focus in the beginning on the circuit court's understanding of the procedures pertaining to petitions and findings in juvenile court at a pretrial hearing on february fifth twenty seventeen the court articulated its understanding of the consolidated understanding of the law which i don't think we have here at that position here today is that the correct misconceived the juvenile court act and due process of law and in the absence of an amendment it is not printed compressible to first of it had it been done in a timely manner giving everyone notice and an opportunity to prepare a defense and to comply with the act theoretically they could have moved to amend but even when given the opportunity to do south for example at the case management conference they didn't there was an empty box for lack of care no one not even in the motion like in the  disagree that's my understanding ok so you know as the credits of where section two thirteen subsection to requires the petition to give citations to the petitions being read it's and to set forth the facts in the petition if you run it have should be done under subsection five with the fourteen days this is to satisfy due process certainly the appellate court and should be in the second district takes the same came in the context of deciding whether a child should be removed from its family and temporary custody and that case the parent prevailed because the court did not ferret out enough information and d c at best reasonable efforts to keep the child home facts about the drug exposed infant also in that case are the same under both provisions and actually alleged in the petition it was just a clerical error cite a statutory ground citation was admitted so there is much less potential if if you have a response to that was a britain's for the parent this was a very a man proceeding and required i would say the trial could bend over backwards to give parties a chance to move to introduce exhibits to add witnesses yeah clearly the trial court didn't buy that it was an accident he found the mother's credibility questionable he says he specifically said i find the mother's credibility questionable she claims it was an accident where is david said and remember this obviously happened in the bedroom where the children were asleep the father comes home late at night that's where the whole family's they all cept in one room that they did on maria one tack the school friend ron moore by the way detective running back said the parents were absolutely not crop or tip in helping him do that investigation they were to provide any information about this one person  certainly that was a large part of the state's state's idea mentor and i believe our office also on behalf of the children the idea that because at that point there was an up to the parents to decide the rosen sat cry be found credible the parent she had just been found to have been sexually abused by this family friend and the very next month when she makes the quote about the father the parents decide  finding it was certainly not just the sexual no restoration of me out it was this other set of circumstances there were a great great number of circumstances starting with the