still i think part of her curiosity you you've come here with some serious ideas and the question is how do i phrase this do you have an agenda or are you coming to because you want instead of being reactive to be more of the parties and more proactive as i think i am now the whole story i only see the tip of the iceberg and reacted to it so i really don't know and i think i'm much more open minded than i've probably shared about a lot of the issues that are before the town i  think i've learned a lot by coming listening to different points of view and i've changed my thinking a little bit i think also so it is hard headed as i may have appeared trying to get you know one particular thing done and so you saw that side which is that i think pretty productive side but there's another side that really is much more  you know thoughtful and open minded that if you can't handle then i would recommend making that choice because i mean you know it can feel frustrating but having been through three years and you know so happens i ha plans and said good shape it is really up to i just wonder if you had looked at it and had any ideas about areas where you think it makes sense to focus attention on doing well not that worry about strategies and to me that that's a lot of what the town plan is is what's the current state of affairs what's the internal stuff like what is the town doing and what is the world around us doing economy i feel like unless we can attract younger professional people that the population will kind of dwindle and i look at it as like a competitive thing and if we were business like here we are the town we want lots of tax revenue you know so that we can produce a good product which is a really nice community lifestyle and maybe good schools and place to start  s a place to have good recreation like that's our crime so i think about the town but i'm like what i want to return things does the town need to do to be able to respond to the changing preferences of people who live in the town and pay taxes and contribute positively so that we don't become like the loser town that nobody wants to live there and i think there's like a double edged sword you want your property i work for myself i want my property value to grow because i'm trying to grow a set but i don't wan pay high taxes and that's i think that's the conundrum you know i think most people want their property values to grow over time but don't necessarily want to pay taxes so something that is growth you have to stuff you know where does the sewer go because i really want to live here for a long time i guess i want to be able to stay in my house and in my house my kids  discomfort with the way it is now so i don't necessarily want to wait till i change but i'd like the town to be able to adapt so that he'd take advantage of more opportunity  would absolutely love like somehow electrical trolley car that went from brown's room to the school or to the flats to the elementary school or to the richmond park and ride around brown's trace road down and they unfortunately they have given us digital copies of them but basically and the problem again is timing because right now we're really going to be working  useful the way they're presenting the information that are just coming in talking about how we've got some information we think you know i should know about it to come with a recommendation of what to do in that information was or was really  and that helps us to then go ahead and make the regulation changes that are compatible with the town plan after it's been updated some exams it does make sense a higher level review and understanding his maps as we talk about the natural resource section of the town plan makes sense and that might be part of how it's going i ask them to take a look at the natural resource action of the town plan and make suggestions just as i best the energy task force which means talking to myself to work on the energy section in this body can accept or reject and you have until  theoretically all we have to do is is the numbers we can have it completely as it is i think the most important thing to work on is the implementations and goals and strategies but defined by what they are not which is really a good way of doing things so i mean i think we're not going to make wholesale changes to the town plan it's a good i think it's a good  us because about i think it's in good shape so the question is how do we go about it do we want to start looking at the definitions of the districts and see if we want to make any change my suspicion is that it's not in jericho again i should know because it's on the land trust but but berber farm definitely is that was conserved but from our trust in that  if i bought a large chunk of land and i got a conservation easement on this or any reason why i wouldn't want it automatically designated as part of an open space district because this is where you're saying it's all chunks of that land  it should be put in the open space district does he have the right to say no you're not putting it in the open space to trade because your space being designated as open spaces it put any restrictions on what can happen on the property and i mean there is public access in the woods behind my house and still not open space district but that's because it's a tacit understanding because it's not posted that if you want to walk through there was a walk through the woods right if you want to build an more that's another story but i feel like i hear what you're saying i just have my memory of that project and visit there was a specific component of it that really was same maybe i think i think the example i would use is to for instance a time i grew up in it is on the post road in connecticut it's very historic blah blah blah nobody wants her house on it on the historic register existing date does it automatically go on to historic or to serve do i have to petition to get it on there or does all states who does you know does a test or in this case is a town automatically put your property in the open space where you have to ask the public and i don't know if this place is timing ten trail piece of that property is public or quasi popular and i am here i mean that the reason i mention the burger from a gateway and i'm pretty sure that none of gateways actually jericho  of outdoor recreation is allowed in general outdoor recreation is conditional dormitories and hostels for some reason or permitted and exists or restructures are conditional t although that's land trust land it's being farmed is promising there is a trail but that's not sufficient for it to visit in the opens this district there is a map to race according to or so although there is a trail it's not considered open space so the question is then with the lease the siding to the piece also not be open space because it's just a trail that a trail is not sufficient yeah and it's  or the commercial district it's the planning commission drawing lines  yeah i mean it's a sister yeah so it's not as though something automatically but i mean for instance when the land trust conserved the other side parking for that it had been there's a reason i don't want to be on this commission until there is not a single there is the single brown hair left because after a while when you you've done the cycle of this is the this is what we've done this is right we'll continue to do you need to look at it with fresh son i mean absolute perfect sense ok character of jericho by preserving significant a static recreation of natural resources as well as a working land base but maybe recreational working lands and natural resources structural working well just to get over there i just good thing the stables are allowed wildlife management is allowed a kennel is a conditional use there his residential uses are either per conditional but just single family in rural residential and rural residential is is kind of this in between you know again with these definitions of what it isn't we're all resident give got village center village  but if there's a section that should be conserved it makes more sense to have it be this forest and walk than a block and the village center here isn't it i mean it certainly doesn't mean that it has to help state and local officials make sound decisions about land use combined with forest measures which it doesn't say and range land parameters you know range when lisa can provide a technical framework to maritally rank land parcels yeah so i just think when we talk about it in the definition it would be great to refer to what it means right just to make that definition more meaningful working lands district and there was a discussion a while back of combining the ag and the forestry just rick the problem though is that a lot of the district isn't really it really is a room residential that's just we want we want we want to we want to have a landscape the reason for these districts is to have a landscape that isn't chopped up indiscriminately that and protects resources that are working you know of being able to being able to do active agriculture an act of forestry even if it's not happening right now right even to work that land then to reside on and mother lawn you know and that's why you want to protect it in these districts so it's not about the current use it's what is actual uses for the town and there's an i don't know that it i don't think i wonder if the forestry district should be called something else and this should either be the ak enforcer district or working lands district or you know that and maybe that's too big of a change i don't know  what i just i just worry that if you currently own property is destroyed from i think what you're saying is you shouldn't be allowed to develop it now i'm  farm it at some point twenty five years i'm not recommending changing anything about how you can develop a no i'm just recommending change potentially changing the name to be more descriptive of what it on the land at all i'm talking about why we have why why i think we have this district again not recommending any changes and what so what that means in terms of the general really did have this discussion five years ago because back district isn't  when you when you look at the table uses what differences between the two more is allowed in the agricultural district and a lot more of the town and the agricultural just the forestry district is just is like v than center these are just things that that aren't in the forestry district in is permitted instead of conditional you can have a small garden the center of a small gallery museum can do most things so for only but even if you cut down every tree on the line that will grow back the grow back at right guard by down are you in thirty years and i want to have right so that so isn't the same thing true about agriculture yes if you and agricultural land within the rural district and other uses are from and right like orders of the rural district is to provide open land for agriculture forestry and rural housing so the purpose  the sceptic suitability  language to refer to the resources available whether it's the fleas so whether it's prime examples of the federal level of the state level purpose of it is to provide for land uses are compatible with the transition between the higher density religion rasha the village centers in the lower density open space forestry and rural once the purpose of the residential district is to provide land uses which are appropriate for the transition between the higher density village and village center districts in the lower density open space forestry and world district yeah but it's now about is that that is not a district that should be expanded right we don't want any more so i mean maybe if we want to do a historical piece just say development in the residential district has generally consisted of scattered low density residential development  you want or do we want to live in it i think we did maybe we wanted but as you were saying we don't want any more out here maybe it's this transition it's role is to be a transition between the rural areas so do it once jason has a good point that this ends differently than the others but i mean do we i don't know that we want to end it by saying we want to kill this district we say we say  e got a huge problem because or doing oh yes yes thank you i used to be good at this ok so we will just quickly for the agenda for our next meeting we will definitely get back to this i think this next week is called out so we'll do a quick review of the survey to see if we need to send out if we need to divvy it up so that the hard copy is right ok we probably will need some time to get acquainted to the new plan or yes and yes i mean i think this this was a good discussion i would suggest that we keep going great on the town plan now on getting acquainted with a new plan start it's easier said than done i need to feel to say we want her to lead or we don't want her to leave because we also don't know what she's like right and we should i think it would make sense that maybe we should talk  and then saying we got to you know there's a very tangible task on the agenda which is a day in the town plan what's the best way for us all so there's like a generic how do you work and then like the specific task and then and then that's the next of like identifying what the other tasks are i mean i think that's we'll get there yeah we'll get there speaking of which what form based but that's part of the good i believe that's part of what is on the agenda for the select they they had the first hearing and then they had to postpone it the second hearing because they made the change to the commercial district language so at this point they waited enough but i think all of us have already forgotten or thrown up right and yet until yeah but but when we get to the commercial district in this process where we're starting from is we need to look at their language and there is absolutely that was more where i was  day just as somebody yeah yeah you know actually and i thought it was just really done and then what happens i mean that a good way to for people doing the continuing follow up is and i can help try and provide that