one more board member who's going to be here but probably dealing with a bit of slush and snow so i will get started in just a m moment there so i don't have my agenda in front of me but i believe our first item is public comment on items not otherwise on the agenda if anyone would like to address council or the board on matters that are not other not related to the  you that are not related to the power plant discussion here's the chance to do so all we ask is you step forward to the podium state your name and residential address for the record and you may have a five minutes to address the board council the microphone right seeing now i will close that section of the meeting and move into the main order of business for this special meeting and that is the sec plan for the new holland board of public works power plant ultimately the council on board will be asking will be asked to accept that for information as well as to refer it on to the planning commission and any other necessary boards for it's fair for those boards review as well so with that on behalf of the board if you're ok with that german  hemingway we welcome david koster general manager of the board of public works but having dave good evening mare member city council members of the board public works this is an exciting night this is a key milestone again in the project of developing our new power resource and it's also another opportunity to recognise the work of collaborative efforts just as we did with a sustainable return on investment in our this is to lead us to the choices that we've made on how to move forward on power generation we against engage with a stakeholder driven process to help us with the architectural design and site plan development for this power plant recognizing that this is a long lived asset and something that is going to be on the eastern edge of our downtown and the gateway coming into the east end of our community we felt it important that we spent time with  their work just to be i want to applaud the effort that they put into it there was a lot of nights that we spent over the last three months you know talking about this from you know starting with words and objectives and  values and moving in through concepts all the way to you know this final design that's been prepared and ready to be presented to see evening couple of people that i want to introduce and let them  and they're here tonight to lead us through the presentation and to be event available to counsel in the board in terms of questions that that you have and so with that i'm going to turn it over to lance and let him start the presentation thank you da discovering what this power plant can be and it is an exciting moment to let everybody see what we've been working on for the last couple months tonight what we're going to cover is you know simply a small introduction short introduction talk about the mission in the goals and the objectives of the process that we went through the design itself and then leave some time for discussion and questions at the end it was a fairly short process we started this at the beginning of october talking about how we were going to pull the design off in a short timeframe and really one of the key moments in this entire process was the first design workshop that we had as a three day effort at a large group of sta ers that all show here and in a minute that we really brainstorm for all three days and every day we came back with incremental development on the site on the building everything that we saw took us in a certain direction stakeholders were really crucial in giving us that feedback we then add a follow up review meeting with the committee on the twelfth we had a second update with them on december fifth and then we gave them the final update on december nineteenth and now of course we are with you all tonight to show the results of all of those labors this is a listing of all the people that were involved as a part of the committee that was put together for this it was a fantastic group of people and i applaud  dave and dan for being able to put together a really solid group that was able to offer their opinions openly offer their opinions freely gave us really good feedback a timely in crucial moments i'm in the project they were open  willing to participate and be collaborative and enjoyed and really enjoyed the discussions so as you can see by all the different places that are listed after those who was a pretty broad representation of a lot of different groups that are really important in  community and have a lot of impact on what happens here in holland during the design workshop we spent three days we started to identify what our site was and what we really felt that we needed to look at as far as the impact of the plant on the adjacent properties and the adjacent properties impact on the plant and ultimately the foundry that we came up with is really everything north of seven street between chicago drive and eight street on the south really everything north of seventh street between the railroad tracks and chicago drive became part of the project the well and far to the north is an obvious boundary for many reasons there's a lot of floodplain up there but that's going to be an important part as you see the site plan as to how we take advantage of some of those things that are up there in that area we're very into interactive session i think we spent a grand total of two hours coming up with ideas putting sheets down on paper as you see on these images here like i said before everybody was extremely open and collaborative in how we discussed all of these things we covered i think twelve different topics the started to drive home some of the  the foundational principles of the design as we moved along and ultimately one of the big questions that we asked is what are holland's values and how can those values be translated into a design for both the site and the architecture so that it's all woven into one and we heard many times about the eastgate way and how this could be a play a really significant role in the use gateway as people come in from out of town on chicago drive into into downtown holland and eighth street lots of words in here i'm sure that many of them ring true with with many of you on the day say in the audience as well and one of the there were three major things that came out of that probably the first or second day is we establish what our mission was risto were some goals three goals and then we established objectives underneath that the way that i always look at mission goals and objectives is mission is really what we're trying to big picture achieve with any certain project goals are different items that are going to help us achieve that mission in the objectives underneath that are specific items that are going to help us get to each one of those goals so you start from a really broad spectrum and you and you weave yourself down into an objective level where everything is more specific the three goals that we created for this developer resource created destination in an answer gate way we're talking about resources one of the key pieces of this in the entire reason why we're here tonight is to build a reliable world class piece of infrastructure the power that you generate we want to make sure we're providing a sustainable long term power source going to become an educational hub for the community and everyone in it and we want to increase the capacity of the snail mail system with the many of the by products that we're going generate through the power process from addition destination standpoint want to make people feel comfortable we want to provide activities that draw the public not specifically into the plant itself but on the property around it and how can we make an amenity and destination in and of itself and when we want to be a node to connect people to the community and from a gateway standpoint we want to celebrate the community and the facility at the same time with the site and the building boom and express the context got a lot of great cont in the site and we want to enhance the access to and the experience of this particular area this was one of the diagrams from a very very schematic standpoint that really drove home a lot of the foundational principles that really set the stage for how we started to develop the site look at the building started to develop some of the architecture of the building as well always say stuart in social they're naming two different things steward if you think of all the welland areas all the natural areas that are on the north end of our project area lots of environmental features up there and those are really important to holland and many of the things that we heard during workshop so we wanted to capture those and how can we bring those into the site and make that  new power facility social meaning as we get closer to downtown as we get closer to hope college all of this did those different things are going to have an impact on what can happen down there along eighth street and in that entire area so how do we create something that is and is impactful that is attractive that's a destination for those that want to use it and then we started our design progression and we took you know as a as i went through with the schedule there were a number of different steps along the way where we continually made progress on the design and kept coming back to the committee for feedback always looking through our goals and objectives and our mission asking them each and every time are we hitting the mark are we meeting all these objectives to get us ultimate mission we had four workshops and we really sink we put this into four different decisions you know we started to look at from a building standpoint you know do we look at a traditional style do we look a progressive style both of them are fantastic things to embody and you have many excellent examples of both in the community we want to look at you know subdued architecture versus dynamic architecture looked in materials and colors and the last one  started to look at the final approval got all the information came back with final runners that you will see you all will see tonight very very early sketch hand drawn rough marker in fact this is just a picture taken with my phone so this is the type of process that we were going through at the workshop is generating quick ideas to start to come up with the ultimate concept they were going to use for the building started to talk about circulation started to talk about how people get in and around the site start to talk about different destinations on the site and how people can access it and enjoy it start to look at different views how does this look from chicago drive looking towards the building was the experience and how should it be what does it look like from the northeast corner of the project how can we take advantage of some of those existing trees out there there really lend a scale that will help to bring down the size of the overall size of the building and we were off that three day session with a series of impressions first impression was that the group really wanted to explore a progressive appearance for the building there was interest in breaking up the boxes you know when we were looking at the power plant first there are a lot of boxes that make up this facility so how do we start to break some of those up so does just doesn't look like a huge box in the skyline lots of intrigued by glass how can we express indoor outdoor relationships style is important power in the park is a powerful concept started to look at it for that if this is going to be a destination how do we make it comfortable for people and hide to reveal one of the important things as you will be able to see the facility from a lot of different directions but what we want to do is try and craft how we hide and read reveal the facility on the site when people are experiencing it so we refine that initial site plan that hand sketch and start to come up with different circulation patterns different bypass different material treatments how we're going to handle storm water all of those different types of things then we ultimately have come now to this point where we have a final plan we have the building located where we think that it needs to be all the different features are are on the site we have parking this doesn't really point out a lot of things but just in general on the south part of the site we have some parking that is directly along seventh street it's going to serve a number of different purposes it will serve some purposes during construction serve some purposes after construction public will be able to park there get there to use the bike pass it there to use some of the other amenities that will be on site we have an access point on to chicago drive that's basically the main access into the facility has a turnaround in there for snowplows and other equipment that can't get past the gate or comes in come in there not knowing that it's a closed entrance  further north where you see the ponds is really our main stormwater area we're looking at that you'll see some images here in a little bit of how that is treated the main loop road around the plant the plan is the order white boxes over on the left hand of the image left hand side of the image how we get around that all the different access points that we need into the building for maintenance repairs replacements all that kind of stuff there is a on the east side of the plant there is kind of a po space that will be used for as a part of that educational hub use a lot of sustainable materials a lot of educational activities that will kind of be the starting point for any tours that might come on to the site michael talk about how that really translates into the inside of the building in a little bit mike's going to talk a little bit about the architecture ok we're building a power plant and so it really first and foremost is all about power but one of the things i realized as we got into this early on was you've got some fantastic things that are going on inside the guts of this building and i think that's part of why the educational component of this has become so important so prominent and really it was that component that started to drive the whole design what fascinated me was you're going to have jet engines inside this plant and that's that's what you're seeing here we started by looking at a lot of examples of existing power plants as lance said we had those four workshops the first workshop we want to do decision on whether this was a traditional looking building or whether it should be more progressive a lot of good discussion votes on both sides ultimately we went with the more progressive l this starts to show a lot of comparable kind of facilities with a whole really a lot of sparkle to them something that says look at me we looked at a lot of different materials this was important for a lot of reasons we're looking at dura billet we're looking at a static swe want to make sure this looks good it's right on the edge of the city and we also want to use the materials to break down the scale of the building we had some great discussions about scale i think it took a long time for all of us to kind of get our head around the size of this building but i think it's fortunate in that citing that that scale gets broken down by the landscape  by the distances and by the whole environment around it but we're also able to break down that scale with the tone on the materials with the sizes of the materials and if anybody's interested we do have some samples of the materials over here on the site table and to be happy to go over those one of the materials we talked about that lance mentioned was the glass and again sort of as an educational component but also as to make this more of a showpiece we we have in the largest room if you will of the building we've got it's a very tall glass wall in the intent is to showcase those pieces of equipment that are within that  building but there was a concern about birds you know we don't want to have a lot of birds slamming into that glass and we've we've looked at some research that says there are ways you can deal with that and some of the glass samples show some horizontal stripes that actually help birds avoid the collapse so we looked at a lot of different things this is the main point of that ok the first workshop we came into that first workshop with  design concepts and keep in mind these design concepts were done with before i even met anybody with the power company i brought into traditional concepts and i brought in a contemporary concept these were just what big what if pictures and we we had a good discussion about this we went over these and ultimately that is the decision was let's let's go toward the progressive band and see where that takes at the next set of workshops then we came in with two completely different contemporary progressive looking designs the one on the left we is the one we we refer to as a more subdued almost a background building design it just it it's it's fairly quiet the one on the right was a more dynamic look and that that's ultimately the one that was selected and i think a big part of the reason that was selected was the concept quarter if you will at concourse within the building that would be accessible to the public obviously once they're on to the site that would let them take tours from one end of the facility to the other now both of these concepts internally had that but only the one on the right expressed that on the exterior and what that did that organized the whole functional portion of the building by letting the public on a second floor go from there essentially from the front door the building all the way back to the main guts of the power plant and look into each space and see what's going on and directly below that on a separate corridor that was inaccessible to the public we had a staff  allowed that same kind of quick response i can get anywhere i need to get quickly within the building and this starts to show that that concept now what you're looking at is actually a slice of the  building we're looking at the south facade but we've sliced off the front so that you can see those two corridors i just described and you can see on the far right is the entrance to the building and you can go all the way to the far left into the main body of the plant ok this is another view of that and you can see the small view of the upper right the overall view so now we're standing at the far east end of the building outside the building looking directly at the front door the front doors actually behind the low that that red portion that you see and that glass on the second floor to the right is is the second floor of what we're calling the administration portion of the building those are the offices the locker rooms all of those kinds of places it also has a lobby for the for any tours that would come in there there was talk of creating almost a museum display with the history of the of the power company so now i'm going to take this view and i'm going to slice off the front of that so we're now we've now come back into that you can see the the upper concourse the public concourse you can see that orange cylinder which is actually the control within the building outside of that orange cylinder you see the two story lobby space for the building which becomes that museum display area for the public and then the two portions the two floors off to the right of that are the staff components and i'm going to slice this back one layer further ok now we've cut back into that cylinder we're now looking into the control room that's now the green area you see and you can see how that concourse can actually look down to the left into that that one's base of the power plant as we cut back further we're now we still see the two concourses the public above the staff below and again the public can look into either side the staff can get into either side from there and then finally as we cut back one more time we're now into the really really really interesting part of the building this is where the big stuff is and you can i think you can see at the far left you can see again the upper public concourse with the staff area below it but then you're now starting to see that large glass wall on the left where the south sun will will stream in on to this equipment and on to the stacks so it'll really be a dynamic space as we were going about this we wanted to look at relative scales of things around town that would relate to this but also what the views would be from some key points within the city the power plant is on the far right there and then we've we've circled several areas of the far left is the existing plant at the very top edge is the windmill freedom village is the one toward the center and at the bottom is the boss field house  hope college we created this diagram this diagram is not reflective of how close or how far away these buildings are from each other but it does show side by side the relative scales at the far left is  existing plant at the center is freedom village and at the far right is the proposed plan so you can see the young actually the wharfs the new one to some degree ok as we go here we're looking here this is actually a view of the plant from the amtrak station this is the this is from the base of freedom village and this is from one mill island now all of these have used if you will the same camera so you're getting the same kind of view from every one of these so you can see that windmill is actually farthest away in this case so the plant has the least impact there and so after we've gone through our four workshops the result was this design we have this this the slice that goes through there that forms that educational component the concourse you can see the  building which is the tall building with the two stacks the large glass wall in front of it and then at the far right at the front is the administration building with the green roof on top of that second floor  in terms of materials what we've done here we as i said we've tried to use materials to break down the scale and i can go into as much detail or first a little detail on that as you'd like but predominantly the building is a a metal sided building and again we have samples here this the concourse the red concours is will match the the logo of the power company the red and the rest of the building will be a fairly subdued gr same view at night the the intent there is when the lights are on in that herceg space you will get this real dynamic beacon effect of the building the inten also to illuminated the red as well so you get this iconic view whenever you're along the south of the side of the building and then finally this shows that the main entrance main entrance on the left underneath the concourse the glass box of the administration and staff area and then the stepping up of the building as it moves away from administration again to break down that scale so that it has a more human scale one of the key pieces of this is how the architecture in the site work together and you can see in this image as we start to look at a little bit closer at the onus either on the site itself mike and i both wanted to make sure that our inside and outside spaces were complementary and work together from a design standpoint from a material standpoint from a static standpoint all of those things are really important so when you look at this area we've got a lot of native grasses that are  somewhat of what you might call monoculture is so that we can set off the building and make sure that that's key in the viewpoint up around that main entrance we're using wood we're using stone one of the things it's going to come out of the demolition of the facilities that are out there is a lot of concrete a lot of foundations a lot of other buildings have very deep foundations in them we're going to be removing all of those we want to recycle as much of that as we possibly can so as a part of the demo of all the existing buildings we're going to try and turn a lot of that kind of creep back into use on the site and we'll show you how we're going to do that in a second but this front area has a lot of seating opportunities as places for groups to gather has places for employees to go out and enjoy has places for people to come and just sit and socialize during their day during their workday along that front as a part of that environmental sustainability that i was talking about before we have a series of bio infiltration planters these are going to take off the roofs of the power plant down into it help that settle out before it goes into our detention system we've got another location and provide for an irrigation system a self running irrigation system without a potable mix also in that front positive area and then you can start to see how we're going to use some of that recycled concrete in the image on the site will certainly creatives unaesthetic of its own one that we think is going to be very respectful of the colors and the design that is going into the overall building itself on top of the administration building we're going to have a green ro f so again from a stormwater standpoint something that we're taking very seriously throughout the campus we want to try and keep the landscape was subdued as we can so that the building can really have a prominent place on the site and so we're not going to have a ton of different things going on all over the place we want to make make sure it's a very consistent treatment so the building has that highlight up at the front entry gates obviously this needs to be secure facility on this isn't just open for the public because there's a lot of expensive dangerous equipment that if people get in and start doing the wrong things could cause lots of problems so we want to make sure that it's definitely a secure facility so we do have a fence that goes around the entire perimeter at there for an interview though we want to make it as welcoming as we can and still stay consistent with the objectives of safety  a static and so we're looking to use those gave me in baskets also at the front entrance as a part of the gate where we represent some of the window treatments and patterning that's on the administration building in the glass there and we also have the security fence that can be mounted on top of those gave me an baskets as well as create some of the columns to help to identify the facility what is it who's it for further out on the site two big areas the storm our detention area up on the northeast corner the detention area and then west over to the corner of the site right around where the inner tunnel is used to be located we'll be using those gave him baskets to retain some grade along there and set up a nice future for a waterfall in between retention ponds we've got about a fifteen foot great change between where fifth street currently is right now and we're star excavating is right now so there's a lot of topo that we had to deal with out there in order to create some of the environments that we're looking to build and one of the ways that we can highlight that is by having this upper and lower level detention basin not only can we create a great a stack out of it when there's an overflow situation with the waterfalls but we can also have it be a settling system where every step along the way it settles out a little bit more of what's coming into the system which from an environmental standpoint we always want to do as much as possible we have very contemporary furnishings  on there one is where the kind of what you might term the zigzag benches are located where that arrow is pointing is an overlook so from that position it's kind of a gathering place it's a resting spot on the trail you'll have a great view back to the waterfall you have a view to the north of the pedestrian bridge to the north of that i just mentioned is a pedestrian bridge that all people that are on the bike path to be able to cross over that detention area and continue moving along the north and the west up onto the hill you can see a lot of the existing trees a lot of what is there we're going to try to keep as much as possible to help again bring the scale down so there are some very very large existing trees out there that will maintain as much as possible that bike path will help will start to weave in and out of those areas on the north edge of the site and we're going to clean and what some might term clean and grub some of those areas that are the understory to help open up the views to that well and area to the north because there are some really really nice views towards the south end of the site there are two different treatments that we're looking at in this is starting to harken back to that steward social concept that i talked about at the beginning of the presentation on the north part of the site were closest to the ones we're trying to bring that stewardship and environmental  responsibility into the site from that direction and so a lot of the things are very informal the overall look of the pedestrian bridge because they're constructed environments are a little bit more progressive a little bit more contemporary similar to the building but the natural environment that we're creating is a much more associated with the well and as you come south as you come closer to hope college as you come closer to the downtown the forms start to become more formal and so the lower right image is starting to show how we can start to take some of that t have some of that extra fill that we have and start to create shapes start to create sculpture holland and the entire michigan area on the side has a wonderful art history and i think that this is another opportunity for you start to show some of those items out this would be your view from chicago drive if i'm coming in to the city and i'm driving down chicago drive and i will look to the southwest this is what i will see you can see the pedestrian bridge in the foreground the overlook off to the right you can see other gave me an ball and gave me a wall sweeps around the waterfall there between the upper and lower ponds sweeps to the left the other important thing that we talked a lot about with the committee is how we layer these improvements so when i am on chicago drive i've got something in my fork around i've got something in the mid ground i've got something in the background these are existing trees as you can see in here we're selectively choosing the largest ones and some of the ones that are in the best condition we want to save those as much as possible so we're going to keep keep those and help to frame what i said haydn review earlier this is what i'm talking about we're starting to hide in review with topo entries the views to the building so that we can try and capture the best views that we can that's really the entire concept a full three and a half months of work like i said before it was a lot of fun you have a great group of people we enjoyed every moment with all of these folks and we would be happy to take any questions or thoughts that you guys might have counsel board or any questions for the h d r team so one of the first things that we we do h d r has a gigantic power group within the company so they do power stuff all over the country this is one of the few times where they  had the opportunity to say what can a power plant really be outside of just generating power and so from their standpoint and arst our standpoint obviously the opportunity to come here and create something that really is a landmark and  we truly consider this to be a something that will and should be highlighted nationally and internationally as a site for the future of power  i think that that has all the makings of some very successful story there are very few outside of maybe the eight to nine places that we were able to research in the world that took power plants from an architectural and a side standpoint as far as what holland is taking power so it's like i said at the beginning of this is an extremely exciting time for you guys and i think that you're going to find yourselves on the national stage sooner rather than later because of this project well my sense is that that very first group of people you threw you showed as a group that comes together and how not just for power plants but that same group that same strategy that same them all happens here a lot and i think the reasons we seem to make the right decisions in the sum total of thirty or forty years of transforming our downtown largely comes from that kind of collaboration and if you really look look at the names that are on that list it's amazing are all here in our community they stay here they plug in and they care and i would attribute the results that i think are exceptional to a very talented group of people who just started step back and said he answered all those questions first before he even started thinking about putting a turban in a building so and i give the b p w a whole lot of credit because i think something like this ten years ago probably never would have happened this kind of dialogue this kind of open this this kind of communication so  from the from the first blade of grass to the stacks i think it's just something that's absolutely stunning and appreciated very much thank you i would echo your comments on both of these guys perch as well as the committee other comments questions at this particular point david you want to add anything because i think i wanted to say you know i recognize the panel and i know lance did as well but but some of them are here tonight as well and  appreciate them continuing to you know come in and take interest and what the outcome of this is and i you know i think you know terry neal heise is here you know several from you know ryan staff in the planning department with phil know was involved in that as well as mark and i'm looking around the room here not to miss anybody but dana as well and so you know tim kurt todd you know and paul to weigh in on how they felt that that went and hopefully they'll have an opportunity to do that if if they desire to relates to other forms of power that we might demonstrate as a form of education to our community high school students to grade school students in terms of wind or solar and whether that could be incorporated at all in the education portion thank you as far as an exchange expandability standpoint the image that you see on your screen where the arrows pointing the dot in the yellow section that is your expansion spot that is sized to accommodate i but we've another person unit another commercial combustion turban so that's where the expansion would happen and that is the expansion that we would expect to occur if anything on this facility from you know we've been able to reduce one tank out of that image in the process so there's a little bit more right or right that image represents a day just for clarity when you say tank there's those three circular pieces on the left you know you take the mouse and move it around and show folks oh yeah and about right here they're going to be able to reduce that you know removing the larger one there which which gives more footprint to be able to add another turban or combined heat and power unit in the future and from your other question i will look to dave on wind and solar and how will you what's it will certainly the areas around the plant you know are have that space available for those kind of demonstrations we've been able to demonstrate you know community scale when i mean in residential scale when i should say and small commercial scale wind it at various areas such as at the civic center and at the h p b w service center so i think from a windows ration standpoint there's room for that kind of thing here we already have some of those demonstrations for education that we could certainly use those sites as as a means of providing that education solar again i think there's room  and as cost would continue to come down or there be an opportunity to do something at some point i think that the space is there to accommodate it but there's no immediate plans for that to be part of the construction documents or the project itself davis good point one of the things that we did talk a lot about other types of power and how that might play a role in the site and i think once the ultimate conclusion came in is let's make sure that the sites big enough to accommodate such things and let's not design a lot of things that could get i way of doing some of those things if we wanted to in the future so i think a lot of the spaces you see around the facility itself right now could have those elements included in it in the future and want to bring tourism to the facility you know will not only have history but we can have other things that demonstrate all you know information and pictures of alternative forms of energy as well and that in that process board member miller phil miller place thank you i think jay summed up the excellence of everything that is happened i would simply like to add a couple of comments and that is i have never seen so much excellence executed in so little time three and a half months that in itself is amazing the second thing is use you use the world the word world class is one of your goals and i simply want to respond by scene it takes world class people to have a world class result so thank you for being world class birch please i'd like to begin it and the b p w folk know this that i was very particular about what we were going to be seeing especially from the perspective of the proximity of this building not just from chicago drive but from windmill island and the park in the a static goes along with it and i told dave this when he showed some of us last week a very impressed with what you've done and what you've presented and that it's a very forward thinking design as you said it's very open it's accessible and it's inviting even though i think it's contrary to the belief that you would want any part of the public anywhere near a power station for the people who want to know more or and want to understand how we operate and how we are forward thinking in the progressive community  this this accomplishes that very well but the park idea i think is very again forward thinking one question i had during the i guess the many study session that we had  is the grasses you have the photo up right now is this is it grass is it wild flowers i mean we see this out at the herman miller greenhouse and that they have to do a regular controlled burn to manage that is that the same idea here will we see that there is this more of a grass that just can state as is going to be a combination of a lot of things and we're going to use a couple different grasses in a couple different ways to highlight different aspects of the site and so the vast majority will be very similar to what herman miller has out on their farm in the key to that is maybe not so much a burn although burning is one one way of doing that you can also cut it that's another way of maintaining that and as i tell my clients when we want to do a native native landscape it doesn't mean you can plant walk away and say you know well it does take maintenance but it doesn't take as much and that's one of the key points where we want we do want to use a couple different things and so there will be wildflowers in some areas so that we have seasonal interest in color there will be taller and shorter areas in different different locations and we want  highlight those earth forms that were talked about in there or highlighting those in a different way set apart from the rest so that not only are they highlighted because of their topography but they're also highlighted because the vegetation that's on  follow up on brian's just we haven't shown the last two slides of the presentation or some neat stuff that we're doing with computers these days that allow us to actually take and put this plant right into the picture i can see th before i know and so this is to actually take in it's about a one and a half times magnification lens standing on the platform of the windmill so you have that that is the actual picture so you see how the plant sits you know with all the trees and everything kind of in the foreground there you know that gives you a real life image of the and not just graphic rendering i really like this dave i mean ed and i'm a total pain in the butt on this type of thing and you know that but i think you guys really outdid yourself so congratulations thank you let's go and show the next one to just so we also see that this would be from like the fifth floor freedom village so you see the pond in the foreground there that would be the pond that you're driving around as you know the access road into windmill island and so you see just again how the trees are lining that the side of the sea is such real way to provide some screening and then you get the plant kind of coming through that a little bit counselor whiteman wanted to ask a question actually just make a comment brian you are indeed a pain in the butt and you know i'm so so much to the point in our last meeting we actually had mike take us to what will be affectionately known as birch vest on the exit drive from the island in who knows maybe a marker will set there someday because mike did take us really really close to this spot with his technology because your point was incorporated in build it and so do we have an estimate of how many jobs will be provided in the construction of this facility that's my first question the second question is how much will it cost just to build the structure  of two hundred twenty five workers on that project the high point so if you extrapolate and you add in the workers that come and go and so forth over the course of the project you'll probably have closer to eight hundred or thousand actual workers that have participated in the project and then the cost of construction yeah cost estimate you know we are building that up we'll have that by think you know soon near the end of the month i think is the idea to have all the capital cost put together here so there are some specific paternal  that's you know we've got to be researched a little bit here and put into place but that's all being pulled together i don't have the actual estimate for the building shelter at this point ok thank you mr mayor thank you thank you you other questions comments from folks up here draco's member peter's place but of one more thing that i think is unique about this project and i've only been in three or four meetings but one thing i've learned is  the compliments to holland charter township for i think the collaboration has got and we've always we've always bragged about it i've always been kind of a critic about saying well we collaborate because it's such low hanging fruit but i think that there's almost a new spirit of collaboration among the local units of government there's been some change in leadership in the last few years and i think it's it's been a good thing so i just like t uncharted township because we could've done that without them and they've been at the table in spades and from what i understand being more than cooperative and and i i think that's a great sign for a community going forward so thank you terry terry and i'd many ways so this hasn't been you know the city leeds and township agrees this has been working together both involved in leadership and coming to mutually good decisions you know sometimes suggested by us sometimes suggested by the township so you're absolutely right though jay this this is depending upon which direction you're going it's the entrance to the city or the entrance to the township so it's an important spot for for both of us i know our suspect at least i don't know will find out that the folks in the audience may have questions or comments they'd like to raise and we certainly want to give the opportunity to do that the plan tonight is to refer this at minimum to the planning commission and also then to any other boards that  either the that the general manager or the city manager deem necessary to review the matter at this point going for it further if we want or need to but before we do that i suspect we'll have a pretty quick action on that action let me say if you'd like to comment on anything you've seen tonight or questions and you seen please feel free to step forward to the microphone typical council rules apply up to five minutes to address the board and council and name and residential address for the record please and by merit i do think  had to have an individual session for a couple  hours god bless david kastor and his amazing patience and ability to work with all kinds of people and definitely i tested that but it was very good for me to think through everything and i had to i had malice toward none but i really wanted to make sure that that i could embrace this at the center and part of it is this sense of history and the way we do downtown and we've figured out that the best way to do downtown was to take the facades off and to have a brick classic look and also hope college kind of mirrors that in the construction of their buildings and we have a very homogeneous feeling for whole college and downtown and the lansing power plant is a similar design to all of what we have that's downtown and whole and i know when we first built a power plant design was the last thing people thought of i mean you just go for power you just stick pipes up you do piles a call and you just have power and you put it by the water i mean that's what you know nobody thought beyond that and everybody was just practically focused so this time though we realize that there are things about the way the power plant looks now that we're not the proudest of in and it is by the wider and why did we do that and so i didn't want people fifty years from now to say you know what were those people thinking when they agreed to doing a different type of look that didn't fit the rest rest of the city and people walk me through that that whole college doesn't want people turning right thinking  another building going to learn something about with hope they will learn something but will be about power and so that they preferred a different look and then i had to get i had to figure out how we put a bright light colored building in the center of that it's like that's all you're going to see you're not going to see the warmth and the green of nature so that kind of help me with that in that when i looked up other power plants around the world and there was one that was done really green and i'm afraid it did look a little bit like a gnome house because it had like green fungus growing all over it and i thought you know i that's not the greatest from the shower yeah this little guy waving i don't know where that was doesn't know that's denmark or wherever but that wasn't too cool looking so i i kind of backed up from that i asked for a little darker color on the building but i was assured that is not just a flat look that will have depth and dimension and i do appreciate the way that all of the property is set up with depth and dimension which makes it much more to stick than just a big chunk of a power plant and and so i really i really appreciate that i can see the coolness of the red swoosh thing i think that's great because it goes with goes with the b t w goes with a feeling of power the word contemporary scares me because what is contemporary today looks really out of it i think that's good and when you say that some of these things are designed in a contemporary way like that zigzag thing i think you know that's not so much just a contemporary feel but it's also it connects with the power theme and so that feels consistent to me that that's not going to be flavor of the month architecturally and so i can see the value of that the one thing one thing i thought oh i love the way you're lighting it at night that we can see the red and and the feeling of the whole building i wonder if we can light trees to i love it when you go by a park and the trees are lit i just think it's a softer feeling in and i love to love it emphasize the trees in the way that you're being careful with nature around it and preserving some of the big trees and all of that see i think oh yeah and then wow how does that look how does it building look i looked up in austin texas power plant very ugly it was a light color and then i had this black dribbling stuff coming down and i don't know how all that was but i'm like i don't want to fifty years ago by a black dribbling stuff on the power plant and i was assured that this material will not do that and even if the outside gets bad we can switch it out so it's not like you have to completely redo your power plant so that is my huge long bunch of problems that i brought to these very patient people and and i i am glad for all of that journey because i said at this meeting i had i had to love it i had to celebrate it and and i do it is a hard thing for me to pick put up a plant in the middle of all that gorgeous nature and but you know we have to celebrate power and we need to have a highland energy park and i'm thrilled that we can expand the snow melt system and and that we can do it in an artistic way and that we can have public access and that it's educationally based in still secure i love the black fence deal that that's much more quiet than another kind of fence and so i do appreciate all the work and all the coordination and all the dimity of the of the committee and i'm glad to have had my little private sessions to help me with all my questions so fake you for all that you put into this thank you before we overly ask one question that might be on some people's minds because as we think about gas generated power gas generating power plants in our area there's maybe a question about fog and steam ok let's address that one size or just the way the thing looks let's talk a little bit about the technology to answer those issues if so so it is a combined cycle power plant and part of the process is are these jet engines that we talked about and then what we do is we take that waste heat and it comes off that and we actually make steam and we run steam through a steam turbine to make additional power it's very efficient because we're using the waste heat from the combustion term process makes the entire process very efficient what we can do then is what we w we have to do is we have to condense that steam back to water so that it can be pumped back and boiled again we do that right now at our existing power plant the only difference is that the heat that's provided is done so by coal rather than waste heat so at our existing power plant we take that steam and we condense it by introducing it to cold water from lake mack attala not directly but it passes over tubes that are coal and will have a similar type of condenser it's called here in this unit but instead of being able to send that heat back out to lake mack a tower to reject it we have to use a cooling tower ok even if we build a new power plant by lake mcintosh we have to use a cooling tower because the regulations so tower obviously is something that is a very important design element in this process because the neighbor yeah and the the cooling tower is on the right hand side of the image that you're looking at right there about two thirds of the way up the page it is a structure that is fairly large it has three cells to it and there's a fan under each one of those that's actually taking air and blowing it up through there it uses a fabric of cooling so what happens is we take the hot water from the condenser and we spray it over that area and run the air up through it to evaporate water which is going to cool the remaining water in that area that evaporated  water than is saturates the air and it normally goes out and when you have a very cold day kind of like today you can get a plume you know that comes from that so we have added height on this to accommodate technology that is what's called plume abatement technology they don't have that in next door in zealand at the the consumer's energy combined cycle facility would be an additional technology here there's different ways of dealing both the operating cost impacts and the capital cost impact so that board and council be mailed be able to make a decision on that and understand under what atmospheric conditions will there be and won't there be you know any sort of plume from from this cooling tower thank you so the short answer for those of us who let's just say aren't engineers we are considered we're in consideration of that issue and looking at technologies and we'll plan for technologies that will address the issue under almost all right my humanities agree coming into good use right at that point with that let me open up the the microphone for questions comments from the audience if you've got something for council the board or any of our guests who work on this project tonight i would invite you to feel free to ask them at this time or of course the future meetings where this issue will be looked at well you're working your way up can turn the lights on in the over here is where all the sample materials are so before you leave tonight i want to take a look at some of the sample materials that that might be going on to the plant good evening and well thank you very much ken freestone eight forty five east eighth street in holland i really do appreciate dave you know i had a chance to talk on saturday coffee with counsel about some of this concept and some of things going on so it was nice to get a preview conversation and i really appreciate what we what you talked about in what you presented here today especially that the green aspect of course the recycling the green infrastructure the park infrastructure all of that i like the reference to nancy your reference to an energy park i really  like that too and i really like the protection and the set back from the north portion there we talked about that having having taken people over eight hundred people on canoe trips and kayak trips up and down that river that was one of the spots on the north side when the when the water was higher we could take people back in there and it was one of the most spectacular spots along the whole market or river is that wetland in that pond in the lily pads and all the to green infrastructure that's there the natural infrastructure that's here phenomenal so i appreciate the buffer there and and hopefully with making it more of a park type setting back there or the interaction more people will get a chance to see that a couple of questions about you know people talked about it the lighting of it and you know being able to see the glass in the front never being what is the infrastructure look like on the north side as are glass and is there lighting going to the north side also and the reason i asked that is having been a former property owner and resident on the north side it was really interesting when park davis was there that was one of our views off to one section of our house when that building and that infrastructure all came down changed everything jurat drastically dramatically for the better because we all that light pollution that was there was gone so all that natural feature came back and we've got nature back again so i worry about having more light going that direction to the residents on the north side a lot of obviously the residential is not on the south  the east side i think the the photo image that we had at the end here showing from the windmill i know it's a little bit away but if you can advance that lance ok so you see that the top of the building there on that side or any sort  of vantage point of quite a distance away to the north is really not going to have a lot of any sort of light really coming from that that the lower end of that half of the building which is really covered by the trees there are some glass areas within the back side there but the predominant glass you know really is on the front the front side of the building all right and then on the admin portion of the building the staff force and you get the green roof there is there some reason why you were able to expand that even further because there are several tiers there of lot of white roof there which is good but is a reason why i wouldn't be able to expand that and go green roof even further i'll make a few want to touch on  that but you know part of it has to do with some of the various you because it's a production area has a lot of apertures and things like that and ventilation points and things coming in to help displacement air within the those areas of the plant so that's that's part of the reason that that becomes an issue but on off mike if you want to add on not that is that is the main issue there right and the how about are there going to be any wires or transmission from here yes shown anywhere on there so the right the other part right and we're looking at some options in that regard the overview of the if we can go back to the site plan dave you also have access to that work right there i'm sorry  s x about right a way to do that we've looked at a couple of different options frankly we've looked at underground for a portion of the way and then coming up or we've looked at overhead using  there is a very significant capital cost difference between verse and if it cost difference for underground versus overhead plus if there ever were a problem with that line you know getting to it to repair it is a very extensive amount of work so i think our plan is probably to you know recommend any way that we hug the railroad as close as possible with an overhead line that's you know as minimal visual impact is as possible going north along the railroad it will connect into lake quibble and then again take it take a look at it from the residential side there to you know there are some great homes there and there's more construction going on on that north fortune reveals dr yes overlooking as so please take that into consideration  one more question is or maybe also an unity as an energy park to almost look at it like this as the merrick you know michigan alternative and renewable energy center upper grand valley is there an opportunity for some kind of a in on space related to energy and power generation so making it an educational center but maybe also an incubation center too and doing similar things to what they're doing up there brings in more people and more ideas and obviously supporting renewable energy the plant footprint that's there is a cop you know is accommodating the work that needs to be done in the plan the space and has to be done the plant but the site you know obviously with the buffer zone or they're a little bit larger over time you know who knows what might emerge a possibility i think you know we do want to respect the fact that this is an energy park and we do want to make this an educational hub with respect to that but we don't have plans in exactly what that would be and i would say inside the plant footprint other than being able to demonstrate some things through more of a called a museum kind of setting you know there isn't a lot of other extra space within side you know the plant footprint this time that could well i guess the final thing is the architecture great really appreciate the going that extra step and make it look like something that's inviting i would ask that in that at night if we can reduce the lighting though even from the south view if we can reduce that a little bit not light the trees because that's not nature is lighting trees and reduce what the footprint of the building is at night so it isn't this big lol reduce it a little bit it's a power plant but it doesn't have to point of question david before we see the name and the comments immediately behind me that is i think about residential spots in the north would be on the other side of the windmill caress that's correct immediately behind here there is there is no residential no str yeah you have the wetland and then beyond that is actually the rail yard so the view we saw looking from the windmill if you want to scroll up or but now that one i mean that that's actually closer than what the view from the residences across the and probably more to the east than what the visual would be as well just you know just so we all have a sense as to you know where things are and where they're not yet anyone else care to address council board at this time please good evening and welcome good evening my name is ryan bennett my address is fifteen thirty eight white pine ct i live up in twin lake a little bit northeast of muskegon i'm here today representing the plumbers and pipe fitters local one seventy four along with the west michigan building trades and i will be the first to admit i know absolutely nothing about a statics or design but i know a little bit about pipe and this baby is full of it and a lot of the thing is one of the things that west michigan really has going for it is it's got to be an experienced work force that maintains builds the generating facilities in this area from mock consumers energy up in west all of the james campbell complex the b c cobb zealand generating covert and palisades we're experienced and we've been doing this for many generations so i hope as we get closer the construction we can be an asset to you guys and help provide some of that value by getting those economic dollars those payroll dollars back in the community as we all all the trades employ many people from the holland in ottawa county area so thank you very much congratulations i've had the pleasure of working on many powerhouses around the midwest and this is by far the prettiest one i've ever seen thank you holland it's a beautiful design a really really excited about it what i just tee up a comment for anybody who would care i'm not sure who is most appropriate but i suspect there might be some feedback about large jests or opulence or expense of this world class design maybe a question is it necessary to have a world class design and what might that mean for the future of power costing the community think i had quite the list that you had but i did spend a bit of personal time a day in and in others and i spent some time talking with dan as well and i think most people know me well enough in terms of  fiscal matters that you know i had questions in that arena as well i was putting these pretty quick when i began to understand the box if you will the building and its relative cost nature to the overall project i think the first slide that mike had up there for us was a picture of the jet engine and you know best i can tell you is is that the combination of those things are by far the lion's share of what's going to be on the the bill of goods here now it doesn't mean that the box we have may cost a little bit more than the utility you know a utilitarian looking box but  you know i pride myself on a bit of fiscal stewardship and i will tell you i feel really comfortable about the balance that this building strikes between good fiscal stewardship but also the stewardship that we're trying to exhibit with a forty to fifty year vision that the nine of us and b p you don't own by ourselves but this is been a community process for the better part of two or three years now and in that was one of the emerging themes was that it's a new level of stewardship for us and so yeah i think we're going to we're going to get some of that because it does have a red stripe that close from right to left i personally would rather it we in we've discussed tonight versus just plop in a box in a space and stick in a couple turbines in it and in doing all the good that we've talked about for three years it's pretty static numbers i think in the end it's it's going to be a bit  more but it's i think to be well worth it for the forty to fifty year vision that we have in indiana they ask who is your power provider right thanks todd for that and i do also think that we can't forget the strategic location of this facility and it is it's our one chance not only for you know for these folks sitting around this diocese but also really for our generation and probably the next one if not two generations to get right the this pretty important corner of really that the greater whole and community and for us on the council the entrance to downtown so you know this  generally but in this spot especially i think we don't want to be and you know penny wise and pound foolish and three years ten years fifteen years after it's done say boy why don't we make it look as good a facility as what it is on the inside so striking that balance i think will leave many people in different spots or leave us all in different spots along the continuum but know that those are thoughts that certainly crossed our minds as well other sorry there is a price to ugly tell me how and does things right and the inside and the outside and so to to welcome people the downtown and have a big chunk of whatever there that's not going to not going to  do and the exciting thing to me is that we can we are talking about this i mean if we had a privately owned power company who'd ask us what they're putting there is just boom there it is and it's full of pipes i know that's a great thing  but outside the pipes it's it's not going to not going to be anything anybody has any say over and that is just a wonderful blessing from our forefathers way back when to say you know we need power we're going to do it here for holland and we're going to protect our power source and in sell out to anybody over all the years like some places have and then regret it so we have reliable power we have very economical power and we have a huge voice in how we do power and the way it looks when we do power and that is such a thing to celebrate and i'm so grateful for it and i really appreciate the people in charge of the b t w that they are not only engineers they also have a sensitive side and they have been great with working with all kinds of people in this energy journey and because we have had vast differences of opinion over the last few years and it really does feel like a birthing process and coming to the presentation of this building it represents a lot of people coming together and understanding what we're doing and getting behind it and enjoying it and so we really appreciate all the hard work that everyone involved with the board of the d p w and the leadership of the b t w have put into giving us this product tonight so thank you very much anyone else in the audience care to address counsel to time then we have the request for both board and council to accept the report that we've seen tonight as information and refer to the planning commission and any other related board we recommend to pass this on i haven't said much tonight but i want to reiterate what everyone else has said i think we're on the right track is that i don't think we're on the right track and thanks a lot to h d r and the rest of the v p of his staff and everybody that have heard the recommendation coming to us from the board of directors of the board of public works what is the pleasure of counsel it would move the summer most all right moved by the mayor pro tem or supported by council member birch is there any further discussion for this evening on this with mayor berkoff and you among other people have said very kind things about him so we want to extend recognition of that fact but also our condolences to his family he led a long productive and very good life but nonetheless his passing certainly brings sorrow to