other matters that are asserted are not substantiated are supported by happened they that are behind copies certified copies of depositions justice fitzgerald recently said that the difference between six one five and six one nine that under six twenty five to test the sufficiency of the complaint and under six one nine you around seven o'clock after her husband had told her that she was just assigned to help him get this i don't feel help him stop and bizarre skeet was asked by jennifer why would i have to sign for his bar and bizarre ski doo why he knew that mr margarita had had his credit rejected and he knew and because the value of the water bill was insufficient in relation to the amount of the long so not only that this obligation could not be identity theft and secondly a loan that is made in circumstances where you know the person again it's a predatory lo now the defendant has to move outside the parameters of the complaint and they have made statements as to what jennifer testified and her deposition and we have home heating three children when this man deserves to have here and she confirms that she asked why should she be signing for his part and bizarre ski do and he didn't say anything he pointed out where she should sign when she signed and some of these documents are all we don't know we're not building on they were black and in the record or you concede some of the exhibits showed today that they are signed but they are in line deposition they never told her that they would apply for credit in her name got a credit application approved in her name and incidentally that credit application of december the ni and when we asked for the copies of these applications than there would have been four applications in her name we got a ride by judge and that was never the rule why then they had one in her name the following day and then the substitution yeah using the same didn't come back that he had and then in march when they were working up as a that she actually signed these documents the fact is that the applications were never produced except from green not brings credit manager would mess that marguerita work time which was not true now why he had that application which was never asked upon by g mac is a matter of speculation difference in the price and that check is in the record and it shows it was issued by his condo and he made all payments up until some time i think in two thousand and five stop making the payments and the car was repossess the case of south holland i think also has to be mentioned in this case because that help the finance company when it is directly involved in the fraud an that would be one of the earliest date ones you would be at the earliest date to sign off on contracts then the better the  retains that scan application for a period of time to do no harm so it should be the actual application rather than information that they derive from it but that's what i understood that he said he said it was scanned into the produce the original of the documents so that we could look at the originals they never did documents and then they just wouldn't do it but it was there for a month that's right well that's that was our next step and in the trial of this case it was too we had a pending motion to produce the yeah on file yeah but then they have they've been very difficult in all of the discovery in this case but they do if you file a request to produce