it all right so our first question was how did you get to this point like what led you to want to run for office here appears to show well we're just going to go with the slide starting right off the bat right  graduated from peter sonship i had the opportunity to be involved in student council and home vice president presidency through my my career here we were involved in other groups if we have a slide we do have a number one slide there if we can ask that to be brought up it talks about what happened here well as i was growing up and how it got me started in interested in public service i was not on the sl is that i was a junior fireman alright that happened to be a big volunteer thing at that time because of the fact that we only had four thousand people in the community was not the twenty three thousand we have now are how past though are still the same  were i still hit the same bump on valley brick road that i hit on prom night some things never change and i'm sorry to say that we're stuck with it but that you know i got involved in student government we did a lot of at that time good things are organizations in fact allowed us to learn about the different subjects and things that we had to deal with at the school level course we had excellent teachers of that time that in fact taught us not only their own personal view but gave us a very good overview of what society had to offer and what we had you know growing up in the bubble here in peter worlds a different place you know i mean i said i'm sure you realize that that whenever you step out of the bubble there's a lot of things that that aren't as nice you know if you drive all over the area here you'll find communities that don't have the benefits we have and that's it that means a lot that means a lot and so well we learned that though in high school whenever i was here we learned about the differences not only between you know the melting pot of the united states but also the different communities of pittsburgh you know we had like eric in pittsburgh used to be a german community you know the polish hill that was a name that because of the fact that they were lithuanian you know but that the ethnic base of pittsburgh has never really changed a couple of the things that brought brought that out and our teachers brought it out to us was the fact that we had we had the our to need to make a difference there was a tough time you know we were doing our nuclear drills well hiding under our desk and in the hallway you know when we were growing up here thank god we haven't had to do that ever and but this is the latest of the world has changed it's become a less niceville place ok but we learned that basic that in fact we have to deal with that you know the only thing that separates us between the third world countries are laws and enforce he said that that was part of the reason whatever why i grew up here and i realize that there had to be life after high school and what we were going to do with it made a difference you know as seniors we all thought we were the all knowing our parents are stupid and they have any time and the sad part is once we walk out the door we realize we were back in kindergarten in there in the life and it was a it was an interesting thought process i said but yourself on the sly and i was involved in a lot of school activities and we were all friends of course our graduating class was only about one hundred sixty so we all knew each other even though we had cliques our cliques overran each other and we all had fun and games and we all are to today still very good friends and probably stay in touch with about sixty members of my class on a regular basis i'm sorry to say that even at my age there's too many of them have passed away already probably about twenty five of my class members out of one hundred sixty of already passed so whenever you're looking at your friends on graduation night they won't all be there fifty years later and that's really quite a sad thing but that's a life that we have we got involved with the student council and things and that sort of set me on the path but there was life after high school you know believe it or not you'll remember everything that you do in high school be part of your life and this is this is what says you the environment that you grow up in here in peter's times it does set your life skills when we have reunions and i have been crazy because i've been the chairman of a number of them and  people come from all over the country and their comments to me most of the time and we've had people having issues with cancer and everything else they say they have to come back you know our our fiftieth graduating class comes back every union time to in fact support the current graduating class that number is growing of the people who actually returned because of the fact that this is where they learned how to be them and this is this is something that you know is really is and whenever you grow up to realize of course you know it's not my parents were stupid into i was about forty years old and i realize how intelligent they really were and i was a dumb one but life sort of get you back into that motion than thirty days you got your money back and so you know it was one of those things financially it was a drain on my parents but also i wasn't prepared for it i wasn't ready for college not that they didn't teach me the things that i needed but it's just a case where mentally i wasn't prepared to stay in school again so i had a brother that was in the air force and i decided to go it was probably the most educational period of my life when you look at the things in the places that i was and everything and i want to and everything else you have another slide the next slide please i was eighteen years old and i was going  signed up for career field called search and rescue in the air force and before you go to that you have to go to another field because most of the people flunk out well i took i decided i was lousy with tools and i figure the jet engine is coming to be the thing and so i was i became a jet engine mechanic as my career field as a fallback position if i failed search and rescue i did and i stayed in that for a couple years and it was harrowing time because the vietnam war was going on and we were doing our thing over there that position was called on to see if a pilot or something went down with that to go get them and that was never a good thing to do you know but the bottom line i didn't didn't continue that feel because that was talk about adrenaline rushes because you would have to be there for a period of time very short period of time then i'd be back in california at my home base in base colorado she knew the air force base illinois norton air force base san bernardino california when you're eighteen years old and living in southern california suite at that time especially but  new jersey eglin air force base in florida i mean elmendorf in alaska i went to many locations learned about the different customs in those locations as well as whatever i became in a different career field i was i was actually only in the air force for four years then i was out for six and i hear in peter's time here i came back to peter's and i learned to real estate sold real estate a giant oaks realty and then want to cross kate's reality and then went to benson and sun realty at that time and those names don't mean anything that they're not around anymore but then i went to century twenty one i was hired as their regional instructor out of new york  traveled all over the east coast for them and then i had a call from the air force saying because my specialty at that time the last year and a half that i was in at seventy one and seventy two was what they call disaster preparedness and it was a a career field that dealt with chemical nuclear and biological warfare during wartime but emergency responses to floods hurricanes and earthquakes and peacetime and so because of the specialized training that myself and for other people that i went through training with at that time were so specialized that rocky mountain arsenal and los alamos and i mean a lot of these specialized training dow chemical they called me up and said we have a deal for you if you like to come back in we'll keep you like you never want so they promoted me to the point where i didn't really miss a step in those six years that i was out and i i came back in and then stayed for another sixteen years retiring at the rank of a senior master sergeant that was a listed but i was also the superintendent of the career field for thirty the last thirteen years i was in the service and based on that i've traveled all over that was during the original goal for egypt israel saudi arabia the emirates but i was also stationed in seville spain madrid spain england lakenheath england wittering england i had the opportunity to be at the  o shape school and overall mcgough germany so i mean the education that i learned the informal education as well as the formal education in the military schools was so far beyond anything i could have imagined and the travel i was in forty eight countries and forty seven states which is pretty sweet on somebody else's dime and you're getting paid to travel there to say you know that's that always works out but i was in and i had i had gave me the opportunity to tend some marine schools and some navy schools the navy sears school survival exam evasion resistance and escape school down in san diego deep water survival through the navy but it gave me so many opportunities that i just could never pass it up it was just it was interesting but all the time it was paying for my college education which in fact you know whatever the concern having that that was my last the duquesne one of my last masters degrees they paid but they paid for undergrad they paid i also it's funny because you know sometimes we laugh and joke about the associate degrees being there like mine or nothing i've made my livelihood under my son associate degree in safety technology that i fact earned from the community college of the air force while i was in there that was that's an patiently is this the next one ok well we'll talk about this one for a little bit the military was like a set a great life but that leads you to other places and the other places it was the things that i love to do i had a horse back in high school and i got involved again the owner of the person arabians here i'm sure a camp i was buying my daughter a horse one morning and all of a sudden i had made arrangements to stop by their farm to in fact look at another horse and the owner of the property that i didn't realize is that that meeting would in fact drive me to a whole lot of other things that i never imagine but that opportunity that morning led me to buying another horse from him because he's shamed by saying who's your daughter going to ride with them life never thought of that but then i bought another horse from him and that was the beginning of our relationship which in fact led me into overseeing the breeding of my horses and and selling them along the way but it also to a full time relationship with mr received and i was lucky enough one day to walk in and he looked at me and said you're having more fun at my barn than i am i'm going to hire you full time to be my director of safety and  i took that job and stayed with him for a number of years as director of safety and security which once again fed back on that little so she had to agree that i had and that was that was a good experience for me because i never worked with unions i never worked with construction at that point my father used to be a carpenter but he was with jones and laughlin steel but construction at that point was totally for you know if you wanted to work with chemical nuclear and biological warfare i could teach about anything if you wanted to work with response to disasters and we could discuss that all day long but whenever you're talking about working with union people who want to get laid off right before christmas i want you crazy with christmas time you the law in different segments along the way can we show the slide on the colleges pl we'll go back to the the other fun stuff ok colleges universities once again i've had a wonderful opportunity through the air force to in fact get my associate degree from community college of the air force and safety but i whatever i got out of the service i went and that period of time i started back at pitt and earned a bachelor's degree in legal studies which is why i'm running for this because of the fact that the four years of studying case law and things i believe i'm pretty well prepared for that but then whatever i want to do came in and got a masters degree in education a lot of that was school law and being a teacher and also on the school board i've learned a lot of that law in this specific with students and what you can do what you can't do and things like that so when we look at that we look at the opportunity to in fact encompass all the education into it but my i have a dual master's in california diversity and geography and regional planning i also have gone to university of california riverside for some totally different i learned how to be a pilot so you know i was flying for a couple years and i enjoyed it but i got really expensive and so that's sort of kicked everything right when it comes the money you start limiting we can do but i learned how to be a pilot there and continue my whenever i move back to pennsylvania here in washington county flying for all for a couple years let me see what i have to actually check to make sure that i'm going  adjunct instructor for safety and safety designation from them nova southeastern university is where i received a lot of credits that in fact supported my teaching certificate  a teacher certificate i have to actually one in social studies and one instructional technology which i will say that after a master's degree in a structural technology the folks here do stuff that i never even so i mean i use it it's fun to watch them but the other things i was i was a councilman and here in peter's i was elected in two thousand and five and i served for one year because i took a job down in virginia but i went to the local government academy for that position when i became on school board the p s p a the pennsylvania school board association has a program that i attended not because i you  know not because i had to because none of these programs with the local government or that do you have to go to but i felt that it was necessary to learn and i'm already for the magistrate position i'm already scheduled to go on for the month of june to in fact go to their school in harrisburg to learn that learning for me is a life lifelong process which is fun one of the one of the things we see here if you go back to the the hobbies please that'd be great two thousand and two and one of our i retired the third time my wife was kind enough to give me two thousand and thirteen the problem with it is of course you don't drive very much and after three years i only had about fourteen hundred miles on it and that's a real expensive toy is absent in the garage so we got rid of them well you said the horses the cars we enjoyed having artwork to go in the last year we used to have some of our artwork up here in the hallway  demonstrating to the students different types of artwork and things that were available we do continue to have it over in middle school other than that the lady said it's just so much fun because there are so many different things to do just but once again the foundation was laid here the fine i was in bought band in chorus and and the fine arts in that i was never very good in football we had we started when i was in high school we started back a football team because one of the one of the peter students died playing football in the fifty's so they stopped it for a number of years and whenever they in fact had the opportunity to restart it we were terrible i but but but because of the fact that we who we were having fun we didn't know what we are doing we are terrible at it but but we had fun we had parties if we lost we had a party if we tired we had a party and if we won didn't happen often but if we won by god again i mean it was something but every friday night there was a dance every friday night there was a social event that the high school had put on and it was just you know it's just one of those things of the like you said the school really did set our foundation to what we were going to do now if you go to the next slide this is one of the benefits of being in the military which i never even imagined and we're still waiting ok that's me in the background if you see that little block guard in the silence of the lambs this opportunity came because of the fact that and by the way jonathan dem just died this really thought he was the producer director of that movie but this was one of those opportunities that you can't pass up and i was contacted and asked i had played in a couple of other movies as a  stand by and it was fun because of the fact that he said this this opportunity my commander called me and said what are you doing and i said why and he said i have something that you might be in a rest of it and they were shooting part of this in pittsburgh this scene that you see here is that these soldiers and sailors hall and oakland but a lot of the a lot of the opportunity was actually like if you have you seen the movie now if you haven't ok you've seen it you know where they will him on the on the cart that's actually at the pennsylvania air national guard base one seventy first a greater pit that's where that's where i became in clued in this and then i was asked to actually be a guard in the movie which i had the opportunity to meet fascinating people along the way because a lot of these actors are just phenomenal and anthony hopkins was funny and well we'll probably get this right as we come back from commercial but anthony get checkups doctor dentist visits hospital care prescriptions and more your child's may qualify based on your family size and it's one less thing to worry about caller go on line to enroll now why wait shows up at the magistrate's office usually like once a week and follow a complaint that can be heard this deals with local issues civil issues up to about twelve thousand dollars and in fact also deals though with the p f a as protection from abuse the individuals the opportunity to in fact plead there are extenuating circumstances to in fact why you know maybe they can't pay bail or something like this this is going to be is going to be an interesting thing as i mentioned my training that i have is a real estate broker in my legal studies and everything else and the course is coming up in june the month long course for magistrates training in harrisburg a lot of that has to deal with common sense you know the magistrate position is based on common law from the english common law and they carried over to our call in these and that being what it is a lot of those minor issues are heard and the p f a xin things like that the things that affect our people just like our council facts our people our school district affects our local people the things that affect the local people were heard at that level so you mention the war on drugs something obviously that's thing people care about a lot it's considered like a huge crisis especially around here so do you think it's been a factor if and like how could you or how do you feel you could have an effect on the war on drugs has been i really you know i look at it is almost a misnomer it has gotten bigger not protecting our borders hasn't the sad part is their program was dealing with southwest pennsylvania and so i mean to make international program on the problems that we're having here locally is sad you know whenever i was in school we  had no drugs we had no drug issues for say the sad part is as time goes on kids are learning that this is sort of life and i don't want that to be the case you know there has to be alternatives positive time didn't make it six times you know you overdosed on drugs and people save your life and you go right back to there has to be an underlying major problem it's not just you know well i didn't get my homework done you know and so how do we deal with those issues how do we deal with the issues of truancy truancy is never a problem you know by itself there's always an underlying reason why i said whenever i was teaching i had students who to be true and then all of a sudden they stop being true it and i asked one of them who was a homeless student that i had in my head for homeless students and i had one and ask them why are you coming to school every day i mean before i got here you missing like half the time they told me so well there's three things one they now have a program so we can eat lunch or breakfast in the morning so i can get my breakfast here too they have a program that the school finds clothes and they've taken clean it and bring it in  so i can find something different to wear and three you said because you're here and because i know that unlike all the other people something happens you're protecting us i'm like you don't think that strikes to your heart you know when if you realize that you may actually have a positive effect this is the kind of thing that we have to find positive answers for this we can't just we just can't throw people in jail all the time you know that our jails are overrun by people who have drug issues that doesn't necessarily make it better and all that does is makes it worse you know definitely you know i mean like you said you know you ask the students what do you do about drugs and they have tons of ideas the reason why they have tons of ideas is they know friends who they don't want to lose that's a that's a powerful tool now if they told their friend their idea that would probably be a big step in the right direction if your friend tells you that they love you enough to have you stop hurting yourself that means a lot have any prior experience in court and situation do i have prior experience i'm a sad you well i'm sorry to say that i had i have like many parents have gone through a divorce ok that i mean les said it there's no when you know in a divorce situation you know that it's breaking apart something you hope will never stay together but i ended up with the custody of my son my son's and  was heartbreaking but it ended up you know it's like you said it's never a win it's always sort of like i hate to use the experience like kissing your sister you don't know how to feel you know  deal i also had an opportunity to whenever i was hired by well i wasn't hired by a school district violated as was found in sixteen years violated the veterans preference act i fought the case for sixteen years because i felt i was right and i felt i was right because not only was i a veteran which is sort of a secondary thing to the job preference but i also was well qualified i had two master's degrees i was in the honor society through college i had the opportunity i have to experience and we talked about it i bored you to tears about the first half and they hired a person away with a lesser experience much lesser grades and in fact the only reason is because he played football and they thought he might be a coach and so as it went up and on the legal system because the district kept on appealing it every time i get an affirmative decision that appealed to the next court well one up and down a couple times and now my case is a precedent setting case in the pennsylvania supreme court so in that process i learned an awful lot about the different court systems but the lady said but i also in my job as director of for twelve years out of college and we have another person who just entered into the race and i i know them and their family very well and you know just because you know if you are married to a doctor doesn't mean could perform surgery just because you're married to them so the bottom line is there's a lot of reasons why i think i'm best qualified so you know you're running as a write in candidate and you see that right behind us so first why are you running as a write in candidate while i'm capability of running again for he's been in there for a number of years and we thought that just ask him whenever we swore in one of the new board members he told me he was going to run one more term and that's fine that was wonderful i support him all the time and then whenever it came to the opportunity there was a deadline to give your petitions and that deadline was just about to come like a day later and the word got out that he decided not to run and it was it was interesting because a personal friend of his got his name on the ballot he went out and got his petitions signed and everything else got his name on the ballot and was the only one who was capable of getting you know on the ballot itself as written name the party had the republican party here in peter's time for had in fact that question to a number of people and they had  i'm in the position now the sad thing about it is if i would win the magistrate position which i hopefully going to i will have to leave the school board and that's a that's a double edged sword you know that i've been enjoying that for six years now we have done more things in the district to repair our facilities i've been the chairman of the buildings and grounds for a number of years now and we've done more things to fix everything that's gone wrong that wasn't paid attention to for years and in fact we have all new all buses within the ten year span which we never had there where they want for years before i got on the board not buying busses so some of our buses were beyond the ten year which are which allowed for us maximum reimbursement from the that it made me feel good because of the fact that i've i believe she feels that i've been a positive on the school board but on the other hand the school district needs someone who in fact in those schools law and in fact  considering that position and assist when we have issues at school now thank god because of our police officer here and the feelings that our students have with him knowing them basically all their lives that in fact we haven't had issues like other districts have but in fact you know whenever we do have the truancy problems when we do have the other issues that come up the drugs and things that are found on our students we have to have someone who can they can deal with those issues and i use that with my experience in school law in the classroom as well as on the school board i think that i'm best trained for that so how can people how can people write you and when i go to the ballot box well we have a slide on that i'm glad you brought that up it's a sin process but most people have never done it and that's that's the crazy part about i think in my life lays that i've literally been voting every election possible i am ninety seven percent and the only time i didn't vote was i was our country but most people have never done it so it would be a good education can we throw up that slide please running in this entire race i mean all the races right now so i mean the least there's an effect peters township but if you go to the next slide where it talks about the right in there you go ok how to write in on may sixteenth and that's a that's an important day for the students here as well i mean many of you wallie have the this will be the first time you have the opportunity to vote towards the end of the balloting in on the computer systems as is comes like three positions to the end of the ballot though it will be bad just ariel district justice as you see here it will tell us show the district that it is it's a six year term and vote for one while there's a preprinted name and you see that in light gray there there's a preprinted name this on there that see in my major opponent this point so what you have to do is there's another circle at the next line you press that circle and then you type in hopefully bone mar and that's that's a simple one is difficult as it is but lay said probably ninety nine percent of the people have never voted on a write in here so this is going to be you know asking them to take a little step here one step beyond what they're used to opportunity to deal with the school law that i've dealt with it dealing with students cases that comes before the board also dealt with it in the classroom situation my experience as a director of safety not just locally but and nationally my experience of working with people i've had the opportunity to to deal with i had over eight hundred people working for me and when the military and  had even more working for me working for in our weeks marine out in new jersey so i mean i use in my experience of working with the law issues dealing with the people as well as my court cases that i've discussed earlier that in fact is demonstrated to me how the court works and it's not as cut and dry as everybody thinks and you know there's a lot of different issues dealing with those different levels of court room but this is going to be fun thing i'm going to let alone my four year degree in legal studies i mean that that certainly is a plus to how you create us we have now it's hard to talk about it now it's not it's not as i have found that while i'm getting older i'm getting much more emotional ok and lay said i have five kids i have thirteen grandkids and there are betterment has really struck me to the core i just whenever i went to school here they said we were all friends sure we had pettiness and we you know we picked on the each other once in a while but it never came to some of the stupidity that you're hearing all over the country we were friends and we were taught to be friends we were taught how to share we were taught how to care for each other you know lay said i my kids all went to school to different districts none of them really stay in touch with many of their friends as i mentioned earlier i stay in touch with about sixty of my classmates on a regular basis and they stay in touch with me too as well as each other so it's a case of the camaraderie that we learned here at peter's time really did lead us to our lives the weakness that i have once again is the the feeling that you have that you can try to make a positive difference now i know it's like a as like a small thing here but being in the military i fought for four years to get lights on our american flags which is by law a requirement ok for years people come to me on the school board and say why are we buy this book you know we should get rid of it it took me four years to get lights that are mandatory requirement but i fought for four years and we got we're the only school system around by the way who has lights on all their american flags i don't care if you're on the sports field or yours in schools or whatever but it took me four years to do that but i can once there was a movie called confession one time and one of the actors said you know sometimes it's difficult to know what's right and what's wrong but once you know what's right it's hard not to do it and that's that's sort of the guideline that i've been going besides the fact you know like i said whenever you look at it at night time when you look yourself in the mirror and you ask if you embarrass your family's n that stays with you no matter what so if you marry your family's name you know what you didn't do the right thing that's the weakness that's a weakness because of the fact that i look at least self every night and asked a question  it's hard as a judge especially it's hard because there are issues that come up you know whenever people are involved in a p s a and people get hurt you not it's not just one sided there's reasons why people strike out or do something what are those reasons and it's not always man versus woman sometimes it is mormon versus man and you've got to be able to have enough experience and strength to understand what those differences are and so obviously we're going to be talking to a lot of people people are going to be coming up to you all the time so how do you think you would take public opinion into account whenever you're deciding cases and things like that and i now there's a lot of talk about how the judiciary should deal with that and how like what kind of public opinion how they should take that into their decision making so how would you go about that because i'm a constitutionalist i'm a strict believer that our constitution our bill of rights and everything else protects us it's like a fort that we build around the the barrier of our country that should protect us you know just the other day they had a case on dealing wish with a different type of law being allowed in our country our supreme court went five to four on a vote how did that ever happen that we have four justices that are out there pretending that bringing a different type of law into our country was ok i mean something's wrong with our judicial system and we really do have to look at it but we're getting back to your answer or your question i believe in the constitution i believe in what it says i believe in the way thank god the founders of our country are much smarter than we have a government now day they projected all of these issues hundreds of years ago to in fact protect your rights into the future which is pretty sweet when you look at it like you said they are much brighter than anything we seem to have locally or a national level and the constitution is not up to public opinion it's not place and that's that's where li said if you want something that's that provide strength to your backbone whenever you're being you know publicly middle of the aged because people don't like what you did that's probably the biggest backbone you can possibly get supporting the constitution and the rights given under you talked a lot about wanting to make a difference a positive impact so i think you can do that more in this position rather than the school board it was funny i was over in union township knocking on doors and handing out cards the other day and one of the people there asked me you're on the school board which would you be better at and like for one i'm like why how do you know the one of the school board here in the union but he said that you know we've seen that you've done a lot of good things for your school district why would why would you want to change and i love the school board it is interesting it brings up some wonderful things and like you said being a peters grad i want this this school to be the best possible and we're heading in that direction by the way as you well know so and that's that's wonderful we have the leadership here in that now to make it that but the key is when you look at these things if you like he said you want to do what's right you want to do you know i want to i want to do what is not necessarily socially acceptable and there have been issues that i have believe me i have argued with people on the school board that i have fought for but i'm doing it because i believe that it's not a you know lace that i'm i don't get swayed by public opinion a whole lot i want to support what's right not by somebody who's idea what's right today and that makes a big difference because you'll be facing that is as you go into college and everything else you'll be facing people who in fact don't agree with you but if you're right you're right you know and if they just because it was ever fashionable at the time that doesn't obviously a very long term if you were to be elected so you're wondering how long you plan to serve what is the minimum it would be one term for me how right i am heading towards my sixty seventh birthday so six years will be more than enough to in fact do this but it would also give the community the opportunity to know that at the end of six years they can go ahead and those individuals attorneys or whoever else in the community because this position doesn't need to be the attorney which is like as it is from the old common law but it would give the everybody the opportunity not like it was done this time to try to limit it to one person  everybody the opportunity to in fact put their name out there for the community to select in a proper method not not the way that it's been done so that was only said that's the big thing one term i've already had people come up to me and asked me you know what are you going to do one term ok my kids will be out of school i'll be prepared to do that at that point which in fact i believe is the way it should be they should be able to plan for something that shouldn't just be the goal line being moved because of the fact that one person decides that they want to go or stay or whatever at their own power but this will just be a one term so also another thing that you'll be dealing with a lot of setting balance i got so much for philosophy for deciding how to set ballots and things like that for well setting bail it's like anything else a person who is a one time whatever you have to look at the x extenuating circumstances you know the person going through a red light because they have a family member in the car or need to get to the hospital is totally different than a person who's drunk going through red lights and so you have to look at the circumstances and see why they did it it's not just the action but it's the circumstances that lead to the action which in fact i believe have a major play a person who has been speeding eight times in the last two months then yeah it's going to what lesson have you taught if you just keep giving and pass card to the next time so if they have the opportunity to adjust the person's thinking on what their their social place you want to send kids who are just in the first trial because all those individuals basically are criminals long term criminals even if they're under the age of eighteen so you don't want to send somebody who just know truly because their parents have a drug problem or something to a place like that you don't want to take them out of their home if you can possibly help it but there are programs there's public service that you have the opportunity to use there's there's other you know other thing  fines there's there's other things that you can do to assist those programs in washington county and allegheny county they could be referred to for for students as well as adults you know if it's a drug used to let's try to get them off drugs if it's  if it's a robbery issue that's a different thing you know crimes against people or property is it's not good you know i'm an avid fan as you solve with the horses and everything else i love animals people who hurt animals have more propensity to hurt people and that has room proven time and time again so whatever you know dealing with the festivus animal being injured or killed because some kid just gets a thrill out of it yeah you know that's going to be a little tougher thing because the psychology of that demonstrates that they're already leaving this something much more heinous so we've had on the second part of times part just to clarify why do you think that you are the best candidate for this position well my education for one ok for your degree in legal studies and my other education in the legal system is not necessarily a formal but isn't form one is very important my dealings with people my dealings with school law my dealings with with workman's comp and things like that through the different systems legal systems that are available there the grey hair means something ok i'm able to make it this going over the speed limit i have to admit but but the bottom line is it's just you know the experience the knowledge that i've gained through life the dealings with people to find out that there are other issues out there other than wrong or right there's a grey areas all the time and you have to look at those definitely so you've also got a lot of administrate of experience clearly a school board and other things so how would that  help with this position well keeping good records is a mandatory thing i mean i'm sure the noise said keeping records as far as the individuals coming into the court dealing with issues that in fact  deal with the people in as it is so i mean just it's i'm trying not to repeat myself because you know you said but this is hard not to do because of the fact that there's just  personal knowledge that you get with the grey hair that comes along with learning how to talk to people learning how to work with people and learning how just to understand people which with people who don't do whole lot in their lives don't really have that a position that means more than you know and i said the difference between us and third world is our law as the ability to support those laws and to in fact make them that people understand my position here is i love the school board and i will miss not being on it if i get there and what i hope will get i have some organizations that in fact are supporting me and it's going to be one of those things that i need the public support and the three townships especially union nottingham and peters to in fact take that extra step press that button and write in that name i would appreciate it and look forward to having everybody come out and vote on may sixteenth because of the fact that that's the date that's going to set up all this works for the rest of the township first of the next six years but i want to thank you folks for coming grilling me i think you need it in the last well thank you so much thank you very much for coming today and hopefully will be here next time