evening everybody thank you and welcome to fox bros board of selectmen september eighteenth two thousand and twelve public meeting to go through the agenda briefly at seven o'clock we as we always do we have citizens input in off and jonathan turner for a small presentation and then we'll go into topics not necessarily anticipated during the forty eight hours advance notice period at seven o five will give a chairman's update at seven fifteen a architects and bill chris barrow will be presenting some town hall repair options in a program at seven thirty five public hearings continued for the ninety nine restaurant for a new office director issuance of stock transfer  committee is going to give us an update and that update is on the class one called the response action outcome the r a o that's been going on in the ponce reservoir at a twenty eight we had invited the craft organization  spearheaded by dan murphy to come in to discuss the new development plans in concept for the patriots place at eight fifty we have executive session to discuss union negotiations in there's a three or four action items so it's a little bit of a long agenda so we're going to try to move quickly through some of them but when did you want to do the pledge allegiance as part of citizens important actually jack if you're ready would you mind going to first perfect thank you very much for the opportunity we appreciate it i must confess i'm trying to catch my breath because just before i came up here there was a knock on the door total shock i met my four month old great granddaughter from l a for the first time vangelis they're standing there at the door isn't th danger surprising somebody like a dark quickly let me take you back to nine hundred sixty one midpoint in the post war building boom following world war two when clark for doubled in population that year the town named as for his building inspector would more i turn to we have his grandson here with us now welcome we called him pete he had the distinction of writing building permit number one and it was point one million are new construction hundred forty seven thousand repairs and interestingly that same year they formed a committee just study writing this building a combination town hall and for a police station sixty two to two thousand and six fence us seventy two hundred eighty one industrial development commission seventy five to eighty two municipal building and planning committee eighty eight to two thousand and nine permanent school building committee committee member pete anchored the inspection and building corner of town hall for a fifty one year total commitment to the community and he served with distinction so all jonathan will tell you why we hear the request that jack and i have would like to present before this board tonight is for approval to have a plaque me listing pete my grandfather's proud record of community service would be ready for mounting in the either refer bisht an expanded town hall or their placement town hall whichever the case may be and we could have an unveiling at that time in the meantime i would like to to give my grandfather a sense of just how much he commitment to public service is appreciated just so we can know that people foxborough would like to thank you a nice honor that has to turn or is going to get i mean i've been in town for over over thirty two years and p turner is always his name has always been around and it's a well deserved and i hope this is the beginning of the recognition for many of our long set up a fund give the public an opportunity to weigh in with some donations if they so choose and then just keep you posted as we go forward but if we have your blessing on this i think a ninety three year old very now does anyone under citizens input we just asked if you come to the microphone it is being recorded on camera and at home and just introduce yourself for the record  i have some items here from the from the reporter that there are there was printed some regarding custody this particular event had six hundred seventeen custody people taken into custody in comparison to a couple of previous events that happened a few weeks ago before the country festival sixty six custody for the springsteen concert in thirty two custody for the monday night football game so compare that to the  the two day festival tonight festival for country fest it's pretty substantial i live up in that area so i was directly impacted again this year i came to the application meeting back in march i think it when they were applying for the tonight permit and voiced my concerns along with the people from walpole the top administrators actually came down and the chief of police because they had some issues with traffic so again there was a plan supposed lead to be presented and it was presented and they put into place and we got into traffic and this year is a resident i went to high school scrimmage game and there was an away game came home about twelve thirty and experience four hours of traffic half a mile from my house so i was stuck part of the stop and shop and i actually had to shut my my motorcycle my vehicle off because it was just get nowhere and i overheard the manager talking to the deputy sheriff saying see i told you was going to be bad so traffic to me in my opinion wasn't really any better than previous previous years so that's a that's an issue  i just compare this event does a like a woodstock today woodstock festival infused into a time of seventeen thousand and on a saturday you know pete residents are committed to their families and their household events to family events soccer games football games etc and it's just such an inconvenience you just gridlock to can't get around the town most to most people or some people put in here probably experience to the law enforcement agencies they did they did a great job you know with  resources but they're maxed out let's face it you know this is this is we're not we're we're town trying to act like a big city it times when these events happen in the warm foresman guys they would just maxed out they did the best they could and i overhe two i actually spoke to one of the deputy sheriffs said he worked two sixteen hour shifts that's a lot i had the unfortunate experience of going up to the police station going up there my family yes items that had happened resulting from that event and that's not really the reason why i'm up here i'm just concerned about the safety and how the town handles this whole event but i was really surprised and shocked to see that there was a tent and a table and poured portable toilets and everything was set up up there with the expectation of a large quantity of people that were going to be taken into custody in advance i mean without preparation but that right there should tell residents you know what's going on with this with this event why do we have to have that kind of a set up in the public service building is brand new when we can't even handle this kind of a processing of custody which in my mind should so the other thing too is there is a loophole in my model called a loophole the access to get to this event for people to non whole ticket holding persons in particular underage teens you can get  event you don't have to have a ticket to get into the stadium on the stadium grounds you just have to claim that you're going to other retail the retail stores or theater or whatever you choose you can park your car i have a ticket here that that i obtained that direct evidence saying that you could park appear but you have to you arrive prior to six o'clock and you can weave vehicle in the walk till nine o'clock so they give you a window to spend some time of the retail but the teenagers come over there and they end up parking their cars and they can just walk over and start tailgating and drinking drinking underage and that was pretty much how they do it that's so that's a loophole and it should be concerned with the town because it's just easy for underage drinking it's something that we need to address so in conclusion i just that seriously rethink reconsider and consider the fallout that happens from this event when the application comes around next year i mean personally friday night i didn't see too much of an impact as far as traffic goes which was ok but saturday was a whole different story again it's just it's just i think the fact that we picked up the you mass football games not that it has any  and service advisory committee hosting again for the second year of the national p o w m i a remembrance day and it's a saturday a quarter of five if you went to it last year you saw the mass one rolling thunder in the legion riders and it's  quite a show it's memorable they'll have the missing man table narration read again and if you are around it it's worth the hour so it's quarter of five on saturday at our common i want to give a quick shot a shout out as the to the foxboro planning board who is wrapping up the final stages of their master plan and some of us have gone to that and they both use you see about thirty or forty people that would come to these sessions and with the planning board is did is they reached out with their consultants they went door to door to businesses they went through email in web sites to get as much information from the people as possible had a series of discussion groups and presented last week  the close to nearing completion of the master plan and it's quite it's quite a document you can see it on foxboro masterplan dot com and if you get a chance to look at it if nothing else look at the vision statement it was quite insightful to see people across different groups having the opportunity to to say where the town is going to go and have people listen so it is a living breathing document as a planning board says it did a fantastic job so take the time to look at it everyone paid for it a lot of money for it so don't let it go to waste and lastly i reached out to charlie masses and you know charlie he did last show behind the scenes last week and he did over six hundred shows with a span of eleven years hundreds of people residents had come with different groups and sat with him it's an unbelievable piece of literature documentation for the town so with charlie and for fox but cable access t v for hosting it for the eleven years i asked charlie to come and sit with us next week for ten minutes just if you want to call it a deep briefing or a way to say thank you because it was a it was a phenomenal era that he had an haven't seen it done by many local cable talk shows that go to that level so if that's ok with the board we'll have him on next week so that's it from my citizens input a couple   mr paygo so they asked me to put together a priority list of repairs for town hall supplying so possibly could do to improve this building and with the help of joe maloney and michael killing from k v a and the consultant from arc arc health who put together a report on the interior environmental logical building code requirement format the health assessment i will be honest with you it's not a chicken little scenario  we did air quality tests on mold especially this carbon dioxide a radiant radio and lead and the only thing that's in this building that is really a health concern if think that's a surprise to anybody it's up there but that's certainly going to put a damper on what we can do with some of the systems that are up there so that will be included in this does mitigate down a little bit through the duct work but we'll get into that so what you go what these gentlemen will do is they're going to show you a priority list of repairs and which includes everything from the roof the to some other systems that need to be installed in this building and there are certain thresholds that the building code requires state law requires architectural access requires that as you get to a certain dollar amount in repairs you have to do other things automatically you just can't really you just can't really merely go through it and not trip requirements and that's purpose of the building code is to bring in as close to complying as possible with what you do some of the things for example we need a roof and you'll see that is  priority we can do a roof with no problem and put it on without disturbing anything on the interior but you do other things such as if we have to replace the windows which are necessity in this i mean with the wind we were having an hour ago the curtains were blowing but that would require relocation of staff because there is especially this caulking in all the thank you just going to visit this i just i want to reiterate this is really not about renovating the building or say not changing the work spaces it's really a question just repairs the things you have to do to fix know i thank you so we're going to get started as our bill mentioned there are thresholds that you encounter within the building codes that require you to do further upgrades in the building i know one of the more confusing aspects of the report that delivered june two thousand and eleven was the references of the code is confusing to everyone simplified as we can all tangle that we should put cable  reasons ethical reasons we looked at those per ties those based on what we felt needed to be done first to what needed to be done for continued occupants in the building were needed to be done for long term and short term maintenance of the  building the first pressure that you encounter when you doing repairs on a building with the excess ability board is hundred thousand dollars that requires you to renovate making sensible one entrance in the building one toilet in the building and one water fountain in the building a lot of buildings have this elements are already accessible this building however does not in this building as you'll see in the next plan will need to renovate the entrance both bathrooms and the water found in this building to make it compliant the next threshold that's encountered is also for excess ability and based on the the assessed value of this building once the work exceeds for missy's in one thousand nine hundred fifty dollars you would need to make the entire building and the site accessible and in compliance with the a b then including the first three items that are on the list this is based on requirement in the building code for construction that exceeds thirty percent of the assessed value of the building and that number is based on that thirty percent value it doesn't matter where you get the work it doesn't matter if the work is for repairs for renovations for painting for whatever it's the value of work done in a building to upgrade the building required by perm it is over a period of three years so you take any work that you've done in the past three years or project to do in the next three years and you combine that to see if that exceeds that value the tricky thing is that if you don't get to close that value because any change or that occurs in a project also could trip that requirement and that leads to a large unexpected cause in the building so as part of the of the approaches ation of repairs was a look at that as a number to give us some guidance on where you might want to put some of the repairs that building another separates by still equally as important threshold that is surpassed is for sprinklers in the fire code it's a two pronged kind of requirement whether you exceed thirty three percent of the assessed value the building and any renovation projects or thirty three percent of the area of the building is is has renovations performed on it you're required to upgrade the entire building and make it police frankly that threshold is an aggregate cost that's over span of five years at the discretion of the fire department exceeds the cost and the threshold requirement of  but it is over five years or again you have to go back five years from the that you're expecting to get the permit for whatever work you're to be doing and then project that to make sure that you can perform that work without triggering typically if you trigger either the accessibility or the fire protection one of the other goes because the so close in the percentage of the assessed value the building require that you correct the vestibule the toilets and the water found the toilets basically can stay the size they are but you lose a fixture in each instead of being a two fixture toilet room that's multiple person room in our becomes a single use toilet room where only one person at a time can use it it's kind of it's actually much smaller than is allowed by code for building a size especially for a building with an assembly room of this size but except for a large in the toilets almost of the outside wall of the building that's the only thing that we can do and still provide access for toilet rooms the water cooler the water fountains have to be made into it you've seen double water cools the hi lo version so that people different or disability can use it that has created and the issue with the with the vestibule is that the existing wall came to about here it didn't have the proper clearance between the two doors that has been moved back and the biggest problem is that it now lessens the size of the counter  the hundred thousand dollars threshold are distinct without showing all of the issues that occur with the bringing type building up to code we just couldn't do that signage door accessibility hardware multiple issues occur in the building that outline it is written report and the cost analysis that tells you what you have to do but the elevator placement is the biggest problem because of the structure of the building this building is constructed out of concrete planks that span from the front of the building over a couple of concrete beams in the basement to the back of the building and locating a hole in those concrete plans is extremely difficult we've had a lot of problems in the past in different building something small holes for duct work to pass through because once you start penetrating the cores of those pre cast planks with the rebar and stuff in them it really gets to be tricky structurally to reinforce them and make them stable so one of the locations it was available to us was this old stair which is now your copy room it doesn't eliminate usable office space which is a priority right now and it also is in a place where you have a flat slab because that was part separately out of this plank system as a as a flat stub for the stair  the other option would have been a put it in this location because there's also a beams that are pola by four columns in those locations that isolate that for the framing for the vault which is beside it unfortunately that location would take about two hundred fifty square feet away from the revenue office which we thought was not a priority right now and we didn't want to do that so as a recommendation a suggestion only that's a possible location the elevator go it is a very expensive proposition as well as all the other hand idea over a period of time and a lot of these renovation should have been performed in the past because public buildings need to be accessible to the public however this is not enforced by the billing spector's really is enforcement by civil statute next requires you to take down ceilings to put in the sprinkler piping insulate the attic and do some ventilation issues seals it's an extensive process also based on our discussions in the last presentation that we had we did prioritized list of recommended repairs short term repairs that we had presented in the report primarily out of the list of probably thirty five or forty repairs these were seen as repairs that were the most important both for short term maintenance of the building and occupancy of the building replacing the roof is seen as the priority issue which can it can lead to many other problems in the building the cost trigger that's formed by the hundred thousand dollars you can see will be easily reached by either roofing replacement and some other repair is or placing the exterior windows which we all see as being another issue that hundred thousand dollars threshold would add another sixty five thousand nine hundred dollars by our estimate to correct the entrance the toilet rooms and the water coolers that added with the next four items in our priority list would bring you to the cost trigger for the hundred percent upgrade for a b automatically in essence that triggers the upgrade for sprinklers throughout the entire building on magically and then seven eight nine which are fairly well important but fall to the bottom of the list replacing the mechanical system including your going to xing replacing the end equated electrical system and adding an electrical generator to back up for the building to run during  construct events like a hurricane or whatever one thing i didn't mention during the course of this is the i p c the international existing building code which is what is governing construction in the state of massachusetts for buildings under renovation this replaces a section of the building code was adopted massachusetts last year it's fairly new this has a sliding scale of renovation and how it's applied to the building if you look at the outline that i did previously for has three levels for four levels of renovation repairs operational one two and three depending on the level of renovation that you're doing the square footage in the area the building that you're renovating different in different levels of renovation upgrade are necessary in the building for example if you're doing small renovations of the building and alteration of one you only have to modify and bring up to code the issues that you're dealing with in the immediate work here in the room you're working in if you go up to level three which is modifying more than fifty percent of the floor of the building you have to do other things like are operating all the exits in the building to make them code compliant you have to do seismic studies as this is calling on for in both level two and level three the seismic studies we've done studies for as part of our last report but because it's on a sliding scale and it's difficult to say based on this party list what you would do as part of any renovations i can say that you would need to do those studies you have to renovate the building s for putting in windows because it doesn't exceed the value the square footage requirement in the building for that that trigger however down this far into the building renovation for these immediate items i would yes that over a short period of time that these items would trigger that requirement for that study to be performed and if it does trigger the study to be performed based on a previous review of the building you would have to break the building for seismic also which is reinforced next year the building with steel frames or other methods to get it to be stable in an earthquake if i can if i could point out to the board i believe the made the short term repair list that you have and you pack what joe also did when i asked him to do was which of those repairs would require relocation of staff and that that's important because that figure doesn't  show up again for example windows relocation of staff we couldn't be here while that's abated obviously if we were to reinsulate and do some work in the ne attic we'd be out of here for a while  we have to relocate so there's no court that cost is not in here but significant to do that and the board would would have to consider to replace the windows and relocate us for two done and what type of interruption of service would that do for the community just for two weeks for that or at that point do you go the full boat and say ok we've got we're somewhere else to take care well so for a longer period of time so i mean those are important things that you need i think see in the point of this was to say that you know we just can't rubber band and duct tape this place together there are requirements and that's what needs to do we need to do to it's just the repair of those things and there are systems here that are failing and we need to address them so i think we one thing we need to point out that michael stated early in the presentation was that this is only part of the repair was that we outlined in the report previously if you chose to go the repair rather than do we have an invasion or or a new building highest issue most immediate need repairs see the building occupy of all but it also is only repairs this doesn't touch the basements at all providing any more usable space in the building to accommodate the people that work here doesn't make there's no space planning involved to make the space more efficient and there is no increase in space to allow people to have more room to work that would be a separate thing to changing the cells down t was downstairs or any place up here as part of a renovation project is not included in that cost this is only for repairs keep the building moving forward and hopefully it's a good how we hope that's a guide to allow you to plan if you plan to go this  on repairs and give you some idea of where these cost thresholds lie and how you can trigger them so you can plan for that and not have to come up as a surprise are there any questions we can address to the board and put  the reason i commissioned this study was because the board has asked the question in the past why we don't make repairs why are we basically sitting here allowing this building to fall apart with each passing year and as i know the board understand because you're in here it is getting worse and it's leaking more we have later tonight if we get the phone the storms in weather that they're  predicting you will probably see the roof leaking and you'll see water running across the floors downstairs and coming in the windows and all sorts of things on it and it gets worse with each passing year because the deterioration to the window sills of the roof and everything is continuing the dilemma is the proverbial catch twenty two is what architects and bill of just laid out as we spend the money required to make the repairs to halt the deterioration of the building we subsequently trigger all the thresholds which require to spend more money and you can't really do anything meaningful to preserve the building without getting into the multi million dollar scenario that they just laid out and when you're all done with the multi million dollar scenario you basically still have an inadequate bad building which is the reason why my predecessor randy and i have not come to the counter budget committee with those kinds of repair requests because i think it's both of our feeling as well as bill's the architects the building committee bill you open who spoke on the board before that to spend those kinds of dollars to make the building sound to prevent the further deterioration is throwing good money after bad because what we really have to confront is that this building is badly in need of replacement it has got to be replaced it simply makes no spend sense to spend a couple million dollars fixing the building and then having a building which is still disgraceful in appearance and completely inadequate to the needs of the people who want to pirate and completely inadequate to the needs of the public so i can't the good conscience bring forward those requests for those kinds of money because it simply makes no sense to take the taxpayers money and spend it on a poor investment by the same token we can't really sit here and continue to do nothing we've been doing this now for two years since the report was initially made and so i guess what i'm saying to the board is i think it's time to fish or cut  we either need to get those big dollars and stop the further deterioration if it is your thought that you would wish us to be in this building for an extended period of time or we need to lay this case before the voters and have them decide if they want to provide the money to replace the building appropriate to start the process of planning and move forward in the end will have to get it done sooner or later i mean we have the same problem fire station which is way worse in this situation that we're in in now and so we  we kicked it around i thought it was last year when it was unanimous on this board if we maintain it or renovate it or not get down to build a new one and a study indicated at the time think we cross the is it worth doing it or not bridge last year i think mr chairman a member of the board with your permission we wanted to make this presentation tonight is the first step and if the board is indeed in the place where you know your feeling is that it's time to make the decision then what we'd like to do is present you in two weeks with the finance plan elements of the old one but we have some new opportunities that we didn't frankly have a year ago that make it i think more powerful to the board more palatable the outcome and ultimately more palatable to the voters and to the community and more likely that we could you know get the support is needed to do it of that's wherever the board will put before you to potentially sell and i think we'll have a plan that's reasonable and we'll find out with by the way alternatives so that if you say well we don't like that piece we'll have some ideas for when we can stop supplying it with this  design take out to bid and then in the spine present the construction money or do both now it's really your call it's been studied very extensively we have a very good cost estimate or who's done the estimate so we're very brief feel the figure is a solid and would be ready to put with a little bit of work to update it would be ready to put the entire issue before the voters and for all of that's what you wanted or we could just put the design money and come back with the construction money in the spring what i would not recommend is that we wait till the spring to do anything because then i think we're sacrificing another entire year and as i've said before perhaps a more melodramatic fashion than i needed to but i'll try to be more or less melodramatic and more factual my concern is that if we continue to do nothing something bad is going to happen you know with the roof because it's just very unstable and i think we don't want to create an emergency by delay we want to move as expeditious as we can  for the roof or hang on for another year while we're designing and then hopefully by summer of next year we'll be moving the stuff out of the building into temporary quarters or trying to stay in he her for another year i don't know how well it works but that's a possibility as well while construction of the new facility begins just quick quick question you time out structurally and using phrases like you know hopefully it'll last another year and his senior thing in the report that said this roof is going to fall down in a year so i don't want to go in that direction already been through the most in the lead in the as best this and at this guy's not falling in that it needs to get done but i don't want to start saying if it's not done in a year or shingles yeah the shingle is a terminology it's a little at think people figure that out quick if it's a panic thing it's not a panic thing it's the right thing to do in the process and it's been going on for you know a lot more than two years so you know to russia for fall time meeting is a little problematic you know for a special i don't know yet i was going to suggest that we do it in two parts that the last time we were talking about this the idea was to have that design money approved so we really nailed down the costs so that we would only be looking to finance a real you know we'd have a real amount that we could sink our teeth into in terms of that financial analysis because then if we have those costs it's clear what we need and it's not a situation where we ask for x millions of dollars but in fact we end up needing much less than that so i would suggest we consider that to  look at the design dollars proposal for the town meeting vote in the fall and then wait for the spring from building  i just had a question yes and by that to me outside but i know that the post office is supposed to be you know relocating and only having a storefront there i'm wondering is that something that you folks would look into as a possibility to get that building which is already you know obviously accessible because it's not that old of the building right but it's not something that you'd be interested i've had conversation with several post office officials who are involved in the real estate section and folks in boston that are at an even higher level the indication from them is that the post office is unlikely to be in a position to decide if they're actually to sell or not for some time they do want to study about relocation i did have the conversation you know if they did at some point make a decision that i thought it would be a wonderful marriage between the post office and the town hall now to combine them because they want the retail presence of the post office even if they sell the building the problem is if we we keep waiting you know for some of them to happen and meanwhile we keep not making the repairs and i think we're really at a decision point here i think we've got we've got to do something you know i don't think that that gentleman from d c got back to you because  yeah it's not oh we can't say with certainty what the buildout cost would be there we know it's significant it's in the millions we know that but we can't get in there right now because they want to allow us to go when to have our just i don't think we can seriously consider it and the reason is because you know i think you're at a point where at the special we've got to make a move if we wait another year i just not don't think that's responsible so if we wait a year or even to get the design money to see if the post office is going to pay and on and on let's say the post office doesn't now another year behind and i think the continued the way is is is causing the building to do is to deteriorate and i don't think that's responsible we either need to spend some money and stabilize it or we need to move on and go a different direction but i don't think we can continue to do nothing but the option is using the feasibility study that castle b associates did as the basis if we go to for meeting and a special time meeting for the permit ing and construction document fines that you'll have at that point you'll have a design a fix cost they can go to bed and then in the spring put it to the town voters to you'll know the price then put between the fall in the spring the package that you've been looking at to finance it whether it's selling town assets or cobbling things that's going to happen between the fall and spring we're actually looking to begin selling assets very soon and i think right up to next week we will have an odd auction and we will begin planning for knocking his building down and making new plans for this exact location and let's just get moving forward with this i really think it's important it's tell you it's not a we we have five hundred we have to go tell me i thought we had the authority to give you the money to know the planning it's got no it has to be tom meeting vote to appropriate that money really yeah i misunderstood i mean we can both try to look good and i love writing checks read the board of selectmen of the town of foxborough acting as the local licensing authority pursuant to mass general laws chapter one thirty eight will continue a public hearing to tuesday september eighteenth two thousand and twelve at seven thirty five p m in the andrew a gala junior meeting room forty south street foxboro massachusetts an application for new to new officer slash director issuance of stock transfer of stock and new stock holder of an annual all alcoholic beverages restaurant license from ninety nine restaurant to boston l l c for fisher street foxboro massachusetts on trista party persons are invited to attend the hearing yes thank you the ninety nine was owned by tennessee publicly owned company known as old charlie zinc and all of all all of the stock which always was bought by fidelity national financial link another publicly traded company und forty two restaurants under three concepts located in twenty six states there are sixty one ninety nine samantha to it which i think makes it the largest chain in massachusetts  that the purchase price and cost approximately two hundred twenty five million dollars now due to the complexity of the transaction and the number of russians involve we instituted the inverted process where we went to the a the grandparent level company is going to have a change of offices and directors so that's what that that those were requesting tonight change of offices and directors and transfer of stock however the manager of this russia is go stay the same i think your name is pamela brown days and the operation is going to stay the same the hours are going to stay the same the concepts are going to stay the same and really nobody's going to know there's any real difference at the at the manager or any of that stuff so ok so i guess in summary from a very high level it is people who are transfer stocks staff stays the same hours everything stays the violation not at all i mean this is the first i would be hearing of that as far as this process was concerned there's a letter that you should have from ralph sacramone even the executive director approving of the paperwork in this transaction but no i'm not aware of anything anyway ok so we're looking for a motion to a proving we do one motion for everything has their motion motion to close the public hearing let in motion close by lorraine second by linda and a further discussion of those in favor of closing five to nothing open up for discussion i just thanks for coming for taking the time to come and explain in case you know we had any question so i do appreciate your time and the ninety nine year advice from leeds is well respected you know we just gave them a no one else no more discussion or motion so motion to prove the application for a new officer director issuance of stock transfer of stock and new stock holder for johns oh i'm sorry i'm sorry i thought we were a minute early but we're a little late what we could do for our actions that work for the town several members have been meeting on a regular basis we're really not at the point that we would want anything to go on to the special to say so what you have in front of you are as really a services of notes taken over three meetings with an ad hoc committee the second of which we met with representative barrows and senator tumulty which was suggested and someone on the committee reached out to them the i think it was in the third meeting that someone in the group said you know asked what is it we're trying to do here and someone made the quote make them whole and no net gain for the service member and the group kind of agree that that seemed to be the intention of the law the local option that the state presented is that someone who was being deployed and was making x number of dollars and then was going to lose a significant amount of that pay because you know of their salary in the military the intention was that they don't lose their home they don't go into debt they don't run into problems by getting you know going through day to day expenses so you know we thought maybe that captured the essence and the second part no net gain i think was a big part of the resistance and why a well intentioned state local option was not adopted back in in the spring so we're talking to our legislators they suggested that the only way we  something other than adopt the local option was to do a home rule pretty petition otherwise we really can't change what they've presented and so the group talked about some  considering a cap on it and we didn't go to any exact timelines or exact dollars because i think that's to be done by a future committee to be named to actually draft this thing or we did was come up with some guidelines to move it forward so it kept we subject suggested something like twenty thousand dollars or what have you next a cap on the amount of time that there's a benefit could be used for that single use something like eighteen months and that would be to include the the work up orders immediately preceding the deployment cap on frequency something like twice in five years or twice in ten years what have you and then do it to minimum zte that was suggested one was a minimum time that the person should be working as a town a factor in ploy and the second one is a minimum time amount of time that person should be in the military because there was because the get up a town meeting in the spring and said what if somebody walks right in the door and then joins the military order somebody is working for the town immediately joins the military and then deploys we don't think that sort of thing is going to happen but anyway the it was suggested i think a couple of times that it's unfair for something like this to be offered to employees of the town and not to every resident of the town and the committee that they did meet disagreed with that and offers moving forward that this is a plan for the be reviewed annually and then you can see a list of other considerations down the bottom has run through very any any questions of just on the on the resolutions to some of the concerns other considerations that were also discussed but we didn't come to quite a spearhead on were that these service members you know they may need to turn in their las statements to leave in earnings statements  you know to show how much they're earning and the question was raised what's the tax impact when somebody you know working in a combat zone in there you know tax free and the question was raised how much and representative barrow suggested was that now that we are part of what town district that if this is something that we that we craft and we think it's a good plan then it ought to be shared and possibly adopted by the other three towns after foxborough you know shows that this is successful and then one of the questions that were raised or concerns was we need to look are any unintended consequences and i think that resulted that was actually one of the one of our representatives questions and that question came from the fact that there seemed to be some unintend consequences from the local option that we put forth before so and then we did the the next step would be to go to get the actual salary and wage figures and get the actual military rank salary of people that this would affect and then to less questions for council one was to confirm with council that the town would not be liable if someone were to be injured on deployment which seems like an obvious answer yet there actually they have two employers they're actively being employed by the military but they still are attached to the town we thought we knew the answer to that would probably be a question for the town council in the last thing the committee of the ad hoc committee wanted insurance from town council but nothing from the bargaining units could change or supersede the contents of the petition once it's finished you say that again i'm quite sure that some insurance from town council that nothing from bargaining units moving forward into the future could change or supersede what would be adopted as this as this home  recommended i was doing a rough draft proposal forest they would run it by both some house and senate council for some recommendations and some of you know some refinement before we wrote up anything to bring before time committee to ask for permission i mean but for a town meeting to make sure that we were covering what the what they might have on point might have objections to they they felt that their the likely going to pass him was good that the only thing that they felt would be an an impediment would proselyte be the ways and means committee  taking something on and then later on three quarters of the way through a year not having the funding to support it and then going before you know for them for some supplemental funding so that was there that was the one one thing that they thought might be an impediment right so that the recommendations that we would make coming out of this are then a committee be appointed whether it's an already designated committee or a new committee because what we've had is an ad hoc committee we've taken no votes made no decisions you know other than a little bit of guidance as i said so maybe designate a committee to write a draft see some some council and then present the plan to the river reviewing authorities here and then to include it on the on the spring a t m if it's ready and i think the the advisor committee when i went through it the first time it was that split was at half half it was it was six to look for mike yeah i would like to see it it makes sense to me that we do have the veteran services advisory committee that might be a good committee to take this on or another committee that progresses but i don't think i don't think that this ad hoc committee is the right committee to carry this football forward so you don't need any appointment from this board for a committee that just you're going to you're go that unless someone wants to designate a committee like the veteran service committee should be the one to take this and move forward as we've recommended navalny if you recommend that we formally build a committee with the adhoc members that we have them will do that would just need a formal formal appointments to do that how did you draft a last time it was it was a warrant out to go by the selectmen correct i mean it was our warrant article but you brought it to the so i said this is just you know you know council of the board is the big thing for the for the fall town meeting was we we thought it was valuable that the that the house and senate side council does take a look at it as well as a town council and and there time to do that for the for town meeting so that's something that we need to wait till the spring will be the main the of the long know i just want to echo what mike said because this is a pretty extensive bit of resource that need to take place and you're also going to need to work with the attorney general because prior town council often opinion that the agency is going to have to be dialogue with because when they do except in statute they don't like towns that come along with their own laws about something they've already written so they're going to be resistive to this idea and so we have to have a very good dialogue with them right away or what will happen is a huge amount of work will take place and if tom meeting were to pass it then it could very well be rejected by the agency and that would be not be a tragedy yeah that's exactly what our legislators said just like that is that you know rather than doing all this work presenting it and then it comes and gets thrown back at us it makes sense to send it to the you know the the house and the senate and you know talk with the a g and then get our own opinions from our town council and before we get the card ahead of the horse if mike is comfortable with the veterans advisory committee would take this on as a challenge i would suggest to the board that i think they're just looking for the board's blessing to say we would like to have you do it because frankly there's an awful lot of work that's going to take place here if it's good any chance of getting us from want to remember when we say spring more we're really talking about the  go all done by roughly the first of february so we're really talking months here as it is ok we're not talking may we're talking really for months all this it will be hard to get this done so michael bob you've already rolled up his legion know what needs to get done so rather put you on the spot why don't you if you want to use the vs group that's already together but take the time and put together a group that may have some of them and other people you know if you need outside expertise and then you can come back to us with  like to quickly review for you what's going on out at the reservoir these days with regard to cleaning up the industrial pollution which occurred in the reservoir historically several heavy metals cadmium in particular those discharges where do under permit from both state and federal environmental stories and i'm going to be talking this evening just about the heavy metals so under the state's superfund law which is also referred to as the massachusetts contingency plan or m c p sometimes section twenty one he the party that discharged contaminants into the reservoir of the foxborough company was required to prepare what's known as a phase three remedial action plan in which they were to assess the potential of any and all alternatives could be used to clean up the pollutants in the rest or the heavy metals foxborough company and their consultants prepare that phase three report and in it they concluded that there is no technically feasible and cost effective remediation alternative they could clean up the cafe and the state department of environmental protection which oversees the m c p process signed off on that phase three report and then at that point i know there's a lot of a lot of detail here but at that point the foxboro company was required to prepare what's known as  a response action outcome and they did that earlier this year and that was released in july response action outcome and that is now available for public comment through october fifteenth this is the response action outcome report i know the board of selectmen received a copy you're on the mailing list so there's one kicking around someplace there's also a copy your billable review and where the library we have a copy conservation commission board of the board of water and sewer so there are copies of this available we also can make it available in electronic form but he prefers that first this report asserts that everything's fine out of the reza four and we disagree white strenuously with that among other things to qualify for what's called a class c r a o  it has to be the case that the pollution situation is not getting any worse and we believe that that has not been clearly proven there is currently no good information on what is coming down gudgeon broke into the reservoir it's a complicated situation and why that's the case that there's no good information on that but there is not so heavy metals could conceivably level in the water so for technical reasons we think there's a flaw in this i think much more importantly our second general objection to this response action outcome had some field work conducted at the reservoir some some empirical studies which prove conclusively that the situation out there is not getting better by itself over time this spring  we had a consultant go out and take a bunch of samples from the bottom sediments in the reservoir and measure the amount of kept me in that was there and this figure shows a whole pile of results i'm not going to go over all  them all just sort of hit a couple the high points but these colored zones represent areas of decreasing concentration of cadmium in the bottom sediments as you get further away from the mouth of  was historically the source of the discharge and if you compare these data from the spring of two thousand and twelve with the data that the foxboro company collected back in one nine hundred ninety  eight as part of the m c p process you find that the concentration of cadmium in the sediments has not decreased at all over fourteen years between one thousand nine hundred eight and two thousand and twelve so the reservoir is not getting better by itself and we believe that if it's hasn't improved at all in fourteen year in the last fourteen years it's not going to improve on its own over any kind of reasonable time scale we also have these breakout bar charts here each of these says two bars on the right is the spring two thousand and twelve sampling and  amount of cadmium in the sediments there and then on the left is a bar showing the cadmium concentration in the sediments from the close a sampling station from nine hundred ninety eight and you can see that in almost all these cases the amount of ca resources nor the money to investigate that there really we believe that invensys should be required to answer the question of why there is more cadmium in the bottom sediments in two thousand and twelve than in going to happen we believe is not occurring and it's not going to occur at least not on any kind of reasonable time scale so we object to that portion of the response action outcome and then our third general objection is that one requirement for an r a o is that if proposed the term of art is definitive an enterprising steps for remediating the situation and we believe that this report does not propose definitive enterprising steps invensys and their consultants over the next five years are kids and their reasons for wanting to know that are laid out in here we don't believe that that is definitive enterprising we think that quite a bit more monitoring of cadmium in the water in the settlements is warranted and we also believe much more importantly that invents a should be required over the next five years if they're not going to clean it up  to at least investigate and ideally pilot test some of the techniques that could be used in the future to clean it up five years from now they will be required to do another major review and we think that we would hope that by five years from now if not before considerably more information would be available let me give you just one quick example so you know what kinds of things we're talking about invensys in their consultants concluded in the face three report that you can't dredge out the reservoir because there are too many stumps out there and they said that with no documentation or in our opinion justification we again have been working with our consultants to actually map the stumps out in the reservoir and we don't believe that they are so dense as to constitute less than definitive in enterprise i mentioned that this is open for public comment through october fifteenth you courage anybody in the town to review it but in some of the comments we're hoping that the board of selectmen will want to make some official public comments and r s c would be happy to provide any information and we can give you our copies of that comparable work that we've been doing provide p j barrows other representatives from the tower their board of health conservation commission not to say it fell down fell on deaf ears but it went through that process and they you know they publish this new report with another five year waiting period so i think it's valuable to take a second look and get comments and by the fifteenth you know wish we could do more i mean i thought it was a pretty strong letter that we had done with the follow up in a after the first meeting that we had something and then i was surprised at the second meeting and then you get something she'll even doing this for what twenty years twenty six years and so it's really strong reese did a great job on the industrial pollution side of things and he reference that there's another whole lot of this which is the bosphorus side and i just wanted to let you know that there are some things going right on the phosphorus side of things and i wanted to say thank you very much to conservation commission who has always been wonderful to work with and they have been facilitating with us a couple of things that we do want an annual basis with respect to the phosphorus the first is and will draw down we have phosphorus that stays in the water column while the water is still at a certain temperature and prior to the water temperature dropping we do an annual trial like to do an annual drawdown and the conservation commission working with the d p w has been great this year we started the draw down last year so that's one of our best tools dealing with phosphorous the other thing is that d p w again through conservation commission has just gone out and weed whacker which is great when you have an earthen dam one of the primary ways to care for it is weed lacking and moaning and that retains the structural integrity of an see through the water at all and made for a very bad fishing day but it's not just at the dam is that in algae your yes strong algae yeah we've been working for several years now to try and control the nuisance effects of excess nutrients in the reza for you can suppress algae blooms and you can kill weed overgrowth in the reservoir but it requires chemical means and we're reluctant to use those if we don't have to so it's a it's a balancing act but the water quality right now and frankly for the first seeable future will continue to be affected by the excess nutrients we hope that with our annual drawdowns and with our best estimate of what appropriate management steps are in the way of herbicide use or suppression of the algae blooms we you've been doing it for quite a while you're also professional some of you are in the business but you've also hired ellis he's lace inside professionals to do your testing so it's not you going out in your backyard picking up a sample so it's one l s p verse another l s p and hopefully you know do the public comment process through a second look maybe to make some process progress thank you you mr develops the applications do the twenty eighth the september it's not quite finished but because you're not reading between now and then i needed to catch you this evening jim spoke about the master plan and one of the primary recommendations is we needed to do some way find a few in the downtown and when i saw this grant which one of the eligible categories was way finding in downtown i said we have to go for that but we're proposing to create a logo and branding for downtown put up banners and signs which would gabby and i picked one that we liked would look something like this it says downtown foxboro instead of plymouth  and create a digital guide to downtown using foursquare as the basis and this is an existing program that we can further customize so people could buy in the hours of things the daily specials and other so it's not except for the budget the anticipated outcomes and the town's ability to proceed i also want to do include a section where we would evaluate or measure whether or not we've felt we've been successful in doing this work because i don't like to do things just for the sake of doing things i want to make sure that we've affected a change so with your consent i'd like to request it chairman signed the grant application on behalf of the town  from the board just a question for the jaycees and on that they put a ban is that christmas time is that that still be viable for them sure that he was and know each year they would like to add and there's a  so we just wanted to have something a little bit more often up there part of the if you don't know foxborough you're trying to drive around the common you're paying attention to the traffic you miss all for lack of better words good stuff you're going ok thanks for being patient you want to one two three four one two three grab another i thanks and before we started i just want to say a couple words and i don't know how it's going to turn out but i just wanted to set at least a little bit of a tone first of all i want to say thank you guys for coming we asked you to come in as a courtesy you came to to discuss with us so thank you for doing that it was it was my hope this this process has been going on for a month or so to couple months beginning of august where there's some potential for some development up on road to some some phase two  it was my intent to have a nice open discussion tonight i saw the reporter last week and you know for a pass town council that no longer works for us to go in   it wasn't as chairman it was a my directive to go to the newspaper there's going to be plenty of time once the discussion goes the report is always at this meeting but for any board member to go to the reporter for his or her specific case to be made before it comes to the meeting i apologize for that a way i don't want to set the tone this way and we're already starting off on the bad foot in response and you guys had an open letter to the people telling them to contact your representatives because what you're doing is good and i get it in your it's a private company you can do that but if we're going to start going back and forth with the press to try to influence what's happening at this table we can certainly do it but it's not going to end well i have confidence that you know i'm not disagreeing with attorney duran's is agreeing with them or disagreeing but the fact that it's out there now and we're trying to play catch up at this table we're all qualified to ask those questions to have our opinion at this table and have that discussion and i hope moving on the board of selectmen doesn't find it necessary to go every week and state their case separate from the table and i hope when you guys don't start doing the same thing there's a lot of potential for some good stuff to happen on phase two i think it's our duty to vet all that out and if it's good for the town certainly if it's good for you we'll help you as quickly as we can and make it as easy unfor guys are looking to do some of the purview is on the board of selectmen some is on the planning board some is on the water and sewer and you know whether like it or not it's it goes back to two thousand and seven and everybody has an opinion so it's not going to be an easy road but is is  i guess my request as chairman of this process please keep it civil please don't go out of bounds and try to make your case independently of the table have plenty of time to make it here we don't need the mess that was you know that was had the potential of happening over the last week you know as you know i didn't speak with attorney duran's s his firm still works for the town he can give a private opinion but to bring that to the newspaper is beyond me jim so i just want explain  attorney durant's did not bring that to the paper i brought that my point is if you're a selectman i thought we had an agreement that we weren't going to do that so in my book that might be you know that's a different story but i want to be asking is if you did it it's done please don't do it again you know it's a free you're all elected you do what you want to do but if i'm chairman and it makes it difficult to get progress for the town or progress for one of our businesses it's going to become an issue and that's all i'm asking is he was a little more restrained so he can have some productive meetings and i understand and i agree i think it really applies to both sides of the equation here for this particular situation so i do understand what you're saying all right with that podium don we invited you to i think we had a couple questions if if you can explain what you're looking to do up on route one to expand and start the dialogue and i know you've done it already but i think it's helpful for us to hear it firsthand thank you for great and i appreciate your comments to jim i think ted's going to kind of walk you through some ideas that we have to date not unlike what he did with the ad hoc committee that linda was running  that we presented to some other boards and committees actually been working on this a couple of years now working on a term sheet i think it's a good place right now where as you say you know we want to go forward we want to you know start the there's not a lot new that i that i can expand upon from what we discussed that the ad hoc committee i did bring a couple of graphics with me if you think that would be helpful tend to give a gun or not labor but a lot of people don't know what was said of the i don't commute so if you could stop from the beginning express what you want to do is all sure because when you say that i never attend those meetings in solving a lot of people in the community as and as no talking involved a lot of people so i think from a big picture perspective we learned what has worked well a patriot place in the past five years you know we opened the big box retailer in the fall of two thousand and seven patriot place north marketplace in the summer in the fall of two thousand and eight the world has changed dramatically since two thousand and eight as we all know fortunately we were able to bring the project to a near conclusion of the initial lease up but some of the things we've learned along the way is that the restaurant entertainment uses have thrived patriot place we are on the map nationally as a destination for those kinds of uses we are being sought out by  restaurant and entertainment tenants to locate a patriot place so we want to build on that strength and that some of the things that i've presented and i'll touch on a little more detail in a minute our hotel the renaissance hotel and spa has done very well at patriot place and we've had an expression of interest to add a second hotel on the property the medical center does very well there looking this is the brigham and women's mass general health care center they're doing very well they're looking to expand within the building we the retail was was a bit of a slow start because of the economy in two thousand and eight we were building on that things like trader joe's that the community spoke up spoke up and said we want this at patriot place with your help we were able to get that in place it's opened very successfully and we hope to kind of parlay that into more successful retail openings so we're just trying to build on our strengths we also know that with the town masterplan effort and the housing production plan effort there are some opportunities to tie in with that with some selective zoning modifications things like multi family housing done the right way that's consistent with your goals for housing  production maybe something that's transit oriented with a commuter rail stop that we always thought should be fully activated it's there already it can tie and hopefully with some future sure encourage some future development across the street things that we talked about an army befuddling for that  there are some uses up and down route one that have been contacted over over the years for a car wash a gas station things like that that we've put on kind of a table that we'd like to talk about in more detail and see if there's an intelligent way to  some of these discussions are farther along than others  so this is a representative photo of japanese abaci steakhouse again these there's a tenant who i don't want to name today just because we would like to work with our tenants on public announcements but this would be the feel of the japanese about the steakhouse that would like to be a patriot place this is a rendering of a high end mexican restaurant who would again like to locate patriot place and just by way of background and i said this at the other committee we're not looking to just dump any and all restaurants into one location we want to be very selective and sensitive to our existing tenants we think that they all do a great job we're not looking to oversaturate cannibalize their business we want to do things that are additive to the entire equation and so we're trying to add restaurant options that are varied and add to the overall level of the high quality we've been talking for some time about a bowling and entertainment complex this is a representative photo of what the inside could look like there's an operator who has expressed serious interest and again if we can make it feasible for them i think we could land a deal on and get them a patriot place so those are those are photos of the kinds of things we have happening with as i mentioned we do have a hotel operator that is interested in adding a second hotel without going to any more detail that's that's the basically with that kind team you need more little licenses simple right to the point yes you have an idea how many you're looking for you know we term she had six all alcohol licenses and two of the package store type licenses you know legislation that we were successful in obtaining back you know six or seven for twelve additional licenses w doing that and my understanding is and maybe the attorneys can correct this that they're all based on population that you'd set up a home rule petition to the state legislature to increase the count for the town of foxborough and multi family housing you know the scale i was asked about the scale last time we were together based on one of the parcels that we had evaluated it could support two to three hundred units of housing done for high quality level tastefully fitting the scale of for that particular parcel but we don't have a specific plan ready to go i think the goal would be to work with the town the planning board to make it the right fit for everybody and you know we're not really ready to lay out a more specific plan until we have a more heated discussion with you all why would the housing be for employees who are well one of the things we've learned with patriot place in it and i'm sorry to repeat this for those who have heard it when we when we first planned it we did consider some residential built into the project some of the projects we visited around the country had second and third floor residential above ground floor retail and it was a bit cumbersome to execute that in the timeframe that we were looking to launch patriot place and so we just table that but you know to make patriot place a true mixed use project we have the office we have the hospitality we have the shopping in the restaurants but we don't really have the residential so if there's a smart way to add that it just adds to the the cycling of the entire area there and the hotel one or two or we have serious interest from one right now one additional we know we don't we're not pushing for a third at this point but i wouldn't want to rule it out it's just that the first one has been successful and operators come forward who's really we believe ready ready to move forward if we can work with  retailers that do sell alcohol i get i think it would be inappropriate for me to name names sitting here today but i think that if those licenses were available it would help attract some of those big box type  users obviously if we got to the point of having a real user and they applied for a license we come before this board they would come before this board and request it but to be able to have those licenses available where they presently are not will help us collectively attract potential large scale users to route one but that doesn't mean that it will ruin your restaurant business if you if those license and those licenses and unavailable it gets a different it's a different use it's a different tube i mean if your idea went on each side we don't have a specific location i am speaking more to the business use that we want to encourage and again the actual user would have to come before the board there are other there are other package store licenses up and down rule one would you know with with trader joe's i think that was vetted pretty thoroughly by this board i think that would happen again in the future but we're not going to get any interest from any users if there are no licenses available and that's that's sort of but also when you've got the trader joe's license there was there was a i won't say deal but there was an accommodation made so that you wouldn't sell alcohol on a certain date so and i would imagine those questions would come up in the future for a user on one so we're not asking you to approve carte blanche or use today that we can go out make a deal and you know without your knowledge to sign a lease and bring someone in and just say they can open they have to come before the board to be granted and i mean i mean i'm familiar with the special legislation for liquor licenses they did and they did it up in place and they did it far  restaurant you know so when you're asking the town of thoughts for go to the legislature with the special legislation i'm at will hesitant just i can understand restaurants i understand that legislation i think before we get to that point if we're successful in furthering the discussion i could hopefully get some more specific examples of the kinds of users that we would like to encourage to come to route one it's not just the liquor store so let me do some work on that again i'm not at liberty to name names here but i think if i could show you other examples that it would help you decide whether it's worthwhile to try to encourage that for the town halls is the proposed second hotel going to be on the page or place side that's contemplated today yes they believe it or not folks are on site today looking at options for is that off the table or is that still under consideration i did i don't know if that's still a possibility there is an entertainment concept i wouldn't characterize it strictly as doing piano but it's entertainment based because when you use a car wash you have to have a pretty good amount of available that where we have not studied it to the point of being able to tell you know there's no problem with availability but as with any of our projects our consultants would come in evaluate the the usage that we currently you know operate with and make sure there is available capacity before we would be able to put forth that you know an approval plant right now i believe there sufficient capacity based on the studies we've done especially for the project across the street you know the other me poster difficult for the office campus showed there was sufficient capacity for a man and a half square feet of office plus some big box so i'm inclined to think there's plenty of capacity but we would need to study that more thoroughly to be sure i mean i would just generally say we're always looking for renewable energy opportunities you see what we've been doing with the solar projects a patriot place so there are other renewable opportunities whether it's co gen or some other things that have come up that we'd like to put on the table as part of the dancing  committee and we could have discussions you know we we've been working on this as i mentioned for a few years now so we have a pretty good term sheet that outlines most of the things we talked about we respect the process and want to follow the process through the you know planning board meetings sick etc but i think it would be you know both of our interests to get a committee together and start negotiating this now we have some december deadlines that are looming and then eventually it all goes down to town meeting so it's all going to be to go to the people at the end i've had a lot of calls from constituents on both sides and  stated that you know increasing revenue for the town is the biggest reason that she would let it out she said that we should talk to that number one business in the town and it was very important for us to do that so she spoke very well and i think that i would ask the board to consider that we do putting nothing we're not saying we're going to agree to this plus another but we need to move forward does i think it's to the best interest of the community and the taxpayer to get more revenue obviously if you get a hotel you can have a great deal of real estate taxation you have a great deal meals tax whatever other new tax we can take up in the next couple of months and smothering but i also will tell you another concern citizens message to me was that if this were to become a casino related situation where the towel was going up to support another community within a certain area that it would be very upsetting to the whole community once again so i think these are all things we need to talk about if we do board does approve to have this committee negotiating committee because that seems to be the sentiment out there we all know playing bills gearing up everybody will think so there's a there's a line here that people are saying well yes it's great but no we already went down this road so i'm hoping that the intent of this is to to further pages place and not try and piggyback something down the road that could be detrimental to the community without being represented probably so that's about all i have to say i'm going to ask the difficult question about the billboards how will that issue be settled the outstanding issue of the billboard situation would that be settled during these discussions or is that the billboards and also discuss the reuse to you can discuss publicly the concept the thought that they would be interested in discussing a potential sale of the billboards as well as the sale of the reuse story to the craft organization not to say that we would also talk about the terms regarding the billboard if it's not so but i would anticipate that should your should your board decide to go forward and authorize the commencement of negotiations that that we would discuss  among all the other issues billboards we used to play it water board has issues that it needs to have discussed and the billboards would be among them i think all of that should be discussed at the sa you know i look back at two thousand and seven when the original patriots place town vote went and the often the romas the seven and a half million dollars and what i'm concerned about is we go in a circle here we negotiate in good faith the selectmen at the end of the day don't have the vote on the liquor licenses the town meeting does so we can spin a committee in a process and they mouth you know beneficial to both get a town meeting in the question that's going to be raised is where is the seven and a half million over the ten million of the five million now when the town voted the project down the treatment plan there's money left on the table is it owed to the town is it over the social contract was the piece of the contract that was not a provision not to protect the town is the money that's coming into the billboards supposed to be going to the treatment plant but the treatment plants not done so who want it where the billboards whose land is it on we don't answer that question it's going to i have a feeling it's going to come up at the eleventh hour to bite us when this got voted down in two thousand and seven i'm just it just amazes me that two thousand and eight two thousand and nine two thousand and ten two thousand and eleven and we're still arguing about in two thousand and twelve every year every executive session every time the billboard comes up it went into you know executive session that we were going to do an eminent domain people are surprised that it's on private property not on public it's such a mess and everybody's hands are in it what would it take to figure out the answer who is the money owed or isn't it and then put it to paper from an attorney that the town pays for and then we live with it we know what the town knows what we're getting what we have going into go negotiations rather than negotiating not knowing what we have in the vice versa you guys are in the same position as that question and you don't have the longevity because you weren't here you were here at the beginning but then you left some board members were here or not here has that question ever been asked to our attorney with the charge take a couple weeks put it on your letterhead an answer the question i think would be better i think would all be better off getting into negotiations with that behind us so are you saying that has it been established that the signs are not owned by the town is that what you're saying partially have one opinion about some of these issues and i would have a different opinion and we could certainly go through the trouble of what you're suggesting what i was hoping we would do though is is just put that issue to the negotiation committee and hopefully we can resolve it as friends you know what that we understand your position we respect your position hopefully you understand and respect ours i think if you nominate a negotiating committee we may be able to work through the issue and not have to resort to getting waters from from lawyers and it's worth a try and if that negotiating committee ultimately does not get that issue resolved you can always go back to the lawyers and i understand and i respect that if if we had a position that we were putting forward to he this say something after he knows longer here in the paper is not an attorney has been asked on letterhead it says it had to find out my question is has the town looked at this spent the effort and came up with a definitive answer granted it might not be the same answer you come up with but how do we go into negotiations or move forward without the without this issue coming up at the end of his not addressed at the beginning to say something first before correct me if i'm wrong kevin but it's my understanding that the craft organization has been presented with the documentation necessary to get here to the section of the m o u that requires that the release of all interest and rights to the signs and revenues since may fourteenth two thousand and twelve and that information that has not been  returned back to the water and sewer commissioner signed so it would be my understanding that that research had been done by prior town council to come up with the determination and that was the appropriate step for the water and sewer commissioners to be opinion that the town does all the billboards and i would enter into negotiations with that position council will disagree but respectfully i think the hat's one of the things we need to talk about i would go into those negotiations with my own opinion that we do on the billboards and how that you know all people are really asking to do is to start a process to be that far it could actually turn out to be something that meets our needs and there is but you don't know until you start this is where you've also it is as far from the to represent healthy people in the best interest we can i think i'd like to see this happen i think i would like to have myself number the boys blackm and if anybody else can think of someone else who would want to be on this committee to move forward and get this ball rolling i would also like to add that i'm not going to go through what i do with papers place or what i want anybody else for me words in every other night situation it's this it's that it's away from the family well good convictions here i think if you going to have meetings need to be here to telling all i think they need to be between five and seven on the life of a tuesday because we're all geared to come here it's a night where weapons on these committees are already from the borders already you know the nights planned so it's not i mean convenience to our families we've been talking about this far before you came on board and hopefully we'll always have negotiations and while i always am open communications with our number one taxpayer and be able to help them help us same thing i think that the discussion on openness that has happened over the past couple months with our meanings and the public been involved with them i think it's helped everything but i absolutely agree that it is now the time that we go into negotiations with you know periodic updates from if it's going to be mark to this board and and that's that going back you up again and i'm going to say i want to see anymore in the paper about things you know it's funny because just before i was coming it's night i like to t v ok i'm going to say run d v r and then i put it onto a c so i was watching the january tenth meeting and we were having that same exact discussion about what you know we need newspapers because they they will get people that can watch it right now they read what frank is giving them where they go back to the minutes but to go and use the media to get your point across again everything ones at this table whether it's negotiating that's done at this table or it's an open session it belongs here and eventually yes to come out to all of us and all of us need to be informed if there are meetings that are going on even within the town hall i'm not even talking about meetings that may happen privately with another entity within town but meetings that happen a town hall that information has come back this able to because you are on a you know there's so many things that happen that i feel like i'm reading between the lines sometimes that some people understand and i just think you have to take care of first things first and i just i just think we had we have passed business that hasn't been settled and as that's going to have negotiations that's going to be something that i should i think for the town should be negotiated very very strongly and i really i really feel that before we go into the future we have to take care of the past  this together it's going to be something that's going to be because i was part of that and to me it's it's kind of disturbing because actually i don't get into that because you get separated us but it's not going to happen  the committee will have trying to go she ations and report back to the board executive session the process because it will be on the same night the meetings i hope i'm not saying then we have a regular meeting and then i think that's going to handle this right now we have a representation of water and sewer idea he's got his paul hand on the pulse every day kevin is part of those meetings also i'm just wondering is this somebody else that you want to be part of this are they going to be zoning changes is going to would be so i think planning board or anything to somebody from the claims board would be a very good idea that's exactly that's a very good idea to me i think so we can make the motion to somebody nature of the committee markers to keep it as small as possible of the record and three is as large as we need we will report as we report back to this board we clearly may be times mark when we may need to have someone from our water and so there as we go forward and we would certainly invite them to come in and we need  few other meetings and i'm in the car at the if you go back a little bit you know you want here but this list the m o you are what you presented has been kicking around for almost two years now we've vetted it almost to the point of signature at around you know some of the new stuff and jenny i branching of having to liquor stores down there doesn't make sense to me but it's on the list that stuff is going to be the good the bad the ugly that you've got to juggle throw in some of it will follow and i would think when you did represent just a town meeting it would be in five or six different articles wouldn't be a group saw one maybe six local licenses for restaurants one might be to pakistan like you know i think that you're not going to have a lot of a big debate i think that everybody's going to do what's right for the town and i'm able to the craft group has a list do we have a list before we sit sit down with a craft organization we have a list from the our board that last week a water board but that's how the process works before we sit down with and we know you have parameters for me our as to what you want considered what you're willing to accept just if i can just pick an example you may save the five you say forget i don't know that this will happen just to get there but plan to put in that you can all come together this book at once and we're going they say yes now we we negotiate it we come back we say look here's what we think we can accomplish and you tell us that's how that works but so i can give you my input planning board member well no i asked g brought up i thought it might be a good idea but then i'm hearing that these two gentlemen don't think it is they'll have to be briefed on the whole situation themselves anyways and joint executive session i don't think i can be on that committee because it's too time committed to it's just too much in from one chair to be on two commands like that do you mean you have it in you to this is going to be a regular rigorous schedule guys good luck thank you for coming in i think you know i meant that i hope this is a positive experience moving forward and you guys get some good stuff we benefit and wonderful  yes like when meeting minutes from august twenty first you comments yes i didn't have anything and i love that we accept them minutes from august twenty first second when i do have one correction