version for them there's all these different steps that to go through whereas the industry for movies was you know relatively controlled to the industry for the i think now whenever they bring it up into sport i think i think there's a greater chance for success for three d outside movies it's the secondary industries that are what's going to determine successful and i think movies is just one aspect that i think if sports adopts it's then it has a fifty percent greater chance of being sort of survival anywhere else because that's a different aspect that we haven't seen yet and i think that's one of those things that certain people are looking towards to find out yeah i mean i would agree that the outside influences are going to determine the success of three d but the thing the movies have the advantage over is they control the way that you watch stuff i mean you know you're sitting in a specific you know you're sitting in a certain selected number of seats as we started to really hit on last week with when you sit down to watch television you can be anywhere in your room you can be anywhere you can be any distance from the t v and so it becomes much more difficult because in television they don't control how you consume how do you watch the content and so it becomes i think a technical hurdle and i personally i mean i think that three d has a very very limited shelf life in the home and i think it's almost dead on arrival here as far as being successful and i think there's a lot of factors that are working against three d in the home i think that the fact we just had this digital transition tons of people bought brand new television sets a lot of them granted were secondary t v s they're for their bedrooms they're for their their kitchen on the people of their bathroom but and so to get somebody who just spent three four five hundred or thousand dollars on a television set to go by again you have to have some compelling reason for it and i don't know three d again is so is narrow in its ability to as you said you know sporting events would be a great thing movies are great thing but beyond that realm there's not a whole lot of kind of like when h d first became popular and you had all these channels these huge channels that were nothing but garbage but they were in h d so they were like oh here's where there's an h d channel and i think content is going to be huge issue because movies can afford to do it i don't know if t v shows are going to make that leap into their i mean you look at high definition high definition was adopted and digital digital was adopted by movies dot com by television small independents every everybody could could make that move with three d you've got the real high end stuff and there's a lot of lower end three d and often that i think goes along with it and then too you've got smart television which are coming down the pike i mean is going to be a big thing that's a lot of investment of research and development and technology that i think is going to push three d to the side will see these have it as a capability probably but i just i don't see that enough content going to happen you look at local television ll three of us are much more attuned to quality differences like that but to me it's such a huge gulf between standard definition and h d that if t v stations aren't willing to make the jump on a product of this clearly superior are they ever going to make the jump into kind of a niche market where not seeing a whole lot of necessarily return on it unless a lot of people that way i mean i agree with you and disagree at the same time and my example was local newscast as well as much as a problem for a local newscast to jump into digital and h d they are there and they're not going back again they're not abandoning it they're not not doing it for me and it's a big problem and i'll get off on a little tangent here because now i see how bad the makeup is on local newscasters i mean it's horrendous they know how bad the hair jobs are and how bad the dying is and all that stuff it's horrendous but they still done it they're doing it  and i don't agree with the cost problem because the more this gets out there the cost is going to come lower and lower really fast to an extent agree upon or sports what's driving it but that's done already i don't think any of that's the case what you brought up in the first time we sat down and that's the glasses have to go and until we get to that level people are not going to adopt it it's there it is that there i want to say the first three blu ray i thought was some of the neighborhood of last november last october and it sits on my shelf i have no intent of buying myself a three three d player i have no intent of buying myself three d television but all of that stuff is going to be incorporated into it when something as simple as a p s three now is upgraded to play all blu ray three days that came just through the software and the system there of the continual sales and upgrades of it when the smart t v comes and that's coming down the line all of that technology will be built into it in an ongoing feature basis so when that comes it's going to be on my television eventual e i mean you talk about the digital adoption and the h d adoption all that  after the show last time about d v d s being the fastest adopted new technology and almost right on its heels i mean and certainly in my perspective of life not the technological sense meet the knees came out and what's the first time i had a d v d player in my house  three and i was probably on the tail end and three three years ago so we're talking for five years was the general upgrade time from d v d to blu ray that is what's that we hate like or whatever this adoption is coming there's not in place in televisions because you can adapt from the other industry that i was going to mention was the video game industry you have the little three d s it's not traditional i mean it's not real three d just like i mean all the three that we're talking about here is trickery regardless of just say i was going to watch a regular in two d so if you had a television that allows you to tall go between that let's say you don't want to sit and you have a designated area where that three screens going to work for you now let's say i want to view it outside we have people doing it outside right we can't watch t v now we go back to our to tell it something that you can poke with tween that aspect so you don't have to be forced to do that or see you understand your limitations you can watch otherwise and again same thing with another industry adopting it staying with a video game i recently read an six inch screen you're playing with now the idea of having this three d is i had this giant fifty inch tell in my basement sure we can both play on that obviously it's more than enough to accommodate people with the three s which you can each wear so the glasses one person looks at this pos at this position they both have a fifty inch screen so is that technology using three d we're not using it in that conventional sense do you think you want to do television tom i get what you're saying that something that's going to choose but the problem's going to be what it is that i'm sure there'll be some kind of toggle the first step after that is where people sitting there sitting outside the realm will shut that off and then you know little indicator going down about where people sitting other sitting in the right place a lot of medicine come back on i mean it's going to have the capability to look around or it just based on what's there i mean this is this is not you know but the april this is a year to three years down the line i mean a look at what technology we bought two years ago that's already obsolete guess my bigger concern is that if if three d is not something that is mass accepted at how basically to whose advantage is it to have three d who trust you're talking about you talk about the p s three sony is the originator of blue ray they have they have a financial gains to make like making sure blu ray stays as long as they can and they figure well three days another nature where we can kind of do that always has their own player their their push trying to push their consumable products by by making the player be have more advantages but i wonder at what point because for the other manufacturers if three d doesn't sell televisions a doesn't move t v s you're putting technology you're putting you're taking away processing power or whatever out of your television let's face it t v s are computers now and then that's again part of the smart t v revolution every so you have to designate a certain amount of of your technology of your processing power towards or your research and development because we all agree three is so much in its infancy in the home because you still have to wear glasses for the most part i'll sort of individual experience a one on one kind of thing  you know there is the connector out there which does recognize you but they say i was very bad in low light situations which i would think most people when they're watching movies in their home and that's the other thing too we may want to talk about differentiation between is some of swartz's there's television and there's movie watching granted those of dovetailed into each other but the movie watching experience a lot of times you're in me sitting maybe you know put the lights out and some popcorn or whatever you're not moving whereas and so the t v is going to start to have a difficult time telling where you are and and that sort of thing outside of wearing something that identifies that might be the first step but you're remember you're looking at two three years down the line under the current technology and the connect first and contagion the big criticism is gosh i can't see in low light situations guess what the second one well i mean that's a that's a blip on the radar as far as all of that's concerned increase the ability deferential eight between  smaller changes in color and light you insert two or three perspectives on it you insert something on your whatever i mean that that is a minor thing a nothing as the far as the long term aspect of it but by the time they get over that hurdle do you think that one of been enough three d created content doesn't matter that you know they'll have new three d content every day there's a baseball game on i mean something else is going to happen it's going to be some new technology i mean  proposition for them that they're in its infancy yes but that cost you know what i heard i was listening to say the first furby cost a million dollars and everyone else cost a nickel so i mean that first technology it's very expensive after that mine or the other the other aspect as well as we're drilling on television yet there's always different facets of the home where you can bring three d into it you're talking about the personalized experience laptop computers and the i pads are now all the tablets all those kind of things even your cell phone adjust itself in that kind of venue to bring either your video processing were other things i know we briefly talked about which means from play interesting aspect was something as simple as when you're on a web site using a three d aspect for shopping being able to have feet long this kind of thing i can't really deal with visualize how high that is in the base of these chairs in the picture now with that three rendering of it i can spin around it's actually coming out towards me i can get a better aspect of how it's going to line up in my home there's all these different aspects outside of television and film that i think is going to be what's the driving force to make it stay whether that is as a mainstream main runner or like h d is becoming like the standard now it's moving towards the standard i would say i don't know if three d will get to that point b definition had these niche markets whether that is inside my television screen or inside my computer screen or other kind of venue that way i think that's a complete different aspect of the home so i guess the question becomes is you know is a company like amazon which i think stands to gain in the most from something like that are they already into researching that and they may or may not i'm sure you know i it's interesting that i i guess because the film is the most spectacular but it's interesting that it is hit there and is it in gaming most to start i guess to you've got the fantastic of film and you have extremely dedicated audience in gaming that w screen experience so there's another storyline going on same time i'm watching the show well there's already most of there's already television that are coming out again they were i guess on the slant c s that are no longer sixteen by nine but they're twenty one by nine and the idea being that films are not shot typically in the sixteen by nine one three five to one but the say it from committed i believe you would be two three five to one but what the idea is when you're watching a film that would be full screen when you're watching television you would have that you would have a twitter interface or or something like that so no additional along yeah which i think is a very interesting idea but again you start to say well i also might all come down to what's going to sell and what's  point where we're not as interested in the technology anymore where we are i mean no offense author there are plenty of things that my students have that i have zero interest in having i don't see the sense of experiencing that but at the same time i don't have even your basic kid experiences your x box your p s three i don't have that whereas a child going to invest not just the cost of that but every two to three weeks a month they're investing sixty dollars in a new game that's going straight in that industry when you're talking about who's who's doing that that's who's doing that that's why the video game industry has such a front end of the curve kind of thing because even if let's say one fifth of the audience goes and buys a video game as would see a movie that's the equal amount of profit margin going into that and cost associated with that invested in the game purchasing things online personal experience of buying an expansion pack i mean i read some day this the other day sims as like twenty seven expansion packs associated with it each at thirty bucks i mean we're talking you know a thousand dollars pretend world game  so i don't know what the experience might be but we're we're over that line of that from the curve you're approaching the end of that team and you're over that eighteen to thirty four experience right and you're still well within that was you know nineteen twenty and i paid my car insurance at the end every other dime went to whatever i cared to spend money on right so you have a mortgage payment you have a car payment those are luck that your your purchasing power is luxuries so but i guess i just i don't see it and again i may be off base on the spot i don't see three d moving fast enough to survive the wave that's coming behind it because it because it is not something that typically people are saying i have to have that must have i must have three d h d is has more of a drive not a ton of drive but you know there are there are certain vices the come out use and must have that i don't know or certain functionalities i really need to have that i really need to have that i just i don't know if three d has that that draw and by the time it gets mature enough and that it can can be something that's without glasses is incorporated and then the things i wonder if it's going t it's you never know there's others always these waves and games that come along that that drive that the gaming market movies i it's hard to say i mean movies are trying very hard to stave off what they think is extinction although crying wolf thing where they're acting like they're going to be of poverty because which is why they have ticket prices raising raising it's as far as if current american trend continues the same way then they're going to make money even more so out of this even though they don't realize especially it's the incorporated one of their products not television now i've got my apple device that has three that's the new technology i want to get out there i want to get that i want to get that now i'm so accustomed to that three days in my pocket why is it not on my television now that could be that other exactly and i mean you're all frivolous spending on certain products like i don't need a new phone every year i want to phone them that kind of thing you know it's just because of those little updates if they have me in the mindset where i need that where these other companies don't if a company like that can incorporate that by which i definitely think they will to some degree whether they have success with it or not i think that that's going to be the branching for and that's going to be down the road a little look to apple to make the decision  you're right that i think you had that people seizing it because they'd already stolen so much music digitally from napster i mean that's natural means nothing to you those original file stealing devices that made my music go from the twelve c d s i could afford to a thousand songs and then i mean i really believe the explosion of digital music was stealing it but but packaging of the three d because it's all about content content what's going to drive this i mean if there's no content people are not going to buy devices you know it's like the the old joke of technology djoko videophones back twenty twenty five years ago you buy a phone and he said there and wait until someone else bought a video phone i mean early being an early adopters is not necessarily a great thing and some some kind of respect but if the content is not packaged in such a way that is easy you're talking about that you know that that i don't see people wanting to put their stuff but if there's a three d channel on your t v and when you hit that three channel your t v suddenly goes really i'm in three d mode and then when you flip through another channel  i'm back in the two d mode i could see that i get i just seems like a lot of investment in technology in for the t v manufacturers to keep that in place when there may be other areas that are going to drive money because let's face it applications are going to are the big scholar for things anymore you know selling that understand little ten dollar science t v show for a buck ninety nine is going to make a lot more money  it's the same thing right now there's no content for outside of movies right well but that's ok we're getting well but that's why i'm saying is that even if apple and apple is way too smart of a company that say they and that's what the i ching what you know i i tunes store did not in the reason why there was a lag with i tunes did not come into being till the music industry's you know they had over many of the labels were signed on and same with three d you know you can make it as course you want but if people have it and there's nothing to watch nothing of value to watch then there's going to be a decline and that's what was happening right now with things like netflix you know as as the as content is starting to fade away