well the regular meeting of the water resources committee please come to order i am the chair of this committee gladys and today is wednesday august fifth twenty fifteen and it's approximately five minutes after nine in the morning before we get into our work today and i would like everyone to please put their cell phones on the site it mode and i'll do the same thank you very much and i'd like to introduce the members did are here with us and the folks that are here to help with that meeting there's mr probert carol and he's our guy from east know me i had the opportunity to go out there yesterday and it was wonderful i heard we were on a tight schedule i'd like to also introduce member elliot cochran from west lunch other than that it was wonderful and we also have member sta he's got some really important business on the walk that he's taking care of for the council today so he had to leave us on our own also we have from the administration this morning we have dave taylor the director of water ed and also sitting in the audience this morning and he's been spending a lot of time with us late me and we're very happy to have him help us lieutenant scott english from the department of  public safety and he'll be joining us down here if we need him later we also have our committee staff this morning we have sharon brooks who is zero or legislative attorney and we have our secretary much folks for being here ok i guess we're ready to rock n roll but we would like to zero in our district staff we have our office out there too we have done we have denise fernandez  military members in from public testimony will be limited to the item on our agenda today if you wish to testify peace sign up at the desk located in the lobby or at one of the district offices  listed on your agenda testimony is a limited two three minutes and upon request up to a minute to conclude at three minutes the light will turn yellow and at four minutes it will be read if you are talking at the four minute mark please stop when testifying please state your name in if you are representing in a group anybody but yourself we have established a connection to the district offices and to be fair we will rotate through each of the sites in the office don lono do you have anyone wishing to testify buy good morning dunning thank you so much we had a wonderful time in your area yesterday except for some heavy rain during the noon hour and the night off is we have denise fernandez do you have anyone wishing to we're going to come to the folks that want to testify here in the gallery at the moment mr brooks the first testifier will be william tell followed by lisa star bill on helping my county families acquire water meters there is a concern with the language of the bill on chapter four fourteen point three one three point zero six five section one referring to subdivisions for only two lots where the language prevents real estate abuse the bill limits the number of a family's ability to divide family property according to the law or use in the planning department as in place if a private approved home far system is in place for one or two homes and he's proving cif i really don't see any difference if there's another one the systems all isolate the problem on their own  in addition not sure how this language would affect farm employee housing as well please take another moment to discuss this concern in today's meeting and not only not all t m keys are hope that someday they could do a small subdivision of theirs their small acreage land in order to for family planning would like to express my support of this item w r twenty eight and i would like to compliment and thank chair gladdest by the committee and the representatives of the fire department and court council for arriving at a solution which will clearly provide some relief for subdividing and building for applicants on the upcountry water meter list i would further like to request and urge that subsequent to the approval of the bill there be a follow up in the very near future to expand the exemptions allowed here to all property owners who are impacted in much the same way by lack of infrastructure in rural areas  throughout the county the fire control conditions for subdividing into two or three parcels often for family planning purposes not for profit can be very onerous and often financially impossible yet the solutions provided by this bill do provide feasible conditions i asked that the intent and language of this very bill be reviewed in light of being applied to all property owners on and off the grid as has been expressed this bill will be an avenue for clearly needed housing to be built where it was not possible it also would make it possible for so many families to give their children a parcel of land a place for a home for me this bill brings hope for important possibilities may i also suggest that the once very workable deferrals for three lots or less subdivisions which was withdrawn in about two thousand and six be reexamined and seriously reconsidered thank you more than having to have two lots because to me per house would have each tank and i wouldn't see a difference adding on another one but i mean we have laws and we are getting good agriculture bills coming through right now and we all need to be on the same page so we can all help our local people and get this things going that's all that thank you very much members any need to clarify the testimony think you think  alt country people not only myself but for everyone else up there so he can do something with their land that there really are zoned for if the density is to dance in the zone or was supposed to go dollar it didn't we're still at the seams on and i'm paying taxes for half it because owning that i cannot even use people with agricultural land that wants to go down to two weekers from sea ten acres cannot be held back for years and years on this thing the infrastructure requirements that is required of us for fire protection we've laid out for you a fire protection plan that can can save lives it's a percentage was mentioned at the last meeting almost ninety percent of the fire will be put out by a sprinkler system whether it's eighty or ninety percent i know one thing for sure it's a better than zero and anyone in that house can be protected by this fire protection and the protection is simply this the fire goes on the sprinkler systems comes on the fire goes out well most of it at least give it a chance give the people a chance to get out now whether it's one house to house ten houses the density it really has been established by a plan in place to partner with our laws now we have infrastructure that is not in place we need checks and balances on that again they infrastructure held a suspect is holding a lot of people back from from doing their subdivisions i say this with experience from my own you know doing my land surveying and and trying to get people  to be able to divide their land and watching their dreams cooperate smoke as i call it all of the time and also our bill is being watered down i would like to see it brought up to the tree lots for less which that which they stopped about you know two thousand  two thousand and seven last time i mentioned about the tree lots or less i was a little bit naive but i got myself up to speed with the d s a and what it was all about what the tree lots less basically is for  families basically to at least have two lots extra for two kids cause the families build up with two two and a half that's an average that's not just making up stories that's what it is so now would only one house one one case i've been here before you've seen it and we're going to rid we're still praying and i'm hoping that you console members will step forward to says a good deal it's a start it's a step in the door it's all moving forward i hope we can even move further with this and give us a little bit more leeway one more lot is not asking for too much thank you thank you very much members any need for clarification seeing none thank you there now for their testifiers in the chamber there are no others testifiers who have signed up to speak in the in the chamber would anyone else like to speak i don't see anyone in the chamber let's go back to the district offices miss lono in the hot office has anyone come to testify somebody who runs out see nobody remembers there's no one else wishing to testify without objections i'd like to close public testimony thank you very very much members  had hoped that we were going to try to pass this bill out of committee today however there are some changes that have come up at the last minute and i feel are important enough that we would want to meet again for the very last time and i promise you this is going to be the last day because i am going to try to get this out of committee i'm not going to try i'm going to get it out of committee with your help on aug nineteenth with your d water resources committee meeting but we've had some recommendations from staff and of course you have been listening to the public testimony and you know what's coming in unfortunately my staff who normally handles this committee is ill and seriously ill and so she's not here with us and so we've had to try to work without her assistance also the things that came up last minute i think an important day we try to incorporate them in the draft build that all of you members and all of the public will have an opportunity to see before we meet i have serious concerns about bringing up changes in a bill that the last minute other than what w circulated that are important because that means that the public hasn't seen them and you haven't had a chance to see them before we sit here and i don't feel comfortable with that so what i would prefer we do today is that we defer the final  discussion and the final voting on this bill until our next meeting so that we all have adequate notice to take a look at the final changes that are being recommended and to have the public get input on it also so members that that's where i met and i'm open to any reaction from you are you ok with that any objections let me know no objections no objections are you going to have any kind of discussion now on i would prefer not ok i would prefer not to i find that when we talk about things that we're not sure what we're going to agree on what happens is that people get excited and think we're going to do something and then we change our mind and it just makes everybody crazy i don't think that's a constructive use of time i think it would be better if we just put the discussion include the changes in another draft bill get it out there to the public and to ourselves so we can take a look at it and we'll be ready to vote at the next meeting it because we are in session so without objection we're going to do that if you don't have it we're going to do it and we'll also make it available to the members of the public there are a few other changes that are non substantive and they are simply  references to different sections that have to be corrected but these changes i would like all of you to have been the public and we'll give it one more go again take a look at what came up today in testimony and what i'm getting and what all of you are getting i'm sure and we'll have a final draft for the nineteenth i also will feel more comfortable because unfortunately today turned out to be a day with a lot of conflicts and some of the members that i would really like to have here is the chair and mr victory no and they were not able to be with us today so i don't feel better if more of us can vote on this that we when we take it to full council would be comfortable as a committee so without further work on the  committee today members this meeting is adjourned i'd like to thank everybody for being here