nature took them to the trees near the fountain this last winter i thought well really that's that's the guy for that job i mean if you want to take a tree he's definitely trust under a real straitjacket city council resolution in terms of what you can do and i'm hoping there are some ways you know either finesse it or get a little more flexibility because i haven't seen a single and i don't think that even know what the smoke is going to be  know either so i must be on the wrong list anyway but i want to talk about tonight this cost my understanding is that the cost of this renovation is going to be about three million dollars i average lifespan of a crab apple tree is thirty to forty years these are mature trees they don't have that much life left i say let them live out their life you know and give us the joy that they have to give  when they're not doing so well when their get to the hazardous point we can cut it down and plant something else more strategically located that's my two cents on the crap about this i wanted to follow up on something that jimmy had to say regarding oh we did ask for the slope in the with and i'm not sure where it is in plan documents if you have that it would be really helpful to go over that with us approved in those documents i completed to inform the pro this you know the design team in kicking off the design team and kicking off the project you know we did review the existing slopes in the park with the survey that was done you know acquire the topography the existing way it's we found that most of the paths if the slope that goes down the path was adequate for eighty a the cross slope has deteriorated over time and no longer meets the requirements the sidewalk slabs are heaving creating more than a quarter inch vertical separation you know so the thought process is that with our proposed design to me a t a i you need to provide a path from the origin of accessible parking to its destination the current park assuming that the cross slopes were corrected under the existing design only has two paths our proposed plan in creating this transition while it's not written down in a note or a memo you know our design discussions in our meetings focused around improving this and so the proposed plan actually has five that will meet both slope and cross slope and having it be reconstructed will meet the vertical displacement so well we don't have a handwritten memo kind of a plan we did have a lot of design discussions about how to improve accessibility into the slope is greater than five percent but it's not going to be compliant afterwards and then the other one is the section of this curved is a portion of the diagonal path in the southwest  that's the path that we've been advocating some slight modification angles so that we can protect three healthy trees on there and i just want to say one thing about talking about healthy trees everything that we've been honeylocust it's on the top you know for a total of what i have to say is a total of you know eight measly trees in throughout this entire process when we started to try to bring attention to the fact that there was going to be a massive tree cut over over fifty percent of the trees were going to be cut as part of this plan we were lampblack bastad as being a bunch of uninformed you know nervous nellies who are trying to save dead trees that were dying in the park and that all the trees in the park were dying i mean we heard that all over and i think that that was an argument that was very was pushed very hard that all the treat we don't know we're talking about we were tree experts and we were trying to save dead trees and how foolish that was ok every tree that we're talking about saving now is healthy we're only talking about healthy trees we're not advocating the protection of any other tree there's not healthy because we were essentially pushed into that position so that we didn't even feel that we could advocate for trees that were in a fair condition state less we'd be attacked for supporting trees that were not completely healthy so that is been our guiding principle throughout this process that we had to look for identify and request that literally a handful of healthy trees be protected so i just want to say going forward i still feel that you know there's been no area in this entire thing where we've said well how about these trees and so i was like oh no we need that for this one how much these trees now sorry pa here are these trees now that whole area is going to be paved and now i mean that's literally been the response that we've gotten for everything you know and so as i've said earlier you know we have seven over seven hundred people following this issue concerned about this issue over two hundred of them have expressed their concerns about wanting more trees protect in the park to the city councillors and the mayor that is not a small vocal minority that is you know and you all know in terms of the types of topics that people turn out for regularly and write about regularly and and mr sendhil can certainly attest to that for his experience on the d r be like unprecedented amount of people coming out you know we want to see the administration bend a little as counselor no del noted to make some freakin little tiny adjustments to this increase of hard to thirty three percent cent of the park to protect eight measly trees i mean if you're going to tell me that that can't be done then that is what counts what what counts when odell alluded to we gave up our opportunity our legal opportunity to appeal the decision we won a compromise we said that for a from the very beginning and good lord if saving a trees you know is not a compromise i don't know what is so we want to continue to try to find a way i think that  counselor no del made a very important distinction and that is the resolution as it stands does not prohibit a slight decrease in the hard skate to protect a couple trees and so you know  our position is we can't tell seven hundred people that we've been working for a year and they've been coming out and speaking and sending e mails and guess what going to save two trees and plant two more i mean we just we we have our  constituency of people that have put their trust and support in us and have trusted us to come forward and represent this very what i consider to be a very reasonable request for a three million dollar project so that's that's all i want to say i hope that we know try to just you know push this over the goal of goal line you know with a with a minimum part of protection of eight healthy trees and then you know college a day and move on with our lives but we're  prepared to keep fighting on this issue because we feel like the if we if we come back with this such a paltry result all of those people are going to be furious they're going to be furious at the process they're not going to be very happy with us they're not going to be happy with city council so i really you know continue to say i believe there is a win win here but you know we've you know we could be asking for you know a lot poorer trees we're talking about you know we're talking about eight to twelve and we're still kind of being treated like you know where we're upset you know we're upset in the apple cart by the outrageous and unreasonable request so i really hope that we can we can we can come together and produce something that we can all walk away and say this was a meaningful process i don't want people to continue to be jaded and feel that we don't we went through all this this unique process that so many counselors have said wow this could be a really good way to deal with you know problems of people in the community want to have a voice do we get to know each other we talk we share opinions and so on i'd really like to see this this be something that we can all we can all take pride and thank you for the cool well it's from the committee is ready to  we could go around all night talking about how we're going to do this but you know until we put something out on the floor whether we're going to see if we have an agreement or not so i really like to promotion out now and i would like to recommend to the city  council modifications for the from the d r b approval from the city hall whence gape to include options one b three and four which means two additional trees into existing trees  to the plant that's the proposal that i would like to put forward to the committee so that's why we just heard about it when we just heard about it and if it doesn't have support let's find out right away so  so and i spent some time with the city arborists and i walked around the park i just want to frame the conversation and i looked at the park and i took it in courtrooms because that's what i needed to do and we and it was really good it was a very informative and good meeting from me and i got an appreciation of how he sees the park and we don't see the world the same way but i think we have more in common than we have differences so my goal was to once again can so you know there's the there's the long range  plan this is how it's going to look in thirty years and there's the here and now plan and i think that we need to plan so i think we need the long range but i also think we need an interim plan which allows us to and the new plantings and how the landscaping of the park so my goal was to figure out what could be retained and i was looking more short term but as i went around did identify a few trees that i thought really should not be eliminated at all one tree that and i was interested in i guess president right i would i do want to know about the life of a crab apple tree i want to really understand what was just shared with us so that's that's a question i want to get back to but you know i looked at first of all i looked at that's that section where the stages or the proposed stage will be and looked at the crab apples that are going to be saved from determination and those that are going to be wiped out and i and listening to what the arborist said about giving trees room to fully mature and and grow in and i felt that the tree in the center they're all pretty interesting i love trees i like them with them without leaves i think they're beautiful they're just incredible so i just looked at that tree and each one is unique as a branch but i looked at that tree and i felt that i think that there's some discussion about saving this now the mare also right after the last meeting you know looked at that tree but then felt that there were enough barriers around saving that tree that he really doesn't want to move forward with that and i appreciated that it was a brief conversation but i still looked at it and the staging that the expanse of now at that stage it was it's now round of curve and it's going to be rectangular and so it will come close to the roots of that crab apple tree and so the tree probably because it's right in the drip line probably wouldn't survive very long so it might have a shortened life but it could survive and i guess that's where i'm at so to me i would rather give up a little bit of a view and still have that tree because it still really is consistent with the breathability and the the growth pattern that arborist spoke about and the reason it's being a limb unaided is because of the stage and so i think that maybe that could i'm not proposing to change the concrete just proposing to say give the tree a chance it can city hall i'm standing at steps there was a really old tree which was healthy and it's an american elm and i asked the arbors why that one was going to go because i couldn't figure when out at all and he stated that well a lot of that had to do with the once they're doing the renovations in the park they're going to also do some that accommodate the great streets proposal and this would be one of that that this would be sacrificed and i just was shocked that we would take down a beautiful american elm for the great streets proposal and i'm hoping that there is a way that there can be some creativity so that tre not so that was incredibly disturbing to me and i'm still upset by that moving on top of the shirt just look at me because i knew curfew cation there i was told at one point that there would be there was no trees coming down based on that project gr so so anyway suffice it to say that that tree is one that i thought should be saved ok and i apologize for the explanation that i thought i was giving you accurate information and if it is information that is meant know i think you are referring to the transitional plan there was going to be another tree planted not where was that other tree going to be planted close to it right and so what i was hoping to do was to allow to give some kind of to visually in the short term not a limb in a that tree but to allow the under treated grow a little bit and then to take that down that's what we talked about the other trees aren't too close proximity to the pathway they're actually in the pathway so they can't be say so in that order and there was the american elm which i'm not going to give up on  to be cut down and one of them is a silver or in the den and it is a tree that is looks fine healthwise and i i felt that that tree the spacing of it i didn't feel was any different than the other three trees so as far as just and saying didn't seem to make a difference but once again it felt like that tree would provide some additional shade that area is is pretty because on the other side all of most of the trees except for one is going to be cut down there is another silver linden across from nine tree nine fourteen identified and i think that i would like to have confirmation on that before that tree gets cut down it's a beautiful tree and you're now getting into you're moving from a quarter and that has some adequate foliage to a quarter in the last quarter and right the fire behind the fire house which really is going to be pretty much devoid of trees there's one tree that remains we all looked at a number of those trees in this section and there's a crab apple that's going i guess because of the entrance way i don't really understand it but it's going i just kind of said ok i you know but but then there were three other trees for trees  none of them were stellar trees but it really the red maple seemed to be the one that was position and such that it wasn't in anybody's way it would provide some shade and in the interim it could be bare until something else was decided i don't know what the plan for the park is but there is there is no trees in this section at all there's not there's not except one close to the building so well the red maple i didn't finish the statement was that when one d j was looking at the map he thought that the design and we need confirmation on that the design of where the bathrooms were or something was coming in very close proximity to that tree and that's why i wrote in my e mail that maybe it could be tweaked so that tree could be saved knowing that i mean i i really i know all of the people around the table lot of them really support this plan but i would like you to look at that quadrant and say why do you think this works because i don't think it works i really don't think that  all and i would like to understand why you think it works and and what your vision is for that area because there's there's no staging there there's i don't know i really don't know so i i feel that that area where is lacking it's lacking imagination it's lacking trees definitely and i could not i mean i respect the arborist i he doesn't agree with with my email and and i want to be up front with that with with you on that because he worked really hard to make his recommendation to you all but i am making what i think is  sound recommendation i think that the american home certainly i need to figure out what we can do but that tree is majestic and beautiful and i just i guess i don't get it someone said we're what of the award for the tree city of the usa well maybe not so much anymore but i think that you know really i mean i think people really need to embrace what they have and if there are beautiful specimens in the has has i came to appreciate it v j has wrapped himself around a few trees in that park and said no and they have stayed and thank you for that and i very much appreciate that but i'm i'm feeling that there's a need to to look at these each quadrant understand the functionality of it and understand if you feel like this really really meets the spirit of what we want to accomplish and so i am proposing that the committee as a whole consider some aspect or all of what i'm proposing thank you and what one of the last things that you said you might have said this but is tweaking of the bathroom well yes because yes i mean while you said no way we said well i'm glad to hear that we need to be tweaked somehow well yes because i didn't have the plans for that and i couldn't really speak to that i did a small for what i finding just no opportunity at all except to try to save that one red maple and that did require some modification again from some of the trees how many are phased out over time while new trees are planted because that's what you talked about you want to do that with some trees one tree with the american elm was the one i wanted to stay permanently retain the sugar the center crab apple potentially would would go center crab apple silver maple and the red maple could go it's not a stellar tree once we had some other plant i mean if you're not a poet like you could potentially will it is well so i thought i'm not so i am not an arborist i am saying that these trees will make the park i think look better in the short term and i feel that based on based on construction which will potentially impact a couple of these trees i can't say if they will be retained long term i'm just being a realist on think it's suggested process to move this forward maybe i think some of what you have proposed are ideas that can seriously be considered and we can there are pros and cons and we can weigh then i think several of them are just really not viable and would be so difficult i just think would be a dramatic change would it be to go through i guess if you're going for one of the time or we could or we could try to i think some of them just can't be done and we should identify the ones that can't be done me and separate those from the ones that could be done would be might choose one of the ones that could be done or some of the mother could be on yeah so i'm unclear whether any of the last three raised can be done and then we could use some help from from the professionals about last three i think they have problems the first thing i think are different can you put a where the trunk is so there's one that one kisses the sidewalk that one's actually in the sidewalk that's just you know the difficulty  really touched the sub base they were not touching or the you want to speak to the thinking behind this part of the you know from day one we're trying to we're not trying to pack the park for trees or trying to get a variety of shoot areas some areas and this was an area that we have more s the sugar maple tree nine six for my understanding was that that was not yet on a path there and it was it was at its it acknowledging that tree has a short shelf life and you close proximity to where another tree will be planted and this becomes even more important if indeed i just want to i do want to say no other reason why i was going to be  histories you can see a lot of that really needs to come out probably this fall because that dead wood will become a public hazard next year i would expect another anywhere from five to ten percent of that that this group is looking for when this park is complete vote to save it for the short term that's that's the way it looks right now with my my concerns about this tree was you know if we're going to plant another nutrient close proximity couple of things you know removing this tree after the fact once the park is built we'd have to go in and remove it would be a week it could be done but to be large area after the park is done it's going to be disrupted one of the reestablish grew us practice from a practical standpoint in my opinion doesn't make a lot of sense and you know potentially if that if the n has some time to grow we're potentially impacting that newly planted tree when we go in there to do the work to remove it those are the kinds of things that i shared with your comes to butcher during our meeting last night correct oh about i don't ever hear you talking about remediation it seems like you're strategy is like something's wrong with it cut it down we have a quick minute supposedly to aerate roots what is your diagnosis of this tree and how why it cannot be treated in any way to i think it has the right i know from years of experience and training that this particular tree as with a couple of the other sugar maples in the park and a few of the others is beyond the point of mediation i'm certain of that i've had training as a sudden another medium the company that i work for for three years prior to coming here patented that process they researched it over a five year period on multiple sites and their training i received in implementing that process which i did on many properties during my three years with them a large part of that training was focused on being able to make that determination of when it was too late i'm just asking force specific diagnostics what what on that that's a possibility but i'm not going to make a compromise to save a bad treatment should go i think that's a bad compromise actually all the way around so in this particular case i would not vote to save this tree so i mean i don't know but we're or anything else on this one but i just want one last point on so you're the person that you had a look at this agreed that it should go is there any thought about whether you should go now it's not in the way you were just focused on saving healthy trees and that wasn't a healthy one so it wasn't one i mean that's the question here would be whether it's saved for a period of time while another tree takes its place so concern is that we don't want to like a said we were we were forced into the position that we take now is that we're saving healthy trees because we were accused of trying to say  so and because our guy said it was poor you know we would you know we want trees ok and we are also have also subscribe to the idea that unlike you know why are we not talking more about remediation we're just kind of like  bed and we feel that that they're there so you know there's an entire business about remediation in caring for trees airing roots etc so we're not a you know we're not against this concept we just don't want a tree that we know is import condition that's going to come down being counted as something that we saved because we've been charged with trying to protect healthy trees so that's you know i i applaud councilor bush's concern and the time that she's taken and we all agree with that her suggestion about how can we look to stagger more of these trees so we don't get this completely you know cut down so i don't think that we would we would be against saving it but it can't it doesn't work against the total that we're trying to get to because we've made this firm commitment so we would not be criticized as ninnies who are trying to protect healthy trees sorry that's we're trying to get to at least eight healthy trees so we have no problem in supporting well it's your call because i mean when you bring up your proposal has to be weighed in different ways obviously what's the effect on the plan i mean that's the that's what i don't know beautiful three nine fourteen hours at that's the one so when we looked at this one of them was in close proximity to the path that was in  all i want to once again i want to get because there was a controversy about where if in close proximity to that correct when we when you know i looked at this together you said how c but they're but there's grass around around it and the only thing that's being modified is the path right the rest of it it's not going to become hard that it's going to be today and why can't that be slightly i mean it's straight it's flat it's not going to change the a d h why can't that be slightly modified or now from a design perspective i can tell why the designers don't want to do this is because they don't want to mess up the symmetry that you're seeing from above in other words you can walk through you know if you can imagine cutting and pasting that path ok until ting it just slightly up to you know straight up at the pass of the it had a slightly slightly different angle  it could save them but they don't want to do it because even though it's just suggested when you get into the gray area they want their path to swoop perfectly like that so they don't want they don't want to write well they would still be a rating pout they could still be just moved you know moved up by some some you know from from that corner you know there's  i mean slightly slightly modify the angle but then the designers wouldn't like it because they wouldn't have their complete i would take the corner and tilt it  little bit slightly to the to the top so that you know i mean you guys are all about the imaginative space have another a little imaginative space over there and you know you orient that slightly so it still comes down and me you know a one along this line it would it would provide enough of a birth i would think the existing path is here and north side of the north slightly northeast side of it there's actually an indentation in the base of the train and with the swelling above it and that indicates to me that there's a severe gurgling room on th following one which is in close proximity i'm still going to move to retake this one i understand that it it will be challenging for you to create that path but it's alright i'm ok with the challenge can you  was hoping that we could retain that this would be once again for a period of time ok for about ten years or so which one are you that i want to hear about it i now looking at this map i think there's a little jesus and i just share with you my thought that i would favor you know not not even taking into account its proximity to this ring or i would favor removing this tree for the long term growth and development of the honey locust which we're seeing considerable died back on the honeylocust down this path if you remember because of the crowding and it's already encroaching on her in this room so that was path and then further along is a large little leaflet and if you remember when we stood in their path looking towards this corner there were three trees to the right of the existing path  i still want to do so the nine fourteen one is still the one that has the gurgling of the root and it's going to be in the middle of the path  maybe the silver linden and nine fourteen is another silver linden it is the one that has the root system problem which i thought you needed to further evaluate i thought you knew that there was a problem but you weren't sure about the extent of the problem and what what was shared with me was because of the trees that are currently in the park they have buffered that tree already from the weather is that the weather that comes it's near the p it was if the path was left in its current location up to you so there's only one tree other than the one she's saying that you have to your proposal in the other area no i'm asking you general i think i'm saying the park or you move forward i mean just like you would if we weren't doing a redesign the part if you found out that the tree in a year from now is got to go you can tell us hey this thing is gone backwards for us fast ok and there's also a little leaf linden in that area just yesterday and that one's also healthy but going ok we got to get back to we're going to get back to dealing with us it's in front of us because we're we're winding request that that the american know that there be a huge effort to retain the american in this design that this be looked at and that there would be a sincere effort in looking at if in the that tree can be retained and or stand about the retaining wall i understand about the  stormwater i really do understand i mean i have a greater appreciation for the park and what everyone is trying to accomplish but i also have a really great appreciation for the street ok so for the record you're not making  and me moving that there would be a concentrated effort i mean a real effort to retain the american elm in this design so you're asking that it be reexamined and that's not not you're not making a motion to be bring this is a separate ok amendment so we have a hard motion with the amendments that have passed that you which was to state the ones that have well the crab apple tree flying yes the excuse me the sugar maple which was nine sixty four the silver linden which was a nine already voted on them individually right this is sort of a vote can you live with everything so far which i think is sort of useful from my perspective you could still we haven't done any and alterable damage you can vote against  as that's a that's it that's we're voting on that as amended so and we need to move forward it's getting late here folks so everybody in favor of this amended proposal recognizing there's other motions to come please stay on top of things  eight now that's not that's not that's starts that's this process yes if it's if the motion is a good faith effort i think that's something that we can live with understanding there are details that we don't haven't fully looked at haven't fully analyzed and may not work if it's every effort i think that is too broad and requires too much but if it's a good faith effort to take to do it we can live with it ok i want to you cut your finger  of just that real quick i'm i'm in favor of this good faith effort and i'm told but what i'm saying is that we have one expert here who's a tree expert and we have the people down and i don't want experts coming in from wyoming and california and everybody else thanks this is we're putting the faith within this group here tonight to save this tree and if we hear from the people that are doing this project that they've made a good faith effort i want it to be a done deal the mayor the mayor has agree summer the summer before i was working for this other company gave me a sample of the tree of princeton known that was down by waterfront park that died that i sent to a diagnostic lab and confirmed that  when you add to it if you're the bark beetle which transfers the fungus associated with dutch elm disease targets stress trees so if we attempt to do some the tree assessment just used three categories he is good therefore and for t j use more categories and we consider the way v j categorized his trees anything that was fair to good we consider that  because one has already retained that the d r p me ok got that so that we have five more trees and we want to focus on one actually two of them are in the northwest corner one of them was tree number nine fifteen you let go hook it's a healthy triggered so we're like we want to save that tree of we believe that you would have to have a design change to the location of the path and however you want to it doesn't however you'd want to move the path about doesn't matter that but you know there is a current path there and that tree currently exists so one fifteen that's a little leaf linden the other tree in that northwest corner it was nine big silver maple and this is on the other end of that rain garden and in this little tree rate here is the one nine eleven that you wanted to retain so it would entail some and we'd get modifications of the there's two trees on this one fifteen and nine twelve two trees in the northwest corner and then over in the southwest corner we are looking at these three trees free here and they are nine fifty our guy actually our master arborist said they all three of these were healthy veejay has one that was healthy and the other two were in fair and we consider fair to be anything from fair above to be a healthy tree path and my position has been you know considering that a third of the path is going to be paved that there's this complete major redesign based on the design  team that just happened to run over all these healthy trees that we're trying to save and that's why i would like to ask for a softening on the position of the little area the little quote unquote performance area in front of the of the crab apple trees i think that we you know that we could reach a compromise with sharon's interesting things that she's brought up about the whole idea about you know planting an additional tree there and then trying to do a companion tree while that maple comes back you know my and my personal position would be to save all the crab bulls make a slight adjustment to that corner and i just want to see it as if it isn't obvious in the new plan that is a three hundred sixty degree huge performance space right there with well it lets you know we can throw it up there it's very large there's no fountain breaking it up when the when the jets are turned off it's a big flat open surface  that is a very good performance face that's what it's for and then the additional park lane is you know if anybody would like to make a wager for me about how often dca decides to use that area for their own events i'm quite sure that i would win that it would be a majority so in other words i really think that with the the the oval which obviously can conserve is a performance face space with movable chairs and all the things that we've talked about with that entire quadrant in front of the be ca being completely paved over that you know and we can't change any of the paths and everything's too close to the to the rain garden it can do this and you can't do that that the one thing that i would ask that we could we could ask for design wise is to you know take a keep that little ampitheater there with the crab apple trees for their natural life stop dissing them they're just a little bunch a little grove of trees you know we're going to see so much of a clearing of the rest of the place that that would you know protecting those crab apple trees with whatever you know sharon's things  suggestion that we passed away and yet that she's thoughtfully tried to think about succession and how the how best to do that and adding that one more tree there in that area that's you know in front of the b c a that's going to be all paved over an obviously use for our markets and things like that that if we could just get a concession on leaving the theater trying to work with sprucing it up we can put mulch under the trees of grasses and grow there i mean there are quite a few creative things that we could do to keep that people love you know if they're not going to live that much longer everybody can who doesn't like them can look forward to the day that they die but until then can't we please do something that you that that keeps a little bit of continuity in the park how it is now in the face of all these other dramatic changes and if we were to do that we could go to buying those two things i certainly would be able to go happy go home happy i think design for all the other things that are being removed because they're you know that they unfortunately were drawn right you know they just happened to be living where the past were drawn and you know that would be you know a small concession to the design retain the balance of the past retain the rain garden and really actually not affect the in pretty much the entire plan in any other way than just keeping that one ampitheater not turning it into a square guess i think it's the starting point from the conversation frankly i don't think it was fair or appropriate to say nothing in the history of compromise and accommodation that happened before this committee was formed mattered and that the city has been in good faith working listening trying to add back trees and if you add just since the start of the rb process there's another how much there's another force that gets you twelve if you go back to fall two thousand and sixteen when keep green began raising serious concerns about the trees there are another at least five maybe or she's right around city hall park silver maple so you're up to seventeen trees that since the start of these concerns being raised and each time something is added it's said nothing's being done here we're not being listened to we're not being accommodated and it's just not it's just not right and we've had a good process around these gone through it carefully and certainly this is not something i voted against most of those changes but i can live with them i think we start adding the additional ones that are proposed are really doing damage to this plan and i think we start at the ask yourself whether it's whether it's really worth continuing to go forward with this project it starts to really cut  it's not you're not just cutting fat anymore you're way past that you not just came back muscle you're cutting into the bone of this design and it was we had an explicit vote at the council we want redesign and the council the majority of the council was contested modifications that are being proposed here is one more vote and well i would like to hear i mean i know what to to thank you mary i know what the issue of the two crabapples is obviously that's about the space there ok well if you want me the other arguments in the issue that you crabapples is it very much impacts this area that as i said at the outset like i repeat that stimulus you want me to present right but i think it's important space today it's not in great shape today is not a love part of the park today it is not it is not a well used part of the park you'll be vastly improved if we keep make these changes the path that we're talking about in the west southern quadrant we in the first meeting had extensive discussion to do what is being proposed here would not just negatively impacted it would have a host of other negative impacts on this design that we can bring out the slides and go through them again it's that is that is a bad idea and we should not do that the nine eleven the nine twelve the red oak there i thought that was interesting when we were in the field i made the team go back and look carefully at this you would have to very much redesign that area you're cutting out on one side of that you're cutting out the roots to put in the you put in the scape on the other side of the core you're cutting out the roots to put in the drainage there's nothing left to get something left there you would have to have a very substantial redesign i don't think we should do that we've talked about nine fourteen nine fifteen already i just don't think any of these additional ones being proposed are close to violence without serious compromise on the nine that series undermining the other nine nine twelve would require major redesign right it we were required basically that entire all the root system is being ripped out by the construction right here so you would have to put back on both sides quite dramatically i think in time it totally redesign in that area to get our interest in the same thing or not as i fifteen is in the middle of the path you would have to you'd have to relocate the path and it sounds easy and looks easy when you're just sort of looking at from here to actual relocation everyone is this it is not simple relocation a path and there's no simple relocation that doesn't start to impact something else there unless you're going to keep the exact same path which is deeply problematic there's not going to be way to save all those trees thank you so those trees are bad health or so it's their health care ok as well and then the final three that's up to you you're making the motion you make the decision but motivated you want to speak before well i did i just wanted to respond to what the mayor said and the things that we have know yeah and like i said we didn't include the prints we're not throwing down the gauntlet here about the southwest corner we haven't even said anything about that and that was the three perfectly healthy trees that we were hoping that the the  that path could be adjusted slightly so you know we've got shot was shot down on that you know we can't do this here we can't do this there you know the one the one place where they can't you know it can't be said that you're just ripping apart the whole design or ruining everything for everybody is protecting that crab apple grove and that you know and i heard well you know people are using it for all sorts of things and i call that it's not being used because it's not good enough so you've made both statements mr mayor in the same evening and i have been there i have attended things there it's a very small little area certainly if people want to do a dance in the park from this point on there's certainly going to be a great deal of additional space in which to do things so i don't i don't agree that keep the park green is not coming here and saying you've got a massive redesign we just backed off of every single thing that we've raised since we got here we had to back off on the rain garden we had to back off on the southwest corner now we've got to back off on the other corner and you know everything else is paved and we're trying to protect this little grove of crab apple trees that everybody attests are healthy and they may not you know live for another you know ten or fifteen years and if one is sick it can it can be caught but now it's because all of that little tiny effort theatre is like such a crucial part of the design everything is a crucial part of this design and this is like the most minuscule modification that could be made where we can come we can exist protect some existing trees in that area where there's not going to be hardly any shade and so i don't i don't feel like there's a fair characterization of that as far as  of trees that are obscuring you know the view of city hall park i mean i mean i've said the city hall building i mean it's not like we can't see the building from the other side it's not like you can't walk around the park and see the building i mean if you really want to see the building why don't we just cut down every single tree and then you'll definitely be able to see it so i think that that is kind of a specious argument and also those red maples that are all that are all running the building we happen to know that none of those are in particularly good eminently reasonable and you know we we could you know if nobody wants to give which is what i'm feeling you know and then we are going to you know be in a bad place and it's going to be embarrassing for all of  us and certainly very disappointing for our legal right to appeal the decision and having all this public outcry to for to you know to for not even just be awful so i think that we've been extremely flexible and we've backed off with from several things when we were told it can't be done because the pain to the path can't be changed and so if there is no you know the the attitude is that no path can be changed you know  move the rain guard or the guard over slightly to protect the silver maple which i'm not the least bit convinced will not be harmed by that because of its drip line you know and i'm talking about a little crow a little grove of crab apple trees that are probably not you know that much longer for this world but a lot of people really like those trees so that's just saying i'm trying to come to compromise but i don't think it's fair to characterize that you know somehow we've been shooting down  i think it's actually been to the congress is taking place thanks ronnie excel you you you what i need is you need to tell me how you want to vote you want to do one vote as mayor suggested you want to do three votes and i just so i clarify something for the ok let's go to sorry go you after sure i just want to clarify so the the little amphitheater area that is semi circular  could you know we wouldn't get the rectangle but we could repave that up higher at the elevation of park lane and we could build it in a way that when the crab apples die we squared off and we grade that mound off so i mean i think now i know i'm just saying that the amphitheatre doesn't have to remain there if the crab apples remain we can make it more accessible by making it all flush and we could look at potentially is there a way to squared off i just wanted to throw that out there saying thanks thanks for that clarification well yeah i mean the tent won't fit until the crab apples go ok ok thank you  i do the southwest corner trees first of all i think we've had ample discussion on them and if everybody agrees so the southwest corner trees nine fifty eight fifty seven fifty six all those in was in favor of retaining those two please raise your hands and opposed that feels five to two now the final one is the two crab apples all those in favor of a question explain to me what you were just talking about over here the the semicircular amphitheater is sunken down below the sidewalk by the steps of city hall i was just pointing out that we could potentially look at a way of phasing in where are the rectangle by repaving and elevating getting rid of cable and stuff in there and then there's a mound that these three crabapples sit on that is higher than this elevation so when those do fail whenever they fail we could re retain that grove i mean we've we've we're losing the we're losing two of them already of the eight existing ones and so that's what my consideration is that the that little grove of now that would be five with the so i think we're ready all those in favor of this proposal to save the additional crab apple trees please raise your hands