i may i'd like to reserve two minutes for a bottle because it's violent activities conflicted and it isn't a question of his friend of mind or his belief as it is that a question of whether he persecutors were doing and what was in their minds that has to be persecution on account of well there's  to join their group and you said no you wouldn't join the group would you tell them why i simply told that i did not get didn't want to get involved in that type of group so then they told me that if i was not with them i was against them and i'm just having a hard time finding a religious second was that the prosecutors demonstrated their knowledge that it was from the neighborhood of san luis demonstrated they were acquainted with the middle east acquainted with something about that neighborhood and thirdly my client in accordance with his religious beliefs that he could not be involved in their kind of group that's an indirect reference to his opposition to participating on with them with all due respect that's really a house of cards requiring one speculation piled on top of another well this court has learned there's no direct evidence at all and if there's circumstantial evidence it's awfully weak to show that they knew that he was involved in religious activities herently in any conscription case the question is is there something in addition here and i don't believe the judge properly analyze that i think whether the manner of review of the judge's decision of her methodology would be had an overall question we've had lots of cases like this i wrote to use years ago and for her and very honest to talk about the next question yeah i just don't see any evidence here at all or to your position we really have to guess that's what they had in their minds that the other thing that sort of the traction your case is that originally the claim that this was social persecution and then all of a sudden it morphed into religious persecution i mean it seems that your side is grasping around trying to find an on account of basi about his religious beliefs most of the confrontations are heard that was delivering bread and that's known to have money the last few incidences including the one time that he was physically assaulted occurred in a different neighborhood so even if he's before this quite everybody in his neighborhood knew that he was not roman catholic and cared about that there's no there's no clear indication that individuals for economic reasons mr confess argument that the immigration judges announced this was legally wrong and it is also not compelling the immigration judge simply found no about his religion did they ever indicate that he there is it in any way about his religion he was targeted most the majority of the times while he was delivering bread and therefore having possessing money each indication we look at what the what the persecutor here the gang member said whether there's any other logical explanation for their targeting here there is an economic targeting and whether in his neighborhood was a member of a different church than the roman catholic church and so from that he draws the assumption that everybody in his neighborhood would know that he was not roman catholic and moreover that if you they would  the only evidence concerning the evangelical precept on mr i'm going to is testimony and he testified that he they simply don't believe in violence and that as a result they wouldn't participate in a group like links what the m s m gang members trying one time to recruit mr i get that assaulting him one time knew about his particular religious beliefs and were motivated by guys in contrast to being motivated by economic means they brought him repeat a number of times or trying to recruit him or believing he was a member of a different gangs fighting him because of that so again for those reasons  factor if there's another factor that they have to a statutory basis and they have to overcome to achieve that objective so all the focus on an economic motivations and expanding their ranks this is well taken but that doesn't exclude them what her problem with them was in a lot of trouble i understand that charge by holding that kind of standard i think it's unrealistic to write an opinion even if there's even if you don't tell anybody where you are