at seven fifteen we have a guest mark morris a business manager from the southeastern regional vocation vocational technical school to talk about the budget their budget at seven thirty five we have an advertised public hearing from our suitable or animal at eight fifteen we are continuing the discussions for the item of entertainment licenses in the identification agreements to some of the stadium events at eight twenty five we're going to  discuss the goals of the race ino committee appoint members at eight forty we're going to be discussing with kevin and actually randy's not here today right now school ok if the fiscal year fourteen operating budget you know you know time meeting warrant review at eight fifty five the item on the agenda is the oak street property legal opinion and at nine o five we're going to enter into executive session executive session for two reasons one to go see a show with nonunion personnel and then review the executive session minutes that we have on file so and then we have a bunch of action item lists so the rain lead us  just before we go into citizens input i just wanted to ask from moment of you time for a silent meditation for robert graham robert was an air force army air force veteran of world war one i recently passed but for almost sixty years he was a mechanical engineer for the foxboro company for about thirty years until his retirement was a trustee director of the foxboro savings bank one of the original members president and member of the foxboro historic society for thirty years so if we can just have a few more one moment of silent meditation for robert we've got two more meetings before april thirtieth which is the election and i remember last year when we did our tom manages review it was after the election and members had changed and one of the items that we talked about last year was is it fair to have new members evaluate the top manager when they haven't worked with him before and perhaps a member that is no longer on the board not be able to review somebody that's he's worked with all year so this two meetings evaluation completion of the quarterly reports and a list of completed and status of the ongoing projects from our goals and objectives and that would discuss that at the april second you'd be prepared with a draft of your own evaluation if you remember we did our time manager evaluation forms that are now part of kevin's contract i'm going to ask loriene as the clerk to make sure everyone has that for april second and fill it out hold it as draft and then also the spread sheet of last year's goals and objectives so we'll listen to kevin's self evaluation have that in mind and then we'll come back on april sixteenth two weeks later and will do his valuation and i think that's the fair fairest to kevin and again this is this issue came up last year was it is it fair to do kevin's evaluation in public in and in and i think we absolutely have to sometimes it's uncomfortable but he's a public employee and it's actually part of your contract to have the board about your weight and it doesn't meet the requirements to do it in executive session so i just want to case people some of the new members are uncomfortable that's why we're doing it in public is that make sense kevin for your schedule that second in the sixteenth we'll have everybody's ok and then what we did last year i could i was the one that compiled it i had everybody's individual and then i took the time put it all together and then did a rating system a weighted ready so it's you know one through five and that's where it  l goals and objectives i wanted to start in may starting fresh with reviewing the existing goals and objectives so we're not going to do that before abel thirtieth but in may put that on the agenda for  following year so when you get the goals and objectives for kevin's review keep that in mind if you want to strike anything or add things in you'll also have an update from kevin on where we stand on all the with the ad com members and frank to kind of talk about things we could do better for meeting wanted articles the way that they're listed and all that good stuff somebody emailed me back and for the life of me i can't remember who was did you want to do that as well so can you reach out to probably larry larry you were at that meeting right yes in and find out a time that works with kevin myself lorraine frank and whoever else is going to be on the  comp to two other items in the kind of related at the beginning of the year we talked about going into putting together policy for reporting child abuse and i know it started and i want to expedite that and i wanted a board member to kind of jump on that and work with cabin and send in put things together and i was going to see i know you had some ideas and some literature that you sent over and sent it lorraine had already had discussions with kevin again so ok the guy you want to ask i got two things from think we've got a template we could use in a down ok so would you mind working with kevin to put a goal of my may first gives us a month and a half to kind of put the draft and then we can bring it back to the board i think that's important i just don't want that to lag behind we're actually going to discuss it a draft tomorrow with the department head meeting so once that gets amended and i should have something to send to it probably next week to look at ok it will be much sooner than may first in this is just to remind everybody this is for the non mandated there are certain employees of the town that i mandated through the schools but this is for the kind of a group that doesn't have a mandate to do that in the last issue the sheehan issue we met on february twenty six with the police chief in there really to kind of get an update and i think a month has gone by we can put them on the docket for april second that would be a little over a month to get a refresher an update of where they are executive but she asked if i could read this regard to some of the yvonne requests for volunteers for any resident is interested in being part of the medical reserve corps or future community emergency response team foxborough citizens corp is looking for volunteers for these emergency preparedness response groups you do not have to be a medical professional profession to be involved too free classes are coming up next month the first one is monday april first and the second one is monday april eight dot org you can register right on there or call the health department at five hundred three twelve o seven and that's one group that was very instrumental working with the police chief the fire chief the time manager all of breakdown of our budget if you look at the foundation budget is made up of three parts of the state eight being thirteen million four seventy three seven thirty five local assessments being seven million three forty two six sixty two in the all know based on the state law should be funded one hundred percent but unfortunately it's never been funded by the state so my one word there is or looks because if you do see a state reps legislators let them know that it's regional transportation for regional should be funded under percent because that again does affect the community so with our transition costs being one million to sixty six to fifty five the state aid being six hundred seventy six thousand that means the difference being assessed to the communities of five hundred ninety thousand see our capital costs so as you're aware we have the building project that's in place right now and that is for thirty six thousand three twenty five with two hundred forty four thousand to twenty five come from access and efficiency and the local assessment that in there for capital every year at one hundred ninety two thousand to the communities below that you'll see the first line being the esko pain which is outside of operating budget after the three years if you recall about four years ago the school was in a position where we're going to have to build a wastewater treatment plant on a property and we had a town order to do that we entered in an energy contract with we were able to reduce our water consumption and lift that been so that we did not have to build the way toward a true put on the school in turn for the first three years were allowed to charge that cost our capital budget and it's repeated voted to do that for three years been the fourth year has to come outside of the capital budget so that i mean out of the operating budget and being capital so the total cost is two hundred fifty thousand three sixty eight in a school committee has voted to pick up two thirds of that cost assessing one third to the communities eighty five property versus the two hundred fifty thousand it's costing us and also this year for the first time in july chapter forty section s thirteen b was passed that allows the school committee to  vote a reserve fund to pay for compensated liabilities to employees when they retire so we had in our audit a liability that was done of roughly a hundred forty nine thousand dollars would be our cost in life billion any one year everybody has to retire and take nine and if you go to the most left side and you know and what's on the bottom half their you're across foxwoods assessment is the down seventy six thousand six hundred seventy eight dollars from last year so f y going down so that's a that's a huge factor that will affect the assessments and rome as a percentage of the community as i also mentioned is also slightly down from one point three nine point nine percent in rome as a percentage of the school district again is down from is there any town that was above contribution their mineral contribution target share would be brought down to where they should be at any time it was below their contribution our share would be brought up to where they should be doing i want you to take into effect is the governor's and that also affects your contribution to come down so if you just look at page on the left hand side highlighted in yellow is your target ship if the part of education of government  determines if you go to the right in the first highlighted yellow is what you actually paid twenty million sixty six so that means your loved talking here so in the governor's proposal he'd be bringing you down to the twenty million one twenty two eight forty seven and that's can't say for sure i would see that there's a decline across the board i think it's just the school age population decline that it sticks out if you look at the nine communities  earned roman dropped forty one percent which is well above everybody else for that sout the fact that we drop forty one percent it's not that we're the applications are going in and said they're not being accepted again when i don't we don't when they take in the application it's a blind application process so we don't know where the and in that we can verify this later but even though the the the student population goes up and they are the same wave i figured with the numbers that i had from revision a woman going back to i think it was twenty but it's a nice report to have here but you know things are going up but but the spending of southeastern conservative and i think very well well managed to if you ever if you put it towards other school i remember him saying you know the prices should go up but he really coming to us to ask us for an increase and what they said is they went back implemented savings they they change the bus routes so they change the hours and the teachers do different things into place where any new employee part time comes and how the split has been changed from most seventy thirty to sixty five thirty five so we shipped in some of that burden on to the employee as well we are in the gateway consortium for health insurance so this year we're seeing in a modest compared patches a three point five percent increase in health insurance compared to past years because in the past with plymouth county and in total we've saved over the last roughly nine years now that  continue to operate on incredibly efficient margins there's fleet maintenance is better than anyone or simply added the innovations they've made as a member of the gateway health group a pretty widely known and we actually watch what they do and learn from them and try to copy some both when they do we may have some wiggles for you guys to look at all right but they're just innovative across the board in the work they did in the roof recently that you proved  you know by using their own surplus to leverage the state money is just another indication of how they do their work although it looks a little tough over there right now with the renovation project ordinarily when you go in that school it is absolutely sparkling from a physical point of view there is no school around the can compare to them it really is remarkable and the board hasn't had an opportunity over there they have a wonderful open house every year that you should take advantage of because this really is a this is a real  election in november that went uncontested and and so i stepped into it for that but mark and the principle move also worked with us here in foxboro we have a member of the community who has a foundation he's going to work with the vote tech school to help make some senior projects and do some motivational speaking based on his past a professional experiences and his new entrepreneurial ventures and then i work for a company here in tone that is opening up its doors to in the last few months we've decided to help out with a co op program at our company remarkable place in the students are mind blowing good good to hear your questions on the board is there anyone in the audience that had a question mark thank you very much  minute or so early from a public might as well so you want to come up to the table move just wait a minute to start f the board of selectmen percent to mass general watch chapter one forty subsection one fifty seven will conduct a public hearing on tuesday march nineteenth two thousand and thirteen at seven thirty five p m in the entryway college junior meeting room town hall forty south street foxboro massachusetts to consider the restraint or disposal of a bull mastiff from the town of fox the dog is owned by david and donna seaman thirty fairway lane foxboro massachusetts interested parties are invited to attend and then you you also have a recommendation on here as well i do and that recommendation is to to move this be muzzled when when walk on the property of the syrians are in agreement with this i did issue  interim order and i'm presenting here to be with a rich nation if you make it permanent we have new chapter one forty laws have been updated you're now required to you would decide whether to call the dog dangerous and if you did that you choose from a man and number three would be to muzzle the dog so you no longer have the option of writing report here i'll just say we did get a basket muscle for rufus at end of the custom made given the shape of the shortness of the moment but it was delivered today so we'll take a couple days to introduce it to him always put on two collars and two leashes you know it's like belt and suspenders kind of things and that's been he's been very it made a boulder that receptive to it so i'll just continue that practice also now the circumstances are bad and he should not do what he did but i think i can handle it with the muscle that's an extra layer of of his nose up the door but typically doesn't leave the threshold in those instances so i would just caution to make sure that the dog bites i would really be the dog or the board so just if you could be very careful about that i understand your question i mean living residing on the street in the neighborhood has the feeling plus are two side streets and there are young children around so that was one of my concerns but if the muzzling is permanent with the short leash if you feel comfortable with this  routine is as i walk down the driveway if i see people walking coming down the street just you know to your turn go back and walk in the back yard or something if we heard around the walk  of the owner or the premises of the person treating the dog the dog should be securely and humanely muzzled and restrained with a chain or other tethering device having a minimum tensile strength of three hundred pounds and not exceeding three feet in length is meeting minutes from february twenty six paragraph i want to add that i had said at the time and had a requirement that the employee mean in the town employee after a the ninth paragraph it says peter peons bus service to logan airport that was what i  there we have an item for the petition for a joint pull for four identical co location with a map in a section of belcher road process that we're in similar to one that was undertaken a few years ago with the high school is controlled under the m s b a's guidelines so there's a number of steps that have to go through for us to even submit a an application to the state for funding for project the obviously the main steps involved were originally to do a initial kind of review of the facility so we're talking about the  it's forty six years old the town has done what i would say was a good job of maintaining the facility we have done roof work ten years ago we did repairs to the itself about five years ago we did some a specimen event this last summer we repaved of the entire parking lot recurved it but obviously because of the structural issues relative to the roof and the leakage and the dating of the heating systems windows lighting pretty much all the mechanicals throughout the building it didn't make a lot of sense for the school to go and just do the roof because that that's not the only issue here and again if we did in our own  the town would be a hundred percent of that versus trying to go for reimbursement on the state level the project obviously entails a number of issues but you know as i said the structural part of the building so much of the high school is actually in very good shape the block throughout the building that are starting to create some issues that obviously based on the age of the roof you really don't have another chance to go back up there and try to replace and rebadge it it's really a matter of replacing the entire surface there also is damage underneath the roof because it leaks and again when you take the entire roof off you can repair any of those damaged steel structures or insulation issues that you would go through windows again all single pane just like they were in the high school so obviously  scale you're opening up the ceilings and a lot of it's you know sprayed on insulation that has to be stripped out there is still some floor especially this needs to be removed a little bit of piping specimen needs to be removed heating  systems we had reviewed this last fall while the technicians felt that they could get through this year really said that we will be lucky to get much you know further in the next year or so again it's original so it's no surprise forty six year old facility i compliant when i literally walk through the bathrooms i know i'm a big guy but i walk to the bathrooms in the classrooms themselves shoulder to shoulder my door at the doorways so obviously you could never get a child in there with a with a you know and have situation we did have a situation with a some of the young girl who had an issue and the only way they could really maintain that was to to put on a special opening for the door the door itself is only twenty inches wide to the game bathrooms so again i don't meet any  kindest current code so we would have to obviously do some significant work on the bathrooms to bring them up to coach structure but again it's all doable within the structure of the building we feel one of the issues that the town accepted a number of years ago through the state grants was to go to full time kindergarten and one of the issues that created which you know we is one of the reasons on our elementary level that we are using bait virtually all of our classroom space and have session for each one of those so as an example at the barrel school we run three full day sessions that would have been a class and a half effectively in the past so we lost space within the building it is the only elementary school that we do not have a full computer lab which means any class that is going for instruction has to be split half time into their half into the library and then flip you know to give the kids the opportunity to be into that that program which is also a secondary problem that's going to be creating is under the new park exams that are coming up very quickly here they are a system exam and stead of a paper exam so they're really looking for us to be able to put children in large groups in front of computers to do that and obviously a full lab that's going to be somewhat of a problem going forward so in this whole process has i said when i started this is a number of steps you need to go through i think the school's been discussed for years i know i heard  you talk about the other day at the c f p thing it's nothing new we know it's a process that they had to go through but obviously what we were trying to or will try to achieve is the maximum i must be a pool because obviously at forty nine percent committee voted to approve that in the exact wording that's in this way up they're going to give to you again very similar to what was done in the high school level the second step is that the board select and also have to approve reality is and this is not a great reality right now but the reality is that they normally get over two hundred request in any given year and they're lucky if they can satisfy forty to fifty you know and there are schools that i've already heard that obviously have what they're calling dire needs and that's where structural failure has occurred and obviously they're going to be moved higher on the ladder than that a town that's trying to upgrade and hance its systems and improve its roofing and stuff like that so it's  really just getting yourself inside the queue for the first time it could take you know could take years quite honestly get to the top of the queue and they do give you credit for at least being in the queue so it's important that you get in as quickly as you can but you know again just getting into it is no guarantee at all actually see and hear in the final wording on this that the m b a basically says it's making your business as to where you'll end up and how this you know the funding will be and when the funding will be and then what that you know so that not only your board but the school board you know understand that this is just a process and you know by doing this you're doing nothing more than getting yourself in the queue so you know what we're here basically to do is is to again request that the the board of selectmen allow this project to go forward into the m a speech q and then you know continue with the process we did use school money at the end of last year to hire  a engineer just to highlight the major areas of concerns that we have so again that they could fill up the statement of interest for several go through the process that's done so we were kind of going along the lines of what we need to do and again so the statement of interest that was done that's done already based on the the efforts he did from the budget and that's ready to go right in this basically this wording as i said highlights the major areas as it's written within the statement of interest in the requirements of the statement interest so there are seven different categories of which you can qualify under and as you can see we're qualifying under category five categories seven  and you know one is obviously the miners ation and you know the side of the building and the other one is dealing with program you know requirements the one of the program requirements on our site at this point is really the fact that also on the preschool level preschool in all of our elementary were built none of them had the preschool requirement which is really a special ed program it's designed to bring in on early intervention  so that they can obviously hopefully move and advance force of by the time they get to pre k that they're more capable of being in the mainstream process it also requires that we have almost a one to one standard appears to be within the program as well so the classroom sizes are really dictated by the program size plus fifty percent plus one hundred percent actually so the building in one of the classrooms within the  the taylor or the i go are really the right size for the type of construction that you need to do within those in the type of therapy said you need to have available within the classroom so part of our recommendation is that we would add t classrooms to the left side of the building as you face it from the front it actually when you look at the design from an overhead point of view the building was built with a wing that came out on one side with three additional classrooms and on the back side those three classrooms were in it didn't exist so it actually from a point of functionality would work extremely well to put the two there it also brings the building just a little bit closer to the area in which the pre k is brought an end from the school so it wouldn't encroach on the the the separate entrance way we have for that part of the building as well and we own plenty of property on that side it's not there's not a constraint issue i actually looked at it with the bill casper only pull off plans out and there is no you know no zoning issues or anything of that nature that would be a problem so your recommendation basically is to to add two classrooms to fully renovate this building and bring it up to current codes you know to also include you know far suppression systems as far as arms and stuff which are very integrated at this point in time and again all the other things i mentioned would doors windows lighting he systems in terms of the two additional classrooms it's also important to know that we currently provide some of the therapies for those preschoolers which is occupational therapy physical therapy in the hallway so that's really not a great idea so if we were to be able to have two good sized preschool spaces that actually met the guidelines for early childhood classrooms then we could use one of the existing small spaces for their bees so that can be it's only not a good idea it's also safety issue in some cases  education early childhood special education program where we have to go in into the community really and find children who may have not read our early intervention or who may be showing some signs of a disability or other diagnosis that early intervention could assist with their early education so once those once we know who students are coming into a program then to make it a really great viable program best practice is that you have peers in the community who don't have those disabilities or issues so that they have role models that are their peers so that's that's why people in the community and the children up for that preschool but so they may be there the population preschool is one of the two either a child who has identified disability who need some  early intervention or a what we call open age there period group there so it's a really wonderful program that every every school district has one because that is the law that we provide that but we were not required by law to provide a generic preschool program that you may see that other agencies or the y you know what i would say a more generic for the general population we are required to have a preschool for early intervention for students to spring you know more parents time to go to kindergarten you go to your home school so it is hard when your child little you get acclimated to one building and learn to love it but that's just where the school is so is the girls school subject brizard tied  after putting extra classrooms in there is going to bring the student population up no student population basically stays the same it's against the the fact that we reallocated room space because of adding programs  full day so you know whereas before we may have had ten sections but let's translate that into a minute p m like in the good old days like way back when you would have had maybe five or six classes that are sharing this space so you have an a going to say oh if it's not working you know to fix it well and again we've always had this property sits on twenty two acres i guess my my assumption would be if we have a problem with the septic system we would like to include this project get it done so yes we would obviously be viewing it at the exact same time as part of the program just to make sure that we don't have an issue but if there is one it would be included in the program to be pursued you know to be rectified i do think we have the room on the property if we need to expand of equipment there movement activity so it doesn't matter which persons which agencies you know criteria are going by are the rooms are not large enough to accommodate what should be a quality size for a preschool program so we would definitely put the the two of the three priest kate preschool programs in the newer rooms that are going to be a little bit larger we do have a third preschool classroom but it's a small group of kids with a more intensive program in factor that we did take very good kind of gave us some extra points during the intervening because we have taken such great care of the building itself so that probably maybe come into play or not  it's forty six it's older then right you know it's in their original rounds they actually gave you waiting points towards that right now they have shifted their waiting points more in the direction of doing work on a new schools that match an existing design so in other words if we were going to rid the world down and build a new one and we were willing to accept their model school design they would give us additional points to kind of encourage us to do rather than go out and build our own design and go through the process they're still supposed to give you credit when you don't you know as far as how you get into the line and the fact that you've done a good job right should help you there but i they're not giving as much on the point structure the gallon and a half toilets as opposed to what they use there now so this also what would help in the long term what surprised me in the report was there was no mention of the  seismic could be a problem there in terms of the size of the building the cross bracing the steel above but it's a gypsum deck that causes other kinds of issues and some share walls within the building well these can be lost within the building without too much of a hassle but there was a cost to it and i didn't see it in the preview of the report and i think we need to him the only thing i'm wondering in terms of a real question though is thirty five thousand was put out there for the c h p committee was strictly to bring it up for first time because until such time as the state approves this application there's no need for that money we're not we're not going to go forward start designing plans or do any kind of development work but again it was more you know as a kind of notification that we feel this will be coming at some point in time and we don't want to be the first time it doesn't the scene as a as a surprise so well the only problem with it is if it is two hundred thirty five for pulmonary design development kind of thing were to bottle an eleven million dollar building which i don't think it was the direction that we're moving and i think on that basis you may want to look at that to thirty five down the road i see a number of seventy eighty thousand marks or this preliminary kind of thing so i didn't want to get it too inflated because we're all aware of that  school problem which leads me to the last question you you have a an agreement with the k b yeah but you didn't go through any of the process that the state requires the designer selection school and so on which i'm not elaborate the seedling of the question is should we look at that very seriously and make sure that the estimates and the work that we're doing is professional  in the level of performance that's all up my concern is thank you thank you to just to just to address that we we don't have an agreement with k p on the next step on this at all the initial thing was under the requirement for going we don't have a proposal because i was in we don't know everything at that point but that two hundred thirty five also at that point would have to include the owners project manager cost and you know at this initial phase i have gotten approval already from the a g s office i did the same thing on the library project that we did not need to have an opium on line at this stage because we're we are so far in front of the actual design or you know we farm it's that way so this is strictly you know an informational based application it is not a program that's actually being proposed and then you get to the second phase which is what dick is talking about you actually you know being a program which would highlight the pre k rooms and how they're laid out in their design and usage and all of that so at this point i believe we're we're well within our you know duties as far as doing this on a proper basis but we're not anywhere near that that second number as to how real it is and and you know what the requirements are and again bill you've already done that effort you put the stuff together it's just you're looking for you know just already to just move it forward right now did you say the school committee voted on it or they need to vote oh they voted already that's one of the and that's you know the game when they open this thing up they opened it up the beginning of january they they warn you right in front you've got a very short timeline because of all the votes that have to be taken from guys yeah i literally have this exact document needs to be in your minutes  exactly the way it was last time with the vote i need a copy of that seven minutes back so i have to has to be after you approve it and your next meeting certified by the town clerk and in my final step is before the tenth of april i've got to have all those things into the state so you know we've been kind of fighting the timeline here trying to hear everything done but so the statement of interest on february twenty fifth that's not this that's it said that's a little document that has you know the rest of the break seventy percent you can you know obviously i don't see that we would be dropping at this point i'm not sure that we are also gaining because these are far worse off than we are as far as i ne insurance in place which insures the town against claims that would arise out of the conduct of the police off for detailed to provide security or what is now in place following many many weeks of on discussion between our council bushell council becomes full for the craft organization is that we haven't done that occasion agreements that are in place in our signed and they are actually here in the office signed approved however we do not yet have insurance in place that continues to be negotiated and while i am quite optimistic that we will achieve that we don't have it as of tonight and we will not have it by the twenty fifth of march when your previous contingent motion expires so what this motion does it licenses the five concerts removes the continue the contingency from them for cation agreement and says plainly that is now agreed but continues the contingency for the insurance to be negotiated in place in provides all the way to june thirtieth for that event to occur rather than have to keep doing this every thirty days  second motions takes the soccer games and it acknowledges that the soccer games which occur prior to june thirtieth are july first are now approved with no condition because of our insurance the town's insurance is in place the indemnity agreements are now signed in place the new insurance policy on to be negotiated after july first is not in place so the second motion authorizes the soccer games through june thirtieth unconditionally continues to authorize a soccer games after july one but with the condition of the insurers so has been to go shit or insurance but there's been many hours put in this by kevin town council i spread our council from my craft organization council i don't think everyone got exactly what they wanted that everyone got most of it and i allows us to go forward unfortunately we don't have insurance policy after june thirtieth just because we're not there yet with maya so i think this gets everybody to where we need to be as best as both sides can where the second effort coming right before  thirtieth so it allows everyone to move forward and with these two sever motions and a discussion on the first motion any motions on the first motion the reason plan b is not quite as good as because losses that occur on that endorsed policy will accrue to the losses on our entire array of policies and will affect premium and it's very hard was says the incremental effect of that so we prefer to have a completely separate pulses all losses don't affect the rest of the top of the short but for very very technical reasons we may or may not be able car bush that it really is in the hands of the underwriters at this point protected yes ok like their motion for motion number one on the them of a motion to modify the vote taken at the january fifteenth two thousand and thirteen meeting of this board to approve the applications for the following concerts at gillette stadium kenny chesney august twenty third twenty fourth two thousand and thirteen taylor swift july twenty sixth and twenty seventh two thousand and thirteen and bon jovi july twentieth two thousand and thirteen by acknowledging satisfaction by the applicant of the condition requiring the execution of an indemnification agreement in a form satisfactory to and approved by this board and by extending the second condition regarding obtaining liability insurance for such events ensuring both the applicant and the town in a form satisfactory to and approved by this board through and until july first two thousand and thirteen all remaining conditions of said application approvals remain in full force in effect take some off we can we can do that but let's agree on kind of the goals of the committee and then we can talk about the membership so the purpose to investigate massachusetts state's statues pertaining to reseal licensing designation of neighboring communities impact of plane marriage proposal make a complete report to the board of selectmen membership seven town citizens with preference given to one person experiencing one for simply new development in one person and finance the duties of six listed research and understand the mass gaming laws with special emphasis on receive no provisions provide the board of selectmen with recommendations regarding the gaming commission regulations concerning quote neighboring communities three determine what funding if any is available to them for student number six is working with a consultant or consultants to study all aspects of plane ridge impacts on foxboro in recommend in recommend mitigation in this is an appointment to june thirtieth of two thousand and fourteen slips so those are the six items that we had asked kevin to put together the duties before we get into the applicants does anyone want to add or subtract from that list  someone who could you know doesn't experience a blind they can interpret things they can and they can answer questions if this committee brings questions to them for legal interpretation would that be town council i think the board has indicated in the past that you wanted a consult not this assumes that was funding available which there is think it indicated that you wanted a special consultant special counsel experienced and that's going to stop so i didn't get reached out to want to twenty but you know of no interest or no time and then there was one another tourney but they're already on another committee yeah there's a conflict there and if down the road maybe an attorney there's one other item that i had in my list we had talked about last time of getting assistance from department heads that they weren't necessarily on the committee but they had an item in here that said  work with our department heads and staff as a ta manager coordinates for assistance so this was a committee we don't want to be going to the staff but if they could go to you if they have specific questions or want a staff member to come to the meeting make  but the application in the criteria that they put here if somebody is present think a person should be on it we can address it in order somebody thinks that they need to be interviewed we can set it up for the next meeting but i was hoping that we could go through this if anything jumps out we can address if not we can appoint them all at once i do not want to try to tear down it absolutely not that's and i think the only issue i had is if there was an even number committees is i meet with them go over their charge have bob give them a quick someone i want to open meeting law so they don't because they are a public body governed by it and then help them through electing a chair a vice chair and a clerk you know so we sort of run the can see this paper work so that the seven people that we have in their applications in their resumes are stephanie crimmins jack martin tracy longer michael davison robert w orld war janet kennedy chris mitchell so poor we vote on it is there anyone here on that committee that wanted to see the withdraw or say something or you noticed second motion made by linda motion seconded by their any further discussion and just say i just wanted to give credit a little bit to they did say this before but i know there's a they came in trac longer spent some time at plainville she went down and got the regulations for us got the reports for us at her cost and attended the planning board meeting i just wanted to say thank you for her for doing that it was a big he before she chief coordinator all that stuff that we had when the mass gaming commission came in so that was that was a big help right so motion made seconded for the discussion we have a question from the audience it's still  people are saying you know what what impact is it going to have you know it's awful ninety five one of us you know traffic's not going to affect it and i said it at the other meetings i don't think traffic is the big concern as much as looking at the social radius of things that can happen around or a scene oh and what can happen in the future to the to the kids or the community these are the gambling addiction i think all those social impacts are just as important if not more than the traffic in port impacts and i know from a plane those perspective they're looking at it from traffic but they're looking at all those impacts as well so we have an opportunity to grab those or do our own depending on the of the funding in the efforts and  yeah yeah if you could just say to the microphone  down there and they have everything considering people can't use the care that they have all these seminars and things like that it's all in this report anybody can get you just call the gambling commissioning excellent very that's going to help these are all changes in either the revenue side side of the picture for reductions in the budget the starting point and that budget as you recall it was about eight hundred thousand dollars more than the available revenue we have and as of tonight it's four hundred and sixty four thousand less than the available revenue we have which is great news because because this budget is predicated on the one i give a new tile manager's proposed budget you take that budget and you do whatever you want with it the icon takes that budget they do what they want with it the budget that's in here is the tommy posed budget and it's form sixty four fouls i'm positively balanced randy and i are quite confident that that positive will get even bigger but there's more events to happen over the next two months  most about ninety percent of the moving parts are now in place is just a few more things that are going to happen and we're pretty confident those are going to make the surplus work even better once you vote your recommendation on whatever changes you make to the budget i proposed then we alter this to reflect what you vote add condo's the same and we reflect this we change this to reflect what  pages are the operating budget that's the tom manager's proposed operating budget with all the changes in it which are reflected in this newest version of the revenue expense forecast  just gave you and there is one change that i want to make to that tom major proposed budget and that is to add ten thousand dollars to the border health budget unfortunately that came out of a meeting held just last night so i couldn't get word to get any faster but we had a meeting the board of health myself represented the craft organization health director and health agent and  did is we went through the inspections for the stadium and the fees that are charged what we found was that the fees are likely to high and need to be adjusted fairly substantially but secondly part of the reason that we can't get all the inspections done up there in the fees are therefore too high is because unlike a restaurant which is open three hundred sixty five days a year or maybe a few less maybe they're close monday but they're open all the time you can go in and you can inspect the restaurant pretty much any time but with the stadium you can only inspect it when there's an actual game or event happening which is a very few number of days there  however one hundred fifty seven different food serving venue's that have to be inspected and the law requires in a board of health insist that each of those be inspected twice a year now with only don't want to specter in a hundred fifty seven things to be inspected and limited hours of operation we can't get it done there's no way he can physically do it if he was there every single minute they were open he couldn't accomplish it so what we agreed mutually last night was at the board visit we would put ten thousand in the budget to hire a second inspector so there be that ten thousand is not for full time employees probably be a contract employee or a part time employee who will go with the other board a health inspector and these two people should be sufficient to be able to get all the inspections done hundred fifty seven times to during the time that the stadium is open for events we will then figure out what that cost is going to be and we will adjust the fee to the stadium so think of it this way whatever the cost is of the town it's going to be offset one hundred percent dollar for dollar by the state and they're going to pay a fee equal to that inspection so it's not really costing us anything because we're going to collect exactly as much in revenue as it cost us thought that just happened last night and so i was unable to get you know any word of that to you before tonight or to the add on will be explaining that to them next wednesday night so i'm proposing a ten thousand dollar addition now you know we have to do this on kind of a crude basis the actual cost might be five thousand it might be seven thousand we're not sure for that inspector we're going to do it for a year this year and we're going to record the hours and if there's any surplus it'll be turned back into free cash and any surplus now there is any difference between ten dollars and what we actually need will come back to the bottom line that we're just going to have to experiment a little bit over the course of the next football revolution concert and soccer season and see what how much effort it's going to take because we can't be exactly sure how many hours are needed so we're going to fee is an amount equal to the salary of the person conducting the inspection or service depending what it is a multiplier for fringe benefits and we use forty percent and that's something that randy detail fees so rather than invent their own number we just use the states number so in other words salary plus a fifty percent multiplier you take that number and you multiply it times the number of hours that are actually given to the inspection and that's your feet now you can take that number and you can divide it by one hundred fifty seven devices or in the case of something like the stadium because just negotiate a lump sum payment i think at the border helpless thinking is once on payment of the fees that we're charging right now i will tell you we're part of much higher than that so what we've learned is that we're probably being excessive frankly with what we're charging right now for the going to have to be an adjustment from the world negotiating through this and i'm very confident that we will end up being successful but it's going to take us this entire season to get to where that needs to be and all the time is going to be recorded in mutually verified yup this is how many times the inspectors are there is on which time they spent they got through all hundred fifty seven even knowing that they're paying far more than they should be they said will pay up this year they're paying thirty eight thousand dollars thirty eight thousand five hundred dollars in inspection fees the actual number of hours we spent up there was sixty five the hourly rate plus the modifier is eighty five dollars so eighty five times sixty five is a lot less than thirty eight thousand dollars by a huge margin but remember that sixty five hours did not it was not sufficient to inspect everything times two so what we know is that the total cost of inspections is a lot less than thirty eight thousand five hundred dollars but it's more than eighty five times fifty eighty five times sixty five and it's somewhere in the middle and that's to be determined but they were very gracious and they said look we know you've already set your budget so we're not going to ask for that back and we're not going to ask you for many money back from last year the a before because those fees have been in place for three years this would be the third year that was pretty gracious frankly of them and in return we said we will work hard to make this free proper going forward beginning in fiscal fifteen so fourteen will be the study year fifteen will be the year we implement a new fish director and compliments to both the craft organization representatives and of the board of health because it was a very amicable conversation over a couple hours it  bring budget five as the capital budget once you decide what you're going to do with those then i'm going to give you the authority and which is the warrant which is the same one you saw last week has been as i promise you the no substantive changes on in fact this is almost identical except for typos and corrections because the one you have last week i'm going to getting tonight don't have the budget or the capital budget in it yet because you've got to take action and  need any discussion or comments on the latest budget that is going to be represented by we're going to select men column it's approved in the advisory committee they're calm and they hopefully will be the same it may be different we've been different in the past yes i have i have a comment about this two different numbers here john under general government one sheet says number one twenty seven human i wouldn't worry about apartment number ok all right my concern is i feel very uncomfortable with this this isn't a human resources the expenses for thirty four thousand six hundred seventy five dollars this was the original figure that was presented to the visor committee when the budget was was first presented this was the figure that was dead by the advisory  presentation since that time an item fide twitchin reimbursement has been withdrawn if that is the case then that expense figure should be twenty four thousand to change that thirty four sixty seventy five to twenty five thousand seven hundred dollars i don't recommend you do that and i have not changed my recommendation for the reasons asked for a couple of training initiatives to be started this year you have for succession planning that's in the form of goals and objectives that you gave me and we've undertaken a program of trying to get the middle management staff  to attend a management level training it's fairly expensive and five thousand dollars would always send the ball for people so if we're going to continue with the program of trying to send get all the middle managers to that to try to get them ready to become managers we you know we need more than five thousand frankly i also would like to do some customer service training would select his staff particularly folks in town hall because i think to be a great thing to had a free program from the y m c a but we're looking at a couple of other programs that we would have to pay for so five thousand is a this is an extremely inadequate budget in addition  present time they try to rector's indicated that she's she's with draw on her request i have reminded her that she is legally entitled to that into changing her mind if and until the town decides to change the bylaws now board of selectmen would have to make a decision it buys you created would have to make decision and in town meeting would have to decide what it wants to do i'm not going to presuppose what the outcome of that process is going to be but what i do know is that until that process concludes we have a current bylaw that has current wording and any employee who has taken the proper steps can take advantage of that and we can't diminish their right is a right of the employee it's not a privilege it's a right so i'm not suggesting that h r director will be  asking for this level of reimbursement but she may ask for something lesser and if we don't change the bylaws ever ported to you before she'd be entitled so i want to keep the ninety nine dollars ninety nine hundred dollars in the budget for those two reasons i don't know which one what combination of that will fund but what i will tell you is if she doesn't request which members and if we don't need fourteen thousand for training then whatever we don't use who follow the bottom line but i'm fairly optimistic that if it all ends up going the training fourteen thousand is not a big training budget for one hundred fifty hundred sixty employees it's just that's not a very big training budget well first of all  request was withdrawn even in the minutes and it's in the newspapers it's in the minutes that it was with withdrawn so if that was if it was withdrawn that means that that money is no longer in that line item that means that the zero zero and if there is if the requests for tuition reimbursement has to be done by december first of the of the preceding year then if if there is a change  also in regard to the other request and i do not have a withdrawal you don't have a withdrawal i solve a request it's still not have a written withdrawal if we have if you look at the minutes of the bush said that and that is in fact the case then that ninety nine hundred dollars would be not needed for tuition reimbursement i would still want to for training well all right that's my second point when you made the presentation to the advisory committee you had set the training at five thousand dollars when you met with the liaison from the advisory committee is that if the five thousand dollars w enough then you could always come back to the advisory committee at a later date far a transfer of funds showing you know having shown that you need the money and all is that so so if you feel that the five thousand dollars is not enough you still have a vehicle to get to get the proper funding at a later time so that's why i think that the expenses the expense line should be twenty four thousand seven hundred dollars and that's my motion i would like to make that motion to the boys like men to make that expense line twenty four thousand seven hundred dollars april second here's what you could do this needs to get to the printer very very soon in order to make the posting guideline fourteen days prior to tony not included in the posting cetera i'm sorry thirty days for an annual i think it is fourteen for special of the chart down but it's got to go soon that's for sure now can you wait till april second yes you could i know right now  you things a the reporting to the advisory committee of what you've done because they always they traditionally they don't have to but they traditionally like to know what you want to do before they react they don't have to do that they can go first but if they want to wait till the board reacts then they would be really required to do it the next night april third because after that if we would ignore the we does we can't possibly what are you looking to wrap your stuff up well so i did two things today i talked to frank's plane and he really couldn't understand what the rush was around getting this you know getting a warrant out and that the date you you were sandra gave me was march thirty first and frank said you know typically it wasn't till the middle of april that you know when when he was on the outcome and went to do i want yeah yes so if you're going to tell bylaws like a thing i did today i believe it says that it needs to be posted in the the town hall and at the meeting place seven days before it will town meet in massachusetts general law has a different requirement which is either fourteen or thirty and i have to check which ever it is doesn't include the date of the posting or the date of the meeting which is effectively sixteen or thirty two and i forget which one it is but i mean even even given that i don't understand why it takes so long to print what is after you know off the top of my head you know i don't remember all the different steps i do know that you don't get a calendar done how to date well prior to april for you to all take action on the budget and so we've planned all the events calendar now that shouldn't force us to not spend the time that we need to here i mean it clearly we're still making claims to the budget and we're being told that where a week now if you're asking you know can i reexamined that and find out if we can build on so that was i think that's a good therapy to do that yes that's a good way to absolutely do you so me you're meeting today to the meeting tomorrow or m wednesday i just think it's worthwhile to take a look and see if there's some given the schedule here so that everyone can take the time that they need not just us but if you know you would you folks obviously have questions also have a time season kind of in the bigger picture but to go through the budget  you but i also want to remind i mean what kevin said is true he's meeting a schedule that that the advisory committee set up with the select been so he's doing what he's told all his schedule you know what if we can expand it because it's not quite we could do that at your convenience you know we're meeting every week so and we pretty much we now covered all the worn articles and we voted on probably almost half of them so we really want to spend some time on the budget now so now that it seems to have firmed up i mean it is i think there's some some positive but i just i'm wondering if that's going to put a wrench in this whole process at the recommended verses is that the way it's always been like it's always been so it's been yeah i think one year we talked about who's budget is it we're going to get rid of one it was like two or three years ago i decided to keep them separate and it's nice when everyone's in harmony but you know you pick up things on the on that we don't advice a versa you know jenny has something that is she's passionate about and we may go in a different direction that you guys might be passionate about something else but at the end of the day at the town meeting to everything but that's what i really like going into the box i pretty much ninety nine percent of time going to recommendations so i mean we have all the on the decision on what to do i think what i'm concerned about it i mean there's two inch binder and plus ten pages a line items if we get together we're looking at the big picture over and start dissecting ten thousand here ten thousand there and i think that would just give me a headache at the at the at the eleventh hour you know we're looking to look at the big picture i certainly think that helps and that's what we did a couple of years ago in the summer on a saturday but to sit with them while they're trying to do their war and article cost of fighting everything plus this is your budget and the icon budget is not my budget my job is to get all pulled together make marandi and i make sure it balances when he's away at the time a common sort of occasions schools we could be with us and i but he did and numerous amount  work friday and all day saturday to get all this done so i want to be sure that you knew that so i did the thing i want to sort of borders any changes that you want to make to this i only ask you for the privilege of saying to you why i think why i proposed this then i'm going to be quiet and you vote whatever it is you want to propose what i will tell you is frankly would have your vote on make it work for me will make it work yes we have another meeting like a special one for that you know next week i'm wondering just because right now i know i'm going to regret serious right now you're pretty light on april second in terms of agenda items i don't know how it u don't have that option executive session on the well you know fifteen minutes tonight was not you know with the stuff coming up was it appropriate to go through all this plus we still have the warrant numbers to go through so let's put this on so you don't want to consider my motion right now i'm sorry you are you did make a motion motion was made by jenny to reduce the thirty four thousand six hundred seventy five the motion what i'm wondering is if we should talk about having some number in between the full reduction of the nine thousand just to accommodate what we are talking about some different programs  here the sexual abuse awareness training is something that i would imagine constant decent change so if we could still allocate some money for that type of program well i mean according to the according to the visor community liaison if down the road because you're not going to spend this five thousand dollars the week after the fiscal year begins down the road if more money is needed for training you can always go to the ad advisory committee for a transfer showing the need to fire it and where the money's gone but let me make it easier for you if we look at the top manager and the statute has very broad authority to over spend any of these budgets so i can do that i mean and we're doing good you know the end of the year you're going to see you get as a courtesy you don't vote on a push to get as a courtesy dozens of lines that are all over expand and the reason for that is because as we do a budget in may having started it in october for a time period which won't end till almost two years later we can't hit this thing one hundred percent accurate impossible so we're going to have certain lives that are going to go over what we budget we're going to have a lot of otherwise it's going to be well under and so the law gives me the authority to move them i report out to the advisory committee the first thing we do is we take their reserve fund off the top and we use that to plug gaps and then if there's any remaining gaps then we transfer from surplus the negatives so if we get into the year and you know it takes all of them fouls and to do a proper training budget and achieve those objectives and i've only got five  it from somewhere else i don't go them because they don't want me to each time i'm going over expense a i'm about to run over in this line because that would be it would take way too much time as th would just have an agreement on a report to the end of the year and they say they review them so i just want to reassure the board of that that we're not really bothered by this what you try to do is if you know when expenses coming reasonably you don't deliberately on the budget knowing you're going to run over i guess what i'm telling the board is that i'm pretty sure that five thousand is not adequate to meet all those training goals so if it's your pleasure to make it five that's fine i'll do my best to live with it but i doubt i can so i'm just asking to make it a more realistic number because i don't think five is going to do what you want to accomplish these are your goals that you've given to me and i don't think i can do them for five gran heaven if you feel that you could not do it five thousand dollars for the training then why did you put in five thousand dollars why didn't you put him on to be candid with you because the issues are director who just arrived and was handed there some said write a budget and she line my argument is the line item was pulled the line item is now zero for that tuition reimbursement it is zero now because the request was pulled the tuition the training number as presented to the advisory committee and as they as the advisory committee vetted it and and asked questions about the training that was set at five thousand dollars so that says excuse me the advisory committee hasn't set any numbers they haven't voted anything i didn't say i said it was presented to them you presented the budget to them he presented the budget with the training and the line for training was five thousand dollars black and then it goes along with the with the amount of money that we request that was pulled motion made it was seconded any more discussion of those in favor of the post the reason i'm opposing i disagree if if money was allocated for one specific it is withdrawn and it's going to get moved over it's an issue with me but not tonight it's going to be on april second  we're going to vote on this on a full second probably the most efficient you don't do it is if any of you have questions on had questions about the merit increase program which i had discussions with you and get randy about so i have that information so i wait til you do it and if you if you want to talk about it if not then we'll do it and i just have the same questions about how exactly the program would work because this is a new program and you know in the private sector when you have a marriage program you often don't  have other things like callers and things like that so i talked to kevin but also talk to randy and i understand how the program works i think the thing the key component that's missing is actually the evaluation tools because what we're doing is we're fighting a good estimate the potential number of employees who might qualify  so all the nonunion employees for example they have their new step with a much narrower step in between the progress along that step will be related to their performance so someone who meets standards potentially would go to the next step someone who does not attention he does not go to the next step and someone who walks on water could potentially go to the next step and qualify for a certain amount of merit in the way it's been is i mean the way it's been budgeted it comes out on average the potential is of one point two five merit opportunity when you put it across all the employees the expense basically but only certain people  i was just trying to determine the reasonableness of it when you come from an environment that you either have merit or you have to bring it with me in the private sector management typically gets their increase annually if any based on merit government doesn't tend to do that well so what we tend to do is something that's sort of a hybrid right we take the entire pay plan and increase it by some cola that means every single number in the plan goes up by some number this year  some years we've had zero though it's only well in the last three years it's been zero three and two right zero three two so yeah actually this year i think it's i think it's one one for next year correct now and it's not too with one one so it's been a an average one point five percent increase over the three year period now the merit system that is still in design is going to basically say if an employee isn't it is an exceptional achiever they can get one step two point five percent if they're basically doing the job they just get the call and if they're below they get put into a  probationary period of some sort that plan is about eighty five percent done but it's not done yet the forms and everything are still being reviewed movie going to work on a tomorrow's marsac i'm hoping to have it ready to present to y so we'll have and you know for a long before then you know i just want for it that i was satisfied with the information i got and it struck me as reasonable once i understood better how it was working so and what the actual practice of that because you know that's first i was thinking are fifty percent of the employees going to get a three percent increase on top of a cola to me that seemed out of whack with the financial impact and basically put a chunk of money in and then we've got a fit whatever those do would go to fit it to that chunk of money typically the way department head would build their budget is they would look at their employees knowing having a performance got to get this operating budget first get everything wages salaries all that set then the next step will be to take six and get that one done in course we needed to get c ip done that was friday afternoon so it's all happening in normal way it all happens at the last minute and a giant huge rush which by the industry i mean you've got the c i p article that is well i'm assuming the board would like to have some time to review that and look at that the next three here for that so this particular item you put this on i get a lot of calls today on white why this is here we doing it we in forming from my understanding they were a member a member or members of the i was a permanent building committee of asset review committee that wanted to get a second opinion of whether or not we can sell lincoln hill we don't have authority over the asset review committee but we have authority over our expenditures when it comes to legal counsel so kevin suggested putting this on the agenda tonight didn't we didn't hear that we got one opinion but there's people looking for a second opinion can i explain   five form a lot so i know there's been a great amount of discussion with the conservation commission about the topic we did get that one opinion and you know where for the town as a review committee the properties have been identified represent you know the potential sale represents a significant amount of dollars to the taxpayers like these lots for example could have represented potentially five hundred to seven hundred  fifty thousand dollars that would not need to be borrowed in for in the future against a large capital project  proportion you know the idea of spending a couple of hundred dollars more to obtain a an opinion from an environmental type of attorney to look at this situation would be beneficial just to confirm they are the original opinion or see is there any other potential approach that could be considered by you know the town and con com regarding the ability to recognize any additional monies because again i think you know the charge of the town as a review committee strike down a five properties that can potentially not only back on the tax rolls but also represent a source of funding for projects and i think you know you've got the town hall coming at us we've got the borough school coming at us all these are situations that we are going to have to deal with so i just thought that for some more money it made sense just to ultimately put any potential to rest in that area it just represented too much of it represents too much of what we had as a target for assets to bring back on to the tax rolls and also potential assets for building projects so that's really the rationale for requesting a second opinion and you're speaking from  they have supported the sale of this property all but then there was a letter from the attorney that said it's not salable so many words that go back to your committee yes and they say come back here and ask for a second opinion as a committee you know as a committee no i get it wrong but there was salamander situation there for you as well as other things and i think when we look at  conservation use and presumably the camp would be the recreation portion logically and you know so the but there wasn't any more specificity than that in the motion and now we situation i would like to see that you know all the lanes all the money accrue to the town and use it as part of the funding plan for the town hall as was and to supported the dilemma at this point is that with the discovery will of an endangered species on the land the massachusetts heritage program is now engaged in the heritage program  block development it can have a powerful an influence on how development occurs so what the town would have to do were you to receive a second opinion saying you could sell the land and of course night somehow you got permission to sell those that however that were to occur i think it's it's it's abundantly clear it would have to go to a town meeting for revolt and i have no confidence in how that would turn out third point you would have to disclose as part of the sale to any potential buyer that you now have a state listed species in close proximity to the land and in order to develop that land you're going to have to do the kinds of studies that the heritage program is going to require again they don't have the power to block the sale or the development but they do have the power to require a great deal of work to be done in order that the ultimate development be sensitive to that endangered species having a good deal of experience with that law i can pretty well tell y unlikely that anyone will buy one or two singular building lots knowing they're headed for that requirement if this were a big piece of land twenty thirty acres with multiple lots and a developer could lay off the cost of those studies on a small number of laws against the whole subdivision that do it but in this case you tied to the only one or two laws best case scenario that you could sell and you'd have this tremendous requirement so a developer who's going to buy wanted to loss and they know they're headed for that or a homeowner who's going to buy it it's just it's going to put an impossible impediment on it which would make it very hard to sell i'm not happy about the situation but on the other hand i'm not doing my job of i don't tell you all this frankly and for that reason i don't you know i told the commission i went to the commission two weeks ago along and i put this issue in front of them i suggested they consider some options they made their choice and i told them that i would support them when they made their choice for why i support their choice which is to proceed with the protection of this land consistent with the town being vote in the possibility and i hope it's it will happen that the rec will work recreation department will work with the scouts and see if they can resurrect the camp and turn it back into what i think the town meeting wanted to see happen back and many many years ago when they bought this land if that happens i e the right the campers reestablished and the background is protected then think we have acted consistent with the will of the voters when they bought us land way back when and i think that's probably the best this position we can make at this point and again believe me part of me is pained making this recommendation to y because that's a lot of money that we're for that we're forgoing that there was a lot of things that lorraine presented to us that is very you know that that is revenue could come into that they want to look at just there are other options one against the other and it's just not what we want to see in this town anymore anymore where what i think really is the focus at least you know as we've talked about it has always been to see if there was some aspect of compromise and if there was a way to have conservation satisfied you know conservation satisfied and still be able to realize some positive aspect of it for the taxpayers that's you know i guess that's why i'm looking at the second opinion as is the door to compromise really totally shot well that's why i thought we were going with this when the manager told us six weeks ago that we were he was going to try and reach a compromise with augustine's was and then grab from the people that put it back together and then you know put to put it back on the wall whatever you want from being a volunteer citizens group w and go through that whole process go to anybody and when the scouts is leaning on that the rest of the people in town because they need guidance and help and permits and all the stuff an architectural drawings whatever to really you know was in a part of life was a c b d granted ministre or as long as it's you retain value in the remainder of the land that you keep it cool to at least seventy five you don't have to remit anything back in addition they've never asked for anything you're ok there but i think there's a forget about that there's a lot of other reasons why i think selling this land is a particle in process billy because there's so many hurdles to town meeting vote on the endangered species situation i think it's far more intelligent for us to put our energy into other land which is available for sale and is in fact another piece of land which i spoke to the commission conservation commission about at a different location and i'm hoping that they would be in a mood to compromise on down because that has some excellent value and perhaps that becomes the nature of the compromise not these not the land on oak street because i i just don't think that's going to work even if the commission by the way were to say ok let's sell of a lot a lot or to once the discovery of the endangered species is m it's the commission doesn't control that anymore it's that it goes to the heritage program and they control it and believe me they are extremely protective of those habit because they are rare and they should be so it's just an uphill battle to try to sell that land and i deny the tremendous amount of energy that it would take in the guarantee of success we can put our energy elsewhere who could have a much better outcome i think i'll just close it agree with everything probably by ten with ten additional reasons why it shouldn't be sold and it won't get there  what troubles me is that conservation commission made a vote for it to get to town meeting even in the recommendation of the attorney that you know they had it they were had a wanted to do this i mean it is owning is a wonderful thing and if the tom meeting says a in twenty years later the time he wants to say b they can rebuild it and things change but specifically it has to get through the conservation commission and the conservation commission said no they don't want to do it and they raise a hand and they're more than a majority voted you're on the committee you only talk to one other person what if the selectmen tonight said yeah we want to get a second opinion and then we start spending money all a sudden the selectmen once again are pitted against another organization that they said they didn't want to do it and we overrode that with the vote because we have the money to spend on an attorney and then you get two opinions and then you get a third we don't have a committee in here saying on the asset review committee by majority can you do this we have one person coming in asking us we spend a considerable amount of time it's already been in the globe that started to say there was an article that almost eluded to the fact that the conservation commission is costing us money because we can't cash in because they don't want to to do it i see it going down in that direction which witnessed it off of the table from the dog park issue when an attorney made a recommendation and i tell you right now if the if the board voted to get a second opinion i could give you five attorneys that could give you a second opinion that says we can sell it that's what they do we're going down the exact same road that the selectmen is trying to circumvent somebody else's opinion and i don't see any good coming out of it from one member of a committee coming to us and saying can you do this if the if the asset review committee voted to come make a vote and say can you do it i think i would have a little more respect for that process and that's what i want this is on the agenda i don't know if it were if it was lorraine bracco as a selectman kevin putting it on here someone from the asset review committee but we're going down a terrible path this is one board is more of more important than another board when they have complete jurisdiction over this i have to disagree with it you know then and then take the money out of your pocket get an opinion but i'm not spending any more money to the attorney gave you ten reasons gave us ten reasons and it was one big reason that they left off they didn't even put on there that i don't know what how they missed it but to to go down that slippery slope that  the conservation commission is not going to give up on it and then we're going to we're going to wave a piece of paper and say let's go to battle for what a couple house lots that's going to be spent quickly and then you've got three or four kids going to the school that all those assets are going to be way they don't five years from now so i just don't want this board to be used as one person coming in or two people representing a board for a second opinion against another board it's happened before and i don't want to have i guess caution  appreciated if you'd share that information with me kevin prior to this discussion and i was advised that kevin spoke with you jim about the question that i had asking about this and and that you know you as chairman have the authority to authorize that but certainly want to do that want to bring it to the whole board for discussion which i totally appreciate and would always support you know i think the information i'm hearing tonight is new to meeting with the commission all i was able to do was give her a little smidgen which was that the so had i known that i would not have voted for it brought it forward so i went with you know my commission voted until i had the chance to meet with a commission face to face in march correct you know i had said to the board just two three weeks ago that i was hoping that we find a compromise and it wasn't until i had a meeting and was able to have an in depth discussion  week ago yesterday that i became convinced that you know it wasn't worth the turmoil that would happen and my apologies that when i was unable to give you a full in depth report because it probably would have produced a different result and i don't want you to feel badly that you know well it's embarrassing really because you know if i had had that information i think you wouldn't see this on each end so you know i guess i just want make the point that i went t unfortunately i'm sorry to put you in this position jim you know i'm sorry that i'm sitting here in this position myself so you know i agree  ever know what happens when you move it up early get more people to see it but maybe at a detriment to the smaller ones or do you put it on the bottom to help keep everybody there it's probably more of a discussion you want to have tonight but i just felt obligated to bring it to the statute so you can do anything you want with it change you or whatever you like yeah we can be screwed not delayed i that's not going to screw up any of that no i tell you honestly what i do is i try to not always put you had any interest in having a special meeting next week for the tiff if we can get it done so you know it's a huge body of work that's got to get done in the next forty eight hours and i get another huge body of water to report done we're running a narrative report that tells us told you what we did by friday then if you tell me that you want to come to meeting tuesday night then we'll send it all out to you and you know and since you're all available i will get back to you on friday and let you know if we're able to get it all done such that we can have a meeting 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