opportunity to extend our time for at least a couple more meetings so that we can refine the our last inputs into the plan so i'd like to let me just start by  introducing the planning staff that's here today we've got pam over here mary jorgensen jan maidens here and i think that's the extent of the staff here today the plan we need to go through and check to make sure that they're accurately reflect our comments but i would like to just take a moment to thank the planning department for taking the time to put this  draft plan together because it couldn't have been easy task to take all those hours and hours and hours of meetings and all those comments and try to get it all right and and to put it all in a format that  is easy to read and easy for us to understand so i think we all had an opportunity to look through it and really reflect back on what we've done since day one and we really have done a lot from the time that we started also i think that you know i gained a much i guess better appreciation for all the things that the county does on our behalf because when you get intimately involved in this process it's really   broad scale of different services that they offer to this community and i think that we all take those services for granted each and every day but it's quite extensive it's a daunting task they have and and we're just happy to be play a little tiny role in this whole process before we get started i know there's members of the community here that i'd like to thank for attending but they might want to provide testimony at this point because some have indicated that they needed to to get going to some other places i'm going to open up for public testimony so there's anybody that wants to provide testimony care and if you want to yeah you can be whoever you want let me just you know just do your best to be respectful you have to talk right into it ok thank you and i will attempt to be respectful and quick i submitted this in writing already i just wanted to briefly summarize each of the comments that i made and i would echo steve thanks to especially to you folks there to do this because this is not been an easy process for those of you who've been at the table as volunteers and i hope our community appreciates that  and the planning staff did a really really an exhaustive job of trying to put everything down on paper and that's not easy so sustainability is the first concern that i have that word was rejected from the text and replaced with abundant and this seems like a small point but i did actually explain in my paragraph why at least to me it's important abundance implies that there's more than enough to go around for everybody sustainability on the other hand implies that you're trying to use your resources in a way that does not exhaust them and that was a small change and certainly the concept of sustainability is repeatedly emphasized throughout the plan but in a couple of the sections i noticed that one word had switched in especially with respect to the economy because i think our global war right now is on whether or not the species can survive if we just keep using everything because money is is the ruling value for our global economy and i think people fought very hard to try to make sure that the concept of sustainability is honored and i was i was not  pleased to see it replaced with abundance second thing water i had actually testified to this at an earlier meeting but there's nothing that i can find and i apologize if i was unable to find it i only was able to find a look at the draft today  there's nothing that i can find about the illegal water use for sending water down to the west and as far as i know still doesn't have a permit and as far as i know the the transport of water through the  irrigation system is still also illegal because there's no contract for it this is a very arid island and we need to be careful about our water resources and the government not the county but the state has a responsibility to make sure that these things that regulations are forced and they're not and so at the county level from the people who live here i would really like to see something in this plan saying that those illegal uses should be put through the property proper regulatory paces and hopefully either legalized or regulated so that they're not squandering resources from one part of the island on the driest part of secondly in stream flow standards are supposed to be set by law for all streams in hawaii and they have not been set for although i believe that the commission on water resource management has been requested to do this why is this important because diversions of streams above at least five of our own have the water to those and there are endangered species that live in the streams there are aquatic animals that need the fresh water and you know to have this done already is not good and i would hope that the plan could speak to the need for this to happen and in addition historic and cultural sites i've been trying for the last few days along with  david kelly to help the planning staff to prepare a little bit more information so that the right to the community and the government and everybody else all have enough information about the historic research so that nothing more is distorted and hopefully some of it can be protected and i will not belabor that because i noticed in the new draft that it says that that stuff is coming  people talking about this about its potential impacts on the existing town of model law because if you have commercial uses next door and they get to be built subdivision then i'm not sure whether that means that the zoning where you want to try to reintegrate a resident population and to commercial areas well look it's a rural area and actually that's already done across the island despite the lack of that zoning specific zoning type so i am concerned help the community get this thing prepared it was a purely volunteer effort this was the first community plan and so the eastern community took the ball and ran with it and there really was no county staff involvement that i can recall it was purely an effort that was mounted by the community and the result was purely the community's input i know that it doesn't have the force of law it never has some of the things that were in that plan like an eastern fire station were actually accomplished but it's kind of an heirloom because the coupon of that that existed then are gone now and they had substantial input into this process of the value system that you see in that east and policy statement in my opinion is really important for the broader community and i do hope that it can at least be preserved as an heirloom in the appendix to the committee plan so sorry if that was more than three minutes but thank you for your patien movement of water to the west end is totally legal there's no agreement there's no allotment of water formal care ranch on west small cry by the commission no water resource management there with some of the department of health issues when more correct was going to abandon the domestic water system but it's kind of it was kind of it's just been a avoided i guess the state is avoiding their responsibilities in taking action on this issue right thank you glenn i think they will take a look at that when we get to that i think it's in chapter eight or eight every so we'll take a look at that there is any other members of the public that would like to provide seventh meeting summary so if you could look through there and if there's anything in there that you feel needs to be corrected now would be the time to do that so i want to ask if it's allowable to just leave that written submission and then not have to state it for the record to the sake of time are those corrections on that particular date  want to have put in there is that what you're correct here i have it i have a corrections for the august twenty seventh september second september third september seventeenth meetings ok if there's no objection from anyone else here on the c pack then we can go ahead and we can submit those as corrections anybody have any objections to what greg has submitted for the twenty seventh or c no objections is there anybody else i want to make any changes on the twenty seventh of august right see in the not all go ahead and entertain a motion to accept those minutes as amended to make a motion on that robert thank you as anybody second that any second on august twenty seventh all right thank you for that so we have first and second unanimously can we have find explain what happens ok we have seven members so unless somebody votes no that it's it passes that correct robert ok that correction is so noted and pardon my admission any objection to adding that to your motion nine you still second that ok you further discussion chair i wasn't at the meeting ok so i don't know if i'm going to abstain or you can just not vote just not ok all right so all those in favor  chair submitted my corrections in writing i'd like the committee members take a look at those those corrections submitted by great i'll entertain a motion to accept the minutes as they've been amended anybody want to make a motion for september second approval of those minutes thank you and second on that thank you any further discussion see no further discussion all those in favor raise their right hand planning department to get the account ok thank you so that motion passes we can move on to september third once again it looks like great you've got corrections in writing submitted to this group and we can review those under the seat page five chapter land use maps developments also in conoco quite well what it was what during the process of subdividing land and by doing so lots are going to be freed up in conical chi other areas where homestead holy war and i guess holy was the main one right now yes yes so out of actually free up some lots homes homes members so you know the exact number i don't know i mean easy hundred i think maybe more if you come on a lot in one of the probably three hundred maybe more than one hundred forty acre lots of think those  accurately reflect the minutes from a meeting and we can clarify this when we get to that particular chapter so glen's made a clarification to the minutes and i think greg submitted his anybody else have any  anybody else any corrections they were on september third there's no further corrections of these minutes or it entertain a motion to accept as amended or you like to make kate thank you member motion passes got two more of these to go through one is september sixteenth and anybody else have any corrections for that date september sixteenth  if not i would entertain a motion to accept the minutes as presented with just the meeting number or the media amber will remain in one thousand john ok think you've got ok thank you members for that we've got one last housekeeping item here that we have to go through and that would be for september seventeenth where we noted that it would be meeting number twenty so i think a great you have submitted written changes which we have  so greg has submitted some amendments to these minutes is there anybody else that wants to make any changes just a typo big five public testimony the last word crowding all right thank you members with that we have an opportunity to take a look at this draft plan is it i had said earlier we've come a long way since day one it really puts things in better perspective when you get to look at it like this and read through it intact you can really kind of see what we've developed and see areas where we need to maybe make some improvements  unless there's any other comments we'll just start with this plan starting with chapter one chair specific to the agenda for today october twenty first and under item d with the chapters listed  that does not correspond exactly at the table of contents in our new draft so can we discuss it real quick before we move forward sure go ahead ok so on the table of contents on page i  the list of chapters five six and seven are in actually different order numerically in the list of the table of contents and they actually exist in the document so land use and housing is actually chapter six community design is chapter seven in economic development is chapter five thank you for that correction i think the planning department is duly noted that katie thing also on the  table of contents or pendency pages if not will just start on page one dash one and go on from there  if anybody have any questions or any comments i'd like to make on page one dash one oh you're lying twenty three a strong desire to be part of the global economy is this true here but do we have a strong desire to be part of a global economy sustain about a strong desire to be sustainable i think that's beneficial they have in the does anybody want to keep that in their part of the global economy if you want to keep that in there i believe i believe that we we came up with this is a group to try to go overcome the self reliant part  know maybe we should just vote on it because we're kind of in the middle on a chair yeah i also highlighted that and i was kind of wondering where we got that we might have discussed that we discussed a lot of things but this is the first time we're going to see it in the context in its entirety so i think there's going to be a lot of places like this where things that we came up with are going to be in parts that maybe wasn't best suited to be there i feel the introduction is one of the most important parts of this plan as it is any executive s i'm putting that up in the front row so i am uncomfortable with having that in there i'm not uncomfortable at having it in other parts of the economy and education and where i think we did discuss it you know i think it's you know to me to be part of the global economy is an ok thing but we preface that with the words we have a strong desire which means it's one of our priorities to really get you this global economy and that's not really the case you know we're subsistence lifestyle so it's a little bit maybe off the beaten track anybody else having comments and i think if i see that we're divided perhaps we should take a vote on it and move forward ok let's just do that  priorities should be i haven't heard that from my community so i cannot support that ok did you want to make a motion now i thought it was a kid strike that as commissioner  ok and take out any kind of a strong desire to be sustainable take that out to chair yeah so the original language as we can see so it's not confusing was to be more self reliant and sustainable so are we are we ok with the original language ok could you read that one more time what it originally said in our prior draft it was to be more self reliant and sustainable which is also decayed here with what was struck out so are we ok with that prior  suggested and just ending it at expected back period ok so we have a motion is that motion seconded ok john a second it is a discussion on those all those in favor razor right hand to so that does not pass we have six for three against what is your tally on that so ok motion fails so we'll just keep that as it is i'd like to just acknowledge we have our value county council member here stacy is here so thank you very much she also indicated that we have a test fire they want to testify and needs to get going is that right so can we make this time available unless there's any objection make time available now to hear that testimony all right so allow testimony at this  we can at least put in when we quest for service on stuff like that at the county and the state level to hear let me let me answer your question who is responsible as far as issuing a permit we all know is a planning department with the county that the of knowing what sites historical sites on the property should be who do you think should be responsible for  that for people who sell it so we're trying to figure out who is responsible to let the land owners know what's on the property once the land owner knows and i think it should be a community thing to i don't think it be a problem if any of us which i've done in the past to one homeowner you know when i was a kid have one you know whatever you know you just see and not not cut down the mango tree because this might kill a mango you know especially neighbors close by i think we can have that kind of relationship but to disagree is none of us sitting on this committee are for just the creation you know or removing of easy which is a big big offense so what you're saying is heavy duty stuff but getting back to who's responsible ultimately it's the land owner but it's a partnership to we need to educate these people these people cover them ala don't know they don't know not to they're just buying they're just buying a piece of property to build one house so i think we as people who live we are responsible to to educate people ok the reason why i stayed in the county this is it's documented it's all documented  my mom and dad put in one protest called the state historical preservation and it should be documented so no there's no excuses there should be somebody held accountable if it's already document thank you very much for taking the time to come in and and speak to us and so now it's on record so i'm sure that it will get noticed so with that said going back to where we were in the plan does anybody ever have any other motions or you just want to let it go at that having that word it is it is saying that we have a strong desire to be part of the global economy it which changes and a desire to be part of the global economy and sustainable so i have a motion second  discussion on that all in favor of that motion raise your right hand ok so it looks like that motion passes so just we'll just take out the word strong anything else on page one starts and we put in you know but in spite of these a limited economy partially due to the island's remote location small population base and strong control by a few major land owners  we validate that as the reasons for why we have a limited and i asked to define limited economy is because we have control by a few major land owners and a small population beast yeah that's my question i'm asking a question and i'm asking to define a limited to say partially do so there's a whole lot of reasons and those are just some of them well you know what i in my introduction i just don't want to get to being pigeonholed into into something because i'll be really honest i read a lot of plans and i go straight to the introduction and i go straight to the executive  get a sense of what the document is the power and that's why i have really strong feelings about the introduction so we're talking about our western for profit economy here when we say we have a limited economy but in the second paragraph we only get skated over our second economy which is our subsistence economy which is in the second paragraph someplace in this document i want to clearly convey that we do have two economies because we we've heard to it time and time again about subsistence and how valuable it is to protect our resources in hunting and fishing so in this we have in the second paragraph we say a subsistence lifestyle while it's not on your lifestyle it is our second economy we barter reach raid and we subsist and to me that's a second economy and now we're going right into our saying that we have a limited economy due to a small population control which they do if we put in the word important that would balance out the limited life case anybody object to put an important in there in the second paragraph yes line thirteen yeah also play an important role in the island economy ok so if anybody else has unless somebody has something else on the first page we don't get you get some chairs a result of this last discussion that kind of want to go back to our prior vote just just for discussion purposes one more time on line twenty three and four  i concur with laurie that you know that subsistence and bartering is our second economy minutes it's good and i also agree with the emphasis of importance when i look at twenty three and the prior langu use of be part of the global economy independent of that it's we used to have more self reliant and i think that's very important for more guy to be more self reliant we can just look at the hazards chapter and identify why we need to be more self reliant and not dependent upon other islands or outside resources because they're not going to come so the antithesis of more self reliant is is it mean more reliant on someone else i don't think that's consistent with what where are the communities moving and secondly sustainable if we go back to the discussion about subsistence and bartering and we look at a look at that and you say well it ever so systems that were we're performing we're doing it in a sustainable way that would include our natural resources and agriculture so i'm just i'm a little confused why we moved away from becoming more self reliant and more  sustainable i don't think we moved away from there you know we state that we are we do have it is i or to be sustainable and whether we like it or not we're part of the global economy we don't make cars here you know we don't have our hospitals in our all the doctors here we don't have much of anything we don't you know we are part of the global economy whether it's our desire to or not managed by the national park service maybe we should make any sense we could put like is managed ok and i just asked if that was true that's from my own because i don't think we have any of this ignition anywhere else but it goes on to say that hotel molokai shores offer a limited visitor accommodation but we don't mention anything about vacation rentals or any other type of accommodations there i know it's just an and how they are moving to designate the t v are areas as resort areas where you can have t v hours in resort areas we didn't do any resort planning in this community plan so i don't know if it's if it's we should have some discussion or something with here to mention about vacation rentals and i think it's just an overview i mean i think given that more detail in the economic development section or something like that otherwise we'll never get out of the overview if we get into too much detail and the flora and fauna i know we discussed this in here and it says it's the state's longest white sand beaches i thought it was mentioned that it was  the world's longest uninterrupted white sand beach and that was in the guinness book of world records as the longest uninterrupted white sand beach that's what somebody told parking sensors about seven miles if not more so i'm just wondering where that data from yeah laurie i mean you can come up with documentation to support something being different then you could chair one more consideration for that would be a no bullet kind of still want to stick in there the importance of subsistence and gathering so if here for fishing and hunting and that it's still abundant and it supports our subsistence economy and the reason why i kind of want to keep on inserting that truck the plan is because these plans are used as funding mechanisms so when we talking about trying to get money for forest restoration and fighting invasive species and all that kind of stuff they always go back to the plan so we can  the plans and use this type of language to trigger for future funds especially under climate change because climate change and dwindling resources go hand in  but it seems more like a demographic thing you know flora and fauna it's basically describing the demographic of the people  and i think if we make if we make it that way then maybe we can even incorporate a subsistence into that you know because that's part of the last part of it yeah you know so were we what fish and wildlife service ok i'm just calling it out this is the kind of language you need in a plan when you're going for monies from the federal government for protected species and whatever so if under one two three four feet tall it where it starts the nature conservancy i am proposing to strike the nature conservancy preserve in the me preserve and in and insert island and then can add something else that's what i'm proposing right now i think so i mean i think so yeah ok ok did you want to listen anything else because it's got this kind of short list of stuff there i mean welcome and something else on the list on one dash five i'll just reiterate my statement i'm always telling you guys that it's a little bit ambiguous process this community plan draft update because you talk about the draft plan is that sent along with any plan department comments and you don't really say who is draft plan is that is that pax draft plan or is that back but right is a cap and the county's draft plan but this is a body that is supposed to make revisions to the draft plan is there other bodies are supposed to make revisions either one four one five one six ok that's all right i have save the questions for the implementation people later when we actually have the implementation people ok one seven and we use a lot like on page one seven you read through this and we're discussing that we're discussing this i mean i would just as my preference like worse as chapter five discusses i mean i would say addresses maybe because there's really no discussion yeah you can use your own judgment on how many times you want to stick that in there ok one dash eight problems and opportunities chair yeah so i know i'm not paid one dash even or problems four i just tried to look go see if we summarize any of it i really didn't so my my proposal would be to the last sentence on line twenty nine thirty horses this creates a brain drain in the community that directly impacts the economic  if we can create i mean we can change that to i don't know saying i i'm just trying to propose something alternative this this creates community impacts the perk of this creates impacts to the morgue or the economic vitality of mall kai versus the whole brain drain statement you know i agree so if you want to restate that for the risk creates community impacts that affect the economic ok that's a lot better and then in a hundred problems that's line eighteen says economic activity and socio economic characteristics again we say a lack of economic activity it almost means like there is no economic activity when you say a lack of economic activity i would rather say limited economic activity is one of the most significant problems so anybody object to that  anything else instead of saying a lack of economic activity to limited economic because there's not a lot there's lack means non we have limited economic activity here yeah yeah real quick  this statement doesn't seem correct that the second sentence molokai has sufficient water supply to meet current demand the last three water permit requests if people are willing to do water the north shore there's lots of water on the island but at a previous meeting i said there's not there is insufficient there is not enough sufficient amount of develop water on the island and you asked the definition of that staffed it and developable i guess would mean you can develop water without adverse effects to the environment or irreversible effects to environmental ecosystems i don't know where this comment this statement came from someone said it's the department of water supply but regardless of where it came from it's it's incorrect and if you're i don't i don't know how much water information you folks have to base decisions on but if you're basing it on incorrect statements like this then decisions are going to be arbitrary do something about the movement of water to a small way the movement of water to west more cars under question due to lack of locations of water through the commission on water resources and also the lack of an agreement and this has been going on for several years no going can you respect at the moment a water to west more is under question due to the absence of allocations of water from the commission on water resources and the lack of agreement for the movement of water from well seventeen through them o that's going to change every time i see it that and i think there's there's something that's missing out of this section because it says however critical water issues including the cost of stores and distribution infrastructure need to be ensuring offer sustainability so need to be  do we get into the nitty gritty water details with the ranch and all that in this section here early way to get out of the water section to deal with that cherry i make a recommendation you know that this same chapters in a come up on the agenda tomorrow i'm not mistaken is it possible for glenn in glory in members of our community to draft some language of them submitted to us tomorrow to make sure that we get it out right and just t fergus till tomorrow i mean that would be ok with me water is life so it's a good one just to definitely differ and get it right i mean i would agree with deferring that it also doesn't doesn't address that the one of the reasons for this is because of the absence of d t h of granting an easement for the water to be transmitted so i mean there's a multitude of issues that could be addressed but this is just an overview so well i think you know this is under problems and this is a major problem and so it needs to be you probably cannot talk about water with the talking about this this big problem of move you wanted to the west then you know and that issue of going home is granting easement is not really the issue the issue is who has the rights to water since so that that is the other issue and that's why we went to the supreme court twice in one twice in this report and as by defined in the state state constitution it says native hawaiians have prior rights to two thirds water based upon actual need a has first rights to water period is not two thirds ok so great had come up with the idea that maybe you can put down some verbiage and we can take a look at it more closely and then we can vote on of substance abuse domestic violence crowding and generational welfare i know argued this at the time we discussed this but from my own  sea i think it is pertinent that we do mentioned something about what glenn had brought up because the title of this section is problems opportunities and in about the economic activity i think i argued before that really the problem is the high cost of  living in hawaii in general and i was hoping at the bottom of this page there would be definitions because i'm thinking about people reading the plan i always like to have the definitions at the end of the page and i wanted to define economic activity as used in this ph and economies of scale and economy of diversity because i need to define that for myself because i don't know what that means in this context plenty determine if you want to comment on definitions for these things or if we should have definitions in here that we have made a deal you don't associate it with language that was used in the plan problem but but it's throughout the whole planet it mentions the high cost of living this is just a brief introduction to it what is the what is the problem is that what is the main problem with the economic to be associate normally social economic characteristics what is the main problem in problem with high cost of living economies of scale and a high cost of living so i'm just thinking that somewhere in this paragraph you need to mention but the high cost of living compared to what it's way cheaper to live here than to go get a house and so were we comparing it against or maui it's cheaper to get a place  you know i think we're getting trying to get too much detail in all of this stuff is just some verbiage they were going through they gives a general description of the plan and really the heart and the meat of it is really going to be the you know the issues and the even more important because in the first sentences and you're trying to convey a story of your island is so much more important to convey in four sentences and to get the four sentences right and to get into the eight in one  of department of labor and other statistics this initially hawaii is the highest cost of living in the united states against a perfectly clear we're going to find that data quick so can we just say at the beginning of that first and second line eighteen high cost of living and a lack of economic activity is one of the most significant problems facing the community and just move on i have no problem with that anybody else object to that all right let's put that in there and be lower education level i have a little problem with that because when i remember reviewing the whole thing on education i actually is a leader in the state and the percentage of students who graduate from high school where we fall short is those that have any sort of higher education so low education that i think we should put education level in that low education level because we actually have more college graduate i mean high school graduates here as a percentage of the total population than they do in the other island so as a body objective just put education level and then i will say whatever it says in there i think the controversy with that is that you have a difference between from a protocol and cultural sensitivity issue place based learning versus western education you know i think we have to respect that because if we look at one of our greatest resources that we can value line cultural level place based education that's one of the greatest strengths of our community so we need to be careful the way we say it is we hear it how to differentiate it or think about removing it sure i agree i remember talking to somebody on the big island from camille schools and they had all these kids from the different islands working at planting trees up in the forests and he said no more kids just take control the other kids didn't know the top of the shovel from the bottom of the sho by this community as an issue or a problem it was initiated by the change in the law and so the language comes from is being a rural community we really don't have we're not in the mix of governance whether it's from the county or the state we're always on the periphery not we don't have the opportunity to engage in statewide there's no inclusion of us for instance we don't have any video conferencing in any major board and natural resources meetings that type of stuff and that's a problem and i was hoping that we could put that as an issue connectivity on the island the fact that our telephones don't work half the time you know that whole area of connectivity i think is real critical when you talking about emergencies you're talking about people communications infrastructure thank you robert and yeah that like to know what he said to so we came connect to the global economy ok anything else on one dash nine statement about wanting to be part of the global economy is not correct and misleading and i think a lot of efforts over the years on this island have been to support alternative economies that are green or that are more in line with the cultural values that we have on the island we certainly have interface with the global economy but to say that we have a strong desire to be part of it i think is misleading and i think we have a strong community support and a desire to be better than what we see as models out on the global scale  the planet is not the plan it's not doing well with the present economics and the methods that have been used over the years and and all communities are looking for solutions how to have a healthy economy and not trash the place where we live so i think there could be a better statement that says you know instead of just we desire to be part of the problem that we desire to be part of the solution or some kind of wording to that  there's a lot of people get college degrees master's degrees on that i mean in our communities in i think that's maybe a false statement and then that was brought up earlier  we do have our own source subsistence economy that exists and a lot of the education relates to that they buy lifestyle and that's passed on in the families and things like that so i think instead of talking that we have a lawyer speak to the positives of the education that we do have plan and so i think they should be part of the updated plan as well and to discuss those types of things i think there should be a meeting and when i saw th well thank you there and we have been open to have that as a part of the appendix but what we want to do is have it updated so it's a more current version than one that's maybe fifty or twenty years old correct because everybody else from the public would like to provide testimony if not we can move on to chapter two here chair yeah one more based on a public testimony i try one more time on page one on the education level ok and forgive me in my words my thing is not as good as it could be  for on line twenty six at first sentence i came up with the educate educate the education level on more cry is uniquely diverse in relation to formal versus place based learning as compared to the rest of the state so we we just talk about it we talk about that and then people can research it for themselves because it's we can't say that it's low because it's incorrect on one side about a good point about it is improving so it unless we have information that specifically tells us that it's loaded with you know we don't we can do is talk about it positives  d uniqueness yeah  over time over the real slow the education level and more cry is uniquely diverse in relation to formal versus place based learning when compared to the rest of the state be object to that no but i just wanted some discussion so what is the problem problem with education education is listed as a problem so what is the problem because i hear that if it's the lack of opportunities for more education or diversity occasional education what is the problem to have so that maybe laurie we can take the low out of in that title so just as educational level we should remove law and just put educational level there for it's opportunity i what do you mean by level i mean with the education thing what's basically happening is our smart people are getting educated and moving off island and so that's been characteristically the problem on this island is that you know we don't have a lot of highly educated college graduates here because they go to other islands to find jobs so the problem is not the level of education or opportunit people who leave for higher education and don't come back but i think you know i think things are changing we have the community college we have more and more people graduating so it's kind of like a you know a new era that's you know they were moving into that i think we're going to have more and more graduates here ok anything else we need to keep moving and we did hear other testimonies you may want to make you comments on that just leave it the way it is or tying it to what i hear her saying it's that it's tied to the education and that the job opportunities there's a mismatch between them so people that if they get a certain kind of education they have to leave so i don't know how you resolve it i mean i thought we're just going to leave it where it was and just take a low you just have education level but do we ever explain that we have a kind of a loss of the higher education post second sentence cherry oh yeah when we were discussing is it my recollection and i may be correct in my recollection but it's my recollection that we had decided to put the new or current business statement first and then put the previous business statement second and if that regulation recollection is correct then on line thirteen on line i saw in line fourteen i propose that we change the last sentence to say the current vision statement and the two thousand and one version are respectfully provided on the following pages well i don't have any problem going with that s was he wanted to have well he recollected that we're going to have the two thousand and fifteen vision statement first and then we're going to have the two thousand and one and then we're going to change the wording on the first page accurately reflect that right and i would also recommend that we change the wording from a new vision statement to current business statement because at the time the plan is published the statement will be current you think you anybody object to that so you want on the next two pages on page two to three to put the two thousand and fifteen vision statement first and then the two thousand and one after correct  what is a purpose for that just to put this new i recall that when we discussed it you always want to at the beginning show what the current statement or current idea or current  is and then you can move backwards and show what had been in the past i sorry i just i must be i think backwards always go with the first and then the new after no big what are you implying by that what is what is the intent of the implication of that sentence whether community luaus were like the whole communit and then moving on  under b the culture resources gen is looking for that sentence in the old plan nine hundred cultural year thirty six thirty seven it's under archaeological resources and can we add the word community with a strong connection to cultural traditions and practices that must be protected period and strike that provide a solid foundation for a future where you can even but i just wanted to add those words community must be protected in that sentence so i'll read it again for you from thirty six has an abundance of cultural and archaeological says as a result so i'm assuming the new language is to validate this next sentence that says as a result development of a new model of sustainable tourism appears to be a real possibility so again i have to go back and define sustainable tourism and then it goes on to say this alternative approach is described in the two thousand and six responsible tourism initiative blah blah blah so i'm suggesting for consideration to go back my preference would be to strike the new language about the birthplace of the hula because i think we mentioned it in the culture and then it says as a result development of a new model of sustainable tourism appears to be a real possibility i don't know what to do with that but i wanted to strike this alternative approach and see  or see as a result development of a new model of sustainable tourism maybe instead of appears to be a possibility for economic growth period well first you're saying your first sentence that needs to be protected and then you're talking about turning into economic development well i'm not that's what he says here so it's a lame trying to diffuse that and all i'm saying is that the new language is a precursor that's trying to validate that that nixon is that says as a result development of a new i don't know if it is a new model i don't think sustainable tourism is any new model but is the new model of sustainable tourism appears to be a possibility well that's what i'm saying i'm suggesting after the word sustainable tourism may be instead of appears to be maybe a possibility strike real be inclusive chair they're going to so i would support bookkeeping lawyer talking about here because one thing that we're going to see the next chapter to stay consistent is addresses the visitor population so if we go by the old and  d saying that used to happen is welcome or kind of go home it's a way to have a sustainable compatible visitor industry that's acceptable to the community and so that works so what you're proposing supporting with laurie just brought up in a sentence about as a result development of a model of sustainable tourism may be a real possibility for economic growth  and one thirty six yeah as an abundance of cultural archeological resources and a community with strong connection to culture traditions and practices that must be protected and that is my proposal ok anybody object to that provide a solid foundation for the future the island is purported in oral tradition to be the birthplace it has over one hundred sites on the national national register of historic places distribute throughout the island as a result development of a new model  sustainable tourism may be a possibility for economic growth this alternative approach housing on more kind for other residents to buy or rent in the islands interdependency is a lot of residence to survive stressful times and events with minor you're right thirty two right after attached you want to add something new in there know and what you want to say the islands interdependent has allowed residents to survive stressful times an kicking back your housing thing i don't know if that was resolved cherokee so that's the next thing opportunities where you want to put another bullet because it only goes to f so what you're saying is you want to put he f g and there are you know on the housing so he wants to put g oh sorry on the island for other residents to buy or rent in the first sentence it ties in to global glans talking about this is a solution to this problem the availability of workforce housing cama affordable housing ownership and rental comma and the variety of housing types on the island are limited because part of it isn't just having workforce housing it's the fact that our community struggles being able to find housing that's affordable for ownership and rental ok i guess what they're saying is having you know section an opportunity stick it all in one and try to address everything ok so regardless of where it's at i'm just adding to online sixteen in the middle of the sentence after housing putting a comma in just and also saying affordable housing ownership and rental comma and a variety of housing types on the island is limited so it's adding to that statement nancy you have a quick one hi nancy mcpherson did thank you for talking about subdivisions the thing with that is that it was always in the hawaiian homes commission act so it's actually not a d h h l initiative what it is is that it was always in the act for a long time the white house commission was because of the ag task force recommendations was not allowing subdivisions to occur but recently it was determined that they actually couldn't do a moratorium on subdivisions so that has been basically overturned that policy was overturned and there are some constraints to doing subdivisions mainly water and holy who are water availability but because the water system is being upgraded eventually that won't be a problem so it is something that will create some new lots we don't know how many but i just wanted to correct that it's not a d h h l initiative it's actually in the white homes commission act already so what we what we've done is we're we have created a better mechanism for the homesteaders to initiate the subdivision process middle line eight based on several community workshops and interviews it's clear that a slow and cautious approach to future development on the island is preferred by many suggesting to insert the following language to retain distinctive rule character period the last sentence future growth on the island should b e the reason why i did that is because the heading for that item see is distinctive or of character so again based on several community workshops it interviews it's clear that he's slowing cautious approach to future development on the island his preferred by many to retain distinctive rule character period and of  since employment opportunities are limited there's limited word again and many residents have turned yet so this is this trend  have successfully making the operations of a several decades and i was just thinking if anybody had suggestions i guess it's kind of clear that we're talking about  individual land owners and not corporate big type of land owners but if we  anybody object to striking that i don't have a problem with taking a train down anything else laurie and i have your last call here i have one second troy ok after this on housing sixteen that first sentence at that one that greg changed i wanted to add this sentence however the recent lifting of a moratorium on the subdivision of wine homelands for ok we can see some subdivided lots for family for family members for you know houses housing for other residents to buy or rent yeah but see i think under house under i mean it's so easy just to stick it in here and then to make a whole section separate i don't know yeah that's what that's why that's why it but that's why i stuck it in here so you don't have to have two section just one sections you were seen as a problem but there also and we're not addressing the segment through the whole way home subdivision process you know workforce harzi and all this stuff may not be addressed through the hawaiian home subdivision process that's why i put however you know so you can still stands is limited housing for these areas however the recent lifting of a moratorium on the so division of point home lot o and homeland lots will allow homesteaders to subdivide for family members free not housing for other residents to buy or rent all right let's move on chapter two you guys steve yeah before we get into the discuss i'd just like to say a word of thanks to whomever has provided the new cables for the microphones if everybody's notice this is a wonderful experience so ok chapter two here all right let's go through this like we've already made all the changes and we're just catch and the few little things that we missed the first time through game past the vision statement anybody got anything in your chair yeah i was asking if a planning could clarify for us the the numbers and figure to point to so i was i was kind of wondering if the validity of those numbers in real quick those of course are just forecasts based on past trends and when you look in the two thousand and one plan there was a similar forecast which did not come true but as explained in the chapter it's a forecast with limitations  the same people for cost the railway cost so no  is there any way to put attributions for where the data came from something on on each of those figures just so people have questions and they can like a footnote you've been consistent the other tables to reference t report where it came from to seven to eight steve on page two nine line number thirty four the new sentence in blue it's it appears that that beginning of that sentence is a rewrite of the original ending of that sentence and if you read the sentence in its entirety it's it's a fragmented run on sentence that doesn't make any sense and i've been trying to page two dash nine line thirty four the blue sent them i remember a seatback going over this quite a bit and so this blue is your vision what was originally and here so are you saying something now you want to change back oh we could say so i like it we just need to state this better like saying an important aspect of improving the economy is loriene energy costs by efficiently managing energy and water costs through of improving economy is loriene energy costs by officially managing energy and water through establishing a strategic integrated management approach to supplying energy and water and maybe we say efficiently toys in there so we need energy saying to successfully improving the easy economy or something something that would be lowering water costs by efficiently managing energy through the because right now you've got energy water energy y would i would like to say more efficiently because the fact that we can walk across a room and turn a little knob and get water that's pretty efficient came more efficiently on that same page line twenty seven says green technology sustainable building practices and green infrastructure so solution should also be used think we should say should also the built environment is what you've created your buildings your roads even cultural resources as far as like archaeological sites are the built environment you can not then what's not naturally occurring because it talks about sustainability having just sat through three days of a planning conference with jennifer and everybody else on the wall who the word was thrown around a lot sustainability and i for me i defined sustainability as the old definition of carrying capacity we used to use back in the ninety's eighty's and ninety's we used to say carrying capacity of the island is so much now that's kind of mor into sustainability what we're talking about that on page two hundred seven and we say that it's a it's an important concept but we move that it's an important concept to saying that we need to integrate the concept and then we say that we have guiding principles and then we move from guiding principles to saying that according to the state penny  priority guidelines shall take precedence when addressing areas of concern as county decision making process allocation of resources and this is on line twenty eight and twenty nine  sherman county general plans development plans as well as capital improvement project appropriations and land use decision making as a person that does budget my language i mean that's the kind of stuff i look for because again we're talking about money and priorities of funding and budgets and so this whole thing  all the chapter adding this new language to it in our community plans about climate change and sustainability is kind of really important because you can all you can already see coming down the line that parity for funding  and and we're seeing it right here on this page so online sixteen where it says sustainability is a particularly important concept for me is not only  concept it's has to be a reality so i mean i know i scratched that out in i put that sustainability is not only an important concept but must be a reality in a region as fragile and remote as hawaii as the hawaiian islands so i was hoping that that's the kind stuff we can put in for language in this i mean i'm ok with it it's just that i was because we moving to three different words associated with sustainability from concept to guiding principle to integration s was the flow of language but that's fine i'm good with that so you want to remove concept because we said that we can integrate the concept of sustainability and the guiding principles ok anything else well if you look we in the bath in one of your appendix it has the definition of sustainability and the priority guidelines and principles to promote sustainability shell include and then there's a bunch of stuff yeah i know i'm with you i'm with you be more forceful and say this will be achieved on two nine line thirty nine this is this can be achieved and we can say this will be achieved well we are going to use more renewable energy sources i mean i don't think we're going to go the other way i would rather be proactive and say we are going to use more real renewable sources but we still go below same price yeah whatever we can leave it can be if this is a thought here that takes as a chapter number three then so does anybody have any comments i'd like to make start on page three one