you can do it from right there that's fine another voice for what might have been happening people are questioning issues before here the county council other commissions where they don't fit into the time girl but i'm just letting you know that the people who are very concerned the greatest comfort that's going to come to them to leave them with the feeling of confidence that there are records that you can get a hold of them you're welcome to plan this is it me that doesn't have a lot readily available for the general public and a lot of stuff you could just put in the cloud is not available to so many section water and this i almost fifty years old so i hear what you're saying if you thought it was tedious for three years think about that and it turned out that the records were not wha i just want to bring up a point just recently you know the the water quality in hawaii bawi and if you read the news but was one of the pop five right in the nation so from what was in the past and what is today i don't think that has any any topic that we choose to take and the topics that we've chosen to take up to this point are ones that i think we've taken as close  method of looking at these things is something that we take very seriously your water shoe is heard and it's definitely something that we can discuss if our commission decides that it's something that is will give you a little bit to take a look at the very short moment chair for the remainder of the two thousand and sixteen two thousand and seventeen term which is not much longer essentially doing the interim vice chair is something that would only happen for the next sixty days or so so or we can choose a completely new actual vice chair that elect that person for a sense of the same duration and repeat that process over again in april it's the same thing really i think i think it makes sense if we go ahead and move forward you know we like the someone because i think the new person coming  do is i make sure that we have an agenda to get that agenda get okayed through shelley and ed and then it gets sent out i leave the meetings that's the second thing so if i never not here then the vice chair will take over those responsibility of leading those meetings that require some knowledge of robert's rules which you can get training from from a corporation counsel so they provide that training at one meetings according to robert's rules so those are the primary responsibilities  responsibility i feel the first responsibility of anybody who sits on the commission is to show up to me to say that we can have the right because if you don't show up to the meetings we can't have meetings and the commission is essentially no so essentially what that means is i want to allow us to operate the less commissioners that show up to meetings means that we cannot operate so that's a that's the number one responsibility i see is for those commissioners now there is a process for commissioner school to continually the charter but essentially i believe what i remember is that we get the mayor to send a letter to said commissioner stating such and such and such we need a response from the commissioner for saving or whatever and then they can be eliminated and if needed if something can't be taken care of between those is a reasonable expectation without having to share the pillars of the have a good i mean really all that said the minimum is allowing us to operate that's that's what i see as being the most important so as long as we're we have that minimum number that allows us to act as a commission to accept testimony to discuss and deliberate on the topics that we've we've had fantastic you don't even have to say anything you can just sit there and i'm going to be happy you know skills and the available work that commissioners are able to take you know where you will to do our duties if we need to change expectations of what we're doing then it's better for us to change those expectations rather than ask people to do things  comes an issue of being able to load in groups and caucus things on a timely manner that's if that is an issue of please come to me as a chair and we can redistribute some of those duties to make sure that you don't exactly having said that if you know of anybody that is looking at providing service to our county please encourage them to put in an application to the mare's office because they're always looking for people that are willing to serve on these commissions and the mayor's office is the one who actually chooses where to put people so on and so forth according to their discretion so don't be shy about asking people to tell them all about the workplaces that you feel coming to these meetings and talking about these things  that she will be able to leave stuff discussion so while parked up until if there are no objections we'll park out until i can get a little bit more information of where she was at and collect all of the things that she has already gathered in regards to that topic five minute decision next month and you know based on what we have and of those kinds of things she's going to end up with some problem or stuff that might be considered for i mean she's not here to carry on by friday could maybe be something to consider for the next if you could just inform shelley of that so that we're aware of it ok questions department track safety and health reform and choosing proactive performance metrics or just simply count losses subquestion if yes what are your results for example what is your osha reportable rate how many days away from your family days last time a restricted duty and many days without injury question two senior managers physically demonstrate leadership and commitment to safety and health performance question three how are middle and senior leaders held accountable for safety performance of the department question for safety performance considered in annual performance reviews for all managers and supervisors question five are safety and health programs audited annually and if so do these all it's included in duties audit include assessments of safety practices and procedures the operations and maintenance groups question six do workers or the representatives participate in the development and implementation of safety health programs seven has your department committed sufficient staff resources to support safety and health programs example  leadership of skilled or safety professionals the question age is safety and health integrated into the culture and business processes and as a business value the sub question hey the metrics  that a second set of data components will tie back into the best practices report and of course the player of our evaluation is the insurance report and the losses yet the areas for improvement there are certain apartments and areas of improvement th the other discussion on this does anybody have any comments any questions about what's happening here apparently the big thing is it's much as possible making sure everybody goes on the way they came here so i mean that's the best that's there you can't place a value on that and then too there is there's a for what we would consider for a private practice business outside is there any way of how would you kill a street something like that graphically for  public utilities ok is there any way of getting information that's related to departments other than water so for example we have noticed that they do have in the central report a department level breakdown for those and they  would be to find like municipalities where you could get that information to compare against so it would be nice to have the other counties in hawaii if possible i know you have  were best practices rule you want to share that because it's here you i mean it because you if you if you go if you want that all your guys to go back but you want everybody else's guys to go back to sin you share to hire more professionals that are specific to safety and risk management within the parks and recreation department as an example which you guys be able to state what that cost was the marginal cost for you know a whole bunch of training versus you know somebody using plows my color or something like this there may be days of training involved and might have to go special a special minutes that that runs through to the point where you took a here's a here's another question for you guys you get these back from the departments and you have yes yes yes what degree though does it help you to answer that question of like the softer things that you've been talking about is it integrated is the leadership there that kind of stuff sure well then ok well then off whether we have the metrics here and then i think there would be it would be nice to have a little interview sit down and discuss program ok well if you're if you're going to say yes we have  back so many times over to put the safety mechanisms in front of the problem than it does to pay for the broken bones and the health issues how we got to pay those lawyers so we got a  you know i just think that's important and haul out and this connection would be too much to ask for a basic outline of what your report section would look like over the next couple of weeks before report comparing those two together interview recommendations you know something like that and that it gives me a framework of your of your logic in your understanding which is what this is question is about  me so that i can then go through it one time get a response back from whoever that we can have it on our agenda for next month consideration of additional or potential topics is there anything else we're getting kind of late in the game here guys i don't want to quite time i just write and start procedural question being a new or person on the newest person how do you come up with your topics and you know one thing i have i've talked to several department heads and said well what would you want the cost of government commission to looking at and i talked to counsel people and said what would you want to ask on the commission that you're looking at i don't know if we have a process for systematically interviewing key stakeholders like like the budget the i'm looking at the topics that were to discuss there are a number of criteria that i'd like to go off of the first one being is it appropriate for this commission that's the first topic according to our charter is in an appropriate topic for us to of our commission and i would say my recommendation is that we don't take up that topic and refer to the appropriate commission or individual that would be the ones to look at salaries is another good one we get questions about looking at salaries a lot there's a salary commission that talks about those kinds of things my recommendation is to refer it to that commission say commission that has that responsibility because we don't want to overlap the work that we're trying to do here a second criteria that i'd like to have is what are the skills of the individuals around the table to perform that analysis if we do not have the skills appropriate for it doing that analysis that it's probably a topic that would be best served us not looking at it simply because we can do as methodical or as complete or as good a job as we would like so can change that's fluid it's somewhat dependent on the individuals that sit around the table we're lucky enough to have individuals that have experience and energy individuals that have experience with working with large businesses in those regards for risk management i see those then as being topics that are appropriate for us to tackle because we have the necessary expertise to do that third criteria is that i want us to do topics that we're excited about it's more likely that you guys are going to do work on topics that you're interested in and that you're in gauged in and if i were to give up a topic that nobody really wanted to do i would never force that topic because we're going to get poor results because of it's none of us are getting paid to do any of this so i think it's important that we choose topics that we are excited by and there's a section at least in the two or three reports that i've had a look at that explains what was brought forward what we chose and why we did or do not use certain items made our discussions you have something well there's a couple of things that i heard in my discussions with people one of them that's come up several times is the idea of doing accounting budget every two years and setting a real budget so is that i don't know if that's something that we've talked working group this route and i'm quite interested in the cost of regulations in the county regards to agriculture and they mostly are mostly are coming out of the planning department so i think there's  a perspective that would say that our small farmers are overregulated in what they can do and there's a cost associated with that so i think you know that's one of those things where intuitively know we have an issue but i don't have the specific on early on and he's he did a really good job in the presentation explaining that he's bound by certain states that we as a as a body are not  surely had mentioned that i mean this should not restrict us from looking into this topic so my first question though is how the current topics that we're looking at are running and if you feel that you have enough capacity to do those topics yourselves and that's a question to the commissioners time city commissioner bunny commission of the days at the moment how do you feel about your capacity to get something for our report do you need help would you like help oh i thought i had  realistically if stanford is not meeting with fred energy folks until next month and the deadline for departments to respond is two weeks from tomorrow  then it's and then it has a few by the commission and one for meeting which is you're so you're still a number of months out so i guess you know there's a couple of ways you can go on this you could hire something short and sweet and say am comfortable with that and let's trust the letter something short indicating that these are the topics that we're going to be looking at  stand on what it is that we're looking at we can even put in the review section that we usually have at the beginning of our reports about what occurred since our last topic which is going to be a little lengthy force from our last report those sections we can all put together and get ready for an april and april release we can then look at putting out a substantive current report maybe and then repeat  of overview report big of what we're looking at that gives us a lot more flexibility and i think it's actually more digestible by the public to get single issue reports as opposed to some two hundred page document that has three or different while we can be the offer him or her accepting that offer is completely at the discretion of the chair it's a budget and that's the norm for the call that we've been going through for i think just about every report that we've ever done issues concerns i don't feel bad if they're busy people over there i see i see the reasons the feeling going to share with bulldog ideas about how we're going to do that are important at this point that yeah dave has a lot of different things having said that i think that the report there are there have been reports that have had some real changes have led to some real substantive stuff here at the county whether it's the adoption or following of our recommendations right so an example of that just being our last report are formally listening to us or not i see it as being less important the work that we do are things that people see and that people are taking note of more higher quality we put out the more likely it is that they'll give the creative stuff hard work merits because of it are there any other discussions on tie lights that we decided on what we're going to actually do april we're going to do a quick overview for what we're doing and then we will look at tie lines of how those actual reports will get done and i would like to be able to set out something a bit more substantive specific to those reports april not march so once more march we're going to continue to discuss these topics and then by april is when we put all of our review documents we've got john mark me judith i would really like to see one of these reports get out and we'll discuss a little bit more whether we've smashed it together in one volume or if it makes more sense to put them out as they're done i see a lot of it that's a step because it allows us to be much more flexible in what it is that we're doing i would want to feel rushed into any specific  ne though we should be pushing ourselves to actually completing analyses whether it is or any other discussion or comment on that how are moving forward seeing that let's move forward determine of because we were going on about that robbing peter to pull the year was moving over right so as it does make it explicit if at all possible and any estimate of how much time you feel you'll be able to spend on that for the remainder of our current fiscal year so that we don't go over