some sessions to explore this thing emergency management and how do we fit that into richmond we know we have disasters we know and issues that can afflict our town i threw on just some quick photos that  got off the internet from the town of richmond you probably recognize them more than either the small pig was wonderful i had to put it on there for a printer came in but our board tonight from our discussions is one of an issue exploration about what we already have in town what can we already do where do we want to go what is training like one of the hazards for do we start and that's what i thought we'd spend our first probably hour on tonight about kind of the concepts of what we want to explore and what's already out there that can do one of our jobs  my job is to ensure that we provide local communities as much resource a port as possible that means crew bringing what things that we do on a daily basis what computer systems what alerting systems does paperwork planning all that sort of stuff to assist you because we know emergency management often isn't the problem on job of everyone in our state we have probably i don't know less than one percent of the emergency management directors actually are paid and it's certainly not a full time job for anyone so where we fit that in so i thought what would do would just give you sort of some global kind of stuff and then really localize it what else we need to do and then well the school does get into it and a lot of things will come out of it any questions just interrupt me or asked by the time very informal tonight so we'll talk a little bit about emergency management in vermont  this for areas of emergency management which are our fundamental for how we get organized around talk a little bit about resource profile and some of the technology that we can assist richmond at no cost which give you some very large capacity plus one of our newest technology learning programs again another no cost option for here and then at the end we'll look at how we can yes certainly jargon bust me that's fine state emergency operations point so we are going to talk a lot about that today but i will point out where richmond's rule is in the state emergency operations plan so what we usually prepare for for hazards in our state we look at all hazards but the number one that we're going to see is going to be the environmental ones it's going to be the weather stuff these are irene pictures in part this is a jam up in bourke this would be a small convinced that we have this stuff so our preparedness and our planning our response recovery has to really look at being prepared all the time other things that we're prepared for the on the environmental stuff hazardous materials we're actually pretty good at it we label it we placard it the chief here knows very well about hazmat on occasion we have books where we can respond and we know exactly what we need to do route to the interstate railways big hazards for our town here in richmond so this is a potential element that could cause a area to be evacuated may cause a long term community evacuation or transportation issue those sorts of things so that's a big big element of what may be out there that's a manmade one terrorism won't speak a lot about terrorism but it's an unwanted thing that we had to bolt on it's been around for a while but post nine eleven it's something we have to think of when an event happens we now must consider was it intentional was it not but it's part of an all hazards viewpoint so we're mot we're not much happens here right i mean we we don't have a whole lot going on well all we have to do is is back to just two thousand and eleven almost like yesterday and we're we're now into a couple years after that and a federal disaster the declaration is when we have roughly a million dollars per capita per county of damage in our state that means that we reach out to female to get federal assistance due to either public damage or individual damage so two thousand and eleven started early remember lake champlain over its banks for several weeks and that was a was very significant so we got our first coming into irene as it rolled up the coast well you know it's a hurricane but that doesn't really happen here we kind of looked at that even at emergency management we thought you know yeah it's a hurricane we're not really going to  rain bands those sorts of things we had really no idea what irene was going to do but irene showed up and interestingly enough and one thing we'll talk a little bit about here in a minute is about federal assistance coming into irene we already had two federal disaster declarations going on and that meant that fema had already set up a joint field office of j f zero for providing assistance in our state down here in pine street in burlington so  read up the coast we head wide two hundred or so employees in state already ready to deploy within vermont to provide assistance one of the great kind of things that was in a way sort of lucky unlucky lucky a state in terms of recovery so irene came through when it would be just later in the year that we also had another disaster declaration due to some significant rains as well so vermont for disaster declarations in one year not common however it was only about looking back in some of our records we had three about five years ago but we usually average maybe one one every couple years so weather events a qualified federal disaster declaration i guess my slide didn't quite transfer but you see greenwood it has not really but since two thousand and twelve we've also had one federal disaster declaration that has been declared for the state of vermont this would be downtown berry that they awoke up to that may morning in two thousand and eleven a significant amount of damage to household basements and things like that a little bit more dissipating the picture of all the counties in our state we're not immune from federal federal disaster assistance federal disaster declaration that means over roughly again a million dollars per capita has occurred so message here is and we're clear about it here in richmond but there is no place in our state that is from significant disasters putting it another way we still stay stay right in that crowd or your floods  severe storms or significant events those tend to be the number one things that we're challenged with yet and as we see him and how we're looking at emergency management in richmond that all hazards view is what we really have to do to look at if we spend all our time looking to become really good at flood fighting and then we have an agricultural long term drought or something like that we may have we were not really tooled well enough to handle all the hazards that are eye on what all hazards is how we want to do our recovery planning our response planning our preparedness and mitigation things we'll talk about as we go on here tonight so the story of emergency management is a little bit different so the chief response to structure fire people respond they suppress the fire it's out maybe it's a few hours hopefully you get mutual aid it's maybe a little bit longer but that's that's  response isn't all that long so richmond rescue has you know motor vehicle accident a couple hours something like that and managing the patients getting into tertiary care same thing with law enforcement you control the event  and then you move on so the crisis subsides pretty quickly but what's different in emergency management is that the crisis can be short term but the management of the disaster the long term consequences can be very significant so  still work on resolving issues in richmond for from irene and we that statewide you really have to to be programming in your approach to this emergency management concept as something that could be long term that's a days that's months in this case with irene it's going to be a few years and other things happened i put i didn't always have these little icons up here at the top  but taught us a lot and one of the things with a consequence management is that for those people who are afflicted in the disasters where their homes are washed away or where they work is washed away or both or they're completely displaced and they do qualify for assistance so the assistance provided some level of required coverage but you know what i can't get my home rebuilt or find a new home for months or in some cases over a year because the funding process and the reimbursements and all those things it is a complicated process so now we almost have a second consequence that evolved from a disaster where people are displaced and they loot lost their jobs w then now later they don't have money to sustain themselves they don't have the health insurance so there can be kind of second consequences from these long term disasters so i put those sort of icons up there  so let's start kind of whittling into a little bit while we talk about dominantly kind of about emergency management a lot of these slides are from our program called our emergency management directors program it's a three hour course which we'd be happy to put on here it's not specific to director but it speaks to the job and what the there were some parts abilities are a couple manuals that have to do with the program you're welcome just to pass them around and this really is kind of talks about the job description and what what it's all all about what our goals as we  want to look at emergency management is to look at really four components so preparing for that's where we're going to spend most of our time hopefully and the preparedness elements has a whopping amount of activity for responding to alternately that's sort of in some ways the easier part because we have response organizations who are able to do that they practice that are on duty twenty four hours a day somewhat of an easier switch to turn on then the recovery from we're right in the middle of recovery in our state we're still working on getting the recovery funs in and helping people who are displaced and again that's you know well over a year ago so the recovery side of things is also a large scale than than mitigation an interesting one mitigation is building a more disaster resilient community not during a disaster so if you're replacing a town bridge there are federal funds that out can allow you to make it the stronger bridge mitigate the event and make it more disaster resistant and that's something that is a somewhat of a complicated process again we have some resources that we can provide to make that an easier process one of the goals a night is to not give you all the answers but to tell you where you can find the answers from because there's a lot to answer in this process so that's kind of the snapshot of the four primary areas my going too fast ever in this focused enough so where does this all fit the response recovery preparedness mitigation all those sorts of things and this is what we call are our sort of r g curve of disaster response the anatomy of kind of how disaster would roll out typically the event occurs then there's some sort of local response you start to get organized around the event you have an incident command post where you're focused on the response area boots on the ground kind of thing if it gets big enough well you've got to provide more resources you have an incident command post maybe at your town you're starting to get organized around an emergency operations center or deal c so that would be to coordinate resources within your town to support what's going on in the field at that point sort of you've exhausted your resources and the event still requires a lot more than you can initially provide you may make a local request for an emergency declaration to the state which tells us that we need to look at lining up some resources to provide assistance we may activate our state emergency operations center or stay below c is not a command center is not a place where decisions are made to run the state is a place it is a one stop shop for resources it works for you that is what our studio c does so i give a shit in the stadio see then puts another run of different things in place where we may bring in what we call state support functions we may provide what we call rapid assistance or sassaman teams which are bringing people into a community or providing them to a system to community big flood overruns the richmond water system so now you're concerned water potable well maybe you get some more people from our water quality division or the health department to come in to provide some kind of assistance or or help make it easier different things can also happen where we have public safety districts in our state which are essential is if we had something really big and we needed to really figure out how to further break down how we allocate resources we break up into four public safety districts that have to be really big though so when i read happened we didn't do it wasn't big enough i'm still working on that one but and then as the state and local state response kind of  on then because our state does not have a disaster assistance fund we really look heavily towards theme of the federal emergency management agency to provide assistance and the typical  protocol is to bring in what we call preliminary damage assessment teams which essentially start literally within a day or two of the event happening starting to assess how bad the damage is it is not looking these these teams are not looking for financial number of what the damage is but they're looking globally at what the disaster damage is and that's how  particularly and i reiterate we were able to get a lot more emergency financial assistance for the state the lower part of our own that i may have a disaster talks more about the recovery side and it does have to do a lot with the fema they have a joint field office actually i believe it wells in essex they may be down to just a few people they may be moving it but that is a place where we start to register the disaster damage that's happened and that's where it starts to equate into actual financial resources so why why is this big for the town of richmond this part here what's big about this is what you do up here because as the disaster rolls out yup you have to respond to it you have to save lives and property but the other thing about it is you have to document what you did about it so every hour that the chief has a fire truck parked at an intersection for some kind of event that can be tied to a federal disaster  can equate into dollars every time there's a police cruiser every time that you have volunteers for the town of richmond who come in and say ok we want to go in a basement that can equate into actual dollars they may never get that they don't  receive no money for the time and effort but that still there are there's a big fat book of stuff that qualifies for fema assistance and so we really have to be as a town really well organized so that fema that well we had twenty seven that we fixed we had to fix them on the fly absolutely it's right thing to do but we have to have a mechanism to capture that information so that that can turn into financial reimbursement assistance for the town so the operations center concept where they want to go with how the team wants to make it work that's something they have to address used to be before digital cameras that some of the town just maintain those disposable cameras and they had challenges is to get people to report the disaster information irene of course a little bit of an exception but for the smaller ones that we talked about earlier have a deadline and then a few just a quick snippet about our our state works we have statute title twenty which defines organizations as allows for the establishment of an emergency response and planning with vermont it does call for an emergency management director to be appointed in usually done a town meeting ok the state statue how does that help us here this helps you because emergency management has the resources to provide assistance  at the town level it reduces the amount of costs for a lot of things that otherwise might be might be difficult to arrive at a little bit more about management director so that management director drawbar the emergency management team what's the roles where they need to do well those four things we talked about were responding mitigating recovering preparedness that's kind of the front charge but their stuff in between that we have to do so monitoring what would monitoring be doing what are we doing tomorrow what are we watching so we're monitoring we're monitoring to see  you know are we just in tune with what's going on so big snowstorm down south is going to get hit pretty hard there talking two feet in southern new england back to i think forty six got floods all the time but it you know is going to flood more than usual coordination at the point where in the preparedness side we're doing a lot of coordination talking a little bit about casting a wide net on putting a  management team together and part of that is coordinating so is the school principal talking to the fire chief and the police chief making sure that his mandated school plan also integrates one of the the bigger challenges for the overall death disaster response we know we can't that all hazards list's we know we can't be ready for all of it but we know just like and this is such a great idea  to get people together because we know that we can't solve everything but if we know everyone we know how we're surrounding them and we know what's coming to the table that's a huge chunk of the solution down here supporting and assisting  working with the community now remember we're talking about well how's a town we're going to focus on getting around disaster response will be a component of that is also how are we going to work with the community what about community preparedness you have a a family preparedness book which is kind of our front end tool that allows you to to get out and get families to be that you know the three day ready for three days if an a disaster were to occur if there are only ready for one that means the amount of resources we need to provide assistance goes way up if they need it recovery in educating there's a lot of education it's tied to that family fairness book is one of them but that's those are things that we have to consider collectively as a group so that emergency management director manual is there that is also available online at our emergency management website our website is changing so it might be google or searched of vermont part of public safety you can get to the emergency management side and that is under the training in emergency management director side of things so this manual on its course as we get into training is a program we'd be happy to to put on here and there several bob and i were talking there several things that we want to offer as as we go through the year here to make to make it  the most preparedness that we can can do to be a very and that's going to be a very significant event but so you can have a deadline that you're looking at as to get organized around the emergency management side the plan is important  no matter what the equation is this is a front in fact this was a front in fact of irene and every single other disaster federal disaster that we've had at the local community level  got the lion's share of the responsibility and in a way you don't want it any different because no one knows how to your town better than you if your you have pending floods the road foreman here she knows exactly where it's going to be they know where the weak points are in the town where the potential impacts are but this is something always to remember because even if there are resources coming in the solution still rests very much at the local level so where do you start well will towards the end i thought we could we could do a little bit of inventory of what you have we suggest to fund an emergency management directors in a lot of communities is to first assemble planning team within your municipality where you are that's a great excellent first step we always recommend casting a wide net and i know this is our for our first meeting but involve absolutely as many people as you can each town first you go to this map goes out you have a river that's a hazard what are you going to do with it so then the risk assessment which follows is simply asking the question how likely is it to be a problem  and again that's a very much a local assessment kind of decision and so based on the hazards and how risks risky the problems are that's where you start to get it's really like pre planning a building in a way you have to try out what your choices are going to be based on what the hazard is and how risky it is from there you ask the question well what are we going to do about it how many resources can we throw at it well we have three cruisers two engines for highway trucks what's that equation one is that look like that is your capacity to respond to the event so understanding the resources also has to do with people power and the kind of expertise you also have found hand for an event so and one of the first things he did when irene came through actually the night before he lined up private contractors and he said can you stay here and commit to help with grafton for we would so even rolled out and they had a lot of washouts more than they had ever envisioned but he told the had occurred in grafton was that he said if you commit to working in grafton i will guarantee you'll be paid every friday and  they said ok so he was able to have captive assistance from the contractors for the duration of the emergency recovery other stories were certainly not that that simple a lot of towns would reach out to contractors and they would come in do the job and they didn't know if they could be paid those sorts of things they follow the money and they went to the next event so it was that kind of creative creativ y that really made a significant difference against something in that planning phase that you can reach out to all of your contractors and say in the event of x y or z can you be prepared can you be on can we have a mutual aid agreement in a way and agreement that we can have a contractual relationship to provide assistance hours in this amount of fuel trucks this sort of thing x number of dollars what who authorized this we just needed it what was the process did you have this like   and that sort of stuff that kind of thing doesn't actually work out so the mutual aid agreement concept is not just within the emergency services because that's actually pretty well developed this is between towns and how can we have different assistance agreements so that again when the event rolls out is the last time you want is the not the time to be figure out how are we going to sort of figure out the quick agreement or do we need to find this lek board at two a m ones on the cation we have to convene we have to have a quorum all those sorts of things are not the time to figure out when we got to get emergency resources to a system down so mutual aid agreements a key thing that as a group is one of the elements that that you really want to work on examples of critical infrastructure we talked about you know within richmond these were used just as to point out things where there might be a large population centers you may absorb a population from another town doing an evacuation or things like that  but you're critical infrastructure all those sorts of things that make the town work one of the things that kind of is quietly down here we look at sort of these are resource providing places or mass gathering kinds of things what happens if the town clerk's office gets washed out you can't generate tax income you can't figure out how to pay the town employees all of those sorts of things is there a continuity of operations we call it coop plan in the event that there was a significant washout more town was hit very heavily during irene and they had big time coop issues but you want to work on as a town manager want to make sure that there's alternat backups and all those sorts of things of your capacity to relocate and also sort of set up temporary shop somewhere else because the train is derailed here in the center of town and  we have to evacuate for half a mile for a couple days other examples of we look sort of the snapshot of of our state there's a lot of power plants and various things in the chief and talked about them we have to do with a a registration program for all the state hazardous materials any private company  and even the public sector ones have to register hazardous materials so we have and it's even more than twenty three hundred reported chemical storage facilities that are out there we have fourteen hospitals if we lose a hospital our state it's a very significant thing because we they are very strategic in terms of their of ill ability we don't have sort of a trauma center around every corner because it's for modern it's world so these questions are again what's that critical infrastructure for richmond what are those those critical things that we have to look at in terms of a a disaster happening and the one thing that i really taught us we had all these sorts of plans and various things of we had what we call pod plans moderately points of distribution they were you sort of seen them sometimes down in the southern states with fimo where one can drive to a certain area they can get their bunch of ice there bunch of water all tidy they go through and through and it all works there's this distribution thing in the event that there's a large scale disaster we have a bad plan it's all mapped out it's all figured out we did a drill about five years ago for parts of the state with all tidy everything was great so you said so i came along but the problem with irene was thin as you couldn't get there it was simple you know who would have thought but i was talking with the head of the national weather service who came up here for a conference and he had just said from on is you know it's a very interesting state because no it's not tropical but if you look at the equal kind of tropical area where they have mudslides and washouts all the time you have honduras all you have to do is change the vegetation you have the same thing that occurred down there that happened here so irene taught us that you know you couldn't get there from here and that was a huge challenge t pod plans weren't available we ended up airlifting supplies out of the national guard base and cole tester but these are sorts of things maybe it's not a washout but again like we had we've already talked about richmond can simply be cut off yeah yeah so it means and that can happen doesn't take a whole lot to do that kind of middle and they started leaking by has just materials response that's roughly a half mile evacuation zone that would include border hospital most of middlebury college those sorts of things and that was just one fall afternoon there was no big claim in a storm or anything like that so again issues that is a team here we want to plot out we talk about the resources there's a lot of resources out there our job again is to figure out how to get resources on the books make sure that you know as as we look at it at the richmond bennett point that you maximize all the resource opportunities you have here often again the local solution is a better one it's faster and often a lot more ingenious but at the state level we have access to resources so as you are in the middle of managing the disaster our job is to get you the assistance that you request we work for you and that's why when we talk a lot about emerging is we know how to do speak to the feds and we know how to speak state and all that sort of stuff so  that's not something that you want to spend your time doing it if we can do it for you at the state level so policy on zero from the chain account to regional planning commission i asked him to come here tonight  because our regional planning commissions are very involved in planning an emergency planning the contact point for that so as you look at that and you need maps and things like that he has a lot of ideas and access to those sorts of things so he didn't realize i was going to say that but that's good so the regional plan commissions are of very helpful and a real big partner of  y management in in reaching out to communities and providing assistance so those are the ones around the state counties for here obviously so the basic emergency operations plan the we get enough national weather service radar data and information from then we'll go right here talk to the emergency management director friend in contact point say we have some flash flooding issues that may come your way  just talking about understanding a basic emergency operations plan make sure it's a community effort to build it don't hire the contractor to little up at the desk and say ok here someone sign off on it because what ends up  but there is a role in this relationship from the federal and state and local levels that's defined in that it's important to talk about exercises are component of emergency management the homeland security but this again this large cap to one in two thousand and fourteen march of two thousand and fourteen is something that's a real it's a real good goal for richmond to look at so exercising the plan yet exists on paper but unless the other part that's important to talk about is the human dynamic disaster response and one of the great programs that's going on with the red cross is their shelter an issue so we have the red cross here tonight just to give a quick overview of the shelter initiative and what that means to richmond richmond can be part of it and how the economics of it are are pretty good that can be easily but it's on the radar something that you know was certainly worth looking at we just have a few more slides that we want to talk about and then i thought we could maybe take a short break and then we just want to come back and do a quick brainstorming session but that often isn't a big cash why because when the opens you can draw are from existing resources you have you can bring in computers you can bring in paper you can bring in different kinds of things you already have as a resource in town the other part is understand the incident command system will talk about training in just a minute but incident command system is nothing more than management language it's not anything sort of difficult but it is the way that the overall the response organization certainly use it but in the disaster response kinds of things it's how we get organized around allocating resources and better disaster response the other part  always worth mentioning is as you craft you know in embellish what you already have in place make sure it's just reasonable and sustainable so don't say things like we're going to have ten people at the i c s four hundred level which is the highest level and they will be ready all the time that's not sustainable it's not practical you have to make sure that you're in the number of resources you have you're also very factual about that we only have a certain number of road crew trucks and those sorts of things because that equates into when you have thresholds to request assistance so make sure it's just a sustainable and logical structure that fits for what you can do there's a whole bunch of different training opportunities out there there's independent study training opportunities so that it's not another night out we can talk about those more as we get down into the future meetings but there are also a whole range of different agencies but also just look to what you have in town as well fire chief uses incident command system all the time every response there's always an incident commander every response here she knows that well so that maybe something that works is a local solution but if you want to get into talking about mitigation in the various things like that there are other trainings that are available we do have a dedicated emergency training calendar for the state that can be accessed in v t emergency training dot org so if you're looking for an opportunity within the county within a nearby that might be something interesting that can help you as part of the process you can look at it there the incident command system is a an important thing as you get a planning group or some group team together you want to do some level of that there is no cost there is a point of april of two thousand and eleven the workbook again we talked about a little bit it's a great outreach we're talking about for getting a planning team together but the other element of that is getting out and reaching out to the citizenry for more prepared us more preparedness thinking like brant was saying you know we've talked about the seventy two hours of preparedness this guide talks about it's a great guide to get into the schools because the kids will take it home and asked do we have a three day play or do we have a communications plan some of the similar stuff everyone has cell phones until the cell phones don't work go on how do we stay in touch what are the alternate sites for meeting during an event those sorts of things so the preparedness guide is a free tool we can send richmond cases of them i have a case for you tonight factor in the last few slides i didn't want to talk about the state emergency operations plan now because you have to know it but there is a great relationship that has been crafted into it that it really has a local there are what we call functional myths and it's a way of tying in cross disciplines that before we had this organize and this was in the early two thousand and two two thousand and three that this sort of an those sorts of thing really was an organized each time it was like you're building it for the first time so the operations plan is really defined now and gotten organized around all of these hazards so that when we have to pursue an event and that includes an opportunity at the local level we're now much more organized so we now have a state we call support functions and we have fourteen of them which the feds call them back on if we drew that kind of graft it all out to some finally makes sense each of the jobs if you will for disaster response is now kind of organize there's a local transportation problem and richmond is washed out and you've got to get more resources and you call the stadio see or or there's a request for resources that's not going to be handed around for someone to find what do we do that's going to go right to the transportation representative so it's really just simply stratified how we get more resources out so as a suggestion as you work into your emergency operations plan maybe an ill see and how you sort of surround that maybe you define you don't mean necessarily fourteen that's kind of could be a lot for for most towns but you could define the specific roles within your emergency operations center that would so the idea is again you practice that as part of your disaster response so when a real event happens you're your guys about this you are hunting around for the solution is the main point we're just to spend our last couple slides  on some of the electronic stuff that can be of direct assistance to richmond and one of the big shining stars of that is what we call disaster land which is a computer problem program that really is our virtual emergency operations center that we have a lot of people involved in bob is that again the primary author of it so he's just going to keep speak for a couple minutes talking about what disaster plan is and what it beforehand the effective response is about organizing for that being prepared getting the those key planning practices together and getting organized around it again we are going to be able to find every hazard  know what to do but if we are collectively doing it frequently as a group it goes ten times better the recovery side is the consequence the start of the consequence management the crisis is a side and here we have the small wind storm that hit richmond was supposed to be actually it was late in the winter everyone was kind of had enough of winter and there was going to be a reasonable snow storm come through rutland it turned out to not so many trees down it was just an astounding amount of damage that occurred we continue to have different kind of events that occurred this is not irene this was earlier concerned when he has a roadblock it's because he can't get fire police or you miss access armored and services so when the national guard is activated during a state the declared state of emergency there is that they are looking at short term recovery they need to restore roads back to passable emergency access they have needed before they cannot compete with private industry but they are in it for the short term restoration of vital resources on the the long term is to get us back to how things were pre disaster conditions so if we assign the time to that that could be maybe weeks but more like months and in terms of i mean it could be a no name or we're starting to  round out a lot of the grant kind of stuff but we still got a lot of damage that's being repaired will be a year or two so there's these phases the resource needs on a town in the trough on the recovery phase is often substance a lot of that has to do with the paperwork and the process and dedicating a full time equivalent job to the recovery side that otherwise would be managing some other  component of day to day town kind of operations so the recovery phase i'm often is very resource heavy the recovery side really lives starts really about here because we're we're recovering at the point that there's a front end response and we're trying to get back to pre existing conditions so we're going to round out the night talking about transitioning from a few things that do that damage assessment we talked briefly about it earlier about actually capturing the numbers what's the true damage and there's differentiation between public damage and individual personal homeowner for example damage to different mechanisms for federal systems so and often one for the individual assistance is often much more complicated to qualify for than the public  infrastructure damage so public would be municipal buildings publicly owned buildings roads bridges those sorts of things are are often the more easier things to get assistance  resource personnel resource heavy disaster assistance and there are a few more different elements to that there's recovery and recovery planning worrying kind of what's recovery mode still at the state level but there's all sorts of different different things on the federal and state level that involve these elements and these are things that we need to explore evening certainly doesn't even do it justice and the mitigation quite a project so medication is any action to reduce or eliminate the long term risk down in florida in the hurricane prone states you know they build the stronger buildings make them more hurricane resistance well in vermont that translates into stronger roads stronger bridges and those sorts of things there are a significant amount of federal dollars that are available to take on mitigation projects so that relocating buildings and various things outside of flood plains or rebuilding and those sorts of things more a stronger to survive the hundred year the two hundred year flood the way these a lot of these things are measured is that they do have these projected hundred two hundred year flood kinds