are here today because two little girls are now they love to see their grandparents because of their mothers the gift of modes and while the statue grants substantial power to parents to restrict contact with grandparents her late husband's passing also come we would argue that she had control over the visitation with the grandparents during which she was the reason the grandparents divorce and was separated from the mother the parent or the grandparents time with the grandchildren increased exponentially their relationship with the grandparents increased dramatically  great relationship that blossomed in bloomsbury happier times where there was sure their access to the grandchildren were no longer restricted the mother gave up several reasons for what we're talking about here is two little girls and their release and share with their grandparents so the things that came out in the facts of this case for him will rule on physical harm because there's no evidence of that whatsoever so we're talking about mental or emotional there was response to that is that there's not true there's no there's no reason to give sanctions in this case arm there is a gap in the  undermine the child's relationship with her parent his home that war but the presumption from the grandparent visitation statute that if it parents denial of grandparents visitation is not harmful to the mental physical or emotional so th were upset the court could have for matt with these children are going through something emotionally damaging by the fact that they're not in time with their grandparents and they're not getting to see their father's side of the family one of the things to set this this case for is that not only did the father before the filing but that the grandmother in this case passed away during the course of these proceedings so all connection with their father the children deserve to have that relationship with their father's family so back to the un to mental or emotional harm they were talking about in addition to the p here the trial court ignored or specific pieces of evidence that it should have taken into consideration most importantly the period of time where the divorce was from their father's name any time off from the memories of their father which will be supported by the breakers but it's harmful to the children and that is within the mental or emotional harm part of the the issue here is that the statute doesn't give absolute power to parents as some people might suggest it limits the apparent power in so far as if you can and tool or sanctions for frivolous appeal i don't like to meet i don't get it disturbs me to have to make that argument get me up last night had me come in here and say it but needs to be s my client did not hire me to come here because there's any merit to this appeal my client hired me to come here because she fears and respects the power of this court i heard i just heard i couldn't believe the statement that this case is about knowing who's attention and all case is not about no visitation the grandparents of since then there hasn't been this at least not a record and it's understandable when someone's sues you has your deposition taken brings you in court and it's kind of chilling effect on the christmas i don't call people of the old my grandparents i just don't recall it like it's something that one might do oh what it would take a certain comfort level and whe was a recent change as i'm sure you recall in the us supreme or came down and said that leaving parents on a level playing field with grandparents and just assessing the best interest of children is not enough so the case statute up in the case law that surrounds the issue of what kind of harms you're wired to me showing harmony in the statue is pretty slim  father's family and that harm to the children is something that i can assure you picture it doesn't show up in an x ray but it still real to them it is something that children experience in these types of cases that has a lasting effect that can't be rammed without a court order visitation with the grandparents council state of the children the home of the grandparents that's not true at least during the father it was testified to the father would bring the children over and leave the children with the