common fence discussion seven fifty roger hill now to monaghan speed limit on facing road and if you are home watching that could probably go up lower early unscheduled discussion route one satellite parking lot owners that is not going to happen tonight at their request so i thought i saw his tall airy standing here there's no need to hang around for that eight twenty p m which will also probably  was here at the last meeting i was hoping to speak but i had to leave before he had susan's import basically over the last couple of months reading we read the report are watching the meetings i just couldn't keep my mouth shut any more i have come up in just pretty much urged the board to hopefully to see more objective board i know the issues with the craft organization are difficult and there are other towns that don't have to deal with the issues that come with licensing and what goes on with having stayed in their town but where there are can be difficult times we happen to be very lucky that our town is not facing the cuts that other towns have i have friends who live in the other towns and their kids are paying user fees for sports and they're cutting teachers in right now we haven't had to have those things and a lot of that is because the stadium is in town so what i am here to urge is that hopefully the board in fact even the craft organization can can to try to come to some agreement i know we all what we all want that to happen but it just it just seems as a resident i don't know if the board realize this but it's times you come across as obviously biased and it seems like anything that comes across from the craft organization or patriot place is just faced with that much more of a hardship to get things passed and you know an example i want to cite is that we watched the liquor license transfer  and joe's very easily and we watched a liquor license for a grocery store a patriot place trader joe's go through meetings in meetings meetings when the liquor is something that they say they provide but that's not what they're known for and you know as a resident we're seeing these issues on and on in i don't know if the board realizes but there are many of us who don't come to the meetings who feel this way and i just felt like it was time to come up and speak and you know another question i had was i know we just had that road race that went on up at the stadium and i was the last meeting in what i didn't get to stay and finish i watched home and i didn't hear you know we issued a license that was an event up there with tens of thousands of people there and i'm assuming our deductible went into place that no i don't want to place the end of june so our police up there with the if there was a civil right was there anything we could be sued that day ok i was just assuming i know there was a third party that asked for that not the crap even though they host asked for that i'm not sure then what we were covered liable wise if somebody had been p c up there instead i just figured it would fall under the same as any event that goes on up there but i made i stand corrected if that's the truth i'm not sure what we will come insurance wise than a vent that took place up there but anyhow it just seems to me that the craft organization has to do cartwheels to get anything done in this town in where i know there is hardship with what we have to go through with out up there we are also lots of perks and lots of money and i also the parent of a child with a disability who requires special in town in and i just feel that we're lucky that the town's been in such good financial shape in i just hope we can continue that you know and i'm not worried about losing twenty five thousand for a soccer game i'm worried about if we don't issue license the millions of dollars that we receive over the course of the year not just want to vent that doesn't take place up there so i urge him that you guys really get together and also i know i just want to make a note that gray i just noticed that i know you came into a mess because you weren't a board member before all this i was very impressed with your willingness to come up with a number other than just the deductible number of the other night i know didn't go through and i know you guys had negotiations but it did come across is willing to reach out the all the branch and maybe meet somewhere in the middle financially that worked for the craft organization is well is the town i mean by i want see the town town prosper and i'm not thinking we should just hand over deductibles but i really think you guys need to find a way to make everything work that's been posted in all the board will take that up because when i open up a public hearing right now see the board wants to appease that ought to request and we go one minute to go before that right in chapter one thirty six section four title fox for revised general bylaws article five section six and also stadium rules and regulations will conduct a public hearing on tuesday july ninth two thousand and thirteen beginning at seven ten p m in the andrew jr meeting room forty sols read to review a time change for the event end time from eleven fifteen p m to midnight submitted by n p s l l c for the bon jovi because we can to a concert  proposed for gillette stadium all interested parties are welcome to attend for the board of selectmen john gray clerk eleventh yes before we do that is a you this is the week that i was away so i came today because of last week was all screwed up i will be a thursday and we have a core yes i'll be and there is anybody recording this meeting in the audience if you do i is nothing wrong with that i just need you to notify the board that we are being recorded because it's just a courtesy ok if you want to do some so for the record i'm sharon watson i'm the town planner i'm here the c evening to ask for the select men to consider signing a application form an authorization letter for a park acquisition and renovation grant that the planning board is submitting to the state on behalf of the town this is specifically for the pace and road recreation area and i put on the far board the original plan we were very fortunate that the three developers mr king mr atocha and the bin co group did as much work as they did before the economy went south for lack of better words and we've been working very hard with the new development had cities to move the project forward but as prices have gone up we haven't seen the kinds of monies that we previously saw we can apply to the state for a grant up to four hundred thousand dollars the town will receive fifty eight percent of that money we have to put up forty two percent you have one hundred twenty seven thousand dollars in donations from the developers the bank and others in the pace of road area we would respectfully go to town meeting through the f y fifteen capital budget process seek another forty one thousand dollars the state share would be two hundred thirty two thousand for a total grant amount for four hundred thousand the cost breakdown approximately forty three thousand dollars for design and engineering in f y fourteen the remainder of the money will go and if you would bob please put up the white board  paving the access roads and handicapped parking spaces in the two parking lots the areas on either side of the new driveways into the baseball field parking lot which are now filled with piles of loam and tree clippings and everything all that will be cleaned out it will be leveled loaned and see that it won't be built to the degree of finished athletic fields but it will be suitable for informal play and certainly younger children to train on the adhoc road which now connects the two parking lots will be turned into a handicapped accessible path and there's money for additional equipment in the top lot the sum total of that is four hundred thousand dollars and we think this is a great opportunity we think it's a very competitive project we are very fortunate that the conservation commission completed the open space and recreation plan which the state has approved and makes us eligible fifteen budget from the taxpayers that's correct the first year f y fourteen which begins last week it is for design and engineering is the money we spend and then the subsequent years when we do the construction so the timing of it is such that we can go through the capital budget process to get what we're asking for the town share of the ma know it's a great job sharon and this is a great asset to the to the town and i really thought all the work you've done well i'd like to we met with the conservation commission the recreation commission the commission on disability we held two meetings in the neighborhood we have a survey that's available to the public will post a link on the planning boards home page tomorrow and it's scarcely a planning board project i think the whole town recreation  commission has been incredibly helpful it's been a real all hands on deck effort so that makes it even better thank you same sentiments thank you the donations from those are the original special permit stated that when certain thresholds were reached the developers would have to perform certain work in an effort to move the project forward the planning board instead accepted cash as the share from several of the developers in the project so they're locked in their locked in not know we have it already in an a cost take down the laundry building it's a minimum of sixty five thousand dollars given what we felt the priorities word to get the area cleaned up and to get it accessible and  usable we didn't fit into the four hundred thousand dollars maximum amount we will include it through the process as an optional item in the bed who knows but that's our hope i have copies of the plans if anyone in the audience would like to see what the selectmen are looking at the question is the parking lot so is shown here going to be lit at this point no w i would think the top lot lot is so close to the homes that that's probably not something desirable to be let anyway driveways and the handicapped parking spaces if we pave the entire lots would have to deal with storm water management and all what we're going to stabilize the dust surface put down gravel and fill the potholes and more money do they have to pony up some funds to continue these projects they do both for affordable housing and for the recreation area you there been any discussions about not security cameras but a lot of people come there late at night you see them pulling in you don't know what they're doing so as far as that lighted question definitely in some ways against it but in another way i'm curious to see if there was any sort of you know security concerns that you guys are going to consideration because there's going to be a lot more traffic over here now and there's a lot of cars that in that particular area where you're not going to actually paved they just come and spin out just for fun to play one that has not been brought up as an issue one of the work items it connected with the cleaning up the piles of loam is that there now that vegetated border the way it was done in front of the tot lot and in front of the ernie george field so it provides a screen but isn't so dense that you can't see through it so it's not going to feel as secluded back there once that's cleaned out roll i'm sure the police can be asked to patrol the area once completed i'm sure they are actually i know they already go know anybody else want to be heard great thank you thank you very much we appreciate all your help the we started looking at this a while back we were down to a single casting that's remaining from the casting that were built about thirty years ago and we we have been on a mission to try to find a foundry that was suitable to be able to handle a big casting like these fancy castings and do it right and we were really fortunate to find an outfit out of midway that can do the big casting that are willing to do it and have quoted us price  milbury i'm sorry and we have basically three castings that have to be made of course the basic fence casting is the big long one then there's a center post that has to be cast and the last one we do not have the core four that's the core that was lost by the last foundry that cast parts for that fence so when these guys looked at it they said they they would quote a surprise to build us a new core which will last forever and ever as long as we can we have charge of it because the cores are worth way more than the casting or that he's talking about is the the cap it's small but if you look at the prices around twenty three out of box that central pattern make and i have that made and whitman big heavy loads and you need all the whole crew to push the sections in but they know how to do it they've done it before watching the three sections that are damaged right now actually there's more there's i think there's four sections that are that are things could go up although we got very attractive pricing on these the twenty two hundred dollars isn't much more than they paid thirty years ago so i felt it be a good idea to have enough cash so that if we have to use some some of the new stuff we'll still have some in reserve for a long period of time and we'll keep the cores just like we have they'll be protected inside the highway garage and if if somebody else comes along thirty years from now and has to have more made at least they'll have the cores to do it same thing with the posts there's quite a few damage posts we're going to try an experiment to try to pin a couple of the posts back together to see if it works but neither dave nor i has been super happy with the replacement post that that we've been supplied with by other outsiders so we we made a drawing of what they have measured drawing of the post sent it out to the to the proposer so that they could all bid on the same thing and we  getting back exactly what the original post looked like so i think it and we're looking to buy one eight of those oh yeah so you know with what we buy was we used five or six it was right away right away like that but these are relatively easy to get compared to the castings the outfit that i wanted to go to fletcher has been out of business for three years but i did get three good quotes one from orson begs and one from simmons and then the the one that was low was from williams and williams as they're basically doing what fletcher used to do they basically supply all the granite for mass the o t and just just to reiterate we're going this way because as jack i thought said a few weeks ago we're trying to recreate the historical significance of these events it with materials right so we're going with cast iron right ok and if just so for a matter of timing when could this foundry get started any time when would we need to find the money and what would be the mechanism for of finding the money first of all and then finding a way to move it i think so that we could pay this phone i think the idea would be to get together a group of like bob cutler randy myself and jack and kind of discussed funding mechanisms and there may be some funds available that you have control of the board ha control of brand he knows where that stuff is i have no idea but with the four of us we could probably come up with some sort of a but the reason i ask is this something that would have to be a warrant article that would have to go to a fault home media would we have to wait that long  weather's a little cooler for us you know to me you know if we could if we could get this stuff made done and we have some time in october that to do some of the work we could do some of it you know and then hope for it to try to finish it up before a bid until you have a fund a funding source and that's why randy was going to meet with bob in new and come up with the funding source and if they can't find it right now they may borrow it from somebodies budget and then do something it fall town meaning to replace it i mean this things that can be done biz long as we can find the funding source relatively soon come back have the bush lukman accepted then they can start doing the work  correct to roger now twenty thirteen is gone ok twenty fourteen is no but you know when you do a budget it's always allocated you know advance and correct you never know whether you pick the right numbers and not until you go out do the work but when we feel like we budget as tight as we can budget will work in progress and it's one of the things we're coming to get completed we're going to get it completed you know using them in the specifications seem koreans close by so i mean you know we'll save money by delivering them back at ourselves picking up the materials ourselves so you know we don't have to go to you know there was other places in the midwest and right see you know if it's just great to get this on track i mean right now the numbers are high because you're getting eight sections but it's the only practical way to do it is to to get some in reserve because who knows when the next one seventy two a citizens initiative to restore it but historically then the town takes over and does his part we can always go back to private citizens but but i think we're very very it's for a couple of years here i saw more him that my family you know i saw but the thing is i did that highway and entry impact in particular when you look at the job they do around this town on the public propert limit i've only been in the neighborhood for about three years but libya and mike had been in for almost seven if not more than seven in june of two thousand and twelve we came to discuss the speed limit which was posted once the work on pacing had been completed by harding we discussed the fact that have the town manager look into the installation of two traffic calming platforms which were included in the approved pacing road reconstruction plan on these platforms were never built although they were budgeted they were approved for by all necessary parties including the planning board and they were promised to the residents of this neighborhood roger hadfield spoke to mike and i after that meeting he made it clear to us that he had posted bumps but strongly supported these pavement platforms it's been over a year now and we've been patient we have tried a visual effects such as mass but i think i have a department took it before i could bring it home that's my personal thing going here put on your garage and i just want to so obvious ten attempts were welcomed by the community and they were given an opportunity to be successful but they were not successful sharon who by the way is nothing short of remarkable as we saw earlier today sent out a survey in november of two thousand and eleven which of course fill out those results were overwhelming and not surprising with respect to the pace and wrote in your street residence the number one issue that was reported were sidewalks that was fixed they are great we are thankful for that the number two issue again back in two thousand and eleven we are still waiting for and that is the speed at which these cars are driving and the pace and road in the street area not as a side note last on the small sample size was forty one point three as you can tell this is not something we're i i'm using and that's all right so what we thought we could do is just kind of before you get into the house because i think you know he said was there but this is really more of a neighborhood issue north and just the whole situation that we're in with my skin to join up with the increased president plus traffic it's really become the live work play community that many of us were sold on and i don't think we were sort of a look at what we may be down it has become that you've got chestnut green you have the playgrounds and we all live and truly are becoming a community but when you take a look at the it's grown and it's continuing to grow that it's not just a town destination that's an area destination and north st especially as a space and becomes a cut for for those who are coming from different areas of the local business expansion and it's great to have the office as a chance that green and to have the restaurants and the shops and we want to them as a community which is part of what we all wanted but it's both a walking and driving neighborhood destination as well and that coupled with the enhanced community the sidewalks that were mentioned earlier has been an awakening i think for all of us in the area you actually see people out now and we're all walking to each other's homes and we're walking to the playground and it's great but i guarantee every person who's come to support th has a story to tell about their harrowing experiences whether it's more streets for peace and that they've had with themselves their children and their grandchildren and i'm not making this up tonight i swung my house on the street to brush my teeth and i figured i should before and i'm not joking and i cut my brakes on to turn into the driveway somebody went to my left over the bubbles and almost went head on because somebody's coming up the hill on the rumor tracks was going fast and they all had to slam on the brakes i'm not making it up i swear and i was like oh my god you have to be kidding me so obviously a lot of growth but i think we still have to address the issue if you look on the next slide it's just really telling as you kind of map out our neighborhood truly where we've had such growth this doesn't include chance of rain or that i wasn't able to get ahold of anybody fifteen counts obviously you guys have access to that from a town standpoint a sense of standpoint so you know when we look at just how much it's grown and if you use an estimate of three people per residence in the growth that we've seen it could be at least two hundred twenty people that have been added in our neighborhood obviously there's more and there's less we've had because that's many of us have moved here and stayed but i think it's just telling that it's growing but the traffic and the safety issue hasn't changed with some of that race so kind of moving into the last light of how we're framing up our ask here is yes we've made steady progress and you guys have been very receptive but the additional medication for safety is still needed we've done the repaving the grading and the intersection that cross and he said also was improved which has done some helping the bubbles have not worked we did agree we would try it and we were open to that you know but it hasn't helped and i think the sign getting mangled and run over along with the woman who ran into the telephone pole because she was texting all of those things are telling what if one of it sounds so not only other stating you have to literally stand physical in the middle of the road with your children and hope that they stop and they do go around you which is horrifying when you have young kids that are with you know what was removed we talked about some of the calming measures that came out so what is the ask this isn't just about this is a neighborhood ask that we are coming to you guys for it's homing measures on peace and it's calming measures on north and it's possible that the long lane enough to slow you down but it's not enough to rip out your suspension and i can't tell if the removal i try to get on my car but i want to get hit by somebody when i was trying to inspect it but they have plows they have emergency vehicles and it's a residential area with ball fields as well and then arlington virginia you know mike and i talking that's a great example they have them everywhere that's a major metropolis there's a lot of vehicular traffic lespinasse from traffic so it can be done and that's what we're going to ask you for is what can we do with our next steps in helping to bring the community to the next level because obviously with the improvement on the field who are making the progress but we have one more step to do i'll just throw another piece from my talks i mean live is talking about the residents in this area because these fields continue to grow if you continue to improve the fields and add to them your talking about lacrosse baseball softball football soccer all of these kids are coming to this area this is sort of a new destination and you're and many of you are familiar with me as have been you know down here over the past i think just six years i've been talking to the board about this and you know hitching on to some things and live and matt have said  piece and i know the planning board to come up with a roundabout which was a really really unpopular idea for many in the area and though the planning board to their credit made clear that was the safest they they did  also comment that you know after the fact what would have been the next safest was the t d intersection the separated place in from ending cross from cross street which was i think as the record shows nearly the entire neighborhood unanimously in favor of it and it didn't happen because of the objections of a party that is in a resident anymore where is that all those families are in favor i can say for a fact are still here with children growing up in this community with that being said an effort by the board mitigate some of those concerns about what was our desire to change intersection make it more of a community down the pace or on the field area of this community we were promised in the final plan for the re design of pace and and budgeted for the speed tables and the record also shows that the speed tables were removed in a fashion that with all due respect roger didn't happen the way that it should have occurred in terms of going to the selectmen before such a major change in that repaving and finishing of pacing occurred  therefore eliminating what you know was our kind of what we were resigned to in a way after we didn't get the t d intersection to to say well at least we have some speed tables that was going now gone as well and i think that we've been extremely patient because at that time when we didn't get the speed tables they said well the streets been narrowed with the with the decrease in the with the pace and from i think thirty two feet down to twenty five feet you know that should work and that has not worked and you know coupling this with the vast growth you know to be honest with you it it's challenging to me to stay calm about this topic when i feel as if we've been extremely reasonable and terms of coming to the board each and every times has come up in good faith to try to come up with a way  that this neighborhood will be viewed in that way and not be viewed in a way that used to be dense forest major cut through i understand that and i understand that we are new to this area but i also know that we have shown and we plan be here for a long time and this is a neighborhood now it's not a cut through and i think that it's inherent upon the town and the board to view it in that way and finally take the steps that have been promised in the community that it is and i think it's great when those events down at the fields and there will be more events as this area gets cleaned up hopefully with the grant if we get it but you know we're here tonight to try to represent  again a young community that really loves this town and has love the roots that we put down and are going to be a very very long time and we're you know hoping that we're moving vastly forward and i  day for the highway department but you know i hope this is truly low hanging fruit to actually change the viewpoint of this area as a neighborhood and take steps that should be taken to make it safer and i agree with live you know i know that a lot of the focus has always been on pace and but north street is a nightmare and you actually feel the suction of cars when they pass you and i have three young kids and i will tell you this evening out all the time walk the kids crossing the lot over the lot and land walking around a lot lin and you know i don't see any reason why there isn't crosswalks number one and number two why not throw stop signs up there in every major city around the state a major straight line thoroughfare there in new been there in brookline there in downtown boston put stop signs up why not you know that set backs from those houses especially the cross walk that's at the or what would  area in terms of noise and that speedway needs to be broken up as well as the fact that pace and is a nice smooth road that people love to fly down in this be more children come in this area and there and then and then the edging of the curving itself which is where the water goes in and in the summer and in the winter the water freezes on the uphill side of his feet and as it freezes it freezes and blocks that water away from the water on the high side to get to the low side and that's what happens every time you try to put these in for erin if you want to steven upgrade the water will continue to flow but that area w where they had been designed was very flat and i talked to jim about this and you had the same thoughts that i did time we talked about the reasons why i'm not against them but what i'm saying here is they need to be in a different spot than where they were set up in the first place with regard to stop signs we all know i think all the selectmen know that a stop sign is a regulatory sign and requires that warrants be met and at stop signs be approved not only by us but by the registry of motor vehicles and mass the o t before they can be installed and stop science have positives and they have negatives and negative is that they they actually create collisions because people don't observe them all the time when a car stopped the guy thinks he's going to go right through and he hits the other guy back in the positives are that they do really slow the traffic down because that's what they're designed to do in big cities where they have tight intersections that are close together it's very easy to obtain warrants for stop signs but out here it's not so easy and the police can enforce them unless they are warranted unless they are built according to the standards that are required so just putting them up as is probably not a wise idea because we won't be able to enforce them in court we'll lose every time we go to court however that doesn't say that you know the board can do what they want to do with signs if you want to throw up signs that are on the forcible it can be done i would encourage it because you'd incur a liability from potential police and things like that you know that's that's that's the soft side issue i'd like to see i'd like to think that talk to the planning board about possible alternatives like the removeable plateaus and i don't know enough about those to give you any kind of a report on them i can tell you that if they are removeable that means manpower at twice a year one in the fall to take them up in the spring to put them back down and we don't have a lot of manpower highway has seven people written out so it's not easy to be able to do that and the other thing i can tell you for sure is if we start doing this it's the tip of the iceberg you will happen people in here night after night on lots of stories that lots of streets and you know you know that so you know i'm not opposed to listening i'll be perfectly willing to work with the with the folks up there i'm sure of that wou be i'm sure the planning board i think the planning board has some ideas that might work so maybe that's what we need to do go forward with a spirit of cooperation see if we can come up with a system that that's workable that but you know it but not impossible i think that we want to continue to ask oh you can do things on beach street i did want to you know i didn't want to address the crosswalks and the only reason we didn't paint the crosswalks when we did nor st is that of lane has to build their sidewalk and their handicap ramp on their side of the stripe for us to be able to paint them they're almost done they're getting at yeah and then we won't have any trouble paying the walks i still don't think people will stop i have had people go around me with my four and five year olds on bikes they don't even stop on the common we have got a mystery and priority so i think what we're asking for is we want to reopen the discussion and explore i think we have our biggest fear in this community is we're going to come here one day and say we told you so because somebody got seriously injured there is just so much and i get it then everyone comes with their hand out i understand the manpower you know i get similar ass in my job i only have so many people but there's got to be a way to find a solution and you know in hindsight the neighbors worried about lights and windows and everything else and now you've got to still get the highway on your street is no doubt about it and we all get a check ourselves in a boy's i mean we're going down while you're busy and you looked on the wall doing forty yeah you know and you slow right down it's easy to forget your busy day but but over the railroad tracks i mean that was mass highway engineers there and he then said that was the best scenario i don't know we go back to that because our house is in now obviously it's  so that was there was a right doesn't bend in bringing up and i think we have always come here in a spirit of cooperation and you know i want to underline that point that i think we've been extremely  cooperative throughout this process to say the least and you know in terms of i don't want to have something drawn out there like we need to petition to get it stop sign oh well then we don't do it i mean then let's find out the process to go through i mean i'd be more than willing to do that like to find out what the petition process is and try to help facilitate that because it's it's important and i don't think that lastly that you know the board is here to help the community become a better community always and we should always be seeking to get better and if that means that there's many other areas of our anything that comes with are critical to handout then so be it because it's always in the spirit of trying to make a better community and didn't endorse of it said hey it's a pretty darn good idea to offset across from hayes and pretty darn good idea that didn't go through either because of one voice versus ten families that are here still for the for the life of me i will never understand that decision that was a five nothing decision against that you know and so then we were promises for that all you're going to get speed table so i think we've been extremely cooperative in understanding and patient and now what we're looking at is continued evidence of significant growth which on top of the significant growth in the immediate community bringing the people of will come to these nice view areas we're happy to have them but we should be doing in the fact that we need to be doing something to make sure that we're being safe in those that come in in this area are can assure that their children receive those that live there that walk down there i'm sure their children  safe and you know we continue to be cooperative understanding but it's something that we need to move on after this being over six years of talk you know i mean my last point to that similar point is we've been talking about this too long like i did say at that meeting sometimes we have to look at things as the eighty twenty rule i do believe i was characterized as a wolf trying to wolf with the sheep trying to decide what to eat for dinner i believe that was sometimes called the yeah yeah i was like ok but i mean i think we're to the point where i get the resources i get the money but we've got to do what's right and it may not be the best thing for every person and everybody may not love it but we need to do the safe thing and i study the speed limit would be seven forty one because that's the average speed that the eighty five percent speed which is a lot which is what we talked about at a previous meeting which is why we're not asking for formal speed study this is an informal study i mean informal study there's nothing formal about that member as you know but i think i mean it's from the sporting goods store but i think what is the illustrating is we have a problem and i absolutely i'm going to borrow it and use it on our street which i think because it will be comical at how fast people go but again it will continue the conversation a very from the board i don't disagree with anything that you guys are saying i actually before i was a slug meant by the market on the board they came in with charts and basically had issues with the crosswalks that they put you know the put the cross walk here in the light over there it just didn't make sense and i came back to the board listen in the movie the the lights i live off of north street and i've got multiple teams that play on pace  road and i've seen and it's not just fox for people that come they come in droves but it's people from other towns and they're rushing to get to a five thirty game or whatever so it's certainly a unique situation because it's a hospital redevelopment so we put in retail we put in housing and in a dense we put in playing fields so we put all this stuff and i think the planning board did intice a paper that was a unique situation because they put the speed bumps to the tables and maybe they weren't designed to the nth degree in the end you know knowing movement respect back a little bit i've had projects where i've proposed speed bumps so you could understand what the negative job whoever's house is with that speed bump is you going to hear twenty four seven  you have cars and trucks you can hear the banging going to hear screeching you're going to see an increase in traffic probably on pace and because if you coming up just need news just not you have to go through three speed bumps you're going to go to the road or in you've got to go to north very at the end of the day i mean we can say let's you know put it into another committee for a study but it's you know that the planning board had a plan it wasn't implemented we tried something else i think at the very minimal  we need to put up something temporary you know we can pull it up in the winter if we have to but put something temporary to see how that works the biggest hurdle i think was you need to speak to chief hadfield because if the fire trucks can't get over with their clarence at a certain speed then it's going to dead in the water for a while then you go to the long you know that's why i think you do in the tables rather than the speed bumps but if sharon in the planning border and he looking for more grants for more improvements to that area and housing is still being built in i'm just not i don't want to be at this table and they said you know i should've could've would've done something and i was too late because i was i'd go through there ten times a day and i speed you know i think everyone does because it's just you know if you get from point a to point b and there's not a lot going on during the day and it happens i see it and i see north st even worse so you know i think roger nice try on the in the signs but it just didn't work so i think we've got to you know take a serious look at of addressing it is going to be a cost to it and it's going to come out of somebody's budget but i don't want to put it into saudi like what another where gordon says  through a list of improvements to straights and sidewalks in the general area the planning board has is in complete agreement with the residents of the area and that the speed conditions on north street and patient road are totally unacceptable no number of reasons how those speed bumps disappeared they were in our plan we wanted them we still want them we do believe that there are as i mentioned to roger want to talk to him today i do believe that the planning board has a couple of proposals all to gets there were in effect do the same thing would be a speed bump but would be one that would meet roger concerns and we believe would meet both righteous i'm sorry roger hill and roger hatfield i think that these people have been patient we believe they should not be waiting any more i think the proposals there are proposals out at least for patient wrote getting back to north straight we're not going to solve that and we're not but i do believe that that two meetings from tonight the planning board working with roger and the neighbors can come back with a proposal that roger the two rajahs can accept and that i think will do a lot of the things that we promised as a town to these residents and we have not given them we do have some problems here they do need to be fix where anxious to work we were as upset as the residents when the speed bumps disappeared and i understand all of the confusion that went on at that time but that's history ok it's just like i'm one of the biggest proponents of the rocket as you well know and i still say that that would have been one of the greatest solutions but not it's not going to stop the problem of the speeding on patient road we have to do something additional we've got children coming down there let's do it let's get it done before  no reason that we can't do it the issue on north street i think that's going to take more time and we don't have the solution to how you slow down a nice straight road i might suggest facetiously perhaps  he's able to be here tonight we do want to work with rod the two rajahs with the neighbors and with this board and now we have to have been a lot of discussions with jim because jim is down in that area so much and i do believe that by two we'd like to be on the agenda two meetings from now to regular schedule every couple of weeks not if you have a couple of special meetings and next week and i think by then we should have something that all discussion was pretty nice given that i think everyone's realizing that it's built up it's evolved and it's no a lot of families and i think it's being treated as a community so this is this was encouraging because i'm not privy to all the discussions that took place but i understand your frustrations if it's been six years asking i think you've got a lot of support and this is refreshing when you come in with well thought out polite graphics and and reasons why you're doing it rather than i want and i deserve because you know i think in the long run you're going to get your platforms i think that's what's going to happen i like to see it may matter one way myself just one way out but it's another thing you have to deal with state you know he did talk about roads seriously for forty years now the worse in a section used to be right down the queue right there and then out disappeared because the whole development then you go down to the corner of central get there and will schedule you back here in one month ok until then please keep your neighborhoods safe as possible i understand your frustration i don't have sidewalks and it's for takes a lot of restraint the same issues we like a lot of places in town unfortunately we have to handle it ourselves because it's private in there and we we butt heads with the people who live in can afford for kind off with little roads who don't see the traffic that those of us in summerfield see they don't see the need for for the problem to be fixed as with young children walking see the see the problem one thing i can tell you is the stops that we have stop signs and they are there aren't in force of all it will piss you off even more once people get wind that they're not enforceable they blow through them and then you just watch them both them you save yourself there's a stop sign but it gets word gets around that they're not enforceable and i know our management company works with the police department and they have tried the best what i will say is what we've just  done is once the crosswalks can be painted we have someone on our board who does some research the best week because we have to do it ourselves the town doesn't do that for us there's something with the colors we just put in the one with big red and yellow and we did put those those signs and they weren't cheap i think they run like eight hundred dollars which for us because we're paying from the come are out of the tall though the ones that come off the ground and what they do is now the people because there's something there we have seen in the last six months it still happens we're not completely satisfied but we have seen the difference and that's probably stuff that the town can do for you sooner than later and that's what part of what we try yeah  artistic child i've got him in one hand the dog on the other hand and you're crossing your stop signs on the sidewalk and people drive around you and so it happens in there but we have seen a difference in fourth maybe maybe you guys are too busy or road to see the impact the difference that we we are in la and maine and we have right now there's twenty kids in there right now and they all love to get out the playground their friends on pay sent and it's a nightmare and not only is it a nightmare because of what they're explaining you know the pass won't go down so we have been literally at the bus stop which waits on north and what you have to do is a stop sign comes out you see em there in the middle of the street and depending on the day people go by and they just don't even notice there's a stop sign the bus is there there's a line of kids so it's only going to get worse so i just really plead with you don't let north street become a six year patient pays an issue because lot only is going to come out just like this because we're dealing with already i mean literally i've never seen people not stop and they see kids and families and dogs they're not slowing down so it's so emotional shock oh my gosh it's a great town and we love it but we're new to the town it's we moved in in december and i hate i'm like oh my gosh i make  on the drive so i do want to thank these guys met livia and mike for proposing this to you guys as we've all talked about i won't beat a dead horse it's been a long time we live on next drive the first house we're crossing the street to go to the park all the time people are flying by it's a no brainer to me and i thrilled that you're hearing that it's about safety it's not i want and i need it's about safety i want and i need a safe area for my children to cross so i can go to livea house and walk down north street and not worry about getting hit by a car because they're flying down the road that's what it's all about for me and my family and that's what it is about for these families as well martin lane included and then i sort of second that i definitely hope that north street is continuing to be considered and obviously you know you work towards the goal of these measures and i know nothing's figured out it will be worked out but i'm just really happy to hear that it's you know a top priority on the agenda because it's about safety it's not a vote i want what i the the present regulations and then the revised regulations if you could review those police and then if there if you have any questions on any particular numbers programs around the rez foreign stuff so this is kind of an update and i said we've got another another number of little topics that we'd like to just let you know what we're doing and what we're involved in and ask for your support so could compare concentrations we don't want to take them in their exact same location because the chances are that you want a more random you know but they were in close proximity part of the task that they did was testing the flocks between those sentiment and the poor water it would in a surface water basically pond water reservoir water what they did is in a laboratory they took samples of actual samples from the reservoir sediment samples and under controlled laboratory conditions tested for different environments through robot conditions and anaerobic conditions and then summertime temperature and i fall or spring temperature so i saw this for actual a task that they did for each one of those things and basically did you know the results of that report and the final and also in the unknown it's unlikely that the i'm going to get your sedimentation is going to provide any cap over those contaminated sediments so and even if it did look like a half an inch layer going to mix up that sediment so it's going to be continuing at the surface for as long as you can  you know where they listed all other potential things you could do to clean up you know what their biggest item they said would you know that for sure that would clean up would be you know sediment removal unfortunately you know it's the cost so it's been fifteen years now they'll be collecting their first set of samples not next month or end of this month or early next month and some of the same locations we sampled to evaluate what the conditions are  and you know look at that but basically they've got five years of sampling that they're allowed to do and then we evaluate if there's anything that can be done to clean it up so he just said give you an idea of the ea until the site is cleaned out and they have the sample periodical you've been tween those five probably every year i think i right or every six months now i think they have to sample i'm basically forever to other laws change the standards change or it's clean so every five years it will be monitoring or over the last fourteen years we've seen no change so that with biological activity and so forth there's a constant cycle that keeps on putting the cambium back in the solution into the water and then as things change and it drops back out and in a disk just kind of a constant recycling a movement by rob well you also have you do it's very shallow so any big major windstorm event whether it's a northeaster or whatever is going to stir things up and you see a lot of suspended  know the measurements that were done on the reservoir fifteen eighteen years ago and we have depth the water really hasn't changed so the amount of sedimentation to actually cover any of this isn't really happening much there's enough  bio matter that's in there that it seems to keep keeping pace with you know the degradation or the biological activity of the breaking down of the stuff seems to be keeping pace and that's not the lakes not telling us so and that does were this stands with the state is they've seen our report we've forwarded our report to invent says consultant they've got it they were here last night actually reporting to the conservation commission about their plans to go ahead with the transition what to do in the class c aureole decision they had the consultants report from invensys they had all these guys could work in the professional reports and i think the d p was looking at it and they did their risk benefit analysis and they said well as it said there is a solution to remove the sediment and there's a huge cost and there's other solutions and again the winter during the ice you put sediment over it and that the ice melt and it drops over this i would think you guys had a suggestion of just hitting the hot spots as a pilot program and you propose that to d p so we submitted a letter and i think the board of health may have as well  they were on board that basically said the cost benefit is way off because there's a bigger benefit and less cost because there are ways to do it that are brought up by their consultants so they took that under advisement but they still went ahead and broke it down into every five years of testing so it's a frustrating process and it's kind of a wait and see if you wait five years to test it and i think they also put their own monitoring wells around to continue to do the testing and this is probably harder that they're going to stall one monitoring well yeah so i mean i read this and i was surprised that you know one from a solid to a dissolve state and all of that was new to you guys but  i think that in the board wrote that letter and then they started that new process now you're coming in front of us just doesn't update for you are you going to challenge the d p again or bring nobodies to them again well there's there's other things we want  report about that we'd like to bring up and that we we are investigating something that we would like to challenge but it's more the yeah ok so but for now i think this is going to be what it is for the next happening and so so those are the tests that it would encourage or would encourage him going to do they get reported immediately and if those exceed it well that backtrack the process it could they could it could know they they do they report it annually they've done everything samples twice here in their report annually supposedly the first round of sampling is in july or early august and the first report will come out in january or february next year so that that program is going on pretty well how we treated the entire reservoir six years ago  act yes so under the clean water act any industry that discharges to streams or surface water has to have a permit and there are certain allowable levels of contaminants ninety six ninety six they have not had an approved permit we've asked to do a survey through freedom of information act for and the d p s records to see what other information has is out there or that has been reported over that peak time period on any of their discharges so it's not that they're destroyed just disappeared it's just that the permits lapsed and they two thousand and five and then another one two thousand and ten and we've been in contact or correspondence with them and they basically said that they're just there just hung up with red tape or whatever and they they would probably act on issuing those and there's a provision in the clean water act that as citizens we can write a letter to them requiring or or basically putting the p r notice that we would like them to issue that permit because then they would then they would we know what's being discharged there would be some guidelines that what could be discharged legally and it's not like it's zero in there and we're not saying that we want this permit so there's nothing that can be discharged but can be discharged within reasonable limits we would like to have for have bring you probably in a month a letter and have you consider signing that letter to be filed and then we're also looking at sending our own letter in but we thought if we could get a letter from the  this will would ever transpire to go and have a litigation there is there's a provisions for citizens group litigations to force them to show it but i think that if they just know that there's somebody that was saying hey guys do your job you know they'll listen have a chance to least you know let you know what we are what we're investigating and we're just doing the the review process is going on this month and soul next month we should have the results of that so we'll have some some better statistics o in what will be in the letter and what has been what is known as to what the discharges have been so you know when you read you send the letters we be sending them to the federal delegations from the state solution the other the other solutions that were brought up and we're putting love layer on top just coming thinks more shallow and the more shallow it is the more ocean you're going to get and that's you know we would like to see is it be dredged so that we could actually even dredge it further if you know our group would like to dredge it further so that we'd have less weeds because feel a little deeper you wouldn't have as much light penetration you would have to mean weeds and you know that would be one of our solutions and and that's kind of what we were hoping that we could be doing the the problem is that we've got money to dredge but we don't have money to dispose of what we dredge so there's a and there's a big delta between you know getting it out of there i've got quotes i can treat have half that reservoir dredged to a couple feet deep or for a million million a half but to get rid of the the other thing we're here to request is we used to have a member from the board of selectmen that would sit in on some of our meetings and stuff and we were wondering if you know if you would like to volunteer to be in more sixteen second for more discussion under discussion and is this something that is competitive or other people are or is unlimited for this position i wouldn't say it's unlimited they've had a series of sort of people who have been doing it over the years and he's been on the list for her by appointing him for another term or not pushing somebody else out i don't think there's any other active requests  selectmen he's seeking the support of house bill h one n one one five which is an act relative to the definition of low in moderate income housing i was reading that is what i'd like to study done so yeah exactly yes exactly well i mean i'm on the little familiar with the bill what this bill does this bill is been filed many times before what this bill does is it adds to the list of the housing that's considered affordable like mobile homes in la apartments and stuff like that and what that does is it increases the town's affordable housing units so that we are going toward the the ten percent this bill they've been trying to do something like this for many years anybody who's any legislator who has dealt with forty b s and it's mostly in the in the more rural areas they have been it's an unfair was going to ask the town a norton in the town of mansfield where i brought it up he said well you can talk to see if if those are the two towns in here in his district would would also support this legislation  it's a good piece of legislation it's legislation that they've been trying to pass an order to to alleviate the stress on communities that are just you know are protein that ten percent and if they if they included the mobile homes which is affordable housing you know it just takes the pressure off of your knees and all of this is being heard in the recent hearings coming up i'm not quite sure i know it's being spotted by to give representative giffords and when i spoke to jay he didn't say that there was a hearing coming up and everything but they they were we think that with the possibility of dealing with with the problems of not including the affordable housing like mobile homes let's face it a mobile home is that's affordable housing but it's not a fixed asset either is  has been the problem since friday be find me was originally created to deal with like urban areas and then you know really redoing urban areas and then all of sudden they came out to the more rural areas and so i mean this is this is been an ongoing problem trying to reach that ten percent for decades and this is the and like i said these this bill or bill similar to this have been filed out i think that i think the town would be wise to support it but the opposition i mean the state's goals and objectives is to get more affordable housing so their equation was based on not having trailer or mobile homes  and rentals and in laws and all that stuff so if we take that out of the equation it doesn't get the state where they need to get to so that's that's the dynamic so each community wants to limit it to a certain point the state wants to broaden  developers don't want any restrictions because very profitable if you don't have a ten percent but i think that the time would be wise and it but but i would like the planning board to make a recommendation because i could use that because you know i think we're eight and point five percent or something so it would be nice to have those numbers the last time meeting we had a warrant article that talked about funding affordable housing so i think there are a lot more in tune to it and i think their letter by the