green parents have done despite protestations that they've done all he can to ensure that the natural father this relationship with the children this is just the easy stuff that they took to interfere with that relationship  in early two thousand and twelve with regard to the depression the emotional breakdown that was an allegation that was made there's no testimony to support that in the record there then after that he would see them for six months until the next evidentiary hearing and a lot of emphasis is put on the temporary guardianship petition in opposing counsel's argument and and throughout that case law do not proceed to a hearing on the merits but does that mean to jump to best interest that loses the constitutional protection for the parent right here just comparing who's better if you can't do that you've got to get over the stand the hurdle that's the protection and balancing the protection for the parent is the protection for the mind which the court has inher for and he had seen the children one time since may of two thousand twelve and that was i know everybody was at that partly because britney was this strange from her father or her our position was we're not trying to get around standing we're not trying to show the best interest of these kids or discount walking down the highway after a terrible accident and picked up from the emergency room going to have to make sure somebody can speak for him you do not need possession to file for guardianship you know the because a lot of accusations could be made but that could the testimony has been consistent that before they don't want to texas they just want to know somebody could speak for noticed after three days on from the testimony in the morning two thousand sixteen thousand four days of testimony in june of two thousand and seventeen i cannot with any confidence tell you where i believe he lived and the carol that she had spoken with jared and so presumably she would know how to get in touch with him yes i believe the testimony was immediately sent out made her take a break can i ask you one more question related to that to see dispute carol that jared said he wanted to come out and get the children and she said something to the fact will be about that i don't think so or something along that there has been a couple different versions of a conversation that lasted approximately five minutes and then they were a lot was happening and carol's testimony was something about the tension i want the boys to be with me they need their dad and last month we're going to have to talk about it and you know just she just said i was scrambled you know people were all over my house and we've been up since four and i'm canceling their court date i'm going to get my own nineteen days after the mother died not there are many from and you know the records description of the father's reaction in approaching this  but not for the children and the testimony he testified himself he was never denied a request for visitation never not to his attorney not to his mother who usually had difficult to get through because there is so many accusations but keeping all of that in mind i think the jurors testimony that he had no reason to speak to his opponents and litigation this is this is visitation the records accurately cited it's ninety two but his effort was to ask the kids who are five and six months for call because he would talk to the grandparents and really they was separate the evidence was separate from the best interest here the court counsel involved cautious in aware of those rules you can model those things because it's impossible to differentiate and so he  important also i'm with regard to how the going was treated him my clients treated him his father testified at the second hearing and because he was welcomed into their home first time they ever met him the kids were happy to see him play and seen him for years and years since injured for three years before he came to testify on his behalf and they were welcoming so welcoming him he felt immediately comfortable they felt comfortable testimony from his mother his father testified that he had to chastise his son for his behavior i did not raise you to treat people like that just based on the limited observation he saw with them and so the cooperation there and that's  difficult but it but it's not only it's not that the goal here was to keep jared away that it's never been the goal and i think that it's clear through the testimony is there some protective of these children's feelings and they don't pay attention when their dad doesn't call even though sometimes it is a call for five six weeks they don't do that they want to feel loved and every time he comes he testified those kids are happy to see him they're excited to see him now in part that is due to the corporation that my clients do to encourage and foster that relationship they don't want them to suffer any more loss they told your stay at their house sometimes you know it's time with the kids even though it might help break the ice and oh by the way no one knows he has his own place so this is  fifteen there was a party she wanted this attention she noticed it up for hearing it's not carol refused to let them go to california and i know refused if you look at the documentary and see ten eleven there was an agreement r is i don't believe so which is why it's not court approval before entering into that order but yes that was a demand repeatedly made by mr kerik yes yes he wasn't going course handed down by the illinois supreme court and even the final case as possessed of the need power the resources to accomplish the objective rather than something akin to intelligence knowledge justify saying that they have not they are not willing and able to make and carry out the day to day care decisions and i think that's important in this particular case because in really our ls lays out the standard that mr cook was able wage up until april two thousand and sixteen when he got into car sales and for the first time he was able to get a little more the lead weight so have some money to be able to make the trip from california bacteria  the details of what makes an opaque parent versus a good versus a great parent because of its own group parents that we're going to say only great concert are able to willing and able to keep making carry on the day to day care decisions i think that sets the bar far too high in order to justify allowing non parent to have guardianship as opposed to a peer into custody and i think that's exactly what needs to focus on here is expected in conjunction with