unloading some liquor from the back of his truck was having a hard time getting it out into his back we have no problem with the back injury a couple surgeries a fusion you know there's no there's no question that that was a compensable injury the problem we have at what's wrong with his knee and said well he was too injured that during physical therapy since he didn't do it in the accident in the commission took upon itself then to say no no be stupid obviously he did it in the accident the question is what is the it that he did according to his own needs surgeon dr collins the original records his first medical was december twenty third two thousand and four which would be three days after the accident and there's no mention of his his need a ll it's all low back and that is the  on that day he talks about subjectivities all about the back and it's all about radiating pain down the leg and then he also this is the final edition he also complains of left knee pain that he strained  said ah he has a something wrong with his knee and we don't care if it's a boo boo or what it is we're going to give him the whole knee and operated me knee replacement whatever he wants it and i would not want to mislead him into thinking that i thrust a p is going to make his the perfect on the other hand the patients having significant symptoms and arthroscopy is likely to give him some benefit even if we have no way of telling exactly how much i tear this guy had a minor if anything he had a minor strain and a few months later he's got an stage house right is no doctor says that it's connected no said the old doctor says it's but nobody says that there's any related no medical person says there's any relation between what he says was the twisting injury and strain his own diagnose was strain and the condition of ill being that's causing him to have surgery but what about the aggravated need to yes i think so because there's no real connection because you can you just basically jumping to conclusion you saying well the doctors didn't say anything about this but i'm going to p evil persons hurt my need i backed truck up to collect the money i would go back to what the actual records say he says i'm going to me straight here causing foot drop and apparently these silly spinal surgeons didn't either but the commission says well yes it must be related to him to do it was his left leg close enough this is government work case closed next case that just is not is not supported by anything in this record the doctors say he had his own back or said it's a neat display it is inevitable he's going to have these t and he's going to need to read the replacement i backed or agrees with his doctor everybody's an agreement except the commission says and it almost started with with this injury when he hurt his back there's nothing there suggested by the doctors if you have doctors then you should ask them a question you can just be silent and say well the doctors didn't say it but i will say it's obviously a chain of events post of the bad acts and discusses his findings with regard to causalities and it is apparent from the decision of the arbitrator that he finds that the condition of bill being for which in an ideal world mr leahy who toiled for this company for a number of years before we came d h l was airborne and so on if there was a way to monitor him either with  l you got lucky it happened in the raw fish when the straw finally broke the camel's back as opposed to moving a seventy pound case of liquor from the back end where he says to the company clinic i twisted my knee and so i won't go there but the fish to the meander is when mr doyle nuts you to decide and he puts this in his reply brief this mixed question of fat than almost gets the law which we know that gets inappropriate so interested either but what he's saying is this if a person has an event at work then all of his symptoms complex must present themselves immediately because if they do then the causal element of the condition of you will be moving forward is sixty pushed your read you report where he talks about this significant degrading of this me is miniscule tissue in the compartment in the advanced arthritis the man was a beast of burden for over twenty years  packages in and out of the truck going back and forth in their movement to a doctor for any complaints to his knee i have to venture the guess that there were times when he came in full form from to his days labors but he had to take a little been up a little leadville or whatever and that in the record i won't speculate but the fact of the mater is the bird flu the commission is not to except to exception to that he didn't they didn't disagree they said that the average reader failed to or didn't find any of these additional trauma early on because he didn't speak to these records and then they list they list them they list the fact can't be related so we fight this case and we fight this case and we fight his case and you see more than well you see more than i do and yet i commend you for your patience both for my words this seems to be kind of a take your pick he's got a bad knee he works for d h l air of all there's a causal connection and give them his money the fact of the matter is dispute among the doctors and the jab of the average critters in the commission when it comes to medical opinions is to choose between conflicting opinions there are no conflicting opinions with all the medical goes one way they can just make up their own because it sounds better and which is basically what they did here in the award on the knee should not stand we have noble argument with the back that's all been