them for everybody out there who may not have been here previously i'd encourage you if you have any interest in any of the applications or projects to do and want to make some comments i'd urge you to to not only be in attendance tonight but you need to have spoken up about the project no matter what you want to say is fine with us and we do courage public participation for those who are out there watching us on the t v channel i'd like to encourage you we have an opening on the d r b and with all the recent interest in zoning no matter what side you come down on we're the ones that interpret the ordinance so if you feel strongly about what's happening with zoning in richmond i think urge you to make your desires known and come join us on the d r p we do have an open seat having said that the first matter of her gender is noise property l l c application twelve dash one a one eight two for conditional use review site planner view and application twelve dash one and three for play and unit development for professor professional office space in apartment located at fifty three railroad street the zero point two acre parcel of the village commercial zone a district so old all who are going to come forward for this application please do let me swear you would you swear firmly tell the truth the whole truth and nothing  just it's another every ninety feet fifty feet of pavement but the additional two feet really isn't going to make much of a difference in terms of passing cars can't pass whether it's ten to twelve feet and we but it can't be changed but it can form one could argue that this is a change to commercial right and so the residential must discontinue in particular because residential is not allowable right because so then we come as a plant unit development and that's not super explicit either whether a mixed use in this environment would be allowed because the residential specifically is allowed by up to three existing or it could be in it you could make it it can petition depending on how close you are to having this be fine and finally if there's going to be a change you could the dear be could simply on that road those waivers related to the with the road trip we were to go through the floodplain area so that we didn't create any further disturbance there and  the road standard will coordinate about twelve hundred feet of the property at hammerhead suitable for turning fire equipment around and then it will be private drive from there the existing three private accommodations for the emergency crews they understand how to operate the gates and how to access in and  and asked for an extension of the figure i seeking out of mediator i am happy to say that they are seeking the use of  teams professional help jim spink as a mediator and i think they could have chosen a better person and i'm hoping that with the help of jim spin they will reach it in agreement some vision regulations there were a few comments related to the length of time it takes for decisions to get issued by this board right i think  decisions terms of time frame well you know we have forty five days usually when the meeting or a typical meeting ends and we have four or five efficacious it's late already so usually don't get that much done of the day of the hearing  and it takes a while for us to simply to go through and figure out what was said to us before the next meeting we usually discusses that's thirty days and usually within the next within that time in the next two weeks we issue a decision right for us to do it sooner we do either need another meeting and it's all good for the public to feel that we should they should fester but they're not the one sitting on the board none of them volunteered to sit on the board so i think they should give some deference to us who do sit on the board i mean we can serve and make them it seems like some of the ones that have taken longer at least to my recollection process that uncomfortable this is not the most comfortable one so i think we tend to see stuff like right before people decide to actually do something and all of a sudden the seasonality and stuff it's decided things came sooner there'd be plenty of time for things to get done so that the one thing we can try and do is just try to help encourage people get the word out that there are processes like a sketch plan review you know things that would allow people to plan people ask this how much time it will it is a piece of it but even people i think sometimes we don't recognize it as an opportunity to come to the board several cycles in advance of when they might want to actually propose something  to them to use us right to use us as a as a sounding board more than a decision area or interpretive toward this area well let's go through it together and see what we can figure out because it is complicated you know or are there are nuances there are vagaries and then that way it's not a battle at the end try to shoehorn something through i mean i know we like to be able to bring stuff fully prepared and well thought out and then inevitably was that amount questions so i mean it sounds like marketing right but how do you get people to come sooner and utilize things like sketch plan or visa stuff for complicated projects that and go fast and also if we have one or two hearings or no hearings in january february and march and then people come to us in april mar it will leave june to build in the summertime to build in the summer time and we get you know that's their problem and then i think we've done well when we get backed up to do a second day when we can be or need to be but it's not a surprise when the regs are posted on the website information is all public record so it shouldn't be a huge surprise for someone asa to project what speeding up the process breaking news of the whole permanent process is you know from the time you conceive of submitting an application to i mean your decision is on average people are feeling like three or four months you know there's not much we can do to kind squeeze fifteen days out of that it's not that much and that's probably the best you can do by adding me every night and going to that kind of cycles you go with the whole thing i think people have to plan more you know if they want to build the summer coming to us in may and june will make it difficult right now if they come to us in january and february knowing that there's a period of warning there's a period where what the process is and what the regs are you know i don't know maybe we maybe leave once in a while once a quarter put some in the times right that says hey if they're going to building here's a great reminder you put a little add in a few i mean it sounds silly but pagers you know kind of simple guides that people can grab because you pick up this thing and it's like to that it's really intimidating think about how do you get started you know the offices and stuff are excessive the but if we can make it easy for easier for people to kind of self to development in the floodplain and the changes are similar to proposed and defeated but those changes will result in fewer allocations coming to the more information or when you question so can't always be done and you know you're it is sometimes a damned if you do damned if you don't and if we got out early as scheduled already doing a meeting every two weeks and somebody you know how many how many decisions how many applications come before us that and need multiple hearings other than those where the process requires it like the winners i plan and final say again we have no control over ultimately how long that process takes because it's up to the developer to take the preliminary scuffed away make whatever changes that's and decide when they want to come back you know he gives you just off to see just you know   road agreement about maintaining the road maintenance road they're maintaining the road on and so then it speaks about an eleven he my lawyer will write a fair maintenance road agreement and hopefully it'll suffice both of those conditions then and then  be you know issued until the entire road is bill at least at least up a struct or the like and start building a house which oftentimes leads to interests and you know  exist as language really points to it happening in one way is there or is there a point in the in the construction process that that could that it c week but i think our intention vera call was that that steep section that's going to be paved the way just to a point to support the construction traffic and that kind of stuff more from a safety perspective certain point where it will be approved for travel to be that necessarily finished and i think that's where the challenged nears having some problems with the ambiguity of that term right because his that if that if if that means it's going to be constructed in the pm with i think it's six source he one of the one of the sheets in the plan then mike would need to know that but and at what point does it have to be constructed to sheet six that's what that's what might be to know so she she'd six defining completeness correct whatever the driveway or the room was that the just the design o if it's a multiple year process and you have a road that's not you have people living there now and the road is not really it's fine for construction vehicles but for folks who are living there it may not be quite adequate snow well that's where you would put in language that's a lot that you know the road should be completed or it's finished condition prior to the issuance of the first with right subdivision i think some way in which they're ok great but the way safety plan and approved by the town engineer you do it every want to get your building permits or whatever it's not that's just kind of my opinion but it seems like these guys know how what their trucks can or can't then we need to pull over and sometimes are waiting for more information from people if we close it we usually close it to unless you make a decision at that moment to close it to the will of session and then we have that and typically from the hearing to deliver a session usually is about thirty days till we can write it up and think about it and answer questions in our own mind and then even after make the decision and there's a four week waiting period thirty day waiting period under state law so those those periods at the beginning in the end we have no control over and if as we talk even if we had a second meeting all he'll be doing is probably cutting two weeks off now that's important to people who bring their application to us it may in one to their project in the summer there are times in january and february where we don't have a meeting because no one comes in for a soak you know some of it is education some of it is just clear if you come if you want to do a project to the server and you show up in may it's go because there's as far as that tie line if you have to bring something before the deal there be there's going to be a period of time that just can't be circumvented and i  think you know explaining to people that is what it is but whatever we can do that does not have a good through the process take away those responsible use that you guys the town  but i would like to get your opinion on what it is that's out there that you guys are seeing down that low doesn't necessarily need to come when i drive into my driveway every day well my car wasn't there five minutes ago now it's there that's a human made change and i'm being extreme for the purposes really asking these questions right and really taking empty because and you and i had this conversation one on one of the hearings because i was digging trying to dig through some of the fema documents and i found plenty of the main issue documents that were counter to what the discussion was around the definition of develop and nobody has shown me nobody has put in front of me a document a definitive document that says that still says what development is and how things are defined and so i really struggle with that because it's just like our own brains it's stuffed full of those are the folks who say this is what we need in the in the repairs but but great so they were there but that has to need based aid they need as it as a kind of process person to water quality systems for people build airplanes great what's the objective evidence what are they going back to this the reference standard that provides them that local opinion now this is what we need care what you mean show me the document th change so nature gets the leaves to fall out of the tree if i rate them into a pile and then i leave them in that pile in my lot that's a human made change i think you're dealing more i mean it's all my impression has always is a little bit which is why we want to get as much as possible first of all i mean because of even though there is a year goes by that i don't replace my roof and my house condition deteriorates they're not willing to give me any leeway that it's worth  but suddenly when i replace it my house is worth a whole lot more they don't factor depreciation of those things and put into these calculations and so there are there are vagaries and again so in the absence of the standard rate how do you make some of these decisions i mean if again take the take the window example if in the you know in the dark of night i went out and changed all the glass in all my windows in my house and then i had a hundred people stroll by the next day and say have to monitor it it's that good purpose of the permitting and monitoring these improvements and die is all built around the the national national flood insurance plan it's the end i p stand because that the federal government is bearing the risk of loss in the flood plain for people that are paying into that program and so just like you and me who don't live in the flood plain when we make substantial improvements to our property we want to tell our insurance company we've made these improvements with that word leaked and we preserve a premium and now the insurance company is very risk of loss if there's somebody that's in a house in the flood plain puts in a fifty thousand dollars kitchen they want to know that because if the next big one hits and a house gets wiped out they they bear that risk falls and they don't want to do that you know it's inevitable that those things are going to happen so was stated that's an example that has nothing to be right why would somebody come to the er be to be told they can't build something not all year i was just saying that as far as where we are a lot of the absolute bare bones  stringent or tighter than the federal quarantine there's a benefit to the town for that great but i would not be inclined to make people come to us in any fashion that is more onerous than the federal her  to sit down and talk over off after this team which is going to be inclined people should have to come to the area when they have to come to the d or b because the town has said they need to be here whether they're in a spaces developed and more parking lot g m's people in public areas i think the intent was to keep it pretty i mean when you look at that that was called the village said the developer seemed to be fighting hard for they certainly did and for certain mix late basically what they came back and said listen we were we were all arguing for the most possible favor position we could get and what we came away with w course what's wrong with what we have and again i think you guys would be great to answer some of those questions i mean i r think are the planning commission has a lot of good reasons and i think we've that will really impact on people's lives why do we need it well because the top plan says that we need to conform to the tub plan the the problem is most people don't realize that when what they don't ones oh yeah we talked about that a bit i've reached out to a lot of people i've heard from saw i think up i think there's a certain element that doesn't like dissolve it all right and the fact that ours only went from hundred ten pages to one hundred seventy pages just meant more regulation rather than clarity and the red shifts so they saw that and said certainly but you know there's there are odd there's a lot of people who do i think but that that was a strong component and there's a lot of people who are well i think  scared people there was a lot of people who work on it's not scare is the right word but anxious about what they were hearing you know there's a lot of word out from cork forum there's a through walk through a lack of understanding of what the regs were actually saying but i can tell you having times the flood of claims so i mean regulations were quoted as being applying to everybody r or so maybe the opportunity for getting information or marketing cheese holes that existed in the current regs as we have now and whether what we're proposing addresses those issues and could they do a better job of addressing those issues and i think one of the fundamental components of this regulation as we have a proposed is the fact that it's a unified by law it is taking a subdivision and these regulations and the difficulty of what we have now compared to the potential at least of what we're going towards you know i'm sure would there are there's things that are in their balance that could be even more fire t even in the last hearing sort of having missed a few things i think it was a great document i mean i voted yes for a couple of reasons one the unification two who are really clarifying definitions hearing but he's proposing something or a street that based on the current race i could made an argument just as easily that he couldn't do it as it could and so when you have situations like that and we make our best there and then you know it comes before us and that's when it really you see what what what it's worth to try to get a living document i mean you look at the current rates and this just last amended here but i mean this has been that and certainly man and machine was affected i mean this affected now they're still in the car and saw the regulations not conforming is just the way they are fortunately in fact if you look at the current regulations were very high surf while highly discussed issues of you know bad for business so people were looking for excuses to say it was bad for business and those are two clear cut examples of where i was turned bad think the tide against us so long and i and i think maybe she has something that we probably could fix i'm not quite sure how yet we put it in the village and there's something we can work with  m and talk about we didn't think it would be critical because we were open it was sort of sift its way out with some with some answers but we didn't have a good answer before the vote so we're stuck with it certainly at this  and we're not going to change up about like that for twenty years right so all but ultimately i envision especially after hearing from you guys tonight one thing i was most concerned about is the wisdom of the unified bylaws which i saw a lot of us today but i'm darn work with them every day trying to turn and it's nice to hear that you guys but