warrant nine o'clock p m executive session with attorney leo paul going to turn to john davis discussion to conduct strategy session in preparation for negotiation with nonunion personnel or to conduct collective  anthony smith tele in his office runs the web page we've got contact information for a local group to get out to them but we do have an opportunity to put a little different spin on it this year because the preferred date settled in as may seventeen which happens to be armed forces day sol here we have thought so the men and women serving our country around the world and an opportunity to do something for them as well so what we would propose is to go through the regular program of the clean up all the different volunteers the gloves on the water bottles and saxon ajay's i was already picked out the color for the new shirts for twenty fourteen and he provides all of those as well  town already they want to collect notes to the servicemen and women i mean i would really hope in something like this we could get virtually every family in town to take a few minutes to write a couple of notes to somebody in the service and say thank you f uniform have said they needed and these two groups pack these up and get them off to the front wherever these people are serving we'd also try to collect some money to help pay the postage on those and i think on a day like that we can strike a major blow for the environment to get the tone cleaned up and i think when we start the planning we become so much more conscious every time we go down a side street somewhere when we shudder a little bit by some of the things we see coming off ninety five onto the ramp of one forty either north or south it is terrible and i'll bet you that by the evening of may seventeenth that area is going to look pretty nice and that's a capability we have to do this within the community so we also have an opportunity a team of their own to get up there on the street picking up litter they will also encourage other volunteers they will also do many many donated items for the men and women in the service but as volunteers register for this cleanup they will have an opportunity to put in name and contact information on a card dick if you will tickets and whoever had their name on that ticket would trade that in for two tickets to a patriots game with v i p parking they'd have a hero gate party under the big bubble and because last year i think we had just under two hundred people we put it together in twenty eight days we picked up over seven hundred fifty bags of trash that totaled up over five tons of trash that we took off the streets of foxboro we never touched  we never tried to any of the areas coming off of the highways this year we're going to conquer all of those willing to do all of the one we're going to do all the old ways coming off we're going to get everywhere we're going to get everywhere in the town and you know every i think everything i think everything will double i think we could have four hundred people i think we can take ten to ten tons of trash and and clean things up and do a real good thing for the service people and get them the things that they need in the  i think will be a really good thing you mention that you have a method to eradicate goofy well and it well that i mentioned that you know you know if people came up with ideas or certain spots and in town that needed stuff like that there's no question that we can do that stuff that we could we can make different things look better if there's certain areas that are even in the woods that have been neglected for a while now so yeah absolutely but if those spots are told to us and we're identified with four hundred people it's amazing what will get done i mean we got a lot done last year in a short amount of time with a little more time for planning we can work out in have the time and i just think the whatever the need we're going to find somebody from last last year we did it in june so there was already a lot of overgrowth the shit we're going to do in april before there's the overgrowth so we're going to be able to get into more pot down on the end and there was like a wind tunnel coming up out of the parking lot and the debris that collected there was unbelievable so we were real anxious to get in the and get it all cleaned out and we did it but  nursery got a handy felix tree tack they when they took down the tree they blog the wind tunnel planted scrubs beautiful curved walkway going to a lovely bench and that is just somebod reaction number one julie's reaction to the pictures in the paper that got the dr going in the first place but then the reaction of other business people it sent a just going to be even better than what we did and i think this is the kind of thing that just encourages in the community so what we need is your blessing to do this on may seventeenth with all of the same safeguards the common is in us so we will go elsewhere for our closing ceremony somewhere very close to the center but preferably you won't be all those people having to cross the street in the center of town anyway so we would do that somewhere else but for the  potties and stop we would all have the permits in the border hold approval everything that was required everything that we had last year plus and if if we could get there from you we are already working diligently all the trash up after and we're ready to roll james on the other than you know big thank you it was you know it's short notice last year it was a tremendous success you saw people come out as individuals groups putting people together that have worked together before tons of kids community got community service points which went to this school and i know you were out there with your staff and your quitman in gasoline and  know it's nice when wanted to people come together with an idea and then you finish it and you say going to come back and make it a yearly event and he came back and i can see this going on and on for years and if that was it was good a lot of a lot of the high school students actually would show up at my office throughout the year and ask me to sign off on community service stuff for them and national honor society stuff and so the kids you know they they did what they needed to do and it was good for them yeah and i tell you that they had a good time and and it was a good mix of businesses you know giving the food in time and energy so i think a lot of he no home feeling very good about that day other than the poison ivy either that's why we're doing it early to sign up to do that ahead of individuals neighborhood groups or whatever or or want to register to fill out your shirt size and all that and then we can we'll have a meeting point and then we disperse to people throughout the town super bowl and usually are signed up we do one in the congratulations and i look forward to thank you thank you thank you very much for what you're doing and just morphing it into the taking it to the next level is amazing and i think especially  recognizing our service people this really puts a wonderful spin to that so thank you thank you police chief in mansfield and i know that chief hatfield had received contact from the fire chief mansfield is joining with several other communities and evaluating a regional dispatch center aware last fall i provided the board with an update of a study that we had done with another group of towns walpole norwood and medfield and unfortunately due to circumstances several of those towns upon the completion of the study opted not to pursue it any further this is an opportunity for us to walk and assess with another group of communities whe regional effort would be beneficial to the community more and more the why the nine one one system is looking for all communities in the commonwealth to belong to regional groups due to a reduction in expenses for the communities as well as enhancing the services that the communities receive as this venture would not cost us anything to participate in the grant i made a leap of faith and sent a letter today so that the group could include us in the effort as we under a tight time frame to have the grant submitted to the chiefs from the man still police is actually taking care of the paperwork for the grant and as noted in the  both norton easton and the city of albro would be joining us in this offer it should be fairly easy for whatever consultant is picked because we have the most recent data as a result realized that it wasn't necessarily going to reduce costs and they had questions whether politically they could have community support for making the change to a regional  effort again it's part of a salesmanship that i think that if we decide to join this new group in the study comes out to show that there would be a benefit in improved service for all the communities involved we would probably have the power to do sort of a marketing campaign with our own residents to make them realize that even though the calls not being received directly that the public safety building that they're still going to receive exceptional service and that the same people whether it's fox will firefighters police officers will be responding to their homes for that service to be provided and i know this is a trend but have any other communities  center that's been developed and is up and running i know that several of the cape communities are in the process of finishing a study to evaluate joining together to provide services and some of the communities down the cape are utilizing the parts of the county sheriff's office as a quote point for the emergency medical dispatch the towns next to us in terms of the king philip towns of new offshore can rent them and plain bill are in the process of actually building now a center and i believe they're going to be joined by the town of frank know that's that's just gives me hope that this will materialize or a new version it so do you think this combination of towns from what you've learned so far with land potentially more towards being success well this commonality for us in vance field even though we're rivals in our high school sports there's a lot of similarity between our communities they have the contrasts center we have stadium so this policing staff is used to dealing with crowds norton abuts the comcast center and we've have officers from norton supporting our police in operations as part of our police reserve opportunity certainly albro is interested in it and they want more information but at the same time the other communities have a lot in common with  commonality between the communities you have the opportunity to assess the report and see what types of potential costs might be involved and the operating system if you feel confident with it then we would get positive votes from each board of selectmen that are involved and then to move forward with the proposal because the the study not only would assess what's going on in each community but would also sort of paint a picture for us to follow and an outline for the communities if they wanted to participate so the final i think us joining it would come back to the board for your approval as the leaders in the community thank you if you know what well presented and i support it is a good idea well thank you very much and again hopefully i'll be able to update you should we number one receive the grant but more importantly when a consulting firm is selected to do the study and as the results of the great actually bob you many can help me with this this is a letter that i read this letter well i think what you guys have to decide that you're being asked by the business and professional women of massachusetts to consider joining them in equal pay day rights and jenny had raised some questions about this type of a proposal for the board did you may want to raise that your concern yeah i just question whether you know it's the proper vote for the boy to make in regard to like social our political statements and this is kind of a social political statement i mean i know in the past we had a  including trailers and things as it's part of affordable housing but that directly affected the town foxborough because if that legislation passed that would mean that we were actually closer to the t at ten percent that we were required to to achieve but that like i said that directly affected foxborough but this is this i think you've got to be really careful when you when you support things whether they're political social or because you don't know how other people feel about it you don't know what the ramifications that you don't even know what they do with with all of the things that they collect so i just i just don't really kind cautious about putting my name on the towns approval on on anything anything of this nature so that was i raise the question with bob is this typical that we get requests like once in a while i don't want to join you said in the fall we get small businesses and you know the fact we had a gentleman from the small business association in a town parks office yesterday offering assistance to people come in to start a small business in town when they have to file a  doing business as a to fit with the town so he gave us some pamphlets and things to give to them and some contact information so again it's nice to help them out but it is that something that we would want to officially do as a know we figure we have about from month left of work to complete the revision of the bylaw and then once that's completed then we would bring it forward to review with the board because this would be an article presented by the april twelfth two thousand fourteen from eight o'clock to eight forty five second discussion calls in favor all right and i hope it doesn't rain i don't think i've seen in years since i had  seventeen again boy scout troop seven is inviting us to attend a new york court of honor on may twenty ninth two thousand and fourteen at seven o'clock at the bethany congregational church and this is for thomas donnelly  dollar gift for the purpose of the donation is to assist in the funding of the restoration work in the civil war soldier on top of the moral hall and this is given by the father historical put a warrant item on the warrant to approve the establishment of a stabilization fund for southeastern regional and a parent lee they haven't done this before and the plan is not that it would immediately create a need of the town to give money into the fund but in the future they will be looking to set up a stabilization fund like we have for the foxborough for our own budget purposes so with that with the fact that you voted to close the warrant at the last meeting you have to vote to open the warrant to include this if you thought it was worthwhile and it may be something that can be put off to a town meeting vote later in the year i know i saw mr unit is here and he may be able to give you some additional information at the southeastern technical school school committee meeting oh march eleventh march eleventh a few weeks ago we voted two thirds majority to establish this stabilization fund for capital purposes  as many of you probably know a substantial renovation of the school has just been completed and we expect to use this for we will be using this fund according to state regulations for capital improvements and like here in foxboro increasing our chances for better bonding rates those sorts of things it shows a stand it's a sign of stability why i came here at this time i can explain there are nine municipalities served by southeastern regional vote tech of which fox four was one and we have about one thousand students going there right now where our town is about one percent of the total school population but we do contribute money for those students to be at that school in order for this stabilization fund to formally be created it has moved past stage one which is the school committee approving it which we did and now the participating communities the nine communities will be asked by their respective forms of town government to approve or disapprove the establishment of this fund by a majority vote ok once that vote let's say assume it goes through the fund will be established and managed according to state law if it fails we don't create it if it passes we do it because we have nine communities they all have different town meeting schedules or town council meetings or or the like so our recommendation here was and in part this was mine is well we have town meeting coming up i know the warrant was closed but why not communicate with the town and see if we can you know get it in the war it certainly needs to be discussed further if you want to end tomorrow night at the advisory committee mark morris will be be presenting the entire school budget for the southeast invoke tech which is about i think twenty three million dollars right now for this next year and we can learn more about it then and there as well but if it goes in the warrant it can still have more information or again as  said it can be put off with timing is a good issue and was so close to our meeting it was worth asking respectfully the board of selectmen to consider putting it in the more most heated market the better idea probably is you can be discussing the warrant in a little bit later in the meeting that you continue this as part of that discussion if you decide to vote included in or you can do that at that time so you've all capital projects handled right now right now they're handled with the monies that we get from state grants or that we have with e m t access and funds and or we have to raise an appropriate the money say for example right now at southeastern  regional our track needs repair so do we want to save up the money to repair it or appropriate it presently so likely for the track example the money will be filled in the account and then the track will have repair so having morning type of you know fund will help you your planning process yes exactly and again the uses are prudent for capital expenditures does that answer your question i mean is there going to be no no additional impact on the sourness the town's a bit suspicious that you're going to be directing the monies into a fund which you can accumulate and then dispense for logic projects yes but i think i'm going to qualify a question if i understand it there will be or may be additional costs to the burden of the foxboro compensation to the school because the stabilization fund ask of the communities cannot it's exceeded aggregate of five percent of the total school budget but for example in foxborough our contribution would be something along the line of two or three percent of what our normal payment to  i do want to qualify that for anyone that might be paying attention at home to this would be concerned about it is fox sparrows contribution wouldn't be five percent the ask of the communities would be five they're probably up against the wall with a warrant as well you know i don't know the exact schedules but i do know that it's sort of shifting sands right now in that there's not a clear straight line the no community a is this in may and june and july or anything like that there's no new year in the spring the town's whole the town meetings and there are elections the cities like brockton is part of your group right correct so i suspect that they have their elections and things in the fall because cities not one of those people in favor of hearing and then voting i have no problem with this marinating and going through a thought process or close and due diligence that the b o s or any other groups in time may want to do or paid officials you know administrati n so this isn't an appeal to please rush this into the war this is more of if it's convenient and proper and prudent for the board then it would be nice if it goes ahead and if we have to put it off and learn more about it or get a better if it gets there so when you are up against the wall as far as getting warrants to printers write such so you know i think you can i know it's really been a another oh yeah we know it's really tight so if it gets pushed off it does and it will be for you know a good reason reports of that it became clear to us that we needed to have completed the provisions of the community policing plan the chief has been working on that with the with  the stadium but that community policing plan will not be completed until about the end of the month i did not think the board would want to approve the settlement agreement without actually seeing the document that's going to be attached to the settlement agreement as a the specifications for the police substation those haven't been completed nor have they completely an on where we are in terms of those several documents i did get today or yesterday some questions from the board members of the board and during the course of my discussion of the southern agreement will address those questions cindy will address the entertainment license and dave the liquor license so with that that's the entity that pays about i'm told by randy checking this out about two million dollars of taxes to the town but they will they'll construct furnish outfit and equip a substation  location that they've already figured out with eddie and by equip they'll be in the substation specifications exactly what it is we're  getting the radios that they will equip the police with will be provided in the first place by n b p and then the business agreement is that replacements will be done by the time the other equipment that those items so that it is not yet worked out the substation can be relocated but only with the agreement of both parties so any any relocation has to be agreed to by the chief the question came up when it gets relocated what's going to be the nature of the substation and since every quiet is our approval at the time i think it best to wait until then if it happens it may be if we simply said it will be what we have now that may be inadequate you just don't know and so i'm comfortable with the provision that says a relocation requires the agreement of both parties that is the police substation they've also agreed to pay for the personnel costs required for command officer officers all details and the additional cost of four hours for a police wagon as part of the community policing plan that's the document that hasn't yet been  completed but that the concept to which they've agreed is that they will pay the full cost of that annually and the parties recognize that that cost will very  likely go up every year but the commitment is to pay that full cost as it increases from year to year the stadium asked for a cap on that  on told them that would not be acceptable but we what we will do is explain to them hardly amounts of calculated and at the end of the day the chief has the authority to require whatever police personnel he requires so that's the way that will work but i don't have more specifics on that because we don't have the plan one of the open items on the community policing plan provision we bill for cost and how it gets paid i've been working with randy on that issue and i have asked him to get in touch with the person at the stadium that's talking to jim about it because it seems to be beyond my ability and jim's ability to figure out exactly how it's going to work so well that it's are if i get out in primarily from n p r and i'm that person and you are prepared to to work with the town on the billing process for the community policing to the licensee spread out based on a formula so you know whatever that number ends up being in that whether it's a cap number or the number that's  been proposed by the chief actually he did propose me and amber for what he felt was the adequate policing component you know we can figure out how to divvy that up so it in the town can properly bill directly  to each of the licensees a page of plates in there even i told already today that whatever we come up with in terms of how the the payments we made it work with him on it by him and certainly rely on on randy's expertise as to how he wants payments made and attributed to to the budget the will be a provision in the supplement agreement that says that a breach of any of the conditions of the license is a bit of either of the licenses will be a breach of the so many agreement and a breach of the settlement agreement will be a breach of a condition of the license so that one of the methods of enforcement you'll have if there's a breach of this as a supplement agreement will be to take action on the liquor license  the entertainment license the number and i'm of the agreement of two thousand and seven that's the agreement that provides a hundred forty thousand dollars a year for another four years i think that is unaffected and by that i mean those payments will continue until they're provided for our terminations you know i think it's four years but whatever it is we're not changing that agreement that's five years i'm sorry  beginning when splitsville either opens or receives a occupancy set certificate whichever occurs soon they will begin to pay us on a monthly basis for the cost of one additional police officer we have agreed that the cost first your cost for the officer is is one hundred twenty five thousand dollars they understand that this is the the the requirement to pay for the police officer will continue to saw long as there is a police presence needed at patriot place so that's as long as places open yesterday police officers and is that based on the two thousand and seven to the cost of the no no the number the number of one police officer when additional police chief later maybe you can answer that that maybe there could be an adjustment to move there's nothing in this agreement that would require to pay for an additional police officer except to the extent that the chief determines that more details are needed now for rob police in patriot place so not to confuse two things the community policing plan itself is going to vary in cost depending upon the number of venues which have liquor licenses and entertainment licenses and we want to put this in the agreement depending upon the the nature of the events the number the length of the in the hands when they begin when the end what the experience is a is a peaceful and something really bad happen that requires more police that so it may be that that more detail work is needed up there that is covered by the agreement but this one additional police officer is one additional police officer what will vary jannie is the cost for that officer the one hundred twenty five thousand dollars is the cost and vehicle ends the last three years so it's one half or one third which is one six but all of those costs are built on that and that's the cost schedule that will be using go forward as that  so the yes we're adding one police officer but the details are not being kept it's just as many details as the chief feels you know down you know necessary down the road ok know questioning the equipment so again i just want to clarify on the community policing plan that that is detail ory that that cost will be of a detail nature mean a detail additional use of the latter it's all in all of them are details i'm sorry the command officers are also details you know i haven't made that distinction they'll be paid for whether they're part of the  don't think of them in terms of the detail someone who's patrolling the premises of the venue or any conduct of an eye but that's a person that's going to be in the substation as i understand it that's a detail it's fine but it will all be paid for by and if you and all th that i said i have to have been working with randy on until until we know exactly what the plan is is that i'm having a little difficulty these details are going to show up in the community policing you know well and i and i will be live that those are the numbers the numbers are going to come back to support that the what's in the agreement kind of summarises yes regardless if it's a detail or if a full time officer you are mixing up the payment all the time the police time officer that's pay or it is an entity who gets licensed and then the state statute that we've adopted if there's a failure to pay we can revoke suspend licenses failure to pay would be a breach of the liquor license ataman license and i'm adding things to that simple we're still negotiating noshing out the terms of our remedies in the event of a default and a default by the way this is being resolved the fieldhouse license is going to be transferred and there will be no fieldhouse license they were concerned that in the past they've had ten or twelve events at the fieldhouse same issues that you've considered in the past when looking at a field house license but i can't said that you granted or not granted you don't know you don't have the application i would suspect that you'd be satisfied to licenses are permissible for beer and wine for for profit but not for profit in my memory is not for profit and you can issue a one day all out the hard sell yeah yeah i think we're you know the end by the way it's just by statute thirty per year there permissible up to thirty per year and right up to thirty per year so there may need may need to be some form of reorganization if you will of the applicant depending upon how the applicant is presented to you as a for profit not for profit and to may actually govern whether and to what extent you can issue all alcohol versus considered well the thing is i don't really or i don't want some other entity to come back and say hey wait a minute you're giving how can you or you know how come you're letting them if it's a you and in case it's a nonprofit applying  where in terms of timing ed thinks that he can get the community policing plan completed by the end of the month and once that's done i'll pop it into this agreement  suppose may be permitted and what not of might if we did nothing further with the provision as it's draft i'm not saying that it just want to point out to you that if it's know make it consistent across other venues whether in the town or specifically a picture place we have between toby keith and me and showcase live obviously in this sound as most that you know penetrate out in the dems an inter with anything today so maybe that's a consistent way to approach i'm just looking for clarification it was just extremely vague and you have some i would say that was the can get that was a condition that was part of the application that they suggested and we kept it in address excessive loud noises from bad music from radio eccentric but it's a very broad brushes you pointed out joe it doesn't refer to any anyway we do not have a specific noise ordinance in this town so i don't know how you can force those my question i don't know who it was there for a reason and it obviously speaks to some kind of as the version you've saw before there were a few comments from both conversations with the stadium and from some of the board of selectmen they were not particularly kept the substance of the condition which is that the occupancy well not be any greater than eight hundred which is what the board required similarly on the legal occupancy capacity for the live entertainment area we looked at what was legally allowed and the maps was five fourteen again we verified that with the area and most importantly is the entertainment license condition that limits it to four hundred persons unless for some weird reason they reconfigure it in the building capacity is less than that so the institution of what the legal occupancy for those two areas was included but the important thing which is the restrictions the board imposed at the last meeting has not changed in the application which is that they will have no drinks menus drink specials or other out food and beverage promotions that will refer to how at the moment that was what the applications said they would be willing to do and that's really the subs it's a put the board  sign outside that says how the world will exist simply just going to be how at the moment of change i believe the signs will they haven't seen them when jim was here at the previous hearings they talked about there being some signs saying how over the moon entertainment but that it would be a splitsville sign with reference to how the moon entertained and if the board has substantive changes or comments on this particular condition and i'm more than happy to celebrated in the commonwealth and we wish to them and they would be new year's day martin is king jr's birthday washington's birthday patriots day memorial day independence day they were day columbus day veterans day thanksgiving and christmas basically is a steady event day shall mean any day where any event for which tickets are sold admission charges or any other form of payment or renumeration is charged for the use of the stadium is held in addition to that in the case of events which are held both within  without the stadium itself those events which are held fifty percent or more measured in gross area used in the stadium shall be considered stadium events and that's from  ok going back to the community policing plan we had talked about chief o'leary having access to a consultant to help develop and i'm sorry yes they will pay for that so know the concept of community policing is important and the agreement to support the consultant will make that happen i wouldn't want to slow down this agreement by having ed under pressure to develop this plan without having had the time to be able to spend and have input from him and his staff with the consultant he could use you so that you would not want to slow down a poor processor because  we have the restriction that no one under the age of twenty one should be permitted to sit at the high tables when i want them on attainments offered or be in the area except in connection with a private event or an adult i don't even think it's adult only in a private event the live entertainment area admission to that area is going to be regulated using best practices and in conjunction with  the police chief we had instead of limiting it to bracelets we were serious like we had before we expanded the language in specific and it depended on what the police chief thinks is the best way to  night other than as previously set forth without approval of a town one day entertainment license so outside of that potential one hundred eighty four days couldn't have howel unless it was a one day entertainment license so all private question that a private event would not be stipulated by one day i mean the any public open of the public event beyond the days stipulated would require that but i don't think it was intended for a private event to require know i'm an advocate for one of the laws that's for every private event that they want to have that was not stipulated any until then we have some confusion but realistically jon how many if they're not going to offer the public what's the point of ha g it just doesn't make any sense to me i think it's going to if you want fight between them maybe you have a better idea well i mean we don't know i mean they they they do private events and there are other sports fields but i think just the process of going in for a you know and from the board a for a one day entertainment license when they have an entertainment license for a private event to seems redundant and you know burdensome to to everyone i mean most private events i would say were not very large i would think from what i would understand they would be some of the size of thirty people team building have been from what i have been seen in the presentations some can be larger but most of the companies are coming together just for basically an outing  you know some of team buildings thing but i mean that we do have a walk to do appear i don't know if i want to be bogged down every every by every fifty you know right now you already have stipulations you know they're now up to thirty you know if you having a corporate outing of thirty people that defeats the purpose of the hour with the minute taint yeah we need to see what he said the other night they actually need one person probably five square feet to generate that party atmosphere so if you're going to have a private event obviously you want to have it is dense as possible well i think a private event it could be as little or as or as many people as necessary to make the event itself worthwhile business standpoint so i don't think they're you know they're there they could have a thirty person or fifty person one hundred person event in that how entertainment area but if it's financially feasible for them to put on the show you know if the number of people is really you know direct correlation  you know rock radio station in boston decides that every monday they will have a private event at splitsville slash how at the moment in foxborough come on down that would be that would be a price you know that would be private event that w know it's an invitation only you know i mean we just we're just trying to make sure we cover everything in the things that coming into our heads we've been reading about this so i mean i don't consider any question foolish are you know not proper i don't think that should come up under conditional weapon because that specifically says that how at the moon entertainment on be available to the general public on any night other than those that five in the previous  could other entertainment venues be available because they've got a contract with them i'm asking questions here but i think there's another possibility for private events and that would be a bowling private event have nothing to do with with how so have the venue has multiple uses for different types of entertainment and different types of events so you know whether they use the stage for something other than how well that's that's possible could be a comedian could be you know something you know electrocute from you know from from frankly school forming arts could be on that stage you know i think there's a lot of optimism of options that are necessarily always be how the moon but as far entertainment component to splitsville it could be possible that they have an event with a charitable aspect to it and it's a local you know a local group that is performing or doing something and some level of entertainment i think that's seven six five four are all directed to how to move so there was another entertainment yes offer i regulated that's banned all these conditions it would have to be a private event well that's the other question i have because given the public events are you contracted to use the  what i just want is the reason i mean what we're looking at right now is the reason i used entertainment license that we just got a little while ago this is a little different from the original entertain license conditions that within the package because some a language is some of the language is a little different and then you have to wonder why was a lie why was this word change why was that why is this taken out why was that put in was one of the questions that i had how come you know the bracelet isn't mentioned in the now it's called as a practice and you know i'm just i'm just trying to explain that what we're looking at right now is different from the original yes and in transparency so everybody knows what's going on and that's why we haven't the discussion at the table so questions are going to be asked that we're asking questions i'm just trying to s cindy and dick and david about again my whole thought is plan or stand that you know there is the intent to develop a community policing plan i understand that that involves a consultant and that will take time my goal from the beginning was that whatever policing happens picture place is in the format of the detail only that the taxpayers not pay for benefits related to the policing of the area so knowing that that's the direction that it's going as long as it's the details in the format that develops with  progress you know in terms of the the final version of what this is actually going to look like it's going to evolve over time you know our most recent discussion talked about that you know there's no question that we can be there at a point of pressure testing this community policing program well in advance of splitsville opening so that we're not opening splitsville putting pressure on on the community policing program that he's developing so you know to say that the the program will be fully defined within two weeks you know there's the consultant is going to be there to work alongside as we go through this process is that it's not going to be something that should be done in two weeks in terms of the rolling out the checking the pressure testing that's going to be required to see if if what he has proposed will actually work we you know we have a pretty defined number of officers he's gone through all that process but how they act how they interact with the tenants in public and paid to place is going to be an ongoing education process in which the consult will be part of that and again he can speak to  remark for that in the you know the best practices from other community policing programs should be documented in front of us yes and he has and he has done that i mean these provided me with a draft of of  where the offer for to provide a consultant came from from you know n p p it's a timing thing and putting a consultant place and you know within the two week time frame we're talking about here is is it's obviously not practical that piece of the element i think having the community policing plan that has researched and feels comfortable with certainly is you know a possibility within the next couple weeks and he's very close to it already so public safety needs and so you know that there's a commitment that this is going to happen yes with the help of a consultant and if i mean hypothetically if the consultant work is not to the saddest that you know if somehow it doesn't come out the way the chief thinks it could work then maybe community policing whatever that means doesn't happen as was originally perceive but the continues to be the work done up there needed to maintain public safety in whatever format the chief feels is appropriate so i don't think we can lose in that i just don't want community policing picture place should be independent of the you know the this particular splitsville absolute enjoyment and that's really what we've been talking about and i are working towards something that you started last fall yes right before snow so are you saying but i don't want to see happen continue to happen and i understand we've got stuff in the package but we are also invited to give comments in the pan at least to council and i think that's what some of us or all of us did in the patently so i think cindy did a nice job taking  the stuff that we got friday updating it with stuff that we got today and then coming in and telling us what the changes are at some point we're going to put pencils down where we're hearing a lot of you know what if what if we had private groups what if they had weddings and how do we control it at some point we've got to stop going back and forth and say to the attorneys you know we have had it for two weeks now we've given the comments we got it back if there's anything we want to change let's do it at this table so we're not going back again over the two weeks and getting something else because i think there are some good concessions is some good give and take and there's been a lot of work done on this but if we keep looking for the worst case scenario the sky is falling we're never going to get done this has been going on since november so unless there's something understand and we're hearing it but i'm also hearing we're going to e mail more stuff back and forth if if we've got stuff to do it let's just do it send it over and try to get it done for the next meeting and i just don't want to keep going on and on like this when you hear the discussion at this table you know it's very different from when you as an individual that's all we can do is review this and send in our comments but then when you hear the discussion other points that others bring up you know that starts getting your wheels in motion i think march has now been rescheduled to the twenty second of april with the idea that if you come to terms on the settlement that would resolve the other matters before the a b c say i also well provided  and i apologize for the delay in getting to you the the the document which i can consider to the be the the conditions of the the license transfer and change of location that's been proposed i also gave you tonight a little bit of an update in that so make sure that i'm not in conflict or that there it's in sync with the terms of the entertainment license provisions you'll have time to consider that as well email that between each of you so you'll have that it is by and large boilerplate taking most of my guidance from other licenses that have been issued here in far as well as your existing rules and regulations for  alcohol license holders and then in addition some of the particulars that came through the hearing process i've also proposed as rescue missions of the the law the transfer of the license apart from the entertainment license so you because i think people at home need to know and there's a multitude of people there watching and paying attention and yes my god this feels like having a baby it's taking our label drug through our writing i mean more so i think if you could just some to be in the same situation but the others we really haven't made any headway so they may not you know action on maybe to i'm right but he you still vote that you support the article d in the article fifteen's the opeth i called sixteen is to expand the chapter ninety funds on highway repairs and so those those are all ones some language of town administrative or human resources director is just a clerical change and then the other one is a change under the cover a lot so it's a legal matter that the language should meet what the but the ramifications of putting replacing on a new straighter with human resources director two totally different positions why are we doing one so the other because we didn't have a human resources director before and that's why it was written for time in a straighter which is now top managers so we can tell how long as it's been changed ok but now that there's an h r director this change would allow the h r director to perform t for the no new personnel the unionize and then the majority of the personal wage by law would not really be in play but there will be some even even be some could be a small number of employees so there still will be a personal wage fight but then you would have to it doesn't make sense to change it now until you know the status of those other employees what you know the status of those employees then you can make the changes that you need to make to the  changes that that we discussed earlier does make a difference what the status is it's just there were certain things in that by law that were going to be that were going to be looked at and tightened up that was the expectation get a guarantee or at least a promise that the personal way and by law will be reviewed within a pretty you know pretty soon because this has been over a year that these things have been i will tell you that you had asked cindy to do that and she was in the process of doing that met with her committee several times received a lot of pushback from members of our own committee especially when the unionisation happened process but they are all funding to complete the master plan which i believe is due to be completed in fiscal fifteen is a correction that's correct this is money that was voted last year that we did not square and we're asking to have it re it basically what's happened is they have existing lines but there are some pieces of title ownership where they don't have the easements they need and they're going to be what they are working on the union loop but the area that project because it is a benefit to legislation just to get into a program where it doesn't have to go out to bid we have a power options program we're already a member and we've been dealing with a company negotiating some terms for a net metering credit agreement that would allow us to get credit against our electric bill and their plan is to you know under paragraph one process no because this statute did chapter one sixty four section one thirty seven allows these kind of energy deals as long as it's they've already been vetted out through the i g is power options company  so the project already has meant that it out by the i g so we're allowed to under this statute because we're municipality get into these deals so vendors already been identified yes  splitsville settlement so i know there's been some concern maybe that it's a little premature and you know get your feedback whether or not you think it was been detached from th long time right right you're absolutely right like i said i want them to be separate and yeah i know i know but i don't understand why the understand that in order to help development of the downtown once the sewer comes in i mean that's all part of the master plan but also we need the we would need liquor licenses for the down strictly for the downtown area it's actually and because it takes time to do the legislation i think it would be would behoove us to do this at the may town meeting get the process going for the for the for the was held sometime in the fall i think would be better just this is a huge issue reshape the town maybe not for the better but i have a real or right i would like us to discuss the petition for a liquor license for the town i was talking with someone from water and sewer commission that said looks like the i m a is in a great place right now and mansfield's town meeting which will be coming up around ours same time as ours they do we'll decide whether or not we're ready to sign it and assuming that it's going to go the way they're projecting it will go then we would be in a position to look at starting to potentially sell some parcels that we have queued up through the town asset review committee like in the center of town for example and having liquor licenses available for that process  you can be getting the work licenses and put them in anywhere in town also tell you why i think that tying it to you know tying it to the plant in the master plan we've talked about you know there's development being discussed in fox field plaza we talked about downtown you know my understanding that mr greeter mr wind builder coming to your april first meeting to discuss the master plan in general the downtown it dench with liquor licenses and well it is well at that suggested number and then i just needs to be tightened up so says that you have to vote tonight on these worn articles so that we can get started with them it doesn't seem like this one's really ready yet it says outside the sites containing developments known as pay to place in just that green know specifically mentions the areas they are trying to target otherwise you know i think as mark said it could end up anywhere with everything that's been going on with splitsville and how i think if this question came to the town meeting in may do we want five not licensors or six or seven i think is going to be no if the question came to them with a plan that says is is ironed out in mansfield now we have sewer we've got fox filled field development we've got two licenses over there they might move to the town center while that's under construction then we would take these and put them over there you get the sewer behind us you get the planning board coming in and presenting it in a logical way i just don't think we can do that by may and to get it to may i think it's going to fall apart unless all the boards work and it's going to start with the planning board explaining to us about the master plan and i said in those master plan meetings a year ago and people put you know dots where they want to see things and where they want to open space there is a logical process but i think if we rush it between because we're starting with six twenty six is too except chapter forty section twenty two g which allows funds from handicapped parking violations to go into the use of the foxboro commission on those funds for individuals or their budget or right correct so staff or anything else right now finds just going to the general journal for health care market it's a good idea john motion please ok i move that the select then support article twenty six as written it's like a discussion i just want a curiosity is this is that advocacy group coming forward with this or is this the planning board or is so defaulted subdivisions in order to expend the bond money that we receive from banks and others now we have to go through town meeting appropriate process planning board would have to come to you for we go through the temperature meant process get required estimates are written bid reassure that we've done that correctly and then come to you and ask for permission to enter into a contract as opposed to waiting until a town meeting and then explaining to the town meeting why we need permission to spend eight hundred dollars on a bench or whatever it happens to be so worst case if the money was sent back prematurely and the contractor got his money back but the work wasn't money to complete the subdivisions they call it it's like a more the contractor walked away in the town of stock be the finish as written and so the second discussion discussion i'll say you know this is sometimes a little bit painful for sharing blogger bill a lot of us to go through this  normal time and there was not a provision to find them or whatever so this is in conjunction with the personnel work that the craft group and bill is borrowed from the mets field  they have over at great great words whatever they're calling it today this into effect last summer we brought it up we didn't put it out there was a handshake agreement that we would there was but it has to be voted into the bible and all that yet you know they were very amenable to this so it was in the end actually similar no sorry we missed that one this largely comes from a project that jennifer thomas was slightly there related to mr larry thomas  did for a class at brown where she looked at existing scenic roads nobody could remember why they were designated she took all the attributes put it all in a g i s and said what other roads in town meet the same criteria and generated a list planning board went through the list and looked at it in addition there's some housekeeping changes we can adopt rules and regulations and the general law has changed minute lee so we now have a little bit to the bylaw what we did for cross street in a fall is we notified everyone who lived on the street that we were proposing to designate their road as scenic route we will do that as well and not move forward with any roads that the majority of residents object to the designation but we haven't had the hearings yet though it's interesting i was at a planning board meeting about maybe eighteen months ago and it was a project on my road and i mentioned that my road is a scenic road and members are plenty more on and off is that they actually had to go and get the book look it up and show up but then there was some confusion over whether or not you could all you could you could modify anything that wasn't home property for instance a stone wall or tree and i still think that there's a lot of confusion around it be in other words if it's not if it's private property and still modified you could indeed change the character of the right community we have no w jurisdiction under the scenic road act to impact private property there are some historic districts which have included the landscape as part of the historic babbar but by and large the scenic  and hopefully people that buy a house on that street value that those after buttes but if they don't they don't laura thank you daughter for doing this it's a long overdue pub does this impact talked about this a little bit last week the d p w in their budget when they have to maintain work around things like that and a raja had brought it up well there's mergence the provisions that there's a storm they're exempt from they have a blanket order from the wetlands  the conservation commission and they're exempt from scenic roads but routine d p w work they would have a scenic road hearing if it impacted public shade trees for attention they would have a joint hearing with us public i worked in dover and every every road that was not a numbered state highway and was built before subdivision control law was a scenic road and i had crazy cops out issuing non criminal disposition tickets c sherrod you know and i get these which is in the process of becoming legislation in the state as mr develops noted mr hill provided comments on this is well basically it says that when we think about  streets we will think about all modes of transportation walking bicycling driving cars driving trucks providing public transit if appropriate we recognize that every street in town does not have a sidewalk and every street in town probably should not have a sidewalk but certainly within the downtown there should be continuous safe sidewalk network so people can walk certainly within the just not green area that was designed as a walkable desperate neighborhood there should be a continuous sidewalk system that's safe and convenient to the people that live there so this is a policy that would be put into the general bylaws which states that about construction i think routine maintenance journey is is a street project is construction reconstruction retrofit maintenance alteration or repair of any street but it does not include minor seal if you repave the street it would apply right you would then evaluate whether you needed to potentially upgrade facilities it may be as simple as making sure that the grates on the law and they put it in a format so we had before where the police regulations were one run on sentence now they're actually numbered and it actually looks very good and they're doing the same thing with the zoning by law even though that was done  just a few years ago now they didn't change that a lot on numbering but they cleaned up a lot of the things they've made some housekeeping changes and so we owe them a little bit of information by the end of the month but then it should be in a format where it can be accepted by the town meeting and then it would have to have to go in front of the a g s office again for them to approve it but they would improve it  approve it as a whole rather than piece by piece of did we have this did we approve this a town meeting two years ago it was approved landing the funding for it was approved two years ago but now because the it's reform that they will post on our site online services are going to be able to go on to you know be able to do like a word search and we will do all of that and they really come a long way and even in the last two years when we first hire them about a couple conferences where they've shown some of the stuff you can do on your phone you can look it up do a word search it will take you right to the chapter and all of that so it's really come a long way and it's going to be updated annual basis when they when we make a change like any of these other by what changes they'll be appended to the back of the byelaw and then at the end of the year they'll insert them all you know there's obviously a cost associated with that  language on marijuana dispensary these as you know the state voted a couple of years ago to make medical marijuana legal and so they now allow for medical one stop shop the a g s office instructed communities that they cannot prohibit all together that we had to locate a reasonable location it couldn't be spot owned you know it had to make sense the planning board worked very long and hard on this and think they've come up with a good bylaw we worked very carefully with the police chief on the security plans regulate lock coverage and rest tensional districts we do a non residential district in the amount of a lot you can cover by structures pavement and other non pervious services ranges from seventy to eighty five percent  the planning ward looked at the fifteen thousand square foot lot district in the forty thousand square foot lot district felt that a forty percent lot carburetor six thousand square feet was appropriate in the fifteen thousand square foot zone and that twenty five percent or ten thousand square feet was appropriate mortie thousand square foot so this would have likely have very very little impact on conforming lots lots that are that big the people it would impact are the substandard preexisting non conforming lots require them to do some recharge and get creative when they cover huge amounts they're  lost and the purpose of this is to keep it you know for you know the purpose of this is where groundwater dependent community and by you know when you start to pave every lot a lot rind a lot line there's nowhere for the water to perk  so we wanted to make sure that just as we've covered a lot coverage and nonresidential districts we felt to be equitable that needed to be included in rest until districts as well can show you increasing the size of the structures with this under the mass general laws we can't restrict the size of structures ok but you're going to get to ten thousand square foot foot they are way below the ten to twenty five percent and we felt that these were very generous numbers and would allow people to make good use of their property without paving at lot lined a lot line i think  if you want if you're going to bring up i chose same sentiments and i think it's an over restriction for residential and if the intent is because the ground water is in filtration systems infiltrators stone and pipe that you can require that if they go over small my opinion i go around forty five you ok with that so if you want to amended to forty percent i mean the board wants to change to for example how do you feel now i mean this is a i wouldn't change it's a just leave i mean i'm sure the article thirty four in its present writing second by lorraine all those you a little memo last week in the general business district drive through these are allowed by special permit they would not be allowed in the neighborhood business district which is just that green there currently special permit planning board not allowed highway business allowed to planning board special permit general unlimited industrial i believe the planning board is going to go allowed to some planning board special permit and also  one a loud planning board special permit this is a direct outcome from the master plan which really the masterplan downtown strategy laid out a vision for foxboro center a vibrant lively length the planning board made the argument that general unlimited industrial do not include very much retail they were hard pressed to think of what sorts of drive through she would have that were associated with a limited industrial use but in the event that the world changes we should allow for it in the planning board thought that that was a reasonable idea so it's my sense from the meeting with the ad that the article may have a substitute motion to allow to p b special permit and limited in general industrial but as written it was allowed to not allowed plan things that correct it is and it's a whole list of uses having to do with the downtown it's the brewpub article it's the downtown zoning which is modeled after the chestnut green incentive zoning thing still do the underlying zoning but this would allow mixed use as a right you can change between the uses as a right makes much more flexible and easier for business owners to respond to market conditions the other changes having to do with the design review district making sure that they have some teeth that the planning board has t their recommendation unless they specifically cite why not and tell meeting two years ago journeyed without dealing with the planning board zoning articles and somehow there were three streets left out of the downtown design review district those three streets are added back so the planning for it with respect in respect for town meetings time decided to combine all these pieces into a single foxborough center zoning article they could have put in the drive through but they felt that people either like them or don't like them but people everybody seems to love brewpubs and design review you only get the wrong food you go through the drive yeah well but you always go back again sharon i noticed in the mix use project no change we felt that there were some special permit uses which we should still keep an eye on and night clubs and dance halls currently require a special permit and we felt they should continue to require special from it is by right what would our town eventual look like the only way they can change to take advantage of this is there is higher design criteria and the very last section of this article has to do with nine point seven plane eleven criteria for a review has to do with the materials the appearance it talks about respecting the historic fabric being sensitive to the historic buildings the districts nearby and providing you know something which is in keeping with the design so if it looks like it bits and foxboro center do you particularly care whether it's a business or an office or a home or something else to drive by it's going to look like you're going to look the look and feel i'm just hoping that we don't evolve into a white boy right well this this is requires a higher level of design in order to take advantage of the mixed use and likes ability and uses so that it's not going to be blight it's going to have to be a lot better than what you can do as a matter of right in order to apply for this piece was trying to write pushes up early and course the planning board you plan review would always come into effect should the change be material or drastic they would come back before the planning board for additional review like the section they put in there on a pre application meeting to come in before hand talk where we're really trying to do that we're trying to do department heads meetings to iron out issues so that it's transparent and replacing with the new five point four non conforming single family residential structures remember last year mr goldberg mr caspar rewrote the whole non conforming section to track the numerous changes in massachusetts case law and it permitted the nonconformance ease of over twenty five percent if it's under twenty five percent he come to mr cassatt bear and he makes findings that it's not more detrimental but was over twenty five percent he went to the board of appeals and they were required to make a similar finding this replaces the finding with the special permit which means the planning the board of appeals excuse me needs to make a finding but they can condition their approval so instead of binary yes or no it would be yes if you do x y and z and it felt that it would be much more accommodating to past year and there was discussion of cleaning up the language to make it clear for so i was headed here and that to share and pointed out is all that was required for the board to do to recall which yeah it's up or down and that standard is is hard to deny i mean the house next door might be right to the street you want to go almost to it so is it more detrimental probably not this will allow them discussion i've let me start if i might might have meeting with both mark and jim to discuss this the other day i raised it with jim from the very beginning that you know i'm all in favor of you having the child safety committee and doing everything that they need to do to educate the public but i do not think it belongs in the general by law as i indicated to both of them that there are six or seven committees that are listed in the general bylaw and they are there for specific reasons either because they deal with big budgetary item like the cia committee or the statutory in nature like the historical committee and the of recreation it's a very limited number we have somewhere in the neighborhood put of fifty to seventy five committees in town and none of those other ones are listed in the bible they think it's for a reason and so my recommendation to to both of them was that do whatever you want with the committee you know set guidelines policies and all that but it does not belong in the bible we  committee started to form did a lot of work and this is the goal is simply to address the issue of the lack of awareness and lack of action regarding child sexual abuse to reduce the opportunity for  something as bad as happened in many towns decades before so it's we're not going back into investigations we're basically bringing awareness into creation so the committee that we formed the board selectman formed there were seven people and i think it's important to know though the level of the people council of aging and human services bob korea who was a member at large and linda walsh who is representing the private education and social institutions so these people have been working since we have pointed  in their goals and objectives of stated in its it is a little lengthy it's two or three pages but where i think it makes sense to put it is under section four so you look at the other section the other appointed so the town by law has two sections  it's the elected officials and the appointed officials so this would sit side by side with the historic commission the board of appeals the council of aging historic district commission permanent municipal  building committees the constables registered lanse of a are in the board of recreation i see this committee as equal if not more important than some of these boards because it represents a lot of our past and more importantly it represents a tremendous amount of our future so to not put it in the byelaw especially what's happened over the seventy's in the eighty's and going into the ninety's to foxborough you know i think there was a tremendous mistake back then and to repeat it by not giving it the respect that it needs to put it in the bylaw to give it longevity in the credit that it needs i think that's a mistake so i'm asking the board it may not fit into the exact square all round pegs in area but i think it needs to be here and i think it needs to be here for a very long time the board of selectmen can come in three or four years a different board and not appoint them and it goes away by keeping it in the by law nobody can do that unless it goes to a town meeting so that's why i think it's important to be in a bylaw and then up some people have been patiently sitting here if you want to hear an update of some of the stuff that they're doing to kind of put in perspective i know the cha have ownership of this committee you created it your it's your baby and as long as you know the board continues to appoint members you know it's up to the committee to keep it going beyond that  you know even if it's in the bylaws doesn't guarantee that it continues you know the i did happen to run a different splay and i asked him about it as the moderator he said absolutely not doesn't belong and i  said do you mind if i bring that up to at the meeting and he said by no not at all because so he's saying the committee doesn't belong in there or the write up anything in the bible he doesn't feel  with the distinction between this committee and another one you say it's because it's state does a state mandate that you need to post in there are a statutory but recreation statutory historical commission the c i p because it's dealing with large but the budgetary items that have to be dealt with every year and the permanent municipal building every time you construct ability you need to be involved in that project so that that's the nature of i mean it's two three or four pages of what it would have compromised with something like this this matches the language and i read it that's in the bylaws already ok so it's basically under section four you can read it but it's not going to change my feeling i don't believe it belongs in the bible outside of the by lot do it do whatever you want but i don't know when i'll let you read it jim one question are you are you concerned that future boards of selectmen will at this with a real way yes because i think the committee is doing a fantastic job and i think we're going to get our arms around it and it's going to be addressed and then over time because it's address it might get forgotten and it's going to wither away what i think is a good compromise is read it very brief there shall be a child safety committee to consist of seven regular members with the mission to raise awareness for the prevalence and circumstances in which children are being sexually abused and promotes simple and effective ways for the public to be aware of risk factors and educate to reduce the opportunity of abuse in the town of foxborough the committee shall prepar annual report submitted to the board of selectmen for its consideration and approval committee of members to be appointed by the board of selectmen alterna alternately the term of three years and put a footnote one that references the goals and objectives that we have in the warrant doggle this is less wordage then the majority of the ones that are in there but i think of higher and higher of the pork higher importance of some of them that are in th so i think it makes complete sense to me other than the understanding that it hasn't been done before and i think the reason it hasn't been done before is the reason that we have to do it right now  economic the meeting approved the attorney general could strike it down correctly and i don't think that's the worst thing because then i would take it i think we would take it to the state and change the way that the state does it because i think we're we could be leading in this the state legislators and that's another reason why i want to i'm really running for the board because i want to make sure this mission gets completed and i hope for the board support it and i used to muse and i know everybody in this audience happen is exactly what you mean you said i want to go state legislation i want to petition the senate and then do that and don't put it in the bible i mean that's like i said anything outside of that but i don't think it belongs in the stocks and i get this elevate this discussion to a level where the legislature they propose it as as an issue that should be adopted in the state would love to do it through the legislature and i think if it gets to and stand but to get to the level of legislation turning attorney general turning this down my argument would be if we think there's merit for a permanent building municipal building committee to be formed in an hour by a law that looks at the bricks and mortar how on earth could they say that looks at the  safety of the children less important than that to be in a by law so if the permanent building commission for the bricks and mortar is not mandated by the state but the town thinks it's as important to put in are by law how can this fall short of that so i don't think it's going to get to the attorney general for them to strike this down it would be the thing you we had the bylaws of public intoxication bylaws a g said no you can't do that preceded one nine hundred seventy five certain your committee trying to go on a different path which is fine we already have reporting requirements removed police fire it's all statutory and you're trying to you know bring it deeper than that i get that but when you when you put this  here and now you're creating an obligation on the town because you're referencing the committee and everything in the committee does have somebody drops the ball there you creating another legal liability that does not exist today and i think that's i counsel and he will give us a you know his opinion on that and we've discussed that but the thing is you need to take the next step i don't i think this discussion needs to be held at  the whole town not just settled here at this table i mean it's just it's up to thank you so many people in in not just from the town but you know we have to be the first community in masters new england to come forward this because it's yeah it's not the attorney general's issue is if it comes down to the law i think that's what it is part of it's a liability to the town that if someone doesn't report if it's a teacher or it's a wreck worker or if it's someone under there are in there are already mandated by  i just don't much sure you want to create you want to you want to use the wrong vehicle to get there you know it is my my my my my point in this discussion is that used to the right focus the right struggle in this but but i think if you if you really want to be a leader in this issue you can do that without having to go through that i think that you know the message you're getting out is a really good one i know sure that all the it's a great message but don't put yourself in a position on i think is the most expeditious way to get there passed be made maybe safer but in the big picture it's not going to accomplish what i think needs to get accomplished in this town in the maybe some liabilities along the way but sometimes i know you just don't throw every committee in there and i'm not i'm not going to minimising what this committee is i really not but if you look at the nature of the committees that are in there they have historical statutory or financial reasons for being an that's what i think they should state ok ok but then secondly i think by putting it in there you're up you're creating a liability that is not exist today if the committee were mandated by the state if it of it you know the devil's advocate the legal requirements the liability issues you know he's not going to let you walk into a fight not being armed and i'm telling you you're creating a liability one that doesn't exist face when you deal with this so yeah is that as long as there's an open discussion because there are liabilities for implementing it not on everything we do there's also liabilities for not having it and you know a good example is next week this committee has reached out to just about every youth organization in town and they have an eight summit darkness to light so they're reaching out to one hundred two hundred people i don't know two hundred people going to count those two hundred people lisa going to be more aware so something might not happen if this committee wasn't here so and bob i believe you're doing your job and it's tough to say no to this because it's such a hot topic but i think that debate as long as it's on both sides and it's going to go back in history and it's going to go to the future and we'll see where comes out into executive session to conduct strategy sessions in preparation for negotiations with nonunion personnel or to conduct collective bargaining sessions or contract negotiations with nonunion personnel united steelworkers f l c i o c l c police union grievance