do by introducing my colleagues who will shortly be more numerous than we are at the moment but we are a core and so we will start to my right and to my left i'd also like to take a moment to as i think the as the board members know one member of the board joe  board after much thought i right to it was that i here by resign my seat as a member of the planning board effective immediately giving my unwavering commitment to the pursuit of the highest of ethical standards  for see that my involvement as a principal parentheses developer in one or more of the projects that are being contemplated for development within the town of belmont make it best that i resign from the planning board rather than seek or accept  appointment it has been a pleasure to serve alongside all of you as a fellow member of the planning board and to work together for the best interest of our community i hope moving forward the planning board will continue to dedicate itself to preserving the resign from the planning board while we understand and greatly respect the considerations that led you to this decision it is a great loss for the board your deep and practical understanding of the economics of development and their design imagination you have brought to the board have been of estimate of value your deep community roots have been very valuable in shaping zoning by law changes the town man meeting enthusiastically support  wheeler senior town planner all right in that case we will move to the second item on the agenda a new public hearing for requirements for restaurant of seventy five when a street located in a local business one's own industry thank you and the order that we will follow in considering this item is we will first ask the applicant or the applicants team i gather to speak following that let me ask you what is there anyone in the audience as yet who's come to speak to this i well if in the course of hearing the presentation by the applicant anyone is moved to speak will then take comments from the audience and then we'll discuss it as a bit as a board so as you step to the microphone may i ask you to introduce yourself repeatedly repeatedly inviting neighborhood restaurant at seventy five leonard street in the former macy's space think it's a great opportunity for the town and just to offer something new for the book with xen farm to table a lot of american food something they could go to every day and for the for the entire town really make it a nice warm neighborhood environment i would direct access from the parking lot behind us look at tele parking and  the municipal law there have a nice beautiful spot there and and that's our project sconces that we have existing and we're proposing adding a menu with the cuisine in the in the window illuminated slightly most of the up traffic will come from the back it's from the parking storage walk in coolers and trash pretty much is going to come from the door to the dumps there which is across the lobby from the parking lot and this is the entrance the comes in from the street we like i said we anticipated the most people be coming from the parking lot our main design element is actually the expo in the shop kitchen which is going to be activated that the reduction of the parking is his approval and what actually happens here is that requirements so buy albeit not on the same walk as the restaurant but as i pointed out earlier that's not been a problem for prior applications for other existing restaurants in london st hoping that that's not going to be a problem you let me ask if there's anyone in the audience who has a question or comment i'd then geoffrey spencer any comments from community right in that case colleagues have a question you very nicely told us that there are three hundred eighty two parking spaces that a minimum of three hundred sixty one to a maximum and that you would use part of those so the question becomes how many restaurant c are there in the center i think you have the  court two hundred seventy six two hundred seventy spaces plus there's some basement space too that's well if you're talking about russia wants to see yes and then you have the other thing so how many space so or just a question i don't know if you're representing look at tele partners but if they are anticipating other restaurants coming into the meeting spaces that are open what burden that may or may not place on the parking  out i have i have a number of first data requests and then question the data requests are the numbers that you've provided a number of restaurant seats number of parking space and so on are really best shared not in the narrative form but in the form of a table  the second as i think is rough is already said we all want we need a copy we need to look at the copy the memorandum of understanding i think we also this is more for the board quite there was a question about parking this is for us to do for you to do but i think because we have tried to be consistent in the way we've applied requirements we need to go back and see how we treated that as well as any other restaurant any other parking places come the most recent of course being nasser  i looked at the bus and training and commuter rail schedules to understand  how the employee if the employee parking is obviously a major concern because they're there all day every day i'd look at the commuter rail and the bus schedules and it would be good to have something a little firmer about where they're coming from me i understand you can't since you haven't hired them yet you probably don't know but you do know where your current employees are coming from to see and you know i certainly have some basic discomfort was saying seventy percent will take public transportation because that is really impossible for us to monitor and that is really a major contributor to parking on residential streets and in the permit lots again this is more of a question for the town we put in these nifty harking meters which i confess i have not fully mastered but i think one of the things that these parking are supposed to do is to let us see how heavily parking is used and how many bacon spaces there are so that we get some sense of what the street parking availability that's been discuss and i think looking at the kind of calculation chuck was doing mr clark and taking into account the needs of the other businesses we wish to be business friendly but we wish to be friendly to all of the businesses and for anyone who listened to the discussion of whether the farmer's market had to be moved because parking was so tight this comes as a little bit of a surprise me i think in the requirement of consistency here and i think that's a that's a concern to me either and it was a problem then or it is a problem now y any other questions observation i have one more question probably for the owner but i do you have do you have a plan b for employee parking plan and walk all the way down under the bridge and then they go they make that same when we close up they make that same walk all the way so they really go to the ends of the salon in our best interest to how we want our gas to be as close as possible easy parking and our staff is just the nature of hospitality for us to kind of have it the way make it easy for everyone else that's something we instill in all of our employees i know a lot of the businesses in town doing the same thing so that's that's kind indeed understood the other common questions i thought my suggestion would be that we work with jeffrey and to be certain that we provide you with a complete list of information that we are looking for we need to do some some research on our own to go back and look at the minutes and so on of our own hearings and i think we should just in terms of the time jeffrey would you say continue to august on the alternative would be to continue to july eighteenth and that seems somewhat unrealistic with that i'd like to move to item three on the ridge on the agenda of the ever popular review and approval of minutes from may twenty third and june sixth we had held these minutes to make certain that these all the members of the board who were not cues from the day school discussions had time to review  so that i believe the portions of the minutes they did not deal with the day's school had already been discussed so i will be recusing myself from the remaining item on the agenda post approval of the minutes and barbara i got the you may wish to call for approval of the day school part of the minutes that i live within three hundred feet of the belmont day school  i will recuse myself from the discussion of the remaining i dated with their comments there were about fourteen comments that they had responded on july third b s e came back again on the seventh and essentially closed everything out with the exception of two items and today stan tech was able to respond and neighbor outreach again similarly b d s had had one call with a pretty particular neighbor and and they feel like they were able to engage with that neighbor there were some questions about storm water we were able to provide some additional nation and that went well the driveway as educate some members of the board questioned whether the proposed driveway should be considered a protected use under the dover amendment and this comes directly from robinson and kohl's letter under general law chapter forty  section three no zoning ordinance or by a large shall regulate or restrict the use of land or structures for educational purposes on land owner leased by a nonprofit educational corporation provided however that such lander structures may be subject to reasonable regulations concerning the balkan height of the structures and determining yard sizes lot areas setbacks open space parking and building coverage requirements and and we've tried to provide information regarding each of these to you  throughout this process so a couple of points the proposed driveway is located on property that's owned by b t s and that is contiguous to the campus the purpose of the driveway is to provide access to the campus from concord avenue for faculty students and as we heard from the fire chief for emergency purposes and the proposed driveway therefore must be treated as part of b d s is use of the land for educational purposes within the meaning of the dover amendment and therefore protected from regulation there's a lot of words on here and i really hate that for slides but i think the important part is that massachusetts court have ruled on this historically and consistently they've held the dover amendment protections extend to many municipal efforts to regulate any aspect of a religious or an educational institutions campus so it's not just to the building and to the structure it's to the entire campus and and i'm citing here four different instances you'll notice in the robinson call letter there  actually a couple of more but at the bottom it's effectively that it's a campus focused approach that has been recognized by the courts and it respects the principle that the dover amendment protects the right of an asphalt design acceptable and within standard industry practices there were a number of questions and some things that were changed and i just like to highlight those there was a one thousand square foot area discrepancy discrepancy that was noted in the calculations and therefore corrected graphical adjustments and in no were made to the site preparation plans a root barrier was recommended and implemented between the trees at home or chambers added to the stormwater chambers a dimension was added to the detail for the porous pavement here for those who will read that detail in permit impermeable barrier was added at the end of the poorest pavement we had proposed that it was simply clarified on the plans there were two signs added that say no sanding and no snow storage and finally an operation and maintenance plan was revised as recommended and the two things that were added so the additional signage is right here it says poorest pavement no sanding no snow storage and then again there's another one that will be right at this location that reads poorest pavement no sanding no  there were some additional test pits that were conducted for primarily soil classifications for construction but there was concern on the part of a number of people that the testing was done at a time when the water levels were  representative and so they looked at test pits again on june seventeenth and we all know that it has been raining recently the death of the test pits ranged between six feet and ten feet there were four additional test pits two were in the driveway and two were in the location e next issue i'd like to talk about is that cemeteries buffer unhandsome and and bob corning who is a landscape architect will run us through those as well as through the light particular along the cemetery edge of the property this plan shows the existing layout of the highland cemetery including the plots the existing wall runs along the property line here and then it turned slightly at this location so that's the limit of the existing wall we wanted to make sure that we showed up on my day school's existing what they call the far field of our city field that's an existing field that's very important to the school's use and it's already challenged into particularly in terms of its with so that's a that's kind of a constraint that the school has in terms of the field location and then you can see mr leavitt's properties here convert avenue is here we put this plan in for reference this was what was previously proposed as part of the original application that the proposal had the five foot buffer along the edge of the driveway for the entire property line we did have a number of big proposed shade and evergreen trees starting past the wall and extending up into the driveway curves from these black circles here are existing trees and that's important to note in the next slide so we did a number of things to look at improving the enhancement along a cemetery edge the way that the driveway is reconfigured now is that we maintain the five foot buffer until we get past mr leavitt's property and then the buffer increases to eight feet to do that we had to eliminate a few of existing trees that was on the previous slide along the edge of the proposed driveway we've also added a significant amount of trees five deciduous shade trees nine evergreen trees and seventeen ornamental trees along the cemetery buffer so this is just plan illustrates the proposed planting in the context of the existing aerial photograph in the cemetery some of the trees that are proposed are plant materials that reflect the existing natural vegetation but also will provide seasonal interest as well as a buffer to the cemetery or from the cemetery so we have  maples the evergreen trees that are proposed because of the limited buffer dimension are more upright and columbus are evergreen trees and then we've introduced a number of ornamental trees mostly in the lake here and dog i'm going to go through a couple of sections that illustrate the driveway section starting at concord avenue so this little plane here concord i have is here so just up from concord avenue is the first section so you see the five foot buffer the existing cemetery wall least according to our top a graphic surveys about a foot by eight hundred inches off the property line so we still have a five foot buffer from the property line to the edge of the driveway which is the proposed driveway of twenty feet wide a slight slope up to mr leverage property the next section is moving just past mr leavitt's property to the south so this is where the parking the parallel parking is introduced and then we've also increased the buffer to eight feet so this is the increased buffered eight feet and see one of the propose evergreen trees here one of the deciduous trees behind it twenty feet of pavement with for the drive seven feet of parking and then transition back to existing grade along about my day school side of the drive and then moving a little bit further south right before the driveway bends and goes up to the existing park lot of parking lot it's a very similar detail but we have the eight foot eight foot buffer this is where this is past the existing wall so there's no wall of dislocation just woodland  and then the twenty feet to seven feet and then transition to it one of the previous hearings we showed a couple of photo simulations of what the driveway would look like from concord avenue so we thought it was would be good to show that representation with the proposed and handsome and with the planting this is the proposed driveway as part of this package that we resubmitted to the town we also submitted a detailed landscape plan that reflects all of these changes as well as the increase in the tree caliper size from three and a half to four inches as was requested last so that's part of the record was some comments the last hearing about the lighting and the need for lighting the school feels that it's very important to have lighting for safety as well as way finding it is a school use during the winter months there's pick up that dark for the evening events and what we've as weaves explained before our strategy with the lighting was to provide the absolute minimal amount of lighting that we felt was appropriate for the use and i just wanted to a little bit of the thinking behind that and what the proposed lighting is is indicating as well as the photo metrics can be a little bit difficult to read and get into the detail of that a little bit more so this is the proposed lighting as it was proposed originally and is still being proposed the light poles are about one hundred feet on center they're sixteen feet tall and these little graphic illustrations represent what the distribution is of the lighting so it has a forward throw  the driveway slightly but then it has a much longer much larger horizontal throw so that it spreads the light between the poles in a greater fashion diagrammatically looking at it and section taking one of the sections that we just looked at this is the disapprove and so it shows the light being distributed across the end of the driveway but stopping before it hits the property l and i'll just talk about this a little bit this is a enlargement of the photometric that was submitted as part of the application and what all of these numbers represent it's a grid that shows a level of foot candles which is a which is a way to measure lighting as it hits the ground plane in for reference when we usually do a lighting for a driveway or a parking lot or pedestrian areas we usually use one foot candle as a typical average over the over the  project area in this proposed design the air for the driveway proposed for candles is point to one significantly below what we would typically do we also have a minimum of a half a foot candle and in this case you can see like in between light we want to give an opportunity to the public to comment on the updated side presentations time is always tight i mean they were at eight twenty five now i'd like to allow as many people from the public to speak as possible a couple of guidelines i think we can give you and we try to end these hearings by nine but i'm hoping that i can keep the board here a little bit later this evening so i would like to open for public comments until nine pm i'd ask anyone who wants to comment to keep your comments to the three to four minutes time frame and i can give you a little sign when you had the three minute mark i'd also encourage you to really you know if you agree with the comments that have been i just mentioned that a quick sentence and move on because we have had hearing during the course of this hearing we've had some frustrated people as we try to manage the situation of hearing from the public getting comments back but also having the opportunity to have a discussion among board members so with that i invite anyone who has comments to to to step forward or it's a huge problem so i'm going to be made worse by the driveway and by and also by the athletic field ok number three dover men vs the supremacy clause ok right now basically they school is trying to make up a law that says the dover amendment trumps the emergence of disabilities act that's a direct violation of the supremacy clause which is article six clause two of the united states constitution they're free to challenge it but nevertheless disabilities act it's a federal law explicitly states that schools are not exempt from it ok so the idea of the day school claiming that driveway is a bit occasion to use and also by the way they claim it's an roshan i own a lot at the cemetery part of my feeling is if you look at the trees that are along that side and i'm in the highland section the trees all lea you know in that direction if you're going to cut out all the trees to make a street over there those trees are all going to fall there's going to be no wind support to keep those trees up it's going to be one big meadow i didn't pay to be in the meadow i paid to be in the highlands that to me is a very major point that i want to make with that and the and i'll just make a note that there's going to be no privacy for me over there with cars parking and going up and down all day long and my feeling is with all the noise that's going to be coming in it's going to drive out the deer the turkeys the bats the h all the wildlife that i love to see that gives my soul some substance when i go into that cemetery we have one of the best cemeteries outside of mount auburn cemetery and this noise is going to destroy the wildly i haven't heard or seen one bit of information that relates to you know any wildlife studies being done and the light levels again that's going to drive out even more of the wildlife that's just just doesn't work and then as far as the barn goes i thought we weren't allowed to have wildlife i mean farm land animals and everything in the town and horses and everything do they have permits for this type of agricultural use i mean am i going to go there and hear the roosters crowing and i going to get the smell of the cow feces i mean this is not really appropriate in my opinion i mean the barn should not be allowed to be erected over there and then what's going to happen to the runoff from all of the waste from these animals i mean it's just should just shouldn't happen and then with all the lighting going on all the long time belmont residents my children telling me all the going to light it up over the great place for the kids to do drugs and to have sex of already had the police come into the cemetery to chase out kids doing that over there and it's not always children but you know it sounds like the school is getting ready for a huge expansion even more children are going to be there what they have there is fine but we're going to double the size of the place that's what it sounds like to me and then you know what the parking on the driveway and that's going to be all lit up there's going to be an aggregate amount of light from all of that lighting combine that's going to come right into the cemetery to say that there's one light here and one light there when you have a long stream of lighting there that's going to affect the cemetery and again understand it is their responsibility to have a parking offsite if it isn't going to be at the helm one host will love excuse me it will be somewhere else but that doesn't change their commitment to managing their parking they have been my door has been open my phone is not ringing with people calling to discuss any of this we had a conversation with neighbors to arbiters who are close to all of this who have friends on either side of this debate who are graciously agreed to open their homes getting two separate dates where they were reaching out to folks to make that happen the school was ready to accommodate both those da ellen o'brien cushman chair of the center commission so i'm here tonight we did as noted earlier we received an outreach from brendon very kind to ask me if the cemetery commission would be willing to review with them individually a  landscape plan and just for clarity because i'm not sure that it really came across in kelli's presentation we didn't say we didn't want to participate we felt like we don't necessarily have the expertise to review particularly an individual landscape plan and we felt pretty uncomfortable about doing that separate from this process so we expected that to happen through the special permit process to all through you all in terms of your conditions that you normally would apply so that said without that expertise i'm doing just basic calculations i'm trying to figure out out of seven hundred linear feet which looks like according to one of the lighting plans that the gentleman showed tonight how thirteen kilometer evergreens are over that whole span which is about one every fifty one or fifty six feet is going to screen adequately the feelings of the gentleman who spoke earlier and the people who have loved ones in the cemetery so that they're not right on top of the driveway and the parking lot and the soccer fields and all that so the math just doesn't really work for me so i'd love to hear about how that would happen and then lastly in the stormwater report the peer report there was a notation in the end towards the report about how the poorest pavement would be adequate based on how they described it however it was really dependent once again on excellent maintenance and the cemetery commission once again will emphasize that we don't feel that the risk is worth investing in purely maintenance we feel like a design solution is a better choice rather than trust that someone ten years fifteen years long after all of us are gone is going to make continue to make the right choices about vacuuming and sweeping and taking care of that poor a circus and lastly the last question is about the light poles on the submission had to do with the enhanced high limiter cemetery the poles are still shown at sixteen feet  we placed the plants as close as we felt comfortable with giving them ample room to grow in the future we think of an adequate screen along that edge and i did misspeak and i think the graphic is incorrect   name is david oddy one golden st precinct one the happy taxpayer in belmont for forty years and a proud grandfather of four children to go to belmont days cool i hate to interrupt this little negative session here we've got a lot of picky points and things but let us remember that school has been here a while it's been a good neighbor consistently it serves a good cause they've done everything they possibly could to accommodate all objections and they're making adjustments here and there and trying to reach out to the neighbors i don't get it and all this talk about the traffic i just don't understand instead of people going to and facebook road every day they're going to be just coming out to be going somewhere else and coming on so i believe the traffic is going to be halved on the monday school not double i don't i don't get the logic  of the public would like to comment proposals that were for us this evening and identify any questions that we have any further information questions that we have for the outlook and i'd like to start with the landscape plan mistake for the board see the landscape plan and approve of a stand i'm not saying we're taking a vote this evening i think we cannot vote this evening given the fact that i would i would prefer for my own self to have the plan in front of me in a quiet corner and look through it and not rely on what i remember from a ten minute presentation here i think it's too important i think the landscape is and is a concern for all of your voters and for that and for the proponent and i think it's too important for us to to to discuss without a serious quiet review of the changes worse if we're seeing things tonight that we're seeing for the first time and the specific concern i have is about the difference between a sixteen foot and twelve foot at any other foot lighting in that area and what we can do to hit that balance that provides a safe experience for people who are driving at night but this is not completely disrupt the neighbors who live along the driveway i appreciate the efforts that were made i think that they were a good first step in the right direction but i was going to also say they think that there's needs to be a little bit more clarity on the the lighting piece because in the detail drawings that were submitted the supplemental drawings that were submitted was noticed sixteen i'm glad to hear twelve is the actual but it's not reflected in these drawings and actually i was the one that raised the question of whether or not that lighting at that lighting at that level was needed whether or not a more baller height type lighting would be achieving the same goal and that is for the you know dr driving times at night and also just the illumination for safety purposes entering and exiting the vehicles i understand that there is a need in and i'm considerate of wanting to explore that but i wanted to also get to another direction in terms of the height which was not captured here also too i mean what's stuck out to me it was that i know that i have concerns sitting on other committees with cushing village and the overflow of the construction workers and absent a plan from b d s in terms of what's going to be happening going forward knowing that there are a lot of concerns public concerns and also meanness about concerns about how this conversation has taken place and i think it's hard for me as a member of the planning board as a resident to to take it on faith will work with you on that i just need a little bit more than that and that would be something that i would like to hear from b d s and its representatives prior to my wanting to consider with my colleagues casting a vote  but i do appreciate that the steps forward with the the landscape the supplemental plan things that you put forward and i look forward to a work with my colleague carl in particular to hear more so i guess i have some questions for the applicant about the landscape planned i mean typically our landscape plants we require identification of the size of the trees that are going to be put in so we know from you know the date they're placed what it's going to look like and i think actually in an earlier landscape when you may have actually shown us some pictures of you know what it would look like originally and then with some three or five year growth i'd be interested in knowing with this new plan what size of trees you're proposing and also just in terms of thinking about the lights you know regardless so to have actual spillage onto the proposed driveway just the sort of the visibility of those lights were the placement of the various types of trees with where that was the placement of the light poles considered as you place th trees or was it more of a static design on the trees particularly running up the side of the cemetery if someone could just give me a little bit more detail on on your thoughts as to meet your decisions i'd appreciate that you're well first of all  it from the cemetery side i mean it's always going to be a different angle towards each light i'm so it's going to very difficult to kind of screen the lights from across the driveway but that being said the twelve foot light poles do have a full cut off fixture and you if you as i tried to represent in that one section of the spill of the light really ends almost at the west side of the driveway you know along the cemetery before it even hits the buffer so there really should be no light over an hour of the last activity of the school so it's not like the lights are going to be on  so actually your last comment some of the public comments really another piece of information that i'd really like to have kind of all in one place you know consistent with the theme earlier this evening with respect to the leonard street applicants it would be really helpful for me to see i think for the other members of the board to see exactly what the proposed sort of use of the driveway is just what time of day does pick their drop off start and then you know you've done some of this with respect to the school year but i think the camp stuff is in a different place it's not clear to me whether there are after school activities what nights there are or what days are really released see the way some private schools has is every wednesday a half day it would be really helpful to have that mapped out over the course of the year so that we all can get a sense of are there activities at night every night and do they go until ten o'clock every night  is it earlier earlier in the winter or through you know the seasons where it gets dark earlier you don't you know we've seen smatterings of that information throughout the  know throughout the application but we've received a lot of paper and it would be really useful to have it all in one place and we've talked about basketball games and other now private rentals you know i but other rentals the extent of soccer games on weekends is that saturdays and sundays is that all day that only the morning i think that that would be really useful to have just all in you know a matter of a couple of pages for us to really take a look at one night per year when they the my question just a follow up on your comment is  really related to the extent of the use of the proposed driveway i don't think even though the proposed driveway you presented as necessary you know for emergency access right to the barn you've also more generally proposed that that driveway is the access point for all p d s activity that's why i kind of wonder understand the full extent of the amount of traffic that we're going to see turning into that driveway seven days a week three hundred sixty five days a year including camp and when camp is not in session and and and all that just be good to have that for us i think in one place i have a question of but about the driveway for the staff and that is whether town council has responded to the letter from rolling stone cold so jeffrey and i had a conversation with george hall  friday it was a fairly brief conversation george was on his way out on vacation i was just coming back from vacation i think it's fair to characterize george's response to the robinson in coal letter to say that it's not quite as clear cut as maybe the up again to this suggested you know there isn't there's not a lot of case law on the dover amendment relatively speaking there's just not so there's no case law that's directly on point and we're operating in a little bit of a gray area and thinking about what constitutes you know reasonable under these circumstances is pretty case this effect so we're  operating in a gray space where we need to be you know balancing the interests of the applicant and the neighborhood and do so taking into consideration you know everyone's interests in rea critic on much simpler projects than this the board has sometimes said to the applicant if you couldn't do it this way how would you meet the goal some other way and one of my concerns is from the beginning there has been only one way shown and the insistence has been that this is the only way that it can be done my experience in building suggests there is almost always more than one way of doing something but i think i think there's no point in spending time defining alternatives and unless we understand fully in the implications of the dover amendment here respect that for what it has to other open points that we want to be sure we have sufficient information i guess i concur with rafi on the construction plan issue and the need for more definite plans in particular about the parking for construction workers i heard you that your plan the mimics cushing village i think that that's you know at a high level i think that we required a little bit or maybe in some instances more detail in cushing village than we currently have from you i think that it may make sense to come up with some sort of a working group situation to figure out how to get in place a locked down construction plan and the next week or two so that we can feel comfortable with exactly you know what's going to happen in terms of that you know temporary gravel road and how vehicles are being managed both the construction vehicles and the workers vehicles for the safety of the abiders the students of b d s and everyone traveling on unconquered avenue  you know frankly i think there have been even some lessons learned with respect to the implementation of the construction plan already encroaching village and it hasn't been underway all that long so i'm hopeful that we can manage that process and learn from you know some of the ambiguity that existed or that currently exist in that plan that we've needed to work through so i think we should just sort of plan on getting that working group in place that the applicant is agreeable to  that's good ok so we can talk offline about setting something jeffrey at this point are there any particular to get the ball rolling are there any particular points in addition to the employee park or the construction worker parking issues that you think we should highlight what we don't have the cushing village plan in front right now one of the things to assess the plan also has to be had to be separately approved by the board  exactly what you said spelled out what the routes that the trucks take to get to the parking hours of operation can you remind me of the timing of when what the requirements were and when there were questions that the engineer was able i'd be happy to help with that but i think there is a prior question and i think that's the dover amendment and i don't want to have a long series of meetings about landscape until we resolve the dover and that's thank you michael town council respond when he has time would do that with respect to the question about for example the landscaping plant the landscaping plant is an element of your site plan route so we've submitted a landscaping plan were entitled to have that there's obviously not case law on every single factual situation but it is pretty clear that even on your site plan review by law you're allowed to have a driveway in this district your the school is protected by the dover amendment as far as the use in the driveway it may be we get to the point where the dover membrane creates an exception but at this point even under the basics i play reviewed by law we've submitted all the information that your file of required even this construction plan you have provisions in your by law under the upland cycling review district that explicitly call for the kind of instruction plan that you just asked for your site plan review general site plan review provision does not call for that we've provided it and we're willing to work with you on that but we have provide carl i think we need to proceed with a discussion of landscape screening because i think that that's part of the ultimate package that we will need to vote on and consider what other conditions we may decide are reasonable to impose in connection with this proposal so it's important for us to work with the applicant to lock down what they believe and we believe is some sort of balance of interests and then ultimately we look at the package of a whole and as a whole and decide you know whether we believe we're reasonably accommodating the competing interests here as we you know take a final vote on the project so i don't think we can hold up review only inskeep george is on vacation this week we need to keep this process moving and i think that you know the the ability of one to effectively screen traffic i guess one other open question that i want to talk about with the board as we've we've heard a little bit about and i think we've gotten supplemental submissions related to traffic management on th yes i would like to hear the walk us through that one more time exactly where the signs are exactly what they're doing to manage traffic flow e you're going to see a sign that says poorest pavement no sanding no snow storage  this location so that the person's driving at this location will move to the right as they enter in turn me into the existing parking lot i have missed one of the basics tell me again why market had a p s that hasn't been part of a conversation or spin that it's not as part of the expectation but do you get that generally with folks going up to a school lane or cycling in bringing their kids in in a tandem type of bike situation not he's not watching this but me at work or is there the i mean colleges you know are there private property is where they have kind of their own roads often will post speed limits do you anticipate any speed limit and then just a follow up with this kind of how could you go over for us the aspect of the traffic management the internal traffic management plan addressing how to guess educate parents and others who will be entering the school what the traffic pattern will be to manage to make sure that i'm in addition to those one little signs we don't see people pulling u turns in the parking areas or doing other crazy traffic  so this is so this is a she just shows the other half of the driveway so we don't get all the way to convert ave so that's kind of the piece that wasn't shown on the last one so people are going to come in this way and if you are riding which is going in this direction which way you're supposed to be doing there's pavement markings here that kind of pushed people over to the right hand side they would either go straight at this location or they would turn here depending on whether they're going to drop off future when when parents sign the children up for school they're given a packet of information they're biased as to the times of drop off where they should go there are faculty members and staff members out there to direct them for the first thirty days there was a comment about you know can we make that longer i guess my point here is that they're in the business of educating and keeping children safe so if it takes thirty two days or forty two days to get the traffic the community you receive in august packet what the communication of truckload looks like where you where your child should be dropped off and picked up and we have faculty duties and responsibilities that are assigned to during our august meetings before the school year begins in fact with your work to make sure that we have adequate staffing at each of those points of drop off to make sure that the kids are all safe and well taken care  your comment just reminds me that in my request for the various drop off and pick up times could you just identify for us you know how many if if let's say pre k gets dropped off or picked up earlier sure you sort of like a  able to i know you have a big plan daytime or evening you're well we need to figure out not only a working group meeting but also when our next hearing will be working around a lot of summer vacations go jules so it sounds like you're on vacation that we get the twenty fourth and the thirty first is that right ok so then our next public hearing really needs to be the week of the seventeenth and then i guess probably