for the record or members of the public in the room basically multiply two hundred gallons times the number so if it comes out of the hundred fifty now forty plus however many sixty units maybe i'm not sure that we don't know yet what they're going to be he would actually strongly recommend that the board in the town pay for that study not a person that you're looking to service well just because you're we've already done spent seven for face one and chase two for a modest percent of the fifteen percent we spend another thousand hours to create hayden one two three it is possible that phase three itself sustaining in the like to say too much when they think you're going to have two issues with the one you should spend the money and find out what his plans are and more to you should be prepared that it's entirely possible to develop or may step forward and give you everything you need to make the project go that you're asking in addition and third i think you need to be as you said aware of the toll allocation because when you go down there there's other properties that they're going to definitely be some some debt service numbers and we can get from contributions and then revenue calculations and see if this project would pay for itself does here if i had just put a bunch of money into my septic system and they're perfectly functioning well why would i want to spend whatever it is fifty thousand dollars and keep paying it was a fair question by the current extension the everybody did we just gave them the time frame the hook up i mean nobody likes to come up with ten thousand dollars to morrow but five hundred dollars over twenty years or one thousand a year or when you sell the the only thing that was required was that you had to look up within a certain time frame and you immediately start repaying the fixed piece of the system once wants to buy your house i think  some way financing the bridge if you want to stick to the development on the gateway so what you have here are images that describe your intended my development and do you want to walk us through maybe take five minutes and you could walk us through for q and a partly because you get you're so in theory and some things would be feasible i mean worst case near is probably a traffic signal right i mean if there's high volume coming in the night from i'm going by is there something that happens  water in the last three years and somewhere between eighty five and one hundred percent of the water was used outside of users and it was used by the highway was used for fire is used in a mobile home fire so it calls in my mind the question of what since the town paid for the truck to take the water to the fire what is the town's financial role in putting the water in the tank that gets used to put out fires and to be a friend to the folks in town near hydrants get a much better benefit from the system than the folks who are a mile or two away but they still and you cases are using water  today for a fire so call the question and go with an introduction you could come up with one way of looking at this so the answer is either the entire campaign zero for water which is pretty close to where we are today or pays a lot and somewhere between zero a lot is where we are so i'm going to entertain in this case i don't think we need to make a decision tonight but we need to make it for me any changes in restructuring or to the fire department i think we need to do it soon  so it's all over the map between like one hundred gallons for a certain car fire on the interstate it's all over the place the other question is you know are we ok well nobody bails understand that probably the biggest service that the water system provides other than water supply for the people is fire protection  actually the tank that we have today two hundred fifty thousand gallons when they built and designed and sixty five they didn't design for water supply they designed it for fire protection first waters of course second and it just happened that back then they had a projected water supply need for the village of two hundred fifty thousand gallons a day and build out twenty fifteen and they had a fire protection need in one nine hundred sixty nine of two hundred fifty thousand gallons for a f so when you combine those two it come they needed a five hundred thousand gallon tank back in one thousand nine hundred sixty nine the commission at that time being very pragmatic said great will build a two hundred fifty thousand gallon tank that wall  all or water service needs and will build that two hundred fifty thousand gallon tanks on that one day we need the fire protection we can drain a tank and everybody out of water for a day but we put the fire out and back and then the village had the fire department and the town was not built out the way that is now so the majority of folks in richmond years were in the village so it was a village fire department everybody paid for it's kind of the idea that if your if your will stand and everybody's on the system and everybody has access to the fire department you really don't care about point how much water is being used by the outside piece because eighty or ninety percent of you are using the water not paying for water what's happened over the years in richmond is that the town has grown we're now seventy five percent versus twenty five percent of the water system users but the town has never looked at how fire water fire departments are funded so the customer over time had spent all the money on the fire infrastructure putting in the eight inch mains for fire protection building a large reservoir maintaining the hydrants the water system maintains the hydrant replaces the hydrants and does all that the fire department has access to that water but for the longest on the fire department never paid anything for their water usage and when we got to looking at the fire department using this came up back in the early two thousand the same issue was well what do we want the town to pay for any of the water at all they don't use much water and it was dead in the water until the slick board found that  surrounding fire department has access to any idea and any time was taking water from the system and using it for a lot of things millions of gallons of water so at that point we decided to to have an estimate based on the information time and charge the town the blanket of the town for that water usage because everybody in the town of richmond pays for fire you all understand it's on your tax bill you pay the fire department bill you pay for hasn't ever been corrected so we did this is actually a question that comes up in a lot of places about how do you pay for park water bill it had to come about and there's a kind of different ways to get some towns just say they can use force they want and they don't pay for other towns they don't pay for the water going to use on a fire we won't put your fire out if you don't pay ahead of time a feed to the fire department and the water permit for the water we want but you're far out so when i got to looking at it i used the study that they did actually up and edmonton they looked at the entire system and how much of the system was used for fire protection and they determined up there that five percent of the system cost went for public fire protection so edmonton put that five percent of the budget on the entire towns taxpayer role for taxes and create a lot of controversy and actually took on the court about why do you build it on taxes versus a bill for water usage and they proved that these costs that public fire protection cost should be should be borne by an entire fire department so so taking this study i looked at our budget and i added up what the town currently pays for fire water we estimate sixteen thousand seven hundred gallons a month of usage for twelve months a year that amounts to two hundred fifty dollars a month that's just for water usage every other customer doesn't only pay for water uses they also pay for a fixed cost per capita the pipes and everything it's ironic that fire department that really has access to the largest infrastructure that you have doesn't pay any fixed cost so i figured out five percent of our existing budget and added that cost to the current cost they haven't in amounts two and vishal eleven thousand five hundred some odd dollars that should be billed to the fire department taxpayers concurrent with looking at this there's also the fact that there's always the argument that we have access here to hydrants and fire protection in the village or says carol that is that is getting smaller and smaller because the number of towns now do mutual aid and they set up tanker brigades and stuff they actually just did this in jericho and if you can piggyback on another town's plan with so many tankers for so for a property sa property requires the thirty five hundred gallons for x if you can demonstrate by using six towns with air tankers that you can provide that fire protection for the appropriate time five miles out so come in and expand their rating five miles out and everybody in that rating will see a reduction in their fire insurance so that i bring that up because in the village we benefit from that because we're within that close you have access to a  the evidence that edmonton study also showed is that you should build these properties that have big sprinkler lines of fire protection that currently are not metered that they just hook onto the main they're tested they're not metered or are tracked in any way they should also be build a specific part protection fee because they enjoy an even bigger break on their insurance than you do in a house next door that doesn't have an immediate system or english system this this is only a use edmonton as an example may have a lot bigger system than a lot more commercial movie commercials and everything so the fire protection costs for admin to move five percent but it seemed a reasonable place to start really over five percent there was no usage or was that based on competition and everything to go to five percent of the system the question would be if it's twelve hundred now what would it be when we have a new you know we have not looked at the basically with the wave of the reef structures that have been you chris can speak better to this is that you looked at a government percentage a school percentage of commercial and residential percentage so really you would need to look at your rate structure and see what is the cost for the fire for it i think that percentage you have to that point is the principle this is exactly what's happened in the town or village or richmond is that the l side town folks always view this as the commission as the water folks shifting costs to the outside town and of course the the attached customers watch that's a look at that if we can shift possibly outside but you're actually not doing it here you are you pay for fire through your taxes right all of it except for the water so you should pay for the water for the fire through the thirty five hundred building and the gateway without access to fire protection be at hadrian's or a tanker shuttle will pay a lot more insurance than one that has that so in jericho they've proved with their most and everything that he were actually west's six hundred thirty three thousand five hundred when we just got the report we just went