facets to that question it seems unreasonable question who wrote this but it really is a very in depth question that you're asking and i think that what's interesting about i think the movie industry as a whole is  that it is shrinking and shrinking at a snail's pace as far as things go as far as in relative terms to what we're used to now where things come and go so quickly in the internet age when you know companies lasting you know months instead of decades or centuries they aren't but i wonder if you know that the blockbusters in all the summer movies the big blockbusters and then also have this franchise movies that come out at holiday time as but they make so much money on it and you can make five hundred avengers you can make five hundred million dollar profit and you can pay all your employees for a year you know and so i think what's going to happen is things obviously the smaller movies are going to slowly start to get squeezed out i think the first question in this is do the studios care about these awards movies that they make that they make for two or three four million dollars they make they might lose in the whatever but they can say you know academy award nominee or you know or is this industry basically going to be just these big event pictures as far as going to the cinema those obviously there's going to be releases internet releases and as the industry ships forward but  you know i don't i guess that to me is one of the first questions is always a chance do they is it worth it to have that a little a yes because i think i mean you point about the big successes in the giant profits i mean my interest the summer movies is always the big failures i mean opening this past weekend and battleship that made half of what they expected it to make i mean that's a giant tank same thing with dark shadows did not make anywhere near the expectations of that so you've got this sure avengers tent pole movie made it into it tons of money but that's preceded by iron man that was a bigger hit than they expected it to be and iron man two i would say but hulk that was i would say a failure not not a success barely covering itself so you've got a risk going into something like that with the one last summer green lantern that was you know that i mean it's a punch line i'll madness so you look at a summer movie schedule and it's really easy to say oh yeah i remember how big this movie was or that movie was because it's still here and making sequels but we forget in a month of june there are four or five hopeful tent pole movies and one of them succeeds i that's coming out right after the avengers which is going to be very hard to beat the avenger and i think boy when they can do it the tension the batman but something like that is just going to suck up all the things you figure how many people want to do it not everybody's going to go to the movies every single week specially when you're having another action movie come out after that is being sent i mean you can look at g i joe move in because like two weeks after something like that is batman a week before an aspiring matter something so it's like sandwiched in between two the same kind of movies that are arguably going to be bigger lesson i have not that far from their bond or you know me in twenty years probably a little less than me but i mean these movies in regards to the small movies are coming out they're trying to sandwich or piggyback off what doesn't matter if they say they're making a loss in the box office is d v d comes out they're easily going to make their money back so it's just prolonging that the whole point of these movies is to make that money so that they can make two or three b films on top of that so this is this is sort of financing the rest they all come out the exact same month where the summer is for the box office that's why they're spreading out of itself and i guess my concern is concern that i care that much whether you know you know street sense or not but but is that as you know we've been talking on some of the previous shows about blu ray and its long term viability and the issue you run into is yeah every movie used to pretty much these big movies all made their money back because in international and then  d the problem i see is as the home entertainment shifts from fifteen twenty thirty five thirty dollars d v d blu ray s into dollar ninety nine to dollar ninety nine rentals because you know when we did discuss this whether or not people want to own stuff down the road i think that the problem margins are going to shrink a little bit knowledge that i have to produce the stuff but as this problem margins will start to shrink they're going to start saying well we're not going to spend this twenty million dollars to make this i  think the first thing that's going to go that's going to get squeezed out as as that shrinks a little bit is going to be those those smaller movies because and i don't know i guess the studios probably are much more interested in having an academy award show but but how often do you say i love new line that's one that's a picture for the third year in a row i mean you don't equate the movie quite the movie more to the director or the actors than you do the studio and if if they're barely making or if they're not making any money off of it if they're losing money and it's just because you know that these summer movies basically are like the football programs that most colleges and universities know they make and make the money for the entire sport department everything sits on their shoulders but if they're trying to get profits from it and this these smaller movies aren't generating much and maybe they will that maybe they they're ok with a very small margin of success there or possible failure there but it just seems to me that a studio could release three or four summer movies spend three four five hundred million dollars you know clip whatever the make them and that be their output for the year i mean does it matter that for them to release more than just that i don't know the answer to that i believe it does strictly because of what you're saying with the dollar ninety nine make a bigger commitment to the album i think the same thing is going as far as the d v d sales a lot of people that would necessarily go out and buy that d v d they were still renting them the blockbusters all that kind of stuff they weren't making the five dollars off that run to blockbuster blockbuster pays for rights to do that just like these things do having those smaller budget things with the way rentals are now with the digital redbox and that flicks and amazon they don't make the deal to carry that movie that everyone's in come see they make the deal to carry that production house so if i want to make a deal with warner brothers i'm going to want to catalogue this so i can get the maximum out there on my netflix watch instantly now if i want to brothers they have they're going to have twenty movies coming out this summer versus me getting you know some smaller production know i remember thinking you know i'm a similar kind of thing twenty years ago running a movie with an event was a day kind of thing but i didn't rent movies in the ten years ago timeframe now i have a netflix subscription and it's guaranteed money coming from someone it's not necessarily i have to do this or at this kind of frame but at the same time i mean really the avengers the film i want to own dark knight you know batman films are ones i want to own i want to own an artist i have no interest in watching that zero interest in watching it i do have an interest all redbox and whatever but having that twenty dollar investment twenty five dollar investment i'm trying to think  off track a little bit but i mean i didn't see any of the best picture nominees last year i mean that's a interesting thing and the thing about a lot of the range is you know in those stores you know that's kind of the exception that you have that model and for going way back titanic you know this kind of things where there is that crossover between popularity and best picture but as you were saying as far as the general nominees especially next year it's pushing itself out there's less interest in making a good just popcorn movie and have you seen avengers yeah i thought it was great you know he's got that picture right material certainly but as far as an action kind of film is cut far as the tent pole or event film really great i mean i put it maybe not better than the dark knight i forget which one it is but you know and even like that song oh i love love that ok i wouldn't say that or necessarily than that but i would say in that category kind of great popcorn movie comparison just using the dark knight along with the joker that came out a couple years ago as reference those were those were good for two different reasons like the avengers is your stereotypical more serious typical summer in my mind where it's all it's most of it can be presented on the surface whereas there's they're trying to pretend for just a self to a different kind of audience and i respect what i think that's you know kind of alongside that you were talking about not having an interest in the best picture so maybe the idea is that the these but these smaller movies are attracting a different audience that aren't going to go see these blockbusters and therefore they're just trying to and they're trying to get as many people to go see different movies as as possible so i guess i can kind of see it's hard to if you look at the movie industry and you say oh well they're destined to say you know they're making this money on these big movies and a lot of other stuff not and you know and they're always claiming there's like every other injuries always claiming that they're dying and stuff like that but i think it's you know trying to predict a shrinking or a death of these longstanding industries is probably it's tough to do because we look at dead gone you know completely basically serves no purpose anymore as the newspaper industry you know you look at the new street that is you know there's twenty four hour news there's the internet there's been no you can get your information immediately they designed horrifically bad web sites when they first came out i thought it was an afterthought and the worst thing for newspapers is that they they get away for free and then after act said oh wait now we need to figure out a way to charge people and you know there's one newspaper out there i think that's kind of a shining example new york times that that does it properly and i you know i look at this movie industry and it's weird that it despite all these dire predictions they are not shifting all that much you know the difference in the you know the schedule the release schedules are the same they're producing roughly the same amount of movies on an obvious zakk numbers that show you know if they're producing more or less than they have ten years ago fifteen years ago but i just want to i guess in in today's world we think of we think of these companies that come and go so quickly look at h d d v d that came and went you know you look at the internet world and you look it as a my space that in the course of thirty six forty eight months went from nothing to top of the world to nothing again and you forget sometimes that facebook is only years old i mean it is a thing in terms of you know a coca cola that's been around or the movie industry has been around two hundred fifty years you know such a small small lifespan and so i think that i think that the this industry is going to continue to shrink but that the summer movies are going to be the draw you know that's going to be and that's why we're asking whether or not you think that i could see the day when these the studios a particular studio may only produce four movies in a year and they release one in may one in june wan this and and that's it because i i see that going out to a movie is going to become like going out to theaters people it's that we're going to see a concert or whatever it's it's a good become more of a specialized thing than an everyday thing you know these movies are making tons and tons of money some of them but nobody's yet broken it was gone with windows the most ticket sales for any movie ever and there probably never be you know even though avatar made i they were charging you know one hundred times the amount of money that it cost so i don't i don't know if i necessarily agree with you or or disagree with you or not but let me throw something else out there i mean the film industry we talk about this previous show has shrunk itself down to be so excessive will just about everyone both inane and ability to produce and make that there are people out there i mean what we're looking for now is marketing that's what the studios have that you or i or author doesn't have  it's they have the ability to put it out there and get it into places we all pretty much have the ability to make an academy award winning movie in our backyard in our house in this studio i mean we have that technology we have the editing capability we can do that but we're not necessarily seeing is this great idea of filming or this fantastic storytelling this thing that makes me want to go see a movie something like  stupid blair witch project that everyone had to go see the this investment of you know a couple thousand dollars that turned around over two hundred million i don't see that necessarily happening again in the future but you know it people who put money in that invested in it they're done in these are people who never will work again in their lives because of what they made out of that's a good idea here some money for that so i won't say it necessarily disappears but at the same time if i'm making what was the film i saw this summer so the next diary of a would be kid movie i mean this is an investment of probably two or three million dollars an acting two or three million dollars and making and that's going to earn itself fifty sixty eighty million dollars by the time you know d v d sales and rentals are all done in that's that's a serious amount of cash it's going to make more money than the battleship is so that's spots because they're so early in the season when most of them are doing production during the summer when it's warmer and in the united states so i can't most men can't really get that turnaround unless they're willing to delay like g i joe another year to take the next summer and actually  do i guess you know i look at this you know a company very similar to someone gee look at kodak you know you look at a company that hugely and trenched in the film industry when digital came along they jumped on all the digital stuff and the companies still wonder and i was watching an interesting report they're talking about what happen to kodak and kodak because it's so funny because you think about all those things even share small bits of money because digital you don't make a lot of money on them it's you know the stuff is so inexpensive and and there's really not processing to it there's not all those those additional things that used to it it makes me think of a company like apple and it's it's a but this is a company that is used to making you know seventy five percent profit on every single device that they sell and i think you know whether or not he's in it what or not these studios are losing money truthfully or not you know i wonder that they're going to say you know it's just not we don't want to nickel and dime the stuff we want to and so we're not going to bother making any more movies that are that are small that are because you know disney movie already is going to make enough money to play you know so i don't know i'm thinking most sides of the issue i guess on whether or not because i understand that they want to mass market but i guess there's two issues to it because there's the theater experience and then there's making movies for every other experience which is going to be that's where i think the small movies are going to really start to gear more towards outside of the art house kind of idea that you know very very small movies you can release these academy awards type movies you know i do it digitally you don't have to necessarily go the theater route to do it i mean i agree with that i think the problem with the seals lonnie potentially has of the theaters themselves is how much it costs about the same movie or how much it cost to get popcorn or anything like that it just get just going to the like you're saying about making it is about more more so making an event not because maybe i'm not willing to risk offending twenty dollars in my personal way to go the see dark shadows whereas i can make that investment if i just wait there have to see that right now why not make it available so that i want to see that right now whereas you look at kevin smith there are people like that they're trying to do a little bit more of a different thing they're trying to bypass this year they had a release but they have a set up so they're producing of themselves they have all the controls they're saying right a month before we're in a drought and these we have to worry place i would go to see a movie that i'm not really interested in but offer a buck i'll go see yeah for a dollar versus ten but i could drop ten dollars on a piece of junk but for a dollar there i mean and you have these movies the prices go up or nothing goes up price is like a quarter variance and generous either i'm going to go to the one that's has a better seats or has an actual surround sound or digital cinema why am i going to go to this year just because it's maybe two minutes closer to home x certification all that stuff and d t s first became big and you have these huge signs outside of the theaters that had and i think they still do which is not huge anymore now it's a little while ago the top but they you know i remember the the galleria theaters used to