actions by the airport authority taking over his land and though the nature of the protest and the way that he was was treated after this after this government protest it suggests given the his other statements that he didn't know that he was applying for asylum at the the well known chinese population policies that that question would not have come up at any time during their conversation given the great detail that's been put into his statement well the have a question that this troubled me and reviewing this record the your client produced a document in chinese was translated that purported to show the date of the abortion in china that's  well i think i think as i read the immigration judge following judge by these questions what he said was i find you not credible so he wasn't taking what he said about the abortion honest found that the petitioner was not credible and he said he should produce documentation the government didn't object this document came in which purports to be and says well what it is the fact that the wife did have an abortion that was never mentioned by the judge what do we do with that i mean there is documentation in the record that there was this abortion and there was the ground that counsel brought before the i j a which you ignored because the credibility fight so how do we handle that well it's true that there is no evidence that she had an question is whether his claim that the abortion was forced is credible or not and gratian judge found that there was a problem with that claim and the problem was that he did not have a good explanation for why he raised that claim later you know the husband as well as ys are eligible for asylum or they didn't know that if you know that well immigration just knew that the chinese community knew that because he was seeing husbands coming in all the time raising that claim so he knew that the chinese expatriate community was aware that husbands can make this claim and he just didn't find it believe all that this is really and was not aware of that that's common knowledge and i think that is a reasonable conclusion that was based on his own experience or you know in our circle we have some very strict rules on credibility maybe even more harsh than other circuits so you think your argument has revised or our decisions relative whether what the hi jay can use for credibility finings ye what he knew the chinese community was aware of he also found problems with mister claim that he was being persecuted for the anti government demonstration he said that the police were continuing to be interested in him they were you made a statement that i don't believe about what your wife told you about the police it doesn't relate to the abortion issue i agree with your honor and but i i think my reading of the transcript was not that he was  original claim about the anti government demonstration that he was saying i'm not relying on that at all i think my meaning of it was he was saying and i'm going to focus on the abortion claim here and i'm going to testify about that if you want the other claims still out there if you want to ask me on cross examination you know be happy to answer any questions but he didn't say i'm not perceiving on that claim now maybe that's what he said here i didn't read his argument that way but if he's moving away from that i agree with credible based upon his knowledge of the of the system and whatever and then says well you're not credible so i'm going to apply the nine credibility when it comes to the abortion is that what you're saying no no i don't think that's what he didn't  found when finally credibility find growth of the abortion at all he didn't talk about it at all he just you blew out the abortion because he found he wasn't credible if you can't get to where he went unless you find first he's not credible because there was testimony and there was documentation with regard to abortion so much a blow out as crystal credibility and say i'm not going to believe anything you tell me and the only way you get there court and your argument is to say his immigration claim roe areas are silent claim based upon him was an incredible  immigration judge got there by looking solely at the abortion claim and saying ok you raised it late why was that it's suspicious if someone fills out as judged by the pointed out a very detailed application and has an attorney and no matter how incompetent one has to expect an attorney with confronted with a chinese asylum application would ask them about the possibility that they had experience with the chinese population control authority so although with all of that he never raised the claim until after his interview with this time officer after his asylum application was originally denied and then there's the french she says that it was because his roommate told him that he couldn't apply so then you're you're saying then we move upstream being he was not believable about his asylum claims really to us from self his general credibility that he didn't believe the credibility about the the detail with this roommate that you know i'm not i'm not saying that the emigration just ever combined the two he said ok let's just look at his claim that the roommate told him that husbands were not eligible and i think immigration judge just found that was not a believable claim based on what he knew of the knowledge within the chinese community that attorney would have mentioned at some point and consultations and that goes back to to his response saying well translator prepare my petition my roommate told me didn't count i didn't tell him right my lawyer came just a little while come here and bringing these claims all the time so i think that there is knowledge in the community about these claims the fact that one he would have believed his roommate without asking someone with more authority more experience with the system that's not credible there is some sort of class are you setting up that all chinese people are aware of the fact that if and it is true that there were a portion is no doubt about that so if you come to the united states you better tell me about it because that's a real good ground to be there the record compels the conclusion that mr du was credible about his abortion claim and i don't think the record compels that conclusion here that was enough doubts about the claim because he raised it so late in the process after had with the chinese communities knowledge of this world looks for one other issue your interest indicated to me that even though he produced documentary evidence and abortion it didn't show that it was a forced abortion what's in the record that shows that abortions in china are commonly given that are not forced in other words we know they're forced because we know that if you have you're given only the option of having one child and so they then monitor and the record in this case at it for that with that issue in mind but the fact is because of the the rules and regulations in china a lot there are millions of abortions there every year and most of those abortions are people going there voluntarily in