corporate cooperation console as well of my family at mccann now and i think it is really ridiculous that she goes with him consider the fact of making this there are always over here and i believe in the hope of the status revise that it is against the law to be going against any here and developments and also on various sites of my family i don't know how you guys would feel if i was to make a huge will telling their families great any case can tell me where your family lives or where your family groups are and states it says  looking through the draft i study that was done in the seventy's as a couple issues i have with this project one is traffic currently that the draft that was done in the seventy's only talked about three g s intersections the resort i don't know if you've ever been to keep a we live in a lot of us living go down south here road or the highway morning or evening especially during high season it's impossible there's no way to fit the number of people that it's  support a forty seven acre resort in mckenna without totally clogging up here and why they are second of all apparently that draft said that there's going to be quote no drainage runoff impacts to the ocean and waters i don't know if any of you spend any time in the water but that is ridiculously untrue i don't know who did that draft only just recently when i was being built and finished i literally watched with my own eyes  through the construction of on us and through the rise in the tourist use of that reef it makes me cry sometimes when i go there now just in the maybe year and a half or two years that that project in during you know construction and completion the reef over there has really taken a beating and that's just one small hotel i've never seen a project owning any of us have ever seen a project on this island that has had no impact on the  definitely going to affect the reef affordable housing is a big issue there's no fordable housing in here we have a major state of emergency homelessness issue and the state of hawaii for affordable housing is an issue that comes up in the council on a daily basis nobody has an answer for it and there's not even a mention of it in this massive project it's not only not affordable but the residences are clearly aimed at people who can't afford it who live on this island there out of reach of even people who can afford marketplace market price housing they are clearly aimed at mostly off islanders who won't pay income taxes to have to support the infrastructure that's needed to support this big resort the built to get there the garbage pick up that kind of stuff if people are going to be paying income taxes to support that stuff i don't see a single benefit to local people or environment coming from this project a single one instead the local people on environment will bear the massive burden of the negative impacts of this project not only now but for generations to come and those impacts are going to be  i think many of us and me personally are asking for not only for a new yes but for unless major improvements in infrastructure and construction technologies are made then there is no way the surrounding environment will show no impact from this project i'm  asking this project to be tonight and to leave macan alone there are a few reefs and natural areas on this island that are that are still the way they should be and this is one of them leave it alone i mean staunch opposition to a we're not good enough to have a house real next to the beach to it seems that that's what this planning commission has been given to this area is this all these the make another area on my exclusive to only members you guys don't wish to be a part of the community i didn't wish to be a part of a community that wish to terrorist for the part  yes i mean opposed to to this project it would definitely affect the future generations of this this i know and the places that we call home  place the beaches that we go to the reefs they get impacted from from all of this all the runoff there goes into they want to look at the whole new look at the hundred when the last time you guys went to the ocean to look at the whole new don't know the whole year i dying with situation of discussion or debate on any side of the commission and also to follow testifiers respect for everybody else we do have a presentation coming up so maybe a lot of things you guys are concerned about will be answer whispering when and i just heard about this meeting this morning on facebook and i understand that the environmental impact statement for this for  a building project in mckenna was done in one thousand seven day which of course should just throw it out right there it's too old and i was very concerned that another big development w terrible traffic that is in south howell you know other hundreds of more people will back up the traffic even more i don't think the infrastructure can handle another big restore and i'm very worried about the environment been polluted and especially the low income housing i'm a volunteer for patients without the time and so i'm i talk with low income people all the time that have no place to live their living in on chads and in sin their relatives or friends backyard many people it's just becoming a lifestyle on maui because there's no place to live so it kind of hurts our heart when we see all let's have another reason or poor people and wealthy people to enjoy and close off the beach for regular citizens can't enjoy so very much against that whole project especially until there is a place for the citizens to that it seems that councils project highest priority should be the housing crisis for people and not building more houses just for wealthy people i don't because their taxes are not trickling down to the poor people you know if there were resorts that were really taking care of the people if there was housing for people maybe ok but the environment is probably a little rough for that too so i would like you to not approve this project at least is there must be a new environmental impact statement because  hay has really changed over that forty years and that secondly one of the issues i have is this affordable housing issue here we have a backlog of the bella pers we've never met there are agreements to reduce fordable housing and i think maybe the pl that director commissioners and members of the public know presumes i'm not sure where the misunderstanding come from but as for everybody's information this environmental assessment is dated november twenty fifth oh it's just a couple of months old it's not it's not from thank you seven oh it was up today i don't know i've reviewed exactly what all the studies were done and everything but the mccann is maybe nothing more than a land grab against the wind people their legacy in their stewardship regardless of the current owner of the hawaiian people still have the sacred stewardship to take care of the and its not only for their children but also as a gift to share with all of us when we visit instead i speak to what is best in the best interest of the island in maui we have we have seen plenty of land developments all over my mouth as a real estate broker myself i have seen plenty in the last twenty years however one must realize that there are certain places way too precious to cut up and sell mckenna's one of these visitors and locals alike recognize the value of an undeveloped prime shoreline area so development essentially steals that experience way from all of them so i ask you for a full and current  and that the commissioners in this department walk in refuse this project with all the power of your office remember this is your oil into if you sell out to this project you saw all of us and that's all i good morning my name is deborah meter living key hey children point here this area of mccann eyes very special spiritually culturally historically i haven't even been able to the opportunity to even teach my kid about how special this area aside from the environmental impact statement which my understanding is different than the assessment this estimate was done in two thousand and fifteen the environmental impact statement which is supposed  in detail is what some people are referencing from the seventies and how much the community has changed since then i stand stand firm with those that have spoke before me in opposition to accepting the draft e i a s as covering all the information for this very special area the turtles found just stuff sure you can just walk into the ocean kids just seeing them for the first time may not have that opportunity if this project goes forward as planned but exclusive exclusiveness of those that will come and use this area is quite upsetting both of us and appreciate and help take care of this area so with that being said before i completely break down and cry we are opposed to this project is moving forward out of respect for us thank you there the next one is i'll i just want to let you folks know i lived in my apartment for eight and a half nine years and i just live in south key here my building was recently sold and my ramp went up a thousand dollars per month i am now homeless and i'm living at friends and family's houses i'm forty nine years old i've never been homeless in my life for affordable housing were we supposed to go i'm forty nine years old i scrub toilets so i can try to find a place to live i don't have i don't have much expect except for what what the island gives us for free and now you're going to try to take it away this is all we have we don't have money but we have love for each other the land and money is not everything because when we die god is not to let us take our money he's going to take our hearts and our souls and all the good things and the bad things that we did and i asked that you really have knowledge what is happening to not only this land to our world and let's make the right decisions because this is where it started the people do things right and even when things are done wrong they try to do a better thing that cannot be a lifestyle should be everywhere for everybody and that's why everybody from all over the world come here they come here they want to live but if you want to come somewhere and there don't change the life if you cannot adapt to the lifestyle and all the law that is given for free is one of our beds for our dear that's also food that's going all over our dear pat soul all the things that you various have planned or all of these luxury of solaces you guys are basically kicking out their natural inhabit s there's also i hail over there also a place for worship to give back plentiful to our fish what we sow everything has a counter effect this whole project is going to be a domino effect and it's going to crucify everything that we have and also has anybody ever thought of the fish but the fish eat if it is polluted the fish will die we eat the fish everybody fish here ate everybody everything offered everything right it's always something for everybody why not think about the ones that can speak our habitats our marine our mammals that we have this is going to kick in and basically eradicate what we have already so everything that we have basically an everything else out that was already there so i am opposed to this whole idea and it should be actually thrown out now all the studies for the marine and everything that should be actually as and also arbitration as anybody ever thought of that there's also corrosion that have been over time to places that are actually developed really close to the ocean so that's actually a danger to the well being of our human well one of the ones that like to come in live here we actually felt it for whatever reason which survive my dad had a farm i want and we had five hundred pigs my dad worked for the federal to support us and to put me to five i have multiplan mounts a property tax but that but for many of those years i actually thought that the property tax i was paid was going to maui to help the infrastructure and was actually found out that that really wasn't case there are quite a few things i want to say in three minutes so first i am asking that this planning now is planning commission have the courage to both this project down i am one hundred percent against this project i want you to say mckenna in the seventies and eighties there used to be a  now going to go condo there is going to be a new hotel there so we already have the condo traffic that's coming and the hotel traffic that's coming plus all the all the homes that are going to be built around the golf course coming so now it appears from this project that there's going to be vacation rentals and commercial property and stores and i do not know when the last time you actually walked in can a road but i walk it four days a week it is the only road left on this island that you can walk in peace and hit something you really can't even that because we got all the canoe or is there trashing the reef every day trash i mean it is unbelievable has anybody driven down the line and to see the trash all over the roads there is no money coming from the state to fix our infrastructure to pick up our trash we've got one public bathroom down in the cana one the parking lot of the kennel landing is full by eight am from is there a hospital down there is there a clinic down there when we hear a d m s go by we know ok let's see by the time it gets down to big beach that guy's going to be dead by the time he gets back to the hospital there still is there a plan and are they going to build a hospital for item's one new business purpose and submitting testimony to you from our organization is following prescribed process as we understand it the commission is to prepare comments on the draft and it is our duty to offer imports from our community to you which we hope you will consider while performing your prescribed volunteer duty we believe the list of ten preliminary items we distributed to would be sufficient to require an environmental document that addresses what a run off and affect on coastal waters in our opinion the most critical for the environmental assessment would be to following the hawksbil turtle is endangered and the green turtles are protected using the county's best management practices will not be sufficient to stop increased sediment from packing quality of the bay that is already out of compliance with the wind state department of health the claiming commission need only to look at makaha a state project which use these county best management practices for sentiment during construction to have evidence of out of control silt into the coastal waters d t fleming beach has been closed for much of the year from brown from brown water events on estates had  page document is extremely challenging and while we could not state we read every word of volunteers did examine the portions that we addressed in a list of ten items in our opinion the inadequate environmental aloha my name is deborah greene and i serve as president of the maui meadows neighborhood association i'm testifying on behalf of our association and its constituency we oppose the draft environmental assessment for the proposed mckenna resort expansion and the finding of no significant impact a draft environmental assessment does not adequately address true traffic impacts and does not take archaeological and historic sites into serious consideration so we request a full environmental impact statement which is different than a draft environmental impact assessment and a full house as has been mentioned hasn't been done in forty years so let's be really clear about the difference between those two were concerned about potential reef damage due to insufficient fill material used to control silt the silt runoff can caused her body in the water that negatively impacts the reef and marine life effected bay is home to the endangered hawksbill turtle and protected green turtles further a draft in eight does not adequately address true traffic and infrastructure impacts and doesn't take  that anyway the traffic impact report only analyzed three intersections close to the project there was no analysis of impacts to the pilani highway to waylay all in new he or south he wrote which seems like a pretty egregious oversight the two entrances to maui meadows are already backed up at shift changes from the hotels and those are the only two access points in and out of maui matter that's it when they get backed up we cannot move archie hammock henna community plan says quote upon adoption of this plan allow with no further development unless new infrastructure public facilities and services needed to service new development are available prior to or concurrent with the impacts of the new development because infrastructure to support additional residence is not in place or even planned for new residential construction mechanic is not supported by the community plan what we're seeing is key infrastructure like transportation drainage falling further and further behind land use development we see our county government not following the goals objectives and policies of the community plan to the detriment of all the county is supposed to quote control the timing and phasing of construction through zoning in order to ensure systematic and incremental development shell prevent haphazard development and ensure that the provision of adequate infrastructure and public facilities and services takes place prior to or concurrent with development that's a quote from our community plan the county government has not been following these policies or objectives for development in our south miami district and we are not happy about this so for starters we request of forward on this proposed development thank you communities you know people that want to separate themselves from everybody else keep their culture but there is a shortage of open space coastline climate change whether you want to believe it or not is a real thing in loni and several other condominiums that are actually falling into the ocean right now and there is nothing that they know what to do to you all is only exacerbate the problem you can try and find sound from someplace else and rebuild up the next storm will take it away so that this development is so close to the coastline it's stopped falling into the ocean but where will it be in fifty years from now a hundred years from now kids wanting kids growing up in hawaii that won't be able to see a coastline as it was meant to be the culture when when i go to rescue people and i see the coastline of kahana sunset experience what has been experienced for many years you know the other thing to point out is in two thousand and eight there was a big economic collapse and all the plans that you guys had for development just stop you think it's not going to happen again what is the price of oil what is the loans being taken out by the people drilling oil there is collapse does it not being you know so i think you should consider what about us it over here money is not our ability to sustain ourselves from what comes from the ocean and what comes from the shoreline that's what is important in building all these for off i mean people who don't live here d we rely on you to make good decisions that will enable our army our fisheries to overtime so we do we do appreciate the role that you play our state law gives you a lot of power so we resubmitted many comments in response to the early requests for this project and several were not addressed in the draft environmental assessment including identification of the water source draft states at the developers working with the department of water supply to obtain water but there's no discussion of the impact on existing on prefers the discussion of the alternative uses to which are limited supply of water could be put including the provision of affordable housing that sorely needed and since the lack of housing is causing and we will continue to cause severe a societal about the brown water standard best management practices for drainage and runoff we know that they fail we've seen it a couple lou we see it on the wall and other sites and that impacts shore water quality the reefs the fish populations the potential impacts from that kind of a failure even though it's the best management practice it still will impact the if we get a bigger storm than it can handle  assessment talked about sorry we asked that alternative site densities we consider that would minimize the harm from storm water but lower density alternatives were not evaluated in the draft environmentalist and i fully understand that development will happen it's more a question of how when and why it happens with this development the draft was from two thousand fifteen for it was that brought that up however it's based off of information from a two thousand nine hundred seventy four from the last couple years it's completely black from the runoff from the development there i understand he doesn't have the same amount of rainfall mckenna doesn't have the amount of rainfall that we've seen numerous in the past you know thirteen years that i've been here storms that are flooded all of south now in m a so what happens in a situation like that that's what needs to be specifically addressed not kind of these bag we have measured in place to ensure that no runoff happens we want to specifically know what those measurements are especially again in the hundred year storm center another on has the  brought up is each access actual open beach access here is ten parking stalls there is already heavily used by visitor industry as well as individual lived here here where the staying at the nearby resorts i think we've seen time and time again on a poly where resorts go in each axis is provided into arms of six to twenty stalls that are all full by you know seven thirty eight o'clock in the morning again this area of the access road heading down and the shoreline areas heavily used if you drive on there you can see it so both the impact of the actual construction itself and the vehicles for the construction self i think that he addressed but then after the fact  that you can do that early and so i think that that's definitely from this from surfrider standpoint something that needs to be addressed as well so again we're questioning that should you guys move forward with this a current full yes is provided  ok i can take a five minute recess and come back at ten thirty five my plane commissions call back to order i have people sign up cure or no solution so this development is a real bad thing to the environment lots of these big multi billionaires millenarian springs brings in resources from all over the role that as and the hotels and resorts condominiums doing for their resources and the communities you can build a police station or hospital or whatever in overnight in the year but it takes fifteen years to  school and then we have people with money coming here oh we can have a house in five years because i can go pay off the commissioners or the pump politicians who are in volved in this positions i don't think it's right but again i'm still new to this procedure and i don't think we need more development especially in that area unless you guys can make a commitment to the environment or you shouldn't approve any bit other big developments or autos the environment should be a priority one percent of the state budget goes to natural resources and we have the huge construction companies who are on the board of land and natural resources  why is why is a developer on board in lotro then a natural resource commission that is a conflict to me why is it is the we have part of ethics if the government is not following these mandates miami area i mean opposition to this project and i ask that this commission deny it but if that is not within your power that you require the developer to conduct a full before anything continues i have several concerns regarding this project it is only one of several planned projects by this developer the willing compass a greater area and will eventually have a greater impact on south maui this commission must consider not just the impacts of this project but how it will blend with other projects in the area this is a community of now why has mckenna resort avoided upgrading their e i a s if this can be upgraded by a supplemental based on the fact that things have changed since they did their first one given the fact that there are many culturally historic  archaeological sites in the area what is covered in the drafty is insufficient to ensure proper protection of mail it is this commission's duty as it is the duty of all other departments commissions and committees to uphold the rights of kanaka to traditional and customary access tried to save just scant few of the currently identified sites as i have only compounds the persistent attitude of entitlement in title meant to pick and choose what will be saved and honored in title meant to change i know forever for the benefit of a select and wealthy few that is simply not enough there are those who walk that i know and will verify that there are numerous sites located there a more detailed analysis does need to be conducted it is a concern to me that our planning department has no no it's for this commission to refer to for you regarding this draft today so i do hope that you all had the chance to read through the entirety of the draft before making your decision i want you to keep in mind what you've mistreated rules eleven down two hundred  pertaining to issues that would trigger the request by this commission for an i a s which states and i have to paraphrase because a time in considering the significance of potential environmental effects agency shall consider the sum of the facts on the quality of the environment and shall evaluate the overall and commutative effects of an action that the agency shall consider every phase of a proposed action its expected consequences and the commutative as well as the short term and long term effects of the action in most instances the action shall be determined to have a significant effect if it involves revokable commitment to loss or destruction of any natural or cultural resource i would consider these specific archaeological sites in the area whether it involves an era vocal commitment to loss or destruction of these resources which substantially affects the cultural practice of the community or state for these reasons and more i request that you deny this project then if you are not able to do so that you do not accept the draft and require a ful was of course an effort on the part of the collective industry itself to have the show me the water ordinance repealed thankfully the council chose not to allow that my prayer is that this count this committee move them demonstrate the same level of wisdom are encouraged fifteen this administration's long range planning department listed permits for seventeen thousand seventeen thousand nine hundred eleven new single multi family home that's not even hers or as with all of these eleven thousand eleven were designated committed and secured nine hundred partially in title with none yet as it needed to affordable indeed if they matched the hundred thirty three students already townhouse development going up behind my in my backyard twenty enough into our consciousness and love of this land and its people to grasp it i believe our lesson should we choose to express embrace that is to recognize these two issues within two hundred twenty days of each other represent a long never ending who we call on my end these properties in these areas are all under his land commission award and lot of the families that has lent commission awards all pattern and with the significant resources that it's that it's been there for years and you know pin that we haven't had that opportunity to recognize our history now we getting this opportunity to go on the lands and recognition here gives me that opportunity as a leader with the send in the voice my opinion for my aura that it's been there for centuries they left back a significant sign of what can we do how can we work together being born oh you know we today we having so many this question of billing billing billing money money money you know this is we never if you take care of we are and what part of the world we all live in and you know we're seeing something that we don't even have them in the schools back then it was all illegal but today now we understand what we need to do why we're here and why it's so important that we all communicate together but we have that you know it's out there we want to make sure that before we even attempt to destroy it what was the significant life of it you know it's to me it's it's alive and well and it's not going nowhere and we need to take care of this problem if we like  shane colwell summer trends so i have a brief powerpoint presentation go through the scope of the b n p thank you director and and then after which we can answer your questions and one of the applicants is here to answer any questions you might  and parking plans and i apologize that it's a little small here but it is similar to when your staff reports you can look at the little clear there but you can see you know please to the west of the property the driveway that goes up running kind of upward slo this is on the second floor second floor living area second floor of the nih that is attached to guest bedroom number four bedroom and bathroom number one bedroom and bathroom number two and three and four number four so as i mentioned earlier this is coming before you for a review because there are three other better permit a bed and breakfast breakfasts within five hundred feet so you can see this is the proposed b m p that about and then these are the existing b the community plan area is keeping a kind of and as of december sixteenth of last year there were thirty permitted bed and breakfasts in that area thirty permitted short term rentals the community plan capped for each one hundred hundred for each so there's a remainder of seventy is available for this year we applicants have taken some steps to really sure that the residential neighborhood nature of the neighborhood is respected and that all their neighbors  comfortable with the proposed so in addition to the required two mailings there is one mailing that the applicant has to do at the onset of the application process there's a second mailing that needs to be done when the public hearing date is determined but actually prior to both of those mailings the applicants sense a letter to neighbors saying we're planning to apply for a b and b if you have any feedback if you have any concerns please let us know and after the three mailings that as of two days the there's been no neighbor protest no neighbor opposition then exhibit seven a and seven b are the letters of support from members then you'll see an exhibit eight that the house policies emphasize quite ours and respect again for the residential nature of the neighborhood if you remember from the pictures we looked at the landscaping kind of helps to minimize any audio and visual disturbances that might affect neighbors and finally during the review the department books with the n p t and there were no noise just disturbances or any reports report and then just to give you a little bit more personal biography and information about the applicants mr adams alexander and mr peregrym are father and son again mr alexander is a twenty year resident of maui he's an educator and teacher has taught a lot of school a lot of different schools on the island he actually was here earlier but had to leave because he had to teach a class and then mr bremer who is a ten year is a resident of the island licensed architect works for the federal department of defense and has a part time architecture practice and his please come forward you have three minutes a low a commission i'm old and i'm a resident of mowing meadows i'm not familiar with him i don't know him personally i'm familiar with the house i watched it get constructed it's a beautiful beautiful house sitting on a hill and enjoys a choice of big view i want to emphasise that a bed and breakfast should be a bed and breakfast the owner living there the owner keeping everything in this place has operated for many years as as as a vacation rental the fact that we haven't seen any letters of objection from neighbors must mean that it is fitting into its vironment well the only concern that i have if you will is that we've had the bed and breakfast ball in place now for many years and why this application is only coming forward now but seems to amid all the requirements and if they were operating without allies with or without a permit and we find out about them they did not apply for a period of five years but the way our laws are we do advise people however you could such the department recommends approval subject to the sixteen standard conditions  motion i am glad that the applicants came in and did the application i like the i'm not a real big vacation rental fan but i like the b and b s that they live there and it looks like the home is set up  so i support it commissioner danny said questions for staff earlier this morning we heard from the president the community association for my medals was any communication made to the community association about the application is not a mandatory membership but you would be sure of living in a condo project or certain residential some provisions for you you buy living there you're sequester for the director the dissociation up by meadows have pursued and obtain from the council a cap on the number of short term because reynolds for the subdivision you know if they have any position relative to update a cap on short term prattles for mike meadows objet no if they have a position that you know if they're so serious and has a position on p and b i'm not sure if they have a position or not but there is possible so we have majority of both motion passes to graduations good morning mr chair members of the commission and what we're going to do this morning is i'm going to provide some introductory remarks and then i'm going to turn the floor over to mark roy who represents money and he's the consultant for the project and they're going to do a presentation and then we'll come back and talk a little bit more about the the document  so the item that's before you this morning is a draft environmental assessment prepared for the proposed mckenna resort and five m six s seven and b to project the project is a mixed use development project in the applicant's going to go into the specifics of that project i do want to mention a few things this document was submitted to the department november fourth two thousand and fifteen and we passed it out to you the hard copy on the twelfth for discussion at today's meeting on january eighth we filed this draft environmental assessment with the office of environmental quality control and for thirty days from january eighth through february eighth it's a comment period saw coming before you is in this comment period time and  addition to coming before you we are receiving comments from various governmental agencies as well as the public sold at some point in time you will get to see all the comments that have come into the department what we distributed to you today you first got the e mail and then you also got on the hard copy today is a number of letters and  including the ones that we've received today i was trying to i was trying to put them in three categories letters that we've received directly in support of the project that is that we receive that directly our asking you to reject the project and then letters that have concerns some of some of which specifically state they would like to require an yes  process the applicant has to take not only your comments but all of the comment letters that they've received as well as any agency comments and they have to address each and every comment they're going to compile those put it in a final environmental assessment and we will be before you again for the final environmental assessment if the project passes that process then the next time we will be before you is for the special management area permit through a public hearing process so this is the first time you're seeing this project and you'll see it to at least two additional times with that i'd like to turn it over to ok the applicant morning chairman commissioners and the public thank you very much for considering our draft environmental assessment today our goal is to present the project in as clear and balanced manner s possible and pay attention to comments and russians and and take them under consideration we'll we have sampled a team of scientists and engineers and designers and a few of them will start by presenting the project and go it going over the details and then the whole team will be available to address specifics as you may have for us but especially when we do recognize that this is a draft environmental assessment are very open to the comments and questions and feedback and we look forward to refining the assessment and every turning back with it in final form so with that i'd like to introduce mark roy  project and i thank you for the opportunity to be here for you today and i'd first like to go over the project team that has been assisting with the environmental assessment and the design and planning process the applicant for this project is representing the ownership of mckenna resort e t c mckenna holdings i will see you just heard from their development consultants that have assisted with the preparation of taking studies that are included within the draft environmental assessment we have been green providing sustainability consulting services is the  community plan a draft environmental assessment as i mentioned has been prepared and the intent of this document is to assess potential impacts from this new community on the unmentioned the final e t a once prepared and we've received all of the comments that have come in from agencies and members of the public those comments will be responded to and a final e a will be brought back to this to all in all they combined they combine to about forty seven acres just over forty seven acres and all three of these development bustles located within the open growth boundary of the maori island plan  the postle is the designated by state and used commission to keep a mechanic community plan and county zoning for single family multi family residences or developments in the case of m five m six s seven commercial this is another maps a map that you saw just now what we've done is we've color coded the apostles because there are three separate development goals and five is showing up here in kind of a reddish color consists of three separate g m case those team kayser in the process of being consolidated through a subdivision process into a single largest to allow for the development and then on the and possible and six seven this is what you'll hear today referred to as possible the two fossil b two is actually in the process of being subdivided into two separate lots through a subdivision  process as as ed mentioned at the outset of this presentation there has been much time spent in the planning in this design team standpoint to formulate a place appropriate planned for this area and it's been really outset in for and implement this zion strategy sustainability strategies as part of the design process to come up with the best plan possible for this place on the second of the findings of the various studies and surveys that have been completed for these lands some examples include topographic surveys archaeological surveys cultural surveys a lot of work was put in to understanding existing conditions on the plant itself and then finally and very importantly there are two mccann community and cultural focus groups that have provided input on this project and have reviewed the various plans that have been formulated over the course of about a year or so that input has been very gratefully received and has been reviewed as part of more area in the m six area we're proposing thirty six multi family units twenty single family homes and three lofts in the seven area  intention is to provide for functions that would have commercial retail activities we would include also parking that would allow for community access in pathology we've tried to break down the we also have the another component in this area we call multifamily six blocks its side by side units three stories tall with the top floor having access to a roof again forty five feet the compliance again here too we have single family units here we call them but new club holiday in many ways and characters started to look at the style of architecture that we were presenting in the t v are changing out some of the materials and throughout the project again on the six flags on the territorial contemporary territorial style of six flags multifamily inclusion some of the smaller structures as part of a rather well on my presentation at this it includes the physical characteristics of the built product is proposed in the project as marcus mentioned we also let's just go to the last few slides that we have to commission this morning the focus of the d v d agenda rights and today's for the draft environmental assessment or county the e a a is required due to a couple of triggers that require an environmental review process the first being with a project like this installation of the till it sees and driveways will be necessary to support the project so there will be utilization of counts the right of way land is that's one of the triggers and a very small portion of some of the improvements that will go over towards the end of the presentation today or within the shoreline setback area along ethnic and road so there are two triggers involved in this project both of which require the preparation of an environmental assessment to determine state county agencies including community groups and we received input during that process of which is included within the draft environmental assessment that's before commission is this morning draft the century consolidates and presents an analysis of the project using this early consultation input and the lead to an input in information that we received and also the finding impacts that may be associated with the project and to propose mitigation as may be needed some of these reports just going down the list here we've got sustainability you report what a quality report flora fauna survey  full archaeological and cultural surveys of the sites a comprehensive view analysis based on the design that rob has presented to you today and also a traffic impact analysis report and a and to go of the some of the proposed mitigation measures that are being cooperative to address identified impacts in the first i had some i'd like to go over is the marine believe for four different sampling points out in the ocean the findings of those reports i've summarized on the slide here no significant increases in nutrient levels have been as will review the commission today there are best management practices a comprehensive program of its management practices being formulated for this project in addition to a permanent comprehensive drainage system that has been designed by the engineer and there's been a considerable focus and this is one of the design strategies coming out of the sistine ability framework for the project that incorporates and explore those low impact development opportunities like bios whales and other measures that can assist with mr gates in the runoff that is generated by this project the goal being obviously to retain all project generated on earth tributes of both to this development on sites such that there would not be any significant impacts on the neighboring marine community second second subject matter within the e a a for a foreigner we have mr bob hope the here with us today he completed a biological survey of the site's findings that his report was there were no rare threatened or endangered species identified during his surveys in fact the site is characterized by the domination of non native species again however precautionary measures will be implemented as part of this project we have consulted with u s fish and wildlife service they provided some initial recommendations for the project and those will be incorporated moving forward there has been a lot of emphasis to ensure that the lighting design for the new community will utilize downward facing lighting fixtures to ensure minimization of any lighting impacts for the project  archaeological and cultural this is of this lee a very important section within the draft environmental assessment i'll go over the key findings that are summarized on the one slide here there two there was consultation with sh t d during the preparation of those reports and they were submitted to the state's historic preservation division for review as we started putting together the draft environmental assessment recommended for preservation the site plan that rob presented to you today seeks to retain and respect all seven of these sites in place as part of the community there will be additional requirements with state historic preservation division in the as we move forward with the project there will be data recovery plans required preservation plans for each of the preservation cultural impact assessment completed for the project that drew upon a whole reached research also oral interviews with knowledgeable individuals throughout the mckenna area that report did not find any evidence of cultural practices occurring within the project site itself however there were a number of recommendations set forth by the cultural consultant intended to ensure that construction crews for example are appropriate educated cultural considerations things like that those recommendations will be incorporated into the project as it  here are presented on the slide there are about one hundred eighty five fulltime construction related jobs each year expected over of an estimated five year development period  the commercial space within b to the resort village we estimate would generate approximately sixty sixty three long term jobs and then in terms of revenue to the county from real property tax revenues the increase in those revenues on an annual basis would be in the realms of about five point two million dollars each year affordable housing another important consideration for a project such as this it does trigger the need to comply with affordable housing requirements those requirements set forth in  result will be using affordable housing credit to satisfy the affordable housing requirements with this project impacts on targets recreational resources as rob mentioned there are a couple of onsite recreational areas that are intended to provide residents of this new project with recreational amenities those of course will be for the residents of the project there are impacts measures set forth within county code for projects such as these that are generating i pickable triggered by this project through payment of in lieu fees based on the most recent rates they come out with new rates every year i believe but we looked and it was about seventeen thousand five hundred forty dollars per per unit that would be triggered for this project we'll be working with the department of parks and recreation to address those requirements look at the project generated impact on the neighboring roadways and the infrastructure throughout the mechanic area there are one hundred forty additional trips expected with this project during the am in the morning peak generation by the project and there were no recommended improvements to roadway intersections or roadways throughout the mckenna area there will be however some improvements made to neighboring roadways and i'll touch upon that in a moment and those have been identified or defined through a consultation process with the department of public works to really dress engineering requirements and encourage or  try and nestle the project into the existing fabric of the resort community there have been design guidelines formulated as well to ensure that developments of the single family lots will be developed consistent with the design and the overall vision for the project finally i'd like to just touch upon the infrastructure a full engineering report was completed for the project by the engineer austins assuming an associates the applicant is see is what will be funding and installing all required infrastructure necessary to support the project in the first quarter is obviously really important i  capacity within that facility to accommodate this project in the ways words that would be generated by the project drainage a real key consideration for this project has been much evaluation of the existing conditions on the site i work with the architectural design team on the site planning perspective to design a comprehensive drainage system that will incorporate retention but also a number of water quality manages including low impact development items such as bio swales to really mitigate all project related increases in runoff that would be generated by this project and then we are down on the bottom here we've got roadways and this goes back to my comment that there will be some improvements that will be undertaken or proposed with this project and they're lanes by a landscaping stretch mckenna the old mckenna kiran erode will also be improved i'm sorry this is split into two sections but ultimately the top section if you're looking sites these upgrades are another example of meeting some of the projects sustainability goals this one in particular is really to try an enhanced walkability within the mccann resort community  were before the commission today to receive comments on the draft environmental assessment thank you for allowing me the time to go through this presentation and key findings from the drive to e a the your comments will be responded to as part of preparing the final event for the project and as an mentioned the second planning commission meeting will be scheduled once we've gone through the work process of evaluating a reviewing all comments received from the public including the commission and agencies and a final environmental assessment has been prepared once the environmental assessment review process is complete a third meeting with then be scheduled with the planning commission for just one thing that i forgot to mention mark touched upon the two groups that they've been working with in the review of this project  e have a culture cultural focus group that they've put together as well as a community advisory group just briefly i want to tell you summarize the type of people that able to provide that to you i was not i didn't have enough time to make a copy for each and every one of you so i made three copies share i didn't even count how many letters i didn't even i didn't tell you in china just skim it a lot of it was similar to what we received before with people wanting and yes but again i did not look through every letter i just didn't have the  earlier this morning and to hear him say that he wants to prove this is  a community where he can even go into a q what kind of community is it if we're not allowed to do all the want to do and be free to go into the ocean and everything around  very much tony go all so i came over here because there's so much people in all you know we losing lives in the land we're losing the battle i mean it's a it's a hard battle that we and we fight you couple of generations after so make sure we get for far on our children's children yeah so this gentleman was speaking earlier i don't know if that's a a is one of my last twenty years this is a place that says this is holy this is who we are i've been going on in this area and this just since i was little and  have a few years if you allow this development to go on the way it is proposed i honestly don't see how you this project has retained the sense of place i don't see any evidence of the cannot come all the who came there and first inhabited this police i don't see any evidence of the living color africa who are still here today where are they in this project i don't see a sense of place is definitely not there you'll be asked to determine if this is enough to tell you if there are no significant impact fondly i don't see how you will be able to do that with the current information you have i stand with my brothers and sisters who speak for the land but today i speak for the sierra club because we come into your purview of laws you will be breaking a law that was just tried and found to hold in court in mccarran which most of you have all gone on has no preservation and this is the kind of but that has put this project together it may look very nice on paper but what has been missed this place this road is protected by law and you are to follow that law how will you be able to say that there are no cultural impacts they say there's no cultural impact can you believe that in this area there are no cultural impacts that tells you this is a is not adequate and i  have ok i have put up a site here it is in m six it is seven zero eight four there is close embedded in the walls some some places it is six stones high doesn't look like an agricultural planting area to you you lose nothing there is no significance i say that not only do you have to look at that the need for an e i s a and the better study you need to look at that a i s because it is missing the input of all of these cultural descendants and normal descendants will come to tell you that they are part of this place their story has not been included and until their story is included the western i s is incomplete you have not done work to go out and get the views of people who have knowledge of this area thank you very much thank my name's she said these are i'm from quite a but i live here on molly i'm a radio personality here i am definitely oppose this project so you know when i came to mali i thought it would be a little bit advanced lifestyle because i wanted a little bit software it was kind of slow pace you know for a while molly kept time and i've noticed with all these different communities popping up not even affordable communities it's definitely took away from the beautification of this island it's you know it's a little bit much and i definitely oppose this project i don't believe that it would be affordable because what really is affordable to you guys it's not for me not for the local families it's it's really tough to make ends meet i mean there's been research i can be said is what is affordable is that what half a million dollars you know when people come here they come here to get away from that city life they come here to you know take a step back and take a step back in time and to really appreciate with more coming to these being popped up like this it's really going to take away if they wanted to see a suburb in l a they would stay in l a it would they wouldn't be coming here and we've got plenty on ben condos already there's so much vacancies in these high end resorts they can go there and if they want to go shopping they can go shopping and he hey we need to keep my kennel open and free and you know there has been some people who did fishing practices that probably wasn't  can't just have that one person blame him for all of us horse chum of the pond with their fishing practices you know they're so there's a big resurgency happening people are trying to do it right you know where we're trying to not take the baby is put on you know replace and to replenish our fishing in certain parts of the island and i don't think that you know you should let a couple bad seeds ruin it for the rest of us and again it's all over the news we are being priced out of paradise this is our home you're going to have a bunch of jobs yeah but where are the those workers going to live i can barely afford rent and so can my brothas and sistas behind me it's hard so yeah you're going to provide workers but they're not going to any place to live expression we in condos in high end condos we really know what's going to go up over there it's going to be mountains of cement now we can't even afford there are cultural aspects this cultural sites everywhere meant their house rules down there has to be a proper assessment at least at the very least so if we can just really take a step back put the money thoughts aside and just look at the cultural impact the island impact this the beautification of this place because we all call it home soil thank you and i think it's important to give our future generations the jazz to improve our environment thank do keep the lead the way it is so that he can strive for generations to come teach future generations of live home and that's what the future  need to learn that we need to stop the fighting stop what are you we need to come together and learn this this way of life is the only way that we can strive to get the money forty five fifty years ago to our family property and my mother was hawaiian and she was left this property which is now surrounded on all three sides by the mckenna resort so i i know very intimately about the resort i also worked there for fifteen years for this corporation and have been involved in the mckenna resort as it went through different owners as developers of the project they see right won't go into great detail but i will tell you consistent with what we have been sitting on focus groups and boards along with quite a few other local people and and the spiritual leaders of the island that have directed and guided discover group and he see mckenna toward what they have today what i see today is a lot of open space in comparison to what was planned and what would be able to be built there if they maxed out the density their plan right now it's for i think about three point five units per acre on on the three project districts three items up for concern which is why i support  it i like the treatment they've given to the roads and their concerns for the people that live there in so far as he opened this is in so far as preserving away the landing and improving on the landing in to cultural preservation and i hear a lot of concern for that i know for a fact they're going beyond what they need to do in preserving cultural sites and and that they are very very  our need to preserve what is important and i think i totally support what they're doing and i'd be able to answer questions if any of you have them again thank you very much for your time will be q question say the owners have not gone beyond what they need to do to preserve cultural sites there is much more there i am one of a small group of people that advocated for greater cultural review seventy we were told there were forty sites the absolutely sworn in this room there were not there were two hundred and thousands of teachers this happens again and again archaeologist don't always get it right so you should listen to the people of the cultural practitioners that i've talked to who cannot be here today are concerned they're concerned that the cia the cultural impact assessment since there is no cultural use currently or for a long time i'm not sure that how many lineal descendants they interviewed it seemed like just a handful but there are people in this room  also i want to clarify about the difference between and p i a s this project had an e i s four thousand acres including this forty seven eight in one nine hundred seventy four and seventy five that was the last e i a s this is an environmental assessment to do an environmental assessment it was issued last year two thousand and fifteen you do this when you think there's going to be no impact well you know i would not include i would not conclude if i were you that there are no x first of all there's a hundred acres that it's fully entitled upslope it's an estimate permit just like this does and there's a lot of drainage from there there's like two forty five fifty four in pipes three eighty four inch pipes one sixty inch pipes on and on they all drain into this land or on the engineering report maps we need any i a s that covers the lands of bog and the lands below because what happens on them is connected i hear they have no plans for the land but go to their website they're talking about in one thousand nine hundred acre resort i think they have some plans we're just not being told about them and what about the workers i mean they're closing down the mallee prince next door so it's really like kind of a downsizing downsizing you can wage jobs and upscaling density  is too much for this land it's like it's just too heavy for the land and the way that they're getting around that is to create a lot of retention basins retention basins a place where archaeological sites are that's why so few archaeological sites seven of forty one recorded sites are being preserved it was only going to be for a belief and then the committee talked them into three more really it's it's way way substandard what is being proposed about it's not even acknowledged as such in the archaeological report we really need to go forward and look at this in terms of does it deserve a fancy for you as the planning commission you can't force the project to provide affordable housing they've already gotten out of using a loophole that's perfectly legal but it's legal you can't say anything about that that's done you can't tell everybody that they have to provide some good union jobs for the jobs  devastated as you drive from down towards big beach in that direction along that road there you will no longer see the ocean except between vistas between the buildings these buildings of being built parallel to the ro this is what the u s showing the rates what the vista will be it makes it look like somehow you'll see things when in fact there are very few places this told exaggerates the plane along  why should this required yes this is the whole project this is what the company a t c is actually applying for over the years they have many of those lands to be developed in the area that is to the lower left of that project is all that's me that's what this time but this is part of a very large project and state law requires that you do not segment projects all the impacts and one of those impacts those impacts include ok i'm sorry we're going to cut you off here single family has multi family all together they will probably be somewhere in the order of two thousand units built on these areas in this project by looking at only hundred fifty eight units of good looking out here you're avoiding many many issues traffic drainage issues of the water coming down the hill all that go through this project none of that is handled in the way as you're looking at and that's why i'm saying they need to do and yes this project  segmented from the overall project later on they'll come in and do just this project and look for some kind of early development so i'm urging that you thank you welcome thank you and have a question for the commission over keeping the only kenneth cole storm road open the road began as a trail in the sixteenth century more than five hundred years ago and evolved over time hill and uncle eddie chank senior both of whom are no longer with us they were about the age then that i am now at that time not only brief history relates to the historic sites issue i wish to address i looked at my only tomorrows know this on the miti and found it to be an accurate moment tomorrow declare forty one a significant difference and i know because i had a great deal to do with reviewing the ss and encouraging and on to preach more sites are significant as a result seven out of thirty one site were preserved for twenty three percent of the total nearly twenty three per cent could you please conclude ye that this is the agency and that is not a specific type of action clarity exactly under section three hundred three to six the agency initially receiving and in green to process the request for approval which is still you it's a request for an approval it's not saying that you are automatically ok just very clear to process or question for approval shall require the applicant to prepare an environmental assessment of the proposed action at the earliest practicable to determine whether an environmental impact statement  so the preparation of environmental assessment is to make a determination whether you're going to require an environmental impact statement or just the is  n what you have before you is a draft it's not a complete document until such time as all of the comments come  in including the commission whatever comments the commission is going to have today but those things are are put on paper something outward bound and they address those comments  at that time this document the document in an incomplete form will come back to this commission and at that time you should make a determination you could probably make that determination today i would encourage you to simply because you do not have all of the information in front of you at this time that will come forth out of all the comments that you heard today and all in common whatever common the commission will have for this project and also we have not we have not heard from the different governmental commish that's described as my understanding as well and again i just want to emphasize for the a members that this is the opportunity for the commission to receive comments from the public so that those comments can be passed on the applicant and the applicant has their opportunity to address the concerns of the public and the commission so anyway that that's the process that should wait until all of the comments after all the comments are submitted the comments are of draft and this document comes back that's when you say so so the the plan department and  of and it talks about the agency in this particular and they could be many different agencies and i need to commission whatever whatever the appropriate agency is for any particular project in this particular case because you are the final decision making body on what will ultimately be the special management area permit you are that accepting agency for e a or even to been receiving by e mail some were brought here today some were given previously can come through the department through the staff give them to me and we will make sure the commission gets gets them i would like to just add one thing if you could refer to the memo that we gave you which is very typical for any memo that we give you with a draft the a we're asking for two things as the director met mention the main reason why we're here is because we are in the comment period for the process so we are first and foremost asking for your comments on the stress document but another thing that we're asking you which is item eight is requesting concurrence from this commission on the filing of the draft and dissipated finding of no significant impact so as i mentioned to you on in early january we filed with office of environmental quality control that document that you have before you that draft environmental assessment document that you have before you with an anticipated finding of no significant impact that's what was filed that's what you're reviewing that's what agencies are reviewing that's what the public is reviewing so we're first requesting your concurrence on that part of the process but part of the process now is to get in all the comments as the director mentioned and they're coming in slowly we're getting agency comments almost every day we're getting comments from the community minute by minute as you witnessed today and so all the the written comments that we have from both state and federal county agencies as well as as the public are going to have to be responded to by the applicant and put together in a final environmental assessment that will come before you at a future date just so i just want to make a note over here and i appreciate all everybody here in the audience wants to be heard we have to keep order here we can't have people yell in our statements an audience and also because this is a recorded session everything has to be taken in minutes and documented and it's not we're i'm still having a little problem understanding this what i read in this is a commission made designated self as you point him in super the final environments assessment for an anticipated finding  of no significant impact and provide comments on the drive to environmental assessment that's a little pretentious with my understanding that with them is that if we accept responsibility for this we're really leaning towards except in the  asking you the planning department filed with the office of environmental point quality control this draft environmental assessment and and anticipated finding of no significant impact that's what we filed  we are asking today for your concurrence with that and your comments to move to the next step but that does not mean that at some point when you get all the information that you cannot decide to some commissioner he ducked he sounds like what we heard today from the hearing and what we've read from the documents it sounds like the  document itself is pretty comprehensive i mean they did their great job on it they had representation from the community and so dora except that apparently there is a segment of the community that has been  that's the younger generation of observer and i don't think whether they've got all the comprehensive finding so facts that was in the document itself and to me before making  decision whether it's a need or even a i think the group should get together with the applicant and these costs the matter further so there can be a lot of clarification or some doubt as you know thank you for showing up you have a right to be heard and they have a right to be heard to and until we get all the information and i have never ever worked so hard in my life for a free lunch that if if what if one of your recommendations is going to be that the applicant contacts some of the people here or as you said you know younger people who may have input as well that is something that the applicant could do during the next phase which would be perpetration of the final in other words what you what your if if i'm understanding correctly what you have in mind as a recommendation or a comment to the applicant and that's something that i believe can be accomplished without having to continue this proceeding but mr chair i went to confer with the applicant because i know you know will try and gather as many comments as they can even if it's going to pass the date so i i went and spoke with the applicant about you know if the comments do come in after the date well they will they respond to those and  know put that in the final in the greedy if you know they're agreed to basically comment response to can't respond to comments beyond february date so for example if they're going to get together and meet with more people but again as i mentioned there definitely is two groups that they've been meeting with for over a year and you see the list of who's on the on on that is some of them spoke today which is a good thing were specifically was the water coming from thank you for the question so the as knows it in the presentation since we started this process the applicant has been working with the county department of water supply  and it's contingent on the well being developed which i understand is currently process under construction so there is an agreement in place to allow for water credits to provide the necessary wa explain where your water is coming from and everybody has for the recovery from how is it going to impact us as water super super if we're going to the next thing that i would like you to explain is how are you going to protect these sites either seven thirty one seven forty one to be every site this important how are these sites going to be protected specifically how are these people going to be able to go down and pay homage are they going to be granted pathways how are you going to do this and what happens if they want to gather one site or another site all of this this is this is very important and this thing is i think that you should explain to everybody exactly how you guys got away from the boardwalk housing  specifically because i see how it's done and i am not going to explain it so when you meet with them you explain for them how you got away with well to my understanding and so yes are you guys going to have you as and have a small supply and you guys are going to make it drinkable water are you going to do all the tests in it so i'm just so well to to go ahead and landscape that's going to be used for the for the gas at the hotel is d with discovery link company thank you so the the well that's being constructed as a potable well where the water would be contributed to the county's water system and the amount that's been contributed to the water system is in excess of the amount that the demand for this project and the credits will be assigned to this project they're built were good so we can provide in our final and even in advance of a clarification with all the and mark and what we do we talked about all the different parcels what is the overall plan for facing obviously you're not going to build out everything one time is or casing plan in tamara did comment during the early consultation process and had a similar a similar similar question goes back to mr mayor's testimony about there being you know more land available that is currently zoned and that's that's a true statement there is a lot of land available within mckenna resort that as of two thousand and nine was rezoned by the county council to synchronize with the community plan designations in terms of the current owner which is a t c mckenna holding its you know they're committed to  complying with the requirements of chapter three for three and this this project is currently the only project that they have plans for and so the e p a is assessing was buying another to develop or another owner for a totally different project that didn't move forward obviously because it has now changed hands a number of times the reason so of the parcels that we're looking at at this time it hasn't been determined what the sequence is i could speculate the possibility would be that it would start with the infrastructure on the roadways and then over time in response to the market  single family homes and the multifamily homes would be developed as well as the village area and since i'm so you know as we've talked about earlier about the trainee from the parcels  records with discovery like opening it's my understanding that it has but i'd like to turn it over to our engineer hostin so sue me and she can speak specifically to th drainage and drainage pipes and so on that are above these are arsenals that are not going to be developed right now but when you did your drainage report and you designed your infrastructure for these parcels did you take that up right after they drain each also in that yes we did but for some of the off site runoff we're allowing it to just flow through as allowed by the mali county drainage standards and what we're also doing is within the project we're adding in retention based drainage system some bios wales bio retention basements and stilling basins to handle the project itself in when the upstream properties get developed they are required to retain the increase in runoff as well as take care of the water quality that they're generating with the development having some familiarity with traffic i do not believe your traffic report is correct i think you should review those numbers i think are grossly understood if you have a i'm not going to declare war on the white community i don't know that they have consensus to declare war and united states this point so my comments are just based on what was provided to us and the role of the commission is just to provide comments on the stock pitch to the public document on item number three it's one of the sustainability constant is to embrace then on earth the local culture item number three i'd like you to identify how you've done in the plan because it's a good question and that's one of the seven sustainability principles within the framework there was mention in the presentation so we have jim hyde here today who's this estate ability consultant to be able to respond to that question that are being done which was the cultural impact assessment of the archaeological survey and so that's kind of documenting what's there and then setting up through the states procedures and the input from local  advisory group procedures for preserving and order data recovery the other thing or what are things that we would be doing going forward so it's how the architecture is designed and what techniques are used in there that respect to architecture and reflect local artisans the way that interpretation might be done on site so that is guests and people from here they either directly begin to understand the culture better or they almost subliminally they see something and they understand it better things in terms of working with the staff that are working there the kinds of just big should be using the right language that there are embracing and sharing the culture with people the wrong problem even the use of products in the hotel rooms the shampoos and that there are a locally made and really begin to tell the story about the local culture so there are things that are have been done and are included in the planning in the thinking that are recording the culture as it exists now and historically was there a lot of this is also about going forward how do we continue to share that culture and expose the people that are coming here and participating in this community to really gain a greater appreciation for understanding  more detailed questions basically there was an archeological inventory survey completed to each of the development souls within this project so there were three reports each one of those testing those three reports were then submitted to as h p d and there were some comments that came back on i think each one of the reports which had to be responded to by the archaeologist the report then was submitted as  version back to the state historic preservation division and the state about point except that each of the reports so that's an explanation of the process in terms of specific criteria something that's very significant for the local community say preservation plays a big role in what you want to preserve we can see traces of c three or four rocks that represented all terrorists probably not the best example to see verses of a larger set of services down the road that are complete and people can see them without in the reconstruction also their distribution on the landscape you want sights that articulate with each other as you division morgan davis came out on site three four five and walked with us and also as this only hall was mentioning the cultural groups with a big role in deciding what was important to them and what should be  not just as a comment on the archaeology of the area what i heard today was a lot of people saying that things should be considered that happen in the city so is there a mechanism where you can follow up with all of the comments that make people have comments on the i d s you can go directly to the status or preservation division and submit comments there  you can get a hold of me i can look at them all three yes those are preserved actually except that right now we're sort of into the phase of data recovery preservation monitoring it's mark mentioned earlier but you're always open to hearing  the i just want to add a comment to i mean the maybe where you and mark seems like overwhelming response here today is to you guys need to perhaps you have better job and community outreach for something might be get more feedback from community and really gather those feedback and are you sure you know thank you sir and it's it's written in the rules when we turn in the inventory survey me significance and how you assess it and if somebody has a discrepancy or disagreement with that they should they should then go to that body instead of going to you i mean i mean you're following criteria that is set forth for you if somebody disagrees with it you know they didn't come you shouldn't go they shouldn't go to you that they could go through you maybe towards that that other board that is that is setting up what they consider certain so absolute they can come through me or they can go to the status or the racial division because if and presented openly what the project about and you know open the dialogue about things and in addition what we tried to do was listen carefully to the history about the project i mean about intensive report about the history of mccann and we gathered that information and we worked at the piling into interpretable forms and discussed it and then we tried to distill it down to how we might be able to take the information and integrate into the object and in this project in particular we propose a cultural interpretive center rates and figure six in the application it's on the b two parcels near the retail village and we've also gathered the information and formed a curriculum and we're trying to share the information among the newcomers as well and newcomers include people that are new employees to  mckenna property as well as people who are new residents to the area and then we we work to share the information so we set up sessions where newcomers from him be integrated and they can meet with old think those four meetings were specific to this and five and six or seven be to project where the project was presented and discussed is i notice on the meetings you guys spoke a lot  of different projects sites but there was nothing about the t v r s and a question i have for you is this an inclusive group or is this so of form that people can come in and attend any of these meanies regardless if you're in you're part of your you advisory group or not we open to adding additional members to the group and we've added additional members along the way for example long the way someone made a suggestion that we should attending and continuing the dialogue and so there's a certain amount of reliability that people have on each other for being able to be there and continue so that organized but we can we've had other ad hoc meetings wh we've invited broader groups and we can and we can have those as well as i recommend that you have an open meeting so it's not a chosen advisory committee of the committee is going to give recommendations and their findings and your chosen committee might want to open up to have people just come in have to give you some testimony to hear about it and then that might expand your base will certainly take that into account thank you which i think was in the package that related to a lot of these issues that were probably might be worth looking at because i'm not sure that that what was presented shared a showed a full a fair share of what the actual future avoid if you like they were kind of vignettes and  o and there's also the use of the topography actually bring the buildings down with the buildings maybe tall where they are sited is actually below the grade of perhaps where the road is so that the height of the road is not as tall account the public's view to the ocean here's what i'm proposing to your tallest buildings or at the top of the site which basically blocks the view for the public the power grid theory of this site is such it's slopes steeply down to the ocean if the highest tallest buildings were place further down the slope you would in other words flip the project so that your single family is higher up as brief as possible and then maybe we can continue the dialogue but just look at the overall thinking of the masses so in our minds the most sensitive areas in many ways are kind of the views from  and trying to nassau other sighting at heights of our buildings back up into the hillside there is considerable through this in places in and around seventy feet above mean allowed for given the current zoning we have along and five tried to cluster these buildings in certain areas and then to provide for some visual relief if you will and then to provide for pockets into the view analysis also say that we had spent a considerable amount of time in along there looking at the existing patients both planted vegetation that provides for shade and then invasive species vegetation that we think we can selectively trim selective remove or for the betterment of planting native species and opening up as we come back in and around here two and six and as we actually we have a dozen of them in our proposal and i think important you know when the earlier test only was about our views in many cases what was shown was just the after what we've done in the document that you have in front of you have included exactly where our view studies are from taking photos where those exist and then as best as possible provided for an artistic representation of what it would be moving use and then in the proposed we believe through selective remove all the invasive species and their replacements with native that we can actually open our borders to the ocean taken views directly through our existing view corridors which are broadway systems so we believe that again we can preserve it in many cases and hence the views towards the ocean and  notably architecture unmask you know the building is part of this but in many ways as i said we're trying to cluster the building such that we can same here existing condition in a for here you can start to see some motion and then this is at the entry to our village center which will be highly traversal what we believe community access point not just for the residents here but for the residents  proposed as you all are aware of the area and in through here with the public use in this area sometimes challenging our proposal to actually food safe walkways and bikeways for the users  towards looking at that and softening it somehow thank you i have a question regarding the overgrowth of invasive species isn't that not the properties i mean the development properties land were supposed to be maintained or are they just allowed to grow fifteen twenty feet  i see this building the old i don't feel like it's a place that's in hawaii you know in fact there's a lot of places including the new place i was developed on there it's very square very you know box like and because i have a lot of books with taps office thing i did doesn't really need a response today from from the applicant i think if they could just hold it and then maybe address it and you know and the final appreciate that you know they'd be great  i have a comment pitched well i had a project development schedule and cost of its site step the project is three hundred fifty four point eight million dollars it's just a comment  my question is the commission in the past has looked to smaller projects to get paid one hundred percent of runoff on site of what percentage of the projects runoff will be retained onsite is the question ok i think we can answer back so the project's drainage system has been going to retain one hundred percent increase and so she said with the project so basically what the project creates in terms of additional runoff the projects drainage system will retain that it will be offsite flows coming through the prophecy as adrian one had mentioned during her response however this project has designed some additional capacity into the drain so i think there is some additional capacity beyond retaining one hundred percent of the words forget about the belfer look at trying to retain one hundred percent of the site's run on site and what percentage of that you know there's the project co the perfect world would be one hundred percent potential would have passed her from stuff but the project would hold whatever falls onto that site what percentage of that one hundred percent is the project show and i have a question for the developer in the it go back to affordable housing defeater with discovery i at thank you i understand that the affordable requirement has already been met for this particular project is that correct i know we're not at the to the best of my knowledge or not at the stage where we've fully executed i believe the follow up would include an agreement with the department of housing so you don't have a signed workforce housing agreement as of yet no not for this program have we have a desperate need for housing shortage of entitled property what do you have any plans at all for any affordable homes in the mechanic area the at this time the plans that we have for the development of mccann are the ones that we've shown you right in the day that we can sell nothing well so one of my comments will be i don't know whether it's in this particular time but i really i don't think that it's healthy for the island to keep the affordable homes segregated into one particular area i think they're needed everywhere and i and or stand fully up to affordable housing credits but i would really encourage you with your intitled go to hotels and i think that's a it's a great need because hotels you know don't have as much property to develop from but this is not the case with this mckenna with this mckenna property they have enough land to do affordable housing twenty shouldn't have to source k we should be able to have that information during the next round in the final yea in that area and those trees were eventually removed following the fish and wildlife service guidelines for doing so as it's not th that doesn't mean that these couldn't her from time to time to serve wide range bats all over none were reported in the project i want to continue on its own it's also it's on commission hudson brought up the traffic study and i had a disability quick quick thing that i saw where we had one hundred eighty five full time employees for five years to work on this project and yet we only showed one hundred forty vehicles leaving in the afternoon and only one hundred sixty arriving in the morning so that one eighty five already turns a number so i think that's the worst you know this maybe the properties that are worn by other people but are there means by which public beach access in the area so i can i can add some information to respond with something and have some input on that question as you know this project is the old mckenna road we do however have mechanical adding right rezoned back in two thousand and nine by the previous ownership there are conditions that were attached to the rezoning action quite a few actually forty four i'm not mistaken one of those conditions several conditions requires mckenna resort as an owner to do the improvements at the mechanic parks so mckenna landing is an example this is been  real agenda item for the community groups the mechanic community group and then the cultural focus group there's a plan that's being formulated to do upgrades of mechanical and in each park it was referred to as beautification in the zoning condition so we've been working with department of parks and recreation to come up with a site plan to beautify that facility another condition relates to timeshare or t v or whatever it's going to be and i saw what that becomes reductions in employees is i guess i'm trying to look at benefits for the for my we with this project you know obviously the developers are going to benefit and people who these homes are going to benefit so if you can in in a simple page try to show me a positive employees from where we are today compared to when this project is done because in my eyes we're going to lose employees at the hotel and we want to replace and it was sixty five employees at the next location so besides the tax dollars you know besides not being able to help on the land in some beach access what's the what's the greater effluent coming out of the plant goes where can i referred to a dream one on this question i think she'll have a point from a she more helpful information than i do they're saying that the best management practices that the county mandates now are not there and my question is if we could go back to them and asked the along with the criticism do they have any suggestions for how to do it sorry i missed the first so we were at the consultant that does the water quality testing but i can certainly help you with the information that i know about that would have tested what i was conveying to the commission today with the key findings of those studies  to my understanding there they go out twice a year to do the program of testing along the shoreline of mckenna resort and i believe it's something like sixty samples of the taken at four separate locations down the mechanic coastline and then they evaluate those those samples according to the public health standards and they evaluate the impact of nitrates coming from the ground would to influx into the ocean and how significant those readings are over time since the resort w implemented twenty years ago so that's the intent of the reports they have conducted by annually twice a year every year and there's a new report generated each time they go out with all of the tables that include all of the samples any action and they say changes are subdivision any of the people so that's work that needs to to occur right with you because it isn't in your is it was there someplace where you or your folks there that you guys didn't see any contribution because you're you're only going to have ten percent of residents in these units or terms of the time they were in the units was that one of your statements i can't recall that statement but we'll check through the dark human nature is consistent with that respon updated response from dio iii commissioner robinson that's not an agency i have checked off yet so we haven't received their direct comments to this this report that's their early comments so they me the letter that we're going to get maybe more specific and what the initially indicated i think i was referring to your comment that they didn't have to have a contribution because there were they were not required to because of the statement that the residents were going to be here ten percent of the year your comment is correct we do give information about average occupancy units  issue gosh i need some assistance on ph ninety seven number five involves substantial secondary impacts such as residents and ten percent full time residents so in the first column here on the left you can see what the breakdown of units would be one hundred thirty three per time unit twenty five full time units and then assuming a household size  three which is actually higher than the county's average household size so that's a conservative assumption of three people per household you can see the number of part time residents would be three hundred ninety nine and seventy five full time residen and then to get the average daily population for the full time residents that would be the same seventy five residents but for the part time residents what we did was assume that the time residents would be on property about ten weeks a have that you have i'm like to get them out of amount of traffic impact we're going to have on the summer thirty first when all the hotels are sold out and all the families are here and everybody's taking we can certainly calculate it is not information we have right now you have you know how many bedrooms  that it's a great idea and that's something that is being incorporated within to that cultural heritage center of need the intent would be to do just that with the archaeological sites to basically tie them together and tell the the story still a story should be told that those things together because we're talking about things in many cases where the hands that touched you know occurred in the year twelve hundred or whatever which is pretty larger for employees of one of the ice you know this would be to try to implement not necessarily just single family but any type of housing that they could get into where they could live on site but  etc within twelve hundred acres i think you can find some property within the scope of a larger development where it's not as valuable as beachfront property you know it's not beachfront it's doesn't have great views but people that put this document together it's a pretty comprehensive report and i'm with the only part i think that's lacking is maybe getting the people who are concerned about making input that are invasive species basically have invaded the area part of the commission responsibility is to see not only where you planes can be  but also where do you think can be created so if if there is an opportunity for the length of the project to allow for significant or continuous few planes that's something that should be considered with sugar going out of business i think we're going to have water coming out apart from that perspective but we've lost eight hundred jobs because there's an indirect effect in jobs they can be created  temporary construction or permanent through permanent employees is something that we need to consider and appreciate especially the recommendation that some of your resources in your land to benefit more than the tourist they're going to come here but some local people would somehow you know some other type of facilities thank you can i i don't know if you want to take a three minute recess because i have like two pages of comments that that i have that i  need confirmation from you guys that this is what you want to put in your letter because i don't wanna make the judgment as to if if i feel they've adequately answered a concern that you had or question i wan i the first comment that i have is clearly explain where water for this project is coming from and what i'll do is i'm going to get the general words out there i'll have to go back with the applicant compare notes as  we get the general concept second disc discuss further how they're going to protect historic sites and there's some of these we're going to be able to combine as you had comments for the comments later address affordable housing requirements and how the applicant intends to comply with it the details of that expand on the details of the proposed portable water  well water sunni the proposed well that they talked about today how many gallons per day could it put out and what is the plan for excess well water  discuss the phasing plans for the project provide additional information on the use of our one water for irrigation regarding traffic revisit traffic numbers and perform additional traffic counts it was commented that the traffic report inadequate conduct an open meeting to hear thoughts from the representatives of the community not on the focus groups that were here today and i believe on this one the applicant did get some names and numbers from people that were here today  i don't know about this one there was a comment about the project site plan and maximizing views from the ocean and then there was a response given you by the project's architect are you satisfied with that response or do you want them to consider modifying the site plan to maximize use to and from the ocean i need some kind of  combination of that with the last comment i got which is relative to the view plane analysis if there is an opportunity for continuous view planes that should be considered just creating additional few planes at all whether it's preserve the view plane and i would very much strongly like alternative solutions even as far as looking into i mean it's a matter of economics you go higher rises you can get more bang for your buck but i  also look at softening the contemporary architecture texture so that it better reflects our hawaiian sense of place that i see nods relative to each i think the at the question initially was was what percentage of runoff is retained on sites there was an answer to that but i think the comment i got was look at the best scenario of containing hundred percent of all runoff and then from there what percentage is the project retaining body affordable housing encourage providing an affordable single family housing project somewhere that's what i got and i think there was another comment so this was specifically about single family housing but then there was another comment about rentals about affordable rentals as well so i'll combine those two think it's from the community but it's verifying that it's with a group i believe it is but we can verify that describe the use  project describe how the project can improve each axis parking in the area overall area i guess that's even beyond what they thought about that they were quiet to do  i'll have to work on the wording of this but this quote discuss the greater benefits of the project with regard to employees  sierra club and the surf rider foundation if they have any suggestions for being p s that could be or are successful in the area identified the quality of water coming out of the sewage treatment plant specific you would like a story to be told of all the historic sites including those not slated for preservation to tie all the sites together did i get that right ok and then i had your affordable rental one that i'm adding to the other comment on page one or one of the draft environmental assessment effects which cannot be avoided you would like that's section to be expanded to look at other effects of the projects words cannot be avoided also page one or two on alternatives you would like that section expanded discuss alternatives and that's it because the last comment was on the view plane analysis just providing more r plus makes use of why it was the proposal why is that proposal considered in place just sort of the words the proposal the project step one last item on cultural resources not today i didn't hear of today but the fires in the past have talked about a mckenna resort area and host significant significant sites within the project area or thereabouts death would relate to that cultural  that relate to that line of sight concept conditions or anything like that