welcome to the consumer third two thousand and twelve water and sewer commission meeting this meeting is only for approving more lands maybe getting a brief summary from candles and to talk about items for the next meeting which have now we need to we need to do something in the short term to make sure that we mean our expenses for this year before we do a comprehensive one on you know probably do something  ok we probably should talk about depot street too because if depot street is something that i know we're talking about in the select board meetings about doing is we need to talk about how that's going to impact water and sewer as even if it is in in house thing it's still going to impact the budget because it'll probably end up being like a five year note as to whatever amount it's going to be we need to take that into consideration  want to pay for that because that's that part is going to be separate from the parking lot which is what we've been talking about it's like we're creating this is doing a five year note for the parking lot and then there'd be a maybe a separate one know that we're going to be meeting in the middle of the month or we this we're doing this to make it so that it warrants are coming on so we will be getting electric bills propane i've been president of richmond little league and my husband has also been so we've been involved with the little league for like three years hi i'm marco austin and a parent and also resident of richmond i live on church street and my son has been involved with baseball that both my kids have also played on deck soccer but been very involved specifically in helping out with sales in the snack bar specific as it comes to baseball and so just that's what brought us here today so our overall goal and tonight is basically to express our thoughts about the need for a paid recreation coordinator in the town of richmond being involved in baseball for many years and also talking to people who have been involved with soccer now call on abbie o'neal and talking to people who run road races organize road races in the area like heather parker  we've you know robert sort of a common you know sticking point in that we don't have really any central organization in our town in terms of recreation and post really you know really it highlighted this need to us way more just because of the difficulties that the town itself it was you know had but also was running these programs trying to get things up and running in this after following up with the cleanup of irene and trying to get the snack bar in the bathrooms and all that up it's been going really sort of made that even more clear to us and i wanted to just give a couple examples of things that have happened that we know are things that are affecting us now and then marv is going to talk about a little bit about what the benefits of this position would be so the examples are by no means an attack on anyone or an attack on a town we feel like the towns were really responsive but it's not necessarily a top priority a lot of these things that come up so this one of the things that i have in this past spring after irene was the bathrooms in the snack bar napping ready and just trying to get that organized and having people come into the park with no bathrooms open nothing able to use the snack bar which might not seem like a priority but is a huge fundraiser for the baseball and trying to facilitate with jaf organizing getting that stuff up and going as we're trying to get the baseball season season underway and being volunteers it was very time consuming for all of us and  we sort of felt like it was kind of beyond our responsibility as little league volunteers and sort of a bigger issue and that was one thing that happened and we also have found that in talking to other towns like shall burn and hinds for about their recreation programs that have a common thread that sort of coming through is that they don't really want to kind of get involved with what we're doing with our recreation stuff because it's so hard for them to find contact people to talk to it changes so much and even within the community you know who's running baseball this year who's running soccer this year where do we get information about these things and again you know linda is a great resource for this stuff but it changes a lot and you know we all use our own home e mails to run these programs and our own home phone numbers and so sometimes being able to contact people regarding this is difficult we also have found that to be an issue this past year during preparations for fourth of july it was a problem more organizers of the fourth of july activities need the fences down for days of before hand and we know that that always happens although no one ever contacts inside of time but we had  a summer baseball program going on and we had lined up some volunteers to take it down the day before and i got home that day and got a message on my e mail or on my phone from susan  running baseball for three years that someone had called her to get the fence established and so you know what ended up happening was volunteers for i'm guessing the fourth of july are you staff took them down they weren't properly marked all the bases were taken out with the anchors and it made it very difficult for our summer baseball program to get everything ready again for our games that were happening in the next week and had somebody been there to sort of say the week before we need him down by x time we would have been able to organize that so so those are some examples there are lots of other things that happen in terms of just maintenance on the field and all really would like to not sort of labor on all those kind of points as much as point out what the benefits would be so ok great thanks the only thing i wanted to say about talking with other towns which has been very informative and not only do they not sometimes contact us but there's also the downside to rely on volunteers is the transfer of information doesn't happen in any kind of sequential way or information doesn't get transferred at all which is a real problem because someone might be a lease is a wealth of knowledge and i'm a wealth of knowledge and my son's going to stop playing baseball and can i say this on record i'm done with the sn so i'm going to help out but you know it's just it's not fluid it's there's just not so one of the benefits i guess i would just want to read into it is having a point person in the community benefits residents of the community but people outside  community they know who to contact there's a there's one focal point for all recreation which is really important when i moved to richmond years ago i think we're so fortunate in richmond that we have a true downtown and then we have a such a beautiful park however i have to say in the last couple years and i just got a dog in june and i walk my dogs forward times a day or someone else in my family was lucky enough to use the park really looks like it needs some care and i just who's really in charge of that in terms of meet needs and maintenance is not just moving along it's it's much larger than that that fence right i mean the sign right now for volunteers green i think is actually a real statement of how well the parks being managed the sign is falling apart and i think in the year two thousand and twelve correct me if i'm wrong we're at a point where the recreational committee is not actively meeting i mean i've talked with some direct many rooms and to my knowledge it hasn't met for at least a year maybe two so i think about a town and i think about i responsibility and that this is really whether we're we're responsible for these properties and we're also liable for the property so if we're responsible and reliable we want to make sure someone who's paid this is really this is their job this isn't an add on to their job or someone is just kind of been thrown this that this really gives them the time to dedicate to make sure recreation is adequately addressed so we can be proactive instead of reactive to situations like that come up i think it would relieve pressure right now of current town staff you know i mean as a town grows and you know i don't know that the staff really have the capacity to currently handle those situations and furthermore i would say that when you hire somebody who truly has a bad background and recreation they're going to look at opportunities and are going to bring a skill set that other people may not bring to the job which i think is really important to think about when we think about staffing what kind of credentials to rewind for someone who's going to manage recreation in having lengthy conversations which i've been so fortunate with jen mckeown who was nice enough to talk with me a link in heinz berg talked about the importance of  their community it has not become just about kids that we think about recreation as a community she also served adult programs afterschool programs fourth of july falls under her best of olds a whole host of activities go under under her purview in her job description and so it really serves the betterment of the entire community and i would say that good position would have incredible potential in this town this is a amazing town and the more we have traffic frankly going through town it better is other businesses i would imagine that we talk to for example on the rise or we talk to bridge street on a night that there's soccer or baseball business is increased by that by those visits to the park and we have to look at that is not just a it's costing our town but what are the this is a value added position and that is the way i would i would want the board to really look at it is it's going to add value to this community and when i spoke with jan the great thing is structured fees in positions in heinsberg her position is basically paid for through fee structures so they have worked it out so that it's self itself finding the position she's twenty four hours a week they're currently moving it actually to thirty hours a week because the demand has have the benefits and front of you and i would say on volunteerism i guess i would just like to say that i always going to volunteer i think it's really important however i think people are more willing to volunteer when they know what their tasks are they have someone to count them on the back get stuff together and someone to organize the how am i walked through after walking my dog i feel like i'm a good citizen after fourth of july and there was all this paper stuff left over that was mowed up from fourth of july fireworks and my dog kept chewing on them and they were like it was nasty and i thought i should come over with a trash bag and i should clean the stuff up and i and they did you know and i thought those are the kind of task two that have some was coordinating recreation could throw out an e mail on front porch for hey we're getting together at ten o'clock bagels provided come clean up our park we don't have anybody who's who's providing that service right now to our community so we don't know we're not looking at it as someone who has to run every program because obviously back can't happen i mean it's too expensive to have to but in doing that many hours of work but you know we did for baseball we have our own board you know you have people running soccer  than just having that overall for a nation piece not that that person is going to then have to take over all the registrations and everything else that happens with baseball it centralizing the information but it's not taking money for all those volunt yeah i mean i guess just a clue dancy i mean i've kind of spoken about that i mean really our vision and our goal and what we're coming to you with is what are the steps to get us there is we really feel like this community is at a point where if we have no functioning recommended it's meeting and we have no position that's really highlighting these issues what are the steps going forward to make sure this is addressed in our community and we really feel strongly that that needs to be through a part time paid position that can really address both the need instant needs of these parks that are tools to our community if we treat them as such and also overseeing all the recreation efforts that happen in the town so that's what we're asking for you to consider tonight share a lot of the same concerns about protecting the investment of the town has in the right be recreational facilities that we have and also making it making it possible for volunteers to contribute more effectively and not essentially be out there trying to figure it all out you know without support from the town quickly jeff can you can you talk about sort of what recreation related improvements there that has fully transitioned over a year but it goes back to what you heard here is the volunteers used to do or really are doing  no volunteers around so it's eventually going to because jen started asking me questions about jenny can you get happy too she's been so great i have to answer more questions for compositions twenty four hours a week but her budget for reparations ninety five thousand but that includes  increased i think i'd hear from twenty four to thirty hours when i spoke with the chair rocking as a twenty hour week recession a year what she talked about was she's like when soccer starts i'm sixty hours a week like it's crazy and then when i'm not i still get paid around twenty hours a week but i'm flexible to be able to meet the town's needs and flex my time in that way the other thing that jen talked about and that i thought it was important to mention because i guess my understanding is this has been discussed again before in richmond and one question was what would we do about community members outside of richmond we're going to bring this position up and she said that's easy we do the same thing we do a nonresident fee for people outside of times for it it's just a different structure it's based on what you're accessing the programs in town or your and others have resident so that we deal with that all the time that goes to to this position basically i mean you have to obviously be careful got to make the fees so high that people can't afford you know that the registration fees are really high but they did you have enough programs going on that this person actually well they have a big recreation program and they also have their peers was a little more complicated because they have their fields and everything are privately owned or something i read their own and the way she done of the time a little bit put options open to the to the select board i mean i think there's probably some more discussion needs to happen but just certain to define this in terms of the budget for example and what would be  options for moving forward to address this this request well we're getting to the end of the budget cycle we have a little bit of money in recreation now that could cover part of something  i i'd like to know how much of recreation or do i get paid i don't know how many hours or certainly i don't think it would be a year long position to begin with  but it would take some creativity to put together a plan where this person could only coordinate recreation fields but also raises we have to put in a fee structure for that we might have to reconsider who we charge fees to which th fees are whether that would generate enough money to to make a workable budget i have no idea what we would really be looking is representative of what usually happens after the farmers so as it relates to the farmer's market the individuals who sell their goods pay a substantial amount and by contrast the farmer's market you can see it right there on their websites and it has you know it's pulling and yeah kind of creates this whole vibe of what's going on in the community and the calendar feature it definitely does yeah and whether they're coordinating having an active committee is often a byproduct of having a staff member connect the time and energy takes tartus volunteers that's twenty twenty hours a week and charlotte was eighteen thousand dollars i can tell you sell it because she shared with me so she gets paid it's eighteen may be something that we could think about we could examine that but only for a few hours a week right because if you're starting you still have to add hours to the due to current staff because nobody document nor by lines had been amended that as proposed they would be both combined then demand and we and so we have the the the ones that we've had for for some time  process going forward is i met with the new chairman of the of the planning commission last week i believe and we sort of went over different options i think there's an interest in the planning commission in doing some some pretty extensive review and of of the proposed revisions and cells but also in the short term and this is a request that came up several times during our hearings on the matter that i attended was to find some way to cut this down to more bite size chunks and i sort of pushed that idea with with mr foss also the problem is that while some things can be broken off a lot of it  according to him is very in a related and partially because russell talking about taking two documents that were already connected in complex ways and simplifying by making the money you  can't what he said is that you can't easily do that just sort of like by one part of town if you look at it from a geographic approach or i'm sorry i'm putting words in your mouth and i didn't see sitting over there tell me if i'm getting off track here ok  i think we did identify a couple areas where the plane commission was was you know feeling that there was a sense of urgency particularly properties that are in the flood plain and the difficulties that that homeowners face in making repairs to their properties under the current regulations that was a goal of the rewrite was to make that easier and fair for people in that limited situation i mean limited compared to the to the overall town and i think i can remember now there was one other situation where we sort of identified a well maybe that makes sense to to go forward separately to and i mean the vanish there is that it makes it simpler and easier i think for the for the public figure out what's going on when it's when it's more limited in that way and certainly i think it was a challenge for for many of us just the breadth and scope of  a few things about the the the vote itself one is i think that there there were different elements to the opposition and i want to give credit first of all to the people who had a philosophical opposition to the direction that was taken by the by the proposed rewrite i think there are real issues here in effect things like land ownership and just you know what people are allowed to do with their properties and it is reasonable for people to have disagreements about that and by and large i felt that there was you know very respectful and disciplined discussion on both sides and you know can put it this way sort of leading the anti campaign and in a very publicly thoughtful way so that's one thing i think there is also a lot of confusion on the part of the public i just know that questions came up job that wasn't done the way that i think we produce like gordon and the planning commission needed to do it in order to get something that complicated to have the kind of public support that it needed to have and i think personal responsibility for some of that because that one point we went to ask western slopes for their support in taking that to the business community and they came back and said that they were unable to do that at that time and i recommended that we proceed to when i think that probably was a mistake given that i think there would have been a real benefit to having western slopes business association you know thorough review and and and hopefully eventually support or amendment i mean i think that was there was there has always been an openness by the planning commission to two groups and individuals coming in and bringing their positions forward then the third area they want to dress is that and there's been no not over focus on this but there definitely were some errors in the in the draft that was put before the public and while those are regrettable i think that the point that i want to make is that if there is an expectation by anybody in the town that all proposed regulation or articles are always going to be completely error free completely particularly when there is complex as this that's not consistent with a you know it's a largely volunteer democracy which we have here and that's not to say that we shouldn't try very hard to find situations people been incorrectly categorized in their in their properties and things like that but we i would prefer to you know make sure that we have a robust system for addressing those errors in new regulation rather than trying to you know absolutely guarantee that they've all been addressed before and so that i think we get into a situation where we have paralysis the last thing that i want to dress and this pains me but it it 's something that i take personally very seriously is that i think there was malicious mischief involved in in the particularly in the last few days run up to the vote and then i think that there were individuals who particularly made use of front porch forum until i complained to the tenor of the remarks on front porch form and the administrator agreed that it had gotten out of control and stop the  designed centrally to affect the outcome of the vote by damaging the reputation of the targets and i think that's really unfortunate and i just wanted to make a public statement about that i think that one i don't think that in the end term the outcome of the vote i think that the lopsidedness indicates that they probably would have failed anyway frankly also with something like that if it's close i have problems with it i mean i think that if there is something that profound you want to have a a that you're trying to kind of change has to have solid support by citizens  but i think that the as the aftermath of that that tactic having been used one it makes it again harder to recruit the volunteers who do the hard work you know in some case for multiple years to help pay the town's regulations and if the if the feeling is that that shouldn't be done and that everything should always remain the same i think that has that problems itself so i've gone on a great length here and i'm going to stop now but i think that it's important to take a stand for civility and for for having the political arguments be on the merits of the of the legislation or regulation that's being proposed and not be personal attacks on the people that are involved thank you and entertainment comes from the slick board and to the public you when it was the attack on me which time there you go thanks so much all right any other questions from the public all right well i think  is one vacancy on the development review board i think anybody that's interested in getting involved needs to write a letter to myself here's an e mail let us know you're interested  jeff you want to set us up there at the last meeting jeff forward came in and talked about his plans to revive the base question on the two thousand and thirteen town meeting phallic as an article that would be voted on by those present and not an australian ballot article if you look at my meet my memo of november thirtieth so actually puts forth the wording of a question that this web board could vote voted on incorrectly we had warned it as an australian valid or i don't but we didn't call the proper procedures to make it that way so the vote that was taken at the two thousand and twelve town meeting was invalid  forward wants to try again there was overwhelming support for it even though that it was the vote was notified mr forde still feels this is a nice program that would benefit some people in town the town doesn't put any cost into it and it was widely supported so he wants to make it official it was participating in the pace program cold water for australia geoff or wants to have a discussion at the next town he doesn't want to go to the australian dollar he wants to be able to talk about it idea was that that there would be both a chance to explain why this coming back again but also to let people know what to expect in terms of implementation in the next few months is one of the things that turned out as we didn't really miss drawn out bullet point well taken you know let's go to secret ballot so we have to hand count i mean that was it took a long time but hopefully it'll be clear cut it there's a motion that i've drafted on the november thirtieth for members of the a motion to approve the following question to be placed before the vote or is an article at the two thousand and thirteen town meeting childhood town of richmond establish a town wide pa any public discussion on this any question comment on on this all right anybody any of us have any further questions you know all right all in favor of approving that the that the article shall the town of richmond establish a town wide p a c e property assessed clean energy the streets and be put on the line before the public for the twenty  i don't see us jumping eighty thousand dollars next year to give back so i caution you to to really think about that i really think that's really more about her question personally mike my personal opinion is i think we should plug in the capital budget numbers as shown in this plan and that the voters cut it out versus like or both i just don't see it as getting back on track development of these plans and if you can give us a time frame when they were put into place and why they were put in place the two in two thousand and four we have a grab a problem with our roads specific with materials or using this figure it was very poor quality gravel and at that time it several meetings speaking with several residents about it they were very concerned they really want to get these r through that and you can see the progress on these roads in the nose a lot of residents i can attest to that and you know i see this is the first attack on the map plan so that's why i'm very concerned about it because it's taken so much work to get to this point i just feel i feel strongly about it i know it's a large increase in the budget we have three capital quicken items and you know what stores the highway budget w dump truck or something like that another year so that we can keep on track with the gravel plan that's also propose in this budget to push one truck out one year but they're only a year cycle right and eventually they're going to crisscross that's what's happened this yeah was so i mean i and i know we've talked about keeping you know the budget too but if there was a good reason to go above what our target was then we would entertain entertain  and i want to respect because capital planning it's really important and i want to respect the work that you guys put in a couple years ago putting out the plan to say this is what we want to do and i don't know if a lot of other departments do that i know in my experience working with other communities they don't do it it's this is what we need to do next year is this is what we're going to do and so i appreciate that you know the work that you put into that and i would like to respect that program where you're going to do sacrifice from the dollars here the nurse has been a huge improvement you know but extending it out another year is just extending it out another year you know your another only two i mean if if this twenty fourteen budget plan is year five or six we have another two years of that so by twenty seventeen will be the perspective that i've had is that they were coming out of a very tough economic time and were trying to you know keep the increases in the in taxes to the minimum possible while people are still getting back on their feet but we do get into the situation that you just described and that is to nobody's benefit in the long term you know we went from a two percent target to a three percent target terms of increase this year you know i would love to be able to project that the economy is going to take off you know in the next twelve months in the end that we're going to feel a lot more comfortable about recouping that next year i don't have that ability to project nor do i have a strong belief that that will be the taxes you know any more than bill's does but i think that there is a broad appreciation as we've heard here tonight and also that i hear sent over the intel for the the progress of made on the roads and i think you know you get a lot of credit  for that and i think we'll see the benefit of that improvement by the fact that the people who live on those routes are going to have a better quality of life but also that we're almost done that we have three more years counting this one three more years left and then and then we'll see that that recoup in the in the budget too so you know it might be i mean we would get we would propose these these increases five six years ago so it's not like it's a oh right now all of the proposed tax increase is one point three cents and that's two point eight to one eight percent so if you have another cent on it wasn't going to be you sure go ahead you know i certainly appreciate the effort that went into like trying to meet what your request i sufficiently thank you know i think this this process to me this is the second the second chapter here that we've done it in this way and it seems a taxpayer you know i mean i appreciate that we're having a conversation what are we doing with our money and being sensitive to the fact that we are still in recovery and you know everybody every dollar counts changes we were at the final budget numbers three million one hundred forty four thousand one hundred thirty billion dollars we're going to increase of christe by forty thousand dollars with the most recent change  will be somewhere around three percent interest increase on the tax rate which will be about two cents on the dollar so that means if you have a two hundred  that's what we're proposing this is the but we're still off finally got this is the fourth draft i made a number of changes which were detail on the last page most of those were salary it shows that under your first note it said reduced well the first line says reduce library salaries to two point five percent cola right so the library is two and a half percent of that right at the last meeting we were trying to shoot for two and a half requested and i redid my salary calculations with that in mind adjusting the existing employees up by a dollar an hour his initial salary request i think which includes a thousand dollar increase and then also reducing the capital reserve for the reappraisal reserve by a five thousand or fifty one hundred and putting that into sound reason they've requested an increase in south and their hourly rate and they've also suggested that there are three slots only two of them are filled it's likely that a third of this group will be elected at town meeting and when they satellites that we can and should have and the fact that folks in the office previous to carry myself took no salary was a benefit to the town but well those are significant changes i'm still haven't finalized the revenues yet and i expect to do that and then i expect that we'll have a public hearing on the budget on january seventh hopefully at the next meeting we'll be able to get to a   does anybody have any comments on the schedule of capital improvements and capital purchases  include that down payment as a supplement to what the budget is the other way would be to put that money into the budget now and move the budget for right that's my rough estimate now and could that you know could that money be another deferred maintenance here to yeah it is but it it's you know it doesn't need to you know keep the really happy with and we need a vote yes or all in favor of proving the richmond capital budget programme to two thousand and fourteen capital plan for if the step of sort of planning that outreach it's going to take a bit of time i'm thinking so the question is whether we should try to do that the next me or the one afterwards but if you could if you could send me sort of  but it wasn't the well there was a garden hose that's going from i feel like it's going from the from the mobile home to the trailer and that's leaking and it's like you don't pass the road no no there will be really can't be leaking it it's actually it the popular consensus on border lane is that says we're ok because it originally went from his house under the road down to the lower unit rather said ok so then so then it's a leak in the service line from the think i talked about that a couple of the meetings ago so i actually took her there for about half an hour earlier today and she said she gave me a lot of really good information one that we can actually get a free domain with the state  poor for a dot gov address so we wanted richmond dot gov richmond vermont dot gov or richmond county dot gov the state would pay for it because right now our our domain is richmond v t dot com and while i'm sure it's a relatively small amount of money that we pay every year we could get a gov address with the state and i found the guy's name some of the coming second she told me that there are that there is a website where you can get a sort of policy government information just in kind of like policy and procedures on developing websites and what should go on in it's easy vermont broad band dot org it's all spelled out and then there's the subsample test site which i think i told you about the template which was the vermont broadband dot org slash test underscore site  this woman is she's willing to come into a dog and pony show basically i'm a console them i will comic speak to the slept for about half an hour about the services that i provide she used to work under the grant  but now she's working out a kind of a probably yes you know working at the the terms now that the grants expired to be able to use the template to provide her services as a as a consultant basis  she said her she's working out a package with the selling center because i think that they maybe own the template but that it may be priced around a thousand dollars the consulting fee and what that would be would it would be setting up a template on our own sort of server working out the details with the hosting service and the people who own our don't mean to get it to point to the right direction to transfer current content into the appropriate places on the proposed template and then to do training with the template it's in word press so it's designed that we don't have to contact anybody to do any updating like we do all the updating ourselves and wordpress is a from what i  ubiquitous piece of software and i actually think it works online so you don't even have to download anything on your computer and so anybody who works for a state got time government can update the sections that they're responsible for and this is one option course amy had sent out something about another option but there are towns who have been actively using it more town uses it actively middlesex and i actually looked on their web sites today and they were pretty good i mean they had links on the side i mean it looked like i mean it was basic but it is better than ours currently it had the links on the side for the different departments it had you know information in the middle it had the calendar on the side whether it it's it's it looks more official now she hasn't finalized her package yet but she's still she's still available on a consulting basis if we want to hire but prior to that she still can come in and tell her tell us what she does and we'll be able to ask questions of her again this is only one service that's out there but because the template has already been developed and it's being utilized by other towns of similar size and of similar complexity bristol is another one that's actively using it and i think that there probably are more comparable to us than a more town or a middle sex but i think that it might be a good option i know her next meeting is fall and i recognize that probably or january seventh meeting is going to be fall because that's a public hearing it may be until the middle of january before we can get before we could even think about inviting her but it's a n option and she says she's willing to to come is that simply as a mission almost like an informational session so you know and i'm going to inquire about a getting a domain and maybe just get that set up you know but we still have to pay hosting fees so this is the other thing i was talking about with the like the gov office type thing even though you're paying a premium is they do everything for you i mean in meeting they do the hosting they do the domain registration and take care of that you know i think we can update content but they can also do overhauls they can do customizing they do design but what it's really me and i don't really know i think it was probably in the couple of thousand dollar range you know they have like constant tech support twenty four hour tech support they could do a mobile option and those definitely look look better than these do but you're paying a premium so we would have to have a conversation about what's it worth to us and you know i i mean i think we could get away with the b and do say at least we have something better you know i mean i think i think our community needs to represent we need to have a better online presence and even if it's even if it's this step and then meeting in couple of years we find we need to go to the next having gone through this experience from my business thirty three years ago i think it's hard to know in intel you really get into it how people are going to respond to the website and really use it and it makes sense to sort of walk before you good i mean i think there are probably a number of ways to go but this is a fairly low risk rating and i mean it's certainly we can put out an r f p to website development firms in me and we put out a scope but i don't even know if we know what the scope would be i mean i think that this is something that was developed again you can go at it you from on broadband dot org and you can you can look at it and you can look at their policies they they work with you on s and p is for you know what should go up what should go up who should be responsible it cetera et cetera you know it shows the template on their you can look yourself and that was developed through grant and that would be what this woman because she developed an under the grant credits on doing certain improvements to their businesses and that status we've had for ten years or so new every five years and it's up for renewal the planning commission recommends to the select  are to submit the renewal application and they're going to deliberate on that submit something to you has to be turned in by march of two thousand and thirteen they've got a few months here but just want to let you know it's in the pipe update at a later time and we do have several vacancies coming up for town meeting petitions are going to be due next month there are two select board slots and i you know hope that the current members consider running again the treasurer is up for election again this year and our current acting true not acting tr slack were so that they were better paid up until they saw some progress on getting materials received right a couple of months ago we had a meeting with rich data and he provided a substantial amount of th we haven't come to a final agreement on what it's a representative from the towns might look like on their work it's pretty it was pretty fundamental but they supply and do we have a feeling what's going on here is they just haven't gotten to the point of really figuring out how to let towns be represented or are they both cancel the concept or no i don't think they're barking at all i think coming up with dollars i think is the amount and if you then that we can sign and change the amount we do have a point one purchase order of one purchase order which is purchase of radio equipment on a grant for the highway do we have a mandate to go to what's called narrow band frequencies or it's more commonly just referred to as digital frequencies for our police and highway they use two separate  licenses from the f c c we attain obtain grants for both of them but right now we're talking about the highway grant for some motor all of which there's not a lot of motorola  vermont so we got one quote originally for the green which was from radio north group but i had to try to find somebody else who would give me a quote i called motorola direct for a direct quote for the same  motorola direct which is just a generic anywhere in the country can call my old role and try to get prices for these things not tied to a specific dealer their cost was nineteen thousand two hundred twenty four dollars and fifty cents which is about twenty five hundred twenty four hundred dollars difference and fortunately that's the only competing quote i could get for this korea as i said before unfortunately we have to do this by  january i think the price for radio in north is genuine and there it's not over charge compared to what the the competition might charge installation is extra and we'll have to pay for that outside of the grant but we do have a grant for seventeen thousand dollars to purchase as equipment so i'd submit impedes hearing answer any more specific questions and how much installations four thousand four hundred twenty it's and it's really it's a not to exceed number because they may be able to use reuse some of our existing in tenners if they're not in them before four thousand four hundred twenty five dollars now