and applied the offensive chemicals to the lia and had called the corporate officer was not personally liable because he didn't exercise day to day control so  findings i think just i think you can ignore them with respect to the board's findings it's important that were found in favor of the primes and five counts of person are we telling the mayors of illinois and the engineers of illinois that if they signed these things they could be liable to because they made the same certification is that the primes finally it's kind of occurre you did i did i answer a question or a yes or no level and it's not really an exact science can remember what the purpose of the circulation is the government uses it to prepare a report that says how much capacity does illinois as a whole have as it landed in landfill capacity so it's not like we're measuring this thing to the exact you know cube you are in also there was no way anybody could look at that form or walk around the leaf throw or drive around  that was submitted by my dad my own guys in the two thousand program imprecation where they identified the potential for all ride by ten feet in other words the only active participation or person involved was when they were notified by the state that when on do a survey find out that it was ten feet high and the record indicates they order jim palmer to start removing waste off the tower so their active expansion into new territory but that's not correct and none of that reflects what happened in this case here the board looks at the c j r standard and that's a case that instructs that engineers making the representations yeah this is over height by four hundred seventy five thousand cubic yards and it's going to cost us nine hundred fifty thousand dollars to move it so this is all evidence role in making the decision and there's no requirement in the act they had a board member actually attend so we're looking at is the board's evaluation of all of the evidence and whether the board's evaluation the evidence was against me just wait the two more basic point here which is that credibility really isn't an issue because i really doesn't mean the and that's exactly what happened in this case we didn't have to put it in the garage or in the buildings where problems became aware of that as it was no evidence that they knew about it and then said go ahead and philip higher when they became aware of this they ordered capacity it's like a moving target so no hold them responsible for this you know ten feet over right i'm not saying it's not a serious violation but the whole them personally responsible remember the corporation i'm not arguing that they shouldn't be c r j but this would be the first time there would be any pronouncement of personal liability if the board's horrors of hell without a finding and that person actually operated the site or actively participated in the violation like i said to say that the primes from sixty miles away across we knew that this thing was five hundred eighty one feet or five hundred eighty two feet or five hundred ninety feet until somebody advise them  viable corporation and it certainly doesn't establish personal liability this is a commingling this is doing business who they want to sign the checks strangers i mean these are this is it is who are upset gas who signs the checks and guess what they