improvements so although most of the infrastructure is in place in phase two they're going to be paving i think this week come this weekend face to roadway fourteen lots like i side over the years there are the time of this proposed development been a number of times where it has been comments and being said references made to bury way connected you know i know tonight as we're sitting there hearing the words temporary cul de sac it's not cul de sac that stands out it's temporary stands out and residents over there i think are understandably justifiably concerned that something be done to make it there is a consensus right now although i respect his wishing to preserve the notion of possibly connected and that's exactly the thing that my clients and the residents over in the woodlands section are concerned about is exactly that language of it's temporary we still think it's a good idea to do it and and you know frankly there's been a fight a couple times and from the council already has ended with council saying no we want connected now two things look i never received that letter number exactly right next to ted taylor's development so i want i'd never received that letter for tonight's meeting stating that face to the road would not go through probably six seven months ago maybe even longer says we'll put that road through when we put that road through so he's now the council members voted for to not to put that road through with the condition they gave mr taylor thirty five and twenty five foot setbacks with the condition no road goes through those setbacks are permanent so you put the road through when all the houses are built so he's going to have to move his peter's i couldn't get a thirty five  neighborhood you have i would say thirty foot setbacks it's a woodland that there are a lot chadwick estates is considered agriculture they're allowed to have very good setback because when you take the common area of the agriculture you take  you know those setbacks were granted on the condition that no road goes through so the setbacks are permanent can you change of setbacks once the once the the how the homes  and the the setbacks ever get changed you know that's all i'm just saying is there was a council looked at it obviously it wasn't some some people it might be emotional  impersonal as i can tell there are some there are some buzz around peters about how some members took it personally that we got the decision that we wanted and that's all that's all i'm that came in after the council proved the variance with the condition of no connection so if it does end up in the future if there's a connection is going to be a lawsuit and here i am as a taxpayer i'm going to be paying for your attorneys and whoever else to fight this again in the future i don't want to be there secondly as part of this plan you do need to have on the other side being the woodlands side you need to have appropriate traffic control the show that is a as a dead end street it doesn't show now i mean there are in the dark of night anyone can just drive right up through and over the hump for wheeling it yet so there is standards and that has standards to design appropriate signing and no outlet type of devices so i would recommend that as part of consideration be sure if there's no white or anything and then i haven't seen a landscape plan for this phase is there i'm assuming there is one yes so there would be they'll be a little mound a mound in some shrubs on the end of the cut in the right away at the will be a individuals why whenever landscaping they want to put on there is to the wall look i said it's like a two to one slope so there's not mean that there's quite a bit of trees that were knocked down to get to get hey this is a lot subdivision on c and it trail mr shetty who's here tonight owns the property mr share these properties two point three five acres he wants to subdivide at two point three five on the property stone organize single family residential half acre lot minimum he can meet all those requirements in create this additional new law to reshape the property is part of the garment plan of peter's township back in july of two thousand recorded the recorded garment plant had a condition on it that restricts further subdivision that restriction was placed on there because when batchelder he provided the township a letter saying that he has no problem no objection to mr shetty trying to create this lie so we have the other property owner in the garden play and saying don't have a problem with the subdivision so the thing that we have is the point zero seven acres of open space obligation that we did two thousand and we have another point zero seven acre open space of the gate with the new light that mr rashid he wants to create so it's plenty staffs recommendation is to lift that condition because the property owner doesn't have a problem with the subdivision shetty would pay the open space fee for not of the not only the laws that he would like to create but for the laws that we waive the open space before so that condition number eight on my recommendation to the commission which would total work to a four thousand four hundred eighty dollars open space fee that would need to be paid if it was approved it would need to be paid before we would release the plane to be recruited to create the new law so with that planning staffs recommending approval of the rashidi plan with the eight conditions listed in my memo november s correctly this is just in an area that was not included in our southern traffic souther transportation service area and we had to do that because the way the m d c could only do so over the seven square mile so planning staffs recommending the planning commission recommended council that we have proved this machete plan with the conditions listed in my report subdividing at that time it was just very arousing been subdivided in just one of those things but i can certainly understand that there's a fee that goes along with the subdivided halls of the standard thing and i don't have a problem with that i and you know i think that anywhere else in the township if somebody is opening one lot they would pay the one seed now what happened five years before my time and why they decided way that fee and and hopefully with the money that i generate that it will allow me to do more things that would help i would think help the township in that area because my house sits six feet from the  there because there had been another furniture store in there and we were told it did very well on down so on and so once we got in there now the problem became we were getting an enormous amount of phone calls from people they couldn't find and so we went back to the landlord and we started saying well you know we've what can we use as a reference so we used even even park in our ads saying across the street from eaton park and that didn't really help us because the way the shops or we're we're a separate entity sitting back here and like we said in t v and stuff in front so it's not so bad coming like from pittsburgh but it's coming this way that you can't see us and the signage is worse in the summer on the with the trees and that but to tell you what we did do is unbeknownst to us in the beginning when we were there you can get a temporary sign put up there for two weeks i think you've got seven times you can do that during the year and our business head it's drupal every time we put the sign every single time we've done that it makes a dramatic difference in doing that because quite frankly we were talking to them to actually get out of our lease intil we start using the temporary sign and then that just let it because we're actually were putting we're we're asking to put a permanent sign is because of the line egypt something where you can't go so close to the curb whatever this the the where we're proposing is approximately right there i mean exactly they're the exact same square footage that we're asking because we got the ok he said ok you can try to get it by at just you can see can't see it come from either way until you get in front of the store and there's trees and bushes in front store and you can see it when you get there but really this is kind of really a last resort for us as far as doing this because just that temporary sign seven times a year for two weeks isn't cutting sound there is that what if they were there it's just it's you mean for the center