this is the time the place for the meeting of the board of appeals of the city of holland we are here to respond to application for construction zoning variances and or special exceptions housing and the infrastructure of this board must try to interpret each application as it relates to city ordinances this board is not empowered to rezone or take any action that could be considered rezoning variances must meet for crucial test in order to be granted those of your who are here for the variance have already answered questions about the tests on your application we'll be asking you about those answers again tonight this is the procedure we follow and we ask that you come to the microphone to speak and state your name and address we will hear the f b i first and anyone supporting the application and then anyone in opposition to it typically we hold the public hearing and application and deliberate and decide on the application before moving on to the next step occasion you are welcome to stay for the deliberations but there is no opportunity for further public comment if you elect not to stay for a deliberation and decision you may call the city clerk's office after eight thirty tomorrow morning to learn the results will hear the applications in the following order construction zone and housing dangerous structures so will you please read the first application of west michigan on behalf of holland usa is requesting a variance in connection with the construction of a fence at four thirty west eighteenth street this fence would be eight foot tall where a maximum of four feet is really is permitted in front yards and side yard adjoining a side street a eight foot high black vinyl chain link fence along the edge of the employee parking lot and then time back into the building i don't get can you all see the screen that we can see down here unfortunately can't i do i do have a map where i've highlighted if you want me to distribute a part of me ok i believe there's a microphone over there as well if you need to talk while point out the map ok along the excuse me along the sidewalk and then our first gate opening we have a twenty two foot sliding gate with a gate operator will have a card reader out along the edge of the driveway so that the  vehicle can enter we have a stretch of fence between the two driveways we have our second gate opening which will also be electrically operated that one will not have a card swipe or anything from the outside but from the inside with a loop they'll pull up on a loop the gate will open and level exit the property then will continue down along eighteenth down into this treaty area this looks a little more treed than what it is right now but this crossed eighteen to all be ornamental then coming down here i don't know that homestead but it's not a long homestead it's approximately forty six feet off the edge of the parking lot which gives this area to plow snow into with the black vinyl chainlink coming down to the near edge of the parking lot across the back of the parking lot down along homestead and then along the sure that be the west side there of the parking lot we have another manual at our electrically operated gate on the back side ima come down and tie into the building and that would be all eight foot high black manal chain link in those areas with your for i go back to the it is a looks like this one here through two rails at the top ours will have a two rails at the bottom also but it isn't ornamental it's a flat top fence for rail flat top what they call  that one inch pickets heavy duty industrial grade we think it's a real nice look for the you know for the property there i do have a shop drawings and specifications if you're interested in seeing it i can leave that with you if you're an armed robbery take place in a property with one of their employees involving a non s a s holland employee august twenty fourth two thousand and twelve a drunken man walked through the facility and tried to insult salty employee inside the property multiple cars have been vandalized in the parking lots and people being got caught going through cars in the parking lot motorcycle was stolen from one of the employees from the employee parking lot constant flow of nine s a f employees travelling through the employee lot on foot bikes vehicles and other race and even racing mopeds two female employees leaving at night witnessed  drunken man stalling through the park and that not a concern they called the they notified the police many employees don't necessarily feel safe when they're leaving the property on second shift in the evening which they do do operate three shifts  hour and are operating twenty four hours a day there is a steady flow of kids get gathering in the employee picnic table area on the west side of the building they have met with i know mark has directly mark's met with the police several times and they've recommended that they put up the no trespassing signs on the property which i believe mark you have done correct and the police had informed them also that they would can they would try to increase their patrols which like a lot of things happen for a period of time and then if they don't get any calls for a while the kind of fall back a little bit they drop off a little bit and i know i'm not trying to slam the police by any means i know they're very busy so and actually one individual is also caught in the employee lunchroom just wandered in off the street probably one of the employees opened a door snuck in behind him and they were in there stating he was trying to cool off in the summer in the air conditioned facility in the other reason for the or for the variance and part of the issue with the employee parking lot was a lot of these problems have increased dramatically since the king's cove party store moved in across the street they've had a lot more activity of people walking through the property cutting through the property the only other piece of information that i i have is was in an audit was done by citizens insurance who was insurance company i don't believe they currently are and i think this audit was done last year by not is that correct though gary smith was the last for a function manager who did the audit and it was recommended by citizens insurance that they would to fence off the employee parking lot for number one for for employee safety in and also for liability purposes with the amount of traffic that they're getting cutting through the property going to and from the the new party store cross which i think has been open year and a half to three years ok and it's increased you know as the story's been there longer so any questions thank you yeah one question is there going to be an entrance into the parking off of homestead there or nt what would that be the westernmost parking area there that vertical line for this to the left on the paper there's not anticipated to be a gate no no i'm not going there there is a gate here i  for or against i'm going to go ahead and close the public hearing and open up the deliberation amongst the board i'm ready to make a motion mr chairman motion by box i move we approve davis i believe that the they've met all of the requirements that are here the requirement or the need for the variance is due to some unique circumstances or the physical condition of the lot the fact that it's that it faces streets on all sides it's  got all front yards the need for the variance was not the result of the actions of the property owner or current property owners property has always been this way and it seems that due to some of the changing nature of the neighborhood it's increased the need for for this type of thing for him it was not caused by them but but by the property and by the condition other conditions in the neighborhood strict compliance of the regulations governing the area specifically the fact that they'd only be a lot of a four foot fence would not serve purpose that they would need i think a four foot fence would still allow people to come and go in and out of that employee parking lot fairly freely maybe a little bit more difficult with a little more difficulty than they have now but certainly wouldn't be enough to to prevent the kinds of activities that are going on and i do believe this is the minimum variance necessary they're not they're not looking at putting a solid fence or a solid brick wall through there it looks like they've done a nice job in choosing something that fairly aesthetically pleasing and and probably won't be too much of  a burden any of the adjoining property owners which i think covers our last our last issue there as well any conditions with the statics of the fence very as as long as they're doing what they what they have proposed to us i think that that's just fine motion passes thank you you please read the next step cation veronica roun eleven eighty five beach drive is requesting a special exception and or variance in conjunction with the construction of a new attach garage an entryway at a lot and eighty five beach drive the east wall of the new addition will be six feet from the property line which is equal to the south edge of the existing house but where seven feet is required in addition t that mr box is been recused from this and he will rejoin us after this yes i will chair you need to do a vote on this a motion and make a motion  five beach dr holland michigan thank you ok first of all like to thank you for the opportunity to present tonight i appreciate your time you have a few of these documents probably in front of you but the first one that i'm i'm going to refer to is a city document and the only reason i'm bringing bring this to your attention is to kind of show you the character of the neighborhood which are you all able to see this ok we live in the central park neighborhood the north side of this here is represents like me our property yeah our property is eleven eighty five which you can see right here in the middle currently we have a small home on this property which is about one thousand eight hundred square feet and we have a one stall garage here as you can see the properties are very erratic as they is far as the setbacks go and i'm sure you're all familiar with the character of this this particular neighborhood the next document apologize for my lack of artistic ability here but this is a bird's eye view kind of on the same document of what we're proposing for in addition you can see here where the once tall garages were proposing a two star garage in the same place with an l shaped addition to the current house this right here is left open because there's a window at the house which is the only window to the kitchen so we left a little courtyard there this is a one story proposed addition that will add a laundry room a second bathroom and a small sitting room we're proposing the two car car garage is where the one car garage currently sits on the property and there you'll see here the al shaped addition that goes into the current house again this is a one story not a two stor addition proposal in the last sheet here is the rendition of what it would look like from the street so back to this particular view i want to explain the variances that we're asking for so if you see here on the west i'm sorry on the east side of our home it actually sits six feet off of the property line when we make our addition we would like to line it up with the current house rather than bump it over a foot which is  the the law or the rule is seven feet so we're asking for a variance here on the east side where we just continue to line it up with the house at the six foot off of the property line we've spoken to our neighbor to the east and she's ok with that there's also a nice line of trees there so this addition isn't going to  address the special exception call for a vote and then address the variance and then vote on that as well as opposed to bundle and together if that's ok ok would you like me to well there's two there's two parts i understood your application and one's the variance and one is a special exception so rather than going back and forth on both of them and then lumping both of those votes together which we can't do we have to follow them separately anyway let's just handle the special exception since you brought it up we'll bring that to a vote and then we'll proceed from there ok you can refer to the questions on the second page if your hand out that if the tests for the special exception does anyone have any questions for the app can at this time sits you know six or seven feet off of this particular property line here and you can see in here it shows the house the house being right on the property line which isn't correct so of focus one that we're looking at right now it shows basically zero setback whereas the reality is it's i don't know several feet that the document that's provided by the city showing those property lines is taken from an aerial photograph so they don't purport to be exactly accurate they're within two to three feet taller an we do have a copy of the survey it does show the accurate measurements ok thank you cindy is there any issue with that as pertains to this ok so we're good there thank  you i'm going to continue i'm going to ask is there anyone here else here in support of the application if there's anyone here to speak in opposition of the application if there's nobody here to speak in support or opposition to this particular variants i'm going to close the public hearing in which point would be no time to speak i think we need to address me and do you want to do you want to  speak i just feel i'm doris when gart eleven eighty three beach drive thank first house ok if you notice these are all forty foot lots they are not even close to what it is like foot from the property line so so one one question on that then you're going to continue along the line of that side of the house yes ok and you want to just flush yes the existing one stall garage disappears or is incorporated in the new structure it disappears because as you can see it actually sets closer that it was property or it was the reason i asked  and so the new structure because you can see the house is a little slanted on the property it will actually be farther away from her property line ok you have any issues with that and you know as long as they do  ok we're going to i'm going to close the public hearing right now and this is for the special exception on the side yard anyone from the board have any comments the first question that the the addition from the existing house towards beach drive would be in line with the existing set back from the line it will be conforming in use it is in the side yard it would be in character with the existing neighborhood and i would condition this complying with the building code so the reason we want to keep the garage there is because we feel like the you know this edition with the garage there is the least creates the least impact visually on the lowest footprint for this property the addition is in a small area so it's there's only thirty feet between the house and the garage and twenty five you know it's twenty five feet wide so moving the garage back towards the house if we were required to do that does two things one it you know it makes our and addition which is already pretty small you know basically not worth doing and it also encroaches upon the house depending on what the step back is required right now that garage sits eleven feet off of the street which isn't in line with anything else in the neighborhood but nothing in the neighborhood is in line with anything else in the neighborhood so it basically keeps the garage right where it is and build back towards the house as you can see we do have an open area to the side of our house  this is an open view to lake nerka tower which is enjoyed by our neighbors at eleven ninety and eleven ninety four and eleven eighty four across the street we really don't want to build a garage in our side yard which we you know could do with the right you know with the proper set backs because we have the space there to do that but it's one of the only open areas and people enjoy walking by and seeing the lake and it would really close that off a second reason why we don't want to build in the side yard if we have to historical sycamore trees i don't know if any of us familiar with the property but i do have a photo and again i apologize because my my daughter used up all of my black and so the photos a little bit yellow i took a photo of the tree it's a magnificent tree it has a fourteen foot circumference and it sits in the side yard which could put where you could put any type type of a structure could potentially damage this tree and we really would like to stay away i'd actually had  builder come out and measure dimensions in the side yard and to build a garage it would get within ten foot of ten feet of this tree and he said you know that's gets to be dangerous so we really want to preserve that tree we want to preserve the side yard of view and again bringing the garage closer to the house would just not allow us to put the addition and we need for that additional space in looking at the survey can you confirm that that is a separate law not a not a task these are separate lots and not one piece of property or is that are these all considered one piece the lot of the lot i guess would be the lot to the so that kind of ends the explanation are there any questions on why we want to do what we want to do or so what would be the impact of having  a fifteen foot setback from from the property line as opposed to the eleven foot that you're asking you we're talking four feet here help me understand why that's not feasible  it it's not i mean it could be feasible i guess you know it takes when you're dealing with a thirty foot edition it just makes it hard to put in what we want to put in i want to be sure that you know the fifteen foot i'm not sure where that number comes from i think that the neighbors arse are set off more than that but i'm not sure drawing we do not have number or so but that's the right number but the the required setback would be in line with the existing one in house on the drawing whatever that measurement would be and we estimated it to be approximately fifteen feet now fifteen feet is is like you said it's only four feet but if that fifteen turned into act in actuality of eighteen then we you know it really does make you make it make us on able to do what we want to do and in that case you know we would try to i guess i don't know what we do we put a we put  probably try to get the garage on the side yard but we really don't want to a space again from the side between the house and the garage where we would build a one story addition you can see the trees you know behind it and then the let the last photo here is of the street scape of our yard or our our particular street this is looking west our garage sits behind you know it sits right in here behind these trees so it's kind of hidden back there anyway this  d's this is when gardeners garage and you can see that there's you know basically a lot of variance when it comes to the setbacks thank you i do have some questions ok as part of a variance application we have five standards that we have to meet in the application in the application material that you filled out those five standards or list but i don't believe you filled them out oh i wasn't aware of them was an extra zero if there was an x through it that means that's the way they gave it to me i didn't look at the extra pages if you don't mind we can go through those sure i'd be very happy to go ok the first one is explain why the request of variance is due to the unique unique circumstances or conditions of your property such as narrowness shallowness shape of water topography and it's not due to the personal economic difficulty so i believe you know it is due to the nature of the property one being moving the garage back encroaches on the house because of the setback of the house you know secondly putting it in the side yard ruins the neighbor's view essentially across the street it also potentially damages the sycamore tree you know when it does  it it has more impact on the character of the neighborhood than keeping the garage right where it is ok the next one is explain why the need for the variance is not self created for example not the result of actions of the current or the previous owner well because the garage already sits there so i mean this is the way the property was when i bought it  know the garage is where it is the house is where it is so you know we have to work with what we have there with it with the garage in the house and the space in between ok and the third one is we'll strict compliance with the regulations regulations governing area set back frontage height of the ball density or other dimensional requirements and recently prevent you from using a property for the permitted purpose or will strict compliance make conformity with these regulations unnecessarily burdensome yet if we were to be strictly compliant and i'm not sure what the compliance means if that's the fifteen feet  you know i mean i guess like i said before if we were guaranteed that this was fifteen feet you know i feel like we could do it if it if it turned into more than that and i don't know if we know for sure what that number is we wouldn't be able to do the garage in the addition right there and so that would make us do the addition but then do the garage and the side yard and the hardship on that is is you know the neighborhood  would you feel comfortable with it being in line whatever that number is that property that fifteen i don't think we know for sure if if the applicant could make fifteen work in fifteen is a good faith estimate on part of city would the board be interested in granting the variance at fifteen to guarantee the applicant would get fifteen you know and they could go fifty the closer of fifteen or the current setback whatever that is i'd be amenable to  that the next standard is when why the variance that you request is the minimum really really necessary to do substantial justin's to both you and other property owners in the district and i think you know we want the garage to stay where it is because you know that's where it's always been it doesn't obstruct anybody's view there's literally a driveway across from it so there's when we build the two stall nobody's going to be none of the neighbors the character of the neighborhood is not going to be affected at all where is it would be if it were if we had to move it to the side yard this next one might be kind of somewhere explain why the variance will not cause an adverse impact on surrounding properties property values or the use enjoyment of properties in the neighborhood or zone industry yeah i mean it is similar we really took into account you know keeping the character of the neighborhood you know we plan on making the addition in line with our house which is a cedar shake house it's going to look very nice it's going to probably increase property values because it'll increase the value of the house and we you know we did it streamlined again so that we don't have to break ground on our side yard to affect the neighborhood and those historical concerned about is that our street just twenty three foot wide our neighbor's house across the street is on the street so when we our property line is right right there now my graduate is i believe twenty foot off the road we have very very problem with parking in our area and it would be nice if there graduates far enough back that they could park a car in front of the garage right now there's not room for them do they currently park on the side of the road if you park on the side of the road you really can't get through because it's only twenty three foot wide the neighbor's house is on the street and they have at least six or seven foot of ground bushes trees and so on so the street is really like fifteen foot wide so if you park on the street it is a can park a car off the road in front of my where if you allow them to do where they are you have a question i was going to ask cindy what's the requirement for a street parking in a residential one parking space per gallon unit and the garage is considered a parking space ok so this is one dwelling unit on it so there would be requirement was that the city requirement for each house is to have one parking spot that parking spot can be inside the garage still count and so today they have a garage yes so so they've got the one parking spot it's inside the garage what they're proposing here is to make that a two skull garage and have two parking spots both of them inside the garage so what happens if they have company  thank you is there anyone else here to speak in opposition if i'm going to close the public hearing open up for internal debate or discussion anyone have any comments or would anyone like to make a motion well cindy do we have the ability in short order to determine what the existing setback is on that side of the street we do not know that without a survey from their property owner all came we don't have a curb current one of those ok fifteen feet or in line for the house down the street that would set the set back so we know whether we need fifteen feet or or what that is we'd need a to you know eliminate that need entirely ok so it does look like on the survey that garages single with the road still that the distance i suppose with the addition would be less than the existing order of the existing drawing proposed that i have for the proposal is showing the new garage at a live in feet and the existing garage eleven feet on one side and eleven feet six inches on the other side so they add on to that it's actually going to be off the road for the eleven foot at this point the in that location just exactly where the existing garage is right there just making a little bit wider to make it to stall but the existing structure doesn't get any closer to the having difficulty with this application because of the amount of room on the property and not seen in meeting some of the standards i don't know if neighbors  views make unnecessarily burdensome follow the well i guess when i survey this just the overall neighborhood the entire set up is disjointed i mean it's set back requirements aren't necessarily met the roads are narrow but as it applies to this particular situation taking into account what they want to do it doesn't necessarily it's flush with where they want to be right now but if i'm hearing you straight you would want them to move more into their court yard or even into the side yard but i think they have the property in the means to meet ordinance now taking the neighborhood into you mean like when we do the inspection to see if they're in compliance yeah you know what we go out to the street and we stand on the corner and look down the street or another wrench in there i believe that the ordinance provides the garage next door means to me stablish a front yard setback because their front yard is designed defined by just a building whereas a rear yard is defined to the building minus success or rebuilding i don't have that ordinance language in front of me but i did have quite a long discussion with our building inspector on that and it does speak about to the house not to an accessory building forty percent or more of on the front edge of on one side of the expressed that they were able to meet the ordinance with the property that they have and meet the setbacks that are required under the ordinance so that i don't having unique circumstances to their property it's actually quite a large lot for the area you know and has luxuries other ones don't and further add that the need is would be self create yes used yes and we're no yes motion passes for yes one no to deny to deny thank prevail over the setback there as defined by the ordinance for a front yard would be measured directly from any building to the front property line thank you line of the building and the steps and close porches in the street line and extending for the full with across a lot it was not for a loss and as opposed to really ours is a space and i can find except by an excess rebuilding so you davis i'll support it why  we're in yes motion passes ok we're going to close this portion of the appeals rezoning and we're going to open up the portion for dangerous structure and housing board will do the housing application next put an appeal was submitted for two hundred dollars that compliance fee and definition of workmanlike manner for exterior siding repair request exact determination of what needs to and can be done to an income plan to be in compliance thank you is there an applicant here  my name is dorothy pre i own the property at two eighty six west fourteenth and yes i'm here on two things the first is the noncompliance fee i submitted a copy of the letter in the packet i assume we had the packet and i'll just bring this up right now we are not allowed to or we cannot address the fee so that's something you have to take up the city manager we can't go and reversing that f that appeal would be to the city manager to be the city manager ok i was not aware that ok then i'll take that up with them so that i'm here about the sighting at this property to give you a little history of the back in the summer a disgruntled tenet that i was a victim had complained about their apartment that brought the city out there to do an inspection on that apartment it was then noted that there was some exterior work that need to be done and then at that time the city realized that it should be up for its three year spec ssion so they had told me shortly there after they said there'd be a three year inspection and at the next year work would be moved to that inspection and put on that list so that inspection happened in october and at that time there was a list of different things that need to be done on the exterior i then met and trish out there to figure out exactly what needed to be done to the exterior made a list and i did have ever get everything done by november and also in october they had told me that i could have until may to get the work done but i volunteered to get the work done by no november inspection which i did  and but that was not done more things were found or wasn't done to what they had expected or what what i they had told me to do i did and then that was good enough and so if i could maybe go over here and show have so this is the front of the property and as you can see the it's this is all original this has been the way since i purchased a property of brick you have vertical siding and then you have horizontal ashfall siding all the front has been painted except of course asphalt siding the sides east and west side and the back has all been painted as requested some loose boards had been nailed down there are some boards on the back that were going the opposite direction that was all fixed their window sills that were rotted that i was told they could would party and instead i chose to take that what out and replace them and in the in the back of the property there was some siding missing missing here and just kind of jaded and i was told that i could square that up and it was fine if it was different how the window over here is different i just needed to square that up and paint the wood there original siding below so i did i did do all that before the november inspection and then at the november inspection trisha came out took pictures of all this and said that wasn't that was not done properly that that couldn't be that way because now we've got a different type of siding and also then pointed out there's areas of siding where some of the top coating has come off and so all that has to be replaced so now where the problem comes in is when we looked at the idea was to remove the siding here square this up and remove all the siding here and move it around to the street side and replace these with that so we'd have the good siding because part of the reason too is that i was told i could not use new like siding to replace the bad parts here because it would look too new so that idea was rejected as is the idea to remove old siding from this side paint all the original siding below it and then this therefore because it's older would match the siding on this side and put that over there and i was told that that would not work either so i had i don't know exactly how to fix this i have several properties in holland and all of them over the years i have put on vinyl siding i have specifically chosen not to side this one because of as you can see it it's right along the sidewalk here that gets hit with graffiti often the holes going i don't know of bikes or hitting or what's happening and then on the other side there's a drive there and so for me to spend over ten thousand dollars aside this building doesn't make any sense because i'm always going to be going back to these two sides especially the sidewalk side and having to replace a vinyl siding or for gets hit with then i've got to paint the siding which makes no sense either so i don't know if i can't fix one side with siding from the other side and i can't use new siding then basically i'm being told that i have to re side the whole building like there's a building across the street where they've done that you can see that they've already had to repaint that siding because of graffiti and so i don't know how i would prefer not to have to side the whole building i don't how i can be forced into having decide the whole building again it's going to be expensive repairs along the sidewalk here and so i'm looking to find out why i can't repair the existing siding that's there and why i'm being asked to resize the whole building and i just want to get some input and clarity so i'm not because i've already spent money going to get everything repainted and doing all this work and then told that it's not good enough so i want to know upfront what i can do that's going to pass so i'm not going to have to keep redoing things and being told that well there are always going to find something wrong with this building and it is an older building i believe it was probably a storefront as one time but so i'm looking for input and direction on what what i can do and that's not going to cost me over ten thousand dollars to do this thank you so many questions for the applicant from the boar if not i'm a close the public hearing or do any commentary i took it upon myself to look up in the international property maintenance code the definition of workman like that may be of some assistance to the applicant under section two to go to work in light of workman like is defined as executed in a skilled manner for example generally plumb level square in line undamaged in without marring adjacent work the the pictures that i'm seeing of of this don't look like they fall into that category to me i guess that it's i don't know whether it's within this board's board's power to to give her plans on what it is that she needs to do but that's i think a good example of a definition that needs to be followed to be working and it's my understanding that the definition you just read was really the appears it's been deliberated on by several professional this is this is the international property made in its code which is my understanding the genesis of of most building building codes yes thank you and you want also have any comments with regard to this well i don't think it's in the board's purview to tell them exactly what they have to do fortune or are unfortunate we make a determination whether or not it's workman like we don't tell them exactly what to do  so i believe what she was asking is for so exact specifications and i don't know that cost is something that is relevant to the decisions that we make  the options that the applicant presented moving tiles around in or taking the tiles off and painting what's underneath maybe viable options  if those tiles can be moved i'm not an expert or a professional to do something in a workman matter unfortunately so those may very well be the options i don't know the that something for professionally i would think to make the is for the two hundred dollar noncompliance fee which we do not have the authority to do and the other is appealing the definition of workman like it which i guess i'm in awe of her appeal to change the definition of work unlike your authority is in your  hand and the housing field says the authority in jurisdiction to amend affirm or reverse the interpretation of the enforcement officer or grant of variance from any requirement or prove  alternate pozole that will satisfy i don't know that we've received an alternate proposal so you're sticking with number one for amend or reverse the interpretation of the enforcement officer thank you i move we affirm the this be called by a voice vote no this is  osman are dangerous hearing structures officer mr martin determined that the property at one twenty fo of seventeenth street was a dangerous structure under state statute the next step for the applicant due process rights is to come before this board and ask for you to hear his case so once again your decision on this issue will be to either affirm the the solution of the hearing officer which was to make repairs and clean up the property on the exterior modify it if you think it needs to be modified or overturn it if you think it needs to be reversed thank you would there be the property owner here to speak on behalf of property owner was notified of this hearing tonight and i do not see him here in the light ok is there anyone here to speak in support of the city of holmes letter and recommendation to uphold the original order is there anyone here to speak in opposition if not i'm going to close the public hearing and open up for deliberation amongst the board i'm ready to make a motion to affirm the decision of the enforcing officer motion by box to can we go straight to vote ye thank you and are there any other matters for us i do not believe so like to prove the minutes from the last meeting i was not here