citizens input on david brown from the jaycees will be introducing the jaycees summer concert schedule at seven o five i'm going to give a chairman's update which i just generally some things in between meetings and some some quick updates and things to come at seven ten we're going to hear from the new england patriots on the country music festival at seven thirty we're going to have a public hearing on the bruce springsteen concert at gillette stadium at seven forty five we're also have another public hearing on the two thousand and twelve u mass football games scheduled for july at stadium at eight we'll have our third public hearing on the two thousand and twelve new england patriots home game schedule at eight fifteen finance director is going to be presenting to us bond acceptance for the water treatment plant to be constructed in a twenty five will be another public hearing for the change of a manager at the fin lounge which is at the bass pro over on patriots eight forty five kevin pecos will be going through we will be holding kevin's our tom manager's yearly performance review we have a bunch of action items and then we will go into executive session to discuss  you i did not drive i spoke to kevin pecos and he's going to leave me hanging here isn't he well all right is kevin coming to this meeting yes i know i spoke to him this afternoon he was reaching out to d p w director and he was going to get a list of all the polls in the lights because it's getting a little ridiculous and also too when they had the founders day parade on the corner of sherman and comcast there was too many cars there and the place of bio department would not be able to get down the street i noticed on maple they had signs saying no parking on one side to maybe they should do that next year ok two different things the lights i write i am relying on and kevin that i did drive through i didn't see the lights out i saw them damn i just don't know who's poles there on stage lights ok it's gotten to the point people are falling i fell again walking the dog because of the lights  ok and chief can you look into that when you do it for the next year with what has happened we talked both to you the board former chairman about having town council rule on this we spoke at the special town meeting the guy was sitting on the stage i hope we didn't pay him because he didn't give us any answers but he was sitting up there the question that was posed goes clear back to february of eleven this is nothing new it is included in s additions of your minutes this is nothing new it took sixteen months to get a letter not from the source that we had all discussed and at the special town meeting but from labor council the over sixty days apparently it came in and was shelved why didn't i get it march twenty second i know at least one member of your board had it so the question is why didn't i get it because i was one of the main requests for this material moreover i had asked for the letter of incurring from the town council you all know attorneys you all watch t there's always an attorney on every side of a question so the point is with the letter of inquiry it is important to know what question was asked if it was very simple can i negotiate with the town things of course you can there's nothing stopping that but you had a buy a lot of it was passed in ninety six which was never changed in zero four by the town manager act we had a town government study committee if they had completed their job and wiped out a whole series of bylaws because they no longer applied or they left them in because they felt that they do apply we still don't have clearance on it the letter from letter labor council quotes the ipswich case this is a case between the fire chief and the town manager on a personnel issue has nothing to do with the town manager negotiating issue i think if nothing else we need some censure and some motion to identify why it took sixteen months to get an answer why it took sixty days to get an answer to you and to me and bring it up in open session and what happened in the interim we all know that there are bylaws that don't apply avoided we still have the negotiating team what the hell happened to it right back assign the fire contract in zero nine this was five years after we passed the town manager act i'm told by the way  personnel board people they were in the process until andy left town we are told and randy back that backed up kevin that they've done at the new way for the last eight years maybe you need to bring in the way of personnel board querida em and find out exactly what went on you have a few on happy people of the day a few and let me just highlight a closure a very simple item you have town employees negotiating talent ploy contracts with child employees this is right for chicago or boston it's not ripe for i spoke with kevin earlier today when he was over the senior center there's an item on your agenda apparently there's a problem with the fire department and the grievance are we going to mediation are we going to arbitration shouldn't th town know if there's a problem i'm this issue before it's all hidden in executive session he asked me to bring it up shouldn't we as taxpayers know what's going on shouldn't  the fire contract it is on our agenda under executive session trying to handle things we are going to be discussing that under executive session but tonight we're not expect we're not discussing our approach to it what i've asked leo pelican to do is come in front of us and explain to the board how the negotiation process works what under the strong town and manages act is required should a board of selectmen be in there should a board of selectmen not be in there just so everyone's on the same page a few meetings ago we've looked at the strong town manages act on the peripheral saying there's a lot of confusion it showed its head during the casino discussions who had the right to do what is the board's responsibility is it the time managers responsibility is it a you know we're confused as well because it hasn't been tested and i've asked kevin specifically not to participate in his understanding of the town manager exact we've got a board member that's wrapping their arms putting the group together and is going to come back to us and explain with town council what the strong town managers act is i can ask your opinion but it's going to be different from david's opinion it's going to be different from mark's opinion because nobody knows because nobody's tested it we had a past strong time manager arguably people could say he didn't and act his powers we have a strong town manager in every sense of the word that may go too far part of the town manager's review is if you're going to stick around we're going to talk about that as well so you know some of the stuff that you've brought up are spot on what we're dealing with reviews of the police overtime the fire over time you were right on some things you were wrong and some things but it's a process in we're getting now and what anyone else under citizens input our two thousand and twelve concerts series not by coming up and playing an extra men to sing and because we really don't need that much but to come in the ten this is the twenty first year for this program and it will start thursday night we kick it off every year with the jazz band from the high school and the foxboro federal savings bank is actually sponsor and them we have a number of sponsors this year and i just want to get to names and to recognize their support for this project jump in juba i'm saying that right that's on july twelfth actually that's sponsored by the wine fells in mayfair realty victims of gravity sponsored by out to the loves don robins a back again on july twenty sixth spots from another group and on august second we have the infractions dr seeking build is that they do a lot of construction work in town and finally  band sponsored by the learning experience which is a child development center over a chestnut tree so we're pleased to do all this and we'd like to get as you know with as much if it wasn't record attendance it was close to it you know that a lot of the place is sold out of food the scouts did a tremendous job at a dedication ceremony in the morning for college course over at the pain school and then the rec department to follow a couple hundred kids doing a fishing derby so if you want to find out what fox was about a few of you come next year that's just tremendous thing to see and thank you for all those people quick announcement the school committee had a recent resignation resign from our position and the way that the mass general laws work the selectmen and the school committee have to jointly appoint a new member and that member will go for the duration of that one year and then they'll be a reelection so so to let the board kno we're going to have a july tenth meeting it's going to be our meeting we're going to invite the school committee to participate i think there's three or four applications in for that to be appointed as a school committee member if anyone at home wants to apply to be appointed to a school committee position police sandra she has an application or wendy wills at the school department and they can hook you up with an application and hopefully on july tenth we can do all those interviews and appoint somebody that night june twenty eighth of the board recalls we're meeting with the planning board it's going to be their meeting we're going to attend and that's on the to discuss the housing production plan that we talked about a couple meetings ago  warrant parking ban regulations i think that was pretty well attended it seems like you just got a lot of information and you're going to come back for some decisions or some direction  ok and then the board of selectmen initiated the open on office hours on tuesday nights and some want to update is that something that was well received and we want to continue on with that yeah i did the morning session and we had  two ladies came in with some issues and i was able to directly help one lady and then the other ladies being helped by by roger felt so but they they appreciated having the office hours  family only parking lot fluoride tailgating so maybe that's something we can talk about at some point during the cell and then unfortunately dick didn't get the message that we were doing from five to six thirty so he came in before my next meeting at like quarter or seven with a huge stack of papers that he wanted to disguise but wait for that one so i guess whoever is going to be  next month which next month we want to talk about it will be the third so we probably don't want to do that they're so we'll push it off to maybe that's out there or something i know july's kind of a month of people going on vacation but so i i encourage folks that don't feel comfortable coming up here because you know they're on camera or whatever reason they might have to come up and chat with one of us or two of us who have i happen to be you know jenny in the one and then i saw after work so jenna kennedy is here she came a couple of weeks ago to talk about the street lights so she just asked and you were out of the room so you get a chance to look at the lights the polls the ownership the company that does  town owns about a third of the street lights and about two thirds are owned by national grid this is one of the ones that the tunnels and the company republican mount looked at it attempted to replace the bulb and it didn't go on so there's some sort of a problem with the fixture itself they're going to come back out they going to try to figure out what the problem is if they can't figure it out of order to put up a new fixture that's obviously a lot more costly to the town but we're going to get a lot on there one way or the other approximately i nobody knows exactly but somewhere around five six years ago the board made a policy decision to turn off all but every third street light in town i guess this was a budget move of some sort now the one of the intersection i feel comfortable on my own authority putting out one on because it's an intersection is kind of a no brainer it should have a light i don't know how coincidentally it got turned off because the intent was not to turn off intersection lights so that we get turned o but in terms of turning on a whole bunch of additional lights that's really a policy decision of the board because the decision to turn them off originated with the board the issue you'd have to deal with is if you're going to turn on all the lights on maple and whatever other streets i will promise that immediately you'll get complaints from other parts of town where people will say legitimately if you turn all those lights back on what about my lights and so it really at the on that one of the intersection which i'm happy to do pass that really law rises to a policy decision of the board and that's something that you folks need to decide and if there's any kind of background work i can do for you be happy to do it but you know that'll be up to the chair to decide if you want to schedule an agenda item and how the board wants to go so i think that the policy was like every third light light was not so sure there's a written policy but there was a verbal policy  and perhaps even a vote of the board maybe i don't know i'm just asking that there's a way that maybe roger hell could have somebody kind of double check that that is still the case that is everything i do not like last well i can tell you that in the intervening years since there have been lights turned on intermittently here and there where somebody has requested and provided a good justification so i suspect if you went out on the street at night and i'll actually do it tonight on the drive home you're probably not going to find it consistently every third light right but i'm more or less died is that policy that's the policy now remember national grid may do something different that it's a discussion on the new england country that i mean like festival sir do you want it or not bruce springsteen said you wonder and it was still before seven thirty so it's seven ten let's talk about the new england country festival and this is the this is the concert if you recall back in january we gave them conditional approval in basically stipulated in four months come back to us on this date the chief was going to work to come up with the traffic mitigation or traffic plan and i did talk to dan murphy management and operational personnel from the stadium the massachusetts state police as well as police and fire officials from walpole and mr boynton the town administrator to discuss some of the outcomes from the card search from two thousand and eleven one of the key factors at the saturday concert in particular was the traffic jam set occurring and that was a result of a policing strategy to reduce the binge drinking and the time that people would be allowed in the parking lot to consume alcohol that had created problems for us in previous years that aspect of the operation was more successful individually we had fewer custody s on  friday and saturday than we had in previous years however one of the drawbacks was the traffic jam that occurred on saturday so with that discussion in min we did some analysis of different tactics that could be utilized as a result of that we came up with some following elements for the traffic operation that are outlined first the stadium is going to be finalizing a proposal to mass highway to create storage lanes on both for ninety five and route ninety five should traffic backup this would assist in having a storage spot that's pre designated ahead of time to feed traffic onto route one we're going to have additional traffic posts along local roadways to monitor traffic movement and to open and close certain access to town wide call out to all residents about traffic restrictions in the stadium area seventy two hours prior to the friday concert as a follow up to that meeting i've had conversations with matt pro car ski the traffic director for july stadium as well as jeff stewart from the state police the barracks commander that sets up their traffic operation as well as deputy chief contact on one aspect last year that happened that was not anticipated was that the midget football g m barry was taking place on saturday afternoon which brought a whole different group of people into the traffic zone so to speak or along north st pace and rode one forty chestnut street that created further water jams in that particular area i spoke with the president of our local football association he was glad that i contacted him and that he'd be speaking with his board it was his opinion that they would not have any j m barrie or home games on that da because of some of the feedback that they got from angry parents and crying children that they couldn't make their games on time so that should really some of the traffic impact i'm also in the process of developing several contingency plans given that any operation that we do has a potential of not working as planned so we'll have contingencies in place to redirect traffic training conference i was out last week it was really a good opportunity because many of the facilities that have n f l teams are having the kenny chesney concert prior to us and several of them are suburban facilities like ours that will have parking issues i don't think will be like buffalo that has people come in three days early but again one of my goals is to try and hold watts as long as  possible because of the behavior issues but i really stick enough that last year's plan went sour sometime between one thirty and one forty that the roads that had been operating in moving stopped and it took on at least another half hour after the opening of the lots to finally get the traffic moving again so we have to adjust as needed before we open it come to the table or the microphone whatever is easier satisfied that contingency plans will be put in place that's the real key part of this is that the first sign of any difficulty with traffic that the contingency plans become effective and we don't end up with the situation that we had as as you know  that to that and i also thank your board for the consideration that you had as part of the license contingency a license provision that sets this in motion because again you license the stadium we partner with everyone and it has worked very well and we'd like to obviously see that going forward and again thank you to chief o'leary for helping the spearhead this and make sure that the challenges over the last couple years are a thing of the past thank you michael problem i just had a question about the signage package in you know to alert motorists in advance i think that's great just wondering if there could be some additional push to if there are radio stations who will be talking up the event in any way if there could be a statement said that don't come until x o'clock because he won't be able to get into a lot just to reemphasize it that way too to the folks who aren't typically driving through the area prior could i bring up something out of order because i noticed on the actual list your parking lot of applications and i apologize because i didn't realize it was all an action list just to explain something we had a meeting with all the lot the input from the group and sent it back out to them i did not get any further commentary from the board so along with the license that you vote on for the lot of operators they'll have  the regulations if you wanted to make any amendment yourself or that's my fault i did not time it properly but i want to make you aware of and we get very good thanks chief thank you very much  chief for seven thirty we want to read a public airing for the bruce springsteen concert at gillette stadium hearing notice the board of selectmen acting as local licensing authority pursuant to mass general law chapter one forty section one  section one eighty three and chapter one thirty six section four town of foxborough revised general bylaws article five section six and also stadium rules and regulations will conduct a public hearing on tuesday june twelfth two thousand twelve beginning at seven thirty p m in the andrew a college junior meeting room forty south street to review the application submitted by m p s l l c for the bruce springsteen concert concert this event is proposed for gillette stadium application for this event is on file at the office of select and all interested parties are welcome to attend or dislike in foxborough mass thank you so in our package we have the actual application we have the conditions we have letters of what appear to be signed off from the stadium advisor committee the police the fire the board of health any questions from the board concert he mentions for saturday august eighteenth he has played here before two thousand and three in two thousand and eight n p s is the in house promoter for the event so will handle all you know permits for stage sound monitoring several done in house one act show is used as he did in two thousand and three in two thousand and eight parking lots will be up to the chief but we're targeting four thirty p m we will be using put parkway with the proper passes at six p m show start time at seven thirty or request an eleven fifteen curfew he has a general a missionary in front of a stage like he has done in the past so it's all reserved seats except for the twenty four hundred seats and bring in front of the stage really the one one challenge will will have is not much so much for the show but will of the show then we have monday night football and then the concerts  so awesome operational challenges but nothing that should affect the operation of the concert in from the advisory committee and a follow up on that the letter was in the packet write everything glass containers in the parking lot it's at any event in the future bruce springsteen i'm not worried about bruce but others that on the glass ball can become a blunt object can become a weapon and it can be it's awful just a mess to clean up so i just it's always been a concern of miles reiterate question just one more important and this goes along with the complexity of that time of the year there also is going to be some kind of enemy of construction that's happening in patriot place for solar covers we brought that up no fans can get in those areas ok good to know the any other motion or you know anyone from the public eye with any comments ok so the hearing was open to have a motion it's another hearing scheduled for seven forty five just on time the board of selectmen acting as a local licensing authority pursuant to mass general law chapter one forty section one  one and section one eighty three a and chapter one thirty six section four town of foxborough revised general bylaws article five section six and also stadium rules and regulations will conduct a public hearing on tuesday june twelfth two thousand and twelve beginning at seven forty five p m in the andrew a gala jr meeting room forty south street to review the application submitted by m p s l l c for the two thousand and twelve university of massachusetts home games these events are proposed for gillette stadium application for these events is on file at the office of selectmen all interested parties are welcome to attend board selecti mass sure the university massachusetts they've joined the conference so we have a five year deal with you master play the four or five other home games at its gates will open two hours before each game the parking is included in the price of the ticket once we get to twelve thousand five hundred fans will begin a parking across the hall you think will it get to five thousand five hundred fans will park across the street as well p ten we think we'll average about fifteen thousand people a couple games could be could be double headers on oct twentieth will have a new nine u mass game on a seven thirty p m revolution game all the next day with the new of the patriots playing at four fifteen the next day and then on nov seventeenth depending on how well the revolution advance in the playoffs and what's see today are we could again have a two games on the on that day problems that we are props but some of the issues that we had with you mass and u n h with the fans those fans coming down we think this will be targeted mostly to the alumni there's about ninety two thousand alumni within driving distance the chief was involved in talk you know with that conjunction with dan and the concern about you know drinking on the bus and coming in and i think there's a partnership going on not only with the stadium but i know the chiefs on that issue will be located in one area i think we've talked about that and that means that the meeting and i think that's one of the keys of trying to corral some of the you know activity because this is a new type of event we the stadium or in the parking lot of both both  in a very heavy fashion i'm wondering how the board feels when you have certain games on one weekend plus the normal overtime that occurs and it's followed up by i don't know if there's a game the following weekend of the previous weekend a single game or whatever what are we really getting into from a public safety point of view how many outside taiwanese non chinese will be involved in this can we control the number of hours that it's our liability whether we like it or not ok thank you i think two different issues one and you guys have an event you need the security you pay whether however it gets around but you pay for the responsibility for the for the police officers i think the sec the question you have dick is more of a town issue not the applicants issue and that issue is coming up the same thing that we did with the fire department in looking at their overtime and their way of working when to be doing that with the police as well so i understand the question but it's not to be discussed really appropriately at this event it's more of a town issue i believe  not not a town issue but in time and it's the impact on our people and the town as far as having to run an ambulance and they're all tied up in the guys have been tied up for the last three nights you know what does it involve for public safety know public safety is always been a concern it's always been brought up in any meeting that we have for any license to come in front of us and we are just as responsible  s to reassure our folks at least you know i think there's actually two different discussions and i have to agree with the chairman on it but in regards to public safety and we've for looking at this event it's a new  nt there might be some underage drinking we've already discussed it with everybody that we might bring on extra and onces from fouling just to make sure that we are covered with private and onces at that event for that type of situation so that our and onces are not going to be involved with that stadium event so the different acting our community impact both of the safety of the public as well as the safety of my staff and that that is also one of my priorities to make sure that we don't have people that are so exhausted they cannot make a proper judgment which is a crucial factor in our role in the soft society so we monitor it very closely yes we do bring in outside officers because we don't have adequate complement of suburban community to deal with these things but i don't perceive that it poses an extra threat to any of our residents nor the visitors that come thank you thanks you no one else from the public  revised general bylaws article five section six and also stadium rules and regulations will conduct a public hearing on tuesday june twelfth two thousand and twelve beginning at eight p m in the end junior meeting room forty south street to review the application submitted by m p s l l c for the two thousand and twelve new england patriots home games these events are proposed for gillette stadium application for these events is on file at the office of selectmen all interested parties are welcome to attend  much has changed operationally between now and two thousand and eleven more applying for the two preseason games eight regular season games up to two home playoff games in the open house this residence season ticket open house that we have every august the parking lots same four hours before stadium gates two hours same attendance levels the traffic patterns where we try to have the people coming from the north park in the northernmost lots in the same with the self all those operations are the same inflate they will be in place again what's with the signage in cop cooperation with mass highway which runs the highway to the highway signs on four ninety five ninety five and on route one the one maybe one small change we have is that we have a monday night football pre season game this year on august twentieth that mentioned earlier and then just internally we've had a few changes to our internal ring road that we implemented last year to improve the flow of traffic in a benefit to the residents but could you repeat that again and explain that benefit to the residents of being able to come to the preseason though the practices isn't open stuff everyone understands that you know every year we have an open practice that we invite residents of foxboro we have tickets it various we had of various locations we had at the library the public safety building i believe town hall and residents can come and get tickets and come to the open practice it usually in august  coach will pick that dates once we get into training camp and testing things the committee i think the only other thing that we talked about in chief hatfield kind of brought it up was the practice sessions that happens in the stadium work closely with him what's new to happen when you know ten to twenty thousand people show up at a training event which should probably generate more interest here than than other years fire chief has a staffing plan based on different levels and then types it's really needing to know you know is it going to be fifteen years  you know the similar impacts that happen for traffic during the games is that something that we should consider in the same way that we just did that with the other the country fast where there's a large crowd and you know how we had a contingent input from everybody it's like the typical input but i think it's just making it official that we're including w to say to you about probably four years ago michael called me and i went over and met with him and the fire chief in the police chief and they asked for certain details of certain locations and you know the immediate answer was was yes  changed we've had some positive results we for example still deployed d p w workers a couple of hours before games to deploy sides to keep folks away from the neighborhoods and keep them on state number routes i think the  question from lorraine is does it hurt us nobby i would certainly again we're very pretty sure that you considered walpole's needs as part of the licensing for country fast i wouldn't dissipate that if that we'll still have a working relationship with the stadium and again that that's the most appreciative that you would consider adding anything to assist walpole certain thanks mike i saw motion was made second and ninety one discussion i was here to discuss the acceptance of the little bit of the library and water projects bond sale so i have the the bond offering results we completed the bidding process for the offering of twelve million eight hundred ninety five thousand dollars and twenty year bonds related to the library renovation expansion and that portion was seven million ninety five thousand and that's excluded debt then we had the portion associated the oak street water treatment plant that was five point eight million supported by water rates the library project was originally authorized to borrow seven and a half million but this was reduced as you recall by four hundred five thousand at the thousand available water capital funds at the last in your town meeting and due to competitive project bidding so in essence we were authorized to offer these two projects fourteen and a half million dollars and we borrowed one point six million dollars less than that you know for those reasons so that alone the fact we're borrowing one point six million last is even at the look very low interest rates that are being bid here save the taxpayers and rate payers over half million dollars just just that alone in addition to the one point six million that we want we want need to put towards the projects the offering received five bids ranging from two point nine one four percent to three point zero seven nine the busier received on june sixth that's a range of seventeen ncluded roosevelt cross raymond james associates eastern bank and hutchison and shockey early in company we had planned initially not knowing what the market was going to bear and you know what we might achieve we had planned an interest rate of three and a half percent which was still pretty darn good rate for twenty year bonds of this size but by choosing the two point nine one effectively so now we have a net savings to plan and the net savings to the town is six hundred forty eight thousand compared to plan and it accrues in the following way you have the excluded debt library issue so this three hundred fifty seven thousand dollars that you know will save according to plan over the twenty year life of the bond direct savings the taxpayer and then the water for the you know about the community and this is in essence what goes to the investing community and this is what they consume in addition to our rating so it's it's good reading in the i would normally send these out in advance but these th aren't completed until until we actually i just receive these these today because they're interim it's an interim until we get the rating until we get beyond counsel's you know final opinion on these things as to the how they're classified as tax exempt et cetera so we don't get to the final final until until we actually sold the bonds and meanwhile the investment community has seen an interim and then they get the final so i thought i'd share the final with you just to see you have a fear for your reference  percent and so that savings there is six hundred forty eight thousand or so that's good news for us good news and we were already in the in the good news category with you know what time are at one point six million dollars last year so we're you know trying to bring the all is very interesting if there's two more of those on the website finance section under revenue the credit rating we received three and a half months ago and the one reason we received two years prior to that yes summary about the general obligation gives a lot of good background on the town  seen this in the last two ratings but they also have a two year stable outlook you know with this and i think the one caveat they had a song as we continue to come forward with you know with you know balanced budgets  posture of the ad com conservative posture this board and ultimately the people in the town meeting in the hard work of the department heads and police we're now one of the best rated communities were one of the top thirty five rated communities in the state of massachusetts out of three hundred fifty one cities and towns that is a heck of an accomplishment and it really the bulk of the fight really goes to randy in the work that he does to advise us you know a lot of times in order and all that complicated stuff he's doing in the fall when we kick the budget process off your b glazes over understandable but the at the end of the day the result of all that stuff is this and this is an extremely significant achievement translated into dollars if we had slipped just one point we could easily have seen three or four or five or six hundred basis points higher rates which translates into hundreds of thousands of dollars in costs of the taxpayers so this is a scene of an accomplishment i just want to take a moment to recognize and say thank you and i'm going to give this to the press in the hopes that they will do a story on it and help spread the good news thank you probably like a copy of the motion before we make a motion as and when the audience that has any questions you want to add anything entertain a motion by the clerk of the board select one of the town of foxborough move to accept the form of vote as recommended by bonn council and further incorporate that written motion into this one said form of vote authorizes the twelve point eight nine five million million dollar bond offering and resulting sale of bonds for the purpose of renovating and expanding the boyden library and constructing a water treatment plant on oak street to janie montgomery scott l l c at the average effective interest rate of two point nine one four percent and affirms the town's required compliance obligations in connection with this bond sale second section made by  the paving was redone on pace and road sidewalks were in you gentlemen live on pace and pace and road and the question was there was speedily met signs that were put up that said thirty five you are seeing that the traffic in your perspective is going much faster than thirty five just on the town can do and from our side you know we can't just willy nilly change signs what's the process for it so we reached out to the police chief and we reached out to roger hill and just got an understanding of what a sign means the enforceability what dictates the speed limit and you know can we change it still roger put together his thoughts and basically from reading through this the signs that are out there say thirty five it's a recommended speed of thirty five the board has the ability to change the signs to twenty five we think it's warranted it's a recommended speed of twenty five so at the end of the day if someone is going down forty he gets a ticket it might  enforceable but it says twenty five in that is kind of sometimes more important in getting everything to slow down so i have some thoughts on pacer because i use it ten times a day and we do support software but  you jeffrey while i actually live on north street between pace and public safety buildings so just kind of directly in between so i'm just kind of here i know obviously north is a more of a cut through and i think speed is always a concern and now you have in that area have cross walks that are going to have a lot of lane highland farm houses and families there that is put in the sidewalks today actually and you know i think there should be some sort of traffic mitigation was what is the question you know is it a speed limit change to help deter the speed or very difficult you know you had islands in the middle the roads were trees and budgets and there was a year worth of pros and cons on that but with respect to pace and in the discussion from the board questions or thoughts i would and thirty five seems like a little faster that road it's typically thirty and on busy roads at a straighter than that and not well populated if you go down solid street where you go for ninety now and not throw myself on the boss every time i look at my foot on the door like forty miles an hour in a thirty because it's downhill so you tend to pay more attention we get that we located there and i won't have to look at it on cell street hoping is resolved is that when all of the you know i was really involved when we didn't get the real teacher the end words there and things like does involve that discussion and it ended up being the way it is and it is better i'm not going to say that's not just better than it was  but you know one of the things that was promised to those of us which were in the major majority of wanting more major change at the intersection at the end where pacing meets north as a don't worry we'll be traffic calming measures that will be in this plan or in the plan and now we haven't nice beautifully smooth road that cars can travel very nicely done in a very rapid rate of speed and i and i know i've been promised that there's these removal speed bumps coming in but it's just i kind of feel as if you know that was one thing that was said as a quote unquote compromise is that there will be traffic calming measures that will be part of this plan and the whole build up happened in finished work happened and i feel that the lack of the inclusion was not really kind of popular to the neighborhood we had a neighborhood meetings out there saying that we're not going to see if you change that the ten families that wanted in that one person that was leaving didn't want we didn't get that but we were promised traffic calming measures that have yet to materialize and then we get to thirty five mph speed limit sign post up there and i can tell you which is nice i said my wife of the day there's a lot more foot traffic and people walking because the sidewalks which is wonderful well with that comes the inherent obligation i would believe of making sure that we minimize risk and especially considering the fact that this is not just a foxboro issue in that there's a state there's a bill in the house right now considering whether or not we make  community residential speed was twenty five miles per hour i mean there's reasoning behind that there's many states in the united states that have that as law so that maybe something this changing as well and something i've said in my e mails white are why don't we propose to be on the forefront of that i think it's unfortunate that it's not potentially enforceable you know but i think most motorists want to necessarily know that and i think that getting the speed limit change is one thing and i just hope that these traffic calming measures that right they will dobson at this point we're told officially are not going and that's something that i think some people on this board were on that board too and that was that was promised it was about there being table  a reputed cation said was part of the project was in the plans of the project and then i just noticed the rough code went down the final cohen down and then i contacted sharon is like where's the tabletops were part of the plan and really does this for a living but he had voiced concern about the fact that pavement tabletops get torn up with plows and stuff like that and i guess it's just the fact that i don't really feel like there's a reach out to the neighborhood to say oh by the way this is changed in now we're kind of left with then this posted thirty five in where the traffic calming measures that i mean that was that was even in the paper the cortical compromise plan that involved traffic calming measures that was in the press and now we were informed of the change that street now exists with the posted thirty five mile per hour speed limit with more pedestrian people in the neighborhood there's more condos going up there's events all the time down there and so you know it kind of feels as if we've been hit from two sides one with the post at thirty five to the fact that you know again going back to that there was ten families in favor of more of a drastic change and the critical compromise was traffic calming that has now not materialize and were promised that there's some removal rubber things that cambridge has had experience with but i mean i can go search my work email and that was three weeks ago at least with those e mails back further sharon and she has said there will be here in three weeks isn't sharon i'm just saying that i'm concerned that you were being kind of yes to death and things that were promised in literally on paid for plans of the build with then rescinded without the neighborhood knowing and what's going to happen if there's ever money for the completion of the fields involved with even more flow into the neighborhood than there is already of children let alone the fact that overarching there is this larger concept a twenty five mph in a residential neighborhood is a good idea both nationally and in the state house i think you know it would behoove many of us to say we want to be on the forefront so yeah we're going to post twenty five was not enforceable into that state house bill were to pass but at least it's email is that she mentioned cambridge for some reason i guess roger had cited cambridge is having used these and been happy with them because they can room in the winter time and it didn't sound like you know i think of a speed bump typically is when you're going into a hern school with  that thing that's maybe eighteen inches deep and huge up and down but it sounded like it was a rubber i don't know how many feet deep sort of plateaued just made out of rubber about a wide five and six inches you know nation so you know and i would say that too is drastically different than what the neighborhood was told was the compromise that i hoped surely we came in under budget considering that have to build those plateaus times two and you know that's a whole separate issue but you know that was in the build plans and then you know i mean i've been in contact with another town manager and what i do for work and i mean it was his opinion that that concern about quote unquote destroying plows is it's more of a major inconvenience because they have to slow down but they can set their blades a little higher because they know these streets like the back of their hands which is you know still i mean we've but there was always whole thing when are with all due respect when those bill plans happened those had to be considered by public safety and it was determined by public safety that we will allow those to be in the build plan so i feel like that's kind of trying to go backwards on that argument and i mean if you go to major metropolitan areas like alexandria virginia i've been there many times they have tabletop intersections i'm sorry but alexandria virginia as much as your place in foxboro massachusetts in terms are emergency vehicles and if i could say if a major metropolitan area like that is able to cope with tabletop intersections i certainly believe fox from massachusetts should be able to which i said long ago so in terms of public safety that had to be considered at the time that those build plans were made ok i think i get the point i had to go down the detour on pacing road today and i was a little surprised that this was thirty five because i didn't go by little big way forward you know when i first saw the request or you know the email about this i do think that twenty five is reasonable on that street because there is so much stop and go into the different right materials of activity and so different that you know i was totally in favor of putting those signs up once roger said it wasn't something that involved a traffic study or anything like that song i'm fine with that i think the concern really is the additional calming measures that can be done in the meantime or anyway because that was part of the original plan that those traffic calming devices remove the control the planning board ok and i i don't know what happened because if they were on the plan and they were supposed to be built and they didn't i suspect you're right i suspect roger went on air and told them that he didn't think there workable and they must think it's it's in twenty five is reasonable and that it's not it's not a long road that you're going to inconvenience it's not like you're going for a mile you've got a state institutional house that's up there that's not fully occupied or you don't know the full extent of that yet we've got boys and girls vice city sports that they're driving there we've got the youth football we've got youth lacrosse which we're bringing in all different towns and buses and it's a cut them both roads inviting pedestrian traffic so we've got a letter from roger that says this experience twenty five will do it with no additional studies you know whether it's twenty five or thirty it's still probably going to do forty some trees in the middle and it will just start out with an island that proved to be above the budget came out with some platforms like downtown cambridge i believe that's what was on the final proof plan ok sharon was at a workshop when the last paving was to be done for the final paving she heard that an infield change was being construction is under the purview of the selectmen the highway department and then they mr hill made the change per his expertise that there was a design issue he felt was going to be some sort of a the globe and the and the washington gazette picks this up for tomorrow's news today that it's accurate yeah and i appreciate that so you know you guys worked out in that whole area and it's coming down to the i mean it was really you know we worked with the neighbors we had a lot of discussion with them i believe the traffic speed signage issue once again is within this boy's proview not ours i don't know how the how the speed science got posted when the only time that we've really had any discussion on a project with speed limits was when the skating rink going into east belcher and we tried as part of our process tr to have the speed limit changed on forecasts tree and we found out through the police department the force from a shoe and that's what we found out the process and you can post one thing but if it's not enforceable then it becomes a question of can you post it knowing that it's not legally enforceable so and i don't know the answer to that that's a police chief town manages town council decision i mean i know if the tire decided to do that said after market for one last if you'll just a question you said the planning board had approved the final design and had met with the neighborhood to discuss it that was during the site p legation process and lands were and you guys looked at those and so i think what happened here pretty obvious roger being knew roger hill didn't know anything about the discussions and all that he is an engineer who sees the plan in the field challenge not available she's in a meeting and he just makes a change on the spot because he says this is not a good idea is contrary to good engineering standard not knowing that they have been extensive discussions so on for you know that's unfortunate but it is what it is whatever action the board takes tonight to get that done if the board wants some further investigation into these temporary speed bumps will apply to have you guys you so you soon will get there when we have  bubbles or whatever that have proven effective in and roger did talk with us that he's going to institute at throughout the town not just on that particular area so that visually you think the road is or that it is because of the way that it steers you much like i know a street coming south by pace and with a new island it's there when i first went in there wasn't any striping the tendency was to drive all right through the that the piece of paper didn't your put in there on the other hand if you didn't get posted then we are going to have to redo this but i'd take the affirmative less approach hopefully we get lucky and then you got to see a swing at the head not and have forty as a restaurant experience and compassing full alcohol baron wine with no instances to report over the past thirty five forty  family oriented business lot of children we close at nine p m with the retail store so we're not there for midnight one two o'clock in the morning  so we should have absolutely no problem as far as any type of alcohol problems a concern that i turned over to the board for questions mark rain they always you know they backed up enormously we just never get them timely that's what they usually come back fine we hold once you approve it we hold it here until the corey comes back successful successfully and we're sure the license minutes son may twenty second from may twenty second right following on page three third paragraph up as jim develops pointed out that the opportunity to amend the personnel by law was when the town adopted the strong town managers act and i just don't think i requests for extended alcohol service hours beginning at eleven am on two thousand and twelve for the patriots home games on sunday by red robin and they included a schedule of all the loam sunday games  eams you can open the leaven tonight and we may we standardize it for everybody so we're not going to work for a monday night game be open and eleven well they're going to anyways like me so on but on a sunday at four thirty is no reason to start eleven that begin at one yes sunday so i'll make a motion that we have openings eleven o'clock a m for patriots home games that's died at one o'clock resignation letter from robert hicks and bob hicks has been a member for quite a while and i want to read this letter just so we don't pass over it because i think it's significant their board members it was eight years ago that i was honored by being appointed to you by you to the fox per store commission three years ago i had the distinct privilege of being voted chairman by the commission this is been a rewarding experience which i have deeply appreciated in hope to have contributed to the town in those roles life changes it and i am now in the process of downsizing and moving to a new location accordingly last december advised the commission that i would be stepping down following our last meeting on june two thousand and twelve and this letter is to confirm that to you at this point no replacement has been chosen but reassignment of several roles has been made to ensure continuity in particular chris and hubby will take responsibility of the financials and budgets in addition to our current role as secretary forensic will assume the management of our database and with your approval i will continue to act as an associate member until such a time i relocate to that i will do my best to provide a consistent consultative role for those areas mentioned above further i cannot leave without express my gratitude to the town and so many people for their amazing support including yourselves given p and we have a motion to entertain appointing him as associate member which may second it goes in favor i have nothing poing in a committee appointment for frances bell to the national organization on disability for two year term expiring july twelfth two thousand and fourteen and second one any walker for the relay of life relay for life request permission to hold the american cancer society relay for life at the at her school track on june twenty second twenty third that's a eighteen hour walk very popular very first and goal application for eight one day all alcoholic licenses for the two thousand and twelve patriots home game dates so and i just want to add one cabbie out to that if they do like to schedule  stuff so somebody else might be at one away instead right and we don't know i want me to just try to check it and just change the list or do you want me to bring it back to you she replied for more parking for the house to go thanks ok thanks for the few minutes recess i think one of the last things we have now before we go into executive session highs to do the town manager's annual review and a couple things that carried over from the last discussion joint update on the information you just got yeah i was june sandy actually called in she's watching the meeting at home and on the  subject only a motto is also not subject to the corrie check i am incorrect the state has changed we no longer do the corey checks the applicant has to file the paperwork with the request that's why it's in your package  forwarded a b c see they do that who are rechecked and they make the determination of it's clean or not when they review your work so both conditions on the approval and how satisfied that that will be issued and the other thing is on the parking list the reference to want to wait washington is correct the motorcycle business is keeping their old parking lot and they're using it as a parking lot why so the town manages in your review what i wanted to do is let me back up a little bit the reason we're doing this in your review kevin was once a year and be reviewed by the selectmen and that review is predicated on his goals and objectives now the first year we did he in your review is in september ok so it's a little later  and we review them on a set of criteria and then we moved on since that first review we revisited that set of criteria in fine tuned it more in tune to what your contract says ok so if you remember the forty or so goals and objectives for the same goals and objectives more or less some got dropped off some got added on but we took those goals and objectives and broken down  categories supervision leadership execution of policy community relations economic development alignment with the board finance management and execution of tasks so whatever that goal and objective was if it was putting solar panels on the landfill that fell on the one of these categories once those goals and objectives were set you knew that you know the here that stack so once that those goals and objectives were in those categories we asked each member to sit with kevin and go over your review ask questions run things off and then come back and fill out our evaluation linder and i met with kevin we sent it out to the board we have a standard format that each of us had the identical forms you all submitted those to me with the exception of jenny because you want on the three submitted his so the five members reviewed kevin on his performance and the reason that we had allowed to do it was because one larry was a chairman for the complete year and submitted the review prior to the election so he was a selectman when he had contact with kevin and he was a selectman when he submitted his reveal so under those categories we ranked kevan on  outstanding so i passed back to the board last friday where they took verbatim all of your comments and list them with your name under that category ranked them and gave an overall score algorithm to the board i took those that composite review and i prepared a summary which i can go through to evolve looked at each one of our comments and you've looked at it and i can give a summary of each of the topics where i can just open up for discussion how do you guys feel about that i think that we've spoken to counting as a one on one but i think it's important over this last year has been gone through a very to mulch us time to work yeah like the other day and i think we've all learned a lot going to be sitting with selectman and you've got twenty plus years i'm going to be sitting with select means that think you're the best guy in the world that you're going to be sitting in your career was like when that would want to fire you tomorrow if they had the chance and everywhere in between so and ask you when you're listening to these critiques what what we have that you that you don't have is we have some insight into foxborough were elected and we're trying to do what is right for the town so from our perspective this is constructive criticism because a stronger your position is the better it is for the time so  ok i think that all of the information that was submitted was very well done very fair my concern in terms of actually including larry harrington's comments and here is that contractually we are obligated the board of selectmen is obligated to evaluate kevin and this evaluation is i believe should be comprised of are the four of our comments i think having larry's comments on file it's a public document he did file it there i think that's certainly appropriate to have that you know his comments on file but in terms of the actual evaluation i am concerned that if we include those the information from someone who is not currently on the board and we are currently evaluating right now that from a technical standpoint we really are not complying with obligation as a board so i'm not saying not to you know to ignore larry's comments in any way i think you know having them on file would be appropriate i just don't think it should be included in us as the final document it's a real concern that i have long range you know in terms of employee town relationship not so much the relationship just from a legal perspective i larry was evaluating because he had been here for the period of evaluation if you will yell out larry was the chairman of the complete year up until may seventh right he provided the should be evaluating kevan yes i think the discussion was i think from my recollection larry his review had merit ginny's did not actually i don't even think were specifically talking about any i think it was what happens after the election vers we actually asked to have seen what until a commission is kind of chime in and i don't know that they ever did but i know that be picking this up anecdotally but i thought there was some discussion about doing the evaluation after the election as opposed to before in the compromise was it will be done after but it will be done based on submissions before the election so wasn't there kind of an agreement between kevin and the board members that that was how it was going to be done i don't think so no i didn't agree ok so i mean i'm i really was out of the loop on that but i why did larry turn his in before the election no he didn't hear did he give it to you every time he gave it to kevin this is the e mail i got from larry jim here's my already given it to kevin who knows what's going to happen in the election but right i want to submit it so that's what i received she was real time to review this before we move forward i had to put him on the spot  going to we're coming up against that there was something about an extension and when things would be put in and in and i think at that time we asked you for a letter for the file you talk stand it did not provide  ok one of the reasons that i was asking the question is that you know the first time kevin was evaluated and there had been a change in the board and the person who had worked with him the prior year and their input was not included so he's lost any right there you know so that that's part of my concern but i really feel that if i'm black and white looking and obviously an attorney to look at the at the longer sitting in you know they have provided their information is on file that's a public document but i think in terms of the spirit of the contract is ultimately the consequence of the evaluation is to determine whether there ought to be some increase in salary so in that is that that's not necessarily tied to a numerical figure but it's a determination of the existing bo so it might be that if you know whether whether mr harrington's evaluation is part of the process at all it doesn't have a consequence since the existing board's going to make a determination as you know it's sounds like there's a consensus that maybe they don't want to consider is the americans evaluation the existing was going to make a determination as to whether there are to be an increase so i guess i'm not sure what was i stated that many times that i just started working with them and i have no way of valuating him at all my so i mean it would strike me that the spirit of the evaluation process is for those that have worked with him to evaluate consider only how it has of a way to kevan in determining what is really at stake here which is should he be given an increase so i don't see a legal issue in terms of that if you're not going to consider the departed members of a way should anyways but i would feel much more comfortable as a board if you would take a little time to do this so we can move forward cautiously that would be my opinion here is good i indicated to jim that the inconsistency is between the two years of the pardon board members troubling because it was treated one way when you're in a different way the following year  having said that i think to me what's important and what's important to this community is that the board give an indication of where you feel getting  done and where you feel i need to improve and i've got that they respect a little who wrote it i've got that with respect to the goals and objectives going forward what we did last year what we did this year and what presumably i would do now with this is i would try to draft a sort of goals and objectives that responds to the us i e that continues the work that the board find satisfactory and try to draft new goals in areas where we've indicated a need for improvement and the little tricky part there is obviously i wouldn't be drafting goals that are responsive to comments from a board member who's not here because going forward is this board that i serve now i think i can do that because i've got the individual board of those concerns and i so i don't from the point of view of the whole purpose of this to draft new goals i don't have a problem with this from the point of view of what the board decides with respect to compensation and how they treat this it as i said to jim as long as the evaluation of the departing board member was not used in that decision i had no objection because indeed a departing board member can read any document they want and submit it and i see no harm in that and frankly it's valuable to me you know whether the board in determining the compensation i don't know if the board is not going to consider mr harrington's evaluation anyways then you it seems to me you have a match if the board wants to consider mr h evaluation then i think i have to look at it and give you an answer as to whether that's appropriate i just you know the ironic thing is whether larry's review is in there or not the rating system that we have one through five is almost identical some of the statements that he has different than the other one but some of the statements that you know sometimes he's on one side one person's and the other sometimes are in the middle very but the numerical score at the end of the day is not this is not different right so you know again i go back to why we doing this i think we want to add constructive criticism you want to point on the good parts and the bad part rather than you know look at a time line where one member is gone larry more than any of us last year sat with kevin at more meetings more department issues more finance and budget than anyone here so the disc discount that in the discussion and frankly even on the you know going to the salary the contract is not based on if it's a three it's a one percent or three to four right it's subjective but he could get glowing recommendations and someone might think he gets one hundred mix for the compensation question we're not just you know what i'm saying if we take that out to compensate the score at the end it doesn't think this makes a difference but i but i think it's important to have that in discussion because you know for instance if that we're talking about and there's a board member here for that evaluation period and they have a right to submit evaluation to be considered the other thing is it's due when june thirtieth right in no of them later than the first day of i think may what it does it creates a window and the reason we wrote it that way was pushed to cover the possibility that the second week of may the election a board member would leave office who i had worked with for the year so we specifically recognize out of my contract and rolled it in a way to prevent it and for sure what happened is a kind of i think got away due to the events and so larry realized you know late in the game  hadn't gotten done because frankly nobody's fault we were just all very distracted and so he tried to repair that by saying you know we'll get it done now and so had you done this back in march of my contract calls for it would have been the same five people that ended up doing this so it was not at that point kevin and i think i realized that it was going to be a mismatch on your contract terms right and when you got it and we specifically asked you to recognize that in a letter and s to the board to say it's not going to happen by that date because we had a whirlwind of it that stuff going on and it's going to happen in june and that never let letter didn't get written you know in that discussion i'd prefer to have agenda and discuss this with the guidance of our charter and the board members who are in can we submit questions or no i'm not going to entertain questions to go through all this is a public review this is what it's all about we put it on the table i'm not going to go into executive session with questions i think this is getting to the point of you know if larry had a glowing review we wouldn't be sitting in this things fell the other way people are upset about it you know larry has just as much right to submit a review he did it he's the only one that did it on time the rest of us did not he was punctual his review was the most complete some of the stuff i agree some i don't you know there might be angles you know let's face it it was a casino and all that stuff that came down take it all in consideration just as your review had the same slight slant the election the casino whatever larry's did to you know i'm not wasting any more time going to executive session this is it takes a credibility out of this whole process you know if we if we go forward we make a mistake you know we get sued  public document now anyways it's out the document for everyone to read and i don't need copies for everybody if they want to take it home i don't know what i agree with everything you just said i totally agree with you i'm just asking that council agrees with us not going to do anything about my reaction is a sitting board member that sits for the evaluation period has a right to submit evaluation the board has a right to consider them alone and i mean that's that's my reaction to what it would seem to me the office it would seem to me  which is someone comes in and is here for a month and just happens to be here for the time people are preparing their evaluations that really isn't the spirit of it is supposed to be evaluated by those who have seen you in action and if the evaluation is  appropriate because you sat there for the time period of the evaluation that it's appropriate to be considered for all purposes and we also have a cabin saying in open session that he would extend the evaluation period and use paul smith a lot of but he didn't but it is in the minutes that he did extend the valuation period do you agree you are right so that you saying that covers us with the contract and i may require written i imagine you asked for something in writing because the let me help you out here as i've already said i think an expression of evaluation from board members not here is helpful to me whether the board members sitting or not everyone of  represents a constituency in this community and so receiving your input is valuable to me because it gives me a slice of paul's you know part of the community feels i'm doing the job so that's a good thing and again i have no objection to the inclusion of larry's evaluation in this document particularly since it's now a public record so why object to me i also know as a practical point of view w include the evaluation of the departed void number or not there's only two things that come out of this one is your decision of my compensation is going to be affected that's a decision of the of the five of you leaving jenny you participated she's a board member whether you have staying or your vote is up to you yes what i'm saying is with respect to one of the two decisions you're going to make that decision not to depart a board member so i don't have any problem with that the other process that has to come out of this is the attempt to craft new goals that don't reflect what you want obviously i'm not going to write a goal that reflects what a departed board member wants unless that thought happens to be shared by other board members i find by and large that the concerns that you've expressed in terms of the desire for improvement is pretty common among you not universally but pretty common so i think with this document i'm going to be able to craft a new set of goals and objectives which hopefully you'll spend some time reviewing and  it'll be a very successful effort and it'll let us give move forward you know have a good document to work with for the next year or so if that helps and i hope it does ok so i think that helps a lot in the only thing you asked me a question and i'm not of this to move forward is the goals and objectives we reviewed on this lorraine had emailed out i think mark and i owe her some more work on the goals and objectives to mark it up you guys have given her the reins for th objectives we're going to get that to lorain she'll compile it and then based on this review you can tackle the goals and objectives based on this information so i'm comfortable and we've done a lot of work to get to this point and i'm not shying away of getting questions to get to leo i don't think it's necessary and i think it puts an umbrella of what's going on distrust i'd rather have it all open it seems like a tank labor council is comfortable kevin's come comfortable so we move forward with it and forge ahead you're going ok i just want to again say my question was posed because of concerns that i had based on conversations i've had with night i think it's very simple really i got as i said to jim i have no objection one way or the other to one of the board want to have a dialogue with me if you want to have department hadley and you want to have the public way and the the more input the richer the process t beneficial it is to make it so i don't really care about that part of it the only part i care about is that when the decision is made on what the new goals will be i e my work plan for next year right which feeds to all the department heads and secondly your decision with respect to my compensation that that was a decision exclusively of the board members who are currently sitting well we don't have larry to make it just make it ok to make make it larry is not sitting here on the board so that when we do talk about the compensation which will be in executive session we don't have larry sitting at the table or anybody else but as five members to say you know this is what we are we're looking at oh and we discuss so the thoughts that i expressed earlier to jim were that the the numerical evaluation you know if it was consistent more laugh i mean it might be a three point two if larry's wasn't in there it might be a two point it is a two point eight if it is but a couple of weeks ago without the benefit of seeing this and front of me and knowing what the schools were going to be now that i have that and i see that there is general consistency and that with or without that one of it could be a little higher but not dramatically higher i'm a lot less concerned than i might have been before i saw the offset now rank that there's one category that i think would need to be  you call a discrepancy because it's not in line with the other members it's not a discrepancy it's an opinion it's an opinion oh let's all you know next one will to all do threes and that's my brother doing it and my brother dylan and then you know yeah no this meeting is not to talk about salary row that we write that in executive session i agree i'm good now that i've heard you say that you think so i just you know i just you know when we stat we're up here and we start like saying well i had a conversation with kevin and that's great to have you conversations but you know what bring it to the table i don't know how many times i have i'm not going to go off but i am going to say business is at this table you know we've been accused of you know doing things behind the scenes and things like that and one board member speaking to two the time manager without the information coming back that's not right so just like anybody else that upsets me and it raises up the flag to me i'm sure it does to the folks in him so it is this something that's if there's something under the undercurrent i want to know about it you know if it's you know don't just keep it to yourself or between you and lorraine i mean you need to talk to the gym and or someone i  looked at all the other ones it fell into line some of it wasn't nice to hear you know some of it's true some of it's not who knows but it's a it's a board member i'm not going to critique another board member critique of the town manager because that's his right  come the end of this year there's going to be two members they're going to be up we better figure this out now because we're going to it's going to be worse next year you know larry is the only one that did his job on time got it submitted the rest of us let it out you know let it go by kevin never submitted a letter and we're dealing this dealing with this now because of that but larry's the only one that documented his review prior to the election and put it down on paper nobody else did that just so i did send larry mad because he asked want to be a little more comparable and again i started off saying you know we're not professional town managers were volunteers who work with you a few days a few hours out of the  month the certain insight that we have when our phone rings in the years that we've lived here that you don't have so listen to what you might agree with or not but if you can just bear with us cut to the chase at the end you've seen it out  score of one through five unacceptably it being the worst and outstanding you fell right in the middle satisfactory with a hell of a year that we've had with the power outages with the casino with the economy if you come out of this a satisfactory then i think you doing very well and i know many times manages that wouldn't even get satisfactory to certain things that you did well in the certain things that you didn't do well for mark and so it's our opinion once we finish this process we can go into executive session at a different day and we'll figure out if there's a if there's a merit raise based on what we're hearing now just so the public knows this fourteen pages of  it's public record submitted to the board in this coffee's the act but i did as i took all of the redundancy out of it and just kind of took the highlights in went through again from my perspective under supervision you get a two point eight out of five  and we rounded that to a three each one of these categories has the same weight so if you add in the end of the score so supervision is worth the same as leadership as a same as executive order supervision town manager adequately supervise department heads appropriately delegate promote top and to come competency of staff and share collaboration and efficiency hold people accountable manage conflict except i didn't put any names on this but generally this is what i was hearing from everybody recognition for initiating programs and initiatives for better collaboration with in town departments and staff janet wreckage recognise you for doing that instituted regular meetings and outreach that did not exist before several questioned your management style of heap in public praise over and over publicly which is very good however when there is seldom criticism or constructive criticism that management style is very limited perhaps short lived one recommendation was to was to explore an independent evaluation of a management skills however others agreed that there has been substantial change in the supervision and after almost two years you've kept up so that's under leadership  supervision under leadership you got a two point six which we run to three out of the five young satisfactory as a town manager inspire in effect effectively influence others act decisively adaptable have effective interpersonal skills demonstrate a high regard for personal ethics off of practical innovative ideas does he have the courage to deliver bad news when needed this category of always split one a valuation was low two are high and two in the middle the billboard issue was a serious concern and how this was handled at the public meeting with a very public approach to the press and other issue is one day we are in the read about the budget and concerned about the budget and overnight seems like overnight we are cash strong these came from your office and has far reaching effects on the other side kevin's actions during the power outages in amending new policies which have not been done before and  successful bring in high schoolers the score in the middle reflects on an issue that we are looking into which is who should be under leadership who should be in who she has a responsibility and ability to lead is it at the board of selectmen or the town manager through the strong town managers act stated within the review is that you know issuing is kevin's role to take this was it kevins role to take a stand his right to do obligation always acting out of the capacity and into the into the board of selectmen role unfortunately this issue in the fall of scattered the evaluation results and bounced us in the middle although there was clear opposite opposing opinions so again you got satisfactory three execution of policy and you got exactly three out of the five satisfactory does a town manager understand the laws in four dances of the town and cause them to be fairly enforced consistent that kevin understands is consistent across the board that kevin understands the policies and laws thirty plus years of experience in most felt he works to that satisfaction one felt that kevin although confident in his experience should take the opportunity to check with counsel in certain community relations two point four this refunded down to two out of the five and this is one of the categories we deemed that it was conditional and it needs improvement there's a town manager work well with citizens to properly handle the issues or complaints it is readily available to the public does he address their issues timely does he take the time to understand the political ramifications of issues again this is where we have needs improvement community outreach in town has improved more visibility accountability for the time increase communication with community members compared to the first year it has been a drastic improvement but also more room to continue to improve general request  general requests for us citizens log when the public reaches out to the town hall that was asked for by a few people it should be documented as to the issues as well as the good news that come through town the monthly reports are inconsistent as good as fast as positive communication comes it disappeared quickly with the public comments to the press using the press as a tool by the town manager to defend attack make remarks or to inflame a situation is not the way that this town has operated in the past and i gotta say that was consistent across the board and very loud from the public economic development the fifth category two point eight so we rounded up to three out of five satisfactory to the town manager work well with issue this year has been turbulent at best but there has been steps to achieve some of the goals concerns stated over increased fees blixt split tax rate without proper vetting lack of movement on the town asset review committee were comments made  evaluation one member felt kevin exceeded his expectation in this category in balancing it out the rating was satisfactory so you had a little low and a little high on that one alignment with the board two point two out of five  rated at two out of five again conditional needs improvement how well does kevin function under the policy direction of the board does it does he communicate often enough and appropriate details in advance of us reading things in the newspaper is open to new ideas does he return phone calls and emails on a timely basis does he meet with us individually as needed the majority felt that there was much improvement needed in this category emotional outburst publicly challenging member of the board of selectmen at the meetings confrontational and in the press automatically adams that are brought to light by the nature of this topic balance in this item is the fact that there are members that may sit on the other side of the topic and see things as the opposite the majority feel that the committee communication act budget presentations easily understood how well does the town that he have to the budgets as a board of selectmen updated regularly on the monthly financial results that you listened to the advice of the board this was one of kevin strong areas although there were concerns about the information regarding going from bad news to good news seemingly overnight the programs focusing on cost reductions in town budget was very positive last one execution of tasks three point four which is three out of five satisfactory how does the town manager act executed against how has a town manager executed against his established goals and objectives you specific as to where he has exceeded or has areas of improvement areas to improve says kevin's highest category the valuation kevin has worked hard to tackle the tasks that have been given to him over all the board of selectmen felt that he has taken on too much and someone with as many years of experience should be able to know when to push back where the pile will keep getting better and i think generally that goes to the forty categories and growing forty goals i wanted to read a couple of the accomplishments again with no names but generally these are the sentiment some of the accomplishments what do you feel at the top managers finest accomplishment handling of the town the storms last year addressing the health insurance and loss management costs the fiscal two thousand and thirteen budget preparation meetings with the seniors national grid in the storm strong negotiating skills provided meaningful team building one member thought bringing roger hill to the fox to fox from keeping on bob swanson and along on it it will pay off well has shown great leadership with the disaster national natural disasters give the fin speech at veterans day i've ever heard should be the guest speaker at memorial day what do you feel other towns manages three strongest points financial skills knowledgeable of the impact of insurance programs innovation and willingness to try new ideas looking to regionalism regionalization very no knowledgeable overall time management reasonable advocate for the employees communicates well with the finance department established budgets and health insurance works well with most apartment heads improvement what do you feel are the three things that the top manager could improve upon leadership skills communication skills ability to work collectively collaboratively with others always keep foxborough in good light with the media don't let politics get in the way of advising the board reach out to all board members when in a quandary about  situations perception of presence at town hall try to be less emotional in dealing with difficult encounters use less personally try to avoid media refer townspeople have not embraced him and feel slighted kevin needs to sell this relationship with them kevin's done better than last year letting the board of selectmen debate the issue but still needs to improve townhall is a problem with personnel many people still feel still feel bullied and have no trust in leadership and then there was additional comments which i sent but i don't think there was anything in the additional comments that were out of line with a lot of us go through it so again  areas of self needs improvement overall if you add all eight and you do the math you get a two point eight which comes into satisfactory meet selectman is expectations with the understanding that there were some highs and lows to that balance it off so i thought it was important to get on the table not to go into executive session because i think it was a lot of surprises that the public needed to be about great job putting it together this is really hard if you want to put you on the spot but let it go if you want to it's just just two comments on number one i certainly agree with you presume to do that but it has certainly been a learning curve for me it has been in my career probably the most challenging year i've ever seen the boards  work on this is clearly you all work collectively very hard on this and i were very much appreciate that i had it is always difficult to listen to yourself be criticized in public but that's members for me it is absolutely clear that what this community wants in the coming year is get less of me speaking and a lot more of you speaking i hear it i understand i hope you've been watching the last three or four meetings i'm trying very hard to do that at the same time the time is you have certain responsibilities that i've got to discharge under the under the charter of the strong manager act and so i'm trying to learn how to strike that balance better i would very much like to be what you'd like me to be because i love the work and so would love the satisfy you i will not satisfy every one you all the time and i certainly won't satisfy this entire community seventeen thousand plus citizens all the time that is not the nature of this job and i think you know that but i will try my level best to continue improving i appreciate the fact that the board has offered some encouragement in places where over improve over the last year in response to your guidance and areas where you want to see me continue to improve and i'll do my level best to do it so thank you a productive process and i appreciate all the work you've put in on this thanks very much and i think the next step is i come back to you with some new goals and you take a look at them and that will be a combination of the ones that we have now that are working and i think you value and want to project you want to see worked on and some new ones to try to address some of this and we're working on not i don't know that you've given me a timetable but i'm thinking two or three weeks something like that i think you might have it backwards because we've got this on the agenda i think at the next meeting for the goals and objectives i don't know what i was thinking out loud lorraine is putting them together we're going to give you our goals and all actors you write you're going to give me some stuff for great but i think what we're all you're also hearing in this is if there's too much on there which back and say this is ridiculous you know i don't want to we don't i don't think we want to stuff on you and then you say you need five more staff members to do it do it you can handle but from your experience pushback each year it's just going to build on and you know nobody likes to look at that excel spreadsheet when the seventy things and say in process if it's doable do it if not it's a can't be done or you will change it but i think that's the next step