when george w bush warned office in january two thousand and one he promised to improve the country has held his promise as they gave terrorism has become major in the united run for the selectmen and i always loved politics even though i was practicing engineer and so i ran for the board of selectmen and i had a very unusual experience i lived by one vote was that really set the stage for me for the rest of my career i ran the next year having lost by one vote everybody felt sorry for me and i got like that and i served in nine years as a member of the board of selectmen and since then i've served twenty seven straight years as the officer where i learned an awful lot about meeting people and working with people and after that i worked for the united states atomic energy commission working on the nimbus weather satellite and then joined a company in boston called charles t main and i worked there for eighteen years building power plants i've been in over forty seven countries ago shading contracts and when i was when that company got bought out there was a c e o will upgrade a building alternative energy facilities throughout the country and when that company got bought out the at age fifty four i went to boston college law school i'm got my law degree and now i have my own practice i know what budgets are about i know how to run a big organization that's  complex no town government better than any other candidate in the race including all the governors governor candidates i think i know what i'm doing i think i know what the state needs join christine miles to try to make a difference and fix what's broken thank you back to increase the amount of money given to belmont and all the other cities and towns and their local aid will go up thirty eight percent under our proposition one the reason i think we ought to go with a five three back to five zero it's really not a lot of money in the grand scheme of things and more important in that there's a psychological and philosophical thing that really bothers me the constitution of the commonwealth of massachusetts allows people who disagree with the legislator and who disagree with the government to try to change that by that represent a process and they did it and they voted and i think that we've got on of the commitment to those people who put the time in and those people voted to do it and our plan calls for that that to be rolled back in the st four years tax the personal income tax and from the sales tax in every year we give mag back money to the various cities and towns in belmont that means if it costs seventy million dollars to run belmont you get roughly back ten percent to seven million dollars and that has been going down every single year for the last four years so we're now getting less money while the state is passing laws causing you to spend more money so belmont all the other cities and towns are in trouble because they haven't got enough money and they're talking about laying off teachers having overrides and what have you we say that's our money we sent to the end we want to give back and so we're  that romney healey administration is doing that at the same time there i've often to create new toll roads in the western part of massachusetts and the the deal with the people in the western part of massachusetts who pay those tolls the deal was twenty years ago when we collect all the money that we spent on that road we're going to take the tolls down we they've already paid for the thing twice now we're going to open a new tolls and it's just money to go to the favorite offerings of the lobby groups here in the commonwealth and we think that's horrendous to even consider it and to bring it up at this time is good because now we're going to get all the candidates to take a position on  economy when you look at what's happened to massachusetts what's happened in massachusetts in the last four or five years we're losing population and we're losing bright young people like yourself who get educated get out of the mit get out of roger williams get out of wherever and moving to north carolina and status thing here in the reason is the cost of living the cost of living here car insurance which your parents are probably paying right now but the but they don't enjoy it let me tell you and you don't enjoy pain the gas tax when you get this money back and local aid you can keep the real estate taxes down and when you do that small business grows now in massachusetts we hear a lot about the digitals and all the big companies and fidelity but what you don't hear about there are three hundred and fifty thousand small businesses throughout massachusetts that's what makes this state tech that's what makes big companies come here because they get talented people to work in a good support system that's where that money belongs so that philmont to winchester can spend some of that money to help fix those zoning in the town and fix the infrastructure  citizens so we don't have another tragedy like we had this past summer and having one person die because of a mistake but that's that's the biggest question you could ask me as far as i'm concerned because i think it's one of the biggest issues in the campaign and you're looking at the guy who's going to be reason the responsible and there are administration for the big day christie miles he's going to name me i know construction i know engineering i know what happened on that i've been involved in big projects and i wrote a paper in hand delivered at the governor romney on july rd on what should be done and he still hasn't done it and what has to be done we've got to take all the resources we have right now and do what you said not what they are doing they are looking around still trying to find out who was what and never being able to prove what they to be doing is sitting down and having independent engineers as valuate every part of that design to find out where the rest of that design when the next ceiling is going to fall and work on that for us and i gave them a schematic to our ng of how to do that and i gave them a written test description on how to do that and it could be done in one hundred and twenty dollars days and not even close to being done with and if you look at the big dig today today you will find the electrical fire protection system and the communication system in that tunnel complex which was built on a chain joint to when the democratic convention was coming in here to get it done election and romney announced he'd have that study done by november th and then two weeks ago he announced he hope to have it done by the end of the year by that time he'll be in iowa campaigning for president and we can send him  u but yours is the most important of the two questions but yours is the most sexy as far as the public is kind of everybody loves big when the only guy in this campaign who doesn't love it is me and christine miles and the reason is i am the only one that knows the economics of engineering and energy that's what i did for a living that project is a fraud there is going to it's going to cost the taxpayers in massachusetts one billion four hundred million dollars and it's going to be added to your electric bill in belmont and winchester patrick won't admit that he won't admit and they will not look at the numbers i felt so strong about this i personally drove down to the cape and went to see the woods hole research people who are one of the greatest advocates for energy conservation they are building is mind boggling it's this so much energy pink save the it is just unbelievable and i met in front of twenty two dollars scientists down there and i presented my feeling on that with the economics they were stunned because they told me that they are willing to spend money to save global warming but the number of one billion four hundred million is not the way to spend way too expensive and that project is by one guy we've got three limited liability companies taking no risk that negotiated the deal through the lobbyist in washington to land that contract without a competitive bid and we are going to stop that project if we get an answer to your question the most important thing we can do in the commonwealth of massachusetts to save energy is alternative energy and number one is when it's the saudi arabia if they want can go to the state the state will come out here test right outside here whether you can economically put one in place and sell it to belmont and let him put it in let the energy that saved because it's on land let that energy that's being saved work in reverse and lower the electric bill here in belmont in the school system and we're going to do it on the mass turnpike and we're going to do it that other lands like the logan airport that's the way and the other thing is alternate fuels there isn't any place in the country that has more technology about combustion in fuels and right here in metropolitan boston unbelievable there are start up companies on the road right now and i did a lot of the research with christie on this thing here when you study how to grow jobs in the state i did that for a living i had a company that i ran with two thousand eight hundred people and we were looking for a place to open to think we don't look for someplace where you can go and have breakfast with the governor and a couple of pictures and say gee it was a nice guy so i locate my family up there you go when you go like we went to washington state because there were engineers out there that could do what we were selling around the world and there was an infrastructure of schools and what help that would take you that together you got to put that thing together and we're going to do exactly what was done in south carolina south carolina use a massachusetts model developed by talk to poor to red carpet and what it is you don't give it to the politicians to make the strategic moves you've got all these lobbyists are just trying to figure out how to get the study my you you you divide the industry into clusters and so you get energy cluster of different types of company transferred nation company's investment company when you get the leaders to work right for the government and find out who all the supply is who are all the people you're selling to by the top guys in that business and then ask them to tell you what the state can do to help and usually what comes back here is we need more water in this location we need better reliability of the electricity or we need some sort of encouragement to the state college used to develop the kind of talent that we're going to need that's what makes things grow that and you make that strategic plan and you can judge i would ministration on the results that to me is the biggest thing the hardest thing to sell but that is the one strategy that's going to turn massachusetts around thanksgiving illegal immigration is the other key topic that has been discussed throughout the whole entire country this past year but my question is why is there so much focus on the illegal immigrants in this country are not more attention on the illegal immigrants who are in this country but are struggling if they're struggling with keeping their family up with making minimum wage or just struggling to get a job because the government hasn't provided them with the green card that they promised them even if they've been here for five years well that's you know the whole immigration issue is  a national problem and it's begging for a national solution and most came to the to say who wait till they fix it and then we'll follow the rules opposition is very simple illegal immigrants are illegal you can call them anything you want but they were illegal and  lawyer cannot stand before him say well it's ok you know it's but on the other hand we as a society have allowed those illegal immigrants to be here and it's like if the cop stands on the street corner and it says forty miles an hour and you go by eighty miles an hour and he doesn't do anything for six years then all of a sudden the stats top and you've got a heck of a good argument here and maybe you didn't understand the law to me the issue is is when you say make the distinction between legal immigrants and immigrants i would suggest that the right distinction to make is legal immigrants and all and citizen poor people and we shouldn't be taking illegal immigrants and putting them in publicly public finance nursing homes and and assisted living and rent controlled units when we've got legal immigrants and poor people that can't get on the system that's not fear now  the st one to say that all of us came from immigrants yes very few exceptions and i don't i don't think he's any one of the four of us a natural born indians and everybody is there and and so we have to look at that and maybe the time has come to take a step back and say why don't we take all the illegal immigrants and give them an orange guide and say the orange card you're here you've got here we check you out to make sure that you do you didn't come in with a whole mess of things you've got an orange cat there's no more illegal immigrants and we'll work with you to get you on the list for a green but the real thing we ought to be doing in the thing that the lobbyist don't like talking about is every single illegal immigrant is working someplace in this they and throughout the country and they are working for people who are supposed to collect unemployment compensation and income tax and are not and romney finds them in the big dig but no one's zero claims against those companies i saw that in the debate that christie christie brought up a very good point but now let me just bring up another point on that he has a company a contractor who is hiring illegal immigrants and they say they've got fake social security numbers why don't we ask them if they get fake social security numbers and you took the money out for their taxes did you send it in to the i r s because if you didn't that's tax fraud and you should go to jail and if you did send it into the i r s we must be making money but the i r s didn't get that money because they would be trying to find out why you didn't file a tax return and so there is some stealing going on here and this christie likes to say the democrats like to forget about it because they hope and immigrants will vote for them and the republicans do want to forget about it because they're the process of getting a green card and for legal immigrants as a legal immigrant it took me five years to get my green card how do you feel that needs to be changed or if anything changed at all oh i definitely think think it does it was there was a time when the process was pretty routine you came if you could make a contribution and you're willing to live by the standards in the rules you know took a couple of years what have you but you got a green cap that's no longer the case because in the middle of all this now you've got this fight over illegal immigrants and you've got lawyers now if you have a right to a green card you might have to pay fifty six thousand dollars to go through the system that's i mean we're creating a cottage for immigration lawyers and that's not what america's all about this is they will be in the viper to the i mean when when you can win if you can roll up in public school and go get in the education there isn't anybody that's where they're coming from and coming from it from the standpoint of of company experience when we i saw merit pay which we call bonuses is what it really is except bonuses in the thing if you have a broad bonus plan that includes everybody nine dollars out of ten times it works against the objectives of your organization because the objective of the organization is for the teaching community to be able to join together and provide the population the students a good education now if you're going to pay merit pay that's automatically sets up climb petition between the teachers like it did in the company i at or who can bring in the most sales and who can get the most revenue but then when the guy a fellow guy in your another department needs a couple of people to help and you don't lend them because you're in competition it's like you competing against yourself so i think you have to be very very careful with merit pay on the other hand if you can't get teachers to teach in new bedford we have half the kids can't read write then you may have to pay it and that's worth every penny because a penny of remedial reading can teaching kids to take the test and when you get the college and you start going in someone's going that's why i was so interested when you guys told me you had a thesis here at belmont because when you get to college you're going to find kids at m mit or wherever you wind up that don't know how to do any research and they don't know how to do any initiative thinking because they're trained to take the test that's not what america's about you go to china with everybody is known for its education system the a changing right now trying to change their education system to be like i was and here we are with changing at the other way and this thing because when they compare us so them themselves and their education i kids get out of schools know how to think he is don't they know b s and so they're trying to change it and we're going the other way so that's how i feel about it generally we have taken a position on and cast and i position is that i am cast should not be the sole requirement for graduation in massachusetts that is that test was set up to find out whether or not we would change all the kids and when we set it up it was ten years ago and we've taken it ten times and we keep getting the same answer how many times do we have cig take a try to find out in the answer is if you live in belmont and you live in winchester you're going to do ok and if you live in you're not going to and the reason is because of the income and the involvement in the family and the understanding of the english language and the ability to read we ought to be it cost three hundred million dollars to give the m cast us that's a federal estimate we are we're saying that's a good idea or it started out good but why not take some of that money and spend it on teaching the kids in the bedford how to read you have a kid that's six years old and cannot read you ask any remedial teacher and he'll tell you that you can peach that kid to read a th grade level in one year that's a beautiful thing but he also goes on to say it's a way to use the child as ten and try to teach him to read to  th grade it takes three years which means he doesn't know how to read properly until he's thirteen which means he'll never pass the m cas test it isn't going to happen so he's not going to graduate so our graduation rate which might come as a shock to you living in belmont came as a shock to me being involved in the school system in winchester is the dropout rate in massachusetts is twenty percent and in boston it's almost thirty that's absurd because when you don't have a high school degree you can't even go in the enemy you can't even get a job in a lot of companies so we are creating the kids and he really is talking about raising the level making the test that is stupid that is right stupid and i am going to be the guy who is going to remove all of the pioneer think tank people from their group from the board of directors and we're going to appoint people like your parents like your teachers like superintendents and like some senior educators in the college system to help us run public education which means education for everybody in the elite group and not disregarding the kids that come with a bunch  and that's broken and we think we can fix that and the answer the what i want you to think about when you think about the my o'sullivan campaign is two words fiscal responsibility and that's what we're going to bring to the party i personally think it's going to be good for  ch fiscal responsibility it's good for the republicans it's good for the independents it's good for the democrats it's good for the old it's good for the young it's good for every segregation of our society it's good for liberals and it's good for conservatives so i ask you to think fiscal responsibility and i hope you'll consider me to want to hear what your boat so thank you mr sullivan for coming on the show we really appreciate it so that's it for currently speaking this governor grace ross is going to be on the show with us to stay tuned for that and hope everyone has a good week thanks a lot that's currently speak