hearing before the immigration judge was just saying requested asylum based both on his political opinion and his membership in a particular social group relating to his family in this decision the judge only briefly mentioned the second ground protection but made no what is the evidence that tells us if taken as truthful which i think we have to just point out that gives us the proper nexus well for particular social group it's clear that when the sing  it's really a reflection of the police motivation of disapproval of their political activities and the political goals that they have manifested interactivity and the police at one point gauging or believing in free cost on the song would there be a proper political connection or a protected ground if the only thing that we had was very strong suspicion maybe even well founded suspicion by him and his mother that the police and killed the father they bring complaint against the police and the police do these bad things to him in an effort to get them to withdraw a fully legitimate complaint would that be a political would that be a protective ground if we didn't have the calloused on in the background well i believe so your honor and i think that and so why because i think complaints about police abuses are inherently political i think we've seen some of that in the united states this summer with some of the incidents in ferguson where there was a quite a bit of political uproar over people complaining about the police treatment and police conduct and those areas and i and then you have a chance to respond to i appreciate the actions of the police don't reflect any sort of concern for political opinion let me think about it if i look at the evidence in a different way i think it does suggest that they were interested in his political opinion of the first one there after his father far forbidden political activity which if they were persecuted if they were after the father an abused father that's going to be a protective ground for  and the son is protecting the father and i think if i'm the police i might suspect more than me or sort of feel loyalty i might suspect political agreement as a reason for protecting the father that's a little bit mistreat him there's a fair amount of politics in there that's not really personal they were after the father because he was after free house them some want to have won't tell him where yes when they when they when they are accused of killing the father who had political opinions of what he just approved they'd take into custody and beat this man and tell the complaint was withdrawn how can you say there's no political connection father had involved in political activity that was insufficient to establish a nexus to protect the ground because the evidence showed that the that the police came after the son to recruit him into stopping him from helping his father so what do you do with the police when they have in custody the second time they call him a big callous they don't say you know this is a totally unfounded complaint when i want this to go away they said you're a bit callous johnny will drop a complaint while you're on i think that's an isolated statement funny statement and this record the way it occurred it didn't tie back to the father's political activities with respect to this letter writing campaign that he  very vague and it's not sufficient to show to show that the police were coming after him for anything more than then getting complain nancy i don't believe remains the best thing to do because here he agency found two specific reasons neither of which is a protective ground now he could have developed a whistleblower theory below that seems to have been like the best  killed in an accident in which the police had a hand i mean this is this is not sort of this coming out of out of the blue some guy get killed and i own the life and maybe the police cruiser him know they they've been after this man they had been beating maybe depending on how you characterize it torturing this man he's now if you now turns up dead his wife and son suspect that the police had a hand in killing him and given the background it doesn't seem that to be a totally off the wall suspicion and then when the mother and the wife and the son file a complaint against the police they beat this guy in order to get it withdrawn circumstantial evidence you have it is circumstantial evidence you thank you i think only a lawyer could say that asking someone about their political opinion and making fun of their political opinion means that they're not interested in that political opinion i think clear facts of this case demonstrate that there is  direct evidence that the pleas for motivated by mr seems like opinion in prosecuting him and that really is the best evidence that he can present is what the police actually said that's the best evidence of their motivation and there is plenty of other circumstantial evidence