on the agenda is there anyone here wishing to speak you're in public to be h ok now i know many of you are here for the discussion of the city of south bronx an airport resolution and just to let you know the practice of the board is we'll have a discussion as a board and before we have a motion on the table then we can open it up to people from the audience would like to make a comment and as you were coming in it sounds like there are several of you so i just want to let you know how that would how we how we handle it ok so then moving on to our business items we haven't lucky to say we have a number of interviews tonight which is great it's nice to see people step forward and do this and the way we do it we go down in order on the  agenda for the interviews and when we have two people interviewing for the same position what we do is we have the first person there will invite them to the table and whatever else is going to  interview we kindly ask them if they would step into the boy or so as to allow the first person to be interviewed and and not give an advantage to the second person after getting to listen to the first and then when th full discussion sylvie and i know each other also the owner of jules on the green thank you didn't the next step down thank you served on different boards mainly though for the past eight years i had served both as the board member for the american red cross and the mine and then was a chair for the mine red cross  the town and or at that time to borrow is looking for as well as the dance the balance for bringing in new business  for three years so i know a little bit it usually has applications come in it's not unusual to go for a month or two without finding a meeting because there are no adjustments that are ok  and i know you're busy with your business so i really appreciate you stepping forward two hundred volunteers so the other quit so what we'll do will end up going requests from the public were from applicants was one that was a personal friend of mine matter of fact there were only three commissioners myself included on the board that evening mine i'm not going to be able to comment on the issue tonight particularly and so it went forward and they requested my issuance because we needed a majority vote for one way or the other and so what did i that so it wasn't it wasn't the public zoning commission it was the ministry of review board and so it was a decision making body the appeals that would come from one party or the other w go to the city commission for city council rather and they were the only power that would be able to override the vote of the commission and so we received a lot of i would say a lot from commercial interests signed sizes and parking issues variances for building close to the street a few feet versus the required fifteen feet those kinds of things right i was in that was the majority of the cases looking for variances and stuff like that correct thank you so fiance wanted to continue her education so she applied to you and transfer luckily at the time i worked telecommute lou so i could work anywhere in the country and so i just transferred here  that way and we have been here a little over three years we just closed on a house a few weeks ago so we are a long time resident and planning to be in one gradually j and the other questions for me for a you might have been the four year when i gave the spiel but we'll have we'll go to save the session later have a discussion come out and make a decision and then somebody from the manager yes it is it is only when there's more than one person yes only the first person that goes or does if there are three people and there's one opening or even if there's two then the first same same deal if you could give us a little bit of background and i know it's pretty extensive related to the airport and the reason of why you'd like to point to the to the tac well i'm a product of essex junction syracuse saint i spent twenty years with the federal aviation administration fluting ten years in alaska and we moved back here from alaska when our oldest daughter  airport playing in development clued in chief of the airports division will ask a for a term period of time and i started work at the burlington airport as a consultant back in one thousand nine hundred spent twenty five years there is a consultant employee slash and then retired and after twenty five years  now back there was a consultant two days a week helping with different things while there i was the last position i had was chief of the  is study is very important for the region it's very important for and i think it's good to set the tone for where the airport is going to be going with respect to things that could be done to get noise and just exactly what the noises how will i look at it i'll look at it very objectively because that's what i plan or i'm an engineer and it's important like to stay for that item and so i joined you might also be ok next up there is one opening for the essex rescue community advisory board and we're fortunate to have two people actually looking to fill so first on the list for the two so jean if you wouldn't mind waiting in the foyer and then we'll have grace or somebody come get you ok thank you  ok go ahead first of all thank you for wanting to volunteer in this capacity so as you know the question will be tell us a little bit about yourself many of us know you but for the record give us background on yourself and what ended the fund raising for couple years after we stopped that they came to me and the if i could get my committee together to help raise ten thousand dollars because they wanted to be late in every course responded and  there is a quest for town highway and it's reached under our town highway ordinance the intent was to make progress of improving the roadway as more people lived on it so it's gone from a couple of houses  and i know the people live out there in a long time expressed interest to have the road taken over the town because it's been a for aggressive improvements the roadway the last few houses that got put in out their own property had to pay a substantial road impact to tune of about sixty thousand dollars which is in the back there's some indication that another house might be sold shortly along i don't know that for sure  that same impact they would apply so that sixty thousand might go to ninety thousand so the real issue is in the association up there though sleep with sleepy hollow road association john somerville came to me and said can we use some of that money to do road maintenance and we looked at it and part of the reason for that high impact fee was the ultimate we'd get the road paid and so i talked it over with john he brought in the association and association came back and said they would be comfortable if we were to utilize those funds so it's not town funds it's developer in fact funds and be the party through in fact improve the roadway starting at the bottom near one twenty eight and making our way back it's narrowed down there  some of the ditches have disappeared or some are some trees would have to be cut but our intent would be to make improvements to the roadway starting at one twenty eight and move as far as we can with the dollars that we  have if you're familiar with a roadway but a quarter mile and there's a fairly steep hill that you have to go over and we would not go past that but also one of the new storm water regulations even when we have heard and work on a quest for right away or not just done but the bottom line is that if we do this it then qualifies as a next category road to take over but now that section and i don't feel comfortable stepping off and doing it without getting your permission to go ahead and start this process it's a small section of may only be three or four hundred feet of roadway that favor it's probably one of the areas the road that needs at the most the upper portion got a fairly good stable rock face on it the lower portion is your that needs the most maintenance but if we fix it it would require a lot less maintenance because of the fact that the stone line ditches shoulders pavement and we do enough of a base that it's going to last it will be as good as any of the upon themselves to set money aside to they have some kind of a monthly fee a portion of which goes towards the wording in the road maintenance and they can and they do and there's been some some difficulty with that which women vision when we drafted the ordinance but it's it's the nature of the beast and that is we've had for even some existing houses from day one then there was a major southern region that came in and paid for the flowers but i don't pay to have my grass cut and each one has different requirements and it's crazy but under vermont you cannot require them to join a major association so in the past has been some issues among the residents about who pays and who doesn't pay  do collect money and they do utilize that money and they have put a substantial money into the roadways especially when we had floods back to track and five years ago when we got the feeling the floods there was a large gathering here to select for over three or in collected road fees to improve a section of wesley b hello road to the accepted public works paved road standard for with the result at the improved in page section of the roadway may at some future  with more detail yes thank you i won't since we've spent time on it before i don't want to take up too much of your agenda but essentially we are trying to the energy committee would like to participate or make asics of the participating community in the buttoned up campaign which technically runs from september fifteenth through december thirty first but we're just we do the best we can but we would try to start by hitting the ground running and just as a reminder of what the button up m o you with efficiency vermont would require us to do includes implementing at least two engagement activities such as home energy parties workshops and tabling events to distribute free l e d s to residents in exchange for getting some of their information to the fish and sea vermont in order first person c vermont to in turn courage encourage adoption of different types of energy projects on the part of this that i think is the most important is we would be trying to teach people how to use what's called the vermont community energy dashboard which we spent the better part of our last meeting on and which basically talks about what your community is doing and what you as individuals are doing to  save money on energy costs and while i think a lot of the benefit of the benefits of energy you know a reduction in energy use or energy savings or obvious one that might not be so obvious is how our community looks in relation to others and the vermont community energy dashboard is kind of like the clearinghouse of all the information through the whole state of you know which communities are have active energy committees which ones don't which are making progress towards the goal  which ones are not and up until last week we literally had nothing on our on the essex page of the community energy dashboard now we have a couple of stories we're all starting to figure out how it works and the button up campaign is kind of the key to start really populating that with information and using it actively so that's a that's that's kind of an overview i will say that i don't know greg do you do you want me to explain about the these two the one issue with the m l you can jump in  frankly think that they'll take it they're they seem excited to get us in i don't know for certain i'd be surprised if that's a deal ok very good questions for we'll from the board thanks for runnin this to ground again as if it was a couple of the period of performance for it because of temperature fifty eight so does that put us at a disadvantage now that it's dark over it's a good question that one of the things that we're thinking about is if the select ward were to approve tonight we have an event that saw on wednesday which is the open house and we were thinking that that would be a perfect place to start giving away light bulbs as a means of people come to that open house so with your permission i think we'd like to just get assuming you approve put out a table in the hallway with the light bulbs and try to get some people sign up as long as we can can do it so that's why i say we want to hit the ground running the other thing is that we've already been in contact anticipating that we would be improved with some of the contractors and the contractors of the key to figuring out who is actually don some type of high performance energy audit getting their information so that they'd be willing to hold store their goal this is like like the saying they're excited to have another community be part of it spread the awareness thanks if in section four under participant will and i guess is a one two third bullet it says that you record the name and address of all individuals who receive a free l e d and provide this list to efficiency vermont my only request there would be that before they take the l e d line that you would let them know what you going to do with that information when they signed his name ok and i forget if we went over this but i think when we talked about this on the select forward planning commission as well we've recently taken a meeting with the energy committee well to introduce the project explained green lantern group and how we develop objects  look for communities for it were legal get it lewdly that this is a well cited good project that can benefit the community in more ways and one that leads to my second part of our presentation here which is to present a letter to the town offering our project to the town to become a member of the net metered solar array so there's two parts in what we do when we develop projects we locate good properties generally and snow cleans the panels throughout the year the good news on our permit in accomplishments to this project specifically as we have gotten through results of that probably the next two weeks on october thirty first we will be within the forty five day period to put forward our full application your board will be to see a copy of the full application between now and then  is the best time to contact us directly and make any comments or recommendations to the project as presented if there's any concerns or questions is another part for us to answer those questions directly not why we're will be sometime next year around the same time takes about a year for the permits to be achieved again eight to twelve weeks for it to be bill maybe another month to work out your connection issues which agreement my brother and i did a really quick look at your electrical usage based on your handle report from last year which has buildings and grounds i weighed streets library police parks swimming pool  all of that tolls roughly ninety three thousand nine hundred dollars in fuel dollars and what that equates to is six hundred thirty thousand kilowatt hours of load at fourteen nine one nine cents and the reason i'm giving you that fourteen nine one nine cent number is that is the state wide berth eventually retail rate which the renewable energy credits will be  hour load that you guys have every year just considering it that it will stay average at six earned thirty thousand kilowatt hours were able to offset eight percent a year alone and the reason for that number is we need to leave a window of efficiencies and you have a great energy committee that's working on a host of different programs to become more energy efficient not only the community but maybe your buildings as well so that twenty percent window these room so what i did was i could together a really quick pro forma for you that shows a thirty five year value with the first twenty years highlighted and the reason for the twenty year high of the initial term the agreement will be for twenty years that runs concurrent with all of the systems warranties and work product along with the land control agreements and leases that would be in place for the life of the project so in year one using the retail rate factoring in adjusters for a project of this nature and sandpit which is conserved a preferential sighting location we would get a total net meter credit rate of about seventeen cents we would be allocating five hundred thousand on a kilowatt hours to the town which would have a net meter cash value of roughly eighty five thousand dollars in this example here in our initial offer which is by no means a fixed offer this is just to get the conversation going you would see a year one savings of eight thousand five hundred dollars in year one and that would be pretty constant for the first ten years and roughly average over twenty years and the initial term of the  agreement no cost to the town you would see a overall savings of one hundred sixty three thousand dollars approximately in the payments you made to green mountain power be really clear we're not providing electricity do not disconnect from your utility and another really big takeaway of this offer this is a true no cost offer to the town of six so services  you previously received on your overall project not outlines exactly how we are going through a permanent like i said october thirty first that believes the forty fifth day pretty shortly thereafter will be putting in  out of waterbury vermont their own business for over five years now we have forty individual projects of this nature of the way that the state of vermont one of the larger companies that does everything in week and the company was started with a focus in the financing and working removes all of these so that they could achieve ownership of projects where they were not able to easily raise the money based on some of there was a hundred dollar bill you're going to receive one hundred credits bill zero keep ten percent of those credits and now you have a kind alors that you so that it's not just a pass through a yeah the state set up is so you're basically the way the state set up that needed and virtually is the trade off by be able to commercial business will buy a portion of the ne will it last forever we don't know but we are guaranteed ten years adjustors mean you get a positive and negative for the ten years of the project and then every years it's it's a discount from whatever artery goes yeah so and then there's this is how the p c figures it so every two years they will adjust the incentive tracks to months and we're paying the balance to be non power at the regular range so there's two different ways the for the for accounting purposes and we've got these choose to make it really simple we average it out over the year and that's the same bill every single month all of the production happens in the summer months and then we're doing annual true up at the end of the year and adjust for any over allocation or you can do  and work with us officially on official after that even if you don't comment you're still party to the petition and it's done by the p c well on the forty fifth day you'll because my my question was when it goes past its useful life whenever that you know what what happens yes hard part of the we will testify within our application then at the ok very good thank you very much ok so now we're on to business item five either and that's a discussion of the city of south burlington airport resolution and i think last meeting you got a copy of that resolution and it was decided to put it on agend so we can have a discussion about it so it was in our packet we have a lot of information that came with it so whatever prose is that we knock around some talk about it and then open it up to the public here because there's a bunch of people that would like to add some comments as well so i open up to the board to see where you want to start with this ok yeah and if anyone want to start you saw that this went to some other municipalities including coal chester and on it it is the airport i guess has been in business long time right about one hundred years or so i think and it's kind of a weird situation where it's an asset of burlington but it's located in a different regional dispatch that doesn't exist yet and that's part of the thing i think is trying to vision what a regional and d looks like for you join it when you don't have those assets are you sat up for the procedures in the second largest one of them on i think a ike i'm i'm struck by two things in reading all of this the thing that i find the most curious was that i believe the advisory to the airport had made a suggestion of doing this three or four years ago if i'm not mistaken and it didn't get acted upon that would seem to that would just seem to me to have said to signal some hesitancy on the form of the on the part of the airport to to agree to at least discuss this method of governance so to speak i just feel i think i think it's such a unique asset to this this area and this state that i'm just i'm i'm i'm struck by why it never went anywhere three or four years ago and i think the thing that i'm seeing missing in here on this where i'm not comfortable making decisions and there's certainly not enough information for me because i haven't heard the voice of the asset owner i just heard the voices of those you know and and and that's very true i mean it's i i don't i don't get the sense that there's a great deal of agreement on the other side of the table and it just makes me wonder if we're having this discussion where it's going to wind up sitting again and not going anywhere  i'd look at and look at the numbers and the nation at the at the airport and see them going down i see and some noise about becoming candidates for months airport and and that competition scares doesn't scare me but it it certainly makes me sit up and take story you know i've i mean i read through all this material i still don't feel like i have enough information like if there were some things that were just kind of vaguely reference like  answer so so there was reference to you know dropping any kind of inference that that was because of its burden was going on over there but i don't think there was like yeah exactly clear i like to see clear analysis and i didn't see any and then there was also some other reference of some immaterial that that's works in plain words for us what dropping so is this just street trend and something else is going on i don't know so those kind of questions the other they struck me on this slide which is you know i think an attempt to show the region the new ski and other communities and some of it spells out all the other communities and then i guess the other question i have is what is the state of o an action step that they passed along to the burlington city council and maybe they've been busy we certainly can visit and forget things for years at a time i'm i wouldn't be so i wouldn't point a finger at anybody in particular and say well they obviously dropped the ball for a reason maybe they're just writing priorities and maybe it takes a couple of towns when a passing a resolution to say hey this is really important this is about fairness this is about equity this is about taxation without representation we're taxed our error is tax the quality of our air our noise levels are taxed by having an airport nearby so shouldn't we be part of the government structure i think it's always a timely thing ask ourselves should we not be part of the regional governments for regional and do you like this and  in burlington so i don't see the same type of disconnect i mean as far as berlin tony ns are concerned they have as much noise pollution air pollution as essex residents do and yet they control the airport and self relations in the middle actually hosting the airport got all the control on this side as it says on this side equally benefiting or not from it but having no say in the operation so i do think that a little more of this equitable et's have an oist in the conversation yeah i mean i'd love to be i'd love to be at the table for it but the effect of the matter is we're not driving and so sure we can we can tell them that we'd like to do it that we'd like to be a part of it but i invited it if i don't see how you have an effect of regional governance without everybody hoping everybody comes to the table on how they having a discussion as a region and then there's this other action to approve this resolution and i'm not sure why a resolution is required in order to have the discussion that's a very good point what he needed resolution for conversation was a resolution i think would need to get at it before you can think of signing something like that they see how accurate it really anywhere in the packet how those all those farias recommendations were prioritized or not may still be on the list of things that they plan to look at it all now i don't know if i don't know at this point we can ask for their comments on that  bad for belief and that's not bad for you that's great for you that means better pricing and you want competition you want that's what to do so i think it's important if you're going to have or build a relationship and this is what we call self  it all starts with number one making sure that the content from your money that you're going to build this on is correct and it's actually there's nothing that's in this resolution that's accurate or has been fact checked by the air you know and  the sas if most of the airports that are in the state of vermont were started about a hundred years ago so i think you have to ask yourself is that failure or is that success to have this airport in this condition in this area that's actually success they don't very well and you know that you can look at what other stadio courts and it's going to have made i mean we're very lucky to just a few years ago we had somebody that was very passionate about looking at this and this gentleman came in and he brought those airports back but otherwise they probably won't be here today the probably can never have issued you know they've had good leadership for one hundred years but the city of burlington has invested their tax dollars up to nine hundred seventy seven and into it that's not cool and that's not the vermont way twenty five years ago this was asked during bernie sanders i think it was the bernie sanders and one of the senators got into a skiff and they tried to do it then and it failed and failed for the exactly the same reason nobody wanted to put anything into it but there's nothing in life are free and you can't deal in this state from people you don't want your property stolen nor does the airport in the city of  we do serve the region i think quite well and we've recently taken on the land of the recently taken on charlotte and we had many requests in there that's amazing service for a community this small so before you use start  criticizing you should really understand the aviation business and i would recommend that you maybe would come talk to us like we're doing today and maybe visit and you know so we could speak with you about what we're doing here ok but thank you for that did you want to facts in the presentation even with a i will go on it without a commission so it was extremely frustrating and a lot of that pressure ation it it appears to be coming from a few issues f thirty five coming to the airport in two thousand  nineteen and the noise compatibility program leave the acquisitions and then what we're transitioning to is is sound insulation for many many homes in the south burlington community these are all f regulatory function so even with regional this regional discussion these these changes are not going to change because of the regulatory process because they're so it's it's there's there's many this was fraud forward three or four years ago and didn't appear that anything happened with it there was no accusation that anybody fell asleep at the switch either smear i was merely curious as to why it didn't get back to that and of don't control the f a a i don't control them i have really no control i don't control the guard so you speak about new ways i don't control the noise i can't see to you know the thing i can't but the reality is there are managed by the pentagon discussion if you have money extra money and you want to give us a two million dollars a year each community i will do that all day long i would love to have money to put back into the air force but that's not what people often want something for nothing and that's not the way it works is that we need to deal with a straight face telling people and you what are the people of essex say we took your investment and we're no we're not giving it away we're getting something in return and you will put that back in the water services attorney services anything we used to get reimbursed but we think absolutely no money out there and so they're putting in money you're saying is not reimbursed they say they have in the past they've invested for seventy burlington has one hundred percent authority to make decisions and it's the owner or whatever the correct word is why is there governance control seated in burlington and not shared with out haven't doesn't mean that they don't affect us and that's i think where some of this insistence on taking part of our regional governing body comes from it's not all about dollars and cents because life isn't all about elections i think may also benefit you i mean they built without he back up and just so there's some bad blood there but it's good if we spend about sixty hours a month returning the questions and answers the cell phone the communication is quite good we just they don't i don't see a resolution being required in order to be invited to that conversation is their right and for you to say you know every time we have a community discussion like the one we had five years ago you are and you're always in place we always reach out to all off because you can't steal from people to be answers both ways are good and privatization is good so i would be open to any one of the three as long as it showed a return and i got approval from the people in burlington they want to do it i don't make that decision i just  retransmission we think a similar joint resolution with the town of essex would be immensely positive from an economic development standpoint essex is one of the largest communities that benefits from the airport it sounds like a pretty first in a lot of the stuff we believe contracts with that's a that's a really large element of the airport's responsibility managing property ok he doesn't need to have a committee to do that far as i'm concerned it's not necessary it's working why change it what kind of power would have different governments have that they don't have now they have the opportunity to complain you have the opportunity to provide input but the airport still has to manage the operation be a controls how you spend your money your national guard deterred decides how much noise to infrastructure i don't think that's false but you do so if you could just go line by line with this and submit it to greg and you can me and i would love to hear your counter to all these things that to me sounds perfectly reasonable because that would help educate me and i'm very willing to be educated but i don't want to hear you trash this without having the opportunity to take your time and present your side of what these are thank you i'm asking you so if you don't mind i'd be great  playing standpoint and all they need is like word to read of the and the way to let them start doing it to plan is to focus on some town on land behind the investments to start with and then also the town force which is across the stream in the surf if they get through those two parcels they can look at some of the one day we're going to reach out to the essex westford school district which butts the town forest and see if there's potential to go on to their time allows but basically great service update the town's tram so they can soon have a second mike ok any further discussion on that so how we fix with staff time on this because it says they're supposed to communicate frequently with so ongoing discussion about revising the rules regulations of one of the conduct of business since the last meeting here there was a section on emotions and votes number five a conflict of interest as they struck that section now it just refers to the  words conflict of interest policy since the other discussion point last meeting was having some language about the chair acting impartially during a meeting i know i tossed out some language at that meeting it's more research r discussion roberts rules of order says that for larger body is far from the parliamentary sized bodies that chair should remain impartial but for smaller bodies like yourself that the chair can be expected to make make motions speak on speaking in the future that they cares nothing to prevent somebody from from recognizing that they want to turn over gavel at a certain point for a certain issue but this hesitant to actually include that language in the rules and regulations just for fear of stifling comment from a small bird on its right my impression was that the ability of the chair to make a motion to speak on an issue was not the problem we ran into a year ago it was that the chair was shutting down input from people that had counter views and that's a very different thing and i would like to see that language say for us last time which is in our minutes minds three twenty seven three twenty nine and certain that motion  rule of the chair in managing the conversation and ensuring that everyone was given equal opportunity and every  struggled with how to that's why i went back to the o c d and robert's rules to try to figure out was there some modern language that exists of how a chair can have an opinion have a voice and still act impartially  am concerned about how you determine when it's appropriate i will reassert what i've said before that it is a personal decision of the would have to be a personal decision of the chair and not a board i think if we see it happening you know i i can see it's easy for me to say now i think we should call it time doesn't help what may or may not have happened in the past but i am concerned about arbitrary use of it the chair does need to maintain control of the meeting but yes add a couple of other points i think you know we we elect the chair every every april and i think if you if you make it possible for a motion or some other elementary move to take the gavel away from the chair i sit i think number one demeans the entire process of electing a chair in the first place the second of all i just think it would turn feedings into utter chaos  and quite frankly i think you would spend more time worrying about who's supposed to have the gavel instead of taking care of towns first and that that's the bottom line that's why we're here we're here to administer the town's business and i think anything that tracks from that and i believe it's my opinion that this would and you think that the tracks from that is to be avoided so i'm i'm fine with the language the way it is i'm glad we had a couple of iterations through it but at this point i'm happy with the way this is  chair does not believe he or she can act impartially he or she may allow the vice chair to leave the discussion on that item on the agenda there's no compelling anyone there's no forcing anyone it's merely a check and balance that everyone is aware of so that we don't have to go to the steps that we had to last time of having people yelling from the audience you're not being fair you're not calling on me because that to me is incredibly just rough to make i'd rather have an internal procedure on the board where people are highly aware just what happens when the chair is notified that he's being impartial and he can then act accordingly and either admit that he has or say that he hasn't but then clean up his act but there's nothing in greg's language at all  you haven't run you might because i don't want to be putting words in you know anybody's mouth it's in a minutes it's one of three twenty seven to three twenty nine so this is what we agreed on last time as a board and then it was asked for great to just double check and see if robert's rules so now i see this backtracking i was and it's not ok with people because they feel that it's compulsory and i just want to reiterate it's not compulsory it's not making the church do something they don't want it's not up bending the order it's strictly just that i like your idea of back to the iranian cities and towns and asking them we got this this question how should we or is there a is there a recommended language that can go around this is our guy cumin for how we think we as a board should be conducting our business and i just i feel it's valuable to document for formalized that assume phi i understand i understand the points for i do feel and guess i guess the point that i was trying to make was i feel i think this for can govern themselves so if we want to go back into the past again if there was a fifth there was a problem at that time for it should have been brought up at that time for i trust anybody that selects the chair to step back if they don't think they can be impartial we we have that we have that  how much space they will take up you will be able to take notes packets on the tablets and tablets can be connected to home printers now what i thought about some more in terms of the slipper me packets and this is just today's language so that's why i was not in the back of earlier or just for that but trying to ease the transition a little bit in terms of printing in printing basically to give some sam's more thought terms of which you go with kind of practice and going to that point yet so to start off opposing this could change in the future depending on how things go but basically allowing people to pick up the paper packet once they're ready have to come to the town offices do it not going to be nicely collated with different staples in different sections for for individual packets that's what takes travis a lot of time but once that p d f file is merge and ready travis can hit print and you can get a whole bunch of stuff like that so still we're trying to get as the preference from our standpoint in terms of saving and printing costs but again to help you some of those concerns that we heard last time can make available to do  there's a lot of things that we do to turn into political activities and so where do you draw the line there was a lot of wrecked district stuff last year that was discussed here if we were able to read it on a tablet have just happened where the personnel policy you just base this on was breached and therefore i'm concerned that this can be and i just want to make sure that we're all clear about what this means and so we don't think it reached again a question to pull up something on google or a map and do some research that i would be able to do it on the tablet or on my tablet or on the computer so everyone can see it so is there anything preventing you from bringing in your own laptop and surfing the internet i guess not but preparations are coming up so the timeline last week one of the items on the timeline actually for two weeks ago was for the select board to provide staff with suggestions on the capital budget plan articles and overall budget considerations so getting much more detailed reports in a couple months from all the different departments but this is a chance to sort of give some direction to the town and to staff at this point so i can pass on to the different apartments and how to get them going a certain direction recommendations around this because the question of you know how do you deal with the smaller population of younger people in a larger population of older people so that people retire at sixty five get thirty or forty years a runway left process and kind of on andy's point with the aging population for and this use of the senior van gogh and i know use grants and stuff the money t really capture something you know we have to say what's what we'd be willing to give up in order to to maintain the rate if they come back and say he needs to be four and half and here's why i think it's up to us to in general as there is just one van on thursday so when i got home bright and early today and it really are the statistics on when the van is actually running and when it hasn't been running and i think it's just important for us to know that and to talk about it that is one of those things that we're running into an issue with or potentially could run into an issue with because more and more people are using food shelves for my people are  worth having bring the budget session in terms of what the band is doing and providing in terms of specifics and i believe this is in your consent agenda one or two beatings ago the van has been short staffed months but that's sunday shift to driver has stepped out of they haven't found anyone to fill in those shifts but apart from that all the ships of the staff and they have adequate coverage at this point but certainly worth a discussion  faith i know we refer to the van drivers as van drivers but i think we've all seen them in action they're more like ambassadors for our community i've seen the them get out of the van  float groceries and help the people into the bus make some some some simple jokes to guy here in to to make the people laugh so we call him drivers but they're much more than that it's amazing to watch are operating in regards to the food pantry since january it's in the first answer of that paragraph and we can get more into this later but there have been in total of four individuals  have been transported to the pantry on a total of ten occasions whether that july twenty eighth day was three of them out of those ten traps or they were individuals the other six months it's it's very minimal so it's not it's right now the needle is not shown to us we're twelve riders needing to be at the pantry for the two o'clock opening it's pretty sparse so and again we can go into it more of the later but th priority for us for medical appointments and if we were to extend the service on a particular day those priorities would stay priorities with everything else falling down the list and at some point you have to have a cut off of the time of day your service is complete just like we have the issue of town meetings starting at seven thirty in the c t a is is finished around by the time we would be out for in our community so there has to be cut off time and it goes along with any other appointment need to have alternative transportation methods if you are to run late so something to look into were open to  looking into improvements but everything just can't be taken into action based on our capacit we consider appointing five outside the village residence because i think it's highly likely that those trustees will appoint five in the village representatives and i'd like to make sure they're some  remind myself is that representative activity is also very important and when we consistently have committees that have representation that is not equivalent from both halves of the population it makes it really difficult for people from outside the village to feel fairly represented as we just saw recently and i questioned greg about it because this doesn't come up very often but it came up that you max are asked to sign off on something for outside the village only census taking so there are indeed instances where we as a slight forward have to represent just the half of the town that is not the village and i would suggest that this is again one of those circumstances where if we have village folks that we think should be on this then we could talk to our friends on the trustees and urge them that we think that so and so from the village would be a really good representative for talking to don john but i think that public official appointments with the as a reason to go in executive session speaking of bill this is actually part of the recruitment process so would be of official employment as a reason to interject obsession and then in terms of appointing the so also can you touch on why it's a public official employment are they i mean what what is your definition of a public official i single person and the way i remember it is that we as a group were going to select five that didn't mean to me one for her and i think it's appropriate to have a discussion about it so that understand why each of those things in the in the interesting thing too is there's a little list that we got today of people that self selected you know some of the people on my list are on that way on that so i may not even have a person suggested at things about people while we think they're not yeah what were they being on the list like i did i don't recall just one either in fact i think i thought we were to put a list together that didn't have a particular number to it at all that it was just a list of people that we thought should be contacted and that it would be called down at some point later on i remember a little bit of the same thing right we could have a prioritized list and say ok if any of the other the other thing too is the people that we ask to do this we're not of necessarily appointing them to do this we're asking them to do this if they say no to we also  it would seem that that would be only in regards to pat's actual point that doesn't cover you choosing a group of five people to that go talk to krueger i don't i just talk about them certainly not in public no no we won't choose to do all these decisions of who is chosen for this is are always made outside the executive the discussion about how we get there is done in executive session but we will always come out of the executive session to say what those appointments are and this list will be no different got i would just like to clarify because it seems like we don't really have a clear definition of what a public official is for this question are they going to be subject to public records request do they have to i mean to consider would you be willing now you and i think we sent them already to travis but what we did not include is maybe just a short blurb or or prioritize them or a little little explanation of why we think  know they should be considered then leave it up to don to to select from based on what our comments are and then it's avoids this whole nation potentially just and i say may have to do you can make a reach out to the john attorney and try to get clarification or your reasoning i'm confident that we're here now but if i mean to get something wilbur specific start a page one if the words that are put here were not was not the intention of my words so i had my eye strike from so that it doesn't look like a fee will be assessed no matter what and replace it with with as it seems subjective and different difficult to support thank you so for every one eighty nine reading this over even though it said i it's just some minor modifications should address the issue related to insert the word strike the word straight the letter s at the end of chairs and it's not moving discussions forward in its managing discussions in an unbiased way think you at the beginning at three forty six and then this was on the video andy i think you what we want to send there but tell me if you don't mr watts asked about nine the use and kind of during meetings it was confirmed that the internet should not be accessed aside from town village websites or  wasn't a list it wasn't in the sense i mean if you want to know if you could highlight i think you could just say miss cook wanted was interested was interested in knowing if there is or there asked ok so comments yes if a question on the first check or not over six there's a number of these tax payments in advance is that money in or money  fact that some people on this board on the other boards have been extensive changes for example norwich university is ninety three miles away and he's still got including a list of seventy seven colleges that are forty miles from here so just  there were a number of errors in the first round that he had handed this out to potential candidates and i am disappointed he thinks this is final because it's not in my estimation at all so it was still the reference to the legislature and they did say that you know the l c p is there every day and is always available to our legislators but they are often much more swayed by what we say than than what they say so if there are topics legislative calendar was coming up there also we'll see if he publishes a weekly legislative report this is what's coming up this week and then there's also when there are specific bills that may be of interest to it's it was interesting to hear this talkin and say hey i got actually see that the other thing you know when we're talking before about budgeting one in my was a writer a writer right on top of this too they want everything within fifteen minutes  they want to be able to find something the something to do and go home you know they want to be very very everything they want to do so you know that's about well that's and growing you can go to burlington to do that that may not work did they say i asked about that and they said well we want you to read the whole document not just the changes so that was here that was as infuriating that was their response they said that they were if if asked specifically they will provide a track change  like i just want to quickly draw the attention and i'm sure you all read it but the vermont convention bureau there are some really some interesting data here and some really heavy duty numbers relative to the impact that the convention bureau has on the town in terms of the money that is generated by people attending conventions here and if you if you haven't read it in detail or or you skimmed it i suggest you go back and look at it again because there are some serious numbers here and i just i just want to make sure that we don't lose sight of the convention bureau in and what they do for for our town one one quick note the other thing that  s close review i think are the obstacles and i'm struck by number one given the earlier agenda item that we had here limited direct flights influence mid size to large groups especially the corporate incentive travel groups so anyway maybe that is something that we can ask mr richards about because i don't i don't know the answer to that you organizing committee many events require one we don't have very many and there's not a lot of interest in participating in one and i'm i don't know the answer to that one but i think i think it's it's something i'll think about anyway and then the last piece was the chambers worked last year  in stopping a proposal to add two dollars a room that night fee for lodging property sin order to fund various tourism and hospitality initiatives local marketing i think can definitely take five zero now we have the executive sessions to do ok and there are two that we need to do motion number one i move that the slug ford make the specific pacific finding that premature general public knowledge of the such court's position concerning the proposed public official points would place the town at a substantial disadvantage a section three one three eighty three and to include the deputy town manager parks and recreation director and senior services coordinator  session to discuss the proposed public official employment pursuant to one vs a three one three a three to include the deputy town manager second my second ok