we have a really busy agenda this evening we have an executive session that we're going to really go into after community announcements they will have questions from town residents subsequent to that college eyes folks action by consent discussion from the businesses in belmont center parking yes for june will do so we're going to vote on that yeah ok right so we have three community announcements on january january right june sevent thousand and sixteen at the beach treats center at six thirty p m will have the police and fire department awards ceremony will be held so those who do can attend please do so  on june fourteenth at seven thirty p m there will be help planned belmont's housing future at the beach street center all belmont residents are welcome to it was well attended at both times and a lot of interesting from residents discussing you know things that we can do in belmont to become a more age from the community and i walked away learning some things gentlemen and so what i suggested to nava is that when she presents the results of that form to the council on aging the book she and members of the council e g attend a board meeting to talk about things  of course ok i have a few of my own ok number one i'd like to say i thought last saturday was a wonderful town day oh that's right very well attended and i know the kids had a lot of fun like my kids certainly did i even saw a few other selectman and in town administrator wandering through belmont center during town day second i wanted to say for those of you who are interested in getting more information on our warrant articles league night league of women voters has an event tomorrow night at seven at the beach st center where warrick comedians start and i believe it's seven am i correct on  her agenda we just came out of executive session and are going through the agenda before there any questions from town residence other than what's on the agenda for this evening casey in one discussion or  we submitted it to the state for approval and then they came back with recommendations to our policy so that basically there was more of a notification process to the applicant  if the history cook or history check came back with some issues or gave them a chance to appeal gave them a notification process and that was contained in your packet as the highlighted the red lines is just this is state mandated changes that we use this is from the department of and the state had some changes they wanted made at the biggest change is that they want to buy the seat d c just one of the clear that there is a way for people to address the accuracy of the criminal history that we get any possible in accuracies in a criminal record before the license is denied and that was the big change here the dresser with with we tell them their forms we give them to tell them which agency they can go and dress the accuracy with or they can also tell us they can make they can make suggestions us about whether or not this is they were probably identified or there's some minor thing that maybe you can check on ourselves but for the most part they would be it would be the applican appeal to the people would be from it if we deny a license of the town denies license i imagine it would be to a superior court on the administrative early yes from from action by this town the previous policy was run by legal counsel be able to a little interest i think there are to frankly expansions of the policy in terms of process so we can do that but i think captain is an attorney by the way you know i know he has and he's very smart so requirements of the state had this adds procedure on procedure for people to be able to do what they need to have is not ok i mean i think just to be what i would suggest joan and most of the other question is that we approve the change of subject to time counsel review and sign off yet there is one with all due respect chapiter i know that of course no one can but this is important because these are great we're going to be denying licenses based on the procedures that we you know policies for certain business license amendments as proposed by computer her subject to town council review and sign off i s council different parishes in the area and places of faith and they raised money to do the first ever gun buyback in the town of and it was very successful and they took in sixty two firearms  that day and so yeah it was surprising you know when you when you when you think of gun buyback you tend to think of you know places that have high crime and things like that but you know belmont people do have guns in belmont and it  a nice opportunity for people who might have been the house and not know what to do with them whether they sell them or whatever and they turn the men tend in other communities have done it so this year we're calling it a regional gun buyback which we're doing with alex in cambridge summerville in watertown asked you receive gift cards for twenty five to one hundred dollars depending on the firearm that's turned in and the firearms are then taken inventory by us taken by the state police and their destroyed and we also have a number members theaters from hillcrest neighborhood we have two community development centers there's glen and we have the hillcrest neighborhood payment plan and it seems that to be that they a asked members of the community path inculcation advisor committee chair vice chair and others that want to join us as we debate deliberate on the interviews that we conducted this past week just to let everyone know i said this earlier and russell i'm going to essentially got copies of the proposals we individually reviewed those proposals and rank them according to the criteria set forth in the we arrived at those rankings sort of them to make sure that our assumptions were correct and everything else that went into those at the conclusion of that meeting we voted individually re ranked those four short listed firms again based on the criteria set forth in the but in light of what we had learned during those interviews and also during a reference check process that occurred differently than those individual ranking member of the committee were aggregated to form a sort of initial consensus raking we had a convene again we wanted to make sure that our initial recommendation to you stood we discussed any anything that may have changed as a result of our of our interviews of the two finalists as a result of that meeting the committee voted unanimously to recommend this body that the town retain power corporation  perform the feasibility study i think we were uniformly impressed with really the quality of their proposal the responsiveness of their proposal to  both interviewers and really felt that they were the best for him for the job we did know that pars principal in charge one one member of their project team was unable to vanessa hung in ruslan inc and so i agree i think both proposals were robust comprehensive i thought both presentations were tremendous i mean when i heard the h p i was ready to go with them and then i heard part i sorry to go with them so gentlemen i mean i think from my point of view i think this is a really i walked away thinking about post presentations i hadn't really made a decision that by that wednesday but i thought long and hard about the presentations in for me i think in this close call because that there'd be a very qualified they've done a lot of think six out of the thirteen i think they identify six out of the thirteen current real trail projects or is that correct which are an exact number but i will say that involved a number of them they both have great experience i did some independent checking myself with folks that have been involved in this area close friends of mine to both of what firms you are terrific so it's a close call but i think what has two things one is of course the recommendation of all of you have spent dozens and dozens of hours on this in terms of choosing par i think amy archer to me had a little bit more experience with this kind of work and the ones who really drive this within the community have interactions with all of you in all of their communications are going to have external communications with stakeholders interviews and all of the things and i thought that the sort you have the skill set to be able to do that you know  you can yes number one i do want to thank the community past implementation advisory committee for their hard work on this and for vetting each of the six applicants to perform the feasibility doubt you know they're very good and experienced firm in our backyard but i did agree with you that after hearing both presentations and thinking about it you know over the weekend  think your recommendation with par is respectable and commendable and i am willing to go with that recommendation is to two things i wanted to mention one was in i understand that acoustics or for consideration and in the feasibility study can you say something about that for us yeah i mean i think i think in general the the idea  great deal and and want to be included in the study i think harsh proposal in particular at least to us indicated that they were prepared to to do that so yes i think that will and should be a part of so she should be confident that that will get full consideration and then mr chairman i'm i'm curious about  decision to be made is that something that we voted on we do have no sense of price for either from this is just based on qualifications but we are selecting the most qualified firm with which then will allow us to go into the process of opening the price proposal and start this has been a very strong interest within the town in i think we're at a point he said this on wednesday both using and when same we've never been closer now we're coining a consultant that means to watch this project finally after whatever number of years you know there's been a lot of frustration around this but i think hopefully the community understands that we're doing our best to move this forward and again this is going to involve a lot of your time and it's in both par and  explain how public a prostitute going to be how it's they're going to do i forget what they call that site walks i said you have five hundred people working with you for god's sakes so we're going to tell you about that we do it on saturday is that when the trains to meet with all of the everybody all of the stakeholders a mixture in that we move this process forward in you know in a timeline that makes sense as well so pretty excited about the fact that we are going to be moving forward and i again want to commend all of the work that you all have done and will do for us if anyone have any comments from the audience or questions ok so i'm supporting part i mean do i have emotion i mean it seems to me that you are as well as baghdad the press is or me i'm so i have a motion to  fence others thank you great work really terrific work glen i think we can move quickly through  road belmont's tree project this request is for for them to begin working on monday june thirtieth in the paving portion of the operation would by their schedule begin on june thirteenth and on saturday june eighteenth so essentially that week there is a pavement marking operation as well that they also want to do at night and obviously both of these operations because of traffic and parking they they want to be able to have access to the full roadway the the paper marking operation they expect is going to last for two or three weeks the thing about the paper marking operation and that this board has already approved them to work nights to do pavement marking that operation is a rolling operation and it doesn't stay focused in front of one particular property for any given length of time they do the marco they painted as they're moving along and really there's probably a window of in half an hour or so where a resident or a property may be impacted before the operation has moved on  e this is the the final part of this project i say with a big grin on my face so it will be complete as i would have i would imagine that it would be substantial completion there's probably some punch list items they still need to left of work you need to do before they pave but they're getting there and all the sidewalks you know they're getting there's still some sidewalk they have to replace as a result of the issues with that at the winter with the wind you refuse to years ago but by a large they're knocking that stuff out and they'll be in good shape come come june july and they're going to take they will eventually take all of their signs down the goal is that there would be no evidence that there was ever a construction project there other than the end result so yes yeah yeah all that when the project is complete all of that stuff will be removed just one one other quick note mr chair there were a set of conditions that we sort of developed over the last couple of years when these requests have come in the intent would be for them to continue to follow that that same protocol i have attached a sample of any nine one one message that we would put out through the police department to let people who about the property kno correct and then addition right through to that nature right in addition to enforcing these conditions they're also available to assist property owners who may have access issues or traffic issues that may be ongoing so yes this really puts them in  jim you want to do the next one contract that the board approves this is the the local road construction that we do out of the office of community development we had to bettors this time around i e age perkins construction and newport construction e h perkins was the low bidder with a work i'll just give you briefly the the road item is one million eight hundred fifty seven thousand one hundred twenty nine and ninety cents the sewer portion is three hundred fifty six thousand one hundred seventy five is unusual to only get two bids going i'll tell you the way it's been running for us the last few times two or three seems to be what we've been drawing and as each person someone we've worked with before absolutely this would be their it is estimated by stan tech who is our storm drain consultant so we actually have two sections of a contract that we put out to bid combine the totals together as you can see in both cases the s the engineers estimates by the consultants were much higher than what the b price many of these roads required water main replacement work and or national grid gas main work a lot of the water and gas has been completed and so these roads are really free and clear and ready for persons once they want to begin my guess mark would be that they would probably get into these roads in earnest probably within a month or so maybe since we want to have the pleasure of reading the roads hopefully some of the folks that are here tonight stero say i don't know ok so the roads are included in this contract ah clifton street from beatrice circle to prospect street bartlett avenue from white street to harriet have winslow road from hammond road to free road paul free road from gilbert road to common street paysan terrace which runs from pace and road east to west glendale road from common street to orchard street cushing avenue from pine street to pace and r shop road from school street to washington street marion road belmont street to grow st albert avenue from lake street to brighton st simmons avenue from scott road to brighton street middle caught street from rows on the web then we'll be posting these roads on our website yes sam if i had to guess i'm going to say somewhere in the neighborhood of maybe one point five miles to one point seven would be my guess  system for people to be informed my intention is to launch that new system with this ect ect f y sixteen contract if i don't get it up this week it'll be on the tuesday following the morial day weekend wonderful site emotion and second on favor to frame exactly what the memo says or george can i think george can get the detail but i think that based upon the direction of the board and the request from the neighbors to make sure that we had to take a look at all the issues with regard to making private ways public ways and what some of the issues that the tile would have to deal with this part of that process we did some research with other towns that have  adopted policies with regard to accepting private ways as public ways and clearly the presentation was done a month and a half ago show the condition and show the number of streets that are in the conversation about making them again i'm repaved and i think glenn's here to talk about trying if if we move forward by making the standard political in terms of the town standard for streets like anything else that happens in miscible government nothing is as simple as one would hope and clearly george town council has outlined some of the litigation issues that the town needs to be aware of and some of the process that would need to be undertaken in order for a process to move forward with the neighbors and the town in a way that protects the town and then allows a process to move forward about how it gets done and whether a betterment process makes sense or whether a project gets done that's funded privately by the neighbors that then allows these streets to be accepted or always be considered by tommy for acceptance by the george can explain some of and basically has decided that the alternative method which he can explain probably is not an acceptable loss for the church but just i think you want to say as well that you know i i'm trying to find a way forward because i think it's a public safety issue i think anyone that with that but i think emerge here because i think one of the comments that was made at the presentation is that i don't think we've done time studies on this that clearly there's of the lay and an ambulance or or police vehicle that had to get to the house or residence on in the gilchrist neighborhood there was a way that's a concern because sometimes you know able to come into a house can be a matter of minutes retrieval you know life or death and so from my point of view us yeah i think if if i had one set of statutes if i had a could make a wish to the legislature to throw them all out and start all over again it would be the statutes pertaining to the creation of public ways but we're stuck with what we have acceptance of new streets goes through this subdivision and but any of it that's not what we're dealing with here so if the town were to accept these streets any street as a public way  the process is laid out in chapter eighty two sections twenty one ish to twenty four the initial authority to do that it lies with the board of selectmen and and the board of selectmen votes to lay out the way which and twenty first century terms means to sign a plan establishing the the road layout and then that goes to the town meeting for an up or down vote and the the town meeting must approve the layout or it's not your already live by a majority vote and section twenty four of chapter eighty two says that within one hundred twenty days of the town meeting  if the town needs to acquire any rights to maintain a public way which usually just means that an easement public easement that it must record that at the registry of deeds within that one hundred twenty day period or the  establishment of the roadway is not as a public way is not effective so these are the two things that have to happen after the board votes to lay out the way ordinarily and certainly in these subdivision contacts which with which i am most familiar that the developer would deed over the rights to the road often either either alternatively or in combination with that the board would also record an order of taking just to clear up any stray title issues with regard to the to that the public easement that also has to be authorized by the town meeting and if you're using an eminent domain that has to be by a two thirds  and and you have to appropriate any money that's necessary to pay any damages on a account of the taking if you are going to  actually combine into this process the plan to carry out public improvements if you or if you plan to borrow money or appropriate money to to fix the roads and you want to  have the residents of the abiders bear the cost of that in whole or in part that also has to be included both in the town meeting and in the order of taking and as as i think we  investigated there is a bit of a history so that well i should back up a little bit so when it's one usually when the when a town assesses betterments it does it by borrowing and then it determines what percentage of that borrowing costs will be borne by the betterment so and then that's assessed either about a linear front foot basis or on a unit cost basis to the property owners and it gets added to the tax bill over the life of the loan which is usually twenty years your time frame between now and in the town meeting voting well there is there's a requirement that they plan that the board assigned be on file with the turn time clerks office a minimum of one week before the town meeting there's no maximum time ok and then tell me about so is it majority or two thirds because it's an imminent well we're trying to combine a lot of things into one vote here so the part of it under chapter eighty two that's just to accept the street is a majority vote but if way so in fact we need to do it right well if you're going to record an order taking yes but one of the i mean well i mean in some context you could have a landowner who like to subdividing piece of property who has good title to the layout of the way you could accept that deed by a simple majority but in this kind of setting you know you've got many many different landowners you've got a hugely complicated title situation the only way to really ensure that you have clear title of this is take it right so there would be two thirds vote so you know you're only going to tell me once you try to do this all it's a it makes it a big complicated vote but you try to do it and then if you go to the betterment route then you have to understand what the you figure out what the principal and interest cost of that is and and and this board can decide you know what percentage the town will bear and what percentage the well it's part of the town meeting vote authorizing the borrowing that even the terminal where the money is going to come from and and if you look in the kind of history of the way both this town and other towns have worked they used to have policies that would say when we do this the town will pick up x percent you know twenty thirty forty percent the reality is a sense prop two and a half was  where there's no clear answer this is from said it's all of this that there is generally not a source of money for the town to pick up the other course of action is that the residents could decide to do this privately right and then petition the town to accept them as roads  but they may not get that would that still be a two thirds vote of tom well again as we've discussed here that in order of taking seems like even if it's a friendly taking even if everybody's in agreement with the taking we would still some sort of concern is the litigation issue right george pressure so any time the town any government agency exercises the power of eminent domain anybody who is on dissatisfied by the amount of the award that they've been given for their property has a two year period to file a lawsuit in a superior court and ask for a jury to determine the damages to your temperament to your timeframe f of a complaint yes from the date the order of taking is recorded at the registry they've got two years to go with his record in hundred twenty days at the time the write in with you recommended to us is that north avoid this risk which is real because we've experienced that recommending that we get one hundred percent of the but is would need to sign waivers i thought would be that would be my recommendation i mean if that's not possible there are perhaps needing to even want to but or could sue us and we end up paying more than based on their diminishment of value now that this become a public way right so what what i'm assuming to be the case here without having done the title research is that these private ways are on to the center line by the abiders and so you'd be taking the fee interest in you know half the street from each property owner the half of the street that's in front of  they would be entitle not only to the fair market value of that land which is probably zero considering that it's the street but also to argue that the remainder of their property has been diminished in value by some  because they were privately whatever the right mean and i you know my own view of that is that that's probably a pretty weak argument but as we've experienced if somebody gets an a and you know expert appraiser to offer an opinion that there was path forward other than you know asking the residents to go out and get signed off by a hundred percent of the about us on every road right as a challenge they've done a great work in getting with where they are in terms of the percentage that agreed to to do this we have talked about it alternative procedure we would file a preliminary and i'm not interested to marry taking and then sort of wait it out to see who really eminent domain by judicial proceeding s and then under the normal process went once you record that order of taking you out the town owns it that that's like a deed transfer has occurred it's not rescind the bill and then this just a question of how much the owner is entitle to receive for that transaction under this alternative procedure you file a complaint against in this case a lot of people indicating your intention to take it people have thirty days to then file a claim say if they're dissatisfied with the amount there's a two step process first there's a group of there's a basically a panel appointed to the term and value and if the if  landowner doesn't like that they can take it to a jury the they have there you did you have all of this plus of this is of course that the statute allows the town at any point to simply abandon the process and walk away from it the negative and probably one of the reasons that it seems to be used almost never is that if any point the town will be ans the process and walks away from that it has to pay any loss to any land owner from having participated in some use of fifty years ago that there's a one thousand nine hundred sixty six case from the handed right which but even we have been in once we get one or two claims you're saying whatever little whatever cost they may have occurred from a legal perspective we have to reimburse them right i mean because someone could say they spent five thousand dollars just preparing an answer by that we're going to have them knowing we're in the you know they're just a way to understand whether there would be opposition rather than have you asking the residents to go out and sort of canvass the neighborhoods and get hundred percent signed i think this process is probably more suitable to a single very high  roads as public roads with this litigation risk that's out there you know we have produced the obligation to the town to for the funds and i think in an eminent taking as george has told us many times the dollars could be significant own half way to the street in diminishing the property value and we end up having to pay something without question in you know we had arabic a swan where it wasn't a row we paid something on a completely frivolous claim i david we have truck we're trying to get the whole complex done all at one time that doesn't appear that that's going to be as a car is a skill we're doing that right correct so doesn't this plan be feasible at this point in time so maybe we're going to have to read  neighborhood get together and try to get erode done or sections of roads you know i didn't realize i never gave a thought that a possibility would be to i live in the middle maybe half alon when we met with all the neighbors it was not a front it was by the whole slot you know so it was not square footage because the people in the corner correlates with pay a lot more so with that dead in the water we've got to go back to the drawing board but i haven't heard anything from the town as to what if any cost would be is so i would support cost was one of my issues was again that support question is a policy question for you gentlemen will have to come up i mean we explained the last time why we're in the situation not just from the developer but from utilities in the town taking up the road not issue the second thing was the one of the issues that we're going to have that we try to do privately we're going to need to lend support we're not bitters we're not engineers who want to build the roads in the corners with town standards we're going to need help with some road to the constructor right now they're private ways and in five ten fifteen years they might be in front of you because one of the people doesn't want to do something there's too many gray areas with the law and i think every road that's constructed should be public you know it's it's plowed it's patched it should be public there's no reason a road should be private you can't limit anyone from going across it there was this past weekend we had belmont hill who had their little bike path  through our neighborhood the private wis i don't want to fight through my neighborhood is this only potholes it's dangerous they bike all around the neighborhood i don't know if one crashes and can sue someone says the town to us it's in front of my house this is too many great areas with a private place and we're looking for help on correcting in order to entice someone to fix it i think that a i'm at least and i think one of the things we talked about is the really a lease there and we consider additional funds here here's the benefit though if we can get it to a public road it's now on our it's part of a pivot national plans you know it will continue to be also going to say i mean there's going to be some legal costs involved here like title abstract two hundred properties that's easy got to be a thirty forty thousand dollar legal fate well you're not going to get two hundred unsuspicious excuse me you're not going to get two hundred pop properties all at once i mean right now with the with the way that yes go back of the room yet because because you know we'd have to get the record owner the owner at the registry of deeds to sign that waiver so i'm saying that there's going to be other soft costs involved that i think the town can certainly so i guess one of my question the second one as far as board policy what is the board's policy on accepting private roads of the fully reconstructed as public ways what would what would you recommend to town meeting that's i think ok then it makes sense that they fall under our pavement management plan i would recommend certainly the town that you know the roads becoming public at that point and i think the town would be the best party to deal with their some way not participate in that right and then you're faced with then presenting them to us and then town meeting to accept them as public ways in which two hundred percent sign off and one issue here is just to separate the question of the expense of repaving the road from the right to compensation from the easement i suspect that quite a few of the people have raised objections objective of contributing to the cost of and then do it now a betterment allocation to the properties affected and then it comes down to a question of what the value of the betterment can that be calculated somehow is there some you do you do it backward you decide you know you decide how much the project cost and then you determine the betterment or do you determine adamant virtually it would tell you what the cost per let's say we do it on the uniform unit method rather than the linear foot method which is a decision just makes you the treasurer would basically determine of all of these property owners who what each person's cost is on each tax bill and what what happens in the real world is if any of these property sell the next bank is going to simply want to pay the betterment off so a lot of these will come in early and you say you have to have the ability of being able to give a payoff number just as a bank it's a number that floyd is not here but you know he's protecting the balance sheet because of the high school there's this kind of of his question to me what sort of going on in my mind here so we talked about the betterment when we first started to discuss this issue we said we could decide on a percentage that we would need agreement on from that what private way when you go through the betterment process the twenty five percent of vote no are still sassed right absolutely so you can almost live for kate if you could say ok the policy of the board is you need seventy five percent of the abiders to agree through a betterment process and to make the road public but we also need one hundred percent and in but separate from that you need a hundred percent implication that makes sense or understand my point you could someone sign a waiver but if they're not agreeing to the bat yeah you're right they wouldn't do that but you could you could go back to segments and be successful so what you're suggesting though therefore is it's one vote it's one hundred percent bottom betterment in also on but the only point though is what you just made up and that's why i thought about this that people may be willing to sign off on their right of the taking but they don't want to pay it so to get them to agree both one hundred percent of the betterment in the taking you might get more i don't know me i'm just thinking that folks don't want to pay so you would say to get to a betterment stage  way we it's done through our community development department and you know we incur x number of dollars of cost whatever might be done to the standards that we want  me the cost of the engineering or i pay you know it's not guaranteed to be but that's the recommendation of the board at this point well that's my point of view i think you should buy it all right if you're going to do it for the whole project where there an aspect to the cost that it's outside of the betterment that i agree in bonding but in terms of the injury cost and other side of cost is that paid for the betterment or does th are too high private to public for taxpaying citizens of this town that one hundred percent of the reconstruction is borne by those who are same residence it now becomes a public we help them for a small amount of money to reconstruct his road to record what our standards mr chair the other thing i think you're on the right track is going maybe can speak for two seconds on clearly isn't economies of scale component here which is getting a contract to do a small road is not as advantageous of having several rounds to be done by a contractor so that you know the whole process of getting one hundred percent signed off and having a critical mass to go forward whether it's funded privately or whether it goes before the town meeting is another factor because i think you know obviously we have some people  construction business because having a job that is substantial will get the town or the private or although we can layer it into account you know a contract that we award for it seems to me that we could accommodate i understand your point david but we've just awarded a contract each perkins right so part of that would say hey each perkins we need to do six rows up at hillcrest neighborhood or whatever might be three votes meaning that they're doing construction throughout the county would be a separate vendor i mean i think i letterman you're taking the road it's a public way right in the condition it's in now and then you contract to fix it like you contract yeah so so they're here doing other roads a big two or three any segments where you have one hundred percent that's of right now we do not have one of those roads that's completely understood but you haven't you haven't been back to the direct couple of months we've we've been waiting for you i'm not completely settle out you've heard what i've been willing to at least bear we consider it because i think it's a public safety issue i think it's no different than any other road that we do in town can't ignore the fact that they need to be done right and if there's an additional cost would need to bear i might consider that chemical part is going back to the neighbors trying to get his paperwork signed and they were saying to you what's my cost and i i don't have an negotiate with the town to do a third a third a third or we might end up bonding the whole thing and here's the difference in cost what do you think you know i mean you can ask them two questions instead of just making one proposal that's because it'll come in some place between one hundred percent bonding in what you're suggesting but since we really don't have any clear precedent and you know sort of the history dork old information then however is most towns have gotten out of this business a privatized make yeah i wrote probably just doesn't happen all that often it where it where it happens is with new roadways obviously and for newer when i did you know just accepted the subdivision raise but so i i work a lot with subdivision the subdivision process and that whole process is designed to make sure that at the end of the process the developer turns over a road that's ok already built out of it there might be the case because it like you said  say i think it's important to address the the roads i think we can ignore cannot ignore it's not a separate segregated neighborhood you know off off here it's part of our community my daughter travels those roads all the time she has friends to live up there and i always worry about her driving her car there and blowing out a tire limit thirty twelve o'clock at night when driving home in the public safety vehicles so i think we have to move forward with some repayment basically i think dana we've got to approach just know move forward try to get it done is try to get this  could recommend but what might be helpful information is is more information better or better decisions we can make right so as you proceed i'm starting over again with which i'm sorry that if you have to do  percent of the two point one million to redo all these roads if they're not public ways and so it's now if you will the towns well you know don't count will be or whatever cos need to be residents who don't agree to repave on notice that they have to fix the road in front of their house for public safety say i don't know the it's that i think i don't know the answer off the top of my head but i'm glad i'd be glad to follow up on all of the same thing is if someone doesn't want to do it thank you they own that half in front of the house and we have the contract to tear up and baby i know we're proven it but we don't physically own that land in front to the middle of the street in front of the out yeah i don't i don't see that as first taking but if it's private if we're doing it privately we can't take the other citizen i don't know i mean i don't view that as any different from if your front steps were dangerous the town coming in and fixing your front steps i mean it's still coming on to private property and making it private property do it it's their private property so property owners mailed an easement the school the scope of those easement rights may include your right to to repay but the town is not an easement holder a town call that they hold needs because they traverse the road every day yeah and that's a question of the title but what often happens in these subdivisions is you buy your lot together with the right to use the roads in these subdivisions in common with others in title they are doing and that includes the right to make any improvement necessary for you to safely use the way so a group of citizens could move with a group of the owners could repave it the problem is under current law there doesn't appear to be a mechanism to compel everybody pay their fair share ok and that's what they're want to do this yes my suggestion would be if there's thirty percent of people that they have not responded i think it was done during winter when there are a lot of snow birds away that number me go down quite a bit and i'm willing to to communicate to go into communication open in terms of those efforts and if there's some breakthrough will schedule it's a good schedule meeting after meeting with you again and you can report back that al got it hundred percent signed off because he said that and i don't know whether bob you're here for the you know tommy worn articles or i think it's running late so if you want well what may be helpful bob at least on your side it would you mind just since we're here we're on camera you know i want you to i would like for you to if you don't if you're here if you don't mind waiting until after this to present to us the point of view on your citizens should know we mean our vote on it we may and then we can do the others and see what we get do you mind if we say we're down to ten about it i'll have a seventy in flight he had at four thirty so i just want to be out here i thought this important business i'm not trying to diminish it i'm just suggesting that th and then we can certainly go through these some of these we've been through already article six oracle eight oracle nine and yet i think are never the next we already voted on it so there are five  amendments on articles yes take a week i believe the planning board is deliberating about we're not going to vote on that by the better part of twelve article fifteen well so sixteen for that position is simply to transfer who that the time would go to transfer a one point one million dollars from the in reserve fund balance or free clash into the general stabilization fund this article really stems from last year's override when basically the time committed to that if the override passed that the money would be used carefully that it would be preserved as long as possible and when and with the hope that could extend the impact of the override over as many years as possible toward that end i'm i believe the board to board proposed in tommy voted to place one point six seven four million dollars of override money as it came in during f y sixteen into the general stabilization fund so the board essentially designated that fund as being the repository for this kind of money the idea being that while that money was not ne it would surely be needed in some future year not too far distant future there's enough for john when expenditures would exceed expected revenues at the same time i believe that the board and we all made a commitment that it should be financial position the fiscal position in belmont be better than was being forecasted in any of the fears that we looked at it at that additional revenues two and see whether if it wasn't immediately needed could that also be placed in in a fund once again and the impact of the fact the financial position the financial results were far better than had been forecast we have about two point four million dollars more in revenue at the end of fifteen about one point three million dollars a month one point four million dollars in turn backs and budgetary terms like leading to budget surpluses overall both three point eight million dollars write us by fifteen three that of course is the primary contributor to the seven point six million dollars free cash for this year  the purpose of the petition was basically to place as much of that funding as possible into the general stabilization fund so they could you could support future budgets now there were other demands on this money very legitimate demands a part of me one point just over one point seven million is going to go into the air force you're asking coming to appropriate into the f y seventeen budget three hundred sixteen thousand i think is will go into the open stabilization fund and probably most most importantly and unexpectedly from a year ago one point tune obviously this year essentially if one looks at what what is being used at the free cash which is being proposed for you so that in this article leaves a balance of approximately four point one million dollars  seventeen budget dave is that is the free cash timelines is it retroactive read it with respect of look at the sixteen budget or is it the seventy but takes the certified free cash as of seven one fifty next fiscal sixteen as a percentage of the budget that was adopted for fiscal sixteen so basically it would be it's the budget of one hundred million to ninety three divided by the seven point seven four point one percent would be down to three percent yeah that's that's it but what we're looking for in article one thousand is to appropriate the remaining if you will one point one million dollars into the fund because primarily so that it's as someone said to me i was i was speaking just recently to precinct to a caucus elsewhere in this building basically it's to make it harder to spend if you know if it's a stabilization fund it require a two thirds vote maybe on meeting the default would be certainly to help it fun future future budgets as in plan on the other hand in the general stabilization fund it's available for any purpose the term meeting feels is important to make sure it's an emergency appropriation do not bring your capital i don't think there's anything there's certainly nothing in my article i don't think there's anything in the general stabilization fund that limits i'm really doesn't have a shred of the general stabilization fund can be used for any purpose and in time meaning to the words appropriate how many can appropriate anything at once for what purposes from the general yes now now even even if we needed say the schools needed money for special education you could even appropriate from the general stabilisation to cover unforseen special education costs as well  has i would imagine would have the same guideline then as any stabilization fund in the sense that you know the a former fed the fed fund is drawn down in the year after take it was needed because it was because of budget overruns are no there now clearly have you some some support for the need i think the one in disney would have to be pretty clearly defined in and again two thirds of tommy would need to approve in a sense i'm following the board's lead in putting the one point the one point seven four could conceivably have been allowed to fall into free cash instead it was appropriated i think it was appropriated it fun for the precise purpose of using it for a later later funding this would be the same kind of money it would go in there to the default purpose if you will would be to go to support the budget development process in some subsequent year and that might be a soon as f y nineteen  free cash publishing the warrant committee the pension fund or pension committee in the opec committee which is operating now and then also we agreed to do the production model now well that's part of  e we have a model that has three years of static information five years of financial taskforce projections and then a stay going forward and i understand there's a disagreement about using steady state but i don't think you can really make a decision on this when this use of funds unless you have a longer term view and  available as i understand i would like to see the model given to the warrant committee i'd like to see it given to the capital budget committee and the opec committee has it already  and i think that i'm not talking about the report that they've just done what i'm talking about is the model itself so that you know the warrant committee can say ok here's the three years of history projections it's just guessing no i understand but they they don't you know as we've discussed with the accountant the other day it's the it's the cruel model or the balance sheet that that we're managing because the one that the rating agencies use in the one that the state uses is the cash money whereas you know if you want to make if you want to determine financial strategy for the town going forward you need to know with the the position is in terms of accruals because both and so last year at this time  the board yes i was on the board but prior to the election the board provided the financial task force projections yes to who everybody it was really decide whether to do this or not unless you see the longer term picture well i've seen it yeah well i know but not everybody is no one than we but we can we were informed yeah but but but all were really doing is just moving it from one account to another and it can still be used for other purposes all bob's motion does is is it requires additional town meeting deliberation and approval it's just the higher percentage approval so it's you know it's a higher town meeting commitment to appropriate those funds but they're still available for operating for capital for you know particular forecast into the future i have not seen a forecast into the future that says that our budgetary needs are going to decrease or that our revenues will i mean it it's looking at it saying ok operating overwriting with the model which suggests that in that indeed would be the case all this is saying that under any one of those scenarios however optimistic one wants to be a pessimistic one wants to be having the money they're taking money is available right now and and adding a little bit extra insurance that it will be there when it's heated and wait i can even add we can even use the money for all pad i don't think it's restricted i don't think it's well i think you've answered that question of radio in my response to that is why don't we all get on the same basis now the word we have we have a scenario that david has prepared which we agreed to do last year we agreed to have  model i'm not saying that you know that if you run one scenario that that's that's going to be the future what value line says you know in the absence of the knowledge of the future here here's the projection it gives you a certain direction and and bob may be right that this is a good place to you know park whatever percent of the reserve that you want to do so instead of having four percent you have three percent and you put one percent in the  from other uses but i think the question is bigger than that i think i think we all need to look at you know what would things look like going forward in the fund i don't see how that changes what we want to do in our community so i think we've seen the model and i think david has shown that building committee because i when i think of it i think it's important that people have a view of what the financial outlook is what is a high school building i don't even know whether what that committee needed of and i was fine with that but there is a high seen a budget that ever that aligns with actual budget is a informed it's informed by the past in terms of what the future at some point in time that future becomes he and you can project upward in five years and you sort of guess with things make stand and we felt well that the way they were projects is based on you know information that he has from the past and we might have more favorable experience on the revenue side and on the expense side it's always been the case it's flipped the other side as well most of the time so i was in positive we always have turned out to so i think the point that david always makes is that the term backs allow us to continue to restore free cash so that we can continue to use it within our operating budget i mean i would be very happy site as long as it's in the context that there are some assumptions that have been made and that there may be some difference of opinion that's why he's not been unsure about it i mean it's our it's your calculation others m next year or six months from now or change it's an iterator for thing it always changes you always have to be informed about the facts on the ground to change your future model and i think what we can agree to and should is how often is that up which open minded to any points of view that means be in disagreement with sam is right i was asking for something else because i thought it would be more palatable to release the model itself because three years of the da and we have to talk about minuteman in licenses when you want to join us we can state when we say ten fifteen ok that's fine with me i don't want to diminish your but on the june third and june sixth they have they have it when we meet or friday morning yes i think i excepted that and so can we do that david on camera ok and then of that on camera we can and i think be briefed based upon what you need to accomplish we thought it was important that we come before you because the good news is there is the completion of the belmont center project which is in sight which is scheduled to be completed by the end of july early august depending upon the weather conditions in addition to that the former see building is scheduled to be released have foods open in the fall and hopefully other store fronts or other types of activities so we felt it was important to give you  a framework of what we've been working on what we will continue to work worked on as we tried to take the belmont side to project coming to conclusion the macy's building coming on line with the lease one tenant if not more i also want to just point out that as we talk about potential decisions about parking in belmont center that we clearly based upon what is happening at the macy's building and things that we may want to implement that we will have a continued revision of what our program will be and all take several months to finalize it because as new tenants move into macy's that may inform our change our strategies this is especially true for the claflin street lot and then addition to that we're trying to face some of these potential changes then so that it's a transition period rock customers and others as we try to change our procedures and process so i guess just incentives of high level some some sort of operating principles of what we're looking at for parking in belmont  general we're trying to find ways to increase the number and availability of parking spaces for customers to belmont center and again as we said that will become more important as the macy's building becomes fitted out and tenants start to occupy the building i think is part of the belmont center project there is a net increase in the number of parking spaces that have been projected we're also looking at with the installation of our metering stations on leonard street helping to increase their turnover of parking on leonard street which is important and something that we are in the process of implementing we also need to evaluate the time limits for the free parking spaces which are located in the first three rows of the class on st lot not in front of the la catelli property but the first three rows that are free parking currently a two hours and we need to look at maybe adjusting some of the times for the free parking to basically promote in and out parking for quick stops in conjunction with the metering that's going on  leonard street currently those free spaces on the clapham street are for two hours so we meet were in the process of looking at what some adjustments might be in addition to that we've been looking at identifying additional parking spaces to accommodate our business permit holders we sell about sixty business permit it's on a monthly basis to business owners we're trying to see if there are other locations we can maybe fit some of those business permit holders  so that basically we can turn over the right of it and again we're still segregated deep within the well that's the next step is basically to try to make sure that we try to find a way to increase customer parking within the core of the clapham st lot working on increased signage which i know that is in an order that will be installed as shortly we did that before we start the project two years ago with a water main project but we need to put back the signs that have been removed we need to revise the commuter parking program that was instituted last year we allocated some spots of claflin street in front of the lions club clearly we have not gotten the participation despite off our efforts to promote an advertise it i think we have less than a half dozen takers on the commuter parking program so we need to make some adjustments to that we're also looking at increasing in just meant the enforcement activities on leonard street and in the claflin street lot which will be important to make sure that there are space turnovers and that basically we don't have people parking on leonard street late in the afternoon buying up the spots where we're trying to guess i guess the overall we're trying to come up with a holistic approach to trying three spots more and more more available to customers take a look at how we can organize the community park it revise it how we can spread out the business permit holders how we can organize the class one street walk which has about one hundred ninety nine spaces and there are sixty spots in front of the last tele property so what we need to manage and coordinate and  to take the claflin st lot and try to expand it a little bit to at the end of the day to try to make when you come to belmont center have free parking have the core available for customers so that when they come to do shopping that they have a place to park and we need to reorganize the way the lot is done i would also say that on those big or high level things that we've talked about we clearly have started the conversations with the belmont center business community we will have further detail conversations about some of the things that we're thinking about to make sure that they are in the discussion that they will be consulted they will be part of the implementation of changes in terms of what i've described as i said we've had simpler airiness just to get a sense of what they're thinking about but more conversations will take place we attended the meeting with the and we've attended a fair number means with the belmont center business association during this process with the water main replacement in the belmont center reconstruction project one of the things that we were asked to consider and we would suggest to the boy that you know i consideration in recognition of the impact that the construction has had in the belmont center area and our other business districts as well as the impact of the closure of the macy's building that we would tick recommend to the board that they vote to approve a free to our parking holiday in our three main a simple lots and for the month of june i would also point out that that kind of program is a joint effort that we've been able to collaborate with belmont bank with to be able to provide to our parking in the municipal lots within town not just belmont center but waverly and pushing square and i think that would go a long way to demonstrate to the business discussions with savings bank they do support the town's initiative to have a retail parking holiday for the month of june two thousand and sixteen you know savings bank of course is part of the center business association and they're part of the email list and you know they've seen the e mails that we've all been you know ok about  certainly you know as ministration i would recommend that we do offer a retail parking holiday not just for belmont center but for cushing square as well because they've been also impacted by construction of pedal road and the downturn of the economy and the lack of progress on cushing village and also you know waverly is our third square that should should be offered the same accommodation upon hearing that belmont savings bank has volunteered to share and underwriting some of the lost revenues that the town experience in connection with that could just share to the businesses what is that number i think it's being worked out you say sharon underwriting so we don't know what is a loss revenue for the two day for the month of june we know users that use it in a way that when macy's building is operational that basically we have the critical mass of parking that will be available to customers and that's going to take some coordination it's going to take some change in the way we do business to take some reorganization but we just wanted to tell you those are things that we've been working on and we will continue to work with the business community to sort of implement those changes but i think the  overall strategy is to try to make sure that there is available parking in the class of street law that there's a turnover of spaces on later streets through the metering stations and that there's a attempt to try to take the wonderful parking meter plans they wish they were to reflect what's the time period i think we will again i think that we've been meeting with floyd and phyllis and we will have more conversations with the business going to make sure we're fully communicative about what we're party management plan that was developed several years ago and a recognition that if you took take a look at the lodge and you and again we've heard this from the business is that leonard street is the place where we need to generate turnover so people who come to the center have the opportunity to find a vacant spot in the way you do that is through metering and also is our premier spaces for the center and my question more floyd mentioned to me that he's buying going to be beautiful but there has absolutely jim has been a cost that they born because of that and i think this is a way to sort of thank them for that ok we signed you documents thanks for staying so late we really appreciate your time and efforts he sending you home new that the feds are are offering workshops to local officials glenn is scheduled to go to one in june so that we understand what they are thinking what the requirements will be what the game plan needs to be i think it's very early on and i don't think there's a lot of guidance per se about what this will mean of the end of the day for mr pallet ease but i know that glen is anticipated going to a workshop to flush some of those details out and that we will then develop the strategy about what that means for the town and factor that into our overall plan as he did for the mystic river watershed and as we will plan on doing for the charles river watershed but i guess we need to get make sure we understand what this is require us to do and be educated so that we can have a thoughtful gameplay say they also want to say just a couple things real quick the permit was signed in april this year it goes into effect july first two thousand and seventeen ok and k so there is roughly year or so have a plan in place prior to that municipalities to to get their legs under them i expect that a lot of our experiences with the work that we did in the mr gravel watershed will be somewhat similar to what will be required to do this permit but there will certainly be more required above and beyond what we're already accustomed to and so there in lies really what we're what we're trying to discover so that we can figure out a scope and scale of this thing and put a number on it to did the feds son does something to the feds while we got notification what do we got we got notification and there said yeah yeah i think the question about the incinerators site had to do with the funding that we settled that we did but i think i think john we we after tommy we need to understand a path forward to inform us of how we decide property must be used for misplay uses uses for recreational use so i understand ok advice for the public that it's not open season for the site was this was the waverly station the  oh my god all right well i have to get down there in i'm in high school minuteman high school we met this morning with representatives from in lexington carville and the members of that course like when dan matthews two members of the board of select won't get to yes with this building project and we're going to continuing our discussion on monday june twentieth subsequent to the vote that will be taking you know that exclusion vote to be informed by that whether productive discussion but not entirely productive because i don't think we've resolved anything frankly they understood re stood there on the stand who said just differently they know that they can't get a c s on of six hundred twenty years to the facility although leave then what could we support they've asked us to tell them what building project could we support so we may sharpen up pencils what a bit on that any thought you might have on that independent of me share with david or members of the working complicated question us the only thing i would say i'll say is the belmont high school building committee has been meeting monthly and our next meeting is wednesday the twenty fifth may