some group we are working on the drafts that we're hopefully getting out of the next couple of weeks i think we're sort of two thirds of the way through and that was when it was sort of put on hold we went through the negotiations last spring so that is why it's that they were found it's coming up at the end but parents teachers faculty administration and community members have been written and submitted and they have been online i believe since the spring of two thousand and fourteen over the summer the leadership team met to still seven waddling groups to start to think about what priorities we feel are important out of the work that was done we also have a meeting this afternoon which is our first leadership council meeting of the school year further narrowed down and maybe operationalize a little bit of both what the steering committees may need to be formed on some of the bigger pressure points of the district which obviously would be unrolled it and social emotional learning which were two of them our own groups that were the leadership team felt were the most conversations internally and with outside committee and with department heads and i think what we plan on doing for our report is to sort of outline for the group and to the public  regionalization as we are you are involved in because they are numerous and also to list what some are the state and federal requirements that each of our town departments are required to do regardless of staffing levels  we also have had conversations with some of our major departments about telling about what services we currently provide but if they would billing department from scratch what kind of services would they propose to provide of resources morning edition that was a telling exercise because clearly demonstrated that while we provide quality services clearly there are levels of services that we do not provide to the public that if resources were not an issue that we would probably like to provide or in some cases we're being asked to provide where we don't know so they have the capacity to do so and i think that will be a component and and then frankly flushing you know some of the essential services that the towns providing and maybe some of the a lot of social services that the town might provide i think you know the takeaway that our committee at least for the last few months has been that there's no you know there's no panacea for for some of these things and then there's the the might be some savings to be had here or there terms of town government but there's not there's not over wow this is a huge my savings that we can generate from the from the tally we might end up you know david l tentatively in terms of folding with the back turnover of capital is the board of selectmen i have tended to be called for a precinct meeting on november third to talk about the incinerator sites i'll just mention that in case you because in our discussions about the old light department facility it is considered and as a historic building and then clearly about the conversations if in fact something was planned either to take over the entire site or to demolish it or to renovate it or to sell it what would their take be in terms of their way and so clearly we had those conversations as part of our subgroups because frankly we didn't want to go down a path of least having them think about what some things are being considered and clearly they gave us some advice about what they would expect to be a process to have those conversations about what the outcome of the light plant building would be  future so i think we've talked about it unfortunates not immediate and i think it will require a lot of processing in terms of conversations depending upon what the disposition would or would not be whether it becomes a part of a bigger site for new police station whether it's sold and whether or not the sale would have to be crude the renovation and retention of the building again there's a lot of different conversation that's still going to be had so that fortune it's not as straightforward as many things that we would hope with regard to the bar of what i did visit the barn with floyd and gerry boyle we did look at it clearly we understand that under the current conditions the barn has several restrictions on it in terms of its use that were imposed upon it when it was obtained by the town by the board of a cemetery commissioners and what it can or cannot be used for so that's clearly a process point then there's an issue about structurally what in fact can it be used for because i know that we've been limited in terms of what we can store for a quick meet in there because of structural issues that were identified when it was purchased and then we really talked about longer term what would it take to make that into a functioning building in terms of capital investment costs and with that cap what would be the payback for significant capital investment cost and does that make sense so i think we've looked at it clay it's one of those things where it's an it's an all bar and it's historic it has some restrictions on it terms of its and may have some structural issues and then frankly how many dollars do you were really want to spend on renovating it to make it into something different if it were allowed in the first place and i we haven't had those detail conversations  transmitted to us electronically terms again in your permissions the building department has now gone to the tablets to basically make it more efficient to go on the site where you can mentally move those things while i know that now we've implemented a new web page that has a different platform that makes the ability to do some of those things easier in terms of being able to download forms into fill them out you know in some cases though clearly the for example building permit process is a physical phyllis's is helping with that also in terms of trying to see where we can make it easier for folks to the business online and it will all work out that again with that is there are some efficiencies but there's then there's the other side about the maintenance and the reconciliation and all that kind of goods of it if it improves efficiency but isn't necessarily that some cost and so there's a balance here for how we can do it in the most cost effective and efficient  so over the summer we've basically constructed a model to allow us to demonstrate historical expenditure and revenue trends and also build a model that allows us to project out sixteen seventeen eighteen nineteen and be able to plug in different assumptions as we move forward so what we've been doing is building the model and we've met with the modeling group clearly where interfacing with the other committees to see based upon the work that they're doing how those some of the things that they're working some of the recommendations and some of the assumptions how they need to be folded into the fine anshul model because at the end of the day well and we've spent a great amount of time with the schools and superintendent conversations with his leadership team in the school committee at the same time i think everyone knows us and roman in our schools is going to by over three hundred the last three years in aggregate it's another hundred and twenty or five so far this school year so i think clearly we understand that there's an aroma component to this that's going to be important because we have not had in roma driven staffing increases police in the fifteen budget and in many ways there was an increas staffing but that was to provide service delivery requirements with regard to non classrooms and by and large so i think we're trying to work through that with the schools to have the superintendent have conversations with his leadership team in the school community to sort of identify the issues and the needs and that's working we did have a model group mean we do get feedback we're working with the assessors because we need some help with regard to some out here projections with regard to potential developments and making sure that we are realistic in the new growth that may or may not be associated with cushing village and the uplands so we're working with them to plug in those numbers we've gone through and looked our historical revenues and basically are working to make sure that for the and again the balance here is to basically do a model in line and in parallel with the development of the sixteen budget so we're basically trying to not do the budget fix sixteen but develop a projection for sixteen that sort of incorporates some components of what we think is realistic so that's where we're at i think we've had conversations with various the moderate and various other chairs to sort of develop this and to basically get a point where we think we can share with you where it's basically the final number i mean one of the challenges is going to be is to develop a model for sixteen seventeen eighteen nineteen understanding that that's a point in time but i think that and where that goes is as we're trying to do the parallel of the development of the sixteen budget and there will be you know clearly changes that goes along so we're talking through this i think that we're coming close to the point where we're nailing down as i said revenues for fourteen as well as our expenditures and then basically taking some consideration of the work that's done by the various committees so that's where  interesting i think they were discussed two meetings ago is typical of the board of assessors has provided the town with an estimate at the beginning the budget process that typically has been about fifty five hundred thousand dollars which if my memory serves me correct five hundred estimate from five hundred to five hundred fifty as part of the process they also did an analysis a detailed analysis which i believe we've provided to the committee that sort of outlined what some of the prior year trends had been in terms of why the five hundred thousand was able to be achieved if not more in some cases and clearly one of driving factors has been the mclean project and basically that has now pretty much been completed so and that clearly was a driver to make sure we could achieve the new growth number so we are working but i think the board of assessors also have been looking at the future years and i think as recommended their lease for planning purposes that the o years for the new growth be pegged at four hundred seventy five thousand dollars i know that they may be looking at that though as i mentioned before what the assessors are doing with us now is same based upon the two major projects that are coming forward cushing village and the uplands potentially what would be the phase in because the other challenges is when you calculate a new growth you can do it in phases so basically you can you get the same correct me from wrong if i misspeak is if in fact you've got a certain portion of the project completed we can assess a value to that and charge property taxes so there is some phasing that will probably try to calc it with the assessors as opposed to just doing a lump sum all once because there will be some incremental increases in the assessed value once the plenty board approved the project for cushing village we've been meeting that need a great deal to make sure that the town was working with the developer to make sure that we could provide our approvals our  guidance or our assistance in any way we could to get the project moving as soon as he was ready to go clearly they were continue to meet with him so it's not as if he got his permit and we basically said we we've been proactive to meet with him often clearly he has he's i'm going he has some issues that he's trying to work out but those aren't our issues those are his issues we will system in any way we can but in some cases they're out of our control but clearly he's eager to get the project done clearly he understands what are the requirements were of the permit that was approved in terms of his requirements and we've been again phyllis's again been of heavily involved about the cell the parking lot to make sure we communicate what the requirements are because there are numerous requirements contained in the draft purchase and sale so i think the town has been proactive again but it's in some cases working collaboratively but in a lot of cases things that need to be executed by the private party with regard to the kind we have i did meet with the c f o there and clearly and again things are getting better in terms of people taking another look at hopper to news for development obviously that takes some time to percolate but again they clearly would like to do something but if they don't have a partner to dance with to do those kinds of things with regard to housing r and d or whatever they understand what their opportunities are they just need to find a partner to dance with and they haven't been able to do that they understand the potential the property in the understand what is the possibilities but again i think they're trying to explore those but again it's it's a process and it takes time to do that  so in january of fourteen we asked the assessors could you please give us a new growth amount that we can use for the fifteen budget yet the they've now or i should say third the beginning of of thirteen fourteen so they're almost trying to figure out what new growth is going to be before they actually know if you give us an estimate and then where the reconciliation process happens will happen in december when we actually set the tax rate because then they will have known all of the new growth and the new assessed values because they're required there's a three year triangle full valuation process and then there's a validation process that happens to occur every year but also includes validating the new growth actual new growth not the estimate so and think what happens if they're wrong but say they did five fifty and they have a sense of that's a reasonable number but say they're off by one hundred thousand dollars so that means the revenue plain that we adopted to balance the fifteen budget isn't available to finance the budget so what you do then you either make reductions in expenditures or you find other revenues if you have them available so i think there's always a there is always a pressure to be prudent because the consequences of being wrong are not very good so i think clearly and then what happens if their estimate is a little bit higher but what that means is is let's say new growth this year is five hundred seventy five thousand set of five hundred they predicted well the what that means is you basically have twenty five thousand dollars in excess levy capacity that you could use as a financing source for the sixteen budget so you don't really lose it you basically have make that we weren't able to cooperate so i would request we defer approval to the numbers are there any other business