to healthy pets healthy owners i'm your host dr and so costly and i'd like to welcome my good friend senator cat carrier brought a lot on yammer thank you so much for coming on healthy pets healthy owners it is my pleasure you know i've known camera for many moons but i have to tell you what i find  interesting story camera was an actress at one time and a model and she was acting on a t v series from time to time called riptide right and i was actually this was in the early eighty's yes and i was actually an extra extra on one of the one show riptide course my little part was cut out although i was still in one scene at the opening but we actually most likely met each other in the early eighty's most likely out in california but then got to know each other here that's right that's right and that's actually strangely enough has happened with a lot of different people that i know back here in southwestern pennsylvania it is kind of weird how did the world's smallest well you know why because southwestern pennsylvania is a great place to live and grow up and raise your kids but everybody wants you know feels that little it's the little bug you know to go out to let's go to hollywood and make it big so there's a lot of folks that have gone out there you know i had had a great time with some little acting gigs or some extra work and they moved back home so you grew up in california i judge from california right and yeah i love it here and i always tell people western pennsylvania is beautiful just not enough sunshine for me too much rain as you can sign no today is a perfect hardship in recent years with with your husband bruce's illness and loss you have two beautiful children howard dante and they're doing fantastically well my daughter devon she just turned twenty five the end of august she did have she just finished a three twenty two in september and as you probably know through our mutual friend mike kodak whose son went to fourteen a military academy for high school my son went to andy's graduation years and years ago fell in love with the place and after bruce died after his daughter's dad died he said no i you know i want to go to fourteen military academy you know be away from distractions just focus and you know improve the grades and get to where he wants to go he graduated there a few years ago highest ranking officer in the school to tell you commander and then just finished his two years valley forge military college so he is back always has he's back home i actually saw i was talking to both of them but that's just the way he is and you know just ended up going to military high school and then a college and fit right in and loves that lifestyle and he'll be doing you'll be going to the national guard probably some time next year we'll start with that now you're out doing good and doing things that you wanted to do and being a pilot was always one of those things that was a bucket list item you know and after losing my husband he just turned fifty five after four your struggle with literally just and you realize life is short and life is extremely short so if you have a bucket list item something you've always wanted to do and there's any way to do it just do it just do it just don't because it's you know there's only a short window of opportunity where you have the ability to take advantage of opportunities that come knocking and too many times when you're really young you think you're going to get that opportunity again and again and again so many times it never happens again and you're not part of the solution then you are part of the problem that's exactly so don't sit back and complain about anything unless you're going to put yourself out there and make a difference and i found myself just looking around complaining who isn't any of you watching what's happening here in the house is being allowed to go on and what i mean by that is yes having grown up in los angeles and moving to southwestern pennsylvania thirty years ago in july can't believe that happened you know and realizing the the magic that is southwestern pennsylvania which is the ability for kids to grow up in the same neighborhoods as their grandparents as their aunts and uncles and cousins and just having that whole dynamic of multi generational years as a kid it was a dead end street and my sister and i knew three different neighbors just because they had kids our age seven and a half years you don't know the people who live in it in a sack so having you know moving back here and finding just really what neighbors really mean the true definition of a neighbor or community it just was amazing to me and then to see us losing that because we were losing really good family sustaining jobs people moving out all over the place because we didn't have you know our economy was was struggling the coal jobs were leaving the gas and oil industry you know at one time was a huge boom and then we were we see that exodus because you know because of a many a lot of different reasons but you know a lot of it's just the lack of of i don't know representation at least in the southwest and i think that starts at the top and we have a bad bed top absolutely and it really does it's a trickle down yes right yeah so there was a big undertaking where you were you a little concerned what can i do the the the running aspect of yeah of campaigning and so forth well to answer that absolutely specifically i was asked by some folks that knew what i had at you know knew my history in the southwestern p a area knew about my volunteerism knew that i you know ran drama club for seven a half years in my local school even with some of my kids weren't there just trying to get out there and better my community they came to me and asked me to run for state representative and that was only about ten days before petitions went out for to and some people don't know what that means but you have to get so many signatures from people you know in your party the say yes like iran well i had ten days i thought are you guys crazy i never even considered running before it was eighteen months after i lost my husband and my son was still in high school i said absolutely not first of all i don't even know if i can make a difference so ice ice and i haven't looked at it yet let me investigate but no not right now i'm not ready they came back to me a few months later and said we'd like you to run for state senate and that's two years away so i knew you know not to get obviously too political but i knew that my opponent was and i said yes i absolutely will run  me two years to just go to every single city council meeting borough council meeting meet mayors talk to people talk to school board directors just learn everything i could about every issue in this district so you were out there talking with people that are living their daily absolutely and taking in there from asia and then seeing what you can do to first i want to find out if i could make a difference and then when i decided absolutely i'm definitely you know in the thing that really lit the fire for me was when my daughter devon came home from her college university on a spring break and she said oh a mom one of my sorority sisters is going on a mission trip for spring break i thought wow that's great where she going to go is you know mexico or you know guatemala are some she has no missing which is the town across the river from our our town so so they're sending missionaries to you know a town in the modeling well and that was it when you drive around and you know you go to some of these areas they were yes absolutely you know what you're beautiful old times yeah with a lot a lot of potential a lot to offer but you know for those reasons you know i just fought really hard i'm not almost nine thousand doors when i was campaigning and i was listening to those people i was asking them what is your issue what's important to you i want to hear from you and what i was hearing from them was actually different than what i was hearing from the harrisburg you know political experts some of this is what your those were the committees that i asked to be on i requested to be on urban affairs and housing because they're so much a blight in my district and i was told a couple of times nobody ever asked to be on that committee i thought well that's perfect well but on a set it's weird to call me camera two so you know that's a whole other story so you have offices in the various areas yes and you're i think off you're in harrisburg so much of the time and then at these offices other times right abuse left to just suffer horrifically with mange all kinds of issues being locked out it was just a long awful story of animal abuse so that particular case you know things start to richard  who's a state senator that you know we pray is mom is one of his constituents and was right his attention so there were rallies there were press conferences and everything based on that law to better the lives of our of our the animals and protect their legislation to address that problem so that doesn't continue we're going to happen exactly ross exactly what's the problem is the process film i got it all depends it all depends i've heard some some legislator say oh we've been working on that bill has to operate throughout all of pennsylvania except for philadelphia for the last couple of years because here's you know technology that everyone is using around the world i think like i don't know sixty three country years or something i mean just everywhere it's very pervasive everywhere i think almost everybody knows what uber is they've heard of it so what was the issue in pennsylvania was that they weren't allowing it  to to take place so there was a temporary authority given for two years from the p c the the utility company something usually tell me to allow it to see how it works and if it you know if it's needed or whatever it just was a boom i mean millions of people have been using uber for two years but the problem was that at the end of this year that temporary authority evaporates it goes away but in philadelphia they weren't allowed to be there at all which has something to do with unions and so you know this is for the panel of philadelphia parking authority you know they control the cabs and things like that and there's an issue with medallion owners because if to drive a cab in philadelphia have to purchase a medallion it's a it's like new york in that way  so they were making it illegal for them to operate in philadelphia and and i think there's a historic fine that the p c has imposed on it were of like over a mill eleven million dollars for operating illegally that fines not going to touch litigated my bill has nothing to do with any prior litigation at all but my staff worked for over two years on this bill it's a forty five page bill we met with every stakeholder that's out there over and over again and there are many i mean it's not just hoover and lived in the yellow cab and medallion owners the pits of hell at philadelphia parking authority the p u c insurance companies banking i mean it just goes on and on and on and on so we looked at everybody's issues we had hearings we had meetings for a couple of years put together this bill it passed the senate with only two no votes almost unanimous last november so it passes the senate and it has to go to the house it's been in the house for a year and two days ago if it was just tuesday of this this last week we were in session and the bill finally came to the floor and there were some i think two hundred amendments that were attached to this bill so they had to weed through all of that and a lot of people and it's just a little boreas process and they sneak things in and shouldn't get in when they write and do things like you know you know you know there are a lot of concerns on on both sides the issue and people said no you know in order for my constituents to feel comfortable with us we need this amendment well you know you brought up philadelphia and you said it's much like new york having lived growth growing up in this area in pittsburgh area you know having lived in philadelphia area and it is two different worlds  easterners yes but they sort of us midwesterners yeah it's very very different culture and so it gets i'm sure it becomes difficult to blend all that together to get something done well i think more so not just culturally but legislatively philadelphia is the only city of the first class that exists in the commonwealth of pennsylvania and that is a distinction made by the population of one city so you know there it's i don't know how many you know people are in philly proper in the city of philadelphia now it's over a couple million but there's only less than thirteen million in the entire state of pennsylvania so you know they kind of car of things out for philadelphia unlike any other city in pennsylvania because we don't have the population so there that's some of the differences but almost every bill that comes across my plate has some something different for philadelphia and because of the medallion owners that invested you know a minimum of one hundred thousand dollars per medallion some some cabbies bought two three and four of these medallions and were holding them as a retirement thinking ok when i'm ready to stop doing this i'm going to sell those off and be able to retire well with goober and liftin and other teens he's coming into the picture there goes that that's competition so they're losing a lot of their bread and butter business  you know and that's that's very unfortunate so to sort of prevents you know a lot of these people you know losing their investment tire only we agreed to accept some compromises just for philly left they can't pick up from the airport they can't pick up they can't line up in a taxi lane they can't you know the different things that just leave those you know as i said the bread and butter of the business for the cabbies and then reading some of the amendments that got through on tuesday there were even more other provisions there were put put in the basically my bill it's a consumer protection bill because this is a service that's existing and it's going to take place and we're going to have people provide a service for customers we need to be sure that that service provider has the right amount of insurance and they're covered that they have background checks for the people picking people up and actually the background checks for those who are live drivers go further back than even the cab drivers are required to so there's believe me it's a lot of provisions there's a lot of moving parts but i am thrilled to death that if finally got through the house and it's so much i've been told by my leadership it's going to be coming back to the senate and we should be able to vote on it on monday so you vote on it then the current governor has to approve it yes he has already said that he's going to sign it i mean that's that was the that's what i've heard from several people so there's all these little bumps in the road you have to get over the moon for both of us and every time somebody sticks an amendment on it it has to go back to the originating house for it to be a pro you know voted on as well so every time you put a but as it stood even with all those amendments and entire day on tuesday was devoted to putting you know debating these amendments in voting up or down and then on wednesday it went back to the fore as you know with the amendments as they were and it got voted out unanimously so that was how this you know looks good so you're senator the forty six just yes and then you're you're two years into your four year term i am you know you're really in the heart of i'm sure there was a learning curve in the beginning it's like drinking through a fire hose that's how i cook it really well specially never having been in office before i never ran for anything you know it's there's a lot to learn a lot to learn but i love learning i mean that's that's and there's about twenty five states and in the country i think d c as well has passed legislation to except marijuana as a aware of their natural things right to make you well that's right our way of saying it in fact arizona right now is on this year's vote they're passing the legalization of marijuana for for recreational for us tell us the process and how you got involved in on the passing the bill using the writing of the bill well as i said before you know there are some bills that have been out there for years and years and years and this was one of them i mean i just jumped into it kind of you know at that the tail end i guess but my former who is a state senator he wrote this bill and he's been working on this for years and years and years and it helps tremendously with these conditions that help that happens with me i mean even something as something something as such is irritable bowel exactly right arthritis even it has so many benefits and for some reason it had developed a little bit of history on it for the audience it was legal in one thousand thirty seven and then the federal government with have right and it was just totally banned you couldn't grow it you couldn't use it you couldn't imported i don't know why you know it was never said it was just this is the law you can't you can't use this stuff and it got this bad connotation i think because people while they're using it to get high you know well you use all the hot to get high too i don't see the difference personally not that not that i don't use either one but but you know i don't see the difference frankly but i think this move to it isn't generated by the medical industry it's not generated by the pharmaceutical industry oh no they hate it yeah it's just it's been pushed by the people exactly as it should be as all things should be be they demanded it and they they lobbied and they rallied and they made phone calls and you know for anyone to say that their voice doesn't matter that is so far from the truth so far from the truth every vote matters and every voice matters if there's something vital to you for the love of pete send an e mail send a letter come to your legislators office sit down face to face with them and tell them your issue that's what we need to hear we if we don't hear about it we don't know that there's a problem right we need people to come forward and make a phone call make a visit bring us your examples of of what's vital to you and that's how things get done that's how in my life that i saw the actual workings of how the sausage is made yeah i guess you could say it that way yeah you know on that them yelling at each other oh you think these are you know sophisticated people that are trying to do the best they can but they're actually fighting each other on the floor but then the go up for a beer would together yeah well yeah yeah exactly you know like that as a like lawyers in court they all hate each other in court in their old party at the same place right but it was an experience seeing all of that and certainly not what i imagine being in congress was like right but is that what it's like for you you get up and you talk and then people say rebuttal you know it all depends because there's order i mean we've got roberts rules of wa and things like that i mean if you've got if you want to challenge someone you can ask can't ask them directly on the floor you have to ask the president of the senate the time and that's the lieutenant governor that's their role and you ask them and you know you will you stand for  interrogation yes and that doesn't happen a lot but people will stand and state their case and sometimes they'll pontificate for forty minutes but about the medicinal cannabis before we you know wrap up a little bit it is such a vital vital tool in so many diseases but you know that was a huge step in pennsylvania still you can not smoke the plants we're not talking you know light a joint or anything like that this is just the oils the changers and i my amendments because if you have a child in the middle of a seizure they're not going to be able to swallow i want you know an oil or anything so the vaporization is vital in that case we expanded the use for a lot of different conditions which is wonderful and the other thing that i had chronic pain it's not addictive if you can't overdose it's a tremendous tool when we we're going to go to a little break here in a second we get back we're going to talk a little bit about the different modalities of administrat fission is just warming the oil or at the teacher so that you can inhale the vapors and that would be something you could administer to a child well yeah because one of the biggest benefits for the medicinal cannabis is the use with dr a syndrome patients or epilepsy or anyone who has a seizure disorder well if you've got a two year old who's having one hundred two hundred three hundred seizures a day they can't receive the medication orally so the vaporization we would be ideal in that particular instance so if i had a seizure disorder and i wanted to have my physician order this for me how what's the process while right now we're still hammering out all of those different things but the moment that the governor signed that bill into law which was this be three last year the moment that was signed into law it was instantly legal for any parent actually anybody who is using those oils or teachers or vaporization for an illness to get them from outside of pennsylvania we don't have distributors yet we don't have those things set up yet that was that's the next phase to establish that and i've had people calling my office and writing to me and everything saying how can you get on the list as someone who can grow but this all cannabis how can it on the list for someone who can be a distributor those things are all still being worked out but for right now for those people with those conditions that need this it is legal to have that brought in from another state and there are about twenty five states to do that  arizona is on the forefront of all this there are as i said or both would probably legalize small quantities for recreational and recreational and just a you know full disclosure i'm not for recreational use so that's  lot of people think that it's great you know but i'm just i'm not there yet the what they do in arizona is they have basically marijuana pharmacies and what they did is they through you applied and i'm sure there were some application fee you know and i think it was we find it if you want accepted and then they have background checks and so that for the dispensary and they had a for the growers right and then it was a lottery so you were basically investigated you paid a fee or pulled out pull put into lotto and then filled out and that's how they wish that there but there is some controversy though between the states rights and the federal government mandates and so forth and then you know there's this regulation new new web site and we're not required yet as practitioners in but we have to go we can right now right there get i think it's going to be obligates or you soon but we can go we can go look and see if this patient has a history doctors that just like you said if you get some are presenting in your office or even in the emergency room that says oh well you know i have this mysterious pain in a big problem is that some of these folks who go to different emergency rooms and they they have all of these really expensive tests done when really all they're wanting to do is to get some kind of an opioid prescription refilled and you know that's that's a burden on taxpayers it's a burden on the hospitals and the burden on the emergency room process you know where somebody who's got a real problem you know needing to be addressed and they're waiting in line so we've we've been looking at this issue from so many different angles and i'm really happy to say that they're i'm of coprime sponsor on a lot of different bills and i'm very very passionate and involved with the whole opioid issue in pennsylvania i have a nephew who thank goodness he's been clean now for think over eight years but that's incredibly hard to do and it ruins lives you go in with a broken ankle you know you get it set and they say ok here's thirty days of a heavily addictive opioid well you know if you're following some physicians prescriptions and you're taking them you know what to do you know every time you prescribing also that you can become addicted in very very short amount of time our bill says there's a limit of seven days i've had physicians say it should be three it should be five at the max but you know seven all things that you have to consider what if it's a four day weekend what if you're on vacation why for this one so seven days is the cutoff for a prescription of of an addictive opioid that you can get an emergency room there are in my case of the drug database  there's other legislation out there that requires training for physicians about addictive opioids there's another bill that deals with substituting non addictive pain relief medication in place of an opioid which you know you're you're so knowledgeable about those kinds of things well you know medicinal cannabis is one of those things because it's not just of exactly and that was one of the things that i was really talking about every rally and every history he was upfront about the and he had an emergency and as a practitioner i can prescribe over the phone to park pharmacy five oxy code ons or whatever without a hard copy as long as within a week i get the hard copy of the pharmacy ok so you just call the pharmacy and say for this patient you know this dose because it was a holiday you couldn't get in so basically  cy situation the way to start yeah right well oddly enough the pharmacies sometimes when they're sharp self regulate those things and i had called three pharmacies that wouldn't fill the prescriptions because they had an unknown to me he had a known issue doctor shopping he didn't really have an emergency it was you know so what i had actually do was get a hard copy taken to the pharmacy on a sunday so that he could feel it was easter sunday in fact i was willing to go in the office and take care would but he couldn't come but he did and of the next day coming in taking it so it was a true case but it came back to bite him because he had a known history of pharmacies caught it up on it yeah yeah and to that point i actually know a woman who was a pharmacist at a very well known pharmacy and she spotted something like that in there was a big red flag about this because she saw this one person come in with prescriptions from different doctors for the same kind of you know issue and opioid and she flying it and she called it in a reported it they fired her they fired her they fired her so she said well you know we're we're told that we should be watching out for people's health and welfare and when we do what we're you know instructed to do then we get punished for it so there's there's a logic where it is so ridiculous absolutely ridiculous but you know i have i have talked to so many people who are or who are former addicts and how they recovered and how difficult it was to recover i've talked to people who have been saved  have talked to actual first responders whose kneejerk reaction is you know i went to the same address four times in a week to save the same person with nor can i'm not going to go again and i said i know you're i know you're not serious i know you're not serious if you get that phone call and you're standing over that person who you could save their life with this and you're going to be the one to judge is that i can't imagine being in that position i can't but for crying out loud  with people who are diktat to cigarettes it takes them an average of seven times to stop because they put a hundred different chemicals and i think that they only exactly exactly so it's just i mean there's so many different levels of issues and things and the thing that i try to stress to people so much is oh a heroin addict say there they choose to put that needle in their arm and i'll just let him go that's horrific to me because i've heard so many different cases hundreds of cases over the last couple of years you know there's there's one one case where it was a high school football captain wonderful kid but you know a great student straight a's he tours a c l had surgery was given a month's worth of oxy and became addicted you know and he then he was getting you know and that we used our parents used to lock up the liquor cabinet i mean this is back in the day we should be locking up the medicine cabinet because kids are doing skills parties they're taking anything they can find out of out of medicine cabinet market and the reason why and that's what happen to this those folks all kid you know he started buying you know painkillers and things that his friends would find in medicine cabinets at home and the neck got to be so expensive and he could afford it he went to requires that not a fuel if you're being yeah and more and more and more of it but unfortunately you can get heroin cheaper than beer is or yes and it's easier for some high school age kids to get it then than alcohol and ther are people who have died the first time they've used it because because there's such a huge market for it and the money is so prevalent it's so easy to get rich off of this poison there are people out there using fenton all cut out of heroin there been cases where it's it's one hundred percent penalty i talked to a mother who buried her son who was addicted and couldn't pay his dealer his dealer only three hundred dollars and was still going back for more and the dealer got you know fed up with it gave him what was called i think was called crocodile or out one of those two injected it started eating his flesh from the inside out and they kept  tating higher and higher and higher and higher he finally died it ate his body from the inside out so you never know what in the world is going on out there it is such i mean it's worse than russian roulette i mean it's  horrific path to go down and this need to take it then promotes crime absolutely and it trickles down her that and absolutely let's talk about car accidents yeah you know so it just keeps going then let's talk about birth defects as a result of this chemical dependency and abuse absolutely it and then disease sharing in the rules and so forth have otitis especially even over aids hepatitis right so it has massive effects it certainly yeah absolutely and it's so pervasive i mean almost everybody that you talk to knows someone directly or one degree or away from someone who's an addict and how it's affected their family and another another issue with that is i'm very interested in the whole corrections issue in pennsylvania i think it's like it's about sixty eight percent of the people in incarcerated right now have mental illness but i think at least forty eight percent of these people have an addiction issue it's a drug and alcohol issue it's mostly drugs and they're incarcerated so you know our what i'd like to see and what we're actually working on there's legislation cleanly clean slate legislation another issue another another bill coming up that you know if somebody was incarcerated in a had some kind of a you know had offenses while they were addicted and then they get clean and they've been a model citizen for ten years we're looking to a race you know the past and let them move on because right now if you have a felony nonviolent felony you have a felony on your record you can't get housing you some people can't even go get higher education you can't go all get a job you can't get and then we end up paying for their mistake for the rest of their life right so even though it's a fairly or even though they pay their debt to society they've done their time they're living a clean lifestyle they're they're working they're raising their family they're trying to better themselves and we make it impossible because we put that we put that albatross around their neck for the rest of their life and then put him in prison where they learn how to be better criminals that's exactly right and these these rehab facilities you know the twenty eight or thirty day rehab or treatment that doesn't work at all i've talked to so many people says that's networking networking they do they go to these rehab facilities you know  for the twenty day program and they meet all these people that sell better drugs or they do this or that and they the network and you know yeah thanks for the week i even personally in fact you know some of these same people  same environment that had them addicted and what's up they go back to the same level of use that they stopped a month prior and that's when the overdose because they've cleaned their system out at least for a short amount of time but they're still they use at the same level of the last time and they they die and it doesn't matter whether it's these illicit drugs or alcohol yeah it has soldier it all the same thing it is just destroys your body function and mechanisms of living basically and that all damp even if you recover and even if you're in recovery for years and years and years after that what you've done the damage you've done to your physical body in that amount of time shortens your life you know it causes all these issues further on down the road said one county seventy minutes eight overdoses and since then it's been a heck of a lot worse yeah we've lost a lot of people to this so you think it's because the the depressed economy in people  looking to xscape from from life but you know i think there's a whole lot of issues that pile on to this the average age of an addict is thirty four so you're looking at people in their fift in their forty's who again they've become addicted because of a surgery because of an injury because of whatever another problem that created a lot of this mess in the ninety's or was the satisfaction survey for hospitals i don't know if a lot of people when you go you will probably remember this those little cards are up in the emergency room with all happy faces and you know on a scale of one to ten how are you feeling you know how's your how's your pain or how's your satisfaction and it's a smiley face for hey everything's great or it's a little sad face because you know i need oxycontin so people look to those surveys and that's like the exit survey that people take when they leave their hospital experience and funding is based on a satisfaction result so what was happening is oh wow you know we need you know if somebody is here with with hip surgery we send them home when they're in uncomfortable they're a little bit of pain they're going to greatest lower because they feel a little bit pain pains a good thing it tells you not to overexert well it's all part of the healing process actually is so what was happening so that some hospitals were getting a higher satisfaction rate there by more federal funding they were just loading people up let's make them feel nothing when  that led to a lot of issues and then it would be a crisis that same concept goes on in a lot of ways still in hospitals for example local hospital washington and i can mention names but they've been for years trying the last three years trying to get vaccinations and i'm not a vaccination person for a whole slew of reasons right the government federal government was giving them money if they made an eighty percent  compliance employees being vaccinated well they had met that the federal government moved it up to ninety percent now while it was voluntary ok and other hospital mandates flu vaccinations for their employees  because the federal government is paying them to have the vaccination i don't know what that's all about and that's a whole nother issue but that happens in the medical industry all the time and i was kind of unaware of what you just described but the state of pennsylvania based on a community conny basis educating people about opioids is a money allotted for that well as a matter fact the governor just allotted millions of dollars to i wish i could remember the name of  the centers of excellence and it's really to put money towards addressing the opiate addiction problem you know i think i think we you know that's a great first step but i think what we really need to do is  teach you know teach doctors that there are other there are alternatives to addictive opioid that's not hard to leave and that's a hard step right it is that's a big one that's a big one i mean you know you're trained a certain way and you're put in this box and you operate within this box and that's the legal standard of care right and you know for example i always say this physician will tell you supplements vitamin c doesn't help you use wasting your money yet the prescrib know even for myself i was not someone that bought into that and so you know my situation occurred and i was home to die in had no alternative but to learn how to feed my body right and it was all the supplements in the proper nutrition and so forth so it it  was a dynamic change for me you know my paradigm changed three hundred sixty degrees almost you know they were it was it was a total hundred eighty degree change but it's a hard concept that for these highly intelligent educated people you know they spent all those years and years and years you know training to be a doctor and god bless them for what they do that's wonderful but a lot of that training is based on pharmaceutical companies and you know who's going to get one and that's a multi bazillion dollar industry when you know if if if we knew that we could prevent ninety percent of the illnesses out there and live very healthily and very long and very productive lives just by eating the right thing had fans and avoiding poisonous water and things like that that affect us forever you know if we just did that who's going to get rich off of that well that's that's the thing you always follow the money and i always say this there's no money and wellness no there isn't and i've said this for a long long time there's there's there's no money to be had in a cure there's only money in treatment eighty billion dollars cancer cancer industry you know the profit is tremendous tremendous ivory you know and i had a seven close family members die to a different cancers in a ten year period of time so believe me you know i i saw a lot and this suffering in the attempt to suppress it from continuing on you know it's never a cure yeah it's all your and he's your remission conversations like this for years and years and years and years and years you know our diet suffers i mean the chemicals we put on our bodies and in our bodies and things that we should be doing to be healthful you know we'd rather take a pill out of a bottle because investigate will look into it world to research will hear both sides and will and will come up with how about this an approachable senator well i think i love it i love say that very much and some you know i know you weren't in this for ego and i know you weren't in this as some somebody like i should do that oh no no i want to do this you know that it's making back deals in the closet for their own personal benefit and now you're in there because you have a heart and you want to see things  prove and things better well and then more the longer i'm in it the more i see that there is so much that we can do to a lemonade fraud waste abuse mismanagement dependent at birth all these other issues so i this this legislation that we that we were just releasing actually puts infants born to mothers of postpartum depression on that list as well and what i'm trying to do is just get out there that you know this is actually a medical condition it really is and i really wanted to maybe have you shares any kind of insights you have absolutely we will talk i could relieve you know a lot of those symptoms of the postpartum depression after so absolutely but we know that when a mom is suffering greatly from postpartum depression she treats her infant differently you know it affects the way you know the brain develops and everything else were just about time to just just to and that yeah it's all hormone messenger