we are on every week three jericho road mylar and david you had a suggestion for a change yes just wondering on the wording whether we got to change number four because it's not a construction it's a renovation in addition so they haven't built that building yet this was this was a report there from port says that it's a lay off that port said well it was a previously proof site plan by to swear everyone in so if any of our valued audience could please stand and use were there any testimony present this evening will be truthful to the best of your abilities thank you next item on our agenda is public comment this is an opportunity for folks to give us any comment on items that are not on the agenda so if there are some this is a good chance if not we'll move on the next item we have is peter edelman doing business as you're a west retail partners this is a conceptual discussion and peter i'd actually consider reading it in i've actually just like to open it up and planned but what i what i want to do what i what i'm trying to do is to create some public areas that will work and some entertainment areas that that will work looking to slow down the traffic that there is a connector here but this traffic could come through here it can come down here it really has nowhere to go if you're off me i'd love to see this road go all the way out but i wasn't open up that way right now the only way it can go is this way  down or up and down and then in here i've just seen too many people the way that the mediums are placed in the way the parking is speedy and we've had accidents to create something here that could be a public space that could be utilized part of the appeal here is i got the or myspace i've got a really interesting incubator restaurant that we're looking at doing i here that would want to come out and have outdoor jasa type activity clearly the brewery and the beer garden will bring something over here we have something here that for i do that that i really want to improve upon and then i awfully want to do something here and also bring probably come back at some point have a garden out here in another sort of central city have one two three four and in  wider here and incorporate the existing greeting which is here into that so that there's something of substance one of the pieces i did want to do i mean initially we looked at an ice rink we had an ice rink down here that didn't work for a number of reasons of the town and liability issues maybe it's something we can revisit you should know but in looking at this what has come up there in dealing with that type of guys and one of their owners is is a farmer and he does a lot of green house killing so what i wanted to do was bring in ideally here more of an occupied greenhouse so that i can also part of what we want to do is is tourism base good and from the from the beer the grain leftovers thank him go back into the greenhouse or they can go to the farmers were trying to reuse and utilize everything and make a system that works and by doing this bring in the in and doing retreats with us so i'm looking at something that that's going to bring synergy to everything that we have but that also the public can you know be a part of so not a whole lot changed i will  basically in that zero usage again a really good thing i've got to change my landscaping at some point get away from buildings pulled out so that it's more livable more more shop over more or more usable  buildings really would stay pretty much as they are and the roads and the landscaping would be the biggest change to what could the growing we had that shows  so you you would have come down this way to maybe this would be a this needs to expand to really exit or and enter going this way so it diverts the traffic and you don't have this grid that we had which crews are all really pleased to see that we were a little puzzled by the placement of the ice rink just because it's not in a place that would get a lot of that's true driving to be perfectly honest i mean we're not really sure how people would get the other than across that village green and it seems like it might be better placed somewhere in the crook of building a we're building be like you said you've got an interest  i think you've got parking all around it and by having the walkway from building see which is on the bottom going up that presents a safe corridor to approach it if you're in b you've got your walkways in front of the building you just come straight across and you create a work way and you're right to it and the same for really pretty much any parking quadrant there i think it's very accessible by working around that difficult so if you look at the properties nearby and to the north right now it's common well out his plan to come down through between your buildings  and be here now and really provide them a streetscape for you so associate with that is people coming down from that part parking along there having a lot of exposure for buildings along this front age and having a little more of a public realm right in front of them where you could have patios you can have people looking in the store fronts and i sort of what's in line with the way he sees plan right that's been proposed recently  and it doesn't mean you can't do any you know plaza in this area or even you know anywhere else but that grid you know is really going to be the backbone upon which you can build the rest of your property and also makes it easier to break it up into smaller chunks if you ever did subdivided or want to manage a building separately now it creates that block structure and they say partition makes it easier for people to navigate anything because it's hard to know where to go sometimes to get around this area as a pedestrian or as a car found in a car so those are some of our thoughts and it doesn't mean that it couldn't be done well so i don't doubt the one concern i have from a safety perspective of her road is cars will be going slow obviously and they should see this pressure in crossing by it's an uncontrolled crossing amid lo crossing so if someone isn't paying attention they're not going to be able to see as well if there is someone waiting across coming around the corner on the curb and said i've seen matter many organisations you know where this isn't designed this so the e t c next master plan shows a vision for that area if it's a result of a planning process that has absolutely no regulatory effect on you it's just something that the community has put together as a region so to the extent that it reflects a lot of surveys upon what i think you can hear the community voice through this plan and one thing people said repeatedly is that they want to be able to move a lot around a little bit all due respect to this there is no way financially responsible that i can take or anybody can take the center for the cost that's out there tear down those buildings and try to create the type of building grid that you recognize you're not going to tyrannize these buildings down financially you know that's it so let me clarify the perspective that this gives as this is building from model for a you know one vision for what this could look like based on the princip him plan it doesn't have to look exactly like this it's just trying to show an example of what a street cred would look like but as i said looking at where things are now in your plan  this is not currently effective as far as your plans go but you know there's a proposed building here that could be erased frank or you know there's other places they could go i want this to be different so this particular so we jump in for second peter you've seen what they've done so far in the heat and i'm assuming that you're aware of the d c direction so for what do you see with this plan do you see as either then it is contradictory in that it doesn't have a bridge i think it's a very complimentary and that it gives a sense of community that the plan is is going after trying to fit that sense of point is just i can't think in my lifetime look to change buildings here and make an actual sense and what i would like to see would be something that is more functional from the but the best train standpoint and that brings people in here and keeps them in there right now people are going to know it's it's one point you know shopping  and i think that's part of the vision of the next but  i still hear what is it with all these apartments and you know it's changed you know people concerned that it's changing the character of essex and so there's definitely a need you and i agree on the lead is that it may be quite different from apartments but and that's another issue when there are places within the larger town center the entire town center where some of that kind of development not apartments so much beds but smaller homes retirement homes or first homes can happen but now i mean  and i think the liability gets it done to anyway one of the big issues i think in terms of traffic is people coming in and out from essex way too and over so is there going to be a more can there be a more direct route so that you don't have as much of that through traffic is there a way to do it is is there a way to  how many people really stop them or away stops not very many people stop i mean i see a lot of people a lot of people down there and i think speed bumps or whatever you want to do to slow people down i mean people or everybody's in a hurry given that we're in a sort of conceptual i'm not as concerned about the the detail level of you know signage or speed bumps i think those are all leaving you know that regular were going through it and we showed a big green area in front and this is where we're going to concentrate you know the public space and a plant which isn't a lot closer to the e t c plan when i played it came back and said well you know that that's a great for a pedestrian connection for this building but it kind of leaves this building on the other side of the road in the highway and he said you know if you want something that connects all the building you know he came back and suggested moving the road making this the center so now if you do go to hannover and you go to a building one you know it's an easy walk to get to the center it's fairly easy from this building to get to the center and then obviously you have to pass through so you know he counted and said hey do have a big green area here that can be nice but you're isolated from your other main building so you still got to get across that road so certainly the  part of this plan is the fact that it interconnects the buildings better than than focusing and from what i question the negative part of this plan is is the future connection to comment well you know and we can fix this sort of lines up  like public works it's no big deal i think that the plane missed that portion of the plan when he did but still as you come no comment wolf it's still you know a little awkward you know to get to this portion of the project so we got pluses and we sort of redesign i would expect more traffic coming down commonwealth to peel off and go towards c v s or vice versa so things come across to because you don't nestle have a flow through right now so an item for consideration is that corner by proposal building f and sweetclover that's a blind corner it's a very blind corner right now so that in my opinion would not support an increase in traffic flow that's not on the parcel per se sorry i mean i think that's that's a consideration no matter what we do it for one of the i think you've mentioned it about potential making a connection over towards mcdonald's and being in that world all the way along you know so that means we have more traffic huge and it's not just in the center it's it's the surrounding and it's the getting i think to polish point if we have traffic going around we can't just assume that we're doing it on that and we also have to accommodate the c v s side otherwise we're going to have a huge problem especially if we ever get to point to having a building f and so that was my the commissioners i mean you guys have been silent so far i'm sure you're not having so i want to the point to point guys that goes to  paul's idea because you get more green the bigger green space if you can if you combine the green spaces and you keep a more smooth traffic understand your concern about the they have their own little parking spot behind them to you know so people are going to those buildings they might not actually start or i would be happy with anything but my my comment is that i think keep the smoothest traffic flow through there and combine the green spaces into one larger some of that is the goal is to go by and have more functional free space or and i'm thinking entertainment some entertainment use that i've been looking at the upscale boeing planes for the restaurant component to the game room because that's where the money is made at the at the having seen the change in front of us it's high school personally i don't think what it changed to works is well worth not even a safe is what it was you know the intention was to change it change it to make it safer but that as curve it makes it people are paying so much attention of the curves that i think it's easy to bring out off the top of the road so that's a much more distance i think then this would be so if it's possible this wouldn't have that issue but i'd worry about bigger trees or bushes or whatever they could block that  i do like the ice rink where it's proposed because if done right looking at the picture this is just you know the overall ice rink but if it was like a mini rockefeller center type thing you know when people drive through if it's a yeah are greenhouse or a combination there you know so you're going to catch the attention of people passing by and that mean curves and maybe not coming back that time but maybe another time whereas if you were to hide out back or something you would just get lost and nobody's go and more of a destination so i think you know we want to be supportive in eared of process that allows peter to take some chances and do some things and see how they work can be as long as we're not impacting public safety you know this is got to stop being a graveyard of empty stores and start becoming a place that people want to hang out at you know i go to mad timecode when it's it's not a pleasant place to sit out on the picnic table it's not inviting i want to i want to place where i can go and hang out and have it be welcoming so i applaud you for taking some chances josh you know it's not so i'd agree that incrementalism is probably going to be the way to do it here try something see if it works i'm definitely of the ned school of thought but i think the curve in the road is the whole thing to connect the buildings and in the meantime had the very least dozen experiments i like the idea of having it all know the balance is to be able to get the traffic to flow through without people cutting every which way up in the corners and because if it's too bad they're going to try to cut through all the corners for shortcuts so i think it's a tricky balance that you know they they have to solve or to get to you know at the same time they've got to come up with a a mix of people and stores and all and  shops to make it viable and that's probably in this day and age in this economy that that's the real challenge i think you know we can landscape it move it and all but i think you know the challenge is there for you you know to come up with you know redoing the architecture along the service road because that's exactly the back of those buildings now and you know that's going to be sort of an entryway you no negative was that two weeks ago after meeting i went home to my wife said hey you want to go up your food trucks and go get something to eat because she doesn't really like to cook or anything but some nights  out of the speakers who were playing music was absolutely unbearable i don't even going to question that type of music but it was too loud and i think you have to remember that once you get to eighty decibel levels especially with little kids and maybe building a where you go to building see and maybe the only thing she had three separate destinations currently and they're not tied together it's not it's not i'm going to go over them on the lawn around the just it's not built for that so i like the idea the concept of trying to tie them together so that it makes it easy and and logical to go from one to the other without a problem i do think you need to accommodate the direct traffic to hannover independent of need i believe that there needs to be a logical and easy flow to hannaford other than through the center of this area because face and efforts gets a lot of people just stopping to get groceries they're not there to go to parties and they're not there to wander around a shopping they're there to get their groceries so let's accommodate that as well and that's not detract from you know the the experience of the folks that are there wandering through with the people that are bombing through trying to you know just come back and forth and like let's i think just keeping that as a part of the element and that to me means we allies that back road as much as we utilise the primary road in using the backyard you mean but the whole parcel and if we're going to restrict the traffic there let's give some of the other traffic opportunities outside of that and maybe even don't want to traffic through it's a radical thing because people are creatures landowners and looking at the completion of carmichael which is a major thoroughfare that would bring you around it would be in traffic from that c v s site around to the other side hanford's and maybe give a much better direct f has a plan b which is the the cracker barrel overlay district was one other option for trying to maintain a little bit of the grid layout but still keep but this way i was it is as common law about comes down you could have a corner here that cuts in front of a building bead which would restrict some of the pedestrian you know easy access the way it is now but i might you can still make a crossing there and that would allow your traffic to circulate through here a little more you know it would allow circulation through here but it would definitely slow it down by having to stop at the corner and turn around so that's another option and would also bring more traffic in here for better or for worse and that's something to consider is you think about circulation and you know how you want to bring people into the space and then another thought to consider in the very long term is you've got a lot of space taken up with parking if there's a way to consolidate that into some sort  of parking or underground somehow which is obviously a high cost thing but even if you know two or three story parking structure somewhere on the site would really open up a lot more space for either space or buildings and could serve the entire area not just your site you know obviously there are financial and design barriers that go along the so something that could be explored so i want to be conscious of time and i think this tonight conceptual discussions we don't say yea or nay we give some improvements and since changes i think i mean you've heard i think we've heard some consistent things greenspace pedestrian flow traffic them even if they're not going to completely link up there's got to be synergy between this because that that is a now the resultant of a lot of community effort and community work so it's there and it is what the community wants as of that time i mean that honestly this design might fit in well if it was three reverted with the community process but i also think correctly for re jump in but i think we can make there's opportunity to make this much much more a the synergistic approach and the elements of all that will work paula well quick comment looking at this plan i suspect directs direct traffic to hanford's needs to be accommodated potentially outside of the you know direct throughput or through way through the redesign if at all possible so so yes for five of them might you know just final two senses you know one of the consistent comments we've heard about the town center is the lack of green space and walkability and one of the consistent comments i've heard through the e t c process in the visioning is looking for more green space and walkability so i mean we've got good examples of that you know church street is a prime example of a very you know a decision to make made back in the seventies to shut down the street make it walkable and you could see kind of what's happened there so i mean i would appl the vision of kind of going through that iterative process of adding more green space taking it experimenting bringing in some walkability and seeing the traffic a figure itself out people people will figure out where to park and and how to go who got the agenda twelve corporate drive this is the public hearing proposal to construct a one thousand three hundred square foot commercial building to accommodate technical school and five self storage buildings david so as the applicants know i do want a self storage facility so if they want me to go to the self storage units in the rear the opposite just proposed increasing the size of the will was a commercial building now would be a school and adding a little more parking to accommodate that use and thereby shrinking the grow into each other and problems and future are wise i'm pretty straightforward no concerns  it approved a very similar plan and hector for a number we decided that he was going to go ahead originally he was going to move from his building that some you know behind a vet on the corner he was going to move into into this building having pretty much ballet school was in and at that location they they have their music program they have the art program and they have some physical education there and a couple other you know minor things and so obviously there's a lot of transportation space need to look like and this is what we have you know as a result so basically we have a music room we have in our room we have all a large general purpose room they can do recreational activities and also serve as a  meeting place that has not really a commercial kitchen but a kitchen a similar like you might find you know in a church you know kind of like a community kitchen with regular figure is a regular but they can come in and you know once a month  it looks like the financing is going to work you know for what they're they need to be able to pay and rent and what we need to be able to build the building out and to make it work again you know we're looking at doing more many stories on the back of the building alongside of the main story buildings here and then then you can you come in circulate through the maze or as you go back out the gate will close after about forty seconds when you go back out you pull up to the gate you can either take your access code back to the keypad or if you get within three or four feet of the gate to gate senses or your purse there the game automatically open you go back to the police chief i think you had a comment about i guess in some places people got trapped inside and couldn't says trips to the storage units are one of the lowest traffic generators there are you guys taught me that but you know trucks moving trucks and people coming through that's that school parking lot just something to be the parking is kind of an abundance i think generally they're going to be in that side parking lot or the ones on the side are going to be teachers that are parked and they're not moving for the day a lot of a lot of their curriculum  kids is walking so they really like the fact we can expand that one corporate or we would so they like the fact that there's a little walk down the street are always walking this you know this path anyway and that in the primary hours of the school are basically seventy three thirty the colors of the buildings in this area that i know there's no regulations of what color they you can have developed but i know that the last time they were here when of construction i just want to confirm again oh monday through friday and saturday are no sundays i want to know what the hours of any good stuff some contractors or anything like  that's all we go out you know and i know that fourteen corporate are way over those hours so those are my concerns i have no objection of this project at all i really encourage that if i'm going to have something in the back of my property i want self storage not not in a factory facility this is probably the best thing doors you see more of in the color of the red is the kind of burgundy red that building is so it looks more there's more of that color then there is the tan but the buildings are tan and  struck because it's talking about the distance between trees so doesn't need to be ok so so with those corrections would anybody second the motion if i made one to accept the staff report as written and as amended by you seconded move by david second by tom the corrections offered all those in favor of the minutes as moved and i posed minutes carry seven zero while other and then my other piece of information is seventy three jericho road which is the cheapest subdivision was approved in the mile i was recorded in when it came knew our paper copy just showed the little boxes that said footprint was so what has been the most and recorded i'm looking to ask you to amend so that the chair can resign it units three and four and seven if you were a little bit larger they weren't uniformed with all the others and so three and four went from one thousand two hundred seventy square feet to one thousand three hundred forty five square feet and seventy eight went from one one thousand six hundred sixty five to one thousand nine hundred ten a minor change but because it does a very minor change but because it does require a p c signing the mylar i would just request it could be recreated you know by survey if you needed to and then that gets filed in the land records now in most of the towns it doesn't require that they go back to the planning commission of the deer be you know whichever they have and they sign so the lawyers are fine without having the scenes are blocked because they know it's been approved they just they just want to work or the actual location the actual dimensions of the building and that's that's what's happening here with the first two buildings were built we question was do we need i mean is our practice to sign to have a signature on the myler if that's the case the motion could potentially be just to have the chair sign the milers when that when they committed that would be great because it does the the new legal document i can't think of what it calls for the moment references your last approval which you guys signed and it's been courted in leon record so i think there should be some mechanism that still ties to the last approval where the chair can change  the approval well it's built within the approval but the first mile recorded does show certain dimensions on it and so those dimensions change so that's the only thing that's tripping me  we do in here because the bank is requiring the lawyers are saying you know they're buying a for fred lock and i want to know you know when they buy a regular lot yeah you know what you're buying right so when i buy the first print off the lawyers they are i want to know exactly what my submit a new mylar i think having a mylar that doesn't have continuity back to the others the signature of the chair or think is that provides a continuity or they can put in no i think of a note as they come in each time without having to do this each time that just that has come in and has tied in a mylar that you've already signed for this specific subdivision which has different dimensions than what a new one is being so i needed another subdivision where they're doing this process of malta mylars that those would come back to the correct answer if there's another subdivision and they had to file twenty mylars for that we wouldn't have to go through this this is i've never come across this this is a this is a thinking thing and i don't think tweaking the site plan all they're doing is memorializing the actual as built on the footprint but that we've already approved a mylar in in conditions for footprints so if they if they want to file anybody can file anything in the land records  originally set so if a change and it's is it is minor so i mean for simplicity we did a motion to just love the chair to sign them as they come in yeah i don't think you should sign anything that you have them change their irrevocably offers so it's not pinning it back to approval if if there's an opinion that we don't that it doesn't need to be signed then let's assign it i mean that's sort of what you're saying at all saying and  honestly i didn't get a legal opinion because i didn't i figured just save money and signed my life because i didn't realize that this could be ten we're talking that part and so in the way it's filed in the land records someone will be able to see review i guess the expectations i was a a little surprised based on them you know or any other times i've used them that it didn't take a log and didn't identify me as an individual accessing those documents so that immediately raised the flag to me of all the security we've been talking about and then we could edit edit them but it still was a little legally i don't know exactly how she shared it it could have been one of two ways she could have shared it with a private link so the only way but he'd definitely see them as if they had to or oh yeah but that's that's just to your good for it yeah that's one way i do not know  and and use it and see what else might be a question mark and then maybe tweak it after that so you know another another month or so and just just play with it see what works i think they were they all read that's my download the whole folder and when i make changes today i don't see them you know as if that was my issue but it was a light enough night that that wasn't really an issue that i had the thing i'm putting into my folder and then change that's always how you and i write the year find i couldn't do it i didn't spend too much time on it because i saw it wasn't a big night so i said this probably won't be too much of an issue but i i was having trouble with that thing so i think those are the things like that you we bring those up and i don't need think we need to resolve them right now but definitely and make work flow better but you're not going to get on from one try you're going to need to use it a few times before we know what really is broken and were we're just being stupid you know and we need to get used to it because that happens a lot hell we could heck we could have a staff set up a g mail account so you have a consistent naming convention in a consistent format and then just share out to us from there but again might my have my thinking based on