special reports there are none next i would be audience comments the period of time in every meeting where any member of the audience can make a comment on any non agenda item sure anyone in the audience would like to speak to and non agenda  to speed up on thompson the road is out of hand the traffic flow and the aggressiveness of the drivers out of hand they're using it as a cut through pure and clean friday morning township i guess contractor school district contracts dollar children around run for matthews if you look at the top box there on the  they can tell you where it is what time it is and what speed it is that the bus at the top of the hill that i can call the school district about when it made the turn at the top of the hill from the smack on the tops and bill was going six point three miles per hour as it passed four fifty five thompson bill which is a moment right across the street from our house to the telemetry showed that bus going to thirty two miles an hour the twenty five zone through the turn down to the bottom hill thirty three miles an hour this is just a sample of what we see the cars are going faster than your school buses and it's just it's just to cut through we need help they bear down on us of trying to get in and out of our driveways they bear down on our children trying to get on and off of the school busses they bear down on is trying to get to the mailboxes we need some type of a mechanism to bring back the texture of thompson to road is a neighborhood drive up or st clair had same problem with paige road and i know we had our issue with age road as well we put the temporary homes now for the winter they're gone but on the st clair side they record more stop signs at the intersections to put shorter runs and i think we need to take a long hard serious look at doing that as well and thom my recommendations would be the intersection at park would there's a minimum of three bus stops there every morning and every evening i would say another recommendation would be at hoover a lot of your traffic that's doing the cut through is coming from east mcmurray to go through hoover and get back over to valid broker into that plant and there's also a large flow of traffic coming up times until the might the right in the hoover i talked to two residents that live at home grove over the speed bumps and if you send this file over to you you can pass along you can see alone where the bus was flying that's where the cars fly and like explain i said it was a bus the cars are going much faster and i saw a car too not too long ago i was coming talks and bill and that car actually took two wheels outside of the speed bomb so if they could maintain a faster i think that if we if we break up the sections of the road a little bit more with the stop signs especially on the curve at parkwood there's neighbors right there on that corner this is proof they're seeing cars thirty five miles an hour coming around a turn trying to get out of driveways i've been out in the street to stop cars going through the red zone school bus and we had two instances of people going through the reds and it's been pushed on to jimmy ellis and those people were prosecuted we don't need a trial down or getting hit we don't need one of our community members getting run over that's that's going to  you thank you very much new business first item would be a final plot of the whispering pines face to plant envelopment plant for ted taylor builders or drawings by t v e scheffler dated revised december second two thousand and the planning commission at the last meeting i represent several residents of the woodlands development of water a concern about several things here but specifically concerned about the connection or potential connection of barry lane into their residential area  for the same safety reasons that you would expect for traffic at two reasons and for the fact that properties they bought were purchased on the shore so it would not be a connection that road they're very concerned about things like for example you use the phrase and we just sort of we do retain a right of way case in the future we want to connect a road that you can i think you can understand of the red flags that raises in the residents of the woodlands area by the same token the letters i think pretty straightforward it basically says that what we're asking is is for a final way to resolve this so that there's not this temporary language and right away retain the possibility of a future road these residents  change since my letter is that the homeowner's association president which i commented she had said that she apparently expressed her willingness for her acceptance of the idea very then connecting she's she's changed her position in her  newsletter she says that she's you know she's her phrasing is that she stopped the connection as well for accomplishments is it to a president in any event the homeowner's association is clearly against the connection of the residents don't believe that it woodlands residents before the last planning commission meeting said it would not connect might my reading of that i want to be legal let's talk about it my commonsense reading that is that everybody agrees we were all saying it will not connect this council has voted that it will  connect in exchange for the setbacks that mr the developer has let's let's finish this office make it so that it will not connect and i would ask you to to either not approve it or not approve it without some condition that makes it clear everyone knows that that was never an intention for a connection the attention was temporal like to the culdesac my understanding was the houses were built too close together in fact peters was way and one of the reasons that that was so critical was because in this section here there was supposed to be a connection between timberlake and woodman's and and and similar to yours that make people aware that there are some are not permanent situations that's why we but there was enough room to do that time timing of that sort had nothing to do and there was never an i think part of the argument that the residents have is that there was no sign when the lights were being built up there that space was a temporary cul de sac as we do the right instead of them when we you know realised that this was creating potential problems we went i mean this is the say that this issue came out of something that mrs merrill raised a long time ago in that was highlighted in bed and i kidded broker one of those places where we first addressed it where people were coming in saying well the builder told us x y and z and even though x y and z would was not on the plane actually the opposite of x y and z was on the plan that posed a problem and as a result of that we decided that we were going to make it more going objective of the developer and actually the real estate people ways to sell the house oh yeah they're going to say whatever is it gets and exactly and i don't mean that to be critical in any way but it's been proven based on different things right sometimes the full information isn't there but i think that's one of the sure and says or what people are relying on and just in sort of again in summary really what happened is these residents in hearing it will not happen it will not happen it's not going to happen but also keep hearing it's temporary it might happen there's been and it's coming to my letter sometimes where somebody called in and some would say oh it's going through you know i don't know there's legally binding mean forever it just means that we're giving  the facts that you gave on the condition of no road of a permanent or temporary so when we're in time to build a house thirty five or so when you put the roof through does he have to move the setback fifteen feet more to make it that we've we keep hearing we might connect in the future we're retaining the right of way but it is as he says very clearly nobody's going to move the houses back to fifty percent back it was it was the product of the discussion know who knows twenty years from now or thirty years from now what might be necessary in the township develops out of office so you know i think it's very unusual to leave the right of way there it's not you know there's no connection there's doesn't never mean never but that's true of every inch of ground in the bronx that's also not saying that this is some different from the rest of the township are saying that the car status is such that the woodlands residents are alarmed at the probability of it being a connection when repeatedly including a vote of this council they've they've come spoken up and they believe been told that it won't happen if there are stages between pointlessly saying it'll never happen when we all know it's possible  twenty one thousand residents that we do not have our roads connecting one place to the and that's a significant part of what this consideration is about and i think that's a very valid point and in fact that's exactly what wouldn't residents are concerned about that if you connect these roads people will be cutting through the twenty one thousand people don't live back there if they're going to be driving through then we definitely don't want to rush to connect the drivers in peter's are going to be significantly different from the drivers in other communities where when there are connections through communities and you can cut off a busy road or avoid a light people drive through the communities and went through specially not everybody because we're not already  we have a number of these things and i with the right of ways still intact and i call it saxon barriers and i have yet to see one that actually has been opened  wouldn't it's a it's a circular plan so they can just go along the school district position long you but the bus is still moving in one direction doesn't have to turn around on back tires oh now we have opened up some of th roads up that way com well that's true that's right there was one in lake county that was a that did connect up between lake kong in terms relate yes forgot about that and i mean we understand that that can happen and we understand just use the existing right of way if you keep the right to break and that's why i'm saying there's room between someone capable promise that it will never be a road and keeping it as a right of way that's explicitly reserved as a possible road and that's what we're asking for is movement towards assuring the interconnect use is use is real and and if i didn't you know for because i felt for him but that what you're asking for now there is no way i'm going to agree to ok there's a competing value of private residential streets to have what they want like well what i mean is you don't house down it's not it's not connecting your dangling we're almost like hostages because you keep on saying twenty years what would prevent you from putting that road through next year say the school board says we need those buses to go through what happens next year and what i had to say was there is no connection going through there with our i've heard through feeder township government that that road was going through so  obviously to be disagreement about it no i appreciate that but i mean that's the way it is what it boils down to is you know are we willing to to make it so that it can never connect even though never means never doesn't necessarily you never but i mean i don't think on on this board that that that's going to fly i can count votes i understand that but i think one of the other points that they believe was a result of this peter start to government's decision was granting the thirty five foot the developer in exchange for the root dot connecting that's certainly the strong pressure that was created in all the woodlands residents i've spoken with and he we made the point that one of those is to referred to for the same reason that you are going yourselves brought up the with construction going on it's very difficult to make a left turn around  communicated to the purchasers of the lots when they buy because theoretically i wouldn't expect planning resounding to approve of for variance if we've already been fifteen feet deep communicate anything like that to the asking i'm presuming there is a plot plan i'm presuming there's a survey is there anything that states a variance was granted there's no further variances on these properties if you're planning a porch plan it now  show a hardship based on the physical conditions because that's why the thirty five would step backwards within here so if somebody came in afterwards and asked to go in front of that said i'm not sure where grounds no more it's much easier to plan when you know that's on ask those conditions listed in the bill dated december ninth and in my next manager's report to you he left out two conditions that need to be at the council decides to prove it they've got the wrong proper for us to work good just at this time i think we should make sure we have multiple validators and what we were looking to do is go in and revise the specs to make sure that everybody has an opportunity i think everybody did have an and i would argue we got four bids just because they didn't follow the directions and the specs which is also an alarm to me that they can't follow up it's back to the express observation that our revenues are behind our expenditures by about two million dollars based on what we're projecting that usually typically would the budget looks is in the warmer case which the appeal is being made to common wealth council because at the last time we dealt with this council agreed to a settlement offer on this one that was his individuals i spoke to some of the cd and i'm not sure they got all the information whether he had an opportunity to speak with them since that conversation i don't know but you know we're faced with two things here one we don't need to get into j contingent on him not doing that if they open the gate while he discusses the issue with the rest of us and that if the discussion is not concluded by our first do that so we're trying to resolve the issue in order to do that we would like to have it open so we don't have any further problems we're obligated to do that but the safety standpoint and you know if you if you will open the gate we will discuss a cakes last meeting we'll have somebody do coming in in january and mike for you i know you want to stay a few words but i wanted to  mccabe had the unique experience from past service on this council to provide immediate contribution and where as he was willing to fight to fill the position and bring his expertise to the benefit of the community now a most enjoyable time although for this five months i just wanted to say also that you know in my business i work with a lot of local governments  and i just want to reiterate that the counsel in the administration and the staff that we have here peters township i think sometimes we we think that it's like this everywhere but it's not this this is a very different next month is is very different than many others and and just a top shelf and i want everybody to know that and