this is a cause i judicial panel and ask you to raise your right hand and swear to tell the whole truth under penalty of perjury ok thank you tell us a little bit about your design review application and what you want to do any comments or questions about th anything anyone from the public would like to comment on this agenda  thirty one heinsberg road who is here for the applicant hi jennifer if you could raise your right hand so tell the whole truth under penalty of perjury thank you very much and he disclosures to on the board because we've done business together but nothing related to this ok thank you very much you know i would guess it would be roughly in the you know ten thousand dollars range that you know hundred acres is really a lot of land for the surveyors to traverse around i think we had your people do a ten thousand dollar one for only about seven acres of my question was to say that i don't think it's worth having them spend that money to do something that would have such a little impact so i'm fine with waiving the requirement t anyone any other comments i don't even hear from the public that would like to comment on this project item number seven preliminary final plan application s d eight hundred thirteen of standard braverman development company l l c to subdivide five point five three acre parcel into five lots ranging in size from point five seven acres to two point one acres and to adjust the boundary line between the previously converted point six two acre right of ways meant to the city of south burlington and a six four point two acre lot for the purpose of conformance with official map three ten market street who is here for the applicant  or building trade facility a portion of the proposed road work is located within a stream buffer require a conditional user of you intend lime rock road through is your for the applican code district and we're proposing to create five lots on this parcel that's just over five acres and if you have it in front of you  application in to the planning department under the foreign base code for a lot c which will be a sixty unit apartment project  as part of this final application we've been working with city staff on this will be the first section of garden street and if you recall the city recently approved and in terms of the form base code review a majority of this property falls within that t for transit for transit for zoning designation with this small portion they propose some language that we went back and forth on and were perfectly comfortable with the language that marla drafted in her document our initial plans are to construct the full roadway from market street to the driveway where you see an easement coming through betweens lot see indeed along with a six foot sidewalk in a ten foot bike path as we move forward with the development of light b and d we have an agreement with the planning staff that they'll be language in each of our form base code applications that all essentially make the occupancy of those buildings or future projects subject to the completion of sidewalks and other improvements  we also have an agreement with the city that if the city were to move forward with the connection of garden street might as drive that we would complete the full road as well  so other than that i think that's pretty much it on our side in terms of you know we're thinking that this is pretty straightforward and we're looking forward to getting moving on a lot c and we're certainly have been answer any questions if you read the  the comments to the com not you know they all look you know perfectly fine and i've had lots of conversations with marlon she's doing a great job why apologize i've been out of town for five days and didn't get a chance to read this and read this why is there a boundary to just been happening between lots b and c for car and streets that just in order to line up garden street correctly yeah i think that's exactly it there was a previous road alignment there was a previous easement that was granted many years ago for that and just out of this this  this modification is now accurately aligned with the current market street plants can the comment to reflect the sixty four foot for the boat right away that's but nobody's going to be accessing the right this is the correct forty six forty five forty five foot wide charities but yeah and honestly i'm not sure i fully understand the history of not your typical like storm order pond so it's going to be a gravel wetland so it will be a little more user friendly should we say you know it's not going to necessarily the city may need access to it so that trucks he's going to be adding a couple of paved parking is going to pay the parking lot at a couple of more spaces to accommodate because this is where he's going to have his offices for his business he wants to move here from where he's located right now in burlington so he's proposing a pay parking lot had a couple of spaces for employees landscaping fence dumpster pad storm water treatment and a couple of the to work better with the psych raid slopes from east to west down toward the floodway floodplain and stream that's on the west side the building so that is  brief description and provided a landscaping plan plant list lighting play and specifications that are all in the package that you've received have you read the you stuff comments i have to go over the years we go through the points and read ok number one about naturalize mix of grasses and the applicant is fine with that we can update our plans to have a seed mix for any disturbed areas within the buffer and we can there can be a nomo condition within the the stream buffer to the applicant doesn't have a need to use that area for the west side of the building as well and i'm sorry i don't have a laser pointer but in the southwest corner of the parking lot right now there's a little snow storage bubble kind of by the curve of west side where the hand is and half of that falls within the fifty foot top of bank buffer so i guess i would just probably move that closer to the east between the existing tree there's kind of a triangle formed between the property the southern property line that of the parking lot and that tree right where the hand is so i think that is area sufficient for us no storage and then the other place they can do is  parking lot is so big because it needs the news room for trucks to circulate and get in and out of the building in the back but there's going to be areas on the site that will be evident in the winter where trucks don't go so you can pile snow in the parking lot where are my suggestions to address number two in number through we have yes we've corresponded with dave and we will increase the four  feet we removed one of the plant species from the acceptable gravel one planting list because it would it is not suitable for continuous condition of water but all the rest of the species that we have so one of the trees the one of the trees that's being removed in the front yard is now a dead tree and we wouldn't be it wouldn't be removed if it wasn't dying so we're just replacing it in kind with the whatever tree it is now which actually a big clump of trees that just never got mowed i mean it's not really anything valuable and the landscape architect has indicated that if those continue to grow given their cluster in their proximity the break off and  more of a hazard anyway so he assigned no value to that subtracting the trees that he assigned value to from the landscaping total we still have a number higher than the landscape budget required by the l d r's and he achieved that by adding three more lilacs to the existing landscaping plan that we have already submitted so you don't have that landscaping plan but we'll add those in when we set the final plans and it's a it's a big cluster of many saplings that have grown together so it's and i don't have a photograph with me but it's a it's hard to say what the caliper is there's probably you know ten or twelve two inch caliper two different caliper shoots coming out of that cluster and then that lie lock i get i don't have a caliper but the landscape architect thought it was about three hundred seventy five dollars for the value well i don't like the way that the south burlington does this but you have to replace trees caliper for caliper i don't care what he says because i've been through this enough times and paid the money to do it you can't just say it's worth three hundred dollars and get away with that if you have a sixteen inch tree and you need sixteen inches of caliper to replace it raise disagrees with me on this maybe if it's dead you get away with it you know so a sixteen inch tree that's dead has to be replaced with sixteen inches of tree and that is either you know you could you pick a two inch trees it can be four four inch trees but you have a lot of trees to be replace it right and i mean i guess i understand the requirement if the tree is living and removed we were removing it for the purpose of this development but because because it's a tree that is dying and they may have replaced it anyway not as part of the project they wouldn't have replaced it with eight two inch caliber trees you know it would have been a one for one swap replacing a dead tree with that's that that's the i mean i've been through this a bunch i totally disagree without south burlington does this but this is the way south burlington does it you know so i am telling yeah i know and i just got a problem here that if a tree dies on somebody's property like a tree has been growing for twenty five years and it's you know a sixteen inch tree and it dies you then need to if it's in your youth it's in the backyard of your house and you're not part of the developed nations require that round landscaping on the property be maintained so if a twenty five year old tree dies because said by lightning whatever  you need to replace on a caliper by caliper basis under our landscaping section the idea is to not diminish the amount of landscaping on the property that's why it's been done for the last number of years and john is correct he's had to go through it himself on other properties and for you so without that information available we may need to have this continue to a future meeting have information about the caliber of the trees that are being removed so that we know really basis is and then a plan showing the replacement of the number of caliper elsewhere on the property doesn't have to be and the particular location you could be someplace else operating right i mean that you know the applicants not trying to get away with anything here they would wish to fully comply with the requirements as they are and is it something that the board could condition that we you know measure the caliper and if that in the state of officer can agree that we have we've met the zoning regulations that the bar to be ok with that board can approve the plan so ever since then we've been requiring that the plans that the board approved that the board actually sees the plan plus we also need to have our city arborist review any changes to landscaping plan of course and we're happy to have  review that i just was trying to come back in from the board for that's the issue i totally get it and if you want to come with me to argue with us somewhere else i'll be with you but this is this is the way the rule is all right as the recommendation rate and number six and then the applicant we'll also update the construction details on our erosion control measures to specify the four inches of the motion to continue this for  last time on the agenda is for the second last time agenda is minutes we have the minutes from may first does the board a chance to review those minutes and are there any