holds the examiners finding of obviousness and there and the bird concludes that that the malick reference would lead one of ordinary skill in the art to see that instead of having the user manually handle each call it is more efficient to have the c i are managed to be configured in advance and handle we call quarterly i think that's really where we're  automatic response is at two thirty six paragraph two seventy seven where it says you can have automatically responding to the call with a standard response such as a pre one of those that's the only thing malik disclose now what about this one feature that i just alluded to the automatic responding to the call with the standard response that's sort of like the do not disturb message th conference call and what what this sierra manager does is when other when other calls come in it gives the person the user who's on the conference call information about each of the cars com in for example name telephone number or whether you even have a an appointment scheduled with that person so at that point then the user has the option of saying oh here's a call community what i want to do with it at this point and there's there's five options manual options that are given and these are at again you can see them at that figure ten but also an eight to thirty three of the record paragraph two fifty three the use ongoing conference call so you can see the concept of maliki is a neighbor and the user to be able to to make a decision at the time the call comes in with respect to what to do with it and one of those might be to place it on hole now this is the complete opposite of of ask house and then because the concept that mr ask cat was the person is in a meeting he's doing with people who are important people that he doesn't want to disturb that if a call comes in by having a form of the senator has her phone out of his his pocket and hit holder or whatever sir but who knows that when he's in this meeting an important cause going to come in like for he's going to call and he's got to take that call but he doesn't want to disturb the meeting so he does this automatic preset to put the call on hold with the other element that we can also talk about which is the loan volume the cations so when he gets that the indication that there's a cap being put on hold and he can gracefully get out of the meeting so that has nothing to do with malik malik is just it's just a completely different situation again the only board had substantial evidence to support its interpretation malaka as i have described the ability to set these features and have these things done automatically at the end of the case because if if that's the feature right now the words with che the concept which a was you have your cell phone and you a cast a call comes in and you want to take the call but your hands are free that's how the concept of a shape is as you use your voice heard you say hold and the the car will be placed on hold now again that's completely different than ascot because what ascot is trying to do is to keep quiet not to disturb sha explicitly teaches the you know this automatic resetting of whole that it's not a it's not satphone and so you still would have to combine it with tray shakes which is a way so that combination shouldn't the teachers it teaches a whack and the director didn't didn't take that argument on its merits because trey clearly doesn't teach as a wife but the the director's argument is that that we didn't well use that particular argument before the does not there's no reason to do it there's no reason to combine it with math so at least under the court's case law on flavor for example the harrah's case and the interactive gift exchange case as long as we raise the issue the basic the the the the sappho to automatic hold and then this element is when that happens the firm automatically will set the itself too will allow volume indication which is in keeping with what i described before in other words when the car comes in then it's going to be placed on harold and you're going to get a land value medication so you don't disturb the meeting so it either gives you an automatic little hall low volume indication circuit system with you that you could use sat phones in those wireless phones with and it just simply says what with with a cell phone you can have a ringer or a low vibration or whatever but it has nothing to do not too much down malik says on her message so clearly that's a nice suggestion that both the board and the examiner had a reasonable basis to rely on as substantial evidence maybe some other rationale might be plausible throughout other parts of the record but this rationale is clearly possible and is substantial evidence supporting the board's motivation finding that using an automatic feature which malik says is a benefit and cheney and the like already hold calls so whether it's missing is to preset canals to hold that's discloses low volume vibration in car hold settings a skilled phone maker would be motivated to be quiet unless the court has any questions i would be happy to take my seat thank you the choices for cat handling may include automatically responding to the call with a standard response such as a pre court message that we agree on but that's the only automatic part that one automatically doesn't appear again in that you can't automatically have that and if it's going to be a selected response it's going to have to be selected at the time call that at the time it comes in otherwise it's the same thing as as the first clause you've  ignoring the call well again you can't automatically ignore the call and wish if you're just talking about the same thing as the first response which is sending a prerecorded message taking the call when you can't automatically take the call because if you're on a conference call who has had plenty of this thing is to be able to know whether you want to take the call if it comes in so you can't automatically take the call so you can see that the word automatically doesn't modify all the all the different  here besides that first one we talked about the preordered message that the action features and there at the explicitly described is what the user does when the call comes in so this has just has not