e them and introduction one and four that align with the four cities strategic visions will sort of start with a page that has the vision statement on it then economic insights are intended to  be statistics to really sort of bring you together figure out where what's going on and when you see the concept is that these two pages right now they're very tech savvy they're essential pulled right out of the economic development plan but the thought is that these two pages would be very in for graphic he try to get a lot of information out there in a simple easy to see form and then the second topic is essentially a key issue often in economic development plans we talk about things and opportunities challenges context sometimes also in a full swat analysis strengths weaknesses opportunities threats but essentially kind of breaking it down into these two broad categories what's working well that you may want to continue to see working well what's not working well they might need to do something about in order to have certain shift so ideas to sort of replicate that in each of the chapters and then the next section are basically actions so this is the longest part of this chapter and i think what we're feeling is we don't want to do this and we don't want pages and pages and pages of goals objectives actions what we really would like to do is end up with something at the end of the day that sort of high level focuses the city on where exactly what they want to do over the next eight years but also really rely on those more in depth plans that already exist out there for the very sort of needy gritty on  we can somehow pick like ten top things that the city could sort of focus on in the next eight years there's sort of a variety of things that we can do but that the tricky part is the how we do that i think right now we want to make sure we're at least aware of everything that's on the table getting the feedback from the other connections and making sure that we've got we've got sort of the full picture and then we can figure out how to cut committees and all those other work that's going on instead of trying to identify priorities from those studies and include them in this document just identifying kind of the general overarching goals or the over themes that we can include and then rely on those documents to provide the details so that when so that if conditions change we don't have to try to figure out how to change the master plan because those other those other plans sure that i would probably see it that way rather than trying to incorporate it into the master plan because just because of the process that the statutory process forward for updating a master plan and getting it approved i think it can take some time where those other plane documents can be a little nimble and they can be updated and changed quicker and with a little bit more i'll say the more ease but there's not necessarily statutory process that you should be followed and you all those other demands had actions i guess i'd want to make sure don't read more of the plans yet so i know exactly and i guess since we have them it's and i really only looked at this once i can't i can't say i know the transportation master plan does but i don't know exactly how the concept or the master plan yeah i think we don't want this to be like a huge on reality document that nobody has read and there's the detail that you need and all those other plans so there's not really a need to repeat that but we do want to be able to create something that's useful value added because it's high level and somebody can actually see what the basic what's going on in the city and where do you want to go so yeah that answer big and we have had that discussion with her earlier today and i don't know what just the goal of the gold objectives are appropriate here that's something we can think about you know but i think a lot of the text it's in here that's in the economic development plan so let's leave it we can also livest go back to the call talking about when he was here and incorporate you know graphics and pictures and that kind of stuff i think is kind of a is a is a is a really high level state i almost look at this as a as a next level down to where we're expanding upon that to some extent but not getting into that additional on the other part of that and part of the reason why i am pushing back a little bit on some of the details and including those specific actions is because as part of the statutory requirements for the municipal development plan and what this is is that every four years the regional planning commission will come and do it but checking to see how we're implementing the plan and so we're outlining all these very detailed actions that we're not doing anything with that's not going to look very good when they come in and say well why haven't you implemented in these actions you know it's we have to be able to justify or we have to explain what we're implementing and what we're not implementing was so i think to others to simplify that piece of it as well and to give us lot but this conversation is going to help a lot so the world will work on exactly what the right our titling actions maybe what title that part implementation or something instead but we'll we can kind of figure out what that whole section will look li so one thing so if you go to the very last  that what you'd like to see for the city and i think this is from i think this concept comes from you folks that was supposed to other commissions that one of the sort of broader overarching themes that you'd like to see is that you're really balancing development with an equal investment in and public service needs and this concept of developing development that supports public service related to public safety goals so this is sort of like one of the issues that's kind of really brought in sort of overarching to a bunch of different topics but it's something that was in your original outlined that was one thing that didn't really get sort of captured in this text so i'm not quite sure this concept has has not many feet so far in here other than it really does kind of title three that's in this section  and i think particularly now that we're going to sort of stay high level in the implementation piece i think we can like kind of get that concept sort of really incorporated in there without difficulty does that make sense  yeah and i think we can figure it out maybe you know if we start sort of sticking with sort of a goal objective concept we can kind of bring it in there or even if we're sticking with the ball level we can kind of make sure we get it in there something that should be addressed specifically in the plan so i don't know if folks know this question even as it's sort of framed so currently you've got a couple of properties in the city typically it is helpful to have your master plan comprehensive plan and help lay out the concept of how leaders yelling should go i don't know that this may be something that's unlikely addressed in any of those other specific plans i think and so if we don't address it in the master plan that i don't know that it's going to be covered whether it's a question that the planning commission wants to make a decision on right now i i don't know i don't know that i just know that it's been sort of a question for a while about what's happening with those properties so would you put in there like maps of the existing land use point so i mean that's still on the table there has been conversations over the years about gilbride and what should happen out there but again it's a it's one of those things it's going to be a whole lot of interest from waterfalls so one thing we could say is that it simply is something to be looked at you know we could sort of say that high level  define what our future really and use categories are and lay out a map that reflects that so we don't there's no there's no prescription for what the future may use categories are and how we follow that we can we can determine in our own for what needs going down the road going on the road yes ok so we've got a future land use map that that identifies specific specific areas but then we can also have that future when you snap can say these areas are for future study and future analysis and that's to be determined i was wondering if for example those drills three areas you talked about if it can be a future could be you know industrial slash public slighter you know just there but that could be i guess when you're describing the zoning that could be one of the descriptions if you're going to say natural or industrial you know if you have several descriptors for that zone or whatever those parks are right and if you just saying you might have something about natural areas and you might want to preserve them is my contacts to preserve those natural areas even though that perk might also be known as industrial you know so at least half of it will never be developed and maybe more memorial park the same way behind the industrial building it's never going to develop so but there's a level of development and like you could have bayern standing there could you designation essentially gets for the city is that developments if they meet the priority housing definition which is essentially means some component of moderate and affordable housing they're exempt from actually fifty and generally speaking i say in vermont our permanent system is very complicated very  lots of layers of it and lots of repeated layers of review of the same types of things that i would argue that when you see typically is a place where  you've got staff now who can review these applications and it's a place where really from a state wide perspective from a regional perspective it's an improved replace for growth not necessarily everywhere like we just talked about with these natural areas but it's an appropriate place for growth so my opinion is that you really don't need actually fifty view at in the city you heard zoning i think for the most part throughout the city qualifies for the neighborhood as a designation area throughout the whole city it doesn't mean that you're going to change your zoning to do tons more development in all those areas it just means that you're creating a an opportunity to not have to have a very complicated complex multilevel old development review process this is y necessarily mean at the end of the day that it makes the most sense to sit here and i think jesse makes a great point that we probably don't need to come to a great conclusion or decision on it until we get to the housing piece and also this may be this is sort of a very in the weeds specific action which we may decide doesn't necessarily even need to live in this high level plan so we can circle back around to it but i did just want to bring it i mean you wouldn't necessarily have to extend it to the entire city if you didn't want to i think because your zoning qualifies for the entire city i don't know why you wouldn't just go for the whole thing but if you to go for the whole thing then would you have to give it to a neighbor name like a neighborhood name i guess i'm just wondering because that might affect how you write your document if we're looking at different neighborhoods or  don't think so but that's a great that's a good question i think when we when you got the neighborhood designation to begin with on the gateways if we had a little bit more time we may have be sort of like i don't know what to call it a bit of a buffer on top of the other state does ignatius and that can only be so big but when you see it is so small to begin with that it actually  so that is a good question from there are really the states requirements on how you get this designation and they are pretty adamant that they want your plans to be clear about your both your existing dozen nations and to programs like neighborhood designation is that there are some statutory requirements that when they when the state goes through their application checklist it if they can point to a section in your plan where it talks about the designated program then you're not eligible basically and so we'll need to include it even if we're not going to pursue it and that goes for the dozen nations that already exist maintaining the designation is also a requirement as well k so that's the end of my very specific questions for you if you want to get into the plan a little bit more or think there is this question about the vision statement right off the series right off the start conversation right now or whether you want to sort of open this up if there's any other specific things that folks want to say about this i hear about this ye far better and clearer statement and to me what small town feel is supposed to be capturing without incompatibilities with the small town feel free to think so i would with a sense of community pride and i like the idea though that when you're just saying that it's accessible it's a small space that is walkable and everything when you say community pride it doesn't really get to he can share and together so i think that i don't know if it's going to be said they're actually what that sense of community means but it's certainly going to be in all our sort of thoughts would have maybe makes sense to keep because the vision that's here is what's the community vision statement for economic vitality keep it as it is but then in kind of the introduction to this section maybe talk about what that really needs and capture all these ideas that we've just been talking about so that so there's more than explanation of what kind of what the vision needs to to the city when you see in this component so we're are we are we are in agreement about crossing over from with you feel i'm wondering if there needs to be a little more description i do agree with that i mean i sit in in a small urban community but i i think it's a big big city you know that's why i think the small town is nice because it sort of gives an idea of population size and everything like that and also but i don't think it's it's it's a city so yeah it could just be a to but i think that just based on what's said before the survey that went out that one of the things that attracts people to news give me some ground to be a new ski is a sense of of knowing your neighbors and how critical is it for you all that we tie this to the existing economic vitality vision and i'm wondering if that's where part of this hang up is coming that because it's it is the stated vision as it says right to your vision that if we call it this is the economic vitality section but instead of having that same vision we're just keeping the connection with economic vitality and then coming up with a new statement that talks about trying to wordsmith this vision statement to make it fit what we're trying to do instead we can present the economic vitality section and what we're trying to do with this section moving forward in the master plan  is x and that's what we describe here to try to capture some of these ideas as well yeah i think that yeah probably i think that maybe yeah yeah but not lose sight of what we've already got back trying to hold poland some of those other that yes so i don't have any particular questions or anything in this section one thing i do want to point out is when you're when you're reading through this probably what feels like is missing is some sort of kind of margin or based demographics of the city like that's kind of like it's a big part about who you are particularly who hugely tied to the economic vitality but again that will have a whole other chapter so a lot of the pieces will be there too so these are really like you know you're kind of standard economic pieces of information what kind of businesses are for it to not be that way that's easy like graphically representing things like that ye process all right and then the next section i don't know if this is this or goals objectives actions i'm not quite sure that we're going to sort of stick with this as it is right now  but any thoughts of that i mean i think there were some suggestions earlier maybe sticking up the bowl around maybe only the objective level are there just in looking at this first section is that are there any thoughts on that those two levels feel like the and you never have more than three objectives for the right if we did it still be because if it's not covered in another plan then yes it probably should go in but maybe it's general enough that it can guide you to those other plans that would give that a specific specific you know specific really whether you are incorporating other those all of those other plans by reference into this or whether they are truly separate documents a benefit of incorporate by little bit tricky about that is those other plans will be amended over time not necessarily always in lockstep with this master plan so you can have things a little bit out of whack  it's not the end of the world but if you wanted to give that other stuff a little bit of standing you could that we could do it and portrayed by reference which is fairly simple i think obviously the things that are incredibly important maybe you just include in the things that are somewhat important reference perfectly well into any one of these sections so it's a good part maybe it's something that comes right in the intro in terms of like some of those sort of broad defining geographic places and things that are sort of geographically setting the stage for some of the priorities and concepts that you see sort of develop later on in each of the chapters i can i've got plenty to work with and i can sort of move forward and come back next time with some things reworked itself something we look at those things rework so we can discuss review bastrop with schedule yes so this was just real quick i didn't i did not provide the schedule to you all but we've talked a little bit already and as regina noted at the beginning tonight we're kind of changed or around a bit but so next hour in the next meeting on july twenty sixth we will continue discussion on economic vitality and be introduced to the municipal infrastructure section so we're going to  discussion and finish up hopefully finish up be done by tallahassee to move on to to the next to the next section that's kind of the process we use going forward over the next several meetings to finish one section introduce the next back and forth second meeting but also we will be sort of returning back to the hall at the end as one solid piece so we may have a lot of things that certain are sitting on the back burner just because it's just too hard to know without really getting it comprehensive don't feel the pressure that at the end of next meeting it's the last time you're going to have any opportunity to look at distress yet and do some changes yes that's a really great point i can get a really good dream ok you know review the public outreach yeah the only thing i want to note on this was that the i guess the last meeting i was not here because i were curious but we know it sounds like there was discussion on the poster which i have a final versions of that for you all to taken distribute so that's ready to go base that includes the comments that you all discussed this far as i know and we did some initial i'll reach this week already  press release i think there's a property for a post and things like that regina has drafted a post as well that we can use we did not send it out because it was we sent the other information already earlier this week but we have it ready to go that we can send next through whenever kind of kicking off the process and letting folks know about where the materials are the e mail account has been set up the generic e mail has been set up to direct information me which i believe is on the posters as well and we're going to be hosting all the information on the city's web site with some tangential referencing from the c r p six websites well so i don't think there was anything specific that i needed to sure how we're pretty but i have a stack over here it looks like they were going to be posted around town and places so you can take them wherever you want and we can do that too but they're for you to take if you if you want to hear otherwise we will take care of getting them out  the first year in august and yet the first one was august fifth and you know i talk a little bit about this as well when we do that the other day about whether or not we'll have enough to tiriel yet to even to present at the world market so we need to think about what we would want to do we want to keep those dates as far as getting input from from the community on other topics maybe upcoming topics things like that but so that's still kind of up in the air at this point i think but those are days that we three the first one could introduce you s actually what i'm saying is i'm happy to go it is very beneficial for their view somebody like the planning commission over there who's actually from the community to help search talk talk through stuff and we definitely did that for the for riscos project and it was you know pretty great you know it's a different kind of interaction you're getting people for like two minutes maybe five minutes so it's a you know i don't necessarily think we have anything to get feedback on right now as as eric was saying so it's a little bit more just like that's why this is happening kind of thing so i don't know how urgent it needs to happen before september or something so i don't know meeting as the public hearing