please take a minute to look over fourth of these items executive session minutes as well as regular session minutes maury so we have a movie if we approve the regular session minutes is there a second for that we have a second from commissioner thompson all those in favor of proving a regular session minutes from november eighth we say i while we have different dates here or are it says here november tenth for executive session minutes and it should be november eleventh ever eight ok barring that change of the date on our executive session comment was that why aren't we charging parking fees when they're being charged at state parks and national parks now i know you know what i've heard a lot of discussion about this but i just thought it was something that we should have a discussion about to find out if it's something can be done to help to support parks and can the council and you know having this discussion and dialogue to perhaps make that happen so i did have a brief discussion with the director and with the council staff that was there and so they all recommended that we bring it to this commission so that we could all really debate it and slice  the policy so please director of the floor is yours and you like to know let the commissioners know what the questions are i don't know all of them got them where they remember them but just so however you'd like to handle it so you know s so those are the things that you know are currently in place the department is already working on concession language with the council on that is what i look for about a week or two ago just starting that process of concessions going whatever fees that are accumulated from their women to go back to the kemal beach park fun you know and just making that up currently right now so that is the goal that we see ourselves going through a massive department and see where we can get some of those costs on you know some of the parks you know going to this list and not doing a bunch of nine but just in general the current state parks that are being feed right now is yelp beyond needle and it's five dollars per car they get about twenty thousand a month in revenue that by twelve so that is a state revenue generation that is going to put our current car we do have a big concern with the al even better the state as well because they have the infrastructure one as well as halakha law they charge twenty five dollars a car oh man i believe just currently that twenty seventeen about twenty five dollars a car and i believe reservations know all about it from their policy but from what i'm reading and hearing that reservation system is going to kick in well same as the elderly so again those are some of the things that we see and again when asked what areas possibly that would be a revenue generation and with the multiple user groups that some of those master planning to get it in the stages still yet but having something like a shower guard shack or a checking stand as you enter come out of the park and again with our tourism market that are getting those beach carts you could try to feed their your locals and com with driver's license could be free total just in conversation nothing put in stone as a list as another areas that vice chair is that would be possibilities again since  getting a fee is where we record the state to see how can we either half later get some kind of revenue from that source or in a partnership but again those are just very minimal talks and with the shutdown of the way currently don't have an answer for you all of our revenues from parks go to churches that were funded to the general fund as a different thank you do you know if you're a net contributor to the general fund i mean what level of contribution of the mon paying through our taxes already but we have a high number of visitors to come here that i know would feel the same way about paying for their your parking around cars and they are taking up space you know so that was what i was thinking i don't want to it's about as i recall four point nine percent of the entire budget and the parts department budget is tell me if i'm veering in correctly total maybe about twenty nine point eight million and so the tab is actually it's thirty six point nine million it's five point two percent but when you look at the three most important causes cost to the county it's five it's police first different from any other place that i've ever seen in the in the states that other parts like the national park service has partnered with subaru i don't know really if you've watched those commercials and they are a pain they've really are paying for the removal of trash in national parks so they have a different kind of subsidy that is private supergroup is doing that for the national parks the parks we used to work with in the parks department we had a private foundation costs so this is just the first big toe into that for a of creating those relationships to lower the cost for the local maori residents but raise the bar in terms of the types of services and quality of the facilit so there's many things that can happen but to me this is the first big toe in the water to try to you know i think a discussion of what is very important i think so to do a thing also it's to live a lot with i think that you know the local taxpayers shouldn't have to bear and yes the visitors are paying a portion they pay a portion everywhere in every state in fact you pay the highest fees for rental cars anywhere in the services that you're trying to offer so we have to do like say ok this is it or are you going to keep coming here do you the beaches are no longer beautiful or if the turtles don't visit anymore because there's a lot of things from garbage or or maybe there's invasive species whatever the thing is you know in this plant was so impressed because they looked at all those things and they had great thought about what to do with the historic pond when to know she's just not involved in this stuff anymore who we used to have discussions with or many years prior to me living here and you know they basically she said that she thought that it would be good you local school that's even going to be part of that most honestly yet but they're going to change every other year yet but still yet what i'm saying when you try to go buy tickets the tickets are first going to the boosters first before it comes to locals for that so i'm looking at this at five thousand dollars compared to what they're making off this tournament this is this is this is not this is not right this is not right at all this need this needs to be something that is it should be exempt from the what they're being charged because this is a this is a national thing designate areas that shouldn't be and so i mean i think windsurfers and those types should be charged a fee for the use on a daily basis just like a like a ski resort does the yes i mean you know all sorts of things that can be also added into the probability  tax dollars that are being generated there you know is it is it worth it in a very broad scheme if you put a balance sheet to it said ok you have funds a lot of good and i think the other question i want to ask because you know we have we we mean the county or the parks department specifically done a pro forma to say you know this by increase it by cordiality and more if well the county something that some of the activities that are charged for an for access in the water there is no one hundred twenty five thousand dollars a me yes yes yes you know and if you get if you want to if you are you went to a system where the number of permits were limited and people had to bid on them if you really see what the market was for them you know you saw i mean i think i think now i think we're definitely under charging for activity access through the parks to the water and then that's also the you know we touch on a little bit but you get into the you know maintenance fee a parking parking fee is paid for the use of that if this if you're not here for park purposes and you're there supporting private interest then you should be something that's ok because public land is comment john about really that the basketball tournament is just bringing more business to miley and we have any policies that same i mean it's sort of like parks are a loss leader from only businesses but you're saying and i do we have anything that says maintain our parks at a level that allows us to subsidize the business community or that we maintain our parks so that we attract businesses for the visitors i mean people for the visitor industry understand i'm saying that it's really about you know these are along the way you see the broader benefit as you said john so is there any kind of policy in the county that says we want to keep those fees low in order to continue to attract people to maui county for the visitor industry yeah i think that it was i think the attitude is you do it's a service and they get immunity for the local while years ago because i remember the last time i was there it was completely full and it ruins the natural environment for months it's gone very difficult to get back so i just think that  need to not just saying well you know these are just good questions but i think the premise is that we are not charging enough to even to maintain the parks with my opinion based upon how i see all the like throwing water into a toilet literally great so the other the other part of this is what you said previously about that there's a probably a limit to how much usage you can any parking at because once you start to charge people to use something the people who can afford to pay for paid can continue to pay to the point that there may not be a resource left for the people who aren't paying so i mean it becomes a whole matter of you know how how do you want to structure who's actually using the park and i say what the reason i started with parking is because it's who has you know it says who brings in a car because you don't want to penalize people to use the par and want to walk across the street you don't want to charge people for just walking into a park so it doesn't limit who can use the park but it's where the facility the first thing that people try to do is find parking and that also ok that's a first cost that's the easiest thing that we can stay clean and now there's other things you can do in facilities you can you know they have reservations for all their facilities or community centers or things like that i'm sure he can give us numbers of what the usage is which is probably was local what's you know visitors things like that i think those things are already there but i just wanted to start the style i understand your print i mean you're primarily thinking about the beaches you really need to start with and  to start with because we we want to get something i think on our hunger perfect because of what they're planning to conflicts through their head it's like to all the things that would probably be considered in other parks you know seeing there became so good without being said is that all of these continued growth with parks which is a great big but as you continue to grow it we've got to continue to step into funding for the especially i would say look at the specialty parks like you mentioned it from a rural area that's very commercial heavy it's hard being mom has become a destination now it's grown credibly over the past few years know how to be were having a big issue there  community there is saying it's not there it's those tour buses that are coming down they're using the infrastructure of the county and the fees be assessed for that so we can go into some of the repairs so yes you can do we can get some of those costs we're working on as a former visitor you know i want visitors to come here because that's how we all make our living to you we're all dependent on the visitors coming here and i hope that never stops in fact where we're you know great we should be like coming here and everything but we just need to be i think a little better prepared to handle the volume of people that come here and that's also to me important to protect our environment so it's not anything against visitors or anything it's just they also have an expectation for there's certain things that the president's used in golfing is very personal and you know like you know i would even go there to start with this is start with the parts because again if if if if the public has already said no we don't want to do that i go down that dot com out and give a total rebuttal of what you just and then who's the actual bit council is that group we never get the support of the group that we really want to hear that we speak for and when it's really time to make that difference you're trying to make it i don't know what well i think that i think you can delineate between the commercial activities in parks and i mean there's no commercial activity at the community pools i mean that's a good better service getting no business for anybody either you work with us and we regulate together so you come up with a solution that works for both of us or not go ahead you're getting a solution imposed on you and that's you know you've got to get them even just this was initiated the very first and we'll be going back and forth with some changes here but that'll open up that as well as well as partnerships for park stops maintaining our current as you know we have the union rules that we got to follow by  why it is businesses should it be increasing despite the information that they're getting a good deal or a relatively good deal out of our corporate media system so there's about one hundred change permits out there on the for the first time in three years so you know we need the one thing we need to remember as well and you know we're coming from the outside coming in is that even if we run one hundred percent even if we were food capacity as an everyday part of  we never are always short staff you know for vacation from whatever may be with the aspect of it so it's a tough one to use say are we for stuff i could be but even with all of that you know workman's comp whatever it is happen overnight you know also things like that they were looking into the apartment and taking accountability for those aspects of maintenance and i will turns out again is the homeless issues that we have to be trucks it's hard for us to keep up we cannot keep or we somebody needs to be done on that aspect it's a lot of question a lot of thought but we are the housing we are housing to be concerned for the homeless there you know we can see that so we are housing homeless right now and it's a way bigger issue than parks are but it as we continue to get these nice green space passes space jaws if you probably would ever be it's the management of it is where we need to go with the management of that because you go in any open space th there and i'm sure there will be during our discussions other little bits of information i would like to see any reporting that you have you mentioned a performer that you have done before and some of these areas we'd like to see as much information that you have done was to score  your support we give you the same disclaimer that we give to everyone else that comes in here and that any analysis that we do any information that we do what we pass through your department before it goes into our reports still have an opportunity to look at anything that we receive anything that we've done that we all in the end we understand that we know at least i feel that you're a basic core service to the community and i don't want that to change i mean to be simple we could just figure out what the fees would look like if we were self sufficient and i think that would microscope as you know to your eye you pay more for your electricity than anybody else in the united states and quite possibly quite an awful lot of people in the world and the reason that you do is that your energy at sixty or seventy thousand which is way protecting yourself and ideally self moving forward that i have not been any real use for work in the united states personally are being concentrating on the on the hospitality side but the concept and the applications are very much similar in that how one equipment at the end of that  smaller and then there's no there's no maximum obviously you know the building that takes what what can one actually do see if this is something that that can go along we're running up on the edge of our time here just a we're going to go to the end of our schedule here we have here are two points loss of the risk management topic you don't mind we're going to defer that to next week i'm sorry brad i'm sorry there any objections to it i'm going to pass along a list of the safety officers now these are employees with title safety officer now that doesn't mean that they're the only ones who are in charge of safety there may be others but they're the ones who are and ask them if it's ok to send that information tell them we've already identified who your safety officers are but we may not have all of them so please tell us if there are any others that out on that are in charge of this task within your departments i'll take a look at it if we're ok i'd like to get it done before next month meaning quickly we can get it out before christmas time because otherwise we're not going to hear anything about it for another two months so if it's ok with everybody you know if we we trust brad and john and good christmas break or even though it's not next month i mean for january meeting i'd like outlines for a report doesn't have to be anything i mean i'm looking for five sentences you know five bullet points is all that i'm looking for but just now we have some structure for what we want to do don't think we need to go to in depth if we're just providing information for exist this coded information versus some of the other things that's good that's a good start for providing relevant information if however your analysis has progressed for instance the risk manager went to a place where you can actually say ok we don't have enough people looking in to safety we want to recommend that there is these connections be taken that's even better you know fantastic but you know i don't think that the report that and how many years i think they are on track you know i do country pull up your alley so that might be our answer there for why they have so few safety officers because they contract out so much of the work but of in which case we have to go who does it all right so i'd like to see an outline from our three topics some looking at dr john stanford and but just in a life for the parks thing of what you what you want to put into the report i think based upon i mean just focus on