agenda as it's written  do any audience have any comments on items that are not on the agenda apple can't we're not sure four phases is needed maybe bring it down to two or three and everything is going to be faced off for a road we're making a condition that no construction activity access the site through the woodlands everything is going to have to come out to be about rules and this will be the last phase going into the woman's with that we're recommending approval we have us all the improvements that we're proposing are going to be out of the state right away to go up there within the state right away that paving is already pretty significant it extends quite a bit the widening that's going to be done on our end is actually marie that we do is when we get new plants like this in we sent him over to the school district transportation director and he studies them and tells us where they think they are going to need those are shown on the final construction  audience comments  vision approval this eight foot high fence has to be a windscreen on a school district's offering in lieu of putting this fence in they would put the windscreen on the four foot high fence up above and in looking at architect i think the concept originally when he designed the whole site was to confine it as much as possible for a t v traffic for individuals trying to walk on the site so we had required the si followed him in meetings with with your department the idea of the windscreen was the parking was going to be parked in to the hillside so one of the concerns of the residents had was the headlight could potentially spill into their property now looking at the site with the hundred foot high elevation just in a four foot high fence your twenty two feet above the  area we have some pictures to show you can visualize what it would look like if a car's been basically the hillside is a screen for lights a light i don't think is an issue i think we'd all agree with that that the residents may have other issues with defense that is currently already thirty feet is a setback on our property but that was a concept because it was a make a perimeter around the site to prevent outside access to getting onto that artificial turf  of the entire print of the property all the new fences will be the outfield fence with a baseball field will stay as is the around the slope facing the present element at will be an eight foot fence the back side on the scoreboards i think is even it keeping the chin here has been planted that was planted late last year and that was part of the agreement we are with the township as well to include i'm not sure the county was several hundred planning to create a buffer  or is it not i can have a dealer picture where you can see the fence here i have one with me and it's going to be here you go screening and there's other issues for privacy that i just spoke to some the residence was we have to address from a crowd control issue currently the site is under construction it had the township it had weekend activities there i just found out from the gentleman sitting next to me here that that has been an issue because we don't have bleachers up yet and we don't have any place for spectators there's no spectators sitting there so under construction and people have been migrating up this hill side noise but they will be on the opposite side of the field away from the way and the resi and they put it in feeling the quality of the field service is excellent as i expressed a year ago at this time my concern was putting any stadium in to a residential area in terms of its effect on the residents we are concerned but the one benefit that we would get if we maintain the sense is it would eliminate folks from coming up again most of them don't walk up the hill they go to the end walk up and actually actually go down they when they went over the brand new grassy and walked up this was a  understand that i coach mike sun and other kids on those fields i have a great appreciation for that that field needed to be redone so i am not complaining the field was done i just am a major concern of the impact on those residents in terms of the quality of our life if there's not significant control and it sounds from what dan tells me as the weekends are are turning to the r chance at least would keep the people from coming up fifty feet from my deck and sitting there and i'm a parent i still coach i would yell at them jump up and down and scream like it did something or my team did something that's normal or rolls down the hill because two weeks till we had a group of young it's that suddenly come up in their horse around like young kids do somebody gets hurt is going to be a liability issue certainly to the school district possibly to the towns hillside and it's a four foot fence that even i can still are the guy who's going to come and check my backyard who's going to check my heart up check in the back window to see if anybody's there there's a security aspect from my standpoint and the difference in this past month has been you've never had people advocating for thirty five years on your side because no one would want to sit there watching game in it hopefully they didn't if you are bleachers and they would rather sit in the bleachers were rather be close to the field while the parking lot creates a buffer and a person would want to be an ideal side but the bleachers are installed just so i think once they are in they maybe there have been concessions or there's a place to get water or go to the restroom people migrate to the bleachers i think i think just since now there's really nowhere even for the baseball games to sit we've taken away all the right that it's a critical we create a problem temporarily while we already have that problem little that quite frankly when stock was up there usually a platform yes i remember that they filmed from actually that all attract people this is just a little bit different because two things it was always resonance that reusing and i didn't have nearly the problem that if we start bringing in competition and so forth and it's probably going to get a little bit different when the lights and sound system go on and night but i am concerned that the the record is going to use in every weekend now and i have people at my yard or again it legally parked last saturday or last sunday were everybody parked in the virus on because all the slots were taken that's the ear the entitle and appropriately placed in addition to which ultimately you get the bleachers built in then you can measure were the traffic is going to be because both of those things once an affirmative option to move people down to very well and i know they do with you know it's all one community here and i think that everyone's on the same page and if there is an issue you know we had we would agree to do whatever it takes in order to solve the problem if there is crowd control signage in for united signs don't work in a requires  fence to be put up to make a barrier there may only be a four foot fence just a ring or a lot of them just something to stop them from going up there doesn't have to be an eight foot high ten thousand dollar fence but if but it may have to be something else that fits in that area to prevent it from going  back to a fence because i don't want to take the table because if it's been a person this way i think these residents have some serious knowledge concerns and if if there is not proper police why should we put additional manpower police to take care of somebody else's problem we put a fence up now from a get away so what i'm trying to say what the ability for us to require the school district they were very going to put retaining walls in everything else on a hillside and they were all redesigned in the parking lot was changed in order to address that the the cost of that fence is obviously excessive khaleesi give us a number i can't give you an exact number but i can give you the distances i think is two hundred fifty feet eight foot tall screened fence ten to fifteen thousand dollars i would imagine in that neighborhood the the other point was that it didn't seem to serve a purpose to us any wasn't to prevent that problem there was other issues we talked about in order to solve that problem so it just became that it seemed to be useless that same eight foot high fence also is exact same fence they were using on the baseball field so obviously as a trade off we can an eight foot two hundred fifty foot long fence from here and put a brand new fencing on a baseball field basically is is a relocation save the taxpayers of peter's township fifteen thousand dollars and get a new fence on a baseball field that's part of the reason i do understand if scuttle away and shrugged in a way that's not going to be an issue i still think the site has been there i don't know that anyone there's ever been a fence before and no one jumped over the fence in the past and if they do if they do start using that hillside we need to force it and i don't have any doubt in my mind that our athletic department will have the proper supervision or prevent it from happening i cannot speak for the rec department but i do i can fix one school district standpoint there are grants with them are to restrict their use of the facility so that lighting is in use by certain days times the day or night that sound is not used by the rec department on certain days that we've already come to these agreements so we've been we've been forced those rules on the rect apartments additional ruling rules that require them to have field management and not police necessarily but individuals whether volunteers whether they're to coaches or whoever might be to understand the importance of protecting that the the the free zone between us and the resident residential community i think need to be emphasized and they understand because we share facilities all the time and they follow the rules in a gymnasium so they follow the rules in our swimming pools they follow the rules and all of our other outside fields so every once in a while we have issues and we get together and solve them and this is one of those times we could do that i think we could do it cooperatively and if it fails then it's then it's shows that we haven't reached the level of cooperation we think we have with those with those agencies and if it would happen on a sunday  was going to be an appearance issue hillside actually grows in may actually have a nice appearance to it at some point i think a four foot fence just as a barrier would be the backup alternative i would suggest it just doesn't work with the shrubbery and so i don't i don't think that would be an issue be a lot less expensive we can install it in a location that would deal with so the cars on bump into when they pull over the over the chocks and i think that i think that may be an alternative that we can come back and revisit if we need to hopefully we don't have to revisit it all but if we have to some other barrier to prevent people from just migrating up the else i could probably be it could be and i think ed's point is probably could be addressed and create personally i don't know that people would sit on that but a fence eighteen feet above the filled with across a parking lot in the dark personally i would want to be up there when the sun starts to go down for some of the things that we just talked about in the afternoon i guess you're probably up before christmas we're already five months behind on it because of weather conditions and contractor issues so i would appreciate then i think that that can be brought forward again and we can really just if we to be reasonable  the build the opposite side of the field were designated as temporary or portable with you which to me would imply i bet they're not more than maybe five or six feet high anybody that wants to get a the other issue i don't know that it's necessary to be and which fits but which seems to be consistent with what's been put up around the rest of the field however the four foot fence i think the emission of the eight foot fence at experience when the fields were first put out of the police finally came on put up signs out of worship of the property that has eliminated that but one of the other neighbors told me that he's having people come through his yard out parking lie easier to have a chav finish including and fence while a contractor is here on site as opposed to expecting him to come back in six months and duplicate that fence extension have someone fresh level that would fit in with to go back to school districts excess so if this motion is going to be made and second i think there needs to be some time frame where these these residents can come back at the problem persists is is the field  seats or something like that of the property just using the exact same type of fence if the condition and the time for staff unacceptable are ever looks like it's just your basic black black aluminum square construction media i don't know the answer that but i wouldn't make that assumption injection units with at least fifteen feet i have reviewed it with our building inspector and our fire chief they knew they had a letter from them dated april twenty sixth and they have no plane came in and duplexes the planet they came back to us with was detached downtown patti hounds with a minimum distance of six feet apart in some still be sprinkled it does this even if you were to build them fifteen before you go to because there's a condition already established condition number five of the condition we use decisions that require because ok but anyhow we were required we lived in the village typo's to have a sprinkler system and we pay a monthly fee for that and we were just hoping since the close of the properties that even if you do have a single family home that can be sprinters in all of them as from a safety standpoint a safety feature some of the homes might be as i'm finding out tonight because i wasn't we weren't able to come to the last minute because we were notified but  would be a safety feature and also maybe on the back into through a solid point you know we pay about thirty dollars a month to have that some monitoring of as required by the township so over a ten year period if i sell it from now is it going to be i is a buyer going to say you know i want to buy this house versus your house because we don't have to be monitors so it's just more of a safety feature but again too could be a something that may be somebody wouldn't want to do this is hard see here this is the property as it exists today this is five to five circle drive has a house here in a detached garage over here this is ozone our dash to take this portion of the five to five circle drive property which is point eight seven acres and zone that c two they want to leave this portion of five to five sir circle drive as residential but they want to this is the way the proposal is coming to us they want to leave it as part of the funeral home property you want to leave this back portion part residential then leave it with five to five circle drive don't split it the there's a slight difference this this is where mr buy now or would like to see two line staff would like to see it closer to the existing c two line on the property this is the existing c t line we've been we slid it over even fifty feet and then brought it up so from a planning standpoint you know that the fact that this property right here is that by now our funeral home see two property in this detached right it's right here we don't see a problem with rezoning that in making that seat if it's in line with the commercial zoning to the south this is a furniture store here we don't see any negative negative impacts to the neighborhood so that's  request we would just like to see it done this way keep the party want to keep presidential keep with the house and don't make it part of the commercial property and try to keep this seat to line as close as possible to the seat tonight to the south with that that's gas recommendation i know mr buy never wants to discuss with he why he would like to lease keep this c t line here i think we convinced him to keep the our one with the our one and the only disagreement that we have is that he's got this one line here and we've got a little slow so the remaining done he would combine that in make his funeral home property all one big property as this is configured to see that would become one property right now it's one too so if it's redone he would combine it make one and then he would come at the same time submit a revised site plan where he could access this detached garage from his commercial parking lot so that he would be going through the neighborhood with his funeral and vehicles how do you respond to mr pyne hours practical concerns  sash response with respect to this turning read it it just seems like such a practical thing he's asking for he owns all the property he says and it just seems like a very practical thing he's asking use in any instance you could have you know circumstances in particularly with the drainage we have around here so i dunno i tend i tend to go with the idea that he's requesting and what i'm trying to say for that particular area and so we don't have rises coming back here again we're going to make a change to this particular zone and i think we should consider putting some restrictions on that if we're legally permissible to d vehicles in there we have other space for the garage we have in our present building and so we'd like to be able to store vehicles over there and also be able to store some more inventory as far as caskets to take up a lot of space this would make that something is possible for us to do in this particular we went through such an ordeal with the whole crematory issue and we're looking a little piece here just this little piece of the reason i'm not saying your existing building but this little area that if we can have and i think it go point making that restriction on me because that will enable but that was my argument about the situation because i don't want to see a crematorium in the mall appear but remember what i told you ok a twelve by twelve room can qualify for a from well not really because i mean i'm sure i could relocate it on my own property as it exists right now without this additional property i mean if we can come up with some wording that makes you feel comfortable i have no intention of putting one there but i would not really want to have to have and i'm not going to restriction imposed upon me and no one else in the town i don't think we're i don't think we're we want to do that to you right i think what i'm trying to say is we're asking that site and he has had discussions with the owners it's actually to us that would be mine and so i guess the discussion today is now it's a few things primarily review set back so really the actual build a little area on the site is fairly small in order to get a code compliant parking lot of at the front of the site here there really is not a lot of room for the building so that actually keeps the size of the building relatively small we've designed it right now in a way we're showing a footprint which does not require any adjustments to the setbacks it doesn't require we heard stepping over any of the lines we talk to  understanding that other similar types of retail use would be acceptable in the future and obviously we could put together a list but he's hoping maybe we can do is to make a list of things that are specifically not required t us so if we could get a list of things you know we understand i think we're trying to understand what you want the site to be used for we understand some of the previous applications for this site and some of the reasons why that didn't work out and may have had to heavy water usage we understand that there's that there are water concerns here may have had to do with a desire to not have a kind of fast food type of location because i just so we want to work with you to understand what we would not want to see here but obviously a retail setting those types of businesses can turn over so i think he would like to have some understanding that yes if i go through with the comfort of building on this difficult site that other similar types of use would be  e to them the other thing that we wanted to make sure everyone was aware of because we would be asking either for a change to zoning board to use variance we well and we've gone through the process of starting to get some initial construction cost estimates and obviously we're trying to balance between you know the sort of over and above the cost of building a building like this with you know negotiations with the cost of oil and of the owners  t we're thinking of doing more work we've got a set up for now is a steel frame which would basically frame adak up at the level of the parking lot and we would put some sort of that's the sort of strategy that we would go so you know we haven't gotten into what the nature bench meeting will be but you know we're going to be responsible architects about that and we're going to study up and down and there's there's really no other way to do it sells if that site is where the game develops hey that's the building it would be you know there are different uses that are allowed now in difficult to find people who want to potential clients for those except it uses and so the retail use seems to always come back out and if it was that re through the process how would you see that sort of variance issue or this sort of wording of that be you know be addressed so that i think what mister when we originally sent the budget in two thousand and eleven it was one hundred thousand dollars that was before we had our kickoff workshop and really tried to really kind of detail about laying out why a process we wanted and what  also gives us a better sense of what we need for this community so one hundred thousand dollars honestly was probably a little bit it was love the one sixty three in terms of the man hours of the liber going to mean fourteen hundred hours to get this job done just to give them what i'm saying six forty we think maybe that ninety pounds really appetising that we think they really underestimate how much time it's going to take to delve into the badges is about ninety seven eight and then you have the second one which is the am alice now i think and at this stage for the purpose of making the