welcome to the continuation of this meeting we did go into session we called the roll up stairs previously because we went into a closed session with the board of public works to talk about some property acquisition issues that's the only thing we did  upstairs in closed session so as far as the agenda tonight is concerned we have simply called the roll item number one so as you will see on the agenda the next two items are done consecutively and are typical for our meetings and we will next have a prayer which tonight will be led by our colleague council member at large wayne klum parents and immediately following that we will have the pledge of allegiance to the flag so i would invite anyone in chambers who is so inclined to join us in both of these items dear lord we give thanks to you for the city we are thankful for each citizen of this community give this counsel wisdom and insight into what is good what is fair what is responsible for the well being of each neighborhood we pray for the health and safety of our citizens and city employees help this council to act in a clear way a fair way and to be inclusive to all help this council to truly listen to the thoughts and feelings of its members to respect all ideas and to vote in the best way that represents the community help us to be good stewards of our community resources in your blessedness name amen i pledge allegiance to the flag of the united states of america and to the republic for which the thing is violation under god indivisible with liberty and justice for all thank you wayne you will notice if you will find rather in the rack in the rear of this room printed copies of tonight's agenda if you have a computerized device of some sort an i pad a smartphone a laptop and you're in chambers or if you're at home watching this broadcast you also can find a copy of not only the agenda but also all the background material that council has reviewed in preparation for this evening's meeting and you can do that by going to the city's web page city of holland dot com if you go to the calendar section of it you'll find today's date today's meeting and all the background material that you can download typically that information is put on the city's website on the friday before a meeting sometimes it may be monday but usually it's friday  so that basically the public can understand the items that are coming before council and understand what councils looked at in preparation for our meetings as you note the agenda whether in paper form or electronic form you'll see that there are a variety of items that have an asterisk next to them and these are items that we have currently placed on our consent agenda and what that means is that regardless of wherever the item shows up in the agenda what we're going to do is handle all of those items together with one motion and one vote approving them all as a group and we do this because we have previously discussed these items or we deem them to be relatively routine and uncontroversial now just because we have so designated those items as being worthy of consent attention you may not think so in fact you might be here for one of those items directly so what we're going to do before we have that approval of the consent agenda is we're going to ask our deputy clerk to read for us all of those items after she is done with that i'll invite any member of the audience to step up to the microphone and tell us which item numerically or by general title you would like removed and we'll take it then as ignored norm normally shows up in the agenda and of course members of are also free to remove one or more items from the consent agenda as well so let's begin this process and if you would kindly read for us what is presently put on the consent agenda item five to approve the minutes of the regular special and close sessions held august seventh special meeting have held august fourteenth two thousand and thirteen item eleven eight to accept and file executed oath of office item eleven be to accept or study and report eighty one ninety eight tax abatement approve two service agreements with county community action council for home energy audit services from july one thousand and thirteen through december thirty one two thousand and fourteen fourteen eighty three to adopt a resolution to purchase a parcel of land from how in charter township in the amount of nine thousand eight hundred twenty three dollars and thirty eight cents located by the new power plant property for the public works i don't fourteen eighty four to approve a thirty as for the michigan municipal league annual convention to be held at the renaissance center in detroit seventeen through the twentieth two thousand and thirteen fourteen d three to approve a second hand new business license located at five seventy three college avenue i had imported two point one to adopt a resolution establishing the hours of small and bird skate park between eight am and ten p m fourteen eat three point one two except the bit submitted by dave cold craters inc in the amount of eleven thousand five hundred dollars for a painting of the interior walls at the transportation services building to be funded by the parks and cemetaries fiscal two thousand and fourteen budget item fourteen three point two two accept the bid submitted by truck and trailer specialities in the amount of eighteen thousand one hundred seventy dollars for the purchase of a dump truck for the transportation street services department fourteen three point three tricks up the bid submitted by truck and trailer specialties in the amount of thirteen thousand seven hundred ninety three dollars for the purchase of a salt spreader for the transportation street department and this to be paid by amount of nineteen thousand one hundred sixty six dollars for the purchase of two john deere utility vehicles for the parks and cemetaries division with the amount funded through the park and cemetery specific two thousand and fourteen budget and declare as surplus to two thousand and six john deere gators fortini three point six two approve the bid in the amount of twenty four thousand two hundred dollars for the purchase of file server with software license from aaa for the technology services department fourteen point seven two approve the bid to purchase three chevrolet at a total cost of seventy six thousand seven hundred thirty seven dollars and one chevrolet caprice at a cost of twenty seven thousand two hundred eighty nine dollars from burgers for the public safety services police division to be funded by the centralized item fourteen three point eight to approve the bid to purchase for your ground radios at a total cost of eleven thousand and eighty dollars from creative communications for the public safety services for your division item fourteen three point nine two accept the june two thousand and thirteen monthly financial report as submitted automatic mutual aid agreement with how in charge of township or fire services subject to approval to form by the city attorney and fourteen five point two two adopt a resolution approved a p approving a p eighty three twenty inc one hayward center for additional investments of seven million four hundred fourteen dollars and that this investment is added to the open heyworth two thousand and ten p a three twenty eight abatement with the date of december thirtieth two thousand and twenty two that's it all right that is the consent agenda as it currently stands for the savings meeting would anyone from the audience create or remove an item from consent mr p all right fortini four point two the fire division mutilate agreement with holland charter township as well as the fourteen five point two the three twenty eight tax abatement with hayworth anyone else if not what is the pleasure of council to handle the amended consent agenda for this evening motion moved by truth support supported by de boer is there any discussion saying none please call the r thank you and that takes us then to a special order of the day and we have a very special order of the day and that is tonight to welcome to i think to some additional members at least i will find out altogether here for sure  the twenty thirteen twenty fourteen holland youth advisory council so kim myers is kim is not here but i am in the city manager brian cotton will handle this item for us mr city manager i want to  thank kim with helping with this process as well as greg robinson assistant city manager but especially the reason this is happening tonight as opposed to weeks ago is because it's something new and what's new is the city has authorized and park and we wanted to part of that plan in your budgeting was to invite several of the youth who are part of this program to participate in the holland youth advisory committee year round so  to continue his education after school and it would be after high school and he would be interested in the being appointed to the police community relations committee and we also have his veronica a are is a freshman going in to be a freshman and both of them impressed us a great deal in their efforts the summer to work with their partners with their team leaders and improving the city of holland and i think we can be very proud of their accomplishments excellent you know a few of us had the opportunity yesterday the story of the event upon which the story in today's sentinel was based a few of us had the opportunity to be at that  lunch and sort of wrap up for the summer program and you know i think all of us who whether in large or small ways observed what our students were doing in this community over the summer really had a great sense of  work that was done and you know it was great to see so many more of our youth actively involved in their city and we've we heard stories about how really made the participants feel much more a part of this community and that really is that the of the program and you know i want to also express like the city manager did all there you are really really watched in the great escape ministries program you guys invested heavily into this program into the lives of some of these students and i want to thank you for that packet i don't believe we're going to take care of it right now unless there's any objection to doing so you have a recommendation from the city manager and youth services to appoint these two fine students to their respective committees is their motion to do so to approve moved by right now feel free to leave if you want to that if you want to stick around for the rest of the meeting you're certainly welcome to do that as well but it's a nice evening and it's still summer so all right that then takes us down to the option of ordinances tonight we have a couple of them on the agenda the first is section four dash three simply titled the beekeeping ordinance and i believe that we've had certain discussion about this but maybe a brief introduction might be in order at this particular moment before we have the public hearing community neighborhood services director or what are going to be planners are coming the microphone he and the cns director i think we're arm wrestling to tonight briefly for you this evening you have on your agenda proposed second reading of an ordinance amendment to section four point three of the city code which deals with the keeping  housing of various animals and insects in this case in the city hall and real quickly the timeline on this city council was approached by a resident back in march in in regards to this in and basically just asked city council if you'd be interested in looking at this ordinance and allowing people to keep  sent that to the planning commission for review and report and the planning commission over the course of a couple months worked on this and ultimately came up with the final ordinance but then at the be very interested in moving forward with this and staff is been responsive to your needs or your suggestions in regards to doing some tweaks to the ordinance we get some input from the city attorneys into how to make it a better ordinance and we have in front of you a final ordinance for your review tonight i don't know of mary you'd like me to give a brief synopsis of the contents of that or or not but i think we're ok though if there are questions that arise rest assured we will happen we will call on you to revive some definitive answers for us all right any questions for staff at this point nancy place one question i didn't know for sure if these people have these in their backyard and someone who lives in the city has like fruit trees and they would like to import those bees for a little while is that legal  this transport you're saying if somebody has hives they keep them in the city and so he has an orchard or as whatever some fruit trees on their yard could they be brought there to help pollinate that those trees yeah  that is a very good question that ever heard that one i don't know ron would be i have to confess i don't know much about keeping honey bees but just sort of speculate a little bit if they're going to be kept on someone else's property that someone else would have to get a permit under the ordinance as well to be able to keep them there but again i don't yes i don't know much about keeping honeybees i know i learned a lot fast but that's why they do they bring their bees to a field and then the field gets pollinated by those bees and then they take the bees home that's what beekeepers do but i don't know if this is just set up as only a residential thing and i had a somebody from the city ask me if it's ok for people in the city to bring their babies to another person in the city's trees that need pollination so the question i mean it's not like bringing an ordinance so it's a land you said the person in charge of taking care of the bees would have to be the one that has the honeybee permit right so it's ok if they did that they could do that ok thank you addressing the bees in a specific area and what's to prevent somebody from just going here here here here here here here here here is it not the property owner that needs to have the permit to how is the the bees on there i'm just looking for clarification that's it seems like we're clouding already what we're trying to what what's being proposed here interpretation and i can see this thing getting out of hand on the wing that was bad really bad again because because this isn't a land use it's not is only ordinance it's down to land use ordinates the person in charge of keeping the bees would have to be one that's permitted  and that have to comply with the restrictions and keeping the bees wherever they're keeping them ok that was my that's more my confusion comes in so if they go to somebody else's yard they have to create the fly zone the whole nine yards cracked ok just as long as that's understood now i'm assuming they're being kept there i get i pretty ignorant about beekeeping if you bring em there for a few hours  and i have no idea what they do with bees and that's we have to make that determination before we go too much further down this road i think nancy is going to very good question there i don't think we want to be going on a case by case basis i was in full support of this i still am in full support of this but let's not have a hole right off the bat that's a that's a very valid question now the way i would read this is where are the hives are kept it they're going to have to comply with the ordinance requirements so then i guess it would be you know if somebody wants to take that taking a hive or whatever to an orchard or some fruit trees somebody has that in the city i mean based on what with the attorneys saying that they would up here who know next to nothing about beekeeping to be batting this question around i would simply make a request that when we open the public hearing portion of this that some of the very much more knowledgeable folks about bees address nancy's question so that we can be informed thank you then this is the time and place for a public hearing on this particular item the typical rules of council apply if you'd like to address council on this item we ask you step forward of the microphone state your name and residential address for the record and you will have up to five minutes to address council on this matter you'll notice that when you begin speaking they'll be a little green light basically straight on for me that you will see that light turns yellow at the four minute mark and turns red at the five minute mark you know exactly where you're at in terms of time so i now say that the public hearing is open and i invite anyone to the microphone to address this item and there'd be very little likelihood of them being moved from place to place to place over the summer because the primary pollination periods are early in the spring for the early fruit trees then they're often off site in a blueberries out in the country and may come back to home site to do vegetable gardens and home guards and that kind of thing sell the possibility of them being moved from place to place is very small and i would concur with what mark seem to indicate that if they are moved in for somebody trees that that place should meet all of the restrictions of the original understanding in terms of flyways and that kind of thing i fully concur with that and so i don't see it as being a real problem but i appreciate the question being raised and  two and a half three weeks of fruit trees and off the bees go to mr lamb it's not just a matter of couple hours couple of days they're going to be there for a couple three weeks correct they may move with the blossoms as the summer spring progresses going from this type of blossom to this type of blossom to this type of blossom over the summer so they could potentially move three times within the course of the summer or the course of the season and that is a possibility  right thank you the microphone is still open public hearing is still open on this item gratifying as i said in my letter some of the smaller things in life are sometimes the most gratifying it for me this is kind of a little deal in the big scheme of things but for me this is this is a lot of fun and it's very nice and i appreciate your willingness to look at this in spite of the the planning commission's recommendation so that first of all the other thing that the letter addressed and i want to i think it was mr barnes when i was here a couple of weeks ago  mentioned that one of the things associated with beekeeping is cost it's not an easy thing to get into there is a cost associated with it and i think especially for maybe retirees or a child who's interested in getting into this i think it would be nice to mitigate those costs as much as possible and when i thought a little bit about the fee that the city was thinking about exacting for registering these that your comment sort of we also said something about the administrative costs associated with with this ordinance and the more i thought about it the more i tried to put my finger on exactly what those administrative costs might be they've already created that registration document i think it's a simple word document fill it out it's going to the community services i think everybody here on this panel knows that the city is not staffed right now to be doing pretty inspections or of the beehives before these are registrations go forward i mean they've got things with rental inspections that are much more important than this and i really didn't think that the twenty five dollars fee was really justified given those two items but i just wanted to be here tonight to thank you for your for your support i hope that we get this passed tonight and if there's any questions i'd be happy to research facility for bees an aviary and i would just like here would like to really thank you for taking the time to study this and to do it right i really am impressed by all of the work that you have done to kind of come up with an ordinance that is so well thought out and well written and in the big scheme of things i just want to show you that i think that you are all going in the right direction in the that in holland being such a wonderful city with so many sustainable actions and so many wonderful green activities going on i think that you are right on when it comes to beekeeping to address  boars question about the pollination pollination is most of the time a very commercial operation and it usually is requiring lots of different orchard trees and at the same time requiring lots of beehive and so the transport and the pollination is usually more in a commercial setting i could see that somebody in the city would say well could you bring your bees to pollinate my own orchard tree however bees as you all know travel quite quite extensively and therefore there probably would be enough bees in the city to pollinate that tree to begin with but if there was some sort of exception i would also as my colleague don lamb says make sure that both the owner of the bees as well as  property owner concur with all of the rules from the ordinance so again thank you very much for your support and looking at this i think that you are really admirable into doing all of this work and passing this ordinance hopefully tonight thank you thank you very much for being here microphone and public hearing are still up in this item all right i will then close the public hearing we have before us the ordinance that was on first reading any discussion among members of council really if someone has said a couple months ago that all of a sudden this b thing only a pretty good idea i think it's great so that the twenty five dollars fee thing and i wonder if this is new we're taking a bit of a leap here i can easily see an instance where we start a few more people get involved there's an issue here or there someone does have to go to someone's home someone is going to have to make sure that there's water within a certain footage the fed is a certain high there are some criteria to the permitting that has to happen and you know i'm just wondering if for the first year or two at least let's get going and let's just accept these rather modest fees just in good faith that we don't know exactly what's going to happen but maybe they'll come a time where the saints become so popular and that can be removed at some point i don't know but right now i can live with that i think it's a nice compromise between us taking a leap of faith and trying to figure out the kind of hip and cool here i think it's a great thing and it's going to be a partnership so i'm comfortable with that i support it yes yes so your hand next please and they don't really realize why if it's a virus or a combination of things or what the problem is but agriculture is one of our top three industries in the state of michigan and it's really important that we have honeybees to keep our agricultural yield up so it's not just a fun thing or just a creative happy it is as you have said a very sustainable habit that helps support life in our world and so i'm very grateful to those of you who have pursued this as a hobby and are willing to even in an urban setting follow rules like these in order to help all of us because we're really proud of our pretty city and we like things that grow and we want flower power around here as well as our agricultural crops that we eat and that's all be related so we're very grateful for your and vestment  in the future of this area and also what has struck me is it is kind of mean are those of you who have worked in this industry it's obviously a  very gentle habit to have bee keeping and it really shows in the kind of people you are and that's that's been a real example to me as well saw thank you for what you have done for the community and will continue to do jay just leaned over to me and said i really surprised him on the support of this one because he didn't think i would my brother in from the second ward doesn't give me a whole lot of credit sometimes  i'm going to address specifically the fee and i would hope that city staff would be going out and inspecting these sites especially since it's a brand i understand that we have a lot of things to do but as was said before this is this is something new i hope that we're going out in and taking a look to make sure that you know if we're going to write nor instead is going to be followed now under that guys i also do understand that i think the fees are a little stiff and if i might float an amendment at this point intertainment amendment at this point that we reduce the proposed twenty five dollars actually extend the twenty five dollars to a three year period and the renewable after that point to fifteen years for two years so in essence what you're going to have it's proximately eight dollars a year for the first three years you're going to have seven and a half dollars a year there after restate for the first three years the original proposal was twenty five dollars initial fifteen dollars reno yes what my proposal is is twenty five dollars for three years renewal fee a fifteen dollars for every two years thereafter all right that's amendment that the our colleague from the first ward here is their support there is not even a motion on the floor ye paste your amendment into this space the amendment twenty five for three fifteen for two all right you've heard the amendment now thrice do it for me asking him to do it three times no it is their support for it in one second here support fort support right now approach that mr city attorney thank you just to clarify what you have before you have before you the adoption of the ordinance the ordinance provides for a fee to be adopted by resolution and we don't have a resolution before you the idea would be it would bring back a resolution at the next before the ordinance takes a fact to be adapted to set those fees and would take this into account but a motion to amend the ordinance would would not work here and your honor if i may just of the permit which is part of what mike's amendment addresses so i think it seems to me there's two issues in there so maybe in terms of the language in the ordinance all right believe counselor whiteman would like to offer an idea here well you know i appreciate dave bringing that up just in and for what it's worth i think you heard me say last week i'm inclined to consider  registration and no fee whatsoever considering that we take dogs to other properties we don't require permits for cats and other animals but specific to point number eight i don't know why we would run in issuance say specifically to april thirtieth i don't know if that concurs with a particular date  for us or whatnot but if somebody is getting into the hobby and they come in on march one and we're going to make them go through this process where shortening their window that just doesn't seem to make sense to me when we could in fact say well that that permit was issued on this date just like a building permit and would have an experience twelve months down the road or three years down the road i'm struggling to grasp that one a little bit and i know there's likely amendments coming or what not but you know those are the things that jump out to me and if in fact it is a resolution that we address some of these things in a more formal nature down the road i'm fine with that but that one doesn't seem to make much but yeah i was did a lot of reading on this this week and a lot of thinking to get holland is a place of milk and honey but maybe not know john cleese has been involved with bees for fifty years or probably even longer beekeeping looks like a fascinating fun hobby but i think we have to consider some other things not  or whatever they might happen to be so you know i think we have to think about that that not everybody is excited about this particular ordinance as you might be secondly the proposed ordinance was n supported by the planning commission two thirds of the people who were present there voted against it were not feeling comfortable with it and i think that's a consideration we need to look at number three our present ordinance covers agricultural areas up to four acres roughly ninety percent of a football field so we're talking about ninety percent of a football field times four is a pretty big area we're talking about reducing that down to too high perhaps within a fifty foot by a hundred thirty two foot ordinance the ordinance also does not qualify any special setbacks for areas like parks school playgrounds picnic areas hype addressed traffic areas which is a recommendation of the state agricultural guidelines and that seems to just the ordinance has no qualifiers concerning the wishes of adjacent neighbors and their wish to perhaps want a backyard a patio deck sandbox a swimming pool without having a nearby you just can't set up a no fly zone for us if you're having your iced tea back there that's not the way it now i believe that there is room for in an urban setting i'm not sure that i do think however that the current ordinance is written perhaps la needed qualifiers that would protect they would protect people and the beekeeper neighbors in a better way and i would prefer to see these questions of beekeeping referred back to a committee for additional thoughts with renewed having a duration of two years all right i will not be in favor of this motion for a host of reasons one of which is i think we're trying to get into administrative activities for which we are not well suited i don't know of any other many other forms or permits that we have sort of a differentiating scale between the initial term versus a renewal term i just think we're adding administrative burden it seems to me we set a fee for an annual permit or a bi annual permit and we leave it at that but that's not what the motion is for that's what that what the amendment is on the amendment we're going to call the roll on the amendment only clear as mud place called little  comes to us related to article four of our quote of ordinances chapter thirty three one dash thirty seven dealing with our payment in lieu of taxes ordinance and there's a proposed amendment to it i suspect we're going to want to bit of an introduction on this one as the  on this issue is first addressed at our may twenty second special meeting of the council where we considered a project that reindeers is doing out of apple dorn to construct  eventually agreed according to the minutes to put in a plan that would increase this to a six percent level in three year increment there were some misunderstanding on my part in that and i asked our city attorney to draft an ordinance that would allow for a phase in over what i understood to be the period of time and he did that later we reviewed the minutes and realized that it should have been a phase in as council approved at that meeting of one to three four to six seven to nine and ten through twelve to get to that six percent level universe only one of the drafts appeared in correctly in your packets and so that it appeared at last and although the council report said the phase in is at  a three year increment getting to that six percent level yet your thirteen that's not what was in your packets so tonight we are asking council to  and it is this an amendment by the way was put on the on the agenda for first reading at the at our august seventh meeting and subsequently we discovered that the incorrect draft had been included in the referrals therefore we are asking council tonight to amend the ordinance incorporating changes with the phasing schedule as approved by the council on may the twenty second and the other component of that is that after discussing this matter with the folks arrangers that we include a sunset provision that hit  original bid language at thirty five years and extend that to thirty seven years so i don't know if everybody's completely confused so far but what we were asking counsell do tonight is to amend the ordinance incorporating the changes described with the phase in two with three year cycle as described originally in the minutes of may twenty second so that by the year thirteen it would be at a full six right and they that the red line showing the difference is on page fifty seven of the packet that's correct so what i'm asking counsel to do as this was addressed in the prior council meeting on ordinance to allow for this project to go forward as can also prefers it will allow the pilot payment which is based on a percentage of the rounds to be paid in lieu of taxes a payment of taxes that would have a phase in from four percent in years one through three four point five percent in years four through six of five percent in years seven through nine in five point five percent in years ten through twelve  yes when we talked about this last time i remember we voted on it and if i recall there are other properties in a similar situation that have a maximum four percent that is correct  s not so this approval is just the sound of up the train chain to the state as a right actually it's my understanding that the residents would have no change in the amount of money that they pay that and go forward to the state there's been applications filed and in your packets there is a letter that was given to the developers who are here tonight and they can be asked some questions as well and that indicates that  they were requested to submit more information regarding the commitment phase so it was certainly a signal that this project had a favorable review so far it certainly was not a specific commitment for it but we felt like it would be appropriate for us to move forward and ask counsel to make this memo to the pilot or other questions for  yes mr city manager please i want to bring your i'd like to remind marin council that in the last discussion there was some to information provided about how other communities are as much as ten percent city has been good evening and welcome tom hagen i represent incorporated and first of all the most important thing that we'd like to do is thank you for considering the ordinance and getting to this point with this but in relationship to the proposed amendment tonight i guess i just need to tell you the effect that that has on the project itself correct something that was just mentioned the fact that it doesn't affect the tenants is not true the money to support all of the funds that go through the project come from the tenant so it doesn't come directly from the developer comes from the tenants that's that's how business works so there will be some effect ultimately on the tenants the effect of this change relatively minor the state gives us a pro forma that they use a twenty year pro forma that they use in order to rate these things we plug these numbers into the pro  forma our calculation of the difference to the city is about four thousand dollars over this twelve to fifteen year period that we're talking about the ultimate effect on the twenty year pro forma that we plug this number into ends up with an additional debt of hundred seventy thousand dollars to the property which that has to carry then going forward and the reasons for that are because of the of the way the financing is is layered there's just a soft second mortgage that gets paid off from surplus cash flow and there's a lot of complicated stuff that goes into that but that does have an effect is it going to shoot down the project no it's not  create some likelihood of some extra debt load in the future yes it definitely will the magic with the fifteen years when we talked about that at the first meeting at which you approved this was that there is a fifteen year period for the tax credits that happens and my recollection after leaving that meeting was that we had all agreed that this would be phased in over that fifteen year period because that was the period for the tax credits the mayor made some comments in sort of negotiating this thing all together with all of you that that's about once every three years and i think perhaps that's the reason that it got into the motion the way it got in i don't know i couldn't tell you that but when i left the meeting my clear feeling was that everyone thought that you would phase that in over fifteen years we asked the question when we first heard about that sent an email and ask about that phasing period our answer was well i have to go back to the mayor and find out what his understanding of the of the issue was we came to the first reading and the first reading came out at the fifteen years who we thought well that's the settlement of it then a couple days ago we got this change in the information so again i don't mean this to be we're not trying to squeeze another four thousand dollars out of you at all we just want you to know what all the facts are we're very grateful for what you're giving us we haven't made the cut this is a stance oblique to go before the board of directors of the michigan state housing development authority in september and again they haven't made the final decision on that but we did make the first cut they're not going to announce the winners until the end of this month so we can't i can't guarantee you that this is a done deal but we're very confident that the thing's going to happen the effect on us is pretty large the effect on the city would be small we would ask that you go with the original language that you had  before you do and the way i understand the amendment would be that section thirty three point one dash three four would be amended so that the items one two three four and five would have a shorter  term the where it currently says years currently mean what was on the first reading says one through four it would be one through three the next category would be four through six seven through nine ten through twelve and number five there would be after year after year twelve for those various percentages and then you have a second amendment before you that would be section thirty three point one dash thirty seven which would extend the duration from thirty five to thirty seven years and so you what you need to do is vote on the motion to a man and if that passes then afterwards would be a motion to adopt the ordinance either as amended or as originally propose ok so my thought was that we just simply offered up a motion for today because there's nothing on the table if there's nothing on the floor at this particular point correct but it was it was brought on for first reading so you  it's the same thing we did we don't have anything on the right exactly but we're having the same problems before so let's we have a problem ok on the floor at this particular moment so kindly have maybe they have the best but it is just withdraw your recommend recommended changes in section thirty three point one dash thirty four thirty three point one dash thirty seven all right ok i'm not giving more specific than there are enough is there support for that portion supported by de bar ok now discussion really on the amendment please mike please simple question why changing it i fully understood the fifteen years i don't i really don't have a problem with the extension from thirty five to thirty seven but i don't know why we're collapsing this period as opposed to the fifteen so i believe that staff interpreted the minutes from our discussion from that previous meeting in such a way that that that they're there suggesting that what they're giving us tonight is the accurate reflection of our conversation from a month ago so i think that they would they would probably say to you they're not so much recommending something but they're trying to reflect what what they view our discussion as being from a month ago or from me effect all right other comments which of the two is talking about more revenue for the city on one of these day amendment would provide additional revenue for the city and i guess what bothers me about this is tax abatements galore that we help industry and it seems to me that this particular project is going to bring jobs not only in the building process but in the other discussion well i'm going to vote against the amendment my recollection and i will confess that the finance director did email me sometime after our discussion trying to figure out what exactly i was talking about and i'm not exactly sure said to what extent i responded to his e mail but my recollection of our discussion was that we were looking at a fifteen year window and this is essentially a thirteen year window so  like mike am fine with moving in from thirty five to thirty seven because i believe that's actually at the request of the well the biggest thing for me is the spending over fifteen versus over thirteen so i will be voting against this amendment and that's where i'm at on it all right every other state we're voting on yes constable and i just had a comment for clarification purposes lest it be overlooked this is not necessarily a three twenty eight or a one ninety eight but it certainly is a tax mechanism to the advantage of the developer it is a break in essence it is not by any means just a capture by the  city trust me if mr is involved it usually means some sort of collaborative effort with the developer to make the project more financially feasible for everybody involved and for us it's just a mechanism that we get to kind of throw a blessing not capturing the full tax value here by any stretch and so i just wanted to add that point of clarification yes we do abatements frequently yes this will bring jobs yes we're all excited about this all right voting on the amendment only please call now that i did include the thirty seven up there to know what we approved last week or two weeks ago at first reading was the thirty five in black then i would like to make an amendment a motion to amend the extension from thirty five to thirty seven years for the sunset right that is in the form of a motion from our coll support for it support supported by de boer is there discussion on this particular matter let me ask a real hopefully what is a simple question and tim you may stay for your am thirty five to thirty five or the thirty seven year period result in in essence additional revenue for the city which one of those t seven years from thirty five all right so we have the amendment before us any further discussion on that all right a yes vote on this amendment takes thirty seven no vote keep it at thirty five the final amendments and final questions any final comments please call the ro can hear what you have to say name in residential address for the record you have up to five minutes to address the council the microphone is open good evening mr burns good morning good afternoon good evening my name's tory burns and i live at sixty one wylie court been out many boards with and holland i consider holland the biggest asset that elegant county has to be honest with you and always has been there generates more money for the county it also generates  business it's just a very well run community it always has been even when i was a kid i used to come over here that has nothing to do what i want to do and i'm not going to get one of that stuff i just want to tell you what you know i'm doing this and i'll be back later  questions the government starts to me anyway started right here you did it right now or for me ordinances townships don't counties don't do ordinances we tried to do it before it doesn't work and states don't do ordinances in chambers tonight and talking with us and also talking to all the folks who view these meetings and you'd be surprised you will be surprised how many people watch these meetings at home or on a computer somewhere so yeah i i i know that and like i said before  you thanks for being here tonight microphone is still open for anyone who cares to address council under item twelve all right seeing none we will then move along down to an item that was removed from the consent agenda fourteen a one day like town franchise agreement with the board of public works mr coster perhaps a very brief introduction of this particular item it is now yeah i think very brief  you know i i know the council's been through this item multiple times there's not a lot to talk about in terms of the specifics other than to say that you know we're happy that now we have a franchise ordinance from lake town town that is uniform as uniformity with the other townships and you know really were here to celebrate the fact that those customers of lake town township that came forward and made their wishes known are going to be able to continue to be customers of the b p w the board john i took action to accept the franchise from lake town and so we want to make sure that the council also would follow suit with that approved by the mayor pro tem supported by council member whiteman is there discussion please i will just merely say that i echo everything that dave just said you know it's been a long process but here's the end of the here's what we know the end of the day all of the customers who had power will continue to have b p that the power at the end of the day we have franchises in place with all of our township customers and as we go into the bonding market for the new power plant that we're about to build we can represent to those people who are interested in purchasing these bonds that we have a not only a stable supply of electricity but a stable supply of customers as well and that these customers will be with us for a long time there were some rocky moments obviously but a year from now five years from now when a years from now nobody will remember those things what they'll remember is that the b p w provides a great service at a great price please call the  all right turning to page two then we have a couple of items another one remove from consent fourteen eat two point one the small and big skate park park hours was taken off consent maybe mr city manager you would just give us the briefest of introductions on this item yes as council no you've worked the police department is work to city manager robinson and our parks and recreation department has worked on smaller parks specifically skate park it is recommended that an addition to other measures taken the city council's approved that we limit the hours to close at ten pm open at eight a m we have a staff in place that will make those changes in the gates with your permission and it is understood that this is by resolution that means that should the council wish to broaden or shorten those timeframes or that geographical area that will be fairly simple to do at any subsequent meeting questions for st to when they were moved from downtown the neighborhood is not negatively affected in i think for the course that you're taking here where you are discriminating against a certain group of  i would like to point out that you might like to be aware that there are other groups that cause concern and problems in a neighborhood but we deal with it year after year day after day week week after week and we get along as good neighbors and allow some freedoms what you're talking here is taking away freedoms because there's possibly been some complaints about activities that somebody doesn't like i'll give specifics hope college basically cause problems for the neighborhood and there's no one coming down and hope college as this specific group well maybe they will have to maybe we will have to maybe you'll have to if you're going to tackle a few kids that might be unruly to your way of thinking we might have to clamp down on whole college i'll give a couple examples in a past couple weeks and it's goes on year after year either in six years and i know previous to six they have summer programs camps for different things to extend use of the campus there's a lot of noise and activity from some of these camps after ten o'clock there has been this year there was last year there's a rep coming up where they practice across the street in the same within a block or a few feet from where you're talking about the skate park there is constant five to six weeks of shouting above the desk allowance and of the laws of the city etc and we work these things out without passing new laws as control freaks sometimes you just have to let things slide and just work as neighbors on accepting some things you don't have to stomp on somebody or make new rules take away freedoms i don't understand this is america this isn't north korea if you folks want to do stuff like this and get strict a group of people there might be some neighbors that  long with you and we might ask and force restrictions on some things that you don't want to do because that's the law so i'd like you to think of that as you go and not discuss this to thank you thank you anyone else on this site all right we have a motion before us to approve the resolution as present there was mention upstairs and more discussion upstairs the initial conversation that we had with the neighbors in the area that brought this to our attention was the concern of just blocking off the park or the skate park at ten o'clock and what was going to happen after that point where people were going to migrate what sort of thing and we had talked about at one point a closure of the park being small number of park not just the skate park but up the park at ten o'clock or whatever was determined  at this point so that we can have some more discussion i'm going to hold off on a proposed pop it's been a long night a possible amendment to that i'd like to hear some more discussion along that line  any other discussion at this point not a lot of discussion to be had so we turn back to you at this point then listening to the neighbors in the area our public safety and the people that use the park i would like to propose an amendment that we close the entire park the entirety of a small number of park between the hours of  right you have heard the proposed amendment is there support for it support for that bozeman all right the matter fails for lack of support so we are left with the original motion which is to approve the resolution as proposed and final discussion welcome brandon is working on this project in relation to trust fund grants as well for the communities benefit he is a temporary consulting simon for the city is on ok an early july city or request for a statement of qualifications from potential planning consultants to rewrite the city's parks and rec master plan it is currently set to expire in two thousand and fifteen however in order to apply for state funding for grants such as the michigan national resources trust fund we would like to get the ball rolling on this early and we have also several other park goals that we would like to enter into that plan as well and the scope of services that's attached to your agenda for tonight it's in letter goals and objectives there's about thirteen part goals that we have outlined that we would like  to work on one of them being lakeview school evaluating what type of needs and what type of things we would like to do in that area also addressing attentional dog park or dog implementation moran park potentially adding pickle ball where the shuffleboard courts were or potentially adding pickle ball and other areas of the city gardens making sure that we have our plan for the trails and the connecting bridge to how in township in order to apply for state funding for that and there's a few other goals in there you like to read those we received two beds one of them from edgewater resources and the amount of twenty eight thousand eight hundred and planning resources and the amount of forty thousand three hundred seventy eight dollars and the recommendation is that council accept the low bid from edgewater resources and this will come from the capital projects budget know having spent a bit of time working with edgewater on previous projects and i know a few others around the table have as well but i only speak for myself high talent and i value exceptional other jay flees repeaters just remembering not our last tour of city facilities but one of them about a year ago twenty second street but was many of the things you mentioned i mean it's hugely time timely and as i listen to you rattle off the things that we're going to think about dream about hopefully implement a few of those things this is a great resources for the city that we're going to improve and continue to like about them is is their emphasis on water the way they take problems and use them as a catapult to a better idea that they would never have had in the first place so their creativity  really energizing and so i can't wait to see what they do with even same old parks as a way to make it mark citing for the public and and more twenty first century so should be great and i so appreciate their lower saying it's still great so i think we have to really really concentrate on maintaining and improving what we have all right is a manager just like to say kind of stands to reason but this approval will be subject to the document being approved as a form by the city attorney it's an agreement as well as authorizing the mayor and city clerk to execute the agreement and keep in mind we have to have this you know the sort of plan in place to even submit grants you just don't submit for these kinds of grants that we're looking at and say hey we'd like to do something it has to be contained within the city's park plan which is why we do this and the reason that we've got some we're trying to get ahead of the game because we have some fairly major grants we're going to be looking at in the very near future of grants for applying for in the very near future with that please call the roll birch yes yes white men yes it's easy to d c four point two there we go and automatic mutual aid agreement between the city of holland and holland charter township a very brief introduction of this please i'm not sure who would handle it best  services this is an enhancement of a currently existing mutual aid agreement exist between departments in ottawa county and will allow us to assign predetermined units and personnel to geographic locations have been identified between the township in the city  the history of this is as evolved over time we've all identified problems and shortages that we have during certain types of incidents and incidents that occur in certain geographical areas was also studied a great length during have moved by through a supported by de boer all right any discussion on this particular item so i technically cannot remove items from consent but i leaned over to the tem and asked him to remove it because i wanted to just say a couple of brief comments about this particular item you know obviously collaboration and cooperation especially in the governmental world is a hot topic right now and it's been a substantial push of the state of michigan and i think rightly so and we have a long list that was started by my predecessor in this office efforts that we've done to collaborate one of the big areas however in our budget and one of the big areas where we have had perhaps less collaboration than what we might like to see is in the area of some of our public safety services and we went through a police and fire study seems like every year for about five years and i can only imagine what chief masters thinking because it was a whole lot more often on his plate than on mine but nonetheless we all have a pretty good understanding that the way we provide fire services in the city of holland differs greatly from the way that most of our jurisdictional neighbors and others in the holland area provide fire services to their  residents and this seemed to me seems to me to be one of those areas where we can provide better service if we find ways to collaborate and work together in many ways and this is a step in that direction will ultimately lead to some sort of joint or unified department who knows but what we do know is that we're moving in this direction which will provide great benefit to the city additional resources equipment and manpower for some commercial fires that we may hopefully won't have but in the case that we do we'll have  more more resources on site more quickly and for our township neighbors they get some enhanced protections as well so it's a step in that direction to assist in our collaboration efforts and i'm wholeheartedly for it and i think once again we in this part of the state of michigan can take pretty good pride that we we really do try to do this collaboration thing hard in a heartfelt manner and we probably are further down the pike with collaboration efforts than what you may find in other parts of michigan so kudos to the city manager kudos to the township manager kudos to you know public safety personnel of both departments and my hope is that this works well and in a few years will say why don't we do more of these kinds of things pl tax abatement that's one hundred percent abatement machinery and equipment are looking to invest seven point four million in new equipment at their holland facility and there into suppurating that they'll create over eighty new jobs as a result of this investment this is technically the state considers that there's an open it's not a new p a three twenty eight although the request is new to us the state according to their laws regulations this would be added must be added to an open three twenty eight abatement so it's not an entirely new abatement but because there are two abatement currently open for hayworth one in two thousand and four and one in two thousand and ten so our recommendation is that this be added to the open two thousand and ten abatement which will be in fact in effect until i think it's december thirty two thousand and twenty two which is which will mean really two heyworth it will be a nine year abatement rather than the typical twelve that you approve so the recommendation is that you adopt a resolution approving the p a three twenty eight tax abatement for this investment of seven point four million for hayworth and that the investment be added to the open heyworth two thousand and ten p a three twenty eight abatement thank you mr robinson  part of the reason we took this off is because hayworth is a client of the firm with which i am associated so as is our procedure i would asked to be recused from this particular vote please how exciting seven point four million as an addition to an existing business that that is a huge investment and eighty jobs wonderful and what an amazing show piece for our community when we have visiting writers from out east who want to see what's going on here or we have american bloom judges or whomever hayworth is a great partner and as such wonderful sustainable things just such a blessing to us to have hayworth in the community and being a faithful employer and innovative business i'm just very grateful for the roots that they have had in this community and their willingness to continue to invest here and maybe even close plants and other places to expand here and so we're very grateful for their partnership and their presence and their yes mayor pro tem motion passes you're on but takes us down to item number fifteen communications from the city manager this evening two items one i want to talk a little bit about holland your connections a little bit of the back story and also about and the disaster assistance the city was will be looking to apply for first we're going to miss these t shirts around town you've seen them and college park is a huge beneficiary of the work that the youth did and it would not have been possible the second team that worked for the schools without the benefit of the anonymous do talking about benefit if council supports i would like to use a variety of venues over the next six to nine months working in concert with escape ministries city staff youth themselves police chief nasser and others too explain the story i first learned of a similar story from herman miller they have the herman miller academy and it's not too dissimilar from what we did here over the summer and it occurs to me that if you should there be fifty employers that also would benefit from having several youth around that could be mentored could do things that and and work through a variety of mechanisms we've now established to provide meaningful occupation for at risk youth in a way that is only going to do a world of good for all involved think storm the eighth largest rainfall in this area in the last hundred years has led to an application for reimbursement for thirty eight thousand dollars of damages twenty five thousand of which is sort of public works  in line for by virtue of the fact that you approved a hazard mitigation plan last november like king county planned with individual special sections dealing with each communities needs our plan was written by i think john line for potentially some flooding mitigation efforts creation's some other activities associated perhaps with the central corridor or as well as sixteenth street that will benefit us long term should we have more storms like  that that's a good thing if we get approved we have to put out a notice of intent it provides seventy five percent of the funding the city would need to provide the other twenty five percent so there's a multi step process notice of intent is the first we will keep you sort of opportunity i can't believe that we'd want to divest ourselves completely of having these students do work in the city but it certainly would seem to me a great opportunity to  have a number of students imbedded in different organizations and companies around town even broaden that experience i think i made a comment that my hope would be that we could double the amount of students next year we'll use a goal of fifty years a lot more up you know optimistic because that's what willie does but i think we've seen the value of this kind of esp in this program and  i report tonight from me of course as always the city of holland dot com is your location for information about what's happening in the city of holland information about how to get a hold of the members of council as well as senior city staff and a lots of other sorts of information about the city everything from meeting minutes and agendas and background packets to building permit forms and information about tax assessed value for properties and all that kind of stuff i would encourage anyone before to come down to the building and if they want to first poke around on the web site chances are pretty good you can save yourself a trip though of course if you want to come and visit us are happy to have that as well we had a woman to bore  forbes list of the top fifteen prettiest places in the country it's sort of one of those things that you never know that you're even in contention for these kinds of things until you see the magazine or till someone sends you a link to the online version of the magazine so we're pleased to be on it's and i think it validates a lot of what we do and what we value in this community and that is the sense of place making there's a big push in you know simple circles especially to try and make a community itself unique in itself sometimes the place making gets a bad rap because it's trying to fix things to a community that don't really fit who it is but they try to make themselves unique the best place making happens when the uniqueness of a community comes through and i think that's what we've tried to do to attain here in holland and that's largely what we do we are who we are and we value certain kinds of things and one of those things is beautiful public spaces whether they're publicly owned or public spaces in private hands so nice to be on that list the other one that we have had some notoriety for is james fallows and his wife deborah are touring the country i don't think that it's  necessarily by accident that really they're going over what is typically referred by our coastal friends as flyover country they're touring it by their own airplane they were small single engine kind of airplane so they're flying to various locations primarily throughout the middle part of the united states and they began their their journey here in holland and there have been a series of blog post for the atlantic on line magazine about their interactions with people here in holland and i think we keep hoping that there's going to be a couple of more they allude to them in some of their postings but they were here for probably the better part of five five or six days i had the opportunity to sit down with them for a couple of hours and talk a lot about things in this community it's history where we think we're going why w e think we've been successful the challenges we face and all those sorts of things so it it's been an interesting experience and a good experience to see someone's reflection and observation about your own town as they come in visit and really  get a sense of who you are and i think they they've captured a pretty good sense of who we are one little story is right before we sat down for our discussion they had taken a tour of the hayworth company there in part of the factory but also gone through the headquarters building let me just say it was a good position to be and to follow the hayworth to work if you want to explain what this community is about and we're not just about you know flowers and wooden shoes and tourism but we're about serious industry and serious commerce in the economy tougher to get that point across easier to get their point across if they just come from touring a place like hayworth so stay tuned for that and hopefully face that we really have had a deep sense of values in this community and like you said that they appreciate our industry in the by the way it's been developed and the hardworking people which are our greatest resource in this area that people mean what they say and show up to work and and do their best to build a strong economy here and that is just great to be a part of i forgot to say last meeting that holland bloom judges were here at the beginning of august and we had two at the beginning down to one one day later because of a family medical emergency but they were very positive about their time here and really loved being here were very impressed the judge that stayed the duration had never been here before it had been only coast to coast so i guess in never been to the midwest so she was really wowed with life in the  midwest so hopefully she takes that back and we will not find out until the america in bloom conference which happens about mid september in orlando florida so we'll see when they open that envelope what happens here and also the labor day board walk is coming on labor day it starts at eight a m i know mike is excited about this it starts over by hines and sixteenth street and we go all along the boardwalk through beautiful collin park and all that is wonderful with the water all the way to win the island gardens to the pavilion there for breakfast served by many city staff and volunteers we'd love to hear from you if you'd like to be one of those volunteers we serve pancakes and juice in coffee five dollars for adults three dollars for children and under three free it is such a great way to walk or run or pogo stick or whatever it is you like to do all the way to win the island gardens it's about a three point nine mile walk and it is gorgeous so hope to see a lot of you out there then excellent and handing it right off  to her colleague on the left hand side council member make sure that we please well one of the reasons i'm so excited about your walk is because you're walking right by another event that's happening on that day yes and that is called the labor day truck parade and i think it's best said by the website which by the way you can go to by truck parade dot org get more information but it said make some noise for the businesses and workers of west michigan bring your family your plugs and appetite for big trucks ice cream and hotdogs give a few hours of your labor day to honor this and celebrate the local workforce which is built one of the best places to live in the entire country and as was said earlier i think we've just reinforced that so starting at nine fifteen a m in the city is elan on the far east and we will be sending the trucks and i'll tell you what registration is closed right now only because we got no more room so as quick as the  renovations can come to the civic center i'd appreciate it because we get a bigger parking lot we get more trucks and we've got sixty sixty trucks right now all different sizes straight trucks tractor trailers double sets and there will be a center they will be parked and you have a chance to walk around talk to the drivers and see what has made this community so fantastic the entrepreneurial spirit the workforce that we're so well known for the companies that support us let's support them everybody show up go on your walk in the morning but then come to the real show i'm sorry just getting them to the come to the truck parade starting off a nine does the island we should be heading town down town hall and about a quarter to ten or so and we'll be going to one thirty in the morning come on come one come all and bring your plugs because it will be loud until noon pancake breakfast sponsored or through the lions club young eagles club opportunity for aircraft tours a good time for a great cause conference that enthusiasm all these great projects as the liaison for the human relations commission however i'd like to bring up and put a bug in your ear to try to be open minded in the next week human relations commission is going to make a proposal to city council we have searched out to different people for our part time employees and neither of them has worked out and that commission is going to talk to you about perhaps redefining that position i'd like the idea of collaboration maybe an idea but i'd like you to keep your mind open to the possibility of making it a full time position some of us were at the ruth and wayne coleman  group that was here i think was very very impressed with our community and the support that we have the warmness that they were accepted with thank you non profit definitely nonprofit all the money that's raised stays in this community this year the goal was ten thousand dollars for camp bluebird i think i'm saying the right match which is a respite for cancer patients and their families weekend out at camp geneva well this community stepped up to the plate and exceeded that goal up to i was told sixteen thousand dollars or so and this is just a grassroots effort we're hoping to get  the organizers are hoping to get a west michigan chapter organized a little bit better than what it was at this point and if i know this community they're going to stand behind it the greater community holland zeal and helen township all the townships  very very worthwhile cause led by our public safety police and fire all over the community so very worthwhile very well attended and  it's things like this that make me make me more proud to be part of this community sort of another yes ok not to continue like a need to show but i was that was great pink heels and all the people that showed up for that and you know it's whenever police and fire get behind something it's never a little effort it's like go big or go home and that was really exciting to see and the heart of everyone he was was wonderful and also for the youth connections program i just think it is such a great simple way  to help high school kids that are that to see how they can make a real contribution to the world and that there aren't only high school age people in the world i think when you're in high school everything is other high schoolers and you can be so in that world that you can't see beyond it and so having a youth connections program with the city and with industry and other businesses the students that have been involved  similar programs like with herman miller and efforts with the mayors roundtable have said wow it i never had any idea that those kind of things were involved in business and that there's more to work th i thought when i do assignments in school and and it just really opens their eyes to what could be the potential for my life and it's not just going to stop at a desk in high school and so it is amazing the power of the changing of a perspective of a student when you can help them be a part of a business and an internship level or be a part of the city work or wherever where they can make constructive additions to what adults are doing in adults are listening to them and giving them credibility and and camaraderie and that is just so critical for students at that stage in their lives and so i think it's an amazing a great effort and people may not realize how important it is because it can seem so so simple to build relationships as adults with students but the power of a mentor in a child's life can be so life changing and it's not just that student it will be that student's family and the extended family that comes from generations of that student so it's really an investment in the future of the community when we invest in these students in business and in the city and wherever we can grow this youth future movement so please industry listen and also come alongside and let's make a real difference in the high schoolers in this area and as we have as we said with so many things we know charity has no territory that we don't we have a regional charitable philanthropic give back to others to last a few here and it doesn't stop at the city line and that is so exciting when you see those kind of efforts and so i am really grateful for ryan are your work day for your suggestion and for escape ministries willian and his leadership and enthusiasm that has made such a difference in the lives of these students right thank you any other members of council we do have a couple of appointments that we need to take care of first j michael t merge into the teen court board as a representative of a kind of bar association with a term expiring july thirty twenty fifteen and also bethany beckman to the holland historic district commission three year term expiring june one of twenty sixteen i would place those before you for your consideration and hopefully approval moved by the mayor pro tem supported by for through in a discussion on them all in favor please say aye i suppose the same that passes any other motions and resolutions this evening seeing none we no longer have another we took every special closed session meeting before the council meeting correct there's nothing else to go into closed session for two other items i believe that was hopeful on my part so so we are going to be going to close session still for what purpose for the review of legal opinions is a correct and land acquisition ok we have heard the request of the city manager and the as made also by the city attorney's office and has tried to be avoided by  me to go into closed session for those purposes stated we will not come out after and take any action correct be the last items of the evening correct very well we have the recommendation is there a motion move support supported by de boer any discussion on these closed session requests seeing none please call public is concerned thank you for watching have a good