art and you make reference to a few pages in the appendix but i i can't find anything in those few pages in the appendix that support that those should have been sites to  you know who is speaking because there's nothing to indicate who is who speaking on those three pages but if that site is wrong and if there's some stipulations somewhere else i'd system being structured corresponding to the companies if you turn to call them one line fourteenth or fifteenth of the specification states telephones are generally available almost everywhere then a call on one line fifty seven three sixty it says if a party wishes to make a call you should be able to accomplish the call from the nearest available telephone in going to call  the telephone eighty one is connected to a regular telephone system in the cade eighty two and we also have fifty three which shows a telephone separated from special exchange by item space in eighty two which represents regular telephone systems monitoring the credit right means someone would predict the credit the credit has to be a difference right between what the amount you have in the bank and the amount you used the credit is the amount you you can compute the cost of the car running cost of the call and when the cost equals your credit discontinue the call or you can just convert everything into time and you can see start out with  which is the announcement to the customer but it's also has a second use as the preset limit now the peg counter is just counting the time right sending that information to the compared her  spanglish then takes the action that you're suggesting right it cuts off the call it says if you want out of time which is a column for winds thirty and thirty one but i think it's key to it understanding what's going on in figure one which shows that methodology is that large twenty three which is the preset time where three set is key to meet to preset something means that you set  us how many this statement in the specification figure one call is cut off when you run out of time if you get to the call it's kind of when there's no more credit available because of the equivalence of time and money big the result is the same in both cases as  column three where lines forty five thru forty eight says the amount of credit is equivalent to so many minutes of talking to so you can do the monitoring either way and the result is the same   there was no also there was no evidence les what the structure of a regular telephone system is and what the components are you with us excuse me you have a feeling that we're going the sa reason because there's plenty of structure indicated in the specification right i don't believe that there's plenty of structure in this but why did you agreed we were trying to narrow the issues that we didn't think that it was an issue we needed so  then why do you continue to contest them now well we believe that we what support do you have for the absence of structure for business if you read through the specification there's no there's no description of any structure that connects the telephone to the special experience whenever wherever the specification talks about a regular telephone system it's only a concept so a call that has already been connected to the special  telephone is connected to a regular telephone system indicated eighty two column five line it's already it's connected to the regular telephone system it's not to say connected to the special experience connected to the telephone system and there's no there's no disclosure eighty two is a regular telephone system but there's again there's no disclosure it's the how you connect to the regular how the phone connects to the regular telephone system and how the telephone system connects to the special it's good because the player has to go on the telephone the telephone system regular telephone system about a preset time according to time and distance right so then guests are militates rather heavily in favor of mr flayers argument well first i'd like to say that we have to start with the language of the claims and the language of the claims is monitoring brief where they admit that credit is monastery what is why can't credit be in this context be a time credit because it is exactly what you seem to buy and what they seem to say you buy by putting time the monetary value and we see that later on in my permission for timing the call sign of the call it gets credit in the credits monetary credit it's not it's not a time credit and you can see that throughout the specification that every time there's a reference to a credit it's a time and if you look also look to the prosecution history you can see that claim nine was rejected based upon those that want to rejection but the specification seems to use this money and one is the equivalent of the other in this particular said and that's a structural equivalent of the term credit where i believe that it's a functional equivalence not a structural  monitoring monitoring what you're monitoring is the function that's the function of the be useless function element is monitoring credit where it's wrong and that you lose right if i'm wrong in my if you're wrong on whether or not quite it can have a structurally quibble and you're wrong you're lives whether credit is a structural equivalence i'm not certain about that your honor there's there's no support in the spec for for time for credit  this is in response to the rejection every tell argue that the reference that was being cited against it hello does not provide any way in which to monitor credit information that includes the amount of the remaining prepa calendar which is counting time which makes this all a strange netherworld of whether time is money or money is time when they're monitoring time actually is the equivalent of a function of monetary monetary credit that's what i said it says that there's a structur monitoring is it's only comparing credit so it doesn't make any sense just because we repeat the claim language doesn't mean it's in the stop all we're presentations at that p t o it was all about money dropping the amount of money dropping now there was a way that you got there but a function that you were pointing out in differentiating over our was about money it was monitoring the credit mr freeze that was used in our position is that it covers from the structures for performing the methodologies of figure one and figure two for you one which is monitoring the credit by timing and by time that language to try to bridge the gap and show the judge said there are two different methodologies and there for this should be two different structures and i think the language can be of little bit confusing whether it's not