not be here mr smith there where we had pretty detailed plans at that point being in the m r zoning district we went through a lot of pre application meetings and staff meetings and kind of came up with with a good coordinating our efforts to make sure we match match the roadway there the water line and other utilities will interconnect our stormwater plans if if this is a little unclear in some areas if there is any questions stormwater management is in this corner of the parcel which is the kind of the local area of the site it's there's extensive landscaping associated with it the bottom will be seeded with a kind of a wetland vegetation mix and then shrubs around the perimeter and trees more of the outside open spaces provided almost along the entire perimeter of the site to provide a nice buffer between our neighbors and this development is proposed along almost the entire perimeter of the site as well except questions i'd be glad to get an answer good question i heard there was something that said about sidewalks and more on both sides of the road side and then there's these are some sidewalk along with his well i yes exactly right and i'm glad you brought that up so sidewalks repos architecture in regard to the rear entry raja's once again you have the of the doors and windows and as you see on both elevations quite a few windows associated with within the plan and along the front and using the same type section in regard to the drive and then a lane located along through here which we have potential access to church property in the future within the center of the plan will have a large village green open space associated with the section of the plan existing policy to remain along with the plan and once again the existing drainage way plan shows the sidewalks located on both sides of the street within the main part of the plan and also the sidewalk connection over along through along the village green area and i keeping this also open for passive use and recreation use buffers along the residential portion of the opera portion of the site through here and once the instructor is associated with get into that once again side to the recall power hill road located right along through here access to the elementary school located along through here this is the existing two story brick school in the property area you mentioned the requirement is to have eighteen parking spaces we have twenty three parking spaces added to the plan so we have additional parking overall we have then what's considered the boss parking and  and fire lane located along the front of the site through here and then what we've also then added is a sidewalk all the way behind the section to always high into the front door of the existing school building now the new addition located back along through here will tie into the we will have to outdoor play areas i want to play area here the other one located right along through this section of the site those will be a synthetic type of turf looks like grass because the really what you have kids plain western pennsylvania whether they'll be able to take the abuse that's out there and really keep it as a nice clean appearance as the front of the building is also access to power of the road so we have once again those two play areas that are separated and will be fence with a six foot high kind of security fence through here we'll stop associated are all long these parking spaces through here because of the concrete walk and then required dumpster located right right along to this section now because of the way the sites harvey is we have a requirement of some walls associated change that we did do is have an access coming out of the basement area along through here for a basement more have mechanicals in the back of the building and i mean when i had the screens as part of the condition this is the view as you're driving up our hill we're seeing the three variances in regard to minimum lot size building set back in the parking adjacent to a single family residential lot once again now we receive zoning hearing board approval on november along the front with several ornamental trees shrubs and once again the wall located right along through this section parking along the end caps with a one way systems and through here plantings of evergreen tree located along this section as well as keeping some of the existing bom for this there today and then really some of the important areas once again this is the front entrance to the new school building will have a smaller fence located along this area with landscaping equally along there just once again the protection of that space too just in case of any type of mishap with the car once again trying to be protective of of both of these spaces as well as even the additional landscape borders say well we have the required size and then we have the door once again they're coming straight through along through here and really in some cases will be working with a series of different size material  that will be working within the off hours i believe one of the conditions is working in regard to the proper time now of when this could occur to use the cleanup the dumpster waste i just want to say man's land so because we have to guide reality through here this is where we put some landscaping we also then have the fence right along through that area church where there will be currently there's a church there in the corner and there's kind of a really tight turn that's going to currently there has been site distance issues and things we're actually teaching that off with the new township roadway to our center church with key and and then the new town kind of move through there so it's a smoother movement safer movement through there again that's part of a separate project but certainly part of this project as well the high school itself has two access here because it just really small a couple foot deep pools and then there's kind of rock cascading down from here to another broadcast down through here given that a natural low for the storm water while you're driving into the site kind of had that nice at this time and then this back in through here is a huge development area that's going to be left undisturbed as part of this project protection on top of that some type of fence or something on top of that there's also some conditions on the materials making sure that it all fits in with the heroes of the building so that's not a stand alone feature the trees that are kind of right up on top of the page there those are nice big existing trees part of the golf course there's a lot of really nice vegetation out there part of the golf course we're trying to maintain as me those trees as possible like that limited us a little degrading also center also that we provide some of the bigger spaces at different locations where if they need to set the truck and put the lights down that they would have enough space to be able to do that we provided all of this for them and needed that we also had to change the just the most corking we kind of go that circulation there are some additional stalls available in that some other striping within that that is during the day that's dedicated to bus only bu vegetation in between the shared room design and how they'll be left turn lanes into the primary and princes in the what were they thinking about this interview so i think we were here before i think you guys it might seem a little bit of around about the best alternative or a traffic signal with turn lanes the best alternative and either those two options from the number of the capacity standpoint or there's pluses and minuses each the number one plus and minuses it's pendants road you have to get their permission for alternately what you want to do even if everybody in this room said hey we want to round about you so if you go to penn dot and say we'd like roundabout and they say no then it's not going to be around about and they said there is no fatal flaw but you know you haven't submitted anything formally you don't have a traffic study approved you don't have design plans so there's a you know that's about as committal as you're going to get from them at this at this point until you start designing things and submitting bigger traffic studies to them to show and as we talked about here so the roadway would come up and as we're going up i think one of the things that we want to talk about is there are going to be type features but that has yet to be determined what it is we're trying to coordinate but when the when this goes the design will coordinate obviously with the schools doing on their side and with the township and the park wants to do on their side you know there may be some some locations where they're talk about tennis courts and things like that on the other side there's maybe ways that you know you might want to have a desk walking occasionally if they're going from school over to the tennis court after school  that we can incorporate things like raise pedestrian intersections and you know we don't want to do speed humps per se but there are other traffic calming things we could do with some medians and narrowings and things like that on the roadway but then also at the main intersection guys are talking about having less turn lanes because you know the school is the big traffic generator right now it's not the park's not a big traffic generator relatively speaking of the big thing to have is that each one of these internal intersections the lower one that's the  alternate the bus and staff entrance up here and then the student entrance up here if you're coming up the hill you know they'll be left turn lanes in the each one of these because down the road obviously there may be something up here and the still ten acres so we want to build a bigger road today to the what if scenario down the road we want to come back and rip something up in a couple years when the big donor know and we when i think you guys have been somewhat even heard some of the process will be gone through with the traffic i mean it one point there was a potential access right off the back here to center church that you know as we've gone through the process we've realized that's not the way to go because you the location down here and again its location is not one hundred percent certain stone i mean that we're showing that roundabout that thing could move one hundred feet in either direction and that's going to be part of the design when we get into it with that we would project coming up and turning right here just based on where the student population is a week that's another thing we did we plotted all the students versus where the school is and you know more than the almost seventy percent of the kids are living to the east talking so we're talking about in these are single lanes coming in around about here single lane coming out there would be like a right turn that would skip totally they'd still yield here on the four and but they're only healing at this point they're with this is showing here is building the roundabout completely offline from the existing existing you can see this would be that's the existing piece down there and this building it over here is there's two benefits to this one you can build this without ever stopping traffic on mcmurray until you're tied in and second when you're done and you can leave the existing mcmurry road here and do something with access here i mean this is just an initial brainstorm but there's different ways you can make a connection here maybe there's one down here this is just show when ideas of how if you leave this stretch you don't have to touch any of these driveways here basically where is the flip side if you do the signalized intersection pursue i would think that the roundabout is going to cost more because you're building you're not using any of this here you're building all this brand new so you can  it right and so that's one thing there's always a so then if you're looking out if you do like a thirty year life cycle cost on something like that yeah well if you build a roundabout it's a state road you're never going to you have to pave it you don't have to research because it's pend do but if there's a traffic light the township tones it so a traffic light may last twenty years so you have a replacement cost if you're looking out thirty years you get a twenty year replacement right now traffic lights going to cost you about two hundred thousand you know twenty years from now who knows what that will we're going to do is we're going to take center church and make that instead of making that hairpin turn around that power tower there the power lines are actually bringing the road straight in front of the church into the site so the through movement would be coming from nineteen past the church and you would keep going into the school slash park area if you wanted to come down the center church like you do today you got to actually turn at a t intersection at the top and also you have t valet book or something like out before you go there so you know that even though we're building this road and bringing it through the site and putting a roundabout or traffic light at the end of it is not going to generate all this one two hundred cars are going to magically show up on that roadway because there's just talking to the church for maybe a little tiny corner it's not in the way in the way that the property works out it would be a very small impact on their one and if there needed to be some kind of hey we can push their parking lot around  there they did that only it might go into what the traffic study revealed but tonight i'd like to hear the seriousness of the traffic study and then make a recommendation to council on how we apply condition for here so like if you could go explain what the traffic study revealed so basically we asked  warranted today or if not today in the future because of their development and you guys all know how much there's a lot of traffic on balata basically so not surprisingly in the in the afternoon peak hour today the left turn lane is warranted today and they're going to add more traffic to that left turn lane which is the gist of the whole condition and where we got to that so it's a condition that's meant to date and obviously it's still going to be met in the future when they add more traffic to it when it's all said and done and this site gets developed that it's open the number of left turns is going to increase to twenty thousand without the development there's twenty nine left turns in the afternoon that's a one hour counts and with their traffic they jump up to forty forty basic thirty eight forty so only forty forty in an hour we have so much traffic on ballard broke that the threshold to meet left turn lane because coming behind that so i'll talk in today's numbers exist they don't even talk about their additional so today right now in that one hour in the afternoon there's twenty nine cars making that left the seven hundred forty cars coming behind it trying to go and at the same time coming back at them is four hundred eighty six cars so there's over one hundred cars out there right now so it's a very low more twenty twenty nine out of the gates it jumps up to thirty with their developments and by the time they're fully open in five years out of their open that's forty people making a left turn bs so we get down to the end there you know we're saying hey need to work today it's obviously going to keep meeting a warrant with your traffic in the future for them and they're at about twenty four percent of the left turns ultimately in the pm peak hour they're going to account for twenty four percent of the it's ok in a lot of times but we don't we don't like putting and is something i definitely don't like doing is having two lanes coming out at a stop sign onto a busy road because if there's places around here we do see them but if you can ever imagine a place you've been like that you know what happened you're sitting there you're in the left side of the guys in a right he's trying to look over the past your car so he can make is right they creep up and now you can't see left so you start creeping in front of them and you guys are late you know so that's why unless  side by side lanes like that we try to put like a little triangle or splitter island so that they have a little separations they can see around each other so so unless it's a real severe capacity problem and if we have room we might do something like out with a little channel one is right but particular they they pay that six thousand into the  this traffic improvement in for our valley road be added to the traffic impact fee have food program and and as we determine that this project needs to be done and underfunded would you say it's underfunded so like we could be charging a much higher impact fee to fully fund programs we deal with the reality of what's a reasonable impact so there are the part of the program as projects on there that have a cost but there's no even impact fee money going to come in to fund some of those so that's why we have to have that we have our list of projects and the projects get prioritized behind like you're talking about what's the what's the biggest one coming up you know valley broken