show so to start things off today we are going talking about ivy leagues and who's really getting in and who's going to these schools paul you want to start so essentially ivy leagues i mean they have something called affirmative action and we've heard all over the news there's a recent court case to decide really if that's ok if we should really be having affirmative action but that kind of affirmative action we've been mainly thinking about race wise so basically i mean people say or the asian community asian american community has been saying that harvard is tougher on asians when it comes to the application process they say it's harder to get in as an asian american and to harvard than it is for example for a black person african american or latino or something like that and it's not just harvard it's it's a lot of school here i mean outside  so what they want is they want to diverse student body and what this allows is that people don't just learn from their teachers they learn from the students that go to school with them because they're not all i mean kids who just spent their whole lives studying or all got the best city scores they're getting people from around the world who have all these different experiences and that's why they put a lot of focus on the essays and all the different parts of an application i mean that makes sense i do see how it could be really beneficial to have a really diverse student body and things like that i think it could only benefit the students but then again i mean it's just so difficult you know it's really really unfair to those students who have to just get like so much higher scores and just have to put so much more work and you know no but i mean it's very unfair but sometimes you have to look at it it's not just the scores that matter so you know if you come from a place where you have  would feel like someone who was how to work harder in different aspects of life would deserve the spot just as much or even more than someone who kind of had even though you did earn it by being from our foreign places you have access to things that people from other tutor coming home every week and giving you all these tips for getting to work for the year say to another person that's to commute one hour to get to school or one hour and a half and doesn't really get a ride to they can't get a ride to the city course they can't get a tutor to come to their house for money to get a job to support their family i mean they're in such a bigger disadvantage is what i mean they have to look at that and a lot of asians i've seen have actually been commenting about how it shouldn't really be about race it should be about income and i don't i don't see an issue with that i think both of them should be taken into account adversity should be seen in town i mean the school wants a diverse student body the school so wants i mean they want the best students and they want to people they think will give them the best chance to have like a successful student body coming out of college but it's not about race  i mean they don't directly use race or course not i mean it's very evident connection we can make an assumption that the use race but they don't so i mean harvard is very secretive about their application process i mean when they were forced to release like the documents of people who applied in the past they were very against and they tried their best to actually hire in these applications you don't want to give them because harvard really just like they don't want you knowing why what goes behind and they want to they wanted to be a mystery and with and you can argue why that is but that's just the way things are and i mean there's also other ways that kids get into colleges right with we we see with sports and there's also i mean you can call affirmative action for sports but if you want to see your sport team to be good you can give like an extra push to kids who like played sports but it is also like there's a reason that kids who play sports get an extra push to get into college right sports are a huge time commitment you're spending two to three hours a day through during the season and even outside of the season if you're a very focused player i mean sports should be taking a cow into an application it can't just be your scores because that doesn't really mean anything what does your score mean i mean you means you study the most it means you have some sort of natural intelligence it doesn't mean you can be successful it or it doesn't it doesn't mean anything so really why should it just be the scores i mean they should look at history because it should look at everything else but it's not right it is to get into a knot and say oh it is going on a certain race and then they're going if the i think if you qualify or you don't if you qualify for a certain school being a certain race might benefit you but if you don't qualify you don't qualify no i'm just taking a student who does not want tarzan was not earned his position they think those who are already qualified or if not qualified very close to being qualified and then taking their race into account then picking out you know the most qualified compared to the least qualified and just saying are they have well no no it's neither nor it's neither nor i mean obviously they're not just taking no rand random people they're not just picking someone from you know the african american race or latino race just because they want someone i mean obviously these these kids are so obviously just one super competitive and all that but i think i think pretty sure the bar is set lower percentage you think it's lower right because a lot of these students in you know the minorities they are going to harvard they have to go through you know they have they can't afford some of the guys that's a  rather than you know just doing well when you expect you do well yeah but that's why many people mention income i mean if you have less money you can't really get a ride to school you've got to take public transport everything's and be more difficult for you just more things that are over income not necessarily based off race rac make things harder we get a disadvantage but what you see is private institutions on the scale of six hundred black people can do up to three hundred and ten points worse and be basically on the same scale as a white person an asian person has to do one hundred and forty points better in a way person to be on the same scale in this is based off acceptance that doesn't mean doesn't really mean you don't really know what the rest of the application is you don't know what they're actually you don't know what their sports were but i mean you kind of shows there's a contrast in the quality of the test scores of the applicants not necessarily the intelligence not so how hard they work but the test scores are lower for black people in a span of peoples one hundred and thirty points worse so there is a difference and it's taken into  was done the applying process it's about character it comes down to character it's not just your scores can only take you so far the rest really just comes down to character and we really see that right and you would think a lot of us in america represented when it comes to sports getting you to income and all that stuff because as we've seen here in the northeast this is especially i think it's the most evident just how much you can cost to play sports they can be so ridiculously expensive and that can that can basically said back to lower income families from you know going to those training clinics getting those one on one sessions with a coach and all that stuff that's what puts the rich way african affluent kids above the rent if you're coming from an environment and have to worry about how you get home who's going to walk by when you get home or who's going to be walking by or driving well that put stress on you right you have the stress to perform in school you have the stress to be safe from the stress to not fall into the wrong pav well you also have to go to a valuable game you know it's hard to balance whatever everything is harder when you're in a lower income family in a lower income neighborhood i think she one of those things that's actually almost more equal because for school really if you're going to school and you want to get the seams who are the someone who's really very rich and can get a tutor every week it's very difficult if you want to play basketball all you need is a few friends in the park end up going like that it's just tough to make a point of that argument really anyone with natural for this is people are always looking and if you really truly have nothing natural for this is i mean you can really go far in sports someone's going to look for you and people inside you but you have to be in the right place natural athlete and can go somewhere with a sport professionally will be will be seen and i don't even think that really relates to the whole discussion about colleges because it makes up such a small portion of a college buddy the kids who are getting in because of the scholarship or who are getting in because i think affirmative action plays a much bigger part and it's much more important in considering this but if you're thinking about it someone who plays a sport if they're good enough they're going to be mentioning are going to be seen by someone and they're going to raise i don't know i think the  they did a survey on their class of two thousand and twenty two i think it was on all of their athletes almost fifty percent forty six two percent had a household income of two hundred and fifty thousand dollars or more like that shows you something fifty percent that's a that's huge but basically you have  could go and pick out better players but they can't because harvard doesn't go to scout players bastable to figure that out so i think money is really important quarter to what you believe money i think money is extremely important get you there it doesn't matter how good you are if you if you if you don't get ten years old at a park you know your neighbors might see that showcases not think and i mean let's say you haven't had the money money's been an issue it's been an obstacle but you somehow didn't manage to get that like acceptance letter from harvard it's still like going to a bigger deal one school that's less prestigious and all that stuff is going to be a lot more appealing incidentally amount of financial aid they give but since harvard really necessary why does someone need to go to harvard well i mean would you rather go to harvard or at a school like arizona really coming out of college what matters is what you do with that education right if you want to become what you want to become after college right if you want to become a doctor maybe hire is going to be in the best  but if you really just if you just want to job simple job that's going to make you maybe eighty grand a year and you don't necessarily have to go through harvard for a while i mean harvey can you just covered him for you so much for that and if a college is giving you a full ride you're ahead just like harvard or stanford you should be focusing on your athletics it should be based on some way out it can mean there are a lot of people listening but it's of better than do you think it's easier do to get notice from athletics or do you think alone he pulled seven hundred and sixty one million that's a lot of money and that's what a lot of players actually see an issue with i mean this kind of off topic but a lot of flight players in the unsuitability who don't get paid right they get their full rides but they don't get paid for going to play sports in college they think they're forced to they're forced they can't go straight to professional leagues for at least one year so they're forced to go to college and they're forced to play there for a year for no pay and so what you see is a lot of corruption where forcing children to go to college for one year to say like oh we want that we don't want to get in the way of their education well i mean yeah that would have education i don't know it's a point it's actually that's going to deal with i don't have an official though this shows i think it's i mean that's a bit off topic but it does show i mean these the people of them any money any sports you have seen this in the past and on sports teams i've been on they were give you a discount if you're a good enough player they will not they will not make you pay full price if they want you on your team and you're good enough and you have the raw photos and they will snowball but how how how did you get a position in how do you median family income brown is over two hundred thousand it's a sin it's basically the same pattern with the ivy is i mean i've seen in the past i mean teams where really the coaches are driving the kids to the practices they're driving the kids back and they're not making them pay for the sport at all i mean that was the case when my brother sports teams for layo right three of the kids did not pay for the pay for the sports and they tried out they were good enough the coaches brought them to the brought them to the questionable you know it's hard to focus and to be committed because you brought up a good point the student the reason why they were getting arrested practice and back is because they're committed it's hard to be committed when these violence going around your neighborhood when the people you look up to are saying you know what i'm got his probation and to use linked in the shooting i mean it's simple besides the point i mean he's done some things that i just feel like are an excusable and i mean he's been given shan's and chance again i think that's like his like i mean he's able to pay for the best lawyers you know find the smallest i mean the smaller me and he makes millions upon millions finding the best think she's had i think she had a child it but people started attacking her people just brush it over so easily and people get you know i've heard people even get angry when they hear about these claims about the rapper x i mean and what a great guy he was trying to change oh it's hard for me to say that you're trying this with sports as well i mean kobe bryant how does a wrist some rape allegations back in the past i mean you see a lot of players i mean that having to they all have domestic abuse i think we spoke of this earlier on i mean why do all these reach out beats why do all these i mean rich people in the rap game really have all these issues and i think it's because they come from a past that wasn't too good and i mean if they decide to stay with the people they were with back when they were poor they're going to keep doing about people fall into when they're part of the lower income what i mean it's hard to not judge a book by its and let alone let on that i mean it's hard for me to separate the art from the actual person right when you listen to his lyrics you think there's some questions raised red there's some  for example i mean look at what's happening like he's rapping about these horrible things and he's doing horrible things and that's all right with things doing what things would be different if if he was rapping about this stuff but then he would but then i thought if it yeah if it was all just  like we were saying it's just resources it's what you have you don't get what you think our fault is put i have that if he does get in trouble he would reach out only to four of them now but you know it's lawyers really really do make a big difference but i mean think about it it's all about like if a lawyer who's given to you by the government i mean does this issue's been the words given you by the government have hundreds of other cases that they have to focus on and they have to like worry about six times lawyer i'm sure his only worry is six times case he's going to say he's going to look into the it's just a situation where even the victims don't want to go out against the parents yeah i mean especially especially just like the x case that we saw people just brush it up and brush it off and his that was there with liz the people were attacking his wife or his his girlfriend even if the government can even speak up because if you speak up they say you know right now he's dead you really cannot you know disrespect and yet true his dad but also he did a lot of horrible thing yeah there's not a whole i'm pretty sure in the audio he admits he says i'm my girlfriend or my wife was scared i was going to kill her thought he was going to kill her and it's messed up it's messed up i think there's this push back because every once in a while right the rap industry makes a push to move to better our is right we have childish gambino we have you know kendrick lamar so we have artists who are moving forward but a lot 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