april twenty first apologized and then for the next three years so  i'd like to start off by thanking mark from john in rio and bill for working together to come to this agreement and i also want to thank the screening committee again for the great job that they did and and thank the board for the work that they did on this the whole interview process and the contract so i move that we ratified the agreement for mr william  be town manager effective approximately the end of april through june thirtieth two thousand and seven seventeen it's not a long time  everything you've done so i'm really excited about starting i really am my board meeting this week so i know you all appreciate the fact that meeting together was important to try and talk about the actual dates we're going to work on that this week and finalize it on thursday so we haven't even this  close to what market talk about so we sure can close the number so we're going to try to get that done i just want to say that this is you know it's like you know you work your entire career at it to get to a position where you can go in and work in a place that you really you can actually finish a career in and i think this is going to be really a great opportunity for me i'm really excited about what what the prospects i mean the quality of life in this committee is really primary to me and i think it's primary to all of you and it's important that we balance that with with all the important issues that are facing this community balance the the business community's needs as well as the  residents can make and needs and his well as the the education and all the services that go with it is a great staff here i'm looking for the working a lot of them i'm looking for the meeting all the boards and committees establishing my way shop with all of you and in  my relationship with all the people in this community because together we can get a lot of great things together and i think if we can share that vision develop a vision that would that we can both work on together i think will be a great thing for all so thank you very much i'm really really conditions they all worked on really looking forward to starting sometime around mid april and support a lot of work to be done but we're really glad to hear thank you very much for the right looking forward to getting to know james very optimistic and appreciative of everything that the screening committee did and all the meetings in the meetings with you so i don't want to be repetitive but thank you and i look forward to it same age and thanks sounds like you are becoming a good transition because he i think he's leaving voluntarily yeah you know if i could just say the same thing as the chairman it's a really tough to be placed in that kind of position and i fully appreciate that and i'm grateful you i just wanted to say i was playing the be my my family what's remaining members my family we're my wife my daughters in new york of course but my son is under the weather so unfortunately she's old maid with my wife so i but we'll have plenty of pay for them to teach you all as well so of other than the fact is a school committee that bore selectman it's the first two requirements within the process the actual statement of interest you know we have a draft right now that is pretty close to complete has all the wording in it we're just kind of wordsmith ing it now to try to make it a little bit more attractive to the s b a the requirement basically calls that you know the boards like me take this vote and it authorizes the superintendent of schools to actually present the s b a with a statement of interest to do the roll school and it does not commit the town nor the taxpayers at this point any fine natural obligation is strictly that we are supporting the fact that this process would go forward to them for their review they will come back if if and when they do decide to approve a project like this they come back to us it's supposed to be about december timeframe and at that point you get into the formal you know financial ramifications and having to present to the town and get the support at that point as to whether the project go forward at the time does not support it at that point it dies if it does support it then they continue to work forward with you so this actual warning as you see it in that handout has to be within your minutes for tonight's meeting which then have to be approved and signed at your next vote and that's what i have to submit along with the package that goes into the state ok so you don't want  vote tonight no if i need you to vote to to accept this wording but i also need your of your acceptance of the actual minutes of the final copy that signed ok ok you know we went through this with song another pr as you know is not in the business of knocking down schools and we missed all of those opportunities from before where towns let their buildings lapse and then the state comes in digit money to rebuild it i think this is very important to make sure that the you know the roof damage the windows a sense of stuff that we did the high school is address a very proactive in and i know you've you in the school committees worked on this for a number of years now to get it to this point it's very well very much needed this  actually just for your mate this goes back to all the way to two thousand and one study that was done on the high school the taylor number all highlighting all of the issues it's a very thorough study and it's it's ironic that we've done a very good job obviously one of the things with the high school which we have done  the taylor issue is roofing in and you know handicap accessibility from the exterior we've done that as a community and so this is really kind of the final piece although the taylor needs additional work down the road this is the biggest step that needs to be done and the amount of work to has to be done triggers all of the code compliance issues so so that's why it did this you know this is two to jim's point this is very important we kind of present this the way we do it because we can't really piecemeal it the board of selectmen acting as the local licensing authority pursuant to mass general laws chapter one forty section one eighty one and section one eighty three a and chapters one thirty six section four the title foxborough devised general bylaws article five section six and also stadium rules and regulations will conduct a public hearing on tuesday march fourth two thousand and fourteen beginning at seven fifteen p m in the fox her high school media center so street to review the applications submitted by m p s see for the mexico border or triple soccer ticket and i think that ok thank you mike apologies for the miscommunication on that particular point but to reiterate what he said parking is not included in the price of the ticket so we will be charging standard parking and have a full parking operation in effect for this event  we are requesting friday june sixth for the mexico vs portugal international soccer match this event similar to the last three international soccer matches that we've hosted at the stadium are not promoted by the revolution there standalone entity some which is the promoter they are familiar with the facility there for money into town bylaws they've been here before and most recently in september and had a successful international match we are requesting a start time of eight thirty p the ticket prices vary greatly they begin at twenty eight fifty and go all the way up to two hundred fourteen seventy we will be hiring translators on both spanish and portuguese for this event and we will be sending out informational email prior to the event that brings all of the attendees up to date on stadium policies traffic recommendations opening information and stadium prohibited items in the stadium relatively staggered start time the event in september was on tuesday evening and with this being a friday event we anticipate even more of a sadder because people will be most likely getting out of work a little bit earlier solution to have as much of a crash it does create some traffic come home they can't get off for ninety five and a couple of my friends i actually text them that day and say don't forget there's a game come to one forty in norfolk a walk and there's no way that the stadium could set up everybody because people get so caught up in busy lives they just forget and i have a couple friends of to get every time and it's a yes it's certainly something that would be useful we right now are current so let's see it in all of our social media does mail they get notified if you know give it a shot some use wants to sign up for this direct e mail notification the day of the event and to be with the traffic issues are going to be you know no matter what  think people really appreciate that and i think it would ease up to you know a lot of businesses to they you know like moms down there and some of the other businesses they leave they forget and they get people come in they just can't get there you know for that two to george strait concert tickets this being given to the veteran services department the value of the gifts one hundred thirty nine dollars combined face value the donor is mrs anita eaves of v a nurse who hobbs new mexico the second gift that's going to be given to the veterans services department the gift is a v a east service computer station the value is worth one thousand two hundred dollars its purpose is for fox war veterans to create an account and securely access their own records i don't know before is a gift that's going to be going to the public works it's a grant worth five thousand six hundred dollars the purpose is for a safety trailer and the donor is the m i a matter of traffic control devices that stays that stay with the trailer so when you have need of that stuff in a hurry in a certain location just hook up the trailer to the back of the truck take it out there you can set up whatever you need right there on the site and it's very helpful when you have accidents and things like that and we were lucky enough to apply for it and get it and i'm pretty happy about it it's being built and we we don't even get the money what we do is we just tell us the builder to build the trailer and then maya pays them so i expect probably sometime around june will take possession of it acting as a local licensing authority pursuant to mass general laws just for one thirty eight to conduct a public hearing on tuesday march fourth two thousand and fourteen at seven thirty p m in the foxboro high school media center  know so again we don't want to thank the board for the opportunity revisit this application the splitsville guys have done quite a bit of thoughtful work over the last several weeks since they  you know and on february fourth a certain number of restrictions to both the liquor license and the entertainment license or outlined in a more global settlement agreement and between meeting dan who's going to the new general manager as well as reviewing those restrictions they just want have the opportunity to do that themselves in person coming up here to to and to meet with you once again so at this point and we're and also i'm going to be at the tail end of their presentation available to speak on the work that i've done and chief o'leary more importantly has done on the on the policing program the global policing program pager place he's done a lot of work that i fully support and we can get into that discussion as well as part of this whole package so without further ado i'm going to turn it over to mark cuban split had some time since the november hearing we continue to finalize the plan we've amended the application to now show dang labor sent as a manager of record and i think we did want to walk through the restrictions on the  walk through them in order and unfortunately cheaters i'm of the age now number one with regards the entertainment only on thursday friday and saturday evenings from eight p m until closing except in connection with private events stadium event days and holiday periods no person of the age of twenty one will be allowed to sit at the main bar or high top tables thousand square feet because as you put it up to plus or minus nine hundred which again as we talk about prior applications the building commissioner will set that ultimate number based on his review of code and his review of all the data on the plan we then you have to live with and respect that number we're just building will be plus plus nine hundred as we've talked about in the prior hearings and you need they've antenor the goal from our side of the instruction instruction is there seem to be some concern that we would overload one part of the building with the majority capacity so you know as we've talked about the three different parts of the revenue still bowling dining entertainment you know we want we want the building to fill comply really and you know this done nothing mark pretty much everything so we're just we're excited to be back we you know we're hoping the third time's a charm we've we've really put a lot of effort and gone through  taking the conceptual plans that we had at the very beginning and gone through all the code review and everything where we think we've got everything really ready for a permit set so we can you know start building we'd love to be open sometime in july before a preseason opportunity to move to miami run a run our establishment down there i manage i bartended with that i took the opportunity to kind of grew over a little bit and i moved back to tampa and continue to work for a company managing the concepts down there with that we open our phrase very virginia store opportunity and growth drives me so i moved up to virginia and i managed as well as took the assistant general manager position for that store and  eventually became the general manager i once had been there for about two and a half years and then you know that establishment was about seventy thousand square feet movie theater and splitsville and then with that came you know warm weather so the opportunity arose our downtown disney store this is a general manager position open i was offered it and i came down there and for the last year i was i lived down there enjoyed it open that one and then presented itself one more time and i took it for the general manager position at the phosphorous let's go cold yeah you know it was it's you know it's seven s so originally from philly so it's not too bad of pickup truck so able to get around with all the snow you guys have had it's been it's crazy and you're also following somebody here my fiance broader up she's in the grad program at bridgewater which is kind of why i've been up here for about a month now you know she's seventeen was trying to get her accounting degree or accounting thousand square feet on two levels so he's had exposure to moving parts and a lot of different things and obviously has followed the company around so he's he's adapted well and sit down together as well and i also have for him to be able to do those move mean we tapped him to do that i mean he's been phenomenal and if you look at the majority of the managers in our company they have grown with the company they've started out as far back servers bartenders and they've worked their way up so it's one thing about getting into our culture that we talked about j last time i was here that we were so involved in the community dan was there from day one in fredericksburg which is a town of twenty five thousand and he saw firsthand how we went into that community really got involved and now it's really been the dividends three four years tips certified safe sort of certifications you know i was presented obviously all the rules and regulations for foxborough which i will i have a little bit of time i'll take and i will memorize of what familiarize myself with the specifics certifications and whatnot regulations versus you know the florida regulations or any other state but and i mean as far as as far as any other certifications i don't know if there are any other ones five of them responsible vantages well that's a florida based kind of similar so those types of things we just we didn't want to have to keep coming back and qualify to try to say here here's a day to do it whenever there's a lot of people within pager placers let's say in complex we we want to have the ability to take advantage of the how shall we tr tickets are made available in am and you say holiday periods what you mean by a how do you define a holiday period i think we're a lot  like i would define it as the sometimes the holiday is not the united wednesday before thanksgiving is traditionally a very large restaurant bar night a lot of times the sunday before monday holiday you know whether it's president's day or so it's just trying to not have to continually come back in front of you so you know you're in your leave is in the holidays because new year's day so you know we're just trying to straddle this probably they could be the holiday or the day before depending on the nature of that holiday so could we put down rather than holiday periods put down like you know work something out evolve our holiday something like read the nursery and i think i'm not sure fifty thousand but we could probably pick a number of expected attendance as well for the state invent it's not every time the stadiums open but it may not rise the level fifty thousand maybe some number but i think perhaps even a ticket event inside the stadium rise to that level and in the holidays would be you know there are floating holidays based on days like you know new year's eve would was concerning the splitsville certainly on your side was not concerning but these nine items between the entertainment license and a liquor license is what's been going back and forth makes me a lot more comfortable and i and i appreciate the effort that you you did we do and some of the site plans quantifying qualifying and making the changes so i think this is a lot better than it was before that's my two cents do has you know and it's really for him due to comment that he has made a proposed community policing he's done a lot of research in in in other districts around the country as well as outside the country to toronto specifically  walky providence philadelphia areas that he has looked at where there have been challenging dynamics in terms of policing entertainment districts and you know at this point based on the proposal he has made to me and the outline of things that still need to be worked through i think we're going to be in a very good place cult of two to policing pay to replace and if you will much like a lot of things a page puts down will be a model for other developments to look at and you know and i'm strongly in favor of of what he is proposed to and as we said in the in the settlement asking a lawyer to do that it's kind of like asking a father not to kiss his baby's cheek and i promise you i'll be brief i read once where the wise are quick to decide and slow to change their minds and i'm asking you as a citizen of foxborough to consider changing your mind tonight and offering the liquor license in two thousand and five when i was elected one of the big questions we had was what was going to compliment the stadium we didn't have anything going for us and it was part of my first campaign how are we going to help business grow on route one because there was so much competition with the sixty five thousand seat stadium and it was in two thousand and six that the proposal to develop patriot place first came before the board and i was fortunate to sit with bergdahl any of the initial committee just to get input from various town department heads on what it might be like to have a development there and i have to say that it's been very good for foxborough the proposal that was brought forward is really one that we embraced but we need to remember that one of the reasons we embraced it was because we got into a partnership with liquor licenses entertainment requires the sale of alcohol i really believe that it's not boston but foxboro that is the entertainment capital of new england in order for entertainment venues to attract customers they have to be able to serve and we have been i think as a board and as a community very accommodating we have a fine public safety group but most importantly we have this group here who as a casual observer from the sidelines these last few years i have to say that i've admired the approach that the board has taken to to policing the sale of alcohol what patriot place means not only for foxborough but for the surrounding community in the grow jobs and in construction i think that is good for us to keep that partnership going what the board has been through in the last few months is nothing that i would relish sitting there having to make that decision in the in the face of public opinion but you signed on for it and you've all from what i've read and seen have taken the high road and i admire that because it's not easy to sit there is a member of the board of selectmen and be be put through what you've been put through sometimes it's harder on your families than it is on yourselves so know that there are a lot of people in the community have admired what you've done in the last few years we've been through difficult controversies sometimes we bring them on ourselves sometimes there are larger questions that we're trying to answer i think it's the right thing to do i was encouraged to read of short bit by ben franklin not too long ago and what i came away with is ben franklin tells us that we will always have expenses it's the opportunity to earn revenue that we have to grasp when we have that chance and this is an opportunity for foxborough to gain revenue i have great faith in you were billeted to control the licensees i think it was creative the way the license came to perhaps be available but it's creativity that fuels our business and i would ask you to consider that slow change that only you can grant for the good of the community thanks for listening to my remarks and maybe wasn't as brief as that them thank you very much mr chairman ladies and gentlemen i appreciate this opportunity while i'm proud to be your town historian i would like to speak tonight as a private citizen to see if some thoughts about our town that have evolved over my experience over the past eighty years it is an experience i treasure and i strive to nurture said sense of community the may spark for so unique you have before you the reconsideration of a proposal for patriots place that was rejected a few months earlier the modified proposal before you right now is about a media shadow of the original as the proponents seek to address each and every concern raised by town officials clearly these are people who want to do business in foxboro and the craft organization has indicated that they would be important to the mix at patriots place for explorers always been fortunate in the economic engines that have driven our economy it is due in no small part to us being a town that would work with the business community a partnership if you will as one cannot thrive without the other and we have countless benefits to show for the effort from the hundreds raised track on route one to a stadium and a professional football team all separate entities came to a pitiful painful yet critical transition to single ownership under bob kraft and from there would flow a new mega stadium privately financed and what we would come to know as patriots place a multi million dollar expansion of our tax base that benefits our town in so many ways attracting entities that we couldn't accommodate downtown even if we wanted to given our critical lack of storage patriot's place is unique and entity many towns would like to host personally i can understand all the nuances of marketing a complex like that as it needs are so highly specialized but one thing i know for certain the man and the vision behind gillette stadium the new england patriots and patriots place is still here among us together with his entire organization waiting to help us become all that we can be by working together benefits to date have been enormous far outweighing any negatives but right now i believe more strongly than ever before that each one of us should make every effort possible to maximize the relationship of our town and to craft organization with open minds an ongoing dialogue we can and should build upon the foundation that has been laid as we work together to make up partnerships stronger than ever before i thank you very much  and we came up with all sorts of things to bring to the board to look at the vote came to town meeting town meeting had the same presentation that we did and they voted to have it and the man ha vision the vision is is pretty much ninety nine percent there he continues to add things to it i think that splitsville will be yet another event you know  detainment place for us to to have up there and i think that with splitsville there along will come other opportunities for the group too so as he grows we  grow i just want to remind you that we worked very hard on that and the board's sense than have worked together with the patriots organization to get where we are and he has some members kind of say well we didn't get a great deal we  everything it's hard as a past member to take that and i'm sure that in your days after seats here you would like to hear that he this that's all i want to say for now  patriot place they're doing very well she's got four other locations and cupcakes are a good business because she gets to spend the winter in florida so she's in florida right now but we were gabbin on facebook and i was just tell her that this was coming out for and big business owner patriot place she was thrilled if you up to that you guys might come in because for a small business like her you know the foot traffic and other people coming up there only will make the businesses that are there successful and maybe will draw some other businesses it's not it's not all about just places that serve alcohol this is a little cupcake bakery and she's thrilled with the business like they're coming in so i just think that a successful business that's what it will be shown it is if you continue to bring businesses like this to develop a true place it'll it'll just make it that much better in the future when you have other people sitting at this table asking you know to come on in and enjoy and join the party up there so i just want to give you know from from mechanical aspects of why we're here we had said no to two items one of which was to change the envelope of the stadium include the field house in the stadium license and one to decide as a board is whether or not we believe that that stadium that field house is a contiguous facility to the to the main stadium or not the field house has had its own license for ten years and we need to decide whether or not we believe that the field house continues to need its own license secondly if that if we don't decide that the field house could be part of the state of envelope there is no license to transfer so your request or to reconsider and my understanding was or it was a request to reconsider the single request for transfer of the license from the field house to this proposed location the alteration of the premises was in fact a capacity numbers that we've been discussing it with the original hearing we were talking about a number of six hundred sixty for occupancy tonight we're hearing potentially nine hundred we have had  number in front of us that the capacity in hell of them would be three hundred now on this new application it's five hundred can you explain how these numbers can change  chart that had the square footage of the various areas within the facility so based on the information the limited information that i had on that of those areas were big and the total was actually i did it i did it several times to make sure i was close so i could it was the total figure was seven sixty  f the last one to three hundred i think that was the live entertainment area where they provided a square footage area five thousand forty four hundred forty four hundred seventy five and i think i used tables and chairs which is one of the categories which allows one person per fifteen square foot net  feet ok so but i think that when need be clarified is standing room area versus tables and chairs but that wasn't provided on the first plan when when i determine city and that was so yes you're right standing room can be five to one but you didn't provide that information so that's why i used the fifteen net and with that when you when you look at what we have it was a little bit more sketch but you're right it was a you know eight hundred fifty we're going back for that said we i said we we think our guess is eight to nine hundred but we don't know until we get the plans done and he looks at him and said that but so it hasn't changed i mean it  is what it is the footprints the same we and there's a few minor things we had to do for handicapped accessibility we had to add in a couple more exits so now instead of having four exits we have six exits but it's not like we've changed the that has come to the numbers where he's saying now and bill question of i'm wrong is is that calculation that has been used for every venue at patriot place or any other venue in town in terms of standing room occupancy as well as seating occupancy when you  regulation talon was right somebody has to be consistent across the board that those that information on standing room area and table and chair area was not available in build it is first calculation it is now available based on the final plans that have  been have been submitted and in india guys point none of the square footage has changed it's just how the the the venue is position from a standing room area and in the entertainment area as well as the entire venue versus massachusetts interested parties are invited to attend this hearing thank you john we will get to the public hearing in probably half an hour or so of those people are attending if you want to get comfortable please do so i apologize but public hearings  go there's no limit on they can go for months even so came up with that number of two ninety eight i didn't have time to go area for the rest i based it on the the square footage that was given to me for the individual areas within the floor plan based on tables and she is not standing correct so there's no i think it's five thirteen or five fifteen to reduce that understanding was whatever the max i can devise we are going to try to shove all those people right and kind of with them under the overall global occupancy into that area so distracted so that it  does filter naturally or there's a government governing process so the people are spread out through the entire twenty thousand square feet right because what you didn't want to say that you had nine hundred is at the front door and nine hundred trying to go in there into that  area and there's nobody over in lanes one through four and fourth away obviously that's that's what we're trying to restrict that you know not to the full calculus of everything but you know forty four hundred seventy five feet of standing room only will be a number you know in excess of eight hundred nine hundred believed to be the number they've got done a lot of work to restrict this down to a number with tables and chairs to give that calculation on fifteen for a portion of it but the you know the balance of the square footage seven thousand nine hundred or so which is that standing room only is that is where the calculation gets the number to five hundred so they're well below what the capacity of the space would be had it not had tables and chairs and are going to maintain that table and chair feel everybody around to sit down i mean you can't just expect your hundred people to stand for three or four hours singing and dancing or whatever i mean but i thought the void is requested to be a lower number at least to start with you know maybe revisit that in a year and see how things go with the awkward sea level and go with maybe the adequate i'm not telling you what to do i mean i'm singing this is what i think the board was discussing just at three three hundred  have average it off you know maybe we meet in the middle for now but i don't want to see i think that's what's good the boy a little bit since it was scandal five hundred people all once you know let's take a little baby and by a given area you know it's within the board's reasonable discretion to impose conditions on occupancy as long as you are convinced and in fact there's a impact on public safety a good or you can't do that the way to do it is to impose that as a condition of the entertainment license and that's what that's the way it would be done it would be a condition know maybe i'm fifty i don't know all but i think most people want to see now for a few minutes and i think people get more agitated you standing around get involved in too and you can create more of a bad situation so i'm really kind of want to see the table number so that that's not what our concept is that's not we're proposing it could be do i think that area with tables and chairs supports or would come close to supporting a five hundred thirteen person ever could be plus or minus a little bit as drawn there taking a number out of the air and then trying to apply that to what could happen to your business model you know you want to get on my farm or analogy if you want to you know in the sunshine you want to reverse so or do something i want to thank you want as much as you can and paint your place has been very successful with fridays saturdays event nights concerts you've got a great lineup of food beverage entertainment so to some degree we get nervous about restricting our ability to succeed and therefore enhance our risk so i think  mean we have to limit it i don't know which tonight or not the night when we do we're going to the entertainment tonight to just passes i don't know i'm trying to figure this all out as i go and speak but i don't think anybody has is anybody accompt with five hundred and then saying same the board the board but you know me put my designer head on park again i'm looking at the site plan it's got twelve lanes and it's going to bar in the middle and it's got seats and it's got you know standing area sitting area it makes sense from a site plan and architects perspective with very limited the number of days they can have the live entertainment the square footage to twenty five percent down to you know to a certain number it's hard to just say well you know four hundred better than five hundred to three hundred better than four hundred without backup if it's going to get smaller then the script to just going to get smaller and the piece is going to maybe get chopped off and not be rented there's an investment there's a business plan in this seems to make sense you know i did a couple questions on and seeing mezzanine which i don't remember seeing before i just got that today you know so things like that is something you know on the second floor that you can't see on this that you know if they came up with twelve hundred movies you know naturally want to see a thousand of the come over six we want to say four i don't know it's dictating the five hundred or other than it just feels like less is better than what they came in  place and i would like to have mr keegan's take a look at this and from his perspective as an experienced town manager who  before he starts officially he will he will come and to get up to speed on issues and that was one of the reasons that was why i made that announcement early in the evening just so we have come before hand contract is signed he said he can come before anything and and and work on consulting or whatever and i think i think this is a this is an important issue for the town of foxborough and i think it's good we hired this man for is expertise and i think giving it a week or two or whatever he needs is worth it i mean that's why we hired this man if we could have hired him two months earlier w united i mean we are we are five volunteers to work in this town we have various areas of expertise but we're not normally in ages and when i you know we haven't had experts you know experience with with but something like this and that's why that's why i would like to i would feel more comfortable to put that way with  agenda tonight included the fact we're going to reconsider the his first application so not really sure but again these gentlemen came up from florida expecting that that was going to be reconsidered that the entire board would reconsider with all due respect that is on board a chance to meet him outside of after he had signed on but you know further delaying this this process is i believe that the board has enough information based on information that that's been information that still could be provided by chief o'leary you know with or without a new town manager this it was intended that tonight was going to be a night for reconsideration and frankly that is to say that it that it's not but again going back to the capacity numbers i think you know that is my concern is the size the venue you know i hope that there would be some flexibility in consideration you know in considering that size both within the how entertainment area and the total size is that something you're willing to discuss i think we have some some ability but not to the delta of five hundred or three hundred i think you would then you would you would change i mean just think in the context you're putting the code is not that's friendly or encouraging to violate that number we go to three fifty one violation or there's a license for you've got such a you've got a room that's a little bit bacon on a friday saturday night you were there and have a customers why can't i stand over there you're stopping me here  just doesn't feel right and that our business model implodes and we we don't make money and i wish we would love to prove our ability to operate and maintain control of the response of vendors said we've done it gone i've done it together for twenty three years longer than i want to when one of the daughter's tenth birthday i mean this is our third hearing it's very important to us this is i'm here because my daughter i want her to go to great college on to be scouts want to take care of my family this is our lives so we came up here which we're trying to work we have one conditions i think go further than anybody my understanding in the state definitely in the town and we're trying to work with you but it's hard to pluck a number and say we'll just choose to be fifty percent less profitable because ok and so that i guess  four of us if we were standing right now we in the way they've build on the code for the the standing room only couldn't stand like this five square feet for each person think about th got there anyway that's my whole point i mean we're not going to we're not going to sit there and try to overload the space we we've already taken of what the state code says this is what you need to do so we're thinking ok well that's good because if you know we could change the plane which we would never have done because we want the concept to work three hundred sixty five days a year not for the ball game nights and you know the days and all that kind of stuff but if you took out every stitch of furniture the like brian had made that analogy would never have come back but that this is the way the concept is going to work great whether it's on a monday whether it's on a friday whether it's honest so it's not like we changed anything or tried to  anybody situation claims that you know when you referenced a number of four hundred what would that what would your corresponding occupancy for the full twenty thousand square feet have been in that question or that stipulate you know the rest of it hasn't been a concern it's you know just trying to control a little bit of that inside and then you do see how it works you know you know this is she's right we're not first time going on twenty something years to learn your clock in boston is no joke i don't go out and i just try and work through this it's just a discussion you know so much so here so when i first heard six sixty you clearly understand that blew my mind ok so i was thinking geez could you please lower it like four hundred you know i love the concept everything looks great so you said that that doesn't work so ok we're here to reconsider i'm thinking ok i'm going to compromise and go to six sixty and i hear nine hundred like i'm really struggling with that so there has to be a compromise here for reconsideration and i feel like we're not getting there we're all about compromise and we're also in the there's a certain square footage where you have a party and it's whether it's a party for high school students to do a fundraiser for their school whether the kids birthday party or whether it's a friday night out with the family or syria night out with the guys whatever it might be this right here at the stakeout we go to the five square feet or the fifteen square feet of tables and chairs if you say this is only you know once again looking at this entire more here near the stage when the houses are this is totally empty because we get more people in there and then we've got people that come over here that want to go sit at this table and we've got to tell i'm sorry folks you can't sit bac my back here has nothing to do they think might not even be looking at the show listening to the show that they're hanging out back over here you understand my point in some point we're we're great business we've been doing this for twenty six years  disney property we know what we didn't you guys at some point you got to trust us we're not trying to pull the wool over your eyes we're not trying to bait and switch you know we're trying to put a great concept in vox were for you guys for your s we're trying to do so it's something that you've got to really look at it to say this makes sense this doesn't make sense so even if you came back and said ok we want that small enough that's great let's negotiate still a smaller number but at some point there's that number is it as they are back is it here to there where this area is open i mean really look at what you're talking about and we're absolutely willing to compromise again we're willing to give again but it's got to make sense for a business model or we're not going to spend money i mean in order to do a lower number do you put more tables and chairs in so that you eliminate that sense that feeling of it's not openness the only thing worse than empty spaces empty tables  chairs so it's not i don't think you have seating for three hundred fifty people showing here do you know but and that's all one hundred people have now it's not the intent of that you know part of the store so to speak that if you're going to drive friday saturday and game day entertainment you need you need energy at some point some people do want to stand some want to said there's there's ample opportunity both you know that my thought is maybe we should take a two or three minute break let us caucus internally and causes it's hard to visualize you know i'm in the trades for me to visualize that situation computer the one i was in in boston because one in boston was like four thousand two hundred square feet wasn't twenty seven it's worth twenty seven so boston and helped three hundred  lane it didn't feel crowded and grand it doesn't have the entertainment component but if i walked into this area square footage and tables in the number of lanes here versus that i'm in the make where we had to get another exit was for any car this is raised this is higher than this this is higher than that and this is higher so once again you're even though it's it's up and we have the one of the curtains here at the railings but it feels better when you're in there because you're all the different levels so but because of this ramp because of this ramp a lot of space gets eaten up with the ramps but then you've got we had a whole nother exit right there just for that well by handicapped access so we just saw it once again those numbers did inflate it's not like we said how can we get in there but if you remember the first time i did say i thought it was around one thousand nine hundred what we would get looking at the plan what you were but nightclub and so we propose some separation and then you came back with curtains and rails is wondering if you can describe how you're going to isolate the rest of the bowling alley concept by curtains  friends i mean it's it's we would give it you for liers a practical matter and make sure the intent of what we're trying to accomplish is being in here to knowing that you're not unless you enter the building counting out you're always going to have some variance to what you know i think there's three seventy two there might condition but we tend to try to leave under twenty one if accompanied by that you know a legal adult or a parent as long as possible because if it carries a concept longer and you end up you know you end up letting them naturally filter out by nine thirty nineteen year olds and their you know the be a your mind my daughter's not trying to drink when she's in there with me you don't we'll in any of our locations you don't let six eighteen or nineteen year olds in at any time it's a it's kind of an overarching policy which eliminates a lot of the headache and all that but a lot of  and i still support it i think what's happened is the stadium is always competing to get venues concerts soccer games up here one page places first developed it was basically going to be retail and restaurants and now with the way the economic changes everybody's gone to amazon he be whatever you want i mean there's a package of my house every day and we never show up i mean is turn into a saudi and i still support that because how can you take the venues from fenway park and bring its competitive world we're competing for competing with boston in providence and other cities to bring venues here and you know people will travel from two states over to see a good quality so they're going to go to boston boston and that area of fenway park where they have where the bruins games is probably i'd have to guess two hundred that but what it's come to is we can't have these venues come we don't have the facilities and the infrastructure at the stadium to support it and that's what this is part of this is going to support the infrastructure of bringing more concerts which is more revenues a town more meals tax more hotel to arts it's coming i have full faith and the police department to manage i have full place in chief for every i haven't spoken to just about every police officer in this town and not one of them are against it i've heard two people maybe wrong three in this whole town that come up to this microphone  you i don't know if they were against that i just said i think there's an influx of liquor licenses and that's about all we need but discipline publicized guys for four strong months i've had three people and then they come up here and talk on the microphone i've had councils people come up here and support it including some most respected people in this community you've got to have faith in you please to pardon these gentlemen here for the third time i'm begging you just to put on this tonight reconsider it give new york to you to work in this community and let's move forward this is tying up way too much time and i know i am a judge of character i can tell these fine gentleman i'm going to a fantastic job in this town i know the hour i can tell because i can judge character and i can tell you right now i have fought it's going to be a great thing for the community and have a name there are four hundred fifty there that's a lot of one time revenue for the town the property tax and then the you know again over one hundred thousand dollars a year in meals tax for the community to bring our head down in front of the house and fa over large numbers of people is we all understand that but i think this is why the rules are there you know we learn to i know you like jenny said not everybody out there is is knowledgeable and everything but when you have someone like the chief coming up in giving his knowledge and giving ok and i was interested to hear him talk about it as an architect's point of view i think if you're not if that space could technically hold twelve hundred people but they're only going to go eighty nine hundred then it's i think it's not so much as the number of people that are there that's what we want we want people out there spending money if they spend money you make money and the time makes money i think if the the area is suitable to that amount of people that's the concern like jim said and i think maybe there's you know i think you are researching and looking at some of the properties i don't want to get a permit for myself and say oh no we want sp e so we all did a lot of research and we got almost a thousand people to ask you to reconsider so that's a lot of people in town people are very excited about and coming so i know mr gellman said that the entertainment then you shut down for two days and if you're shut down you can't serve any alcohol then you're not making my the town doesn't make any money then so i think if you guys if you feel like you've heard enough good things to give them a show or if something isn't right then you  redress it and next year maybe they don't have the same entertainment license i think that gives you guys the feeling that we have to do our best and what you going to come back up here again you know i mean if you guys really thought it's just everything you hate the whole concept i've been wanting but it seems like there's more pros than cons so you know i think sometimes you just have to take a shot and if it's going to be good for the town you know a thousand people said they were very interested that's a lot of people in this town you know and  on the community policing thing we didn't hear any discussion yet with with chief o'leary but you know i'm fully confident that that would address our public safety needs that's never been an issue  i think that you know the one thing that i just have to say that you know ed standing here saying he will address the public safety needs doesn't mean that he doesn't have a concern and that is something that concern  me as being characterized that ed standing here saying that was an approval or a you know an endorsement of splitsville it was not i've asked him that personally but he is fully equipped to address every public safety issue excuse me and would please and i'll just put you on the ball right here in your department ready and able to handle this is to work with the stadium and the policing program you've got coming forward moving forward you comfortable with this yes because i've been working with the stadium they've been very receptive to the concepts and to what we're doing in order to provide public safety it really shouldn't matter whether it's the current applicant or future applicants my job is to provide protection for our entire community as well as the people that come to our venue thank you need more questions if you variety from entertainment options theater options in general restaurants that don't raise particular risks that's why we've got a blend of different operations some that serve walker and we haven't had a call to them in a year are there some that are going to have the potential of having more problems absolutely but you develop plans to mitigate incidents from happening and develop systems to deal with the infrequent situations they have to deal with thank you so like i said i have no doubt that schieffer larry would be able to address any public safety issue up there whatever it may be will put however many people are necessary to deal with that i just want to make sure that what's being discussed is still the detail we're talking about details it will be details and other assignments as needed to ensure the safety of the entire complex while at the same time making sure that the rest of the community has the same coverage that they do right every other night which is going to be my well deceived you know so we're not going to have t pull any of our police officers off this patrolling our streets with this new plan to be a full time facility up here and that's what it is because the venue is growing and it's got to be having a new development there gives us an opportunity to have a dialogue with the management of patriot place and they've been very receptive understanding that we want to have a successful here that people can come up enjoy the services that are offered there and throughout the rest of the community and not do so to the detriment of the safety of  we wait one second to hold because i want to talk some more about the capacity piece of it is that something we deliberate ourselves or is it with ourselves at this point is we need to move on with  i understand thank you again so again just going to the size of the venue i can tell you what i have in in my mind for a comfort level around three seventy five then the total venue being seven hundred no those numbers won't work you said of an hundred which is a more than twenty percent reduction in our revenue would be counted again i mean we were talking six sixty at our last meeting and we were talking over seventy six why would you why would you pick a number that's more than twenty percent than what the building commissioner would otherwise allow which is already i mean look at this room you've got you've got sixty people fifty five people you're talking about taking four times not of this people out of a into into a difficult situation there is someone here who can establish what that number is and either we ask him to now are we ask him to do it as soon as part of the process and he is the he is the he is the body that does this much to say that the board is not capable in making certain decisions other than jim from an architect standpoint maybe we aren't maybe none of the venues page a place where ultimately it fell to the building inspector and i think he has weighed in that that the calculation is based on more information that he has been given and can make that based on public safety and then we have a public safety expert who said that overall in the policing aspect he's comfortable with the the ability to to to police it and keep it safe for the public anything other than those two things i think it is is not really worth the time of discussion because we have experts we don't have conjecture we don't have arbitrary numbers we don't have business models we have experts and i could i asked dick to come up and have a i'm i'm  tired of this board being put in a position where they're looking like they're not know what they're talking about or picking numbers out of the air with this this is been going on for months numbers have been talked about different first of all that the book is going to have a lot of consideration on a lot of issues and dave and cindy and i are going to have to figure out if you vote to approve it where those conditions go they go in the entertainment license they go into the liquor license and as you all know we've been negotiating a settlement agreement caused by the influx of another liquor license that's going to have to address policing plans at settlement agreement as i told all of you is is an agreement that needs to be separate contract but also needs to be a condition of one of these licenses and frankly there's no way that the three of us jim are going to be able to do that tonight so even if the board were client to vote tonight in favor of the license says he you'd still have to review the s exactly does a holiday mean what exactly is stating the event so all these things are going to have to happen my suggestion would be if you are at the borders comped of all to vote on the scope of it tonight you can do that subject to approval of the settlement agreement and conditions as are as the board wants in terms of the number the occupancy number i guess while we were talking you folks said you wanted to this i understand but you number's going to come back in this still probably going to be just greens noise numbers we're not we're not voting on the numbers tonight we're voting whether or not we're going to give them a liquor license and then you know you're going to  continue negotiations correct yes and and then we'll go from there but i think that's true mark but i think in fairness that one of the things we're going to have to solve publicly is the number  occupancy numbers and i i haven't heard back from you folks what number it is you could get on with glee live with and that might be economically just so that you know like i didn't we've been discussing these numbers i didn't kind of make these things up and you know so was my understanding there was some reason you know some potential here to come to some middle ground because again my concern is public safety public need and the size of the venue what if there be fair to say that as i just stated we have an expert for  public sizes of space as in an expert in public and say that that's not the quest that's not the question that i have i fully believe that the occupancy is determined by bill and he stated tonight is nine hundred whatever it is but  why would this applicant be limited when no other app and kids are going what i was just going to bring up and you know but the thing is a makes is misleading is numbers were brought to the board and now they had changed in the last but but also many for always forty eight  efforts in the in the changes in the in the in the impact in intensity paid to place have got to be be realized in the chief is is prepared to do that that's a that's a different discussion and in the but the you know stipulating that this applicant falls on a different to talk amongst yourselves talk with your council take five minutes if that's ok mark just five minutes come back with a number that you can live with and i think plumber base is based on a year and then  if these gentlemen want to go over there we're going to move on back to action and you can come back and i would really urge you to do that ok favor the next gift is also going to the board library it's a donation of three hundred dollars for the renewal of the pathak at red sox two thousand and fourteen pass and their new of the past of the doing in patriots hole fame donor is the fox for alliance club again cards with sixty dollars to be used as raffle items at a father daughter dances the donors evil book saloon in north fork massachusetts and again thank you book saloon via generosity i move that we accept this gift of ten gift twenty dollars each and they don't always stop and shop one forty one main street third again going to the recreation department as a handmade scott by the way these are all a raffle items are going to use for the father daughter dances  with twenty five dollars the donor is christine st pierre of the recreation department the next gift also going to recreational pot is a gift of a good for six cupcakes two gifts with twenty dollars each next is four tickets to one direction concert is two sets were three hundred eight dollars for each set of four tickets again going to the recreation department the donor is the craft organization next is six tickets to a new england revolution game two sets of six with three hundred ninety six dollars again to be used as a raffle item for the father daughter dance and the stadium to finish at the fifty yard line and this is being requested by phil but if you go well these are this is been done for five years i guess the only concern is it does involve some street closures and you know both the fire chief and the police chief have foreclosures and that has to be publicized enough so that people know they can get to their home if they need to that's which even if you want to weigh in this is a new route that has been developed  on behalf of the stadium for the havoc over road race that has been run several times in the last few years they are waiting to see from the department of transportation whether they could utilize a la on route one leaving the p one exit point for pedestrians to run down to your street come down on street beach down to edwards back across down in austria and back into the stadium that was a variation of a route that they use last year and by restructuring the race participants it went much smoother in fact the people that were running the race last year the day before actually did have people out going door to door in those neighborhoods that might have been impacted we did a reverse nine one one call just awarding people plus who was adequate notice and the different media as well as facebook you know so i don't have an issue with god i've actually been a movie called those are you a participant in  three fifteen fourteen four for fourteen five thirty one fourteen to the orpheum theater for the events on saturday march fifteenth from seven to eleven rhythm room concert friday april fourth from six to ten p mike mccurry community is that it's worked very very well we've had virtually no issues with them from from experience level public safety wise or otherwise they they do provide a good sound safety goo provide a crowd control plan and in the in the system works very very well in fact it's probably they had they sort of set the tone for how they day it'll probably control so i think those unsettle and all that i think we could live with and again we would disagree with how we got them about live with four hundred and within the entertainment space eight hundred total i can see which is a you know one hundred people a lot of people as i was indicated before numbers and that this board shall continue the consideration of the matter until march eleventh two thousand and fourteen  been with the settlement agreement with definitions that you will find acceptable you'll come back next week to specify what those conditions are side of the settlement agreement that's the process can we do that all at the same time can we be able to have the settlement agreement in front of us to study first before we make well to make sure that i'll get that to the poor turn this into hey julie prior to your me of the matter and you know where we can agree to anything with respect to that however my understanding from the applicant is that because of the time it's taken to get to this point they're they're not inclined to to a continue that at this particular point in time understanding that it seemed to make sad should you vote tonight contingent upon our ability to settle all of the details that have been talked about  the expectation is that if the number of you that could be here were here next week that the finalization could occur on that night prior to the scheduled hearing of course the everybody says well you know i just want to say i think would be important for all of us to be here well you know what he's gone away with quite a bit you've been away and i didn't have any meetings mark you know you didn't but we couldn't schedule was that when i said other conditions i meant the settlement agreement as well as but sure you can add that young it wasn't just other conditions it also as i understand it if the board does vote for firm it of late tonight then we me that i think when i spoke with you today i had mentioned that you know i thought it was going to be important that we would have all the conditions clear in front of us before we took the vote to approve the license so that that's really our only that's what's happening you know if that is anyone else on the board interested in that i have i think it's important that we get the this agreement understood because that really is the the the new foundation for this you know it would turned out to be a simple matter of moving a license is now turning to be a somewhat unrecognizable scenario to correct me if i'm wrong but by making it conditional you have to be happy with all the terms of a settlement agreement before it becomes an official acceptance yes but at least by voting on it tonight you're giving them the direction to work on those conditions and get them to the point where everybody's happy with them so i mean as as a practical matter john if you're not happy with the terms of the conditions because of course good vision that they can't live confident enough that settlement agreement and the other conditions are going to be to your satisfaction that is more dangerous on my block poising so many towns block them and i hate to use the word in mentioned company but it's not just that drug companies multiple drug culture they don't need to live the drug certain drugs those companies anymore because they know when they come and they rob because the dependency on drugs we have in the communities never mind i'll call we've dodged a bullet and i'll say it publicly all four or five members of this board voted not to have a casino in this town there was a public outcry for two going through we need to move forward it's always all i need this i need that we need to move forward here it's like we're in this in this day and still i think we are where i think we have  four hundred for the how entertainment and eight hundred for the total occupancy that the applicant may reapply up to six months of operation for an increase in such numbers and that the board shall continue the consideration of this matter until march weapon two thousand and fourteen for the imposition of such conditions as the board may impose that will now be eighteen i believe another day that is not the case soon on your reply i brought a book to the public what do you suggest i'm recommending to you labeled dog but the dog dangerous and choose from the options listed which would half years he's about five so he did have a prior home to me he did i had he was under my supervision and unfortunately he didn't have the property he began barking at mr evers as he was walking his dogs and in the time that i went to go get him he bit his dog which i feel extremely terrible about but i haven't had an incident with him prior he lives with other animals we have a cat and another dog i'm not i'm not sure what happened but i do want people in the neighborhood to feel safe so i'm going to comply with the leash and the muzzle but i just don't feel it should he should be able danger us that's for sure it but in order to impose those conditions that we have to clear which i have contacted multiple people i was trying to get an evaluation done and i actually had one scheduled for this sunday but unfortunately she sent me an e mail friday night telling me that are schedule was booked about the real  want to see his behavior because i never had an issue with him in an obvious sudden he attacks his dog and it's not that he's never seen his dogs before like i i walk my dogs in the neighborhood all the time and i've never had that reaction so i was a bit taken aback by the situation i was very upset and very unhappy and i was i felt terrible about what happened to his dog and that had to suffer so i took it upon myself to contact multiple people even some of them reached out to her to try to because he was under quarantine to see if maybe they'd come to my house and have a valuated but due to the short amount of what has happened on february sixteenth and trying to find somebody to come to my house during the quarantine was not very easy and then this woman who did commit herself sent me an email on friday like i can't i can't do it sunday in recommend it to other ones so i do plan to have him fully evaluated and is you know if he's a liability i will take whatever measures that person commands i understand if he's dangerous there's other people there's other children and there's other dogs in the blue and i would have to have been euthanized or if it's something that no justification attacks a person or domestic animals i think physical injury or death regardless of what the behavior says it doesn't change what yup and so i would regardless i can't for you i would recommend that no matter what i do yes i can receive the behavior saying anything that would make made me change my mind about that that label so you provided a copy of the statute and it has a definition of dangerous dog and that's what that is i don't see the definition for nuisance and do you know bicycle but it's never bitten or warm or usually it's barking and kind of activity you know causing harm  of this where that would happen either that he would leave the property but he was under her supervision because it has not been in the history of this dog running loose and that she also is very sincere about recognizing that this is not taking rid of all your liability of that dog running off the property with that color on and you'll never i can't say never ever but i'll tell you ninety nine point nine nine nine percent of the time the dogs especially a small dog is not flowing through that logic fence and said dog my whole life i know how they can spoke and they can do exactly what your dog did it with no justification or signs of becoming trust me i know so i would  your initial presentation except the one with the number of articles and with the idea that you're going to have to vote on each one of them individually at some point in time work the very early part of the process allows everybody to vet the articles in the beginning at next meeting i suggest that it be on again and you can start going through some of the articles obviously there are some of that are very common to everything in your town meetings that you could you can probably as a group except those and won there are some that you may want to hear from planning board or building inspector war you know so if you if you have an idea tonight that some of those articles you want to bring them in kind of bite down to attend the meeting and give you their highlights and then you can decide what you want to support vote to support the article so tonight you just accepting voting to accept the articles it's not expressing any intensive and there are support and nonsupport it just to accept the articles so we can start and through the process at com has already gotten a draft with the idea that some of them you know the language is going to change they're going to be vetted by counsel and you know typically there are changes to some of the language but from the ones that are pretty typical those are pretty much ready to go  legislation one you may not be ready or you may not feel like the additions but say our next meeting can we have a discussion like for example this thursday a meeting with the billboard advisory committee and we're going to be discussing whether or not it makes sense to push that  but when we when we vote to support i'm not support the individual articles if the deputy go why not a bill had been has been before the ad com and even though i know they haven't voted on it can we get have the i'd come in and find out what their discussions were you will have a meeting with them typically you do have a meeting to you know get some of them out i believe so you know they might be working on some of these right now  but yeah well that's definitely concern or the local license legislation is a concern you have you know we keep we probably should take you know fifteen twenty minutes next meeting to kind of go through them and in the ones that we know you support on an annual basis you  say that and then the ones you want to hear from other people like planning more whatever and if you have a good sense of the sign by one you know we can start to maybe pick off a few that don't muster at this point and i think we'll know from the like the wicker legislation one part of the discussion what the stadium would be splitsville thing maybe we you know you make that determination during the next week or so that that maybe not right and it would be better suited at another meeting so there's still time for that e mails so you want to go to except this well i think since we have the for the wanted to do the reason ok a motion i move that we enter into executive session to conduct strategy sessions in preparation for negotiations with nonunion personnel or to conduct collective bargaining sessions or