and i thought the best way to do it instead of me just just talking and sort of giving a lecture was to have someone interviewed me so i was able to pull my friend rose kind of off the street and one of the things i always wanted to ask you in fact i've never had the opportunity to ask you was what got you started because you've always been someone who cared about you know our health and human beings and then you made that transition to pet health and i'm just curious how that happened and my you started investigating ingredients well it's kind of interesting when i went to my health issues which we don't want to really dwell on a lot of the audience knows about them and i turned attrition to turn myself around because i was told you know basically go home and die we can't do anything for you and came up with zero answers and well they're all dogs what do you want that was the comeback really well i want all healthy dogs right you're an old person you know what just go off a pastor and go you know so i started to research and do the same thing i did for me for my animals and i took these dogs that were sickly about at the age of ten eleven and twelve because they didn't have the best history either when you know a lot of times when you rescue dogs they go through a lot of trauma and they blacked and  and i had one of them live to be eighteen and a half wow and we started with changing nutrition and then i actually had my eyes wide open to how bad the nutrition for the dogs is and that's a shame too because you think about it your pet becomes a member of the family absolutely you're an outsider you don't have a pet you don't understand that you have a dog that dog is a member of the family when they die you agree just as you what you know i do anyway we watch the dogs once and i were you i'd lock myself in the bathroom for the entire day i couldn't come out because i was so upset about well they still your heart and then eventually break it but they think you hurt and yeah and the way i look at it is you're either feeding your dog and taking care of your dog properly and the junk that's in our food and how to avoid it and let me read it can you believe this what kind of friend is he but you know you make a great point so you know what i did was i brought in with me some just some examples of food and their ingredients ok i want to make a little disclaimer here i'm not going to endorse anything ok you know and we're going to talk later on of course about how to make your own food ok and i'm not going to really mock any brands it's not the purpose of this it's more of a purpose to educate it sounds good right already sure just the name and it's a i'm sure pretty label as well but it says that the ingredients are first of all ground yellow corn is there anything wrong with that well if you would think how the dog is designed and how  that's what they're designed to do their intestinal tracks are designed to process grass ok you know a dog's intestinal track is designed to process meat well you don't even think about all of this when you're you know corn of course not as a vegetable right i know it's not a  and that's actually in the groove in the seed of the corn so anything that's as a cornstalk grows as a carnal grows all that is in that in that dream of corn wow and so gets the micro toxins which you can't kill always being produced and always product well byproduct means it's all the meat or all the ingredients like ligaments cartilage tendons all the things that don't end up generally in the human food supply that onslaught or get thrown down on the floor and get and lay there for the quite a long time as and then the funny cleaned up and processed in the rendering plant into what we call chicken byproducts meat now the meat the meat can actually mean other things and really can talk about that you make dry food and i know that's what that is you have to have a certain amount of bill and that's just the processing you know you can't make dry food without a meal and you can look at it as corn meal ok corn doesn't have gluten the type of glue and that's in the corn ok but certainly not something that's so that's that's a filler in a binder is what they're putting in that and for you know i'm looking at this in this list is like this long i don't know how they fit it on the dog food can turn the package but it's that's a form of vitamin b and that i mean find a vitamin e and that's that's good ok let me just say that the other stuff but let's talk about the fats ok all the restaurants around the country have these barrels in the back of their facilities that have all the grease and everything that they discard and it sits out there for as long as it fits into the rendering company comes on a small plot a small restaurant and say i might sit there for a month or two and a rats and faster and then this is what they do is they actually spray that on to this dry food as the food is being extruded out of it's you know much like a pasta maker ok and it's been extruded out and they spray that on there and then sorbitol or any of the things that they put in there you know and a lot of people like i know for example i've said this to you before my dog really doesn't eat a lot and yet she's pretty big and i actually do not know what you are feeding a dog  not too bad right well that's even a little bit deceptive that's the canned food you're looking at yeah this is a canned food you need water to process ok and that's a water sufficient process ok when they weigh the chicken it's wet ok when it's actually processed it's dry so they're weighing it wet but the actual ingredients are less than what so when you do the  by products again there's to me by products ok don't give the name of the manufacturer but can you can you give the name of what that particular call that product or some chicken and brown right ok so you have almost sounds like you can open it up for dinner or for everybody  here and we want to talk about what that means to be an entree ok ok all right but you have the first ingredient is is chicken wire second rate water and that third reading is liver yeah ok you know liver has a  are eating toxins great and it's really the second ingredient in there you know they even tell people yeah i suggesting we should be eating liver you know not that i ever have to yeah either can't get beyond the sight of it you know that's no small amount again it's a grain the grain so we're feeding we're feeding a meat eater grain to fill them up you know they don't process that you know how many dogs have diabetes that's it's one of the  again probably right that it pretty much and spinach spinach is good a product what is it a good product that's interesting nobody really knows or will define it with a product is it could be nothing more than th filler it comes from a red sea where a plant it was one of the original forms where they derived m s g from really so it contains naturally m s g no wonder she wants to keep eating well that's it makes it alright yeah it's an addictive and so it's a neurotoxin is what it is and it's an excited talk and so it actually causes your brain cells and nerve cells to die and it's cumulative so when you get it it doesn't disappear yet it's in you know go to a restaurant you have a hard well i wouldn't say that because if you look at the list they put in some vitamins and minerals in there and some of the names of vitamins and minerals like the difficult to pronounce i mean you actually saw the breakdown noticeable if you saw something broken down how water really is y  and this has a very you just said the very first ingredients in what they're going to have that this is water sufficient for processing that's the first ingredient was water that interesting water yeah but then they've  got beef chicken liver again with the liver ok what's what's the what's the name of the not the name of the product but the formula or some beef and brown ok so you have water beef chicken  isn't the beef and chicken entree exactly you know i mean so you think really not getting a lot of you but well you don't know what you're getting you're buying canned that you think you're buying beef but it has chicken there what happens if you have a dog that has chicken allergy you need to know this you know what i mean so if you're if you're not sitting right there in reading that label and saying what the heck are you know you're potentially going to have some trouble well what are the meat by products that you know i'm not saying when anyone's had a tiger if  you know when when dogs were being put down and kennels and different facilities and you know medical facilities whatever a rendering plant would come and pick those carcasses up and they end up god and you know you are what you eat you are what you don't eat and this meat things the original dog foods some of the brands that we still know that are still out there were were rendered rendered dead and cats and dogs and used and you say well that's a myth no it's not a myth in fact i actually knew a guy who job when he was in college was to go to the these facilities i just mentioned and take them to the rendering plants and that was that was his job so we  that's what you feel like you're considered property so like if a medical professional hurt you you can go after them ok legally criminally and sometimes they hurt your dog look at this we'll talk to you why would i do that to you oh my gosh i'm going to start all over again i get there everything away you heard you heard this dog and they're really only responsible to replace the dog for you so you don't really have a mutt another mother hundred bucks you know what i mean is that's their property and i don't even know and i don't know that i really did long as i've known you and we've talked about this kind of stuff i never knew that this again has a lot of this the same things that we talked about but i think that was something important to get across was the need byproduct and now i'm seeing here because i'm looking at something that told them again yeah and it's lamb and brown right what can be found for me for me it sounds corny but when i look at this again the first ingredient is water sufficient for processing liver it's not even the first meeting audience that first meeting during right is right the lamb entree right liver comes first then lamb then wheat gluten and then me by price again this really is even worse than the last one yet it's a well known i know it's the one you know what what happens with gluten in my opinion gluten causes inflammation and and so you don't even have to be sensitive to suffer the effects of the right age or in some dogs and some people are more sensitive to and greater problems you know but why is it in your dogs i don't know you know your i don't know your dog is not going outside and saying hey i need some gluten what can i kill get some gluten from that's crazy and again in this one we've got the added color doesn't go into the breakdown of how much of red or yellow but again why why why what is a right what's the reason behind it that's entirely shoot to make it appealing to make more appealing to you yeah yeah otherwise just as i said before my dog will eat anything you put in front of it and i write spike they come over here and want to come over say i said she loves that somebody come on now this one this is ninety five percent now you can't have an argument with this ninety five percent beef canned dog food ok and what could you have against that now on this one it does say that the ingredient the first ingredient is base and then we've got beef br and that's a canned food when they actually cook it that's cooked inside the can it is so these are all the ingredients and then they cook it inside the can so that's brought us what they're calling to be froth can be nothing more then the including m s g m s g because here it says that there's a natural flavor which is natural flag a natural flavor to mean nothing more than the juice from the beef but it can also mean m s g that  so on the surface if you look at that you could see m s g m s g m s g now see that's crazy because on the surface i'm looking at that i'm saying beef beef you know what i mean it's so deceiving i as a consumer my knowledge is limited you know where dr eating gradients are concerned if i see beef is another cause i've always been taught if that's the number one ingredient that's what you have the most up so i'm looking at this list of ingredients because it's seventy five percent i'm  jerky and chicken formula that let's talk about you've mentioned the formula you've met recipe what were the other things you think entree entree yes that's that's a red flag and that's a red flag that tells you i'm not getting the beef is that you know it's it's really a bunch of other stuff formula ok that does make sense right recipe so if you're if you're eating beef you just have beef beef and water and a little bit of vitamins and minerals and maybe  can't make my own bank like i've been doing you were making them for years yeah you know i mean that you know so there are some some alternatives that cost a little more but again you pay for one and or the other yeah you're right all right  and i have a my dog is with us today as we said earlier spike is just the perfect dog commander so it's boy she looks so cute down there and she's wagging her tail but you know it really our pets are a member of our family and we want to treat them well bill lot of us thought that we were when we were buying certain dog food because it's the first ingredient says chicken or it says beef and we've been learning throughout the show that that doesn't necessarily make it a good product for the dog now here she comes now but here's one and i got we have to talk about this one because it's called prepared meals be do honest to god i got to show you i mean i don't you probably can't even see this it looks like which is really weird because they put it on a dish plate ok they put it on a plate that people would use and it looks like a stew that i could begin to like right now because i'm hungry because we've been talking about food for the last half hour but but but that's so deceiving isn't it absolutely deceiving i don't want to be greedy and so the first product again is for processing beef wheat gluten liver and meat by products i want to talk about this beef again you know it be one thing if we knew we were getting beat that we would want to be right you know we have to be selective and watch for hormones  and antibiotics and right for it and then we want to hope you know for really being diligent and can do it we way grass fed free range the we know we're not getting that they're ok you know so the quality that beef isn't going to be there f you know this is this is generally stuff even the corn this is really interesting we spoke earlier about the morning after the the f d a only you know that great agency only  bed all right so they sample a few areas and i say ok this is human food it's not human food because it has too much fungus on it so we put it into animal feed fairly that that you know that we feed the cows when the  it goes in the animal food for food you know like dog food and cat food and so so you're getting this this rejected food from the human consumption side into the animal con that you just you feel so bad when you know that i know all of this you really feel a little guilty that you've been giving your dog this food let me ask you something if i want to switch over and we'll get more into switching over later but this is a question that i don't want to forget to ask you in the past they've switched from dry food too to canned food in the past i may have given her food from the table instead of good food from the table but instead of the packaged food but i've always noticed any change in diet integrate it if you're using whatever food you're using you have a little bit of the new food to it and over a few days a period you start missing the original food and increasing the new food ok and then you're not going to get that sudden sudden change of habits i started bring that up but it's important to me let's talk about cat food because we've been focused on dog food all this time but certainly there's a problem i'm sure with cat food as well well it's interesting dogs dogs will you know  mediators like we talked about the grabbers but they can handle some vegetables in fact when we talk about making food all discuss that because when when they go out and they kill something in the wild they will eat some of the stomach contents and in the stomach contents of most of the rodents they catch or whatever you know they those roads the vegetables leave kind of stuff so dogs can can handle that if you look at a cat it is totally designed for nothing more than meat and if you watch what a cat eats they don't eat this time they eat there are they usually start with the head of an animal and really how many how many cats you don't have cats and neither do i but i've had enough experience with cats the catch a rabbit and they eat the rabbit's head and you know bring the body home for you to enjoy yeah i know they want to show you their you look yeah yeah are you proud of me get back out of here it's gross but i've had a cat once growing up and that's exactly what the cat did yeah it was gone and the breast the body that the corner the vegetables or anything this in that stomach but most i'm at the cats aren't outside and they're not killing rodents and eating them and i think that at one time and if you look at most testers they're eating grains wow they're eating  exactly what they should have here but you can't do you need to really think about what they are i think you have to be more diligent with the food on the cat than you do with it is not it's almost like it's a second thought like it's an afterthought oh yeah we have to feed cats too so let's just throw this time in all the fifteen years i've been doing this the first time i was actually going to say go for this one and then i started doing some really deep research area and in in the year and i'm not going mention their name  because i think they've corrected the issue but in zero eight and zero nine they had problems with botulism and i didn't see anything surfacing for a scan but i saw a little blurb again in october in august of eleven so it crushed me because it was the first time that i thought things comfortable and good because you know all the sourcing from stuff from china we know know we all the dogs that you know thousand dogs in the in a matter of a couple days from that one batch and that do this program today there are things that you can know and there are things that you can do are there any what do you do do you feed your dog strictly well i'm on your own i made my own food you know someone who burns a steak every time i put it on the girl i want to just grab again i'm not getting my endorsement but i will tell you because i'm not able to prepare the dog food right now this is what i am feeding my dogs now see already i can tell just by what i've learned from you today is that this particular thing that's called the formula but what's really neat is right on the label it says grain free number one thing you should do when you feed your animal is for grain free now this is their ingredients a beef that's the very first product before liver beef broth and then we try to get into the words that you can't pronounce but there's ground flax seed in here which is also very good for a job well even the word i can't pronounce and it's a phosphate those are those gargano actually causes the intestines not to absorb the nutrients in the coast intestines and so you're feeding your dog for the purpose of feeding is nutrition right and you're coating the intestine so that the machine can get absorbed so it doesn't make a whole lot of sense when you get about right and i can see what you can see just from what we learned today just looking at the label ninety five percent even liver five percent vegetables fruits and whole something greedy and zero percent grain and going ok your dog can handle a little bit of fruit of my dogs love apples yeah you know they can handle peas they can handle a little bit of spinach they can handle that as long as the main ingredient is that is to be the meat protein and that clearly that's what this it and then again that's why they call that one of the color recipe they call it a grain free nutrition before that yeah because it has if it was just beef they could say just be put right because they put those other ingredients in there in the formula so we go through all of these i think we should ok you know  a parent i know one of the most important times to give your children is when there are many families in the place they can go to find the support they need ronald mcdonald house charities programs provide that supportive environment so families can be together while their children are tenet ok my pleasure listen we were talking about before the break the foods that are acceptable if you cannot prepare the food yourself for your dog so we're looking at a particular food that's called organic dog food and it says that this one is blaz beef recipe but it's grain free but the thing is you said what's key here is that it is organic meat if it is organic beef the first thing right and if you would let's read those ingredients down as we talk about them what's nice about organic reef is you know you're not getting the hormones you're not getting all that stuff that we should be eating you don't know if it's grain fed or grass fed ok but it's another one of those things in the plus column right and the idea is to throw as much as you can with nutrition in the is organic sweet potato who would have thought this is sweet potatoes are wonderful are they good for your dog absolutely really absolutely not to be confused with regular white potatoes not good for your dog now there's also organic classes in a cranberries oh my gosh there's another good thing and then of course it does say it has water sufficient for processing but when you look and it does down the the or so and then they actually give you zero calorie content on here too which i thought was interesting i don't know if it's important or not  no effect no impact but overall a good food you know good ingredient you feel you're going to feel a lot better feeding your dog this than you or any of those other gradients that we've talked about earlier this one this is tiki dog and it's a premium whole food it says is that significant when you hear that you're well again it's marketing but yes yeah but this is this has ahi tuna in it and i didn't know that you could feed your dog  sure and that's ok so i don't want to feed my dog every day maybe just as a treat every once in a while you know just as the dollars get bored with the food just like you know i got a little bit yeah exactly well this is on brown rice with sweet potato crab a garlic and k all in seafood can consume it but i mean that sounds good to me yeah not really it can actually open up and it smells wonderful tuna brown rice sweet potato aig crab garlic and that's the size of your dog exactly ten pound dog yeah all right well dog but you know and then this one was was to twenty nine so you're really not it's not that bad you know what's the difference and not that great from the junk food well but again that it and this has ingredients again the first ingredients is beef beef broth carrots potatoes peas now this probably isn't as perfect as some of the other ones because these are white potatoes in but again if you're stuck you know a little  potatoes not going to be the greatest factor all right you know the majority ingredients in the plus column and they are yeah and they are and this one doesn't make any of the fun claims like no mystery i'm sure you can feel least you're getting getting good information you know i mean you're getting it about that that's a very good idea i want to talk about feeding your pet from the table do we have time to first as briefly talk about tree let's talk about trees and then we'll go into the the treats are too many tree but you know what i do rose i have a green furry actually it's made by evo and and i'm on my i don't care for the real evil canned food but they're they're good biscuits treats are really a grain free   don't know that that's right you know they're there they're getting they're getting a little treat and of course you know i know my know your house every time somebody comes and she gets a treat yeah everybody wants to give her a treat and that's difficult to do it is and look ok let's let's start talking about making your own food for your dog because there's a difference she said before people used to feed them scraps from the table but today you know if i see somebody hey my my dog piece of bread i get really upset well that's the bread so yeah i would be upset to accost of them because it moves so fast does go ahead tell everything we need to know it and start over the quality meat of a more organic free range grass fed that you can be ok all right it's easy what i would do is say i did chicken a go buy the best chicken i could find sometimes not easy to find but you know you look for granted up in a food processor put it in a crockpot put it at the bottom of the crockpot that i would i would throw some ground up kale or ground up spinach i buy organic you know frozen you know ground up carrots every once up a little rice just for just for a treat but not on a regular basis then put a layer of organic piece on top cook it for six to eight i know what about that do you give a couple of it i mean what is it good for a dog my size well long day i don't know you actually you know it's better you know they don't get hungry like you do you think she hears i think if we hurt her ego in believe i would have never guessed that so so if you want to give your dog a treat every time they come in it's ok to break in have to that if you want to feed your dog from the table that's ok too and not not on a table but i mean you prepare something our mutual friend bernie test it's not bad if it if it's low on salt of it's low in a fact if it doesn't have spices and that's connected to that i thought that one of the ingredients in the bad dog food that we were looking at actually included salt i thought what the dog needs salt a little job that eats anything off the these questions we could talk for another hour yeah i care about what i think my job you know the end of the show and really fast and i think we gave out a lot of information and the idea is not to listen to me and do what i say it's to take charge