welcome my name is joel chris h i'm the district mining manager for the california district mining office of the partner environmental protection and we are here today to hold the informal conference for the ram a co and the ram c ram number one mine and just a little bit of housekeeping first for ya just notice the exits here for the building or here where you came in and over here to your left in case we have a an instance to do that what we do at the california district mining office as we review and process the environmental permits when an underground mine is proposed or a coal refuse disposal facility or a coal preparation facility is proposed and we have quite a bit of our staff here today we have both technical administrative staff that deal with the processing of the permits and the technical review of the permits and we also have representatives from our my subsidence insurance division there in case anybody has any questions or requires any information on mine subsidence because most of the area around the mine site has been mined years ago so we have folks available to answer any specific questions about my subsidence the specific format of today's conference again is informal will be to have the first hour and we'll try to keep it to an hour plus or minus a few minutes will be public testimony where folks can come up offer public testimony either concerns or comments regarding the proposed mine and feel free to have a seat after you're done that's fine and we'll go is as long as there are folks wanting to offer public testimony if we stop an hour or sure that our no no problem will move over into our second half of the conference which is more of a q and a session and an open house so we have all of our staff available today to answer any questions or comments that you might have the status of the permit application so far is it's gone through a what we call they pre application process where it's really a working draft of the application and then the company tries to work out some of the major administrative and technical  concerns before they submit their application for formal review that permit application has been form submitted for formal review and we are in the process of reviewing that that all that information we have not sent out our first response to the company at noting all the concerns and comments that we have and also not including any of the comments that we believe should be incorporated into our correspondence to them from the public so this is again this is in this is informal and we will have a couple this is the open house portion over here during the second half of the meeting if you wish to offer public testimony into the record we will have one of our staff persons over here you can read or comment officially in the record  over to your left here during the second half of the meeting and at the end of the meeting we will conclude and usually we offer folks if you forgot something t say or you you have additional comments in the meantime after you go home and think about it a little bit will keep the record open for an additional two weeks and so that you can offer these comments into the into the record we then prepare what's called they've written finding stalk you meant and in which we the department addresses the concerns and comments that the public may have on the application and will prepare that document in for those who sign in and request a copy of the permit will make sure that you get a copy of the written fine you saw human solve so so with that with for know with no further ado will open it up for any comments that you might have are we ready for is the mike ok for the make the presentation or comments the folks if there are any local government representatives that wish to go first and offer any comments certainly you're welcome to come up now if not will proceed on with the with any testimony that the folks may want to offer so before that i wanted to give you a brief and i mean a brief overview before we start on that as the kind of what the proposed project is so for and what we've learned from the company and of course you can see it's the ram mining ram number one is the name of the company and the proposed mine and this is what we call the fact she's a little a little difficult to read but you have a fact sheet as you came in you know you were passed out or sheet and just generally running down some of the general specifics of the mine application it is located within cam in peter's township in in your county washington county the company name is ram mining l l c there out of kentucky lexington kentucky the contact is a michael bauer sax is his name and his phone number is there if anyone wishes to contact him in the application it was accepted for for official public review and that's when the clock starts it was on february twenty fifth of this year and once we do that  accepted at our office we then distribute that application to many different commenting agencies the fish commission game commission local township state penn dog ph mc the pennsylvania historical museum commission many agencies get an opportunity to comment on our on the application this been submitted so once we accepted that starts that claw also the purpose of the application is is for a proposed underground mine it's somewhat small by standards for underground mines these days but it is for approximately sixty two acres of surface the serbians is where they want to enter the mine and the thirteen hundred and seventeen acres of underground area the mining method is the room and pillar method of mining very much the same mining method that was conducted throughout peter's township from the from the historical mining most of really which occurred on the pittsburgh coal same which was the main coal seam use for miller tical coal and a lot of armaan valley still miles and the depth of cover ranges from fifty feet to four hundred twenty five feet deep from the surface down to the coal receiving streams there are no receiving streams there are no discharges to any of the receiving streams or something that we process we call the non discharge alternative or the anti degradation supplement that's submitted with the application and because of the nature of the designation of the receiving stream which is mean go creek is designated as a what's called a high quality watershed most all of our streams in pennsylvania have a designation to them depending on the use they include but aren't limited to high quality water shit cold water fishery warm water fishery stock fishery livestock public water supply uses and it's based really on the use of the strain and depending on for instance if it was a cold water fishery it's a stream that supports those fish populations that survive and prosper in a cold water environment rather in a warm water environment so a trout is considered a  fish species that prefers cold water and say a small mop bass would be one that prefers a warm water to just a little bit on the designations of the strain the estimated life of the mine based on there are there are the companies projection is eight to twelve years that certainly can change based on market conditions right now as we understand it kind of casually the coal market is very depressed right now both in terms of demand and also the cost or the price per ton of coal so we can hear that through the rumor mill among our among our business dealings and certainly we're here today and quite quite the facility here for a informal conference probably one of the most impressive once we've we've ever had it is so complements to the peter's townships folks this is a general copra graphic overlay of the proposed mining area and i've only have about four or five of these slides and i'm going to show you just to give you a general overview so that we don't take away too much from your testimony and the dashed line is the proposed underground mine area and you can see in geographically where it's located in reference to some of their spindly built to the top right corner and it spans over sure road here to the north and some of the areas in peter's township just kind of starts in the peters township but the bulk of it is in  this is a map and and i just do want to note that all of these documents and maps and exhibits we have here today so we can take a little closer look at it if you have specific questions about it so i don't want you to think this is the only opportunity that you have to look at it but this is the general layout of the surface facility and again that's approximately sixty two acres what you see in yellow there it really consists of  the left corner there is really a blow up of the pit this essentially a block of earth that's taken out and stock power than a jason area and so it'll they'll excavate excavation they all face of constructs the dimensions according to the designs and have a parking area they are stockpiled coal stockpile storage stockpile some a whole stack or what we call call stack or which is nothing more than a a piece of equipment that powers the coal and some talks talks oil stock power areas so we'll look at that closer as we move into the second half of our discussion today just to give you some idea of the past mining in the area that is the proposed permit area this mine this block the remaining coal really was the one of the remaining reserve blocks in the old matthys mine and some of us remember the old matthys mine it was later became was called montague mining but the mine stay the same from back in the national mines days most recently about in this area before they closed the mine while it was montague mining and the maple creek mine is to the south that was a large rather large complex so much of the the area around this remaining block coal certainly the coals been exhausted that's a toper graphic view of the same block of coal with an overlay of the adjacent mine so you can get some idea of what the surface area looks like and some of the stream areas certainly the main stream there is peters township school right here and the main stream valley the surface facility is here and then the remaining block of coal is in the within the orange area there a little larger scale this is the monongahela river down towards new eagle and monongahela and again that just shows a different perspective of the scale of the coal that they want to remove as compared to which has been removed since matthys ritually started back and again even a larger scale little more global look regional look at the area that's been mined you can see pretty much everything to the north everything to the last everything to the east to the  and to the south it's pretty much been exhausted by previous mining and certainly you can contact us at any time if you have questions about the about the application so with that little and that's that's the extent of our overview of kind of the geographic location a little bit about of the mining the specifics of it so if there are any local government representatives who want to want to go first i certainly want to extend the opportunity to you first stand and so if we're roquet with that we'll start with any testimony and feel free don't be shy it's is again very informal for free to come up to the mike speak your comments and we'll proceed from there and just a little raising there i'll try to answer a question when i can during the if you have any questions there and then for a more specific answer maybe a little more detail will certainly be able to answer anything and the second half i mean since i did run on a little bit it's been fifteen minutes will certainly extend the public testimony portion however long it goes there so feel free to my it's not a this is a recording mind for the public god says they should so if we have been possible can we just turn it to the side so that the votes may be able to project voice backwards a little bit  winding road that's not designed for heavy truck traffic school buses travel the road and pick up school children during the day the road is part of a designated p a bicycle route in this precinct frequently used by bicyclists and the road leads to one of the main entrance of mango park where all of the local people go to enjoy the park the application also states the well this is going to jump around the different areas because i i'm skipping some of what i ha the application states as a person said earlier that the depth of the cover of coal is at places two hundred feet but will be as low as fifty feet and the application claims th turris affects on undermined water supplies because there were no problems in the mouth is mine but people did lose their drinking water and ponds for life stock because of the math these mine and some cases they were replaced the think in most cases they were replaced but there are other mines in the area where there has been loss of water supplies and there has been no swift remediation of the situation by the mining company and people have been severely inconvenienced on a long term basis by the loss of their water and industry should not be allowed to cause loss of a person's water supply with no consequences the application states that appoint completion of the mining the proposed ram number one mine pools expected to equilibrate with the adjacent pool in the and flow into the existence of existing emergency acid mine during a treatment facility hundred eighty eight in new eagle overwhelming and causing untreated water to flow into the stream this is without any additional water that will be added to the mine pool from the operation of  storm water control facilities will release untreated water from the emergency spillway into a tributary to create that is designated as a high quality cold water fishery within the application there's no reference as to how underground vinyl interact with the with gas drilling in the same proximity the d p must conduct a full cumulative impact study of the combined impacts of mining and drilling in the same region before any decision on the permit application three made also chapter seventy eight of title twenty five of the p a code says no permit will be issued for a well at a location that in the opinion of the department would endanger the safety of persons working in a coal mine this means that the people who live in the area that will be undermined will be denied the money they could have received from gas wells that could have been drilled near their causing the nearby residents to be evacuated and was closed venture again not sure this was the same part at the same time it was close eventually because of flooding and what makes for m l c think this won't happen in the in the new part that they want to mine this coal seam is known for containing high levels of methane and there is a lot of groundwater throughout the area to be mined after the failed mining efforts in the past mine related structures were left to rot creating an early eyesores in our community the amount of money required for bonding by the d p would not be enough to prevent this from happening in frame melosi abandons the mine at some point and declares bankruptcy in addition the fines that are imposed by the e p a in the township for violations of any regulations that occurred during the mining are not punitive enough to cause the company to adhere to the regulations is often more cost effective for the company to pay the fines and continue their illegal activities instead of fixing the problem this behavior could possibly could possibly expose the local residents and vironment to talk since from uncontrolled dust result in loss of water sources that are not replacing timely manner and create another annoyances other annoyances to the community from noise and light pollution are quite neighborhood has been turned into an industrial zone by the energy companies i have a drilling pad within a thousand feet of my house a transmission line for petroleum by products of the marcellus shale drilling was placed one hundred feet behind my house last year and now the company wants to open a mine a thousand feet from my house and the other direction with this speaks up the bill in the cities or the suburbs why is it ok to disrupt the lives of rural communities in this manner there's absolutely nothing positive about this mine it will not benefit the surrounding community in any way it will seriously inconvenience and possibly undermine the health of the local residents and wildlife it will cause deterioration of the roads and will be and w create dirt in ways that will spoil the natural beauty of our community this permit should be denied because the only people it benefits are the owners of the mine and the impact on everyone in our local community will be negative  to i my name is susan wright b i live at thirty two little mango road in nottingham township and before i start my comment everybody will take notice of this map on the right side down by the corner where the legend is and i called the date it d e p t about this whenever i got this copy in the mail a couple months ago if you notice where it has the two blocks with the acreage marked if you look about two inches to the left it has a name on that road they have montana that's posed to be a little mango road and i called and told them that they made the mistake and obviously they didn't fix it even for this meeting but that is a little my road that this is going to be used by monday ok anyway my family and i live at thirty two little mango road in nottingham township we operate a rescue in retirement home for horses and ponies and can't forget them our houses across from across the street from the proposed ram number one mine site and our barn and two important pasture areas will be right beside it the top larger area will sit right below the stockpile excuse me they're spoiled as they now refer to it as before i address my serious comments i would like to read  the mission statement to the this is yours the department of environmental protections mission is to protect pennsylvania's air land and water from pollution and to provide for the health and safety of its citizens through a cleaner environment we will work as partners with individuals organizations governments and businesses to prevent pollution and re store our natural resources thank you for listening and please deny ram number one m know one problem i have with this application is the wastewater treatment plan this is just one of many problems with the study on which this is spaced this ten plus years old which states the stability of the west anti clotting when speaking to mr bogner at the d e p t office with another member of our community president i left her feeling confident that another study was going to be done before this was going to be even looked at i don't know that is that happen no we don't perform the study we evaluate the information that the company has submitted we have not completed our first review of that that they have and they have you at the company have another study done that all be part of the study give me the study and all the data that is required to evaluate the application that all be requested if there's any deficiencies  additions new information that will be requested in our first letter back to the company yes or ok also we feel there needs to be communication between your mining department and your drilling department  which at this meeting with mr bogner was to i was told that there is no communication between your sister offices which in which i find a little crazy you know the most sellers drilling wasn't even taking place in this application this alone should be enough to deny the application or at least postpone it until the studies are done also you know i i would like to to hope and pray that the future of our environment doesn't follow the same fate that our economic system fell to in the early early to thousands because of the faulty and irresponsible applications for homeowners and home loans that our government agencies were so skewed overseeing you know it's taken us at least ten years to crawl out of that and i'm not sure the future of our environment can recover from  this it's just too big of a price to play pay for our children's health and the environment still the d p must deny this application because the proposed discharge of wastewater creates an unacceptable risk of pollution to our groundwater this is for hidden under the clean streams all the last thing i want to talk about is the safety of our children and community members with two hundred eighty trucks going up and down the little narrow mango road  i don't know of any agency to to to help protect our children and community you know we've spoken to the department of transportation and we've spoken to the e p a about this problem know i just feel that the applications should be denied if nothing else for the health and safety of our community and children hi my name's lorraine noel and i live in fifteen little mango road so i'm on the corner of sugar run and little mango little mango is the road on which this proposed mine facility is going on and i am imploring you not to approve the mine portal location and application as it stands the slope of the property my concerns are the slope of the property is not able to accommodate safe operation of water management and waste management and i'm concerned that the fishing in the area will no longer be possible water to clean trucks and whole dust particles down is unacceptable to me i don't want my land or air polluted by contaminants in dirty water dispersed into the air and drifting over my property and homestead like money many of my fellow neighbors my husband and i searched hard for a place in this location we start on stopping only for four years on stopping way we looked at every house that came on the market and there wasn't many  because not many houses got for sale in nottingham and if anybody else has had that problem but we did it we finally found it and we bought it for its pastoral views and sounds  operations of an industrial venture will cause unavoidable noise pollution and will ruin my pursuit of happiness along with my neighbors but hey i'm speaking for me up here  so sorry a spoiled sways power of any height will corrupt the the view that i enjoy in fact it's directly outside of my kitchen window and right off my patio will block the sun i'll never see the sun again  why is this operation allowed to be built by engineers with limitations to topographical planned due to the slope of the land i don't understand the slope is t great to hold back any kind of runoff i don't imagine that it is possible there's a portal and substation already built from the last mine operators and just because it's too expensive to operate through that portal shouldn't be my problem last time of mine was in operation with the high power lines i regularly regularly have equipment burn out and surge protector protectors burned out all over my house the electrical lines the support the household service don't have enough transformers on that line to withstand the high voltage surges that occur when a tree drops down onto that high voltage line from the last mine i lost my water from the last mine i'm a little concerned about this fifty feet of surface to call situation if that occurs in the land that's next to where my house sits it's going to be unusable for building anything so i know that there subsidence damage from the last mine i suspect that there would be a substantial system seiden swith a fifty foot clearance from this mine thank you hi my name hi my name is rick robby and my family operates a horse retirement stables adjacent to the proposed ram one mine one of my many concerns with this project is a potential for storm water flooding and the likelihood of overflow being released into little mango quick we have been residents for a little in this location for the past twenty years during this time we've had numerous flooding and extreme snowfall that's with a growing science of climate change acknowledged by ninety seven percent of scientists these things will only get worse romack i was proposing to put this mining area which is unsuited to the proper control of groundwater runoff in the check in light of the changing climatic conditions the roaming around feeds into the crack which is a high quality cold water fish are these cracks are using enjoyed by the public and should be protected by the department of environmental protection just like your name says not to put not to put at risk for the profit of a few businesses in a declining industry with no guardrails shoulders and berms along the majority of its length during this time here during this time a person only twelve to fourteen school buses we traveled is already over used road it also it is also used by many cousin had his home and his mother's home cave in because of mine subsidence this was a cracker jack rode in on the hella well i don't know which mine was involved the location is just a few miles from the entrance to park the ram a co application references murphy's mind several times and states that there were no issues so there shouldn't be a problem with theirs that the average depth of cover the distance between the mine roof and the ground is approximately two hundred feet but will be as low as fifty feet in some places this does not allow enough rock to support the mine roof and puts the miners lives at  risk while having mine subsidence and having your home caved in it's a terrible thing terrible inconvenience but for the miners down there with the mine roof collapse we're talking about did anybody survive how badly are the people injured my father my brother my cousin and my uncle all worked at nappy's mine and there were issues incidents and accidents my uncle andy mathis was buried when the min roof collapsed in july of one nine hundred sixty five his family was told he probably would not survive the numerous broken bones and internal injuries and if he did survive he would never walk again he did survive and after months and years of therapy he struggled to walk he was never able to work again and suffered every day of the next thirty seven years from the injuries he got that july day in math he's mine the e p a must deny the ram a co application based on an unsafe and shallow mind up no nine the application means we have learned from past mistakes that no other families have to watch the suffering that a mine roof collapse causes to a person's body please for the safety of the piece of heaven right between pittsburgh and where i'm originally from well seventeen of those years have been great the last three we've been under siege and this coal mine these people to just spoke everybody here that's already been up here they are directly affected by this coal mine they were within feet of that mine i live about ten thousand yards away from where the porter will be it's already affected our our how i'm valerie hughes and it's going to affect it even more because when people come out and they're looking at homes there's homes for sale all around us that people aren't even looking at right now and there's so many things involved with this i mean we found  out communication between the two entities being your coal part and also the drilling part really doesn't exist and that concerns us because as more and all said and also mrs pike said this is there within feet of each other and then also you know there's that the traffic and everybody's talked about most of the things the water that's being treated eventually is going to overflow antic line and go back down to eighty eight to new eagle and we know that that if you go from little mango to mingle creek itself and then you look at a creek below the where there are filtering that water the quality is not the same trout don't live in in the area below the treatment facility plant so please step up do the right thing deny this permit  and don't hand hold their their hands through this process i've never seen a state agency basically say here's how you do this and here follow along i've dealt with state agencies before and this is unbelievable and i told you that day we met i can't believe that we hope how you want these people through this process they should know this process now is just their first coal mine they have no other operating coal mine in the us we know  none to my knowledge i think this is a new company but the principles that are involved i think have a lot of previous mining experience with other companies i don't know the specifics i know mr bower sacked as had previous mining experience but this is a newly formed company in pennsylvania so they're they're new to us as far as the company they have are they already permitted i mean they have a license to mine in pennsylvania already i don't know that they must have one before they would have a permit they must have an approv license also and the necessary insurance bonding and all the other administrative issues that go along with it so this made this seems to be this is a small operation that that will be nonunion i mean all of us here i mean most of the people who spoke come from steel workers my father was a steel worker and that is going to be a small operation and you know the safety concerns around believable so you know and i could take up more time but thank you for your time i wish this meeting was held evening because there be a lot more people that would like to speak because of lot of people that can't take up jobs to be here today so please understand there's more people that are upset about this but they just can't do that so thank you and please deny ram a just quickly on that same thing is i worked in science for carnegie mellon for westinghouse and conoco for a little while too and i had to write reports and i you know i dealt with this kind of sync thing and when i look at these applications the application that the ram company submitted to you the lack of detail is just incredible and my boss would never put up with that if i sent him a report like that think it's crazy and to me it just it just tells you how little effort they are willing to put into this i mean don't they have people that are knowledgeable i mean it's crazy so  their lack of attention in the application is awful and then again my question is how long are you willing to cuddle them and you know how long is this going to last two to to enable them to do this when they aren't even willing to put the effort in up front and then i also we had read something about this company and i don't know if this is right or not but this is what we read that possibly they are looking into putting a lot of small minds in rather than a large mine and why is that and that's my question why why i mean they've been quoted to say that peter's residence wouldn't put up when they were initially thinking about putting a minute peter's township that the peter's residence wouldn't put up with that but then we will right we're going to put up with that why because we're a country bumpkins or what i mean are we not intelligent enough or we we can't resist we're going to put up with this and i just i just wonder if they want to put small minds in because they you know because there won't be any opposition because they can get away with it and i feel as if there's every indication that that's what they're doing because they're not willing to put the time in to actually think about the application and think about scientifically what they're supposed to do and what they're responsible for so i hope that you will consider that and not let them drag this on forever my name's many and i live on ten seventy sugar run you my name's mike matheny and i live on ten seventy sugar on road i do have a science background also and actually work on two different occasions at a couple of the treatment plants in the area for consolidated coal and when i look at this permit as my wife has already mentioned i see a lot of inadequacies in this permit i don't see anything permit that really tells me that the treatment facility that they're building is adequate at all and when i go down and look at that property it says sixty one acres on that map but it's sixty one acres like this it's not sixty one acres like this so the effective treatment area there is much less than what's on that met with what you actually see on that map and when you start getting in some of the severe brains that we get in this area over the last several years i don't see anything in that permit that talks about the water flow down those hillsides and the ability for those catch already fighting a battle against that stream flooding every spring well actually all year long and when you start mounting more when you're actually going to build a hillside bigger when they start mining the ground out in poly and it up on on that rough you stall that they're going to be building they're going to make it even worse i don't see the statistics i don't see the study i don't see anything in that permit or that proposal that tells me what's going to happen because they haven't done it they haven't done the background in the study to really identify whether there's a real problem there and how they're i don't see how this company can possibly build this mine and make money what they're going to do is what's being done across this country you're getting some fly by fly by night company going and getting a permit realizing the north there are many not going to make money on it and they're not going to sell it to somebody overseas what i hope happens if this permit does go through that it goes through only for this company and that permit does not transfer to anybody else and only stays with them so if some foreign company decides to come over here they're going to have to go through the whole process i am art sullivan and i am a coal miner and i have worked at a whole bunch of mines in this area been a general manager for some of the mine superintendent some and i pace boss that matthies and first of all i think you guys do good job a couple concerns i have first of all at one time it was said there would be no coal preparation at the surface site but there is to be equal preparation based upon the grizzly that i have seen in the recent drawings a grizzly is a cool preparation unit it creates dust and a heck of a lot of noise the second issue is on the safety of the guys working in the mine and mischa liii this mine is going to be working in very very shallow cover with you guys he and i work together i wish he could take a look at the roof control the ground control that is going to be experienced in the early life of the min but my main concern is the concern that was just mentioned this mine let me preface this by saying i've done an awful lot of economic analysis i've developed coal mines i have help to buy and sell coal mines and this co will never ever be profitable at least in my lifetime and i think i've got another fifty years to go if the mine achieves the seven hundred fifty thousand tons of annual production that has been bandied about it would be the most productive continuous miner operation in the world it'll be the best ever and couldn't do it in any event the coal that comes out and i have looked at ten cordura logs from the danger i see is exactly what was just stated if the mine is permit it and somebody can get the permit ok you can't prevent the reassignment of that permit a qualified party if somebody else gets a permit and is fully shown up to start development of the mine what is going to happen is there quickly after having disturbed the land disturbed the community they're going to quickly learn that this mine will never make money and those scars will be left in nottingham township you have a good system for cost bonding but i think it needs to be extremely crows closely scrutinized regarding this operation because there is a very very high risk that if the land is initially disturbed that someone is going to walk away from it thank you one well we're approaching two o'clock which is about the halfway point if there's no objections or there's no other specific testimony that an individual wants to offer doesn't mean you can't offer it certainly will have bonnie as her name she'll be sitting at the table over there if you wish to have one more patrick i'm sorry my name is even westheimer and i'm the community organizer with the center for caulfield justice and i'm reading comments on behalf of martha brown today she was not able to make it because it was an afternoon meeting and so she wrote comments and wanted it in testimony to the entire community d p can prevent other miners from being hurt from mine cave ins and not a by denying this unsafe mine application with so little coverage between the miners and the surface kevins and much more likely to occur the application because it is unsafe for miners sincerely martha he's so if no one objects move over to the second half of our program where you can ask as many questions specific as you want will be as transparent as we can be with the  answers given the information we know today regarding the application so feel free to meet with anyone we have any questions about the geology surface water groundwater monitoring anything specific about the gives me the coal the gentleman up here at the first table there are geologist professional geologist second table wars or engineering staff you have any particular questions about the surface facilities feel free to ask those folks any questions and then our third table is again any specific questions about the actual mine plan in the roof and the factors of safety used to protect the miners and just i just want to add one note that is part of our notification process once we see of our application is officially except that it does go to the bureau of mine safety mr selwyn ed mentioned joe's with phony joseba phoneys the director of mine safety and his staff review the safety aspects with the mine and obviously have to authorize a mine safety plan that's appropriate or not so i just want to let you know that and we also have our inspection staff here today or compliance folks if anybody has any questions of how that works and what we do if once a permit is issued anything about inspection information and we also have folks here from or mine subsidence insurance program if anybody has questions about where they live and how much you obtain mine subsidence insurance if you don't already have it feel free we're we have all the information back there that you might need so so for thank you for the courtesy you've offered others when when speaking and we'll do our best answer any questions you might have regarding the specifics of the application so we'll break into the second half again to remind anybody wants written or oral testimony officially in the record please see bonnie over here at the table thank you