in for example six o five that we're reading this idea that the six zero five is citing the new way or poor which doesn't apply to was but we still amended it so that if somebody is applying or going to sign a new airport in another city some city says let's go to another neighboring city and put an airport they have to get the approval of the city council that you know of that city so in each case we're at in pretty much the same language that the legislative body of the municipality in which the airport a landing field is located now has to be part of the solution making and that would also apply for example one six zero four six for expenses except in this case it's the annual meeting of the voters it's not the city council and i case it's whole city that gets to vote for such things as the airport budget we're basically yeah the upward budget which now burlington votes is the only city that votes on the airport but the whole city it's as part of their town meeting everybody gets to vote to approve the budget including the airport budget well this would mean that south burlington would also get to approve the war budget or disapprove it if we didn't like something so we would have a real say on that can i ask you is that a separate item in the city of burlington some so it go tensional could be voted down while the rest of the city's budget is it puts up a cap and i have a copy of the budget here and this is what the airport portion of the of the burlington budget looks like it's about twenty pages of a spreadsheet but the first separate item on the ballot right well i think it is yes because it's it's own state that they have a resident of burlington who's disagreeing with these statements but maybe that's a discussion jim and i tried to amend it is basically associated with municipal airports and either the joint operate acquisition operation as well as the resolution by joint committee to include any of the details of the resolution and then of course the extension of boundaries abandonment and location and the changes really that we started to affect were in six zero five where basically recognized the fact that airports can span state boundaries that recognize their state boundaries and also recognize the fact that airports can span municipal framers really intended for that and their recognition the fact that it can span other political subdivisions they just didn't address it and it wasn't purposeful i think it was in fact an oversight and in doing so with the language that jim and i add in ok which basically was based on airport location what it does is it now provides south burlington to enjoy the same provisions under law with regards to airport airport operations expansion and all of the governance associated with that airport the solution from that is the applying for grants because right now the way it is written in the f a a rules and regulations you must be an airport operator or sponsor all right we are not at least at this time going to pursue change of federal law but it most certainly is feasible to entertain having our legislator legislation entertain change of statutory law which would give us basically the the authority if you will or the presence at the table ok to be a participant in airport governance and put that in the hands if you will of our governing body you folks ok to include if one is to go  through one of the provisions in here where it basically states that a budget or any expense associated with the expansion improvements equipment or maintenance of a shall be addressed in a special meeting ok or an irregular or regular annual meeting all right where the majority of the voters ok have the opportunity to vote ok on that expense well in our case we never had that opportunity because that was always in the hands of the burlington voters whether it be through their representatives or at the ballot box so we've never had that now this this provision is is vital to meet the terms of the human constitution which which was brought up at the previous two weeks ago at the at the city council meeting by making where we you know we are supposed to have the government that's accountable to the people and yet the government that's really has super influence in the airport neighborhood is burlington through the airport and all of the problems the airport creates for people in that neighborhood for their children and for their families and for everything don't we have a and accountability problem and as thomas pointed out in his resolution as well there's a serious accountability from in those that were in your resolution so this would have to make the decisions and even with respect to grants we would have the authority to approve the grant her to accept the grant we wouldn't have the a priority  caused affordable housing to be demolished here we would have this the city council would have the authority to approve or disapprove of that when you have multiple municipalities  the governing bodies charter or in some in terms of pull greenman or whatever or the language in this case of the statutory law which our amendment woods would  basically declares that in the case of voting here it would require a majority by each you know in some policy where the airport is located so since the airports located in south burlington burlington owns the airport they may in fact apply for the grant and form a budget however in order for the grant to be approved or the some introductory material it's a second to the last page is some introductory material and i think our likes it's not part of the amendment that's just an explanation of why we're doing this for your ba sically it also has to do with accountability so that because as the board of health in burlington burlington's on board of health issued by document  that they voted on and approved and it lists the health affects hearing loss stress disturbance heart attacks hypertension and stroke delayed reading and verbal comprehension that's the children and then they said in this thing you know what really tim board of health you're a stiction is limited to the city of burlington and that's that's the that's summarized can't encapsulate  id burlington to consider the problem in south burlington because as their board of health said they don't have jurisdiction here so what they what they would be sensitive to is expense cost money things that now they have a reason to really because that affects their budget and their city but the health effects on the children here they're not it's not their jurisdiction it's it's really the the problem identified by the revolutionaries who created this country and the state you shouldn't have a split authority you should have the people who are they are the rulers over their own destiny right you shouldn't have a foreign king or a foreign city having control because you get these  what we are on the last page is the addition to the city charter the proposed addition it's why it's all underlined and it would basically we would be have the right only would have the authority in through the city council to impose the similar fees to what burlington is already applying at the airport burlington generates nineteen million dollars every year by applying fees for things like in claimant that's two point four million landing that's about two million car parking is almost six million car rental is about two million and concessions to about half a million they also apply other fees and and so it adds up to nineteen million for red and in the in the one of the biggest ones is rent in the terminal building and other places so and we would we would use the same rules to create any other warden and starts with b b sets that you know would be by the city council and acting in ordinance along the same lines of enacting any other kind of ordinance sections one of six to one on one of the chapter of our of our city charter and then to the fees must be used for airport purposes they can't be used for general city purposes you can't extract money from the airport and use it for something else but airport purposes definitely includes protecting in the words can acting in the people in the neighborhood and that's both in the  both recognised by the f a a and by federal regulation the federal regulation says that passenger facility charge that's the employment fee can be used for reducing the impact of aviation noise on people living near the airport not in a federal regulation that's one of about eight items that can be useful but that is one of them and that's i think that's right that's only one of the ads but for us it would be the only but for but for the airport they they can use it for a whole range of airport purposes like they're using it now for the new apron outside the i forget why they call it an equipment as well as another thing that they're using it for but we would only use it for the purpose of the for purposely addition listed here for mitigating sound insulating chamberlain school insulating homes and suggested a couple of weeks ago seven measuring equipment in throughout the neighborhood that would be connected to the internet so everybody could see just how loud these planes are near their houses and so if we had if that was adopted then i think as the city manager mentioned two weeks ago it would have to go to a vote by the by the by the voters and then it would have to go to the legislature for the charter committee review and that's one of the reasons why we brought this floor forth first to socialize it or get it distributed ok for for your review and consideration and then next to see if you would take allow taking further action on it so we could get it before char committee as well as having the city attorney take a look a quick look at the are there any other comments and questions from the public on items not on the agenda i would just like to note for the record we all got a lovely letter from leslie hunt and it says dear mrs really and mr dorn on july twenty ninth two twenty seventeen i had the pleasure of attending the mozart festival in our beautiful veterans memorial park what a thrilling occasion it made me very proud to be a resident of south burlington i've only lived here for fourteen months but i'm reminded regularly how lucky i am to have settled here what made that evening extra special was that i had come with a neighbor and a friend who uses a wheelchair when we arrived early at the concert we were lucky to meet joe is a bit of your public works department what a wonderful kind helpful and compassionate ok well i wanted the public to know that sometimes we get positive feedback not always negative or change so all right moving on announcements and the city managers report tom you want to start with your beating in the school board meeting at the rb i'd be interested i know it's open before the rb so i'm sensitive to not try to influence any discussions there but i'd love to understand what's going on with there's been talking about for example for us that would be good in there and it would be fabulous to have those numbers comparison and i hope they don't want to assess us more based on those numbers had had come in and talked with us and i know we asked that and i think there had been a reduction after that but it still seems i think that we are way out of line with what we pay and rightly so i think if you were going back to them that while i believe we were told that more people took advantage of the service versus using the bus that has the ability that could transport a number of those folks and not be on like special call so i think we need to have that cleared up force here wonderful enjoying the food the conversation music the camaraderie and you know how it's off to maggie and her team and how wonderful it is to go and not see all of these down and it's great and i think our decision to help put some permanence to the electrical issues up at the park is going to prove to be fantastic city and when it comes to the other part there was an airport commission meeting that i'll discuss on here that well i was on vacation but i did go to that bikes in tonight you're going to be taking up a resolution related to airport governance tom and i have been asked to attend other communities like boards who are taking this up as well for the next month so i'll be for before but housing committee met two weeks ago they're meeting in tomorrow they're working closely with the joint or with the planning commission on some things that i think will eventually be making it to you in the l d r is related to affordable housing  the joint survey committee i'll be talking about that later in my presentation has met the community coalition on mental health is met again is meeting every two weeks roughly on thursday of this week the city managers and many of the chiefs are meeting with secretary kobe from the agency human services to talk about mental health and opiate related issues in the in the central treatment county area  as you may know secretary has been asked to develop solutions proposed solutions to many problems in mental health in the state through act eighty two and this is a way for him to find out what's going on with our first responders so and he was very good about setting up the meeting jim levy our resident jim levy was instrumental and he's involved in some of these task forces met with  richards last week just to catch up on airport related issues one thing i will want to let the council now and i'll shoot you a memo on this there will be a commercial property that the airport is going to in all likelihood acquire over on a drive that is probably beyond restoration because of its condition it's the former knights of columbus building and they will probably demolish it rather than proposal and so city fast is saturday this saturday the twelfth and so we hope everybody can attend all members of the public can attend  we hope it will be bigger and better even than last year so it's a veterans park and i think fireworks are planned for it's not raining and then also one last thing tomorrow night from five to  seven there will be a master planning party under what so council members and residents who are interested in going up and talking about the future uses that underwood are encouraged to go i think they're going to have a food truck up there and parking will be on the south side of nolan farm road and at overlook park so please come and share your perspective on future uses of one it's not we don't know how many counselors or various committee members will show up but i think we're ok thank you all right moving on to the consent  know yes we can pass them on are we i would entertain a motion to improve the consent to gender as presented unless someone wants to pull something out some already moving on to number seven council reports from outside committee board assignments i don't have a me so i think pat you did have your things from the i know and i was looking for the  agenda in here actually it was a fairly quick meeting but when it comes down to the point of south burlington i felt that it was important for even though the airport commission will not vote on anything that i bring before it as far as introduction of the resolution and so on i did bring up the that the resolution was being presented that meeting and that's what i was looking for and here i'm sorry i thought i thought i put the agenda in my handbag here tonight and i didn't and i've got to get misread and i can give you the date before  ago it was as a matter of fact it was now on channel seventeen and they live streamed it so and then they showed it about every time i was flipping through this right there front and center and charlie it was a little more up close and that's perfectly ok but we did have a i brought i brought forth to them what our intent was with the resolution that we hadn't voted it that there were four items that the city council agreed that we would take take on one was to have the have our legislators locally bring some issues forth  on the is what was brought up tonight which might require a charter change one was on the governance of the airport through the resolution at which point i will interject that we did have and you will see that if you watch it questions as to why we fixing something that isn't broken and i mentioned that it was going to be revised that we were all asked if we had revisions that we thought were important when the man i mentioned the fact that there was a comment that some should be collapsed because of the length of the resolution and so on but i hadn't received anything at that point differently i offered to give the resolution to them one of the other chair not to chair but one of the other commissioners asked why i was bringing it forth to them since they wouldn't be voting on it and it would be something the city would deal with and i said well i understand that i think it's important future know what our feelings are in south burlington what is coming for us nothing has been adopted but that it is on our agenda to come forward as the memorandum of understanding was so i was pretty vocal on it  not telling them one way or the other or whatever but our feelings were but that it was something that was going to be discussed thank you and they did bring up  picture we did get the preview even though i was told it hadn't been presented south burlington we didn't get the preview of the pictures of the proposed airport at least the architect's drawing of the earth and where it would be and entrance to the hotel which as you were coming in and it really looked very attractive and and then there was at billy's and it could have been seven days that ran the piece on it anyway  it would there would be a space between the end of the parking garage to the south end of the garage but there would be a connection from the hotel so that someone could walk through looked very attractive and you know i think something that if you saw the picture of that it would be you know the idea for the airport is to make the accommodations easier so that people will stay obvious revenues are not enhanced by hotels in the area that for a one night stay give seven nights or whatever accommodation for parking so this would this would help that this well so interesting media certainly has an impact on some of those hotels so that's a negative i guess for some business people and self burlington but i was just curious do they have that i think but i think they have contracts with national hotel as well so for their you know the different airlines contract with various hotels that's been my hotel stay full but you know impacts from others but that's i don't think you're going to say yes i don't think you're going to see you know parents who want to be close to you know necessarily staying there i mean  considering possibly taking action on the draft city council resolution on climate change and the energy committee representative to represent cummings a member of the energy committee and i'm sam swanson i'm also a member of the energy committee so i know that you have we have two spots on the agenda and i wonder if talking a little bit about what we've been doing prepares what the committee has been doing prepares the discussion for the resolution of the coalition that's fine with me is that ok with the council so we don't talk about georgetown they are still doing the analysis as to who is going to make the finals in the energy prize however we've all long have felt that the experience and the opportunity to to participate in the prize was worth doing even without winning so we've recently come to the conclusion that the results are in fact the prize the results we're seeing in south burlington are the process as far as we're concerned we recently out of the city had a press conference with green mountain power and efficiency vermont that announced that we had saved about six percent electrical usage for our residents so that's that's fairly significant we've been doing an analysis with vermont gas in terms of residential use and we think it's on the order of five percent reduction for much gas so five percent in the face of other otherwise growing use so we think we're at about seven hundred fifty thousand dollars worth of annual savings for our efforts so far that's simply on  residential usage we're still doing some analysis on the municipal usage and we'll see what we get in terms of of those results so this money seven hundred fifty thousand is now available for our residents to use for other bills that are important for them to pay putting money away for their retirements putting away money for their children's education the money that they spend locally instead of spending it in that ultimately the money leaves the state that money stays in our local economy i have to say we've had tremendous help with this with our and advertising is an advertisement and gave us many free placements from upstate employees credit union and hagan associates our marketing part we feel that we've changed the way people behave which is i think really important it's what we were going after the words think or mean hardest thing to accomplish is very hard to accomplish along the way their behaviors about investing in technology may have changed as well thermostats showerheads hopefully more people are getting the message about weatherizing their homes  i think the most important message that we conveyed was that climate change is real and that we each should be doing something about it and each of us are capable to think about it it's a question of changing our own personal behaviors to do something about it and i think we've made some headway in this these efforts in the residential area were accompanied by efforts in schools and city operations  and we feel all of those efforts are a continuation of our journey towards reducing our impact on climate so with that in mind i get to talk about the from climate pledge coalition it's really an extension of what we've been doing on a more or less informal voluntary basis we're trying to change the way our community our residents businesses he relates to energy use and make it a little bit of more of a formal process and  we're asking that the city join the coalition it's a coalition of many communities excuse me it is intended to be a coalition of many communities includes businesses includes energy providers includes transportation universities colleges for example berton seventh generation g m p from uk gas these are people that in the energy providers for example is is a segment of our economy that you might think would be threatened by this very issue but they've joined the coalition realizing that it's necessary so our view is that it's widely recognised that climate change is real it's a multi dimensional problem it needs to be addressed at all levels there are specific things that various levels of governments can do and be most effective that in their policy decisions and their day to day operations clearly our national policies towards energy efficiency standards you know automobiles have made dramatic improvements in the reduction of c o two prius per mile of a car or of like truck state and local policies shape our renewable energy future state and local operating policies and decisions about what quint to buy where to spend dollars for capital improvements how we manage our buildings and how we regulate future development these all have a major can have a major impact play a major role in their investments and day to day activities in reality what it is is each of us is responsible in the various roles that we hold in society you have public or private are responsible to change the way we're dealing with energy we've demonstrated this over the last couple of years that this can be done and i think we can take it to a further level it comes down to the decisions that each of us make and the behaviors we exhibit in our various roles in the simplest terms terms we can turn the lights off when we don't community they're attempting to reach what the national commitment was at the paris accord obviously some of the tools that were in play when those commitments were made national policy may not be available to us but we still have state and local policy and the people who live in this in the city and in the state each of the members who joined can work with has efficiency utilities and the transit organizations in in the region all have capabilities that would assist each of the members each of the community members in developing plan and reaching their goals there's a lot of power if for example region wide we have a number of communities who are operating on this if you think about transportation if you think about the  breaking out where we use energy it's largely the number one uses transportation and transportation is a regional issue so if we get regional members in this weekend perhaps tackle that more effective accord general electric apple dow chemical exxon mobil unilever intel three m dana bank of america dupont cargo johnson and johnson coca cola corning common not related morgan stanley and walt disney group all think it's important that we tackle climate change so that's the energy committee is is asking you please join in this effort for the future of our children is there a resolution on time yes we submitted a resolution to check if if if you would put if you were interested or inclined perhaps we haven't gotten the wording exactly right in every place here but the sense is a policy decision on the part of the city and then a plan  by resources and staff through the administration to the cabin to work on developing plan and execution and to execute the plan to achieve these results is the date that you're looking for on there twenty twenty five percent what i heard is that what the state i thought the states was illiterate yes that's the state has the state does not b fifty is so far out in order for decisions to be meaningful to begin to think about what are the transition and do it different sectors to get there from here but there was nothing set in stone for this right w goals to reach by certain dates is an additional thought i'd like to layer on i think you're one of the many different hats i as a citizen volunteer i also bring i serve on the vermont clean energy development board and i also serve as on the board of directors of my interfaith power light and one of the things that were wrecked finding in the continuing discussion and gauge me on this issue of climate change energy and of a local economy is that there's incredible convergence it isn't a trade off and that just now they are clean energy development board has sponsored under different ministration several studies which are documented that provide now leadership nationwide that is resulting in substantial numbers of jobs for more people and it is now the fastest growing sector in the in the in the mornings well with a moral commitment to the issue which so many people feel is so important to us as it and i think the only other piece because i'm a finance person what type of financial support would be expected from the city whatever the city deems as appropriate i think you will find in the work that we've done so far  about facilities they pay for themselves very quickly you know recently the public works department change the lights on the limekiln bridge and substantial savings and they're in the process of looking at all of the streetlights and i expect substantial savings from those we've upgraded heating at various places in municipal buildings so some of these could be actually part of our standard budget and just built in to make these modest changes to that can be significant no longer i think that if you recall we created a special fund right now i know that that we do funds from the good fortune out of we can turn that into investments each of those investments will reduce the line items in the budget so two years from now you know our energy budget for the city for natural gas and electricity should be lower you're kind of building a revolving fund if you want to think of it that way that this year's work funds next year and the year after and so forth so i will be honest with you i think it's going to take staff time i think it's going to take staff time to organize and to to make things happen just as we have staff time to make city center central at staff time as a lot of energy committee works on which is gauging the public to change their behavior is that i fear i see yes as an adjunct to the city's efforts and how it breaks out we have been the the only organization that has worked with the residence but i think we could build a city pride for example where we are leaders in energy efficiency and that very very feeling of of being in a leadership role would inspire businesses and residents to do even more so where it breaks off between the city managing their operations and investments and helping engage the community at large i'm in gauged in is i would work on a citizen advisory committee in the city of burlington for the creation of a new district energy heating system for the city that would draw waste heat from the mcneil plant so i've worked with the mayor and the director of the world in what the department on this and this is a project the citizens have been involved in for dect almost a decade and has been but what has and what has captured the imagination of the city of burlington mayor's office administration and the bruins more to apartment is that they see an alignment between their new goal to it achieve a net zero community  and achieving carbon goals and this but when you sit down and talk with them about it they have a very pragmatic view it says we have we're committed to these goals of net zero we're committed to the goal of achieving our climate goals but we were doing it in the framework of we think that this will serve the communities economic interest tax the financial issues that you're concerned about and what i'm finding is in working with these people is that having the policy commitment is a very powerful focusing force that is an enabling the city is inspiring the city will to find opportunities that they otherwise weren't approaching affect aggressively affirmatively and with this project will they not they will not only achieve a whole bunch of environmental benefits that the can the citizens of the community of the advocating for years but they're seeing an opportunity to provide an energy system for the new redevelopment of downtown provide an energy system that will enable the hospital and the university to achieve its and its its own goals and the city itself will see significant tax revenues as a result and our point is we know that you have an interest in climate change and you probably have you would have had said these things to friends and neighbors but there's something about a policy statement that has that moves it be it moves it in serves as a focusing element to achieve to move things along and we think that it's not just a good idea but we think it's a necessary idea and especially in the that others in the state are moving forward we think that's the city of burlington ought to be there among the leadership communities in vermont not following up five years later when others we think this is a great community the things you're doing are incredible the things you've done within the city itself in the city buildings and the schools really is a kind of thing that we're getting pretty individual press release of attention but a policy like this puts us says in a very affirmative way this stuff is serious to us and we think that it has and it provides an opportunity for the our community to see a whole bunch of benefits that won't happen if we don't make this affirmative focused effort are there other questions are com when you give a lot of deference to kevin and how he could commit stuff resources but i agree with you stating a policy statement like this making it clear to our city manager that as we act and in every facet every corner of our operations we need to think about sustainability so i support it giving deference to kevin and figuring out how to insert that into stuff a lot of things i said i support this too for a couple reasons one because it's it goes haves that that kevin has indicated they're starting to take place in one of the departments of the city right lean manufacturing lean concepts of efficiency right so i mean this this this dovetails very nicely with with attempts to increase efficiency increases in efficiency i mean there's less waste and when there's less way less waste usually means that there's more value in something that you spend money on which hopefully means that you don't raise taxes or you might even lower  but above and beyond that it's like you know so that we're going to leave washington behind here right because they're going to move backwards and everybody else moving forward right and great britain's already committed to twenty forty four no more interim combustion engines that is a huge goal and their goal is to improve air quality there's no reason why we can't be back on top of this and say well air policy has two components right it's got greenhouse gases that it's got particulates that you shove into people's lungs and it gives them the diseases right so anything that we can do to improve air quality is good for the planet so i think that we have we have a a residential responsibility the municipal responsibility and a community responsibility overall and this resolution  embodies those goals that we should all keep in mind every day when you turn on your car right where you raise your thermostat the mill the wintertime worry or you lower it you know in the in the summer time so i support this and i think we should go ahead and move on  and i'd just like to add from the days that we were at georgetown greatly beginning and long shot as it might be and we all had faith that you know we'd like to win that five million dollar prize that may or may not be five million is it comes down to it but in the end it was and i think it was your comment that we will win by what ever we are attempting to have and so for your persistence and dedication and else how could you say no it's great it's wonderful and the progress we've made this is terrific and i think we owe a lot of this to the tenacity and everything  manager his thoughts about utilization of staff to carry this out what concerns or you know maybe the language classic legislative discussions this is really the council's policy making at its best really and in this form there will be challenges for the staff we will we will be looking to the energy committee for help on this i would ask one tiny change in the language if i could and that is in the second section it should be direct the city manager not the city staff just for reasons we talked about but if the council believes this to be an important priority for the city then we will do everything we can to make it happen i think we will have a relevant announcement that will we will have a i think a relevant announcement on the fifth i'm not quite ready to tee up but if you choose to pass it tonight it is one for sure if you want to feel wanted to wait to that night and have me put this in work we're fine with that is that acceptable all right so i would entertain a motion that pass the council resolution on climate change with the amendments in the you are very welcome here a little ahead of schedule but that's we don't need paul here this is a conversation about consider and possibly approve the appointment of paul stabler to the board of the chin in solid  waste district or to go through a more regular process to solicit other individuals who might be interested in the interview and make a selection so it's up to you sort of goes both ways there are certainly plenty of great people in our community who may want to serve in this you know having somebody with with that type of experience and background it is something to be said ok well what we had failed to do i guess a couple weeks ago when we we're at twelve we are already five minutes ahead so i think it looks like most people here this is item twelve is a council discussion regarding potential land conservation opportunity and hoops that's  and so it got to be the point where the council needed to hear what was afoot with this and so we managed to work it out to come tonight and you kindly put it on the agenda so alan will and john and and link of who recently died a few months ago came to me they've owned the property jointly for a long time and they're interested in conserving it and let me just tell take you right to the just trying to get the mouse or the mouse doesn't work for me is that it touched it yeah i can i can yeah i've got it all right so let me just take it to the locator right now and open that up  it's in two different trusts but of interest to us was the fact that it's part of the natural areas surrounding shelburne pot and you can see all the other colored areas are already protected land  conservancy owns a considerable portion of the land surrounding shelburne pond and we recently finished project down in a pond road as well so this is where the property sits and it's about one hundred twenty acres  and i've got a couple of bores zooms here that will bring you a little closer to the bright red yeah this is this is it right here it's in a couple of different parcels i'll explain a little bit of the mechanics of the property and i've got a couple other a couple others rooms this one here is a tax parcel map and let me bring you a little closer in the next one will be even a little bit more closer but the whole property is bought one hundred twenty two acres and homestead was here that they sold a number of years quite a few years ago and then lincoln built another house but here's the town line most of the property obviously is in shelves or there's really only about ten acres in south burlington and the south burlington line is here of course and then along this is my creek among many many many broken in the orange line is cheese factory and this is cheese factory road and then we've done the malay conservation project and it's again as i said a lot of the natural areas along this part of shelburne pond never been developed this is all open air land correct and the only house right up here off a cheese factory road right in here so it's all open undeveloped land the next the next map i'll show you kind of get to the a little more of the guts of the project this ortho photo map if you will  d explain that now and how this is is is starting to roll out so the u s the u n family would like to sell the property  or the bulk of the property and we're trying to come up with some conservation funding i'm not here to request any funding or anything from the town open space because we haven't signed any agreements we haven't signed any contracts yet  so i think that's a little premature and if we were to do that i'd rather go into executive session and i'm not prepared you know you're probably not prepared to do that but so what's the basically the project moving forward is the bread and butter farm who is right up here up in this corner and they are already grazing this forty five acres of pasture they've got it fenced and they use this for some of their beef herd they want to buy this this chunk of land in shelburne and so that's about forty five acres and we're providing we're looking for some conservation money for this and then this piece of woodland is very special the nature conservancy that says to be conveyed by t n c that stands for the nature conservancy one of the most active you know land preservation groups in vermont and worldwide really but they're very interested in this piece their intent is to buy this forty eight acres that you're seeing right here and this is some wetland area down in here this area has got some i wouldn't say old growth but it's but it hasn't been logged it hasn't been touched in fifty sixty years and the u v m has had classes out here now and they did a an assessment of it and they feel it's a pretty unique piece of property so the nature conservancy would buy this and eventually transfer this over to you again so this would be land so it's a two phase or it's a two partnership project that the vermont land trust i'm involved in this piece of land trying to conserve it so that it would be conveyed to the bread and butter farm and the nature conservancy then would purchase this piece because they own the bloody land as well they own some of this land to the south so from a south burlington perspective as i mentioned it's really this piece right here which is about eight to nine years we haven't had it surveyed yet but our g i s it's coming in around eight or nine acres this piece in the middle is another piece that the family still owns they would retain this land there's already a right away that goes through this park property through south burlington and i think paul conner the plan or you know we've had some discussions with him they do plan to do maybe a couple of houses in this twenty acres now all the house sites would be in shelburne but the right away would be through throughout south burlington and the nature conservancy would also try to have some access some pedestrian access into this land so our intent today was just to really acquaint you with this project to let you know what's going on in south throw into the i think we're pretty excited about it the bread and butter farm is very excited about it they would purchase this forty five acres at quite a reduced price it's all been appraised we've spent probably over ten thousand dollars actually the ewing family paid for most of the appraisal work so we've had some professional appraisers out justice to reason middlebury is the primary appraiser and i mean he's put this value of this land at over a million dollars of all the different parcels so it'll be a challenge for us to fund it but luckily the ewings and john ewing in particular the family is willing to take probably forty percent less overall than what this property is worth for both easement value the value to the nature conservancy and and then bread and butter would buy that forty five acres for probably less than one hundred thousand dollars in the end so they're the only way they could keep it and the easement are easement would you know prevent any further development still allow farm farming activities but the nature couldn't turn around and sell it and they could sell it but the next owner would still have that restriction on it ok so the whole piece of property all the yellow lines correct yes i should've backed up a little bit but yeah and as far as access you know the nature conservancy has talked about some public access the bread and butter folks would like to have an additional access even though they're the above hers there's where their main farm state is over here but they thought that they should also have some other access through here and of course this is other right away so that's that's i guess what we're sort of excited about and you know at some point we'll we've already talked to the town the shel they have an open space fund similar i think and obviously you know what ninety percent of the property is in shelburne but that small piece actually the small piece in south burlington has some of the nicer sort of older standing timber on it so i guess i would just open up for questions at this point i did have another slide up there but it had some more of the financials about some of the fund raising challenges that we're up against and until we have until we're closer to signing a contract with the family you know they've offered this forty percent reduction to us and it seems like an opportunity we should pass up questions one but it doesn't it's not specific to this parcel what is the normal process for targeting parcels from for to be purchased with the open space fund does that go through the natural resources committee i was under would selected usually look at the parcels and check the boxes and say yes it's you know flyway or it's for you know animals to run through or it has beautiful timber some other values that the natural resources committee has identified as being important and they tell us their conclusions i guess but the council makes the final decision and i heard you say and i'm thinking you weren't coming here looking for funds well i think at some point i mean i'm not here at this meeting to put in to put a dollar amount on it ok and i think it's a little premature because again we're still expecting it we're still working out the contract i mean i have we had shared some of those numbers in executive session in shelburne for example because the family really that was their request they didn't want it in the numbers out there public until things were be a ridiculous question but i'm looking in saying if they are the eight or so acres and sounds burlington beyond our purchasing it for conservation would we have access to that at all it looks like it's landlocked it is a land line i mean there's no public road access on that forty acres right there that would be part owned by the nature conservancy but yes or right so their way there would be a right away that would connect it would be a right of way to connect and it would be a right away that would connect it well i can this this right away right here we were talking about extending that right away across so that there would be public access and we talked about parking actually would be right in here so people could walk in there if they wanted to that they would provide some kind of parking access in the this line actually there's a there's a wetland  pretty wet piece in here that they would probably want to put a boardwalk in or something like that to get through that wetland piece so the parking we better off up upon this road somewhere like a spot for three or four cars something some of the limb that you're looking out where the ri right now is that's already you did it right away it's recorded in the land records that goes through it was link to lease property yes and that would be extended to there i presume if we wanted access we would have to pay for the boardwalk piece to be put yeah i mean i guess we could to yes there's a there's another parcel in between i could back up to look at that other map but yeah this this land all to the south is the nature conservancy land already  but they don't go they don't go through the property right now so that's why they're also interested in one sixteen right now i don't think so so they're very interested in trying to acquire this piece so are there any numbers but if we're looking at a potential forty percent reduction we can probably do the math right yeah well i think for it we're also going through the vermont housing conservation board  and that'll be one of our main grant sources and they have some caplets that we have to struggle with and so any time when there is an open space fund in a community it really helps open space fund but we're looking at a one hundred thousand dollars local fund raising campaign ourselves with a combination with the nature conservancy and from that we may have to raise another hundred thousand beyond all of our local grants from pallies and the vermont housing conservation board so it's a little struggle there is some federal money for the farmland piece for the forty five acres that's going to go to bread and butter there's actually they are ready to sell yes and these been still stays in place so whoever the next donor is they have to abide by those restrictions that more or less restrict subdivision and further housing or commercial development  and there's also an option for the vermont land trust to step in to buy the property as well when it comes up for sale and that option actually fixes that value it makes it more affordable for the next  and i don't know about the high school connection and they certainly like a center a graduate class in their field naturalists program they were certainly all over this they use this is as is one of the students was and we're hopefully within the next month or two maybe even less going to have a contract and then we can try to move forward is there a time frame that there's a time frame for some of the grants that we're seeking in coming up the next big grand rounds in the spring for not be in the chain it certainly providing funding so the nature conservancy their guitars and their plan is really not to own from very long either their plan is just to be an interim owner until and you still need to look at the screen so kevin dorn city manager here to talk to tonight about the proposed union in this full district that we have been working on for a year or so i have reported on a number of different occasions the effort combined effort of eight and then more communities to develop a plan to consolidate dispatch services among communities the idea as in review goes back to the early seventy's in fact we have found reference to a unified dispatch service between the various church and county towns from an article in the current and free press in boards and councils will continue to push to make it a reality i wanted to bring you up to speed with where we are what i'm showing you is progress to date on the union municipal district and then i'll turn to a more  transitional phase you had in your packet the draft emmel you on fees to support the district and also the draft agreement think of the greenman in terms of a charter called an agreement in this case these are draft they are subject to change the council will see this in final form for your potential approval late in the  fall the agreement will have to be ratified by the voters and so they will have the ultimate say as to whether or not we join the union municipal district so the union is a municipal district is is established in state statu and it is the vehicle that we use often to to work across city lines to combine services i'll speak a little bit more about that in a second right now when you call nine one one it goes to public safety answering point and you can see them delineated in the different colors more often than not our nine one one calls go to the willesden state police office and from there a call goes to our dispatch and so you might have all of wondered if you've ever called nine one one and then they patch you someplace else what's going on here well nine one one is really a transfer service when you call one of these public safety answering points when you dial nine one one they take your information they find out where you are they determine what first responder is appropriate what community is appropriate to respond and then they call that community's dispatch service as this points out  the nine one one process as it stands today at the never an average seventy one seconds per nine one one call and the next date in the next bullet point goes on to point out where the national fire protection recommends that ninety percent of emergency calls are process one than sixty seconds or less and that ninety nine percent of the calls are processed within ninety seconds or less so if we're already using seventy one seconds up on nine one one we can already see we're challenged to meet the standards regionalizing chin and county in chief and kind of would create a one stop nine one one system that would reduce calling transfer time by about seventy one seconds so the plan is to combine peace sap public safety answering point with dispatch in one service cutting cutting out the middleman so to speak why are we doing currently we have six locations and when i say locations different communities that provide dispatch services right now there are eight of them and with call chester providing dispatch to melton six locations have one person minimum staffing which limits the dispatchers ability to prioritize in an instance and no redundancies so at various times even south burlington has one dispatcher on the job and so you can imagine what can happen if we have a significant event  dispatcher could be overwhelmed through consolidation we can eliminate this risk with increased staffing and time for supervision and other management activities that are of benefit to the dispatchers and also to the dispatching agency mutual aid which we saw the other day when our firefighters went over to the university of vermont to help with the with a very serious blaze  currently in through a manual sequential process which lankans a call processing times with a consolidated dispatch service with a collective view of the resources that are available system wide they can dispatch the appropriate response from the appropriate location sometimes ignoring community boundaries because for instance an ambulance from coal chester is closer to a scene and south burlington than our own ambulance  services there's no dedicated oversight during fire and missed calls what this is saying is that there's in in certain cases a dispatcher will stay with a call or a nine one one operator will stay with a call through consolidation we are better able to provide that ongoing contact with the emergency responders throughout the entire event saving not only time but also providing security to our first responders who may be there in limited numbers and need help piece aps transfer calls to dispatch centers lengthening the call taking process i referred to that before consolidation minimizes these issues by transitioning decision dispatch centers into a piece at and that's assuming all call answering duties so again that's that's fundamentally the eliminating the middleman concept so how do we get there in our consolidated proposal shelburne operates p sap services you saw that in the original screen all all of the yellow they currently provide peace apps services to a large number of communities all examples of unionists will districts and they successfully provide services to people in our region through this through this governance concept those who are working on it are generally the city managers from the affected communities so from across the table we have charlie baker going our right to left who is hosting this whole event under the  this is the where the reference to vermont statute exists for the authority for a union in a civil district and for more information on this you can go to this website now getting into the agreements what is the agreement that you had in the packet this is like a charter it's being drafted by the joint survey committee with support from legal council including andrew has worked on this odd legislative counsel's office in the ramada tourney general's office in the end the attorney general's office will look at this document to determine whether or not it meets state law and will approve or disapprove of it when it's completed but this is the people who've been drafting this including andrew by the way who have this experience working in private sector on an essex project are very knowledgeable on how to set these up municipal district will be formed if citizens in each community vote by australian ballot to join so the important issue i want to present tonight is that even as we put together these various district ruff a board of directors will be established communications director executive director will be established this is the lay out the flow chart of who would be involved our chiefs will be involved as a technical advisory committee there will be an experienced executive director of the public safety communications director who will have dispatch and law enforcement or fire first responder experience  the towns will pay for this as members will have training supervisors i t support and then five cross train dispatchers typically at any given time at work in the dispatch office never again will one dispatcher be working by him or herself the members are the current shit and county communities that operate a dispatch center or have an enormous ball grammont which there is a provision here that allows us to contract with other communities for vi dispatch services to them both within and county and even outside of chip and county if this becomes becomes a preferred method for them to get their tos patched services it work currently chiefs and public safety chief police and public safety chiefs report to managers and mayors responsible for the management of public safety operations and through their legislative bodies have authority to control the budget under the new system the chiefs wolf hopes the chiefs will form a advisory committee the mayors and managers will serve on the board of the  of the district and legislative bodies will have again still have the authority to control the budget of public safety operations as you vote for this in your budget each successive year this is a little way out of the budget process it pushes the authority to get its budgeting done early so it gets to use so you can review what plans they have for the upcoming year and can incorporate it into your budget for the upcoming fiscal year the fiscal years will be identical and then after adoption of the budget each community will receive an invoice cost sharing i don't want to dwell on this it's in the m o you it is fairly complicated fundamentally cautionary between communities is based on a call for service basis on a three year rolling average so you fundamentally are paying for  volume of service you're requesting from dispatch and this talks about the ammo you that is in development that defines how this all works there is a rather complex early process to get this off the ground as members shift from having the in house dispatch to regionalize dispatch fundamentally we would be committing our current dollars directed to dispatch from our own office and into the regional authority this is a little bit hard to read but it looks at the call volume in the member communities there one hundred forty three thousand six hundred fifty two calls and  it it seeks to apportion the i projected cost based on the call percentages you'll note south burlington at four hundred three thousand two hundred sixty four dollars the highest paying member as you might imagine is also the highest  burlington at nine hundred sixty one thousand three hundred eighty six dollars and then you can read where the rest of them fall were recently closed to essex and and of course for that reason the same size community  this is our current cost we've rejected current dispatch services costing five hundred twenty nine thousand two hundred twenty five dollars so clearly there would be a savings for south burlington if everything goes as project of course i t won't but this is a projection we are we are not in this initially in the first few years to save money in the long term through economy of scale i think we will save money but this is all about the seventy one seconds to this is all about making a difference between arriving on time and not arriving on time and sending the right piece of equipment to the right location at the right time through modern communications and g i s services having just a quick question you know that's what the presumption that all of these communities participate yes burlington decided to opt out that would be a significant increase it would be and there's some question pat based upon the consultants report that that suggested that without burlington in the mix this whole set up might be or the first or second highest anyway burlington is making a very significant investment in its community community or excuse me computer aided dispatch software is a very complex piece of software that burlington is investing in their of invited to their credit they've invited all the public safety first responders in from the other communities to review this because it is our expectation that that will transfer from burlington into the union miss will district dispatch center so they're going to be testing this out but they brought other all the other chiefs in to view the products and they'll be back again with the preferred vendor i think in the next three weeks or so to further review that software as you might imagine it's comp combining communications g i s and a lot of different functions  the entire union with this software have that capability yes it what it is run by many much larger much much larger dispatch cent r yeah we're vendor three different hospitals all of the sudden can't talk to anybody else yeah that's why we have a technical advice advisory committee john you know i'm guessing or it seems that the advancements in the sophistication of different information systems are really driving this consolidation to spread the economies of scale in those those have your investments in the technical requirements to get them in place are we seeing this trend elsewhere either out in vermont other states ok so we're not out there leading on the bleeding edge of th other municipalities across the country are looking at consolidated service very much so in fact some of our various first responders have been to other dispatch centers in the northeast where they've done this and they've done it successfully there's one other in vermont that's looking at this and that's the central public safety authority was actually set up in a union minister will district they're struggling very city and montpellier and i'm not sure if they're going to make it to the finish line or not but that's another one that's trying to do this and her mom i have a question back on that one temp or you know it says a lot more than it does so is there anything to prevent this authority from expanding its breadth of types of services even though it starts off bad service there is not in the intent you need to change anything when you have when you decide to go down there remain need to amend it and that amendment would go back to the communities but the intent and this was heavily discussed because there are other areas of public safety that might be better delivered regionally for instance canine units animal control units we already do the special unit for cheating county unit for special investigations is a regional function although it's not covered under union miniscule district it has kind of a loose governance so there are others and so the question they answer is yes you could eventually choose some others others muse and in the initial part of this presentation it seems like you didn't emphasize enough the fact that you have six separate call centers that are staffed with like one person like all day or all night whatever it is right and and i don't know the quality of the calls that they're taking but and i don't know if they're doing other work as well but the fact is that you have the whole person dedicated each of these centers and they're probably not on the phone every second that there are so there are there is an economy of scale by combining these services right with fewer people doing more work and that's the with the latest technology in one place where it's all centralized and has to be me more efficient i mean i guess then you have to call time on top of that which to me is i mean i haven't heard any complaints from anybody that it takes too long to get to get you know calls and i want one answered promptly i had as a bit of the newspaper i haven't seen that i think that that's a good advantage or a benefit for doing this if you have at consolidated with the dispatcher's so but to to me the real reason to do this is because you're going to get rid of x dispatchers from x number of towns period because you don't need that  whole point i thought he's eliminating redundancy words to it's not benefiting any of the towns there will be there will be economies and staffing we still project that they'll need to have between thirty four and fit thirty six dispatchers in the in the staff or you know obviously you're consulting all these calls you're going to need a number of people over that that number is fewer or the total labor cost spent on dispatching is going to be less in th team managers along with the executive director of i t management time that will be disposed of in this in the six or in the number of towns participating were that will delight he person doesn't have to bother with dispatch be able to save any money there because you still have to pave the whole i t person so far i t person right now is out so we spread out across now we do have we do have i will say we do have a consultant that does a lot of work with  appropriate size staffing that will probably be less than the aggregated number existing today so that's the increase in the vision see that should reduce costs for each of the participating toes and you see that in the chart with and also see prove response version that you know all right now though the some of the centers the first response principally police are using a system called valko or other police departments are using a record keeping system called spelman the state uses spellman and so you have that divergence of recordkeeping software today one of the technology issues that will be overcome with this is that the new system that burlington buys if it's incorporated in will be adopted across the system and it's highly capable with these especial have the load to union we're working some of that out right now and i really don't want to get at the actual board will be the city managers mayors or their designees they will have their technical advice they will serve it aside decide this is the technical advisory group to the board and to the executive director so as a practical matter on day to day operational things the executive director will provide that guidance if they run into a problem a technical issue or some type of coding issue or anything the chiefs will be engaged to figure out a solution of the problem the managers because this is is an executive function will provide the overall governance reporting back to you in the in the budget process yes they will then of course our dispatch is located at the police department but they also dispatch obviously for the fire department so interestingly the site that has been certainly initially chosen for this regional dispatch service the union is full district service is actually in our police department building up on the second floor it's not in the police department it's in the same building however so are there actually bobby miller will get run until until the building becomes ours and then we'll get that for let me finish up here we're looking to get this going in july of twenty eight thousand we look to be adding a community every three to six months thousand and that's it i did want to speak very quickly about a transitional process the survey committee believes it's important for us to transition into this model and have more or less a beta test to see how the larger integration of communicate these is going to work the two communities that are stepping up to do that are south burlington and coal chester sometime this fall i don't have a date for yet we will be bringing our dispatch teams together in one room and they will be dispatching for both communities both south burlington dispatchers will be dispatching from both communities as well cole chester they'll be sitting side by side in the same room in the in this in the police department up stairs and we hopefully will be working out the bugs of integrating communities into the system we anticipate that at least one other community will join on or about the sound meeting vote in march probably be  another one will add right around july won and then they'll be coming in probably burlington will be last month but probably but that may not be the case so they have the software they have the software shelburne has the pi and the piece app is critical to this so we wanted to get shelburne in quickly the reason cole chester and south burlington are fitting together is because we have similar technology and so the technology issues will be the last and we'll work on the integrating teams together issues and and determine how that works best permanent dispatch operation so we budget you budgeted the public supported a f y nineteen or excuse me halfway team budget that included funding in it for dispatch services some of that will migrate over to the new service along with our dispatchers and then the m o u outlines how the rest of the transition goes until we get into a fully integrated everybody's in and everybody's paid paying based upon call volume but basically everybody will be dedicating their first two years of their already budgeted dispatch dollars excuse me to the start  technology standpoint and from an office space standpoint when is there public would be a public vote potentially in march so we would have a if you approved march of eighteen and that would be a vote on the joining the union mis terms that call to service definition we know that when a call comes in medical call or whatever we have the fire department sends out the ambulance and a truck is that the same in all communities i can't say if it is i believe in most cases it is pat ok because my question was that i know we've talked about having some different type of response potential with that to cut down sending them to their closeout and there may or may not be something that all of the  communities that we're looking at in this except or want to or what have you and yet this appears to be it's going to be based on the numbers of calls not just the call received but the service that is expected to be provided it's actually not it is the call received the funding for the regionalised dispatch service will be based upon calls not on responses so we have mutual aid agreements with our surrounding communities oftentimes you'll see a south burlington ambulance let's say in culture esther wells done and the same with them in our community or we'll do mutual aid like we did the other day you v m and they're all in burlington will come here those relationships more change the question though does highlight does this change how communities respond and this in in and of itself does not change that it it  makes it more efficient and it will end up sending the most of piece of equipment or pieces of equipment to the site but it doesn't change it doesn't necessarily change our  operational system so i guess what i was getting at is if we were under a circumstance where we needed the mutual benefit and the community where they were coming from was used to sending just the ambulance and set of the ambulance and a piece of equipment it will be unified so that that we wouldn't have both pieces going out i mean we would be treated the same that we are treating the other communities correct  i think that would remain unchanged from how it is today so if we would normally be sending out the ambulance and fire truck and i know that that seems odd but there are reasons for doing it  would continue to do that now whether or not we did that in willesden probably not if there was an ambulance call in wilson or in neighboring communities here obviously not what i was asking you know if if somebody was responding here all in development documents you have our draft this is an update and we'll update you again as we make progress and i think you can expect us to come with you for recommendation on a ballot item sometime in late fall so in the meantime if you have any questions you know where to find me and so are you pretty comfortable that the other communities will actually put on their us but i think over the initial those who are initial numbers i think over the long long term you'll see those economies come through so i think the biggest event which you said at the very beginning is a reduction in time for response right and i think that's if we even keep the same level of costs that's a huge win for people well it's going to be certainly i mean if you were burlington you'd be sitting there saying if we have this software that we are doing you know and we are providing the software that's kind of like putting a stake in the business a little bit you know and so i would see that their costs may be proportionately less storing the timeframe of the well i think software coming in the reason that it's good to have all the chiefs in the neighboring communities come in as once it does arrive once they do get integrated into the into the regional dispatch there will be a payment into a fund to reimburse them at some level for the technology so that will be a shared cost across all the communities who will at that point be using it in the meantime they will be testing it  real time testing it when they acquire it and again expertise and how it's used o right thank you so the only thing i just i'm sure it's still to be discussed but if a community disagrees with the budget they can just provide a written statement what points they disagree with to submit a written statement of the points they disagree with right but they still enact the budget so that they can they can protest but it won't have necessarily an impact i think the board would consider the rationale behind the protest and understand if it's valid and whether anything can be done to affect the concerns of a member community but in the end the board will will have to use it shut you want to pass to prove it's budget and  d if you want to get if you want to continue to get dispatched services you'll have to pay the fee there is a mechanism to get out over time and so i asked about the infrastructure everybody who's involved in this believes that this is going to be higher quality service better work environment for our employees long term savings to the communities and better for all of our residents and so if you can find something that works better than that it would be unlikely because the piece up and shelburne ring in the piece up into this is is vital back into session so again burlington city council meeting august seventh and we're back in session taking up item fourteen which is considering possibly act upon a joint resolution calling for regional governance of burlington international airport and councillor chittenden like to speak to that so i didn't prepare my remarks i've already given a lot of little speeches i think i've made my case in the other paper and in previous meetings and to anybody that will sit down and have a cup of coffee with me on this topic we've been talking about this for about six months but this topic spent around for a long time this is been around for decades just as recently as two thousand and thirteen a special committee was formed with twelve members very informed individual c e o s of u s airways jet blue's jet blue general manager u s department of transportation sandy miller was on the committee until pam mckenzie replace him they don't go into this topic they hired a consulting firm for going to so see it's and they evaluated for options for governance for the burlington international airport and they get off this committee and those are all specific to be i say they left this committee of twelve informed individuals to evaluate those options and that committee recommended to the burlington city council to to explore the formation of a regional authority to address the issues that we've been wrestling with i don't think that the airport is broken but i think the governance is not perfect i think there's a better way to govern an airport i think the problems of manifest in the forms of conflict and legal lawsuits i could go through the list home demolitions home acquisitions f thirty five dog parks property values there is a constant set of conflicts that happen between the airport in the city of south burlington because the city of burlington owns this major piece of critical transpiration haitian infrastructure and another municipality that configuration predates the modern aviation industry since one nine hundred forty eight the city of burlington residents have not paid into that airport i just argue that they are that they are not owners so they don't have claim to ownership over that parcel of land because it's been self sufficient sel funded through generated revenues and federal and state tax dollars so they shouldn't be making all the decisions over that use of our public airspace i've asked to have this be brought back i know the process isn't perfect as in a perfect process  we want wanted to change and alter the resolution i'm not opposed to that all i'm looking for is to just continue this conversation to take action on the recommendation that was made to the burlington city council four years ago to explore this regional authority to give south growing burlington residents a true say in the long term strategic decisions made by this critical piece of transportation infrastructure that's all i'm trying to achieve i just want to move this conversation forward to to work off that recommendation and passage of this resolution that honestly doesn't have much teeth were asking for something to occur all this does is further the conversation down the road and all it says is that we the city of south burlington want to say and the decisions over how our public air space are used in order to serve air traffic both today and going forward into the next few decades that was off the cuff practice first the process that we were told we would have three weeks ago is that we would have a special meeting where we could actually look at this document together offer amendments discuss the pros and cons of the different lines on friday i found out that there's no special meeting we're just faced with the same document again and we have a half hour and i don't see how we're going to follow the process that we were told we were going to have heard side of the would have as a group three weeks ago so i am disappointed in that because i think this document has a lot of errors in it  and also i think that like you say this is a rare occurrence for one municipality to own an airport in another municipality and in fact for months statute as george mealy and james lease was brought forward along with made a townsend's help it provides a way for south burlington to actually have joint ownership of the airport and i would propose that that is the most in our interest when we look at the union for the dispatcher for the public safety we're looking at a problem to solve we're looking at perhaps cutting costs down through expanding eventually to public safety or looking at the pros something that is there to solve a specific problem the problem is you have laid it out concerts and i do not find based on solid facts i found it but find it based on conjecture and just for instance i do not see how shelburne and asics are more directly impacted by the aircraft coming out of the airport than burlington is i really don't understand that statement i find it to be erroneous also when it just kind of hit on some of them when we look at the number of them plame and that have gone down i think that  it has to be taken in consideration what's happened over the border at the pierre trudeau airport where you have not only fees that have been removed in a way to keep air  costs down for the local traveler you also have the canadian dollar which is no longer as advantageous as it was back then and so we have these international monetary movements that have had more impact on the number of in play ment's from these the hoback passenger base than any governance body could change so i find that to be very faulty reasoning with regard to what this regional governance could achieve and because of this i would say accelerated timetable that we're on especially since now six hundred communities are looking  at a document that we have not even gone through carefully and i find that to be also a faulty process i would say well if there are enough councilors to pass this without us really having the time to go through it i have a lot of changes i would like to put forward another error is that their top recommendation that two thousand and twelve two thousand and thirteen study was for the airport commission to have actual  power with regard to hiring the airport director that was the first recommendation the fourth recommendation was studying a potential governance structure that would include more regional representation but it was not by far the top priority in fact looking through those documents that our previous airport commissioner sent to me and i i don't know if you got them from somewhere else but i forwarded them all to all of you is that what burlington would expect and really if it were to move to regional governance is that not only would they be reimbursed for a share and that figure is not offered in the documents but that each community would should be prepared to have some kind of fund set aside just in case the airport needs to have some buffer and that's what burlington does so it does require according to this consultant it requires some kind of financial obligation on the part of the partners who are joined in this regional governance structure so those errors aside what i would say is that if the three of you that are perhaps poised to push this through would consider i would like to have at least have those errors dealt with tonight but also have south burlington's interest put more in the foreground where we would like to jointly own the airport so we could have a governess structure we could have an airport commission where we would have representatives from the county but that the governance structure would be headed the hierarchy would be self rolling to in burlington as the joint owners of the airport and that we would put into our charter language that would give us the power to impose fees and i think that is within our federal rights as well so i would like south burlington in this body representing the interests of south going to residents not to advocate the power that they currently have and that i believe two of our residents have really put on the table here before us is there for the taking but to embrace those opportunities that are there and certainly include the regional interests i've never been opposed to that but i would not put our interests in the backseat and the regional interests in the front seat so that's my two cents ok i have more of a declarative statement but prior to that i would like to say i agree with a number of things that meghan has said i may not agree with all of it but that would not be unusual but i have to say that i could not be voting in favor of the resolution tonight for a number of reasons in its current form i feel also that  is it hasn't been fleshed out enough within our council you may say that we have been talking for six months come you have been talking about it for six months and i don't think there's any question even when we ran for office that this was not a priority for me i feel that we have far more productive ways to engage the airport the city of burlington and state officials if needed than this resolution you know over the past several years south burlington city council is written resolutions as a form of communication or dissatisfaction for issues within the community in the region and the resolutions unfortunately really have no in force meant property or legal value and may serve to and have either antagonized or irritated relations with other communities the community leaders so putting that aside i look and say that  i sit on the airport commission as your representative and i bring a lot of things and have especially after our conversations with this but i feel that the burlington international airport and i think it will all agree is a great economic engine for the region and for the state i happen to feel that is well and most out of that i've seen indicates a strong performance for an airport of its size it's considered small but it is the hundred  hundred eleventh in size of an plane lands of more than fourteen hundred airports at the f a a controls throughout the country i'm more interested in getting sound mitigation because that's what we're looking for and whether it is through and i believe that we can have it through a constructive manner by building good positive relations with the airport on the f a a specifically the  programs that are coming out and the usa does want us to be involved and to talk about what we would like to see from mitigation efforts i look at this and say i think this is where we come in and we hammer on them for the school to mitigate the sound at the school as one of the priorities in there i'm not saying that berms are be shown that they it is limiting