pressure on the scaffold and they let me could cause it to become sentiment and he also said this he said a substantial hybrid collection or hyperextension the left wrist would be sufficient treating physician here he was the one who operated he was the one that saw him on several occasions as opposed to dr clay although i do think that there are some aspects of dr players occasions where the evidence is clearly erroneous that the commission is basing its venue on and is clearly evident in this case that if the commission is wrong in finding it should be reversed in this case it was  august of two thousand and seven and he didn't give that to push ups history of the doctor at that point so i said we can't go with that man and he certainly couldn't go with doctor readings of heading back to greece opinion was work that was the history yet when asked why he said well i know it's not in my notes say i shouldn't have i should have been clear in my notes and on that history but he did he told me he had pain in the breast ever since the accident tissue testified i didn't tell him that it doesn't pinpoint when it occurred is it consistent it's consistent with it with something in august of two thousand and six that's consistent with something perhaps two years earlier consistent with something perhaps six months later but he had no absolutely something so what's your response to that in march of two thousand and seven he starts physical therapy he starts doing exactly what he said but it was strenuous strenuous pressure on the rest when i don't know if you've ever had had shoulder surgery i have and they talk about it no i don't go out with a period of me either unfortunately but they have to say that they talk about these there are bands that you pull on it cetera that puts pressure on the rest they started that march nothing april may june july nothing forty nine visits to the physical therapist forty nine not one word about the left rest left shoulder commission and their gobble together excuse for a possible connection of pain and it is exactly that after the paragraph after they rejected the arbitrator's finding a possible connection said one hundred other grounds didn't cause him to have pain he testified that not for a year they cited his arm being immobilized for periods you did despite the fact that he said are you having us first in place of offering that period of time also they didn't tell you how long native tear was caused by the adventure but we know that he didn't have that pain he testifies very clearly dr breeding is wrong when he says i had pain from that date on i did not so his opinion contradict him and he doesn't want to look like he totally dishonest claim i mean those are the two opposing arguments on that the commission cited this a way to cease doing pushups but there's nothing in those forty nine visits to the physical therapist that bac that up and they talk about things that cause him to have increased pain etc in the shoulder and in the elbow and then they cited in their paragraph where they're trying to justify positive connection opinion  cited fisher complaining of graft risk extension during his july nineteenth two thousand and seven visit with dr reed that's just fiction that's made believe if you look at that  wrist also and that was a work injury and that was paid by him but he never ever in his records indicated they left wrist problem until august thirty two thousand and seven exception to that the chain of events the chain of events cause of connection then exists without a doctor's opinion chain of events is absolutely opposite this case chain of events you have a person who was asymptomatic before the accident and has immediate complaints without a doctor's opinion if you have those two things in an accident with a media complaints i felt my shoulder hurt immediately and went and got treated you don't need a doctor's opinion but in this case we have an accident shoulder and no complaints not immediate not a week later not three weeks or three months later it's a but that isn't the case here is a well it would be compelling for finding no house affection for the shoulder right but but this is compelling for the rest you don't have anything and he's not saying it covered that he did not testify that oh it was bad but i only mentioned my my shoulder because it was worse that's not petitioners testimony this is testimony as i did not have left wrist pain after the sax and maybe  symptomatic if that did so here we have one that's totally asymptomatic not already scheduled for surgery and he would have you believe the push ups that there are various commission  exists the medical evidence which is not someone who has a vested interest or secondary gain and people who are writing down what this man is complaining about they don't put that in there there's no evidence medical evidence actually support this man's claim nothing in the physical therapy records nothing dr green's records this decision is as the sending commission of pointed out speculative at best and we all know we can't have the surgeon based on speculation wrist but i don't believe so at all in reading the record i mean