love to this is surely and i'm not kidding my cousin vinny right here and then he so much dog trainer he's worked with me with my god tucker and he brought his dog along with him today tail absolutely thank you for introducing this is  she's my supernaut pup and she's here along for the ride today and rescued dante veneers operator and owner of say it once and say it once dog training which i think is kind of coal yes sir that's what you want to do is say it well that is the end goal that the final product it wants and that's not always easy to do that with that with a dog and he takes a lot of time and a lot of patience but with a good plan in place it is possible so what started you to become a trainer well i was it was never intended when i was younger so seventeen eighteen i want to play hockey i moved out chicago got injured and couldn't play hockey anymore and circumstances i ended up staying with my uncle and who was dog training and it just caught my eye and for me it was like the coolest thing ever to watch somebody be able to chase dogs behavior for the better and then that change everybody else's behavior around it was smoke one door shut on me and then a second door opened and thankful that it did sound like a passion with you oh absolutely it's the greatest thing on the planet there's nothing worse than having a dog that that isn't trained in my opinion that is true it's it's not healthy for the dog and it's extremely unhealthy for the household is it true vinnie that you really train the owner you train the owner there's no doubt about that one yeah the dog takes twenty percent of your time and then dealing with a stubborn human takes about eighty percent of the time because we all have these ideas of how we should respond with our dog or how how they should react absolutely and that's where we kind of have our fall is we treat our dogs more like human beings rather than dog it doesn't mean you don't love your dog i love my dog more than i love anything else on the planet but i also recognize that she's a dog and she has dog needs as i am a human and i have human needs but if we if we miss characterize them wrong right from the get go we'll never going to have a healthy ration relationship between our dog exactly or a safe one for the dog yes it can pull any better so what is the main reason people come yeah to get your service absolutely and so the main the main issue that we see and the number one issue that almost every dog in america has is a sense of boredom is anxiety you can see all these dogs are over excited they're living in a state where it's like they drink coffee all day long and they're bouncing around like this and every time you see a dog whether it's in public whether it's you just walk into a house they're always over stimulated they're always over excited and anxious and what we have to learn to do is how do we break that habit how do we calm a dog down naturally and not have to use medication and this show is about natural pro choice yes sensible approaches to life yes our animals are perfect for ourselves yes so it's great to hear you say that so well that anxiety yes leads other problems yes elite exactly so somebody will call me say they my dog chewing my dog is humping or spinning or jumping or stealing the socks or pulling on  leash that's the problem or come fix it exactly the dogs barking and whining that's not the problem the problem is the dogs bored and anxious this is the outcome of our problems because of that one issue we're dealing with fifteen other outcomes of the problem but you don't want to fix the go always going someplace always doing this oh absolutely and that to me is not a good fit for the home although you know knowing rose and that her dogs of the past and how much he cared for them love them i know she is somebody that that's an animal lover yes you want to dog we got to be realistic about how much time we have for the dog so rose stream we busy no doubt about it but every second that she has spending with a dog she does it in a productive manner it's not that you need to spend twenty four hours a day with your dog obviously that be the best life of all time but we need to spend productive time with our dogs to drain energy anxiety to make sure our dogs are calmer and well behaved that's the most important part but yeah it's for the first two months it's a full time job  a lot of work and no one tells you how much time and work that it is especially if you're the main caretaker of the dog but as long as you're willing to make your sixteen hour days seventeen hour days that's ok we're going to build a healthy relationship with our dog as long as we drain the energy and anxiety that's why the first thing i did after i got my guy was call my cousin vinny because i wanted to make the best use of my time i didn't want to waste a moment because i didn't have a moment to spare yeah because this dog particularly this parade loves to greet people by jumping up and then nibbling and not really biting but still it has gives that impression and i remember my neighbor would come over with their grandson and i didn't want to frighten the little boy and i want my neighbor to come to my house and feel comfortable coming to my house so that was one of the first things i discussed with the knee and what was the solution so it's all about a regimen right we need a system in place the first thing that we talked about this anxiety you know every dog deals with it on certain level puppies deal with it on a way of they're like a roller coaster when they're down here everybody loves them and then when they're full of energy up here it's like we're ready to pull our hair out so we gotta start doing some sort of exercise what our misconception with exercise is what's gets us in trouble we believe exercise between the human and the dog is the same and it's not you know for a dog exercise has nothing to do with physical exertion which for me it's all it is whether i bike ride i jog i run i just exert myself until i'm exhausted but realistically who could do more exercise me or this dog is that all day long i would never be able to do enough to get him tired so how do we get our dogs tired what is exercise so mental mental stimulation will always outweigh physical exertion the more you make them walk you watch most people walk their dog how does it go their skin down the road right the dogs we've been back and forth and when we're walking down the road and our dogs in control how are they supposed to pay attention to anything they're not what makes the dog tired is when they walk behind us and they look up at us like  we need our dog to want to follow we don't want to dog to want to lead but we don't want we also don't want to get in a world where we're punishing our dog to get this behavior we want it through peer leadership and having them focus on us and there's a fine line between that and that's why you call  classes observed that people want to smack him with the paper or do the the dog nose into the dog to yeah i sit there and i just shake my head the dog's not smart enough to understand at that moment well it's a it's it's not a good method to begin with absolutely it's a negative method exactly and yet this is being presented and it's fabulous to hear you saying something so we need both we need a balanced form of training so when a dog does something right you reward it now want to dog does something wrong there does need to be a correction but the correction cannot make the dog to the point where they don't want to follow you anymore there's a fine line between those two and that's what we have to figure out and that's positive or can be as simple as a  on my side dish and outreach as they go but i would just much prefer to have a relationship with my dog where they know what's expected of them they know at the end of the day they're going to get rewarded when they do things right so i would much rather do it right every time is there a difference between training a dog ideology behind the training and what we fall into a trap and the most the time when i see a small dog their worst behaved in the large dogs the small dogs and we treat them more like a stuffed animal than a dog which is something that we also cannot do  obviously you're going to be you would be nowhere near as as firm with small docs and as you would be with with a st bernard at that point it's just not healthy you know not at all but we need to make sure that we have control of both dogs no matter what and training a puppy big difference in training a puppy in training say a dog that you rescues five years absolutely there's no doubt about it so when you deal with a puppy we have no issues we have a puppy they don't know any of the rules and boundaries at which we have to teach so when you deal with a dog who say a year and a half old we got from a rescue so i rescued gina i rescued her about nine months old when i saw her she already had behavioral issues you know she jumped up on people she would malvern bite people when they come in not out of malicious manner  and that's what we don't understand is our dogs are in a position to hurt somebody that's unacceptable we can't live like that right so you know you have to make sure that you are in complete control for not just my safety not just her safety but for all of these people's safety when we walk around the classroom as well so you train to walk on a lead yes any specific type of lead there's there's about there's a few types of collars that you would use so the first thing that people use is called a or most people use as a harness so almost everybody you see out walking the dog uses a harness but what we don't realize is we created a harness for the dog to pull it was meant for dogs to pull weigand sled on every car but it makes them feel very competent you watch a dog pull with a harness on and they're the ability to control the top of the head rather than the body gives us the ability for the dog to look over at me rather than back behind me like a r c a later we want to make sure that they're on an even keel with us not all the way behind us are not all the way in front of us she would see this dog walking down the street she would go nuts ok so do i do so there's a few things that we gotta do ok so the first thing is we gotta make sure we're getting the dog into the right state of mind so at that moment who's in control you are your dog when you're walking and she's freaking out towards this dog most she thinks she is no doubt about it and that's something that we can't have happen we got to get that state where our dog is following so before we introduce the dog we've got to fix the more important step we've got to get our dog to follow us on that leash because this is a leash reactivity issue we're dealing with the dog in this is almost every person i see deals with this on a minor extent our dog sees a dog they puff up their chest and they react accordingly to that before we add the dog into the equation before you add stimulus fix it without stimulus then you add in one two three four now we can start to have our dog well behaved around all these other dogs the first part that we got to do make the dog follow on a leash we would use a little slip color if needed we would go down the road we fix that walk then we bring in our equate our stimulus to the equation and we would correct from there if need be we reward when the dog is right we correct when the dog is wrong within five ten fifteen minutes what happens i would much rather look at you and get rewarded didn't have training they had abuse and neglect you know but but they i think i honestly believe they pick up your energy your energy absolutely your thoughts and your energy and you can convey that there's no doubt about it and i  realize that and with your experience binney i had a holistic visionary and from san diego tell me i had a dog with separation anxiety so i think i had four dogs at the time and i was traveling a lot so she would see the suitcase and then you could see her personality change and she would start shaking and doing her little thing and he said to me visualize i would tell her up see it a few days ok well what's that mean the road they are few days i'll see exactly my dog doesn't get that no and he said visualize th the sun coming up and then the moon and then the sun in the moon in the sun in the moon and send that to our i thought ok wacko you know i did that and i and i honestly that dog went on her bed and went to bed ir language is body language in pure energy they know when we're sick they know when we're nervous when we're upset when we're frustrated but they don't know what tuesdays you know so there's a there's a giant difference between brain power and instincts in their instincts are out of training every day which now gives us a little bit more of our dogs in a state of what he would what would you like me to do now we got rid of all the energy possible and guess what he still nibbles because it was a learned behavior now we had to correct them now at this point we used  a correction method in this we took a very old trick now this is something that should be done only when directed by a professional this isn't something that you just do just because we took proper steps first then we took up the old our word no and what people start to get into the habit of is we use fifteen different words stop leave it don't jump please for the love of god stop doing that just use one word the word is the same for everything the word is no the word is the word don't you can see the reaction they go crazy and we teach them when somebody comes into the house what state of mind should you get into over excited it should be a big deal that someone walked in if you teach your dog that it's a big deal when you come in and then you try to bring in a guest two hours later why would it be a big deal when they come in we've already learned we've taught our dog to learn behaviors that front door opens and somebody walks in you freak out and you go crazy now when you walk into the house what i don't want people to do is i don't want them walking to be like hey can you please ignore my dog or his interest now just walk right in and act like you're going to do it yeah every day for the rest of your life because guess what you're going to do it every day for the rest of your life and then as soon as they get calm like this what are you going to do  well so what we do with our dogs is there's no limit to the amount of affection that you give there's just a limit on when you should give it when you walk into the door and then they're going crazy and jumping up don't reward that behavior they completely acknowledge and you walk past them and then the sooner they get into the state of mind that we would prefer you give them all of the affection in the world but at that stage what if she's in a calm submissive state and that's and that's the right state of mind for a guest to have when they come o part is not teaching the old dog new tricks the old dog can learn whatever you're willing to do the harder part is can the human break their habits and now shane when they do because what we do is what creates dog issues all of our or all of our dogs mistakes come from us and that's something that we have to realize it's not like one day my dog just said well you know what because you're wearing green today i'm going to go choose no they there's a breakdown here you can always teach a dog as long as the human is willing to learn and that's the hardest part it does require some effort on your part there's no doubt about it yeah give us the time and i think dogs are very intelligent animals and i've had a mate and you know well over twelve or thirteen over the years and you know they all have their own personalities they all have an intelligence and i've seen some that were on genius level that i've had you know the obvious difference i did doc's and growing up named duchess and it's only dog i really had it was a puppy and i trained her there was a little kid i didn't know anything this dog was so smart that we could say like my sister's name is beverly go to beverly she would run the beverly go to my brother bill go to mummy go to daddy and she would run right to them yep and she was like she was allowed anywhere in the house on any piece of furniture and on anything but she wasn't not allowed in the laundry room greatest ever nippy elaters on the planet they got all those dogs i don't care how old they are our puppy dog guys exactly you know and they stole your heart and you don't want to say no i know people get a lot of complaints because their dog won't shut up marking dog what's the best way to so it's that absolutely so this goes back to the earlier question the anxiety issue so the first thing that people have to do so people hate me for two reasons the first one we already talked about we got to ignore the dog for two minutes when we come into the house we got over that one the second issue is you gotta walk your dog every day for forty minutes a day no matter what so that is what gets rid of all of this build up in tension the reason dogs bark is they sit inside a crate all day some of it's not a wired crate sometimes it's just a large house but if you sat inside all day it had nothing to do and then you saw somebody go by why wouldn't you mark you have no other outlets and get rid of your energy now is walking the only way to get rid of energy of course we can do agility training obedience training we can go for a bike ride a swim there's a thousand things that you can do roller blading skateboarding they're all great but at the end of the day if you don't exercise your dog you can't and you can't have a calm dog it's just not possible he's like that time a half hour in the morning twenty minutes in the morning twenty at night can you absolutely yeah a whopping fifteen minutes of throwing the phrase been having him around after that yes so what do you want to do is what you want to keep one of them sustained you don't want to have five ten minute session and it's just not long enough it what you want one very long whether it's the bike ride the gel or so on so forth obedience we want one long one like thirty to forty five minutes you give your dog that they'll start to give you everything else and turn now say the dog continues we walk every day for a few weeks and our dog is still now barking at you know when somebody walks down the road at that point now what's the learned behavior is calmer in general i can guarantee you that much but he still has learned behavior now we can correct it so we've tried everything possible now we can start to correct the behavior and this is when we would start to add in a correction what we very quickly because we're running out of time absolutely correction it just depends on every dog is different if you use a cookie cutter method you're going to fail you have to adapt for that particular dog so and member healthy dog is a happy dog when you're healthy you're happy is well we'll see you next time on healthy pets healthy owners