to instructions on exiting the building in case we have an emergency please proceed directly out this door here on the side or the other door on the front side or seat out into the parking lot where we will gather if these doors are blocked please go out through the lobby and out the main exit the building and continue on to the parking lot hubbard and i will be responsible for clearing the building so head immediately thank you so our next item is a possible executive session to discuss potential land purchases and personnel issues so i wouldn't take emotion to all right so i would like to call back to order the south bronx and city council meeting monday june eighteenth twenty eighteen and we will pursue i don't for agenda review are there any additions deletions or changes in order of the agenda items seeing none are there any comments and questions from the public not related to anything on the agenda or since i've been involved in it quite a bit i feel quite strongly about it fairly exercised about what's happened i think it best if i just read the notes that i made for myself because that'll be the comma if the head well the new city or library building was seen originally as the key structure and focal point for city center it was to be architecturally novel and eye catching not just another generic municipal building i participated in all of visioning workshops for this project and at the end of the  process we had a city hall and library design that is exactly what we were looking for a building that reflects our city's progressive values and future aspirations we have only one shot at getting this right and this is a new a unique opportunity to build something that we can all be proud of now and well into the future but not have this opportunity again to choose a design for ourselves because other buildings in the city will be there the land is owned by line developers and property owners and they will choose the designs for those buildings they just have to comply with the form based list at the end of the process option d which is not sharing their was the one selected by the majority of participants and was a hybrid of g is a compromise and lacks the well thought out interior flow and a visual impact of the design chosen at the visioning centers option g design is just another shop front lot line building nothing special it doesn't have the interesting street side visual impact of option d which is what we chose and it was developed with and we sometimes wonder why there's not more civic engagement and stuff billington that's why people spend a lot of time william projects they complete the project as required and their work is casually and failing that for myself i don't have difficulty voting for that bond and i think the council should be concerned that there are many people who are hundreds in these visioning centers who may feel the same as i do current say for sure they will be other opportunities to build the senior center and recreation center combination of believe is what we really really looking for but the library isn't that place questions i just want to let you know that next monday night we will be having could be an hour and a half two hour meeting to discuss this and further and that will be the only item on the agenda so i just want you to know we will be discussing those things thank you wednesday five to seven so i'll be there at the echo i don't know if all and more of you are going to attend a night to wind up warning or what not but and i also want to say this thursday is a dump the pump everybody gets right free and g m t and i just remind people that the average household of two people can save ten thousand one hundred thirty four dollars by going down to a single vehicle so this thursday is a bunch of promotional i don't and there's also activities giveaways and the other fun things talked to a lot of people i do a lot of the time i've emailed a lot but just like michael i i did request this meeting for next monday and i think  there was quite a lot of emailing and i think helen for putting the meeting up on the agenda so i i share the concern that the public did not partake in that process  and so hopefully we can have you know large turnout in a week there was a large turnout in february and march so i think it's it would be it would be really a shame if we lose that that participation that led to a beautiful design really beautiful ok thank you perspective spent about an hour yesterday dodging cars underneath interstate eighty nine a dorset street painting over all of the query tagging on the sixty six or eight columns that support the bridge so if you could drive and dorset you won't see the orange spray that's all i had to report i was in d c staying next to the pentagon and had breakfast next to someone talking about the f thirty five and tesla they'll be unmanned soon they're thirty five i just wanted to say that the nuclear heads are without i didn't get into that i'm sure that was classified but it will be unmanned they probably should have saved that for an executive session instead of sitting there for you at breakfast and daughter they don't know who they are s next to i guess i'm reading two men talking back and forth about the future so i just i thought that was a little important piece of information i wanted to bring back thank you  staffed and all the people who needed to be present for a full conversation could rather than trying to do it tonight so i spent a lot of time on that and then i they were to really like fifteen minute airport commission meetings one was it wasn't in fifteen minutes had to go in and sign something to sort of weird because the commission has no power but we have to sign all these documents in one go to the finance committee and the city of south burlington one of which was to continue  the airport director's employment and and i had never owed and i did i participated with him we interviewed a number of people for the evaluation for city manager so it struck me that i had no idea how they evaluate the director of the airport and and i asked the commission and  learned that there are some goals set up when i was asked to sign this thing and i had no idea when i signed it but i did make the inquiry inquiry that i thought that the commission should have at least some information or report back about these of the goals for this past year this is what we're cheve those kinds of value to of oversight i guess so  no one has ever asked for that before but they will include that that they used to have well i was told yeah the count of the commission gets all the goals and but i've never seen them on a piece of paper and and they're and they're developed by the mayor so it's an odd position to have to sign something it says you're recommending or you're putting your name on something to continue the employment of a person that you've never reality is we don't hire and fire so it's really would be kind of a courtesy to share that with the commission and i think going forward it will be  but that's the irony of this commission that we and maybe it's an f a a rule i don't know but we just signed these things to send off to burlington ability to kind of analyze a review it or even make a recommendation like yes so why bother yet kind of but also just reframe a question if you went back but this is this is just odd to me kind of specially you know in so close to efforts that we're making to now you wait kevin because i think that's the responsibility of the coun you need to do those things but anyway so that and then we had to sign a lease again we said we say ok on a lease that then goes to the finance committee to really get the ok and then to the city council of burlington so it's just sort of an observation that it really is a lot of i don't know what it is it's not really oversight  that is what i you know what state lease wanted to know if there was any evaluation and could i see it anyway so i think that's about all i did city manager part thanks on a lot of scheduling things first so one night out next thursday the twenty eighth hope everybody can make it up to veterans park josh panda is the artist  also that day eleven is the market street groundbreaking so the community has waited for decades to build it's down town main street starts next thursday over at right next to the central school driveway going into a parking lot off market street there was a bill signing event scheduled for tomorrow here out in the lobby the governor was going to sign the block chain bill i don't have remember the bill number but that had to be postponed so it will not occur tomorrow a lot and i are briefing the s t p a board tomor morning at eight o'clock here in city hall on just kind of a primer on tiff districts and there were at your meeting with as b b a folks two months ago i was a saying they would like to learn more about the tiff district how it works how that just works so we're doing that tomorrow morning at eight am tom and i are right in the middle of our senior managers and you'll reviews in the work with snyder braverman it went very well they had actually very few questions but they did say they were very impressed with how dedicated this community is in terms of affordable housing having both a standing committee as well as a fund and they said that that's kind of unusual but the project really hith addressed all of the issues that they are interested in in incredible form i mean one of the takeaways that i thought was pretty interesting is there are eleven u in this one project which go to the new one the new one oh yeah and garden market garden and market you know so they so i mean so we're held in high esteem i think so that was nice i'm pretty certain to get the talk to have a conversation with a task force committee with the s s t a to address the concerns raised by this body multiple times of how we can more efficiently provide those in the medicare services so that's an exciting thing that we're looking at we're also just engaging in contract negotiations with agenda or may financials mind you the consent to gender your item sixteen is everyone ok so we have scientists first mintz an award of the dorset street east water tank isolation valves contract number one project and that proves to be middle of a grant application for the cider mill segment of the dorset street recreation pa so we're eleven out of twelve months down here ninety two percent on a straight line and counting through our budget year general fund right now just under eighty four percent in the expense and just over  eighty percent on the revenue side we're going to finish the year on with health insurance about five percent hold or that's a projection that we need to make health insurance is as you probably recall is based on  year so we start on july wine and then we change rates and we had kind of built in about an eight to ten percent increase and we got to twelve as you know so that that's part of it and then a few families expanded and had a little bit more to the insurance as we switch from a two person to family plan so those were the the reasons for that coverage but five percent i think that's made except with the pension loan which will show up in the june financials the pension payment got made this is the eight million dollars loan that will come out come out of the june financials the p v computerize ation fund is about thirteen thousand dollars for budget trevor is awaiting a grant i will ward of at least ten thousand and we're just waiting for that to get signed and credit that back to the account i don't think it will be more than fifteen but it will be at least and let's see on the expense side we still have a little bit of percentage on the local options tax that will be coming in the period of time between may tenth and the end to be treated to the current fiscal year and then july and august when we get that will be credit point nine hundred we need about five hundred seven thousand to hit our mark and we've been just about that the last couple years for this last payment so we're we're thinking we're going to commit oh ok they're planning zoning fees and permits still remain strong it's kind of carrying us along with the fire inspection which is currently eighty six percent which is really good compared to where we were last year i know that terry still has some other projects that he's going to be additional money into june for so i think we're going to finish up pretty good there ambulance billing as well should be pretty much on on the mark with what we've pretty projected and highway revenue is is up more than we expected so that helps us on the on the revenue side but essentially we're still in good shape i expect we'll have a surplus but at the end of the year and i think will probably by mid july into july we'll have a good sense and in terms of at least a ballpark as to how much that might be and we have our auditors with us now doing tree out of work and they'll be here for the week and then back towards the end of august early september to do more substantial work on the enterprise fund sure just over ninety three percent on expenses eighty six percent of revenue and a stormwater expenses are one hundred twenty nine percent again this is based on projects that carried over into f y eighteen and the revenues about ninety one percent on the stormwater fund all in all in good shape i feel pretty comfortable where and a large amount of revenue that we carried from last year into that fund is not there yet and the way that works is that we would spend the money in the state would reimburse us for it and this is left over money from the route to widening project and just is continuing to work with the state and when that money's going to be please so we do expect to be able to do the project we just haven't been able to initiate this quickly  we don't want to lean michigan needed until we have the or certainly have the funds we have the funds it's the state allowing us to utilize their money for and projects been approved again they're waiting for their final one line that says that you know if you purchase things and didn't pay sales tax you know total up what it is that you bought and put it here do we get any of that money back or is it a six percent is that we should be getting it and we feel we are getting it but to this day as kevin can attest to andrew is trying to get detail there's just a point here department and i think we're going to have to make a road trip  there's there's so there's money that's remitted to the state by amazon the bitterness right but there's also money remitted to the state through income taxes you know through the forms where they claim where they say i didn't pay taxes on this and here's that  money so do they to you know we're supposed to get some from the amazon part right yes the question is do we get any from the income tax part and so was deliberate drug use or roads in the line or city services question i mean because i think it's a six percent tax for us for the eighty thousand dollars i think it is that we pay them in addition to the thirty percent that they get then they charge a fee to collect the tax forms burlington collects of all themselves well you know again you've lost me there so we have  say like shirton burlington used to be or the doubletree burlington just took off in a cape that those are actually south burlington business but is it too late for us to go back and ask for the authority to collect that money ourselves like combined that position that we would need for that along with collecting our all and billing to our own billing c w t between them pay them to do that or so i think if we brought a couple of those different services in here in between bayani him to get our legislators to decide what we want for a charter change and get other just leaders to draft that and introduce it at the very beginning of the session is legislation and trying to push it through right that would in prepare at the beginning of the session and are polite one persistent and aggressive about it and depending what the makeup of the committee is it's something that we possibly could make happen fairly we should be able to apply enough pressure to get information about who what business is in this who are going to be paid into that send a check to the state that includes a one percent the senate he was overtime was mandatory fill in that we had to pay which is going to cost us more than regularly filling those ships with the new people that we have so when i looked at the fire today all combined all their  salary accounts together at best they're going to come in about budget and probably at worst maybe about forty thousand dollars over in their total salary lines all of salary alone there's probably eight or nine of them put together so you're saying the salary lines were not going to expend money on are going to cover this overtime correct at best case scenarios come in about even ok worst case scenario we might be around forty it's hard to say when june is going to going to bring us here in terms of those other salary lines so we can't predict but we know what the regular ones are ok met on may twenty third initially it was an open public meeting but there were no members of the public there so we moved into executive session immediately most of the discussion centered on the prime egg mitigation areas which had come as a sort of after afterthought but is a bit of a surprised look for the allowed very much the uses which we have described in the report for the natural area so i don't think it will be a great leap to expect that a conservation partner will be able to live with  whatever it takes to dovetail or you know combine so that you don't risk any you know challenge to the active fifty i'm just i'm not a lawyer right but you've this easement that's on a block of land and you want to put it he's been on the bigger block of land the question is how do you construct that easement so the two don't you know conflict with each other even if they don't really conflict with each other because you're doing about the same thing would that also preclude then that easement would preclude the possibility of expanding or taking any other areas for equitation right yes ok that's well that's our resolution ok we wouldn't like to do is to have the lawyers get out there's a lot to do i think in writing up the legal documents there needs to be a decision made by this council as to whether or not to accept the report of the committee in the fall off the report tonight you need to let the lawyers know if there's anything that you differ with the committee in their report how things how you would like to have things handled differently if you do and then we would probably have outside counsel working on actual legal documents somebody who's done these before and there are plenty of people around i think who have done them and begin negotiations with with a receiver of these men and i make a suggestion that before you spend money on legal counsel you identify the partner that you'd like to work with and discuss these issues with them to find out before you start drafting legal documents whether they have any problems with it or suggestions i think that would be a we're going to work we will want to have out an attorney take up quick look at what the com recommend recommended and just understand that and and there may be some things in there that they have dealt with before that might make it easier or harder to to work on them with the partner but either way fully supportive of this community voted on it my question to kevin and tom you deserve a budget for this i gather is this a large price tag figure the legal fees that we need to plan for war is this just part of what we regularly do with hiring outside acquisition it's part of the legal we budget for comics year and it happens over that timeframe yeah either way it would come out of the outside counseling fees that we procure not concerned that this is going to cost more than other engagements with outside counsel hard hard to say tom i will put it it's let's put it this way it's nothing that we anticipated spending money on but there could be something that we did into space that it's not going to materialize it's  quickly much in the consensus that there are there are going to be multiple steps here will be coming back to you with with updates on what we're learning in the process we haven't done this before but as michael said of the there are organizations in the state that have done this a lot all right enough thank you thank you for coming thanks for coming in hang very ok item number nine update on the installation of new water meters and the possibility of almost by definition anyway no grant cycles probably not going to line up with the city's budget calendar after the budget was approved we subsequently applied and received a grant to help us to offset some of the paving costs of our own road which is back in november ran a lot of stuff over over the last six months and so there's a lot of insurance reimbursement for us to put back up streetlights and traffic in this and that and we also sold off a couple of lower a while at upgrading the city's water meters to kind of modern technology for a couple reasons one we used to experience in the mid teens percentage wise water loss nor do we know how much water is coming into our system and we knew what we were billing fifteen percent was unaccounted for generally kind of under ten is considered acceptable we're down at about seven or eight now we anticipate because we know how much we've taken the system in the past five dissipate once we complete this will by be in about two or three percent of system was so it's very important because it's just revenue that we can't make up for also secondly when it comes to reading a water meter now the new technology does not require the employee to actually physically access the meter with whatever whether it was a pen in a paper or some of the the electronic readers we now can simply drive by your property and download that so it's kind of a two two prong program sense two thousand and thirteen we have sixty roughly sixty one hundred total accounts in meters in the system sense two thousand and thirteen we have installed about thirty two hundred and we anticipate over including this year of this and then the following three years to install the remainder of the twenty nine hundred or so that are left of the older models all of that has sense this project started we have been allocating roughly two hundred thousand dollars a year for the purchase so we purchase the meters and obviously pay that bill but we have been installing them with the our water water division staff so we're doing the installs at no additional cost so there's some every on one year we install thirteen hundred the questions on that before we talk about the water and yes so when you install the new water meters did you do any comparison on the the average monthly charges versus the old water meters and you find the significant deltas now i mean with sixty three hundred customers question when we expect our billings to go up if we're now capturing all the water going through yes but i can't tell you specifically without doing a lot of kind of a more forensic analysis of hate hand picking i don't know maybe three or four hundred accounts comparing to before an use what really is the real you and you know no system ever and we don't we're not going to pretend to no system ever is going to get one hundred percent it's a very active very least there's a high you know there's fire you know we don't put a meter on the hydromorphone you know so there's always some ago you didn't think we could really think about a little use status charge until the meters were installed am i making that up or  of billing they belly very small three hundred account system colchester worm their one month away from going live with a new version of software and working out all the bugs on a three hundred customer i don't think it's appropriate to expect us to kind of wait until because we were hoping with that with new software a lot of bells and whistles and we could do a lot of what if scenarios but we didn't do all that and at that time we were hopeful based on statements made by our vendor that we would be wrapping things up shortly but they've taken a while on a much smaller much more simple system so i can give you a little just a little bit of data on kind of low water usage  again we have roughly sixty three hundred accounts and over that in the past year approximately thirty seven percent of our accounts have been billed at at least one time for low usage they've been build a minimum months rough roughly the way our low our minimum usage applies is if you use basically more than eighty to doubt eighty two gallons a day if you do the math backwards if you use  finding is people more people more conscious about the water they use their separate meter for irrigation as well as the notion of a low flow fiction doesn't really exist anymore because all of the toilets now are kind of well you know they're going to gallon thing is a gallon flush o minutes about is to decrease the next time they update their water and wastewater supply rules it's not it's not going to change but we were getting more and more data that people are using for whatever reason people are using less water so thirty seven percent of our accounts are at the minimum and i guess my my feedback to the council is if you want to instruct staff to achieve a certain percentage of our of your accounts or because represents eighty five percent of our water revenues i think it's i think the total system is like two point seven it's a two point seven million dollar fund customer sales are two point three million dollars give or take so to eighty five percent of our revenue is obviously that need to be the same number at the end of any rate revision so if you want to instruct us perhaps it would be appropriate for an upcoming budget cycle because depending on how involved this is could cost some money to look at whatever scenario it is i want and still we have a ten tiered water system it's kind of exhaustive but they had ten tiers of water users so this can be as precise as you choose you can set parameters it's really hard to break out like what are the what are the kind of bare bones costs of running a system certainly we have our budget on the expense side but you know outside of things like capital which you could probably even argue are an expense of the ongoing system you kind of everything on the expense side accounts for when you turn your fossil on in addition to you know if you're not in town you know  fire protection so how are the council chooses and i would suggest it would be a good discussion maybe in august september as you start priming your utility budgets to give staff direction on what type of outcomes what you what you would want to of community now i just want to say two things so what i'm really hearing from you is thirty seven percent almost half of our users are not rewarded for water efficiency improvements that they put into their homes so they're using under the one thousand magicks and the other thing i recall this is an a three and a half year conversations come up multiple times is that we haven't adjusted or looked at our rate in some time so it's all it's do up to some extent are saying no this isn't a rate structure it's back to the ninety's and it's healthy to look at rate structures and to dive into it and i think those councils express that support in previous years so i fully support us looking at a way to incentive financially through a more fair rate structure water efficiencies in our homes  n p and vermont gas and have already got this select up right what they do is they break apart the transmission charge the daily access charge and one of those is tied your usage then you have your raw usage charge and you have to have your stormwater charge on top of that right so so in order to get to guarantee a base amount of money and i don't in the end i'm just talking to top my head here right you have like you know a transmission charge which says that maybe you're not home for six months out of the year but if something happened right you have this connection the water in the water pressure is there it's ready to go right then you have your daily access charging which is tighter usage would be lower if you didn't use much and then you would have your actual raw water usage right i'm not saying that we should do right is one that it is so some you disability charge a lot of money for water more than we do and you can see that right down towards the lake right and it's pretty expensive i i r our water how do you you know motivate people i mean i think it sounds like people are pretty well motivated to not use as much water as they have been by virtue of just fixtures alone right that that's the point so i agree with everything you just said but my understanding of the current model thirty seven percent of our hot tub regularly because i can just use my whatever it is per cubic foot so if you adjust the rate structure we are incentives or rewarding behaviors that maybe treat the water and don't fill their pool as frequently or will also justify the replacement of a less efficient toilet you know that hundred eighty dollars if it's going to translate to using less water that's a lower bill than our current billing structure does not motivate more water efficient fixtures and investments i don't know if i'm saying this well enough it just makes a lot of sense to look at how we're charging to properly in st i understand vestment but the other way to look at it is that if you use the minimum or less right you're getting a pretty good deal in your water if you use more than that then you are being punished because you're paying more money for water right so it's just a matter of mindset about where where is the value in the water that you're using you know well it's not necessarily good using the minimum or less you're getting a pretty good deal because if for some reason you're not using any you're paying to not use any water at all you're paying the minimum well that which is which i mean there's so many ways you can look at this i have a plane land in another ng or in another municipality where i pay one hundred eighty eight dollars and forty cents a quarter because i just paid the bill and i have nothing on at all most of the fixtures now are being designed for a low flow so the manufacturers incentivizing lesser use i don't think there's a whole lot of incentive other than then the environmental feel good piece of it conservation i think we should i think it's well worth looking at just looking at the current rate structure and sir how it compares to other absolutely we don't want people just building out houses in their yard they're going to have a doctor have probably not allowed it's service i live in summer woods i want to thank you for getting to this point i want to thank you were here but i want to thank you for working part as for humor a tremendous help but we have patiently waited for th software and no whatever to come along as the person who raced this how many years ago tom sort of rolls his eyes every time he sees me and says we're working on it and i'm grateful to you for doing that but i am one of the people who has zero usage often but it's not so much just about me it's about the people that i've talked to in my neighborhood it's about senior citizens who are on fixed incomes for whom this is this is a large bill and they don't use all of that water and they would appreciate a little bit of help with that so i think it is there is a larger group then just incentivizing i believe in the environmental issue myself and this all started with a conversation about the energy price and one of the things that we dealt with that but i think that there are some some other folks out there who would greatly appreciate the council taking a look at this and so i just want to say thank you for getting to the point where we can finally do it ok this sparks a much greater conversation about mr ave understands how the whole system works right so there's water extracted from the lake it's purified it sent t homes it comes back to our sewers and goes for a sewage treatment plant right so there's probably an optimum operating condition you know that involves the lake and the sewage treatment plants and the water purifying system man the transmission you know all that has to work together so the question is how much money is it take to run it you know how much income do you have back from the users of that and then build them fairly and and then keep the whole you explain that to us as an engineer at least i didn't understand it from the news reports breweries right now the reason why when you do that will i think if you were to prioritize the issues they  recently they have a large portion of their sanitary sewage sewer collection system is a combined system meaning there storm water rainwater shares a pipe with this with the sewage pipe there's only one pipe in a lot of road that all goes to the main wastewater plant down the waterfront for treatment that's great you know ninety nine out of a hundred days however when you have heavy rain capacity of stuff bubbling i were there for ten years oh really you also have a plant that is rated at a hydraulic capacity of six point something million gallons a day however during heavy storm flows the meter treatment so you can you can you do the best you can with whatever the situation is at that point in time based on when the storm hit and when all off to the right that to me is that's their issue of the timing of industrial discharges was probably just coincidental and unfortunate in that it a brewery was making a big batch at the same time there was a rainstorm well you know if your system is if your system has vulnerability is i don't think it's the brewery's fault any more to this than the single family home and i'm sure you know it's just that's just bad luck and then they had another situation where one of their contractors caused one of their mantles again you know so there's the human error side of it and i and their chief operator had made a statement about because of some of the high streets of waste they were receiving the biology and chemistry of the plant was upset and it takes a while for that back if you will to make its way through the plant and while that entire batch is in the wrong chemical or biological state there's not a whole lot you can do to reset it and so that has to kind of go through so it's all it's a lot of things  but first and first and foremost despite they had to multi ten million dollar separation projects in the eighty's and then again the ninety's where they took a lot of the old north and where they had these combine pipes and they've created a sewer pipe in a storm  that's ignoring the other ninety nine point nine percent of the time when all of their storm when the storm water from that entire same subsection is actually getting treated to all the same level that sewage does prior to discharge you know so that's the reason why people initially did the combining of your systems because you could treat this is before storm water was even really affected you could treat your storm water and create a really clean affluent as opposed to back in the seventy's the old it was plopped the pipe down of the lake you know so there's there's pluses and minuses of the system i don't think the pluses ever get talked about at all where the vast majority the time they're actually achieving a higher level of treatment for their stormwater and they  they have a built environment that it doesn't have a lot of available land for traditional storm or treatment practices they can't just go start digging big ponds are you aware because we'll take a look at the map on green space so it's going to be kind bubbling because the water came going fast enough rain water but none of that makes its way into a sewer pipe ok so our strong water and sewer are separate are entirely separate and we're not susceptible to the same type of situation ok but all that work that the utilities the story too has been doing to create all these new park right collection points is dealing with that thank you notice when we have these big federally declared disaster in the last nine years they've been here very rarely was having downtime sharee to the mainland so we're now removing seventy thousand gallons a day doing of way second possibly contribute to this factor but i just find it remarkable that you then can turn around and build fourteen stories live in a state that has rain events that cause the overruns i mean i'm sure the new construction has two pipes but they still go into the same plant or plants that take care of all of the city and it just sort of boggles my mind that we can continue to build and pollute but anyway well the directors but this very high level of destruction on at the very least it should kind of quality of life and peace and quiet has been accepted by the folks of certainly been access issues of people been very tall patient w we are out ahead of ourselves with flyers and we leaflet the impact of the streets or properties on you know the friday before we're doing things so generally our activity shouldn't come as a surprise to folks where some of them are really well we're going to you will be working all the way through lots of calls i only had one e mail and i just kept plugging away that this is a very positive thing and using humor and i think the person was sort of like well and i think there certainly have been things on front porch form but it wasn't anger it was board parks and rec holly holly i've asked holly to present kind of the her ideas about the the programming in this space and  county perhaps with the phase implementation so build some successes early and bring on supporters after the fact so just like i mean whether we're buying gravel or a bike share program there was a solicitation process five vendors green with green ride was eventually the selected vendor by a group that involved the again the two universities the r p c as well as local motion  the important things was no one including by including green wide want to compete with kind of the existing recreational rental bike market that you see down on the waterfront and some of the the other bike stores this is really meant to be a transportation alternative as opposed to and you can look at the design of the bike it kind of speaks to its utilitarian nature as opposed to some immunity zipping up and down a bike path on so i thought that was very admirable of green right to come up come right out front and say that they did not want to take over kind of the global market if you will so what you see here are the two bikes for their primary sponsors i'm sure you've seen them deployed around town in neighboring  operates kind of like a you know without a driver you show up and then the majority of the people are accessing it via their the app from green right and so you preload your card and we'll get into a bit kind of what the rates are however for folks that either cancer choose not to use that type of technology you can go and you can buy credits at local vendors and there's a process again the same interface allows you just to type in your number and you can use the bicycle we understand to we understand that this is going to change over time word origins destinations are going to pick some spots i don't work and some others might reveal themselves to be good locations which is also why they don't invest heavily in front and bike rack buildings shallower you know you don't there's a lot of infrastructure involved with where these are housed in their to their locations working with our business community in soliciting frankly host you know where these were these are good good place to go so it's been in operation paul for two months so far so this is really sort of the two things that are really unique about this particular program one is that as fast as alluding to is it's really sort of the next generation technology around these things and if you've been to new in the city bikes to great program but the stations themselves is where the brains are so you got to bring that there's a lot of financial investment the stations the stations here are literally just a green like and so it's all digitally mapped as to when you're at home base so i sort of think of it it's like when you when you play tag as a kid and you designate that lamppost being that's home base in a safe that's basically what they're doing in the back of this thing so they can change locations very quickly i'll talk about that in a second the other thing that's really sort of unique about this and which the green ride folks were really pretty impressed by  what's come together in this area is normally when one like this is deployed it's either one big sponsor or either a university it's two universities it's cap and there's probably twenty plus different sponsors that have come together whether it's been jerry's or seven generation healthy living the you model others to sort of make this work in a way that represents the kind of community that we have and in the early to in southfield into new areas where we didn't want to start with just two racks and we don't have you know one big sponsor who can just drop in and say talk to each community and some commercial businesses as well as eat eat employees within each community is to try to identify where these would most likely have success over on the north end of the map certainly you can see them identified in the green shaded university or college areas then south bronx and we're kind of looking at initially the airport and the dorset street corridor or so one o and the two meetings that ended on this i just want everybody to know i strongly advocated for the shelbourne road to south that part of south burlington to be next on the docket and maybe your is speak to that next for the sec so this is kind of how does this all work either you know you have these bikes and who's responsible we're not you know we our employees are running around fixing them they have a maintenance contract with old spokes bicycle shop out of burlington so they'll do things like charge batteries they will they will reallocate and locate you know homes if they notice that to unbalance also credits are given if you want to earn some bike share credits you can ride that back up the hill you know so it's a pretty innovative program and what we're doing now is again we'll get to the financial part nations really want going forward so this map you see the little little circles the green circles there those are the various different hubs and the numbers in the circles are as of about an hour and a half ago where about it in a minute about how they redeploy them so i'm going to show some usage information just a minute but they can be pretty dynamic about which ones are doing well which ones are doing poorly just briefly part of  the screen right bike share program mission some of the key elements of it which i think we felt matches pretty closely with a lot of the calls that the city itself burlington has been advancing  in terms of making our model shift creating more opportunities for whole transportation enjoyable recreation all those things so how it works briefly as justin said you can reserve them online on your phone on the bike itself basically it's just there's a little bit you walk that's attached to the the bike itself it just pops out you ride your bike and you lock it back in you can also lock it in any other place along the way if you have to be stopping for a cup of coffee it barnes and noble and you want to and you want stopping for five minutes there you can just walk up to the bike there press hold and you can do that for a few minutes to be as it doesn't have to always stop at one of the hubs you can stop  great structure here there's three ways you can pay for it you can do a quick trip to oxford thirty minutes if you're over that it starts charging a little bit of a meter beyond that so if it were forty five minutes i think it adds about two hundred something like that i can get a monthly membership which gives  sixty minutes a day and then if you choose to go longer than that in the four bring it back to a hub then then you pay that or you can get an annual membership for fifty dollars so those are the rates structures that photo is unrelated to the bike share program except that been this is as of today for the first two months so eleven hundred sixty six members just about three thousand trips six thousand miles of and travel to ready and the you can see that you know the most popular areas have been generally near the waterfront a fair amount of the v m campus and down and a little bit later usage in south burlington so far so today i was on the phone speaking with the folks at green ride and had an email exchange them that a week and a half ago about how they're going to test out some new things so it's as we're saying it's really simple to move these things around so right now it's early summer students aren't you v m we're going to be re deploying some of the bikes maybe even moving some of the stations to try out some other areas while there are students there to see where might they be catching on here in south burlington they communicated with us i don't know if you've seen the green right picture bike  city hall of the site they could just be added to it and somebody can drop off their bikes or if they're running an errand either from here they want to go get lunch or library staff wants to come over and come to a meeting or something like that and we said sure when i was going to try so they're going t different things they're thinking about redeploying a few of the bikes maybe separating out one of the stations that's in there's too right near each other what it healthy living in want you more maybe separating them see how that works so this is intended to be dynamic and evolve and they can track the data minute by minute and as long as it doesn't involve new bikes those are no cost alterations to the system so they pick up the bike racks and take it on the back of pickup truck and mov recall the evolutionists go through three phases i think ultimately to be in seven communities about three hundred bikes i think is the goal and i'm going to speak to you in a minute about an opportunity that just actually presented itself today for us to that we're looking to again back to the timing of our budget calendar with the rest of the world to work on line here so we're looking to come up with ten thousand dollars to represent kind of our year one contribution to with that came with a certain number of bikes so there's thirteen locations in burlington in frankly fourteen if you count the airport because they they so seem to want to report some instances maybe we can convince them that they want to work it out you know so if it's somewhere in the sponsorship it generates and therefore the less money ends up being requested from the host communities so some combination of revenues and or additional sponsors might help drive down anyone anyone who's communities out of pocket expenses well so who's managing it there is a local manager that is employed by crean right bikeshare right now so if they have one of their employees was response to this location they have the maintenance contract with old folks and a staff member at the regional planning commission is kind of everyone's collective contant the everyone being all of those dots are going to collective contact with blake share  probably would not want to have all the bikes out there just for the sake of it so they will probably pull some out of inventory and then rotate those back through so the same bike isn't being exposed to the elements it's curious where they store on the or where the storage facility that respect but it doesn't have a power it's not self powered well the first ones are not but is it later this summer that all there would particularly with a change innovation in burlington there might be some power don't know the answer that question it's i know that local motion doesn't put their bikes out until sometime in may so it's possible that some of this data is that was a month of sometimes nice weather  but i think that that's part of it part of what's great about this detailed data is that we can see what's happening with this and what's meeting the expectations were set up upfront what's different from the aspect we can make a point to have the person solicit the vendors to rentals companies into the center don't share that information was will we can get back to you can you get demographic information like that says that of the eleven hundred sixty six six hundred twenty five were nonresidents large companies some of the biggest titans out there are doing massive deployment of this in other countries they could give a they could give a care about the bike it's the user not of their after so i'm not sure how much of that user you know we can certainly try to find out where the users are coming from yeah i think that would be i think to be really interesting because when you look at the waterfront and you look at the location to the bikes if if a lot of that is tourists home there is there is potential issue of i mean it's a pallet helping to pay for companies to compete against private entities such as the ski rack or whoever else rents bicycles to make a living and then all of a sudden a tourist can get a bike really cheap  that's why i think that that information might be important if it was almost all commuters were tried out then then the local rental agencies wouldn't care but if it's tourists that could present you know people to say that's not fair we've got to minister we've got municipalities competing with private enterprise and that can present a challenge i don't really end up as a point i would add to that that having on a separate capacity surgical locomotion board that the the the bicycle shops have been really really partners in all of the evolution saying building a community that that value is cycling and outdoor activity is good for business want to have overall and so all the different work whether it's things like the causeway which is a public project or the the efforts in south burlington is made over the years or really just to know what all that that the retailers have generally been involved in support of that takes away that concern but certainly this is the kind of day that we would love to be sharing with them and that would still be really interesting information to have and it came as soon as we get that bridge built across the interstates utilization is skyrocketing because i've got a feeling no matter what we do there's a major literally roadblock right there because you're taking your life in your hands on foot and i likes to navigate that so  the gentleman that deals in snowplows backhoes heavy machinery and big stuff that use a lot of gasoline be pretty much in favor of this that's it is l a great program really is excellent so this is defined ten thousand dollars in our budget not to find that for this fiscal year starting in july of in terms of dollars for that as well saying it's time five thousand per node you said was the general expectation so more notes come in that might be a expectation of five thousand dollars per no that's not going to be linked at  anticipate a lot of kind of wear and tear additionally usage is good probably going to be more positive for revenue than it will be detrimental on own end of the bicycles i think if additional funding requests could come if we think mean we don't know quite where we're going in the future with this yet but if we don't give it a try you know but i was serious when i say we've got we've got that major hub right out here if you're a student in the university of vermont campus and you want to go commute or this case which is it would be just the mile commute but i think given everything that's gone into it i think we have we have kind of a commitment an obligation to give it a try and see where we go nothing ventured nothing gained so here we go sou that's silly let's go ok any further discussion all right on favor signify by saying hi hi we want to give you a part two of this came to our attention fair amount of review and where we are in the cycle the city had not gone for not proposed a small project but we were approached today about the possibility of being the sponsor for  a element of phase two of the bike share program so the regional planning commission contacted us and said that they've been working with several entities other business policies to get letters of support to submit a grant for forty eight thousand dollars to if that if everyone's happy with that yeah i thought i read that as more for action are you going to suggest another route where we approve this in a time delay or something no i think if you read the warning that way  this just came out today so i can't say that this was what was worn for tonight but technically could probably do with this go alternative as you endorse this with a vote and paul takes the endorsement to the  c c r p c and you actually approve the ground on monday but if you feel it's adequately warned that you're gone i think it's part of the city sponsorship of the bike share program of the whole thing forward so i think we can justify it so for orientation and all these things and so the green mountains i mean i don't know where they are where they say but i met a family that stated green mountain sweets for orientation just early june that would be nice to have  bikes these families could actually go you know because parking's they make it easier for families than they do for you but i mean it would be nice it was a beautiful weekend when they were here if they could just take the bikes and go help just you know that's great they want to do all the work that's good ok let's go back to item ten acknowledge receipt from the planning commission of draft an amendment to the land development regulations and accompany public hearing on draft amendments to the land development regulations all right so you just approve not too long ago a set of amendments to the land development regulations but the planning commission has been summary that you'll already hear a second time move toward a public hearing for monday july sixteenth release some of these are doing the last seven thirty pm for the present to changes want to take another opportunity to go through this probably more detail but i just i had some initial feelings of of feedback about the requirement that you were removing the glazing requirement for the interstate ramp area or for buildings that abut the know i can confirm that but that was certainly not the intent i'll go back and read it again but i just think that the side the faces the interstate is almost as important as the side that faces the street with the exception impact on the provision of sage and affordable housing by allowing slightly greater site flexibility rights so one of the requirements that exists of any sort of amendments is to look at the question of impact on housing  it's unknown as to whether any development that would occur within that little fifty foot additional area would be residential nonresidential because the transects own the form it's called area is indifferent towards use but if somebody chose to do housing it does provide a little bit more space on some tight states near the interstate to put housing in there so that's a place where i just that the site that had come to us expressing interest in this was in front of the holiday but it would be for non residential use so the impact on noise highway noise it's right up there it's not just military jets so really requirement to to have no parking in front of the commercial properties like it like in the self village i'm assuming is where the change was going that's yes that's a clean up that's there's the that was the regulations say that there's no parking in front of buildings there was a left over item related to the southeast quadrant village commercial that was somewhat and it was it was redundant language because there was a city wide standard good now why there was a stronger statement about not having parking in front buildings so so you're retaining the the ban on perking the and for the buildings or with it with this allow it in this small instance of  a commercial you would not allow it and not allowed ok because there's a city wide standard it already says it's not allowed so this road dundon language and having redundant language that read slightly differently is just a recipe for concerned neighbors and all sorts to say why is a written slightly differently here so just cleaning up that language ok well thank you we've set the date for july sixteenth ok moving on to write him twelve this is the m o you play in this city of self into the city of burlington related to the noise compatibility program at burlington international airport and if you had with the mayor of burlington we convinced him to start looking at this our m o you with with more than just we don't agree with it and so they sent us helpful for the council to have a discussion to lend some direction to that i think if you read through it i mean one of the i guess positive things is it kind of lay out lays out what each of the different cities have to do which is kind of a change in a clue to a new ski but i think as i'm sure you all have read through it doesn't say a whole lot but doesn't really do very much in my opinion anyway it's a lotta like continue to work and as possible yes there's a lot of escape language i think so  i think there's a lot to work on so megan you i think a couple things first only the city of burlington has officially expressed interest in noise insulation premature because i think the tac committee has not yet finished i mean especially the top of the second page where it's specifically this what the three unity have expressed a desire for i disagree i don't think we have expressed a desire for that yet and it doesn't include noise barriers sound walls like you see things that we have expressed this higher for for many years  we may offer any public happens right here and i'm at the formal public hearing or in writing during the public comment period so i find it to be this is nothing new this is what we have been actively burlington gets an administrative salary offset from this airport enterprise fund for i'm guessing some of the efforts they expend on coordinating these things when they use burlington employees to do the things listed in items a through k in the first bullet point the city of south burlington spends an enormous amount of staff time and attention resources on dealing with airport issues so i feel like this i'm not against this we need to communicate with them but i  would like to explore options to recoup some of the costs we expend on this continual topic of great importance to the city that our staff time is spent in big in excess of what we spend on any other enterprise operating within our borders we don't spend this time on the human we don't spend this time on other enterprises inside of our boundaries we spend an inordinate amount of time on the airport and if the city of burlington is sacked his is assessing the big amount of money that we expand on staff time documented etc we don't get reimbursed for that but the city of burlington can because they only airport and get out of that and so i don't see is this i favorable towards moving forward it some point in time with the regionalization of the airport to you don and you know i don't know what the rest of you feel about regionalisation i know tom and i are strong advocates of a regional airport and i just don't see where this some agreement even though an m o u isn't legally binding but to put on paper and to put into words that both communities signed this agreement that everyone has said had said orally to the press and then written statements that no one was supportive of buying more homes and tearing them down as i know you go one dot one one line and it can be done with it right there we go for it which will i think well that is this is what they came back with and this is yeah it is and then when you ski it has been part of this because with the thirty five they're go impacted pretty significantly as well so they're part of the ever growing issue around the fighter jets and the noise and  compatibility and buy outs and how you deal with them so they came back with  discussions that you mentioned previously with the mayors about the curvy cottages are they not are they going to be bought back sold back not to demolished i don't see any mention of that in here that is sort of a little bit of a hold does not want to tear them down he would like to either move i guess i think he would like to move them i would like to wait for the noise maps and see if they're out you know outside the sound line and maybe they can stay there but i think there's some issues with the f a a about that because they've already bought them in telecom that was pretty i mean i highlighted lots of words and i mean i agree with you it's like continue to work to transition from what the heck does that mean you know and attempt to comply with requests for presentations to the board so the surrounding what is an attempt to comply to a request does that mean i mean it might be no not possible yeah i mean not about it we have thought buyout program the way to do that is you have an agreement with the city of burlington that they're not going to apply for any grants or accept any grants don't have anything to do with with the n c p or the f a a or what they have to be the  applicant and reception of a client if they refuse to do that they will buy on demolish anymore homes that was the whole idea so the one liner that you're talking about really is what we sent to them it's more than one line but it well you know what i said yeah well the other had no i was going to say if we wanted to keep their language we keep one two three four five six seven whereas it's a lot more and more like this is was on the first day second but whereas on the first page is really what we want therefore right that the current administrations and legislative bodies of all three cities believe that removing existing houses is not their preferred method of sound mitigation within the identified contours i mean we did put in language where we wanted you know to collaborate resins come up with on the first page the second to the could work more collaboratively that it so when you develop the noise mitigation plans if you ever do that we have a greater say it's not just sitting at the meetings listening to the information making our comments and then they come back with some of the language of this that is in this  resolution that basically says you know we if if the f a a requires home demolition then we have to go along with that you know if there's a if there's a noise mitigation program that has to include tearing down homes then you know we're not going to say we're never going to apply for that and the reason why i think that's what that's w want to do is not to ever say we're going to tear down a bunch of houses because the f a a thinks it's too noisy and we just i completely agree with and i will be honest i lost confidence in the decisions over this buyout program when the curvy cottages were envelop additional plant those are brand new homes that were built with sound insulation standards that were part of the original plan so it's very valid the point you're making and that's what we're trying to accomplish so i don't know if we want to include a there for that and we can include wineskin to both wineskin south burlington will be part of just sitting at the meetings and having the public hearings because they clearly shared decision making and well you know we had a regional airport it wouldn't be an issue that is correct mean i mean any easier conversation but but it wouldn't be we wouldn't just be bad matthew burlington there with their hands tied and anyway oh they don't  it took fourteen years for vermont to be accepted as the fourteenth state in the union things take time i think that the regionalization can continue to be discussed and what happens if we don't do anything here we have spats many resolutions here that the city  your cause always because obviously there was a public opinion involved in the march vote in burlington right right you know the answer to your question dave they will do what they will do in our the programs that they apply to the f a a for money to do mitigation are determined by the communities that are affected and burlington is not a community that is affected maybe that's a big bite for them to take off how about just we agree to you know we believe that second whereas clause and ok we got one way and now the next time around well they very rarely get down maybe we i mean i just if you wanted if we want to send back something that's like this is what we originally gave you and then here's another simple over here's what we said originally and here's another way of looking at it and whatever legal language you need to enter and what's in the back and i think we would find if they don't they're going to do both  no more home by out and the decision making structure another thought this year i would like to have the decision making structure  beefed up so that the communities who are affected by get some say sure get more than some say it's this is what we want i think that's that's the other point following up on what dave said the lawyers are making a ton of money i love the notion you mention of the mixer maybe it's a subcommittee of david helen or tim and meg and two of our counselors got together with this group of the burlington city council and just door well we can certainly i can remember when we were meeting again but sometime this summer i can certainly go back to with that we'd really like to  have the councils the three cities have some councilors having this conversation morrow is a little uncomfortable i think with that although he did say he said he could see some value in gain is we continue to have a conversation with them ok i think they're in the you know no no no no sending back or are well we've read this we understand your position but this is we still argue we don't really understand their position doing oh of course we do it's they don't want to give up any and any power or any power and they don't want to be put in a box or a corner by the f a a to have such even though it's an m o you and you can get out of it i mean there's language at the end that says you know pending any situation you know like the f thirty five there's something really i don't know crash and they gave that houses need to be turned down because they're so poisoned or something yeah you think you can get out of it we gave them that opportunity or option so it's not like we said forever and if you want us to try based upon some of the comments here try to put together kind of a consensus around the core principles here and maybe some more background in that whereas in a cover letter and get it back to  but i agree with you just to reiterate what people are doing is not emily who is like yeah right i know we're going to the same meeting but some will come up tomorrow morning that's right right why aren't they part of that i mean so ok thank you and thank you tom for providing this ok moving on to item thirteen review status volunteers city committee yeah this is just a quick update for you you have a spreadsheet thank you hope we are more familiar with how we're getting applications in it works the same way it has always worked people in blue are incumbents people  black are new applicants there's a couple of new committees on here the dog park more to rename that of the dog park committee and the economic development committee but anyway  we continue to advertise i think there was the last week the last week of advertising to the application deadline is now passed with that passed i think on friday so so this is what we have so far it looks like on the new one the economic development committee w five people are interested but we needed seven so we're short pier we sure i mean i you know i haven't had a chance with a ruler  says number of people on a committee and we're doing a volunteer committees and the number of people needed number of people on the committee members yes we can probably get a lot of committees and i have no idea how many around each committee what are falling off the just an extra column be the first column all right and then we did have a conversation there and we felt that if people were already serving and being we wouldn't interview them is that right and there would be and i think that and if there was no competition right now if you have two slots open and two incumbents and they apply but if there were a third non incumbent apply then you want to day interview all of them ok potential meeting on the ninth which isn't currently scheduled only two of you could make that tom and dave on the sixteenth for if you can make it how on tim and dave dave said he doesn't want to go but they're good i can if i have to i just  get on the twenty third a meeting that hadn't been scheduled but there's a monday how on tim and dave could make it so none of the meetings have everybody the sixteenth has four of you is just you and tom second is three sixteen two potentially for about the sixteenth is already a special meeting so that's not accountable so you know this annoying me off i make and can't make dialing in for the early a gonna last three weeks right me yes i may call him on the second rather than because i'll be if i like if i have to come back i got to drive you know fifty five miles each way which i'll do but i may just call know i think charlie we do not need to be here for the second but we would for the sixteenth ok is he going to be here next week actually that would be for if there's a way for you or somebody from the team to be here on monday