street just trying to stack and see if there has been any issues with are the license or the license welshman's any question to concerns from the liquor control board any questions or concerns from the public in regards to these two  get on june seventh eighth and ninth any questions or concerns from looking for work in regards to the catering permits any questions or concerns from the public in regards to these two catering permits out we will get to the agenda items and discuss those in order so appreciate you holding on those but if there's anything that folks want to bring up that is not on the regular business will be happy to hear that now feel free to interact in the state revolving loan fund loan agreement for pulmonary engineering and drinking water agreement for pullin in the area engineering and so with that that's one that we've opened up a number of times so from i think all standpoint thought that it could fit in there now it's of course contingent on the other there items this evening as well questions or concerns from counsel regards the incision or any questions or concerns in the public great think you just feel needs tonight i want to do something leadership team has been working on starting in january of this year we've been focusing on some process improvements within the office so doing some quality improvement staff at the payroll process which right now we do is the one in the city who knows how to do so we're documenting that and water allocation fees and increasing process for things that touch multiple people new how to head out for the public and for our internal stakeholders as well so i think you need to take action on our teams putting a lot of work into it so i want to give them credit for doing it as you all know we lost our plan a straighter last week so the position is now it's really critical position for the city so it's now posted through all of our regular posting channels john oddie has graciously agreed to become the interim zoning administrator for the inside of that work and the master planning project management side of work all be taking on with support from heather and c c r p c and likely a consultant who will be coming back to me with more information about how to talk to the planning commission about our hope have her very very excited as she comes with a wealth of customer service experience or retired from fed ex as a customer service manager there and is looking to get back into the workforce and then a couple commu we have a newly developed when you ski trail crew that is convening so people are interested in thinking about how they assist with trail maintenance and upkeep in the city encourage you to reach out to each of filling a rec director or go to w they were brainstorming to figure out how to get more volunteers involved as monitors on the bus this is a service that runs from january and just completed last week and  to explore some other possibilities for bringing in volunteers and also i suggested he might be prudent to survey the bus drivers and to really understand the need for the butter's which i think is the week on the potential of some state involvement around governance structures of national airport so we continue to support those conversations and there's going to be a reconvening in the next week or so of the transportation committee in the senate side to consider some potential action it's probably in the session for an actual building move forward but we think that the involvement in and of itself is probably would have some kind of positive  inertia behind it so that's good we had a committee in the housing commission on monday of last week and great meeting one of the recommendations we're talking about is also bringing on a liaison from the planning commission in addition to just me being a liaison to the housing commission to help ensure that that body stays best of all the work being done because they're doing a lot of strategic thinking in discussions right now so we're going to be really aggressive as some of those ideas are to formulate they've really taken this concept that's behind us on the housing to ensure a mix of the housing stock that mean things occur in neighborhoods and they're trying to put here's here's the actionable things that we can get to and here's the things that we can benchmark and it was a really exciting discussion i think really is the beginning of real movement on some those hard numbers and items that council give a lot of feedback on last time at christmas here and then just following up that you know just you know i've met with mike o'brien chair the planning commission to and in regards to making sure we're doing the best we can to keep the strategic plan on track and on flow in we also just  you'll see in the original play in the commission's minutes the third taking up the climate change pledge concept and we're going to look at if there are some basic ways a city can participate in that we've had previous conversations about that but we want to make sure that before doing something like that it's got some meaning behind it we're actually functioning doing something and we all know how much bandwidth we have to be back in time two or three people so on the agenda which is its relation between the education funding bill that has been approved by the house and the impact that that might happen to communities  so there's not much i can do about that but i think i'm probably one of the few first works so i'm happy that explain further although it's really not clear where that bill is going in the senate finance committee is taking a lot of testimony and hasn't sent signals yet about where they want to that's certainly an issue that we need to be paying attention to and just to follow up on that we have rall the league's done a good job with a similar screen of the other folks and we're working on some kind of joint communication things are a little crazy right know with everybody in the legislators a thousand different issues hitting all these communities so we've had tremendous to be really blunt but we will absolutely be filing formal on behalf of the city concerned that they at least put a hold harmless clause in that legislation because in the past we've had issues with religious or changing tax rules and not understand the she brings to the commission i experience as both a realtor and a land forty minute ski and that hasn't been resolved represented on the commission before so i think she brings a perspective that really assists us and also a wealth of resources to bring to bear as well everywhere and this is where i choose to purchase my first home which was a duplex and i purchased another duplex here and i still think i probably under rent them because they're wonderful tennis and i first of june saturday the second of june third stage seven friday the eight and then during the day on saturday night additional jazz your bank robbery part will be scheduled for a saturday a second very excited thinking we have yeah only appreciate the professionalism experience that you guys bring to the table in terms of having a great traffics truly events in the city that obviously means a lot to do a good relationship so thanks for that anything else  you still didn't feel like justice people driving around and walking around your waist no energy that is still the case this year where all they can use will get free advertising free entertainment and will be as involved as they were  are right next step is when you skew wednesday's event permit application a very somewhat similar conversation yeah i'm going to have alicia finlay come up and join us so this was a very popular event last year and  first event review meeting i've given you the conditions that were required for this it will run very similarly to last year's event and i have a leash on here to answer any questions you might have some any thing we learned last year this yeah we're trying to get more in downtown participation in restaurants so where excited to see what that might look like a meeting coming up so yeah i'm excited to get to make it a interview or started small and quickly became so i'm just wondering what thoughts you have out the potential for crowds that grow that spaces i don't know how close we came to that  year last year we had roughly anywhere from eight to pander on the weather ranks anywhere from two hundred to three hundred fifty people so my thoughts i would love to see something like that happen of course that space wouldn't think we're still trying to keep it kind of where it's at to we like really home you know yeah i want to make it really make sure that's when you ski brand so when you ski businesses i'm not trying to bring out people from everywhere right i juncture just to cover shifts him but that's something that would stop by here before it actually happened but we're encouraging that somebody try something in the hundreds versus you know it's been talked about that place will hold a couple thousand right nice to see a couple coincide with the when you see public safety day i'm going to people's way but believe that the two will be mutually reinforcing with foot traffic between the two serving to cross promote the events conditions that we were fired or included in your package and staff recommends should to do another world yeah it's is kind of one b if you will where we are moving last year to land you think we're going to keep it as small we had sixteen teams last year and it will come to twenty four this year which shouldn't be a problem but kind of a second first event if you will being down there and i think it's even space is perfect for it and i think it's as soon as the public is kind of educated on it i don't know anything about it i think it could be really cool in space in the future career and you guys have it was last year or in your run up it was awesome still event experience again to see somebody with a little knowledge of that industry and that work to try to space that hasn't been used at home for events so it's great for us that's may know in a couple an improvement project we have a vehicle reserve fund specifically for the replacement police vehicles so this is a request to use thirteen thousand five hundred of those reserves to purchase the police and put all the equipment on it we need it now the police is expiring we have the option to purchase it for thirty nine and then if we are requesting that allocation to do that we found that it's incredible that having an officer on a motorcycle is incredibly incredibly useful for traffic enforcement and for community policing and he was the chief so i think it's a worthwhile investment to continue in the police department fleet jesters just tell us how you like to and do some things with traffic control that give you some flexibility is it sounds like it's achieve those goals has been a really useful tool and one of the things i stressed during the budget process was that i'm trying to find alternative ways to keep people engaged and have some alternative ways to patrol that doesn't take from the patrol divisions so it also helps with i think it's also just important to note that is it we find it to be really effective community policing  tool when an officer often officers don't like to be too far away from a vehicle when we only have two officers on board and want to back up each other across the city but an officer on a bike is you can have a conversation with someone on the street the way an  any questions concerns from the public decide to move this project for it in its entirety that would lean that would bring this question to the voters of whether we could move forward with applying for a financing package to do this project as you might remember from last week's meeting  will not be able to get the full commitment from our potential funding sources without a bond vote so this yes votes says to the community give us authority to stay at the table keep having these conversations explore this as an option and then give the council the authority in the summer when we bring you back that full financing model to decide whether to move the project foreign or not so yes vote does not mean you're automatically doing the project it just enables us to put together a financing package for you the project in itself  as you may remember is the full street reconstruction for the mile of main street from the railroad bridge to exit sixteen it's been designed in the community's vision of the me are particularly as part of the four base code process the  quarter study and the master planning process it would allow us to address the necessary and inevitable infrastructure needs that the city has in our water and waste water system and do that in a way to leverage non city dollars so state and federal funds that would it would subsidize and he will call dollars assigned and of course would also let us maximize the development potential of mainstream as outlined in your package on the agenda  agenda items the next steps if you so choose to move this forward you would need to approve necessity and reimbursement bond resolution saying that it's necessary to move forward with this vote you need to approve the bond warning for a special meeting you would need to authorize us to apply for the grants and loans that we've far identified and operates need to execute those grant and loan documents and also provide us any direction on revenue stream to hear from john that we've been able to identify some revenue streams that could offset the tax impact so we need your feedback on which of those you want to hear more about in the next couple of months in the last two weeks since our l financing model to you by the end of the summer and we believe we have pathways to the project that would get this done within about a two and a half percent increase to utility rates and property tax rates using new revenue  antigun and that there would be a dual option to face this project so respectively spring street the total cost to be roughly three point five million and that's project was implemented to a fountain in st this is sort of the i guess the retail section of the project that cost would be around the point three million dollars total and then if it were to extend to teigen street the total cost would be close to the floor but now nineteen million dollars along with those options there are other phasing alternatives so you could progress just the water that have used both that we would kind of use as a benchmark so those are kind of the scope options we've looked at and then we start getting into the modeling i think what i'll do is all just skip rate to the layouts for each fund so it's just you mentioned what we're looking at so this would be the waterfront so the total waterfront project is two point one million dollars and we've modeled it using and i surf loan which should be at minus three percent interest rate it thirty years so based on that debt service starting at the end of construction would be around twenty four thousand dollars so modeling that against our revenues coming in we we use the baseline of twenty around a two and a half percent increase to make up for this debt service along with that we're also looking at we're seeming a that allocation fee increase of ten thousand dollars which is pretty conservative we're using existing developments are very current on main street so i know i think one of the recent developments was around eight thousand dollars and the other was eighteen typical capital funding options so going to or soon or find a sewer find total project cost would be around six point two five million dollars and that includes sanitary and strong water costs so where they remodeled this using a u s d a grants at three point one two five industry thirty years and it also includes a thirty percent grant option so that debt comes out to be around one hundred forty six thousand dollars so very similar to the water finds our goal is to try to to maintain interest yes correct so along with looking at these rates as a gut check we also looked at surrounding communities to make sure that any potential really increases were feasible for a residence and so for example our sewer aids funding so right now our rate is forty eight dollars fifty seven cents per thousand cubic feet and if you go out to twenty twenty eight's we're looking a so jumping to the general fund suman works the twenty project cost for the general fund is approximately fifteen point two million dollars so that includes streetscape underground utilities and some work and based on the three point eight percent thirty year bonds the interest rate only annual debt would be around four hundred forty three thousand dollars the total one interest rate would be around one hundred fifty seven thousand dollars so really looked at what potential offsets could be used to for that debt schedule so what we're looking at aside a portion of that you hope by down the debt we looked at to finding future debt service expiration which happens and twenty twenty five and impact fees for to a tax free of approximately two point two percent of of projected twenty twenty tax free and then what we'd be looking to do is pay interest rate only and till that tiff expiration occurs twenty twenty five so that's sort of a high level overview of the funding modeling for each  one hundred fifty thousand would be the one percent peru's meals and alcohol tax sales tax doesn't have a huge impact here we don't have a whole lot of retail we are the only community and we are in a donut hole so all the surrounding communities around us have implemented this local options tax here so that's what that's what it is we do have a rate within our charter to implement it it would need to go we wouldn't need to take further action if we were going to implement it predicts here we likely would not from a general perspective those wasn't passed by a large margin but it was a hassle for the voters previously and in a year i think our budget about maybe fifty three or fifty four percent that would be a conversation we would need to have you know that from a parking theory perspective one of the reasons you have parking is to turn over parking so as we you know the area that john mentioned that's the commercial of main street i think there could be an argument to be made there if there were restaurant more restaurants there more establishment if they didn't want people to come and park for the day but the spaces to turn over there would be an argument to do that we have not assumed that in any of our models so it would really be a decision is that the right thing to do to make sure that vibrancy of the stretch of road and a future time we're not counting on that revenue for this project promote development and not not have to even put that that much costs on developer the transportation impact fees that is similar to we looked at surrounding miss they also have a transportation impact piece and what that is is as you create as you do these capital improvements there's more stress on those those new and infrastructure pieces  those were built using our best estimate properties and go the underground yes the transportation impact fees we basically took an average of other misspelling is around here so those need some more work and mean that it's there it's two thousand dollars annually right now so it's a pretty small percentage of the you know the debt service  last meeting to put together some models of what this could look like and what options could be and give you a sense of what that meant he was going to be so over if we decided to move this forward over the next four months we know the ones to really begin to to bring you weren't changes or impact the proposals or those kinds of things as you say this is this is not presented to you this is how we're going to fund it we're trying to give you a model of how it could be funded can we  some of these charges so the rates for both water and sewer have been relatively state for our rate payers and the community and what this modeling shows is an annual increase in the neighborhood showing her moving from six years of flat rates to annual increases around two percent and that is just a fund this project so i know we've also done some work on asset mapping  and so i'm wondering what other projects we can first see coming down the pipeline speaking in terms of work to be done on our water and sewer infrastructure so of i believe an attempt to clean up lake champlain there's all sorts of new regulatory requirements for municipalities around wastewater and stormwater so i'm wondering what potential impact those rules might have in terms so big picture this is a two percent increase in annual basis just for this project what other infrastructure projects do we see in the next five to ten years either because we have aging infrastructure that we've identified or things because these new rules are coming down so all started them jump and so i want to be clear that while you're right these rate increases don't anticipate other significant projects one of the things we were very careful in doing with this modeling was not touching our current capital allocation our debt service so this anticipates full allocation in future years to the amount we've been budgeting for capital  for preventive maintenance and capital improvements as well as that it does not poll existing debt service into this model so it's not so we're not not we're not assuming we want to do any other projects we're assuming we will continue to do the phosphorus limits that are there coming up now so one of our utility major is looking to try to address that kind of not the end of the pipe more in operation side at this point so we're looking at the flare pick up and trying to quantify how much phosphorus we're moving based on just are operational side and try to our goal is to not turn it into a large expensive capital project that are to play with filtration you know believe some of it is more of that works right now we have proof so seven hundred thousand of that is for the project that we just approved but there are some other looks like two hundred fifty thousand dollars for this project so just some of that money and get some return on it so that's something we're looking at is what is a you know feasible reserve balance a comfortable orders or balance that we should have so i'm sure we'll have more discussions on on but i do think it's important to note that when you are for the super fund specifically when we're looking at operating that budget around one point two million dollars annually and we have a reserve balance that will maintain over time over six hundred thousand that's more than fifty percent of our budget set aside in our reserves which is significantly more than we carry and most funds so instead of letting it sit there is there when we buy down debt to defer interest costs later that was our worry given that the water and sewer infrastructure is pretty old and aged out any concerned with running into any surprises in a project that could cause cost overrun and if so what like contamination concerns that's always a huge cost issue as you did to a project but i think the current estimate i would say the curtis with us is pretty conservative  authorize staff to go forward with putting together about an issue of i think there's a really key factor here though that nobody needs to buy into the funding values that are present here that's not a conversation had just merely expire by twenty twenty four to successfully complete the test it's the t v bank you know if nothing else happens for the life of the tariff we successfully pay off that we can pay for entirely right now solely by the property tax increment not by the pile of payments coming in up on the ground it's coming in solely with increments so that unless we have some devastating fire or something that really reduces our increment we are we will successfully wrap that  there is so the thirty nine to forty percent that you see projected here about the half million dollars set aside as you see at the on the general fund spreadsheet you see a reference schedule at the bottom those are all the different revenue streams coming out of the tips district when it retires you'll see that balance in twenty twenty five is about one point two million that's assuming that we are able to pay out the peace corps and the debt to ourselves  having said that even if we are so i did some rough back of beyond one calculations if we are able to if we're only able to pay off a portion of that peak or no and then no to ourselves and fully pay off the t thousand dollars returning to the general fund and that five hundred thousand dollars level to main street at the debt to peak or in the city with an additional was still returning to new revenues to the general  and again as we move forward if we decide to move this project forward and move forward in the next couple of months i think those are projections we would want to unpack as a team together and look at those models and that number is not net of expenses  tax so when the tears district expires we will continue to have those additional revenue streams that we can call upon so the total in twenty twenty five if all goes well the total return to the taxpayers is one point two one point three million and we're suggesting take half a million of that out and dedicate it to this project with this particular model this model could take over your statement earlier where even if we don't pay off the  ourselves we're looking at three hundred thousand dollars right so if we decide  if we need to if we see no new development in the tiff district which i don't believe is going to happen but if we were to see no new development in the tiff district and we were to negotiate with ourselves and peak or to stretch out those step payments then that one point two one point two million return would go these are rough estimates half a million to means three three or four hundred thousand to pay off that extended debt and three or four through the entirety of the loan and we have been successful in renegotiating it when needed necessary the most recent renegotiation resulted in terms that we were trying to be pretty aggressive in getting it paid back  you know that's a conversation that can always be had the second point is the c d c you know again the community development corporation was and introduced to help the financing and construction of the financial deal downtown when it folded it at any point in time and do whatever you wish with the city owns and can forgive it you can negotiate particular terms of repayment or whatever that may be the vision that that money that repayment was  city at one point in time or at the completion of the test with enough with the moon dollars in the back to help with economic development or whatever it is that we want to do it in the wisdom of the people who put the in the financial perspective they put i just from a phasing model perspective i mean it you know appreciate can think of watts of all the pros and cons of put on this list but i appreciate that but what was this a natural phasing or was this kind of a fo thinking of this in and then just out of curiosity for an actual construction when is this probably the law and something similar that we've seen terms of the phasing from construction standpoint or is it a drip one meet you demo the sidewalks there may be some phasing but no there isn't it wasn't a forced thinking the project could be performed that way and you know obviously there's there's additional increase in cost respective increase and that to control that there might be some programming around its meaning to us that there's no point that out that there wasn't like it wasn't necessarily a natural thing where it's like this really makes sense it was an attempt to show this is a possibility if you want of them they're trapped in some way and that's preferable to overdoing weyers of the project as a whole array in other  you know filling potholes this kind of operation costs putting a number on that's a little more difficult if we knew in water means a brick that went there would be very helpful but we don't unfortunately but yes there to saying yeah i really want to go for it and see us do it or know of other things about the i think it's really important to continue to give staff feedback as to the items that you want to see addressed in the future but what we do have occur in may so you have before you you have before you that bond warning language so before we move on the language on open up this item and we've got that we've got  so i think that's what it has to do that after you had made the decision to go forward or not go forward you know we did want to bring that to you for consideration action until we knew whether there was  financing model that could work i think if we decide to if we if you all and the city decide to move forward the options tax free now back to the voters we need to be very specific about how we using those dollars so to just bring my recommendation would be to just bring that back to the voters sometime before you've had this go nogo conversation doesn't directly tie net revenue stream to something then we wouldn't be able to tha sort of slowing traffic flow maybe my answer would be if we find ourselves in like fifteen years traffic flow has escalated so much on that corridor that we why now we want a third  so if it's a little cart before the horse but i think even bigger picture for me is the question of how affordability in this community and what this impact this project could have on the relative affordability and there's a lot of unknowns right and i really appreciate all the hard work that's gone into moving this project from concept to bond potential bond and pretty short time frame with new staff coming on board and also appreciate the fact that there are funding opportunities that may or may not go away in the future and in order to take advantage of them we need all these rules that we might not like so i want to say that i'm not going to vote in favor of this tonight but that should not be any say anything about the work done to get us to this point my main concern is the scope and magnitude of this project along that corridor when most of the parcels are owned by just a couple developers to me increases the likelihood that we will see rapid development of the border in conjunction with construction it makes sense that developers would say we're going to seize this time when the streets for help to redevelop these parcels and again i believe that was part of the vision for this gateway in the communities vision but i'm not sure that some of the ripple effects were well understood and i don't believe there will that enough today in order for me to support moving forward on this timeline i think the housing commission has done some good work in terms of understanding the landscape that we're in in terms of housing mix  housing so my fear is that we will see not have concluded look we need to include on housing in order to put some guardrails on the development and subsequently we will have higher rent replacing you know and i don't know enough about what the rents are in the board or but i do know that some of the new units for more than i've ever paid and when you ski and so again i mean we we go now have a planning and zoning administrator so the notion that we can fast track that work in order to even get it done before the august vote seems unlikely so given the concerns i have about the cost of the project and what that's going to do to property tax rates water rates sewer rates for residents  addition to the likelihood of development occurring in a way that makes those properties less affordable in the absence of our work on putting those i really appreciate it and i think a lot of that were thoughtful things that we need to be really cognizant of i think the planning strain is really important we've spent a lot of time will last six months especially really extolling the virtues of a formal housing and planned ahead and brought in a bunch of formal housing that's not what happened our city had pretty much total financial collapse our downtown rotted al it became a city that lost thousands of people and only had seven thousand people to begin with and there was a flight out of the community that's what initially created the new city being a really affordable place that a lot of beautiful outcomes from that we became a place that was right for a lot of diverse settlement we became a place where people who were starting in the country knew could find affordable housing but it wasn't because of bunch of politicians that made smart policies that's giving people too much credit and i think skews the narrative so i guess from my perspective and that sounds a little harsh but i think from a real perspective that's what happened and we're climbing from a price range right now and i think that that's absolutely accurate and there's a lot of work to be done around making sure that we do put some numbers in that continue support the stock in the form of the housing that we have but i don't think a future policy is saying let's keep something that's not in good shape and not working depressed in order to keep things affordable that that to me from a municipal management standpoint will governance for communit kind of a risky proposition it keeps us in a cycle of having really minimal investment opportunities on only the assets that we currently have so yes that part from a narrative standpoint something this whole lot is going to have to figure out what our thoughts are on an i don't know if it feels to me like the conversation is gone there are a few times like we're going to make we're going to make policies that are suddenly going to pump the brakes or cause  and that's that's just not reality and if there are such tight constraints restrictions and policies put in place there will be nothing built here and i will also add that infrastructure in a project like this supports the independent developer supports a nonprofit developer supports the person who wants to rebuild their single family home the same the scale is different but the infrastructure serves sure anybody can use it  forward when we're seeing the scope of development that that lies ahead and to put some guardrails in and we haven't done it and i agree that that's that's been handed focus the housing commission in that there are absolutely steps that need to be taken i think that i think this is not going to i think it will it's going to cost of development that's part of the point of it but frankly in redevelopment and good land use that's part of why we're doing  but i i do think that there's time for us on the housing commission side still to have a pretty thoughtful conversation in the bodies moving forward from a policy perspective yes i still see a window to to do that in conjunction with us personally seth i'm wondering if in your professional life you've seen in a while some of the impact  infrastructure improvements might have on community is and for affordable housing or subsidized housing organization being able to continue to build the most recent numbers are affordable housing units have reached in vermont were depending on where you're at some or some around two hundred eighty five to three hundred thousand dollars per unit to develop  terms of the costs associated with the infrastructure necessary to support that that's been the number one escalator from the financial perspective and a lot of that has to do with the limitation in joining funding opportunities with federal programs that are no longer active and just to be disclosed i'm going to be recusing later because you guys reconsider actually use the funding which i work for us to housing program structure so i step aside for those conversations federal and city but we rely on other funders at times to help with those processes infrastructures the thing that when we have conversations on the state perspective coordinating that investment together with housing in commercial development has been really key because it significantly lowers the barrier of entry for the affordable housing developers and if we wanted to have you know an in depth conversation about that you know a great person to be housing for mom who spends a lot of time trying to pencil out these projects where they're getting hit with waste water and water fees and to that point what we did with the strand project was going to try to get all of the applications available from the public data i would pose the eighty five percent of those projects were housing related going to the state for nonprofit housing development and saying we can't pay for these sorry i support this project going forward and i see the support as a yellow light not a green light i think it's going to be critical in the next few march to come in with the real numbers that can give us the confidence that this could be something supported by the community you know i believe not now but one because i think we're at a point with our infrastructure it's long overdue to be brought into the twenty first century and if we're going to have an inviting gate where you two are city i think this is the project to do so i also in support of moving this forward  i feel the same way about like the utilities situation i would also like to see our downtown extend from just the rotary you know moving it up main street to degree having some development there having some new housing having some more tax base would be helpful i would worry about its arse tax rate which is already i think third highest in the state claim even higher you know depending on funding but i think also having these various options is really helpful because the vision i have like i don't see the downtown extending all the way we have maine you know you get up near the highway i don't know how  then maybe when it comes to like street skating utilities think about where that benefit is vs maybe concerns about developing the entire corridor and pushing on affordable housing or something i think having the option to find some middle point there that we have that option makes it easier for me to say like yes l thoughts just i measure the housing thoughts but you know i think it's really hard this community took the biggest risk that any communities in especially from a size perspective i think has ever taken in the state of vermont in the redevelopment of the downtown just a mass of i will say roll the dice because it was done very thoughtfully but it took a lot of courage and it took a took a lot of foresight thought and really careful execution and it's i don't know it's the seller the works and it's i think that that successes playing out and something that we've we've truly benefited from as a generation of leaders was all the hard work that was done and when that idea came about the hope was it would become again this this economic heart for the town where there had been so many disappointments with urban renewal that you know hadn't taken hadn't taken root and the hope was that it would provide you know and injured for us and this is exactly having the type of interest we've had on main street interest there is exactly the byproduct that that project was intended to create and i do think we've been really thoughtful and deliberate about reaching out and getting a community sense of what they want those court orders to look like i think it we have to recognize that we are spending a significant amount of our capital in our capital improvement capacity and one thing i've been really happy employees with this body about over the years i've been involved is we've done taken those steps and movements in a group way and believed in what we were going after and understood that we probably sacrificed some of the things that we individually thought in our brain we could also do with that money and this is the highest calling of that sacrifice because it's a heavy lift not just for the community but for us from a future mantra perspective and we need to be honest about that and it means that our redevelopment of the other quarter is going to have to look very different we can come back and do this again next year and have that done on an all in st around spirit with slightly different situations there but regardless that's that's a fact that remains it's not going to it's not going to be we're not to have one hundred percent clarity on everything walking into this we're not there's going to be risk involved and there's going to be a  little risk tolerance with it and that's really hard to do with other people's money in the community but to me that's what we're put in these positions to do and the decisions that were being asked to make so you know i i do yeah i do feel like  in moving forward without knowing what a complete funding package looks like and i have to be we have the opportunity if it comes in at such a radically different level that what we're looking at to be able to react differently and but this allows us to put in front of the community and have people weigh on if it is something that is important to them and if they want to see it move forward i do support moving this project forward but i think that for me this really puts the fire under ensuring the kind of delivery that we have to get those guardrails up so that we are developing in a responsible way and i have a lot of anxiety about it and it makes me really nervous to do so but i also think that that is the point we need to continue to move that train for this fast as we can before it runs away from  us point i would also say that if should the vote be a positive on the bond piece you know i think you brought up a really important part is that you know i think instantly on the next the next step for us  is the communication to the community and that's something that's going to need to be directed very very quickly in terms of saying you're voting on this this number doesn't mean anything to people what's the potential impact and that that be  to them in a very conservative manner that also recognizes we might not even at that point have that those pieces all perfectly percentage of something with these votes work it's not the subtle way it works years of the way it works anywhere that would only be the case if the projections that were used for the approval by the voters came and the reality of it so different maybe really you just didn't know what the voter intent was what people approved of it that's the time i feel manager on developing messaging could i reckon in that count so if there is a vote also put forward and then dish will person to work on that police because i think we need to have a messaging how to relieve the people the financial pieces and make sure there's another set of eyes on that with me to ensure that we're comfortable with the numbers that are being out loud to the public because waiting for another round of meetings and i think it's and it's a couple sets of eyes to look at the financial thresholds to understand what the especially with the general fund tax implication rates could be going to be honest people probably aren't i mean there are plenty that will be but from over what's coming out of the you know of the reserve on waste water and water started probably not as much interest that tax rate one especially i think being really up front about what the potential range the council your policy that are so to the extent that you want to direct them to look at things within the next four months that's why they're there and they're there to do that work for you soon i think if that was of interest to you to say very you know we want you  questions concerns thoughts from the public which says that we're allowed to bond up to the twenty three million dollars threshold and we anticipate spending up to two million dollars in advance of taking out that bond so we can then reimburse ourselves  for when we take out that bonds that's very necessary in order to move the project forward through engineering before we actually start construction this resolution was drafted by our bonn council earlier it is not something that we are pretty so we recommend maybe and present to you a warning for a special meeting on may eighth and the public hearings required in advance of that on may seventh which you have a regular council meeting that night so we recommend holding that ok and so with that any questions concerns from the side on from counsel any questions concerns from the public application this is our internal process car policy where we say to you give us permission to apply for outside funding opportunities before we actually go forward and do it especially in a case like this which is and new endeavor not something that you have already budget for through the regular budget process so yes we approved this internal funding after application proposal and lets us move forward i would request that for each of the next four votes you also consider as part of that authorizing me to sign all of the loan or grant application documents there will be a lot of them so instead of bringing them back to you each time  need to sign would be very and mistreated if you want to come back the next meeting even if there's going to be more and more of those associated with it but yes we would need to see the funding stream anyway so that there's a matter ok so we can just one off each of those just if you could remember to put  water grant application i mean anything else you could any questions concerns from council in questions or concerns from the public seeing in hearing your letter came to motion you questions questions from the public will entertain a motion to approve the u s d a water and environmental program grant application authorizing jesse baker to sign on our behalf talking the same language across those two memos and that a little bit of detail here about sort of plans for such a plan community outreach on the project but i think that's an area that depended on the flavor of the conversation to make him talk further about so i'm hopeful the memo is fairly straightforward one thing i do want to know for you all in your pocket and i have the larger versions here is that i did include for those various financial models just a seven year projection we've modeled that out to twenty years but it was going to be like a tiny tiny print so i have here if there are questions or people want to see that data how further but i think it gives everybody a pretty safe comparison between top of the different approaches so when a pause there of and i ask if there are additional questions or comments on what was if we move to a bare bones projections around revenues coming in because people are excited about a new facility would be you know lower although it seems to be in the modeling you've done we're not assuming any real increase in revenue now due to a nicer facility right  i'm challenge i guess on the one hand if we move to a bare bones pool we won't see this increase revenue no no we don't have models that show what that increase revenue might look like and how that might translate in terms of overall impact and when the gentleman was here last month he indicated that a comparable community with a comparable pool was bringing in quite a bit of room in a year so and so i just want to check in about why we're modeling such low revenue coming yes you have no that's a really good question and i think in retrospect probably based on our conversation maybe something we should have updated you know i think again the numbers that market share based on the community i mean that we're sort of compared to similar sized demographic was basically they were covering their operating costs from remember correctly things were eighty thousand dollars a year only that they were bringing in for revenue that's with sort of a more built our pool right i think it's fair to say and i think the approach i would take certainly is if we were to build sort of the bare bones model which is essentially a replacement more loss of what's there now  i think it would be wise for us to model that off of the usage data that we've seen today which is what that number number here is right so so yes i think there is a discrepancy there on the annual operating side figure probably seventy five thousand dollars as i think to make the math easy number that he could add or subtract based on the scaling of that facility but it's a good question that it makes it difficult for me to think that it also seems to be morally located and makes it difficult for me to make a correlation there that are nice and your facility would call in new revenue the way one of the things mark and i talked about looking at waterville is that the community the core community is bigger yes but because it is more world nature it doesn't have the ability to draw from the surrounding areas in the same way that we feel like we probably would so figure in court just or you know probably some from burlington some prospects you know we have a bigger general population base that we could draw from and in that case it felt like a fairly safe bet you know the other argument you could go down as well as for all there's not a lot of going on this is kind of the one place to go  fair enough but again i think there are so many of those questions that you could bring up of why other communities are not exactly the same so again i think these models are are that their models thinking when  we've we've historically told that value of wanting to collect some revenue wanting to make sure that our assets were as open and accessible as all so if you want to you know as we move forward these conversations if the council wants to provide  different level of guidance or direct us to provide and tears came in system a model that would act look like we're happy to do that but we've been trying to be pretty conservative on our revenue projections for user rate the experience declines can and anybody say off the top of their head what the impact that tax rate would be if operating expenses were covered by revenue so when i look to the modeling in here and things are breaking everything out i think what i saw is that if we went from like the fallout projects down to the bare bones it was about almost forty percent reduction in cost which i feel is kind of significant in the pool is actually the thing that i heard the most about from my community members but the message that i always amassed is when is the pool going to really open like i've never actually heard anyone express that they're looking for an increase or at like an advanced facility  for me personally i think based on that i feel like this this break out of the you know the pieces east or they're listed individually should be i would like to see like all of those tied we seeing our existing community space raise enough yeah so i think what we're seeing is that there are definitely times as we during the busy season that their brands are particular that space is limited and i think especially if some of these  pool and the park make it a pretty desirable space for birthday parties you know can't groups whatever so i don't think we'd struggle to put that into play and that's why we really looked at it as a year round facility i think it's also a nice way to kind of development committee has done any kind of feasibility work to figure out what is possible to raise i do not see the honest with you i know they have plans to meet with a professional fundraiser who has been out of state and i believe is returning if not this week next i think is what he said but i don't know that they've done that level of work i think the number that we have thrown around very early on in the process as a group was more or less splitting the difference of the cost i think we all did that knowing full well that that was a really frankly aspirational reach and that was so that was even half of that four point four million dollar initial projection so approach kind of of saying at some point the city could draw a line and say this is what we're comfortable with putting forward and bridge a gap and it gives people in their reach for i would also just want to see some kind of  notion that maybe it was collaborative and i hate to say that because you don't want to steal from somebody the ability to say i really want to fund this but i don't know maybe that's not maybe that wouldn't work i'm just expressing some frustration at losing some of those items that have with the law get the life of the pool make it a safer facility and more predictability to a very i think it's tough though too because a lot of those items that i would feel was a necessity are some of the bigger ticket items to have the bigger financial impact because i think what we heard from the consultant last time around that the material used like them or pool or whatever that materialis m never heard of it the difference between that and concrete was like pretty significant growth the lifespan the sort of you know it's you know that's one of the bigger ticket items that's going to stretch a lot longer down the road and we're actually investing in a that specific item i think will there is a return on investment there that will pay for itself you know the difference in cost up front over the twenty year life of that first twenty years you know the bottom life of that pool would be caught back because there's not concrete work it's a it's basically a stainless so there's actually leads previously was we're losing tons of water right i mean there is a lot more we think we were oh no we know we were you know the previous caller was concrete with a liner over it and him when leaks it happened the chemicals had started to erode the concrete behind it and created some structural issues and the other nice thing about the murtha system is that there's a last structural concrete needed because it's a later structure so that's another savings up front but yeah but still two hundred x two hundred thousand i would i would be comfortable sticking with the recommendations that engineers have stated would not be significant  i think yeah i think that i think your point of going to be if i think the savings over time between the two systems is not hundreds of thousands of dollars it's probably more in the order of tens of thousands of dollars  i'm also comfortable with that deduction lists but on that note about cost versus maintenance i think a slide and it's very features are made it's nightmares like down the line liability for sliders for a future of a i'm happy to ask mark that question and i think i think if it were a significant concern it would have been captured there is in the information from last meeting kind of a spelled out equipment and capital budget over the twenty year life for the poor and that included all the equipment all the bits and parts that are going and so that's the pumps for the the spray features the slides all those things so those costs were big ten to that operating budget over the twenty year life i don't remember offhand yeah concrete versus you know whatever goes on the slide what those costs work but you know suffice it to say it's it's big into the projection here and then the second question sorry liability so we have talked a little bit about that it's been a while back early on in the process of our especially in the context of diving boards we talked about that so i think those were removed and are pretty routinely being removed from facilities because of increased liability from what i recall our conversation with was and samson the other features are not the ones included here are not highly different in the liability so i was flying it now also as we discussed before adding a slight also increase our staffing hundred in thirteen and fourteen yeah so yes so from the full the full project as presented to the bare bones that different sense of feeling about brain around seventy about this an would advocate for some middle ground reducing some of the more luxury features that we're looking at here like this yes waltham so what you could request is for sort of drive us nuts but what you could request for if you want to use your model of trucking out financing is say add back in health safety and longevity items and what that number looks like in because this is not this list is not done between they just look for where they could save money they were not looking for what is functional versus i don't see a luxury item are there other tech to our questions about this information as i want to turn the process a little bit in timelines and what we're dealing with there but i don't want this conversation off the more interesting talk about that list or the operating costs annually not included debt service capital was right around that same number at around eighty thousand to start so theoretically it would be about a one to one and a fully utilized pool to revenue to expenses operating expenses and then hot it's my job other questions comments concerns and that i'll just say to that certainly i would feel strongly as we've represented that body throughout that there be i don't think this body is expressed any interest in getting into taking our pencils out and specifically engineering things that we will leave that the conversation the competition for staff with the engineers and with out ok can we go back to trailing through progress funding timelines and walk through i think maybe what i just think i mean the ultimate question is i mean i'm hearing some some ideas about cost your perhaps was a base amount and then having a fund raising levels that are widely accepted concept the people that to explore and additionally and have the money that we need to actually build the pool that's a big concern of mine so i don't well that's why i said i think it's important to figure out which pieces  think to recommend that when this comes back we have and ousts of the community service department this sort of strategy thinking about service provision  over the next few years can you say a little more about yeah sure i think similar to spending a lot of money on one of the structure projects we need to stand the ripple effect or potential capacity that we have to invest further from an operation standpoint and infrastructure and put in the other community services and i just i just there's lots of conversations taking place that only don't hear about them so i just want to point out that there's anything else that kind of been in the hopper of it's been a big topic at the community service commission standpoint having those come forward now from a value perspective would be very helpful so you know if the if we're going to have this vote in six months later also have a proposal to open up a new portion of the department require us to staff and this is why we think that's a really good idea not asking for competing ideas to come out of nowhere and just it wrapped up that leaves are no i guess primary date for potential bonbon if you wanted to marry up those two go no go decisions there's obviously also an opportunity at the november  election that would give if that if the council spent the next two or three months kind of coming to agreement with the fund raising committee about what those piece rates were going to be and projections that would give a couple more months to the fund raising committee to raise some of those funds in advance of a bond vote in november and then of course there's always a tiny day vote in march which would give more votes for fundraising i think the question becomes do you want to see demonstration of countries in before you put a bond or after  i think i think what we understood from mark is with august vote we could go through and nearing and bidding to start construction sometime during the following fundraising committee sees the features and raises revenue that could be you know we're branding up to now have a good list and i think that's about what we can talk really identify the goals we're looking for and put a recommendation into place so just for context or history we have to create outdated systems we have a server here at city hall that serves only nonpublic business accounts so we have two challenges in front of us one need to do something with that server two we have maxed out our e mail accounts and we're making staffing decisions based on who needs email and he doesn't which is modern day and presents a huge opportunities actually for staff right now for example john rusher and ryan can't share files ryan said public works and john is here so they're e mailing back and forth documents as opposed to being able to work off the same documents  all of those leadership goals what we're asking for tonight is approval to use twenty thousand eight hundred forty nine dollars of f y seventeen fund balance to fund the one time migration costs of migrating all of our data that's currently on the server annual maintenance costs associated with this solution you will see in the memo presented that we are proposing migrated solution in the future so what we have budgeted for f y nineteen and are proposing now covers everybody who currently is on our system for f y twenty we're recommending using moving basically bringing in all of our part time firefighters and then in f y twenty  bringing in all of our public safety officers police and police and dispatch assuming dispatch is still with us so that would be an increase in future years but we can cover current costs with what is budget so the twenty eight thousand and twenty nine thousand is really those one time migration costs and if you decide to allocate those dollars tonight will still have a three hundred sixty seven thousand dollar balance in our f y seventeen fund balance account that we can decide over the operation and gives you some extent of flexibility sympathize as indicated they can do this before the end of the year we will have about a thirty six hour window where they do the final testing over the weekend so we will be down for the weekend and they come to questions from counsel seen he here so we come to every year for the approval of this it's required that you approve our local emergency operations plan what you have before us a state required template there's actually this is the extended template that we think has more  brings more assets with it there is a four page template we could have provided that would have been simpler but not given us the depth we need to really manage emergencies so time is a discussion i don't happy to answer questions about it  to any questions or comments concerns from the public ok so seeing and hearing none thank you very much appreciate all your work on that thing this important thing and of course for commissions and also strategic vision areas is really the way we're trying to search through thinking about things so we've got the community service commission public safety public works  counselor come to that because i think would be really helpful to see with those are the thing i would warn against is it gets a little uncomfortable or there is more than two counselors or me in accounts or in a room  it doesn't violate open meeting laws that's a real misnomer just because raul at the same meeting if we're not directly engaged in policy but it becomes difficult to separate and not ideal so i  and the coalition for safe and peaceful community which is actually now as we heard from there update the partnership for change also in their charter purchase percept for prevention  i'll open it up and see if folks have had time to think about what their areas are you know what we've said the past is it's really good for people to move around from time to time and i don't know of existing well you know you've moved to speak to the value very useful in terms of better understanding the work of the person perspectives of the members on specific issues within that department i'm not sure how i feel about every year changing because i do think there's a learning curve associated with taking on new department and some commissions i think do more than others so just in terms of the meat of the engine they have  what we're going let's all do this the same way sit at the table feel free to engage in conversation discussion you're not voting and just try to be respectful of the fact that this is their opportunity to help shape policy it's not our job to come in with the policy and say here's what we want to do here's the outcome we want you to reach make sure you get there that's up with that process works and the one exception to that i'm still not going to sit with the planning commission because they have a different state authority so just add to that i do you know as the leadership team was talking about these commissions of the new council on appointments i think one of the things that would be helpful for us moving forward is that the staff liaison commission has a staff member appointed and a council liaison do work hand in hand in and ensuring that the policy extension arms the commissions are doing the work the council wants to see and that are now not necessarily or bring back a specific policy but are bringing back recommendations and data for you all that you believe your body wants to see i think sometimes we as staff feel put in the position of having to be your spokespeople and it would be which is fine and our job is to implement your vision but it would be helpful as the if the co liaison's can can help take that help carry that mantle of what the council's looking for from the commission's good point it's a delicate balance to look at them and i think that that the could be more intentional in what the process by which we send things to commission i think would be helpful for us to think about that when we do our retreat i think we've made some improvements on that morning here at the recommendation of the group last year there was a really good feedback and i think we've i think i mean i think your voice is a really no it last up there and i would agree that having not spent a ton of you know no longer snow in there that you've got a star at being really effective and that makes a lot of sense based cheering  specially interested in  very there's one item on here i want to point out that we've had some says teacher conversations about the number one i'm going to bring back original plan commission alternate we need to grow another some folks are planning commission and i think we've got a couple people who have expressed some interest in that so we're just going to work through that with talk to staff a lot about that we are having conversations on the green mountain transit poor piece that board position has been a real first some odd reason the transportation in the in the state thinks it's a good idea to hold their meetings all over different locations and then voicing frustration publicly that i wish to them at ten am in the morning in the middle of people's work days so we have h of routine cast of people volunteer and not be able to keep up with that because their jobs and responsibilities so and because of some of the operational nature of it we've had a discussion about appointing a staff member potentially for that when  that could be a proposal that comes up i think it's fair if you want to say hey try to find a staff member who's also resident that would be a good thing from a user perspective that and then have the alternate be a resident who we are keeping in check having served there is no concern of that will probably keep pursuing that conversation generally but there's interviews coming up anybody have an issue with that questions concerns comments or somebody would take the  kate and everybody for you for those subgroups awesome think you all it's a great opportunity hope you enjoy it if you've got questions the other thing that i usually ask is if you're not able to make it meaning it's important for perspective to so this is an item that we've talked about quite a bit so i think i'm just going to write a side and see if there's a sense we've got you know a resolution that was passed in burlington it's going to be up for consideration on the sixteenth but we've had some residents express interest in seeing  do is putting it forward that supported resolution for that and i think what i tried to put in here and one of the i guess it's option number two is what it's now being called out in the world is there  three points that you could write up very easily and i would need a lot of guidance from you one point in the earlier john that to bring a resolution back next monday that could be supportive of that so you know what this document outlines for so as a community and we were taking this opportunity to point back and say we've also asked you for that so we that you will consider given their the way out you know just to be blunt self growing tunes talking about the same thing think you know you're i think there's a just a couple items on it the resolution that was submitted you know with all due respect to the author has some what i would say challenging to to substantiate items in there that we want to that i know i would trying to put it into a draft form on the time on the run might be challenging but we will ensure that everybody ok and the crux of our previous resolutions that we'd be going to the the final statements that their forests have been were requesting that the airport be removed from this round basing and our questions and concerns have not been addressed or answered substantially so if we're doing the revert back to those items of the say a number of other things in raising the ritual concerns but those are really the central their force responsibility of pursuing in any kind of offsetting any impact offsetting measures that are available be that through the f a a or other means and that was important because we didn't want to just limit the scope to saying we'll go to the f a a that there that there be a commitment there to take concrete steps which to my knowledge we have not we have not heard from them so that's that's what was the previous kind of turn around that it over to him yeah i think the resolutions pretty self explanatory and so i think what i'll do is rather than just belabor and drone on like i usually do just do this when he has resolution and read it and then folks have questions we can  forth please so whereas the u s constitution requires the census every ten years to count each and every person's and the country regardless of age race gender ethnicity or citizenship status whereas collected by the census is used to determine important functions of our democracy such as the drawing of legislative districts congressional seat assignments in electoral college make up in addition to how federal funding allocation decisions are made and how local and state government makes important policy determinations where as accurate population data is crucial in ensuring that these important decisions are made appropriately whereas when you ski is the most diverse community in vermont home to many new american and immigrant community members where as commerce secretary wilbur ross announced that he is directing the census bureau to ask all respondents to the twenty twenty census to report their citizenship status whereas i hate and fear caused by recent increases in civil immigration enforcement and deportation activities has created an environment of distrust and a decline in participation or interaction with government services for many whereas inclusion of a citizenship question on the twenty twenty census is likely to severely depressed participation leading to an accurate total population count whereas when you ski is the recipient of federal and state funding determined by population day data and inaccurate population counts could have significant harmful full impacts to a new ski residence through potential threats to future funding whereas when you city and state of vermont policymakers and government ploys are reliant on accurate population counts and census data to inform local and state policy decisions that have significant impacts on the lives of community members therefore be resolved at the when you see city council request that one commerce secretary wilbur ross and the commerce department modify their position and direct the census bureau not to include a citizenship question on the twenty twenty census two congress passed legislation to override the commerce department decision to include a citizenship question on the twenty twenty census using its basic authority under the constitution three the president and administration officials commit publicly to uphold the census acts basic privacy and confidentiality protections including instructing federal agencies not to request from the census bureau or use personal information collected by the census bureau for their own don't know what i'll say to is is and i'm not speaking in a school in regards to the specific got the specific resolution in the past in a lot of cases we have not taken up resolutions like this in a practice it's a newly comprised body and i think it's important for people to have an opportunity to kind of figure that out as a group in a body i think this is an important issue personally so it's not a focus on the issue in any way shape or form but just in case that was a road that you're interested in going down i think there's going to be time and space for that conversation this or soon we get to the strategic body about what kinds of statements you guys want to see come forward what issues and what i think that's something that we've got to figure out and fill out because i knew where the last council stood there was a fusing this is a new body and it's a new day and we want to be respectful  bias is not to make political statements and so some of this feels political like calling out specific individuals government actors  feelings about the developments with respect to the census and the potential impact that that could have on the community at the same time i'm reluctant to get into a pattern of every time something outrageous happens in washington we pass a resolution definitely through the end of that i do for i don't feel like this is as grounded in making a political statement as it is a functional need  how negative of an impact when it comes to potential federal funding this would have on our community and so i guess to me that you know specific individuals have taken specific action and so that's why those specific individuals are called oh man but i don't know i don't have any interest in nor do i think this body should make statements for the purpose of making room unless they have a significant impact on our funding for like we're reliant on this data to do this role effectively we're just talking about the same goals and so much of our did is built on census data so for us to be able to do that work in an intelligent and direct way do any good for us and i also feel like it leans towards this political statement that maybe could alienate some of our community even it's like i think that and that question to the census is going to reduce participation and their critical data but i don't see the value in putting this out there if we're not going to get like doing these i guess this is back to like the bright sanity or the problem discussion it feels to me like there's not making this effort doesn't get us anything so i also disagree there and i think one of the points how is making there are a lot of communities that are standing up and i think are municipalities play an incredibly important role in shaping policy directions from the local level to the state level to the national level in our voice is really really important in advocating for our interests as a community and so on and so i you know it's we might be small it might not have a lot of individual impact but to lend their voice to a larger conversation that is going on i do think i've got a warm opinion about the efficacy of things like this and happy to share i think that's a different strategy conversation i'd like to have heard down the road a little bit and then try to wrap this specific resolution up and i'm again i'm not trying to just quell conversation if there's additional conversation debate on that that would just be american dish in this evening so i think that's a really large sort of what do we want our body to work on what do we want our voice to be and what do we want to about the importance of objective census process that does not include questions such as this one seems to be designed to reduce so i think a lot of th feel safe please king i guess that i mean that i would feel like we're further reducing efficacies because if we're not calling for a specific action then it's just a bunch of so recommendation has been made for a minute to generalize therefore statement your interest in drafting something else like that other original one or would you like to see action on it as presented well would people feel more comfortable so i did three of their forests really it's asking for a public affirmation it's against the law for any federal department to use personal information collected by the census even to have access to it they can only have access to the aggregate depersonalize data so really in essence it's already against the law for item three to happen and if so if people are uncomfortable with item three it to are the important part and ensuring that the census question is not asked so i'd be fine with accepting a friendly amendment to strip it in three and move forward with the resolution with the items wanted to is there fo concerns from council on the resolution any comments questions concerns from the public so seeing hearing and seeing the motion on the resolution