plans should not supersede zoning laws in fact that's the whole reason why we have a community planning commission and i want to thank all the commission here for all you guys it's hard work and work and all the rest of the communities that have a hoarding on our to  i think they're valuable assets and i think i agree with what the mayor was saying earlier in regards to what is it twenty years to make a commute plan these days twenty five years even that that is ridiculous and i think that doesn't show that i mean it might show how our county isn't our government is not doing its due diligence and maybe it is ineffective but you don't throw the baby out with the bath water at the community planned there and important thing that we should aspire to get the community involved and have a say on what how we develop our island so the fact that we take so long to make a community plan doesn't mean you get rid of the community plan you work i make can streamlin they should be because that's the law by the state as to sion so i just want to be on record to say that i'm for making community plans not black not safe for so long but also you don't want to and discretionary applications the proposal would exempt roadways not for use to let me live from a minimum lot area requirements and would allow commercial and noncommercial filming photography and other temporary commercial events plans that are done by the by staff parking review we get a lot of consultants who come before us and ask for a parking analysis we also review building permits but we are we send it back they have to continually resubmit it continually do not need to make the correction correctly or they only do a partial version and we will sometimes have to cycle through some building permit reviews two three four times some applicants and so on the first time no problem or you get here you're good to go but if we have to continually go back and have you resubmit the same application or  land it was kind of a waste the other provision of that was because that district does have a sliding scale provision where we do restrict the number of law that eventuality could be created by a larger parcel that counts toward one of needed all those little concrete substations and switching stations that they used to have all along in various neighborhoods and they were like only three thousand square foot lot or less there was one in that the only capital this provision would basically not allow that to happen so somebody does take advantage of this provision to create the to the law would have to be stay that way and if a lot ever is no longer use that utility purpose they would the only thing they could do with these maybe do a consolidation stored it into an empty tin lock in the future but it will not be able to get an efficient p l o people lock down the road this is not be able to pull for that purpose so again most likely in our discussions is going to be only for like three middle of the circle administrative permit or in the case of like maybe a parking analysis we may charge economic both of these are all nominal fee thinking that twenty five sick and tired of hearing people spread rumors like that because the planning commission in the process of doing the the community plan and general plan is only one aspect of what you do so it's possible the general plan or the community plan that we've been working on with this particular part of period in two thousand and three the general plan of the process started with a focus on two thousand and three two thousand four chapter two point eight  started two thousand and three all the planning process should be had been done by twenty thirty another fact the period which the plan is supposed to be worked out and by the time we get done if you're looking at having four to five years to be able to to do this looking at what's been happening with the time we get done it'll be twenty five to thirty years before we get done with the community plan process so that the plan will have been adequate twenty years before the last one is adopted which doesn't make any sense at all at least it doesn't make any sense will actually make some sense when you start looking at information that's worth a ten year plan that's over ten years all the reason is a ten year plan is because you want to be able to take things  plan process does not work so our goal is it mistress is to rethink the planning process now the planning department and charging them to go through and look at other communities and see how other communities come up with a planning process we have no conceived methodology by which we're going to say this is the way our planning process is going to take place these are the steps that take place this is the way to introduce the public so that all of us can start looking at it and start say this is what we would we think we should be looking at this is how we think it should be going so all the rules of the country that we already have established goal is false and i've been hearing these rumors coming up than people are calling it on twitter and facebook and i think it's we should have a very clear what the goal is now what we're doing this we also have to take into consideration that much of the information that's being worked on because all the decision making on all information does not bring into play a lot of the new information which is with the general plan on moving long island ha this was a viable sugarcane operation at the time there was no discussion as to what would happen if you can company called so none of the process that we have to look at thirty six thousand acres of agriculture how we're going to try and redo it what are we going to do the with the two hundred million gallons or so water that is now on lock when sugar i was that supposed to be worked on what major things like this occur we need to be able to have the flexibility to  rethink how we're going to plan the process and to bupa this information into play if we're stuck with a planning process that the current community plan that we're looking at i sure the committee back almost twenty years ago when we did it and that's a plan we're using right now because we don't have a new plan yet so we don't look and no idea when we're doing that all these things are going to happen the newer technologies that are people he will do first as you hear i feel to be able to communicate with the community information is to be able to get the community to participate that exist what's on t v right now you can go to america's favorite stars or the song contest and they can actually vote the community can actually vote on issues and if we look at the newer on where we should go so i'm suggesting that we look at different technologies that are available that weren't available before as start incorporating those into how we're going to be doing things there's a major changes that are occurring for instance we were discussing alternative energies when we did the plan today we have a mandate at the state level to go to one hundred percent alternative energy we don't have a play with that in many parts of our community zero to ten years of mid term plane process for projects that take a little bit longer and have process a little bit longer and a long term planning process where our goals of the community are set and we say we would like to have clean water we would like to be able to reforest announce where we look at long term goals as like working on that also in creating the planning process that we have currently there's no claim national responsibility to be able to enact the plan there's no there's no financing that goes along or is required to make what we think should happen happen in the approve all land use and  we don't have a process say this is what the plan is asking let's convert it let's get it all done those kind of things i think need to be taken into consideration in how we're trying to organize it the community as i see it is suffering tremendously because of a lot of older ruled over regulations and what's happening is the housing costs with people  six seven hundred thousand dollars most of the members of our community can afford to be able to see for a house in our community is our goal a long term goal should one of them  toward rent rather than two guys working in the family sitting for the whole thing and not being able to see the mortgage payments because that's the direction we're going now so i see the system that we have is very broken and i'm looking for suggestions and ways to be able to change the system so that we can have people within our communities survive within our communities you know we try to become  micromanage a lot of the process and we try to put in the regulations for every little thing and what that does is every time you do that a cost is added to be able to create a house and when you start adding all those little cost together we come out with six seven hundred thousand dollars median income hose we have to start looking realistically at what our community can afford where our community wants to be what they have and to get back to seeing the goals and how to get there realistically within our process so this is what i'm suggesting we look at as a group we look at it and by the way the planning commission can't just be process and when should they come into play should we have professional planners people that are the experts in roads people that are experts in what kind of equipment to learn in need to be able to create the sure systems those kinds of people should be the was a create the framework of information for which we need to start the planning process but when we get a start the planning process without good information and that's one of the thing that's missing right now the way the jeep act was put together the way they did it and so this does everybody has to make a lot of suggestions on how the community should be but without the ability to actually in real in real life i give you an example of one of what to be able to fix the road and we have to get that once were for a twenty match it takes close to seven years us to be able to apply and then be able to to get funded and then to actually construct the road which is not something that you can say i want done and just haven't done when we're looking at places like our harbors to the corps of to be able to actually and put is separate from the short term plans so that we can actually the short term plans of the thinking man or the midterm plans or the plan that the long term plans in a and that's a goal what i'm asking everybody to start looking at having the discussion all but if your implication that we are trying to relive or push a process to right now is absolutely false there is nothing that's happening right now what we're doing is we have to brought to the council the issue of reviewing the planning process and start the process of  on how we can make the process better that's all put to the council i hope to pretty much explain what we're trying to do why we're trying to do it at the end of the day if we don't do this we're going to find that we have submitted challenges because we're not the only ones that are involved in planning my we count we have county responsibilities which state responsibilities in the federal responsibility one of the major challenges we're working with right now is to be able to get the state planning or highways to coincide with how the communities are being planned and their planning group and their funding so in order for us to be able to get the state to do it in the matter what we plan to do that ministration has to be working with the state to be able to put those kinds of plans into play so those are more long range plans but if we have them in place then at these we have to wait to talk to them about it since this is what we would like to really consider put into your long range plans because this is what the community wants a leash plan but just be very much aware that the actually step with the proper number of people so we could have meetings so i'm hoping that that is something that does not become a major issue all with this commission you know the other thing is our they're not employees of the commission they're here to support you in whatever way they can support you so you have to work with them because if you thought work with them they don't have to be here we don't have to put the here council for more funding to come over to these meetings we don't doubt that the council would provide that funding so i wanted to clear up that misconception that i'm wanting to revisit the schedule is ferry and taking flights and the issue is really the demand that they put on staff to come over and have to stay the night and so when i w now but with other items if we're not certain or if we know for sure it's going to be bigger discussion then we plan to stay overnight so maybe it's just as simple as flexible as each agenda comes out  get that feedback i was assuming we can still have the public testify there's not going to be any exchange and i really hope that you can come back because i think we do have questions and comments and do want to have a dialogue so i'm going to open up public testimony at this time is there anyone in the audience wishing to testify jet fuel stor department believe that we were filing for gasoline tank so that's a quick summary i thought i'd give you a sequence of possible way out so you can understand that clearly this was not deceptive in october two thousand and thirteen and then i'm tenant was to have the tank filled with premium gasoline so the responses that we received from and june eighth of two thousand and fifteen we received a notice from tony planning that the placement of the troops in the fleet should not be done that it was a historic site and you don't put troops in something that never had trees so with that point we were looking to put in a jet fuel tank and we said ok well here's gunslingers useful there is all types of other fuel there let's put in the tank that's down the tank is somewhat old and we're finding we have to refill it fairly regularly so this will allow us not to have to refill regularly so there will be the normal permit goes through for still looking at doing that but we've come up with a way to do this in which everything is completely correct and we are not having leadership so one range is jet fuel i wanted to thank the board for moving this item to october and there's just a few things i submitted to the county of maui to change everything to just because in one or on me that when we had back in august she said her email to change forthcoming that has not been forthcoming and the third thing  mission we are allowed to ask questions but not deliberate or vote so michelle you can come back up so we can finish asking her questions thank you margaret checking on that i remembered in the us we have been able to do that so it's kind of prized here that we weren't have you and if you haven't why not consider saturday meetings or charter ing your own expeditions ferry as has been suggested numerous occasions we have considered those and those are less desirable options for our staff they're staying  what they really choose to do terms of their family responsibilities and their personal schedules that's not something that i would insist  something like that here then you don't have to come in for months you can do one someone come one one the next month do it by  can be taking off and because we have two members over there it will be working tonight three members too long or so what i'm saying is we can't even get them to come to a meeting here live here but they have to work remainder of this which to me doesn't make sense because they would be here today if they were on but he's turned down talk with staff about those and see if any of those are all workable for the teleconferencing it's telephone conferencing now with the council and we are looking for there that is a project that they really had in the works so that might be a possibility in the future it would probably still require at least one person coming in to set it down but it would be an option for example for coun already advanced as i mentioned that something that's the cost of the employee has to put on their credit card and so they would get charged for that and have to pay that bill and not get reimbursed internally actually travel   really considered  we just wanted to add a few things we've been having this conversation for quite some time i think it started back in two thousand and fourteen we're at the cafeteria as that was our correct me if i'm wrong commissioner that's i mean they gave us that i remember a sheet that had the breakdown of costs and how much they're spending and how do you cut that so this is is new is i think to all of us here that it's not a budgetar don't know where the confusion went there but that has been on record stated many times it's frustrating because we have provided numerous  is frustrating because i think there is a perception that the planning commission doesn't want to work with the department wants to you know pressure you die and cause all these problems when in fact for the past two years we have really been providing which i think has been really great solution to the economy and then i just kind of wanted to correct because the five o'clock meeting we had or it was when it was four o'clock that director spence changed that and you know you're at four o'clock and even though you voice that there wouldn't be quorum at five o'clock there was the reason we asked to go back to five there he was we changed it back to o'clock and you know it's a short agenda i think that's definitely doable i think we are here to to really look at alternative solutions is i just need to share with you it's really frustrating when we've had this perception that it's been a money thing the entire time and then provided solutions and has gone absolutely nowhere also i mean i think it's simple suggestions of you know  you come with a pretty big team of people here and how to how do you cut that down you know counsel is not here tonight but great he was accessible by phone that's awesome you know obviously loni has to be here  in the past and i understand that maybe some staff not wanting to come on saturdays we did it when we reviewed this it really worked i think we did like nine to twelve but obviously that could be looked at too so i just want  n in the past and we've asked where has our suggestions not and never really had any answers so yes at times it can get a little heated or passionate because as i said two years and  i can only speak from a so but sometimes feel like we're not being heard it's frustrating but i appreciate you coming in and appreciate you having this discussion with us and hopefully the next time we can get this on the agenda and have  are in place that we're happy he's monthly meetings i till we can discuss otherwise or come up with something you know that's why we voted last month to have continuous meetings and we don't want to continue to be under investigation and it comes back to us not not the kind of partner oh thank you for your comments and i did want to come here today because when i did talk with folks at the budget the mayor's budget meeting and did find out that there was that belief that it was all budgetary really that's why i wanted to come and say yes the budget is a concern for students it's taxpayer dollars we have to be mindful of conversation and also include others that can't be here when are you able to do that i would need to look at my calendar if my calendar turns it and if not next month i just want to make sure it doesn't slip away like it has in the past  etc could you work with say hotel overnight and see if they would be willing to book out without charging you up for the whole year or you know every other month if you get to your conference here where they were and secondarily see if to the fire prevention iraq and subsequent approval letter for the president three permit number given to the jet fuel storage project and they can perform noun i got a response  when someone could send a request for comment with the finance department they will appear on this open project this kind of strange but that's what they say they're going to do in any regard to your asking the