that was was down here so that this is the existing logging road that's here it makes a loop all the way around so this is at the other end of it so before we were looking to come in and do something over here i gotcha so this this moves different because yeah you're neutral location was right at the top of the school right yeah sure i mean the road go it's you know there's a bunch of different drainage paths in there but this train it's here would come through a cover under the driveway and  to the issue we always have is there's a difference between the road policy yeah those ranks writes in it's a problem of our town and tonight we're proving hopefully are working towards getting the policy in line so that the new policy yeah so where's a good twelve percent on the green i don't quite understand you're there after two wines on that profile there yeah there's the longer dash one of the great existing great line along the driveway up mistakes ok and then that that the dotted line is a twelve percent but it was not eighteen percent where is it any closer pretty close to that yeah i haven't i didn't measure it exactly but that was roughly what i got but there's nothing they can do about that that's been there for a while and then dream it is your arrows and that then goes to business yeah there's an existing ditch that runs along the road there and there's a and then it crosses over this side of top and then run down the other side understanding i think it's up to this like what's discretion of which policy they kind of look at here that's what i've seen happen in the last years to gray so everything's been a little well what do we want to hear i would ask you this how do the way the policy is heading is to go ten and do twelve or fifty feet if that helps you out that that is the way i lean with your driveway if it's not going to be something that's impossible sets you way back any of those things  approved show and we have we had one in less time or the time before where they wanted to do the short they already had a permit to take a long way around but they wanted to ok ok here is where we stand on this received comments from the planning commission which had real problems with it  provision that we can hire experts and charge them back was buried in the sub her graph five to so paragraph something so i threw a notice up at the top of the apple or near the top of the application process saying don't forget to look at sit around that table that i made of all the instances which are about twenty two i think in which the zoning rick says has to be consistent with the town  the section five point two we say the wreck the problem using the seventy one and the seventy six as they're all recommendations their regulations so we turned in to regulations many drafts ago except the day seventy six says and applies the develop roads anything exceeding seven percent has to be paved unless the slick board determines otherwise well implicitly if we approve of gravel dr reef waive the seven percent heating rule but it could lead to confusion so i've said here skip the a seventy six recommendation for paging grace that exceeds seven percent and c section five point four who says the select board may require the paving of portions of the road exceeding and that changes to seven percent those well is the seven percent is the state standard you know for where the select work can exercise discretion and require paving so i just took that and so you know to avoid me and sub percent eight percent piece of cake one way or the other just put that discretion explicit in five point four ok do you feel that people are going to read this and be like oh my god they're going to want me to pay my driveway because it's nine percent would someone be no no no that's why i put in five point two ok a seventy six recommendations are requirements except except the recommendation for paving grades that exceed seven percent so you're saying it's an exception so don't listen to listen a seventy six except for this right that you're saying here right the i just had to put him develop and grow driveway there yo shit my problem then charlie raised the question about the requirement the drainage facility should be designed to handle runoff from a one percent rainfall event and you'll see this is for development of roads and driveways but it does require a lot of engineering and a lot of people have let's say your house is being built not a it's a flat driveway which you have to prove that your design is  it raises the cost of development a lot yes and it may be since we have the option here of hiring people to opine and if we see something that's cover both here we have to cover both here here's my my view on this having wrestled with charley brought up and i think you're right to bring it up we say in the body of this thing all proposed drainage facilities should be culvert in the first five feet what does it matter if he's on his property his is well that's this i thought about that because a lot of us do our own stuff  c he thought this was going on to their the d r v ter test to screening contractors yards and so on and that wasn't by tented all so what i did was stick in the rest of the words from the state statute which is what six six six five probably i'm just curious why well so i'm still under six five ok then i get to hear special prisons for projects subject to the d r v proceedings you know i felt like this information here went with the application process here my my correct in that the use i see your point that ought to be a fraud yeah it should be like great i want i want to learn this here with this is crazy to do no it's not crazy to do  do you think it's worthwhile well the alternative would be to say just add a sentence there way of already added in the second paragraph of c section six point five point b point ten bill says the easy way to do it yes if you could shoot in there yeah that's right and then they've got a heads up the gone or from the d r b point could just strike the word highway and just called axis permits on page one we say the provisions of this ordinance are to be strictly applied by the under no development review board and waiver or modification can only be greeted by the slack court as provided in this ordinance twenty something times but this just makes it clear that if you're going to come back from the d r p saying you changed that and you need a waiver now from some provision of this i'm always afraid of waivers but i know why people need waivers i mean i understand them but i like this in your situation shall be minor and not come linked with the stated purpose of this ordinance or state laws or rules fiscal reasons or not the basis for a waiver of stange requirements of this ordinance must and then this becomes effective sixty days assuming the petition this becomes effective sixty days from tonight adopted so we have a special interest you don't have to only if there's a doors when that turned out it was or so all we need so again the guys don't need it don't want the red beam but alliance wouldn't remove the red beam without the engineer saying remove the red beam so we just need to get the ok from the engineer to  trail at the same time westford which had some property on its side they declared that a cradle to you had been a class for this two hundred thirty eight feet long that was fu and then a special provision was made to allow two logging companies to use the trail for access to clear logs on the western side and drag them down rep or road the property on the let's see three hundred acres with splendid views you're only two hundred thirty feet from a town and you're a developer the cash register shirts running on the other hand you've got a  and you also have people who in two thousand showed up for a public hearing on declassifying who expressed concern about traffic because you could easily put ten houses up there ok and it's a western we have no control to come in and see us two weeks from tonight and express their views beth demas is a real estate lawyer in burlington and she will be there as she's come to see us before and will have an airing of the city you know you'd have a complete civil engineers journal every publication they would have all pages you know here's here's shoot each work up how do you how do you go about getting these like what your process needs based on the initial tell after town meeting to it we don't hire an engineer now we're saying let's let's look for more engineers you know in a different fashion than we get before so but that gets a little bit of purchasing policy of how much we think th we should do and then do is stanford you want to get all staff input and then i've never been in a place where staff was involved with  we you guys want to go over that you had a meeting for that matter if you want to really have a date meeting next week we have an eight meeting next week after and then we're doing the hearing for the tuesday after that so the next three possibility of writing a letter over bryant's name to todd your opposite number jericho and ask him to forward that letter to the appropriate time officials asking to be kept abreast of the schedule for the traffic study recess hi