then if the answer is yes to both of those then it's how much you want to pay for and i think the problem for three d three d right now is it's kind of an edge market i mean it is something that will draw people to the theaters but and i think there will continue to be some form of three d and cedars but it seems like for the home use that the reception for it is very lukewarm people will say wow if i'm buying a t v an account with three d then then that's you know that's why the people aren't actively going out to do it and that's i think a problem for for three d and i mean really the only reason three d used even being put into television is because and one other way for people to buy t v s and when the digital transition happened a lot of people when i bought a flat panels which was like that but now we need another reason for people to go out and buy it but i just i i don't see where it's ever going to become big enough that was the novelty of that you're seeing the big three d thing i'm slowly seeing that it is dying off and it's the fact not necessarily that i don't want to see the movie in three d i don't want to see certain movies and three d images if one is that is that the quality of the content that's the problem is not right with three d exactly exactly where you had avatar was a movie that was saying we are absolutely doing this in three d and this is our reason for doing this in three d we had a strong script behind it now we're seeing movies this is talk about this yesterday let's turn this into three d so we can make we can charge for actual dollars for the ticket price whereas it's not traditional i mean it's not the real kind of three d there's no need for other than the gimmick side of it but i think that's we're falling into that crowd or spirit people that love three d like that gimmick and they don't like that it adds anything to the story that you're going to see i think it has to come to some kind of common ground and that if they want to survive in the theater because that is essentially what it is i mean we've had you had three d for hundreds of years and i mean not even is and that's why it's called play i mean if i want to see three d as far as a story i can go see a play i can go see an actual three dimensional people right off or glasses whereas when we're seeing in theaters now it's not adding anything to it it's just the same things the gimmick of it that works great i vividly remember when i was in second grade i went to display for all the three d shows they had there they have your three dimensional and they also had the extra aspect of the bring you into it seeing the muppets they would shoot things at the screen and shoot  seen in this recent zero nothing ice and it's really it's been just a matter of i don't know if three d is not something that is necessarily appealed to me and it's not movie and especially if it's going to pull you out of the movie at any point in time i know there's a big discussion about the old three d of things coming out at you and now this new version of three d is about adding layers and depth to the shot which is more interesting but still can look at to give the illusion of depth on the kind of moviegoer that i want to look at everything i want to have this huge on screen i don't want to share the view staring at ryan's face the entire time i want to be able to look all th avatar in the theater and in fact i'm a little embarrassed to say this i've only seen it on d v d and it was a snooze fest for me and i i hate to say that it's a harsh way to put it but it was a cool movie making experience that the movie just was not there i mean it was and i'll use this hackneyed phrase to pocahontas with the people kind but to add to that i saw how to train your dragon you seen the film brilliant it's a brilliant film it's a great children's film and i once saw three d but it was pretty damn spectacular it was because it was a great film first that had three  with it and i think for this genre to succeed you have to find that and unfortunately fortunately it's this big fad right now where movies that aren't too good twenty million something and then when internationally me right now they're making a sequel which is cheaper probably from here i mean i'm still a fan of the old clash the titans who want to get way off topic but for that  succeed in that format to succeed you have to have people that are willing to go back to a good movie just something that's sad because avatar made eight hundred julian dollars and whatever because it was a fad it was interesting it was new and not particularly a great film i have that sense or feel that these avatar sequels that are still languishing in development of nightmare i have a perception that there's a feeling that he's got to do something great or move that format on top of the go back to it because i've seen piles of three d movies and skipped on three d lately how to train your don't know  perhaps at the same time i think the fact that how to train your dragon it is just a great film i mean when you look at it in a realistic sense if you take that perspective clash of the titans is a animated film as well for a lot of these things to have that story dimensionality and i think any film  animated so i wouldn't put that as much of the actor as the telling of the film the expertise of the films the storytelling of the movies so i think up with that first you know the problem is i mean if you look at all films that come out in a given year i mean what small percentage of them are good films and then that subset how many lend themselves to three d so you're only looking at potentially a couple movies that come out a year that are probably good movies that the three d and i just don't know if to for an issue to shift that one's attempt to shift more towards a fad like that i mean you know these two are probably too young but i'm sure you remember us growing up in virtual reality that was going to be it you know you're going to wear gloves goggles you never have to take a vacation again your example goggles on and you're going to go anywhere you want and virtual reality and they said oh you know people go into surgery you know remotely and all this kind of stuff and that was just such a small subset of things and the problem with three d and this is eventually going into the home side of it is do you want to dedicate so much technology so much effort so much  you know money towards something that is a fact such a small percentage of obviously we're never going to see the day when everything is in three d which is never going to have even in the futuristic world of people thinking of holographic ideas i'd that movie going experience is always going to be on the screen you know probably i mean i would have said i'd never see another silent movie at the same time this year one of the most acclaimed films is a silent film i mean black and white films and it's in black and white and even with that throwback to the sound of the film i think in order for three d to someone succeed or try t prolong the success in the movie industry you sort of have to go back to sleep or science and let's go back to the roots where as people used to go to movies for the spectacle of it it was something that you couldn't get anywhere else whereas now we have a television set sort of dumb that sensation down to us but you make it that event just a case in point i know it's a terrible film but i loved the movie going experience with snakes on a plane terrible film they have built this up to be this joking to be this kind of party thing it's something that you couldn't get anywhere you're only going to have that experience in the theater just the more i was thinking about as you're talking about avatar as i watched it again at home this kind of things i still do enjoy the film but at the same time i think i enjoyed it so much because this is james cameron coming back this was this whole big specter you have to see this movie was this many years in the making it built it up so much to the point where you were gone this the theater was packed everything was there it was more of a spectacle than you were just watching the traditional movie that you do every week and it's a thing  it is a bad movie you label alongside a two dimensional movie basically in the same kind of plot or whatever i mean there's obviously something that that's going to as you said there's there's an event aspect to it you're you're going out you're willing to pay a few extra bucks and in the theater to to experience that but i have to imagine at some point in time and probably very quickly i mean we're already seeing that there's not a lot of three stuff coming out that after you've done it once or twice you like a that's great you know and then that's it with three d to i don't know if i agree with that yet but i'm looking at this i mean we're looking at this in february and this is not a time for filmmaking or big releases  last summer i mean how many three d movies were out there films that you didn't say oh my gosh this is a three d movie it was just a movie that there were hundreds of millions of dollars pumped into and there was no doubt of recuperating that  captain america you've got you know two hundred dollars film two hundred million dollars film it's going to make five hundred million dollars or three hundred million dollars or whatever and it's going to sell a billion blu rays and blu ray three days and whatever that's coming back transformers what else and three  last summer you know such a terrible movie maker but but all of those event films those hundreds of million dollar films were in three d i think with only one exception i can think of that's accident which funnily enough i know the three that's that's kind of interesting because the award films are typically that's the movie market and those are the people that try to act like they're the pioneers of the technology and if there are ready straying away from in a sense  t they shied away from computer graphics that's not gone away they shied away from for the most part but i think computer graphics in the forefront kind of explosions action flick but blowing things up disaster movies i mean these are these are you know staples seventy to eighty ninety's today and those award ceremony movies stayed with great acting and great filmmakers the people still shoot on film right right now right i mean you don't those awards movies for every great film there are twenty fifth the hundred slipshod events or ignored things places where you know my history of my left foot is made for you know a couple hundred thousand dollars and becomes this event film because it's great and twenty thirty fifty others just are forgotten so they don't tiny directors who maybe don't have something like that are going to jump into some disaster film more computer graphics or computer generated animation they just don't have the backing for they have to rely on the stuff that's there the stuff that's changed and readily available at the same time doesn't that sort of limit through the world because only to have skin do that only the people that had the huge backing it's not something that every film maker and i'm not going through half a million dollars or a way to make a film if you don't have any kind of proven backing i can do that as a studio once maybe twice a year so you can only have i don't know see i'm looking at this three filmmaking being a slower acceptance and something like digital because there isn't a giant market for it but just because it wasn't accepted as fast as  d or even blu ray for extended i mean i don't know i don't know where it's going to be but i don't think it's going away this time i think there's too much in it and they've had too much of a taste of success i mean you guys probably don't remember the eighty's three or surgeons do i don't know i do a little bit there was a mid eighty's flame sure of that and that was in the home market i mean there were i can remember going to cocos in western clothes at cogs in a little stop shop places to pick up my three d glasses to watch creature from the black lagoon in the three d and my house and it was horrendous it was terrible but there were eight ten twelve home shown movies and there were fifty three d movies in the theaters that were all horrendous and that cycled it was probably much smaller in the fifty's one but it went away and it came back again and i think it's too easy in a clash of the titans kind of thing to throw a little bit of time into it with one in an editing suite and make thirty forty million more dollars for a fifty thousand dollar expenditure for an authentic kind of film to go away do i think we're going to see the godfather released in three d now it's not going to happen but star wars is back in three d print is the raiders the lost ark next is no trying to think of a smaller type film like that but i don't know if those big films necessarily that the industry is going to accept it as it's going to branch out beyond that and that's the i think you know possibly the death knell for three d is that it's going to be this super popular you know high budget popcorn film for the most part that's going to that's going to have the three d treatment and then you know if if two percent of the films coming out are three d and everett you know ninety eight percent are not and i i just you know you're saying much with the godfather i mean there's just there's most movies that are made do not lend themselves to three d nor will they ever lend themselves to three d and so you know is something going to come along that's going to eclipse three days and something new something different it takes a big budget film in order to push through these technologies but i just don't see where as digital made sense people all across the board are now shifting to jail because it's cheap it's inexpensive if you reduce crew sizes you don't need as much lighting and all this kind of stuff and it's really put digitals really put is into the hands of the filmmaker whereas three d seems like it's so much more complicated so much more technically challenging for a filmmaker to do that you're not going to have a lot of young filmmakers come out and attempt three d because they're just learning how to make films and they're just trying to get started so it's going to be this small group of established directors rejecting three d because i think what will happen is yes eventually an off clash of the titans come out people say why my pan actor for five ten bucks whatever you go see this this film but i think what will probably be more of the killer of three eventually is that they'll just move on to something else you know the big next directors are just going to say ok this is this is the you know they're always trying to stay on top and you know three d was the leading edge here here here and a half ago two years ago  not definitely but now they're going to be looking ok what's the next thing that's come along where are we going to jump next because they want to seem like they're the consummate cutting edge and that they're they're jumping and so it's interesting i think that really since three d does not it's not an empowering technology it's not a technology that is for everybody it's not a technology that can be a good again like i said then you know you can go across the board every single phone can be shot in digital every single film can have some form of c g i i mean even some about oscar film  stance narrow form of filmmaking that i think that i just can't see that it has much life yes it'll come back again in twenty years as the always on your new technology but i personally think this this trend is probably only got a couple years shelf life and then it will i'm going to agree and disagree using the same argument because it is cheap or because it's becoming cheaper or was mass used and you can throw it in a clash of the titans i think that ease of it is going to make it more acceptable or more varied or more readily available to people and i think you are going to start seeing more subtle uses of it in some things but i also think that the steps that this is making with trickery when those glasses are gone people are going to throw in again and you're seeing little bits of it with the unintended three d s which i know is trickery i know it's not quote unquote real three d again but that small step for us by the way but it's cool it's trickery but at the same time when that technology or jump start being made without the glasses i think that's going to bring those people back in again the fact that you can do subtle things with it and and i understand you have to have more people there but the fact that you can make those quick shifts and do something in the post filmmaking kind of things you will see somebody doing in a benjamin button kind of thing on a film where you do those subtle depths to it those george lucas kinds of things i don't and i made all these measurements and did all the stuff to make the depth to it  you're going to start seeing that more on the home market more the people have said well if we want to shift to the home market you know i think that i see i see three d as not having much of a future in home television viewing and the reason for that is i mean always we all agree glasses have to go is the only ways that are going to is ever going to fly and the problem with glasses going is that with a computer with a laptop with a gaming system whatever there's a one person you should use and usually and it's a pretty set distance even in a movie theater that could easily obviously but they could come up i mean the seats are bolted from the floor you can just sit wherever you want they know exactly where people are whereas in a t v environment at home you know the four of us are sitting around watching t v in a lodge or maybe sitting on the couch and and derek may be off on the side of the chair you may be sitting on the floor and be in the kitchen making a snack or something and way off yes i make sense but we call it it can't just be that we have to be able to see through either you see three d or it can't be something where you can't see anything and i think the problem right now with three d is if you go glass glasses less they come up with two different basic technologies one is to give multiple perspectives out of the one so you know i think the latest one is like there's nine different perspectives and it covers most of the places but either you have to sit where the t v tells us hit or the t v s and know where you are and both of those are very impractical i think for you are but the problem with something like connect is they're already having problems with skin tone certain skin tones the camera can't see and secondly while some people probably do gaming in the dark but when you watch a movie for the most part  you're sitting silent in one spot or whatever and it's dark and for the camera to be able to pick that up and make of adjustments i think is going to be a difficult hurdle to go over and then beyond that i think you know  there's the next big thing in t v s is already here already coming in that smart televisions i mean that is pretty much by the end of this year and going into next year you know you're not going to buy a television does not have internet connection you're not going to buy a television that doesn't have applications  it and the question becomes how much effort do these manufacturers want to put into three d something that is never going to go across the board i mean you might have a three d channel but at some point they're going to say well you know we're putting this money in the technology into this but we really want to go into the smart television aspect of it and rather than driving the price up or whatever i think it's going to get pushed out the door on its own because of because of that and i think the experience of three d for like a gamer they don't care you know you put glasses on strap on your arm you know do whatever wear whatever people don't care because they're making that that adjustment but for somebody to just sit down and watch a show to have to even think about where they're going where or whether sitting idle or to wear something which again i think that the glasses it's not something that's people are going to want and because it's a very when people are looking to buy television sets and i know it's a big surprise watching a good show about home theater installations and this guy and these are these are techno geeks i mean these are people who are so so interested in all the the people who should be would be leading the charge of of three d i think three d s got a future in gaming definitely i think it's got to take the future in personal experience a computer of tablet a cellphone because you have that easy use where you don't have to have this complicated technology basically says hey you're you're roughly every roughly twelve inches away from the screen and so i know that to me i think a big untapped market for three d would be e commerce and i think that that is something that people would be looking to explore because i imagine for instance an amazon store where you could actually three dimensionally look at items compare items and if you've got a three d and three hundred sixty degree it would be kind of an amazing experience to be able to and i think that would help in the shopping experience when you're comparing items when you want to kind of see what an item looks like right now if you think about it and on as a kind of an odd thing because you're buying based off of a picture or based off of your views are based off of and and the worst case is specifications and i know buying stuff for the the station half of time the specs are wrong with it because when you're on a piece of electronic equipment you're interested in what are the connections on this piece of equipment and that composite component as it starts is b c b n c whatever and a three d world in a three hundred  sixty degree three d world to be able to just spin a device around and look at it right now you have a lot of three d and for instance phone via phone online they do two dimensional but three hundred sixty degree turning and if you could suddenly bring that into the third dimension i think that i think that there is a big untapped market for the e commerce side i think that or anybody imagine you can put something up and people can actually manipulate and