school for is that it is not of course it isn't anything given class credit is not performed in the school it is not supervised by a teacher or any member of the school of the school or it  contemplated that the students were on their own time find certain he did only proved apparently institutions such as animal hospital whatever and go out and do a certain amount of service on their own that concept is very disturbing to me because it sets a precedent that says that school board school districts can establish requirements for schools that are academic in nature so basically what we're saying is if the school district decides it's a really good thing for students to attend every football and basketball game both away and at home they can set a requirement that that be a prerequisite for graduation and the prerequisite for graduation are set forth in the legislation which have been attached to our appendix and even in the legislation and in the rules and regulations the school districts may substitute petitional training for other requirements but they can't create their own requirements for graduation and those requirements are certain follow the statutory scheme and not enlarge upon it for a change in any particular way and over in the statutory scheme is or any of forty four school districts to create requirements for non now i would really where to that they have a lot of authority to do a lot of things i mean they can control conduct of students in the classroom the kid will have uniforms with lots of things that they can do but those things wrong course related and the things that are extra outside of the school such as homework are directly related to course requirements but this is just out there in the middle of nowhere it has no basic core curriculum you're sending these kids as young as i don't know it's been years but what's a freshman in high school thirteen and twenty this thirteen year old you've got six hours every semester of community service that you have to go out at the age of thirteen away from your parents away from the school away from the that says that that the parents must attend has nothing to say and says if there's any supervision he said oh well they don't have to go about the parents but they go i suppose you could go with their parents and then you're forcing the parents of the students to engage  activities that they may not be able to because they have jobs to do and other things you know i mean it's it puts a burden on the parents as well and so basically of i believe because the legislature specifically addressed the issue of our culture service requirements in and then those in the school code in the regulations of part of what they say that they're trying to do and regulations is make the case schools throughout the state of iowa uniform and if you allow high schools to make different requirements then are required by other schools then some of the transfers i say from waukegan down to the caterer will you know walk in like say the last semester the school year and suddenly discover he's got here she's got six hours of community service requirements he has to do that like the number of classes that you have to take to graduate i don't think that section of really addresses that the school may make up other question were missed but we're missing the boat here euro this is not of course there are schools in illinois do and in this particular instance if this was of course if you required to students to if you offer the students a course in swimming i mean there's one of the statutory things they pick and require them to do c p r there's all sorts of things but that's laid son so what does that phrase in addition to other course requirements mean what that means is that you can't just get out of high school pick these core curriculum courses because you are required to take a sufficient number of elective courses to have a sufficient numbers but it's to graduate if you don't have those credits or whatever they are i can't remember but you have to have a certain number of credits at the end of the four years or you don't get your diploma those are required courses you've got to take them but there are courses this is not of course a course is a course that has a future it has a lesson plan the teachers get a certificate from the state of illinois and this is not of course and that's the difference if it was it's not a course and and wishing it so doesn't doesn't do it i mean if you don't go to her credit you don't have a teacher you don't have assignments you don't have of any any kind of a lesson plan or anything of that else it's being organized by a school it's done on your own time not during school time it's it's just not right because there's just no suggested what other requirements in a high school set up for graduation that have nothing what so do so ever to do with academics and i would agree that it's it's one of them to have students perform community service requiring them to perform community service is not a whole lot different from what we do with people in the justice system will get duis and all the rest of that who have to do community service as a part of their sentence and i just draw an analogy briefly to what parents do and obviously there's he had a half acre that i have to mow and i had a push mower and he didn't water the lawn so every august while i was doing was putting weeds in the dirt was blown up in my face of the grasshoppers were jumping on my legs and i just like that so much that i went to law school and i determined that i would never moron again and i don't own a lawnmower but so were some people to do something that i mean let's face it i'm not getting paid for this i feel good about doing this pro bono cases because the justices don't like to be bothered with the draft of prison right cases and i told them they wouldn't do it and i had to tell them four times i would look before i got my license for the trial bar and i was out in  number one i don't cut a clue what this is about i don't want to learn but i don't believe that i should be forced to do something just because someone thinks it's a good idea because it doesn't make me feel good and doing criminal  wouldn't make me feel particularly good about what i was doing were doing this and doing the other things that i do pro bono do make me feel good so i don't think that the school that this six to establish is going to be served by this requirement which is not of course it would be better served by the courts that the legislature has said that they may offer which allow students to get that good feeling provide our turn to do community service in a course type setting which probably has some instruction around white community services field and all th sorts of things that social studies are supposed to be about and then they get some credit for to sleep this can be accomplished through the statutory scheme not through this or that why isn't your  thank you i think that to start off with the theory that of course under that part of the school code has to be structured are because it's off campus or after hours  opportunities for students as well so the purpose of twenty two das seven was to provide a minimum academic floor that all students in the state of illinois should have to perform in order to graduate and the legislature then we use it to the state board of education and local school districts to fill and the gaps and determine what the rest of that curriculum is going to look like and we're talking about a critical not just the academics reading writing math etc but the state of illinois also has some emotional learning stand under the mental health childcare act of two thousand and three so the state board of education has promulgated rules and helps the district implement things in their curriculum the powerful social no tolerance stands now so many of the things that they learned regarding that are something that's necessarily going to be taught in the classroom so this is an example of where those types of social emotional learning standards can be used and put forth and generalized out to the world to help prepares students for the world of work and beyond and these primary i'm leaving example are i mean are there things in the overall curriculum other than this example i understand they could do this six hours in different places right big you said those emotional and social standards all need to maybe yeah who are they met with in the curriculum give me another example most of those would be met and during the day time structure hours because they may have a speaker come in and give presentations on bowling or different things like that where the student be required to attend that presentation or that lecture yes because only me part of their curriculum it would be part of that class  this regard when the students go out and first of all if the fear is that how is the student going to get there unsupervised the students are supervised by a supervisor that's on site at the location that they choose the district sets this up and gets ahead of time a list of different places that the students can go and do these community service hours they're constantly getting new ideas and involvement from local businesses and places in town and they assist and this is a meant to be a barrier so they will assist a student if the student said i work after school i have to pay he said my siblings i cannot do this after school hours the district would work with that student to find another way to employment there and get these learning hours such as it talks about that you can in your academic pay for community based service hours so academic based would mean that perhaps during your study hall during the day you are mentor aying or tutoring aide and elementary student or you're going to go over to the elementary school and read during dr seuss so there are ways that this can be completed so you know if a student doesn't have the opportunity to get somewhere after school or have a transportation that's available to them this is also something that many school districts in the state of illinois have added to their curriculum and in fact in decatur it was so successful and it's to show that it's not a punishment or something that they're not if you're forced it's not any benefit to you last year's graduating class and your state or eighty one percent completed at the time they graduated more than the twenty four hour minimum required nineteen percent ha the twenty four minimum students approached the district about creating this program for service learning hours and again that's something that we as voters vote in our local boards of education to make decisions about whether they want to adopt a sense that their curriculum this is a local board of education have to have this approved by the state board before they can add it to their requirements it would not have to be no i would not have to be specifically approve  state board and their regulations indicate that school districts must have those minimum courses ever acquired but then they also have additional authority to promulgate other graduation requirements there's very little or well the state comes in and audi the state comes in and audit school districts i will tell you how the horizon for those it is what if the school board decided for maybe two hundred fifty dollars then i think you would have an argument that is unconstitutional because it's it's too now there's been no case of penn state on the other cases that i look out for out of this jurisdiction but i think again that would be something that the district would have factor into the make up of the students and their community and how many hours they think is i don't think any i agree that that would probably be the only remedy this point but i don't think if the school district is going to given the fact that they have the parameters of the curriculum the learning standards that the core classes that we have student came and it is set up that it's twenty four per each or six hours per each year that you're in high school so if you came in your senior year you then would be required to do the six hours you would not be required office and then to make up the twenty  down twenty seven twenty two to say that it's of course said that these are the only courses that you could have many school districts go beyond based on the needs of their students and how they see that they're performing in college well no you only have to act two credit hours of science that you have to complete most school districts require three by their own local board policy or if they've seen that the students have struggled or if they feel social studies is an important aspect of their program they may require three hours and addition so i think there's absolutely no doubt that the twenty seven twenty two is a minimum and so then to further say that it has to be narrowed to a course and it cannot be a program such as a service learning program i don't think was the intent of the legislature and i don't think that it promotes the ability local school districts to create a and eighty one percent did more and some students actually have asked if this be done before not just dad it is a an elective they could certainly do that as an elective but i think based rant they feel that it was so it's and was of such benefits to the student that if you make it a graduation requirement then there is an incentive bit the student would have to at least try it even if they thought that was something men never wanted to do and then what they find out is that it is something that is very beneficial to them but if it's not a requirement and certainly a graduation requirements even a bigger and because it's just available and left him there will be some students that want to take it in this form feels that some are starting program is essential to the community and and it was oakland where some students actually did not graduate on time because they did not have their hours time but as far as any kind of pushback i think the problem there was that the students for just their she several federal cases and they're from the ninety's is that when this movement began or school started looking at community services something of value i don't know answer i can tell you that apparently just of interest the governor seige the pace of the service earning hours is something that's important because he's just august twenty first sign of public act ninety nine for thirty four which actually i'm actually a man's this very section that we're talking about twenty seven twenty to thirty five and the portion where it talks about that this state is going to require two years of social studies says and at least one semester must be civics which will help young people fire and learn to use the skills knowledge and attitudes that will prepare them to be competent and responsible citizens throughout their lives civics courses contents shall focus on government institutions the discussion of current and controversial issues service learning and simulations of the democratic process and that becomes effective january first two thousand and sixteen so there was every thought that service earning hours perhaps something that wasn't to be something included in the public school district would work with that student to either come up with a different project or help them find the opportunities so that they could have that available to them or a student has transfer hand in their last year i'm not feeling of the community i don't know any of these agencies i think a school district would work with that family in order to help them either get the six hours that they need or have some kind of a waiver well i think imagine a speaker coming to an assembly or a partial assembly and the student might be required to attend because it was during the school day right then during a time that they might otherwise be in class or otherwise launch or otherwise again study hall and yet they wouldn't get credit for it they might be required to attend it even if they objected to be who this peter was because it's during the school day and the school has decided it's part of the character is true but i don't know if i like that but it's whether i like it or not isn't the test i mean well that i guess the question students roughly twenty one hundred sixty six whole per year to argue that all this can be done inside the school would require eisenhower and occur through high schools to somehow come up with twelve thousand seven hundred community service hours that can be performed by the students during the school day inside the school and i don't i can imagine what that would be so to say that if certain students had some problems maybe they could do something what if all the students want to do this during the school year which for school times they have a right to do there's just no way that this would physically i agree that there's no limit on the number of hours and the number of things that the school can require for the types of unconstitutional i think that it's great if they have a civics class and they can do that as a part of a structured course which is what apparently governor romney has suggested but i'm suggesting is that of just telling them that they have to do of the students at more or less community service hours i would have objected but i don't like to interrupt but there's nowhere in the record that this is true so propel my argument off the record off the brief with