also anybody speaking tonight make sure you address let me know your name where you live we're going to start this meeting with a public comment period cravings that are not on the agenda so anybody for public comment  being simply overlaid on the existing logging road for some feet however there are builders stakes closer to the thomases property s so i have a concern that the driveway is actually going to be does this not fit with the cut that we approved and i don't know what to do about that  road is going to be used for the first hundred feet or something like that for seventy five feet and curiously enough has marked on the drawing stakes p w wanting to and very small print so i just don't know what to do issues about redirecting water flowed responsible the other thing i noticed was that without transit with me and not being a surveyor it seemed to me that the high point is actually right about at the logging road the dead's kind of the height of land there and from the morning road one direction flows toward the thomases and the other direction flows down towards the questions in my mind all the answers to it yet i'd this is a new one i mean i've never had to stop something or interrupt something like that so i don't have to deal with it be perfectly honest with you and but that doesn't mean we shouldn't do something or going to be proactive about it i just i don't know how to answer you tonight on how to if anything is being done wrong we need to look into it if something's being done longhand how do you stop it immediately from the you know what i mean like we're not here all day and i don't have the authority to go up and say stuff so i need to figure that out  rehab them and make them a safer better place troller documents as you know the old ball tends to flood and get wet and we're putting a new floor in there so and we've had in the budget to work on these vaults for quite some time and is  important as the historical societies belongings are within those vaults also important as you well know is all of it documents of the town right so our priority is to the documents of the town but also to try to preserve this is storable stuff we are under a pressing issue of especially with the old ball that we need to clean now because we're going to do these renovations so that means that the historical societies things need to be moved out of there and needs to be emptied out that does not mean that some things  eventually could not go back in that bowl that does not mean that you know if there's a map from eighteen whatever you know maybe it should be stored in that vault maybe that's the say the safest place for it but there is definitely a mean time here in the area where we need to move relatively quickly in emptying this thing out to do the renovations and so i think it's going to take longer to answer these questions then the time we need in which we need to clean out a ball  so i'm hoping that the historical society is comfortable also all working together but the stuff getting over to the old school house and being there it safely as they can for this period of time while we renovate this this  t and then and then we look at where the stuff should be from there because it does it does need to be moved i don't i don't know what else to do there a think in the meantime it sounds to me like we have a decent plan for the time being in the next month or so to scotch point out the file stuff over there at the schoolhouse and then gayle we address these questions which bring up bigger issues of how we're greed with they would then be covered with insurance and he would no longer have that cost in society so that's is something we should explore with with gayle's questions here to see if there is a way to store up a society can have something like a blueberry social not spend two hundred dollars on it seems to ba originated from the town old maps or something that are part of our archives then they belong to the town so it's going to become a piecemeal discussion as to who owns which piece of what or if they were just let by these documents right and by by you guys are kind enough to spend your time moving them in filing cabinets from here to there does not mean who owns them who doesn't own them or any of those things none of that is decided now but there's a group of people who are interested in preserving these documents to get them out of the boat where they need to get out of to go to another building and i think we should be comfortable as a group with that decision yet it does not mean we know who isn't you know who's they are at this point that and that movement does not decide who's they are ok let's be clear on that  dead all right repair or maintenance from the town and so on and further says and everybody's deed i think says you got to sign on to this or just it's a condition of the deed that  developer and his successors are signed shall plow repair and maintain said roadways at their own expense now that throws a cloud over the whole proposition but it is also in the current edition which is dated two thousand and two of the town road policy which goes back to at least one thousand nine hundred eighty six it says it is the policy of the town it is it is the policy not to be classify private roads as public roads and i'd be interested to hear why in the case of jackson hill the town should depart from that policy thought i had a question though i would love to have an answer which is why should we the town change its policy which is stated that it shall not be classified private but please that argument could apply to anybody who lives on a private road which means the town should be dropping its policy and supreme something private to the public roads which would like me since i live on a wrecking as they were being built was kind of a deal with the builder here going to put this many houses here we do this road it's been done in the past i don't know a few years ago yeah i don't and i don't know if it ever might just started private really quickly than done that i'm not excusing it or anything like that but i think that was the process and it was quite a when they bought their houses to other people in the town and i'm looking for a reason why we should shift the cost of homeowners who bought on a private road to the rest of the people and because i have an interest in the property and jackson hill one thing that really shows it to me as being on this board for coming on through years now as we have a serious financial issue in this town we are not going to be clear they would be not doing well financially we do not say you guys all drive these roads you drive pleasant valley right now there is potholes it is not in good condition our dirt roads are not well you know where these guys are out here working hard enough growth we are culverts failing all over the place and every time we work on this budget we all work on this budget dave worked on this budget with the last time we were trying not to raise taxes working hard on trying not to raise taxes yet expenses are always going up you know an oil filter that for the truck that used to be one hundred bucks is now three hundred bucks you know just like all our lives all those expenses are going up and up and up and up yet we have a very small tax base in this town we don't really bring in so you know we either have expensive method and as you all well are aware of there's only two parts to this spreadsheet grants don't come in that much for any stuff we have and so we're really not we're really struggling to keep up with the roads that we have and if we look at private roads as nine miles of roads which we have of those and if we took them all over the financial burden would be really draw down on the other three roads we can't keep up with already so as a responsible member of the budget that i try to work hard at keeping relatively not flat funded but we're trying to keep it down as much as possible taking on more road maintenance to me in a time when our revenues are not going up we don't have any commercial enterprise as we all know so our revenues are low our expenses are high and i keep seeing that happen every budget i look at and that really worries me as a select person here that that difference and so when the issue of this road and therefore these roads all these roads being taken over because i have to look at it as a whole i do have to look at as a whole i worry about that expen now there may be questions of bring it up to standard or something like that well but the argument on its own can be applied to any pressure of there may be other hurdles to jump but the the all the possible future scenarios but my question was why should we abandon the stated policy at the time which is there were bound by and my reason is i have not heard the sufficient argument for abandoning the longstanding town policy and imposing taxes imposing expenses on other taxpayers who do not live in jackson hole road and it's useful information as far as you know he has no plans to develop that this isn't part of a development package so it's not really pertinent here somewheres and you recognize the fairness taxpayer argument it's already been raised but you say it's also in the best interests of the town i live on a private road and i pay lower taxes why is it in my best sometimes it comes back to you know you guys knew what you bought into you knew you had the expense of a road i think it also really comes home for me and my job here i've learned to do more and more it's been really hard to put a lot of legal matters for me to deal with is to listen to the policy of the town and you make a good point it's not for this board to sit up here and make deals you know and i don't think cliff meant it in that way when he spoke of fifty houses going in that sort of thing i think that's where the policy is written that way so that different ideas can be discussed but as much as possible i've found that falling it sounds weak but falling back on holocene is the best policy and let the voters change the rules if they need to be changed you know we're going to be working on a new growth policy here at some point in this town well then maybe like you on a points out maybe it isn't well written i know a lot of the public is not really written because we have problems about so we need to have a better written road policy and maybe it would avoid confusion we would avoid people coming here fifteen times or whatever these guys are felt like they've come here to do so there's probably flaws in it but it is very clear what our policy says and again speaking for myself here it's important that i look policy i look to the what's legal not what i feel is right in my heart or any of those things that's not for me to decide it's for the voters to decide so that's why tonight i see i see the policy and i want to i want to stand behind the policy because i need to stand behind all the townspeople not just some of the interested townspeople in this subject  changing in this town always be aware you're a well educated guy with a lot of stuff in your head there you'll be able to weigh in on things like this maybe you can affect change at that time not necessarily not your whole road change but need to do something you believe that's not right in policy you should become part of the town's voice in saying what's right and wrong about policy and you may be able to make change policy with a screwdriver but there are a series of steps to be gone through and to my fellow select board members some of the steps have been followed some of them haven't been i suggest we ignore that given the mr collins has been waiting since february to do this but among other things applicant must submit a sketch of the plot on that which includes a lot line of a proposed right of way on that the property bearing tax personal number ph want to leave be granted sobek to the following conditions which shall be noted on the access permit which is what we do there's space on the access from the drive we shall be built to the standards set out in the underhill road policy including standard be seventy one and shall follow the alignment shown on sheet s one dated five twenty three twenty fourteen submitted by the applicant the driveway shall be for agricultural purposes only  more than three hundred feet from the edge of the town right of way extension of or other use of the driveway shall require an amendment by the select board to this access permit and here's what i've done is because we don't know where the driveway is going to be up there and you may have a different alignment you may actually be wanting to run it straight or build over that piece a ledge we just don't know but you want to get to the sugar house by my measurement with my architectural work three hundred feet get you past the sugar house oh and by your contour lines that doesn't involve any particular grade i don't need your permission to go anywhere with first three hundred feet for a single family home and ask me to come back with a permanent house location in the driveway planned for from that point on that's reasonable which which anybody else would have to do to show us a little of their drive which are i don't want to eight you want to make sure that the thing that you build for health not for a sugar house and so so you but can you understand why we can't say all the way but that's why i don't i don't probably all the way i just have a problem with what i'm policy to the standard be seventy one and shall follow the old alignment children sheet as one dated five twenty three twenty fourteen submitted by the applicant the driveway shall extend for no more than three hundred feet from the edge of the town right  and syria are very close to each other and sometimes hard for both of them to concentrate while on the phone or all people are coming in i think we've been talking about different ways to restructure downstairs while back i think it was a local if you were the on this board we talked about maybe moving or over into the let's call the corner and shuffling some things around i've been pressing you guys politely to come up with a date you guys can look look you know and you guys are busy so i wanted to i didn't want the time to slip by so i came in these guys i said let's find some dates where you could do this they came up with some dates sherry and i talked in the past the town through has been has helped move things around but i was a free that with as busy as they are this thing would keep getting pushed off and pushed people sort of at bay a little bit is there just not coming in and rushing at sarah's desk or going through stuff or whatever that so you have to visualize the downstairs we would put in me wall from where the back of the copier is on that post to  the handicapped force that we decided right the handicapped portion and we're going to move it to where the copier is now that will be the counter that people can come to mean most handicappers you know the low part of the low point of the county we're just going to swing it so it's on the other side to the  the plan is everybody agrees with the plan about the slight shuffle around of things down there right there in the movers are nominal amount of money moving the furniture around is just these guys time the cost actually comes in the slate reconfiguration of the new wall and then probably building some more shelves and that sort of thing we have excelled building is willing to do this and willing to do it soon in this remodel will not exceed more than two thousand dollars without further consent and sherry's met with xcel building about that we are under a time st from budgetary standpoint we have my thousand five thousand dollars from that goes away as of july one and so that's why we're working under a bit of a timeline in order to do this before the end of the  with the concept of look at the plans it looks just like a sidewalk this is my driveway and water comes down through here like this runs across the room down through here but there also is another call for here just before this guy's house through your reach for your property i notice that this inlet here is because it's a thirty inch color is therefore lower then of course this twelve inch culvert here because because this is a shallow ditch probably enough room i'm here to build a ditch these days is massive you don't just as you know scoop away a foot of of stuff here and i'm not in order to bring water down here in change the water from we'll have more water to contend with we definitely need water continuing to go through your property and you don't contend that we don't we just can't you're just saying there's more there than the force we need to put it there but you would be hoping i think that up there just downstream and that has a tendency to work and it's right near the downstream side of the culvert as i recall it and that effectively cuts off any flow down there at all  and channel i said road well you've got to go down to the twelve inch culvert and depending on strong it is it may make it through well i think that that kind of goes back to sharing on the water you know if friday he's going to write up recommendations really thinks most everything that he would recommend cheaply is in place with the exception of the road markings are faded best at best fade it didn't say anything in my inbox problems so i don't really have anything more than that but some crosswalks and stop are there things there are signs that a driver paying attention would be looking for  agenda you'll do you're going to see that we're going to be discussing the town tanith by the way i live by that down on in here's what i've found here's what i'm seeing and it is a great place to start a discussion to notify people of your the informed audience there a lot of people visit down  time no idea what's going on there after our break because you had a clean up so no i think it's totally appropriate to to start a discussion you're speaking as a citizen not as a sly quarter not as a meeting or anything else you're just talking about your feelings what you guys are seeing as na hopefully has ended well we'll see gotta keep an eye on it and if you see one call me call bryant and i will come down there we've just come out a flyer on the town help officers how to deal with this and there's a  but he feels that his legal paper if opinion is that we'd be ready to move on to the road policy so that's good news because we have worked very hard at a road policy bread hold in and carry our of hours he gets between seventy five eighty five dollars an hour for his work and he thinks it would cost a thousand dollars of his time to take what he knows about the road policy to the next  john would be more than willing to spend some of his time looking at it from a legal point of view to make sure that it is written properly and then after those steps it would then come to us as the sly court into the town and then we could take forty eight hours or something like that to look at that is two hundred fifty dollars an hour so that could be a couple more thousand dollars is my guess so you might my idea could spend maybe two to three thousand dollars on bringing it really close over a policy that then we can all look at of course i would want you know brian working with brad on and sarah working on it and everybody else in the office working out and putting in their two cents to but the thought can i suggest a preliminary step cut of the current draft before it goes to bread i have to tell you that my bias is for economy of expression i had to go through those   let's so the plan of action is you're going to grab it you're going to mess with it do your thing and then will reconvene and if the bread thing works will do that will add that maybe will be less spread of that point maybe not all to see and definitely i know since you're not town council we will then send it to cambodia where ok so that's the way forward at that same time i would i think it's really still i think it's been a parent to this board especially that we should look hard at the access permit and how those actions and the korean process and the process in which they're granted and we can look at jericho we can look at doing it from a more administrative point of view but i think some of the onus has to come off on us so that we don't have yeah just keep your signature here and do you have a new town plan will you raf compatible to get maximum funds on st trevor would need to find some reason in the statute for going into executive session and those reasons are quite limited  mail as to how they go about doing their business i don't see this as contracts labor relations arbitration grievances other than tax we will see a source of personal grievance pending or probable wanted to talk to us about the business of the conservation commission doesn't seem to come under the any of the headings ok so he cannot make a night meeting for a while and he they could talk to us before that so we could do an open meeting on when he's available for giving us feedback about you know his answer to yes i think it's important that we hear that question a process on why wouldn't this be done in our next regular meeting i think housekeeping for that commission they should be everything he's saying they should be doing it you know i think everybody wants a doctor's about or abhisit he wants to answer to what this letter is called and you can write a letter  ordinarily you make it however many members who have at a given time who have them up and feel school board has fifteen people on it but somebody has moved somebody else's resign somebody else had a baby so you've got you know twelve members on a given day that doesn't mean we have to get a majority of fifteen we get a majority well that's because they're right let's let's let's let's put this on the agenda for the next meeting ok and  can make that meeting and speak to it but it also gives then this party the option to be there and it's well warmed in that way and it's all open meetings so let's let's continue in that direction then yes that's puts more of how the pleasant valley reconstruction project was left and during the pleasant valley reconstruction and there was much to do with the lot of the neighbors about the land and how  it was a it was a stressful time for many people in the area i don't know of any written agreement in writing and i think caroline references that that says that me they bought me some trees that i installed they they they tried to move a stone wall in some manner it didn't work out but they they they i think that they did some things to appease the did the impact of the project on my property that was also and there was the things like that that carolyn also spoken about these carolyn's property was as effective as mine more pectin than mine and carolyn one thing that was talked about with her was to change the shape of her driveway and let a turnaround be be made within her driveway that didn't happen for a while but i think last summer she came in and we actually had the town to go over there and spend the town  done in front of her house i was not the i was not on this board when that discussion was done i was then i came onto that board and was then a part of that discussion but again i wasn't there for the decision part of the discussion discussion or what carolyn is old i wasn't there for that it was before my time but from my understanding last time i had when my had brad and steve there and brandy were part of that committee they gave me the understanding that she was all this driveway work and some sort of bushes out front and as she points out at me email she jenna feels that i dropped the ball on her bush it was also but a lot of money and time was put into the other project but that doesn't mean we shouldn't do the bushes so it's really hard to say i think what needs to be done at this time i think i do i believe that carolyn was someone may have offered carolyn some sort of planting in front which she has never gotten so that that brings us to i think i summarize that e mail pretty well there's a the problem of erosion and i went and got a quote from a professional service that sprays on that green stuff that can grow on rocks and it's just insane it would have been eight thousand dollars to do that cross correctly it also needs to be done up on the we did up on stevensville so it was neat thousand our move for all that the rest of the board thought that was too expensive and thought that the so that the town crew could do it with it with renting a machine they went and spent three thousand it if you look at it yeah i don't know we're off the center line in how much of early and we took i think there was i think the town you know and she stressed signed off on something there was some of that and sewed it over to me on like you know you guys are allowed to do this i know there's some sort of it yeah you'd have to talk to somebody who knows the stuff you know what intervals they should have planted so yeah it's more of a landscape or trade question and the land and all that sort of stuff so we have that issue and then the bank erosion issued separate not even from her drove topsoil up there and dropped it off there was topsoil applied to that and a lot of it i saw it happen especially in the upper part but still it's it's what it is and it's still bony  agree and we don't really have the money or resources to put in more into seeking that bank i know that it's a shame that the project is left that way in our town and looks that way doesn't look good but that's neither here nor there and i don't feel that it would be right to spend any more money on that and i live next to it definite i ninety nine percent sure something was promised to her by a prior schleck or to plant something there i mean back then if it was just about the right away and none of those promises are discussions were had been and i would i would with and was kind of put in charge of doing the driving part of it with her and working with the crew on that so they definitely as members as brett when i was with brad and steve definitely guess if go help with that driveway things so that to me says that they knew of something that needed to be done for her and i think we need to hear i think would be my opinion is i think we still hold carolyn something up and down but you do have regarding what a full time employee is and we as a board along with industry staff to say that thirty hours per week was was more appropriate than th nine further result of the town of underhill adopt the town of an aircraft carrier cafeteria plan effective jerry one twenty fourteen as a town saw premium only plan p o p under section one twenty five the internal revenue  rest of the page on this cows but it does say that after overhearing we need to make a rigid decision putting the reasons we've already made our decision but it looks like a