motion before this court for relief i think an injunction and appeal in that we requested in the alternative that if the court did not believe that it was appropriate to continue that issue those issues in this appeal you can't it's mean is there any question that the national park service would have said consistent with their regulations in there and their position under the under the the act if they use it that's wrong obviously we're all interested in this setting one of the mr solomon mentioned some of the important public policy considerations to bear on these kinds of questions and one of them among others is not to have schooling back in and redoing the contracts if we can avoid it and the question here is is there something that they could have done that would have actually advance the ball and made it possible to get this resolved in advance of the bidding and award rather than now here we i'm not sure but the dermagraft as i take it investigators who they have which now are people they have and i soon they have covered this sort of thing so you would make a telephone call to the per appropriate office over there and they would open an investigation i all should ask for clarification before submitting its proposal we are taking a wait and see approach to see if it was awarded the contract is contrary to the walk and there are many cases that were cited or if that support that from the party since we may have to write an opinion in this case writing an opinion with a third of all the material in the briefs marked confidential and you to put just in the position of being accused of having revealed confidential meant matters or  makes it very difficult to write around the confidentiality provision something addition to the difficulty reading the briefs there's the difficulty of writing anything i guess this comes correct me if i'm wrong from the practice in  protest cases of of rendering large amounts of material confidential mr carry over because those protective orders exist and continue unless changed i take it but we would welcome and in fact i would ask the parties to get together and submit to us any material that's now marked confidential which you continue to believe ought to be protected and please let us know within ten days within ten days if you could if there's any of the material now marked confidential in the briefs that you wish us to continue to respect and please be very  then we can assist effectively render the public if we end up with some significant amount but much less than we now have we may find it for our own records is most helpful to have  something new but i do that let's see how things this why don't we ask the three of you to get together either now after argument or at some time convenient too given your travel schedule and try to see number one if you can work out a reduction to a bare minimum of what needs to be protected and to if it isn't unduly burdensome to submit new briefs in accordance with what you're able to  way i say ten days plus a week let's say twenty one days if you could get back to us a letter to the court indicating what you've a been able to agree upon and  says well we may have to revisit this after twenty one days but i do see a very clever people and see if you can put your minds together and come up with something you understand our problem and i think we understand your problem and i think we can probably make substantial progress without making it too burdensome for your client so we'll see what you come up with and we'll go from there thank you now with that and it said mr dunn i'm sorry  number of boat trips and i take it if it's the case it's not that that in order to get ten boatloads of people over have as a pilot and bring them back you need to run more than ten round trips a pup's quite when you used in your budget figures to use the number ten that seems to correlate with three hundred persons per boat load and a total of three thousand people for example in the month of january it sounded like your ten was a reference to the actual full boat loads as opposed to the number of times that boats might have to go back in to for example  somebody would you wouldn't be taking people back to alcatraz after two fifteen in the afternoon because that was not the last trip but you still had to go back and pick up a couple of boat loads of people who had who had a right to fifteen right there so  buy in your budgeting may you might not be able to answer this but to the extent that you can with your budgeting budgeting according to the number of full boat loads of people and just simply saying well the rest of it is just sort of overhead the number of times you have to