bill approved a couple of months ago ending communities throughout the country that needs or criteria that have preferential investment tax investment structures they're very undefined at this point we did the state went through very it allows investors to invest in projects in our city without paying capital gains as they move the money and if they keep the money in the community for a period of time are able to then take it out at the end of the project tax free so it's trying to capture capital gains and invest more that capital gains into development projects so it's something we're tracking really closely we've had a couple of handful of interested parties in the city already approached us about it  know when you're available for a special meeting next week i don't really know because we don't yet have a state budget we don't have an education tax rate so we send our tax bills traditionally we print them in end of june beginning of july to send them out around july tenth july twelfth for a august fifteenth today just the way it's been for years and years without having an education and we send out the tax bills with both of those municipal and school tax rates on the same piece of paper we recommend that we maintain that process this year and wait until there is an education tax rate what we're being told from the state is that the department of taxes needs about five days between when there's a proof state budget and when they can send out the education tax rates so if we get that much beyond the week of june july fifth or the week of july fourth of july third two thirds if we get much beyond that we will miss the our august fifteenth due date for taxes that's going to be confusing for the public and it might be difficult for folks to escrow their property taxes but we believe it's better to go have them all on and of course if we if we have to be delayed which we don't know yet whether we will hold to a foal education or a full communication push to educate the public on changes if there are going to be changes that make gets pushed significantly back you know this is why we have thirty days on cash on hand on the southern city side we can cover ourselves for a while i talk to the superintendent he's aware of it he's looking at his options but again him last week at the planning commission meeting we had regina mahoney here from seize your p c we've entered into a contract with them to support the city as we go through this master planning effort over the next nine months support from the needs of the planning grant we got last year we had a really good meeting with regina laid out by well planned for us for the next nine months or so with very first strive to this is what's going to happen in a planning commission meeting through the rest of the  process we also had a great conversation about public input really building off the public input that's already gone into the existing planning documents so i'll be circulating that calendar in the next tweaker suppose he will get a sense of when he might like to to use your natural environment form of recreation and health so i can make before at five thirty it has been there is a charge associate with that one so go on to the website and learn more if you'd like to register but there's still time to history facts for bringing some of that discussion so i think that group is definitely engaged active and doing their part to  terms of a timeline that we can expect to measure progress against i'm just been just a little bit more on the amorphous side from the past and the great thing about the regime is she's helped along with our other meeting the planning commission will be reviewing what they have received to date from the commissions all the commissions are at slightly different points and then the calendar also outlines specifically when each chapter will be discussed so that sensually print out a ballot based on their selections of the duplicate of what about otherwise would be if somebody got a valid bible to do so many seem voters can look forward to that in august it should be a great tool for people to be able to write dependently and keep the application requesting including alcohol tastings and sales the regulation of the sales falls under my d l c farmer's market licensing for menu and the vendor currently being added to the anything written specifically into our ordinance that would say that for a farmer's market we would need to do all of those boundaries all of that so the previous permit applications are approved and i would back  would that come to us as the liquor control board yeah yeah yeah so this is just they want to sell bottles of their products and people taste little and price little anything and they have to take responsibility for checking hundred percent understood here and and i think both brian and renee bouchard from the farmer's market have they both have experience with us so it's incumbent on them to make sure that they're following all those policies and procedures and i think we have a pretty clear understanding about  questions concerns from counsel to those clarifications and questions concerns in the public second sidewalk usage permit for specific dates to have a ten minute hand to hand in from commodity of natural market and that is for july twelfth from five to eight pm and september sixth from five to eight pm rate cuts and i would like to point out something that i did not notice in the application but when they speak about first aid they said we have a store first aid kit that should be sufficient for any possible related in comments questions concerns all the documents all for well just as a recap that this is the melt that is estimated to be necessary for the original goal build out last week so we'll share some reflections going to this that i think are going to be important context for next steps moving forward you know my reflection i agreed with going with  a fifteen percent tax increase come december and i think that's something you're really going to have to grapple with through these next few months we're putting together a second on issuance and front of the community and i feel strongly that there's going to be enough support to pass it i do and i think that that's a great thing and i think this is a great community asset and one that we should work hard to try to figure out how to how to make happen i think we're go have a lot more work to do as a result of moving this forward in the discussion in the last me really got into it i think we're going to have to pick this rate back up and put it right back on the front burner in terms of  communities that have had private public partnerships in front raising and have had really good conversations with three different manners and staffs who have put together blue ribbon fundraising committees which are separate it's i think that would that would be too much and i begin to think that even if we could get it passed and at fifteen percent from where i sit and look at those two global financial issues i have a lot of concern about it  so i'm certainly going to throw my energy and efforts into trying to work to fundraise i think we're going to have to come back really soon we're going to talk about an issue a little bit later in regards to the other bond issuance we're trying to find the tional resources to  back on the financial last week could be going forward for the community on the side of the main street project which i think is great and i think we're going to have to continue to do the same thing here my bigger concern is really more related to the second i know is the first mainstream bondo had a very are the first on a show that's had a very straightforward narrative to it in terms of how it fits together and the second one doesn't and i think we benchmarking that we have between now and put in the final budget for three people about what the decision stops may look like in addition to bond that would be really valuable and something the community would benefit from from a transparency standpoint because i am concerned that we're to put forward in the bottom no i think it's going to pass think it's going to be supported and then we're going to be stuck with to that again in the congress of talking about things like affordable housing and it feels pretty disingenuous to be laboring on that issue and then turn around and propose a fifteen percent tax increase to people that just that doesn't that flies in the face of what it is we talk about as a value so much  involvement we have fun raising activity and i don't think that that's right but i have gotten to a comfort level where i know at least i can get involved in a very formal way to show that there is the political will find those that have people make donations and step up and because i watched your conversation last time it was quick and that's ok i think it was felt like you had all been talking about a lot but i think we need we need to be really thoughtful about what's next in terms of the the type of discussion that's going to take place in july and august in the build up this is not as straightforward as when we had the mainstream one where we just kind of took it and ran with the explain what it was because now we're going to have to answer that question of if you're saying yes to this hear about what you're saying we i don't think the main street project was there straight line it was a straight line to we have to have a vote by this date and then cancels going  and see what amount of fund raising can occur in the interim and committed to at least in public presentations of ban have private fund raising raise x amount of money then we will move forward with that we haven't agreed to that approach zero are you suggesting that that i'm just going i'm giving our function the putting putting both on is to me is a nonstarter there's five people here in this group could say decide what goes on and what doesn't i know i am i'm stressing that i will be very blunt and i will i will be very publicly about that i don't think asking for a fifteen percent tax increase is a sustainable request in our community i don't think that's reasonable so i it i think it's really important of this body in passing this in putting this resolution for d be ready to have a conversation and if it's if it's going to be you know there's not a consolidated perspective on that then then that's ok that's we can move forward that way i think it would be a good idea to  get a little bit more going to have those kind of hard conversations here versus playing out in whatever narrative people decide to set straight because i do think it is very different i'm i was comfortable you know and felt like the men at least the majority of the body was if we hit that pinch mark of where the we thought the tax rate impact would fall for a main street project but that was that was pretty straightforward to me i think when of and i want to make it really clear because when you do is vote for stuff it's generally my job to try to go out and be a central mouthpiece for what that work is and it's it's important for you know from that i have a lot of a lot of concerns  on top of the mainstream project and that's growth you know i think what's concerning the in my initial reaction was hearing that and i do they appreciate the dedication to finding alternative funding streams to li absolutely and i think that's incredibly critical but i don't want to see as us get into the budgetary process this upcoming year because we have these two special projects and history time tax impact as a result of and that's in and i think that's the conversation i think it's if it's going to be blindly if the votes yes then we're going to take whatever was going to be a song and charge for with that and that's that's a perspective  it's again really important is the person who generally takes these yes approvals and takes them back to the community and do i support i do do i think a fifteen percent tax increase is going to be something that that i'll support  road so we're actually even if we get outside fund raising we're still increasing our obligation for the next forty fifty years however long this facility last is why i didn't i did not support the whole project and i think it was important that we had that discussion about the reduced tax impact and trying to relate that to fund raising the possibility is one thing that i've been thinking about you know the way that we approach the mainstream project there are options to like scale that back depending on what the financing looks like but when i read this by language it doesn't really sound like we have room for that i needed like it clearly states like these are the features that are going to be included in this project so is there room to scale back if we don't have enough money to put this forward after approving it  the project to something that would be a community that a lot of community members put a lot of time work into that would impact the operational costs year to year so although it might have a percentage point impact think the the one good thing there is there are others you still have if you do have the full number on there you have the opportunity to scale it back is one consideration they're th  that it takes to coordinate and scope that kind of narrative and to develop it and to get out there and do it if it takes a lot of work and it's not easy and this is this is complicated and it's coming in the middle of something else  so i think when i i just i watched the meeting from last week no able to attend and was just noticing there really wasn't a conversation about that and how this is going to go forward out into the community on an outward facing way and what the messages and whether or not there's there is concurrence that if it's if it's passed you can expect that our full intent is to bundle this with the previous financial commitments we've made have real concerns about that and i think i find that really a challenging place to be so i think we need to try to do if if the decision is to move this forward and it blew don i do think it's going to be approved i think we need to be prepared to and given my experience with working in the nonprofit field and fundraising and so forth i throw my weight into this as well and would support you in your efforts to make sure this is you know that the subtext there competition to me is i think there would be a full blitz type effort to try to get something as close to the understandable from the financing perspective by this in the first room talk about the other grant you've got going on for you know bills but to have those trade at least as close to converge in your place in space for than could make a subsequent real decision about what goes forward on the tax do i think there's a commitment from the clip certainly i will say from our side to to acknowledge what you said this is a big ask and i think there are things we can do to sort of work within the scope of the whole project to bring it back down so i do think absolutely are but in the absence of any type of threshold or wheels being put on this whatsoever which is fine and sensitive to the fact that we're not saying we need you raise one point two million dollars or whatever that is and that's i'm saying i feel like i feel like the best chance for this is for us to try to go as often as possible and try to her to give it to a reasonable now but it's going to be a tough it's going to be tough narrative and you know i haven't figured out how to along the way because we've decided to move forward with main street which is a twenty three million dollar project and we can't find it within ourselves to  finding it is amazing as a pool isn't as great as we also have to spend money on infrastructure that's just reality and we've got to do that so i don't want to put the two projects against each other or the oceans and i don't think that's particularly a fifteen percent tax increase i don't think that that's assisting with a word to her new i don't i don't i think we need to find a way in the interim to reduce these problems to reasonable rate i don't have a magic number in my mind but that's that's huge that's that's a lot of money and as we sit and have conversations about how we keep the community affordable to how we grow sustainably and create a sustainable tax base you know walking fifteen percent tax increases if people's really challenging ultimately it's your money in these people all get to represent you and if they want to vote to put that forward and do that that's that's the that's the view of democracy it's i'm expressing know something but i think it's important to be alarmists transparent harsh editions i think that's that's really important and the bottle again and i feel strongly it's going to do for from what we stated in during the presentations around main street is that we had projected between a four and six percent or four or six increase in tax rate so again just clarification so lot of different subsidies that go into and we've also proposed two different funding streams that come from economic development one being a one percent sales tax for businesses and the second being a fourth commitment of the portion of the you know from downtown from downtown redevelopment so the additional tax benefit of that so with that in the federal what we hope to be the federal subsidy levels in terms of the performance the big difference between the you know quite frankly i think just repeatedly we said it's hard to turn the business community and say we're going to church one percent tax on that bill the swimming pool versus building you know main street infrastructure of the also serves you as well so the pull on it and the means three by can be approved and then ultimately the council can decide not to move forward with with the projects and i think that off the that in communities where funding streams don't come together to amount of the project that subject to reduction through the receipt of other funds so we are bonding for the full well if we receive other funds either through fund raising on the pool or other grants subsidies that number comes down and therefore the impact on the going to be so for point there are going to be a series of votes that the council has to take and the public will have to take to enable either of these projects to move forward whether it's a local options tax implementation or a future tax  impact decision or a decision to move forward the projects at all so i just want to clarify that it's not that a yes vote tonight on a necessity resolution or a yes vote in the ballot box in august means that anything definitive is happening there are still many series of decision points following and it does send a very clear message to cause what the community values and what we should work on and certainly direction to council but it's one to make sure we understood all the different decision heading in sort of theoretically were things were i also think that the early numbers that were discussed when i attended some of your meetings rule way lower than three point nine million dollars you know i think i saw a couple numbers where and when christie was living in  y meetings that they were just spit balling and saying you know this would be grounded now this and that service but i don't think they were really able to put together kind of any kind of really that's that's those are the things i learned in talking to some other communities that have had success with those types of models it is still a work in the we don't use staff and resources of the city to do that kind of work because ultimately we always need to around and from my kind of point of view based on a day that he was seeing if we got closer to just keeping the facilities similar to what we've had with the maintenance and longevity upgrades that interposed here to extend the life and to make it higher quality infrastructure that scenario is something like a five percent increase in vs eight so for me it's hard to swallow such a massive increase in scope of th facility when the narrative in the community has reopened the pool and i think one of the most important pieces in the larger scope here is about the excess and all entry which is something that you could have within a single competition pool without having to have two separate features and you know these additional nice to have additions to the facility like th mean to me if there had been a discussion at the beginning of here is how we get the pool replaced i think this would have happened much sooner or could have  as we get closer to having a real number of conversations as we look at the real financing packages on these different things at some point there's now have to be some kind of line the as you know this is where we're comfortable this is we're  and we said hey scale this back to the basic take this out take this out and then we want and engineers recommendation of if they could value engineer it down to the base load what would that look like and then we said in the full scope so it's one of those conversations that until you sit in front of people and have it and people ask questions like that you you know always know what questions you need to be answering because there's a lot smarter than us so it's real i mean you know the process so the records please go ahead you discuss you know composing and distributing and i lighting the press release are there plans for ways to physically get to individual property over individual residents for the main street bike was really an educational piece that there was an opportunity to vote so that postcard aired the day of the vote and share the date of the public  hearing we traditionally in the city have not done that for every election we don't do that for a town meeting there we don't traditionally do that for the primaries or this the statewide primaries or the stay away elections which are i guess november election this year why we did that for me she was that it was a special meeting out of the calendar so wasn't being noticed anywhere else in this primary will be publicly noticed through are a statutory requirements as well as a statewide vote so people will know that there's an election coming up we certainly can do more if the council so approved assume tells us to do so we haven't budgeted for that but we certainly can find the money within the budget if you are interested in some kind of promotional material h kind of like after looking back i learned a lesson learned that i wish i had brought up before the main street by a fellow was that some were going to a portion of that letter being translated into a few different languages as well for what we did last time is we have a very i think we did in quick meeting with staff and said your job is informational not content so their job was to say the vote is that at this time in this place and this is what you're voting on in this leaves are the factual components of what that is in that and we do go very deliberately and said when it comes to talking about tax impact and pitch one of our representatives gets up and makes you know and i don't know what the timing of all that is when we have one meeting and so what we had outlined here do that pitch it there when you see wednesday in august which will be the week right before the bond vote and as with any other material so we can move forward with the breadth of why we outlined this on this memo was to say this is how we're going to move forward with a new of cation about the details how you want to politically message to fall into these buckets is up to you but our intention would be to move forward with we're going to do a special tax free mea i think the other good question would be we need to dedicate some type of funds if we could have that prepared is there anything else from a cost perspective we can do and we can use and hold some of that info from the street to find out exactly what the cost yet typically or first there and when we can certainly have sort of a warm like it's more specific we've had for those stock translated languages as if you need this material translated or have questions that you translated contacts and there's still a blank so would be probably the main number here that's kind of been at the recommendation of our person who work with a lot of our american community that sometimes translating the whole enchilada is actually not super helpful but i think we could look at sort of a key phrase or line that sort of at the other questions comments concerns in regards to this issue in the council is a little time formulate that in the yes that's what's been post yes yes and so we're talking about a special subsequent meeting to make sure we discuss that content and sure that they're as close to a fill softball lineup for what the of forward that's going to happen at those meetings looks and sounds like and then they will work from there on doing the message and part and the city part again we keep to being informational i mean when i say city i mean staff when they're doing their jobs in the hall and just to be clear there are some specific activities outlined in package there's a the july twenty fifth the services commission meeting that will be an opportunity to have a refreshments and q and a around which i would view as the council being there to to answer questions along with members of the commission a plan to attend the miniscule wednesday concert event on august first and then there's a public hearing on august sixth so those are so so i think we're we're looking at fairly similar type of activity level there internal controls and now we operate jim and i met last week went through the questions not a lot has changed we haven't really changed how we operate from last year when we did this so  s so we had identified staff and identified as part of our two thousand seven hundred eighteen hala seeds and priority priorities and strategy of meeting implementing a new website as one of our priorities for moving forward this year to help create itself a healthy connected community as we move into the last stage of completing our marketing and branding project we've been concretely moving forward in our efforts to look for a new website founder staff issued a request for proposals for website development design implementation in late march and the city received twelve proposals in response to that our at p we set up an internal selection team that was last on our communications course nater know a lot more about web site design than i do and i would venture any of us to know that team included city manager myself and the community services director the team was unanimous in selecting civic plots as the website vendor of our choice to pick plus question lies in local government websites and services over twenty five hundred municipal  clients in addition civic plus offers functions such as recreation program and facility rental management software and public meeting agenda and minute modules with links reference materials so we were a bunch of different benefits to this vendor which i s is five thousand dollars per year the civic class pricing structure allows the city to redistribute those upfront build out costs across the first three years of our contract with them and we had established as part of our f y nineteen c d c budget ten thousand dollars specifically for the build out of the new website so that pretty much straight back we meet what we're looking at here with the civic plus program in addition community services is using two separate platforms right now for their recreation and their volunteer software my record and will just x this is to manage their recreation registrations their thrive registrations facility reservations and volunteer management my wreck presently cost three thousand five hundred thirty five dollars each annually and will just sticks is about five hundred dollars for twelve months civic wrecked would entail a one time build cost at seventy five hundred dollars which would include the annual service fees for the first year followed by a forty five hundred anal service fee moving forward community services department would plan to absorb the additional annual cost of four hundred seventy three dollars for year two and beyond through their existing operating budget however they'd like to request one time use of department reserves to cover the difference between the currently budgeted annual expenses from i reckon bill just ticks and the one time bil extends a request for use of three thousand four hundred seventy three dollars in departmental reserves so i have everything here in the new basically a layout of what the first second and third year costs would be in terms of the timeline in next steps we need to execute the contract by june twentieth which is two days from now although i have a sneaking suspicion they would extend that or as needed if we don't have a timeline for the full build out of the website yet and that's something that will be determined in the project kick off meeting to be held within the next few weeks after we've signed the contract and happy to take any questions and i have to admit that my knowledge of website that is limited so me and they scott's but i do think it's communications professionals learning  speak you know just one addition in there and you know i'm assuming you're not going to have a whole lot of influence in the direction this takes as you try to build a very functional website is i think this is a really key accessibility tool yes a lot of people s department of transportation grant formerly tiger grants that now been renamed under his administration and much more highly funded than in past years they've tripled the funding to these projects so while these are very competitive federal grants  we are as shovel ready as you can get going into an application for this so we believe we are highly competitive this would be an application current to the u s d a application this is a much larger subsidy then that would significantly lower in the tax free status but feel free to jump in one of the big implications of applying for this and why we want to highlight it for you is that it's due the middle of july so we need your permission to apply before we did that we will hear there are several stages through the process where we will hear for a lemonade and can make a decision based on that we will not know if we are awarded these funds in till december so in change of potentially changes the timeline for making a decision about main street having said that because it's such a significant subsidy to the project we felt like we needed to bring it to you all as an option know that list we gave you a couple maybe two meetings ago with all the next steps associated with main street there are a lot of decision points in that including local options tax and dental work and changes and housing data and whatnot i don't think you're going to get through all of that and make it go to a decision in one or two meetings so i think i think this is kind of sets choose your own adventure decision chart i think there are pieces of that we can decide  and we kind of talked about the project and walked in with them and they thought this was you know how to go for this career so typically these grants you know it's usually up to nine dollars so i'm looking a believer maggot's was we had come back to you and said we were going to make the decision to recommend the decision to move away from the pursuit of early childhood childcare operator at the appliance and i think given some of the challenges we saw through that process we felt like at this time in not sight the stars were not aligning so with that we have a significant grant that we are still trying to leverage towards the betterment of her early childhood efforts in the city and want to come back to you with an alternative proposal plan so th at a high level we're proposing to do is relocate the release of the public library from its current site to a different site within the brand community center for a few reasons number one and go give us it'll give us objectives more square footage to play with anything for anyone who's been in the library there it's fair to say they're doing a lot with not a lot of space it presents an opportunity for more segmented space so it can be one continuous rectangle makes it challenging when you have different types of peaches that you're trying to serve and i think it also doesn't interesting things to the building in that it starts to open up building up to the neighborhood in ways that it hasn't traditionally by having a doctor or kind of opening towards the basketball court there  and the other piece that we're thinking we would do is to try to reposition the current library for printing as our new community room there's a lot of benefits of that number one that's about twice as big as our current space so anyone who's been in a really crowded community dinner i think can attest  that our current setup is not quite accommodating our communities desire to gather and purchase food which is a great problem to have the other nice thing just operationally is that having a community rev that is segmented from the rest of the building which is what that would present makes it a much more functional space for public use during off hours one of the challenges right now is that if you want to have your done on the night her weekend timeframe you get a key to the building and have come around the place which includes a number privately spaces so this would allow us to deal with what's been an operational challenging points so looking at this proposal tonight certainly we tried our best to tie it back to a lot of the objectives of the promise communities initiative grounded in the strengthening families model and i think you can also draw some pretty clear straight lines back to the vision statement here and a lot of the pieces that have been discussed how the engine earlier at the commission levels well just about the libraries from some additional jobs supports so within that public library through the process of community scramble proposing to stand up in early childhood resource which would allow a place for increased programming interaction with clinicians that  so really tonight what we're hoping for is to discuss just from a conceptual standpoint where councils are if there's a desire to see us kind of take this to the next level and do some further refinement we've tried to do kind of at a high level a pretty good job of that certainly there's more details to her and after so we just want to make sure we're not parking completely up there on tree before we start moving down the path of exploring other funding opportunities and kind of taking things along with design know so we had a phone call with them and of course like yours he's not here this evening and we did have a phone call about whereby their basic concern is that we're not using the funding for pieces that are not specifically supporting their early childhood efforts so so long as we can show them that there's a significant significant amount of the piece that we're paying for with acrimony that benefits families and little ones then we're good so with that said there's going to be a need to do some legwork to find a resources for the non early childhood sections of the library move which is again sort of if there's an interest in a concept a lot of the work that would need to then happen over the next months or a month or so for us stuff was to look at what resources within the field i think very much that is the direction that things are going as we did research on kind of building up this model there are countless examples you know coast to coast so he has to situations where folks are actually in some actually employing counselors and social workers through the library to support hearing needs and issues to being one homelessness being another that we're kind of more prevalent recently san jose has a great example they've got i think two or  three social workers on staff who are dealing with a homelessness issue there so agreed that is not sort of the traditional role that librarians have played but i think more and more it is what we are seeing not being asked to do and so i think if this does sort of bring in some of the resources to help them do that more easily and i think to just add to that i think one of the things you're seeing in libraries now is that there are places of things and resources not just books so this fits in with that model bringing the resources to the community where they're used to going for resources but expanding the definition of resources so it's not just a picture book for your four year old but it's a you know a nutritional resource and potentially a social worker waiting in one way or another a specific proposal but i think across piece services this idea of using this promise community grants funding is that we're not we're not then asking community services staff to be child care providers the mission is still to provide programs for children but but we can certainly commission creeping into i think we very much become the conduit to get people to those resources provide provided by professionals who are trained to there is a slight increase to the deficit on the spaces in question that ended up being about six thousand dollars a year to year just clear night looking out what if the spaces were completely full as into the future and sort of what the budget is going to do if we can get to full time and see the that additional six thousand dollars doesn't change the fiscal year when we get from red to like it would still be fiscal year twenty two it's going to be six thousand dollars or less of a curve if you will over the time so that was definitely one of the pieces we looked out pretty hard because again both with the i know well the challenges of finances of building and i'm not trying to pile on there but i think  relatively small difference we can make some significant operational improvements that i think will help functionally and again it doesn't fundamentally change the picture of the budget in a huge way it does change it yet do you have any thoughts about the viability of renting the space do you see any difference there like with this help that it's it's on the same scenario it's well i think that the advantage of the shift that we're proposing is that a couple things can happen number one is there's a tenant within the building who has expressed an interest in additional square footage if we can package the kitchen space and the current community room together that can joins with that town and would give them the square footage they need so we may have a ready tenant for those vacant spaces already which we don't presently have if not doesn't work out i think the other thing we've heard pretty consistently through the kitchen rental process is that having a kitchen with no commercial space or no retail space i challenging it really limits the type of renter that you could find so i think if the internal time it doesn't have a desire to expand after all or that doesn't work out i think packaging the current community room together with the community kitchen create more rentable space frankly because you've got that sort of storefront that kitchen can be supporting and then i think by having a larger community room that's in better shape more functional i do think there's potential there to see that space more actively used i remember making a comment at a meeting about the desire for larger gathering spaces you know i think we certainly see that better in our community times just doesn't accommodate larger community functions that i think are out there so  so i think overall the finances i think it's an easier path forward to get to full tenancy through this with that said could we put change our approach and get those spaces rented more quickly maybe it  come up as a concern especially in recent months we've had a couple incidences that have been somewhat troubling there so we are working with rick to kind of get a system in place that works out there is one that the community outreach team from howard have been using  unfortunately they were having saw some functional challenges with it you know he pushed the button in two hours later somebody would show up which is not really how that supposed to work so we're looking at a couple different vendors to to try to get that solved and that would just be a little come to hand hold but  and it's actually something i mean i have discussed at points in the past well but i think recent incidences of her raise that for us so i think either way that's something that's on our radar in a fairly short term manner you know building security is an interesting question i think it does to my mind and i think we've seen this play out the more positive traffic in in activity space tends to deter challenging behavior i'm in no way going to tell you that we're going to have people you know suddenly no more rocks will ever be thrown on the property or you know any of those kinds of things but i do think having more people through this space using it in a positive way it helps so do you think by having the library angriness which is a very busy space  will be a good thing and again the community room one of the other challenges we've seen is because of the way the buildings set up anybody on the weekend using that space if for whatever reason the door's propped open or you know if they don't pull it tight that whole building is wide open and we've definitely had challenges with that so i do think this helps in the off hours mitigate a security concern so that's actually thank you for that so the other thing really exciting development so we've been working with the school resource officer actually who is going to be based at the at the community center for the summer months so past the opposition after the school year winds down has been based out of the p office here but jason's iyer is going to actually have a desk down there and that's going be his home base during the summer months which is i think a really good thing he's been phenomenal the kids had a really good report and so that's another sort of approach that we're developing to see how that works this summer thank you for the monies really things y conversation and in about ten minutes of spending time with them he was like yes this makes sense he's like the operational things i'm hearing you talk about that this would solve resolve a lot of things and i also think as a department i think i can speak for the group there's a real desire to get more cohesive its heart were scattered to the wind and i think as much as we try staying in touch communicating sharing resources it's not always happening to the degree that it could so i think there's operational efficiency here that location that would be a much improved service for residents overall instead of having to run there to sign up for something to the school to sign up for something to here to sign up for something you go to one stop shop who are you can do all your service needs in one place but for the senior center which will remain but i just in the course of doing that we just have to be very very strictly we're  lisa ball square footage and converting it into our operational square footage and that's that's a decision approving this that we're doing and on a building that's not cash flow properly so that i'm not saying it's right or wrong with the benefits good for the community just think it's it's important we look at it like that because it's a reality and we do it from the budget yes and i think that the proximity of the change to what the current situation is was where my comfort level was i think if i had done the budget modeling and it was going to add another thirty grand a year deficit this we wouldn't be having this conversation but it's close enough that it warranted in my mind some exploration can we do think the operational and sort of if all the pieces come together and fall into place then i think it could do a lot for that center and furthe the overall health and you know sort of well being of that facility in terms of it being it's a community center immerses we've rented it to sort of a ragtag group of tenants so i think the vision of that center is that it is this type of a resource and we've been caught in this perpetual all around this building that it's not financially sustainable so we run the risk of losing the whole thing entirely if we don't fear figure it out combining the community room space with the kitchen makes it more marketable from a tenancy standpoint and that's great and i'd like to see us put some focused energy on testing that  theory and and because i'm hesitant to add more burden to the building without some demonstrative signals that snappin us in the v m is going to close and we're going to be able to make a move on the kitchen and the community room because we haven't just sort of been in this holding pattern on those on those vacant and so the budget yes the budgets you've given us paint a picture but they assume a reality that hasn't come to pass her so we needed to make that reality come to pass i think and so what i mean and this is a discussion item we're going to have to i guess give us a signal or a sense of whether or not we think you should put some more energy into figuring out how to make the financing of it work i'd also like as part of that report back said to be sort of what's the status of snap and you v m what's the status of options for the other side  so that's one piece the other piece is on the operations side i want to be really careful that we're not going to be back around budget time saying do know the position for the library or we need we need to sort of add staff so that we can really make this work so it's different to move from concept an idea and i'm already doing this is kind of my job but once you have a forum for for people to actually go to and yes this is where where i expect i'm going to have a need managers and that puts pressure on the staffing model so i think we need to just make clear what our expectation is in terms of this transition that it isn't going to lead to an expansion of service delivery from coming from the city but it's a allocation of city space to external partners  and then the last question i have is how are we going to spend one hundred eighteen thousand dollars on early childhood specific investments and that's so withi these are items that were sort of discussed the high level of the father relieving to improvements to the facilities so having of windows for natural lighting updating some of the public meeting space within the library in particular to support meetings with case manager social workers supervised visitation which is all stuff we're seeing now happening to really open public space which is not appropriate some work to potentially open up the floor plan or shift the floor plan that's depending on the head nods to night and which direction they're going that's work we would commence you know tomorrow with with an architect to look at design elements looking at some movable partitions so that would allow for some flexible space whereby portions of the facility could be used for play groups larger family meetings parents occasion classes but then also open for general public use when that's not happening i'm sort of really looking at the flexibility of the space making some improvements ideally to the bathroom facilities those are not currently great and i can see this firsthand as a still deeper changer for anybody with little ones it's not an ideal setting we've also looked at the need for some better shoving a furniture for little ones right now  we're making do but that's definitely an area where i think some sort of less permanent fix pictures and improvements could be done official and then also really interested dependent on how the costing goes with these other pieces looking at and how to repla structure that's actually something the funder was very interested in the type that side of town is really lacking for any sort of play structure for that age group so looking at the possibility of using some of the outer space in the back of the building to have that  other questions comments concerns or most importantly i think things that we want to see brought back i mean i'd just echo that i think i would like to hear if there's any potential walls up coming memo from a son to myself in the leadership team on the reporting structure the discussion we had around moving the economic vitality language to the planning commission for discussion during the master planning process and series of my grandparents and i meant it set of policy priorities and strategies based on our conversations so if you don't might have just highlight the major things that changed from what we presented on june second starts promote businesses and employment retention and expansion we flesh that out a bit more based on the conversation we had in the room around looking at the parcel data analysis and how we can use city resources to promote to create opportunities for locally owned business start ups and expansions and planning perspective and work first perspective and then consider the impact of those promotion and retention efforts on the citywide financial sustainability so we tried to capture that and the intent of that conversation but if we haven't captured it well we have course welcome feedback to see the other things i wanted to highlight were  on the housing strategic vision area again that first box there we tried to be more articulate about what we were actually going to just do to support the housing commission planning commission again our personal data analysis establishing the targets of the programs to look to incentivize those targets and updating for peace code and then the other big change we need was in this safe healthy connected people strategic vision area we had this great connect conversation on june second around the strength of our diversity and how we're connected to one another and how we are being inclusive so we separated out the work that staff will do around programming and the work that the council articulated wanting to do around elected and appointed officials so i'm hopeful that we've captured the conversation but if you have any edits or suggestions you would like to make to this document and you certainly can do that or we can take feedback to you and provide you a final draft for adoption at our spend more time instead of talking i think there is widespread acceptance because we move the conversation pretty quickly you know not people working on the focuses of that world and how they were doing it and i would actually like to see us come back reflective of you know one of the really interesting thoughts that came out about concerns about home literally whether or not people were being in our present to put back in the people's mind because i know i love that mean feel a lot about my responsibility not just looking so we're passing this back to the committees and commissions to work on these issues what we talked about was not what we want to work on we talked about how the work on  providing more former pastor guidance to them about the work so from my opening was an obvious example we should be giving that everyone is appointed we should be giving them the and then your ethics policy that we had dropped every year that should guide the i work i see this almost as an inclusive of the value policy that we adopt as a community that says in each of our individual roles whether it's a staff role or an elected role or an appointed role these are the values we bring to that professionalism and if we don't that is a policy that then provide it to them as their appointed this is our expectation of how you're going to do the work it's not necessarily changing our vision statement it's more saying these are the guiding principles open meeting law ethics inclusive eighty that we expect you to bring to the table when you do the work and i see that as becoming the lens of you know what i don't know if that's th down the road but just the thought popped into my head from the from the conversations question that i think you guys did the best you could to work that into this document but if we missed an opportunity to really address that i really want to yeah i mean i think what i would i like that use of the framework to incorporate the net value through a policy or whatever or you know whatever the specific vehicle is and i think part of what we talked about was counsel having the benefit of training and so i'd like to see  professional and what's the best way to really infuse these values throughout this orientation and miss it is it is it through a policy statement is it and if so then what right because the risk you run is words on a page start actually get translated into action so big to me that that's the more the really interesting conversation is on how do you support people so vitality consider how i consider how consider our i'm not sure what that what it means to consider so are we saying that we want to prioritize city reason i mean there's there's no direction necessarily there in terms of should we be using city resources to create her yeah we were actively trying not to be that strong because we don't know what that looks like you know we were trying not to not box he went to a you have to approve this recommendation that comes forward but we're going to give you some options of is that we're really clear with one another what is intended so that's why i asked what it meant i'm happy to use strong language given that it is a annual document that we revisit if it turns out that their recommendations are totally unworkable or foreclose other options other concerns comments missions additions so you have a document in the post issue is compliance procedures this is actually presented to us by a blind council on recommended that we adopt these procedures as a method for tracking the compliance with federal laws for tax exempt that this is something that we want in this bill bombing likes to see the adopted by communities that would ban it is something that we would need to maintain our time as a last change but it is highly recommended that we approve it so there was the financial covenant that was approved in the original document that was very complex and we've been going back and forth for a number of years since the inception about how to calculate it because the bank can't calculate it out of our financial statements some of these numbers don't exist in the way that our financial statements are presented and in addition with the way that the current language is set up we are unable to use money that we have set aside  prior years to pay down our debt because it runs on net operating so revenues minus expenses if that's ever negative we don't meet the one to one ratio under the current definition we've talked to the bank and they agreed that that was not the intent of the language that it is not feasible for us to not be able to use reserves to pay down that stat and we've come up with a much simpler calculation that uses fund balance they don't commonly have debt service review and she's said that it looks fine to her and it just to be clear it doesn't change any of the finances of the tiff district it's still only a clarification of how we calculate debt service coverage ratio and they were able to share that there's just been a really solid start to the community outreach team effort and i would say as a community services director too that's been a really nice tool in the tool box for us to deal with some key members who are struggling and need some softer months to put into place at payscale for the fire department that didn't previously previously exist that's linked to capacity and link to training that's been achieved by our officers is a huge step into professional department we have more people trained on more things now that we have in the past twenty years and that's all been done as we brought on a new truck so it's a huge step towards the professionalization of that department and i've