judge's adverse credible credibility findings were a speculative thing conjectural then it has to reverse the decision remaining taining and have maintained throughout the course of this litigation that the findings of the judge were indeed speculative conjectural this case really highlights the problems of trying to litigate what happened in an asylum interview in the immigration court we have a him and his assessment but he admitted upfront that he had absolutely no recollection of the the asylum interview which are taking place three years prior and as a result we're left really with with a difficult situation and try to understand what went on during that interview the officer admitted during his testimony that he may not have recorded everything properly and accurately and so we're le this this incomplete record of what happened then but this this is the events that the officer testified to as happening during the asylum interview is principally what the judge based the adverse please the court my name is james grimes and i represent the attorney general this immigration average credibility case presented circumstance in which the average credibility term nation is not based solely on the aliens discrepant testimony but it's also the the national league for democracy and he testified that he was a page to thirty six a very important person in that party and he detail what he claimed were his efforts in raising money for the party and recruiting and the trust that was opposing him by the authentic card but there's a later version how that hurts his credibility it's a stroke since the since the members were given a newer car that he was not in fact a member or was not involved at the end all the way newer cars know this particular person does it i seriously doubt your so it's just a generalization that if you come in with your full name you won't be able to get it that's correct you are right so there's no conflict  if the person is wanted by the government and will not be allowed to board a departing aircraft if wanted by the government i think one forty five the record mr song the best i believe that's what it says of pages three  that he works as a medicine sales person which is why he said he got involved in protesting the government but the visa doesn't reflect that reflects a different job in the reason that's important is because his job as a medicine salesperson is why he time and when he was directly question about that of pages two thirty three to thirty four by the by the government counsel i first contradicted his asylum application say that his wife never took care of his business and then he  record the government is willing to let the students out with the understanding of the war believe the better it is for the government well i would say that that's certainly sounds different from what familiar with that that particular point was made from the ins resources information officer hundred five he's describing testimony about whether his wife runs a business or not that's important because he said that she at one point he said she ran a business because he came more involved in politics and he said she didn't run the business and he said she did there's the issue of the letter that he said that came from his nobody had heard of your client when they can that you're not talking about the fact that they asked people twelve years later in the in the n l d if they heard of this guy who was active in the n l d at the outset from eighty eight to ninety they were asking in the year two thousand when probably all the people who had been there at the time themselves really arrested or fled this is it's complete speculation i don't know how how the judge could have relied on such that information