like that for the past bunch of years and we would we're now moving into the catering kitchen down to one fifty which is hugely haven't they just for us to spread out and do our work and that's part of that we'd like to get into some more like beer or wine for the weddings that we it's as part of that there's a lot of it's going to start up in april so i mean i'm really just kind of seeing trying to get the approval of everybody's thoughts on everything before we start telling people that we're going very good yes we're going to cover that issue a little later in the agenda rhetoric it's well appreciated and i recognize issue that we've certainly had a lot of conversations and put a lot of thought into in the past about how we can do that now i think the representative of it being on the agenda tonight there are some real motion and movement and interest in having that discussion and of the next steps might look for for considering that for the community they can see i would really appreciate you coming in and sharing your thoughts and views experience too thank you thank you ski fire department say mike's fire department called tester fire department did collectively about five hundred hours of training at the two sixty eighty s allen site so that site where the mixed income project is breaking ground in a few weeks there is a  triple decker house that is being demolished so just the owner of that property donated it to the city for fire training in advance of the demolition that will happen later on this week it happened to coincide and chief and train the incoming class and what not so we had a captain from the new york fire department here lieutenant from the charlotte fire department here training both the same like folks and our team and the jester team so it was a huge opportunity f the firefighters to have real life hands on training they put a smoke bucket in the basement of the building was postmarked and able to react to an unknown situation and no buildings it's very important training far beyond what we can do of that and importance of prevention upstream from medical intervention and are highlighting specifically so that the pieces heiling specifically myself rachel who's are these workers and chief were both south burlington please we did a it's everything together and we're ready to go with that important day for us next wednesday the twenty ninth is the next burlington sound mitigation committee meeting at the airport it is expected that they will be releasing the draft of the updated noise about options for somebody to work with the council commissions around more than just pious training that supports around understanding power privilege and how that man has itself through the welcome so the big question you always myself the recreation manager for the city of burlington and for a lot of our band events in programs we handle a lot of trash and recycling compost and it's very important to us and it's very important to me and the city burlington that i great thanks so much because one real development is doing community leadership summit on august first it probably didn't advertise they're putting out lots of menus and they have invited all two hundred fifty one needs really taking a big leadership role new to involvement with the city to attend their i know more of the others of us who will attend the conference as well either as speakers or participants ourselves so previously gone into three percent design with this proposed project we're looking go into final design of the grant is for twenty five thousand  then just add a little to the so the concept here is we have these collections of projects that we need to do in advance of this these permit requirements so as other funding sources come up where we can leverage grant money into the city for them where where  discussed of the full why space and thinking about public access of that space outside of the so is there a pretty good environment they are also looking at the kitchen and community center space and how we can better partner to provide  increase ervice is there to get a new every revenue stream and when brings back next year we will for next week we will actively start marketing the team center space there has been interest in that space from other tenants in the building we've been heard previously budgeted activities so i'm just wondering what those are and how we might in the substantial going to funds pretty short period of time and if you had already maybe we can talk about it with three more in depth but if you have that supplemental funding i think we will still be returning quite a bit of that money to the state yeah i don't think there's a way we're going to spend with the hundred thirty thousand screening i mean my m we don't have a child care center in the city that's why that's where we focus our energy and so that means our only other option is to put funding in the home providers that's that really goes against the entire purpose of the grant which is to try to build some sort of a system to support early so i would i'm interested in a discussion about where those funds are going to be used and if it's better to send it back to the state and say you can't build a system with this kind of money or these kind of versions or we need you now rather than putting them into i don't i do you like and not that's that's not the vision that we have for the fun what we try to present to you in the past when we presented these budgets we presented them with both why is currently under contract or it more happening and what we anticipate with projects we're actively working on given this change demanded a spreadsheet to reflect solely what we know so if we i think one of the frustrating things that happened in the last year is as we've presented those models q were there to subpoena revenue growth that hasn't happened we've essentially been presenting was a need in the community for more rental properties we have commercial kitchen space so i can see a reason i know we've talked before about trying to be like the community  the vision of trying to get tenants into that space that allows some public access of that space sunday as much access for the entire community as possible we did have a restaurant look at it but given the opportunity to shift that marketing at this point and say you know is there interest in putting forth a commercial restaurant space and location of that's the interest of the council i mean i do think we have sort of held on the spaces with the notion that it is going to work out and then it doesn't work out and we are losing you know rental revenue on the property  choosy in terms of that at this point but and and it seems to me we're probably more likely to be able to lease that segment of the building as a in lieu of the front room i don't i don't know but i'm just feeling like we've hoaxed these certain partnerships we're going to pan out and they haven't and i don't know how much longer we now i think there is probably just not it's hard and frustrating right in this space was and again not to rehash it because it just it was sold to the taxpayers of this community within undergoes division that it was going to cash flow the self in the r you have to know what's there you have to use the law the wind it's to pull somebody in it's not well it's not set up well for other things i think that's why ray was going down the path of another in building tenant who already had the storefront and successful i think there could be i think we're at a point where we need to explore those types of partnerships that it sounds like maybe we've been you know look we've been given guidance on what we want to see there too so it's not you know i'm saying this i of a center not investing just in private entities so we the final this sition from that group or direction given by their group accepted by his council too was a driving test in setting up a portion of the community centers  we had long discussions with a couple providers but unfortunately in the all in the backing off for one reason or the other so we kind of became exhausted with that our time is running short of funds so we shifted in trying to repurpose them and that was from an operational project management perspective there is the option to move forward immediately and turn it into an architectural contract to complete design t really depends on how much summer work is done so we think that there is interest there is a potential power play by him which we start engineering in the winter and can get it out and by the summer and therefore get in the ground and not in the fall to be able to keep going for the next season so we believe there is outweighing having said that we weren't we since we have a i would like to have more information on financing personally absenteeism or spend some time now he's talking about it because i'm not comfortable taking out the full three point nine million i think given payers so i guess i really am interested in and looking at scaling and financing both projects in a way that leverage is what's out there in terms of not tax revenue doesn't delay overly delay the implementation of these projects but doesn't have us spend a lot of time looking at how  minimize the pool or maybe redesign of the war or whatever when two months later or a month later we may find that the main street project is not going to happen to give us back the result of other revenues so i think i guess i feel feel similarly i think for option two it's really important to understand from the fund raising committee you know what piece of building work you've done you know what what is potentially pos engagement with them that there is a highly likely hood that we are going to have to give some more reaction back to that committee in terms of information about where the funds may go adopt this concept of what the baseline pool the city is going to do so for example there may be an advantage to the city saying we're going to do this if you want this and this you need to fundraise for it because it gives them a directive  not only for themselves from a bitch marketing standpoint but to actually talk to a fundraiser for potential funders about that there's a specific thing which connects or a specific wine that they're trying to get across because i and in the absence of that it's right now i have heard nothing in you were close to a strategy that's built around actual execution or scenario we're we're not giving them a timeline we're not saying do this work with all too little bit on the state we're saying do this work for a timeline that's going to be determined  yes we can we can so what optional ones is allowing what we're trying to capture with option one is how do we move the timeline as fast as possible while we let the how they're financing conversations play out so certainly assuming we are willing to build a pool which is what the voters just told us we're going to need a contract for the life of project so we can do that at any time outside of the conversation of how specifically is that being paid for once we execute that contract and start incurring costs then that question becomes bigger for you all of us are you comfortable with us pending up to three hundred ten thousand dollars before that decision about the financing structure has to be in service with the additional context in here that there's there's this statement a very you know in the middle of our into right is that there's it could delay the opening by a number of months and i think that's that's an important concept that we need to understand from this week with that's a trigger right here in very specifically with parents who have children of a very specific gauge that they don't want to see one more summer go by for their specific individual children to not have this one facility and very respectful of the most respectful of the fact that we are signing the city taxpayers are probably gay shin's of twenty plus years of expenditures and that you know from my perspective you might have to make a decision at some point the they could do that but everybody may not feel that way for the completion date of actually entering into the contract that september twenty first but what we're saying is that we can still work on developing the contract because we'll need it no matter for and no matter when we actually enter into a contract we have a council meeting on september seventeenth so if for some reason as we're having these other discussions are being presented more information on financing between this and the means three project we need to pull the plug on jumping into a contract what are the implications there or does that make sense timeline wise and then we'd still have the prep work and work out scope items in the interim and then appropriate you could bring to the council approval so there there's no risk of us besides just resources spending time with the consultant working out the right timeframe so i think two different conversations here i think if you all are interested in having it on the shelf any contract ready to go for whatever decision is made we'll start working on that now it's easier would be would be my feedback i think the more important things to the wall get a lot of things as you look at these two projects in the package today if there are specific finance items that we want to bring forth the conversation on the fourth to be more focused on what are the potential tax thresholds and what are the potential what's it look like we really put these two things together potentially more of the world of the bond payment that hitting next year's tax rate what that stage in would look like if you do a comparison of option one of the two i think fairly easily in terms of what the stage tax impact would look i would just say that we've got two weeks you kind of being brought on the spot constructing what's needed if there are other things are coming people's minds we don't have to think of everything right now you know should i'm over and as we start to work through this i'm sure they'll be st particular and that's the other thing i would add into that conversation is whether or not any funding sources we select impacts skill ability so in other words i you know and i think i guess i would just the other context i would just say is just if we could have any identifiable this is a big question right so this isn't asking expectation that this is going to be the only demands on our tax rate is is foolish in our behalf and we're not asking you to do crazy projections but i just think you should have that conversation as well you know because as we move into this at some point this group is going to be setting thresholds for ourselves you know there could be conversations about and in those same fiscal years we want to try as far as weekend to budget to hit this as an additional cap back in back on the ca the other questions comments concerns from the public reality this is with the funding sources being what they are it took some time to get to the main street not even finish line but where we can now give really good detail which is what we're hearing at all through next about what the potential funding sources are a impact is the factors in the project so in our in the face of ok we've got to go from the public wants to the same thing with the pool so i think i just want to say i think people can expect and we are following the timeline by coming here today that we set forth in those public meetings by saying that by the end of august we feel strongly we're going to know how mean streets being paid for on the books like there's a little ring but we know generally how we can pay for it now with the potential another grant coming into play if we're lucky enough to get it but we're not paying our stars on that and you'll hear us talking quite a bit more about what we think the realistic package looks like and what that is going to mean for the community so thank you for that those com resources package if the council decides to move forward with it that includes three point five nine million in grant funding for the project so total total water research project is a million find forty year term on the waterfront so that's that's pretty amazing news i mean they really it was a better package than we anticipated so forty percent forty one percent approximate the project grant funded on the water source inside is a private asset so they in the package that you receive they mention a commercial loan so we have reached out to russia along lenders to get some you know ideas on funding they would because we're trenching down to that water and sewer it would replace say that the paper road surface so when we're talking about the word sewer work we're talking basically about the roadway the asphalt roadway and then there are literally connections to the buildings so that work would also be covered but picture a five foot trench into the building that's the scope of work because it was one point two seven million dollars so that's a significant chunk of that seven point four five and i'd like to know if there's other large pieces that are potentially could be coming here today to tell you that one is the one that's the highlight of something been able to finish a formal discussions with the companies but get any sense based on the other communities where underground thing is happening with what the relative share we might utility i have not been able to get any of that information for me of where though the utility provider will cost of what a standard aerial relocating would cost and then the premium for underground basically if we can get an order it's in place that requires just for the gateways of the reconstructing history those he told these underground it it gives us can the floor hole to you know discuss with these utility providers to force this and i don't want to break up your doing but i think a lot of people myself included will be most interested in the discussion of maybe talking through the little bit of narrative number four five and six  as mentioned general finds the u s d a community facilities the loan fortunately there is no grant portion of that so it doesn't have the funding like the water resources side so what we're  what we're proposing is in the large model example that we gave you is basically we gave them a breakdown potential options below that for offsetting revenue to mitigate the tax rates and then basically what we did is we worked back to a target of say a four percent increase property tax increase to determine what the crusher from a utility provider would have to be to meet that maximum four percent so that's what we're showing here is  basically i'm just trying to figure out whether this modeling maximizes of all the available revenue that we can we can imagine coming into the city coffers garber get there or unavailable for know you might have an interest in your garden so this is the best case scenario leveraging rooms in meal local options taxes and directing it all  to do to not do another tiff district but to acknowledge that we're going to see some grand less growth on main street as a result of improved infrastructure and how we set aside some of that grand less growth to fund  that occur recently three sticks we believe the two most recent go that's on main street so we're assuming eighty percent of main street will be redeveloped along the lines of the way those two propert a discussion of all about all those revenue stream pieces again and i think that's a great place to bring that information back and set  and i think we need to have the time and just remove one of the competition about that because that's the other thing about this project that's very different from the pool is that there is a lot of different things we can balance differently that then result in a different what percentage of it is being paid by that most flexibly and that's that's a good question i think it's exciting to think about the fact is he just said it's we could retire dependence upon to for move fairly expeditiously to give that money supporting other things and growth in the community and city that being said money spent on infrastructure and government going towards paying it flows and how we make it as easily presentable as possible and if this works i think it's a spreadsheet we cannot hide to lots of projects in the futures you can see how as things are turned off nothing's changed so huge  meltdowns because there were there were hard conversations where it wasn't always clear what was going on so thank you i will say just the updated modeling here one of the things that that really changes this from when you guys saw it last time is that ten year term for the children under her dad so that's one of the reasons you see them tiff only putting in fifteen percent because we have to cover that massive need to already underground debt before the tip expiration now that leads into potentially phasing so that's another option that could be on the table is you know if as we're looking at these two projects together the potential phasing streetscape work when better with him expirations about something that we could talk about further rate there that's a good one so that that is one option that was thought up so potentially if the tax rate was increased in this example we're using a two percent and that tax free revenue increase was earmarked for a mainstream reserve fund that the money could be banked until the debt payments start and use it kind of buffer percent tax rate increases f y twenty that total of four hundred forty seven thousand would get banked and then distributed to buffer the tax rate increase over the four years in this case to the know so again i think having the pool project and timeline be in here as well  would be very useful in terms of evaluating would be one hundred thirty eight thousand four hundred dollars on versus the four twenty two and then the utility underground ng would be two hundred seventy six thousand one hundred for  that would be great something we should you know to i think the other important point to make here is we have analyzed other potential funding sources because part of the decision here in the in the most constructive is are we going to accept a specific type of funding from a specific into tina specific hey you configuration and that and we can assume that given the recommendation and health here that we've looked at other options and feel comfortable that this is the best opportunity from a funding perspective because you could potentially do they say like a geo bars where you're paying interest only to get to that effect spray pending interest rates so we would have to look at what's the predicted interest rate at the time  we take out that low compared against this locked in three point seven five in kind and i think with that if there's something you need from us for guidance you know from a tax rate impact that's a great discussion for next time too is if there's going to need from us to hold make that decision from a guardrail perspective that that's something we would want similar to a pool looking at engaging in the final design and any contract or at least starting the proposal discussions so i will say we did in the estimates that were show too private utility negotiations so i think we need that information to come back to you anyways the war will start talking with them to kind of try to get that car share price figure  w three and up up coming so the ordnance updates that we're discussing so one utility under downing to help us with tom you told the providers to the water and sewer service you till your done so government and moving forward and i think any chance we have to share updates unishe or in time to continue to work to the community knows that there's work being done in neighborhoods to ensure that we're taking care of those long term as well as really  impact on my mind and i just i don't feel that same level of optimism has been brought to the financial modeling for the pool and so it tends to be sort of the worst case scenario on the cool and you know maybe a better case more optimistic snow i'd like just that same lens to be brought to both projects like we need the most realistic ally i i think a more realistic outlook on the pool may have more revenue coming in than was previously modeled maybe a more realistic here approach here as the utility provider coming in there so i just i want to make sure that we're treating both projects with the same lines of realism not that anybody has intentionally not done that but i just i want to encourage that type of the same level of creativity and optimism for this project be brought you know read it and there was one that  so the i think we are fairly conservative with almost all the numbers except the utility bill but i think that's where we said this isn't what he told the provider is going to have to kick in  earlier it's important that we get up front of this for the community and we really need to have real estate numbers as we've presented to them  the questions can turn comes from the public know and we're going to inventories calculates a useful life and anticipate coming up with a sore that overall c i p program for water and sewer by the end of september to a draft cxi program and that would be used to help asset management log you know after working out that assets of that we can better man and she know which plates need to be replaced and tracked and we have a picture of where they're allocating our time so we're we're starting to collect that data we any questions or concerns from the public or placement arnaz we would like to spend some time this fall doing some education ourselves and the housing commission planning commission and council if you're interested with some community partners so we concocted this fall then have the their their public hearing process run in conjunction with the master planning public hearing process to bring to you in the winter for your process things to run in parallel for final adoption theory and i'll just note that those two we wanted to outline for you tonight i'm not sure we're not looking for unless you want to take did i different go to different direction we're not necessarily looking for a book vote as much as i have some thinking that this timeline is is acceptable and i'll just say i think in the interest of this night's conversation discussion there's a lot of content in the in the memo didn't really appreciate all the work and thought that went into that i think the biggest thing for us to walk away from him tonight is the is this timeline understanding in the in the concerns around that specifically in ensuring that we african nations reserve the things that we believe we have to do regardless of what kind of warnings has adopted we have to set up a housing trust fund to receive funds and to be able to incentivize development we have to create some zoning but if you want to give us direction to do something else that's why we put the x here so this is these these two timelines are the timelines we would be following by for you giving us other direction staff of people who do this work for a living for housing developers other developers finance are used to say here's how this works in other communities here's the things you should be thinking about as a community as you cost of development just bringing knowledge to the community so it's out there and sworn in says are considered as we're going says our adopted it's really an education series it's not meant to necessarily dictate what we do it's just a lot of these these conversations are happening online in the regions easier p c did a series on a couple of a couple of meetings a series a couple of months ago these partners are willing and able to come and kind of give of their expertise all who want to attend so that our idea and thus far has been that we kind of role of this is a series and by the council housing commission planning commission and the general public and which we think we need also get some developers interested in attending as well the tail oh about the discussion that occurred at your last meeting as well and i think part of part of their discussion revolves around the fact that they weren't they weren't feeling as though they were properly educated on some of what's going on with the different ordinances with the different options as far as inclusionary zoning versus replacement housing and so they were looking for more information themselves in particular on just getting up to speed on what they would be asked to do in the future for some of this implementation when it comes down to it so i think that was one of the one of the focuses of having these these the house and series as well as to be able to help educate the planning commission as well as the community on on what what all these different options look like i was just the term the question back a little bit is the last time there is i think some pretty  clear direction of the risk interested in hearing hearing back from some of those organizations and if there's a at all turning prefer format for presenting that information is that a good question and i think to i mean it seems like that's what this was you're trying to address is that correct prepare to zero or is there a different mood for doing that that people would prefer i mean i think it is interested in sharing if it is a community input process that where we're treating it that way and making sure that particularly folks who may be impacted by and just as an aside i my understanding is that the reason we created the housing commission was so that that group would support the knowledge base of the planning commission and i think they also feel like they have been more  i think this is the sum of it is the pace at which they've had to complete that were let me have calls from the do in informational inputs to be what they are you know that makes sense it's just wrong from where we stood when they picked up the issues and you know kind of the view that it was with the housing commission and the feedback was hey we've got a very  very narrow scope of policies we don't want you to go off the rails and come up with all of the things we have a housing needs assessment that includes community outreach service is in connection with a lot of these partners here are the results of the policy recommendations standpoint we want  look at these paul says i think the reality that we're seeing is then just having those policies as potential recommendation to get the housing these assessments say you want to look at this you want to study its potential impact on your community will look like and  i don't i think what's different about this in my opinion potentially is that it's not going back to square one on this it's picking up where the issue is in saying this is the issue must be considered and having this person is there to talk about it and last about saying hey everybody let's open up the issue of housing generally from this really basic perspectives right nobody you're right we can just go back to square one of the service recreate everything and  that then there's all these other additional next steps and i'm just not sure how those with housing series in terms of a time frame because as you proposing as a proposing one path is to have a series where we are all increase our knowledge base and then sort of reconsider what's happened to date and come up with a new potential approach which some of the known seems to suggest we should do or is it we're moving forward with so in my mind how they fit together it is we are not so i think seth said this well this is not an attempt to start over and we have heard very clearly not far from you all that you are interested in moving forward with a replacement means moving forward with the consideration of inclusionary zoning so i think the housing series would be couched around this community is considering these two big tools these tools are confusing and have been implemented in very different ways in different parts of the country housing commission time with some experts to learn about those details and those nuances of those ordinances as they are being considered commissionable and done before a final draft of that is given we also want to make sure that the the people really impacted by the regulations understand what's in there as well so both of the the renters and also the developers so that they understand the processes that are going to be involved as far as ordinance is not the same thing from think it is city to city itself there are places that they're more successful at it and less successful at it so a comparison of the research on those that i read about boston versus san francisco they have very different outcomes because  housing trust fund education in that all that work is completed by november and that's when planning commission and then recommends final language but i think that's how it lines the other what i think you're right but then there's also stuff here that replacement already getting considering the question areas but we have never had a vote so we were trying to write this in a way that said if you feel like that's not how you want to go and want to give us other policy direction either tonight or at a future meeting the all those items function will be addressed from a policy decision standpoint in this timeframe and then from an ordinance implementation standpoint also at the same time in a batch  just a couple hearings and i would say that timelines are pretty important because if the composition of this body is going to change in a new way shape or form it's important this body have seen this work through number one number my name's on  couple years ago we held a charter change committee and there were a number of items that were put in the parking lot that were considered not rational essentially and  them's the committee felt you know hey we're really here to look at what are the rules of the treasurer how long should the term of a councillor be in some of these questions that are really more cleanup we have a bunch of technical things we had to open the charter for and by opening up issues that have broader social political and deeper nerves in the community and had sort of a broader impact we weren't really appropriate for that the composition that committed take on that point in time so the recommendation back to council from that committee was we think you should address these issues but we don't think we should do it right now in this technical church change that happened a couple years ago time has gone by and we have had a couple councillors especially you know bring up the fact that there are some those issues of we need to come back and address it's easy to times that by quickly so it was over bringing back that issue now to have that does delay or does a delay but it it produces the municipal ballot almost a month after the statewide ballots are available so there is going to be a period of time where there's a girly voting where people may come in and vote and we're going to need to communicate with the voters there at some point in future we're going to be sending them another ballot and they need to return it is possible we can do with one year are mistreated procedures but it is a it is a little not the differences but what the concerns were from alaska around is this presents a schedule that's condensed to get this on the ballot in four november general election which would you explain seeing this address and seeing the issue taken on i think the question is about this timeline and not just from a technical standpoint but i think from a as well and one thing that also you know came up last time was this conversation of the difference between counsel taking action to put something for the voters advice from the public in the form of a vote and take action on that this is an issue where we actually believe that if the public were to to file a petition on a ballot and it was successfully passed on the ballot  provide an adequate and robust public input process at push back and saying that this is a condensed timeline i think it runs really similarly to the time lines we've seen about it really important issues that hit the city like the main street revitalization project in the public hearings that went in advance without monaco and i think the timeline that you just shared in regards to the number of years that have gone by before that since the charter change commission and they surely reviewed some of these items a long time ago this is really impactful so i think this timeline is adequate to get this issue in front of voters to have a robust public engagement process beforehand so that the community can feel good about going to the ballot box i'm happy to dive into and recap some of the stuff i talked about of last meeting in regards to why i think it's so important to move forward with the november election but one of i think the most incentivising reasons is that this is a big decision for community unfortunately a lot of people really impacted by this decision because of the nature of what the decision is for have the ability to weigh in on that decision  however i think that we owe it to the remainder of the voting community right now and we sure that this is on the ballot during a time when voter turnout will be high during the november general election th pushing it to an election further down the road where just as a result of how election turnout works less people will likely be at the polls and have the opportunity to weigh in so i think that there is substantial reason for that as well just in regards to if this is a if the our community makes the decision to move forward on this issue i think moving it to a different election farther would have an impact on our ability to even get it passed which sure that would be another discussion all week and a half but assuming that we were it would delay implementation meaning that we're extending the number of years in which a value members of our community here right now don't have a forest still be unable to weigh and be a part of our community decision making process so i'm a for an advocate for the schedule as it's presented here in the memo and would really like to see that could impact on years on a project all the same exists for the legislative process is that this is an issue that will take a significant amount of time to go through the legislature it's not like other charter changes where there is a little administrative change or something that they'd probably approve pretty quickly on the spot this has to be work pretty thoroughly through committee and it will get political i think if this is in front of them at the start of an awful lection year session there is the much greater likelihood that they'll be able to work it that session if they don't get this until sometime in march as session is coming to a close which is when things are really picking up i think that that i think it's in your certainty that it would of course get delayed until the twenty twenty session there's no way they're going to be able to work this by the end of the twenty nineteen session so my friend i believe there's a strong likelihood it may get referred to committee put on the wall for the twenty twenty session and then there's a lot greater likelihood it will never come off the wall  and if it does because the twenty twenty section session is an election year session things in general are about to be a lot more hyper political and that would either be impact because everybody's posturing themselves in a lot of ways and there's just a lot more on their schedule to actually be able to accomplish in record time i think that you would either not get the attention it needs to come off the wall they say we can't deal with that this  or it would become so political it would dramatically and our ability to actually get it passed so i think don't laying it to extend the process which i don't think is necessary i think we have time for a really robust public process but delaying it to increase that amount of time and move it to march and then we'll make it very unlikely we'll actually be able to pass it and then even if which will be an uphill battle anyway if we are able to pass it because they didn't take it up until the twenty twenty session that could be depending on when it was passed and twenty twenty through the legislature if that was after march or with not enough time for implementation for march we'd be looking at the first time meeting today that people most impacted by this being able to vote would be two hundred twenty one and we just went through two gigantic important community for those who are already people have no ability to be a part of that process and i knew it would really bother me for us to look at a potential timeline that would put us another three years away from being inclusive community that we pay a lot that we speak to really often part of that is we have prophecies community input in the development of an approach and we haven't had this conversation as a community as sets that we're all philosophically aligne for non citizen voting you know george eloquently said earlier in the meeting that we're out front of our community a lot of issues and this is a really big issue that if we get it wrong there could be a lot of backlash well actually not healthy an expedited timeframe set said the committee to get a petition and it gets on the ballot and that that's a that's a vehicle for people to pursue this who want it to be decided in november i think we ought to treat this with the seriousness that it sort of deserves in terms of bringing people around the table and having a conversation about what you know what that could look like and what it what it means to that you build the kind of understanding and buy in from across our community about why this is so and that fear that it will be perceived as sort of another big item that's being circumvent out of nowhere and people don't feel like there's been you know main street did have a really big public process in terms of the their own form based code and there was all you know a lot of time spent on developing that same thing with the pool so yes some of the bombs go processes for expedited but it wasn't a brand new conversation for the community you know burlington they voted on it and it failed because they didn't do that i don't think that they didn't have the support within the community for that change and so my fear you know we have a bunch of technical changes we need to be made around finance and budgeting and i think who you asked to serve on that committee really should reflect the pace of change working for us so i personally would want george s do a lot of media have a bigger committee that was a pretty small committee that was looking at very technical issues having a charter change that would allow for non citizens voting i would think would have a different type of committee but i would say that i think i think that this schedule does allow for a significant amount of public interaction and we're also talking about i think the part of the point in that is there's there's something else other than just having a pass but i think that's a lot of this is something different than just having a majority vote on things right  that's and i think no credit for this but you know five years six years ago we were a community that was improving but its fifty three to forty seven you know we got seventy one percent last time around then through an increase that's that's the community from buying into an overall vision and a lot of leg work in time that went into crafting those visions in the investment patterns that were done in the pool  because you can pass something doesn't mean the what's left behind from the community perspective in the the way that the conversation took place is going to leave behind a good environment and that's i think that to me is the question that we're trying to balance here i would say that what's left behind to where you just said is that people who are already feel terrible about this because they're being taxed and don't have a say in how those tax dollars are being used so the say that this process because you don't feel it's robust enough would make members of the community feel resentment about how it was done there already a lot of people in the community that are severely impacted from this that i would imagine feel a lot of resentment because it hasn't it i don't i don't disagree with that but that doesn't then this as a faith that you do the policy development in the wrong way for the entire community and i appreciate it but my concern is from what the lingering effects are and that's that's ok dr green on that but i think just saying your perspective that people are newly impacted are not acting six months sooner or four months sooner or five months sooner if there's a good argument on the other side that people feel strongly about that there's a maybe a different holistic approach that takes place that leaves behind a stronger community but that's part of our go to it's not just political calculus in counting votes to me that's not that's not the way we make decisions about how we move forward in the peace in which we move forward you can't be not to me and that's my reflection in my and my beliefs and that's in terms of suspicion and big decisions and then any amount of time we can buffer people to the process being gauged ask questions and be thoughtful about it wall also notch coming off the tail of a couple of other big support of measure we said you know we're not pursuing your right now our souls we appreciate the fact that a community should have the right to do this and it it reinforces that so there are alternate ways that you can participate in that intensive work around the budget with the community around the budget and i don't disagree it's about having four months it's about how in four months for a conversation to play out in america listed within the community having a committee do the work i think that if it was a difference of how do we do with this large day we need a lot of very specific details all that would feel a lot more appropriate to me for the church age committee  longer process if it's a should the community do this no i think that the community would be really ready after multiple public hearings and a lot of discussion between now and november in two and a half almost three months to be able to vote in to vote confidently regardless of which way that i just ask you this is a different issue no pun intended because you know we're the most diverse community and state inclusive participatory community a large part of the community can come to the table so now's the time i support this and i think will be surprised at how much support we will invest here for this kind of policy of the concerns that i have of exactly the way it's going to look in the community and that actually we all agree but from a process standpoint can't agree on this timeline and that's too bad for me and i do think it's going to put community members in a place that is really challenging and is going to put through community making a decision in a way that's going to cause more conflict than there needed to be on the issue and subject so i can forward that that's to me actually the benchmark of what's made it so successful and why we're pointing to as a model community this room in the same direction and is reflective of how we've gotten so much accomplished speak with her attorney regarding a matter of litigation second we also have the right and just in relation to that first date it's connected to the tip district which is our downtown finance industry and or a lawsuit that is a public matter that discuss the potential on selection of treasure candidates and again it's an employee action we're going to we're going to be discussing applicants for a job that it's a personal matter that's conduct