tour on may thirtieth of two thousand and two what according to the trustees testimony about how it was signed the signing took place in early may and was w attested to the date of april twenty second so there is a lot to question about what is the genesis lineage how did this document come into the well here when you refer to the correct so the only evidence that would be available regarding a tiriel seal would indicate that it was signed on analyze it at this point is there's a two step process first stage being determining whether there was some evidence of each element of play to play this parameterization case and that's what ruling is made as a matter of  just explain that it's important because the court and the defendants really rely entirely for their for their validation of their trust they rely entirely on to one document or another and it happens in this case that we are expert testified that the first ten pages of defendants on that are first generation prince but the last page is a signature page we also have  on actually come up with this particular draft but at least based upon the dynamics of the relationship between the parties that's correct your so  nine percent interest in the company so patricia was concerned that he and her brother were going to be taken care of well enough well there actually the pyramid trust kevin has every motivation to sign a trust because has used that he used that for for all purposes he submitted that trust to lincoln financial with applications citing him cations you know is verifying that the attached is the is the trust and it was the cleaning services to her beginning in two thousand and three mindy until he died that patsy provided the airmen with her then existing estate planning documents and museum review the documents and took notes contemporaneously with her  in during her presentation of pap now not only trustee the application identifies hats i only dated for twenty two to you with kevin is trustee as opposed to owner and beneficiary i'm a sixty thousand into the insurance company issue point cleanness from hearing that the help of iowa is a fabricated document simply won't support a trial there was no evidence clinton present any evidence from her expert or it or otherwise that the signatures on the first ten pages of the documents there were certainly no there was no evidence presented that the signature page of the house while my late came from another document that contained different substantive terms than my going to the bone island did you s that messages what is february fourteenth two thousand and three marie and then call patricia and patricia wanted her to fax a draft of  what i think the other thing that was mentioned is a trust being provided to the insurance company i believe is all i was camelot as testimony was she never got  one year later or was it into my two thousand and three still haven't received a copy and i don't believe there's any evidence that any trust other than your interest was ever sent to make no i'm talking my point about mr cuomo was why would he have written a letter on may thirtieth that was so obviously requiring a response before finalizing the draft we