he wanted to come up with the no we're where the fees were pretty close to each other and that is really an abuse of discretion i don't think the judge can do that without court certainly is not in a position and shouldn't and doesn't want to and i would be embarrassed to ask it to decide what the final amount should be because we're saying they trial court should exercise is discretion court's three hundred thirty one point five and one hundred ninety five point five miles kyra i have no idea i've tried and i have tried different combinations to figure out where it might have been  judgment in the case well plus the time spent in the interval between the two appeals that doesn't make sense to me i can't make the numbers come out and if that's what the judge ed and frankly i'm trying to recall yes because this thing was a movable feast in terms of gaps between when these declarations were required by the way there was no there's no question but that we filed falls within the scope of the contract we're entitled to our fees and i think we're both entitled to have fees determined by the same rules in my  judge hammer if it's in part what does that mean and how does that comply with the nominal standard that they were only to get hours that were solely related to their client which i think is an impractical standard because of the interplay between market issues and an actress counterclaim and what you have to prove in order to claim damages so you can't you have to make some judgement calls in there which the judge didn't do but anyhow if paper discovery and depositions they claimed all the time they spent on those when obviously one hundred percent not a single dollar deducted meanwhile we took our lex on time that was excluded large amounts to that we took out a lot of time  my call that i did not think was it was official time large amount of money that we took out and then the judge added on to that i think that is proving discretionary that the antitrust issue out of a two hundred page deposition there's two pages if you can even figure that out we get all of that hate us that's just arbitrary and  are not happy to be here third time of course it's a pleasure being here what's here but this and i know it's not an issue that's a burn counter and am i right that international rectifiers the one case that you cite for the proposition that it's error for the district court to fail to provide an explanation even if we should have the contract and forced evenly i don't see a way you can get to a conclusion that the result was fair in light of the time it was spent and the results that were asserts and the district court identifies the hours being cut and where it was cutting i don't think a district court is required to just work to to go so deep into everything is that sort of it goes on a line by line basis it was given voluminous record material from the parties three times that was given the opportunity to give the materials it received objections that were specific on a line by line basis and it agreed objections with respect to some of it and some of it it didn't as a district court said and so i think that the decisions ultimately it's reasonable decision in terms of where the case came down between the parties across all the claims for some claims they prevailed on some analyzed the submissions of the parties it didn't just willy nilly accept something from our my we didn't get everything we asked for either and so the district court here didn't employ some sort of unfair standard a double standard where you are my  everything and that didn't get everything that's not what happened everyone got some stuff and everyone was and stuff if you ever you identified but pages in the joint depend ics where the district judge might you said there was one hundred twenty five thousand on this one hundred something on that but with at least two different rates for attorneys and one for paralegals there's no way to translate your numbers into hours without more information  question is is there something in the six volumes of appendix that shows hours where you can tell how that judge arrived at the starting figures three hundred thirty one point five attorney hours just a started before he started to track these i said i think that would be the attachments to mr martin's declaration and our objections to that were based on the gross dollar amount for the next phase of the case and that was what only do ask the district judge to do it again on the same record are you saying that more information should be provided or that we should do it all of an issue by looking for attachments court it is calculated and so i don't think you need to do it in the first instance i think the district court did it and the district court within a range of we're looking for the defense so the calculations you're saying sixty six paragraph g is dags declaration is where they claimed the amounts and then our objections were a page twenty seventy five to eighty six objecting to those specific amounts and this is for the  expenditures and the district court then did an analysis and gave them a certain amount of money for the appeal and that's that page twenty seven ninety four and so i think that was testimony for example so the discretion is very narrow here the discretion is broad and the district court we've given the materials was given objections and analyzed it and explain its analysis and so i think that is not an abus discretion that should be unsettled i also think that it's it's not fair i think mr martin said that the district or maybe just wanted to get everyone out of there out of his courtroom and i don't think that's fair i don't think the record can support the idea that the judge had or was just trying to get everyone there and the response that there must be some numbers in there that are not really as stark in that i would make because you can't figure out what they are to add them up think there were long gaps and you can see from looking at the docket if anybody was interested between orders most will be under submission a long time to get to an order went through to claim construction