basically put together by joel silver have it's going to end fusion five american best value with parking lot it's an indoor outdoor event and all the proceeds from raffle sales car i don't have a problem with this and i certainly i know the cause and there's no problems with that at all but i'm of there's a condition or strong suggestion that you meet with the owner of lafayette specifically and just say this is what you going to do in the past he seating to ninety eight i think the total seating was ninety eight the bar went from eighteen to thirty eight so i think what we did was we allowed the increase in the bar twenty people in the decrease in the dining room when people you just on the next day the second paragraph down we were talking about maybe having a joint meeting with the board so i can hear you guys are committing i suggested that it's a good idea as long as the focus would not be on the of one last question on the motion that we had on the second page from that so that i can to for instance the eighteen and a half hours for the health department that wasn't something we had to support it two months ago so just to keep track on that account because it's been overspent for so long if you could just kind of have a running balance in the account so we can look and see be more successful maybe we could ask our state rep and state senator command discuss with them and see if they would take it to the state house to try to make the large a little easier it would just apply to business in foxboro on a saturday and sunday it might be easier for are based on the amount of money that we have which is almost half a million dollars which seems like a lot of money but when you look at the amount of work that we do with half a million dollars it really is was already partially done from excuse me from chestnut street up to glenwood last year we did some drainage work in the section that we construct now which has been kind of the norm for a lot of my projects to do the drainage one year and then pave it the following year letting the troops settle for a year it also includes doing some drainage work on coal cassatt street in between elm and winter right now we have no drainage there at all and we have a towards adam street that's the next phase up there if you will we did from coke acid street to the barrel school last year i think it came out really good and we did some drainage work on this section we're talking about now we do some drainage work up there on the east side of retreat on i think what we need up there there is a second overflow to allow the water to flow down to the low point where the driveway for the world gym with forms is because our biggest problem was that the water actually overflowed on the causeway itself and but yeah this portion of the work i think would prohibit that from occurring area drains it's just the wrong for river i can't even find the one for the river in that one day one it's just disappeared we have a forty eight inch drain underneath wall street right we have that driveway is and i think i only have maybe a foot of pasadena left because it's just so so that up and that's one of the reasons why the water overflowed so that was really good news i just got that this week they'll need to apply for  a permit from the conservation commission for that i really don't anticipate any problems at all i've been out there with conservation they see a significant need for clean the room for the river also so i think that should work out hopefully really well and then after that is done we'll evaluate that forty eight inch drain that's i believe last week to see if that actually needs replacing or really increased capacity by doing this drainage w to the business owners because while we own that deno if you can you can see it from the causeway that's really all we all right there is a little driveway after the day here and right on the other side of this maybe allow for more water to not have to go over the dam so hopefully that will help there but i think in the coming years you'll see more work up to the idea that there's other stuff to be done but i think i think this could go a long way to helping us control it better during these be great if it's giving us some added security of a bypass if we haven't needed to do anything on our d m so it's not that expensive really who owns the land that which road oh i'm sorry president so will you still be applying for a fee with funding or are you looking to have the norfolk county know i'm also going to apply for some female funding i'm working with fema now on a reimbursement from the storms itself they will be reimbursing us for the overtime we spend and police and fire for some pumps we needed to buy that i'm that expensive in the big picture and also for the first time they're going to actually reimburse us for straight time not just overtime i'm not sure exactly what sum of money that will come to  i have already that we have our fema representative and he also brought in some project people from fema they did not want to pay for this  they did not want to pay for the dam for the forty eight inch pipe that goes underneath wall street mainly because in this round of fema funding they only want to pay for things that you just one hundred percent totally destroyed they have another funding mechanism they call it the four zero four program where they take ten percent of the total money that they're going to give it off the county which will hopefully result in you know somewhere of a million to half a half a million and then we can apply through this forum for a program for these projects and we'll just have to see where we fall when there's money to do this additional work we can put in another forty eight inch structure underneath more street which i think is needed and i  think we might be able to rebuild the existing spillway on the east side that that's it's kind of interesting that spillway is the exact same nation as the d m if this six inches of water going over the thing in the six inches increase the water power that those businesses were using way that like yeah yeah now we really want to get rid of the water so it's not really helping us so i think this drainage project here will will start the process worst section right now i've done some test pits up there that shows the first five hundred thirty linear feet really just need to be dug out this is exactly the same type of thing we did on the other section for the rebuild which last year they came up that first bed which is still before the first house this is really only going to be an improvement from beach street up to the first house and improve that but i thought that was the worst section last year over the winter by fi seven thousand estimating about four hundred ninety thousand piece to be spent which we use about seven thousand in contingency which isn't a lot but it you know maybe some of these things can be cut back a little bit or we can try to do more instead of using contractors and i have the highway with budget in addition to this i also have some projects that we'll be doing just just out of the highway  if a resident comes up and says my street a b c needs to be repaved or is there a master plan that says yeah that's scheduled for two thousand and fourteen or is this you looking towards next year and year after  there really isn't a master plan that fire out just i mean you can see the the about when i'm going to do a mile of road work this year i believe last year i think we might have done one point one miles but there's more drainage work in you look at things like i don't do anything preventive treatments and there was no money but it's done i mean so you don't do preventative because you're trying to fix the stuff that you have prevented in the past and so you never kind of catch up and we had talked about trying to do trying to get a college student or someone to work with bob to kind of him and tory all the streets and given the conditions you know a b c each year something so that we could start to talk about what would it cost us to have to maintain our roads on a reasonable basis of the average road lasted twenty years as an example we ought to be if we could figure out how much we ought to be spending a year but is that is we're not spending anything other that we could reach out tonight so each year we're falling further and further behind it some point you know they'll be you'll have the roads will have to catch up so so that's why it was important to us we didn't make any progress last year on that but you know i think as we talk about goals and objectives for this year we've got to bring lot back and we've got to i think very soon personally in the next twelve months really identifying a way to categorize all the streets and town into at least what we owe it i think to the voters to share with them maybe it's  even informational a town meeting you know this is the condition of the roads these are the roads in a b c d and here's what it will cost to maintain it obviously the voters are going to have to decide where they will where the money would come from but we can't even have that dialogue with last so he could be some help to me and i was hoping to do that i actually for the first i probably have just found i think the best person for doing some auto kidnapping for us that i've had and in fact he's just going to be a senior in high school next year but he's already had three years of it that the high school and i think he's going to probably be the best person i have for the mapping which is probably a little more important on the phase two e p a permit that we have to do but but it'll also really really help for this right now i don't want you to think i'm complaining that i'm understaffed if you like that i just have some personnel  issues where my highway supervisors i would probably four to want to have three three and a half months with a hip replacement in it i work with him a lot to set up what i want done in the highway department and and then he make sure kids done i go out a lot and she play stuff out that needs to be laid out but if if it frees me up a lot well now i don't have that i really have to to do a lot more of that myself so even though i've got the summer eight and you could divide it by twenty and you'd come up with the cost per year would be yeah so maybe we can do this maybe we can make sure it's on the agenda over the next twelve to eighteen months get a master plan that has a map of the roads when your foot in state than you know working year a year if we had a master plan and a budget you know kind of work backwards to the chapter ninety takes a certain percentage of that and we still need more but it's probably good no time now to start talking interview question for you on this topic is so when you're talking about that amount of money for my libro we darken very new road but what we're really talking about reclaiming it cranking it up and crunching manager he has the car tracks and so we seem like you don't bring to us those that might be outside of the contract terms otherwise he approves all sorts of other expenditures every single day and this is this is routine item it's part of the contract so just think that you know we we are as a board especially with a new town manager coming in we are to have a clear dialogue around roles and responsibilities of what it's like been a strong town manager so that we can focus our time on strategic it's important to clarify that did as well asked him if he would do a survey for us of local size communities to tell us what his market value for a county manager when when he interviewed me he said i asked him what he thought the range was well i'm telling candidates what he makes and saying i presume it's going to be from that point or something like that and i just think that the board should be talking about and i think it has to be done in executive session it's not relative any one individual but we ought to be talking about the ten or twelve towns of the similar size to foxborough and what they pay and we won't be talking in our own mind so that i would think that if a candidate is you know once once the search does their interviews they're all done in private but when if we're going to recommend three candidates to come forward and that becomes public before someone is going to probably agree to put his his or her name public they're going to want to kind of know what the salary ranges and just to simply say well here's what any gala makes and i presume they'll take that into consideration it would be helpful for us to know that part of my concern is that you know and he's been here for thirty years and three percent a year  plus an occasional zero because of tight market conditions he's probably not a market value and someone who's moved around a couple of times in towns that had turned over the last maybe had five town managers in the last thirty years are paying probably very because there are some things that we should discuss you know for example that they're you know we think that you know that person should live in town be out of town life you know if you know when we need that kind of thing and she had a little bit of  within fifteen miles could be a big difference and when they want to go forward or not so if we could define some of that it might make it easier to talk we have rather than just dropping at us in five different directions have some type of a sort of a you know not enough he was going to come back in or he's discussing that with the recruitment group that they're going to lay out you know everything in a certain fashion but it's kind of a difficult thing because you want to talk about this stuff in private but at the same time it's a public process so where we get some kind of consensus from the board of how or what kind of questions we're going to ask how we're going to do it there's definitely a gap step are required to live in town or not for those twelve communities think rather than sending in the offer trying to make calls ourselves the committees on the agenda next week to come in front of us was have that discussion now because i because i did one of the one of the concerts we had i went by earlier in the day and he was waving people in for parking and now laid on the back the other way there was nobody left they are so i presume someone had probably talk we didn't extend an invitation to them because we didn't need to read write write we you know kind of wanted to talk to our veterans at home and you know we attended their meetings  that we were helping the veterans get what they needed that being a full time agent for foxborough and what i want with and administrator and in my heart of hearts i really believed that that's what you time for them so that's you know what i stated and that's what i believe right now so i'm honestly folks i really truly believe that we were happy helping you not hurting you we certainly would never do that we really felt that this will be wonderful for a while paul and wonderful far from people beyond you know that the agents would have time to reach out there would be administration there is a lot of work to be done i would assume that we would still like to go with an advisory would mean that you know some of you folks and i'm going out of the shirt else and and jump in and help out i also know that at first thought qualified person but i think one of the veteran said it clearly at the meeting last week and what he said was that he understood what we're trying to do any understood that we're going to try for you and if it didn't work we revisit it and he said i just would ask you to turn it around the other way try it our way for a year and if it doesn't work we'll be the first one to be willing to revisit it so based on that i've changed my view as well and i'm willing to not support the request from the town manager and to support a request that would hire a full time veterans agent for foxborough and that we would try it for a year we'd have the advisory committee to kind of work through the issues and we will i would hope that that pfizer committee would come back to the meeting feeling that i had changed my position also but i want to say that as the week has gone by i've been thinking about different points related to the you know the objections that were raised there are valid you know we want to have  veterans able to have access and i think one of the concerns raised was you know if someone shows up and there is no one in the office hear what happens or someone calls in and there's no one in the office and so i was thinking through the week you know  we potentially have technology ways of addressing the phone for example if someone is calling in and it should be transparent to them whether the agent is in walpole or foxboro there should be access and a way to do that with technology and so i thought perhaps that is a solution to consider the other thing the other objection that was raised was you know if a veteran shows up here for a face to face and no one is here you know they're turned away and perhaps it took every last bit of their energy to get there that day what do you do you know can we do something to the extent of providing immediately you know we make the contact with wherever the agent is and provide a ca voucher to that individual to go to wherever the location is whether it's a wall or better and needing to come to foxboro that day for an appointment you know so i was trying to figure out i was trying to take into consideration the objections that i heard and the needs that were there but also i think the idea that andy had in terms of you have one individual who's a professional who was able to devote all their time to the outreach to these face to face meetings whether it's in walpole or foxboro and allow the administrative assistant have the paperwork it just struck me as we would be paying the right people to do the right thing as opposed to a blend of both and able to provide the service still so you know i hear clearly the concerns that were raised last week i'm just still trying to look at it from standpoint of  through technology can we still provide that service that is required by all the veterans and then again consider looking at it that way for a year guaranteed that if it doesn't work to commit to going to two full time veterans asians at that point i think you know i just ask our group to consider discussing that a little bit more but i totally understand leaving last week's meeting very emotional and very you know totally you have our support in making sure that your needs are met i just ask that we consider that thought the avery was with some of the stuff or if you look at it from a dollar point and from a practical point we have a full time person that's a professional agent that can do the outreach and you have a full time administrator that can do the paperwork there are certain benefits and efficiency and you know every community is talking about sharing and getting together and i think this i think that's the road that we were going out to make for a lot of sense and a lot of different areas  in foxborough one full time in foxboro because whether we like it or not that's mandated we we need to do that if it doesn't work out mean we have to revisit this and nine months just to have a see how everyone's doing and then go forward but i selectmen to recommend to the town manager that we hire a full time veteran sage for foxborough in that we don't fight walpole that we're not interested in a joint session second any further sure we vote on the motion that's what the table and then we asked the tell me enter to see the official ruling as to whether or not the law requires an a sister in law and then we can discuss that at the next meeting but let's at least move forward with obviously is going to decide what they want to know what they're waiting to hear from us as well and to be a bit better i think to send them a message in the morning that says that and i think it was mr johns that said if you're going to take it you know take a risk and see if it a welcome back we just say good night to have veterans and they were all piling out here and thank him as but actually i mean it feels kind of strange to have a veteran thank us but because they're the ones that deserve my thanks so i thank them all for coming and getting involved in the grammy thing they've done for us so one of them mentioned what was particularly important to them is last tuesday we did not have a meeting all five of us opportunity of the absolutely so next is there a discussion on the retiree health insurance plan i'm sure before you actually get into that i'd like to ask the town manager well our two experts on insurance you know we've talked before about working with our unions on insurance in general and to some degree in my mind what we might do with retirees could very well be connected to what we do with all the points we only have so many dollars to spend on insurance and so while we have some that would like to take the fifty down to thirty the cost of that is hundreds of thousands of dollars over the years maybe millions over the years while some would like to take the thirty up to the fifty while some would like to get everybody going forward at one rate the point is there's only so much money that we can spend it ultimately i think we have to look at with all of our unions how much we have to spend and collectively dialogue around how do we make it work best for all of us so that retirees aren't saved so to speak what i mean by that is that for financial reasons we can't move the fifty down to thirty because we're already in a financial crisis when it comes to the insurance it's unfair to keep some of thirty and some at fifty and so it might be productive as we as we're talking to the unions about insurance in general to talk about how do we address our a total insurance needs so that we best cover all of our folks and what i mean by that is this for a year the insurance committee did not meet and they've been meeting regularly now for the last month and what they've been trying to do is to rush through my words no one else's but rushed through a change that would move us from our current plans to a new administrator called am i a that was a key and so each of that there was a presentation to the unions in on union employees and some of the unions have voted in favor of switching some haven't voted yet one voted opposed to switching and there's been lots of questions raised and some misunderstanding to all the unions have to agree to just a majority the unions have to agree when a union agrees does it is it fifty one percent or sits or is it two thirds there's been a lot of questions and so what some of the unions have talked about is the plan that was put forth fo them i'll call it three types of plans one in which is the one they're voting on that would basically keep everything pretty much the same same co pays deductibles etc there's a second plan that would be less expensive that would have a plan design changes that would impact the employees and then there's a third plan that basically the insurance company has cost factors and quality factors and if you go to a if there are two hospitals for instance the same quality of one is more expensive than the other then if you choose the more expensive hospital you pay extra and if you choose the less expensive hospital you pay less and that's ultimately the plan that has the biggest savings but because this is feeling so rushed to our employees  they've they're struggling with just approving the switch to m i n a but what they're voting on is kind of just keeping it what they have today so it produces some savings for us but it doesn't produce the kind of savings that ultimately we would need to have long term with the insurance and by switching the plan that we have today and randy correct me from a financial standpoint if i'm wrong that will will still not provide enough money to do something with the retirees that some of the some of the folks some of the unions have come back and asked us to do so one of one of saying to the board is that as we talk through the retire we issue this may be an opportune time to work collectively with with the unions to say how do we figure out a way that makes sense for the retirees and for the actors how do we balance the plan so that we still provide quality health care but it's affordable for both the town and it's affordable for the for the  employees of the retirees and it's hard for me to just take the retirees and say well they're over here so we have the fifty we have the thirty maybe we transition the thirty to fifty but that still doesn't address the needs that some of the  some of the retirees in some of the actors have talked about and that is that when you can incense someone to retire early at the top end of the scale and replace them with someone at the lower end of the scale we save money the problem where we don't save money is every employee that retires and stays on the insurance gets replaced by a new employee on insurance and so the number of people that are covered with insurance continues to rise until someone passes away or ultimately the the spouse in the mess away so the insurance is continuing to escalate is continue to be a financial issue and we've just really started to touch the dialogue with the unions but i think we have to have a broader conversation with the unions about what is the total cost of insurance and why we need to change plan design and why do we need to make it so that we can have quality health care but affordable for the town the actors in the retirees and you know it's just difficult because we're rushing through and i know the unions are feeling very feeling rushed and we're trying to get it all done by june thirtieth roughly and i know that the fire i don't think the fire has voted yet i think the police we do teaches a voted in favor of it can you just recap who's voted and who has even works do you know there's this difference of opinions now whether or not it's one hundred percent are not so can you just clarify that for the book is that all this ties together i think we are all confused  so for instance we have one union that voted it down so we'll so there's going to drag it one thinking saying well that means that nobody can go because you had one hundred percent and so the question became do you have to have it all the unions agree or is it more because it's a plan a ministry to take change it's an advisory vote that the board is like in the town manager would take into consideration so if you take all those it approved so far versus those who haven't it's overwhelming in favor of going to the change so there's that issue but what's important to me is that you know we can't from a financial standpoint today i don't think afford to take the fifty's down to thirty so and it's not fair to say you fifty state fifty you thirty state thirty because now the fifty's are upset and there's a lot more of the fifty's than there are thirty s and so to me it might be more worthwhile to sit down with the unions and say at the end of the day we only have so much to spend on insurance if they're prepared if they're willing to have union employees pay thirty percent if they will retirees pay thirty percent then that additional cost has to come out of the plan somehow and that means they have to agree to plan modifications and other things that could make that affordable and so this may be an opportunity for us to have a dialogue and try to come up with a plan modifications that will continue to keep a quality plan it will make it affordable for the town it will address the retiree's needs and it will address the existing employees needs it just percent whether you're active retiree is reasonable and what i've said to them is i'm not opposed to what we necessarily charge retirees but there's a limit to how much money we have and we only have so many dollars and therefore if they're willing to look at the plan and look at plan modification so that we could fit in something like that then i'd be open but if they're not willing for the plan modifications there's there's just no way that we can't move forward with with taking the retirees from the thirty to the fifty even if it's over a year or two year time timeframe but if they're willing to address over the next number of months the plan designed and we're able to work through savings then i'd be open to talking about  leasers this i'm not opposed to making a decision that says we have to take the thirty to fifty however if over the next six months we can sit down with the unions and we can figure out a way to make plan designs that addresses a thirty percent premium for everybody i'm open to that i'm just saying i think we have a moment because we have union employees who are who are feeling for this thirty versus fifty and feeling that that everyone should be a third wheel and i said we can't afford them not with the current plan but if the unions are willing to sit down collectively and talk about plan design then on my side i'm willing to do two things i'm willing to re evaluate the premium for retirees and i'm willing to even look at what savings we could generate the first year being able to do a way so that the employees benefit from that in the town benefits in the future years and i'm trying to figure out a way that we could incentive five employees to be open to a different plan that will be affordable with the same quality going forward and as a result you know it isn't that the town would want all the savings the town can't take all the savings and so part of the same if you go back through a premium holiday in that first year and part of the savings could go into making sure that the retirees are treated the way that employees are treated if that's what the unions really want but ultimately what i've said to them is it's not that we're being a reasonable it would mean people we want to see it more this extra two thousand dollars out of folks but there is a finite amount of money and we don't have extra money over over and above that and if we were to take and put extra money into the insurance it's going to come out of wages or other other other costs to the town so this is it's an opportunity over the next few months to really sit down no matter what we do with retirees to sit down with the union heads and see if we can't do something that with that they could support that would benefit existing employees retirees as well as fit into the financial condition of the town page the second point i just want to make is larry in terms of school committee it would be good on this one as well as i could see how to go forward basis having retirees under the age of sixty into the dialogue and say here's how much we have it doesn't matter to me what we charge for a premium really we have so much money to spend it we can't spend more than that because that's all that we have so if they want to make plan designs that will fit into that and that the just the premium i'm ok with that if they're willing to agree ultimately from a financial standpoint of fiscal responsibility whatever the number is it's and it's in the budgets we have and we've been increasing it every year it at a phenomenal rate compared to the rest of the budget and because again it's simple math proposition two and a half plus new growth that's what you have and if we give raises of of three percent on the school's side they turn into five because  step in lane changes and so you the way you do the budget you subtract the fixed cost of insurance is going up to ten percent a year that leaves less and less money for salary increases and that means that you know one of two things has to happen you have to do an override to coverage and that's not anything fox was ever been willing to do or you have to sit down with the unions and show them how much is the finite amount of money and once you subtract the fixed cost which one of those is insurance and if we continue to see premiums and ten twelve fourteen percent increases that's less and less available for the for the wages so getting the unions in a dialogue with us to say we spend pick an expert on on compensation what we spend the most that we can spend and ultimately you can only go up by two and a half percent plus new growth and the new growth is supposed to cover the cost of the growth it's not supposed to cover the base so you can't keep raising the base well above two and a half when you only have two and a half we've had free cash that we've used over the last number of years but this becomes an opportunity to i think in the unions may disagree with me but when you lay out the finite amount of money they can help by shape how much they wanted salaries how much they wanted benefits how much they want to co pays accent or because ultimately this isn't like an open checkbook we can't just do whatever they want and if one union wants five percent then that's less for the next one so you often look at the unions they all kind of fall pretty much in line what one gets the other one gets but if you look at mansfield you look at north and a boy you look at a lot of the towns around here they've had the layoffs they've had the cuts because there's just run out of money so i just think it's a perfect opportunity to not only improve working relationships with all of our unions but to really have an honest dialogue to help understand where they want the money to go how much they want to go to premiums but then we have this retiree decision and what i'm hearing from union people are employees that are calling me at home or sending me e mails is they have a definite viewpoint on the retirees and all i'm saying is we could make a decision our retirees in august but with i'm open to changing that decision in january if we could work at that between the job july in january to change the plan make up in the union support of that otherwise we don't have a choice because we're going to be forced to make a change on the retirees for financial purposes and for fairness purposes and because we've got a compliance issue and everything else we can't just say let's forget it for a year and so randy has said you know kind of give you to the september timeframe to make up your mind but you we've got we've got a vote at the town talk and i'm obligated to to follow that now town council has said we could phase it in if we want over two years so i don't think we have to rush anybody i don't think we have to make the union feel rushed but i think we should seize the moment to say we're willing to revisit the retiree if they're willing to revisit over the next few months play into our version retired under one scenario and now it's a lot of money per month difference and so they want to be grandfathered so they are so you know they want to be grandfathered to change the rule tomorrow started for someone else so they can but then there you are a union employees that have said wait a minute just because they retired doesn't mean we don't think about them anymore and they said we ought to be as a board thinking about the entire insurance program including how retirees are treated and my response to them was i'm open to that but you have to know there's honey so many dollars so you're going to have to be willing to make other changes that will produce savings that will allow us to do something different with retirees of one so getting people say they want all retirees including those over sixty five  bump up going from paying fifty to seventy for all retirees you know my my point though paul is if the union employees change my co pays change my deductible do this do that so that the cost comes down enough and we want you to then use some of those savings so that you can do that for retirees if that's what they want to do i'm not opposed to that because the i don't want them to drive that decision isn't just a political decision it's also a decision that the employees have to do that when they want yeah i agree given that there's only a limited  no i want the best of both worlds for the retirees and ourselves i said there is enough to do that and so if that's where we end up then we'll have to make both either take an interim decision or a final decision that will take the retiree from the thirty percent to the fifty percent whether it's immediately or will be two years or some period of time what i've said though is i'm open to revisit making that decision but then open to revisiting it if they're open to revisiting the overall cost of the plan and if they can come up with with us design changes it makes it more affordable i don't keer how we move the money around but it's got to fit within the within the budget ok so the way i look at this is i do agree that the all these issues are interrelated however with facing statutory regime so i think the decision is ours alone i don't think we're strange in other words by that i would go back in the sixty's in a just so that's one point the other point is i think if we change it or go forward bases you know grandfather these people in or not i really do think we need to talk to the school committee because i think that's a tool that you know you know we should really get their input and see since martha and i are ad hoc members of the committee that's why i think we're getting the phone calls because we've sat money we don't print here this isn't the federal government and so you can decide how much you want to raise you can decide how much you want for insurance but at the end of the day there's only so much money you can't we can't spend what we have market a range of three scenarios right and what i'm suggesting is that we could go in day one under the scenario that they're voting which is similar we have today and then we work to try to change that to scenario two or scenario three and then when three will save money for the employee and for the town and the question then becomes is to you can we use some of that savings do some things differently that would appease the unions than on unions the retirees or not and i don't know that we can come to any of those decisions but i think we have the opportunity in the next six months to try to do that but so just make sure i get this right version one is one where we can unilaterally make that decision that doesn't what that saves us only is the fact that their premiums are less expensive than the premiums we got directly from care suggested premiums are blue cross blue shield etc but if you add up those premiums you randi how much which is why it's important over time in two thousand in the next fiscal year to hopefully get the unions to acknowledge that we need to move either to plan too which is a plan design change designed to save money for both parties or three which is if you go to two hospitals at the same quality ones more expensive you pay more ones less expensive you pay less so that the consumer manages their spending in a different way to bring costs down those cost and benefit both the employee in the benefit the top so we have a problem as a board of selectmen even if we go to m i a in the unions all the unions but want to prove it we go to there we still have one hundred fifty thousand dollars budget issue wintertime if we so we know what the what the savings potentially be under the employer to poke the employee in the town but the problem was paul because this didn't this should have started six months ago and it didn't so we only had this month  to be happy and you know maybe we'll just have to live with it but there is some negative opposite of good will negative will you know earned on that is what it is i'm just you know stating what i think is right through and you know  the if the teachers union said that the teachers union has approved it and i'm looking at all the teachers in the teachers union we're already over fifty percent got on monday and i have to friday to you know so you know it's the way the world unfortunately right now but that's great that he said that they were because it is important to have it specially else and that could mean either taken out of the cash account which is just dry which is getting pretty low or it's going to result in other times i don't i agree larry i'm just so that's my only sense is that the finance director is telling us that you know why you have to make the decision by july first we need to be cognizant that every month that goes by in july is going to add to a deficit to have to make up at some point during the year and the longer we wait the harder the decision is going to be because you have to get more savings so that's why the retiree piece becomes an important factor because every month that the thirty state thirty's that's contributing to the deficit every month that they go to the fifty that reduces some of that deficit so that's why it's it's timing timing is important i just think this is a moment to see geez with all the things going on and the state aid concert in the us to be able to sit down very openly and honestly with the unions they see they can see the books there is only so much money and let them help us decide how do they want to spend between salaries between benefits between whatever who read it again you know i'm cognizant of you know the deficit however i think we have to be careful saying oh the well the you know candidates for cutting are these you know this candidate because we could just as easily pick another out and say we won't spend there right you know so well we that's where the joint meeting of the school committee is important because once again if we have a two hundred twenty five thousand dollars shortfall then we have to go back to the schools and say you know you've got to try to find seventy percent of we're going to try to find thirty percent and and ultimately work through that so i think the idea of meeting with the school committee for fairly soon to talk about this is important because there are these other financial issues and all this stuff starts to compound the long town manager today and sent as management it's our responsibility and there's some confusion as to what was said and what wasn't said and who said why to one i said at the end of the day in my view management had the responsibility to lay it out writing so that there was no confusion in one's part and they were rushing as much as the committee was rushing and so we had a communication issue but as far as i'm concerned management bears that responsibility and we can't undo what was done oh  for all unions to vote and you so i understand there was that confusion and there's some that felt they heard something different and so i agree with what you said that's what you thought you heard others heard that and others heard something else and so again my view is management should have put it in writing it should've been laid out very clearly so someone only had to say here who are here is right here and maybe i read it wrong or maybe i didn't read it but now it's he said she said and it's different for what it translates into dollars impact you know if there was some slight way to look at the snapshot today of all the people who are affected by that and determine is there some than that was negative my only goal is it was are they that they have the information they can give it to the entire board at the next meeting as an example or the meeting after that and i don't know that it adds any value to have a so i commend working with the running to director i think it just helps me understand the process personally work at the school but we could certainly reach out to the chairman and find out i mean i'm sure they would meet with us in a better at a mutually agreeable time could you reach on saddam and see if they're if they're meeting week but then this summer they used to reduce it to one one three a month but i think i think i heard that they were going to change that schedule with all the work being done at the school night i know i thought i just added like six things to it tonight but i don't know if they can for next next week next tuesday and in cities and to school systems that are on their state health insurance and lo and behold i filed a page for each one of the eighteen towns to school districts and it presents percent shares of all those communities and i understand that the state health insurance isn't doesn't have as good of benefits and has much higher co pays but it's still there is a database here all the percentage  goals had to do with the footbridge over one and we all know that the state approved it and then they changed it and they said they did and i would like to put on an upcoming board this is something that andy worked on a lot and i think that as i understand what i read here part of the advantage of the footbridge there's a number of events you put the office building across the street and they can walk back and forth a lunchers and shopping in those kinds of things and so it makes it attractive if you build a building but also during this during the stadium days you have people crossing the highway and so they stop the traffic and so you use a lot of energy and all those cars stop waiting for people going by and you'd be able to there's a lot of good reasons why i think a bridge makes some sense of the concerns and so i would like to put back on the agenda for this board a particular before and it leaves a discussion around the footbridge and what is it and potentially going to barney frank in seeing if he would would would support some things for that and i know that the patriots have also talked about the fact that if they were to build that building they'd like to put a train station there they already have a parking center and that would allow people parking spaces they drive their driving through neighborhoods which is a problem right there you'd be right up and down one so and i don't know you know who we need to invite but i'd like us to talk about both the footbridge and the train station and whether or not this board would vote to support that and if so then to be talking to both our federal and state representatives to see if they would work with us to try to make that a reality but our prior boy voted to support it in the end it was a part of me and that were a nuke were different board and i think that we should revisit both of those who wonder and ask that you put that on gender and that we ask both and you'd have to meet us and potentially the patriots to come in and update us on i mean i don't even know where the foot bridge was going to be the construction started that new growth would be very valuable to the town not to mention the jobs it would bring in those jobs to bring revenue to pay to run to the stores the convenience stores the gas stations the restaurants i mean it just would be a boon for the year if we could do it so i think that the question is can those people come in front of us or just give us an update on where it stands with me but where it stands with the economy their plans are long range to sort of get an understanding before we saying you know can you build it just