or greatly appreciate your work thank you very much thank you and so with that any questions or comments from the public in regards to the selection process for boards and commissions for the city ok so seeing and hearing and so we receive the event application for each three day arts and music festival that has been held for the last seven years and when you ski and draws thousands of visitors to downtown business faneuil's the event will take place in a lot of the downtown businesses as well as the outdoor stages on miscue falls way and really hard the event sponsored quest the closure of when you ski falls wait for friday through sunday may fourth six use of rotary park use of city property along when you ski falls away the use of the terrace park in front of the sac a possible closure of the first block of west canal street and potential use of landry park at the skate park staff has met with the event sponsors and discuss requirements and event needs with the transponders at our monthly if ever do you meeting a member fifteen i said here that a list of conditions and requirements is included in the event application i did not include it for you but i do have a list of those very similar to what we saw last year so my apologies for that pretty much the same footprint as last year besides the potential addition of the skate park for outside stuff and then obviously there's a bunch of new businesses that will probably be involved as well right but the footprints going to say about the same are communities who work a really really really really long time invest a lot of money and it's been over backwards to try to get something like this into their community and town and the fact that it's been fostered here is a real testament to  the professionalism ingenuity of you guys on your side and of city staff to them and the fact that you guys together have worked in a way that's allowed this to grow in a way that sustainable and manageable is really really impressive and i think is one of the great feats that actually happens across the state not just from our little community perspective in the fact that we really allow and manage an entire town turned into what it is a beautiful s e for a couple days is is really takes a lot of coronation work and do it professionally and well and it's really something i'll say last year i had i had one negative exchange and it was not reasonable to be really blunt it wasn't a person who's being reasonable and i'm sure that that there are a few of those folks out there who are going to find a reason but we do ask folks in this city to understand that part of being in this community means it's also going to be a community that supports vibrancy and supports things that are going to support the businesses that are here and make it an exciting place to live so we do appreciate the residents who do have some level water work as part of the main street project so as the mayor alluded earlier we had a great meeting on main street with the public a couple of last week and one of the things they came up is that this will be a very expensive project and one of the only ways it will work is if we really knock some minds other funding sources into the projects so we are not relying solely on property tax payers to fund it so in the interest of that we are working really aggressively to go after every funding source we can that could be applied to this project and transportation alternatives grant certainly one of those this is an application for three hundred thousand dollars pacifically request stormwater work associated with the project the other funders we have currently interested in are specifically water and waste water and streetscape focused so this isn't and that need at this point there will be a seventy five thousand dollars grant match that if awarded we can use under project funds to map so right at this point we're not asking for any new dollars to match this we also as you may remember got awarded one of these grants two years here year and a half ago for pedestrian  we've also received permission from the state to prioritize towards main street as well three of those intersections around mean streets so again this is kind of attempt to piece together multiple funding sources to make significant infrastructure local or other state dollars and i'm going to ask that you call for discussion about the fishing federal funds to get the whole thing this one so the planning commission has been hard at work doing the initial work towards the development of an updated municipal master plan for the city you've talk about that before the commission is at that point of being ready to ask other commissions to start working on master plan sections and so as you will start hearing about this to your commission work and just because we haven't updated you in a fair amount of time we want to give you an update of where we were remind every miner from public again what a master plan is and why we go in this direction from the time line and additionally your package you see the chapter outline the planning commission has developed that that chapter outline is aligned to the council strategic vision areas so if you could give a quick overview of kind of where we are and sure so the planning commission has been engaged in what i called sort of expansive visioning which was sort of collecting as much information as they could from within their ranks and is loose the format is is not i think that they've sort of settled on not being a thick book that is something that sits on the shelf that is mostly looked at and where we are now is about to start you see on the schedule scheduling pretty intensively cycles through the commissions and the partner organizations or partner groups so that will start to see the commission's meeting with the planning commission on a almost four week basis so one week will do two one or two next week to do the next and cycle through them so that we can at first see what they offer and assign assigned tasks and then have regular updates and and visit with them to kind of see what kind of a measure where they are  the plan is to finish by january two thousand and eighteen and i think we're in good shape to do that i think we've been collecting photographs collecting images collecting input and we will be doing some public outreach as in the past through the form a scope project through their transportation master plan the energy plan the economic development plan so plan so i think we've done a ton of work as a said in this project in the in the main street project dates sort of swimming in my head about when things are happening and and so yeah i just reflecting on having heard the planning commission go through this in the idea is that what they taxed paul with is really coming up with more of a useful narrative that's accessible to the public too in terms of a document and something that that really conveys conveys a vision and does it effectively inaccessible way and you know i think this is a really valuable way of looking at it in a really interesting way and i think too that it's a process of a play on the have an opportunity to kind of see how it wants to gather around and that's that's exciting to the other thing that i want to acknowledge is that the the idea of this too is it's in the text here is it allows us to use those other planes that we've created like the transportation plan and you know in the resilience plans economic development plans and use those as reference starting points that can be updated independently as the city goes on so that we're in a constant state of updating things versus being in the situation we are where we are in an office where the whole thing is outdated and way behind and i think referencing those documents research trying to rewrite all that in the plan is a really smart way of going about it because it takes pressure off that plan of having the stand the test of time and uses those those items that are frankly much easier to update into reassess on a piecemeal basis you know sunday can see the city getting the point where it's you know has a rotating roster of it's time for us to really invest some time in updating this area in this area so that it's not this kind of all inclusive process that we're having to undergo now that it's really challenging but you've done a very good job of framing it up and putting together a concrete timeline and path i'm very appreciative of that so i think i'm not to speak for michael bryant or the planning commission  so i think the in general there's always you can always do more public outreach is something that we can always do more of it and we do have some well first of all we're going to stream or have the all the meetings filmed call it's going to be a public outreach meeting where we get all the commissions and we do expect to a cafe style seating where people from the public and a revolver rotate through the various little meetings that are happening happening and then we'll have a report out at the end so that we can hear any other concerns that we're not addressing and i think that as far as this list goes or any of these things that we think of it as a very much an evolving document so we will always be looking for partners and i'm sure that this list this included here is not comprehensive but i think the goal would be the with the commission members and you know just doing the regular bass of the ambassador work reaching out to their the people that they communicate with and then also through public outreach meetings at least two how we engage young people in this process as well as was the target with the school board in our joint meeting this fall thinking about you know young people are really the ones who are going to most own and benefit from this plan so how do we involve their you i think it's hard for people to commit especially with young families you know to commit to a three hour and a week and a meeting but if they're you know a way to connect where they already are in a have verbal commitment from them that they'll help with sort of the i mean they have a huge reach and they love projects like this and you know so they will they  poor has committed to help with their their their machine basically for lack of a better word to help reach the creative members that may or may not have access to these kinds of and you know i think from the messenger same place in the we've brought up a number of times here it's it's about starting to i'll say a frustration of mine through the years is we have been building up to this and we have been taking steps towards this in creating the vision and in cleaning that from the public right through a number of different processes one place where i do think we've failed is making sure it's clearly community all those things are being tied together in a cohesive way so that when they're answering surveys when they're attending meetings they know that's all feeding this plane process we verbalize it a great deal but it's something that you know this is a this is this predates everybody sitting at the table over there in frankly a lot of us but i think that's that's that thread that we as counselors to need to really be proactive about talking about in the community is that we have done a lot of that legwork how a lot of input a lot of opportunity for people to participate and they're still the more all that has kind of funneled into this and that's that's exciting because it reminds folks that consistency of the message that these chapters actually reflect a very consistent message from that process to transportation master plan process to the economic develop strategic development so i  feel quite confident that we're we're kind of hitting the notes and every time i we do some reach out reach where we open it up so that it's an open discussion we end up back sort of with this similar list so i think we're we're we're going we're hitting the notes at this point and not say that these are all them but i think we will cast a broad enough net that we're going to capture a great deal of the sentiment of the city and it's pretty amazing to be honest with you from coming in from the outside how all how consistent how the message is really clear and it's seems like a lot of things are moving in the right direction in the same direction and it's being reflected in this kind of process questions or comments from the public coming in here i have to say i'm a pretty relaxed dude and there is not a lot that keeps me up at night about my job and this is one area where i do stress right out and coming in here without a system for screening volunteers and knowing who's where whe with who he was was a real concern so i think again this document represents the cognition and consolidation of a lot of work over the last five years to really move this volunteer process and management system into a more professional m n legal review is done as well so we've got the lawyers to look at this and one other it's a piece to say no is that we are working pretty closely with the justice center that's a group that is very volunteer dependent and for a long time has kind of here and getting us in front of you for approval and i think represents a pretty big step for us all you know it's interesting i thought it was accessible and i think people can read this and understand it which i think depending on the volunteer position either hand this out as folks are coming in the door or at the very least make them aware of it on the web site and i think you know just west point this is designed to be pretty accessible and to be used as a tool of last year's coming in this was not supposed to be particularly walky or like hard to read so again i think as we have volunteers coming in and it gives us a chance to hand the saddam and say read through this sign off and say you run for it if you have questions let's talk about it but again i think it brings everybody  ordinance when we redid the ordinances back in june i believe it was within that chapter there's language that says for community services fees that are not otherwise codified in ordinance we will come back here optically to get resolution approval in ordinance party established already approved by council so this is by no means a comprehensive set of the fees were charging these are just the ones that either we didn't want to set a pin down in ordinance or that have come up since that point i also expect we're working now on a quarterly basis to do our program planning so i suspect you will see us sooner rather than leader for sort of the next iteration of this but this is kind of again in response to language public airing in front of you i think it's safe to say although eventually i will have john and stephanie speak directly that i think that there is some shared interest among parties that a decision on your part to direct the house and the biggest concern is outside of the home and even from when the owner is working with a trainer and it's strangers and people outside of the home is where there's a known problem so we did the ten day quarantine he was not up to date on his rabies vaccine anthony called the very next day i told him he need to call that next morning when i went to talk to anthony in previous issues history there is a previous history and partially so this was divulged to me by the owner and as well air there was no break in skin during these other instances and they were awesome the victims never reported in there like it was reported three weeks later by the victim's wife and then her husband never called us so that was the situation that happened over the summer at a softball game and he was the softball well like you said the sky is covered it pretty well my name concern is grandchildren i walk down the street every day and i'm i'm afraid i really am afraid to take a long wait but it can happen it can happen to anybody there was one time my mailman actually just spoke to me about in his happening him and he's girlfriend had the dog and she was happy to have time holding him back she had to holler at me to get the dog i guess all i want is the same other questions say these these cases can be really frustrating when you sit in this chair to be blunt because we understand that sometimes animals do things that are unpredictable their own control the fact that there's  a couple incidences in here is is is challenging and you know quite frankly when these cases come up i look at the people who are sitting in that chair as an animal or owner to and it's this isn't being pious and it's just there's there's repetitions and results if things aren't done correctly with pet ownership and that's that's a responsibility that people sign up for and from a public safety standpoint we're th responsible for ensuring that the people are doing a good job with that and following the rules that exist absolutely so and i just want to make they're really clear we're going to talk about whatever results going to come out of it i don't say that to make you feel badly or i'm sure you i'm sure you do already and i'm appreciative of that it's just i think that's a really important to the nation that most of the time i find when we're making these decisions we're making decisions about the people in the situation rather than the actual animal itself and i only say that because i hope it inspires you know whatever the result may be that that's really focused on and work hard on so that we don't have to have another hearing later that has a different outcome  don't need to do take action requiring only a short or do we if it's on their property just so i would reaffirm i would recommend you reaffirm that they but if you do this it triggers a whole different process because this isn't the first issue an instance it's the expectation it's much more clearly that is part of this release is part of us not taking additional stricter action in that this adopt park or you know i don't know how he doesn't do good with strangers it was not really the ideal place to go but like our if his friend has a better test and backyard as long as four feet or higher i don't see that as being an issue unless it were two o ok thoughts around the proposal for a muzzle leash as have a procedural question to having not gone through this process for four and also not being somebody who is an expert and animal behavior is there an opportunity to revisit this down the road if it let's say two years after working with dog behavior lester would there be the opportunity to come back and request changes yeah i think there would be up to to you i don't think there's any procedure to go to remove in order to get something we have to investigate we don't do this very often in the city so this is all geared towards doing an order there's not a lot of provisions reiterate you know it sounds like you're trying to do a good thing in rescuing a dog and trying to do the right thing so hopefully this is you know an opportunity for that continue and be a successful relationship both for you and the community and that you are both area and also be a leash and not be allowed to be free on streets  this presentation as well as a narrative memo from the proposal in front of you you have overview summaries from each of the departments about what they're putting before you and you have to roll up budgets for all of the budgets are talking about through this budget season and this document is also on the website so if there are members of the public are interested in digging into this they can go to the cities web page city presentation and then over the coming weeks you will hear individual presentations from all the departments and if you have comments or questions tonight that you would like either answers to tonight or more information as we go through through this process we're course willing to take that feedback and integrate it into our budget presentations over time so just for tonight we're going to talking about the process today and the goal stablished i'm going to give you an overview of the budgets that are recommendations before you some more overview of what's actually in those and then what to expect over the next couple of so just a reminder of where we've been and where we're going to have already had to budget discussions  far this year we had one of september eighteenth where we talked about the process and just for table setting we are doing this at a slightly different this year than we have past fears and that we are looking at you know i do not want to change the color scheme we are looking at all the funds at once the general fund and all the enterprise funds and special plans with believe that that will give you a full picture of the complete finances of the  city we had a discussion on october second about the goals of the budget of what you were hoping to receive from december fourth your hearing my budget presentation and then each of the department's budget presentations following from there and what funds will be talking about on each evening so in terms of call some of the goals that we heard from you while no vote was taken this is what we heard from you that the leadership team used to build this budget so we heard that you were interested in  level tax refund check that had no impact on the tax refund and were willing to think about an increase that would not exceed cost of living so work was if you were not interested in any budget presentation that was going to lead to the you asked us to look at specifically to focus on the strategic vision areas and the ads that were targeted specifically at grand master of an economic development looked at asked us to look at how we manage resources in the people doing the and specifically as we've talked about earlier today already focus on all the planning efforts we've done today and how to forward forward to action so budgets are as you all know and have talked about already are more than just the dollar amounts they really about dedicating the resources towards the priorities of the city and the accomplishments that we are hoping to glean from staff and our team here you see your strategic vision areas very familiar with these accomplishments and again they're in your packet for reference similarly for f y nineteen these are goals we hope to achieve in paris we hope to achieve with the budgets as represented with a big note that our re commendation will be once we move beyond town meeting day that the council staff revisit the specific goals associated with each strategic vision area assumptions and challenges we have walking into this budget and i should say at this point that this was this was a complete team effort from start to finish the leadership team spent several meetings together going over these financial realities going over ideas for cuts and putting together these recommended budgets so these are our assumptions just as a reminder a penny on a tax rate raises about fifty thousand dollars in new skete so with this budget we are assuming a two point two percent cola in f y nineteen if you probably remember in f y eighteen we budgeted one point five percent cool and it actually came in at two point seven percent that's very typical we are budgeting six months to eighteen months out so we are working with no numbers there is two ramifications of that one and it is a higher assumption that we then we've made in past years  need to acknowledge as we've built the budget from the ground up that because we had only budgeted one point five percent in f y nineteen it was actually two point seven we entered f y eighteen with a forty thousand dollar deficit so we had to grow out of that with this budget to just get to zero additionally the halfway team budget was built without projections for the recently settled union contracts and something else we have to build our way out of house insurance is projected to be go up about ten percent eleven percent this year we're projecting with this budget very modest growth rate of point eight percent outside the tiff district and one percent within the district so it's a proximately in the non tariff brand list of thirty two thousand dollars and to the revenues property tax line this year so when you think about all those things that we were growing out of with only thirty two thousand new dollars having said that the f f y eighteen for f y seventeen grand less that was for funded f one eighteen came in lower than we budgeted as well so the actual impact of that modest projection is only seventeen thousand over what we collected this year the result of all of this is as the department has presented their level services budget to myself and angela and we looked at these assumptions we actually had to cut out about three hundred fifty thousand dollars out of the budget to meet the level tax rate but that's what we kind of walked into this process with so what is what did we include in this proposal so these are our value judgments of the day then trying to if you we can talk about this over the next couple of weeks a month and a half these are some things that we did build into the proposed budget how we make tain the current staffing that we've built up over the last couple of years for the strategic vision area and specifically the communion economic development officer the communications officer and the full time planning and zoning manager we feel like those positions are really important to forward the shared strategic vision at the recommendation of the auditors we are moving the o'brien community center into the general fund are recommending moving into the general fund this here we are also recommending that we hold the general fund harmless in this first year in doing  which means we will be looking for about thirty thousand dollars in reserves to offset the lost revenue to the general fund and the operating deficit currently in the bu historically we have had received in recent history we have had a volunteer grant jerk or grand jurors that are no longer longer able to do that so to meet our legal requirements we are building in a very small budget  to bring on a contract and staff person to do that work we recommend recommending that addition of a point three f m t e a accounting clerk for ten thousand dollars a year we have a very  very small accounting department i e angela and as we think about this is it actually strategic added relevant to the strategic vision as we think about planning for the  doing kind of some of the mundane processing pieces so she can focus on those larger financial strategic thinking pieces the other very significant decision we made going into this budget was to prioritize a fire apparatus so we have two fire trucks in the city right now one is twenty four years old and one is twenty six years old it is a very real possibility that if we don't replace one of those this fiscal year we could not be able to respond to calls so we have prioritized the purchase of a new fire truck in f y nineteen for other capital investments and we'll talk more about that in a bit we have budgeted an additional eleven thousand for  technology improvements we've talked about that before this is added to our software services line and would enable us to move to a cloud solution and an improved email solution and right now we are making staffing decisions based on the number of e mail accounts we have which is really not very fact we did the other thing built into this budget is a salary contingency line for a nonunion staff so we have two contracts recently settled intend to in the next six months or so wanted to build in a contingency line to rectify some of those places where we're off kilter i think this is really important for treatment and attention whoring and we've seen some of the difficulties we've had because some of those those salary were not competitive on some of our benefit lines and some not in positions so these are proposals that are included in the budget proposals you see in front of you as well as some other staffing assumptions out of the level services but then we have what we're calling a leadership proposal budget which meets the council schools and would result in a than the nineteen level tax rate budget in the late nineteen leadership proposed budget so that should be in a form across from ups so what's actually in these budgets so this is the this is the specific detail of how we got to those two proposals so this first slide presents some revenue assumption changes we made as we talked about earlier we adopted the fee structure ordinance earlier in the here and as a result of those  fees structure as well as the growth we are seeing we estimate that these fees that you these revenue lines that you see before before you will increase from last year this is the hard sell this is the slide about reductions that we are proposing or recommending to our staff in benefits lying throughout our budget in all the detail this allows you to see where we're making those value calls and potentially c or add as you see fit over the next couple of conversations and so just to highlight some of the assumptions we've made we have cut now all over timelines for anything not police or public works and level funded those two from this here we have proposed a reduction in the office manager position with the levels or level tax rate budget we have  proposed reducing pulling our officer back from cousy we have proposed eliminating the community justice center match which is the period of forty manager we have proposed eliminating the public works director circulation assistant and then moved other stuff other salaries to other funds where we believe there is some logic based on job description in the leadership proposal budget we have put back in some hours associated with the office manager we've put back in the community just as match of the public works position and the library circularly system that makes sense does this math on this common sense there's also in your budget book at the end of this presentation a full spreadsheet of all of this data with the accompanying tax free impact and impact the property tax payers so you can look at it line by line this life present the other reductions we made in other expense other non salary and benefits spence lines so if you to call and here we are recommending the elimination of two of our city electric vehicles we currently have a fleet of four we believe  equipment that's over two decades old that mine is pretty big and we believe that will go down with the new truck we are proposing not fully funding the new ski parks district which is a goal we've had in the  past and this one on the bottom line here that i did want to highlight is we've heard me talk about this generally before managers and police chiefs from around the region have been working with the howard center to build up outreach team which would be a team of howard employed case workers who would be placed in the police department across the region with the idea of serving people specifically our neighbors who are  mental health break or substance abuse break at the lowest level free of public safety resources but also get them as directly targeted to other services as possible so for the city of new scheme that would be an add of twelve thousand three hundred that we are recommending with the leadership proposed budget that would be twelve thousand dollars to get us almost a full time caseworker sitting in the police department and we really believe that's a valuable asset to our community so the implications of those last three slyness so if you start with the level services budget consented by staff to make all of those production you just saw on the side we cut out the three hundred fourteen thousand from the budget which is saving the average property tax payer about one hundred forty dollars i'm here with the leadership proposal we are recommending adding back in ninety two thousand for a tax free impact of one point nine percent an increase of one point nine percent for and it total new new cost to the taxpayer to the average taxpayer about forty three dollars an f one team and then the additional had called which is other priorities that we think are important but didn't quite make it to that level for us but we want to have them here for you to look at would be another two person if we have been back in another two percent increase al infrastructure the significant caviar to that is that this budget does assume is probably on the ballot i am a number of years ago to increase the capital spending side five percent each year so this budget proposal does include that five percent increase so it's the baseline capital investment increase but nothing beyond that i want to provide a few kind of big picture context pieces is probably pretty obvious to those who spend a lot of time and some of us do with walking municipal budgets this is a big picture of a big revenue funds another eight percent for general government ministration seven percent for community services and you can see the expenditure dollars there so see the big picture for the property tax bill so this is the general fund only for those of us who have a home the average rate of two hundred twenty five thousand dollars a year we're spending about eleven hundred on police services five hundred twenty five thousand public works services three hundred eighty  included here because we're talking all funds in a couple of highlights from across all of the fans and i'll kind of fly through these but there are details in the budget bucket so with these proposed budgets we are not making any recommendations for changes rates on those rates haven't changed recently the water find woman with a leadership proposal maintains current staffing levels and with either proposal will make a contribution project so as you remember that farm field we discussed would fully fund the actual waste water infrastructure but we have a proposal to do the energy efficiency work in the building work at the same time  budget and the community development fund so we have me we are making a strategic recommendation with the tiff budget to reduce our payment to ourselves and employ nineteen in remaining one hundred thirty seven thousand in fine balance in that fund to strategically and fast other projects if you remember from last year we did fully budget that that of that three hundred thousand dollars appropriation last year in order to have a balance to incentivize other projects so that is the recommendation it also includes it does include funding for a new website as part of the park marketing and branding initiative  and money for promotional materials parking fund revenues are increasing slightly to reflect actual collections we are continuing to fund  as well so this is what the city's kind of buy with paid parking in the city and you have a commute just as fine budget before you this is informed by initial conversations with the department of corrections of course we will actually know the budget for that until the legislature can complete complete their budget process in the community services fund but the big difference is with the recommended budgets contemplates moving the child family program manager one hundred percent to the thrive budget one and the use of research to do that one of the things you've heard myself in re talking about in the last couple of months is our commitment of that so we are currently working with the promise community group in the schools to think how we might build that out with city partnership over the next year or two or three the  dedication of the community and family program manager soley to thrive budget allows us to build the fiscal infrastructure you would need if we were going to stand up a child care center with that through the city that was itself an enterprise funds as they said earlier we really prioritize the acquisition of a new fire truck this year over other funding sources the c h p in your budget you can see where those changed also prioritizing their work for the generator and the head works project at the wastewater treatment plant as well as improvements to the scene here center today been planned for a couple of years i do believe that significant attention is needed on the capital improvement plan we have historically really underfunded as the mayor said in his recent budget presentation capital in the city and and grow no new revenue to support ongoing preventive maintenance and if we are able to hire a new public works director this is an area where we would ask them i would ask them to focus mediately so what's next you saw this chart before you will hear  from all of these folks over the next couple of months over the next month or not the final votes required by you as you know are to approve the general fund budget and the money to be raised by property taxes improve prove the enterprise special revenue funds and if you so choose approved placement of a bomb fell for the head works project on the timing morning just you know the next couple of meetings you also hear conversation about regional dispatch that could end up was a complete team effort from start to finish all of the whole team here spent a lot of time talking through this process and a huge shout out to angela who did this just smile while also walking us through our an as well she is a rock star happy to answer any questions or get feedback on more information that you would like through the budget conversations  enough that cut out of this budget in the longer that it's a realistic lift because as i look at what the zero impact looks like that's that's not a fusible budget to me that's a budget we can that out there because i know i was really hurt in this you're saying used the same process used the same process and served this well and i do wonder if we have taken all of the soft funds out of this budget all ask to go through with that type so i want to put that out there because i want us to open our minds we go through this process about how we might be able to tweak a little bit more next year in come up with a different system for council setting some benchmarks for percentage increases in light of what the initial numbers start to look like and that's i don't know where near but i just want to throw that out there is that really hit me th go through this budget is that it's it's not it's not like years past where there was forty thousand dollars on something you know what we can sacrifice this at this we're back talking about you know thank you for doing that i should also know that it's beginning we did this presentation i did this presentation also with our staff team this afternoon so they have seen this and we have had individual conversations with all those who are potentially affected by any of these scenarios so hopefully we are minaj in those hard conversations on our end so yeah you know this we can't you can't  that was hoped for context which you know always forever heads around as we look at other thoughts questions yeah i would i would be interested in that position that i think looking back at it is this the gas right now is that they start to do some some partial analysis around potential future tax growth it's really working in that pipeline and i guess i would just ask from your position just coming in how well you feel we have our arms wrapped around future potential growth that in the small geographic area we're relying on a property going offline to put a new one in so we take a hit every time there's a reconstruction project it's not like somebody is developing a field or developing a parcel that's been in different number of years we're built out so we take the property off one in the back on and i guess i maybe a matching something to the work plan or if you have any input about how you felt think we do have a pretty good handle on specifically what's included in our projections and where that growth is coming quite frankly for f one nineteen that's built solely on what we know not what we're assuming is going to happen in the future because to number i think to your larger question do we have a sense of that over time yeah i think we do have a very good sense of that i think but we don't have a good sense of just how market factors are going to impact that you know we have seen the hotel project and the strand project and other projects along main street be there be lurking having work done on them because of outside factors aren't moving as quickly as we want i think i would be honest i think i'm a little concerned how the changes at the federal level are also going to impact how we can project out over the next five and ten years what that would look like but i do think we have a good handle on a parcel by parcel basis where we're investing our time strategically specifically have there in paul's time and where we could maximize development i think quite honestly that's a lot of what the main street project is about how we strategically invest to get that full build up so i do think we have a good sense of that i also want to in building this one of the important things to keep in mind is a million dollars of new development gets us ten thousand dollars of property tax room so when we start thinking about why don't we have growing we as a city are growing we see this happening why don't we have more more natural growth coming into the city you know to add one police officer we would need one ten million dollar project and we're not seeing that we're seeing great two three four million dollar projects and that's incrementally creeping up but it's not a big you know three or four or conversations in regards to any potential one time money that is in this budget especially with large expenditures that are being proposed and then you know you did a great memo and i did have time to go back and read it in regards to what cost fund balance last year but i guess i would just from the dish irresponsibility standpoint have to ask the question do we feel like we took into account  dollars of revenue new revenues old revenues in our current delinquent tax level is about ten thousand outstanding we just don't have that we're not we're not going to see that new again and then the second was vacancies and you know right now but for the public works director in one one we're pretty fully staffed ok and nobody is allowed to  for the record so it's definitely a lot to process i didn't just want to say is that they appreciate your blindness to giving them because having been through this budget process last year with all of them and looking at that thought of ok what does a level tax rate budget look like i can just say as somebody who just came in emerge and wanted to be on this council to be a part of this important community discussions i really think my impetus there is i mean we need to do our charges to make fiscally responsible decisions around taxpayer money while ensuring that we are funding the services that our community needs and i am with you one hundred percent that i don't see that in the level of tax rate proposal i think one of the so i guess that i appreciate you saying that really bluntly one of the questions i have before looking at the leadership proposal is are there any areas there that just kind of make your hair stand up a little bit or make you nervous for looking ahead to f y twenty and being nervous of oh i wish we had been in the position where we had to do that feeling like it might put us in a tricky position believing that that strategically positions us a little better i am worried about our level of capital investment i think we need to be investing a lot more in capital on an ongoing basis to do that  works director so what really makes my hair stand up about the local tax refund it is the lack of public works i think the leadership proposed budget would allow us to keep doing what we're doing now to  in kind of scrappy way we do in the vision that's been set by the council and set us up well going into my twenty lie to me i feel like it's also really important for us to be paying some attention to this is my job we we need to see progress in the fifth district if we do not fully build out that if district soon we're going to have a problem in the budget and what we have been able to accomplish going into f y nineteen with this deferred payment to ourselves is not going to work for another year or so so a call that we're too conservative numbers for the so many other factors that there's just no way to do this in any more or do we just need to reserve it for capital i mean it just seems in three ninety three seventy nine on balance prior to that we've had five years between seventy nine thousand and one hundred fifty thousand kind of a steady r the staffing in work so i wouldn't consider i think you know that it's a good point and you're completely valid in asking i think it's a good question i do think there was a stretch of five years prior to the last two years where we were really consistent in the amounts and it was roughly you know like i said i think about seventy five to one hundred fifty thousand dollars band there that was year after year so i guess it's  currently our plan is to give you the roll ups which are all in your binder now if you would like more detail on the specific one we certainly can provide that two months of conversations great job i think you know that is a herculean effort on behalf of staff to get there thank you all everybody you know from every position i know that takes a lot of work who are incredibly of the hard conversations don't know to be really mindful of the social order to super fast ok we'll stay on the order for my sanity  fully funded for our request so that means one thousand five hundred dollars in grant funds to support the environment all and hazardous material portion of that ninety two thousand five hundred dollar projects that you guys approved to fund as i mentioned here this was something we knew going into a plan from scratch funds because of additional reporting requirements that come along with funding stream which is a federal funding stream weston and sampson the contractor does have to tack on an additional three thousand dollars to their feet for that additional service time if that takes so that brings the net impact positive impact to twelve thousand five hundred vs fifty five but still better than what we city funds at the opportunities credit union i will keep the memo itself when i tried to do for years the layout the factors as i saw it based on the input from the auditors from the if y sixteen audit which said that reached that point yet and so what i did was based on that and to offset the situation as it stands right now i made a recommendation to you for you to consider and of course as you know this as the final f responsible agent for the city of new skete the council can make their decision based on what they want to do i'll undertake any questions you might have at that point ok so issue that arose our audit in the auditors have reviewed any proposed agreements that had been circulated the one agreement draft agreement that was sent to us i reviewed it the auditors are reviewed it as i said  draft agreement called for a collateral ization with mortgages rather than a third party line of credit so to speak and the auditors made their statements that they didn't think it was necessary that we go with  mortgages that should be more liquid rather than with mortgages i agreed with them the current the the government finance officers association also had articles out relative to collateral  liquidity rather than any other form of collateral ization and we bring this to your attention it just hasn't materialized and made a recommendation to you and based on that can decide what you know what you want to do i was suspect that opportunities will have an opportunity to sell you with they think they should do and then you can make a decision it is public funds and it needs to be collateralized and it's in excess of three hundred thousand dollars saw you decide recommendation my recommendation for the interim basically is to offset this particular issue is to remove the monies from opportunities credit union put it in financial institution where will be collateralized were will be protected and then it can be easily transferred in whatever nominations we want based on the amount of loans that are given out we can easily transfer a backed opportunities yazzie sloan is collateralize us up in excess of six million dollars to cover our checking account the other one that we deal with is people's united and we have our a parking meter funding sources through them the credit c bank they simply want to get a third party vendor to collateralize the excess funds over the two hundred fifty thousand dollars just to safeguard the city's money and that's that's pretty much of a normal practice with most of the banks i'm not that familiar with credit unions although i've learned a lesson over the course of the last six months and so for context because you weren't there from those long program discussions so we have two different loan programs set up  that purpose to run those two loan programs the housing ones been open since good working relationship with opportunities between the city two certainly are appreciative of that relationship so hopefully we'll come to that for a long time in a future i think when the problem started was as you mentioned we had two different funds and the fund that was originally used for the housing because about one hundred seventy five to two hundred thousand that was lent out back and two thousand and twelve and that timeframe the total amount of the money the rest of it fell within the quarter million dollars that was insured so loaned out or was in the quarter million that was insured under the current insurance fund and so it really didn't present a problem and then when the money came in for the business lending program i think that's when the cap kind of when it went over the cap let me just tell you a little bit quickly about our background for those you that don't know us we were started in one thousand nine hundred nine the city of new scheme made their first deposit with us in one nine hundred ninety nine which was the housing fund and we are specifically charted to work with low income and bank to under served populations original field of membership was burlington whiskey and then expanded to the state of vermont so about ten percent of our members around eight hundred of the people that we work with come from the city of new skin live here we also have additional people that are members of the credit union who work in when you ski so that combined total is about twelve hundred individuals out of eight thousand members that we have people come to us from all walks of life but generally they come to the caribbean because they don't have another place to bank so if you look around you you'll see and you may not know them my neighbor face but people that came to us because they didn't understand how to manage their money they could be well to do they could be very poor but they experience some advance in their life that causes them to not be able to be here dressers and burry thousand people that are long haul truckers who came to the credit union for credit they didn't have a down payment they were start up the credit he was there for them and so that's why this money historically has has been with a credit union what i do hope to do with him even though it seems like it's a really dr tyson years and easy thing to do is to try to find a way to either do a letter of credit or something that would satisfy the city we aren't t bank we're not you know twelve million dollars we don't have the types of assets to pledge we don't have securities we don't invest in securities all of our money goes into loans so we don't have the types of investments that you're looking for i don't know plenty of credit is allowed my understanding is that could serve to mitigate some of the risk that you're concerned about not something we could do with the federal home of a big boston would probably take us about sixty days but it's something that might satisfy and close that risk so i don't know what else to say but  we came in two thousand and ten to a new ski open up a branch across from iowa grocer at that point in time you could kind of stand in little street and there are no cars and you much be all your by yourself day or night i think we've tried to be a good steward of our corner of the block and bring business to that area and bring people in and i know the city's been really good to us when things have come up the police department in the parking staff and everybody has been extremely supportive of us so hopefully we can other so both of these funds that are sitting there housing and small business loan fund sitting with the credit union at this point how many have been used minimally in the last couple of years even before you couple of times specifically around a small business loan program we are strategically not pushing right now as we finalize the economic development strategic plan and understand what we're trying to actively incentivize in the city as well as the housing commission work and what we're trying to economically incentivize i think the funds through a see you are really pivotal to our future our ability to give out to do that and send a fusion over the next couple of years and see that balance dropping as we issue loans pretty quickly in the end of half way it's not i don't i don't want the message to be out there that we're just sitting on these funds and not using them strategically we are sitting on them in a strategic way as we figure out what to incentivize and i think a lot of those people that we might be working with are already cre you know the programs overall that's not an analysis that we're undertaking at this point in time reliable as you just said you go is to make recommendations on that and for us to implement whatever we need to do to reach the strategic goals tax issue and hearing and indicated that you would consider mended personal property tax statements from them so it is we have worked with them to reissue that it is here attached because of adjustments so your signature to allow the potential funders to talk to other staff other than me so we're requesting your authorization to put it paltry ryan limper and john cho has authorized representatives for the city of new ski on heading of the city council of city council will not come out of the meeting to make any sort of formal decision will reconvene only to adjourn so councils regular proceedings will be wrapped up no decision will be made will come out only to adjourn no food discussion on the issue any questions concerns from council any questions or concerns from the public