good precaution which is really fantastic and also new england because we live in the new england territory and i had the pleasure to see this band the first i was here in the studio and they came there for musicians the second time girls in that great so i could notice it doesn't ation to bring one of the musicians who is also an educator so we're going to be music and especially the leaving yourself to the jazz fail well i originally began as a chemistry major in college and i was very active in the music scene and in college i had played  out you know local clubs that sort of thing always been out of the music and i had been taking over for our liturgical choir director at st michael's college and he was moving on so i i they offered me the job and i actually took it so i just really decided to pursue music  professionally at that point and i got interested in jazz while i was in high school i was originally really into rock guitar and even hailing the malmsteen twenty mcalpine all that stuff and then i heard  monk john coltrane so through the through those years i think it was formative and i just gravitated towards the music that i really loved to play when was your first bat my first band was probably a boy of rock band i think i remember the name of it was called capture c a p t j e r i think i was fourteen and we played a bunch of cover tunes and then the first fusion jazz band i was in it was called listen and that was probably when i idea sometimes i'll have an idea that's pretty fleshed out or whole have an idea that's pretty bad around and it'll change by the end now with that whole group we all participate pretty much in shaping and arranging and writing the tune in the composition so it's it's really a group process that happens now but there are still some things that i try to try to do on my own you know and try to compose a little you know for the guitar or for different combinations of instruments but primarily with a toe to it is really a strong collaboration peter and i really seem to peter english and i really seem to work well together composition music and a lot of the songs for our surgical celebrations a lot of psalms i think i've composed about i say two hundred two hundred fifty tunes and that's a whole different thing i think it's a man's a whole different skill set and i'm still working on that too as instructor yeah and i also work on the cooperation on this program that's at st michael's as well teaching one on one guitar which is a little different too but i have a little group at st michael's we usually get a twenty five percent turn around every year because the students coming in and leaving but i have a great rhythm section a drummer a bass player keyboard player and probably about anywhere between fifteen and twenty five singers and right now at one point she finally graduated so a lot of different smattering of things there and it really challenges my my ability to arrange and compose for that sort of thing it's a lot of fun and it's a it's a real gift to be able to be there when you c to peter and say hey pete i've got a tune here i want to show you something when you think of this and then he helps become put together same thing with him to i've done a couple things with our drummer lucas out there were i've gone to his his house we've batted around a few crazy things you know and the same thing with chris peterman who was just a great composer and musician i think he's been on this this great show as well and he has a really great sense of of just harmony and rhythm and he thinks i went through a graduate school at st michael's in systematics and one of the things that we studied in theology was the idea of the trinity and there's this great little word called parrikar rhesus greek core rhesus choreography was almost like a dance so it described it as a dance of three so i thought hey you know when we're married in the eyes of spirit we're really a dance of five now because it's myself my wife and the three so that's how new five came about in originally did not have any words to it and for all for about a year and a half we played it instrumentally and then i decided to put words to it and bring it to my st michael's group so we did it there it's got words through it there so that was the inspiration for that sort of liked it we all sort of looked at each other i think it was because different gets very different yeah but people seem to like it i can remember when we went to a studio in woodstock new york and lenny castro was playing with us and peter had this little disc of it and he didn't tell me and i'm so glad he didn't because i would have never have let him take it and it was just a scratch track and new much just me and my critic it actually was just guitar and my voice and he pulls it out at the end of the session and he says hey lenny i want you to listen to this i was like what is that because it's new one no no no no i don't want to so he puts it in i'm watching lenny castro from the back thinking he's not going to you know he's not going like this then he turned around to me and he said that is really one of the nicest things i've ever heard i really wan we let me play on the song well after that you had to pick me up off the ceiling you know it was it was just a beautiful moment for me and it was sort of a you know it landed at some credibility so that to know we surprised me i'm really glad that you like it  bottom snow forget it ok i'd like to do a song i wrote for a friend of mine who passed away about five years ago this is one of my own compositions this is called morning done beautiful students now where your mentors oh boy it all started when i was in high school i had a great vocal coach ralph nokian and this guy lived music he taught me so much by the way to approach and i a local guy i used to live in here and in that way also when i was a kid my mother would play church on the organ you know and that sort of made its way into my head and how she approached things and how she practice and so i think those are those are my immediate mentors i had it lately meaning in the past few years my association with roger boris who makes these beautiful beautiful instruments roger used to live in shelburne and now he's down in hoboken closer to the center of the action but he's been to see me some great guitar players and lately i've been studying with john stoll who's just an amazing amazing human being an amazing player learned so much from him and realizing that their soul much to just when i was in high school the guy or my drummer that i was playing with at the time his name was p j pagano and we still listen to the yellow jackets all the time and jimmy has lips tone his base everything about him i just loved in february when i was standing in front of the guy i just couldn't believe it and he's such a nice guy and when you're in and i watched him you know our track what i mean it's just an amazing poket what an amazing musician the sound he's a singer with the bass yeah he sings with that does he totally sings particular and decided to write a brand new bridge for this to magnetic but we got it just as soon as you're walking on the plane you know thing all this is going to be and i listen to it and it's it's a great bridge i mean it's just it reeks of the yellowjackets you so i thought i got nervous in the language because i thought i'm not going to be able to learn this so right away chris and i transcribe well chris being the actual musician that he is on the plane finishes the transcription of about fifteen minutes right maybe not so studio and i meet jimmy and i meet jeff and for some reason i wasn't nervous i should have been but i wasn't and i thought i'd have a little bit of time to kind of review it you know ten minutes after i walked in that studio i was playing the tunes called magnetic i was playing that bridge to ten minutes you know track and right away and we ended up doing just fine with it but boy that was a that was definitely a learning experience the whole thing was really great one of the songs that jeff had kept coming back to was called subway and we were just having a really tough time with it and now it's like one of the nicest tunes we have and we love to play it just one of those to talk about composition and process what happened was i came up with the melody just said keep working on and we're all pulling our hours out you know we don't know what to do with this song it's not us and all of a sudden chris comes back and he says you know i took a little bit of what your own did it take a little bit of what peter did i had my own thing and this is it so we sent it to him we didn't hear a thing ok so this was days before we went out there so we go out there and so after we tracked a few first couple tunes we want to subway and so we said to me would you think of that tune you know that the final version he said oh i like it very much and we were very relieved that he liked surprised and so i think we're going to release that probably in the late fall and then i've got some exciting news we're we're actually heading to what your slab will russia in march which is a real big big change in a christmas been there before but the rest of us have we're really excited to go and we're very honored to be asked to go and we're just working on some new material to present in that and that festivals well slogan right now but we're thinking about two more releases getting our stuff together for russia and continuing to work on you know some work out our stuff at some local gigs and we'll play a little bit new hampshire we have a couple things in upstate new york and it's been and the flame in december december thirty first will be at the space which is straight i think our biggest at four o'clock that day and then we all hop in the car and rush right over to saranac some place in saranac we have another gig that night they're at another festival that they're doing but that's very exciting for us we're really really excited about our first night giving us a spot at the front space very nice of them or really ready for free i would like to share the two cities that we have here this is the musical theater to hear you call our phone number that i'm going to repeat for