on that would be your honor that's his testimony contradicted and testimony by itself can be sufficient for you to establish eligibility for asylum if you contradiction or without contrary evidence that he happened to drive a van while he was helping his father some years previous to farming on his own and that it was a side job of farming month period or six months a year the record is not clear on that your honor the need to testify though that he never had any other job but farming yes he did so that contradicts that statement well we believe we believe that it's not necessary contradiction determination how can we do that with the record we have before us where there are inconsistency use upon which the hygene relied to make her determination on credibility when your honor like me to comment in that reasons why she did not believe your client if any one of those three will hold up then we have to find in favor of the i chase credibility determination under our case along with the consideration that if the inconsistency if there is establishing consistency or contradictory testimony if it does not go to the heart of the solemn claim that my understanding of president and the circuit is that it can be help his father when he was a seen as father in a farming and diver family farm and this happened i believe fifteen years prior to the events in question the events in question surround his own ownership of land as a farmer rather than assisting his father in and helping to drive the family van some fifteen years previous to that in that sense we feel that that in that sense we feel that it doesn't go to the heart of the claim for the heart of the claim and kicked them out correct correct and then when the immigration judge clarified it he said that he went to the police station and they buy their hand action and wouldn't let him then exactly well that's from from nothing to and during the police station making complaint getting the relief getting beaten and kicked out and so the other version you know you can't come in we're going to push you so you can't come in and when that  discrepancies go to the heart of a few cases and thus substantial evidence supports immigration judges conclusion i think there's moskowitz but the nail on the head right away when he pointed out that the inconsistency going to farming the record it's fishing or was inconsistent at first he said he was a farmer for every day of his life he never had any other job and then once the passport and marriage certificate were pointed out to him he then did a double back instead of oh yeah that's right actually did you some other job driving for six months out of the year i just forgot the question i have is some of the issues that were found to be the basis for a lack of credibility or insubstantial and others are either in commission of all or not material but you still have seven laughter some number would we need to remain and that for a finding of credibility because we don't know whether if you took out some of th wanting consistency that survives that would be sufficient to sustain the immigration judges conclusion in this case and in fact it's well more than one insistency i mean the farmington inconsistency by self sufficient but it's well more than that inconsistent in what happened when the fourth hogs arrived at his house he was also inconsistent that's what happened when he went to the police station as judge moscow's pointed out all these inconsistencies simply confirm one another and they confirmed the integrations judge's conclusion that petitioner lacks credibility and it's very important to remember that under this court's case law and under the supreme court's decision in allies to carry as it's insufficient for petitioner simply to present difficult for him but there's no it doesn't really this whole circumstances summarized in a level of discrimination that's right your honor even if you were to find petitioner credible and i don't think you can especially in light of the standard view but even if you did there's an credibility i assume that you would have to find some way that what he said credible was not sufficient how would you do that he has some pretty strong assertion of things that have happened with be far enough does it strike you far enough to govern this case if you assume the credibility determination is to be reversed yes your honor i'm glad you pointed out the shot case because i think that's the one that's most clearly on point  a reasonable fact finder would be compelled to conclude that the immigration judge eric i don't think that's the case so i come out in a totally different angle so for the moment that we believe that the immigration judge was correct in the we don't think he's credible because the mere fact that some people in a country have been persecuted does not mean that every one of that race or nationality or religion has been persecuted extension or has made a pattern in practice claim in the eleventh hour and a motion to reopen he didn't make that claim to the immigration judge and a pattern practice claim is something which exceeds only an extremely extremely rare short stances in a coach has case this court pointed out that you have to show systematic persecution and the example they ga was the holocaust in nazi germany by contrast the court pointed out that widespread political violence of the sort you had in el salvador with insufficient to constitute systematic persecution rising to the level of pattern practice claim no evidence of any harassment exactly in confirming that his sisters and his brother in this gun laws have lived in fiji and there's no evidence that any of them has suffered any problems that just reinforces the position you're taking  credibility finding if there are no further questions your honor i'd be happy to sit down thank you thank you can have a minute for me but all what about the fact that he lost if it's true he lost his farm he's not living there anymore and where he was living he was writing letters and he wasn't persecuted for the evidence that was persecuted for the last eleven months i believe that there's