the united states court of appeals for the ninth circuit is now in fashion about commission right to carol is knowing in childhood and equivocal so in i apologize in advance if you already know everything i'm about to say but i just want to make sure that there's a record out there and i will proceed on that basis i want to make sure you understand you have a right to counsel in this appeal if you cannot afford to retain cancel you're entitled to have counsel appointed to represent you at government expense the court discretion to allow you to represent yourself if your request is knowing intelligent and in and unequivocal and not intended to delay the proceedings in determining whether the court will allow you to represent yourself the court will case and inquired whether granting soft representation would undo the burden the court or undermine the integrity of the outcome so those that inquiries that are already in my mind you understand that the court does not however at the appellate level authorize the plumbing of advisory or standby counsel so you can represent yourself and simultaneously have counsel appointed to assist you in a limited basis you understand researcher and camera reporter for a program called stretch the verse and that in that case that you mentioned where you wrote three seven percent of the argument you have been to have the you expecting to get well or are there paralegal she will have access to a kind of a consortium of international attorneys that are willing to come out and a of prison by the prison officials and get involved if you were to find that the if the court were to grant you leave her present yourself and you were to find that your actions to the courts were being improperly obstructed you know i believe that the remedy would have to be a fun action in the district court on that basis and you could ask us and you can seek relief in the court of appeals as well all right so now i'm going to go through the dangers and disadvantage ascend again this is all very familiar to you oh i'm sorry i just want to make sure we have a record then you understand right so first an appeal is different from a trial the proceedings occur belief to the grease the written submissions those briefs have to comply with specific court rules although some leeway is given for living it's who appear pro se if you understand your organization have all of those trash apps you have to identify the potential legal errors committed at trial the issues on appeal are limited to addressing where occurred trial and the court of appeals does not knowledge and leduc ability if you fail to identify additional you may be barred from ever raising that issue again you understand that yes you're also required to support any assertion legal authority that means you must be able to research it understand visions of the constitution federal statutes and rules and the cases from the relevant courts and discuss that area of the law this task were requires  legal research techniques to stand there yes there are also strategic determinations that come into play in the appeal i just mention that if you fail to raise an important issue could be barred from using again that is that you may have a slew of patients many who have identified a large number of issues but it takes judgment and experience to know how many issues you can use you should it's difficult to understand the analytic analytic proponents of many areas of the law that even if you grasp those areas it's it can be difficult to convey that understanding write persuasively in a sense to speak the language that the court understands and response to is something that those lawyers spend years honing their skills at and if you represent yourself you will do that ccess to legal materials lay not be as expensive and free as a lawyer will have you may not you my rate may or may not have some assistance in the facility that you hear and if you're working with  others there is no guarantee that you'll continue to have that assistance available to you it will be more difficult for you to communicate with the core be incarcerated and it will be for a lawyer who has much for your access or those are yourself and you're not a lawyer in that in their earlier case yes that's that's quite unusual the oral argument as you may recall was an opportunity for the judges to understand the arguments it's also an for that appeal to the state where the issue is that you need to raise that for which the appeal has to be state are you now telling me that you are prepared to move forward with the appeal and you no longer and more enduring about what i can put in a report recommendation concerning your ability to inform your brief to didn't prepare and then did report a recommendation and evaluate what you said here today and submit that to a panel of judges and they will decide