washington county i want to talk a little bit about that first before we start getting into the meat of the subject today represent the southern part of allegheny county and the northern eastern part of watching county and under redistricting i got a little bit more washington county now so i got all of somerset township nottingham township finleyville and all of union township so i'm really pleased to be to be increasing my area that i represent the people of washing county grade gr is say want to talk about a just a few your books today but the few of your books are they're so interesting i've had the opportunity to read this one right and i was getting ready to go right down the line here but you've you've had a unique background let's talk about that you know what gave you some of the experiences that you were in a position to be able to do these three yes well i'm a retired military officer miles in the military i traveled a lot overseas and spent most of my career overseas in korea both north and south and so and i was a counter intelligence officer so i was able to combine both of those skill sets to come up with the books on north korea and south korea that i've written and also the book on iraq that i've written or in talk about today the first one that that tackled was the one on north korea because from two thousand december two thousand december two thousand one i was asked to be a diplomatic representative there in north korea working on the nuclear power plant projects under the old clinton administration's agreed framework where we agreed actually to build north korea two nuclear power plants one thousand megawatt power plants and exchange for them shutting down their nuclear program and we had one american representative there which was mia represented from south korea a representative from the e u and a representative from japan that were stationed in north korea full time to kind of oversee that project and it was a unique position i was the only american living in north korea during that time and when i came back i wrote the two books about it and one of them i brought with me here today it's called living with the enemy inside north korea kind of gives a perspective of what it's like behind the scenes to actually live in north korea the most isolated country in the world and few americans know much about it and i did have a unique perspective because i was in the military before that and you know north korea's always been our enemy and so i had always thought about it from that that angle but then going there as a diplomat and actually living in the country got a different perspective of north korea and so i tried to talk about that in the book well i would ask you one you don't play basketball because apparently that's the only ways americans can get over there anymore and the second thing is  that framework for the nuclear power exchange how did that work out it started out ok i guess the north koreans never really had much faith in it that it was going to work out they didn't trust america and because back home we had a lot of divison this about it caught between the president and congress there were some problems with it and by the time president bush came into office the program was cancelled so we never did really did build the power plants for them which the north koreans complain that we we would never do that's what they always predicted so the program was canceled and it just died there so now we were back to the old problems that we've had with north korea trying to deal with them working on their own nuclear program which c generate weapons grade plutonium which could generate a bomb and we don't want them to do that well this is say the history of the relationship between north korea based on the korean war we were their adversary as you said and being in the military as i was to i never had the opportunity to be stationed there but in fact a lot of our support in that one of i was stationed on the west coast bases that go to the korean peninsula  the book is living with the enemy all right inside north korea let's talk a little bit about that what is it what exactly was the premise that got you to the idea that one you wanted to write the book i mean it's time consuming it but  it's an awful lot of information that we've we don't teach a lot about north korea in our schools you know i'm a social studies teacher and i don't teach about it but how what got you to think that this is something that you wanted to make as an effort and in fact published effort well as i said you know before going to north korea i had an impression based on the fact that they were our enemy and that you know they were very hard to deal with we dealt with them on the d m z and in very confrontational situations and so i was really worried going to north korea as a diplomat how am i going to deal with the north koreans they're very confront of their hard bargain is our negotiators are going to get anything done on this project and when i got there the north koreans lived up to that they  and hard negotiators and but you know i found that over time as they got to know me and realized that i was kind of a person that did what i said i said i was going to do and did what i said that they were we were we were able to get along we were able to get through a lot of tough issues and carry on the project where before they had a lot of problems with the project and i finally decided that you know what i need to pass this information along i need other people need to know that there is a way to deal with north korea there  is a track that we can follow that we can that we can actually deal with this country and so i wanted to document what it was really like and what the people really like and what what what they were thinking i wanted to try to get inside their heads from my long long discussions with them in my travel around north korea to understand the misunderstandings that are between our two countries but you know in the past whenever we've looked at different problems that we've had with other countries i travel a lot in the military and i found that people we have one view of ourselves is my father would say it's like looking at a door when you look at it from one side the door handles on the right the hinges are on the left but you look at the exact same door on the other side it's which to run doesn't mean that's wrong it just is different and you know during the the korean or the korean the cuban missile crisis all the countries in europe and everything or complaining until all of a sudden they looked like they were coming down to that final line  everybody else faded into the woodwork and they decided it's time let the big boys settle this and they shut up shut up and they sat back and actually they were looking for bomb shelters and everything else because they thought the end was coming which we came real close but whenever you're looking at a country like this a country that is known as you say for being hard bargain or is and you know we don't hear a lot about what they do we hear that they are an impoverished nation and we hear that they in fact are run by a guy who some of us think that he doesn't have both oars in the water you know he apparently just killed his uncle a couple weeks ago and they said and he was one of the inner circle so when we look at that we see a country that is sort of the mouse that roared and i believe that this is almost be a perfect situation for that because of the fact that is a very small country who in fact has spent from what i've been able to see a lot of their funds on military and their their establishment of a potential nuclear program  explain to me the warm side in this that you find with the people you know it's it's a really interesting dichotomy because at the national level what we see is yes the politics of the national level leaders and so forth but when you're actually down on the ground dealing with the people the actual people even local level officials and kind of province level officials also you see a different side people are people everywhere you go they just want to live there they're good people stuck in a bad system  and you know they they love their families they they take walks in the park they enjoy the stars and the moon at night and they still ice skate on the pond in the winter and all those kinds of things so they're just they're just people trying to make it and i found that you know we could we could agree i would look for things we could agree on first and we could agree on many things and in the things that we didn't agree on and we had to you know address those one by one but with a building a foundation of trust between us we could deal with the things we disagreed on more easily than if we approach this first where it was going to be total confrontation based on stereotypes that they have of us and that we have of them maybe i like to explain some of those stereotypes that  my stereotype of north korea is that everybody walks in lockstep everybody is kept down by a system that doesn't want to paralyse expand except in certain areas when we hear our media  course i don't trust our media all the while we hear our media sit there and they show pictures they will always add something like well these people had to cry they were forced if you don't cry their families may be thrown in jail or something generally genuinely affected by kim il sung's death because remember in their mind the government provides everything it is their total totally a totalitarian country so from cradle to grave the government provides everything and they would say to me the government provides my shoes my clothes my job my house my my education what would i do without the dear leader and the government providing me all these things so they are addicted to the government providing everything and the government takes one hundred percent of the fruits of their labor and then redistributes it among the people like a local i mean a national political problem the way we're having right so that's why i tell people you don't want to go down this route because it doesn't work but i said like in the back of getting back to reporters i remember when president kennedy died and you know people were people were crying all over the place my sister was crying my mother was crying so there were people you know that are there affected by the president even though they didn't know president kennedy everybody loved him there were people that love whether they should have or not they loved him and they were affected by that by that but i for the television i'm sure that the propaganda department had professional criers out there you know doing that also but that doesn't mean that the people themselves weren't affected by that so they you know they do they they've been indoctrinated into this system and that's all they know they have one news source the government news source and that's all they get they really don't know the average person doesn't know what's going on in the outside world if key officials do because they travel around the world but the average person has no idea and for them to actually meet an american like me and come face to face with some of the stereotypes that they've been told about how you've all americans are it really really help for them to actually know me as a person and say hey you know this guy's not such a bad guy he's not the devil he doesn't eat babies in he's not going to you know he's not here to to kill us and tear our system down he wants to try to make this agreement work and that we can actually work with him so it took time to break down those barriers but i think it was i think it can be done and i think there's again a way to deal with the north koreans considering their cultural context their history their background and we can actually i think make headway with that country in my travels in the service whatever actually got down to talk to the people of spain italy england wherever they were always and then murdered by our political situation they can understand how our system works and of course as i  was when i was on the bullet train in london one time we were talking and some folks about about their their political system and i don't understand because if you ever watch them they're up screaming and talking and i'll try to talk over each other all the time and one of the interesting things that i found that they in parliament they actually separated the one side apartment from the other side and the reason why is because whenever and days of old whenever these people carried their swords they wanted to move  so they couldn't just slashed each other and lay said there's things like that we never hear about in our social studies course but it's interesting whenever you look at the chapters of your book which ones were the ones that you really i mean you put effort in everything of course but which ones did you actually look at and see as the most telling about the relationship you know there are stairs so many examples here because we had to deal from time to time we had some very tough issues to negotiate through and one case one of our workers had accidentally killed one of the north koreans with this with a car ran over soldier and killed him and that was that was very traumatic that threaten to shut down the whole program right there and the way we were able to get through that again was based on a foundation that was built between us that we were able to negotiate through that in good faith not making it sound like you know because they wanted to make it sound like it was intentional and it was neglect on our part and we were there was hatred between us and those type of things but able to get through that in an objective way and negotiate through that program or that problem without shutting down the whole project was one of the issues and i talk about it in there there were other issues places where people would get hurt and the medical care in north korea was was it was so bad i mean we went to a local clinic they don't like to show foreigners the local clinic that we went there because one of our again one of our workers had injured a local citizen and it was a child and and he was beaten up pretty bad and he got hit by a truck and in his own little clinic where they are they don't have the medicine they don't have the band they reuse bandages for example in those type of things that we would just you know be aghast that we tried to help them we offered to bring medicine from our site in because we had modern medicine there and so forth and they finally accepted it but breaking through that that pride of them saying we don't really want to accept anything from you because you know they have pride in their country that we don't want to make it look like we're subservient to you but but that humanitarian effort broke it down because it was a little boy that was hurt and needed help and we were able to help them and we wanted to help them we were able to break through those things and i talk about how we did that in the book and that went a long way toward improving relations between our site the people on our site and the north koreans in the communities that surrounded us you know those things i mean they're always dr gold and it hit a program of american history and i had the opportunity to sit with my daughter younger daughter one time and i took her to school because i would be rushing off to school and she would be knowing she was only in second grade i believe and she no i want some place so one that i wanted to show her where i was going so i took her to school with me and dr goldstein was so i mean he was phenomenal instructor but he sat there and all night long he just talked to her and ask her about questions but he was talking about the bombing of pearl harbor and who started world war two between america and japan and before the class he pulled her aside and said don't pay attention to the what's going to happen because half the class was foreign students it was graduate program and half the class was students most of them were from japan and so they said don't be surprised what you see and she didn't know what then i didn't know what he was talking about but halfway through the program we turned around and we heard people actually crying because they were japanese who their history was different than ours they didn't cause it we caused it with our cutting off their oil and natural supplies and everything else it was i mean the bombing of pearl harbor wasn't the first day you know it was all of our actions beforehand but our history books really never thought we lived over them and we say oh we were with other countries and trying to control this and but we never look at it from their standpoint of oh my god we didn't have oil to run our machinery or any and everything we had was put into our war effort and we figured one shot and we were going to wipe out the united states pacific forces but these people never heard from dr goldstein and you was a very very well known author and he had written like seventeen books on the war in the pacific and whenever he explained it to everybody at the at break time which happened about two hours after our normal  these people were coming up and apologizing because they never heard that now i said in north korea their their education process has to be similar because a state run education ok so they have to he read from one book and you know you get all this information that's exactly right in there most of their education is based on the works of kim il sung and even geography things they don't that they had i found when i talked to then the average person had a  warped idea of even where countries were and how big countries were relation to north korea and north korea was much bigger than then than it really was in their minds it was a large country and they just because of their system that's what their system taught them and what i would try to give ou know it whenever i was i was living in spain for a while and after i was reading their newspapers about some of the things that america was doing i didn't like us all that much you know even though i was in the military at that time it raised questions whenever you see it from someone else's viewpoint then all of a sudden you realise you know maybe we're not as pure as the driven snow is as some might think but anyhow believe it or not we've gone through well just lightly br talking about one book but we're going to have to break for a commercial will be back we have two more i've got to control my mouth and let you talk about it because i'm lazy and this one i've read and i'm really interested in the one about iraq thanks so  simple moments are what make every day and also i mean this is about inside north korea let me point that out for anybody who's just joining us also we in fact discussed you can buy any of your books and now you have nine these are this is only one third of your authorship but you can buy any of these books on amazon absolutely amazon dot com you can either or you can google me and you'll come take you to that link gammas on you can go right on amazon and if you know the titles or just my name cyclone and richard and you'll be able to find him ok done don't be surprised i had talked to the principal of the school here to have you in for a discussion and at the auditorium with a lot of the students well as many students as we can fit in there by the different books that you had because of the fact that i think that an a and a world that we live in today with your background it would be good to hear some from someone instead of just reading somebody else's stuff because they have someone who in fact been there all right so happy to do that well once again living with the enemy north korea ok we'll move right along to the other side of the world here the unseen war in iraq ok and once again this is another book that can be purchased through amazon i'm going to go through all of the similar questions as i did before because iraq went from being a staunch american ally when the shah was there years ago to the situation that it is now and i have to that the situation that now uses is what we said would happen if we pulled out the troops as fast as we did all right but what give me your experience level auto what gives you the right to in fact be able to write this book my background is in counterintelligence and i was in the military and also when when i got out when i retired from the military you know i left that world behind someone i was in some consulting and things but as you know when the war in iraq broke out we had a lot of problems gathering intelligence and there was there was a big discussion especially with the probably had abu ghraib prison about whether we were torturing people whether we could use coercive type interrogation techniques  are how should we gather intelligence from insurgents and terrorists that we picked up on the battlefield and we were having a lot of trouble i volunteered to go back asked to go back but i volunteered to to go back as a civilian and  k in a counterintelligence unit there for a while i was both at the prison and up in mosul and the hot spot in northern iraq at the time interrogating insurgents that we picked up on the on the battlefield trying to gather as much information as we could and trying to protect our bases and while this discussion was going on back home as of about course of interrogations versus torture and so forth i found that the media's coverage of that was was poor and they were presenting an image that just was false and they were for whatever motive and so i want to do correct the record and i wanted to talk about i wanted to tell america how we gather intelligence why it's important that we use coercive means not torture and coercive interrogation is different from torture and what the difference was and correct the definitional problems we were having and how it was being portrayed in america so i wrote this book the n c morning rock which which talks about how we actually sit down with  some hardcore everything from the average shepard that's picked up planning an idea on the side of the road to a hardcore terrorist like police shaikh mohammed who how do we get information from those people and what are the different techniques remain classified version of that how we go about doing that gathering intelligence and why it's important i wanted to stick up for the the side that wasn't getting much media attention that was the coercive interrogation side of the military as i found through my my twenty years of active service as a never been treated well of course it all depends what president sitting there whenever reagan was in there we received more respect than we have certainly now  know that dealing with the military whenever i'm actually i'm doing to do a program here in the next few months about the deceptions that the military or that the media has pulled on the american people and that the course i don't know that in depth as much as you do but whenever i was doing research for the program i went back to pictures of gettysburg and the battlefield there and then i realized after doings just some research that others have looked into this too and some of those grotesque gruesome pictures that they had the media set up and they actually set the people in these odd positions and everything else until you realize it's the same guy in eight different  places and seven different unique positions that probably never happened during a battle you know but they said whenever we come to the mill of the media in this this country today and you and i were just talking on break when i lived in spain when i listened to their media about things we were doing i got a totally different view a hundred eighty degree different view of what our media would tell us and it all depends on you know who's who's the flavor of the day and white in the white house and who is who's running the money to the companies who owns the media giants like disney and and those things and it just really makes you concerned about what are these the you know the day of  murrow standing up there and everybody is so mean that everything he says is absolutely golden truth has far gone in our life said we had a situation just locally in the media where they made on channel four made a big thing about our road  center church and mary even though it was ninety eight percent perfect they resurfaced it well no one told them that that plan that that thing was on the drawing boards for fifteen years and penn finally got around to it you know but anyhow nothing nothing about the local stuff the what were some of the interesting the unique chapters that you have here there really caused you consternation or things that you really felt that you had to bring know part of it was the actual techniques that we had to do to to gather intelligence i mean the media portrays things as we know we can sit down with hardened terrorists and be nice to them and somehow get information from them and and and i wanted to bring out the fact that you know there there are things that we can do short of torture that were called coercive interrogation that are sometimes necessary and it's every person is different every person you're interrogating is different and you have to decide what types of techniques i mean the media would portray yelling at a at an insurgent as as torture or if you made a surgeon sit in an uncomfortable position for a while to make him uncomfortable to take him off his game that that would be torture and there are lots of techniques like that that that i outline in the book that the public needs to know are not are not torture but they are coercive and they're designed to get information out of someone who's not willing to give it to just imagine that you're trying to prevent your comrades from being killed an innocent civilians from being  killed and the person sitting across from you has the information that could help you do that to what lengths would you go to get that information would you would you would you think would be too much to to if i had to yell at that person or if i had to make him uncomfortable or or  i'd kept him up a little later than that he should be they would normally want to go to sleep if i did something like that would that be torturing him or should i should i not make him uncomfortable and allow some innocent people to be killed because he has the information that could save them so we have to make those decisions as a country and as a military and and i thought that the other side wasn't being given the whole story and that's why i presented it in my book what you just talked about are things that happened to me when i pledged a fraternity that's right so i mean i right now i'm sitting there going ok and of course like you said my experience in the military having been in situations where you needed that information i didn't care what you did as long as we got the information you know of course i'm one of those who in fact i'm sure the media would consider a hawk when they'd be right but that's beside the point and i said this this is so much stuff to in fact try to get into in a short program because we only have about fifteen minutes to do each one of your books today which is really a gloss over of the importance of them that's for sure but can you give me one more example of something you felt was really needed to in fact be brought out well a lot of you didn't realize how many insurgents had actually penetrated our military bases i was on a base in northern iraq in mosul which by the way is the ancient city of nineveh from the bible and the city that jonah preached to there and in the city of mosul has grown up around that but our base was there we had ten thousand military on and we had two thousand foreign workers on our base so there was lots of opportunity for the enemy to infiltrate our base and do us harm right in our own homes and part of our job in kind of intelligence was to detect those people find them out were there any people from the other side that had infiltrated into our base might be living among us and be able to find them interrogate them and neutralize them and so  a lot of that in the book also talks about the dangers that you know you're out fighting the war outside the wire we would say but when you come back to the base after the fighting you want to feel safe but you may not be safe because the enemy has infiltrated your own base and we see that a lot in the news more than they blow themselves up we had a person walk into our child in mosul blow themselves up and killed sixty people so that was one person who we thought was one of us an iraqi soldier who was portraying himself as an iraqi soldier  d so you want to feel that the people when you come home at night or you or your comrades not not the enemy so i talk about how we go about finding those people also well into the days world where the olympics have just started this is something that in fact on everybody's mind you know unlike in the past i remember one of our i was a teenager watching the olympics and i'd stay up all night to watch and i wasn't wondering if the people were going to get hurt by outsiders at the time we're looking for the sport you're looking to see how they were being ranked and everything else but now people i mean i understand there's almost three to four hundred thousand seats that haven't been sold because of the concerns and probably just part of the problem well that's i mean i said that that's fascinating but once again this is this is sort of an introductory course to your books versus that of a a in depth this next one is something that i'm very interested in all right and i'm going to be asking a lot god in our government ok we had a student last year here that every time we had a speaker on would always question whether or not church and state is being separated al right social studies teacher that's what that's what i've done for a small portion of my life but i've studied social studies in our government and our constitution nowhere in the constitution does it talk about not having god in fact every preamble of every state they praise god for guidance support everything else whenever i started repeat your book just i mean to the contents of the constitution as written by the framers of our constitution and there are books out that just talk about their view and not about the social view today because god is so what got you to write this again it's one of those passions that got into public office and i saw how the effort of secularists in our country today to erase every aspect and sanitize god from our public life when i found that god has always been a part of our government from before the founding until now second william penn thought the reason for government was to glorify almighty god all the way up through today all or god is has always been a part of our government i wanted to to use primary source documents to educate people basically about what you just said that this is false notion of a separation of church and state to the to the point where we cannot have god as part of our public life it's a false notion that we've been told for two generations now and we've got to we've got to deal with that especially with our young people because they think that our founding was had nothing to do with god and god wasn't a part of it when our country was founded on godly principles our founders were or adamant about how god needed to be included in that and i gave lots of examples nearly four hundred pages of examples i could have made it eight hundred pages of examples but it would have been too thick and so expensive for people to buy so i cut it down to four hundred page and i go around the state speaking about this i'm happy to come to any any any  organization and talk about the our heritage well you know i understand the constitution says there will be a separation between church and state and what they meant the framers from what i've been able to read is that they it's not the church of england ok where everybody was one religion or the main religion was one or spain being a catholic country that was intertwined with their country it was not a second thought you know it wasn't something well today will be methodist or baptist or whatever they had their government wrapped around the church the church for iraq through the government and our framers didn't want that they didn't want a certain religion to be blessed by but in contrast with that every year our government has the red mass which is a celebration of our government through a catholic service and whatever asked when i've asked politicians in d c about this and that a contradiction well not really you know it's not it's not but there are more than happy to scream about church and state separation about you're not allowed to have the ten commandments on any public building and that but whenever you ask them about why are you attending the red mass that's what we do you know i mean there's a contradiction in those people themselves not just what they say but what they do let me give you a couple examples of that of course the founders didn't want to us was stablished and one denomination as our national church that's all they meant by that they weren't trying to sanitize god they were encouraging god to be part of our government just some examples that everyone can relate to george washington started the tradition of swearing his oath on the bible and when he was done he said so ad so help me god the oath and bent over and kissed the bible and just about every president after that has followed that and usually laying their hand on a specific verse of the bible that means something to them even president obama most recently swore his oath not on one bible but two bibles the abraham lincoln bible and the martin luther king bible so i'm  d the bill of rights senate over to the senate and the next thing the very next thing they did if you look in the record is they passed the resolution thanking almighty god for helping them write it and pass the the bill of rights which includes the first amendment congress shall make no law respecting the establishment of religion or prohibiting the free exercise thereof now these are the people who wrote that they came and passed it senate over to the senate the senate passed it obviously and they asked also passed that resolution senate the george washington  washington george signed it and it became our first thanksgiving day proclamation where george washington says in there it's the duty of all nations to glorify almighty god and true and to recognize his providence so these are the people that wrote the first amendment they passed a resolution immediately after that thanking god for it so there's no that that evidence alone should tell you should obliterate any notion of a separation of church and state as people are trying to portray today they were thankful that god help them with these things and so we need to educate people we need to show them that this was our founding this is what it was all about and there are many many more examples of that people don't know when i talk to high school students about that they have been told that they've been told the opposite that we're completely secular country and we've always been that way in the founders or d s that didn't believe in any of these things and those are false notions that need to be corrected and that's what my book does well it's interesting that during the sixty's lyndon johnson was the individual who brought up that if preachers talked about politics they could lose their i r s standing well that had nothing to do with with religion what that had to do with was ever since time began the preachers ministers priests whoever in front of any religious group stood up and talked about the things that were wrong with government and so what lyndon johnson's tried to do through legislation and taking the way that that opportunity to speak would in fact silence those people with moral upbringing was moral guidance and so they effectively tried to through government silence the churches so they wouldn't be the ones and at the  forefront even like martin luther king's you know if he would have had an established church and sat there and talked about the inequities of what the government was doing this church could have lost based on what lyndon johnson pushed through congress their tax status so they would be taxed for their property and everything else people don't look at that they don't look at the foundations on where some of the or why some of these things are put into place they're not for the betterment of our society there because  you know the up until the sixty's even before that the democrats stood against the the policies that would lead to voting rights and everything else for minorities and do people now see as well this is what this is democrats and all of us are the way they must have always been that wasn't the case i truly believe if kennedy was alive today he would be republican because of the fact that the left has gone so far to the left to in fact as you say secular allies this country that in fact the moral compass is lost somewhere over there you know and that's my concern and you know the evidence against that is everywhere i mean i always tell people because most students have been down to the to philadelphia to see the liberty bell walk up to the liberty bell it's right there you can almost touch it and you'll see right across the top and letters about three inches high is leviticus twenty five ten proclaim liberty throughout the land to all the inhabitants there so there's a there's a bible scripture quote right on the liberty bell the very icon of our heritage in our history if the founders thought there was a need for any separation they certainly want to put that on the liberty bell come to our capital in harrisburg it's full over fifty biblical scriptures on the walls and in in paintings and so forth if you go to the supreme court if you go to our pressmen supreme court chamber in the capitol right behind the chief justices chairs attended by fourteen foot picture of moses pounding the ten commandments and to the right of that is jesus giving the sermon on the mount with all the beatitudes listed below it so i mean when people see that when i bring constituents up and i look at them they said i thought you couldn't do this i thought there was no you can do it it's there the evidence is all there if you go to washington are monuments declare  these things if you go up there most people have been to the lincoln memorial you walk up those steps you see a blink it's in there larger than life and you look to the left and what do you see the gettysburg address chiseled in the wall and then go about three quarters of the way down that you'll see this nation under god shall have a new birth of freedom it's right there i was debating an atheist one time on on television and he said i said you don't like that to be on there i said you'd like to he said yes i would chisel it out i would cover it up i said but he said it it would have but it shouldn't be there so there are people trying to literally a race our history and pain a different picture of america and we have to preserve what's there and i'm determined to do that and that's why i try to put all these kinds of examples in my book are if you could imagine our president praying you know before d day before the d day invasion some people out there in your audience may remember this president roosevelt went on the radio and prayed for six minutes you can you can listen google it you can listen to that prayer is so powerful and he's encouraging other americans to pray continually throughout the war effort so six minutes if a president prayed like that today could change this nation but we don't even know that president roosevelt did that we have just hundreds and hundreds of examples of how our nation was always connected to god we have and i agree with you les said i think i think a lot of this is i want to say the activist judges have taken it upon themselves to try to rewrite our history and the sorry to say you know today and this rewriting history is taking place today a movie is called monument man is coming out where the germans tr undercut and a race the history of different peoples in europe by getting rid of everything getting rid of textbooks getting rid of art that they did getting rid of anything but this movie is based around saving those artifacts because you can't a race of people you know when we look back at the history of this country where we talked earlier when we talk about north korea the japanese were told that americans eat people and so that's why they would they would fight to their death because they knew they were going to land up like next to a lamb chop you know so i mean but that's that's the the thing that the media and their government told them and everybody believed to because that's all they had and now  have a country that is in turmoil because we have people who actually believe that you're not even a lot of talk about god's exactly right and they're racing that let me give you another example that if you go to carpenter's hall right behind independence hall philadelphia's carpenter that's where the continental congress met and seven hundred seventy four and that first meeting they had the first prayer in congress was right there by the reverend jacob the shame and i should take my students down there all the time and we go in there because they had a big display of the first prayer in congress and  i was when i was writing the book i went down i said to my wife let's stop it i want to get a picture that i want to put it in my book so i walked in just this past summer and i walk into the building and the display is gone and i said to the to the guide where's the display of the first person congress with this building is famous for well it was controversial of our god and so forth so we thought we the board met and they thought we redid the displays and we just would just leave that one out i said how can you leave it out you know this is this getting a sense for that all the people coming to your now will not know that this is where the first prayer in congress was held and by the way every session of congress and every session of our statehouse in harrisburg stope and it was a prayer every session since then since seven hundred seventy four but you've just erase that part of history i tell the story because while we sleep they work to erase our history and to race our god the any vestige of our godly heritage and slowly and quietly they are erasing these things unless we stand up and recognize that it was there and it should be there make sure that it gets put back well when you have a president and says we aren't a christian nation even though everything that we've ever done has been based on christianity that in fact it's a sad state of affairs you know we're getting rid of those military leaders who actually are leaders and replacing them with pencil pushers were telling priests that are serving in our armed forces that they can talk about god what's what's wrong with this picture you know we're changing this as you say that the air force academy is changing there are signs that actually gave reference to god this is this is not us this is they're trying to be somebody else and who they're trying to be who they were trying to be were like the europeans who are changing back because they find that this doesn't work for them you know and it's it's quite sad it's quite sad that these students the ones behind the cameras today have a totally different view of what when i was growing up on how our government works you know they think you know we have we have a president who passes a healthcare law that changes it on a weekly basis  and whether we ever have a law like that that our guy can just stand up and say ok now you're the contributor you don't have to be in part of health care that's not the way laws work in this kind of least that's not the way they used to work and these kids are really getting a a skewed vision of our past because of the fact of the actions of some of these people that are there today you know you as you as we started out talking about korea you know one of the government gives you everything you owe everything to the government and that's what almost fifty percent of our government receives money benefits or whatever from our government and so one day we have people who actually stand to shake giving the first grand congress well this is lay said this is something and i was always wondering and i said a girl who used to work on the program here all the time that was her first question what about church separation of church and state and i never had the opportunity to ask her why that was so important to her you know to me it just didn't seem like the other issues that we were talking we had vic's the bill on the program before he became judge here in the spiri court the first time he ran and i was one of the questions she asked him and of course vick's not a activist judge by any stretch but he does follow the constitution which is always a pleasant thing maybe the communists weren't wrong whenever they took over the first thing they got rid of was the judges and the attorneys but that's just you know it's sad funny to think that we've gone so far off of the path that in fact made us the country he was a congressman and he had the good fortune of taking a room with another freshman congressman by the name of abraham lincoln and they became good friends and then when lincoln became president he appointed james pollack the director of the u s mint and james pollock suggested that we put in god we trust on our coins  sixty four we're coming up on the hundred fiftieth anniversary that april twenty second of this year and so i'm trying to celebrate that and remind people that that model started here in pennsylvania became our motto in one nine hundred fifty six by president eisenhower made it our national motto but it's been on our hundred sixty four and it's there to remind us of our of our relationship and our connection between god and our government and so i'm out there promoting that now as a history lesson for as a pennsylvania history lesson for our for our young people and he said whatever whenever i went to school here before the earth crust cold in the sixty's our teachers took pride in sharing the truth about education history local you know the things that happened here the shiny indians and everything else they had to they took pride in telling us not a story of fiction but of fact one of the things that i have found in this book as well as sure i'll be reading these in the very near future is the fact that it's interesting to see how facts can actually change your mind and get back to to where it should be rick  i am always so pleased to have you on the program time is always too short but he said the book god in our government living with the enemy and the unseen war in iraq by bricks or cone can all be purchased through amazon all right so if you're interested as believe me if you start reading them now just real fast one of the names of the other six books oh my gosh there they d