we have a lot of changes and we're going to have the staff pass out the change and give to the audience all the changes we made along with what mr khushi had brought forward to incorporate and so all my plan is to give you this now recess the meeting till ten forty five give everybody a chance to agreed upon in fact on there was almost unanimous every time and also the agreement on the changes that mr pushy had brought forward in regards to the what you called changes to make sure th members i gave you the changes that mister worked on yesterday afternoon to fairly meet try to incorporate what we had agreed upon as well as the other issues had brought up that we wanted to make sure was in this resolution i will ask you now if you have any specific questions in this area as far as and i hope you guys all remember the changes but if you have any questions of apologize to this body but more so to the special committee members all of the members that you know we're going to ripping up this old proposed resolution but then my office done a better job in reviewing it at the committee level maybe wouldn't have taken up the starting so again i apologize for that process but on the other hand is a double edged sword if we did get involved they probably wouldn't make that  staff because they did do a yeoman's job trying to get things done and i think the committee for their work so i think everybody is it perfect no but i think we're we're we're at a point where we need to make good decisions but i want to make sure that all the bases are covered so and thirteen be transferred over or placed in the managing directors office that can happen ectors duties so it has to be clearly defined so that there's no question in anybody's mind three four five six seven i missed it eleven is extremely important who gets that is that taking you is mr khushi saying it's taken up by thirteen yeah public and well you know a lot of things need to be worked out i did those maybe my mind is not that we could deal at this point but it could become a problem down the road so we need to address it but because every time we look at it we see more things and we have more questions because of all the you know the big change that could occur here and it's my understanding and i maybe i'm wrong correct me that i understand if we push committee that this would then go to full council of course for you know voting on whether we put it on the ballot or not it seems to me that again we're against a time going to have a product that in my opinion is ready to to approve because there's still too much in the air and it's bothering me that we're trying so hard to find the holes and fix them and yet we're not we don't have the time to do it we don't have the time to do it and we keep hearing well this person has second thoughts the other one needs to look at it some more we didn't think about this i'm really uneasy about what i'm really  end we're going to have to pull whether we get this not a comedian or not when we win is that deadline well at this time is by far the best i can tell you i am looking at another all day meeting on july fifth it's it's ok to to put out there yes how are we going to communicate this to the people that would want to know exactly what we're putting out there and have time for them to look at it study it come testify and get this done i'm really concerned well the only thing i can see is that the next opportunity did they would have to testify would be at the to life fifteen maybe it's rate and i'm trying to see that but that's exactly what we're working under and everybody in the room knows i'm pushing as hard as i can and i'm getting scolded sometimes for pushing as hard as i can but i'm trying to give everybody an opportunity to share their  this ready to go oh do we move on to other issues it's your call this is not my decision it is your decision all of us will make this decision to get that's what this nine of us nine members are here for and ok and i hear you loud and clear message by so i don't know what else to do we've you know we worked late last night trying to you know trying to get us all together and i don't know what else to do i understand what you're trying to do and i appreciate it because you are in a very tough spot you the big bucks i've been told or i hope you don't spend the money on one thing not necessarily but for me i do not feel that we can do the right job in the time we have and if we can't do the right time job in the time we have it we're going to spend an awful lot of time and energy trying to do something and at the end have a product we can't support anyway because it's not you know it hasn't been really shared with the community they haven't had a chance to years trying to look at a simple ordinance and this is not a simple ordinance this is changing the way we do government and you know it's been really brought to the for the last couple days with the passing  of how all their government is and how it has worked all these years and we're making a major change and we're trying to push it through i'm not comfortable but i appreciate what you're doing now thank you  point is that it would have a chance to be ruler of it by the public the public will bow to what church to consider it and what's going to walt to be or to build it that is a real problem with me if we don't have each r s challenge is i it's been an endless process and it's been a very for me a very enlightening process working through all these different situations so thank you  floor as a committee i do think this special committee for really vetting it through but that's a different procedure it's in our hands now and if if we don't have the opportunity to really the questions and go through it and correct it and get a clean document or at least something that i feel is sufficient enough to pass muster i would be i think we might have a possibility of getting this through by next week or july fifth deadline but if it isn't possible and there is a possibility that we can't do it i would like the opportunity to bring up a ten five because i know that we recognize that there needs to be changes in the form of government so i would like to at least have the  opportunity to pass out ten five so it's in full council and whether you know this measure this charter amendment before us makes it out then we'll make that decision in full council on either one ten seven or ten sixteen but i would like to have that opportunity to have both at full council pass through a full full council instead of working on ten sixteen and ten he was dot com i if i'm correct and i am not is going to die but what i mean at this juncture i'm here with this document with this issue and we have maybe twelve thirty ok i appreciate the way you've conducted this and i think the concerns are somewhat valid but at the same time i think we have addressed the media or sections of the of the the resolution a lot of the following pages have relatively minor changes i think if we push through this we could end up with a document that that addresses the concerns of the of the committee and we would have a opportunity to vote on something that we then have for months to present to the public and have their input response it and ultimately it's up to them and i agree with mister mr carroll's initial statement the other day that you know the people should have the ability to decide on this our job is to push out a bill that that is clean and  but it is really it's our job to push something out so the people have the ability to make a decision on it i have a lot of confidence in them being able to decide whether it will come up with is good or not and so i'd like us to you know we we punted this to the special committee they've come back and i think we've done some good tweaks and i would hate to see  at this point because we're not we're not up to the challenge of making a few more adjustments to the to the bill so i would like to push forward with this review i think mr couch  should get credit for it from want to go through this page by page i think it's appropriate and i'd like to continue to do that any other comments yeah mr coach  so there may be a possibility i'm leaving tonight so yeah and that being said my brain is not all here at this moment so on this yes great  trying to count the number of meetings in the double digits of meetings we took eighteen months to revise the short term rental home bill sorry we took eighteen months to revise the short term in a home village isn't as important as our are our county's constitution which is the charter and we're being asked to  come up with something that is some pretty significant changes to our charter in what amounts to about seven hours and maybe another full day i want this in some form to go to the people at some time i think this council and potentially the next council can do the right job and get this on the next ballot i'm not i have no rush to get on this ballot the next ballot is fine with me that being said i have other alternatives if necessary but i'd like i said i  can't speak to them right now i'm trying to get back into focus here so  where we've asked the governance committee to come up with something and we selected our representatives from our district i know where my district representative stand she based on listening to our community and i've asked her to serve and i appreciate her participation but what we're also need to say out to the people ballot like no i just looking at all these changes that we've been doing there seems to be more time and i've said that earlier it is best for us to really  on this i would think we would want to present before them what is of the best interest of my we county citizen and then if supposedly gets on the ballot then we have two years to work on how we're going to implement it we have major issues to deal with today we have the m p o which brings in revenues we have to have which we have to continually lobby to bring  revenues we have homelessness we have community plans are need to be addressed how do you know how do we elect government representatives deal with the issues that our constituents bring before us and you know i was home last night attending various meetings and someone came up to me and go what you need to do support what may be another overthrow and you know and i says well it's entirely different you know  demolish the monarchy so that was accomplished and then so we're seeing you know change our county governments people listen we're going to put this on the ballot and you need to change our  separation of powers disappear i as your council member and my colleagues will have just one layer in my opinion we will just have one lair in making these decisions layer government so maybe to all school or what have you but i certainly appreciate the executive and then the legislative and also because this is such a major change feel that we have a we have a responsibility to vet it turley i appreciate the work the committee has done i take nothing away for their meetings i think it was within six months and then they bring it to us and we have a responsibility to dissect that whatever way we feel that the community can make the right choice and i do not want to be one that will say county governance complete over the item on the agenda where we can make decisions that can give more accountability of that we're looking for but you know i'm going to have to say we have some awesome directors who probably can be making more money in the private your life is full of serving and so you can understand and i can appreciate and sometimes we have to me and all of us will agree very tough decisions as times very unpopular decisions so for me i have to think of the message that came to me back home last night where sometimes you go in a coffee shop and sit down with the bottles here on maui and then they  deadline that was make this very difficult and i want everybody to understand that if i had three more months or not over two months i have no qualms but i've got to july fifteenth and so you know i'm hearing all these different messages we need more work we need the public involvement we need this you need it i'm getting to a point where i need to find out what all of you what do you want us to do because i know you can't make another day's meeting but will that be able to do everything and we've got ten i mean much that we need to work on and you want to especially work on certain ones and i believe some of those we very valid you have a couple that need to be worked on which cochran so i want to work on all of them and but we have a limited time and people are not feeling comfortable with the revised document people were feeling comfortable with their original document so which documents do i use also we worked on it last night mr coo she went through a whole gamut and you know i want to thank you too because he came back and showed us to some of the areas of all of our fault that co i fell into and they could not move on dealers so we try real hard to make sure that whatever the comedian missed and that's not your fault because you're limiting their time to that we caught and we would have it put in so that we would not have a challenge and legal challenge and that's our whole we want to clean product so i'm asking you members what do you again you know as you see here the more you sit here the more you feel like you have to share something because it's so difficult what we're trying to do here is very very difficult but let me tell you for me you know when all this began i promised that i would try very hard to keep an open mind and i would study and listen i would listen to the to the meetings that were held i would try to listen to you know whatever was going on i tried to read and pay attention to what was being shared but i tried to say let's keep an open mind and told myself you gotta keep an open mind but in my mind i had a different process in my mind and that process was and i too want to thank the committees that worked really hard on this i know it was very difficult for them and they too were rushed unfortunately i deal was that these reports would come back to us and that this committee would have the opportunity to have like a panel of the special committee climate we could ask them questions and we would have a panel of the cost of government commission and we could have the opportunity to ask them questions so that we could clear up the concerns that we had but that never happened because we got into no more time so we sit here trying to create a miracle and everybody is under the gun and i'm really concerned because i charter for much less than that but it's still a lot of years in a future and you know we've been operating this way for a very long time so my fear is that we rush into something and i don't think we need to rush into something because i don't think the world's going to fall apart in the next two years but what it would do is give the new consul the opportunity to take the reports and do what i think we should consul should do and that is to meet with the people and discuss everything and have time to educate the public and then to vote but i think to rush this is going to result again as i stated acting in haste and repenting in leisure i'm sorry i cannot go with this this out you know as much as i have total faith and confidence in the voting body of this community to make that decision i just want to make sure also that what they're voting on in this document that we have vetted and it's not going to you know create some whining and getting consequences and what have you hardship down the line and you know if this is something really huge as everyone has so far so i would definitely a lot feel better if we had that time but not to rush it just for the sake of you know the community wants to vote on this it's their it's their democratic right which is true but again i want to make sure that i am one hundred beyond one hundred percent confident that what we are putting in front of them is something of its to work some is going to improve what we see and address the concerns and issues that we're hearing on a daily basis about this government and you know those are my thoughts at this time so if we can do what everyone would like to see done in the pretty short amount of time stating with your deadlines great if not then i would like to give it that time that it's that it's needed so i guess we'll just see where we go from that chair and appreciate the time and energy we're all putting into this because it's a huge undertaking in a huge change and again and also chair what mr houston said i think in others mister five of the next nine proposals believe made my position very clear from the start i would just see in my experience your governing structure should be difficult to change needs to be able to need in a structure for you it would be oh we are fortunate we do it governance on a day to day basis germans so we have a different perspective a different experience than  citizens and residents that we represent because of our day to day interactions and depend on us to make some decisions and values in judgments based on that privilege of having that experience the operational exercise so for me chairman i believe that the structure is still strong enough that by tweaking it to address some of the concerns as in some of the other proposals that you have a in a competition that goes with this general community and i would hope that we would get to those areas of other considerations because i am more amenable to those considerations thank you  think i would like to continue the review i think that if you could just set a deadline at a time that this is exactly where we're going to stop discussing him and he should call for a photo or not and you can  y july fifth i'm a clock call for of but i think we owe it to the committee and all the manpower that's gone through it for us to continue to review it as far as we can my only concern is that i don't want to exhaust all the time that we don't get an opportunity to discuss the p i ten seven because there's a lot of provisions in that that proposal that could allow changes within our pages through it finish the review and then go from there to see if it's ready for some kind of action but if not then leave enough time to discuss tense after thank you  thank you i would do it oh mr guzman's remarks i understand the concerns but as i said earlier i think we're closer to having a clean document and some of the comments for and obviously there are some are strong feelings on both sides of this issue but i would like to honor the the work that we asked the committee to do by taking the necessary time to get this and if people are not comfortable with it by the time we're done with the review then so be it and we take a vote and we move on so i you know i i would like to would be in all of this issue because we were on this impression and correctly to be sold at the fifteen we needed first meeting and then we needed to august fifth we can move that a little we can move that a little  and so i'm trying to add this point i want to try to finish the rest of the day which is twelve o'clock i'm not going along going in twelve because some people have to leave and i want to be fair to their this we will be for a final vote until all nine of you in the chamber all nine of you have to be mr emberg i'm not going to take a vote we don't have six members of seven members it will be all nine of you but we're going to try to work in clean up what we can so we can also we want to move on so we need to get this done so we know we can move on to the next issues so we all that being said everybody in this room i do not ever want to hear from that are based on advice from the department of personnel services and entities as requested by the accounts of this and other entities should others fine that's fine and duties or othe responsibilities fall with the director of finance consultation with the budget director and if it revolves regarding the short term investments and of course the investment community that the mayor has set up internally but it would be a key personalities finance director budget director understanding yes the investment committee does include the managing director as one of the participants with the budget director i believe you have the finance director for recall job descriptions intent is but since the baby will be running the show it will be more appropriate for that division to be under the office of management director that can be handled three budgetary if part of the consequences of this move in for it i am looking in at potentially creating four more civil service positions because they are going to be under department of management and less there's a change  equivalent position personnel then appointed budget there at th now back to exempt appointments or whatever contractual you know for me it's going to be kind of interesting that i'd be surprised we don't end up in some kind of legal action to have a judgment of f charter could it not be created via i guess internal policy or something to create you know de office under the engine director's office is that possible anything's possible ceremonial with events and so that's why it's always been on the mare instead of anybody else so all in all just tools so that you understand what how that was created and what the rationale behind of it and if we're going to lead america to do ceremonial as well that it may be well for suited to just stay here you have the control on the budget itself when the budget comes out and that's where you control it thank you still come on you know yeah i believe mere lingo was the one that wanted to change it from i believe it at that time it was civil service positions to appointed with additions yes and so i would say you know maybe we should look at the history why certain adjustments were made to the current status and if it still holds true to retain that disposition mr cherry but you know it's gone through any concerned too that they can't be appointed anymore there they're there and that would be one of the things that they either whether it's a managing director or a mayor would be a this is the way we want to lead our economic development and be able to bring in and out their people so i would have some concerns about it being under managing director because then they would have to be civil service is that correct m the budget veto powers is still under the mare so we're giving this document gives the marriage the authority to be joe the managing directors budget as well as whatever comes from council now so that that that one is a little bit crazy to me the mayor has nothing to do with budgeting where other than working together with the managing director obviously but if you've got a road  that says ok fine i don't like either one of them and i'm going to be doe line item veto or veto i know council can override but if it's a tight one i it just doesn't mix is inappropriate to have the managing director have that right when he's hired by the right to counsel so i think it is appropriate for the mayor to continue to have that authority and if the if the council is totally behind the budget they craft and they're going to be able to override the veto but you can do i don't want to see this eliminate the sense of checks and balances and i think we maintain that by having the mayor retain  the power to veto as one of those checks ok i the section eight dash three point three the prosecuting attorney basically being appointed by the managing director geared towards the end for me you know age twenty three number six near and dear to my heart it says community plans are part of the general plan which is true but you've taken out the language generated through citizen advisory councils and accepted by the planning commission council one mayor i think that needs to stay in because that could imply that other community plans can become part of the the general plan th any public scrutiny i was really alarmed by that being pulled out unless there's a good reason for that i don't know it's how we would have a memo would read all of that oh yes i think it needs to stay and community plan is generated through the citizens of riser councils and accepted by the planning commission council and their meaning that the mayor does accepted by not vetoing it oh yes and that brings up another good question if the american veto than the mayor has to also sign bills obviously from the council is that right i believe that's the left in the us but i think that's left in there yep we all we were focusing on the veto power but that means he also has to sign the bills or let it's going to come up so i think that whole section should stay in that whole phrase should stay in myself but i don't know why it was taken out that would be five item number four for example there shall be a student's advisory committee for each community plan area so i think it may have been taken out simply because it's to put it of the earlier part of that same section by the mayor with approval council may be removed for cause upon recommendation of such removal by the mayor or managing director and that the or managing director was added and the approval of two thirds of the entire membership of the council why is it being put in there when the managing director has no say is as far as appointing or approving all the sudden the manage the reactor which can remove or at least initiate a remo initiate removal of a board member by name maybe cause but i would think that caused by the media and or by the now you know we have something but i don't know i think it gives an additional level possibly a necessary option for the managing director if there is a particular problem in the marriage chooses not to act on it and has to be for cause anyway so i think they would have to show cause whether it was the mayor or the managing director and that's that's a tough party to achieve i would think mr khushi has some experience with this kind of thing when i think we've had a few cases in my tenure are we moving people because of lack of attending and some total lack of communication though there's been a few few times i've been on his council when they have come to us to remove someone so that as went through and started revising in re whatever's they got all upset and people are saying hey that's not what we chose or whatever so now this is kind and i guess in a sense saying it comes from the c pac and the planning may or are to accept it so does it say anything about with their revisions or changes or updates or however you want to word it so i'm just trying to figure out is this language going to address the situation we're trying to deal with right now or is it you know is there a way to address the situation we're dealing with right now with investor verbiage that we're looking at and i think what this managing director county governance is about is who gets the duties between managing director or not here we can't make but i would think legally we wouldn't be able to make changes to the charter that were significantly different from that this would be i would think significantly different we either leave the language as is or takes it take it out because it has the word marriage but i think it needs to go back signs all bills so i think even taking this language out might be out of the scope of this resolution  be coming up soon as we ramp in the general plan process i think there's a number of us i want to see celtic i would but that i'm not going to be around so i would rather somebody else is going to be around to bring you forward you know as far as that is concerned ok just that maybe it could be a brought before us as part of the discussion i hope we don't legislate ordinances via the charter and if the purpose of ordinances is to put the meets him bones on th our governance which is the child to make the charter so in detail what it comes in times and flexible to meet the needs of arc unique communities i would see if there's a do i see any other work on this i'm asking this document that's in front of you we've completed the review is there anything else that needs to be added is when we have anything else you want to add where you goin to address the emergency management i mean the civil defense issue because  you still come with the ok so what we had in the in the resolution the mayor of me be clear in emergency right you will declare the emergency right so what we were looking for is we looked under the revised sheet that statutes chapter one two seventy eight clearly states that what we wanted to put in is having the authority to call a state of emergency exercise emergency powers in the county provided by h r s chapter one two seven a and apply coble laws well that it came to my attention that what if chapter one two seventy double to hawaii by statute it changed now what happens so then i came up with this that having the authority to call a state of emergency and exercise the emergency powers in the county as provided by law and that was the change that i wanted to add as far as the emergency declaration of the mail because the mayor then would be calling the state of emergency and exercising all eight am urgency power always calling whatever departments in whatever necessary staff that needs to be brought forward during the course of the emergency and i think the this is an emergency grade research having been in a couple of times yes in the emergency operations center to have the mayor who is required by  terrorist who now no longer has any dealing with the department heads or anything all down there all of a sudden be the one to manage the department heads i have more heartburn on that you've got somebody who's not heavily involved with their departments as the mayor is now who can say ok this we know where all this equipment is we're narrow where all that equipment is but to be that person to now direct all of those as required by h r s that's a little scary as well i mean yeah we need to get the managing director need to be and be in there but how can we do that over h r s you know this is there's a lot of numbers goes on down here and i understand and i've been there you know i've been inside it room doing emergency so i understand the coronation that goes on between police fire public works and other agencies that are a and so but i don't know how you are going to let the managing director do it then you have to change to each other s so i mean that was my means of trying to correct this problem again just one of point oh ok here we go right now this council yes cannot give direction to department heads or anybody in the that is duration now we have a third person the mayor the mare who is removed from department heads are we going to put a provision in there that says the mare can't give direction or if not because of the emergency powers thing then what's to prevent the mayor from saying you know i really think you should do this this and this where we can't do that know they they have all their identity and as the managing directors call as far as having direction over the various departments and directors  as you say state to the people who actually know the ins and outs of what's going on and so i mean they're not just going to willy nilly make a emergency call without consulting obviously people or b bracketed now it's a new number eight exercise of their powers and perform other duties as may be prescribed by the church or by law so that is calling this emergency proper emergency state of emergency see the third of managing directors night in here but probably should have a say so i just of course the mayor i would think would work in conjunction with that person so that isn't necessarily meeting you can't wait you've got to get that done this is one of those times when and where you see occur you better be ready to move and if the mirror is the one that's got to address it and declare it and then the managing director then  over and does all the work but then what happens if the mere want something different i'll feel something else should be done i don't yes mr white thank you how much if we say i have the authority to call  state of emergency and authorize the managing director to exercise emergency powers as provided by law shall have the authority to call a state of emergency and authorize the managing director to exercise emergency powers in the county as provided by law because the managing director is the one who's going to have to effectuate it and because he he runs the various departments but the mayor has the mayor will have the ability to call it and in doing so you can authorize the managing they marry me authorize the following powers pertaining to urge the management you move on to page five zero five subsection fourteen to get the marriage because an emergency and it seems like we're we're just about done with this document as far as i believe people still have some questions so what i'm going to say because it's almost twelve years twenty of twelve and i really  proposing and see where it is schools and i think it's appropriate for us to i think mr carroll had a very good point that that with changes it's appropriate for us to make the changes put them on appropriate to have to have this is not a recess meeting but i know i've posted meetings so that we can accept testimony on the on the on the item y white i'm sorry because i think it's it is something that i feel reasonably comfortable with the change that we've put through and we have a couple more that a little more clarity but i think we're because i do have the other items that i really would like to give everybody a shot at you know so i guess i'm yet to make it fair but i can to be fair if i spend my whole time with this and then come we have to get to the other one so i'm trying to which to get this done and i think between now and and the death we can take a look at what those timeframes might allow us to do but i think i think this don't don't shoot the messenger but you know if we're saying that we need to spend time looking at this and have another meeting i hate to say it but i think that if we're going to get community input bluford talking about testimony and i know what that does to our schedule but you know if we want public testimony in reaction as to the changes we've made that's our chance to get it so if we're going to do that and that's the price if not then we do it the media will after long discussions with various members knowing that we need to make a decision and my game i know there is so many more questions that need to be answered i want to be fair i'm on and the fact that the committee has worked really really hard and i want to on a dam by doing and getting our fault to move or not to move this forward we've done a lot of work we what i consider the corrections that were necessary you know was it to change what you did it was to make the changes so that it would conform with h r s's and other issues and i think we've and i don't think mr khushi and the legal department even our staff for working so hard in doing that so i would like to make my recommendation director show be appointed by the county county council tools function as the chief county's chief operating officer with the elected mayor retain with the powers to  intergovernmental relations approve or veto bills and nominee members of boards and commissions and all i mean that have been and approved by all  no i don't think it's necessary here because we're passing out to the council so ok i'm sorry mr i didn't hear you were you read the resolution but you your recommendation is to approve it or give you the first opportunity appreciate the openness with which you from conduct to i think we've we've made some very appropriate changes to the document the other initiative that's not before this body right now and my my concern is if this ten sixteen gets in the council and it doesn't pass out a council ten seven i still lingering in may not have him be heard so there's no changes whatsoever to that government so my vocal be yes on this and yes on ten seven if it gets heard so whichever one dies in the council lives on and gets appropriate change in our government so strategically that's why i'm going to vote yes on this one so there's an opportunity for both measures to be heard whichever one makes it out of the full council is the change that we live with so thank motion i believe and say when is the more appropriate adjustment to the structure of governance thank you thank you mister you know i don't have to repeat myself and so i vote no on your done it's unfortunate we have this time constraint but that was kind of our own doing we might have wanted to start earlier with the committee the committee a great work they have a good recommendation and i want to see that recommendation go but not with this you know we did a lot of good discussion but there's just more questions keep coming up so at this point i can't support it more work here and i'm in support of this actually you know and i think the special committee that we you know created to work on it did a lot a lot of work and brought the document that we have here today and then  you know mr cox definitely had a lot of questions so we took all the you know part of last meeting and then all the date of that through that so i think we did a lot of the tweaking so to speak to it from the work that thoroughly done through a special committee and it is unfortunate that perhaps preparation cons are really wasn't that you know involved at the time during the special committee work but you know mr bush explained that and apologize but he had his say here today and we implement and it has things into this document so for where it stands i am in support but also the ten seven and some of the other proposals i believe if this does not go through will help but just i think the issues that occur with it existing form of governance and looking forward to that discussion too so at this point i know this is a tall order and really flipping  head and in a lot of ways but i'm in support i would like to see a guy in the you know i am in the the part where we don't know unless we try and i don't think there's going to really be some what was submitted to us when it came and we've made the changes and we could see the changes are still serving it's not appropriate and one supports having the to where they had a chance to go with the or and see what they wanted to have on the bill that they have not had the chance so i could not support the joe thank you mr carroll and i do agree with what you say and then we've changed it but again many of these changes will affect you aided by looking at and with the comedian may not have had all the time to look at the various obstacles we h r s n the letter from the attorney general which stated that the growth we were going may be challengeable so we did all this work to make those possible changes so that we could get a bill so that people would be able to choose i agree so it's it's it's i think that we would work we did the last few days was not to take away what the committee gave to us it was really to enhance it and that was my point of view we were trying to make it better not to take away but to make it better they worked out and we wanted to make sure that it didn't get to the voters and then have a legal challenge after it was passed and we've had those experiences also and i can tell you right discouraging or disputing what you said it is a different bill absolutely but i believe appealed that like mr white said is more possible and much more adaptable to what we're trying to accomplish here so i feel good about what other h r s so what happens if this passes out and he tries doesn't change then where are we we haven't even discussed those ramifications and the one thing that hasn't been mentioned until i just thought about it this morning is county code needs to change there are one hundred ten places where the word marriage shows up some of them are you know merits of ours park yeah but there are  hundred ten different places in the county code where it says mer so that's county code that we haven't even looked at yet to see if we need to change that should this go through we should know what the ramifications are you know it's a balancing of power we have flat if you ask me except maybe during the emergency and even the veto power for the mayor i mean how is will he or she be fully into alone with or managing or the appointed managing director so we don't get it take away the politics it remains but i want to just say this again we have an executive and we have legislative branches how are we putting this all in place there is much work that needs to be done just in the short time that we've worked on it and kind of fair to the committee that put in all these time again it's how much time we will be putting into this to fully vet and present to to the public's we have an account here and real briefly i hope so and i'm hearing everyone's concerns and you know that's what we're about and i just don't want to lose sight that this whole talk is in reference to the question to be put on the ballot for this community to vote on and yes the nitty gritty is what we've been going through the last few days personally this is just me i'm comfortable with the what is in the and it's on each and every one of our parts to educate the community prior to the november ballot come out on what it is this question is pertaining to what they're going to be voting on and so that's how i feel and i want to focus that this is this is the democratic party this is to get the voice of the people and the community and our constituents that put us in the seats to make a decision on and that's five  up or down just as we all can sitting here but for me the bottom line is to put this question on the ballot for the community to vote on or not and then the finer details are what's sitting in front of us and that's our  go out and educate them about what that is and that's how they're going to make that decision and come november so chair that's my thoughts concluding and i'm ready to vote all right thank you for your talk at that point i know that there will be a change either way by passing what out and what not i don't know at this stage so i would rather see them both be there and voted on full council so at least i know for sure there will be a