we don't have enough time to complete entirely in fifteen minutes there are two commas of two common methods of punishment your honour's one is imprisonment and the other one is monetary penalty which includes criminal imposing more imprisonment being x post facto precisely your honor and i don't know how this happened when i received the court order indicating that i should be prepared to argue how the expos tell us precisely what changes were made by the more recent statute that had an adverse impact on your financial position  thousand dollars in that case it's clear that the second statute has cut it down or converse through the other way would and it would help me if you could tell me precisely what you think  forfeited under eighteen u s c thirty six sixty four and as and and then the state exemptions which are allowed under the federal debt collection procedures thirteen section thirty six thirteen specifies the property that is exempt from execution to satisfy a federal criminal judgment either for a fine or for restitution that statute which is exempt from restitution judgment that that statute in one thousand nine hundred four incorporated the provisions of the internal revenue code title twenty six section sixty three thirty four that's the exemption provisions of the internal revenue code there has been no substantive change in that statute title eighteen section thirty six thirteen since it was adopted as part of the bill reform act if this case had come up in  so all disability income from private disability insurance policy was at the time subject to execution and is now there but you also have to execute under the statue the gives you a four ten yes your honor now under federal law as set forth in section thirty six thirteen it provides that we can use all available means in our work in executing and on federal restitution juggles out about it  advantage of various what we think are advantages in state procedure and we're going to try to collect this judgment under state procedure but in doing that if federal law is more helpful to us we're going to apply f are advantages to us if there's something that we don't like oh no that multiply federal or congress your honor has determined that with respect to the enforcement of federal criminal restitution and fine judgments all property of the judgment here says nothing at all about federal rule rule sixty nine of the federal rules authorizes judgment creditors to make use of procedures that are available to judgment creditor's in the state or the district court sets that's not and procedure in the sense of prestigious versus substance that is saying instead of procedures they could have said look you used the word laws and i would have had the same effect is that your argument as to why this is procedural state statute only allows you to collect against certain things you can't use seven or eight that for ten to to file a lien on somebodies house it's only applies to certain kinds of judgments you can't go beyond doesn't require such if if there were a federal statute that said in connection with such and such kind of proceedings no notice was required that would be my friends for the end of it but i'm i'm giving the hypothetical of federal statute doesn't say anything about it and the state statute says you have to give notice to certain people you say well we'll apply we're proceeding under the state practice but we don't think we have to give notice to that wouldn't be a substantive to apply the m v ouray ancillary to why it's exemptions ancillary to the state procedure if that can be done why that wouldn't be an post facto violation the answer judge pool is that the m p r a did not affect the the ability of the united states to reach the money that's involved in this case which  four congress adopted the bill reform act which in acted section thirty six thirteen and it made federal criminal judgment foresman subject to the same exemptions that are set forth in title twenty six the internal related to the question of whether the the particular property that we're talking about which is the disability insurance policy litigation recovery is subject to execution to satisfy a federal criminal six thirteen there was an amendment and nine hundred ninety four when the antiterrorism act was adopted the amendment changed slightly the exemptions that are available to federal criminal judgment debtors but it did not affect any any provision with respect to disability income so there's been no change in the law as a result of that ok thank you thank you we are not hearing an appeal from that case however what we do in this case have any affect on the real world  the real world consequences of that the session the real rock the real world consequences rather would be that the district court that's the has jurisdiction of the interplay or action would know how to disperse the money dissolved necessarily the interplay the dispute is no longer a dispute who gets it it's clear else to georgia and not to the government yes right i think the technical technical term would be that the this court would determine that the property is exempt from execution under the statute that the that the government has proceeded under in accordance with with judge business and that it would destroy it would eliminate the controversy which is because they believe that there were several parties that were claiming entitlement to the money including offshore course aeration is other people that are more than just mr george and the government it's started out as more mr george in the government it started out as mr george the government his former lawyers who have now been paid and other third parties i believe that the procedural status of that interplay are actually at the present time is that all those other even though we don't have the money in this case