open up this morning so meeting the order and starting with the testimony so if there's anyone in the public who would like to testify at this time on any of the agenda i now i am here to testify before you that i support the new temporary investigative group and highly recommend that this commission and the t r g group  updated in some areas but no not in its entirety ok if in is mr khan who is he the person that i should get in touch with to get everybody's contact information or we and i think the maximum was four is that correct for so you're an additional commissioner that's interested or are we good with three yes the membership is restricted to the commission but the members of the take can reach out to other community organizations or individuals to you know get their expertise on the topics they are going to be looking into so that they're  i've come up with some proposed topics for the commission to consider all the investigating in this group and that would be to research the original intent of the county's indigenous hawaiian architecture ordinance determine how successful for determining how successful it has been in accomplishing the encouraging building more indigenous hawaiian holiday identifying any  potential any problems or roadblocks in the existing code that are hindering the construction of additional holiday and then developing recommendations the construction of more holiday and if not i made some comments pretty much what you made at least and that is to review the application since the process started you know would be good for the committee to know you have events information as to how many really a stakeholders and then documents and i have a permit records we would obtain from public works a number of holiday permits that have been issued by the forty six stache one point five five it just orders all of the counties to establish a code it allows for indigenous whole point architecture and the county along that line you know again but like us to really interesting the use of non native materials that it's discussed earlier but synthetic and i think probably did like to have input from those who have already been certified and have actually you know to some of these highly throughout the state and why and what their opinion is from a cultural perspective you know i'd be really curious to know because they live it i mean we may have come up with some rules and regulations but they are the ones who really are doing the work the capture or scope accurately can i ask you to do under the the concept of facilitating construction can we add something or can we concentrate  perhaps investigating the possibility of a special streamline building permit bring these this construction to a quicker crew ition i mean the only the the real the real nexus of the success of this is the ability to get a building permit and if we could somehow either streamline that or specialize the building permit process or make the building permit for infrastructure but right now infrastructure is sort of outside the realm or restricted what should be really narrows the marketability or the usage of the digits are there sure is there any way so the larger hotels in which they've allowed the indigenous architecture and materials as long as you retrofit in a sprinkler system both under and over the  first started talking about this bill to amend the building code the original intent was to allow the traditional cultural  the building to happen under under a county under a permit id system has previously folks were having trouble building holiday because a warden they couldn't get a permit where are we are taking the traditional cultural practice of building ali and then there's another issue where like corny english and  another senator from why and i are proposing to allow holiday structures or forms to be used for rector get arrested for housing architecture for the purposes of this two year so that takes housing out of the place but but keep in mind that there's plenty of uses that are not residential uses that holidays can be described to or used for that would be water sure electricity etc because traditional church additional holidays  residential or not were used in night they they they used they used a waterfall they used irrigation so the idea that traditional architecture additional indigenous architecture did not use the infrastructure in a way shape or form is a misreading of the ritual architecture so all i'm suggesting is that the then the game of having the indigenous architecture have access to modern infrastructure increases the capabilities of the final product being used in a so i think we can certainly one where getting into our investigation we can certainly consult with you know francis and ac and others who are involved  like we should probably talk to the faculty a new age to find out if they are still offering the certification for holiday building i mean i know that one of the requirements in the code is that the new holiday is built by a person who is recent certificate of completion for you age for holly building and so we need to find out if and i also know that francis continues to work with students only i don't know if he's got obviously would not be in his in this bill that says it's required by you it's my college but i can check with francis and see if he's doing some kind of holy certification perhaps another institution or if he's just doing it t you know and as at the end of the day you're acting as a group but the individual members can have different tasks along the way brought this all on was when they were talking about that plantation style building at the end of the harbor and we talked about how much nicer would be for the kingdom of the sea which line up early and have more of a feel again you know i am a port member and i kind of think that whatever we come up with i think they would be happy going in that direction because that's part of our mission is really to identify  hotels i wouldn't see them coming at any or all of the meetings but maybe if we could just make one meeting that is really just after we kind of through some of the topic areas and then invite some of those potential users manlius schools i mean we want to be inclusive but you know we need to get work there and the more people we get involved sometimes the more you know i'm right so anyway i think it's good that we have a good group to start with her and you're ok with that  know people that can help us as far as the infrastructure issue  i think it covered everything thirty thank you so are you ready to move to item c then the time line we talked a little bit about it but now we've got to get serious about how committed are we going to be  mine progress report sounds good you don't i just i don't want to limit us if we don't get everything ounce heard within the timeframe i just think it would be months and talk about that or if we sat or three month timeline but we accomplish it before three months can we come back to three months and talk about you know the time when those guidelines say it's not  a mandatory thing to set a timeline you know but it's probably a good idea to just come back and report regularly it might help you inform the direction we're going to to just get it from the rest of  can also if so are going to take care of county staff but if there's any folks that we identified that are beyond the county the commissioners have connections to that what they would like to know about would be i would support that for sure because sometimes i don't i mean i like commissioner six has information for connie english as well as  building permits or been there shared and things like that but then when we get into discussions of our including infrastructure or it might be a little bit more of a longer to would have to be able to access that information easily she's on the committee she does not here today so perhaps we can send an email asking if she has access to to find out that she works in the university when they start that program and that's the last meeting she did say she was going to find out but i think that communication can come from staff through commissioner you want to clarify and share that information and then would you like to go through email as far as setting i know these have to work this ok i don't i think so i think we're ready to move on to the next so just for the formality of it though so as a mission somebody needs to make a motion to whether or not the district should be established and so in preparing for this agenda i realize that we have a legal process but we don't have so that means that we get to do the r and r administrative rules and i have some suggestions and what i will do is i will draft up the criteria and the process and we will review it and we'll discuss it and then eventually at a public hearing will it drafted into our administrative rules and so for eligibility criteria we would use the federal standards so for significance you know we would use the national register criteria a then we would probably wanting clue to be which is the cultural significance component at the state level and then we have an age criteria the properties in the district need to be at least fifty years old process we need to explain to the public how you would go about identifying a historic district so that entails and not in either an architectural or an archaeological survey they could also until using a previously established state or national register gestures and that way you don't have to do a survey where do you know that it's sick and it's been listed and we just take the boundaries of that existing district adopted using it previously to identify a district so that's pretty much it for that we really need to just establish that criteria process and then we'll be a little bit more clear for the public and for basically from the mission standpoint if that's if this sounds like something that you're interested in doing you know this term either now or it or to future date what you need to do is you know request that staff start working on so is there a sense of urgency in this on this topic i mean to move it forward i mean we've got other things on the agenda what's your take on it i mean i mean it is it is an important thing to  process played out for the public to understand but we do have a couple of things going on and this could be something that we'll work on a little bit later it's really up to the nation i'm happy to work on it and if we want to get it done now that's fine with us from commissioners i'm thinking that maybe this is coming out clear process and they can understand you know maybe there's a lack of integrity that's why it's on a cultural historic preserve their own history district to maybe having guidelines in place that really spell it out for people i think that feel chris really frustrated with not understanding our role and or how do you know historic district here the comments you got direction from the commission that yes let's move on to thank you