always my pleasure you are just a storehouse of knowledge regarding health and you're an m d but you do things a little bit differently than the average outside the box and we can call out side the box we're both there we both knew it that way you look at this root cause of problems and not just try to treat a symptom or sign and that's really what health care is is looking at the root cause and attempting  suppression that's correct so you do a bunch of different modes that all of these in your office and maybe we can get a little bit later on in the conversation talk about them but i want to focus on something you've been doing for the past three years you're a frequent guest on the radio show and i am twelve fifty that i have healthy pets healthy people and we've spread the word along with your lecturing that you do and i told you i am so shocked at the people that understand stem cells now and that's the focus of our conversation today stem cells what they are and what they can do as far as the healing properties that they have for the body love to talk about it so dr courtney first let's start off as what is a stem cell what what the heck is that it sounds kind of cool the stem cell but what it actually is it look these are the cells that are we can harvest that are blank meaning they haven't yet decided what they're going to become so medically that's an undifferentiated cells but the quetta gourd is undifferentiated the common word be a blank cell that can turn literally into anything but it has not decided to turn in that just anything for now so it's a cell with no identity it can become a nose and ear skin any organ of anything own bone for example absolutely and we can harvest these cells and we couldn't minister them now an attempt to try to deal with the health challenges of a lot of people and their issues this is a very exciting for medicine probably had its origination back in about two thousand and five the title of this medicine is referred to as regenerative medicine what you have proper name because you're actually rebuilding your rib rebuilding and regenerating brand new tissue but this concept of stem cells really is a that puzzling because you have to consider one fact and that is we were all every single one of us a cluster of stem cells in the initial days after our own conception before an embryo is even produced there's about three or four weeks of time when we grew in our mother's womb and a cluster of cells none of them had decided to become anything just yet at about the four to five  however embryo logical layers begin to develop and the decisions start to get made but this issue about stem cells is the origination of us all so it shouldn't be surprising to us that we can find these cells and harvest them and give them and essentially do what was originally done only we can choose the health challenges that we want to rescue people from i want to talk about the different types of harvesting methods that are used and the different types of stem cells sure but before we do that what medical conditions would i be seeking these stem cells for to prove my my situation in the arthritic conditions of the joint is an all too common phenomenon are orthopedic community deals with these and most definitive way possible ultimately joint replacement surgery is what's on the agenda these gentlemen do a wonderful job of replacing these joints yet what we're finding out now is this is really becoming an unnecessary surgery so when you say replacing the joint you're speaking of something artificial weatherby titanium or right sometimes even are they using ceramic components now i'd say the big three joints involve that the knee the hip and the shoulder various companies use all sorts of materials but the issue is at some point in the person's degenerative disease when all other options have been exhausted and the patient is old enough really have to you have to be old enough in order to qualify for joint because the joints that are going to replace it can't hold up so in your lifetime you have maybe two surgery possibilities of replacing an e r i would say that if you show up at your that predicts office at fifty you're too young to get a joint offer to you then you'll have to make it for another ten years at least because the lifespan of a of an artificial joint a synthetic joint replacement joy is about eight to ten years tops and then you're susceptible to infections and that joint artificial joint comes with any hospitalization and certainly as we advance in age our vulnerability puts an extra added amount of risk that maybe as a different time in our life we would have look it's wonderful that the orthopedic world has the skill set but what i'm finding is the if this skill is really becoming unnecessary that joints can be rescued can be regenerated pain can be eliminated pretty substantially in a high and a high percentage of cases with the use of stem cells so you're talking about the knee the hip and the shoulder other than location these joints different well all joints no matter what the joint have two bones in a meeting and i like to use the name because i think people can make  picture that so we have this large bone on top called the femur bone on the bottom called the tibia they meet there's cartilage in between them there's a membrane that surrounds the bone called the  strap ligaments and tendons and that is the consistency of any joint five components so when a disease process happens arthritis for example which is fairly common that arthritis that disease process begins to deteriorate those tissues and i have to say that i think all five fishies are always involved i know patients come to be and say well i don't have any cartilage i had  told i have bone on bone and which i think is kind of impossible it's an apt description and i think the medical community helps perpetuate but the bottom line is when you have a joint that has evolved to cause you pain discomfort every day all five tissues are intimately involved with that the sorter and then with that process disease process you end up having reduction and snowball flute which is the bath that helps keep that him yes yeah so so when a patient comes to you dr corney are you really concerned that it was an injury from sports or someone had fallen or arthritis does that really a concern of yours a very appropriate question because i would have to say in the use of stem cells the diagnosis is an important so if someone's knee is giving them problems because of osteoarthritis or rheumatoid arthritis or was good slaughters on the list goes on and on the pathology turns out to be in significant because the code that's going to be read by the stem cell is going to be your d n a and that hasn't changed since your own conception and so if we're going to recreate new joint reading that code is all that gets read the pathology never gets read so that that stem cell that blank and by the way a comment should be what took this so long so many of our vance's nowadays were quite used to it has been due to technology and there will be more advances as time marches on with that technology this particular advancement has nothing to do with technology because it's biology it's the way it has been since the beginning of time why it took all this time to get to this point is probably a question that i i asked more than mothers because really harvesting the cells isn't that difficult and ministering them pretty easy so this is a bit on the drawing board too long glad to see it's finally here th so what is actually the per the procedure the protocol when a patient comes to you for the stem cells well look i recommend that everybody listening that whose interest may be piqued and i think there's a very this is a very alluring topic when somebody hears the term some cell they begin to imagine geez i what they say things like i wonder if that could help my and then fill in the blank all the health challenges that could potentially fill in up for grabs here but i caution the public and i say to the public look don't move in the arena trying to find the stem cells without educating yourself and how to shop for those stem cells prior to becoming a physician you were a educational teacher you worked in a school system high school teacher so that has been you're modeller a from the get go and actually the definition of physician is teacher so you you continue that in your medical practice and every month just about i know you did have one for the month of december but every month you conduct seminars that are open to the public at no charge to educate people and want to stem cell is what the disease process is and what the stem cell can do about it and how to shop to know that the product is the best product to do the job so that would lead into explain the differences in the types of stem cells and how to use that word harvest i need you to explain what that means because you're not getting that from a corn field so would you do that for us look when this all began back in the early two thousand the source was only one and it was you we call that group of harvesting autologous because literally the patient done they needed either their fat or their bone  and then they extracted the stem cells from those body fluids and in ministered those same stem cells back to the same individual that made the person both the donor and the recipient all rol well it's the way it was it was as good as it got and it was where we all started we have really transcended that rudimentary beginning now so the autologous world probably the first i would have to the listeners of us today would be a tal of dismay have been wonderful in two thousand and five it is not the best way to do stem cells and today within the last six to eight years a new so what other human beings are you getting the cells from we have one source it's the proper source of these cells are all tainted from babies delivered by a scheduled c section and mothers who have been screened for health issues these are full term babies they are healthy babies there's no issue here with i understand the public concern about aborted fetuses that does not play a role in this at all when you use the word baby you're not harvesting the cells from the baby itself you're harboring the cells from and the ox and the  a time of delivery the newborn baby at that moment of delivery is see them with stem cells in their environment and so we harvest and take the or million cells so we are getting the full luminous number of cells the interesting thing there is those ten cells begin to divide so at the end result you're done you're doubling those cells each time they divide in my right well let's use that name as an example back again those who went back to it so we talked about with constructed a need to understand that all five of those tissues  thought a capsule and once we penetrate the capsule and deliver the stem cells into the capsule they can escape those cells are trapped in  just yet meaning they now assume identity they are going to declare to become a brand new and healthy one of whatever that happened to be it those that land on bone are going to destin to become bone and only bone once the decision is made you don't go back to the blank stage anymore from that point forward you can only divide the divisions happen about every three to six weeks so we say that that ten million randomly landing on those five structures is going to double every three to six weeks meaning ten million go to twenty which go to forty which go to eighty and so on until a critical mass gets reach that literally allows regeneration of a brand new joint when prior there was a disease doing and that can happen over a period of months that happens i think it's safe to say to that about six months  is i think the call the question time because by about six months what the benefits are at that point i believe that's will be the sum total but that usually is such a large improvement that people are very happy with where they are because they get out of pain number one and that's really what drives them there it's what drives in there i can tell you that the idea of having a joint replacement has been the ultimate solution but it's by the time it comes around and gets offered people really do get concerned about that sort of well you know i have a couple people that i know that i refer to you and you end up doing stem cells i mean there have been many people that have that i've talked to about what you're doing between particular had shoulder issues and they were lined up to have surgery one of that had surgery on a previous oh yes shoulder and when you saw them and it's hard for me i don't know if you can see this on t v but they had no range of motion whatsoever and just the other day this one person was doing this with no pain completely free the other person i know that had the same your pure protocol down with the stem cells says the best investment i ever made and he was short he was set up to be a patient for surgery to have an artificial joint look these surgeries  wonderfully they've helped so much but the think that what i've been seeing is that really the surgeons are becoming obsolete i don't see the need for many of them at all and your protocol your procedure is minimally invasive all you're really doing is numbing the surface of the skin and and searching a little needle into that joint sure i mean doctors who are treating these patients with joint disease oftentimes  steroids injections on the way to getting to the ultimate solution which is the joint replacement or they use how gann which is rooster come sort of the padding and and ministering that and entering the capsule for stem cells is exactly the way it was to do any of those other procedures they take just seconds but by putting their in those cases drugs and in this case stem cells miraculous things can happen what's the difference between stem cells and p r p very good brought up here p has been a procedure available to me as a medical doctor for years now peer piece stands for platelet rich plasma and with this is  fraction when we somebody comes to the office we take a blood specimen thirty six c c s of their blood distributed in the six test to put the six test tubes in a centrifuge then it spins it around really fast after about ten to twelve minutes the layers separate out all the cells go to the bottom of the test tube the clear fluid comes to the top and a little line of demarcation marks th the inner space between the area of the plasma just above that would do it really is a compressed air of white blood cells is very rich in growth factors in cytokines and has some amazing healing properties and so these procedures have been done for a long time now and they can be quite helpful but they're kind of temporary i think the point i probably would like to make is if anybody's getting p r p there are no absolutely and positively no stem cells in p r p so as long as it's being a promoted as something that really isn't stem cell phone ok with it it could be quite helpful you know i'm always talking health it's like you know don't get me on my rampage about being health and being well on things you can do here to improve your overall conditions so it's easy for me to have a conversation and get on a on on a rampage about something so one day i was talking to someone and they said they told me she said i had i had stem cells in my knee i went where did you go and started talking i suppose  i'm jogging thankful for all those benefits and i'm personally had some p r p done for i can dition and when i was doing the p r p it improved my my eye problem ok but the issue was you know you're constantly having to to have blood drawn how that's being processed get it to the lab to be processed the pharmacy to be processed and it was expensive and i think that when i first started doing it it was seven hundred dollars a month for me to have the done and because there are no stem cells in it the results can be just short lived and you have to go back and do it again thank goodness we have such a procedure that could give you maybe even the temporary relief that you've got but stem cells i find are definitive this is like one and done and i love to be involved with it it is pretty much one and done one injection one time and you see the results and we see those results does it ever take a second injection i've had now at this stage of my career thus rears about a little over four hundred patients i've only had one of those that ever asked for a second injection and the reason why i was asked for is after the first injection he had low back pain he was fifty percent improved he was quite thankful for that but he said to me doggone it i want the other fifty and we repeated the injection and thankful one time he was extremely thankful yeah i think it was it was a canada he was in at the time he's from canada he was a product of their medical system up there and he was involved in a motor vehicle accident one thousand nine hundred one i meet him a related and it's permanent damage can i as a twelve year old have stem cells i believe you can and should i think that the we talk a lot about the aging population and the degenerative diseases but we should not avoid talking about the younger individual who may have athletic injury because our young athletes oftentimes especially in sports like contact sports oftentimes are exposed to terrible blows which end up causing body parts need to be ripped removed from our yeomen it's because removed broken kneecap repaired here's where i think surgery and this is a good general rule to follow should always be the years resort absolutely and if we can put this in that perspective then what is the preceding but potential i believe should be some self you have your monthly lectures you educate people you tell them the do's in the doubts and you're actually not even trying to solicit them as your patients you want to you want them to be educated so that they have the knowledge to ask the proper questions so we we have numbers that are going up on the screen for anybody that wants to make a reservation she do need a reservation for this three lecture ok so go ahead you had you would say what i want to say something could you just give us a maybe a little inkling a few of the questions that people should ask their physician so i call this lecture now famous lecture by the way stem cells one o one that's very appropriate title because any kind you get in the educational system your first course in anything is called a one o one i mean there's english lit one o one well there are stem cells one a one and i believe it's the best perm or that i've ever put together to take a nut educated consumer and in one hour make them completely able to understand how to make the decision and which stem cell to allow to be used you and i call that empowering the patients absolutely do that so i give these lectures monthly look for them we you can call my office i know there's a number and i will be up on the scribe and we can tell you when the next one is however if you wanted to go and listen to that weapon are right now it's on my website so that you don't have to wait for the next lecture the entire thing is on my website if you just go to courtney medical dot com on the opening page six divisions of my practice come up one of them says cell solutions click on that they're just a couple keystrokes to get you into the web an order you really will want to attend a lecture if it is engaging and you just walk out there with such knowledge and i think it motivates people to to denham bestie eight you know i want this show is going to air in december here at the end of december and willard january you're your lecture is is monday the fourteenth of january your next lecture and then you have your eye protocol the following day on on the fourth on the fifteenth so they are free you just need a whole hold a seat make that reservation give the number on the screen the call still we can reserve a seat for it does corney we are at the end of the show i would remind everybody that i generally have dr courtney on around the first or second saturday of every month to talk about his stem cells on my radio program healthy pets healthy people on am twelve fifty the answer that's at nine o'clock every saturday morning the reason i'm mentioning that is here this is a recorded show people can't call and ask the questions on that radio show you have the opportunity to do just that sometimes they tune into that that is thank you so much for coming on thank you very young but i think you know merry christmas and i have the new year and a happy hanukkah