phase one was bill currently building homes on the seventeen lots of things why they're here we're planning commission for a recommendation on their final play and face to is it gives them the right to submit plans back to the township in phases and then in have those plans approved if they are in total compliance with the changes range from the grading is changing and we can go into more detail on this but in this area alone this area and in the middle this was in and right out and they have submitted plans depend to make it a full access not a restricted access in addition when we reducing grading and  pretty much grading man area that was sent so the question is before they're here before planning commission to get a recommendation on phase two but i think the first thing we need to do is clearly have planning commission clearly understand the changes that are being proposed and then have a planning commission make a decision as to whether or not you want what we should do now is let the developer in their engineer go into detail on their plan at this stage petard you know where center church meets at the top will be a signal and a right turn lane to go into center church of the smith mary through lanes and then as you go down truck engineer and when trans did their study they didn't really do a study they did opinion and so we're looking at the state to do a study based on you know now their new intersection in the news the nearly half of them making to that main thoroughfare would it be up and they say you know we really want this because all these right turn in becomes very problematic for them people are going to go left they're going to end up turning in englewood going over deal one thing to keep my mean that's kind of the starting on this if i can recall when we were talking about this plan the first thing was no access on them or the like everybody was worried about the country that you are so they kind of geared us toward well then let's go right turn on i mean it does take some congestion off of easement very road easting worry road is just you know i mean it's it's it's a nightmare now and i just i have a hard time getting comfortable with the onto our own property being that we can use it and then and when we took some value away from a couple lots there by bringing back money and because we tried to show some good faith so we're just going to try to take a look at that basically and i every lot has a storm lateral to tie their roof from french drain in drive when water into i don't think i think it will say that this is probably a better design from an engineering standpoint  would we say no we don't want to restrict it when he was on options i'm sorry because i think what we've learned here is that we need to be very careful when we're looking at a development that is surrounded by correct i think the verdict is still out on that the land all along and there is not fully vegetated yet and that's contributing to the problems you know size haven't changed st if we can move forward i just want you to hear what penn dot came up with so conditional on what they are and then you can take a vote just separate on that entry that but the time frame here we don't we should if planning commission feels dissuade them we should suck up to me like you're getting comfortable here comfortable with face to subject to conditions and then we include a condition that prior to proceeding with face three or for the owners of those protect drainage ways that would be a great area and through here there is wetlands and drainage now you've already done this do so we need to amend conditions or thirteen to include that the developer provide peters township indemnification agreement in case of encroachments into the conservation discussed that with july it looks i mean those february it looked like that ok never looked like that before this so i've lived there since one nine hundred sixty six the only time i heard water like that was hurricane ivan and now it's all about not every time it wasn't quite that bad today in our rain but if we get a fairly heavy rain arrange for two or three days this is what i get there's another picture that standing on the bridge looking toward the new backyard is also affected this is her backyard this is a picture standing in line or looking back at her yard this is actually family after the field behind this that used to be the anthony field running down towards that little stream this running here this is actually water that's on the other side of this so called silt retainer walk the fence that they have in the field up there this a piece of chain link fence with plastic on the fence was practically torn down the water the dark behind it is within a foot of the top of the water runs right over top of it  is my neighbor's yard but it looks like on an everyday basis there's no water there at all before they started this is what i will die every day at my backyard now yesterday i went up because they've been working up there on the nice to mounds of dirt that are up there moving topsoil dumping guardian or whatever it is a little bit that standing in the end of the can't remember the name of the street the one that comes down goes directly in them that goes right down in my backyard so the water just travels right down through there and down over the hill into my backyard this was one of the first attempts to try and correct the water problem after i went to see misters look they put that pipe in there because they've been working up there the ditch that day dug for that pipe to catch the water has been filled in the water coming off of that tree and that's why for our part there as you can see is filled in there's no way that that water is going to run anywhere it's going to go down right through that little valley and then there's one of the pipes that used to direct the i don't think that i should be responsible for them i don't think i should have to pay for insurance to cover the damage that's caused by them i think part of the planning board is whether it be these developers or any developer should require a builder or a developer to have some kind of a bond or an insurance policy to cover the homeowners that are being affected by the runoff of this one now i'm retired and living on a fixed income i can't afford all the stuff  because right now they've been digging up and they're moving this bizarre pos and like i said on leave here today on the twenty ninth of february i had water in my basement in extreme cold like that and if you walk up we're right now there is complain about it and he goes to see somebody and it gets corrected but every time they get somebody out of that hole up there that doesn't know what they're doing they disturb whatever they put in there and they get all of that then i have to go complain sister engineering standpoint if there's something there that would should be perhaps added as additional condition that was preventing the problem for this gentleman and i'm not just thinking about any how many times has this happened in the township i can tell you at least two or three other attended a lot of meetings i can remember one out toward venetia where the people were complaining about a plan and they showed a picture that there was a a four foot five water the can down for their progress i'm trying to tell other people as well as myself i mean even if he would give me a small number and if i see that the stuff has been discarded i could call you and say hey look you got somebody this dish that you had that his work temporarily for now is all the stars we get rain on your water i should have to come down and water misters or he's got a hundred other things to do or whether i'm coming out and looking at the prick in my backyard and if i may say one more thing and the hats of these gentleman i've attended most of the meetings for this anthony farm development one of the concerns for the gannon out and no access to mcmurray road was emergency vehicles the fire trucks couldn't get in them so i don't think you can block them completely from getting to m really i think we should take plenty commission one of the time what you're feeling is on the building sites for the recommendation designing your work take i'm one of the time and that's the first first one and what stops to be moved back even farther away indeed they don't become useful for people to locate where the drive is and that's the most important thing with tells everybody here's the driveway location and then for people leaving it's important to top of that actually my three foot or so the height of that so it actually can be closer to seven foot so that's ridiculous it needs to be close to three or four feet period you're up to seven feet here with  archers off the top of those signs you can picture with that would look like it which is be that red piano if i did that the height of that sign would change to about fifteen and a half inches and it would be in my view thirty six and a half inches wide so the square footage on there we go down to four which would bring me in compliance with the word announce that we would need a period when for the square footage that we would need a variance for that and we could do that ok if that would satisfy the court but we would like to lease put those on the four foot high holes which would take us to a total get it's a standard menu board everything that mcdonald's provides to rind is fits in that menu board all the strips all the menu items all the pictures in addition to that we've actually found that we've had to increase the size of it only to help people with visibility of of the items plus we have to add eighty eight information now onto those menu boards telling people what anybody needs assistance they need to i think it it actually did comply from what i understand about it now i've actually learned a little bit more about this sign because back in one nine hundred eighty one when it was constructed they actually made a special sign just for hits it with the eighty square feet and the twenty five foot hide the center up until i believe two thousand and five actually did comply with the ordinance at that time and as everyone knows the majority large electronic message board what's being proposed here is one that would be two foot nine inches like three foot eight inches it's actually a ten square which sign very very small the intent behind that forth to get permission to be able to put those on what he would like to do is instead of doing that to put in this additional ten square feet underneath the existing rows to to use that in place on the banners or any other type of additional signage that he would be adding in that and that's the reasoning for this we would prefer not to have to do anything to the sign on who would like to the proposed landscaping plan we have actually held off on putting any landscaping in this area the reason that we've done there is as part of our initial study we do what's called a s investigation in that state investigation we met with staff we showed him the proposed plan and we discussed things with them we also met with all the various utility companies and so forth through to find out what it was going to take in order to be able to develop this new building one of the items that we have to contend with is the fact that that the building codes have changed and now this building because of its occupancy will be required to be completely sprinkled and so we have to now bring a fire suppression line over from across the street to what was required one of the utilities that we met with when we did that site investigation was the gas company the gas company currently and we're asking yours not to be required to place the trees out there in there knowing that the gas company intends to come through and replace them lol one of the they don't  it that would be five foot three and a half in the downward requirement