after that we typically close the public hearing and deliberate you're welcome to stay for those deliberations but there is no opportunity for further public comment for those not wishing to stay you may call city hall after eight thirty tomorrow morning to learn the result to eighty three us sixteen sixteen point one thousand nine hundred young representing the thirty form churches wrecked requesting a special exception to install a six foot fence enclosure to the side property line along the along the side street then and then is permitted at two eighty three west six six sixteenth street designing board of appeals may approve this application if certain conditions are met thirty nine dash four  five b in thirty nine dash one ninety seven twelve do we have an applicant to talk about the application you yes to all strong representing third church i believe you said six foot fence and the drawing you have been given represents a five foot fence the original application the application was written requesting a six foot fence ok so you look at the drawings of what you have to present what we can look at either but not both  again we are looking at a solid fence to provide privacy to the backyard and safety for the occupants of the house and we don't always know who the occupants may be or if they will inclu children but we have to plan for both because this is a part of our housing ministry we also would like to have the backyard shielded from the public view so that should an occupant have it not in pin perfect order that it does not provide a bed view from the people driving by so those are the purposes as you look at the picture now before you use see a young tree about a four inch diameter and  perp oses position of the fence would be about two feet to the left of that tree and it would continue to the house past that sidewalk your left where the fence would meet the garage now the one drawing that you have in my description in my mind no two dan described it as a vinyl fence we intend for it to be a solid wood a solid white fence i just got some final estimates and i haven't yet presented those to the committee but i see a pos pull loops there because they may say well we don't have the funding for that with a an engineer an architect and i master gardener on the committee i don't want to speak in a way that limits third choice this so it could be a slightly different color that harmonizes well with the house i'd leave it up as a possibility for you ok for today's meeting as opposed to when i appeared before you initially they show the line of sight because they were all strong safety concerns expressed by the commission or the board and they give you a line of sight from two different positions of the driver one when they are closer to the garage and the second one when the back of the car is almost up to the sidewalk and that line of sight gives to i think sixty three feet you may remember we had some questions last time it's the same the same group if you could just one is this a corner lot it's just some of the guidelines we need to review is the fence compatible with the surrounding neighborhood properties the proposed i would surely say yes ok ok and then the one question adequate site distance is there adequate site that takes you i haven't measured but i was say half way between the front face of the house and the sixteenth street sidewalk oh no i'm sorry i'll take that back because i was looking at the sidewalk but the curve but even so i think i'm correct am i not dan i'm sixty i'm sorry i didn't bring one with me corner to the sidewalk that corner by the car in the picture there actually is look at the other one the end from from that one right here by the car to have the sidewalk that about fifteen feet to me like twice that maybe ten feet like you had on the carson scale but if you look at the forty two foot dimension just eyeballing yeah i do i make sure we get it described right in the findings of fact and then the other question would be the dimension from that there where it has a corner by the sidewalk to the driveway you know you know how far back that corner is from the driveway where dan just drew no again and i would only estimate  using the five foot shown on there  go to get this forty five forty two foot line so after showing up maybe he said the ones twelve feet from the driveway the other is ten feet from the sidewalk we've got some dimensions in there that are going to be real to determine before the installation of this fence if they can stake it out we can make that determination based on the dimensions that they have now so if you want to improve this configuration we can determine it without those as long as the the approval is based on the submitted drawings we can take those dimensions the twenty five feet measured to the middle of the sidewalk in this particular picture raj run a string line along the fence and we need to be twenty five feet from the driveway ok thank you thank you all right do we have anyone to speak in favor of the ok anyone to speak again itself is consistent with the drawing as presented here that includes the fence been solid and then also the sightline distances as measured by inspection and no higher than five feet