will be included on the war that we need to vote on on the third to include them we're not voting on the substance of your will so that the board is not taking a position of yours but we just want to understand what they're about so that we can have an informed vote on april third as to whether they should be included within the warrant for in a meeting i think we have some other businesses to conduct we have a draft or opap and it is chase market community or with my guest to tour yes to discuss the park trash receptacle issue that we've heard a lot about and i actually met with them gentlemen and we're going to be surprised in terms of what this issue is and the amount of trash the people dispose of it parks is totally unacceptable and we have a lot of minutes shows to try to prove today as well we didn't submit those minutes to you and in the event we don't get through them all then we may not have officers will be assisting folks who have any questions it's very simple to use but that we will give a one time assist pass for someone who has a need of assistance for a couple that is parking meters are the latest thing rather than putting a meter in front of every spot and there's no need to put the ticket in your car you just put your plate in the in the meter so you don't need to go back to your car you don't need to go to the meeting go back to the person see i've seen at least one e mail suggesting that it's a back and forth type of thing you just go up with your license plate in and if you're there for thirty minutes for up to thirty minutes you can leave without putting any money in but if you believe you can be more than thirty minutes you need to pay how much did how much is it for the additional hour it as well lisa thank you i just wanted to announce that the belmont high school performing arts company is putting on a sensational show called chicago tickets are still available for tonight at seven am tomorrow afternoon and saturday night tickets are available at champions as well as at the door and on line for a wonderful thank you  ok all right we've ended up with five that we're recommending to town meeting the first one being the grocery tennis courts this is part of an ongoing program to renovate and rebuild our tennis court so as you may recall we've done p q we've done when brooke and now these are groceries and this is being sponsored by jay market of the d p w you'll notice that the prices escalated a little bit from the past two projects but that's to be expected our next one is assessment and project we development of sherman gardens this is to take a look at the buildings that sherman gardens and figure out what can be done to make them more handicapped accessible to add perhaps the ramps some elevators and to just in general make them much more livable for the senior citizens who live there this is just phase one of what going to look at santa to his options to build more housing on a sherman guidance site so not only it's an assessment for the handicap of a few other things of that nature but also through the normal process but you think they'll be state funding for i think we have no idea until we get ok assessed and we can put it in front of the state right all right sons of italy headquarters historical artifacts preservation we spent a long time on this it's a very interesting project in that the sons of italy headquarters in massachusetts happens to be in belmont concord ave and they have collected a significant amount of artifacts that they would like to more professionally preserve and so what we've done in conversations with them is say all right first of all we'd like to see some private funding we'd like to see them step up and provide some funding which they have either funding or in kind contributions in terms of computers and storage units and whatnot and then we're asking that they also open up that material one has been preserved to for example the schools researchers and cetera we had some debate as to whether we as a town c p a should be funding this is a state organization one of the arguments in favor of doing it is that c p a is state money in addition to town money  ago capital budget funded a study of the grocery playground for thirty thousand dollars this request is flowing out of that study to do everything that the study suggested would be over a million dollars and so this gross trees these grocery advocates are looking first for the walking path and it's intergenerational because the idea is that it's a pass that unites the various components of girl street playing fields and whatnot but it makes the whole field and the whole playground more accessible to senior citizens people in a wheelchair and people with strollers so that you've got you know like kids playing down there this just makes it easier to move million dollars it's so significant right now there's no entity in a town that can fund that and so the group has decided to pull out of that plan little by little and see what they can accomplish in small bites group has already worked with little league and soccer and all of those groups because they want everybody on board before they even start with what you're proposing and also there was a public meeting year c p a allocated twenty five thousand dollars to study what this group of friends of p q wanted to do it started as let's look at the playground equipment and see if we can upgrade them  it's grown considerably and it's subsequently backed off from how big it grew it's back down a little bit so this is now a fairly comprehensive revitalization a big chunk of the p q park and it involves drainage and other mitigations down there beyond just playground equipment the c p a we strongly encourage this group to seek out private funds to alleviate you know to reduce some of the costs of this they have come up with some private funds which reduce the total cost to six hundred fifty thousand dollars which once you get started out way more and it back down what was initially submitted to us w mean they work with community development and i also think it's not just the friends of p q park i mean everybody who uses that park you know supports doing this and you know to use e p a funds for continuation of fall what jim said there is a little clause in the c p a that we can utilize c p a resources for recreational facilities it's open space slash recreation and i'll just make this point i think the legislators in their wisdom put that aspect into the law about ten years after a law was passed can but they found out was that there isn't a lot of open space in a lot of these communities so this  probably you know ship should i say just a way that they can help the community utilize these resources and everybody the general public these monies can only be used for affordable housing it makes so much more sense to fix the issue rather than put it in play equipment that's going to be subject to the same kinds of finding that yes because it's a good point and in which we is a looks good or it doesn't look good and the reason for that is because a town meeting without that town meeting could certainly approve these projects but when the department of revenue comes in october november and they take a look at it they might say  that doesn't look like it's eligible for c p a funding so that it go back in the general fund budget this way going through all the due diligence with that type of body it saves us a lot of grief and i think due diligence is the right word to because you can have a project like this that has a i'm going to say punch list and i think that's the right word for it but you know the list of all the different things that have to be done and when you go to the state they actually go through that list ok that's great so that diligence i would know the one we had was that if once this project gets underway if it goes over that six hundred fifty thousand dollars they'll have to find funding that but they're there in the process of doing some fund raising and i don't know what the magic that was going to be but i wouldn't be surprised for them to come up with you know fifty sixty seventy five thousand bucks i think you know i think they're really going to go out approves it may third it's probably going to take you know a good fifteen to sixteen months to get off the ground because it's a good good sized project this isn't a project jay is waiting for but want to gets approved he'll have to fit it into the overall plan of the d p w so we talk about projects watch this and tell them that you know this project probably looks like a september october november of two eighteen next year ok so they're ok they're well aware that like a lot of these projects i think where i think we're wrapping up wimber tennis courts i was a project from two years ago it's takes time to get all it takes time to get all the stuff done i think to that point there is there's a limitation on is it three years that if so if a project right here is it's not engaged in three years right and then the approval goes away but that won't happen in this case no or the tennis court no i was going to raise the same point in time yeah but that's good because in the  specific project that you find you've always told us that you have to allocate those funds separately keeping the recount right there's a gap is required ten percent minimum you know for the three buckets and the ballots the seventy percent will go in the end designated bucket so what we do every year is as these projects kick off and we start coming up with the funding we'll try to draw from those buckets to make sure we don't have went back affordable housing we've got historical we've got recreation  to beginning so this is i'm wrapping up the sixth year and everyone will look at the projects and say from a town perspective this makes sense they don't look at it like this is something not to be over and wimber this is something out  the over it's true they truly look at it from a an overall time point of view and i think that's one of the reasons why for the most part we have you know animists votes there's absolutely no arm twist i think common good is it had a real or again absolutely i think we should also mention just briefly that before the public this money doesn't come out of real estate taxes or the general fund or any special reserves it comes out of the tax surcharge surcharge in the value of your house whatever the sest value you reduce it by one hundred thousand and then you multiply to the tax you get your tax base and then it's one and a half percent of your taxes so you know if you pay ten thousand dollars and it's one hundred fifty dollars so that's where the money comes from and it's floyd said it can't be used someplace else has to match recreational marijuana outlets george howell hall town council he was here to help in ok sure you're here for that i didn't really the purpose of this article is yes to ensure that the town has time to really consider where it wishes to locate recreational marijuana facilities and the and the really the sole purpose of this is to give the town a degree of insurance and protection against the somewhat unlikely possibility that the state will move very quickly on this and that we would end up with a state framework that would not be consistent with that would not give town meeting or the belmont residents a time of things are going on here they are looking at regulations the july first of twenty eighteen is also the the current deadline by which the the new cannabis control commission is supposed to start issuing licenses that the moratorium would be keyed into the earliest date which facilities would be likely to be able to open anyway the other issue that's somewhat of a state of confusion is that the referendum that passed makes provisions for towns to opt out of allowing recreational marijuana sales but them the procedure for doing that is very  unclear the proponents of the referendum i think clearly intended that a that a ballot vote would be required but it wasn't written very well into the statute the governor's office and the legislature that the statute really doesn't tell us what the procedure is for opting out and have strongly urge the governor's office the speaker of the house and senate president to address that in legislation there is a marijuana study committee in the in the legislature which just began hearings i think last week i know this issue was brought to their attention i do expect that at some point that i going to get resolved so it's seems prudent in the mean time to put some kind of provision in place it may turn out to be unnecessary  so i've been asked by all my ministry clients you know what's a reasonable cautious step we could take to to preserve our ability to opt out if that's the choice of the voters in the future and there is no really good answer to that but this is i think that a reasonable one george is one i commend you i think this is very necessary isn't there also an issue  yeah i think if nothing else we need time i think that's going to slow the state down a little bit i think so yeah there's uncertainty at every level of government he all the original deadline was they were supposed to stand to issue licenses no later than january first of twenty eighteen the legislature did an action amendment right after the first of the year pushing that back six months i don't think  will require a two thirds vote but it is absolutely neutral with respect to the question of should belmont out i'm going to this has no content it is only designed to give us time if necessary to consider this and have sufficient but also especially taking into account that if even if the opt out provisions are clarified and it's put to the voters there's no guarantee that the voters of belmont will choose to opt out in which case you would want to have some recreational marijuana has been legalized excise taxes the lowest of those taxes in colorado the tax pesah fight in the in question for is twenty five percent of what colorado percent of what next lowest so the legislature there is a lot of opinion in the legislature that the taxes are way too low and not enough to cover the actual cost to the government misspell it from being a spends are regulated so this is just a state sales tax  it's analogous to to alcohol you know excise tax like a restaurant and so the way the question for was drafted this is a certain percentage the town gets a percentage of that but the town also may be just a couple clarifying questions if somebody is watching this from home could you summarize where we are again on the medical marijuana so district that regulates the location of such facilities to be i think it's three hundred feet or five hundred feet i have to remember the exact i don't have exact measurement from schools will be allowed in those three locations if somebody wants to open when they come in from of the zoning board first they have to go to the state to get licensed ok so and that's a very long process they have to look at who the and i meant the planning board  electrical substation building is those out of their ears yeah those three areas ok thank you we're just outside of a designated distance between churches and schools and so forth and then with regard to this article right hasn't really been discussed yet i favor a tax on sodas you know soft drinks that have more than fifty grams of sugar in the city of philadelphia put one in and pepsi co is no longer s beginning with the list used in task force but looking at other communities as well and whether it's the current bylaws were consistent with the broad strategy of upgrading and revitalizing our commercial districts so the by law you have before you is intended to accomplish all things the the perhaps  will lead to an improvement in the quality and feel of the commercial districts it also means that we're getting ahead of pushing village projects and any other development that might happen  when we compare it to other communities or worse yet why did they different from quite a bit of provisions that were not contained in so a lot of what's in here is to sort of almost bring up the sign code of conduct a standards in we did work very hard with the town council to try to make the non conforming provisions more robust so they're not as not not like they were trying to make it so that hopefully over a period of time the signs will be partly to conformance with you know if i may add just to build upon what you were talking about your idea the way to implement something like that would be to set up  some design guidelines that we would like to see within our squares and and centers and then have a design  review type committee that can raise funds and say the businesses if you want to upgrade your science consistent with our by law we will pay fifty percent or thirty percent and then that way they would do it voluntarily rather than and then we imposing it and we would offer a financial incentive and i think many communities do that because it is an expense to change your science here so that would be the way to accelerate it and it's something i think this is or should consider and the science weren't part of the year so people are going to have to come back for that and those permits haven't been issued so what you have you're happy with with regard to cushing though in other words what you're proposing to tell me yes the specifics of the like an artist i would miss that like you know there are people who literally religiously worship that side while yeah you go to the game just to see that anyway let's see let's turn to this  resolution that will look at the question of this one nine hundred ninety override which continues to come up as a way to not discuss other waste options such as page or throw waste actions so the goal of this non binding resolution is for the board to consider all options in the upcoming contract that we have this coming up this fall in the back then the state require that overrides be linked to a specific purpose this was for triage however the town council many years ago has determined that there is no legal obligation that the mike widmer and i said you know we're not going to in tain discussion about different options on pay as you throw or anything like that is solely to give the board the permission to  encourage the board to look at all options and put aside to move beyond what the one nine hundred ninety override says can i can i just ask a question because it's on that point  i support looking at all options number one i want to put that on the table here and i support looking at all options but if what you're trying to do is get the sense of the community and how they feel on that nine ninety override the override was passed by the residence it was a ballot vote yet your polling town meeting members shouldn't this be a ballot issue well i just press you're right sammy ideally would be good to have a go to referendum unfortunately the timing on this is such that we have to go to bed this fall we don't have an election coming up until after  use it for what it was passed for on the other hand if i were the selectmen and based on conversations i've had with a number of number you over the years you absolutely want to keep using it for what it was approved for because in the future there may be needs for future overrides and you need to have confidence from the members of the community that you will uphold the reason that they put in that that that extra taxation on the flip side how do you deal with a situation where reality has changed over time and it makes sense to re evaluate the way that money is used and create a flexibility in how you look at options this came up in the last iteration of the solid waste committee in the beginning there was a lot of  lot of support from the selectmen for the idea pays you throw in the potential that the money that it would save marc was the only person i think on at that time as it got closer to having to go out to bid there were great concerns that this override had made a moral commitment to the town that you were going to not charge for trash and so that di my view and this is not just related to this override but others potentially as well as there needs to be a way to start assessing the ability to evaluate new uses for the money so that you don't feel like you're going against what the voters supported the override for and yet you gain flexibility potentially going forward whether or not you decide pay as you throw is a way to go which they're arguments for and against so you know i think it makes sense to get a sense of the town on this it may turn out that the town doesn't want to change the way they look at it  turn out that they do if they turn out if it turns out that they do and there is a sense that that's not good and often there needs to be an override general vote on it you know i guess that's something that that can be entertained but this takes us  i think at least one positive step in the direction that says hey things have changed since one nine hundred ninety town meeting which represents a town would be ok if you guys looked at it differently than you did twenty five years ago because for that i think the comment can you said we're not going to be debating the term eating so let me just go to the article itself right and we can debate throw it in you know for me i think i've said this to you doug working group there are members of the working group and the working group is looking at the options and will be making a presentation to the selectmen of what those options are so that you can consider them higher tuition in the bin i mean i think we should consider them so my point is is this redundant if we're doing that anyway or you have concerns that the working group is not considering patient through a no no i my concern is there are many people in this community who are concerned about this one nine hundred ninety override and that should that i said ok if i said that i know that that was a factor and that i was probably not like reference that because it's been a long time since nine hundred ninety and understand that we make commitments to the community we should stick to that but as you say realities have changed my point in all of this and i think we should be open minded pages for as i see it as an additional tax on residents to pick up their trash when we've already had a very robust and successful ride we have a significant debt exclusion vote for the high school plus other major building projects we maybe need another all right in the future and then i can see certain residents in town like senior citizens of particular say so you raise my taxes now you text me to pick up my trash now i get there environmental aspects of it we you know becomes a participation rate recycling and perhaps it does reduce waste i don't know whether hazard reduction in ways probably folks could we hear a report later how some of the folks in dumping trash at the parks to me it's more about how much can we really tax our residents and less about tonight and right if i said that the past and i know there are others i feel differently about this back in ninety nine we made a commitment to the residents yes we did to me it's more the commitment we need to make today terms of cut i mean obviously money is fungible and there are not that many places where you can have small changes in behavior that actually result in cost savings for the town i guess i i i'm a little concerned because it sounds was concerned he had the same concern as you and and we agreed to limit the discussion so not on the merits of patient throat because this is not town meetings role to get into designing a patient through a system there are lots of  to build upon what mark said what's going to make it a substantive discussion is pay as you go is mentioned in the article which is what's going to make it a substantive discussion if you had mentioned no options i think it would have been more neutral that's my point of view that it's not something i would consider i want to hear the report of the working group so i think we are foolish obligation to in fact do exactly what this article suggesting the point i'm making to you kim and doug is that we're doing that already so why are we doing this so  so you know that's a clear example of something that been overcome by then and you don't need to do that anymore my question to george if we may remain does that mean that that over right has to stay in place and in the in the funds are fungible purpose or really just allowing you to increase the appropriation for that item for the upcoming fiscal year and then succeeding fiscal years there are no legal restrictions on how that money can be spent that one of the reasons the statute was amended to allow special purpose funds or that can be funded by overrides was to try to to maintain these earmarks and in perpetuity exactly because people felt that prop two and a half as originally written allows a sort of short term bait and switch so the reality is i think at least it was stated correctly it's a political issue more than a legal one once once that year passed and you paid for trash pick up you're not bound by it except in terms of your compact with your voters mark mark it's my belief that this helps solve we're never going to tax your trash from now until the end the time but that doesn't make us but that's not that wasn't the question on the ballot and that's not how it works now i know there are some but so if somebody comes to the microphone and says that we're going to have to tell them that might  to tell them right now no george will be there george can type in and so the point is that and i appreciate the point of view of folks that work for the so bright and supported it back in nine hundred ninety we made a commitment to the residence but it's so many years later times have changed like right after i got here and i have towns didn't necessarily have the revenue to pay for their plate or pay and that may have been the reason why the budget had to be adjusted to pay for that that also mean can two thousand and ten we were actually using the money to do that money has still been used for that it's still an expense that belongs to the town it's just the way it was funded and that wasn't necessarily option because you weren't necessarily getting the tonnage in that you had been assigned when the town another i'm just throwing hypothetical hany brought up what pay as you throw is one of the options that will be presented for your consideration of the way that it is implemented if it's fully funded if it's not fully funded if it's and it's the company but you know excuse me the student awareness of fire education it's my understanding that a recent fire in town included a situation where one of the residents took the batteries out of the fire alarm the smoke alarm and it was just very fortunate that there wasn't a loss of life in that in that regard because one of the other neighbors who was in in the residence smelled the smoke and was able to knock on the everybody's doors but i think this is exactly the kind of thing that you want you know you want people out there saying don't take the batteries have of the smoke alarm because or replace the batteries the she represented him she was singing one of his songs and she got in trouble and then she said oh i'm so sorry i'm so sorry it's worth watching ok but she said the reason that she got in trouble was because she was so nervous so here i am presenting so there's no other reason behind it and what i'm saying is today you and phyllis were talking about what we're going to do in april and you're going to there's not enough time to do all this right and i'm thinking to myself would i like to go into next year which is going to be a tough year with five selectman or would i like to go in with three so if i go in with five i have guy carbone me i have that  total expenses are one hundred fifty five million dollars our total revenues if you put grants and everything in are around the same it's a it's you know do what bankers do you rounded up its one hundred sixty two million dollar corporation we're trying to run it  with three people who can't talk to each other outside of an open meeting we need to change this arrangement if we can so i started with the people who tried to do it last time that was to bass and paul solomon or the  government structure of yukio exactly and i'm not saying that they support the article or the motion that's before you because i haven't been able to follow up with them but what happened was the last time it was put forth paul solman was running for selectman it was kind of a political season that season and when he won then it went to town meeting and if you look at the minutes of town meeting it's less than a page long and everybody goes congratulation paul we don't need to do this anymore so what what i think what i would like to do is to have this discussion take place at town meeting it would have to be on the ballot i will i've you know i have people who are going to help me with a more detailed presentation but i want to say i'm not really selling anything i think the town is big enough the job is big enough we need to be able to have five people we need to be able to you know i would you know i would like to be selectman to find him you know you could be the chair sammy could be in charge of what would you like to be entered i mean we were you know we had you like brightness practice and family no no i understand that's why you're doing it but but still if there were five of us you know guy guy said he'd like to be in charge of cattle prod capital projects that would be a great choice either you or adam and the schools and then what you do is you delegate you know to these select and and then the two of us can talk to each other you know you can have two people i've met i've met this week on our topic on monday for two hours with three different people and i can't talk you guys i mean does that make any sense and i'm not i know we'll brownsburg or thinks that you can operate under open meeting on saying ok fine i understand that i think we do a good job whoever wants to join had submitted for consideration ok just a quick note about three times system since december we have been creased up portfolio from ninety one million to well over ninety four million and we are currently rated as being in the thirteenth percentile of our peers nationwide we have an actual return of eight point nine percent some one point four percent above i was shown rate of investment return of seven point five  understand what they're about to inform us for our vote on whether to include them or not on the our war and if that makes sense to you and when i get a vote on whether we recommend favorable or unfavorable action we're here to just understand what they're about article on the war or not that's our prerogative we will do that on the third if that's all we're doing today and then for the public since you're on t v smile you're on candid camera when you say you were ranked were ranked in the to them for ok so we're going to do this one first so this is a benefit payable just as of members who died in service so they didn't die because they had an accident on the job this is they just passed away for another reason think of it sort of as an ordinary d so right now if those people we've got we pay a minimum benefit if if that benefit doesn't exceed two hundred fifty dollars a month we raise it to two fifty that's what it says by a lot this local option allows us to raise the minimum benefit to five hundred dollars and so we currently have four people right now a month yes very much so they would get six thousand dollars a year we currently have four people in this category to get a total of six thousand per year yes and so we had siegel prepare a benefit estimate to us and that would be for the people who are currently receiving us that would get increased that was estimated at thirteen thousand eight hundred five dollars for each of this is an impact for people but it that puts in place something for future as well not  only currently it impacts for people but this increase in costs for the retirement system will be in place for other survivors in the future it will be in future right and we have no way benefit from three thousand to six think they only get three thousand per year it's a met that's the minimum benefit so this is a calculation that we're raising the floor from three to six yes it's not it's not of it's not like it's a big benefit if it's the minimum and there are some people who get more than this anyway they're not impacted by it is it is a calculation based on age that we read that spreadsheet know just curious siegel saying it's thirteen thousand for the nineteen budget but the overall impact on the unfunded liabilities eighty four thousand for just the four individuals correct that am i reading that right anything the reason for that is just is this just a watch changer we haven't caught up with it or exactly yet these have been in place for a while these are these are ones in the legislature passes it state and teachers do these right away the rest of the boards generally get under local hundred ninety seven when there was a large change and the accidental disability retiring was not allowed to choose option c which is the joint survivor benefit which means he or she the employee who retired could not provide a lifetime benefit for his or her spouse if the if the member dies if the retiree dies of a cause that's not related to the disability there's no joint survivor if they die of a cause related to their retirement then there's going to be an accidental death benefit in this was to come into play so we you know we we don't know i just i just did a quick scan of the retirement dates to look and say and once again  even go to twelve that point that's what they did for us ok so currently into using the member survivor option that currently there's not a provision that's been changed since ninety seven for someone to elect option c rect yeah yeah and that means someone there retiree who's disabled and i see way from something other than what they do with their disability was correct at the point  disability now they can choose option c if they die of an unrelated cause we paid two thirds of the benefit they were receiving on the date of their death that so this is a finite buying spouse yes and they can choose that today yes but historically you couldn't they were not allowed he's individuals to get more of a best friend a vigils that currently would fall into this category that if their spouse were to pass away from something other than what they were disabled and other people in this category who retired during this period who couldn't to see they're still living so we have no way to say we don't know we don't know obviously you know we wish them a long and healthy life that we don't know the board just voted the three percent this will stay for that seven one two thousand and seventeen call will be three percent on the first twelve thousand feet which was just voted yesterday so this is will go on and would go into effect next year so we can only pay a cost of living on the cola base which right now is twelve thousand dollars so that's the caps the amount we can pay it hasn't been increased it could've been increased already you know that the legislature passed that the board hasn't done it so we're just asking to bring the color base to fourteen thousand dollars so we would pay three percent on the first fourteen thousand dollars of the benefit so it's a minimal increase there looking the retirees are looking at a pretty significant health insurance fourteen against actually change in ninety seven ninety seven we've been you know that well the town meeting voted on that ninety seven to accept deposition but then but then we didn't go to fourteen no done that hasn't been brought into the base change sixty four age group that will still be on the regular active plans but again even if they're on the medicare plans that nine percent will be on the harvard plan as well then there will be some relief so to speak on january first when we implement the though i don't get it for medicaid nine percent is the working rate for that act for the insurance benefit the health insurance fund that for the town medicare so basically once you become medicare eligible you have to go on medicare and b that covers eighty percent of your costs and it doesn't include the prescriptions so retiree could opt to simply have medicare and now nothing else or they could opt  medical correct and then d is the prescription yes which you could take that on your own but most people opt to take a supplement plan either with us or on their own which covers the twenty percent for the medical that b doesn't cover plus the prescription think that their health care expenses going up nine percent because it's not i mean that's that's not what's happening to them they're supplemental plans or some of them well they're supplemental you to me this are under sixty five but right i got i don't have i'm with that number no no i understand they may be substantially may not be what we want we just don't want you know right well not that nine percent out there for everybody because that's militia sh'ma cite a simplified example is right now if we grant three percent call on twelve thousand dollars that's a dollar a day an increase to fourteen dollars an on the base cola it's an additional sixteen cents a day  portfolio has increased so there's they have the obligation to manage to try to make their actuarial rate of return every year they also those there's more file is filing requirements so the board members are required to education they have to complete a minimum of eight hours of training for each three year term so there's forms they have to fill out there's training they need to go to that was you know was changed after the strike and went into  i mean the increase admittedly doesn't compensate you for the time you put in ok but that's not why you serve i don't think people are serving for the stipend that's not why we serve i don't know forty five hundred could travel some distance back and forth no compensation we can apply far but i've been on the board twenty years and never applied for compensation for travel on the most important thing is to have meetings at eight o'clock so you don't have to we have a eight o'clock in the morning we've been thinking about getting mark  my son in the driveway and it was one of the kids that made me feel like he was normal i love this kid i did our house and his mother was a housekeeper up on down one hell of a father was a contractor and one day gustavo with over for dinner and he told me that they had to move back to brazil what are you talking about he says my mother has been cleaning houses on the hill has been trying to get paid and she isn't being evil and they she was going to try to get some help and she was told that if she went to the police they were going to let the police know that she was an illegal and she is an illegal which i had not known at the time and and it was very upsetting because gustava said where i come from that bad and people get killed today and i'm afraid and i don't want to go back and  pleaded with the mother to let us keep to start over that we would figure out a way and that he would live at our house and if she was so scared that she needed to go back to brazil she could but i wasn't going to let her take him with a week later they would go what the son was god i love him i'm not letting you take my son and he stopped was somehow found a computer and he was connected with me for about two months and told me how horrible it was and how much he hated it and how he wanted to come back and then i didn't hear from him and i had no idea what happened to  with so on to the next we have elected a president who started to do a ban on immigrants coming to this country and there were stops at airports and we know people that were angry cards or had said on h one b ones and our at our local hospitals and they were being stopped at the airport and held even though they actually had pieces here and so same time during the campaign it was that we were going to be getting rid of certain kinds of people and based on their ethnicity or their religion and it started to bring back my thoughts about this davo and what he went through and where he is today and then i started to learn from friends at school that their children were being told to go back to their countries that they were going to need to go back and it was actually in very with the school system and the teachers are trying to teach in the children are getting scared and they are afraid that their parents are at home and maybe when they get home they won't corroded by fear where we had children that were sitting in classrooms that were more afraid of not being and not having parents when they got home or just being bullied at school and you know my my personal view is that this person that we've elected has these tactics which are frightened people and i want our school system to be focused on educating kids and not on children having to be afraid and they're having to be teacher parent meetings and then we have the school superintendent having sent out a notice to all the parents asking people to calm down and finally our police department when we stop people we don't ask where think they know but this is the same young person that might have been in high school a year ago right so my mind truthfully i do the biggest reason i wanted to pass is just because i want people to see that as a community the majority of us are going to support anyone and don't want to do is afraid and if you are an illegal and you are cleaning houses and somebody is threatening you that you can still go to the police that your rights are just the same as the rest of our so this is wh i'm certain we have people that don't have pieces in our town and i know that that's very upsetting to some people but i think based on my experience it enhanced my family's life i know we kept jim from the police department that seems aligned with this and one of those george will perhaps join us in just again this is in just simply understanding your article we're not voting on it today from here whether we recommend fairborn fable action but what is a resolution telling me you are you working on this and i mean what do you mean he said when it let me just read this what the m e p c said is while this memo should not be read as this is from them metropolitan area planning council by the executive director says why this memo should not be read as formal legal advice we believe cities and towns interested in preserving or initiating welcoming policies have good indefensible reasons to stay the course work closely but we've got to actually see what the solutions that was helpful yeah i think i i think that's a good memo it explains that the the controversy over sanctuary cities and possible loss of federal funding is contingent on a lot of different things like a for they could  anything and when there's there are both there are two massachusetts cities who are in court currently challenging the executive order so and this being a non binding resolution that doesn't actually dictate that any actually prohibit the police from cooperating with i c in certain respects and you know and i based on that memo that may also not be a problem but this what what what and is describing here is well short of that kind of yeah yeah i can ask a question that the phrase everybody hears about the noses sanctuary city ok and i thought the first draft sought to designate belmont as a sanctuary city what's the difference is there a difference between sanctuary city and what this article is people that use the word thanks larry it's a negative just like they've turned the word liberal into a definition of sanctuary cities i think some cities have called themselves that based on policies that mostly surround the attitude that police have toward asking questions about citizenship there's obviously widespread concern in cities that if you if you make people fearful about calling the police because they're afraid they're going to be deported that they won't report domestic violence they won't report you know that ho eight hour civil detainer requirement and there's some controversy in the law enforcement community about whether it's appropriate for a police department which does not have probable cause to hold think the way the job that we do is one that we are always looking to help people and have unity that's not paul that's off color so that's a mission statement if people read it we're here to  matter and we're not in the point of asking people first and foremost their you know immigration status is that you know the question that i have i guess is  you know i think as you if you read the memo it answers a lot of the questions but the first and foremost question like how far it is concerning as far as the how it impacts as we know we also have for the last state laws problem by laws but my concern is if the language within the welcoming designation concerns me because there's some things here that tell us on one side of it that we're not going to abide and but obviously in eight u s code section one thirteen seventy three communication between government agencies and the immigration and naturalization service in general notwithstanding any other provisions of federal state or local law a federal state or local government entity or official may not prohibit or in any way restrict any government entity  from sending to receiving from the immigration and naturalization service information regarding the citizenship or immigration status lawful or unlawful of any individual now if so the point is and some of the information there this is the contact no this is the but the resolution is these two items that were resolving this context yeah i believe if i'm reading ok so we're in the whereas that creates concern for you whereas in some communities local law enforcement agencies are used to collect and that decision much as fire if i use when we if somebody is making arrested we do the process for all citizens the way we would interact with also just like all right and what happens then as if somebody has whether it be what would be if it's just even operating without allies and i understand that so i don't the again this all this says whereas in some communities local law enforcement agencies not not seen belmont are used to collect and deliver immigration status data to ice and without a court order what we do is when the process if we get something a notification from ice and this here it says the belmont police do not respond to ice requests for information i was a criminal warrant has been issued or unless and the vidual is suspected of a serious crime in that central element was the individual's immigration status we don't hold onto the immigration status we don't do that that's the federal side you know but that's why i'm saying that having been there i just find it  that it's based on the chief's memo it's really that they're not making the decision there that that information goes to the to the bail court and part makes that decision we don't make so yes the police off the police department isn't jamie if you want to join it is not what i mean you can speak from that we need to come up here to the mikes so we can hear you but if i could just have a point of clarification yeah i guess i'm trying to do this has to be included we can't make a decision to exclude so will be on the warrant ok so what are we talking we're just here to be informed about it when i'm making that assumption to position again if i had i apologize chief and assistant chief i knew if you were coming we would have waited and i just thought since you were here when we just talked about it knowing full well that as a citizen is petition we as a board like would have to include in the warrant that we have no debate there's no debate on that but we're just here just be informed about it and that's wh community have done it like on it and they have a disclaimer on the end that says that the police if they will cooperate with the case to work basically you're asking us to do is if i scald and says he does i can use somebody's name that we've dealt with in the past and you have to  they live in belmont we would say we can't give you that information something as simple as that not going out and grabbing the person or taking him into custody or assisting ice and taking him into custody it just says we won't provide any information to them that runs contrary to federal law and so what you're asking us to do is not cooperate with another law enforcement agency that we would expect cooperation in return if we had a case to the point is so then the point is that this is not an accurate the whereas i while there are other law enforcement agencies ok so that's helpful all right so that the only concern you have about that comment there i have a concern about the second to last where i was also because that that references the belmont police department will or will not do something and i suppose if i understand the non binding nature of this article the town meeting can vote for it but it has no meaning is that basically what it felt just put their medical pressure any way i do understand the concern that to the extent of the town is declaring its belief that the belmont police department currently pursue certain powers practices and policies and the statement of that's relevant i mean it's all of it's not relevant to the point is what is the resolution is that is the resolution act written statement of policy or not and if it isn't you need to just let you know that george just stated the point that i was making we're not debating the substance of the resolution whether i'm in favor or board in favor of ok we're discussing the the the where as in if the bellman police department does not have a long term policy of not asking you to vidual immigration status and that we need to change that but you're saying that you do that you have a long held policy of not asking any individual about immigration status you go with a practice not a policy right we don't we don't have written down that you shall not ask somebody about their immigration status because that's silly it could come up and wh we're trying to protect somebody who's an immigrant with an individual seeking help from the police or a stop or a minor infraction you don't ask about their immigration status is great you say no rights and that's we can't for message show you one thing you've never been sworn you need to look at this right so the whereas a bum a police point will continue it's one cup policy of not asking an individual immigration status when that individual seeking help from the police or stop for a minor infraction and  my contacts with jamie i mean so then therefore i mean i think what you need to do then therefore if it's not consistent with what the current practice is the net i think it's just needs to be changed but the money for the current  on the resolutions because the resolution is to me or just simply stating that's really the sort of the media this is what we're resolving if the whereas or it are incorrect and we need to clarify that but it's really the resolution that people are voting on not to where as well my  going to be but i think this is important in what for me is what the point is that in supporting something like this i would want to understand that it's not inconsistent with what the current police policy is or kaiser hints but they would in and others are attempting to do here sort of control jim ok so i know you're going to fall on whether we support it right right and that's where we have been but but that's a subsequent picked up that is so what's happening now is we're just saying ok i'm in good faith you know and should discuss these i think that they are probably the course of action is to sort of come together on this so that we are aligned in terms of what you currently do what you can do what you you know support and hope that we can you move forward to say thank you and take care of you know it seems to me that we can we have to we have to to stick what what what the purpose of this meeting is and that is you know not to argue about the substance but if it is confusing i think you'll be confusing to town meeting to see if somebody has an article that that is somehow limiting the police department one way or the other it doesn't seem to me that even if the town votes for it but it would have any understand it but perhaps they can get together and change the article to move differently in another life but i have two grandmothers kidnapped from new delhi and relocated to jamaica and she came but we made sure you know this stuff happens in the world and we we made sure that we sponsor her for citizenship we paid taxes and we made sure that all of this would was done correctly so thank you for that how you districts struggle with across the commonwealth as we do here but what we believe that creating such a fund will be a way for us too having a savings account in in the case that we do  have overruns that are artificial tuitions and to bring the the board back to the day where when when i came in three years ago we were short seven hundred fifty thousand dollars in the first day of my arrival most of that or all of that was special education  the district tuitions the overripe provided significant support of that line as we move forward over the next three fiscal years we also get i d e a money which is federal money for support of special education students and we get circuit breaker funds as well from the state that support that line that line continues to be a challenge each year and this fund that we're asking only to create a town meeting not to deposit any funds at this point in time but only to create  would allow us to have a space that we could die deposit funds in during a fiscal year we could ask the school committee and the board of selectmen for a vote to access that money to to remedy any shortfalls that we have an outline and this is different from and that's why you clarified it to reserve one when we established a special education to stabilization direct fund we have currently have one it's still on our books there's no money in it we use the money in it and the staff and we established the time thank you george for joining us requires two thirds vote from town meeting to appropriate from that and seems to me that the intent of  school aged child who i go into the town clerk's office and i have to enroll my child into the school system just part of you you have to enroll your child into the school system that your child's school one of those done it's a complicated process essentially if you are a resident of the time and you demonstrate residency then you're allowed access to the school school departments cannot ask f however when families apply for certain vsa related residences to attend school they may have a piece of that would allow them to work at harvard for two years and they have a b one b ser or there's a couple  petition this year to transfer a sum of money from an appropriate is fun namely free cash to retrieve cash into the general stabilization it's very similar to the titian i did it last year it's a process is going on so i needed to get that on there because i didn't know how the bug you could come out how the spending plan would come over this hill eighteen when i looked all i had to go on was the february thirteenth budget process and i frankly  of the bait and where do you fund our current expenditures which i stand and that isn't yet move forward but hopefully that we're with from this board is working with the work committee can gather a few individuals there jim gamble made i think it's really important think what you're seeing here bob as well is we have to do everything we can just say for rainy days that are coming and that means keeping the general stabilization fund robust and as much money as possible you know is that a number that like the hopefully i think it's a floor and that certainly the legislature will go up on that probably not but leaving all of that aside it seems to me we could come out of this budgetin which i'd be happy to provide you with this forward on me since it's your position it would be i think would be good to get you to be involved i think you should ultimately i'll be i mean i think ultimately i would be the one selecting the amount of money to go into the motion as with last year i would hope that that amount of money is one that everyone has agreed upon is a good idea i think you know i thought i thought it was a good idea last year i think it's a good idea this year but i've also talked and talked to martin's family about managing the town under proposition two and a half from override override so i think it's important that we actively manage you know our cash flow i prefer to have it where you want to have it if it's free cash because there are certain things that we're doing in there are certain things that we're not doing we had the retirement board before us this morning they earned eight point nine percent last year but in truth isn't fifteen they only earned a million dollars instead of six so our pension obligation went from sixty three million to seventy five and you know that there is there is some thought that that this cash if it comes out of operations if we're not if we're not meeting our objectives for employee benefits unfunded employee benefits that some of that should be redirected in that direction to lower those liabilities and as you know because we've discussed it we're going to see old have on the balance sheet in six thirty two thousand and eighteen in the numbers going to be somewhere around  whether the modular units should be in the two thousand and eighteen budget or not and we decided no in not king comes back so we're going to have to have a town meeting special town meeting in the fall so  should be funded by it it should be bonded you have to protect this cash flow because we don't know what's going to happen you know in terms of managing the town actively and trying to manage it up prop two and a half and we have all these different people as you there's going to be a lot of the bait on this matter and you know the board is really in a position this is a challenging issue for this board and we need to be as informed as precedent setting and precedent setting where we just need for everybody to be operating from just say you know if you look at the three to five idea you look at what we're talking about on the agenda on monday and you know you know by electing a life or to give the board of selectmen more time to actually work on what i think we want to work of a point in like what i think i support you know point that but jim i think we haven't done that work and we're so busy with so much other stuff that having sort of additional discussions over the summer months about our five year plan you should join do that as well and i never get a phone call that's ok i cry thank you for having us and to speak on this matter the public works has been working behind the scenes i would say is dealing with illegal dumping overflowing of the barrels in the parks fields playground areas throughout town  good about that so right now currently this is what public works does we empty the barrels at the parks and the field story times a week monday wednesday friday russell our contractor for our trash collection trash recycling and yard waste collection they pick up the barrels or empty the barrels of the business district three times a week monday wednesday friday april through december we public works have two person crew on overtime going throughout the fields and parks on saturday to empty the barrels again we also currently we empty the barrels when they're over filled throughout the week and we with illegal dumping or litter and throughout the country in the circles of circles that i work with public works and i know that i've said this nauseum it's the feel of the dream concept if you build it they will come if you have trash barrels the trash will come and you'll see what we're talking about is what public works has been dealing with behind the scenes and marybeth has been people motivated you point is people are dumping trash here that night just because this is soft off the you know softball field the carpet out of this is obviously after a softball of on the barrels are right there they look so they look like they have some space in there and they are still use first of all this with me i cannot believe right whoever is playing softball down here maybe it's mentally here that i can't believe this is the same gusting those of you at home and i don't know who's in charge of the sop the men's recreation softball league this is totally unacceptable and you have adult men who think it's this man's up all the right perhaps it could be either or either or whomever it might be and i just suggested that are having beers after the game which is fine i suppose right or whether it's legal or not but instead of putting the cans in the trash barrel which is clearly you can see you can do that they just throw them on the ground and leave that is so totally unacceptable and we need to deliver a message to the league children to see that their parents are doing that i mean you got to be kidding me put it in the trash barrel so it's i just leave it like that i think you were going to come by and pick it up i'm so furious about this this is what made me angry w he took a picture of a picture of that do you believe that send champagne bottles on the floor if we removed those two barrels do you really expect that they'd say oh there's no barrels here so we're going to take our cats with us right now there's no we have no signage saying this is a carry on carry out playground facility or or a field this is a trend throughout the country if you go to any like boston harbor island or not all the d c are properties but most of them are carrying some education it's not going to stop i'm not going to say it's going to stop the problem but will do is or reduce the problem well well rather if i may you know get rather then i don't think these guys would be deterred by  side ok these guys will be deterred by a side do we need to add some teeth and then to by law impose fines for this kind of conduct let them be taken it by the police isn't that it isn't that permit today until we get some representation from the softball league that they will either it could reset the cause of the use them or pick up and carry it's really and you know you're going to see as we go through it it's not just that's not what we're talking about here is the caring carryover part i could speak to a couple of different ways that that's town field which is i think that's it's a it's decking for like a pool don't think that there is a refrigerator bar and as you can see someone put i think put it out in front of the house and it's not cut correctly so instead of cutting it they decided to put it out and you can see it's been out for a while because trash can go to public the barrels but that's illegal dumping because how we play in the roots and everything is for household trash to be in front of household trash and not to be a public barrels public barrels of  single use on the go type of items and they have turned into anything so not only are doing a deal with the parks in the fields it's also deal with the incorrect use of public barrels this is london street so are you talking about removing barrels no this is not so this is just what we're dealing with and how it's can it's a bit basically abuse of of the public barrel it's clearly overflowing and you know they're still going to put it in there that right there on your left is a boring so on there for a concrete floor that's dumped on water street  exactly someone from someone that's been here long enough when i started i started on the group and i can tell you the town barrels as it takes in everybody's trash that they don't want if you have a lobster dinner you have fished in a grease ends up on the town barrels and i can tell you firsthand because i have emptied those barrels personally i can tell you is not a lot of good things and ends up in those barrels you talk to me about concerning you has this as a concern that some day we're going to find something in one of these barrels it's going to cost the town a lot of money to get rid of and jay has had some experience with another community he worked with that came across you can have a lot of functions and maybe have some functions outside of your house then it increases now these pictures were probably just the one on the left was just recently taken the one on the right was probably last was definitely last summer when you know and these are the recycling containers that we have tried and you can see what's happened there you know recycling it or not they're not recycling they just put it on top and this is a way place where the other part too about the recycling containers is well you know i'm pretty sure that none of us in this room would do this but i mean just just if you would you wouldn't give your family would do it i mean what so what i'm curious about is if we start in force they've been treated but i think i should just not everybody jim jim asked a great question but there are ten percent five to ten percent of the folks that live in our community that you have disregard complete disregard for how the community looks like it's just respectful to the rest of us that you know try to treat this community you know as the gen that it is to throw beer cans and champagne bottles and trash from their houses it's totally disgusting out what it is you know barrels at the fields or in playground yeah increases safety so this there are communities it right now in massachusetts that do not have barrels at any of their schools or school playgrounds because of things of this nature these wafts squirrels rats siegel's pigeons starlings all of them are basically in my world that we call them factors but they all ash attracts you know try to track sectors correct and they they carry with them allergies and some life threatening diseases and i think i think everyone knows that basically what we're trying to get at with this and you know all the other things that go behind if i had to i think and these are just examples of communities that have seen some like westford is entire town is carrying carry out and the rest are have some portion are one park or the other with that of course you know one quick question any cost savings with i'm limiting this policy i've talked to the director probably works in westford for a while a little sweet and he said that it didn't eliminate it but it definitely reduced it and it was happening before now with with the education program and the lack of barrels is definitely reduced know so that i think that makes sense showmen to have a subject of discussion of this before you implement the policy is park emissions and you know what what the course of action should be i think you're recommending caching to carry and carrying carry out carrying carry out that's just for the parks just parks and playgrounds and then market and then we can decide and enable those even if you give us six months to see how it goes i'm just suggesting as chair today but we'll see what the new board wants to do but i mean  you know we've had a presentation we're informed about it as it makes sense to do it sort of put something in place temporarily see what what happens if there's an improvement not for the residents are concerned about  the board selectman and you know the provider in recreation department will revoke their license to play if that happens again i'll talk to thank you thank you thank you this we have two other matters and that here report i like to be able to leave by noon if possible time is when it's quarter of one is i don't want to visually emails and then we have minutes so you want to discuss that first and then what's the draft at so we've incorporated that request for the two different actuary studies for the period and given some time frames for that and some structure where we want you you know i think of i think it's fine i think timing is still of the awesomest only thing i'd be concerned about is if the opec committee you know wasn't having another meeting for weeks or something like that i would prefer just yeah james fine with it i'm fine with it ok my understanding was that the oh pat that jeff and ralph would represent the members and they would represent that element of review so if you're mailbox with regard with group signature on it i think it was forwards to all of you directly and so there was a concern about whether those kinds of emails were how they should i spoke to us about this i had two problems with that one was it was very political and secondly it wasn't from anybody it was some it was some group that you know side and they had their own email address so you couldn't get back you couldn't get back to people you know and so i i don't like to get that kind of information i don't like to get anonymous information i know the police can have anonymous information because people may not want to have their name associated with reporting a crime but i don't think people should seek to influence us anonymously no i agree and i think it's important to convey this message on camera today a couple years ago there was a concern that even worse that many e mails and not getting some acknowledgment and so in some cases there they are there is always an acknowledgement that it's been received and in some cases it's sent to the department even though it comes to you if you go to your town e mail box you'll see it in any case and it goes to if it's a department specific request then we thought it to their prospective department me right from getting it in writing yes ok that's true if everything if it's addressed to the spokesman we got it we got it automatically took in your town without any review by you yeah that's right it's only when you send it t right so can we decide gentleman should i mean monday going to be really busy meeting and some of these minutes are from january to release decide to try to get through can we can we agree that if we to be considered hopefully will be considered before you see me leave them there right so this is these are all of the minutes for january and february and like they are also on your agenda for your monday ok so if you have an opportunity to look at them before then we have minutes drafts from we have a draft for the third which was ready to go last night but you already had your packets and we also have a draft from the last two meetings but ok have not been of time on this this week and i've been able to meet with people on both sides of the fence but i think you know if the board asks for something it has to be provided agree with you people are expecting that you think sam yes i mean so if we minor ones a minute and i ask and about that i was traveling this week i said two things i haven't seen is the buy right plan in georgia and mr shapiro mentioned there was a legal opinion there is little point of view is that a cul de sac is not a dead end you know i always try to inform my opinion but i don't make my opinion until i go to the public hearing my hearing but you know we all want to be on the same set of facts and so as i said i've met with people who are favorable and people who are unfavorable but people who are unfavorable are the journey for a for for rain parking we got we got a you know we got got some really you know harsh criticism on on the new from our new plan and i asked you know if he could give us some talking points and he pointed out to me that he's the parking clerk he's not responsible for the policy which means to us and so he's saying you know why don't you guys agree to a standard letter and then you can yeah and you can just kind of not one space available certain so leaflets have been going out cars parked in the center have leafleted twice this week at least we have had on the web page for three weeks we've announced it every s and the one dollar simply just the way folks here are changing behaviors that they don't park here all day long you know right input in the community i'm not going from i can listen to a resident resident complain that they want to reduce that dollar fifty cents ok it's one dollar for sixty minutes right so right and then you just i just a quick question when when i hit my head