ok good all right we're going to bring the meeting to order at seven zero to welcome everybody to the town of wilton's development review board for tuesday november twenty seventh among four things on the agenda for tonight we do literally start off with a public michael and jessica are you here you don't see their engineer concern facility access drives out or what it says offer shunpike road in the industrial zoning district west this is the first time this proposals been reviewed by the d r b this proposal is a proposed development of one of the lots proposed as part of the roberto subdivision of fifty five eight it's just worth noting that the road bears subdivision has been through discretionary permit review without the law being created but final plans for roberto subdivision would have to be in place prior to final plans being signed off on for the development of this water to that that's what's going on there the two are the two are connected so the proposed uses many warehouses we would call this under north american history classification system code five three to run a leasing is a use for the property and that is listed as an allowed use in the industrial zoning district west there's seven buildings proposed on the site if you've ever seen many warehouse facility the proposed buildings would look very much like any other mini warehouse facility so the site as of today is undeveloped entirely we need he cleared and graded prior to the development with the proposed building there will be outdoor lighting is proport of this application were the pre application stage right now which is a concept level review so we don't have a fully formed lighting planet at this stage just to guys as we like shielded completely downward facing and meet the lighting requirements of the town's  deal with intensity uniformity timing and a few other aspects of lighting as a new development this part subject to the landscape buffer requirements in the bylaw and the applicant  with various setbacks and including an identified fifty foot buffer so there is no development proposed within that buffer area on the site of the proposed access here is via a curb cut on shunpike road just one curb cut in terms of traffic staff would not necessarily recommend a traffic study for this particular site there was traffic work done for the rover subdivision overall but staff would recommend that some estimated trip generation numbers people lied to the d o b as part of discretionary permit which i don't generally see that the storage is as generating a whole heck of a lot of pm peak hour trip vans people tend to come and go throughout the day throughout the week not tied necessarily to the time of day there's not really any designated parking proposed on the site the way most people use many storages is to pull up an access their unit so that it's not like they're sort of an off site parking lot that would go with this there is a small proposed office a kiosk proposed that might warrant having one or two parking spaces adjacent to it just to give people a place to pull  about it there is stormwater treatment proposed as part of this property along the northern edge and this is in the sewer service area so any any need for service would involve connecting the municipal water and waste water service again that will really be for that small office especially a permit will need to show utilities and snow storage this project is not in the town's design or view district so not subject to design view design or view district does touch on marshall have very near to this but this this is on shunpike which is not in that district and this project was submitted to police far public works for review and also was reviewed by the conservation commission and the conservation commission and public works recommendations made as part of their if you are recommended by staff to be adopted as the allocation recommendations by the deal of the other than that we would be recommending that the dear be adopted motion allow this project to proceed to discretionary permit review with those motions and for those recommendations and i will stop there lighting on the end of the building and at the gate that would be on one hundred percent all the time the lighting on the north in the cell sides of the building so in between where the units are located that would be dimmed but the lights at the ends of the building would identify to people that number one this is an open facility it would be totally dark as you're driving by people wouldn't be hesitant to enter the facility it would also provide some security lighting having the end lift where you can look down the length of the buildings whether it's a customer or the police department and then if somebody comes in the lights between the buildings where the entrances to the mini storage units are located those lights would come on with any activity half hour after and a half hour to half hour before business hours but we do have facilities in town like this one that are essentially twenty four seventh's so in general we either can look  at the motion detector or writes in to describe under our security lighting provisions which the by law does have and otherwise you know you there are some you can have some level of lighting line when you're not open but we would really look at this facility as being open all the time and therefore able to be lit at some level like a parking lot level you know through the evening i think there's a couple of ways are going to buy a lot depending on on how the light timing and how much is height of the buildings the height the lights are going to be terribly high here today and then there's and then there's a proposal to have some form of motion sensor on the other in between the buildings so that way when they're trying to get to their units they see but those would come on with well because it's a safety thing i mean we've already know that they're squatters in the woods behind it and as a female if i was going to go in to access my storage at night and it was completely dark i went access and then they go back up right but if you're driving past there and it's dark you're not going to poland to turn that light on because it's dark and you don't know who is hiding behind there who is could be hiding behind one of the other buildings that is it's a safety issue you causing people to go into a completely dark area i think and not know what's what's there ok so i what about having a good about having a motion sensor at the gate when somebody pulls into that it all comes up in there trying to break into someone's unit and b it's a safety issue like if somebody jumps the fans or is in behind there and you have somebody in there that's a liability i mean that's not safe and i can tell you that i've seen dark facilities and i would not enter that facility which means i would not you know what the standard is or can you provide the board with a standard of what lighting the what the lighting is for a mini storage facility place like what's the list was what is the industry  all the time like a parking lot so i'm in trouble i would be willing to consider proposals that show kind of how you're keeping minimal amounts of light for needed for security reasons that then can come on when people need to i'm also concerned about some of the things i've heard that try to figure out the line between security lighting and advertising you know i wouldn't drive in there you know if i didn't if it's dark i'm not going to i've been there while you're trying to attract people in there or is it because the security and i'm not going to argue one way or the other but i think you need to be able to explain that at the next at the next and what's where's the reason charity and making it so everybody knows that buildings there all night well we  this may have come at the last hearing and i that i missed but the the proposed twenty foot wide pedestrian he's been along the front edge is that that's in addition to the tenth of what that is why provide another twenty feet for easement was requested by public works where the original subdivision so so right now like overkill it seems like you'd have a path is sufficient right you don't need another twenty feet for well right now we're showing the ten foot path the the position of a ten foot path is really being driven by the clear zone off the utility bills so it's not occupying all of the twenty foot easement it's occupying about five feet of it but front edge not really where it would be this is where it was presented to public works we didn't get any comments back from him on the location of the the path in relation to the right of way so the idea is that there would this have to get wide overtime it's just it's just a little extra chain link fence around right exactly i would have to check the standard but i think i don't think it'll be anything more than six feet street tree spacing requirements yes make your payments for human and it will give you your keep your loss that you need for the units it will give you the code to be able to access the units once your application is complete and you've been assigned a unit so it'll do all the assigning take the to be inside there because it would need to be kept out of the elements would be inside of the office area so they could walk in they could be out of they are on of the elements as well they could do the kiosk machine if somebody were to drive and where would they where would they park right with they would work with the access where would you envision  going to the building well they would most go to the office each time it's just first it's just the initial and then also when you're done with that to do your check out and put your final check up so how do you open the gate i'm sorry maybe it's a key code so they'll be given a code to say your codes wonder get out of your car i mean it will depend on you know once we get a little further we'll know i mean the plan is to be able to access it from your vehicle but pending on the size of your vehicle if you're coming with a u haul you may have to get out so  i mean it's going to we're going try to put in a location that's as convenient as possible but depending on the vehicle they may have to get out i mean are people leaving cash there or they're just giving your credit card number yeah it's usually all credit card related transactions how often would you is the owner or manager beyond site to probably once a week just to check machine make sure that anything's taken care of there's as part of it it's got a phone number attached to it so if they're having any problems while they're at the machine there's they can just call the number and it will walk them through and answer any questions or help them with any issues they're having so you know we'd probably be there once a week just to kind of refill the supplies make sure the locks are there others or other facilities where to one more question that the women got for it looks like it touches the fence on the back side again it's clearly drawn so that it it's just outside the wetland buffer but is there visualize that i don't know how tall that retaining walls going to be but you know that one of the conditions here are the recommendations is that the marquee the weapon buffer with something that doesn't move like a fence or boulder we have any questions or comments from the audience here but he like to weigh in anything any way we have any anything for the board or the applicant property we don't own the property and this is all based on the project but it's more about i know once i'm assuming that if there's people living there they're going to be there if they're on our property that we're proposing to bide and we'll just kind of move to the property next as the development kind of keeps building up and i don't know i just know that there's been people that have been walking the property has seen in the agricultural row residential zoning district property is currently developing with the single family dwelling accessory garage acts and access driveway the proposed residential development will at once welling unit to the site for a total of two new projects history this is the first time there are questions being reviewed by the previous development on this property includes a boundary line adjustment that was submitted with the neighboring property but that application list because withdrawn findings of fact the applicant proposes to single family dwellings residential uses are allowed in the a number two town parcel map out there you'll see the photo on page one as well as the face map the african has used fix the parcel as two parcels this is a pro system air dating back to two thousand and nine i confirmed this error with the listers office it was showing a parcel owned by the fire district and that was a typo in their system and this is one parcel ten point seven six acres on by the applicant access the applicant proposes to use the existing private driveway to access both by law allows up to five to welling's to be accessed on a private driveway the driveway has occurred on supporter would drive or would drive is a private road owned and maintained by the willis and prior district and i doubt it does have to curb cuts on two creamery road proposing to do well in unit equivalence in the form of two units with two or more bedrooms and no units with one or fewer bedrooms one bedroom or studio is considered half of twelve unit after nineteen requires that lands with wetlands wetland buffers and slopes in excess of thirty percent be taken out of the density calculation and that lands with slopes between fifteen and twenty nine point nine percent be delineation which changes the welland buffer from the island area from two point one three acres to one point nine seven acres changing the score to two point four four in the by a long way round down so they still had to have the two twenty minutes total minimum lot size the bylaw allows a smaller minimum lot size than the density calculation for an open space development in the area the minimum area purge welling is fifteen thousand square feet point three four four acres the proposed lot provided for the dwellings are one point five acres and half an acre in size these proposed lots comply with the minimum requirement it's open space as a subdivision of a parcel ten point five acres or greater the by a lot of requires a minimum seventy five percent be set aside as permanently protected open space this open space must be planted as a separate line the open space must include steep slopes wetland areas and setbacks and any other resources required to be protected under chapter twenty seven the africans proposed open space lot is eight point seven six acres or eighty one point four percent of the parent parcel applicant site plane indicates that all slopes in excess of thirty percent are in the open space as well as well and wetland buffers the conservation commission reviewed the proposed open space and there will be discussed later chapter twenty three states that open space residential development must provide ample buffers but it does not specify minimum buffers chapter twenty three and chapter thirty one allow the d r p considerable discretion in determining the minimum wage and what type of landscape buffer will be appropriate in a particular context the proposed open space parcel will maintain existing vegetation on the pier parcel boundaries and access driveway the proposed location of the new  existing cleared area formerly occupied by and banded and never moved mobile home the proposed septic system will also be located within exterior existing cleared areas to the greatest extent possible water waste water and the applicant proposes a private well and septic system system design and state permits are not required at the pre application review face welland waterways and conservation areas the a radical growth management score that has estimated a growth management score of thirty points this is the minimum score required to receive allocation without an exemption the project could receive ten points for design for contacts because the new drilling on a half acre lot matches the surrounding development patterns the project could receive twenty points for visual impact because the deville development is not visible from a public way this score is a staff estimation only and may differ from the official score determined by the d r p at the march twenty nine hundred group management hearing comments and recommended action no comment letters were received from the public we circulated the plans to police fire and public works the police department did not respond the department of public works commented asking about a foundry plant for the lot that will be provided with the discretionary permit they asked about who is planing on maintaining it owning this shared drive and to show propose utilities the fire department also responded with a comment me about emergency access and signage the conservation commission reviewed the application on november sixth and made the following recommendations habitat just service disturbance assessment shall be prepared by a qualified wildlife biologist and submitted by the applicant as part of the discretionary permit application the protected open space must be planted as a separate the applicant as part of an application for discretionary permit working with the conservation commission to determine a trip desired alignment the applicant is required to have well and still nishan prepared by a professional well and scientists in accord with the current guidelines of the army corps of engineers to be submitted as part of an application for a discretionary permit while insulin nation must be confirmed by the state the conservation commission recommends a following recommendations to adopt a common fire public works and conservation commission and to meet with the director of public works and the fire chief prior to discretionary permit application thank you defined by the state as class three during us a visit she did want to keep it as class two due to a potential connection between the two upper ponds and the lower piece so that's just a clarification there to see how that works out as to what we're actually project in the side what is it true i thought i heard you indicate that if it doesn't connect that if we can't u se our discretion to increase the scoring is not that's certainly not how we don't work in the past the outcome is always the idea is always been and you guys can correct me if i'm wrong but you pull them together piecemeal because you only can gain an easement as the individual simply majority of the proposed welding units are served by the thames path control system with the developer building all on site segments five to ten points depending on the length of the path for trail segments no path or trail connection is  that's that's not word for word what the virus says it's an interpretation that's never been appealed never been never been  questioned this is in the growth management chapter so this is this is chapter eleven which is all about how subdivisions are scored competitively in our in our town for a financial process that limits the rate of residential conducive to so yeah so they are moderately suited and we haven't done so i also think some of that will be done for the discussion have those additional but first to them think don't believe it is but you know to your question i think the benefit is always can you connect or start to connect those development to the town's trail system so folks in this small two watt subdivision folks who might be able to connect from portable drive who then wouldn't you know have to walk down the old creamery and back up no hill you know the town has the desired trail system that's those generalized big ones like you know her cabling to bradley o yeah you know it takes it may take multiple property owners falling into place before that's really going to be able to  time really truly great looks like there are sections that are in the proposed development mots that have wetlands areas that are in that fifteen to thirty percent looks like that's all that ok perfect i think you ok so this is a request for discretionary permit review of a proposal to construct a forty five by twenty eight foot storage building at ten twenty eight south brunel road in the industrial zoning district west this is an existing developed site horsemen of it is currently occupied by quitting brothers and gauged in automotive related automotive forty five by twenty eight foot building is not supposed to exceed the town's thirty six foot height limit the proposed building will be over existing pavement or other structure to be placed so there is no additional site were proposed there is no boundary adjustment or subdivision in terms of outdoor lighting the up and has stated that there would be some outdoor lighting associated with the building we don't have lighting details right now if it's what i think it will be which is essentially wall pack units on the building i would i would recommend the d r be just require that final plans include specifications for those lights so that we can assure that they are fully shielded downward facing and don't exceed the maximum brightness levels in the byelaw the subject parcel is adjacent to some other industrial uses the up into proposing the new the building to be fifteen feet set back from the rear of the property if you look at your aerial photo you'll see that this property and at the rear of the property behind it which is accessed off the royalty not really buffered from one another at all it's it's fairly tight back there based on the whole time be to take a look at behind that building and see if if the board feels there's any enhanced mintz they're necessary there is no outdoor storage proposed as part of this application you know again you know looking at the aerial photo or if you were to go out to the site there are there are vehicles waiting repair on the repair itself out of there that are parked on the site small amount of other equipment but not not really  outdoor storage like a storage yard or a longer yard or anything like that there are no weapon impacts proposed no changes to access or intice a period additional traffic impact staff does support that this storage building would increase demand for parking on the site who changes to signage or storm water or waters and waste water or propose no changes to the utilities as shown or proposed as well i'm in this project would not be subject to the town's design review requirements because it's outside of the design of the project was submitted for review to police fire and public works public works did submit comment memo only stating that they had no comments on the project and that was all we received for interdepartmental comment on this one so i will stop there i have prepared findings and conclusions leading to an approval  discretionary program these are currently just the boilerplate or standard conditions so if the d r v gets into more of a conversation about requiring buffering that might need to be an additional condition and if they we're working on a vehicle it's a year to project the car will be there but other now we're not a rental place you know we can't run a spot sides of the yes yes so no there's no way we're going to dig in the wood anything everything's great on the slab so and i just noticed a little bit of a discrepancy between what was in your cover letter it says a twenty four by yeah he has it yeah it's twenty five i think he's got forty six really here in the plains but that's not the size it does the size of the concrete slab so i think it's forty five but i can remember because the back of the building that's the word we're now building is going to be face to back you know the building which they store their stuff out back so i don't think landscaping thrilly go is in the parking lot where parking is made up by the park from yes no industrial building one space per thousand it's probably a little bit over park by today's standard and then you know we have sites like this where you know actual parking arrangement is i think there is one somewhere on file the other thing you could decide if you're in condition eight is that right so it says any required you could say any additional required that's how i would generally read that and so the board's not saying you need more parking or you need to do something with your parking that it it's centrally it's a  condition in terms of how i administer it yeah if we were in a review where we said this project generates more parking or there's way too much parking here and needs to be reduced that parking needs to be in compliance with the b is talk to a bicycle parking to i mean if you felt there was a required we need to see it on final plans if you were doing something to this site that increased the amount of required parking on the site we would do the full calculation and break that out to aviation by school and indoor and everything else and then we would want to see all that as a final plan in general practice has been with this war that if if  there is not additional parking required we don't the board is not typically opposed to all of those other things that come along with it on this if you do a great in open session i would sit in the audience or otherwise remove myself from the proceedings so just to clear as to why i am g five point four and as provided by state statute any decision of the administrator may be appealed to the d r p here d r p must hold a public hearing following the hearing the deer may uphold modify or overturn the decision of the administrator in every case the d s p shall adopt written findings and conclusions supporting its action what follows is a list of exhibits included with fear pack brook is located in the residential zoning district the violation occurred on the undeveloped eastern portion of the property located to the east of a in the village sunning district the property is developed with the single family and allowed to use in both strikes administrators determination the following is an abbreviated quote from the letter i viewed the condition of the site on october eleventh twenty eighteen i noticed noted several equipment trailers piled with building materials debris and debris several piles of building material having whitman heavy equipment and vehicles being stored on the site the portion of the property where i observed the materials  on the east side of the brook which is in the town's village zoning district and then the continues there is no commercial outdoor storage allowed in the outdoor storage associated with the home business is limited and only allowed under the conditions of chapter twenty and only with an administrative permit later on i'll quote the actors that go into this in more detail but follows there are many other properties without their storage in the village this parcel is in the empty district the former name for what is now the residential zoning district and is what one would consider the backyard of the property at two twelve old stage of a four acre parcel i don't need to use the i don't need a permit to use the property the same as all the other residents in the areas do and then the quote continues and there's a second letter with an associated site plan talking about the other neighbors finding a fact five by a long requirements the bylaws has standards regarding outdoor storage in the village zoning district outdoor storage is permitted the temporary storage of outdoor the temporary outdoor storage of construction equipment and materials is permitted in all zoning districts by chapter seventeen no other outdoor storage is permitted for commercial or institutional uses in the chapter twenty residential program improvement also talks about outdoor storage and other zoning districts outdoor storage is permitted within the required set backs and side in rear when it is effectively screen from neighboring properties but notes that appendix  it should say appendix g sets a stricter standard for outdoor storage associated with home businesses and then it also quotes the during construction allowance appendix g home businesses and a home business have work spaces or store materials that's appends on where it is located in the r c d and u r z d and d z d the space used for the proposed home business shall be within the dwelling or an accessory structure that complies with all requirements of the bylaw outdoor work spaces and outdoor storage of materials supplies equipment vehicles or goods for sale are prohibited in the these jump to the site visit page where i quote chapter forty six that defines outdoor storage of their storage the outdoor meaning not under a roof and within at least three walls placement stacking or stockpiling of materials out there storage ranges from firewood stacked on a residential premises to the stockpiling of gravel sand and other korean products so there is a range of outdoor storage  two and three outdoor storage along next to the existing dwelling this included but is not limited to various construction construction materials and mechanical components to to be stored outdoors they must be within the year or an accessory structure that in compliance with the quietness of the bylaw follows is the letter from kevin stevens an e mail chain from twenty fifteen that's not necessarily directly related to the current violation but we are bringing  ok your turn i took are all right well the property itself is contiguous with the old staid road frontage and it runs into the  village district obviously it's not subdivided so i don't think the village district zoning has anything to do with this parcel because the house is on the medium or whatever district and so i'm just using this property as basically my backyard like anyone else would and or if they wanted to but there's a lot of people in the village district that all have trailers boat two three i mean there's got to be think i got about eight of them and they have stuff around their house all in the village  district we are here to talk about their property not about other people right now i understand that but you but i i'm in the medium density we're talking you're talking bringing this up as being in the village district now while they are but the property is contiguous from the old stage side across it's not i'm not subdividing it i'm not doing anything with it so you're telling me i've got three acres and i can't put anything on it or can i put a storage building why for if they were so i could put  storage building there or in a clothes i rather put it in a closed shelter not i don't want to spend the money because i've got some other stuff that's going on and i don't want anything permanent i'd rather have it just in clothes that you would have to go through the proper permit process your wife for a you know a accessory dwelling well yeah but that's a temporary excess rees not considered  way if you can move it around it still needs to have a permit and meet the setback requirements the use of the structure outdoor storage that definition is rot from stock fire wood to an industrial  but zoning administrators determination that is this is storage not associated with a residential use it's outdoor storage associated with a commercial years and then a structure and storage for commercial use e front of me gordon do what i read it and i don't need a permit for force structure in the medium density of residential zoning district a structure of one hundred twenty square feet or a minimum  of ten feet in height does require a permit and all structures must meet the setback requirements so if it's a structure greater than one hundred twenty square feet it will require a permit to have her i mean it's not because i just i mean here yet fordable structures doesn't give you the square footage or any of that stuff but it says this is a permit required for a portable structure no permit i mean that means no permit and decide the dimensions standards but i don't see anything that goes with the i don't know you've accused yourself would you care to weigh in on that sure yeah yeah i've done it over yeah it's not just for there but again i own it if i want to work on it you're telling me i can't work on it if it's if on my three  staging materials and stuff i think i got three trailers i've got a couple cubes a block there's no debris by the way that's seems to be in there all the time but whatever but it's all it's all it's all stuff that's going to be used and maybe not in there unless i put a house there then i guess but i'm not it's not like it's out along willesden road i mean the far side nobody can see it except when you cover up maple street you don't even know it's there and you can't see it from  stephen's yard which he you know the pictures come from my side they don't come from his side i mean that stuff was there before not this particular stuff there was other years ago and that was there before he was there moved in there but there you know the fact that i can't use it for anything but if i could put it stored some storage there then you see the trees here doesn't show history in town and i feel that the group of trees that goes across that's where the where the stream is they don't show it up here  road in the site visit we conducted photos two and three we determine that there is also outdoor storage on the western portion of the parcel in the our z t so the zoning violation letter just referenced one site for outdoor storage but there are two areas that are in violation with the i will note that the appendix g home businesses does limit the amount of space that can be used in the r c d it's limited to twenty five percent of the floor area of the dwelling or five hundred square feet whichever smaller in the village twenty five percent of the floor area of the two elling or seven hundred fifty square feet whichever is smaller staffs determination with that generally if you have a three thousand square foot house and you wanted to build an accessory garage we would use the square footage of that existing house to determine how large that accessory storage structure garage could be for the home business permit we'd have to see the same plan and see that all those numbers lined up with a home business restrictions but if they're limited and contained within their structures that's the allowable extent have storage for a home business it cannot be all ready if you're if you're going to put up a temporary if you will you know come in and request for a permit to put up a temporary structure are you going to be able to get all of your equipment inside  that not not that because they're both full the what might tractors are outside but i use those for plowing so i don't i mean that's not really that they're not relevant to this anyway because i use them for  temporary assessor restructure that you're going to get a permit for maybe well it depends again didn't you just say the village i can have the seven hundred square foot  right way he said seven hundred across the river for i don't know if they think that they're tied together here enough down this road before this is not the first time we sat and had this conversation right where it was and wasn't in this much detail before because i think i didn't feel it was right before and i still don't  nor there i guess and anything else you want to add to this no but i think i think because everyone i don't know how you can determine make a decision on me personally when you've got all these other ones that are standing that i can drive around until you i mean how can you send down one and not the other why don't we why don't we leave it that if a notice of zoning violations gets issued to them that we will have we will offer them the in the meantime we're here to talk about you so if you're through i think there are some people in the audience that probably would like to have their turn to fire way we have any questions or comments from the audience there's a long history here it's more than just a couple of trailers that the story it almost feels like what's happening this is it's like sticking a star behind the neighbors because i guess deeded right away and you can be put on your boat up next to the driveway so you're just waiting for me to hit them or something like that usually this day should be ten feet away and that's that's you of how it gets there is you know is a is unfortunate but not for this board i think that goes for locking up right that right because the docent right while all the information provided tonight is testimony and the board's responsibility is to adopt written findings and conclusions so you can amend the findings of fact that are provided in the staff report and amend the conclusions of law coverage yes yes all the findings of fact  documentation to you i did my site visit yesterday so it wasn't included in the packet mail out  home business is prohibited from an outdoor storage for residential purposes is permitted within their part setbacks inside and rear when it is effectively screen from neighboring properties but no a stricter standard for outer storage associated with a home business on a residential property you could have your boat or your stock of firewood up to the property line if it's appropriately screened by a landscaping or fence but if it trips i percent and then five up to five hundred square feet in the residential twenty five percent up to seven fifty in the village zoning district so if you're limited to about four hundred constraint because that's the smaller number it's whichever yes are there any stored structures on that site no permanent or temporary form down here's one behind it feet right there right and are those permanent do they have the you know no because it didn't it said i didn't need to pull a permit portable structures portable structures enclosed space but are designed to be easily moved they do not have fittings or foundation how many examples include path of carports or canopies and place structures that are not tied to footings or and mr tivo is correct is a permit required for a portable structure no permit is required for portable structures but they must comply with the standards they must me portable structures are subject to the same or you redoing the finding your house yes there's anything left to power box power house for just a temporary power box when i need temporary power for any house temporary i got a big cauldron out there holds flowers that's what i planted the driveway this is a picture from village grover not even village girls are standing in my field to get this picture you read that all these things are on your property but there's is there again there's a head roll all the way down three hundred feet  so plus or minus there's a car right there cement mixer is there there's four of them there the one behind it is a camper the one to the right is a trailer with shingles on it in a lighter those you know yes that car you'll see there's a forklift behind fiber when something in my garden road somewhere doing it i'm in the back where there's only nine houses in village girl over and they probably don't even know what to there and other than that they've read about it or got sent a letter and that's it i mean because all these other be able i mean i don't know why they've got three trailers two trailers they get this they get that you understand oh no i understand were but i you know i was right because he filed a complaint that's that it's still not totally sure so so for five hundred square feet storage is what would be allowable and then beyond that no other outdoor storage for and on or could anything be stored could you store  here yes if you're using that riding mower specifically for your personal use once it trips this into home business or commercial cold i believe so i think the portable structure section is for carport play structures chapter twenty outdoor storage is permitted within the required set backs inside and rare when it is effectively screen from neighboring properties that that chapter twenty says effectively screened would mean some landscaping or a fence where it's buffered from the neighbor's property so the board or what it would is customary a fence so the neighbors on the house side i mean they're up in the development no i'm downsizing i just moved in july when i moved here chapter forty six definition outdoor storage is the outdoor placement stacking or stockpiling of materials outdoor storage ranges from firewood stacked on residential premises to the stockpiling of  sand and other quarry products so it's up to the d r p to determine where we are on the spectrum the draft conclusion of law that i have drafted number one the outdoor storage of vehicles equipment building materials and three to twelve state road is or is not associated with a commercial use so it will be up to the d r p to finish that sentence and then craft a motion with it to determine if they believe it is or is not associated with commercial assertion that these are not for commercial use right now it personally is there i'm sorry i'm reading the def you just read the definition out there storage right is their definition of personal use residential residential use or personal use i guess nothing under residential use either but it would be up to the d r p with the information provided to determine if what is shown in the photos what's described in the violation letter in the complaint form if that is or is not a commercial use  says here that the stop home to rules doesn't matter whether it's commercial or residential you're not supposed to be stocking you know star quality materials of the plywood yet so that's the definition out there storage that that is further explained in the other chapter so you could have a pile of of what on your personal property for your own personal use that determination here is if this is a personal use or not a homeowner can have a pile of bricks on their property thank you them in their in their back yard if they start selling the bricks or checking them in and now for other purposes then they might be crossing over that threshold this isn't just for my personal patio project it's traipsing into other the wilson development review board having reviewed the application submitted all company materials including the recommendations of the town staff and the advisory boards required to comment on this application by the wilson drawn by law and having heard and duly considered the development review board having reviewed the application submitted and all accompanying materials including the recommendations of the town staff and the advisory boards required to comment on this application by the wilston development by law and having heard and duly considered the testimony presented at the public hearing the dimensions of the new structure to note forty six feet by twenty four feet modified condition of approval number eight just to  point five jill's finale that the wilson development review board having reviewed the appeal of the minister's decision and all the accompanying materials and having heard and duly considered the testimony presented at the public hearing  require the appellant to remove the vehicles equipment building materials and debris associated with the commercial use from tooth i'm sorry from two hundred twelve states road i also know that we adopt the draft of the conclusions of law the following two conclusions of law one is that the outdoor storage of vehicles equipment building materials and debris at two twelve old stage road is associated with the commercial use and to the outdoor storage of commercial materials and vehicles is prohibited in the ares e d and b c d i also move that we add an additional finding of fact to include the pictures and summary to move to except the minutes of november thirteenth two thousand and eight has proposed been written by staff