that because it's been i want to read you this part of the statute and see how you think what this says differs from what you're targeting from statute or house ethics define me i am reading from the rules of the house that is that got different the scope of official conduct ok ok are you familiar with this yes ok i'll read it a member delegate resident commissioner officer or employee or the house may not receive compensation and may not permit compensation to accrue to is beneficial his or her senate fishel interest from any source  the receipt of which would occur by virtue of influence improperly exerted from his position in congress and then i want to ask another question too and then you can respond insider trading is illegal in this country i  mean we've seen obviously pointed to the most famous case most recently what and maybe i didn't catch the distinction between what you're saying is getting insider information because what would be the difference between getting if i was in my office and  publicly traded company came into my office and told me something and i acted on or my staff member who was there acted on it why is that not illegal now i believe that is illegal now you're mistaken as a matter of fact if information is obtain from inside a company you're de legitimize this point if you get information from inside a company and you make trades based on information coming from inside the company that is illegal if someone gets information based on information coming from inside the congress that is not currently illegal that's what my bill does and that's why this is not a stunt and i would suggest that the gentle lady left on the stake and that i do not believe that's that the reference you cited as a force of law refers to internal house ethics but it's not statutory language with the extra force of law with criminal and civil penalties associated with it unless i'm mistaken now let me further if i may you might say that the generating mention transparency another element of our bill requires the disclosure of who the firms to claw and so far for these political intel firms if you're a lobbyist on capitol hill you have to file forms to disclose your lobbyists are or who your clients are if you're part of a political in sell firm you do not have to file that and you should the reason the gentle lady asked the question why is it not illegal we ask the ethics committee this we ask the f c c this because one of the standard criteria and i don't pretend to be an expert on this but we have consulted with experts it is ambiguous as to whether or not there is a duty of confidentiality extant between members of congress and members of the public when with or or our staff in the public when we debate and discuss information in the process of formulating laws we understand that it is perfectly necessary for members of congress and their staff to engage in dialogue in the course of developing legislation we want to make sure that we don't inadvertently do something stupid which we do plenty of times here we want to try to avoid it so we have to consult with people but when you do that what happens to confidentiality now that is different if you have information from inside a company you know there's going to be a merger or a takeover major product announcement that is closed within the company and you have a duty in fact people sign forms as part of their conditions of employment these are very standard in the industry and you can't divulge that to someone who then makes a trade that does not exist currently for the congress unless the council would tell me that it does if so then i'll stand corrected my best understanding consultation with the  without house ethics and others that does not currently exist now if you think it's acceptable that members of congress and their staff can with impunity give information to someone who then makes a stock or commodity trade and makes millions of dollars before the public has access to the information then i'll also stand corrected but i'll say the public does not see it that way and average investors don't think that somebody inside the sea should be able to make trades before they have public information oh i think to a person we would all rejected the notion that we would accept that it's hope there's some good ideas here and i hope in fact you have the opportunity on the house floor to be able to to be able to pursue them you know i've been saying all throughout the series of hearings that we've had that i think we have to approach this issue of lobby reform and cleaning up his house from two perspectives one is the issue of transparency and accountability and making sure that we have the right laws in place but the second thing is that i think we have to clean up our own house here because a lot of the abuses that have occurred have occurred kind of behind closed doors in a secretive process and a flawed process you know members should have opportunities to read bills members should have an opportunity to to be able to  w who is putting what in the bill and and i think if we if we did that as well i think that would clear up a lot of the problems that we're now we're now faced with so i think  that what would be a really great gesture i think about half of the leadership is also have the rules committee is if this bill were to come to the floor under an open process to allow everybody to be able to element first of all i still would maintain that the house ethics rules are different is that story line is but i would also add this let's assume that the house ethics rules are just on this notion of members trading themselves set aside to my knowledge house ethics do not deal with this issue of sharing information with political intel or logic but let's deal with just internally i would ask the general avian members of this committee what body within this house currently monitors the trading activity of members of congress to see i there or end their staff and families to see if there are correlations between legislative activities or not i'm quite well versed i'm quite well aware of people who have investments and a host of very equities that they vote on reliably now they may or may not be seeking to feather their nests but i would venture i would perhaps someone can light me has there ever been in the last two or three decades a case in which a member of congress was sanction for making trades based on information they have to change in the course of their duty now we have seen we have a member of congress going to jail we have another one a lobbyist just confessed if it's a quarter and it is heading for jail we just learned this is a town where people take advantage of loopholes we deal with billions of dollars here on a reliable basis and if something's not got a bright line saying it's illegal somebody has probably found a way to take advantage of it and what i'm trying to say is close that close that open door and i just i in both sides of the aisle we don't want to do is create a system where you have this you have all this policing about people's personal business you know to make it even less attractive for anybody to want to come down here and serve again you know serving you know it's a privilege to serve here but it should be punitive either i mean and members shouldn't have to feel like they're you know you did pay consciously having somebody investigating you know every financial transaction they make but if i'm sure in the general public i'm familiar with the gentleman who manages a private mutual ground he reports to me that yes report within forty eight hours of making its way right now we're not asking for forty eight hours we're just asking for already day here and you can avoid that if you want to put your money and mutual funds or in a blind trust you don't have to report a trade under our bill and you don't have to report minor trades you just trade over a thousand dollars then you have thirty days to report so that someone can look and say isn't it interesting that congressman or senator x was involved in like well i pray you're also patience i appreciate you bringing some innovative ideas before the committee and i look forward to as i said to the other panels and to the other members of the committee i look forward to a good superpower status for imperialistic gains but as a global provider of security and governmental services to the world is interviewed by a publisher and founder of the european institute juggling rock found michael sunday at six and nine p m eastern on afterwards on c span two afterwards is also available each week as the c span pod cast of government we must guard again the acquisition of unwanted influence whether sought or runs on by the military industrial complex why we fight on the grand jury prize at the two thousand and five sundance film festival and featured karan details sunday on c span q and a more from retired lieutenant colonel on the military industrial complex we need the job those job creation military weapons in order to justify that we have to have a senate's coming in momentarily to continue work on border security and immigration yesterday senator specter offered a judiciary committee substitute which includes a provision for a guest worker program no votes expected today the house is not in session today yesterday they had to reauthorize the higher education bill a seventy billion dollars package reauthorizing perkins loans pell grants and items like that elsewhere in washington the president is not in town he's coming back from can after meetings with them mexican president vicente fox and the leader of canada stephen harper he'll return to the crawford ranch this weekend right now we'll take you live to the senate floor here on c span to us the wisdom to make wise decisions that lead to life and harmony make us quick to listen slow to speak and slow  anger bind us together in one great family with many different opinions but a respect and esteem for each other lead the members of this body toward common ground may they unite their efforts for the good of all so that your will may be done on earth remind us that leadership time is reserved gyrates recognized this present were immediately resuming debate today on the border security measure that is pending yesterday we were only able to complete action on my desire to have more votes yesterday and today we were unable to reach any agreements to allow that to happen but today we do need to make progress on setting up votes for monday we need to put in full nights and days next week to complete the bill and therefore i am prepared to have several votes on monday to begin to process as many amendments as possible and i encourage senators to come to the fore today and monday and use this time for any statements they may have on the border security issue as president so far this week we have had a good debate strong of a robust debate on strengthening our borders and crafting a comprehensive immigration plan everyone agrees that we need to secure our borders that our national security is at stake and we're also in agreement that we need to craft a comprehensive immigration plan that is compassionate reasonable and fair that upholds our in the great tradition without crossing over the line of granting amnesty as i've said before a nation that cannot secure its borders cannot secure its destiny i'm gratified by my colleagues support for  have the department of homeland security collect data on the terrible problem of border crossing fatalities of deaf people crossing the border and they have them but also suggested policies to reduce the number of these tragedies as i've mentioned on the floor over the past decade over three thousand men and women and children families who have died along our borders in many cases because of the brutality and indifference of criminal human smugglers who at first sign of trouble abandoned their human cargo in the desert to suffer and die we have an obligation to protect our our borders but we also have an obligation to protect and preserve the life of every person who sets foot on american soil i'm hopeful that by gathering this information on this tragic problem we can devise the best methods to put an end to it and i'm also certain that as we continue with the larger debate we will be able to craft a comprehensive plan that deals fairly with the eleven to twelve also because granting amnesty now willing courage people in the future to cross the border illegally expecting n s t to be granted every five years or every ten years or every fifteen years it undermines colleagues coming to the floor to offer a variety of ideas and solutions to these problems these challenges i hope that they will have ample opportunity to do just that i said three months ago to three months ago that we would have two weeks in essence two weeks on the floor of the senate to provide opportunity to come and debate and man and whatever bill came to the floor i'm concerned a little bit that we're entering into a courage my colleagues on both sides of the out to come forward so we can have that debate and we can have that and then we can have those votes and define this bill in a way that will reflect the majority of people on this  floor just an example last night senator alexander offered his vitally supported strengthening american citizenship act a beautiful i think a very important it's a reasonable it's common sense  patriotic it would help newly arrived immigrants learn their responsibilities and and assimilate the habits and privileges of american citizenship unfortunately however the other side objected to allowing a vote that debate that is robust that is vigorous that is open that is participatory in the sense that people can come forward and get the votes they deserve to have set of a process to be as fair as possible so that all points of views are heard many of the senators understandably do want to offer amendments for my part that we began with the secure america's borders act of bill that brought to the floor the first amendment was chairman specter's amendment and that is to offer the judiciary committee bill as a substitute i think the whole body accepts that out a deep respect for the committee process and the really great work that the committee has done thus far in the right for the committee voice to be heard i  am optimistic about where we're going with this bill it's interesting and in our caucuses and i won the democratic caucus as well as a lot of discussion going on you can't help but pick up the papers now and listen to the radio and watch television and not see this discussion of these very real problems being put first and foremost in the headlines and in the stories and i think that's healthy because we've got problems which we have failed to address as a people problems with that we absolutely must address the problems of people crossing these borders illegally at a rate of about two point eight million people coming across that southwest border last year that number increasing every year by about twenty five percent these are illegal people coming across the border it's a problem  problem it's growing it's a problem that that we have got to address the challenge which is probably the most difficult and that is how to address the eleven million people who have crossed the borders in the past probably seven a half million of them are working many of them families many of them i guess all of them came here for the with the intention of a better life but they broke the law and they're here illegally and how can we treat them with compassion and and understanding but not give them a leg up among other law abiding people who also want us citizenship and those are challenges i think everybody is struggling with that and i appreciate it and it means that we are going to have passionate debate contentious debate not everybody is going to agree on even just of those two issues that i mentioned it's going to be highly charged issue there are deep feelings and beat them strong principles at stake the process will work i'm confident in this body the process will work if we keep our debate civilized and dignified and fire to every member of the body by fair i mean allow people to come to the floor and offer those amendments and have them voted upon as i said when i introduced the border security bill i do want our debate to reflect our commitment to the rule of law and to our proud immigrant heritage to boat to boat run nation of immigrants and we've all benefited from america's uniquely inclusive character i believe that we can honor both our history and our laws about working together we can forge a solution that does credit to this body and to the american people here in the senate they continue to work today on border security and immigration yesterday senator specter offered a judiciary committee substitute which includes a provision for a guest worker program today for the debate on three pending amendments and we should find out a little bit later on today what the vote schedule be like for those amendments on monday no votes expected in the senate today meanwhile the senate judiciary committee is meeting this morning and that's going on right now as a matter of fact they're meeting to review a proposal to censure president bush you may recall senator feingold made that proposal that motion a couple of weeks ago said you to share committees meeting on that this morning we'll have it live for you beginning at ten o'clock eastern right after washington journal you can follow that that hearing this morning on c span you just saw a link there on your screen to see stand or where you can take a look at the the bill the house passed the immigration bill also majority leader frist bill and the bill that came out of the senate judiciary committee senator specter's committee watching live coverage of the u s senate another day of debate on immigration legislation speaking of the judiciary committee they're meeting this morning to review a motion of censure on president bush made by senator feingold that hearing got underway at nine thirty and it continues live now you can follow that on c span also live today on c span three we're covering the trans africa annual foreign policy forum a number of speakers there and lover of issues including actor and activist harry belafonte he'll be speaking to the group amendments still to go on the on the floor today no votes they will however later on determine how they will set their vote schedule for monday plenty of debate ahead on this on this issue while we have a chance in this warm call we're going to bring you segment of yesterday's washington journal tom tancredo representative of colorado joins us to talk about the house version of the immigration bill they passed that in december we'll show you as much of this is we can while this quorum call continues the california papers this morning say that the house leadership mr hastert had said that when it comes to a guest worker program it's something that the house might have to consider what do you think of that well i hope when he says he uses the phrase have to consider it just does that that's this far as it goes because frankly a guest worker plan right now is the worst possible thing we could do our first priority is to secure the border and and to stem the flow to somehow stop the flow of massive numbers of illegal illit immigrants coming into the country that's number one now you do that in two ways you strengthen the border security that includes by the way the construction of some sort of barrier you begin going after employers and you do so aggressively and if you do that if you actually can make a card or something that makes it easy for an employer to verify the legitimacy in terms of status in the country of the person that's asking for the job you will have this problem seventy five percent solved then when you've done that when you've gotten a handle on your own border security you can start talking about the possibility of a guest worker program but only after you've done enforce if the senate comes back with a guest worker in place how does that reconcile with the house bill and what happened t that's in all of their plans they're all amnesty claims the house will accept i do not think i mean i am just you know i'm just a member i'm not any part of the leadership and so i can only tell you what my observations are from that i would say that we will not accept any sort of amnesty plan and and so we'll end up unfortunately possibly with nothing and this is what you know it's one of the hazards of the business we're in a very  you can't come to extend sort of compromise you end up with no bill it all and that's also a very bad thing represent a tank credo our guest if you want to talk about immigration reform it's divided this way for stronger immigration laws if you support them two zero two seven three seven zero zero zero one if you oppose them two zero two seven three seven zero zero zero two how do you envision the fence looking as it is under your proposal it is well we don't have to you know just of dream about it the fact is we have sensing on the border and very effective and saying it is there's about fourteen miles of it right now on the border between the united states and mexico in or near san diego the fence is about fifteen feet high it's got a curve on the top with wire there's a road and then there's another smaller fence the road is patrolled by the border patrol it has actually brought some degree of calmness to that part of the border and it's now hard to find frankly anyone on either side of that border that would take the fence down it has actually improved the lives of the people who live in that area quite dramatically it's a good thing you know the the before that we we had on the mexican side of the border they had people coming through shootouts drug transportation it was life a disaster on our side of course  trashed it's actually turned into a place where the property values believe it or not are going up along that border which by the way i think about the only place that's happening on the southern border how much of the southern border has a fence right now it's probably at the maximum about fifty or sixty miles because there are only in very highly populated places no gallus for instance in the city of new gal separated from the united states by fence and there are a couple of places like that but it's probably fifty or sixty miles of fence at the present time and when it comes to the enforcement aspect for those already in the united states what's the manpower and and the  financial commitment that's going to have to be put to this if if you know you're going to find it significant and it is a matter of priorities whether or not you're actually going actually we probably have a goodly number i know we have about two thousand people who are actually committed to to internal enforcement you could maybe double that but the reality is it's not so much the numbers it's the the will power do we want border security and do we want actual internal enforcement of the law and believe me you could quadruple the number of people who are presently assigned to the task of going after employers for instance and people who are here illegally and then less there's the willpower behind it unless the president of the united states says to the head of homeland security your certa this is going to be a priority and frankly we don't accomplish anything with any reas  when we make these trade laws we hook on labor laws and that is if you want to do business with us any country you have to agree to us a little wage i've talked illegal mexican they say if they could make five bucks an hour in mexico they'd run back to mexico and this would solve a lot of the a lot of the problem we have they are very fast we need a fair solution it's only thing i see that can do it and it seems to be real simple and also the seasonal workers what we could do with those is people like ken lay jeffrey skilling bernie ebbers those white collar people who get in trouble we could offer him a sentence of just say maybe ten years in jail or five fifty dollars minimum wage in the united states and the economy could not possibly handle it trying to artificially establish wage rates by the government is very very difficult to know what is quote right the i  competent commentator here but i have no idea what he should be paid and so i really would leave that to the hands of the people who are running the business but i know that you can't just automatically increase wage rates in a country like mexico that dramatically would it would certainly collapse the economy new iberia louisiana yes good morning i had a comment about the law the person i want to go back to the last phone call with regard to minimum wage i had a shouldn't go out into the treaty we had all the power now as far as controlling wages i think it is coming upon the government to make sure that a working man for a hard day's work gets a decent day's pay which we not get in this country right now now with regard to the border we have laws existing now that were put in in the previous amnesties that are not been enforced were muddy not the water with new laws there should be a resolution simply to enforce the laws that are on the books now but we live in a state of anarchy in this country there are so many laws antitrust laws labor laws and everything else they're invading north we need to stop this and get the republican party out of power and reestablish the rule of law and that's all i have to say this is a great well i course wish that that would be the way to do it and get the republican party out of power and then establish the rule of law believe me my friend if you think for a moment that the democratic party is going to step into the breach again enforcing the laws against hiring employers who are here illegally strengthen the border so that people can't come into the country illegally which by the way those are laws that are on the books if you think that they are going to do it you've got another think coming they have absolutely no desire to do so  the fact is that massive immigration both legal and illegal is a democratic priority because it lends to the pool of voters that they see in being enhanced their voters that they see being in  on the republican side we have the problem that massive immigration both legal and illegal is viewed as a source of cheap labor and when you say that we've got to get a salaries to get a decent  salary for for the working man in the united states i absolutely agree and one way to do it is to restrict the flow of cheap illegal labor it is a supply and demand issue the people in the at the lowest rung of the economic ladder in the united states have not had a wage increase in almost ten years and one reason is because of course there are so many people here with low skills who command very low wages and that could that is a dampening effect on wage ra in a in a true free marketplace you find that there is a point that rich at wage wage rates and and labor yvel availability meat and and we can find that business we cannot exist without the cheap labor provided by the or several labor program but we did a balance to the sarah program and they continued to exist not only did they continue to exist but of course they are now thirty percent more productive because they are into technology they now plant tomatoes and harvest tomatoes machines exterior people and it's far more productive indianapolis indiana yes i have i agree with everything that you're saying and i really really hope that the congress and the the senate can get together and actually pass something to improve the situation but i just i kind of don't have a lot of  did want to come up with one idea that i had in the last couple days as this storm has been going on because what you keep continually hearing is that well what are you going to do with all the people that are here and that's what i'm most afraid of is that they're going to get this huge and this year this guest worker program that i don't agree with here's what i suggest i don't know how much foreign aid if at all we give to mexico but whatever it is i think we should cut that off and that we should create a foundation that gives grants to the people that are here will say if you will we will give you money to start a business in mexico and we will help you by me and start your own farming business i think that would be a much much better way to use the dollars because obviously if we've been given to mexico which i'm sure we have they have not changed their society they have not given the people the opportunities and that's why they're streaming across the border to look for jobs that's what we keep hearing well it's not right for us because our borders these people are just trying to make a living they're just trying to provide for their families well what we've been doing that our policies are not working certainly not working the young lady is absolutely correct and we really do not give that much direct aid to mexico they get dollars from a variety of sources but it's not there's only about thirty or forty million dollars it goes into direct aid the problem with the mexican economy factors that it leads you to believe that that would lead you to believe that you could have a thriving economy so why don't you what are the problems and i've had this discussion even with vincent a fox  he told me once that by two thousand and twelve he said there is going to be a reverse migration that mexico's economy is going to be so good that people have the coming from the united states to and i said this sounds wonderful but why i only said we had a number of programs that were of mine that they were going to put into effect when that of them had been put into effect that even if they had the real problem with mexico frankly is it is still stuck in a sort of a socialistic mindset i mean it's still the the government still owns pemex you know their gas and oil company is owned by the government that's number one number two corruption corruption in the xico goes from the cop on the beat to the highest levels of government and frankly when you have that kind of deadly combination you're never going to be able to work your way out of poverty it is and if we gave grants to people to go start businesses believe me in a relatively short time the corruption would have ended whatever opportunities they would have started there are cars there are trucks coming across the united the border into the united states of oiling the ports of entry and coming across in you know remote parts of the of the southwest border carrying all kinds of goods you know chickens and t v s and whatever coming into the united states and you say well what for there's we got a free trade agreement the reason is because they're trying to avoid the more data that the payoff that they have to give to the to the mexican policeman on their side of the border as they approach the port of entry it is in demick and in el unless that's dealt with somehow some way that i can't change as an american congressman i cannot change that aspect of mexican society so until that does change until they change it themselves all we can do is to try to protect american about is if we could identify who these illegal immigrants are give them id cards have them buy into their employer's insurance program so that they go through the regular insurance insurance policy when they're ill and not go through of low cost low cost clinics which  eventually the united states and the pain and we can monitor them and and at that point also penalize the employers who are using non identified immigrants to work because i do understand that with these illegal immigrants are paying is much lower my husband is working at a very hard job and he's only making eleven dollars an hour why because there's other people that pick that will do the same job for less who can identify them and let them see how good this country is how things work they will eventually be going back home and they will have a broader sense of what they might want in their future in their country that's one thing as part terrorists coming through if you don't have that id card well then we can narrow down who are they going to who are the terrorists  you know an arab could pass as a as a latino he speaks spanish exaggerate cetera but he doesn't have that card well there are a number of different issues that the caller brings up here let's first go to the issue of terrorists and coming across the border last year we stopped coming into the united states we stopped about a little over a million a million one hundred thousand people trying to enter this country illegally of that number approximately one hundred fifty thousand were as they are referred to on the border o t m or other than mexicans it come from all over the world that it is not and they kind they come through that southern border because it's porous and many of them go to a place in south and central and south in south america called the tri border area a lawless place brazil are paraguay argentina an area there  where they get their documents they they get brazilian documents they move forward into the united states and by the way for everyone we stop on the border i told you we stopped a million lower million one hundred thousand everyone we stopped three to five give us ok so of the hundred and fifty thousand who are coming from places other than mexico half a million got into this country illegally when you stop somebody on the border and they have a brazilian passport or brazilian documents there's no way to know i mean nobody looks privilege and you know i mean you and i look brazilian it's a very eclectic country there's no way to really determine that what you have to do of course is secure  border so that the port of entry is the only way you can get into this country or at least to the greatest extent possible and then have some verifiable identification to make sure that the person coming in is who they say they are that's part of the problem the other part that is inextricably linked to this and you cannot just talk about border security meaning fence greater control over the documentation you can't just talk about that without talking about employer going after employers employer sanctions you've got to demagnetize the attraction of the jobs that are held open to illegal aliens the caller is right of  mr president i ask my colleagues to pause for a moment today to commemorate the life and sacrifice of sergeant ryan j montgomery sergeant montgomery of greensburg kentucky served with the six hundred twenty third field artillery in the kentucky army national guard on july the third two thousand and five he gave his life in defense of our country near baghdad he has served as nation as a citizen soldier for almost five years he was twenty baghdad a roadside bomb struck his humvee the other two soldiers were injured sadly sergeant mike government was killed for his value service argument gummy was awarded the bronze star medal a purple heart and a combat action badge he had previously to see both the army commendation medal and the armed forces reserve medal and he was awarded the kentucky distinguished service medal for demonstrating all the qualities of a great soldier remaining combat focused while decisively engage with the enemy performing his duties in accomplishing his mission while a student at green county high school sergeant m started a junior r o t c program there for kids interested in a military career the discipline and purpose of army life appealed to him so young ryan decided he could better himself through joining the guard enlisting before he finished high school he hoped to use money from the guard to help him pay for his education necessary to realize his goal of becoming an architect ryan's mother patricia montgomery said that ryan's service in the kentucky national guard could give him a better start in life his twin brother brian who never strayed far from his brother's side was so impressed by the opportunities the military gave his brother that he too decided to serve and ended up a member of bravo battery of course the talian and the six hundred twenty third field artillery the very same unit as his brother ryan before he was deployed to iraq ryan worked two jobs in addition to his work with the guard he was training with the green county fire and rescue team to become a volunteer firefighter he also helped out with the junior o t c program a green county high school that one that he had formed teaching classes and encouraging the students who were following his example to serve their country so argument was deployed to iraq in january two thousand and five ryan and his unit were charged with escorting the main supply convoy which travelled in and out of baghdad often a hazardous assignment and also searching for the enemy on their deadly roadside bombs sergeant mcgovern successfully took part in a hundred and thirty missions as his father raymond montgomery said he really felt like he was doing good over there he absolutely loved it before deploying to iraq r also served in kuwait during his downtime in iraq ryan could most often be found working on his humvee with his truck with his twin brother brian who serves as a mechanic for the six hundred twenty third he would also write or e mail the folks back home or he would talk or walk talk or walk or watch a movie with his brother brian the two didn't get a lot of free time together in iraq but they usually saw each other every day morning greensburg where he lived his whole life which is the county seat of green county ryan and ryan were known as twin cut ups according to their mom patricia their mother says she recalls at the old brothers would often switch close to confuse family friends and babysitters patricia remembers that ryan taught ryan how to ride a bike when the two were little as a child run and loved family dinners and he loved to make people laugh if you see someone without a smile give them yours that was ryan's motto according to his mother grandmother called my brother now is live like a laugh could solve anything both ro and ron played in the great american pastime literally when they were kids what they may have lacked in a lot of says and they made up for it enthusiasm they were jeff leach says john durham the boy's little league coach but i don't think there was another member of the team that had as much fun out there playing than they did in high school ryan played it in the marching band in addition to his work with jr r o t c he played the trumpet and br played the tuba and a trombone and he liked to go hunting with his dad ron was also interested in truck pulling as a kid rides dad took him and his brother to truck pulls at local fairs it was something that naturally appeal to both boys and when he was old enough ron bought a chevy s ten that all three men worked to modify together after ron's death brian continued his brother's project driving the truck they had collaborated on to a victory in a truck call that was dedicated to ryan in temple hill kentucky it was the same competition that ryan had won in two thousand and four with the very same truck after winning brian said it felt great to qual and ron success like that right left behind a loving family who will forever treasure his memory we thank his father in montgomery his mother patricia much gummer and his brother brian montgomery for sharing their stories of ryan with us we are also thinking of ryan sister ashley montgomery and his stepmother sharon not governor today mr president i want to leave my colleagues with the words of sergeant ryan the governor himself these words were found on his computer in iraq he wrote this place is a roller coaster ride you never know what is going to happen next it's scary when you think about it but i pray every night for every soldier who has given their freedom to free these people ryan continue to operate for my family and every blessing god has but in my life it's hard to live day to day not knowing what the next day holds i just pray and carry on with the mission i didn't think this place was going to affect me like it has i'm a different person but for the good words cannot describe the overflowing of gratitude and pride and honor one feels after reading this young man's words mr president nor can i describe the depth of sorrow we feel at his loss sergeant montgomery's courage was so strong that even amidst the rollercoaster of battle he was able to hold on to his love of god his family and his mission to spread freedom i asked my colleagues to join me today and saying that america can never repay the debt we  sergeant ryan montgomery or the montgomery family were truly a blast to live in a country where so many brave men and women like ryan volunteered to face hardship out of their love of freedom and love for the rest of us mr president i that these requests be printed in the record without objection present also ask unanimous consent that the privilege of the floor be granted for the duration of the immigration debate a member of my staff on the septa middy on immigration border security and citizenship without objection this president i will return to the floor to speak about the pending amendment to the border security and immigration bill that was voted out of the senate judiciary committee which i am proud to serve on i want to explain to my colleagues and anyone else who may be listening why i oppose this amendment because i believe that  while there are many good things in the bill or amendment one of the bad things it contains is that it provides amnesty to those who of violated our immigration laws and as i've said before and i will say again i cannot accept amnesty as part of any comprehensive solution to our immigration crisis but more importantly mr president it's not just a question of whether i can accept this as part of a solution i don't believe the american people will accept an honesty as part of the solution either unfortunately at its core the committee product includes an amnesty and let me explain in some detail because i think there are those who see amnesty in every solution that has been offered some say well the guest worker program that the president speaks about isn't hamstrung i don't necessarily agree with that because it is a temporary worker program as he has used that term not an alternative path to citizenship like the judiciary committee bill but i do think that there are some things that can justifiably be called amnesty and that is if words have any meaning the reason why i conclude that this judiciary committee bill provides an amnesty is because it creates a new path to citizenship for proximately twelve million people who've entered our country  violation of our immigration laws i want to be quick to interject mr president we understand why it is that people come to america it's the same reason that everyone wants to come to america and that is because we are the the beacon of hope and freedom and opportunity for the planet we understand that and we to harbor no ill will or grudge against people who simply want to provide for their family we understand that but as a sovereign nation sovereignty implies control of our borders and we don't have control of our borders today mr president it also implies that we will do first what's good for america and american interests and then if we can and certainly we do we can go help our neighbor but we simply can't throw our hands up in the air and say we give up when it comes to controlling our borders and enforcing our laws first of all that would violate the sacred oath that we have taken as senators as members of congress to defend and uphold the laws of the united states and the constant clued in the constitution so what we're talking about here is is not a matter of wanting to be unnecessarily harsh or for those who have come here for all understandable and human reasons but i don't believe the american people well we'll accept a proposal which includes amnesty because they understand that american citizenship is a very special privilege and they reject the notion that we have no choice but to give it out because the federal government has simply failed to enforce the law strongly believe that we need comprehensive immigration reform including border security and i think we need to provide a path to the ten million people who come here in violation of our immigration laws who already live in the united states but i have a fundamental approach fundamental disagreement with the approach contained in this amendment i believe we must start with the rule that people who have come to this country and violation of our immigration laws should be required to go through the same process as all other legal immigrants let me say that again i believe we must start with an approach that people who have come to this country in violation of our immigration laws should be required to go through the same process as all other legal immigrants but this committee product does exactly the opposite it's a solution of sorts based on weakness and a self fulfilling prophecy that we cannot enforce our own laws the message this amendment sends to the american people is that because we can't enforce our immigration laws the only way to address the twelve million people who have come here in violation of our immigration laws is to reward them with a special half the permanent resident status and citizenship some say that this legislation the committee bill is the only way for realistically deal with people who come to our country in violation of our laws but i reject this point of view this defeatism in fact when i hear someone say that only amnesty will work what i really want to ask them is well why do we have immigration laws at all as president there are those as i said earlier who think that who see amnesty behind every bush and call every proposed solution to the problem amnesty and i'm not addressing those people here with my remarks today because i don't think they'll ever be convinced otherwise but i do think there are ways to determine whether a proposal is an amnesty and i suggest to you the best way an arguable so undisputed no one argues that that law did not create an amnesty and if there's two things that we can agree on is not only did it create an amnesty but it was a complete and abject failure well amnesty didn't work in one thousand nine hundred six and it won't work today that's because amnesty encourages disrespect for our laws and it shows disrespect for those who have earned or are trying patiently to earn u s citizen schiff lawfully well as i said in this divisive debate surely we can all agree that the one nine hundred eighty six law was amnesty and that it was a complete failure some argue that the committee amendment is not because it's different from the one nine hundred eighty six amnesty but i don't agree two proposals are that different and what i'd like to do is to show those to whoever's listening and watching now this chart shows that in one nine hundred eighty six over on this side of the chart this is the the elements of the one nine hundred eighty six bill that was signed by president ronald reagan it creates a two step amnesty process first illegal aliens obtained temporary residence status and at the end of that period just under four years they could apply for a green card that is a legal permanent resident but before they could get that green card the one thousand nine hundred six building required applicants for the green card to pay a fee and earn and learn basic citizenship and english skills now this sounds vaguely familiar it's because it should because it's exactly the same model carried forth in the legislation voted out of the judiciary committee which is the the  basic bill that we are working on as part of this debate now as you can see from this chart both bills both the the judiciary committee product that we are now debating and the one nine hundred eighty six amnesty are six amnesty like the current proposal require that the person applying for illegal for legal status had to be in our country before a specified date that date was that you had to the entered before jane with the first  two that is five years prior to enactment and the proposal on the floor says if you have to have come into the country before january the seventh two thousand and four well this is an important concept when considering amnesty because there are always reports of rush to the border by those working along the border as aliens seek to make their way to here to take advantage of the i ask unanimous consent mr mr president to make part of the record a article in the washington times and titled illegals acted on rumors of amnesty which is part of this article it says it nearly thirty five percent of the illegal aliens captured trying to enter the united states in the one thousand days after president bush proposed a still pending guest worker program say they were trying to take advantage of what they saw as an amnesty and i'd ask unanimous consent that that be included in the record at the end of my remarks without objection hundred six congress recognize that it was important to grant amnesty only to those aliens who had been here for more than five years and contrast the pending legislation puts the date of eligibility to january two thousand and four a little over two years ago this chart also addresses other eligibility requirements as senator kyl and i i discussed yesterday the one thousand nine hundred six amnesty require that applicants be admissible under immigration laws and that they not have been convicted of a felony or more than three misdemeanors now compare that to the current proposal that simply requires that the a immigration law that is they they might still come to the country and are be eligible for an amnesty even if they're a felon or even if they've committed can that committed more than three misdemeanors because of certain us provisions of the immigration law hopefully our amendment that cures that omission which will now ensure that felons and those have been been convicted of at least three misdemeanors cannot take advantage of the amnesty and my hope is that we will at least make this bill as tough and set the standards as high as we did in one thousand nine hundred six which certainly is not the case for the current proposal pending on the floor now continuing under this on on this chart in one nine hundred eighty six the law created a new temporary resident status that lasted for forty three months and the current amendment creates a new conditional nonimmigrant status valid for seventy two months that's step one a temporary status now much has been made under the committee proposal about the hurdles that those who are currently in violation of our immigration laws but are nevertheless here in the united states will have to achieve in order of chain to obtain a green card which then of course is a path to citizenship as described by the critics is a difficult process because the illegal alien will have to learn citizenship skills pay a fee pay back taxes and continue working here in the united states but as the chart shows the