bill baker and i going to go through some topics first of all baker the new studios you ben you and i work together on the paper you've been in this building and so forth how needed is it for w j o p it's time for an upgrade without a doubt i mean i you know we had this conversation when you when you guys bought the building at this place needed some attention and you know it's tough and that's you know having you know having my professional career taking care of existing manmade structures this one is in dire need but you know there's a lot of funds that are necessary and you have to make a business decision in my opinion and whether or not you want to invest in this location or look elsewhere in obviously made that decision an alliance with purdue university came out good or bad for local media excellent question i'm on the fence i mean you know you know when the chancellor was in here and i shared this you know with numerous people is you know the universities are taxpayer run they're you know they're basically another aspect of government and the more government controls our life the more challenges i see down the road and like we're talking with george earlier i mean that definition  know the level is is always up for debate but it's at least a debate i think worth having as far as resources hey you know what the taxpayers keep funding a lot of stuff so it's a good thing from their perspective as it relates to the kids because it's all about the jim you know the give a opportunity to see what it's like and what's involved in trying to move this thing out in the real world as long as you keep it the real world in the private sector and it just doesn't come in to be another government project because you know just like we were talking about with the paper in the radio back in the day with national public radio i mean that's government run media so how do you define those two things and what's important because i don't know kind of old school from the perspective if the media is in a checks and balances then all we have is the voting booth and i'm tired of hearing that because when two out of ten show up  you know the status quo remains you brought up a public media which you've been vocal about you know the government kind of supporting it and so forth but lakeshore media has dropped their nightly newscasts they were one of only a few across america that did a nightly newscast and they dropped it saying that it was costing them five hundred grand a year they're going to be able to save a good portion of that money your comment disappointing i mean i used to watch not consistent enough because it's you know it's it's tough from that standpoint but you know it was a program about what was going on here in northwest indiana and it was an offshoot you know like we see from our chicago media and that's one of the things up here you know having worked in indianapolis and having worked in chicago where i'm from in northwest indiana is always kind of you know that d m z i call it i mean it's just kind of a gray area that nobody needs to help that that was a viable alternative but you know it's tough because people in today's environment have a lot of different means to be able to get their information and you know is that something that meets a need evidently based upon there was no funding for continuing funding for public media and it has really taken its toll on public media the lack of well the i guess the weakening of government support of these things you know i'm on the fence about this i think there's a definite role for public media i don't like it when we've actually competed with public media a few times yeah you games and so forth now the us come here and they've come to us because they sure when it was it was a long story that really just ticked me off entirely because they were basically you know we're a private source and whenever it's a whole different thing but i think there's a role for it and i would hate to see it declined to the point where it wasn't there put it that way and i think it's not going to necessarily disappear i just think it's going to change and morph into you know into how society needs that source of information i mean i listen to that radio station occasionally in it believe it or not you know no disrespect to your widget machine here but i mean it provides subject matter that isn't specific to the region but it's specific to our country and things that are go on and then affect us and one of the things that kind of intrigues me about it is makes you think and whether or not you agree or disagree the more that you at least have an opportunity to you know have a different perspective and listen to it without it being offensive in an attack mode then you know why not because there's some benefit to that speaking of attack mode bill baker so i think tom carroll the former head of that out of the building