good evening everyone welcome to council chambers this evening we are doing a slightly different arrangement this evening the board and council both went into session early at five thirty this evening for a special joint session  both board and council went into closed session for the review of a legal opinion and we have exited that closed session and the board of public works is seated behind the dias tonight so we apologize to them for having our awful names in front of where they sit but it's sort of a makeshift arrangement at this point and the board is going to continue its meeting at this point and then the council will continue into its meeting so at this point i will happily turn the microphone and the meeting over thank you yes and the item that we're going to be covering tonight is an item dealing with a resolution in response to franchise ordinance that has been proposed by lake town township that is the one item that we have on the agenda i think to get started if you're ready to go into that item we will have the city attorney delineate some of the  a potentially communications from the audience first yes want to make sure that we do provide the opportunity for people from the audience to address a board so at this point we are going to open up communications  from the audience in addressing the board if you please state your name and your address and please remember there is a limitation of five minutes or so and so we are open for communications from the audience at this at this point would anybody like to address the board oh yes we do here we go after this ending several hours on the phone with the residents i am certain and completely convinced that all of the six hundred thirty residents in this affected franchise do not want to lose their reliable board of public works electrical service as well as their affordable rates therefore we are requesting from the board of public works board of directors to consider and allowing these residents at this time to review and octane more options of what is actually available to them the reasons being that there has been a lack of cooperation lack of communication lack of sincerity and simply residents not being properly informed and advised of correct dates of the meetings held at the breakdown town hall also knowing that these like town residents were not aware for the past years of how the franchise actually works and affects them in such a direct and positive way not only for the current generation or for but for future generations to come our question is why should six hundred thirty residents suffer the consequences due to the unwillingness to cooperate from town township board of directors we are asking to please consider giving these special residents in all the condo associations additional time to pursue another avenue and or option to keep the board of public works in this area and we thank you very much and appreciate your consideration we thank you for coming this evening with anybody else like to address the board e children well here in holland you know and we're pretty much being pushed away and it's very hard to restart so you know it's it's heartbreaking to find out just like that you know you just got to move out of pretty much you know but here's this for you and you know pretty much we haven't even know how much is just for you but we want to today it's very hard to find a job as well you know here around here and to relocate is very hard as well so what is the process and if you have not been contacted by b p w as as of you speaking this evening we will make sure that the proper people do contact you to let you understand what the process is and also the timing so that been in contact with you at we do have staff members here mr nally in the back dan could you raise your hand please if you could see him before you leave so that we make sure we have your name and address because we do want to make sure you're very straightforward as we can be and informative so you can understand what what's coming up and we thank  does anybody else wish to address the board at this time once ok the same comment i would have again mr nally in the blue shirt in the back before you leave this evening if you could make sure you give him your name address and contact information it will make sure that you are also informed and based on what we've heard from both of you we will try and also step up our process and making sure that we are being as informative as possible to all of the people that are affected both residential and commercial enterprises that are there so thank you for letting us know thank you if i can add on maybe a couple comments there just just it again talk about process here a little bit you know when when the decision was made on the location for the power and that those letters establish that there was going to be a relationship the board and the city have hired coldwell banker to as you know professionals in this area of not only dealing with the acquiring of property but also working with the residents in terms of providing a package for relocation assistance and helping them find alternative you know places to live that those letters went out immediately the next day to establish that relationship since that time coldwell banker has been following up with each of the property owners either getting together with them face to face or through verbal  to do property appraisals and then as a result of that property appraisal we will be developing packages for consideration for the property owners and  an obligation that we have as well to pay more than fair market value when we look at the appraisals that come in the process will be to develop packages that you know are one hundred twenty five percent of fair market value so  you know we are working through that we hope to have those appraisals understood here soon so that we can get those packages to property owners for their consideration as soon as possible the other the other thing i would mention is that there will be relocation assistance and the other thing that i would mention is that timeframe wise and we have a lot of information on our website to deal with schedule but this was also conveyed from coldwell banker is that you know ultimately we're looking at having properties acquired and vacant sometime late in the spring of two thousand and fourteen so you know  were several months out yet from that process we understand it's a disruption it's an impact and it's very you know we want to be sensitive and work with and communicate with all the land owners and property owners in that area and people that are impacted by this decision and you know we're committed to doing that and that's why we try to get you know those those communications going out immediately and with continued follow up so we will continue to do that but i agree is anybody else wish to address the board at this time topic again this dates back quite some time now that we've been discussing renewal of franchises just remind the board and those in the audience what a franchise does a franchise is necessary for us to be able to conduct electricity and actually conduct a retail business in the electric utility in the township areas ok we serve in the townships of  park holland lake town and fillmore and enabling that are franchises those franchises also are intended to give the township control of the right away  and the use of the right away which the b p w does use for you know extending services to customers in those townships areas just this last november we were reaching the end of a thirty year period of time for the previous franchises that were expiring at that time they were put in place in one thousand nine hundred two they were thirty year franchises that were first made revokable by the boards that adopted them in the various townships and then by being placed in front of the voters of those townships they all became irrevocable those voters in those townships realize the value of having that utility there and committed for a long period of time and we certainly as a utility appreciated that commitment from those customers as well as we were making substantial investments in generation transmission and distribution infrastructure to serve those customers in those townships those those franchises all were set to expire in november of this this year this past year we started a process over a year ago of working with all of the townships to try to reach resolution of a renewal of a franchise and actually in august of last year township did move forward and put a revokable franchise in place that was later that year voted on by the constituents in the township and made irrevocable hauen township was the first to move forward on that and they did all that prior to the expiration date took a little bit more time with park and fillmore and lake town we started a process of additional discussions with each of those townships there was concern about issues of representation a desire of a stronger voice from the townships present within the governance of the board and also there were concerns about fairness and equal treatment among each of the townships that one thing would not be granted to one township and not conveyed to the other others and so through a process of months of discussion  and working out issues arrived at some elements to enhance the previous franchise that we had previously had in place by adding one ex officio member from among the four townships ex officio means non voting but still able to deliberate in all issues of the board and even participate in close sessions of the board and all all deliberations that person is actually serving on the board now since july one has is that ex officio member and so we have that in place at this point in march of this latter we also added a provision in the  franchise under section seventeen which was called a corresponding benefit or a meet to provision centrally what it did is it ensured that we would not treat one franchise or one township differently in the other in terms of providing some sort of inducement for granting a franchise and so we think that we reached through good faith discussions with all those townships a good place at the end of end of the day  park in fillmore also thought that and unanimously at their boards voted revokable franchises in place there are provisions in those franchises that would call for them to put that in front of their voters and i believe they intend to do that by the general election of two thousand and fourteen in an attempt to make those irrevocable would lay town we have not been able to reach agreement with the same terms and conditions and the border remember that back in june of this year we informed and as we have all along through this process since november of last year we have informed late town township that we have been  since since franchise expired we have lost the legal right to continue to serve electric in that township and that is not a situation that we can let continue and so in june of this year the board and the council both passed resolutions that established the date the date of july thirty one as a date at which we would require a franchise be approved a thirty year franchise be approved from late town consistent with the franchises that have been put in place and park in fillmore and only different from holland by the effect of the addition of section seventeen which was a fair and equal treatment provision r franchises sensually lake town did is they have added a section seventeen b which says that if the b p w would ever build generation or town township for those facilities that's problematic because it's different and unique from the other township franchises it also is problematic because while there is no transmission currently in town township there are three substations and miles of transmission service that run through hollin township and essentially that would be indicating to one township that a pilot is justified a payment of taxes is justified for facilities that another township would not be the beneficiary of and so the other thing that is problematic about that is that generation and transmission facilities really go to support the entire system including those that receive power in holland city or any of the four surrounding townships and so you know while this transmission does exist and how and township customers actually benefit from the transmission that is and in holland township all along what we want is we want to have uniformity among these these franchises we agree with the fair and equal treatment provision we know that the township through its open letter to the constituents of the township indicated that two things that they would like to see and if you look at the title that open letter it says an equitable franchise we agree with that equitable among all the townships and fair treatment and equal treatment among how we treat all of our customers and i think that that's what we proposed the township has also suggested they were concerned about the decision about the location of the new power plant and wanted to wait until that decision had had happened even though for time and time again we had told the lake township board that we have no plans on building electric generation in their township the decision to build this new gas plant was not going to be located there still we said that we would be making a decision sometime in the summer and we did that that decision was not to build in lake town township and so we had hoped that that issue was resolved and so we are  at this point is instead we have this this franchise that includes seventeen b that has problems associated with it i would ask the city attorney to also review some of the other provisions of the franchise and the resolution that was passed by the lake town board so that they could under the board and those in the audience can understand some of the other concerns with the action that was taken there well thank you dave what i'd like to do tonight the board has in front of it a resolution that has been prepared the sum and substance of this resolution would be for p w board to recommend to the city council to reject the late town township franchise which was considered by like town township at their meeting on july twenty nine  that document is that attached to the resolution before the board tonight and the second part of this resolution would be that the people continue its process of  terminating distribution service to the six hundred thirty customers in like town township now let me try to explain as simply as possible because we have a multi page resolution before the board this evening what the fact of adding seventeen b to the resolution or to the franchise by like town is in our relationship with the three other townships what seventeen b says summarized by general manager castor is that if generation or transmission facilities would be constructed built  or quired in like town township a pilot payment a payment in lieu of taxes would have to be paid by the city to like town township based upon the township milledge existing at that time during the t franchise because we had reach agreements with fillmore and park that contained what is called a corresponding benefit or meet to provision this paragraph would be immediately injected into their franchises because it is an additional financial and handsome and negotiating to an established and an electric franchise which was negotiated with those townships so this isn't just a lake town township issue it has a domino effect on those two townships in their franchises the other impact that it has is that as the general manager has indicated in august how an township went out and approved a franchise and its voters approved it that does not have this me to provision in it so the consequence of adopting the lake town franchise would be to essentially freeze out holland township which has three substations and that and miles and miles of k v one thirty eight transmission line in it because of the need to loop the system to provide additional reliability and integrity to the  distribution system that serves the holland area so as the general manager is indicated what i know its face appears to be something that's pretty neutral does have a domino effect into townships and an adverse effect on township we have before the board tonight and i'm not going to go through it line by line a resolution that summarizes what the past negotiations have been how we have been fortune and enough to reach consensus with how i'm township park township fillmore township and why the lake town township franchise should not be considered for adoption now obviously this is a policy decision by the board it's a policy decision by the city council but the draft resolution would have the  board take the following actions first of all that it would recommend to the city council to adopt a resolution consistent with the findings that are in this resolution and number two that it would reject the late towne township franchise dated july twenty ninth two thousand and thirteen that it would have the board communicated section to like town township and its individual trustees and that the staff of the b p would continue the process of terminating disk distribution service to customers in like town and i want to mention one other item  included with the adopted franchise by like town township was a resolution the resolution in the preamble section which is typically devoted toward giving the background for the basis of action by a governmental body indicates that the township does not object to the b p w continuing to serve the six hundred and thirty customers that currently serves but clearly indicates that it is not granting a franchise other than the franchise that is that attached to the resolution it further indicates that the b p w would not be able to expand its system  and that this is merely a not not an objection to the b p w s presence in the township there's nothing affirmative in the resolution that grants any rights to the b w their right to franchise is a constitutional right that units of government have in the state of michigan the case law in this area clearly indicates that if a franchise is going to be granted it has to be done through a legislative act by the township and that typically is done to the adoption of an ordinance which has been done in holland township park township and fillmore township so the resolution that has been drafted to the board tonight again as indicated would recommend to the city council to reject the like downtown for a franchise and continue the process of terminating distribution service to customers only time township now i know that the board has a meeting its regular meeting scheduled for monday august twelfth we have certainly covered tonight and you have a very detailed resolution before you it may be that the board will want to take action this evening or defer action until its meeting august well thank you yes mr chair you know i think it is obvious that we must reject the township suggestion in the view of consistency but i'm also struck by the number of lake town township residents who addressed this meeting at our in our joint meeting earlier and it was the that we do anything we can to enable them and lake town township as much time as possible to perhaps come to a resolution that would perhaps give the ordinance that we require and so i would move to respect to those people that we delay the vote on this decision until monday evening at a regular schedule at our regula kegel meeting not that the outcome isn't debate but to provide them with the additional time they so eloquently asked us for the c evening and previously in your putting it in the form of the motions on the i would support that motion fill there is a motion by miller and a supporter by go any further discussion or comments before the vote mr story mr chairman i do have a couple of questions  for either the city attorney or the general manager to your knowledge has there been any recorded vote of the township government model ordinance that park township trustees and fillmore township trustees and trustees voted for their jurisdictions well i have not been a party to all of their various meetings i can tell you that the franchise that they develop and that they approved july twenty nine is identical to the park and the fillmore franchises with the exception of the addition of  seventeen so that that is the only additional element in the like town township franchise which on its face seems to have a fairly neutral effect but as i indicated it trips large substation and transmission facilities from having any kind of a benefit and therefore that is one of the foundational basis for the recommendation in the resolution i think if you look at the that same time my recollection is they did not act on that intel july twenty nine and it wasn't a rejection of the previous one it was amendment amending that but again neither of us were at the meeting to know the specifics of that but i understand that was from the correspondence received more of an offered amendment to that that was passed i don't know that there was ever a vote on the  together communication to customers and lake town that showed by consumption level what the rate differential was that chart that we had presented showed the rates that are in effect both for consumers energy as of that time and also our rates that were in effect after july one of this year where was our last rate adjustment was implemented so they are that chart and are our demonstrations to the customers that we've sent through the mailings to them is representative of currently effect and finally mr chairman one more question for the benefit of the many who are sharing our meeting which is an unusually large audience for important public works board session mr kost is there any rate differential between the rates paid by customers of the board of public works who reside within the city limits of of holland versus those who reside outside the city limits no thank you thank  a meeting and to board meeting ahead of time as i mentioned earlier we are ready when the session upstairs for the purposes of going into a closed session which means that we have handled the first item on the agenda which is the  if you're so inclined ask you to join in prayer god or we approach you thankful for the creation you have given us and the beauty that we see all around us we are grateful for your presence among us and i ask that you guide us tonight as we meet to decide on matters that affect our community allow us to be ever mindful that our actions are meant to serve others and that the character of what we do and how we do it should be the very reflection of your love and grace me or mine speak lear you david there are paper copies of this evening's agenda located in the rack in the rear of the room or at least there were at one point perhaps with this kind of crowd we may be out of them however if you have an electronic device with you we do have wireless in the building and if you poke around a little bit you can find somebody who knows password and certainly get that to you if you go to the cities website to go to today's date you'll find not only a copy of the agenda for this evening's meeting but actually a copy of all the background material that councils reviewed in preparation for the evening's evenings meeting that information typically is on the city's website by friday before the meeting happens so that the public can know what it is we're looking at as we prepare for the items that we will deal with this evening you'll note as you review that agenda that there are a variety of items on it that have an asterisk next to them these are what we call the consent agenda items though they are dispersed throughout the agenda our intention because we think these are relatively routine items and things that councils discussed before our intention is to handle them wherever they show up on the agenda with one motion and one vote right now before we do that however we want to first let you know what is on that and then give the opportunity for anyone in the audience to remove an item from consensus or of course give members of council the option of doing that as well so before we get to that and if you might read for us what is presently on tonight's con to approve the minutes of the regular meeting held july seventeenth special and study session will help july twenty fourth two thousand and thirteen item eleven a trick that's been filed executed oath of office item fourteen b one and nine hundred eighty city's insurance carrier and city attorney for consideration item fourteen be true to approve an agreement with general code advocation in the amount of three thousand one hundred seventy five dollars for the on line presentation of the city's charter code  for phase two services of the waterfront redevelopment project an authorized city manager to execute the letter of understanding with the cost to be funded by the municipal capital improvement on i'd import one point two to to list them property room that time for sale item fourteen east point three to approve the bid submitted by extreme engineer floor systems in the amount of one thousand eight hundred fifty dollars for the replacement floor at the waverly f for the transportation services department and to declare as surplus by trade of one and one that item forty three point six two approve the bid in the amount of seventy three thousand five hundred dollars for the purchase thank you and all right so what we intend to do is what i'm a with a commotion and a vote on all of these items now perhaps you're here on one of or one of them and if so here's your chance to take it off of the consent gender as we can take it where it shows up ordinarily in  all right thank you then we go to item seven which is special presentations and recognitions otherwise we could have put it on here as the precursor to ice cream that is i think why a sizable number of people are in chambers this evening and  served with us on the mac transit for a couple of years and he by the way did a great job we had a hard time having students continue on that board he set us all up and now they are very excited to be having students join them  committee and was with us for for one year and his family is moving to japan so he was very disappointed to have to leave abby greater risk served on the recreation committee great work both serve and social services as well as on our boards offer as much if not more insight on many issues than the adult members and a special plug for ariano she was the first member of our  know her wouldn't be surprised to know so all of you and to those who were not present this evening you know we have a half of the entire city and really the entire community want to say our thanks and our best wishes and don't be a stranger holland is your home right now and we hope it will be again soon if you're going off to some other place at the risk of sounding like a broken record i have said before and want to continue to say that so often our students during the day in school have to take time to learn organic chemistry calculus and its history in government and yet so often once they leave school we treat them as though they're children even though they're studying things during the day that most of us couldn't and certainly wouldn't want to so again i don't want our students to ever think that someday they might be leaders in this community i want them to be understanding the realization that they are leaders in this community today right now and it's as much their town their community as it is for any of us over eighteen the audience and again to all of our students thank you for your willingness to serve with a forward to great things from you and even though none of us get to enjoy the ice cream right now please know that you can stay if you want to you you thank you thank you everyone is always one of those annual meetings of the city council where we longingly look upon those who leave and see through the open doorway the large table set up with ice cream robinson public hearings that we have the first one regards a vacation of about sixty six feet by two hundred twenty feet of the ninth street right of way i'm not sure who is going to introduce this item for us but whoever is blue coming to the microphone right now mark approaches the podium i just want to say something that's not in the resolution deals with the compensation which was addressed when city council looked at this parcel and terms of yet i believe the council has before and amended report that does indicate that this was dressed by the council at its june nineteenth when it approve the purchase agreement with hope college  for street purposes it is however encumbered by some utilities there's will some storm water improvements in there as well as sanitary sewer and i believe a water line and maybe even some electric u tilities are located in there so the planning commission i looked at this they held required a public hearing on june eleventh and unanimously recommended to the city  right thank you questions for that the site i'm seeing on this requires a public hearing this is the time and place for it if you're here to address counsel on this particular item we invite you forward at this point to the microphone and counsel the rules  relatively simple people who addressed health need to state their name and residential address for the record we have up to five minutes to address counsel indicated by the lights that will turn on in front of me the yellow light comes on with one minute left and read  you the next item is a little back one ninety eight i believe tax abatements from friends magic manufacturing greg would you introduce this one for sure they're located on forty eighth street they deal in a number of  different applications with the automotive industry appliances power tools electric lighting industries as well as significant projects in terms of dollar investment in the company and in the community projects to be just began on january one two thousand and thirteen and has to expand until december thirty one two thousand and fifteen or investing seven hundred fifty thousand dollars in building improvements and stated we're excited about the growth that we see in our business and the opportunity we have to make a substantial investment in property and as a result of that we have built three eight at least twenty five high question regarding the jobs that you hope to be creating the compensation range for those to your jobs you have an idea of what that might look like yeah there's quite a range we actually have some more in the lower range of the twelve anybody else that wishes to address the public you're seeing none i will declare the public hearing to be closed and leave we have a motion or  regarding park hours we have a resolution to adopt this ordinance as an emergency measure which means that it takes effect immediately not as our ordinance adoption usually do after twenty one days that's how they are that's how they're term amendment right now the ordinance states must be closed between midnight and three am and it's not clear the council has the ability to adjust the hours otherwise so what we're doing here is we're making that  clear that you do have that ability in our parks and recreation facilities and you just need to do that high resolution so we've had some conversation here over the last meeting or so about having an opportunity to do that just make sure you're considering for that but we would because they shovel the snow off the skate park use it in winter thank you very much all right anyone else care to address council on this site help close the public hearing and before us tonight we have this adoption ordinance and it's a resolution yet there is a resolution because we're recommending to counsel tonight to adopt this is an emergency ordinance this will not go through a second reading and the resolution requires a six vote by the city council  would be an adoption tonight with an immediate effect a date there would still be a publication of the ordinance under the charter but the effective date would be tonight and would be postponed for twenty one days all right takes us then to item twelve this is communications from the audience this is the opportunity for members of the public to address council on items that do not otherwise show up on tonight's agenda so hypothetically if you're here to talk about beekeeping for example that will be coming up as the next agenda item but for anything that's not on the agenda here's the chance to address council all we ask is you step over to the microphone and follow the same name and address for the record protocol the microphone is someone we do not know who reports say that there were chickens being raised at our address and that this could become a big problem we are not raising we are caring or  right thank you mind i suggest that i don't know at this point what is on our study session but perhaps once we get the and send you giving a packet to the city clerk you will be ok that will then be distributed by email to the council will also show up in the meeting minutes of this of this meeting might i suggest we have an agenda item next week whether in the study session or not the city manager and i can work out the details on that that given given the enforcement deadline that is upcoming i think it would be prudent for us to at least give an indication to our resident what council would like to do or may not like to do about this particular matter and since this is the first that most of us are hearing about it i'd like us to look into it a little bit more since we have a meeting before the enforcement deadline comes due that's ok with you we will take it up next week in one form or another thank ok any other questions then just think it's such a civilised society that has the third amazing report about the chicken and such advocacy and the part of her foster parents that it's really heartwarming she's great with is great i can see there's a lot of love going on there ye right the microphone is still open and well all right then we move to the item that was removed from consent which is fourteen b want to report the planning commission an ordinance meant regarding honeybees to place on first reading and let me just explain what what the council may or may not do tonight when we adopt an ordinance we place the matter on first reading and then we have it up for second reading two weeks later and before the second reading happens or at the time of the second reading we have a public hearing as to whether or not to adopt that ordinance so certainly you know many of you came out long into the evening for this particular item i don't want to squelch you or your ability to have discussion on it but please also know that assuming something gets passed tonight at first reading it will be back on our agenda in two weeks for final passage at that particular time and there will be a public hearing at that time as well so with that i believe i'm inviting keep this brief it was back in march that i believe tom tom wagner who is in the audience approached a city council and during that meeting described described a council  that he had some beehives and that he was cited by the city or told that he had to get rid of them and subsequently did that and but he was there that evening to ask council to  look at the ordinance requirements in regards to honeybees and a council made a referral to the planning commission to research the subject look into it  from the community and but then it was on a june twenty fifth the planning commission formal a heady draft ordinance in front of them and actually ended up  voting two to four against that draft well voting two to four for a proposed ordinance and which in essence then is sending you a recommendation to not  approve that particular draft ordinance i believe is on your july twenty fourth study session council took this up in quite a bit of detail and you had some a public comment  some beekeepers at that time also and at that meeting you requested that that staff sent to you a regional draft ordinance that went to the planning commission back in june  because the ordinance that you would it received prior to that was was amended by the planning commission that original ordinance is basically the same is the one that was referred to by the planning commission with the exception that for to be hives there was no minimum lot area requirement and the one that the planning commission recommended to you had a eight thousand square foot minimum course they had a rather large lot so so staff is assent to this additional information in your packet we sent you some best management practices at the state department of agriculture as regards to a beekeeping i believe we sent you copies of some other ordinances from other communities namely spring lake township this city of traverse city an arbor and then it i believe it was oak park illinois and and then also a suburb of denver kind of a smattering of different approaches by those communities  and then also included for your reference article about madison wisconsin with their b organ so we sent you a lot of information you asked for it your study session and but i believe for you tonight you need two for you get two excepting something for first reading you need to decide what they had ordinances going right thank you mark and questions for us that at this point yes right why don't we do this let's get a motion on the floor that we can have discussion about and invite the audience to discuss if they would like this time the mayor  planning commission that is one that did not establish eight thousand square feet as the minimum lot size for being eligible  thanks very much for clarification because a lot of this you know sort of got lost to me in the process of the comments that i made here are not meant to be critical but it was about five months ago that i made that original proposal now and this morning honestly was the first time i had a chance to look and read at it i really don't have any idea who actually wrote it market up who did the redactions i look at it this morning to sort of like  and perhaps i don't mind paying this up i know why and what the fee is for and you know how the city arrive at the number and what they're going to do with the money you know if this is simply going to be bill we just basically wanted to encourage council to consider the apartments and the lobby in in the city and one of the things that i would like to mention is that the ordinance as it was presented holds beekeepers to a fairly high standard of responsibility within the city our group holds regular educational meetings monthly for several months during the year i mentoring opportunities within the group so we have we have a great deal of the heaping experience to offer to urban beekeepers if that does happen and i also would like the  council to understand that a great deal of us as the keepers are not commercial or egg recall general i sell nothing from my time i i don't so i don't  basically the health of the honeybee in the country well i just wanted to express that and hope that you will seriously consider allowing this within the city of  glad to see mayor pro tem propose the version that he did i think having the eight thousand square foot minimum lot of precluded a lot of folks who live within the social parts of the city from engaging in this and i'm glad about that first of all raises an interesting question which i had a form of as well and i guess i would ask the question  why what the thinking is regarding the one year registration period why would we not make it a three year in fact i'm assuming there's a good reason for registering these in i can understand perhaps being a database of who's keeping highs but i'm a little concerning furious about the length of time for registration and again as mr holcombe i said what are we go but your neighbor is and you want to report the issue you know there's lots of bees in the neighborhood and it's important that the city have an understanding of who's keeping watch in those sorts of things and we've friendly dog just just speaking to the the licensing thing i mean that the planning commission discussed that really kind of the the rationale for that was to make sure that there was a little bit more insurance  from the point of view of you know i'm sure we're going to be you know most beekeepers or maybe all of them are going to be very responsible on how they do stuff ok but you may have a bad apple or somebody who doesn't pay attention to matters so there is really kind of a vehicle whereby if we get repeated complaints from neighbors or whatever about somebody particular beekeeping operation that we could keep track of that and if it became bad enough that a license could be rebuttal to that person would be told that they can no longer do that so i mean it was that really was the purpose of having the license procedure the particular license language registration language that you have was modeled quite closely on what traverse city is doing and i talked with  their animal control person up there and and says that it's working really good they don't have any complaints and seem to be a real reasonable approach for them that having been said i mean we're this language is proposing you know an annual license fee if it's you know every two years or every three years i think that that certainly is rate could be reasonable also and that would accomplish the same  same motivation for having it in the first place well if i make it to just briefly it seems as though based on the track record from other communities that we really are not anticipating a very labor intensive regulatory scenario here in other words we're not going to throw a lot of city person hours into regulation or inspection so i guess i'm not interested in being typical i'm interested in being realistic golf weekend i understand a registration and i guess i can understand a fee for it i would got a great deal of knowledge on all things anable all things urban living what not but i don't think he'd throw the label be expert on himself today  sense he's probably our one staff member that has a great depth of knowledge they deeper than my centimeter deep on beekeeping that we would have on the frontline of registration horsemen cetera et cetera or maybe mark in conjunction with a coat of fish or whatnot but the the the responsibility that's been exhibited by the folks that have e address irresponsible feline though i still have some questions i guess i don't want to cause them to see that considering the that seem to take a major priority and have a impact on health safety and welfare i don't get the sense from a limited number of reasonable beekeepers  physical barriers to it that have to be inspected that's going to take steps if those things weren't in there you know the flyaway barrier six feet tall that's part of it we have to have the registration to make sure that if we're going to city mr city manager a brief introduction please thank you this is really housekeeping from about a year ago when there were several actions taken by the city council to enable the purchase of properties for the benefit of non profits every deemed providing a public service associated with neighborhoods at this resolution was requested at that time and was for various reasons associated with time not really addressed until this time and it has not been necessary  between now and then however as a housekeeping matter it's before you tonight it was reviewed in the study session that i did was not able to attend i know this is a manager greg robinson did so and as a result there are several changes to the resolution two letter word he should be added there so it reads the city has determined require that the property will only be for a public purpose as defined above even better be used for public purpose that in terms of whether something is off the tax bill or not it doesn't necessarily matter who owns it it's what they use negative it's prerequisites all that but that uses what the term and whether or not something that's off the tax roll or i mean generally the exemption if you're going to get what is called a charitable exemption you have to pay five a one c three organization has to own it and it has to be used for the purpose of the five a one c three to gain the exemption i'm not aware of this specific instance it is possible that this property may carry out a partial exemption it is possible for a nonprofit to buy property and use a portion of it for the charitable purposes required but another portion of it may in fact be on the rolls so that you only have a partial exemption we have several properties in the city like that where you have a nonprofit that is the owner but it's leasing that for a nonexempt purpose and that portion of the property comes on the roll mr mayor i will check on that i'm it all right any other discussion on this particular item number which i remember saying in this spot a number of years ago and having some reservation i was fairly new at this  time having some reservations about a particular issue which i don't remember what that was anymore but that time council member rich said i would rather wait on a decision and have the opportunity available for someone like me to feel more comfortable about it then to move on it right away i guess i'm kind of feeling in that position right now rather wayne's brought up some interesting points and i don't know that i would agree with all of them but i think i think they bear some clarification on a little bit of this fashion so maybe if you know when you would like to present his questions to staff and we could have a little bit more discussion on that a little that's become enlightened on some of these issues we may discover some things or feel better about what we already believe so we're not going to make a motion at this point to do it but i would be willing to able this for period of time for further discussion i guess i'm still there on that out there for anyone else white man no right so we have the original motion before us please all the few thank you thank you for having me come in thank you i'm going to try to do this is because i can we have a lot of stuff that we've done over the last few years and before we get to yeah i want to introduce you are for the folks at home and in the audience asked to try to put together a plan for cleaning up lake mack a towel on the entire watershed and that process started with some significant discussions with donors and it resulted in us doing basically  a research project that lasted two years and i want to start out by giving you just a slight background on that so kind of lays the foundation for the project clarity piece and then the reason that i'm here to ask for your endorsement of our plan the  document the power point that we have has a couple of pictures on it those are pictures showing the land use of our community the picture on the left green and blue shows the woods and water that covered the entire watershed if you go back to the early eight hundred one when the land was settled and the picture on the right shows the watershed today which is mostly developed in the urban red area and then agricultural in the outer zones the whole point of this is just to show that as this area was settled going back a couple hundred years we altered the landscape significantly and what that has led to is the reality we have today if you look at this picture you'll see like macca tower dumping out of lake michigan we have a very hyper you  that lake has a lot of sediment nutrient in it and it's it's causing all the problems that we have putting algal blooms like what you see in the photo here we also have an issue with bacteria in lake mack a towel and that's another issue that we wanted to were able to put together a very comprehensive research project and reports this map here shows the watershed and there's little red dots on there and that's where we had sampling units sampling units collected water and the sediment nutrient that was in the water every time we had a rate of it and that allowed us to measure and calculate out the amount of sediment nutrient flowing down forty six different tributaries within the watershed the results of that work are presented in this next the map which has the subbase ins or the smaller watershed areas within the larger whole watershed and each of the numbers on those maps indicate one being the worst eight being the best the quality of the water coming through those  a and those are the main ones that we have concerns over although the whole watershed does have water quality issues once we had that information in hand we were able to actually put together a plan that w address the conditions of the lake and how to remediate it we had a private group of individuals that started out with two and this currently involved group as many as seventy two individuals that community leaders are private investment so far to put together a plan to actually crack the water quality issues within the way there is no silver bullet to fixing this problem and we do know that it needs to be a multifaceted approach of what we put together our team was  organization or business from bright narea as well as progressive eighty out of grand rapids and even the drink commissioner's office was involved in putting together this plan the plan calls for just under twelve million dollars of investment in a variety of areas in the watershed in it and it's calling for both a private and public investment into that twelve million dollars number this is being led though and i want to emphasize by the private community we have goals that were set out one is to acquire land identifying it where landing key areas where we could do remediation work to built or slow down traps hold the water as it's coming down the river systems in the watershed we also want to prioritize and then do remediation in those areas we want to implement best management practices throughout the watershed we have an educational informational goal because if we're going to invest this money and make all these changes fixes repairs to our water shed trying to restore some of what we had going back several hundred years we realize we can't go back to you know what it was that would mean we'd all have to move out of the area and that's not what we're suggesting but what we're saying if we could do some strategic implementation of best manager practices of the right areas and restoration of the right areas we could begin to remediate the watershed problems but we need to educate people about that too because we all play a role in it the community this isn't any one person's problem or any one entities problem so education is probably is one of the most important parts of this the last piece that we have is the piece and that is implementing and dolman fund to help maintain any and all of the restoration efforts that we put into place and so we we're acknowledging that this is going to cost funds to do that and there is going to be long term maintenance costs to that and by establishing a dominant fund we can ensure that there are funds there to help cover those costs and this is an burdensome to the community long term we want sustainability and what we're proposing so you know this slide just illustrates some of the obvious and that this is going to help us in a variety of ways the community from what control we're going to deal with filtration of waters that's getting these property values at the lake and the water system is cleaner it has human benefits because what we've realized is that the main problem in this watershed is sediment we've also come to understand that the bacterial problems are probably attached to that sediment you can restrict the amount of sediment point downstream we can do things that address not only water quality issues but health concerns of bacteria but also eliminate the need or the frequency of need for dredging in the lake and other parts that that we have gone out and asked organizations businesses individuals leaders in the community do endorse this plan you have copies of it were provided to you the endorsement of the plan does not insist that you are contributing funds to it but it is an effort on your part as a city take knowledge of the plan and to lend your approval to its efforts and what we can do then is have a nice illustration to grant tours or to donors that the entire community has come around this project and agrees with it its goals and its objectives and and would support it going forward the groups that you see presented here represent area businesses we've had some of our units of government begin to endorse the back to the higher governing council policy board in dorset a couple weeks ago  so this is just an effort on our part to ask you to lend the city's name to this so as we work forward in fundraising we can illustrate that the city does have a commitment behind our efforts the advisory board we have put into place to help oversee it the individuals listed here are currently involved in that we may actually add other folks as time goes on this group is to add accountability and oversight to the work that's been done and our project support so far just to give you an illustration of what has happened we've had about six hundred thousand dollars committed in phase one to do the restoration part it to get us to the point of putting the plan together and we've already had just about a million dollars contributed already to this project from private sources  and we continue to have more funds we received a very significant commitment today and this project is probably something that we can have the funds fully raised for within the next five years we hope to have a significant other funds implemented  raised and then implementation of the project going into play within the next one to two years currently we've received leadership yes from the bronx and of families here in the community received the largest grant ever given by the community foundation in area of a quarter million dollars to the project and we have some corporate investment that's already started to come in through hayworth and their banks just to illustrate that community is coming around embracing this project so at this point i would entertain any questions that you may have for the project but again what we're asking for is simply an endorsement showing your verbal support for the effort that we're doing in the city believes that this is the right thing for the right thank you is there are there  this is really a surface water cool place to live and i think that's where we're headed so you know certainly there's names attached here of people that care and invest in this community and have their whole lives and continue to use those though my hat's off to them and and everybody else  that they're able to garner their interest and support going forward because this is just no small vision to head off to you for helping coordinated and through the saying goes thank you so much thank that what we are already cool the only thing there i i i because of on the periphery of what's been going on with this michigan people know that but this is this is one of the greatest opportunities for us to really clean and make a a long term in our environment i really  know somebody's got to do something and we've been doing that for a long time now and finally you know somebody said that somebody is me and i'm going to get my friends and i'm going to get some scientist and we're going to make a concerted effort to say that that somebody is me and in the way you have gone through so many different groups of people and involving the agricultural community and the  mac group and corporate investment here and the community foundations that i mean it's you have done a yeoman's work with this and being handed this but and from the people in leadership and we just really appreciate that that somebody is you and in leading all of this and i appreciate your advocacy and spots and ship throughout the community because the take the consistent voice  continually adds to the group that is going the same direction and that's so important and i know at the end of this we can look back and say that that water is beautiful and we have been good stewards of it and we're here for our children and grandchildren to enjoy it and and those that come behind us will all this by feel for valuing our resources like this and so i really appreciate all that you're doing travis and and all those that are right well you know i've been for a free a bit of this discussion as well and i echo a lot of the comments that were made this evening i will also note that the private sector certainly has a history and a demonstrated interest in this project called ready for the phase one and then also as you see the screen there's already some significant contributions already in place but i do not want to minimize or overlook or suggest to anyone who is listening to this meeting or watching this meeting at there will not be substantial public participation as well and by public i mean governmental and by governmental i don't mean just the city of holland holland township park township border the like  back to the screen that you had that showed where the sediment is coming from you'll note that for a long time i think many people thought that lake max difficulties were largely point sort of treatment plant had knows maybe the power plant heinz place is right on the water and what this phase one study has demonstrated that by and large most of the sentiment sediment and the eco lie are coming from places upstream places that the river ways that feed into lake markets how so this is really a watershed issue it is not a three jurisdiction issue and it will take us all contributing in contributing in in large fashion to make a difference but what a difference we can have as a community and what for mendis thing that we can do for this and if government has any engage in projects like our plants that make our lives better and certainly we provide for public safety but if ever the public sector was to be involved in a project that enhanced the one of the most visibly important pieces of our natural environment and one that touches the entire area not just pacific jurisdictions this ought to be the one so i wholeheartedly endorse it and you know i also want to encourage people to begin thinking about the fact that there will be a term commitment on the public side for participation in this project because we owe it not only to us we owe it to children our grandchildren and those who will call holland home in the future it will be and so much better than what it is right forty one dollars and seventy five cents in donations just support the three thousand and thirteen how an emblem in eighty five dollars and cents from anonymous donor in support of the ripple in support of repairs to the wind dot com is the best spot to find information about all of us how to get ahold of us phone numbers email addresses all those sorts of things we also try to push as much information as possible on of the city's website and as i mentioned at the start of tonight's meeting this meeting like every meeting the background material that council reviews and preparation for the meeting is all located out there for anyone to download and take a look at you want forms you want reports you want anything dealing with the city chances are pretty good you're go find that information on the city's so we encourage you to check there but keep in communication with us because we certainly appreciate it i have some appointments this evening and that is a bit of an understatement  because we started out tonight meeting with some point ments from some recognitions of our youth on boards and now we get the great pleasure of actually doing some of the appointments for these so then the following students for the following boards all for one years your appointments with the term expiring at the end of june twenty fourth scene alfredo they will roast or i x or council clara dryer or d d a l rocker parks and rec center papers neighborhood improvement committee in mcknight planning commission clara baker sustainability committee then we have a resignation to accept that of jennifer  and you know saturday night and witnessed first hand think we had maybe a dozen different all of the city's residents with one particular situation this particular officer with this particular individual that it could have chosen many different routes would have had many different outcomes some you know a number of times we get to spend time here with chief master in in here about what you are going through we understand that it's a different job than any of what we do around here for day jobs  at each time i've done this i realized it was a new degree and so i wanted to share that he says it's it's not a job it's a lot of outside of say a national night out or a party where there's a great celebration associated with our officers every bit of course wants to be a police officer when he's young that seems to be in this culture today that there's as much disdain for th and i just wanted to go on record and share a little bit about my experience from saturday night and and shine a light on one continuous pressing problem in our community and that is mental health  the labor day truck parades just around the corner i can hear all right thanks i invite everybody to put that on the calendar we will be kicking off approximately nine fifteen making our way down and twenty one like we always have with the loud noise horns diesel's going it's just an absolute sight to see specifically celebrating what's made this community so wonderful the manufacturers and businesses that support these manufacturers that's what we're here to celebrate that's what labor day is all of you if you didn't know i believe this is very well attended another beautiful night and i believe good times that i saw a number of you there a lot of activity going on a lot of  crying on the fire uniforms or the fire turned out here trying to pull the hoses to see what it was like a lot of interaction with some of the nonprofits there i believe we probably have another award winner i go to the pavilion and have a breakfast and buy donation to this scholarship fund so we can help kids be a part of the recreation programs at the city so please there and the new children's gardens that was that were donated by the garden club it's just so much happening and when the island and you want to enjoy that windmill that we're working so hard to establish they have some of the equipment out in the parking lot so things are getting ready to reinforce the bridge that they can come across and they can take it off the windmill and start that process but it's exciting and it's historic and you might want to get a picture to sell at the labor day and ho