kaufman we will be ready term over is so broad as to be reasonable in the context of that specification which we submit that it is and the second is even under the board's construction there's no substantial evidence to support its conclu lebanon army oxide i'm talking about the first point i understand that you say that it doesn't matter whether it's a point of novelty in the patent or not but i have a question about what exactly is the purpose of forming the oxide layer because you're eventually going to remove it or at least remove a substantial portion of it but these layers get formed the removed during various process steps to protect the diffusion area from things that are going on else during the process so these are multi step process is and i enjoy being implanted in layers of being formed and removed and sometimes you just need a layer put where the boards claimed instruction i think goes wrong and becomes excessively broad and that it touched a place not only that the notion of something that is covering is located on top of whatever you know we're dancing around a relatively oxide that fairly covers the edge of the fusion region and that's not what the pads about that's not what the oxide layer is about but they're saying because it covers this tiny sliver it is over the the fusion region is remote and so if you look at the price figure there is a good there is coverage of the fusion region and this then shows what happens when the portion over is removed virtually all of the layer is done cover indicate substantially all if i my son matthew is laying on the couch and i cover him with a blanket i'm not putting his head under the blanket i'm covering the majority of his body and that's my common understanding of the term that's what i think it means i wouldn't just be if i only put it on his foot i would not say the blanket is covering matthew and you know what you have here you have doshi only putting it under the foot under the sidewalk that's the only place where you still dispute that the playing of the word over could be ether or cover right that's correct everyone agrees with that and that's very common we have lots of claim construction cases where the plain meaning in the abstract and i  think i don't find a very complicated but it is kind of complicated the word above my plane flies over the land clearly you mean above you don't mean a plane is covering a land that would make no sense you know  meant to apply in some cases it's clearly want like the plane example like that covering the earth it's a puppy or when you say over you know there's that says with matthew the blank it's not above matthew it's covering matthew if you say the blankets over matthew so which one of covering a portion of the diffusion layer now they might not be covering the whole thing but they're clearly covering a portion which is why he felt it was important to this youth the board's finding with respect to whether or not ok so the oxide on the side walls of the gate is expressly covered by the second portion of that claim limitation read under your construction if that were all that was necessary to be over the diffusion region the first portion of that claim would be entirely superfluous because this claim requires two things forming an oxe that oxide layer over the diffusion region and on the side walls of the gate and you're saying patent if you look at the patent you can see the oxidation on the sidewalls extends over the diffusion region on your logic so if it clearly in every embody meant the oxidation on the sidewal extends over the diffusion region in these embodiments if that's what the patentee meant when he said forming an oxide layer of the fusion region he wouldn't then need the second half of that claim element and on the sidewalks of the gate a look for a electrode by thermal oxidation it would be rendered redundant because in this patent when these terms are used he felt it was necessary to explain that two things have to happen you've got to have oxidation on the alternative dictionary meetings but the dictionary meanings need to be informed by what's in the specification and if you look at page eighteen of our brief we have numerous citations all of which refer to  the structures and descriptions and use of the term overheard as showing structures that cover a relevant region region is there not and can you point to me anywhere below or in the blueberry or in a grapefruit where you were even proposed the concept of