the morning there are a fireplace support for many issues in this case i don't have time with all of them so i'd like to deal with just a few and leave the rest for my grave i would really suggest that the fact that i'm not dealing with certain issues doesn't processing by the computer to delete or replace that symbol is not a neg that recognition part focuses on the second half of that statement and says that xerox two has decided infinitive recognition  user inputs into the computer twenty six letters of his or her own handwriting and then when a sample letter or word is injected into the system  then depending on the number of letters in the word there are four letters in the word you have four times twenty six or one hundred four different dissimilarities numbers and the computer then generates the shape matrix even at that point the computer is not pick a word it's not pick a letter it is only after the dictionary look up that happens after that point that the computer makes a choice all you have similarity numbers possibilities probabilities the computer does not make a choice we submit that that is not definitive recognition and we further submit that comes reliance on snippets on words from dirk that talk of single letter at a whole word recognition or individual characters where you are expert witnesses have made it clear that early that that is a hindsight analysis and after the shape matrix you can go back and look at those letters to say that indicates that there is definitive recognition before that point is inconsistent with the basic operation of her you know there's a second sufficient graphical separation to commit the computer to definitively recognize the symbol on an up argues that xerox to wipe out that our position in zero six two was that there is a precondition for definitive recognition of sufficient graphical separation in xerox one this court found that there was definitive recognition instruction would have found that the that graffiti xerox the problem symbols were in fact graphically separated so all they were saying was that if in fact under those circumstances if you found definitive recognition you necessarily must have found graphic separation only because it's a precondition of finding definitive recognition and what progress was they cite every page of the book except page twenty two ninety three of the function at least in part of the sophistication of the system that's doing the recognize in other words you could have one rather crude detection system which would be incapable of distinguishing among otherwise seemingly different characters and another one which is very good at doing it and would be able to make a determination between two letters that are otherwise but pretty similar right  under underpants approach if you have a system that is even in take distinguishing between anything because it was dark it was a guard system they say that as long as the system is saying i'm through i'm not it doesn't make any difference whether the weather than the weather is accurate or not doesn't make a difference whether anything has been recognized or not or the only key to that this has somebody said i'm sure it's over and all i'm saying is there's an hour that graphical separation built in to the definitive recognition definition and you must have accuracy in fact judge of clarity every symbol must in your system in the system of this invention must do it that doesn't mean that a drug comes out and says i want to write a word and writes something that's totally question what in your view is the distinction between graphical separation and being well separated and sloppiness space graphical separation symbols are designed to cope even with with sloppy him right but isn't that another way of saying they're graphically separated you know what i'm saying they're both graphically separate yet one  would be concerned if i had a system that would have some graphical separation i would have trouble knowing whether i had crossed the line of super graphical separation that you just identified so it gives you some tests and it tells you how to find out whether it's sloppy or not i don't think you have any trouble doing that if i could cope with one more question the burr this is a question as to whether b r has a disclosure of directionality stroke direction now there is a reference to the vector the two defect or with orientation in the direction of time plus the sounds like it is at least picking up the direction of the struck and i at my question is does it and with particular attention to the bottom of eight eleven o seven if you have it there you probably to directional and positional the similarity measures respectively does that suggest to you that birth is in fact distinguishing based on struck direction and the reason it doesn't seattle if not answer the question and that reference to directional in the bottom line of eleven or seven i think is merely saying that he doesn't use the rest of the article doesn't doesn't focus the recognition of certain letters that may be written in a conventional manner that changes directions occasionally it still shape recognition it has nothing to do with the entire recognition don't think all right if i can say what symbols one version of symbol can be i'm less sure i mean everything symbols we're talking in symbols let languages symbolic but but we're not at that level  we're dealing with what verbs dealing with and it's recognising letters and words according to their shape not symbols according to their direction isn't that a distinction that even the patent office recognized in symbols which differ only in the direction of the scroll you actually are writing in a which happens to change direction when you put the downstroke on what would otherwise be an o but that's very different from symbols arbitrary symbols which differ only in the stroke direction of your eye or there are too many are there is there any instance of that in burt where there isn't an arbitrary understand that on and ask are different letters you have and a with a tail in a no that's perfectly circular if that were true your honor and oh and i can make the oh going left dry can make it disclosed basis you are analyzing symbols and there's no limitation on the specific symbols that are used and you are analyzing them on the basis of on the basis of these would be to be spectators in terms of just second when you start bringing the ordinary skill in the argument here that's what starts to worry i think you're making an arc with an obvious are you i'm not i think i think you're saying that one would interpret these  then we're talking about character recognition and fact her explicit it refers to single character recognition it says so in this discussion d then you realize that what the next case is and as i understand it what it says and if there is nothing other than recognition at ninety percent you that graphically separated required recognition even when perfectly square and report came back and said no there are other claims that require a distinction in hundred sixty nine eleven forty three and you'll see that if you tap or said that a workable system has ninety five percent accuracy but the fact is that we're only talking about what the user does the system itself has to be capable of one hundred percent accuracy that's a judge clevenger properly planned out every single stroke symbol must be a unit score so i make merely one last point and that is this big debate about strip direction vector the term gamma is an added to the equation that appears on the eleven zero seven what what's your understanding of the significance of those two statements your honor this is a very complicated article but i do my best to answer my view is similar to parallels to the questions that grade was asking that a bird is using these various techniques to end up with the shape he ends up with the shape and in the last analysis uses the shape he made used antiparallel lines as off but the bottom i mean finishes as he ends with a shape and when he to decide what the bottom line is which letters and words should that he look at he goes to the dictionary with the shape matrix and his and he looks for the lowest dissimilarity number which is a shape oriented number it is not a directional oriented number the system of go over the pattern we're talking about now