us want to call to order city council caucus for july twenty third two thousand and twelve item number one under final consideration in ordinance amending chapter one forty four of the code of the city of schenectady ok discussed in committee without objection on consent to was yes i'm sorry i'm number two number two was the civilian one number one ok ok number two is being pulled from the agenda number three number three item number three under original consideration a resolution proposing changes to chapter one eighty six of the code of the city of schenectady to ban smoking in city parks introduced o e with a resolution calling for a public airing on monday august sixth two thousand and twelve at seven p m at council chambers room two  the dates not correct august ninth is not correct it should be august night right that's all on the agenda item number for resolution authorizing the bearers those ignitor enter into supplemental agreement number three for quad harbor and associates for the erie boulevard reconstruction i hate ninety eight deliberately straight ten one seven five seven point one six point one two one slash point one two two slash point two two one ok would have jackson on consent number four world here on the consent agenda number five number five a resolution amending resolution two thousand and twelve one for six regarding a grant application today our state for liberty park improvements without objection on consent number six numbers six a resolution authorizing the city to enter into a contract with the new york state division for criminal justice services to secure impact nine grant funding without objection and consents in for seven number seven a resolution authorizing the settlement of a tax search or wary concerning the property located at eight twenty francis avenue in the city of schenectady number seven without objection on consent number eight number eight a resolution authorizing a settlement of attacks or she wary concerning the property located at seventeen zero eight forster avenue in the city of schenectady without objection on consent number nine or number ten i'm sorry number nine a resolution celebrating the creation of the bellevue market in the city of schenectady and council member browser you're going to read this will take that out of order number ten number ten a resolution awarding the bid in contract for the two thousand and twelve water main replacement project in the city of schenectady based didn't alter that number one to time to break the company in the amount of four hundred thousand four hundred  thirteen thousand one hundred thirty seven dollars ok this was discussed in committee without objection on consent number eleven number eleven a resolution awarding the bid contract for the two thousand and twelve water valve replacement various locations in the city of schenectady new jersey and construction group l l c in the amount of two hundred eighty seven thousand six hundred thirty two dollars and ninety five cents again also discussed in committee without objection on consent and number twelve number twelve a resolution awarding the bid contract of the city of schenectady two thousand and twelve paving program parts want to a and one b to carver construction company in the amount of one million three close the consent agenda move on to the scanty city council meeting for july twenty third and please rise for the invocation know we actually got even if you look upon us right now and then as you look upon this household are we actually to touch nor you are the invited guests in this house today alone and now when we see the all over your wisdom and your knowledge and your understanding no we have one agenda that we're going to take out of order and that is number nine like to ask whoever is here from the greenmarket as well as bellevue preservation lee come up to the front please and the well certainly the resolution will explain a lot of this sometimes i think the meaning gets lost and in some of the words i just want to say a wonderful wonderful thing has happened this year the schenectady greenmarket through grant funding in new york state  developed an offshoot market in bellevue the reason bellevue was chosen is that the broad view preservation league under the leadership of julia louis but also certainly the backbone of jackie herd showed a tremendous interest in having the market and dedicated themselves to making sure that it would be marketed and that people would come and the market is building little by little and wrist serving and selling righteous wonderful food every thursday three to six at the corner thompson and broadway in addition to our green market which is around city hall right now every sunday from ten to two so this is a resolution celebrating the creation of the bellevue market in the city of congratulations support this is well as the churches in the neighborhood maranatha ministries it's something that we've been wanting to do for a few years and i just hope that it continues please come three to six on thursday every thursday until the end of september and there is other members here and that there's a lot of volunteers it's almost impossible to thank everybody so thank you all for thank you a as the president of the screen greenmarket board cannot be here tonight that he had reaal so certainly would be remiss if i didn't mention debbie because she was insane enough i mean motivated enough to take this project and really almost singlehandedly so thank you ok so we have no public hearings scheduled for this evening and is this correct there are no minutes this morning ok and there also are no minutes for they're not available yet for next to last weeks two weeks ago petitions and communications communications presented to the city council for monday july twenty third two thousand and twelve from the mayor a list of appointments dated july twenty third two thousand and twelve from the director of water and waste water a letter recommending that we award of the water being replaced by a project through a low is responsible better made by time company advance for new york in the amount of four hundred thirteen thousand one hundred  thirty seven dollars from the director of water and waste water a letter recommending the award of the water valve replacement project to the lowest responsible bed made by jersey and construction group l l c of water believe new york in the amount of two hundred eighty seven thousand six hundred thirty two dollars and ninety five cents from the city engineer a letter a letter recommending the award of the city of schenectady two thousand and twelve paving program parts one day in one day to carve construction company inc about a month new york in the amount of one million three hundred eighteen thousand one hundred forty nine dollars and eighty six cents general put to general communications there are none and under petitions there are no thank you committee reports any committee reports this evening  the possible resolution it's in conflicts between a t f and the city is connecting the meeting was recessed we will we've asked them questions and we need to get some more answers on before we make any movements out of committee reconvening wednesday at five thirty it will also be an executive session and then if we come to a conclusion at that point i believe   so that was the meeting this evening and i just want to make sure that everyone was aware and folks were following thank you ok great thank you anyway outs committee meetings next is privilege of the floor on the legislative agenda i only have one person signed up in that is robert c enders seven miles of roads being paid i'm not sure that and i want to know what roads were being paved if that was already in the paper i hadn't heard of that all those were the two other questions i had we're going to move on to our legislative agenda there is one i don't know i it's been requested for a roll call that's number one did number one for final consideration an ordinance amending chapter one forty four of the code of the city of schenectady would you wish to speak to this dog owners and that they should take care of their animals keep them contained so that no one gets hurt and cetera but my my concern with this as it has been from the beginning is the imprisonment possibility of  the person doesn't get insurance i just think that's an extreme measure i and i see that it's gone from up to a year to up to ninety days yet and still someone being imprisoned it affects their livelihood because they can't work and it just affects  lives in multiple ways i would have preferred to have seen that this be done by removing the animal as opposed to someone going to to prison or to jail on this so that's what i want to speak to on this particular piece of a legislation thank you anyone else makes this legislation or was broker yes we'll move on to privilege of the floor and first of all i'd like to call up mr joel reed timer in if i pronounce it wrong i i apologize and mar first start by thanking city of schenectady specifically mayor mccarthy and his department of development for their great leadership in establishing this partnership it is often said that from big from small things big things one day will grow the key to the city partnership is a perfect example of just this over a year ago a fledgling partnership between the city of schenectady key bank and prudential manor homes began today this partnership has grown ten fold and  comprised of many city departments local business and many interested homeowners and city residents all of whom share their expressed desire to see this great neighborhoods return to their prominence city is a partnership that works like all true partnership should with each individual entity bringing something unique to the table the city of schenectady brings a leadership and a visionary pro matic approach to attracting new residents to its town professional m has been a great partner and brings many years of expertise and professionalism as well as an outstanding selection of homes and key bank is proud to provide the affordable financing for these home buyers including first time home buyers to enjoy those to join those who already know what a great place connected he is to live and to raise a family working together we have been able to contribute to the revitalization of the city is connected to the numbers we seen to this point speak for themselves we've had fifty two house closings since inception of this program back in september we've had over seven hundred ninety eight inquiries and interest about living in the city of schenectady and currently we have sixteen loans in progress for what to be our new residents from the city it's going to be for those of you who do not know what key to the city is or what the partnership is i'm going to hit real quickly on the financing key to the city is affordable financing up to one hundred percent first mortgage financing on one in two unit owner occupied homes and schenectady there's no upfront cost or application fees unless the loan is a recall loan request is denied or cancelled there are discounts on closing fees when you open a keeping checking account most importantly though we offer pre purchase as well as post post purchase education to home buyers long of past the days of easy money that didn't work in the past so in cooperation with the city of schenectady we have partnered and providing home buyer education to make sure these new residents stay in their houses so wanted to thank you all again for what a remarkable program good evening down some memories madam president mayor mccarthy through the mayor's initiative and the city development office key bank and their key to the city participation continues to grow our city wide open houses started in february every city wide open house always began with a press conference our first one was here at city hall the second one was at schenectady high school the third one was at schenectady green market the fourth was van rankin where we have is taking place and then it was the daily gazette and now this sunday on the twenty ninth we will have a press conference in the rose garden with the city wide open house following the purpose of this is to feature schenectady and its various venues and we will continue to do so from january first to may thirty first based on schenectady recorded  considerably it's a balcony perceptions and changing prejudices often unfounded as to our educational system and the true value of schenectady homes we did a cost analysis myself and key bank joe as to how a home in schenectady with the same style and condition for a price point and taxes would compare to home of the same criteria and other areas of the capital region the cost is significantly lower pertaining to monthly payments and the term of the loan here in schenectady compared to those other areas and the home that we used was updated with the others were not i want to i would like to just hand this out to members and just to pass around anyone and schenectady citizens here if they're interested this is a very important piece the last seven years we have concentrated on the reinvention of our downtown and what is success it is now we also need to concentrate on revitalizing our neighborhoods and that's the purpose of this program thank you thank you very much thanks for being here tonight harry brand we ever get all that back we don't get a bunch of feedback back that all here at these meetings and i think would be nice if each member of the city council was responsible for giving us some feedback like what the park with the tennis courts with a golf course but we don't get hardly anything are the fees there are we get money on the golf course what's happening we used to get something very little but we got something no we get nothing the other thing is the streets manholes this eerie least thing probably but let's get these fixed it's a crime that these can't be taken care of i don't mean you city officials but that you can't get the employees in his city to do something and get the stre avenue by park that's been recessed at least ten years or more the put a little blacktop around yet philip gosh hang thing with blacktop or if you can't do anything else but why people have to drive all around to avoid these or other claim their cars into it or ruin their front end or tires i don't understand your thing i'd like to speak about is the the seniors hard to buy crisis in this recession  thirty one point five million older americans already have lost their homes with millions more at risk as the national housing crisis takes its  toll they just can't weather the storm and you are going to have to control your taxes are going to have to control your your fees those fees should all be included in our taxes there should be no fees where you go and raise them without being honored to include it in our tax as a tax according to are about six hundred thousand people who are age fifty or older are in foreclosure about six hundred twenty five thousand is same age group are at the least of these three months behind in their mortgages you've got to take some of this into consideration here you have a building down here and start to think street just a couple billy's tone from the bistro look to the side of that building you want to have a downtown celebration wonderful but can't you get some of these things fixed up it's a disgrace not only for the citizens here but anybody coming to schenectady thank you for your time thank you kevin cha good evening schenectady city council i'm up here again you know this issue about the jobs in the community is really getting out of hand we really need more jobs here part time jobs full time  kids need jobs we need to get together and put some money into this community and really rebuild this community clean it up people are willing to clean up the community give him from jobs do you know we don't want to sit home watch t v all day we want to good evening my name is mary mcclain i live in the city several items tonight first of all one of your constituents asked me just tell you that she has called city hall to over poor problems a cutler streets and that the alleyways of seventh and cutler streets no one has responded if anyone here is interested please do something about the good freebie and abandoned house in that area regarding the litter in the street a good start reader suggested i share my ideas about the problem and i will do that last month i attended the hamilton hill art center block party my husband parked the car on a very street as i walked down the street there there was litter everywhere so this is my suggestion whenever groups organize community events they should include cleaning the area as part of the activity it is a good way to utilize manpower while people are standing around waiting for the food to cook having said that one need not pick up litter from the street but anyone who feels that way can be assured that the litter will be there tomorrow and more of it a perfect example is the area where the former cloister conduit is located there is more trash on the ground then there is vegetation f i were sitting in one of these seats i would have paid a visit to that facility a long time ago and that is the difference between what is offered and what we get regarding the two expenditures that were passed at the last council meeting i want the people out there in t v land to understand what city council did joe look at the july ninth meeting coun voted to spend nearly a half a million dollars on two projects one project cost one hundred fourteen thousand dollars a council member voted for it because she felt that if the job was outsourced the contractor might not show up to do the work that may be the way things work in the restaurant business but no other project i suggest the council members asked for and the objective opinion for a forum and for information council members must understand the impact is in regards to a couple articles that were in the gazette a few weeks ago i want to correct some things that were said in there both articles that they claim the cap e l o illegally dumped waste into the city sewer system capital never illegally dumped anything into the city sewer system everything cappiello did we did according to all the rules restrictions everything else that was apply to us i'd like to know where the check out their information for those articles little history this all started back in the ninety's early  ninety's lot of different articles or in the case that back then pointing fingers of capital they were the cause of all kinds of problems at the sewer department my father my family chose not to say anything take the high road let's work with the city get things done never happen we settled in ninety five after a lawsuit harassment continued i personally had a stand and you pointed out at last that by city workers who painted a very large cut here in our street parked the end loader in front of our receiving banks of vehicles couldn't get in this went on for years we started hauling our waste way out of the plant i disconnected he trying to rush through this a better long story short by ninety six ninety five we were hauling all of our waste way out of the city very little of anything was going down the drain right through today as far as i know from two thousand and one excuse me around two thousand and three suddenly we got notice that the agreement we had ninety five was no longer valid it was told to the judge at the last lawsuit we had reason being the city was broke they need money capital it was a source two thousand and five kapiolani the decision to relocate it was necessary i don't want to run out of time here meeting after meeting cap yellow had bernie sesson the mayor anybody we know it just baffles my mind that all these things go on the meeting i know i got three seconds but the meeting that we had with the city where we were asked to leave i would love to know it all john van orden said to the city that were allowed to go back in and nobody could ask us questions nobody could make comments i'd like to know what went on why my family had to be bad mouth for so long when all we want to do was be a part of the community almost one hundred years last comment i got to blame well john van orden brian stratton it got to the point thanks so much in legal bills study after study but it got to the point i had no choice i had a son my business i wish the new owners of the business lots of luck i really hope that the city works with them and other businesses i robert sanders morning mayor council president council members i want to talk about i've got a couple things i want to talk about first thing i want to talk about is that public hearing your call is the smoking ordinance because it's almost like the dog ordinance in a way it's just another thing you want to tell us to do i don't smoke i don't do anything of of that nature now and then i have a cigar i'll say that much ok but i don't smoke but it here we are going in central park ok i can see now smoking a cigarette or baseball game or something like that and now you're going to tell us what to do i want to get incarcerate the person that lights up a cigarette in central park ok that's sitting on  i understand why marion voted the way she did because it's just totally ridiculous ok when you go to the park but besides that let's talk about something a little friendly ok the other day i want to schenectady new zealand and i hadn't been there in a while and i went there for a birthday party and i you know i've never been there for a birthday party who would ever think of going to schenectady museum perth or birthday party but i'm gonna jeep her chunky cheese and things like that imagine law i have but i got to tell you this is the place to go for a birthday party you've got a youngster i mean the things they have and you would never imagine a birthday party there but the gentleman that entertain the children eric it was just great and you could just imagine with all the new stuff they have there you know i said myself why was i ever a member here before and you know if anyone's listening this go there bring your children there the room upstairs is ten times the ro anywhere that you know i've been there every place or was paint ball parties everything but they decide the place to be and why that museum doesn't advertise that more i don't know so i want to come here and just tell you that that is the place to have a birthday have to have a birthday party for your child or anything go to school back to the museum have a birthday party by back to what i was saying before is when you think long and hard about this because you know you go to yankee stadium you know you can smoke a cigarette there i see you i understand that your stance sitting next to someone but if you're out in the field maybe you want to designate your area where the person might want to smoke ok but think it's getting out of hand then how do you regulating everything it's almost like mayor bloomberg in new york saying you can't have a sixteen ounce soda i mean you're getting out of control what you're doing here people want to live their lives the way they want to live they want their liberty they want their freedom ok thank you thank you bag in front of his house inside the fence which is about three and a half feet high and the animals get at it this and that so thursday there's pressure all over thursday he takes another garbage bag but still garbage bags by the curb my wife calls up the general services so it's going to take time to get anything done it's going to take time so she got a little disturbed call the mayor's office and i know it was happen from the mayor's office they turned it over to general services which was the same thing i mean i'm dealing with people across the street from me i mean this guy here believe me such an idiot i caught him urinate in front of his house right next to the steps going into the house and a woman up the street saw the same thing and she was going to tell him but she heard me tell so what happens is no one come over thursday no one come over friday it was garbage all over friday saturday somebody pick some garbage up along the street or friday they pick some garbage up along the street saturday was garbage all over the street woke up sunday morning the guard the bags are gone the most to take him some place and the garbage is still on the street i mean we make the phone calls and nothing is done now these people are renting this place now i called on the original owners of this place that when they moved they were putting stuff all week ahead of time and i kept calling the general services and he says don't worry we find these people will find them i'm trying to find out if anything was ever done about these people i mean make the phone calls to trash over to street and he the last time he cleaned it up on tuesday this morning he musta found some garbage cans he put his garbage out in garbage cans this morning and i don't know if he's going to place him alongside the fence or not that i can't guarantee climbing we make the phone calls and nothing is done call on thursday friday saturday sunday so we don't know what else to do and one thing just for a point of information on and after all it's a sings that you just heard you might wonder what is this particular issue has to do with city business and i did say it is everybody's business to care about says i am here to invite you to  and we are still living in times where we have to be concerned about nuclear weapons and so we think that it is a good thing to bring to our minds how absolutely  early childhood memories go back to cities totally in destruction and just picture the city of schenectady being in newborns off after a bombing so much invite you to join us at this imagine having to do sudden death for all the characters number five spoke about this last time liberty park you've ruined it you fix it there's no need be making sixty four eighty four thousand dollars a year to write a grant for this i checked the police blotter today i've done this before and one charge kept coming up and i couldn't believe i didn't know what it was and i ask now there's something new there and it's called obstructing government all administration i don't know where that what section of law pertains to this but i certainly am interested in finding out first of all what they consider the definition of this to be i consider this part of being a police state unless i'm informed and then this business about seniors fifty and losing their home to not being able to pay taxes and other things this is all part of o'boyle therapist so things aren't that happy around here  place that's been available for lease rents for quite some time and now all the new sidings that have been put on it have been ripped off and it's boarded up this is a new reconstruction but now all of a sudden everything's been ripped off boards have been put up and i don't know what they hope for maybe it's some kind of finance  one of the great financial plans around here so i had to say about what some time ago before like after elections i think we all worth it as a community for having refused to vote for the head of the alliance party mr hall and his group which was in his group each and every one of his members in the alliance party were ahead two or three established voting places on the most important the most important words in this community and now something has come up about the county museum it may be the county but it's located in city this is wors summarize please well i won't get started on that day and i will just say having been we have mr mccarthy and we still have the alliance party you can't beat the newspapers and the news and in the newspapers you know they're saying that it happened at joe's bar in schenectady or happy in front of her happened at it and i just want to clarify that the shooting did not happen in front of joe's bar at joe's bart actually happened down fifth in congress which is three to three four hundred feet away and it's actually closer to another bar so i just want to clarify that that the newspapers and you're wearing everything it's i also have a map signed up in matt i need your last name please can you spell it is easy i just came out rich council members mayor force when we approach the police officers who show up they don't want to hear from us they tell us to shut up go home they're very disrespectful they have issues about calling them if you call them and they come for your call why did you call us why you live here i mean the keys to the city is a great program really is but in order to have that tranquility between wanting to move here would it be nice if your police department wanted you miles three thousand dollars so i will come after the city to get my money one way or the other i'm going to get my money this time the false arrests they're going to stop the false you know when somebody is accused of something and and you put them in jail and they spend a night in jail ok i know i know women that somebody said you've done something and they file a false statement and you're found innocent that person should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law including a police officer because it can be done if they're going to file a charge against somebody and they're going to try to make this pick by doing something else they should be reprimanded for at the most and i've been following your civil review board i don't buy it i don't i think it needs to be changed i think as far as the community service federal police do i think they need further training because in their diversity mode you're stuck in one color rainbow right now it's red they don't care they don't care about us they don't care what you think they're making a hundred thousand plus a year they're happy they get to get their cars and they drive to miscue in rotterdam when phil sir told a boston spot albany they don't live near the ones who do live here i praise them and i tell me every time i see him i thank them for their service every time i see him and i know which ones will hurt because i ask or maybe more of us in the community should start asking our police officers what they expect from us as much as we expect from that which is to serve in the work that that's what they get paid the money to do it and dammit that's what they should do thank you very much thank you s before you and ask i know there's a lot of trouble in the city and we know the economy is is really bad but i'm also looking at the state of the minds of the people in their residence that's in our community we're hearing so much now things are they're happening that bad thing that happened in colorado and we just found two young boys and and these days and so there's got to be a mindset here somewhere we notice a lot of frustrated you know a lot of things that are happening but i'm going to ask you know this city in this just these communities that let's find peace but let us pray to your god whatever god that you have for peace in the land today but when other troubles everywhere and therefore it's things are really going bad and we need to find some hope and find some peace and we can find that if we just pray because we need to pray today never cross times as a seem like there's no light at  but truly there is but if we just pray and follow peace with all men and we need to do that and let us come together and reason together because there is one cannot fix it all we all have to fix it and it's true that it takes a village to raise a city even though they say it's a fourth child but we need to come together we need to work together in these times because truly there's a crisis we've got wars and we've got rumors of wars it's going on we have other countries that they're dropping bombs or stuff and kids are playing in fields that are in danger and stuff and we are truly blessed today but we will lose that if we don't have compassion for one another if we don't care about one another we don't care about our children and then because they see us and they really need i don't know what happened to these young these young people that they have lost and the things that they did what they may have they have gone astray but we got to hew to the mind we we've got to be a pope a better example be for them and therefore to encourage them to do right because other than that we're really heading toward a structure some say in that we don't know what tomorrow is going to break but we know who hold tomorrow and they're here and we know that is gone and so i'm just asking in plain when each and every one that you find your secret flaws and that we pray for one another we hold fast to one another and let us help and support one another because negativity will not bring about nothing but if we think positively because everybody has a vision everybody has an idea they love help each other with their idea if our example of mine doesn't come to the table then let me help you with yours if we come to the table if this by choice but we really need to help one another and the city council we really need the is decisions that are made for the comments from the council just simple little reminder there's a recent website that when a six year old now so citizens of schenectady or those who travel and from other parts to schenectady to work can follow tragedy and also i want to send condolences to the families and loved ones of the many people that were affected by in aurora colorado you know i know that's miles miles away but when something like that happens we're all human beings and you know that grief touches touches all of us and also like to encourage people to attend the public hearing about the smoking ban in the park many people have approached me summer for summer against what i say to them is that you have an opportunity to come to the public hearing and to speak for or against whatever it is you know whichever way you like to go some people suggest the designated smoking area but i encourage the public to come to the meetings to say what it is that you know we're not here we don't just sit around the table and think of let's figure all ways to legislate everything so that nobody has any fun that's not our goal so you have an opportunity to come and speak say what it is that you have to say and we would do take this into consideration and make some decisions based on that you know so you know again i tell people come on the thirteenth to the public hearing and then you know let's discuss whatever we hear the public airing and the other thing the only other thing is to keep in mind i think several people have said tonight that we are a community so whatever the issues that we have we should work together to try to resolve them workers and neighbors you know and i believe that we can make it happen i see it happening in other communities right within schenectady so let's just continue to do that thank you thank you  interest it's i think it's a great program and we're seeing some great results out of it so i just wanted to see if you gradually you know look member carthy and and all the people that are participating and the new folks that are moving into the city are buying homes that mentioned it's about perception a lot of it's more or less you know how do you perceive one community and it's is you know better or worse than another community the is a great place to live i mean this week your last friday night was that summer night in downtown i was kind of blown away by the huge crowd that was down there it was just phenomenal i was expecting go down and see a lot of people it was probably three times the size that i was expecting to see everyone has it was having a good time there was so many events for the kids that there was tons of kids around in it just kept walking in there were more and more and more activities for kids like egypt couldn't run out of things to do arts and entertainment museums food venues living in the city is truly a great opportunity for for us the city is not perfect right you know we can't wait until everything is perfect and we have no problems before we start changing those perceptions and inviting people to to live in our community because at the end the day our community is who we are we make up the community so if there's problems  it's us right it's all of us cumulatively the make of this community and so the gentleman was talking about the police department and respect and how he was maybe treated by a police officer and that's a problem it's p being a police officer is customer service and it's the customer service is one of the hardest jobs in the world whether you're a police officer or you're working in a office for the city but it's also mutual respect and so i think there's probably just as many situations where the residents maybe are not showing respect to police officers so it's all of us just have to be more risk bechtol i think those issues will then resolve themselves they will never go away but they will become less and less significant but i just think that in a rambling here but the key to the city programming and is just changing those perceptions of cities is a great place to live as lots of really great things to do here we're not perfect but neither other communities you know we see it all  madam president this week a couple things came to my attention and then i was kind of taken aback by some of it and why i was doing some research i mean i'm concerned about that we renewed over sixty one million dollars and in bans in may which i'm not sure when that happened we're forced polls to vote on it but i know we did twelve million in april and i voted against that but when i look for my vote there's a problem with the april ninth ninth minutes and city clerk is going to take care of that amend them but there was three roll call votes that night and they don't reflect in the minutes as a matter of fact tonight we don't even have minutes i'm not sure what's going on here that's the official record here in port a field was a point on april ninth that doesn't show in the minutes of april night so they have to be amended but my vote i heard a lot to my vote and one of the speakers said tonight that the city council approved five hundred thousand dollars two weeks ago while i was one that voted no on and i hope the reflex in the in the record because i take my f responsibilities very to heart and it's kind of disheartening to see that maybe there's mistakes can be made i understand that but the voting record is all we have when we fall that's what we have that's what our voting record is and it's important that's sold noted but i am concerned about the kind of money that we're we're bonding i mean our total debt right now is over one hundred million so that's why i'm voting no on a lot of these projects i'll explain it again because i think we have to get our arms around this stuff it's just it's staggering is what it is when i see things like that these figures i don't know what else to say and like this i was caught by surprise by this sixty one million dollars i don't know if any of us everything anybody else have seen this but i have not until the other day and i'm not sure when that happened what our part was supposed to approve this ordinance for that kind of money maybe i'm wrong about this but i'm not sure when it happened i don't know what you're referring to mr ickes and i you have a look at it that well ok well then you don't know about it either then obviously but it has i don't know any met a lady today from the pennsylvania avenue area who's had been having major problems lately criminal problems and she had a home invasion also these are the things that we have to get our arms around you know the keys to the city it's great i agree with councilman erickson you know it's a great program it's great but we have people in fear living in fear and we can have that we have to start having a program to put an end to this nonsense again use the word zero tolerance because that's what we need when somebody is pushing down someone's door of a sixty year old lady and then she gets beat up by a couple young fogs that somebody else sent to be to rob her car was keyed she had a tire punctured this stuff is it's it's terrorism is what it is and that's exactly what it is we can't have people living like that in the city i don't know what else to say but it's very disturbing it's disturbing to me and it should be disturbing to everyone and i'm sure it is so again i'll ask for you know we i would like again to ask for a comprehensive plan to start getting a handle on these quality of life issues the things i talked about the last meeting you know the letter i agree with the letter it's bothersome our city is dirty i followed a truck some picker this morning bellevue was garbage day was today as i was taking my walk no tarp on the truck i couldn't get his license number stuff falling all over the road this is what goes on you know why because there doesn't seem to be any penalty for it that's why that's the thing you know i understand them to support a field was talking about the dog law but we have to have some tunnel tea so people get the message that's what penalties are for when you disobeyed the law there's a penalty for i understand that i think everybody understands that so i just i'm frustrated about the things that are going on and talking to people that are having these problems and it really they're good citizens you know the good citizens want to live in peace and i think we have to really do what we can and go all out to to get a handle on this stuff i have all the information i'll forward it to you mayor about this lady but it's frightening to hear these things that people have to in that she's still being expect them to rise above that i expect them to command a level of respect and deliver a level of service that justifies their position in the city so again the two individuals talked about the shooting if they have not been interviewed by the police i would ask  you give your names to the commissioner going to make sure that all that information is followed up on in that we do the appropriate investigation again the key to the city we're going to have our next open house this sunday we're going to kick it off  the rose garden again featuring the great venue of central park and hope that the members of council may be old to join us at noon and so going it's a program where we continue to grow to look for something in your feeling that you're not respected by the police or vice versa and you have information on incidents that happened within the city please make sure that you follow throw at us as a citizen and either it be with the commissioner the mayor's office myself as chair of public safety we do need to get a handle on what's going on in the city is going to but we can't do that without individuals who aren't willing to put themselves out a little bit and come forward and talk about what they've seen or what they know and i can understand being discouraged if you're getting a bad reception however you need to follow through with this because there is no way that  a police force or a city council or one commissioner or one chief can make the city of skanky safer for all of us and our families i mean it really does it reduce is the responsibility of those citizens of the city as connect easy thing to do absolutely not but if it was easy we wouldn't be having these problems so again i urge citizens out there people out there who are adding issues to let someone know about it so it can be taken care of don't take it for granted that somehow it comes to us in the middle of the night and somehow we know about it because we don't but we all do work here we all do come here every week and throughout the week talk to people on the telephones meet with people there's a reason that we do this and i do want to thank everybody for coming tonight and giving us your comments that's how we find these things out but again please follow through on your own with a lot of these issues we are going to adjourn to be early says the meeting tonight until wednesday night so i would ask for a motion to recess council member or ricky is and seconded by mr erickson have a good night everybody