something i learned years later that involved making villages into concentration camps basically and there were torture programs phoenix program was it was a monstrous war at queens college in new york and somebody set up the table on campus like this and they were passing outward sure including something called the viet report maybe they only a few issues of this magazine were published but i picked up i bought one of them and i learned a lot from what it had to say really had a different viewpoint than what you got in the new york times not that i think there's everything is bad about the new york times certainly this is going to learn a lot from the mainstream media too but i think it think it's really reflects the corporate corporate entities in this country who who who have so much power because is a very dangerous if it's if it touches your skin it doesn't you can't wash it away it just burns all the way down so that this was a this really opened my eyes there's something wrong with u s policy that we we have troops in the foreign country that we are occupying their country we wouldn't want that to happen here why are we doing there we didn't like some of their leaders is this a reason to go in and invade another country it seems wrong to me and and when when i realized that i was against the war in vietnam actually it really opened up a lot of questions about the whole society for me so i moved from being conservative to being a radical and when i got back to mit in the fall walking down the main corridor through mighty in the beginning of the year different organizations set up tables and there was the mit committee to win the war in vietnam which immediately joined and so that was in the fall of one nine hundred sixty five and i went to my first demonstration in my life in october of that year so in boston common there were maybe five hundred or a thousand people came it was the biggest demonstration up until that point in the war there were speakers and it was broken up by the police i remember the horse the police came on horses and and broke up the demonstration so that was typical in those days that you couldn't really have a large demonstration without it being broken up by the police but things did change and by nine hundred sixty seven demonstrations were two years later they were enormous and they were being led by the soldiers they were being led by some of them active duty soldiers  and airmen and sailors who became incensed with the way they were being used and abused in vietnam and so and that was something that that really inspired  inspired me that you could actually be in the in the military and you were still operating under the freedoms we're supposed to have it under the constitution and then everybody in the  military swears an oath to protect and defend the constitution of the united states which includes the right to free speech and you don't lose those rights just because you happen to be a soldier so when you're not on duty then you're free to go and and and participate in antiwar activity and by the by nine hundred sixty there were antiwar groups in the military all over the world there were publishing newspapers at bases around the world not just in the us and it wasn't just the draftees it was also in the air force and in the navy that this was happening where there were no direct i don't think you were drafted into those services i think it was only into the army that you were drafted i didn't either so when i was called up for the draft in one nine hundred sixty eight this was i was i was not yet twenty one so i just graduated so i no longer had my deferments they had a deferment for students in those days so that ended i became eligible for the draft and i went f induction physical that included a full physical examination to make sure that you were fit and able to do all the things you had to do as a soldier i passed the physical at the end of it there was a doctor and i said to him ok i've been through everything what you have to do to not pass this physical it seemed like they really weren't ok so he said if you can't do this then you can pass the physical because i guess it was joking but it was pretty much you got a pass no matter what you had and then after that i went up we had they told us the next station is upstairs  to sign a loyalty oath which was the one i was just talking about this was the oath where you would swear to defend the constitution and this is this was my plan for the foregoing for my pre induction physical i knew i was going to be drafted but there was this one possibility that i planned for was in zero so when i got there they gave me the piece of paper that had some words at the top like this and i signed it i said i agree with that i'm going to defend the constitution and then i kept writing i thought i have time here there's hundreds of people in this room so i go to a little essay explaining how i was going to defend the constitution of the united states i said it includes free speech and it includes the right to assemble and the right to petition the government for redress of grievances all in the first amendment and i'm going to be using those rights as a soldier on good organized just as i've been organizing students on campus for the last three years in the mit committee ten the war we're going to organize soldiers we're going to have this similar kinds of events we're going to have marches and rallies and petitions and film showings and concerts we're going to do all the things you do to build a movement and the soldiers have this wonderful power that the students don't tap the soldiers have the power and the war because they can say no to fighting and that's what i'm planning on doing and i know that the officers also selling this old and they're going to have to protect my right to do that because i'm going to be doing it legally within the law within the constitutional framework so everyone in the army is certainly should be protecting my right to organize these events and all the other soldiers who are doing that sort of thing and so i didn't hear from them i handed in and i didn't hear for them for a year and i didn't get to have to i'm not sure why i don't know if it was entirely because of that but then after some time in they ended the draft and they implemented a lottery system but it wasn't entirely end of the draft what they did was instead of just randomly picking people to be drafted they assigned randomly they assigned people numbers and i got a number three thirteen which just had to do with your birth date so they started with one day i don't zachary how they did it but we everybody got a number and if you were up to about one hundred fifty you were going to be drafted if your number was higher than that you want so that's how i i escaped the draft after being eligible for a year makes it difficult for the corporate authorities or the military authorities or whoever the authorities are because then they have to well against these principles of them up democracy and freedom so but so and also at mit i did take a class i should i did take a class it was called intellectuals in social change it was taught by a professor many many of you may have heard of his name is known ch and he's written a huge number of books since then and he's very well known as a public intellectual in the united states but in that class one of his points was that in places like soviet russia where they have a dick or other places where they have a dictatorship people are for forbidden from organizing and speaking out and participating in the political process of the democratic process to improve things in th society but in america people do it voluntarily it's amazing and the more education you have the more likely it is that you will do that so if you're working in a factory in those days you were a mom member of a union and sometimes you would participate in a strike or in some kind of a protest but in america people kind of censor themselves they don't need an authority to censor them and it's in a very interesting thing that is partly because of the mainstream media and the system of what chomsky wrote a book about this called manufacturing consent very persuade people to be passive they persuade so and to not be participating in certainly not in radical opposition to their policies so i thought well let's try it why not you know i didn't get a chance to do it in the military i was ready to go in and organize they didn't let him so now i' was was the largest supplier of technology products to south africa so it really was set had set itself up to be criticized for this that and then an i b m manager a very high level and be a manager admitted to me that of course that they didn't have any black customers in south africa because of apartheid how could you have like us to mars for computers mainframe computers in a country they didn't have peace season those days so you know when they did they weren't allowing african a fricans to for black africans to own businesses and have the freedom to participate on an equal basis in the economy and so everything that was i b m was selling was to the military to the government or to the banks or to the white own corporations and so all of liberians activity in south africa except for the tiny amount that they were using for donations and programs for that were kind of their window dressing was to support to support the africa  african white african rulers of south africa so it really made it a target for they made themselves a target for opposition and  their plants including the one i was working at with was located near a college in upstate new york near vassar college so students at vassar were very interested in opposing apartheid and in speaking out and so we were able to go a few miles away in poughkeepsie to the i b m plant and protons there a few years later  i came up with the idea of using stockholder resolutions and this almost no democracy in corporate america but they do have a requirement if they're a publicly traded company to have a meeting that you are meeting once a year they have a meeting that's open to the owners of the company so if you own a minimum number of shares you can write a resolution and it comes up for a vote if you meet certain conditions i worked with wonderful just organizations there was a whole spectrum of searches there wanted to oppose apartheid and so they every year we go to the stockholder meeting and all of us would speak we would have a demonstration outside invariably it would capture the it would be the major news story in that and that day that church groups an idea of employees were speaking out having a picket line and going into the stockholder meeting in support of the resolution in the year of two year we got a larger and larger vote it was very uncommon in those days to get more than two or three percent of the ball in any stockholder resolution i think we got up to twenty five percent of the ball by the time apartheid and twenty nine hundred ninety three well it's very difficult to give advice to a group that's right on right or right here on the ground but i maybe not just to give them particularly advice but in general let me talk about in general  that the thing that that i think is crucial there are three things that i think are important but the most important of them is this having a demand demanded and and it's very strong if it is based on human rights principle so if if we are if we're talking about equal rights if there's some discrimination based on race it's it's a it's a violation of the universal declaration of human rights it's a violation charter it's a violation of the us constitution if the government is involved so he called rights principle makes it and everybody can agree with and it's yet these kinds of things keep happening for example the black lives matter movement we have a situation where people are being shot and killed extra judicial executions in this country we had someone shot and killed just because yesterday in montpelier by the police they had eight cops around this guy with a b b gun do you really last fifteen or twenty years people killed in vermont by the cops in situations many of them in situations where it was totally it just doesn't make sense for example there was  fifteen years ago somebody was very disturbed he was in the in a church in brattleboro he held up a boy scout knife to his of one of those folding knives to his own forehead he wasn't threatening someone else he might have cut himself the cut copy somebody in the church was concerned about him called nine one one so the cops came and told them why but none of these people were very nice and very very few cases has there been a prosecution in almost every case the attorney general decides it's all right the cop who's did the right thing and so they don't prosecute they don't take the time to prosecute the police the police have impunity and so every and so wives are in danger particularly if you're disturbed or you're having some kind of a breakdown or you or you have a before the war the right to live the right not to be extra deep doodoo surely executed because of some something that somebody thinks you're doing may not even be threatening anybody  seven more than seven years it was around then that the air force and mounts that they were looking for a place to base either eighteen or twenty four f thirty dangers what is from the noise many of you may have heard the f sixteen as it goes over as it's taking off and it's extremely loud you can't you have to put your fingers in your ears if you're under the flight path in when  ski to protect yourself but the f thirty five we discovered is going to be more than four times louder than the f sixteen how can how can you do that in a city it's mind boggling so in the environmental impact statement three or four students say it's more than four times louder what they did is they gave numbers so that if you knew something about it you could figure it out why didn't they just tell us it was going to be four times louder more than four times louder so here's how they did it they said the f sixteen on takeoff a thousand feet in this whole world of college students not everybody goes to college who were they writing for they were securing not disclos fifteen is just below where the level where you're going to damage your hearing just on one exposure as you probably know listening to loud music with the ear buds can cause  a threshold shift in your hearing so it could be a temporary threshold shift and if it happens often enough it can become permanent so you your sensitivity to hearing increases and so but the problem with noise at this level isn't just hearing it's also causes according to brawley to its own board of health which started the issue in two thousand and thirteen and came out with a resolution they adopted by voting the board of health said that this causes heart disease for children it causes  cognitive impairment so they said memory concentration delayed reading all kinds of things that are measurable in children and studies have been done in various airports around the country and around the world and there's a tremendous amount of data showing that airport authorities it doesn't even have to be military jets at a certain level of of noise can cause these very serious impairments for children and adults so if you're going to be basing something so loud would you want to put it where there are not children around instead of thousands of families the environmental impact statement has maps that show growing to new skin cell throwing to the other towns and they have contour lines showing where the is in very intense and different lines for different intensities and in this intense noise on the air force there are two thousand nine hundred sixty three homes so that's that's almost three thousand homes let's say it is four people per home that's over ten thousand people ten twelve thousand people living in this intense noisome we the children who are living in those three thousand homes can be getting impaired so there's a school chamberlain school in south burlington in this noise zone so this right away was the first thing that i thought we summit and you see some beautiful homes million dollar homes and so on no those are not in the noise that go by the year port and you see these tiny little and they're like they're they're fabulous affordable homes you can you can actually on a reasonable working class salary you might be able to buy one of those homes there in the two hundred fifty thousand dollars range and these are the ones that are these workforce homes are the ones that are in intense noisome and it's their children who are going to be affected similarly when in the when the f thirty five comes it's going to expand that noise it's going to take on about three quarters of the homes in with new ski so are going to be in that same intense noisome now how do we know this is that it's not just me saying it and it's not just the air force environmental impact statement saying it's also the federal aviation administration that provided fifty seven million dollars for burlington to purchase two hundred homes in the in the strip of land it's now a vacant because those homes were demolished that's facing the airport entrance and this is a real scandal because this is where we see how profit has industrial purposes to ok so that brewington got fifty seven million dollars from the f a a from taxpayer money or from from fees that you're charged when you buy or per plane ticket they took that money to buy two hundred homes and relocate the people out of those home are they paired a fair price for them and fact they paid what the what those homes would be worth if there was no airport noise so people were very anxious to sell because they couldn't get that kind of money any other way and then they'd know they would not allow anybody else to move into those homes they had to be demolished so now we have this strip of land that brawling to south burlington changes the zoning then burlington can can sell that landed a huge profit or rented for development by developers putting up hotels shopping centers and the other kind of commercial real estate development so we've seen this in the past where we've had parts of cities demolished and redeveloped for higher income people and it's happening again right before our eyes these homes were were destroyed two years ago and that's and that's it for that strip of land eventually will be developed because south burlington is pressure by the fact that they've lost tax revenue because the houses aren't there anymore nobody's there to pay those houses it's just vacant land burlington is paying a much lower rate so south burlington wants to recoup its loss it's going to change the zoning that's the thinking that these developers who pushed city officials to demolish to purge to apply for grants by the commercial and industrial is that you're thinking you could have much more noise and still have commercial or industrial you can't so that's a good question for residential we don't open the windows send your kids  the noise level they call it sixty five d l that's an average over the whole year of noise for commercial and residential it can be seventy or seventy five  so because you don't open the windows you have air conditioning there are no kids going out to quiet in the afternoon so for those kinds of things they can have high noise like make sense but they are going to be thousands of families whose land isn't going to purchase the juice houses aren't going to be taken for this purpose because they don't happen to be in the commercially valuable area right across from the airport entrance and thirty five basing is that the noise is the driver for getting the grants so that the land can be purchased for free what can be acquired for free by burlington from the homeowners and then demolished and now it can be redeveloped by developers and they get the private profit cooperate and so far south burlington has been cooperating but that's what they have it's like no risk capital is usually a capitalist has to put their money in and hope for return here they've got a scheme where they don't even have to put money in they get grants from the federal government to acquire the land it's a racket  your congressman and the governor and the mayor of burlington a very strong supporters of basing of thirty five jets i think this this profit for a small minority of developers is a factor but they don't want to talk about that but i but the jobs issue is totally bogus what really limits jobs and shit in the county is hauser if you want to hire somebody at dealer dot com it's very difficult if they already live here you can but if you want to bring them in from somewhere else around the country what's going to make it hard is finding affordable housing and so for the housing is what is the biggest problem for increasing employment in the whole county so yeah he can live thirty miles out or twenty miles somewhere and maybe find affordable house but to live new with the work is very difficult but in the burlington and in the whole general area so here we have a situation where we've been told that this is a jobs creator that somehow the f thirty five is a program for jobs but it's really limited because it contradicts affordable housing thousands of houses are on a degraded situation three thousand homes are degraded and only livable what the f a a calls  unsuitable for residential use because of the intense noise is experienced and this is not good for building things not just humans but animals also so it's it's not it's not it it's not what you would do for jobs what you would do for jobs is stop the fighter jets open up these these three thousand homes to be of but to be suitable for residential use and the other reason why the jobs are going into schools is because this fewer jobs with the f thirty five and even there are with the f sixteen with the have sixteen the maintenance for those eighteen planes is done at the burlington airport that elsewhere so the jobs issue isn't even there most air national guard members are volunteers they work full time jobs in the private sector and they only come to be air national guard active duty one weekend a month and they get they only get something like three thousand dollars a year as compensation for that time so it's not really a job that's seven hundred of the members you know the three hundred are full time military personnel so it isn't really a jobs program it's putting jobs at risk to put f thirty five in the burlington area there are really good jobs that would be available if these of affordable housing was more available and shit didn't count so that you know we we do have some political figures who have spoken out one of them spoke in this class last year an air force colonel who's retired named roseanne greco and she had worked in the pentagon she worked for colin powell who was who later became the i think he became the secretary of state or and so thoughtful people who've really studied the issue are against  she said she was all active for the city council so we do have some political figures but the make the butt wall to wall the top elected officials in vermont are supporting the base and i don't have an expert and one of the interesting feature of this is that they don't want to talk about it we have applied to meet with them to discuss it like you would on any other issue that is  concern to citizens you can make an appointment with senator sanders or congressman walsh or senator leahy to talk about anything except f thirty five they won't talk to citizen now they may talk to the business community about it there are certain business organizations that they're there and they'll talk to the members of the guard but to talk to citizen groups it was forbidden we couldn't get an appointment so we went to their offices anyway and we tried to talk to make an appointment to talk to them on the phone even to let's let's have your point of view they won't debate it they won't appear in public to talk about th so that automatically means there's something suspect about it what is really behind the basing of f thirty five jets in a city we don't have an right yesterday we got the answer from the city clerk we've been collecting signatures since early november and we've collected something like two thousand seven hundred signatures in the freezing cold a little bit indoors at the farmer's market at the davis center and that some other places around town but mostly outdoors and it's been daunting but we did collect according to the city clerk yesterday we were told that we collected the one thousand seven hundred eighty seven valid signatures they don't count signatures of burlington voters who moved and didn't change their address on the voter checklist so  somebody wasn't registered to vote of course they wouldn't they wouldn't count that but we did make the required number so we're going to have a news conference tomorrow morning at ten o'clock in front of burlington city hall on church street to announce that we have accomplished that huge daunting task of collecting signatures and some students said you v m participated could it in collecting and a we're going to and the from to do succeed in getting on the ballot which requires a vote by the well into the city council and that's going to come up at the growing city council meeting on january twenty ninth a week from monday so if you'd like to come to that meeting and fabulous and you could you could actually speak at the meeting they have an open microphone i think it usually starts around seven thirty we'll have to confirm that they'll give you at least two minutes to speak and sometimes three depending on how many people are lined up to speak what we do when you get to the meeting is you fill out of a little form and that goes to the city clerk and then the court gives it to the council councilor who's chairing the meeting jane o'dell who's a professor here at uva am or maybe should she used to be yeah and so aga we'll call on people on that list and you can speak they have a time my recommendation is that you make one point and you baelish that point you  really focus on just one tried citizen one thing and say it well and give a lot of facts to support your point and it's really good practice for public speaking and i think the city councillor are likely to pay a lot of attention to students to young people yeah older people are always speaking at those meetings they don't get a lot of young people so if you do come and you would like to to speak then you're certainly welcome to do it and i think it'll be very effective to if they hear from ten or fifteen or more young people saying look put this on the ballot  leahy so the air force made the decision to base to choose burlington even though the environmental impact statement says that broiling tim was last on the list from an environmental point of view and from several other points of view like a military operations but senator leahy at the time was this was the  he still is the senior senator in the senate he's the longest serving senator and so he has a lot of authority and he called up the court according to the documents that we have that get that decision to be here i'm not so you know senator leahy he lives a little sex far away from here he isn't subjected to i don't know what his reasoning is it's not necessary for national defen there was no justification for this one the other there's one other negative feature of the f thirty five that we know about that i just like to briefly mention and that's the you add up the number of hours for all of them it's it's a it's in the tens of thousands of hours for the f sixteen when it got here in one thousand nine hundred six it had a million flight hours for the whole fleet of f sixteen s there's been hundreds of crashes of f sixteen and they learned from all these crashes and so by the time it got here it's crash rate had gone down from a very high level to a much lower level after a million flight hours and hundreds of crashes f thirty five is going to have that experience it's only going to have all three versions of it and they're all quite different from each other so you should count them separately  thirty five a is going to have fewer than fifty thousand maybe one hundred thousand flight hours nowhere near and the old learning that the f sixteen had but what's even worse is what it's made o sixteen is made of aluminum it's not a flammable material the f thirty five is made up of flammable material it's made of forty percent of it or about eight thousand to ten thousand pounds of carbon composite material like flight is sort of like fiberglass or what tennis rackets this carbon material very strong but it's and it's very light but it burns and when it burns it doesn't burn has all these fibers that come out in the in the sofa crashes in the conflagration with the fuel burning as i think three thousand gallons of fuel that will burn starts the body on fire there's also a stealth coating which nobody knows exactly what it's made of or haven't been public or say so we don't know but that also burns and it emits toxic chemicals fibers and particula that are very dangerous this is not the kind of thing you want to put in the city it's only makes sense don't put it in a city put it away from people and that's what the air force in its own report says this is an accident that must be prevented and the way to prevent it is to not have it near people because it's going to crash these planes crash as i said the f sixteen s that hundreds of crashes you have thirty five during the course of its life time is also going to have hundreds of questions so you don't put it in a city it's just mind boggling that they do this is why we have to stop it and so far they have not given the public a chance to participate not even to talk to our elected leaders so we put a lot of effort into putting this on the ballot now it's really on a knife age now because we have the signatures they can't deny it because we don't have the signatures so they have to come up with some of the reason to prevent us the public who owns the airport remember this is the burlington munis airport it's owned by the city of burlington which means it's owned by the people of burlington and they're going to i think there's a good chance that they're going to say no you can't vote on whether to request here's what the resolution sa just asks it has as part of our strong support for the men and women of the vermont national guard and especially their mission to quote this is their own website that says this protect the citizens of vermont that's their mission to protect the citizens along so the voters would advise the city council to request the cancellation of the planned basing of f thirty five at the burlington international airport and request instead local noise level equipment with a proven high safety record that means no crashes and  so determined to base at thirty five jets in the city this isn't a question we don't have the answer to but i think young people coming and demanding answers it's going to be hard for them to keep that to keep this from being from the facts from coming out what is it is it really just those forty four acres and the profit that certain developers can make if that land ok so town meeting is march six so in burlington you can if you're a student here you can register to vote in vermont if you're eighteen and if you're u s citizen i think you can even be seventeen vote in vermont and especially right here in brawling to have a town you live in in vermont or whatever state you come from is one is your residing here in and going to school developing skills so when i was before i got involved in these things i would i wasn't a speaker i wasn't a writer i wasn't able to you know so i've learned how to do these things by participating i think i think you get you go to classes in college and you take notes and you were a certain amount but when you actually are doing it that's when you really learn so when i was in college yes i took classes i found that my grades were higher those semesters where i was actively with there was more activity to be involved in and i was active more actively involved and each semester where there was less activity somehow i had more time the war and militarism this is a play and also i think this is very tied in with one of the one of the thing there are two things as you probably know there are two threats to say that affect of fuel or oil massive amounts of oil burning to make war for oil it's like this is you were talking about the pipeline this is the pipeline on steroids this is this is fuel dream ok but you need wars and we're seeing them going on right now in the middle east to control fossil fuels and it's going to increase because as it gets as fossi fuels are depleted if we don't move away from the fossil fuel economy is going to be more wars for oil and wars to control the oil and to keep other countries from getting and so on so that's what this plan is really about we don't need this place because we don't need to be expanding the use of fossil fuels we need to stop using fossil fuels if we're going to preserve the quiet and prevent a catastrophic increase in temperature which we know causes we just had the mudslides from flooding in california before that we had the fires from the drought in california and then we've had those three hurricanes massive destruction and this is intensifying climate disaster and we've been seeing this increase as over the last number of years it's going to keep getting worse why are we putting one point four trillion into a plane diverting the money from building the solar panels building the windmills building the geothermal you know all the things we could be doing to preserve the planet yeah ok that one point four trillion is the lifetime cost of the f thirty five program is what they're estimating so it's to purchase the planes which is only about a third of the cost two thirds of the cost of the f thirty five is after ds built in service and just to keep it maintained because when they fly they have to do a lot of maintenance on the plane especially because of the stealth coding on so and to buy the fuel for it and training i don't know if it includes the training of the pilots i don't know if that's part of the cost but this is a huge this is the most expensive weapons program in u houses from the home so growing to doesn't have that fifty seven million but they do have the land and that land can be developed so it has it has some value it has quite a bit of value and the other thing several other missions that can that it can better protect the monsters some of the missions the air force already has but the air force doesn't have the right missions as far as i'm concerned we need air force that's go protect vermonters from what really threatens well monsters we had hurricane irene we've had we have the threat of more of those kinds of climate disasters we need an air force that's going to have the equipment to save people's lives when we have the next emergency like that and that came function to help reduce the temperature to to change the whole environment that we have so that we have protection and so that we don't have this runaway climate of global warming climate disaster and if you have an air force to protect the monitors that ground right ok i think the most effective tactic is one where you could mobilize large numbers of people just and i think and i mentioned before having a human rights principle demand that's something that can appeal to large numbers of people then having actions that people can participate in safely and without the risk with minimum risk to themself so giving people a chance to participate so we have on the blackboard this ego this word low ego you know there is always the temptation to make yourself to do something for your own satisfaction to make yourself feel better that you are doing something that is against this monstrosity that will make you feel at least you're doing your share but i think it really to be a it to be affective it isn't about ego it's about lowell and it's about what can we do to bring in the most people to participate in the action now there are some times when people are have been will do will go beyond just that and they'll be sitting sometimes people are willing to sit in the street or sit you know do something that goes that  might expose them to being arrested but those kinds of actions are not the ones that people will start with you know if people want to come to a meeting they want to they may come they may sign a petition they may participate in a march or a rally that's legal and peaceful that you can't control the police they may attack anyone but the idea is to prevent that kind of thing from happening maybe i was at the climate march in new york two years when was it not in two thousand and fifteen i think he was there were two hundred fifty thousand people the police i did everything they could to facilitate the demonstrators they were smiling they were singing with us they were practically participating in the  skilled we do we go observing so we watch what the police are doing at these demonstrations and then if they if they arrest people we can testify or we can provide our information to the lawyer who's handling that case so i went down to wall street where there was going to be another demonstration people decided to sit in and there were thousands of people at this demonstration too but it wasn't two hundred fifty thousand and this is where the  to change so i think it's important to have principled human rights demand to have actions where large numbers of people can participate where it isn't just a few hero who and and to get the as many people from the public the composition the participants feeling comfortable and safe so they can participate in action and so  i think that's a good formula at least as a starting point for tactics