my focus is failure to plan is planning to fail i am a graduate student at california and i study homeland security policy and procedure the problem that i'm going to identify is the lack of community preparedness in peters township for natural disasters manmade disasters and what does what does the civilian population do in the event of these disasters i did a case study sampling thirty individuals  graduated high school in the past five years including members of my own class and i asked them what do you do in the event of an emergency in peter's township and their answer was they had no idea they explained to me that they understood when they were at school what to do when there was a tornado or when there was a shooter or when there was a fire but they had no idea what to do at home at the residence or if there anywhere else in the community at the time i went in asked some of my neighbors and i asked them what do you do when you have lost power or when you are in need of resources a disaster struck your home and they claimed to me that they would first go to the can and claire hospital for their resource needs they didn't believe that piers township had any facility that they could go to when there was an emergency they didn't know of anything the police department the fire department in the emergency services regularly hold exercises to make sure they're on top of their game for when disaster strikes but the community does not have any information as to when or what to do when these disasters strike the soley dependent upon the emergency services as opposed to having knowledge themselves as to what they can you the solution for this problem is to educate the society in many other states and many other communities after the nine eleven attacks the communities have held monthly presentations on what the risk management and risk mitigation plans are for their individual communities shown the individuals what they should do and where to go where they can get resources so they are not solely dependent upon emergency services when disaster strikes some of the things they also do are hand out pamphlets that have easy steps of where to go what to do they work with the red cross and fema they do not charge them anything to prepare their societies they even put information on websites which peters township does not have currently i'd like to say that the six pillar of character counts which appears tash of school district employees his citizenship which is giving back to your community your school or else i would personally like to offer my knowledge as a graduate student and my time as a community member to help the need of ours community to fix this issue community parent preparedness is not an option it's a culture and again i'd like to reiterate that failure to plan is planning to fail we do have an emergency operations plan we do have communication and through various forms of media we do have shelters we can open but they're limited because we don't have twenty four hour or permanent exert power to some of those so if they would lose power in that case the county would open facilities and we would make the public aware of those i don't know what you're going to gain because until the thing happens you don't know where people are going to go anywhere because anyway because you don't know what's going to be closed are you don't know what's going to be open so there's a lot of things that you have to wait for before you can dispatch or send people to the appropriate places it's not i think that i agree with mr lewis mr atwood brings up a point that we that community doesn't know i mean we know the council knows what you've done and what things are in place by out there in the community if he's taken some polls and i don't know how scientific it is but if he's asked questions and people are responding in that way it does identify an opportunity for the township to reach out and help people be more informed and with social media and everything else that's out there you know maybe there are new ways to communicate with people to sound well i think that part of what he was trying to put across was that  you know we all know what you're talking about you know first calling in all these things but i don't i'm not so sure that the public actually knows that i mean i think part of what he's trying to say is that you  know how do we disseminate to the public i mean how would they know for example if there was you know i don't know a huge power outage in the middle of the winner that you know we were going to be contacted i mean you know should they know that it van slyke if they it was flawed or unwatchable issue tornado or whatever that you know we have these things you know sit tight we have all these basic mediums you know be on the web site will be on cable wolf i mean rather than you know some disaster strike and then people like like i don't go running out or getting out of their house i mean should there be some educational process  that we tell the public this is what we have and you know so that they know there's a part of the problem large scale disaster  communicate but there's got to be it has got to be in the response you know there's you know all those fails you do this you know you can always go here or there that doesn't work that here is the day of the next before they get their good points so i think we need to alexander to eighty seven finish and this is a two month update from when i was here last time in regards to menorah beside my property and maintained i just wanted to give you some more facts about it first of all nothing's changed except for a barnes mendota fences main product and they've moved lots of dirt no cleanup just to reiterate something or not telling you last time is two horses you said only two horses i remember two horses make one hundred pounds of minor per day being that they've been here since may ninth two thousand and fourteen up with zero cleanup as zero that means there's eighty five thousand nine hundred pounds of nor on that property absorbed into the ground water and being spewed into the stream through the property and in my environment that's a lot if you don't believe me i have all the documents i've sent to mr sylvester every article about minorca gases which is ammonia hydrogen sulfide methane and carbon dioxide you all know that all of those are toxic substances excluding carbon dioxide which can be toxic i have been exposed to that has my family since may ninth two thousand and fourteen peters township has sent to enforcement letters time has come and gone force me washington county conservation yes has come out given for violations nothing has changed a zero except for them proceeding with whatever they're doing every couple days they take them out riding mower and chop it up which spews the pathogens and the dust and more of it through the air i visit the emergency room last night because of burnt burning bronchial tubes because she was chopping it again with a tractor that is not cleaning up nor that is just chopping it up three hundred square feet of manure is approximately what this is on the end think of the depth picture eighty five thousand one hundred pounds that is that's huge they also make a gallon per why no one cares my pediatrician all of us have been to the doctor for broccoli or for respiratory illnesses now all of us five of us i have a inhaler now if you'd like me to get the prescription and show it to you i have an inhaler i've been treated with steroids from my bronco irritation i'm not i don't have the flu i don't have an infection i have respiratory problems because i breathe this all day twenty four seven i have bought seven hundred dollars air cleaner from my house to try to keep it out of my house my curtains smell like a menorah i have not opened my windows this is disgusting i'm just i'm just picture eighty five thousand nine hundred pounds if you don't believe this just like mr sylvester has been given every single statistic article every agency including osha and i sh all have standards about farm workers breathing these men or gases why should i the places post be my safe haven and you all know because of the docket last time and i'm going to say it on public television i have  exposed to any more toxins in my environment this is a health hazard if you don't care about the horses and you don't care about the environment how about the humans i was advised my house is valueless with degradation of the environment i wanted my purpose for coming tonight is to give you the facts to tell you about what the tonnage is give you the days eight and zero cleanup and nothing's changed except for finishing a barn putting sulfide are not don't have an odor everything that is your carbon monoxide do you use the detector in your house why because it is odorless but it is toxic all of these facts are made available to mr sylvester he must have twenty nine articles about nor gas risks at least if he doesn't have them i can give every one of you a copy of them i do not understand why you do not care what you're doing to my family this is my sa haven my home which is has i been advised valueless with eighty five thousand nine hundred pounds the ground water is saturated and it is rained every day except for one in the last couple weeks when it rains not only do we have methane ammonia hydrogen sulfide and karma docks that we have mauled so for a year and two months now it's been mauled in pittsburgh poison control center has been advised and advised me as a mother of children my pediatricians request mr sylvester also knows this i've had discussions with him i've met with him mr zuck i've been promised a lot of things but nothing has happened except for a riding mower goes over the new year and they just chop it i sent him photographs that these were these horses are beautiful i don't hate horses i love horses they're beautiful but i think they need to clean it up and that's what i came to t with the d p i gave them half a dozen dates for this week or next week to go out on a site together along with the conservation district so we could all be there same time and observe but  will at least at this point we just don't feel we have any actionable items as far as citations has the county actually cited the precedence that you're aware of i don't think they've cited and they require them to do a corrective action plan and do we know how that's proceeding they've given and to oh i believe september august i gave a ninety day time period to come to a complete one isn't that at the end of ironwood court of the very back to lots sit on the cul de sac he is looking to consolidate the two lots and one larger lot to build his residence  s part of this subdivision and consolidation we do need to make some adjustments to the new tree preservation easement line that we had designed initially with the as i'm sure you all remember what the original design we had tree preservation area is focused around the actual grading for individual houses that resulted for these two particular lots in a tree walks now in an effort to have a comparison point for area of tree preservation what i tried to do the red lines in the area if this and any kind of outside recreational areas as you can see on the other side there so what i tried to do was to illustrate had this been designed initially as one liner this grading is somewhat consolidated around the edges so it enables us to add some additional area to the property side yards and again up here we also have one of the conservation areas so we're actually adding some additional tree preservation area but she sent to the conservation area of the property the total tree preservation area that we're looking to have with the green line would be seventeen thousand eight hundred thirty four square feet so an increase over what would have been initially designed had we just struck a line across the back here so we are adding some additional area  are very small somewhat sickly looking there's a number of trees up in this general vicinity of the they're rather fine overridden and i have a picture that i can also show you as well scuse me but i wanted to point out that we're proposing to replace the trees in the tree preservation area with fifty seven new trees a mix of autumn bred blease maples eastern red buds concolor fir and norway spruce so we're trying to put in a mix of coniferous and deciduous trees come up in the forest they're not here into a twenty foot radius from the tree next to it so weak i kind of mixed in various sizes that we could get a nice full tree preservation area around the sides and filling in the rear as well would be directly behind the house and that would just be lower trees planted in that area but as you can see in terms of the full view across the property we're really talking about a small section that we're proposing to remove some trees and then we'll be planting all this anger here this is the other property corner so all of this all around here all planted in as well and in the trees  was more than one yes there was i mean each lot had a tree preservation line associated with it based on the grading of each individual long standing ones is that you were trying to use the kept the the house footprint towards the front minimise the grading along the rear to along the edges again we're utilizing because a lot of some of the trees have come down during construction activities initial grading of the sites just trying to prepare these two pads for for a future house or for sale to future houses  a lot of the trees up in that area happened to be rather thin sparse and some got damaged during construction so we're utilizing some of that area along the edges to do our grading so that we can tie in without disrupting the rear of the property as little as possible and then the slopes that we are already disturbed and have no trees on them we're going to reestablish the slopes and then replant them completely shape from the tree stand point where they're looking to plant primarily more natural type trees are not ornamental so that would kind of go in line with a fee the ter management from the original design and added the additional area the additional impervious area without looking at the dry well we're proposing a dry well to collect the first  runoff from the roof area in the sports court now ninety percent of the storm events now obviously not recently as we've been getting quite a bit of storm and weather lately but ninety percent of the storm events that occur in a year are about an inch brain so for the bulk of this storm of events we are going to be collecting and storing that and gradually infiltrating it through a dry well and then in addition to that i added the additional impervious area to the original storm water design the way that things were graded initially for where that water runs off to we were already dramatically reducing i think we were somewhere in the ballpark of fifty percent reduction initially so the small amount of additional impervious didn't cause us to having net gain overall from the existing conditions we submitted our calculations  there maybe we're just considering this one to be impervious that way we kind of have all options covered should a system be chosen at a later time that might not be impervious if i could ask a question or two absolute when you stand at the kota sound ok a lot number eight has a fairly steep slope and then it curves down and it goes down the path if you stand on the edge you're almost in doubt so i had a couple concerns about the elevation and how you were going to manage that because it looks as if the driveway is going to come in at the very far side of the lot so you're proposing to i plant trees on that hill and not remove as much of the help is that what may i ask it as a question are you planning to leave that hill and plant trees on it we're we're going to shape the hill and there will be a wall a small wall put in  along the back side of the driveway area here so we shaping the hill it's it's rough great is now it will be fine graded and then we'll be planted in the excus much mimic the initial design when it was two houses we're going to have kind of that stepped because the degree does come down around naturally so we're kind of mimicking that of the governor's drive with that being there how far the setback for the  as far as the idea of the trees there i mean the lots pretty much open there are trees about the hill i'm behind from my perspective putting in more healthy trees would make sense if if you're basically replacing one for one or more then one for one what you're putting in where they looking at a mature tree or were they did they spec it we were looking in a two inch caliber you know not not something that the deer are going to necessarily get out right away but they'll still get it that john and i know but our landscape architect respect out a two inch caliber tree and then the only other question about the impervious which where they considering it all doing pavers on the driveway are there is that all going to be court concrete or asphalt i would assume and impervious coverage we have not discussed pavers again in this situation from a stormwater standpoint i like to err on the side of conservative numbers and utilizing impervious cover that way if at a later time they decide hey you know what would i rather put pavers in here furnace static standpoint and it offers some impervious plan and this isn't this isn't a comprehensive plan or this time where they're they have everything pretty much i know they do not coming think need to get through this process first and then we'll sniff a building permit route i may be misunderstood i thought they were into the wooded areas that will assist in slowing things down you get a slower time of flow through the through the wooded areas so that will help dissipate the flow even it out and court case so there's the first one on the corner but then there's not another lot for a while until you get further down so is it reasonable that doubt water can be can be made to avoid going on anybody the properties below it so those were the numbers that we utilized in redesigning this and adding the impervious areas to check everything against so we were very specifically looking at the water that was going to be flowing to th nationally to discuss kind of a policy direction for some of the storm water issues that we're constantly running into that seem to involve private property rather than public infrastructure so back in february we decided that it would be good to put together some type of ranking system or we we call the decision tree to try to at once say prioritize that's not the right one but maybe rank in terms of severity some of these issues to just give coun current problems that we're having with this decision tree just to get a for you recount how it would work just for example like if you go through this decision tree we asked a series of nine questions with one hundred points total that you can get yard flooding landscaping issue doesn't affect the structure only affects one private property it's going to school lower so i tried to rack a couple of these just to give you an idea i won't really get through that but  n going through the exercise i think you have to keep in mind that you know again this is a tool to try to rank these problems i think the ultimate decision of whether it's appropriate for the government to act on some of these is still going to be a decision that will have to be made on a case by case basis but when i kind of got to the end of this what i'm visioning is that we could use this decision tree to take all the all the known ok here's what we talked about last time this one we decided this is crawford kind of just keep rolling through that would be one way to maybe sit down and analyze some of these issues more in depth  determined well it's strictly private issue doesn't involve the local government that we don't act and we you know we sent a letter to the property or other thing that we've seen other communities do is set aside money in the budget where that or may be say fifty thousand dollars a year to work on these gray area issues and that would be a scenario where if you would decide to do that this ranking system would come in as a handy tool or you could look at that on a yearly basis and budget try to tackle a specific number and put a dollar number in some of these issues coursers other things that communities of done percentage contributions if you feel it's a gray area issue and you look at the ranking list of the schools of third you a recommendation from some group or a similar committee to take a look at our known storm water problems and the water considered to be the most serious problems and then we take  we would then require from you some estimate as to what the solution would cost and we then we could say ok here are our most serious problems here's an estimated solution amount we look at our budget and say we can you know we can i think the checklist was a good idea at commend you for coming up with that i think it's a viable way to evaluate the problem i think mr bone your idea of looking at what the priorities are might make sense i  would say that using this tool will be a certain number of that if their property owner created they'd fall right off the list anyway i don't know whether or not we have a sufficient volume tash we complete the committee know i mean we we have a construction appeals committee and they don't do much but you know maybe there'd be something that they would be convinced i don't mean to be very upset and they don't get asked to do much maybe there be a committee that can be set up at hawk land issues come up  because i don't know whether or no i'm waiting to the budget would make sense but i i see your point of trying to identify that you know you have to figure out what are the willing to pay for sound but i'm not real keen do not reducing the amount of water is reducing the people run off and so you are going to have those issues some of the other ones again part of them are property owners created by the way to develop their property point to where the builder or the owner did or not it will not applicable i guess what i'm thinking is it would be much more focus a much more focus on who we should go if we could come up with a concept that maybe the township this soley attributable to the problem but we're significantly you to go on the property and fix it that's what they're calling you you have said if you check yes you now say it's kind of a system we tried and tried to get these questions around in is much ado gave it a pipe and twelve inches might have been ok but with all wife policy we try to get away from specifying the dui limits that are in the law because they keep changing them and every time they change we have to change policy so by referring back to that law for those specific items we eliminate that need to continually go back to e c davia we got do tasers there's some different terminology being used so we had to edit out one to account for the discharge of weapons was just bringing it up to date again some minor issues so well that's no one we have had at sea eight hundred twenty of us have had the training we've got about five or six more guys that have to good go through the training for what ready to move forward we're waiting on that i once i drafted it goes to them for any concerns or issues you know come back to me with their edits make the edits or discuss them with those individuals to see if we can come to some kind of agreement once we formulate that we go bad again and we from probe to drive stun and that's exactly what it is ok the small bar concern you had the door or the probe has small barbs on it that's what we're talking about a very small piece of metal we wouldn't go in looking for that in someone if we removed the dart or probe and it was one of those miss and we're going to make sure that person gets medical attention so that's all i was just trying to please understand i'm not being critical but when you write a policy and then you have the steps i was just trying to understand reading it to make sure that all the steps were included the other thing about the north can because it's a drug and you're administering it whether or not there were hipaa regulations that you needed to convey information to the medical people know they're going to be told what we've done because we'll probably get there before them they were added to their report you know grow the hospital that margins already been provided but the crazy thing about dark ten is that each kid comes with two doses if you give the first dose and you don't see a significant improvement in a couple minutes you're supposed to give the second dose right and when they get to the hospital they could even give them more ok so the protocol if you only give one  and you open a kid is there a protocol for wasting the second dose we would probably retain that but we have to get another kid to have two doses ok so it's just a quick question of record keeping if we use are we there's a report in the kid that they have to complete drug it's a set to the washington county commission on our crime drugs they will restart based on those reports my question was just trying to understand since that was new how the details were being followed you know i've read mr sylvester kind of answered there's my practice my understanding a protocol with policies is that when you write a policy the original date stays on and then you write revision dates as they said the beginning are covered all those religious pulses in the would they would understand what you were talking about but i have a question on the mobile video recording systems policy and specifically it's on page five and i don't know if this is a question more for the solicitor or not but there reference to copies of hard drives and in interpreting that correctly many copies of the videotape with there's going to be a video from the recording right now and so the question i have is that i know on here and it says that all of those will be considered investigative or intelligence in nature and the only be provided to the district attorney or pursuant to a lawful subpoena and there was a commonwealth wealth court decision last week that said that copies of those videos actually are public record so how do we address that i mean the state police may appeal that decision and it might get after the guy says arraignment and i get discovery from the commonwealth if that's a public record that's not a public record then how can the well the one you're asking for is investigative material they're determining that videos  will store them for a period of time and for use and what would that period of time be we could we copy them off and put them with the file so that's not a difficult problem i mean i'm just wondering you know like because you know it could be years before somebody sues  only be written over as it gets sold and i would think that if anything korean spiers out there that some is going to be concerned about they're going to come to us rather wrap but when asked so will have access to that pretty quickly i agree with you  church and i received for library renovation project we received three beds for the library renovation project we ended up combining the two projects that we did dollars we are only recommended basted because we felt that the cost of the alternate with which we added as a second project to do some ceiling towers placement was a little excessive and plus it was already pushing our budget also have a the same cargos for a lower for their bed also we will also be getting prices from the state because we are warning of a small amount from them as a back up this is cheaper than we did last  but it would force us to purchase more equipment and possibly manpower so we're not prepared to recommend that at this time i remembered reprove resolution zero seven zero two fifteen maze go presented us with a change your request it's basically just a two week extension of the project time they're not requesting any additional funds and the reason for that request the bas extremely well gene we've had a b in our course the first thing that we have to do is excavate for the building envelope and then think before hers and everything which is all weather in sight condition dependent is going on it's been like a board along with mr salustri should someone from the fire department be involved ok in someone that they select from the fire department to be achieved to be the chief stephen montgomery council for every land company and we have three modern occasions in our proposed letter and i think the goal here is to provide some flexibility consistent with  what we understood were the aims of council when the people spoke at the meeting if i could just very briefly for those modifications the first one is council's condition number one that no grading  permitted within the twenty five foot buffer area around the crossing six development we thought some additional language that we would propose would read the existing vegetation within the buffer be maintained to the extent practical and no grading occur within the buffer shall occur without the approval of township staff so we wanted to leave a window the word township staff could approve certain grading so long as it's consistent with the purpose of the buffer zone which is we understand for privacy in statics because we can conceive of instances where we might want to raise the buffer zone to provide further privacy for our development  advantages through certain type of grading activities but to say we couldn't touch it in terms of grading might be counterproductive so we would just like to add the language after the word within the buffer the language we want i shall occur without the approval of township staff so the municipality would retain control but we would like to be able to propose some grading that might be consistent with a buffer area if need be the second condition we would propose deals with the land or the planning of trees or shrubberies within the twenty five foot area in the way condition number two is written it says that all buffer landscaping shall be installed prior to any occupancy permits being granted we would like to modify that with the preface to the extent practicable all buffer landscaping shall be installed prior to any occupancy permit being granted and the reason we're requesting this is because it's been the experience of any land company that if you install all of the planning before any of the occupancy permits are issued you don't have  a good reliable source of water to water this entire perimeter of the site so the way they do business is they get a few occupancy permits and that gives them the chance to water the trees so they don't the primary source and this is john moore it's the president of the land company and the second reason for that is you might have seasonal plantings so you might have some planning in the fall as opposed from the spring so what we're hoping for is just some flexibility to work with staff about the timing of the plantings the third condition deals with the issue that was the subject of some focus by the neighbors and this was about that emergency access over made marion drive you recall the school district is hoping to have emergency access through maid marian from the high school property through the development and the solution here was to allow emergency access over maid marian with a gate to be planned to be installed at the top of maid marian at the school district boundary what we would propose is th e current language is written up what has to be the conjunctive word and between the words emergency and school buses we thought it was more consistent with what council wanted to say strictly limited for emergency purposes in in an emergency school buses could use it as well but we didn't want to have language in there that said emergency or school buses because that leaves the door open so to speak for a lot of traffic that i don't think anybody intended here including the neighbors who showed up at the meeting it was understood what council was saying that this would strictly be for emergency purposes only and then there was some language that was ok well yes well then our language with respect to that would just be that it shouldn't be permitted unless it's emergency so that was our understanding was that that gate was closed metaphorical gate was closed but you're explaining to me that your intention was was otherwise so i understand ok with respect to the gate the actual gate we would propose that the it says either the developer or the school district install the gate and you know it's kind of either or it doesn't really serve a good purpose functionally here to to write it that way we think the school district should install the gate because they're the ones who are requesting the access and furthermore the school district is the  pick the vendor and then do the actual illustrate installation of the gate rather than the developer since we're really going to have a hands off approach the homeowners association of the developer not going to are not going have any responsibility for th as i was listening and some of the other not that there are reasonable requests you just don't know that we have formed which do that now i know in the past in other developments there's probably timing issues we're paving you might have a condition that has to be done by october cation changed their term especially as to who was going to pay for apparently the board design and when you gave that condition then it was throwing the ball to the developers in the school district corps to decide who was going to put them gated in how to function we sort of agree the only thing about the second point one of the things that was very the residents were being very vehement about the line of sight and i agree that planning in the winner is not a smart thing that that needs to be discussed before appeal period for the condition used to thirty days so this is basically the final conditions but let's let's revisit it because in any time you can see the modification the conditions and if you find out that these aren't something that you want but  ok that's not to say you have to wait i mean if you deem it more pressing to pass through the hearing now you know randi then you know get down the road six months and then realize oh geez i have to do occupation yes he if that's your only place bit like the la times you have people that work for another company and they they use that for phone kind of thing but they don't really have an office but why this this year's a big spike your could we send out to all the home occupations that we have one record that their program needs renewed and they're going to be some new ones and there's going to be some that