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talking sports and i think kathy mentioned you guys on the show and she was like i think go by d n a that's kind of how would you just differentiate between the two of you kind of is that yeah it was a long time he's always been big then i've always been little then even though i'm bigger than a minute but yeah i know he's always been dan i've been dating i know you deads always been a pretty big guy  v high school teams this is the latest edition of the belmont citizen hero which i i know it's probably used on other programs here that iraq is on these channels but i'm holding up a newspaper because you if you've been watching our show for twenty four years you know i like to hold the newspapers even though you know this is like so basketball player well maybe the boys hockey maybe you get you know the boys basketball and the girls i but i can't remember the last time at all for not not just made the tournaments but actually had great records it's it's incredible the a lot of the tournament games coming up because it's it's that time of year it's kind of leads into march madness it's sort of the february frenzy that leads into it here these these last few days of this month but yeah so it is great to all the teams are doing well so check out the sports coverage but yes so so we move on from all the local belmont talk we have to go back it's been a couple weeks now i know in some ways it feels like it's been a couple of months because it just feels like so much as happened since super bowl fifty two but i guess we  was ten years ago like that the one losing to the giants and simple forty two hurt it hurt a lot and i never saw it coming and this one well i mean i think you have to give the eagles credit they put together you know a great game plan and they run their office ran roughshod over the past defense which you know by far you know we haue united job for many years and throughout all the games we watch this year together about the bend but don't break defense but i mean boy they broke in a big way a couple weeks ago in the apple i mean flipped the school but never happened you know and then of course the elephant in the room malcolm butler i mean everyone's kind of sick of talking about it now but you know is he able to come on and you know he's obviously not the sole difference between winning a super bowl and not winning a super bowl but you know some of those third down plays and things like that is he able to make a stop on some of those this is he able to make one of those open field tackles that you know a lot of people missed you know jay jiah breaks off for a couple big runs and com off for a couple big runs and you know is he someone that's able to come on stop those and you know all the the d b s they have i think are respectable i mean i think eric rose a respectable going about after all right at the very right after  i was a little confident that i mean that play i think is the eagles first drive where they went for jeffrey in the corner and zone and roll goes and ice break up there i was like alright maybe you can maybe you can hang with them a little bit but then you know they just started picking  from there and you know kind of went all downhill from there do you think it was a disciplined thing do you think it was a hey we know you're going to leave so screw you you know you know that the final the final outcome you leave it anyway you don't want to be here you think you're going to get all the money so you know what biggest game of the year i have a c you know because i tell you what if i'm a g m and i'm thinking about signing this guy i want to know what happened and i want to know the truth and i want to know why you didn't play that game and i don't want to hear any you know coaches just sit in there's a reason why innocent did you screw up did the patriots stick it to you what but i'm not going to sign up for the kind of money he's looking for unless i know why a guy who plays ninety eight percent of the snaps all year plays one snap of the super bowl on special teams you know it's an interesting four year run when you think about the career the knockabout was how the patriots and we have a couple pictures that kind illustrate you know of course we go back to super bowl forty nine here is the son draft a free agent coming in as an extra defensive back and of course i know we've seen this play from many times and we've seen it from many angles i tried to bring you a new angle this is one i don't think we've used this photo before so that's of course the now let's fast forward here we are three three years later and this is what we saw malcolm butler and that's him that's where he spent the whole game with the exception of one play on special teams that he was he just stood there on the sidelines never got into the game and you're right how it's very bizarre that he would go from someone who play ninety eight percent of the snaps all year to suddenly shut down there's been some reports out in recent days i guess devin mccourty was you know reporters were talking to him and he came out and said well you know we i think when he said we might have meant the captain some of the senior players on the team were aware that malcolm was not going to start in the we knew all week he said he said they always do you also i think said they were aware he wasn't going to start i don't think the world where he wasn't going to you know were going to move from the spot that we just saw him at in that photo you know off the bench and so that that's the curious part of this i don't think it is discipline though the more i'm hearing about this see it i know we don't want to hear this and we're never going to get the real truth because the only person who knows the actual truth is bill bell a check and i don't think he's going to tell anybody until he's long retired but i just think you know he said it was a you i'm doing what's best for the football team and i think ultimately he saw a lot of what we saw all season how he where malcolm butler would get beat him on plays and he decided to take a chance with eric rowe you know against some of the taller receivers and ultimately it didn't work out and you know unfortunately so you ended up with this but if we go ahead there is the man you know there he is the best answer for this and i think i don't want to say i'm going to go back to that but whatever happened there that is what caused it because if they kept is that we was going to start all week right the whole thing with me is all right what happen at the beginning of that week he didn't fly all with the team so if the guy's got the flu and he doesn't fly on the team i don't see that's why he wouldn't play something happened there whatever it is i think and that's and for the record if you did have you know if you had the flu i think it was a smart thing to keep tomorrow maybe that's part of the media as well and i think that's why i'm saying i think what happened at the beginning of that week again that we'll never know is what transpired the the end result yeah i mean i honestly hope you know whatever it whatever it was i don't know it must have been huge for him to not play the entire game because i'm sitting there watching on my couch and i'm pulling what little hair i have out you know like when as we all feel when there's this guy coming into the game because you're just getting burned on every play like there you know thirty yard touchdowns you know that that touchdown to climb in third any teen learning  when is enough enough and just put him in so i have another photo here really quick just to say this is the whole trickle down effect of malcolm butler not playing someone like patrick chung who you know again most of the year was playing more of a hybrid linebacker safety type in this game he was playing slot corner for the majority of the time and he hadn't really been doing that all year this was kind of what he played the first time around when he's with the patriots back and they didn't end well at exactly exactly and this is good right so good putting him back into this position probably not a smart idea and that's pretty much i have is a just think whatever whatever he did must have been and like you said we'll never know but it must have been extremely significant because if i'm going on you know you hear all these reports you know some people are saying you know he got caught with marijuana things like that and i'm like if it's something or he got into the argument with the coach you got in an altercation with a coach and things like that i'm like does does that really sticking it to him we're going to address you know you're going to come out and you know going to play exactly and i hope it's not what you said where it's we're sticking it to you because you're going to leave and you don't want to be here i would hope they would be a little bit above that and say you know the team is bigger than this one person and you know we as a team we need to play him because they'll give us the best chance to win and not just gotta get that pride all high and mighty we're going to stick it to you on the way out the door and i mean i again i don't i don't team and that situation i have a problem with that i mean if there was something disciplinary involved where you know welcome but we're broke team rules i mean this is a situation where you know the recent bill bell a check has helped bring the patriots five super bowls is because this is the kind of coach he is there are team rules you break these rules and you are punished for them now in an attempt to try to answer your question as to why did they just why did they even to write on the bench when they could have sent him home i think that just goes to speak to how paper thin the patriots depth is on defense or it has been in the latter half of the season that i think had you know weather was bad or most of your were gilmore if someone had gone down during that game then you would have seen malcolm butler in there the other we don't know for certain but they were played on special teams there was only one punt in the game by the eagles of the patriots and punted all i'm wondering has there been more punts in the game we might have seen more of him it's just the way the game played out and the fact that they didn't want to play him at all on defense which again is still strange we probably would have seen more of my i think it was a lot of things that added up to you know i think if i remember correctly one of those bill belichick said after the game was it's kind complicated when he was asked point blank like why didn't but reply i mean if he did break curfew and if he did get caught with pot if you told me that i'd say fine then i'd say ok the rules are the rules because if you let him to dress at all maybe nine out of ten coaches would have done that but to bell the checks credit even though maybe this is maybe he's been mad at the way comported himself this year leading into his free agency but at the same time bell a check is not going to throw this player under the bus like come right out and say oh that's what he did you know and that's the reason why belichick is the coach he is and he's and he's been responsible for five super bowls with the patriots i mean i think that goes to speak that way that he's not going to you know despite whatever he might personally feel about i say earlier if they'd just made one stop exactly to flip the score yet maybe if they put him in for a series he could have made the one stop that might a flip it exactly you know and yet you know when the patriots were down by five well over two minutes left and brady in the often got the ball back and they actually did kind of make a stop in that instance or they least help to a field goal we all were anticipating that brady was going lead the team down the field but then came brandon graham the only time the entire game either team was able to get in on the quarterback and in you know sack the quarterback in this case brady loses the ball the only patriots turnover the game but it came at the worst possible time far as i was concerned the game ended here i know the patriots to get the ball forty yard line so you know you're not even going ninety yards are going to be like you know sixty or seventy at the most so yeah i mean this is just you know it's credit to the graham for coming up making a big play at a big time which i get it kind of you looked at it you just you didn't quite expect sense but you know because they really to play creek i mean brady had a great game you know there's no question but you know if there was anything that happened it was just missed opportunities early in that game where they had opportunities for points  school but then you also had you know the attempts at some trick plays that didn't work either with brady i mean he went wide open i mean there was nothing in front of him but the ball is slightly overthrown and again i think that my thought when i saw this play happening line was he's forty years old i know tom versus time he's pliable as heck i know all that he's still forty years old you're asking an awful lot of a guy who also doesn't run pass patterns as part of his regular job like stretch out and make this catch if that's a regular receiver yes he should make the catch it's tom brady he's forty years old he's a quarterback and as we know he's you know and then come to find out after the game that the the philadelphia play was in a little formation yeah again i can't believe the series catching that touchdown pass but but the original play was the receiver who i think might have been on jeffrey i think he was lined up a couple years past but one of the officials i guess who talked to him before they were going to snap the ball in the official almost kind of like did off he said well you're fine where you where you're at and in essence technically i guess if he'd been like a step within a step of the line of scrimmage but i guess he was too full steps behind the line of scrimmage which technically did make it in the legal formation and so the play never should've count officials kind of you know gave them permission to call them at judgment call idle penalties could be judge well if you're in a legal formation what's the judgement you're either informed you're either in a legal formation or you're not and i don't think that should be a judgment call know this but i mean whatever i mean you know still i think you got to give credit to the eagles coach it also gives them well even just that play that was not one of their normal trick plays that's not play a that they ran all year they actually  went doug peterson the eagles coach was looking at game film of green bay in chicago and saw that play packers spirits game and thought he tried that because you know what and again this just goes to the great coaching efforts by peterson and his staff he knows that he's got to you know you've got to play this game not to lose when you're going up against brady bell check in the patriots like atlanta the right one and you also realize you can even run your own trick plays because guess what i want us coaching staff knows all your trick plays so what did you do you ran a trick play you didn't run you read someone else's trick play covered fold he was wide open on this play i mean again just kind of speaks to the coverage of the woeful coverage paid to settle game that was just a perfect example of why they lost i mean that this went with everything that happened there you know i mean not only w get beat in the defensive backfield we're not getting a rush we're not in the blitz much they couldn't get a sack and then they let a quarterback catch a ball on a trick play no one's covered him i mean it's just it was just one thing after another i was like we were two tenths they were and that's what happened the giants a year it's like we were worried about going one thousand in no and i think at that point they were trying to play not to lose the game and i think they almost kind of went into that with this when we was philadelphia was footloose fancy free they didn't care we got nothing to lose let's just go for a penis and did that all year aggressive play calling you know so i think that that helped the team to be decided on sort of like let's go for it you know  get his confidence up and he got comfortable and you know they got role in that trick play i mean i was kind of it was almost as if when i was watching it was like slow motion because a sudden he got off and went up to his lime and started tapping and i was like all right this could be a direct make over the shoulder catch but still that that was tough and when that happened i was kind of like all right they're they're feeling it they're confident you know we got to watch out and go back to you said i'd have been you know two minutes little bit too many it's time out to two minute warning i know we all like oh yeah here we go but you know when i kept looking at kathy saying you know how many times is this guy going to be able to pull this off how many times is he going to be able to do that you know because he can't do it every time i mean we love to see it it happens come pretty close yeah god always you know but it's like how many more times you know and it just the way this game when it's  you know i just don't think he's going to pull it off this time you know you just i just didn't feel it if not for brandon graham's play that he would have had a shot i mean you would have felt pretty confident then the only concern might have been you know maybe they would score too quick and left time on the clock and obviously you know they were what we were back in super bowl thirty six you have to back the clock sixteen years they were looking for their first super bowl and they did it with a coach in the second season doug peterson he comes up and does the job and you know again just he's an the eagles were down ten points with like six minutes left you know and recall the game that way and and again despite you know philly leading most of the super bowl you can see peterson ever slowing the game down or you know every time they needed a play you know they would go for it i they needed to you know when they could have forced upon and philly only punted once in the game they just you know it's that was that was the biggest problem you know what happened i think ultimately injuries to guys like hightower and the like i think just caught up to him at the end i mean it's just it was too much and you know you can say what you want to but butler and i know we have here but we didn't have a great season by any standards i mean he got picked on a lot of probably would have picked out a lot of this game by some of the taller you know receivers like the second half when you want to show it off your you know what you're getting constantly torture i mean you need to make some kind of change and let someone on the bench you you could have inserted in who you know is this is an established starter and could have you know maybe made a difference somewhere and you know i guess we'll after the other the other hero super bowl because i was the one it should have been deflated in except you know just where but i was just this monday that monday i was like junk and all right i didn't have to work really quick here in the days after the super bowl there was a continued kind of circus going here very weird at the at literally i can even say at the eleventh hour i think it was eleven fifty nine and fifty nine seconds i mean what's worth about the strike at midnight and mcdaniels does a total one eighty and comes back to the patriots supposedly he had a sit down  you know the tuesday you know two days after the super bowl i guess bob and jonathan kraft are talking to him rumors are ballot checks supposedly my to talk to and ask them to to stick around and i mean what's you i mean what's your take on our business is i mean is there is this proof that may be bellick checks future now is very finite in and that mcdaniels even though they said he wasn't promised a future head coaching job with the team that that's what these groups i mean what do you make of all of this and he just changed his mind i'm not going to indianapolis i think that there's anything wrong with messing with the colts speaking of late as they have been i think it is i think that bella checked if i already i thought he'd already say he's gone but if he maybe a year or so maybe gravity as i look i think i'll be around him much longer you know it's a perfect opportunity for you to stay here it comfortable you know the ownership you go to you go to the cult ers say he's a loose jack i i don't know but it might be thought process would listen everything is that i think he got all the rules and i think that pissed him off i think he wanted he wanted to go on because he's always got rid of a guy year or two before they're ready and all the sudden the team went to a spiral because all of a sudden the agent interest just caught up to him and they were done and he sought to rob lowe as that bridge over that and he was forced to get rid of him and they only got a second round of farm i mean i mean he g away cleveland was offered on the poem choices i mean and then oh no it was heard from people in cleveland you know but why would you not take that it was almost like well a check at that point say my hand's been forced you know what i'm going to skip away you know at this point i guess i go back to you know i think that just the timing of the hole in getting here is that we have a picture garage below here celebrating his newfound contract see that he's got the two fingers up saying he brady i make twice as much as you now kno he doesn't really make twice as much but he's making a lot certainly right now he's the highest paid quarterback in the n f l which is crazy for seven career starts but here's the thing i mean i just thought the timing you know i've said this we've been saying this for months you're trading it at the midpoint of last season when you could have held out on the whole year if you know here you are at the end of the season and you could just slap the franchise tag on him and then tried to trade him in no obviously i guess you run the risk if you couldn't trade and then you're stuck with him and at that huge franchise number maybe maybe belichick was actually afraid that was going to happen but look there was a market out there for garage so i think even if you slap the tag on someone would've taken him for it was only my early death because yeah i mean they don't have to pay him that the team goes to dave can they have the right to negotiate a deal long term deal know and they could have done something like that and they did that with cassel i mean matt cassel it's not the franchise tag on him and then ultimately trade him to kansas city so they could've done something similar here again that's why i thought belichick would at least wait till the offseason do it the fact he did it i guess he wanted to control the where he was going to the super bowl in their own nine and that includes brady now twice because ten years earlier and you know it also led the league in passing yes right that to that what's another curse that's a no one six one that's all time that's not just since one thousand nine hundred that's forever you lead the league in passing you've been to six super bowls the league leading passer your own six that's it you know when you don't win the game so we should've known that right there we thought that brady be the got a buck that trend big base base everything else he's bucked his career but you know it just yeah you just  has always been one to let them go even if they're playing well you know and just you know go all of the next guy because he knows within a year or two things are going to change you know that's always been the a philosophy it always has been francisco but it's it's about the seems that will see here's a shot in play as a shiny toy that you're talking about they went to a team that didn't want a game and he brings them in wins by a little rope yet so i mean that's not being a shiny toy that's saying this guy can play he played when he played here when he filled in for brady won two games he goes with a team that hasn't won a game all year and wins five in a row and i felt i had a history of guys i couldn't for some reason the name scott mitchell is forever etched in my mind as backup quarterback to come in look good for a few games nick foles is going to be getting that soon you know most of what is philadelphia let's all go the team they will with no but then no but like they do well and then they sign did they play well for a few games with their team and then they'll become a was thirty years old this year it's the thirtieth anniversary of the tom cruise character briggs he gives a great line in that movie goes you know everything has to end everything ends badly otherwise it wouldn't end and you know ultimately i guess after eighteen years you know there's a little there world wrestling entertainment he makes more as a football player but i go but it'll probably get hurt more wrestling it will play in football yeah but that's all staged as we know it when i don't know why it's it's been pre determined but still a lot of stunts that have to be done a lot of moves that have to be done i don't care how stage you didn't let me pick you up and slim you down and you're back six seven nights a week but three or four months in tell me how you get back doesn't hurt to tell me that he is sold on the wrong way only the suplex your neck twisted a little bit it may be a predetermined ending but you try do it it's all calculated stunts and stunts go wrong at least he'd see though most of those coming on like you know some of the hits he takes that we got to a photo of him of course what a great super bowl he had over a hundred yards and receiving let the team in target said nine catches had a touchdown you're actually caught two touchdowns haven't you know just i hope you know i believe me i i want you to be right the injuries mounted up because again the fake it is it's physically enduring but also they give you i mean a lot of i'm just saying with the wrestling you have more time to recover to i mean i think they will set you up so  nights a week they go in from city to city to city if you're if you're if you get involved in an accident wrestling or you got hit the wrong way with a suplex they'll give you a long time off to recover you know whereas you know you don't get that you know in the n f l you got the silly award the same luxuries  deserve with the ceremony itself what you think of it again no we have a nice photo here from the from the retirement ceremony pierce oystein number thirty four of the rafters he mentioned might be the last time in a while which brought up  those guys other than reggie lewis and he even played along that got him that did only retired number up there that hasn't won a championship either exactly i mean it was you know although most of those guys up there won multiple champion i think pierce was one of the first ones that only got there with one championship so you put a guy that's been here for twenty they rented him for three years maybe if you put his number up there and put it into the fact that we could also to trap explorer well and that is that the ultimate paul pierce like a see here the fact that i mean you know he won have got to eastern conference finals i want to show must have been at they were game three down twenty six points the nets at the time it was i think it might still be the biggest playoff comeback in history that is i think there highlighted that was actually at that game that was a point what an incredible comeback speak which could you believe home she go put stop put names up to like the when the ring a frame or whatever but how about quick thoughts on the twenty eight hundred celtics this current club and i can't believe i'm saying this but they must marcus smart the defense is really i mean their defense been playing patriots super bowl fifty two like lately not because they're not making a lot of stops these guys are their opponents are making lots of shots and it seems to go back to smart i can't believe one guy playing a really great defense seems to trigger well everybody else would bradley i mean he was one guy but the last few years he's defense team you know but not is that think a lot of the young kids are hitting the wall i mean this is just you know i mean you have a time when you're right i'm not that worried right now that they're not playing well i'd rather have them do this now and then you know in a couple months you know they're going to play and i mean people are saying i mean people are saying all star break a good time a good time everything but i'm also like you know they started kind of sliding after their london trip and they got five days off before and five days off after so people are kind of saying you know the schedule schedule is a little tough but like you said i think that they've just kind of hit the wall jason tatum's come down to earth hopefully he kind of you know i don't think he's going to go back to leading the league in three point percentage like he was earlier this year but if you can climb that back up a little bit you know averaged thirteen points a game or whatever is averaging in jail and browns search and a little better and you get smart back and i think honestly i is a pretty good addition to say you know kind of leaves a little bit to be desired on the defensive end but he can rebound he can score i think that second unit needs some scoring punch they've been kind of dry rosier had that little run but they've got to driv themselves and we've got a picture of monroe here yeah greg monroe yeah you know he day definitely something with the with the second team and i think he can provide it i don't know if he really fits into the rest of what they want to do although i guess at least he's kind of a you know post up kind of guy where everyone else wants to run so it will be interesting to see what happens because now the buyout that yeah you know veterans that are going to get bought out of the contract and become free agents think they have to move on some of these guys pretty quick do i think that window of time well i don't think so on it and it's very quiet you know you don't hear anything about it yeah you know so i think there were teams that i would say you know watch out for well i have the notes right here let's see bruins they started the season six seven and  four and since november fifteenth after losing to anaheim that night they have gone thirty one six in four so the first six weeks of the year five weeks of the year they lost seven games and since the middle of november they've lost six games he's the brady plan and i mean this guy is on the brady played before yeah no i mean he's you know again he's another forty year old is not playing like that i mean you know what you know what i think's a big thing in this you know in the bruins is they have some balance with i don't have the games but i mean his the one last look and dominant and his his goals against is phenomenal compared i what it was last year michel yes so i think that's helping too because that's keeping ras fresh that's security definitely and i think it's you know bruce cassidy really kind of heralded but what he's doing with mixing in the youth with the veterans this year i don't think really no one expected this i think people expect you mean never done really would never have done that i think people were hoping they could sneak into the playoffs while developing some of these young kids but for him to ride out these kids and mcavoy brusque and high and then grades like i mean to go with two rookies and one second year guy on your defense every night you know takes a lot of it's a lot on him speaking his confidence in them and i think you know he's let them go and he's trusted them and they've you know they've rewarding and played right to play at the level they're playing at too and of course let's not forget future bruins current olympia look at the world juniors and the skill level that's on display in there and you know i don't give your i totally get you want the veteran leadership you don't want to trust the olympics with you know all these young guys in a day and age like this  because at least you know the red sox seem to be negotiating against themselves and they they still got him for a relative bargain it's a front loaded contract five years one hundred ten million i know you know his agent wanted seven years and two hundred ten million so i feel like in some ways the red sox got a bargain here but you know either this is a guy who last year had forty five home runs between detroit in arizona and the weird part is as i said the red sox were bidding against themselves why wasn't there more of a market for th sky that would be the only thing i guess i'm a little i mean is he going to help the red sox lineup yes he should the guy could hit home runs and for a team lacking them but i'm a little wondering why there wasn't anybody else out there other than arizona w guys get to boston and they can't deal with the pressure on the media fanbase i mean you can't go anywhere and boss you can't go out to dinner well someone coming up to you can't go to the store whereas in arizona sure you know it s about when a figure exactly what they said but they asked him about like his reaction does he like playing for boston and you know when that when they boo him and stuff he's like yeah you know you're except that because when you're winning you have the whole world beyond you and you know it's the greatest feeling in the world so you accept that you know if you're not performing well you know you along those lines where he said i was like you know that that's the kind that attitude i want i don't want this price you know bombed out there boston hates me the world hates me just one of thank the hardworking crew i know i've been putting them keeping them in their paces tonight we specially that lightning around the last fifteen minutes where we were changing topics up on the fly there but they did a great job and how you always do a great job and i want to thank danny