current and projected together because you say the current kandor garden at our hill is at one sixty eight but you project the grade and next year to be one hundred eighty do you gain a lot of that many kids ok firm make murray are they totally eliminating their that s a t testing or not replacing it with anything else or is there something a year that they use study island right now the benchmarking cast we targeted in our the administration of our assessments right up at mari we have a lot of a lot of end of year data now that is a ses and whatnots we don't need any more of those tests what we we do need there is an area of the i mean do i think that just of all the ones that we're eliminating or things that were not high value find other ways to do it and you know the ministers had a really nice job of coming together and having really good dialogue and pushing one another to sa really how do we use it if the answer is we use it because i've always used it suffered enough and so they were very relieved to be able to make other decisions and i think again this is part of our effort to move to a more site based budgeting where they're the principles administrators and the teacher teams are going to be responsible for how they use their funds and they're going to invest them in ways that they believe are going to be best for the children much less interference from central i have a question about hill the s a t testing materials at ninety six thousand now is that fowler because in the front w system put that into her budget is a line item because when we were moving forward they were going to use that it only covers the material so it doesn't include scoring which in the assessment budget out five thousand  know that's why it's reduced by five thousand and her whole budget included five thousand dollars for the s a t up part of the sixty it's just the simple point is the materials that we have using her records are interactive whiteboards and some of the services we can but we're looking at a different way of delivering some of that believe the morning announcements essentially and that's that's the extent of it because a lot of the resources that they now use in the classroom are my base and they're tied directly into the you know as as we've run we've just changed education crazy but that's different from the final balances and because yeah because i thought that there was you know money specifically earmarked for increases in pension and i didn't know balance every time you try to make the balanced budget and what happens in the event that you have one foresee the expense that comes down the road to the first or the second argument is you limit yourself when you don't raise the tax base because then you can operate you cannot raise the revenue happen we have to be able to generate income necessary to operate and that's not good for the taxpayer but as fiscal stewards of the district it's the only way for us to do the job right now let's say that it doesn't happen we're able to sit down we can you know work backwards which is a and that's currently what is in what is currently an army by our balance now here ok so we do an additional bond the next one is the bond issue and what you have before you are five proposals just so you know these proposals came in as late as friday  so in terms of you getting access to these you're getting in pretty much as soon as the district is what i'd like to do to just help some of you out who might not understand this is i want to go to some of the relevant pages in each of the  each of the packets so that you know kind of what's important to look for and just you don't mind you want to start with the block when i heard jeffrey one these are some of the things you want to look for is the cost they would charge her thousand dollars are you look at a whole paragraph in bold print three the last three are much clearer in their presentations i'm just going to point you to the relevant pages and this one here that looks like but here we are from there i would point you to page fourteen very top of the page under the number twelve question they were proposing underwriting discount not to exceed four dollars and ninety five cents per thousand barrel so just between those two proposals you can see a significant difference i'm sure there are cases in the bond issue but on the other side of the nonprofit i've never seen it not exceed personally i mean i never save all it's always come in and i've been made aware of this issue i wouldn't expect it to anything le page you want to look for is this one it's twenty five and this is very clear because the rates on this one and then the maximum annual that service number is very clearly articulated for you i appreciate this one of the next two because they're very clearly laid out and you can see the numbers are sitting there right for you and i'll point you to the maximum annual debt service number of four million forty four thousand that projected number was frozen i think was close to million forty four thousand for debt service which again is about a half million dollars less the original direction now explain that four million number like what does that means that the amount you'll repay that is arnel yearly if i'm wrong that's our right but we are yeah yeah so all i would point out first of all let me say this i'm going to encourage you to take these on by just these give me your feedback to make money now we have a conversation with mr belcher for the next board meeting to give the recommendations i would seek your input on for the proposal so we will take a look at that but at the end of the day the most important thing you do have to really pay attention to is the numbers because the cost is there really the figure very let's take a break right now so i would say we've gone through them fully because as he said to you we just received some of them as late as this half hour so you know that's why i'm saying if you look in your questions we will certainly talk before the next board meeting and what have you no other to say you know three but i think that the most accurate that i've seen out of the five terms of where we're asked what our desires are i think some of the things in there that are important to you please note the first and i said the last three that we presented to you i think the way they presented it is very easy to see if you don't know finances well they laid out for you final maturity date project plan you know all of the positive are of the issue estimated cost of insurance these things are important and they're very diluted out and by the way those three companies also give you the same options i should one two three  well as i've got this whole stack of our solicitor proposal here i think what are you we're going to be receiving from for solicitors for this school district that's an issue that i think we should look at in terms of the type of solicitor we are going to be and how they charge us because that's a big deal but in terms of what you're talking about every one of xamples and they're going to be wildly different which tells us the president intent behind to says right so i know this is a lot of information so please take time to look at it so you know so many questions other questions concerns when it's in the process submit your information questions concerns we will have a proposal for you june thirtieth at that meeting to vote out and also to understand that there will be another vote after that  two different figures and you see all these figures are based on seven million one of the things that we would like your input on is would it not make sense to potentially go as high as ten million to do this bond issue now with favorable rates and that way we would have to worry about to actually have to do this again three or three or five years if need be we could but again it's just on the table i'm not saying we have proposals before it's for seven million which you see we have savings on so we know already that we have was going to be fun pretty much everything so i presented but please understand too that the number we presented to the last time was four and a half million for this actual manual that service per year and that number i don't think included this rebate that we got that was just a number that we got presented to us as a number to put in the budget in our current number up for getting five million is already there so an extra half million are left i don't know i'm not as good to get math maybe you would be was right right but those all came at a cost it like if you did all of this back then you would have really saved on a lot of cost would that be accurate for now there's the with the amount of time we have to stretch our debt out to receive the money savings that we would have to need to make up the deficit would we have to be able to push our guy out another twenty years or whatever to receive you know two million dollars i think we could do but i don't think america is possible but to do that is a lot different than taking on a million dollars of new debt then just refinance if we're to do this we're taking on new day we're taking out of the cost of  i don't know i i would have to agree with what dr artie said the one big issue is one of the issues we talked about recently of why we buy some extra funds we still have the pirate issue which is floating around out there and what else might be coming up who knows what is going on but if we structure this correctly we would have a total of sixteen million dollars that we could use and we already have projects for almost a total mile we can still take the six and push it aside there's no time restriction and use the rest of it that we would have to use that within three years  correct right save that for the pyrite or the on foreseen boiler roof or whatever but expenditure and then that way we can get a lot of this other stuff done which should bias a number of years of the items that we players we've got to make sure we keep some money in the bank because there will need to say it but there will come unforseen problems and if you don't keep well i like to say that somewhere around one of two million dollars always perpetually moving on because when an issue happens it's a big issue it could pick up a lot of money so by doing it this way five years down the road we are positioned to do again if we needed to do it again because of our aggressive debt payment schedule and i me why there is no restriction on using those six point five million now time restriction but if we get a binding assurance there would be a time restriction only shows that is that the original let's say we decided today that we wanted to build a new school somewhere be it whatever break your scenario and ability to cheer going to do for that by the time you would actually go through the process and we'd actually have to do the funding you could be th five years down the road and so on top of a world where are we have shrunk a much that we actually have bought by that amount of money so therefore we could take a fifty million or to build at this cold air probably still keep our i agree with them is we have the capacity to do a pocket fifty million dollars we would have the capacity to do it not worry about bank on money cocaine which would be a benefit to us because of our gross of debt payment straight to build their schools if we're going to need to build a new school was going to be because the population has increased the stude populations rehberg or you're going to give or assessment chips you're going to get more taxes coming in so there's going to be some loss set  capital projects thing to make our buildings more updated and our technology more updated and putting us in a place so there's not such an outlay because the sooner we get these things done cheaper the cost is going to be in the long run the longer you wait to do them the higher the cost goes that simple so i'm arguing that the money we're investing now will pay off in spades going forward but your point is well taken but i think we've got to be careful because while i i'm arguing that we might want to and certainly and we start reaching out too far now we have this requirement of spending and you've and i appreciate that but how are we going to spend another whatever million in three years if we're already having a hard time so it's a great point it's something i think we should put before but i think currently we're in a position where ten million would be i  think respectable for us to do now and i don't think it takes too long mr oh if we we find a revolution that we have and all the kindergarten need next year next year we have to tell them we developed you know we're in the position where we can do this and that's the good news have a weapon are on board docs which is a program that would assist the board in posting and distributing all of our information that we get in our packets and i actually did the web in our last week and i thought that the program seemed really outstanding and they have a light version and a pro version of the light furs and is not very costly it's two thousand seven hundred dollars a year and then an additional first time one thousand dollars for them to come in and train but what i see is the benefit of is using the administrative staff and how many copies and call waiting and stapling and putting together packets for us and then when changes are made that goes out again and this is a web based service where you can go on so you're not you don't have to download the p d f and open it up or anything like that it's web based whenever they make a change here it's made there whenever they have that same document it could be posted to the web site so that the public gets access to all of the document because i know that for instance when you look at a lot of our meeting agendas on our website i allot of our documents that we're using are being posted and i have not checked with the administration but i'm guessing someone is because it's you know they're e mailing it then they're posting it to this care website then they have to post it there this would be a one stop shop you have different  allocations or coding you can made a certain document so that it could be only just board members have you public has a view i was interested to see if it in any one of our committee meetings or in an afternoon or something whether anyone would be interested in having them personally come here and give a presentation to the board half hour forty five minutes to see what that program would be to see if access to documents and manically with just you know a click of a box but it would also if there's any changes to the documents i don't know whether they work in the program or not but it's just updated automatically it's not that they have to go to that website and upload it so i would think based on the presentation that i saw that it would be a substantial savings of time and paper i know dr french you used it in the city of pittsburgh i know you use the pro and there's i mean there's all such great things like you could automatically generate your minutes you may you know you check boxes as to who votes for against something it automatically generates minutes that's the pro version which is more expensive but i just felt like do you think that there would be a benefit in how much that is the capital projects budget but the really neat thing you see me taking my meeting notes all the time and it's because i keep them in one document so i can go back and search when did we talk about roof if i have used that term in there well that allows you to go back through all the documents that were ever given to you to say when did we know about the high school turf and you get to search and opening up every document every agenda know it because i would never do it if the administration was not interested in doing it she told me she never will and if you if you if you felt like you want to me to set up a time and then i could chat with everyone who would want to be