loaded no i beg to differ it's neither it's it's the formal document of what happened in these meetings to enter into the record and like in the same way that we reviewed the warrants we don't necessarily all reveal which of the war have confidence as a group that it's a good enough representation actually read them i've read them it's up to you whether you feel confident enough to have a setting read them to sign off i don't know their names or even did you read the minutes  and there was only one that under twelve sixteen one did you see anything subst i think they come in robo calls where they get phone number and they do an automated phone call they do it on the website they can do several different things change the answering machines when you call you get a message that tells you what's going on there are several ways but we don't  need to get into it today so just the website or priest is not a solution for one hundred percent but even if they have an outbreak like i didn't know we had a break till yesterday and then it's good started all right so the big issue is the water storage tank and the size and costs which are directly related know there's been a lot of discussion about how we develop the engineering reports that green mountain areas done using i s o flows in the minimum size required for that and we've also had some recent information come to his on the relevance of via so and state regulations and others to interact and we've got some choices to make as a system whether we want to follow the i s o recommendations  follow the statement or recommendations which subs somewhat smaller than mine so recommendations go to just the bare minimum that we need to support our current consumption the committee commission water commission are going to have their ideas some people from the public might have their ideas but people have jobs presented some options here which are going to require some explanation and i'll just briefly hit that really quick so right now current consumption with the fifty year bill down now is this is one hundred thirty thousand gallons per day for for a tank yeah so our current storage capacity with both tanks for the old concrete fifty thousand gallon tank in the steel tank everybody sees it's two hundred fifty thousand so right now we have almost twice the bare minimum support consumption possible which was appropriate when there was not very well right now we're doing ninety thousand gallons a day approximately people jobs fifty year buil bare minimum again would be under thirty thousand gallon tank a two hundred fifty thousand dollars that two hundred fifty thousand gallon tank would replace the storage capacity that we have now which again has its merits and it seems to be more that water daily consumption is fair doesn't provide a lot for fire flow and it also doesn't accommodate very much for a potential large user in the future so there could be the potential for the town they have to turn down a major water use one of the capacity to serve them even with a two hundred fifty thousand go take the fourth option that's being presented as a five hundred fifty thousand gallon tank which takes all that into account it's twice twice as much as what we have today can relate to with much larger fire flow but it still doesn't meet higher so we also come in there's potential growth and in terms of large users that might happen sometime in the next fifty years  at five fifty came from it wasn't just sort of a meet up number it was based on an average day demand fifty years plus thirty five hundred gallons a minute for two hours instead of three while some of the next one right seven hundred sixty thousand gallon what which one was the number here is the full i s o storage capacity for fire fighting now any of these options would solve the pressure issue on the new site because we make sure that it's elevated high enough so the costs as being presented by agreement engineering is for the one hundred thirty thousand gallon tank is seven hundred thirty five thousand dollars or two hundred fifty thousand gallon tank it's eight hundred twenty five thousand dollars for the five fifty thousand gallon tank is one million dollars and for seven hundred sixty thousand gallons it's one almost one point two million dollars so there's a pretty big spread of costs very large spread in take a pass city the current bond question it's got on the ballot for town meeting would give just remind people is up to so to repeat it would cover any of these doesn't mean we'd have to use the full value of the bombing story put to rights i think that's important to know i think that everybody on the commission would agree that just because we  have one point five million doesn't mean that we would bond on necessarily to spend more money than what the project would cost so there wouldn't be ancillary projects and you know we have this money go ahead   look at the water system and take past the in three different ways this sort of residential use which is water for people living in their homes commercial industrial business which is thought of by some of the time to sort of economic that having that water system with good water and sewer affordable rates helped the economic health of the town center and the third was fire use that that's another sort and fifteen they thought ninety four thousand gallons domestic eighty three thousand gallons of commercial industrial and fire reserves of five hundred thousand gallons worth noting and i mean i think jeff you made an excellent point in your in your opening remarks that if we build if we build a tank to replace what we have today and a large user which we'd like to recruit on mars you into our community we may not be able we may have to turn them away i mean i visited a water system last week that they're like we had to turn somebody away because this is a large community that has own many storage tanks that have a lot of capacity but they have to turn them left and that's an excellent argument but i want to do with the economic side first i feel like we were sort of those are the it's just so great i think it's useful the frame and those three things those three areas if we go through each i think we've had to do from now yeah but i don't know but from an economic development perspective i think it's hard to make case for those it may be very easy to make it on fire so oh ok ok but i'm saying no economic and that's and that's what these numbers represent increase your water capacity some people in town more on their fire insurance if we essentially aren't part of the street but i guess the thing that i don't really understand is is between the larger than one hundred thirty k options whether added like moving on from the financial financial insurance benefit is is what is the what is the benefit to having adequate fire protection and i think the chief pointed out and kind of just give us a good examples of the reason why you want to have adequate flows of that so you don't have to stop in the middle of the fire break up the ice and you know but there are other community benefits  it and where to get off economic economist speak about it what's the marginal value of each of these proceeding with larger options you know i mean it seems pretty clear to me that there's a value in going from one money so it's like here's here's what i break it down to preschool so the difference between one hundred thirty thousand gallon tank and seven thirty five seven hundred thirty five thousand and a two hundred fifty thousand gallon tank is a twenty five because that's not that's a community that's not a community system ok we we are we have chosen to be the system that supports the community and disconnecting people scenario on both projects would be one point four million a thirty year loan or should say a forty year loan it's tough because there are three hundred  e right so the average impact per customer for your be seventy dollars fire for half an hour before you go dry or before me drop below what we need to provide for the mastic water the five fifty would be what we need to provide fire protection for so it's thirty four minutes two hours or three hours that's the difference you need just to put a price on it each step is worth about one hundred eighty thousand dollars an incremental cost or about twenty dollars per year per two hours fire or three hours of fire and the incremental costs again would be the difference between thirty sixty and ninety dollars a year right is that how we understand your it will be  three hours and thirty bucks here and those that are only a little for those of anybody who's interested kendall was able to find the one nine hundred sixty five documented her it is actually interesting reading to see how the trustees of the village at tried to trace where it came from and failed because when i talked to the people who were actually in charge of putting on the play they were unaware of any such need so i sent mr carbon richmond select word i was unaware that you would be meeting with representatives from housing vermont at a recent board meeting where i would have been present i was chair of the select were at the time that the town received the three hundred thousand dollars grant which was that loaned to housing i was disappointed to hear the housing and want is not feel that it can begin repayment of the limits specified me towns agreement with them and more disappointing to hear that the swicord agreed to extend the moon for another fifteen years zero interest although i would hate to see the rents for the housing for my own apartments increased so much that they become under fordable i do feel this is for foreign agent management on their part and that the township to hold them somewhat accountable will there be no payments made until christine hears from me and what is to guarantee that the money will be available at that point i would hope that the new agreement with the housing for mine has some sort of conditions which will insure repayment in fifteen years why not ask that they start saving money in escrow account for that payment do we have permission from the state to move the loan now is this merely a stalling tactic and will they be back in the future to request the loan be forgiven with renewed interest in developing the creamery property in the need for more economic development in richmond this money could have been put to good use at some point in the future even in small amounts as much as might help a small business get started please consider putting it that you would really conditions to ensure future repayment as was problem when the project was future i encourage you to understand the history of any project or reason for making quick decisions and i am sure that we are in a position now to put any can continue to seize on the decision that was made at the last meeting i do want to say that i made it clear that i would not i don't feel the financials they gave us were transparent and all enough to say that we should have extended it for fifty years but when you miss a meeting you don't have that say  whatever your views i would love to have had some input on that and i expressed to jeff my feelings on the whole thing because i felt that when we asked for financial what we were given was not transparent at all  not sure if you have that information when you are making a decision based on minutes there's not enough information for me to know what the conversation was going to get if we had we don't have your expertise so you  they were operating actually in the red could you see that on a financial thing you know you could not not how she gave us you can see that well and how are we i mean i guess the question is is that how do we know that that's not the whole picture i mean if we were to be like is this it i mean well this is the same position we room with rescue right right and that's and the fact that we took is that we needed the transparency of that we were going to keep the birth closed until has a plan for alternate use of those funds right now and and if the situation really is that we're going to cause economic crisis for families that are currently living in that facility simply so that we can recoup the funds for some unspecified future is that's a hard sell for a bit but obviously if what's happening is that it's being mismanaged to start really helping anybody in the long run that's not good either i mean we went what was in the financials it said that that's what would happen but the financials didn't say that there was no we're there they said if we change this line and we have to make this payment this is what our bottom line will be in this is how it's going to factor and that was not in the financials so  opinion it wasn't well represented that it's going to affect their rent definitely it was not that information wasn't there there was something information to that effect i'm not going to say it's the best information but they did have something in there saying that added another twenty six hundred dollars to the project's financial model which raises the sixteen apartments build more or hundred eighty dollars more but that's just simple math you write wasn't any right there wasn't any analysis of options or rewrite or overall budget or like it was just that piece and and so with you saying well if you increase that it's going to add to the brand because we're not going to do anything different on our operating we could consider some time frame because we don't have a plan right now but certainly five years is a one time fee for them like to figure out why they couldn't make the fifteen the belong in after fifteen years say yes we will extend it for fifteen years because if it doesn't it tells you just one piece of pie and then what their overall balance sheet that doesn't tell you very good use for that five years from now and i recommend that it's really transparent documentation that shows that this is how going to affect this for me it just said this is thank you thank you friend other business prepared to go through the memo for the public and select word to right now as of today there's nothing new to report regarding an eighteen t cell towers were still pending comments of section one hundred six review for the two law firm david great has responded to that report and tried to pick it apart you also respond so the hysterics report really wanted to comment on whether there was going to be any negative impact to if you share it or any kind of a scenic view that state might hold for the detail tower above john burke road and the basic conclusion of that report was that it felt there were claims being made in the application the work substantiated by the fact so it didn't really create any serious damage to the application in my opinion it really just trying to say  doesn't take into account certain legal precedents you know most notably called the j m golf precedent which goes through these sorts of things and tries to be your standard for  substantial some sort of substantial issue with the sticks so that's really going nowhere we were sort of relying on the state to to really build a strong case for this and i don't think that they have  here was hired by the public service to so right now as it stands there's still a significant other side question which is is the application complete and has one hundred eighty days has started you know past the time frame for comments of mission we've i've talked to jerry terry our attorney and said go ahead and respond say that we don't agree with that we we believe the is an open question so the peer hearing officer for the public service for it would have to rule on these issues as the application complete what's the timeframe is there a significant issue as has been raised by either a do have some concerns and i think it bears repeating from my memo that are resorting to matters very little if at all in the approval process and ignoring our story doesn't appear to be a significant issue or by our attorney back in december probably don't rise to the level of a significant issue although they continue to maintain as valid concerns the appearance of the tower has a negative effect according to the department of public service somebody who is regulating this to do that that's true and in the application they have the road map where they say this is the coverage that you have now and this is the coverage you really have this town what we don't because the losses they have to consider each application on they can't if they have five applications from richmond in front of them they can't they don't have the legal ability to compare the but i don't think that we need to completely give up on the whole thing either so so as we discussed the executive session we're going to continue to maintain our presence in this matter and as situations weigh in on that and develop something the planning commission that and decided that they would recommend to the slug board that an ad hoc committee be formed to develop the proposal so i think if the select board wants to you have to appoint this ad hoc committee and get the ball rolling i also attach heinsberg to model for you to take a look at it's not a terribly complicated document called though that there are some things that require consideration especially for the uniqueness of the richmond project a number of people of expressed some interest in serving on the at our committee not all of them are here and i don't really know of or maybe there's a couple i really don't who was here here  interested in that but for the governance committee that took a look at the town manager question the select board was willing to appoint somebody as chair and tell that person to go out and recruit a committee that may be fairly expedient way to  get started rather than advertising for two weeks and trying to interview that sort of thing so that's my recommendation is that we find a few released a few interested people tell them bring people involved but they haven't told me that they want to serve on and heart committee hasn't been appointed so i think it would be good to ask if anybody here this evening is interested on the committee and try to get started actually before responsibility on ourselves while on those of us who will be here and and that should not be done lightly and i specifically say that kerry's statement several months from the last meeting about the emergency situation that there needs to be an emergency situation and so what is that right i think that the ad hoc committee should develop that further but i think just the fact that the water systems infrastructure you know what works for the town i think and i think from seeing the results of the survey people in general yeah i want something that's that's good for the town in the future and people need to find that i think we should take that into account in that otherwise though that at heart it's got all that at heart you want to see if you want to choose members from existing committees because part of the reason that you have this is to cut out the oh yeah  can it can be yes i know i would like to get moving on even if it's just appointing sort of a chair or a point person to then for the cats well i wouldn't person who's been appointed chair there is representation planning commission and from zoning regulations for use in the creamery parcel to be to consist of five regular and and perhaps some other member not other number but i'm voting members of the membership would be primarily taken from standing town committees with the exception of survey i think that and everybody navy except that i would not be for having no on voting members i think in here if they're willing to serve with the exceptions left for that they should have a  so i provided the outline for your website development and we're planning on going live for the week of march twentieth it's about a month from now so most of it's already done we need to get up set up the hosting to do the development speak perceive sky and i also provided a recommendation from the snelling center for government  a driveway parking area cock a road that's going to be servicing the walk across the street the dimensions meet our specifications  but the length of it is twenty feet off the side of the road and i'm wondering if that's going to be enough room to provide parking in the point of winter brutally two or somebody has  so because we did not recommend approve this i think it could be approved but i'm not sure that the the owner has agreed to  with requirements and there are trees on either side of it but i think the owner could remove the trees if they wanted to but they really have agreed to do that right i'm not sure i guess we should just go right so it's not a tally of ongoing tally of what we're working on obviously i see that they're grouped under headings but it would be nice if they could then be kind of prioritize maybe under things how much effort that's going to take but it would be nice to know this is the top of our priority last minute maybe maybe you impose the primary first and then we discuss it but  it would just make it for just because we have a lot of he's really here to just help us figure out which which is most important i think that's hard to prioritize and yeah it is a fact  finally last week received the letter a final determination which says that the new digital maps are going to go into effect on august fourth we are going to send a notification up to buddy in the floodplain that  i do i do have one other report just an update on the bio one we talked about this in executive session i just want to update that we do have the voluntary transaction agreements more experience reviewing think it would be nice for people who don't ever come in this building have a sense of oh  said there are some people who won't read it and so this is this is a great way for the cream and it's available for you to read on your computer and you can even bring here i tell you laptop for the meeting and look at it on that as opposed to anything further