for meeting and just remind everyone if you have one of these if you could put it to sign it we would greatly appreciate it or turn it off either one thank you ok so we're on to number two on our so a couple weeks ago or more than i ask right if i got a few minutes on the agenda to talk about the regional dispatch website that i set up so i'm wondering if there's time for me to do it tonight or in public to be heard or should i wait till we talk about this r ok now we're on to item four which is public to be heard this is a time for the public to speak to the select board on things that are not on the agenda is there anyone here tonight wishing to speak here in public to y e twenty nineteen capital budget and five year plan who would like to kick that off great i could just run you through the sheets that are at your table just minor changes and it's basically updates from yeah it was new handed out today so under highway equipment vehicles under f y one thousand additions operator capital budget transfer if you scroll down it's now at one hundred sixty eight thousand dollars and added to that column next to it is seventeen thousand thing highway equipment vehicles it's just the same in order as well roll over look over to me why in one thousand editions for the apple tax budgeted there was fifteen thousand dollars from wreck impact these that were going to go into there and via transfer from recreation yeah it was it was a way to move the projects from an operating fun transfer to reduce the operating fund budget and to take it out of i always use your funds so it's a way to those in the project description and if why additions capital made that change basically based upon the changes you made when you did the operating budget longwinded that's  twenty twenty one twenty two and twenty three there's lots of blank spaces up there and this goes back to the whole transformation of how we're presenting the capital plan now that we look at it and retrospect the earlier plans is difficult sometimes it is to understand this one it's much easier to understand than the earlier ones because we're mixing a combination of income and outflow and what we where we don't have a number and if left as blank it could be it to be decided and some of that quite honestly is where we are in the development of this plan and i'm guilty as any other staff person there are some elements in here that we really need to you throughout the year some of these i think we've worked out really well but some of these we need to come to the board periodical during the course of the year for example and equipment replacement plan and get that accepted so into the capital plan the numbers just flow in for the next couple years that's in here that's pretty clear some of the highway paving projects are in here pretty clear what isn't in here are some things where we may have on a done if i had future needs for example i'm just going to go through there's a if you look at the the master list is two pages that shows the outer years and you when you look at the second page with those outer years there is it could be zero or it could be a to be decided for example like the blanks like in i'll give you an energy saving projects the balances of f one nineteen is twenty four thousand to forty seven there's no expenditures in the future years it's it to be decided but what we really need is quite honestly and every one of us has a bit of the a piece of this that we need to solve  in this case it may be energy committee in other cases it may be me or be another staff member what we need to do is come to the board with our five year plan for what our expenditures are going to be based upon the income that we put in every year for the two cents or whatever else we're setting aside so there's a least a well defined plan out five years i t had a plan it's outdated it needs to be updated so there's no information there for i t even though he they have a plan of how they're going to go for the next five years and utilize the approximate twenty five thousand dollars we put in each year it's not a written plan and so my recommendation is both to myself the staff but also to the board is for us to come back with those plans for each of these categories so you can look at down mostly pretty straightforward that can be done with the operating budget but it's at other piece that needs to go in so in future years we can fill this in with very specific numbers as to what our spending plan is for the next five years and there are updated when we change this and we decided to go to just spending we don't have that information yet so we've left those columns blank in some cases we really don't know what they might be we know that we're going to repair the roofs of the roof slate roof memorial hall so that's in there and that's planned for expenditure in f y twenty one of one hundred five thousand that's a saving up for years for the money to do it so that was pretty clear so right now we're not going expand anything in f y twenty and f y twenty two and twenty three it will be done so that one's right where it should be but then like i say you walked work on the other ones and they're not they're not as clear a know the questions and he's come up with a question are we going to buy a senior van or not we we've got a we've got a fund in there we've got money in the f y balance for senior van so what is the next five year plan for that senior van and i think that's a question can't we should be able to do estimates on there and have there should be a document that the board can look at that looks at senior vans and identifies what the plan is in the plan maybe we're not going to spend anything in the next five years we're just go the staff and get us to a point where there's a better understanding so i guess what i'm saying is we decided to leave those spaces blank if you could if you would like us to we could put the to be a t v d in each one of it may be a to be decided and i think the senior vans is one good example right now i don't think we can tell you when we're going to spend that money in the senior van but we have money saved for that eventuality so we should together i've done a lot of this in the past you know as part of developing a capital plan i think it has to be a broader perspective including all the staff the committees that are associated with some of the like energy committee for their input so that you have expense a plan for capital expenditure for that particular one and that's one recommendation that i that i make and that we quote on so you force us to do it i think we need to do that and we need to put those pieces together for the next two years so it's real clear  someone has a question you pull off that plane it's a it's to be decided because at this point we don't know what we're going to be doing with that project you think that's realistic that again it could be done i think it should be going to next year and i think i think as i ease myself out of some of this work we need to ease ourselves into some of those reports so that future boards would look for those reports from staff and when they look to the capital plan the capital plan is kind of the end result of looking at all those other interviewed at steps of how we're going to spend that capital money and at the end it might be a very easy thing to improve the capital plan before to look at each one of them just like you do it with the fire department vehicles in them and the public works vehicles you approve a plan and we put that plan into this document i think those other areas ought to have a similar plan and be put into this down so to create the plans obviously that's going to take time to do but what about as you were saying to update this with the zero or the t b d is that a that's doable we talked some about that today and i think that i don't it doesn't change any of the numbers in the plant right so i don't have any problem if you were approved the plan as it is or if you would approve the plan and say fill in those blanks with either a zero meaning we're just go playgroup being an example or a to be decided and then footnote at the bottom so it's real clear where we're going it's got to in the business side as long winded but that's something that i wanted to get there and said is that it's an important operating budget but in the out in the in the operating transfers column and there's nothing there and i thought that i remembered we remove that from the operating budget  s any questions from the from the audience on their account the five year the capital   our business items now on the first item of business is approval of the capital budget which we just talked about so decided if we have a scoping study grant for a project that we haven't identified what year we might get funds to build that in that would be to leave it in a to b t b d because we know we're moving on the project we know those funds but we don't dennis for all you do on this very good that's ok we're going to move on to our next item of business which is election a facilitator for a community discussion about firearms ordinance great your top choice and one sticky next to your second choice and see how that splits things out if it's an easy top choice we can move forward tension pretty quickly if it's blood and two different tough decision to make do something different ok fine before we get into that i'm happy to enter questions i was just trying to preface it a little bit and do we need to have more discussion about what we're expecting here because some of the responses suggested that maybe we weren't clear on what we were asking  screen and this is not a firearms ordinance change discussion tonight all we're talking about is going to find who the facilitator will be for that public forums i would like to go almost like it's a pretty close call to this too i mean although one has more but everybody become food gone with the one that has the seven versus the one that has five i would i think be a good thing to have a discussion between the two for me they were may third so i would like to understand what other people say ok then that's that works plans run through what we've done in the past and see if there are missing anything if anything special or different that should be done this year to date you get the memo in front of you but to date so far the work schedule that ricci has been passed out meeting night that are usually out there and getting ready with their different boards and committees and service organizations the community dinners been scheduled and senior bus and child care both been advertised in staffing is ready to go if needed some other potential option just to do a meet and greet with the new town manager can be dinner before the community dinner is a survey which i passed up tonight that has the proper tools in order some of the common definitions of people made here there's a survey at the back of that question little piece that's been what received the past couple of years or so festival year started doing the welcome reading to everyone attending the meeting which is also been well received that's what n d brought i history last year and those are the thoughts of what's been done to date wanted to bring a tear attention to see if we're missing anything or if you wanted to change anything this year from previous years one thing we're missing is the boy scouts or the girl scouts or somebody to bring in the colors would be nice right girl scouts last year boys goes two years ago go back to the boy scouts and try to alternate each year because some of the audience kevin to be available at the dinner and then we could do you know kind of a short intro to who he is and then allow people to go out and talk to him during the dinner we had dinner everybody we had a number six here i mean found another opportunity at the high school or a girl's a basketball team to play a t l at at the high school so four thirty already was something but it's earlier in the day o so i just wanted it i just wanted to make sure that if if you boys are really interested when i want to do the tommy in college can one of you give me contact information i'll contact you to make sure we can coordinate that so that you know what we're looking for an th the the walking reading to attendees to the questions you want me in the question and we didn't come up tonight is any issue willing to do it again or do we want author if we have a pretty pretty good list here then all right so there's no motion to be done there right now ok question all right so let's move on to the next discussion business item six d and that's a discussion of governance in representation in prep for every thirteenth joint meeting with the trustees great next pretty much introduced it there's a joint meeting coming up on february thirteenth one of the topics past few meetings has been governance representation at the last meeting on december twelfth the select board decided it wanted to discuss some of those issues internally most yourself before you bring it to a joint meeting and that is  mean i was just really responding to last meeting in the consent to gender there was a letter from ramona shepard that i think to me articulated it very clearly and i my message last meaning is kind of carving out from the political and emotional than you or the earth component i think if you think of the ten representatives the five trustees and the five select board members you have ten people present that are representing the people who live inside the village but you only have five people present that are representing i think you i mean i think there's two two basic solutions right either add more more representatives for the town outside the village or you reduce the number of representatives for the village it because we shouldn't be doing this after we amend the agenda to have all these additions and have additional ones come later when so i'm ok for you to do it but i'm introducing diagram that explains a topic but you use words i use a picture but if you want to head documents to it that's been our practice is that we do it in the beginning under additions and changes not after so right now if you do that that's that's kind of against our losing anything that's not here with guest speakers yes we we do that put from the board and staff we do it in the beginning i can make if you look at the board's ok we can do it this time but i'm going to really if you see this is a visual representation of i think what susan scribing that i again some of us think a picture is worth a thousand words so what this shows on the left was how the residents living in the town out in the town inside the village have representation from the trustees and that representation is one hundred percent whereas it is half representing them half representing town outside the village folks as you'll see on the right hand side we have town outside the village residents who are not at all represented by the trust use residents who as you can see from the picture i think quite clearly are very much without an equal voice in this and just to go back to history we've had years and years and years that we've talked about how tax fairness needs to happen  and all of us have been on board with that we've consolidated a number of things we have increased taxes for outside the village residents and decreased taxes accordingly for inside the village residen it's now time i think to address the other inequity which is the representation piece and that's why i'm hoping the rest of this like  i just want to ask a question so you say ad representatives from outside the village where we adding them to you could put them in the missing link you could add them to the audience at that you know the twenty fourth of march are all kinds of ways to get in i think it's a completely public meeting and everyone is invited so anyone can show up there so are you i am i'm i'm just i'm not sure what we're what we would be adding people to we've already village folks so according to this diagram we might want to set up some sort of group or i would have a group of elected or set up a charter for a district outside the village that is equal at least in population to the village population and therefore some might argue deserve to have representation because there taxation is not equivalent right now with the representation that they have so it's not just from march twenty fourth but since we're talking about this issue on march twenty fourth we may know i'm just not under so understanding what we're adding them to i don't think you know are you talking about a governance model that has a representative for people outside the that we represent is the elected by outside of the we can't do that before march twenty fourth i'm not sure what i'm you know i guess i don't see said she's a suggested i don't know what you would where were the solution gets implemented maybe that's the right question well i wasn't turp the meeting on march twenty fourth is identified as a lunch meeting with the trustees is it an opportunity for more than just the ten of us to sit around a table and have a discussion or is it the ten of us sitting at a table and potentially people being able to like jump in at certain points in the conversation because i would want to make sure that that anybody that is attending if they are able to attend i wasn't really sure because the way it was being framed as it was kind of an offsite more private meeting but if it's open it has to be elsewhere by a lot and that's that's positive so that's good but that will they be able to be i don't i don't yet have a sense of how that meeting is going to be facilitated is it going to be just you know open dialogue or is it going to be more you know in the fashion of our meetings here where you know the public has certain opportunities to talk on the thirteenth racks or you know i think lay down some ground rules so that the public participation would certainly need to be part of that discussion whether we do or don't do it on the twenty fourth mike first of all a couple of things i reject this premise i do i really truly cannot see the need to put five times people on here when you have a select board that is dude we sworn to represent them in the first place number two i read said something about a charter that absolutely makes no sense to me whatsoever because with all of the consolidation work to be done for the last four years to really introduce some kind of a special charter to allow five additional people to command and have a say when you have open bidding center do we warned it just makes absolutely no sense to me at all number three the meeting on the thirteenth will be duly warned it has to be in order to make an order to comply with open meeting law for the fourth the words we look twenty fourth excuse me and i'm all for letting whoever wants to show up being five remember great we set this on a saturday to try and promote as many people coming to the meeting as possible so i think if we've worn it properly and we get out the word whether it's from the front porch for and articles in the reporter leading up to that particular day people to do the job that we were duly elected to do makes absolutely no sense to me at all  so the charter idea is part of the brainstorming i thought that was going on here i'm not looking to have it shot down or approved or fleshed out i was just told that we don't have any more than two options or but we do but we aren't articulating them so that's just something that i said because he because this if i said we need to set up a separate group then i would be told they can't as i have in the past they're not chartered they can't make decisions and i understand that so i'm saying i'm open to all kinds of ideas for giving people outside the village the same decision making power as the people inside the village who are trustees in the long haul so the question is as we look at governance especially as the select board because we are the ones who are half responsible for the happiness of the town outside the village and half responsible for the happiness of people inside the village but there is no one who is one hundred percent accountable outside the up is that the because the slip work represents the entire town so one hundred percent town one hundred percent hundred percent town outside the go two hundred percent town inside the village but then the village gets the added five people that are only representing the town inside the village so if you're going to use percentages somebody who lives in the town outside the village has one hundred percent representation and someone that lives inside that has two hundred percent representation so i just i need just some clarity here that are we trying to solve a governance issue long term or are we talking about exactly the meeting that we're going to be doing you know near term so we're did i just think that it's in order to have a fair and equitable discussion we need to make sure that we have fair and equitable representation in that discussion so so i don't know that they're destroying things i think we need to make sure that we have built equitable representation when we're discussing what that future governance model looks like ye one can't help but think that this seems to be a solution to a problem that we don't even know we have yet if you're talking and i have to agree with max this seems to be at least to me arguments are being made to have it appear to me to be guarding against a perceived possibility that the governance issue the governance that we will come up with in the future is going to be an adequate and i don't i don't see it's it seems to me to be a solution without a problem and i just i can i'm sorry i disagree i just don't see it well as well as representative of people who live outside the village who have brought this issue up time and time again i understand where they're coming from and it behooves me to speak on their behalf even though i also represent people from out from inside the village but i do understand where people like barbara hagan's is coming from iris banks before that and many other people in between and afterwards who say we don't have enough representation at the table on the way that you see this visually is there's no other way did circle on this chart that shows for example if this were hatched  but there is equal representation in decision making so you can call it a solution waiting for a problem but i'm saying if we don't know that this is a problem we go to talk about governance once we make decisions it will be too late to address this long term problem of not having adequate equivalent representation and if you're talking about solving a problem then we need to have the select we need to have the trustees as part of that discussion and that's what that meeting is all about i just don't certainly an option that could be considered when we have the broader discussion and i know we're not tent is not to the to solve it here is to governance issue governance issue right right in and maybe maybe this is a way to say that yeah we're thinking about it is you could establish the right two districts one the village one outside the village and you have representation you could have a select board of so many people with x number at large x number from the village x number from outside the village all into all voted by themselves all with their own budgets all with their own problems in discussions in factions that's certainly a way to do it and so it's one of many and one of many options right some just saying that to to address the specifics that irene is bringing up here that is a possibility i'm not saying that's where we're going because i have no idea because it's just a you know i'm just i'm just trying to figure out of that's the discussion we're trying you're trying to get us to have or whether it's going to find it's it's whether i'm sorry or whether it's you want more participation from outside the village in the discussion of how we're going to govern this entity called essex with its village that's inside is that i still have sorry i'm really struggling to understand what you're voice to clear things that i think we're kind of talking about over each other one is the long term solution for governance and that's what we're getting together to talk about right and that's not going to be just the trust es in the select board deciding that's going to be we're bringing in a one hundred m put from the public because it's their community right so we're going to have to find a way to do that and there's many ways to do that  but that's to to get to the long term solution that's what they quit if we're talking about how we're going to actually discuss this short term in the next few months by adding people that's that's a whole different discussion and what i'm trying to understand is which one are we talking about the governance that we say we want to solve you know into the in the future or governance discuss the discussion of governance in the short term and is that where you're talking about adding people so so so i'm talking about the latter heading and ensuring that the voice of the town outside the village is represented in the same capacity as the voice of the town outside in the discussion where we're talking about governance models in the future so the short term and i think part of the concern is that when we started to discuss this with the at the last meeting with the trustees there was some reference made to that the boards will decide or at least make a recommendation and then you can gauge the public on what the board had decided equitable from the start look like what are you proposing a solution or just departing that that's an issue for the discussion discussion let's just talk about the sky i honestly in my mind in vision some sort of a large round table or oval table where we're all anyone that wants to be a part of that discussion is that equal footing on that discussion because everyone is part of the same community so that's about when we on the thirteenth we talk about how do we engage the public at our kickoff meet on the twenty fourth right and i think that's a great topic for the thirteen to say how are we going to do that because i totally agree i want to make sure that we're getting the boys out of government is a big decision not to be made overnight and snotty made just by us i mean we're we're we're the final say i guess on it but we do it we would do that at our peril if we did it in  back and i just think it's important that we as a board talk about it before we're out of a discussion with the trust and that's what we're doing tonight ok and to be on the twenty fourth isn't necessarily a discussion about how we're go don't think we're anywhere near that yet and i think i think you know that's the starting point of education ok this is so you know to get to the to the question that was trying to answer here is do you can you get representation without taxation or do you have to have separate districts can you can you transfer assets owned by the village to the town you know how does how does all that work i think that i thought that was what we're talking about in the twenty fourth so that we can are informed when we start having the discussions about what's actually legal you know what's been done before and that's that's in that that you're seeing on the twenty four that absolutely is should be open to all members of the town whether they're inside or outside the village and all on equal footing and weren't right and so and so i think i saw mike in a come see ok adding the five people because i think maybe i might have misunderstood when in that in the time frame of things when were you suggesting that these five people be added eventually i just wanted to find a problem tonight because i got the sense of the last trustees and select for joint meaning that we didn't even understand the problem necessarily that there is a lack of equivalent representation between the two boards for all of our constituents are so just so i'm absolutely one hundred percent clear you're not talking about adding five people to either of the two meetings that are coming up in the near future i don't know how we would do that and but if you get where that that's the issue if that's the case if that's the case then i don't disagree that is an option that would be part of the discussion as we move forward and i agree with that however this comes up whether it's a board of seven discussion i misunderstood you i thought you were looking to add five people to this immediate discussion that we're having number one i couldn't figure out how in the world we were ever going to make that happen and i could see no reason for it at that stage of our discussion so just to clarify the clarification i think sue is next and i come to yeah just in this point where the discussion on the twenty fourth the way we were framing and you are correct was to have it be a information gathering session and supposedly have some experts or knowledgeable folks that are going to be able to share and we're going to be able to ask questions and what not right i mean it's at some point stray from that and start talking about ok now we've learned some things about different governance model options kind of trying them on for size i'm talking through brainstorming and i want to make my thought processes i would want to make sure that there is equal representation in that discussion so it either we set ground rules for that meeting on the twenty fourth that is strictly the content is strictly about gathering information and learning and not about jumping into that next discussion we're if we're going to jump into that discussion and sure that there is some vehicle for anyone that wants to be a part of it to be on equal footing with the other the elected representatives are there to have been the never be on the same footing because they're not all active but that doesn't mean that they can't share their their ideas concerns whatever with us as we just need to find a way to say when which discusses as as a here today and as a group on the thirteenth when and how we want to bring in the voices of whoever happens to to want to join us at that meeting but they'll never they're not like that so we're not going to have singling correct we're not we as you said the final decision lands with the board but if if the intent of that is an open dialogue to understand where the community you know what the opinions of the community are then we're all just members of the community having opinions yeah and we need to be careful too that even if we have fifty people come to that meeting that's not the whole community we as our board and hopefully with the trust ees we need to do way better than that and get more voices and i am assuming we're going to need to do not a survey but probably several iterations of surveys in order to make sure that because there's no way we're not going to take those voices you know we're not going to just take the voices of a few even if it's five people that that you know people are in for so when he does get to that it's it's just a formality because we already kind of know equity conversation so you have five elected officials that are going to only be seeking the input from the town inside the village and you have the same number of people that are going to be seeking input from the entire community but if we talk about a survey as a group of trustees there's no doubt that survey is the entire town and i don't think we're going to have a hard time convincing the trust that's the type of survey we're going to write i think that's our job to make sure to ensure that everybody gets represented that that's the only way to do it really right and if you have that i think use the n b m kind of clerk as for clarifying question though you said i thought sam tried to ask it but it was and didn't i didn't i didn't understand the enter didn't didn't get the answer that i expected or didn't understand it  i thought you said earlier that people inside the village their taxes went down and people outside the village their taxes went up that's been the goal of tax equity all along with little or no  lowered taxes in the village and raise taxes outside the village that's a correct interpretation of what i believe has happened as tex equity has increased ok i've got the numbers  resident who sits on the times i would hear love to know how i'm not representing both i'd really like to know that because in the six or five and a half years i've been here i've never heard anybody tell me all the different scenarios out there you know again make sure we get the voice of of the people for us to work with that information try to shape it into something that's starting to get some form of governance and then i think you we're going to need to go out there a number of times to to get it to the shape where everybody says oh that looks like so we can all agree to that school take walk but i don't think we're in a rush so i don't think you should take this personally mike it's not that you personally have failed it's that the structure fails people because they don't have one hundred percent on the board quibbling to the trustees it's not on the select board to make that work because of course we are representing everyone as this diagram shows there is just the missing link and that's what i'm saying the question i want to stop ponder in our spare time is how do we solve the missing link it's not about this select word feeling so please don't misunderstand me it's about the way the structure is set up that people outside the village feel they don't have equivalent representation and i've heard that and if you haven't heard that i'm sorry to blindside you with this revelation but i just wanted to drop it it's fine i just don't i think we're just going to have he said we're going to disagree for i think i still submit that this is a solution looking for a problem i i think having this missing link in the us this equal representation is is number one too early because we haven't even had the joint meeting with the trustees she had a number two i believe the trustees need to be a part of that discussion as well if we all agree that we are serving the greater community and that we're serving that essex community they have to be a part of that discussion so i think i just think it's way too early of a possible solution i've i've already admitted that i misunderstood your original intent with this trial my apologies for that i just finished and i just misunderstood is it a part of a possible solution into the future absolutely it could be information items secondly shared and i think that we could probably come up with some more things that would benefit him not to overwhelm them right at the start but i also saw the trustees had put together a list of things and i we have one plan weeks i don't think i have clean copies of all of our policy documents up and part of it is all of them certain documents that you think of the most worthwhile to them right away that's ok so you're pretty open and at this point well you see  i think i'd be good for this i mean when when i when i first got elected four years ago i got a binder from pat that's a lot of us on a date now and i i possibly haven't been diligent putting clean copies in there i'm not sure i ever obtained thing copies of some of them because we as we have beat them they get approved and then you get links to them on myspace that would be that that would be my preference right if they're just up on the website somewhere that anybody can access you  there i guess i have to question about why we have a dispatch yes thank question answer i thought was that residents might be seeing it in other towns and wondering why it's not happening in essex i'm just clarifying that dislike for decided not to put it on the monday morning certainly take it off and not give it to you for distribution but i thought it was just get information out there all the way through it at some future time but based on the lack of information the lack of questions being answered decided not to go there  my my first blush reaction is to have it there i fear that intel meeting is going to go further afield with a lot of questions about this maybe that's a good thing i don't i don't know but i'm i'm wondering if this is going to raise more questions that he can't answer and it's going to answer it's all about some of the questions they asked as you might imagine there were not many members of the public there in fact i was the only person there month after month the press didn't get there often as late nights covering meetings like this but everyone else there was focused on making this happen and i had the distinct opportunity advantage i think to sit in the audience and be able to take in all the information at arm's length so what i decided to do was given the complexity of this issue challenge myself to boil it down to something that i could explain to my voters should assoc sworn it as a vote and yes it's not want another vote it could be beneficial to my other friends region in county who are going to be voting on  of if other towns besides shelburne which is the current decide to do regional dispatch anyway there's not necessarily any inherent time savings in dispatch but they would be able to take advantage of some economies of scale there are also some other ways to speed up the placement of emergency responders one of those is which one of those which is the nine one one technology itself that's currently  country as you may have seen an article in the wall street journal earlier in january of this year you can get a pizza or can find you very easily but nine one one cannot so a considerable amount of time is spent by dispatchers trying to ascertain where callers are because the one on one system is not as robust and modern as the software you use on your smart phone for other things if you're at there was the current options right now we have a nine one one two stage response here if you call nine one one in essex you get someone somewhere in vermont picking up that call and then they have to forward it to essex before they deploy emergency responders whereas if you call dispatch via the ironically named non emergency number you in many cases will get faster dispatch  i have to raise a point of order again sure i'm wondering i'm wondering why we're having a discussion on this if it's not being presented to the voters and that we've already voted on it i mean i'm i'm all i've looked at it but i would make reference to the fact that it's there and then move on it we've we've decided that we're not going to put it out for a vote i think i'm just wondering why we're going through all of it again if it's not going to be presented to the voters and that we've already decided the issue i was in or that this u r l was sent out to the board so i apologize if i waste your time i do not know you're not wasting my time i'm just saying that i don't think it's appropriate to appropriate that i'm just about done ok so so there are two current options and then of course there are the proposed options there are pros and cons of each and there are pages on the website that talk about the options to talk about the people who helped to make the decision and i would welcome you to visit at your leisure once again it's chit county dispatch and the only reason i brought it up tonight aside from public interest in public information is that i know in the past when some of us have gone to events like the l c t days or the miss world it we've had an opportunity to share what we've learned and so i thought you might afford me a few minutes to share what i've learned because i think that when we call nine one one where we know that there is a better alternative to calling nine one one i would not want to withhold that information from people i meet with on a regular number of the questions that have come up one of which is why did you bother since a six has voted not to do this and one of my responses is that essex may do this eventually and this i just want to make it clear for the record too that this is so i think this does not since we're in a hurry i didn't say that you are correct max it is soley my own work as a resident of the county not as a member of the