issue the district court rely on the affidavit of wilson moore and the longest jurisdiction is clear that an affidavit must be reasonably detailed which means that it must include the search terms and that type of or well we're presenting the ardennes we think are the clear cut winner for mr de groot be certainly raised that when it is known so it's still and it may be nothing preventing you from asking for them tomorrow right that's correct right that's always the case right away and i think if th but not under any form of popper's correct i see we did and interestingly enough the district court did not deny appointment california's case it initially did but it did so in order in which the court also dismissed administrator gravity which simply not available to him and he did not fail to adopt and there is another so is this the government's response only that he received those two letters that seems to be their first as i understand their without the regional director for spot if he did receive them in that case the six that said he had exhausted he did everything he was supposed to do the court use this language richard did not attempt to bypass the administrative region profit process detailed above  permanently endeavor to comply with and that's what we have here this is your group affirmatively attempting to comply with the procedures and in fact this case is easier to decide then that case because that individual richard he went straight to federal court yet you want to respond sure mr de groot does standing present his claims that standing unconstitutional staining requires three things a concrete injury or injury traceable to government and can be reports that current i know this court affirmed part of the case and in affirming did we not affirm the denial of his boy or request for the financial records of the inmate trust funds that is one of them or the work day or not i understand so to the extent the government are dues that he hasn't shown any injury because he first has to show that these funds were used in a certain way that adversely affected him has our firm and disabled him from obtaining the information the government says he needs that are wor well he was asking for these financial records and that part of the case is gone but the government's brief now says that he can't show standing unless he can show somehow that money used money in the end may trust fund was misuse and so my question is how in his inmate trust fund presumably that where i'm with my own thank you why don't we hear from actually and then we'll give you a couple of minutes did the district court specifically addressed that in the district court said that he could have obtained a staff certification that his inability to meet the time requirement and or out of the beaten ten  letter that the brewer was able to obtain from a counselor at his institution that indicated that he had received some administrative remedy documents so i soon that's what the document would look regulations that permits him to have an alternative means to just like the regulation also has other provisions that dilla timeliness in this case if he was unable to comply with the time  time required probably because of a transfer or some other reason he could obtain the stuff certification and he was specifically advised that he could do that and he did a little odd here since the records you know it's your record your prisons record i'm actually it's not i believe that the staff certification or the letters that he received indicating that he could o that the documents he failed to attach were in the possession of the bureau of prisons i would i would assume that the probably the regional office considering that that was where the denial would have come from probably had it but i don't know whether the specific institution would have had well so i'm clear the document he failed to attach do you agree that was a we have before us now read he says that to someone on staff and they make a judgment as to whether he's being truthful or not is assumably that's how it works but we don't know because he didn't try and  because he received the regional directors denial and therefore was able to attach it correctly so some regional directors responded to his requests and others didn't i don't i wouldn't say that your hon relief i wouldn't say clearly your honor but it appears that he did or write so something unique analysis of the district court on that regard is is wrong with it's correct with regard to money damages but that's not what i asked with regard to the equitable relief it's wrong now on the business claim he tried he tried to amend his complaint right to to to to to of ledge that the official the is the record for it doesn't even exist anymore which i know i know but the response he received referred him to a federal register site which i looked at that doesn't tell you anything and then when i go to three three four that doesn't tell me anything either in other words i understand what operating a business is but if i'm an author and i'm talking to my age and my agent gets my book published and then i get a royalty check is that what the bureau of prisons in compass is to be operating a business that's what i was trying to find out and i couldn't find any guidance on that i think that i think that's really asked for i think there was some issue about that because the bill he also has a policy that allows that made the court figure out what the status of this to here too when you're dealing with an agent you've written a book and you're dealing with an agent is that operating your business what is your four hundred four way well right now the regulation three three four said that you can operate a certification the sort of prejudging the process we don't know no but you see i think at least my concern is that you're setting up a system that's full of failure but even get the rights that or you don't have a document saying that this staff person said you had to go to somebody else and you can just see three three four as is three four years old oh i think i think it's two thousand and eleven it may be i kind of blind anything about it that's  saying i actually found it it's in the program statement you write does it tell me exactly what kind of person i need to go to what rank what i need to get from him is there a form is there a letter involved in the search and didn't identify the scope and method of spiritual what is your response to that actually actually what the record shows is that mr moore prepared the declaration but he didn't conduct the but do you disagree with your friend's characterization that we don't have a sense of the scope of the search we know who is involved in it but that there is no description of what sort of search was undertaken well that that is text sort of the basic if he had been in trouble they just would have reprinted