good morning the meeting of the housing human services transportation committee will now come to order it's about nine o three a m on tuesday july twelfth twenty sixty before we begin may i please request that we we all turn off our silence our cell phones or other noisemaking devices and deputy director of housing and human concerns good morning thank you and of course i don't think we'll need a corporation council representative today so we'll excuse our cooperation single item on the agenda today so we'll get started with public testimony thank you denise at this time i'm just going to because we have no testifiers in addition office will just wait for further notice via e mail if we'll have any testifiers and i won't be  going back to the district offices at this time for individuals who will be testifying in the chamber sign up at the desk located in the a for the lobby just outside the chamber door if you will be testifying from the dowse one three one for myself consul members relating to the matter of homelessness in my we county the committee may receive a presentation from the mali homeless alliance and the department of housing and human concerns on the homeless population in mali county and available programs and services the committee may also consider the filing of county communication sixteen dash one three one and other related action increasingly and we are having a lot of complaints in various facilities here is around our county one of the strongest strip in one of the biggest risk is that we have who are the groups that are working with the homeless in our nonprofit agencies and when we came down to talk to you in november we pointed out very clearly that our plan is to incorporate the non profits that are already working with the proper lation in their various capacity and try to get them to expand facilities and mikes we try to expand facilities and personnel to be able to absorb the growing are the experts that we have in the nonprofit agency so the challenge has been that they are underfunded and the facilities that they have are not adequate to meet the demand of all the homeless population that we it's a growing population they literally handle hundreds and hundreds of situations throughout their different organizations sort a regular basis and it's not through lack of try it's for lack of resources that were not being able to catch up with all the homeless that are occurring in our community i believe that if we have more resources put to the agencies we will be able to facilitate much better care and be able to absorb most of the homeless into the into the process that we already have in place so part of the program that we have to be able to incorporate is ho and in the next meeting i believe will talk about housing in and of itself but the greater need is through the support services that most of these agencies already supply and could supply it at a higher level if they were given the resources to be able to handle the higher level demand i have no doubt in my mind that the homeless population is going to continue to grow on and soon we take some really dramatic action to be able to alleviate the lack of of folk personnel and the lack of support services that we have it's something that is happening nationwide that are seeing this in many many other communities not only in our nation but in the world so we were not unique to maui the reality is that many of our home prices right now are out of the reach for normal working people working families so even if they have a job many of our homeless are almost because they can't afford the rents because we have no vailable housing for them to be able to buy or recorded into and that's very very problematic as puts into non profits is not going to regulate the homeless at this point all a nonprofit agency here have numerous different clientele that they're working with in the nonprofit area and the partner will explain to  you that it's just a small proportion that is actually going to deal with homeless as an issue and we need to be we expand that amount of funding to be able to alleviate this growing cancer in our community and mark my word is a growing cancer where's seeing situations and i just got complaints over it could be homey there's a concern that homeless might have set the fire and it's only by faith in the act of god that some weren't killed in the fire that's there so as they're hiding in various places and we having these kinds of disasters occur we're going to put ourselves more and more at risk as a county for not taking care of the situations the homeowners who are bordering the county area are very very much afraid that the lawsuits will occur if the homeless unfortunately there is something happens on their properties but they're living in the county areas now so this is something to take into consideration we need to deal with this for economic reasons as well as social reasons and it's something that needs to be dealt with very quickly i'm also going to point out that with the governor's declared emergency right now we can get things through the permit process and we can do sole source allocations and that will disappear once the declaration is gone so we won't be able to deal sole source of be able to go directly to the agencies that are currently handled so we're quiet so the clients who have to go out to bid which lengthens the process considerably and that time delay which is months sometimes years is very very costly to our community so i'm very very thankful that sherman is putting this issue up before the council today this committee it's a very very serious issue and you'll notice that honolulu and the governor are on front page of today's advertiser star advertiser without having to do with it and all of the trash this piling up but we're having sweeps but we do need to create homes in real situations where we can get the homeless population into sanitary livable conditions and some point in the next few meetings we will discuss the actual types of units that we may need to purchase the we do need to be able to get restroom facilit shower facilities all the general health of amenities put into this picture as well and i'm sure that with our partners in the nonprofit agencies that we have will be able to keep clear of much of the problem perhaps not one hundred percent much of the problem so thank you very much apologize i'm going to be leaving if there's any questions that you have of me and the director can call me and i'll come down but thank you very much thank deal with the homeless as we should by actually building the creating the support we will save the taxpayers money probably close to fifty percent so it covered a loss to deal with the situation i'd like to ask you to introduce the panelists and give us a letter and have them give us a bit of background before you put it to our presentation thank you so much for the opportunity for the homeless alliance to present today a deputy has been a part of the homeless alliance for many years so and she's worked hard with this group to effect this presentation at this time i'd like to turn the my cover to deputy  thank you good morning chair cavallo and members of the council good morning thank you for this opportunity to for us to share with you about the mali homeless alliance sorry director department of housing and human concerns i'm going to be proper on this because you'll get me later council member victory you know and so and also a member of the maui homeless alliance so as the mayor said thank you for the opportunity to have us share with you about the maui homeless alliance and this morning we're here to share with you a powerpoint which you have in hand and also for your reading pleasure i did hand out the the two thousand and fifteen homeless utilization report the annual report and it's two thousand and fifteen because that just came out in april are people around me so the two thousand  and yes you'll hear a lot of acronyms today but we will get to you hear more about data collection as the presentation goes on before we continue i would really like to thank the maui homeless alliance members who are in the audience as i wave to them and they are waving back to me thank you so much for your support here today and so now for the i'd like to introduce the executive board of the homeless homeless alliance i have co chairs maad coming who is the executive director of family life center central and west side and we're so honored this morning to have with us the executive director of mental health kokura craig peyton thank you mr payton coming all the way from a wahoo and he is a member ok so i know i looked at this powerpoint hundreds literally hundreds of times and yet i want to think carla and for catching some of the typos but i want to apologize in advance as well that there are still typos in there so i don't care how much you look at these things you always have typos ok so here we go i just wanted to preface by saying that our goal is to end homelessness our goal is to work ourselves out of a job i need to be out of a job there are many other things that we need to be doing  primarily is working on housing not homelessness so at the very outset i just wanted to make sure that it would understand that we are not here because we need any of westmead to  twenty five years ago as a brown bag grassroots efforts and it was just a group of people that began gathering together to do some of the issues of homelessness and along the way it has developed  nto a more organized structure right now but we still have the same goal we want to dispel any myths and we want to look for solutions and we want to have strategic way to end homelessness where we have a plan where not just picking solutions out as sky we don't want to be solutions looking for a strategy we want to have a strategy that creates solution is always a bad word but we do have a reputation for working together more than some of the other islands and counties and one model is talking about that brownback a group that they started with this in no way had anything to do with what the state was doing it wasn't regulated it was a bunch of concerned people and organizations that wanted to do something in the community and we still do i know even now when we meet with all of our member agencies and you're going to see them and even nonmember agencies we do get questions about why are we in this are we getting funding and i can honestly say as the co chair that we're not getting funding from the county to do this job we do it because we care about the community and this is how we help our community and we come to thank you for thank you thank you thank you just introduce it ok thank you thank you and so we thought we would start out with sort of defining who are the homeless and why are people homeless and so we know that there are many reasons and one of the biggest reasons of course we know is housing our economy as well as poverty in our nation and in our state reasons for homelessness is poverty of course the folks all knew that lack of jobs and of course the lack of affordable housing and right now nobody in this state has the supply to meet the demand we never wouldn't you know if we don't have housing for our regular people where are these people going to go into and they already have other issues that they're dealing with you know some of them do work some of them don't and a lot of them are in poverty the other thing to think about is that we all had well we know about that foreclosure crisis that we we had where there's been five million families that were affected in this part closure crisis so all those five million families are either homeless or looking for rentals just like everybody else thank you we also wanted to define homeless and i think that is deafening at the top is someone who is not meant for he is somewhere a place that is not meant for human habitation such as cars park sidewalks abandoned buildings on the streets and also those in the transitional emergency shelters and also and we wanted to be sure to really explain how you define homeless and also has their definition strict definitions as so what does it what does not meet the definition of homeless so as you can see if you are living with a friend if you are persons living in motels and this is a place where maybe one of you can help us to find which we rarely hear but there is that big question about you hear about what are the who we are and what are the hidden homeless actually deal with cali ok all on our weightless are those are who are at risk so everyone that you see on this side right here these these are what we consider at risk individuals in our community who while they may have a dwelling place to stay at any time they can lose that dwelling place because it's it is at risk it is a place that's not permanent it's not supported and so we we definitely feel that this is another vulnerable population that should get the attention that they need it for being out risk to be on the beach as opposed to living on some staying on somebody's couch or staying in their car i just wanted to make sure that you understood that  the other category that we talk about frequently in the chronically homeless there's a lot of attention paid to chronically homeless because generally this is what people put a face to homelessness is those who are chronically homeless and that is those who have a disability and who have at least twelve months of continuous homelessness or four more episodes of homelessness in the last three years that total up to twelve months and one of the statistics in the past it's been that the chronically homeless represent ten to fifteen percent of the homeless population but they probably fifty percent of the resources  so there is a large effort to end chronic homelessness so that more of the resources can be freed up for the rest of the population thank there these days which is i've been in this business for one hundred years and i was surprised at this myself there's a large number of people who are actually working there are homeless and they're working but they don't make enough money to afford a place to live so they live in their car or live with friends or something else those are those are hidden homeless people and it's it's really kind of a shame that in our society somebody could be working full time and still be homeless thank you thank you pete so this is homeless and division the homeless individuals on maui that twenty fifteen report did show that in emergency entrance issue no shelters one thousand five hundred fifty seven individuals those who are unsheltered one thousand three hundred twenty eight for a total of two thousand eight hundred eighty five so this report only counts those individuals who have requested assistance they did complete the six page intake form and have that intake form entered into the homeless the homeless management information system or as you heard before in my database i think maud can explain mention this these numbers the two thousand eight hundred eighty five are only those individuals that have actually been recorded into the database while we we cannot enter individuals who have not completed the full intake but are estimates that probably at least fifty percent of the people they encounter out in the streets and parks we do not get in take completed for various reasons and it takes maybe six to eight months sometimes for us to be able to gain their trust to be able to complete an intake we have to gather information such as social security numbers dat thousand in two hundred thirteen there would be an annual count not a point in time  so just to explain about it there goes another acronym it stands for point in time count and this point in time count is conducted one year one day in a year every january or that last sunday in january the homeless are asked where were you sleeping in this case january twenty fourth twenty sixteen and so this is where we just get a just a snippet and or a glimpse of what the homeless count is and this is where we are really really in need of community support there is a training data points such as the homeless utilization report get something i wanted to add is whether it has a lot to do with a point in time count as well so i believe it was twenty fifteen when it rain i thought that that's what jan was saying thinner so last year right so the numbers go down when the weather is bad because people are always trying to find shelter and someplace to stay so you know i've been doing research about this and i continuously see how accurate this is but i have to beg to differ because it is not  systems were hoping sooner than later in some communities they've done this where the point in time count is really sort of become irrelevant in the by name was just more important because we actually know who everybody is so for example  on on a wahoo we have five thousand people in the homeless management information system that we know by name we know who they are where they are where they are and getting their documents together to be housed so it's another another feature the point in time count is that year thank you so just to clarify another acronym i think we've heard a lot about c o c and so c these are state cities counties communities districts and then there are continuum of care and like it says like those other terms a c o c simply refers to an administrative geographical unit the local or regional body that cordy needs funding and services for homeless people so in hawaii we have to see o c s we have partners in care so numbers numbers three are really big important part of all of this and i know you folks wanted to see numbers so this is the twenty sixteenth count statewide statistics and trend is a phenomenon that happens across the united states that number that you see there of the total count if you take out and multiply that by thirty percent about one third of those people have a serious and persistent mental illness so those are homeless of dogs with mental illness or others about thirty percent of its whole population that's not just true phenomena that happens across united states and i do see an error in this slide where the unsheltered should be twenty sixteen and sheltered on the top we have the twenty ok more figures so that their count and i will have each group explain their big count ok so this is good money to a colleague so for our facility we do have two facilities on the island we have one in central maui and then we have our other facility and on the west side on the high end and so we  different bed counts according to which facility here you are referring to in our central location we do have one hundred fourteen bed so we would have forty studios thirty two two bedroom units in our transitional  person in that studio actually i would say probably the maximum we could have in a studio would be three percent so we would be able to have a mother and a father or you know two partners and a child in that studio and then with our  beds in our women's storm so it's as a total is ninety but again please keep in mind that that me so actually may actually account for a little bit more than ninety where we're able to accommodate more than thank you i think you  oh thank you chair i'd like we'd like to continue with family life center and there is still we have an emergency shelter with fifty beds fifteen for a man thirty five for women did you want to speak about your permanent housing we also have two projects permanent housing and one is in happy valley it's a sixteen unit apartment building in and commercial areas another create another four units that will be ten units all together so sorry just wanted to add speaking to a modest talking about we also have affordable housing with cali ok although which is our holly mcconnell wylie affordable housing units we actually have two hundred units in central and we have thirty units on the west side for affor housing and if i may i want to just represent the domestic box community as well because one of the big counts that you're not going to see on this that's not here on this slide is that beds that are available at the domestic violence shelter now it's not considered a homeless mental health kokura in the middle of beds that you see there those are part of a group a series or group homes that we have here in now it was sixty six beds total we're also looking at adding a we have another contract for what's called you've heard the term housing first so all of this would be for individual supported housing and we're looking we have a total goal this year of five of those placements as well in addition to that and we are  renovating a building where we hope to have another five to ten units depending on how far the money goes to be able to develop and then finally we have a proposal in four to open up what's called a safe haven type ill and you come in and this is a model that's been across united states and people stay for as long as they want to almost about eight out of ten people choose to move on to something else but they can stay there permanently if they want to and that will be we hope line item budget but if i could just mention you mentioned earlier i want to underscore this that the when you talk about the people who are chronically homeless out there the these are the folks that cost the most money even though it's maybe thirty percent or so of the total population out there that are homeless and they cost two to three times as much as anybody else does for example in our housing projects and this is true across the country the average cost per person per year is about sixteen thousand dollars depending on where location is it could be sixteen to twenty thousand dollars a year per person that includes housing food psychiatry nursing all that stuff right up to the case management it's about sixteen to twenty thousand dollars a year the cost for a person that's homeless as the mayor was saying earlier this is at least three times that it's about seventy five thousand dollars a year for somebody to be in an institution  or actually be in and out of emergency rooms so for example somebody who goes we have i'm sorry just to me take thirty seconds here what happens many times is what they call there's even a word for this in the emergency room they're called frequent flyers people vent go into the hospital into the emergency room they're treated for a day or two and then they're discharged back to being homeless and so they come back in the next week or a couple of weeks later average average hospitalization is anywhere from four to six times a near the beginning of what it is where there's one why pacific health corps one person came into the emergency room one hundred forty two times in one year it was basically their shelter and each time they commune they have to do a work up because of federal laws the emtala laws they do a work up to keep them maybe professional fees each one of those visits cost anywhere from fifteen to twenty thousand dollars so you can see just a visit like a few visits per year pays their rent for an entire year in a program like ours so it's very cost effective to for us to deal with them rather than the system and society thank you thank you ok you know you're probably wondering where is the homeless alliance over trying to getting there but we wanted to continue to give us more care so i just learned how to do this slide so if anyone is to keep ask me but i'm still not that good at it but i wanted to be sure to see show that really work well together and so that's why i really wanted to show you as a group that really pulls together and works together we meet every other month every i'm sorry every even and we also applied for hud funding together and where our entire system is measured we have performance based measures that are measured system wide not just  so like we said the bridging the gap our mission is to eliminate homelessness through open communication inclusive participation and coordinated integrated response is a member as well as i am the county representative to bridging the gap some of our goals well as advocate for policy changes that promote a comprehensive long term approach for eliminating homelessness and for developing affordable housing and to work collaborative collaboratively with other agencies and groups throughout the state of hawaii and to change the public perception of homeless and just wanted to give you an idea of some of the key entities that we work with with bridging the gap so we have the hawaii interagency council on homelessness hic the hud hawai'i office is the department of human people working together to end homelessness what does that mean is i mean home ever going to be any more homeless now it actually means there's a new a new buzzword for everybody we are trying is as modest two is to get to something called functional zero that means we have the people waste off the streets and we have enough housing inventory to be able to place somebody in thirty to sixty days that mean trick but there are there are cities there are still seas out there that have done it houston salt lake two of the cities that have done that phoenix has done it for veterans you know wahoo place more than seven hundred veterans and in housing in the last eighteen months or so that was  homeless you know most people with mental illness other kinds of issues families it's a very complicated topic with one simple solution and that's housing the housing is not so simple because you're finding affordable housing in hawaii is a o is also challenging where there's not a lot of inventory out there to choose from so creating affordable housing is really the the biggest call for partners in care on a walker thank you and so we did mention about the department of human services and the homeless program office and bridging the gap really thinks the homeless are the homeless program office as they are they are  collaborative applicant who help says get the funding from mind any other comments automatic renewal the all of us have to apply the applications are scored rated and ranked and then there's what's called the tear one there's not enough money to go around so we have to bring all the projects and see who based on performance really and so and then there's another tier after that tear to where we can apply for new projects and last year we score we homeless alliance here we are our mission to bring together and individuals dedicated to increasing opportunities for compassionate community responses to homeless so just to let you know that homeless alliance like maad was saying has been around for a long long time but then because of funding purposes we became a charter charter member of bridging the gap as well as so we became a chapter of the so molly homeless alliance meets every third wednesday  time at the emil classroom number one and it is open to the public and we welcome many of you to come and join us here so we wanted to talk about some of the solution instead dressed homelessness and one of the primary strategic ways that we believe we're going to end homelessness is by doing coordinated entry and getting to that point that greg talked about which is functional zero so in order to do that we have to have a coordinated system where we prioritize and identify individuals and identify the resources that are available and ensuring that the right individuals are matched with the right resources because there's only so many so much in resources that is available so in order to do that then we all have to get together and we as we are doing outreach and as we are doing intake we begin to identify not begin to we've already identified a number of homeless individuals in our community we come together and everyone is assessed a tool called the vi superdad which is pretty much a assistance tool anyway it's a seven minute assessment they can be done very quickly and it helps us to prioritize what the needs are it's sort of like being in an emergency room where you have to do you have to be side who needs the most help what kind of help they need and and how do they get it and so we do this quick assessment people get a score is just an initial thing and after that there's more assessments that come into play but when we do that then together and we'll go over and identify who needs help and who is going to be providing the services and in this way it doesn't matter who has a contract to do what we don't just say oh well i pick this person i pick this person and we say this is the next person on this that needs assistance and they're going to be the next person that is served with the money that's available with the appropriate for me and so  and then develop a system going how do we put people on to the list again every person that comes in we ensure that they're assessed and that they get into into this place and we get begin to prioritize and we know who we're working with how many people we have how many people we still need what resources we still need to ask for and do we have enough capacity to handle the people that are out there and we can have some real data on how best to serve  these guys are going to work with the most needy the highest on that index but those other folks they'll get referrals you know they'll know that there are places for them to go as well so this is serving everybody the fact that this is actually what magia just described is a state of the art business model for homelessness which is in every c e o see across the united states right now so i want to be sure that that's understood  on the cutting edge of what's going on in the world of homelessness and that's and it's very simply it's a coordinated interest we've got a long acronym for the i spit at so you assess people figure out what their needs are in a coordinated and like the last bullet says we're here to ensure that homeless persons are treated with dignity and respect and i cannot emphasize that enough sorry i'm cracking up and sorry but i think being out there in the trenches and talking to them really is i can i am just so proud of our outreach that are out there that are doing it every day you know a all of the centers and the programs so thank you very much so again you've heard about some of the things that happen at the moment the homeless alliance and we really do welcome you to come to our meetings as we try to provide direction in response to what's continue of care an competition for homeless assistance funds but it's not just that it's community that is working collaborative collaboratively together and we really appreciate all of all of that going on or being forward wanted to share with you the members of the homeless alliance as you can see that we have we have quite a plethora of community members as well as business members and as well as our agencies that are right there in the trenches our call to action at the molly homeless alliance is like mr payton says we're trying really hard to become part of that coordinated entry system rapidly housing permanent supportive housing acquire and build affordable housing it's all about housing if you can see  you're on the out because see committee yes i am thank you so we do have an advocacy committee and this advocacy committee is very grateful to pick because we also we sit on their monthly advocacy committee and they're the ones that have their feet to the ground they're the ones that are out there they have the priority issues they've done all their research and they've taught us how to do testimonies and they give us the blasts that come out for those homelessness issues that you know we're all interested in and so they do most of the work for us and we bring that to our current homeless alliance and we talk about what those bills are that need our attention and we request support for those so we really appreciate having pick all of that legwork for us because you know we all know how crazy it gets and you know we just don't have the time to put that kind of tour at because issues but you know the they pay attention to the state weight issues not just all walked through issue so for us that's important because that housing first piece we were all saying we need housing for schools that's one of the solutions and if not for them drawing their attention drawing our attention to those bills we don't you know we're not there to be able to testify in favor of those so thank you another accomplishment is every year that in the third week of november we have the hunger and homelessness awareness week it starts out this week this year is going to be nov fourteenth fifteen sixteen seventeen and eighteen and so we start out monday with a proclamation from the mare by the mare to proclaim  november to proclaim that the hungry homeless awareness week and then on tuesday we have a sign waving campaign where we have worse we're blessed that we're all over we're on the west side and we're also central and we have a huge sign waving just to get public attention and on wednesday at come on a shopping center we have a candlelight vigil we have a short program and then on thursday is the homeless health fair at the salvation army on friday there is a statewide conference on homelessness another accomplishment this year for the first it was as it says it's addressing the escalating crisis situation of homelessness impacting the entire state including our local commune and so we had guest speakers we had a representative from the governor's office we had scott morris she gave who is the homeless liaison for the governor we had the mayor we had director reiman speak on the issues we had our local landlords as well as a trade show that represent had lot of representation of the different agencies for housing what was interesting and what we what was was really great was that we also honored a landlord and in this  alliance as well as just giving them assistance in as much as we can and we also did have a homeless community forum which we would probably like to i look at again so that we can share more things with the  see the folding members on this sheet they'd all represent all of the agencies that come to our meetings and and partner with us and work with us and collaborate with us so we appreciate all of them thank you for reminding me of that so yes could also the county a different agency or departments like police department parks department public works we're all in it together here thank you and speaking of department of housing and human concerns i know it's really tiny but then this is this sheet of the grant funding for the homeless program and so i just wanted to really see that  that all the ground amounts and homeless are figures here have been adjusted so that it reflects the percentage of homeless that  so the bottom figure is a total from twenty eleven to twenty sixteen the total for the for the six years it was fifteen million four hundred thirty thousand sixty four dollars so we just wanted to leave you with this quote that many of us almost like a mantra for us our legacy to end homelessness our goal to be out of  i just wanted to thank you again i'm sorry are there any other comments before i close thank you i just have a couple of thoughts i wanted to share when we looked at the bed count and we looked out  the homeless situation and now i just want to give us a quick snapshot because i look back at this and it was helpful to me so if you turn a page five council members of your side show or i'm sorry you may not have  i don't know what side it is homeless individuals in my county yes it's page by i don't know what it is on your site so probably site five yes so you'll see that this is unsheltered approximately one thousand three hundred twenty eight and the hundred individuals who don't have shelter just just want to point that out because that would be a great thing to look at and even we look at our data bases that we have and how we're capturing the data that we have  data is great but we need permanent housing so i just wanted to point that out as permanent housing would be would be the answer in the solution to all of these numbers that we have here that we continue to count so thank you i just want to point that out real it's been taken a better understanding of the complexity of the issues of homelessness and be half of them are we homeless alliance so we want to thank you for this opportunity to share about homelessness in maui county and again thank you homeless alliance members in the audience appreciate your support and don't forget we homeless alliance meets every where every third wednesdays discussion and further comments from the administration of our committee as well as our calls so i'd like to thank all of you for your dedication and commitment to help us questions you know i just wanted to reiterate a sentiment to the council members and care for allowing us to opportunity to present homelessness is a tough and very complex issue and members thank you very much and i'd like to think the panel very much for being here today and beyond that for all the work that you do on a daily basis and i do know that i know most of you and i know that this is not a nine to five that we heard today and i have a list of questions but it was number one on page nineteen of your hand don't you mention the membership and i think it might be very helpful because you have lobby asleep to highlight in the little time you have what is being done but maybe a one liner on each of these members and what they provide might be helpful for those that were not covered i think would be very helpful you know the public wants to help many times and we're asked or are need and i know did our community also wants to help but if they don't know what is being done they can't help so maybe i really like i said a one liner because you can't get into describing everyone but the ones that we haven't talked about could you briefly tell us what they were doing if you don't distribute toiletries medical supplies i should say medical supplies but you know little point and send bandages and some i guess they also the staff can follow up with panelists or the alliance to give us your one liner sort of like a directory for us or i wouldn't think when people call assist to holly we can so to do follow up i think a resource directory is really here because you know this changes constantly programs come in program school and most of us don't have any clue what's going on so i think that would be extremely helpful we don't want to put them on the on the spot here but you know maybe just a little bit of information would be video hopeful thing and it goes to the problem is it changes all the time so this might be a real good thing to put on the line somewhere   that morning was free because it was really really it occasional for me and i'm sure that the public also learned from listening what i thought was really unique was the ability to listen to the landlord's side of the story you know we all hear about the homeless and we hear about the problems and we hear about we can find a house listening to the landlord so to was really really hopeful to get their perspective on what they see are the issues and essentially weirdly would like help and it was very interesting to me particularly to hear about their fear of asking to become section eight approved because they were so afraid that somebody might turn them in for a non compliant issue and i think that's something that we as legislators need to take a look at because we don't want to make them so afraid to come forward and say i have a room but it may not you know meet all the specific asians and for that reason we lose their space or their dot com edition because they were afraid so i think there's something that we might want to talk about it sometime any comments or questions their in this effort and this with heart to do this and i think that's what i am so proud of my county these are people in the need is there they step up to the plate the one concerning use you have with all of this and this was brought up by some members in the back are specifically looking for back to build facilities for our homeless was not in my backyard of homelessness mental health and other facilities i'm often badgered by people saying why don't we have it all here and my response is basically our day human beings don't they deserve the same respect dignity as you mentioned me she basically did back away at that point because they know my sentiment is i don't care where they are put they should be given the same dignity and respect as anyone else but the challenges we face in  this many times i want to keep repeating is the word inventory we can talk the talk we can we can give all this money and carly and holly called col and molly foodbank to create jobs but until we take care of the homeless chronic inventory do we lack here in my county none of this come to fruition and the hidden homeless is even bigger than the homeless we see on the streets i know of many families and you know all of this is affected by something else so i want to place our support in our continued effort to to to do what we can not only in this area but i still believe in the area of building we've got to take down the barriers and start building and those who don't want and don't want to become like a walkover then i tell them to maybe maybe they should look to live somewhere because you know what we need to do something now it's acute experts let's have them help us and businesses if you think it's expensive now i agree with that statement it was said that you know the people that go to emergency i had recently for myself  experienced a day and a half emergency when i was up in i mean the bill came up nearly forty thousand dollars i have medical insurance so i am blessed in that respect but you think about somebody else who does actually implement the new positions that have been provided for your department thank you chair right now we are trying to get some job descriptions of existing system so we hope to have that up by the end of this week and try to move forward on getting some people in the positions thanks to council we have a on this tornado position and a homeless specialist position that will be coming course you have all your bullet points as to what i guess this can be for us to address and look at possible solutions are you able to attach to to be part of the reduction of homelessness yes absolutely so i think earlier this month mayor transmitted shelter expansion which includes all of our service providers here today child it's of stones trait but it's not really it's true we can't do it alone we don't have the resources and we always are held people ask questions about duplication where you're only doing homelessness so you know we're  duplicating but the fact that you are collaborating and you're saying ok you do this and i'll do this and somebody else do something we stretch the money and do it effectively so again i want to see thank you for doing that and not having walls but you know working love paying attention to what's going on on facebook and i spent quite a bit of time watching a thing that was going on on the big island something called the convoy of hope and it reminded me of that thing that  medical help for free essentially a convoy of help did that on the big island this past week and it was an incredible a real of service along with entertainment and ten same food and whatever i'm just wondering are we looking into anything like that is there anybody thinking about it i think you have to plus i am sure because this cannot be something that's easily done but it would be so good for us to do curious goes across the nation and so we have recently looked into it but there's been efforts in the past to me it is on our radar and something we continually why to see pretty good thank you i think somebody should really look into it because this is an excellent to get services to people who really need it who cannot afford but it does take a lot of quoted nations have to take it on as a project but our homeless veterans and we've been talking about having a veteran stand down and they're looking at november for this and it will be like that can be a it probably won't be as big i don't know about the entertainment but they actually want to have the services right there for the veterans and they're talking about passing the veterans in and they want to have it centrally located so we're just starting to work on this even thomas shero who's with the office of social ministry but the diocese the catholic diocese she's spearheading this so you know we've only had one meeting so far and so we can learn from this and we can see what we can do for the general population and of course we're going to find out how much it costs the true cost to not the everything so maybe that would be a good segue into something like that time and i know the community college does have an outreach program and others but continue to do the part when if you continue to work with these professional groups they offer their services all the time you know i was just at my dentist and he told me that he she would reach out and help you know and go to various mobile locations and help so i believe you know that's another area around show we should be looking at because you take care of their hunger and their and their s there's the physical part dentistry and doctoring is very very important you need th agree they do a fabulous job there's no question about it my my my my sometimes the public's reaction to what is happening out there is not as positive as i'd like it to be shawn just putting that out so thank you for what you do and and alliance any further comments administration and our committee yes and by so just one last thing that i'd like to ask the committee you know we are looking at you to help us out of a problem and it's more than a problem it's really it's it's right here sitting in this room and i think every single one of us is affected by it but the let the question i want to ask you is how can we know what you can do how can we hope you busy days to listen to what we have to say and to ask us for that information because it's just common a shows your own professionalism and your caring for the community as well so i think you what's going to happen to repairs if there's any damage to the property and is there any kind of responsiveness who is going to be there to follow up twenty four seven in case something happens what that's the figure when you approach somebody the one thing that has been helpful from number stake and i think los angeles to this they had a pot of money that they had put together i don't know what it was it was like ten thousand dollars or something where they would say here's a damage fun if there's any damage to the property we can go to this and i think the united way held it but it was just it really was you know hardly ever used but it was there to help defray the fear of the landlords that are out there to say well we do have  have a contingency fund for any risk that might be for the for damages to the property as i said the folks that we place for example we have the hardest of the hardest people to place they almost always say that they're the best defense tenants they have because they're so happy to have a house you know their biggest problem is they invite all their friends over to show your house right now so it's a little bit different but those are the three think any way that we can help with existing inventory that's out there how can we maximize existing inventory even ohana as a people's houses anything how can we help people understand what the risk is to them because it's a fearful thing if you're a your landlord if you have a place that you rented before you can say where you're going to rent to somebody who can pay full fare with good credit and and a steady job are you going to rent to a homeless person who is going to pick you know it's that fear of no one who are these people  what are they going to be they're going to be violence is are going to be drug trafficking is going to be illegal activity all those verbal things come into it well as providers we wouldn't put our name behind it or somebody that we were sure was going to be successful there but i think that kind of thing there is a way that we can come up with our united effort to educate the public on how we can place people into affordable housing permanent housing in the community  share there has been that flexibility and we have been able to do some of the damages or some of the repairs that are necessary in order to have the housing past say a section eight inspection  and flexibility in funding for positions to respond in a twenty four hour basis right now our staff we we will respond because that is one of the great fears and so we might be some of this is solutions and so we provided some solutions including plan for acquiring a building to convert to permanent housing and some other temporary kind of  solution so anything that can be done i don't know it's difficult i don't know if we can build our way out of this is a long term solution we do need but we also need to acquire properties thank  elma and i agree with everyone here i also feel that we need to have navigators you know the people that are actually going to be working with these folks in permanent housing so our housing first housing focused model that we're all pushing for we can get the money to do that but we need to build those services in as well for those people in order to make them successful you know a lot think they don't have access to computers to go online to apply or what have you i think an outreach process as you do your intakes i'm sure you do that but there are people that i've come in contact with on my own island just don't know how to do it and i've referred it to their department so hopefully that can be so members without objections i will defer this matter if we have no furthe discussion after excuse me i'm going to reverse and member i'm sorry i'll make this quick you showed my memory i wanted to ask do we still have this line of that our section eight has reopened the wait list so currently the wait list is open it's been open since july first and it will close on july fifteenth can go online to our website a to fill out the information application or they can call or office and we'd be glad to walk them through the process or six you need office i don't have the phone number with me off the top of my head but you know our section eight team has  worked like amazingly and they cleared list of three thousand names earlier last year it's quite a herculean effort and many people were on that we list for five six seven years so the fact that they've cleared it three thousand names off the wait list they opened up the wait list last year and then we've opened up the wait list once again this year so you know kudos to our section a team for doing such a great charge and contrary to  popular belief yes it is very difficult to find housing but people are having some success in finding homes and thanks to the homeless alliance for putting out the landlords you know we've had some success with that as well i've heard  some profit providers telling me that the have landlords that are willing to rent now so it's all good thank you i have your number for section eight 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