have to continue public hearings one will be twenty two vote and road which is in addition are they of the applicants coming for the seedlings they actually sent an e mail late last week requesting that it be continued to the january th planning break ok will come add a reminder that if it is continued and there is new material to be submitted that the movie tiriel really do need to see it in advance it's quite a contingent of voters who want to make sure that that's online course the government got another call tonight just closer to us that thank you that's really the microphone is actually not for us but as for the audience at home with so please just introduce yourself and just go over the application if my name is james course on own project manager santander and as you can see we've done some renovation to the interior the building they're trying to drive more sales we have a kind of unique situation there is we're on an odd corner especially at night it has some unique situations where it limits people coming up and it limits our exposure to customers who may be driving or who may be walking pedestrians would like to put up a blade sign and it's been a long journey we tried to apply for it prior to the by laws being changed and i guess we missed that date so we are filing for a which we've met and we came to the last meeting and we got no objections from the public we really had no objections from the board i think everybody was kind of gal you know we got to there are a couple on leonard street to begin with now  and i think personally if anybody else and does a lot of small businesses that are local businesses and if they were going to ask for them they probably would have by now and i guess from my standpoint nine i can't speak for the board and i have you know no right to but it would help us and i think i know the last time we hear the biggest problem was is how do you limit the amount of blade size you don't want to see a blade sign on every store and like i said i don't think you would because there's a lot of small businesses as i believe you brought up at the blast meeting it is a special variance a special permit required to do it so that's how you could limit on and i mean there are ways you could do it by saying ten percent of the storefronts or seventy five percent of the businesses or whatever you could limit them i don't think it's going to be a big problem but it is something we feel we need to help bring in a sign vendor who would know he did it per code per the present regulations or by laws and that's what was required the height the size so you already have a sign across small yeah it's not a very big sign but it would protest it out so like i say pedestrians and vehicles coming up leonard street would would see us more that you know nobody if we could have got a logo on the owning that could help us you know but there's no branding so you see a red on and you see blue warnings there's warnings up and down there nobody knows from the color of the awning that it's a side oh it's i should say nobody a six it is the size that that is on that and that rendering right there it at three feet but two foot six but one of the things as you drive up and one of the reasons why even having branding on that side of the awning is as you approach from that side you can even see the red on ng due to the blue awning next door in the way the street curves as you approach so having the sign even if it's a reduced to two foot to foot would still be a great benefit as long as it sits where it does in that photo right there you can as as you have probably already driven up the street and noticed that if you were looking for that sort of thing you really cannot see the red on it or the spread sign band it's on the front of the bank until you're almost directly in front of it there should have been some slides presented before as it approached from underneath the bridge and up as presented right there at the bank is literally right there and you cannot see it had i not indicated where the location is in their shots as you draw closer so having that projecting sign solves that issue for people who are driving up in that direction looking for the bank or the a t m you visibility from the other direction is quite good right for one side certainly you just hold that for a nd because what i see is a lot of clutter on that streetscape i see you want to get inside just about every store and i don't know that you're going to be able really distinguish yourself from that clutter this this is looking from the uk it's not it's i just don't know how this is really going to help you stand out given the amount of clutter on the street and on the concern about that i've been driving around new england for the last month with focused on street signs all across from from new york it's a lonely it's a lonely life but what i would have noticed is that in the communities where these in  quaint communities like we aspire to be where there are a lot of blood signs the distinguishing characteristic is that there are far apart and they're not there are not three or four things in front of each store there is either blue you know there's two things but not quite so much well as john pointed out you know are on it gets blocked by the other one and that's if we get to the blade sign it will be up higher and the other unique characteristic to that the last several years i'm i'm not aware of if there's been a change not it's a no meet the new site and what is the relationship between a sign above the windows and signs in the windows and in the new  regulations the current regulations don't if you have a wall sign it doesn't impact what you can do with window signs the limitation is believes thirty percent of the window can be covered with a wall si but there's no limitation of a wall so much so st question is is the is the sign that's on the wall there in conformity i don't know the interest to that because when did we you were here carlos when when did they do the silos that two years right so i guess what we need to know it looks to me like it probably is but i guess what we need to know is if that's conforming with the silo right do we want to do that or  photographed in concord and we like the approach that they have taken there were there three categories of signs on the  wall on the awning and a blade sign and in concord you can only have two of the three types of signs and and so but we haven't formalized that as a as a on the you do and i'm going to just do it is what is going to stick out a little bit more but probably not by that much i mean from the way it's drawn here it's it's taller than it is wide and in fact the measurements the other way around right and i believe that was the just under the max allowed by things and so it's not the optimal location my senses karl but my sense is that we don't need to make any big purple nation on this at this point if we take as guidance what they do it conquered take a look at this and say is it reasonable or is it not will it will it would do harm or not there i mean i guess in this isn't answering that question to hear a motion that we would that we approve the blade signed as described in with the condition that they are made in terms of the placement of the sign and  agenda item that we were basically review internally where we stood because it's been a while since we talked about this frankly and there have been some updates and changes in the plans that right and we could review our that that i think not one person in one hundred would see the difference between the two put the the existing and shifting that wing hitting it from out so it's the same size and the same design but that it would but it would leave a uniform with between this school and this is this your diagram karl i think you would lose a little bit because you're you're you're squeezing the upper i guess that's the north west corner of that the of the main body so there would have to be something to do because it's the square footage that looks oh yeah it would have to get longer anyway i mean this is a rough draft at that point timeline that's part of that they can hope so yes we we have a vote often right and we're preparing for a positive vote so we already had plans in place to move right into the design development but also as as i spoke to a lot of folks and public meetings in order to pull this big project off work celebrating construction and actually put together a really big packages so a traditional design bid build would finish the entire design process a year and then go out to bid and start construction we've that that timeline is actually a year longer than our current timeline and the reason for that is we find a big benefit in the community to deliver school space for a growing and rollman but also the escalation on the project is tremendous as far as the you know escalation the rate of construction pricing so we pulled  back a year with chapter one hundred and forty nine dollars a that's a construction manager at risk process that's allowed public work in massachusetts where we brought on a construction manager early they didn't bid the job we don't have what we do have is a timeline and scope of the project and so they provided us with through the through the massachusetts public procurement process they provide us with percent professional services so construction manager services the furthest cancer so by bringing them on we're able to have another set of eyes to do estimating but also really dig into the planning and facing allowing us to start as spencer said right the day after school and we'll start if you then step backwards we are looking at providing what is that really construction actually only just a step back we're building two schools in one we're building a high school in middle school so phase one that construction will start in june of the high school the nine through twelve portion that will be built right up against the pool in the field house just to the west of the high school allowing the continued use of those the the entire high school minus the pool for the entire construction duration of the st phase the nine through twelve portion that will take two years and the intent is to turn that over to belmont for the september start of school two thousand and twenty one which time the students of nine through twelve high school will report into the new school and that will start the nd phase allowing the existing high school to be taken down and then the middle school component to be built it's basically an addition to a building that's not complete so the building that we will present to you will be the complete building because i'm not sure it's important to go through what it looks like in phases but will be occupying a building that's under a temporary  certificate of occupancy because for two years it will be entirely complete all the life safety will be working all the heating ventilation lights egress all that will be working to be safe to occupy but it requires the seven and eight addition that will come in two thousand and twenty one to two thousand and twenty three so allowing us to star in june on the nine through twelve portion would require us to have a foundation package that's the st piece will  foundation and the structure but none of the finishes none of the architecture will be bid at that time will bid all of that the architecture that finishes all of that when the drawings are complete one hundred percent at the end of next year and that be fine because it allows us to get those trades on in time to keep the construction process going because it'll take quite a while to install the new foundations and put up the structure so what spencer was leading into was in order to get there  we would need to get some agreements in place with the planning board early sort of like a phased approval process if there is such a thing but it allows us probably to take a very large project and bring it down into components that might make sense to to discuss rather than trying to talk about all of it at once and so the proposal i suggested to staff was to look at the st phase being more of the  of the site traffic phase so that would be curb cuts the travel path and the parking and then with decisions on that it'll allow the design team to up the site design in the landscape in the fields and all that and we could come back and talk about that later but in the middle we want to talk about the building the architecture the map the the finishes the  all of that stuff now i understand that it probably relates all of this relates the landscape relates to the building relates to the driving but it allows pieces to move ahead of a large project like this it seems rational that we can break it down and and look at things that allow the design to progress and allowed us to get some permitting while we finishing up the entire project in other words to put the foundations  we don't necessarily need to know the details of the fields and all the planting will eventually need to know that and that's what the latter process is sort of springtime talking about that i do have to throw something else in which is field lighting because that is something that's not part of the school of educational or school use but it is a request that came in from recreation and it seems like we should talk about that after all the other parts of the project are sort of resolved because we don't need that for the school and we don't need that to occupy the building and it is actually one of the last things that we would install anyways as part of the project so we feel safe in saying that we could put that towards the end of our discussions and get through the approvals process or earlier so i try to capture a lot maybe you have a lot of questions i did read through the memorandum of understanding and i'd be happy to briefly talk about that i also read through the presentation of the calendar which is that you have to put together is where the curb cuts will be and i know that was that was that was something that needed to get done before you can begin to make talk about the traffic plan and and talk about the roadways and all that so is that been decided on at this point plus looking at different solutions and arrived at what was presented for quite a while but there were a lot of concerns a lot of comments on where the curb cuts were and how traffic would flow so we then started talking to different groups and realizing we were being ourselves and also the public that was we're coming to each one of these groups to say their opinions were repeating themselves so it's nice to have this traffic working group where we could all basically talk about the same thing and as a result of that through quite a few meetings it became apparent that although there was some concern over where the curb cuts were that group recognized that as as the building committee did that nothing is always perfect and that is the best solution that could be worked out for this project giving all that given all the constraints traits of the neighborhood constraints on the site and the requirements of this new project needing entrances and exits in more than one place and trowbridge so you're able now to to begin to go on yeah i think that's right so you're beginning to is so at this point so i just want to say some concrete about this know you know what you curb cuts are going to be and i know you've already drawn up say plans and things and traffic and you know the roadways and all that but now you can go ahead and firm those up to be able to come to us with so and that's important it is the st important step i think the important step is opening the public meeting and what jeffrey has put to us and he gave it to us last week we were up for the challenge is that tomorrow is the deadline to submit the package and in the right column is a list for tomorrow's package of fifteen items we're happy to say will have ten of those fifteen items here which i think is a substantial package includes a site plans to curb cuts the certified have that but before we go there we should understand what it is we're designing as far as where the road is one lane two lanes how many park parking spots and all that because obviously that will be affected by   i don't know if we can do this because i know if you have to publish them or not but it would be useful if if the board could get copies or copies of this early so that you have plenty of time to take a look at this and  know be able to get our homework done what we can do is once we get the electronic copy we can post it online and if you have a good tech ward that would be great that i could get the hard copies to your office on friday so this week that's that's probably not tomorrow but  oh i use a magnifying glass now because it's just gotten to that point yet but it's also it's also so hard unless you have one of the really biggest screens when you see drawings off to measure things on the screen it's just pages of that were responses that we put together based on questions that you folks write in the day so i was reading the sign when it was just ok and then approval calendar which i think is this good and then we should talk about option but before we go there i do think that in our conversations with staff that this public meeting hearing proposed schedule works for us every time we come to you i expect that will be coming back with new information or updated information and typically you need a week or so at a time and you always have meetings two weeks apart so it works really well except i'm scratching my head in january and that is a little and so so that was even though our team is up for the challenge of getting information back that week i'm not they they told me that they don't know how they don't have much time if they have to return back around the idea that what is we might do spencer is it possible for us to if we have questions or issues that we can push some things to you before the meeting and you are different you know the say a topic so that's good to you know we can look at different opinions and have responses to those to ok that's so it's anything we can do to try to move that along i mentioned that site circulation parking and curb cuts was important for us because we are issuing an early package before the foundations which is composed of just utilities and we're starting that in may and that's while school is out but we're working on the periphery and the utilities are going in the road over the road that we're putting in and so it's good that it would be good that we understand where that road is how big it is what the parking conditions look like and that's why we're proposing the push that earlier so it's not foundations as much as the utilities that we're sending out to bid in february so the timing is pretty good if we're talking and trying to get to some resolution in january for our package that's going out you know i don't think there's a lot of risk i don't want to be presumptuous with you but if the curb cuts are here and the and the buildings here think the road is going to connect this way because it's not going to go through the pond but i do think that we have to talk about it and the public is going to be noticed and hopefully they'll have some comments that we could respond to i'm sure you've you've mentioned the foundation a couple of times and where does that fall on this overview schedule in talking with department e foundation and his opinion was that we don't obviously have a building permit but we should understand where the building is cited and how the footprint lands on the site so that's what we have to flush out for that some some understanding that where we're citing the building is and where it where does that come on this calendar i would i would propose to move that is early as we can on the calendar and i think it's going to be in the february discussion i think that you can't make a good decision on that until we start to give you the landscape in the building the bass and all of that so you can see where we left off last may was concerns that you expressed o hard lift to move that with all the programming impacts that it will have but what we have been doing which i think is responsive to your comments is we've been asking our team to make a better transition between the pond and the building so it actually has less hard scape and more landscape and that's what's going to be presented in the next time that would be submitted in january i did a very crude sketch and the has had copies of it i mean it as an indication of the speed we have the last submittal we we have the submittal tonight and and the image in the in the paper is beyond what we got today and this is only intended as to say that any shifting of that wing ten feet fifteen feet would significantly improve the opportunity to create a better landscape on the north side of the pond and to so to say that if we're saying already that foundation can't move then i a straight across line like this in the us is this june the jewel of the july submittal has a entry that connects at a different angle than what is shown here but even if you keep that where it is it seems like you could move ten or fifteen feet exactly keeping the same program  and significantly improving the opportunities for landscaping around the pond and making the site and there's also the feeling of of a plaza at the is that the cafeteria that faces the pond yes how do you how do the doors work on on that wall are students going to be able to go in and out or are you supposed to enter the high school from the front door only i guess so so you have a plaza but in theory if if the if the students pay  attention they can't get out there because they can't get back in oh no they can get you asked if they could enter the village the entrance of the building is to the west the plaza is for students and public to be able to go out and come back in at that location but it's not the entrance to the building so it is a door controlled ok because of safety controlled for in and out but it's not the not the entrance so there could be a program out there with with staff that's managing the students going and out or there could be someone i could i could envision i think that we've talked with director of the nutrition of maybe and i maybe that they have some advance out there for lunch and i stays in the spring whatever that could be so there are opportunities this is giving the town opportunities the programming of the building is really a school department but it is not the entrance to the building it is not it's key controlled with cards that students don't have st so secured by staff going back to your comments they're very very important i respect the process because that's that's part of what i do too so what i i don't want to make a decision what i what i'd like to do is st comment on your significant change the landscape when we come back to you you're going to see a significant change the landscape than what you saw before so we've already made a significant change the landscape that change can be done but then there's a significant impact to the entrance and the appearance of the building the part of the building that we've had a lot of comments on publicly from our meetings and also internally for our committee is that the building didn't seem to have a front door it was lacking a presence from concord out of yes there was a bar that moved out but where do you walk in to some degree what you just described was where people thought you're walking and you go around and you come in front of the pond which is not the case so there's the architecture of the building has changed on the exterior tremendously since what you've seen in regards to you know finished rationed and and the appearance of what is now an the main entrance to the building it is the main entrance it's the high school entrance but it's also the main entrance the presentation you'll see will actually have that theater that's behind it will actually come you'll be able to it's transparent so when something's going out at night you'll be able to actually see the theaters if it was right outside on the front as we move the wing over those those opportunities become less prominent obviously it probably opens the door for a more prominent and better landscape as you said there's a balance there and i'd like before we make a decision to have an opportunity to present to the committee to the board that which was a lot of work that's gone into your specific comment that resonates with us well and i just want to be a clear that i was speaking for the board if it was not my own personal opinion when we made that comment that was based on discussions with the members of the  respect the board looking at this we've spent some time because we there was a decision of moving it and there was an impact that the entrance felt less prominent when we did that so let's look at that i could try  it took to put a package together for wednesday which was on there of tomorrow we were not ready to show you that so that's why it's not in the package to be fair i did push the design team and they smartly said we need the time to put it all together because will miss the mark if it's bits and pieces so we need a couple more weeks and we'll be ready for that spot on five work beginning of february with a package submitted a week or so ahead of time so you get a chance to look at it and start to understand what we did in response to the comments of the board well speaking at at this at tonight as if just for myself i could understand if you'd said if you were to say to come back to us in the next week or two that we can't move that wing we can't swing it thirty feet away but if you said we can't even move it five feet or ten feet i'd be really disappointed that that that that means that it's already the foundation had darted design has already been fixed and i that concerns me at least so it's less the foundation that's the st thing that goes in obviously once the foundations and but it's really the foundation meaning the building the building plans are well developed so can i say it can't be changed anything to be done we'll have a drastic impact to to the progress that we've made yes will you still like the design if we don't change it i don't know until we come back to you but whether we move it five feet or thirty feet it's the same effort right it's the same effort undesigned so so i want to be very clear that the move like you said it's a rotation of the wing so the program stays and it moves the move is still  move whether it's five feet or thirty feet or ten feet in between it is just to move in the foundations are that's the structure is not driving this at all yes the schedule means that in order for the foundations to go in the building architecture has to be set so that's that's we're trying to do it right it's not a structural thing it's the architecture so i if we we could be ready discuss this in the middle of january but just can't parking so that's the one we're going to up on st i think i think one of the things is can as concerned me and other members of the board is that we are moving from a two storey building to a four story building it's not just that we're moving closer to the to the pond it's that we're also going up and so it's going to be a very different environment than it is today but that can be addressed i think perhaps by a small shift and also by some significant landscaping i want to see growth and again as i said this project has been a lot of a lot of pulls and tugs in different directions and  as you'll probably hear from some of the traffic it's the decisions that are made are not always to everyone's everyone's favor but we have to look at where we where we end up and what the you know what's  what's the best for the community so if if we have to wait till february to have that discussion which i think is appropriate given the fact that we don't have a full package to give you now we're going to we need to do that but i know what's on the top of your list i know it's important to you what's important to us  and i just it would be inappropriate to start a discussion when everything's not put together so you can see the whole picture you know our our design one thousand feels passionately that they have made significant changes in the design of landscape and hard scaping front to make it feel different than what you saw before even if the building is still exactly where it was i'm not going to it's not a slight hance the building still there where it was but they've made some changes  and i i do want to just say that even though slight lighting is is another passionate discussion if we keep if we bring it up it just gets a little weird trying to get focused on things and that's why we put it to the end it's and that doesn't mean that it's automatic as a matter of fact it could be even a longer duration i was hopeful that we have that before school is out and people leave because a lot of the recreation for folks you know that a lot of people are going to come i'm not the one that's i'm here is the face but there's a lot of people on the play but now they don't have lights to do what they've done understanding that where they've done it is not where they're going to be doing it over here it's like it's two different neighborhoods so it is important to have that discussion and then then there's the running grant foundation that feels  house for a while passionately that they have a good argument for lighting their field and we did put them both togethers so it's not like you know they're both together and you get in there with title nine you have issues there when the baseball field is not the softball field so let's let's maybe try to table that to the extent you can and and we you know one thing i will say is we may actually put the infrastructure in underground the conduit and feel like it could be put in any time later right now as long as you know off the bridge the fields up to get power to it you know it's another option think about i have a question about so when in your process you are thinking of doing and next year you're building some story we have coming so we have massive model of the building with a plan and everything we carried around i will ask them to bring it it's the size of this table is it and it's of you know but then it's i think there was getting to like building materials oh yes like i'm going to have so that's another reason why we have another presentation tomorrow morning where we're going to be starting to talk about brick texture color and and planes and so it will morph into getting something where we can start to look at sections and i think that's all in here what jeffrey was trying to say is renderings elevations  definitely look to you to see you know will we have for february will we actually have products that you can touch and feel i think that's we'll get to that and i'm not looking to say this is the color of brick and this is the mortar color and this is you zero actually dug into that and i think it was very helpful so we had actually see them on the side of the building that it was gun so looked like in the changes and as a matter of fact we we have that in the budget we may even do too but we have a mock up for your purpose and for a purpose a constructibility right so we do that st before we we release a lot of work would do that early we'll do it on site so you can see it in the context it won't be on the building because the building was built at the time so you'll you'll put  before you order brick and balk and it's that i can't say for sure because what i heard today in discussions was that some of the brick orders are very very long time but it will also be a mock up for the d you know go outside the grout it really wants to be warm type of look and i don't think you know you look at the renderings it's not an orange building or yellow building it's just a way to pretty it really is but they're talking about s so what i'd like to do is i'd like to work with our contra construction manager to look at a time frame to build that the challenge we always have in public projects is we can't go get a mason so you want your you want your contractor that's doing the work to build it because carrying expect to see that the steel structure is going up and we would have a mock up probably around of april or may of two thousand and twenty maybe a little sooner if we waiting twenty ok yes  windows it's a very big we do in the private world it works a little better but this is we can't really celebrate that because it gets we could all prove something and then somebody else buys it competitive bids different project in public that gives you all of it and it becomes the private sector pushing the on how much of it you want to see it'll be bigger than ten by ten i know that and because it has different layers of materials you move up but i think you should have an opinion on what you want to see for the mock up before we finish that too so i'll well actually read it but i think so to think about what we do we actually could even impact that because i think given the public this is a question i asked quite a while ago about public  we as a committee actually had that discussion about probably november for the vote can we do can we do it but forgot about you right but can we do a markup so we can make a decision on something that we actually see before we own it right ok and going through the process it was really challenging because of those risks so i wrote myself a note because i'd like to come back to you and have that discussion a little more detail to see now you know if  brick is already well it is take it back so that the tools we have today for design of presentation are far better than they have been before so the renderings the the the ability to look at perspectives you're going to be seeing models that are we were moving through and there was so kind of was a look like from this perspective what if the sun's going down so the only real challenge is color but what we do have is we have samples of brick we have samples of more we put those together so we can see that we have samples of metal cladding we have samples of that's you can see so we can tell you any way that we can actually see those and then we look at the runners to see how it all goes together so i think the tools are there for us to be pretty sure of what we're doing and again the blend that we're thinking of is truly a blend so we could when we do when the before they place the order on that they're actually sending us samples to see how many darks and so that's that we still have control over ok and you certainly will be should be part of that ok great i remember that ok so all there and you can see it if it's only because it's all covered with so we have a great team we have an architectural team that's very conscious of that and and they've heard us talk about the harvard blend several times and i think was standing just make sure that there were anything that you had in there if if it's all right before you dismiss me and then just get into dover a bit wanted i think you guys already experienced some dover discussions on  still i don't know where we're at with parking anymore and what the latest version of the bilinear parkway is and the number of spaces but that was speaking of the memorandum of understanding that was the top concern on my part because i'm really thinking about limited student parking as a solution potentially to some of the traffic problems and i don't know where we stand on this stuff or if this is inappropriate to talk about i think it's appropriate to express your concerns there were as respect that and i don't know how much so when you talk about students parking and so forth you really get into the school committee stuff right and we're building committee and that's policy and we're building so that's that ma may need to be in a different meeting and not a silly building committee because we have no authority over the school committee that being said i do you have heard them talk about finding ways to improve public  students finding other ways than driving to school especially one in a car because no one really favors that if but the russians also say it may not change and two thousand and twenty one when you open this high school it may not change in two thousand to either this is this is a process of changing so discussions are can we if we do build parking area there are opportunities to remove some parking in the future green space planting parking on campus because students will then drive and start to park elsewhere and it's out of the authority of the building committee to decide what happens off the site but that's why we have the traffic working group and that group has been talking about it in the school committee and the superintendent has expressed some interest in seeing what concord out could provide as far as student parking maybe permit it just like on campus signed fees associated with that because when you look at the plan and you know students the concord have all of a sudden becomes a lot closer to park than the student parking lot in the difference of code over their bike by the plating company or it's just they're not there if they have a choice they're going to park right there at the front door and stead of having it was obviously student parking ends up being pushed to the periphery so so those things really are true responses to human nature parking we want to be closer so we should be considering that and the building committee doesn't necessarily have jurisdiction or responsibility on the town but that's when the traffic work group has started to bring that engagement in keep in mind that the current total parking on the site for civic is about four hundred and thirty dollars spots and that dynamic really probably isn't changing the proposal for parking that you'll see come to you is four hundred and thirty  spaces the civic parking is different in the campus today as it will be in the future because today they're allowed to park for civic events on the railroad that doesn't happen during school so the school via parking is we've done is or is a reduced number for the from the four hundred and thirty dollars but the interesting delta between that is about the growth of teachers and staff that could be projected for the new school student parking quantity not changing middle schoolers are driving these days so a park and that's a discussion it could have i don't have as a building committee authority don't to delegate that outside of the campus so that is an important discussion we will continue to have in january we have a summary of how the numbers came to four hundred and thirty but i would agree with you that the school department is considering impacts to reduce that right and the advantages in some places of creating more green space or more with to the fields  more convenient walking or cooling spaces in go on and on and on and safer roadway and safer roadway it just goes on and on the just the plan a number in your head of one hundred and eighty is the allocation of student parking that's out there today roughly if you count the spaces of forget the color of a striped yellow or whatever white and and one hundred and eighty is the number that's in this plan albeit we took and pushed some of that way over to the west of paris field in a remote lot that's more contiguous to the fields and the but that's a good solution if you want to try and disperse the parking for other civic events so it's not because people don't there's not  parking over there for what's going on yeah ok and i i will ask the board that it gets challenging if we start to bring in discussions of the ice rink because it's not a real project it is not decision that was made either scope location or or otherwise and so we have to as a group and i know it's kind of tough to do we have to as a group i guess my opinion because how it's going to tell our design team we have to look at as if it's not it's not part of this equation right of the existing ice rink it's saying it is for our system we know that something's got to happen but we can't it would impact our project to speculate on options that don't exist right now but likely something might change it will be back talking as a group but then it's another group involved in that but as we've constantly said whether it's a new ice or into the biggest ice rink this parking discussion and quantity should be shared throughout the campus and not just looking for the high school looking for ice rink parking for a library burger you know we should look at it and minimize the number of pay spaces we put in that region ok so the that was a lot of questions in the memorandum of understanding and parking and you responded to a number of those questions in the in the plans that we will see coming out friday at the parking is there you know you know but i think that for our discussions we should just look at the number instead of looking you know at you know obviously where order to france or on a submission called construction management and i'm scratching my head saying what does that mean to the board construction management are you interested in all the include intricacies of phasing on that site is that in your purview that through traffic working group because it impacts neighborhoods for periods of time and we're doing that because department needs to work that out and how we're controlling if that's that level of detail you are or if it's just  the board and i can have my do with a copy of that if you want to see what was i could give you details beyond details of what's going on it's very involved and it's i just didn't want to die just want to know what you meant by that we have a lot of discussions going able to take a look at the holidays i have one more question yeah dover what do you do so we have the opinion is that just we're going to put that in the file do you need a written declaration that we're using this you know you may not catch up to us ok thank you for getting a copy of that we're going to take the boy it's going to take a five minute break bylaws these changes would be similar to changes previously enacted for general residents and single residency districts the goals would be to ensure that tear down slash rebuilds and additions reflect the current character of the neighborhood in terms of density mass book height etc i see that we receive signatures to involving thirty eight dollars residences across thirteen streets which is a pretty broad swath yes yes very good  that discussion we went ahead and moved a step further and looked at what a few metrics that might define what the prevailing character is in the neighborhood in the district project i don't have a copy and if you recall the minimum lot size requirement is twelve thousand square feet so the median lot size is significantly lower than the requirement and on the map you see here the green parcels are the the lots that are above  twelve thousand dollars square foot requirement and the yellow parcels are the ones that are below the green is conforming that's correct and lots of times in the absence so then we took the parcels that were non conforming and  looked at those and determined that there are other three hundred and thirty four dollars parcels that make up the s r p district two hundred and twenty seven dollars or sixty eight percent of which do not conform to the twelve thousand dollars square foot minimum lot size requirement and then we terminated the media lot size requirement of the non conforming lots is actually just slightly over seven thousand seven hundred and eight dollars square or seven thousand and seven square feet so if you recall the median lot size for the district as a whole and then we looked at just the non conforming lots and on the non conforming lots the median t l a is two thousand one hundred and four square feet so it's about one hundred and seventy five square feet below the district median total livable yes and science total li area so it doesn't include garages and screened in porch is short and then sixty three percent of the non conforming lots have structures that are below the district median you allowed ten percent increase by right that would mean that you're allowing in the non conforming parcels an increase of two hundred and ten square feet which would bring the median  three hundred square feet and that would be roughly forty six percent of the non performing properties could increase by ten percent and still stay below what the current median t l a is which is two thousand two hundred and seventy dollars so forty six properties get forty six percent increase by ten percent and not change not go beyond what the existing character of the neighborhood has then we looked at a twenty percent and crease which would equate to four hundred and twenty one square feet for the median property in town and not performing lots which would bring the median t l a in the non conforming lots to two thousand five hundred and twenty five square feet this would mean that thirty percent of the non conforming properties could increase by twenty percent stay below the current median t l a thirty three percent of properties would increase to number higher than the current and then we looked at thirty percent which is what's the threshold in the s r c district and in the s r b district that would equate to essentially for the median increase it would be six hundred and thirty one square feet which would bring the structure that's correct and unfortunately the data that we have available is the t l a but you're absolutely correct so if every property in town were to increase in the not from property in the district were to increase by thirty  percent that would leave only seventeen percent of properties that would still be below the current median t l a of two thousand two hundred and seventy square feet forty six percent of properties would go from being below the current median t l a to above the me to the lot so that's so it's a measure to measure density and you'll notice on the map here again the green are properties that are below the median f they are and the yellow are properties that are above so essentially the yellow properties  denser in development than we looked at just the non conforming lots and the median f a are for not conforming lots is zero point two eight so it's slightly higher than the district as a whole and only thirty two percent of non conforming properties are equal to or below the district median t l then we looked at you know a ten percent increase which would bring the median f a are for the not for me lots to zero point three twenty two percent of non conforming properties could increase by ten percent and still you basically have two parts of this district you have the you have that neighborhood that's in there remember you're going to do some stuff on the historical part of the neighborhood that has the smaller that and it's for the most part is geographically clustered so what you really have is you really have sort of it's not exactly perfect but you have two neighborhoods here and you have and when you take a look at the average for the district  deceptive because you need to look at the average food for that particular neighborhood in there we sort of parse that out so when you take a look at that have you already have you already have what's that you have pretty high if they are density there so what you really want to do because the the the other ones the ones in gray have fairly i mean it's kind of interesting  if you just look at the housing size on those the risk that some people aired to just the other ones are not that big and there are some that are quite large and get comp through all of that but that's that's a separate district you're not done with this sure but if you go back to the beginning and show us the graphic with conforming and non conforming lots right there yeah it's rate they ok so if you if you said as we did in the s  dollars square foot ones that are that are having the issue of density high if they are i mean it's that cluster you don't need to carve the cluster out because you've already done it by saying non conforming a lot is that correct know i think it's from last time because i'm just wondering about that footprint because that's the language that we're interested in and instead of having to define the thing if it's defined by a lot size i mean if it's defined by conformity there y yeah and what you can do is yep there it is right that's right so this so there's no reason to parse it you've already i mean you've already done that by saying non conforming a lot of it's under so if it's under size yeah right and then you just then you then there's an absolute height limit not an absolute heart i'm sorry a rich white woman but thirty four feet that's the other dimension requirement and then it's it's if the threshold is thirty percent of gross gross you have to be thirty percent of room syria so those are the three so you'll you let a girl of thirty percent you let it go thirty percent if it's with thirty percent you have to come to us right thirty percent on this how big are those houses averaging in terms of the neighborhood so if you control had maybe thirty four feet is high because we're getting some pushback on that but it's the it's the structure that's on the ground and  and the massive destruction that's on the ground is what makes the issue ok and that's what you want to keep control so if they have a garage they have a garage if they don't you can  some cases face it so that's why weaker so that's why we want to talk about gross area as opposed to living here so that gets us to the thing that's on the dirt right that's what percent really has an impact in you know a seven thousand dollars square foot lot that that wouldn't be such an impact on a nine thousand dollars square foot lot so there's there's there's going to kind of that it looks like the not performing lots in this district are more s r c sized right yeah right but i mean i think at some point one of the i mean you did this and i was i was on part of this but i think i think at some point if we can get some members of the board and maybe somebody from the neighborhood like to come to us i think he i think put boots on the ground you got to take a look and see what the neighborhood is like and and see what swath and yet as in forced the thirty four feet is suggestive and that's an absolute top but what we've always done as a board pushes into conformity with this john dingell voters so you know the thirty four is an upset limit as  think i think we have i think we have to look at what some of the houses are well let me ask the audience if so somebody wants to come up and talk to me head have you had experiences through the neighborhoods collecting signatures one of the residency there in richmond a garfield common jimmy oh you're closing the barn door after the horses gotten out and and that is  you know and she pointed down the street to a tear down that was under way and that my understanding is going to be pretty massive so that is our probably our st you know concrete example of this and it's kind of shame that we weren't covered in last year's one because maybe even that wouldn't have happened at the end of kenmore you're talking about yes i believe it is yeah zoning but what we're what we're concerned about isn't is not that it happens but if we feel look at the maps of the density maps we're not that different from the wind brooke neighborhood so right  now prices are are high and you're not going to tear down the house because you're not going to get anything be able to build i think and get any money out of it but in each of our respective neighborhoods we all have in in our heads a house that's really at risk it's neglected it's my abandon the person who's living there is not going to is not managing in the fire department has come and taken her out you know and those homes are not going to sell for the medium one million dollars whatever we just heard our tax rate is based on and those are the homes that i think are at risk you know there's not a lot of them but they're there and they will turn over and we would prefer to have some protections for that dense area we understand it's a crazy district and there are going to be you know houses where they're going to do whatever they want to do but in that denser area to say that we're any different than across pleasant street we're really not and to think that what happened there isn't going to cross pleasant street i think is so we're trying to be proactive that's all but so right i can't take you on a walking tour but i can take you on a walking tour of the at risk once ok ok just did you hear any when he went around to the house to ask for signatures and the people said declined oh absolutely three people who said can you give me more information i'm not ready to sign yet ok the vast majority signed very quickly they thanked us they hoped the we would you know quote unquote win you know whatever you know that that's what they left it and we were able to cover i think basically every one of those high density streets because i think there's about eighteen or so streets in this district we have signatures from thirteen of them and late breaking news we're actually up to forty now and we have been asked to get thirty these with the petition about is is about tear downs and quote unquote make mansions and exactly what rachel just said is that there is in every one of these areas there is least one house that you know is at risk it's going to you know and those could easily destroy the character of each one of our little neighborhoods the other thing which is you know i want to make sure this is a very separate from what people sign the petition but i heard from at least one other you know resident the issue of the fact that a number of our houses border a commercial district and that also is in trusting problem  friends on the other side of when broke have the same problem and you know if i think maybe there might be some if you're going to do a more comprehensive look you mean want to look at that in the impacts of that you know on the fact that we just you know got a you know a fast food restaurant which we thought we were protected against that can cut deliveries at four in the morning which we thought we were protected against and you know all that kind of stuff but what people signed for was the whole problem of the the tear downs and the others are more you know individual or anecdotal things that but i think the important thing now protected in one way or the there and we're basically the same district from characteristic viewpoint and we have no protection and so you know if you're going to do this we're hoping that you will do something you know clue sooner than later and if you have to break it into two phases i don't i think we'll be perfectly happy with that but if it turns into a well we get to spend two years discussing this rather than yes the idea is to try to find something that would be simple and straightforward and it's a basic protections and then if you know if the height issue you know it is may have to be added on waiter in a way as long as you don't these things start being built it's skews the average size and it gives people examples and they come and argue that oh wait a minute they were they did it just down the street that's right and it's a it's a tricky thing to to to argue so of encourage what you're doing here i mean to follow up with his point we we have when we take a look at a neighborhood when we do in the us or three or the general residence which has these protections in place we will you're trying to sell something you have to go for the clothes and ask if we've sold so the question is is the plane port taking on single residence be it looks like we are ok we i write that down thank you would look like if we put a version of the s r c on that how much does continuity with there be and what kind of confounding issues  think you're writing i think i think jeffrey's already talking about that he's trying to take a look at the implications of this one of you think what we're trying to avoid here is if we go forward with what that might be part b of this thing at some other time is it is the neighborhood so characteristically different i don't see a problem with with the ban conforming lot size forces you know twelve thousand i don't see an unintended problem by just having that be the case because it looks to me like that gives coverage to all the it's you know smaller lots but but the question is it what happens if we do that well the houses on the bigger lots will be happen so yeah i think i think what we need to get is we need to take a look at the end they intend want to put this and i think we need to look at the metric there of for the non conforming houses what will they look like in terms of size with the thirty percent to twenty five percent ok so how much density this is that does that create in the neighborhood well here's here's here's the issue is there's a financial cost and if there's there's that i don't want to open the door i would be concerned about opening the door to  there's a balance here i mean people people i have a right to add to their property up to a point and if you make it to restrictive everybody's going to be coming for a special permit on the shelf and it's suspect if the lot sizes are the same it would be sufficient and we haven't seen that we need examples from the what we've done for him right i mean the other thing is to see here is the balance to that is if you've got people that are moving in the into the the housing stock is old they want to invest in the housing stock and what they also want to do is they want to increase the size of it so that's part of that's part of the dynamic that's going on so you want people and invest in the town and you want people to buy houses in to neighborhood you want them to pay good price because that helps you right and you want them to be able to say well i needed another better my need a little bit more within reason  i would point out that in the people that we got signatures from there were a you know a substantial number who were our recent you know buyers in the town this was not just going back and finding people where in the town you know we've just been we knocked on doors and there were plenty of young families that signed so they have similar concerns even though they've they've body and so when we we going for them and the last time around we were all born into a neighborhood you know just part you don't buy a house you buy into an entire neighborhood and a lot of the new people who have moved to town recently are buying that small town feel of this place that's some space between the right oh i see i see yeah the twelve to seven days he was trying to get a couple of days there to step turnaround problem pushed back when we always get which so can i ask is it standard procedure at night a town meeting to meet half an hour before we always schedule it and then if we're going to have to we're going to going to do something that night we'll we'll talk about that and then sometimes something has come up and we need to vote so that's why i  the problem with that is then we have to sort of huddle and come back to better to do it before i mean we should probably do it i think we do it at six hundred and thirty writers and we should probably do it at like quarter up because it usually doesn't usually not much discussion but it's is that i think that's good does anybody have any reports that we didn't hear last time i don't think we have any minutes this time limits ok do i hear a motion to ad