is before we move into the presentations i would like to ask if anyone has any opportunity one wants to share anything with us this is our public comment section for items that are not on the agenda we don't usually get a lot of approved a capital plan for the year so that's part and there's what's in the capital plan so that's kind of part a but then when you call us close a part of what we're doing and there's a lot of projects that are going on that may not exactly show up in the capital plan the plan a commission needs to be aware of so i've given you three documents i want to go through of put it up on the board i want to cover that first the second document i want to talk about is just so you know the paving projects that are going on this year they have an impact of what we're doing so that's that's a quick one but just to go through that list it's already going up to bid in we're working with the paper to get that done and then the last one is one that you probably we've got our web page but it's the we've got a number of projects that are ongoing a are ongoing that may not make it to the active capital plan but there are projects that are in the mill that are in some stage of development and i think you need to they impact some cases what the planning commission is doing or looking at as far as projects so i want to but it's important to get to that one so let me deal with this one first we used to try to do a narrative in the capital plan book write out everything we're doing inside of this year that we're going to basically go to spreadsheets new finance department decided at the better way to do it i like to write so unfortunately i'm not writing and using spreadsheets but i can explain what's going on this is a total project cost we estimated for that particular project  these are dollars that come forward that we may have collected from impact fees from prior years that were on spent projects that we built it didn't cost as much so these are dollars that are essentially as of six thirty eighteen what we meet as of june in the back and that's not all that's in the bank because there's other projects that again that don't show up in the capital projects that we get developer impact fees for a particular project and manage capital plan but it's a category of costs that are sunk away in finance and we have all the line item for that item every year on the n u a budget there's two cents on the tax base that goes to capital projects that amounts to about a month you can scroll down to the new money we've also in the back of the top we've also got those funds that we set aside developer impact feeds so that's only a part of what we're spending i'm going to run through pretty quickly in the garage we're basically setting aside five thousand dollars for future improvements to be determined we're putting three thousand dollars into widely deferred expansion and maintenance we are actually using some of the money this is there's actually more money in today in there than the four thousand there's about a twenty five thousand the air conditioning failed in the library is going to be has been there last summer is pretty miserable the basements find the first floor isn't working the air conditioners are up in the between the ceiling and the roof they're impossible to get at impossible to get out so we're in coffee wherever else so that's on the community recreation is a community recreation facilities study that was set up it was supposed to spend thirty thousand dollars ten thousand dollars were set aside years and years ago with working alley recreation director we're taking that ten thousand dollars we're taking twenty thousand dollars in new money or taking another ten thousand dollars previous money and putting it we're doing a forty thousand dollars study to look at what's the remaining problems we have for space couple issues with regards to recreation indoor space they're renting space how much they need for the future a little bit with the fire department but the biggest issue is what we're looking at and looking forward in terms of whether we consolidate or not the village i agree on is updated at best small outdated wrong location town highway garages the same so what we're doing is we're going to look at three alternatives not where to put it we want to know if the village had to redo their hybrid garage what would it look like how big would have been worked on had to redo a highway garage of big would it be what would it cost and we want to put  together and see if we at some point in time consolidate and there's one garage of bees are going to be what's going to cost we're not trying to locate a site or do anything for we just want to find out what are the options for the future and what's a back pack so we have a forty facility and putting that towards the highway garage essentially bring it towards not be partial at recreations face partial or fire department spaces look more small space that they need ours is the bigger one so you know out of that forty thousand their force of the study might run to standard we've paid a certain amount of money green on power to really amp those who thought only amps the first one we had in for the first five or six years when it's good so we've done that but there is one of their we putting a little bit of money away so if the energy committee has demands or needs they can look at it some funds to be able to afford some of their project there is money for the reap redoing the water tower to for right now force put their project on hold the structure site is trying to get that done they're trying to get collections and anybody who wants to contribute this is the pitch they need money we really need to redo the roof and you can't really redo the roof when are we doing the stairs and it's probably about one hundred two hundred twenty thousand dollar project we just don't have enough money and up to this point to sli great project but given our other needs it's got away slate roof repairs we've been putting away money each year we'll have a buffer over fifty thousand dollars this year memorial hall nice to have a roof redone and yes i'm into we got were about one hundred thousand dollars so we're trying to put away twenty five thousand a year that will last another two years beyond this coming year when we get that money in the bank will redo the roof so that's that's kind of how we've approached a lot of the same tree farm improvements over on the west side of town there is a shed over there that was used to start plants that shed has collapsed during the course of the winter it's it's not a historic structure it was part of the story compound so destruction that it wasn't real happy with it that it's basically falling apart but it is and they've agreed that we need to take it down problem is a full of asbestos so what we're doing first is we basically try to support the building so we can get in there within a specialist crew to clean it up because it's a lot cheaper if we can pull off these festus before that a specialist gets mixed with the whole building coming down reconstruction i'm going to go through that later what we're doing for paving the big one is this not shown up here is we've got a fairly significant grant from the state to see it reduce and hill road we're going to come just a little bit shy the intersection because there's a project to put signals or they'll go in the next two years but we're going to rebuild that road with new drainage from there all the way back to founders we were sure how far we're going to be able to go the with the state money hundred sixty six  dollars added to the fight for back to roads later we're putting improvements in the gravel roads we're not paving them but we're improving them and part of that is under the new storm water requirements we have to improve those gravel roads and do a whole bunch of stuff as part of our new storm water permit so we're going to be doing more work on the gravel roads regrading storm water facilities no coverts a whole bunch of stuff and and they've got it designed that wherever you're needed wherever stream crosses that becomes a location that we have to basically deal with in terms of improving and then we're going to work between those been crossed equipment is a whole list of equipment from senior vans again this is it this is these are transfers in the operating account we'll put in a certain amount of money per year for but say for public works vehicles we try to keep debt constant we put that into the capital fund as we need vehicles we buy it out what that does to the tax base is that the tax base going up every time you buy an expensive vehicle and dropping for two years it levels and out so for the the general fund tax we try to keep that level and then take our actual expenditures of some years we'll have a large balance in that account in other years we may go in the hole but we try to make that balance over time so we have a twenty year plan and basically all the departments are now doing that for replacement of equipment india let's see where are we parks pass there's a series of them i'll get to that were were there some of these that are are being done there's nothing being done in this first one is a very short section a missing path from the circle way off ramp to mcdonald's we're going to postpone that for a while there's no real big demand for that because there's no movement on a path to the west at this point time we do have a grant to do towers road from one twenty eight up that street on the right hand side that should go to construction it's in right of way right now plans are done will probably go to construction next summer takes that long to get through so it's not going to cause the town a lot of money to essentially complete that work and there are two studies that are underway both are going to have hearings shortly one is a scoping study that the stricken that the regional planning commission is doing looking at a path from athens drive up here to the circle which is one of the most heavily traveled pedestrian areas and there's nothing there and so we're looking at what would that the state is building from the new ski to susie wilson road a ten foot wide paved path that goes by fanny allen and that side crosses over at the entrance of the national guard and then comes up on the four on the other side going to be a ten foot wide multi use path but the issue is when you get to suzy wilson road how do you get those bikers to the other side and not take them through the suits who was in that intersection and one of the things that you could do is possibly take them out of the for the state of the ford and bring  down to fifteen and then you're on west street heading in if you're on the street heading into the building so all those are all things that are ongoing we've got a ton of stormwater projects and i want to cover those later i'm most there's only a few of those are actually just the better roads grana usually a one year grant to do work improve a back road add gravel add stolen dentures whatever it is but the larger projects are getting the state to cover ninety percent of the cost of those projects which is to track the numbers that's a savings to taxpayers and a lot of people work very hard to get those grants both of those in the town we do some work on  equipment replacement for information management i t and then some also some there's funds down here if we can go up a little bit there's funds that don't come out of the general fund that come out of utility funds and we're looking at up at a waterline there's a couple projects that we are building we have we do have reserve funds in the water sewer fund but the ones that we're actively looking at is it's called sand hill water line increase it actually is not being done that way it's being done a different way and i'll get to that but there's a dull drive water line of the four susan wilson road is fed through some old water lines and fort hundred it's probably got about that much water coming through it and so the decision was made rather than go down and go underneath fifteen go underneath the railroad tracks and make a connection there it's cheaper smarter to go  town that we have money to do we set aside money for that it may not go bidding wise this summer we're almost at the point now where we don't want to put certain projects out to bid if you're going to get that kind of a project out you want to do it in february so you get the best prices so we're probably going to hold out till next year the other one we're looking at and it isn't even on this list yet is we are talking to shop and water district about a potential water line rip group up along with fifteen there's a storage tank up close to athens drive that basically serves a village and down we get our water from down along the river road in a tank and it's pumped through two lines one through the village and one through the time town but if that pump station goes out we're out of luck and so with jericho so if we were a connect the water line up along route fifteen that's a potential way to bring a second feed into the town system and provide some ability to one part of that goes out and also provide higher pressure up in the old stage road to fifteen years so we're looking at that it is even on here but that's under discussion so that's kind of what's going on sometimes or on the list of projects sometimes or projects that are on here you have a couple  drive to the village it's not on the list for a long time there's no immediate need for that it's not being built it's just on us so it's a little confusing because we have projects on the list of building a project office we're working on but the bottom line is the projects in this category are what take up that two cents on the tax base that's quick and dirty any questions from towers are already going with that path it's going from one twenty eight up to clover that's far as it's go that so i'm kind of debating with the next year we do this cost analysis which you have which we do anyway but made to provide a narrative so we give more information and each one of those projects is a fact sheet in the back that really identifies what it is you know a twelve inch water line between point a and point b and estimate what that cost is so we've got that for each one that doesn't show up on the web page this does so you have to you actually have to dig a little for and maybe that's too hard that we need to go to a different system  twelve inch diameter if that's where pipe breaks we're in deep trouble and so they've we asked them to redesign around that they're reluctant to do that until they find out that found out that that was actually i don't think they're trying to go to full bike lanes because there are some places along that road were just very difficult to do i think what they're trying to do is where they can stretch that shoulder and say you can also change your guardrail type and if you change a guardrail type of can pick up maybe another foot so you can stretch some of that to get maybe not a complete fall four foot bike lane but maybe a three and a half foot one and i know that's what they're trying to do so the project has really been delayed because they're dealing with the clover issue once they solve dr greenfield road we're going to do the north wilson road but not the bridge up to the bridge we're going to do towers towers road a portion of towers road that's really just it's a temporary  we put a thin coat on it's in pretty bad shape and we want to put a thin coat on wait for the sidewalk project from next year make sure everything up and then is next year's painting budget put in money to redo the whole room correctly so recrossing and use that as it's a great base for the gravel road it doesn't absorb the moisture and it gives a lot of strength so we do get to have the grant for sand hill road we're going to we've got a lot going to go with a lot farther than we thought we could you've driven on that from about kellogg for the first four or five hundred feet pretty rough we're going to fix that enough just at once or small sections and the same on a porch of a steeple bush then  to project what we've done the last couple years is bitter projects village in town together under one bit and it gives us a better price a lot more quantity one contractor we're dealing with it just it works for both of us so that's that's one of the direct benefits of working together with the village on one project next one comic going to an on time look at these are the major projects doing sydney drive under our existing permit we had to do for four projects we identify we're going to study for projects to meet the requirements to restore them to keep the flow within certain limits in storm water flow or more storage we're also putting treatment on the end of that and we're putting some systems in place where we're going to run whatever comes through that system through a filter we new hampshire is funded if you build a filter with wood chips sidewalk again you can see the cost of what the local shares on those you keep going up towers road sidewalk go through these pretty quick o also put money from the capital fund in the sidewalks in the past we're not doing it right now because we've got enough on our plate and his initial this is the one that the states doing ar notice is about one point five million dollars that's just a path that's not a real that the ten foot one pound they don't come cheap to states or even doing this this is part of what you're seeing appear with all the skills being put in that underway and they're working on a vent for month fifteen center road intersection sharon answer before that's probably two years away it's in the plan final plans are being done they've got to go through right away and then they're going to go back but that's for it to put signals at the intersection and there's there's difficulties and issues we don't have a whole lot of right away and some of the developments that are out there have retaining walls right up to the limit of the right away so you can't and why the road on that side either side you've got power poles so it's going to be very difficult it's going to be expensive in a long project that's probably somewhere between five and seven years  go in the meantime we've got a deal and we have a i won't go into it today because i don't want to there's a project that's coming up on the boards that i think we've got a plan we can work with the developer put some of our in factories in  signal state wasn't sure they'd come back they're not comfortable with the signal that design is going to start again that's probably five to seven years out for a significant intersection this one is it's a traffic jam because you can't go across and then you know their option is to come back into deliverable to richmond we want to catch them ahead of time that's not actively being done but we're working slowly away at that  this is the one we put this one off right now nobody's occupying the property this old stage road fifteen northwest corner off property nothing is happening with that today this sidewalk would go from old stager road down on the north side and connect in the states and they will fund it we've decided to hold off on that until we get more clarity on what's happening up in the town since entering but that is that would be a funded project to take and connect sidewalk signal crossings here from the south side but not the north side right so that would that would a sense of complete that loop are sumption is and sometimes assumptions are bad things to have is that when this gets developed out whoever developed that is going to be required hopefully to as big as this room is a million and a half dollars to replace so none of these projects are cheap ok and is back on just quickly in thirteen the  it would seem that they're going to be doing signaling on yours willis and that would be that would be later axle they would be it would be related i mean it would be related but the the the signal is going to be again five to seven years the paving will be probably year looking at this from on fifteen ellen martin dr scott there was a scoping study that was done that identified some minor improvements we should make the intersection where ellen martin committed a fifteen we're going to put some of those in place the summer summit has a do with improving turning radius striking make it a lot safer intersections so we're going to do that on our own we've been working a lot on here been working with the regional planning commission the village in the town to try to come up with a better identify list of what roads we want to construct we've done it before we both of the both of those in town have a plan for what we're going to do it isn't just guessing which what we're going to do but what we've done is we've now combined we've inspected some of theirs  some of ours we want to program the now looks at what roads in the village need to be done what roads in the town need to be done on a pro tea basis and if you put them together if we were to consolidate what you have to do what's the cost to do that so it's another another tool in our pocket to figure out where we're headed that should be done in a couple months we did we worked on this the sidewalk path impact policies that's come before to see where we're not eighty eight compliant in the town in the village and there's a lot of places that we probably aren't we can't tackle mob we want them to take they're going to priority intersections and look at those and come back with a list of at this intersection we recommend a d c d n a so we then have a game plan to go after start fixing each one of those in order as opposed to piecemeal you know we find a spot or we get a complaint will fix it we're trying to do that a more orderly process so that will available probably this fall they come in check on those type of projects you know generally the only time those will come off is if there's a complaint if somebody has a disability and can't get to a location found the village that's kind of ongoing economic development committee requested a look at one seventeen it didn't make it through the profits on the list but there was enough money and scoping funds for the regional planning commission they didn't push it forward this year and he got a grant for another portion of we did a portion of osgood hill road using our own crew so this isn't really money out of our pocket it's time labor out of our pocket th for three days you know ok we're working on this one l d s church site we hope to have an infiltration system if appraisement going to work so i won't take any water no surprise there so we're portions of the light and rep and some of those other places that drain that way it's going to take some of them as six way it's going to take the church storm or put it all into one system and again treated to a point st stuart treated so we get credit for flow restoration and phosphorous on that one we've got a ton of grants that's that's the cost the project that's the number of grants we've got so instead of the cost in the town that kind of money and odessa donating the site it's two hundred sixty cents or sixty nine thousand dollars and these money has already been collected through or are a fee structure through taxes so these are in the bank it's no in remember which in which all the sex they are i don't forget those color sex or pave edge to edge their huge plans to take out that pavement instead of the drainage hole and this way you can take it this way and in the middle will put a green area in the green area we're going to put a catch basin that's tied into the other stuff in this part of the catch basin system city of dover new hampshire has come up with a pretty neat plan where you add what it looks like a septic tank onto it serious but it's much simpler to bill and then you line it with that filter material so when the storm hits comes across the roadway under the grass some gets absorbed some goes in a catch basin goes in the catch basin goes through the treatment system it's a big storm it bypasse but we want to see if it works and what we want to do is part of this is also do some pre testing and supposed testing to see how much phosphorous does it actually take out and once we get to that point then we'll probably do more of these across town with our own labor that's the yes yeah so the newer nude newer developments are we're picking up and doing that but it's the old ones we have to retrofit and i think we've got something like sixty or seventy of these called the sex that are the old question or just the fact the number seventeen which was the the impact policies that you guys are looking on just like you know if for example property you may have one development that comes in and then the next one isn't for a couple of years and it doesn't really make sense to build that sidewalk but we want to collect the money for it and you guys have a you guys have a good structure in  place where you're you're determining what the requirements going to be for the sidewalk or what they're what the developers grant that so we have like a square foot impact feet you can collectively decide if that planning commission decides what doesn't make sense to build one little section sidewalk and here and there so i just want to you is now part of what number seventeen and that's part of it and i think the better part of it that we wanted to try to do and no reflection on the planning commission like that but in the past none of us have been consistent about how  applied those in factories for passes and we'd like to get some consistency that says ok if you're living out in the boondocks maybe you still contribute to a sidewalk path you may be a lot less than somebody else but there should be sun amount that's contributed towards  that i think the economic development was can push i was concerned that this might drive development away i don't think we're looking at large dollars i think we're looking at some dollars but the biggest thing is to have a policy in place so that if if your development is coming in a place where the sidewalk is absolutely aside or maybe the plan commission decided if you go far enough out you don't contribute everything i don't really care and i just think that we've reached the point we need to be consistent so we're not looking at it and giving you advice project by project but there's a policy that says when this comes up this to get done but get those costs down so development community and only god you know another feat so is it based on on i need do you think or is it based on this sidewalk standard based on location you know and just it's  that like identified some house and when they come in it's like you've got x number of feet it's eight feet wide this is the standard here is how much this how much we're going to climb and part of that i think we can provide you because if we know that there's going to be a ten foot wide pa and a ten foot wide path here then probably that gap going to be filled with a ten watt footprint path but if it sidewalk then we probably need to provide something that in that particular development case the recommendation would be a silent impact fee based upon some standard that you can just say ok just pay that fee and be done with there is there are some tools available to look at the whole town and even portions of the town to say what is the bike demand what's the basically the traffic demand in terms of bikes and pads that can be used as a standard they're actually talk with some of the national planning conference who could bring that to us so we can look into that and i think that the public works will also be part of their project review memo similar to water and sewer you know they'll give us a section of  how they're calculating why this project is being asked for and in the end we have a policy in place that it's pretty easy to say in this case we recommend you go to a policy position to write going to stay where stake in the ground that gives us there gives us a feel and sorry that's what it is but even to the opposite if we if we feel that we need to have a waiver or something along those lines that we have a specific criteria that you know we are not going to grant a waiver because we don't have it it makes it a lot easier to get to put that in place no matter which way we go yet it also eliminates a lot of the question when they when the applicants developers are coming in because they know what they're aiming for and not trying to see what it's not even quite a car manufacturer you're not one for every state now it's not that bad but they've done all along to look at our system our pumps our lines size capacity and growth so when plenty but it looks at our entire system our entire system is pretty robust but we're trying to get to a number for an area to say ok what capacity do we have there or what do we need to get  pump station you criticized the pumps increase the size of the teller's if you have power if it's three phase power whatever you have it's easy you just have to know if you add this much demand when do i have to change that pump and then the other piece of that is that force mean that connects on up if it's a given size is that force mean warred enough to handle the increase fall from the pump or are you trying to put an elephant through a straw and so we've got to study this on the desk air and i have a joint responsibility to review it make any recommendations you changes get it back to them and then our plan is to turn that over so it public information people believed and understand ok so the answer to question the system is robust we have the ability to handle additional fall we are collecting fairly significant impact fees and so we're not looking to have a developer initially committed so you have to replace step up just the fact that we've been collecting in factories we have significant dollars we can put in to replace that car we just need to know when and if you replace that one that one pumps into heritage from station carriage from station pumps all the way around to the one  ultimately both down to two local brooke other brooke is fine for capacity but you have to look at each one of those so if you add that flow you change the pump here you change that when you change the size but we're getting report done it also goes to the select board because in that it should say globally in our system we have x thousand gallons of capacity left and then an applicant like yourself could command say i want to but like to build this and i need twenty five thousand gallons or twenty thousand gallons that's a select court decision to say we'll take out of our reserves and provide got to that site but they need that information before they can make that decision so that's what we're trying to get dennison descents at sometimes when we when we've been talking about applications of it's almost a chicken sort of thing because when if if at all a level of development is going to trigger the pump station upgrades but a lot of times we restricted development or development as is held back because we have the pump stations upgrade so it's kind of like which is go over the edge to drive that you know upgrade i mean where where how does this fit in because it's kind of seems like where i think we can do a lot of that ourselves but it is a computer model just like our water systems computer model through a different company review is that is that a portion of your review that ok this would require us to do x yes if johnny the numbers have been coming in are small enough or we already know based upon the history already because we've been through the start of third time down the study so we know if it's closer know if it's going to get and that's why we want to study up if it's going to get close we're going to go back and say throw that into the model and let us know or we over the capacity at that point in time it may not the real issue isn't does that develop have to put the pump increased size and that's not the issue the issue is is there compasses you there that the select board will release ok so that's up to and then they pay their impact fee and it's up to us to put that in place so that when their first gallon comes down that pump is running the way it should be running so an applicant coming in if their development would be the trigger development they would have to potentially go to the select board to say to approve my my increasing capacity and then that would trigger the anything that's if you've we've got this map that identifies a lot has a thousand gallons per minute somebody want to come in and use three thousand with our limits we can do that with that's not an issue when they go to the slick board to get approval for the three thousand gallons it's done something comes in a thousand i want to put thirty thousand or they want to put in a brewery which maybe only has two thousand gallons worth of flow but organic load off the cliff those are different animals and those we've got to value wait one on one and then provide that information to the planning commission that this is a special case we can and we've got a couple the breweries that want to expand and so we are gays that would be conditional know you're putting in a higher load but when you get above and aaron's work out the numbers with an injury for when it gets a higher level you know you put in pretreatment also pull on that location if we had scheduled and we get a warning five with your  to try to work out the details i will say that i think i'm not going to say lately but i think the the applications that have been coming in the work that public works staff and applicants have been doing ahead of time has been really phenomenal really appreciative but you guys have been doing and definitely dennis what public works has been doing with us thanks to questions that issue is not necessarily the stations and upgrades to the stations which will be covered by the town whenever the capacity it's head it's the overall capacity treatment plan and how that gets allocated the nation for development and who gets what if there's an agreement to issue the two to allocate that capacity then that if the pump station needs to be in his that's all part one hundred times to a suit to two hundred is what twenty thousand gallons a day you don't need any suits for solar panels so that capacity will go back into that overall global number that says we now have additional twenty thousand gallons to allocate to other users that may come in the door so here's a question for you and for staff amine in the past when allocation hasn't been used on a parcel i don't recall that it's been taken happen it's just not officially allocated in that particular development and someone else could come in and want to use or this is a little bit different you know different we're going to be putting in a structure that won't use it is pretty clear in that that we can call it back and we would do that to ensure that that's fair the difficulty with smaller parcels is businesses may come and go which needed today might not be what's needed to manage right so we don't want to play with that but the way we look at it is we have a measured flow going to treatment plant and we measure capacity that difference is what's left and that difference is then allocated and when you allocate everything on the numbers on the map you've got some when you're short of presentations yeah this is my third meeting this it's really good and it helps to know this is stuff is out there when we see stuff coming in so thank you anybody has any questions like i say we're going to we put this one up on the web page the capital plan is on the web page and if anybody has just got a question about this particular project just co him so if you can hear feel free to roll up a little closer we're going to get the screen back there so i don't speak up as well so thank you for the chance to come and give you an update on the draft eight which is the one chapter we hadn't gone over with you guys last time so i want to spend the focus of today's tonight's conversation is a largely around chapter eight and it was a very appropriate that dennis kind of went ahead of us because dennis was to some of the things that chapter eight describes as well just kind of walk around that long but so well talk about some of the key recommendations from the study and also want to talk about how some of the suggestions that we're recommending in terms of how you might put it put together a regulatory framework to take some of the ideas that are embodied in the plan and realize them and then we'll talk a little bit about maybe a schedule of how we might suggest you guys handle that because i know th is where some of the ideas that are expressed in the plan is going to fall on to the planning commission to figure out what to do with it so we have a we have a strategy that we're going to walk throu all right so you know one of the key recommendations was that we suggested was looking at route fifteen as a as a really important asset as as you know within the study area the t c rufin is it it's the it's the most important thing that sort of connects everything together and it was great hearing dennis talk about some of the sidewalk improvements that had been sort of are in the least in the planning phase related to long route fifteen in this is actually kind of consistent with that  recommendation but one of the things we deficit as a possible challenge to the evolution of the a t c is the fact that at present it is a sea highway and the state has some constraints on on doing things with the highway not surprisingly there is a program that the state has really been pushing lately to to help towns migrate the change of status of a road from a state highway to a class one town highway and we will go into all the details the report actually covers a lot of the ground but basically a shift some of the responsibilities of maintenance from the road from the state to the town in in  exchange for that change and responsibility you do get some greater control now we don't know today exactly whether or not some of the improvements along route fifteen might be ok to  happen within the current relationship between the town in the state and that's it it's entirely possible that some of those things could happen but there are certainly some suggestions in the e t c plan things like a planted median for example that i point by for suspicion is that the state would probably have a hard time taking over maintenance of that so we went through this process in the in the study about looking at what would it be and what would be the consequence of taking some control over over portions of fifteen and luckily for everybody some sort of benefit here is you know some of the flexibilities that you get are on design flexibility so things like traffic calming measures and way finding and media in and act you know addressing crosswalks for example you have much greater flexibility so for example you want to do bold outs across walks on a class one town highway that's that's going to be much more per probable state highway it's uncertain maintenance obviously one of the things i know dennis would probably be able to talk to us and great length but the fact is your plows are probably already driving by fifteen quite a bit to service all the local roads anyway so one of the things that the state has found is that because of that it is efficiency for winter plowing for example can be a lot better depending on the roads that are taken over that's just a little more efficient traffic management we talked about that one of the things that i think is really important for the a t c master plan is this idea of access management starting limiting access to route fifteen and obviously the way it works now because it's a state highway it's the state's purview to whether or not to grant access to the highway if you guys control the right of way then it's your purview and as as they think as we look at the long term evolution of the e t c trying to consolidate access points and curb cuts and limiting some of that cross for you know flow across the traffic across with him if he would be a good thing and obviously this would put the town in the driver's seat on that discussion and there may be some benefits relative to u tility infrastructure although a lot of that seems like it's already in place so that's not as important so we looked at the analysis of of this taking over about a one point four mile stretch basically from here to one twenty eight as it's way to one twenty eight and the state has this really handy but alice's tool that makes a lot of very generalized assumptions and it suggests that to do that that the net cost of talent be about eleven thousand five hundred per year to do that not inconsequential money for sure but not you know an ordinance amount of money there is you know a lot of you see some questions that  what would it really do but the i think the basic underlying premise behind that is that you know and it's not necessarily needed today but in the in due course is to look at this and say ok is there is there benefits associated with taking this over so that we can realize some better cross walk points we can actually maybe do some of the median improvements we're talking about can we control the speed limit slightly the state's going to have interests in that conversation on making sure that the flow of traffic through here is really good and that's obviously going to be a conversation that needs to happen but i think the general the general impression that we got from looking at this was that it's certainly worth as a recommendation for the town to to do a little more work on this point and it sounds like dennis has been thinking about that a little bit so that's really good and i think it's a really worthwhile thing to pursue just wonder mark just for looking at this it's missing a traffic light is that intentional or is that it is your right that it's a graphic  proposition they don't they don't actually dictate how much road you take over now this is a good recommendation because one of the things that's that is recently been percolating on this is whether or not the town should go ahead and pursue it a designation of the essex town center as a grow center and if you did that it would probably make a lot of sense to align that with the the class one town highway area just for purposes of keeping everything kind of this in in the same framework but you know you it could be decided that the the segment a road that needs to be taken over is is here where there's a lot more development potential and there's a lot more interest in it crossings and such so just something to be thinking about i'm sorry yes you're right it's billy butler yeah yeah sorry i have a question so i haven't really you know i've been involved in much of the d c plan or whatnot but i'm just wondering how we came about identifying the problems that we're trying to solve like managing traffic speed and i just know as someone let's look at that six long time going up and down that corridor i'm lucky if i can go the speed limit most of the time so i don't know is that really an issue or are we trying to solve a problem that doesn't exist that's one of the thing that's one of the that's one of the factors is that the program allows for flexibility around whether or not the town needs to take advantage of that that's completely in that we haven't analyzed that and you're not going to texas that section of road we putting millions in as well because if that's if it has the effect that it's saving and a t c plan of slowing things down i'd hate her to get even worse and already is so worse is let's not get too deep into that that the weeds just yet because worse could be could be assisted by a book by being able to pull the traffic differently change the traffic flow which makes could make it more consistent and not just just a solid i mean weekends and days or and week days are completely different and the wait times and so forth are severely impacted so all these are traffic control measures that if they're within the town's purview this is what i'm for a while i may not you're right ari you have the facts you gain that you gain the ability to look at that i think the other thing i would suggest is to think about is is that you know what you said the speed so it's a median was what you know median was something that was that has been discussed a long time ago the original e t c plan and has something that came out of the public process is something that may be desirable for several reasons one is it does help to limit curb cuts on to fifteen which for me from of circulation perspective of sort of a place making perspective of maybe an advantage of low but it also could make sure that those like those cross walk points actually have much more function at that point because the meetings will actually make those you know that would be a that would be a byproduct that if there's a median and there's a really good cross walk that's where people in bikes are going to actually use it so so it may actually be in some ways you could actually change keep the speed limit higher because you're going to have better more functional crossing points that are signalize have bull bouts have all of the things that make people realize that these are the crossing points and help create that environment for to move across fifty and that really is the john that's the really the big thing that the planning process sort of kind of came to is is that as this whole thing builds out and say we get lots more residential on this side of fifteen and there's some in  over here on fifteen you know or or up here even you know the ability for people to go across fifteen pedestrians and bicycles to go across fifteen becomes elevated importance and that's really the primary one of the reasons that we think looking at taking some more control over this and having some more flexibility of what you can do put the town in a better position to address some of those changes and another factor that goes into this but isn't necessarily within the scope of this project is looking at alternative routes around this area for now we want to look at this in more of a yeah i think it just be you know just to be clear i think the report does a good job of talking about this it's like you know nothing that's been recommended thus far i think materially changes the importance of fifteen as a as a conduit for traffic i think that was a kind of going in data point that every realizes that this is really important for people to be able to go through if it was this part of town efficiently when a car think the i think the primary objective in the plan was to sort of it we actually i mean going back twenty years now almost twenty years you know question about putting a cross walk in it wasn't something you can't go to the town we couldn't i couldn't go to the towns i want to cross walk here town it's not towns perviously then you go to the state and the state has criteria that doesn't necessarily coincide with what you want in a community to make it walkable so now you have to to you know it just it's a it's a flexibility control as i'm reading it yeah look at rue fifteen in  that's a lot there's no car there's no there's sidewalks obviously there's streetlights those are great but there's no holdouts cross fifteen there and that would be a great place for some hope to cross fifteen there and and this is  again i think this is kind of the the same scenario is that it gives you some flexibility to look at that and say i think the flexibility is great i was just questioning the specific project that's talking about yes you know the flexibility totally makes sense you know we want to do project and i think it's really important to towns and i know dennis will be open to this and be thinking about this is is now they have a have of maybe a better sense of the mid to long term trajectory in terms of residential development and growth within c you got to go back and look at a traffic study that factors that because right now a lot most the traffic studies have been done of have functioned as a t c as a conduit for traffic from elsewhere and now listen you're going to have locally derived traffic conditions yes the question really is is that ok say we had we had six or seven hundred nine hundred new residential units here over time what does that do all of this should be prefaced though and i think this is a really important is the world of transportation is changing and you know a lot of the assumptions that people in the planning world in the transportation plan will have made for the last twenty twenty five years may not apply as they do today in ten to twenty years and t build out for the e t c is going to be a longer range build out so it's really important i think that's another reason for flexibility to give the town some chances to sort of adapt to all of us some we're not seeing cars as much i mean people maybe people that are moving here only have one car  two that's those are the trends that you're actually are seeing out there so it's really it's really kind of a of a of a it puts you guys in the driver's seat have you had a chance to be able to adapt to some of those things that are going on  review is important and i think that's something that you guys could probably do on your own as a as a committee of the resources and also work with they said work with the m p o work with other regional partners to do a traffic study that factors in and the valving e t c that actually  has residences and ones that mean transit will also be a should be a part of that too in terms of ok what happens as transit becomes more proliferate in the sort of the you know the outside ring of chit and county that will be something i know i know the  working on that right now that is an ongoing discussion but the importance of transit in ten or fifteen years could be increased that the other sort of items for public investment that we looked at are related to things like parking and i know that he talks a little bit about this idea of shared parking as a really important element within the e t c you know right now it's kind of at the point of being it's something you guys have the purview to look at and require a consideration sure parking the question that sort of out there is whether or not you should be thinking about it as a as a mandate within the within least some portions of the t c maybe not everywhere but there's certainly some benefit potentially for in the mixed use area saying ok when you come in part of a provider plan for your parking we want you to make sure you're providing shared parking so that the neighbors next to you can you know it's more fluid in that regards and i think that's something that's a relatively low hanging fruit piece but would be a really good thing to be thinking about because it gives it gives the it sets the tone for future development that it's not every lot comes in by themselves that does their own parking and completely ignores everything that's going on around them and a recommendation is to actually treat parking as i of goes is one of the things that look at the future development plans and i towards municipal parking again you may want to work with developers as they come in and start to identify if there's land that they're under utilizing or not doesn't make sense for them but they have access to there may be of value for the town to actually start to gain some control over that land to provide parking in the future and it gives you again a position of controlling some of that  in certain types of road segments but it's to truly work to clarify those and actually be very clear about that so instead of instead of having the developer come in and say here's what we want to do you actually have a tautology that you give them and say this is what we're expecting you to do and that we see the first fees that come along with that but also you can also if there is deviations you're starting from a position of actually having communicated some of the important things you're trying to do so there will always be occasions where somebody comes and goes i would love to be able to do type a pedestrian improvements but i don't have access to the right of way or there's a covert or a drainage ditch or whatever it is can't sort of you can't dissipate every potential outcome but at least if you've actually been very clear with your type of types you can say these are the kinds of things we're looking for how are you trying to achieve those things and that's a really good that's a really good strategy again whether that this could apply not necessarily just to the t c for that matter it's something that the town could be thinking about to apply you know globally are in th is lose a little bit of this value water pressure agrees within the t c and in terms of what technical improvements as you may recall that was one of the big things that both the study committee steering committee and the public a lot of the public talked about was the fact that water pressure is one of the big problems you know there's not a technical solution that we're aware of at this point that actually is is in place and is ready to go it sounds like the public works is actually thinking about it and working on some strategies towards that but that is going to be one of those things that is is important to consider because within the t c because it actually puts again puts the town's emphasis on growth within the a t c at you know elevates that discussion if you fix some of the pressure issues within the e t c that can allow for the densities to be realized if you don't get those dent those pressures of there then it puts a lot of onus on the developer to actually have to pay for those improvements to allow them to have the pressure they need to service there's buildings so it's kind of a proactive thing that the town might do but it's really worth exploring to see what the consequences are obviously the studies are going to cover the engineering consequences of that is something that the town needs to pursue but it's  a certainly objective that has come out of it similarly that sort of a kind of a net fire flow rates for the private developers a lot of this is prefaced by the fact that the idea that one of the ideas that sort of embodied in this plan is that is that recognizing that the e t c is a really important growth area within the community and whether the age aside to make it a growth center or not does a gross it or not it's an important growth area within the community instead of making it about the developers trying to solve the problems that exist as you try to proactively enable some of the growth to happen in a way and then obviously the the the quid pro quo is build in the way we want it to look right so you're sort of changing the dynamic a little bit and i heard earlier about the you know the sewer allocation will get at that limit to the idea that well i have a thousand i need thirty thousand but i don't know if it's available from the select board and i have to kind of go to the select board and ask for it the flipside of that is to say the priority will be to apply allocation in the e t c because we have identified that as an area with gross within the community we want to encourage the development tool out to be there so instead of it instead of it kind of it right now the way it works is requests for capacity are equalize across the entirety of sound somebody goes to select word and they make their pitch and they they are given the allocation or not given allocation  the flipside of that is to say can we prioritize and allocated resources towards development e t c does or makes sense to do that that's a big that's a sea change kind of thing but it's definitely something that you sort of see in terms of terms of the policy tools you guys have at your disposal that's probably the sewer one is probably the best one to encourage people development to actually happen in the t c at densities that are supportive of some of the vision and say that's ours now and we'll reallocate somebody else or if there's a what the process is related to that but i would suspect and actually paul was very good in our steering committee about sort of saying you know he knows already but he hasn't had a laundry list of resources that exist for sewer that's great to know the next question that really should be asked is ok what's of what's been allocated what can be reapportioned in a way that actually maybe if you just suspect and nothing's happened so both of those things probably should happen so that the town has a real full measure of what the what the opportunity is pursuing because the sewer is far and away the most limiting element allocation pursuers the most limiting element terms of achieving the any of any significant level of density within the d c that was the case in the original i see master plan and it continues to be and hopefully the needle can move on good obviously this is the sidewalk from fifteen that's not been not been moving forward yet but it is in the in the works is also on there so i think that's the really important thing of this plan is as the town moves forward that is to look through some of the recommendations and start to look at that capital improvement planning process and say how many of these can get on the books how many can be become part of the the cia work and can see it's consistent with that it was great to hear denis talking about this is obviously you have open space and recreation resources available to the town and i think one of the things that we would recommend is you look at the area of the sea and say ok where would open space be really important for the community to have access to those are some land in there that we could really sort of say you know be even now before development starts happening sort of put on a map and say this is really important for us to to to you know have a conversation with developer in the future also looking at the parks and recreation needs and you know again if you think about the e t c over the next twenty years developing to have thousand more you know residential units or whatever the number number ends up being the recreational needs within the t c are going to become bigger and that's you know that's a really important consideration so it now is a time to be proactive with that start to control some land rights to allow you have the flexibility when you need a park to be able to do it is a is the time to be thinking about that you public space utilized in other than an open field there are some bright red and i think the plan the study talks a lot about about the spectrum of open spaces and all of that but there may be some again this is the parks and recreation center one of the things they can put on their list of  plant long range planning things to do but there's there probably will be a need at some point for just straight up park or recreation field and you know if you have access to some of that land and you can start to look at some of that land as in that function that would be great to to start thinking about now so that when it comes time to have you know when there's enough pressure for that to be realized you're not sort of scrambling though so it's a danger if you do it if you do it piecemeal then you get a little plot here and a little plot there a little plot there who knows if you talk about it from the start you can start putting the pieces together into a functional space yeah and not just a good example that i think within the t c would be if you sort of look at the area on the sort of the eastern side of the mixed use district where the new shoes district was that has the long range views of camel's hump and mount mansfield you know finding some way to get some access to some open space down there would be a really good thing to do because that the community was very clear about the fact that those years are really important and so that would then almost inforce that any development that happened around it would have to keep that view in mind so it's a good it's a good way to sort of help to control some of that should you want to walk through this sure as part of the project we were asked to consider design forming some of the newer versions of models for regulatory options to promote development in the center so basically took a look at three things the current regulations we did a review of those and like most from our regs those are pretty conventional zoning and subdivision regulation you have a pretty strong design review district to that overlays that then a lot of that dates back from the the former master plan for the town center so there is some correlation between your current zoning in the previous master plan for the district and it's also again you're pretty familiar with how your current regulations are applied and forced them the second version we looked at for base code they know something you were at least a little bit familiar with that it's a much all well if it's looked at as a much different approach to zoning as a player i would say or maybe not so much it's been rebranded you know honestly but it is a different it does put a lot more emphasis on design and form and much less emphasis on use and things like density so under the current regulations things are distributed by his own in districts in year look at setbacks and things like that under foreign based code you look more at the form are just in terminology if for instance you might have a bill to line in a foreign based code you might have a maximum step back distance under more conventional code so that's part of the difference but one of the biggest differences is how they're intended to be applied to foreign based code it's very prescriptive a lot of the proposed standards in the the plan would be outlined in much more detail in terms of building heights design and that sort of thing and then it's basically stamped as a crew to fit meets the dimensions we're finding and working with some other community is that in one sense you know developers really like that process because it's very straightforward in streamline the other hand it allows very little flexibility so in communities that have adopted form base code they're going back to how do we go back to some of the flexibility we had under our for code so the third actually looked at and to be honest with you this is the most common is a hybrid come to take some elements of the form based code and the team has outlined that in the different chapters for each of those neighborhoods are recommendations considerations but it does elevate form to a higher standard than what you have and we are current design review district and to make sure that there's a walkable connected built environment  hard time with the former is good because the developers have a hard time with it because it's got a certitude on one form but not a lot of flexibility similarly communities have a hard time with it because it doesn't provide enough flexibility or leeway for other considerations and it also doesn't allow for much community and put it right if you have a big development project you know a big developing project have an administrative leave reviewed form based code and it conforms to it the  public at large is oftentimes left wondering how did that get approved and it's oh so that is exactly why a lot of committees have been using a hybrid model because that is sort of finds a balance point between giving direction on what the outcome should be but also on some community input so there's some variety that may be necessary or some variations to things that were anticipated and that's kind of what we're recommending in the report but it's still an open looking at the districts and what were described as neighborhoods in the study in the plan and look at those boundaries and rectify them look the against the zoning boundaries and there is a correlation that was that was done as part of the process that we came to but it's really important that the planning commission have a good thoughtful discussion around that and define you know again define whether or not all these all these boundaries actually make sense some some parts of the e t c may not need to may need to be more merged more shit together so that the the diagram we've got here that has been recommended may not necessarily be the final one there may be some there may be no need for example to have two different mixed use districts or maybe bill consolidate  there's there's a reasons that they're recommended like this but i think it's the planning commission should be looking at that asking ok is that right at the boundaries right do they need to adjust those sorts of things and then in the in the document there's a sort of a description of each neighborhood but what needs to come out of that is really a kind of purpose statement much like in a zoning district a purpose statement for each of the neighborhoods and really trying to clearly define the purpose of each district so that you have right one stat review process is done the next review process that the planning commission might want to consider is doing a kind of a go through all of the current syria that are established within the document code structure and ask yourselves what do you want to regulate and that's one of the nice things about a hybrid code is you can decide right now we've provided a lot of information about the kinds of things within the form you might read regularly you can regulate color if you want to not suggesting you do but you could but you need to go through to sort of say ok what we want to regulate use uses what does that look like you want to regulate density within the each of these districts what does that look like they want to regulate the form what does that look like are there are there parts of form a really comfortable regulating like building heights arguably that's a good example because in the form base code heights are usually measured as building heights or stories under rates traditional knowing height is the senate district type them and like you have and your current regulations what we're suggesting is you do a combination of both that you set defined building heights there acceptable to the community i know there's been some discussion over mash those two together and that's and this is the this is going this is quite a process i mean you know again we have kind of put out a lot a laundry list of things you might regulate and some of them really probably some of them are foundational to actually doing any kind of form based code but there are some things that are discretionary you can decide not to regulate them some communities don't regulate for example open space types they don't give a lot of food most but yet that's kind vermont that's kind of a new as you go through this process of looking at this you might pick up and some i have not not make sense though what you really want to try to do is get to a set of design and set of preterit you guys are really comfortable helps achieve the vision that the done that kind of at the at the overall level not necessarily trying to trying to trying to deal with it for every single district at the at the beginning but just in general terms one of the things you're trying to regulate the big picture right then you go into each district and you actually started take out take those criteria that you think are most important and all of that consideration about the purpose of the vision and you apply it to each district and get each district could be different there could be some slight variations depending on the objectives you're trying to achieve this is really kind of a this is going to probably be the lion's share of the effort for you would be to look at each district again depending on me and doing and asking yourself ok how do we take in how do we apply height to this district how do we apply the different forms that might be appropriate to this district what's what's the point and things we need to consider and then the last thing which is that is really important is is the house keeping this the code itself or developing the code but also the housekeeping along with it so you guys have a limited developer you have his own thing right now so what you want to be careful about is if you make changes relative to the e t c that you don't have unintended consequences elsewhere in town that's one that's one thing that we've spent quite a bit of time  working on projects with that well that's been the case is also we did take some time to staff and it's in the report to develop but just an example used table right now what could be included in doing that you realize that you know if you are really focusing on  somewhere else it's a little bit of ok what happens here if x other things so you have to kind of go through that process that's the this is kind of the nuts and bolts part of the but it's really important i think knowing that this is going to be the case as you begin a process like this is really important so we're suggesting kind of a process with you guys of three steps and the first step would be over the course and we haven't sort of world work with staff obviously to finalize this but spend a meeting in july and august to review the districts and you know talk about the boundaries why why were they created what's the what's the rationale behind it do they make sense one of the things that need to be adjusted are there other are the this is the description for each and each district of appropriate and really sort of vet that out with you guys in some detail see actually have that i know there pov be some community input on those things and that's really this is a great time to have that if we don't know today if if all of the districts are recommending should be should be carried forward into the code process or not and that's entirely up to the planking michelle tamale but it's really hard to have that process described and i think it'll take a couple couple meetings to do that then ok here's what we're talking about with building types here's we're talking about with forms here's we're talking about with open space type street types the whole nine yards so you guys have a really good discussion about this density let's look at the density recommendations and ask if that was an up they need to go down as handling oh i should preface this whole thing sorry one of the things that we talk with staff about doing and i think it's a really good idea for this particular project is we're going to keep this current document draft until you've gone through this process so that at the end of it if you decided ok work we're comfortable the district boundaries everything's great that of the then we'll make the changes to the draft and have it match up what we wanted to avoid was the situation where you get to it sort of this gets kind of can you know complete and then you go through this coding process and then to revisit some things and it gets inconsistent so the idea behind this would be that will keep it in draft day it's informing your conversations around this conversation resulting and then when when you when and when you finish that process will come back make the changes that are necessary for the support of master plan and everything will lie right up and that gives you a guy that has a town a much better platform to make sure that it's solid across it particularly because this plan at that point would be included by reference in the town plan so then you'd have alignment between the town plan this plan and then your zoning and for us plan or types that's like the holy trinity that you get that was that i think is a good recommendation it certainly makes sense and it  doesn't change the fact you have a resource to work from so great so that again that that's probably going to take you know you know three or four months probably of meetings one one meeting a month i think that's what staff has been taken by one meeting a month or fine said we're still available as a resource either to the staff or the place yes either way and then and then obviously but at that point i think what we're suggesting there's a big decision point that comes up after you get through these two things and and  really can't tell you at this point where are you going to go but into the you know it is at the end of these two processes there's really a big discussion about are you ready for hybrid code or not and if you're not then what else can you do and as de as sharon mentioned you know we have design standards so it's really pos one of the possible solutions which are opportunities or should say that you could take is let's go through this process look at the boundaries make sure we've got those lined up you know with the purposes lined up let's look take a look at the criteria and understand those more deeply then maybe we can make changes maybe make changes to the current design standards to reflect some of the principles of these of the critter there looked at as instead of adopting a form based code that's a completely plausible outcome here or as an interim step absolutely the other thing that that's possible is when once you have this conversation about the districts and the criteria is you may decide that the only place you want to apply for a base code is in the mixed use district for example and there's some rationale behind that because that's the area of the e t c that's going to probably be the most at some point would have the most intensive development for infill and a lot of smaller development areas so some of the values of form base code are probably going to be less realize they're just in general terms so there's a big decision point and i think that's a really critical one for the for the community to have so many communities do apply for me is code for hybrid code only to a very small subset celebrant and it's city center is the the limits of their former scope and that i can see that as an outcome here i think it's wrong for you guys to get to that point on your own so you can decide as a group that that's the right thing to do but i think that's why we sort of have this this process and then once that decision is made the idea would be that in two thousand one thousand that would be the process of actually whatever the outcome is it be let's work on getting the code just once made so if it's form based code or if it's changing the design standards or doing all that you housekeeping under your current elations that's what would happen and i think that's the last line so this is good timing because i want to sort of go back a little bit and just see if there's questions from from commissioners for you or from folks in the audience we get to a certain point with this and it becomes you know you start to lose focus so i don't want to draw the stop for a little bit and oh yes i did before it before we go there just one i didn't wasn't able to get printed today but i will send through share and i have  we need something that's easy to read a picture soon i actually did i didn't want to propose a fixed schedule for all that stuff thirteenth of may we need to have that you know we also anticipate that the build out is you know this mark is said to build out of this area is going to take twenty or more years  know it's going to happen incrementally so i don't know that there's a major rush to get any one thing in place sooner than later but you know it's in the give you some breathing room to figure out what your priorities are in terms of working on the master plan as we've seen from the last one it's going to be in place for a long time so it needs not worth the effort or give and yes questions commissioners john you've got to have some you've been already asked my questions i have a comment and sort of an a follow up question i really like the reclassification concept a lot and maybe this is going in the weeds and maybe more proper for july august but if there's a light coming in that fifteen sand hill i would kind of like to see maybe the creek classification extend to the point as almost like an entry point to the district and allow us more flexibility things i think you know obviously the process to get to where we have has had some inputs of us and i know part of that great but i think that's another reason why as it goes into the planning commission and creating a structure around having these conversations the way the way we're suggesting it is there would be some some meetings you'd have an action to be warned and noticed and and let people know what the plan is and i think it's a great opportunity have a more constructive conversation about things and the people sort of go ok here's what we've got until and this is the doesn't seem to be made to sort of address some of the local concerns so i think this is why worst were suggesting a kind of continuing this process a little bit longer to to let that conversation come back and then go back and change the plan to sort of reflect what that and the end of that year take to get kind out of committee and into a hearing process sort of thing it seems like you know eventually it's going to get the playing initially when it really does i mean this is this that's what these things do they have to get to the planning commission to because you're the harvey you know you're the folks that are going to be selling to steer this through to the regulatory structure so i think it's really appropriate that the planning commission be you know have these meetings and get public comment about about this that boundary right or not is the purpose state existing design overlay district and one of the major frustrations with that is and exists now is that it has no teeth so coming up with something that is provides clarity to people center to include that common area because that's one of the things i think we've done apart from we've gone through questionnaires was we want green space people in common space where community things can happen like they are there i know they have the christmas tree lighting that it's like make sure that that's the boundary for the e t c that's the boundary for the sewer korea potentially that's the boundary for you know the equator reclassification fifteen that's that's that's where you start getting some good some including town center does the new town center which could apply and also the village store district and we talked about that in terms of the village designation just to give the property owners in the village and way you know that we want to make that the whole point of the conversation because you can get lost in the complexities of that but i think we did hear a lot from the book the community afghanistan committee about the fact that they wanted the e t c to be complimentary to the rest of essex the rest of the bell in essex and i think that that kind of comes out i think a lot and in both in the forms that might actually be able you know allowed and also not used table that sharon was talking about as you look at that those uses it's that's a great point of of that'll be a great title look at those and say ok yeah these are these are uses that that the village can't really do but really have some appeal to the community and really be a great great resource and so it becomes a complimentary discussion as opposed to a conversation or adversarial all right so this is been good we've got some marching orders were really good at that so i'd like to say thank you and listen but has any additional questions at this last minute anybody else final questions will move forward thank you both very much for here we have just a little bit more business to do so we have to go to the minutes  april twenty six buy shoe seconded by tom thank you knight does anyone have other than the grammatical corrections that sharon shared with us as anyone have other corrections they want to introduce into the into the document hearing none of those in favor of the minutes as presented i posed minutes pass other business hang on a second i am going to road each d c i carved out a lot in the state of vermont carved out a lot they're looking to move they're working with the e c i to use that as a temporary pad to either equipment and materials while they pave one river road to richmond i think so i'm the state or the staging area they'll bring in they'll bring in materials kind of like a mini current contractors yes or what they decide to go forward there or not but just bringing it to your attention it with it will keep a lot of truck traffic off the five corners and on the road so that's that's kind of a plus another one we got that rental two to four colchester road has has spoke to his neighbor ray's motor sales they get lot nine basically a thirty three lot too to see if he could use least one hundred fifty feet by a hundred fifty feet to put more of his equipment so he would bust out the fence and use that paddy area i feel like it's a de minimus request it's there not change it's not a boundary adjustment it's going to be an agreement between them both it's technically expanding the last one eighty three center road you guys approved that would be mighty true where the building across from the essex discount beverage tore down you gave them a duplex a house and a garage they at the time of approval it was granted for rentals they now want to condo eyes the duplex that requires a myler to be recorded in requires by law a legal document which gets reviewed by the town attorney don't know how you guys feel about doing again it's de minimus to me but i can't require them to file a mylar in pay to have the attorneys review didn't know if you guys were open to just doing a a motion tonight to to amend or allow administer the demon miss change to the may eleventh seventeenth approval which allows them to have the chair sign a mylar and