case of emergency in case of emergency tonight please go out one of these two side doors and proceed to the parking lot of the south and gather there if these two doors are blocked for some reason please go back out into the main and out the front and around to the south parking lot and gather there i will be a responsible for making sure the building is cleared so please leave immediately thank you agenda review additions  or changes in the order of the agenda items and in spite of being asked to review this i did not notice that we didn't have committee reports so i would suggest that we add that as item eleven a before other business are there any other changes we're dition things we forgot  now move on to four are there any comments and questions from the public not related to the agenda jessica no i'm sorry monica scuse me yes please apologize three things if i can get them but they're short and sweet the first is i have been sitting on the t v our committee as a backup to michael montag as he was traveling and so i didn't have an official seat and michael is returning i believe in the next meeting next week monica did you for the camera so i monica asked so michael will be back and i have really enjoyed being part of that committee and think that i can continue playing a good role on the committee i also understand that there is a seat open that had not been filled from the public i believe just no one came forward with interest in that seat and if that see the still available i was going to ask if the council would consider making me a permanent member of that committee and then i would not be backing bernie on the open going to be going either way so in your capacity second thing is i would like to ask the city council to consider issuing a statement of support to the community equity collaborative of brattleboro they are members of the community members of this community equity collaborative a broader barer brattleboro area who need to express their outrage and concern they were shocked to learn that our laws protects the kind of threatening and intimidating actions perpetrated upon representative morris and her family that led attorney general donovan to declare that khiam morris was a victim of racial harassment however charges were not filed against the perpetrators the coalition wants to support governor scott attorney general john of then speaker johnson and president pro tem ashton addressing this unacceptable weakness in our state's legal framework and they are urging the governor and all to use the unique authority of their leadership positions to ensure that perpetrators of hate are well monitored by vermont law enforcement and to strengthen vermont laws to protect individuals and communities throughout our state from the actions of anyone who intends to inflict hate intimidation or physical harm on any other person i know that it's not a simple solution is a lot of first amendment rights that are at stake  addressing this but i feel that it's important for our community and the city council to show their solidarity with the efforts there because it really does impact everyone across the state and the country so i can leave this the last thing is i know that in town meeting day burlington is going to be putting a plastic bag ban on their ballot and it's a non binding question but i would add i would ask if the city council would consider this same question and i know we can't get into our town meeting day but it's not really needed a vote isn't needed for something like this if it does pass in burlington and has already passed in br believe hill years looking at it as well woods that would south burlington consider an ordinance according to a digger article that i can share with you it was said there that this this kind of change would not require a charter change or a state legislator legislative approval it can be done with an ordinance change it also said that municipal action makes it more like local municipal action makes it more likely for a state wide band eventually so if the city council would consider the same kind of ordinance maybe based on what happens with the burlington question in town meeting today this is limited to those shopping bags so there's not like there's this limited the burlington's maybe more i was trying to find with actual languages and i don't have that but most of the bands are single use certain type of plastic like a natural can you send us a link to the report yes i'll send you the digger report link and i'll leave this thank you very much thank you for all your service to the  great any other comments from the public not on the agenda great ok announcements and the city managers report temp you want to start with announcements a create some documentation that will be useful for us the council there's clarity in focus for the i think there is now there was some question about that you know at previous meetings but i think the immediate need is to first of all document th i think it's i don't think we're going to come up with a hard conclusions about you know why i don't think there are going to be saying oh you show allowed to do x y and z i think we'll have some sort of broad proposals if we get there but you know and i think the important thing is that the the average person doesn't really know how two years work we don't know how many have been used or how much they cost one of the interesting things or proposals is to create some transparency in seller market for that and to perhaps use planning and zoning as a non directed marketplace you know a catalyst in other words to allow the buyers and sellers to more office saying yeah well here are the buyers and here are some sellers and you can call me if you want you know because there were have been some complaints of the meetings where you're nobody's ever sure exactly who's selling who's buying you know so and i don't think the city wants to get wrapped up t complain that there wasn't somebody who was trying to be known as being a buyers or we don't want to make a work out of it we just want to enable people to connect to each other thank you david nothing i alan strong because of course we're in the same building and just i think he's on track to get this worked on within a nine month timeframe he knows how important that is he's here in the open in the open space committee and  and he's pleased with how that's progressing so far and and he knows he's got a time schedule to keep i remind him of that once a week anyway but that's about it you're so and i got to remind him that he has he probably knows that he's got those resources there as they look at open space in the impacts on wildlife and i got a couple students i think in the master's or ph d program who are really focused on wildlife and that would be that would be helpful so it's good yeah sounds wonderful thank you i can well the third meeting of the open space committee is tomorrow night it's tomorrow night at seven pm so  father and daughter bella time stay dance great date and looking forward to taking her to the pink jacket is that which are no good at this time of year one of them great ok and i just chimed in over the phone on our steering committee meeting with the city council i mean with the school board and miss the last mean although as it turns out i was sitting on the runway for four hours as detroit airport was closed due to freezing rain and all the runways and taxiways so i could have joined but they kept saying well we might take off so i didn't land as many in they diverted seventy which is a lot and then we were sort of the last crumb out there and we were way out because we were about to take off so safety first delta gave me twenty thousand yeah so the city city managers report thanks ellen i was on tuesday of last week i was at a ceremony honoring one of our police officers brianna williamson who has done an enormous amount of work  to support special olympics and rianne is going to go to dubai to be the torch bearer in the torch run for special olympics international and i next month she was she was participating in the penguin plunge on saturday saturday i think to raise money for that but it was a really nice it was really nice recognition of one of our fine police officers giving back to the community not only as a police officer but  for special olympics so it's pretty cool this afternoon actually parker hosted a meeting of the regional conservation group that we've been working with that now includes south burlington williston shelburne st george and hines burg and so planners and managers and relevant staff were here at our office to talk about how we might pull together a regional compact that is built around working together on conservation lands that that are contiguous certainly are contiguous in our communities and actually is doing a great job on that and we're going to bring in a bigger group for the next meeting to include c c r p c but but i think we're also going to start working on a draft compact or accord it's not a contract but just a draft agreement of some types about how we could work together to support all those things related to our conserve land i was at the rotary awards reception last week which was very nice they do a great job and and one thing they do is they highlight all the people who are the rotary supports throughout the year and it's a huge group really there were twenty people i think who were representing different organizations tom and i were there for south burlington but and all the many things reuters done for s on last friday three we had three in firefighters who made it through their year probationary perk period and are now full members of the fire department to meetings there's just so there's no council meeting next week this is the first time and i have to write it through the nineteenth of february i'm a participate with some other housing and municipal folks in a day in the legislature to support affordable housing and they'll be some testimony before committees on that a lot a has just completed a memo on storm water issues as it relates to the community center and to the school so that's more of a technical memo about the issues that need to be addressed and how we propose addressing them and then off duty the food shelf effort in the various people who are working on that seems to be moving along pretty well and we're looking at a new building located just up the street actually not ready quite to announce it but it looks like a good facility for the food shelf so lots of work to still remains to be done on that and a lot of community volunteers involved so that's my report ok tim forgot one thing so the better buildings by design conference is this thursday and wednesday at the doubletree and on thursday at one thirty pm the public can go into the exec submission hall and actually see all the exhibits so i think the theme this year is affordable efficiency so all the vendors will be there with all their wares and interesting things to look at so i think anybody can just walk in at one thirty on thursday till three thirty so i'm going great thank you ok on to item six the consented genda i would entertain a motion to prove the consent and including the fine disbursements approval of minutes for january fourteenth and the twenty second and approve the form of the documents related to the issuance of a fourteen million dollar general obligation bond for a voter approved improvements one eighty market street as presented subject to the insertion by the manager and advise him by some consent of legal counsel over other data related to the transactions as the same becomes known to adopt same and to authorize execution and the very beginning of the document it states that and he meeting of the city council where the jury or quorum was present and there was unanimous vote in support of the project it wasn't unanimous or just want to change that language so you could see a majority of the think we could just enter box attorney i think you could just straight through the line that that word itself i've already reached out to outside counsel to make that at it yet so so i think other than that it would just be a proving  paragraph there mr cough and cough and move to authorize the city manager to proceed with plan like with fission of land interests as presented and it should believe it was time chicken and who seconded it was originally tim tim bear in the minutes that i said because he dissented so i said to him i don't think that's correct but i believe it's time chittenden who seconded that motion do we need to have that recorded in the minutes if we could yeah i would i would think so too and then the question i have is selena's been asking for the january seventh minutes and i'm just curious where we are with that because she sent out at least two or three notices asked me for the january seventh minute so i thought i read through them but i didn't see the mind yeah any changes that i needed to make i moved and seconded any further discussion on favor signify by saying i write in the post ok and now we have a dem see improving the form of the documents for the issuance of the fourteen million dollar attorney in moving us forward so i'm ok with this language even though i abstain from the library the people have spoken and so i think this is sensible i support moving a forward thank you so we have a motion and a second any further discussion ok all  e in favor signify by saying i any opposed so it passes four to one moving on to item seven this is the update report from the dog park committee to include recommendations for amendment to conduct in parks ordinance and a possible first reading so our service  you well it's nice to see you alive for a little while before sitting in my living room in california watching you from a distance you came back just for this meeting and she just she  anyway i am delighted to be here i have to tell you that this has been an amazing  our work plan is still on schedule and our overarching goal is that we will make in form decisions and that we will engage the community says the justice we think it's very important  we'll talk in a minute about the survey if you haven't seen it and what's going to be happening tomorrow night  forward so in terms of making informed decisions what we have information in data collection for us to make sure that we all have the same information we've reviewed existing ordinances in a bit will andrew and i will talk about a recommendation for an ordinance change we've met with both paul connor and holly reese to talk about sites in south burlington that might be possible places we also have in the future we will talk with i started called jason his name is justin  about the impact on public works but to make sure that we have as much information as possible and we also have a liaison for the reps from the recreation and parks committee mike simoneau who sits with us and someone from natural resources so we are getting feedback from a number of different places and thanks to betting let's see if we have we have lots of information from other cities about what they've done in dog park development and operations both maggie and i have found ourselves in recent months i in san francisco and she in cincinnati walking around taking pictures of dog parks i don't walk in cities anymore the way i used to because because of what we're doing but paying attention to what's happening in other communities betty has brought us a ton from the internet but we're also getting some live information if you will some statistics for you we're using a base of about nine hundred thousand citizens and from that using the american veterinary medicine association calculations we estimate that there are probably about forty three hundred dogs in the city of south burlington of those thirteen hundred are registered which is an interesting number in and of itself  disparity only thirty one percent are registered and the estimate is that about a little over twenty five hundred households probably have at least one dog and from the data we started to look at from the survey they may have more than one dog  so we have a lot of dogs in dog residence but the other piece that has we have been reminded is that nearly fifty percent of south burlington residents live in multifamily or densely populated areas meaning they don't have a backyard where they can let their dog out the back door and go and so we're paying attention to that piece of information we've talked with the people working on the pod about including something about dog parks in in that document we also know that there are a couple of densely populated areas where dog park amenity has been added but it's very small and one of the things that we learned tonight is we looked at the first set of data it had to do with the fact that people want a place it's large enough for a big dog to have a good time to play and dogs need a place to play i am often reminded by of that that they need they need a place to be dogs and just to to romp and have a good time so in terms of community awareness about and so they have copies for all of you a from dog owners and non dog owners and we will be looking at those data and seeing what we can learn we saw some trends tonight when we looked initially i don't want to talk about those trends because you never know what those trends will look like after we get a larger data set but we're at least getting some good responses positive constructive feedback that's the one i was giving yes and when you when you just so you know if people are watching and listening when you click on the add in the picture of the playing dogs comes up you have to click on the thing that says learn more and it takes you right to the survey and so i would encourage people to please take a few minutes takes fewer than ten to fill it out in the information will be really helpful to us and i'm grateful we had in response to one of the questions we had fifty comments not only did people answer the question but they took the time to write a sentence or two so it will be helpful to us tomorrow night six o'clock and that community room at the police department we are hoping we put it out there as much as we can  for people to attend a forum where we're going to talk a little bit about our process to date and we are also then going to say we like to hear from you what is it that you want us to know about dog parks and about dog parks  south burlington so we will do this as a preliminary we're not going to have a report for them about sites in terms of yes we want to put a dog park in tom didn't you offer your backyard for it betty but that is that decision has not been made but instead what we're going to sort of show them the information that we have gleaned so far and then we will take the feedback from tomorrow night and also from the survey and move forward in terms of trying to determine at least and we're trying to glean some of that from this survey and we've heard in the form that we hold over it chamberlain we heard about concerns about buffering so we know that those things are there we try to identify as many of those issues as we could in the survey but that's the other reason that we will have a second community forum after we think that we've got the right idea but before we come to you so that there will be another opportunity for community  staff and then the recommendation from reckon parks we've identified those five city owned properties there are the other green dots identify some other city owned properties we are also looking at a longer term issue in terms of other properties that might be an option but that at least gives you up at the top is garvey park then there is creek and we are homestead underwood and red rocks so those are the five that are sort of can everybody see what we're talking about the red paws or the red points because it's an existing of of what we've been looking at and it does come there we have had a fair amount of deliberation about about properties and where we might go with lease we love that we love to put donate on that option we don't really think anybody's going to donate a piece of property but we keep hoping that there might be later consideration of either private or institutionally owned property where we could have a lease for at least five years if not a purchase and th it would be worth it if we could have an extended period for the lease that we might be able to dog parks and other places that will not be the first one that we recommend but it's certainly under discussion for us so are you discussing ways to raise money either through fees tour anything like that or is that not fill we have had we have had general conversations about their location location location has been the biggest issue  first to come together to with a work plan and the mission statement and those are overarching things but then after that to deal with the whole discussion about location in the different opinions that come with location and you know we want to know from natural resources we want to know from rec and parks we want to know from we went looked at a couple of pieces that are just too small so we've been sort of exploring all of those options but when you she is our resident expert on that so i'm not going to try to answer questions related to that but if you have them you can ask her because she knows all things about dog park site about maintenance about operating rules  about the whole thing about who is going to have access how do you get access to the dog park right now anybody can go in there we will be having that discussion in terms of  people who have a licensed dog using dog parks and how will they then be able to access that how will it be monitored etc in terms of funding issue maggie went out with the flyers about the forum and had a really positive response from some local places that we wanted to post that and we're hoping that there are some foundations as well as local businesses that will be interested in providing to to the first and continuing dog parks as well as the development of friends of the dog parks and so far we had a number of people maybe twenty  indicated that they would be interested in some sort of a group about the dog parks so we're hoping that a few of those folks will step forward and much like friends of the library will have friends of the dog parks and their friends of the dog parks in other cities around the country that  we've looked at so we're pretty hopeful about the funding resources issue that we will be able to supplement the city's contribution with some external funds to enhance the dog park we also anticipate a second community forum sometime in may where at that point we are hopeful that we will have at least a draft of something that talks about  location initial and then projected future locations we are all agreed that we're going to need more than one dog park into burlington and so a plan for the longer term evolution of parks and then terms of the future work of the dog park community there is a lot beyond the disputed recommendations for june third we hope that we are going to open our first dog park that will develop friends of the dock parks at the collaboration will continue we'll look at funding look at activities like agility that people may be interested in having or parks and rec may be interested in offering something we also need to plan for a leadership transition  for the community both maggie and i will be seeing the end of our terms after the city council on june third so we are we are having those discussions and making sure that there will be a smooth transition and then city council considerations into your capable hands we commend the plane for a creation of future dog parks we can give you recommendations but it's really up to all of you to so i would be remiss if i did not talk about the power of commitment for just a minute we have held eight meetings since the first of october which may not sound like a lot to a city council that's been meeting bunches to get people together and and  i will commend the i t folks i've been running these meetings from my living room in california and the committee is terrific we've shared the work of people listen really well we've worked by consensus staff liaison has been absolutely terrific so that's what i have to share with you tonight andrew's going to company me up in a minute we have a recommendation for an ordinance change but you might have questions before now are there know many and as you develop the rules for the park i should certainly encourage you to develop those with a very specific incentive if you are going to use the park they got to have registered dogs and that has that has that has been in our conversation but we have not put it in print yet so i didn't want to write it down but i can assure you we are all cognizant however that result works with access to the park because as you know we also talked about many months ago there's all kinds of technology now available for accessing parks so as long as that's front and center on your radar whatever you all come up with here i guarantee you it is not lowest i be potential sites for it's very just wanted to add that to your radar as well as to maggie's and you can of course transmit that to the other committee members as we go through these open spaces in our city there might be something that we are we are we feel we feel sort of constrained by looking at at this point city owned properties but we have had conversations about nine city owned properties in the hope that that will be part of an for whatever you use a specific no it's twenty five thousand dollars for a dog park so it might be fencing it might it could be any number of things for a dog park my understanding from the conversation i had with with tom briefly the other day was by by holly and i'm curious the committee's perspective on how it arrived to come into this reckoning during the deliberations of the dog park task force and we don't want to go back and revisit a bunch of history about some of that but during the dog park task force in the closing of the park at j c it became really clear to us that g c was not a park that should be off leash and it's pretty intense in terms of  activities going on there and mike reiterated that tonight during our meeting before this meeting and so we think that g c needs to be designated as an on leash park for people who bring their dogs there just society where people hire lawyers for all these things i think the city is exposed if we don't have a leash law putting the onus on the owner of the dog to two of these dogs are controlled and they cross to mean these little pocket parks too i would before we would approve th committee will be here for the second one but i'm wanting to at least bring it up tonight well we were talking about don't parks in general so is the council agreeable to including all of the perks as  required leach started forcing it differently but i think it makes sense to have a consistent requirement across all of our public we all know and i don't mean for it we don't really enforce it now it's just that what you hope people will do when you have a little sign that says dogs must be on leash but we all know myself included don't always follow that let's at this particular point in time if the dog park committee recommends a dog park at one of the parks then that park will not be just right so right now with no or nothing on dog parks and blanket across the board dogs have to be on leashes in public reckon park committee about that and so we are hesitant to do anything other than to say this is a part that we have clearly identified that needs to be unleashed and there are a number of issues about on leash off leash etc that sort of need to be explored and so we'd like to have some more time to do that and there is the whole issue of enforcement and that's that's not our purview  but it may be something that they the council wants to discuss at some point you know if the school department has any leash laws on their athletic fields for even just parents who come to a lot of people bring their dogs and stand at the fence and watch the football game or whatever it is and i'm just curious i mean that's i guess not our purview there are parks are there although i think  when they veterans memorial park and those kinds of places for their activities we had some well we don't know the answer to that if you'd like that then and left hand back here has volunteered to try to get that information for you from the school district but we had conversations about the concerns of parents when their kids are going to be playing on those fields and they have also been used as a place for dogs to run well there's sort of two issues but yeah you certainly don't want the football field to be a dog park on weekends when there's no football games but even if you pick up but i was just thinking of the spectators bring dogs i don't know what the rules are and i was just curious if they had rules about they have to be on a leash i've never seen a sign but most people do but i think not all so i was just curious i don't know about the lacrosse field but i think the football field is fenced on this area yeah there's a fence all around it but s custody and control of dogs and animals in general does talk about dogs running at large and so if there's ever a circumstance in school district property where they're running at large then i think that would fall under the umbrella of  police department or otherwise it's just sort of have to be within control and force control well i just think it would be helpful to find out and be sensitive to the school district if they have any particular concerns or maybe it's something them really thought about but would like to and come up with their own policy versus having the city impose something on them leash with a retractable you know leashes that can go up to twenty twenty five feet i mean yeah i mean this would seem to preclude those three even though even if you had six feet that would qualify if it went up to twenty feet that they should be doing that but is you know what else is a remainder just curious if antec technically that would be a had it at the next council meeting but the council meeting after that so there's a lag time of two meetings so the meeting after is march fourth and the meeting at the budget and that's the budget  in the other paper and have a hearing you know it takes time and if we were to come back in another two months we'd also like to recommend these parks be added or this language would have to go through the whole thing again is it worth it when we have snow on the ground to do it now or to wait until april when you have a chance to go to the recreation parks committee have a dual recommendation think about what the school districts position that my guess is it's going to be i'm looking at my colleagues in the back but my guess is that it is going to be a while before we have a recommendation a expanding it beyond g c i don't think it's right now our focus is going to be on getting a recommendation to you for a dog park and for all of the rules and regulations and operational issues that need to be included in that recommendation as well as hopefully finding some funders to provide a little support for that so i'm not sure that this would come high end if we were to charge the recreation and parks committee with making a recommendation i i think it should come from us and then go to recreation in parks for concurrence or not but i'm  i'm getting to have knives in the back and we and they also are working on a whole lot of things have in anticipation of a major project that's going to come to them and april instead of march and so i think that it will be a while before you see another recommendation coming forward it just felt to us like the dog park task force had brought this already into it's been sitting there for a while and so we really needed to sort of move along and we needed to confer with reckon parks and do those things before we were ready but given i think the really sensible argument that megan has put forth to spend the money to have another hearing to notice it and then have some additional small changes in months i don't think you'll see it in two months i think it's going to be at least six or eight that's my that's my best guess but we want to and also have it that first reading the next meeting and still wanted in time for the eighteenth but why don't we try to do that ok so it stands to have a second hearing that seven thirty on march eighteenth in the dog ordinance just then the ordinance regulating conduct in south bronx arcs for monday march eighteenth at seven thirty pm here in city hall seven thirty pm get down to number nine if it's ok to convene the public hearing to receive comments related to the proposed charter amendments to be presented to the south bronx in voters consideration during the city's an so similar to tim's voter earlier i am going to oppose calling this a public hearing because i am opposed to article three that we are warning as part of the process so i'm going to vote no and i just want the public to know why i'm about to vote no to not open the public hearing but the public hearings a certain time period what happens if we don't have a public hearing we could potentially be in violation of the wall to be challenged that the charter all i'm saying is this isn't that fits within the scope of this right and we go to vote to actually add the tax will we have the ability to to vote for either just the one percent rooms a meal or just a one percent sales or both together the don't support giving future councils this one or a different composition the right to invoke a sales tax and that's why on principle i didn't support voting to vote in this public airing ok you on record saw last year was the first year we had the current so this is the second year the form has changed slightly we didn't we were not required to provide a narrative this year and they had some accounting changes which did not affect this year  very much but we haven't second spreadsheet which affects the prior years although you just see the summary on this so that it doesn't show up that much but it was a big change for us so so  so this year you'll see there is some discussion about it scrap and see between what was on the our certified original taxable value we are accounting system shows one number and that is what is the number in the report we're the land for elliott square was broken off from what it was a new lot called property which is from garden street west to mary street and the mary street section was also broken off so that added about a half million dollars and then we report on what's happened in f y twenty eighteen which is then joe i won twenty eighteen through no twenty seventeen to june thirtieth twenty eighteen so would it be fair to say is additional parcels are divided that their value increases this is yes so smaller lots or more  also we had a conversation with p b r and this will affect next year it will not affect this year's so we will be taking all of the parcels that are owned by the same owner that are next to each other and will be putting them in  the same to the same parcel in our grand list meaning that the part if the property owner has type our piece next to each other all under the same ownership name they will get one tax bill and i've heard that they are not exactly happy with this but this is according to the regulations of the state and so they've asked us to do this in the district it will definitely simplify reporting and so we will be doing that going forward not not for this year but every year going forward we did have a debt obligation so the taxpayers voted and the city borrowed based on the vote five million dollars for the construction of market street and the city's central park that with that debt we were able to retire the four hundred sixty thousand dollars that was an inter from loan that was approved to both trigger the district and fund the park so that was retired year we the largest project that we advance with city center park obviously the bulk of the kids auction was completed the the second largest project that was advanced during this period was the library city hall and senior center and then the third was market street and we also advanced garden street streetscape the i eighty nine bridge over over i'm sorry in partnership with any waiver men did obtain a storm water permit for their properties so that's a significant amount of the storm water within the district but that's not reflected on here that's not we did not fund any of that so that was not a cost city the sources of non tariff revenues are all listed so to date or to july i'm sorry june thirtieth twenty eighteen the city has expended just over two and a half million top of this the page so i'm sorry so i apologize i missed i did not read the top line so the total amount spent today is just over two and a half million i would point out for this that we have the reserve fund listed at the top as the top line and i have asked for that to be removed from this column because all of these sources are to pay directly for project costs but the reserve fund pays for servicing debt which is not a direct sort of one to one and we're sort of mixing apples and oranges so we have taken that up and the last line you'll see is municipal dept proceeds so that becomes the city's funded costs on projects so the total that first column should fun project cost but in a different way the next table relates to related costs so during this period our related costs were for the to audit and also the we have legal cost s real property development we've pretty much covered as i as i said it sensually was the subdivision of a par and during this period there were no new employees that were hired within businesses in the in the tip district and then during this period we also report on vermont for firms to the state so the contractor for the city center parcs that was where most of the funding was spent received the highest amount of funding blaming them for architects was second they have actually a large team of mainly vermont firms and then some out of state firms that are working on the project as well and then and then several of these are actually lumped together of multiple firms plan works was also fairly large they're working on the city center  part and then we also report on what our approval criteria and what we have been advanced towards the approval criteria at this point are our main approved we had businesses that were developed and we have i'm sorry new jobs that were created because of new businesses and that was satisfied with the development of the pier one that criteria was satisfied transportation enhancements was another one of the criteria that we met and that we have not completed any transportation project on the other hand the development has not occurred yet that created the need for the transportation project so we'll continue to work towards that preached satisfying that that's all interest no principle paying down that's what it says annual debt service down below it says it's all interest paid in no principal payment that's correct and the preach before we have seventy nine thousand dollars for the last reporting year year two thousand and eighteen we took in seventy nine thousand dollars in total to revenues based on the four point six million dollar increase as a company two thousand and seventy two thousand so if we've taken in more would it be capped at that one thirty four six sixty one as the no so all the increment that the city receives goes into a separate fund and it's if there is no obligations it sits there after the city completes all of the debt that has that the city can issue meaning that we once we reach that deadline for that unless not for burlington but we're not really intent so until we reach that one once we reach the deadline for a debt then we will work with the state to figure out how much we actually need to make the payments so that if we have a surplus we might reduce the percentage that we keep so right now we keep seventy five percent of the five percent of the education of the municipal both vote seventy five so if that is the amount of income and that goes into the fund is greater than what we would need to meet our obligations that percentage would be we anticipate it to be seventy eight thousand total the following year we expect it to be eighty four thousand or approximately eighty nine thousand i'm sorry eighty five thousand so eighty four point nine thousand were wrong to be some little alarmed at the shortfall so we so we one of the reasons that the research funding exists is because we expect the revenue fines to begin vary it's sort of like a slow acceleration so you're always keeping what is built and then adding to it what what happens with a large volume project calculate what allard square would be if it was a pretty purely commercial project no affordability subsidy at all and if it were a purely commercial project we would receive about twenty four thousand dollars more in tax revenues of which about six thousand would be municipal and about eighteen would be education so if then apply the same concept to the c t a building which is being built on the corner of garden and market and it's about a third bigger you're talking about thirty six thousand compared to what we're going to less as a subsidized affordable housing project and so is each team so it's each t they're just a big project so if you combine the two it's sixty thousand rough i mean we're  sixty thousand dollars in reduced tax revenue because it is subsidized affordable housing as opposed to a straight commercial project so s tax bill going to be the next year i don't know i didn't count i can run that we can find out but all part is that five thousand i don't know but but it's twenty it's twenty four thousand dollars less than it would be if it were a commercial project will get you what it is will get the community is fourteen and we all want to fordable housing build and sell burlington and this is one of the ways that we support affordable housing which is spread that cost of the reduced tax revenue broadly across the whole tax base that smaller number so it doesn't really so that the real cost or or what we will get from now on from allard square won't kick in until twenty and  till the after april twenty ninth new from a year from now or so it really lags so i appreciate that seventy two seventy nine thousand we're not going to be making five and just to it's sort of creeps up and then between twenty and twenty one there's a seventy thousand dollars yeah so it's sort of going up by like twelve fifteen twenty and then market i don't want to use a part time here but this i need to do some more homework on because i got to say i'm walking out of this conversation somewhat concerned because we have one hundred thirty four right now just on the five million in the market street we're about to put another five million on the city hall library so that's effectively going to double it and even with the numbers you just laid out we're still falling short of covering that three hundred this general obligation that so this is going to factor into our future budgets so i need to do some more homework a f u results past in the consent agenda see that it's annual for well if they don't come in that's true but the developers are interested in developing i mean they're talking about and have plans we just they're not public yet we're going to need to do some more homework but i'm leaving this projection that's based on conversations with developers and based on the plans that they provided as part of their island permits and their stormwater permits and that projection which is the numbers that i just gave you are based off that projection and that is the exhibit for the public the tiptop legation that we currently have for market and market and city center park it shows the projected obligation to parchin which is five million and that has not been we have not recommended that the city or the city is not going out for debt for that five million piece that's in the was in the consent is just for the city share it's not for the tip share we would prefer because projections they're not shovels in the ground that if a major economic downturn comes in and all the sudden development freezes then we as a council want to revisit this conversation when the final payment of that book so they i we did not tell them out before that or there were i don't we didn't have one before that but no one else so they were not being required for that any of the questions for a long ok thank you very much thanks thank you all right so now we're moving on to item ten this is the overview of the public survey taken from voters at the these are the students but also i note paul conner came to class several times and helped us with the design of the questionnaire did a tour around the city to introduce it to the students in the school school district made a couple of suggestions to  here's an important on comedy here it's kind of inside to have to make it fun perception really is oftentimes more important in reality we see here the public perception of the crime the crime rate  large numbers of people going up for a while and even up higher now if i had more recent figures saying there's more crime now than your used to be a year ago but in fact the real data shows that the crime rate is going down and so the public is drawn in but their perception is very important because oh good good it double the audience we have so let's keep that in mind because i think we'll see some things where you look at it and say i think they're they're wrong but it is just a matter of perception there's a table of contents of what i'll go through a little bit about that describing the surveying and then the middle categories or how i tried to break the questionnaire up in the least in terms of presentation and i don't have to show you the interpretive tips as we go through this tonight i've got about a dozen slides that are in this color and that just means that there's a time comparison here so this is a case of six to sixteen to eighteen when we've done a couple of surveys and here's another tip about the interpretation we had three sets of questions that were matrix questions like this one so is the same response set but different items like providing quality services maintaining and so forth and so that i don't exactly repeat the whole thing each time i just put some arrows on it so if you go from section to section you'll see the arrows will we'll see this later that's just for interpretation the strength of exit polls are well known and they they reflect people who have the most interest in civic issues issues that may be a negative or maybe a positive we get a good cooperation we don't get many rejections pretty easy to get large numbers very inexpensive typically allows voters and other form of expression about their community and i think that's good for the community to do and finally i think there's a little dynamic about the interviewing process on election day that has people outside the polling station talking to each other and listening to each other it's kind of fun to take part in that solve it the most obvious one is you can't get non voting adults and you rarely get early voters in our case we got almost no early voters really came over for half a day and of course  five students there engaging the public directly there are those other things if you were to find twenty five or thirty five students i'd be happy to do this next year in the year after you know people who we could get a little training o put three people who teach it u v s so we should be able to each get some some good interviewers so this this shows that this is how many according to the estimate anyway this is the population over the age of eighteen but only this many are active voters and here are the people who cast a ballot there that many early voters in november suppose they november sixth in fact this is a slightly dated version of the powerpoint that's the telltale sign i hope certainly i hope there are many mistakes and i corrected some since i since i did this isn't the exact same one that that i show were the people we interviewed they exactly mirror gender in voting the gender distribution of voting age adults very close on age so if we had slightly more older slightly fewer in this age but that's the way people vote nationally and of course voters are typically better educated than the average resident and that's what we try and also you don't need to see the voter district make use of the voter turnout for the united states in that midterm was forty nine percent for vermont fifty seven impressive south burlington even better and of course the four different districts have very different numbers about south burlington i got from the emerging community survey we estimate about this number of overall population number of households about that many and the median family income of course in south burlington is higher than in vermont  the national average median household income is higher than for my family's below poverty a little better percent never married that's pretty common bachelor's degree these are very important characteristic according to the census american community survey fifty five percent of the south burlington population is a bachelor's degree in vermont it's thirty seven it's higher than the national average which is only thirty one but in south burlington it's much higher i'm sorry and a family is sure more people related by blood or marriage a household can include singles ok so they're single people and they're that and that just naturally brings with them  our age and we are aging is i mean as we stand here we're aging but the medium median age in south burlington is forty three vermont younger united states quite a bit you population the census says we have about twenty eight percent under the age of thirty five our poll got twenty two percent but you can see over here we've got more older people but that's part of the voting pattern older people are more likely to vot young people here's a blue slide that shows we have a comparison over time and so the single family homes not two different condos  different from the survey we did in two thousand and sixteen to the present time and that may not that may just be a sampling difference i don't think it represents a real change in the population this is remarkable that it came out so incredibly similar between the two years according to what people told us when we asked them how do you think of it or how would you describe yourself politically as conservative liberal independent in by the way nationally the gallup poll shows that thirty eight percent self identify as conservative twenty four percent is liberal and that many independent so we're really a more liberal state liberal yes liberal state but also i'm  and we'll look at some subgroup differences and some of the results you can see with and here are some examples and some some group differences you will we'll actually we'll look at those numbers just kind of interesting results you know higher education women homeowners liberals concerned answered the questions a little bit differently and we'll look at some of those s so let's look at some of the general priorities here's the first matrix and the question was is what is one of the opening questions as i read you a list of issues relate the south burlington how important each of these two  that phrasing isn't precisely what we had but it's very it really captures it quite well for example this is i'm reading off the questionnaire here providing quality city services such as reparation fire ambulance police and so forth through the entire city is very important so on and so forth one could answer all of this is very important absolutely correct absolutely you know and they were not as you see here items that have been reordered from the original they weren't asked in that order and i put them in their order based on just one criteria which is the very important it doesn't mean these are unimportant but it does yeah everything's pretty much important yeah yeah yeah now here's a comparison going back to two thousand and twelve and two thousand and sixteen so this is the same chart  that over here except the right hand side of it and just kept the very important and we see that in two thousand and sixteen ninety one percent said that issue was very important  at not too many said like a higher right now if if we look from left to right which items do you think show that the greatest change the balance in the city budget i think that's  know people answer these questions sometimes in terms of where they recently read in what is perceived to be in threat you know if it's not in threat it's not a big issue they should kind of assume right if we continue to balance the budget so it that's not a threat they'll do it maybe five raising the taxes but but isn't that a huge change in the affordable housing yeah thirty seven percent is that it's encouraging just in terms of methodology to see that when we weren't talking about it much in two thousand and twelve not many people selected it but we've been talking about it a lot for the last several years in so it's  well some of that may be the perception of housing being more affordable in two thousand and twelve it could be because prices have jumped in disproportionately quickly and there were more that it could be more of a concern i would guess that's  a significant piece of it because because of the perception we're going to make certain it can be well there certainly is a greater knowledge of what affordable housing is i think because we have a committee in the and they'll be one more this coming thursday and that's in the schools but we're good and you stay awake that's going to be comprehensive plan set is i mean it's the highest one but it is just with excellent and very good it's just fifty five percent because it seems as if the lot of f o b a lot of effort and again the people that were asking this of are the very ones who come to those meetings and participate i mean and so i just that's troubling to one thing that will change is just a little bit this is not the first it's the highest one but maintaining public schools maintaining quality public school is above this and you'll see that later i wasn't sure it was mentioned in the comprehensive plan and so i removed it when i was presenting this you'll see it in all the in all of the others in retrospect they should not have done in fact i was told that it is obliquely mentioned at least in  comprehensive plan your take i didn't know that when i made that decision so here's some differences by by neighborhood and by homeowners status so this question which we just saw was forty one percent in the last lied we now see there statistically significant differences by the by the precinct with their school or bike to their housing is excellent or very good here is a change from two thousand and sixteen or actually more accurately not to change in just those two years know absolutely absolutely in two thousand and sixteen we ask this open space question this way conservation important open spaces and other resources in two thousand and eighteen we change it a little agriculture committee and there are you know talk about the voters it was done partly by the burlington land trust and they sent to the interest members and said get your friends and so forth and the results on open space came out very different than you will see here and i think that sampling is part of the reason for th enjoyed voter support and so here we have quality schools up here and tied with providing quality services and here we have another i don't mind and schools remember i said i didn't have that before i took it out and regretted it here it is back in again and now you see twenty six percent the only item that received double digits this was only nine that's twenty six but there's been a big jump we'll see over the last time in the number of people who don't know who had no opinion on it and you see it in this life yeah that's skewed by the age so if the lot of the farther away you are from having children in the schools the less you know about them so you know really you know we do see that as related to age but this is only a two year change so i'm a little surprised at this big jump in the two year period of time you know there are a lot more rental units in the city that have to come online in two years and renters if there are newer renters are shorter term they just might not know they might be of an age where they don't have kids you difference older people have more positive things to say than younger people about the schools and significant differences in the voter district southeast quadrant by far the highest kennedy drive same question you've seen before i just highlighted the city schools tied with removing renewables here eighty four percent said they were willing to pay the extra hundred dollars in taxes to improve  comparison would you spend an extra hundred dollars for the schools look at how this goes from fifty two percent seventy eight eighty four the wording is a little different in in one thousand nine hundred two he said for better schools this was an open ended question those are the words that i haven't done any further analysis of those three hundred thirty four sentences  and that stinks and that's what's giving us so many of the issues that we have today so writing communication is is no surprise that they're right up there with you know your and your it's here's another question and i don't find that very helpful but  so i'm inviting a high school senior to do that ok let's focus on energy and climate change so here are the questions on reducing energy consumption citywide increasing renewables and just highlighting that it's not in terms of the excellent it's on the lower end of the scale how well has the city done and making progress on that last two or three years here's that ryan and and so we see w that's a lot of people maybe four percent is a lot of people who say that be willing to do  that and here it is by gender women are much more likely to be liberals or more likely to liberals and independents independents generally nationally are closer to liberals and to conservative and here we see that there is a proportion to still a lot of people i mean seventy seven percent of the men right sure yeah right here some economic how important is maintaining the tax rate there is that question again attracting more businesses balancing the city budget i don't interesting when you look at it like  think it's bad in space then you aren't immediately saying oh yeah let's get some more businesses think because where would they go you know open space  so here they were and in the larger scheme some differences by demographics men are more likely than women women to be willing to pay extra money to attract more businesses homeowners and older respondents are more likely to give priority to maintaining the tax rate homeowners forty five renters younger people versus old the tax it was that we didn't give him the option to go there are some questions i called infrastructure and there are quite a few there's the quality services affordable housing new infrastructure like we now them together affordable housing you know excellent and very good not quite twenty percent conservation up to those two almost fifteen percent  so by demographics the overall for better parts and facilities was seventy higher among younger people lowest among older people improving city schools there's that younger group we saw before right less among older supporting the construction of more affordable housing eighty percent overall renters more interested in that it's understandable five of the eight items had greater support this is to spend an extra hundred dollars among those who are willing to increase the open space so there's a correlation there and also six of the eight items were more often supported by self described liberal so to the extent that you know the stereotype of liberals always want to you know things to cost more want to pay more money well six of the eight items from liberals statistically more likely to say yes it's been like to spend an extra hundred then we put this in just in case it went down to get an idea of what people didn't like and so we got forty nine responses of people who said they didn't vote for and so we said in she words can you tell us why you didn't support it they could be in the computer would make it larger question here's a demographic breakdown of those who said insulate so was eighty percent overall said insulate you quite different interesting bottom line fifty percent among the self identified conservatives eighty five percent among the liberals here just open space conservation and the middle progress a comprehensive plan for the center and here we have the similar questions here now the resource with open space he teen he been addressing for the don't know you spend more money permanently preserving more open pretty much right in the middle tide with affordable housing rises of climate change  years and you can see here we changed it to two fifty and we talk would continue doing it that way but later decided to go but doesn't surprise me statewide that we wouldn't be memory said another survey done a couple of years ago had different figures almost reversed but that was really pushed for one group and i think this is more representative ok so the about right doesn't change much but pretty big difference between males and females about too quickly and big difference between homeowners and renters and there's one more that in big demographic differences here's the overall and here's the age goes up with age and here's one of the surprising ones conservatives compared to liberals conservatives are more likely and it's not it's only significant at that point zero nine and i have qualms about even including something at the point zero nine level but i think it does represent something the conservatives who are the largest group that thought that the city was growing too quickly yes by little by little bit by little bit and they moved here because they felt where they were living was too crowded so they naturally don't want many more people here but their self identify as conservative well i know that that's what surprises me  conservative means conservation to keep to not change things and so you kind of understand the motives the real root root of it but another way of looking at this it just went back is that seventy percent say either too slowly or about right it's at thirty one percent or around to different it's one of the things that i fix that i run to different this is the one that shocks me because they have there is the highest voter turnout is probably lower really now look at the differences but they are you familiar with the southeast quad ok overall yes homeowners more likely than renters it's not come out one hundred percent and so we also see that the older they are the more likely it is they'll know in the longer they live here the more likely that they'll know process as it may seem there are plenty of ok so if they knew there was that fifty eight percent then this is the question we asked ok so if they said they did not like the way the south is quite was evolving we said what is it you don't like fifty or seventy eight made reference to too many houses to much growth too much sprawl lots of space twenty two refer sort of planning issue design problems clustering to and so forth and here's a word cloud from those eighty seventy six responses he's the longest question i know you'll be interested in yeah it said twenty three twenty five or thirty five twenty five or thirty or something but the interesting thing is the other thing said one hundred dollars and you got a little different response than you do one on this one which is and maybe it's the word adding to your you know a penny to the tax rate that scares people but they're more willing to spend the hundred dollars yeah citizen participation you know it's obvious from the attendance here tonight that about twenty five percent of the city come to these meetings but the figure was thirty percent when we asked the same question two years ago homeowners more likely to come older people more likely to you'll see in the article that will appear on thursday my analysis of why this is true people like to say yes to things that they're they think they're supposed to be doing but go to the library and go to meetings and people exaggerate a little bit so have you visited a park not huge differences but the middle years are most common and if you said you visited a park what did you do you know and organize the people who chose nature walk more likely to be the most highly educated and not born playground certain age group of course walk your dog a little higher for men than women and kennedy and who is hearing the reports from the dog park committee and kennedy young because they're going somewhere to women more likely than men with education so that people from orchard come up to the library in the highest numbers in the southeast corner and age it to goes up with age demographic age the middle years in by precinct look at this huge mansion the southeast corner in to order the self growing ten city council meeting monday february fourth twenty nineteen and will continue with the agenda item a live in which our ordinance  after this will be about six left and the two that are kind of in a pretty first reading mode are by far the largest and most substantive of all of them i think mentioned in the i think this honestly was probably the ordinance that kicked off the entire project just because of how complicated it's been so i guess that the first one is a actionable one for the council tonight that's the  repeal of the emergency management ordinance that's one that was passed originally back in one thousand nine hundred five and state statute was heavily amended in two thousand and five two thousand  six and then largely supersede so after conversations with both our fire chief and our police chief the recommendation has been and is to repeal this and rely on state statute moving forward  other than that it's kind of a here's here's a look at what where we're thinking for parking and motor vehicles it when you go through and read you'll see that particularly the motor vehicle ordinance is going to rely heavily on resolutions by council which is a different process than the ordinance amendment and should make it a little bit more streamlined as far as and more accessible i think as well so so with that mind if you have comments on those two let us know it's just so you have it in front of you now and the other one recommendation is to warrant a hearing for march eighteenth as you've done with the e arlier ordinance tonight for seven pm for a secular second reading the warning is for the repeal of the emergency management correct ok then marty eighteenth and we also have a the second reading of the per that or the first reading of the parking ordinance and motor vehicle traffic that would our primary enforcement agency at this at this point is the police department so i assume that that will be a question for chief burke to determine how he wants to manage that largely enforcement issue you know we have this kind of graduated process to try and eliminate the scofflaw violators the ones that are continually in front of the police department so so i think that's the that's the idea behind it's also consistent with how we are we've managed all the other ordinances have been in the sort of graduated way first offense second offense third offense i think there's also you know waiver and kind of a diversion method his way as well and yeah i think a lot largely be on the discretion of the chief i think how he wants to wants to use the enforcement of this and as our city center becomes you know  real a real downtown i think it will become pretty pretty important any other questions or thought well i guess what we need then is a motion to set me feb nineteenth as the first reading of the proposed parking ordinance and the proposed motor vehicle in traffic ordinance and march eighteenth as these second reading of the emergency management ordinance at seven pm at seven or do we say seventh motor vehicle current draft it just doesn't seem to form or conform the same format that jim had been doing for so long with the purpose of authority general definitions is that intentionally because of the nature motor vehicle violations i just i love how consistent all the other band and i'm wondering what part from that framework that we found on all of the revised ordinances but yeah that's a good question and i think i'm not entirely certain what changes amanda made from kind of an things but if there's no possible way for someone to park on grass and city center right i mean we've had these conversations before grass on grass that there are specially when we have the parking ban over the winter months right that people park on their lawns right i know that pat and i would have a discussion about that and i'm just trying to remember those maps i would hope that where there could be some lawn i can't say that there wouldn't be most of it is multifamily though and even the townhouses i think are not detached for the most part that they're going to they're going to have a party i mean maybe not enough if you have three cars these these homes do have hurricane we have you know we have driveways but still people were right when you have residences that don't have curbs in their driveway right where you can just roll into the grandest i mean that's a different  and then the rest of it in the back although it's all plantings so you'd have to mow down ambush to get your code would require to build up onto the street there would be limited all right if there's no more discussion i would be ready for the vote all in favor by saying i have the post all right should i move to repealed the emergency management ordinance no we're having a second hearing a good hearing to in order to do that that would be an emotion with regard to that yes i did well when i read out was to have a second hearing on the emergency management ordinance is there mark eighteen look you know trends over time i think it would be an interesting exercise now i realize that our budgeting kind of format changed and two thousand and eleven  but i think from two thousand and eleven to two thousand and eighteen it would be interesting to see kind of the breakdown of where our revenues and our cost drivers are in the presentation that would come before the  we're going to go to probably up to a peak right right but also you know city center or definitely our public safety and our public works but you know what you know in the questions  my come forward with regard to the budget we have some new line items now we have dog parks we have the mental health initiative we have you know money is going to new initiatives for regional dispatch all these things i think would be interesting to see