with my new computer when i tried to print the in order to see the agenda it comes up small on the screen and i can't make it any bigger really yeah i have to talk refuse normally once we close the store we pay him seventy five dollars a month to store our display pieces and stuff which is fine he has offered to let us be yeah i'm doing work in five hours over there in eight minutes here i did that meeting last night from the t v and i thought they were kidding when they said eight minutes it was eight minutes on the who for are you ready ok so i would like to reconvene at the south bronx and city council meeting of monday september eighteenth we're on i don't that that was item four is instructions on exiting the building in case of an emergency case or emergency tonight we ask everybody to leave by one of these two doors here back out on the parking lot and gather in the lot behind us if those are blocked go back out into the main lobby and out the main door and i will be responsible for making sure else with the nine eleven ceremony over the park and as an extension of the community around as they did at the v m c i was invited to be a m m multi mini interviewer for the learner medical college so i received training on that two weeks ago and then saturday i was able to interview seventeen michael college applicants as part of a team of like twenty five people so that was my way first time it was really interesting and when opportunity that's when they are given a problem and they have nine separate interviewers you can take out biases and bad days and things like that so you have a better understanding of the candidate through this interview process than they have the correlations of data to  bites and it was awesome it was mobbed tons of cars there very little parking great food vendors great  music it was so exciting i totally missed the six thirty part where we were supposed to stand and i thought on the bandstand so i kept looking to see how many people were there i said i didn't see them so i missed that part somebody so we have to find holly so when i found always you when you missed it and i said i hope you had a good time no thanking the volunteers in the community the bucs were very nice to receive that was a nice piece and i think everyone that was there had a a great time when we look back and see all of those evenings and city fast and most are like i think we are top of the heap for the so i had a letter in the culture sun published about a week and i have two weeks ago not really rebutting anything but just again making the argument for the regional governance topic i did attend the s p v a mixer i went to the nine eleven ceremony and i also ended up thirty seven bags to spear street my two daughters and i know one student on that street so he's my years and i keep the tops on him and i actually ran into one bernard sanders while walking around east terrace it was kind of funny so bernie was taking a walk on the bike path their rental or whatever it was the day before his birthday cruise was my daughters were ecstatic and tomorrow is the c c t a day long annual retreat so i'll be spending all day tomorrow talking about buses  the library board of trustees position is that it should not be used in any form or fashion for the transitional library we have presented to them that we would propose to buy with those funds would be items that we would  here at the meeting last week and also into the summer of next year which was a very nice event the steering committee is scheduled to meet on tuesday the twenty sixth at seven we have a motion and a second so there's no further discussion on signify by saying i i post moving on to item number nine meetings agreed to join the climate alliance that is an initiative that many communities in the state have signed on to in the wake of the decision related to the paris climate accords but we had been talking with our director of planning and zoning for quite for a number of months about other initiatives that the city could be taking conservation and efficiency and also generation but there is a much broader spectrum of issues that any municipality has that demands a more focused view on sustainability and tom and i began a dialogue with paul probably back in may during review staff review and he was instantly interested in pursuing this so i'm very pleased and appreciative to introduce think this is a opportunity for the community for us to i think put a really robust framework around testing itself against for future generations and so it i think it's both an opportunity to put a label or an umbrella around the amazing work that we're already doing in areas of water doing and the mental health work that has been so prevalent this summer looking at all of this together and then applying a as i said a framework to it something that we can develop a  data driven and something where we have a measure by which we can look internally we can look at other communities and what they're doing both within new england and around the country  and evaluate ourselves year to year how are we doing what progress we've made on all sorts of different areas as well as give ourselves some way to measure the areas where maybe we're already doing really well and to evaluate and to see where we need to be putting our our our eggs in future years so i think it's a tremendous opportunity i'm really excited i think it dovetails with the amazing work that this community has been doing the last few years and we're going to get rock and rolling where we've started communicating with various different partners the regional planning commission i have received some contacts with university of vermont from various different offices there that i'm going to be reaching and coordinate them in aggregate then to connect the right people one real quick thing i was just up at the water tower and that room is being conditioned air conditioned to sixty nine to seventy degrees i'm under the impression computing equipment could be running at a higher temp saving us energy and being more sustainable so i'd encourage us to think about that policy except think we could keep that room at like eighty five ninety degrees and it cost us a lot less electricity and might be closer to the outdoor temp as i mentioned though that once everything is up and running it's going to be considerably warmer in there  for the energy committee to help you in any way here absolutely i think i think that the energy committee with the the work that they've been doing for the last few years in the georgetown energy prize as well as their efforts in transportation and other groups afford to live here we're not a sustainable community by pad natural resources i think i think this is really going to touch all departments and committees i do think that the energy committee is probably going to be one of the very projects that we spent some time looking at this summer and we're going to be excited to share some results with hopefully in the near future is the where our revenue sources come in as a community and where our cost drivers are as a community especially out in the physical physical community i was and the pleasure of having as sitting through a presentation by a gentleman by the new  really talking about land values values for acre per acre where communities around the country are able to where they're generating their resources and where they're expanding their resources physically thinking about a community as a total number of acres and where those cost drivers are and so we're doing an evaluation of this across the city and at the same time we're looking at what is a how do we think both to us sidewalks water lines roads etc not as gifts but as liabilities because we're the ones who thirty years from now need to repair and place them and every year until then we're plowing them and so we're we're really looking at carefully even today when they say an applicant comes forward and maybe they've been discussing with neighbors and they say hey you know what of we were to exceed the cit standards and put sidewalks on both sides of the street in some cases our standards are one sided street in some cases market street or dorset street that is a no brainer makes absolute sense in other areas if there's not going to be a large number of homes that may not necessarily be a gain for the city it's a it's a complicated discussion but it's an important one because to go back and then double up plowing and both sides  safely get to where the sidewalk is by at a certain stage crossing points it may make sense to not have to be everywhere all the time because it does place a financial burden on us and as we look to how we best serve through plowing or other that's that's something we need to look at seriously similarly in in just a couple of years ago in our regulations we were having some discussions about where does it make sense for example for congress care facilities to exist they're best served not only for the residents but also for  city as in the fire department and others in areas that are on our major transportation routes within accessible places of the fire stations for instance because it allows them to get there faster which is good for their health for for  lives of the folks who are there it allows the residents to be near public transit which is good for them and importantly for us in a physical perspective it's a lot faster for us to get there and so our ability to serve via the fire department instead of a ten minute trip which is then occupying that equipment and personnel it's a shorter one and i think that the discussions that kevin has had around what's happening right now in mental health is the it's the same question that is that the areas that you want me to address there's a lot of room for for us to think about how to be a smart community that makes really efficient use of the taxpayer dollars implementation program where doing some a little bit of internal adjustments but writ large i see this as being very complementary to the work that we're already doing and  knowing that we have the cabinet in the city manager's office behind this initiative so that as help is needed from various different departments to provide the information to have the metrics that that this reports from committee assignments are there any i don't have any for channel seven team next time we meet you will have some things for your retreat and we'll have a another meeting we have one this and you identify yourself ok so do you want to come up to the table jacob and please give us a moment trying to get to it right yes ok so welcome jake and you were interested in the planning commission as i understand it and just so you understand the process we're interviewing everyone tied to last night i believe and we may or may not make decisions tonight or down one person and these are all pretty important decisions so we may put it off or we may be able to get through tonight but what i ask you some questions ask you to if you have any questions for us and then when we go into executive session we will discuss  then let the public know appointees know so that's what may happen tonight or maybe in two weeks or right to i'm sorry for putting it off so to get back to you you did identify some of the skills that you thought you would bring to a planning commission we typically ask i'd like to see south burlington kind of in the future and help with that development of of it moving forward live in south philly and for let's say probably eight or nine years now i'm a native vermonter so you know time bowling centers so we don't seventeen locations in ten states and i oversee all the food and beverage operations so i'm you know kind of travelling frequently to all those locations but i do things like menu development training  frontline execution all the way up to you know planning out construction projects working with a lot of different minas have you mean municipalities and with health really regulations as well as some of the planning of the building and so we've been doing a lot of construction over the past five years i think we've spent about fifty million and so we've done some large scale projects and how those all tie into  you know my my focus is obviously food and beverage but how those all it all tie into the city and the county and the state and kind of working with all those development pieces of it and that's what kind of intrigues me about development review i guess the development planning commission have noticed and you know there's a lot of you know i don't want to get into a kind of a debate but you know i notice there's a huge focus in south barely ten on pedestrian walkway areas bicycles and the ability for them to safely access the road and i feel like there's a lot of work we can do to kind of make the two mesh together a little better a lot of areas of south burlington have bicyclists on the roadways which is it in my opinion isn't necessarily the safest place for them to be in doors either they want to bicycle which i think makes a lot of sense and i'd love to see them be able to do it safely  a different introductory contribution or i mean i would say that i like anything in that in that realm of development review type of like something that that is d i feel like some diverse opinions might be helpful and perhaps some help moving the meeting along a little bit would be helpful because it just s that are you aware of the commitment that's involved with the planning commission the amount of time i talked to paul connor about ok and you feel that you're traveling for business or whatever would not interfere because the meetings are on tuesday nights that would i mean for the most part i would say that that would be you for any questions for us or think we should have asked you know you  today ok i guess one more thing i can add is that you know one thing i've learned certainly from my work experience is that you're never done learning so you can always continue learning from people that are around you so you know there's a lot of there's a lot of things that i think as that as a committee member or even you know you see yourself as city council members you probably learn something new every day or something new every meeting so that's something that i kind of look  be a part of as well you know i'd love to be able to be on a team that's you know looking at things and able to kind of direct the future a little bit of the of the south burlington community all right thank you very much state that there is untruths out there that some of the content of this reza of these points that were in the regiment original resolution are not based in fact i would love any specific examples so i have not circled back with him on that but i'm going to support if we do take a vote on this this notion and i would just welcome any specific challenges to these facts because i just blanket generalizations of untruthfulness as has been coming up at nights but i think you temper pulling this together meg n and if we do want to vote on it i will support it i know that you have and trying to find some mention that there were things that you were concerned with so i would be willing to look at those specific issues that i had asked specific questions but i was really curious and and found it really difficult to support the intent of the if you know and part of the reason is for some of the same comments from going to has a strong financial interest in maintaining high noise levels at the er i mean that to me is a subjective i mean i'm looking in saying there is nothing that stands behind that to put it in i feel that is that's that's not to appropriate i and i have a number of others i thought it was going to fact right well yeah but but when we talk about the the high intensity noise so some of the some of the wording in this is just problematic i agree that the governance of the airport could certainly be broadened i don't have a problem with that i have a problem with the agenda so i will stand against the agend but i brought out the positive things to the airport commission on where the city stands on a resolution and that i was not opposed to a broadening of that as well i spoke in fav about the plattsburgh report that are just not i don't want to say you're wrong but as you said you haven't circled back on some of these and here are quite subjective and i understand it was done with  good intent when you go out to speak to some of the other communities bringing a piece along well i'm sorry that i don't agree with everyone but you know what that's why we have five counselors we don't always agree but i don't want to do is go through every single one that you have a problem with work through and correct some of them and then still have you know because you know i mean i said there are some on here that are fine you know  looking at is these have already been as it stands here presented to some communities anyway now they have they have not i would welcome the airport specifically the aviation director if this was probably about forty or fifty on here thirty or forty or fifty but none of those have been presented to other communities this documents no not the document he says sand what i'm saying is if their items on there that i feel are reasonable i would support i'd also support inviting the aviation director in just to talk to us about the resolutions we passed including these points you know  he's visited us usually once a year or so so nice to hear from him we had other communities accept our resolution today now with all of these at least their city well yeah but about as soon as we can we don't get these too early either you know when they will you have this you've had it for a couple weeks because i know helen but i've had some medical issue i'm going to boston dealing with those i  airport director i mean because i read things i haven't heard him personally say there's just all sorts of misinformation i have read that he said that but i don't know what is misinformation i have some some of that from nick longo i would love that because it has kept me up at night i'll be honest with you and i've seen john richardson before the colchester select board and the well since like board that that tom is being untruthful so i would love some specificity to that claim and that would help if they are in dallas right now so i would certainly make for a better resolution because i stand by everything i put in this but i welcome specific this item item you know maybe we should number these rather than have bullets be easier number them and number five is erroneous i'd like to find out why i mean i can appreciate the one you cited that growing in a strong financial interests and maintaining high levels at the airport you know you can couch that with  maybe you take off the high noise levels and just say a burlington is a strong financial interest in maintaining the status quo at the airport it was trying to find actual interest in what maintaining the status quo at piece that maybe others are not as well first and yes getting the answers from the director not through me i don't speak for the airport well why don't we agree similarly either in person with specifics or probably better with a written pacific system specific concerns about the facts my in my attention then would be that we would approve this in whatever form changed or not at the next meeting because i think it is an important a dent to the whole conversation that's happening in other communities about how we if nothing more it shares how this council discussed and learned and responded to different items actions activities at the airport over many years not just in the end it was to explain my understanding was it was to explain to others why we have to vote on the resolution and why we came to the decision we did right so they have they know what the context to this and not just oh they're annoyed because of one thing so is that a fair enough time frame we put it any farther off it just is kind of silly that any pressing time to get this passed or just i would like to have it pass p so i'm saying my intention would be if we get any edits or when we get edits it will be before the next meeting we'll have time to review them we'll have a period of time to discuss them and and and then have a final draft that we could approve that night little turn it was just to make a motion no two passes the alternative is th of if you want to drag it out a little more and put a little pressure on getting some responses to statements that say it's full of misinformation but then you're not told what the misinformation is there are fifty four items on here which is a lot from the dent of the something that we had pared down so that we could have something we could support  fifty four pieces to follow up because there was a i took that as there wasn't enough in the original resolution well i took it  as helpful information to more fully explain how we came to the position of supporting that resolution because those are fairly broad statements in the resolution basically said they had not checked director of aviation on some of the items that they had a problem with even with that top item off there were other items on there that i couldn't long time before you get something back oh my anticipation with if we don't hear anything in two weeks then we'll move ahead because i mean we're still waiting on the m o u from the city of burlington just so you know right yes well he represents the city of burlington and that was three months ago so i mean i think it's certainly possible that we'll get nothing back but since they haven't seen it officially although i've got to believe they seen it but i don't know did you share with them pat  due to that but you know i look at this and say that if these are the items i can't defend all of the things that you have written here and i am opposed to some of them because of either wording or  implications of what is being said or facts that really should be confirmed by someone through the airport and not us bringing items out of that i would love for the airport to tell me where they disagree with these statements to enter the joint and it didn't follow up with chain you ever contacted and i'm not defending them i mean you know we have open meetings to me too and i've extended my hand many a time hasn't seen that and it way to my knowledge told me once that it's hard to respond to intimations you want he says we need you need formal resolutions from deliberat this it will be something that if gene prefers responding to something that is voted upon he'll have every opportunity and he certainly could take this piece of paper with him to other communities and go down the list of what's wrong rather than just kind of make a blanket statement that well there's just you know so many things that are inaccurate with this i don't know where to begin so there's no further discussion we're ready for them ok all in favor of passing this resolution with the item on the top of is a strong financial interest in maintaining high noise levels at the airport all those in favor signify by saying that any oppose post that we have adopted this with that one change three to one thank ok now we're just a couple minutes late but we're going this open the necessity encompassed compensation damages here and so we need a motion reduction first of ok certainly in the interim at that time i think there were four signed easement deeds with property owners four of nine since that one in early august we now have  signed and i'm happy to report that that's that's how far we've gotten since since then both myself dave ruined i want to blanchard have been working diligently negotiate terms and come up with  we have those all now so what we recommend at this stage there are still a few outstanding partial releases that need to be obtained to complete the right away project what that means is for completion for a final right away process in order for market street to be built we need to certify to the trans transportation agency that we have complete ownership hold mortgages over properties and those are fairly boilerplate fairly straightforward typically you're working however with large banks and it takes a little while to process you're not just calling up you know your local lender and and it's an easy you know here we go to fit complete that process as well as to keep pressure on them we are requesting that you continue this hearing until october second in order to obtain those partial leases and assuming that at that time right away will be the entire process will be complete zero nine at eight p m on this date and as further specified in item number ten of tonight's council agenda second the discussion all in favor we are now  i will now move to continue the public hearing on the subsidy and compensation damages pursuant to one thousand vs a seven zero nine for the alteration of the town highway right of way from market street parentheses to each dot number to twenty eight until eight p m on october second we are a little bit of head of ahead of schedule so we do the financials and start the volunteer committee interview at the right time we have a number of to report at this point obviously we're kind of right on schedule right around that seventeen percent mark both expenditures and revenues i'd be happy to respond to any questions and those financials but i think more importantly i'd like to share with you just the update from seventeen just more critically here we're in the process right now of getting the reports finalized to send out to department managers they'll be writing up their narratives and probably by the end of next week we'll be able to get those to you so you have those with copies of the report and we thought the auditors would be here next week but it looks like they're going to be delayed until about the first week in october  sales option tax doing so we had just as he's sorry in this financial there's just so a little piece from the one that we received in may i think around may tent period of time from may tenth to june thirtieth that number of days was attributed to seventeen and then the balance through i think august fourteenth went into eighteen  year and i think we get our next report in october that you should from the state whether the amazon sales tax is having any effect or they see it increased we haven't heard anything on that i know that our projection for the revenue from seventeen was lower than expected and that's from the first time and well since i've been reporting to you so that was that was significant was about an eighty thousand dollars shortfall between the rooms and meals and sales most of that was sales when the state collects that tax on their income tax form do that to some of it to remit it back to the communities that from the and you can file for a rebate on that but the local options tax you can when you fill in your taxes in your income tax you don't be paying this putting in the seven percent or the six percent if you're the president of south carolin not there's so many businesses that say such and such a burlington but they actually are in south burlington sheraton burlington you know them and just to make sure that for peace in our own minds that we can be assured that everybody that should be paying the local access tax here is but the other option he's pursuing is the amazon one we're also looking at hotels you know in the hotel tax people that make or making online reservations  hard to trace but anyway awareness don't just just to find out how we might be able to have a little bit more influence over the process so we're we're trying to do some homework with the department of taxes to get some of those questions answered so you're thinking right where we are i just this thing makes me so mad because you were the stuff of the internet and they don't charge you tax right and you and you amazon says oh you know we're going to start charging tax and then remitting it back to the communities right in the states and then you ask why wasn't i charged tax on this thing and they go it's not our problem to third party sellers and you go but you promise so i mean we're where's the benefit you know to these taxes are supposed to be paid if they're not collected and if they're supposed to collect it you don't know they're being limited you know what i've asked the state is or i just have i have very little faith that we're getting anywhere near what the truth value taxes that were supposed to be o based upon the transactions that are occurring on the internet and locally more so lovely lovely but it's probably pretty good but internet wise i mean there is a siphon going on of income for communities all across the state in other states in the nation charged a tax does that tax get back to south from i think if i'm not mistaken if you put your amount into amazon right now and it says vermont it automatically comes up i think  six percent being addresses so i'm pretty sure it comes up a seven percent is a come on they calculate the tax yeah that's their job and guess what computers make it pretty easy to do that you know oh well we may have occurred to something kevin and have that responsibility when they're not being charged with it when they're not paying you specific right it's just an enormous amount of your work on the individual to the back through all your credit card things and decide oh did they charge me this seven percent or not and which ones and so i would welcome from feeding me there probably watching as well i think it's not that i think it's the onus is on the consumer at this point right to make sure that the tax collection is happening you can't find out where the state actually gets it but what the consumer can do is report back to the state that the tax was not calculated it was not placed on the order for amazon and you can feed that back to amazon by looking for the for the feedback link so i would urge everybody to just bombard amazon with why did you click the tax thank you and just to be clear the collections part of it is are all resides with the state and the state provides the would be important just to get a sense of meaning of the business as you say your corporate head or what offices in burlington or that they get in the tax week and they are being basis you pointed out as another area to being explored well you're so tall when you get on the soap box are there any other questions on financials ok well even though we're ahead of schedule we're going to start the volunteer committee interviews so the first one we have is linda  volunteer for food shelf and cops lifelong gardener coordinated community gardens for twenty plus years so you've done a lot already actually in this community with the gardens correct what drove you to that versus maybe next resources as i feel it's important to invite people to participate in community activities whether it's recreation you know and there's many facets as i look at the first brochure it's really incredible but there's so many individuals who do not and you know people say and i walk five miles a day and they're like why do you do that  but it's just the idea of engaging people and i think our parks and rec and parks program here is really quite dynamic and i know there's probably more to do  we appreciate your interest thank you very much thank you very much for was only gone for six years moved back here with my husband bought my parents house raising our two children here so for us i mean i've only not been here for six years of my life but we use the park so we not only use the parks for recreation but we use the parks for athletics we use you know just enjoy everything that has to do with it and we also are very we utilize a lot of the programming as a family so for me it's not just one part of what we do it's kind of everything in the big picture so the ring the perspective of an active participant in lots of things as well as appreciating the mission and the goals and a little bit of the younger blood and you know i think a lot of times when you get communities you do have a certain demographic and people that can give the time and even though sometimes it's not always easy i do make the time to make it happen so i was encouraging to have people come back one good thing i have to say about it is i would come to the end of my street and i don't even have to look for traffic that's not allowed on a high school and it was amazing and i was like wow i really am going to mess this up if you go across the street you don't have to look for traffic but you know to way but you know yeah you know then i had to deal with all the rest of the streets but you know at that part that was nice reflective of the flow ten years ago when we backed up no no other than you know just general but nothing no basement plotting or anything like that well you must be excited about the former dumont park breaking ground there yes very very soon yes that's amazing finally making progress we'd love it ok well thank you very much for your continued interest  to the planning commission it's a big job and it's sometimes it's probably feels like you're trying to get all of hurting the cats into a decision time be responsive to the public being honest with both ourselves and the public house that long something might take us to work through because there's always a lot of conversation and we really want to make sure things are  the comprehensive goals plan goals and strategies and think about how that might influence their work so it's been it's been really nice to have kind of an extra little bit of help coordinating between committees because they've been extremely valuable to us in kind of extending the amount of time and people power that we have so i think that's one thing that's been really you know i think you've done a good job as you've seen different things around the community they're planning really kind of past those honest questions are things for us to look into and i would encourage you to do the same going forward w many more people reach with our questions and discussions i haven't thought much about it but we do have another issue that eventually will get to you that we had to deal with last time and that's about taking over making good decisions ahead of what might happen sometimes hard you know because that's just a little more time so i think one thing that i really liked about the question is that it has stayed very day and a lot of different perspectives and a lot of different  felt like it wasn't quite enough of a difference and then with paying taxes  accurate yes ok so what's your background and you know contributing time in and around here actually not at all i moved back to remind eight years teacher leader committee and i would and i actually saw the ad i think in the other paper and the little magazine that you have out now which i really like yeah i like that life isn't that great yeah i do i think it was in there that said committee assignments and i thought oh why not and then i couldn't get the p d f to work for it went to school started and printed out mail it and so yeah i thought i would i recreation second place is natural resources oh very close yeah yeah definitely i mean i would go where i'm needed i basically the bike and head i'm just i'm always on my bike out there and very i love it and you know i know how hard people work to make a city or small town run so yeah i would i would just like to be any other questions anyone has or anything you think you know i don't think so because i heard all that you're very knowledgeable people who are up here before me   richards this week asking us to appoint to the technical advisory committee for the noise compatibility program but there was a contradiction in the letter and i wrote it for clarification so that the contradiction was at the beginning of the letter he asked that we appoint one person to the technical advisory committee from south burlington but then later in the letter he says if we want to keep helen and paul and he and carmen are you know george george george call me actually he said carmen and george representing on the technical advisory committee as we have been representing the city on the sound committee that would be ok too so i wrote him back and said which one is that i haven't heard so  assuming that either is ok what is your preference or do you want do you want the same for people just kind of transitional on the sound committee may continue to meet at some point as well   as the city council or perhaps a city manager with some sort of words written for the other papers to try and help assure people that this is the right thing to do and that the that the board is on board as well and that we're trying to resolve some of the more minor issues like how we're going to fit out the space and things like that but i think we need to have a direct communication or with that means a city council corner over night making his writing has written the one for the next week and she sent me a copy and as i recall not all of it but she talked about i think to basically two things the library and then the road construction on heinsberg and marketplace so i think  she did a very nice job addressing our process and how we came to these decisions and what the issues are but i don't think one council corner is necessarily they are in favor and this is just a small step to a new library so as a community we can really get rolling  reassurance that this is the correct thing to do you know the financials you know there's a little push and pull with the high school i don't know if that's consequential or not but you know if you look at on paper we're spending less initially i mean at least in terms of going with but things like that but i think primarily a lot of people have a hard time of change and this is a very big change if you're used to going to as s to go to the library this is a very big change so and to how do you deal with change you communicate communicate communicate and you say why we're doing it you say how we're doing it and you say how things will be better because it's a transition to another  so i just want to say those words and make sure that we we do as much as we can i mean if the space is available to be open do we want to do it pretty open house than by the public to come and look at the at the space and meet with city council there and show them where the parking is you know on that underneath the garage on the first floor show them how easier a walk it is there because once you get people talking about some of the benefits i think the word will spread that it's it's not a bad thing at all and i feel like the idea of an rights and some asked why and so on after you start to talk with people and you explain things to them i think the attitude starts to be oh well that could be very you know beneficial to us having covered parking and what have you so forth and i was delighted and in the conversations that i had including at a nice chat with jennifer and there's excitement about the move and i think it's great i compliment her on the idea of people having six weeks with books out statement of support i think to be very meaningful to a lot of community members i know they're volunteers that have a lot of time but i just know that would go a long way to pandering to the process or maybe i am but i thought i thought the article that appeared in the in the other paper was was very comprehensive and that the great thing that the council did that night is you took both actions so you're approving of the lease for the transition if you done that and then came back three weeks later and two two meetings later in the purchase and sale very mike that were really confused but as it was reported to both and so you can see the transition in permanent and we know where we're going well i think there's another item too when we talk about the finances and the hit on the school that they don't get ok so it's not a sixty two thousand dollars hit right then the other sort of i don't know balancing act that the city hasn't complained about but isn't was another cut to our budget is apparently the afterschool programs have been displaced i mean the city run ones have been displaced by the ones the schools have organized which is wonderful it's their space and they've created these yet they have parks and rec department had anticipated and budgeted and so they've lost about thirty two thousand dollars i think it i income expected income now we haven't come to the press and complained about it i'm not complaining about it now i'm just trying to sort of balance the dollar figures that people locked out fo perhaps other reasons and just sort of so the facts are that it will not be a sixty two thousand dollar hit for the school it will be the following year it will be the whole thing but they will have space and i would hope that maybe we can encourage and maybe a committee meeting we can have the dialogue so you know what are your plans for the space they could make it a really positive thing like we're really excited about this space this is what we're going to do we never could do this before so i mean i think we need to work closely with the school department and the library board and certainly the community in terms of the decisions we make and you know i think it's always hard to change is difficult and sometimes you haven't been paying attention or you haven't heard about her you haven't connected some of the dots and it is like how did this happen i mean sort of the same people like this business we clearly need to reeducate the public all over again about what their financing is because we did it once and they passed the first bond and said yeah go forward with it now we're going to another one and you know you read the neighborhood watch and it's like you know this is my time or we're going to be bonding for this and bonding for that and my taxes are going to go up and you know what's the impact on the education fund and you know just sort of the questions even though we had answered them once well i think we saw that at our last meeting really need it was lengthy and i think there was a change of attitude by a particular say i have had several people say and a recreational facility right and they've kept inquiring about that and i said just allow us to get through these things school department and if we can work through that then there is space for the part i believe that will happen i think so yes you have some thoughts come up to the mike and i know you're concerned unarticulated that the public needs to have more input so can you think you like tim's idea of an open house but what could we do to you know generate some corn or twelve i was still here i i know it's still here  barber service south burlington resident live in summer with a patch and wrote my biggest concern was that this was not transparent and my experience having sat through a lot of your meetings that is that this council is pretty transparent and you don't spring things on the city what i think i heard at that meeting very late at night was that the library trustees were told that they were not supposed to talk about this i think that was a huge mistake and it meant that the word didn't get out and they are some of the library's biggest advocate and they could have done a lot i think the city council took the brunt of the sort of negative stuff and i think if that came as tim said communication communication communication i think if it had been different and my biggest concern is as we get as you were alluding to as we look at the tail and we look at the center that we want to make sure that we are as transparent as possible so that that continues forward so my route might be used to she was that it was not my previous experience of this council and that the way this is the way the city works in terms of of information and all of that and and my guess is that if that i may represent because you talked about bikes and bites and places like that and as i talk to  i think my my one suggestion would be besides i think open house is a good idea is there a way that you can do something about parking around the holidays can you set aside the  that are reasonably close for the people who have mobility issues because there are not a lot there are some but the accessible spaces are not necessarily right near that entrance and so is there a way there are a  couple but there may not be or they're sort of spread around by all of that entrances so could you maybe create a couple of extra ones at least at the holidays so that people who have mobility  issues are more assured that they're going to be able to get a parking place well we certainly may i mean that's a conversation i guess with the but and we can certainly try but that's just a thought but i but i do think barbara we could have  in printed form whether it's an ad in the other paper or next so blue issue but really have some graphics that show here's the library here's the door and here are the six you know handicapped parking areas under cover here the ones that are a little further away but and so people get a sense of how far they're going to walk because i mean here they can drive in and they see the door right they know how far they although when when school is in section there's their parking challenges there on some days doesn't bother me i walk but i'm concerned about bad weather and i'm also concerned about you know moms with kids trying to get in there and they've got two in tow and it's snowing and yeah and it's holiday time so i don't exactly know but i think if you could address that as you're looking at the open house and maybe do the open house early enough that none of that holiday stuff is started yet people would be able to get there pretty easily so just a thought at least in terms of it's really the communication piece that but parking clearly is one item for communication that would be important to really so people graphically see it because they mean i mean some people don't even shop at the group that's true you know no idea how close it is i only know in the parking garage because it's pouring rain and i don't want to be outside so i just find a covered place where i can where we should have  necessarily about this episode to speak as related to the library but there's a there there is a challenge when you are negotiating a real estate deal in trying to do it as best you can to be open and informative of the public and still negotiate the best deal for the public with the owner of the property in a competitive environment there are other in this particular case there are others who want to space  recreation department and nobody knew about it in so i think it's just it is it isn't as i think you're right but this council has dedicated itself to transparency and being open the reason there's an exemption in the in the open meeting law for real estate transactions is because it's recognizes something a little different could be but could there have been a discussion over here before before you got it down to your last two or three choices that just sort of said we're going to begin to look for an all term cure the challenge is in the library so instead of saying we're looking for another space saying here are the challenges in the library the school needs it we need we want to make sure that it's accessible we want to make sure that we cover all the things for new library but this is really becoming a big challenge over here so that might have opened a conversation that wouldn't have said i'm over here doing this that i can't talk about but it would at least let people know that there are challenges around the library or around around as if you can't use the little meeting room because the high school gets first dibs on it and if the library wants to do a program there but the high school needs it that doesn't happen that's doing it in a way that it doesn't point a negative finger at anybody it just talks about the challenge of space why i take responsibility for that that that issue then i suppose i've been  i started looking for alternative space for the library four years ago when i came in to this job and it's kind of been in fits and starts and all but it's always been there you know it's always been a discussion i've had with the library board and i think you know patiently we talk about it here and so over the years when i finally found something that actually worked i didn't i didn't think about going to the public with an explanation hey i'm talking about were necessarily but here's the reasons why because i wanted to i wanted to get a deal done as we could be in before the holidays and get the deal done so that we have the space and so  i take responsibility for that well it's just i think the library needs to take a little responsibility too and potentially they may i mean it seems to me they could have said you know we are negotiating a new space we're serious about finding a new space and the city manager is negotiating one right now we can tell you where but we're go moving we hope and we were working on this i mean i think there's a lot of communication that i think you know you're involved in the issue and you were talking about it for ten years so of course everyone knows that the library wants to move  you know have a fundraiser and we're trying to raise money for that it's a it's a shared goal of the city council and i think the majority of the public and so were were negotiating or and that gets people going to but but but there could have been there could have been some public more specific we could've developed tonight he also had a little bit of communication have we could have had counselors corner the library could have put a letter to the editor saying these are the issues about you know with but but again i mean some of it doesn't sound all that high school but as we look at you have to be careful about that as well i mean i mean from where i said it looks like you know they're right so if they were not up to standards and you know health inspection quality that's the problem but to it about the future that there is going to be more deals will stay transactions i think we should think about our communication strategy so that when we pass these actions that we have thought through the rationale so we can communicate at the same at the same time as the becomes public so you know that's another that's another piece i hadn't thought about but maybe there is i don't know accounts or scorner or part of this library thing or somewhere where you explain what you just said so that people understand you were trying to get the best deal for the city and you were also trying to negotiate in good faith but that you it's protected by open meeting and these are the reasons that and so that could be another especially as we with all the things you all are going to have to worry about anyway thank you for listening oh thank you for sharing your concerns i think they're important and i appreciate that because we hi best and we don't always think that we do ok is there are there is there any other business ok we possibly can go into executive session for the appointments we want to wait till megan's here so i don't have all of my pages with the other folks from the notes but i don't know if you don't know i m that we have just the well i think there's the planning commission has for me is really just feel for i mean some of them we need everybody you expressed an interest in maybe a make sense if you wanted to wait with m on the wait until we have a full on and it's not mandated that we go into executive session do we feel comfortable with just placing all of the names that fit the number of opening spots david crawford to be the third yeah he's on it now this is natural resources are three openings and we have three people laura williams lindsey bryce and something is no that is not so much maintaining and we do that but it's it's the sale of record keeping up plots who's planted where so to speak and those sorts of things we have to cemeteries one by the airport and one and so on or under charter or ok sexton's all right we'll have to drum up some interest but can we agree on those three for natural resources ok let's go back up to a fourth then we have two slots and we have to interested that lindsay really what we're going to put on the other so well that's right so we'll just appoint unable to participate in that interview yet a bike accident arab winter and he's in the hospital for another two weeks and he wanted to express his interest in continuing to serve but he was unable to and so we want to make sure that bill i would hate to take him off even though he's been hurt you know one two three four five and they need four ok so laura william why don't we skip that the d r b we need to head to apple can smart and fair and david person so let's go with them energy committee we need four and we had we have one to three interested so let's put them on that's patricia stratmann jennifer copeman returning and penny so can we put all of those on recreation and parks we need for and we have four people so let's i thought they also had a great appointed to the three year term and then the newest person on there to the one year through ok we have three that are running for the whole thing with the davao i wonder if the little red dots and or neat david for the three ok all right i'm going up to affordable housing make todd the two year were we also going to have lindsay brice serve on two committees or not probably not because she's young yeah just so we have a show an opening for fordable for a one year term and kind of see who else do we have what do we do for the library board to the right second to the right notes only carrier states make her one and then the other just gave her one in the library and jennifer copeland make her three oh she's on she's on another one when we make her a one year term  know library board for a penny she went to the library board david crawford did i miss the number of years on wrexham park and we haven't done that yet we haven't done natural resources either they're all one year term i thought it was just he didn't want  and we skip the city charter