it is now nine o two my name is diane couch i'm the chair of the committee and before we get started can we ask everybody in the gallery and in the room to please turn their phones off or at least put them in morning mike victor you know good morning and council chair white good morning i'm actually pleasantly surprised to see some of you who here who said you weren't going to be here so that's good i like it all right we have to nonvoting members and they're not here today from the planning department we have right now kurt how do well  it's ok thank you and a couple other people who will be up for the next couple of items we may have parks department and i'm not sure i don't see them here yet but they should be coming good morning ladies we'll get back to you in just a minute all right members we have three items up today we have p c thirty which is the annual status report of maui electric and then p c two which is mckenna resort change in zoning compliance relation relating to access for parks and recreation and p c thirty two transit vacation rentals and planned developments we're going to start public testimony real soon but before we do for individuals testifying in chamber please sign up at the desk outside the chamber door if testifying from remote testimony site please sign up with the district office staff testimony will be limited to the three items i just listed on the agenda today and pursuant to the rules of the council each testifier will be allowed to testify for up to three minutes per item with an additional one minute and well we're going to be using a lighting system the green light will be on for three minutes and then the yellow light will be ok public testimony is open let's first go to the first testifier was signed up as isaac call followed by jack to place to park city either end of model walk of beach those two parks have been great successes there's been extensive public use of both of those parks it was always intended that they would both be expanded but particularly the one at the south end of model walk the beach and the understanding was that it would be expanded the south park would be expanded in the south direction that actually got put in the change in zoning as condition number thirty two then to our surprise that is the who we surprise there was some effort to expand the park to the north and that led to the my letter in two thousand and eleven objecting to it and expansion to the north but since two thousand and eleven we have worked with the resort and other groups also have worked with the resort and there's an agreement at this point in time that the park is going to be expanded to the south and there had to be a change in zoning to facilitate that i think that's happened in and made speak to that that is and it's very good because there's ma walk a point there that's used by a very good additional park area in the southern direction it's used by fishermen and it also and starts the trail towards on uli beach and the trail going down to only will the beach is also open as well so it's a great coastal resource so the concerns that i raise in my letter of two thousand and eleven i no longer have i'm very happy with the progress that's we made it hasn't totally been completed but there is a map now of where that how how the park is going to be expanded to the south and so there will be a total of one point five acres in size and i believe that it will be as great a success as the initial beach so i'm here to testify about the p c thirty two i represent the association of apartment owners of all iowa my understanding is that this this bill has been  been otherwise completely qualifies for this particular mehmet it was formed prior to eighty one it's spinning gates in short term rentals of thirty three days or more  entire project is supportive of that there's no dissent in the project the board is approved it they just want to see some clarity they believe that it's only fair that they be included with other planned unit questions that testify or seeing none thank you all right will go to the district offices on a district office you have anybody there waiting to testify there is not one waiting to testify  and if anybody else was wanting to testify going once going to us ok members seeing nobody coming down the testify and nobody at the district offices without objection for close public testimony you know ok public testimony is close are parse apply engineer today what we'd like to do is give you a brief highlight of the status report that we filed on our way in a property as it relates to developing power generating needs for the island of m we also want to make ourselves available for questions that you may have some back in two thousand we received approval for the rezoning of the y in our property to help meet an anticipated need for a new generation on the island of maui we've been fortunate that to date we have been able to refer the need for a new capacity for the past few years and it's tied to changes in the demand for electricity shifting economy and energy efficiency equipment that our customers have installed at their facilities so those are key contributors on how we've been able to defer the need for new capacity on r i n n today renewable energy is an important part of what we deliver residential and business customers since our commitment to clean energy in two thousand and eight we've made a lot of progress in integrating renewable energy as a percentage of our electricity and in two thousand and eight the percentage o sales from an energy resources like wind solar and bio mass was fourteen percent and as of last year at the end of this we were at thirty five percent so this is four years ahead of the milestone of thirty percent renewable energy by twenty thirty and we were able to do that because we collaborated with partners customers interested who made investments  to the lion a property itself on may fifth my electric submitted a request to the public utilities commission to begin the process for adding additional generation on maui and as you heard churn mention my electric along with the maui community has been able to defer the need for a new generating station for years but our forecast once again show it's required the request was for approximately forty megawatts of new generation needed in large part due to our plans to retire the kahlua power plant half of that forty megawatts is to be renewable farm generation and the other half is to be a fuel flexible or able to be operated both on conventional and renewable fuels for generation maoi electric needs to follow the procedure specified by the public utilities commission for adding additional generation and as part of that procedure my electric will have to compete against other bidders to win the right to install the generation it's currently part of our plan should we win to install at least twenty megawatts of renewable generation at the y in a facility it's also possible that other may propose to put generation at the line of facility as part of the request for proposals the new generation is planned to be in operation around the twenty twenty two timeframe until then  is has been using the property for sugar cultivation but with their decision to stop sugar production they have removed the sugar cane and are in the process of adding a ground cover as far as other renewable generating facilities  with a combined total of seventy two megawatts are operating well last year we accepted more wind than any previous year on maui we also mccue i joe a small hydroelectric electric facility on the west side and we have two of our newest independent power per producing facilities just about six megawatts of solar that are in the development phase now and now here's jamie  give an update on with top solar and customer programs good morning i'm going to give an update on rooftop solar and the available customer programs that we have for maui county now energy metering started in two thousand and one and it's been a success in october of two thousand and fifteen the p u c issued a decision an order which essentially close the net energy metering program for further applications and by electricity issues a one year pre approval period pre approved and pending installation and at that time in october two thousand and fifteen that decision an order from the p c established to new energy programs for customers customer grid supply and customer self supply and there was a initial cap that was imposed by the p c at five megawatts for maui county five megawatts for the big island and twenty five megawatts for a walk to and at the moment we have pre approved five megawatts of customer g for maui county and at the moment we have a point three nine megawatts of customer good supply actually executed and installed as of the end of august of this year twenty sixteen for a sum total between customer good supply the feed in tariff program the standard interconnection agreement program and the energy metering currently as of the end of august twenty sixth seen we have over eighty seven megawatts of customer sited distributed generation on our systems on maui molokai and when i so this represents a significant portion of our energy supply especially during the day some of those systems do have battery systems for the customer use  but they get this represents a significant amount of energy on our system during the day going forward we're always looking at ways we can enter integrate more renewable energy and also more customer sited  systems and there's an open docket with the p c to investigate what we're calling distributed energy resources two point zero which is investigating new and innovative programs for our customers moving forward into the future  white thank you chair you mentioned eighty seven megawatts of renewable during the day what is the total that's used during the day what percentage of the eighty seven a really good question considering that the bulk of all of these systems are customer sited systems so they're their individual systems mapped out all over our system it's hard for us to determine exactly how much of that energy is used for primarily the customer uses their energy first and then that excess energy is then converted into nam credits for specific to that program so it's hard to determine exactly how much of that energy is actually used on the system precisely does that help answer the questions you may need the most isolated away so how much are you having to generate during the day to make up for whatever is  not being supplied by the customer so i think one point one point aspect to remember is that when customers feed into the grid we have to constantly balance our generation to load right so that drives our generators down during the day so we have to react to that so that in fact we are generating less from our units because of daytime solar right  i was just trying to get a sense of how much you're generating versus how much is being supplied on site that can add to that sure and it will vary from you know whether it's a sunny or windy day but i y sixteen megawatts of customers that have been pre approved for the net energy metering program so that means that if we issued you a letter that means you have a year to put it in and so those are all the ones that have been issued that letter and they are in the process of getting their financing working with their installer or getting their permeating it hasn't actually been installed and the agreement hasn't been signed yet so it's those are sick that's sixteen megawatts of projects that we've accounted for and we have made available for customers and years still accepting applications we're still accepting applications for the customer self supply program and standard interconnection agreements and typically standard in connection agreements are for a larger systems that seek to offset their load and not export and the customer self supply program is a non export system as well or a program as well do you have any statistics on what is that investment of buying a p v system we could we could get some information for you i think it might be very interesting i attended a meeting last week with the filipino chamber of commerce and they brought in the director of the bed mr cell very young and he mentioned some astronomical figures on our way and i think it's something that we ought to tell the public so that they would understand it was in one hundred percent and it was very impressive of course i have a p v system and i love my nine thousand dollar bill but you know i know there's people that are still hesitating and are still thinking about you know is it worth it i or somebody told me the other day  hundred fifty dollars a month and i say wouldn't you like that to be nineteen but you know i think there's still people don't really understand how it works that's a good point and we're constantly focused on new ways that we can educate our customers and the industry and the public at large on how the system ah the different energy programs work what is the customer's responsibility as far as research getting quotes and things like that we firmly believe the electric company still has a big part in educating and we're always striving to get ourselves connected with the customer at the being in the process so they're well aware of what what's ahead of them thank you very much and you know we're very happy to see right but that's my understanding is that program is no longer available that correct or that maybe that's what that's what's in the queue but if you haven't signed up for the original that energy system i don't believe it's available anymore so the net energy metering program is fully subscribed and active so that means that anybody that's in the program were main in the program all of those people that i mentioned in that sixteen megawa group of pre approved systems will be in that program and the program is closed for new applications so it is a fully subscribed and active program so right we need to be really clear about that because  there are still people that are still installing their systems so going forward the benefit is is mostly because you'll be able to offset your energy usage by having it generated on site but you're not going to get you know i can get the same same value back if you produce more than you are using that particular times correct that's correct so the economics are credits i believe are still there for now so you get the credits but you'll get the same economics from you over generation right that's correct thanks and some of the recalibrations for the new program sought to address a lot of oversizing of systems which we have seen with the c g s program size for net energy metering systems around six point five for the whole program and for customer good supplier the new system size is around ten k w so the average system size actually went up which was not the intent and i think it was just a reaction from from the industry because the economics are different so again that get that's get back that gets back to education we werefor just focused on making sure the customers are abundantly aware of the differences in the program and and what they're getting involved with at the onset thank you economic impact is it that consumers have to be much more careful in the sizing of their systems again that you see a lot of systems were oversized or large in capacity because you could sell back to the utility but with that being said now you've got to be really careful exactly how much you're actually using and trying to fit your system accordingly that's correct that situation is actually it's more pronounced and more acute with the change in programs and in theory that practice should have always been in place when sizing systems for an energy metering well it didn't take place the way it was as well as commercial systems battery systems that are being offered to save energy especially now that you don't have this buy back if you want to make sure that you have enough capacity and stories because again sun's only up during the day and at night you know if you need more than that means you flip back to the grid has have you seen a turn towards an improvement in the battery systems that are out there because you see all these commercials you know giving you all these great ideas and i'm not sure if the public really understands what that means also sure so generally the electric company does not give endorsements for one product or one company what we have seen  in general in the industry is a vast improvement in battery systems that are available to customers and you know systems that are you know sort of off the shelf and very easy to implement so the game has definitely changed as far questions i have one quick question i think it was mr mcnabb's talked about the if you guys win a request for proposal who's who's making the request for proposal and that your land so you know i don't know it so as part of the process the public utilities commission put out for us to follow and it's you know started to promote competition so will will go out for p request for proposals for this new generation it'll be the be oversight by independent observer and will just be one of the bidders and so the independent observer along with a separate team my electric or the wind electric companies will evaluate the bid separate from the team that put forth the bad evaluate all the bids and then the best will be chosen regardless of you know who who it came from so our plans is definitely to put a new generation at wine and as part of that process you know if it's going to be the best for the customers we're also thinking about making the wine a facility available ok thank you that ends my questions members ok thank you very much for being here members normally i would father to communicate county very general communications but we're approaching the end of the term and they will auto file so to for parks and recreation and this is a county communication from attorney isaac regarding change in zoning condition number thirty two relating to expansion of the park area and milo aka beach in mckenna we also have correspondence from playing director from and twelve with map showing the plan for compliance with the zoning condition my understand since that time a lot of progress has been made we owe went out there most of us went out there for a site visit my schedule this item so that  committee may receive an update on the status so if we can go with mr spence or miss crew i don't know by the way welcome  one issue that had come up through the process was that that area south of the existing park was zoned  and that that that use did not provide for the park just general park use it was primarily a golf course zoning and since then the county has done  an update of the park district ordinance where there are basically two park districts now one is just the p k district which is just general park districts and then there's  golf course and that is where your golf courses comes in but within that area you can have parks so now the expansion the point six six acre expansion members i had a discussion with mckenna a t c and they're the ones that showed me the map that i believe you have in the letter dated nine sixteen and it looks like it's exactly what the everybody was looking for including us so are there any questions that anybody has for this one i just wanted to bring this up to let you know that through everybody's work we got something that made is making everybody happy i would like to ask the parks director if he's ok with what the  proposed the proposal is as well so we can get parks director to come down i know i know you just shaking here you're nodding your head but we decided to get it on record company we have no real concerns about that park parcel be proposed but we are working with some concerns from the current look at a lot of the issues that we are working with when it comes to parking commercial lending so we're working on that a separate case but as far as what's being proposed here in front of counsel there's no concerns and i standpoint ok thank you members any questions all right if you notice the september sixteenth  letter it also says that they're just finalizing some surveys and whatnot but i think everybody the whole reason it was brought up to us is because there was some concern of where that was going to be it looks like everything is is in the right place so  i'm ready for recommend to make my recommendation numbers i would like to in this case i definitely want to file county communication eleven dash two two to recommend the filing of communication any discussion seeing none of those in favor please say i suppose but the records show that the there are seven zero nose and zero excuse by the started as a county communication for me transmitting a proposed resolution to refer the proposed bill we are considering today to the planning commission the proposed bill would allow transit make a vacation rolls out to all a lower project in the passage of the build the one i plan to commission offered no comment smoke i planning commission did not recommend passage of the bill and i asked that the council consider a bill to clean up all condominium projects in the county in fact this is this is the last one that has the issue and we were going we had had it in when we did the pool mana bill we realized that that one that was included in that but we hadn't heard from the request for legal services data september thirteenth two thousand and sixteen department do you have any questions or consider comments to press the button no discussion about it to us right so since then we have had so i guess i just want to double check and make sure that this is it including of there are areas we have not spoken about coconut in you know i think they came up during the pool mana discussions of a road you know i mean i don't know maybe other places have opened up in that the approach whoever and now it's here being right in this mix too so i just want to make sure it's clear that this isn't allowing others that we have not spoken about or increase seen other than ok allowing a live look it's my understanding because we had that matrix of who was what  was the only one and we were able to find the one the thing that excluded them but we can absolve the department respond if they know of any of those satisfy your concerns mr cochran yes ok members any other questions see none i'm ready to make my recommendation i mean there's i will entertain a motion to recommend passage on first reading of the proposed bill and title the bill for an ordinance relating to transit vacation in those and planned developments and to allow staff to make nonce of stand to revisions and to file the counter communication so  d it's been moved by mr carroll and seconded by a member by some to recommend passage of the bill for any discussion chair miss cochran so just real quickly i just want to make paul quadruples fisher such as who recently going to come back online to be discussed and having a single family i think members thank you very much were done before the some of the people that had to go again another quick p c meeting thank you for the department thank you for the staff this meeting is