all the commissioners here so i want to formally say hi to all of them if i haven't already miss lopez i guess the first thing i want to do is say thank you for everyone's patience and thank everyone for being here we had some problems in the past where we couldn't everybody couldn't get together for one way or the other so i just want to say thank you for your patience on the net and  can have right now for those people that can't be here for the specific item in which they want to discuss or talk about ok sir thank you for your comments we appreciate it and  any of them any of them if you if you cannot be here and you'd like to make public testimony now before we get to that stage please go up to the microphone and state your name and what you want to discuss thank you hello my name is dr firm duvall and i'm with the division of the division of forestry and wild like department of land natural resources and i'm over here today to speak in favor of the fencing proposal out there as i understand it will not block access or keep people traffic from any of the areas important to them but the fence itself probably will be very important for the future of the type of habitat that's helped there the birds that are out there they do have primacy on the land they are the organisms that were far far before any humans ever approached here and it's really going to be an effort to fence out animals that compete with the birds and with you know bringing nutrients into the land from the ocean we were we were here on island last night to work with some of the the colony of birds that are out there when the removal started in some of the areas there within a couple even in showing the initial ways to the islands people followed as far as we know people followed stars by night birds by day and knew that they were going to land for nesting so this is an attempt for that fans to support them and to support the expansion of numbers as i said in one thousand nine hundred ninety think they removed the first trees a couple years later there as i was notified of a couple pairs of birds and we've been coming back to the island and banding chicks there and watching the colony grow from very few to too many but this fence will give opportunity to save not only the career native vegetation that's there that there's very little representatives of that type of community and state but also to support just the birds that are currently there the wedge tail shearwater or colony and possibly also the albatross and others will  we've tried to sort of fencing in other places and a point natural area was served on the island of hawaii and we've seen dramatic recovery of the of the habitat and and return of birds and still allowing people traffic into very sensitive areas for both fishing access and and other access that's been traditional in the area so i would imagine that happening here too thank you very document the growth of this colony from two pairs in one thousand nine hundred nine to the current population of over twelve hundred nesting pairs this is a dramatic example of the recovery of a species when management activities return habitat to its native condition the t n c staff and contractors have removed invasive plants return native species to their coastal strand habitat they've controlled feral cats in the area and created conditions where our native what we have been able to thrive unfortunately feral cats and escape dogs have periodic we killed many of the defenseless sea birds access deer trampled burrows and browse a coastal strand vegetation retarding it's a successful establishment the fence which teensy proposes to construct in their preserve will provide a much more secure home for the nesting seabirds with deer dogs and cats a limited from the area and unable to reenter the potential for additional sea bird species to colonize the preserve is great morally and visited momi in the past and are more and have been documented other spots along the north shore these birds are more likely to choose to nest among that what will conny if there's a safe haven at moment is the name of the all the booby family in hawaii now known as the brown will be in english nests on the cliffs and it's conceivable that some of these birds could also join a safe colony of momi these are just a few of the sea bird species which could potentially benefit from the construction of the fence which teensy proposes i clearly the case that our sea level is rising more rapidly than any time in history many low lying areas in pop one hundred currently support large sea bird colonies in these islands tend to become much smaller with rising sea level i believe it is our responsibility to establish areas where our sea birds may continue to breed and contribute to our natural environment sea birds were the original animals to populate our islands long before any humans arrived the organic ways where the where the marine nutrients brought to land to combine with the lava soils to produce the rich soils which support the growth of our unique native plant community when polynesians arrived to become the hawaiian they found populations of sea birds from the beaches to the mountaintops sea birds so numerous they provided a secure food source as well as leading fishing canoes to aggregations of predator fish sources such as aki and rising up to feed on big fishes fishing people today still benefit from this sea bird service please help our native seabirds and the coastal strand habitat of the north shore of motorcade by approving the t n c request for  good miner permit to construct their fence and as friend of all the noted over there we were out last night bending these birds we put on one hundred fifty two new bands in two hours with forty five of those birds being birds that we banded before that we recaptured and eighteen of them were actually pairs of birds that were in the world together and we got them out and we keep on looking at this to see how stable is this population and we would find many more recapture bands if we had the fence up there because then the cats would not come in and bang them all the time thank you yes or yes or you will ok thank you again both of both of you that made the comment ok we'll move on to the next now that we've got that out of the way let's go to the approval of the minutes of the january fourteenth two thousand and fifteen be the door here or a motion start discussing this so that they don't have to sit through a long conversation over the resolution and put this to the back of the legend located on one hundred twenty one point three three nine acres a portion of them on the north coast and east end of the island in the state agriculture and conservation land use district it is under the community thousand and one more community plan the property is identified as the agriculture and conservation which is consistent with the land use of the community plan the proposed action is in keeping with the following community plan objectives and policy number one protect and encourage the restoration of native habitat through government and private conservation land management and educational programmes objective policy number for manage cultural resources cultural practices and historic sites that provide a sense of history and define a sense of place for the island of an object policies number to promote the rehabilitation a significant cultural resources and number four recognise areas of historic vegetation and significant native vegetation zones as culture resources and time over to edwin misaki and he'll have a more descriptive po int presentation to show you thank you four started i have two written testimony that they wanted me to hand in to i just give it to you  thank you for having me here i just wanted to emphasize the date that simple said assume the process began in june of twenty thirty so it's been almost two years but what i've been going through the compliance process has been very educational and i must say i was glad i went first for the estimate because it kicked in all the other complaints that i had to do so i looked up the system a web site and one of the reasons for the estimate is to put special controls on development within areas along the shoreline to to avoid permanent loss of valuable resources and the foreclosure of management options and those words really rang out to me because you know what we're trying to do at more money with this fence is to absolutely it is the the highest level of natural resource protection that we're trying to do and fencing is one of the most common management tools that we used to protect these areas so again we're asking the planning protected by federal law now it's not just these individual plants but it's this community of plants that we're protecting so it's not just the individual plants it's the plants ho and the model we knew we see bird recovery and jay penniman in banding serving and documentation documenting this colonization it is really telling a story this was in two thousand and is every two years two thousand and five the dots all represent new new nesting colony two thousand and seven two thousand and twelve and now two thousand and fourteen we have over a thousand nests now since our last survey so it was started from two and now it's over a thousand and we know historically the birds used to nest all over hawaii this is one of the few places where the colonization is increasing exponentially and the one thing to remember about colonization we learn in in any history in any science class about about you know natural the natural  of what you call fertilization or fertilizing the fertilizer cycle how the rivers take nutrients into the ocean well the birds actually bring nutrients back to the land from the ocean so it completes a cycle so that's how important the colonization is from a biological standpoint we do a lot of magic meant more momi and it also helps with the colonization this is a this is a picture of clump is a non native plant toy and you can see they're starting to remove it here in this picture they removed half of it this picture it's totally removed and the last picture is from two thousand and seven where we consider it completely restored and we call this passive restoration and this is the most economic way to do restoration where we're not actually planting plants which cost a lot of money to do we're actually just removing the threat and because the because the coast of the coast of education is so well intact it actually can take it back over so we're letting the natural vegetation tell us you know how they're going to take over we're just removing the threat and we call this passive now we remove approximately ten point one acres of p o v the red indicates where the key of e has been removed and i would see about ninety percent of that area that we move is now being not passively restored by the native  vegetation we do some monitoring some vegetation monitoring there's this one please where we monitored in two thousand and five and there was there was a just over six percent rare cover that means of the area six percent was covered by rare plants you can see the red line over the years the deer impact where the deer presence has gone up and so in twenty fifteen less than is just one point one percent left recover so we are feeling the impacts of the a this is an example of the deer this is a deer dung with the calvary ceiling coming right off a d to cali beans and they deposit their the seed which fertilizer and the calvary can start growing so we know that deer also moved non native there and the deer as have learned to come down every summer when it gets hot and dry to feed on the stock in leaves other than the bucket and i'll show you a picture of the of another area where they didn't fence off where there is no deer in and what the recovery looks like and then the deer also this is a the whole of the deer hoof that went right through into the nest and killed the shearwater  we also this fence is also designed to keep predators off predators meaning larger predators like cats and dogs there are very very they prey on the nest and and pretty much the birds are pretty defenseless against cats and dogs since the birds i believe it was in two thousand and six they killed over fifty birds in one sitting and that was a big loss due to the colonization so that's why this fence is very important and most of the the animals that do the big damage are actually straight domestic dogs although we do have off wild feral cat vigorously and it provides cover for the birds as well as provide some base for the native coastal vegetation this is a fence to keep the deer out of  the coastline and now you can see the difference one side is full of the what we call the native a cool equally whereas the other side nothing exists here mainly not native grasses i just wanted to give you an idea what the fence is going to look like this is a cross section of the fence as least metal as possible because of the salt air and it's going to be one of the first of its kind because if you ever want to cut in it's like the great wall of china and it cost so much we couldn't afford something like that so we're going with this alternative that's much cheaper and much easier to repair the fence will have a five feet corridor in each side we need to keep we will maintain the vegetation so that cats can climb to tree and jump over and then we're going to make special gates for our access gate as well as one road gate there's one place with a fence crosses the role but the access gate you can see it's it's framed so that when you close the gate it's just a little space between the frame and the gate itself so that nothing can slide underneath or through the gate and this is the road gate so like i say when when i first went to the mall we planning department to to try to get an estimate and i believe it was michelle there that helped me out a lot and it also kicked in state historic preservation division and u s fish and wil compliance processes which we've done and both of them approved there is one condition that they have stated and that is that when we do the fence construction that we have a full time monitor on archaeological monitor in case we do run across either burials or our art sites and the thing about the ark sites and the burials we the fence actually protect those sites that are inside the fence because the deer will no longer trample on and we do work very closely with them a look i brew we've been working for years with them all of i brew counsel to know how to treat exposed bones or to reenter and bones that come back from the museum to the area so we're very sensitive about those issues and you know we will follow all conditions that are put on us so i'm just asking the most that planning commission to please help us protect me one more and just so you know a lot of people do visit moments one of our areas that is rather relatively accessible and we've taken hundreds of more look at people there  thank you any questions do you have any questions for mr mitchell how did you address max concern about access for the fishermen we putting those gates putting those gates and we have four of them there we're going to get in and we can put in more if they want thank you so the deer machine is less expensive and more weather resists than steel but how does it hold up to dogs i have several dogs and they destroy everything i use every attempt to contain them and protect them looking at a high maintenance item i believe that when you enclose an animal with a fence don't try to get out but if if it's just a fence and they run along it they won't try to get through it i've that's my experience with fences he's you're seeing him off his food you're fencing him off from his food or one of his food sources and there will be persistent oh yeah i've been doing the structures that are being built and will be left there you know later on time i'm thinking you'll be there for as long as i'm puttin see and if if something you know if it breaks we're going to repair it responsibility of audit and follow wherever the ownership transfers to you from my knowledge working with tinchy over thirty years now we've never bought a preserve area and then tried to sell it ok we've always tr to maintain it as a nature conservancy preserve and we've always raise funds to do our manage on those areas ok just some of the one and this is very different but one of the examples is we allow people come before us to put antennas up in different areas for different agricultural stuff and then later on the company goes out of business or for some reason ownership of the property changes over and then we have this big piece of metal sitting up in you ever decides to transfer a conservation area to another conservation agency or group yeah you know but from my knowledge i've never seen that happen in a wa or any more public testimony on this yes or would you come to the microphone please and state your name thank you my long term tenure of helping steward that area down there that fence is absolutely essential for preserving the biodiversity integrity and the health of that ecosystem i was down there last night banding birds with the crew broke lapses from trampling and hooves so my concern to access restrictions and i have reviewed and talked with the head i am really confident that all of those issues are being taken into account and their willingness to i'm in their fence plan and add additional gates as necessary to allow for easy access down there they are fully aware of the traditional use of the area and have been very supportive of it and they name is ricky cooke i'm i'm also a teensy board member and also president  whole area i go there often i thrilled to see the improvement and i'm very proud of the work that teensy and also m l t and that partnership have been able to accomplish so  few guys to still go along the cliff on the top left corner he walks in and goes along the cliff and then drops down and we put a gate where he he said would be good and we know people access along the beach beaches so we put two gauge there and then we put just one in the middle just in case we need in the middle but we can always adjust those gates ready for the recommendation so pursuant to the affirmation aforementioned the department recommends that the commission approve the s m m minor permit subject to the following conditions the conditions from one to five which includes the project shall be in accordance with the description submitted and representations made to the department that best management practices will be followed according to number two number three that a professional archaeological monitor shall be present during all ground disturbance activities number for the project shall be initiated by i will cross that up because that was mentioned for march thirty first which our meeting got canceled so it will be for may thirty first twenty seventeen and shall be completed within two years of said initiation and number five that full compliance with all other applicable governmental requirements shall be rendered so i just have two years is like a standard otherwise permissible thank you sure if we can go forward we can know if there was any and if there's any issues or maybe even comments from e p a and some sort of environmental agency that says to us there are significant adverse effect after the fact permitting of that's pretty common and it's probably nothing but because we do it for every single project and we ask for that kind of information i think that especially when it's after the fact that kind of information would be good for us and then we don't have to keep coming  comments from anyone  it there because there are no ground it is outside the shop so i said back area that is why i put that under as an exemption so if you have any questions would it's up to the commission but i think it would take them individually ok if you want to wave at each one if you don't want to wait one decision of the commission and the respect of the applicants because some of them on the drawing detail of the food in detail and you can see that it shows that there will be less than twenty four inches of ground disturbance and we're we're very fortunate to have such a talented and expert knowledgeable staff at the my county played a part in including this lopez to review these items and we trust that if there are any issues that we have it made clear that they will come back to us and make them and ask for that so that we have provided th so so i guess that's what i was getting at clinton if we if we can just have that stuff when you know that there's going to be any kind of a new construction or whatever it is that possible so we'll have to go through all  there are other issues this commission is warranted to make sure that the quality of life too for the people in surrounding areas that really crowded we need to see what's going on i mean we allow them to do this just by talking about it we don't see so i just want to make sure that if it's not that hard and the application is already some pictures and stuff like that and you know and whatever can help it might just be easier going forward in the future to just produce that one you're not there and was there a second through the motion no no so the most the motion was to wait wouldn't know that just based on before were asked to up do you want it to be included as an insert i don't know i guess i just was trying to ask because because i i that things as simple as replacing roof or remodeling about through you know we don't necessarily want to review that goes through the tedium but the department handled that but is there off line because this repairing the roof and having a four hundred fifty five square foot carport did we establish criteria saying where are we waive review and where or because if we waive proposed until we get the package and the applicants waiting another month so did we give i'm this leaks so i'm trying to remember if we gave specific guidelines as to what we wanted to see or what we wanted to condition from the historic preservation was to have an archeological monitoring plant monitor on site it was deemed exemption as a miner permit that is why he you know he presented to you in such a way so that would be the difference between a minor and it an exemption so if they don't meet the exemption classes it would towards as a minor permit with conditions mr stevens thank you thank you a chair just to address a question that was raised earlier about the materials in any e p a requirements or environmental requirements the reason that we replaced was similar as it is so we fit out of the exemption class and also so that we maintain the same visual anesthetic character of the home and any type of addition we would also want to use a similar type materials and all materials that we use we make sure that they're all complaint with all e p a standards all project with a consistency by which we do our job and so when we are doing exemptions or not were asked because of the previous planning commissions desire to see every single application that comes through we're we're asked to look at it and make sure that it doesn't have very specific to that we can ensure as a commission that specific things are going to be followed so even whether we approve it  we still held to that responsibility so i just want to state for the record that when we're looking at individual project is not as simple as disturbance the roof can be the same the color can be the same it's a heavy responsibility of ensuring that the quality of life for the surrounding people in the area environmental criteria cultural criteria and all those things are done and it's all good and fine that the department will do it i trust that great job but i just would like to make sure that people understand where i come from and the commission should come from me to never forget that that's one heavy responsibility and it's not as simple as seeing a project as one thousand dollars versus forty thousand so that's just my statement thank you thank you with the question restrict them from putting up any kind of structure so and when they do go before that i know that the department has very specific criteria by which they have to apply for so i'm very satisfied that those  made the effort to come in and to see what type of permit that they need in and actually go through the whole application process i mean that's what we want to practice as a department to go out there and help these local families to get the necessary permit and go through the process that they need to here on it's been a long time since we've been together so i guess we have to have to start making a little paying attention ok there's a motion that has been seconded all those who favor question this may not be relevant but maybe maybe so member when we did and they had that big air traffic and stuff like that i mean is mike is that is that an issue because i don't want to just bypass the d people said it was i'm sorry so i think it if this lopez if you feel you know what is your recommendation visited the site and it is far from the roadway of a place so you would have to drive in it kind of the traffic going coming in and out so it's more we waive the review it's been seconded any further questions ok all those in favor of the bush should raise your right head all those opposed motion carried thank you thank you thank you very much mr chairman members of the commission this is a resolution that came through the economic development committee with the council and so what happens in that situation is and in this particular case we have a council member who is quite interested in this topic and he and his staff work to develop the draft order that ordinance that went from the council through a resolution process to the planning department and when that happens the departments charged pursuant to section eight point four of the charter to process it and send it to the planning commission for their code and basically what amendment does is it adds a new section subsection in the code that allows folks to cluster their acolytes to parcel sizes as small as one acre when when that's when that occurs there are a whole bunch of requirements that go along with that bill they also asked us to list their issues and include that in our staff report we did have a meeting we had a public hearing here on february eleventh the members will probably recall recall i gave a presentation on the proposed resolution we walk through we had a really good discussion lots of good questions thoughtful questions and comments and following our discussion the commission decided that they needed more time so they asked to defer them if you'll recall later in that agenda on that day during the setting of the agenda for the next meeting the commission felt that it was important to get their comments up to the council so just before the meeting was adjour commission asked the department to make a list of this commission's comments and issues to include in the staff report to send up to counsel the department did make a  last issues and concerns using the draft minutes from the commission and we provided the members with that list in a march sixteenth  to a committee counsel and there'll be additional meetings of the council level before the full council hears the proposed bill i did provide a couple handouts there's a very short list of slides here this is from the presentation on february eleventh so i just pulled out a few of the most important slides so that we could have a very quick refresher of of the bill so if if the commission's ok i'd like to walk through that with the members  this is only five slides and really pared back a little bit if we can go to the second slide actually page two ok the purpose of this bill is really depicted in a simple way in the illustration us at the bottom of the slide so the purpose is to allow the creation of an agricultural subdivisions in the ag district utilize a minimum lot sizes of small ones and they are provided they do this conservation lot and really the intent of the overall intent is to preserve district and that's illustrated at the bottom of the slide if you look at the left a typical conceptual image of an agricultural parcel in the m image we have what we would consider be a conventional subdivision utilizing our existing x only mortons which prescribe this specific lot sizes so and then ordnance we typically see a subdivision like what you have here in the middle image with all the lots being roughly the same size for those for the smaller lots of divisions there's very little room for innovative site plan in that example with the proposal that's included in the resolution the intent is to allow what we have here in the right kit which is to cluster the smaller the lots take the subdivision potential slide slide three words is how does the proposed bill work it's really pretty straightforward not a big change in terms of how we administer the existing c applicant comes then we have what's called a sliding scale and i discussed i talked to the commission a great deal at the previous meeting about how the sliding scale works but essentially you use that to determine how many logs you can s divide a piece of back land so we determine the maximum number of locks that can be subdivided and if somebody wants to do and if somebody wants to do a cluster subdivision smaller parcel something that's less than ninety two acres than sixty percent of the parcel would have to be set aside for that i'd like to note that what's really important about this is one there no additional act subdivision potential provided pursuant to what's been proposed so if you get twenty blocks under the existing law you couldn't get any more than twenty lots under the proposed law  of the proposed change the second issue is that it's voluntary so that works for a property owner that's great if they do property or prefer going under the existing system that would be their choice it's also important to note that there's a provision in the proposal that came down from the council to require some sort of a design review to make sure for instance that in the subdivision there's access to the ag conservation lot or that there's a consideration of what the best act lands are because if we're going to protect the ag land we want to make sure the best land that's protected right ok next slide slide for slide sure is a pretty good example of some of what we've seen more so recently on the island of  could certainly see it here as well this is a thousand acre parcel that's developed to full build out under the existing law which would allow forty six lot under the existing law you could have up to fourteen two acre lots and this is on slide four and then the rest of the lots we have to be fifteen twenty five or forty acre blocks typically with that of people are subdivided and down to the smaller lot sizes that are permitted under the existing bill you would have a larger remainder alive and in this case it's about two hundred sixty seven acres but a thousand acres forty six lots this is the land you scatter and you might see on slide five next to it we have an example of how the same subdivision might l with this clustering concept so forty six lots all done in this case a two acres you know the remainder lot is nine hundred ten acres so this can be an important business tool it is used in other jurisdictions when it's done correctly it can provide benefit in terms of good planning in protecting important  but it's critical that it be done correctly if you go to the next slide slide six now get a last one here our department supports the concept of cluster  subdivision design in fact it's a recommendation currently a recommendation and some of our recently adopted plans to amend our zoning ordinance to do this but we do have some think that's fairly complicated we feel that there needs to be some additional site plan criteria that some of the criteria need to be more explicit if we're going to do this and  t the issues that were identified by the commission during its meeting and there were seven of them the grammar on this is a little funky so we took it and i added if you look at the next page we had a mixture on exhibit one of questions and statements so we rephrased it so it was easier for people to of seven i am this is the list that it's our understanding of the committee had these types of questions and issues so today we have an giving any new water meters they're not allowing any subdivisions so i don't even understand why this paper exercise it's a  joke i mean why are you even doing this if there's not going to allow any subdivisions there's no meters you can't get a water meter you can't do a subdivision so i don't even understand why you're taking up all the time to do this exercise you know that's a that's an excellent point there are many areas in the county they were subdivisions are constrained due to lack of infrastructure including water not being  said there are areas in the county where we are seeing and we have what we have here are slides four and five will slide for this is not an unusual situation we've seen a fair amount of council members who drafted the and they have proposed this bill is resolved how many exactly how many have there been in the last five years well it's an ongoing thing i know there's been some big proposals summit west mally a large areas of west now have been are in the process of being subdivided in this land use pattern we've seen a lot of it up country al have water issues up there right now seen very little of it on the line i e but the lanai commission was quite concerned because they have a very large eye parcel and so the reason they exempted themselves from it is they were concerned that the subdivision potential on that very very large parcel could be moved around without without reviews so we haven't seen much of this on  incentive you have a property owner has a potential to make more money off larger loss but you're going to cluster his subdivision and then remake maintain and land it's voluntary what incentive would the property changed by another amendment so the code is only codes that could come up with any any subsequent administration who doesn't have the same concerns as a people offering this and it sounds like an awful lot of wasted time on you you've hit on a number of very important issues here and let me take the incentive part first what what we've seen where the incentive is for property owners as these large lots when they're doing a subdivision under the existing law which requires for larger parcels and a subdivision beyond fourteen lots you have to do fifteen twenty five and forty acre lot so there's a much larger logs the infrastructure costs to develop those laws very high and in addition topographically is some of those areas if you are going to take the thousand acre parcel and develop the portion of that a portion of the forty six logs you can only do fourteen a two acre lot so everything between fourteen and forty six is fifteen twenty five or forty logs if you have slope the land if you have land that slope be with gold and you've got to bring infrastructure to those areas very very very very expensive  so that would be the primary and sound of for the property owner is to reduce the cost of subdivision the second set of would be more of a marketing and seven in that some of the twenty of that it's permanently protected with this restriction that runs with the property so that's really the the compelling public interest reason to do something like th prevent these clusters of gentlemen farmers on one acre lots with a banana tree and two chickens now you're creating that and you've got one farmer  if we're going to have agricultural land then we need agricultural people not gentlemen farmers very very good question and similar a similar issue i think this was the biggest states and we aren't happy with that so that was that was the major issue that was documented from the now i planning commission now one of the major issues the first the trade off because we're trading off things is that yes on a one acre lot the chance of that happening is higher than say a two acre lot or a fly me for life or a fifteen acre lot  however the chance with us ag conservation laws if we preserved seven hundred acres out of a thousand acres in this deed restricted for agriculture knows no special uses are permitted now that property stars to reflect its act value if we have proper restrictions on it now perhaps actual farmers can afford to acquire it and fee simple or long term lease which is a huge problem right now is getting farmers who are in the business who want to make their living farming getting them on to the price on the land in a way that's economical so that would be the positive trade off of this is making a lot more agricultural land of bailable at values that were reflect the agricultural uses opposed to the residential use on the other side for those cluster of  the risk of those being a gentleman of states would be higher logically than what you see right now a two acre lot you know i i'm sorry i just don't think this is appropriate for most for one thing we've got several thousand acre parcels on the east end of the island and those parcels are and they're beautiful but to think that you could farm on the mountain and have any sort of viable farming is pretty crazy so what this would do for create this little hillbilly junction of one acre lots all along the highway and i mean it's just and plus all of the land around town is ag and it would there would leave nothing for affordable housing and i don't think that one size fits all for every piece of land so i'm really opposed to this thing so i just have a question  to be educated get a bit more on this issue so the proposal is that this allows so the creation of this conservation law terminology or policy what have you would fall under the criteria of conventional subdivision sorry conservation subdivision so it would still be conservation  county which would limit the use of that property  said already no no no because folks can come in and they can rezoned a rural or urban that's that's that's what happens today you could do all the of the remainder lots of the bigger lots and they're coming back to the county to try to urbanize this would prove that it just seems to put a lot of restriction and burden on the landowner while it's a voluntary program so so so we could volunteer that whether or not there was a specific wording of conservation lots right so i'm having a hard time understanding voluntary then why would you need to put in as a mandatory procedure or guideline in something that we already have it seems to me to be something that eventually would be mandatory in which case then you know that's not fair to anybody i mean some communities queued up but let me just tell you what's happening on the ground the reality  nd this is all they can do those these forty six lots some of them fifteen twenty five and forty acre lots so this is what they're doing they're they're doing this there's no option  do what's on the right of that there's no there's no option in the code to do this right now so they have to do they have to do this so what the proposal would do is say if you don't want to do this we're going to allow you voluntarily to do this but if you're going to before going to be a break from that minimum watts size we're going to make sure that a large portion of the parcel was permanently  well as the agenda for their next meeting on april thirtieth regarding hazard mitigation on climate change adoption workshop so this is  my understanding is that the department of parks and recreation has a project to repair the roof and mr poley and so they're working on that so we here in the month of may and in june w then the national park service is holding public information of meetings on the island of little caylee on tuesday me if you had one o'clock and six o'clock at colonial nollie hall