before we get started i have a confession to make well maybe that's not the best word but i pride myself on trying to be prepared for meetings but tonight i am not my youngest daughter had a significant milestone graduated high school and family's been up and so i just did not get to spend time feeling in the minutes i'm like i normally do it's totally ok if you don't want to but one option is to table least until next meeting when i do have the opportunity to spend them a bit of time reading them i don't think it's a big deal and i'd be fine if you choose not to but it is an option but if you're not prepared to vote on may fifteenth minutes will have to postpone them because there's only that would leave only tourists i mean i could vote for just quickly as we go through them but i prefer not to look at them i saw nothing to change at all ok so page one  oh i'm sorry i'm page two as i'm looking at number eight north willis and road scoping study under comments it mentions there were comments and it noted speed of cars an impact on safety of residents i wonder if it also should note that all in attendan were in favor of the proposed of the proposed in the comments were positive comments about what the town was proposing to do from the traffic well you'll have to change a little bit because that doesn't make sense that it's on as the word positive is in there before comment or comment on what it says there were positive comments from residents on the speed of cars and impact and safety doesn't make sense we have to change that in the the person putting these together did it did a very good job i'm wondering under discussion the first sentence reached jeff ayres expressed concern about the direction the district is going and that's perfectly fine but i wonder if it should be expanded a little bit to say we guarding subsidization sums when you subsidize something thank you  ok i just want i just want to clear what my concern was about and it's changing the way the budget will subsidize program recycling and other ways diversion programs in the future which is a change from the past and i'm just not sure it's a great change and i just wanted to reflect that it's that calm i mean i i overall support the budget but it was that aspect of it that i thought that i have concerns about does it make time when people are in the audience or if they have any comment on anything on the agenda or on the agend the forest economists by education i did my graduate work at yale university i've been working in natural resource conservation for the last forty years most that time has been overseas but i've managed and developed a number of different types of programs related to natural resource conservation including a watershed management project in guatemala which i managed for four years  multiple sustainable forestry projects and i lived in bolivia seven half years managing one so i've worked overseas for a long time worked in protected areas in park management  projects i've been in williston now for seven and a half years about the first five years ago but i spent a good part of my time overseas and so i was unable to really commit myself to doing things here and well i took a different job two years ago and i'm now the vice president for operations for to trick tech and while it consumes more time in some ways it keeps me home and so i can now look at other options to engage in the community and that's what i'm looking for if you had any discussions with the folks at the park district you know i have done i'm not sure how to ask this question so maybe i'll be a little bit blunt our history with the district went through a i don't know what the right word is but an interesting period  last last election where on the ballot was a item about withdrawing from the district that was not approved by the voters so we are staying in the district but the the concerns are still valid if you will and you know it's so it's just really a have you had a chance to you know yeah i fit looking at that think about that i have and i you know i think it's a perception revenue or contributions to the board so you know i think it is an issue that i think looking at the minutes of the district they recognize that public outreach and awareness is an issue and i think it's a big issue if you look at their publications and news postings over the last well since the three that are on there are from one thousand seven hundred twenty seventeen and all of them dealt with this issue about willesden and so it obviously is a big issue that both i think increasing the benefits to willesden would be beneficial but where what the benefits are that might not be direct property management and so water quality in residence using parks outside of willesden that are part managed by the district just you know overall good stewardship and regional cooperation i think are key issues whenever we get to watershed management it's a difficult thing because  watershed spanned many political boundaries and so the more engagement that the different political units can have is is very important and it was curious to me and i don't know the history here but why richmond stopped part of it or some of the other communities farther up river and so i'm interested in finding out about this in the things good thank you and then my my second question and i probably already asked you this at the last time you were before us yet so repeat question it's the conflict of interest and how would you recognize it what would you do about it on my personal part i don't think there would be a conflict of interests other than the fact that i do own a residence and and mountain view or a middle marriage sorry mountain he was my last home and be you know there have been storm water issues and so i would recuse myself if there are issues related to that i don't suspect they will be given what i've read and related to the minutes and  things like that the actions that the district is taking i don't have any other economic interest throughout the area influenced by the when is the river so i think that part in terms of my personal and conflicts it's not an issue i do think that i can recognise conflicts of interest by other board members and and other participants because i have been around the block and i've done this work for a long time and i've dealt with conflicts of interest in both my current position and previous positions and i've worked with a large number of stakeholders and different capacities that did have conflicts of interest and i think calling them out and recognizing them is something that i can do thank you for the question sounds like you will be shy and represent know i mean i think that's one of the questions i would have to discuss with you is if selected is you know better understand your interest and and how they align with my interests and i think my interest or you know making sure that the water quality and management of of the basin is is you know well done and so i don't have any hidden interest nice oh i am brought my children up in the village i'm very much in and build a jury and to a person and trying to maintain the vitality of the village as the rest of the town grows  i have a strong feeling for the old brick church from way back i remember the before before the restoration and i find that the building just magnificently restored and i would like to seek greater use as a community resource through the brick church i work with a brick church music series now in and every time we have a concert or something like that i think it's just that the heart be with the old brick church th but so it is a resource that i that i have a great feeling for and would like to contribute in some way too to having it continue to be an important  somewhat i know that sometimes the utilization of it is an issue i was denied use of it this year of for what was essentially a prayer meeting and but it had an overtone which was a very politically charged issue of gun control because it was recognizing the the anniversary of the shootings in connecticut in the elementary school and i respect that but i also want to better understand it and realize that sometimes there is a still i froze outside on the on the front steps that night but we did it and so i understand that those that the when rick calls for a decision and that those people have got to be available and they've got to consider the overall purpose of the resource and in the community and  in their design answer your question i think so yes you know thank you but just ask that question is that one of the roles of the trustees is to determine what is appropriate or not appropriate use of the building that continues also you know that is one of the things the church trustees do look at is the fee schedule and the maintenance those are the two big things and i know recently there they've had a little bit of a discussion about the fee schedule the weddings and saturday and your friday rehearsal and saturday of the reception and can't be used on a point by anyone during those days and then you have someone that might use it for a few hours someone recently used to do a and we have another group that's actually instant doing the same thing for the same purpose so that's the kind of a or there may be memorial service and that's just one afternoon so it really there's several different levels of fees but i think the trustees are looking at having even more levels than they currently have is there any any relationship between the old brick church music series and the old brick church trustees or not they're two totally separate groups who totally separate groups other than the music series request permission to use it and and the series has been in existence for ten years there are entering their eleventh shoulder for some reason it's a conflict of interest question you know i don't know if it much how much potential there would be for conflict of interest here but i'm still going to ask the question of you know what would you do to recognize it and what or how would you recognize it and what would you do if you thought there was a conflict i would absent myself from the decision if that were appropriate or  the brick church would be i one party or another if i saw that was a a conflict and i had thought about that in coming here tonight that there's a possibility that that might be but i also see that sitting in that chair i can be an advocate for increased utilization of the resource ok very good thank you for the questions if not thank there's not a whole lot to report except that the beach is open and we open the beach memorial day weekend and it will be open through labor day  cars the first passes thirty dollars and the second car passes fourteen we added a board member from richmond so in the lake iroquois association which is the homes on the lake is expanding the beach swimming area is that the next time you're tended to so there's a little pre preview of what's next are there any question kind of feels like business as usual and i feel i'm new on the board but i've lived next to the lake and it kind of all feels like it's flowing smoothly no pun intended say there are mats which will kill the weeds so they can expand where the ropes are this year how are sales of passes going ok issues coming up this summer if any and a piece of that is has the water moving go right back and i think that's probably the only real issue is water cop quality when when the algae starts blooming or the or the weed start growing i don't see any issues as a resident next door who you know i i jog on the road if it all seems lovely so far and we've been in excited dad sarah not only a neighbor but on the board the l a are very excited thank you we're here again you're probably getting sick of looking at us and then having us walk through this process but we were asked by rick to come in and then just kind of give you an overview not much has changed since we were here the last time which was what six weeks ago we still have yet to  a written denial from the state for the permit of the herbicide we are moving forward like sarah said to increase the beach swimming area by putting in been harvesting which is kind of an interesting process because it's a very expensive process that we think we can all agree it have five or six thousand dollars a week it doesn't go very far and so where we've been we have reserved the contractor to come in for three weeks or four we're looking for so that we've got to the contractor is going to come in actually next week for four days parroting areas around the beach and starting at the beach areas trying to each area and then when you come back again in late august we have a grant from the from the election playing basin for him that's going to pay for the work in august they shoot for it really varies on the density of the the plants so that it really varies widely and last time they were here was two years ago and they were here for a better of two weeks i'm trying to think of i want to say it was a third of an acre that they are so it's very slow going and we paid twelve twelve thousand dollars or so for a third of an acre and there was a big water pump out of the siphon essentially so the diver down below they like individually to identify the plants and hold by the roots there they'll come back and then they can just put in the tube in the government of the boat so they make around pretty well had that either volunteers or hired people to come in and divers to come in and do it in front of their property but we haven't used volunteers in and amongst the two public process to me is done a few times and it's it is a lot of work so we may need some actually on our website we just are posting this week a newsletter from the l a l a and  requesting people to give us a hand installing them so at both locations both in front of the beach area in the access area but bit of a controversial application because of fact that you're covering the entire bottom it allows for the gases of the fermentation process and the deterioration of the weeds allows for the gas to work up to the men but it keeps the the it kills everything underneath the the mat so it's a bit of a not everybody is psyched about exactly so that's  per use of the beach you know the high use human use areas we're trying to reduce the spread especially in front of the access area with the amount of boat traffic that goes in an l so that we can reduce the overall distribution of the cut plants that then can propagate themselves throughout the lake and so that's our biggest this is a plant just pieces of it dropping to propagate  program that did this today and they did in the greeter program is up and running as well that started memorial day and they like like l a or d so that's up and running the second year with the boat wash station place that's because of fact that we're using a trailer that's all set up by one of our members set this trailer up and it's really a great project that we're working with and thank goodness to l i r d we  at the beach and he now is working for us part time kind of coronating the two groups of individuals and so it's some commodity there as far as their consistency with the staffing and so we're excited about that this year is that working with again l a our d and we feel that we're we're really shooting for the same mission here and that is to provide  back in and around the access area and then one hundred some odd acres behind the beach that is all public access land which is highly used throughout the course of the year and it is a great resource for for our communities the four communities l i a lake eyre course so she a sion is specific working on water quality and the members are both landowners in and around the lake and also community members that want to be members of the the association so our mission is water quality and only water quality and education so were questions and i told the select border earlier tonight i'm not as prepared as i normally am and i apologize for that do you talking here about the potential herbicide use down the road and i assume you'd have to wait for the state to take action on the application that's already before them and it sounds like they haven't yet we expect them to or you expect them to but they haven't been what's expected  that denial after that is there any avenue that you see from a herbicide application standpoint your correct word waiting on the denial the last time i spoke with a gentleman the state he said before summer i the darien freshwater institute they come out with a with a bow and they have specific points they've identified with g p s in the lake and they said so i throw a rake over and pull up the lot of plants they find there and then they identify of it's a good indication of the diversity of plants the frequency that they're in the lake and we haven't done last year and i have another one done this year the same locations so to be good good to be able to compare the but the question of the points terry that i'd like to just make is that for having bruce involved with both l a r d and now working a bit with us on the baby lane is  a huge introduction of problem areas both environmental and with the phosphorus runoff that we find in and around the lake and so you know being able to work with bruce and his office on that process and we've been working since early january on this grant that we're we're looking at and one of our board members is working shannon kellys working with him and i really want you to know that that is  very important to us as an organization but we appreciate his time and effort that he shared with us and it really does it's a big undertaking that we're trying to achieve to redesign reconstruction of of b b lane and you know it's used by all many many residents during the course of the year both people that visit the lake use the lake and live on the lake and so  of maintaining the road and the issues there in that they're not being shared by the other two other towns is there any effort to get many ongoing effort that if you're asking me the question barbour's a question we're working together as a community it's an ongoing issue and i think this grant process and being able to obtain outside funds from the state and federal will help in that process and that's what we're shooting for because it's a group it really is looking at redesigning the entire road so when we should overweight permit we restrict through truck traffic on a couple roads already on road and river cove road so we're looking to do here is to expand that to some other roads in town section of south brownell road south of already anyway even emptied but ok buses buses are over twenty four thousand pounds so i'm just trying to i'm just trying to understand so that's what these questions are about to me dating into the numbers we just had or even our secondary roads that even though they have asphalt really constructed and again this i'm just trying to figure out the logistics of how do all these companies that you know have to have trucks you know to get a permit and  that's why likely they're all getting their bleeding again they get them into don't get on me they get stopped once they get in pretty quickly after you can be depending on the weights and everything else but like if i was an appliance store that had to delivery i'd have to figure out you know how many towns do i delivering or not delivering and i'm just trying to figure out that this whole system if you will not figure it out but get a sense of it ok for the questions without it could just one other thing why we want some of these roads is we don't necessarily want trucks using our roads so that they don't go down us to be in a motion for lent to schedule a public public hearing to consider amendments to the motor vehicle and traffic ordinance push to certainly for the public here and as well make sure if there are concerns out there you know i hear them and we do the best job we can to make sure we provide an avenue to hear those concerns and they're basically taking the lead on the ground keeping us in the loop that's why they're here lisa is working with them or so and then the consultant that's been hired is going from and just sort clearly the purpose of tonight's meeting we're not going to be presenting solutions rather we're just here to take comments to help us kind of scope out what needs to be done and then after we hear those concerns we get to the project that's when john his the cover placement some time in three years or so but more likely you're in that's six years or possibly more than that by the time you get the funding and permit process so i just kind of put me up there for a little bit  group which was done by which gerald environmental the measured bank full without there for the work itself is thirty two feet which will play a key part in what they're the span of the replacement church and the depth from the road to it that we're going to be including in our study and so we have a plus to town highway major collector in the federal aid highway system it's has posted speed limits on people out of forty miles per hour observer posted speed limit show where that is west of the project and then the shared use paths a pin foot wide on the south side of the project again stopping on the west side of the muddy broke in two thousand six there was a shared use path study  with the two thousand and ten update which was complete for the r p c through the surplus the schedule is a very loose or you know his because we're only funded through the study face and the next step will be to define what the total project value will be on the preferred alternative what funding programs are available to help out both municipalities obviously it's not in the budgets right now so we'll figure a way to get current opening you know the bridge area they exist today oh so there's nothing in the  i mean you for questions from the audience or from the board so a question i have i'm a little bit confused about what are the limits or the scope of this project because what i've heard is at least what i think i heard is some interest in having at least ideal crossing that would be there i heard i heard talk about pedestrians a separated pedestrian aspect to it and then an on road bicycle what would that look like if i was looking at that what ideas to keep in mind as we talk about totally separate progress space in between or in a separate bridge structure or if you have a very churchly you have the ability to continue the grass right through and that's kind  of getting that getting some of the comments back here tonight allows us to think about the goals of the of the facilities and we'll present that as an alternative then then and then there may be some scalability from there is two different  drivers and could you go back to the picture of the bridge and i think just and i'll try to be brief here this picture this picture perfect thank you and this picture it shows the pedestrian protected piece is pretty much only on one side and i just want to know from folks standpoint is that acceptable for this crossing or having it on both sides is that important the other side i'm sorry the other side of the road from right there that path that comes in is people who are traveling from willis stand to south burlington to get onto that path we're going to have to cross ok let me ask the question now then is will this crossing if needed that it be part of the scope of this project ok thank you yes in the concerns you may have and we thank you very much for coming in with the presentation and you'll be back in six months documents for a loan in the amount of forty thousand dollars with the golf links homeowners associations that sort of discussion emotion asking for the board on the who wants to approve these with one motion for the sheet right here that we're proposing or if the board wants to pull anything out for further discussion we can do that as well so strikes i'd open it up at the board of questions her stuff here on anything so i just have questions on the schedule itself so several of these things show show units that i don't think are right i could be wrong it was well i'm not the expert  period so it's to one i had was under the ambulance service rates i wasn't it wasn't clear to me in that again i apologize for not being as prepared for this meeting as a lot of like have been what the increase in the advanced life support house now it talks about if there will be a semi it's proposed that it be seventy five dollars but i usually like to understand it does say it says for it's because of the expense of pharmaceuticals were sent i'm sorry i don't see th did ok chief it actually recommended a higher rate and i asked him to bring it down a little bit because it was a huge job and i mean i do get concerned at the rate at which the rates are increasing i mean i know there's there's a bunch of factors in here ok and again i apologize for not being as prepared for this is possible so it's due to the med it's due to the cost of providing that service as well as what i'm hearing yeah ok the sewer and water rates are based on the budget there are very straightforward doing the math eric i'm actually going to say putting these all together as one makes reviewing it i mean for my stamp i like it when it's each individual one that's just my style from i'll actually go home and make a bunch of copies so that they all go different rates in other words it could it would have been nice to know when was the last time a shelburne change their rates in south burlington so we knew it well shelburne says six months away from their five year increase and it's going to go up you know from ten to twenty dollars or until you i can tell you south burlington doesn't raise their per men or inspection fees since since i started that program  south burlington whatever it was fifteen years ago now they'd have raids here they had the same thing that we had ten dollars a square foot now they're up to twenty dollars a square foot so they have been raising  but south growing and has a green belt he that we don't have so i don't know what that is i haven't met in look at it but so that's where they have a little bit of difference so i don't know if they've been raising theirs over the years that they hadn't raised it until i left there terry so it was that way for six or seven or eight years and in the last nine years now it's gone from ten to twenty two as far as that pavement country is concerned but you know again i guess what i'm getting at is you know are we raising them enough that you know or are you looking to do this in the stairstep kind of over the next so many years or that there actually was a we haven't changed these rates since two thousand and ten which is when they were first increases that are proposed what's proposed is a potential cap on fees number one and then also there are two exemptions that we have under our feet structure and the decision is whether the select board wants to rethink though in light of some additional information in circumstances so i was last here two years ago and we did  more i think going back four years ago we did a more comprehensive review of our fee structure and updated a lot of our fees for many applications to for d r be consideration and things of that sort couple years ago the select board approved where we lumped in a lot of really small permeating items like fences sheds decks little backyard home improvement kind projects from assessing fees based on what's the estimated cost of the project to a just a flat fee and we our recommendation was that a flat fee is it's much simpler for joe and jane homeowner and i understand and the most important consideration is getting people to get permits for these little things and keep the record in order and it's easy for people understand it's easy for them to accept so that's worked very well in our opinion we had a couple of minutes recently that had relatively high dollar estimates of the construction that generated large fees and that's what tends to happen in our world is that a lot of stuff groups in the middle like many things in life and then occasionally you'll get these things that are just they're out wires there they're big blips sometimes the permit is expensive and there's a good reason for it crossing is building at two and a half million dollar road for example generates a big permit fee somebody dies an improvement to the inside of an existing building at the former site of i b m for general dynamics and the estimated project cost is two million dollars and it takes us five minutes to process is complete disproportional to the sort of the work effort and you know this is there you know it's never an exact fit we try to you know get it so it's there is a good fitness there as much as possible but the idea was to to cap some of the fees at twenty thousand dollars for an administrative fee and we charge five dollars per thousand dollars estimated cost of construction plus the recording fee we did some quick research over the last ten years and i think we identify i want to say five or six projects that would have generated fees in excess of that amount one of those projects was the public works crotch which of course generated no fees neither was the permit for the recent renovations to the wilson central school which also didn't generate any fees so it's a fairly small number of things but the idea is to try to address what seems like  structure so that's that's number one the second has to do with the exemptions so going back i want to say i know i think it's for yes we've exempted both  willesden schools and the state of vermont from fees under our bylaw the rationale for the schools was simply that even though the schools a separate government well it's the people are paying the bill you're just taking the money from one pocket putting it in another do we really want to do that and the consensus of the board was no it didn't necessarily make sense to do that let's just make sure we get all the permits done properly so that's what we did and i remember the last time we visited this issue jeff i remember you asked me the the the the merger under the unified school district hadn't yet occurred but it had been a proposed already been approved and well what happens then and so that's where we are today and so you know we're all now unified so it's not just the people of the town i will stand it's the whole district and you know i provide some additional information i think eric forwarded to you what i had kind of quiz some of the other municipalities around here and it's kind of about fifty fifty on who's exempting schools and who isn't and it's interesting that heinsberg which is in a similar situation  us they're considering the same thing which is to say they had accepted the schools now they're part of a unified school district maybe we might want to revisit that issue so that's number one concerning the state  vermont i had been led to believe that the state was exempted from paying fees and the folks from buildings and grounds whatever the name the department of state though that those folks were very they were absolutely sure that they were they were exempt and perhaps i should have done some more research on this issue and so we raised it with the slack where the slack board said ok we'll you know exempt the state now the practical matter the state does not generate a lot of permits through the town when they do highway work that doesn't generate a permit application through the town so you have a few things there's the boat dock on lake eyre choir which you believe is on the operated by the state they command about every five years for some little something or other but occasionally we get some some big big projects and one that is will be coming in the door probably in the next twelve eighteen months will be the relocation the state  facility that's you know the state is purchased the property that's now on terry knows the money has been budgeted by the legislature so that's something that as likes to it and likely will happen you know what's the cost of that  lity altogether i don't know is it five million plus or minus something like that so there's some significant dollars there that are at stake as i quizzed all the the answer was very bad and the state is not examined and when i asked paul if you know us and he said no the state it's not exempt make them pay so that's what i have  a pretty good price for a dispatch so i don't know if there's really you know issue with you know you start charging him for things like you know the state police barracks where we decided that well we could start charging you for the dispatch and i know we're looking to maybe go regional dispatch within the next few years which would make that a moot point but i mean we've been getting services from the stapler is this the really the only project that would really generate any police issue with the services are provided to a number municipalities including richmond for example was dispatched part time by the state police and those of number of other communities as well that's you know what i'm asking i'm trying to understand whether we could create some you know issue here that it will see legislation proposed next year that i got so the question is if any of those six projects and some of them are new fees at all do any of them generate anywhere near that kind of work effort twenty thousand dollars worth of so one of things you may recall is you know we do our quarterly reports over the last couple of years one of the first items that i listed in what we did in the last quarter is that we worked on permitting issues related to finney crossing that there's you know he took that as a whole now they come in through their permits you know kind of in in dribs and drabs but it's a huge work effort you know there's all kinds of stuff that goes into it the bigger the project the bigger the work effort assuming you know unlike my example the general dynamics example if something has to go through the d r p from the time you start from the time before you start the first conversation that we have before anybody has put anything on paper to the time you actually see a building on the ground there's a tremendous work effort that goes in there the fees tend to be collected at could so why would we so i guess i'm just why would we want to kept if even if it's very few were the last decade or so and they can generate example because finney crossing is co they pay the town a lot more than twenty thousand dollars in fees because it comes in in phases you know they get a permit to build or they pay a fee they get a permit to build an apartment building they pay a fee they pulled a permit to build another they had a fee that was i believe it was like around twenty eight thousand dollars and it's not to say that the planning office staff didn't put any work effort into all of the ins and outs of the permit in on that because we  did but but that was that it was clearly it was an it was an example of where the fee didn't really line up well with what the you know what the level of demand for services from the planning office was and that this would would address something like that and let me ask the question slightly differently and i'm ok with the idea of a cap because to me the cap would be set at a level where somehow fifty percent of the projects exceed the cap and fifty percent or under you know something along it's way less than that it's said again these are outliers lives ok but my question is is why did why are you proposing twenty thousand for the kaffirs is let's say ten thousand or twenty five thousand i'm just trying to get a sense why twenty is is a good number to use we felt we looked at ten thousand and ten thousand would have been very low and at that point we wouldn't have just been capturing a few outliers we would have been capturing a lot of projects where they can get kind of complicated and there there is a big work effort that's involved in it and that wasn't really the goal the goal was simply to take out a few of these outliers that there is this you know this cap and at some point the word gap or plateaus and that was really where it came from ok and then i do want to focus a little bit on the exemptions first start with the schools what i would hope is that there's a unified consensus between is it five community five communities that are part of it you know either we all exempt them or none of us  right but the part of the district now so if it if the district ordered to do a project in st george i mean who knows if they ever would but the oh so right now we have a mix i mean i'm tending to say now that it's a district and it's not a willesden working with its own schools and also the whole x sixty sixty eight piece you know where we're trying to i don't want to say shift but there was a conscious effort made not to put additional financial burden on the school because you know if they saved for for the reasons that had to do that sixty sixty eight but now that it's a district it's a whole different ballgame  and i'm tending towards example but i would also feel odd if it was half the town's exempt and half don't that would just be an awkward situation so i don't know that lends any any help here and what could happen there is will sense says exempt which is a perfectly fine answer or it is exempt but the other three towns are four towns don't and we're just in this that awkward situation  right is it a big issue that we would be the we would be the only town that exam some no it isn't but i just think it would be better that all towns are unified in this answer because what we're suggesting is that we get rid of the exemption right right right yes because right exactly yeah that's what i would be unfa and the state i think is a pretty clear from and that they should sit should not be exemption so just one last question on that on the twenty thousand zero a cap so you feel there's just a few outliers and in general we probably could get with this formula even with cap we still collect more maybe than we spend in general on projects  we're not operating on a complete recovery basis so it's critical that piece right there when i was first here actually prior to my being here my predecessor  had made some recommendations slack board about revising the fees and one of the pass ons to me was he really felt the fees were way to love and i remember sitting here in from the select board at that time and trying to carry the water and she said she said these are services the tower is providing you're not operating in a for your recovery basis and it's like ok it's good for me so so we've tended to be somewhat conservative in what our fee structure is it was just a few years ago that we bumped up some of our d or b fees to where they are now so there was a time we were capturing i want to say about thirty five to forty percent year in year out of what the planning office spends in its budget and what we've taken in fees if you look at the numbers over the last five years that number is higher and it tends to be and even by the  w average it out it's it's probably closer to fifty percent right now at some some bigger projects that have generated you know significant fees for some it's funny you mentioned we're not twenty i mean i looked at your chart here the fifty percent feels about right to me i know you know bruce was here talking a little earlier and you're talking about you know some of the fees for things like sewer allocation and water and sewer connection fees and the there's all those other kinds of things all of i should say all of us most of those things are just one of the latter aspects of the development that was approved through our process so you know the matter of revenue that the planning office takes in is not the only source of revenue that the town is taking in to pay for the various services that it provides to do development i think i should have is we generally take a look at the playing fields on an every other year basis so it's you know that's fair i guess we'll come back and see whether we cut too deep or kept it too so the first one would be to move to adopt the plan is already a few schedule was presented a short while ago schedule for utility work in the town right of way as presented in the memo dated six nineteen two thousand and eighteen with an effective date of july one two thousand eighty s or a discussion the i just want to give you a sense of what this means for the individual property owners so this is the rate that we have proposed look at it the town meeting and and it was like four dollars forty cents  change per hundred thousand dollars a night and you can see homer simpson is not to throw over that but he's happier now because we're looking at a point zero zero one five increase in the tax rate which is a dollar fifty per hundred thousand dollars and that's a dollar fifty per year so times if you're three hundred thousand on home you multiply that times three and that's your total municipal increase for the year so we're certainly happy to have this go this way and then you may recall last year we had a somewhat similar situation with the  you may recall when we approve the budget we had included in quite a few new expenses one time expenses to be paid out of that fund balance and in fact the current fiscal year we had boosted that also with some one time so the answer to the question of should we use more of the fund balance to reduce taxes further is not recommended well at this point is when we get in the budget discussion next year here then we have to take another  cost of living index that runs november through november so we know what it is when we set the budget and it's the same cost of living index that we use for the police union and for the fire and so  will be providing services to the newly formed public safety authority at no charge we anticipate that the services will be very middle because there are no employees once they  expense the authority will be incurring is the pay a consultant in the process of sourcing proposals right now for that there's a few of  in right before at this point if the regional planning commission was handling that but the feeling is that those really makes sense for them to do their own the way this draft agreement is very similar to the one services provided so because he does pay when you see some fees for that service hired by become pany and then we had that appraiser interviewed by our own separate consultant ok this is before it was presented to town meeting i think it was in january of this ok so it was not a process that selling it to us so it's appropriate for that language to look like that and the company that we're going to be entering into a service contract with coincidently well at least the one we have a proposal from is  r and revenues currently stand at eighty eight percent and expenditures at eighty seven percent so eighty percent is  expenditure side we for the various reasons we've been talking about office clear we're going to be under budget and the police department continues to lie behind their at eighty percent for the year to fema and the this relates to the damage it was done as part of a storm that hit nearly met a and there were like six rooms that were damaged as part of that storm  be combined about fifty thousand dollars to repair all those roads the fema money is not certainly this morning despite the way this may have read it does look like request for a declaration is going to be submitted by the state and our hope is that it will be approved how much of that gets just to back to us we don't know but bring our anger claims to be doing it and if there is some turnover in the public works department as well and that is affecting less the the operating expenses for the out and the i'm sure the department be paying playing catch up over the next fiscal year a little bit one of the issues we've had is our foreman the highway foreman is currently out on extended medical leave we do expect him to come back on another thing i wanted to mention is there was a newspaper article recently in the newspaper about domestic violence and if you question the process and they had surveyed a number chief was in town and they called him the gun right back at that and they weren't available him but i mean that's not the point of porn is that we do have a program and we do use that checklist and our officers are trained in the use of it so that's really then we didn't actively recruit it's and that's a practice not to do that but we did have an officer come to us and say he wants to work with us and he's fully certified it so we did hire him but it does put richmond in a difficult position with their chief retiring and losing officers and so you know they're struggling to figure out what to do i've had a conversation with their manager about this and i said we're willing to talk about helping out short term i don't know what that means because we haven't i talk about it and i don't know if they're even interested there is the money would be charging something if it's a low level service we can probably do it if it's a higher level than that's a whole different ballgame and most likely that would be a much bigger discussion involving a longer term commitment and everything else that's not so easy to do these days to find people and especially someone who maybe already training to work in richmond that's that's part of the problem re saying theoretically they could say we'll list and we'd conflict in the state police the sheriff's department so i just say that it's just something that might be coming up and i wanted to make sure the board was aware that we might be having this discussion we've we've had this kind of on and off over the years anyway in fact when they hired their current chief there was some discussion about whether they should hire a chief and continue the work and richmond at that point had a community meeting and said you know  there's added issues now because of the difficulty in hiring police officers and when you lose a good part of your staff how easy is or how can you rebuild that it's going to be a really tough thing fully certified we have one person who just completed the academy and we have another woman who is starting to think joy just to go through the academy that's great that's all i have