present problems for our neighborhood increase traffic i know hawkeye in from the new more noise and from cars and delivery trucks and more trash my biggest concern is  increased flooding in the flood prone area because of additional concrete and asphalt this area already has mcdonnell's a center a second place on the walgreens plans to do will only add to the problem than help the flooding because the modern level is so close to the surface especially at high tide the cast band will always have water and if we have heavy rains it won't take much water to have the kathman overflow into the neighborhood we also have to remember the sea level is rising which will make the ground water level higher so digging a deep hole on that property will become a very big problem in the future so i hope that there's fire mentalists and the council will not only look at the problems we will have now but also future problems that building a walgreens can cause for our neighborhood and on item f one as we testified previously we find the proposed land use changes at this location at this proposed facility on acceptable the location is no where we can to the new m to repeatedly testify we remind you that this body as well as the department said no to prior request for change from residential to commercial for a lot immediately north of the just the other side of new who cry previously however if you are persuaded to accept it in spite of the casey in the immediate neighbors opposition we have distributed a list of thirteen required conditions which we asked you to consider to at least have a more reasonable and palatable business located here this list was created best on community based on community input much of it from the key head of residents in the neighborhood and the list was walford to  this similar testimony last month we perceive some displeasure from the commission similarly because we stated that locating post production at this location was unacceptable to be clear our testimony expresses the opinion for all volunteer unfunded not a non profit organization as part of an established process of closely the value winning all projects using our smart growth scorecard and import from our community then this is offered as part of the public testimony process why we would not spend our time testifying unless we believe one of the process of the commission making your decision not ours was to listen and evaluate what the community has to say because the community believes this is not the right location does not indicate we are telling commission what they must do is if we conceivably could we are expressing the k c s opinion morning of september eighth twenty fifth in the county council land use committee get a personal site inspection to the site on the subject property since it is the tool on each project most recent design or like to point out the council resolution fifteen gosh one twenty nine which is exhibit thirty one in the stuff report all along if you want is an exhibit a which is the and there are or there is exhibit two which is the exemption list for the project i would like to point out that you know that or so the collector roads be obligated to big rigs on their side of the street to about three quarter length up their frontage and then it stops the gulch there and then it would require lots of hill and a bridge there will be dedicating a pretty large proportion of a roadway lot to the county and they'll see that out in one of their graphic slides if there are any pushes for the fartm impact you have been to the my county council received a tool in each approval to provide more information about the land use process that we went through to the details of the project in a moment but at this time i'd like to introduce sh to introduce you to the pacific compan about who we are and what we do in our history of success in providing multifamily in affordable housing for families that need it we've been in business since one thousand nine hundred eighty eight we successfully completed over one hundred twenty five projects most of which are multifamily affordable housing we also work in their charter school business our most our assets are in the western united states in the mainland this is our first opportunity to do business here on m we have more than one hundred of those one hundred twenty five projects more than one hundred are workforce housing which includes developments that are specific for seniors and that comprises over seven thousand unit so we sort of pride ourselves and not only being able to develop and construct but also being a long term manager development so we're in it for the next ten to fifty five years in almost all of our cases we living anything here i'll just speak very quickly a little bit about this project you'll hear more about the details from jordan but this particular project that we're talking about today is one hundred eighty six units of which  hundred eighty four of them are affordable to individuals and families making sixty percent of the area median income and below so in the county amount that is roughly fifty thousand dollars for a family of four so these are the folks that will be getting safe and stable high quality housing in our own we're proposing substantial solar as well as a very energy efficient design to help with the long term operating costs for those families i guess in addition to that the products that you know roughly fifty to sixty million dollars from fifty five million dollars total development cost that's all and we are very much looking forward to working on maui with a local partner which is a nonprofit they are they have we have a longstanding relationship with them and we look forward to continuing our work with that profit quick just i just want to quickly go over to show you a quick photos of some of the existing assets that the pacific companies own very very brief this is that oak grove which is outside of sacramento again helping families that are sixty percent of the area meeting in from the below this is in northern california this is a lot of farmworker housing in this area of the country and then in jackson hole wyoming is a smaller development that we have this is about a twenty year old project development say that we not only have done a lot of farm work for housing in senior housing but we also have a substantial amount of units in what we would consider hard to develop areas places that have very high costs a lot of tourists seasonal or something like that like taco mammoth jackson all those areas that have extraordinary costs securely low income and need for the housing so that's all i'm going to say about us if you have any more questions i'd be happy to answer and i'll turn it back over to the door and to give a little more detail on that specific case of the development  casey design review committee in september twenty fifth two thousand and fourteen the urban design review board in october two thousand and fourteen the general membership in the five hundred foot neighbor meeting in november of two thousand and fourteen that included council member john coach we received a finding of no significant impact for our final environmental impact environmental assessment on march fifth of two thousand and fifteen in september of two thousand and fifteen we  heard first state visit with the county land use committee and then in september we had our meetings with the county land use committee and then we received our two with each approval in october some of the adjustments that happened to the project as a result of the public process were to increase the roadway frontage improvements so what was being discussed earlier by mr fasi is that the normal requirement for a project is to develop your entire front page of the of your project you have to build one half of the roadway and infrastructure improvements because this is the north south collect the road configuration is that on the market side it's sidewalks and on the makai side it's go be a bike lane because we are not building the makai side because that project that portion will be built by the county at a later date this project is providing an on grade michaeli in addition to the roadway so we're providing per bettered sidewalk on the mountain side t to our south entrance and then a bike lane on beyond that the project is open to providing fire emergency access to who that was brought up at at our site visit by some of the  neighbors and there was also a concern on parking so what the african is proposing to do is to install no parking signs in around the vicinity of the project in order to document the parking is not permitted off site or for at least a neighborhood roadways and then there was a concern about noise and sci fi and so as shell in rodriguez mentioned the property is going to be managed by v h e h has  the project site consists of two parcels eight acres in total there is also a roadway parcel that's going to be dedicated the county hall mentioned that  normally again you dedicate the frontage of your road right away the applicant happens to own a large segment of the north south collector road going beyond their property frontage the applicant is donating to the county for no compensation  i'll show you on some diagrams it's a significant distance it's approximately a total one acre as a result of the two when each process received approval for the development on the zoning designations property is in the state urban district its community plant business and multi family and zoned are one and one and it's within the special management area because of the two on each process you the council can provide the project with the ability to develop the multifamily project on a r one zone parcel is sixty three single family seventy two two bedroom earth's sorry sixty three one bedroom seventy two two bedroom and fifty one three bedroom the methods include swimming pool community building laundry office space fitness area computer room a c grills landscape walkways parking complies with county code we did not request any kind of exemption from parking requirements the two wanted to process their providing three hundred seventy eight required stalls as well as an additional six stalls one thing to note is that there are sixty three one bedroom units we feel that some of those will be occupied by one vehicle drivers not all of them but some of them and so that will add to   other landscape material around the buildings including the wife fern these are rendered perspective renderings of the interior of the project to give you some character of what the design is going to look like and we're hoping with showing you the photos of completed projects you can get the impression of the quality of development that the pacific companies completes area as i noted earlier stage your tunnel is here is our civil engineering consultant this is a brief diagram indicating basically grassland surface retention that's proposed for the project area  it fourteen thousand two hundred seventy three cubic feet of runoff water to be retained on site on the project this meets the standards of public works as far as retaining a hundred percent of the posting the increase in post development as discussed earlier the adjoining half of the north south collector road will be improved to the project south entrance including a likely to proximity four hundred eighty five linear feet these improvements are going to be configured  and then there's going to be a surface by plane in the philip raul is our traffic engineer he's here to discuss traffic in depth if needed suffice to say the project will generate one hundred three trips during the morning peak hour and a hundred twenty seven trips during the road are to be improved with the full signal ization based on other developments that are occurring or currently approved the intersection of kona when a leaky is going to be approved with a roundabout and have two minutes and forty five so i have to learn to walk faster if i don't get a senior discount aloha cherry commissionaires microsoft for the community association on this item c one  first pacific west consultants as blown up the stereotype of a main land developer descending on maui looking to reap fortunes at the expense of our island in fact some a poison to reexamine some local developers to see if they are up to see is there anyone left on the island who does not see the dire need for truly fordable housing and rentals even more so so it's the right time for nearly two hundred one hundred percent affordable units we do we do have some concerns about flooding and related infrastructure which we have addressed to p w z when we did our swan growth scorecard in twenty fourteen a community plan our understanding is there is unity with both the playing department and the county council on the permanent importance of this plan and the county government's responsibility to follow it each time a new project is proposed out now we will be being this one seemingly for the local community in the last when you examine two weeks ago which seemed just the opposite we look to the key a mechanic community plan particularly dep or should we distributed to you which state appointed option of this plan which the county legislature did almost two decades ago it shall be required that adequate facilities and infrastruct will be built concurrent with future development each time we ask why this is ignored we received no response we hope as part of your recommendation to the council on this project you can ask the same twenty can you tell me what your what you're pointing towards in your testimony as far as infrastructure not being concurrently built well there are so many centrally you know big business with a hotel but mike and this one right here on this one of the you know you make my general testimony are you saying there's not so difficult i heard about infrastructure so i'm just i'm confused here well our feeling is these the proven recommend that but that you would ask that question where is the place where why isn't this followed we still have two basic roads you know going north south  what four or five hundred more cars and if it's not their responsibility and my understanding with two or one age it's not the aura sponsibility but somebody has to look at this or we're just going to keep building building building heartfelt if sometimes misinformed testimony and quite frankly didn't treat this commission with the respect that it deserves but i was very pleased when i saw this commission basically distilled much of the comments that were made in very practical comments for the developer to go back and consider in there and i thank you sincerely for that valuable service that that you provided there i would like to speak in support of this affordable for housing rental project it's truly a rare occurrence here and now you have the opportunity as presented in this proposed development this company has a track record of bringing projects like this to permission and i hope they apply that experience in those resources to the south maui project where one hundred eighty four affordable rentals are sorely needed and i think it's most significant to point out when people talk about affordable that they are targeting the lowest level of income standards sometimes people bring forward  affordable project and they say this is four hundred twenty to one hundred sixty percent of of the median income well that's affordable to someone making one hundred thousand dollars a year but maybe not true to who really we're trying to help here and this one really is is addressing that i think that's great i think is very important to understand that projects like this what makes a project like this feasible it's not done strictly out of altruism of the developers it's not done strictly because they want to help people get housing and succeed it's money that makes these things go around and a project like this either makes financial sense or it does not and for a project like this to succeed it needs a variety of both private and public funding sources federally funded low income housing tax credits are the primary vehicle that bring viability to a project like this but you don't get considered for those those federally funded low income tax credits i emphasize that there's nowhere else in the united states where it's more difficult to get those things out of the way than here in hawaii so i asked this commission to take that into consideration when evaluating this project one way to kill the viability of this project would be to overburden it with conditions that might just make it financially unfeasible to successfully get these portable rentals built everyone the developer the planning department the planning commission the county council the state and federal agencies all have to be paddling together and i ask you to consider that today i've been following this project since it was first proposed and i've been impressed with the effort since desire to reach out and solicit input to help  improve their product they met with my group go maui and their mit neighbors and you saw a list of the others that they've met with i hope this commission can see fit to help and not hinder this project getting it  morning my name is gordon gillis and it's going to go back to one of the slides earlier that shows you where i live and it's in the bottom left hand corner of that slide on earth and  and when i first heard about this project i was very concerned about how this would impact me and my family two children a twelve year old boy and fourteen girl and they're now for about five years and i'm very happy there and i think i mentioned it first i was very skeptical about what this would do to you to our family how it affects our life and i just want to say that i i come out in support of this project because of the way i have been communicated with because of the way i have been handled this in neighbor i felt along the way  the civic west listened to my concerns as a neighbor and addressed them and so i i am here in support of the project and i thank them and acknowledge their good will  income guidelines so they change every here but based on two thousand and fifteen rents between the one and three bedrooms france are going to fall anywhere from two hundred seventy five dollars to nine hundred fifty dollars and as there are so you have the swimming pool  what happens is a nice types of developments that are guided by the loan from housing tax credit that we've heard about and other county and state sources of funds there's a whole slew of rules that goes into setting the pricing and the rents of these units but in general or proposing this particular project from our i know it's very it's very much needed i think it's something that needs to be expedited the one question that i have was on the testimony that was delivered r that commissioner gushy this for the developer i just want to say that i've experienced seeing a lot of public housing  facilities being built and i'm totally impressed with the architectural design of how this particular project he's been proposed plus i think the facilities there are being offered for i am hundred percent certain that when i do everything and i don't say that very often i will say that i am which bird narrowly bullish about the key a market when it comes to meeting affordable housing based on our experience with the are these are workers these are some people some seniors who may not have jobs and maybe haven't social security to families that are beginning their careers as teachers or kind of burdens or preschool teachers or daycare providers elating with sealing and in every room and in the event we save costs and construction in our initial bidding we maybe we will have the opportunity to answer air conditioning that sort of like an add on  you have a question for you you talked a little bit about the utility my concern is to keep those prices at the prices that you  swing you're dealing with this housing tax credits that we've heard so much about is they rely on a set rents for unit type or for income type and then based on the size of your unit based on the bedroom size of your unit through the county housing authority as they determine to tila the allowance which basically means kind of an average it's a little bit of an arbitrary number i think most would argue but it's sort of an average that if you own a two bedroom unit or if you're renting a two bedroom unit person per se you're going to spend roughly in this case in two thousand and fifteen two hundred dollars per month at a utility allowance so our rents say for a sixty percent units which which are our highest rents for a two bedroom unit art about a thousand dollars per month and then you take out the two hundred dollars utility allowance because they're going to get that credit to them them being the residence and then pay eight hundred thirty dollars so out of pocket their they've gotten a credit so if they only if they only see if they spend less and their utilities they've made money they spend more on their utilities they've lost money so it's sort of a incentive for an individual  the i look at things like swimming pools and things like that are very expensive for them especially returning to keep their fordable is that the best use of the you know property  one of the differences between an affordable development and a market rate development is that the costs that we incur up front do not translate to the rents that we get our rents we marry for lack of better terms at the ge want then we figure out our costs so the stay in the feds are holding us accountable to our rents regardless of what our costs so but that said adding a whole bunch of amenities doesn't it cannot affect whether or not we lower or raise the rent on the other hand i would argue similar to commissioner that these folks need alternatives more it's having more expensive  recreation not at the beach and somali bars but a pool is just another option it's a way for children and families to be at home and it's located centrally so there's kind of a lot of eyes on the development it adds sort of a community feel we feel our experience shows that run for so long and touch or a roof or can we possibly get the influx of retirement people from california come and move take all these affordable housing projects so i think i think legally you could apply to live in these units if you couldn't show your income i'm not sure that it matters where your income is from whether it's all california or wherever my argument would be folks in california would make more money and one wouldn't  fy would be overqualified meaning well i mean if you're also security you're on a fixed income i think in theory somebody could submit their so they're fixed income proof and possibly get on the  units i think in theory legally that's allowable i don't know how often that happens in practice because you do have to mean there's a lot of paperwork i just i just don't know i don't have experience well i guess we hope it's if there's a way to get a priority or you understand when i do i do and i think i guess maybe that i guess i can answer it from a legal perspective and i think maybe i'll answer from a more pragmatic or practical perspective which is our marketing pragmatic perspective i think that these units will be filled by mally residents there is a chance that somebody could come from elsewhere and move in but they i just we don't see that happening in our projects very often at all  very difficult decision for county council make as we are asking for more additional credits than in the code allows in the workforce housing work and allows i will say that it is extraordinarily important to  the economic feasibility of this development now that's a permanent source meaning we're not going to be able to get that equity in from other developers until completion and then probably over time after that but that is a critical component a question for dorothy looking at the construction of the buildings i notice that one maximum height is thirty eight feet four inches and my understanding is the provide basically exceptions to zoning restrictions and so that's how things like density or height are allowed to be adjusted and so basically because the councils the legislative body for the county they create zoning they're able to make these adjustments and the concept is that the county needs a portable housing and so the state provides this program so each of the counties can decide project or project whether or not to incentivize or or not for projects and so that was one of the well the base is the basic rationale is that in order to maximize the site to provide the most possible units they wanted to be able to go up a little bit and in addition to that you know they're providing nice roofs as opposed to just going flat roofs and staying under general contractor we will see that out primarily one hundred percent of the sites we have found that generally local subs especially and and why are going to be more affordable because they don't really need lodging right so so we are going to have incentives for local contractors in this in the ways that the federal or excuse me that the state funds  including some prevailing wage requirements on some levels we expect to be reaching out to the union and has to try to figure out how to how to get the bids out in the most contract to get out just to get  think that you know as we were discussing there is the goal of basically relying on some of those one bedrooms to provide more availability of stalls so it's not completely decided to this point but but  to cetera so and then of course the bike lane that we've added that is not a requirement on all on the road signs so you know i think our residents are they're certainly going to be a lot of cars here there's a lot of one bedroom unit that will likely have one individual possibly possibly two i suspect many of them will be one per family and we'll you know of course advertise for  example a single mom with two young children could be in a two bedroom children sharing a unit or they could be in a three bedroom depending on age and gender but they would do would be restricted restricted from the one bedroom with funding education what's your secret with the kind of project you're conducting that you can afford to contribute that amount of money specifically for education that that amount is the requirement   for example mention that it's coming earlier the pacific companies applied to the state for housing credits and i guess we did not get them because they were not in title so as you as a developer makes progress in bringing their project to fruition meaning going through the film and each project going to the planning commission approvals we will be more likely and very well well established to be the recipient of this project so it's just  what is the elevation of the project to the lonnie highway  single family during that time there was approximately sixty thousand cubic feet of storage in that base and a lot for this project we're looking at about an increase in runoff that causes about fifteen thousand  they're grossly over what they need to provide regarding the drainage way that the owner has retained the consultant that does fema study so part of the southern part of project is within the flood zone and consultant after we do the grading plans and so forth it's going to work with fema to actually get the property out of the flood zone and part of the county's requirement is going to be that we don't have negative was bigger than you're using or to clarify so that the the same land owner owner of the civic company's own the two parcels that we're talking about as well as a significant segment of the north south collector ro this moment i just want to reiterate for the commission perhaps the planning department or the commission could make a general request of the council but but for clarification in the land use approval process this as i may permit from the planning commission will be our last step i know you guys just took a few moments i might need a few minutes to set up the powerpoint go b and the scope of the implemented agriculture and then if you have any questions they can answer and the afghans are here as well it is the site plan of the subject property of the driveway that comes off the main road splits off and there is plenty of parking for the owner proprietors to the left in there and then goes towards the right where there is parking space where you can see the main dwelling and the secondary farm dwelling where the and then here we have some interior pictures this is the main living room area this is the kitchen another view of the living room and the bathroom and a couple pictures of the bedroom area for the to be small feet and then the next few photos the next section is going to be the agriculture this is the implemented verified farm plan the property has been nana's tropical flowers top you can see the area that that house is the actual beehives and then this picture here and there are some more slides of that is actually distilling the honey the final product here is mr nelson in front of the final end products they sell as haiku honey provide honey to the local community and they actually do this with their children and a lot of the flies were taken from a presentation that filed with the apartment no complaints or requests was there because within the county system and as of today's the new proposition protests received after the two notifications and this is the five hundred foot just a little information about the applicants again david included nelson lived on maui for over twenty five years mr nelson worked as an emergency room doctor at the hospital mrs nelson previously worked with in the visitor industry but is currently a stay at home with t children and as i mentioned before along with their children they provide honey to the local community as a money presentation to t comments on this and you can see this is this is a very worthy up occasionally i did assist the applicants in preparing their a reputation in a good business place and i was very impressed with their desire to do this which i want to make a point they have not started doing ok and with the agricultural efforts which the bees don't just provide a benefit on their property but provide a benefit to the surrounding areas by doing what the do and also what i've noticed evelyn pointed out the palm trees the palm trees that they're growing for cultivation they have bagged ok meaning making them easy to remove from the ground when the time to tell that tree so as opposed to that palm tree as you know in some of these applications that looks more like landscaping the palm trees that they are if they are growing are indeed for harvest and and and sale at some future  date i can think of no more worthy applicant to be granted their bed and breakfast permit and and as a bed breakfast owner i look forward to these folks applying what they do because i know the love and the care that they take in with their property they will to their tests and they'll be this item of the one acre parcel of land owned by honda ranch l l c that's dated the c p was initiated by the department due to the request being something that we feel the residents of mali particularly those came forward with a plan to construct an eighteen hole championship semi private gulf and the golf course was to include a two storey clubhouse approximately two hundred fifty by eighty feet in size it would include the ministry to offices approach shop full service bar restaurant snack shop kitchen community rooms locker facilities and golf cart storage areas along with the six acre driving range from hahn a ranch when they purchased the property and i believe they purchased it about two years ago the way they put it was the golf course was sort of like a dark cloud hanging over hanging over the ranch and then it's been there for twenty years believe it's called on the ranch provisions and the foundation of that rush john is serving food from on a ranch is certified organic farm and ranch so the ranch is completely committed to conclude about this project before the hon advisory committee and november second of last year they held a public hearing and not surprisingly they're very supportive of this project with that said  i guess there's always unintended consequences from what i see though it seems like the community is a lot more supportive of egg with this particular owner and you know you can never anticipate if they'll sell in five years or whatever it was with this particular owner they want to keep it as it is and so i think it's probably you know if you look at the risk it's probably very good i don't believe it in golf course and who knows you know the next owner may say ok let's build a know they're going to pull poles etc etc so i know that was brought up but specifically i i can't think of you know how we would address that when a landowner is basically just keeping everything would support their aid for the comments on paper the motion raise your hand see i was so  commission as far as commission what the commission does and what their work load is because there was some inaccuracy is on in the statement from the from staff planner and i don't know if it's true enough but that's what i and this is a picture of the property there's a large got gravel parking lot and this is normal k street going this way south key here road going this way it and on a portion of the one parcel of the property is a craft fair  that donal's is read here in the craft fair portion is up in this parcel on the site is another shot of the gravel parking lot with a craft fair here he community plan is designated for business so we heard a lot of concerns from the community we did we meet with the key a community association formally twice we did meet with other members of the key a community association several times after that what we heard and we also heard comments of the last time on the draft is that especially people that live on the whole k street are opposed to a driveway coming out of no hole k street so we're ok to illuminate the driveway and the whole kind of street and we also heard that they don't want no hoop high street widened so right now we're posing just keeping the ok street as it is and we are looking for direction from the commission and later from the council if we move that far about what type of improvements would like you know we would like to see an ok street or the community would like right now this site plan doesn't show any curbs gutters or sidewalks but if we would direct so directed would be we would happy to put those in but where we don't need a driveway here we can continue to enter exit here and there's a connection with mcdonald's here for greater circulation and you could go back to this previous one british i'm going to talk about designing quickly to previously it was rather boxy with a flat roof and  of straight parapets on the side and the new plan does include a slope kind of dicky style roof all the way around and we've also lowered the design significantly in response to concerns that we have heard we have one feature that was an entry feature on the previous design that was about thirty thirty eight feet high right now to hold the whole building has been brought down to about twenty six twenty five feet six inches and so that's where you see the roof going all the way around and it particularly you'll see in some other slides a particularly makes a difference from dispute looking this way to see a more residential character roof in the back rather than a straight wall another significant change i'm going to talk about that came about as from comments at the last time we go back there it's a retention base and here was proposed to be about the size it's still twenty twenty thousand cubic square feet  there were ten parking spaces here now we're proposing to a large this basin and i'll get into the reasons why we're a large into the with the basin as we talk about the previous comments from january ok briefly just i'll just go through some design changes because it looks different as you see the elevation drawings so this is what i proposed to look like before this was the large entry feature i was talking about that had just  about thirty to meet this coppola style you could see that the walls were going to a straight and somewhat boxy and the new design brings the building down significantly it adds this hip through all the way around with with several cables and we did this in response to comments on the style the character of the residential feel and also in line with other buildings along south key here road if you look at it as echoes although they have a shake roof to this is about like i said twenty the height limit on the residential side is thirty feet so we are you know we think of points even with a residential district to the to the west and this is the entrance area this would be the side that would be facing mcdonald's and that's a previous design new design side of the street the property and were open to alternatives and we we can flip that we could put the entrance on the no hope high street side in the loading zone on the mcdonnell side we're just looking for direction from from the committee in the community what we did think about though is on the loading zone we do some analysis on what the typical stores on maui have as far as loading and a loading zone typically at a one of the walgreens stores here they get one container truck per week and that truck pulls in and unload in a dozen idle its engines they get about five to six deliveries of smaller delivery vehicles per day which is you know the chip guy the bread guy sort of guy smaller vendors come in a smaller trucks so this is the north entrance alternative so this would be having the interns on this side of the loading dock on this side but we actually you know we thought and just opened you know open for discussion but we thought that having the the entrance on this side would actually be more disruptive to neighbors because you'd have more people coming and going here and cars parking and coming into the store all day versus limited delivery hours another thing about the loading dock area walgreens does use a trash contractor so there's not one but open dumpsters and that greatly reduces the amount of pick up so they need for trash and it also reduces people rummaging through dumpsters in the evening or at any time they also cardboard bailer inside inside the building so there's not a lot of waste generated by a walgreens so the trash pick ups are not frequent they're getting back to the questions that we heard in january we heard one of the comments was consider using our work our one water during construction and for landscaping and we can do that  we can we can do our one for landscaping when our one line becomes available in the area so we'll design a landscape irrigation system to hook up to an r one line currently the counties are one system is  pull along the road and south keep a road which is about twelve hundred feet from us now so it may come down it sometime in the future so we're willing to look up to that there's no other available are one source in the site right now we looked into our one water for construction and i just checked the department of health rules and it is allowable so if there is a source available for us to get our one water and trucks to water the site during construction  prefers for for water delivery to keep we have two meters on the property right now and there's no other viable option to find our own water source we can't dig a well we can't could connect to another private system so  on the positive side it's estimated that this won't mean store would take about three thousand gallons per day of water a thousand gallons of that would be for irrigation so it's about two thousand gallons per day of  needed for inside for the rest rooms the same us i'm so you know in the scheme of things it's not a lot of water typically a single family home uses about a thousand gallons of water a day so if we had five single house for homes there for example would be using five thousand gallons a day would be less than a residential use on the property the other i don't was contact the owner of the lot adjacent to the project and this is a i can show you on a map later but it's so one commission member or maybe several hundred numbers last time had concerns about the impacts of drainage to the downstream properties and this is a guy that's actually behind mcdonald's and this is the way the current energy pattern flows and i have some slides about that but we did contact this guy he's the owner actually of the property is owned by and i'll see if he has based in san francisco we talked to the did not have concerns with the project including any concerns about drainage sense she's had that conversation i understand that he sent an e mail to the planning to hartman last friday saying that he's now opposed to the project and he does have concerns oh that's where we're at with him we have communicated with him again and asked to talk to him and explain any any issues he may have or continue to talk to him and then the last one that i'll spend a lot of time on is include information about the depth of the water table beneath the site so to do this we commissioned island geotechnical engineering to actually study the depth of the water table and the way the study did is to week previously estimated that the depth of the water table but let me correct myself the correct way i learned to talk about this is the elevation of the water table so the elevation of the water table  two point six feet above sea level so the water table does rise and it's higher than c love so it's two feet two point six feet above sea level this area right here is currently the the ground surface is currently about four point six i think we're four point nine feet above sea level so there is a depth to the water table previously we had estimated that the elevation of the water table was two feet so the study showed that the elevation of the water table was two point six feet a little bit higher than we had estimated going show the slides so this is the this is the location of the of the trench test in and this is just an overlay to show where the retention basin would be in relation to the to the building and this is the test front trench that was dug and that's the bottom of the elevation of the water table there proposing a twenty thousand cubic foot retention basin now that we know that the groundwater is a little bit higher we can still maintain a twenty thousand cubic foot retention base and we just have to make the footprint of the other dimensions of the retention larger to handle the who are to achieve the same capacity so this is the slide showing what we were proposing for retention basin before there are ten spaces here and so we can eliminate these ten spaces and we can increase the the footprint of the retention base and go ahead and then it would be here so we eliminate those ten parking spaces we achieve the same capacity and actually reduce parking we're still in compliance with code a code requires about thirty spaces for this kind of building we would still have about forty spaces even eliminating those ten spaces going to talk briefly about drainage i'm not going to talk a lot because i'm not the drainage expert i just wanted to run through a few concepts in a more it was our project engineer and discuss in more detail but basically this is a chattels across this area so when water gets to our site right now this is what the current existing conditions it does pond a little bit here and then it so what we're proposing to do is to have our retention basin here and what the retention basin the purpose of the retention basin is to capture the additional runoff that our project would generate because we're building  building with the roof and we're building a parking lot that additional runoff is about six thousand five hundred cubic feet per minute during and explain that a little bit better but our retention basin is designed to handle the runoff that's generated as a result of building the project and it will go into this retention basin unfortunately we cannot hold back all the water that's coming down from we you know this whole could be a retention basin and we still wouldn't solve the regional drainage issue we cannot mitigate extensively against preexisting conditions where water is coming from off site and continue and flows through here so we can slow down the water that's going to be generated because we're building the building in the in the parking lot and we can store it here and we can we can let it soak into the ground and aaron has information about how long it takes to soak in the ground it's actually less than i and i understood and some water though is still going to continue here and it's still going to come out the way it currently comes out so this is a preexisting condition that we cannot we cannot dam up the water as the basic idea what we're not going to let any more water flow downstream and currently flows so i guess the easiest way to think about it the way i was trying to think about it myself is that if this was in isolation if we were just if we just needed to contain all the water from our site this capacity this basin could do that and it could handle three times more then that could then what is coming off of just our site it could hold three times more so the retention basin is oversized in that regard as far as in compliance with the apartment a public works standards  but what we can hold is it's just everything else that that's coming now so i guess the the way i look at it or my summary of it is that that we have a preexisting condition with drainage coming down we can hold it all has some drainage will continue to leave the site and that's the way the current arrangements flows if you have an existing condition and it's still present after the project is built and is doesn't change that existing condition it doesn't doesn't reduce that if you have an existing condition it is still present after the development the impact of the outflow is not a we have complied with all the environmental laws as far as preparing an environmental impact or environmental assessment we have received comments we have responded back to all of those comments it was received about fifty comments in total solution commission comments from the commission commission from the urban design or the board comments from the community we have made significant changes to our site plan and our building design as a result of those comments  we might not have satisfied everybody as you as you may hear later but i think we've made significant steps forward in modifying our design to respond to people's concerns the plan a department is recommending just this e a receive a fine have no significant significant impact i hope the commission will consider that i certainly hope that you would recommend that we will be back before the commission or the special management area permit where there can be you know further discussion on design changes or other changes that the commission would like to see but at this point i would ask that the commission consider a finding of no significant impact  mcdonald's at that area i go to the to the shopping bus across the street i see people crossing between those two i see people waiting to make a left out of mcdonald's or a left big donald and it just seemed to me that the original plan they have using the no hope no hope if the name of the street but the next read up as an exit would move some of that traffic off of that very congested area and it just made a lot more sense to me in fact i would suggest that there be a no left turn sign coming out of that donal's and for someone making the left they go down to that next street and make a left out there that that takes one of those left hand turns out of that very congested area i don't know if that would be easy to implement because it would affect mcdonald's and so forth but i can tell you that what exists today and i just don't like the idea of putting another place where people are going to be turn left and right i'd rather see them only turning right into the the walgreens and if they want to make a left if they don't make it from that congested ok good morning charlene schellenberg here hi am i i'm testifying as an individual but i would like to comment about some of some statements that were made at the end of the last meeting and that was there was an impression that we had overstepped our boundaries meeting with meeting with walgreens whether whether it was perceived or not that when we were contacted by walgreens as individuals who had written to walgreens and they had an obligation to respond to us and they did in writing and then they went so far as to hire lighning as i understand it as an outreach person and she contacted us as individuals not all of the individuals that showed up to some of those subsequent meetings after they had already met with casey a were not part not everyone was part of k c a l also in terms of understanding what we were dealing with and another comment that was me that you know perhaps we were trying to dictate things by having a list of items that we were concerned about so i decided to do some research since i've seen you last and i found dozens and dozens of cases where walgreens have met with community concern or have come up against community service concerns it happens over and over and over again the list of things that are common are very similar to the the list of things that we had originally provided a casey body and also as individuals things like traffic increases undermining the residential quality you know major negative impact to the surrounding  houses i mean this goes on all the time so i decided to do some more research into history and understanding what we were dealing with in terms of strategy business plans  business practices that that walgreens does so they do in fact me with concerned citizens and the commissions and they have shown to be flexible and i was as i had mentioned before encouraged that they had contacted us and that we were making progress and that they were you know i just addressing some of the concerns some of the biggest concerns were still not  size so some of the research that i did i found over and over and over again where they make concessions to size so they you know they are capable of doing that one of  the examples i had brought up was a san ramon location that ended up working for a couple years with the community and the commissioners and they ended up making strategic changes to not only size but to traffic flow to delivery hours to all kinds of things that were really really important to the to the community events passed and with more support from the community so that's essentially where i come from what my positioning is as you know and i don't i'm not against business i want it to work for everyone but he questions for the fire would you like to ask me a question last time i was here it testified that the air exit was going to go right in my driveway and in much to listen because they changed it so the only thing they're not hearing is the fact that we don't want that stored there so  you know the fact that they're the traffic increases you know on that street pump chanelle center that's a residential small residential street so it doesn't need a big store on the corner  morning i'm linda perry i'm an architect that live in key hay and i've been involved with this project from the beginning when they first came to talk to the design i'm opposed to the project in the current location because the size of the store being right next to a residential neighborhood because anyone dug a hole and he knows the tide will change the level of that water there are plenty of sites in the hay where this would be an appropriate project and it's not as if this is the only option that these folks ha e we have a lot of vacant stores that we would like to see repurposed for something like this and we have the new cape town center coming in with building sites that are designed specifically for stores the size really urge you to drive around the existing stores that are down the road in maui loni and who in any in louis and take a look at what's going on with the trash and the dumpsters there every time i've driven by it quite messy and it's not something that i would like next to my house and i hope you'll think about what that would mean to the people that are living next to something like that i encourage you to prevent walgreen from ruining the environment of this neighborhood and suggest that they locate a project that somewhere that's environmentally appropriate for our town thank you questions for  jeremy peterson because i live there with my wife and my nine year old son i'm here as i strongly oppose the proposed walgreens remain reason the first reason the project scale is totally inappropriate for a residential neighborhood  secondly i'm deeply concerned with the walgreens post development drainage plan the proposed storm water retention pond will not work due to the fact that the existing groundwater elevation is about ten to twelve inches below the current grid two feet that they're talking and if you look at their drawing i've passed out to each one of you guys these photos you g you check that out this this is my house right here during a significant rainfall situation that we've had presently in our area their retention pond that they're proposing is basically grabbing all that water and it says that it's going out to the ocean but if you flip of a second here you clearly see right here this is looking towards the ocean there's absolutely no rumbles and rented a diesel powered myself and hooked up to pump the road dry  so my house is right here too and pull him back house so the photos that you're seeing are basically right here this is totally under water so what they're saying what they're speculating is that all this through and goes out to the ocean but that doesn't happen all the water just comes stacked against the road and know who is under four feet of water that's the photos of those guys standing in waist deep water so by these guys developing up there filling this up for feed their offsetting there's going to be way more water in this area than ever before by allowing them to develop  there standing water on and it's happened for the last twenty years my family is on the house on the street since one thousand and sixty eight and a used to have been once every ten years but i've noticed with you know the constant development of the surrounding areas that it's now been in every year i'm donovan domingo and i give you guys some pictures to look at also see my little scale going down there the wonders do you guys you're holding right there is i did it at the same time he did it which this morning i went an hour after high tide and i didn't have time to copy but the same holds the it shows that it's twelve and a half inches on one and it's seventeen inches on the other day i brought the they would have to build it at the retention base at least twice the size of the building in order to do their plan their plan says that they're going to use no materials off site they're going to do everything from the materials on site to build it however to do that have to dig that area much much deeper then what would work for using all natural or all the resources from there because once they get past twelve inches it's going to fill with foreign material which is water so they're just defeated their own purpose and what the thing will be in twelve inches deep it's not to hold any and even it won't even hold the amount of that they're saying that they're they're building will do so they're very very often there on their calculations i believe won't give you a picture this is what we will end up having this is the lake that's right now behind long you know that at least has a barrier around it this is not like ours would be right up against our buildings of our residential area having a lake right right in our backyard and would like to see all the side of it and circulate those questions for the test triangle that they put on it you'll see i'm standing right next to the triangle and i dug down myself and so that one is right now it how many changing the oh oh you were fine where you w go back to the one where you were shows the retention ok that's one anyway i dug right up the highest point that they dug right next to it so i stayed outside of their triangle areas that they did the be right there grand high tide it was just the basic high tide which you can see on the charts and over here was seventeen inches this morning right where they're saying it was two and a half feet it's not and you can see by their pictures if you go back to their pictures i love that they actually put it up there because high tide is where that black line is in the sand or in the ground where the black lines up here this is where high tide is that's worst constant water sets that's what change the soil above that is we're to will go up you'll see it white and then regular soils above that and it's also built up a little bit because they have hauled in gravel and all that around the area but you could definitely see we're actually is we're gets to and then this is clear above that so that's what we're actually dealing with a mess on the highest part of the lot and if you can see up here this is wetlands grasses so that also might tell you something thank you any other questions for the test fire scene thank you this time commission would you like to power through this or would you like to lunch i know resident living within five hundred feet of the proposed walgreens my house was built in one nine hundred thirty five our neighborhood may be the oldest in many residents have lived here for over fifteen years there are two big reasons why our neighborhood does not want to see a fonzie for this project we need to see an e t s for the last eighteen years we have had the key mechanic community plan that is meant to guide the growth in our community is still very relevant especially in respect to this project one of the administrative actions that it requires is that infrastructure must be adequate and in place and with development at this time our neighborhood floods because there's no functional drainage system i know this because the street in front of my house has a drain that leads to an exit that's below sea level and is usually blocked with sand this is needed to be remedied for the twenty years i have lived here and if we are god guided by our community planned a solution must be concurrent with the walgreens development despite the engineers assurances otherwise we neighbors believe the new hard skate to the extent that walgreens is proposing will only make matters worse the proposed development drainage plan has an arrow that indicates excess storm water will drain to the ocean this is not true and is not possible because our shoreline has a dune about eleven feet abo sea level the st drain doesn't work so the overflow storm water will stay within the lots behind the proposed walgreens the owners of these properties agree with me that this is so please refer to the letter from adam sparks that  no maps or drawings or any information showing him about the conditions and explaining it furthermore we have been held to a no rise standard because we live in the flood zone this means that any displacement of volume of water  flood water by its structure must be mitigated by excavation in this case the water table of the fresh water plants that is above sea level will not allow it the second reason this project should not be approved is also found in our community plan which states that business is adjacent to residences shall be of a low key nature and residential and scale this rule has been followed since our community plan has been accepted by the council the business is built next to residential area as are low key and residential examples are t hey veterinarian shaka pizza he had a nursery and aloha marketplace they are the size of houses they front the street they have parking beside them or behind them and do not operate at night proposal defies these rules and will hurt our old and the stablish community please try to imagine how you might feel if it were to be in your neighborhood with these impacts i ask you to request an s p done and the conditions be set in place to control the scope and negative impacts this project will have thank you for your understanding and i'll see questions for just a fire keenan thank you would anyone else like to buy it this time  my guests afternoon and know you all had something to eat now i'm getting a little hypoglycemic so i'll make it short i don't know much about drainage put as a retired urologist i know a little bit about how the water works at work to the ocean right at my property i go back and forth every day from my house where the drainage is ditch or drain is supposed to be i've never seen it now people have said that if i dig down about six feet in the sand i will find the drain they're supposed to take the water from this project to the ocean you know i just don't understand how it's going to go from where it's starting into the ocean if this drain is plugged up in seven feet on the same and it's beyond me how any project of this sort can be approved without further looking into the real problems in in the environmental impact statement that should be complete and appreciate the fact that the drainage does not the back lot which is just a book finished at this point in time so i know all about the issues building in the no rise so we built we were aware of the regulations that range anyway so we had to build up two and a half the upgrade level below above the existing grade level so that means for every shop a full of dirt was under her new house we had to take that out somewhere in the yard in the front but we have to take that out of that area and now if walgreens is going to build a fifteen thousand square foot building or a ten thousand square foot building and they're going to hard to keep everything as well they're going to have a hard time ever doing that exchange for all the reasons you've heard here today so i just bring it forward that that my experience is being that it's it's going to be impossible east on what what i'm seeing and what i've experienced myself so certainly an environmental impact study has to be done and get the real facts of it we've got all the drawings that we had before and after and we had to go through those steps it takes time but i certainly agree that we have to have an evaluation done before anything goes for waste a lot of people's time until we get actually this one this one and this one all in the design and and i support the development  i support the development of all all green and  you my name is mario kart don't you got some prepare and let's all just read them on the agent representing the seller of this property i'm also a resident of the hague i've been a commercial real estate broker for forty years and have been working family for over ten years on his property erica stinson the daughter of jim stinson is the majority owner of the property she has submitted written testimony which gives you some history about the property there's not enough time to read that to use a please take a close look at that in part eric has states that she is not a real estate developer and she is not looking to sell anyone just to make a quick buck she was born and raised on maui and has a second home in way lou to sell to walgreens was made because she feels that they are the best user for the property much more so than a gas station bar or restaurant fast food or flea market the traffic into a walgreens is quick in and out and does not create a lot of parking lot noise or  some of these other uses with one issue that's been brought up is whether a walgreens of is out of place in this location the key question is what is the neighborhood it is clear to most unbiased observers of this property is part of the south rode business neighborhood it is not part of the residential neighborhood this is similar to other south hero commercial properties that abut residential property such as time supermarket a second place and mcdonalds it is even more clear that this property is not historically the property owner has always been told by the county that the county does not want more than one driveway from south keep a road the only way to achieve this is to consolidate the lots which requires a larger user that brings up the size of the building at fifteen thousand square feet it is only a lot coverage of nineteen percent a more typical lot coverage would be twenty five thousand square feet and this building is only sixty percent of that walgreens is in fact the smaller a budding reza this whole neighborhood is asking for the drainage issue should be left to the county public works department which has said that this is a regional problem is willing to put in an oversized drainage retention area and if it is clear to public works that walgreens is not adding to the problem and is in fact doing more than its share that should be sufficient we need the competition with the c v s store cross the street this is good for all keyed residents the c v s store is hello good afternoon commissioners in kenya representatives my name is jacob ross freeman and i am one of the owners of the properties directly makhaya of the proposed development only yesterday was i contacted by the representative project managers for the project and the overall drainage stream draining through our property i have been able to review the preliminary engineering report that is associated with the environmental assessment i do have plenty of questions and do believe that i need more time personally to review that document with the project managers in or to say that speak intelligently as a civil engineer about this project  sky and the stormwater management of the project for reasons presently presented by some of the other neighbors on that have spoken before me i do not believe that this is the actual  good move sorry i do not believe that this is the actual current drainage course for storm water through the property and therefore i believe further study is required if if that i mean that we can't say well they got it there they're still further questions in this different despite that he only got contacted yesterday on that so he has this particular point my feeling is that i have enough information relative to the project and project site it's a difficult project for a neighborhood to accept because  case has addressed the impact that he's created on his site and addressed it on site which is the legal requirement and they've gone beyond that a lot of the comments that i heard today a fighting of no significant impact is appropriate in this particular case not because this is not going to solve the drainage problem but no particular project within the key area is going to solve the  for over the next hundred years all of he is going to be impacted for the most part when sea level rises by about three feet and it's going to be something that we address listening to what's happened and then what the commissioner has done is saying about this particular area the major concern is that it is a flood in the area and the only continue from now till doomsday unless we address that particular issue and i think walgreen has all of the requirements met to build the place but i don't think that's the issue at this point the issue at this point is we need to address the infrastructure there for structure is a major major problem in here and i think we need to solve that and until such time that that's solved i think we should put a moratorium on the areas that are affect that this way and that's my eyes i do not have the same views as my fellow commissioners as walgreens is meeting the legal requirements i do not agree with the testifier that walgreens is the best use for the property it is my feeling that this property is is a bad law you know the law requires it you have to you know maintain all the water in your lot and the current landowners trying to find somebody to buy it and walgreens having to collect all the water i feel that the first study we had is is now different than the second study we had and then i have pictures which as  third information the water flow charts that i have i just don't think they're credible i don't think anybody's working on purpose but it's hard for me to see three different types of information all about the same ten feet to me just legally if this if the if the law is as tough it is on a walgreens and as unfair as it is that's what the requirements are and i don't see how really anybody can meet it unless they have small small footprint and they put in troubles and they put you know six inch p v c used to collect all the water but i don't know how a testimony earlier from from walgreens says that they're collecting triple the amount that they're required to buy expanded into ten parking spaces so they expanded their catchment at the most a third at the most a third is what i saw and and then i have pictures were even their own picture shows that the water level is higher their testimony to me is showing the difference in what they're saying and so at this point i just don't think that this is a great loss for walgreens i think they're go system and so i think traffic issues can be addressed from the standpoint of right turn and right turn out and those kinds of things that we look at to try to ameliorate some of the traffic in  t i am concerned a little bit about trying to impose arbitrary size limits on it when it's allowed by law and allowed by code it's been approved at the urbanization level it's been approved in the community plan and the change in zoning is something that needs to follow a community that and its community plan is it's residential in scale lot of my comments were directed to grow greens or any business or any and to competition i think this is a bad lot i think the person who has a slot somebody could want to purchase a home lock because they have the same problems that walgreens has did the allegation is that they haven't had it when in fact yeah yeah so the any other questions poem for the vote  suggest that the applicant go back and take the concerns of the commission as well as their neighbors pumps i would suggest on me just for the pine department's record when i go back into the letter at the deferral it's nice to give the applicants a platform to go on so we usually will ask you to highlight our bullet point through the process even if this move forward today we're not say we're not going to talk to the neighbors of course we're going to talk to the neighbors of course we're going to you know try to make it work and one of the test fires is correct that it won't greens those want to work with the neighbors when i look at the list of the community associations concerns or there was thirteen conditions went over the list again last night and we can say yes to most of those conditions i mean one of the things we can't or we're not willing to talk about right now is reducing the store size but i mean we can get past that to i think long as across the street is about twenty one thousand square feet and we're about fifteen thousand square feet so we're already significantly different so i don't want to i don't want to string things out but and again you know this is this is not a well being but this is just the proper to develop if if i can ask this is not a requirement but if i can ask that it be you speak with a testifier that had some photographs that was against what he h the future anybody would have problems to develop this lot i agree with you there for one but i believe that walgreens has the wherewithal to do it right and to be able to put in the infrastructure that's required whereas the smaller single family home guy may not be able to do that i think so to get any other comments that motion is provide that if you have three on excused absences you can be asked to step from the commission and have someone else come on to the commission that is willing to attend the meetings and participate at every me and i think the public is