and unfortunately i apologize i won't be able to stay on for your vote or your decision making on the special town meeting my understanding though is that you're looking at an october special town meeting which essentially that means weeks away the ad com i just want everybody to take into consideration before the vote the advisory committee hasn't even met yet to begin this fall season are meeting next  open meeting we really want to get this year together and off on a good start so that we can give deliberate and thoughtful consideration to all the warts and right now from my understanding there's quite a few on the  and it's growing from what i can tell so my concern is if we do this in october we will be rushing it and the outcome will not be able to give you in the town our best research in time and our best recommendations for these articles coming forward so what i would ask you folks to consider i'm not saying we have to always go back to a d c summer town meeting but third week we have a late thanksgiving this year it's the fourth week of things of november if we could push this if it's possible this if this october date isn't costing the town something if there's a reason for this october date that i'm not aware of all learned tonight but we would ask that you schedule it for maybe the third week second third week in november and i think that would give the advisory committee ample time to take on a lot of these important issues and render the right recommendation for the seen on k building committee want to come forward the actions of your committee has been taking recently we met a few weeks ago and brought up the subject again the discussion within our board was basically did we want to go back and revisit for any reason  the decision that we had previously made on our recommendation and after discussion the board basically how packed with what its original concept was that we still believe that the best money that the town spends a on a new billing it's not on trying to renovate this building we understand the issues have been raised we've read a lot of the reports we've discussed with different people in town their theories and concepts but we still look at this building and it's substantial issues as being one that putting the money we put into it and still ending up with what we would consider a subpar building makes no sense to the town and i think in the long run we will benefit much better from you know potentially even if it is a few dollars more to build a new building that's exactly what this town needs for the next you know thirty or forty years versus something that's a retrofit  and spaces aren't as efficiently use one of our biggest concerns and there's a lot of things obviously out there the seismic the the drainage issues all of that stuff aside you know one of our biggest issues still remains the fact that we have a lower level of this building that you no matter what you do it's going to be second rate space it because of its ceiling heights and and its construction to do the job right you're still going to end up with an area which is fifty percent of the building that is not going to be what you would really want to have on a long term basis so you know when we consider that look at that even if you know something numbers that are being pushed out there are you know possibly correct which we don't think they are but only if the bid process will actually validate that one way or the other we still think that you come up with a building that does not serve the town well in the long run and yes it would be snavely slightly cheaper we're not even sure of that at this point but what we are sure of is is if we were to redo the building at this point and build a new one we know we could build the space that we need to keep it as efficient and tight as possible as far as number square feet and make it what just if you could just so everyone can get refill your eyes with what the bid process is and what the i'm assuming the five hundred fifty thousand dollars is still the number yeah you know what that's going to get us well the the the first money that would be smacked would be to design the actual building everything that's been put out to date remember is on very short budget numbers for someone to do the calculations and studies of how departments operate today what their square footage requirements are what the manpower requirements are and it's not just for what's today's you know scope but also what you would intice a paid you know in the near future that that these departments would look like i didn't see a lot of change in personnel so it wasn't that there's a major expansion of personnel expected within the the town hall  so the studies that have been so far are really very rudimentary going they're not designed plans yet there's not complete you know instructions on how to build this so that that money is really to go to do what we've done you know in the past on a couple projects is actually get the full set of plans out so that we can go out to bid the problem with that in you know understand the at comes a concern from a timing point of view but it would be a very tight window to be honest with you to get bid documents in six months and the intent here from what i've understood is to try to come to something to the in your town meeting so you're in front of the biggest part of the population with a large decision like this and obviously if you start backing yourself up from a time point of view may first coming back six months doesn't give us a lot of time in which to get this thing done on top of that we would have to have our numbers in heene and at the in your town meeting so which means you have to back yourself up again a little bit further because what we would want to do is basically have the bids come in probably fifteen days at least before a town meeting and there's a thirty day window in which to accept so if the town meeting were to vote for it say may first may second whatever the you know town meeting comes to it still would be within the thirty day window of the contract timeframe for the bids that are actually put out so that's why we've been kind of backing it up saying that if we could get the go ahead in october get the plans all out on to the street just as quickly as possible and still going to be a very short bidding window that we're looking for we could potentially at this point you know meet the story meet the may first or whatever the day just for the annual town meeting time frame we get pushed into november it's going to be very very tight and i i would say probably pretty much impossible to make them a time frame if that's what your real issue is and do the plans right remember the plans in the specs are really what you live by and if those aren't done and there isn't a tight package then what you'll get on bids is the potential for a lot of change orders a lot of issues which you don't want we haven't that is a problem in any of the projects we've done so far but but we've had the time some have been tighter than others i think the library has a very tight time frame in which we try to do it and do that so we you know we haven't had you know a significant change or is there but a lot of review has to happen into those documents and specs to make sure you really hit it and we also are still expecting whoever the engineers are to do this is to do one more look back at what our current specs requirements are just to make sure again we're going to put out a building that is what this t will need for the next thirty to forty years not something that doesn't meet those needs for long range because of you're putting too much money to it to not look at it that way so that the time frame problem really is the time frame in which developing the plans and specs for a new building would require also my feeling is that we're going to be in front of the zoning board because of the site if you look at the way this building sits on the site there are envelope issues potentially within in  the that the window right now is you know pushing sometime in october is going to be very very tight after that i think really you're going to be looking at a special time meeting after  if that's the case why we're rushing now to if you don't expect it's going to be packaged up and ready for in you will you think it might it might require a special sometime in the summer i'm only i'm only suggesting that if you want to hit the may time frame that's why we're pushing if you don't want to have the may timeframe you want to hit next august that the schedule gets pushed a little and you can go to november but you still have this is sniffing amount of work that needs to be done between now and whenever that town meeting is which largest audience which is typically the may annual town meeting so to throw it out for a wanted to article special you're really not going to guarantee is self the best numbers mean like an additional week trying to figure out you well you know anything can be done and we've we've done that on other projects where you make it tight i'm just telling you the the title you make it you know the more likely you are to a problem where you couldn't get to all the reviews you'd like to get to you know if we try you know again and you when you're hiring you know whatever engineering firm is that does it they go through their own peer review they go through a lot of steps in the process but in the end we also like to look at it too so we like to have the time to have gone through and see what they have as well as you may be interested in seeing some of the the outcomes of what the specs look like what the plan lays out at the other maybe a lot of you know more people as far as looking at how the view of the building is i mean we have conceptual right now but that's all they are i mean the nothing is is etched in stone and he finished the program so i just think as much time as you can give it the better off you are again if it's too much of a rush have as many articles on the war if you want to keep it to a smaller meeting i mean that's an option you have as far as how you control what goes on the war it doesn't have to be twenty items it could be three well right now it's only fourteen so and you know the board has to review those tonight and they they can decide at that time you know what ones they want to have addressed i think you also have the option of having to specials in the fall that come as time to i mean i don't think you had gone need a lot of time to get of the day with town hall i mean i think they were everybody was pretty much on board last time around and situations fell through i think some of the other half and i have a second one first week in december for the radicals that are pressing for planning wars on that i mean we we ought to work together on this and i don't think the spring is the time of the summer actually to have the second one you can have two small in the fall last one just thrown out of there so i mean i'm sure you know that it's really i just you know i think it wondering if there was any you know the flexibility that i think the building committee will do whatever we need to do to  accomplish this i can't speak for the engineering firms whichever one it ends up means no for we also have to fine with the engineering firm and so that's going takes a lot of time it's not guaranteed that you know k b who has done the work to point gets it because that's not the way the process works so  you know but i think it representing the board our board will do anything that that's put in front of us to the best we can but i'm just going to tell you being realistic that the more time we have the more likely we are to to do they come up the other to come that we all want to that the citizens committee who is proposing rehabbing this building is to go before the advisory committee in two weeks  believe so what what well that's you know that that's my that's my so we've got two committees and i thought that you had directed both of these explanation of the facts i actually met with dick at his house at one point time to go through the information as well you know i get i think the question that the selectmen have to make a decision is you know who is representing the town as far as he's building projects we are standing board which you appoint you know we have gone through the regular of of looking at the options looking at the buildings and looking at the design and all i can tell you right now is we respectfully disagree with  well i just wonder make it clear what direction are we going are we going for a new building is that is that it because if we go in for a new building with then we proceed in and all this this approach we really just trying to decide to go forward with the five hundred fifty thousand dollars that's not want to correct now that may i mean it's going to look at the program for us to get once ye looking at this because taxpayers you know are concerned about the overall cost the most appropriate way to do it so that there is as accurate a number as possible is to go out to bid you go out to bid you're coming forward with a number that the contractors already basically set forward  you can drop you continued see is much lower at that point time because you've got a firm number so you know your ability to to go through the processes is obviously a much tighter number then doing what would be maybe a traditional way with she's saying ok we're estimating now it's eight million dollars we're just going to ask three million dollars and then let's go see what happens we may there you know come up with a planet that's much higher much lower but you don't know in this way if you're willing to commit to which way you want to take the project what we're willing able to do for you is basically come back and say here's the number that you need with you know a small contingency because obviously you still can run into issues who knows what will run into on the ground here we you know the old school is buried here so those are g just can't totally understand when you go from but it's a lot less when it's a new construction so bill and how many buildings have you in your community represented town to day one of these guys have been on even longer than i have but the  we've done it i've been around for thirteen years now we've done the herne the joint public safety the high school and the library so other than d p w and a couple of the other elementary schools putting damages on the library that there are about one hundred two thousand the contractor will have to pay based on being over time frame which basically will cover our costs are when the town's not going to make any money on that don't cover additional rent and you know costs that way and that's why you have a liquidating damages the problem with public bidding is you never know what kind of contract you're going to get and we've had some very good ones we had a great one on the high school which was very easy to work with and we had to be asked to give two very tough  be right here are further back in the in the current best thinking is and again we can do a little bit more research on this but our current best thinking is that in the place of the existing building is the best because on any issues  the secondary concern we have is that again with the old center school being very back there are understanding as a lot of things that were in that building are still in the parking lot so you know between zoning and the potential getting into a real can of worms you know redoing it here with the addition and making that the parking we think is still the best not encroaching on any neighbors any more than the current building is for the most part whereas if we move it backwards were approaching every neighbor around here that this this one touch yes so i think that you know that's been at least our thinking up to this point and dear the estimates that you have right now take into consideration  woods the tentative date for this special committee article which went first so putting it basically putting it back from october twenty first to the third week and of embers all month so between november and may  town meeting you've got november december sixth six or so taking the concept that castle boosted to put into design development construction documents specifications and construction documents and go to the design development which is may or may not include zoning board which is appealable and it's of the process on its own so you're saying six months is just too tight for that i that one one month differential is the the breaker and then on the other hand we're hearing advisory committee that they're not even up to so we've got one new member they've got a several new members they have to go through the process and then they just said that they cannot do it articles that we need to do some funding yet you know it's pretty quick but if it's just two or three articles verse fourteen you the capacity to do that from the guys who can they have to see what i have to see what all the articles are i mean some of them i'm sure we could some of them we you know it would be difficult but just for clarification i wasn't saying the last week of november i was saying the second or third week in november just giving us another two to three weeks i think we could certainly you know work  that what i don't want to do is start of the see this this year with a bunch of no actions and i think there's a lot of articles that people would be disappointed hearing no action on and i don't want to do that and i want to delive to you folks we want to be able to really look at this and if it's a matter of negotiating a couple of weeks or so finite you know i understand you know what you folks are saying too but we're talking about rushing we're talking about the consideration of rushing engineers and rushing bitters and rushing these things but i am asking you to not rush add com which is not rush to town you're essentially going with the premise that this is a slam dunk and i'm not so sure it would be if people don't get a full you know a film you know review and i think that full view requires you to be able to look at it hear from people even if you focus of all said we're going with the new with the with the town and look at you guys are running this i'm fine with that but i think people will be more comfortable if it's been vetted out and i do think a lot of it was  over and then what we'll do was those five law i'm not saying it's the first four i can definitely say and be on the i'm not sure about that but the thing i'm going to say to you is i'm going to have another i would like town to have another special meeting in december and i would give you time to get all the other articles yeah i mean i think some of these articles like sore is going to be i mean that's going to be a grind no doubt about always it and then you gun up some playing board  usually when it is december first we can december and it gives everybody the time to do things right and i think we talked earlier i need to town hall digesting that's not a big issue i think some of the five articles that can wait till may so you should say you should take the top whatever whether it's five seven eight do them now and the rest the rest can wait till may be just don't want to throw  the grant what you're looking for and i just got this we understand from the state there's a very outside chance that there would be money available this fiscal year in this fiscal year only so we need to get that vote done sooner rather than later if you follow mr cutler's advice i would very very very greatly appreciate adoption of the chapter forty one secs and section eighty one you allowing us to come to you to do defaulted subdivisions instead of having to go to town meeting and the rest can wait in my opinion and i know my board feels very strongly that they're all good grab several members about coming here as you know even with an october twenty first date that gives us two to three weeks to work on the articles we see very thank you we still have we will do our darndest to get them done but we cannot make any guarantees that we won't come up with a new action and especially on something as big as the town hall and that's just you know we just want to be forthright with you all that that may be the outcome and not for you all not to get  good i'm not try i'm not trying to make this a an issue or debate that i'm just a little curious why wasn't this why wasn't this rush last year i mean we did this last year and i don't ever remember hearing about we have to get stuff we're trying to be proactive here so i understand thank you and like i said we'll do the very best that we just don't want to let down other departments i did talk without bob with water and they've got stuff come in and they want they want their due we've we've always said that you know and we've done pretty well with this in the last few projects is you know to keep pitched roofs not flat roofs so a colonial design obviously is in keeping with foxboro would be really what we would try to accomplish but you know the the inside dimensions really layout based on what would be because when you're starting ground zero you would do this anyway how about how offices work best together you know what what once kind of cover for each other we do that's how you kind of start your configuration the but the outside i guess i would think we would get to a point where we would want some input into whether or not we're on the right path as far as the look in the you know the mixture of materials and stuff building out effectively with the plans of the state hospital property and i think we did a fairly good job with that but you know it's it's it's always for you know hard to do based on meeting all the needs but that's so i think we bring that back and the five fifty is that are not to exceed articles probably not we need to be ready to go next year maybe before the end you will or i am a to do that we need to have i saw a service district voted on by tell me and the other one is if there's going to be an article for a town hall or even to do with its own special we do we have the combined public works building that is in the works right now we're looking for appropriations for that that would feel that we don't want to go down this approach towards a new building i think that the process when this is how our town government is structured is that yeah it comes a very important committee in town and they have a responsibility to better things and they do research the board of selectmen don't have the ability to do they do it from a citizen's perspective and not that they disagree with one approach or another it's just that i wouldn't mind hearing the you know what  thinks of this whole thing you know the comma seen it before but there are new people on it and they basically disposed to come back to the town give us a recommendation right as far as the board goes you on how do you want to take the advice from  understand why i mean it it's been neglected for years and it's probably gotten beyond the point of repair but the say you know we're going to take this building which exists and it's paid for and basically throw it away that  i will probably come to grips with that fact reluctantly i would probably have to say you know bill's plan i could live with it i mean it's it's but the fact is you take an asset like this and throw away and  for it is still still a shame well you know and i understand that but i got going to form a select i say next to some time if you as a standing member you have to rely on other members in there actually i know i respect miller in the committee i mean they they do great work it's it the downtown glad to hear that it's possibly to take on a colonial look it will look like foxboro looks like the front facade of this building was a little petrified there was going to be a glass office building which will look completely out of place  basically we haven't had you were on the board maybe voted five zero to go with the committee's recommendation to build a new town hall i'd like to be a for sure that that's what this board so i entertain a motion on that right now motion to motion to approve the choice of a new construction for a town way to renovate this certainly i think that's where the focus would be  put i have a lot of respect for bill and his group in the in the projects that they've done but in my credit probably worked on about thirty to forty public projects schools libraries senior centers public safety buildings in very seldom  seen a building that you were dealing with all the m e p mechanical or drill plumbing handicap accessibility so the site constraints inside the building for square footage that has warranted  renovating it and the only buildings that i've done is because it had significant historic site six historic significance that if you knocked it down it would be a hardship to the town there's nothing historic about this building and the cost from my experience to run abated and come up with similar square footage with life expectancy for all the different structures we're going to come out a little bit more expensive to do it this way and i don't think you know we could probably get by cheaper but in the long run dealing with older structures with the retrofitted systems on it granted you know the structurally m e p and all that stuff but the size inside to make it function plus you get a full basement that's half of the area i just can't justify putting that type of money and living with something that you're not going to get the bang for the buck so you know i've also met with dick his living room i've gone over the castle booze plans i've gone over digs recent reports and yes there is some valid points that that group has put overall the big picture is and i think they they missed the  pitches the items that i just talked about the value of having new versus old having said that i know we're probably going to get a hit saying oh we all want as new we want the best but putting the money to retrofit something in it and up to something that is going to cost more in the long run i think we've got to go no one this well i mean if you if the if the cost of the same i think it pretty close to renovate and add on to this building versus build new but other pretty close and are you there and you know you say if you're thinking in the long run it probably is better to build new but i'm just on record as saying you know maybe i have a  we would recommend taking the building down i like the design of the building i like the way it looks but after going through all of the information that we were given after looking at you know the components of the building you know the reasons why we moved the police department out here and initially not only was size but was condition of what we were dealing with as far as a structure we all had to come all the way around we went three sixty on this ourselves as to what we thought was the best bang as it was just put for the part where we would end up with the building so it wasn't that wasn't like i you know we were far from that if you look at it we've renovated two hundred thousand square foot high school we didn't look to throw any of it away we renovated  one hundred twenty thousand square foot middle school and added onto it we look to throw the any of that away when it came to join public safety we had no choice but to throw away effectively what we were in and to go to something new because neither one of the buildings had the ability to do what we wanted to do with neither one of them  condition that they were threatening that's why we've come to where we are with this is it i think was a very tough to say i don't think anybody did this casually and you know they're all taxpayers do we have to go at it for years i mean i've seen the mental wranglings that have taken place i mean but it's it's so you have to arrive at a place and time and be you know and make a decision and be satisfied with it and you know i spent most of the weekend looking at all the data from over the years and you know you you say he did you almost hold your nose and said let's go so i just like to clarify a couple of points first of all thirteen years ago we at the town hall when we gave the sale money of a school that was to be used to fund the joint public safety building we were told we were next we haven't been next for a long time and the reason why major construction wasn't done on this building was because i'm sure that any taxpayer in this town would find great objection to us spending one hundred thousand dollars to repair a roof knowing that we were next thirteen years ago so you know every year and he had windows wash gutters painted in and general repairs done and since then that's been the policy but to put big money into a building that you know we weren't sure what was going to happen didn't seem like the right thing to do so if the building seems neglected it's because thirteen years ago we were promised we were next and that's the reason why i think thank you things of course there to be in there but i'll be as brief as i can there's one point that way save you some time and i think you you may want to capture this with the building committee they can start their architect the engineers  election now putting in the central register that the money has not yet been voted but the following day will be so and so and these people will applaud we did this when we got in so the original high school and sixty because as far as i'm concerned most of the people i've talked to there isn't one of them that says nothing is to be done everyone says something needs to be done and the only question is is it going to be alteration  addition or no and i think if we can proceed with the architect that we can get the money from randy he has the secret means that coming up with the funding we can begin moving on  this now i think everyone in town is convention something needs to be done and i think if we can move with the architect let's do it get them on board so that the day after the money is voted and i'm sure money will be voted this time we can sign the contract with the architect and save the time that's just a hint from past experience as we've gone through the process over the years i just interrupt for just a clarification before you get to next point when i'm hearing words like secret means to get money it irritates me you know we're trying to do everything as open as possible it just puts a bad taste when people think we can just grab money from the secret accounts someplace in the town because i haven't seen  and if i have certainly would have said something but every year this issue of you know reserve money you know there's two percent we can move around from department apartment but as far as i know there's no secret money and i just wish we could refrain from using that type of move completely i recall vote ok three items basically one is as we go through the process of all the reports in the meetings that we have had on this building before we moved the police  out there was never a thought about a new building built in know any of the reports even the two double zero eight to report that but you were involved with mark talks about the building is substantially sound all  needs is i forget what the wording was needs upgrading and replacement of equipment k b eight says basically the same thing none of the disaster we heard around the table or another are in any of those reports the basic elements in the reports are the upgrading of the heating system the electrical the plumbing a da and what have the estimates that k p a put together on seismic it's a hundred thousand for this building it's six hundred thousand for the new building because they have to consider the building structure as part of the new construction you don't have to have new construction near you twenty columns and two tons of steel beams and that's it to meet the seismic load you also need to start and stuff like that but it's simplest kind of operation curse you already have a shell here the point is our group has looked at many options you've heard of many of them say the rentals that do nothing the minimum repair but i'll give you just want to zap a minimum repair on basic construction cost will cost you seven hundred thousand dollars more than a full alteration of this building given k b s numbers their minimum  bill has parrot spoke about the the lease would include some measure this triple whatever it was on the on the wording the fit out cost what do we need for the vaults storage are we going to have to buy it and then knock it down is the owner going to build it for us at no cost i doubt it but there's a whole pile of things and there on this frontal even if it's only the one year or two year rental that we get into the post office is gone forget it the old in the new post office the figure just came and lastly bob gave me a copy of it you're talking forty five million dollars on a purchase given the square footage of the three properties in connecticut that they gave us even if we could get that building it's still five million to do the work inside the building rob and i mean we were in it in that same ball park it is a section of whatever you want to play with the other rentals as properties down to foxboro boulevard and forts full of are nowhere near the center but they're cheap there we consider them we haven't heard we haven't heard how much square footage we need over there we need a meeting room ready and anything else in the rentals may have a viable option either short term a long time but we haven't got the full information on that yet so we're back into the the basic issue of planning or planning be the plan that we have come up with as a one it's a revised plan a the advantage of it is we have more square footage  the twenty six spaces in the building then in the new building for the actual office layout some work areas some what have you the new building exceeds the a one building and only one space program space the a building is large we have twenty one hundred square feet more than we need question can we cut down a yes we can cut down a plan a want it's down at sixteen thousand two hundred fifty square feet this post puts us in that five point four million dollars using k b s numbers and there's nothing in the k b a study indicating that if we do  where we do all of the other energy where the aid that this building is in a lower position in everyone's eyes or activity or anything else they presented to not one and then they claim since the price is the same you should select the know now that this is a hell of a judgement call that has to be made new is always better if you are offered used car new car for the same price you take the new car fairly evident but the whole question i think gets down to the basic issue is the new building space effective in terms of comparison with the a one plan no it has a deficit of ten seven percent on the program they're required for the building a one has a surplus of five percent every space exceeds except one and that's one of the common areas  in the in the basement in terms of cost to come a long or a two minute illusion this whole cry i can tell you right now about two minutes the the cost issue there's several ways of looking at the know bill mentioned some of the numbers i can go and no pilot numbers you've seen some of the numbers where do we count the site doing put it in the the addition of the new fortune where do we put the elevator so that many of the little pieces like this that are floating in all of the studies so the numbers will not balance out no matter how you work it out what we're saying with confidence is the three million dollars difference between a workable renovation and addition with all of the code items put in with all of the new protections of the new heating system plumbing proofing new gutters you know all of that send there for three million dollars savings if we want to blow to three million fine you will vote at town meeting will vote i won't but the point is there's a three million dollar differential and hopefully on the  we can get deeper into this and give them some hard hard detail on it i just want to expose it at this point and offer what i could in terms of the hiring of the architect as that would be a plus to get them on board early and we can think the subject matter expertise is all over this room and i think the passion to do the right thing is she is everywhere as well one thing i haven't heard and wondered if it was germane to this conversation is the upcoming renovations of two elementary schools that are at least on the horizon and at least may be mentioned elsewhere at some other time i just wanted to bring that up and thank everybody for their passion and concern and  present location give or take a couple yeah it's going to well it will go in that direction i think the castle whose program that we just voted on has it on the site right so to go into a different site new town center town who said our town which is kind of migrated that way losing the post office most likely will have the retail level not the you know functioning organization the post office i think to the losers this off area having to tel all media center at the high school there's a little bit of an adjustment possibly over time for the janitorial staff because they have to open close for us and but they're willing to accommodate us so you know we can do that and it's going to take a few weeks to work through some of those anyway so that you need a vote from us because it does dollars attached to vote these options the people we went anywhere we'd come back to see them on the seventeenth or bob how have you been doing with that i'm doing ok with it but i did it for mark today before the meeting that i will not be submitting my name as a permanent town manager  so you're going to be able to follow whatever process you guys want to follow but i'd be happy to continue as acting until you select another one but i'm not going to be pursuing that  i started off looking at the information that the last search committee had pulled together and you know looked at what worked what didn't work and the calls institute is  is a commonwealth the of the party mass boston so it's as a municipal type of entity there's no procurement requirements with them we can we don't have to go for bid if we were to engage them do is they will they actually are available to meet with us next tuesday if we want to talk to them i thought they could give us a presentation of their services in a little more detail and  you know get ideas from us what we had in mind for a process for example one example they gave me was that they create they do the initial search process they come in they meet with us individually develop a profile for the town of the type of individual that's being looked for the position and then they do all of the search they go through all the applications and based on what we determine are the number of applicants we'd like them to bring to a screening committee that could be appointed say if we said bring forward the six best candidates to a screening committee which could be comprised of key individuals in positions in the town i think the last time we had there was the town moderator  school superintendent and other individuals who were active in politics in the town participate in the process so then we could say to the  screening committee we would like you to bring forward for example the two best candidates that you can find and then those interviews have be conducted publicly we can't conduct interviews in executive session so that would be the role of the screening committee so that's an example of an approach that you know i talked about with a contact over the phone so  i think it has some benefits if you know these people are skilled in executive search and i think again looking at what worked and what didn't work from the previous time i think it could probably help  bring forward a really robust search process and and bring forward some really good candidates this is considered one of the premier town manager positions in the commonwealth just by the nature of its uniqueness you know the small town with the very unique industries the stadium invensys so it's considered appealing to the town management group and you know based on my discussion with this contact he thought we would get some very good results from a search so so i stand right there bring us five candidates  were we would decide we as a board how many candidates we would like them to bring to a search to a screening committee they'll do the search bring forward the qualified people to the screening committee and then those screening people will to the executive i mean the you know the two finalists with the private right the private interviews and then bring forward the two or three for the public and you know i think at that point that's where you basically whatever you decide if we want them to bring just the one if there's some we could tell them if there's someone who is head and shoulders above the rest of the pack just bring that person forward you know if seen to go both ways like when you look at the school committee recruitment processes they've had that that situation happened so you know i think it's a good opportunity i think we should get some really good talent applying for the position and but i would like us to have the confidence to representatives come here and just you know have a discussion with us to get more ideas and questions that all of you may have you know just out for discussion so that we can figure out exactly what the course is that we want to do you know how we want to proceed with this meeting on the tenth of we have it would just be to get them to make a presentation on their capabilities their capabilities and then to have been in a discussion some future point they said they were going to interview each one of us yes they would do a minimum of an hour interview they said with each person people that they would speak to is that the path the board was to go down or with the board want to do their own have ties into their own committee like prior years i mean i kind of like the reins idea  yes i like him to bring us you know we're talking about by a five six candidates next committee well get it down know that and then that committee that will make that determination but i think as far as a first step to want to tame a meeting with this group is this going to be on the special town meeting i think this is for any search committee related costs at the last time around what we did is we requested a reserve fund transfer from the advisory committee authorizing that you know this is a this is a request of the of the board just like i think bob has another one for you information and then we also add a funding transfer to the same reason and if you want to talk a little bit to the board about their presentation that the calm to the two needs someone sure yeah it you know given that i'm sure don't have a lot of questions you know about the you know this funding transfer i mean it's unavoidable i mean you need to go right right through a search process and but i'm sure they have questions and i'm thinking you know personally i'm thinking that the best people to speak to it unless you have a different opinion you know would be a you know member the board or members of the board to speak to that as well as there's another transfer request for you know incremental amount for the acting time here just so we can you know pay for those manager and i was hoping that the job would entice him to put in a hat you certainly have the institutional knowledge you've got the integrity you've got the legal background and i think you would have made a great candidate so i just want to again this appointment is not the word that i'm looking for but it's along that i think you would do a great job and for whatever reasons you had you didn't want to do it but i just wanted to thank you for the work that you've done  that that's what i want to say to we needed someone to calm the waters and i think you did and and you will continue to do that until we find permanent damage and i thank you very much because you took on that you he learned it you know what i am disappointed i think all of us are i think maybe if i tell me and you but maybe not this time maybe another time around maybe somewhere but you know what we'd be lost without you right now and i'm glad  kongs postoffice comments we have to say million by the fourth is that tomorrow is tomorrow it's that very simply don if if you guys do have comments or is i put it on today as you know we had the post office on the last meeting they indicated that if there were comments to be had a comment period ends tomorrow so i just asked standard gets on for today's meeting if if the board had any comments about their proposed move on i just want to have it come from you and not me i can certainly put your comments in a written form and get them off by tomorrow but i just want to you know you have that opportunity if you actually did want to do that  zip code will remain but they're just going to have a rather than a back in processing center they're still going to have the post office that people have become accustomed to going to be able to get a clarification on a location that too soon to know i believe he indicated to me and bill can spare or was there as well that their intention is to stay within the downtown and they would just need to find a proper location whether one is available when they're looking i don't know but that was their intention i billion believe zero two zero three five is still going to be foxboro but we can mention that as well maybe want to find you all a town hall well i mean they would have considered if if timing worked in that location work for you know if they clarify what they intend to do with retail and that foxboro world will continue to have its own zip code yet your point that whether they would continue as they are the way mr i think it was his name was when the question i asked was you know the routes going to be disrupted and i got the impression he said it would concern is that is there is a benefit that the board sees to push the post office to not sell it and verse you know keep it in foxboro verse mansfield what i'm hearing is we don't get tax dollars from it we don't get exercise from other trucks are going out  f if the routes stay comparable i don't see a big loss for the distribution part going away as long as the retail stays or customers not going to different towns or remotely to a part of you know the end of  cabin on the foxboro side you want it in town so i think i think if the the strength of the letter is we please respect the retail need of the town in keep it in a location that's near the center  reiterated when i asked about the post office boxes that's considered retail so the post office boxes should be remaining you know right where he indicated was what you see when you walk through that front door everything there stamps all the other things that they sell picking up your mail the p r box of the o'barr says all of that is considered the front and the right would remain in the retail space you know and also we have hank wall hangings in the new post office that were taken from the old post office that were from like the thirty's and can we guarantee that we retain the town fox very tains them even if not in the new post ethics office space at least have the town retain the maybe give them to the historical society something because those are those are pretty significant things or know that they're like sculptures i know they're wooden from what i can remember brought to my attention that maybe the but the vote should come from the board i'm not in total agreement of that but in the essence of you know working with the board instead of working against the board i would entertain a vote of the board to complete the plan that i presented to last week with very good to the one point two five percent payout to the non union personnel i know i thought we needed to take this have just have the vote on record because what we approved during the budget process was a merit plan which was explained to us at the time what it was going to involve and what we have implemented is not that what we had approved for the budget so you're obviously right it was just not it's it was just to go on record that you know we are approving a change in the budget plan that we had  reason number two so i mean i would actually like to bring to put this on the agenda in the near future to discuss this because it needs to be set up properly oh it was never decision yes it's a chain well it's to because we've changed the budget that we had approved we had approved merit plan of a certain kind that was described to us and now we are just giving an across the board increase we're not doing america plan so i just want to be on record that we are approving this change to an across the board actually for me a change to the use of the budget is the money not only the monies that the money's there right so w that i would just i move that we approve the change from the original merit plan to a uniform one point two five percent increase for all circumstances depending upon when the individual was hired you know you know they may not have been with us the full year they may have joined us after the after the year they may have topped out on a step you know they may no longer be with you know governed under the non union personal bylaws etc with a variety of circumstances so eligibles important ok but it's not a case of the previous time manager or the acting time manager using discretion on some aspects of this and not on the other because the board is telling you that is one and a quarter across and it makes more discussion well it isn't and we dressing like a problem because really the merit system really was not ready to be rolled out and so this was the plan that a solution to to take care of the immediate problem with the idea and from from this yeah but but also i can see going forward revisions probably will have to be made because once once the plan is fully implemented in and you're going to see things that maybe aren't working out best they can be change or something like that so i think we should be able i would like to to be able to revive look look at it take another look at it just in case ravi visions like max suggested you know in the future so i'd leave that open ok and just to clarify would we approve the budget was on the fact that we were going to be presented what that plan was that that was to be implemented at this time so the money was in the budget but the ok to pull the trigger on it hadn't happened right now is that ok and i just do not have to beat it but i think it warrants saying our apologies to the people that worked hard to come up with twenty first and second correct  ceremony and talks to talk about the history of the flag and and why you know why it's retired and why it's fun and then they do then they do this or the flag burning ceremony from there you could if you  i'm talking all right this is the legal notices how warrants a special town meeting propose for may the twenty first of october article one is a budget adjustment to see if the town will vote to raise appropriate or transfer f requested to amend article four of the may fourteenth two thousand and thirteen fiscal year two thousand and fourteen in your budget in order to fund the expenses associated with one foot county a cultural high school supplemental assessment to newtown manage a salary half of the year three health and medicare insurance expenses associated with a new town manager half year as follows item one the department of state assessment of the department is county tax assessment the budget that's the budget doesn't exist now public one twenty three administration salaries the current budget is two hundred seventy six thousand and ninety eight dollars and adjusted of eighty four thousand eight hundred eight dollars and sought the revised budget will be three hundred sixty thousand nine hundred six dollars in the funding source of state aid item three department nine fifteen health life insurance expenses the current budget is six thousand six million forty nine thousand five hundred seven dollars the adjustment sought is eight thousand forty six dollars bringing the revised fiscal year fourteen budget to six million fifty seven thousand five hundred fifty three dollars in the funding sources stated my guess is you're ready for  than the second and third items are probably the easiest ones for us to address which is an adjustment to mr ation salaries for a new town manager you know again with the obligations that we have you know for the current contract when a new town unit here is is hired you know the assumption being you know first week of january you know there'd be no funds to for you for a contract to be signed to this would allow the town to have some funds to sign a contract meeting the first item i had written to the board but a month ago with all the complexities going on with the north fork county cultural school and in their funding challenges and all the various proposals that they had put forward and the long and short of it is this bill you and i sat down with the superintendent the business manager and one of the county commissioners they really get a full in depth understanding of what's an assessment beyond the tuitions support that they receive through the county assessment which is part of the state the docs we have revenue in and then they we have assessments that we have to we have to pay out one of the one this is only the fourth year in a row that they've actually had to do this because of a variety of changes in their circumstances the primary one being is that the sheriff's department was removed from the or for county it was absorbed by the state but in there's a lot of revenue associated that department and so now this less revenue coming in being shared by no four county but many of the legacy liabilities you know think of the things that we have to pay for and then she has some of those have remained in addition to that they have done a major m s b a expansion of the school and the debt service is coming on line for that as well and the y're they're coming to terms with their own opeth liability as well so as much as they loath to make a supplemental assessment they are finding the need to do so we've received  bills over the prior three years tolling about one hundred seventy some odd thousand you know we have we have not paid them because you know we hadn't received any information from anybody as to why we should have to pay them and so hence the meeting the bill and i rebel to finally have recently and where we came to terms that you know we acknowledge the law i've confirmed with department of revenue bills confirmed it with department of ed that we are required to pay this bill all of the other participants in norfork agni are paying this incremental bill we were the last ones last holdouts can was the last one before us to hold out and so that was the agreement is that is that we would we would fund the bill that  is two thousand per students or twenty students would fund this bill for this year and if they wanted to pursue the prior three they could go for a past year bill and try to attempt to get in one tense vote but the we in we told you may recall you know we go to town meeting with our best estimates of what state is and you know we have to finalize in late march early april and then the numbers don't finally settle until first we can july actually the second week in july this year so we did better than planned in terms of the state aid that's been committed to s to the tune of about two hundred twenty five thousand dollars however when you deduct the snow and ice deficit that we have to raise by law all right off the top of next year's taxes the planning number that we use it's just our planning number of two hundred fifty thousand was short by about seventy five or so so we've got we've got about one hundred forty eight thousand of extra state aid this year with that we did not commit that is take any other action related to i think you need to sleep why that's an unpaid bill sure this was a vote of the board to compensate the acting town manager for the work that that he had been doing in the prior fiscal year which is in june our fiscal year ends june thirtieth and any bills that haven't been accounted for when we you know close our system close our books which they are very closed  has to be brought forward as an unpaid bill and brought forward to a town meeting there's no other way to get an unpaid bill paid it's considered on pay because you can't use current year funds to pay for  prior years expenditure that's sort of a municipal mechanics that we have to operate with and we have to respect the integrity of the votes that are made in town meeting these funds are meant for you know for this year's purchases it cetera so this is a modest engineering cost bills and for reasons i'm explainable these bills did not make it did do not make it forward from any department for the other three bills that came in they just they never they never came forward a bill like this would have been in the budget another goes unexpended it will go back to free cash assume i'm assuming you know that this this would have into the retained earnings but at this point now we're we're down to three four thousand dollars and retained earnings so this would this now would have to as and we knew this going forward w would have to be factored into the highway budget now you know now that you know we've we've gotten out of the collection business you know that's all the billing for that's handled separately so any of the remaining costs are being absorbed and they're all have to be absorbed and other places so this is one where we were hoping that the solar project you know would be you know would would be in you know we have some progress on that and so that any f y fourteen bills if we're going to sign time there was this money was in the account but it was used for something else it was again we were in last year was the wind down here for the landfill i mean for the solid waste account so now there are several wind down costs and i'll buy back all and what it would have been would be enough to give the bills were paid zero you know timely as they came in that it would have just meant that there would have been less dollars available on if you go back to the associated with that operation will be charges cost like household have hazardous waste pickup day and in the disposal of other hazardous waste in that area so we have enough money in the solid waste and surprise account to cover that for this fiscal year but if these dollars got paid first we wouldn't have all that money in that account and we probably would have done something different like charge the amount that we were insured which would have been this amount to the highway t to the department that's responsible for paying the bills i don't think we more discussion that tonight you're going to want to say as you know this money has been set aside from past attempts to fund this project and so it's not secret money randy's had the money available and th when the c i p committee needs typically the annual meeting in march and we talk about all of the funding sources are available this is not one that's kept in the back i think there are several people on this around this table sat on that committee and are aware that you know i always point to this you know to this funding that is available in the in the committee you know is has the right to propose to use it as you see fit and other recommendation as you know has always been that this would be the soft cost to put this aside into a stabilization account exactly there was a significant amount at the end of the year that there was an expended and the thinking was let's lock it into a place that requires a two thirds vote  you know the numbers i mean it typically percentages of certain aspects of the project and most of this still might be you know high by fifty hundred thousand if we get lucky and you know that you know those funds you  thirty six thousand seven ninety one from water enterprise retained earnings sixty three thousand two hundred nine dollars from sue enterprise retained earnings and the general fund of contribute two hundred thirteen thousand three hundred thirty five dollars over a five year period and the pay back from what enterprise fund will be sixty four thousand dollars in fiscal year two those fifteen fifty three thousand dollars in fiscal year two thousand and sixteen forty three thousand dollars in fiscal year cost of this project estimated that at six hundred thousand dollars and the approach that was taken was to look at the the salary dollars associated with all the administrators who would occupy these offices w offices and their salary associated with water enterprise employees be allocated amounts of those employees to sewer and then there's also you know highway veteran park administrative folks as well which is the general fund it ministre to us so based on you know their respective salaries on and was a discussion we had the c h p committee and everybody you know this a dozen ways you could try to slice this but it seemed to be you know a reasonable approach on the ratios of which which fund would pay one kind of water and price who were the prize in general fund were divided as such as far as this is the water enterprise fronting the general fund share of two hundred thirteen thousand and that's taking a page out of the book of what was done with the mill street property but just sort of in reverse to recall when the history property was purchased really in a half of the water enterprise fund contributed three hundred thousand dollars  over five years given that part of it was water protection consider water protection area so this is sort of the same approach but in reverse two hundred thirty thousand in the way that this is done is actually relatively painlessly we do charge the water and sewer to so that will suit that purpose so i think they go hand in hand good point is that also address there's equipment being stored up in the old fire station there that be addressed by they actually calculated how much it would cost to keep us in town hall and i believe the cost was about eight hundred thousand dollars so by building this building which is going to be a modular building with an expected lifespan o forty years or greater we'd be saving two hundred thousand dollars off the top off a project by vacating it in addition to that when people have been down to the water to know that we are have outgrown that space traumatically the last several years so this will give us the space to make us more efficient and get all the people working in that apartment under one roof currently we bring highway department people what mean cross trained in the water but you know i've been to the water in several meetings i miss tonight and i missed the week before but all the other meetings that have gone to the price was five hundred thousand dollars at what point did it did you add one hundred thousand dollars and how come home the last price i heard was six hundred fifty a thousand dollars so i believe they dropped by fifty but if i'm going to have only heard six myself so i've context of the building what they look like question was raised by doing this does it lessen the burden of the town hall is it going to be small enough i don't think these water and sewer d p w space was ever in the town hall it was separate correct very good new town hall it at the very beginning it was in just before roger had right helen joined you know the town here so the very beginning we did multiple passes  there was a spreadsheet and analysis done on the cost effectiveness in looking at through attrition staffing and secretarial and in the face i said it was square footage and space and all that stuff and what i said to roger was i'm not supportive of this until i can see a breakdown of where we are now versus where we anticipated we were going to be rather than just big building of a building and moving people how was this in the original numbers and it maybe more or less but the see that analysis  you remember when we voted for the d p w merger it was kind of a two step process let's do it to see how it works and then we'll finalize it i never i don't think this board ever got back a final analysis of how that merger is on a long run that on that cost analysis so at the same time this comes up i would expect to see that analysis so that's your water and sewer piece of it but it would be it would be under roger hill's  as the i am a constitutes the district but each child has to identify a source service area and what we're going to be doing is presenting a map that lays out the existing users in the s system in addition to that working with a plan board to identify an area around the center of town i believe it's about a two block area surrounding the center of town to add that to a service area to present it to the town meeting so they can vote will prove it and it will be only existing properties that are currently on the source system and the area identified by the planning board around the center of town based on their input from the master plan and the desire to get storage around the center of town to help in this revitalization just to have any public hearings on this or in the downtown area right so that's so deplaning here the area that the plane bill is concerned about in regard to flowing there is the that's incorporated that incorporated in this so it doesn't have to be two map ready if the time meeting is it up again of october but it would be preferable that we had more time to vet it with the public get it out there and get the information out there but it's a tall meaning as an october twenty sixth we'll just have to have published the notice of the public hearing it effects as well so whether it's october the twenty first or any time within the next six with regard to these articles so i know my board is very passionate about moving ahead with their articles but in terms of time critical  has been created by virtue of the advertisement so whether it's voted on october the twenty first or march twenty first saw is it's within six months of the data the first thursday and the public hearings are held september the twelfth all of which we did in anticipation of giving had come as much time as possible oh creates a freeze so there's a matter of there voted on the master plan and the public listening sessions we're crafting an entire mixed use district in the downtown and that the thought was what do you use might there be in the downtown that could be a catalyst for this new mixed use district they had on the idea of of housing above second and third story house saying that isn't anywhere near ready but this piece this very specific piece about the brewpub was freddie and secondly mr kast bear i has had people approach have about micro brewery situations which is more up to date on a lot of these situations but i don't see a whole lot here that's going to crush too much time as far as the available time we have for the twenty first i think you would you agree th we just went through i mean the market can only tell you you know it's my seventh year and they had come to as chair some of these we did last year and they took weeks and weeks and weeks we have a bunch of new members so we're going to need to do the same work again i just don't see how it's possible so think about it we have four weeks because they have to finish two weeks before town meeting to get our recommendations to the newspaper so we have four weeks the first two weeks were really just orienting new new members randy's going to come in he's going to tell them about proposition two and a half is going to tell them about town finances because these people probably don't know any of that and they really need to understand that to be able to vote on these so that leaves us with two more weeks how could we possibly do paid articles in two weeks we don't we don't even we don't even consider an article and vote on it the same night that's against our rules so it it just seems to me the arithmetic here is you've got is just what i'm saying do you or do you see the board on article because i mean i really don't see the transfer as being the transfers are going to be hugely controversial mark because it deals with the town manager everybody has a million questions about that ok great so we're going to we're going to spend a lot of it when we get to article one we're going to spend a huge amount of time on that and i would if it before i forget i would advise you to add the two reserve fund transfer stew this warrant in case they don't pass at at the advisory committee you're going to need to have those in this warrant if they don't pass right  we never vote we never vote the night that we first see any issue that's against our rules unless it you know if there was some big emergency but people's lives depended on it but that's clearly not the case so so larry certainly that's certainly gives us more time i mean that's i don't want to speak for paul but it's not comfortable but it's still fairly definitely better than because normally we wouldn't be able to work over thanksgiving week anyway you know ad com and i know when i was on it com i looked at my job is to do the homework for the citizens who show up at town meeting so and so they could rely on the on the  on november eighteenth rather than october twenty first when you know we've all been through it and mean i i'm sympathetic with the plight of bad come to do a good job for the citizens of foxboro you know if you go back time i know that probably a few articles could be done maybe three in two weeks spam but that still doesn't give you any time for research has certainly not town hall in town hall it's a multi night so the other thing i'll point out i think i heard randy say that the five hundred fifty thousand dollars going to require a two thirds vote that's a high bar and if if you know last year we met three times about just town hall and after the third one i polled the board and asked does anyone on this board at the time i think there were thirteen of us asked if any was it was in favor of it no one raised their hand and i don't think that that's so much because they're against town hall but it was just we didn't feel like we had all the information that we needed and that's going to happen again and if if we go to town meeting and add come as unanimously against it and you need a two thirds vote it's going to be very very difficult focusing on your committee has voted on the board voted to go with a new one so i would hope we would be sidetracked it you mean by entertaining other plans and other yeah i mean that that's stopped my decision but i was going to do that last year if i did yeah but i was going to do it last year you know we had a meeting set up because what we want to do when we get to town meeting is we don't want citizens getting up and asking us about that other plan and not having the answers right but it's going to happen no matter what you do i'm just trying to say you know it's been three years now of to get in there the the naysayers rose to say it's going to happen no matter what you say but i think the focus on town was to stay on the plan that has been set forth and i really don't think there's going to be as much as a brouhaha as people think on the concept of newer or remodeling i think it's everybody's kind of focused now on remote no so i would hope that ad corn we were last year to expedite as much as they can i'm concerned that the advisory committee of the or the going to be saying in no disrespect to you know i may not get into something that happened last year too much pressure a period of time that happened last year where we we just couldn't get to an rotten maybe that's a problem it's not a problem it's a it's an asset to the town i think you can see it at town meeting it was an asset in the town thirty years ago when i did it was an asset at the town fifty years ago when other people did it i don't i don't mean to be disrespectful but maybe it maybe it's the way it's being operated i don't know well we're we're an independent board and we have to do with the way that we think it needs to be done and no disrespect intended but ok you know and you know i think it's up  worse i'm getting to that point myself what did you make of a concern is what happened thirty years ago verse the way it is now it's kind of it's too late to be arguing that right now what the voters are going to whether they come you know whatever week that they come in the ad com is not ready to make a recommendation and a lot of people don't read the stuff and get involved they rely on the icon that they're going to be saying we didn't have enough time letters we're going to get the editorials on don't we don't you're done with that but the town reads it in the time there's no advocacy group for the town hall the gist is it is what it is you don't have the police you don't have the schools you don't have the athletic let x you know  moment and we're in little red groups you've got town hall and wear it and we're not going to be able to raise a flag and say we're we know better than the ad because it's just not going to happen on a two thirds vote and you know i heard was said if this is been going on for thirteen years it's going to be another year that it's going to fail i honestly believe that you know if i think our best shot is to would allow the articles that don't make sense with all due respect to the elected you know water and sewer and playing bo if if honestly we need to here then we've got to push the meeting off and we're going to push the town hall off for a year because we'll get the funding but it's not going to be ready to have specs and design plans by may we  this exact article of last year's special town meeting warrant and there was nothing about october no one ever said it had to be done in october and and i actually was on the last two specialty meeting warrants this exact article now they both got taken off at the last minute for various reasons but no one ever said it had to be done in october as we had earlier don't we had we been a lot of time on that we would i would be exactly but had we known that this had to be done in october we probably would have met this summer but to come to us now and say it's it's our problem i just don't think that's that's very respectful of the board for one thing it's just not a good plan i mean we always get to this point every fall right i mean i i bet on the outcome now this is my fourth year for this this you know this consecutive term and every fall we have this article and we always figure out some creative way to kind of mess it up so you know it's moving on where you want to and i just asked larry so if we were to do consider doing two special town meetings one nov eighteenth for the first three articles and the other december thirtieth eight or you know they were done the walpole library they had a meeting in july and august granted it's not preferred because most people in vacation but if we're going to lose a month why not have a special time meeting in in november have a regular time meeting in may and then of all those well for the design development and getting documents then we have the special town meeting in june and sometimes we met twice a week plus we all go to other meetings i'm here we had a number of people here go to school committee meetings planning board meetings water and sewer commission meetings or working every night mark so i you know i don't like the day ok ok so the twelve you know so it gives us six months less a week to get if we have it on november eighteenth they'll give us almost exactly six months for the town hall and  if we push bill and his group it's probably the best that we can do now deal he said you could do it other than monday night november the twelfth tuesday will be it be it's tight it be it be nice if one of the other articles fell off to the wayside if it didn't have to happen i mean my whole intention was used to have a couple articles on this and started with three t by the seventeenth right if we only take three on the twenty first why wouldn't you be able to most likely handle the rest of them by just for us we can december have to look at the calendar but you have thanksgiving in there you don't mean that thanksgiving you might only end up with what is that three weeks four weeks in the end of the first to again we need to finish two weeks before the town meeting take a week out eighteenth the seventeenth to fifteenth to say i can call i'm on the top of my head only december's i spend in town meetings but a days in december so my point is i don't see why we can't just have one now the process of three audibles the top three priorities this what this was all intended for not to russia had gone not to bog down every department in town and then all these other came in because we poured it all for request not expecting so twenty first for the three articles and then have a second one and it is december or january as a matter you know i'm not trying to be like to know it all here but what about october twenty second is one more week to to hear that don't even overlook i know just looking at body language and you you're pretty adamant you don't want to special time meetings before that right i don't i don't not know i don't care about that but you know if you're going to go make the effort i can't believe they can't look at three articles in a couple weeks period i just can't believe that and so you've got you're only talking seven articles here we're not talking twenty two th thirty five that we do want to typical annual town meeting we're talking about seven articles i can't believe they can't look at that in a two week period i just can't you know  that the town hall they've looked at it a billion times or a lot of new people about i get right at it people i get you know we're going to we're going to move into next week's discussion a fantasist discussion when moving on because nothing constructive is going to happen here anymore as written and submitted second and the comments where it says members present lorraine jr and john says members excused when we want to excuse we just weren't present theory for a long time taxi so if you remember the first one was a table because it was some question whether or not the prior license issued had actually been issued to that gentleman had not ok and i did learn now that there for a two year term i didn't know that before preparation for negotiations with nonunion personnel or to conduct elective bargaining sessions or contract negotiations with nonunion personnel deputy police chief john chandler pending litigation