good morning dear before we get started i would like to ask everyone to please turn off their cell phones or any noise making devices which could mean decorum will be fall in the chamber we have five items to discuss today and five of those items were were on the two dollars and sixteen mile we call it the legislative package i would like to begin by taking public testimony at this time we have one testify in the chamber and then if no one else then i will go to our district offices with no objection i would like to start public testimony you know i just think you are first testif morning esteemed council members council and staff the minimum wage my name's marilyn chapman and i represent the chamber of commerce as the vice chair the minimum wages an entry wage an effects two percent of hawaii's workforce minimum wage is the very bottom of the pay scale within some companies only use for the unskilled mentally or emotionally disabled person that is unable to work without supervision and otherwise my most likely would not be employed even then employers such as the company i work for already start these same unskilled emotionally and mentally challenged people at nine dollars and increase them to ten dollars within six months if they can do the job and show up for work and simply make a probationary period of six months minimum wage is not supposed to be a living wage it's an entry level or training wage these people are acted to do their job well improve their skills gain experience and continually move on to positions of higher responsibility or better jobs with the experience gained from the last position in closing regardless of the sentiments involved with minimum wage a forty eight percent increase over a twelve month period well crush employers that are supporting their own families and employees and employees families through their businesses now is small business owners are not cutting are not we don't have anyone else in the chamber there which is to testify so let us check with our district office let's start with denise do we have anyone wishing to testify as you're aware the package that we introduced to the state legislature doing the odd years and anything that is not been acted on carries over for the from the following even year last year my county introduced two bills of which two are still alive one amending the son saying law to a large board members to jointly attend public meetings and the other was a study of seeing a program for each island  study industrial hemp unfortunately the bill has been heard by the by a committee we will continue to offer our support for these two bills so they are both still alive and hopefully will get some some look sees it this coming legislative session this year we have five bills there were submitted to this committee from for consideration as part of the county package we will discuss each one separately before i start proposed resolution in title approving for inclusion in the two thousand and sixteen ma county legislative package is still a state bill scuse me prohibiting smoking in motor vehicles occupied by minus the purpose of the proposed bill is to authorize for inclusion in the two thousand and sixteen ma we county legislative package they propose a real entire bill for an act when relating to smoking the purpose of the proposed bill is to prohibit smoking in vehicles which are occupied by my minors i will ask to introduce of the bill if you'd like to give an opening remark yes and thank you very much chair and this has been brought to these my offices attention for several years now actually and i know it's been in discussion on hawaii island and  i'm looking to just sort of mirror that what their proposals are and to appease the people who feel it's sort of a safeguard for the miners who really don't have a choice or option at that point if an adult in the car is smoking and they're going to have the secondhand smoke effects so it's pretty straightforward in the resolution of what the intent is and i'm just looking to see if car where a baby here or young children are present it makes perfect sense to me that you know it's probably not a very good place for adults to be smoking so i think it's a good idea i am concerned though that each one of  these smoking or you know we have all this legislation prohibiting smoking and it's piecemeal there is one piece here and one piece there i'm beginning to think of pretty soon we're not going to have to get to some of this thing and you know my husband who is a smoker says if you guys are so against smoking why don't you just outlaw cigarette and i said well who knows but anyway no no no concern i can't support this public policy that we do anyway i vehicles is that an extension of intruding on privacy i think there is big things we should think about and let's just focus on a very specific point in a perspective and i don't know how we are going to enforce this to be honest thank you belin thank you chair i really can appreciate such a proposal and i thank ms cochran for bringing it forward but i also have concerns that we put laws into place that how it maybe it's something that can be secondary to another traffic stop i do understand that we need to be concerned about our children's health but it's one of those things that it so that at this point i'd like to hear some more i do want to make sure that you know we're we're helping the kids as much as possible but huff where do we draw that line so i'm still i had so much i wanted to talk about you know about smoking i've noticed and this is very strange because i hadn't seen this for a very long time but in the last couple weeks at least twice i have been in the back of a car where the driver truett a cigarette butt out the window and i that bothers me a lot and we talk about enforcement so you know as a citizen what do you do you know i remember the famous story of our former mayor to virus who used to be a police officer pulling somebody over and giving them a steering us citizens arrest because he saw them to a butt out the window well i'm not that brave and we're not living in  either it's kind of dangerous to you know show any kind of anger or try to stop somebody i don't i'm not that brave but it bothers me because you know the more laws we make the worst is is and i think citizens themselves have to be educated and understand that they have a responsibility to protect their children but i don't know how we make people do that and i share the concerns of my colleagues you know i grew up with a father w smoker and as a child i was very sick i had hay fever and really really bad and as i got older and got away from it a three pack a day camel smoker all that disappeared so i know i know what we're talking about and how important it is that we try to protect the children but how do we do that again without freedom you know you always very interesting points i can see my father smoked almost all his life he was a cigarette smoker and then he went to see it and then he went to spite but to things was his golden rule never smoked in the house he never smoked in the house and he never smoked in the car he smoked in the farm we smoke outside but he never never did that and i remember that as a kid i was kind of like his rule he never said it well as his rule and i are used to ask my mom welcome daddy does this work in the house and says no it never smokes in the house that was my that's what we're talking about common sense some some common sense we're trying to legislate common sense i think this is really where the trial comes wasn't going to the private then the other issue is in force mint and with the next step in the house how do you enforce in your home so i mean we are taking this to the umpteen level and i'm not against it because i know and you know cigarette smoking second secondary cigarette smoke is harmful to others around you there's no question we're not making an issue of that but how do we enforce it and then again with public because i agree you know that's something we control we have custody and control of that but for the rest i think it's very difficult and i know mr white you have your business that you have nonsmoking in your rooms and all that and now this pretty substantial fines like two hundred fifty bucks was that all delta had the s if you smoke in this room it's a two hundred fifty dollars charge to your your bill oh ok i'll get you in not too many people smoke in that room and i think these are the kinds of things that you know really we got to look at common sense but again  i don't know how to apply this and then finally enforcement the police right now can barely keep up with what they have i see saw many people with cell phones driving around i know the police kids some but the vast majority don't get caught and we still have some major accidents because people are not paying attention texting and so no matter what laws you put in place those who don't want to follow not going to follow it and so you're back to square one and i don't know unless the finally saw exponentially expensive people just not going to pay attention until they get caught so i'm open to suggestions because again i do agree that you miss cochran you know i'm just afraid we've got to legislate common sense and then force ability becomes another issue and how much do we go when you talk in private life and what you do behind closed doors i don't know but the  and you brought up the point in regards to cell phone use while driving and i see that every day on time and again like you saw people flicking cigarettes out of a car window that citizens arrest thing it doesn't come to my mind but i'm just  happening campaign and now it is an every it's prevalent everyone uses it's just automatic habit so if think the whole idea of education awareness brought that there's a there's a law in place this is what it states please abide by it and the ones that don't we don't the ones that can and yeah they're ones are going to slip through because they choose to not abide or probably don't know of it or so again i think it's a process of it being in place and then rolling it out implementing it making sure that everyone's aware educate in the schools it wherever you know in the doctor's offices and places where people are contained in can hopefully get the message across so i am still in favor of  moving this out and you know i'm i'm open to suggestions and amendments if anybody has them and that's why it's a pretty basic straightforward resolution here so that's what it's here for you know many of these things that we've had to diligence stagers really said because everybody knows that looking in your cell phone and texting and to get your eyes off the road is bad but we do it and the only deterrent that stops people a whole bunch  and not all because i run into the people that are busy on their cell phones too but you know we're more aware and so kind to inhibit some of it i think we get the same result with this law that you know kids will tell their parents you can't smoke in a car because they were it when they heard someplace that it's against the law and maybe parents will pay attention but it is really really sad that we have to do this and like again i think our focus has to be as a community or as  state or an education so that people understand you know i'm very grateful that my husband is a considerate smoker and you know my father didn't know any better i'm sure he wouldn't have smoked in the house if he knew but my husband really good he doesn't smoke in the car he doesn't smoke around me because he knows i'm allergic and i appreciate that a whole lot but i think the answer to what we're doing here is awareness and education and i agree with mr cochran maybe we just passed this and we try and we know we're not going to be able to stop everybody from smoking in the car with their kids but it does create that this is a bad thing and you shouldn't be doing it i don't know and of course that most of sensitive to the idea of stepping on people's rights because you know i live with a smoker so i hear the other side of it he says you know this is this is what i like to do i'm not bothering anybody so what's the problem you know i get both sides well you know i think i'm going to make my recommendation and we'll see how this moves along my recommendation is approving what is our will to get a hearing and i think we should be strategic to make sure it's palatable enough that what he's presented is ready to be posted is going to be an issue of multiple referrals and vehicles that this thing can thank you thank you yes mr white thank you chair you know i understand where mr holcombe is coming from but my feeling is that if we're going to pass something out that is just going to apply to public vehicles and you know we're not really doing much if you think that it's hard to enforce on private vehicles even more difficult to expect the police  watch out for public vehicles where there is smoking and generally public vehicles or not carrying people's children or just carrying other employees of the state or the county so  support this measure as it's been proposed and i think that we can let the state legislature decide to do with it i think like the law against being cell phones in your car so have the same effect i mean whether it stops everybody probably not likely not but if it stops some people then we've begun the process of already in place so that is why i had recommended that consideration should thank you hard if not for the question all those in favor as pick each employee employed by their employers and we each at the rate not less than fifteen dollars per hour beginning january first two thousand and nineteen i would also give the introduce an opportunity to speak to the resolution and thank you very much chair one is miri pretty much  there's many states that are already implementing this and it kind of in line more seattle and also quite a county has set forth the resolution on their behalf to so it's pretty plainly stated as you can see on the breakdown of the intent of the state ledger he has a program rolling out the you know goes through the next several years to on their proposed wage increase so this is just adding on to their two thousand and eighteen and then the following year two thousand and nineteen price range to be brought up to this fight for what everybody's trying to do the question is is minimum wage supposed to be for a living wage at least when you know when we were getting into the workforce a minimum wage was for somebody in high school or wanted to just get into the workforce to do a part time job it wasn't to provide for a full family that was the whole idea was to get into the workforce get some skills and then move up to a job that eventually you can provide for your family now people are saying that minimum wage has to be for providing a living wage if that's the case why not make it twenty five dollars an hour or thirty dollars an hour because that's what the living wage is going to be so i still think minimum wages for entry level into the workforce i kind of disagree with what the chamber said as far as only learning people with learning disabilities and whatnot it's it's for people who  coming out of our in high school wanting to get a part time job to help supplement their income you know their allowance or whatever they might be getting from their parents it's not for somebody to live on in my opinion but that's that's my opinion and at this point i can't support   what kind of an impact it would have on our employers especially in the rural areas where they would maybe have to hire less than twenty five and most of them are mom and pops or what have you and aside from that even a nonprofit you have all the payroll taxes the medical insurance will they cut back  on that part where their hours are going to be cut back even like the disability insurance and everything that comes with the payroll deduction and of course  businesses do pass that on to us consumers i'd like to see what sort of impact or research can be done so we can understand what impact it would have on the businesses that we do businesses which we know for a fact there are a few electric just about everything especially in the rural areas we it's the higher highest costs of doing business and  then we question skill levels if i have to think back when i first started into the workforce i'd never make a dollar as entry level but i had to work myself up  which many of us did to develop the skill levels that would qualify us for an increase that gosh when you made ninety cents an hour you were happy and thought you were the richest kid on the block but you know i would like i don't know if i can support this at this time just because of the kind of impact that it would have on employers that will employ people if they start closing down because they can't afford the upkeep in in the thank you thank you are in general i'm a supporter of always increasing really of our middle class are those who should to be in the middle class better opportunities but we must and looking at my situation that two thousand people do it all and i i would see at yeah i would have a problem if it's just pull them all and i have a contract you need to honor that agreement before my small business is that basically family friends neighbors families that have second phrase the many of them for one hundred years or eighty and see what they would have to go through to meet the minimum wage knowing there's no way it would be now basically no hotel activity construction which is basic from off line i don't feel like our community but they'll look to stover's family operations you know i wish it was better times where i can say yeah they can afford fifteen dollars an hour but i know that in the current tim cannot chairman and so i would be looking at something if the family to consider in a different target date a more open to that in the current form i cannot support it as i would not be if it's in the best as a measure that would certainly put a damper on the ongoing creation of summer jobs and i you know we we know that summer jobs have kind of gone away to some degree because of the economics of it but this would make it even more difficult for our small businesses to be able to afford this risk of ella brought up the concern about health care we all know that health care costs have continued to rise and so to take something like the minimum wage which in the past eight years has increased by seven percent from i think seven twenty five to seven seventy  five and then in the next four years half of that time take it up another ninety four percent is a bit too big of a jump and and the other challenge with the minimum wage is the tip credit which employers who employees generate their pay by virtue of tips whether it's in restaurants or other areas that the tip credit is really quite quite small in comparison to the tips that are generated so we have a number of dynamics come into play here but i don't think that maui has  the high population and therefore the higher demand on services that some of these other municipalities have experienced that have moved in this direction so i don't think this so thank you very much chair as member carol says today's a very light day i can tell you know this is a hard one because when it comes to wanting to give people more money i think we all agreed that something we'd all like to do because we want to see people earning enough money so that they can live a little more comfortably in one of the most expensive places to live in the country however i think reality again we're back to comments and we know that if we raise the minimum wage it also means that prices will go up and so how do you get ahead you know i remember when i started my first big job where i thought i was earning a lot of money  i earn a lot more than that now i think that our standard of living is not changed a whole lot from when it was then so that tells me a lot it's just numbers that get bigger but it doesn't really change i follow mr carroll's logic because i was looking at this schedule of increases that are already proposed and when we don't from twenty ten i mean ten dollars and ten cents in twenty eighteen and then we go to fifteen dollars in twenty nineteen it's a humongous change whereas in the previous years from your two years it's looking like seventy five cents in the last one is eighty five cents and so those incremental are smaller and they seem to maybe not have heard as much so maybe it would be ok if we were to propose smaller increments over a longer period of time but to change this as much as is being suggested i think is not only going to hurt the people of that employers but it's going to hurt the employee is buying power the other thing that i think we need to keep an eye on and mr white mentioned it and that is this cost of benefits you know i'm afraid that if businesses struggle to pay a larger salary base that they will have less money to help with benefits and so they may increase the amount that employee has to contribute to his medical plan or in some way reducing benefits so that they can afford to stay in business and i don't know if anybody comes ahead i have always been a big supporter of benefits and i think that's been kind of a theme in government pay is that we pay a little less but we give really good benefits i don't want to see benefits disappear and the reason is of course like if you don't have a good medical plan and something happens you're in big trouble and you may not see that cash in your pocket every month of for what your employer is paying for your medical plan but you will if something happens also wages are all text where the benefits a lot of them are not taxed so you come ahead with more benefits than you do with a big increase  business is that gave the vacations the forty hours to medical it was a hard fought unions and there my father and many of them who fought hard to get what we have today so thank our unions thank our unions however i cannot cheer increases like this at this time i cannot because it seemed it makes it very difficult for the mom and pop stores the wal mart store kmart stuff the big corporations they can afford it they can the little guy can't you know ace hardware the small businesses they're the ones that are going to be adversely affected their adversely affected and those are the ones i want to protect they've been around for a long time and i want to make sure that they have an ability to continue to thrive in this economy and in the economy so so tenuous in fact to be honest with you i've been able to talk with a number of different people restaurant construction and suppliers everyone tells me to a point that things have slowed down a little bit people are afraid stock market has come down tremendously every time the stock market sliced people get a little afraid consumer confidence is not at its highest level at this point so with all that being said in what mr white added as far as chip you know i know tip employees who do very well and if you're the p d i'm fifteen dollars an hour what then would you have to cut back on so where are the where the where are the lines being drawn in this manner i don't know i don't know if i even want to go twelve dollars at this point in time to be perfectly honest i really would like to see the legislature in their wisdom continue to work on because it's because if it falls back on the you talk in seattle or los angeles county i don't know of any state of said maybe new york that has increased the minimum wage almost all of them are counties or cities as little different the big much opposites can and a little economy and some of them will just collapse so at this time i'm not i'm not really keen on this whole idea of increases and the french team is cock and i know what you meant and i'm all for people making more but again if you get a dollar more but you got to spend two dollars to two to help there because you got a dollar more per hour i don't know i don't know where you break even in that deal and also and it was kind of funny one more thing up put in nobody mentioned this that because of the drop in oil prices and gas prices next year there is no cola for security in this one the fourth time in forty years a third time in forty years i forget what the what it was exactly and so many of our seniors will not get any increase on social security and some one and truly depend on social security so i'm torn with this one you know i yet i want higher wages but yet on the other side i don't think it's the yes make this recommendation my recommendation is to entertain a motion to adopt the proposals resolution entitle a bill for an act relating to sorry or into the wrong page and act to relate to employers paying or at a rate not less than fifteen dollars per hour beginning january first two thousand and nineteen stuck in i'm sorry no second saw the motion dice ok not a problem got to try thank you let's move on to our next i don't again correspondent dated september twenty first two thousand and fifteen from council  attention to have this particular id on you know the actual id cards and just to for helpful purpose for the person that it pertains to you know i thank god my leg injury isn't a permanent thing but you know i would like if something were to happen that people would understand what certain disabilities are that pertain to my  my person and so this one here in particular other states have adopted and we were focusing on legislation out of the state of georgia and here again pretty straightforward here and hoping to just bring more more light to a person's personal needs if it should be should occur a person would have to understand you know how to manage or help that particular person through their i d so there were that's kind of what it is and it states it in their warehouses also which are taking anything  this is for those people that sometimes it's difficult as a skirt if you truly have a disability and i know some that are really extreme i get around a hundred times better than them and they really need it and that was the or whatever i would imagine since it would be a load well i like the idea of a placard with i identify a picture i think that that's intriguing however i used to take my mom to the doctor and then i drop her by the front door and dangle park and if somebody saw me and my mom speak sure but i'm not i'm the one park in the car what would happen then i mean just interesting discussion since we're talking about it this also yes yes thank you and thank you ms cochran again for having the discussion and you are from putting it on the agenda i don't have i don't have a problem with this but i really am i don't know how it's go like the idea if you're going to have a license plate with a disability sticker on it that's a really good thing to have but we already have that in the law if you're a person with a disability card you can apply for a license  i don't know you know i don't think we need to do anything with that is what i'm saying because it's already there you know as mr carroll says it's very true that not all disabilities are visible right and there are many kinds of disabilities and i'm personally very familiar with this and what i like about this bill is the fact that it is an opt in or opt out kind of thing you don't have to do it if you prefer not to do it you don't have to but i don't know i  don't i don't know how this is going to help unless it's important to a person with a disability who needs to pull out a card and say you know i have a disability and to  disclose what that disability is and then again you're getting into very private information and what about right to privacy but again because it's up in an opt out if you feel that it's private and you want anybody to know then you don't have to ask for it so i don't know i think there's a lot of discussion here you know i was involved again at the formulation of eighty here in hawaii i was a state commission on persons with disabilities when that came so i'm very familiar that there are two sides to all of these issues and we want to be sensitive to the persons with disabilities and i would like to see this recommendation and support for this coming from those folks because you know i wish we could have more discussion and maybe even have our own commission on persons with disabilities coming give us information or recommendation i just don't know if i want to vote yes or no and something like this without hearing from them thank you and you know i do and that's a great option and i mean consider but before i go down to let me hear from everybody else because i think that's an option i was considering so maybe sending this proposal over to the forces with disability commission and let them hash this out and maybe come back with some viable alternatives or if they think this is good then bring it back to a state we like it can we get it passed saw again you know another option which the culture thank you mr chair i like this one and just essentially section one of the bill which is the purpose section it says an identification card clearly indicating a person's disability would allow the person access to certain eligible public services such as special transportation and seating for persons was the disability at public events that's one good benefit for this also this would allow the person with the disability to communicate any special needs to police and other public safety personnel and even of emergency that's an important part of this one so it's if the person wants to opt in on it they can show their id you know if there's a if there's an accident or whatnot they can have on their i d some mention of their disability so that the public safety folks can can handle that portions so i like those two sections in the in the bill as for the purpose so i can  wholly support this one section five d i have a little bit of concern with that's been a fake case in card for persons with disabilities shall be issued to a person with a temporary disability upon i would be a little bit gets concerned about but it isn't a deal breaker on this if we had that section out there three hundred percent behind this but i still would would like this bill to go through the legislature  thank you thank you i just miss cochran has been quite busy and i can appreciate this particular proposal and i think it you know we use our idea even for traveling so sometimes you know you can't get through it without all the doctors paper and what have you so i think this also increases  state shorting the last name of a lady from her complete last name because she wanted it quarterly her whole legal name and it became a matter of space on  there were restrictions of what is usable space on the license or identification cards and then maybe go from there i'm open to all of the options i  that we gear specifically for their use but i would say i think we need to be responsible to know that we have certain limitations of space and we should check out what our limitations sherman thank you i'm supportive of this measure i think it's something that can be pushed through at this point whether there's space or not it can be dealt with and i'm looking at the back of my license i have restrictions and endorsements and there's a big blank space under that so there may be an adequate space there of course of the last name like white i got a lot of space after my last name but i'm not sure that that's where it would go so i support moving this i don't think it needs to be referred simply because those discussions can take place when it gets the legislature thank you thank you and i you know it was the way you mean a good point but i'll counter with this the you mentioned about when you go to the airport and disclose when you have disabilities well let me ask you mr cochran if you have opinion there now when you go to the airport guess what happen well yeah sure i asked the doctor first thing he said there's not enough metal but i would have to decide i have my wife who had a full new replacement yes those who have hip replacement yes shoulder it is many others ok is that a disability good question right so i disagree with you mr wade i think we need further discussion because there's all kinds of aspects that come up with this i do agree i like what you said mister culture about the identification so that makes it easy and that way it's on their license so when my wife and others go to the checkpoint it shows she has to tell them i had a full new replacement and sometimes she forgets and she goes through it and then she has to go back and she oh i forgot to say that so is that a disability in her mind it was an improvement but yes it is now part of her every day now every time we travel or if you go to the courthouse or any place there is they have electronic surveillance electronic devices to detect metal even when we're in philly to see the pope four times at the around the line and go to complete check because she has metal in her knee no so there is some place for discussion and i greet you mr cosby that remove all might be also important you know with a temporary because temporary is how long i know you  placards they give you that because they asked if i wanted one when i hurt my knee and i said nor i didn't think i needed one and they were too too much like a male chauvinist to let that happen right even with being honest i'm being very honest however you know so again this is one of those that i before we send it to the legislature good news dot com let's make sure we have something strong you know and then what would the cost be involved in doing this and who's going to bear the cost that's another issue again we keep putting things on d m v and yet we tried to cut back their budget so if we're going to do this then we better be ready to incur some additional expense because it are just some added comments here so i think mr couch for bringing up the point about emergency personnel because that was a key component in this legislation to have an i d that's g immediately give the information any emergency personnel may need to assist that person who may be incapacitated and cannot speak cannot share what their disabilities are it'll be on their id and they can address it and   their is in regards to mr coach's point about section d the temporary disability which i have so it was accident the doctor wrote temporary gave me that temporary d card that states why i have this placard for my car and all this so and it's good for four months and so this is where this section what it's about so it's not doesn't go above and beyond how do you get this it occurs when you have something diagnosed perhaps as mr carroll mention or for me it was an accident so through emergency room and onto you know the doctor's office it goes through the system and it's pretty straightforward and simple then the other is this came through my office and got pursued because of concerns for mothers who have children with autism the children around the ages of sixteen to twenty one have been being targeted by police and other types of people because they believe the act for haps didn't seem of a normal natural nature but it's due to their disability of autism and so these mothers who have been targeted or their families are just being targeted wanted something in black and white to state that we put something on my child's i d in order to show hey look and perhaps avoid such situations of these arrests and whatever negative things have been occurring to their  children so that was another thing that prompted my office to hopefully push this forward and then i know there's a deadline i think to submit our items into the package so and that's why i appreciate you pushing this onto your that you would like to recommend approval of the inclusion of the two thousand and sixteen ma we call any package legislative package a state bill to allow persons with disabilities to indicate on their identification cards their disability year with one issue just moving right along in fact you know what at this point will take i made morning break i was getting kind of like it's ten fifteen we have two more items so if you w legislative package a state bill that would prohibit the sale of marine life secured by spear proposals the purpose of the proposed resolution is to authorize for inclusion in the two thousand secured by use of spear danger deserve to be almost a carol would you like to make some opening remarks thank you cheer before it was always illegal in hawaii  there's not that much but as soon as you make it a commercial endeavor it's been we have a very limited resource we don't have that much research especially how our practitioners i guess would respect our culture and then you know people like me and i guess even mr holcombe mom and many of you are there too we love to eat our reef fish i do and to me when we do this we meet the needs of the present without compromising the ability of our future generations and to meet their own needs so you and i will close by saying little to everyone in mr carroll thank you for bringing this forward the challenge we face is if the legislature changed it well they have the world to change it back and that's all i got to say about that so without no further discussion i would like to me my recommendation recommendation i would like to recommend the passage of the proposed resolution entitled approving fording cruisin in the two thousand and sixteen maui county legislative package a state build that prohibits the sale of maureen life secured by a spear excuse and finally for today's agenda we have it correspondence dated september twenty fifth two thousand and fifteen from council member glad to see by such as meeting a proposed resolution entitled approving for inclusion in the two thousand and sixteen maui county legislative package a state bill authorizing county liquor commissions to provide funding for relating to intoxicating liquor but for the purpose of the proposed bill was to require county liquor commissions to provide funding for alcohol abuse in treatment and prevention in addition to meeting i wish this was available for them to review but unfortunately we don't have it ready but that's ok so why so would you like to make some opening comments thank you very much chair i don't think that this requires a whole lot of talk because we've seen it many many times and i am hopeful that you know water in a rock maybe it will make an impact this time but i still believe that i think that some of the money that is  from selling alcohol should be spent on prevention and education and also helping the whole abuse treatment and well can try one more time thank you you're  so thank you chair yeah i concur we've seen this many times over and i told him this place earlier try try try again which hopefully will he we shall do and totally hundred beyond hundred percent you chair i dislike missed by so to refresh our memories the bill was voted down and previous time not just wondering if there are changes in the presentation me thank you chair thank you for the question this bill did get heard last year and it was revised according to committee reports i don't know what those revisions are right at this moment but i would also like to clarify that this bill does take an additional step if you look on page six that it also provides at least ten percent of the license fee are used for the current related treatment prevention education  programs so it's not just fines any longer it's also license fees you know thank you for that i saw that and realize i didn't recall seeing that last time i went through so hopefully this i believe this is the time to really push it hard and see what happens you know again you know our legislature has been pretty stuck in the mud when it comes to this one you know i just i just don't think they get the picture that you know it  cause they're so why not help the cause before some of the resulting i challenge is our society faces ok so no more discussion i'll make my recommendation recommend you would like to entertain a motion to adopt a proposed resolution entitled a bill for an act relating to intoxicating liquors full day and i've been granted that i think we hope to accomplish a number of things but the most important item is this governance issue that we're going to be taking off so with no more discussion ado this meaning of the government i mean the policy and intergovernmental affairs committee is know