as though there are more direct past i truly don't believe that people will be disrespectful of the landscape and and the sidewalk so laid out because you you would be suggesting that people that you walk into landscape it across  lawns in and there's a certain water that comes with with some site aspects and we feel as though we've made all the important and direct connections could you argue that it could be straighter lines but for every for every street was a dispute for the adjacent property owner felt that we were not in a legal position to be able to use them when they would be in a position to require us to not use it in which  would have to go back before the board to see going to members of the site plan to close that off that it doesn't have the overall operation of the site if we had to do got you know doesn't change our  all of the land that's now on the parcel this proposed for development there's a portion of the new law that was not granted rights through that instrument so there's a possibility that the current owner could very subtraction i think but the board needs to do is just make sure that you're comfortable that if that objection was very soon if that property owner of the case is not closed up that says to that you were comfortable that the other assets on the site were sufficient in other words if you would approve the project motion of the second all those who favor i did the initial parts of the four step process for that which i don't believe that i need to go through again as we went through that once with the pinnacle already and it's now part of the formal education this is substantially it would of changes in elevation from about five to twenty and drops seventy feet in elevation and about one hundred fifty feet so there's a fair bit of took a graphic relief and a fair bit of that took a graphic really exists right at the back part of the problem here and then it rises back up you're bringing up here the subdivision plan which is in the package here is well this is really just the western side of the site next the far east road that shows that development l just one more time to this plan here which shows on three three bill that will lots and open spaces for the early saturday we need to maintain these fifty percent of the land is open space we're proposing and again back with you for the border region in two thousand and fourteen they asked that we include all well and resource areas within the open space so this open space lot of greater than requires just ten thousand square feet a lot of the average size of these three lots is actually sixty thousand square feet which is one of the half times the zoning we do that the during the prior process is some of the lot sizes here like i said are one and a half times on average with the zone the requirement is the subdivision road as to only six feet of pavement there's a sidewalk or posed on one side  responses and explanations to all the comments that were released in there at the limit of of work on the downgrade inside we do have the roshan intro barrier to make sure that all se in the the limits of the of the construction there is no work within the thirty five foot local oh research area buffer zone as requested required by the conservation commission there is some work within the hundreds of buffer zone however we do not have any of the houses to post in that or the driveways it's really just reading working for the store management system it's in there and we we do  a traffic center for lots the board agreed to that we were now down the three lot so i assume that it's certainly still valid survey for this site it is a fully wooded say we've asked for a waiver from surveying the ten inch diameter larger trees we have surveyed trees twenty four inches and larger than the nation on the plan own also a subdivision requires two six foot wide sidewalks one posts one on each side of the street resting for way of from that just do one five foot wide sidewalk on one side of the street there was this sidewalk is on the side of the stated it comes around and requirements for interior loss if the deems it to be appropriate on this certainly is appropriate that the purpose of this is so that we can provide access back here to see this lot number two he certainly has appropriate access somes driveway there and this also minimizes the length of the subdivision road that we need to be put in there and that's again  so i know we over the couple years we've been working on a vision and possibly a small set of vision standards that i think this is a prime example of one that we could utilize and that's what i would remind you provided that the lane policy that we've been working on on in the section that could possibly utilize the idea would be to reduce the you opened up the public comment is related to the open space the neighborhood has a lot of open space right there right we actually as a homeowners association twenty acres of open space spread throughout the neighborhood so if you want if you walk or drive  through there are several places where it seems like there's a lot there will be a house it's not it's open space right now one of the things about this aspect of the western day is there's open space but to that feel of things being very spread out throughout the neighborhood in addition to the open space that we all know the lots in the neighborhood are very large and tend to be about fifty percent covered by forest and century regulations relating to lanes but we're also looking changes to require cult upsets to have a significant landscape so you know between thirty two and thirty six feet in diameter so that you have the path  i have to believe that this is really pretty much what we are talking about preserving the open space and it was that portion of the law which has its to greatest environmental value not only for the property itself the for the adjacent you know  really reduce the impact of the drive and the house on the back and i don't see how you can get too much further in this all up for all of the things that we talked about throughout this whole process of minimizing the impact on the neighborhood minimizing out house that that's the house that i think most people would identify with the road looks like a driveway and that's the house the driver is leading to so that visually i think that's the  factor because we have too many locks that have these long tails that allow the applicant to obtain a minimum lot size they needed but make no sense to the to their residential property owner and others so i think that's the same thing here so it could be a stipulation of a certain minimum size that you all think is reasonable that's greater than three or six inches i think those are really small i mean ranges very very small that's very