welcome to the july eleventh twenty seventeen planning commission meeting i need approval minutes for the june thirteenth twenty seventeen m support for right post communications from the audience for items that are not listed as a public hearing on the agenda can come forward at this time unfinished business and table items proposed text amendments regarding the regulation of sort of short term rental dwelling units planning commission is the applicant i need a motion to remove this from the table to discuss  i was in favor all right posed ok you need a motion for this to be put i guess and not quite sure what the next step is on this one we want to send you back the second one what'll we do yeah so we do have it on the agenda for some reason i didn't think i know what it on the agenda so yes the i think a motion with support to request staff in the city attorney to to do a final review of the draft language spoken in regards to the study session would be in order and that we have that ready for your review and potential approval  next regularly so moved all those in favor posed right new business plan review for a new four story mixed use building to be located at sixty west an architect ken branson from progressive e so yes we're here for i believe it's our second new building in the west eight development and this building is located just west of the existing sentinel building a currently on that property there's a small parking area that's about sixty feet wide and about one hundred feet deep that we would like to infill with us for story building and this four story building will include retail on the main floor we have to speak to retailers which we don't have any announcement at this time for those but we also would like to add three stories of apartments up to eighteen units in those upper second third and fourth floor these will be market rate apartments and we expect this to be an exciting place to live with work and shopping and dining and other things going not on the site plan that we have we do accommodate all of the things that are required i believe by the code and we've submitted the site plan but we want to add that we do expect to be back next month with a new site design which will include a parking structure ramp so for code i think we accommodate the required parking and all the amenities but keep in mind that  that we'll be building the ramp so this building we expect to start construction in hopefully october and then that we would complete construction by july of two thousand and eighteen the parking ramp we would like to start construction in january and complete that is at a similar time frame so that if were done by june or something like that with a parking ramp that everything will be completed at the same time  we do expect to put solar panels on the roof of this building and we will use that power to supplement the power to the building so there'll be a net meter on the building and this will be a feature that that will include in this in this project of the other green building materials and our expectation is that this will be washington yeah what'll happen is there will actually be a door for the front on eighth street for both retailers and a door for the apartments at the one on the far that's one on the far west for the apartments the stairs tower stack all runs on the west wall with an elevator approximately fifty feet deep into the building but halfway into the building so a stair comes up from the front and a stair comes up from the rear of ninth street for the residential and each retailer also will have a door in the rear on the ninth street side for access from from the parking deck so they will be accessed each retailer and the residential from the cell  oh ok so this goes right up against a court of square building and that will stay during the construction of the parking deck and during the construction of this building then the next building is the existing tulip time offices which will be demolished and that's where the beginning of the wall for the sperry movie house will go right so then you're waiting on that courthouse square till after that is built oh yes that's correct ok predict there's tenants in the courthouse square building we really don't need to prioritise that building as a first building it can stay there and until we work out arrangements for all those other uses we'll just let it stay right there and it looks better than a lot of the other things you're taking care of right it hasn't it is reasonably usable yes  martin maybe i misunderstood yeah well you have access from the second deck to the apartments for it and the parking deck or no no no  past behind this or is there street is this surface level parking behind this section you know what is building what you can kind of see is is some some straight being there now  i actually have a plan that ike i could show you of what the parking deck could look like and how it would would lay in there and i could pass these  to this is a little bit on the copy but if you look to this to the document there's kind of a hash terry and that's the parking structure or hades has proposed parking deck so then you can also see this building and it says proposed building it's the east building that's hashed third one from river correct so then in the rear there you can see some will just be circulation area for pedestrians so then you can come out of the deck on the east side of the deck and you can also come out of the deck on the northwest corner of the deck and you can't see it real good but about the middle of the deck there's also a fairly large stair tower within the deck and you could kind of see a small bump out and there's a little sidewalk area that transverse is right there so that's where the other stair and the elevator the deck will be so to access this building you will most likely exit the northeast corner of the deck there will be a exit and jump on the sidewalk and great well thank you for the last that you're welcome thank you this is the kind of thing that we intend to bring to this group a month from now so i'll be submitting i believe it is a week from this time he'd like to speak to this i have come forward i will close the public hearing mark is there anything that you need to add to this project next item under new business is site plan review for an industrial building to be located at three seventy four east sixty fourth street view fifty sixty four l l c is the applicant real estate we are here to ask for approval on a new three hundred thousand square foot industrial building on the south side of holland that we've been talking to also some third party logistics companies for kind of just distribution things of that nature yeah  it's three hundred to three hundred feet by a thousand feet and exactly up so it's set up for approximately fifty thousand square foot bays six of those each bay will have four loading docks and overhead door along the backside of the building and then the employee parking will be up along sixty four s work the building inspector will be monitoring you know employees and in the parking cult and so forth but if nothing changes with the footprint no it doesn't you want it to come back  this does require a public hearing which i will open at this time and you would like to come forward on this item you can do so now i will close the public hearing questions discussions or mark is there anything else you need to add on this one just briefly a staff is a recommended approval with the conditions noted in the report and additionally we do have comments that should be worked in the conditions from of west michigan airport authority that met yesterday and reviewed this so they have comments from you and some comments from transportation services regarding drainage and probably work in the right of favor all right posts all right great hopefully pretty painless take care communications and petitions scheduling a public hearings there are not any communications from commission members mark i do have a request yet is it under would it be us that would discuss allowing corner houses to have fences further out from their property line not their property line but their house yes we did do that i think we did ok we did so there's been a push  by the zoning board of appeals also to look at the whole fence issue especially with corner lots so big getting word back from some of their members as well as dan tiley indeed we do need study session agenda for you last time we did that we did work out a lot of the bugaboo was about fences on retaining walls and all that kind of stuff so this would be a little bit more straightforward one thing that i would like to have us consider a look at maybe to dismiss it right earlier but in my research on a variety of things regarding short term rentals i came some across give an odd fact if you're east of the mississippi fences are generally six feet or less if you're west of the mississippi fences are generally a few are less and i don't know why that is but is there or is there any opportunity for us allowing a higher than six foot fence in some situations for people like on a busy street like river west or had just in just backyards only here you know something i don't know but we allow people to put up hedges that go up fifteen feet you know you know that just a thought that we ought to have that touched  were building the new their new assisted living facility and college avenue they request went to the zoning board of appeals for a variance to allow an eight foot fence because the neighbors on thirty street were like they weren't they weren't comfortable or not happy with just a six foot fence they won that two additional feet and it was granted as a variance i don't know how they were created but they were able to find out you know make a hardship case some somehow and i know that there's there's been a couple other cases trying to think you know washington school as that's being redeveloped along the south property line there they're going to be putting in i believe an eight foot fence and there was a weird way that they could get that approved because that was in the historic district so that one was just kind of slid through but you know if we can look at that yeah so there's precedent or it seems to be that the market is pushing a little bit want to have a higher front so we're not just higher but closer to the sidewalk kind of situations to your communications from the staff yes very happy to say made an offer or to a senior planner and person verbal a said yes so we're doing some background checks on her and