we're talking about why do we need a new library why do we need a new city hall and these are some of the issues that we've brought up that we really have it absence of an identifiable and appropriate civic center civic and cultural center as you're aware we have an aging and less efficient city hall than we might the library is currently in a temporary space in the wall but it's in i think about eighty seven hundred square feet or something of that sort sixty seven ok even smaller you've got smaller and right so yeah so it's a very small space and there's really an inability to meet the public's demands for technology a lack of space for community groups to meet as you probably have all encountered in the past insufficient space to accompany the collections and resources that the library in the city have to offer and if we have deficient spaces to appropriately reinforce each centered learning so right now we really don't have spaces that are good for separating teens and children and tweens and all of those types of things so those are some of the things that we're going to look for and then we think that there's a time for a new vision a twenty first century library that can serve as a living room for the community not just the the the library but also the city hall we can create a cultural and social center at the library we can realize the opportunity for shared operative shared synergy so with this building with the library and the city hall being combined it allows us the flexibility to schedule meeting rooms that could be used by either organization could be used for staff purposes of shared facilities to support staff and things of that sort so a great opportunity there this building could become a catalyst or it will become the catalyst for the city center that is being planned on market street  will inspire learning opportunities for all generations so i mention that we have that deficiency in the wife and we can expand the online and physical collections so we know that we have the ability and desire to have more books and more resources available to us and finally we can foster a sustainable resource for the community so by that i mean a building that will allow the taxpayers to have some things in the future that will not cost necessarily a significant amount of money to run so we can look at using renewable energy sources we can look at other types of sustainable building sources as well so as many of you have seen we have been here and conducted a number of meetings we've also gone out and met with various groups and we're going to continue to do that  attended public meetings about a month ago and at that point i did what i called mind breaking session where we showed images of libraries from around the world and we ask you what you liked and what you didn't like and we generated i don't know close to five hundred comments that came back from that meeting and we're just post it notes that you see here and so you all have posted notes and it's sort of  a twentieth century version of twitter so you just write down what what you feel like you want to communicate and then we'll post those up so i want you to if you don't have those jennifer has plenty over here we also have hands for you to use and so it's it's our form of communicating tonight and just as we did with our public meetings this work cloud your represents  out so these are things that we heard during the meeting and we have that respect that we will keep with us as we go through this process so where are we today in the process so this is when we still asking for your feedback your thoughts on what will make this a library and city hall for south burlington and so i want to continue to reinforce the ideas that were still in the gathering moment even though we have drawings that suggest with the building might look like or how the building floor plan might play out exciter so today we're going to present three options the options into each one of those ona present those to you tonight and talk about what are some of the attributes that could make that option very special and then we're going to go and break out into the three areas and the team that you saw up here will be staffing each one of those and we're going to want you to go and spend about ten minutes at each of these stations and then write further comments or we'll hear further comments from you and again we want to hear things you don't like as well as me want to hear things that you do like and hopefully there's a lot of things you do like and then on tuesday we're going to meet with the co team which includes the city and the design team and others and talk about what we heard tonight and we have a another presentation on saturday and that's ten o'clock on saturday saying right here and we want to we'll go through all of those comments we'll do our own self evaluation of the three options and then on tuesday at seven o'clock  here we are going to unveil the preferred option and talk about going forward from that point so your feedback is very important to us today saturday and  ongoing and on tuesday right so the site as i think you're all familiar is on market street right next to ours where the residential multifamily project it's just finishing construction and this is intended to be as you can see these footprints of these buildings are intended to be this new city center of mixed use very walkable community  neighborhood one that will have the ground floor and most office are multifamily above we've got the school site to the north here and right now the school driveway comes through here and so we're going to be relocating that and creating what we're calling a new street and so that street will align here and so that gives us about a half acre of property to build upon and we're looking at approximately a fifty thousand square foot building and when i show you these three options tonight some may look a little bit bigger than others but that's because we're in this diagrammatic phase so we haven't really honed in on all the specifics and so we are again talking fifty thousand square feet and we're talking three stories so you know some of the features that are in all of the designs are that we we heard if you saw in the word cloud natural light natural materials was very important lots of great use fireplace w something that came about with comfortable seating having a tween space having a teen space having potential make or space a creative space for a variety of things having study rooms and meeting rooms a variety of sizes so individuals or groups of folks can come in and organizations could come in we also are looking at having no ups places where you can sort of escape and read or do whatever you want self checkout having a digital lab having public art so we've already met with the public our commission and this particular library is in wyoming and just as an example it was done by an artist from the east coast but it was every time somebody checks out a book in wyoming these lights the lights start to flash of  into into the lobby of a building this happened to be in jackson hole and then having a children's area that's all very defined in very special for that age group  these are the three options that i'm going to go through very quickly and as many of you saw as you came in early you saw the renderings from the back that the staff have been working on and so we're kind of option a the center of activity and we're calling it the center of activity because this is market street this is the new street that goes back to the school the school is here and this is and then this is the three storey building so we have a glass facade on market street with a two story atrium space very dynamic we're calling it a large living room that is coming along in this area here and it has an outdoor room on the very corner in the very south east corner that will have wonderful views of looking down market street and into the city center building and then i should be calling it the urban oasis and the reason that we did this one is because it has a civic plaza right here on the corner so when we start thinking about public buildings especially a city hall it's an opportunity for a place to celebrate it's a place to protest it's a place to come we could have other activities out there such related to the library that might be face painting it might be a maker faire is somebody suggested maybe a small farmers market all kinds of things to happen on this public plaza that would be at the corner here and then on this particular plant we also move the children up to the upper level of the second floor and they might have their own outside desks to go out on to have activities and then this particular one is a three story library and we've created the grand reading room up here in this area because we heard from our meetings that there was a desire to have the reading levels at the highest the adult reading room at the highest level with the greatest views great daylight and then when we do that we can shape the space with a roof that might be unique and so it's not just have to wait so that's what option b reading room there are stairs in elevators so i'll get into those speakers ok so we're we're making sure that the building is mostly accessible to everyone and so whenever we have a level we always will provide an elevator or a ramp or a stair or all of the above so even on these plazas here we're showing elevated a bit but we have a very gentle sloping walkway here so everyone has access to the to the building and then option c is what we call the step terrace and as you can see the building kind of steps down to the corner and we have this outdoor space on the second floor and we have a large roof that on the the roof of the second floor the city hall the can come out onto the adult collection on this particular plan is all on one floor and i'll get into that in a lot more detail as we go through this which results in a very efficient operation because it probably reduces the staff a little bit in terms of the staffing levels that would be required but so these are the three options that we're presenting and we'll go through these and i spend a lot of time an option a because i want to make sure you all understand some of the unique aspects of the library and then i'll go more quickly through option b and c because just talk about what are the unique pieces about those and then we can have some chance for questions and then we'll break out into the individual groups so i should say the center for activity this is a street perspective on market street looking towards the i'll call it the west as market street bends around here and you can see that this present very dynamic in striking presence on market street so we've built more or less to the property line and we have in the corner here that out there room and this happens to be the living room of the library down here in the first first level so in plan the way that works so this is market street down here the new street going back to the school here and one other piece that i should mention is that ramp down that would come in to their lower level there and that may be allow us to cast some underground areas book or basement space as well so in two of these options we have that coming down at that end and we have one other option where it's coming off this new street over here but getting back to the building so the building is fronting on market street so this is be where the intr vestibule coming into the lobby this is a two story space you come in and we have a welcome center or information desk there and that could be a one stop shop where different services could be addressed  or if you came in and you had a meeting with justin or somebody that you would have that the person who is staffing this desk would call and have that all arrange for you to go up or he would come down  we have the city clerk's office here which has a lot of high volume of traffic coming to it and then we have as i mentioned a two story lobby so we have a grand stair coming up here we also have an elevator here we have restrooms back here and we also have access from the north where we have a drop off area that we could have booked drop off we could have service and things like that  have the living room fiction and children and then as steve is trying to get me to move forward here we have this broken down into different pieces so i'm sorry i get too involved in the discussion here but this is the two story lobby maybe an image of some of the activity may take place there this is the information desk and then we have that stair going up to the to the second floor we also on this level have  a multipurpose room that would accommodate thirty to forty folks and it would have a flat floor and it could be set up much like this for various types of meetings we have it designed so it could be used without being involved in the library or we could have it accessed only by the library so it's really one of those shared spaces has a small and would be a  great room for for groups to meet in so then i mentioned the living room which is in this area here and so this is where we see that the friends of the library book shop to take place we have a fireplace with comfortable seating around it we may have an area to serve some coffee or vending machines will have large print books will have periodicals and things of that sort that or people would want to come in and read immediately we're also exploring the idea of potentially a garage door here that could open this space up to the sidewalk and in the four or five months of the year we could have this sort of sidewalk cafe coming into the library and it's possible that we could allot that off from the rest of the library so this would be a very unique space that would be very welcoming to people coming to the library and and being able to to read a newspaper or to just sit and read right off the side of the street so it's a much like a retail area and then the entry from the lobby to the library is right here and then the star represents the circulation desk so this is where people coming into the libraries would be greeted by by staff and then in this area here we have section and so we have reading areas along the windows of this is the circulation desk potentially at this location here we have staff areas over here the multipurpose room is being here and we have a stair an elevator that is used exclusively for the library at this location since the library is a two story library in this particular option and then further back  we have the children's area which would be defined by a glass wall that would caustically separate the activities that take place back here so kids can be  kids and we have their own restroom family restroom back here we have staff work area back there and then in the upper corner we have activities room and we have a separate area for the tweens so that everybody's being comedy to it and then we have an area for story time over here in this corner and again we have our own service desk for the for the children's library back in that corner so the first floor then is the living room fiction and children on this particular option here so then as we come to the second level we've got the stair in the elevator coming  and then over here we have the stair coming up from the lobby and the elevator over here and we have the auditorium which is a room that would have the ability to accommodate about one hundred people will use some portable seating that will be cheered that can fold up it's a concept that if you've been at studio one the p r works very successful and so as we come into that continue our work in the library in this area we have nonfiction we have again reading areas along the windows and the stacks in the center and then along the perimeter of here we have study rooms and quite reading but this is where the stair and the elevator would bring somebody up from the second floor and our service desk is right here so this might be configuration of what the seating might look like along the windows our quiet reading room might have another fireplace back here in the northeast corner looking out to the recreation fields of the school and then we have the study rooms of variety sizes two to four people that would be glass wall so you could see into it and once you're in the room very flexible rooms that would have white boards and smart boards and things of that sort depending on  need and then in the we have our outdoor room here on the second level that would be partially covered and it would have a variety of seating out there and then we have a reading adjacent to it an open reading room again with lots of daylight lots of views to and from that space right here on the very pivotal corner of the of the building and then we also have on this level a a team area a young adult there collection is out here so everyone can come in and use it if they want but then when they have their own sort of lounge space where maybe there's some gaming going on except for and then there's a digital lab next to it and the digital lab is could be used by either the teens or it could be used by others when when it's programmed as such and you can see the service desk right here in the very center so good a village key to provide assistance to people on this floor so it's a very efficient layout we also have some staff areas along the backside here and we haven't drawn windows in and things like that but in all likelihood we have lots of windows on our site here so the staff have a great amount of natural light as well so then i mention the auditorium is on the second level and this is a photograph from studio one at the p r and this is the seating with fullback and this would be a really wonderful elegant space we adjacent to that then we have some shared meeting rooms and one of the advantages of this scheme is this option i should say is that these meeting rooms could be used by the library and locked off or they could be used in other hours and locked off here and used by the city and by other functions that may be using the auditorium so this is a great opportunity for shared resources shared meeting spaces in this option here and then on the third floor of this option we have  city manager's office of planning and zoning meeting rooms and we have a shared employee spaces that would be break rooms and a wellness center and things of that sort so people who are visiting the city manager's office as an example would come by this elevator or this state and come in to the the city hall at that level so the city hall is  essence the clerk's office on the first floor and planning zoning city manager's office and staff support areas on the third floor these might represent skylights that bring daylight into the glass and views out and this particular table was a piece of art that was created by an individual maybe we have some of those that are offered in the shared meeting levels on level three so  that is how we have looked at option option a the center for activity and so i go into option option b here which we call the urban oasis which this plaza and all this activity down at this space here and it's the one where the library is has the grand reading room on the third floor so in general brown floor and the city hall functions are predominantly on the third floor with the library on the first and second floor on the side so again just a quick overview this is the plaza opportunity the urban oasis we have the entry into the lobby here we have information desk city clerk we have the auditorium and a lot of the features that were in the pictures that i shared of the other auditorium would would be consistent here we have restrooms down here with the multipurpose room that i mentioned for thirty to forty people down here and then we have the entrance into the library  our living room our service desk circulation our staff work area fiction is down here and we have the teams down here and a digital lab and study rooms down here so that's a big difference from  the previous scheme where we had pushed this building all the way down to here and that allowed for the living room fiction and children's to be back here in this option we push those back so some of the primary differences as i suggested is a plaza that could be used for a variety of of activities and programs on the second floor we have nonfiction and we have children's area is off to this left side of the drawing and i should mention that there is an elevator for the library that's right here and  stair open stair for people from the first floor to come up to the second level and our service desk is right here so we've got good observation of what's happening and we have a study rooms in quite reading and those types of spaces that are happening around the perimeter back there and so in the children's area on the second floor we have the ability as i mentioned to have a small roof  terrace for children's activities we still have the tween room the storytelling the activity room and and then going back one is that we have the ability to have a stair that goes up to the third floor of the grand reading room which is right at this point here so as we go to the third floor then it's  that stair would then come up and we'd be at this level and we have this reading room that i call it more of a reading a loft so we have our elevator that would bring us up to that level the stair would bring us up to that level we also have the ability to have an outdoor terrace on looking out on to the green roof and there areas that would be open to below and so then this would define the third floor reading area and then the city hall with planning and zoning in the city manager's office employee shared support spaces and some meeting rooms taking the rest of that that floor we do have some other stairs that we're showing but these are more eagerness for fire purposes but we see most people using this elevator and the stair as they would come and meet with city staff and they would then be using these meeting rooms which also could be shared by the library as well so this is that that reading room on the third floor and maybe it has a sort of a vaulted ceiling lots of daylight coming into it with that wrist terrace and the ability to be sitting right next to  some native grasses and things of that sort and then the final option is option c which we call the step terrace which you can see kind of comes back like this and one of the major differences this option is that we have the ramp coming down on the north side and coming down to serve the lower level and our building on the ground floor doesn't have the plaza but it has a little more space here coming back with the entry coming into a one story lobby the auditorium the information desk the city clerks and the restrooms with a door to the north for drop off and things of that sort so coming in to the library we have the living room with periodicals large print down here that could have the fireplace maybe an area for serving coffee and then the children's is down here in a little bit different configuration and than they were in the other scheme but still having an activity room and tween space and i should also say we always would have a restroom in the children's have i mentioned the adult collection is all on this floor so we have fiction and nonfiction we also have seen so along the the northern portion we have the teen library a lounge area that would be separated by a wall of glass digital lab obvious staff additional staff areas our service desk is right here we have a large this is that first step terrace so we have this large outdoor space here we have quite reading located here looking out to that terrace the stair that would go down to the first floor service desk and we have our own restrooms and and study rooms along this site here and another nice little j box of reading here and a multipurpose room with kitchenette very consistent with the others only this one is on the second floor as opposed to the other two options were on the first floor so  this is what maybe that corner reading area might look like looking down market street to the west these meeting rooms might have garage doors that can opening to the rest of the library and then we have all the adult collection on one floor and this roof terrace here on the corner and then the third floor is the city hall and it has the same functions as the other third floor and city halls with planning and zoning city manager employee support meeting rooms this would be elevator and the stair for visitors to the city hall office understood floor and then we have a roof terrace here that could be accessed by visitors to city hall as well as the staff working in the city hall so that represents the  three options that that we have presented so perhaps this is you know what the deck might look like here for having staff come out in the public come out and use that that area or for lunches and things like that so that's where we're at today so if you're a member we're just in the beginning and we're not suggesting any one of these options is perfect and has all of the issue solved but as we've gone through and met with the library board we've met with library staff a lot of questions have been raised about how do we do this and they start to ask about well where do various aspects of the building really want to be and there's obviously pros and cons to why the team the children might be in the first floor versus the second floor and so what we want to do now it's a quarter till eight so we'd like to do is break out after we take a few questions will break out into these three groups and then you can start to really hone in on what elements of the design or maybe is the city ok so the total building is approximately fifty thousand square feet the city hall is approximately fifteen thousand of that thirty thousand or fifty thousand and the libraries about thirty five thousand now yeah in each case that was the goal now some of that space is part of the lobby so the lobby part of it goes to the city hall part of it goes to the library so the actual library space that we've programmed is about thirty one thousand square feet so that's why the the building as a unified whole i mean if we were to build a freestanding library it would be larger than thirty one thousand because we'd have to provide a lot of the shared facilities as for only one purpose so that we get a lot of savings by combining the buildings but it's fifty thousand and fifteen and thirty five  we have a veto program that was developed by the city and so we've gone through and we can share that with you in terms of why it may seem that way and i think where it may see that way today is just the way the space lays out and so well but we do have a detail yes  we go to the three options if there's a comment that all three options it would be a comment about off three options where do you want to just write those down and say apply to all three ok or all three and we do want to make sure that you you put in the corner of your sticky a if it's a comment the specific to a b if it's specific to be and see if it's specific to see or if it's all just say all or a b  is should not have one less meeting room or a smaller meeting rooms or things of that sort they should be consistent throughout that was our goal we have a program that  jennifer developed for the library and we've been working with her in terms of the how the collection is presented in terms of height the shelving and spacing of shelving our goal again is to make sure that each one of the three options would be consistent other than that comment ok i so want to make sure so you know i've designed of lot of libraries and and ten years ago and maybe even five years ago we took surveys of people unsaid how many libraries are going to have only fifty percent of the collection that they have today and half the room raised their hand and said absolutely well what we're finding is that it's not going that direction that the younger generation that the z generation or i call it the facebook generation those that were born in the moment they're born there on facebook have a higher affinity to books than my generation and so what we're doing is we're accommodating the collection we're also not having shelving that is up to here we're having shelving that's more at this height so that it can be better displayed and more browser that takes more space so we're trying to take into combination all those elements you're talking about by creating a more flexible library we're also looking when we start talking about digital labs of using more laptops and tablets within the library because they're portable and they don't get have to be tied down to that digital lab so it's quite possible that we could have areas  that may not necessarily be the digital lab back here but we could do these digital labs perhaps over here just by bringing the laptops over there and having an instructor over there so we're trying to create more flexible space and through technology it allows us to do that in through the software but so does that answer your question years well we're building it for fifty years that's for sure but we are finding that libraries are being used more today than ever before because there are so many more things you can do in the library and librarians are being trained to do so many more things than they were twenty twenty five years ago and a lot of that has to do with technology a lot of it has to do with responding to programs that are needed in in the community so jennifer came up with the the collection size and we've been working with her very carefully on the programming and in terms of how big these spaces are and so these are comments that we want to hear from you and if that's how you feel i'd appreciate if you to write that down because my my goal is not to debate you even though it sounds like that's what i'm doing but where we are we are as it has a trend seeing that libraries are it's kind of interesting so whenever you move into a new space you expect to have new people visit and here the circulation goes up so when we moved into the more within the first six weeks we gave out one hundred fifty  cards so a library did mean something to those people there were people that maybe hadn't seen us before because they because they use the modeling we don't but it does mean something t them bunch of questions and we had a survey and i was fascinated to find out that all of the people who answer they want to breed looks for fiction they want to do their assignments on li but they want to read books as well so it's not just us for you know some people my age who are reading but those are the adults of the future who are you know teens now also said that they parking in bicycles so we are going to have bicycle parking and will be located in the ground floor probably in areas like this will accommodate that  in terms of auto parking we're working with the city and looking at a more comprehensive parking plan for the city center and in all likelihood it may be in an adjacent parcel over here to the east  you an answer that would be yeah yeah i can't i can't i that's a great question write it down and we'll we'll make sure we get back as times are i understand and yes i understand we about right and again we're looking at this being a walkable center so that we're we're discovering some of the other retail and commercial areas down the street so again this is something that the city is doing as a study and they will make a recommendation to consul on this and but it's not really part of this particular project and i know you say how can you overlook it well it is being looked simultaneously ok by forty i'm guessing tape they would be on the second floor in the adult collection and they they probably will be going away but but the library still has him and we'll have them for as long as that technology is supported hate the last question we have not done that calculation i would say that the option c which is more square plan has fewer windows per square foot than the other ones do because they're more wing like if you will but we haven't done that exact calculation because we're not that level of design if you will the auditorium i don't think that we've really done the research in terms of you know with the pros and cons that's why we're here we're offering as an opportunity and i think some of the the the pros are that on the second floor it could be used by the library pretty easily not that it couldn't on the first floor maybe at a con is that for people bringing in musical equipment or performance equipment would have to take the elevator to get there so ok you factor in  and we haven't fully vetted that through i would say on the second floor the views are above the parking lot and and beyond and to the horizon and the third floor the same but on the first floor you're right you're probably the views more about bringing in daylight so it may be a chance we'll use translucent glass or glass is specifically about bringing daylight into the space as opposed to the views out this point right here so i just wondered what the thought process was in terms of years and most reduced mobility in terms of the different plane options and how much more difficult it would be for th use third floor facilities saying that when the first floor still is are you talking about the entire building in terms or just the library well i'm primarily thinking about the library but obviously the whole building itself i obviously  kind of thing to try to live well why don't you write that comment down because you know we are providing accessibility to all levels and i understand what you're saying only in that one option do we have the reading room on the third floor so we all options are more or less the main collection all the main resources are on the first two floors which are accessible by an elevator large print is on is in the there and they're here as well and i'm sorry didn't mention that i was trying to get through the three options and only point out the differences yes yes or which scheme would have the most outdoor so i'm sorry user error so it's a new it's an option option a and then the others have the outdoor reading and those kept scuse me pete thank you thank it's right there adjacent to the cafe the cafe gets a little bit smaller in b so the cafe is right here and we have doors that open out to this area right here we have to we have to comply with certain codes for accessibility and so they're they're not hospital sized but they are yeah they're larger than what you have here i'm thinking about once a long yeah and if we do that then most size the elevators according that we haven't gotten to that level of design we just know we need elevators and exciter any other questions before we go into the smaller groups i'm sorry yes sir costs yeah so i don't think we've gone to that level of detail we we we have found that the three options from a construction cost are relatively the same there obviously one may have more glasses we're showing it today but our ultimate goal would be that it would be consistent so that we're not spending a lot more money on one option because it's glass so every one of these has some unique features to it and we basically are applying a square foot cost in the square foot is fifty thousand square feet and so we really haven't gotten that in terms of operating cost and efficiency option i will say that option c probably offers a little more efficiency because it's more square but it doesn't have the amount of daylight in quite the same amount of windows because it's a larger plate that's the one that has the adult fiction and nonfiction on the second floor and it may be easier to staff because of that as well but that's our next level of of decision is to go through that analysis and really look at it so we're again very early in the design stage right now yes w sustainable it's a it's an important initiative that we want to pursue now there are questions all right well again thank you for coming but the most important part is hearing and again thank you for coming on and come back on tuesday to see how it all shakes out yeah all right thank you