qualifications to do that did he counsel and he had to do it even i would say few were qualifications then washburn who the defense asked be barred from testifying as an expert washing but i don't believe that's relevant to what happened with kennedy but we're looking i'm looking at his qualifications versus kennedy's i believe it's a kennedy there are two separate people one thing in this trial counselor he has to hit or engineering at least in the legal sense but i believe you're there's no substitute for putting on your own expert also were to say that there was severe we'll of course rulings on this so foreign to your son what's your assessment of whether or not there was sufficient evidence to support the shy and patent may be the work in all your experience shine pat maybe the worst witness i've ever seen she came forward and she said nothing and initially she was beyond crazy at the time she was initially apprehended law and he did not have the limitations and i think this is interesting and hard in hill they said it may be an abuse of discretion if you don't set forth the limitations so i'm reading this i'm thinking is that up to  think recently in a case that came down after this brief people versus martin the risky try to go to try to get someone to close inside the room and they reverse convictions based on they are the st district and so yes i believe that trying to say move this cold is going east is just too much and we've gotten a disclaimer i mean the sprint representative disagreed with rationing but he clearly in this is why i think general that expert testimony we have to be cautious because it can over persuade and now we've got his science that can over persuade and so we had rashly coming in and doing this and even though he says it's perhaps and i don't know the fact is it was too close t they're just trying to push this through to get rashed you understand i understand having fought to get an expert on the stand because i know they're going to come interestingly well and they're going to know how to do what they're doing and i'm not putting i'm not saying that's wrong i'm saying we want to get this expert understand i think what's interesting is the frying issue of how this happened here is the defense counsel said ok if you're going to let rescue testified then i think we do need to have a fry hearing in this at the court said he's distinguishing evans i believe the gang testimony you have a problem with the quote expert testimony that was given i find laypersons with regard to the gang membership also concerns about damages testimony but wasn't this defendant charged with unlawful possession of a firearm by a gang member therefore the state was required to actually prove the elements of that offense correct  just put in one of the jailhouse snitches testifying to what the picture looked like but then we also put in a photograph of plunging gang members and showing showing the evils of gangs when it also showed sorry the state's charge that we need to put in i'm probably going to be killed for testifying against mr perez you know what happens to gang members when they testify against others they get kill and that was repeated  games do i do believe that and i think that that still shouldn't be opened up to the point where kenya says things like well younger gay members can talk to us there was threats and i'm just doing this because it's the right the neighborhoods and schools throughout our state of being terrorized plundered by street characters in the street gangs are spreading into the suburbs and rural areas that they're committing brutal crimes against persons and property they present a clear and present rivalry between street gangs is that in the paper almost daily i one hundred percent agree and that's why we have to be so cautious and i think actually your honor i think that's why this happened here i think it was somewhat when using the term correctly mi was his sister and i believe the testimony was born that was found in a bedroom of his sister but we don't have we didn't have her name necessarily there did we i don't think there was any i know these concepts i mean it took a little while i frankly have had to read it down several times to get the distinction between computer stored and computer generated but design understanding the computer storage is somebody actually has input so that argued today that these two to one motion in limine regarding washroom should be separated from kennedy's and that down kennedy didn't have the background to certainly and from his employment testified to hearsay from people from sprint but kennedy was not allowed to testify to to to his opinion that this information is simply not reliable but why was why wasn't he qualified to we say that deep it was unclear exactly how far brash he would go the court me comments such as well yeah i don't see any problem with that but what happened then a trial is actually  after the qualifications and rest he gave his very impressive qualifications basically this is what i do all over the country it's all i do and i do it all the time the defense asked for a sidebar and said ok just so we're clear i also said he could talk about how cell towers work and things like that and that's about what we got it open up a little bit at trial and then he just went off putting it very specifically not only many referencing the ridgeway location putting in so i don't know if they reduced it to writing but i think it was clear especially based on the prosecutor's reputation representation of what was going to be allowed here the court again not casting aspersions but was a little bit wishy washy on exactly what we're going to be able to do in the defen time i mean it was reversed larry because raspy did something the science wouldn't allow him to do i think the court was persuaded as i may have been about as a judge that recipes all over these cases you punch in ranchi you're going to see the state of the art and what's happening in these cases but it was just too much the science doesn't allow that type of precision and that's what hill said said be careful here because you're not over persuade the jury they don't hear limitations and they heard nothing about whether to ponder feet except rather or even where the defendant may have been and that night not to mention something that hasn't come out to our own really to believe the defendant in this car chase if he was in that cars to be sitting there making phone calls while the police are fighting or are chasing him down that was another here on the internet search we had a phone i'm one of these mystery phones that had an internet search that mr perez didn't conduct that made no sense but still it was this way to try to i