i mean it's so frustrating i mean it feels like we're going to continue the same stupid thing we've done which is just health care costs go up and then we just grab some revenue to to offset it and don't do any thing with our revenue that's actually go increase in health care spending it's just that chase your tail kind of game that you cannot win but i mean just it is so frustrating and you know we're so close and there are some people who really should vote for it in the low income you know it is but there are some people who just cling to that is there reason to not to not do it and there are a lot of e mails that say things  like you don't change people's habits by taxing them which is just complete and it's like how many times do these people ever look at the tasks in the store before they buy something and you look at the price you look at the price and you assume that there's a there's a tax on the but there are things that have different taxes on and a good example of that is how many people will go to to buy something when they could go that essex where there's a one percent difference in the sales tax and nobody ever pays any attention to that no i don't think it even i do because i give the wil reps grief all the time having to pay another percent chance or is going to have it so all my trips to costco on my way to work to get feed the nurses and residents it's going to kick in and coach esther now that's right and well you kno so anyway i you know oh it's very fresh and to be that close you know to have seventy four votes but for some reason they insisted they wanted and i could get awfully close to that i guess there's this thing they don't want to bring anything to the floor with same bill as it started out as it's really much there and you know what's there is good this is the right thing it is and you know one of the things is that people you know they jumped on most everything so profile hundred thousand people death rate for firearms in vermont or new jersey the minor york well noise chicago we hear about gun violence all the time right who do you think has  are under the mistaken impression that if somebody has decided to kill themselves they go find one way or another which just is not what happened it's most the vast majority of time just very impulsive very impulsive you need something quick did you know and if you have the if you have a you know deadly method at the time you have the available at the time you have the impulse bad news too there's a fantastic study out of california not very many people survive jumping off eight minutes on average i mean it's you know it's such an impulsive thing for so many you know certainly there but for so many and you know the funny thing is two years ago when we were there was a bill to restrict certain kinds of automatic weapons and maybe the size of magazines and all of the bells like i said it's not the guns that kill people it's people will kill people keep the guns out of the long because i don't that's what this bill does but all of a sudden this was infringing on rights even though this is exactly what folks asked for two years ago you know it's really astounding it's really astounding to me and but you know i have these people i think honestly believe that this is all about taking away their guns which really isn't to me certainly not not to be i mean you know it's so it's really really pretty interesting it was quite a debate we actually had some of the literally read the same faute explanation he read the same as their explanation could be a script from somewhere else but i could  don't bring it up but it is going to be voted out most likely voted out of human services this week that they had they had hoped to do it today but they did not last i heard they say they hadn't voted on it and i don't think they probably got to it but there there is a group that that the opponents have since i've been there but we passed because the house and senate couldn't agree on that we passed until two thousand and seventeen the house version which has all the protections for the nation there the senate version kicks i dead in two thousand and seventeen potentially enormous protections for docs and family members but zero for the individual and so you know what's coming to the from the senate is just to get rid of the sunset on the house  n you know so someone who votes against that is just you know is not getting rid of physician assisted suicide well if they're going to try to amend this deal yeah the first amendment on the house on the senate floor and the first one on the house floor also will be to just repeal the you know the original bill you know the bill that was passed and then go from there so it'll be interesting  me that definitely will will have an indication of what the votes going to be yeah invent tomorrow is the piece at the current version of the paid sick time paid sick leave bill which has a new title which i just straight time off and it requires employers to for after a person's work so long form to provide them with three days of time off and this was one of the arguments against it so it was if it went that way and and when they were doing some work on the safe found that that's the majority of businesses now are offering that type of benefit instead of specific things good evening well it's pretty scaled back from the paid sick leave back from what was debated last of employers more so in that if you get to the point of over one hundred employees i think it's ninety nine percent plus offer you offer paid leave or something like that the little small portion there are no particular industries that are really bad about it food service stuff and child care particularly me to the worst places you i mean do you really want somebody who's sick preparing your food don't you know i mean you know it might surprise folks that we have like double the national rate of camp actor infections a particular g i infection that's you know is because of food preparation most of the time we've doubled the national rate for him for or against whom i mean yeah yeah we've actually had this in the statehouse was the sec i don't think so i mean you know heaven post mandatory sick leave paid sick leave that they find at the rate of people taking their kids to doctors for being with their kids sick goes up dramatically it's like twenty seven percent more visits you allow the parents to you know the start of something the kids in school stay home and take the kid to the doctor and you know i mean the thought is that you know if you get people in earlier for significant else's maybe we can reduce the be i think down to right now i do i am i don't know we had seventy four votes for on the floor but they didn't want to take a chance of something being defeated so it's not finally resolved yet but i i think that there's a group of people from the leadership in the chairs of the tax committee chairs of health care talking about alternatives things or paying cash because in one situation they can charge sales tax they have to charge sales tax to one they're not allowed to charge sales tax and that's true candy too and it's very awkward  you know but that's you know that's what i hear they are leaning towards doesn't it doesn't really make good sense to me i think that the i think those things should it would be nice if if we didn't have to follow the those guidelines but you know and then we're poso part of a something called a streamlined sales tax agreement among twenty three states and they have a very funny definition of candy so if i had a regular butterfingers candy bar and a butter figured crisp bar one of them's candy and one of them is not they taste pretty similar but if it has flour in it by this definition this definition that we have to use for sales tax purposes it has flour in it it's not candy so yeah end up with some very you know  expenditures instead of the twenty million you know it was it was i want to say home ninety some million in the governor's original proposal got pared back to fifty two million in the health care committee got pared back to twenty million in ways and means committee and now it's gone to appropriations and rumor has it will be pared back to bore like ten to twelve million there and so i don't know if that bill would even come out  the necessary expenditures could get stuck onto another bill some senate bill that sitting in health care so health care is one of these bills where there is no what we would say real strong support so leadership that majority leadership does not like to bring a bill out if unless you're pretty sure are almost certain that it's going to pass and this this  bill one and that's one of the reason it's getting scaled back is because of people's concern about the high price tag the fifty million dollars that as george mentioned in and scaling up back and then not only not only the amount but how the ways and means committee decided to raise the money for that has has a lot of people concerned also and i think a lot of this comes out of you know when we when they when they develop the the budget in the house appropriations money bill to always start in the house that's that's a rule of the legislature so that's why we always have the money bill started the agreement was to fill this spending gap you know the revenue the revenue is here and the spending from last year would be up here to to do that was was decided to do it three ways one part of it in these numbers i've lost thousands this was a couple weeks ago but there was so much reduction there are so much new revenue and then there are some things that were just moved to other bills yes so this this the have a lot of agreement amongst people about be how the decision came not only on the fat of the there you didn't fill it all by either cutting you know services or expenditures or on the other side from the other and was raising more revenue and so this this was sort of the agree somewhere and you know you have to have a you have to have a number when you're when you're working on the budget and there there was a lot of disappointment amongst a lot of people and when we when we passed the budget there were quite a few amendments for changing for changing either increasing the revenue you're going to raise or the increase of cuts you're going to make things like that so when you have these kind of little pockets you know working against each other you're not really sure what the votes are going to be when you if you bring another bill up so and you know that the one of the ways this affects the health care bill that is now languishing in ways and means is that in the actual budget you know we do some state subsidies for people who are in the exchange buying their health care we do basically we help with their their premium costs above and beyond what the federal government does and the original health care bill there was they want to increase what we do not only in the premium side but also help people with their out of pocket c that in the actual budget that was passed to even the caution that we're already doing is not in the budget so if we don't do something with the health care bill those folks are going to be really hurt because we took out even the car sharing that we've already doing that was one of the ways to you know make the the budget numbers work put that into how the care bill and then some stuff went into the water bill and that that again is one of the problems for the health you know that then comes along the health care bill with you know his coming out of the ways and means committee twenty billion more and people are saying stop you know i mean we're going to hot pot smooth if this had come up mor limiting your itemized deductions and if it actually really did the first piece of it raises about you know half of what what it raises about fourteen fifteen million and take it from you one year give it back to the next year please just that it doesn't really make good sense and that affects you know pretty much everybody who itemize it comes to it but then beyond that putting a total cap on deductions at two and a half times the standard deduction so for a married couple that's thirty one thousand five hundred dollars so the rest of your deductions anything over thirty one thousand five hundred dollars you will be able to dock from your state taxes s what the house did the senate is it is working on the bill now and coming up with curious and interesting thought we'll see what they come out with in the in the end the house of both illuminating the  that we are taking away mortgage deduction or anything else that you might itemize well you're not taking that away i mean you still put it on the thing and then you add it all up and and if it's over the thirty one thousand five hundred if you're filing choice you know you get three duction sort of thirty one thousand five hundred and that's about six percent of taxpayers so it's a higher three hundred thousand plus filers in vermont only about ninety thousand actually itemize to start with and again it's a more higher higher income folks than lower income folks who drive the higher income people totally out of the plan but yeah i don't know i don't i mean the data we hear that a lot but the data says people moving in have more money than people moving out of yeah that we all know people with six broader range of folks now it's we had they had a couple years ago post nine i want to say had kept how much state income or how much of your state have kind of a goofy system right now where there's a threshold so if you're a state is worth more than two point seven five million you start paying tax back to dollar one so if you're you know a dollar below two point seven five no you don't pay anything but have this sudden clip which is this crazy so i think you know the senate has passed a bill it's sitting in the ways in these can be now i think that will have a different take on it but i think that we will probably in the end reduce that that threshold where you start paying but you only pay for what's over the threshold not back to dollar one because that's that that's just it's completely unfair to to have a one dollar more notice than you pay all the way back to the first dollar of the two point seven five billion so we're talking about maybe two point four five million and then for everything over the threshold you pay sixty percent you know you have an unlimited amount you can give to your spouse without incurring that the estate tax different city that's very individual you know very very individual you know so you know anything like that is in the budget process is is subject to significant scrutiny i mean every you know every everything the state spends is you know it's competing in the in the ways of in the appropriations committee for if this is a grant that is going to be just a certain length of time in the whatever it is you know goes away i mean the revenue source and whatever  but if it's the kind of grant that is going to create some kind of a program that is going then it's also looked at about whether the organization that's receiving that wants to put that into their budget so that they'll do that early on to so so look for that now the problem what the big problem usually is is it's not immigrants it's well the find  much the money is and how long it lasts is free and set are thought to be a longer term like a five year one and somewhere around year three it gets cut out and so you have a program that was designed to last five years and it year three you've lost that the funding now and those kind of grants are you have to come into appropriations and make your case for you you know first you go to the park and get in their budget but you have to make your case about whether the state wants to do that funding and it certainly doesn't happen all the time is that it's not a given so yeah there are but there are programs and and you know basically the a big one is transportation you know we get a lot of money from frederick federal government for transportation projects but that is you know that's basically decided every year or every two years how much said it is and so that's why when you have projects the projects you know they have to they have to determine how much funding there are you know and if the project is going to happen in two years or three years or longer growing out a project if you want that to be you know at the top of the relates contrary to the common narrative that state spending is out of control and what this shows is state spending total state spending as a percent of gross state product so do you know compared to how the whole economy doing how is the the the state spending and you know if to hear the common discussion of this you would think that the state spending has gone up  you know that you've seen that char yes the economy is growing but it's not growing very evenly you know i mean this chart of where you know the growth in income based on what your what your income kick out the top five percent so this quintiles this is courthouse apologize this is a top twenty five percent year or news from twenty twenty twenty twenty twenty and these two together are twenty percent so when you consider all the yeah well i mean some you know it depends on you know some to some people think that everybody should pay the same percentage of their income is that is that rational i don't know i mean that's that's certainly one way to look at yeah you know people hate the idea of a flat rate tax because they say it's it's regressive but boy it's to be a feel so tempting feel so tempting if we put a seven percent flat tax rate across everybody we would raise what we're raising now from you know from other income taxes plus two hundred ninety million extra dollars at seven percent across the everybody you know you could significantly reduce sales taxes or ears but that's really where the growth is you know it's in our health care spending spending an awful lot of money and that you know twenty three percent of our our general fund but we also have a health care research project and you know both of those are very you know we're really close to the same amount of expenditures per state health care stuff what's the age group of seniors or what health care says it's all across we're spending you know cigarettes stuff you know we're still spending two hundred thirty three million dollars a year on cigarettes the stuff we're spending a couple hundred million dollars a year and growing rapidly for diabetes and current cardiac disease and almost things that are related to the to obesity you know that's the one that's coming out us really fast  could raise cigarette taxes by a buck and a quarter i'd raise the smoking age to twenty one because i mean that's been done it was done in the town of needham massachusetts because the younger you are the lowered the less nicotine it takes you to get addicted and so and you know the fourteen fifteen year olds get the cigarettes ninety percent of the time it's from an older classmate somebody who's eighteen but able to buy the cigarettes that you know it relates to so much for spending not just health care social services too i mean you know sixty percent of suicides you modest percentage of of depression and there's just there's just so much stuff corrections that there's so much stuff that the adverse childhood experiences of relates to that you know that that to me would be a huge piece of reducing expenditures for health care to me it's it's it's it's remarkable to me that was that was one of the big surprise findings when they started studying this i mean has such profound health care implications you know just to get the big picture  just advertise it that way you know you you know you just say that you are that way you don't sell cigarettes and you don't smoke cigarettes in the states and be hit to target some there would be a small all hit first and then i think we would see it go up as people recognize that what a plus the says ok but so the important thing is assuming we don't do that the important thing is  so i think the most important thing about smoking is is helping people not to start smoking and i use cigarettes as part of smoking even though you know it then but it doesn't really matter you're using it and so as has george mention raising the age to twenty one because it  cuts off a significant population of were younger kids get their smokes from because you don't have twenty one years year olds and in the public schools the high schools and so i would make sure that we take the cigarettes and treat them exactly as tobacco products so that all our rules all our laws that we have worked so hard to do about where you can smoke and where people can expect not to have smoking going on you're not going to have vaporing going on also i would make sure that we have an equivalent tax on the cigarettes so that we don't have this advantage this price advantage to using them and are and one of the things that's really detrimental that after metro's the other way around it encourages kids to start using cigarettes is the fact that that the vapor that you get is flavored and in the latest survey of kids that are using the cigarettes one of the things that has been brought up repeatedly is the fact that people say they just taste good because when you inhale the vapor you have a cherry flavor bubble gum flavor or a zillion other flavors like that but you are also getting nicotine because they all have the team and once you nicotine is is is one of the most addictive drugs that there is and so once you get addicted to nicotine you continue to use things that have nicotine in a and eventual eight you're going to use to i say you're going to use some tobacco products now you may that may not be your main source of it but but you will probably use some sort of tobacco products to get to to get your nicotine so if we can keep people from ever starting to to use tobacco products and and cigarettes i think that that's the the best way to handle it now of course there is that population that is hooked on nicotine and everything and we should continue the programs that we have to help them stop but it's one of those things is that you can't tell people have to want to stop in order to ever to have a work and you know that's one thing that it takes multiple times and stuff but there are some very good programs but when the recession hit a few years ago one of the one of the programs with that got cut somewhat is this is sation program of helping people receive the the tools to stop smoking and yet that was the time when more people wanted to stop smoking because of you know the the costs associated with it so the george mentioned a buck and a quarter tax we have charts that show that when we impose a tax of a dollar or more on a pack of cigarettes that the smoking rate for kids you know through high school drop significantly and that only did it drop it stayed drop it was one of those things where they didn't use it and it's not that it slowly came back up but but it stayed drop when the cigarette tax was raised by a quarter and we did that two years in a row there was absolutely no change in that rate so by raising the cigarette tax by quarter it did produce some revenue but it did nothing absolutely nothing for the health part of of it and so so this year when you know the the the propos the house was a a quarter increase well the quarter increase will will help pay for some of the health care costs in the that in the health care bill but it does nothing to help you know so we started what with this year pared back and vocals you know use a stance to reduce but it's just attack on the what bill was saying you know stop preventing kids from starting is really the long term key and you know indeed in massachusetts they  did pass a new ordinance that you couldn't sell to anybody until they were twenty one and needham has half the smoking rate of the rest of massachusetts it was just it was one little town you know yeah i mean where it's for crying out  and can you go someplace else to buy it massachusetts of course i mean this is the argument that you'll always go over to like the connecticut to buy something when it gets price absolutely if you go over there and people do go over there but to say that people are going to go over there to buy a pack of cigarettes or to buy their soda now i agree that if you go over because there's a large supermarket on the other side of the river it's probably because there isn't one you know on the vermont side obviously you're to buy your you're going to buy your soda over there also in your cigarettes but this idea that you especially if you you drive over there just to to purchase things l just talked about it so your grocery stores are the convenience stores on the connecticut river i mean that's that there are the arguments we hear it's regress more poor people smoke so cafeteria and got so that didn't you know want to know the one that was hardest to get rid of and i'm not sure we ever did was in the teacher's lounge a few weeks ago said saturday paper  mean that's i mean they you know that that's this is that new with publishing the the that's how they got on the list because they were audited and they were behind you know people that are current with their tax so we can't put somebody to prison for not paying the you know so i mean you can have you know judgments against them you know but i think they found some improvements with the with the list and number of people and they've actually found great improvements when they warn people they're about to be put on the list you know those are the ones that it was so typically what i do remember that we we did hire additional tax auditors to go out and the main purpose was in the audit was to make sure that people were collecting taxes on items you know that they were selling in their store and i guess this is been a an ongoing problem of you know a new task gets passed or something or somebody starts a business just as a no there's a tax on a b or c or something like that and so that is what what the auditors are doing because it was estimated that there was a how many million dollars of taxes that were that were being collected and the tax department said you know they can't go out and collect if they don't have anyone to collect it so that that's why the auditors are going out is it is an effort to collect taxes these are and these are not new taxes typically these are you know all taxes and that and that's where what happens a lot of times is that somebody has been in business for quite a while and it's never collected taxes on something and they come in and get audited and now they go back and they see that they haven't collected taxes for you know ten years or so and that's when when the numbers get very large and typically what happens then is if there's some kind of a settlement you know it's not like you're just i mean you're slapped with the with with the bill obviously but you know you go you go through a subtle and it goes through about why why you were collecting it there was something about somebody told me about he owned a tractor dealership i think that's what it was and i have no idea  i forgot all the details was the same thing he had no idea that he had to collect taxes on these and these tractors because he thought he was selling them to a farmer for for agriculture purposes but as it turned out there was only certain kinds of farmers are there or there were tractors that were being used exclusively for farming and so this is where the work where he that i have heard stories about people starting a business and going through you know the  sum per minute processes and then they get to point b and the person said have you talked to so and so you know in this department they knew nothing about it so they have to go over there and have some other kind of perm and this happens a lot of gas and food and food services you know and so i asked the question of the tax commissioner is there you know if you're going to start a restaurant do you have a list of places that you have to go you know and and do and they said yes we do but people typically don't come in and do it and get it and i said why not well was that got pulled out of the senate that was it was quite public when senator sears one of the gun owners organizations got into an argument and blah blah blah but anyway then it was only like a week later that the committee then created a new bill that had three parts to it that was the part that sets the new law for felons cannot have carry weapons that we will people who have mental health problems and are under the care of the part mental health will get put on the national registry so they cannot purchase weapons that there is a way if they are cured if when they're released from the care the part of the mental health that they can petition to get taken off that list because apparently there are some of these lists that you once you get out of it there's no way to get off or virtually impossible and since it's a federal list the federal government did not do that set up any way to get taken off of it left it up to the states to do it and then the third thing was a program that was started in new hampshire to educate gun shop owners to help them identify people who are coming in that may want to use the weapon for for suicide has been quite quite effective over there although how  know this is that something he really count that you that you stop has no cost and it's a really good idea and and why new hampshire agree to give us you know the all the the work they had done all we have to have guns and law enforcement can take it away we do not have that currently and in vermont so every other state has it and so you know the opponents say well the federal government has it this is just redundant  so it to pass the senate fairly date how many twenty days twenty to eight that's right twenty eight there's only two people who are there so it came to the house and we reviewed it and you know it would have been nice if you could have just agreed with everything the senate but you know the house judiciary committee found some little problems with that you know and plus there was a lot obviously a lot of advocates that asked for additions or deletions and things like that and so but there were minimal thought ones of those actually for this kind of a bill so it passed on friday third reading on friday in the house so it's on its way back to the senate they will review the changes the house made and they have the option of agreeing with it at which if they agree with what the house did then that bill passes and goes to the governor they can agree but with a further and it gets sent back to the house then to agree with their amendment and this back and forth can go on or you can disagree and ask for a committee of conference to be formed where there's three senators and three representatives and they hash out the differences and either come to an agreement or don't come to agreement it doesn't always happen that you come to agreement sometimes it's just a stalemate and the bill just dies but usually there's some kind of agreement and that agreement that has to be approved by both bodies and then it gets sent to the senate to the governor the governor was not in favor of the original bill he did not favor background  checks he has said that this is a that his statement about this bill is that he'll have to see what it's like when it comes to his desk but that from what he's heard about it you know it's it's more more grio ball so he opened the door a lot further that he'll agree to it so my prediction this is this is only mine is that he will either sign the bill comes to him or he'll let it become law without a signature so i did not see that he will will veto the bill they're pretty subtle small differences between the house and senate the main one that i remember is that somebody who in the senate side in both sides it's not anybody who is has mental illness is only the subset of people who have been adjudicated in a court to be a danger to themselves or others in the senate be quite an eighteen month waiting period after they were released from care before they could try to get their to their gun back the house did not require any waiting period so that that's you know that's the biggest not all gun owners it's you know some groups you know that represent gun owners and even though i've heard their real name a couple times of those two or three of them but they are very concerned about passing any kind of gun builds for fear that will that it will entice the next one to be passed until eventually you know there are some restrictions on who can who can own guns in violation of the second amendment that's that that's the argument in a nutshell and it's basically ninety nine percent of their argument and so for example when george mentioned that to get to petition the court to be taken off the the mental health list of not being able to purchase guns now if you already had a gun that it doesn't get taken away from us just to purchase a gun the argument was that you know when you when you're release from the department of mental health you know the question is is the the relapse might happen you know are you really cured do you do this do you do that and everything and so that there was a long discussion amongst  you know mental health doctors and everyone about how long this should be and five years was thrown out and zero was thrown out and they came they picked eighteen months sort of in between as sort of a place that people agreed that is probably not a bad idea to wait and what these organizations said that you know if you're put on the list because you have a mental illness when you are told you don't have that mental ill the she should be able to get your rights back to buy guns and so that this was one of those you know that you have a mental illness here is that you are in immediate danger to yourself or somebody you know so so and then there's arguments that you know it's not just petitioning the car whether you need to hire a lawyer to do this and how long it takes and da da da da da you know you should be able to get your rights back immediately instead there is a there is a couple other things that that we did was  instead of having to go through a full court hearing that there could be an agreement between the the state's attorney and the judge to after they reviewed the the the papers that they had no objection and then and then you you didn't have to go through a full court hearing and it mandates there is because courts are very full right now and getting put on the docket is really time consuming and this would not you know go to the top of the list to get time so so we gave we gave the state's attorney so much time to put the an objection to letting them get it back right away so that's a little bit more but you know it's not i don't see that that will be the showstopper but who knows and you know one of the things is every time you bring something up for a vote you know there's an opportunity that you know people change their mind or vote differently or something now in this case the the twenty to eight vote in the senate is fairly secure i would think wanted yes in committee over and over again and we voted yes and yes yes over and over again on the floor that's right in there doing the only time i voted no was when we're taking the eighteen months away i thought that was a good idea but here's here's how i looked at it and specially in setting committee where you you know have to have a smaller group our committee that legislative committee has seven democrats and four republicans the four republicans voted no on every single measure the seven democrats voted yes on every single measure go out to the full floor it was almost the same there were i mean there's one hundred fifty people now but there are also people who represent districts that are very say how do you say this there's a conservative and you know have a lot of sportsmen and big sportsman's club and you know this is a very big thing for them and so you know they went along with their constituents on that on that was just let me give you an example of you know the stacks of no such you get from people saying oppose s one forty one you know that oppose the whole bill and i read the you know i read about four of these and filings it wait a minute are they saying that if i agree to the amendment then they will agree to the whole bill well i knew that wasn't the case but you know that and so we asked them straight out in the committee room if we agreed if we pass this amendment this that mean that you are going to set up here and say that you support the bill and there was a pause and then they went through each section by section and they did support a couple but they there was one that they were neutral on and one that they didn't support and so they couldn't support it and i don't know i think you know your questions what were these folks thinking that there is this on the of religion that  really all about taking away their guns and these folks just firmly believe that that is the absolute goal to just take away their guns and if that means a religion it doesn't bear any reality to it you know that's not what this  was all about and any way shape or form even from the beginning you know it was even the background check piece isn't about taking away somebody's sky it's the make sure that people who shouldn't have guns don't have it and then argument they fear for that and you know people will use the arguments well don't you have to register your automobile and then the answer is but the automobile isn't granted to you in the constitution and guns are so where this is the this is the argument get into so i think this is a you know some people said well this is a good step this is a good first step and everything and those opposed to it may make reference to for example i somebody sent me a note and asked them to call and so i called the guy up first off he was very surprised that i called them call them up so it's like you know i called you up you asked me to call you up you know you sort of wait for them to talk and he did and i said so you have a question about the gun bill i think even put down what it was i just knew that and he said yeah i think i am not in favor of it and i said well could you share with me what part you're not in favor of or or why you're not in favor of it he said well i really don't know what's in it and  heard this story from other people too and i said well let me tell you and i said number one we're not going to allow felons to have guns i said i don't think that felons find them i know but i said i don't it know and thirdly we're going to have a way for gun owners to try and understand if somebody might be suicidal and what to do about it you know it's not just not selling them a gun but you know hopefully finding help for them because that's when they need the help right there and i said that doesn't apply to you know well i still not sure so so we're talking beef when we first got here about estimated adjournment time which nobody ever knows but there's always a pool in the legislature to yes a german list of what it is you know crossed off when we get by it and the guesses are anywhere from early in may to somewhere around the fifteenth the twentieth in that range i mean that's that's the range of other three week range it's typically what it is my guess based on nothing but you can't base this on anything processes and that's where all the all the major work is is still somewhere between the house and the senate and i think i think you're going to see fairly what a broad range of of work that gets done this year i don't i don't see that it's not to be a huge number of bills there's as many as i've seen in the past but i i think you will see quite a few and you know most news groups will give you a rundown of the major builds you know with a with a one paragraph thing and you know that's what the reporters do starting in a couple weeks is to go to the sponsor of the bill or some of the have worked on the bill to get this little brief description to put in now and then at this time two things get tacked on to other bills o three four weeks so you know sometimes things get tacked on you know on the floor once in a while like last year when we have worked on a smoking bill and my bill that had labored around in the transportation committee for years to then to prohibit smoking in cars with children present cuttack done and pass i mean there's there will be a number of years that will be passed it feels like a few everything has been fairly controversial this year though so when that happens really stick on it before we send it back to them so all whole lot happens at the very well there's also the thing about holding on to a senate bill that the senate really wants you to pass and over in the senate there's a house bil to a law fire trucks fire engines to have blue flashing lights on them as well as well as the red ones because what they found this a lot of people didn't show the same respect to the red flashing lights but the blue flashing lights meant that you've got to pay attention and so this is one of those bills that was put in and it just it just sat in transportation for to buy any arms and it was it was put in again this year and this year transportation pulled it off and put it into one of their other bills and we passed it today have you noticed that there's less and less people that are pulling over and how often do you see a fire tour of vehicle coming toward you and you pull over in but what what this one hundred fifteen hundred eleven million dollars is is that you have a bill last year we had a budget you know that paid for certain things at this level and this year the revenues coming in projected to come in less than that so it's not that you have that you have a deficit because we're comparing last year's budget to this year's revenues so what if you going to continue spending at the same level as you did last year you need to raise revenues up you know what we chose to do to balance the budget is to decrease spending and raise threat is they have they are still negotiating about actually laying off some employees but there have been some concessions made between the administration and the union for other some other cost saving measures there still a little bit apart and i would guess that they narrowed that gap in the hope that they will find other ways to do it without without laying them off my