and how many years the animals probably a little bit more than that seventeen eighteen nineteen years but you've always been an animal person since you were a little little kid write stories that you've told me if and just always works for also works for so you're busy girl you know and just tell us how you were initially started with the with angels for animals i had a very short term of employment with the local humane society and it was a temporary position but i saw all the need there and i was calling people that were on a white list to come in to see the animals and our adoption rate went up to seventy percent and they reprimanded me for that and i thought i can do better on my own so that's after i had my six months was done i went on my own and i have been there ever since and you don't have a facility building and do not have a kennel so what you're doing is you take in animals that need homes temporarily to find homes permit homes for them permanent loving homes i know the way you screen everybody and we'll talk about that but you put your animals in the foster care home so explain t that you would take them in as your own dogs start to potty train them socialize of anything that they needed and then i do all the veterinary work i pay for all that we see that all that's taken care of we spare neuter we do the shots anything else that needs maybe teeth cleaning or whatever else and then you tell me as the foster home what kind of home to look for children no children older people younger people fenced yard  that criteria i put together and then when somebody calls me on the phone i go through a whole bunch of questions and i go through that whether they own an apartment or own a half rented apartment their work schedule do they have a fenced yard children no children and then i do ask for references we check the references and i do reserve the right to do a home check if i think that's necessary and then once all that is cleared we invite you over and say come see in the dog that you're interested in if you have any other animals like cats and dogs normally bring them we'll see if they get along we sit down and talk to them about food about training and about the schedule and probably the most often asked question is how do i potty train this dog because none of the dogs are guaranteed to be potty trained not even if i know they're pretty good we never say that dogs are not guaranteed to be potty trained so then we go through the work whatever they're going to do it but that's normal so i walk people through that and i always tell them if you take the animal home you have any question call me and walk you through it again i don't care how many times i have to tell you the same thing it's ok and then they'll say oh never thought of that or to couple days i'll call back and say you know what that worked so the foster homes you have how many right now only two i could really use more but the people have to be in this area because i need access to the animal and his foster homes is for them to be cared for while you're looking for that is correct so how how would somebody if they were interested in fostering an animal for you how would they get ahold of you well they should call me and i'm sure that they will grab on the number  will be up on the screen and you can call me if i don't answer please leave a message because i'm in and out so much and i do or it's just he says speak clearly leave your phone number two i don't call well about eight thirty i like to get into the bathroom because i have to get up a quarter to five difficult what would you say as far as number goes in the seventeen eighteen years that you were there and how many how many dogs have you fostered quite a few quite a and we take dogs from puppy mills we take them from private individuals lost and found animal control taking quite a few from them and then there are different palms shelters or whatever you want to call them in different states and i have taken some of those also normally it's a crisis situation where they it's a kill shelter and the dog is in danger of being put down so i'll take some of those some of those come sick some of them come with issues i do take a lot of dogs that have problems i have a little three pound food all right now that has a a twist the back leg but he can walk on the leg so and he doesn't know how to eat so i'm trying to teach him how to eat and he's coming along ok but he's it's incredible and we don't want to really go into that right now but what are some of the things you see in the dogs the fear fear fear is the biggest thing and normally of men because some of the  puppy mills that are run by the amish the men grab the dogs by the hind quarters and pull them out of the crates because they are so terrified and i even took one lucy my but sean she was like that she actually had her leg this located his veterinarian and he's coming along quite well we're working real hard on him and i think within the year he will be walking and hopefully the next time when next year when he's on he will be walking tucker came from you yes and but i was i was  talking about zack and it took him three years before he ever kissed me yet you know just loved him and that fed him and petted him and never once even raised my voice at all right and they're so damaged psychologically from even the let's forget about the physical aspects for a moment right psychologically they're so damaged by how they're you know treated these popping pills from a group of people you probably think wouldn't do that but they're just a commodity that's right if they're just on the farm animal that's a business and yet we know the dogs aren't farm animals  r they are emotional beings and they have fear and love and well you don't farm animals are not as bit warm animals they have feelings too you see all these and there are rescues out there for farm sanctuary and horses  re big abuse you can't imagine you know but your pigs and your cows and all these different animals they go through a lot a lot and it's amazing well look what people do to people so there you go to not surprising how they treat some animals right now exactly but what was the worst case you've ever seen of an animal i don't know there have been so many i don't know if there is one i could really we have one now she's a west highland terrier and she came out of a facility in ohio no hair absolutely no hair on her so if you can imagine a dog that looks kind of black like that one over there she was very lost bargee just no no sparkle in her eye no nothing long story short we took her to the vet the vet listened to her lungs and she said levels are not good i don't know what's going on here so we put her through a couple test still don't know but her hair's back she's feeling better she's on good food right so you're given quality food limited allergens like grain and we corn and chicken and then did some of my favorite things like oregano oil and you gave us the combination to bathe the dog which when she came if you could envision this her skin was black and it looked like elephant skin and just really dry really tough and wrinkled just looked like an elephant so you told us what combination to put into the bathwater and we so turned that  that all came off as changed dramatically that yes it did it's amazing when you take the proper approach and go the way the body has been designed to deal with things right the change in the even when i receive tucker from you i don't know if you recall but he had splotches always down to a still no hair on his ears taken to the vet the vet says oh that's a doc's in trait they lose their hair on their ears and i look at him and say ok and then and then within a very short time modifying  in supplements her ears and i don't know if we can see this but here's a dog with hair on his ears and he came to me with none so he's actually changed his actual color he was all black on his back and his once he was fed all those small just came in and his hair got bigger and changed color actually so it's amazing you know there's an old adage you are what you eat and it is absolutely you got it out it wasn't percent you got it you know and people people don't even realize that either you  know they put into their mouth exactly so you know when you when you follow those guidelines you see dramatic changes even in dogs that you think well you know i was told put tucker down when he went paralyzed here well he's still here he's prospering and he's almost getting close to walking i mean there's effort and there's expense and there are all of that but very well worth it to set something or it's effort its effort on your part because you're taking the time to do this to your dog people won't do that they want the short course if it's not healthy and that's not exactly a world that everybody wants instantaneously and you don't happen that way and when you try to do that you actually you actually make things worse and that's what i can say we really take the time legs the poodle that's sitting in my lap she's diabetic i took her from her owner who has since died let's see lucy the sean is laying down on the couch the white dog she came with she was the one that had the bad leg that was pulled out at the he had a hole in the eye and metal and veterinary hospital i have a man come in from i believe philadelphia is a writer i'm a man and he looked at that and he said there's nothing you can do to maintain that eventually  tumor will grow in there it'll burst and it'll kill the dog he said the best thing is to remove the eye and the westy that is on the picture he's my pride and joy of course he's ok he was given to me by a friend and let me see the one on the other end  d so you gladly take those if i have room they might be my thing is i don't have enough foster homes so i've got to move these dogs at a quicker pace than to keep them forever so to speak and to get them into good homes so i'm always either in my car traveling to pick them up going to the vet or whatever and then i'm always on the phone my husband gets quite upset with that because the phone i was always ringing and you know but i've got to talk to people you know you have to talk to can always be there but you have to be there twice a day to give her the shots yeah so so you see a lot of dogs come in with skin conditions and yes it is one of the biggest conditions yeah and you're always working hard to rejuvenate with these dogs let's say that i rescued one and took him home and he was in a fit now i know you're screening processes is tremendous i mean well we don't have a legal contract that everybody signs but there is a provision in there you get a two week  or more i don't really keep you to the strict two weeks because you might need three weeks that before you decide if this dog's going to work for you so give you whatever you think you need and then i keep in contact we see what's going on and if it doesn't work the dog comes back some government that you probably wouldn't give a dog to but i actually had two that could offer me actually three bets three vets adopt from a but you're looking out for the interest of this animal you want them to be loved and integrated and you don't want them to have another trauma by going to a home that doesn't quite fit right so you look at how many children in the house how many animals whether it's a big dog or has right yeah exactly and i look at because you have to fit the animal exact how the family lives  at's real crucial a lot of rescue places you know that they just they're glad to hand the dog off right so most of the problems operate that way you know you come in and you adopt a dog me take it home there's nothing in between and even if three years down the road something happened i take it back i want to do you know want to go into a can or two there is laws in there that says if at any time in the future for whatever reason you call us we take the dog back you have to give us forty eight hours you know but other than that yeah it just tells you that you everything you do is for the regard of credible and a lot of people have said to me over the phone i think that is really great the way you do that because you're really concerned about the animal and if something happens that you never know when you're going to get sick or have to go into a nursing home or whatever happens and if you can't take care of the dog we don't want you giving it back to the pound or to say a neighbor that really doesn't want to or turning it loose or lot of dogs are disturbed that train left exactly so we don't want that work for our dogs so move but a lot of time and money into them getting them to the point where they can go and have a good life you know and over the years i've probably taken back very few but as soon as these people call me and tell me what's going on with the dog i i know instantly they're not happy where they are and i take them back and re home them works every time so your two key foster homes are carolyn cali they've been helping you for y oh yeah well carol's been in this country she's british ten years and she's probably been helping me about eight i think we were talking the other night so kelly's probably about the same to and they are very devoted families i e welcome somebody just time to tell you tell me what your schedule is and we work it out and then you know i tell them you have to kind of train people to to do what you need them to said if you're in a pinch call me but she is very very good and training the dogs and those dogs we actually had a westie train one time by her and she lives in a trailer park and she was you know how those  suitcases you pull behind you she had actually had to westy in there with her head out and they were said margot what are you doing with that dog she's training at the fly and we actually flew that dog i think to massachusetts and it got there five but she didn't make that and actually airline story that she did this as a part time business and she took the dog and she flew it up there on the plane but she said the dog didn't make one that i couldn't believe it i'll tell you what happens a  lot these animals because they have a great sense of intuitiveness and when you're stressed and you're sending that we can call it a bible or narrative you out they pick it up and if you're hyper about when you're on the plane they're hyper about it margot's the type of individual she's very calm and quiet and she holds she carries a dog and the dog sits with their on it your she keeps everything in an even keel and the dog picks that up like you said and the dog that's stuff that's just herbs it's nothing it's not a drug a technique or synthetic thing that's going to hurt them works wonderfully and it's enough to take the edge off and yeah and you know you need to do that because the hungry they get thirsty you know you have to accommodate them on that to go to bat so you know there are certain things you can do that just makes makes it a little bit easier for you and and the animal you know so i know she brought a and i haven't seen it but you brought a little pamphlet with you yes this is put out by the dog law enforcement office the partment of agriculture in the big at the start of the department of agriculture was the was the beginnings of the puppy mill situation yes  but we could talk a whole show by five shows but what i wanted to bring the everyone's attention was they have a few suggestions in here as to how to prevent animal bites a lot of people don't stop to think about these things when they approach another animal and just or in any situation you never want to approach any animal when they're eating and drinking because that's their first and you don't interfere with that you have to let them eat or drink so you never want to do that and you never want to tease or scare the animals because animals protect their own territory their property and their owners especially terriers and people say well i don't know what to do with my dog he's barking at the neighbors or he won't let anybody come in i said well he's protecting his property zack that's what he's doing and says yes exactly you have to be careful and you never want to mistreat or hurt any animal because i'll come get you and she will never pet want to try to stop that because you know you're going to get bit if there is a real it becomes a frenzy exactly and you don't really realize even a little dog like tucker has a powerful job and if you sit there and think of a shepherd or a pit bull or a boxer they have a very powerful job you have to be careful so you don't want to do that leave injured sick or dead animals alone and go get help because when they're injured they go into another mode and it's a protective mode and sometimes they can get vicious especially like deer that strike with your feet and things like that so stay away from those things it's called for the place always always leave wild animals alone we have a lot of people that try to domesticate wild animals like the taggers and the lions and all that i get an awful lot of mail you should see the stuff you wouldn't want to be there i always get a kick out of people to take in snakes where they'd be rattlers or or you know why do you want to animal they can do you it not me i'm not a snake person and never keep wild animals as pets because they're wild animals they were meant to be outside and doing their thing or whatever not not as pets in the house you know even when you bring that up even with dogs you know they have humanistic character characteristics and they have the same emotions and desires we do they want to be comfortable they want to be warm they want to be cool they want to be fed you know all of that they want to be hugged right they're still animals right and tend we tend to try to turn them in the people and they're not we need to work on turning some people and being people not a dog but you know you treat them with love and respect right and they give it right back but they aren't they aren't  keep i think we need to keep in mind that's exactly right so you have to be a little cautious with any animal because it is an animal like you said and they have their their own thinking they protect they guard they love you the enjoy coupon book that yeah you do that you know this time of year we do that and then actually there might be like five people that will send me like fifty dollars a year so i don't get a lot of personal contributions and you could always use those and you could use things  animals and i do have a friend that she does rescue and she'll take anything any kind of food or whatever but i feed my dogs a special food well all rescues yeah you need you need because you're taking them from an unhealthy situation to trying t health and the food is horton is super important you know so would you accept food that's all the quality of the called up and said you know what kind of who can i buy for you yes ok ok if you give one piece of advice to anybody that's interested in adopting and an animal from you or from anybody else what do you think there would be russell terrier hyper big time jumper big time i said if you have twenty eight hours a day to spend with this dog that's the kind of dog you want you know but other not you don't want to jack russell terrier yeah there's so much access with with the internet and researching the breeds and seeing what would fit and whether you have concerns of allergies and and whether you know you live in a small place or a large place you know all of that and you can gain so much of that off place that's dog friendly as they say and see what dogs calm and say how do you like your pitbull you know everybody has a bad connotation of pit bulls with the polls actually wonderful dogs they are treated when they are puppies and so forth but  do the research before you just pick an animal because they have potty eyes or or you know look cute because they do impact your life speaking of hugh we have the breeders now crossing the breed yeah that's anything anytime you synthetically do anything all right and we do appreciate what you do for the animals and they do as well thank you thank you so much for being on let's talk healthy pets will see you again and everybody thank you so much for watching the show and please god help now will help jesse