and the table or the diagram that's in the in the ordinance to comply with what council already adopted on the twenty seventh relative to the street opening and that basically  i suppose stating that you i would like to have you vote or just in in total agreement send a letter saying that we disagree with the way they're handling it and you want them to come on board or whether this is necessary to get the matter resolved other communities in the township at one time their board was in support of the new plan but then once they found out the facts and the excess cost cetera they reversed that and did send a letter to to their members and say you know what we do not agree with what's going on so did at this juncture do we know that if bar council or the touch of communication completely saying official position now there people a lot of money a lot of time and perhaps i asked for an audit of the amount of our attorney in a little money in n c a a money that's been a taxpayer money that has been spent because it's going to be denied by d e p t in we're going to be directives and commentary from d t and they are meeting tonight and it's my understanding that he has taken all that information back they've had conversations all day from what i understand trying to verify different parts of the information  the agreement that they did receive i think that got to the newest agreement to t c s say on twenty fifth twenty sixth maybe of march so they're trying to verify all of that and i think that they are looking very critically up at what they what their options are knowing what you stated that b p has said pretty loud and clear that they prefer a regional plan as opposed to an independent that being said i think that they aren't prepared to look at what the alternatives are and they do understand the long term consequences of what's  places and so they need to have a plan in place once those items are all done they said that they would then be willing to release taps on an incremental basis and the other thing that was what we what we also learned was that jefferson helms apparently stein and the document they signed a document with blanks in the table with the idea that they trusted c n n south park has not signed they were present at the meaning that they have yet to sign the agreement so it wouldn't require that not only p c s a but south park also sign theirs as mr sylvester said some ongoing discussion about what the final terms of the papers creek was not going to be acceptable and they had already begun to look at alternatives if there were any and were looking at my natural options that all this was driven by the idea that they were trying to do the look at the best solution for the most economical we provided an outlet for him to take to take his water to two and then we did agree at a later time to install to were not a starbucks provided to them yard ra that he could use as part of a storm sort of improvement in the area and they will need to be a storm sewer pipe that will follow the entire property and then grading on our property the directive to to those yard drains  existed before storm water management and and these these houses were all predated his house potential problems was which is an issue that the owner needs to take up with camp and i would not mind eckstein on the proposed expenditure because i think we need to be done with  i think it's the amount of water coming down and pushing debris down into an area blocking the normal flow and that's something that you need to be aware and i believe there is in him an agreement the owner is willing to sign and a bond out and i get the other issue is a right turn right charge out on the entrance on guess another point is you know if we can grade this all want and get it stabilized seated i think long term the effects on the neighboring communities will be a lot less and there's a couple things about this that i don't particularly care for i'm not really a fan of setbacks being reduced one of the things that planning and zoning frequently get are people then coming back looking for variances because they want to do a porch or they want to do whatever or you're putting lines in the backyard people want to do it cool when they want to variance for that you know i think that we need to establish a pattern and make sure we stick to that so i'm not a fan of changing the and my perspective is that you have to address that problem because the township won't get in the middle of it a piano possibly get in the middle of it if you know it exists right now so there's an issue with that i'm not in support of the left and on east mcmurry at all whether or not you have a site distance or not traffic there is horrendous during the school year whether there's a light or there's not there's going to be traffic lined up so i'm not wild about that are trying to make a left turn in there so i'm against it i don't have a problem with the forty foot setbacks and i don't like it either but it certainly seems because that part's already constructed you have some of those sold already do you district out there they've done a food inspection and peters township plant company has a list of things that they're taking care of to try to prevent that from happening kim did say we're instead of putting good evening my name is jeff crimea i am the president of the soccer association i'm here tonight with several other board members to encourage council to accept this agreement for this project and also improve the turfing of field by we are very excited to continue to work together with the talent ship on this on this great project if this project is approved in this agreement accepted the soccer association is prepared to present tonight to council and check in the amount of one hundred thousand dollars toward this project that would cover the first payment which is due this fall and would also cover twenty five percent of the payment it's due next mall in addition to this project move forward i would like to suggest that the first soccer match completed on the new turf field between council and the soccer board where the losers b recommend that you wouldn't word to united civil contractors for an amount of eight hundred ninety five thousand four hundred thirty dollars they were actually the second lowest bid not within about one third of one percent of debates yes the warranty it's a it's an eight year warranty and it's it's a third party warranty and we specify that in case the parent company or the manufacturer were to go out of business getting an eight year period given the fact that this company will be doing their own grading they've obviously looked at the field they have an idea i don't anticipate there being anything right as you're on with a construction project there's there's always the possibility of unforseen conditions this this project is relatively straightforward the grading is relatively straightforward there's the work that has to go on top of that is relatively straightforward there should not be any issues but one never base to great and it required in this case the cases that they roll at him and see if there's any pumping because you need to have a solid base and if there are some soft spots it tells them how to remedia spending this much money on the field but when we did the bond which i didn't support this was part of it i appreciate the idea of the turf more than i did the lights i did couldn't support the idea of the lights but the turf makes more sense but if we're saving money under the bed i would like that to be a savings if possible you know we've we've talked about everything that we're doing here and where we're putting a lot of money into the fields and it's my expectation that we're getting close to being done and i would you know ask the rest of council that you know if we're going to support this that it has to be with the understanding that we need to look at now that fields are pretty much situated what are we doing for the rest of the population and what else are  steps so i'm just trying to understand that if we in fact have some money saved from this hopefully that we can keep within our coffers that we can start looking at what else we can do that responds to the other population would you agree mr b series of sign permits issued on this piece and first was back in seventy seven in march or seventy seven then specifically with respect to the restaurant the mistral semester he was referring to that permit was issue november twentieth of nine hundred eighty there was again a permit issued in june twenty fifth and nine hundred eighty one in in that permit there was permission granted so to speak from  shows his ownership and does not show any ownership of this piece what has happened is a result of him not having any ownership of this piece the side has been there for at this point of over thirty  years mysteriously several months ago it disappeared in the middle of the night land we found out about it and we came in to go ahead and get assigned permit to replace the sign that mysteriously disappeared only to find out this debacle in terms of ownership what we've subsequently found out is that it does not appear to be mr harbison signed for his land the land belongs we believe to the property owner who is that immediately to the that we have in the part of we're asking for we're understanding we're not asking for the township to sanction ownership we're not asking for the township to make any sort of adjudication as to who owns what but we're asking for it just to replace the sign that's been there for nature of that intersection where we have a hard time getting people to find out where we're located you know we're coming from south to north you kind of want to go all we have to valleys broke to find that you've already passed it up and it's kind of hidden by the trees and everything is very difficult to see the restaurant on the hill little bit easier coming from the north to the south but then again you know we kept the integrity when we re piece of property now live near miss robinson also want to beautify that intersection right there we want to lay scaping very nicely we want to make it attractive right now it's just stones and rocks and we'd then just nothing attractive at all we're asking to do is to go ahead and to replace the sign on the foundation as it was there and as far as the permission from the owner i would agree with initial so registry if we were requesting for a new sign that had not been there without a foundation and had not been there only for thirty years when i would allow a temporary side until this gets resolved and to just not allow anything there just doesn't seem fair to me was there was an like it was an existing nice name i know that's not the right term then i'm using that it's like anything else that it had been in existence someone allow it to be there they gave an easement or whatever you want to call it with their money changing hands was somebody's paying for it is is there are some issues a basis for why the sign wouldn't be allowed to go back there from that from so our understanding is that there was an accommodation we tried to find the old owners who were there prior to the development of the pole building we found them from the standpoint of finding them in the title but we haven't been able to physically locate them but our understanding is that that was given as an accommodation to that restaurant to allow them to have from engine visibility a and he absolutely i could probably get something in writing for use while but he absolutely has no problem with us being able to advertise for our business that we have no problem i think that i agree with my colleagues that it's a  was a preexisting situation certainly we should hear from the other gentleman but it seems like it was not an issue for how many years i'm not sure why it would be an issue now that maybe he has something else he wants to bring to li me to block it off so nobody with our cars up there which people were doing so i told him i bring railroad ties for my farms and i put railroad ties along the road that's outside that and he signs on the property gentiles and i mean all i wanted was someone to come we wouldn't be here tonight and talking about this if they came to me and asked permission to put it there and i would say fine but no we just do it we want to do it in the year johnson his wife were up there putting that temporary sign and i walked up i said did you ask permission to to get a permit to put this sign up and answer was we're from up towards an amway restaurant where we do what we want out there i on and that that was ninety four not thirty years ago researched it a little bit of property so when there has been widening in nineteen and then there's also been some changing of the acts of sister or over the years camp like it appears that this piece originally belonged to  politely i don't know what happened by right now where at the prior me arrogance so he apologizes he say it's fine and then you come to a written agreement and he gets a sign and we have business going on and i it can get worked out you want to talk to your attorney of a solution jim and you've got i mean we would be happy if we were just asked to do that that this doesn't drag on for significant period of time although i think at either coming back with an agreement or a court orders of worms showing the all of the resolution of the ownership of the property if you stated quite how to act and is not not yet we just received back the final part of the talk so if that may be a way to  and it then it would be up to two to this gentleman to then do whatever he needs to do a cool i mean i don't ask but i don't want it i don't want to hamstring a business especially where that's located i think it's very this different than what we had a conversation about all the temporary structures you know everybody wanted to be able to buy that but get this get that are we are we creating a modification here that's going to now come back and become an may and july the poor in september the shed we like it we can make it base open space for his property which space for open space and if it works out then maybe do that deal that way otherwise i hate to say it but i mean i don't want related to the place department whether we were going to have an opportunity as counsel to look at the records the documents the reports were you going to make arrangements if we wanted to do that as a group to radio the incident