good evening everyone welcome to holland city hall for how many of you is this your first time in city hall all right most of you will fantastic vend of us who don't believe you know it is really great to have you  here in this building the older part of this building was built many many years ago in about fifteen to twenty years ago we added on this piece and just literally within the past year we have done a bunch of technological upgrades including something that is very pertinent to this evening's discussion and that is the lighting system it's much brighter and yet much more energy efficient because we switched over from fluorescents to l e d's my name is kirk dykstra i'm the mayor of holland i am the fellow who in theory convenes this round table every year but let me confess a little bit to you first of all i don't really do a whole lot of the work for it and that is actually done by other people who have really put in a ton of work to make this evening happen and i'd like you after i tell you a little bit about who they are to express your appreciation to them for their efforts first of all and i want to make sure i get the name right because i screwed up last year there we go i got close but not close enough the lake shore youth leadership organization if you all who are members of that organization might wave stand whatever that may be you recognize many of these people they're your counselors by and large in your high schools so we can thank them first of you i will also tell you that this idea of a mayor's youth roundtable is not mine it was my predecessor al mcginn who put this together for the first time primarily because he was especially as a long time high school educator he was especially interested in the views and development of some of the younger members of our society of our community i will tell you though that i think we've improved over the past couple of years we had a great foundation from mayor m were i think doing a better job of it for this reason initially it was designed to let you all from various high schools get together and have interactions with one another communicate with each other and communicate with adults and sort of learn that skill but the topics tended to be good and important topics but one that you'd spend a few hours doing here go home and probably never touch as a group again and maybe it would never touch you again you know think world peace kinds of things mean important topics but you know probably not going to be resolved around a conference room table in some room in city hall in holland michigan what we did a few years ago what we're doing again tonight is taking that concept that same idea of having you communicate with one another learning the processes of how to talk with each other how to dialogue how to communicate with both the youth and adults and instead we're going to be talking about things that have very very real and lasting impacts on all of us in this community and that's we're going to we're going to talking a bit about energy sustainability and some very practical things that are happening in this community forgive me if you've heard me say this before but but i want to say it at every opportunity i can we get a collection of especially high school students together i am  eternally frustrated by the fact that during about eight fifteen in the morning until three thirty in the afternoon we expect you to do things that most of us simply could not do we would not want to have an o or inorganic chemistry cook off here tonight or nor want to have a physics lesson especially not if i'm trying to compete with you because it would be a disaster as far as i'm concerned so we expect you to do calculus and physics and we expect you to know a and british literature all kinds of things and then at about three thirty something crazy happens so many adults treat all of you as if you're children at that point and i think that's ridiculous and the idea is that some you know  someday when you grow up then you'll really be able to provide some insights and leadership in this community but until then just you know go ahead and do whatever it is you did you do in your i phones and we'll call on you when we want you know you to think about becoming bigger and broader members of this community i think that is absurd i think that as you sit here today at six eleven on a monday evening you are as much leaders and as much participants in this community as anyone else who holland their home so put aside the idea that you are youth or that you're just students because in fact you are not only our future leaders in this community but your today's leaders as well so take your stuff seriously tonight because we certainly to have you here this evening one final bit of introduction before i introduce her keynote speaker for the evening and that is we're really thrilled tonight to also have members of the home city council here with us tonight so if members of the council who are with us this evening would stand we'd like to make then one last introduction and that is because we're talking energy and sustainability tonight we're very pleased to have members of the board of public works board of directors here as well i know i saw a few of them earlier so if you're with the b p w board would you mind standing so we can know who you are and make some introduction as well we've got members of the board here fact most of the board fact all the board almost i think that almost we're missing one member of the board and that's it so that's pretty impressive they just got done with the meeting so their night is being extended all right enough chatter from me we have the great privilege tonight to have a bit of an introductory keynote address by the general manager of the holland board of public works and dave sent to me the things he wanted me to say he is the best employee the b p w has ever had and now is its leader and he's really good at that  too no he didn't say that but he is those things he is a very fine general manager of our board of public works the d p w has a budget that approaches one hundred fifty million dollars every year it runs for utilities dave's going to tell you a little bit about that and in particular one of the big projects that are happening that is happening in our community is that the construction of a new power plant or the holland energy park as we call it it's a tremendously exciting and important project for us in this in this community that will i think set us apart continually for decades to come it's been a long process and we have this great great public partnership that exists between the city and the board of public works so you're going to like what he has to say you're going to like him as a person d evening everyone it's great to see all of you i'm extremely proud and honored to be with you tonight you know i've spent a lot of time over my career giving tours of our power generation facility that we're using today and that's the james young power plant is anybody taking a tour of that facility going through their school years at all ok so i may have seen some of you you know in the past at different times and i always get a are a lot of you know it's always a fun time to be able to spend with you when the kids always have great comments and questions and they're always really excited to find out about energy and what we do there and i know tonight that you know we're going to be you know equally thrilled to see you know the kind of things that you bring to the table tonight to give us some ideas as we think about energy into the future and there's a big discussion going on in our community so you're engaging really it at the right time ok it's a wonderful time for free to be talking about this and it's important as you're going to hopefully see by some of the things that i talk about tonight you know why you know now is an important time so you know i know you're all students and we always have to start off with a little bit of  know physics i know the mirror talked about hopefully this is not going to be about physics but the first question that comes up is you know what are the laws of physics say about energy anybody have an idea anything at all that go ahead come while ago that great answer in a closed system energy can neither be korea did nor destroyed however it can be changed from one form to another right so that's the key we have lots of forms of energy that are out there both potential and kinetic energy the fuel that we burn in producing electricity is a chemical energy that's being transformed into heat being transformed into mechanical energy and ultimately generating our power wind is a kinetic energy that's transformed we heat our homes with energy and we transform that to some use on the using and we also use electricity and transform that into light in our homes and other things that we power for our conveniences in our home the trick is not so much that energy is created or destroyed but how do we transform it and how efficiently do we do that ok because really everything's not perfect along the way in the real world for example talk about lighting in your home how much of the electricity that goes into an incandescent light bulb is actually used to make light anybody have an take a guess it's ok this isn't nobody's getting graded tonight so anybody have just thrown a number anybody thirty percent higher or lower than that what do you think lower what's another number about ten percent ok but what happens the other ninety percent ninety percent is actually converted to heat so in an incandescent bulb you're really using all this electricity but the light value getting out of it about ten percent of the electricity is producing that value to you that's about how we use electricity what about producing electricity what's the thermal efficiency of a coal fired coal fired power plant and we have an idea so how much energy you have to put in in terms that chemical energy or the fuel how much electricity comes out that's usable and provides that work for us at the back end anybody have an idea thirty percent very close about thirty three percent that means that sixty seven percent of the energy that's going into that power plant is actually being rejected as heat out the back in and not being put to valuable work now and how and we actually do better than that even today because we take some of that heat that's getting rejected and it goes under the streets and sidewalks downtown and it you it's used to melt the snow in the wintertime so this winter if you've been walking around shopping downtown we're making use of some of that but yet there's a lot of work to earn a lot of improvement potential that's there this gra actually shows that for coal fired power plants that's been pretty consistent over the years you see this line here and see if the this thing will not shine on here but this is the coal fired power plants natural gas is making an improvement in natural gas plant plants are getting up close to forty five percent in this graph the mayor talked about a new power plant that's being built today here in holland just starting to build starting to break ground on that here very shortly that's going to be over fifty percent efficient and then we can still use some of the waste heat to melt the snow on the streets potentially use it for district energy as well where it heats homes or buildings commercial buildings and that could actually improve our efficiency even greater so we're working on that as well but you can see that both in terms of how energy is used and how energy is produced sometimes you're not getting all out of it that you could and there's improvements that could be done why does that matter do you think why is it matters little kind of three items that i think i boil it down to first of all the availability of certain energy sources are finite fossil fuels coal natural gas those are finite fuel sources at some point it's going to be very difficult if not impossible to extract those anymore so it's important to make sure that we preserve and uses wisely as we can you know those resources certain of our energy sources have environmental impacts associated with them we know that burning some fuels sometimes there are various pollutants that come along with that and we work hard to scrub out those pollutants but still there are environmental attributes to burning coal burning natural gas a lot less however you know all of all the fuel sources still have environmental attributes associated with those frankly the last thing it can save you money and i'll show you at the end of particular case an example i think that you could bring home with you tonight so talking about the veil ability of fuel and what's happening with energy this graph i think is staggering now if you can really see that maybe you can at the various sides of the room again we have two t v s here but and if you're looking down here this is shows the our global appetite for fuel ok this shows that really as of late from the one nine hundred fifty s to two thousand we're on a very steep trajectory in terms of our world energy use and it's projected to double again by two thousand and thirty and that's pretty staggering when you look at that now putting it a different way these are all the different these are in all the different countries the world these are a good number of the countries in the world that are i would guess somewhat developed at this point and i say that because if you look at this bar graph this is representing the amount of energy that's used per capita per person in these various countries and the world average is way down here at the side little over seventy million b to use per individual or the united states is way up here over three hundred now a lot of that is because we have developed we have a very developed society we have a high standard of living and there's nothing to be you know nothing to be ashamed of that is just a reality of a lot of the conveniences that have helped us be more productive in everything we do and certainly have increased our standard of living here in the united states but i also want to look at a couple of countries that are down the left because i think this is really important down the left the far left is india in terms of per capita it's one of the lowest that's out there and next to the world just a little slightly above the world is china ok just over seventy million b t u s per person but let me show this a different way what about the total energy used by country not per person but total energy used well now the united states is actually second second highest to china so china is already using more than united states however per person it's one of the lowest so what happens when that economy and the standard of living throughout that country come comes up higher mistretta potential for a lot more energy use in india similarly is sitting here almost there fourth they were the lowest per capita but the population of india and china is so dramatically higher than other areas that the potential for the energy use is so much more in terms of a world energy source can we sustain that long term pretty tough when you think about the finite fuel sources are there so what is the strategy you know to deal with that while here in holland we've already been looking at this not just from a global perspective but also what can we do here and how and to help ensure that we're doing our part to prepare for this future and to make changes here already to deal with that and a couple of years ago how and sustainability committee made a recommendation to city council and the board of public works to commission an energy plan a forty year energy plan where we look at by twenty fifty some broad goals and some strategies on how we might achieve those goals long term ok and those goals senator around making sure that we still work competitive as as a city as a region the city how it has a lot of industry here we have a lot of industry here because we have a lot of hardworking people a lot of talent which hopefully you all will someday go into that talent pool and and find you know a great jobs here in the area if this is where you want to be we hope that but also because we have strong utilities and others other and we value strong work ethic and it business knows that businesses wanted to grow here and we have a very strong business sector we want to remain competitive but we also want to make sure that we're competitive not only competitive but that we're protective of the environment so really the three main arches wide arching goals for broader overarching goals for this plan are to remain competitive in our energy supply be attractive to business and be protective the environment there's a lot of work going on to try to figure out strategies that will help us do that over the next forty years we're trying to use some principles associated with that as well it's called the loading order ok the loading order basically says that the first thing to look at is energy efficiency doesn't make a lot of sense to try to heat a home that leaks tremendously ok that's the first thing to do is tighten things up use less so you're not wasting the energy that's actually produce a tack energy efficiency first then at the power plant side where there's waste heat going out try to recapture that make use of that to protect the fossil fuels long term we want to use renewable energy where that makes sense and then finally try to leverage the energy distribution in ways where you can find synergies between places sometimes you might have one organization that rejects heat as part of its process and another that needs it can we put those two systems together to leverage that ok so these are the overarching principles associated with our energy plan while on the power production side is the mare talked about we are building our new power plant cleared will be starting construction actually over the next month i just heard today that some of the first truck loads twenty six truck loads are going to come in to build the crane that is going to be used there ok so the corinne has a reach of two hundred twenty five feet and can hold six hundred tons ok so it takes twenty six somebody was telling me that that's just a little bit more than taylor swift needs four concerts so i'm not sure exactly the number there but so it's pretty amazing and that'll just get started here it's a two year process to build that plant after it's done we're going to have a world class facility that's also going to have an educational piece see the red spine that's there that spine is actually called the public gallery and we'll be able to have kids such as you or other tour groups come through the facility and be able to use interactive things to participate in learning about energy and learning about that facility as well as seeing into the process at various points and around facilities around the facility will be walking trails and will be demonstrating some of the best management practices in storm water management around the site and giving interactive displays for people to be able to use and to understand more about that as well so we're very excited about what that means over the next couple of years and i hope that you all come back  facility and spend time in it but we're also working on the you side the home energy retrofit program one of the strategies is to try to make our housing stock more energy efficient here how and we just are in the process of a twenty five home pilot we're we've had energy audits done on these homes to figure out what are the measures that could be put in place to save energy and what does that look like from a payback standpoint in the good news is it looks like a number of those residences maybe up to twenty five maybe maybe somewhere in that area will actually fall through doing these upgrades and it looks like the average value of the upgrade is around fourteen thousand dollars but it's going to save almost nine hundred dollars a year on average so again it's a long payback but customers are putting that kind of value into the home and not from an energy standpoint they're going to save just as much as it would cost for the loan that they're going to have to take on for that so in terms of a monthly impact it's about a net it's about a zero impact and so if we can continue that and make our housing stock better and make ourselves more efficient as a community that way that's another value that can be brought in to meet the goals of the plan long term so how are how is energy used in your home well this is a chart that shows the different ways it's used space heating means heating your home is about forty two percent here's some of the appliances at thirty percent what's interesting about the appliances and the refrigeration included in that if you look at the bar graph over on the right you see that not too long ago that number was a lot smaller what are we doing in our homes today that we weren't doing say twenty years ago and we have an idea it's  exactly charging a bunch of devices we've got more computers we've got cell phones we've got set top boxes for our our d v r or our cable t v or satellite all of that is using some energy i'll show you a graph here in just a minute to kind of show you how much so is energy efficiency i gave away is energy efficiency the same as energy conservation no it's not you know some people think energy conservation means doing without well that doesn't necessarily mean sometimes immune it is doing without but sometimes it's for a good reason and we need the light bulb on in the room that you're not in no right you probably heard that several times at home but we can also just be more effective at how we light those rooms that we're in so really that the contrast between the two ok so we don't need to confuse those nobody's asking us to do with out here ok that's really not the long term goal we still want to be as effective as an it as a community as effective as a society as we can be it's a matter of doing as efficiently as possible so we talked about those electronics well here's a graph that shows you know back in  three only roughly twenty three percent of the homes had a computer and they seem crazy to you he think about how many computers we have today and how prevalent that is it's amazing i know that we're not a two hundred percent but we've gone up tremendously on that two plus televisions or has been an increase there everybody's also printing at home so i mean you see all these devices are connected and there's a thing out there called vampire energy and we heard that term before what does that mean you know right there's they're still stand by their standby power and it's sitting there you don't see the t v on but the t v s in standby mode and it's still pulling in energy well there is a nice little device called a smart strip smart power strip and what it does it senses your t v s off and it once a sensor t v is off it'll actually interrupt the power to the other devices that are standing by this can save you a lot of energy look at a  actually uses says that a set top box for digital cable can use as much as forty plus kilowatts a lecture a seat in standby mode that's like having another lightbulb just sitting there going so anything you can do with  dot on the set top box doesn't have to be on right unless you're recording something coming up and you want to make sure that d v r is ready to go but you know there is a lot of opportunity within that so we have this community energy plan which the forty year plan but tonight you're here to help us think about over that long period of time but also concentrated in the next two years what can we do in our community to be as energy efficient as possible because we're competing we are a semifinalists among fifty communities in the u s we're competing for a prize this is put this prize is called the georgetown university energy prize and you know why are we in this and what's it about it's about trying to demonstrate energy efficiency and putting a plan together that's able to be replicated in scaled and other communities could take and actually you know learn from that and why why are we involved well guess what there's a prize at the end not only will we learn a lot through this process but if we're the successful city that wins this means five million dollars the slogan is five million dollars and change so we will change you know at the back end of this and we can win it how it is poised because we've put together this strategy this community energy plan we've been looking at this for some time and we think we can actually make a lot of effort and a lot of success through this process and ultimately hopefully tonight you'll see it too that it's fun but i think competing on this side kind of scale and really rallying everybody around something that's meaningful is also fun so what are we going to how we we need to reduce electric usage and energy usage all together including natural gas in our residences and in our in our governmental buildings and if we do that more effectively than other communities over the next two years will become a finalist and will be judged on our planet effect in this after that in student gaijin is a big part of that so i said i was going to close with something that was related to something that you might find valuable in your bag  think everybody is going to get one of these at the end a bag with some information in it and it also contains an l e d light bulb and if you have l e d s at home today outstanding wow that's great if there is room for more and i hope only uses nine and a half watts of electricity ok it also has a twenty five thousand hour life which means if you only use it three hours a day who only uses their ball three hours a day there was turning off when you go to school and all that right so if at all if you use it three hours a day that's twenty almost twenty three years that this ball will last you have to go buy a bunch of other incandescent light bulbs and if you're holland d p w customer there's rebates associated with this so this ball can be bought for ten dollars and matter of fact when you look at it another way that you can support i think most of you here are either with christian or how in public schools or west schools  affiliated with a robotics team we've actually purchased these from the area robotics teams and it has the same price point as what you have you know like a menards or a home depot and with the ho w discount that's a net cost of four four dollars and fifty cent per ball what will it save you but we talked about those three reasons why we're doing this finite resources and because of the kilowatt hours that are saved here that means that if you're burning coal to produce that one ball will save twelve hundred pounds of coal that's significant it'll also reduce about three thousand pounds of carbon dioxide from the environment but maybe as important if not more to you over the life of that ball that will save one hundred thirty dollars or so for fifty to buy it hundred thirty back so you can go home tonight tell your parents you'll buy the balls if they'll give you the savings the song great  well again tonight we're glad that you're here it's an it is a great time for you to be involved in this conversation you will inherit you will inherit the decisions that are being made today ok that's important what the future looks like in the things that we're doing today you will have that's going to be your future so it's very important that you're involved and we're thankful that you're involved in the discussion tonight and most of all we want you to have fun i want to leave you with a short little video that we have to reemphasize the value of the l e d s as just one strategy among many to look at in your homes so hands going to run that consumers enjoy having reliable and affordable electricity ashley is no exception she recently replaced her old incandescent lights with new l e d bulb her friends are taking notice to let's listen leslie i love what you've done with that sounds like an awful lot of work and both said actually i only replaced my five most used my saved up to five fifty for each ball because ashley took the first step in becoming more ok yeah you scurry because i might give you the microphone otherwise you'll go up and do this all right well i hope that was interesting for you and now we're going to find out just what great ideas you all came up with here is the way this is going to work we're going to call you up here by groups and because we're videotaping this to be broadcast all around the world sort of we need you to stay generally speaking back a little bit so the cameras can get at you and you need to talk into either this microphone or this microphone because otherwise nobody can hear it we can hear it but you know people in china won't be able to hear that so we're already clear as mud there we go that's the attitude we like group one come on up group one all together group one there we go it's a cross between you know oprah and the price is right here so come on down ok so our main ideas were education rewards and renewable and for education it was like just to inform people what's going on and how that is affecting like the world and that kind of thing some of our main points were advertised as social media and like classes in school that will like inform people of what's going on our second was rewards and  tax incentives or grants contest to like have a school or neighborhood that has the most like reduces the most energy gets like some kind of reward and our last one renewable and one of our main ones worse solar panels in public areas so you know the sun on a great resource little more in depth of what arianna just said for education we were thinking we could start teaching the younger kids sooner because a lot of times when somebody goes in and talks to an elementary school and they give them ideas though go home and tell their parents like when firefighters do and they say check the smoke alarms they go home and they go with their parents they go and test the smoke alarms their house so if we do that with energy in tell them that we do light bulbs they probably do that home turn off the lights turn off the water on the brushing your teeth it would really help with the energy saving in it would continue the good habits for later on  if we haven't touched on rewards so i know there are tax incentives to decreasing the amount of energy that we use so maybe we could do a community and sense of like like a contest for  most efficient neighborhood i don't know what a possible price could be but that could be another idea rewards for neighborhoods or houses that use less electricity that conserve their energy and  use bond money that they get to use the tax money that they get from the community to to build better systems for electricity in cost savings and as well as buying better technology that will save energy and set of wasting the energy that they receive thank your group one month to sort of set that up up there i think right yes excellent group one thank you very much good job i forgot to do one thing you are all going to be on the clock you get three minutes to report out so i'll be the official time keeper as well lots to do all right group to the bar's been set high can you meet the challenge c'mon up this is where it's not fun to be a group of five because at that point nobody wants to clap  so all right who's group to who is our first speaker or the whole thing all right so we had three categories we design outlets so the basic main idea efficient like the side of right here we would save a lot more energy not just in our households but also per person per house and it just be very very efficient at work a lot more and we could get ahead of the competition since it is a competition which uses less energy which i think is a great idea something we came up as a group and if that was something we would like to place into households buildings and exciter it would not only use less energy but also save energy and save money not just for the companies and people but a community as a whole and we also have make energy efficient appliances more fordable this will actually take some time some planning just like any other thing we do where we can do this we get at ads if we make ads we get people to know what we're doing and how we want to do it the possibility of making this is just much higher and we're so on other ways coupons our people they hear they go to the gym they like to work out working out and getting fit has become something very popular and it's something people do nowadays which is really great we can do is advertise this  not only will it make people healthy but also help our community and help people are individually for their households and we can redistribute energy so let's say that somebody goes on the treadmill and that powers the t motivates them because if you were if you were going to churn what you can watch t v or we can do it some other way if let's say you're running on the treadmill all that power that's being produced by yours by the user so i guess i in this make energy not just for the building but for the company as well it be just a great thing overall and these are the as we had  very nice very nice and thank you five seconds to spare very nice that was a great idea proctor and cheering section along that is most impressive keep in mind when you bring the posters up you can't set the posters right here because nobody can see them then do a good job ok right group three who's a who's the presenter person ok well our group upon much deliberation and struggle was able to decide that we measure how much our street lights are currently using and how much we could save by dimming them and then we know we know what safety obviously so we look at other cities that have dimmer street lights and look at the impacts that they're  seven in the morning also opposes street lights we also thought dimmer switches in classrooms would also help conserve energy and manual energy versus electrical energy walking or biking so you yourself are doing things for yourself first is relying on energy sucking things to get you places so in summary we have we had three main  right thank you group three all appliances and things like light bulbs as we heard about earlier l e d s are incredibly more efficient than the normal incandescent light bulbs which waste about ninety percent of the energy put into them so these would be mandatory building codes which would require builders to use efficient efficient appliances and electrical devices in general there would also be codes at the point of sale which would require existing homes to upgrade their electrical infrastructure if you will before it is sold so that it is more efficient this is stick in the carrot stick analogy of the donkey an incentive efficient appliances which there are intrinsic benefits to using more efficient technology but it isn't immediate takes several years to see the benefits this would be much more immediate to consumers who would be able to have money return them returned to them immediately an example of this would be the smart strip which i'm plugs your devices for you preventing them from siphon the electricity while you're not using them we continue and looking into renewable and alternative energy there are many forms of alternative energy like solar power hydro power geothermal and some of those like you know solar power can be used on large or small scales but there are pros and cons to all forms of alternative energy and we were hoping to look into all the aspects of all the forms of energy and possibly find a combination that would suit west michigan's the most you know so that the losses of one form of energy could go into the creation of another form so we'd also have to look at putting them in large and small scale like in homes and schools and large scale businesses so that's when we get into partnering in scaling which is they don't really fit all that well but they were kind of really important things that we wanted to get and we want to work with our organizations because without our without sponsorship in our community we won't be able to get anything done we need to get the word out there and organizations are the best way to do that we need to work with our community and again through social media and outreach to get these big projects done so they're going to do a song from a show tune they're lining up to do some choreography here but i guess not who's getting it all right clare ok so we came up with kind of a three part plan to influence change for energy usage the first part is information explaining what we want to do the second part is the implementation explaining how we're going to do this and the third part are the incentives promoting reasons why we want to do this ok the first part that she talks about was information and in order to get the information to the public there's two main ways we can do this first is through education particularly at the younger levels in elementary school so we want to get out maybe through assemblies at school or just teachers telling their students to make sure to turn off lights or turn off gadgets while they're not using them that sort of thing the next part is telling the community so putting up flyers running more advertisements on t v little things like that allow the repetition and that repetition in turn allows it to become almost ingrained in them it's normal for them and once it becomes normal then these little changes this information and informed population allows a cultural change to occur which would then create a more energy efficient culture in general the next step would be to implement the how we're going to become more energy efficient as a community this can be done starting in the household level moving up to businesses  schools and institutions throughout the community ways we could do this is changing to ellie the light bulbs which save money are more environmentally friendly and just better overall and moving on to bigger things  is tax reductions for businesses who meet certain environmental standards for energy efficiency and these are ways that we can implement energy efficiency in our community ok so you've heard the why and you've heard the how and now this is kind of the why the incentives everybody wants to help save the environment make the world a better place and all that stuff but most import or people are going to respond more to more direct incentives so these are be like competitions you know competitions between area school districts who can be the most energy efficient competitions for small businesses offering more financial incentives like tax deductions as clinton said or  cash rewards and stuff like that and then using things that clinton said to achieve these things you know using the l e d light bulbs using suffer like to see these things through thank you for listening to our presentation and remember small steps lead to a big change i don't know about you but i thought they wanted to sing south pacific i could just feel it all right i think we had five groups right all right good well the joe learned something tonight did you meet somebody new tonight not grass did you have fun because you know i love a little afraid of the answer now i asked are you coming up to give us the final teachers were really very impressed with what they heard from all of you you are our future and everything that you do makes a difference for us in the next generation so we're so glad that you could come and we hope that you will come again next year and also we hope if you're not on high at that you will consider the application process it's very short and simple so come join us here at city hall and continue to make a difference thank you make sure you take your energy back all right we're not done yet you're not done yet the first thing we're going to do the group will do is they'll compile everything and they will present it in the compilation of it and all of your things to the city council to the board of public works board this will also then fold into the group of people working on the georgetown university energy prize because we're trying to think of all great ideas so that we can move the needle big enough that we win the five million dollars so that is i think the shortest answer of what's going to happen it's going to be gathered up synthesize given to the policy makers and i'm sure lots of these things are going to be included especially the one about you know going on the treadmill and powering the t v think maybe maybe not exactly that one but you get the idea now let me say finally before we call it an evening again thanks to the adults in the room tonight border public members members board members members of the city council members lots of members all over the place  and of course our leader holland lecture leaders group who really planned everything tonight along with the use of youth advisory council and you can tell it's getting late because i can't talk anymore but all of these people really spent a lot of time putting together this evening's event so let's all give them one final round of applause telling them thank and then finally thank you all for giving up a night i know you're busy i know you've got homework and you may still have homework you're going to be at school early in the morning i'm going to keep you longer know just to know that you know we understand they are busy people and you gave up a night to be here with us and hope you really enjoyed it it's great to have you in city hall come back and see us some more i get involved in things that drive that they give you passion in things that you want to do and ultimately make this your town and make it a better town thanks everyone thanks for coming good night