here a detached single family dwelling constructed with a minimum of six foot clear separation between the adjacent structures within a condominium project where common ownership of land under that definition if you have a structure regardless of how far it is separated whether it's six feet ten feet fifteen feet twenty feet whatever if it's in a condominium development it's the find as being a patio home and the significance of this is that all patio homes must have fire protection systems in the form of residential sprinklers what's being to condit mediums i can this is important from a couple different perspectives i know that the residents of hidden have had a concern because of the failures of some of their systems my concern with regard to the ordinance as it exists right now is that we are in a position where we are encouraging alternative homes and home styles such as was approved the ch we're on but many of those people i think want to move into what we would consider to be a patio home move there because they want to downsize and not have the responsibility doesn't certainly having to take here  so much property we've created a situation where a condominium development peters down ship could no longer occur unless the developer or the builders were paired with the homes so one of my concerns is  that that the fact that a home is situated in an area where there is common ownership has nothing to do with fire safety the only thing that has to do with fire safety a separation of homes and so on to the ordinance what is being proposed now is that evolve home is between six feet and fifteen feet of separation those would be spring but anything beyond fifteen feet just as every other home in peter's  s but in terms of the administration of this what we would says that if you had a home that was separated by more than fifteen feet and did not require sprinklers you would have to come in and get a building permit at that point the building the specter or go out make a determination as to whether or not to truly was at least fifteen feet of separation he would also do an inspection of the home to make sure that the construction of the home  wasn't done in such a way that that required sprinklers to be there the back to have sprinklers your home in some regards eases some building requirements and we can't tell that until we inspect each of the homes finally you would be if you go ahead with this you would be required to disconnect the sprinklers in such a way that they would be permanently disconnected and that the heads that show through in the living spaces would have to be removed so that nobody would go into that home as a new homeowner in assumes the home was breakable and it was so you would effectively shut the system down but you would also remove any evidence that would the things that the fire department has suggested i in total agreement with this is what we don't want is to have systems out there that are being turned on and off we want to know what it is exist in that permit is issued in that work is authorized to go ahead what we will know is that that building meets the current seven the absence of sprinklers there are other are suppression  right this is just an estimate i think there had been measuring going on by the township previously there's certainly been going on by the homeowners i will tell you that when it comes time to make a determination we will do it based upon compliance with the national fire code and how that applied here we're not clear but that aside i don't think that's relevant at this point because quite honestly from a township standpoint this is a better this is a better resolution because these homes at this point will not be it be sitting out there is a very in studio code they will be in compliance with your co go but my point my point to you mr lewis would be that that regardless of the size of the home in peter's township with fifteen feet of separation we've we deemed that to be a safe my position has not changed since we started off on this project two to nap years ago i understand what you're talking about as far as a definition problem with the system that in  regardless as i said they were they were initially put in i think did it once we do this now we're going backwards we have to get the sprinkler systems in you know what to basements a lot of the base would would not have had to have the drywall in the basements to protect the first floor from the from the basement there had to be a separation there there's either there's there's other things or using you know away and being laminated being birches you know actually trusses so that it's caught it's turned a lightweight construction it gets more involved in that one of the issues that go along with this is we had one time the homeowners association was in fact monitoring the a lot of the structures as a i guess as a part of their their homeowners association feed there was one monitoring so we've gotten so far away from where we initially started with this ten now because we're going to change a name or a definition of a patio home versus what they have there to me is kind of i think we're four past that one that one is the government was going in and we sat with the developers and the builders and we discussed this and you would have thought at that point if they had issues where were they were going with it they should have in fact brought that forward there was no computer was there was no construction appeals and and deals cut to try to you know circumvent putting the sprinklers in they wanted to just develop this property you know the properties were sold as sprinkler properties and the properties are given a discount by the insurance companies for a sprinkler property so what happens with that i mean are we go chase them around to tell him he's going to go talk your insurance company because each other's company feels that the building has been sprinkler once you remove the sprinklers that changes the that changes the the the premium on the property so we've been through this a with insurance companies backed the sprinklers one hundred percent you're going to have water damage and i think that we've proved over the past that there were issues in the construction phase of those structures and that is what caused the freeze up to this point we met with plenty of the homeowners up there with the thermal imaging camera there we went through everything we we spent a lot of time and as far as six or eight or ten feet or fifteen years seventeen but that's all all spring for property so they sell they move on i don't you know you've heard all these gas monocle prices of ten to twenty thousand dollars extra for the sprinklers and you know right now currently we are using in part of the code it's good it's it it's a system that is tied in with your domestic it's fine with the promote the attic so from there as i said my position is not changed because of the definition of the pattern my position is that the systems were installed as as required in the very beginning there was no no contest at that point i believe that once the township goes out and starts looking at these structures i think that the i think that mr smith alluded to the fact that once you get there and there's an issue with the building that you know you may need to have all these upgrades how are we going to handle that i mean we're going to be with that either going to have to stay with your system or make all bed the building's vector or go out and make a determination as to whether the separation exists then would do an inspection in the home to find out whether the home meets the current code if it does not you would then have a choice either bring down current code and disable the system or leave the system in place and one thing more could you have brought up about the want our separation if you can't really see the sides or some corner of the of the separation you'd actually have to drill into that separation to see how thick that piece of material with this you know a happy piece of drama water a piece of drama going to go five h p s that is rated so there may be some it i believe i personally believe that we open we're going to open a can of worms that's my opinion i believe that the sprinklers do their jobs yes they've had some problems we haven't had any problems i think it was a lot of education a lot of people went back through it do whatever it is he needs to do to make a determination in this profession in that the building meet because so it could be going back and looking to the drawings that were submitted at the time when the building permit was filed it could be going out and doing  all the changes how many meetings we've had how many times i've spoken to you but if you few things we should get right to right now every unit is monitored by a guardian in the neighborhood so each person pays for their own morning and it is done every year second thing or there were thirty malfunctions not a few ok the reason we haven't had anything in last year is this is the nicest  we've had a long time that's the only reason we don't have any below zero days constantly where it was really bad the wind was blowing through them true we've gone through we've done a lot of insulation up there people put on dewar's we've gone through all that but we did go to the construction appeals board and the construction appeals board agreed and i have their paperwork right here it's a degree to take the first step was to go ahead and allow people to shut off sprinklers in the garage because if you go through all the paperwork and all of the requirements in all the building permits and even the chief admits you shouldn't have them in the garage they were put in the garage they were put in their that should go ahead forward check with mr barr as mr maher did go to the state and see if we could amend it because it was a little bit a little bit much to the units of boom or more than six to fifteen feet would have to have  needs of the forty you'll probably have twenty people that are going to come forward and ask for tops they're going to shut their systems off of the twenty most of them are slab homes so there are no basements and now as far as the construction materials i don't know to date did they cut down the quality of the of the construction just so they could put sprinklers in i don't know i offer the chief to come into my house you can look through my whole basement see my basement is i have one of the few houses it is does have a basement it's a driveway and in the back in there are no pre stressed beams everything is regular old two by fours two by sixes two by two by tw question i would pose is this is based on experience as you might suspect mrs brooks is a pretty good cook and i do have fire alarms smoke detectors in my home it is not uncommon practice for one of the smoke detectors to go off as mrs brooks prepares dinner and she can do that without burning the food as well but i'm certain that there are other situations in which the smoke detectors would go off my thoughts are that if i have a system that is hooked up to a sprinkler i could end up with a number of sprinkler advance without a true fire  freezing ok the third thing that i would wonder about is making certain that there's going to be some maintenance involved in maintaining these systems in working order how much would that cost the average home a large number of the potential we have a large number of farmers then then i would say this is something essential but on the other hand if this is something that doesn't occur very frequently and if the cost is perceptive taining really high then i would think about it from the standpoint of absolute necessity this could be a solution in search of a problem i mean i'm not i'm not sure and i don't know i just raise these questions as questions that you may want to dwell with going to be once we get there from one we select the bidder for this sim and we get some some good numbers we take that better to the site along with the power company and talk through the procedure and try to minimize the amount of new cation that we have to do so i'm going to have a preliminary cost hopefully by mid week this week and i can report  first question revolves around whether or not there should be space reserved inside the park for community outdoor pool whether that gets built now or later wasn't the discussion but rather would you reserve space to that possibly ball platform tents another record sports in the in the answer to that was yasin one of the the comments was and i do believe this to be the case this is an area where we have a facility that is shared by the school district and it would make sense to have this close to the to the high school as well the other and the next question what should the park be designed to accommodate community day if you were community day this year you can understand that park we have to day in the park with the park wasn't designed to accommodate it and i think there's ways that that that if we thought about community day when we were laying out to the roads and that that it would make more sense to move community day there  comedian concluded that to be the case as well the next question was about adjusting the property lines in order to locate the roadway on the edge of the properties and everybody is in agreement that that's what we ought to be doing if that means swapping properties back and forth to be able to accommodate the entrance or to accommodate the needs of the school district in terms of the bellman of the property we should be looking at this in choose and finally the question we had a discussion about the rolling hills country club and should it be retain the clubhouse and the the position of the steering committee was that it should not be  renovated but it should be raised in the concerns that that i knew that were expressed is the cost of the renovation we had to the to the architect who had done makinde actually believes that it could be as much to ice and bad depending on what it is the you wanted to do with that space if they the committee thought that even if you were able to renovated there may finally that he was concerned that given the location of the structure it might compromise other aspects of the site design including the roadway and access on to the property of all of those topics the one that i was hoping to get some currents from council is the whether or not they concur with the committee about not retaining their clubhouse and the reason why  't is it that location is critical to ords for both the school district and for our engineers to begin the layout the roadway system the services the the park in the school  well i think i think i've made my feelings on that issue pretty clear in the past and rereading the architect's report here i don't see any justification for keeping it  where actually it was going to be a question if you have in fact we determined they were not going to retain it i think both the fire department police department would like to be able to use your training to be i'd like to see if accolades to our public works department for the last six weeks i've had three individual pick ups of large amounts of twigs and tree that i placed next to the roadway these fellows did a significantly wonderful job of seeing to it that they cleaned up i was very happy it's one of the best services that this community can offer and as a matter fact i'm so in grace with what they've done that i've put some more down there for them for next i already am paying the bill but another issue which i think is is critical at least in my point of view as i travel through the township there are some situations involving our roads that leave me with a great deal of concern if you take the valley brook road if you travel toward lawrence on valley brook road just before you turn onto chest not lane on the left hand side before you come to the underpass which is undergoing rebuilding right now pardon if you know if you if you wait and that thing comes down and there's a school bus there i'd hate to be in your position not only would it be tough to sleep at night but i would hate to see what kind of a lawsuit could be brought against them for negligence but beyond that situation near buckeye there are a number of locations in the township in which we see dead trees in precarious positions which could fall or somehow break and not only block the road but potentially hurt someone also of late i've noticed some water on the roadway where it didn't exist before in other words cracks formed and there's water actually bubbling up through the crack in the in the road which makes me think that possibly we have a waterline break and course that could lead to things like  water towards one of the properties but if it doesn't last it's not the solution the solution is the pipe that water why haven't noticed that problem until this year oh trust me it's been there the neighbors notice because we get calls all the time ok very good but in the interim a potential help in dealing with these roadside problems might be to ask our police department to keep their eye peeled for these sorts of things and to report them i mean frankly they're patrolling the streets their public safety i would think this would be part of their responsibilities any time that they spot an abandoned car or they take action if they spot something else that doesn't seem to be in place they take action i would hope that they would be able to report these kinds of situations be it trees be a water whatever to responsible people within the department and hopefully we can get some action before they become an becoming members how they find out about their c p r classes that sign is the principal way in which they do that and so the design is important to them and in being able to update it easily i can understand why that would be the who's going key the county solicitor the county assessment office of the master assigned to the case they believe that is the stipulated value of seven hundred fifty two thousand four hundred is a fair settlement thousand and seventeen assessment on this property was one million three hundred ninety three thousand three hundred dollars the proposed settlement is one million ninety six thousand five hundred dollars in this particular case it will result in a substantial increase in taxes paid over the prior year it will be about sixty five percent higher than it was the per year from a commotion that we approve the settlement with will haven partnership i will say a second been looking at that he was looking at proposing a restaurant on the the property was assessed at one hundred fifty thousand in the settlement this proposed the seventy thousand dollars particular is the timing is good because with the in our unlike our neighbors we had an area that was designated as an extended service area which only this year will begin to receive services through bio's i'm unconvinced that they are going to have meet their contractual obligation to have that area's twenty five hundred dollars and the thing that's important about this is the way the pet dog process works is that there will not be improvements to intersections unless those intersections are studied ahead of time so this is no guarantee that there will be improvements my concern is that we don't assume any responsibility for the maintenance of that that connection in my discussion with amman jordan trail is that just as they maintain the trail with meters township they would be willing to actually started already yes just recently the other question i had was related to the planning meeting minutes  grain i've left a number of messages including one night i have not been able to get him to return my call but what i would share with you mrs merrill that it did i think you're right particularly in the i think all of your you can be the most talented person if you're not at the meeting that you know that that doesn't help the township so well this is shocking to me because from the two years i was on there we never had met some yeah we've never had this kind of issue to do so would have taken a contribution from the municipality they have recently rejected pursuing that when i saw that i think i believe that it may prove to be an opportunity for the township in the school district the facility they intended to build as explained to me by the the manager was a fifteen billion dollar facility that very they would have access to that for their swim team so instead of spending eight or nine million dollars in the school for a pool that only gets used a few hours for a few months they would be able to do it in entire fitness center so if the school is free put in that kind of value in terms of both ways and in some cash contribution it would be a fraction of the eight or nine million dollars that buildings get a cough any of the township  a bill for two and a hat million dollars and that would be a fraction of what it would cost the challenge with the why i believe not in the school district they have a point but for the municipality standpoint is they get gives access to residents that particularly lease the buy mine particularly with regard to the outdoor pool you would want to have a situation where you didn't necessarily have to be a wide member to drop below and databases in use