ok good evening folks dustin is today so i have the their pleasure of being your acting chair this evening all the meeting to order staff or commissioners are there any amendments to the agenda mall i just can't approve of how many stories right now that the owner wants to have an formal application or any proposed developed to this he has excelled it was only the applicant came in for a conceptual discussion which is allowed under the regs so you what you want to do is easily capture this but if you want to have that kind of common impact of future development application you want to participate when it actually i mean if it comes in is an  here but that would be a good time to come and hear what some of the other ideas are there and to make your views known to another group of people also if if the african all i'm working on that you've got is that you probably have more experience than at any other public comment ok then what i would ask is anybody who is speaking on behalf of the next you give is to be honest and truthful the best you're bill ok great thank you so next stop number three is the site plan public hearing for richard struble seeking to construct a sixty four hundred square foot multi tenant commercial building including other same prove it's located at project so your quick overview of the project and on the staff report just any areas of the staff report that you have issue with you don't have to go through the whole staff report commissioners any questions of the applicant before we go to staff putting in any way maybe not be necessary but that up to you if we don't have any ability to regulate so in the fire chief is signs off completely if it is sprinkler that's what he says but so what about three says seven d to where dennis is taking issue with the plans need to be updated is that actually is there still some confusion there because that memo was just a couple weeks ago so i believe as the captain said everything that public works was concerned about was actually addressed i put that in there to copy and paste from public works  was picked up but i cannot i think the elevation of the culvert and the drainage and the issue with the hay bales being used as  so i think they just didn't catch that in the new plans any questions the staff before we open the public he is is there room around the other three sides of the building he says the notes in the staff report says we can't even use ground letters or have sufficient standing room on the remaining sides of the structure so with the reinforcing your doing of the slope area you have the ability to provide some room there for fire fighting offer a friendly member for we go to discussion can we just do something under around four zero for just noting that at the at the meeting the applicant and staff both all right any further discussion or hearing none all those in favor i oppose motion carry thank you sir breakdown of different possibilities different range of these and also this possibility of the ordinances ultimately adopted to write in some waivers for various things so keep that stuff in mind as we go through it this is basically if you have mentioned it in the past that we were working on this back when i was sitting in there and see it over there but it's kind of a combination of two things one of them th one of them being that situation that you're all too familiar with when you're reviewing development application subdivisions what have you and become question comes up of there should be a sidewalk along a certain street but who's go for it is the developer required to put it in this the developer required to just provide these men leave it at that for the town to deal with in the future is to build the required to give an easement and also contribute some sort of funds towards future sidewalks another one that projects going on now at the corner of suzy wilson bypass and the search in route to a question there should there be a sidewalk installing for the project should there be an easement put in should there be a sidewalk installed further down the road to connect to that project i think we landed on getting an easement with the sidewalk earth a thief towards a future sidewalk in that area so part of it this whole project is to put the results of his issues just come up with a standardized to every project asked to pay x amount of dollars based on the sidewalk and the second thing this brings in is the town and village bicycle pedestrian plan that was adopted about two and half three years levied as a condition of issuance of his own in the subdivision permit used to cover any portion of the costs and existing a plan capital project that will benefit as attributable to the users of the development or to compensate the municipality for any expense basically that it's calculated based on the existing miles of sidewalks in town and it breaks into who's using a residential users and commercial users with this the theory that all residential users might this gets into the steps for identifying an impact fee and again sort of the nexus in the premise for you how this one came to be identifying facilities and services that are affected by growth identifying specific capital projects to be funded by the in fact the sing a couple of different projections and estimates one of them is population the other one is going to be commercial space in town so this is just some of calculations and projections you know roughly half a percent elation increases what we've been getting  little bit of a mix between what's out there and what to expect in terms of that field my gut is that we're going to keep going up like this will probably be somewhere in between so sort of the average the past ten fourteen hundred new employees in the next ten years the number of employees is tied to commercial space calculator estimate the number of employees based on square footage of commercial marshall space less with that working hundred number comes  d this is looking at the existing level of service that's most talking about the this thing mileage of sidewalk number of users in town residential users present residents and town also the amount of commercial space and you can to keep that level of service as you add population admiral space trying to keep that level of service from declining too much is where the in fact the calculation comes into play if you start to go above that level of service this is just this is just based on the projects and they were identified in the bank and so yeah on the short end if you do five projects it's still a three million dollar cost estimating a twenty percent match from the town which is usually what we have to contribute for federal and state grants so even just five projects is over three million dollars six hundred thousand dollars from the town contribution and that would add about two and a half miles at the high end  looking at fifteen projects or eight point eight million dollars total cost down pitching in one point seven one point eight million in matching cost s this is a list of the top ten projects and i'll go through each of them but the heart of the bike had planned that i've been referencing this gets into formulas there's a different formula for residential in a different  way than there is for commercial space residential is based on the number of bedrooms thinking that's one of the more equitable than just doing a buy homes that can at better calculation just for the residential phase in policy one bedroom approximately one person so doing it by different feeds for a one bedroom studio apartment compared to a four bedroom home just to sort of differentiate that a little bit commercial space is broken down by square footage  thousand square feet of commercial space and i get into a little bit but even that commercial space is broken down further into types of commercial so trying to make sure that a ten thousand square foot warehouse with three employees is not being charged as much or more than the five thousand square foot office space with twenty  employees part of the calculation also went into who is projected to use the sidewalks as the they're built out consultant put together some numbers and basically the funding responsibility to summarize sixty four percent of that funding responsibility will fall on residential users and thirty six percent on the commercial users this gets into you know the impacts of the bedrooms the types of commercial space for commercial broken down into accommodations as you're hotels stuff like that commercial space office those types of uses  makes sense in terms of projects coming in but also you know what's a reasonable fee to tack on to development that as it comes  leslie the way this is calculated there are some credits to make sure people aren't getting taxed twice so every year the town put aside about forty thousand dollars into capital budget for sidewalks and paths to consult and came up with a calculation to get credit for that so house comes on the market and is built as they pay their residential sidewalk impacts even they're also paying property taxes that go towards future sidewalk constructions which a credit against those future taxes that would reduce the the reduce the fee that coverage certain things that we want to encourage from the planning perspective you guys so trying to collect some of that input to bring it back to the select board and figure out how to move forward if we move forward and kind of a look at what the appropriate d v l a should be if there's any waivers a should be considered or written into the ordinance i don't think that was going in the right direction with that i think they're basically trying to figure out a way to raise revenue when i think it's a nickel and dime and also a question says since you're on the on the floor is and reading into their report or this thing on the town water model and it is his here says staff will also require the model whenever pro so i did in areas with the can expect it's as opposed to somebody trying to come in and figure out what the model might be on a certain part of town and just the town center this is factored into everything the town spent twenty thousand dollars to get that water model fee built the fee that would be put on to developers and would be one time fee to recoup some of the cost i think of the two hundred fifty dollars i forget the exact number but two hundred to fifty and then depending  size of the development one time cost to run it which is basically a pass through town doesn't see that it's passed through to the company that has a water model of using it so it's more for the developer so from for them it's a clear cost it's not an engineer with  model right now that tell you gently with all the pressures in the flows on or say in the town center area do we have it now i believe that's what the model is a lot to check and get back to you on it but i'm i'm almost positive that the tomato is what's out there now and you can this and what's here now and we want to put in a ten unit apartment building over here and that's going to plug into that model and everything else is going to do this and you can figure out what the pressure is going to be down the line and the other piece of the hall that i found interesting was that it's cheap really self improving because it uses you data inputs high contesting all the things that happen on a regular basis through public works uses the continually updated itself so it's an additional cost that's going to developer developers and probably getting passed on to tenants and residents and everything else but i'd like to think that the way this is being set up is it's it sets a standard it clarifies what that is like i started off with every single time a consultant but basically said most of the towns in the county are going in the direction of transportation impact fees and you know they're the models that are being considered and adopted elsewhere incorporate the sidewalk component into transportation this breaks it out so that more transparent so you can see where those dollars are going as opposed to or general transportation impact so yes it's additional cost whole counties trying to regulations talk about if you put in a new public road you need to put in a sidewalk or two sidewalks depending on on the extent and traffic of that road that would still be required if as if a development is going in along one of those priorit art with two thousand eight hundred company and everybody within two or sometimes three but often times throughout the years since i've been here the penalty for that is they do an after the fact for good development similar question from economic development commission and it's yeah what are for the fees elsewhere in town they weren't necessarily opposed to this but they did of questions about it never hurts to have you know commission speaking as one even if you're not on the same page but at least have general comments otherwise it sounds to be taking a back and passing it on and have to do so but similar to but whatever works for you so so are some cheap like here will know what i'm seeing is it going to mean yes but if someone came in it was just doing it to a lot you know peeling off a couple lotsof brigham hill and they never had to go to the state they literally they're there permit fees are that's that whole concept of create create that you know make a decision is upheld and put it on everybody in create that theory right inactive surpass right and might that be something that we require public investment what are people willing to spend and on what i might have a better sense recording secretary we start getting into content i think and will feel like a discussion similar the one we had about when we amend minutes as all seven of us here and i don't wan so exactly and you are all things thinking from what i'm hearing i think so i think we need to have yeah we need to have a larger discussion and i think for me you know because i get to sit in this chair in one for me if this goes back to the facebook and other issues we've had in the past i just want to know if these are coming as official changes from the if they're from the select more than we take a certain amount of direction from them but i just want make sure we have a consistent process so that whether said so thank you for sharing so for this round are people ok with sharing correcting typos in terms of name spelling giving commissioner daily the due respect she deserves future so can we entertain their motion for the minutes either individually or together and the week room wall the motion approved september fourteenth in september twenty