be reckless disregard or knowing disregard of the ages of minor a and also as it failed to meet its burden on a record that mr woods recklessly disregarded or knowingly disregarded the age of mine b when we're talking you know your or your brief did not address the audiotapes of phone calls that were presented to the jury would you like to address honor to address the phone call number one which was made between minor b and the defendant mr wood says that you know everything is out and done but it's unclear as to what he's referring to is he referring to that it's the government's position is that it's out and done meaning the ads are out and the girls have been going on dates but also it says out in john meaning that this whole situation had concluded at the time but it's also there's inconsistency as to what he learned when because he acknowledges that a minor a was young naive he refers to those in the call  under age in call one he refers to acknowledging that he learned after the fact that the miners were under age in called one don't the tapes also show that he and others in the conspiracy used force coercion and fraud to gain compliance they withheld food they refused to let them go they threatened to leave them in dangerous neighborhoods i mean don't the tapes do all of that the taping one or the call want to excuse me kind of talks about is after i get i after the fact this is when minor b had been contacted by the f b i and she is speaking with mr woods after the fact and there is some dispute as to the food because mine or a testified that she didn't have access to food but then on cross examination minor a admitted that she didn't try to go into the kitchen and obtain any food and so minor a had access to food but i think that the evidence is still insufficient as to the age of minor a while the government did introduce their birth certificates and their photographs a birth certificate that knowledge can't be imputed upon the defendant because he didn't know at the time that minor a was under age well wouldn't it be pretty unlikely to think that if the fourteen year old was actually well unfortunately your honor the record is silent as to yes there were photographs introduced from the newspaper ads that were for the magazine as the back page dot com ads but the record silent as to yes that's how she looked at the time but we don't know chronologically how she looked i mean does a fourteen does she look chronologically fourteen or does she look chronologically older the record is silent on that but you know there are some that do look chronologically eighty but certainly the presumption would be good morning your honors may appease the court my name is mega church i represent the united states the evidence when viewed in the light most favorable to the verdict as this court must do demonstrates that there was overwhelming evidence that willie woods knew tha was a minor that jade was a minor and that force fraud accords were used to cause those girls to engage in acts of prostitution and with respect to your honor we were happy to supplement the record with photos taken at the time the girls were engaging in acts of prostitution and when the f b i first encountered them additionally the jurors had an opportunity to observe these girls when they testify and they have the folders right absolutely your honor they had multiple copies of the multiple advertisements that were used by the defendant his coconspirators to post these girls in our line advertisements for sex those recorded phone calls were the best evidence of the defendant admissions as to his knowledge that those girls were minors while the calls occurred after the defined it was engaging in prostitution with those girls he was recounting his understanding at the time of the girls ages and  specific conversations with minor and with jay about how she told him while sitting in the couch at his house that she was sixteen he acknowledged that caylee was fourteen years old at the time she was there with other minors she was asking questions and making statements that led willie woods to question how will she was why was she always asking for her mother he wondered whether she was old enough to even be apt that's what the defendant said in those conversations and the defendant absolutely acknowledged that he used force fraud and coercion and kill himself when he withheld food and her cigarettes when she refused to have sex with him he also acknowledged that jay was struck by mariah at the direction of codefendant may leak mickey when she was caught having sex for free that was the environment that those girls were in when the defendant was using them and selling them for sex of the evidence demonstrated that he knew that they were under age and that forced brought him course and where you list both in iowa and then when they came here to chicago on top of that the defendant took the stand and testif have the allegations and said basically he was just some guy who was confined to his room with the exception of the time when he came out and cooked dinner for everybody it was absurd the jury was able to weigh and determine his honor to address the government's statements about call one about the conversation with minor be about her age at the time she was inconsistent and fast about her time when she told him about her age because in the phone calls again after the fact she brings up the fact that she was under age but at the time she informed mr woods that she was eighteen and that she was of age and for those reasons i do believe that there is insufficient evidence to support the verdicts in counts two and three