good readers of an old like you see the black or white very candle is the preacher whole thing and the same thing with horses they they're really passionate about their breed and this group has been bred for centuries to kind of save the same it was originally bred as the medieval warhorse  carefully for it take it if you want to our recreation of course and actually in the never and horseback riding is the number one sport with women and the number two sport overall for men number one is soccer or football but i late seventy's early eighty's there were park itself that immigrants who knew the force from their homeland most of them were very farmers and they would import a few so there were just a smattering of people in california like the interior of california area you i immigrants they came you know most of holland in this west michigan has immigrants from the they immigrated from the netherlands much earlier but my parents immigrated in the mid to late or fifty's so  how our family got into it it started small and then just a home for your home before she was being there on your farm and what do you do with the horse so we average typically well in the past about fifty horses we've cut down to about thirty thirty five right now my parents are getting older and so my dad he roots really into sales so you love to communicate with people and to sell them of course he just that was the action he's eighty four now still doing it but we kind of wanted him members maybe not so much in this part of it but they help with pay and and just different stuff like that but so my parents live here but they go to the neverland at least once a year sometimes more often and i'm going to also in january the is actually like when my parents did it it was cheaper to buy the free lessons than it was to ship but now i do counseling so if you want to get something under the age of two it would probably cost about seven thousand dollars to get them here between  about fifteen thousand to import now to buy worthless if you something here born in the u s army base typically sell for about ten thousand that's after that we saw about six months of age in an adult course typically eighteen to which is in the netherlands take good stuff about our mirror pick a stallion and find out how to keep the inbreeding low but we do great for these characteristics we want all black or we would love to have a lot of meat that's very pretty you'll see that much the registry is in the netherlands and they kind of keep control of operations over the whole world so each country has their own like chapter or garter association the main which is the breed registry in the now villain's so that for our family were fluent in dutch we don't have any problems with communications at but most people are now you know the original people who are getting these horses were dutch immigrants but that look very rapidly changed so are they help with the registration process and we have our current once a year and michigan they actually they send just to north american three circuits in the u k sententious will be here for two weeks and be the exact excellent quality the very very best of the breed and so because of that you might have a boy horse being born and think you can grow up and become a salmon and you can produce all these babies and make money well  they say i'm just ignore all the rules of that registry and that's fine it's a free country they can do what they want but they're not following the strict guidelines that that have been established for centuries the people and and the breeding qualit deal with they may be more geared for a specific sport and therefore more successful in their experience really been bred for its character and then it's unique book the very romantic look that the  a lot of meaning tail and then just the way the body is formed you know a very great nappy and stuff like that so they're built different they don't have a quick muscles like a quarter horse that you see people doing barrel racing and sitting around this horse want to th for especially movies and television you know if you're doing a period piece of the eighteen hundreds and we want the fantasy team for the royalty to be called and these look royal it is the i don't know you know it's all in what you you know the work is what somebody is going to pay for and you know so this breed is a little more rare and you typically don't ride draft horses there are few people that can ride these so this is so but those kind of people tend to stay quiet a little bit about it but who is our primary market fifty year old women who now they've raised their family they've always loved horses they have horses when they were young but now i'm going to have my kids and  premiums much above average that's kind of the rating for them and then as they become adults they also have the premies but you can get a star status which is a predicate added to the horse's name and that is like the top twenty five percent of the what kind of helps for breeding your breeders mostly if i have high quality mares then i know those are the ones that i want to use for my reproductive plan in my mind reading program and then i get every horse you know what in the course costs money to eat so if you're going to have a horse in the car and if you have just the pasture and you don't cost quite so much you can maybe do it a little cheaper but in reality about you can figure about three thousand for the average horse to take care of it in the so it really did almost become extinct especially after world war two world war one were to work really hard on the first population in europe you know germany came in and people didn't have a clue they were eating most of them they actually still eat horses and it just becomes an average horse generation after generation just breeding to whatever so so there was a campaign of people that said hey we have to be careful not to do this brief of course and then they became really passionate about getting that going to get and then i think the movie is a big moving horse it is originally a middle war horse and so they have the power to lift and carry a lot of weight but they also are a little bit heavier or so every stride they really lift their eyes so you're going to go support so much anyhow i'm quite sure passwords will be here because he likes that but you know we'll probably send you know four or five courses you know you don't want to overgraze the past year either so but i typically their life expectancy is about twenty years and people don't come to you i don't remember people come to the islanders coming to visit your farm yeah so every year we have an open house and most of the time people can come in any time anyhow but we're sandra day in may this year and i'm typically like one to three or two before something like that and we will do a bunch of driving and riding demonstrations people can walk through we have a lot of questions we have all the icecream you can eat and  now we have this probably a hundred farms in michigan maybe a few more that have region horses but a lot of almost might just have one or two and they just enjoy the course there's not very many big breeding operations like ours were for sure the largest in the midwest there are a couple large breeding farms in california and florida or something but where i think about number status is one of the pennsylvania but they were primarily a competitive firm so they minute here who should right or not to be nice or anything they just have never been taught that so the first three years is that and then after that we teach them to ride and ride it all little subtle cues that they very quickly pick up on and so you ask them to do something that says it's just so simple you ask one question time in the answer is either yes or no so you have them to move a certain way or do whatever that you want them to do and if they don't do what you say no and if they don't get a second and say no really  that's a language of horses understand that somebody or some war is a buffy and i i have to do what they want me to do so when you watch like my niece who competes at a very high level she hardly move  kind of shifted a little bit some people just want that look at their horses for their own pleasure and they're not going to have petition other people like i want to get out of the show ring and i want to compete against other groups of courses and i want to have a very athletic course so confined to a star which is not natural for them then maybe you want to keep their mind or keep them busy a little bit or other way to pick up some bad habits but no you know what you know heard it with the open pasture and playing with each other and running around i know they don't need any dirty male and they are required they don't care at all and then as the day gets longer it's a whole cascade of hormones and they they start to produce more and more testosterone in their other reproductive hormones they start to become more hormones you want them to be studied because my business is that they can give me as much as possible because i divide up the chipsets all over so i want to get good quality in a large amount so the estranged jo that that still is because it's cold here in michigan it's still hard to to regulate it so some places like texas and california february march they're going to be asking you for seeing them now you have to heat up a barn and we'll send it out but