city council we're glad that you are in chambers at this meeting this evening or perhaps watching on this meeting at home or on a computerized device of some sort we are also tonight beginning our discussion about the proposed budget that has been presented to the city council by the city manager we started that process at about six thirty five thirty rather this evening and once this meeting is concluded we will continue that process will also have another meeting  talking about similar topics related to the proposed budget for the upcoming fiscal year tomorrow evening and depending upon how those discussions go we may also can have a third such meeting on monday night this coming monday night all of those meetings happen at five thirty they happen in the training center of this building which is city hall to the second floor bottom line if you get to city hall which those of you in chambers have already done you can get to the training center pretty easily the toughest parts getting to city hall  but we certainly invite everyone or anyone from the public to participate and and learn about those processes for the upcoming fiscal budget the total budget between the board of public works and the general city of holland for the upcoming fiscal year starting july one of twenty fifteen is proposed to be over two hundred thirty three million dollars so it's some serious money that is being discussed and looked at and certainly we invite the public to  to participate and see that also one final thing out before we get this meeting going the full provide full proposed budget as well as the city managers introductory memo to that proposed budget is available at the city's web site city of holland dot com city of holland dot com it's front and center on the home page it's a downloadable file though i would encourage you to have high speed internet access because it is a sizable file i think it in total is over five hundred fifty pages so it's it's a decent sized with lots of information about not only the upcoming budget priorities for the coming fiscal year but as also some historical trends and other stats and information about the operation of the city of holland so with that before we can conduct we have a cormier all right thank you we begin tonight meeting as we begin all of our meetings with two items this evening our prayer will be led by our colleague councilwoman nancy de boer mediately thereafter we will have the pledge of allegiance to the flag for those who are in chambers i would invite you to stand  join us in both of these items so we pray i have only five you know that over two thousand years ago you were thinking about whether you had had a spring break you were on a mission we have no idea what it felt like to place a judas in the womb of his mother what it was like to engineer the politics to put pilot in charge of jerusalem how it felt to watch the tree grow that would become your cross or to form the iron that would be the nails that pierced your hands but we do know your reason for doing and you did that because you loved us so much we pray that you will help us to respond in gratitude to you today and every day that our lives may reflect your chlorine we all know how much you care about each one of us you son's name we pray there are copies of this evening's agenda located paper copies i should say of this evening's agenda located in the rack in the rear of the room if you're in chambers tonight additionally the the full agenda as well as all of the background material that council has reviewed in preparation for this evening's meeting  can be found at the city's website against city of holland dot com if you're in chambers and need wireless access we do have it in the building there may be a password required and if you need that password grab a city staff member or technology services directors pete wave you can certainly get the password from him if you'd like it but you can look at all of the items that we've reviewed in preparation for the seedlings meeting you'll note that there are a bunch of them tonight that have an asterisk next to them these are items that are  the consent agenda meaning that they are relatively routine or have been previously discussed by counsel and our intention if they're on the consent agenda is to handle them collectively one motion one vote regardless of where it shows up on the agenda now because we think that they may be routine may not mean you think that they're routine in fact you might be in chambers tonight specifically to have one of those items and to comment on one of those items so the process we will follow is this i will ask in a moment the deputy city clerk to read for us the items that are presently on the consent agenda after she does that i'll provide some further instruction as as to how we can amend that consent agenda so and if you'd read for us what is presently on the con item eleven eight to accept in file executed oaths of office item fourteen a one in thousand one in a to accept in place on first reading ordinance amendments to section nine dash six protection of a landlord notice of lease and security deposit and section nine dash eleven tampering with meter device theft with final adoption scheduled for may fourteenth two thousand and fourteen for the holland board of public works item fourteen eighty two to approve an agreement with on line utility services in the annual estimated cost of eight hundred fifty five dollars for a risk assessment screening service to assist in determining deposit requirements for new customers in accordance with the how important public works policy item fourteen eighty three to approve a four year contract with tele works incorporated to replace its current credit card vendor and to provide additional credit card payment services at the customer service center for the board of public works i an important team b one and item nineteen be to accept in place on first reading of ordinances to amend section twenty dash for discharge of firearms and two amendment for section seventeen requiring licensing of indoor archery and firearms shooting ranges i had imported see one to approve an agreement with the city of allegan police department for the use of the seat belt convincer during tulip time and michelle knight out as part of the home public safety efforts to provide in part educational component to all attending the events i had in fourteen c two to approve a lease agreement with granby of the state university for five you be a cause to be utilized in connection with the grand valley state university police academy and that g s you pay the city five thousand eight hundred thirty dollars item fourteen do you want to refer a claim filed against the city to the city's insurance carrier answer the attorney for consideration item fourteen four point one an item nineteen see to adopt a resolution and accept him place on first reading of ordinance the establishment of the volunteers policing service program currently being trained and fitted to assist the police division with parking violations with a final reading to be held on may fourteenth two thousand and fourteen item fourteen eve five point two two adapt the resolution a resolution to present the proposed annual budget for fiscal year two thousand and fifteen and to schedule a public hearing for the me fourteen two thousand and fourteen council meeting for public comments on the budget item fortini five point four two approve of we welcome a license agreement with coops at ninety seven productions court for underground fiber optic line item fortini five point five two accept the proposal and the not to exceed amount of forty two thousand eight hundred dollars to prepare the environmental close out materials for the former st department site to be funded from the centralized vehicle equipment planned and item fourteen e file point six to approve a contract with manpower for services in association with how and use connection summary job program effective meet for through september thirtieth two thousand fourteen subject to approval as to form by the city attorney all right thank you and that is what is presently going to be handled with one motion and one vote unless someone chooses to do something differently there are two ways to do that the first  is in a moment i will invite anyone from the audience who would like to remove an item from the consent agenda to step forward to the podium of the microphone and tell us which item you can describe it or you can do it by agenda item number that you'd like removed and i would invite anyone from the audience who would care to do so at this time to step forward any other items to be removed say none any member of council cared to remove one or more items from the consent agenda what is the pleasure of council on the amended consent agenda motion to move but support supported by de boer is there discussion which is the community development block grants annual action plan and a reposed fiscal fifteen year fiscal fifteen use of indian boy easy for me to say use of the entitlement funds joel please get up here and save me from this site i'm told i form the community and neighborhood services department as well as the city b g granted ministre her is here tonight we welcome you good evening mayor and city council as the mayor just mentioned for those who are watching at home let me reintroduce myself my name is joe di i'm the community development coordinator for the city of holland and this evening we are here to receive comments and we guard to the fiscal year fifteen community development block grant consolidated plan and financial or funding allocations i would like to be clear that tonight we are not approving the plan or from the allocations we are only here tonight to receive comments from people in the audience this year we will be receiving three hundred thousand four hundred fifty two dollars from the federal government we are going to reallocate seven thousand four hundred thirty four dollars of unspent funds from previous years and we are going to include two thousand six hundred fifty three dollars and forty five cents in program and come from the previous  this total is a total fiscal year fifteen budget of three hundred ten thousand dollars five hundred three hundred ten thousand five hundred thirty nine dollars and forty five cents the neighborhood improvement committee is a group of citizens that are appointed by the mayor and approved by city council to handle neighborhood issues one of their tasks is they have to make a recommendation to city council on how to spend this three hundred ten thousand dollars for next year they're hundred forty four dollars there intice a painting that they will be able to help sixty homes in the city of holland the recommending that good samaritan ministries neighborhood connections program which works with ford neighborhood groups to address issues in the neighborhoods receive forty five thousand dollars for the work that there are they're doing in the neighborhoods they're recommending that the fair housing center of west michigan receive seven thousand two hundred dollars to provide fair housing services on behalf of the city of holland and they're recommending that the city of harlem program administration receive fifty two thousand seven hundred ninety five dollars to oversee this program submit the required the ports to hide and so forth again tonight is just  public hearing we will be coming back to city council at the may fourteenth meeting where this will be approved and then will submit these allocations to hide in detroit for their review and approval and we start the program on july first two thousand and fourteen are there any questions from council on these recommendations that are coming from the neighborhood improvement committee the questions from counsel i would note that there is some information now on the screen related to essentially what joel just talked about so if anyone has questions on numbers or would like to see it visually presented there's a bit of a way to do so now and the questions for joel all right thank you joel appreciate that this is the time in the place for the public hearing on the twenty fifteen c allocation proposal or our plan and we will open up the public hearing at this time if you would like to comment on this plan we ask you step forward to microphones that everyone can hear what you have to say the rules of council are relatively simple please state your name and eventually address for purposes of the record and you will have up to five minutes to address council and we have a system in place that when you begin speaking there will be a green light that will appear right in front or beneath me it stays green for four minutes at the four minute markets turns yellow and in the five minutes or expired it turns red so with that the public hearing is open and anyone who wishes to comment on the proposed budget allocation can do so at this time pl seeing none we will close the public hearing and is there any action we need to take tonight no except for information or anything like that all right very well well we will then look for a final approval on that upcoming  proposed budget at our next meeting great thank you joel we go into four be our eight b rather which is a four twenty five agreement between the city of holland and holland charter township and for this we will turn to the city attorney i footprint of the property in question and i don't know greg if you have a slide of that for tonight that might be helpful for the council the  footprint for the four twenty five agreement is essentially the area that the b p w has been acquiring property in connection with the gas plant the reason  this type of agreement is necessary is really to bring the area east of fair banks in the area of the four twenty five everything east of fairbanks ave currently located in the holland township fairbanks ave is the but dividing line between the city of holland on the west and holland township on the east councils had some experience with four twenty five agreements this is a mechanism that is available under state law whereby two governing jurisdictions can enter into an agreement whereby property is transferred into a receiving jurisdiction from another jurisdiction for purposes of economic development that was the purpose of four twenty five was really to allow  cities and townships to agree on economic development projects that have a substantial magnitude to them so that it can really enhance the overall area the city council has an agreement before it tonight this greenman provides that if the council approves this and how and charter township approves that  after a period of approximately thirty days we will be back before you with what are called transfer resolutions those transfer resolutions would be adapted by holland charter  township transfer in the property to the city of holland and the city of hama then adapt a resolution which would essentially receive the property from holland charity township at that point in time the four twenty five agreement ends the property would be fully within the city of holland what that means of course is that all of the municipal services that the city of holland offers police fire  snowplowing street maintenance all of the typical miniscule services that are provided by the city would be the obligation of the city in the area of the four twenty five now just looking ahead to here it's anticipating that once the four twenty five in the transfer resolutions are completed council will with the planning commission will be going through a process of  plan approval for the new gas plant there will also be street vacations that will be necessary for fourth fifth sixth st based upon the staging in planning of construction here as the council can see from the layout plan we have some develop streets sycamore street some of the others that are basically paper streets within the plat and you would be going through a vacation process involving those streets to really establish a unified parcel for purposes of the gas plant project i must say that just very abbreviated that how an township has been a great partner in this project i think they realize the importance of this gas plant within the economic development not only of the b p w but also how in charity township they see the area wide benefit that is available  by the struction of this plant and i really can't say enough about how their staff and you know generally their planners and everyone else have to have work w us and trying to put this together so we have prepared for the city council tonight in a resolution the resolution would indicate that we've conducted the requisite public  hearing it provides the legal description of the four twenty five area and the drawing that is on the screen ahead of you also it would approve the four twenty five agreement with the factual findings that are indicated by the statute relating to the economic development growth and other considerations that the statute provides so that is  really the culmination of an effort really with the land acquisition process that we've gone through here to bring the parcel under unified jurisdiction for purposes of building  right thank you mr city attorney any questions for the city attorney or mr prosser for that matter of the board of work seeing none this is scuse me saying this is the time and place for the public hearing on this item same as before if you'd like to address this item please step forward to the microphone and podium the public hearing is now  whiteman is there discussion among the council seeing none please call the real your theory yes yes yes yes white man yes extra yes clam pairings yes sure yes mayor dexter yes motion passes all right thank you we go then to item twelve which is communications from the audience this is the opportunity for members of the audience to address the council on anything that does not otherwise show up on the agenda so if you're here to talk about something that isn't on the agenda we invite you to do so at this time and by stepping forward to the microphone microphones open seeing no one we will then move on to the item that was removed from the consent agenda fourteen be one ordinance text amendments related to going to archery and shooting ranges this is on first reading and by way of process for ordinance to be passed and take effect it has to be go through a first reading and a second reading and before the second reading there is a required public hearing that happens before that but perhaps no mark or phil would like to give us a brief introduction of this item which comes to us as recommended below by the planning commission mark renner blue will step forward to a microphone and mark is a plan amendments that would establish a process for reviewing the special land uses and also specific standards for the review of indoor archery and firearm ranges those are all amendments zoning ordinance being chapter thirty nine there are also proposed amendments to section twenty dash for a section of the city code dealing with the discharge o requirement that the indoor archery and firearm ranges have to comply with a requirement regarding noise and that would be in chapter nineteen of the city code so i guess l l l asked the marrow how in depth you would like staff to get this evening or like us to get to see evening if you'd like the thirty thousand square foot level of you or if you'd like  dive a little deeper i given that this matters on first reading tonight perhaps a brief introduction would be good and in this information is also on the city's web page so it's available for review in that fashion also very good  so that really kind of the genesis of this whole matter again came from a local business an established business the bullet hole gun shop which has a store up on the seven hundred addition to their building such as that to say it was determined that any discharge of weapons in a business like that would not be lawful in the city even we we kind of found some other things out along the way also some things that are also not allowed to be discharged as far as firearms in the city the the owner of that business mr ben phillips than approach city council and asked you if you i'd be willing to start a process of looking at a change to our city ordinances that would then subsequently allow for an indoor shooting  range council then referred this to the planning commission with instructions to study the situation and look at whatever requirements and regulations that the planning commission felt might be  needed to regulate a business like this and so forth so really starting in february the planning commission started a study in a review process we had  much input from the city attorneys in a special attorney that was assigned to the case to help us and subsequently we had the required public hearing last evening in and we have these recommendations for you this evening i'll be real quick what you have here tonight is a a propose recommendation to create a new section seventeen one which is a section that would provide for special land uses we do not specifically have those  interzone in ordinance right now however we do have similar discretionary review standards and they go by the name of special exceptions and there's probably some other things that we call them in the zoning ord also and this is a discretionary review procedure that's allowed for under state enabling legislation for the nyssa pale ities and townships to use so the planning commission is recommending that we establish that review procedure planning commission is also recommending that to go along with the special land use kind of general standards that we have specific standards that appl indoor archery and firearms ranges and some of those specific standards range from requiring that any such  of a no brainer there also would be a requirement for noise in the planning commission talked quite a bit quite a bit about this last evening and  and we initially staff initially offered up a sixty decibels threshold and planning commission had quite a bit of discussion on that in ended up making a recommendation to go with the eighty five decibels for that and i understand you had some discussion about that earlier this evening too and there are some other specific standards that would go with an indoor shooting range also there's also some conditions occupancy and the operation of such a business and those are included in the for poles will additionally the planning commission is recommending that as a special land use these uses be allowed in the c one district the sea to the sea for districts in the i won industrial district and then also briefly touched on before that they have a proposed changes to section twenty dash four which deals with the discharge of firearms and really what they're saying is we ought to add some additional exceptions to that to allow police officers to discharge their weapon in the line of duty if need be a more current ordinance believe it or not does not have that exception in there i think it's kind of just understood that police officers can do that but it's not in this particular ordinance and we want to want to correct that but also specifically would allow for authorize military people if need be range that is licensed by the city that would also be an exception in in the and then the current ordinance you're allowed right now to discharge a weapon if you're lawfully hunting in the city and there are some areas that are zoned agricultural and do meet the state requirements for hunting and so people can legally do that in a very limited area of the city from what i understand and then real briefly a planning commission is recommending that indoor firing ranges be added to the list of businesses that require an annual business license and then we're looking at the changes to chapter one thousand which is the the nuisance ordinance  soap specifically putting a requirement in there for a not to exceed threshold of eighty five decibels as far as the ways is concerned so there really probably went on too long with that really there's a lot of information here a lot of text amendments but they're kind of in a nutshell is what planning commission is recommending right thank you mark or other questions for mark at this point seeing specific question particularly pertaining to the peace officer in the line of duty does the state not have legislation already on that we're just picky tailing that  or for we discovered we had a conflict of interest on this we looked at that question and we believe there is sufficient statutory authorization for a peace and deputized to use a gun or a firearm in the course of their law enforcement duties i think what mark is really doing tonight is perhaps just cleaning up something that's already fairly obvious and the state statutory provisions would really govern even though the zoning ordinance or chapter twenty may have some kind of limitations police officers that would be consistent with the statutory duty that they have correct any of the questions all right i think we you know certainly allow comments on this but before we do that for final approval assuming it moves forward this evening there will be a public hearing on it at that point but certainly if you're here on this one tonight you came out and want to have the option to have some comment that if you'd like so please step forward the microphone name residential address and up to five minutes address the concentrated if you donate forty five e state street and a neighbor of this business and i'm not here to speak against the business or where they're at with their proposal i think that they really identified and addressed a lot of the questions that planning commission has had in council members and other people in the community have had about safety environmental concerns noise so i think that they've done a great job and been phillips and i have known each other a long time so i respect him as a business person and as a as a community neighbor because of the extensive discussion last night of planning commission i felt that there was additional discussion may need to go on with this especially with relating to the decibel levels and the attorney that was here last night spoke saying once you set it at this level you can't go down but if you sit at this level you can always go back up so it was interesting to hear that there was an opportunity maybe to start some place and move somewhere else with it so that was one part of it as also comments last night about do we make this a prescriptive ordinance we say this is the way it is or is a subjective and you work it out with neighbors talking to neighbors so there was a lot of conversation about how do we enforce this even if there is noise and is someone going to go out each year when you get the application for the license and measure that deci level right now it seems that the relationship is going to be ok between the business owner and the current neighbors but that is a mean that the next neighbor might think differently and say well this is this is not the correct business not the crowd noise level whatever so i think that and because this is a c one district means it's close to residential think we should look at this very carefully just address all those questions early on and the staff has done a great job of researching other businesses that are similar to this across the country and in the area so i think they've really covered most of this but because of those questions that came up last night at planning commission i felt that it was worth having some additional discussion maybe even bring it to one more study session to address some of those questions get those things figured out before you amend the ordinance so that request my thought is that maybe it goes for a little bit more discussion before you go into the first reading of this and and then take it from there and if anyone has questions or in their couple council members were you were there last night and a couple of council members were also sitting in listening to the conversation so they would be interesting to hear what everyone thinks about that so who thank you thank you very much yes assuming a move forward this evening it's on the it would then automatically be set for the next regular meeting for second reading approval was a public hearing i do believe the end to the intent is to have this on these thirty second agenda for next week correct next wednesday the twenty third that's what it is the twenty  third so no action would be taken on the twenty third but it would be the opportunity for questions comments to be raised by members of council to think through it before it is put on the agenda the week following for final approval again assuming it moves forward this evening remains open for anyone in the audience who would care to address the item good evening and welcome many with michelle burnette i live at seven fifty b c street it's actually right across the street from where the bullet hole is located i want to start by saying that i am against the location of the proposed shooting range it's in the middle of an established neighborhood in the heights and surrounded on three sides by homes and families i'm not against the gun shop i think it's scary but i am against location of the shooting range a family neighborhood isn't a place to put a shooting range especially one so close to an elementary school it's the elementary school is actually point three miles away from the shooting range i was also wondering what the effect would have on our property values so i spoke with a licensed realtor and  he informed me that our property values would go down significantly by having a shooting range in our neighborhood so i asked him the price that he thought it would be and if his potential buyers would have paid and he a home in a neighborhood with a shooting range he said that the property values we go down from five thousand to ten thousand and that his clients would definitely have an issue with buying properties that were close to a shooting range and which really affects their home right across the street but one other thing i wanted to talk about was the last council mean that you had you talked about graffiti and you actually passed an ordinance that stated that  you gave permission to a certain group allowed to go on to private property to fix graffiti because it's decreasing your property value and encouraging violence in within there within a community but is an issue can range doing the same thing  it's decreasing our property values and it's increasing and encouraging violence because you're shooting guns in a neighborhood so i would just ask to put you're here to put yourselves in the president's shoes of the heights and would you want to live near a shooting the street i can tell you that the mechanic that struck the cross the street has been one of the best neighbors helping me when i locked my keys in my car got a flat tire and wanted a dead battery but a c one neighborhood commercial district is intended primarily to meet the neighborhood shopping and bourke merchandising needs of a particular residential area we were in support of the gun shop in the beginning we are not in support of a shooting range we are proud to be supported tonight here by some of our neighbors they are neighbors we hope to supply with fresh eggs in the future due to the back yard decision made by the council last time but i believe in being a good neighbor being a good neighbor makes your neighborhood a better place to live some of the best benefits include the comfort of knowing what is happening in neighborhood being in the flow of information the security of knowing you can rely on people for help people who can keep an eye on things and who will watch your property when you're gone and the personal pleasure that comes from being around people you like and your friends with and the identity of being part of a neighborhood group rather than just residence i originally being a neighbor when i heard  about this from the very beginning i just shot an email to the owners of the bullet hole inviting me to come over and just have a conversation and they made a lot of promises from the beginning that put me at ease but dennis johnson one of the founding partner of the bullet hole promised city council members that their brains would be engineered and built in such a way not only to prevent erin shots from leaving the facility but also to squelch the noise of firearms being shut off quoted by saying the building itself is basically a concrete bunker following that level is unacceptable to me i hate the fact that they're going back on the word already the sound of gunfire on night is not a sound that fits into a neighborhood the same way we talked about having public urination ordinance we have my biggest concern is the health hazard of lead lead is particularly harmful to the rapidly developing brains and nervous system of fetuses and young children this harm has been well studied in actual human cases not mere theoretical calculations animal studies or academic conjecture because ledes settles on clothing shoes and accessories worn or used at the range the families or of persons who work at or use firing ranges are also subject to take home exposure to lead dust this can be caused by secondary lead poisoning particularly in children shooters can even contaminate their children's clothing by washing them together with their with their clothes that were at the range melting lead produces a few much you can remain airborne for several hours as easily inhaled and can contaminate surfaces and i just want to say there was a daycare center in clearwater florida that was forced to close and children were required to have blood test after it was discovered in a neighboring indoor shooting range was venting led can tame and even to the playgrounds area besides poisoning kids and others shooting ranges are also wrecking the environment at a prejudiced pace my main concern is that there's a lack of science behind this i feel like this this entire move is being pushed quite quickly it's kind of being pushed through this and i think it requires more conversations my main concern is that this is being accepted in a c one neighborhood commercial development i would hope that that at least amendment could be changed i appreciate the time to speak again thank you thank you microphone is still open it seems to me there's got to be a better location than a neighborhood place have a business like that and i'm not against people having weapons i'm not against about oh it's been a quiet business that it was there before it's not a problem but having a shooting range in that particular area in a see one environment whether it's right next to my house or it's next to somebody else's house doesn't make a lot of sense certainly there has to be was made primarily to accommodate the bullet hole that's all i have to say thank you thank you right well we have a motion to place on first reading which would then trigger the study session next week and the public hearing for two weeks from tonight is there discussion among counsel at this time please i certainly want to thank the people from the holland heights area for coming forward and voicing their concerns two christmases ago you know i'm not a gun advocate at all but my two daughters one was nineteen and one was twenty in their grandfather myself we went away i mean to do is shooting in range over there and it was a great experience on the other hand when i look at decibels firearm just charges a different than a lot of other noises it puts people on edge as they hear them in the night time of the day time or whatever and so it might said well how the police department they have there is their own it's you know it's ok but that's not a residential area in the same kind of thing that holland says and i think that we have to really take a closer look not only at the c one but also at the does civil level plenty commission talked about balls then talked about unlimited then they talked about sixty sort of decided on eighty five well why not eighty five i think we need to study this we need some sound engineering who understands sound energy and all that kind of thing it's there's volume versus noise and i think we just need some more good information before we make a final decision but as it stands right that process allows the this further discussion is you've heard it's not a done deal tonight so we're going to be looking at it live another week in the would be lucky if you have another week and within that time period there's a ample opportunity for us to flesh out and flush out some of our concerns and gather more information which is what i'm looking forward to so no one should be under the illusion that this is a with the expectation that we're going to digest this a little farther and perhaps the final product may look a whole different than well tonight who know us but at least this gives us the opportunity to move the that at least i know one of you knows that i appreciate the input and if you have any other comments concerns don't hesitate i'm going to e mail address i've got a phone number as  said this has been discussed many many times and it will be discussed more we don't take this lightly there may be differing opinions that's what makes america great no it's what makes the first war great  thing i appreciate i've said it many many times when the first war gets behind something one way or the other they let it be you know so thank you from a divorce thank you for coming and i definitely understand what you're saying and i really don't think eighty five decibels is responsible in the neighborhood and we definitely need to discuss this more i will vote for this to go through on the first reading but that could be the last yes you hear from me depending on how else we discuss these other parts of the of the ordinance this further two weeks from that tonight it will be on the agenda for final approval i will be here may fourteenth i think is our next meeting or you're right i'm sorry to time kicks in may fourteenth my apologies so it's three weeks technically from  tonight so may fourteenth is when it will be on the agenda for second reading and approval it will be on the agenda does not necessarily mean it gets acted upon it that evening certainly any of the typical parliamentary procedure matters related to tabling and the like can certainly be an option for the council as well but it will be placed on the agenda for the may fourteenth meeting so with that thank you for being here tonight and that concludes the discussion on that particular matter for this particular meeting so we move on then to item five you know we move on then two communications from the city manager this evening i have none for this so you upstairs in a few minutes right communications from the mayor right i'm sixteen tonight the only thing i guess i would say since this is our final meeting before two of time at least televised is come out support the festival welcome our guests who come to town and there's lots of work being done on the spring cleanup still so give the crews some give me a break a little bit as the saying goes they're working hard and i'm sure they'll have the streets cleared by the time that tulip time kicks and be a good festival i think we'll see if we have some flowers i'm sure we will as the temperatures begin to warm up above freezing so anyway that's what i've got tonight will twenty two to be specific is earth day and we had an initiative you've seen it all in your calendars on the third sunday of every month posted something called the put club very simply pick up trash anybody can become a member of it you're out on your walks i know my neighbor pat does quite a bit of walking around the neighborhood i go  walk in walks stick a bag with a little trash bag you see some trash on the ground pick it up put it in a bag throw it away anybody can become a member so specifically the kickoff is going to be or the heavier kickoff is going to be next week tuesday earth day so just get out meet your neighbors have some discussion about guns whatever the case may be fresh and clean up the neighborhoods we got to a time coming collins always been known as a clean community let's make sure it is so but club anybody can be a member and i'm looking forward to it mike one thing you can find for those interested on the planning commission discussion last evening who were not here for it's the meeting will be placed i believe on the city is the meo page and to get that before we get to dual time we get to fiesta so the first weekend in may the civic center a lot of good activities good food come down pointed a gentleman to the wrong committee mr wesley magee was to be appointed to the international relations commission which is where the term expired june thirty twenty fifteen not the h r c so the i r c vs the h r c and we'd ask reading we took it off thank you thank you very much ordinarily the first reading item nineteen is covered by consent but that was removed so we do need to look at the first reading of ordinances nineteen b and