something to you to make them behave or do you think they were hiding from you are not finding well perhaps an e mail that was sent from an official an employee that said please use my personal e mail or an e mail t i believe that they should have search for records that would have identif seeking records that would identify individuals that use state nonstate that e mail addresses as for something that said there was no such thing they said there was no such thing as a document that it was meant to say this is back and forth communication between counsel several in emails and phone calls that what we were looking for was not the entire expanse of the entire state department's email system but rather able to find just through google search that there are no i g reports that somewhere there is documents we're it a new foyer request because we were engaging in ongoing communication and thereby we were stall filing a new and submitting a new request because in good faith we were communicating back and forth with the state department with the and can't come in and say well i had genital conversations with them and gee no i mean if you really think there's something from those conversations that indicates they're documents you wanted them to get and they're not doing it then you need to make the record we what you're talking about as far as the requests search yeah what you're asking for if we're on the receiving end i'm in the state to pour i would know what you're talking about other than what they gave you i would argue that avoid that's where we get lost i'm what record you think it is they're trying to hard and leisure talking about reviewing everybody's email make everybody come in to report whether they're using private or a discussing employees that are using it there again could be an e mail or an internal report those would be things that are outside the grasp of what may just because we're not within the state department and they are and those records i believe would be responsive to show that there is who we believe that they should at least inform us what in response to the search terms that they used how many documents perhaps were told in their determination maybe it wasn't a lest you e mail use now if that's what they actually wanted they certainly could have drafted a request that would have gotten that they could have asked for reports discussing the practice of unofficial use there are other potential requests they could have submitted they could asked for emails sent to or from particular addresses or records from investigations or disciplinary proceedings against the department employees but that's not what they asked for what they asked for was the number of names of all current and former officials now it's not only reasonable to ask for that record i mean it is possible that record could have existed if for example the state department had conducted a department wide review of this practice then it's possible that would have produced such a right now in three months in fact there is no such record but that doesn't make the original request reasonable i think that ultimately the principle that decides this case is the principle the score questions then we ask that the panel affirm that i do have one question and that is why you didn't rely on the provision with respect to electronic records which says in responding under this paragraph to requests for records an agency shall make reasonable efforts to search for the records in electronic form or form at x when such efforts would significantly interfere with the operation of the agenc automated information system did you think about relying on that or is that something that goes to a different assume you know i would i am not so i am not familiar with that provision so i know not sure if there was any discussion of relying on that print provision but certainly  the declaration that was filed in this quake case did explain why any meaning other than the plain meaning interpretation that the traditional that the state department relied on would have made the request unreasonable for and some for the agency to process