welcome to the essex look board meeting please stand and pledge allegiance to the flag heard we welcome you or comments about anything relating to the town and its business except those items that are on the agenda for tonight anybody has anything that they would like us to know about so we have huge the application and i would like to open it up to the board for any questions comments that they might have on the  things like marks on the application i was just wondering why it is jobs and purposes that was my request in the past we've had some applications where it goes to there were any other officers was on your husband david david i believe that you did not fill out the same section that you did as far as service then the only thing that would be different i think would be the date of birth perhaps ok that's why we asked the question i was in his name appears later on in the application ok when i originally brought the paperwork and i thought i could do it all and then the time clerk told me thank you all those in favor of the other patients please to signify by saying i opposed motion passes for zero would you take a minute or two and tell us a little business this is our tenth year june eighth was their ten year anniversary this year and it has my husband doesn't like to travel that much so it's been it really wonderful for me because i get people from all over the world that come and stay so i travel virtually through them and we've made really good friends throughout the years and i it's just nice they become part of the family enjoy what i do we're happy to have you here there is a quick admonition that i have to give you the town takes the awarding of liquor licenses mom beer if they're you know if they've traveled like a long day so they don't have to leave because that i've seen that happen over the years so i probably between that the two and logan is our channel coordinator he's with us this evening he's the man that schedules the coverage and make sure the field producers have everything that they need and periodically we come in we provide an annual report to the various municipal members elena is our representative from the village as well as the town thank you very much she's also our fearless president was there anything you wanted to open by saying or was there had there are some follow up questions to the presentation then i'm happy to go right into that but they also raised a couple of points that might just be useful by way of background so gentle seventeen is funded by cable subscribers and in one nine hundred ninety there are thirty thousand cable subscribers in this service territory which included the member municipalities as their name burlington south burlington center and when the  and we took those thirty thousand subscribers and we broke them down based on the municipalities and we use that as the foundation for the trust agreement so there's there's a trustees agreement that manages the channel as a kind of  regional entity like this always district and we also use that breakdown to allocate resources in terms of coverage because the trustee said the most important thing we want to do is cover public local and then we want to do election coverage and then we want to do some regional coverage and then we want to do legislative coverage but it was the priorities always been the municipal meetings so the allocation of those resources and the votes came from that first thirty thousand subscribers cox cable and we've used that formula ever since and it has been periodic lee updated and we're waiting now for some new numbers but essentially it means that burlington which obviously has the most subscribers and makes sense that they do they get six meetings a month south burlington gets five and the other member municipalities which of comparable numbers get three no one gets less than three and those are covered by cable subscriber dollars so the municipalities in till two thousand and six didn't contribute anything towards the operation of the channel as all cable subscribers in two thousand and six we built the website as a place to record and  meanings and that was the first time we came to the municipalities and asked for some additional support because it was a non cable use and we felt that that was appropriate and over that time we expanded those services to include clickable agendas and but we didn't come for annual increases and so the next time we came it was a pretty big adjustment and that was when we made the pitch to start live meeting coverage so so if you can imagine that in hundred ninety when we started the channel we were just doing analog video production we were coming shooting the meetings putting them on t v and for roughly the same amount of money we've now added a whole digital overlay in the last ten twelve years so the service is a channel seventeen we have been able to to provide more we've been able to provide more services because we've become more efficient right so we've so we we know there's not a lot more money we know there's a threshold in terms of cable dollars but as i think elaine will be the first to say the technical needs of running such a channel are fairly significant as you can imagine we produce thirteen hundred hours a year of new programming which is a phenomenal amount of production if you look at any other television outfit in the whole country and and so everything has been pretty fine except that our technical needs are increasing and the cable dollars are starting to decrease and we had a pretty stable arrangement until january when comcast accountants made them reclassify income because of the new gap the new gap requirements and that impact was a five percent loss of income for channel seventeen and for our e t n a v camera sr operations which is about a fifty thousand dollar decline so we've been managing this sort of steady decline through efficiencies and starting to diverse fire annual giving but this is a big jump and the trustees determined that if we asked the municipalities to help support this and each minister municipality doubled its current contribution we'd be able to make up that fifty thousand we don't see them making that adjustment again they've assured us that was kind of a one time bump it's not say their income isn't slowly going down but this big gap so that's why we're here is to ask you to consider that now one of the questions that came up is are you going to keep coming back to us and elaine has advocated for a long time that we come back annually for a modest increase so we don't see these big increases so that may be the case the trustees determine to do that i will say that i would mentally prepare yourselves over the next ten years to be banking bigger and bigger contributions if you see fit to operate channel seventeen because the cable dollars are going to decline and the the the cost of providing this service is about thirty six thousand dollars a year that's just meeting coverage that's not running the channel and all the other programs so i think to be completely forthright it is important to think about how the municipality can ultimately contribute to this channel and if it wants to and if it finds the service valuable  the cable revenue starts to decline so that's a longer term trend i want you to be aware that that is also the case i'm not trying to muddy the message but i think it's important that we're aware that that's where this is going kind of model so we know that fundraising is going to be a significant portion of revenues in the future but it will take several years for it to get to a sustainable level so we've been thinking about this question a diversified revenue since one nine hundred ninety when the phone companies first got into the business of television so it's it's a long time and we've created a number of different kinds of projects to diversify revenue over that time  so we've been fairly entrepreneurial and i'm confident that we can diversify our income further so it is not going to be solely on the burden of the municipalities but i think that the bigger picture is important is i think that was where some of the questions were going right for its open old the local franchising authority which in the case of vermont is the public utility commission to require up to five percent for operating funds plus additional funds for capital as well as channel set aside channels for public use public educational government use so the the language is in the act franchising forty's may or may not activate their option to do this and that in the state of vermont it's the state of vermont not local municipalities that function as a franchise forty so since one thousand nine hundred four we have been the twenty five access centers around the state because there are twenty five centers operate about seventy five channels you know where we're a movement it's significant in vermont  we've been receiving up to five percent for operating funds and another half percent each for capital funds we split that money channel seventeen does with  the education government but this is pretty much standard operating procedure in the state of vermont but the public utility commission doesn't can't change the rules they can only interpret the act right and so  what i mentioned in the follow up notes is i think it's time for us to go to the legislature and talk to them i don't think they're going to change the rolls they may decide to allocate some legislative funds towards these purposes i think we have to ask but i think as i mentioned also i think it's a multi year campaign there is a lot of erosion of cable rights the f c c is got two notices a proposed r making that are very threatening one the filings were due this week and that has to do with any payment that a cable company might make to a state such as discounted cable service for senior citizens the f arguing that that should be subtracted from the franchise fees so that would mean less money for a peg i'm not sure that's a immediate threat in vermont but it is nationally there's a second notice of proposed rule making that i'm going to bring back to you municipal control public rights of way which again the f c c is trying to erode and behalf of competition in the telecom marketplace so i think it's something you're going to want to be aware of and possibly send a  letter that will become in the next month so we are very awake to all of these threats and we've been trying you know we talked about this every time we leave a meeting dan says well why can't we get a percentage of internet revenue while you can we've just they foreclosed on it in the f c c and in congress and there's just no way to move on that one and we tried on time so so you know cable as a future revenue source for pay access is going to be just be smaller piece of  and where those answers helpful to you do you really the person that those questions yeah ok ok you mentioned the possibility of coming back if we are more frequently asking for smaller increases or read through your trusty agreement says that july you know january first within thirty days or january first you have to provide the with you know the budget perception which i assume would include the funding request in my my concern is that if you provide if you provide that january thirtieth we've already set our budget for the coming fiscal year and so i'm wondering if there's any possibility of changing your timing so that we get that information sooner so it can be appropriately reflected in a budget process so our timing actually our budget is october one in reality we haven't updated that trust i meant it's a good good catch so it's october one so we this is the current budget we're asking you is that address  you had other good questions did you want to anybody and you and you answered many of them but i did have another want to notice that in the documentation that we got  and only a few hundred people were in the cox system so they bought it to keep adelphia bought the culture esther system but we only serve five hundred channel as well and that is where all of our live video recordings of the meetings go for all us fellers that we do they get automatically have a look at you tube so they are readily available for viewers that want to see them after the fact even if they haven't tuned in live so just a considerably more accessible location for people because everyone knows where you tube is and everyone if they want to find a video is going to search it there and that's where the all the land so for us to have a duplicate there is it just makes sense but the archiving is a big part of what we do as well s that all of which are being archived right now in digitized formats so that's a big chunk of what we're doing right now as well we all to do studio shows we try to do a live show every day as long as we have people that show up five twenty five we go live in these are community producers that come in with ideas that they want to share with the world it's part of our open door policy to promote free speech and we also send a camera whenever we can to any community events that are great out here for  the we were at the march in city hall for the firing of jeff sessions we were like we try to get cameras out there to document everything that's happening all over the county so that we get a little slice of history i guess as we town meeting day for every election cycle ellie's district yeah i mean there's a lot of regional programming and then we do the studio programs there and then we do base baseline video training for young people yeah we have a summer camp in every year it was summer camp that comes in every year for a week and we train i think we had fifteen twenty kids this time people from the colleges come in we've had journals class come in last week we've had journalists from africa came in and journalists from all the other countries really rock and been there yeah all over were pretty busy and yeah i mean a lot of the service respect yeah for sure yeah a comment i mentioned this at the village board meeting last week when mike was the camera man and tonight it's god it's almost always if not always scott here and scott is a valuable asset to this production as mike is to the village production we have come to know scott very well and rely on him and when we've gone on location scott has to learn a new avi system and  audio and i assumed our big get a lease more than once with somebody else's equipment so we really appreciate the people that you send to us and how well trained they are that's a he's a total pro yeah we're lucky he's worked with channel seventeen for a long time thank you was higher than it should have been and lo and behold randy went out there and it was he had calculated the whole property as like manufacturing when he took a closer look at it was able to do a walk through of the building he noticed realize that it was fifty five percent manufacturing forty five percent warehouse so this number just that the new ground this value would be six point six eight five million dollars so coming down a bit no tax impact the town in that case in this case it's because of these tax stabilization remit that was entered a couple of years ago year and half ago and for the school district because of the statewide funding model in calculation the state why grand list has not yet been calculated so this will get in ahead of time so it'll be no impact to what the state house that's books and questions from the board it's just a quick question short so after this tax stabilization agreement and it's a ten year every ten year agreement the first five years there were no peanuts will taxes after that or perhaps up to twenty percent of musical taxes forty  hearing none all those in favor signify by showing i i opposed motion passes for zero five d presentation of management goals for fiscal year end twenty twenty for the twenty twenty budget have been well as you just said a presentation c c t v you know from jail seventeen it's budget season staff is feverish sleep preparing their budgets and so it has been my practice to give them goals and some things  either think about or not to think about as the case may be so we told them to target a operating budget of no greater than four percent that staffing our priorities were going to be police officers  some type of building superintendent position and no other full time positions and so we did not say they could not present to us part time but  no for them not to consider not asking for full time in this year because we wanted to focus on police officers in particular and the chief has done a great job of filling  the vacancies that he's had but we have heard him and other conversations he is several officers behind in a long range plan for covering thirty six square miles of the department as you may recall some of them they do it differently one of the departments pays for training and the other does not and so to get them more aligned they will both pay for one hour training but mainly based their pay on the calls that they go on and they will have a hour minimum for that so they will start to align in that way as well as their policies and practices of the departments and then  as you see in the last item that we have all the fun balance and we talked about this a little bit we've put the budget together i don't know about fourteen fifteen months before the actual sixteen months before it goes into event so we take a lot of historical data and what we know from a request and we put them together in a budget and out of about fourteen million dollars if we're ninety seven percent accurate sometimes you know so if you spend ninety seven percent of what you thought you were going to spend you're still going to end up with about four hundred thousand dollars of surplus that doesn't happen every year some years you don't you actually are closer to ninety nine percent and some years you may go slightly over depending upon what happens but this last year we were at about ninety seven percent accuracy and expenditures and revenues and so you'll get a surplus and so you will see us come to you in the next couple of meetings with what we think should be done with a recommendation of surplus funds and spoiler alert a lot of it's in capital we don't necessarily very rarely will you see us come to you for any operating expenses with surplus you won't see that but it's mainly capital and any for any long term expenses that you have identified over the years that need funding including our general fund reserve which we hope to keep at fifteen percent which is the cap per the chart taken questions yes we laid out in at some point in the future when it works in the gender what you present information about our retirement plan and what our obligations are what the plans are for filling those obligations just informational clarification demeaned femurs plan which is the  for the people who don't we don't have any post employment benefits nope it's no post employment benefits but we do have people who have earned sick time and vacation time and that's what i believe you're asking for we could certainly do that the first budget here so i'm learning lots of things about operations i don't catch you know on the day to day but i could tell you that as you guys are seen dennis is a book about s for the two i've been here before but those who don't know me nick warner executive director of the new ski valley park district he says launch cody she's our programs director also business manager also  thinks she's actually worked there for longer and i haven't really wanted to be part of the part again this year so that's why she's here she can also add additional information about our programs and services  two and we currently have eighteen properties under management at about seventeen hundred fifty acres total this is been an eventful year for us in a good way in that and i can our geographic spread as we have seven member towns in geneva county and these are were parks and located and this year really the the biggest deal for us this year was the acquisition of a new park miniscule river mouth and if you look to the left which says lake champlain that's where the bike bridge crosses the river and you go into where is this new park site and there's a two point four acre parcel that purchased in august  from a family that been operating in marina there for forty three four years and the plane with the site has really take all the buildings off and to turn it into a public park kayak canoe drop off site and we're able to do this using p h c be monies primarily a little bit of our capital reserves and then the burlington legacy conservation fund also kicked in ye yeah we are we're working with fema right now to rip the buildings down then i get to grant applications out there now for completing the park development but after the buildings are done down we plan on opening the site because it will be it will be usable but we're going to do a whole read naturalisation of the shoreline and you can see right here these buildings are still there that traffic is like a gravel traffic circle you can see in front of you here which is going to be retained for the boat drop off and then the majority of the site about an acre and a half is all going to be read naturalized along the shoreline so it's a great project it's and it's kind of fun of works in the development side for a long time so going to get permits to taking buildings down is something that's a different experience which actually that the system is not really set up for but if that were literally were taking a site that's got i think six buildings on it and they're all coming down all the foundations are coming up it's floodplain so it's kind of a logical way to manage the site and this is an artist's rendering of what it might look like when it's done it's very exciting project and then just in general we do a lot of park of getting volunteer support we work with a lot of youth programs we work with corporations we work with volunteer groups that go that help us exponentially add to our seasonal crew that comes in every year this is some work done a mccrae we have a park and culture esther which we are just about finished completing a trail system on that required a ton of bridges and stairs and punch in and so forth it's called the walk of family natural area it's on east road and in the springtime they'll be open to the public so it's very exciting development this is just a picture of some y c see folks who are working on that project we also have been continuing essentially side work with the city south bronx and moved with a pass an assessment for maintaining their parks like you guys do but we also have a contract with them to do work on their properties when we have time to do that and it's been a very successful relationship we've learned what our capacity is we have to grow it incrementally but it's been able to bring in extra extra income to the south intervale in burlington it got totally torn apart with the ice this past winter and we were able to patch it back together and we're going to be replacing that structure in total sometime in the next couple of years really a big deal for us is the increase in our programming and really jump in any time more and this really lauren has had a big part of this when i first started four and a half years ago we had a pilot program for a summer camp it's now grown into a full eight week program we have waiting lists we provide lots of scholarships we have february they cation camp and we have in the school curriculum and we also have a growing afterschool presence and we're discovering that we're really filling a need that's out there just to mention this we're in self reliant and earlier you know we were discovering kids are not having recess time they're having time outside they're not getting enough interaction and we're not just providing natural resources education it's really turned into a multiple service which we embrace but it's i just mention this in public forum because i think it's kids are not getting enough play time enough free time and anything we can do to supplement that is is important so we keep it fun but we also have we have a really great series of activities and curriculum this is this is the soul camp which is our summer program and it's been highly successful for us and it's also brought an income to the organization which is great we've been able to add field trips  last two februarys and if you're if you have kids in school that you know the february has been a washout so i had to use his picture from an after school so this isn't actually during the february day camp but in concept of the activity of that kind of the  growth piece for us and lauren is finishing up a grant right now to the basin program that would fund an intervale based program that would serve combined service learning with with the curriculum to bring groups of kids down and work on improving the floodplain forest and dealing with invasive and lindy's plane and that kind of thing so we're we're pretty excited about that and it's an extension of what we're doing anyhow so it's not a stretch for us to to do that we have a great program in jericho that's been going for many years which is more about our kids programming and our annual conservation field day with over three  hundred fifth graders as is a real you know benchmark each year for us reminds me reminds us why we're in business and it's just really exciting and we've been really lucky with the weather twenty eight activity stations over three hundred kids  this year you will be finishing the trail system the walk definitely increasing our afterschool presence and service learning programs the contract to work in member towns is going to extremely well we the south rawlinson has  another year we've done some work for when you ski and we've done some work for willesden very recently and will be finishing off developing hopefully finishing off the the new park there waco we have a  couple acquisitions out there that we're looking at one potential is in williston it's called the jacob property it's a twenty six acre parcel another one is a larger parcel that's a quieter conversation because the owners haven't figure out what they're going to do yet but there's a potential for a fairly large acquisition involved with that and then the other piece is just our continuous search for new sources of revenue and ways to support the organisation so that's the quick and dirty of of who we are what we've been doing and each year we ask our member towns to support us through an assessment that's determined using a formula that takes population and grand list and we do a recalculation each year the last two years have been flat in terms of our ask this year we're asking for more our overall budget has increased by a little over thirty four thousand dollars and the main reason for that increase is while really twofold one is cost of doing business and those of us who work there we cost a little more each  year but we also hired remy creates also we have a new employee and the logic behind hiring remy who is on an hourly at will basis so he's you know he knows he's in a very flexible kind of experimenting with it is first of all he's been with us for five years in a bunch of different roles he's been in america corey's been a camp counselors who don the crew and about half of his time he's doing things that bring us money so he's doing work you know the contract work with south burlington he's running o star summer camp he's done the february camp he's helping out mentoring with the afterschool program and he works on our crew and the vet any also does natural resource inventory work around new park acquisition and we just couldn't bear the thought of him walking out the door after he finished with the crew last year and we did the numbers and i went to the board and so we really just got to hire this guy because he's brought so much value to us i can tell you even if we had budget would have gone up maybe slightly less than this but we've made it investment in someone who we feel can bring extra revenue and value to what we're doing just you know i mean our whole organization there's three salaried employees and remy and then seasonal crew and camp counselors that's the center of organization talk to lights and any questions or  happened i believe it was just last year around budget season there was a cut made to your line item in particular and so a resident had to get up and beg a town meeting for that amount to be restored is there something that you could say to us this year that we should be keeping in mind when it comes down to that time to cut the budget part so that you don't face that again you're not the organization that potentially takes that i could argue all night but i think i did my bias will show but we've really worked hard to keep our operation as efficient as possible and i feel very comfortable that  you know we present every day of the life of the line items and their budget in total so people can pick it apart the concept of a regional parks district provides a lot of efficiency around the maintenance of these properties and if you don't maintain a conservation property it is not a conservation or you become something very different so we are at the core of our existence is trying to be an efficient organization that can acquire and we are very active in acquisition as it were growing we're actually adding park acreage and i feel that there really no fat to cut and when i first started this job your first thing you do is you pull out the all your numbers and say ok how's this all work and i took a look at it as like there is no place to go in terms of cutting things  o i guess the other piece is we do have a system by which each town's ability to pay is at least we make a good mathematical attempt determining the affordability to each town haven't missed anything that it should be it welcome scrutiny it's kind of it's kind of fun that way in that you know people call and they ask about the organization several times of sending a p d f of the budget and they call it and they say you send me your entire budget was i mistakes and no this is this is the public sector and i guess the other thing is you know governance you do there's a and tom malinowski could not be here tonight and he's one of our more active in gauged trustees but there is a board of trustees that i work for i'm an at will employee if they don't like the work i'm doing you know i'm out the door and so there's a very strong presence for each municipality at the table every month of the trustee meetings so peace or any other corrections on page three page four you know we were talking in the past about where do we put the mysteries and where do we just use folks names maybe the first time we interview someone we use their name and then after that we call them mr except in the section where it gets a little bit weird on line one ninety three because we're going to do some of these people but we have in our new starters and if we say mr gent is r read on line two forty five please at the end of the sentence i also mention that if a complaint was filed we would bring somebody back and re examine their permanen upset said that their policy is for overdue and copier fees to go to the village general fund that led to clarify that to say the policy used to be overdue and copier fees went to the village general fund comma but now the funds go to the brownell library in favor of approving the minutes of nov fifth with the aforementioned changes please signify by saying i i opposed motion passes for zero thank you make you any comments or questions about the consent agenda items have an opening on the energy committee anything else in the reading file you link there's a email at our seats regarding from chief poll regarding the mutual aid training and i just was curious as to what the questions were regarding that prompted the response sure there are some comments i went  area is and there is a question as to our local firefighters having to go if one of the the planes or any plane in the area goes down but specifically searing the issue with any of the materials that make up the plane or any of the chemicals that are coating the plane i'm in both chief cole responded that you know their guard is the first responder of any plane crash in the area of up to three miles away from the airfield and they are all trained on they will try to save lives but in general and any aircraft goes down you you  have this thought you're going to go rushing in but you have to be very careful of the flammable materials and other things so they are trained with their i think it's called us as c a b a respiratory stuff so when our they go in they have their hazmat suits they also have respirators so they are not breathing in those toxic fumes but he wanted to share that and sort of right there after he gets a notice that there's training so we seared that with that are our fire departments both village and town go to a lot of trainings especially about airplanes because we are next to the burlington airport we are next to the air national guard and we do have a lot of overflight from other nearby airports so i threw it in the i'm not aware of their payload they certainly can ask i don't know if they'll tell us what i do know from the military is many of their equipment and stuff th safety features but but i will certainly ask what their intentions are in terms of nuclear weapons and i think that's one of them want to know because  is cases may be breathing in the fumes from a burning plane or i understand that it's great for the first responders to have protection but the rest of us don't heritage action so i think would be really good if the public were alerted as these planes are coming next fall and one of the things as we can take i believe one of the things they do is in the case of this they cordon off a certain radius of that crash but that's with any a bit later note i draw your attention to the meeting schedule i think there were two revisions on there instead of january the twenty first the meeting will no be on the twenty third which i believe is a wednesday for a budget work session and then instead of february the eighteenth which was originally listed that meeting has been changed to the twenty first which again is another wednesday that's correct and just to make it clear for anybody is listening at home listening at home those dates of january twenty third and february twenty first have been approved by the board feedback and i'm glad that we are able to accommodate their mis there the technical advisor committee or the regional advisory committee there recommended those specific findings i did attend that meeting and new tour but erp our local airport is doing ok one of the things you know when you look through that you will see that the number of flights don't actually go up very much but the passenger does and so one of the questions was how do you do that you do it with bigger planes and so you do it bigger planes and basically what you're seeing is a lot more seven thirty seven type aircraft first as the bombardier canadian air type thirteen row three seat across now you're starting to see more sort of eighteen to twenty rows seven thirty seven's and things of that nature which just means they're we're more of a regional hoben and we are getting more of the connecting flights a lot of our air or our boardings our people going to new york whether it's j f k la guardia philadelphia or others we do get a couple of our own direct flights that originate here and come back and forth we do have direct flight to chicago and there are going to be front terror lines that will be going to orlando but that's sort of the mix that they're seeing and the a they try to get the airports to be more specific about their boardings because everybody says oh they're going to grow they're going to grow and that's how they do a lot of resources so they've said no we want actual boardings and things of that nature not just playing capacity that comes here so that's one of the things you to see in there and as it is been the burlington airport is small and does not have a lot of land associated with it that is not then also used for another purpose already like the air national guard so they're trying to figure out how to maximize their space they are looking at a hotel that will be built adjacent to the property as that they feel will help with their travel and then the other thing that the air national guard does is they're also part of the ground crew and they do a lot of the plowing and other things and they're also their fire department on site so it was interesting for that matter and so they brought in self throwing tim was there we did bring that up and they continually try to find someone who would be an air carrier to do that that would be wonderful so in going to the bigger planes in reading through that report i didn't see anything about runway lengths being an issue so run wavelength is an issue of the seven thirty seven and then there's one larger aircraft which is use for freight at still about the max that they can handle is that unless that depends on weight but of the ends of their runway are generally restricted in bad weather because a lot of their stuff is by they have lights at the end of runways but i don't know the technical term but  something like a couple hundred feet of the runway is not technically supposed to be used the last it is in bad bad weather so they they they have certain restrictions and  only fed ex uses a larger aircraft and seven thirty seven and the and the and the air but they have been putting a lot of concrete down they think that is their national guard has done some taxi we taxi way work the air airport was doing a lot of the gate near the gates there doing concrete work because once you get into a lot heavier craft the concrete underneath the jetway needs to be of a certain strength they are refurbishing their garage and it's so nice little airport and for those watching them it is about twelve to fifteen minutes almost in any traffic but it's it's pretty convenient to us and when we were talking to some bit local businesses not only were they like a bit of boston connection but they'd also like a much real connection