short and sweet to the point it seems that dallas texas passed an ordinance that requires any vehicle that a police officer stops that cannot show proof of insurance to be it be to be towed by the city and car and put in a compound until the owner is able to show proof of insurance and pay the telling and storage space now one of the things that concerned me earlier this year was the well the thing about this is if you read down far enough you'll see that what happened is the intended result was achieved and that is that people who would be driving a vehicle with why without insurance they suddenly stopped doing that in other words they enforced the law and the law worked the number of events in which people were driving illicitly without insurance decreased or  what i'm thinking of is we have this fine piece of equipment and really what we need to do is look at using it appropriately and that is to identify vehicles which are an insured vehicles that  are not inspected vehicles that are not properly licensed exaggerate cetera et cetera and i believe that contrary to what our cheap told us earlier that there can be a very good redeeming benefit to this thing in terms of getting these people off our township roads i don't know if you heard the news today but an illegal driver somebody would suspend the driver's license hit a school bus in the four cherry school district after the fact if we would have apprehended him before i pulled him off the rope maybe that school bus would have never been hit fifteen kids went to the hospital but the point i'm trying to make is that if we had an ordinance in the township that required the police to tow and we could actually come up with a tow truck for the township tow these vehicles to an impound charge and two hundred dollars for the total fake and fifty dollars a day storage i think it would be quite quite a money gainer and out once word got out to peters township was in fact been forcing the loss a number of people which used to drive through our township without their car inspected without insurance without proper licensing that would subsequently be reduced and valid like insurance policy right if you cancel it right i don't think that that mean the state ultimately finds out that it was right what exactly my my experience has been that until they actually pull you up or write ask you for proof of and a lot of times police officer will have to bring me it within twenty four hours because they say left at home or what not yeah exactly so i would think that if he had access to the information he'd know right away yeah it sort of doesn't jive but i mean i might be a hundred percent wrong feel like well it's just a thought given the fact that i don't know that we've really churned up any business with this new system and a hundred thousand dollar device should be turning up some business and in my mind i mean edge this way i feel i  thank you thank you it represents about star wars about twenty percent maybe more just to clarify that to frank the there have been ongoing issues with the way the metering is because peter flows down and then jefferson and south park also contributed but they do it as a sort of subtraction basis and based on information peters creek kansas they seem to be overcharged on a routine basis to the point where jefferson hills potentially could be paying less and they should the other one of the other salient arguments or points is that a lot of the trouble that occurs with the system is down strain the downstream communities aren't compliant and peters creek has been compliant with everything that g p s been asking but whenever there's been a question about taps it's because of the activity south of our watershed well one thing that's going to happen from what they told us at the seminar is that no matter what happens the rates for the peters creek sanitary residents are going to go up it's a question of trying to control that so that we're not at the mercy of another authority where peter's creek doesn't have any representation on the board we have no control over what the rates are and as mike referred to the acquisition of the city a player ten sewer system which is really in bad shape is potentially going to be a very very large cost so peters creek is looking at it from a fiduciary with perspective of trying to come up with an alternative so that the residents aren't hurt as well as they could i would assume based on what i've we're going to deny this sport whether they will do that or not it's a question that based on what we learned at the meeting did you get the impression that the e p listen to it they didn't dismiss it out of hand they could see the merits of a particularly because peter's creek is potentially going to reduce nitrates and also get another reduction and there i and i certainly work was the the way it was residents that there are actually two sanitary authorities that serve peter's township fitters timeship sanitary authority contains only peter's township we don't share with anyone we're completely governing our own well the authorities governing their own race and everything else and there and the process of building the new plant that they're doing down there if you wanted to and are choosing me at the end you're ever going peter's creek service everything where the majority of things from bower hill and down the hill because of the gravity everything flows down and they're actually treated in allegheny county under clinton which is a unique situation and as frank said mr kerry said there are several communities that share that responsibility these other communities that are down flow from us why can't we go in the new like for example you know go to south park pursue you know summits further down and say well you know we'll do shop part will do we'll take would have more of a problem with that it was just regular in one community colleges and we the other thing that's concerning and based on what i was hard is that a lot of the issues with the taps and questions have been because of damaging communities with problems and if we eliminate that potentially small be in charge of our own tapster space i'm wondering if it would be wise to make approval and it seems like approval was logical thing to do but i'm wondering if it could be made provisional because i'm wondering theory on a slate if there is some sort of an alternative that could be worked out now i feel that the idea is great and you know what will form our own but if there's something else out there that might work without the big expenditure then i'm thinking maybe we need to examine it so no corner goes on on exam and thank you i think that not to speak for peter's creek but i think they've tried to look at the different options i don't as a monica mention down at the seminar workshop that it was drac in cinemas maryland attended i was there as well but this year the right analysis is in the five three seven billing that as mr sylvester had mentioned forty eight dollars to fifty six dollars per month on a far right regional alternative to is peter creek building their own sanitary sewer treatment plant those user rates forty four twenty five that does not include the city of claritin acquisition bob since this report on in that preliminary draft and the final plan was put on the street in august the terms if you will for the city of clairton acquisition were more not known at that point time  d thirteen dollars a month roughly on top of that so there in lies on top an answer to the question that was posed as well as the big question that was posed from on the gentleman in the audience it has been a long ago she ation there is a significant amount of sewage treatment capacity that's needed in that watershed whether it's  to or whether it's for on the regional alternative to which is the peters creek community there is going to be large expenditures in terms of sewage treatment jason could you talk about the funding just briefly that might address that question to how would it be funded primarily through a lot of the lead funding agency which is penned best and that would be the authority not the township that would be the authority correct would do that we have the right to increase the bonding after the first year based on inflation and we would when we would look to do that i'm going to move that we we grant the extension farms where street wearing surface until the end of the next paving season two thousand and twelve i subject to an inflationary capacity of the current tax is inadequate as we have developed we have more and more usage of the diesel which is a very small tank and we need basically upgrade a size of both of them from the standpoint of being able to cover our needs gratian district and so they're just cast as they have in the past they're just asking for a letter of support that would be similar to other writers that they're getting from other agencies and and and request and that we prove resolution ten three eleven and resolution ten four alive in which or in the requests from the which is significantly more than what we had anticipated we were expecting to get about two hundred ninety five thousand so this is very close because very close to me carlene how money comes in and in this in the following year it will go back down to what it would be closer to a normal allocation and this allocation is for the police the labor and then it says being proposed and what we're doing we have a meeting scheduled on the eighteenth here to receive comments from the residents i would note that this plan basically does not include any great refresh everyone about the fact that we change recently the way these are accepted yes there were a number of changes are in the traffic calming plans happen to significant changes were a prioritizing we used to do in a store on a first come first serve basis now based on a combination of our speak volumes and some other traffic factors of them  off and and because of that vision this hill place actually jumped ahead mabel which was in earlier charge probably would have been number one of the coun ask is still who is going to be affected potentially as far as if people come forward who are denied their rights as a private citizen i mean as council  question from the county on friday afternoon and will be preparing the legal add that would have to go in the paper that legal ad will include both the question as well as the entire referendum and that the tire amendment allow us from the counties tell you we had to do the only thing i'm not sure they also have a english language version which i'm not sure that have to be included into the  procedures to get in if you are township ballot and then their own town council tries to be nice citizens the democratic process by sending their solicitor to court i was in court that day to see your m johnson taken to school by pitt law professor james little fellow the judge could even get past mr johnson's threshold issue showing you the weakness of his organ met in case what a waste of taxpayer dollars and one a poor example for students of democracy is this a fascist or democratic township the preamble to our one nine hundred seventy three peter statue of palmer charter states the system of be representative of and responsive to its citizens i think not you get your chance at the end that preamble further states it is or express purpose to establish an open government with the necessary flexibility to provide for or development of this community and protect the physical environment that we share isn't this about referees referendum specifically about protecting the physical environment here i believe so the october november two thousand and eleven issue of in peter sound chip or township manager outlines his flawed interpretation of this bout referendum mr sylvester e presents this is being a zoning issue when it's actually a police powers issue since it's designed to protect the health safety and welfare of the community to be balanced  enjoyment of home and it goes on tell it your president should make a point of reading and considering the entire amendment before they vote i'm not recommending how anyone should vote but at same time  need to know that the wording on the in november eighth ballot regarding this referendum is very skewed it doesn't even mention a community bill of rights and trains about issues in an extremely biased manner restrictions like you're forty eight the rule or the ones that will land you in court spent communities like south fayette who tried to regulate drilling that have gotten sued prohibiting fracking is a clear legal distinction for attempting to regulate it from the four local communities including the city of pittsburgh that have passed the same committee bill of rights nine has been s from the heinz foundation that we were a ward of the last i community groups of the grant to do the study on looking at alternative fuels specifically natural gas for their workshop for monday what are we talking about getting our fees for for engineering professional services labor construe consulting engineer gateway for me as an t i have some concerns because the principle for the traffic calming for a change associated to doing now isn't that a fairly hefty hourly rate so perhaps we need to negotiate something else