happens from here but it the present invention that we're talking about it is a three layer house raft it is three layers of construction that has an outer drainage pla it has a barrier layer and it has a very specific low density polyethylene fall that's made by a process that gives it a superior insulating properties and allows it to be made very thin so the the claims t person of skill reading maynard quote would be directed to use the fifteen layer example actually used in practice with the clothing shown in figures one of the two rather than the screen example of the two layer construct now we've said in among other things in re applied materials a reference must be considered for everything that it teaches not simply the described invention or preferred in body image how do you refer to respond to that statement of isn't and what evidence supports your proposition that a person of skill would limit their reading a maynard to the preferred and bo i don't want to say that we're limiting it to the preferred environment does is it limited to a fifteen layer structure no i don't think that it that it is but one of ordinary skill in the art reading this reference would not what your evidence in the record that tells me that well let's go to page three of the of the reference the made reference where talks about buoyancy and thermal insulating properties can be readily very simply by varying the numbers of layers of sheet material included in any just giving me attorney are i'm reading that the rep the evidence is in the references themselves and in this example there is no teaching of forming any article w protective layer which seemed to indicate that the essence of maynard is a two layer of material i do you overcome that i think that you're correct that the essence of that is using a two layer structure and it's using  layer structure having a foam layer and a protective backing layer and when you when you utilize this teaching to form an insulating material it teaches using multiple layers doesn't have to be fifteen but it teaches using multiple layers so that you can adjust the insulating properties to where you where you want to get it and i believe that the the there is simply no teaching in here whatsoever of forming anything out of the single sheet it talks about how to make the sheet of the invention and the sheet has either one protective layer or two protective layers on either side of it and then it talks about how you use that to form some sort of structure and in principle it talks about making clothing but it's certainly not limited to clothing it talks about a number of other applications and in these applications you're going to be using a multilevel structure because that's what it teache office position is to ignore those expressed teachings in that reference but that's not the that's not the end of arguments there that's just in the primary reference they also are going the teachings of the secondary and third references as well in the rejection they rely on this one later to try to form a house route no teaching of ever forming any any any structure with only using the single sheet of the ma reference but regardless they go to a secondary reference and  blankets you're going to use the thickness of up to five millimeters which is about one hundred ninety six mills which is outside of the applicants range you again have to ignore the expressed teachings of that reference to create this combination but transplants are certainly no in house wraps and the two references that show that the shepherd reference i believe it is and the loop plus two plus two doesn't equal three so in every combination that they're putting here the patent office position is ignoring the express teachings and of these references in trying to reconstruct the present claim invention the only thing guiding them are the applicants cl would not combine this in a way to come up with the claimed invention and in fact when you look at the time reference as well it also teaches it teaches a panel structure not a house right now i asked about the difference between a pale insulation and a house wrap is one is a flexible structure that wrapped around other ones are sheets of blocks of of insulation but when you look at time as well in that reference when you look at this reference as a whole it teaches that in the insulation followed by a drainage line the tie there was not additional argument about tied to said that there is a combination of additional reference and talked about the thickness and didn't make this sort of non analogous our argument  is a simple invention and that each of the claimed layers is caught by the prior art independent claims require a reinforcing grid for drainage in very or film and a phone and additionally claim the total thickness teaches you know at least at least two layers phone and actually the evidence pointed to to say that maynard teaches a fifteen layer actually shows on for sixty t what my point pointed to says that you can vary the number of layers so if it's not a teaching that the preferred is fifteen and teaching is that you can use as many layers as is necessary age of the record are you referring for sixty two and the first being sort of the heart of the invention i think is to draw the points you before was just the phone layer with the film so you're starting with a smaller number of layers so basically built the references teaching you know somewhere between two and fifteen but that you can easily change them for at least two right then the next reference the shepherd reference also uses three layers of a house wrap the shepherd reference as a drainage layer a film lair and a foam layer and is being used just simply to teach that you would add a grid layer and the same with the ottoman entire references the amen you just for the dependent claim that you would use  each sheet material as insulation and a backing layer and in order to create that the the priority persistently says you can vary the number of sheets you have in each article and so what you're what you're talking about if we agree that there are at least two of the sheets then you have a minimum a four layer structure which is far different then and we haven't even added the we haven't even added the drainage plane it's far