request to the d r b by gabriel handy for a sketch plan review of the two lot subdivision at three seventy four route fifteen that's in the village center district and it's in the character of a zone in district and the second piece of new business is a request to therapy by lucien pulled out one for a conditional use review of an accessory of park this is at thirty seven old pump road it's which is an agricultural zone district that's all we have for the public meeting tonight and as she suggested i think what we're going to do is we're going to put these we're going to hear these in the opposite or from the way they're warm just because we expect that we have a lot to talk about in the sketch plan where they respect to the character base owning which is at this point i want to go through me just remind everyone that this procedure will be conducted orderly manner consistent rules of procedure you don't need to see the written rules out run you through things as we go through it this evening and it's a small crowd so that will be easy but if you want copies of our rules of procedure you can get them from staff at any time at this point i need to formally request disclosure of any conflicts of interest or any ex parte communication with board are joining that municipality a person owning or occupying property in the immediate neighborhood of a property that some object of any zoning decision or act who can demonstrate a physical or environmental impact on the person's interest under the criteria reviewed and who alleges that the decision or act of confirmed will violate in this plan or by a law any ten persons in are voters or landowners who by science petition to the d r v allege that the decision or act development the interested persons that is important because as i said only statutory defined interested persons may appeal the decision of his own officer dear b if an innocent person fails to make a timely appeal they are bound by the officer d decision or act only those interested persons who have participated in a therapy here proceeding may appeal a decision are entered in that proceeding in environmental court pursuant to state statute participation consists of offering through oral or written appeal those interested persons we wouldn't make a determination as to who's interested persons but we do need to be able to tell who participated so to that and there's a senate seat that went around i think now yes we will send around a senate she please  just sign up so we know that you are here and also to help us in that regard before you speak if you would tell us your name so anything get in the record that would be a vehicle ok that's all the that's all the sort of as i judicial hearing so on everyone who tends to participate must be sworn in so what i will do is read the oath and you just need to say i do i hereby swear that the evidence i give in the cause under consideration shall be the whole truth and nothing but the truth under the pains and penalties of perjury i do thank you ok so let's go ahead and have a bath once come up and we'll start with your presentation there but i think it looks like everything is good the coffee's oh no not really what will happen here if this is approved we typically would just put a condition in the approval that you present  but you know look at it just as planned you just got a tax map with rough distances how comfortable are you with the property lines and showing that everything is outside the setback know one of the requirements of building a new building residency is to comply with the vermont residential building energy code and you guys have to say that you're complying self certification yes actually there's a number and i noticed that the building supply places around here all have as you do as well right of years and they're only in the hands be giving him down again we feel like we have we feel we have an information to see that you're well well outside that that overlay but we don't really have a cervix so i guess i guess we just have to understand what the guidelines for storm water management to prevent erosion during construction and this would be considered a low risk because it's such a small area septic system construction and that the house are both small but there are some guidelines so forgive me if i if i take stabs at this but i just learned about it yesterday so i'll do the best i can do you want me up lot number two and the proposal is you happy for you it was that lot number one would share the access and create a new driveway going in to this new law  further forward three which is no problem a matter of fact in your your architectural standards they're asking for porters not to be any less than eight feet deep which is a functioning front porch would go on the front of this and i've actually got it on that color print but what that effect does is it pulls this whole structure into the frontier of the i mean what you're looking for and that what we will do will subscribe to to the access there was in your staff report a recommendation that if it does come in off here that it be pulled back behind the house so that you're well forty feet deep  yeah and i would like to submit some pictures of what that would look like if we actually did that so if i could we passing that  brush as you're talking about amassing in some of the details and finishes and so on with it it's going to they're going to are going to come up but i don't think we need to go into a ton of detail at this at sketch or as i said the purpose of this really is to know that yeah i think that's it's really up to you to apply that way yes i'm the only disadvantage to you is if something comes up to a preliminary hearing time to if you have time to react before a final rather than continuing so if there is that shows offer that comes up during the hearing and a final then you know we have a choice but to continue they can be sure until i say that's what everyone wants but if that's that that's the only reason to not do that ok and i'm i'm only asking because mr handy asked me to  ask yes so i mean there's no procedural reason why he can't do that ok given that i thought what i would do is just try to go through the staff report and then review make general comments based on what the staff reporters if i'm understanding correctly you want to maximize that setback could be as close as you can get a setback no you're ordinance of interesting question because you or didn't watch this stuff closer to the street than we're used to and sometimes one when you can accomplish that if you've got existing structures or you try to take the average of what's on the street so that in the staff comment it said we would like you to pull it closer to the street so is the new exit it's more of a range so like you're saying they're trying to create this neighborhood he'll be open houses closer together but it's not just a minimum set back but they have a range so they don't need to know are back ok so that's  to what would be a sidewalk going to be any closer than five feet so that's going to keep us back a little bit too but what's interesting is what if somebody in your in your range of setback that we can do is fifteen to twenty five feet and we're at twenty eight so if you add that eight foot porch which wasn't shown on the pull in memory plan you're at twenty which is what the setback for the next tell us is and the next one so you're in rhythm with the setbacks on that that that area  it what's interesting is the other houses would have that same problem that have been there for one hundred years so we're just we're trying to i don't know what's more important said the house back from the others to give you distance from the edge of your it well i mean you know that jeff brought up something interesting because i was a little confused until i i linked your your comment to the section that brought me to the table writing table is what you highlighted and it's  s and we also have the same issue with the side yard setback which we wanted to be within five to twenty five feet we're at thirty feet and we're just going to just it over to get within that range  that's a matter of fact it behooves us to do that because there's some real nice heavy trees there that we'd like to preserve and if we move to help solve it we can do that we'd like to preserve it a couple of trash trees in the middle little girl but they're not anywhere so i can't i couldn't find it but somewhere in here my it when i first read there was it asked for a six twelve proof pitch whatever it is we're going to give it to you whether it's twelve eight twelve nine twelve zero the architecture  plan i mean everything that's been listed in this chart in the staff report is what you'll have to address and expand on in your final  application i guess i was saying that's the subdivision review for the general standards that we still have then you're still subject to say action ten per minor subdivision but those all review all the components listed in our general development standards like parking and pedestrian movement but those are covered in article thirteen as well so there will be a little bit of redundancy that a lot layout will be subject to she'd be zero standard was reviewed in the development plan we will accommodate that page seven  architectural standards of section thirteen point five and i guess at that point in time it will make a statement that we're going to concur in supply you with what you're looking for to accommodate those standards  note i noticed in here that you also talk about what materials we should use and i don't see any vinyl siding in their home you don't talk about or tony treat them like that so i suspect what in the spirit of saving efficiency for utilities which is great but it's at the expense of raising the cost of the house so we're trying to find that balance that works wonderfully if the payoff that well that what i found is its density if you always try to find that balance sheet if you get into the affordable arena or the housing arena that affordable and i find that the only solution that i've played with is density that's why the  no lighting is currently proposed on the site although i suspect that there's going to be down lighting for front porch light but if there's a garage you're probably going to be a spotlight on the raj they'd like that yeah i believe it's one of the things that we did there are performance standards about lee coming off the property to the street the moment in the down right and then again in a residential that's not usually an issue that's usually only an issue with parking lots and driveways which have street lights and  group or is that something that waits until they ask for a building or do you have proposed a building on this say well it is and that's very good point because you're in an overlay district and that overlay district call for architect the table is just to do the subdivision that's what's on the not with form based code you have to address both the i understand the plan the needs to say that it can be mapped before you can do the subdivision but you wouldn't have to for example choose whether you were going to do brick fashion or cut board started at this point just you have to say that it's going to be one of the other i would like the opportunity to say that we were going to we're going to accomplish the ar the addressing the section thirteen five the architectural requirement before final and i'll get you a draft of that i'd like to talk to mr hand you say ok you're not going to do vinyl siding you can't do architect shingles architectural standards if you were just coming with a building permit then staff would just review those architectural standard ok to make sure they conform straight again it wouldn't necessarily have to go to the d r be ok if it's very saying is if anybody in this district wants to subdivide their property do they already have to have a plan in place before they can subdivide according to the rules i don't know that the question but in seems i thought it was still possible for the apple came to apply for a subdivision and gave up approved and made their subdivision say i own that house and i want to sell my daughter to secure gold that lot i'm going to get it trust him she's not going to build until she told him but she when she decided to build she would have to conform to your british regulations in your architectural criteria in this case it sounds like we're doing it in one step anyway because that's what you want to do you know so it's really this is moot because you're going to come to us i think what you're saying is you're going to come to us with an application which is a subdivision and and site review but it isn't something to say review per se but what i think what i've got to do is submit a plan that meets the architectural requirement to get final approval and get a building perm think we're good i think we understand it is that it's combined but let's just and i think that's why i don't think i what i'm hearing out of the african saying is he doesn't want to separate them anyway yeah so for this doesn't matter but it is important to understand procedurally what we're doing ok which you would do whether or not so your use of the coin is yet the answer so i think to get back all the way around you originally question i think the answer to your question is yes you will get those comments from that architect three as part of the staff know just as you did with all these issues with  for ok so this being a sketch plan there is no formal approval process so the comments that you've got in the minutes that you'll get or are already out to put if you will of this process so continue to work with