and if you'd like to speak you have three minutes to do so you may testify now or you may testify when the agenda item comes up which may not do balls start  nonprofit over nonprofit we speak to this issue now since we likely will have to leave before you were dressed this one but we do plan to testify on the other item at the time addressed by the commission of insanity doing the same thing and expecting a different result each project claims that they are not adding to the traffic problem when in fact of course and each one does increment by increment when we look back at filling in wetlands building in gulches eliminating sand dunes we ask that the government not know the damage they were creating or at least allowing or did they just not care now we certainly know better but what do we care is this project building in a gulch that runs down the middle of the building location how is this ok what do we expect will happen take a drive along s and look at this single driveway providing only grist to this project as it already does to the older other older larger ones creating greater traffic jams after decades a small segment of the long awaited north south collect the road is near completion just malka of the project but there's no connectivity to the road even for emergency vehicles why is this up to the developer or the county government no one seems responsible so day to day is very inconvenient at best with the community and probably dangerous and a tsunami can be deadly who was looking out for the community  camp one two and three which are the most popular beach just in the south now we are close to three days due to the groundwater advisories and that affects not just the immediate people in  also all of the condos in the area that are filled with the tourists they can't go to the page that doesn't bode well for our economy and the other thing that's crucial to remember is what happened on the west  away so that's another concern the other thing that's a major concern this is the only access to this why this through the narrow driveway ok and i mean other than that it should not be built upon me has a very narrow driveway coming our south here road there's parking on both sides have been parking but leaves just a very narrow strip for cars to pass and it's very difficult even to get two cars to go by how are they going to build their project through that driveway with their big boy trucks tractors trailers everything they're going up and  and commissioner my name is daniel kind of hello i'm just trying to as an individual this morning there's a point of clarification do i have three minutes on each agenda item i testify on you have three minutes yet thank you very much so i'd like to begin my testimony me and my primary concern is that it would drainage and traffic and you know the developers are well aware of the problems that are expressed here and it is my hope that the developers on the little condominium hotel  which is kind of insane if you ask me because we may think that we can develop on it but mother nature doesn't forget where the wetlands is so when it rains like it did in january two thousand and five december two thousand and ten and again in january two thousand and eleven those are all areas flood and this particular project area walgreens i've seen a flood many many times historically storm water run through there so one of my concerns is  what's going to happen to that store water when they build this this project called impervious surfaces for such storm water going to be diverted to this is going to be diverted to the adjacent neighborhoods to the north and to the west and if so how they're going to mitigate that how they're going to mitigate the these homes are not impacted so that has to be addressed in a much more fully and to say that there was no finding a significant impact for this project my opinion  is only unbelievable borderlines chris because you're building something that's out of scale for the neighborhood in which it's been built and and i'm sure all the residents behind me have a lot to say about the potential impact this project is going to have on them so i don't need to go there for an appeal if this is approved as it is so this commission really needs to look hard at that make sure that all the potential impacts are adequately address traffic impacts storm water drainage and facts thank you so much f drainage area for the south west face of a lot we're talking about thousands and thousands of acres that come down and have to find some place unfortunately a lot of the water got shut down out into the ocean and it results in heavy se thank you thank you thank you mission the matter before you today as the director mentioned is a draft environmental assessment for the walgreens project in key hay the project was the project booklet was passed out to you and your previous meeting here may twenty sixth meeting in right now the project is in the comment period the draft environmental assessment was submitted to the office of environmental quality quality control on may thirteenth and at that time we also transmitted the application to seven state agencies seven county agencies as well as maui electric and hawaiian tell me the thirty day comment period deadline is june fifteenth so right now we're in the comment period and we're before you basically today this is the first time this project is before you to get comments on their draft environmental assessment if you recall from your training this is the first part to what could be probably is going to be a three or more step process so the  you now you'll give comments everybody else has given comments the neighbors are giving comments agencies are giving comments the applicant is required to take all of those comments and address each and every comment and compile that in a final environmental assessment that final environmental assessment document will come before you at a future meeting you'll take a look at that and if  if you pass that on then the change in zoning and estimate permit applications will come before you for public hearing this this project is made up of five parcels all five parcels are designated for business use in the key hay mechanic community paddy and again if you recall from your training the key mechanic community plan is a long term plan for the area and indicates  what what the land use pattern should be so again for these five parcels that you're going to hear about today the community plan designates it for business use and then there's zoning in five of the parcels one of the parcels the largest parcel which you will see is already zoned for b to business use four of the other parts for perform the parcels are sold for are three residential use so the applicant needs to obtain a change in zoning for those four parcels to match the fifth parcel so they need to get business designation for all of the properties and once they do that then they also need a special management area permit because they're in the s m a area they need a special management area permit for the entire parcel so this draft environmental assessment the reason that why this is before you is because they're doing improvements to the roadway to the county roadway and that is a trigger for compliance with chapter three for three and they needed to prepare an environmental assessment so that's why they're before you today so we'll call the applicant up now and they'll take you through the project and then what key location would be the fourth store walgreens also operates two specialty pharmacies they're pretty large employer in maui they have one hundred thirteen now employees in hawaii and totaled their seven hundred twenty five walgreen's employee place some of the local cookies and key here there's many others i wanted to leave this list to a local mall eventers rather than larger avoid vendors is a very active member of the community and involved with many organizations and most of the organizations that they support are related to health care kind of organizations because they are in the health care business and these are some of the organizations go talk a little bit about where we're out on the project this is south keep a road and these are the parcels rate here this is the parcel that anne was talking about that some hardy zone for business three or parcels here that are known commercial centers i'm sorry a residential this is business these are residential along has across the street here mcdonald's is right next door the whole property is about two eight years and there's five parcel and this is the corn this is the corner of normal guy street on southie road and a majority of the parcels the parcels that are actually zoned residential right now are used as a parking lot and the craft fair operation is over here is another view of the parking lot area this is from this is a typical vendor or stall it's it's in the craft fair operation and this is the view of our neighbor our residential neighbor rate on this side so much high side to the west major and provos a needed i listed environmental assessment but actually technically environmental assessment is not in a google bag we're at the environmental assessment stage right now after we come out after we complete our environmental assessment i'm going to bring up project architect jeff banner to talk about architectural design site and converse lee it provides a left turn movements at the center of process street as well we've treated it in terms of design as a green street so we have along our boundary  westerly edge and we mosey a right and right out onto you know the whole street and the reason for that right in right out is we've taken into account the concerns of some of the neighbors with respect to positioned the store more kind of centrally located here in the middle what this allows us to do is taking one in the considering into consideration the concerns of neighbors were bringing the larger vehicles the truck vehicles into the site strictly from southie he rode we designed it such that they're not able to maneuver and no hope is to the site so the container trucks which usually is one per week that being the larger of the trucks as well as the smaller loading you know delivery type vehicles will all access the site from southie heroes head to the north and in this is where we have the loading area back here and then eventually as the trucks have unloaded which i understand not to be there pretty greatly at any given time they will exit back out and back on the south hero the loading area itself we have recyclables back there we do have refuse bag there but those areas are well concealed they're screened and from a visual standpoint it doesn't doesn't cause any concerns in terms of you know or a nuisance or anything like that out there will be till well sealed we do have a drive through pharmacy located on the west side we've positioned all of our parking fields to the south to the east once again point those vehicles away from the  and mcdonald's and she has a salad with respect to our access points if you want to point out that not only do we have a key access here that's all access back in here so there will be a grassy retention area and the volumes of water that might be displaced by the building have been adequately picked up in this story which is based in the south west or the building itself has been raised two feet approximately it's a foot and a half to two feet in this above the existing one hundred year flood plain elevation seven  design is is actually in terms of scale probably less than what you typically see we've done some other projects here in the  pharmacy we had to elevate the dry plain so that's what this represents here we actually come from existing grades up to the pharmacy window and back we've created character along here with  variation as we move north to south along west this is the entry side just looking towards mcdonald's and once again there's that entry form the water to provide a brief overview of the e a a and especially some of the specialty studies consult the studies that we've prepared in the bta process i think and explained the process but let me just mention that we we started with a pretty consultation process and that was in july two thousand and fourteen we sent out letters to agencies and we also contacted that he community association to ask about common sense things that they would deadline maybe not planning department internal deadline today we're with you at the planning commission to to receive your comments on the draft after we receive your comments and comments from the community we archaeological monitoring plans are to been done cultural impact assessment a traffic impact analysis report plumeri engineering report including drainage of briefly the floor and fin there are no corps of engineers determine jurisdiction or wetlands on this property there are specific criteria that the corps requires for wetlands and that has to do with the type of plants and materials that would typically be found in a wetland on this project has or this property doesn't exhibit any of these characteristics as determined by the core of what a wetland is i'm not saying water doesn't pond here during flooding saying that it's not considered a wet per corps of engineer standards the floor and funded survey was conducted in two thousand and fourteen so last summer so it is fairly recent archaeological and cultural resources archaeological assessment was was prepared several years ago from a previous land owner or actually the current land owner now but he did it for your previous years we've gotten comments back from historic preservation  properties will be affected by the project with the implementation of the accepted monitoring plan so there will be an archaeological monitor on site when there's any site for the nonevent things found construction was stopped immediately in historic preservation division would be contacted  the cultural impact assessment was done in the fall of last year two thousand and fourteen the conclusion was that there were no cultural resources on the site and that the story would have no significant effects on culture resources go through my understanding in the traffic study which i hope is an easy to understand format also the traffic study analyzed six intersections and these are the intersections in the vicinity of the traffic engineering terms except for a left turn lane at the mcdonald's driveway during the afternoon peak  traffic volumes alongside key here road in the morning peak hour there's about nine hundred vehicles that traverse south key he wrote in the morning and this is from seven thirty am to eight thirty am in the afternoon there's about one thousand two hundred fifty vehicles that travel this isn't both directions on south key heroes while gray's related traffic if it were built would generate about forty three trips in the morning peak hour this is just that from seven thirty to eight thirty and sixty one trips in the afternoon peak hour so what does that represent agrees that represents about a point five percent increase to a point three percent increase depending on where you're out and what intersection it's three and the traffic study concludes that with walgreens all study intersections will operate at an acceptable level of service except a left turn lane at mcdonnell's driveway which already does not operate as th acceptable level of service in the p county's complete streets policy and the complete response is basically a very good idea we've focused a lot on cars in the past and we're starting to focus a little bit more on positions bikes so we just think street along our you just a pretty significant amount of water on the side of the two feet or so photo map below it is actually taken from the famous flood insurance study maps and you can see the blue area here along the coastline indicating where the flood plain the red lines here are taken from a part of engineers going into map was actually done to accumulate in this lying area this is this area here for scale is about maybe the blueberries maybe about a third of a mile and this is described by the on natural resources conservation services as a coastal pla particular site we have to look at two aspects of the site first first of all we want to understand how we can negate the impact of developing the site in terms of the how we deal with the internally generated water and secondly we want to deal with the flooding issue how do we deal with the externally generated water put some he's on by the time this is this is a picture of exist along here of them or these corner of the site that tends to enter the site of the site and continues on making its way towards the towards the ocean so this is the exist in any pattern you see by with regulation we hold all the water we generate but the other but that's the internal part the external part isn't so different story because the external tackle the drainage problem on site let me turn this back over so  a the draft process allows for public comments and that's why we're here or we welcome the planning commission's comments and questions at this time to finally be able include all the written comments or all the comments  reasons i think it's important to note and maybe the planning commission knows this but just generally for the audience the final is not an approval of the project it's a disclosure document that when we come back is worthwhile to move forward the next steps we're going to respond to the comments will prepare the finally it will come back to the planning commission for review of the finally and hopefully acceptance after the e u will be back at the planning commission for  council or decided upon a vote by the council after the council makes that decision assuming that they did approve the change and zoning would be back at the planning commission for the final approval of the estimate is that correct ok well that's where we're at now and i welcome your comments thank you for listening to our presentation blank which should be december tenth twenty fourteenth i have distributed that document a two page letter and the completed he hates for growth scorecard compiled composed after cases we have allowed small scale businesses to develop and operate in these transitional zones he's include the key a veterinary clinic at fourteen seventy six south kind of nursery at seven a project that was previously rejected because of the negative impact the local resident was the proposed relocation of key a ace hardware on to south to road because of concerns of increased traffic and residential operation which is what we were told last year and still police might come to fruition the other walgreens are open twenty four hours now is destructive to an established residential neighborhood the proposed walgreens project is better suited for a larger commercially zoned site away from the residential neighborhood your other malick stores are a good example of appropriate locations there are many commercially solid properties in key any that are appropriate for its door of this scale and type of operation which we would fully support we aren't causing the scorecard for the close project the score is thirty eight percent out of a possible  low score is due mainly to the sites location in a residential neighborhood and in a flood zone that same for the same project in a more commercial key location when scored much higher we have come to the nearby neighbors i believe in my heart that zoning changes from residential lights to commercial lights should improve the neighborhood experience not diminish it imagine living in a house with a ten foot side yard setback next to a fifteen thousand foot box store surrounded by a highly well it parking lot operating twenty four hours a day customer traffic coming and going trucks trailer trash pickup employee noise a store employees delivery trucks trash pickup will not adhere to those limited hours for many neighbors the residential lots being considered in this proposal act as a buffer to any commercial enterprise other proposed usage could be complimentary to this area if there were more trade story and more scale to the residential neighborhood well project proposed project in my estimation is not good for this project is just too big too destructive to the neighborhood  a concerned citizen who lives very very close to the proposed site five to acres fifteen thousand feet twenty four feet high to thirty five feet high score card rating of thirty eight out of one hundred percent traffic increase no worries accumulation increase trucks wear and tear on the roads any time day and night fumes twenty four seven a residential area being really huge lee affected and absolutely no need for another drug store or pharmacy because it's right across as long it's right across the street a major flood plain right across the street and the ask of rezoning what about this can you say does not have a significant impact in ky and yet time and time again i read their report and it says our story is not expected to have a significant increase in this known significant increase when compared they're talking about traffic here no significant increase to traffic compared to where the comparing traffic here people we're adding to traffic so that's a little disingenuous you know i studies like this and i appreciate responses like this but it's like a debate you can argue both sides of it but sometimes it just comes down to right and wrong and the truth and not and there's a lot of stuff in here that does not represent the truth especially for those people like mr patterson said who live in the area and experience the traffic and experience this area and it says there's no cultural impact don't just talk about something overall but you know you've got that lovely little craft fair that all the tourists really actually enjoy in the maui i think that this is not a worthwhile project to go forward i think we say we should scrap this and not make a recommendation to go forward and let's allow a small business to go in there with that that's appropriate to maui opposed to walgreens in an appropriate location and i think there are possibly appropriate locations in key hey this is not one of them pictured just that i'm passing out were taken at maui loni about six o'clock on a saturday evening and i just like you to take a look at the top picture shows a twenty foot they are saying that they won't necessarily put twenty foot lights but the ambient light from the parking lot in the of this size still will spill over into the neighborhood and it's not something i would like to have next on the primitive also notice that there is refuse outside the locked refuse to area in that top  photo and the bottom photo is a semi trailer truck imagine the diesel fumes and the noise of the engine from this will generate appear few feet from someone's home this picture as i said was six o'clock on a saturday search just imagine yourself trying to it includes anything from a small bike shop in a building not bigger than a single family home with limited hours of operation to a big box store in a building like this which would be ten times bigger than a family with late night hours a smaller transitional business would work next to these homes and as mike said we do have models of just working in key but to place something this large next to residences is not right it's not what it's owning intended and it needs to be located more centrally within a business district i also want to mention that the key hate connelly as you know depends on tourism and it's important to keep the perceived as a small town tropical beach can unity this proposed site is the first commercial site that people will see when they come down south keep a road after driving for two miles along beautifully beachfront and then residential property and  retailer in this location tract from the unique flavor of our town and will negatively impact our economy please do not accept the developers claim that this project has no significance in fact thank you my children are in race there and all time community my house was built in over eighty years ago so it's a long time established community and this project which i am opposed to going to have adverse the fact that our quality of life also as architects as a planner and as the passkey a community association president i'm also adamantly opposed to this project i think it's totally inappropriate for this location about ten to fifteen years ago when i started with the k c a we created a development committee planning and development committee and got a grant from the county trying to implement design guidelines which were called for from the key a community plan and of those guidelines there's three in particular i want to talk about i may not be able to get to maybe could ask me if i don't that this particular project does not comply with the first one is transition so the idea we have these four distinct neighborhoods commercial neighborhoods is a kilometer come all the way and we want to have a transition of commercial residential in scale and massive feeling character and so that's work successfully on a lot of projects actually every project that's come to us is work successfully in that regard this project  as it moves from commercial our main identity is a second place longtime family and that's a beautiful complex that they've done to proofs long overhangs which singles it's a beautiful complex but as we move from that we get we have one stories mcdonnell's longs all one story but then as we get right to the residences that no at their entrance into our neighborhood two story concrete box flat roof totally out of context totally out of context and not only that as it's been for mentioned it's taking away three residential side slots to accommodate this box so those three presidential sized lots  segue for transition into more commercial on the opposite side of the second to the south we had a similar problem with some developers that came in and and that's the kind of village but what they've done is they've incorporated live units which is a perfect transition and that would be far more appropriate on this site than a walgreens so that's one thing you know in the walgreens is really designed for like high visibility big open space it's not designed for intimate in a community the other thing i want to talk about is gateway which was mentioned before we want to try it is create like gateway features as you enter into these downtown areas and so basically the the corner that you're going to see when you come in from from the north coming into is that because you're going to see it dead corner of this building there's no windows there's no doors there's no people this is a dead corner it a little bit because it looks like something but it's not really something going on it's also the entrance into our neighborhood where you get the tractor trailers you get the trash you're going to get pallets you going to get cardboard you're going to get  n containers you know that's not really the kind of thing that you want to see even if you had heavy landscaping to try to disguise it and then you're ok any questions put in the third item is kind of like based on like smart urban design where in order to have sort of a sense of pedestrian community which is really what the key to a key a community play calls for protest oriented walkable community deemphasized automobile so you want to bring the buildings up to the street and you want to create like a lot of activity along the streets and that creates like the character put the parking in the back so that's what we've done in all the projects that have come up to the case it last ten years have adopted that policy and it's been really successful this one because the building is so big and because of the nature of their design they have to drive all the way around all that's the nature of their it's basically a coupe cookie cutter design it up again drive around all four sides so it's just inherently doesn't fit that mold i also have some critical comments about the flooding if gate that situation but fema federal emergency management agency has an agreement with the county in that flood zone where they have to mitigate any rise in the flood so that the mass of the volume of that building where it displaces flood has to be mitigated somewhere else so if you consider the size you know it's like maybe but he say like i think it's like fourteen thousand feet fifteen thousand feet plus you have the sidewalks and ramps and everything else building up an average of a foot and a half of flood right so we're looking at twenty thousand plus square feet maybe more so that's a bar yuma of twenty plus cubic feet of water that has to be displaced and then when you look at the retention basin which they had that accommodates the runoff there's no way that the size of that retention basin in footprint is going to be able to accommodate that additional off because  the footprint that they since maybe eight thousand square feet so it's got a common a twenty thousand cubic feet you've got to add another two feet plus of depth that think it's already at four feet the water tables let's say the that's from mean sea level so i mean sea level it's zero theoretically but we know from living there from building there that the there's a rise we get in we have to actually have a natural fresh water table that comes now so when you dig in that area which i would strongly advise they do they're not going to be going down three feet they're going to get water so it's it's it's it's a real challenge they'd have to increase the size of that the footprint significantly and i would suggest that they provide a whole retention basin underneath their building and i also want to say that the idea of the green streets was actually suggested for the key a community association play the committee so i thank them for that can you go back to the type of development you said that's happened in the last ten have live work units that face the pull and they face south and it's also residential condos all the parking's in the back and so what they've done is the they have significant sidewalk widening up against the street i think it's like eight to ten feet sunk north then and it's the last commercial building that transitions from the core of kilometers north and on basically it's designed is like a morning morning my name is jeremy peterson i live on the road my beautiful wife and a year old son my family has owned property on the street for nearly forty six years this neighborhood this tight knit amazing area where you wake up in the morning throw shock at your neighbor's dog story you go on with your day everybody looks out for this proposed walgreens will have a devastating impact on this neighborhood in three areas secondly it will increase flooding in our area i'm a little hyper sensitive to that my house right next to george on the road and i want to pass you guys around a couple photos this is our  lastly by changing zoning from residential to commercial it really does nothing to help our island shortage of housing last week myself and many neighbors in the neighborhood attended the urban design review board we went through the same fuel to create design basically after three hours of the urban design group view board unanimously unanimously decided among other things trying to store and i think tom snell said it best when he said you know kind of a simple two main street you know why do you want to come in and make it three main street and destroy a perfectly good neighborhood to accommodate the need for housing in our unique neighborhood our neighborhood is an example of a live work community keeping the zoning as it is will allow other residents of mali to reside in what can be developed into an example of green living from the location of people can walk to shops necessity locations the bank doctors restaurants markets over siding in a quiet residential district one block from a quiet beach and fish pond please keep on neighborhood see in secret the proposed think going down to park last year i've lived there since two thousand and two he was born in that home last year finally we were able to get a mirror at the end of that road so the cars can see each other we have these little deals we have to  going down the street to cross in front of this house to the house so that we can avoid on coming traffic every time i drive there i pray that somebody is not crossing the line over who does not understand that this is a blind curve going through the new on to white and back there are no pollution from twenty four hour large stores with trucks and trucks and what about the peacocks that try to cross the street increasing the footprint of all spoken concrete in our sensitive plants in neighborhoods not a long term solution to the drainage that we have been requesting and begging for to be neighborhood which serve the community in the same fashion as the proposed zoning change development it's not needed in our neighborhood thank you for listening and considering my request to preserve the unique and safety of our neighborhood thank you for choosing to approve plans which will little playing that they put on here is the fact that i was a contractor for seventeen years and watching their run off and evaluation all that i live at thirty four noble cause i had to do i had to go through the current army corps of engineers thousand years ago and you can check all the neighborhood around the water level is sixteen to eighteen inches under the surface that's it i mean that's it they can dig a steep as they want it will fill right back up so to compensate for the size they're building there's just no way they can do it so that's the main thing i want to say with it it's a ridiculous statement like i said i was built within that contract to feel for seventeen years and that was just amazing to see  department is requesting country by the commission on finding the draft environmental assessment and anticipated finding of no significant impact determination with q c for publication were also requesting your comments that we would put a letter together on your behalf and that letter would have to be addressed to you all your comments would have to be addressed by the applicant in the in the preparation of the final environmental assessment by commissioners questions attractive building and sold the improvements that we're proposing meets and even exceed county drainage or apartments but because of the limited size of the  as opposed to you can we send it into the ocean and it's untreated so in a way it's kind of like up a storm out of this whole system that that helps treat the water on this method is actually something well but the holding area is actually the shoulder itself so it's planted on top and permeable on the bottom and so you can kind of think of it as as a treatment process kind of turned on its side right we treat it with the conventional and water system the only problem is this area soul poor infrastructure that there wasn't an opportunity to do a conventional sit solution without  is that it's absent because of the elevation and it's it's draining a higher area than we are so if we were to time for that we would basically have to water basically we  on the property how much water is the land of sort which rainfall much of the flood water you know it's it's i'm not sure that we calculated exactly that proposing after development is probably the same where maybe a little bit better than what the site actually does now but again this is dealing with the flooding issue flooding issue flooding  of the question that i added for the first time since ninety eight question that i have is how does the site address the question of sea level think that's an excellent question for a deep primal environmental impact  of the flood level we're not proposing to fill in the parking lot and that's an important consideration because the amount of flooding that comes through the water the building's footprint or the building  the amount of water from the building but the parking lot the state exists or there are similar grid so that water can flow around the building into the retention basement ok was different and that we hold incorporated a flavor of key to it and it's a little bit colorful it is it's not a beige box we don't want to dilute the rocks but if that's the direction we're you know the design questions can you know design can always be changed but i did want to address that sense you brought it up a couple questions or concerns that came about you know people term this as a big box  typically i think of big boxes considered like target or walmart or you know costco is a big box kind of development we're at fourteen thousand five hundred square feet and so on you know a supermarket of food land is twenty five to forty thousand square feet so we're significantly smaller than what would be classified as a big box so i did want to make that point you know thirty five feet at the highest you know architectural element is well below  him but remember the majority of the building is about twenty two feet high oh and i wouldn't try it as a two story building i mean technically a single family house could be about twenty two feet i or higher but i mean for a commercial building twenty two fee not significant hi i heard some concerns or or comments that people like gears eka center kind of architecture we can certainly look at you know issues or are the types why do you have a can bring jeff on to talk about that issue good really we feel the synergy of this area isn't just the circular you've got mcdonalds here you have your entrance here and you have the connection between the two properties here so that's why we've located entrance into this corner and we felt that we could we could sufficiently mitigate on the loading dock area with appropriate landscaping and screening here of the significant traffic improvements that we would propose for the project would be to widen the south keep a road on this side and the whitening allows us to but enough to remain in median and this would be left turns include the sidewalk area which is not there now and bike lanes on both sides of the street in front of  which are you going  stuff you'll have one hundred percent tension on site so everything that's generated on the site will be one hundred percent gain on the site everything is generated as a result of the building in the parking lot will be retained one hundred percent i'm sorry but we can't hold everything that comes down from the mountain because i don't know i heard the explanation that if it looks like most of the and then onto the site and into the surrounding neighborhood i don't know what the legal parameters of that are are you obligated to accept drainage coming from off site on your site well we  change the amount of water good leaves our site compared to existing conditions now after develop the fire you really are except water fluently can't help but to accept it but we can't hold all the getting back to your question about you know what gives your question was what gives another property you're right there there are controls where you know if you develop your property it you need to create  keep your star water on site but as far as a property you think prior to i mean it's just the natural floor from those propert so we do want to look at that regional problem and be able to come up with solutions for it i think in recent times a lot of that is always put on development to try to help come up with a solution but i think and you kind of piecemeal project by project what can each developer do or  we don't have a c h p project that's what the drainage study will help us determine and we need to look at what kind of mitigation efforts what are some proposed projects we can take a look at when we first talked with tear into the new morey and tom you know one of the things we did bring up was the whole green streets concept you know we should be looking into more of these types of features in our neighborhoods in our communities you know it's a small kind of effort that you know if we got more people or developers to do that that might be a  for the people that are on the whole kind of street it kind of puts the back of the house functions on the street thought to be the back of the house functions should be in the back of the house and  association twice and i thought we had moved in a positive direction we couldn't address all of their concerns but we did incorporate some of their concerns and a lot of windows in the in this corner of the building in one key community associations commons two was the windows create interest for pedestrians as you walk in like you can see in the building you can see what's going on them so we do have quite a bit of windows along this cases commercially viable there are a number of examples which shopping centers which have street fronts like that faced one challenges i mean even in unless it's extremely heavily a neighborhood pharmacy that's first and foremost what they do and this store size is similar to what they call sensitive prototypes the store size they tried it here two or less with almost all their new stores after having develop concept decades includes drive thru pharmacy which does add something to the community you know right now i see most of us we look deep but i know for many people who are in for seniors who have mobility issues or whatnot you know people who are temporary disabled or on crutches having that drs who pharmacy having that additional access to medicine as opposed to trudging through a big store is a real benefit to the community so you know having some part of the site is designed with that drive thru mine to make it more convenient for people sometimes mothers sick children don't want to come through the store want to get other people sick it i s a real community benefit so that store sizes what they have determined is appropriate for a community of this size and we are empathetic by all means to the flooding when it is a serious issue we recognize  building that you know this is what works by being able to present additional retail options to community for situations but for almost every other community that i can think of the standard store size is about the size and society that works hershel pharmacy is actually a really tough business margins you look into the business actually go down and that's why a lot of you don't see a lot of independent pharmacists because there's so many federal regulations all in uniform as you can only imagine right here handling drugs that it's very is about the same exterior is a little bit different but you know it really just comes down to what what kind of a exterior facade we want to use but terms of the general size shape configuration they stay pretty much the same  but be sure to start a trend post office the lots next to it on there's room in the longest drugs to go ahead and put some store fronts and walk in with this improvement walgreens has an opportunity to be you know the leader  orders prior to that you know it's a very unique situation because there you have it three deck parking structure behind the building have macy's and you have whole foods you've got target across the street it is a very much i built in a way that as opposed to key which is basically a road which is one road down the middle of the street and that that entire area is revolves around that central focus a central focus so it's really the that central focus of the town those configurations don't really work quite as well and the park has a walgreens that street front part of the back but that parking is also a trader joe's right so you know if want to look out and see a six foot fence and landscaping or would they like to see a twelve or fifteen to put a wall on their property lines those are design considerations but six feet just just what we said  think there's two or three units here so on walgreens would be an undecided and we could certainly see you know scream and we could screen our side of the property and their side of the property don't you find this is a view looking in front of going into the property here which is in the back of their driveway you know we can we can plant we could you know who gets all the design consideration we can talk to that neighbor to see what they relieved the architecture of building when i took a building i can see where they exercised a lot of effort in terms of trying to put some detail into the building to make interesting but from my perspective  it is slightly oversized it's not exceedingly oversized but it does hold more didn't do in the required retention due to aero going off site reflects you know current conditions understanding is and we can look into those are not say we can look into them but my understanding is you know as the question was before david has entire sites was a retention base and it's not going to solve the regional problems i name on the north end of the property where the south end of the property and possibly consider a no left turn lane at all similar to your store a on full access in and out of this intersection here and you know just drive way and actually just this is kind of just an open median type of type of lane so you can turn both ways it's not chicken r d x situation and my question that i had was can well you've already addressed that i think to something if you eliminate the left turn lane on the whole pie by eliminating that driveway then that road it this is an entrance coming here for a rate of return entrance right this is a left turn to go this way and this is a right return coming down this road rather you're saying to them in any one of these you know you you you might have stacking because if it's just a guy that wants to turn left who's is holding up you know people behind him that are going to turn right they could feel free to slap the stacking would still be in a parking lot so there's a lot of  consider i think it's more of a traffic engineering  wider area here so that the trucks can make turning movements to come here and you know in a good neighbor it always seems with all the trucks having the back go out making a lot of noise to obvious a beeper where we want to call it think it makes more sense to have died on the other lunch and just to clarify and i was talking to leaders the store manager and one who are now i'm typically big to get a big delivery once a week so it's not constant deliveries of that if we did do that and if we shifted it down this way it would have more parking lot of care probably maybe that's a trade off too because maybe there's more activity on a daily basis on a longer period of the comments that i heard dealt with design so what i what i got in the me overlap a little bit because some of your later comments actually expanded upon some comments that we had earlier so we'll just just give it a shot the first comment relative to design that i heard was that the building seems too overpowering for the area and doesn't fit the area to that consider moving the building closer to the street to create a people friendly streetscape and that all mechanical equipment be screened be screened from public view and then six which this one came later which incorporates couple of these is  n this came from commissioner he tiny consider including consider modifying the design to include a hit with a parent to conceal the roof top mechanical equipment then i have a couple comments that are green inch consider enlarging the drainage basin and incorporating subsurface drainage and permeable parking i have consider eliminating access from normal k street and instead possibly include a wall and dense landscaping to mitigate the impact to the neighbors and then i consider having both wall that will offer both visual and the sound barrier and integrating both landscaping perhaps on both sides do you think that would be does it get you here you're talking about this area that you're talking about here in here right and  so if so the comment that you made about the landscaping on both sides of a wall here and year and here would that depends on  i don't i don't know all the technical definition for when i thought it had to be classified i thought in order for it to be considered a wetland it had to be meet certain criteria by the feds and that was my property that was actually a wetland down here and put that into a conservation easement and preserve that wetland has a million in measure for filling in the whitman so that's the existing condition that it has guess asking the out in to look into the overall height you know we're looking at thirty five feet plus two feet of the great we're looking at pushing forty feet tall and have it not so much in i think that's pretty important yeah i would think yes so so far i have about as many fifteen comments in the areas of design just drainage traffic lighting and just some general comments so this i mean i think i can go through all again or not and so then i guess what we would need is a motion to accept those as your comments and i would put a letter together and the applicant would need to address those comments and  planted multifamily the african is requesting to go back to hotel to back up a little bit further this project is also actually a final phase of the key  the project site behind these trees this is looking the other direction down the driveway west towards the ocean this is closer to the project site the project say is beginning about in this area here  these are from the outer side in the undeveloped section this is looking from the northwest corner here across and here trying this is from let's see from here si this looking north across the site this is looking west from the future north south collector road one parcel removed over the project site the project itself is thirty nine condo butel units in two buildings the north building is three stories the fourth are at the south buildings for close to four stories a mix of two and three bedroom configurations one to three point five bathrooms with nice common elements include swimming pool landscape plan for the project at this time would like to bring up david surrealistic of architecture the project thank you david this is jordan hart again one item i would like to reiterate regarding the landscape plan and that is that the existing gulch in its current condition is going to remain as it is the project is supposed to touch that area all of the bill will have been on either its location as stated earlier it's underground or not underground parking service level parking with three stories of presidential force sorry two stories of residential and two stories of residential so three and four story but the ground level is parking your car you six story and then kind of the is between two and three this is a section opus site and it's not as dark as it could be but what it shows is that this is the elevation relationship to kit car in relation to the appropriate pose project and the existing key a kind of  project and so what this is trying to indicate is that the project isn't maston scaled in relation to the existing development it's surrounded on both sides and then it also gives an expanded view of access and utilit ready there is an existing two inch beard dedicated to this site domestic demand is twenty one thousand eight hundred forty gallons pasties nine thousand nine hundred forty seven gallons per day excess capacity waste water treatment facility it's two point one point two million gallons the net increase in storm water runoff is four point two zero nine cubic feet per second post development run off plus twenty percent a total of five point zero five one cubic feet per second will be contained by subsurface retention on site the existing runoff so that is the existing non developed site runoff will be reduced from one point nine seven three cubic feet per second charging station this indicates the relationship of the project site as infill site to the surrounding community of key date these are the amenities and resources that are within walking distance this  comolli beach to camp three the point being that it will be apparent pedestrian friendly development because of its access to existing facilities interesting sidewalk networks the future north south collector road which will include sidewalks will be there i should also state at this time the applicant has approached the mt a property owner to request access whether the permit or construction access for th items will be occurring so the project is definitely aware that are most concerned neighbor is the key kind of money and attempting to maintain open dialogue with them aware of what's going on  the size of the train these ditches and here's some pictures of the train just how big and why they are going through the subdivisions before it goes a clock under and across the clock to road and it completely funnels a lot when a service as just a big funnel for find his way down by him to each park and runs through the storm drains and it overwhelms that area but so what him to design this is this two thousand and seven and this shows the overflowing three i want to point out that twenty five percent of the owners are either full time a part time i know some people were saying nobody lives there but they do i'm here to request that you do not grant the developer the change of the community claim my ears condo walt is ten feet victories particular i will be most affected by the light and sound pollution from the cars of the proposed development at the present moment we have a cing them with suman buildings will affect the view of all the awful awesome county public right of way in addition to a change in the physical environment which affects the biodiversity of the area the view will obviously be intrusion looking at big trees proposed play on this twelve percent of all parking space have the car have lights directly facing into units one six three and one seven five of a kind  yeah but we have been maintaining the no crafted to show the nanny lower project in their favorable light it addresses the impact of mitigation effort on a number of points however carefully avoids any mention of the impact on its closest neighbors to the residents of traffic will add to the congestion and same concerns secondly i'd like to point out the of the original developer of he came over forty five years ago now knew that if he ever wanted to sell their piece of landmark property it would be necessary collector road would be preferred option for victory development as well as the fire department going to stop by how the fire department going to navigate that circle to get into their property and the and obviously it will be house however there is a problem in that another piece of land blocks access to the road i believe the county has an opportunity to take corrective action by the implementation and then in domain establishing a right away have conditions of development or whatever means are are the county is in a position to implement it in order to help facilitate silicate a new arrangement that would be in the best interests of all parties concerned and it certainly would help driveway twenty feet of distance between cars and this site cars on the other side twenty the and they're going to have to bring up all their utility sewer their electrical everything so your main concern at this event the developer own kicking out and that piece of property apparently at one time he intended to put a building that there but at some point he realized that wasn't just wasn't profitable for him to do it and decided to sell that out even though he'd already developed that back portion of the lot and planted all those beautiful trees and put sidewalks in which owners have always believed belonged to keep taking out eight when in fact it really belongs to the last one a development so i mean if that developer was here right now you know he would be the one that you would want to be you know putting the blame so that the easement was granted yes we'd always owners under the assumption that the development was never going t because they couldn't get the rights to the water but apparently they've got you know water meter now and so this is where i hat you know they pay two and a half million dollars for a piece of property that was by the previous owner they only paid four hundred thousand dollars so obviously they it's in their best interest to develop this property i understand that commissioner robinson i think it's ten feet of each other or twenty feet of each other i don't know but they don't there's no parking between them you know it's fires the distance the neck and you know have the headlights shining into the water the concerns are just real quick is that barrier the flooding at nine eleven will be increased damaging you know that condominium ocean very damaging the community will be impacted by increased traffic numerous safety concerns and overall reducing have decided not to develop but the previous owner decided to sell out before his permit ran out and was able to stand a development that the new owner development he had to make a couple of improvements the sewer line the previous owner had to extend a driers has one and a half inch water meter which is not large enough to share water supply with a new complex at times or wider system pressure can barely supply the upper buildings ever complex the previous owner were not going to a lot of expense and style the water line to  distribution lines will be installed underground i would hope that if and when kind of a straight stretch for the water line all of these utilities would be coordinated with their respective companies to be installed at the same time th each to its own and we know that one factory development purchased the property they start paying taxes on type quite yet there is the community plan that calls for single family zoning so our question is how much need is there for single family rentals or single family homes in the area first has the making we know the only way they can successfully develop this is by changing that zone and that's probably why it was on the front page of the most news because this will set precedence if you allow that community plan to be changed you will see other projects asking for that same consideration especially now that the collector road at the top is out to get access to other landlocked projects in the future so that was our number one concern or number two and why all the owners talk about the water is that over the years there have been numerous clubs and of course it was built in basically the runoff zone of the owners have looked at trying to mitigate that water but the expenses was way too drastic you'd have to dig up all the utility and put it underground drainage ditch and the problem with that is the county doesn't want the water  change the runoff down to the beach in effect to the reef so you kind of stuck in the middle there without so what happened was the last few floods we have we want to look the part in a public works and ask for help from them for them to look at our property and they did and what they came back with was there's nothing they can do for us because all of the developments above us monitor the states and everything the chione area all of them are in compliance with their water mitigation estimate permits what they said was if they do develop a lot one way that as long as they're in compliance with the medication part of it that there's nothing that department public bus really be able to slow down the flow when they talk about that box culvert to the top of the property that being the sole if you look through it it's got a concrete structure is fractured and i would hope that you know responsible development would be to tear that whole thing out and put in some sort of pole for that would be you know bring the water and try and spread  dollar so that is our that's one of our big problems there's no doubt that you know victory development has the best of intentions from what i but in the same time what's the impact going to be on our sidewalks going through our property there stairs and walk and there's small sidewalks in the front but what happens is everyone uses it's the parking lot for the back six buildings to get to their unit everyone who's in there they walk through the center of that parking lot what i'm concerned about is during the construction process of dealing with the trucks coming through and the danger of that so we have a very small staff and i have three people during the day to make myself and we have full time jobs building one hundred eighty units so what would happen is even if the developer was responsible and hired someone to watch the truck we would have to be there to move all the gas cars then the gas would want to stay in those upper buildings because they could park there and they deal with the trucks in the us so there's a lot to do similar in our driveway literally you know  is there a lot of residents having to use it and with the traffic from there is sort of way our friend parking lot has to driveways there's the high ninety driveway and there's the kind of the shopping center with friends on this side of the entrance of our property part spots belong to the shopping center friends so we work with them and we have a good relationship with them where when it's busy all the people are on that side of the parking lot so you have in the front  coming into our complex people go into restaurants and there's just a little separation sidewalk there so the cross walk this right in the center of the drivers so it makes for a pretty hectic situation public testimony so and believe we're going through the list already is anybody else in the audience wish to testify and stay at our condo for a week to observe during the winter doing w fake and just the flow of the condo and i just they can build what they need to build i just want them to build it on that new road and not not wreck our driveway we all plant our condos a year ahead of time you know every year we have the same year after year but one of for two years but i've heard that when we bought the place our real estate person told us you know it could happen in the future and we just didn't but it probably w so i've never been a member of the board or anything so i don't really know but it's a great place and i would say it's just a gym there are it's just small and it's a  all right sorry about that ethel bell way who's been on an owner for over thirty four years can answer the question about the purchase with their kit kind nonny previously attempted to purchase that piece of land she has the answer for you i apologize about twenty five years ago we tried to purchase the land but at that time we were not incorporated and as a condominium complex we could not only in since that time we have kind of that for our manager to live and we got incorporated so we get on that kind of but then it was that the land was sold to a times after that and we couldn't afford it this is jordan hard  i don't know that my plans are showing that dimension or we could provide that further and provide information for steel that might help with that we're thirty feet from the property line so that puts the separation between the two buildings in the g  so one hundred percent of the post development so the increase from the undeveloped site to a developed site one hundred percent of that plus twenty percent within the parcel within the sub sub of the video that we saw with the waters are running like a river down i'm trying to find where the water they thrive we came from we have a the water is always been handled by the so so you're saying that it already exists and he wouldn't have to tear up the driveway that one can and to please not speak in the audience i let you i mean the information we got the understanding is that the owner put a two inch meter at the front and put a full two inch meter in the back or the something that somebody could think that there's water there and their contention is that there's no water twenty water meter under there but so the concern is because they don't have one hundred eighty parking stalls that any construction on top of that driveway with this place homeowners from parking there so if you if you're stating that you believe that there is a two inch water line then the only construction that they have to be concerned about is just connecting to that lateral for the sewer you also need this money will project will also need a fire line and my guess is it's either going to be eight or twelve inch foot that has to be brought any room behind the buildings instead of again is is the idea that the driveway is going to be the place for these utilities no matter what the utilities are that's where the legal easement is for the access and utility so we would have to come in through that or has there been any discussion about the location of the of the proposed utility lines on the easement and furthermore has a better squashes since i did hear today that their water pressure is low there sir line is out there that that might be able to piggyback on what you guys are doing and what think that might is a problem might become actually a positive yes sir that's actually our goal is to work with the board and we we have met with the entire board one time and then individual people on different times but whatever utilities that we need to have go down to sow a road we're not interested in hooking up to a forty five year old line like somebody had mentioned earlier and having a problem down the road we would rather go down and make it all fresh and make sure it's done correctly and if there's any benefit that we can work with the board  n their situation we would definitely look at those options and we'd also work with the board to mitigate the parking situation and make sure that we do you know the least impact it's possible you know like doing a section at a time or something like that we come up with a plan and just everyone just keep in order i asked the audience least not speak unless you can called on by the commission to come up  and we've got to record everything for transcription purposes anyway so thank you commission  actually i've spoken to the owner of the aloha village parcel i'm very quaint it with him and have a good dialogue with him and he's giving me a four ball ok to do that we're not at the point where we need to do something or writing or you know because obviously we have to get this process but that is our intention again we don't want to have a impact or a minimal impact on their community especially with large trucks and construction trucks on a daily basis been already there the lot are you referring to regular privately owned vehicles yes it wouldn't be any different than them parking in their upper stall you know our are you talking about during construction yes yes we will but again our our intention is to create an agreement with the land owner adjacent to be able to utilize that area and  not go through their property but again we need to sort all those items out but that is our intention is to you know that hasn't been discussed you know because we're not into that or not to that point yet but  oh yeah i did discuss it with the owners for billing but we haven't got anything in writing commission obviously mr walker on that note have you had any light discussions with a possible utility line through that same neighbor while he doesn't have any infrastructure i have not at this point but we're open to ideas have you also thought to help mitigate the effect of any that you may folks may develop a temporary parking lot on your on your site while you then do the utilities first so that they could park their way doing the utilities and actually tilt the set then maybe continue on with your project that is an idea of course we would have to be concerned with osha standards and in a construction of a construction site area and bring him civilian people to that site that would probably be an issue but what if and i thought is great i guess what i'm saying is you wouldn't have any buildings you would just do the grading first you construction phase plan as part of the prior to the summit permit or building permit issuance to be reviewed and approved by the plaintiff in the context of basically organizing circulation basically but from what i understand there is a a two inch meter and then it goes to a point and it's capped off the line is capped off at the  front of the property it does not already go through all the way through to the end of the property and i don't know when that could have possibly been constructed because we have someone that's been here you know for thirty four years and she's a former president of the homeowners association so so f o would be well aware of whether that line ever was constructed ok thank you and there are questions from the commission compared to the new drawings of the victory and your case current parking spot was that there was a negative impact the five or six stalls that are going to her and correct and  about five parking spaces there will be completely impacted because the only way that we'll be able to use those parking spaces is literally by going on the lot when they property to do that thank you things if we can leave it on that kind of level that would be better at this point you're going to see community planetary most application changing zoning applications and ult you're going to see a special management area allocation so especially at the estimate level is where we point to get it to this particular level which parking stalls are going to be impacted those kinds of things and hopefully that we can have all those things worked out by that adults be minimally a year from now when they will come back so there's going to be a whole lot of times a day off of work with the permanently lose stalls is that still is that legally or whatever the word is for it if you don't have a stall for every unit all of a sudden ok we'll have to deal with  six years ago so we went up to this point that we're at now and the economy got to a point where it was a feasible to continue so we've been through a lot of these cities we are completely aware of all the discussions going on right now the access has been proposed and requested of the owner and so basically at the request of the former planner at that time for the county we indicated the for future access and that's what that represents so that's basically the applicant's intent to pursue permission to access or so collected but that's something that folks are still considering yes and south collector road looks like you can get construction company absolutely the only thing we can do right now is guarantee you the owner will give them permission to access the property from that way but they are pursuing it and they're aware of how many people would be relieved to have them have that lighting at this property on the surface all the way it if you recall you were shown photos of the culvert at below the highway so it's it's on the surface as high as that area and it's coming all the way down so that you know it just follows some natural color and so only right at the box culvert so basically there's the gulch not sure we have a good picture of it but trying trying to find something there is basically the property is shaped like a swill go so so the water's coming from roughly mouth and it's running this way and then it will hit the box like a head will that the box called for and it'll come out on the surface of the parking lot once it once it reaches the level to go in and go over it does that just for my purposes of understanding there could be some kind of a graphic that shows that drainage way run through all of those correlation between the project and the current take i ninety building in the distance that's going to be  down from the market i don't know if there's a way to intercept some of that stuff and keep it from just passing through the site all the way through the driveway up here not a step in the right direction vote in favor of the recommendation and it was to allow the landfill should have a finished closing height of one hundred seventy six feet above mean sea level and be subject to the final closure plan that was noted as exhibit a and the decision in order went to this decision in order if it is in agreement today by the members that were there at that meeting it can then be memorialized and then sent off to the department of health for final confirmation of what the closing heights are and we can