consultant worked on these together instead of doing one first and the other separately put this together was a little bit interesting i'm kind of sort of doing them at the same time but i'll leave with the overall transportation whatever you want to know i'll be happy to answer questions or find out answers for you so the purpose of the transportation study the town has been working from a study done in two thousand and four this is largely an update to that study was based on and get that's our situation and then at the end knowing what we found out what does that mean in terms of a capital plan at the time and i have more that they'll add to that again it's for the walking and biking side of things similarly we want to look at the existing conditions what sort of sidewalks and paths are on the ground or shoulders who is out there walking or biking now what are their particular needs and what would be the priority projects to tell him what to continue don't always have to take their car for short trips side by side comparison of the elements within the plans themselves within the transportation study most of the existing conditions in terms of demographics and all that is house to from there we didn't need to duplicate efforts in both plants so did you talk to each other and reference each other so this is just a snapshot of what's in there cipated development traffic generated from that anticipated traffic and how it would impact those existing intersections currently no stoplights in town these are all stop controlled intersections with over five thousand people live here as you know a little bit of growth anticipated in the coming years not significant but some most of the road mileage is owned by the town except for fifteen one seventeen th state speed limits pretty common between twenty five and fifty throughout and we did take a look at the pavement conditions on the ground survey with the pavements if the conditions are i'll get into that looking at whatever thirty miles and paved roads thirty four miles of gravel you can't see clearly here but in your hard copies or online you can see the color of the lines and the legend all be clear which ones  included here it's just a lot of data there is an appendix that describes the process of how scores roll everything is fairly new and rates fairly good what can you tell us a little more about the mind read for all three of those and the impacts to the twelve intersections like now there's a series of these maps in the appendix i'll do my best to explain this i think they did a good job of a very detailed job to just  say you know there's going to be a hundred twenty trips in this particular area but they actually took a look at where we can the town those would be and how they would impact those intersections as traffic through so as the sample this is looking at your in the southwest quadrant so let's say seventy percent of those troops are coming into or out of this zone but not only that there are different parts of the network and so they're consulting allocated twenty percent of this pm our troops are going this direction twenty percent in this direction thirty percent down here so if you are headed up this way if you left the zone to go up here you would pass through this intersection  has a number on this number six all the intersections the two other sections have a number so as you pass through this intersection you kept going you either go through intersection five make a left and leave this the network or you would turn right does perhaps a better job of describing that process than i did but somewhere in the timeline when future again remind me twenty thirty five twenty th y in twenty thirty five it's expected to be just under fifteen thousand so that would go up about twenty seven percent and so it's all used to be trans there's a state agency a transportation formula to help estimate what that would be the in the way these are broken up to see these first four there's congestion issues at these particular sections these are here to crash locations the segments on one seventeen and then this last the river road fifteen so a traffic signal may prove that these other three are expected to be a level of service that if we reached out build out twenty thirty five  since we're in a rural environment these may be the most common cross sections that the taliban consider the top it is a striped and paved shoulder again if we can look at where we can a shoulder but there's not a fog line separating out of traffic from bicyclists lies all the way to the edge or doesn't exist at all share the space they're coming cross which brings us to how the fits in the planning process you know what we've got know what we want to how do we get it again this goes back to the improvements as are the transportation study so these you'll you get to a certain point that it does make sense just let it go until you got to rebuild  in the walking and biking masterplan you know we have a list of projects that were necessarily prioritized but they did create a matrix to help the town consider what could be priority iraqis based on what the there are course other considerations in addition to building facilities slowing traffic down makes walking or biking more pleasant or different sorts of things that you can try if you don't want to you know bottom l going faster than they should you can do some different things to try to slow down you've probably noticed that many towns are putting up the radar speed he back signs posts which seem to be pretty effective  helpful generally speaking funding would come from either the town the state through their paid programs or their highway funding grant programs transportation alternatives like that program and the regional planning commission we also have a sidewalk grant program so we can also help with the grant writing grant reviewing the collins so feel free to reach out to us to help get some of the stuff done projects that we can consider as a priority it will be culverts and bridges the road you know we've got the pavement index so we can include back all your transportation vehicles  topic it has all sorts of negative but it seems like you still consider a signal a traffic signal a solution to a delay even though depends actually but generally probably cheaper yes and probably more accepted by the public that's just but that was always be the case and it's also  stormwater regulations for ways and i came to your presentation like i think two days later or something and so i know like you spend so long a certain amount of time studying and conditions always change so how are those stormwater regulations all new things that our town is going to have to do and how does that affect i guess the way to analyze th coordinates that overall like well why do this in the next six months and fourteen months we're going to have to do it in a different way that's not right nobody so how can we make sure we don't do that like waste ask for or not capitalized more likely not capitalize on money or technical support or because it seems like  see oh we were going to put it you know the classic mistake is you put in some sort of infrastructure under a road or you put in the road and you realize you have to put in some sort of  today as we're talking about can we help these towns do this stuff but i think the state is still figuring out some of the fear issues that will help the r p c better understand the role of the process between the state of the town but we anticipate doing a lot more of that type of work this year so i guess i would wonder if since we're working on our town hall and they didn't in the transportation section make some sort of reference to the new regulations guiding and then one of the implications would be that as new road specifications make sure that they're including those kind of both the storm water and the bike that from up pass to complete streets law and that's included in both the pain disease and what the law says is that the needs of all users walkers bikers transit riders and so on regardless of age ability mode choice must be considered all phases of a project so planning design construction and maintenance but the key word is it just do so you know for example you guys now have a master plan for walking biking and you have some suggestions projects for the transportation study so in those come up with sweet fuck all about not not what can we get away with not doing right but what and we came up with ideas for outreach and we put together this wiki map where people would enter where they bicycle where they would like to bicycle and where they were uncomfortable that sort of thing there were a couple of public hearings of the idea is that what are some ideas out there which is this document here and vision for the district so vision for the district is sort of where we need to end up at the end so or you know some of these details that are up higher are really that would these would play into  regulations right but you would you know if say you want to think about reducing the parking requirement you might say some ideas include reducing the perkier firemen or require more landscaping actual right and one thing that i thought you know this year the limiting the height of the buildings i think sometimes that gets overlooked because you can say you know like the dollar general or that warehouse building that's what i want to storey building but if we didn't want that whole separate fifteen we could say that it can only be twenty feet and say then you're not going to get that type of building there maybe it's fifteen feet so you know what if it's you know sort of backing up there this residential scale commercial development so we're talking about smaller buildings that are more pedestrian oriented that they match residential care or near i so if you you know segall are generally not to pick on them but they were coming in new make could maybe come in but their building would just have to look quite a bit different they might have to make it look like two buildings would have to be shorter roofs or shorter height parking might have to be in the rear third or there'd be a big landscape buffer in the front and something to think about with landscaping too if you're talking about not wanting to block the use of them out too you don't want mature trees that are forty feet park you might want to think about having some open space be part of any sort of development so not just you know here's an open field but maybe you want to have them have a little park or actually helped with when i was ready i said but done right out and there were some some good suggestions about some of that you know how to prevent you know that strip development as explained in the process of think in the future development even though it's pretty much developed like a long route for any future development should look how you want to look in this side if it's really this one  curb cuts and i was wondering what our concern about curb cuts has much if the person wanted to make it residential and build  have one or two people going in and out of the driveway a couple of times a day maybe for curb cuts along that entire person would be no problem if it six hundred all these things that we could all agree on that we liked like it's residential in scale and it's pedestrian friendly and it's not going to be you know smoke house or whatever then wouldn't we need to really question that there are restrictions would not be appropriate for the village center because it's kind of like if it's appropriate for the village center wanted to be in the building center if it's not appropriate for the fil center then the people before us at this table as you said both of you should be here but that's very different than saying actually this could be quite lovely and there would be no reason why someone would have to choose merge potential again and i don't know the answer and i don't even know my how i what my stance is on it that just to me seems like a really big decision because it was poorly implemented the first time around it was there for a reason and maybe it isn't the right restriction maybe it is i just think we have to we never talked about it i think we should be really careful  because doing all of this is completely not doing so we have to totally take that maybe that's no big deal it just feels big deal and it might be great it might be exactly what i think we should do i center and a commercial district we do we don't have a village we don't have a village center village center in a commercial district it's not so what what currently can take place in talking this out so the idea that this idea that it's going to just become one giant village center from the current bill and center to the bill of center can't really happen right really but that's again where i use the word to go three houses up from here in this building is it possible under current conditions i guess that's essentially the fear right that you have a dollar general every i mean it will be cost whatever some other type of dollar tree family dollar whatever but you have one every third house you know square blocks right  like it and they're right so we'd be less down and doesn't have to be home occupied business as opposed to stand alone business in the bill center in the village and village in allowed as retail unless it's home occupied like russell street and there there is the the commercial doesn't extend between the two there's little bits of buffer there's a village and we're all residential residential right our land you section defining this has been my pet peeve for a while defining districts that what they're not rather than what they are you know we talk about one of them well it's a transition but there is something for sale at the person district so why can't i put it there right that's basically what the language says a commercial district should only have stuff that's not appropriate in the village center but if there's nothing of bailable for sidewalks streets and all and all of that is expensive if we just talked to the transportation guy and it's like you can barely get a sidewalk from that neighborhood to that village cen one of the reasons why some people do stuff like this is because they want to concentrate the that's right and move into areas that they can reasonably support and then i think correctly points out is the is like the demands of a business like yours which will be noisy and all those other things you're trying to avoid a lot of  it's like industrial is one of the defining uses of the commercial district different than phillips but also retail then want to see that we have to go back in and check our language elsewhere to make sure that we're actually though our words are structured fits that need i think the way i can see them to develop it i don't even know the perfect science how we do that but i components i don't know i mean it may not be much commercial but it is the commercial district and i think at this point it's a little late for the genie back in the bottle so i think i agree with that to degree that it's a little late to put the genie back in the bottle i think that there is opportunity to create some infrastructure there which which provides for off of route fifteen travel parking interconnectivity right so i think i personally think that there is still opportunity for that specific area to develop in the way that secure this was horrible or is a really great example because you're talking about a cute little business it's the sort of problem with that but i think about what the truck what the transportation i'm think but also think about the realities of it are that it's fifteen mile an hour zone there is no opportunity f hughes pass it's one of the it had all the little red dots for crashes and safety problems and has the highest volume of traffic already in the town so any higher let's say the ice cream thing is like fabulously successful it makes that traffic problem worse in the area where we don't control the road and we don't really have a good plan for how to facilitate all the users on the road otherwise i think it's a great idea on their mind can move that same road goes through to the right but once it closed down we've spent two hundred thousand dollars on historical lighting and sidewalks and know people are expecting people to be walking across the street and furthermore if your goal is to right so you know i was thinking about i was thinking about what if we had what if we had great restrictions based on proximity to the road so that it was like a v is in three of them and so if you're a hundred  feet back you can have thirty feet but if you're only fifty feet back you can only have twenty feet and if you're five years back it can only be twelve in the areas where the view shared his important life right there not a fan of that necessarily there are like you said there are other the other pieces all fall into the overall setting but you know i was thinking about it like a v view ship coming off of the off of certainly any of these places where  the view is important you know you don't want to play greece so it sounds like what we agree on is the south side could potentially go filleted yes right the north people that are there grandfather put them in the pizza joint close the door for the last time that's it there's no more pizza joint there in the middle hardware store move somewhere that's it there's no more hardware store done that's the only way you can effect advocate a right i'm guessing i'm not advocating for that great right but if if we're continually we talk about it not and you can average can shop there right too bad there's no room in the village center it's too bad there is no house available you can turn into an ice cream shop sucks to be you can't put it there ok so and that would force those village center worthy businesses to the center can't have it so weak so i think you introduce to village center village commercial village village center well you know i i i think you could really go either way but i think in this we're i do have we have but i mean i feel like we're taking a broader view of it and what potential problems might be on that and what's the problem is in the building or is it the fact that they so she chinese crap and i can't think where the problem is from some time we've created a commercial district and it hasn't really been a commercial district now there's something in it that people are not happy about we're trying to figure out how to make people happy you can't make everybody and the only thing that's the only thing that i'm not nervous about but i'm curious if we're trying to solve the problem of selling cheap chinese garbage as opposed to trying to solve it with the problem be the same if they were selling organic lettuce probably not but the whole to what has happened with dollar general this is it has made us rethink things i think you're right but i think you're about it i'm alpaca so i i think that if you think about the survey and what people like about the town that if it were an attractive building didn't have a  that most people would not have objected but the but that didn't totally interrupt you and i participated but that's the problem because what you just said is based on the thing for two year write and read everything i hear my hands on i would answer you i don't think we should allow retail there unless it's like i'm buying a well or i'm buying something that i  town because i'm worried about the negative economic consequences to the rest of the town infrastructure in that inexpensive land just get huge up i think traffic is going to right i think hysterics are going to be terrible we can't sit here and come up with enough ways to make it look nice and still allow that use i'm not  this board of that but that's my point more than convincing the board though i think is that what the survey says more than what my personal opinion is in or your personal opinion you know we are supposed to kind of i mean that's like i'm hungry here have some ice cream like the residents i said earlier i think they want convenience with character you know if you ask them do you want an ice cream store don't say yes do you want to rise from the store that you can walk to ride your bike to go to after school or do you on ice cream store in the middle of group fifteen next that big ugly warehouse there can't take the nice ice cream store in the village and so we can't come up with enough ways to make sure that that's going to happen unless we say yes or no green otherwise we'd be here for ten years coming up with rooflines and co workers and i'll talk crap i don't i don't disagree with you and i think again that's why i think like the major try sort of right i'm trying to bring it back to what what's the problem what's the problem and the problem is the problem retail  you don't know dollar general if the town and i'm not saying you like you specifically but if a town doesn't want another dollar general there's a simple solution ban retail what it means we can't have anything else that's retail to buy you know cleaning supplies but it really was a lumber yard and so a lumber yard which requires space and access and you don't go to three times a day for mel might be a good kind of retail to have in that location maybe i don't know but then that's why i said in the other meeting well what if i was selling you know one dies that's a good use for the commercial district i don't think the town necessarily really wants  argue for ten years about sightlines rooflines and all this it's got to be a v or not or whatever but like do we allow retail or not i mean if you're a half ago two years ago two years when i started on this board i think in the first meeting i was like  you know we were getting a fourth village center whether we like it or not at this point so are we going to do something about it or not i mean i guess and should we i don't have a problem with there being retail i think you know again we all seem to for the record i would have a hard time saying all right that's my personal opinion but what we really sort of vision anything else that's going to change that develop their jobs retail is going to be down behind anyway there's not much space left  of the matter is that strip has not been good for retail that that restaurant has been in town twenty years in four different restaurants they're all rounder but that's another you know there's a really good purpose there's already t building there there's already where there used to be video clips you know we might as we'll use those spaces that exist or make them available for somebody but ensure that they would say we can't be close enough to write so we're going to go look in another town or they would say we have to say i met a guy at that conference and from everything that they demanded that they do and so i guess if we did all this and we still laugh retail we might still get a dollar general and are we solving our things and we still allowed retail do you think that we were solving any problems so no or no because i don't think of it as a problem right now you have to know how many people in town go to get a pizza everybody everybody i mean i mean i got those damn clowns all over the floor of my truck from the from the pizza place it's kind of like and now people go they go down behind but if it were if you were a clean sheet of paper sure but there's a bunch of existing stuff there so if the if the requirement is you have to get get them to give you what he's been and give you part of their property to access your own otherwise you can't buil wal mart home depot lowes and the starbucks and t g i friday's can all go on the same plot so they have to do all that stuff you know and they provide all the space and then those businesses come and we need to war i was going to say we could use a function we could use what katherine i don't mind in her document and go through that and say which pieces of this should apply to the whole and which