tell a lot of people and tony tony and i were raised with dioxins and so i like to tell you a little but introduce oscar over here tony's dog and of course this is tucker one of my dogs and tony you've had rescued a rescue dog yes and when you were talking about getting a dog to recall what i told you you know i don't know it's not good anyway as much as i love animals and i'm probably only been without an animal probably five years total of my life i've always had you know animals in my life but they do change your life a bit and a good way so good way something and you were on the show last year talking about that change i want would you please give our audience an update on that yes oscar still of course very much a part of my life and because i'm retired i can schedule things around his schedule  and that's what happens you know that way pretty much know he's going to take a nap maybe that's when i run out to the store or if i know i'm going to go out and have dinner with friends i have to readjust his dinner and plan for a snack or something well i'm gone phone pretty much into a routine which is good and dogs prosper and i'm rooted to and i i always believed in structure and doing things because i just think it gives everybody a comfort level sounds like you've made a good teacher  ministry you know one but yeah very much even if we have to change our routines and develop new patterns because i teach classes and they're not always scheduled at the same time so that changes things and some of the activities i'm involved in i have to just take off and it bothers him a little more or everything's ok i always come back and and he adjusts it is amazing you bring this animal into your home and they still your heart and it's that it's gone and you find yourself focusing on these animals and adjusting everything you do according to according to their schedule they take you for a walk you feed them before you feed you does take me for a walk i'm definitely not the pack leader yeah you know just maintains that that he lets me be a pack leader and other things is so that's kind of like some of the negative things but let me give you another positive about the walk when i got him after the first year when i talked to you the doctor cut my blood pressure medicine back a half a little was not that it was really high now and two years off of it completely and i think that's a testimony to when people say when you get a dog and well no that is for you actually do they do it on all actuality throwing your focus from yourself on the somebody else whether that be a human or an animal they are amazing because they're unconditional love yeah you know i've been you know how many dogs i've rescued over my right and some badly abused beaten dogs yet they fall in love with you even though they were or were beaten by other people they gain his trust in this love and people wouldn't do that you know you're beating somebody those people are going to you know they always come back to you even when he does little naughty things around him with a look of pressure like i know what i did you get me mad yeah he did yesterday i gave him like a little toy as a gotcha ok one week till we celebrate within five minutes he'd be headed it to the head was had the stuffing nothing else did in the stuffing he was running with all over the house and he stops and he looks at me like you can come get me going to come get me and i know this isn't good but he's entertaining to eat just he makes me laugh even though he does things that maybe aren't always the greatest i know your mom and caroline was not a animal person but in conversation with her she brings up oscar all the time she loves oscar stories and i tell her about what he does or how she checks on him every day she i need is another dog in my life you know so so it is incredible and those things and there are in conveniences there are expenses yes the you know you put those through the to the a side because the love that you get from this animal is incredible it's just there's nothing like in the evening he comes up and crawls beside you on the couch takes his head snuggles under here and just settles in i mean there's just nothing like that like a little body warmer yeah he loves that do you ever get to the point where you want to say like get away from me now because you know he's a rather independent dog so he'll spend like last night he took his blanket you dragged it clear across the floor and put it right under the television just to keep an eye on me and he slept there probably for two hours and then he decided ok i want to spend time with you so  leave me alone because it's not twenty four hours a day about you yes you know what he wants to play a lot since he's two he's still a big one to go play and so if i just even sit down for a minute that's a signal to him oh you don't have anything else going on let's play and so he'll get a ball on her run away or he'll tug at my pants or if i really don't paint tension to him he runs down the hallway into my bedroom and i have like a little chest in a lay my blue jeans or a jacket or whatever and he'll pull it off and bring it all the way down the hallway because you know he's not supposed to but he's getting attention so he knows exactly what he's doing and does it come to you and say hey it's time to see me he knows when dinner time is definitely he he'll he just he jumps up on the couch ups on my laps looks at me square in a face like aren't you going to get the dinner ready i feed mine three times a day small meals the days that i do that you know i'll do it on a saturday mornings or saturday morning after they eat they're going to the laundry room door to go into the garage so one day i thought i want to take them and it's not a usual day to take them  like they were reading the mine which i'm from and believe now after thirty five years of dogs they were right at the locker room door and said what are you guys doing there they're jumping i don't want to know they knew that we were going in and i didn't change my routine i didn't change my clothes i didn't do anything they knew we were going for a coffee and a donut into that this morning that we were going and i usually we get up we have breakfast and then i do some things around the house and then we go for a walk and i know he expecting the walk but i made him go outside before we left and it was like a change in the routine so he came in he's running around the house and see he doesn't like it when i put this halter on not that it bothers him once it's on but he just doesn't like it at fat the emergency control when we usually yes and so what he does he runs in my bedroom goes under the bed so i close the door and had a time so he ran down the hallway now he knows something's really  to mace me although there are other things you know when like in the fall now when the acorns and falling off the three oak trees i had that i thought were really pretty before i got him and they were falling in this fence and horns were those are toxic and yeah  could say why he's doing very basic like right so how was that when i first got him he was rescued from a puppy mill in ohio and i know you've done some investigating this and so i'm going to get  started a few for would mine pennsylvania ohio kentucky west virginia state of indiana already i think is another one well your little bit different in the states i just mention amish use all that we have run all the puppy mills and treat them like livestock there's what i did like livestock where there are some in there and this this will address the issue that you have with me and picking things up to my and whoever grabbed the food got food whoever didn't grab it didn't get food you know and so when i first got them what ever fell on the floor i don't care what it was was gone that's him you know and it's a book a long time to break converted me years ago yes and i never went back either but yeah he anything that falls on the floor it's his and then he'll know he shouldn't have it and so he'll run with it first because he knows that i'm telling him don't to so i don't chase him anymore like i did because it made him want it more very so i go get some a little treat and i'll say oscar treat and hold it and then he drops it he'll come over and that's how i get it but yeah  and usually then it comes out right out right yeah yeah that so it was so when you rescued him can you tell us the process what how you chose the oscar or well  friends my my best friend's sister in ohio who lives outside of toledo heard that this rescue group called animal house rescue had busted a puppy mill and they had docks and puppies and she knew that i costly it's hard not to want to say now doxie headline when i was growing up it was a good so he she told me about them and they posted their pictures on pet finder and they actually had a couple of dapples and they had some of these red smoove and so they had a picture of him and they had a picture of another one called they called frankie because you know they name them so they give you the email on the phone number if you want you fill out the application for the person who's fostering them in this particular group does not take them to a shelter they place them in homes and so and knowing what and having heard you talk to prior guests that they foster i thought that was a good thing so i contacted the woman and she said to come out and take a look at him so my best friend to me to toledo was see and i think it is oh i we went to the home and i just i fell in love with him so i  went to their adoption process but did they have a background on him they had his birth date which is where yes where they didn't have his birth date and that was it and then they give him like some shots but he had kennel cough when i picked him up he was three months old when i got him they were they took him out of there two months so he wasn't in there a whole long time but i think he was in there long enough to develop early bad habits well that's that's the case generally but when you brought him up you could instantly see he wasn't abused at this knuckle and a lot of dogs are use of the puppy mills but you can see that he this was the case with him so did he eight or so and they actually set up the promise as an industry so that the the you know things happen in the government of the us out of this and then it just gloss on the right loads and gets out of control that's exactly what happened so they were creating actually creating sanctified industry and it's what happens a lot of the puppy bills because it's always money generated so the least money you can put into it and the most money you can get out of it makes a profit and like all things and so bad food bad living conditions cramped you know disease in breeding and i want you to bring that up causing genetic defects and that type of thing and over breeding and the puppy mills actually were so bad that they would locate somewhere in the country in these wooded areas of the state that i mentioned and then when they got caught shutdown really it was not a penalty it just would move to another  and restart up and selling them to pet stores and that type of thing was was most of the pet stores because they want to buy cheap right and then and then sell them at a high cost says wright and i always told people not ask me what kind of dog and you know you have to pick a dog that suits your family number one number two is you want to a dog from a private breeder that has selective breeding with with the dogs that they breed and it's not over it's maybe twice a year at the most and some of these dogs pop pop pop these constantly and i never will i think that's why they call them ill every time you go into a daze and the mothers sit in the cage and they never come out they just have  circles and just because there's nowhere to go or they just incessantly bark yeah for no reason you know they just bark bark bark so when you bring them home all they do is bark bark bark i have to say he's he's a doc's and he's a barker but he barks at appropriate time and then he'll stop he's not incessant and because i worry you know about the neighbors thinking he just but no they tell me the name in here and so he usually barks at the most for about a minute just to be heard much anymore and in walking my dogs i got to know all my neighbors and a whole mile radius i got the middle of the house it was kind of neat of course and you know they would say here comes the wiener the kids were going to come in the inner bad you know they standard because there is really no designation there's no a k c registration for many standard whatever they're just they're just doxies and so they the british tend to try to beat them down because a tiger things seem to be more popular you know but you really don't know what you're getting when you when you get a baby now actually when they they told me he was a mini when i got him while he kept getting bigger but look at him the floor when i brought him home he was like tucker here he just sat in the rules thing on my lap but now it's barely pants yeah but you know there are bigger toxins than him yeah yeah yeah he weighs about what he's bought twenty three pounds says they actually how they gauge minis an officially is a if they're over twenty pounds they're not a many if they're under twenty there are many and there are some that say under eighteen yeah they say tweenies yeah and then the other have a new one out now you know we walk every day now he's not a summer walker he does not like walking in that he hates it hates it it's everything i can do to make him go down the block and back like a half a mile but now in the fall when the temperature drop we're out two and three times a day while we're clock and probably a mile and a half two miles a day so if i hadn't that wouldn't happen so so when you have to share but so you don't even have a medical history when you rescue them no nothing nothing other than that he had the vet that they took him to said he had kennel cough and then i didn't realise until later when i took him and classes here in peter's that they noticed he was walking funny he was back a little bit so so what did they tell you that was there's a technical name for it but it's a genetic defect and in his back legs here i don't know if they can see on the camera but he's probably ok but he tends to put his back paws in toed in thank you very much so he's pigeon to yeah and so and it give you a reason for that other than the genetic they just said it was a genetic defect that they find in docs and they looked it up in a book and then met and evidently there's a vet in pittsburgh that has worked with these types of dogs so they sent the x rays to him he looked at them and he asked them about the temperament of this dog and he's very happy dog very gregarious outgoing so the doctor said rather than destroy his dog's personality if he can run and play and do what he can do then let it go at that actually you can call it a genetic effect they affect the big you know they can call it that but it actually is a result of over breeding and inbreeding now and i figure he's a puppy dog so when it's really nothing that's standard to docs ns you know ok so other breeds do have other breeds do it too but it's a result of the breeding process you know said it appeared in the seventy's and dioxins from the overbreeding yes there you go yeah you know doctors going into favor quite often in fact i was in beverly hills one time for a conference and there are doctors walking the streets of beverly hills all over the place so i stopped somebody and neighborhood you wouldn't my neighborhood i'd think i was only one that had boxes but i had a whole house full but i hardly ever in the house was as though and i know because they don't get walked yeah yeah that's the thing now there's a neighbor has three docs and two or mixed breed and one's a little real tiny little mini and so we see them she walks them a lot no not too many people walk a so so when you when you brought were you given instructions on what the feed in and they had given me some of the food that they were giving to him and at the time and i think it was something out of a big boss store full of grain and corn and wheat  boiled ground meat or chicken and i'll give him that yeah i tend to stay away from chicken a lot because chicken is a big allergen and so even in dogs processed dog food and eventually buffet i kind of recommend staying away from j crew granted you can get quality quality dog food i for years made my own but i've switched in the last year and a half and to a meat product that comes from argentina that's organic free range it's grass fed  beef and it smells good enough the than it is wonderful hard to find in the slightly more expensive but mostly when they go into the manufactured foods they don't use the best choice of meats in that you know i mean so but the more you throw it to that side of quality food the better your dogs are going to be and i see one of the indications of that is a shiny coat and your dog's coat is shining city but it's me all the time incredible shiny coat and that's often a sign of good nutrition so you're doing something right what i find a lot tony when when you go rescue dogs from someplace you know that money is always a concern even for the people that are litter fostering the dogs right and so they tend to give  know which is a harsh word to use but that's what it is you know sometimes i think there's more interest in a box for the packaging that it comes in than it's in the food itself you know and they use rancid rancid oils to track the dog with the smells or to stick  the minute vitamins of they say they put on they don't put enough to even realize that yeah all the restaurants every restaurant you look at there's a processing plant that comes into that they dump the grease in the back of a merrill's and you can sit there depending on the activity the restaurant it can sit there for a year and you know you're in hot sun you're in the heat you're your whatever and they they take it to rendering plant and then it's bought by it's use and fertilizer in a number but it's bought about choosing a dog or or bring a dog home or how wonderful it is that i have a dog first of all after having read things and i'm on facebook and so i have friended everyone loves the docs and which does give me good tips on and the docs and rescue league of north america so i get some good tips off for them but first and foremost don't buy from a pet store unless they can prove it's like a local breeder or have papers and a history of and in fact you can shut the puppy mills down yes yes i suppose that exactly and in pennsylvania like you said it's i think it's like the leader especially lancaster area from what i read you right from breeding over breeding these dogs and treating them if they can't sell the puppies and they destroyed a woman or the exact and very cruel way or then from over breeding you get a dog that has a genetic problem or from over breeding which you know i have the time i can take care of him i can see that he gets exercised and whatnot but you know if you're a family looking for a puppy if that's not what you want to do you want to go like you said to somebody who's breeding the dogs they're reliable for and they even a d craigslist from what i heard because what they'll do is people will put dogs on there or advertise for dogs and then sell them to companies to do drug test is exactly in a lot of the