corrections or additions under item for a three page five in the minute you included a statement by miss the segment that referred to a statement that i personally made but you did not include the statement i made and in the interest of have children and in sports and he might have other interests and ideas about the recreation that way then it kind of makes sense her a bottle for her correction of my cork statement page seven correspondence or number seven correspondence page eleven this was the one about harbison and the property and the second paragraph next to the last sentence it seems to state a fact which i didn't think was actually a fact and i think it should be modified to read them lawyer from mr harbison asserted that the property in question has been known by harbor it's under number seven correspondence it's on page eleven of the minutes and the second paragraph next to the last sentence and also apparently we had another piece of equipment that we weren't aware of that was fried with the surges we don't have the overhead camera power outage occurred on on wednesday and there were some some issues in some of the buildings but there was a second event on thursday where a tree fell on a high voltage  that causing these surges and and i have a list from the fire department that's two pages long of places and what happened at those places as a result of that and  that is or anything else under special reports item is there anyone of the audience that would like to speak on a non agenda item exemption exception for multiple signs for a fish fry probably are all well aware we're about to start line each week it's a six week and event and st benedict has traditionally run a fish fry every friday afternoon for a launch and friday evening for dinner during the weekends the friday nights as in lent an order to this is a fund raiser for the parish and it had it helps to free some of our costs that are associated with maintaining the campus over there and in order to attract the maximum amount of people who might be interested in eating a great fish dinner  have traditionally put up signs in the township announcing the that fish fry is available last year when we tried that we found out that the township had put in place an ordinance on temporary signs and we were in violation of that ordinance this year we are coming to the to the council to ask for an exception that exception we are proposing is that we would put up signs on wednesday afternoon of the week and take them down by saturday noon time of that same week so that you would see signs up for three days essentially over seven weeks we recognize that the ordinances is first of all important second of wall is addressing the issues with too many signs  and so we have tried to propose a a what we think is a fairly reasonable alternative we are talking about putting up side and were also proposing it to put up six or seven what we call posters signs they are two foot by three foot and announce in either direction  fish fry is available these signs are printed with lettering that's large enough to be read at speeds of forty mph in a vehicle so that we shouldn't be impacting  causing i guess accidents or and that sort of stuff and so that's basically what our request is it in your doc it is a letter from mr a group that specifies the locations nt i'm not sure that that we can do that the other option we had again would be to put them up for two weeks i know your time limit is normally two weeks we would put them up for two weeks biggest thing that we have is besides the ones you mention is the political science which tend to have a longer life than just the election period time you guys are gals are exactly right what you're doing the trouble is how do we come to a compromise so that we can saying is there's probably some way to compromise i mean the bit that sign on the bridges we haven't really used to be that bridge yet for any of that i don't see there being any problem with that sort of the bridges we haven't but we've been talking fred has my understanding is you'd like to have them at certain major intersections and i don't see that that would be a good thing for us to allow because other than where do we stop you know that there's other churches there other organizations why would a them just generally what the the ordinance provides for those those other two signs with the only temporary sign rules that we have pertaining to a particular business one a temporary sign for but there's actually on premise that right because i know they usually put like a little banner down you want to do that for a lot of special permits i'll show her each location where they're going to go there for mine right but i mean if we find other help us understand help me understand this on premises off premises is that private property so my question goes back to first walking and in light of what that has happened can we do that and if we can do i need a special  so i understand make sure i make no mistakes we can have signs on premises we can have signs on personal private property central property not as long six were long as your long term six feet we can  business appointments to be used to commission a move that we table appointments to the youth commission until the next meeting so that we can adequately preview all of the candidates since we finished our last interview tonight for  agenda the purpose of a consent agenda is to improve efficiency of our meeting and to avoid having people wait for items that apparently require little or no discussion these will be active upon one motion although any idea can be taken off the agenda agenda and separately from any council member or audience member desires the items on the consent agenda is this evening or one special permit for the save the cannes birthweight committee for fundraising events signs on the true bridge on april fifteenth through twenty nine and may twentieth through june third number two a special permit for the cross country to search for their five k race from june third to june fifteenth  this is chapter two which is in a position to be accepted all the public improves except the top coder completed we have all the bonding and we're recommending it be accept petition with the petition only has fifteen which is less than our minimum of twenty had other areas where you've had a small number a small pool back fill place any idea why they failed to get that many because it seems like it would be something people would want i don't know i'm not i would recommend not accepting it nasa can come in they need at least try to find king i agree with your comment because alice in driving that and in now in what they normally suggest for traffic calming i'm not sure what could really be done other th who got ten years ago well we're looking at that you know there was a significant accident there earlier in the year and they're marking on and this drug should be looking at that because that road is going to be i reviewed pay rules and bills on friday and everything seemed to be in order to the cost of a reader okaying the pipe with in the street right away would be the township's which was about eighty seven hundred dollars and then we were going to take the pipe down like just  the house was under construction and secondly when there was a problem later on and in both of those cases the you know they had to expend money and then secondly they felt that the situation would not have occurred if it wasn't for the development me that doesn't pass muster and the fact that you're saying did it it was because a developer across the street once again that's not our responsibility i mean i did i thought i made it pretty clear when we were in december that i the street goes their problem to stop it from running we can we can require that they stop the runoff from their property right and i think the discussion was that they put some type of pipe or cashman or something or rush the bottom of the driveway which seemed to help the mean i just we to me we have some responsibility for any water that's coming off the other lot making those people solve their problem and we can we can do that we can require that if that's if that's the house so i wouldn't be inclined to do anything more than that i think that's a very generous of what i heard that made me question and maybe this is part of the argument that they they presented was that in the beginning of the building when the builder built the house the house was to be inspected that it was correct what we were told or what i heard and you can correct me for mr over cash or was that it was never right in the beginning yet it was approved and off we went in his implication was that the township was at fault which is why for not catching that mistake now that was my interpretation of what his argument was s there were there weren't any notes on the original plot plan it was submitted did not show the existing pipe under the road there were and i think there were two things getting the up in the hopper the understanding there were there were two issues with storm water that was a vol one was he had to go in and put a storm water sample in the back and that was one of things a building inspector had directed them to do i think the other pipe was was i don't even know if the building inspector was aware of it because it wasn't shown on the plant so there was never anything shown and i think what happened was the builder then tied at those that small pipe into there are bigger pi and i suspect what happened with that then was all tied into the storm water sample which was never designed to handle the flows from the street and i swear in a few years later we ended up with a problem on the street and they were directed to correct it and we opened it up and and then sometime later they did correct it i don't you know i don't think the township ever saw how it would correct it and so you know and and up until recently there had not been any major issues on the road and that's how we got to we were i foresee i can't give you a definitive position on what happened originally i'm just you know supposing based on good i agree with your comments that the cost in the idea of extending it all the way to the very very very very end of the property is a bit extreme without any participation on the part of the homeowner i'm not sure where that where we would compromise so there again they so i would give them thirty days to accept the offer that we made before and if they don't want it it's off the table would you continue to start it just beyond the end of the house or would you stop it in the original location because mr stickler suggested we might extend a little further i would go with our original proposal i mean if if extending it a little bit further solves the issue then you know yes i could go for would like a group that's that that should be in outcome of the budgeting process but also when we do said employee goals are we going to have a sign off by the employee at the beginning of the sylvester there's a list as some of the training programs that they do we normally send some of that off to the boards in case anybody wants to do it like there's one for  first two would buy the more functional the money was donated to the which took or look for use in what's wrong with letting the chief decide where he wants to use it most effectively but that's