storm water landscaping issues  decking in the back instead of it mirroring the townhomes that are crossed the way you see it i'm saying so our whole street all the houses space each other now it's going to flip in the docs are going to be facing sheriff's court and i don't think a steady clean i think most of my neighbors that are here would agree because we just want to start while we wait and see the ones below but just those for th we'd like to see and i understand east point the single family living below us i know that that's what they do on the homeschool os when you could pull into the garage i think anybody would agree that doesn't look like a single frame single for living down there since they're so tall and so high so i think all of us are concerned what's going in that's all i  recommendations as far as maintain them i actually i mean the homeowner's association does maintain the trees we put we did put all i'm going to say sixty trees in at one time in we did lose i mean they it's going to sit there undeveloped till i don't know we started out as an upscale townhouse units and you heard historically and nobody really was willing to pay that kind of money for a townhouse we tried patios with the integrity and they were upscale this isn't a production house it's not all the room siding that the amenities are expensive and therefore the prices were up in those didn't sell we sold twelve of our attach garage units last year and closed twelve so i mean that's the market we know that in there are expensive we have one guy spent on a million for on a patio home so i mean these are upscale units the back yards i welcome you to drive so we actually see that so there will be more green space than what was called the player with the original approved plan and then further there will not be decks out of these units these are high side or level units walking  out in the first floor to the garage and walking out the first floor so that it apparently correct correct verses the i think the lots that are were being discussed down below their traditional more low side where they have t existing in the island here here and then the more dense buffering which would be willing to i think carry that through this buffer along the single family property here has really when the leaves come off up my name is sandy crack and what other information did you need from oh sure one zero zero seven sheriffs corn so one of my concerns is  when they talk about those two gas parking spots and they're not really committed to an area i have a big concern if it ends up where he's got the trees along residential home  i don't know if the builder wants to come up and speak to word that is going to be or decided is it going to be two three four five because i heard two and now that you're saying it could be four or five saint quite honestly when the holes were drilled down below us we talked about the roof lines how they're going to build be built we were misled to put a mildly we were actually pulled out of this meeting by d v by zork and said to do those we're not going to affect our view of your house well now you can you see the lake this down below us because of this and i'm just afraid the same thing's going to happen here they're going to tell us one thing and do something totally different and they're on a street we were really worried about preserving that story relative that our homes are already on and i think what they did across the notes those time homes i know that i understand there are some issues around maybe the sell ability that if i'd like to see the  or rather least solid brick road you can see from that straight even if you have to position the house the other way the models that we're going to offer first say are the same as down below on the twenty nine that we're currently building there is some siding but i'd say it's at least ninety percent and we we have five hundred forty of them up right now on the twenty nine so those are the models were going to continue to build so they're going to be soldered on the sides or on the back on the side gables it could be hundred eighty nine i have built three different homes in this area night by davey but by jade more homes what i was told and what has happened are two different things and if there's anything that is continual in life that is change the bottom line was when i was sold my life which is right above writing now i'm looking at according to day being in because you're telling someone their home down below they're selling for a million ones a million dollars more than five hundred thousand i will tell you to because our home sells for that much doesn't always necessarily mean that it looks that much as you drive up through past kmart ok airing our i was always under the impression that patio homes and townhomes are to look on most esthetically equal ok now when you drive up there you will see some of those homes are kind of this big ok and have a little roof and have a live little porch maybe you can put  so to me driving up whether you sold those homes for a million or whether you sold them for five hundred thousand is is regardless because each person since i've built three homes in that neighborhood each person can put what they want in that home to make that home five hundred thousand or a million if i wanted to go out and i want to put a bath tub in there the cost me one hundred thousand dollars that doesn't mean that that home is worth that amount of money as you drive up through k mart ok you go that way it looks like sesame street to which one doesn't belong and i'm not saying that they they just a statically look back ok i'm not saying that they're built bad they weren't even going to play they had these little sticks that they put the deck sign they weren't even going to break them until someone rose and said you need to bring these pillars so again again what's happening is what was said at this meeting what was approved this meaning other things were done only for one reason because the people that were coming in there and buying these properties ok on it's a double lot of home whether he can sell those homes only because the garage is underneath that's not my concern he's taking value or way from my home all of us that are here on that are up on top of the home believe me they're premier homes and i've lived in this neighborhood since one thousand nine hundred seventy i love the neighborhood that's why i've never moved out of the neighborhood and right now the way things are looking i will put my house up for sale before this before i see more roof lines and a statically when you're driving up there it looks like a mishmash i'm not saying the homes  when you drive into a plant ok and if you drive into a three hundred thousand dollars plan or four hundred thousand or a million dollar plan you want the homes to look aesthetically like they belong there i bigger i only lived two doors down the street why my i'm trying to downsize and he said to me he said fran you're on a lot and a half he said we need to statically make this house what is going to look proper on the street i respected that i respected that fact that that's what that's what's not comedy in this neighborhood that makes the neighborhood look so beautiful ok so what you put in your house i don't care if you build  frame of a house that only cost one hundred thousand dollars will you put in your house could determine whether it's five hundred thousand so whether they're five i will tell you i have a friend that was going to buy one of those patio homes she would have had to sell her car her g m see to buy one of those patio homes because it wouldn't fit in that bright so you tell me what homes worth five hundred to six hundred thousand dollars if you have to sell a car so what's being said here and what's going to be done is very scary to us because we're already facing that right now on what's happening below so i beg you to please give it some thought on why what's taking place because this is not right for us that are up there they have already invested eight and nine hundred thousand dollars in our home and now they're putting these townhouses in and it's just a mishmash it's just a mishmash thank you for your as compared with a well there again when they were townhouses the original prove it was townhouses and you know there were smaller ones and i think the largest was thirty three hundred square feet it was a four story included basement there were any minimum or maximum square footage is now that wasn't no one brought it up i think if you look at the original plan from one thousand nine hundred to this parcel six fourteen there were sixteen town homes originally proposed for that so it was cut in half when when he went to penn  reality even if we ask you do you really couldn't flip before the homes that are on share scored because if you did put the driveways on the front essentially you could make a left turn coming in no matter fact in the original the original proveable that was one of the it's going to the one last comment i would make is that that's been developed for twenty years it's been a vacant lot for twenty years if this gets to be too much is going to be a bacon law for another twenty years maybe twenty years it's in that it's not in the single family you have a dialogue and it may or may not influence what you can do and i recognize you as a developer have to utilize the land mass that you have in america to try and maximize your profits with their can be done with the consideration given to the solution needs not necessarily become from raising your building where although you've done that once already going from a three or four story townhouse into to a store i agree with most of things you say  all the people have spoken here only one person belongs to the homeowners association we are planning a meeting with the members of the homeowner associations they are the ones who have to foot the bill and take care you can plan a hundred trees somebody has to maintain and basically the landscaping it's very subjective you could have five different landscape architects here and everybody has a different idea and the other guys move though and his idea and for if it's not that easy i mean somebody said why don't we mine it up some landscape architects and say they would like to make a motion with the i guess recommended council approval with the think we talked to thirteen conditions of the we are excuse me the nine conditions set forth  about up to here and then double back so this whole area back here is all existing attempted to do layout for this property one of the thing work he items that we wanted to do was we want to look at how can we minimize that we have we have a site that has all this woodland on it and we want to minimize the impact that we wanted to not have the development come in that was essentially clear gotten everything doing all the causes us to chase greed so we started getting into situations particularly along the low side lots where now we're pushing even further back than that fifteen foot because the ground is slipping away we've got roughly an eight in five hundred your difference between the two so you know we're feeling we're we're achieving the goal of minimizing the tree removal area and for an eighteen month ernie teenager say we're we're saving we intend to receive almost three acres which is significant when you're looking at a smaller site like this trees one other thing we were trying to strive for with the thirty five what is because we're trying to touch each property we're really trying to minimize that grain footprint by doing each lot individually as opposed to just kind of clear cut and everything and running a molders or cross the whole thing once we're we're really looking to go there is being there's discussions right now the intent the initial intent was for the developer to be the sole builder there is some discussions with a nother  home builder to purchase some of the lots and have to build come in and work on the trees yes we had those discussions about including any way in terms of where the approximate tree lines need to be to remain on so that it really is the way that the green on a lot of these laws are going and working out there's going to be limited availability for the homeowner to say clear cut all the way to the back of my property just because it's the here are going to be hillside and it's going to be pretty windy and it's going to be climbing they have they're going to have some cut slopes in their backyard before they get up to the tree line so there's there's limited some of the other things we're trying to do which we'll get into our next month as well but just from just to let you guys know in addition some of the other things we're trying to do is minimize storm water management can spread the storm water management  around the site as opposed to having a regional pond we do show a storm water management area up in the front we've got it well away and skate but it's very quiet it's very minimal it's not  the top of my head i want to say it's four to five feet deep at its deepest has very gravel sides lives the intent of it is to blend in as much as possible with some other features around the site  achieve the goals of the d p in terms of pocket control of water so there are multiple stormwater management systems around the site where they are lots of things there some are online they are permanent cause access we are leaving an easement on the side of the probably for any future development that might occur next door but the cul de sacs themselves are are dead ends  know more to have an effective clinics last daycare for the dogs and that seven hundred square feet is sort of needed i mean really talking from point three to point three five anyway so it's probably going to be point three three that's where i was looking at you know if you remove that ten feet you don't point three five obviously would be higher than that but i do think some removal over above two feet is really a make that a much safer entrance  and see how you coming out of there how you can be on a see someone who's going to come up there ramp and make the right turn not necessarily obey the traffic light and just fly right through it and i think if we allow this with the building only going back two feet i think we're