issues and the arguments in the case and i would just like to invite your honor your honor some questions regarding the issues in the case and the arguments presented well i wish that you would address the credibility yes your honor spencer your honor our argument is that the immigration adverse credibility when he went through them he said they were collateral matter to sensually he said they were not significant matters but then at the end of the analysis to be made an adverse credibility finding and so our as an equation if you will in these cases were so we argue end up as persecution doesn't exist is that we take to meet the personal experiences of the applicant  and then add to that pattern or practice evidence and add to that country conditions and we believe in this case is that that equation works out to a well founded respect to his testimony regarding his trip to canada for a single day first testifying that he went to canada for a single day to see the sights and travel and visit and has defying that he actually thought  crying immigration judge did as you say equivocate with respect to the centrally of these claims to the petitioners overall claim for relief however taken together the overall picture that these demonstrating general countrywide stright one must demonstrate that one is likely to be singled out for persecution and in the instant case the position was simply unable to make that so you really have to  that the immigration judge reasonably concluded based on all of the record evidence that the object of fear of persecution was not met that it was not objective only reasonable to fear persecution that he may have a whether the government is unwilling or unable to protect the ethnic chinese first of all their anti chinese flaws in indonesia that gives one a pretty good picture of what the saying that the police don't respond in some cases but past persecution and essentially even if one cannot show past persecution the applicant's past experiences plus pattern or practice evidence racist names it's what the insult if i may address the concept of what we would describe as family whereabouts the circuit has held that information about family members  that he says that in one thousand nine hundred sixty six when he was a child basically that he was called names and that he was bullied for money and this court is not held that such things constitute persecution he does not claim anything else occurred until thirty ethnic chinese there are other you know other groups that have property damage in the riots and this court has held that country watch trial a strike that's going on in our country why this case study why does not constitute particular persecution which is what that he was unable to attend services that his own church but he says that he did not do that because there were large crowds gathering for demonstration and so because they didn't go but that certainly does not mean that he was targeted himself or that somehow to persecution he wasn't targeted when you know that anybody who looks like he or she is chinese is going to  i think that i think there are two things in terms of looking this into the context respond directly to your question i think that while there is i think that while there have been some issues with people for the same with the ethnic chinese in indonesia he suffered and somehow warrants asylum and this case i would say that he has not secondly i cannot say nor is there any evidence in the record to show that what your honour's that the question you asked about ethnic chinese stuff and whether or not that is something that is petitions not shall cast persecution there was no showing the future persecution in that one he doesn't get a presumption because it was national press persecution and secondly any reliance on future persecutions undercut by the ability of this the fact that he came here in october one thousand nine hundred nine shouldn't be held against him in any way indonesia it's a country that is about eighty about a thousand miles from here it's very difficult to just pick up and