we either change or move or modify without screwing up the entire purpose of the plan and then i and then i have a specific question about a specific item and i to this to comply with this code and is simply a sale does that imply a change so that this form it goes up works that i wouldn't want to undermine it and i don't think that change that painting a railing brilliance of black is going to destroy the community but i worry about each of us taking three things that we have more sort of trust what he's written  a couple of buildings that are painted while colors why is that wrong why is that something that doesn't belong here i mean yes we looked at certain things and people said yeah that's pretty but i don't think that means everything has to look like that and that things have to be quite so uniform it because there are lots of places that it is very very restrained and are very very special places can you know because if you can just start the public process then you have the time to do the due diligence that you really want to spend on it to change things to actually work on the details of what you know you might need to do for idling on drugs or whatever i mean or or get rid of whatever happens but i think public input is one of the things it's going to make you because this was a public driven process rather than planning commission process and we'd like to see those yet and so we'd like to see what the public input is sooner rather than later though i just wanted to point out that they really wanted to work on this i'd worked through  mark my question really is this was this was a slip or term project that has then been added to by the public and so i'm not sure what and i don't have any feeling one way or another but i'm not sure what your point i guess i'd like to start by i guess i'll just say that right now i definitely think it's too soon for you to warn innocent jump there's a gun before the planet commission's looks at this thing i am a supporter of performing a co but i would like to go back a little bit i've been sat here for over an hour and i ask you some specific questions myself i'll listen to the others speak because i want to hear what their concerns were but i also have some concerns and i would like to bring them up and get some answers myself from me on because it would be a big deal to me and how will i personally move forward and i think it is important  well i thought a little bit with brian but i haven't got answers and it's far from ins that i think if i bring these up and so forth it will also raise the questions and concerns make you people aware  important while i'm with the rest of this stuff that that that infrastructure gets addressed on that side of the street as well as davidson's very another thing that you play and is a you're not allowing you're not all the allowing for the curve got to come in on line with the city mail road in dickinson street and on our property where it should come as a four way  them and i don't get the answers to how we're going to address the whole situation was specifically gave you a plan man here in the us on a wednesday after you made your last meeting with the town and we were out of how we were going to enter the parking lot for groceries know her and you specifically said i couldn't happen either way but yet you don't give us any alternative and not fits into the plan i hear drawing that it yourself and myself because i can tell you right now where the problem lies here in the planning commission and me a celeb whore should understand something here number one i have a mic i want to cooperate with the town and be under the new form a's go and work as a fee what i have a problem with is that they are only willing to spend x amount of dollars the people i'm talking to say to me you know make no bones about it we can build up this can go forward we can build a grocery store another one we need out in richmond because there's one school small  can't get out of answer so that i can bring those people and try to either ivory trade permit everybody understand the situation and see if we could work somewhere to move forward as of yesterday you need to hire an architect or you listen to please don't interrupt me wanted forward we have to have some of the fire discussions and so forth and i say that it isn't ready to give the public and so forth other than katherine wanting to get this stuff in place so we can go in under the other corner or anything outside i have no intention of doing that i want to work with this but if you don't work with me on dickens's street and these other issues like this facade right here you're not going to get it done and to just show me an example and i probably shouldn't talk about you take dollar general dollar general i know the positions of town talk and everybody knows what's going on here and there and you guys did win there and i can bet your my life that dollar general going to build there and all you did was cover yourself trouble when i was willing to work with you and stand to them took the position of they have no right they can legally and they took a side of somebody they didn't even support their own boards now if you want to go in there with this project you just keep it and work me through it so what we get out and with my people and you'll get to a grocery store and you'll get them up to your terms and the buildings will look around but if you're not willing to do that it's just going to break again you're not going to give me any choice you question yes in my correcting record hearing what you're saying that you're not eating or operation we're trying to figure out what this code would do for your or because all the water in the town runs downhill and it runs from park street all the way down through and comes out they can sunscreen at the end by route fifty and it comes out at another man all th in one dimension and the other one to go along or along the road that there's no one it can lease or do anything with those buildings in favor generally you know i'm i'm just saying it doesn't seem to fit by the codes and the structures that they got in  you've got to build in this call they just don't want to do it you know a bale conforms everybody want to be there and that isn't what's going to happen what they'll do is go somewhere else it's easier and do it somewhere else unless we can prove to all her cooperate and have reasonable structures that i didn't happen that fast for me and it righted the bird just like what happened when we did the rehab jim when we got to work it out now statement is is that you're not getting where i feel i'm not getting the cooperation is and for example of dickens history i came to the slight board and i asked them to meet and discuss the role and when i turned people and i think anybody that knows me walks her realizes that i want to look and fit into this so regulations here and i want it to work but i have to understand it and i did not get cooperation to say yes you can do it but let's try to get them to spend whatever we can and to make it look a fit and make your project get it but i have men get an answer of the application of these regulations to helen fit to any buildings on this project can we talk to you about specific drawings and so forth and i'd be glad to carry o further with those kind of things sounds like you guys have some more conversations i have all the absolute we're glad that you're here being part of this this is obviously a key component of this particular thing in this village center which is the whole point of these regulations so hopefully these conversations will happen it sounds like brian's could really help you get the answers you're looking for but it's not  plans but when we said let's say for example we don't want to build a park at all and we want to change this and this and then yes it's not always the answers i get no no no we don't want to do that but you when i was on the planning commission and either you figure out what you want then you have a meeting that you would offer to the public you're going to have an understanding of this yourself or you're going to have one meeting you're going to happen to understanding of th would you agree with everything in your mind is x number of planners and will support this thing i think you raise a lot of questions that you need some time to figure out these answers bill and this is the same kind of thing that i'm finding here ok thank you for your  still have time for a moment to plan a commission meet to discuss this so the question to put out here for the planning commission hears do we feel that that's enough time to address the issues that we've raised and been raised here before a public hearing so that we feel that we can adequately address if not all of them the majority of them before the public gets a chance to take a look at less issues less question more this thing might look look like when the phone the public hearing that for me feels a little funny but this is an opportunity and i really want to encourage david to hang in there is long as you can this is an in house department to really clean it up and then you know that's i mean that's what we're looking for general of the stats but that is your problem that is it's both of us it's the town and it's not right word it's not there we don't saw a year and a half ago or a year ago at the at the middle school and which you live this is what it looks like when you put it down on paper why do you think just just like that not selling i page thirty seven that is horrifying to me ninety percent of businesses in this town right now are some which house you know for it's a house that's been converted into a business so for most of the public they're going to look at that are great questions but if it's not ready for you guys and you guys know the process it's kind of it's definitely not ready for me i don't want to go in the public hearing where you guys aren't ready to have answers on all those questions because those are the questions i'm going to happen i expect you guys to be the subject matter experts if i go into the meeting and you say well we don't really write this and we don't really ask for this but we're holding the speech and you guys can ask us saying you got much but we don't have answers we're going to have the consult here who took it from scratch we're going to have a professional player who has been working with them here to provide those answers we have questions still as you can hear in other ways i percent sure the public will as well you these recommendations to look regulations look over rather than creating new regulations to give to them your role here is different and as such your public hearing is going to function differently not necessarily as a straight public from issuing permits they ever in other words they have to follow these regulations and that's exactly what's going on those two are going to the two sides are going against each other and we're get bound up in this for years for not care reform so i think that it's good that the play commission wants to understand it better and i think that maybe the punishment stuff should be trying to show the public what image you know what feel is created through this code and try to be presenting not to the public and say look all that all the vision and concepts and ideas that you gave us at the five day planes right are now being expressed through the code and this is what you're getting is what you're getting here what you told us you wanted because we think it is but we just want to talk with you john i mean i know you're saying but i don't mind having members of the public know if you can say i think in the architectural standards there really are things that are questionable  i think they have every right just as we have every right to voice concerns humanity individual basis it'll probably be helpful too because just as we're just interviewed for this and we're still trying to digest it it's a whole different type of thing as a whole to whatever not you know take on those pieces out without destroying your integrity of the product so if you have you know my concerns you have the public you know where you know the different things that they don't like some of those you know what some point time and it's the decision was made to remove internally eliminate it to disallow internally eliminated signs in the town as a whole so the planning commission would have the time that they need to discuss all the details so  those changes are reflected here in the memo highlighted in yellow  in september but states a state law was passed in the spring requiring that town plans be updated prior to any village center designation applications being considered any renewals being considered time plans need to be updated to contain language talking about how the village than a dozen nation has helped the town what's available and also including a map that shows the specific boundaries of the village centers designations now resulting boundaries don't exactly correspond with a village center designated boundaries and so now that's kind of caused a problem for us and i've been back and forth of the state trying to convince them that the the language that we have the town plan which is very good talking about what the designations do for us is sufficient but they're still hanging us up on that map so we're going to have to do apparently a town plan update just with the now and get it done before september well they said they'll give us a three month extension so september it or or getting getting into the details of wanting to put more things in there which is very tempting is losing the designation which you don't want to do just a matter without a map and i'm waiting for a call back from a regional planning fish and i think we also