but i submit that they're not necessarily true one of them has to do with community and location in school and the other has to do with friends relatives and other significant who have a relationship with a minor child that we've risen to the poor was these are mom rules it's mom's house not just a physical location because of the time they physically separated when she moved down she moved in august of two thousand a physical custody he actually had last time with his children correct and you're suggesting because of the fact that she had a mother had this child  relationship that that kind of trumps his period that he that he would be entitled to spend with his children not so it was strong but for the first time three sisters were not living most of the time relationship with their sister but also give them a home place of of stability where this is going time with the with still the way it is they don't really feel like they have a home but the standard parenting orders that we see where every other week case didn't the court try to go inside the visitation or the time period with the mom at the same time that she would have custody of her of the s model of flexibility for soliciting relationship with with children you know the parent so and that's probably true but i think in there was some allegations about some of the things the mothers said her actions were she offered the text messages back and forth and we come to find out that all this time besides not abiding by she was leaving the children with her boyfriend and this was not agreed to by having this was not something that he knew it when he found out it was basically this this is it's too bad this is the way it's going to be and with regard to the tumbling and the cheer practice kevin  going to was going to attend school in the fall and there were several other incidents where mr zeigler did step in and watch the shoulder and in a two or two thousand and he jumped at the chance to get that time with his girls but she opted not to give him that time and i she did not put in a brass band so it ended up being a moot issue however she wasn't going danger it was an entity it was doing with his daughter and they were helping each other put up the christmas lights and he now believes he is putting her in danger she would have been poor they must have been some concern there well we reached the agreement and it was we were basically that day we there were hearings analysts and we were negotiating a bulls to equally divided as possible because he thought the girls were young and that there was a great importance and ball parents being involved and that he wouldn't want to take that  through hell when when kelly was asked the same life and her response was that she was not going to like us he could work and then she wanted the girls for the majority of the time and having to only get every other weekend and one mary which just an hour with her schedule and just groups was very clear in chambers and on the record on several occasions that he was a proponent local parents being involved in this was not going to be a weekend here in the situation he is now willing to take it away from either here if they wanted to be involved in active school extracurricular activities here and teacher conference conferences and picking the heard from school so we have a person that wants to be involved not only with his children but with someone that he helped to raise for several years during the marriage and he just doesn't want to have time with his kids limited to a week residence and continue to live there and he didn't want to see the same instability or his two year old has it while she was making ok thank you thank you about he had a very detailed list of all the expenses he had paid for the children which didn't even come close to that one thousand one hundred seventy five dollars mark so that's part of we're asking for more in the way of really messing with me about testified in detail about all the social events that they went to prior to the separation in which she would be taking here the kids while they had been drinking so that she could drive home and they did that on a number of occasions