and we also restarted my sixty five thousand dollar reduction so there's a reduction of sixty five we're going to put the hundred and thirty thousand back for the helmets the chief agreed on turnouts and and you agreed to do half so under fire operations we're going to need to store and adjustment to add an additional one hundred five thousand three hundred i to meet the fifty percent on turnouts that you've supported for the department so that means that and then we are doing a reduction for the one thing appropriation no boats in the previous year one thousand one seven earlier so that is the status just spent so far any questions so let us return she we are on page twenty four members are any proposals for the committee mr white thank you chair you know i feel that they this group made a good point yesterday that one of their challenges is salary increases so i'd like to propose that we provide an increase on this line on line six five six and line six six one  provide a four percent increase in their budget for the purposes of and i don't think this needs to be a proviso but the goal is to have them provided some additional funding so that they have the ability to give their staff increases and you know i'm i'm very comfortable doing that i'm not comfortable going much beyond that because it's  clear to me that they're doing some really good stuff but i'm not quite ready to move beyond the support level general support level that we've been at and there are couple of reasons for that one is that as i mentioned the other day a wahoo the hawaiian lion humane society which is the one that serves a law gets two point three million dollars from sitting in kind of  loop and they're operating budgets i believe around seven point three so they get about thirty one percent of their budget from the county and the remainder the remaining five million is generated from the community so i think we're at a level where we are providing about sixty eight sixty seven percent of the money that's coming in from the outside  balance of that is provided by donations fundraising efforts and so on and while they're asking us to cover sixty eight percent of the other costs  the the moneys that we give them allow them to generate a lot of extra revenue i don't remember what their earned income is but i believe it's over four hundred thousand dollars and members will remember that i asked since we're being asked to cover sixty eight percent of the costs are we able to get sixty eight percent credit for sixty eight percent of the revenues and of course they said no so you know i feel that they're headed in the right direction i support what they're what they're doing but to give a little more perspective  since two thousand and ten their cash balance at year end has grown from five hundred twenty thousand to seven hundred thirty five thousand their investments much to their credit have grown from two hundred eighty six thousand to one they're given that are restricted to spay neuter which is one of the great focuses that we all agree on back in two thousand and ten the balance in the space neuter puppies i account was one hundred forty five thousand it's now two hundred sixteen killgore spay neuter program was in two thousand and ten it's now two hundred three thousand so they're they're restricted assets and they're all focused on spain and spain neuter programs have grown from five hundred seventy thousand to eight hundred twenty thousand their net assets have grown from  you're right because you're not providing what you're required to provide by contract which i don't i don't accept your you're making us eat into our assets so that's the reason that i asked for the the audit financials because i want to find out whether that was in fact diminishing their assets well this shows that you know we're providing sixty seven percent of the new money every year we're not getting any credit for the revenues that are generated through that and so i think it's very fair for us to give them an increase but i don't think it's time yet for us to move to provide them the sizable increase that they requested especially in light of the fact that we're  at sixty eight percent we're more than double the percentage that is being provided by sitting kind of one of the i think they've done some fabulous things i think their work on getting the spain to her program and for five years absolutely  think the figures that show shared with us by actually shared with some of us i don't know who else heard from mr custer but there are places on the mainland where they significantly increased the expenditure on spay neuter programs and it has it's had a dramatic dramatic decrease in the number of animals coming into the shelter i mean it's not rocket scientists rocket science so i i really give them kudos for bringing that program and i think that's the first step in us getting control of costs for the shelter and all the various if i were in reviewed testimony by it it is as looking over their requests i was willing to go maybe three for us chair my question is a proviso for a lark and that you know they needed service to us some work but was it i thought there was some testimony saying that the had reached out to them and organization you know for me i try to make sure that people's dollars go to people services first but with this animal component yes we've provided some moneys through the budget in this manner for them when they didn't that needed it in that request for which i appreciate it and when they need it they go after the money that you know is available through our increase would be twenty seven thousand one hundred seven dollars would bring the total to nine thirty six seventy five and for the animal unfortunate program a three percent increase on the five thirty six would be sixteen thousand and ninety one dollars and so straight right now five fifteen adopted and mirrors and chairs proposed was nine zero three five six eight for animal force meant the chair is proposing that three eighty six three ninety one come out of general fund and one hundred fifty thousand come out of the and all management special revolving fund and so a three percent increase on f y fifteen's adopted amount of five thirty six three ninety one would be sixteen thousand and ninety one dollars and that would bring the total out of the general fund from three eighty six three hundred one to four zero two four eighty two unless the boss for the updates and you know and i want to see it on the record that i apologize for misspeaking in reference to the after hours care people  by our animal rescue my staff who did get assistance would try to but it was too expensive was a whole different a company and something or other so it was not the person the people that i refer to yes so i just want to clear the air and on the record thank you so i apologize for that but you know i do know and this couple of the people who do that wonderful volunteers you know but i think the humane society can provide much more professional higher level in essence they have the facilities they have actual vets surgeons and all the needs that way so i would like to see some how you know encourage it and support that after hours because i've had to had incidents where something occurred late night and there was nowhere to go but i appreciate the increase in hopefully at this point we can they can make do with what they're going to get at or i'm in support of the increase you know i've had the opportunity to spend some time with the new director and she's incredibly well qualified for the job she has enthusiasm and a lot of knowledge and you can already see in the context already that she's bringing in the main way that she's well connected and doesn't hesitate to ask for help and bring resources to my way so i think we should reward that kind of person and we'll monitor but i think it's a good investment thank you thank you any further comments are need for us are for kishen do we have consensus so this is thank you  ma'am so we have to provide those under the animal sheltering program just so we will reflect the three percent increase to those two if i felt as well to reflect the three percent increase that was large and poor and i understand provisos because i do them all day long too but if you just me just to make sure i mean not that you don't trust that in case a lark so i mean mr boss you said yes they are going to use it  but because they haven't in the past and it's in their up and up about if he needed or not but this in essence locks it in right that's a provisos about for the intent of this particular use so for example if so happens they're like no no again we don't need it this entity could not utilize it any other way to assist in their you know day to day so you know i understand they said yes but i hate to the entire amount of the cut because the sooner we get ahead of this the better off we'll be and just for clarification my wife is not somebody doesn't have the money to spend new to their animal they'll fill in the gaps and so they have no paid staff this is all done by volunteers and they've streamlined the process and  s what they're doing the other challenge is that but you see the well one of the challenges we've got with this and other grants is the timing of the funding and of five hundred thirty six thousand one fifty is that is in the special revolving fund is the max that we are going to draw from that fund that supplements the general fund addition of i believe mr barnes four hundred thousand plus that you had that too that will be the three percent over the current five thirty six three ninety  one so the one fifty will not change that number will stay the same thank you thank you mr chair yes mr coe i'm just trying to do the math in my head you're reducing the funds from that the special revenue we've almost been in order so that they can expend them is that correct are you me no no i guess i'm i'm not by soit that what we're not the discussion that we had last night was that we're using this fund grows but don't get used all that quickly correct and so we're using part of that fund to fund the operations they still have access to the remainder of the fund right so that one fifty that you're taking out of this the resolve revolving fund goes to where it goes to fund all the operations projecting for fiscal year sixteen is about three hundred thousand five hundred out of four hundred ninety seven dollars the revenue revolving fund generates between fifteen and and seventy thousand dollars a year depending on the number of  require you know licenses that are and charges that are made that are deposited into it just for the committees reference fiscal year two thousand and ten a similar thing was done three hundred seventy five thousand dollars  of the amount of the revolving fund was utilized for operations and so it brought the revolving fund on to physically or eleven to six thousand dollars balance and it's been growing up since then so it seems to be a kind of  a thing that grows and then gets utilized and then grows and it gets utilize you know it's it's a coach so mr chair if you're using those funds for operating why would the corcoran the special revenue revolving fund and i know we got you mails in reference there said it's only a one time ask him and something from the new things the restrictions are put on the agency our powers by the charter thank you and so so this is not no i like what we're doing in fact i'd like to do more about my my point is so in that sense then you know we we want to give people rein see how they deal with it manage it and  like you've been stating if they do well or word them and look into possibly you know giving more and assisting more and what have you so is this something where if they came in down the road i mean within possibly the same physical to know they believe the restriction was put on by the department because you know especially when this administration took took office the balance of the fund was under seventy thousand dollars right so there was there was no money left in the fund and so i think the restrictions were appropriate counsel's actions today you know if used to through this committee action will be spending on a large portion of it and there still will be a remaining balance that the  agency could following the guidelines that they had set by the department in the past possibly utilize for one time expenditure items as well but i'm going to probably recommend that  be looked at in very close detail before you know more expenditures are coming out of this fund if the intent is to use it for operating expenditures because we do we don't have zero out the balance again we want to make sure that there's some money available in case we need it is kind of in essence safe to say like an emergency fund for them in case some stickers i suppose you could you could think of it that way you know it's a it's a risk you know it's a revolving fund you know the money comes in and it's available for the purposes that are set forth in the code so as long as it's for those purposes set forth in the code and under the restrictions that either this council puts on it or and forstmann last year because by thirty six as i understand so and then the new total is four o two is that what i heard mr boggs because i thought we're going to do three total amount they're getting for the animal enforcement the so for zero to forty two is coming from general fund one hundred fifty thousand is coming from so i suppose that's right i remember now the reason that's there is because that's the department of justice that works with the prosecutor that's why i wanted that one back so that that was a grand position and then  computers for the prosecutor's office the question in my mind is whether that since since indication was the prosecutor's office wasn't too concerned about going after funding for it again you know i would be i would be comfortable with reducing the prosecutor's operations line or or a account and it were to cover that i just throw that up for  prosecuting attorneys office limited  because that's how this position was created a limited term so that the governor instead it's fine so is there any questions the proposal is to add this position in as an l t a we are going to reduce they quibble in dollar amount from the department of person or prosecuting attorneys and that's subtraction the whole be added to the department of management for this position that is the proposal  well the reduction is almost the exact amount of the computer lifecycle i forget what they call it and the life cycle plan and you know it's just the more we keep putting off replacing the computers the a less secure everything is in the further behind we get so my request is to restore the eighty nine five sixty what is the thing with them are you know where mr coe i believe he said that they're going to be able to move more towards the internal stuff including cyber security et cetera because right now they're stacked up and that alleviates a lot of mundane day to day stuff where they can go do the the other half of this of us you have any additional comment yes mr try believe that is correct  challenges they've been having with the current computer systems that they don't have enough time to be proactive in those areas so alleviating the staff from from doing the day to day maintenance and and warranty repairs on the it was whatever you take them for consideration in four and so you know this is preventing us from having to hire more people to begin with anyway just to keep up so that's for the committees a consideration  i think we need to be included in the discussion so far we're going to move saber forward especially this security component as well as the insurance component good point you i'm not sure what the life cycle contract will entail but it sounded to me like the life cycle program that mr kirk it was talking about  would mean that they would come in third party would so the correct word for it but it would format the computer they would install the software and and put them in place  is that you're standing with your couch and so if you look at that process times twenty eight hundred nine thousand computers that's a lot of lot of time saved so know with that chair i'm i'm ok i just i just think that there's there's a lot of work that we're saving the department by going in this direction you know i agree and that's why my my my concern  physicians to appreciate your comments anything else members this a printer you know and i want to you know i agree with your wife that you know at this point this will help see you know in the overall scheme of things like you said man i was so i'm not sure i know this will get the program started and you know i was looking at something like fifty percent of this just to make sure i and the desktops will have a four year life cycle and so every four years they're going to get replaced but this amount that we're putting in is going to be an amount that's going to be in the budget for pretty much you know as long as we run this program until the council decides that they don't want to go forward with this type of situation so a reduction of that would be you know you wouldn't it wouldn't work  seven zero five reasons why we should reconsider this what is the benefits what might be some of the challenges but this comes back next year so we will measure and will show see pharmacists and we can make adjustments any other comments members on this is there consensus of the eight eight nine five six zero eight that's the only part i had to revisit in this area office of the know you want to add not i think we've talked about this enough so i hope the members whatever they decide and i'd like to see that restart peace is a consensus consensus for and you know i may step on somebody's still show me stuff we up at least you know that this could be used for the secretarial staff from what i understand again we've talked about in this chambers about equitable pay and there you know so could we put a proviso that be stepping out of bounds you know that's what i'm asking appropriate for us to provide a four percent increase or something of that nature four percent would be about seventy thousand and three percent increase would be fifty three already on other items dismaying at three percent i'm hoping to three percent mr victory know how to different proposal yeah well i understand but i'm thinking what i'm putting before the  you thank you thank you i think if i can recall did we not pass a resolution on equitable salary for some of the secretaries or clerks or something negotiations right so for those collective bargaining units but the lead unit three there is a contract that's being proposed to be ratified talking so i'm go so i think you just to keep this in perspective the one ninety one that is that we're talking about under ninety one thousand dollars as believe that a thirteen percent increase apply for civil service that's a type of positions they choose to work in the office of their mere knowing the limitations of what the marriage can and can't do with compensation just like those who work for us bit in the limitations of the resources and also provides services two point six percent i'd didn't work the numbers by trust mr white's calculations and that would be thirteen percent of the existing salaries right so theoretically then the money would be available for raises but i can guarantee you that the mayor would not arise thirteen percent raises for his police but you know if it's you know whatever percentage that the committee feels comfortable with ok thank you i think it's important that we understand up the possibilities here i'm willing to entertain some kind of a  soviet just meant but i can understand the concern over thirteen percent across the board allocation correct and they're asked one of them asked for it back so i think that's what some of that was for so i yeah i'm fine with that they were able to live with the existing number they can live with the same number for the three percent of just one is based on f y fifteen amounts or the f y sixteen proposed it's on the fifteen among you know and then just in follow up there was some transfers out of the mayor's office which had reduced the overall amount in the mayor's office employees that were transferred to the department of finance according to the budget details oh excuse me there was a budget program which  we need to make sure that the increases based on the budget department coming back in and the you know whatever whatever the reduction was with some of the staff can figure it out i think that the vote is whether it's three discussion and giving the mayor the opportunity to you know what do you see increases to where ever he feels proper i wanted to put the proviso about the clerical staff and having them make sure that somehow they were i also have i've been thinking about the situations that we have in the committee of the whole and you had mentioned the sunshine provisions that do not apply to the a how sometimes there are statements made by the office of information i don't know if you call my director or whatever it is they have they're in charge of making those statements but we had a discussion in community the whole in terms of how do we fashion an ordinance or some type of provisions to try to  limit that type of representation in these type of statements that could possibly hinder some of our cases and i couldn't think of any other way to do it and so i i was thinking possibly of providing maui public information office and i have copies of their letterhead and i'd like to distribute those to the members who clearly just what is this mr and please to clearly show that the title of that office is the county of maui so it it's out there representing the voice and statements of the county and so i would rather it be limited to changing the title of that office to the mayor's office of public information so therefore it would limit  representation of the county so whatever the director sets forth in the pub in the media those statements are coming from clearly coming from the mayor's office and not representing the county so that's my explanation and that and that part my provision my proviso would simply state that provided that seventy four thousand three hundred forty two shall be appropriated on condition that proper designation a reference to representation in title name of the maui county public information office shall be changed and amended to delete reference to maui county in its title and representation thus substituting such reference to that count to the office of the mayor it's just basically substituting county county of maui and just inserting the office of mayor in the mayor's office so that it's clearly stated out there in the public that whatever statements is coming out from that something i understand your your goal in your proposal mr them is that you want this to be a more long term policy i guess that unless the council is in agreement with the administration only then does it become  consider on a more long term or permanent basis to the code to do something and use a committee time instead of today's time to get something like this yeah because i think if you want this more than if not let's go to what many people have been waiting for grants see we have consensus on seven thirty yeah we did r thank you and it's in reference coincides with the line seven five one section due to the deletion of the state department of ag joint fact finding study the by adding that fifty up into this grand disbursements for agricultural promo and then provide out of the twenty thousand for farmers union united which is just bringing them back to flat from last year because it's in the currently existing proviso they've been getting so then the fifty thousand that's added into this p from below i want to provide is there were thirty five kate for them to get a grant manager in order to get out there and really infuse more funding into their organization for you know like somebody who comes in their organization as a staff member i would like to see the money used to hire you know whatever expertise they need to get a grant dollars it may be this person to be maybe another person  unusual i don't think most non profits do it that way they kind of tend to you know contract with a grand writer who has the expertise that they need at that time and in the money the other challenge with a grant writer is you could also for incentives based on how successful the grant writer is so that's another option for them to use so i don't know but it's unusual to like i said just give me thirty five thousand  scribble thank you i agree what you're seeing i think it's the intention is well taken but if i'm not mistaken and they have an individual i don't know what her sure they're all volunteers but there's an individual and in the organization that has that expertise and my and experience it nonprofit it's a hit and miss with your manager so to do all right you know provide just for this great manager because we have so many people tick come to claim that they are grant writers anyone else miss it yes i just want to put forth and i'm in support of these provisos but if we were to vote on it i would request that they be separated and two separate votes one for the twenty k and the other for the thirty five k my concern is my focus has always been on the mentoring program and i've had in my committee for several agenda items and so yeah wholeheartedly they've proven themselves in regards to the first twenty that we've given them in reference to their approach their mentoring an educational component and then this is yes this is a new idea but basically they're you know it's about farming it's about all the agricultural type aspects of a seemed to have and there's no name written obviously but a contract administrator who write grants and what their intent is of course and i'm sure everybody's is the intent for it to pay itself but they just don't have the funds to even get this ball rolling and wanted assistance from us to go in and hopefully tap into ninety seven million the is out there currently i believe with the u s d a grants and they have a whole laundry list of other grants they really want to shoot for and that's what this particular person will be assisting in and it does not unfortunately say it's a one time ask but for me what i'm reading is they hope to get you know if money to take care of it this person will have that expertise to just garner that type of revenue into their organization and take care of itself so that's kind of it in a quick note show of what the thirty five is for right now but i understand and if there's a way to maybe if people are comfort with dropping that figure you know  that where you want to and part of this measurements is we'll see how their ability to grow not for the county to grow them but the good themselves so for us let's take things that fifteen budget and that you would like to have we retained in that twenty sixteen budget yes ok so mr white right my sense is that the mentoring program is doing such a good job i would suggest we end up my sense of the two is that if we're at the mentoring program is where we really see the been doing a good job of getting them access to other funds and i agree with misplaces comment that that shouldn't be hiring a grant writer you should be basically engaging a grant writer and i think the sort of thirty five there i would i would be comfortable with something between fifteen and twenty so i just throw that out for committees consideration no no no the my my recommendation would be that the current twenty proviso be increased to twenty five ok and then the grant writing program proviso be reduced from thirty five to either fifteen or this is what i'm going to have you think about on the proviso i am open to up to twenty five thousand for that which is so that they can get the grant written and apply for those funds then those funds can be used to take care of their own grant writer if they want to do so and even incentive program the compensation is provided through successful grant returning to the organization that i believe is a more reasonable and responsible way to approach i believe the cause that i've been hearing you in our discussion and stay stay within reasonable considerations mr i think you're i think that is very reasonable and i would hope that my colleague is cochran would support that just a different approach mr cochran by think you can achieve what you would like to have discussed but and thank you very much chair and i wholeheartedly agree and thank you again for you know being in just see quick equality around during this budget process so i completely agree and i believe this will again like accomplish the goals the intent that i was seeking here and give them now when they grow and we can assist you know a little further and fully they will be successful and take care of everything on their own one day but thank you very much and i'm open to that so i'm going to consensus my own  we cannot promote agriculture unless we have the farmers and i think that's what i appreciate about this you are going to and i also feel too that part of the monies that you've set aside would only the fifteen thousand they can recognize then how they're going to leverage that to bring in whatever grants are out there on them and most nonprofits need some sort of muscle to  leverage thank you for that i think most of us have some experience with the nonprofit or so my space i like to support the compromise i think it's a good one that way they get a little bit more as a reward for the successful program and i'm ok with the idea with the grant writer i think that's a very i think most of them property would love to have had opportunities because most profits have to contract with a grand writer and they have to find money somewhere to do that to get the grant rich right and then once the grant is written many times the grant writer will get something a percentage of what they do so i think it's a wonderful compromise the members for a very good discussion this and it's something that we really need to do i do want to make sure that this is for all types of farming and not just a specific niche farming and i don't know that we will measure what they call for next year review and then make again whatever is appropriate adjustments thank you sir mr white thank you to my recollection that the farmers union has not accessed the twenty thousand dollars that we gave them for this year yet so hopefully they're on the ball with that and will we get their requests or their reimbursement requirements and so is that correct mr b first twenty fifteen so they have not spent any money so far for this year much i seem to recall that it was one twenty five we didn't restore the twenty five thousand we just moved the fifty thousand up that's what my memory is but you know that's that's what the effect is go right when you had fifty to  you know we kind of of that fifty so that leaves that fifteen which could go to my recycling project actually with any committed fifteen thousand dollars new money fight those in additional fifty left you know numbers can that be moved over to offset that fifteen thousand i know we're going to look elsewhere university state and what have you but if we're talking agriculture we're talking about promotion i and all the pick technical support that comes with the university thank you mr white you know i would support that i think that the part of the testimony that was provided that i was concerned about is the reduction in the research on the barriers plant diseases that the farmers are dealing with and so i'm i'm supportive of restoring this i think it's that it's in the county's best interest to do so and i  these folks have also shown that if they don't need the money they came and told us a look we don't need it this year and so they i think that was two or three years ago that they said you know we're still doing the study we have enough money from last year so please take us down to zero and we did and so i think they're very very good managers of the county's money and we get we get way more than what we put in so i support this in space so thank you very much chair and i too would like to support restoring the money you know those of us that have been a role in the well grew up with you ladies and they also do work with fo life education and home and family life education which is really not emphasized a lot these days and they teach women you know how to be a better house wasn't homemakers and how to make better use of their budgets and whatever so i think this is really important and it does benefit our community i think it's money well spent thank you yeah i would like to support this as well but i would also like to add a proviso and in which a certain amount of money would be provided be using conjunction with a training program for people that would be interested in the county for developing an inspector program just to identify what is a farm blah blah blah i'm not sure whether that it would have that type of training middle she gave it to us twice but i know i noticed that i guess that with some cuts they've taken away from the biggest pesticide use program and things of that nature if anything having that portion of their program already in it to be beefed up i'm not looking for any provisos i'm just seen a fink the focus on what they do to incorporate that and not delete stuff like that especially with the ongoing discussions of the different types of farming practices that are occurring here but my question in the heading of this description i guess i just never really realized there are also human resources between talking about pests in our crops and sewing and cooking but if i thought if anything of a perv ice those certain amount should go to the ag portion and certain amount to go to that human resource part because to me there's correlation family building whatever but treating yourself but it seems kind of too different in a sense and the whole submittal by m has no i don't see any reference to the human resources partners i mean we all about the whole ag which is fine but it's something that mr kaiser wanted to focus on in years past because of  affected the protea industry and then they had to deal with the banana virus and yeah i mean you know i mean i don't disagree they've done good work but maybe we should just codis the company of my  college of tropical wave in church because you know if the university won't support them the legislature won't support them and let's call it what is the county of my always program  thank you very much to her i did i think miss reeves is here yes she is and you know i don't want to be talking about something that is outdated could we ask her if they're still doing these things and i'm i'm i'm recalling is there any website there's so much so much what they have to offer and it's open to all of us to utilize it as far as it is in the egg world i think we have an much and mystery of thank you for being here because i think we want to be sure that we understand you know what your program what you're trying to do with your money and you know i want to tell you that you know even in our case once in a while we'll find a bug and we don't know what it is so we take it to see and see and they'll find out or we have a disease problem with our flowers or fruits or vegetables and again we would ask them you know have to take a look at this what do we need so could you tell us what you what you're really doing over there got to be quick ok absolutely and at some point i'd like to invite council members to come and visit with us but we have a wide variety of programs including both agriculture and human resources we basically have an agent that focuses on the edible crops we have an agent a focus on landscaping and turfgrass we have an agent that focuses on nutrition and food safety and that is one area of expansion that we're looking at in terms of the human services side because of the the f d a regulations coming down for food safety management we have an agent that focuses on urban horticulture and a master gardener program we offer soil analysis through our office so anybody can come in the door with two cups of soil in a bag and get that analyzed we work with both commercial farmers and home gardeners in that respect we have right now two vacancies in our agents one of them is the four agent that we're looking to hire right now we have livestock for each and the family consumer science side of for each last year maui county actually sent twenty two youth to the national for each congress in washington d c the other counties only send one or two so we have a very strong program there are other they can see is our master gardener position which very interest into being for right now and we years or something and we had an indian lady from india give us a cooking class on how to cook indian food and she brought a salary and showed us how to wrap it in whatever and so i was really impressed because that was still going on right what research are you guys doing over there again we actually have a lot of research going on up there on a number of different issues we have protea plants right now that are are being marketed up there  got an operation going up there we just had a new project put in on sweet potatoes we're looking at sweet potatoes we have a huge project on maui sweet onions we have another project on cabbage head cabbage and chinese cabbage a lot of the researchers from a law who like to come and do their research at the agricultural research station because it offers them a higher elevation place to test their crops so that they are able to test them both on a wahoo in the lower elevations and then come here and testament higher elevations and see how they do and work and look at the past as well so basically in your program or your and tittie you have the expertise to identify what a farm would be or how different crops would be grown things like that and would you in addition to that would you be available if the county requested an expert from your entity to come in look at a place to see whether in fact it is a farm absolutely i mean we could do that if it was going to be on a you know long term basis i think we would need to look at it you know whether it's going to be a contract with the county or if it's going to be ongoing but we certainly have the expertise and we can provide the ok thank you very much thank you share and just in relation to the cool ag park usage by you folks my understanding is that department of water supply does not give you a water rates and i'm wondering why because you state a lot of ag uses that that was interesting i met with with many of the with all of the councillors or most of the council members about this issue and it was an interpretation of the water regulations by the water department that we weren't meeting the commercial ag aspect to obtain the water rates you had to be able to sell at least a thousand dollars of your product to be able to qualify for the ag water rates well you know we are research agriculture operation we support quick commercial agriculture and it's very difficult for us and although we do allow people to come up and take cuttings from our protea plants and we do have some sales we're not essentially a commercial operation where research and education operation so in the past we were able to qualify for the ag rates because we are an agricultural research station we are see targets educational but there was a different interpretation of the regulations this year and they rescinded our water rates i had conversations with many council members i also met with the mayor's office about it and that has since been put back so we are now we do now have our ag water rates for this year it's a yearly thing i hope some point maybe we can look at putting a little revision into the regulations so that we're not subject to this on a year by year basis thank you  i don't know but so the cool agricultural park obviously has its parameters and criteria to allow people to lease and be there so i'm here in i guess initially i guess is the commercial component of it if you don't have certain amount of dollars revenue now you're not considered or you follow their parameter of being it can you can do it multiple ways we either can  lastly you mentioned you folks do soil now assists can you test for that's a good question and i can't answer that i'd have to find out exactly all of the we have two pages of things that we mr coach i did have a discussion with mr taylor about that and he said yeah the he's absolutely fine with throwing it and you know making sure it's a law so that he doesn't have to you know decide one way that there or if somebody else comes in after him so he would love to have it as well thank you misplace thank you very much to her and i would be very happy to take care of that in my committee i'm kind of thinking more along the lines of saying if you are in the egg not on road it's not in the ag park right it's in cool but not in the park was to us i believe it's by the cool of vacuum cool plant in that area very much members i had asked in preparation for this round if you had provisos that you wanted to consider it have repaired so that it can be printed out and we can have it before the members faces so please as much as possible with assistance from either staff or mr we'll if we can do that they will be helpful so that members can actually see the written the making decisions of us not just do things on the fly and make you know i'm just trying to avoid this work we've got to do it and sure that everything is proper and it's a place everything is balanced and we send  counsel for first reading  the next one eight thirty seven yeah zero four this is my we cannot make opportunity micro enterprise program is there any proposals to the committee we have consensus their programs and emil has done a fabulous job and i followed them for many years and i'd like to continue to support this thank you for that comment anyone else has to coach and i wholly support that motion is one where the his consideration yes but i thought i thought we were going to look up to see how much they had spent i think that was one of the would like to just event off because i have one specific question and i also have as we have done with the other issues projects that were have involving capital  expenditures the challenge that we have brought fought with the other two so with your permission obviously any objection members action may be concise in your capital improvements but the challenge that they reach so much matching funds we call the right so if i was to say hey if we view seventy and you could you raise the other seventy as a matching for th for the difference in the cup we always look for public private public partnerships in everything that we do and that while we are were appreciative of everything anything and everything the council does for does for us and we also  also very specifically for this five hundred forty thousand have have earmarked it regardless of what you what you give us we will be seeking additional funds on top of that in order to make the project go forward thank you  said somebody else's land so there is value in that also and while i understand times there's change for those of us and know the history of the original agreement between the center and the county or the council this is a long way different from that agreement that we had so the county has been in your chosen any very generous beyond the regional agreement  and just so you know members at this point i was assured that you know the chair stands by his proposal i understand what you're doing just be assured that whatever leaves the committee your chair will his strongest advocate this is a point and time in the process that we can have our little differences but as your chair what ever becomes the committee's proposal you can depend on your chair so i can appreciate all the differences that we do at this point in the process services and so forth through these deliberations and i and you know we've done i think a yeoman's task and continuing to provide very very strong support for for all sorts of  social services for the for the growth in the administration huge amounts that we're requesting for i t we've we've agreed with and so i'm my proposal is to increase the most visitors bureau in line to four point two million dollars i realize that sounds like a big amount that's about four hundred a little under four hundred ninety thousand dollars but i bring this up well the hotel the taxes that have come from the visitor industry the condos timeshares and and hotels has increased from forty million dollars a year to one hundred three million dollars a year and it's actually it might be a little lower big with our change in the rate so let's call it one hundred million dollars the most visitors bureau which supports protecting the jobs of all the people that depend on the visitor industry which beyond the hotels and into the activities restaurants retail outlets and so forth amounts to about seventy five percent of the  we've only provided an increase of a couple percentage points over a eleven year period so this this represents a seventeen percent increase over two thousand  well most of our county budget has grown by one hundred twenty five percent and probably that's from last year and this year it's probably grown a little bit more so probably hundred thirty one hundred thirty five percent  over previous numbers and i think it's safe to say that the the growth in the industries taxes has made a lot of what we have been discussing and doing over the last couple of days possible so i just ask my my colleagues support for this increase because if we if we look at what we're doing just for the mac in their last item we look at what we're doing to control cookie frogs with the one point two adding two hundred thousand dollars to cover the concerns of the frail and elderly last night a lot of that is made possible because the you know the taxes provided by the visitor industry and i think they do so very willingly the visitor industry also puts in a significant amount of money for marketing so i look at this and i've always looked at the and the allocation from the county as coming from the retailers the restaurant folks the activity people that don't pay anything to market on the mainland me some do a couple of activities that go with the n p v trips but the vast majority of the community that benefits from the visitors being here other than those who are being taxed  at the hotel rate they don't need to spend money to market because visitors bureau does it and the hotels do it and the hotels have we have to because if we don't advertise we don't get business similarly if you're a if your activity provider here if you don't advertise you know i can get the same level of business their customers are here already because we've spent the money in my perspective a way of the county helping to protect the jobs in the visitor industry and and those beyond and showing a little back to the folks that are move this from the chairs number three point seven i went to the two thousand and fifteen number members and then mr wade is asking to take it understanding and experience that we don't have as being from the industry and managing a very successful operation and i can see the benefits that he brought forward in his enjoy and that's why we are very successful but yet i feel that at the same thing the state punishes us for being a successful company that promotes it in the streets particularly that is the industry in how we are  as we keep being successful and we keep putting more into the pot what is the three counties and the state doing a living off our success and then commitment to their industry story we make our commitments i have my own because i can't be positive but i have my own view of the state's tourism efforts that the same time i just feel used by the state when it comes to this type of not for and not understand the recognition of what we truly are provide for the total state benefit and that we don't get that recognition and we don't get that type of adjustment and that maybe in a t t disbursements we should get a limo because they dedicate it's not what we do it's all of the state then they saw our success and uses it so they don't need to me their hard decisions but we make the hard decisions at this local level in this i would be a one thirty four i'm not a happy camper van to place the burden on the counties that is not leadership that is us trying to be popular and it's not the right because we are going to have to ask this community was my district was when a bottom i can't see many of us but we have the reputation by not really opening up to any kind of hotel wait for his justification for the increase i would like to support him on that basis because i like i said you can her name me and my district  they can transport for a day or two to more ok but because mr hotel man here supports it i would like to support that and again mr chair you should put all your i do have a concern about that large an increase i would be willing to support something smaller and in recognition of good work but i do have a little bit of concern about that big jump i don't know how it would be perceived thank you thank you mr coach thank you mr chair and you know i'm very torn on this one i appreciate the work that visit world i just have a little concern how we can track you know we do some most of the times we put some money and we can track our benefit but mr white has a very very good point and they've been relatively flat compared to all the other things that have been increased through and the people that do come here and the work that the hotels do as well to get people here other businesses flourish from that without having to deal with that so i might be  i'm certainly not willing to leave it flat to see how it goes with the five hundred thousand dollars increase almost is kind of high but just be willing to see what the rest of the members say thank you thank you mr cochran thank you i like the point that mr coats just brought up in regards to tracking that's the game of marketing itself in a lot of ways is were you there is no true you know all truism to say that gave us a it's this kind of collectively sort of generally looking thing where and winners and summers we know our peak seasons for tourism that's a given i don't care money for this funding is up or down that's just how it works and so you know thirty two years of being in the industry those the off times you know spring it always take off around may and october those are the down time interest and you know it's it was stated in the power point by envy be that you know the korean numbers are down because i remember we went to visit to drum up participation and coming to visit us over there was a morning so that's a cultural thing that's outside of the forces of this entity to even change there's economies that happen there's a whether there's i mean the list goes on and on which are so of the control of such a bureau and you know what they do but there's no way that that jump in additional money for me is warranted at this time and we're not going to get anywhere tat that's kept so i understand your point yeah i wish we could get everything that we put in we get back because that's what it was created and it needs to go towards the impacts that we live on a day to day basis especially in the west my district and so personally i'd rather deduct but so i stand with your proposal chair you have a fair foundation for what you economic engine of our county this county especially there is no other county that has this big an economic engine little not the big island and not we've been blessed with a well thriving well planned out resort hospitality industry and  only job getting out there and making sure people keep us top of my that's why we've been the number one destination for so many years even though the naysayers want to tell you that everything else is wrong i reset dying and this in this  hundred and eleven thousand again maybe not big enough mr white i agree with you but it's better than keeping it level funding first and foremost and secondly i believe if  all to put it a little higher then that's fine but again we want to help the industry that has given over seventy percent of all the people in mali county an opportunity to live and raise their families there's no question in my mind this is something this county truly is not only our leader but truly depends on this is our big economic engine so i would i would support that quantify the results or the benefits of putting money into an entity that result in a higher rating for the island i know island is number one this year and by putting in more money does it does it actually increase our ranking also the fact that putting in more money doesn't really significantly ut i would be leaning more towards what mr victor reno proposes but adding a proviso of at least twenty or thirty thousand to have a semi annual report that quantify the results so that and next year's budget if if the report looks as though we are getting something out of the marketing then i will gladly and surely increase it next budget route thank you any other second time i said earlier that i felt that some kind of a compromise between what is being requested by mr happy to settle it at four point zero million which is only just under three hundred thousand increase we've done more increases in other sections for more than that so i would suggest four point is that what i would i would accept that adjustment and you know i think the thing that's surprising to me is that we sit here and throw money out like it's so easy that all this money comes or a lot of this money comes from the visitor industry and you know i i'm actually kind of sitting here in shock that there's even a  concern increasing and line item that has been supporting the jobs and the economy of this island for many many years and you know there you know i have to say again i hotel spends more than my wee county and we generate about you know thirty million dollars in revenue a year this county generates over one hundred million from the hotel's another visitor plant section sectors so i find it really kind of amazing that this body is so concerned with you know a five hundred thousand dollar increase when  we have just spent hundreds of millions going through this budget and a lot of that comes from this very industry you know this this the business bureau job is to be the umbrella under which all the rest of us operate without that umbrella we don't and we cannot be as effective as we can be it's all about getting out there and creating relationships and we all know when we're ready to go on vacation it's the one that's was in our face last that is likely to be the place that we go it's the one that gets talked about the most that we're going to choose to go and find out what they're like  and so it's it's amazing to me that this county is willing to say oh you know well we'll just keep increasing the taxes on the visitor plant  one hundred fifty percent and my five hundred thousand dollars request was one quite that but is it a sixteen percent increase over two thousand and four so i just  it amazing that we're so concerned about what the public might think about supporting the efforts that have brought us the very significant economic benefits benefits that we sit here and make use of so you know i prefer to keep it at the five hundred dollars level because our five hundred thousand level because i can certainly defend that very easily because of what it does for the county i understand your concerns with the state i have no problem agreeing with everything you said about the state being for lack of a more appropriate term  chickenshit because the island or the county of maui generates in the neighborhood of one hundred fifteen to one hundred twenty million dollars in th we get back twenty three and everywhere else in the country this is a municipal tax so you know as a make me feel good that we get screwed by the state no doesn't make me feel good that my colleagues can't see their way to supporting the very industry that makes it possible for us to do what we did last night for the frail and elderly we increased it by two hundred thousand dollars because the state didn't step forward well as we've done with environmental issues as we've done with with social service issues when the state has fallen down we've allowed our people to fall down we've stood them back up when the state has money for and for the environment we've filled the gap so just because the state doesn't feel that we should get our fair share of the t t why the hell should we prove whether how should we present funding that allows the visitor's bureau to do a job that they've not been allowed to do for the last eleven years so with that let my let my colleagues decide what number they're comfortable with but  i certainly wouldn't i wouldn't be comfortable with going below the three hundred thousand dollar amount which i think is a privilege thank you chair as i said it earlier i support  mr white's proposal you know i go back to the real property tax and that's what's it's all based on you know we make jokes about my island my district but i also they helped carry my load and i i cannot help but support where mr white is coming from here because like he says you know we only get twenty three million which is we deserve more but we get that three twenty three million of moneys that are part of the visitors industry so i graph you know whether or not to say well ok you don't have enough taxes but you know thanks to people like the industry where mr white comes from and no one else as this challenge about us to do a multiple and reach means we basically run three county governments why not each sister island so there is additional overhead this additional something duplicati now we are rank number four out of nine which pleases me greatly but we made those who we had to make hard decisions on our island and for me to be able to respond to its own unique requests to this budget so again members we are back to regarding them understand the need of measurements to see if you look on page twenty seven lane seven six four that is puts money well business research library it is part of their job to do those type of tracking and measurements and report put it in their reports because if doing it then  and i just want to say that as wes mao yes having you know it comes from the r p t it's the value of the land it's a what the big hotels in condos do put in the hotels tat all that money goes to  it does not all come back to us all portion which is capped and so i personally would rather see this money go into on the ground level to stuff the as our infrastructure as our par you know combating the homeless situation the things that create the quality of visitor experience when they come and arrive and set foot on our land and come and visit which is thereby make our the people who bring the aloha spirit to tourism industry alive well thriving and rich and so you know milo served shop reaps the benefits of tourism yeah and you know why it continues to grow is because of their experience they get with my husband and my dog and they love they love it so they return he doesn't spend a penny on marketing and you know perhaps the visitors bureau attacks the people who get you know they reach out to the people who choose where they're going to fly or what care they i don't know but the point is it is word of mouth because every year more and more people of those families that came with a great experience will entice the rest of their family to come so that's what i've been experiencing and the little mom and pop shop and to me for us to take care of beach erosion for us to take care of our park system and our wastewater and everything helps build upon why people come here so that is how i look at better use for me reason we have an infinite amount of money we need to spread it all good i think three million seven hundred thousand dollars is a good investment to get a return on it won't support this out and i want to support mr white's proposal i'd like to take a vote on it i think we've all said what we needed to say and let it fall there and if it doesn't pass and i would then bring up another alternative at that time so people advertising yes many small businesses benefit because of what you folks do i know that and i have a business that has benefited much from it my insurance business i do a lot of cond so that's why so i would like to support mr white's and if that fails then i will have a another proposal to bring up if you allow me to chair thank you thank you so late and adjust my request to three hundred thousand but i think it's important for everyone to realize that this is something that helps support seventy five percent of the jobs and a lot of people out there watching us right now that work in the industry that whose jobs are more secure because of the efforts of the visitors bureau and of the hotels and condo owners and timeshares and so forth  i thank everyone for their kind comments and you know for me this should be a really easy decision by i know it's hard for some to get their arms around this because it's it's  considered helping the big hotels but that's not the way i look at it is it helping to support the marketing efforts of the island for those who don't spend any money to market i made a presentation to the real to retail merchants association and when i was ten years ago and i went to see me and i said can you give me an idea of how much money you get from all the retail outlets throughout the state for marketing the number was one hundred ten thousand dollars total but all the retailers in this state provide for marketing why spend that in two and a half weeks jobs are watching this and knowing that we're having a really hard time coming up with that's twelve percent increase when we've just doubled a whole bunch of other things and  so i'm happy to let it fall wherever it falls but i think i'd be much more comfortable with the five hundred thousand dollar increase because it's still a very small amount over the last eleven years but i would just we're moving for a million dollars forward thank you my colleagues  diversify our economy as well so we don't have to rely on just one industry in this i believe what will help do that thank you any other need to speak to we have consensus no i support your recommendation chair thank you mr carroll do you support adding thirty thousand dollars back to the economic development fund provided increases for the mayor's office but we did not provide increases for the for the office of economic development and like to propose a three percent increase on salaries only for that section as well information so this is the area where mr wade is proposing to add an additional twenty twenty six thousand thank you any other comments members excuse me mr chair the amount that was provided by the budget director was three percent on the fiscal year twenty six the amount which included the increase to one of the positions from half time or have time to vote so are we going to go based on the fiscal twenty fifteen dollar amount three percent it would make about the three percent under twenty fifteen dollar amount is twenty three thousand one fifty two three percent based on the twenty six if it's twenty two or twenty five i think that they could live with either one that you hear the proposal for a three percent increase any further comment members consensus you know mr carroll you want to give them as three percent increase yes or this coach i think this is the one that mr white and i was looking at for coming back with one point five million that's what my notes say this is what's been requested via director brian can say over seventy thousand dollars check is not exactly the amount i'd like to find i if my memory serves correct majority of them around the thirty thousand dollar your reservations in the assistance of the salary compensation aspect of one hundred three thousand dollars is the total but the two dollars and fifty cents in relation to support and it was about that increase of salary compensation supplemental agreement so if in case we do have enough here to want to continue to support green man has any reconsiderations of propriety and some retroactive considerations to go back to a certain date and two you know they may have negotiated to have reach agreement agree to so many unknowns at this point and as far as the voice of the workers they're not asking for that so i don't know if that's been relayed to the bargaining people  yes i might so i'm looking at the list and it doesn't state in his email per se that what i am stating the west of my but i've spoken to the people that work in west marceau that's wh bouncin my decision on currently and they also understand they know there was an equipment list and truly if worst case scenario i guess was they could live with the one in the one which i'm in  also and and then this is this is i wanted the position reinstated the funding for that position and i really wanted to have it moved to the department of management where it can management utilizes a i think it was its time so what do you try to transfer i got to make sure the funding is there so that's all that's my request to reinstate the funding and then i would look to maybe w planning department most definitely is that he is a department that means you know yeah in the interaction with this sort of person ok thank you so right now we're just talking about the restoration of i think you chair i don't i know the parks department has responsibility so the department public works but i don't see anything that i take that back on twelve twenty four eight or seven or  right my concern was whether or not they had moved ahead on the planning for and i got verification that that has proceeded so i'm good ok thank you for that so members line parks informed me that i had this understanding of which position was available and which position wasn't available so for lane one thirty eight members  since it is a field position and i'm going to ask that to redraw that by requests from your chair after a consultation that was brought to my attention from so you know for me then i would ask you allow me to leaving in this half time to full thankful and they are right now at this point i am working with the department because i understand there is another position that i need to consider to be able to reduce to make this adjustment so it is a request from your chair at this time that we're going to eliminate to part that i mean what should be considered to be moved to food fight from part time any questions or concerns to this from the chief or the chair no objects kate thank you very much and i thank next line is nine nine zero operations maintains zero is there any proposal for the committee one second mr chair be sure that was the right in your to store fifty percent of that the suit to reduce it to down to one zero nine two phases are correct ok you've heard the proposal by mr coach to the store one hundred nine to five zero dollars online maintains zero mr coach there you know we're doing the community plans and  operation yeah yeah yeah yeah so i think the concern that they department shared with us was that the remaining amount so the start there's a remaining amount of two hundred sixty thousand and their annual spend as a little bit over one hundred thousand so you could take that one sixty out leaving them a little bit short and they are concerned that if they have issues that require hearings couches concerns but i would think that they can probably that with an increase of maybe sixty thousand on top of what what you provided thank you for that and the other comments members on the proposal of mr coach mr coach still is that one zero nine two five zero as a coach you mr white wanted to change that to sixty thousand this resource sixty instead of one online two five zero that you heard mr coach's proposal to restore seventy three thousand online nine one one mr coach and i took t heart i believe was your comments mr chair about seeing what we could do in house what i'd like to see is a combination because we've got a lot of the guys in house doing a lot more work you know with the extra we move some people over they move some people over to implementation the plane implementation division and with all the community plans in their different stages of development there isn't a lot that of time to do devote full time to that so if they could get some assistance i think this would work thank you for that any further comments on mr coaches proposal to resource seventy five thousand dollars is there consensus on this and chances to put back seventy five thousand dollars have heard the department the person and even the head of the secret and this is something that maui county requested of the state so eighteen i think was eighteen years ago and has been proven very very valuable for the preservation of our coastal areas certainly very visible results in south maui and she's working hard to get the west maui erosion work done so for the last eighteen years those folks have done a great job so i request consideration thank you thank you in your cochran thank you chair and you know i'm taking your lead on a lot of stuff but i have to say that this particular position is so and i heard your question and so i posed it to the person why is this a state employee and so back in the day eighteen years ago it was before all our estimates and all their special type of planning tools that we have today existed and so the we needed somebody w some kind of expertise on building upon the shoreline and what have you so that's when county reached out to the state and thereby created this position so here we fast track to this today yes we have these types of rules  regs in place and policies and procedures in place to help assist but this woman this person continues to outreach on a personal level all over our districts and you know people know her to be very responsive and understanding and educational and bring you know where innes also then i think another point is that even though we it was it would be decided to get rid of such a position those types of questions need to be answered and we truly do not have that type of expertise within our body at this point so we'd have to outsource or reach you know do all kinds of other go through other means which may be costly also so i am in  support of seen this position do some real good good things for our departments and especially in our communities so as much as they don't want to of patient of potential expansion and improvements mr white thank you chair and i don't believe this is necessary at this time because there is a significant amount of work that has to be done before it's going to get turned over to us and i believe miss cochran would support me on this at the at the point where we're doubling the labor for that park i would like to think that we can also sign this and some of this additional baber to some of our other cemeteries which are which don't come close to the level of care of them across some atory cemetery thank you thank you i support your position to delete at this time i seriously other comments mr chair in a discussion with the director good he said this was one of his ones that he would really like to restore he didn't say exactly he didn't elaborate as to why but he gave me a list of things that said ok if you could do this would be it but so i'm asking to restore it on behalf of director good key thank you for that comment is there any on else wishing to provide comment we have no consensus mr carroll you would you would like to add another position and special maintenance program expansion p county way traffic calming program to fund this position and it's a labor to for west and also that you know for is west so how many positions you're asking for to reinstate that for which is and and again to reiterate funding can be taken from the traffic calming per director good he feels very comfortable on that move thank you for checking with the department yes think about five or six positions in public works for the payment preservation and maybe in programs and i think it's appropriate for us to further evaluate how this is all balancing out from some of the folks you chair and yeah that was it my conversation with the supervisor and people at the base yard and of west maui we saw the gentlemen come here and testify i think clarification is needed that they're actually under staffed and undermanned with the years of non growth in their e p count and the additional responsibilities put upon them their you know the slurry seal and seal coding are two different programs yeah we gave them five there in that they got the four they're in the process of getting the one to fulfill and as we hear all the time how difficult it is just fill these positions as in through the process not bodies people want jobs in the end there's qualified people but a lot of things that have been put on the back burner and not purposely think god thus far they passed with flying colors but it's tough and i don't want to you know bring to a point that especially downtown hina where we have been through such issues within our peer committee in regards to sidewalks that's an ongoing issue and they just can't get to it and it's not any fault of anyone except for the fact that they need heat in extra person to help out with these things the little things as they say grow into big ones and can turn into litigated matters so i believe there's total justification for this extra person i don't feel you're just trying to you know run up and build an empire out there i truly believe it's needed and from the testimony from the people and also director it's a it's agreed upon within the department itself and the funding comes from it's not only we're taxing people either in order to fulfill the area for our visitors who come here to to make it look a lot better and we just talked about how important was to get the visitors here so let's get them to a place that looks good thank or anyone else our previous action we are going i'm going to make an adjustment we are going to delete from the admin program was it under general prosecution a position it was a grant revenue fund it's going to be an intricate part of this community and the more we can help it get off the we're all the better it is for all of us so that's my proposal i got fifty percent i don't know mr bobbsey is that enough to at least get them started or  requested for the behind the harbor improvements are not not the harbor improvements but the the harbor area and if we're going to find any money  to this level i would much rather see it placed in in a very visible area where there are some some visual challenges and come back to this possibly next year a project we can sign one point five million dollars i would this year i would rather spend it on the line of improvements rather than a facility that we can go back to next year so thank you very much in your other comments hundred fifty thousand dollars yes mr coch eleven thirty nine for the paratransit service any proposals for the committee mr chair just a quick refresh my memory since we we've been here while why did you remove this again was it just a percentage cut one second researcher mr bush i believe that one hundred hundred thousand dollars was the five percent increase that's included in the as in the contract if the funding is available and that was the at least five hundred thousand dollars in switching from roberts to me on paratransit thank you for sharing that that's good information for everyone to know services when it was operated by the previous vendor cost us i think my recollection is about two point seven two point eight million dollars a year when won the bid and the contract was reduced to around two million a year so that's the county saved a significant amount by him you know taking this over ok so what they're saying is that we could afford to give them a raise because we saved all this money and we haven't given these people love for some chair the reason i was comfortable with this reduction was that the part of the discussion we had had earlier was that the same provision is in robert's contract and they had gone befor years without without the increase we're giving them the increase this time i was comfortable with asking them e o to wait so thank you very much anyone else six eleven forty six department of water supply headman the order from requests for an expansion position specialty plants examiner is there any expansion position specialty plans examiner is based on one of the reasons i'd like to put that position back is well i think every single one of us frequently hears people that come to talk to us about their held up and they always say it's the water department the water department so you know if that's the you know the block then maybe we can get rid of this and try and ease this i'm tired of waiting for my permit thing so i don't support this requests at all but all have our points of view because we all have to deal with this component of how to get plants out of this department on a timely basis have and we have our sister accounting you look at big island how they operate same unions and yet they get their things through the process much better than we do the same contracts we don't have consensus so mr carroll would you like to add an expansion position for the department of water supply as a specialty plans any considerations for a committee for eleven forty five thank you we're going to proceed ina eleven forty eight operations is there any considerations for the community regarding the reduction to operations yes mr chair it's about i'm trying to find the dollar amount  figure and i'm going to be asked to restore five hundred thousand so they can get that  started mr coach has presented us a proposal to re store five hundred thousand dollars and online eleven for eight and the operations regarding the new  mr coach is going away from a wahoo which is supported billing system at best in my opinion but so the sooner we get that going to take significant period of time and that's why he wanted to request it this year so he's going to start is he going to start working on it now or two years from now you know he would start working on it now for implementation possible there was really no time frame we were at we had just extended the contracts on the time frame in that respect and the quote was as soon as possible because they would prefer not having us already to visit for them it's a real pill to deal with so as soon as we can start it is fine but there is no two year old five year as soon as possible was his exact words and i can ask for the minutes of the meeting if someone wants to verify that thank you thank you for your eleven forty nine equally and thank you is there any proposals for what category c plane eleven forty nine come water resources you know i'm singing to the choir water resources all come from our watershed so i really wish you put some considered restoration i think  this again when we were if we get the force restored we're going to get more water and so it's that leads to water and watershed protection listed as my proposals also so thank you for that but in particular these were some sections where water should preserve the mayor's inish this mayor's proposal has cut them by fifty thousand dollars last year we approve them that much and so i'm looking to restore that fifty just to keep them flat from what they had  is per mr director taylor out of the nine point five plus million dollars from line seven hundred forty six the water meter wait lists which we all support that but he brought up the fact that he doesn't have anything instantly true lies all that nine point five and he's very comfortable in assisting in beefing up the restoration of water funds here via that section know thank you very much this is a new grant and i understand you went across the board be in as deliberate as you are and said no but i and i had questions and concerns when this had been brought  this particular area along with to quit watershed has been designated as a high priority watershed area and so extra care is and you know extra work is needed in this vicinity more  down upon them because of this mandate very annoying me p a and a laundry list of other acronyms so i'd like to keep this in and keep give the funding of seventy five thousand and they get the monies from that nine point five additional comments you heard where she is going to grant funding to thank you very much mr cochran any further comments is there consensus i don't know the harmful this would be to the water department and i do know that they're dealing with a very interesting employment situation and that we also will probably be mr carroll to you would you like to restore premium pay underwater operations a category by one hundred seventy six thousand nine hundred fifty dollars five or five that's right for five there was four that did not support here we have so this sufficient support to move it forward be paying for this this is not from the whole tax base this is only from those that are on the county of my we water supply system that is who is going to pay the bill  and it's actually a bunch of little cuts to their two million dollar cuts to one million dollar cuts for me like tricity ends up the majority of it and the calculation that we made earlier shows that that two million dollars cut is probably safe to be made in there and while this a special fund we need to remember that this is also a budget even with the limitations on a b and c accounts if we put in we restore the two million dollars in electricity it will likely show up next year as an expenditure on the on the billing system thank you trend in the current year and they come and the cheers proposal still leaves them with two point two five six eight million dollars and purification electricity for that program area they requested thirteen point one five five million i reduced it by one million by going through the same process and i am recommending that the amount for this program would be twelve point one five five million dollars you want to restart no i'm just saying that i reviewed those two items and that that is why i made my proposal to you my recommendations and so i stand by my recommendations see but we're going to do a b c restricted thing now so i'd like to have a little bit more money available if we need it it's raining a lot now but it's not going to be running forever true to bring them back to the thirteen point one five five million dollars is a further comments and a question on the consideration this proposal if not mr no yes it has sufficient support to restore one million dollars in operations plane twelve thirteen committee the equipment mr chair mr coach looking at it says office equipment desktop computers and engineering equipment is that oh no i'm they they want to get and be able to be you know have in stock and what not so i would like to restore fifty percent of that reduction  thank you i mr coach is proposing restoring fifty percent of the cut of to any eight one hundred that's one forty six zero for a zero recess subject to the call of the chair i'm very well aware so let me just tell you we still behind schedule clock is running on this committee to perform but what i would do components so please if we have something you want to put as best you can in advance of the meeting if you need some sort of  yes ma'am sure thank you usually when i talk a lot of people think i'm angry and they're not  angry cases but thank you i know you need to hear this so i appreciate this ok so this is where we are at with addition of over five million dollars in general fire at this time we would be looking at an eight percent rate increase i mean revenue increase eight percent who are with your addition of another ninety six thousand dollars we're going to need to look at the fees so eight hundred and fifteen thousand dollars so that's who it's solid waste fine is going to need to be adjusted water you've added one point seven million dollars back so thousand dollars chair i respect all of your your positions and thoughts i just wanted to let you know you start thinking of how we're going to pay the bill piece because we've made some sizable restorations without capital improvements decisions with that i'm going to ask you to read and research i'm going to recess and bring you back and nine a m tomorrow because we don't have the luxury to wait keeps clicking to get them for a script so that when we do return we are balance funds are all in place and we can give everybody accurate current information so bear with the chair i need to take the staff's requirements into consideration in the scheduling of the day are there any questions for the chair mr white i'm assuming that the staff everything or has everything they need from us rather with respect to the ops budget is there not if you have additional or provisos if it's if you have been thinking about it but you haven't he said that it's not a problem i don't need to i was going to proviso basically so i'm not going to go that route and it's been told from department to mr baez and myself it will be done so not a problem and this is where the on less chance before we recess for the day they're ok thank you very much for your hard work members we show speaking wrists recess to nine a m tomorrow morning