thank you good evening everybody welcome to foxborough board of selectmen meeting for december eighteenth i'll go over the gender and that ball just for being a few minutes late at six o'clock we had an executive session with the police chief larry  out town council to discuss an ongoing criminal matter at seven o'clock we'll have as we always do citizens input and we also have a an award to give to one of our employees to bill at seven o five we have two briefings w give a chairman's update and also mark sullivan wants to update the town and some of the recent issues and threats that his family has encountered at seven ten scott williams a change of manager for the renaissance hotel over at patriots place at seven fifteen another change of managers for the showcase cinema at patriots place with joseph norman at seven twenty we have a public hearing for the kenny chesney concert for the chill at stadium and at seven twenty five a public hearing which is continued for the taylor swift concert at the gillette stadium at seven thirty we invited our tom moderator frank splaying to discuss with us the potential or the options of having town meetings on saturdays rather than the traditional weekday at seven forty five we have the water and sewer board member or members joining us for their request for a special town meeting on march fourth to discuss our water and article the sewer war and article at eight o'clock we're going to review the two thousand and thirteen licenses with five time manager kevin pecos and fifteen we're going to enter into the executive a second executive session regarding the massacre that was over at sandy hook elementary in connecticut there's actually nothing i can say that i'm sure you haven't thought of so i think the only appropriate thing i'd like to do is if we could just have a moment of silent prayer thoughts for the victims over at the sandy hook elementary school in connecticut thank you very much we have citizens input but i'd like to start off we have a citation for suitable who is our animal control officer to recognize her for some outstanding achievements so soon you want to come up animal control officer of the year in massachusetts this award was a stablish to honor a professional whose efforts throughout the year have promoted responsible pet ownership and the award was presented to sue by the massachusetts citee for the prevention of cruelty to animals and the annual animal rescue league of boston as animal control officer for the town of foxborough sue has worked to increase the dog licensing rate she has set up a shelter for family pets to be housed during weather emergencies she has hosted a large animal rescue class and has organized an event to educate the community about coyotes she also works on a volunteer basis for guiding eyes for the blind where she raises labrador retriever puppies who go on to become guide dogs the board of selectmen is proud to acknowledge the efforts of suitable on behalf of pet owners and the animal population in the town of foxborough and recognize her achievement and being honored by the commonwealth of massachusetts as animal control officer of the year given this eighteenth day of december two thousand and twelve thank you so ok and we always open it up with a citizens input so i just asked if you could just introduce yourself if you have something to bring to our attention if you could just use a microphone me this opportunity before i started to remember the people in connecticut this began as a public thank you note to the bulletin passed a bill for the going to bring to the issues involving bill sheehan my intention was to submit a letter to the in editor anonymously what evolved if the sixty's of trying brings me here tonight on september twenty seventh i received an email with a link to one of the local take this story about mr sheehan my reply was close to i hope they throw away the key there is day december sixth i wrote another article regarding the board vowing to find the answers i thought finally a positive article i was so impressed that i sat down the next morning i wrote the following note again please remember this was intended to be submitted anonymously which i soon found out the press could not do therefore i am here in person they had no intention of releasing my identity they asked people to please respect the privacy of my family and friends they are hearing this for the first time as well the letter stated i am writing in regard to your article board action for the the survivors of bill sheehan i am a survivor of his acts and at this time would like you to respect my request to remain anonymous this is the first time that i've actually had hope that something would be done in regards to this case have spoken to the d a s office state police they referred counsel and leo in charge i told each of them my story over the phone i was told sheen's being ill meant he wouldn't be charged  yes to please be updated i haven't heard from anyone i was told there was no need to come in and file a statement report my summary of every conversation with thanks for letting us know you are number x so are you had to go through this it feels the same a steady five years ago people knew then we had been told that in at least two articles adults students those involved in the school system little boy scouts toes the camp child those at the  park ready was investigated but defamation of character was more important at the time they also read a story earlier that had a line we all knew he was a perv we just stayed away from him the fact is we all didn't we all were not as fortunate that statement to me was offensive to me i remember seeing the big kids getting one on one time with the teacher of the scope master of the boss at the park and i desperately wanted to be a big kid so i could be one of them i did i became a scope got a job at the pac and received the citizenship award in junior high i never understood why and i always felt she an influence to the twinkle in his eye after plaque made me sick the same now beginning to learn they have spent a long time burying this and frankly i'm not happy it is a risen again i refused to go into the details i will only say that for weeks now i have been hit with guilt the memories of not knowing how to tell an adult the feeling of done something wrong and assuming but not knowing if there are any more victims because i didn't tell they can be told it's not my fault you were young yada yada but it doesn't change the fact that it happened and it is in my past apparently i have issues and now an explanation of why i don't trust a soul can't experience intimacy and why i keep my family and friends at arm's length fantastic now what you are correct we all have problems thank you mr sullivan and mr developes for your actions i finally feel as though someone has hurt us  appreciate and applaud your efforts testability may or may not contact to in any case thank you as well and best of luck to the group signed and on a miss or no diva like this in closing i would like to thank the board on what they have done in this matter because one of the victims i'm here with this issue is the really investigated my feeling is thirty five years ago this issue was buried i'd like to see the facts come to light so this won't happen in this town again thank you david david you have a second decision i don't want you to just if you can just sit for a second just so you're not saying and leaving first i want to thank you i know you came from a very far distance to come here tonight and just to emphasize he did try to go anonymous with this in a certain roadblocks because you can't put anonymous in the paper in the gander stand that now we just got finished with an executive session in what the issue was a criminal matter and i was specifically talking about this  obviously can't share the details but the sense from the board is nobody here is circling the wagons in trying to protect anybody or anything from the past and we're being proactive as is the police chief as is our local council as is the town manager very brave to come here tonight and i know i mean the first thing that i'd want to say is is i apologize and hope things come out in the open and you get the answers and you get the direction from whatever comes out of this  don't think anyone on this board was you know of the age at that time but certainly i think it's our responsibility now to reach back and try to figure out what the hell happened and so it doesn't happen again in make it so don't feel comfortable and don't walk away thinking that you're not going to get any of those answers so i know you from a little distance away but if there's any assurance that we're on top of this as much as we can and we're pushing it much as we can i just didn't want you to say something and then disappear and have that not it home i guess so thank you for coming and i pray do appreciate in any other victims or people at that time feel comfortable to come to police chief o'leary  just a couple quick notes under the chairman's update i just wanted to reach out and thank the people that not only attended town meeting but the people at work to put it together that being the town clerk's office in town hall and  not specifically related to this town meeting but there's been a correspondence with tom moderator frank's plane larry is going to reach out to you i think we talked about this a while ago maybe somebody from the planning board to sit with frank in his office and talk about things that power board in your board in the playing board in the zoning out of those can do better as simple as making prints who's going to make who's going to replace the toner and buy the paper things like that but also who brings the town of war daughter calls forward in what order there and all these little things that mankind chipping away over the last couple years people had questions so we'll find some time to do that in the next couple weeks i want to say that because there isn't an agenda right and tonight on moving the time meeting but other than that there are some things that we need to talk about so i wanted to just give a quick shout out to the j c really volunteers that decorated the common for the holidays this year  carolyn on the common on thursday the twentieth if anyone's around it's nice to bring the families and participate a couple of the quick update agendas that are upcoming been working on a couple things one that the selectmen have asked for kind of an update on the asset review committee which properties the town has and what positions there are being sold and who's looking at that so i think in the next meeting you're going to give us an update on that in the following meeting something else we've been kicking around is taking a hard look at the town manager's act and the duties and responsibilities of the town manager with respect to the different department heads and with respect t jurisdiction over what has been kicking around for a while now that we've run these strong time images act now that there is a strong time manager and using it we want to kind of sit back and see how it's working you know if we've got to make changes or if a status quo is fine but that's been kicking around for a while so that's going to be on the following agenda towards the end of january that's what i haven't mark you want to say a couple things i just want to let the board know i think it's  pretty much public knowledge if you fall in the papers that is what my family and i had to go through with you know citizen being a little threatening to us and having to be manager and his staff extremely appreciated and the public safety personnel chief olivia's his people really really work todd and there's not just me to protect this whole town outstanding group public safety people  minutes behind but scott williams here from the renaissance so you'll be the new new manager correct on the system general manager i've been at the hotel since openings usual go around and ask questions but you want to spend a minute just in introducing yourself and in your role i've been in the hospitality industry for going on thirteen years now currently living in rhode island i've been like i just said with the hotel sense march of two thousand and nine prior to our opening i'm there an average of sixty hours a never been on a liquor license before so this will be my first one for that and i think that's the reason you're here in front of us addresses where the licensing issue and the floridian on the alcohol sort and the questions from the board three additional individuals that one of them is always there until closing time and then they're back in the morning at five thirty so ok so what would be repetitive it's another change of manager if you want to give a quick introduction sure when it's joseph norman i look at one ninety three chocolate road in oxford massachusetts i've been in the theatre industry for twenty seven years and i've been with national museums for ten years and i'm currently the general manager of showcase by lorraine any further discussion comments all those in favor motion carries five  chapter one forty section one eighty one and section one hundred three and in chapter one thirty six section four town of foxborough revised bylaws article five section six and also stadium rules and regulations will conduct a public hearing on tuesday december eighteenth two thousand and twelve beginning at seven twenty p m in the andrew jr meeting room forty south street to review the application submitted by m p s l l c for the kenny chesney concert this event is proposed for gillette stadium application for this event is on file at the office of selectmen all interested parties are welcome to attend you know this particular hearing i did speak to council our town council and a representative from the  stadium and they had asked us if we could continue this until the next meeting and they work out some details with chairman question for the board of voice at the date because this our town council and representatives from the craft organization the joint stadium and they had asked us to continue this as well to the next available meeting we hold this zero eight well i'd suggest you consider seven thirty because you know if the other one either gets ends up in a matter or it ends up being drawn what ends up being ten you'd want to be sitting here for fifty five minutes so if you go seven thirty we can probably put some business on the agenda because over the last at least two years that i that i know of people have asked the potential or the possibilities of having a town meeting other than an evening during the week mostly because they start at seven seven thirty sometimes you get out to midnight some of the population the senior specifically have a hard time staying out that late driving in the maybe some other stuff so we've discussed amongst us you know is it worth looking at having it on a morning of a saturday and i think that's the only day that we talked about saturday morning with the understanding that brings up other issues that other people that might not be able to make it on a saturday so i know that there are it's not just a decision we can make it's going to go to it's going to affect our town bylaws so we'd have to go to a town wide vote but it seems to me sense of the town moderator you see it from a different perspective so i thought it would be nice to have this discussion and at the end of the discussion if we think it warrants going further maybe we put together two three person committee to kind of look at the pros and cons and then come back to us but i would do kind of want to hear your perspective of that item cs brought up with that hijacker and i think mentioned it was this is going back yeah yeah a couple times and yeah yeah well if you change it to a saturday you're going to have certain individuals who can't make it on on a saturday weekend vigil for the family it was a couple because that we can is there their free time so no matter when you have it you're going to have some kind of base that can time meeting starts the first monday in may with the election and continues with the warrant the second monday and so if you change out to the saturday after the first monday the schools could everything so you know i would be hard to work around when they're having events there also then you're talking about you know scheduling it also with all the workers that this big vote you know a lot of people want to come out you know it would be a long discussion i want to make it open to everyone to get their input got the date out there as early as also my father once told me talk some more about us on saturdays if you give people more time to discuss the one that will fill that time when you're talking or you know you could divide it up some but i would recommend you keep it to a small group if you want to do it i'm not recommending it but if you want to do it you know if i was a point to any or all of that's good input and one from the board strong feelings i want to discuss their thoughts are their experiences with other towns they only know this town i only know that you know several you know i'm not saying this hurts them but several senior citizens of mint you know why can't we have an i visit and then you know and i understand the reasonings that you've given but i think that you know because i know this midnight on a on a tuesday or something and i just think that it's kind of what the investigation and i'm not you know i'm i'm not alienating and betty that's not what i would you know but i just i'm gone by you know what people have said and and some you know couples have said sure they would do a saturday morning or something you know before i was so  drink i think this is a tough one because you know it sounds like the general practice is to have it in the evenings and not on the weekends because of those reasons of you know perhaps larger numbers of people would be impacted having it on a saturday morning as opposed to on the evenings our senior population and i wonder if you know if we decide that we do want to group to look at it to make sure that we represent that piece of it to see is this really a transportation issue that we can address with transportation as opposed to changing the day of the week that we have a meeting on it's just a thought for  i respect frank's opinion blogs opinion everybody's tab a committee and have to find he's brought forward would satisfy the people that have asked a question it's not a big long the town meeting says yeah let's look at it have them bring it back you know then that i want to welcome can be written as to how i would recommend not having any selectman on it you know playing board schools to see how it affects them you know i think kevin should be an non voting you know member and you know give him a recommend other people too but i think the first if you really want to get this is lever and say yes or no wouldn't i want that information of the pros and cons and costs and and and all that stuff answered before i vote on it maybe maybe not you know something you know what i hear is th  it wasn't so much setting it up because they want long i think they wanted to move it to a saturday because the way the society is going nobody was showing up and they had meetings that they couldn't get a quorum in back to back meetings so they try to make it fun and they try to head on a saturday and even talking to bill greta where he spent some time down in nantucket so they have you know hotdogs and things like that at a break and then they go back in and reconvene just because it was so hard to get people to and i'm happy the way with the way it is right now and even though i've gotten a few calls and i've heard you know that at this meeting someone had brought it up i'm not sure if it's broken enough to fix  it that it needs fixing and i just haven't heard the outcry other than a few people but i thought it would be a good discussion if everything was just on events but i'd support the hot don't change yeah if if we had if we did have a committee when a fine when the committee's recommendations finally becomes comes before the next town meeting and whether to vote for the timing to vote whether to accept the committee's decision or not can it be encouraged that the committee actually make a really thorough presentation of their findings pros and cons so that the town meeting members would be educated by the time they make their vote can it be stressed if a committee is going to be formed i mean i don't want this committee go yeah we think it's a good idea and then sit down i would like to have the committee say yes we think it's a good idea because and go into detail listing the pros and cons what they discussed so i don't want just a quick yes or no i want i want the town that i mean i would it to me when you start forming around with bylaws and how the town is run i think people need to really be educated on these on these things than in the great f it should be made because you're changing meetings appointed committees the basics you want to address and you're a member what you're what the tommy is considering if it wants to have a study done on a topic not whether it wants to do it or not it's all the typical parameters  then in the charge exactly what it is you want the committee to do so that it doesn't sort of make up what it's going to do it does what you want and then tom meeting with or article drafted this to your satisfaction and french presumably this or not so they're not making a decision they're just saying do we want to one of these you can put in the charges the form of the report you know will it be a report back on iraq war and reports of committees specific proposal really up to you to decide what it is you want this thing to accomplish but i can draft something i mean if if you decide you want to do this i can drive something up in plenty of time for you to consider if you like for that but that's only if you decided you know if you do in fact  know the first article that you're really voting on so you know i'd recommend you know and i'm sure that the members of that committee would want to keep it as focused as possible and not get off on  cumulative exactly exactly ok that makes sense to me if you guys want to sit on it for a meeting or two and see what he back and then we can come back and it's as simple  i think it's a question of you can't please all the people all the time the reason why we have a seven thirty meeting is because we're trying to be considerate of people that have to go to work want to get home want to have time to change and have a quick bite to eat because sometimes it is a long meeting so you're not going you know you're going to have either the younger crowd that's going to come out that's working or the seniors you know it's it's going to be doing this so we've had complaints about you know if we have a too  early with these meetings people don't have to time to come out either so you know it's it's a hard call on these things it's not easy so i have a question because i'm the one who's going to have to start putting things together right now notifying departments you know getting bids out so this first meeting with town meeting would be only to form a committee right we decided to do that to decide to vote on deciding whether or not to form a committee that would be the first structure so the next year it would be on the warrant next year the report of the committee so that's one year and it would be implemented the second year so we're talking two years out  still say you know let's put a war article on you to say you know it's always you know you know you can put a war article if you want or your number rather but ok so it sounds like with this discussion those questions are out there will be in the paper and if people have strong objections or or comments or criticisms let's hear for a meeting or two and then we'll put it back on it it says see if it has any legs  answer you want to come up to the table we'll all come up but we're not posted as a viewer is going to ask you that yeah he was going to be very quiet ok we don't have anything in our packet and but i know you guys have been working with kevin and together to come up with a plan to address the sewer volumes incapacities and going over to mansfield issue do you want to wait for kevin or do you guys want to know want to be exact funding of it it is in hasn't been presented to us to a point where we can speak publicly to it but we are in the works and plan to spend the next two months finaliz kevin we just started talking about the plan and i know it's not public enough to bring all the details but is there enough to generally describe what the process is to be where things are coming from and all general feeling of moving something forward short the basic components of the finest plan involve pre sale of a certain amount of storage which is sufficient  generate income which means the debts when we clear a bill on one thing that's great great confusion in the town does not need to come up with a three point five or three point seven four million whatever the cost of the time of participation in the original plan you don't need to come up with time we only need to come up with a debt service that's required on all of that number bond over twenty years old on the financial dilemma for the time on is to fund the five years while the plan is being designed and constructed once the plan is actually constructed and we have this arrange all the commissions do this all the syringe that generates the revenue which pays the debt service for the next fifteen years so it's the five years when we don't have the availability of the sewage at the plant is going to the process that that is the problem so what we've done is we've created a fine as a plan which has multiple layers for multiple ways to fund that five years of debt service is not a gigantic number because the first is just to give you for instance might be as little as eighty or ninety thousand because that's our share of the design feature for the engineers design the plan you're too likely to be the permitting year because you get a whole year of going to the state and doing permitting again that's a very low cost  use three four and five your funding incrementally a piece of the construction each year with short term debt and you only pay interest on that short term debt there's no principal so again the cost is actually pretty low we're talking a five year cost probably a little over a million million and a half not three point five or four million that's kind of a misnomer wanted to clear up so without in mind the funnies plan that we've constructed which we've given to the commissioners on multiple occasions and change it in all that it many many times and it's notable words to their satisfaction features pre sale of sewage  which is currently available we have a certain amount currently available on the assumption of some revenue from billboards or advertising on the reuse tank and we're not necessarily assuming you know which it will be or what component will be but we've made a very modest assumption of some revenue or revenue increase because of the housing and i'm sorry it rate increase because there hasn't been a rate increase in quite a available fund balance is the difference between when you settle all the books up the enterprise fund is separate from the general fund as you know this is in the full enterprise fund water and so are only collect all the revenue through from the ratepayers post tying charges hold up fees etc and then we pay all the obligations there's a balance and that's fun downs and it's got a pretty healthy balance right now around two hundred eighty dollars and it's projected to get a little bigger so another option is actually to be able to fund those first five years through taking the fund balance and recycling it the dition of that were owed we have some funds right now that were in dispute in the water  lengthy spreadsheet which we have constructed by consulting engineer and contributed to by quite a number of people because we put together this multi layered finance plan so that if the commissioners didn't like this aspect we had another way to get to the same conclusion if they didn't like this aspect we had a backup plan over here and the sum and substance of it is that by working with the commissioners on the way they want to see it constructed we've now put together the assumptions that are sufficient to come plan so what we can say with certainty is that we have sufficient resources financially to pay the obligation required to join the district the the second piece of information was when do our partners require themselves in oss to make a decision and answer that question initially it was going to be november december however mansfield failed to get a quorum for their town meeting which was the monday after thanksgiving and not was fortunate for us because we couldn't have our finance plan developed it got point was still we're working on it but we've got it pretty much done now so the new target date is  february we've asked the question could we go into late march i'm sorry into early march and you know from our partners we're sure it was not but that's kind of a time when we need to determine who is actually in this right now is full of potential communities mansfield norton foxborough and easton and we need commitments from everybody because right after that vote the engineers have to start the design process which is how many gallons are they designing the thing for so that they can in turn tell us exactly what our financial obligation is so everybody can get the authorization for the bonds to do it and that's what's driving the requests for the march town meeting we had hoped you know we could put it off till later because it's a tough year but what we're being told is that our partners we're all holding ourselves to the discipline of that time frame the presumption being on or about july one two thousand and thirteen at on last will sign and a miserable agreement it will constitute the district it will become a corporate entity and it will begin the actual process of constructing designing and constructing the original plan the board we are scheduled to give the board a full detailed briefing on the finance plan at the first available meeting in january not one really struggling without because meeting on the  appears to be tied up with what will likely be a very lengthy likker hearing on the fifteenth you have now designated for licensing issues possible depending upon how extensive those who might be able do the briefing  all way from california to make the presentation because it's a sufficiently complicated that we felt we needed that level of data so what we're trying to do right now is trying to figure out tonight successively we could brief the board one night and they are going the we get so that we keep the guy here all night no flight so this meeting is more you're updating us the the wheels are going the march fourth is tentatively set based on a bunch of meetings that have to have yes but we're not voting for them to open up the march fourth as as a date right now you know you're going to be are being asked to actually vote the march fourth date because for all of this to happen sequentially and get it done in time to inform our partners there isn't time for you to wait till january eighth so that is that's why i asked if the board had any questions and i think we need to ask the questions and if you're not prepared to answer that and i fully understand it but and for us to vote i think we have to have that discussion and i think that's why i was going in that direction so and my three other of the winds are my things that can be held the only other or nautical that were carrying right now that i would say would be fairly urgent because we want to keep this this war a clean bill in deference to the add on who is already going to be burdened with a huge amount of work so we don't want to put a lot of one articles on this but the one you might want to consider is the design feat to consider the post office as an alternative to own home you know that gives you a three month head start versus wade into the annual and waiting three more months so it's kind of your judgment call but that's the only other article i can  that's the estimated cost about fifty thousand for that other than that i don't think there's anything in the file right now that i'm describing as urgent that really is meritorious enough to need to go on that there might be a contractor to latest we could go so it would really be that one i don't think there was any particular it was just the sort of the better but still a different just thinking about you know at com in the timing where they're going to be meeting every night in january for the budget meetings i don't know if this would have to be a special meeting for them on a different night or just make them longer meetings but maybe even that one extra week would help khan have  preference larry thomas chairman of the ag i prefer the fourth get it over with because we have the annual coming right after that you know that's going to be big so we just need to get as discussing this i don't know if that works for frank  umbrella this is something that i mean started with the jay barrows and tom meetings ari supported going in this direction and we just keep getting hiccups along the way so on i was surprised that there was any nonsupport for going in that direction  o i agree with markets and anything we can do to help to kind of open the doors to whatever meeting if it starts tonight by saying the fourth is fine and i don't have any objection to that board was that we would try to do that if there was a special town meeting at the time we didn't know if there was going to be well but if there was a special time meeting in march because this is a time sensitive issue they're working with the developer and everything that we would we would do everything that we could to  been biting at the job for the information out of respect for the board everything's been going through you guys they want to make sure you guys are complete by and in working on it and then bring it back to us so we intentionally didn't put our hands and yet just to let you guys can know you guys been working question that's it says here that they indicated they are so a meeting with the town council will be set up in the near future i thought we were waiting to hear they wanted to do that that's correct we are awaiting word back from them the west had reached out to them to see if we could collectively move forward very whatever x y and z is and at the same time they were reaching out to us that said do we have interest now that the dust settled to move forward through  dick element of council so that's why i came back to the board and i said is it ok for the board if we are not to go into negotiations for to set to see what i mean through interest were in once we got an understanding i would bring that to the board and it would go to every other board needs to decide on whatever the issues are so that's what's in process right now  so question on the wording of it you know i guess i thought i was understanding that we were waiting to hear if they were interested to have that sit down meeting and that that would be the next meeting so i think we heard from them that they want to meet yes we have and i think we heard from them before i brought this to the table and that's why i brought it to the table so that we approve the minutes so i get more discussion of those in favor of motion carries five zero fourth meeting minutes was in favor which in kerry's five zero there is a donation of four hundred dollars from the american legion to the veterans gift fund appears to be an ongoing issue and a dispute but that is frankly not anything we want to be drawn into the middle but i conditions that we met are being followed shouldn't affect this as we know we feel the way we would know it was if we got a complaint from the patron but by this point in time all of the engagements that will booked or should be over when the schedule we have they are over so if any deposits were ordered were monitored i would guess we would be getting notice by now remember are only deposits that have been made as of that date for events that were on the list that was attached to your motion anything else out of that was a part of your condition ok and this be eleven a m opening right what times the game that's allow christine is to open at eleven a m on sunday december thirtieth second motion made second and further discussion on that request follows a favor motion carries five zero make a motion that will allow christine i think we always stipulate that even though the staying over for later an hour that doesn't change the serving time of like a class call one thirty drinks off the table quarter ok motion made in subdivision plan over by lot lame i guess the playing board has approved the taxes are paid through the end of december and the deed used to be on accepted by the end of the year so that there are no taxes are going to be owed is good for the conservation but and i remember a couple years ago you know palm once it was on the board he voted against it there was somebody else voting for it and it was a decent parcel but it took it off and it was no benefit it was going to stay open anyways you couldn't develop it but now it took it off the textbooks that i'm in complete agreement with with that point of view and i think that's why you know kevin has brought forward this is a topic for you know for further discussion as a policy recommendation that's being worked on i believe by the town flannery you know on this and i know kevin spoken about this at the meeting but this is one it's as is already been in process and as you know has gone through the process but i think for others i believe  t the expectation is that we'll have a full policy to address how we accept this so we don't wind up to picking up all the scraps you know in town and sitting back that present it as part of an open place open space planning development that you know apparently open space development a certain developments are developed and you know with with the intent that a certain amount of that the property so say with the entire development is then community community use and i guess the history of