ok thank you welcome to the fox for going to selections meeting tuesday march thirteenth two thousand and twelve our agenda tonight starts as usual with citizens input followed by a hearing on the piccadilly pub all alcohol restaurant license seven thirty we have a public hearing on the new england revolution two thousand and twelve soccer season seven forty five randy scholars will review with us the von refunding and a vote to adopt the von refunding at eight o'clock the town manager in the finance director will update us on the overtime project and he twenty the rain brewing police chief will larry will update us on the look a license regulations working on at eight forty five the town manager who it says on here reviewing approving his goals and objectives but i think that's been postponed to the next director and then we have a discussion with the water and sewer commission is and i think some of this is going to be done in open session and some of may be done in private session but since there's been enough issues in the newspaper and enough comments i'd like to try to do as much as that much of that in the public as possible so the public is aware of the discussions in between all of that will do action items and i'd like to start with the pledge of allegiance  input do we have any fillip you want to come up first and state your name and address for the record please even if we know you talk a little bit about talking about as a form of water and sewer commissioner and talking about a water rate payer in town ok as a form of water and sewer commissioner i'm concerned about walking away from a long term issue that has been mutually beneficial to both parties out of that hotness ship which started in one nine hundred ninety nine and this been won by a couple of times a lot of people talk about two thousand and seven modification but out of that long term pressure district scuse me there's a water pressure district on route one that benefits not only the way but also all uses up on the route one area which was something that was bottle of water and so as mentioned by the planning board and by the planning director to increase water safety in that that area for water pressure also there's a review system that was implemented up there for the stadium and for the e p a area this benefits that because when the patriots have does not impact the water pressure for everyone else because they're using reuse water for a good chunk of their water use up their other than drinking other than drinking correct that's why it's not a good one it was an ideal use it was something where the board of water and sort commission has worked with the with the patriots organization and it was an added cost to them they had to put had to put in as you well know jim they had to put in two sets of piping they had the lot of work to get that done but it was a it was an accomplishment but both parties also out of that two thousand and seven agreement the water enterprise account was getting approximately two hundred thousand dollars a year in revenue going into the capital account and also there was an option for wastewater related infrastructure that has been estimated to be valued from seven to ten million dollars these were all part of an agreement in a modified agreement that started in one nine hundred ninety nine and that p grew and it was mutually beneficial to the patriots as well as town so i think it's important just to remind everybody that this package if it be a shame that we walk away from that i also want to point out that the two thousand seven agreement was signed under the advice and consent of town council and it was reviewed and supported by multiple boards in town so it wasn't just one board unilaterally signing an agreement it was a public process and it was vetted and it was overwhelmingly supported by boards and committees in town i'm going to switch hats and talk about a water rate payer i'm really deeply concerned about the loss in two hundred thousand dollars of revenue going into the water enterprise account of capital as a rate payer i'm concerned we're bringing on the old stuff we have potentially bringing on the oak street want a treatment facility that's going to cost over seven million dollars and i'm concerned that one of the long term impacts of losing that two hundred thousand dollars a year in revenue that was going into the water enterprise so in closing i just want to say that i think that you really should look at all the aspects of this long term agreement that has been mutually beneficial it's not one sided it's  beneficial agreement i don't look at it as a contract i look at it as a an agreement that is ongoing so i really strongly recommend you consider all these facts when you meet later on tonight and talk about this thank you thank you so before you go could you elaborate on the two hundred thousand dollar loss that you're talking about because a lot of people when i was on when i was in the water sort commission there was approximately one hundred seventy to one hundred eighty thousand dollars coming into the water enterprise account from the signage revenue plus there was twenty five thousand dollars put aside for escrow for the maintenance of the water tower on route one so as i was saying you know if this is money that was coming in that rate payers in the town did not have to pay that this was going  talk capital fund for water enterprise capital programs and something that didn't exist before the one nine hundred ninety nine agreement you create it even though you've been subject to criticism by some people who will talk about that later at nine o'clock the point is you created value for the town while some people may have thought it could have been more the point is we've received a significant amount of money so if you want to stay around we'd like to have like to hear you at nine o'clock when we talk about this i wasn't sure i will i thought you were about an episode of p b s frontline the deal with the news you know gambling industry in the united states titled easy money i began to try to find it to prove to be very difficult for a written transcript it wasn't even available on the p b s website york through the interlibrary loan network also proved fruitless advance internet searches were also unsuccessful until i was finally able to locate a copy more than three thousand miles away in the hands of the village video dealer in washington state i was able to secure that the plans to do with fifty dollars these all to v h s tapes can deteriorate quickly with the end of the conservator i was able to trim it onto a d v d d c s and stabilize it it turned out to be well worth the effort is an extremely well done and informative documentary that should be of interest to anyone who wants to learn more about the growth of the gambling industry in this country i'm sure that there are many many people here foxborough who would be especially interested in seeing it and would benefit from the information contained in it for example it contains an interview with the infamous lefty rosenthal character who is played in the movie by robert de niro i think that most people will find what he has to say to be remarkably insightful  this is an excellent p b s educational program that could prove very valuable to anyone who feels that they'd like to know more about the difficult issues that are community faces i hope to hear from anyone who might have any ideas as to how it could be shared with other members of the community perhaps it could be aired on the local cable channel or presented in groups or whatever venue or venue with people so all the forty hearing from anyone who might have any suggestions to make about ways to share this also if you or anyone watching go would like to view what i'd be and there are no sure plans in any event there are looking at options because the company has its growth concerns you know it's a cyclical industry right now so like all businesses they're looking at the future but there's nothing imminent in terms of them leaving foxborough i think that's an unfortunate rumor but i would say there's any substance to that or certainly nothing that's going to happen in the near future were to happen  know they've got a large sum of money over a million dollars on deposit for the use of the residents of the area to expend in mitigation efforts research etc and the group my understanding has been very proactive and in doing that and in terms of invensys is responsibility to continue to undertake mitigation efforts as directed by the state there is no escaping that responsibility irrespective of the physical location of the company and in fact  invensys has been very responsible to date there is some disagreement and that's you know part of the process but in terms of living up to their responsibilities they have been responsible corporate  players in every way would have done everything the state has asked them to do s not on the stability of the company other staying but on the clean up and the efforts in the testing and monitoring i had to d p level and to reiterate what kevin had said they are committed to following through with the d p process and i think the next step is over the next five years but there's no indication that they were going to be remiss on any of that i think there's a lot of from a mystery i think there's a lot of rumors out there on but you know in terms of there being any substance to them of there being anything imminent it does just not the case could be the case that some day they might sure like it like a corporate history of every business who knows but in terms of anything being imminent and i would say that's absolutely not the case thank you ron anybody else yes  and in most towns i've been doing trash contracts for other towns my family's own trash because i want to a life and most of the times by april first second week in april usually know your contracts ahead of time go get the trucks you gotta get blinded in this stuff and i just you know i want to make sure that we're not with all the major subjects in town that this is a slide through the cracks and you know i know that a lot of people in town  have mentioned you know such a large company as waste management might not be the way that we want to go and you know as we get down the end if we wait too long they might be one of the only companies that could provide the trucks at such a last minute if we don't get the ball rolling on that so i just want to make sure that we understand the importance of that and you know it's going to be july first before we know it so a j let's ask the man is in charge of the procurement for the town let me ask through the ch r we've spoken before you are a potential bidder of proposer are not correct and that raises a bit of an issue in terms of having a discussion with you because one of the requirements tell us what the time line is  negotiation with several companies and see what they can produce and who decides who these sort of certain companies are going to be the chief officer that's myself so in cooperation with the board of health because the board of health has a licensing function under the statute they license awful oh f f a l haulers and so it's a mutual discussion between myself and the board in order to determine exactly what the specifications will look like so i mean as a as a resident and a business owner someone who is definitely you know would like to bid on this there's no guarantees that i would even be able to bid on it is that where we're going with this if it's a public meeting of thirty be procuring an invitation for a bit of a request for proposals and that would be a public bid that would be up that would be open to you and anyone else if it's a negotiated settlement then it would be open only to those that are right i notify the board that they had purchased the company taken over the bank ok can i get would you state your name and address for the record please test fire i'm director of project administration for the craft group one patriot place in foxboro james cobra general counsel for the craft group one patriot thank you mr chairman and members of the board as we noted in our letter to the town on march fifth we said we would be attending tonight's meeting to discuss and address our concerns related to the town's handling of the billboard advertising on our property on route one we are here in part because until last friday the town provided no responses to our correspondents on the minutes so you whatever work is best for you it's the chairman's froggatt of unless the board disagrees to take as much of the nine o'clock session in public so that there is total sunshine on all the issues and people understand the history they understand the minutes they understand what happened they understand the money the town might potentially lose it's that or so if that's what you really want to address do you mind waiting until we have that as a topic item and you can join us in that dialogue not at all if that's ok with you yes ok now  we actually have a public hearing scheduled for seven thirty which is the thing the revolution so let's try to get started if we could with the pick pick a delete public issue if we can't get through that in time for the  if there's any other citizens i'll take it later and i go because i got the hearings right so let me just ask the town manager to kind of kick this off if you would please share mr members of the board and why don't before i do that want to introduce the folks that are here for mr member of the board we have i think i hope something worked out that i think will serve everyone's best interest but let me just quickly sketch the situation piccadilly pubs nine occasions in mass closer to including the one in foxboro a few weeks ago and as i think everybody heard they rent or lease the property in which they're located they don't own it now at the time that they close their doors they all the amount of money in a variety of different situations real estate taxes personal property taxes want to build that sort of so the in the ordinary course when a unfortunate reality when the licensing authority causes the license to be revoked or surrendered is in the case where there is money still owed to us if you really diminish the chances that we're going to get that money because the license makes the real estate a lot more valuable obviously so generally speaking what towns try to do is they try to work out a deal with the former license holder and or the land owner in this case and usually it's the same entity in this case it's two entities but we try to work something else so that the taxpayers are made whole i e we get the back taxes owed us and we don't destroy the ability of the landowner to attract a viable tenant for that building to continue in business because at the end of the day paying the future taxes employing local citizens having it be economically vital  all dependent upon continuing to hold a look a license for that location so the what we've been doing over the past few days through council council for the landowner is having a series of conversations and i'm very happy to report to the board that this morning a check arrived here i could just see that lou the most checked arrived here in the amount of certified bank check any of thirteen thousand one hundred ninety nine dollars and nine cents two thousand four hundred eighty dollars and seventy four cents for payment of all outstanding f y eleven and fiscal twelve personal property taxes six hundred thirty eight sixty five for payment of f y twelve third quarter real estate taxes and ten thousand to apply to outstanding water bills and that did not pay it all off but it paid most of it their offer to the  town to remit the remaining twenty on thousand which is a combination of a number of things is that they would pay that out over the course of the next sixty days and in exchange for that they would ask the board for a  for permission to continue the license to not revoke it for six months to allow them to secure a new tenant have the business become vital again and contribute to the economy of the town and become a tax paying entity once again and so having and i would endorse and recommend that arrangement to you but subject to special councils comment on it and verification from council for the landowner that indeed they do pledge to that so just a quick question for you and this is just procedural so the liquor license is held by the defunct a business it stays where it is all right so it would stay with the business that's no longer in business or work and why would it do that well what risk do we run having a defunct company with a liquor license well they can't do anything with it without your approval anyway so when it company stops doing business the way the piccadilly pub did you have the option of cancelling their license or trying to find the best place for it to lay and sometimes giving them time is the best way for it to land they can even reopen without your profession as it stands now and basically what i've been told they're not going to reopen so they'll stay closed until the landlords able negotiate with the new tenant and somehow effectuate a transfer a license which may not be easy because they can have to satisfy the department of revenue department of employment security and probably look at wholesale as you know to transfer the license and that's kind of what i was getting at is if you've got a defunct business that has the license they're usually defunct for a whole lot of reasons looting they are whole lot of people money correct including the state and how difficult is it going to be is it easier than i was as it was it is easier to take it back now as a town and give it to a potential applicant who rents it or is it better off to leave it as it is and then deal with the problems in six months or three months with the state and everyone else with a sperm what i've heard so far they get better off leaving it where it is because i think someone will pay for their license and that money can go to pay your bills the state whoever and i i think if you take it back any outlook you can come and apply for it you have to hold a hearing you have to ask and they get it for i think two thousand dollars that you know so that probably does assault anyone's problem ok in either case where there was a you take the license and then the owner of the property has to try to sell it and say to the potential tenant look you can file for a license application well what do you let it stay with them and they were able to say to a potential t you have to follow a transfer application either way as a licensing authority you're in the driver's seat because you have to determine the appropriateness of the manager the appropriateness of the owner and all i sort of thing but from a project point of view from a business point of view  and i think we want to try to be good business partners it's a little bit easier i would say to hold out to potential tonnage or transfer application versus a new license application plus it avoids the dilemma if the licenses is physically taken and someone else applies for it now would you do say no which is a little bit dicey and you avoid all that  comes i want to expand what you just said so the folks at home know we have a memo in our package from the person owns the building who started the restaurant years ago and he talks about what he did to create the chain and the success of the chain and then in an effort to retire early sold the chain kept the real estate and unfortunately the folks that he sold it to didn't do as well as he did and now we have we are today so he has put his heart and soul into building the business and he has come forward with what the cash and as i understand it this is this is cash that wasn't due from him it was actually due from the business it was oh he's right he's making the town hall and hopefully he's going to use the license to make himself whole and create a business again i mean if it's if it stays empty we lose our property taxes we lose our jobs if we can attract the right business and it can be successful then it has positive ok anything else linda no thanks all right i agree i think leaving the liquor license associated with the business itself makes the most sense because you know certainly you have a much faster turnover of the business itself just one question if for some reason at that sixty question is we've got a small history in the town about this larry is that we've notified one person it's a liquor license it's not a serving life that if he doesn't thought we're going to give them right now that's it so i just make the record i'll go with the sixty days from now and i would suggest that we put it on the on the agenda deal of money by the time he's done a lot probably in excess of thirty thousand dollars he doesn't owe us not money the sole reason he's doing it is because he wants to find another tenant for the building so he can make good his losses presumably  town's interest is twofold a getting our taxes paid be ensuring that there's an economic into t out there that's providing jobs and income in future taxes i would just encourage the board if it's your intent to review it in in sixty days to make it clear that it isn't your intent in sixty days to get your money your thirty grand and yank the license because hey that would be a sorry way for us to partner with the business community would send a very propitious message for the future and be realistically i don't think council can correct me but i don't think we can realistically expect we'll find a new tenant in sixty days so if you're not going to give them a longer rope of six months or three months or four months or whatever i would hope the board make it clear that your intent is just to review it in sixty days not take any definitive action that is my my intent is exactly  rapidly so can i can i ask you a question because what bothers me this is the second restaurant that is old significant  don't need to talk about the other restaurant that has been behind in the high and they catch up and they fall behind and they catch up and they fall behind here you said ten thousand dollars more in outstanding water bills so it just raises a question in my mind i mean are they generally are they using six thousand dollars a month or some we allowing businesses to go three months six months twelve months without paying water before we do something i mean this you know again it's water and sewer issue it's not a board of selectmen issue but i do think that since it's at our table at this particular point we don't see the delinquencies but we see it when it when it comes when our restaurants in trouble it always seems to come through you to us and water always seems to be a big part of it so could you comment at all can take action on the license permit permission of any type and generally speaking we're very aggressive on that so we have very very few in it is that all of us taxes for more than that one year period  inside the one year window there's frankly not a lot we can do we put interest on it in the in the rates so usurious but some people don't have an option but inside of one year there's not a lot we can do in terms of licensing once it becomes of overdue water bills i think it's needed desperately and in fact i've spoken with the want to sue a commission and they agree that something has to be done historically baton isn't done a very good job of that and we've got a number in a re i've seen some pretty fantastic numbers in terms of overdue want to sue it charges it's on the radar screen i can tell you that they'll be here later tonight on a different subject you know if you want to travel in for minute about it and they knew deep you know the director this is one of his highest priorities is to develop a policy where they become much more aggressive with collections right now the overdue collection effort is not as good as it should be they've there we also have the mechanism where will we water so if it doesn't get paid it gets lead on to the real estate bill so we will get paid we which is usually a year out that's the process but it will get lean so we will collect it and it will be before we finally recoup our losses the public utilities have a far more effective mechanism to never let it get to that point before we have to leave it and go through tax on proceedings it's not currently being used as effectively as i'd like to see again it's not it's not the product of our board but it's come up several times i don't think it's fair to other businesses i don't think it's fair to the homeowner so i just thought i would since you said ten thousand dollars and the other one seem to be in the neighborhood i thought i'd raise it one second ok ron  just let her finish and then i'll let you whatever you want to say julie processes the water leaves get billed on to the next tax bill so it's the tax lien process is separate so once we lean on the real estate bill the owner of the real estate is going to be responsible for that water so that if it doesn't get paid that it goes to tax lien which is a totally different process we'll get on that real estate though right and in this case the owners in both cases the owners i'm not aware of the water bill right but i guess what concerns me lisa his you have a building i'm making this up but you have a building with one hundred fifty thousand dollars that in today's markets worth one hundred thousand so you can lean it you can repossess it you can foreclose on it but at the end of the day the builder is going to set the owner's going to say there's not enough money to cover the bank and your lane what am i going to do and so we get paid first what do you want the bank for the see a property getting upside down when we're very very sensitized to that in this market we're very aggressive to advance the taking procedure so that the taxpayers don't get in a situation where the taxes exceed the value of the asset know the gentleman who built the business and control the site also stepped up and they actually bought the no against the building and they bought the security interest and the liquor license so they have shown a financial commitment to rescuing their huge investment they always own building it's worth a lot more you know as you know you've all been to the piccadilly pub i think you have it is a restaurant you would be unsuitable for anything else so they they have shown their financial commitment this is their dream i think they wanted to be on the golf course they're going to have to defer that for a while different facts marked in the in the package store this isn't where somebody is trying to keep a husk open and and sell it for a huge profit this is more of a rescue where a tenant feel good on these obligations and the landlord is just trying to bring it back up in the same place as a viable business and they're really extra extending themselves and willing to work with the town to do that so in terms of exactly what's happening in those two fact out and they're very distinct they are going to stand god but i just want to make it clear that you know the board wants to be back in approximately sixty days off i fully intend to recommend strongly that the client pay everything up by then but i will also anticipate that we'll be asking you for more time to actually continue to work with the tenant and move toward the transfer i think six months or twenty cassis mentioned that the license to be up for renewal in november to twelve that would sort of be our timeframe to try to find a new tenant so i want to be you know accurate about the amount of time that's likely to take they do have some work to do with the o r etc so we'll come back whenever you want to see us hopefully at that point the the arrearages are not an issue and we can provide a status on how we're doing the time so do we  international matches that part of the revolution game our revolution doubleheader it does not include any applications for standalone soccer games without the revolution will play for them right now our season ticket base is a slightly down but for the seventeen home games we expect about twelve thousand people on average two thousand of the seats are general the mission in the north end zone actual attendance is average about one thousand people in that section working on one international match that will be included with the revolution for august working on a double header with the revolution and may but not part of this part of the schedule currently  it will be in the open cup again with the revolution the only chance of a home game would be if they make it to the finals which will be an august like you past years of parking lots will be two hours prior to the to the game prices included in the in the ticket again we will not be using p ten a last week see the threshold to working with the cheap about fifteen thousand people club parking will be used to season ticket holders the only change from the previous season ticket holders as well as the bring in women health care patients we created more spaces for them in the west club seating again will be in the one hundred level east and west side lines opening up first both first eight rooms on the one hundred level  so will go to the fire chief first thing yeah we actually had a pretty successful year last year there was only two events where we actually came close to running out and points is one of the things we always had as had an extra ambush in staging but where we actually made the move to open up both sides and open up both medical rooms instead of having them bring another ambulance and to see how it would work out because we were in different disagreements and we that was our compromise we brought the employees out of staging up into that new that second medical room that we opened and only thing with the understanding from fallon am was that they would have another and one staging at the big y in walpole so by the time that we were needing a second ambulance if one was that won't happen this year i still agreed that the process worked out well that both sides were managed well and that we would go with a level to detail from the top book book that i have given you all of you just need to just didn't come to me i'm just saying is that the same level of what do you normally do for the revolution is  where this is all set i didn't expect oh no means i try to blindside anybody but yourself when you meet with them on friday would you just ask him that on behalf of the chair would like them to copy the patriot so that it creates the dialogue before it gets here so that when mark says relativists you guys can answer what you resolve instead of we'll talk about it on friday so i just passed out on top and the i said thank you james no very efficient and professional thank you i was questioning that because it didn't make any sense to me and what level winds so and i think i read it that they are just looking to be part of the subject to you know that we would be saying that are licensing these events ensuring that all the needs of the town foxboro and the public safety needs of the town of walpole are met in along the same lines of what we do a country fest not at that level of time whatever but how many years did you say we were a motion as a second by james any further discussion all in favor i oppose motion carries five zero things of what you think you know before we get to the no it's ok to the seven public civic monument and that beyond and broke bronze burt gassed memorial award in monument builders of not america for the two thousand and twelve design of our nine eleven memorial and  it won the national award for the foxboro never forget september eleventh memorial thing and just it's a great on a for all of those folks that put their time and effort into it i just want to recognize them for that believe still trying to get the yeah i tracked down for the n f l so now in fact jonathan was so impressed that the following week which was a home game he went to cable and got part of the video ceremony and he played it up on the on the  so that the audience could see what foxboro was done so i know that they were quite impressed with the the work that the mitchells and and the folks that work with them did to to accomplish this it's quite an accomplishment ok so process for refunding of about five point four million dollars and previously issued bonds they were four there were three different bonds but for six different purposes they were related to the mill street land acquisition for the senior center for the landfill capping one of the issues related to the occurrence cool water pressure district and the water use system and the original bonds had anywhere from six to twelve years remaining on their maturities and the newly proposed  restructured consolidated bonds a single bond does not extend to maturities and tracks to the original amortization schedule pretty closely the refunding offering received five bids ranging from one point an effective rate of one l c their company been around a long time hundred eighty years and they had a little bit of one point three five four other bidders included roosevelt cross piper jaffrey robert baird fidelity it's only five bids he again this isn't such a this isn't a big offering in the marketplace you know five million dollars it's not huge of a track lot of attention but we're happy to get the five and the great rate of the net interest savings to the town is over seven hundred thirteen thousand dollars and it's important to note that it accrues to three different areas there is included debt which is the debt service that is included within the general fund budget it's not supported not supported by exclud taxes so the savings that are that accrues to within the budget is just under one hundred thirty four thousand dollars in budgetary savings from f y thirteen throughout for twenty four and we've already assume the seven eight hundred dollars savings that would accrue to the general fund budget next fiscal year on the excluded debt side more savings just under two hundred forty five thousand dollars in direct tax payer savings again on excluded debt over f y thirteen f y twenty two that's twenty four thousand dollars of savings for the taxpayers for next fiscal year and then the biggest savings was actually on the water debt again because the bulk of the issue was related to water just under three hundred thirty five thousand dollars in savings that accrue to the water enterprise fund and therefore the water rate payers over f y thirteen have for twenty two and next year savings are ten thousand eight hundred dollars prior to the close of the bidding standard and poor's reaffirmed our bond rating of only higher rating is aaa with the money in the state having achieved that level of the credit rating alone you know what's that worth because that's what it's important to have a high rating for really to save on interest and what that was worth as it relates to this issue here was one hundred fifty refinancing over this year twelve all the way to twenty two or twenty four right how often can you do this for when was the last time you did that or you can you can only do it once per bond with my for that for the life of the life  can only do it once so you pick your shots you know carefully we've been looking at this studying it for about eighteen months you know there's been opportunities with the interest rate market the way it is is you know there's been plenty of opportunity to dive into the market but you know there was one issue that was was right you have to achieve a certain amount of savings otherwise the process is disqualified you go through the process incur all the costs and if you don't achieve a certain benchmark benchmark amount of net present value savings then you can't do  it so you have to you want to pick and choose your times very carefully so we were looking about eighteen months ago the savings that we were targeting was you know between one hundred two hundred thousand in the transaction costs are going to gobble up about a third of that so we thought let's wait for better times we've been watching it watching it and so finally that you know the market in january was this is really ripe and so so we went out with you know with everything that that we could and you know we were happy to do it we were targeting you know one and one and a half to one of three quarters year eighteen months six months you would look to refinance is one more that we're tracking in this the public safety blind it was on the margins for this offering here initially we had it in but because we did so well without one last time out there it was you know it going to be close so you know we don't want to jeopardize the whole offering because they bid on the whole offering and so we don't we don't want to jeopardize that so that's the next one to look at and hopefully in the next twelve months depending upon you know where interest rates go i know where the fed chairman wants to keep them but i will see with to see if the market keeps the r obviously saving the taxpayers and thirteen thousand is good any day that's a great accomplishment it's partly a product of the market being what it is but it's also a product of randy and his advisors the fighting back and sort of watching the market and understanding the propitious time to make a move and there hasn't been a better time to make a move in about seventy or eighty years so this is a this is as good a cape of good achievement however the real accomplishment here may be the fact that we retain the double a plus rating now there's only twenty towns in the state with a high rating the aaa is only fifteen so i want to throw in a sixty five cities and towns only thirty five have the rating that we've got everyone else is lower a bunch of those aaa get downgraded in fact my old community of good downgraded last year probably right about that a couple of the very affluent communities got downgraded so in this economy for a town to keep its double a plus rating is is also a stunning achievement in speech well to the times financial management everybody shares in that i keep saying this over and over and i'm not trying to blow any sm money is no but it is the reality that the very conservative financial management practices of this town which start with this board under your direction the leadership the advisory committee and randy and his staff produces this result and it should not be overlooked and it should not be underappreciated this is an outstanding achievement that not many cities or towns can claim these days so i just wanted to be sure that that got the proper highlight for the folks watching tonight at home and i hope frankel do something with this because this truly is a stunning achievement here folks and you know the tendency is because it's very technical in nature as we prove it we say a couple nice things and we move on but this is pretty outstanding stuff this is a big deal so congratulations thank you everybody comments rebutting the audience all right force moved to accept the form of vote as recommended by born council and further incorporate with written motion to this one said form of the vote authorization authorizes the board refunding so the good news in the bad news is this the bad news is it's not done yet the good news is it's drafted at long last it has been an enormous body of work and i think when you see the memo with all the attaching analyses that have been done you're going to appreciate it how extensive the work is done that's the fire the police because when we embarked on this we found out that it was a lot more work than we've ever anticipated if i had known i frankly probably would have said we're going to try to do this another year because this was just enormous but the fire one has drafted randy the fire chief and i are going to meet i think later this week and we're going to review the draft tighten up everything make sure it's all accurate and then i will be coming to you i hope early next week in written form and then the next agenda chairman willing and the schedule allows we would give the board the briefing now the good news further is that i think that there are some opportunities that we've discovered that we will put before you some of those involve your decisions some of those involve practice changes that the chief arrive can undertake but i think you're going to have a star all going in analysis of over time as you've ever seen and probably more than you  want so we're going to give you a very thorough briefing suggestion to the board maybe just to save us having to do this twice because it is going to be time consuming just to give the briefing we want to would invite the advisory committee that night to hear the briefing at the same time we can circle back with them with questions if they want but i would say the briefing itself is probably going to take forty five minutes or so because it is very complicated and we want to be sure we get through it in the proper kind of detail so the public understands what drives all the time and the decisions that are causing us to spend what we spend so we'll have that for at the next meeting and you'll have an executive summary of that on i will indeed in fact it's already written and the recommendation section is also already written we just the fire chief hasn't seen it yet randy has a seen it yet because i wrote it while i was away and i want them to see it and make sure we are in agreement or at least we understand each other we may not agree but we at least understand each other prior to presenting it publicly before you that you probably will you already have talked to you know itself as well you know so they'll hear it for the at the main town meeting whether you have it available for people you know and one of the one of the warrant one of the articles is to report of what you can use since the town has many years in a row talked about doing some out of work although this is not artwork it would be i think worthwhile for you to share with the community what the chiefs in yourselves of have kind of analyzed how you know allies did you know you can look at this two ways your new town manager you can look at it and say well it's not my problem it's been like this for a couple years so i can come in and i can say what i want to say or you can say if i do it it's going to be whatever we think we can save someone's going to criticize us for not doing it last year the year before and i think the approach that you've taken as a team is let's not worry about blaming let's just worry about how do we reduce costs going forward and some of the board has been very supportive of that and i would just ask you to think about whether there is a way to in a positive way share with the community the work that you've done the analysis that you've done and the effort you're you've put forth in order to save costs going forward without impacting safety so whatever decisions you folks the chief part of the problem that i had emphasized at the time is there is a very heavy expenditure of time tied in on details in addition to the o t in some cases it averages forty hours a week over a year's time now if you can understand in the early part of the year the details are light and if someone is averaging forty hours you can imagine very busy weeks how many hours she is diverging in addition to its regular tour and this is is an area of public safety that i feel very concerned about should we limit the amount of hours many city just tricks do  play some weekend that there is no coverage in town we have to call people in immediately the details and the patrolmen i think that indicated the first guy out isn't placed on the shift  shift is a sergeant in three men so it's a sergeant and two between four in the afternoon and eight in the morning now if everyone's up at the stadium where is the public safety for the time this is part of my concern what how do we manage it how do we feel safe if everyone begins to understand that the forces up at the stadium saturday night things can happen in the center of town or the east rly side of town which is public safety and we need coverage second issue in all of this is the issue of the payments randy and i have gone round on this and the chief for the past year and a half the last discussion with randy we appropriate three hundred ninety two for overtime for the place we spent five eighty a year how do we make up this two hundred well we don't hire those two men so we've made up some of that and somehow it balances out i'm not convinced about this and i haven't seen hard data showing how this is done the fire a discrepancy as well such as the highway but the highway discrepancy is taken care of by side tracked for i mean fifty thousand to cover it but the issues there is how do we make these transfers this is a town meeting form of government which means it has to be authorized that it's not been authorized by a town meeting entity we are limited to three per we're limited to one hundred five thousand how do we make up two hundred thousand for the police alone you know this has been my initial question so it's a question on money it's a question of how well you work out the balance s how we transfer and how all of us is authorized i mean i don't need to get into the you who watch their eyes spending six million a tie school that was never authorized a town meeting but that's a whole different ball game we get into that their families are covered and the town is covered and secondly how we adjust these numbers and make them mork i don't see it in any of the reports i've gone over and what randi i think he does an excellent job he's done it for years and every time i ask him a question like that i get a piece of paper almost immediately at that as an answer so i have no problem with that i'm just saying visually transparency where do we get back to one hundred thousand how do we balance it when he says we only need three hundred two thousand and he says we spend five hundred eighty in that one account all right so let's let him try to answer it quickly if you can thank you mr chairman and thank you for the question i think the key differentiating factor here is we're talking about you know what's appropriate to the town meeting and what's authorized to spend to not to and what's appropriate in the town meeting as it relates to pay for fire police or highway or any depart any department but the most part is one voted line it's the salaries line that's the line that's voted to be appropriated town meeting not to exceed and what's contained within that line say for the for the fire department is the over time estimates of you know to three hundred thousand or whatever that is including  regular salaries so both amounts together plus and any other you know pay categories or voted in appropriated that town meeting on that one line and so so dick's right by and large the chiefs managed to that line you know there are some years are exceptional but by and large they manage that line and so they may over exceed you know the overtime amount but that's not the voted line at town meeting the voted line is a combination of all compensation paid to a department so they understand either through you know this turnover transition in the department or they achieve other savings you know managing their shift coverage at cetera but by and large they come in within  know in one sense you could equate it to on the school's side you know the school votes in a budget they they don't have to manage a department by department like we do they can get around with nothing but you're saying here  it's all of the compensation is in one line and whether they take it out of base or they take it out of sick or they take it out of whatever they just have to commit in total to that number by the end of the year correct dick does that help transparency is there too when when the chief goes before advisory and size i'm spending five eighty but we're only asking for three ninety if my wife did that to me you know know any of you we don't all have problems with attorneys and everyone else you know it as well as i do i'm just saying it isn't clear i'd like a clearer picture and if possible if they're going to meet i'd be happy to i want to start off by thanking chief o'leary and dave brown for the help that all the work that they did actually in the past ten months it's taken us a while to get here but you know just by way of a little bit of background again we started out started this off with doing some research to a number of different communities looking at their regulations and then we had took our first crack at a draft of an update to the rules and regulations for the liquor license holders in foxborough and we met with all of the licensees and reviewed those changes suggest you know ideas for changes with them got a lot of feedback and then from that point have worked in conjunction with jim nolan and peter tim to ensure that our final product is one that meets the needs of the town and also is suitable for supporting the businesses and the licensees so what you have in front of you is our final draft and  this has been submitted to peter and jim and for their final review they did mention to us at our last meeting with them that we would be hearing from the businesses receiving endorsement of these changes and you know i think just real quickly if you go through it you'll see we've gone from our original fifteen or so rigs up to we've got expanded to final number of thirty seven or less pager of the sanctions for violations and again just want to highlight those changes for you if you look at the recommendations to be considered under first second and third and fourth violation we have increased the actions that are being suggested increasing the length of suspension and also with an option of changing liquor closing hours for establishment still pending on the situation and when this does come up we've also at the very end only violations that have occurred within the past three years will be reviewed as we look at this in its entirety when you are going through the sanctions so again the are stricter than we've had in place before but are supported by the businesses and so we're very not just that it was a large body of work certainly it's david spent a tremendous amount of their time trying to come up with a solution for both the liquor license operators their livelihood as well as having regulations that are going to be easier for us to understand as police officers and force you know as well as for the board to be able to make clear determination if there jim nice job just a couple brief questions just a short time i've been on the board having gone through different violation issues with different restaurants the stuff that i've learned or that we've covered seems to be in here  eleven o'clock closing time so it was that came up at one of the hearings on issues like if there's an issue at the state level and we're not privy to it we can still count it violations multiple on one night how is that covered a couple things that are new that i had a question on only violations that have occurred within the past three years i can be counted so if you've got an establishment and you've given him four chances you know the first violation second violation third violation fourth phylicia if this goes into the fourth year he's still on it then you damn can file ations in one year not the same for may gets wind in the three look back however that i do not believe if in two years we had four violations of any facility that we'd be talking about something other than the ultimate with the patriot place with operators one of the issues was on the definition of a glass of wine because they have different restaurants might serve a carouse as an alternative to a glass of wine and we talked about using the same language if you take a look at just above what it discusses beer twenty two ounces in a container comma i want to call the wise authorized by the chief of police and i would suggest that glass of wine as defined under general law one thirty eight section one comma a loss all the rise authorized by the chief of police  in a beer that was an issue last time of the right logic one does that give the police chief the ability to waive that somewhere in here yes it does just what so for example toby ke we have a motion to approve the rules and regulations for holders of alcoholic beverage licenses in the town of foxborough dated three eight two thousand and twelve document as a motion by lenders or second second second by sending out the revised regulations that you voted on tonight early next week so that all of the license holders in the community will do some education as well and basically in the direction that they said it was basically it really has nothing to do with us it comes down to mr big goes decision whether or not he's going to put it out to better and with that being said i i and they even basically even kind of said that they've been talking to certain companies he told me that he's been in touch with like five or six companies and asking about different things you know my thing is you know how come no one ever wants to contact the smaller guy in town which i think you know a lot of the residents would like to see a smaller guy in town doing it you know it's a two track town it's not we don't need the largest company in  the in the trash business in the world pick it up or then we're going to switch you know to the second largest that's that's where we're going to this you know you guys are going to be sitting here on august first saying basically you switched from one large company to another large company in the towns up in rant rave because their trash is being picked up on a different day and you know joe the trash man's not picking it up and so on and i've already talked to joe joe's coming to work for me if i get it so it's already signed sealed delivered you know i've lived in town my whole life and you know i'm not saying all i want is a chance to to to be able to bid on this it is not even just me i think that to the people need an opportunity businesses should be able to look at this it shouldn't just be you know given to whatever a large companies that you decide that you want to have a look at this just in my eyes it's not fair you know we've dealt with other issues with the electric in town and you know with the large companies it with this isn't a large town we don't need large companies and that's the way i feel as a resident not just as someone who wants chance to bitterness and i think that you know they'll be a lot of people the town that agreeing on with me on this and you know trash truck when you order a trash truck it takes like four months to get there so if i were to get the if anyone were to get the contract tomorrow i don't even have the time to get the trucks the way that we're waiting so long and i just feel as if we're dragging our feet in i'm never going to get a chance to do this and i just want to be able to speak my mind tonight because i think that by the next town meeting might someone might already be picking up the trash and i just don't think it's right officer that the selectmen issue a permanent order for a dog named lacy to be physically confined to the property owner of mark brennan at seven metal if you rode unless held on a leash by responsible a doubt or kept inside a house or confined to a something like one oh ok so the next one is the acceptance of a twenty five hundred dollar grant from the s p c a to fox for animal control for the purpose of purchasing disaster preparedness equipment all those in favor of pows motion carries the next is that you still hear no chief looks like he's gone except the five thousand dollars grant from the executive office of public safety and security to be used in funding prevents your early intervention of under age alcohol abuse that question for you kevin maybe you know the answer and we talked about this before because you know dick has raised the issue and we have a grant are there strings attached when the grant runs out that force us to spend money or not or is this a one anyways is it there's multiple yeah so kevin you know anything about mr frederick j jones i know nothing about him but he has apparently been phone suitable by the board in the past since this was a rea know which one action i don't know but eight track and so is this number eight so number seven is still one of eight is going to cancel so do we have a motion to permit the sharon triathlon through foxboro neighborhoods on august twelfth two thousand and twelve all those in favor of this motion carries number eight is being withdrawn the lack of sponsorship number nine request permission to hang van as it both ends of the common advertising the master plan open house on march nineteenth to get more information so there's a thursday march twenty ninth from seven eight thirty is going to be in the public safety building for the first moments will be served it's just an informative way to get input from the town so i think that banners relate to t your meeting in two weeks and i hope to get it out to you at the friday prior to the meeting so when you come in here to the meeting you can say ok everything on here is in order to take anything out that you don't want in and then we're done town council has signed off and everything all the department of the signed off all the wording is final capital budget committee is we need this saturday morning to finalize that gotta let that article get in there so by your next meeting i hope this is a final product and you can look at it and then we can you can sign it and we can post and we can start the review of the specific god i think it turned out it went from a short one to a big on see water and sewers here now self sold if there's no disagreement take a five minute recess we'll come back so let's try to make it will come back right it ten minutes off and then we can wrap up any that we ought to try to discuss as much of it public as we can here there are aspects to this we talked right when i talked before the meeting there are a couple aspects to this that we are going to have to do an executive session is no getting around that  so what i will do is advise the board when we're getting into that area i'll advise you ok we need to do this in executive session so we do as much as we can and open and then per year tradition going to executive for the purpose of finishing and not coming back in the ok thank you frank before we get into water and sewer the board of selectmen did receive two letters late last evening and we're not going to discuss the letters this evening to any degree but i would like to based on the topics of the two let is i'd like to ask the board to entertain a board of selectmen meeting next tuesday at seven o'clock in the library in the in the high school auditorium the first letter which was in the sun chronicle today was written by a group and in that in that stephanie crimmins letter she does state it's clear the pols who does not have the support of the there's a majority support of the community i well we don't actually have a proposal number one and the number two although the letter is says that they represent twelve hundred members of foxboro and surrounding towns if that's ten percent of the voters not a majority but then we got about an hour later from another individual named mark top who is happens to be here and in mark's letter he indicates that he believes a vote will likely happen at some point and many people feel the town vote is the proper thing to do we must respect everyone's votes and further that there are no villains and we should appoint an independent negotiating team to ask mr wynn to pay for all necessary experts and begin negotiations now so what i'd like to do is i'd like to ask the board if you would consider a meeting for next tuesday where we can talk about the topic you know mr talks letter provides lots of thoughts and ideas and suggestions the board has talked about this a number of times and i'd like to at least give him an opportunity to present his his paper to the public and so if the board is so willing i would like to have a meeting next tuesday at seven o'clock in the of having citizens have to do this work themselves and i think the only way to do that i know right now it's difficult because feel like we're blocking on made shows we don't shouldn't be speaking to one another and  the e mails you know you get them you deal with them individually i just think that we need to be more of the leaders that we were going to be and i think the only way to do that is to prepare ourselves for what could be coming down the road and the only way to do that is public discussion and try to come up with some kind of a plan so i agree that we need todd has some some interesting concepts and ideas the board might like the board might not like but basically what he's saying is that if you wait to the last minute you're going to be behind the eight ball in terms of understanding the impact on police and fire on everyone else and as  clearly says in his letter this isn't about whether you're for or against it it's trying to make sure that the town is properly prepared and if mr wynn is going to submit a proposal and if he is willing to to pay for the town to hire you're getting in a discussion which is not on the agenda this is a slam dunk violation this all came in the last minute it came with us in a matter more hours and i'm asking the boy to have a meeting next to this is vastly beyond this the anyone want to have a meeting next tuesday or not mr chairman again with all due respect we've already violated the open meeting law just with what's happened so far statements contrary statements input discussion we've already violated to continue this discussion without an agenda or i am i have to do my job what you pay me to do and recommend to you in the strongest possible terms that you terminate this discussion put it on an i'm sorry sir will have to have you get next tuesday ok it's now one minute to nine so i think we can start on a water and sewer i'd like to ask the craft organization which it started in the visitor section to read a statement if you just finish your statement and then the board can discuss water and sewer if you want to come up to the front please feel free again as i had started earlier we sent a letter on march fifth indicating that we would be attending tonight's meeting to just discuss our concerns related to the town's handling of the billboard advertising on our property on route one we sent for five letters none of them are responded to finally on last friday march ninth we got a letter and i just that's a question i just want to make sure getting over here and mike's having a conversation but i know he's going to join us we will be present at the next board of selectmen meeting it doesn't request permission to be here it states a fact stamp and genders of the board of selectmen are not open to anyone who wants to demand time it's open to the chair typically in dialogue with the office staff to schedule those i mean indeed you and i talked last week and we scheduled the discussion tonight that at no time during the discussion  talk about there would be representatives of one of the organizations that is a bit or on an invitation for bit of thirty b procurement process which we are right in the middle of and which we are about to embark on again and would be having a public discussion of that good protest process i have to protest this discussion in the strongest possible terms as absolutely injurious to the town's interest i am speaking as the chief procurement officer of the community who is who is given the responsibility of conducting that thirty be bidding process in cooperation with want to sue a commission and i will say that this discussion in this subject matter if this continue if this discussion continues publicly is absolutely horrible to the times interest without question and that by the way is not just my opinion it's also the opinion of town council so the fact that this is going to use happen with anybody of a telling me it was about to happen is is just astounding to nurse deval kevin you were here earlier this evening and under visitors we asked if there were any visitors with comments we had multiple people raise their hand multiple people speak these folks started to speak you didn't object at that point you didn't give us the speech at that point you let them and then i asked them to come back because we ran out of time we had a public hearing we had to do it seven twenty i have no idea what they're going to say but they're citizen input just like anyone else and they raise their hand and they ask to be spoken it was human to point a clear  i had asked them earlier and we ran out of visitors time to wait until we got through the rest of the meeting they they sat patiently waited till the rest of the meeting that's why i was starting by letting them have their their two minutes that they asked for at the beginning the meeting and then they're done and they can step back and we can discuss with water and sewer the issues we wanted to discuss and as you and i discussed earlier we wanted to cover as much of this is we could in public rather than an executive session because of the coverage that's already been in the newspaper because of former member of the that i didn't even know they were going to speak that's why i didn't object once i had an opportunity to assimilate what it was they were saying and go find the march fifth letter because i didn't have it in front of me nawa i know what it is that they intend to discuss and i am telling this board that if you allow this discussion to go forward you are most assuredly prejudicing a bid process which we are right in the middle of and i am formally notifying you that i believe that we are putting the town's best interest in serious jeopardy and we may well be violating thirty b and we may well be subjecting ourselves to bid protests while there were no wanted on the record most on the record there were no bids when you went out to bid last week is that correct subject of the meeting tonight is to consider the the lack of bids from the i have to be that was issued last week and discussed in executive session because we're dealing with a real property interest right one of the reasons we go into executive session what we're going to do about that and the only reason and by the way the board of selectmen doesn't even have a formal role in this process the only reason we're even here is a courtesy to the board to engage in a discussion with the board as the time as executive leadership hope given those circumstances to allow this discussion to go forward and given the caviar it's what i want for to you if this goes forward mr chairman i don't take any responsibility for what happens down the eminent domain that is not on the agenda all right so if you want to be required if you want to be on an agenda to discuss the eminent domain specifically and you have something of value to add that's not on the agenda we could skip that'll be we  people typically you decide to include or not include what position you take on the subject usually doing another night or you can do the same for you guys ok well ok i have only so if you want to discuss eminent domain we would take that as a request to be put on an agenda item and just like any citizen or any business carry question agenda item and we generally accept those in advance and we'd be happy to do that  council attorney hoffman that the process was flawed it's flawed because it did not take into account that the town does not own the land or have the right to locate the billboards on the land we have asked politely to to have that  disclosed to the potential bidders we've asked to work through council we did receive a response we want to bring that to your attention that they had a very minimum there should have been a response we wanted to convey that you know we have been good citizens here done a lot of great finish please all right i do not want to get sideways from a legal standpoint so the town manager has made a recommendation i don't have town council here to determine whether he's correct or is incorrect senseis protested i have the obligation of making sure from town council that we don't do something that would be harmful to the town and so i don't know if i agree or disagree with this protest but i don't have town council to give me an opinion and therefore i think i have to err on the side of protecting the town i would ask that you not make your comments if that's the case well there's a point of water here i believe as part of citizens and but we can say virtually anything we just can't you can't discuss it so i think that we do have the legal right to say what we have come here to say as i said we've declared in our letter that we are not participating in the bill the closed last week and as we know that did close or there is new technique opened did so is frankly ridiculous this is not citizens important this is an attempt to use the selectmen as meeting to subvert a public bidding process because one of the bidders disagrees with the town's legal position this is unprecedented in my experience i have never heard of such an endeavor this discussion must not be allowed to go any further just go over through the chair are you an attorney by being quizzed is that you are an attorney mr chairman mr coe resolutely representative of an organization which is one of the participants in this bid process we do not have counsel here and i am perfectly humble enough to admit that i cannot do with an attorney on matters of law and neither can any member of this board and the chairs already agree to that this process must stop immediately immediately no further discussion if i just want to make that clear this came up as unexpected to me so the way it is again let me just reiterate that i am not an attorney there is no one on the board that's an attorney the town council is not here the town manager and has issued a severe challenge and i think it would be irresponsible to go forward i know you've sat here for several hours i appreciate the fact that you sat here would ask that if some of this discussion is going to be in public and you you have more than welcome to sit and listen to it but yeah i gave you my hands are a little tight i think you don't have for us to be able to speak on matters that are not legal on matters that are very important when you talk about unprecedented actions in this town the craft group has been a partner with this town for twenty five years and now we're being threatened with an eminent domain taking of our land right now i won't debate the legal part of it but i wanted to give some background on the partnership that used to exist that we'd like to see preserved and there are forces that are trying to unravel that and we're feeling it tonight sitting at this table so can i ask you respectfully to allow kevin and i to have a conversation with town council tomorrow if you've got a document there that you would like to leave we can discuss that with the town council if town council says there is absolutely nothing wrong with you reading that statement then i will personally invite you to come to the next meeting and read that statement if town council has indicate indicates that he does agree that it would create an issue for the town and i'm obligated to take town councils advice and i don't want to be wishy washy but i don't have them here and i don't want to make a mistake on behalf of the town all due respect i don't know i understand where you're saying but i will tell you it is somewhat extraordinary from as a lawyer and as a just a citizen that we came here to offer citizens of but we're not here to discuss things with you we simply want to be heard and to be told that notwithstanding the fact that there is no bid currently outstanding that when the bids were opened there were no bids that on that exact same day we submitted a letter saying we're not bidding to be told there's not there's no bid there's no bid from you there's no open bid and you can't talk is amazing absolutely amazing to me and you know the fact that there is not a town council here is quite frankly sad right it really should be the case where we should be allowed to be heard but out of respect for th tell us what we should come back and the level of the year so kevin and i will talk to you if you leave a copy of your letter we will talk to town council tomorrow and if it's appropriate i will either kevin or i'll get back to you in a fight you to the next course lichens me two weeks from tonight if you don't mind i actually mr chairman when the board goes into executive session tonight but some of this will be discussed with you for matters that are going to become very apparent to you and it will become very apparent why we cannot have discussions in public you know the reason i mention on right now is sort of the board understands you won't have to wait till tomorrow moreover i have to say and on to state because i don't want to be disrespectful to our guess is that it is highly unlikely that they're going to be invited back here to make these comments and i just say that in the interest of full disclosure and honesty and respect so that we don't waste anybody's time and that will become very obvious to and we go into executive session well none of us know what's going to be discussed in executive session in advance so which we're trying this is a a live play here folks this is not like we have rehearsals so i feel him to twist in between because i got to tell manager saying giving legal advice not that he's a lawyer but a town manager for twenty five years i don't know if it's correct or thirty years whatever is mumbling i can't tell you but i want to make sure i don't put the what put the town of her on the other hand kevin i will say to you that there have been comments in the newspaper that have to get addressed comments about the bidding process do you use being a kid to bid big rigging and and the former house demeanor of the house in jail there's been a number of issues and it's important from my perspective for the public to have as much information relative that as possible to know clearly that the bid process you used was not bid rigging it was not illegal in fact town council or special town council advised you throughout the process these discussions have gone on people now we've been going into executive session for two years on the issue you have the advice all the way along i would like to just as one individual have as much of it in  public as we can so the public understands as much of it is they can so that's the part of the discussion about the current contract and the discussion about the process that we're following is the part that should be in public that we talked about today in order to bring some clarification to listen appeared in the press recently that's that should be public but then the discussion has to move into executive for the meeting with the water so boy as to what they want to the law to say that we are not allowed to offer such and never heard of this before in my life i look forward to the opportunity to discuss it with attorney duran says and i'm hoping that you invite us back in two weeks so we can have our say thank ok so kevin and i reach out to him tomorrow we'll have a discussion if you have a document you'd like us to be able to see so that we can we know what's going to be said so we can make sure we don't violate any laws or we don't put the town it in any jeopardy linda just a question if we're going to discuss some of this time in public these folks are part of the public right they can stay for some of which has been applied some of which hasn't been applied yet and the and the folks at home are sitting there understanding that there was a deal at one point from two thousand and seven that some people criticized but the bottom line is it created value out of nothing and whether it was the perfect deal or it wasn't a perfect deal it's created money for the town the town didn't have before and now we don't have any bits which tells what these folks it's talking about that's what in in a situation where they disclose executive session just gushing in their comments that we need to talk about tonight and that is very troublesome and i think it's very unclear to the public what is going on when some people are saying certain things and telling certain pieces of this and that and they don't have the full information and it's very confusing for them i think that's what we're trying to clarify so it's what we can release and we're going to you know we're going to do some discussion i said we can rel some of these things that people question into the end everybody that needs to be heard should be heard i understand that's what i when i put my right hand up that's what i said laurie just a procedural question on our agenda we only have listed executive session on this topic so i think it would make sense for us to just go directly into executive session and not have any problem i discussed with seven that i that we have the motion to go to executive session but that some of that stuff we could cover public session and he agreed perhaps people would be here though if they thought it was going to be a public discussion it's a valid point where it says executive action on the agenda so i think we should stick to the agenda i stand corrected mr chairman when we earlier i thought it was in the in the public's best interest to have some of this discussion publicly because of what's been in the press and because the board hasn't had a meeting and i was aware of military duty and we didn't have an opportunity to get i didn't have a chance to comment on that i know the board needed some i think that's correct i think the only thing we can do at this point is going to executive session have the meeting that was planned and then at a subsequent selections of meeting we can have a agenda right i'm to have a more full public discussion of some of the background of this but once the minutes if we approve in executive session the release of the minutes this evening then other board members are free to comment on the allegations or the statements that i made in the press and to date the board has been silenced despite the fact that somebody knew when we were going to release the minutes he decided a week in advance to release partial information so it's important that the public have as much information as quickly as they can and if we i would hope that will if we go to executive session will approve the minutes tonight releasing tomorrow morning so that every board members free to discuss the negotiations what's in the minutes occur subsequently reproving release the minutes of tonight's meeting at the next meeting right contemplated for that i won't say any more we'll wait until i think you've put on the record your opposition and that part's important and i think we all know that piece and the lawyers will have to work through all of that so they will get to talk to your lawyer motion to go into executive session the chair will recognize please state your name and address for the record and your and bullying and insulting me so let's just try to negative that's not the case as it is having recently just we spoke five minutes before the meeting we know kevin you called me yesterday you and i had a discussion on sunday and we had a discussion yesterday and on the disaster we spent an hour on the telephone sunday and on sunday we talked about the value of discussing it in public and you said it was fine and if you need a mistake you ever mentioned to me larry that representatives of the patriots were going to be i didn't know that you would have to say no to me how did i know they were going to be here you didn't know no  absolutely and i accept unfortunate no the reality is i just said there's no agenda right and despite our best intent to wants to explain some things we can't and i said i there's nothing wrong with that right but the reason we can't isn't because anybody is hiding anything is because we respect the open meeting law and because we don't want to violate it and have the attorney general's office tell us all that we violated the open meeting law now if there's something wrong with protecting the town's interest by by obeying the open meeting law and by respecting it then somebody tell me why that's wrong because that's exactly what we're doing right now as has been pointed out by the way and mark right and and i've supported your recommendation not to allow them to speak and i support of the recommendation we go into executive session all i simply said was that once the minutes are released then every board member is subject to speak to the newspaper themselves or give whatever statement they want to the newspaper to respond to the issue sell when you when i talked you're saying you've said for the racket some facts of change since we've talked and based on the change in those facts your recommendation is changed i accept that for what it is and i accept a motion to go into