and actually we do not have an executive session tonight i can assure you trying to get home early ok great thanks you ok so we don't have seven o'clock scott so first one is a conservation restriction which marion included that information after hackett did you guys have any questions jeffrey you know  guess is many of them would like to participate ok and bring you the most emotion too just just as a point of clarification when we did this for the children just just be sure we do it right here when we did this for the town hill celebration for the two thousand and eleven don't need a point we were more specific when we had the number of people on the committee do we need to do that i think i how so then people just submit their names and then we vote the committee is that the process or and you me want to pick a chairman well that's what i was wondering you know tonight from but they're ok but i will move to from want to being told that there are issues with this the way it is and at least i've heard from two members that they think that they will recommend i p s my question to this board is it and i agree with that by the way i think this is not written it's a good first draft but it needs to be tweaked and what i'm concerned about is i do not want to see us start amending these bylaws on to now and so even if it's i peed there could be people that have their own agendas around this which is fine and amended it you know to overrule the ip and we might find ourselves back in that same situation so i'm wondering if it doesn't make sense if the planning board so recommends and i what i'm gathering this might be an alcoholic can't say because you have decided but it might be an outcome and i don't the discussions i've had with ray he agrees that there are some tweaking needs to be done in this i would almost prefer to take it off the war just take it off and let's work on it with the right people and get it in the right format that it should be and bring it back in the right way and not run the risk of getting into you know a situation where we might have something to go through in town floor with all sorts of anonymous that happened to us last time that don't know what the precedent is you know at this late stage to do that but given the news of the requestor i would think that you can you know we could maybe could we project would it be appropriate that we we could do a vote to remove it from that we could open the one go to the movie pending the recommendation of the town planner could we do that i mean if the town planner recommends removal from the war we would so allow that so it's me i just i we learned a lesson last time in spring meeting you know i mean several of us voted for to kill or article i myself included and didn't see the linkage to another article that created a problem and it's happened several times now and i just if we don't like it and we don't think it's right we've now got someone who's responsible for helping us work on this which we didn't have before the town planner and working with the play board let's get it right where we can all stand up and be comfortable to recommend it to the town i mean i would argue that it might be a more prudent course of action to do which you say but pending the decision of the planning i mean raise not a resident of guys decide it isn't right and that seems to be the direction then my opinion is let's let's take it off and i mean we can always post a meeting and do it again on thursday  time right before the war it's pr thousand four hundred seventy five dollars that's really in two components for and fifty three thousand of prison mitigation and six hundred fifty five thousand for general purposes are going to traditional free cash it is all free cash but that's just for our own purposes we're breaking it up capital for cash we had a starting bounce for in fifty three thousand tents fifty thousand five hundred of them at the fall time meeting a couple hundred thirty nine thousand for sixty six three hundred fifty thousand of which i've already identified for the budget for if i sixteen so we follow that route will have eighty nine thousand four hundred sixty six dollars remaining some of the revenue components of the budget this is the this is the sar this is stated based on the governor's budget we are expecting the house budget to come out school just because of that that's the money that comes and goes based on our students we have for in charter schools that is up seven thousand dollars lottery funding that's that's that's well it's not really called lottery funding anymore but that's the general government even is a little less than a little more than thirty thousand dollars so many exemptions for veterans and other folks that that we give we give them exceptions on their property taxes and state land to sustain only and that's in pilot payment in lieu of taxes so it's all calculated that the state appraisers the property sets the theoretical tax rate that they're going to pay on that  eighty five dollars much of that beginning in late january starting with the four back to back storms that occurred so we have a deficit of four hundred fifty thousand two hundred eighty five dollars we've applied for a female reimbursement working with the state clyde for approximately twenty two thousand dollars of aid while that's what we're saying where our expenses related to storms so we would if funding is approved will get seventy five percent of that back or two hundred eighty six thousand five hundred leaving us with a deficit of one hundred sixty three thousand seventy five this is unusual female request and this is this is being driven by the state not by us but we certainly agree with it usually the storms are really or they have like a twenty four to thirty six hour duration this this governor baker has made a special request to have that the whole period of those four storms be considered a female reimbursement just because of the piling on if you will of the  storm and it just really never the storm never really ended and never you know they never got to the point where they fully cleaned up and by the time they got on to the next storm could be jack could you explain the seventy five percent again is that an assumption in terms of the funding that if they read if they approve it that's what you know in a mistake unless they change rules which is possible but whenever we apply for fema funding we get seventy five percent reimbursement on our expenses so oh ok ok so if you take the deficit of foreign fifty thousand and apply that the seventy five percent reimbursement to eighty six that's how you get to the hundred sixty three thousand would be our new deficit thank you jack do they you know if they're when you do the requests obviously do they ever come back and change that or if you know that before they place eighty five percent say no you know you're the only eligible for three hundred thousand and then say five percent of that or was that a pretty good number that's pretty good number because they because the fema our emerging management director they all work on it and they have female representatives that they they work with while they're going to go so it's a pretty ok it's a pretty straightforward calculation and you know we have to back it up with receipts and payrolls etc so we take a step back i guess a little bit and look at overall revenues and these are in the thousands our tax base so that's property taxes and personal property taxes projected to go from twenty four point seven million up to twenty just over twenty six million and that's pretty there's no real guess there us you know you just add two and a half percent the guessing part would be what is new growth and you know i come up with a number i have some discussion revolves this year with their new chief assessor asked one rein to look at  the number and before i gave her my number i asked her to come up with a number and she came up within the minute ballpark so we've got six hundred fifty thousand dollars estimated for new growth this year it's funny i think just to meander a little bit for a second i think we were a little bit in a way i get a little concerned with i think we have a little bit of a potential debt just between the village of river's edge finishing up you know i think we're going to get the last bit of that debt that  subdivision is really saved us the last three or four five years with all the growth going on there kind of replaced everything else that was going on in town that that stopped i think we've got a lot of stuff teed up both in forty bees and then some subdivisions that are still getting going the pulte one is going so that's that's helping us out but i'm a little concerned that we're going to see a little bit of a fall back before we local receipts we i think will gain about one hundred fifty thousand dollars from year over year state aid we already talked about and then available sources three hundred seventy five thousand dollars for f y sixteen is three hundred  fifty thousand dollars free cash and then twenty five thousand dollars of the cemetery funds that we take on an annual basis so a total we're r next slide is a new one for at least the breaking out the information i took the major expense components and it just strictly driven by the size of the  project and just showed showed you those and really it's from your mind anybody's purpose who wants to start attacking trying to resolve this is you know obviously you need to the big dollar budgets are the places that seven point three to seven point eight million increase of six point eight four percent police at two point two up to two point three five point eight percent increase its health insurance now is the fourth biggest budget in the town going from one point nine million up to two point one an increase of ten point six percent as it stands today question on that now i know that scott had discuss alternatives and that he was meeting with the union that those alternatives there was one hundred fifty six thousand dollars savings of which about two thirds of it would be ours and then there's a sharing component but somewhere between seventy five hundred thousand dollars savings potentially to us on our budget as had gone anywhere i know we met with the union and i don't know the results they're still going back to their unions the feedback has not been positive to so far the term start standard play patiently while some changes were made we would find the difference which kept them neutral i think the the one of the bigger concerns is is talking when we talk about adding co pays and but the town setting up a fund to pay for those there was a lot of concern of the feedback that i got was that there was concern over the people having attorney receipts health care receipts into the accounting department and those becoming public records and people's health insurance so as a there's a process concern that they have we've said that franklin did the exact kind of the exact same process and they you know i think there's a way we can keep that process i think so too but the bigger concern was you know we kind of talked about a two year setting up a two year those co pays forever that might be something they want to talk about i don't think anybody can guarantee it's going to look like in two or three years  k and there's still i think that an underlying desire by the all the employees to get it get the rate up to a higher town's contribution rate up to a higher level quarters fire and ambulance at one point four up to just over one point five increase of four percent d p w operations so when i say operations i'm not including street because we're losing our system account tonic on our in our town account both within a month of each other to retirement over the winter you know i've got some funding in there to hire somebody probably in july but i could i could i think with the plan i have i could probably cut that back to hiring somebody like in october so save that that number would become more reasonable just mean just to take a look at where we might look five percent certainly would be a good place to begin to have discussions i'm not sure what the impact is on them because i have seen those variables they do those are sheets i haven't seen them yet on their budget so about two ninety ok and they have not used all three humans on this that might not even yes this one yes so somewhere between one hundred two hundred fifty three and somewhere in that range health insurance potentially potentially somewhere between seventy five and ninety potentially you have a very optimistic i'm not very optimistic there point one up as it stands today thirty four point two an increase of just over two million dollars so leaves us a shortfall of five hundred fifty five thousand dollars so one knowns and solutions and these are a followed by the senate and then committee then approval i suspect we will have the final budget until close to joy for arced but i think we'll know once that once the house finishes and the senate begins i think we'll probably know that whether or not the governor's budget on local aid is good which again i suspect it's not that far off insurance negotiations are ongoing as we talked about a couple times the snow and ice i don't know if we're getting t allocate that towards using it for to pay off our debt we'll go we'll have that same discussion we had it was years ago now it's not a great solution but we do have funds in the ambulance fund so we have a we have a separate fund that we authorize every year tommy and that we take ambulance receipts and they stay in that fund subject to appropriation at town meeting during the budget process we have voted the last couple of years two hundred eighty thousand dollars out of that and we've gotten most years we're we're north of that in the three hundred to three hundred ten thousand dollars range so we've built up a little bit of a surplus  again we can either use it for buying an ambulance or or use it for put towards a budget that source is available that we could lease right and i call mention that you guys are dark about that because if we leased and we did it let's say just the last quarter you have you know you're looking at about twenty twenty five thousand dollars payment which would free up about one hundred twenty five so we need to leave just my thought i think we need to leave enough in there to cover that at least payment did you have a gut on the lease versus buy i mean we've done both i think i'd rather lease at this point maybe just because interest hopefully we're going to get good question marks there but hopefully we're going to two hundred eighty six thousand dollars back from them that my understanding is the payment for that probably won't be until after july first so but we can carry that deficit secondary that deficit we just have to we just have to resolve the deficit before we set the tax rate right you know just december so additional ambulance receipts as we just talked about we've been one hundred fifty thousand dollars available insurance negotiations you're right with your number i you know i some of the savings will be somewhere between seventy and one thirty so that would be you know assume since it's got the title negotiations i figure we probably don't get all of it the king fill budget we've covered that but that's you know i think we've got the worst case scenario as far as the budget plug in here budget cuts i've looked at you know if i just if i took a across the board cut of all the budgets of one percent i'd get two hundred eighty one thousand dollars and that includes the edge that includes the education budgets just but that that's a big chunk of the take if you take one percent of general go are two point three million euros twenty three thousand you know i always cringe when we start talking with just you know you know one percent across the board because you got it it's not all legal it's not all equal and you get things like the audit you know we all may get a ticket on the way home there is a trading component so you're the two fifteen number you have is good multicast attention equipment so that's their gas detectors three of them four thousand dollars to be twelve thousand  goodness out of it and it's important that it's lifespan high band radio frequency they need to upgrade sometime relatively soon thirty eight thousand and then a request for each to it's an f two fifty pickup to be placed forty three thousand each just one h to one you said one sorry one pick on one pickup and it's forty three care what a three k and what was a radio frequency number thirty  yeah he has mentioned those to me before but he didn't know he definitely did i was unclear if he was funding those in the expense i assume not but because it wasn't a huge amount ok all right thank but he it if you did spend it you still get one hundred seventy six thousand you can apply to death one seventy six one fifty six twelve and if just those three items the ambulance one seventy six to death and hypothetically  and i think your idea of applying a hundred years even if we've even if we did all of these items that still leaves one hundred seventy six thousand of that you could apply to death which you know comes out the credit card bill which is the same thing as revenue he's taking the four fifty three refiners three sixteen for six assuming you funded all of those projects you listed but we we did spend fifty in the fall so i think we're sitting i think that was  ninety one fifty two fifty three forty so we down to two hundred fifteen and you've still got the fifty grand ineffective as your board right we can reduce that right and you guys have offered some of that  other budgets you know critically so it's kind of a good one or the other solution just so i'd be comfortable so to twenty five years i'm right so you get twenty five there i mean that was the number we were  y out for a number of years and you know i think it worked fine eighty seven towards debt to be exact we got one fifty in the ambulance which we know we have somewhere probably between that's a three sixty two the other ninety grand jack like you said if you're going to use the eighty seven thousand from the capital free cash why not just use the nine thousand instead of that unless you want to use both but  i like the idea i mean i like the idea of applying applying it to death though that's fine because if it stays off the books it's gone last thing on the bomb a sheet elementary school one hundred fifty thousand dollars in f y fifteen budget money that they are willing to turn back but that they have they've told us that they will have to turn back to the time that you have just sold the budget is below board but i mean that's that's a clean way to do it and we could use military funding and just spend the next year's budget at the end of this years and then reduce the budget could do that would that would be just as an alternative we could he's short a different budget like that budget you know in short that just right and then vote the right correct number for the elementary school in may and then fix the debt budget in the fall by the hundred fifty thousand  hundred thirty thousand dollars of  those are all that's that's that's a hurdle for f y seventeen unless you apply at least eighty seven to the debt which i really would favor we have to look at the debt that's that's paying off the debt service we still have debt service the following year but the one that has more and you know we keep here in the fifty third week is causing some budget so we'll get that saving next year at a good point can't be that and i mean and the police i think will this is a this is a tough year for the police because we're we've got the full year  regards you know once we figure out what we're doing this year garbus you know we don't get double digits back to back so so what can we agree on tonight we could we agree on the twenty five from the can we agree on applying eighty seven thousand of prison mitigation to death assuming we fund all of those capital items debt i think i would take it out of employee benefits and fix it and put the hundred fifty back in the fall meeting when it's sort of funny because we've had we've had some role in that anyway over the years yeah it's getting tighter and tighter i know it's get yeah then you got it only counts are so we so if you look at the revenue sheet we put hundred and fifty hundred all part of one in twenty five thousand dollars a year it's the people that are challenging they paid their taxes and it comes out of that money other things that that's used for our like the senior program where seniors can come in and work for the municipality and we actually that's that's five fifty two so we have a we have it by fiscal year we have all these little accounts of overlay balances and we have ninety three grand money in there based on either on collected taxes or you might get a few more bucks out of state it i mean able to be a lot but you know we might get twenty or thirty thousand dollars out of state and if we do that i would mind putting some money levi's refund just to reserve fund for you know if we blow a furnace in the middle year or do yet but they just are they are interested in raise they're raising some money through their own members and they may offer up the opportunities for others as well to that they'd like to a stone bench so i think that's they they've gone over to swenson's or sentence or reset and looked at some so i told them that you know pick out what you want if you know if you don't want to use what the recreation department picked out  kind of a standard for town hell that you guys already approved if they want to do something different it would need to just come to that it's like when to have you guys approve it and you know both the type and the location but so they're interested in coming to that i was hoping to have kind of some visuals for you to look at but they haven't given them to me yet what they're looking at but she said it's supposed to be like there's just a there's two benches over there stone benches right in that i think in the gardens and left a trail house so they're looking at that and they want to have it somewhere near the clock that jack's clock jack's clock so so i have that for you and i think it's a wonderful thing to do but i just have one question with the requests from recreation earlier and with this request we don't have any policy that i'm aware of as to how we do something like this and not saying that this isn't a good thing but but we have a lot of people that do a lot of good things for norfolk and you know we've had to select one that i can remember that had passed away last couple years that serve multiple terms we should give some thought to to how we create some sort of standard for this because you're not going to get eighty five benches on town hill so  you just i don't know the answer but i do think it's a legitimate question that we had all the sudden we're starting to get these issues and it's felt all getting older you know i mean we should have some kind of guidelines that apply across the board to everybody if you will each individual it's so you know sometimes it's each one is unique so i'm not sure i'm not sure you can write a policy for that i mean you know there's a momentum here because jack was relatively young and jack was still engage with n z t v understand you know that and and you know i you know i should let me give you another example i mean look look look what just happened with a resident of the town and in their forty's who is incredibly active in recreation coaching and it but you know to to to create some memory you know but when you die i'm just talking about time he'll check into you know when it comes to town hill you have limited capacity to do that and i think doing this for jackson right thing i'm not things of that nature so there are a lot of very appropriate nice ways to say thank you to folks that you know have served the town over the years maybe that's the surgeon if you try to keep it proximate to we're the person  know it would be one thing if we were spending time money on these things we're talking about you know somebody coming to us with and saying we want to remember somebody because x was important to this part of the town and we want to give the town something want to have a policy for well now i don't go there yeah  a sudden and unfortunate fixture for sure i heard a story from from him wrestlers and see t v chair who do you know they asked jackie what what they what she would like and jackie said that jack brought mary had gas in town he brought him down with some of it urgent so it could be urgent you could talk about it wednesday i mean i was i went to a staff meeting friday morning and i went through all the road issues with the guys and their plans and of course the delay getting on the ball fields and all i kind of stuff it sounded like he wanted that's why i thought maybe he was going to be on tonight's agenda when i sent you the note because he sounded like he had sense of urgency and some of the stuff that he really wants to start getting to work on he went around with aggregate the other day you know look at some of the roads and so we try to put together counter with them they're the ones that would actually do the you know majority of the work  posted for wednesday night if if you e mail to each of us individually has an urgent list if you will we could e mail you back and even suggest two of us we could vote it as long as you got the information from all three of us if we could resolve with a principle is not doing well you know for us and i remember town council saying when we first brought their first one that they'd never seen that before cause us to be a little late here we've been meeting with george now for close to a year certainly about nine months anyway close to that i think we had four or five face to face meetings and he's made a ton of progress in terms of where we are he's done detailed financial analysis but i wanted to this is where he is seven or eight of us on this working committee and we've probably had eight ten meetings maybe more for better part of nine to ten months working through the issues of the project right now it were working towards is an agreement and i have a draft of that i'll get to jack and he can send them to you working towards an agreement we're intending on having them come to a may select means meeting to present what this working committee has worked through with him followed up by a presentation going to a cable show as well as a presentation at the middle school for all citizens hopefully that have interest in taking a look at this and the idea is that that this would be done as an overlay district with very specific phasing in of the four components for components are two hundred and twenty twenty your numbers are in the bottom two hundred twenty  assisted living component may vary but it's going to be somewhere between seventy and a hundred thirty units depending on how the different groupings fall and then a smaller component of commercial which you know it's a thirty two thousand square feet  fall after the fact and the plan would be that the first all of the two hundred forty two hundred twenty condos would all be restricted age all restricted age is this was a major deal so that the impact of the schools is is really minimal the apartments are all one and two bedroom apartments so you have obviously just by design limited the number of potential children there as well we've done a detailed financial analysis based on our current budget of the town's two thousand and fifteen budget and potential revenues and cos he's got some fine tuning to do especially on fire with that many restricted age units we figured ambulance runs would be on the increase no right there well actually one of the members of the committee proposed a substation down there and i will admit that my gut reaction to that was not favorable for a couple of reasons one the staffing this the main concern is that you know you're going to get into more people and staffing that southwood is four blocks past the prison i mean it's not really a two minute drive from where well i mean it's not that we're not centrally located to get there we probably need another ambulance which would be sewerage all of those things are part of the you know on the table and agreements and there's willingness on his part to help us resolve all of those issues either through funding or other sources we're going to do a se us allows us some of the opportunity this this isn't going to even begin until two thousand and eighteen and it's probably five to six year process for this all to get completed so there's plenty if we can find the source there's plenty of time to develop the source of permit the source  it's been it's been i think there's some things about this project that make it very very interesting number one it's it's a site that it's we're lucky to find anybody even has interest in developing it because there are two brownfields located on this site it's owned by the archdiocese they're not going to sell it to anybody who is going to have a complete doesn't have a complete capability of cleaning this up so they don't have any extended liability you know that's going to happen he's one of the few developers that has experience and run through clean ups is as i think you all know so just to have someone as interested in a piece of property that we frankly never thought we'd find anybody interested in it is something really good the financials are actually very very attractive the revenues are substantial yeah a lot now comes in over a period of time but once build out is completed which should probably be between five and seven years  you're talking about be positive substantial positive flow to this development in terms of and to support it expenses and you've looked at goals schools fire police not much to d p w and things of that nature also set aside you know it's on one day now he's got to deal with the state in terms of access on and off because that's a state highway that he's got to go to your bore obviously for a whole bunch of things but it's been a productive process and i think we've got pretty much agreement oh at least with the working committee which is a non binding group to go forward with bringing something to tell meeting which would be in september that's sort of a tentative point zero and one member of the of mr wilton to his credit has it been insistent from day one that this be an overlay project and that has made a huge difference i think overly meanings and i know you know this just but just for those at home in the ice you probably do too but it just means that you're not going to get all of of phase one without components of face to face three so to speak you know which is what's happening down here you've got a commercial site going up and you know that should've been up three or four years ago that was supposed to be a three or four years ago  look at a couple of pieces of steel and how many muscles have been sitting there you know for five months or something like that and overlay project means that it be there are very specific he's in stick each of these four components with  possible exception of commercial because i just small component you know he's got to see what the demand is and i think we're all in agreement that that one is of concern but the assisted living would provide a great relief to us in terms of our affordable home requirement because there are ways that he certain percentage of those can be counted so we'll not only get the benefit of the revenue will get the benefit of a pretty good number of units towards our ten percent he's been pretty good to work with he's been it was a very good idea