of a different standard than they were judged on in the case would be to send the child to prison my argument is that there was not enough information for the court to make that determination and they had to find or even standing alone look at what the trial court said about his testimony i think there isn't enough there are that the court the court made a rather summary statement here were you  reporter who was the child's uncle had even even had knowledge of what went on you know i would say that a lot of parents don't discuss difficulties with their children with remember looking at family backgrounds and histories and people would show up at my thought would be you're prepared now to do all this good stuff were you big why should the other guy question seems to  proper alternative or it seemed to me to be more of a situation where too little too late i'm not going to give you the opportunity to help it wasn't so much about you're not an alternative i think yes i think pat's right and she did i mean although the court didn't say you know where were you i think that the courts whole feeling was that the court was out of options but as his record so clearly shows there seems to me that something should be done in the interim before because the crime itself while certainly not anything to be a the trial court but that is one of seven factors statutory factors it is not i know it you know that each act doesn't have to be given equal weight i'm not suggesting that that there were other factors which could have been considered balance that off in the sense that you're going by your program record that there were no services offered this child we don't know am i yes i think it was because there is well this talk about if it goes to the seven let me put it this way  courts determination that there was no alternative but to send the child that her justice and all of a everything that went on and i you know a correctly identified him and that's very similar to sort of the defense that respondent relied on in this case and so there's no attempt to deny that make wire was either by the way harmed or that throwing a chair with these other confined less confined less restrictive alternatives to d j were in fact unavailable for this responded but there any evidence introduced in his original sentencing hearing of any alternatives to d o j providers identified in the probation department social investigation his social history investigation report the community providers included those that were involved in providing substance abuse treatment and counseling services  residential treatment o social history report reflected the entire criminal history which was lengthy of his father if you have any idea why that was included why because they're relevant to this child this fathers history well i think i'm not for the probation department which prepares the report however if the to trial if the the respondent wanted to jack to the child first consideration of information that the responding would take the position is about the father scribbled on history and did not use that an aggravation as a reason for sending this child to prison but did address that in in the spirit of humane concern truck or is forbid it and do not for a to address the minor for example who has appeared to this with a long history of criminality for example and try to dissuade them exhort them from following in their in their parents footsteps for example that is something that should be permissible under the juvenile court behavior and also things like disrespect disruption insubordination mean that it is not conducive for this minor to participate in something for example a counseling where they will have an adult person who is going to try seventeen year old boys in high school have done math i don't have a for me the entire report on this in terms of what specifically the minor had done i believe it was more than just simply talking in class that it had escalated to more serious things that we for example weren't in school or out of a school suspension but that's my recollection i'm not sure exactly what he was  with no weapons at all well the the chairs are the trial for you this this type of behavior in a school setting is being a very serious situation and in very interesting mitigation in the record for example the minor accepted hits a teacher conscious a teacher in the face anything like that he threw a chair in the general direction of the school and was involved with the ball he wasn't mean for the team but the teacher got it here there's no question about that but the state does agree that it's far as violent contradicted and motion to reconsider i think that the trial court or of the prosecutor what was the most well if there is an allegation or not an allegation and it's claiming why the push to reconsider was