morning we have three argued cases today and after we hear arguments in the first two of those we're going to take a recess for about ten or fifteen minutes and then come inconsistency if you read a long good to require greater link with the cuz the discussion of the angle is written in terms of would not exceed so it is possible and there are there are ways to make that would have the reverse of greater light but there's nothing that says that it has to be the reverse we would argue that that is using of course the definition of the court selected and what i would like to address is what i consider to be the correct definition and that is it's longer than in the sense of the relative believe means that the long awaited is in the context of the other two warships and the word portions make the relationship these are relational to the portions of the whole and that where he is talking about two pieces of structural members in the invention that are related to one another and he says one might be shorter as an undesirable obligation to make disclosure that's understandable to people who are going to read this and want to compete and design our own or and prove royal shape was the ability to wrap around that portion wrap wrap the coil and so on around that portion of the hole so the answer is that is good notice adequate notice than with one looking at the claim a long way to understand all right so the ordinary meaning it has more length than with a look at this as an occasion that consists in that i understand what you notice their definition just to be clear is not a competing ordinary meaning their definition is not extended stretched out length and made on her instead what they've done is come up with a special definition that is not in use in any other it being used in three different ways in the suffocation and so it makes a lot of sense from a policy perspective for this court to say when you have a term as an ordinary term elongated no one here is suggesting it had  cars as one morning in which they can see that words and then when used the third time in describing fire are the bottom legs of that plane or might it have more like the way it works perfectly when you're in a situation where the ordinary meaning not only is an ordinary meaning makes ordinary meaning and here an ordinary meaning it makes sense even if the result were excluding him or her to my it is still to be acceptable you need to look at what the alternative is here here the alternative is not another ordinary meaning the alternative the specialized definition an ordinary meaning it makes sense you've chosen to have a perforated binding that doesn't appear to comply with that meeting you chose not to grappling in a manner that covered that refer to mine and that was your choice and we're not going to take an ordinary meaning and forty point seven which means the with shorter than the learning did you notice the council didn't say of course when we went over to the other discussion we brought along the ratio it's a pretty modern because the patent teaches a ratio of on four different seven that actually judge knight is a mistake they make in math because if you go through the calculations they begin with the right ratio but at the end suddenly the ratio of their relevance and that doesn't work if you're going to pick from another part of you should pick the ratio they say we don't want to pick a ratio we want to pick something else and then we want to pick random angles and so that's why i guess i'm going to challenge the idea that that sort of a member edition looking at this and believe me we've been doing a fair number of for which includes act and so when the judge had the ratio a nice to be that length is longer than the way it had more than that that was perfectly consistent with the example and what's interesting here is that very example that they reach from to try to take angles and apply over here to the point simply if you're going to start picking and choosing from one part of the occasion and importing another the elephant in the room is the ratio you have to bring the ratio as well and they don't do that in a calculation and once they try to do that at the nation their whole will are so since there are not heeding ordinary meanings here we don't see that as a really difficult case of all the perspective to return the pulse in part because if you have one ordinary mean that with the world on notice and that makes perfect sense in a consistent and then you have another meaning that the only way you would know what it is you would do their expert declaration that they file the very end and their attorney argument that doesn't serve a notice on them once you enter the world of rejecting ordinary meaning and doing something special and especially when it doesn't work with each use word along it you have to have a different one for each one