go to vote and then people are of course going to make their own decisions and we will say either i am a ourselves we are not advocating for the poor but we do think it's important to give proper information to pool was opened last year only because we were able to get a variance from the state and it was a one year variance and that is one reason why we are here this evening at this time because we have decided and the selectmen had decided with us that we would work so that we would not lose a season of the pool we can work to have the construction start after the pool closes in in august and the construction would take place next fall and into the spring and we would expect to have the pool open for the year two thousand and fifteen we do not know of course whether we will be allowed to have another variance flow next year but the state board of health and our local board of health indicated to us that the health and already member of the committee so what will i want to do to set this up a little bit is just picture we all have the right facts on the chronology of our historic pool ok so again a june seventeenth hundred twelve was the formal opening of the pool again it's been documented that this is the first public outdoor pool in there for the almost one year and we shall be proud of that and you can see a chronology of events in minor repairs to the service a printer the plumbing the walkways the slate and that's kind of that's kind of the condition that you see today so the recent time  tried to post up here just to understand the process that brings us to where we are today in june two thousand and twelve as incentive of the board of health concerns and other factors the board of selectmen fund the future ability study and prior tract and twenty thirteen april the board of selectmen voted to support design option one of which was to rebuild the pool place in maybe twenty thirteen the town meeting of  so we basically done that through from last october through february we completed the schematic design of the project but estimate and we had ordination meetings with various town apartments and i just want to close by saying this project this following the standard process that all other capital projects in town follow with the feasibility study the schematic design that exclusion and then if that exclusion  successful we would be moving through finishing design over the summer and basically doing construction from off this fall off through the following spring providing no loss of time and th we did a great survey three four months ago we got five hundred or so responses and really valuable responses and not only the pool but also on the  doing online surveys is really quite remarkable that was in two weeks and read through every single one of the responses there were a handful of questions that were quantitative so that we could get a sense of how many people were coming to the pool how many people were no longer coming to the pool where they were likely to use the pool how old were their children so that we could understand how their feedback related to how well their kids were and questions like that then we asked a series of open ended questions what do you like about the pool what do you not like about the pool what do you want to see in a new pool we read through all of those responses we got a vast amount of feedback and what we did is we tried to boil it down to understand what were the major key points that people were interested in so for example one of the things people talked about was wanting to see children young children particularly diaper children in a separate pool with separate water from some of the older children and and adults so that was an example of the kind of feedback that we got that was repeated over and over all of that feedback went into the design process so it went to the designers it went to the committee we made a presentation about it and so we all had a really good perspective both from the public meetings and from the five hundred people who filled out the survey of what the community was asking for as david mentioned people didn't limit their responses to what they wanted in the design of the pool they took it as an opportunity to give us feedback about everything that all of their feelings about the pool and so we heard a lot about policies whether it was policies about cost or policies about what they were permitted to do as well as i want to dive what back so that's what the public said the public input survey was it was great and very useful evening everybody out of death i am vice chair of this pool committee i'm a member of the work committee in town meeting member for precinct one where the pools are located and we're here to explain to you what we're thinking so i'm sure you're all wondering  other pools in the country have different features never put stickers on there to get comments and the one thing that sort of came through all of that was the need for a multi generational pool the way that it is now for better or for worse the pool basically is is  sentially a pool for kids and in families with small children that's sort of how it has been playing out in recent years and the idea is to make it something that everybody could use a place that there be for smaller kids and then a place for adults we heard a lot about having lap lanes we heard a lot about having a diving board of the diving area that would be legal as opposed to the one that we have now and to have a separate area for children and with that so taking into account what everybody wants obviously changes the pool and the design from what you're used to to something that's more modern something that's more in tune with what people want because honestly there's no point building a pool it's not going to fulfill the needs and solve some of the problems that we currently have with the pool so we went through that we came up with the design we obtain to contractor responses and estimates to get some figures and the cost came out as you know with the five point two million which we will break down for you in a moment so first of all so what are we why are we doing this well as you as you've heard i think pretty explicitly replace failing pool in non coca plant bathhouse you may notice that in two thousand and twelve the diving board went away and then in two thousand and thirteen the pool was not allowed to open without a waiver from the health department as a result we've seen membership in the last two years decline decline while the cost of continuing to put band aids on this pool to keep it up and running go up and up to the point where the pool was making a profit  for many years in the last two years has started to incur losses so that the pool is not not functional either to code level or to financial level at this point create the multi generational pull as i just explained code compliant i pleasant restrooms is probably an understatement compared to the condition of the restrooms that are currently there and staff a silty which our current lack currently lacking in again we'll show you the inside of the proposed buildings respect to preserve the historic value of the site  you know we heard loud and clear from the neighbors that this skeet depressed skating area here along concord avenue that we were not to touch that impinge upon that and we heard that loud and clear and we have not the that obviously has implications for what you do on the rest of the site but that is an aspect that people wanted it likewise people wanted to continue to drive down concord avenue and see the pool and see the hillside or drive down school street and see the hillside and see the pool and continue to sled down the hill and those sorts of things so we did not want to impinge upon those and we have not improved park access particularly not just handicapped access but access in general from concord avenue and from school street as well as from cottage street improve school street as well as from concord avenue where the bus stops are and where people park and also outdoor amenities to encourage public participation again make it a pool that people actually would go to which was the whole point of doing this in the first place so what have we done so this is obviously not actual size but this is the the swimming pool you can see is actually two pools and so here is concord avenue here is cottage street down at the bottom of the screen with the school street in the hill and such so what you see here is you've got concord avenue you've got a new area here which would be just for drop off you would then have the where the bus stop is have an actual gathering area make it sort of a focal point to the people could know where to go come down the sidewalk here and then enter on the side of what we're calling here the east bath house the door being is facing concrete avenue we and it approached an idea of a facing a cop street but we didn't want to do that and respect for the neighborhood we wanted to have it facing more towards concord avenue to have people coming from there you can see here the current parking lot which is currently just right up on cottage street and his head in with a part with a utility pole in the middle of it you notice also that kind of street being one way towards con we've angled the parking spaces and had a little bump out here so that you can't make that turn in any reasonable way and also to make the parking little safer when cars pull out they're not pulling right out into cottage street which is a very narrow street as you know  then have this new walkway and there's another plan which show a better idea this side of cottage street has no sidewalk on a currently cop street is too narrow to build a sidewalk out into the street currently and still have the passage so what this is a is  a walkway that is in side the current land of the park not impinging on the street the street with will not change and to make that then up a path which comes down then cuts through the park and goes up to wellington wellington the new wellington school is a parking lot the beauty of it is that people can park at the wellington school and come down to the pool because when the pool is in use in the summer time the school is less in use if not not in use certain camps and i'll do use the wellington school for camps however when the pool is as peak at nights and weekends as nobody at the wellington school so this actually is a good opportunity to utilize the parking there however you have to give people a way to get down to the pool and hence the  the walkway you'll note that we have two bath houses here this is basically the same size and location as the current bath house that you know the idea is then to have another bath house here that filter house as you know is on the cottage ave side currently although it's slightly depressed into the ground this would pull it up out of the ground in order to do that other changes you'll note here see the fence line the fence line is now pulled further out it is not impinging upon the skating area however it does allow for more lawn area inside the grounds of the pool this right here this dotted line you see here is that culvert which is the top of where the wellington brick goes when it goes underground behind the library and comes out over the clay pond that walkway you see there is actually the top of the culvert we're not touching that however we would be putting dirt over it and creating lawn there we're not going to dig or break into or mess with the covert other than just to cover it because that way we can get some more lawn area for people to hang out inside the pool area the so the safety of the access and the law and the the two pools obviously the idea of the two pools i know that that ellen touched upon it in a very genteel way however  have to say as i said the word committee because i did see in the press when people were talking at the board of selectmen about how it had to be two pools in case of accidents and people were wondering about the liability were people tripping and falling at the pul to be to be blunt and to be clear we're talking about children occasion in the water when we talk about accidents from now on so when there are accidents accidents in the pool the what happens now is the entire pool has to shut down for the rest of the day basically and the old inefficient pumps then have to cycle all the water through as somebody who goes swimming more after work and somebody has gone to the bathroom in the pool at two in the afternoon then the pool shut down for the rest of the day that's a big big bummer for me and for other people particularly adults who want to go later in the day so by having two pools it eliminates that issue because well at least one pool would be able to still be operational so and this is what we're calling the family pool here this is the pool which is got them the deeper areas which is actually kind of a very clever design how the architects took it and you start with a shallow area then you get into like a deeper kid's area then you get to an even deeper area than even a deeper area than a diving area which is the deepest area so sort of works in a little bit of a spiral which is kind of cool  so the cycle of life if you will as you go through the and this also then has the opportunity here to put in lap lanes at times you could put a broken have lap lanes or you could take the ropes up when you could just have a deeper area for people to play and swim and as they do now this is an area here is an island which has allowed us over at this island to be for lifeguards to stand on so they could patrol the poles and then also be up to him to put this little underwater bench here for adults to sit down in the water and be able to watch their children in the very shallow shallow area of the pool here while the lifeguards are doing the patrolling up here there's a slide here over here would be a little pop jets just sort of little sprayers that come out of the ground you know fun things for the kids these are the types of things that we heard from the public meetings that people wanted to have at the pool over here you could gain so this is a zero entry here very very zero entry and then all the way in over here it goes down gets deeper and then over here an actual legal twelve foot diving well this pool is smaller than the current pool and i will show you the slide where the superimposed upon each other however it is smart sized currently is you know the pool is very shallow around the entire edge and then it gets deeper into the middle with the diving board right into the middle of where people want to be in the middle of them or used to be the diving board and where people were swimming it's not a very efficient use of space particular in the deep end work got super shallow but this does is it is smaller but it takes up all the space that you would want to use and gets rid of the space that people don't use to get sort of that wall in the middle so the two bath houses so so let me give you a detail then this is before we get on that this is concord avenue this is the new drop off area was talking about and this is where the bust up you can see the b benches there be a little seating area to make people want to enter here off of concord avenue and that that sort of the idea another thing that we're doing here which i should mention for move on concrete avenue while we're doing work here likewise going up cottage street there are a lot of invasive trees there a lot of trees very pretty but a lot of invasive trees dead trees dying trees that is to fin this out and get rid of the invasive dead and dying trees build in understory keep the greenery there but make it you know nice greenery and make it something that we can all enjoy so and that's what we're showing here so that is to keep calm if you have a nearby thinning these trees out to the actual trees that you want to have there and then putting some lower plantings down below you can have this sort of entire green wall if you will going down cottage street along the side of the park and you can see here this is that new pa even though the pathway then comes out along concord at st i'm sorry that cuts over and goes on the inside of the tree line the idea is not to disturb the tree line to keep the tree line but to enhance the tree line and still provide some pedestrian access of people don't have to cross a school street then cross cottage street twice to go down to the pool you just cross over once where there's already a cross walk by the wellington school across school street take a straight shot down to the down this walkway and then you're there so this is the pool that i've been describing you can see a little more in a cross section here this is the this is the kiddie pool as i said zero entry goes down to three three half feet when you go here this pool here starts here at four feet and goes down to over that says this one here is the lab is the area which would have left lanes or not if you wanted to do that and then it goes down into the diving well so again you can see these here you can see where those pop jets of water sprayers are located and you get a better idea of the island with the shade trellis and the underwater bench on this shows this dotted line around here is the current pool so you can see that it's basically in the same place and how the architects of cleverly tried to you know echo the old curve of the old pool at the curve of the kids pull however as i said smart sized getting rid of some of the dead space that's in the current bathhouses that according to the code of the modern code we do not comply with that with the number of bathrooms lavatories showers and such that are required for the pool size that we have and the reason why what we're proposing these two bath houses because in order to have a pool the size we're posing you need to have x number of showers and bathrooms and they have to be of a certain size and you cannot fit them all in the look in the size of the one bath house we currently have so that's why we're talking about having the one bathhouse the space of the same size as we have where it is and then having another smaller one over on street because of the code requirement and here this shows you the breakdown of the total fixtures required for the new pool that we're proposing the sixteen showers sixteen toilets broken down by by sex and the total would be required for the existing pool of twenty four that's one of the other reasons why we are knocking down the size of the pool is because in order to we had to go up to twenty four toilets and showers you would have a couple of big honkin bath houses there a we don't need the net net so the extra space because the current pool size as i said a lot of it's not really usable  secondly it just doesn't work we're trying to balance the needs for the pool to be large enough to to service the people who are going to use it but yet not have too many structures that we don't want to build on the site so it's a bit of a balancing act  to show talk about the pool houses this is the bath house this is the bath house which is currently which is on the proposed to be in the location where the current bath houses over on the westerly side by the library you can see you've got family bathrooms which we don't have now for areas where you know entire families could go in and change together you could help small children get ready then you've got them other shower areas toilet areas this would be the entrance here janitor area storage area lifeguard room which we currently really don't have a place for the lifeguards to put their stuff and to be when they're off duty and then some other toilets here this is the cottage street side this is that others the first small bath house here which would have the control point again as i said the entrance faces caught concord avenue  come in on the side then you have someone there you show your badge to the control room person there and then there are lockers which we heard a lot of people want to have the ability to lock their phone or their wallet or whatever it is currently we've got nothing whatsoever to do for to just have some lockers you could bring a padlock and put your stuff in the first day place the men's and women's shower rooms some more lockers some more family changing rooms these this is a then a fence it's not the two buildings are not one building it's it's two separate buildings are trying to break up the massey and cobb street rather than one big long building here we have a small bath house and then this is that filter pump house but we have in the filter pump house here we have the ability to throw some bathrooms here facing out so that if you wanted your kids to go to the bathroom for instance you want to keep an eye on them you can sit here the kids can go in the kids can come out they don't have to go inside the building road so you wouldn't necessarily see them so that was something that we heard from people this is got some sort of on program space for maybe vending machines or something the rec department would want to use there so we're putting that area in there and then of course the pumps to pump one for each of the pools currently if there were one big pool you'd have one big expensive pump with two smaller pools you have two smaller less expensive pumps certainly not cheaper than having the one pump because you want the economy of scale of one pump versus two but that is the trade off to having the two pools for the reasons we describe so this is the proposal for the small bath house that is on a cottage street again sort of looking at it at an angle because this door members facing congress avenue you can see here it's going to open an airy kind of this cool beach shack kind of vibe that we're going for here the historic district commission was stating to us that they did not want us to mimic the old bathhouse they wanted something that was more modern and honestly i can understand why i mean honestly when you go to put something new in there that looks kind of like the old it's kind of fake and disney fied i mean this is more what the twenty first century pool that we're trying to create here is it goes with the pool and it's residential in scale the some of the issues that we rig in the room the reasons we have this this here is in order to try to break up the massing you can see here that we're using a lot of the natural light here we've tilted the roof to allow for solar panels to be put on sometime in the future there's no money in the budget to do that now but we're not going to preclude it so we're going to have them tilted in the right direction in order to do that there a lot of louvers invents a very open area these are not terribly you know robust buildings necessarily that you're talking about unheated uninsulated buildings that are only for summertime use so that makes them somewhat durable and makes them also a lot cheaper to construct that way because you don't have to worry about weatherizing and heating systems and that sort of thing  the so this is from the other side this is the that zero entry kids pull that i was talking about you can see here the end of that island for the lifeguards to stand on the little bench in the trellis to give a little shade to the lifeguards when they're standing there so these are this is what you're looking at facing cottage street from the inside you can see it's open here with a nice new fence instead of the kind of junky old one we have now this is that bad looking at you see all these doors slide open in a very big an open and airy you can see this is that pump that we're talking about one of the things reasons why the pump is no longer in bed in the ground is you know the ground water here is very high one of the problems we've been having is that because the brook runs there and the groundwater is very high that the water pressure pushes up against the bottom of the pool that's what's caused the cracking and problems that we've been having and also floods the current submerged filter house so that d p w has some pumps that are always running in there to keep the water out of there so it doesn't destroy the pumps so the idea to basically pull the pool and pull the felt her house out of the water basically if you think of it sort of like there's a bucket the pool is like a big bucket of water and it's currently sitting down in a pool of water ideas to pull the bucket up out of the water so then the pressure is going to be pushing up against the bottom of the pool and destroying at the same thing for the filter house we do not want to have brand new filters and pumps and have them destroyed because the groundwater comes back in that's one of the failings of the current situation and we're going to solve that by pulling it up out of the ground we keep  and again to break them into two buildings to kind of have that rhythm like the houses on the street do the this is the bath house where the current bath houses this is the what we're calling the west bath house you can see here this is the other pool with the area where you could have lap lanes or you could be playing years in this case playing over here is the diving area so this basically occupies about the same space as the current bath house does again sliding doors very open lots of natural light very minimal ventilation are some required mechanical ventilation for bathrooms and such but for the most part it's all it's naturally vented so that's good for saving energy and again the tilted roof or the solar panels if we decide to go there in the future and again you can see the nice decorative fence around the site this you could also set it up to put in lamp lanes and have the starting blocks for if you're going to have people adults who want to do laps or one of the swim teams or somebody wanted to come here and do a metre something like that it would be of the regulation size for that sort of thing but again you could set it up like that you could set it up like that gives some flexibility which we currently don't have so i guess before i get to that let me go back to the site plan because i wanted to make a few points to that i mean are there been some discussions about want why we're having the extra bathhouse i think i've tried to explain that the prop because if you have the pool of this size and again smaller than a pool we have you have to have the second bathhouse because you can't cram everything over into the current size bethel's so if you do that then where's the second bathhouse going to go well the issue over here is the wetlands related to the wellington brook and we have talked with the conservation agent they've encouraged us strongly to stay within the current footprint of the of the existing house while they probably wouldn't want you building anything there in the wetlands today there's a building there now and as long as we stuck within the same size we probably in the same location they felt more comfortable about that getting something else approved by the conservation commission is  proposition so we've tried to stay within that footprint in that size so that's the west side over here you start dealing with the culvert and the stream that goes under there and we really don't want to do that nor do we want to block that vista that everybody seemed to like driving by concord avenue and seeing the pool that was something that people felt very strongly about and we did have some schemes where we had a pool house over bathhouse tried to put one over here just wasn't a feasible thing putting one over here is a couple of challenges one being the great drops down like that so it becomes more expensive to construct it because of the hill secondly it's got to do with d p w accessing the filter house and accessing the site they need to be able to get their truck and pull up here to be able to access if you put it way over here it gets harder to get to thirdly would be the eighty excess ability you want to be able to have very easy to pull into a handicapped parking space and be able to roll a wheelchair right in and right over rather than have to and if you have it over here to have to go up and around the hill that sort of thing so it really wants to be over here and also honestly it engages the street and makes it more friendly atmosphere and so we felt that this is really the only location we put the smallest bathhouse we could manage to get over here we broke it up over here again the filter really has to be here for maintenance purposes and the filter is there now to be honest with you it's just a guess as i said earlier embedded in the ground we did put up with a nice little fence here just for security purposes and to present something pleasing to the neighbors but that hasn't been designed yet how how open or how an open that fence would be is certainly something that can be discussed later in the process it's not really cost issues just a matter of what what the neighbors would like we tried to offset this that so that it wasn't having like a front door facing somebody is front door so we moved that we actually had a scheme and then we realized that's what the what was going to happen we moved it so that actually more lines up with here instead of somebodies house we move the door over side trying to respect the neighborhood here and trying to have as little impact as possible and to make these buildings as residential in scale and small as possible i know we can't please everybody that wouldn't be that would be bomb want anyway however we v and so i guess one of the big questions you probably have is why did the price go up and i think that's a logical question to ask from the feasibility study which b h n a did about a year or so ago to the five point two million dollars cost now so this is how it breaks down ninety biggest to read through the whole things but you can basically see where the prices are coming to and you get to this the construction cost just keep my of the five point two million the construction cost is the four point four million ok when you get over here then you start adding the soft cost which is the the designing fee the project manager and clerk of the works to make sure that there's some oversight with the project we don't want to have another one of those projects where it gets built and then something goes wrong because nobody was watching the contractors while the work was going on it's money well spent the o p m fee is required by law anyway but it's money well spent to make sure that there's somebody on our side as the town overseeing this project to make sure it gets built properly so we do it once and we don't have to worry about it again having contingencies for overruns that sort of thing in the other cost that you see on there the the improvements that were added to this one of the reasons why it went up is basically the scope of work a slightly changed as we were having the conversations with the with everybody it became clear that this is more than just about the pool i mean there's an entire park here that's part of this and the feasibility study just dealt with the area inside the fence of the current pool if you did that what would it cost no soft cost just the hard cost what would that cost and that came up with the prior figure which is lower than our figure but as you can see here when you talk to people when you talk about putting the trees back about moving the fence out to create some more space around the pool about having a walkway going up to the wellington school  about improving the parking area to make it safer those things are outside the scope of the original feasibility study but it's one of those things were as we were talking to people what they wanted looked into the safety of it and since you're digging the area up at this point anyway this is the time to take care of some of these issues that have been problems over the years so that's one of the cost drivers of that and of course going from one pool to two pools that obviously adds cost to it as well but again you start to think what's the point of doing this if we're not going to solve the problems that we currently have and create a pool that people want especially when you had a pool even when it wasn't what people wanted was making money for the town this is certainly something that we hoped would even do more so the idea would be great to be able to continue make that money put it aside into some kind of fund so that that fun could be used to maintain the pool going forward and then that wouldn't be on the books of the town and that's certainly feasible because they said that the junkie opal was making money even up until the board went away when the diving board went away and all the press about the health department and how it needed waivers and people got uncomfortable using it and then the membership started to go down and then the price started to go up because in order to get that waiver the town had to do i believe peter there was about thirty thousand dollars worth of work to get that waiver last year just a band aid this thing to get it open last year it really destroys the profit off of the pool it's just more good money after bad at the pool that we currently have so in addition  currently are these wires like i said there's up the white there's a poll here there's a poll here they're all the wires that go across this puts the wires under it's kind of heart of a parking lot with a telephone pole right in the middle of it the family bathrooms and out in the lockers in the interior and exterior showers we currently don't have the exterior shower capability but this one would those are sorts of things that and the tree work and adding the of the drop off in concrete avenue that added to the cost just to be  just to be fair and of course the modern code which requires us to have more bathrooms for the pool than we currently have that also adds to the cost of the of the project although that we had known about so back to the slides this going to cost to you as you know the c p a funding community preservation act money that was voted in that in two thousand and thirteen the two hundred ninety eight thousand was earmarked to do the to do what we're doing the fund which is money that the town already has that's going on that was at the work committee has already heard that the war committee is going to be making its recommendation on march twenty sixth if you're interested in that vote and the committee preservation committee has put that forward and that would go to town meeting ultimately to allocate the two million dollars if and then there is the april first ballot question for the rest of it which is the two point nine million dollars for the debt exclusion obviously if the voters do not approve the two point nine million dollars at the on the ballot question for april first then that two million dollars for the c p a at town meeting would be withdrawn so it's a package deal basically so what that would mean would be the cut after the homeowner the cost of the pool the average home is seven hundred eighty two thousand seven hundred dollars the average homeowner would be paying forty eight dollars forty eight dollars for the first year and slightly less need here for the next fourteen years and that would be it for single family house of assess hundred thousand the cost for the first year is thirty dollars for house with a million at sixty one dollars and the constant declines each year during the life of the bond so basically if you want to do your own math that for each hundred thousand dollars your house as well house is worth it six dollars and eleven cents per year and you can do the math on that but and that's so that's basically i think floyd carmen our town treasurer was gracious enough to give us this information because people are asking that i think that's a fair question for a ballot question what's it going to cost me and this i can say that a pool is not the level of complexity of building a school or a fire station it's a pool with unheated buildings it's a fairly more simplistic not simple but more simple project there are certain challenges with the site as we've described thing and i know we've discussed as the war committee and just to give you some idea of the memberships from two thousand and four to two thousand and thirteen at the high point two thousand and six there are eight hundred thirteen memberships at the pool last year when we were was the lowest that was five hundred  fifty the idea is obviously we're looking for people we expect that more people would join the pool because it's going to be a pool people want to join and that's the whole point of what we're trying to do here so the projected costs as far as running operational to the town of the old pool versus the new pool is a fair question that we've been asked as well and we've gone through that the the cost of the pool water is about the same the power is more with the new pool than with the old pool i won't lie about that because you're running two pumps instead of one and you've got two bath houses instead of one however the the difference is about five thousand dollars a year so it's not major money or anything the chemicals are less for the new pool the system is much more efficient than we have now the staffing level is the same i know people were concerned this is going to require more town employees and have more benefits and more salary we were very clear from the very beginning of this that this was to be designed so that it could be run by the same number of people who run the pool now so we wouldn't have to hire other people to do this and that's been done with the design architects did a very good job at that the maintenance would be at worst the same as is now and most likely it would be less than it is now because you've obviously got a new facility that's easier to maintain you've got automatic local control and notification systems the building maintenance other than it super peak time is certainly going to be easier to just sort of clean these buildings out the grounds keeping is the same cost there's no need for off season check ups on the pump because there's a system to notify if there's an issue there's certainly less water because the pool is smaller so there's less pool to maintain than the larger pool that we have now and the repairs are going to be way less as i said it was about thirty thousand dollars just to get the pool up to snuff to even get the waiver last year so it's just a continuing become basically a continuing money pit at this point so we could also do some things like save money and again this is operational  department will operate the pool but the west bathhouse here for instance it was not peak time that could be closed and you could just up have the east bathhouse open unless it was a very peak time of a lot of swimmers and you could open the west bathhouse that way you would have fewer stat even fewer staff and you wouldn't have to have the lights on or anything like that in that building so there is flexibility with two bath houses and two pools that you currently don't have now we know we don't obviously the project's not going to please everybody all the time  we try to explain the choices we made we've certainly listened to lots and lots and lots of you and we've taken all the comments extremely seriously we'll continue to do that going forward if this does pass with the debt exclusion and with the c p a funds to come up with the final design which would you know try to address as much as we can more and more that we can but we think that this is basically the way to go that meets the needs of the town in a way that's cost effective and beautifies this entire entire area so i have a bulletproof vest on and i'm ready for questions if it yes  i'm sorry i didn't know it was here i didn't see it on the i also inadvertently neglected to introduce our design on time and also our own as project manager devore mariah and peter cast and you know he's here he's the head of d p w we wouldn't be able to run the committee without him he's just been fabulous and also gerry boyle the facilities manager they have been extremely helpful especially with the logistics of everything that we did so we appreciate the help that the town has given us adam will take the floor to do the  honors with the questions would also like to know that the press is here and therefore notified us that they are recording the proceedings and you certainly see the camera on the microphone so just one of the correct about dances and harold so we will also record it was one make should make that in terms of full disclosure not that's ever held anybody back but you were number one so you if you could please use the microphone so that the people watching at home can hear you i first of all i just want to say that's a very impressive plan  hello my name is jean mccarthy i'm a former teacher in belmont public schools our family has lived on cottage street for thirty eight years and use the underwood pool extensively the i would pool is going to an asset to the community for one hundred years i certainly support a new and improved underwood pool however i do not support the proposed design i want to comment on what i consider the flaws in the proposed design of the pool complex and make some suggestions for an approach that may have a better chance of voter approval one do not change the entrance to the pool moving the entrance to already congested lower cottage street makes no sense the long time west side entrance should not be changed as it provides a far safer gathering place for families away from traffic a single and large bathhouse on the west side emergency vehicles use that walkway town events are held there in the summertime it's a busy pedestrian route twelve months of the year the culvert is a vital structure carrying wallington brook underground from the library to clay pit pond and must not be disturbed or damaged if more grass is needed more grass is already available on the south side of the property the fence could be moved up number three reduce the scope of the complex as proposed with three buildings it is too elaborate and too expensive and the design not be scaled back to reduce amenities and thereby reduce the cost why must there be three buildings two bath houses and a large pumps for do not place a large bath house and a large palm pulse on cottage street why do we even need a second bath house let's enlarge on the footprint of the original bath house and its adjacent compost site expanding to the east and south west construction there would not be restricted zone since the old buildings are grandfathered building toward the east and the south would not negatively impact the brook or the culvert this is according to the conservation commission agent five finally retain the open vistas for residents of kaja street and for all towns people travelling on foot or by car on concord avenue in cottage street placing two buildings on cottage would mean a permanent loss of open space our vista would instead be a wall eighty feet long by fifteen feet high we must not lose the beautiful open parkland views to the west which have been there since the building of the original pool one hundred years ago please do not take away that open space and replace it with a wall my husband jerry has got a couple of photos that we've taken on your right is the current view from ca history looking through the open vistas the second picture one on your lap shows a building or buildings fifteen feet high that's exactly what would be visible from cottage str here my suggestions as a bellman citizens our aim should be to preserve the underwood pool for children of belmont into the future to do that we need to offer a pool project design which will be approved by the voters therefore please rework the design of the full complex placing the buildings to the southwest and preserving open space before asking taxpayers to vote for that exclusion on april first only two weeks from now the scale and make it be smaller not larger that's why these buildings are broken up so putting it in three actually makes it better we could if you want to put one big long building along or that was not what we wanted to do because that would impact the neighbors more the idea was to break it up into little bits the filter house is there now so the filter us needs to be serviced periodically it needs to be over unconquered i'm sorry cottage street all that's really changed is that it's being pulled up out of the ground water so it doesn't continually flood like it does no b not tenable situation the up as far as the buildings i mean the fifteen feet tall but that's an average of the height and mean the like i said the slant the lower part is only nine feet tall and slants because of the ability to put on the solar panels these are very small buildings here and there but you said they're very open they're area they're small you've seen the pictures they're certainly certainly smaller than the houses are they are there which are two and a half stories and this is what we're talking about it's pretty pretty minimal the one thing to keep in mind i guess is the choice here of my for this a lot is that the choice somehow people seem to think the choice is between this project and the current pool and that's not the choice because the current goal is not tenable it's a money loser it's being held together with band aids and we'll be lucky if we get the waiver this year we may not get the waiver ever again and the pool is gone so the question then becomes what happens on this site it's up to the selectmen that's not for us to say but i can't imagine that this real estate vacant so what's going to happen on here would it be more or less impactful than something that's open only a few months out of the year with a couple of small buildings it's find that very hard to believe i mean something's going to happen here whether it's this pool or whether it's something else i think it's to try to keep to say the current pool is staying is probably not a fair statement so change is coming i understand change is hard i understand it is but it doesn't make it bad it's just it's just something that has to be adjusted to and then we'll all be you know five years from now i think everybody very happy if we can build something and people have a vibrant meeting spot to help battle child obesity by having some place for kids to work out in the summer place for kids to be that supervised in the summer instead of hanging out and getting into trouble because this will attract older kids as opposed to sort the little kids that's a trend that are attracted now and learning to swim which is a valuable life skill in the eye when i went to college you had to pass a swim test to graduate and if they do that anymore but i mean this is something everyone should know how to swim it could save your life some day and this is what a lot of swim lessons are held here in the morning this is where kids are belmont they've learned to swim for generations would like to preserve having a pool and i guess we've said earlier if you're going to do the pool there's no point in doing the pool if you're just going to have the same old mess that you have now or something that's not going to address the needs of the people this is this does and we're like we said i don't expect to please everybody i think that would be u pool the size of this family pool which certainly is not going to work and i've talked about the reasons why we're not putting a bathhouse here or not putting a bathhouse here you can disagree with them but those are the reasons we've been through this thoroughly in the voters will decide on april first that's the long that but this is the solution that we working with the professionals with our project manager who's on our side in this process and with the architect who designed pools all over the country this is the what we came up with as the most workable solution we feel that the impact of construct here is minimal  best i would also like to know that that the placard that was there with the big black wall on it is not really an accurate depiction of what we're doing here me as i said these are two buildings that's showing one big black monolith actually there's a space in between the two of them and the it's not a squared off box as we stated that goes from nine feet macos up there also various you saw very open with the doors the swing open in the louvers and such it's not a they're not going to be looking no one to be looking at a big black opaque box also to keep in mind these lower than the street so when you see fifteen feet and i was talking with the architect or before this started you're not talking about fifteen feet from the swear cottage street is it's actually lower than that because where you put them is lower than cottage street so it's not going to be fifteen feet off the ground time to get into the more technical aspects of that if you like but that's what i've been by ron there's a two and a half feet lower it's actually two and a half you lower than fifty feet because of the great change from construct where the bathhouses hi my name's jennifer smith i'm from precinct date i supported the principal of the renovated pool but i'm a voter who has a concern that the cost is just too high and i desire to see some significant containment costs so my question is as a voter what alternative do i have if i support the principle of a renovated pool but i don't support it at this cost do i vote yes do i vote no in other words if i vote no then does does more planning go forward if i vote yes is there potential to have an impact on cutting the costs what does some of voter like myself do well that's a good question i wish we could answer it for you  this we're not here to advocate for or against the ballot question that's not our function we're not taking a position on the ballot question as a committee we were told to come up with a design that matches option one that the selectmen shows we have done that that's our role we're doing a public information session tonight to educate the voters prior to the election as to what the plan is and to take questions and have them all answered how you vote is up to your personal conscience and if the vote goes one way it goes negatively on this i don't know what happens honestly and in the c p a money gets withdrawn we have been told that would happen yes or your next you robert kennedy architect tommy member precinct three thank you for your presentation thank you for all our hard work this is indeed a interesting design i am disappointed with what i think will be the three dimensional appearance of what we're doing here and i'm trying to put my finger on it and i'd like to make a couple observations that might help explain m ration now i'm having the most trouble with the east boathouse of the east bathhouse and filter building and part of it is the of it part of it is because of what i think is going to happen to the appearance of all of this as we go down concord avenue many of you have heard me comment on how i feel that concord avenue is a gateway to belmont it's a very busy street compared to cottage street and most of the people who see this complex are going to see it from con avenue if whoever is controlling the projector could flip back to the opening slide that was a photograph from concord ave looking  openness that we now have has the appearance of a large park it's a park with a backdrop of major trees and the over the oval pine oval pool as it always was appears to be a pond a new england pond and i see where the design came from in the beginning a hundred years ago is impractical as it may be and is impractical as you say it is and i agree with you there but basically what we have here is a view from concord avenue that is a park with trees in the background and the pond in the foreground the bathhouse to the right is off to the side of this view and i agree with you that anything that would be put in the foreground as a structure between concord avenue and the water is obstructed and anything put on the south face beyond the pool is to is taking away from the attachment of the grassy hill and the trees in the appearance of the park what i'm not buying is the is the two structures on the left if maybe maybe now let's go back to the opening picture this this just to again to reinforce what you can imagine it would look like from the other direction as a big open open space with a with a pond and a bathhouse on the pond a very new england concept now there is what i'm not buying is the  the shanty appearance and the the rationale for chanting and p c news and breaking down of scale and all of that as architect i'm sorry i'm not with you on  that we are building a public structure that we would like to not appear to be temporary and not appear to be high maintenance not appear to be only built for ten or fifteen years but something we don't have to worry about for a long time and i also think that there is i see some advantages to the second pool being on the other side for a reason you didn't even mention and that is that it sort of helps segregate the age limits between those use a pool some of the older people use the the west facility and some of the younger people have the hand i see i see some rationale to that i see some huge structural and construction in a fish and seas to breaking this up into three buildings rather than one larger group of one larger structure that holds it all but i really do see a huge negative to the the p c ness and the and the separation and  one open park like appearance to many buildings too many fences too many objects all take away from the park like appears appearance so thank you that's just my observation thank you for the thank you tom did you want to address replace the new pool the new bath house is on this white that you would still exist granted people across the street have the buildings of front of them but i'm standing where you are here up on cottage street looking down we have our bath house where the building is in the other buildings or in the shadows over there someplace so that vista is still there you still have the vista looking up the hill you just have a modern pool you don't have the oval it's there and there's fence all around the site now we're still keeping the fence all around that as well i agree with gene mccarthy in most of her comments as i do with kennedy and most of his comments in the sense that i think we're moving too quickly here there are still too many unknowns that  from here to here is what the architect is saying is twenty five because keep in mind the sidewalk is in the site it's not in the  maybe that's it i'm sorry goodness that's eight hundred three and then you've got wires that distance would have a twenty nine five from here to here to maybe a little further out how far you can tom because this part juts out over a little bit and just right so if you take just take that building if that's say twenty five feet from one into the other it and then put that put that superimpose that on with the road i going to tell me that that building it's the same distance from the edge of the road back the building is wider than talking with show the buildings widen this is twenty five feet here the filter house maybe a little lot is wider it's actually a lot wider than twenty twenty nine twenty nine feet to the filter h a variance that's that's fine but the other thing was that you would mention that we have a water problem there right in the if i'm not mistaken the existing diving board the depth of the pool at that point was nine feet if this one going to be twelve feet deep that means that the tire surface of the pool is going to be at least three feet high is that correct tom then how do you not how do you pull it back up out of the water it's not completely out of the water  majority of the pool is out where we have the diving tank it will be down into the water table you properly design it he won't have the right the structure that's there now was not designed to withstand the higher pressure hydrostatic pressure is that exist out of the site  it's just the diving area just the digester which is actually fairly sane tire sites coming up about two feet from the existing pool level right now so we're pulling the majority of the pool up out of the water table entire family  we really do not need to move forward with this design is the only option that's the point i'm certainly understand the viewpoint i mean the idea is to try to be proactive before we definitively lose the existing pool i'm not saying that the choice is between this design and nothing but i think the choice of tween this design and the current pool i don't think that's the actual choice because it seems to us pretty clear what we're told the old bulls going away if we don't do anything maybe not this year but soon we're just trying to get a jump on it and so it's not like in typical belmont fashion you wait till everything breaks down beyond repair before we start to do anything i know and that was our charge from the board of selectmen we were charged to put this together and get it done i mean to be honest the timeframe was a really rough trying to feel like we have plenty of time to do this we're not designing a school it's a fairly simplistic plan here the buildings are small it's just a pool it's at what i think we've answered all the questions i mean maybe people don't like the answers but we think we've answered the questions it's up to the voters to decide whether they think that's the right choice to make or not take one from the front then we'll go to the back hi i'm gretchen maclean i actually think this is a fantastic design i went to the fall meetings i saw the initial presentations all the ideas that were accumulated and i saw the people responding to the ideas and and identifying things that they liked i also participated i was one of the five hundred members who filled out the survey and responded and i think the functionality of the pool and the design is fabulous i love the fact that it actually preserves the view and when i think about the scale of these back the bathhouse in the filter house i'm sitting in this room and looking at the height of that ceiling there  the first right above atom and i'm going well the roof would be slightly higher than that and most of us in belmont look across the street at houses that are twenty five feet tall or more and set twenty five feet back from them from the rubble and i'm sympathetic to the fact that the views change and that this hard to have change but i'm also in a better to the wellington school and my view changed and i can tell you that there wasn't one person in the neighborhood who didn't think they couldn't design the wellington school better than the building committee that they could there wasn't an engineer in town who didn't think they knew better how to put the systems in this is kind of an issue we have a town meeting no matter what the project is there isn't a landscap who couldn't have done it better our law i didn't get everything i wanted but i couldn't be happier you know i think it's hard to adjust to the idea of something changing but once the change takes place what is in place now and the building just wanted award for design for being a building or what's in place now is so much better than what was there it's better than anything i as an individual could have come up with for the town the collective view of the building committee working with the community created a fabulous facility for us and i think that you know if you listen to every individual voice and you try to work just for one person's vision of what they want it's losing the idea behind the community building committee which is you're designing a building and a structure and in this case you're designing a pool that will work for the whole town and i think you've done so i applaud what you've done and i hope that the voters see why we cannot just have one and large bath house on the west and west side we do not want to impact the water over here the wetlands on that side of the property we believe that to the idea of getting that through the conservation commission would dicey at best and we've been we've been told that it would be best strongly encouraged to keep it no bigger than what's currently there or where it is and so we are trying to respect the wetlands like i said there are a lot of constituencies here obviously the people there's the open space people there the neighbors there's the the conservation people the store people the planning people i mean it's hard to make everybody happy we're not going to succeed however the idea is to try to not try to do no harm here as little as we as much as possible and we do not want to impact the wellington broke in the watershed over here we're going to keep the building we decided after a lot of discussion and this was not something we entered into lightly believe me this is a this is to pull to bathhouse thing was a very large part of what we've been working on and it ultimately came out that we really felt that we could not impinge upon the wetlands over here any more than currently done and in order to have the pools you need to have the thing precised bathhouses been had to go somewhere and as i explained earlier not here not here and we thought that was the place for it and that basically that i'm sorry i did not see how can  pool one hundred feet from the property line that's within the wetland set back any time we increase the impervious area the size of the structure that's something we're going to have to make other accommodations for in the design by keeping it as close to the existing footprint and size that we have now it's less of an impact on the weapons from what they view i we don't make the requirements i know it is a whole process will go through with calculations but they may require other amenities or other things done if we were to try to put a have been open posted public meetings and people have come and you're certainly welcome to come to our future meetings we love the  requirements and we've made our decisions based upon what we've been told and we don't want to cause an environmental problem with this so this is what the plan is i did not see it i don't know how much more i can explain it i did promise you in the back good evening and cassandra tell me the member precinct six just i have two questions some clarification of nation that i'd like to make a comment somebody said something about the fact that in two thousand and six we had eight hundred full memberships and two hundred thousand and twelve was five fifty because the pool finding good for taking away whatever of the membership a person or a family ok so there could be eight hundred memberships could be thirty two hundred potential swimmers non swimmers depending upon the depth of the pool i guess we define them how did six hundred forty eight people swimmers become the design criteria i guess i've been to that pool lot i've never seen six hundred fifty people there well i don't know that pull a smaller so as far as you're concerned about the having too big a pool in front of people that go to the pool of smaller so that issue is taken care of in this so you work backwards you said we're going to have this here's a pool of a particular size we divided by fifteen or twenty to buy and whether this woman is a non swimmers we get a capacity there or not the way that we're our code requirements for the size of the pool to dictate the number bathrooms you have to have so there's a push and pull if you make the pull bigger than you need more bathrooms and showers which make the path houses larger and it becomes a bit of a design question paul well my understanding of c m are whatever it is the state plumbing code is that those square footage purse wimmera not swim or a based on the number that the maximum time with houston has nothing to do with the size of the pool you could build a pool four times as big as this and limit the number of swimmers who are allowed to go there every time you don't have the answer and now we have what we can answer i mean no i'm i do this all the time the swimming pool and the plumbing code dictate the number of toilet facilities required based on the op the bather load of the pool any area of the pool that's five feet or less is fifteen square feet per person anything over five feet is twenty square feet per person if you do the math they don't they when they ask you to design the toilet facilities it's based on that load it's not what you can prove it's actually going to be there and if and if we as we described the shallow end is almost a beach going in if you call this a because there are different ways to approach a public pool public swimming area and what the maximum people at the time you will abuse not based on the size of the service or the water just check it out i've been wrong seven times today this could be the eighth i'm not i don't have any i say it's a complicated calculation we have checked out this question came up with a warrant committee we have we have checked it out actually we do have the answer on the tom eloquently explained or maybe was to technically explain it but the basic idea is that the size of the water surface dictates the bathrooms the bathrooms dictate the size of the bath houses the size of the bath houses means we're breaking it up for the reasons we decide describe and that's how we get to the size of the pool we have a larger we've got pools of larger design and then i don't  i don't want to debate it now because you just made another misstatement because the number of fixtures doesn't decide the size of the bath house circulation space and all the other things that go into bathrooms decide the size of the bathroom said let's not debate it i just asked the question i'm asking you please recheck it ok you've put it this way i think you could do you could have the numbers work differently yet the other quick comment was about the building in the conservation commission said sarah this is not a private developer this is  town doing a project for the town getting a variance for our own purposes is that you know this is not the uplands project this is belmont building for belmont and you can get variances from conservation requirements et particularly when it's for your own purpose so we're not violating some height restriction or something like that that's what boards of for and there be reasonable and to present the fact that this is the only option i think is unfair i think to present the fact that if we don't vote on april first for this we are against having a swimming pool is unfair it might mean that this doesn't get built it might mean that this committee it's replaced with a different committee but it doesn't mean we don't have a pool  belmont of the future so i don't like to see that tactic or scare tactic used one of the flyers i started said you know will we go cool off if we don't vote for this on april first that is totally unfair ok and i know you taking a position on the other hand i would hope to hell that members of the pool committee would be advocating for the pool i can say i'm not on the i'm not involved in any am going to person i'm not involved in any advocacy and i'm deliberately staying away from that because of my role in this committee nor would i donate to such a thing i don't think that would be probably right where we were tasked by the selectmen to come up with a design that matched option one here you go you can vote for it or not i this is we've explained it over and over again we have checked and double checked and triple checked everything we're not wrong whether you like it or not to separate question but we're not wrong the question of whether you like it or not and whether there's a pool next year or not i don't know that's a scare tactic that's a fact but took thirty thousand dollars just to  band aids to open it last year and they've told us that and we would necessarily get this you're also notice forced town boards go that's that partly the town's board of health that was involved in possibly shutting this thing down last summer and maybe doing it again this summer so i don't know that you can us school st i just wanted to share a little observation i've made this week i'm in charge of distributing the lawn signs for supporting the pool and  what i realized was there's a there is far reaching support for this i've driven to every corner of this town i've delivered signs have sammy baghdadi support signs  r supporting the community path people opposed to it they all support it and what i see took away from that was it's a true community project and i think it really has reached all areas of this town that there is a tremendous amount of support might not know that tonight but from what people are saying they also really appreciated the process that this committee  allowed them to be part of that they there was what was important to a lot of people was to make it a true community pool and the design piece you know i think that will always be up for debate but one other area that was appreciated was the fact that we're getting something done in this town in a timely manner and that we like to get bogged down in the my new show of everything and that somehow also what happens is when you attend some of these meetings is people somehow feel that if they were either born in this town or raised in this town somehow they have a louder voice the fact is is that everyone has a vote april first go vote if you don't like it vote now if you like it vote yes but you all have the same opportunity and i just wanted to share that  talking about that it's a pond i think that there's a natural spring in and that's where that water came from that's what we were told for forty years living across the street i agree with the lady who talked about that we should have options i mean this is like buying a car if you go to our buy a new car the guy is going to try to sell you a new car with all the bells and whistles and then you say was too expensive then he comes down and he says well well we don't have all of that and you say well it's still too expensive so then he goes to play and see and he says well this is a bare bones car and so you have an option and i agree with the woman who instead of saying i don't like this design but i like the pool which i we had we were we were raised two boys so very very strong advocate of the pool but of course not this is  but see the other thing is that i think the residents of town the taxpayers are very concerned that this pool is used for sixty days july and august belmont you know that we will lose ten days to inclement weather cool weather stormy weather electric storms coming through so we're looking at a pool that might be used for fifty days so i would say that since we have a project that's going to have minimal use we would be looking at something for a minimal cost and then you will get maximum  advocating is that east bathhouse could be moved over and moved into the west bassos now if you look at the numbers they are the number one is the old bath house and it interesting to note that the new bath house on the west is only fifty five feet they have taken thirteen feet off that so the long and short is that the old bath house you can gather to two thousand five hundred fifty square feet ok that's in the total number included in that is there is the old pomp house up on the west side of the old bath house and that's a twenty by ten so you get two hundred square feet of that and if you look at my design the old bath house you see that the existing wall is twenty feet wide overall sixty eight feet is to punch out one is ten feet long by six feet and the other which is the front steps is a twenty foot punch out also by six feet so if you just extend that line and would i would like to look at these numbers with the design of the new bath house on the west is a rectangle fifty five feet by twenty three feet and that gives you twelve hundred  sixty five feet the new east bath house which is very very complicated but are broken up into triangles one two three four by four triangles and i get as w said that it was tried to be kept minimally to twelve hundred square feet so combine those two numbers you see there that gives you twenty four hundred and sixty eight square feet now twenty four hundred sixty square feet is less than twenty five hundred and fifty four feet so which proves me it proves that the square footage of the new bath house on the east and the new bath house on the west can be put into the  all existing footprint of the new new bath house now if we  therefore you keep the hundred year all entrance of the pool it costs you nothing no need to include the clover in the plant it costs you nothing no need to modify parking area at the parking area a bell and whistle i call including the causeway clone hit a bell and whistle they're going to put a topsoil they're going to cover that wet soil and put grass on that and then they're going to keep that for three hundred sixty five big the public will not be able to use that will save money by not having to have the east me know if this view is worth a million dollars i mean this is why i people have come to belmont when we came to belmont that was you that we saw we said ok we'll put up with the nurse and distress some people parking our driveway etc cetera but then we get ten minutes ten months of beauty so i think that has to be preserved and man is concerned about beauty in town she wants to keep the trees up on top have two minutes she told me let me finish i do want to if i'm just saying now i think we're going to accomplish whatever important objects one is you want to save taxpayers money to you're going to see a beautiful views of belmont three going to the cottage street residents are going to be very happy and right now they're very unhappy and number four that there's a there's a better chance for for the pool getting voted for approval with a change thank you thanks well if i could respond to that because i don't know enough though what the question particular was but it say that it's not the size of the bath house it's how you use it and we've been through this i can tell you a lot we spend a lot of time we all volunteer time we spent i know more about pools than i ever want to know the you can't simply for these bathhouse into the west it's not just about how big it is it's about whether the rooms that you get out of that space or of sufficient size and usable and it just doesn't work that way secondly this is been the typical process i don't recall being given choices on what kind of wellington school designed a vote on or what kind of fire station to vote on there was a committee that came up with the design you voted yes or no this is just how it how it goes we're not trying to ram anything down anyone's throat we were tasked with coming up with a design we did and then the people will vote that's how it is it's not a typical one a b c or do ya passion next we're not really trying to sell anything like i said this is an information session i hope i'm not giving the impression i'm trying to sell it i'm just trying to explain the choices and why we got to this however unlike a car salesman we're actually paying for this too we live here as well i don't think a car salesman pays you pays for your car or that he sells you we do want to modify the park and we absolutely want to modify the parking as we found out from people this is a dangerous situation and i think you probably see people coming in concord after going up the wrong way to pull ahead into their this is not a we've talked with peter in the d p w this they don't believe this is a plow i it's an issue of safety and for the pedestrians and to encourage frankly to encourage people to come off of concord avenue in school street that's the goal here it's why we're putting the path there on the stop in the sitting area in the drop off areas that make it to the people come from concord and school and not on cottage that was the idea we're trying to help the people in college with this design because we are sensitive to that and i would also state and also the grass this insufficient lawn space here i think a lot of us did in the summer it's hard to find lawn space to put a blanket out the idea was to create some more lawn space to use for the pool to make it make it nice and to you know honestly to cover up the top of the culvert because this is a concrete thing going through there be much nicer to have it is grass it's not a it's not a it was a big request we as a huge eleanor want to be that was a huge request from people throughout the public process and i would also note that not everybody in cobb street is opposed to it i understand that you are but we've heard from people who are not arneson i live on flat road and i just want to thank you all for the time and effort that you've put into this i think it's a great design i think it serves family i have a family here and i would like to have my children continue to use the space i appreciate the family spaces that you've made the attention that you've paid to for example the restrooms opening outside the family changing areas the safety factor of separating the family pool from a deeper area where where bigger children and people are a little bit more rough and tumble which is perfectly appropriate and it seems to me that this form here is to hear what's going on and move forward rather than the time that we've had in the past to put input into the design so a difference of opinions but thank you unlike you i am here to sell or my name is phil cunningham i live on dean street i also commend the committee i think you've done a wonderful job  in the design here i can speak personally to ellen shriver as an allocator resources i helped with the job as park project and i can tell you that is reflected in that design is what is appropriate in that is that it's community from the feedback so given the constraints under which the committee worked meaning you know there's code requirements there's  just the sight limitations of the hill culture the community feedback so as i'm sure a bunch of folks here had ideas about what will they would like the design you see up there is in response to the feedback they recede from people who attended meetings filled out surveys made comments so i don't know how many folks here who are now making comments  and suggestions were part of the process at the time when those decisions were being made but there is absolutely an effort to solicit feedback and this design is based on that it is not it is not based on their personal preferences or what they think is appropriate and to the point i made at the beginning cost was certainly a consideration with respect to the bells and whistles that folks mention you know i think acknowledge at some level there's some you know i suspect the design thousand is well wish that they were all pitching here four point five million dollars project but to the extent that it's got to five point two i think it reflects additions that they think are appropriate and invaluable to the community the mandate here is not to build the cheapest pool and i suspect that that's to the disappointment of some but that's not it and i'm not interested in having the cheapest pool and you know materiality i think has to enter into the picture here a bit if you're if you're for the pull that you know the pool is going to cost forty eight bucks the first year with a new design the cost at the old number was like forty two bucks so if you're for the pool at forty two bucks it's hard to believe that you're not for the pool at forty eight bucks i will close there i'm grateful for your efforts for your time  i think the town should approve people yes  we've all we've all been there i just so this first one might be in the eve question but i'm i'm wondering if you don't if we don't build the pool do we have to give land back to the underwood that is beyond my pay grade here i don't know the answer to that question does would come up with the money for that because part of the money that we're seeking in this whole five point two million is to demolish the old pool so there is certainly a cost to doing that but just in the event that the overrides not approved i don't know if you've heard you know what the plans would be  thank you if the a pool is not approved of course i suspect that the town would once again try to get a waiver but we understand saying it's fact but what we understand is that we have a one year variance we would have ski again we were working under the assumption that if we were planning for a new pool we would most likely are more likely be in a position to say to the state that you know we are working on a new  and so therefore hopefully you would give us a variance and we will try to keep the pool up as much as we can and i know that the d p w does a lot of testing now and there's a lot of work that goes on in order to keep the water quality up and i wanted to make sure that everyone is safe in the pool so we have felt that if we were working on a new pool the likelihood of getting another variance was greater if we are not working on a new pool maybe they'll give us one for another year but we all know the time is running out with the pool if the if the question doesn't pass which i guess is what you've asked if the question doesn't pass and the pool is not used we cannot leave it there as an attractive nuisance so i suspect that the town would have to do something to make sure that it did not become an attractive nuisance and that might well be dismantling the pool if we dismantle the pool as a standalone that will be a cost in the town budget just i mean we're all taxpayers i know that and no matter what we spend it's spent we're spending tax dollars but sometimes it's easier to spend it from one source than it is for another thank you i had another question what does the useful life of the new pool i think the useful life put up may thirty years ago are still operating you know without major renovations as laws are made and sort of going on so we're designing for at least fifty years if not beyond that and then do you depreciated over thirty years or you know do you know it's  know financially there's an expected life do you have any idea how that's handled well if you're say it's fifty years then that's well if the full passes leave town we'll take out a fifteen year bond knowing you know the cost of that bond to the average taxpayer i think adam indicated was about forty eight dollars the first year and then declining slightly ok so i were i don't know if that's what you meant well i was curious about the useful life of the pool and in usually it would be thirty years you know from an accounting standpoint but from a from a practical standpoint if we build this one them will have to deal with  funds in the c p a are designed for projects just like this and by putting the bond out what you do is you get your cash in but you delay the payment for food and that that's really a good way to finance this because you get the facility but then you can pay for it over fifteen years and i wanted to make the point this is my estimate now that belmont in the next fifteen years will spend one point five billion dollars on its operation in this is a six million dollars chunk of that one point five billion so in context i think the expense is very reasonable and i think the  financing is appropriate this sign and to get all the information from all of you thank you for your time i know we do our neighbors as i asked like you said about belmont residents so we are looking for the best for our town and i really appreciate the fact that you took the advice from i feel like this is a great way to have an easy flow for the whole the facilities entering from the parking lot and going on a sea floor so well it's nine thirty and i think we might be done because we said we would be done in nine thirty so i think everybody we've already spoke i think everybody wanted to talk talk so thank you all for coming out i urge you all was there are you going to vote one way or the other to please vote tell your neighbors to vote april first