good evening and welcome to this january fifth meeting of the regions like board we're also joined by our water sewer commission and there's almost all of them tonight before we start just want to take a moment and recognize the passing of keep parent over the holiday pete was a long time resident of richmond and actually a former chairman of this so i think that i speak for the board in saying our thoughts are with him and his family reaps and going all the way up to the the mobile home park many of these tables are the same as me just that we discussed on december first also so each each of the  forth none of the future connections or future expansion are in the revenues because in order to try to make sure that we estimate their correct revenue based on what joins us directly into it's a little better laid out in the report of explains what a lot of these things mean but if you jump ahead to fill the next page we go right to the construction  options and when when you add those together the waterline extensions are we are using a two thousand fifteen numbers in our numbers so if you want to if you look at this go to the two thousand and fifteen which is your second column over and got a water cost to do all three phases a little less than one point five million and a sewer extension which in this in project out the cost based on the number of things and they that allows us to better anticipate what the cost will be moving out is a small increase between in the future so it's kind of a tradeoff between there is there there's a number of issues with each individual place that could increase or decrease the cost and that it's hard dissipate with those costs or without actually going to each each individual location to to determine what the pump size would be and so so forth the bait again major difference between the two is the individual user would have a handle or out of their ability to install the whatever they needed to get to the sewer so again having talked about this before  so that based on that metered information that's what these estimates are based on that being said the accident rate is the same so that's based on our current policy there is no we don't have a goes down we add those two together it's only three hundred eighteen thousand compared to the three hundred eighty eight thousand in the pit before again that gets you roughly to zero at the bottom so that gives you when you go down to where it cases the numbers of the top of the marker who because we put in more place and so forth table d three the full project in two thousand and fifteen dollars of two million five thousand gives you a estimate of water capital contribution of zero ok so that two hundred eighty eight with the three hundred that start treating it with the three eighteen is no zero and then when you go to the bottom there is about two hundred million dollars in savings for everyone on the system based on these numbers users which includes everybody that's working up and again these are numbers that are  this is how we've been charged to put it together in all of these cases for the sura reiterate and as for the discussion earlier there are additional costs for everything including the mobile home park to make is i i tried to say to look ahead and see if all this was built and we ended up getting hooked up fees for only sixty percent of the waste outflow for  if only sixty percent booked up basically we only had sixty percent of the float projected course we've already projected the floor being fairly conservative but that being said we would still have a twenty one if forty percent didn't hook do is show that you could read you could reduce all of these estimates down and still come out at least even if not a little bit fatter just for this is this is for the entire this is for either twenty or it's basically for the first twenty years ok and this it would no after that depending on what other maintenance of maintenance cost might go up or so forth you know there's there would be an even height that you would have that won't get any more  based on the programs that right now without any additional work that we think are available to you to utilize now there are ways there are other programs that might be available with a little extra work already can talk about that ok so back to your point this is the monastery worst case it's conservative and it addresses the concern at the beginning don't raise rates to pay for some of this house for that and then it's more revenue is generated later on you have the same conversation we had a half an hour forty five minutes ago if you have access revenue you have choices about it's going to be you know twenty six sorry twenty two thousand versus almost what that would read so this is the most of the mobile home park definitely i'm sorry i would say that back up face three represents best case scenarios and then you're probably going to end up somewhere in the middle so a potential could end up somewhere in the middle ok i will go to the last four and yeah maybe we can talk you have to talk a little bit off the cuff here about the financing portion although again we've assumed the four percent or thirty of the two percent for twenty we've also been in discussions with along with representatives of the mobile home park in rural development funding growth of element funding could be very good for the for the system of the poor since we already have a income survey to go for very good for funding which is in here up to seventy five percent grant we would need to do a couple of additional things but  disadvantage if it's a status disadvantage if it's r d it's poverty but based on the information that we have there is to do so there is ability to be at least eligible for for  definitely there's definitely hoops just like we've we've been through on other projects here but sometimes for many times those hoops are worth going through so questions from the commission presentation but i mean i think this as an attractive one we we need to be careful though a thinking through very carefully not just costs and benefits but also cash flow and and not just for the with the reservoir project on we showed a number of different scenarios as to how that money could play out when for you to make that decision there are a lot of places that that utilize r every one would have to put up quite wrong their existing system whether it's a four inch strategy of life or three of the two which force me roughly the same cost it's going to be the water that labor it's the difference is the well the seven to fourteen would dependent and what we're saying is the cost for everyone to look up is going to be the same whether you put us for eat or you individually say you want a piece out there you're still going to have to run no matter what too is as development moves forward you could put another whole nother you know you'll have to hook up to that line with already without that you could run in the water from a different lot as you develop another lot you could run another pump of there might be one you know one or two that wouldn't do it but it looks as though not know exactly what the clothes and everything are in trades but that would be adequate without having to upgrade to three o will play out this is all for estimation purposes but i think that it's going to connect to a business decision on the part of the mobile home parks owner who is having to make substantial investments in the treatment on site  if they went to water and so they would not have the cost for redeveloping the rebuild what they have now that would all go away so those costs are going to be if not already in the l to add on that i think it's a great point to that we need to keep that in mind as we said this is a starting point but it's something that should be on the forefront of ensuring that it's not going to be on the backs of the mobile home park users so i think it's a really good point that one of the other points that has been made over and over again is this is very conservative and we're not talking about any new development or users and i think that that also will have played a big role and make a difference down the line as in here which is pretty aggressive through february six in the weather and i don't know when you need to make a decision as to you probably can make a decision as to what the amount is and we can discuss how that's going to be funded but without this riddle for the current cost and it is a fair assumption that increasing the survey territory to include a mobile home park will not raise the average income of the  rural development using that information from what we would qualify for given the current income survey which would be sort of a new conservative estimate knowing that it was only i'm saying it's not it is not a constraint i don't think i don't think we have to wait to do the income survey in order to recalculate the cost the question to my mind is whether we whether we're i don't i don't completely understand the steps we have to go through to actually get that financing it's not just anybody who appl with with the writing compressed file right i mean there are other correct things that we need to do mean forty five you can do some seventy five in various degrees of conservatism but why don't we start i think you're saying when you start the ball rolling on that other stuff you could run those numbers which is fine we're about growth we did four but this survey anyway because we're standard rates we've heard several times that these raids won't work for the mobile so a committee to represent the water sewer commission include manager with some legal advice to negotiate with them to the ideal is to move as quickly as possible both on this and the income studies of several moving pieces to move forward as quickly as possible if i miss anything can we say that our intent would be  to conclude this negotiations in time to allow a vote to be taken on bond at tel meeting but if that is not possible that doesn't preclude taking a vote on a bond at a later as presented in this meetings materials  to the amount of two million is what we but that's the amount of the total project going to focus is so that where is the issue or reasonably expect the for the part of the project consisting in signing construction construction cost debt obligations amount not to exceed two million five hundred thousand dollars will be issued in a certain of the proceeds of such that obligations will be used to reimburse the reimbursement expenditures that  an option that we can look at i'm not sure we should go that way at least not with i'm not sure why that one i think the easiest thing right now is to the summary i put together for the slab or in the down ma things the second issue that we hear about tonight we've discussed that several times in the community t v program and almost everything else you see in my cymru discussed in the community program that again it's only every four to six weeks story or i just want to thank him i mean for coming up with some other ideas and i understand from a horse farm more doesn't want you to put it on there so let's say it's a good idea and facebook i understand you need someone to keep up with that gets you get flooded with so much stuff most of it is frankly useless stuff that somebody be spending their whole day or ship is that's all they would be doing reviewing as i've seen gag right now we're into about forty hours over time for two of my guys that basically have done nothing but follow up on the stabbing and it's under twenty's that the file great now is that  that one off the over there right now writing two more search warrants for tonight they get to the judge tonight so we can serve them tomorrow we've already serve another search warrant today what you saw for us where we were arrested the one  twenty something year old has already got a conviction for attempted murder or ended up this is blown so big now that we're ending up charging him at least four additional people in this on that a little bit more and i think the public maybe not like or understands how much effort goes into preparing a case for anything other than there's tracked you told it's only the influence of drugs and or of color combination of drug and alcohol the average right now is five to six hours it's more than one of my people five to six hours of processing because we don't have a machine to test them for under the influence of drugs we have to take them in the custody we have to take them to the emergency room and if they don't consent to a blood test we have to get a war to get blood so the average time right now where do you i draw what we've gotten quite a few in this town this last twelve months is five and six hours between the paperwork in the process that's five six hours t patrol officer is doing administrative work and this has been one of my complaints of legislators for years you keep saying we're doing this to make your life easier i used to be able to do a drunk when i came i'd been plus years ago and now those kind of one hundred with just your side of the one officer initially that approached him only had his side the second officer because that it shift change approaching her  military weapon in this radio it's basically fired mine i know it's never been used other than we did take it out last year to see the stuff fired i can't tell you if it's  be certified by the military and then i have to get a password and the passwords change every ninety days so i have then that website looking for anything for over a year probably here and i have no need for anything the body armor that we get it's something that we needed to add you know luckily i have not been shot i've been shot at several times in my career that it's a piece of military equipment i think this is the lowest rung on the ladder is a semi automatic fire if you picture literally a fifty caliber machine and i'm just going to point out the fifty  to replace one video camera the vehicle will be about twenty twenty eight thousand dollars for the cameras sixty five hundred those are cash purchases current budget the fire department going to continue to replace their breathing apparatus three or three units every year three thousand dollars each the exterior store window was an expense on top of that although not terribly complicated not one major part of the expense so there are two ways to go which is f where we stand for now on the fifth draft good i'll give you a quick rundown spending is up  overall spending is up oh it's a little difficult to explain not not that difficult but we kind of set off the tax rate when we took  ok and we do have one outstanding i know which we can clarify and that's the fire department water sewer budget ok now candle chamberlain earlier this evening provided water commission with an outline of what he wanted to do which taylor you'll be pleased to know that you and him were on the same page he wanted to take three thousand dollars out of the ministration water sewer and down to the i'm not looking i am looking for so icy water sewer what line should i be looking ten seven to death three three we'll have another three thousand to that sort of a sixteen thousand and seventy dollars yes ok is there any objection to that amendment ok so that does certainly more than that right but in looking at the difference between those two years is twenty fifteen does that include the conservation fund in the twenty fifteen budgeters are we really looking at apples to apples it does not for the conservation reserve what you're looking at is overall spending so if you have the conservation reserve fund back in you'll have one cent which i think is somewhere around one point three percent i mean yes so much so the overall if that was approved it would be does not include contributions well it's apples to apples eyes and you're looking at you spent three hundred twenty thousand three million two hundred twenty thousand last year and you're proposing to spend three point total minutes significant go i understand that has to but i was going to be clear on that is so so to to provide the same services in general it's not a two point three percent increase it's a it's a three point six percent increase right well right i think that needs to be clarified if it's very clear what i did i guess it to me it's a voting question but it is translated i'm not i that said i you know i don't want to anyway detract from the from the hard work that went into this and i and i support that i mean i think it's been very difficult to keep the increases at the low level that we have for the last few years i think i guess my thing with that is that the vote is to put its center on the increase the tax rate not to spend forty four thousand dollars so our spending is not going to go up forty four thousand dollars next year if we if the vote passes the tax rate will go up one cent but in this budget will increase two point three one it will increase two point three one or three if the conservation commission passes and you add a cent to the tax rate we're not increasing the budget by forty four thousand rank raising spending that year or simply adding some to the tax rate and dropping that its own merits the the budget for ten activities the question the reason why people come tell me and believe is to scrutinise i'll tell him spending his money and they should so i'm with you if i look at ten seven ninety two ninety two point right there so it is there something we need to do t all the education they want but i think to sit here and say this isn't accurate or comparing last year to this year is very clearly comparing last year which you couldn't predict because you want the conservation fund to be in there because you want it to pass doesn't mean you need to put it in  he's saying that to put it maybe even to put a star next to it and so and say and put a no you know conservation fund not included this year what it was then last year for the boats you know just to highlight that it's in there the bottom to the bottom make an end no and say that the total budget three to ninety two or two would go up a bit by  fourteen had the conservation fund and it is not and you know the twenty this to get the two point three one percent does not include include conservation fund which was included in the  questions about concerns about the budget ok for their motion to approve the school year twenty sixteen general fund and highway budgets as presented and amended   was discovered during the renovations of the one of the bender buildings that housed the restaurant that used to be the bridge street cafe that the brick wall is not properly supported and is in danger of pulling away from the wood frame so to put it shortly there's nothing that says that a failure is imminent but from the engineer i spoke to who was hired by the owner to take a look at it said that any kind of seismic event could trigger a collapse so it was my opinion that i needed to close the sidewalk engineer agreed with me although you know he didn't provide me a written report he provided in a report which i have not seen the sidewalks going to remain it's not necessarily a bad thing because renovations are going to continue the owner is at some point this winter going to remove that brick work that's going to perhaps radically change the way the building looks  brick is very expensive to replace the owner's not inclined to replace it with brick although i have no idea what his intentions are i haven't spoken to him there was some thought that perhaps  scene so i don't really can't really make a case for that but the that was one of the thoughts it was bounced around last week that may come for you later on it may not we have no design standards for that septic update of the subject has been repaired here i don't know if i mentioned this one summer fifteen to be excavated they did find the missing laterals that were not connected there since been connected so the subject  question is functioning health issues that remain there are some outstanding private issues relating with the installation that septic can probably and numerous sceptics but by the strangers to the fourteen fourteen souvenir hunters yeah