to postpone sewer allocation request until a little later in the meeting is the planning commission is being right now to make a decision as to what to recommend to us so they'll be here or at least  start with the operating budget first of all during our discussion all that basically the police department the biggest hurdle right now we're dealing with this is a shortage of personnel i'm not sure where but my administrative assistant stepped down so that was a priority i decided to do my priority of filling that position first we've gone through almost one hundred applications in the last three weeks that we've done the three readings of them and this warning myself and eric came up with a them no more but about ten good candidates that we're going to be reaching out after the new year to do interviews and hopefully within you know a couple of weeks we'll have a very good candidate that i can  mcguire and get that done and once we get that person then it kind of like it takes a lot of pressure off of me but also i'm down three patrol positions as you go through the budget you can see that currently we have no that position as those positions been vacated almost two years i believe right close to it so i can't put people in detectives because then i'll take away the patrol site so i've met with all the  classes per year the one that begins in the end of january first the federal we already have a candidate in there who will be going so we're going to try to year at least probably get two people into the new august academy so over the next three or four months we're really going to be doing the full court press to try to get some people up here it's a very long process a very demanding process because of what they have to go through to be to be certified in the state and likewise that's what i'm doing it between all my other duties is get my certification back up so i budget has not gone up that much it's less than one percent  ok was our reason better off for i think her background is domestic violence which she came from she was a domestic violence advocate and opportunity come get into that position and i really you the short time i worked her i felt that she had very good you know good potential i wish i could get the here i think we would have opportunity yes she went to something that she's really really good at and you know and by my dad i've done some work and a domestic violence feel teaching instructing so i understand when her i talk about that feel like i knew she was very very versed in that so it's a it's good that the the department that ages is higher is again a very good person to take over her and them and now we're back to you know retraining somebody to come in all that but as of the budget it says that you know if it only going up you know twenty thousand over lashes budget we made some changes to the budget move we moved some funds they benefit to it takes the burden off the police side because there's certain things that even though we always get the calls that help people out one of us don't have that type of background dealing with mental health issues you know we know how to get people to the hospital so the way that we put that into the budget is you'll see the full portion of that person's salary in the public works budget and it looks like it's savings here in the police budget but once that position is approved will be allocated out to the different departments it supports but right now it's just in that one i didn't have time so so right now we have to have time to actions and one of the half time one of the part timers has been here for a very long time does a great job in that second one has just been a revolving door we're not able to keep somebody in that position and we feel like if we could get somebody there full time full time benefited position year round that we'd be able to make that position more attractive and get someone that can stay part time position the person that's there and offering them the job or we have discussed that it would be an option for that person he's not interested  during next fiscal year is not reflected in the police department budget it's shown as a little things because there wouldn't be the contracted services right and the full amount of that new position is in the public works project so if that is not approved in showing up as are a net savings or and as a result of taking to have because i assume the to have time don't have benefits yes so it's about and i think if you're just a cheap the public works position is like thirty i think than that of that is about twenty six thousand is what's taking yes so the savings that the police department would have from using an internal person  police positions are currently filled in which were vacant that would just be helpful  we don't three patrols yet when i took over on the sixteenth we're we're four positions down one was a dispatcher and three patrol and then we were able to fill the full time dispatchers position and then  ministry of system left and she still wants she's doing part time work for me right now to do the see the payroll the vultures the billing things like that that you know like you know i have no concept what morning and you can't do follow them will sign to somebody from the day ships to do to follow but it's nice to have a detective who can go around different places and not you know the police the the staff so once they get the people in then i can build on that and likewise with the administrative side just assume we've already started some of the scutcheon about maybe changing that position to do more of a man just position to give me some some support as as an administrator but that's that's private you know six to twelve months down the road before we even get that far but i want eventually maybe after the we start this new budget in july that we can say having some discussion and some planning on how we want to go because i would not be a if if i  done the three currently vacant patrol officers the anticipation of hiring those three officers is shown in the law i'm on page three of the police budget operating budget under patrol salary is that correct right there hopeful that we can tell at least one book and and why not two if we don't get to three bodies to fill the vacancies and i only get two that i can only do one position if i get all three then i can do two detectors or to mike the word of some concern part of my questions are along the lines of this works well for the budget this year when we see this decrease in half next  it's going to be the opposite because we're going to see it go up to right now you made the point or our budget is only going up twenty thousand that's great particularly given the size of your budget but part of that is because there's a salary decrease in the investigation salary next year the opposite will happen instead of it being a decrease it will go up i soon to be two positions shown there seven thousand ok and investigative has gone down and this is going to confuse the difference it's because right now what we have is a full staff of patrol sergeant thirteen patrol sergeants if if she was fully staffed he would have thirteen patrol sergeants which is what he has now but he would also have two detectives and an administrative sergeant which all three of those positions are open the two detectives right because i've been hearing about three vacant patrol officers but it's really two vacant detectives right now that's part of why i think this information about what positions are in the police departments which ones are filled which saying that we're going to be fully staffed and the police department is saying that all of these positions are all failed because if you look at the twenty eight twenty seventeen what we approved in the budget and what actually happened we under d the police department by three hundred thousand dollars so if we continue to add to funding if they were going to fill all of these positions well that's great if we do we were asking for additional dollars additional tax revenue that we at in the best case we would need it and we would be over budget in the police department in which case we would use fund bal to take care of that and we'd communicate that with the select board along that we are fully staffed i would love to come here and share that information is being cautious knowing that we have the money if we need it but you're thinking that right magic happens then am i going to get that money we've we've cut back i want you know so i understand having a surplus in the doesn't look good that much over the last few years and stand there and i refer to as vacant positions because even though the detectives positions i can feel the detectives i need a patrol person for us to get them trained to move somebody that's already certified to detectives so i look at a different way as as three vacancies rather than you know so that's why i call that way so ok ok i think i'm good if i could if i could maybe so i don't mean to take so much time there are three vacancies you anticipate filling three patrol officers fiscal year nineteen come fiscal year twenty probably at least one of those patrol officers will changed their job title from patrol officer to detective correct  i think i'm i think i'm understanding still having that that list of positions and who's vague you know any any information you could provide in that about how those positions will morph if you will for lack of better words from being a patrol officer to a detective to help peabrain out understand this particularly you know as we're getting further on and rick's coming to us and telling us about positions being funded that would be great philip that would be great thank you to maybe i'm looking at but your utilities were flat funding from eighteen to nineteen but i'm just wondering you know when all this you know we're talking about saving money and we're talking about you know conserving and seventeen i wasn't around for the seventeen budget of course but or proving the eighteen budget for that matter but it went up from six twelve seven to sixteen were up significantly between seventeen and eighteen because second column over is there twenty seventeen approved by chad so that's where we had the sixteen nine twenty eighteen we approved sixteen thousand nine hundred again because we didn't have a lot of history and seventeen yet but when you look at that middle column there that's actually what we spent last year which is twelve thousand seven hundred or so so we're saying we're not going to increase that because actual experience last year was lower you're doing a nice job in the building about turning off lights and conserving energy and i think you had an air conditioning problem that's now been fixed so you don't have air conditioning running department the first one being the chiefs vs the second one or eight patrol vehicles the third is technology and fourth is traffic safety equipment sunk into a savings account and then ye think it looks a little different because last year when we added a vehicle right for twenty so we had it separately so we had the savings of seven vehicles and then we had a brand new vehicle that was t police but i guess we do resale value because we just traded you get on the one on the road and we're going to send the old one out to watch and so that money because back into the year because it's got less miles on it so you know miles and they get you know you know there's a lot of roads here you know i'm learning and so but it it it's nice you know i haven't you know thirteen people drive two cars because everybody breaks certain way very you know uses the gas a different way they they move the se hours a shift or twelve hours and figure out how many times you open and close your door you know and and add that up they're not in the shift and you because they're working twelve hour shifts so they're constantly going on in some parts of this community it's it takes a little would talk about it that maybe to do it maybe a little extended warranty the next time we go out they give us a little more benefit if we have to keep them all longer it protects the community that way protects the i think what you're saying is from an efficiency and overall cost that so issuing licenses this is passports so we're upping that budget to be more in line with what we actually experience in two thousand and seventeen we're still one of the only offices in the area that doesn't require appointments so we ha lot of traffic in our passport office were up and eight to three thirty without an appointment monday through friday so it makes us people and they can fit it into their schedule so we're seeing a lot but there we are budgeting to be the state has moved back to waterbury so we're seeing that go down the state a lot of recording here in boston when they had offices here there's not a lot here that has increased wages have gone or just our cost of living increase nothing too substantial their one area that we missed last year in the budget was slight increases just based on that we miss that steer and we are budgeting for a little bit of an increase in postage and i did see a lot with the elections this year of people wanting to get a mail ballot to them so we're counting for that and then if you look at elections we will have a general election both a primary in august of twenty eighteen in a general election in november twenty eight him it would always be good just to understand what the percentage of those a couple t so maybe some like i am which is what's difficult though is the different fiscal years have different election requirements to them so you just factor that in as your you're doing your evaluation well when you're look it was year we don't have a primary origin election if you look at that of my actions ok yeah so it went from just about five thousand dollars budget to a little over twelve to account for extra ballots that need to be print of a portion of the town's supercapacitor that's placed in that most of that capacity and that is given out over the upcoming fiscal year most of the decisions about that are made administratively with the exception of one line item in there which is the one we're talking about tonight which is encourage specific development the request for the hotel and finney crossing it's here under that request for a number of reasons number  one it would not fit in any other category in the schedule of allocation for attachment because the request is so large but that inhabits self would not be a sufficient justification for the select board granting it as eric has already pointed out according to the ordinance it needs to need to be able to make a finding that it's helping the town to achieve important goals in the town plan so in that regard both myself and eddie rowan his memo we've referenced a couple of key things i think for this like board to consider i'm not page two of the memo that i prepared for you there is an excerpt of the language from the town plan and the land use chapter of the town plan which talks about the task taft corners and growth center and it states that we're going to encourage and support a design conscious pedestrian fan friendly mixed use development and redevelopment pattern in the orientation it it arguably i think meets all of those goals within the town plan hotel in terms of uses that are not only allowed but really specifically called out for is identified in chapter forty one of our regulations so under section forty one point one point three point two we specifically call out the need for a hotel at least one hotel for the long term success for the taft corners zoning district so the hotel fits sort of squarely within within the the requirements of the zoning district which are designed to help to implement the goals of lively really sort of downtown kind of environment that we're working towards over time a hotel would be part of that it like many other things that we desire to do within the town plan our land use plan to have things be concentrated in the growth center so you would have travelers where their business travelers or vacationers are recreational travelers would stay in a hotel they would support activity in their restaurants they would then shop in the stores that would be located they would be located in the caf corners area they would also be in a setting where they could potentially get around by foot or by b that multi use path is there because it was built by the developer as part of the build out of this project there as each phase of the development gets built out there are sidewalks sections and bike paths sections etc ther e is currently a big missing section in the bike pad facilities in the taft corners area between really the frontage of finny crossing along will astin road and that would link up to say where simon's plaza is and there's a there's a crosswalk that can take you from there over to shah's and then there's a sidewalk over at the taft corner shopping center as finny crossing builds out that whole section will be dealt out by the developer so so is there a gap in that section today yes will that gap always be there not as the project bells out so so more and more of those facilities are getting built along with the buildings first of all if if this project is made to the by laws you know i have no no problem with the concept of they get the appropriate amount of sewer allocation but what i guess i have a little bit of a question about and i'm getting hung up on is is the process we're following and you mentioned about how the hotel you know the concept is this ten thousand gallon encouraged pacific development has to  be around implementing a specific goal of a comprehensive plan and really that the crux of my question is is a hotel significant enough if you will i don't know if that's the best word to achieve that  that designation and let me give you a couple examples should we tell would a retail use also be given that same designation because well it helps create a lively vibrant downtown feeling or restaurant or bar or i don't know what else you know something that you know people would attract people i guess my question is why is this different than all the other uses that might happen in that s this makes it a real outlier it's just unusual that we get a request for this much most of the requests we get for sewer allocation come in in much much smaller increments so i'll just give you an example for new residential in the growth center on an annual basis it takes somewhere in the order of eight to nine thousand gallons per day of capacity for the equivalent of sixty eight dwelling units that's a whole year's worth of sixty eight whiling units and it's less than the amount of super allocation you need to support this hotel so so what i would argue is that that makes this unique just just because of its it half and then secondly hotels don't get requested and built every day there they they tend to come in on an episodic sort of basis i've been told that there are certain trends that exist in the hotel industry you'll have they'll be a lot of activity in a short window and then there may be a gap of years and years before you see another one come along certainly a hotel hasn't been built  in over a dozen years as just as a way of of of measuring them her so good get into that i you know i understand the concept you just said you know it's a it's for a use it's a large generator or needs a lot of capacity so that's part of what makes it unique so it's the question of size in fact we didn't even allocate enough sewer capacity under the new commercial industrial in attachment ada here no this project so that gets to my other process question is don't we have a process that we can deal with this issue which is to amend attachment so that we would increase the amount of sewerage capacity that we can allocate under the new commercial and industrial wouldn't that be a more appropriate way to allocate sewer to what i'm going to say is a a big you know maybe necessary but not different than anybody else use in the taps corners zoning district but you could do that as a practical matter what i would suggest to you is  amending the sewer ordinance which is what you do when you do attachment a that requires you all to make a decision and so that's what where that's what's in front of you right now it's an opportunity for you to make a decision so either way it puts the decision in front up the slack board this is a mechanism that was created i think for for requests that are like this things that fall a little bit outside of the ordinary guest i check it out rick signs it it all happens administratively you don't you don't see it at all but if i could if if the last time we did attachment name stead of putting seventy five hundred gallons under the new commercial industrial if we had put seventeen fifty this month a very well been handled administratively it credits i can't say that back last spring that we knew this was going to happen i get why we didn't put it in there it's it's and i guess you can probably figure out when i'm struggling with and if we were to say instead of allocating under the encouraging specific development we went back an amended attachment to increase the amount in new commercial industrial what would be the timeframe for that say you would have to it's amending the ordinance it's going to require a public hearing meeting those standards and then i believe my there's an appeal period that follows that so i would say we're probably talking about i don't know three four months from soup to nuts ok and i guess i'm asking is that time to for like a better word for significant or calm detrimental i would say that is and then again as a practical matter so if this were all were to take four months guess what we'll be doing in fo because this category that we're considering allocating under i look at as as being for special type projects and i don't mean this this is not a negative comment at all but i don't see how this project rises to that level what we're asking to do is a normal thing but consider it special and i just on the other hand what i don't know as i said before if this project is meets ard zoning regs you know as an appropriate it's going to the d or b process you know obviously it deserves sewer capacity and i'm also not interested in unduly holding up a project or holding up an allocation and on the other hand one thing you probably learn to me is this process is important and you know i'm at times i'll be a stickler t hand you know to stick with the process that we that we put in place that's in our ordinance that i'm wondering if we're following because of giving this a special designation is that a good explanation ok understand that i'm looking back at the i think it's the march documents that we reviewed here through allocation ordinance attachment and or allocations are in the order of twenty thousand per year well that's how much gets placed in there for a new allocation right that's not necessarily how much we celebrate we only s we sell less than half of that correct in the reason for the bigger ok sions for special things that come up right having the larger zero occasion in hotels don't come up every year right soon that's why it's special because this is a once in a decade kind of a situation i mean when i looked up and looked at it special from that perspective and i think i you know i do want to emphasize that the idea of this mixed use development pattern and taft corners area is very important and it goes to the heart of the land use plan it's it's one of the that the biggest objectives that we have in the land use plan crossing the way it's developed so far does have a variety of housing types in it it provides bike pedestrian facilities some of the design in there i think is very nice it has a wide a nice things in it but in and of itself what it's been built out as it's not really makes you see at the hotel is a really key part of the really the mixed use pattern that i think we really want to be when we get there at the end of the day so the hotel comes in and the hotel but quits or facilitates the construction of a restaurant which may facilitate the construction of an office building or some retail space so all of those things fit together so it is in my view it's a key part of all of that that helps us to realize that all that's articulated in three point one in the town plan  as well as the fact that it's it's unusual in its in its size and and that they come along infrequently i'll just make one comment and then all stop the promise is if if we were at our limit for what we could allocate under new commercial and industrial we were at seventy five hundred so you can allocate any more in a restaurant in the tasm ring or retail establishment commune would we think would you be making this not you with the same recommendation that coming to the select board about giving the allocation under the encouraging specific development because those uses also add to the bible and see in the mixed use of the task corners area that's a good question i'm not sure that i would and it's much easier  to to meet the sewer allocation needs of a restaurant than a hotel even though it uses a lot of sewer capacity it's still just a fraction of what it require with with the hotel and under most normal circumstances we would be able to grant an allocation like that out of the ordinary supply of sewer allocation in almost any given year i i think i remember talking  to two groups and i think my recollection is if you're a look at say like chili's or longhorn they use somewhere in the order of about four thousand and forty five hundred gallons of sewer capacity it's less than half from one of those one of those restaurants and based on past you know what we track in terms of how much allocation we actually s so we will go on for the public hearing from the north willesden road scoping the study yeah it's it's it's totally fun and i just i'm a stickler for process and i don't think so i believe that by the committee that oversees that process of eventually our board of directors and we hired you to do this work and here they are tonight leave it at that particular be six months ago i think it may have been we did the first meeting where we got a lot of great feedback and we're going to really touch on that we did some online surveys too and hopefully you all got a chance to do some of those here you were going to talk a little bit about the impacts ineffectiveness of all these alternatives and how they are addressing the issues that were raised about earlier we didn't know we'll get into the next ups a little bit and i'm not sure if everybody has had a chance to take a look at these opportunity i'm really hoping that you'll be listening to you ask questions and talk about it a little bit tonight and then the following month we'll get a really great opportunity to discuss you can give us some feedback and  term implementation and then just having a longer term vision of what we want the growth of life so just to back us up and around us a little bit is why we're here you know we're really trying to get a resilient ford or one that addresses the needs of all travelers along the north coast and road so right now we have a lot of free travelers there we have a lot of people who live there on the southern half a really third from south of no new road it's a much more dense residential to the north of the you get into the more rural those people who live here want to be able to walk on the road safely and not feel like they're getting rushed off by all the traffic so there's some more results from the survey that we had there these are the most common concerns from hopefully some people here that just the environment there the speeding vehicle and another concern that has been brought up before is just getting out of your driveway and sometimes if you have to back up your driveway in a busy road it can be a bit challenging so that's it these are all things that have been brought up shoulder areas of where the concerns are and you know interestingly the residential where most people live like that's not where a lot of concerns were brought up and i think that's a reflection of how people are driving and what roadways improvements they'd like to see not surprisingly traffic calming getting people to drive slower and that's a you know a big thing that was brought up and then followed by you know facilities for people to walk and bike on whether they're me means you know rain if you're making sure doesn't wash out high storm frequencies and that's really going to be something that's incorporated into all of ours in the city all the alternatives we're proposing here you know one of the key things that we're talking about are you know replacing this series on traffic coming in handsomeness try to address speeding up also some of the driver behaviors sets another form of traffic coming and corey will be getting into so i would expect that those are moderating traffic more than so why wouldn't you want to put the homespun north most of the road because you definitely want to slow down for those yeah we see where border i mean there's just generally more and because it could be set so that it really from above a certain speed so that it's not always flushing at you and then it you know there's a higher likelihood it would it's affected it's one way to do that  ten foot lanes and three foot shoulders and that works well the traffic speeds pretty lonely him but i cannot three foot section it's kind of a not really bike lane but it's enough space to do comfortable a member rocks and i have an early stages project bikes through there we bike all the way t bicycle lanes essentially a wider shoulder a narrower draw a line so it would be a ten foot travel lane and a five foot by way on both sides right now what it is an eleven foot travel lane and you know on one foot sort of shoulder overall it it is very we looked at what would happen if we were able to shift it like if we left why not only six feet on one side of the road so perhaps on the north side of the road you know that sort of house like this waving has a back to the road you can just like shift over one spot in the fifty feet down the road have it back to where it is because it's like this kink in the road and people are driving it's got a smooth transition so it's not quite as simple as just like shifting the whole thing over and then where you don't we might you know void it making this worse it'll be worse for the next house down so it's just land there and tell you get to a couple inches points and there's two of them that we found and that's like great when you start going down the hill and turning left that would be your property right there there's a big slope up there or not much of the dish that we could work really work with types of things that we've identified as being some significant issues and there are ways to work around i think that we could actually further this alternative avoid any impacts you know we could also reduce the tent but that's like picked up a big ask to eight feet but what we're looking at is you know for just widening the road and doing not the drainage stuff there we're looking at you know close to two million dollars for that and then if you want to do that buy time for it be close to you know three million dollars if we're going to combine all of those five  let that sink in for a second and go into the next steps here which is what we talked about earlier i'll go back and we can get some but i don't know some people probably may want to get out here it's not a talk now so you know we're compiling the feedback so successful traffic calming can be to me this road is a road that really suffers from commuter traffic is is the big for lack of better words user of the roads that are causing the problems and they're probably that those type drivers are probably the least influenced by traffic calming because they're late to work or something like that can you i don't know if you can really evaluate this or answer it but what would be my takeaway from the potential for traffic calming to have a significant impact on this road with someone in my immediate like recommendation would be to give it one titled at jericho hall and that's what i did when we were doing this don't think if you haven't you get fresh a paved road and people are wanting to drive the faster and so i think that's a real testament to the ability of these things actually work like some people have mentioned the speed humps and not speed tables so you  right here there is very well documented evidence of you know what the effectiveness is of these speed limits you know like the curve meetings one to eight miles an hour reduction in tables for the ten eleven miles an hour and those are from grants or something so i mean it really depends on the level of investment as corey said earlier the transplant measures more something that we can do pretty quickly where we start talking about widening the road and doing drainage that governorship in north williston the mountain view that so i guess there are a bunch of improvements or projects proposed an approach i guess approved but not executed for some reason but i think maybe that's one of the things i'm concerned about in this as well is if we pick something that has ninety nine impediments that we have to hit one of the time it could be ninety nine years before he construct anything and we like the idea of a phased approach could we do something to help so a number of the initially preferred alternatives from the intersection studies have been implemented so there's  curve medians or we don't want this or we want that i don't want to just taken into consideration the communities and put and then come back to you guys in february and you say no star all for this you don't like and that you know so we want to get every create more comments and we can come up with a good point and a preferred alternative plan and have it available to you guys a couple weeks in advance for the meeting so you can review it and having to come up with comments just in case you the travel the road in the town is understand the prairie because i think the priority at least the way i look at the report it said the high speeds are the biggest issue that's with this most common concern so does that reflect the feelings of the people that are impacted on the road itself high speeds pedestrian safety bike safety i rarely see anybody walking on that road i would walk up and down the great here because one of the things i would worry about just to be voting for something that takes up some road somewhere from the some of those houses that have been so just we would have to look at if everybody felt the same way that would be the problem is that yeah you have to probably take them out during the winter just to comply with the snow throw and then you have this really was so the way that we were thinking about it would be like as if there was a main road that's existing out as you just widen want to really wide shoulders sort of and then just give her overview of what to we have a moment that would be great are is under budget i expect them to continue to be under budget throughout the year because every creating challenge is the fire department is under budget by a similar amount but there's more of just timing talks about due to the change in accounting for the stormwater project labor and requirements and i just really it's a timing question when do those changes go into effect and they go into effect at the beginning of the  it yet and so that note has been there for a few months now ok we're going to build this out quarterly so any work that the stormwater or that the highway crew is doing for stormwater projects will be built quarterly ok and so the this petition is the one that we've heard of the paper right yeah yeah yeah that's part of what i was asking i just it was just unclear from what was in the manager's report but now this makes sense comfort and joy