please the court counsel my name's bicycle every person the employer in this matter for safe technologies the issue in this case is whether or not the commission erred in finding that  say it would be a possibility although there is no clear direct link to lifting it was a case of caps the lightest and it can be seen spontaneously especially in a diabetic so i can't make a direct link however if the repetitive  working for her say there is no evidence in the record that those are heather or is even diagnosed with and i just effected shoulder the proof presented in this case or lack thereof is similar to what was presented rest of the doctor's opinion that the claimant envy could have or might have been caused by the act isn't that sufficient legally i believe that sufficient poem think that's what we have here he's saying at best it's a possibility which i think is less than could have or might impact what he's actually saying in this case is it's a possibility that it's at best it's a possibility but really what it is it's functioning as development based on her e and the within a reasonable degree of medical certainty testimony but what's different between those two scenarios but i think it's i think the doctor saying that it's it's one of those why isn't there enough well first of all the evidence as to when she did sort of developing pain is if you take it from her testimony it was on april tenth of zero four which would ok so we have her saying that she's working this case in a best case scenario for her for a lot of months before she started developing problems with her shoulders although she continued to do the same jobs for them for the eleven months so i don't believe that her testimony is sufficient to prove that the shoulder is related to her job because she was working there for at least eleven months or maybe even fourteen months before she started developing the problems in her shoulder so we so that takes up the chain of events the chain of events theory of proof is good though prior to the job and bad health immediately after the job i don't think it's reasonable to say even eleven months after starting the stratton doing his job duties is reasonable so i don't think he has your question i don't think her testimony is sufficient and again i think there's a difference between could or might have an at best there is a possibility i think that fs there is a possibility i mean he's he's straining to even say that there's a possibility you want to come out and say yes it's possible so if he's i don't want to say that it does it's possible he's certainly not going to say it could have or might have strained seen a fast it's a possibility he in that opinion recognized that there was conflict the medical testimony that should not have been disturbed in the distinguishing characteristics between orient this from my recollection is that there was a eat decision in that case which we don't have in this particular is i disagree with counsel's remarks that the commission decision in this case is solely based upon the opinion of opponent justice holdridge roche determination of causal connection by the commission is a question of fact not to be set aside unless there's it's against the manifest weight of evidence meaning that an opposite that shows a five foot four employee pushing these banker boxes to the ceiling room completely full of that so i think if the commission did not in and of itself rely mean you you can't see that this injury was caused by employment if the the mechanics of the injuries described could never cause it you can't say that you can't you can't come up with a i think that in the context you know i don't disagree with you that pick a side in the verbiage in the case law is all over the place about could or might be or a possibility or a cost factor i guess if if this court were incline to  about a systemic problem some kind of pathology that can't be explained by trauma and i think that's what dr all of which is saying that the strange even say it's a possibility so i disagree that he's  surgical certainty that he's a capsulized this is caused by the living that she's doing at work in fact i think it comes out and he says that there is a drug link between the development of spontaneous development of his is a capsule latest and her immediate on this case girl you have her saying i was at work i was doing something at work and had a problem with my shoulder that's a lot different than i started this this job on february seventeenth two thousand and three and within the next week i was having severe pain in my shoulders you don't have that testimony so i don't think you have a medical testimony and i don't think you have factual testimony to support the commission's decision and i think based on the record the commission's decision is against