typically we hold a public hearing and an application and then deliberate decide on the application for moving on to the next application you're welcome to stay for the deliberations but there is no opportunity for further public comment if you like not to stay for a deliberations  decisions you can call the city clerk's office after eight thirty tomorrow morning to learn the results will hear the applications in the following order construction zoning housing dangerous structures with that said will you please first will you please read the first application zoning ordinance requires paving of the entire driveway is there an applicant here to speak on behalf of the application yes please state your name and address for the record jeremy shoemaker one seven zero three four and  process to get it divided separated and back into the realm of of of being used it's been a storage building for a long time and and the both driveways go into the building kind of got depleted over the last fifteen twenty years and and just proposing the best way to do it and try and trying to do things the right way that's all great anyone from the board have questions from a yeah i do i'm not an expert on paving i'm hoping that you're going to be able to enlighten me a little bit one of the answers to your question so that you're going to be having sharp the trucks doing sharp turns on the  wouldn't hold up well with crushed asphalt hold up better under that situation or is it just easier to easier to fix and you can you can patch it and you can resettle it it'll it'll actually compact down almost like asphalt you  just don't you know what the trucks turning to mean the roughly way about eighty thousand pounds so when you start doing some tight turns on that stuff it creates a mess ok and it's just easier to patch it having the same result of a hard of well the the current owner has owned the building since it was before before it was part of holland city it was fillmore township before and there was really no requirements of which drive where they used and and it  was a matter of trying to determine the best way to go in there i didn't really find a figure out a great answer to that question just because it's it was something that we're just trying to trying to figure out the best way to get into the into the property because it's land locked in there and the whole part the whole parcel was owned by the church in many different purchases and combined together and and in from when i went from fillmore to want to transfer over into the city there was no requirement of which way to go in and so forth but it's just they were just looking for an approval you know a driveway to go in there and just trying to figure out the best way to do it so what you're saying is a property was developed the way that it is now before it was an extended the city ok and that there weren't those requirements at the time that it was developed and all those purchases from the whole parcel that got split up were all owned by the church before it came into the city so you know there was nothing that they did the current owner  but that these were the driveways that were there so we're just using the best one the other option was to come off of and you can see on that picture it goes right over to blue star highway or washington there and that's right by the overpass was just is not a safe place to have a driveway enter coming over the overpass especially when you start looking at some my truck's so in this other drive it was kind of in place and it also you know we're we're just trying to put a driveway and we want to put a full road back in there so  it's all cornfield there in our soybean field so it's kind of in the in the middle of a field anyway and i kind of assumed that the whole paving the driveway thing was mainly to dos you know to keep dust down  realized that those by him i was trying to catch the cut off for the previous month a meeting here and with the snow days and stuff and everything was closed i thought i had till the next day so as a last minute thing film that also i apologize that and in going through some of those questions i didn't really understand quite how a couple of them really applied to what i was trying to do the the use everything for the building has and all the setbacks because it's just tucked away in the back corner you know in the middle of a big chunk of property we're all kind of in place we all kind of we had engineers out there we had surveyors out there everything kind of lined up we're not trying to really change any of that stuff we're just trying to get have that going in there and we can kind of kind of accomplish the same goal without having that finally finished surface well that was kind of our hope would you say be prohibitively expensive to pay for all of that and maintain all of that paper it would be really expensive and he's you start looking at you know you're talking probably an extra twenty to forty thousand bucks you know just in i think my initial quote to pave from there to the front of the property was it was over almost thirty thousand dollars and that was a twelve foot wide driveway so it's a long ways to go and just going through that field you know i figure the  thing we wanted to accomplish was to protect the road area and that's why i proposed even if we did instead of asphalt i would even consider doing concrete up there just to just to know that it's good and heavy duty and safe for our trucks and that way we don't damage the road so to be fair to say that your current proposal is actually better for your use case then asphalt would be in terms of long term maintenance yeah yeah it's much better surface for us you know just coming in and out of there asphalt just gets all torn up in fact the place i'm renting right now it's all cracking and you can't set a trailer on a ticket sinks through it like melts in in the heat so there's a lot of stuff that you have to be really careful  and tricia would it be fair to say that in consultation with the city attorney that in this case exorbitant costs could be considered a burden ok thank you does anybody else have any other questions would somebody like to make a motion i'm sorry does anybody else have any questions for that thank you is anybody else here to speak in support of the application and if not is anybody here to speak in opposition to the application if not then i'm going to go hang close the public hearing and open it up for deliberation or motion amongst the board i'm ready to make a motion if we prove motion by box to approve support by livy find facts please yes based on the application and the statements of the applicants i do believe that the requested variance is due to the unique circumstances and physical condition of the property involved namely the  the size and the dimensions of the property as well as the distance of the buildings from the roadway and any excess in any other accessible driveway or way to be able to get from the roadway to the buildings i do not believe that the requested variance is the result of the actions of the property owner previous property owners based on the fact that this property was developed prior to the time that it was annexed into the city and that any decisions that were made would have been made under a different set of rules and that the city's rules and so it would cause them of these issues because the city chose to annex this property in as part of the city i do believe that strict compliance with the regulations regarding paving of the entire driveway would be unnecessarily burdensome be incredibly high cost to pave plus the fact that that has full service surface would not likely be the most advantageous surface to be able to be used for this particular property the cost of m of maintenance and the fact that it probably isn't even the the right surface to be using for the paving in the first place and i do believe that the requested variance is the minimum variance necessary to do substantial justice to the applicant as well as other property owners in the district  they have agreed to pave that first one hundred feet of the end of the drive in even looking at doing concrete during that of that first one hundred feet and i don't do not believe that the requested variance would cause any adverse impact on the surrounding property property values or the use enjoyment of property in the neighborhood or zoning district did you get all that excellent i i think the only the only standard that i would i would impose on this or the condition that i would impose on this is  ok with all the conditions red in the findings of fact i would like to call for a vote place thank you and with regard to zoning there is no further there is no unfinished business at this time and so i would like to open up the public hearing for the housing education with that miss prince could you please read the sampson cation is from brandon wrapped from five forty six pine avenue he is trying to finish a basement in bathroom and a bedroom excuse me and bathroom in his basement and is questioning the six feet seven inches of the ceiling board more or just would you like to open up the question just open up to questioning i think hopefully the application server what i was trying to say if you have any questions and i can hopefully it's a church so it's our understanding that you're looking to reduce the height down from the sixty eight standards currently at seven and a half six seven and a half and your estimate you need an extra half inch so you get i'm not a i'm not a contractor but we've got a couple of months here quarter inch drywalling quarter inch for flooring seems like a seems awfully thin to me is it possible it's not standard but it's possible and that would and that would fit under code to be able to do the quarter inch drive on the ceiling and a quarter inch of flooring ok so when satisfied with questions on the worksheet ok thank you very much is there anybody here to speak in support of that occasion and if not is anybody here to speak in opposition of that occasion and if not i'm going to close the public hearing on this request and open up for deliberation amongst the board it would have any thoughts motion i move we are proof motion to prove by box support by davis findings of fact yes i do believe that there are practical difficulties and hardships which would prevent the carrying out of the strict letter of the code are the fact that this is already a completed basement and would be terribly difficult to either raise the ceiling height or lower the floor in this particular in this particular  home and i do not believe that the requested variance would would cause a problem with the health safety or welfare of the occupants or of the public it's only a one and one half inch difference off of what the code a bedroom or bathroom and i do not believe that would have any impact any negative impact on surrounding homes thank you any conditions we also just the stay within the six feet seven and a half inches  i'm sorry six feet seven thank you six feet seven i want to make sure he's got enough room for the flooring and for that the ceiling there's the hard wired smoke detector would be required anyways aye all those opposed minutes are approved the next mean days march twenty seventh two thousand and fourteen and i'd like to join this mean i have a motion to adjourn so moved