the agenda i would just like to add a few things to the old business line one is rowing brooke two is bear town pit and shutters goes into town hall renovation so maybe we can cover that all which is true those are my adjustments to anyone else of any adjustment zipping all right public comment period on items on to is there any public here for public comment come on up please state your name where you live by that stuff work on the post office culvert on park street it's maintained by the town and i was wondering if i could ask you to finish that work because that affects flooding on harvest run which i pay for maintenance of for instance regrouping and the like and feel has identified as a significant factor in the flooding of that area which you know not only affects us on jacob's hill but also harvest room and also you know the pile  below that if i remember correctly that makes it a difficult project yes there are a few of the phone lines are there that come out of the phone with us so it can't be sent any deeper i don't know if it was actually just going for up saudis or not because i just kind of took over as temporary boss at the toyman that project was being taken over i do role that there was supposed to be a realignment of that to put it  it lines up with her because harvest comes in look out thirty degree angle kind of i'm visualizing it correctly and the post office is here so that the whole purpose here and it goes like that are we trying to make it somehow  and i think in fact your taxes are going down because of our group and i think there may be some issues about tax fairness that could potentially be addressed by the select board because they affect more than just my life i went to  board of civil authority with a couple of key concerns about the valuation of my property for instance so right now it's listed as higher than what i paid for the last hour of it for the house last year problem last year in for jake until road that multiplier is thirty percent higher than average so it's one point three and by comparison other comparable reasonable roads that have more services town hundred one and they have better services and so i think that there is a bit of a tax structure problem that's interesting to my wife and i would be asking a select process for that there's nothing that we could do for the past that process yet you know you're probably right half the process ok one of the things i would ask slughorn for assistance with is siding with us on this because i don't feel that i think we've made a good case to them and i think that the issue of a neighborhood multiplier on a private road and this was the reason i'm asking you here is because the private road the specific pr discussed here and some of those costs were discussed here and and and the denial of the road take over was discussed here so those topics are relevant to the select board and also because they on it right so the appraiser says the bad are lots sell for more than other roads but in fact i think that's not truly evaluation of the land price itself so the neighborhood multipliers apply only to the land price not to the entire value of the structure in the way so the land price may have been higher on  when some of those lots sold at the peak of the market back in two thousand and eight and they also included things such as water not having to fill the well and septic which film it's my understanding th actually paid to do the septic on some of those lost so the price paid at the parent sees doesn't reflect the actual land price so the appraiser comparables in other areas of the town don't do with tax process and it also has to do someone with whom values the in this doesn't specifically for and it has relevance to my case before the board of civil authority but it isn't specific to my house and that said i have concerns that the tax structure was being compiled through mostly cost basis analysis through state tables which are supplied primarily by i believe i'm going to hold more shells in the swift which is sort of a national claim it has to do if you look at the manual about the specifics of how much it costs to build a porch and how much it costs to finish the basement and those things so that the tax structure here is is comprised of that type of valuation system since especially hurricane katrina or you know in recent years the price of doing things and building things in vermont in new england has gone up but i don't think that home values have tracked that same increase so the cost of finishing my basement in the hymn book is going to be high but the value of my house if i finish my basement isn't necessarily going to go up and so my concern is that for me personally is that every year it's going to come back that my house value is going up and up and up but we see the market trends that are showing to apply and the reason why i'm here and specifically i'm in my house is pace i'm listed at higher than what my market value was last year and that doesn't seem right and i'd rather not be here every year trying to make the point with the board of civil authorit not according to my last p c a meeting but that's interesting to hear you nobody again i don't see where that's a great point you make is it something that's that's made at town meeting is it something that committee has started is it something that can get signatures for is there something that you need to build a grassroots level you're an eloquent guy with really good thoughts and i would love my my taxes went up a massive amount i'm kind of shocked at it to you so as you know we're also citizens in this town not just like board members or in our taxes are hurting all of us so if there's something that you sense or feel and sounds like you got a good handle on it i would go after as in the three of us doing something about how that handbook is using that structure again i don't see that fitting into what we do on this like  discussion and i hope that i can answer something in the future about the call for i really don't feel i'm in the position to be answering on those other issues even though they sound very about right and i hope you understand that i'm not trying to say that it's all then in figuring out everything to do in their black box with numbers they have a thing called a common level of appraisal which is designed to say two hundred fifty thousand dollars house in the kingdom is worth the state has its own formulas and its own appraisal systems and we subscribe to a state computer program and so it's just that a matter of background information you can't do different than essex and i don't know how much your your board has in terms of influence and the i mean you must meet with legislators and the like and on certain gatherings to discuss i thought things that are implied under the legislation or less like tracking down of the library but this select board could advocate to this state or appropriately in the pound just to see that values aren't the taxable values or exceeding the any deflation or flat trends interchange and you're welcome here to do that anytime and so are your neighbors we are a small town and i always encourage someone with your skills and with your mindset there to it's a grassroots thing here and if you're counting board to get a lot of a lot of the things that i've not done i wouldn't hold your breath and so as much as you are you're a busy guy i know i know i know you do a lot to do anytime you want to do something in a more grassroots level i also really encourage that yes we thank you for the site plan to show the current proposed house like a pad in front of a touch garage which would have a specially apartment i don't have any numbers on the size of that but we can certainly put a scale to then try to decide if that would be sufficient for the fire department's purposes decide that you don't have enough  but on this page is if you look at the existing shared driveway you come up and then there's the turn onto this one it's really steep oh my god yeah mostly steep so we asked roy about that when he was here and he said well that doesn't actually show up because they've raised the driveway so we don't know in the races here dry foot and they built it but this is modified things here the shows you know you've got twelve percent you've got sixteen percent which is beyond anybody's measure and then he says on the sketch you know you know twelve percent sixteen percent of that doesn't carry it all the way down to the shared drive going and it just says will solve this you know without showing the profile i'm sympathetic to the problem or yes it's a woman walked it seemed to me because a good guy no access permit which is required that was required then no access permits been found no just those minutes they're attached here and i don't know what and so what does it mean when the slick word minute say widen the first twenty feet to the driveway on lot one to fourteen feet that could mean the road in some of the wording concerns me because of its existing shared driveway it should say existing approved share drive because it's hasn't been built this is one of those ambiguous bits yeah the approval process talks about the proposed driveway road in one paragraph and then goes on to say for road designs most peabody ridge third engineer or  surveyor and then doesn't go back to make a distinction and then goes on to progress later to talk about the driveway or road which is ok yeah and it would would have been nice if gunner could have shown to you existing shared driveway the contour and elevation and path that roy indicated or to demonstrate ability to meet local road policy and be seventy one standards available in time for inclusion into the select or packet for the media september second and really the only thing that we have gotten is the i'm going to call it a hand gra doesn't address and i don't know what the answer is poor guy he's got this place this apparently very steep created at the beginning now it may be that he can get permission from la to  retailer gotten gives us some information but now you need the information the next piece of information we need is and how do we best describe what you're saying from here to there because we did mention that t to him he was fully aware of that because we said t has to be built as per play and saw this well there's a nice curve there and i'm like no it has to be built to plan because someone's going to come back later and say it's not built right we need to do it to play and so is t a good this is new this is nothing more than you know we promised to do it this is just a straight line and it doesn't show the existing profile it doesn't show so you've gotten some of what you requested you've asked for more technical information which is come in this graph paper form here and answer some of the questions for after correct ok you know it just needs to so again and with two week meetings we heard that a lot but what you're saying here is neither of you have nothing from asia at this point to grant us access permanent that we're saying yes we were very clear but we this is basically intersection yeah complete the driveway to include the portion on mars two that's on lot to serving lot one and some additional danish information  down hill into a street where the existing culvert is and that runs downhill to it and ambiguity on the shared driveway is never checked down there or something so flows over the so we've learned to look at these things hard and not to let the gray areas i mean i feel sorry for him but those are two button and you feel those issues or drainage runoff british runoff with you know if there's a list not enough information i mean sure some certain folks in town maybe yeah i know he's going to do a good job but how do i treat this person different than the next person that comes you need to to a couple times since last meeting on haven't seen anything going on there it's been beautiful you know you don't you know you're going to take those very seriously but there's nothing wrong with them but if that's the problem someone else wrote us another letter i think we all saw that how do we know what those needles are for i mean or guess what they're for the testing was done to answer that person's concerns 're comfortable with making any changes on restricting access they came to me today restricting access to the back of the parking lot it's going to restrict access to the fire departments directing not such a difficult one for us i mean if we kick this around a lot of times we have concerned citizens living in the area that would like it and then we had some citizens to flee out of there you didn't want it the people who live near the area i tend to think you know the area best so if you listen to them you put up a gate if you listen to the people complain they said hey i want to access when we go late at a party that night i put the party right  compromise on doing something that's being requested by some citizens my thinking would be to do some some simple for by force and some chain and signage on that chain and see if that rectifies the problem and if it doesn't work or causes a problem you simply couldn't there with a bucket load of bullshit for before post news change or something else doesn't seem like that crazy of a move to try something without risking a lot of money and we're not risking and it seems to me just everybody's getting a little something and that move rather than doing nothing which we've done so far so expensive parts change i don't know maybe it's going to cost but yeah and the other thing is you got to give something some time and you get a way out of the everything that happens with it so they put it shane up yeah  so i think it's more i think it's a lot more than just a chain you're going to need rocks and stuff because that the distance across there is pretty substantial will drive across the grass then you're going to have nothing on worried about that but you're going to have to have some neat policing boulders every the gravel area on either side stones free and then stone stone belabors not for any you know and then have a chain also you have off fifteen or twenty foot span between there and you'd have to to pursue the case this time really the one that keeps coming back happened again tonight is and i'm not sure how we do it but you know maybe it is the checks and balances or the checklist like charlie referred to but i feel that there's more qualified people to be looking at complicated ways than a slight board yet i still think we need to keep control of access and i would love for any of us to come up with a solution on how we do that i'm not sure agree  and that's going to cost us money i'm recognizing that expertise changes from time to time and that plan to grow for example having read their decision tonight a certificate of compliance they spent a lot of time saying they had relied on rod fuller on hydrology and that strikes me true and people have different hearing expertise a different time depending on who was on what the order was on the other board so it's a and we're not i want to be clear that there are two lawsuits going on right now couldn't have happen to another board certainly let's say it's like war or all liable for our decisions so maybe those are just bad breaks in those two i don't know i mean is there a problem they cost us money decisions we make could also cost us money what i guess it really lacks then for me is expertise because i am willing to admit as a chair of this letter or did i not have the expertise to look at these complicated driveways with  basically zero than fifteen hundred bucks but is it seems like there could be a real expert when it comes to things and if the d r v is not that expert i hear you but we're not that expert either and what i'm afraid of is that and i'm worried about it from a liability point point of view of three guys different than the three of us down the road making some pretty complicated decisions with our already very complicated plate path how do we  all this is why my thought process was the dog couple weeks ago was once a license engineer puts a stamp on it he holds it so that's why i requested for engineering on that it's you know you're utilizing an expert utilized to let you so you wouldn't the three of us can say you know which is smart the experts said so we're right that's what you're looking we're relying on an engineering sample we're where we'll get peoples house that is another blast and the work stops so the so you could do what major projects always should have in m i mean from from from a liability standpoint i think it's a no brainer and i know it would cost us money as a town and i understand like a driver we're talking about tonight t is just to be clear we i guess it would be very clear where someone then goes from one to three it seems like at times in the let's say the way down the case he's been confused throws in the specifics as opposed to the general stuff applies to everything roadways all new or substantially reconstructed gravel roads will have at least twelve inches of base next paragraph all new or substantial substantially reconstructed any berm that prevents the proper sheeting of water must be removed that applies to everything roadway shall be graded so water does not remain on the surface and then they talk about the  regardless it is a requirement if you're going to get to and iraq has various stages and to get you'd have to be for the next as esther it's if iraq was effective october twenty three so anything that happens after that you're subject to these rules  you have to have proactive flood hazard regulations is human and adopt up to date local transportation codes and standards for working on the said wish and up to date local emergency operations plan develop which we have  up now and develop an adopt a local hazard mitigation  record or protection standards which i had here earlier or protected flood hazard areas from new approach went and participate in the fema community rating system to participate in a few community system  parabolic they have a one to two although maybe one to one and a half side slope however there is an out the slope board reserves the right to modify the standards for a particular project or repair or maintenance activities where because of unique physical circumstances or conditions like you don't have the right of way to make that pitch there is no possibility that the project or a pivot is could be completed in strict it doesn't have it i understand we reconstructed it but we just and i don't see a way around this we need to do this for substantially rebuilding the road we didn't substantially rebuild the road we've seen fully rebuilt public or that's a big difference it's all it's the years as to we just go to a lower standard and then take what we get you know get we get it it might not be worth it and then the only other thing i bring up is crowning we have a lot of roads that lack crown because they lack crown because we lack a base that we can't be basically can't use our creator anymore because he's on the molders and we can't bring that crown back to that road without putting more road base down so if they're really strict on our forty miles of dirt roads of that everything a crown you are going to need to put down a lot of material we can't just create a crown back there's not enough material on the road as we all know can not be ground back so and i don't know how this is round that day to day thing or is it part of the substantially rebuilt or more doing more of burning than we've ever done before the last few years but again we're signing up for our own just a lot of money and work that still need to be done i guess it's on driving it forward for that three percent but take our last event towns this is what gypsy holdings as i'm writing to let you know of an important change regarding state promised assistance after a major flood the intent is to encourage communities to take action to improve their resilience to future flood impacts and the state it is because on the state following irene the state modified its standard for managing the state's emergency relief and assistance fun losses communities that have taken the four basic steps will receive an additional twenty five percent twelve point five percent state contribution to cover the damage it will face and here's a ticket that's why they put the guardrails in there but i was their lawyer at the time because i was involved in the guardrail case when i was a g s office and that's when the gauge decision came down with confused everybody car rolled over led upside down upon the ground there was no guardrail along the pond they sued on the grounds the stick should have put up a guardrail the state is immune from suit where they belong and that ended my case and this imposes on the state on tom's a duty that otherwise would be that which is odd i don't know hazard it's if we don't sign it by act over it can you say one thing missed this deadline is it gone forever kind of thing that's unclear it's is the new standard if is affected for any disaster after october twenty three so something  for the next door or suffer the consequences if it were some of the consequences of hanging around my only concern is we come back to it was about fifteen grand or so this percentage change would take us out into our last the army as i just want to make sure we're not signing up for twenty five thousand dollars or thirty thousand dollars for repairs that the state's going to kind of force down our throats for getting a different percentage in case of maybe a disaster you can you know i don't know that answer unfortunately it may to crown some roads because they are paying me my driveway runs off to the side often enough and to therefore they are graded so water does not yeah right yeah it definitely is out there i don't know how many miles of it or i know how much we really have to repair you know it's hard and we have to study what would need to be done i guess i guess if we had some here we were working on a project up on pleasant valley road bank run material was needed you know and as we all know we had the property of bear town and you know we paid i think eight thousand dollars share creative clean it up with the da there and make it look better at least on the left side we're now dumping stuff on the right side there's still a steep area on the we've been up there lately a bit steeper we do still use a stumped up and that sort of thing smithers or painter with working on it and three of the shutters are totally failed three so it means for two sets bottom line is about eight hundred bucks for four shutters  i don't know if you guys are driven by the building lately but it has never shutters on it and it's getting repay especially to see the new addition just by asking around a little bit of some historical folks that i know definitely the time that this building was built historically it was not built with shutters this is not historically correct for a building that was not a shuttered building starts very puritan very low cost building built i don't know what other people's feelings are the body not enough it's just my personal visual preference it looks amazing without shutters from the front especially if you look at the repainted new edition and actually i think it was really  isha which is fine but then we also need to spend eight hundred more dollars of a really high budget project that we have here one thought i have is hold off on the eight hundred dollar don't put them up right now put the building back together with the paint job it is step back for the rest of the season and say do we all like it is this a look we're looking for and not spending a hundred dollars right now and maybe find the historical look that  i'm i'm i'm money weary on this building and i want to finish the project don't worry about what martin's going to bump into still out front there's a few guys you see to pick up there there's the what do you call that return that comes across with and so there's a bit more work up there that we're probably going to run into when marty comes back soon that tomorrow that started up but you don't denigrate get to walk away from you'll see where it's kind of scraped and sure we have a little bit of software issue up there as we've seen so long short of an is i'm hesitant to want to spend eight hundred dollars on shutters right now where i'd rather just spend getting the building done any thoughts i mean realistically shutters if we can store them somewhere where they will from ross engineering next tuesday morning to go bought the site and he thinks that the after that he'll be able to do his part so what i have that application complete will schedule a public hearing and last time we talked about this i mean you're my me again you thought there might be more things will have to do with the dumfries this no i don't i really don't think we'll have to do anything more i think we may have more paperwork possibly more zero zero zero nine zero nothing to get the dollar amount to put rosenberg mauger along the front of her house where we did the pleasant valley put down and i think would be interesting i this is something i'd like to look into in the future as we both know as we all know there are certain areas especially water conservation areas especially as being a watershed to the  all changing county it's amazing how much so we use without any question on us being a source of great amount of water for a lot of people in the lake so i don't think this is the time to how much we buy for salt but it is an interesting so as we know makes us all be able to drive faster and more easily during the winter on paved roads but it definitely has an environmental consequence that we as a town do  on the road you know they don't they want people to be happy which i totally understand it would have to be some sort of we would look at this or be some r c correction policy saying you know you can't do this you can do this amount so i totally understand why the growth look the way they do but we've done down the so year i mean that's about education supposed so so what do we need to do for the so we to prevent this contract spoken eight to five hundred times we're our state highway are small changes but i couldn't see anything significant he said six nine or something oh no you don't you shouldn't have because i'm pretty sure i gave you i pulled out ok yeah if you if you that we were looking at you know i don't want to change you know i know it's interesting typo and i'll be too late to switch to concretely if it's that there there is a town share portion of sixty six thousand nine hundred ninety five dollars so basically the feds are doing seventy five percent of the cost of the property now it is been made clear to the homeowners there from the get go on this project question i guess is does to two hundred nine hundred eighty two hundred thousand dollars come into our control so that we can then deduct those services out of that yes i would say that with the high degree of confidence b yet it's interesting i don't know how they have a find each other if there was a requirement that they needed to find someone who wanted to otherwise you did ministry of things beyond reviewing the correspondence so i would take out the phrase and dispensed with this because it might be people think we've made motions or something you don't think we do morning handed these to me in short you guys all over e mail earlier that he was interested in available on thursday august for women to attend the town for me to see if anyone wants to relieve part of that broken down for four or five segments and one of the very latest to insurance and she can go first she said she is u