we're going to have father father mike imagine though on after this break and want to set it up by letting you know a little joke give us a little more background on that story particular and they will save the other one for afterwards to say you know there's the other side of the well you know i mean i think everybody sort of knows the idea of the story right now the family moved into a house in gary and after living there for a few months you know strange things started happening you know nothing particularly you know evil but just sort of strange things were happening with flies and what footprints and things like that and then eventually one of the children they found the child levitating above his bed in the middle the night and then eventually one of the other children was thrown i think was like thrown out of the bathroom and you know hurt their arm or something like that and they eventually ended up reaching out to father maj no there was an incident where one of the children walked in several people saw the child walk backwards up the wall at a hospital the hospital a local doctor was involved in and he sort of you know  he he said he'd never seen anything never seen or heard or anything like this before but they eventually reach out to father masha now and with with you know with the blessing of the church he ended up doing a total of four exorcisms in the house  at the very least and you know they're now they're living in annapolis so this is you know hence past some time but that i think it's good to have that time away because now we can be i mean even the folks involved to get more objective and take a look at what happened that time instead of being in the moment and you know that stuff you know that's heart stopping right here on the back of your neck curdling stuff and we're going to have him out right quick here after some traffic and weather and then we're going to f up with a little story that i want you guys to check out on you tube at the very least because it's too long to play on our show but it's certainly on the other side of things and the kids sort of got a story to blow your mind in the area of and the great work that you're doing and we're following up obviously done the gambit around a lot of shows lately to talk about your experience at the moment spammy home in gary at your time of  what happened and when did you first hear of the folks in need yes i was it was a friday in late april and two thousand and twelve i was doing my normal  bible study class after mass in the morning and usually on friday and saturday i cover for the catholic priest chaplain at the methodist hospital there you call whose day off it is that that time and so i got a call from the methodist chaplain that he wanted me to come over and perform an exorcism and i said i have to get permission from the bishop and then get that permission you have to present to conduct an investigation and present him the evidence to go forward with right and i said what what is this all about and he told me about several professional people seen the well i walk up the wall backwards in the emergency room and they ran out and got the security security got the police they called in the chap and then he called me you know father now the first thing you know what we've been talking about this quite a bit lately and one of the things that i found so interesting about the story is that how sort of matter of fact everybody is about what happened it's sort of a cut and dry a lot of times there's a lot of questions about the family the people involved in this case it seems like almost everyone that got involved sort of you know came on board and said ok i agree something's not right here was that sort of your pain when you got involved with this and when you were with them what did you observe when you when you first came upon them and actually from that moment the boys and the girl was taken away from the family  sent to the comma right home in the chicago so did you work with latoya then just at the home yes then i gave him my contact information and they said they could meet with me after all my sunday duties and we agreed to meet at six thirty at their home the mother and the grandmother and so there i conducted a four hour investigation as it turned out and what did you what did you what were your they moved in the house that previous november and i was trying to get on a chronological order and and doing all that you're trying to find the source of the problem and there did seem to be one red flag  that seemed to be the what may have triggered it all for me at that time and that was the mention of the last visit of her ex boyfriend and when she only got to the porch and and that and just after that three days later everything seemed to rev up big degree and what kind of struck me strange was  e wanted to give the boys two five dollar bills each and but he didn't give anything to the girl and i found that to be strange and asked why and the grandmother responded that it was because the boys needed incentive to be good and the girl did it or something bizarre and strange and all that you know it's want to me to get to it so in the second half of the interview after they told their whole story i wanted to get to let's get down to the bottom of you know what's the boyfriend all about and the moment we started to go down that route a series of phenomena began to happen which would interrupt me from getting further into that and the first thing was the lights in the bathroom began to flicker and such and so i went to take a closer look at it and the moment i got to the bathroom it stopped doing that and so i came back it was things that they described a lot of electronic things what kind of malfunction that time and so i sat down and went to get back to the boyfriend again and then the story and again this happened and the same thing i went to the door it's the flickering but this time as i was walking back i just thought twice i said out loud i guess this is scared of me and the moment i said that it immediately began to flicker and baas and this time i could walk into the bathroom and see a continuing doing that and even went so far as to get my crucifix that i brought with me and put it on top of the light and it still continued to flicker and buzz so here i am seeing this is not just a normal electric malfunction this is reacting and responding to me and and he sent in a defiant way  so i made a note of all that and then i but now i'm determined ok i'm going to get to the bottom of this boyfriend thing and that and then they pointed out a second phenomenon  went to take a closer look at the see what would cause it to be swaying and next to it were three strings and at the end of the strings where the tags and the strings were used to open and close that vertically after another and it was all doing at the flats where the strings were more open but the rod was and and and what was even more interesting is there was no vent underneath those vents ran down the middle of the house except for the kitchen window then i finally got into her bedroom and i saw this look like two ounces of fluid was poured right down the middle of the venetian blinds and i asked her about i don't remember saying that when i walked in here and did the blasting i blast every room with the first moment i came to the house and she said yeah when they saw another church that kind of help  her church wanted and they got to find another church and they suggested that they take all of oil and make the signs of the cross on the doorways and the windows and so she made a sign of the cross on but i didn't realize that there was a cut out it was a scene meant floor and was cut out underneath the stairs where was the soil of sand and dirt and i did find that out until the policeman went through the house on wednesday following my sunday investigation to do their own we were kind a little bit in contact be between that time they want to know what i discovered and such and then they call back and  what they discovered they mention that that area underneath the stairs that's all that significant i did i miss that so are you surprised that the teams like the police were sort of eager to help out with this resource apprised of how you know how much they wanted to have caused all that so i think the you know the major question that probably a lot of people have you know and a lot of people that there's always a lot of skeptics in the world is are people that are more you know accepting of things like this new people that you know believe in the good but not necessarily the bad talk a little bit about how prevalent is this i mean is this something that you rarely ever hear or see or is this something that happens more often than we would think it might happen more often than we think because every diocese this supposedly to have an ex and usually you don't hear about it mainly because the nexus is dealing with a family they've been through hell already and the last thing they want to is they go through a media afterwards you know so usually no one wants to talk about you know they don't want to talk about it but what's a little different in my case is this is my only one and and so it's the only one i have to protect and when the victim you know came thing i did want the policeman to dig underneath there and make sure it wasn't a crime scene and then also to see if you know a lot of times these things are like portals that have been chicago before he would give his permission which i did and and i probably could have handed it off to the one in indianapolis at that time i've been doing the investigations been you want every night with our kids that was just devastating for her and and the one in indianapolis said he would start all over from scratch and she could when it aired another might you know one of the things i wanted to ask you about is i know you so i'm sure you're pretty surprised i mean the story sort of went from it was published on a sunday and within forty eight hours i mean we basically went all over the globe people were taught going about in your phone is ringing off the hook you know i know it's absolutely yeah i was totally shocked  that and again i appreciate your time with me today father but you know what i want to ask you about was i know like for instance on the o'reilly i know he beat you up a little bit i mean i think that was sort of an unwarranted sort of an attack to me it sort of seems like and again i've said  and then probably would have to get permission to go and see the children but there was a city you know there was a series of things that were happening to her and i decided to put the crucifix on her forehead and she began to co that's one of the classic signs is that version to holy things of possession and so i said oh i could kind of deal with her first and then get to the children later and has we were able to  you know through the one minor and three major exorcisms take care of the toy it seemed to have taken care of the children as well so there was never any need to go any further so my last question for you about this don is let's say somebody out there is experiencing what you say they're having issues with their house or what is called issues they're having issues and obviously you know it's hard to run to local presence and even exorcism that's probably not the solution for most people but let's just say somebody is experiencing some strange issues in their house do you have recommendations for them yeah especially if they are catholic you know any catholic priest could go and bless the house that's the first thing and it usually is on the sea if anything goes there  and a lot of times you know it now ghost are much easier to deal with than demons demons wrongly but but actually if you kind of know who the person is that may be on thing the home there's a lot of things that can be done to take care of that probably one of the most simplest if you have a net name of the person to have a mass set for them and pray for them and and oftentimes just that you know they may be fearing to go to the light of jesus who is going to judge them but not necessarily condemn them and that's what they're afraid of and so they're moving nowhere and you know and with the merciful love of god whatever their well thank you very much for all the for spending time with us and we really appreciate you helping those folks out us region it's always stick together and if you ever have anything you want to talk about it on the other side of something and others topics to discuss movies like the exorcist and that's where the interesting thing about the stories that it's sort of formulaic when you're any sort of you know poltergeist exorcism movie this is exactly you know formulaic of the movie but maybe it's just because that's how it goes you know right andy i mean when people write these type of things that you do or they do their research they learn you know how it is done i betcha he's right though i mean it probably happens a lot more than people that's that's the thing willing to say and do it well we got a little bit let's take a quick commercial break and let's play at least part of that before we go into our break it's an excellent story it's about eleven year old boy reincarnated if you want to look at on your you tube right now and not wait for me to play a portion of it it just put that into your you tube browser eleven year old boy  interesting stuff definitely will be right back after a couple spots and we're going to come back and play a little bit about james from this you tube clip from two thousand and nine that sort of goes along the lines what we just we're talking about the you know i guess claiming he is the reincarnation of a man by that firefighter by the name of james hilton who basically he knows the family i mean some of his warm body you see meet some other war buddies and he knows them by daughter one of the daughters of the lives that would be his third sister right and she was she came as i don't know words as the things he knows are enough to say he that only james hilton original would know right and about that i hadn't heard that story but yet i'm reading a book called journey of souls it's a case studies of life between lives it's by this michael new and it's very strange that you said that because they sickly from what i haven't read much of the book but he basically puts them in a trance and hypnotizes them and they go back and some of these folks that i've been writing about go back to neanderthal times and it's kind of sounding like everyone has a soul and i'll tell you get it right here you keep going back and kind of gets a cold and sole survivor that just came out that talks about their story if you're you know if you're looking to add to your library on the set because there's a lot there was that doctor recently who said there is somewhere here you do go you know maybe i'll pick that up and read a very interesting and that kind of makeshift think it does make you think thanks so much for telling me i mean it makes you think well that's the thing i think that's what you know what we should talk about after the break is i'm really curious to get some reaction on the story i mean i'm sort of an open minded person or you sort of are too it's not that i necessarily excepted you know accept this you know without but i'm also open minded to this other some people that are just completely say no can't happen doesn't happen and that's that and there's some people in the middle but this is the story out of gary i mean it really sort of changes the game for me because now we've sort of not as i made it mainstream but now it's sort of become more of an accepted possibility how's that and that along with the story even just even though it's just four years ago you she's a member of the center for education and career innovation down in indianapolis to talk about her group and how they're looking to turn around education here in the state of indiana be back a common folks it's not it's not a small little thorn here i don't think so you still think three six inches possible i mean it seems like at least it looks pretty sunny it's pretty cloudy out there national weather still saying two to four but i'm saying at least three to six do we have any callers eight four five hundred anybody interested in talking about what we just talked about on both of those issues spirituality i don't want to turn this into a religious meeting all right well then you know you know i think that's sort of the interesting thing about it is that people seem to be much more open to the idea of let's say angels and things like that they're sort of more open to the idea of of the positives and then when you start talking about demons and devils and things like that that people don't really you know they're less accepting i think is sort of the issue well that's what i want to do the positive you know talk on the other side rightly i that writing about i mean this young man eleven to be   it's kind of like hard to pull to believe that story in a way because with all this technology that they have known days i don't see how anyone can pick up a phone and record their little boy walking on the right i kind of don't believe i'm with you i mean are you prepared i mean that's where those dots where they give ten thousand dollars i mean some serendipitous sometimes when you could something so unique video but i'm with you a little bit i was actually going to ask f that but i don't think that he's going to be all that concerned about video regarding what he does so yeah and then i was thinking to myself well and so this really happens to you you won't you know there's no way to even like it happened to me my and i used to live on the sauce on the effect of chicago and what happened was that when i purchased my home the owner had passed away and they told me you have to have the one in the hospital i kind of been a believe that because i think he passed away in the house after that we heard noises we heard everything but i was like no you know this is not you know real whatever it was a georgian style home and i was upstairs brush my teeth now the dark could have slammed and you know nothing would fall off the walls fallen off the walls but that night i was brushing my teeth and literally somebody pushed me and my shelf came flying down off the wall so it wasn't like anyone could come behind me and knocked about it was just like it just that's the one and only incident did you move out after that or rather the answer that i sold my house never went back to where you already did sell the house to the lady was scared to go to the basement also and we never told them about this well you know they get a lot of them out of basement and they were hearing said no and maybe that's you know what father saying a little bit they're sort of figuring out how to get to the other side you know i maybe since you were there they they did something or maybe they did something maybe they called the local priest and he did something maybe they never know i mean i guess i think more like i said my house blah i have a house blah don't we you know we heard noises and you know and well we were told is that you need to have like family a lot of family there of the lord together is always better than you know just a few i guess what i'm saying i mean i think that sort of traditional thing is the idea of prayer circles and things like that of churches and you know the chain of prayers and things like that i think that that happens a lot well that's an interesting story thanks year that yeah yeah but then that's the thing you hear one knock and they analyze it for the next hour sort of thing so if you hear one knock one paying they spend the next hour analyzing it forward and backwards and you know stuff like that i just think it's going to fall and so i think for it on your on the air  thousands of videos of potential evidence is just sort of depends on how open minded you are just check you to exactly we'll be back after these messages with luanne baker from done and that was from the center for education and career development keep it locked down from thirty w g o b