least put some parameters out there and see what you think of as of what i will suggest first of all you've all received a clean version of the resolution caused by all cleaned up and all the grammatical errors have been corrected in spellings and if you find anything please do not hesitate to let us know that with all the requests and changes that we agreed upon on monday secondly we're going to ask each one of you and i will go by the list in front of us study would work in a way down foreign and i asked you for three names but you would want to recommend because i got the feeling that when we discussed this earlier that you felt you know you district well enough to bring forward names so i'm going to allow you to bring the name forward if you've got three and you want to name one first you can go ahead and name and if that name is not acceptable and i'm going to how this is i'm going to run it first you give me a name and if i'm going to say ok and then you can they have twenty seconds to a minute to tell us a little bit about that person so let's say there is one i would want to give them that opportunity and then i'm going to ask if you if we have consensus if we have consensus that district is done we move to the next one if i hear objections then i would say at that point questions about that nominee to bring forth their concerns you know fit in this bill maybe not enough experience whatever it may be i will not and i repeat this i will not allow personal attacks on anybody the moment that happens i will stop you immediately make myself clear yes this is not to be taken as a as a kangaroo court or anything of that nature we are here to do a job these people have volunteered their representation at that point in time yeah so before we move on to the names i would like to go over or are there any questions corrections to the are to a consider whether establishing the county manager form of government for the county of maui would significantly improve management and operation of county government and i'm uncomfortable with the word significantly simply because it  there are a lot of things within this that may not be measured in financial terms and are not going to you know what's significant to me may not be significant to mr guzman or or and to the other members so  quite frequently maybe two tree times a month i don't know if they will have to decide if they're going to get the job done in one hundred eighty days frequency of meetings are going to be very very important do you believe that you can make sure that you're did all these meetings  i believe i can be there at almost every meeting state water commission is something that i'm committed to when i commit to something i take that very seriously and we made third wednesday  each month in honolulu and that's an obligation that i don't feel i would be good be right to put aside but with that in mind i will make every effort  active in the community and also served on several advisory committees in the past i believe that he's a resident of maui and is well respected within the cost of the do we have consensus excuse me and i always ask for the spelling of every name ok all right let's not get personal let's go continue please i find mr haynes to be very involved in the community and being a good business person i think it would be good to have somebody with that been on many boards and he knows how to be involved in these types of meetings with the president of the community association she also happens to chair knowing timber of commerce has been very involved in boards and commissions i'm very pleased to nominate her because she not only brings a great deal of skill and knowledge of government but she also has an uncanny ability to work very well in that group brings the cultural aspect that was brought up that we'd like to see   board meeting so i was able to discuss his family members and everyone was in full support so i really would like to ask my colleagues to support her to do a good job for us he's a busy woman but shows up at meetings takes her responsibilities seriously and lives in the district and also lives in the district no question also has said that if she has to divest yourself of other things this will be a and again one of those civic members of our community for many many many years has served cold in the house and has been on many and largely for me to i think he brings not only a perspective from the legal aspect  you community member and he does leave i have a chance to do that and he has a property right next to where my son has property so i know where he lives  brings a fresh young family oriented perspective to this whole thing i noticed a slate of people already chosen here today have a lot of background you know long term historical type  involvement tamara comes new to this in a sense but she's not new to the community she's not new to the thinking of our in our community or our up income mean family and also she does work within current leave the county and as we all know she did run for a seat which got gave her that perspective and if there's an idea of a conflict coming up with this initiative going on to th i do know that she is not looking to run in a political campaign so with that hopefully i covered all my basis in regards to that so i do have a specific question for you and i w believe she'll have the time to do all of this along with her family right and thank you for that question sure because it was brought to her and her answer is definitely yes she has a time is that important to her and the future not only to yourselves in this committee but of course your children to be all that children grandchildren the night but i'm just being a you know a family i know the dynamics i made a promise to my wife never to run for politics until my children were finished school and i know understood why and today i saw the family struggling with that i do not want to put anybody to death kind of a struggle that's underway but we tried to question and thank you in very fair and i'd of course did ask that question so on her behalf she said yes she can meet th or you for mr carroll's concern thank you very much no i don't know anybody else have any concerns or questions in that regard or anything i want to be fair if that she would be a potential candidate because we were concerned about day when we talked about the other day and that's been allayed and the second thing is her ability to get off from her life duty to attend these meetings we're going to have to charge her with that responsibility i think anybody taking this better take it seriously and show up because we have a lot of issues and i don't want to good there so people need to be honest if they can do it do it if they can't they need to say no but i'm ok thank you i think she brings because this is where i think we will now i know consensus is not going to be there and we're going to have to fold on these these different members and so first of all i will take the privilege of the chair to name the first one  and all of us know dave again for the publishing navy has been a very active political entity in this island also a very strong community leader he's a yes with the board of realtors bodies looking to retire in the very near as he has that perspective he's worked with many many of our nonprofits and other groups and he and his wife have been very active in this community so i put forward the name of david early on and this one now shows that maj shaffer has a good working knowledge of how the county manager systems can work my recollection is the county where she served as a  person or a supervisor had just a county manager and the neighboring neighboring county or city had a mayor form where you have a county manager and the mayor extensive knowledge of this community as well and i think he would be a very good new face if you will think you think it's fair and i see knowledge of these different types of forms of government governance so i'd like to see her part of the discussion at that table and she is also my large nominee thank you i think that several of us have spoken in favor of dave dooley on and i don't need to repeat what's been said and i think he'll be a tremendous asset i've had the opportunity to work with him during my tenure here on the council and i can always count on him to be an excellent resource or to ring the bell when he thinks there's something i need to know about like recently when we had that whole says he was the one that alerted me i would have missed it works well in a group and is willing to commit a busy man i had talked with him and he said this is important and i will definitely commit if i'm chosen thank you just so that we can procedurally move on i will put up first of all  support the other three were more singular sold what i would like with no objections is to bring those two names up and they would be mad schieffer at large and the other one would be dave at large and that would be my recommendation for the at large do i hear me so i got to make the motion so when you have to do this don't ask me i forgot how i got there any oh mister i have a recommendation that i would lie to bring forward amendment to be added to the resolution number two be it resolved that there after the special committee will remain kuntz to constitute excuse me constituted only until the council proposes a county governance charter amendment to be placed on the two thousand and sixteen general election ballot or until september thirtieth two thousand and sixteen whichever comes first second it's been moved by submitted this proposal and i think it makes great sense so that that group can either answer because we're going to have to deliberate this if it comes up ok we're going to need them to be still around  and b is if and when it gets on the ballot there's going to be a time of education and maybe they can hold public meetings around and just educate people about why you know how this is going to work so whichever comes first that's correct seen no more discussion all those in favor signify by saying i  this where as would have that one council member will be put on this committee as a non voting member to work as  and i go to i just was going to be controversial because i was told this today that as a standing committee we should have one council member at the meeting at least one now we member one in three we want to different numbers  we have serious concerns about the application of the call so rules to this special committee but again and you've done it before thank you was a of one of the members of the council to be the to act as a power act as efficiently as effectively as a train facilitator so i would i would original they didn't want any members the committee but knowing that you know we have a legal recommendation here and i'd like to pay attention to our legal advisers because that's what we have them for my of second concern is if it's only one of us and we should be there at every meeting what's going to happen we should maybe have one in an alternate or something because maybe that person cannot go to everything and if it's employed and we have someone from us there that maybe we need  it is our offices position and if asked to put it in writing that your consul rules cover council members and councils committees and special committees and we end up of communities however the question is can you appoint a totally special total special committee made totally non members we don't know the answer to  white my sense is that we we should have a non voting council member on the committee and i agree with this by so that we do have an alternative as well  the number may change for you currently number seven if you want to what do we do this the motion is that one column some member of the consul one council member of the council shall be on the committee as as the way the resolution is set up that it would make a recommendation in writing to this full body so we're the one of you want to have you on this special committee i don't think that would matter because the interim report a special committee that has no council members a special committee on land to see what it is what special i'm not certain in which the rose so that if it ever gets to the legality and gets into the legal system we did what we believed to be right and we took the advice of our county our corporation counsel and made all the  i'd like to nominate the alternate  would like to make my recommendation i would like to recommend that this resolution that has been brought forward along with the names that have been put in  adopted and sent to the full cultural so moved that include filing the yeah i guess so you got to file the communication here so i thank you for that remind and filing of the community and non substantive changes committee of council i don't believe we can waive council rules thoroughly as possible and that we had no bias or no political agendas but to do what is right for the people off my week and i want to think each one of all your members i want to thank the public for timeline that they will have to follow i think we could do it at the council meeting yes i think we can do that at the council meeting i will allow that at the council meeting but we will make sure that this is part of the reports that those in the rest  think it's work well worth being done correctly so with no further discussion comments this meeting of the policy intergovernmental affairs committee for november fourth two thousand and fifteen is now a