doing going to counts jeff can you explain why and what we are looking for so those those of us who are looking at this a do this step and get handed not yeah i think i don't a ten percent collection shortfall we'll turn this around indeed as you can see that we have agreements in place for everything before the october billing we're working on how does it compare just if you know two you know past borders i say that we've probably never ran more than ten for any length of time and looking at the agreement proposed is there proposed by us by them or a combination right now the river is been as been hired to manage this and she's got the timeframes of already been approved by the board here are new delinquents as of december thirty first ok from from the october billing yes ok so it's a week or two over do you want it when it was right lot of these amounts or are pretty sizable and if people don't continue to pay on agreements or don't sign agreements we'll be left with no choice and these amounts are not one quarter i can issue but there are probably as many that are all right so that's a good question to sort this out i realize it would be more work but just pose the question if we could in this spreadsheet say which quarter does it represent how many is it one two three or more yeah that's kind of what how would how we'd like it kind of maybe it laid out a little differently trying to get an idea of you know less ninety days past year more than ninety days more than a year and you know kind of ideas about that and and i think what it would also be useful for both us and the user would be how much of it is is interest penalties which i think it's because really folks don't it's not not significant right it's just it's it's past due and then i would i would also want to know the agreement that's in place that's fine but when was it made in place and when was the last payment made which it seems like there's only three people or poor people who have made me miss i'll stick my neck out see the public meeting i mean you're basically leasing or as you s handled in a way that made sense for the community and the process that the v p went through we did office several times come to the point of shut off but it was it was a few people and w of risk redistribution there but some point when i would suggest that is that we go back to everybody here and say look this is we have done multiple rounds of this we understand where but it's coming from this is the best we can come up with we're united behind the solution and then we start but if we start cutting people off now when they don't even know what's coming you know i mean if for some people have been do you think that there will be going it where's the agreement going forward is partially dependent on what you think your bill going forward is going to be and we've heard from from at least one person on this list already that that th composition of what they will be paying in the future and what they have to pay any agreements with and then you know for now that may be the case but right now we don't really know what it is that they're going to be paying for because that's  tardy and i'll get to the end so that's two lives i think there's two remaining groups folks who are behind and could make an agreement based on future rates and could keep it up i suspect there is some and so we are going to see how we get to that group to say is that two people or is that twenty what's her schedule of notices moving forward jeff do you know offhand we don't have one for th it that's inappropriate given given where we are i'm not saying it's inappropriate to shut people off saying that it's inappropriate and today right will they have to be given the opportunity to work out  result in you going down to one because it's one unit it may result in a perfect thousand guns we have we have essentially three options that we're going to consider one of them is the current one of them is counting units and the other would be to go on a per that you really should think about putting in two or three percent increase every year because mostly because all that extra money is going to savings would reduce your future costs i'm not looking for increases in the operating budget and looking that this fear but i will speak up for the significant number of folks on the system that did not see significant increases and have been paying their bills as expected and it is our drawn to mean it's the system for one term talking about exactly what we can yeah i mean if we look back at the past fifteen years it seems like every five years there's been a significant increase in the rates and to me that's untenable i mean look at the the ninety ninety nine there was a significant and fifty some odd percent increase in rates but this is the thing that i bring up is that we have to remember we didn't just increase the rates we did  next two weeks right chris that that will have something that i can we can go individually to folks great that i can talk individual to folks to see what your feedback is yes yeah yeah well hopefully we'll have to be ready by next open and what we do with that if this continues will be will be the topic of future meetings because because there may be an opportunity of return that that benefit to the to the part to the  we are still in good shape because we are into separating if we take the overall budget of roughly seven hundred twenty thousand dollars and take out one hundred thousand we were looking at six hundred twenty and we were at roughly three hundred twenty thousand so we were we are a little over fifty percent halfway through so so that's again that's good that means we've we've we're doing we're doing what we need to do  and again if sector continues in this in this way we will we will have a very good conversation to have about what to do with the excess and we can start thinking about ideas and we've got some sure kend has some but and i'm sure jeff has some but i think we should be thinking about what what what what kind of policy we would we would have with with excess but this would we wouldn't make a decision on this  not currently member of the district here but they did put a clause in the contract that the district's looking at biomedicine gasification if any of that technology becomes available or an option a better things that policy wise were things that maybe warranted subcommittees because they were just too big for us to work on them and i work every day you know every other week and so so the question is who would be interested a maximum of two water commission members plus hopefully a couple of folks from the public good but it is hard to know yeah ok i hear what you're saying i just hate kicking the can down the road i think my feeling so much of one has happened in this commission has just been kicking the can down the road well i mean it's not  don't think we can do oh all of those things by march so i thought we should focus on rates first to get that figured out and then mission march and then stuff i think it's it could be possible to set the stage for the other two items the first being i think of the ordinances and policy sort of big group of guiding how we do things  ten years handwritten intellectuals it's crazy it's crazy so if we just put those kind of if we put water sewer trying to kind of together like volume one volume two and just start looking at it maybe highlight some of the things that will going to be a representative from the slack board be somebody who's also in the water system like this is really great we have we have the majority of the people on the board our water system users and i'd like to keep that going because i think it i think it's appropriate to happen that way s that well that c l pull up which should be ditched that may not be the best it may not be useful to use that was because they were specific to the situation that we were dealing with at the time which is why did my rates go up i think we've bigger picture questions seven units down ok excellent so really so barbie you and i we could kind of camera out with a list of questions is and they'd start at that goes through t to i think resolve the real issue you know due diligence the well and having as we talked about the last meeting i think you know we'd like to have some recommendations but i think we'd like to have it at the end of all water and sewer can you needing to put it to put it to the users and setting what do you think and that's not going to happen until at least april maybe early may i mean we can have an idea of what we're proposing for two meeting but i don't wan drafters the next meeting and and maybe we're going to have to finalize that outside of the meeting or not obviously we can't confirm or about it but but i'd like to have it because we need to have an informational meeting in the tank and as i was asking john before is do we want to have a separate informational meeting for the time to we want to have it is part of our regularly scheduled meeting because so you can either do it all on them what they're doing or you can hold you know differently trying to get so the change they were looking for is the latest we can have it is march third which is the monday before town meeting and the earliest we can have it would be thursday the twentieth or something around there is going to be saying so essentially the week of the twenty fourth february twenty fourth twenty fifth twenty six twenty seven would be the week to have a separate if we were going to have it informational meeting or we have it on march thirtieth the day before a town meeting oh that would have occurred earlier ok yeah instead of the night before it would be the seventeenth which would be too early or the third which may be too i think it's too late twenty four of the twenty fourth would be would be a monday  that were i would i would can we do that public somebody new that actually has those of the caliber that second second any further discussion so so that's so the water commission is going to be there at six because monday is a holiday it's monday the holiday and it's president's day so tuesday the eighteenth so we can plan to talk about it that ok so that will be an agenda item so bruce you can have you can have half an hour well if you need less but we still have to do we still have to get through seven superintendents report financials etc etc big half an hours you know well they're providing the funding for the project so if anything an afternoon kathleen has been helping us a lot as has jeff in terms of steering committee i want to just give you a really quick over date on the update on the project i think you've had to mess with the you're setting a package i want to just briefly explain what they were how we got to that point and where we stand at the moment we started project by looking very closely at a lot of existing conditions making sure we understood the area  very closely we had a public works session on that we then had a working group with our steering committee and the consultants to think about as many different ways to try to get from the village area right here to the park we developed in terms of how we get from this area to that area including going down the road going next they were on road on one side of the other side going to the fields actually going along at the right outside edge of the interstate over here and interconnections all the way through so we thought of as many different things as possible i venture lean we'd narrow this down to about four or five different alternatives we had another public work session those alternatives and came up with a preferred on line and as well as a few other recommendations so the second figure is actually the preferred line and that came out of the other group session the stereo committee agreed with that there were a few challenges with that and we started to address those challenges along with the what the path is first and then take some of the recommendations and then tell you what's happened since we've gone through this the path starts tunneled under the reverend at the one spot where a tunnel could actually go right right before you get into the village the river and science and then comes up through a shared response that is along the edge of the railroad squeezes in between the railroad and route to the part right and then it continues and wraps around the interstate exit ramp so the unite actually crossing the road in place there was enough room to get underneath the interstate and then sort of in a big switch back come back around and get up to the intersection one seventeen and as a link on that after you come to the tunnel here in discussions with everybody in the public work session they felt that we should actually extend the sidewalk system down that hill and we initially weren't quite sure if that would work but they all said hey it would be a good welcome to show the welcoming have and this sidewalk or an extended shared use path to go if you're away from row two it provides a much better experience for a wider range of users so that it's not only serving people who want to get out of the park and ride but it actually could be used as a loop coming back here and bring that down along the trail the other way you're beginning to create a recreation facility as well the transportation facility in that case we also knew that we needed to get permission from the landowners because we're no longer the river here so we had three different landowners we had to talk to so at the meeting they said well if we can't get that to happen our second best choice would be to basically get five foot bicycle lanes and route two itself would be what we have our fallback position as a drink or the whiting they're already planning to  get to these three for a consistent shoulder and we pushed every five in addition to that we're looking at trying to both the speed limits so that it's consistently forty miles an hour without that stretch of fifty miles an hour in there and also looking at to see if it works we met with all three of the landowners in one marriage and i can say that they were all gung ho yes going to do it but none of them said no i'm going to set it looks like it's reasonable it's at the edge is their property at least explored further we're not going to say no now we reserve the right to say no in the future as the details come in but for now go ahead that this is great is that we go here because we talked to the railroad and they said the tunnel  maybe we could talk about that because again you go under it doesn't disturb the railroad the problem they had with this section right here they don't want their payout next t  we met after we regrouped we went actually talked to a second time they said no you can't do this so at this point this particular alignment probably is not the steering committee said it's a good fall that position but they weren't ready to take it yet so they said why don't we go back one more time now we know that we really want to here is going to work and reexamine are other alternatives one more time knowing that one of these is now gone that we can't do it does that change things or is there something that we missed that we didn't get before we go to the five foot plane the printer reason for doing that is that a five hundred million is very good for the commuters but the goal is if you're going to put all this effort into this you want to serve the widest number of users so basically they're trying to make  for bicyclists and walkers of all ages and abilities and five foot lanes along a road doesn't do that because a lot of parents put their kids go on a road to and read along the edge of the road a lot of older citizens may not feel comfortable riding along the edge of the road there where they're comfortable in a shared use pack that's why i want to go back and look at this one more time before we go to the fallback position it's going to take a little bit of extra effort to go back and revisit all these things and start to do more which extends actually probably across russia to and into almost parts of the cemetery so that we still have to go back to the river again we're hoping that if we're on the other side of route two they won't have a problem with us being in the right but there's no guarantees thinking does this make sense so that that's really stand at the moment and before me we finish up our representation one of the things i would suggest is that basically you need to have a speed study done if you're trying to get a reduction in the speed and the speed limit is the speed study sort of looks at how fast vehicles are travelling the speed limit sort of on that they're looking at the paving and upgrading road too so i would strongly suggest even as we're looking at this the select board may want to start at speeds that in now christi trance because as you all know traffic is not moving really fast and rather to right now because of the condition as soon as they believe that you speed state of the window in terms of trying to support a lower s so you may want to make a formal request to be trans even as before we finish this for that one thing so you can move ahead with that take advantage of the condition of the road now to see whether they're willing to little bit about the funding if you know everything aligns and you have a good plan the funding crunch i will share that with brian in terms of responses but one of things that we do when we're done as part of  especially if you say fine so you can make it a loop we're finding health care companies are beginning to support active lifestyles so there's they're there for supporting actual physical your physical projects some trail companies some by companies or have grants for construction so we try to find as many things as possible to list them some of them a few only available from here so it's always chang g you know new personnel to to enforce a code of respect and they were not successful at that point so the suspended the energy star requirement and and but kept their eye on it and that you can measure from and to provide education to builders has to why certain measures are in place and when when you're building a new home in many many measures many many of the many applications on it's the only time that you've been in to do a measure that's going to affect the building for the rest of his life you know you're only going to mis line more importantly why you want to comply is it is a really good opportunity and what the code does is it provides motivation for the builders the average builders to learn more about why efficiency matters really important and you can do it too much to the point where you worry about you know back grafting of your your furnace or your clients and and so the like the common wisdom th rule of thumb is well you know if i don't build it too tight then you know that won't be a problem and that's really not the greatness of the right answer is to build a study and then to ventilate it correctly and that's counterintuitive in all and a lot of builders don't know that so it took to my mind a code is a really good thing because it sets a predictable standard that everyone needs to meet it protects the residence you know the future residence of that building that the home is reading and you know a certain minimum standard and if you can get this these additional features where the measure i think that chris was talking about was a lower door tell us that that measures the air house but you know we shouldn't be building new homes that need to be that you know it was so i really support the idea that because it's come up with a of trying to think about how the town can help residents feel more more comfortable and have more affordable houses really the cost of a home well it really hurts to your mortgage the bigger cost of the homes the energy consumption over time that surprising so this is an opportunity i think to to bring up the discussion there's last week and there's lots and lots of detail and i think chris is a tad is not to go through the details tonight or give you a formal there's a wide variety of standards and two houses that look the same and both are equally attractive bathrooms and kitchens cost very different amounts to he provide very different levels of buffer to develop and buyers who are going to say that's going to cost me more money so even though because they're not thinking long term on how that's going to save them how what's your plan to educate everyone so that if this doesn't work instead of taking everything out of richmond  it's a lot of times with these conferences it's it's geeks like what chris and i would go to them and the real cost is trying to get the average builder to get interested in the sales and the code helps you know when it you know it's not that they're in a lot everybody complies with the speed limit but most people do you know most people wear a seat belt and most builders will want to comply with what the law is and they'll be interested in giving him a you know some information on what other programs exist to help them go further i mean it's not great will cost us anything but you know i think our long term interest is for the people who live in that  period of time and if we're not building them well which is causing you know future problems and if you believe in our lifetime we will see that if you don't know that it's wait and develop your own stuff and i think now there's a lot of education to be done but it is again in a way for customers to know whether the house they're buying is built to the standard or not and this is what we're talking about here is isn't certainly not cutting it if it's what i would so you are surely comparing apples and oranges there hans ayers you know there's different levels of code that you're looking at putting it in fact you will drive  comes to just right and i couldn't disagree more in that the there are very large differences in new homes obviously but the cost of making any home more energy  squares in as honor and and continues to be manager and we continue to have our sasha to support and services at home staff on on site to assist residents with care what nation wellness nursing activities property management so so really everything in terms of ownership and management really is saying the same which is that we can actually use the federal housing tax credits we mechanically is hired hud approved the operating budget and the rent most and so every year reviews what the costs are of the rents are and does or does not agree to a minor rent crease so when there's a is questions pilot lucian ship but i would also want to make sure that you know looking at this as a new agreement that would should have good components to provide the kind of protection that we're building and other pilots that this  which case we'll close with them in april and admit them and they'll take out you know square and they'll be the limited partner but they haven't committed yet so it's a complicated portal has not really is i want the federal tax credit which will bring in about five hundred seventy five thousand dollars to this to this property and so it's a very valuable tool and it's really one of the the few federal tools the end of april we're trying to close and everything in april superstar construction and they will really me we have to do the work it's calendar year for the tax credits and so my request is one of our funding sources that one has a conservation board guess and really on behalf of the whole organization you really appreciate the town's commitment to this and for the heads of community and the value of supporting us through the tax agreement it's been great criteria spend official four for the bond bank for its participate to the series two thousand and five they did refund they're looking for permission from all the towns  participated this was our two thousand five fire truck by doing this refunding it's going to save the town all approximately five thousand seven hundred eighty nine dollars and eighty six cents over the remaining term of the bond which so does this other leading test reset any dates or are we still in kind this holding pattern where they were going to hold off on eighteenth he was going to hold up and cementing things until eighteen t is still holding off ok and then they're going if you don't know but i expected something the question uri can sure show the borders of the town of richmond authorized the construction of a replacement water storage tank and correlation improvements with the amount financed through indebtedness not to exceed one million five hundred thousand to be funny still great period not to exceed forty years and paid for with water whatever the name of the water resources department  and then there will be a lot of discussion and needing to have time to explain that it doesn't have to be one point five million it doesn't have to be forty years correct that people have to have we can talk about this in the meetings were i think we should do that and i think we should talk about it at meetings and then make sure that on that that we have everyone aware that you know they should be at that me third meeting i mean march their meeting because it has a conflicting will because of the time frame between when we the latest that we can schedule an informational meeting and earliest and then the conflicts because school vacation is that week we couldn't have one other than the third we couldn't have a separate informational meeting about the tank other than the third but we can have a conversation at the school board me oh absolutely yeah no but the meeting on the third we had recommended starting at six and that would be kind of a joint informational meeting for the tank is we we talk about the tank for at least the first hour until what would be the normal slot for the meeting would start at seven because we recognize that it's other meetings i think bruce bailey's planning to do something at our at our twenty february eighteenth meeting which is a tuesday because the day before president state the city is planning to do that at a regularly scheduled water and sewer commission picture i can ask him if he knows if any of the hydrants along there that road are not operable for reasons other than water supply or freezing no i understand what you're asking and i think it's a because the assumption will be made that's what we're going to spend but that information needs be put out that there are options out there that have not yet been determined like that where we're going to go and what those options are and the whole fire protection thing you know what that means and we don't have it now but we why do we want it that's the question we have answered yes i mean the one point five as is not even worst case scenario it was you know it was taking some engineers estimates and saying ok well in a year or two maybe we go to construction perhaps construction costs mean crease you know i mean that's what it was it wasn't it wasn't this is what we have to spend this is why we have to spend it yeah  marshall's number seventy thousand dollars does the first three hundred fifty feet of service return one has to be run it has to be connected to all the individual radiators for the post office it takes a lot of labor to do this sort of this sort of floor you know this is two weeks ago when i got this price so i put something together a story centrally one vendor did respond last friday but was unable to come in and there was a deadline for c so the contractors only had nine days to consider the offer or the putting in a bi know how much time we dug estimate or need to put something together more than ninety days i guess but we've got two weeks before the next meeting i don't know that the result will be much different just don't we just don't know and we have a solution for it the money is coming out of the maintenance fund which is paid by the dot by the her stop this it's it may not maybe maybe we're going to get a better deal of two thousand dollars i mean or not which it's going to cost to do this but the reality is there's work going on down there right now trying to cordon everybody i don't or similar to where we don't take care of the i mean it's a known issue if we found to be going to water pipe outside we wouldn't wait we would say how it is a government we've had higher than usual legal fees insurance expenses and also some contract expenses related to our c p a are higher than normal most other winds are about where they're going to be the appropriations line is very high because some of the annual commitments have already been paid the same capital outlay we purchased  a proximately fifty percent otherwise on some of these where there are limits that are more than one hundred percent particularly or two hundred or three hundred percent even if there can be some sort of line that shows a forecast like yes we know that we are  hundred percent spent but we are forecasting that we're really only going to be ten percent at the end of the earth something because if it showing that it's you know six hundred percent spent or four hundred percent spam you know if they're going to be something you know they're going to figure out how to get that from somewhere else or some sort of forecasting to the well we're still works in progress is there something else i want to add one thing to it if everybody else agrees it occurred to me that that it would be really useful to the incoming for what it says town should not be expended on everything i think you meant either she added that the resources of the town should not be expended on