founded fear of persecution at least in part on account of political opinion or membership in a particular social group that's also group being a member of that the loss of family who actively campaigned for his father in against the  an example outside the country where we've had revolutionary groups who have used bank robbery for example to finance their operations because if we translate that into the philippine situation does work wait do we give to the political nature of the criminals when what they are doing is in fact criminal activity is that automatically political then if they persecute or rough op or kill anybody who gets in their way for example let's suppose that on the way to rob a bank they encounter someone i think is going to be a witness of my i don't have a great theory but my understanding that there was a hammer and sickle emblem scrawled on the family story when it was ransacked and at there was a separate incident where there you know would you like me to continue our no we'll hear from the other side  persecuted and perhaps whether mr gill also itself was persecuted problem for them was that the immigration judge did not really believe that evidence the immigration judge concluded well they've given a lot of differing not occurring well the immigration judge did master simply find that none of the incidents occurred the immigration judge said well the testimony and the evidence offered  challenge that the instance happened it's just who is going to immigration judge did not go into detail with respect to that he really made no findings as to whether or not these incidents happened what he did say is the there's lot of conflicting evidence in the evidence provided by the petitioners and lots of the conflicting evidence was brought about through leading questions of mr de los of this council so essentially the judge says i believe that the most plausible reason for anything that happened to the father was the revenge motivation right but the i mean the point is you're asking us to say well because the i j a express d reservations with making it but not making a finding that the events of them occurred comes down to whether it was purely criminal surely political or a little bit of both when did i mean what are we supposed to do look at this that they did he i don't think so he however and i'm not going to quibble with respect to what incidents happened or not what the immigration judge essentially did was make an implicit average credibility determination with respect to every bit of the every bit of evidence offered that anything that happened to the other little also was on account of his political opinion and then i was out again first credibility finding out against that father was extraordinarily very at some initially when mr de los of junior sumit is asylum application he blamed everything on the communists and the n p a and then initially in his father's affidavit he believed everything on the n p a and the communists didn't mention anything about the drug lord and then mr that the communist didn't like him because he participated in the father's campaign and that the father's campaign was strictly on an anti communist basis interestingly enough there's campaign literature in the record which does not mention anything about the communist always says is that if you elect me i will engage in projects which will help the community and in fact in a later declaration mr de los of senior stated that  the his campaign was only mildly associated with anti communism that the main thrust of his campaign was anti crime in other words anti the drug lord and anti drug use so as you can see the applicant's stories both the stories of his of him and his father changed to an incredible degree  sons application that attributes fathers problems with the drug war mr as big as sons desire for revenge and again the only things really that happens to the low so himself was an attack by knife wielding drug credit it is because in initial applications not this mention of hammer and sickle there was no mention of a hammer and sickle it was later on during i believe testimony that there were some were there are many many different allegations and many of the allegations were conflicting as well as i have described again mr the low so there's no evidence that really addressed as i've said your honor but in any event there's no evidence that that shooting was directed in anybody if anybody it's the father and there's no evidence that anybody based upon anti communism when the campaign literature doesn't indicate that that is so when the father himself said that i only campaign lightly on anti communism but the main thrust of my comic campaign was was criminal activity let me let me leave you not to return he returned twice apparently he said he returned twice because the weather was too cold in the united states jesse they'll also testified that he didn't leave the philippines with the rest of his family not because he believed that indicates money trying to make the point is there nobody is afraid of anything and nobody was persecuted because of anything well i think that's a bit dry your honor but it's cast doubt upon the credibility of the story that he was persecuted or has a well founded fear of persecution based upon his political opinion or fear of the n p a he stayed in the philippines apparently as you testified because he wanted to wait until he was accepted by the merchant marine then he was accepted by the merchant marine travel throughout the world doesn't apply to europe the middle east and asia doesn't apply for asylum any place and he also one of these statements one of the statements says that testimony where it's your honor given that the immigration judge did not make an adverse credibility a finding this court should give it full weight inconsiderate and give whatever way somebody unsubstantiated opinion i mean you've things have to compel conclusions up here and our level now our who who owns the giant i think it's the communists and if they just let that go and we have to credit that around i think the conclusion that has to be compelled is that the problems that the family suffered were at least in part on account of political opinion i believe that the criminal and the political components are so intertwined