talked about the mold and then talked about the carpeting the humidity for the carpeting and carpet in the bathroom and then the  fire extinguisher in the smoke detectors you know they were new when they were put in and then i guess the tenants are supposed to let us know if they want us to put new batteries or says of course almost the opposite here how did you come jan how did you come to this you know tell me about what you found and well i guess i have a more basic question before i address you didn't think my findings were accurate why did you go tear the place apart white painted white you got it and why didn't you call the select board and say hey i don't agree with jennifer and bring a select board in why am i hearing about this now i thought the birds were one of the rooms that had been pried off in the room on the right and there was mold on the inside surface of the back so liberated abuse it didn't have to be the big push then i don't need to read their cortisol the whole my question is if you didn't think there was mold and you're questioning my findings why don't you call the board or call the town or somebody before you spend your money and you can't just go without saying we don't know we we wanted to do some repairs anyway but nothing to do with the mold we were not complaining anything that happened in money on the repairs that's like you did absolutely exhausted what the vermont department helpful recommend that was probably a coincidence you know that there's nothing to do i mean we wanted to we would have painted it anyway when someone was going to move out fuzzy white white mold also anything anyway we all know what mold looks like but we know it's really good like i mean i had to do some mold testing and in the office i was in and they brought that in they guy didn't really visually look for anything he set up all sorts of tell you know you know in here he was this thing that sucked in air and it gave really bad i mean you can put up petri we've had other cases in town where the people didn't you know we saw them all but the landlords were had some issues with us and they the but have you read the report for surfers no i didn't receive any reports look at this and it doesn't matter to me it and mean it's it's not it doesn't matter to me but it's after the fact you guys are granted it oh no they came way before i mean i'm a landlord so i know that unfortunately the laws in vermont seemed to act smartly also came in the tent and told us that they thought they were small so we have someone come in and they said there wasn't mold and then we didn't hear from the tenant nothing until we place and i go through and i do that and then i send it to the owner and the tenant and a copy to the psych ward and to my knowledge to other town health officers don't fill out don't write a letter that goes with it but my opinion was and what i've always done is i put a letter with that that says you know here's the things that i see and here's what i'm trying to do to help you remedy the situation i know my impression is they probably gave you a good story because information jones saying she clicks in one way which she's trying to collect in which is visually and then you're having guys come in with equipment doing a different type of so i could see how these findings could be completely different i know that this is when they walked in jen said there was a another thing the time i don't agree with your findings i don't agree with how you did it you know i don't agree with coming in and just saying there's there's mold without doing any tests ok and that's not the process that the state follows it would be very i mean if the town is not going to look at these things differently in the future then we can see only address that but because you could say we can see very change your situation we could say you know it looks like there's a possibility  it's and i hate to say this but it's kind of almost has served the purpose of the lambs actually in most cases tenets that complain about the old tenants i complain about safety hazard tenants that complain about missing smoke and so again it seemed like a little bit of a your recommendation it was a recommendation i would call the carpet if you got problems  but there's no there's no reason that i could see that there was a problem with that they needed to do was way beyond way below that and then you leave the carpet ok so the carpet i'm not going back unless i get another car going the bathroom is who's at the level to make that judgment and it sounds like jen as the health inspector with her training from the state kind of rules about what t v would say i would be my guess whether that's fair or not i don't know that and again i haven't read that if that's in jennifer bathroom carpet where in the less it's a lot i don't know if we should be suggesting that sounds like more than a suggestion to me that sounds like you were acquiring them to do something to that bathroom carpet which is outside from your might your explanation open your i think is hard on these guys yeah i don't think that's fair i don't so if we get a water from you for them would be sufficient to get things roll well we want women to of tennis check was around ten percent except for the wood was thirty five percent and that's stuff they brought i don't know how jennifer in her job can go in reverse and say i didn't smell or see that i don't know how she can do that and if that's what you guys want from or i think that would be tough because she's saying that's what she was you know you know i appreciate you saying the professional company tested and there was no evidence of mold you know just i don't eat with my sleep i don't even feel comfortable doing that semi unfortunately it's after the fact well that's why we just want a letter saying that you made a mistake that it's and it's not i don't feel comfortable at all saying i made a mistake but i don't know that i made a mistake don't you think that if they are and i'm no lawyer of course but if there's a legal repercussions from this and she has her it's her smell test visual test but then you guys are sitting there with the other professional tests right afterwards that that that your own case to build i mean i don't think i agree with jen she can't use some third parties test that she didn't hire or this town didn't hire i don't think that would be right maybe we should i mean they do said maybe we have to work on something beyond the state for our town that when you do mold stuff as to being more than enough i don't know who jennifer's representing the township and i think we can look at what we do going for we probably get four to six complaints like this lately here with mold and concerns and we can and then we can even hire we can look at we can look at what we want to and that's you know i write a letter to a company and to hopefully help people understand what i saw that's i mean do you people agree with the letter the way it was  state so i don't have a problem with that i the only thing i mentioned before i do have a problem we should be should be aware of never to overstep any of that and it sounds like the carpet kind of suggestions in there might have been a little over reaching so that that part of that i totally you know see but i think it sounds like somewhat of a bit of a broken system a little bit here too that you guys are a part s that you have a copy there after a part that's part of the problem that's what i'm saying do you have a copy of it was it was this based on real information that was based on a report that i saw their house yes yes i in the house he stated that mold was a likely cause is that the so jens just referring to what the tenant said to her jones not saying exactly thing like that right and put that on the official statement along with a letter saying can print this out you know that she's there that's why they called me when i would but if you put that on that one that form then that is evidence for his wife saying right now that's why they contacted me and that's the i think we need to as a group work on yeah ok i heard stuff and even look at what you guys are talking about more and have more time to think on it and i want a letter from jennifer to the tent and saying that  well we didn't we didn't fix the mol i mean they think there was a problem in the house that was making them sick and there was not good and that's what i want someone to tell them that we don't know that one way or the other but we are letting everybody know whether i didn't say that there's something in the house making them sick so if it wasn't information that we were it you decision not to have it rented out the light put it in there because it was one of the facts that came out during my visit what they said they said we've been really second we've gone to the doctor and they speak to their health issues no doubt like that's my point yeah but she did where she did health issues other than that one comment about what they say right she's not saying oh you know you will should have been there for her report her their health issues well that was just the reason why she was there that's it so so now you can say this far as i do know there was nothing no evidence of something in the house to closure health issues i am not i cannot say that i'm not qualified to  take take everything into consideration and they put together a report for us and not report it comes back with a recommended speed limit for that section of the road and then based on that report this is like ford makes a decision whether or not as it says to amend it or about if it recommends amending it down to thirty five then they have to make a motion to a demand the speed limit on the road and we have to go through the process of amending this field which means that then we have t give people forty five days to file a response to our wanting to change it and it goes through a process it typically takes about sixty days and then if nobody has any opposition and everything goes through then the new speed limit is put into place  meeting that happened planning commission meeting next wednesday so when i'm giving you is a project status which starts basically from the project inception in two thousand and six and goes all the way through to the present and also incorporates some of the information from the draft that i've just given you does not include the information from the meeting on wednesday those minutes are and the planning commission had a meeting in may select forward members or at least one member came to that meeting and there seemed to be support for doing an update and that's through c c r to see through their technical assistance program so we did not have to pay anything for the update so they contacted they put it out for bid they got an engineer they selected our s g a couple members of the public were there so we had some discussion about things to include in the update including looking at fact that gas lines have been installed since the two thousand and seven study you know any changes to the  wo residences out there you know changes to the road what have you drainage planning commission also wanted them to take a look at any kind of alternate half to see if perhaps there could be some of the  conflicts identified in the in the two thousand and seven study avoided and as you'll see in the report that actually turned out to not be feasible so they scrapped that it would have routed which you adopted and there was a little bit of an update to that plan for that draft and that was done that was the one dated january twenty ninth which is the one that you have now so that's the most current draft that got so last wednesday we had a meeting a public meeting was very well attended there were about fourteen to sixteen members of the public that showed up for putting six members that's in addition to the six members of the planning commission who were there crowd myself and sharon sharon was there out of curiosity she was not representing town and basically it started off with the engineer getting an overview going through the sheets giving an overview of what the project is which isn't that much different from the two thousand and seven study however again it does have those fates to the features that are now present  at about that started at six thirty eight and right before seven o'clock is when the tresham answer session started it was a lengthy discussion lengthy question and answer session that lasted until eight o'clock  overall it was a positive response corresponds i felt from the public there were questions about drainage there were questions of you know concerns about trucks being able to enter and exit that at the huge a f d and at the village service station similar concerns that were raised in two thousand and seven the preference of the residents that were there was for concrete rather than asphalt sidewalk but it was very apparent that they want this done and they were not very happy with the fact that there has been no six year lapse between the original feasibility study and this update they worked it was explained that however that even with this feasibility study which is very engineering you'd have to go into right of way studies you might have to do even acquisition those kinds of things take time it's also a federal grant so you have to comply with the federal regulations even though it's through the state program so my takeaway from that was that there are some concerns about you know design considerations drainage moving utility pol intersections with driveways how that would impact the flow of the currents you know run off to the house or to the driveway those kinds of things but overall i did feel that there was strong support for the project so now the planning commission is going to talk at their next meeting next week about what they heard at that meeting and whether or not they're going question about whether or not the bullet point number three hundred tasks would be requesting that the project be included in the sisera p c transportation improvement plan to some question about whether that would actually be recommended also applying for the grant because the grant will include money to do the preliminary engineering to do the right of way study to do the right the easement or right of way acquisition it will the costs that are included in this plan  all estimates and as cory the engineer noted in here that does not include the cost of having to obtain the easements cars so that's a negotiation point between the select board and the individual landowner there would be i don't know that because the right of way they have to determine where the right of way actually is the right of way is not centered on center line fifteen or so so no one really knows you well you have to do some  way is for rides wide but based on development patterns it the basically the built environment down there has built two of it effectively make it a right of way so that sidewalk being higher than pavement kind of thing like trainers that way drainage well incorporating that sidewalk plan within the existing stormwater infrastructure that's there there is also a call to add a couple of catch basins and to relocate a couple of catch basins to the feasibility study they identify that yes they also identified moving at least one hydrant at least a couple utility poles but that's all over again going to depend on the final design so there was one person who had some concerns but i don't know that there were strong recommendations for that's that's kind of the problem with you know me trying to relate what the people are saying is that i can't tell you how concerned they are without something t be there is nothing that says that it wouldn't necessarily be included but there's also no guarantee that it would be included because there are certain criteria for it  brian r p c was not entirely certain about it about whether it would meet the criteria  request there would have been many more in fact two trees to mailboxes which would have to be relocated anyway to storm water infrastructure or more utility poles that would have to be moved cetera et cetera et cetera so this is nearly down five feet by foot concrete so no the hasn't been a change in the planning commission recommendation for an asphalt sidewalk yeah that's the conversation they're going to have a  week you know the how do i answer that there would be quite a bit more design work and there would be quite a bit more review that would have to go into that because the new structure that you're talking about basically creating a pedestrian bridge only broke this would be a logical impetus for doing that as a future extension as part of this feasibility study it was not part of the original scope nor was it part of the sco in two thousand and seven there was no that my takeaway and again i can't really speak for the people there and how much they really want this but my understanding from conversations was that they want this done they don't they're not concerned so much about the fact that it's before hundred thousand dollar projects i mean obviously they will be ending are obviously concerned the fact that there's been so much time lapse that it's added one hundred thousand dollars in cos so they would rather not see a broken up in the faces they wanted done in one shot be for and again keeping in mind that we have to provide a twenty five or twenty percent match a gap between total costs and grant funds will say again at least one hundred thousand but if you face it you know you wouldn't have that  so i would highly encourage you to read this study and look at the plans there may be another public meeting with the engineer that i would encourage you to  hasn't been scheduled yet but i would assume that once we get some comments back from be trans that would be a discussion point in the future with a new movement she will not be paying for science not that that's half of it in the road ordinance the proposal is that if there's a new subdivision that's on a private road because it would be part of the bunch from they came up missing or so the issue was one of their private road signs coming out of the highway budget because right now the town pays for everything and in the proposal for the road ordinance again the private road signs would be the responsibility of the homeowners association now there is a question about whether or not all replacement private road signs in to infinitum infinity would be the association with the town provide the first one and then after that or vice versa those kinds of questions there's also another question about if they're stolen who would be paying for them you know there are just some considerations that would have to be filled out in the new orleans that's correct and you know this is a road ordinance that's that i've been working on since two thousand and ten so it's something the r b i has been asking for it's something that i've been asking for input on i sent it to you folks i think in october it's been at the r p c they're reviewing it our local roads as has been requested to review it and it's a matter of we need to get it finalized and adopted so it has to go through those others those others it doesn't have to i just ask them to pry comment so that we can make it a better ordinance for you guys to a doctor and then when you get that from them i haven't put a deadline on them because i haven't heard anything from the slough board ok so that's all going forward we need to put all of cap yet in there regarding the science you're talking about come up with those yeah those are you said right there those are some considerations that you'll have to make decisions on there are other things in there that will need your decisions to for instance just a heads up to get on the road and says what this team and i write and i included a copy of where it is right now the last county i got from kerry in october i didn't put it into my packet so that you could start revealing that awesome thank you i i i appreciate a lot we did tonight any feedback you have any information you have always bring it to meetings is awesome so i greatly appreciate your time tonight you know it's kind of like how you know it's a little different from zero to one number different but she sits down to you know here's where after the budget you know i mean so if she doesn't wait for questions she comes in and just offers up the information to go get any questions kind of thing and so like you did tonight any time you can do that it's awesome it's me but there's always homework to be done like you said and yet do everything for us i understand that right right so i don't mind coming in every once in a while but i think that you know i i need feedback from you folks to give you something to really nice and you comments you know i appreciate your time is valuable too but so is mine so you know like i said i've been working on this road ordinance for two years and now we have a problem well we're going to have to always wait for a problem before we can push things along to get it done in more expedient manner i  moving as quickly as they can i don't know another way to speed them up i mean it's just it's the nature of our town government the way it's working right now i don't i don't know a better way it's here we are going to work on it it seems like some work's been done and we need to keep working on it so it everything else so if i give you something and i say you know i need the slot towards input would it help in what form you say when you give it to us you mean the e mail the meeting what well either one i mean some of these documents you know i'm not going to just come to a slot for many meeting and say here's a document that could be emailed to you for you know but i'm wondering if i do have something that i need your input on like the road organs like the sidewalks like the redistricting project those are large documents that require input that require some kind of participation would it be more helpful to you if i say i need this body and kind of put a deadline on things to get things moving time valuable but your time is completely spent on all of these projects and you are here for many many hours we can understand that and get to put your full attention into these projects we don't have to stomach these projects on our free time whenever we can it's quite an undertaking to do so you know you just have to be understanding that it takes a while these are very complex things and we're all doing our best to understand those complex things you know so i would i would urge your patience i really would and have a consultant present that you try as hard as you possibly can to attend at least those meetings because they're few and far between and those are the types of means werry those are the those are the areas where i think this like or should be participating the most because those are the areas where you're going to have to make decisions you know i don't expect you to come to every planet recently i don't expect you to spend every day or be meeting but i think that there are certain times when it's more beneficial to have everybody at the table at the same time having the same conversation so that we can make so we don't have these red flags so that everybody's comfortable with the project so you can answer ask the questions get the mansour right away yeah and i think in theory that's a that's a gre plan there are many other meetings that go on other than those meetings with a select board as you can well imagine that you're not even aware of sometimes that we have during the week so you have those meetings in the meetings you're speaking of and then these meetings it and then for all three of us to get to that specific meeting you're speaking of  it's a lot it's a lot to expect all three members to be there to digest and be there at all those meetings but yeah we agree we should be there be at them i don't i don't doubt that i try it won't it won't happen all the here thank you for your that because i don't think we've put together a priority for the paved roads as far as which section we're doing first my recollection is i did a quote for  industries to do for the bridge down here in river road but the store up through to where the pavement changes a pascual here you know it's just almost exactly one my own is that the section we're planning on doing this year is that what i should put together for th sure we need a decision a s a p on which section we're doing so that i can get the quotes together and so that nate knows he had mentioned i mentioned tonight that i thought it might be this section and he was saying there's one culvert on this section that the  have a replacement page here and she just wanted this look or to review the written form to make sure that that is the understanding that is what you want in the employee handbook and if it is just make a motion this is the sheet that's going to go into the employee handbook proposal from chuck's heating air conditioning is the heaters are identical to the ones that are currently there however the current heaters he was  were really undersized so this is a quote for the identical which opinion is there undersized then there is a quote from patterson fuels for what did talk to you about it did seem to make some sense but they really don't have that much