community plan advisory committee to order and this is our last meeting and we have quite a bit of material that we need to move through so we should be as expeditious as we can let me just once again  broadcasting this out to the public but we have a genda here that yesterday we got through chapters one through four so i'd like to just pick it up it chapter five and and move through and as quickly as we can so we can get through all of the material so if you want to go ahead and start on page five dash one economic development section i'll take any recommended changes that you and i have in that indicated that a new policy was supposed to be added to this chapter on page five dash four and i did not see that but i actually also h minutes chair say that new policy support community initiatives to remove mangrove from fish ponds and near shore areas and convert this invasive species into farm inputs and hardwork consumer products removing under the summary of minutes it was a it was a policy so even less there's another recommendation to move it to a national policy five point zero six lightly addresses if it doesn't have them as a partner i think we need to that i thought it was in there someplace i know you mentioned it somewhere along the way i mean if you want to mention you know in the discussion on policy where that would state support and recognize that the whole pop of color law county serves as a valuable resource to more cry especially tops issues that pertain to governance with our county coming under city and county of the proper and then we have the issues with with matters concerning the future with national park service department of health our natural resources is important for cultural considerations it's important for our economic considerations and that all also fits into that compatible tourism initiative as well y what's going to happen once he leaves and it's and it's very clear that he will leave and so the community has and maybe the policy should address th if there is a potential for it to be an economic resource sense to have another issue to add which would be issue number four and that's more the case high cost of electricity a new day forty six cents a kilowatt and where there's a moratori on rooftop solar and so it doesn't look like there's any solution at least in the near future unless we get the solar farms on line that somehow lower the cost so that's what i'm proposing does anybody have a have a problem with putting that for the issue in there see any  paragraph talks about real meaning the tell model a large as the golf course and other amenities i think we should be a little bit more specific about the golf course because there's a golf course in the community planned for model lower and there is an old golf course up in model lower and so i think we're talking about the clue golf course so we should say maybe the hotel and golf course talking same page under policies second policy we added and in turn chip i think we should have an as on the end of that and in turn chips think that the market fish can actually produce fish i think you could actually use crops in there which hasn't been done to date but i would still like to see us moving in that prior chapters we'll have one outstanding issue from last night from chapter one do we want to address it now or come back to it later and say why don't we keep moving through the chapters and then we'll get through ok and then we'll go back and future demand for housing units for visitor units and for commercial industrial space three year twenty thirty five we have included that through our actions we had talked about that it might planning department recommendations much of it is we had a lot of discussion at our last meeting about this section which was a handout when we took a two and it kind of based on  see is been a are a critical factor in our discussions about land used as ignitions in general because it has to do with the language designation types they say single family multifamily and the locations of those  inventories exist because you also have discussions that where there they may be located or not but we haven't seen that hard factual data so we did have that at the land use workshop on june fourth we had that at table with we use that for our deliberation our discussion our decision for your decision making but it wasn't included in the chapter we thought it was more numbers more technical and it's also a technical resource  our land use workshop and we had our workshop math there were little tables on each region that told you what the they can invent or a supply away so we can have a by region and your body has move in fifteen the sentence fourteen starts the sequence for developing business commercial will occur as needed to serve the community i want to know how and if we can cite cold or how that process  decide way to moving the office i think we should tell them that it's ok to relocate into this area i don't think that has any bearing significance in this paragraph so i'm proposing that the community of me as far as pain will occur as needed to serve the community that was trying to indicate that this growth area is for the community there is a need for additional residential neighborhood serving it can be added in a way that makes you more comfortable  right i guess for me you know after we did then we had the majority of the people in the room opposed to this mix use i really want something in here to stink that that there was a lot of opposition  own because i was trying to wrap my head around stuff i really don't have time to do that if i think everybody got one b but all it is is a really simple spreadsheet and this is straight o and straight out of the community plan and that two thousand and one community plan what it is is it's a spread sheet you see on the first p in the in our plan right now we have mixed use residential in the old plan we didn't have any in called the cold there is nothing for this term and if you change in the next page behind look for project district in red which is what we changed project district to mixed use and if you look project district it's in our current plan it was in the two thousand and one plan but if you look under code it comes under chapter nineteen point five the project district development plan development so i know if i go there then it's going to tell me what i can and cannot do in the project this year that's what if we i mean it's there it's in called i can't turn to it and i cannot turn to it now and excuse but what i'm doing now in charge on page six six is i'm defining that  restaurants doctor's offices hard with stories sequence for developing business commercial or as needed and then again public by public as needed to see the majority of the c p m post to this mix use which was true what they voted for no we didn't have it we didn't have the quorum ok but the majority of those present of the quiet plan which came out in july of this year and it has four different types of mix in it and went into their code and they have not developed the code for because that's how it's it's usually the community plan these generalized areas of a higher level give a and overview of what it's to happen and then the only news written same with project districts minelli were about a half a page each after the plan then they go in and then the zoning in the zone is entered as a separate section under title nineteen it wasn't written  when the ninety eight plan came out for those project districts just as the same as for the current one i plan there isn't a written there isn't any zoning at this time for the mixed use that's in there because it comes first and then the sony gets done sure well it doesn't take away the input from the community in that kind of sequence  on a community plan level you say well we want to have this residential and commercial on the street and you know specifically and and we asked like whatever you can add to this description that gives a guidance of what you want to have in there and then when the zoning is developed that all goes through public review and public comment and when a site plan comes up for that site you'll go through your planning commission so there's a different process as it gets more detailed there's opportunities for public input all the way through so the way that i look at this mixed use residential allows for some commercial whereas the project is not commercial so the question is is there are we allowing too much commercial or what would be the threat for allowing some additional commercial to happen in model or that's not correct you're the project district so what's important to talk about this is we're talking about like process for how a landowner that is serious goes about entering into the negotiation with the government and the community to propose what they want to do with that that land so that we have compatible quote compatible communities are smart growth right so that mechanism exists and it's heavily based upon as you see the definitions that exist in title nineteen so also my concern is that if you know those of us are making this decision i i can only assume that we've all done our homework and we've looked at i don't maintain we all have done our homework and we look at them are we community plans that have project district because who can tell me who can answer the question of the day where it is currently mixed use under our current code of the keystones whether it be a community plan or title nine thousand where it is mixed use currently exist which one of our members can answer that question for me i'll tell you where it existed league system project district and it also exists in percentages of when you says it the public the community determines if they want in the form of acres so if we want to say a project district in a lower project district then our community through to the community design and all of the hard work that we've done as a seat back with our community to come up with all this environmental assessment type information hopefully getting the answers the question all those pieces of information play a role in how we design our community and what we want to see in that area could be matters such as strategic retreat out of flood prone areas it could be a need for a multifamily housing her  report that identifies we need more of it it could be whatever the community decides and i see that clearly with the with of heavy community input mechanism under project district what i see with mixed use coming up new is that it's all based on what the landowner wants to do on the land owner comes and makes a proposal and typically from what they in feedback i've received it's whatever's in the best interest of the landowner now yes there's probably triggers where there's a public process where a committee would weigh in but if we start getting multiple consistencies consistency of zoning consistency of community plan there's less triggers that don't have inconsistency with where say the plane department ok let's all talk about it we make this more community which ironically i don't know what if the question couldn't get upset about the current development model law there was that was a project district before was of the area that's already completed because it was an existing community but it that process and honestly we all look at mauna loa regardless of his current status it's a pretty smart planned area so it's the same princip here highlighted in yellow under the project district chapter nineteen point five eight is just the introduction the project just it's not the effect to any locale it project just in the whole county so that that's just an overview of what a project is right is trying so phase so phase one for project district is for the developer to come in with a proposal for the project district or and then it goes through a process and gets approved by council phase two is eliminate flight plan there's a public hearing requirement for that goes through view approved by council phase three is the final flight plan approval which the director of the project district or that's the process for a project district in a nutshell although the details are different kind of overall project district and changing zoning process there are a lot of similarities as far as governmental agency review and community employed as a explain model would need to go through a state land  district boundary and that has its add it would need to be urban that would it's larger than fifteen acres they would go to the state land use commission for review there's triggers for it there's a public hearing triggers for can and i am not positive that they would have to have it i'm ok but i believe yes they would have to have it all so that would be the land use commission next step would be the county process change in zone and for a change in zoning i mean that is it is a detailed process in title nineteen a part of which is having a project master plan the developer has to come up with a project master plan which fell of the hours and development plan which spells out the landscape in the view it is quite a process through your planning commissions those meetings will be here through your plan and commission they will provide a recommendation to council and that of course the public process community and p it's going to trigger all of this that they did in order to use their mixed use designation they would have to go in to the land use commission and only because it's greater than fifteen acres the land use commission yes if it were less than fifteen acres it would through a district boundary and then the process with curing requirements with community input but it would be handled at the county level so it would be a route into the change and so any process and your planning commission what if they only wanted to do a percentage at a time they look at that and they determine is this a smaller portion of a larger they scrutinize that now make a determination of no we will not process and this is a county level we want to look at you know this sparsely that's what you do that but you know it's does that mean fourteen point nine nine nine nine because we didn't have the neither side i mean i'm not against a door for it i'm just trying to say we did this and we tried to do that make it one lot if we  we do have that in here as proposed language for the committee to get better and i just also want to clarify that the votes that have been taken your body needs to have seven people from or you are allowed to changing it can you give me a point of clarification or something from what i understand the project district also that that it's when it's planned out and it goes through the ordinance process so that if we can compare this to someplace like like maui lonnie's project district  luis community plan that project phased in to the community with with all of its infrastructure requirements and the other impacts that it created that were mitigated over time to allow the project to move forward what would be the difference with mixed use as john just indicated one lat one one initial go by the land owner isn't it more of a all now type of  community plans under same project district a mix you say it clearly identifies the acreage but that happened during ordinance so can you kind of help clarify that about the differences between the way these projects phase and or community it's going to be feed and then but it was identified as our community is going to grow where do we want to grow and how do we want it and they identified the area that they felt was appropriate and they described the nix community really can support the doctors the grocery stores the schools that you need it is somewhere in the five to seven thousand range where community starts to become where if you open a restaurant you're going to have some people come   somebody who never even live in hawaii they came from california came in and was allowed to rent that speech not a question of what is fair in this is you don't own the land and you get to choose who comes into your development the developer even if i was to build trump tower tomorrow it sets the precedence for what type if you can come in and buy one condo at seven hundred thousand dollars then guess what you get to move the don't you don't so that's that's how that come occurs and any major land owner would have that control ok with all that said you know this is just a small part of the whole plan that we need to complete tonight so rise and it says that i'm ok community acknowledges that sea level rise will likely necessitate over time transitioning the island's commercial and population center conacher cars to an area away from the threat of sea level rise and other coastal hazards however the new location has not yet been determined so we haven't really taken any action on that and the reason that we didn't take any action is at least from my perspective perspective we need to get some a little bit more information on the pros and cons of the options so i propose in a new action i know that would say study viable options for transition in commercial and population center away from the threat of sea level rise and coastal inundation so it would just be the agree even to say that the new location hasn't been determined because we all felt we hadn't made a decision or felt we hadn't got enough information to make a decision so i agree with you that it should be a good there clarification point we talked about comprehensive zoning because the comp again in and out and community designed later on if we get that magic one way where the county takes action to have consistency with someone with their community plan doesn't remove a lot of the triggers that you talked about previously of that would trigger that certain levels of community input for things like mixed  mixed use which none of us had a problem with so now that becomes consistent from the plans purpose now exist under title nineteen dollars comprehensive rezoning subsequently and now that no longer becomes an issue so it just gets we i know discouraged doesn't mean not allowed but you know it also you know could put a damper on any type of movement so i just i bring it up this thing planning regions can we name them after we say that what what are the because it says the island has three distinct planning regions and it talks about the sub area descriptions and i'm thinking this is where the essential policy statement come in on the area description if it comes in anywhere because we keep on bringing it up and we keep on getting layers that you have to go through man you don't have to worry over there you can go to the mount commission and said you've got all these different things that will stop you from a problem but this community is very very happy and very concerned about those two things and we keep going around in circles with it and this table here please resolve this according to what this this community is interested in and i don't understand why now is that the community was going to work on a revision to it does it does there are some areas that need to can i please finish can i just got through saying because you're saying exactly what see steve said i just got to say i mean we have all of this on camera as well that there was a vote for this i know because that's i don't know about all this other stuff but the east policy statement is very dear to my heart and i'm not even i live in a hole in who a of you know innocuous over there let them have it it's on camera and then it never showed up so i'm not going to go chasing around yet if it's gone but i need to find out what that came up with a very development plan we thought it was such a great idea that really should be done everywhere and we we embrace you to be able to come forward with that document because when we read it it's got a lot of things that it's and i been attending the meetings unfortunately i wasn't here from the very beginning mix use is hard for me to swallow and the reason it's hard for me is because development is happening commies high population is great when the people of moloch say i'm concerned and when the seatback members are being told constantly we're concerned now what's happening is what i feel is there are excuses to cover to validate justify actions that do not consider the voice of the people and my concern is that mi use leaves too many cars hopes holes where those of us who have a lot of money can utilize that to our advantage without the concern of the people that live here we do want development preferably i want it  today is i do not support makes use why can't i kill it today so as the community the first word of this group is community you truly representing me because i am the community and i care about all of you i've got even family sitting in here please please hear the voice of our people and we're not trying to be rude inconsiderate i mean i love my ok that's why i stay six discussion on that chair i would just like to say that nobody as far as i've ever heard in any meeting of this committee has ever said we want to ma industrial use or anything like that simple in fact the only discussion we have to have was would you like to have shops and perhaps a dentist or a doctor in these areas that's the only not call for the vote and the motion was to change the mixed use land use designation back to the original two thousand and one community plan designation which was project district of mine alone so all those in favor of change it back and according to the motion to raise their right  ok so the motion fails so it will remain as it is in the community plan and let me just say that this is not the end of the road this is you know there's a lot more meetings are going to be held on this and you have more opportunities to   very adamant about the fact that it was going to cloud the affordable housing issue on the on the on the project district but i think it actually makes it a little bit easier to have affordable housing in there especially since it can be dictated what the percentages are of what's going to happen in that area so that's the reason for my my bill chair just to clarify because we can we make it short  triggered whether it's mixed use or project districts so that has caused by roni as to to that this particular issue sorry kip and then share with regards to chapter six and the carefully identifies out my request is a navy plane department can advise can we at least make mention on the record of how we do this to get the correct based district boundaries for this map in the descriptions for each location i know we have it for you stan but we do know do not have it at this time for central or west ok specifically you want them to what mark that on the map or on the it would started to read that different century the three said joe there's no indication that the me area as well that's why i think it's confusing if you just go to of the sub area i would be mechanism from what we heard the concern from the community n r c pack of how we get the eastern policy statement into this document what is the what is the mechanism that happens so from what was stated that an updated plan an eastern policy statement can be added to this community plan what it was a vehicle or mechanism how that gets done after tonight is the first stages of a three step process that deepak and the planning commission and the council so planning commission has basically six months to review and recommend for the plan and that's just like this it's a fully open public process so similar sort of thing provide testimony and green recommendations and as many members noted we believe that the focus was to update these them policy statement and then include it as an appendix so i so bring it to the planning commission meeting y just so that it is there as a bill because we've heard from the fugitive that they wanted in there and it may or may not get updated in time to be here what i think should be updated when i read through it there's clearly some things that are out of date and so i think that we should have a devoted to have an updated and included in the plan is all things that have to be updated if there's a few items in there that need to be updated i think that should happen updated version of course so there's a miscommunication so let's try to figure out how to move forward and let me answer carl's question so on november twelfth there's going to be the public hearing for the planning commission and they start this process they have six months ok and then in addition to that there's going to be time to the turn that into a draft for the council the council that has an additional year  you is looking at six months plus a year or eighteen months and in that time frame absolutely can come out and say we haven't updated the statement we have a language in here again to make it even clearer to say yes we want t know and i don't see how it's so hard and while updating is you know has to be worded so you know importantly because we have many many many many things that you know need to be updated and they're included without that you know particular need to to put in there but we want this is gone how many times and i wish we resolved it absolutely i thought we did with the four for approving  it but you know yes we like it and we like it at this level possible and i have to say though where we go to the next that was always scary to jump to the next one because i don't know if they're going to be friendly just referencing it in the plan the worst not here so with that said i'd like to make a motion like to make a motion to create an appendix six point three that says eastern policy statement in somewhere in that point page it says up to version and so that page exists and when we we also as part of that motion we reference out on page sixty six for you stand some area description on line thirty three because what is the essent policy statement to me is a star area description ok but it seven lines thirty three but reading before that sub area descriptions me included general all cite narratives and preliminary design concepts to help the community visualize potential changes but here's the big but i would not include policies and actions while the current eastern policy statement clearly has policy and action ok so that and it goes on to say intended for future use community plan these two she policy and actions so the subareas description is to shape policies in actions that this would put forward which we not  do in the next ten years of care so to make everybody happy we're going include this he said policy statement updated as an append the sees what legal standing does the document have is it as an  have if it's put in as an appendix and according to my cocker he says that it's part of the plan and it's an act like every other part of the plan that you're smiling if you know you can ask what i said this is important it's very i'm more into the community we need to go back with an of plans would be made and then when we have our community plans we would take a look at those and then pick whichever policies and actions that thought were important to me in making policies and actions so chair and to actually question john so we had a meeting in the suburb plan issue came up planning department clarified there were some very descriptions as a definition you see in the last two sentences and the specific changes that we were using the idea that they would have policies and actions versus influencing the plan i think i concur with since we're in discussion i i don't like the fact that sub area plans don't have as much teeth but we're told that that's that's what they're going to be so if that's all we can have then  then if we haven't used them policy statement that's a sub area description and that's all we're being told we're able to have in the plan for that for this district then at least we have that make a motion to create in appendix six point three titled eastend policy statement with parentheses updated version and it's going to be a blank page and that that appendix six point three also be referenced on page sixty six under some very descriptions for that district it was emotions area and the west areas should they want to come in and put in some area plans so we shouldn't we should at six point three six point four six point five and each of them should have a blank page stating that should that community want to install or put forth a software community plan it all gets inserted so i can amend the motion to include to include a six point four to six point five to reflect those other districts thank you awesome question was off them thank you for that question the reason is we've already had the west and owners homeowners association come in with their own requests much like major landowners have come in with their requests i remember the west and the homeowners coming in with their requests they had multiple requests one was to convey the world that the co takeover the convenience of the road and the repairs to that road also to install things like emergency services and they they want to be subjected and when off air ness to have the services afforded them that the rest of this community does and so if you have the west and homeowners come in and drop their own community plan or the is that where this community wants to go it's going to be put in this plan and it's fair but i just want everybody to have that on the radar that each community will have subareas can come in now legal question right there because i would be the first one to file suit if without a community plan amendment that stuff be done and added into our community plan the only way you can do that is by a community plan amendment which triggers procedural action that's my discussion any further discussion ok so we have a motion on the floor it's been amended it's been seconded we've had discussion gone second ok all those in favor of the motion raise your right hand we'll try to go for at least another half hour forty five minutes and then we'll take a break so members do you have anything on six point two housing section pam like on line thirty eight that sentence i think that's like a double negative sentence if we just turn that into a yeah by this standard less than half of  homeowners they pay an affordable rents or monthly ownership it is very awkward we should return the double negative get rid of the double negative and just say by this standard more than half of molokai renters