cries but there are the rigidity of the option in the perception that came down over the years of this was the way it was going sort of belied all the comments and potentials and degrees of freedoms in options that we were talking about four years ago right and i think we started to talk about some of those at the committee meeting what was in february or whatever it is there's a lot of potential ways we can handle that and that's sort of we went on vacation that's what we are s was determined were a close to half a million yards and somewhere between twenty and forty years that somebody seems like an awfully y really split rate but it anyhow yeah yeah one hundred ninety thousand is what the engineering study i think in committee i don't know if it still exists or not yeah we came through there that was really only one of many possible things that was not even our first choice necessarily but as we talked with the then  board and as we then talked with legal their legal council they thought that was the option that they wanted to go for it was actually purchased and we said fine at the time also the ownership was somewhat different in that we had  and we forget there's nothing and and so the reason mary was in it because we then had passage across her land and to sign the option to purchase obviously unless you're dropping by helicopter or came in through so that being said is this is this still something that you are still interested in pursuing having them having a field of this size or well it's not the pay we actually for the the gravel committee listed several options in addition to purchase and one of them was a lease with a what rights to gravel that there was silent on they are exactly how it would be but at the time i would never own it we would lease it for x number of years and actually the formulation really came from the committee but if it you had an obit the idea was you know maybe we could work out something where for one year the town would put in the road and get the gravel and sand for nothing and then from then on we have a lease and they would purchase it for so many years and then we expanded on that but this was purely marked off our head when we met with committee is that well maybe we'd never have a pit maybe we would take those berms down and not go for forty years or whatever it is maybe go for a ten year leasing and buying lead and then end up with a with a piece of land that something could be done with a second plan b and our mind has always been perhaps this could become something for affordable housing not low cost housing but affordable housing oregon fictionally as the town is thinking of a village center here the school's proximity there and that it would be affordable housing and probably worthwhile for a developer to do that because of the development bonuses you get for affordable housing and into that in real estate person on the something has to be that has to be filled and take care of the nice that then we exported at the time and that was part of the reason for the town wanting to purchase a third least the events like ford was at that then could become a park and it then becomes a corridor for for the conservation area because it's adjacent to it and casey did you know and so then and that sort of fit a little bit into our concept of the land because when affordable housing thing because it's almost walking distance to the school you know and were things like this if it would be that would we would then envision probably a lease of five years ten years it would go beyond years that per yard cost to the town we discussed that one too but they got no and there was another one that we threw around that kind of puts the onus on you guys to develop your land to as you wish to do the for about housing but then kind of raise money out of it by selling excrete i look forward to as passive a role that's we could do i think the thing we ran into again with the committee is in a passive role the really that the forty yard picture kind of worked you know four hundred eighty thousand cubic yards and putting in a row cost wise my work and even that was questionable cost if it's something to smooth out land and take out one hundred thousand cubic yards of that then becomes just probably looks almost right from the get go not cost effective because you know towns building know life is a buddhist legend and you know we're not getting back to where the time i want to put to start with you mary we walked her through all these things you know and that's why they probably went for the big huge hole they said let's buy happy and well we didn't talk about the hole because the hole but the hole was but that's my question re you under the impression that if you do realize that you realize what half a million yards of material would look like or what a hold of that size would look like well it is it is going to obviously i think that was all turf down the road to being put back into the original form and i guess we were looking at marci's place back down the road as a that's what looks more like four weeks not two weeks and then they keep all those yardages there throughout the year going to get it done so there's a thousand or more truck trips in and out of there all the time so it's a very busy busy place and i think when i first heard about the pitch it kind of sounded like a two week do of the crushing and everybody goes away and it really becomes a very busy busy people we know that that's would be where it was used and that was why one of the arguments by people who didn't want there to start with particularly marcy struck this is down there goes part by pleasant valley and to a certain extent yes the trucks will be going but yes the trucks are going to pleasant valley road and that's a busy road out in front of us to this so this is about forty feet closer to our house that house but it will determine how much they want to put him and great you know around and whether they want he want to use two acres and then when they extract everything that they can then they move to the next two acres that was my understanding and that was  point where we have an option but the voters voted to extend right or doctor to maintain the option to keep talking about  right so let i don't see that we're in if we're talking about a different situation and possibly a different a different selling price are we in that same options still you know what i mean  also paying the property taxes right in the exchange right we've put quite a bit of money into engineering then and if this option were to go you you get all of that right right right right right you got water of quite a bit of money of town money went into that so you're saying are we going to extinguish the action or if you go do we want to start over again is either no different or should you go back to the drawing board and maybe think about how you want to finally develop this land or what was what it's to look like you know i think basically we would like to either if the town is still interested in doing something for this crap we would like to consider it and we would like to keep it going  town would be still interested in exercising the option at some point when you decide you want to do then we would be interested in keeping broken if the town says we're never going to buy this and basically you develop a you come to us with a plan and sell it and i think it's best for us to just extinguish it out can be done because you know basically it's been going on for quite a while where you have four here we do have several pieces of land tied up sure on this one basically you have two pieces of land proxy for ninety thousand cubic yards of public material you know regardless of the amount down the road yeah i mean but that to make this large thirty year large pit that's where the auction was for it wasn't for at least seeing or one hundred thousand to different races or whatever it was just this one of those were all talked about before and what we came down with was what you see and you're actually right ok legal particular option is what you see only so so what we need to establish here then it's are you still interested and the last meeting you seemed less interested in the massive pit then there's no other way to put it for a name doesn't give it guards if you're not interested in that and you are interested in other lease ideas that's great but that's not what so you guys need to tell us not the town tell you whether or not you still want the large four hundred ninety thousand cubic yard pit know what let me just say something here the idea was to sell you the land and you did all of this engineering to find out how much gravel there right what you do with that land after you buy it is come up completely up to the town break and they don't have to put rather see it but yes given the options we have i guess that's you know getting out of there other ways we'd like to see it well you talked about affordable housing you talked about maybe not as much yardage here you know it's are well those  you know all that i do i'm not so no that is not a stopper for me yes we would sell to the town if the town says you know we want to do the whole thirty years and that's not a way we're going to  think i'm saying if the town would make its decision to buy it we would still be willing to go by the option yes you're saying is the price exactly the same i don't know we made that in conjunction with somebody and i'm not really very a lot of conjecture it wasn't hard numbers hand i am i couldn't i've just from the little bit i saw it really didn't make sense very quickly for the amount of gravel you get out of there to do any work in the really looked at here and you know what the end result is going to be a little more thought put into that i don't know i said from the get go that you have to know what the end product is to be it's going to be you know if the town very interested in finding gravel we are in need of corral the town needs to figure out exactly what they need for gravel which we're working on and a capital plan the town needs to look around the rest of the town to see if there's any other gravel to give everybody a fair shot  think that you know we have not done that yet so we need to reach out to the right what we're doing that and we're going to reach out to other voters to see what other gravels out there and then of course we need to shop out gravel to see what we can get hauled in for comparable these things and then when we came to your auction it became very clear that the plan wasn't finished especially in case of we didn't know how much travel was there it's only conjecture it needs you know probably twenty thousand dollars for the boarding done so there's many many more steps to go really the main reason i was important you guys came in is because i'm i was concerned that you didn't like the original engineering that was done because and i took that away from our other meeting kind of because we got into  idea of smoothing out the land and that sort of thing but to hear you say tonight that you know you know if we sell land it becomes a forty year thirty or pick that's the town's decision go ahead i think that's offered us the clarity we're looking for tonight well would sit down with the scientific report i read it absolutely nothing can i say i'm satisfied with what they told me and said and basically that it would be restored in terms close to the original if you could which does not sound like the grand canyon or some big swamp  there it sounds like it's going to be tried to put it yes i'd be willing to do that is that is that the only option we're trying to be yeah i guess we're trying to we're coming off slow sloppy about this we're trying to come off liberal in lost heart for for a long time the thing with marcy was emblematic of the kind of things that came back to us now that it seems like oh maybe people have rethought this and maybe they need it ok let's give it another go if it's going to start all over again yeah  overloaded that let's make sure you were clear so it's not confusing i mean maybe just summarize a little bit here the option is still open because you guys are still comfortable with offering that option that you know about and the to get just to get to the fundamentals here you know what is the thing i don't want to look like in the end but i think what's clear from these guys is they don't want to be a part of the planning of if you've got enough for you and you don't you care what happens to it of course care what mean the answer is no you know because they said it would take something that big to make a commercial pit viable and that's not one that i don't want so there is a limit to what i know i don't but what i've seen and what i was told about these engineering we could live with that the leasing sounded good but if it was i think you would still need to know stock on this we didn't even know the final number of yard down we no longer have any long term bond payments we paid those off but we had some labor we filled one position has been vacant for two years as you may know we built a couple this only last year and we didn't want to hire a breeder we engineer in the middle of that so we ended up doing is just using a local engineer all larry bird to do the permitting in doing all that work and then after they're done now we have a lot of small things like storm water and other permits and so we're  and we're advertising for actually were off to somewhere waiting for the answer to come back to us so our labor costs went up a little bit and we're want to hire somebody half time to see if we can go out and get more organic material from the restaurants and cafeterias into our company's facilities were up and running and so we're trying to get a little bit more a lot more material over time and we think there's over you know fifteen twenty thousand tonnes that we should be able to  first is to convince people to do something different that they've never done before no different than we were with recycling twenty years ago we just got to convince him and given the do get in there are revenues are solid waste management fee it's a tax and just concept about a third of our revenues come from a tax on trash about third of it comes from salem materials like scrap metal recycling which is extremely robust and a third of it just comes from tipping fees that we charge people if you're going to give us your bile salts we're going to process and we're going to charge you if you come to our drop off and drop off a bag of trash we're going to charge you in so it's roughly a third there we're thinking the revenues are going to go up this year on my in the floods may have occurred in spring we did see a lot of that material to did summer or august last year you know and when a friend we go back and cleaned up they came so that all shows up in our in our revenue because it's it's trash i mean with it whether it be soaked very clean material typically what happens when you first start a brand new material the markets are okra picky and you kind of just going to get to know me they're going to get to know you and he builds tend to have a want to chance still left you know as well as that with pellet bags and have a lot of his permits now is in the midst of it because financing and we encourage down to the point i've given him a couple green ten fifteen thousand dollars to look at our business plan and feasibility in a permit feasibility and he's taken this up on it but he's doing it with his private money not any of our money so i think the we're going to that's the last front year we've really started handling all the curbside stuff that you guys all handle for recycling and now we're starting to work again e when once these all get up and going they're cheaper we're paying haulers ten dollars a truck for recycling right now in our compost you know it's just starting to get some issues i mean not operational issues yield issues we're making where it longer to make a back and so of actually will catch up to make twice as fast but we're also we were very careful because it was an wilston they had some real issues with us being there so we hit the sweet spot and say ok let's just make it where we know we've got it now it's up and running we're starting to be a little bit more aggressive in putting more leaves in and other things to try to give us more material to sell well frankly we're out of compost now too that's why our seal material revenues will go down simply because we trying to go there and then under the rug the other last piece on the revenues is the scott medals are extremely valuable when the beaches are getting we're going to get a lot more material for it and i did know we're getting big enough that we really need like the person you know to do that in our websites because we sell a lot of compost and stuff websites so anyway that sort of that's some labor cost that we're not we pay we have a situation where our he alth insurance we have a h s a we get through this year back to the league of cities and towns for a while we went outside of the league going to much cheaper on loan than we did through a leak of but we pay three percent over a two point nine percent of our salary which averages out to be about a level percent of the premium i pay because i'm the highest paid i paid twenty five percent of the prepared when i was alone with very person and perhaps at a drop off center my only paid twelve thirty percent i mean you know five six percent reflects in our budget because all we do is pay somebody with a middle course you know so if we don't make a profit on the and so therefore if we're paying less because they were a better product an easier product to market then so burlington enjoys  body temperature all working at ninety five ninety degrees this one runs at one hundred thirty one zero so it's highly insulated in iran one of those are difficult they're in it's kind of highly regulated that they any other questions i can briefly give you all through the capital that one's not so down to go down that went up thirty four percent but after nine years of running our material recovery facility we call it it's a recycling facility that's going to take about a million and a half dollars to the work of refurbish all of this is a this is an industry let me try to tell you a little bit about this industry this recycling facility makes us money we built that compost facility custis two point three million dollars we paid cash for it two years profit from that recycling sort of all while we took the tipping fee from zero  and then painting ten dollars so not only did we put extra money aside we were able to give the haulers who hopefully give it back to the consumers doing the same time so but it's it's a technology as you know you put it all in one and we sorted out there's a machine it's a couple million dollars with machinery and we think we're just going to we don't we're one of the first in the east coast ever have one in one of the first in the nations we really didn't know how long to go west we did it the of fascinating you know work i mean you can sure kids in the third grade or oh god but i'm a kid but to watch all that stuff come off a truck in a dump in thirty minutes later it's in a bail ready to be so the p e but it's colors we only get about five to six hundred dollars less than here machines aren't all that you know we actually hand it the machine sorts all the paper from the containers and we and sort last one of the things we're looking at is a computer wise not many socialist one hundred seventy two we're the only one in the country they get gets more money from the sale of materials rather than charging to feed coming on and it's just going to give you up some they're buying an alternative right now because we're out there paying more for we're struck so that bodes well for a few you know bodes well that's going to be good or bad where really needs to do is get more restaurants to come on  in once we do that then we'll be like everybody else most money coming in will be took fees of supposed to from the sale material but we're selling all or material on up you know if you gardeners supply you get a better place than if you are told morals to favor get them to the recycling facility it's not the recycling is a lot of the areas in the country that they have not heard of or say so just because it goes into the trash not because of the recycling system right i would say try to put this i around seventy people which you know so what we could capture but the flip side of that is that thirty percent that people don't recycle some of the water bottles and all that it's you know close to twenty thousand t considering the state is not going so far as the price of gas stations chipping in is thinking of a new ordinance i mean basically what this new law was is to bring the rest of the state up to where chip was it you know it you know we'll check in and keep moving probably but that's up to me one second in the united states collected by hot sixty five percent is collected by one haul or for one area only eleven percent is collected like we do it here other than underhill  so these are the objectives we want to evaluate the economic environmental impacts with consolidate here and within the district and whether it would reduce for members reduce the environmental infrastructure truck traffic and increase recycling without any undue cops that we just want to know that's what we stuck it cost us fifty some one thousand to half years to get this study done but we had holidays on the committee they interviewed all the bigger and smaller homeowners just to make sure when they did an analysis oh what's it cost you to put a truck on the road with a with everything from a fully loaded truck a brand new pack or a or a packer in say in which your labor cost your fuel and commercial obviously we saw waste and recyclables in the number three which is pretty close to number one except by weekly collection for all residential waste site same as option one other than we're just going every other  some assumptions that we looked at everything from multifamily condominium mobile home parks some of them today if you were to ask you know cursor here's what we feel it costs to collect this is what we as generators pay you as a homeowner or you as a business person this is what chipman county he says to have its garbage  including drop offs for residential trash we're paying about eighteen and a half million dollars a year or about two hundred eighty five dollars a tonne for commercial trash for him were paying about eight million dollars or one hundred eighty three residential makes up sixty percent of the trash but it makes up seventy percent of the cons please you to figure out where you want to focus on here when you see that number in commercial only makes up forty percent of the trash but even last thirty percent of the cost every other customer you know right now a garbage trial or chipping county if they pick up three to four hundred that's a big day for them on consolidated where they get every house down the street seventy eight hundred me i know i have a good friend tend to increase due to the consistency of service they embed the recycling cost in with the collection cost and you normally get large volume carts i don't know if many people in underhill have started using them but we're the assumptions we made here is the cost so you have baseline see if you're twenty six and a half million dollars option one is the just residential that comes to thirteen million  just for that so you're saving roughly four point three billion or so four point six million then option two is commercial and residential so you got to add those up and then option three is just  every other and so what we're saying is option one in option three noticed that the commercials the same because we're not doing enough in one and three do it we're not touching the commercial insult but we go from twenty six million down to twenty one or twenty two million down to twenty million into twenty million so you're saving on the next flight just a little bit better so just residential every week you're saving about four point four million both if you did both commercial and residential every week you're going to save them at five point nine if you just do residential every other week you also  see more recycling so here's what we have right now and again this is just the what we have in the residential in which you have fish where the residents are generating about fifty one thousand tons of garbage and about fourteen thousand tons recycling for a total of sixty five that drops a little bit when people go to this patient for all which you know like you guys have you have a bag you pay so much for shows that there is consolidation will have less air missions in greenhouse gas but the increase quote quantity of recycling is much greater than just recycling saves and  recycled in fact you know it i'm starting to see after been years really interesting to see the connection now of all things between the military in the and they're really getting some of the best recycling in such a i guess the geishas would happen by the military because they just see you know it's a whole lot better when that energy is more efficient here we're not spread do in the wintertime because during the summer there's more pressure because of the higher temperatures and they they're taking their residences that expensive they will cut back in the winter so a bottle if you buy a coke in the dead of winter you answer your question there the industry is constantly that we you know and i can joke about it look at your free press is it anywhere near what it was you know ten twenty years ago where any paper i mean nobody lives and the every you know current system the majority of savings come from consolidated of a collection given that staff and i don't know where the board is but we're thinking why bother with commercial in the news the real money is in the residential and the state and businesses like to going so in june we're going to have a vote on our board should we continue to go down this path and look at it we're not asking for permission to implement it but should we answer these questions that are going to be out there does that potential and one of the things we're really looking at is you can take some of that savings in have a third collection of organic some people kind of think that yucky but if you don't backyard compost but i can tell you now pretty much california in the state of at is it worth pursuing should the consolidation be implemented at the district or county level if at the district what's the optimum number and size of the districts in how do we deal with small haulers it seems to be the going theory when i'm running around giving this nobody wants to put a small business and that suit really it's one we haven't found a good answer to yet and therefore we're going to slow down can we find an answer can we have small dollar set aside can you give out a district and say to the beggar hollower who if they get it you need to do twenty percent of this with a small home owner to keep that competition in there those are the legal things we're still investing this on and who does the billing should let's say we had seven collection you'd say we can have one or two on him or you know some people if you have ten but we can have more than three you know so you keep competition some communities i don't advocate this there's it there's a there's a downside we recognize that outside it that's why we're not coming in advocating we're coming and said we've got to study here's the process we understand the negatives of you know you can choose we all want to  so in the other things we're looking at is will the district contract in advance for the sky when you put out one hundred thousand tons on a bill you probably get done a good price in that could actually even lower it we did it we did that look at here and should recycle collections be every week or every other should we have a consistent page you for oh great now you guys have stickers for those who want me out of the markets for those who don't and i can tell you what it as square fairly as we could looks so in a way that's where we are in so we're going to be asking our board members enjoy life in general you know what do you guys feel like should we continue looking at this we're not committing to go down this road is just a good study heechee we answer some of these questions you continue to answer these questions and i mean some people will say well you know you get so far down the road you can't turn back i still people converting to what we call subscription service that we have today you don't want miers you go get the next one there's still people and it is extremely rare for somebody who hands a single hall to ever say  all but apparently what they did was in order to fund the sinking further after the million and a half they said was going to tax on the output from vermont yankee course they had laughed at us but apparently they are going to and first anybody who doesn't know some common steel is that they will put a system in it like zero cost so if your annual electric bill is one hundred dollars a month that you place you pay them one hundred dollars a month and they'll size the system to try and breakeven and then they'll take all the incentives and do all the paperwork and they trying to in blocks like they'd like i guess that's about the size of solar power so you can know what would be helpful for you to know it was like who would be who would be a good candidate for solar that the right information for you there we're going to put out a link there's maybe a way we have done some common may have done some of that yeah but see that in having to then have the information that you know that we have probably true because i think they had to make it i know one guy told me they can look at his house and said sorry does steps to address the critical challenges of climate change so does that mean educational well i think i think it's to encourage people to move toward removals quickly as i say ok the role of the of the energy yeah that's not a good point but i know if people were to be nice find out who was interested first and then you could eliminate a lot of the potential people you'd have to convince you know well i think that's possible at least to the extent that one of the vendors are here if we find out you contacted by anyone was at the meeting and they and the first one that information you know after they were contact was it explained yeah i guess it just kind of depends on what you're doing you know if you're doing a project that is repairing maintenance only on the post office the whatever you were going to do at the post office it has to be charged to that post office working with these guys on this one particular project and once they have done the audit the board or task then they will come up with a bunch of recommendations and generally speaking you would hard a guy who did the well so we're sort of hoping it's not impropriety to work with the scariest throughout the project it's actually i think it's actually hard not to because to get p to get to get  like doing the energy audit could be charged here into online but if you actually went about and started physically putting insulation in you know that would go to the post office line but but there's nothing that you can say ok we're going to save money here we're going to spend it here i mean you grow put it on but it's just like it is anything it's something that needs to be done for the post office i have to take the money that is entitle to run for a long time feel like we should and i don't know how much money that is involved in total there but as a select board even though it's not in the budget you know if you feel that we have enough bottom line it wouldn't hurt and you can say sure charge to our health insurance premium and so we are paid our health insurance premium to them and then they paid the health insurance company now that we've paid directly to the health insurance company they have the surgery so i was going up so  taking there were taken one percent of the premium and they were put in a pool and then you could compete to get that money back regular that stuff so one you know i was talking about this year it's gone  anything so that's good would you like to have let you know i mean on to nine hundred thirty two dollars that we could save you know put towards whatever right because we were a new way to pay insurance it's good we're not paying a middleman pain kind of quickly before we get to that conflict of interest in just one let you know that the dental insurance for a new is july first we're just different than all the other insurance is renewed january first and i received the information we use a yeah it's just like the whole i think they're done here i do not leave the property and holding the bag for cleanup fines stress caused by structures created without their knowledge without correct permit ing i mean i can't go on and on about that i mean i understand that you don't go build something on someone else's property without their permission or if it's big enough without a permit but  you know it just seems like a little bit of preaching to the public here a little bit of preaching to certain groups of people yeah yeah well there's a lot of people who build bridges on people cross country ski people walk their dogs on their property and they build a little bridge so they don't get their feet wet so i just didn't i didn't mind th well this is a little it's just the hair on the negative side down there now i understand of making people aware of things but it's almost like you're creating this i don't know this this feeling of guilt or something that may not i think it's good for us to do this letter to get across information that is that that makes you make the right steps ok so when you're repairing removing you know get a permit they'll make sense to me i think only say you know leave the property order holding the bag for cleanup find strips that's more commentary and i don't think we need to put out a letter of commentary i think we need to put out a letter of fact so i think it especially that's in his seems like mind you know please keep in mind that the property owner should be in compliance with our land land use development regulations or something like that you know i don't know i deal yeah yeah but it's it's true i mean i think most people are really good about recreating other people's property burning search which is community emergency response team and they just have some questions about our level of knowledge and if we would use it so the first what it is is training for individuals family members neighbors community members for disaster preparedness fire safety disaster medical operations light search and rescue team organization disaster psychology so it's just for the situation for you have an emergency have you have some local people that next one search and rescue you know you can send all the people from anywhere you want here nobody knows the stills better than the people that live here right now and you can sign it as a nanny i don't care who they are  they're going to get they're going to get dazed and confused and we've got this is where we could really you know we have the advantage of there's so many people in this town that are really active in there that are in the you know the mountains in the woods all the time know their way around and they're the people that you want if something were a kid was missing or there was a rescue that need to happen you know we've we i don't think we take advantage of the rescue of the people by the time the people even have the energy to get up there and have them didn't make it through the suggest you know but there's tons of athletic people here in this town that could run up and down there so if we did have that in place we would use for basically all of these things search and rescue first day staging area assistance incident documentation disaster assistance yeah i would say with the me yeah john does not want to church and they did have that one meeting on may seventh the sosa first one a couple of years and is on willing to provide any kind of agenda of minutes from any meetings he doesn't want to be bogged down with that kind of task he's not interested in doing and so you have a committee that's required the committee until you have a group of people who's interested can tom just volunteer in the capacity that he wants to and not be bothered with being on a committee and having to follow procedures so i'm not quite sure where to go with that but he refuses to participate as a committee yes i was handling the stuff that was to be i try to ask him the questions i signed a thing i said you know can you tell me who was there what did you talk about what did you decide to do and i'll put the notes together for you and he didn't like that idea i mean he said i appreciate that you have a job to do and i don't want to be difficult but frankly i'm not interested in putting the little time i have to volunteer into a bunch of pursuit of technicalities that do nothing to advance recreation opportunities in town got a lot of really great ideas for the keeps our recordings of these meetings for certain time they're getting ready to get ready for two thousand and ten so what that means is that will no longer she was a tenant of kandahar and is suing him as the town health officer she conducted three inspections of the property that ms a bare rented and the reports are part of the evidence in her claim against mr barr she wanted the board to know that she'll be attending to answer questions about the findings of the contents of her reports only and that she would be contacting the talent turning prior to attending a meeting to right i typically after they're signed up is when i put them on the website because then i haven't been approved they're the ones that you know are pretty comfy with the executive session i did not do that and moments for me to go well you know you kind of not following the same procedure envoy life and my thinking was that they were all they're all related to one subject and so off since i'm not required to put him up there i was going to wait and put them up as a group once everything is complete would you prefer that i had followed the same procedure and put them up as soon as their signed or the fact that this is a rare situation where they're all int related and i was holding on to put them up as a group and she she has a fairly complete yet they came to my attention because i don't really need my coffee for the authors and i'm doing until they're up there  right and you know as i was going through i did notice in one of the emails or one of the minutes that i did have that they were wanted one that was approved by came after go over and so my question is is it really is