chair doesn't have a gavel but can we come to order anyway please good morning everyone while we are waiting for the gentleman from virginia to appear we're going to take up the oversight plan first and so pursuant to notice i called up the committee's oversight plan for the one hundred tenth congress for purposes of america the clerk will report consumer protection the committee expects to review a number of issues including the civil justice liability system and recent federal judge changes to it  without objection the oversight plan will be considered as read and open for amendment at any point i reckon nies myself for a very brief statement describing the plan as the members are aware the house rules require a standing committee to adopt an oversight plan at the beginning of each congress and submitted to the house administration and oversight and government reform committee by feb fifteenth oversight is one of congress's core responsibilities under our constitution and system of government on this committee even though at times there will be strong differences on particular issues it has been a custom and we have traditionally agreed on the importance of effective and vigorous oversight concerning the crucial issues of law and justice on which we were and it is my zire along with the ranking member to continue this tradition in that regard all members of the committee on both sides of the aisle have been consulted to my office and that of lamar office and based on those discussions it is my hope that we can adopt the plan that is before us as previous chairs of the committee have observed the plan is not binding in the sense that we may consider other matters based upon the exigencies that we of course cannot proceed we have accordingly written the plan with breath and flexibility and at the same time consulting with mr smith to include issues that he and others on his side of the race regardless of the differences that members appropriately have we have tried to phrase the oversight issues in the spirit of a neutral manner comedy the differences so that this can continue to be a consensus document as it has in the past i'd like no recognize the distinguished ranking minority member the gentleman from texas mr lamar smith for opening remarks and thank you mr chairman this plan establishes the committee's oversight priorities for the hundred tenth congress with regard to a number of important issues i am plays that the majority has accepted language that we submitted for consideration i'm particularly pleased that the plan includes language calling for an expansive view comprehensive immigration reform as well as a review of the problem criminal gangs preying on our communities including our immigrant communities and the smuggling of foreign nationals into the united states i must express some concern about certain issues we submitted for some consideration that were not included in the plan we considered today some of these issues including examining action of the legal threats posed to the phrase under god in the pledge of allegiance and the protection of private property rights these are issues where the majority of the american people have clearly defined views so regrettable that the committee is not giving them the attention that they deserve the plan also does not contain specific language regarding oversight of the implementation of several important border security laws that the committee played a leading role in acting these include enhanced border security and decent entry reform act the western hemisphere travel initiative and the secure fence act additionally this plan on this consideration of various immigration lated issues such as terrorist access to the united states to abuse of our immigration system interior enforcement of our immigration laws and immigration benefit fraud these are important issues that deserve vigorous oversight by this committee and i'm a little disappointed that they are not included in the plan we consider today despite these emissions mr chairman given the broad language the plan used to describe the committee's intended oversight activities i believe that oversight on these issues would continue to fall within the within the activities contemplated by this plan i also note mr chairman if you had that this plan is nonbinding that the committee and its members may consider any other matters that fall within our jurisdiction and we are not bound to consider only the items conducted robust oversight and i hope that that will continue throughout the hundred tenth congress mr chairman i appreciate the work of your staff with my staff to draft this plan and i support its adoption and i'll be happy to yield to the chairman for any questions or comments you might have i wanted to merely assure you mister meant that even those issues upon which you expressed some disappointment are not off the table and that our that our discussions on them will continue i think much i'd like to join with the ranking member in expressing concern about some of the matters that were omitted in addition i know of another matter that was submitted by the ranking member for consideration and that is one that was discussed last week during the first oversight hearing dealing with presidential signing statements in which quite a bit of discussion took place about the need for oversight of the use of foreign court precedents cited in decisions by the united states supreme court and by our lower courts which was readily agreed to by two of the witnesses testified before the committee and i would certainly hope that there be ongoing consideration discussion of whether or not this is deserving of oversight by the committee as well but the gentleman you have any i just want him to know that we've been advised that it wasn't sent over by the staff but we'd be happy to take that issue share your interest in it as well seven have taken the issue of privacy to the full committee level but referred in that paragraph this would be done in conjunction with all relevant subcommittees historically the committee on commercial and administrative laws dealt with issues of privacy in fact the  issues referred to in this paragraph are are matters that were developed and came out of the commercial of the ministry last including i'm just hoping to clarify what we still have a role in that issue absolutely the gentleman with you there are three other committees involved and that's why we combined not only the constitution committee but the criminal justice committee and the administrative law committee and that's why we bundle them all but all those opposed signify by saying no in the opinion of the chair the ayes have it the ayes have it and we will now before we move to the next issue a majority having voted in favor of the committee's oversight plan for the one hundred tenth congress it is ordered reported favorably to the house bobbie scottish years so we can now began to the  establishes the clear intent of congress to assist native americans in the padding the threat of methamphetamines threat of methamphetamines looms great in our country and nowhere is a threat greater than a native american communities studies have shown the native american communities have more than double the meth use rate of other communities according to surveys formed by the bureau of indian affairs over seventy percent of indian tribes a den of methamphetamine is a drug that pose the greatest threat to and also estimated that at least forty percent of violent crime cases investigated by the indian country in indian country involve methamphetamine in some capacity from the hearings in the house and from other reports we learned that the federal laws and programs designed to prevent the spread of methamphetamine use have been proven reasonably effective of a serious gaps have been identified in respect to protecting our native american communities from this dangerous drug thus more help is needed to better enable them to get this problem under control unfortunately in trying to do that we failed to do it virtually by leaving out the tribal organizations as eligible recipients for certain grants in the combat methamphetamine epidemic act of two thousand and five which was passed last year as part of the usa patriot act reauthorization h r four five forty five native american methamphetamine foresman treatment act of two thousand and seven correct that oversight included in the combat meth were provisions that authorize funding for three important grant programs within the department of justice the cops hotspots program drug addicted children program the pregnant parent pregnant and parenting women offenders program although the native american tribes and territories were included as an eligible grant recipient under the pregnant parroted woman's findus program they were unintentionally left out of possible grant recipients for the other two programs obviously this oversight needs to be corrected and thought that in forty five insurers the territories and then drives are included as eligible grant recipients under those programs bills have been introduced in the senate to accomplish the purpose of this act bipartisan legislation urge my colleagues to support it as well mr chairman i yield a balance of my time to mr forbes the ranking member of the subcommittee on crime terrorism in homeland security thank you ranking member smith yesterday the crime terrorism and homeland security subcommittee reported favorably h r five forty five the native american medicine foresman treatment act of two thousand and seven and here in markup on this bill yesterday in the crime subcommittee mr ben shelly vice president of the nation said that meth is the drug of choice in indian country seventy four percent of native americans surveyed in a recent study say that math is the single biggest threat to native american communities today t thousand and five which is passed as part of the usa patriot act and patriot act improvement and reauthorization act last year included several critical grant programs to assist states with the escalating meth problem in this country however the act emitted native american communities from participation in these grant programs the native american math and forstmann treatment act correct this oversight gives native american communities full access to meth related grants this legislation is critical in our continuing fight to eliminate the meth epidemic in the u s i hope we can pass this bill nye you know back in the midterm now you're back to bounce in my time as well i thank the gentleman for their statements are there any amendments following new paragraph number four by adding at the end the following new subsection g restriction on use of the funds made available under this section to any any indian tribe shall not be used to perform any abortion except where the life of the mother would be endangered if the fetus were carried to term the gentleman is recognized for five minutes in support step that would ensure federal dollars are used as they were intended to combat methamphetamine use we heard from the subcommittee chairman how big a problem this is i know in our state back in two thousand and five the bureau of criminal identification and investigation  ohio seized a four hundred twenty seven meth labs in our state and as the subcommittee chairman pointed out in his remarks we know how how devastating this is in the native american community double the use rate in this demographic group that is certainly not breaking new ground in fact our language is exactly the same language that's in the hyde amendment that was passed back in one nine hundred seventy seven and it's been upheld in the courts there are numerous other examples in the in the federal code where we have this type of language the department defense appropriations acts have carried this language routinely since the hundred fourth congress federal health employee health benefit program prohibits this type of use of taxpayer dollars and the department of justice prohibits  funding of abortions in prisons except to save the life of the mother in that language has been here since one thousand nine hundred eighty seven i guess just just just some of it if you're like me and believe all life is precious and should be protected you should support the amendment if you want to make sure that this bill remains focused on what it's intended to do to help deal with the meth problem in our country and on and with our native american population and you should support and then and if you think this amendments really not all that relevant to the bill you should still support our men because it's not going to do any harm mr chairman it's a good precautionary step we have numerous examples of this type of language in the l bill to allow indian tribes to get money to help them with their methamphetamine problem this bill is an abortion amendment has nothing to do with that furthermore the amendment does not have a health authorizes funding for three important grant programs the cops meth hot spots program the drug endangered children program in the pregnant and parenting women offenders program this amendment places a reasonable restriction on the use of those funds even the most liberal of federal courts the ninth circuit court of appeals recently peddled as constitutional a federal statutory and regulatory program buying military health care programs from providing federal funds abortions except where the life of the mother would be endangered at the tightest teachers were carried to term in that case though versus united states the court held that such a statute was rationally related to legitimate congressional interest in protecting potential life as a night circuit explained in the doe case by subsidizing the medical expenses of indigent women who carried their pregnancies to term while not subsidizing the comparable expenses of women who undergo abortions congress has established incentives that make childbirth more attractive alternative than abortion for persons eligible for medicaid these incentives bear a direct relationship to the legitimate congressional interest in protecting potential life the same reasoning would apply to mr jordan's amendment mr chairman i support this amendment and urge my colleagues to support it as well you know you go back to balance of my time and i thank the gentleman gentleman nothing to do with abortion this bill is anathem fetid and i'm not aware that abortions are done with the methamphetamines this bill is not even a bill on the entire program all this bill does plate language of adding indian tribes was left out of this all this bill does is add the language territorial or tribal at the state if you want to have an amendment passed then you have this only applied to indian tribes but it but not to everybody else if you want to have an amendment on the subject though i think it's absurd because methamphetamine programs don't generally deal with abortions committee is going to have additional hearings on the subject of abortion and to attach something sensitive as this to a  ordinary kind of bill here that's merely a technical correction moralists appears to me inappropriate and it's for that reason only that i read with home my support from the amendment i think the gentleman i reclaim my time is simply observe that as the chairman said we will have debates on abortion and will have hearings on those where it's relevant to not only technically but really we shouldn't have an abortion debate every piece of legislation that has nothing to do with abortion and even though i disagree with the substance the amendment even if i agreed with it i would urge you to see to the amendment on that basis it does not belong in this   pregnant and parenting women now this is about money to go help address discards methamphetamine when the underlying bill discusses  the methamphetamine use among pregnant women and then the language goes on to psych to promote public safety public health family permanence and wellbeing quote it's not unreasonable to think that this could be utilized in abortion situations and that's why parliamentarian he did not make the finding is my good friend from new york  that this was absurd but rather found that this is germane and relevant because it is when you discuss money to go to pregnant women using methamphetamine for public health which this bill does in this is not only germ my it is relevant and it is worth voting and voting for  that is being that that is the underlying bill here the relevant provisions to this the attorney general shall make grants to states controlled substances on lawfully manufactured distributed this past or used there are other clarifying provisions but the relevant that is designed to provide grants to children seems to me to be a thoughtful ostrich now i guess we could have a relevant debate on any bill in this committee that would relate to abortion in some way and maybe there are some people on your side of this issue who believe that children is anything after conception and i don't even want to get into that but i don't think any reasonable reading this bill the underlying language a deal makes this a grant program dealing with abortion in any way i think it's already restricted to people who are children walking around in environments where there is methamphetamine being manufactured distributed dispensed or used in the house i don't not have abortion on the brain but i would ask that those words be taken down that's totally inappropriate perhaps the gentleman from north carolina can withdraw the offending phrase so that we can move forward you mean you mean if i if i stayed a hypothetical you must have abortion on the brain if you interpret this in this way chairman i demand the regular order the chair is prepared to assert to my my good friend from texas mr gohmert judge gomer that these are th phrase i don't think is is offensive in the sense that that he interpreted it i do not think that it is that it insults the integrity of  having been said i would now say to the gentleman if anything i said to him was intended to be was interpreted to be offensive i withdraw it  it was not intended that way merely stated a hypothetical if you interpret everything in life to be the gentleman is recognized for five minutes chairman let me if i can try to lead a step down here a little bit and come get a little calmer hero i think that the suggestion that  the gentleman from texas has abortion on the brain or somehow obsessed with abortion you know i think first of all that that isn't true but if if indeed it were it would not the gentleman be justified the entire essence of this country is based on the notion that all are created equal and by their creators with the first right the first civil right that being life itself and in this congress so the debate continues the fact is that there is a tremendous effort on the part of those holding abortion on demand as a policy of government to continue to fund it in many different ways to the end result that there are now forty five million dead children in our history every fourth unborn child in this country is killed by abortion so if indeed the gentleman is somewhat obsessed by that problem would he not be held to be somewhat heroic in the process and if i don't was a gentleman you certainly that's made may have been part of the point that i was trying to make to him if he is he might be  obsessed i either one of those would be a value statement but neither one of them have anything to do with the underlying bill that's the point i'm trying to reclaim my time gentleman from arizona mr chairman indeed decision goes on for a long time and we have to remember that we have dealt with issues like this in the past we have the issues were the supreme court she merely of took away the rights of a certain group of people in our society that being slaves and the country dealt with it a long time they even had little unpleasantness call the civil war over it so there were some people obsessed by the notion that their fellow human beings would be desecrated so the fact that the gentleman from texas is somewhat concerned that tax dollars of the american people based on the premises that we are would be used to promote the killing of unborn children certainly i think that obsessed or otherwise i hold him to be heroic in his concern and with question i guess i have this is an amendment to a law that's already been passed on methamphetamines how much money has been spent on the this methamphetamine program for abortions going to go to a question yes or is the underlying those a patriot act in this case yes or would it be consistent for my colleagues who are so concerned about this for ask us to review the patriot act in toto to scrub it every single section to make sure that it doesn't touch on anything that's offensive to their sensibilities when that he was a believe that i think it was when we agree mr cohen that if my colleagues were being consistent in their concern for this matter they wouldn't just seek to do it on indian reservations they'd be concerned frankly we should review the patriot act in total and not and the gentleman wasn't here but i think that anyone is truly concerned about abortion should repudiate their support for the patriot act when you agree yes or out with thanks thank you very much thank you thank you i thank the gentleman for arizona for his amendment there being no further question discussion the question occurs on the amendment all those in favor of the amendment shield signify by saying all those question is on reporting the bill favorably to the house those in favor will signify by saying i those who are opposed signify by saying no in the pinion of the chair the ayes have it and the bill h r five four five is ordered reported favorably to the house ladies and gentleman we move down to second last measure the animal fighting i call h r one thirty seven the animal fighting prohibition enforcement for purposes of markup and asked the clerk to read the bill h r one point and the chair recognizes this subcommittee on crime chairman the gentleman from virginia bobby scott thank you mr chairman thank you for your leadership in moving the bill expeditiously through committee on a bipartisan seven the animal fighting core vention prohibition enforcement act of two thousand and seven addresses a growing problem of stage animal fighting in this country such fighting represents a compelling and unique federal interest because it crosses state and then national borders and specifically h r one thirty seven makes well ations of the law a felony punishable by up to three years in prison currently these offenses a limited to misdemeanor treatment with the possibility of a five and up to one year  states already make all stage animal fighting illegal just two states allow cockfighting one is virginia but even virginia affectively perhaps caught biting by really hitting wagering or admission seized into any  cockfighting event but even recently a bill passed the state senate in virginia to prevent states cockfighting in any instance the transport of game birds for the purpose of animal fighting and the implements of cockfighting are already for a bit by federal law that currently the penalties allow only misdemeanor treatment and a fine nineteen seventy six congress amended the federal code the animal welfare act to make it illegal to knowingly sell transport deliver or receive a dog or other animal in interstate commerce for the purposes of participation in an animal fighting venture or knowingly sponsor or exhibit an animal fighting venture if the animal in the venture is moved interstate or foreign commerce limits to the animal welfare act contained a loophole however that allows shipments of birds across state lines for fighting purposes of the destination state a lot of cock fighting and while the congress did amend section twenty six of the animal welfare act to close this loophole in two thousand and two the penalty section and other provisions of the act of not been updated since original act nine hundred seventy six h r one thirty seven is designed to address the shortfalls to more effectively cover of modern problems associated with animal fighting ventures the act of stablish is criminal penalties under title eighteen authorizing a felony felony conviction and prison time for up to three years violation of the federal animal fighting law one of the primary reasons for an acting increase penalties on the title eighteen is the reluctance cited by u s attorneys to pursue animal fighting cases on the current misdemeanor provisions because they view the penalties as ineffective against an animal fighting industry which  continued unabated nation nationwide one thirty seven makes it a felony to transport cockfighting implements an interstate bond caught commerce these implements take the form of razor sharp knives known as flashers or gas instruments shaped in the form of the curved icepick that are attached to the bird's wigs for fighting opponents of these implements within the game community contend that they inflict cleaner won't upon the birds which are quicker and easier to and requests to assist them with state and local prosecutions in addition the fact that all fifty states have banned fighting at all but two states have banned cockfighting animal industry continues to provide the animal fighting industry continues to within the united states numerous nationally circulated animal fighting magazines advertising fighting animals and paid lobbyists continue to advocate for animal fighters interests the subcommittee on crime terrorism  homeland security held a hearing in markup on h r one thirty seven a reported the bill favorably to the full committee it is reasonably designed to more effectively get it animal cruelty activities already banned by the federal government bill has close to three hundred  two thousand and seven creates federal felony penalties for animal fighting my colleague and classmate from california mr gallantly is the lead sponsor on this bill in the hundred tenth congress i'm pleased to be a co sponsor of this legislation along with two hundred eighty five other members of the house from both sides of the aisle i urge my colleagues to support the bill and you know the balance of my time to mr gallantly the ranking member constant subcommittee that's inaccurate i'm quickly as you know i've been trying to federally criminalize the brutal inhumane practices animal fighting for the past several congresses congress needs to finish the job it started a few years years ago when it acted legislation to tighten federal law and close loopholes that were allowing the barbaric practices of animal fighting to thrive nationwide in spite of van's bans in virtually every state we left in place we penalties that have proven ineffective mr mean and penalties simply don't provide a meaningful deterrent we've heard from u s attorneys that they're reluctant to pursue animal fighting cases with just a missed misdemeanor penalty those involved in animal biting been ventures consider misdemeanor penalties a slap on the wrist or in most cases merely a cost of doing business and recent years we've seen a market in rise in animal fighting busts in communities across the country local police and sheriffs are increasingly concerned about animal fighting not only because of the animal cruelty involved but also because of the other crimes that are often go hand in hand including illegal gambling drug trafficking money laundering and acts of human violence furthermore there's an inherent danger for children of animal fighters to be close to these animals children are often brought to these gruesome spectacle some dog fighters steal pets to use as bait for training their dogs some allow trained fighting dogs to roam our neighborhoods and endanger the public there is the additional concern that cockfighting spread diseases that jeopardize poultry flocks and even public health we in california experiences firsthand when caught fighters spread exotic newcastle's disease which was so devastating to many of our poultry producers and over three and  and fact that outbreak cost u s taxpayers nearly two hundred million dollars to eradicate and cost the u s poultry industry many millions more and lost exports cockfighting has been identified as the major contributor of the spread of avian flu throughout thailand and other parts of asia where the strain originated it least nine people who conned contracted avian flu and died from it reportedly contract it from fighting birds unfortunately bird flu has not and fortunately bird flu has not jumped the species barrier in this country but we ought to be vigilant to minimize the risk we need to help state and local enforcement officials who have requested the strengthening of federal read animal fighting for communities that do not want it the legislation makes violence violations of federal animal fighting laws a felony punishable up to three years in prison makes it a felony to transport an animal across state  international borders for the purpose of animal fighting and for hiv it's the interstate and foreign commerce and knives and gas designed for cockfighting this is mr chairman a perfect example of a bipartisan bill the bill i co sponsored in the last congress animal fighting prohibition act two zero zero six at three hundred twenty four con co sponsors and by the way passed under unanimous consent in the senate for this bill three hundred plus democrats and republicans have co sponsored this bill and three short weeks i ask my friends on this committee to support this legislation so we can end this deplorable practice and all the devastated destructive amendment would accomplish two tasks first under the amendment if a minor were transported across state lines for the purpose of getting an abortion in another state or foreign country in order to evade a state law requiring parental involvement in the matters abortion decision that action would be a federal crime and then it would also make it a federal crime for an abortion provider to fail to give the minors parent or legal guardian twenty four hours notice the minors decision to have an abortion before the procedure is performed even if the minor crosses state lines to do so when the constitution subcommittee held a hearing and c n n two thousand and five we heard the tragic testimony of ms carroll who is fourteen year old daughter was coerced by her boyfriend's family into traveling from her home state of pennsylvania jersey they have an abortion against your will now i recognize we're meeting here to consider build to protect chickens but isn't protecting our nation's young women like mr carol's daughter and their unborn equally if not more important than our  or a bird that would be involved in an illegal cockfights somewhere in the united states the answer to the age old question of which team first chicken or the egg i would argue that it doesn't matter which came first both deserve our protection without this amendment we will giving more protection to chickens and we will be giving to minor children their parents and their unborn babies i would urge support for the amendment that are non germane to the underlying proposition under the bait in the stablish and the test of germane as the rules seek to determine not only that the two competing propositions are related and subject matter but they also seek to prevent the consideration of amendments that are vast vastly expand the scope of down the line bill under consideration this bill deals with animal fighting didn't have anything to do with humans or abortion and i think that it is clearly not germane to the underlying bill fundamental purpose of the underlying bill is to close a loophole in state laws the amendment closes loopholes in state laws for animal fighting and taking minors across state lines for abortion furthermore the underlying  amends a criminal call i would remind the chair in his capacity as ranking member in the last congress that he offered an amendment to establish a federal hate crimes law as an amendment to the adam walsh children's safety act is a motion to recommit when the adam walsh bill came up on the floor that motion to the commit and the amendment and the heat crimes law which was entirely separate and distinct proposition was ruled germane by the acting speaker because the adam walsh field made several amendments to the criminal code what was good enough in the last congress for us as the former chairman no it's germane it speaks to the subject matter under consideration not whether it amends the criminal law if you take that to its logical extension virtually everything is germane and it also obviously closes loopholes but that too does not to argue that the subject matter of the base bill is abortion or reproductive freedom we should have a discussion about that and we're going to have many opportunities for that to happen but in terms of the germanies mr chairman it's clear to me that the just wishing that the gentleman mr sensenbrenner were nearly as liberal in his interpretation of of points of order and germane this will he was in the chair but also anything to do with whether it was germane within the committee anyway even on the point that he was making it took a waiver of the rules of the house to make that motion to recommit germany are there any other members that wish to speak to the point of order if not the chair with a great deal of research on the part of the state is ready to rule on this point of order cost seven rule sixteen of house rules is pretty clear on this the amendment must be germane this amendment fails to meet that test as it would introduce a new subject matter to the bill with a different fundamental purpose and therefore the gentleman from virginia is point of order is mr chairman i feel a decision of the chair chair the motion to table prevails as chairman i ask for all calls all right gentlemen request the roll call when when the when your name is called if you are they were the motion to table signify by saying i propose signified by saying no the clerk will call the roll mr chairman mr winner mr win a vote on mr schiff mr schiff both mr davis mr davis both i on are there other members that wish to have their vote recorded if not the clerk will report to this bill it's a bad piece of legislation the issues involving the animal welfare belong that committee be long before the committee on agriculture not the committee on the judiciary yet this legislation has been carefully crafted to take jurisdiction of animal welfare concerns away from the agriculture committee which has jurisdiction over title seven and put it in title eighteen which is out of jurisdiction of the judiciary committee now normally i wouldn't argue that we should we should yield jurisdiction in this committee exist before ag is where the expertise is and that's where all the rest of the animals animal welfare language is i expect me to their associate organizations to continue their efforts to transfer jurisdiction from the animal welfare experts the ag committee to the judiciary committee right now forty eight of the fifty states have laws that address the issue of chicken fighting in all fifty states outlaw dog fighting i believe these state laws are adequate making this legislation unnecessary i believe that it diminishes human life if we make it a felony to transport animals for fighting but it is not a felony to take a girl across a state line for abortion as mr sensenbrenner has pointed out with his amendment it's a strong conviction of mine that we need to fight for the sanctity of life and while i believe that it's important we are humane in how we treat animals i do not believe that we should put their welfare ahead of unborn humans i oppose making animal fighting a three year felony because it degrades the value of human life by proportion we have a higher standard for protection for animals under this bill than we have for human beings and in short mr chairman i would put it this way that if a sexual predator can pick up a teenage girl perhaps a thirteen year old girl whom he has impregnated by statutory rape and from the playground perhaps in whole or across the state line for the purposes of inducing her to get an abortion to eradicate the evidence of his sex crimes and picture back up and bring her back to the to the playground and put her on the swings that and he's not committed a crime but if someone picks up a chicken and all of that across the state line and and it's then that someone finds out that that chicken was there and there was going to be a physical altercation between those two chickens and someone might bet on the outcome that becomes a three year felony in this country and i will not sit here and lend my vote to a piece of policy that and that elevates chickens above the lives of humanity not teenage girls not and all that follows through hunting on line fourteen mr king you are recognized for five minutes thank you mr chairman that i bring this amendment with a slightly different tone than my remarks on the overall bill and i would say that my men have simply states that an animal fighting venture shall not include hunting my men might leave no question that hunting animals will not be outlawed by this bill i offer my men that because i'm concerned about how this bill might affect the sport of hunting wild certain kinds of hunting are exempted from the definition of an animal fighting venture on page for certain kinds of hunting are not exempt in this bill specifically exams waterfowl bird raccoon or fox hunting but it does not exempt all other kinds of legal sport hunter and counting like using dogs to hunt cougars or bobcats or barrels or feral swine rabbits or coyotes this bill should exempt the use of dogs in any type of hunting we cannot make three year felons out of law abiding says he couldn't sit here a minute ago when tolerate being in the room while we were discussing it without been joining it to a no the bill is a gentleman now playing vote for i would  respond that i will vote no on the bill that with a less contentious attitude i be happy to use what i'm i have to tell you as a city guy i'm outraged to learn that chicken hunting is a big problem in this country and i've long been concerned about the cultural gulf between my urban constituents and those who are hunters but to learn that chickens are hunted it's shocking to me i hope that we take this up in future legislation reservation you know back mischance there's no further discussion on h r one thirty seven the question  occurs on the passage of this measure all those in favor signify by saying all those opposed signify by saying no in the pen in the chair the eyes have the eyes have it and the measure is passed we are now pleased to move to the last bill for the morning and without objection pursuant to notice a call  of america and the click is asked to read the bill h r seven four zero a bill to amend title eighteen united states code to prevent caller i holding the markup on the bill and for your leadership in moving the bill expeditiously through the committee process on a bipartisan basis also commend the leadership and assistance of the full ranking committee member mr smith and the ranking subcommittee member mr for identity in order to commit fraud or some other abusive act spoofing also occurs when a caller knowingly uses the camaraderie of another person or business without permission one of the witnesses at the hearing on the predecessor of in the last congress was colorado his family members were understandably irritated by numerous calls from people who were calling him back as a result of his caller id being left by their call on their caller id system it's kind of sleuthing is also cases in which people received phone calls that made false claims that they had missed jury duty these individuals were told to avoid processed to avoid prosecution they need to provide this so security number and other personal information the phone number that appeared on their caller id was that from the local courthouse so people assume that the caller was telling the truth h r seven forty was intended to help protect consumers from harassment and then of the theft another privacy intrusions recently technology needed to spoof has become readily available either through the purchase of internet telephone equipment or through websites specifically set up to do this the bill allows spoofing for law enforcement purposes the paragraph to see if section two  the bill provides a defense for prosecutions for lost provide a defense to prosecution so lawfully authorized activities of law enforcement family section three of the bill has a provision which adds callers moving to the list of unlawful activities associated with money laundering existing law provides that comparable crimes such as violations of conflict computer fraud abuse act constitute specified unlawful activities for the purpose of money laundering statute not all had a chance to consider and ranking member forbes and i have agreed to work to see which if any of those recommendations ought to be considered in the bill as a for the manager's amendment as the build moves to the floor subcommittee held a markup of the bill reported favorably to the full committee ranking member forbes and i will review the further recommendations of the department of justice as it goes forward as a indicated this is important and helpful legislation for preventing identity theft another abusive uses outbound member unfortunate act or phone act addresses spoofing spoofing is a new and increasingly used method of obtaining a victim's personal and financial information in order to commit identity theft or other similar from this legislation is a proactive measure to prevent spoofing before it escalates further similar legislation passed the house with bipartisan support at the end of one hundred ninth congress originally colleagues to support this bill now you know the balance of my time mr forbes the real blanking member of th s crime subcommittee thank you ranking member smith as an original co sponsor of this bill i join my colleague from virginia crime subcommittee chairman scott and supporting adoption of this bill and also in thanking the staff members that work so long on this bill the phone act of two thousand and seven imposes criminal penalties for a new form of fraud known as caller id spoofing in which those whose call disclose personal information to the caller who in turn uses this information to commit identity theft or similar types of fraud some people disguise themselves as banks or courts of law in order to obtain personal information from their victims even members of congress or not i mean congressman tim murphy sponsor of this bill in the one hundred ninth congress explained to the crime subcommitte yesterday that the caller id of his congressional office was used to discuss cost his constituents spoofing is becoming so popular that one can purchase the technology on the internet which now even allows the spoofer to select sides or male or female voice from placing the phone calls this is important legislation it's supported by the department of justice and i urge my colleagues to support the bill that i think the ranking member of the subcommittee are there any chairman scott and mr forbes and mr smith for their support in leadership on this issue this issue is the important ones very much related to legislation that this committee passed out last year that passed the house by  near unanimous support dealing with the related problem that takes place not telephones but on the internet with fishing and farming various individuals posing as with web sites that look like a real web site for banks and other financial institutions and other organizations and i strongly support this legislation and i hope the chairman will make it a priority when that legislation is reduced soon to move  spyware and fishing legislation that we passed through the last congress as well i thank the chairman and the back and thank the gentleman are there any amendments if not let us consider reporting h r seven four zero all those in favor of reporting the measure signify by saying i please all those opposed signify by voting no  the eyes have it and so we will report this measure to the house for further consideration without objection the steps off authorized to make technical and conforming changes to all matters approved by the committee today all members will have two days to submit any additional dissenting supplemental or minority views pursuant to committee rule two j the chair is authorized such motions as big as may be necessary in the house to go to conference with the senate or any bill that committee has ordered paper believe reported today that there is no further business before the committee today without objection the committee stands adjourned and i think the gentleman for their cooperation