but it's the show grew we expanded our tribute to heroes and eventually the hero's journey most americans not judge of campbell during the legendary p b s series with bill moyers the power of myth it featured joseph campbell in his lifelong study and sharing the gifts of myth throughout the ages in the book the hero with a thousand faces joseph campbell explains the basic parts of the hero's journey the hero ventures forth from the world of common day into a region of supernatural wonder that felix forces are there and he encounters and has a decisive victory thank you all comes back from this mysterious adventure with the power to and while in modern times we still study the greek and roman heroes modern media have created heroes for every generation to serve as models for our own journeys of transformation so from cowboys to hunger games let's explore the worlds of heroes with our adventuresome guests hi jeremy welcome to make our children oh happy to be here well good i've known you a long time but more behind the camera and i'm thrilled that the odyssey in the iliad and the way that they were written and perhaps passed down as an oral tradition at first and then assembled in writing has really formed one of the longest lasting legacies in western culture and i think what he sang about he was a singer he was a poet  evokes so much of what we take for granted in our media and everything else that we use to distract ourselves and in society and the beginning of having journeys four of the heroes and then we hear the stories well of course homer wrote about the iliad in which achilles is the main hero and he if you take the central story that everyone's familiar with there's also a lot of back stories and additional details that you really have to delve into the readings for to find out about certain  and jason who got the golden fleece you know not many people know that he left his his wife who happened to be a which and she good and bad people it's very there's a lone ranger and then there are a lot of bad people and you bring them to justice and even though he were a mask right we kind of evolved it seems to me the next real thing came about with space whe actually really turned me on to to joseph campbell's writings was the special that you mentioned was bill moyers and in that of course the they had the famous discussion about and well yeah that's a that's a that's a touchstone in a lot of the myths is that meet the hero has no parents or parents that are either missing or or the parents that had tried to leave them to die in the wilderness or that that man here's a question that came up when we were put the show together and i was talking to various people can i hear oh actually go out and commit bad things can they actually hurt people are good they have to be above this well  you think there's always some collateral damage in the hero's voyage or they're just not human you you know even the gods themselves are only shot people in the in the shoulder he was very careful not to and that could have had to do with the time of of the fifty's that they wouldn't allow anything to be bad on t v and then i realized we've gotten to me and i we were hoping we were going to get  young fan and when we didn't get it at the last minute someone couldn't come but the hunger games to me this is maybe are very modern after harry potter and and what strikes that to me as a woman this is the first time a woman that could be that could be a problem could be a problem ok all right she she wrecked havoc i am him have to admit i have not read hundreds game chat but i want to after talking to some fans and i think it's great i think it's the tragic flaws but since it is in a trilogy and i don't know whether they're going to write more books or not are there more i don't know about the hunger games whether harry potter the woman who wrote harry potter potter is the first billionaire to ever  become a billionaire from writing a book which is a is it is a great saying well we're going to do something that we did a long time on a show oh and by the way i have to point out i still have my gun in my hol ahead no no one's watching one of the school things about stuff yes the first few movies i mean when i grew up my generation grew up with those movies came out the first movie came out nine hundred seventy seven and that's the same year that nasa is to space probes voyager one into one launched so we kind of grew up in the consciousness that someday we could inhabit this world we could colonize the galaxy like we see in star wars and that that sense of creating our own mythology was sort of floating around there in the star in in watching his movies we were seeing that the the probes are out there we were seeing new planets we've never seen up close before now that the probes are leaving the game they're leaving the solar system so it's pretty interesting yeah well it is within reason now that we're is one time it was  fiction that perhaps was the billions quite literally billions of galaxies that there is something else out there i mean like there are people who say oh no but mathematically and and they may be can tell me one more time i love those the logos yes it is conception of the word and the mind it's what the it's really what the principles of the well he's blind ok thank you i'm not making fun of black you know you're not but you were there was a tribute now you said quite literally with a tri he didn't did he challenge something he told him that he would kill his father and mate with his mother oh w favorite because he had so much he really had some great things he said we put we did put the quote in the air because most people know that one about there is no try said he was trying to be upbeat about his job situation was looking for work like a lot of us and i said don't try to we can have some music maybe we'll go to