but that's that's why i'm asking i was sure we would have none but if the school district has responsibility in some way then i would say yes if the school district does not have responsibility now my concern would simply be you know if there was i y within the booster groups in terms of absconding with funds or anything like that obviously that's an issue outside but if the school that does have the same kind of responsibility if they go under in terms of their financial abilities or capabilities i'm with you i think we need to deal with that but if we don't have responsibility then i think we should be careful with making a policy that requires us to be notified if their funds go on so i guess my point is if we have responsibility for that i'm all for if we don't i think we should stay away from that point so well miss going to sell point to page seven of eight number three hundred general expect expectation the board is not assume financial responsiblity for booster support group and excludes itself from any liability so the reason i mention that about what mr merrill talking about that says to me we don't have liability if they go under financially so from that perspective i would argue we shouldn't have any more limitations about being notified but the point is well taken but it's in there number three there were not so for y seminar actually it was conducted upper st claire from the state the head of the state booster club for pennsylvania to put on an act i don't know what you all think of this i think this may be asking too much but this was  recommendation from her it says it is also recommended that all booster club treasures are the individuals handling money for the club people on did i think that's probably asking a lot for volunteer but that's what they recommended in that seminar  but in all due respect if we're looking at organizational structure if we're looking at the fact that this board is governor to meet robert's rules of order the reality is that first sentence nominating committee  right oh so that would be the one thing i am ok but the other thing i would say is in this is all due respect to the booster group because we're going to do fantastic work but if you can't get people to want to be officers i question whether you should be in existence i  i know if we have a problem at the church i understand that but it doesn't mean we should just back out of it because it's a hard and difficult thing again i wonder i question whether or not they should be in in organization and operation if they can't give people a nomination committee if you're so dedicated to a booster then you know you should be wanted to serve if you want the good of what the bush group is providing you should be able and willing to get not practically i understand that's difficult but is that going to dictate how we do policies because it's difficult you know i don't i don't that i don't buy the i don't buy we should have a part of a policy because it's difficult we're setting them up to violate your policy by making this a part of the policy and i don't believe in that because if we're not going to enforce it but i have experienced and volunteer to some it's my hope location and i'm going to tell you this right now this concept of i'm the only one when you have somebody who's dedicated themselves to that kind of a volunteer situation and structure there are other people who tend to say i'm not going to get involved because x y and z has done it for years and they've done it the way they want to and i got to tell you i've had experience in this what i've said to somebody who's done it for let's say ten years in a row they've said to me why i'm not going to and i'll keep doing this no one else will do it as soon as they stepped aside and they said i'm not going to do this anymore somebody else has to every single time in twenty plus years of serving in my vocation i've seen somebody else steps up takes over and does a great job doing so sometimes the limitation is the person themself from serving because for whatever reason people might not want to work with them or there's various reasons but this concept that it's beginning and end why are we voting every single month on this little carwash of brewster's and that a simply coded in some way like aids are all need to be approved else on the other bees are you know whatever i guess my point as a board member is i just get tired of having to do that every month if we could have one list to begin the year of known projects and then as they what the sports that i've been involved with have given their wards of the in the here and frankly maybe i'm looking attention but i've never heard from anybody in the booster groups that i work with what the criteria are for these awards yeah those are probably number about three or four months ago because i'm glad that this is in here because if it's not in there in a bush a group can say we're having a candy sale and if you don't sell candy you can't participate in this and i gave an example at the top of one that i was involved and to me how can we allow those two groups to do that what if you get a child who has family or her family does not want to participate in that i mean i can't tell you how many little ones at my church come up front and they're hawking whatever thing that they want to there was a group want to talk it becomes a complete disaster you know that and then if you don't support this little one you got you know so you have a practical problem but if we leave it w in fact i can stuff for the auditors made it very clear that that's one of our areas of risk in my building was the amount of funds the trip the transactions frequencies there's a number of issues that they brought up to us regarding this very  were the only ones in the room at the time that the problem happened were the one who was to group insufficient funds and a lot of the changes in this policy happened because mrs air burke was a board member instituted a lot of these rules for these groups ok there were very little oversight over those groups at that time and that was not two years ago it was a three and a half years ago that happened and part of this annual report and monthly financials is how to resolve that because mr guy are a little more heads up on what's happening in our in our budgets we show what we're going to be spending money on where our money's coming from and it's all right there ok so i don't think you need additional oversight over these crews because i think you corrected the problem with the last change if you follow what i'm saying because we get an annual report so i don't i don't know that you need more oversight i think most of the crooks are doing a pretty good job so i don't know that we need to correct the problem twice  theater program is more of a we give scholarships and if you're not an active member of the association your son or daughter is not part of the requirements ar available for those scholarships so we control that within our organization if somebody does not want to participate in the booster group that's fine if there's we give out seven scholarships for seniors and there's twenty five seniors in the theater department but only ten or active members there are only ten that are available or of eligible for those scholarships ok we do handle that within our own groups and the most part  line but that's the i have a problem that i know and i think this is but i think mr obama made a fantastic point last time we brought this up that needs to be brought up again and it i can give you a personal example because it relates i'm a wife has been doing a  farm campaign simmons farm for a number of years which is purely educational she's a professor at university of pitt she does the summer camp once a week for six weeks number of kids come to them you know there's a fee that goes along with that but this is not a profit generating fitness it's more for the teaching element the kids are so their supplies and that have to be paid for and if we leave the word nonprofit in there you're excluding people who are providing educational services to our young people in the community and i think that that's been i think a stone made this point last time i think that's nonprofit you don't have to register with the congress but you have to be accepted you have to be accepted in that they all i'm saying is it's a process and for somebody who's doing something like i've just articulated it's not worth going through that produce the six week thing once a year and i guess all i'm saying is regardless who's doing it regardless what that is for if it has an educational value to it that benefits our school students in this just i think we should make provision for that because that's what we want in the summer we want our kids to continue their education and learning that's one of the biggest complaints about taking the time off that we take between june and august in terms of academic community is kids go backwards into learning instead of maintain a go for i mean as a personal example my kids have academic time every because there's more than just the one i've ordered to kill if there's more than that but yet we will send out all of these notices about fundraisers how does that benefit the academic integrity of our students and that the kids in this district to continue to learn and yet we're going to tell s well i guess that i guess the language that i would propose at any stage you can decide to put it wherever you want to but would simply have a tag to it that as a criterion to be advertise it must have an educational  component to it for our kids in this district so if that means you know huntington or whatnot the point there being it's advancing their academic you know promise of  that is simply put in i don't have any ownership to where it needs to go but if that is added as a additional qualifier to be allowed to be advertised i think you open up yourself to having things  and i think dr french is a proposed might be the best way you could have a separate scenario for summer because i agree i don't want to be inundated with a thousand different things like that bucked maybe the summer we need to have some special guidelines where we let go of this or that so that the kids are able to continue to learn and continue to grow up a democrat for the summer even if that means somebody gets proper by doing it don't know of a single thing that johnston's gives to the school they don't and yet you talk about profit making oh my lord same with now i understand i'm just this is the easiest one is the most recognizable one but i mean even at a college level the same thing  amy myers and i'm here representing both the marching band and the theater and in both of those organizations we do have like a fifty fifty type drawing and we also provide baskets where the patrons can like a little lottery ticket in and win some of those baskets do we do collect the dollar lottery tickets and we put them like on a i think the intent is a cover yourself i think but there's stretching a point is what emergency could actually be a medical system is there are other ways they believe it or yes i think you have stood was in a wheelchair a stretch of maybe he'd help getting into the chair what is that medical assistance for and if there's some definition issues there