say anything harold observed did not contribute and did not comment on the work of that working group intel came to the vote and at the last he he simply voted against it so if you if you are a member the a town committee and you don't contribute to the work of that committee and you simply vote against the output of that committee i don't think that i speak against that i think that's the wrong thing to do you have to be willing to to to contribute if you're going to sit on a town committee you have to be willing to state what you want and what you don't want and that was why i complained to harold nobody was trying to force him to do anything i just said that this is if this is the output of the committee and nobody is saying anything against it why are you voting against it when they actually come when push comes to show bicentennial committee we will be selling t shirts profits go to the historical society sales of the t shirts and the ornaments go to help defray the costs of all the events we've been having on this past year the monthly concerts we have one more concert coming up on july twenty six friday night it's called stars of the future and we're hoping to have sixteen young youths with talent  each do a solo in the round church and tim white for it's been working hard to get the students violinists pianists and so that should be a nice night on saturday july twenty seventh we're having a community photo at nine thirty on the banks of the round church so we'd like to encourage all residents of richmond that are available to come out probably take you a half hour to get everybody arranged  over to the round church green so they'll be on the green there normal hours from five thirty to six thirty the richmond community band is going to be playing at seven pm we may have a brief opening ceremony we have invited the governor to come but we don't know we won't know whether he's coming or not tell probably just before but if we have any kind of opening ceremony on it will be brief and then after that we have a group called fill in the blanks for street we're going to have a chance and actually set up a dance floor so we're hoping people come friday saturday august tenth the day begins at ten o'clock when the round church opens and they'll be guided tours of the round church they'll be on a laptop a video that john billingsley filmed of talking about the history of the round church of the interview guides and people with memories of the round church the neat videos we're going to have that playing all the time john will also be there out in the on the green recording people's memories if kids adults have memories of something that happened at their own church slighting on the hill going to a wedding going to town we would like to capture that so john's going to be there filming for a couple hours our local pill church logo and so that's kind of a one time opportunity that that day to get it if you can't get there that day you can leave stamp and lopes with the postmaster and he will stamp them for you and get back to you we're going to have old time old fashioned children's games of from eleven thirty to thirty and then we're having crafts fenders and food vendors spread around the green so the chance for people to get something to eat and buy some crafts for keepsakes or for upcoming birthdays are looking ahead to christmas and we've we're actually supporting the town under the music tent we're going to have music from eleven to seven different groups about every forty five minutes and some of those are local so again it's all free so in your courage to come out on saturday and again let's hope for a nice day on sunday the congregational church traditionally has what's called the pilgrimage to the round church where they move over to the round church on sunday where they or their roots began and have their church service well this year i've been working with reverend marjorie mick neal the interim minister at the current issue of church and we have gotten clergy from the other denominations that helped found the round church so they're going to be participating in the pilgrimage so we in curch people to come out for this church service at ten o'clock at two o'clock we have a speaker is professor glenn andres from middlebury college he's a professor of history the history of our architecture and he's going to talk on preserving vermont sense of place and we're going to have just this whole ceremony will be about an hour but we're going to have allison an artist going to play a couple of songs on her violin and yesterday we have a very good organist will play a couple of numbers on our organ and we again have invited senator leahy and senator sanders to come but we won't know whether they're coming or not but it's also a way of if it's that day of on or in the original members of the richmond historical society who did all the work initially to restore the church on its rest you know the rest of us have been maintaining since then another thing that is happening is from july fifteenth through august thirtieth one of our committee members david sobel has gotten works of art and photo relative with the theme of richmond and they're going to be on this play on on the rise bakery the richmond free library kitchen table beach drove the bridge street cafe and the richmond victorian in so for that those six weeks as you go around town on you'll be able to see you know people i think a lot of the artists are from out of town have how they have captured the round church it's it has to be one of the most photographed and painted buildings in the state of vermont just everywhere you go east you see that and you also see it on ads and i got a call the other day from somebody who wanted to use the local for a new development that's coming up and they wanted to know if they could use it and you know use around church as a symbol without paying us anything and i reluctantly had to say you know they can use it we can't copyright that so i'd like to encourage everyone to make this a real community event this committee it's one of the best committees i've ever worked on worked for two years now trying to put this all together so we really would hope that the community support us and it's my understanding that the highway department is going to help us hopefully move some things down on friday and provide us with  barricades where we are going to close off church street except giving the shermans and the richardsons robertson access so they can get in and out but the r closest probably friday night and saturday another thing to mention for the fourth of july is that we made close to the round church parking lot that might not be available if this weather continues we're exactly next planning commission appointments and martin thank you for being here i'm thinking because there was some question about what we're going to and we got a letter from you so if you just want to talk a little bit about what the thinking is of the to new members came on expanded us out to four in our discussions we pretty much decided that we weren't going to go forward with the floodplain and i wanted to hold off and keep it small and work our way through the floodplain quickly and get that wrapped up and then expand out to seven talk a little bit train but since we're not going anywhere with the floodplain right now well we're moving but we're going to moving at a slower pace we want to move forward with the park in the s as quickly as possible and move that on the you guys for hopefully immediate approval but the floodplain there's going to be some more investigation and there's just going to be i think a slowdown in the process and at this point rather than continue to drag out we have volunteers who are interested we've just to get these guys on board and try to find a seventh now and get up to full staffing do hopefully a little training orientation with all seven of us and then and then by then maybe floodplain be taken care of probably not see where we go see if we're going to go and go back to the zoning roads or whether we're going to spent some time on  a lot of desire people are living in the floodplain to get some additional clarity to i think it is but there's definitely a discussion to among the planning commission and folks who have been showing up at the planning commission have express their interest in reviewing it deeper so there hasn't been a lot of folks coming to the planning commission but those that have voiced an opinion to to not go forward as quickly revisit it there's a lot of discussion about rolling back some of the there's only regulations to the fema bare minimums which we don't really know what all those are so we have to investigate that  and learn what are the bare minimum and some of the members want to which is great want to reach out and meet with additional folks who live in the floodplain and find out what their thoughts are on the proposed drugs and so i think there's a lot of discussion to be had and as much as i would like it to to at least get to approval where it is because what we've offered has been a big improvement over what they have the consensus is not the consensus among the planning commission as it sits with for and certainly would make no difference with seven i imagine is to take this slower continue to reevaluated over the summer and  seven is irrelevant to the speed in which the flood plane is going to come forward now if there are folks in the floodplain who are extremely interested in having the proposed regs as they sit right now and move forward then maybe they can make their voices heard at the next plane a commission meeting but they haven't everybody that we have heard from has discussed concerns about what's being proposed and whether or not it's too far to m you understand because my minder standing was that there did seem to be the general call for for change in order to make the brakes more user friendly if you well and what i i think i heard you just say is that there were people who were living in the floodplain coming forward saying no just keep things the way they are is is that correct is that there's a general does not i don't think anybody wants to keep things where they are  nearly as far back to fema bare minimum whatever those may be and there's a lot of debate about what that might actually be and that's going to take a bit to find out and even if we do do we really want to go there once we find out what the stream a minimum is are the question of and i don't think the board is decided on that they want to go back to a few minutes but they want to learn about all this so rather than going forward with just what it is and what we've got proposed and then going back and taken to deeper longer look they would just assume sit on the regulations as they are and the folks who are living there under what they've had to deal with and hopefully when it's all said and done clean number boom here travel to the polls originally we're going to expand out to seven diversify the voices on the board and i think that's all good thing so here we are six a kind of  i don't think that the board would want to stay five as a whole and i certainly respect greed and we should get up to seventy and we should we should get there now at this point as quickly as possible because i think to get everybody on as quickly as possible we can all get on the same page and then begin to move forward ok could it would be great if we had that seven person come to our next meeting in beijing to be ready to be or if they wanted to consider the current came to date and they said yes so we haven't researched the city so it doesn't directed at research so i think they want to reconsider the remaining candidates they want to know who are still interested and we did interview on the candidates earlier and defer to mark here he saw all of those interviews and is willing to move forward so i i do want to have some sort of respect for what the planning commission is putting forward to us easier to have a core of them when you have time and a quorum if you're trying to get stuff and i know it's just one more person to make a quorum but sometimes that one more person makes a difference i mean look at our audience or commission exhibit so that's my only that's my only reservation was going to suck it respective of what that's just how i feel that's one way to look at the other way to look at it is if you go up to seven and three people don't show you the course whereas  training i'm assuming you don't want to go through training twice no not when every time someone comes on new day which is i think part of what's contributed to the folk lay not moving forward is that there was there was a history of  folks known and then moved dropped out of me had a lot of knowledge and understanding of where we were out at this point and two new people came on who we did and that knowledge is valuable and expedites things and any time someone new comes in if it's nothing more than having to explain to them the same sentence that each one of their member has asked a question on at some point as a joint you have questions us revisited with a new member so if we just get up to seven answer the question want to we might actually be able to move this forward every every session where we don't we are we're borrowing things down even from some we know that candidates mark doesn't have a problem with the candidates i think and i think we are talking about here and and i if we're if they want to go to sap and i respectfully disagree i think that the rationale we were given originally for staying in five was the desire quickly on on the flip pla quickly as we hoped i think that the odds of something being able to operate even more quickly than that are not good i mean i think that this issue has been unfortunately waiting far too long i mean that we put it on the back not the back burner we pitched it to the larger zoning rewrite and that that failed and people have been waiting now for two years you know to have this issue dealt with and i think we need to basically cut bait and just move with the five member board  floodplain regulations are not going to be gone quick there is going to be some discussion and some exploration and a lot of education from members of the plane commission now so if you're educating five or educating savage it doesn't doesn't you know really is going to slow it down if you brought it up to and and what you're going to end up doing is you're going to end up throwing two more people into the mix after the fact what we finally do get floodplain and deal with some other issues on the way were always the whole time i could be able to plan on any training or anything because it doesn't make sense to do training that's not and that's not the case so long i don't think it's going to go any faster i mean that's my educated opinion of the contents of the board the participation of those who have showed up at the plane commission to voice their opinions it's not going to go quickly and by holding down i find you're dragging it out and then when you finally we're not to be able to do anything but floodplain discussions in education to a degree but there's other stuff that still goes on so we're not going to have anybody brought up to speed on any of the  their planning commission responsibilities and goals for or wall they'll be thrown into it but they won't have the training they won't have any kind of education cost because it doesn't make sense to do that and then bring on two more people  seven point those who are interested and so we have right now a motion on the table to keep it five we have two votes for that to vote against that if you're feeling like you don't have enough information you can mark you want to talk a little evaluating the floodplain regulations and i say that because in that meeting we agreed to move forward separately with the parking proposal and the signage proposal and get those to a formal hearing which will be in july on you guys for for hopefully easy approval all abutted that there was a consensus among the plated commission and among all of the  public participation to really evaluate what we're doing even though the proposed regs are infinitely easier on those living in the floodplain than what they're undergoing right now rather than changing immediately to something less stringent people would like to spend a lot of time like to spend some time more time reevaluating and seeing just how far back they may want to i got the impression that it was headed in pretty much one direction which is the regulation of the flood plain bringing bringing richmond's regulations back down to the fema minimum and  and why we should go to what is the fuming man on why we should go to the female minimum are there any drawbacks of going to fema minimum what those members what those citizens living in the floodplain feel about and going back to the few m training and have an open discussion about this without bringing people on in a minute if we stuck with the five right now we might be able to go somewhere with the flood plan i'm not sure it's going to be any quicker than it would be with seven project i doubt it i don't think that the number of people really going to slow it down if anything i think it will provide a more diverse it can only be a more diverse and you go from five to seven the more people the better making a vote so we're hoping that we can get up to seven right now do a little training as we continue to move forward on flood plain to  more community outreach and have something to you as quickly as that in the past that you know there's also sidebar discussions going to be going on about where we're going with zoning regulations as a whole the town plan as a whole and if we don't bring ourselves up to speed to forward to a full board as quickly as possible there's going to be a lot of revisiting and even more retraining and and  that everybody who had applied because you know there were there were there were volunteers to bring up to seven and only seven that it made it fairly easy object people who have volunteer stepped forward to to help out no one else has let's bring these people on and and make you know the planning commission and if people are would like to voice their opinion too that they you know they can and they can continue to get involved in other ways so we're hoping that you guys go forward as quickly as possible so that we can  being willing to take on this judge and to leave the committee and to enter a very constituted i mean this is incredibly important but i think you've heard some of my frustration which i'm sure other people are feeling too that the floodplain issue continues not to be dealt with and it's really recognized they think there's a general consensus about the direction to go i think shortly after you know one of the things that i called on the planet commission to do is to figure out how to what the fema minimums were and then to to simplify the town's requirements above and beyond to the extent possible and to me not to make life even more difficult for issues in relatively short order and then revisit the question of the size of committee later on for tackling the other issues and now we're sort of doing a one and i understand i am listening but i'm just wondering whether the evidence so far has been that increasing the committee which you know we had to do the five isn't necessarily helping things go faster and you can't promise that it will go faster  interviews at the next meeting because we have to do that we we have to try and do that it only deal with a committee of five to nine and we can agree to go to seven next time if that's what people want to do but take the time between now and then if i if i could ask you to  at least fill the position tonight and get us to five i will reiterate to the planning commission still desire to bring it to seven to bring it to seven with the people who have shown an interest and anybody else who happens to come along but at the least we should get up to five just say fifteen quorum numbers and we are going to begin the discussion and we're going to be reiterated rediscuss seen a lot of things as these new people come on but at least there will be one less person that will be that much for their head in the in the show what 's going on so i just you know have five people if we can't have seven and we kill or can have seven and if we can have six because the select four chooses not to go to six at this point i would strongly strongly discussion about the national discussion about the flood that's so that if they are interested they could at least or anybody who has any opinions on the floodplain discussion should come to the planning commission meeting and express their concerns about how quickly or how thoroughly things are revisited that would be agreed to it is unfortunate that we're not going to get up to speed as quickly as we thought and i think that's going to be to the detriment of the speed in which we're going to move forward but so be same apple numbers are in a hurry so theoretically you could interview whoever needs the interview and a point increase to seven point those positions ago and lost my bid but i have yet to serve in a volunteer capacity to benefit my community i think that's a strength that i have no prior experience because i don't come with any nine and secondly as a teacher i'm licensed to teach high school science of the last twelve years i've been teaching in that capacity so both of those experiences have given me an opportunity to work with a very unique set of individuals i have had to negotiate multimillion dollar contracts with military departments and i've had to break up fights between fifteen year olds in the sa classroom so i come with a unique skill set   your sister is a list i checked with jeff afterwards and i don't think there's any policy in place that we have placed out that that creates a problem but can you speak to that and how  you m word for you in that situation because you'll be dealing with a relative well if your brother you'll be taking action that may affect the world and if you could just sort of talk about what your thoughts are about how that  i am capable or think i'm thinking for myself and supporting my own recommendations in writing and in a public forum there is no conflict of interest and this town has a precedent of accepting nepotism in its town politics thank you are no never have been but i have worked as a project manager in my engineering capacity so i am capable of reading regulations and looking at blueprints and all those things that i'm john part live here in richmond in the village i worked with the last incarnation of the governance committee a couple years ago when i was on the select work a enjoyed the discussions with them looking at the state in that case the statute we were we were that regarding making the delinquent tax collector and appointed position rather than elected position and enjoying a good discussion that the the research and and ways you know trying to look at that is broadly as possible to figure out how to best help the town and this seemed like another big opportunity to engage at that level and i'd say we green probably ninety ninety something percent of the time  people schedule our first meeting and in the interim if we do get solid interest from the person which i think which i think we will then we can have that person to the committee for  be willing to meet we meet monthly for an hour that's it there may be a special meeting here and there but they need to be participatory in the conversation and they need to be a user of the system and that could be a basic changes all or no person shall park any vehicle reading the number seventeen either side of town the highway number sixty four railroad st entire length and a number eighteen entire side of town highway number thirty west 're changing people are still going to be allowed to park there we're just cherry changing along the side of the road on the new west point hill or can finally writing a section ten adjudication of parking tickets which establishes an appeal procedure where somebody will be appointed by the town manager to hear appeals not official will essentially have a miniature traffic where are they from the person appealing or from any other officials who are bald and make a decision whether or not traffic ticket will stand and those are the basic changes we should open up a public hearing to listen to the public on the issue and then clo parking continues to be more and more limited with access to our natural features rivers and things like that we're also hearing more complaints about people either going it and there's one neighbor that feels like she's she's open to three sites and and there's she feels like there's absolutely no privacy because people are feeling like it's public property and taking over her land so she  property and the need for science the right doesn't need that and then they need to control parking which is assumed to be out of control and push ahead jeff is that do you feel like we've struck a good balance here where some parking will still be allowed but adequate signage we put in place of the people who want to you know giving the benefit of the doubt assuming that most people who go there want to follow rules that they can clearly understand what the rules are of west one pill which i would say do the slope of the road yeah is the most convenient place to park at the bottom but it's also the i mean as the president of course what bill that's that's dangerous suzanne there's a poll out right now is that there is sort of a wide area on the shoulder that people park on i would say that's more than likely within the right way of the road but if it's one of the places i believe to these foreigners said the people but yeah i mean there were people who who had would seem to be very you know well founded issues with that level of access to that point and i believe the homeowners take responsibility for the si shoot the people who own the property who also access and to me what i think that i understand what you're saying but we can't solve all the problems now so i think we need to take the president with mark there i think i don't i don't think it is such a leap for us to to also take into account the need to provide for parking in that area i'm going to state my concern again that if we do the land trust lined up an alternative so that so we're not just shutting it up we're we're directing it somewhere else so we're proposing is just straight eighteen from from the so low it's like if we keep it in it's not to go till after labor day so it doesn't solve the immediate problem regardless of the summer it gives it goes into effect then we have the winter to so there is a contract that exists to clean it up i received another e mail from the attorney saying they hope to do that this week and get it done by the end of the week they said it was a three day process they're expected to start today i didn't notice any activity over there but i'll keep you updated and hopefully this will be get taken care of sooner rather than later specifically with the highway department there have a truck lined up they were supposed to have a truck in the lower for this current fiscal year which by the way for fiscal year fourteen we pushed the truck off we're going to be looking to replace that this year plus a number of other items we don't want to go into detail with the want to start the process earlier comments i'd be willing to hear them or sometimes you just have to have it now but it takes you do it right away we did one on huntington road a couple of years ago and this time this was white children were the signs are listed on the schedule but they would be placed on this is a grant that's initiated by the regional planning commission they determined that west whitehill qualified under certain criteria they asked us if we'd like to apply for a grant we said yes we've been awarded the grant and this is the essential of the great agreement that we would enter the town with very little to do with this regional planning commission i think the state actually hires a evidence to suggest that the work that they do makes them less high risk or are they just terrorists just and how they're rather placed the risk really comes from accident data i have no idea what kind of accident point or after right but the idea is that when you improve the signage and you bring it up to what is the new reflective code in the large letters and things like that that people are going to be able to see the signs signs are visible to be able to drive safely we are beyond that because there are a lot of data out there i think it's too  original i think you thought it was bounced around was that we could sort of phase in the depot street parking lot and build the first phase which is the site work in the base paving now and apply for the park is attractive financially it's really it's a policy decision for exactly what he said it would become a reserve use when davis said privately like that you have to have these spaces i personally don't think that we could ever and force it because you never know who is in commuter who's not new to ultimately may not matter but i've heard that before with this time but would you know pursuing this grant program because that's really the question this is what would it would take because that's the more there's something we can do to prevent people from using it as a the is eighteen t want to get additional legal leverage should something happen later on even if if we feel that we're clear about you know responsibilities and authority we've been telling whether this could be used in school tax rate is going up to two point zero three five three for residential and two point one one for nonresidential people may hundred thousand dollars three hundred thousand dollars it's going to be thirty times thirty which is three hundred dollars a year hundred fifty thousand dollars it's thirteen times pretty good about bringing definitional estimates of increases that we get to partly through the budgeting process we didn't hold it as much in check this year as we had a previous year but part of the reason was because we had all the he june thirtieth results show that we're positive by twenty five thousand eight hundred fifty seven dollars i know that we did recently book another retail doing taxes and penalties so that number is contributions to the school resource officer which they pay for half of that position so we still have probably another twenty twenty five received an engineer half to two inches less than half hour and it really destroyed a lot of the ground the roads damaged some of the paved roads that's not yet been declared a disaster or treating it as a disaster we're going to have a significant amount of expense i'm not quite sure we're going to handle that there are a couple ways to do the best way would be if the state was able to expand the prior disaster because this report looks pretty good ultimately how it swings out to get a lot on what we're able to do with this story so can you explain the difference on the first half we were  this is there's there are a few notes that i would want a little bit more explanation on so for example and this is only an example under administrative rather it's one hundred thirty four percent of what the budget is much is five thousand dollars or more says look slightly better than expected would be nice to know why that is and there's a few of those  one hundred sixty nine percent it just says over expanded that's clear but just having an idea of why that's who we're spending would be helpful for so just looking at some of those notes and then others don't have any notes which i would  equipment no interest that's a two hundred percent it's that's one hundred percent over budget just setting a sense of why that interest is one hundred percent over  budget oh anything with miscellaneous i would like the next one because i really think should go into miscellaneous since it is one of those things that ok i don't know where to put it but you at least should have some sort of explanation so if you're one hundred sixty one percent over budget i'm miscellaneous supplies an explanation of what that is and there's a few of those under miscellaneous so i'm just having a little bit of information  and there was a there were a few things on the other document as well that i think needed a little bit more explanation there are one marilyn scheduled to come back and fireworks can go off in the rain i know there's a very strong storm they were came to do we have a limited ability to reschedule them means we have to give them significant advance notice whether we want to reschedule or saturday or  trailers and quicker to be set up plus a couple thousand people walking on saudi ground we're going to suck that up do what it takes to fix it afterwards which may july first so mr bordeaux has until july thirty first to get his personal facts or whatever else he would like to read from the property at which point the town or its contractor will be able to enter the we're going to begin the process of soliciting people to clean the property up developing a scope of work cost contractors so you should expect to see the awarded that's for instead of two hundred twenty five dollars and seventy five cents which is here it's two hundred twenty five and seventy four six then i had a question about especially if it's like you know you can say