good evening sorry for the delay welcome to the jew media the richmond development review board we have  o applications on the agenda plus a sketch plan which is on the agenda but is not what we call born here so the first hearing is seven also pursuant to vermont state statute if you wish to be interested party in an application you need to give evidence b sing something on the record richmond for twenty one years thirty three years so the problem i have is we have a six foot diameter middle  culvert in my driveway it contains the johnnie brook that allows my driveway to go over generally broke and it was designed with a spillway that should there be more after a certain period of time it's all corroded and scouring has is starting to occur washing out the bottom and washing up to the sides and then i end up with these big sink holes all the way down to the bottom and then i end up filling them back up and that's fine until the next couple years and then i'm going to do it again if there's another flood so the time and the other thing about the culvert is it's a two sections it's twenty eight feet long each section is fourteen feet and it's connected in the middle by a metal band and what's happened is with the scouring underneath the outlet end of the collar this thing down  and it actually is raising up in the middle so it's actually making the whole problem accelerate it's its destruction so what i'd like to do is put in a the abutments are going to be set way off the stream bank it makes life a lot easier with the governing agencies the environmental protection agency and so forth if i stay out of the stream know what i intend to do is open up the stream channel to its normal channel with which is sixteen to twenty feet and then with the abutment set further back have a two to one slope of to contain the abutments and all of where all the way around so the problem was how to size this bridge and the first thing i was thinking about was well how much what's the low grade and the load rating determines the size of the beams and the steel i beams are really what you would dictate stream three tenths of a mile from upstream from where i am and that's the town bridge on the richmond heinsberg road and it's only twenty feet long and four and a half feet above the stream channel so i decided to make my bridge the same height off the stream channel that by making it thirty six feet what it does is it gives me the full twenty foot with like the bridge like the town bridge but the other sixteen feet are sloped back so the net result is i can pass thirty percent more water than the  upstream so knowing that the bridge will be thirty six feet now i have to figure out the size of the beams and what the load rating should be and i decided i would go with the state h twenty load rating which is for a twenty ton vehicle even and really that's with with them a lot of safeguards built so i was able to find a design guide put out by the vermont transportation agency several years ago that w put together by a group of engineers for a timber deck bridge such as the one i'm building and in that they specify a load table for the size of the beam in the span that you're you're going to be using so i looked at that table and from there i can figure out what what size beam i could use and that that table was designed for in each twenty  talking to the fire chief he has a requirement that the bridge be fourteen feet wide and be able to handle thirty six thousand  so my bridge will be able to handle forty thousand according to the age twenty rating but really you could handle it much much more and for the dac i'm also in this design guide they put together which i can show you i have it here that it's a timber deck in they did a nail laminated what they do is they take two six boards on end and nail into each one and if you could build the whole length of the deck that way the whole thirty six feet i'm going to do something similar at least that's what i in my plan but there's also other options like doing a glue lambeck which is the same thing they put it on the end but they blew the pieces instead of a nail what it allows me to do as is by these panels require several nail guns and so forth but the other way is to use larger timbers you know a four by eight or ten and just put those down with what's with runners on top but all of these timbers will be pressure treated and they will be bolted down with large dome head bolts they look like carriage bolts but they're much much bigger they're all galvanized anytime you use pressure treated you want to use galvanized or stainless steel so these will all be bolted right down to the to the steel i beams and then the i beams themselves will be bolted down to the apartment steel i beams and then i have a lot of people wanting to help build this french so we'll do the deck and the the i beams will be a fifty steel which is the standard for and you have the clerk if you require a letter did you require a letter from the fire chief or we're just going to go with i just where the letter from the fire chief but did you go out there with plan that every one of the state officials that has looked at this loved the idea of opening up that channel and letting that stream just flow s of the motion so we have forty five to get you days to get you decision will try to do it sooner we have to write up the circular saw for four of us are with the richmond land trust and mark is the school district who'll be a user of the property looking to install a post with a four foot galvanized fence if there was some sliding last winter we acquired it in december and knows letters made it in my view of it grover engineering has engineers the driveway and the parking lot and you have large companies and small companies of  the plan calls for there's a there's a small very intermittent string that we will be crossing yesterday when we did our site visit after the heavy rains the culverts can fail over time but use large stone in there with a membrane material over that and then the driveway material above that to get to the parking lot on the side of the parking lot there will be a drain that will be draining the i guess the a portion of the parking lot and the hill away from the parking lot down into the into the ones we are not looking to disturb the wetlands other than to install the driveway much of the parking lot and organise the parking lot as is our out of the ones so we began we were looking at the narrowest point to enter the property and install parking on all this construction is on property owned by the original interest we are entering the state highway at the on our property we have and the agency of transportation has review our application and has not approved for a curve that has not approved it but yesterday in the presence of the planning office and asked if the police chief had concerns about the polls or why didn't i didn't narrow it down to anything other than the proposal and i showed him that they had heard what we were saying and wanted to make sure that we would not be utilizing the town's driveway into the cemetery and we're not proposing that and they express concern that they do not  increased level of non cemetery users and we're not proposing that one of the attractive parts of this proposal is that the bulk of the use of this parcel and this parking and driveway will be during the winter months when the cemetery is closed and the cemetery has a gate on them so no sense others what you talk a little bit about crossing the well with the driveway the as you as you enter the property from the through to there is a rise and then it falls back into a swale we will be according to the engineering report that you have we will be filling the swale with a large rock and then it will be covered probably was with eighteen feet the height of the road the eighteen feet so it's broader than that law allow whatever water is in there seasonally on all the time to see through to into the the level of financial support that we've received for this project from around the town of richmond conservation reserve fund front housing conservation work and lots of donors within the town of richmond in th large the public use of the parking area on carbon road is has been very successful we do pick up some trash but we're on it we have the police to patrol it on occasion and we we are aware that people do enter the property in on their own and may not be looking for a preserve or hide or sliding opportunity but the bulk of the people are using our reserves the cemetery for the purpose of the state department i think that a prayer ok i think that's very important for it to be clear so that it's not an after the fact because craig said that he's used there you're going to use near the drive way to the cemetery you're going pay back to us access you're not looking to build a new access so you're going to come off this access that's already paved and you're going to shoot into the land trust property which is all grass right now when you go in there there are some trees and that the slope of the drive that comes down from the cemetery goes down toward route two and there's a ditch along that existing driveway to go up to the cemetery colver should be right there to go into the land trust property so that dense mind that along the paved drive hasn't water to be able to go into a culvert to be able to continue to go down to the ditch line along to that's a concern i have and that's why i'm bringing up if you're using the existing their that section of road has a rural area in forested look into put of black or white cemetery fence there sliding hill will be better and we've actually talked to the cemetery folks you know swing one swing onto our property to make a left if that's what if that's going to benefit the public and i think that will naturally happen because you know the two drivers will come together and people from the cemetery are going to take a cautious approach and they're going to swing to the right and then left and expect that one which would be opposed to pay being a little bit more at that area so that that car traffic that not talked about that as a group but our goal is our goal is a driveway and provide a safe sliding into play for driving or if we want to be good neighbors so if it's that if that helps this opportunity safety purposes that mr kyle just had comments regarding that i don't want a school bus you know not making a left hand turn they haven't made the area that they're coming from i think we can and we can look quite well scream you know when we started digging down start lowering the grade it's a lot of excavation and it's going to be it's going to look like a parking lot and we're trying to create a and the access to it i mean it's more than structures more hospital work like that but it's about safety i mean we should be doing things just because the cheapest way of doing it we have regulations in place for a reason and this and this and that to provide us so we can make a decision based on the information and thoughts from the rest of the board continue or the board looked to see more information before we would closely  to meet as a board out there that'll be something that we'd have to publicly or what we could we can do at a later date but you could read you could continue the hearing to your next meeting they said don't put a color and where is that rating from an engineer or some modification there are of so i guess the first question is does the board feel that based on what was in this request to reopen is there anything that the board feels would change their mind as to the way we voted on it the first place david i'm a little confused with who is allowed to bring a request forward whether it's an applicant whether it's an interested party on the question of interested party is not a decision we make that's a decision the ira were very mental court right makes and cousins who made this request did submit in writing evidence that we took into consideration we put it in our of package so but i still think that's again probably another decision the board can make is the person who is bringing this request the proper person to do it we have no formal procedure in our ordinance for reopening the hearing have the right to appeal it cracked but we don't have to decide if they have interest in party status so the question is i  have nobody else is speaking to kara's going to speak so why not speak i mean i feel like everybody had the opportunity at the hearing to present their information i was uncomfortable are going to allow this information to be part of  record to begin with so of course i think that's going to be pretty clear how i feel about even taking this requestion making any move motions on it at all i don't believe it's our role a the way to terrain is of the site how we drops off in different regimes and in so that's you know that's what it contingencies with with it's you know what's available that we could do with this piece development divide out the road make it not on anybody else's parsable retain the right of way to access your own extra acreage back there and have a homeowner's association that helps maintain the road as part of the  that's at that whether you control the road completely in case the future you want to do something else on your new one parcel something that just just surveyor it out don't have to be part of the there's no surrounding area or if there is other natural resources that could be protected if it was clustered i think that routine is going to make you feel it's what's been making the rebuilding all the way around is what's making  any other thoughts to the board that would help them deal with it you'd like to see it this required i didn't end up entering that into the official record because that wasn't the d r p decided that they weren't going to require any of what they said that they would do it they were obliged to do it and basically just left it  you approved the plan does they submitted that within their application i make the motion that we do a letter of clarification that can be recorded in the only records that clearly states that addresses and issues that we believe didn't go through right now that we believe was unclear in the decision feet to the west so i'm ok with number one saying approximately because but where it says never porking the bird structure proposed has to be moved to the west i'm i don't you get i'm ok with not and i thought that's what we had said in when we made the decision to what is at the materials used to list to be their decision it was and i think we can clearly just state that materials used to reconstruct subdivision application for your review of your next meeting i have subsequently heard that she was out there playing someone not sure if we'll hear that but we shall see planetary subdivision application which you may hear unless new developments come forward and the reason is there anything else in the get no no no no access to the parcel means that you could get it from something if you have a way to get there can't deny access and i don't do our regulations say class the class that i was that they cannot develop through be about three or four