main line that goes along nineteen  roughly nine hundred feet be i mean that was one of our concerns too as to how far back and into the hill that their communities are going to put a four foot wall and then five more feet and then another wall is that correct is all you're going to do that yes when you ask about all the trees that are there right now we're just concerned about you know being up there and taking a lot of that land out of there and just having  trees and i'm very grateful about the lighting system because they're lighting is very good because you know and that's just where we live and we accept that but i mean the shopping center over there where allegheny health network is that's great too but then the you know the and the car dealership i mean there but that old fashioned really really bright lights and it's amazing i mean i don't need night late at night i mean you know we were going to the jeep dealership and then i think they put another know the plan it looks a lot better than it did last time ok and i think they addressed the majority of our issues that we brought up but i do have a couple questions and maybe the engineers here could answer you know it's really only four feet high because two feet of it's in the ground so that's why our corn was one of the pines were so small ok and we like to get is taller trees it was possible once again to you know cleaning staff recommendations are six of them and i'm going to add three number seven will be the rear property line along the neighboring residences  stick prior to construction and number eight would be the trees that remain along the body proper line be identified which will remain and number nine t to pick up that small motor so that it gets at least somewhat detained and spread out before it goes down into the into the driveway the neighbor as it goes now gave way the next thing dumpster we really don't need a dumpster on this site there's not going to be the kind of volume we're size refuse that would warrant constructing a dumpster enclosure and putting a dumpster in there and everything can be handled by a standard trash can and indicate if we don't need a dumpster we don't need one in and er property to give offer to good news is or to two pieces of property that we will use we want him to use the graves that are existing there to do as best we could to accommodate a road and that so that would include the down the road and also the improvements that are necessary at mcmurray road and up the center church who will go over the movie business or are quite unique but i do want to tell you  formal difference so it was kind of unique is what we're did we're thing about developing is that you love our parking lot up here to the north side of the building you would enter the building on the top level and then as you cascade through the building this section here of the doing is three stories but the top floor is workable with the parking lot ok so you're actually going down two more levels and then you can come out of the building and do as we did the our initial analysis it's just a single lane in each direction but at each of those access points that we're talking about who have turn links to go into the site it doesn't have to be a four lane road or five lane road i mean  i think after discussions with council we're looking at the main entrance down at the bottom there on mcmurry road being another traffic signal with left turn lanes in a right turn lane into the shared access road and then even at the top of the property where it comes out onto center church road by the actual church up at the top of the hill there we're talking about realigning the road because it's pretty sharp curve it goes around a curve there and you really can't fix it because there's a big you know one of those towers are right there on that corner there we're talking about taking the road instead of bringing in a curve we're going to tee it up and actually center church a come up to the top and see in turn and the straight through movement will be actually to continue on this road so it's a public road it's open all the time  we did that on purpose i mean some people you know during rush hour when they come down center church road to the un signalized mcmurry center church there are a number of cars there it's hard to get out because it's you know rush hour five o'clock  people an option they'll be able to drive through the entire site and come down to a traffic light at mcmurray right now one of the things that we didn't do you can see that there is not an entrance now shown on center church road from the back of the school we started looking that  initially that was in the the initial concepts that we looked at having that truck you are right there having that traffic come in and out there just sense traffic down the on signalize legace center church mcmurray overloads that intersection and we can't put another intercity  be difficult to put another light that close there's a slight distance issue coming over the crest of that hill so we just thought to be better hey there's going be another light on that mari has some separation out there roughly two hundred feet away from the signal at center church and having a full blown turn lanes in each direction and turn lanes on the side that intersection would be signalized and that's what you don't how today i mean the problems today with the entrance is it's two entrances that's great but there's absolutely no turn lanes on mcmurry road there's no traffic you know police or whoever is out there trying to direct traffic and then the other problem is isn't it i know soon as you turn into the high school the driveways and things going on a mediately should go in and so this i mean look we're going to have at least i think we talked about at least a minimum of three hundred to four hundred feet from mcmurray road before we even have a first interior intersection and if you go back to that in right now what you're looking at that's simply a cartoon drawn as just a footprint to show what around about looks like i mean it's not going to be mean there's design flares and angles that go into this i was just laying out conceptually you know footprint basically  it be like we don't like that it doesn't work maybe that's not the right situation i mean you know from a from a traffic analysis standpoint on paper they both work great levels of service level of service see overall for build something with a traffic light it's almost always going to start out at a b or c just because i mean there's traffic level of service see that mean you're waiting  left twenty three making a right the peak in the afternoon which is four forty five five forty five there's forty two people coming down the make allow fifty nine people coming down making a right so it's kind of i mean they needed there's traffic but we're not factor to account for the additional ninety or so student parking spaces so we took their existing volumes over there today and grew them by another ninety students coming in and now and you can you know you get your traffic numbers you so in the morning everyone coming in the morning at school dismissal not everybody is leaving at the same time you do have a number of kids that stay behind for afterschool activities and things like the mornings the big number crunch  i mean just to give you some perspective we're forecasting it's nine hundred eighty two total trips in the morning six hundred thirteen these are our numbers one hundred eighty two morning am peak hour trips six hundred thirteen school peak our trips at this at this missile time for an hour and then three hundred twenty eight that's four forty five five forty five hour there's still that much traffic coming out of school so you can see it's a lot nine hundred in the front and six hundred some in the dismissal of the other two to three hundred  fact i mean but i got to go through the numbers and because we did count from six am to nine and then two to six o'clock you with that's the analysis we only look at the peak hours in each of those slices i mean but there's i have the mcmurry heading east you know that could keep potentially a thousand feet that's the existing traffic like the proposed traffic light that we're talking about in the analysis that the signal eastbound would back up four hundred feet that's the ninety fifth percentile q so it's like your highest right and and these numbers that i'm thrown out of these three hundred feet i've actually we actually took what's called the peak hour factor and basically that looks for variation or flow so if i tell you this many cars in an hour you know average you average over an hour but if you adjust this peak hour factor you can have the traffic become more intense kind of like it is in the field out there for that twenty thirty minutes so i use the lower peak hour factor in all this analysis to account for hey yeah it might be x number of cars turning left in the school but they're all coming in fifteen twenty twenty you know it's not really spread out over an hour it's a lot more intense so that's why these numbers as i'm saying what i'm spitting are three hundred three hundred fifty feet that's going to happen like one or two cycles and that worse fifteen minutes once it's gone it's gone helpful in providing a map of where all the students are laid out in the township and we broke it down by route so we roughly fifteen percent would be up from that would be the north west portion of the township up often one thousand up in that way that and like i said right like turning lanes or roundabout there's going to be queuing even with a roundabout it's not a magic bullet that just breaks traffic disappear you'd be talking similar types of average delays similar types of queuing for around about the key w it's the hillside so i mean you're going to be having to contend with so some of the traffic coming features that we look at are going to have to be balanced with you know what grades these roads are going to be coming up and so you know in some point i think that as the road goes township side is actually going to do and you know right now conceptually there are some access points laid out some of them the way they're staggered probably are the most optimal for traffic so we're still going to work out on we don't want we don't want to offset to the point whe trying to turn over top of each other so we still have a little bit of work to do a school district of is much farther along on the building in the parking lot layouts on the road layout so i think we need to go back to the folks look at the township side and talk about a case that road need to be there be there for eight hours a when there would have been because there was going to be there was talk about having an entrance back there cross from club view but that's not on the table right now as it is long as they're not proposing that entrance right across from club view i don't think you're going to see this i mean there may be more traffic going up there but it's there's no access point that's not on the shortest way to get the somewhere maybe some people coming on mcmurray might turn up search church to get to the student wants that are coming down to  church the on signalized part to mcmurray it's hard making a left and right there even with how wide it is there to you know there's just so much traffic on mcmurray if somebody wanted to put a traffic light there that's fine i mean that would be the improvement to keep traffic moving is to put a traffic light there or give another development or they put an access up on center church like a like across from club yeah then then we would be talking about you're going to tract enough traffic that maybe we should be doing some turn lanes and a right turn lane on the center of church road as there's not a primary access or even access which is not shown right now as long as it's not an access there on that part a center church road we're not seeing it is a major generator for additional tra come in the other direction there's already a left turn lane to come off mcmurry to turn up center church so that's already there so if we do have some students coming from that direction making that want to go all the way up center church to the top and come across and come back and and i have a couple questions for the developer here which is the school board i'm assuming the school board does not work for peters township ok school board's traffic engineer my ok who's the township traffic engineer and like to know my ok there's definitely a conflict of interest here you see it you're asking questions to the developer in the townships engineers answering i have a problem with that because in the plans that i store tonight the traffic signal is going to cost you twice as much as  probably being proposed here there should be pedestrian access sidewalks on road the new road that's going to cost us residents probably twice the money that they're estimating because if you put sidewalks that you would think you'd want sidewards with a park on one side in the school on the other i drive every day i know they're going to be turning lines needed from that road into the school which is going to widen the road you're going to have a close drainage system and it's going to double the cost of the road and all the traffic that's heading on senate church road is going to be shifted to that new ro so you have a lot more traffic in front of the school just like you have today from the school you drive in from the school today you see kids walking to the school on it there's no sidewalks there so everything we do is traffic engineers today is putting the pedestrian first i noticed that the signal that was showing up there there weren't any pedestrian indications people will walk and ride their bikes on the road to get to the park so i'm very concerned the biggest thing is that residents here and all due respect to the engineer and  his professionalism has a conflict of interest here that's why you can't have developers engineers working in townships engineers have you would get my question would be who is going to review his traffic study and who's going to review the results of the of the traffic analyses and the number of lanes that are required can't be can't be missed to marjorie so i'm bringing that up because i am  traffic engineer and i'm a resident in this town and i'm concerned i'm really concerned about the way it is being pushed through because i know a few years ago there was a there was a poll out in the residence to build a new school and i think eighty eight percent that's another story it's not for this planning treat for you guys but i just want to bring that up and for the record ok so i think it's a serious concern that we should be a debate discussion on to have a lot of back and forth you can have a lot of this is just going to between the fields that they're proposing that the events that go on between whether it be swimmers or just just the you know they're moving on with their side and townships moving on on their side so i made it so if somebody has a doubt yeah i fully think that we should check with the solicitor and find out if he thinks it is and if he does i mean the township does have a gateway engineers as