well we will get going welcome everybody my name is scott spool hoff and i am the chair of the steering committee my partner standing up there is a great way camp he's been chairing the design team and he will be given the presentation tonight but before we start i want to just real briefly just set the stage for the work of the group that's been ongoing since last fall what you see up on the screen is some of the purposes and goals that have been in place and guiding our group since last fall and i don't i don't have to read those for you but you know first and foremost we were charged by the city to say ok can we come up with a good plan for the renovation and redevelopment of that whole area and then a number of other things and then most importantly at the bottom this is always been in the but the back of our our heads is is been done i think what you're going to see tonight is a very compelling we think exciting plan that answers a lot of these goals what you're also going to see is in all honesty some other very exciting interesting options that are out there but we can't do everything for eleven million dollars and there's questions relative to fund raising and financing and some of those things with some of these other things but we're pretty pleased with where the project where the process has driven us thus far and again tonight as greg go through the plan i think there's plenty to be excited about and again as we take a look at really redeveloping that that couple block area what we'll do is  through the plan as it stands today and this is a proposed plan this isn't set in stone but this is a proposed plan there's a lot that needs to happen between now and an actual project kickoff most importantly approval by the city and but this this is a plan that a lot of work has been a lot of time and work has been spent on so with that i will turn over to greg and he will guide us through the proposed plan probably the best thing to do is to leave we'll have time for your questions and comments after gregg goes through the plan that's probably the best way to do it so if a question pops into your head remember it and we'll have time afterwards to answer some of those thanks scott so welcome everyone and it's a really cool night because we're kind of sort of the culmination of a whole lot of work this isn't our last public meeting but this is the last one before we go to council next week wednesday night and  it's i'm going to kind of step back and kind of give you an overview of the process and take you through the whole decision making all the different steps we went through see have a clear sense of how we got from from a to b for i do that i want introduce our design team because there's been a whole lot of people working on this we started the steering committee actually there's a ton of folks on the steering committee that have made a huge commitment of time and effort from from november through now we've met maybe every other week that whole entire time so if you think you've come to a lot of these meetings those folks have really been doing different organizations and a really broad representation of the community and been hugely helpful and influential and all the decisions our design team i'm greg i can't with edgewater resources bunch of folks on my team have been working on this tirelessly for months  engineers they're not here with us tonight but they're the folks completely focused on the parking issues and that's always been a an issue people been very concerned about there's probably nobody better in terms of dealing with parking than those guys they've been helping us quite a bit  go construction and here we have chris and dustin from from that group there are construction managers you don't construction manager is this they keep an eye on the designing waiver guys like us and go that's going to be expensive let's do it this way so they've kept us in check and we're going to see a lot of their influence tonight in terms of what the dollar i look like and we have a high level of confidence in the dollars that we show you hit everybody that missed anybody and in jeremy back there those guys and the wreck and ryan i have also been hugely helpful along the way dana and staff and kelly kelly has been keeping us on track as well so thanks to everybody that's been a part of this we appreciate it so we started up here as you walked in use our overall vision and this is a statement that continues to evolve but it really talks about the fact that this place is a bridge and the community it's a bridge from one part of downtown to a future part of downtown it's a bridge between a lot of different folks in the community who come together in this place but it's really about the beauty of these ordinary moments of everyday life things happen at th site that if extraordinary value we didn't know about these things when we started the process you know it's a building she would have been goes on there is anything happening in that place i don't even know what's going on this is the market right all walks of life are there people feel welcome one of the things that  we started with and i want to show you about is that we come stakeholder interviews and we met with all of the different groups that have people in there we met with pastor willie has he if he was here he'd be telling me something he's great all kinds of folks who told us about the things that happened in this place that can't happen anywhere else and this place is such a welcoming place it's where more people in holland feel welcome and it's a really special thing that we want to maintain so the next chapter in the life of this building is going to build on that legacy and really focus on serving the needs of many as well as we can focusing on wellness rather than being dedicated to one specific use that tends to be exclusive we think that's really special because it's about the broadest range of folks more capable and flexible building when we used to build buildings it didn't bother space to build a building that had one purpose now we look at and go every single space we build has to have multiple uses it's got to be hard working and you never want to build a spot that you look at and go oh gee if we're not doing whatever that one x use is it's empty waiting for that used to come back around next week that's not how we're going to focus on this moving forward every space can be reused multiple times during the day for different uses in different activities ultimately celebrating this place is the heart of the community it's really critical it's a wonderful space so where did all that come from we have this overall vision and will dive into that in greater detail but it really talks about the sense that we had to create an overall vision that responds to the different needs of the community the needs of the market the needs of how all the space works with dive into that in greater detail but the process was one of continuous community outreach meetings like this we established the program we spent a lot of time in november and december and early january talking to all the folks who are here with stakeholder groups interviews workshops  recreation workshops on the market came up with concept designs got feedback made a lot of changes if you're at some of these meetings you know the original drawings the building went to the east and took up a lot of parking well that did not fly with their friends at the market in a lot of other people we talked about some of the things about recreation for example a full blown recreation program that we need here some day would overwhelm the site and we've decided early on that that wasn't the right place to do it what we need it but it doesn't happen here so talking about all those different things throughout all these meetings we're down here at thousand seven hundred sixty three people responded and gave us their very direct feedback and what they liked and did not like we put out a ton of images about things that were happening on the site ideas that could happen on the site huge feedback and that's  way way more than that we would get that was a big surprise and a very happy one we had more than fifty people come to a number of different stakeholders in a recession small group sessions one on one with groups about what's special in their organization four hundred people came to  meetings just like this one our mailing list is more than three hundred more than a thousand hours of design for mongst our team steering committee meetings those were all public formal public meetings like the one we're in now two different workshops recreation and the market workshop to design sure it's people are dropping in and out and six consultants a whole bunch of us so a lot of work has gone into what you see here every minute of it has been public there's been no meetings that we've had that weren't open to the public very excited about that and just to give you a sense of these are kinds of the uses i forgot that this was an automatically switch and but you see there in those those those this was from the survey for example so we put up a bunch of images like this and the little weird pie shape that you can't read if it's green people thought it was a great idea so you start to see these things and so we're looking at different ideas about what the community wanted to see in the space and that's where we came in we had fifty of these images i'm just going to show you a few so what did we learn the civic center is the most inclusive place in holland where more people come here they feel welcome they don't feel like anybody is looking at them sideways they don't feel like for me that's a critically important thing and you don't get it until you talk to enough people need to be modular flexible and adaptable both across the course of the day but also throughout the week and then also months and then again over years so we wanted to build spaces that you know as new uses come online it's a fact  so we have to think of those things recreation should not must not displace the market i should say protect and enhance the market lot of people love the markets great provide functional parking look at diverse program offerings more diverse offerings for the folks  as a diverse community we are market can be more diverse we can have more diverse offerings and one of the big ideas of course is we want the market to be active seven days a week we're not going to do that by taking the same market we have wednesday and saturday and just doing it every day that's not go help we want to different kinds of markets aren't competing with that market we're not going to ask villains in to come out seven nights a week that actually need to grow some food at one point creating more opportunities so maybe there's been a mercado or an asian market or who knows what will dive into that later good for everyone rather than great for just one this idea of wellness instead of fitness so while ness is really about the whole person is really what the civic center is about as of as it may be a pure records really about fitness and competition and sort of being the lead this  about wellness and focusing on how does the market come together with the activities in the civic center how to do classes how do we help people understand that hey you know i may have never cooked whatever that is i don't maybe don't know how to feed my family a healthy meal because i didn't learn it from my parents so i can learn here telling all these things together and engaging with all these different classroom opportunities and really again while misses the whole person and being about everybody so this notion is that really the ordinary is  extraordinary it's easy to overlook but once you start to study it you really get excited about some things we have some images here from the market and here's the market here it's a great i think that's actually the first mark you've got the farmer's market in summertime of course that's a gloomy day but know the christian game amazing you know i told this story every time i saw this image people complain about the jam and it's got this problem it's got that problem it's so terrible that when these guys were asked to design a new german problem christian the design directives make it feel like the civic center so that tells you something special in that space is something that hoosier is magic people are close to the court and feeling a part of it it's really wonderful we want to protect some of the sayings you know the guys that fly the airplane santa thursday morning if you haven't seen them it's really kind of cool they're super friendly but you know the parades that happen here all the different things that really are very special about this community they all happened here and we wanted to protect that and that was the number one thing that came about from all of that feedback start to finish was  we have an amazing resource let's protect it we need to make it better but we need to build on what we have not start over with a whole new idea so some very specific comments from the community about the building itself the first impression must be impressive but familiar there's this idea that you know as neighborhoods grow over time and as things change it's neat to come back to a community you might go away you know when i grew up in granville i try was i was working professionally and i left it was out of michigan for twenty years and you come back and it's neat to come back to a place you haven't been to in a long time and still recognize you can see it's different but then all this and you catch something familiar so this idea that we want some remnant of the building to feel like it's it's there even though it's not the most beautiful building architecturally it's solid it's stable and it's a part of our so when they come in we want to put our best foot forward and say welcome to holland we're wonderful community we have you know we were welcoming place so we want to do those things access on all sides a much much stronger connection with the market right now you have a market a parking lot and a building and they don't really interact with other than the bathroom that can be much much better we're going to work on that engaging the market with a permeable or fall expansion permeable great architecture word that's an idea that it's an edge that you can flow in and out as opposed to our current building which has walls and a few doors we want to have the walls be when in the right weather conditions open up the doors and it's wide open and you sort of it's like a porch you kind of come in come and go taking advantage of ripped up spaces more flexibility all of our upper deck spaces right now in the gym have that huge concrete and steel structure it's hard to do anything else on an angled steel structure covered with chair so if we level that out and bring in risers to provide the chairs when we need them and all of a sudden we can use that space for something else flexible and earlier on play energy efficiency pragmatic green strategies those are going to tied directly into our budgeting their strategies out there there's there's a tax credits to help us lower the cost of financing this building to make it  possible to be really smart about the energy but also maybe help us build more of the building what that in a little while some very specific comments about the market we had a huge meeting we had probably about one hundred plus people over in the north hall if you were at that meeting it was thank goodness the information and they coordinated a two day workshop with the public and also with the vendor specifically to work through the issues about what's working on things what we learned is that it's pretty darn good it's working pretty darn well we've got to fix some things more seating in areas to socialize was the thing that came up the most because there's no seating enhance and better define the market entry is there some safety issues about how people come and go you cross pine there's a tremendous amount of traffic heading  south bigger and better on things and retraction protection we need more covered spaces demonstration kitchen for market programming keep in improved parking and more food drugs so a lot of different uses there and how they overlap  so coming back to what you saw earlier that scott went through as we were directed as a team to look at all of these things we were asked to look at the conceptual plan for the renovation of the whole civic center space and that  didn't have a budget associated with it that vision was let's step back and really understand what we need to do because this place is the center of our future we have a lot of if you look at the western gateway you all know about the projects that are happening you know between ritter's world and the civic center what's going to happen  west of the civic center over time that's a work in progress but it's most likely going to be a more dense residential neighborhood a residential complement to what you see on the other side of the civic center which is more about a retail but a similar scale and density over time but we want to activate it seven days a week that's more of a programming issue will talk about programming but somebody's got to decide let's do another market we have great facilities to support that these become the heart of this new residential neighborhood because it's not about just people coming in from out of town a couple of days a week for the market or for a basketball game it's about more and more people who live here and want to come use it as sort of the family room farmer's market more active more often rec program for residents of all ages income race inabilities this is a place for everybody you know the pick up basketball game that's was it a buck a buck and a half or two bucks for pickup basketball it's one of most popular activities you walk in there and you might see a side of that you've never seen before the different folks that are in there using that space almost every day and then finally make sure that although the visions great we're all excited about it i'm going to tell you all about it it's really cool we have eleven million dollars and goodness we need a very good plan a really a complete plan that if that's all we ever do we have a great plan and we've got that and i'm going to tell you about that now so we get some water  so what do you get for eleven million bucks pretty exciting so we have this overall vision here the overall vision really looks at a number of different things of course it looks at the building in the upper left corner there and we'll get into more detail than this little sketch here but it looks at a bunch of things that looks at serious improvements of the building focusing really primarily on the core use recognizing that the core activities that happen now are really important and they're happening and they're just happening in a six year old building and so of course it's getting a little rough around the edges the bathrooms could stand a little improvement the lobby is a little dark the tiles a little bit edgy there's a little bit of water in the basement a couple problems we can work through this we have good architects they can solve this you can go kayaking in the basement some days but thinking about one of the key parts from the market workshop was this idea that you know the market's really great down here towards the east but up at the west end it just kind of starts to come apart a little bit and you'll see the building is actually set back we've actually brought the building up to its street to really link and engage with a so we've extended the north what we call the north pole it's almost twice as wide now if you've been in the north pole space over at the civic center will be twice as wide well it the ceiling at the ground level and the whole row of that whole edge here would be nothing but big garage doors that will open up so on market day it will be wide open and like the building you just walk in and out of like there's no doors at all it's going to create what we call the western anchor down here and this idea that we need to spread out the uses her across the whole market there's all kinds of vendors down here that don't get as much cover from that from the weather for example this space here creates about twenty five new covered spaces fully enclosed so that helps solve some of the challenges for the folks who don't get in under the covers but we also have to keep in mind we have parades we need bleachers we have to find a balance so we're proposing in the early part to focus on the cover and here and then leaving this allowing space for the bleachers and also space over here for the bleachers thinking about this green space it's not just another green park or something but it's really an outdoor extension of all the recreation programming that goes on in the building this is one kind of north south move that really  focus that in the summertime you can come out here and do the activities in the wintertime we hope to have ice out here all these things that tie it together so that in the winter time that space can also be all about an indoor market right now the visitors are out there in the freezing cold sun there let us in january let's let's move them inside i think more people will come so we'll have an opportunity for small indoor market and they're thinking about the overall site and really right now it's a sea of asphalt and i know it's a ton of parking at six hundred thirty six parking spaces and a real concern about you know how many parking spaces might we impact here what you're seeing over here is really a sense of breaking that space down you've got about ten acres of open space right now ten acres of asphalt which is not something you see in many downtowns specifically not one as beautiful  the kind of tight character scale that we have here it's really out of character and that's one of the things that makes you feel a little bit weird in there once you're inside the market when the markets active it feels great because you've got that great intimacy you've got that nice close scale the market's not there we all know it feels like you're coming like this is not so good so what we want to do is break that down with rows of trees that simply help break it down they don't take up a ton of parking looking at green strategies here if you don't know they're tannery creek used to run right through here if you were to enter a creek is now it's still there runs to the bottom of the building you can bury a creek but it will not go away it's still there i promise you what we want to do here is look at green infrastructure look at this parking lot show a picture of this later but this is parking that's actually green and then an overflow days you get out there and it's reinforced so that it doesn't turn into rotten you know muddy ruts but what we want to do is create green space over time that you can still use for and consultants of look at this and on a on a on a big market day by golly we're going to need every single space no question about it we're about this whole plan we also took out about thirty paid spaces over here this whole entire plan impacts about seventy parking spaces out of six hundred thirty six we're going to talk a lot about management it's very easy to start looking at seventy spaces how do you overcome seventy spaces that's kind of a big deal it isn't it isn't when you realize that there's at least fifty folks who work at the market parking there now and you know they're parking out at the edges and that's the right thing to do but we can also ask them to park here behind behind the space it's not much farther we can easily make this up we've got other spaces and i can go into that in great detail if you'd like to but from a simple management strategy we feel like and get watermelons here how far my supposed to go let's get a wagon and do some different things so yeah it's different than what it is now but we think it's completely reasonable we've worked with the market vendors on it and you nobody likes change but all things considered it's a pretty good strategy  so over time also looking at entries here we'll talk about that a lot more but this idea that breaking down the scale of those spaces will immediately make this feel better make and really help break down that giant empty space and make us feel better as we start to grow into a new kind of a neighborhood here so that's kind of a quick overview of the broader vision as we look at some things that you don't see on here some day it's likely there will be a parking garage or maybe someday as you look at what walker park consultants is working on they're looking at a complete overview of the downtown parking solution and holland is a wonderful downtown but it's probably done about all the growing it can do with surface parking lots and there's always this real tension between how much surface parking do you have and then how does everything else work and yet everybody would prefer to park in a surface parking lot but until all a sudden your community is more parking lot than community and so that's going to change over time and maybe this is a location for that to go yet there may have come a time when when those awnings come in we'll see how that works there may come a time when there's a second gym here that may come a time when there's more of this in here at these or other elements out of the future but as we talk about eleven million dollars planned what are we going to do immediately were immediately going to do this this focus on this area what you're going to focus on as improvements to the market improvements at the entry here at pine and ain't going to talk about this whole western anchor and how it all ties to the building and we're going to continue to work on this because  can get a grant we're going to try to get those trees we're going look at some things that we can try to get and add to this but this is the minimum core i want to talk to you about tonight and as we dive into it a little bit it's going to start with the market so there's three pages of improvements to the market in the site that are really important here as you can see we always start with the most exciting stuff gutters always lead with gutters this is the architecture trick always lead with gutters gutters utilities if you're under the covers right now you've got electricity you've got water if you're not under those covers you don't have either those clearly no markers on the ground so when the vendors are setting up if you're the first one in you know yeah i'm roughly here looks good and then so every show up and you've got to move a little it's really annoying let's put some markers out there clean or repair the existing is all those things creating twenty four covered market stalls including sixteen new cells so we're actually creating more stalls than exist now so it seems a little strange we move the building out an occupied some space we actually have more stalls now because you'll have more covered stalls under the building in that market space and then we can put maybe sixteen probably more than that i'm being kind of conservative here more spaces inside so you come to that and you'll be able to use that market hall and actually have more vendors than we do today and that should help the with some of the diversity issues but i'm just more capacity expanding again that north all the create five thousand six hundred square feet of indoor your own space in the wintertime we will close the doors and then you'll be able to go in there in january and february and they'll be market activities in there if you've been to the fulton street market they have a very small one the one we're talking about is probably the size of this room except fill in these corners that are curved away it's a pretty big space so if you can imagine coming in the wintertime having you know how many ten by ten tents kind of spaces could you put in here quite a few so that's about the scale of that space we're going to improve access to completely new restrooms obviously the restrooms we have there are very tired and we're going to have access from both the inside and the outside so that when the whole building is locked up the first person out there will be able to open the outer doors so people can get in there be in our doors to the buildings to be able to get to it from inside and from outside removing the unnecessary those are those big concrete planters that a few people like and most of the vendors really don't like i think are trucks they were put in there to protect the canopy from the trucks i think the trucks have figured out by now some other things  the pine street entry obviously when you cross into that space right now you know the way the way the lights are timed you're there waiting for crime to stop and then you go to where is the guy turning left we want a simple technique on market days stop everybody all the car stop for a minute let everybody cross the street and back when it's regular rush hour things stick with the current normal timing but on a saturday morning we can afford to stop all the cars for two minutes and let people cross the street safely a welcome  building and make it more about the site we think is a way to do that i'll show you a picture of what we have in mind there reorganizing the ada compliant parking the way they can find parking a set up now it's all about the building and it's on the south side of the building i think we could find a place farther from the market but we'd have to try so we met with the folks one of the gals who is with one of the accessibility organizations and she says i have to park and take two spaces because i can't get anywhere near them can't get out and then i have to actually go in pine the wrong way up pine to get into the market not not an acceptable solution so we're going to fix that so this this west market anchor in the gathering green space with water plain seating will show you some pictures of that that's the big green space to the north there of the  management programming one of the things that we learned as we started the whole entire process is we tried to do an overlay of who's responsible for what and you've got jeremy is in charge of the building and we've got dan is in charge of pieces and other people are in charge of the market and then the police are in charge of the road and pretty soon you realize there's about eleven jurisdictions in there when organized that know much more single singular cohesive organizational structure so this all work a lot better but a better system for the daily vendors a lot of the daily vendor struggle with you know six in the morning i don't know if i'm even going to get a spot i'm out there it's expensive we're going to be chocolate some in the sun i can't work with this different things we can figure those things out programming for additional more diverse markets nightmare kotto parts market performance market maybe you know movies in the market on a friday night for example we can very easily start a new kind of market with a different programming activity focusing on a different night and night evening markets one of the most popular items that showed up time and again in our surveys was night activities down there more diversity and better opportunities we certainly want to see a much more representative cross section of the community represented as vendor said market and of course parking management parking management strategies just takes active thinking to make the stuff work so the city is committed to that so what does that look like on here looks like first of all the gutters and the and the cleaning of the canopy is we have the utilities in the markers and other things would be markers under there as well although that's not as quite as necessary but i'm certainly up here getting the utilities and those things happening in that area that's the indoor market space right there along the north edge and again this is the whole front of the building pushed out there have the new restrooms clearly new restrooms accessible from the outside very easy to find easy to access new signage rather than the marquee being way back up here on top of the building we want to put a marquee down here  ultimately as we go through this and again this is a work in progress as we go in design development you know maybe the sign should be here or here or yes to all of the above and we need to think that through but a more strategic signage system than what we have today  thinking about this area this sort of the pine tree sort of the front door of the whole market thinking about that space you know putting some thought into the intersection so that when you're on pine in a vehicle you realize that this is a special spot particular on a saturday morning thinking about  welcome kiosk this could be a place where the folks maybe get their food bucks the double bucks for the stamps and the different things and where can i find a vendor so and so we want to get a signage program in here so when people look down they can see this or farms or whoever the different folks are simple simple simple things to make the market more user friendly and then also looking up here at demonstration kitchen area up there and then finally the outdoor space this is really the anchor space one of the challenges in the market now is so popular with people that it gets so jammed full that everybody's out here socializing and catching up and you know how your mom and everything else and it's hard to sell your carrots when everybody's right in front of so you want to create more space opportunities for kids to play in places to watermelon guy who hands that watermelon down there and create these activities make it a real draw course it's already a draw but a draw that's more compatible with the uses of the market and how that functions so looking in a little bit what does this look like here this is that entry area in this market square idea that just really getting some shade and a better sense of entry into rival thinking about what that might look and feel like you start to get a sense in this image of how some trees out in those lots really start to bring this scale down and you'd be amazed at what just a little bit of effort with trees can do to really make a huge transformative change with thinking about and then tricky task i'm actually going to show a sign that's a little bit bigger but you see this little glass box for example that could be those sort of glass boxes that's th the welcome point it's really obvious you come here for information at the front door so we think that's exciting as we think about a sign for example this would here this would all be a digital sign and so what looks like a sign here the arts market on sunday afternoons i don't know what it's going to be and then five minutes later that sign changes and it says something else completely so what we want to have is a beautiful sign that that's more c she's already got so it's yes down the six and seven i checked so so but that idea that scale it's a big signs that you can get a lot of information out there and it will keep changing it will constantly be updating and so we won't make indian jeremy go up on the roof in subzero weather with sixteen letters to tell the entire story anymore and it can be active like a t v and all those other things will solve all that but that's an idea we have we think that's cool and we've got budget for that looking up here in the park up in the space the western anchor and how this all ties together again you start to see ledge this outer space we've got some water play out here got some amazing park space more space for market vendors we can actually double up the vendors here so we have twice as many i didn't count those that's another probably ten vendor spaces out here so maybe we've got twenty five more vendor around we want to create more play environment where kids can run around on the hills and games and do different things this idea of water play with because when you turn it off they're just off the path when they're on it's fun and exciting play but you don't have that people to feel very welcome and safe and wonderful it's a dark sky environment i could go on about that for two hours but that's the sort of notion of sustainable design with lighting so that it's very comfortable in your eyes no glare things like that a wonderful safe space for the community to be in at night so that's kind of a quick overview of that part of it as we talk about the building so the overall master plan vision this is the diagram of all of the stuff on the wishlist all the stuff you know if we could if it were just loose in the ice cream store what would we do all kinds of cool stuff so of course the primary thing is the main gym it works great it's a wonderful gym i know it's four feet too short we're not going to tear the building down to extend it for more feet but it's great multi space we want to talk about this sort of market this is the gym right now when you walk in the current lobby is here the current restrooms are here and here so that's the main gym in the stage so that would all stay looking at the north from the north market all this extends up about twice as far and love to see over time a kitchen cafe up here in the corner that ties in and maybe it's a real demonstration kitchen maybe it's even a commercial kitchen at some point in the future this those of the difference in those is really about how much equipment and the cost factors are hugely different from a commercial kitchen to a demonstration kitchen for storage and other elements here maybe over time a flexible space around the corner love to have a second gym at some point thinking about really important toilets here and then the sort of lobby family room space there really ties together a space where you can come in and just feel welcome to sit and watch the market wait for your kids to get done with their activities or wait to join a new activity it can be a flexible classroom space so a lot of different things there in the big vision and what we want to talk about specifically is what we've got in our step one has a lot of things so one a complete renovation and this is the stuff that's completely in our step one for now so complete renovation of the existing everything that happens in there now will continue to happen in the future it will just be better with new finishes the stage everything will look nice and new fixing up the chairs and the upper deck new new cloth and paint on those all kinds of things new backwards all of the basic stuff when you're in that space making it ready for another fifty sixty years activities nobody's going to do that on a ninety five degree day in the summer once we have air the work we're going to it's called district if you don't know what district it is it's a very it's one of more sustainable design strategies we have what's called waste from the energy plant and so that's heat that's created in the in the production of electricity and currently that he is what we used to heat the sidewalks or that he it's generated year around what's interesting about it is the temperature in those tubes if it's the right temperature we can also use it for cooling in the winter we can use it for heating so it's really an energy efficient way to heat the building and that's also going to help us qualify for energy tax credits if we play our cards right and that might save us two million dollars which could be used to do some other things with maybe see how that all works out  but certainly getting air conditioning making the building much more functional we had a lot of meetings in the north hall in the winter it needs heat to go stage rigging lighting sound bleachers finishes code improvements there are some things in there that i'm sure when that when the fire marshal walks in he comes just going to keep moving so it's all ok but we'll fix it so we're grandfathered it's legal i promise so but we're going to fix it in the new stuff the north expansion this is the big move this really creates a new new space in addition to the activities that we currently have now so expanding this whole area to the north that's another fifty six hundred square feet to the north of the building and it's also multi level so that you take the upper deck that's an angle we're going to level that floor and raise that first floor you'll have a whole second floor of new space and yeah when we need those seats for bleachers for the big big activity will put bring in risers and you get the seats back when that activity goes away now we have a level space and it can be you know as much as we want a second jim we'd love to have it but frankly a lot of the activities that jeremy programs on the gym floor are there because it's the big open space and it doesn't have anything else it doesn't need a full gym height ceiling it needs you know maybe twelve feet you can do a lot of those activities like pick up on things in that space on this two level structure so games in direct can happen in those spaces again the indoor market space that's going to happen on the ground floor all winter long and when the market's not in there you can do yoga in there you can do classrooms you can do meetings just like the one we're having right now and a number of things can happen in their balconies and overlooks we want to have balconies so that it took time we've taken out space where the bleachers used to go those balconies need to be there so we can still get people overlooking the parade and capture that  future of top access we're going to design this so that we can get up on that rough structurally we don't necessarily have as much of rough stuff as we'd like to have in this first phase but still getting the opportunity and doing it now while we have the chance so looking at  an improved lobby and family room certainly the whole lobby space is pretty weak right now we can improve all of those things new restrooms accessible from the inside and the out improved offices complete locker room renovations a day compliance a lot of basic things that we just need to do and so here's what this looks like you've got the gym where the gym and the stage this is where you currently walk in or probably push that entry to the northeast this may not look a lot bigger but right now the hallway from the lobby into the north hall is right this time the thing those restrooms all come out and this is now about five times wider than it is now it's a much more generous space the restrooms would come here the offices are currently separated on both sides of entry would push them to one side  here new toilets and showers in the green room for the stage here catering kitchen so that we can have catering for the events and then this is this new space appear for the flexible market and other activities the upper level would have a flexible about going in improving all the seats and then over time we'll get access to that refer up there for more access to view the parade so this is the kind of thing when i keep talking about this permeable edge it's something like this where you have you know beautiful brick and we'll pick all of that character and detail up as we go into design development but that opens wide open and so you'll come up and you'll just have this big comes and just a big open space as we look at the kinds of activities we want to have on market day we want the building and people on these balconies engaging with what's happening down at the market that's really critical thinking about the future lobby space a much more open and welcoming space than you have now not tucked in under we think this is a great first impression for the folks getting off the tour buses and then ultimately these sorts of building is extended out keeping the columns here for now but the structure of the building is really tied and tied into the existing building which they're actually very good building the folks who built it the folks who designed it it's rock solid there's somewhere but  good building so you see a lot of that activity here over time would love to get access up here and then you look from the other side seeing how this all comes together this is all this new space we don't have currently and seeing how it ties into a park here just a quick notional sketch here  and so that's kind of a quick introduction to that and so what do we do now so everything i just showed you is our step one that's all and budget we're ready to go with that if nothing else changes that we hope councils as we think that's a pretty good idea let's let's keep moving so but what are we going to do so what happens now is next wednesday we'll present this to council and there are some things we'd love to add we missed a few things that you know part of the big vision that we want to see in there we're going to look at i opportunities over the next few months there's a budgeting process going on councils i don't think is going to vote next wednesday up or down do that exact thing what they're going to say is let's look at the big picture and say what are these credit energy credits it's conceivable that by no means a given that there might be two million and savings on these credits counsel may say you know that's something we could leverage or a portion of that to maybe build a little more we can look at philanthropy for ice in the kitchen in the trees in the bricks you know we passed a huge initiative in st joseph to build our new high school and we're still buying you know with our kids names on them at the front door to help fund these things never stop it's a great community space local sponsors a sponsorship a space as we've obviously had some great their families some great generous donors grants and green infrastructure  there's a lot of activities out there for you know there's a we got a grant for creating shade with some ash trees and so maybe there's an opportunity to help fund some of the trees that we need to have public private partnerships that's a idea that there are grant know there's development going on around the building we built the project in st joseph michigan where the developer was able to get certain infrastructure built through i mean d c grants and community development block grants and boarding infrastructure grants that couldn't be used for certain things and as you start to leverage all these things and working together as a partnership so that we're able to build more public open spaces than we might otherwise be able to do so keeping a really open mind about all of those and so the real key is remaining flexible over the next few months to really think about how the vision can adapt now and then keeping an open mind over the next few years about you know ok we set the building up so that any additional proof can happen as efficiently as possible and that's you know you know it's always easier and cheaper to do it now but we'll continue to keep that open mind as we go for so then finally looking at and this is this is sort of the sketch of model here to give you a sense of you can see what we showed you before this had the third floor and some more green more glass space on the edge here which is really exciting looking at some other activities there but just to give you a sense of things and then again ultimately that's the vision so i want to do now i guess is show you some of the other cool stuff that you know we love to get the ice in there and we think that be a fun way to do that integrate that into the into the west bank or thinking about this is that green parking i showed you earlier this is the structure of the parking this is the exact same place a few months later after the grass has grown in and so that's what holds the car up so we can do all these things without destroying the grass thinking about how do you get trees in the parking lot without losing park and you can build this kinds of spaces and put the trees in and lots and create really good infrastructure needs so the trees grow and look great so ultimately lots of great ideas and with this is really come down to is it's really been about a vision from the community everything that we've i'd love to take credit for a lot of it nearly all of it has come from the community we've basically been listening in this listening and coming up with these ideas and this is the shape of things to come and i guess i would open it up for questions no you don't you don't plow that space one of the keys to their parking demand is that we have a good sense of how much parking we need and that's not space that you need in the wintertime necessarily so that's where you push the snow and you push it on top there you can actually plow it but it's not practical it can it does not at the moment but that's a good and we're looking for ideas so we'll think about that and so by no means are we done so that's why i want to make a clear point we're not done this is this is where we are tonight so more ideas let's keep keep them c we certainly have to look at how to make that safe for the kids we don't know that's currently this is i call this holland international speedway so it's part of a one and a half mile long stretch under construction there's a lot of exercises being studied right now in terms of traffic calming we actually did a traffic calming exercise at tenth and mineral tea which is kind of just around the corner from here so i think over the next few years you're going to see the way seventh works change a little bit so that that's safer but certainly we need to have a safe there so people feel comfortable that their kids play there i have twins and my wife used to say look if you put a kid in both and there's one head for the lake and one head for the street you cannot tell me to choose a favorite right  in here of course we're talking oh with cars or without cars well certainly we think it needs to maintain the feel of a street certainly needs to support the parade it was built with federal dollars so there's a certain amount of time that it has to remain an active street how often it's open and those are the things i think that comes back to that overall management strategy but i think certainly it needs to maintain the sort of street character in the sense that it has to support the uses of the parades in those kinds of activities over time i can imagine the community saying you know what we just don't need the cars driving through there i never drive there because it always feels illegal you know even when i know it's ok i'm like this is so but i think again that's part of an overall management strategy and that will be made over time so  we agree and we think that's really critical even to the point where as we dive into d d a if we might say you know maybe we set something aside here to get that there's still as we go through this process we're very early and you know so when we're deciding the prices and what stuff costs you know chris tells us a lot and he has a thing at the bottom called contingency which some of which is that i don't know what you're going to do to me yet right and so when we asked we told you about those partitions chris right oh no as i got it so we'll dive into those things and will continue to really focus in on the priorities but we agree that's a really important one  this this is what you'd see with this the first step looks like this ideally we'd love to get that he sloppy we think that islam is perfect and as we go through the next month here if we can figure out some additional funding we'd love to have that view become that view or something closer to that and that's as we think about priorities for if for example we can leverage that funding or if we can do something else we'd love to get to this so they would change they would change this would be office in here and then this would be a much more open space that's in there you would enter through the corner we get back that plan where you would enter more towards the north currently and that for the additional thing i think that's part of the whole audio improvements of their so i don't have a specific detail about that but we're talking about a complete upgrade to the audio for the whole the whole performance venue so i would expect we could do that we love snow melt as much as we can afford and i guess i think ultimately we're certainly going to have snow melt and one things we want to do is actually pick up i've run up and down a street a bunch of times and there's probably about six or eight spots in here that actually where the  correct and fix some of those things in the process and we'll certainly be looking at as we dive into the detail the sites are jumping back to the plan if i can get to looking at you know improving snow melt in these areas to make that as functional as possible s absolutely we've been looking at a bunch of different ideas so when we build the newer structures it's relatively easy to provide the structural capacity to add what we call an intensive green rough erection extensive one which is the trace system and you can kind of sense some of that so we'd like to do some of those things all of these rough spaces here would be engineered the same way for for a fully live load for people and putting two hundred people up there to watch the parade we have a budget to a number to strengthen the existing rough the way the existing r designed they weren't thinking about the stuff in one thousand fifty it was just snow and nothing else so that's you know we have a number to do that we don't whether that gets in it's not in the base package right now i'd love to do it because it's a great way to get back to the simple green infrastructure and really supporting project clarity as you're minimizing the storm surges you want to slow that water down have it absorbed come in first get it filtered and then slow down the rate at which it goes into the lake and that's all the right things to do so we'd love to do it and it's just a question of how do we fit it in so back in here so people coming from this way and this way yet we're going to as we think about the markers and reorganizing the way the parking works we want to solve something because right now it just gets overwhelmed and and then the folks just tend to cut between the vendors and right past the cash register which they really love now so we need to solve some of those things but we're going to solve that by when we when we set up the markers to create great operators and create this sort of cut through so that's it's set up in organize that way sure so there are two strategies for the basement option as we can spend about a half million dollars to waterproof it and you've got to wind watering here in town probably the best in the country option b is we can fill it and  that space and stop fighting with the water we think option b because it's dramatically cheaper is the right way to go we keep the boiler would stay there so you'd have the boiler as a backup and it's relatively new so we would maintain the boiler section of the basement and probably fill the rest of it and stop fighting with the water there the water stays in the ground so it flows through the ground now and so what happens there is so that when the water flows to the ground it can continue through the reason it shows up in the basin of the building is because it's it has an opportunity to come out if it's filled it'll stay in the in the ground but then it's ok we don't mind it's just ground water so it's it seems strange but the water flows right through the soils so  there's a technical name fill so gravel s so if it were completely waterproof it would probably be complete storage what we're going to have to do now is focus on a way to create more functional storage on the ground floor the other thing with the storage below as you end up requiring a freight elevator which is another very expensive piece of equipment that we'd rather not buy if we don't have  to if we don't do the basement there's no need for that what we would probably do with our better the northeast and as we would design that to accommodate freight so we thought the ability to get up and down with the heavy stuff if we need to but we would have separate elevator so we d yet we're going to gauge the storage as part of the expansion on the back side there's the reorganization there so depending on exactly how the community on the warming kitchen lays out you know the be in the northwest corner of the southwest corner we have to solve that so it's a critical item and it will not let me and jeremy will not let me leave the room without solving it so you got the farmers are excited about parking jeremy's excited about storage these functional uses keep messing things up sorry to horn in here but i'd like to make reference to this drawing what you see here in this eleven million dollar first stage is the beginnings of starting an engine it starts the engine that heads for the vision and you'll see enough in the first phase you'll see enough of the vision to be persuaded that it's a good one but this is a framework for adding things as need to cumulate and the vision flowers for instance this does not look like a park right now it's it's a park in terms of parking automobiles and using it as a park it would suffice for a while as a really a very attractive park but it would shift when the parking need is do reduced because there's a parking structure built over here it would then become a new kind of park probably fully dedicated to  a community park i think it's a beautiful capability of a plan continuing to become an even better plan for instance if if there is a parking structure here it may very well be because of that kind of investment to add function and buildings to the west and and join this green park from so that the park serves both ways serves north and serves west in the future it's just so full of potential additions and it gets better it gets better it gets better but it starts off very good so it's kind of a bargain for eleven million that's my view anyway right thank you and other questions are s probably twenty five maybe even more again i know how many could you fit in this room quite a few will be covered there we're not going to cover this here because we don't have a better solution for how do you find a balance between the bleachers for took time so again we're constantly balancing these different uses so  t the potential for that to close in the future as bill is just saying this is plan is going to continue to evolve over time and maybe that fits nothing i drew that because nothing that we're showing precludes that from happening but the new covered space that's very clearly called for in very clearly needed occurs in the north market hall so so sorry which one did you want to see just of the building or just the hole just sure yeah ok so it would be sorry to make you all dizzy so here would be the plan you see the plan or do you want to see th model sure so let me go back the other way that when something like this from from the northeast and that from the northwest across with the park in the with this these can be these are just tents these are just people bringing in tents like they do now yeah  i get a mike we've looked at it we've looked at the civic center three times in the last six years that i've been in the role of the director of time and i get really excited about all the things that we see and i would just like to shal just to look at the full thing and because while i love the stages i love the steps and that makes sense i honestly go back to are we going to come back at this five years from now and add i'm not so sure and so what is it that it will take to put this whole full plan together and do it all right one time and not come back five years from now and try to figure out how to do the next thing because it won't cost the same amount of money five years from now it'll cost double that you're exactly right it's obviously cheaper faster and easier to do it all at once and so that's really what this this phase here comes about is over the next few months is to really establish what's possible here you know again the energy credits if we can get there and council says well if that's a real measurable savings and we can say we're going to leverage that savings and move it up now that's an opportunity additional flan pay additional sponsorship additional fundraising there grants that are out there in the partnerships i think there's a lot of potential here so i think there's a clear desire to get as close to that vision as humanly possible and what we're going to spend the next three months is really the sort of a fund raising kind of funding process councils going through the whole budgeting process over the next month and i think you're going to see more on this in the coming months and in love hopefully we'll come back in a few months and saying eleven was great and now this is some other number and some other future step and here's how we're going to do it so we're certainly i think you're right there's we've heard a lot of that so because there is a tendency to and at the end of a first stage it's a frigate coming back as what you're saying this city has here a vision that is rare it's it doesn't come often that a city of the magnitude of the abilities of holland  would not recognize a vision that is uniquely different here's a vision that is talking about the ordinary things that are never attended to that is probably one of the more exciting visions you could conceive of right here because our tendency is to make wonderful places for wonderful things and a lot of people walk away you don't know how many so one of the principles this is just my personal view one of the principles is to celebrate going slowly learn by this eleven million dollars and maybe an extra two or three or four might be at it but don't do it all at once on purpose because i don't believe you could wisely spend the money if you had it all right now you need to go to school on hold it up and keep it on the table through the years that's what leadership is all about in the city and i think going incrementally is about as wise as you can be and let the eleven or twelve or thirteen million just start the engine that's exciting because this is the kind of vision that respond depends on how the pieces come together so you can see stuff from the back and just how much we do but what we're going to do is look at various parts and pieces and the way the building was designed is with these incremental parts and that's what we'll go through for the next several weeks or month and a half or few months here is to go where the priorities and how far down the path to this can we get to make sense and then you know depends on all the parts and pieces but that's not twenty three million no somewhere in between in and out and there's one hundred questions about where it is so i'm not going to throw out another number we'll get we'll get to more numbers in the future i'd it's guessing doesn't give you anything helpful so what i showed you a step one that is eleven million dollars because chris says it is and i believe him because he's hard on us i'm like chris it can't be that he's like yes it is chris that's way too much that's what it costs he's and it works well and it's a beautiful it's a beautiful so because we were charged with a very specific vision of a complete project at eleven and we have a complete project what we have opportunity is a complete project that you know we can you can always do more but we've got a great project at eleven and i would be very proud of the eleven million dollars project and i will look anybody in the eye we have achieved the mission certainly what we were asked to do by the community in the primary goals it's amazing we can always do more we have a vision to do more but certainly the eleven million dollars project if we have to settle for the oven million dollar project i think we're all going to be very very happy in about eighteen months when it opens or two years or it would be it be like to break ground in october and it probably what fourteen months ok we can see them guys they're still smiling at fourteen months that tells me it's ok so probably sometime about two years from now by the time we get through design everything  sure will sometime over the next three months we're going to have to decide we're going to build x because then i and the team have to do a bunch of working drawings then we have to bid it and they've got to build it sometime between now and june or something in that timeframe so  there'd be continued discussions on this we're having a conversation over the next phase of design for the design team is called an architecture and design development this is schematic we have a rough idea of all the parts and pieces and how it fits in roughly what it costs will move in or call design development where we start to dive in and well exactly what kind of windows are those chris and dan and exactly how many fixtures and how many toilets and all that sort of thing a tremendous number of details and we'll get into all those things and i suspect we'll be asked to have a few more meetings like this to keep everybody up to date on what's going on so it's been it's been completely wide open to the public so far i don't see why it would need to stop in the future so thank you so much