and for us in how our economy of course we take great pride in the great labor leaders we've had from the tom yagis recently retired and not many people i know  move to adopt the resolution and title congratulating cameron henry for winning gold medals at the two thousand and fifteen australian open in the two thousand and fifteen u s national taekwondo championships it's our second the motion thank you key haye captured gold medals at the australian open in melbourne australia in june and at the twenty fifteen usa taekwondo national championships in austin texas in july and whereas cameron has to first t team and whereas these competitions are recognised by the world taekwondo federation which created the technical standards for the korean martial art for the olympic games  remains committed to pursuing her dream of qualifying for team usa to compete in to talk you olympics games in twenty twenty whereas under the guidance of her coaches matt gunter kitchen and master myles kidman of kids men's taekwondo center cameron has worked billet diligently for the past nine years to train physically and mentally by up holding the five will have bought pride and honor to the people of the colony a mali now therefore be it resolved by the council of the colony in mali one did it here by congratulates cameron henry for winning gold medals at the australian open in the twenty fifteen usa taekwondo national championships and to that certified copies of this resolution be transmitted to cameron henry her mother  who has defeated or surpassed all rivals in a competition especially in sports to be a champion means not only bringing your best on the day of competition but continually developing and improving both physical skills and mental discipline over the course of many years a champion is one who skipped fun events and went to practice who has endured injuries and learned from the feats cameron completed competed in the australian open in melbourne her first international competition determined to give her very best she brought focus and self control to each bout telling herself to concentrate take one at a time when the match and go to the next one she met olympians and she knew she wanted to be one of them she then went on to texas won in the gold medal by beating all the other competitors in her weight bracket and becoming the first athlete from maui to win a national championship in a black belt world class division during the team trials portion of the competition she withdrew due to a knee injury and about against a girl she had beaten earlier in the semifinals which officially made her the u s junior national b team member however she has been selected to represent team usa and compete as the official u s junior national team member in the pan am junior t wondo championships in mexico cameron is here with us today because no matter what the challenge she never gives up she knows what it takes to excel in her sport and knows how to bring it when it counts with the help and guidance of or coaches masters gunter and miles kiff men cameron plans to train for and compete in the olympics and i've no doubt she will succeed she leaves tomorrow for mexico and we wish her all the best i asked members for their full plus years ago when i earned my black belt in taekwondo and so i understand the hard work of the injuries that occur but in the competition of the dedication and and yes the perseverance through it all so  congratulations it's more than i've ever gotten in my you know stint at taekwondo but it's such a wonderful sport lays a great foundation for young adults to become very great prominence and successful adults and i've seen it go through our little school in la you know how schools taekwondo and the children that came through the ranks have just excelled in life so congratulations to cameron and her of course family and coaches and everyone that makes it happen but it really is that indomitable spirit within her that has persevered to make her successful as successful as she is and i can see she will continue on so congratulations and you know making us proud families your big supports your coaches and your teammates also and contribute a great deal to your success but it's your perseverance as i mentioned earlier and you continue continued desire to be the best that has driven you to this point and i can feel that not only my wee county the state of hawaii and the united states can be all full of proud of what you've achieved peace keep up the good work we wish you good luck in your  next endeavor and most importantly remember no matter what happens it's not the way you played but the way you finished good luck publish thank you letters any further discussion and just like to add my congratulations for the all the accomplishments and the hard work and the support of your coaches and your parents and thank you again for making my wee proud  i'm good thank you would you like them to come and to have the vote oh yes i'm getting a little ahead of myself seen this any further discussion members see none all those in favor be saying i just wanted to say thank you all for having me and i really appreciate you guys recognizing my accomplishment i leave for mexico tomorrow and i promise i'll do my very best make my more proud and you'll see me in the twenty twenty  this is a copy of the resolution you got the official signed one after spend past so congratulations i want to thank the council and especially council member for recognizing our athlete cameron and i would also like to thank my wife and my son were a big part  she started as a six year old and she was probably the most unlikely to become a champion because it looked like she had two left legs in the beginning and not very she was not very coordinated so she's really a testimony for perseverance and indomitable spirit she never gave up she had many injuries that she had to overcome and always bounce back here and now she is the cha agenda items we've established limited telephone interactive communication that enables individuals from honolulu to provide testimony from the district offices individuals who wish to offer testimony from should now sign up with the district office staff individuals who wish to offer testimony in the chamber please sign up a guest located on the eighth floor lobby just outside the chamber door testimony at all locations is limited to the items listed on today's agenda and pursuant to the rules of the council each testifier is allowed to testify for up to three minutes with one minute to conclude if requested when testifying please state your name and the name of any organization you represent hano office please identify yourself and introduce your first test thank you not your office please identify yourself and introduce your first testif but we have been working diligently on the point that we've been making good progress and i can tell you that so far we have a very good point but it's not complete we've had  we have a very passionate community there is very concerned about the future of the file and we have to provide the opportunity for them to provide testimony so we're asking you to take a look at was to take the point that we really have and really turned it into a great product and i would create appreciate your support i can tell you that planning department has been doing an excellent job would like to provide testimony as well thank you very much and i counsel thank you mr chicken members any need for clarification of chicken's testimony see none thank you very much for your testimony this morning for and okayed october thirtieth two thousand and fifteen my reason for supporting that particular extension is because of the hurricane and the cancellation of meetings and also the fact that there are important issues that need to be addressed by the community and as a community member i think we need a little bit more time to sit back members have been diligently working very very hard with the community and i believe that we are at the tail end completing the task that has been given to them thank you thank you this committee clearly peters members of the need for clarification thirtieth i think that the additional time well a lot more people in the community could be involved in a broader and broader sectors and that will create more community support in by and it will also allow us to involve more people  you will take one more test to fire before we proceed with the other testifies and we will return to you shortly thereafter please introduce your next guest to fire her fire is carr an article in time or i just going to take the entire community to make the molokai community plan a reality people need to feel like they're part of the plan to get ownership interest in the choir and so you're more likely to make it a engage them all a high community what better way to get ownership interest and be more likely to make it a reality it makes perfect that not enough there is more rationale for the need for community input based on what now county that was followed by true public workshop event here in three october second sixteen twenty ten where a total of one hundred twenty four attended forty percent attending both eight fifty for two days and seventy four for one day and the cultural resources fourteen there is no doubt on agenda and therefore from their website there is a confirmed one hundred sixty four people total who participated in all the advanced community involvement benetta partially two point two percent based on the number provided in the twenty can residential population of seven thousand three hundred forty five but planning directors or overview of community planning process presented august nineteenth twenty fifteen in powerpoint form quote between twenty  fourteen that in public workshops were held up to sixteen i work i e residencies handed planning conducted one hundred forty five one on one interviews with rather than the community involvement two hundred fourteen people approximately two point nine willing and able to do the task there is an opportunity to come together to employ the planning committee and to create can be proud of and to set a president for working together successfully we grant the october thirtieth extension most other testifies will return to you shortly mr cho we have eight individuals who have signed up to testify in the council chamber the first person to testify and it chamber is lauren pang m d with the district health office to be followed by shiela eakins mr pang will be testifying on committee report ready good morning everyone good morning i'm lauren pang i speak for my office today not as a private citizen the bill before you or the proposal before you is to parent smoking in bus stops i just wanted to i agree with everything the department of health sent they sent me here to represent them ask some questions i just wanted to put this whole thing in a little bit of perspective at the turn of the millenia they were naming people of the century i guess albert einstein was the man of the century and they came up with the shame of the century and it was the un the regulation or non regulation of cigarettes and kind of we learned from that lesson and since then we've done nothing on the federal level the f d a is still a little bit not fully allowed to regulate cigarettes there was a slight modification but that really doesn't impact anyone as you heard from us today a lot of things have to be taken into the hands of the counties and the counties and the states no real well how to reduce the cigarette consumption either tax it you ask the medical community to repeatedly badger the patients please don't smoke please don't smoke try to open their eyes and the final thing is this the environmental ban it makes it inconvenient it re norm for cigarettes and tobacco i think we will continue on for the next century to be the greatest shame of the century again we failed to regulate it at least at a federal level the thing about east cigarettes it was added to the bus stop also if you watch very carefully cigarettes are poorly regulated it's not the mechanism which occasionally does explode and it's what you put in it that is on regulated and if you look forward maybe twenty fifth or fifty years that is either going to be regulated the components you put in or we're going to end up with two sheens of the century so i would just leave it at that and open it to questions  thank you so much for those responses i guess the real question with secrets that you brought up is the fact that we added later because i believe it's the next scourge yes but it's the chemicals that are put in i'm not talking the coloring and then some of the sweetness which kids of any sick and even die when i'm talking to various chemicals added to satisfied than the need of the brain for the chemicals that's what you're referring to which then affects your body in many other where he's yes that's exactly one of the target chemicals was to put in nicotine to satiate the craving of nicotine if you don't put it in what would you know that the nicotine patch satiates the craving for the nicotine cigarette now the real objective is the the cigarettes nicotine is a big colt's it's a rush it's a big hit we are addicted to the hit to come off it you will weaned off it and that has to be very carefully controlled with the pot in the east cigarette since they want to put nicotine to try to withdraw off the cigarette if you don't do it very carefully you turns out you stimulate more of a craving for the bigger hit so this is a very double edged sword in theory it can be done in practice it can be done but it better be the nicotine part better be very very well regulated the other thing is you can put anything else you want in it but we're just talking about nicotine today so this thing that only helps you wean off yeah in some cases when in council members my name is sharon akins and i'm speaking on bill number sixty amending chapter nineteen point three zero a now it can be code of ordinance relating to road signs stan farmers markets in agricultural districts i've been an honored visitor of maui for nine years now i chose rules own and route my home in cooma beautiful up country cooler for the beauty climate and rural agricultural character i have been blessed with great landlords the yoshi motel family we are jason to agricultural land and are a basically residential neighborhood i'm speaking neither for or against this bill but rather presuming concerns as a resident of an area that has has and will be affected even more when this bill becomes law i'm also speaking in strong support for farmers and farm in the meran three of his agency directors finance director x a log planning director spence and d m v director bill apparently decided to do a trial run on this bill over two years ago in aug twenty thirty and they licensed a commercial food truck restaurant on wheels to operate on an ag zone county right of way less than fifty feet from the windows and doors of my home the food trainer owned by the leas a farm in farmer's market directly across the street from my home appeared without any prior notice no special use no land use permit was applied for or granted residents within five hundred feet were not notified and this resident less than fifty feet away was given no warning of what was to come the food truck began operating on the actual farm property in august twenty thirty nine and operated with a loud generator on the ag land farm until twenty thirteen october twenty thirty nine for two months when they were then moved to the right of way where the finance director had licensed them to operate with a loud generator and tell my landlords contacted the health department noice control division they later hooked a food truck up with electricity all surrounding neighbors are aware of these violations of maui county code of ordinance food truck operate seven days a week ten hours a day over night i lost my home as i knew it replaced by noise traffic safety concerns pollution drug use arrests police that as finance director he can play some through truck on any county right away and there is no ordinance stating how close to home it can or cannot be he also asked me why i am trying to take the livelihood of the food truck operators own way from during the meeting i informed them both of the drug use happening on county property two weeks later on november third police police department corners were on the county right of way arresting one staff of the food truck and two customers taking confiscating pipes and drugs when i contacted mr x a lot two days later he again stated to to report their rescue again stated you're still trying to take the libel hood of the food truck operators away mr axelrod had no choice but to hold a revocation hearing for the license of the truck on twelve sixteen six weeks later the food truck remained open until the hearing i attended the hearing and presented evidence of my county court of ordinance by a lay show that this food truck should never have been placed there without a special use land use permit i also miss simply can ask that they relocate the food truck to a commercial business district is a concern can you provide a concluding comment please you've exhausted your four minutes but i just wanted to let you know that according to the ordinance that's before you bill sixty doesn't deal with food trucks and it actually in order to even have a something similar to this which would be a three hundred square what roadside stand have to have a connection with the land which means that the ordinance says it has to have  food and products must be grown on the property as well as the the owner of the property is the one that owns the food stand i mean the road stat so this is this road this  food trucks is ness is not part of the ordinance so just mention and he stated the point that the road to the farm stands is somewhat different from this but i get a see the similarity and just to hopefully set her might your mind at ease that i am he getting issues in regards to food trucks in my neighborhood of honolulu right now so i think i'll try to look into how can we assist with this type of situation that seems to be occurring in many parts of our county to address clarification members see none thank you for being here this morning mr clerk next justify your sin and see to be followed by a tie good morning retail and restaurants onto our our agricultural zone property so we're trying to keep all of our commercial and retail in our business core of hanukkah so that the entire community benefits from it not just a few transients or tourists that are there outside and of course the danger of creating you know another jungle strip mall or or more commercial outside of our town we're we're working with the county with trying to get some  certified kitchen sit at some of our road stand if they want to do food they may we're also working with some other ha and so community programs to to create emergency services to our airport there is no traffic control there is no public facilities there is no street lights so that added traffic to these areas which has kind of exhaust you know some of the gist of increased traffic in these areas another thing is that it's really close to some of our cultural and significant sites so we didn't want to infringe which it's not like we want to control our or visiting our visitors go but we do want them to the kind of respect the areas then we want them to visit these areas but we don't want them to stop and we want them to you know we're still working our infrastructure in hama so we're asking that you be exempt from the am not sure the number who came in and actually way said the exact opposite that they shouldn't patna and at they should we should have asked them to participate no more and i cannot recall who this young lady was when she specifically said that she thought han a shouldn't be exempt so why is the difference in and is that widespread or just a few people yes we're asking part of the amendment that you heard was that to keep it at three hundred fifty square feet we do not we are allowing to i mean we can allow them to grow their own food says the danger of bringing in products and produce from other areas beside honna to bring those in they could sell you know actually create a retail store there we're not saying stop or stop your selling your produce we encouraged at it we want  today and we want to support them by by maybe creating a farmer's market they're closer to town and again so that we all can benefit right now because they're outside of the town a lot of it is just transients traffic in our tourist it stop not necessarily our who know our community members access these places so we encourage them to they can still do pressing that we just keep it small and we just want to be responsible with the construction and with you know just the plans of of doing this on on a glance i don't know what kind of regulations or the county has set forth in conjunction with this bill a lot of these products are flown in from out of country and made to made of the issue and what what really baffles me the most is when i went to hina and i presented the issue and one of the bigger issues was you guys wanted more commercial kitchens district areas now if you want to be exempt from this ordinance and go with the amendment you're proposing which basically says three hundred square feet and no value added products that pretty much shuts down your commercial kitchens because you won't be able to utilize those commercial kitchens on the other issue was all of those i guess retell structure say you're talking about alongside honna highway are not grandfathered in and the way i look at it if you match up the criteria of this ordinance to those that are existing i think there's not going to make the mustard they won't be able to be in existence so there's a lot of checks and balances that are set forth in the ordinance so i'm not i'm kind of confused on where you guys all stand over there because you know i get a fifty fifty split it's good for the good for economic development but yet you don't want other products from malory because the ordinance basically limits products only from maui so you don't want any other area from the hyena or or central maui to to sell their jams and jellies and and i bred and hin if you were to keep the amendment as it is the way you want it only produce grown on the property can be sold no value at it don't put in flour don't put in sugar don't even make banana bread over there because the way you guys why it's purely fruits so that's all i'm saying is that i think you really need to look at what is going to benefit a honda and was going to hurt on an area that's up to you guys you know  we've got a couple of years early festivals that we have and we always welcome those products then the festivals are community driven the festivals are organized the festival benefit our nonprofits in  so we always welcome those products into an a but they're their central their we inviting the whole town it's a whole festival thing it's not something that's outside of the community and  sometimes we still want to follow the protocols and procedures of a community that is that is tight knit that we want to control not necessary but at least have a say of of things a properties one of lands that first reading so i don't know where you where you being split we've our community i don't know which is this is our disses what we're asking and i'm bringing it to the working on at the church a nearby church we have a so we want to include some of our farmers so that they can sell their produce there and which is the fear of of this our sacred sites and are kind of worried about where where commercial happens in these areas thank you she thank you members any other turf cation needed see none thank you very much for there's about seven businesses already we see show pictures of what a foot stand looks like now we got a pizza coming up we have a jewelry store along the area coastline at our beautiful highway which is designated as a national build a new highway for the state of hawaii we feel this bill allows people who own agricultural any type of building businesses along this agricultural line i don't want to see our area looking like north shore of wall who wants not sure was very beautiful the beauty of nature this is one of the main attractions that you guys of put for molly county when they come to a molly what you think all they go do is sailing all the commercial stuff so that all our area and our people can enjoy the businesses in one place not to have businesses all in up and down our coastline and that's a concern so i call it my l if i  anybody by my words but i'm just speaking from and speaking for my people and on them so thank you thank you mr time members and the need for clarification see none thanks for being way he made the comment that i mean come on the guy is like going to the country i thought wow why although we are part of maui county our economy and extension until october thirtieth two thousand and fifteen intent by my support for the time extensions to provide additional time for review of a final document by the community and the sea power and not just to make up for missed meetings also it provides relief from our recent back to back to back meetings to deal with missed meetings i also support the county council to consider in the future amending two point zero b point zero nine zero c concerning community plans to pack period of time to conduct meetings extended from one hundred eighty days to three hundred sixty days or some other suitable time extension this case all similar issues with upcoming offices in the rest of the county that i'm fighting cannot be fixed with more bad planning because of how or this process fails thank you for your time thank you very much mr jenkins i think it's important to point out that once this is submitted my understanding is that goes to the planning commission which has another hundred eighty days so the total review time amounts to the three hundred sixty that you're you brought up earlier and what i really appreciate your being here this morning there was a need for clarification i made no response to your statement your wife sure i appreciate the comment and i guess my only intent with making that statement i understand the time frame you're talking about with the being referred to the dmo guy planning commission my intent was chair was that because of how far behind we are in the assessment information that impacts so many things to our community that it's very difficult to get all the community input to make to get that information to assess for us to make those rational decisions and so when we turn a document over to the multiplying commission we want to earn their respect and the number one way i think we can earn that is that when we submit that our our drought to the community plan to the planning commission which later goes to you guys that they can look at us and know that that included comprehensive and adequate community  introduce your next justif good morning tear in council members my name is sonia nice and i am with the coalition for it's a back of free home eat and i'm here to express my support for a smoke free bus stops as we heard dr paying earlier the testifying today it's a really important issue it's there to help protect our community a lot of the bus users come from all walks of life but particularly families elderly and youth and we really want to help protect them and while they're sitting there waiting for the buses to come there are studies that show that second hand smoke levels in some outdoor settings are comparable to second hand smoke levels and indoor settings especially in areas where people congregate such as a bus stop tobacco use and secondhand smoke are still the same leading causes of death and disease in the united states it is still an issue that we have to face even though it's been a long battle and we have made some pretty incredible grounds in terms of policy legislation we also really support the inclusion of electronic smoking devices into the pill we feel that's a really important piece as we look to the future we see a lot of youth especially in hawaii are using electronic smoking devices about double the national average and it's a real issue specially as mr dr paying  noted the nicotine levels in there are quite addicting we see smoke free transit stops as a growing trend both nationally and locally a while who passed a similar bill not too long ago and implementation has for the most part been pretty smooth process we hope to see that here we look forward to working with state and county agencies and other organizations to implement this policy should it pass and appreciate your time thank you thank you good morning council members monday morning liam williams spends on the planning director for maui county i appreciate i'm testifying on five dash two to seven thank you council for taking this up and at such a short notice the what we proposed to you hertz sent to you on august twenty seventh was two resolutions regarding the day extension of time for the pact to complete their work the first resolution is for to end at for them to complete their work by by the end of october they this was their formal request and they took a vote on this they said they needed four more meetings and to end at the end of october we did miss some meetings due to hurricanes g hilda and as test fire said we did err on the side of caution and safety and therefore council these meetings we also made them up to the meetings last week  i also prepared another resolution for the council's consideration i know that this is for convenience of the council i know that it the full council doesn't like to debate these things on the floor so this was you know like a menu of choices if you would like and if you if the council so decided that two months additional time was was too much we thought that into tional thirty days to the end of september that would be certainly sufficient for staff but and and certainly you have heard this morning that members of the communities preference so i am available for questions  that pretty much concludes my testimony thank you mr spence members they need for clarification especially thank you very much chair and thank you very much mr spence for being here this morning and thank you for the menu of had meetings back to back like will fly over on a wednesday morning have a wednesday evening meeting and a thursday evening meeting rather than flying back and forth back and forth taking advantage of that time and thereby  trying to consolidate travel expenses etc we're also conscious because these are evening meetings we are paying over time and that runs through approved budgets very quickly thank you very much i just wondered if that was something that we should really be worried about it but it sounds like something you can handle if we go to the end of october that's certainly it's certainly a consideration  if we have to amend our budget you will we will be glad to come see you i'm sure you will thank you very much members any other need for clarification thank you for being here this morning mr thank you name is eve hogan i'm a member of the agro group and the owner of the sacred garden on maui good morning when i was a schoolteacher i taught summer school for a gifted and talented class of sixth graders and one of the themes for that particular summer school was future communities and so i signed the kids the task of creating their own future community and one of the very specific assignments was to make sure that a food source was included so you can imagine my dismay as my brilliant class of students all made sure that there was a safe and a cost and i want mark in their city to get food and i raised this point for obvious reasons it's not only will this bill bill sixty help support and keep farmers in business but having small farm stands on actual farms where our children and our legislature slater's are able to see our agriculture actually comes from will support a healthier community now i know that at this point that's not even the issue it's what happens in hannah and i my heart goes out to you on this i empathize with sharon's testimony but i want to separate the issue of food truck which was not what this bill is about and drug deals which is also not what this bill is about my farm was a drug haven before i bought it and i put in a commercial ag venture on it has completely cleaned up the neighborhood and the noise from tractors and the smell from pigs which you would have encountered if that truck wasn't there might have also disturbed her life or her residential area so ag and residential is a challenge no matter what i just want to also say that the ag working group is a group of cut volunteer farmers who have spent several years on this bill we've gone over it in it out of it over again through and through and in no where in no way does this bill support a mcdonald's or a food you know long as drugs or any kind of commercial venture other than specifically a very small agricultural malory county and property agricultural products stand to support the farmers in the community so i am pathetic with your difficulty here i don't want to see the road turned into a strip mall either but i don't think if anybody takes the time to truly read this book that that's what it permits so thank you for your consideration your time and your very difficult job thank you thank you ms holden re good morning good morning mr chair and members of the council my name is kelly pauly cruz i am a business owner and a member of the board of directors at go maui gomel he is a nonprofit nonpartisan nonprofit organization focusing on housing jobs water agricultural economic opportunity and infrastructure needed to sustain a strong economy better paying jobs and a vibrant housing market i'm testifying today on behalf of go molly on the agenda item fifteen one two three and we are in support of the county of the council action to refer to the housing legislation introduced by council member robert carrol to the various maui county planning commissions this rift will give the community the opportunity to review and to comment on the legislation and also the i but sooty to convey to our policymakers the ever growing crisis to in the need for affordable workforce housing we believe the intent of this proposed bill is to generate affordable housing within residential districts provide incentive to create additional affordable housing relax lan use and zoning standards to provide affordable housing and to make it easier for families to keep their family homes specifically the legislation will reduce the lot size requirement from seven thousand five hundred square feet to five thousand square feet to build and ohana for affordable housing purposes in closing on behalf of i'd like to thank the council for continuing to wrestle with this issue of affordable housing and good morning council members good morning it's always nice to be in this house i feel very warm very safe and very protected here and it's only because of all of you today i'd like to be able to testify o behalf of faced molly regarding recommending the adoption of a resolution referring to the panic commission's a proposed bill establishing a new use category called affordable access accessory d as increasing the fordable rental housing inventory of maui county yesterday i sat in these chambers as we do you talked about housing and how much the isn't and how much there is a need and yet to have this this measure before us i think is very timely but also that face does appreciate the council's wisdom including these people of my way to be able to help in providing this much needed rentals as part of helping in our community through the passage of this measure so i think it's a great opportunity i mean can you imagine if  have like just for example i don't know how many people hold their own son on lots between four thousand and eight thousand square feet but can imagine we just took a number out of the air let's say a thousand people owned and they all wanted to be able to put in excess three dwelling you've just got a thousand more parental units so i wanted to be able to just bring attention to the maori county code chapter nineteen point three five point one one zero where talks about affordable housing accessory dwellings and it says that that it's going to be built to accommodate immediate family members related to the application by blood adoption or marriage including the spouse or children siblings etc and one of the things here in hawaii that i think when we to follow about things is that we seem to put issues on one side and the culture on the other when we and we should be able to learn how to weave those things together and this is what i was going to talk about in this particular  chapter and verse if you like is that the issue of how night children we still do that today and we still need to recognize that and one of the things would be helpful is if we could recognize it in this particular chapter thank you thank you very none i think you're being here this morning you mr kirk mr chair there are no further individuals signed up to testify in the council chamber if there's any additional individuals in the council chamber or at the district offices who would like to offer testimony please identify yourself to the appropriate staff and proceed to the testimony lectern with the district office phone at this time on office are there any additional testif we received written testimony mr chair we have received written testimony thank you members of the chairwoman of the written testimony to be added to the record thank you and without objections will close and minutes of the regular meeting of july twenty fourth twenty fift dead recommends that resolution entitled authorizing settlement of hawaii wildlife on et al versus county of civil number twelve dash zero zero one nine eighty s o m b m k b adopted skousen thank you chair on august seventh two thousand and fifteen and august twenty fifth two thousand and fifteen your committee met to consider a proposed resolution to authorize the department of corporation counsel to settle hole y wildlife fund at all versus county of maui civil number twelve as zero zero one nine eight s o m b m k your committee notes that the first amended complaint in the case alleges violations under the federal water pollution control act also known as the clean water act and other laws arising out of the county's operation of the injection wells at the law in a waste water reclamation facility and your committee also further notes that the council previously authorized settlement of this case by resolution fifteen dash seventy five a deputy corporation counsel noted that the trial is currently scheduled for november two thousand and fifteen but will be removed from the court calendar if the parties are able to reach a settlement following an executive meeting on the matter your committee voted ninety zero to recommend adoption of the proposed settlement resolution i asked the counsel for the support of your comm one that the resolution untitled authorizing acceptance of a donation of a batting cage to the department of parks and recreation county i'm ali pursuant to chapter three point five six molly county code be adopted and to that county improvements to for the column a park in key hay maui hawaii valued at ninety thousand dollars your committee notes chapter three point five six maui county code requires for acceptance of any gift or donation the coun approval by resolution the donation consists of a structure for batting practice with two hitting areas and a three thousand forty square foot concrete slab including chain link fencing and a metal roof and attached bullpen will also be available for pitching practice the batting cage will be open to the public and maintained by the key hey little league the department will maintain the property outside of the batting cage the project manager further stated that the batting cages schedule is scheduled for opening nov twentieth two thousand and fifteen your committee think shane victorino foundation force generous donation and recommended and recommends the adoption of this resolution and the knows mr clerk for the record resolution fifty one zero eight you have before your committee report number fifty one one six it recommends the resolution entitled urging  the united states congress to pass the industrial hemp farming act of two thousand and fifteen the act would amend the controlled substance act to exclude industrial hemp from its lists of controlled substances thereby allowing its cultivation if approved by that would satisfy county hold requirements your committee recommends adoption of the revised proposed resolution incorporating non substantive revisions i respectfully ask for the councils for support of the committee's recommendations thank you chair thank you resolution fifty one zero nine you have before you from your housing human services and transportation committee committee report fifteen dash one one seven reckoned he recommends to following one that the  entitled a bill for an ordinance amending chapter eight point two zero molly county code relating to prohibiting smoking at county bus stops be passed on first reading and be ordered to print and to that county communication fift be filed biskra oh thank you chair i moved to adopt the recommendations and housing human services and transportation committee report fifteen dash one one seven was to tear a second the motion in from from michael vick to reno to prohibit smoking county bus stop it's your committee notes the proposed prohibition would apply to any county bus stop a stablish pursuant to chapter eleven point zero seven molly county coat the prohibition would encompass area extending out from the bus stop sign and a footprint of the bus shelter in every direction by twenty feet you're committed discussed adding electronic smoking devices such as devices commonly known as east cigarettes to the prohibition a deputy corp consul said the state had recently passed legislation nineteen per n twenty fifteen per and relating to the regulation of tobacco products the state legislature add it you definitions and section three to a dash one h r s for electronic smoking device and tobacco products the state legislature also amended th definition of smoke or smoking by broadening it to mean any hating exceeding burning or carrying any light it or heat it tobacco product or plant product intended for in manner or in any form to include the use of an electronic smoking device one thousand and twenty fifteen per and takes effect january first twenty sixty your committee felt it appropriate to add these stephanie in the proposed bill to expand the prohibition up bus stops include the broader definition of smoking soon to be used by the state which would include a use off an electronic smoking device your committee revised the bill accordingly your committee stressed the importance of protecting the health of bus riders who should be able to wait for the bus without exposure to secondhand smoke on august twenty eighth twenty fifty your committee received correspondence dated august twenty seventh from the director of transportation responding to a question posed by your committee relating to the use of the highway to backup prevention and control trust fun i have provided copies of the correspondence with county clerk and have asked that it be distributed today's meeting you should all have a copy the director states the department has secured two thousand dollars toward the purchase of a bus stop signage related to the smoking prohibition i'd like to think that they wrecked it for her response i ask at this chair for the consul's full support of the motion on the floor thank you mis members any further discussion on the side only see none of those in favor policing fiber saying i was opposed to a no measure passing nine zero knows mr clerk for the record bill number sixty fifteen you have before you from your infrastructure an environmental management committee committee report fifteen one one eight that recommends to following run that the resolution untitled authorizing the consider propose a resolution authorizing the exchange of county property with private property for the purpose of correcting an ownership issue affecting the road on your committee notes pursuant to section three point four four point zero six zero paren eighty be county code the council may offer rise exchanges of real property by resolution approved by two thirds of its members if it finds the exchange to be in the public interest the director of public works inform your committee the physical location of culp healy road is inconsistent with the roads legal description as recorded in the state land court ex executing the proposed exchange will provide the county ownership of the property upon which the road is actually situated your committee notes pursuant to section three point four four point zero seven zero parent am c c an appraisal is required for any sale or disposition of real property in fee simple unless a waiver of their present is off the right by council resolution so the department of public works request waiver of the required appraisal because the properties being xchange are of equal value and because the cost to appraise all the properties could potentially exceed the value of the property lastly your committee notes pursuant to section three point four four point zero six zero parent b m c c public notice of any propose exchange shall be published in each of three successive weeks in a newspaper of general circulation in the county public notice of the exchange was published in the maui news on july twenty first july twenty eighth and august fourth two thousand and fifteen so your committee supported the propose exchange because it will correct the ownership status of the land associated with copy road and ensure public use of the road always seems that the county gets it in the shorts after the fact that the corrections aren't we part of the initial process to make sure it's done appropriately and then we can make appropriate adjustments discussed at the meeting and see no issue and it's i guess coming into compliance with what the actual usage has been since one nine hundred sixty eight and they don't propose in the further expansion development of any kind it is it is tight quarters in that area as it is with the building existing so i'm in favor and i'm looking forward to the passage thank you thank you mister any further discussion see none of those in from agriculture to light industrial for property situated at one o nine east whitehall road look for the proposed like a poor lighting project be passed in first reading and be ordered to print three that the bill is revised entitled route in the vicinity of the subject property to preserve the subject properties viability to address a shortage of portable where holes and traditionally industrial speace to mitigate traffic impacts your committee recommended a condition of zoning be incorporated to restrict the area within which b one b two obese three business district uses would be allowed to no more than two point eight acres fronting eastwick who wrote the condition prohibits apartment ners as well as the consultants because they have brought forth a plan of how much retail space would be available based upon the condition and i was very satisfied with that i believe it's fair and equitable and i will i also want to thank them for their extensive cleanup because that area as you well know well was used as a scrap metal and there was a lot of cleanup that had to be done and they did not  speed yesterday to just run me through the park point and presentation you folks had received while i was away and shed a lot of lay on this project the the all the different lots and how they're utilized and things of that nature so in favor of this forward it's already turning it is industrial so it's in conformance with exist uses in the area so i don't foresee a huge impact in that aspect so again yes i saw the before and after photos of the cleanup and wow they did a tremendous job so it's off to the company and also to the consultants i think it's fair thank you speak in support of the motion before the council this morning with some reservations i truly hope the committee's approach to traffic mitigation work is because usually have barry specific conditions of zoning to make sure that the traffic is address or brutally so i would just say again i hope this approach works very well i use that route a lot and i know what is the work that has been done has made a big difference in the statics of the white coat i will say though i am well i wish they should be no surprise to my colleagues that i have issues with property  watching whether or not this issue i bring up is going to be address in the future thank you but i would agree with some of your concerns that at the same time i think maybe we need to take a look at the requirements of our subdivision process rather than because we're in some respects we're driving people to do  any further discussion members i would agree there's been a significant amount of work done on cleaning up the the site and that type of work is not done without ace huge investment for the record bill numbers sixty three sixty four sixty five twenty fifteen respectively you have before you from your planning committee committee report number fifty one twenty that recommends the county communication fifty one five three be referred to the economic development energy agriculture and recreation committee mr couch they commission a move to adopt the recommendations a committee report fifteen dash one t the plan acquires it a yearly performance report that describes the return resulting from expenditures of public funds or grants that are awarded for the visitor industry your committee noted that no reports have been submitted since december tw twelve when the plan was adopted and expressed an interest in evaluating the public expenditures for the visitor industry committee noted that under the councils rule for standing committees the economic development energy agriculture and recreation committee a are is the more appropriate committee to consider the operate operation of the office of economic development in the oversight of terrorist tourism grants committee recommended that the county communication fifteen dash one five three be referred to the committee  three recommends that the resolution is revised in title referring to the planning commission a proposed bill to amend the comprehensive zoning ordinance to permit affordable accessory dwellings in residential your committee met on august sixth two thousand and fifteen to consider a proposed resolution to refer to the planning commission's a proposed bill relating to affordable accessory drawings the purpose of the proposed  category called affordable accessory drawings which would be allowed in residential districts and on lots of five thousand to seventy four hundred ninety nine square feet the proposed bill is intended to provide for affordable housing for immediate family members or renters with very low to above moderate income levels your committee recommended adoption of the proposed resolution i asked for the members full support thank you mr couch any further discussion mr  mr coach's effort to move this forward since i don't have a sense i believe he to vote on this committee my reservations at this time while i think it's good we allow the commissions to discussion in our various regions i would hope that the do d apartments would participate because i think there's a couple of things that needs to be just besides talking about  unit i think we should also have finance chime in and give the assessment on the real property taxation component so if your primary house is already receiving the homeowner's exemption how do  lot only get one exemption or are going to level multiple units on one lot more to police them sions i think we need to have a sense of how we want to approach that we already have issues i think the department needs to be clear on regions of the county that this kind of proposed legislation makes sense germany if you look our own the existing subdivisions we've got people already parking in front of stop signs t care so they don't have cars they have no room to park on their own lot so there are already impacting on street parking the way it is i can tell you now i know more than half of our fire quit making to go through many streets because of the on street parking situation to respond to emergencies so it's just more than looking at the housing unit it's also looking at how it impacts everything else where we're looking at adding density to try and address  that we did the committee did have a lot of reservations it's quite a few that mr okama expressed and we asked that the planning commissions be thorough in their discussions of those and i certainly if it does come back to the planning committee we will have those folks that mr hall comma has requested because those were a lot of concerns discussed in the in the meeting so we were there where we're on it any further discussion members the chair will just add that i think some of the concerns regarding congestion further congestion being caused by the orleans are very valid and it may be helpful if the plenty department in their reviews with the various commissions brings up the thought of street with it may be that we have to restrict it on certain streets that have don't have adequate width to accommodate on street parking and emergency vehicles at the same time so any further discussion isn't a victory no thank you and  consideration that will come up and once we get it back from the many commission i also think that greed mr carroll that this may be a mechanism for which families can address adapt to their children having some kind of for some kind of dwelling to live in you know what it's a rental and or family purposes i'm all for this but i agree with you we've got to make some adjustments as far as on street parking and maybe in this case we're going to have to say nor on street parking  before your committee report number fifty one twenty four it recommend the following one that the bill untitled a bill for an ordinance amending tamale island plan implementation program be passed on first reading and be awarded to print and to that county communication fifty seventy nine be filed mr couch thank you mr chair i move to adopt the recommendations of committee report fifteen dash one twenty four so i could motion for mr coats with  second for mr carroll the scotch thank you mr chair your committee met on august sixth two thousand and fifteen to consider a proposed bill to amend the mile island long range implementation program by identifying potential revenue sources to support infrastructure improvements the maui planning commission has reviewed the proposed bill and recommended it be passed the bill identifies non general fund revenue sources county departments could access for implementing capital improvements consistent with the mouse plan committee noted that established  meant of some of the revenue sources would require separate state or county legislation your committee recommended passage of the proposed bill on first reading and filing the communication and desists you know the final implement a final thing that needs to make the maoi i don't plan finished it's a little table that was added to that chapter identify some of the potential sources so really appreciate the clerk for the record bill number sixty six to twenty fifteen you have before your committee report fifteen dash one twenty five recommending the following one that the bill is revised and titled the bill for an ordinance comprehensive zoning ordinance to allow family child care homes within the agricultural district be passed in first reading and be ordered to print and to that county communication fourteen dash one seventy five be filed mr coach  were moved to adopt the recommendations in committee report one five desh one to five so it should have a motion from mr couch with a second from mr carroll mr couch thank you mr chair your committee met on august twentieth two thousand fifteen to consider a proposed bill to allow family child care homes located within farm drawings as an accessory use within the agricultural district the planning commission has reviewed the proposed bill and recommended it be passed the proposed bill is consistent with act two one zero in two thousand and fourteen which allows for family child care homes in the agricultural district pursuant to hawaii by statute section forty six dash fifteen point three five your committee recommends passage of the proposed bill on first reading and filing of the communication i respect and i think this appropriate that we support that they go through and make sure that if it's for child care and shout educate school education it is in a safe and acceptable structure is that emotion mr i am asking you if you have no objections no objection of the committee chair that you would entertain that consideration no objections were again where exactly was that for that it would be on page four of the bill which is the last  signify by saying i i was opposed say no the motion to amend passes with night eyes are on those and we're back to mr couch for the main motion any further discussion members any further discussion on the main you have before you from your policy an intergovernmental affairs committee committee report number fifteen dash one twenty six it recommends that the resolution entitled appointment of paul otani to the agricultural part committee be that mr otani is well suited to feel disposition because he has more than forty years of experience as a farmer and has passed service as vice president of the  school co operative exchange and member of the original agricultural park advisory committee mr tunney will represent represent represents from resolution fifteen dash one one three mr chip proceeding with kani communications you have before you cannae communication number fifteen dash two twenty two from the director of finance transmitting to counsel eighty one contracts grants for the month ending july twenty fifteen mr hope comma chairman i would as the members if they have any requests for any specific countr a to be sent to the committee and or its finance responsibilities to make their requests known it's a so say that this time i'm going to request a country five three four seven dish to be referred to committee as well this contract c five seven eight to be referred to committee there's a lot of countries regarding solid ways are very operations so if there's no request and i would ask that all of the contracts as they release to come county communication fifteen dish to two to be filed members of their request for any other countr fifteen dash two to five from council member whole comma transmitting to counsel a proposed resolution entitled approving for inclusion in the twenty sixteen have a state association of counties legislative package is state bil providing the county's greater flexibility in financial investments mr rick you know we still come or probably make the association of counties legislative package for the upcoming two thousand and sixteen legislative session thank you any further discussion members on the waiver see none all those in favor of holcombe in a second from mr victory no mr okama chairman the budget and finance committee did have the opportunity to discuss the subject which is a requesting the state legislature to expand the current  investment tools that the counties can safely invest their short term cash for investment earnings to be more in line and consistent with what the state allows itself in advent and  fifty one one four mr chair the following county communications are recommended to the following committees as noted to your budget and finance committee county communication number fifty two to six from the budget director tr ting to council one a proposed bill entitle the bill for an ordinance amending ordinance number forty one thirty bill number thirty four twenty fourteen relating to the issuance of general obligation bonds of the county of molly cool agricultural park expansion to a proposed resolution and title approving acquisition of one forty eight point three three eight acres for the expansion of the cool agricultural park and three a proposed resolution untitled approving acquisition of two to four point eight acres for the expansion of the cool agricultural park to your planning committee county communication number fifteen dash two to seven from the planning director the community plan advisory committee to review them the draft community plan to your water resources committee county communication number fifteen dash two to eight from the director of water supply transmitting to counsel a propose resolution and titled approving the acquisition of approximately four point three one eight seven acres identified as tax map numbers two three dash five dash zero zero one colin zero six an ordinance repealing the water availability policy thank you members we will go back to item fifteen dash two to seven but with respect to all other items as read by the clerk are you comfortable with the referrals or  actions oh objections thank you will go back to item fifteen dash two to seven mr couch thank you mr chair moved to waive requirement of committee referral and report for the county communication fifteen dash to do seven pursuant to rule seventy of the for bringing this forward and i appreciate our colleagues my colleagues support to have us approve the going through the waiver and so that we can pursue a time extension our community plan i appreciate our planning department but i more especially appreciate community members who again will extend their time and their efforts and it's been quite a journey for many of them this is a first time for their participation so i know extension will just just stretch out their time more as well as a community but they also see that we the extension is necessary for us to really put forth a plan that can be satisfying to the community as well as opposed say no measure passes with mine eyes as your own nose is to couch they mr chair moved to adopt the second proposed resolution attached to the county communication fifteen dash two to seven which would grant the community plan advisory committee until we've done is made it more sync saying essentially that the law says that the within one hundred eighty days after its first meeting a community plan advisory committee shall forward its recommend it revisions to the planning director so that's what we said in the title and in the third where one two three fourth where s so ok thank you very much members further discussion see none and all those in the parent i'm not going and an owner you know ok i can answer for counsel and it's in our purview and i'm just going to ask that we finish our portion up as responsibly as soon as possible thank you but i have reservations about the extension but you know i support it but we all have to remember that we've got lots of plans that follow and i don't want the next communities to get the sense that we're going to just be afraid extensions willy nilly so implore the department to make sure that whatever preparation they provide for the sea packs a coming up and west maui and and the ones that will follow that everyone understands that we're not having a loose you know a loose system here we need to keep to the schedule because we've got a lot of work to do and we have to make sure that everyone understands that they have to stay on schedule and i understand that you know we're we're extending this significantly because of the two delays the delays due to the hurricane but also you know the community and community needs more time but i don't want the other communities a feel that we're going to be as willing to extend when all these meetings will be on my way island not on when i or any further this one i'm trying to listen to the community and listen to the department to say you know we want to avoid a little bit of what happened on the lawn i community plan one of the reasons why it's a little late because there wasn't a consensus with what came to this council so and as far as the when i communicate on it i am taking full responsibility for that when there are some issues that we have that we're trying to get that completely rewritten to what we've discussed and we've discussed a lot and when i can be a plan then it's going to be published sooner rather than later so yes that's that's straight on my committee so on taking f county of milo he's now making payment up a geisha is in the first quarter to maximize the interests that the state has in short term investments to get the greater return on our principal then the mr victory no in a second for miss cochran to victory no thank you chair this bill would authorize the mare to enter into government enter into into government agreement with the state department of accounting and general services proportionally between the state and the county with the county paint eighty percent of the total costs i respect for us my members for their support on this bill thank you mr vitter no any further discussion statement number sixty eight report mr ritter no i move to pass bill fifty two thousand and fifteen on the second and final reading second of emotion for mr victoriano and a second for mr couch mr victory no thank you chair this bill would authorize the merit to enter into an intergovernmental agreement with the employees of employees retirement system of the state of hawaii to provide the governmental accounting standards board statement number sixty eight report gatsby sixty eight requires that the county to disclose additional information relating to the employee's pension then has been proved previously included in a comprehensive and you'll find financial reports and the report is needed to obtain additional information as a result of the kaffir will reflect the county's unfunded liability relating to into an in a governmental agreement with the office of the auditor state of hawaii to audit the schedule of allocations of the employee's retirement system of the state of health ers mr three no i moved past bill fifty nine two thousand and fifteen on second and final reading as a cherry second emotion for mr victory no in a second from mr couch mr victory no thank you chair this bill would authorize the merit to enter into it and into government agreement with the office of auditor state of hawaii to audit the schedule of allocation of the employee's retirement system of the state of hawaii the county auditor noted that the audit of the schedule of allocation is needed to complete the kaffir which is the audit by an end which is audited by an independent audit hired by the county he explained the county's independent  you have before you bill number sixty twenty fifteen a bill for an ordinance amending title nineteen maui county code to allow commercial agricultural structures in the agricultural district  i move to pass bill sixty two two thousand and fifteen on second and final reading chair i second the motion we have a motion from mr grossman in a second from miss cochran mr grossman your chair bill sixty two thousand and fifteen would allow agricultural stands farmers market agricultural retail structures and agricultural food establishments in the county i recall traill districts as acts as accessory uses subject to certain restrictions the bill supports sustainable agriculture for the county and that at first a phase opportunities for the aging farming industry featuring our local products helps residents and visitors understand our connection deland while engaging future generations to support small farms the bill intends to boost economic development opportunities for farm for farming enterprises while providing built in protections such as size of the size of the structure a nexus  implemented farming plan allowing allowable wallspace hours of operation and parking requirements ensuring minimal impact on our island small town characters i'd also this bill also has the support of the planning department as reflected in the committee report and as well as a first reading i respectfully request the council's support of this bill thank you mr goodman members any further discussion their concerns are real and whatever this committee decides i would hope that all the members to the concerned seriously i've heard some comments that disturb it from community if this bill pisses as it is and that is hold a few there are several people that would like to see a person on the overwhelming majority do not want to see it they would be heard was called still in it we would consider it and i would imagine that other districts too when something is implemented sometimes or what we always see unintended consequences and we would need to address them receive talked with i would hope that we can address the east moline separately from other districts i have no problem was sure that we have talked about this a lot i would hope that we would continue to not coldest what we call a done deal we need to go with here and closely monitor or communities not only on the other communities i make sure that if there are things that need to be addressed and of course my community feels that there really are that we need to bring the thank you mr carroll any further discussion mr couch thank you mr chairman i understand mr carroll's concerns and i i think they're very valid concerns especially with what we've received you know  you look at the pictures that we've received this testimony and this bill would not allow this everybody is afraid that this is going what's going to happen there's nothing in these pictures that this bill would allow  pretty much that i can the pictures that are clear so i understand their fears but at this point the things that are in this bill are needed for the  honda has some issues with certain things that you know in mr carroll's amendment that he put in there i would strongly suggest that if this bill passes out today that  committee it's unfortunate we didn't hear about this until it came out of committee and came on the council floor because there was plenty of time to discuss the concerns and amend the bill in the committee so i am in support of the bill as it stands right now but i also understand you know some of the stuff is already illegal and this bill would not allow for this and i'm a little concerned is that i haven't heard of any requests for services  against these specific properties so i don't know if the testimony today is as a complaint or not if it is would encourage that the department go out and enforce on these guys so i  understand where mr kills coming from but i think overall this is something that is a good bill it's been in the works for a long time and if there are concerns that another bill can come along too to do the tweaks that are necessary thank would just like to add that you know we i think all of us understand the concerns of the the heart a community that at the same time all of you as chairs have been very willing to go back and revisit things after after they've been passed and make appropriate corrections and so on you know mr mr goodman will be more than happy to take a look at whatever the community comes up with and as all of us will you but it's a process that we allow and they've come what signatures and when i look at those these names here they're generational families so i don't that we need to because you know i consider myself coming from a rural area and one size does not fit all yes we are of one county and that's what makes us very unique we're a very special county because we have this willingness that does exist or or when we t the shape and a time they're talking about their sense of place and for us to challenge their testimony or to question whether or not they understand a bill  think it do we understand when they're talking about their sense of place and that's what i take into consideration so hopefully mr carroll will work on something that weekend a comedy this petition the ordinance in the code regarding specific bill sixty who would have the trump card shoot too i can appreciate what our local people are saying it's impacting my values and how it we look at things and so in a i am like  you know again this is not an easy thing but unless there's a specific motion by mr care what not then you know what is before us girlie will be supporting the committee thank you there was talk about they need a commercial kitchens and some the next level is how are they going to sell these products this bill would allow them to sell the value added chali and th that they would come out of those commercial kitchens so i get mis reading from there you know the community wants this but yet they don't want the vehicle thought wall a ut and somehow i get this feeling that is to prevent it other people that are not from there to exercise or at least become more productive so i i don't know how to handle  the whole shield sword and shield you know that to allow them to enable them to be productive but yet projet protect them against i get so called outsiders so i'm just trying to do what is best for all and i under i completely appreciate mr carroll's position in fact when he came forward when this item was first put on the council floor and i was unaware that he was going to put forth an amendment you continued this this item to allow corporation counsel to give an opinion whether in fact the h r s to all five would restrict us from exempt to carving it out but i did in fact work with mr carroll to help redraft a new amendment to carve out a certain area however unfortunately mr carrol did withdraw that amendment but i am in no i have no problem in bringing this back up to our committee at the committee level but as it is right now in second reading i feel that to to bring it back down to committee just specifically for this one haan a shoe i think it would be an served in justice to those who have been waiting for this bill to pass for quite some time but  i completely understand where honda's coming from i just i think are just going to need more time to to try to be more specific in what they need but yeah this is it's difficult because when they need something it opens up the door for those who they don't feel they want that type of i guess the industry or persons there but i'll work with that definitely thank you i think it's important to understand that there's a difference between an exemption and establishing criteria for hannah and i know that mr carroll was was working in that direction and so there's a there's a resolution here somewhere it's just that it hit us at the last moment and i think there's i think mr carroll you brought forth some good you know some good thoughts in the test thunder mr victory and basically if we can and we have in the past and continue to do in the future for the money and we'll look i i can see why we cannot do something for hama that's plain simple that's just the way i want to sta some resolution i'd be more than happy to support today the passage but i remind him that if it's not done i will be knocking at his door thank you and you miss by so thank you very much  this is again one of those difficult ones however as the country representative i've been watching this bill progress through the egg working group and i have seen the many many many meetings and hours that people have put in to bring this to where it is today and i will be supporting the bill as it is however i do have and share all the concerns that is the carol and my colleagues have about the situation in holland and i agree with you that it is possible for us to take a look at this bill once we pass it and i know that member goodman is definitely committed to this to find some some special consideration for them it is a special area with special needs and certainly is unique and to be protected and i will be more than happy to be a part of that thank you really getting involved and really bringing forward all of their concerns i will support the bill today the efforts on everyone has been very very rewarding and i appreciate all of the other destruct and we can come back with something comprehensive that addresses those concerns in a manner that because the community will for the shop to thank you thank you any further discussion members see none of those in favor of placing a five by saying i those opposed say no measure passes with nine eyes zero nose to clerk mr chair there is no further business before the council thank you very much thank you members and thank you for being past the noon hour to finish up with that we are joined