it's just after seven we're getting it started welcome to the may twentieth twenty thirteen richmond select board meeting where a small board i guess will start off with some public comment today at this point fifteen years i've served and the recreation committee the recreation path committee and i'm currently on the richmond economic development committee and i do see some opportunities in planning and because there was a said i know certainly and asked obviously commitment it's it's two times a month for a number of hours and if you've served on it before you know what it what it was like so knowing what it is going to be like i hope that you're aware of it and you're we're looking at the all time plan in my real interest has been the village center and the opportunity for economic development in the village and that part of the plan i am more familiar with  floodplain overlay and i should say the overlay the floodplain zoning ordinance and and you know i have a real interest in making the town plan useful so that it's not overwhelming to the participants who are using that town plant well at the same time expressing what the needs are so if ever the town plan is challenged in court that it has enough information is moving forward i think that i can't fault the planning commission because they work so fairy hard on that but i do think that the plan itself was thick overwhelming and a lot that interpretation of that executive summary per se would have been useful more time for public input conversation i think having that dialogue before hand which you know it's always hard to do to get people to come out to public hearings and really participate nevertheless unless that that public input really has time and people have an opportunity to fat and ra that i think i was on the planning commission before when there was a real diversity on the board diversity of views and i watched with great respect as midge chaired that that  planning commission and the quality that i would bring was actually example from the commission i served on that was respect a respectful dialogue and really listening to views that may not be immediately embraced by different members and out of that discussion that diversity i find there's a better conclusion and a more an understanding of what the needs are right and people so the quality that i would bring is listening and respectful dialogue you have any questions for no i do travel a lot and wednesday is my block of time when i am always here have a family commitment wednesday from two to four so i just thought i'd throw that in and i think they had agreed with mark fossils ideas that we keep it or five members for now and after new members get acclimated the membership will be expanded and moving forward ordinances for first reading and this is an amended traffic ordinance to provide no parking on railroad street something due to the volume of complaints about parking on railroad street we never stablished a no parking zone and we took over the street three years ago so this establishes no parking on either side of town highway sixty four which is railroad street the entire length the second part of this is we do not have a parking ticket appeal procedure right now i've put in a draft procedure which cation of parking tickets parking tickets are not handled by the judicial bureau they have to be handled locally right now we don't have anything set up to do that i've put in the chief of police  shall review the submission and conduct be the one that hears the appeal and actually makes a decision boies chief expressed some concern to me that what he writes a parking ticket who he'll hear that appeal so maybe the boise is not the best person to have to hear the appeals you could say the town manager or designee or particularly want to do it but it might be somebody that wants to do it it could be either the police chief in some cases or for somebody else in other cases as long as it's clear in writing who's going to be hearing the appeal so  we could make that change and there is some other information that came to me today that the group of residents and the judge will state's area in the lower west white hill area we're going to on the side of the road and you know going on to private property walking under private property leaving trash and that sort of thing that we want some help there i haven't had a chance to research that i would like to publish is a few ordinances as possible which would mean pushing this introduction off until june third which i know is not to make a lot of people happy but otherwise we'll come back with another amendment on june third we'll publish to word that ordinance two thousand and thirteen zero one ordinance amending the traffic ordinance of the town of richmond to hit private parking on railroad street select or the town of richmond here by our danes that the town of richmond traffic ordinance entire link in or had to section ten adjudication of parking tickets in a procedure parking tickets are not handled through the jewish the judicial bureau per state law peels of parking tickets are handled by the town of richmond within fifteen days after the issuance of a parking violation the defendant must submit to the town clerk a written request for an appeal closing including reasons for the appeal and then we have a section that currently says the chief of the richmond police department shall review the submission and conduct of any invest in any other investigation needed such as speaking with the officer who issued the violation the defendant and shop term and whether the violation will be upheld or dismissed written records of decisions shall be kept by the town clerk appeal shall be heard to sergeant within fifteen days of the receipt of the written notice to the town and or defendant does not challenge the parking violation within fifteen days of issuance defendant's procedural remedy shall be deemed checking to see whether trucks were making deliveries you kno y ask him if he could put some sort of elaborate on this story that suggested you know being respectful to the neighbors a little across the street and not leave their cars cycling in their driveways it is something that would let people know that this was a neighborhood and that they had to be considerate of the people that lived there and he did i don't think he thought it was really an issue but i think you're right that maybe something in the s hell i guess i remember and i could be totally off this first because we're talking about adding reverend street as separate called out street that i thought that there was no parking on any side treat side street at any time i railroad street is there any reason why you couldn't paint i don't know if it already exists i mean i haven't noticed it but the solid white line along these folks get there and so is that  horsemen tool possibly for you to utilize because i knew bruce was concerned about the language of saying on both sides so if they're on private property say the you all to define what they have the right to do because they if you're not going to do anything if it's travelling on line they need to know that and that's my point with this is everybody knows what their job is to very specific about what the town was schooling to do if a property if a car was straddling that white line what you were going to do and then they could know what they would do after that but if the challenge is any part of their cars move forward with either to finding a way adding westway hell but in the meantime i mean it's annoying to me and i don't even live there when i drive by and see someone parked on the road so i think it needs to very clear to the police officer to you jeff or the police chief to you jeff that he needs to take action and his troops his officers need to take action you know this is been this kind of conversation has happened for a few months now where we call the police and they don't do anything well i mean i know it's hard to catch people parking because you have richmond the entire richmond area to patrol but at some point stake it out or something i don't know but one big ticket for parking in the right that's a three hundred fifty dollar ticket now is twenty five dollars a ticket and you can't get out of it you've got to get your car right i mean burlington does that burlington muckle your bear i mean any big city will say no parking strictly enforced will period i mean i know we're a small community but i mean this is this is creating a traffic issue i mean it's not just on railroad street we see it up on to where we maybe they're seeing you know what's right help i sometimes see it in my little neighborhood where i'm like man you're half way on the but you have the white line and then you have the angular white stripes like where you're not supposed to park if it's a walk away or something like that i'm not sure if after the white line you have any more pavement there to make it appear mor don't park i don't know i'm just trying to toss out some ideas that might help but that the parking lot should help a lot to just so you think we can do more for us now all right i can talk to the chief by putting some duties as well and you know kind of the conflict of interest if the cheap box issues a ticket should be they wanted you to catering and we should utilize other well that's what i was just going to say i was missing a justice of the peace like this that's your job or the town constable i mean that's to me i think it's i feel like that would be that i know but it that's why we have other people who are in elected positions  things i think it's important for i do think that's very important you guys look at that at the same time because if you want the police officers to enforce something and they have to college so company that they have the ability to collect what's due them but also the issue while you're looking at it i abandoned vehicles versus somebody just parked there i think those two things to tell we need to be addressed right i spoke with mr gates afternoon sort of talked about the fact that you know it's hard to get a lot of people alone tearfulness he hasn't thoughts on how we like to proceed with it so like to give a little more time to see if anyone else would step forward or we could spark some interest you know that last meeting we had discussed moving it down to three we had to bring it down to three kind of it like we've been talking about this for over a year like let's just get a policy in place it's not always going to be perfect the first time for a moment where we need to make adjustments will learn if we need to take a deposit very quickly  you know and based on the feedback we got from some of the folks who came in to to speak is and some of the neighbors that you know trash is not typically a problem so you know i think settings of a procedure to put a deposit down and i think we just need to do it we just need to get it and get it  under the applicant's information because that is the predominant  address and phone number of each on site supervisor and then on the second page of that we ask another time for the names and contact info for those in charge so maybe just go to that second  and take out the first one a further discussion before the water one gets to mean system so the state says the flooring doesn't have enough time to properly disinfect the work it's the first service so the ready to do that is to make more time making the path to the system longer by installing additional piping so essentially the piping is going to zigzag but it will install new wind which gives a longer time to which gives out twenty year loans for these projects the proper the they're preserving two hundred fourteen thousand dollars i think her latest estimate was one hundred ninety two thousand dollars you're saying we qualify for this money not they're going to do this project when they're going to do the project but if a vote on a bond vote was held it's possible that everybody in richmond would be allowed to vote on bond issues coincidentally they were moving forward with trying to explore an off site water tank for replacement the current water tank and if we came to an agreement with the number of homeowners that we've been speaking with and we wish need to make sure that i very cleanly break my role in the loan program and my love of my role here i've already had conversations of my lawyer about how we can make sure that we're not playing favorites to richmond  so on an annual basis the the state asks for applications to access this money we get fifteen twelve fifteen million dollars every year to loan up to water systems and there are different funding year just so right now this is money out of the twenty ten or twenty and i think part of money twenty eleven part of money we have we applied every we've applied every year for a number of different projects because it works on priority ranking but most public health risk projects get funded first and then on down the line if nobody's ready to go goes to the next person that's how we got the notification that we would be eligible for this money so eligibility for the money does not compel you to require you to take the money that just says hey we have this money available if you want it you need to do x y and c and x y and z is just said as we need to the big one is poss now if we say we're not going to take this money this year there's a possibility that we will get it next year so and just because we don't get the state money doesn't mean we can't do the project because we still have the ability to b it's just the state money is at a slightly lower at a slightly lower interest rate now i know that i don't want to go for a bond vote until there is system and i would not feel right about going to the voters for a bond and say we'll figure out how we're going to pay for it later that's not it's not appropriate and we've heard from the users that that's not how they want to do it either right then i'd rather just to do the all the projects that we need to do all the little ones because the current context is going to come up as a deficiency for from the state at some point in the near future if it because it hasn't already done and it's a ye we can get into the project so we're not we're not asking for bondra because we we haven't figured anything else out so so this is mostly just go i have no idea which you know is all meeting i mean certainly certainly the increase that was approved doesn't include any future work and we recognize that future work is needed and we're garbus of whether there is town sharing it does mean that  will continue to go up and we we know that i mean just just for general principle you know i mean but hopefully it won't go up as as much  i'm not planning to do another like a it's been ten years since an increase so here is one hundred percent not at all the idea would be that we would know how much the project's going to cost who's going to pay for blood know when construction is going to start so that we could predict when loan payments would start so that we could have a predictable increase between now and then on when the final ok it's so much it's going to cost less this is this is what it means for everybody in four years we start paying for it the reality is we're probably at least fires out thinking about four and at that point we're going to have paid off some of our other debt so that there is some room in the budget for some of that other stuff and will have put away money a like to go on record making requests of the slug work to not college town sharing but let's call it what it would be a town wide water and sewer tax which means town  we will help pay for water and sewer for the village users that's a big controversial issue that this like board will have to face dealing with the for the property tax payers are the voters in this town i'm not which if i have to do any maintenance to my well or i have to do any correlation work ph bouncin or hard water taking care of any of those issues i have to pay for out of my own budget if my well goes dry and i have to drill a t thousand dollar well i have to pay for that or my own budget as well so moving forward i would hope that you would make plenty of time in your planning process before springing this on anybody in this community we have had a water system and a sewer six system in existence for a number of years the fact that we have to go to both to help do bar voting to make sure that if the water and sewer voters are unable to pay their bills we have to parent a town that's like cosigning a loan and i understand that but in this town doesn't want to make any changes to their water and sewer systems but only wants to increase their quality of their system based on upgrades that's the decisions for the water and actually look at me like you're you don't understand my point is you don't want to expand your water sewer users you don't want to increase and put more on then you have to shoulder the burden with just the users that exist you don't have to dip into my pocketbook and so that's a huge issue that you all need to address maintaining debt and there are roads in this community that half of us don't drive so i think sharing the burden of maintaining a quality water and wastewater system that protects public health and public investment is worth having a conversation had last thursday that every member that attended that meeting said we need we need to have a different way of dealing with this so so let's come up with plans for i gave the police department based on conversations we had two years ago actually with overnight coverage how what would it take to improve  police vehicle oh they're expected to be able to respond to emergency overnight between eleven and seven although that that hours of shifted recently it meant that the officer was tied to one place couldn't drink alcohol couldn't go out and do you recreation activities had to be socially waiting for a call there was placed on a was it's listed as a burden for the police officers and some of the prior officers had mentioned that that was one of things they didn't like about the work environment in richmond so we suggested maybe we could explore some alternatives to that chief bock has provided to me a response to that and again we're not asking the select corps to do anything this evening this is merely a report for you  the chiefs explore to mull turn it on paper and i think it's good for us to understand what some of the options are what some of the implications might be right we had i didn't attach the schedule to this but chief essentially outlines how things work one hour one one schedules a ten hour shift that we have now the other is a twelve hour shift that would require additional officers that ten hour shift right now we managed to meet most of the time but he with the twelve hour shift next year officers he could meet a full twenty four seven schedule and he talks about the advantages eliminates the need for on call reduces over time but it would not reduce all over time that although still only allowed for one person per shift  the exception would be when the chief is on duty plus you have the expense of three additional officers which would you know essentially add another hundred fifty thousand dollars to the police  budget and then you have other drawbacks such as police equipment you have to buy probably an additional cruiser but right now we're sort of making by what this doesn't explore is the possibility of having emergency coverage through willesden overnight which they provide for themselves although we haven't explored that and we thought it two years ago that might be a viable option if it meant getting rid of shoot police cruisers quite a bit of the expense right now we seem to handle it fine but you do have that sort of complaint hanging out there that somebody is given for  price and we have developed that whether that would trigger will still needing to rearrange their ship to have any additional officers on you know we don't have a heavy overnight call and the state police do provide some sort of you know emergency response also but and whether or not we'd still have to have somebody on paul to be able to back up the rest of us is another of the answered question but but those are some of the issues that we have to continue to explore and i think it's like we're used to be aware of what chief is up against who goes through scheduling and we should also be aware that when one officer sure if anybody is using private security for perceptually emergency coverage is what we're talking about that would be a larger discussion generally about how people open ended since we hired chief bock and we wanted to try to get some movement on explaining and generally should be aware that there are challenges to how we provide police coverage fifteen years and there are a number of ways we've tried to address that we've built into the police question a little bit more pay so we can give a little boost a dollar boost to people this  everybody else has to work more to try to cover that and we should have an understanding appreciation of what it's like to try to manage that any discussion yeah there were i feel like there was a bunch of u on i know i need to figure out where they were i read them quickly and so i see on page two line six just to take now it's at the end of the sentence and he said yeah i think that that that those are just that she's doing ok a couple of months ago fema came back and said we want you to amend your application corporator the answers you've been providing into the application proper try to i guess you know answer them in the application not leave them leave the answers as tendencies or letters carol bellamy and i did that we resubmitted the amended application of the mccain back and said they wanted the state to hold a meeting with the preservation trust to explore alternatives that preservation trust felt were available you know we helped that meeting last week i have a write up of about re dorothy or the statesman geisha officer is going to send me correspondence as a follow up to that meeting explaining what the state's going to done and also explain what the happen the family would prepare a contract for the state to state the parasite green tea agreement for us we'd have to ensure that a grand agreement if we did that then we would proceed to a purchase and sale agreement could concluding that we'd go out to bid for the demolition of the property that's how it would be resolved that's all dependent on female proof yeah cation that's it in a nutshell you know this should conclude the application process this point that we'll just wait for a female to tell us what to do next week and at this point there's nothing we can do to to move it along as that and see what was true i guess maybe just for the benefit of the public what was the purpose of the meeting last week was it to when you tell us what the purpose of the meeting was right was that the purpose was to explore alternatives to demolition and these alternatives were primarily alternatives that the preservation trust had identified as well as sort of going through a a process to examine alternatives in females process mitigation alternatives so we explored both fame as alternatives which happened to be  position a demolition elevation relocation or as a term of a do nothing as far as mitigation is concerned do nothing option would mean you explore options outside of the mitigation program and cousins provided options outside of the mitigation program to be explored so we went through a process where we wrote everything on the flip charts we talked about them we explored them some of these the applican the one possibility might to tap might be to tap into additional funds to rehabilitate the house in the current location using either insurance ones community development block grant through the world head with the help of gap when she could get in touch with her disaster recovery persons in maricopa who was also at the meeting as possibility of a private individual purchase there is also  the possibility that the town could purchase the property under the hazard mitigation demolition acquisition acquisition in demolition grant but somebody could the end of it there were there was a lot of scutcheon and certainly you know a lot of emotional discussion about how people felt about certain things and the bottom line was you know if if it meant the buyers the sellers means the seller would be in are willing to entertain that doesn't mean that that's holding anything up that's if somebody comes forward with a real concrete offer such as this you know i've got money i will buy that but it's a possibility but as it stands here the the biopsies seem to be the most realistic and then is there anything the town should be about proceeding individually select board might just have their heads that there is going to be a purchase and sale agreement we're going to have to go through socially real estate  close the deal and that that would involve i think the most decision making following that if that was concluded successfully the bids for the demolition news pretty perfunctory you know it'll be done they don't call it purchase a sales agreement they call obamacare a transaction agreement so that that document is all of the documents are pretty cookie cutter the negotiation process is not too difficult to go through because it's a pretty cookie cutter form of this is what we're buying this is why we're buying it and here's your dangerous directions to have to go into the deed it's it's called a request for funding that you do ahead of time prior to the closing you have the funds released to you for closing for the acquisition or closing costs and any other expenses that you are to have in boyce's for going on so coordinating with jeff we can really get ahead of things and have the requests for funding so the funds are coming from the federal government and it's actually the federal government government funds are released through this day so this you get your seventy five percent through the state and you get the twenty five percent through two rivers planning commission who distributes the twenty five percent state matching money because they can't give out their own money they've got to go through different somebody else you've got to manage their books i guess it's how you say so you can do requests for planning ahead of time have the funds out front and not take any money out of pocket including with the demolition side of things so there's at no point that's one hundred two percent funded so you can take back and her two percent of the  total grant funding to take and help pay for just time energy and effort in this whole process so that's the good news we're trying to be open as possible there will be contracts that are telling this to sign in order to accept your word if there is no word as far as the real estate transactions likely to be conducted  executive session if anybody has any personal thoughts there's always public comment at the beginning of meetings where public could express their their are the states set up this meeting for it to be the final input and you know after that meeting we're not going to consider any more you know park bench that is already on realistic you know ideas i don't  know what the state's going to allow in the future the purpose of this meeting is that was laid out was to explore these alternatives raid already made it clear that the state and ship session has never been heard of for work ok so do i think preservation trust is going to continue to participate based on their history of not ever having something like this happen before i don't of the town engineer about the parking lot and he had made some adjustments and the next step is people contacting me denise kind heidi contacted a bunch of the neighbors to set up a meeting on wednesday evening to at the parking lot to and i think maybe they kind of canvass the street so to continue to kind of find to the parking lot design and check in the neighbors on that and yeah water rates and how the committee can be helpful how far into the process we are what's already been done and figuring out some options for what can happen next do we want to make a bold statements on cleanup options there's yeah i don't know i mean it sounds you know from the meeting that haiti was out you know people are just saying it could be five to ten years for that cleanup to happen and that to see what's likely to so right what have you got well i would still i don't want to lead the charge but it seems that over the past four or five months the cleanup costs have gone from three hundred to four hundred five hundred thousand dollars we don't have any real hard estimates we've sort of had some friendly discussions with others that have been interested in the problem centrally the  just seems like at this point that we the community needs to invest in that piece of property for the economic development of the community like that i mean it's clear that a private investor is not going to like you said sit on it for however long they need to raise the private funds or i think i think we need a community conversation about about what that means to this community you know i mean outside of the water and sewer people what it needs the water and sewer but what it means to the community it means downtown you know red it means living in units it means bringing more people here means more commercial means senior center it means  what what does this commune what does it mean to this community and just like just like deeper street was a community effort began to feel like maybe we just need to bite the bullet and say what does it mean to you oh yeah their cleanup and i feel like you know this is like the taxes you send for the first somebody to come in and there's plenty of other communities across the state in the country that that say hey we will do this for you if you come here i think that that's it i think we need to stop just saying we're the sleepy little community and we don't want you know we need we need to do something about it keep talking about it it's never going to happen we're going to be here in ten years really good the criminal person would be great to develop well let's do comes with all sorts of strings attached to it as well and brownfields probably a better a better solution because there's more money there and and we could we could go after the master then if we relied on getting insurance money or whatever from the private corporation lots of well paid lawyers but jackie had a bold statement you're going to make needed redevelopment condemn it want to own it you know in the community development corporation applied for brownfields funds to clean it up and then you select you do v for a developer to come in and develop the site and you're able to select the developer who developer whose vision you like the best and often that process you know has its own set of rules that it's very creative the normal rules for development don't apply however to go that route i think you really have to go big to make that pay off it's an expensive proposition you'd have to get taxpayer approval to bond for that purchase but it's certainly not something you would take lightly it would be a huge project  involved in personal sale of property last i heard that the owner of the property want to ridiculous amount of money for the property if he really wants to sell it and that's six hundred or three hundred thousand dollars worth of whatever the number is a cleanup should be dropping his price by that much and set a bus company involved last i heard it was a million dollars it was for a ridiculous amount of money for a property that undeveloped bought this time  sounds like his problem not ours he said yeah we find solutions to kind of but are you going to have solutions for everybody that's trying to sell their property for more money than what it's wor her confirmation you know that it was appraised under that but had as for trying to help them through this process we spent a lot of time trying to make this guy a millionaire we spent a lot of meetings a lot of time talking about it when we could just be taken a perfectly good property somewheres out and turn it in commercial and having more people on on our water system we have other property that's perfectly fine that's not a brown site that maybe we should put our efforts into instead of making this one individual a lot of money the parcel at all to know if the lakers are saying what their real number is so we've been discussing all these months doing something with their parcel we don't know how much they want to sell  for right now i don't know we have been discussing doing something with their cars we have been thoughts about how to clean it up so the fact the fact you know that is a prime spot i think people are pretty right so you know it would be nice to develop a other area if that could happen and maybe maybe it be nice i don't know but that spot has just sat there and i'm pretty young and sat there my entire life ok so it's it did just becomes a point where you know you can negotiate with whoever but we just got to take action and i think that's where we're kind of over the last three months about discussing cleaning it out we're coming to the point where we're saying how do we get into the property instead of how do we begin to think about cleaning it up so we're not talking about seizing the land we're not talking about buying the way i'm talking about getting to the point where we can discuss  said yeah so we're taking it slow on let's see financial reports financial reports or in your packet have the comments on them otherwise we could do one did you i just wondered  did you want to just briefly touch on where anything any anomalies on the revenue side taxes are about where we expect them to be we've done better  and interest all those fees for like the field licenses and permits is down we're about halfway or sixty six percent of where we want to be we still have a couple of months in the year to the expense side you know we've done very well we're coming on track to close the year but i think that overall you will be within  and question on department reports these we just we just read and if we have questions we ask them correct right we don't really need to discuss them  general garbage collection was a little bit lower than it has been recently i don't know whether that's due to less partly true as people but certainly you know like to thinking before volunteering for this you took over the cars we've been doing it claiming it was one hundred percent tax exempt from republicans exemption currently the town's position is that it's begun to improve and essentially summary judgment motions are going to be based on already there and there are no permit was needed i checked the zoning they said there was do issues for them so i think the concern might have been that there was construction you which he wrote a letter it's actually vacating the subdivision since then we've got legal clarification that the zoning officer has no ability to resend alter vacate for that home the bit of building permit that appear period expires tomorrow he brought home attention by care of the valley that this is the case and she's wants to select the right to appeal the permit feel that  the lack of conditions or or the prior conditions on very large subdivision should be maintained but they they would somehow be be better for for this is it is it the practice of the subdivision or the select board to question the authority of the development review board because it's my understanding that there are separate independent that one shouldn't influence the other for obvious reasons that's a complicated relationship law more complicated than maybe it should be but typically the town in the in the past does not second guess the d r p although the town has participated in public hearings on certain gullable issues for the reason that the town could be  also another direction whenever somebody appeals a d or b to soon to environmental courts like or has traditionally handled that litigation because we all legal budget purse strings that would be well what's have conversations maybe somebody from the audience talk i mean i'm asking a question because it to me it's a building permit doesn't i mean if the g r b has already made a decision and said you can do x y or z and it may be contrary to what are some division regs say that's the dear abuse decision and so is that i guess the question why is it coming to us yeah like what but what is what is it going to change are we trying to keep mr presser from building a house on this piece of property and not understanding how a killing of a building permit will somehow change the subdivision i mean the de or b decision unless the unless the appeal of the subdivision is being brought into question and if that's the case there's already had another property that has been developed there i mean it's like you want if you want to understanding can you give us a moment to the people in the audience to b decisions that have been decisions that have been made here is ago that now we find out that we think that they're illegal or we don't like them are we going are we going to do that because really doesn't have anything to do with it you have a legal obligation for the suits and that's the question what happens shirt built here's the position here's here's the reason why i have asked the select or to participate in this process it was a town employee that made a decision that was not a legal decision based on your town attorney's legal opinion the legal decision whether they made it with other parcels or not that should be looked into i don't think you should ignore it was to nullify something they didn't have the ability to know five let's just take gary out of this equation let's just take any other subdivision in this town that somebody was going in for a subdivision and somebody opposed that subdivision and went all the way to environmental who are to make restrictions on that subdivision to the point where that subdivision couldn't be developed because the cost of developing it were so high because of these restrictions to get those conditions on purchases of property and gets rid of all the conditions that they have this town this town impose so not only employee made an error and was going to impose these conditions on one owner they're not imposing the same conditions on another owner that aside of the process of why i would like the slug board to participate is these are designing regulations that the select board has approved this was not only regulations approved by the voters of the temperature and so these are your documents that you have to stand behind and you appoint members to uphold these documents or to put waivers on these documents and to treat everybody in town equally based on these documents so the first property owner should been treated the same way as the last property owner so in this process since you were the folks who made the  all i'm asking you to do is sue the only legal process that you have the ability to participate and get into you know the ocean with the current property owner is is to appeal this to environmental court which only which you bend to environmental court before you bend numerous times before going to environment for only allows you to have a mediation session so that you can potentially put in a house request of the property owner my biggest concern was safety you have driveway regulations everywhere else in town how were they waived for this property you need to have concrete there you need to have water and sewer again there you need to have heavy equipment brought in to want to run the water and sewer which is currently going on now how is it that you are not going to afford your rescue your fire and your police department proper access to a structure that could have an emergency you have that regulation for everybody else in town now the d m v might have made their decision i'm not asking you to question every other day or the decision because there's plenty of them coming that have some real you've got you've got some divisions being approved without some some things that should be approved in because you regulations say you're supposed to have them i don't know if the d m v is upset that the regulations were passed in november so that they're putting a bunch of waivers on everything i tell the public if you want to permit go to the b d r b now they're accepting waivers all over the place and so will you get them for your building permits because you need to treat people equally around town it's your mistake it's your responsibility to rectify the situation and if you choose not to that situation me if i didn't ever bring it for d that i couldn't stand behind my claim that people in this town are treated differently based on what your name in this town has brought me to environmental court this town has a place to help order when i was on the sly for help or against my homeowners association i've been the brunt of legal action by this town repeatedly i'm asking you to treat everybody equally and if you make somebody spend thousands of dollars on their driveway to be put into their home you need to do that for everybody so why why appeal this because it gives you the ability to put requirements on the property that you have on all the other properties in town and if you choose not to then don't do if you choose not to there that there am i'm concerned about setting precedent and are her words have taken have taken d r v decisions have appealed the r b s decisions in the past it has occurred in this town so you can't worry about setting a precedent anything to the browns or their mortgage company what i'm asking you to do is appeal gary browser's permit that has him building a home on a property that doesn't have a it is for the structure it's not for d o b approved access and right of ways and all that good stuff that's part of the it's part of the whole process this is just building structure the access is the same and it's it's through the browns sheriff you guys if you just only want to look at the site plan and look at any of that stuff or or want to just proceed with this proceeding you do whatever you want to do but there are i'm making it public but whether this is a d or b decision or not whether you guys want to repeal it or not we are approving homes in our community without driveway access to the homes a parking space right off the road is not the same thing as having to hike to get to a house if that's how we want to to have our planning commissions draft our documents in the future or we want to do it that way it's important for the public to know so you should do away with and have your regulations on driveways if you're not going to if you're not going for force having your d r p go by them and that's the chair of the planning commission having something as huge leeway as having other people in this town having to spend thousands of dollars to jump through hoops to make a driveway just the way this regulations say it's supposed to be while others do not get a feeling that that's a decision of the d m v is that if they want to make some people jump through the hoops follow the rules versus but the appeal period has been going on for fifteen fifteen fifteen days right well you know and fortunately unfortunately you have the resources to review every building  i mean one option is simply not to take action and if tomorrow there isn't there some new information we can have some sort of emergency meeting and take action but right now at this point i don't i don't just i think i'm i don't want to get into the habit of micromanaging the d r v great you have thirteen hundred people saying that that planning document that you were trying to have those zoning regulations passed thirteen hundred people said thanks but no thanks you just gave those thirteen hundred people to make use of the power to make you loosen up your zoning regulations and i am not necessarily a supporter of that i'm a supporter for what's good for one is good for others so when i come in to get my subdivision and i don't have driveways and i don't need driveways because i have a helicopter power away until later i figured out that i expect the same courtesy that you don't participate in a decision and then you don't enforce or you don't participate that if i had to peel any decision to environmental court which you hire out and you go shit with and i expect you when you're sitting across the table from me in goshen actions to keep your mouth quiet because it'll be in the last hour and you won't have any time or ability to look into anything so i'm excited asking for the same courtesy that you give paragraphs or when you issue permits to me i want to gary bressler permit from here on  decision we need to decide something because it's a close of business tomorrow so we need to be there decide to put it off until tomorrow until we can get more information or we need to just decide that we're not going to do anything we're here can we put in some driveway specifications for this other house site now that's going  it opens up the ability to renegotiate things gary doesn't want to go there because he doesn't want to put in a driveway because he can't meet slope standards but he could do the best of his ability so there are some kind of negotiations that could occur that the urban makes a decision to either notify the building permit until you can come up with a better driver we think it opens the door stu some work if gary says no way i don't agree with what the d m v wants he can appeal to environmental quirkier business decision and then your environmental court anyhow but if you choose to do nothing the building permit stand he continues on the construction if you appeal the building permit the construction of the the sixteen hundred square foot which is larger so that up quite a few kept houses in the town that structure cannot pursued with the constructing until a day or be a decision is made so that's what you're doing is helping gary from building this structure until you see if it can be worked out of the d m v level you don't pay for an appeal i as a person would have to pay one hundred fifty dollars to appeal the decision to the dairy the town doesn't pay itself for an appeal so there's no be associated other than your subdivision ok non issue the building permit is what we're talking about the building permit from where i stand has been issued correctly whether it's on a good subdivision or not i not go we're not going to go back two years and deal with that so and saying we're taking building permits away i'm saying going forward this is how personally i'm going to approach this and it's going to start now which is the first time i've been asked to decide something like this so side what's that