to the veterans services department from the davis and family and it's a collection of eighty custom milling women canadian neckties and it's to be given to local veterans of patients at nearby v a hospitals there is no ok i move that we except the donation go into the veteran services department it's a gift of money of two hundred dollars and its purpose is to aid veteran independent homosassa prevention again as a gift of the daily family acting town manager until such time as we have a regular town manager from floyd second brief statement first being a member of the board of selectmen as both challenging and rewarding as i perform my duties i always work to do the best i can for the town and to do the right thing at all times the e mail i will be reading into the record this evening is entitled to quote notes from special counsel information for discussion at tuesday's meetings no response please for selectman information only my intention in sending the email label that way was to transfer the information provided by special counsel david deluca along without deliberation or opinion and abide by the requirements of the open meeting law despite my best intentions as a result of review town council issued the opinion that there has been an inadvertent violation of law due to the complexities of the law although the e mail information label pros and cons was not my personal opinion in an effort to be cautious and instruct and sure strict compliance with the open meaning law i will read the contents of the email to cure any potential open in this way the board can continue with  as i read earlier subject notes from special counsel information for discussion at tuesday's meeting no response pleas for selecting information only notes from conversation with attorney deluca just spoke with attorney deluca david has provided information regarding cases that have similarities but in fact there is no case law that fits our situation when it comes to dealing with the stadium footprint so in essence that in essence the cases provided as examples are used to help determine the way things might go like reading tea leaves he said the transfer and the alteration have to be viewed entirely independently alteration of premises david states principles to consider for allowing the alteration our size of the licensed area proximity of the structure being brought into the license and the ability to effectively enforce liquor license regulations when all issues are reviewed the b o s has to think this is a good idea see case law examples in the packet pro it frees up a liquor license for the craft or organization to use for a business a page or place however david states that this is an effort to fit a square peg into a round hole he said the craft organization or other principals need to approach the town to request that we bring forward an article to put before the town to vote for special legislation for additional licenses instead what is being created is a concept that one license should be expanded in order to free up others to fit those other licenses into patriot place cons alteration results and one manager of the twenty four acre entity now having control one hundred forty acres under one liquor license if there is a violation in one area e hall of fame sanctions affect the entire one hundred forty acre premises currently the dana farber building is required to comply with a town by law regarding police details for certain numbers of people at a gathering bringing the building into a single license eliminates that requirement the same applies to the hall of fame how does the fact that there is no longer need to comply with the bylaw affecting foresman slash public safety is that acceptable to the board for david principle of control is paramount and the police department must provide their perspective on this for us to consider david believes more time should be taken to study the impacts from a police standpoint he is checking the deadlines we could be held to other information there does not appear to be any downside to the lease or ability to renegotiate the lease as a result of the alteration if it were approved transfer of license pros revenue enhancement to the town estimated seventy five thousand dollars additional traffic to patriot place then you estimated at sixty occupancy history of violations a proposed site manager what will the effect on public safety be police departments answer for this e mail to chief o'leary information on how you are reports of location of last drink and soon provided by chief o'leary last year's attached twenty four j report information on how you are reports of location of last drink consume provided by chief o'leary last year sorry twenty four j report places foxborough on the same category as other cities listed david says it speaks of the concentration of liquor licenses in one area input from chief o'leary a is required david suggests we should look at the level of incidents that occurred with the first twelve licenses what has happened since toby keith's was at it see additional i just want to take the up meeting our very seriously and will continue to do everything possible to comply with it and look forward to the board being able to continue discussing you know the serious issues that we have to discuss  as far as our process goes we are on track and what you have in your packets is a draft of the warrant article itself containing the town manager's recommendation with the columns for the w on the other important piece of the budget process is capital meeting which is scheduled for saturday march eighth and we're still assembling the capital requests from the question is and we will distribute that to those items to the c h p committee by for a very twenty ts to the budgets and updates and after all of that activity we have a minor cushion of about one hundred forty two thousand dollars however there are still some moving parts in the snow and ice and we have a planned deficit we've actually already spent about two hundred sixty and we have about two hundred roughly in the budget and then we have another two hundred fifty that we plan as a deficit to take off of next year revenues off the top and as of today we're forty thousand into that so we've got two hundred ten to go with a couple storms ahead just this week so so that's a moving part of the health insurance rates another big moving part and i've got an estimate in there on can give us what our rate increases or change is going to be i've been told it won't be won't be higher than what we have in the budget so any one percent change would be a forty six thousand dollars positive swing for our budgets on i'm  expecting some good news there but we need to wait until some point in march to get that so so a balance is on the revenue side of the good news there is that our revenue forecast from four months ago held up  net of all the changes from october to today is a positive ninety thousand dollars and that's after absorbing a fifty thousand dollars reduction in our state aid estimate  aid budget has come out and for foxboro it translated into fifty thousand dollars less than we had estimated in essence our state aid is is almost flat from last year and it's up only about seven hundred thousand dollars however that's the first part of the process is the seven steps in the process this is the first one but the likelihood is that we would not see the second card turned over until you know we already have to put our budgets to bed given that the legislature doesn't move at a pace that keeps up with our budgetary process but that's the way it it always is so so i my sense is it can only get better not worse so you know we're in  a good place now where we actually reduced it by fifty thousand but net net with other changes were ninety thousand ahead of our estimates from from four months ago which is not a big change so we were pretty spot on there on the spending side total operating budgets as reflected now are up four point three two percent in total that's everything schools town enterprise that's an increase of two point six million the biggest drivers are some of the bigger drivers of that contractual requirements on the school side one million forty thousand approximately that's a big  piece we've also had a substantial increase in the annual over county retirement system pension assessment that was actually two hundred ninety seven thousand higher than my estimates i was in six updating a more aggressive schedule that they were that they have now adopted for this year which meant a four hundred thirty two thousand dollars increase on the pension assessment for us for next year but even after absorbing those and putting in a quarter million dollars at this point time for a placeholder for possible lease costs for town hall with all of that and the other all of the other adjustments are made we're still we're still balanced you know with a question about one hundred forty two thousand  over three hundred thousand dollars in order to it's you know to help make make all of this balance as i said you have the you have the warrant article itself at this point with tom and his recommendation there is  a policy matter that you probably want to start to consider and as we move along in the process you want to make a recommendation or not and that has to do with the the meals tax  monies that we've been collecting since the program's been in place since fiscal twelve when it started in fiscal twelve was a partial year and it was our first experience with meals tax revenue so we weren't we weren't sure how as a result in fiscal twelve and thirteen we didn't appropriate just six hundred ten thousand dollars that we received in neil's tax money that we now have sitting it's part of the free cash balance but as according to the board's policy and i have that you have an eye on that and report on that and i'm ensuring that you know nothing happens with that other than going to recommend appropriation for things that the the board has voted in its policy roads and so in addition to my recommendation for fiscal fifteen for six hundred thousand dollars of meals next year's male sex money go to open two hundred sixty nine thousand dollars to go to roads which would consume one hundred percent of the projected meals tax amount in addition to that you have another six hundred ten thousand dollars to decide how you'd like to allocate that to one or the other or both and i  know rector roger is working up his plan on the roads for next year so i think that would be you know an important greedy and for the board to ultimately hear that and to see whether or not you know there should be more or less you know going going to roads and before you decide how you would like to invest really that of the six hundred ten that accumulated from a previous fiscal year fiscal twelve and fiscal thirteen to the board not direct that to be deposited in the no we were we were in the first year we are unsure what the receipts are going to be so we were very conservative i think we only appropriated three hundred seventy five thousand in the first year just to be sure and that was a it was an agreed upon strategy we don't want to overcommit  would be by the capitol committee meeting on march eighth because that's when the roads funding would be recommended and voted on by the c h p committee so if there's any piece of this that would be you think might be going to that and you'd want to sixty nine this project that you're recommending for the two thousand and fifteen budget the six hundred in the two sixteen i know peven and roads breakdown right from your recommendation what's that you've got was that the new program that roger hill has in place or based on last year and the year before it's it's actually driving the bus if you will if you recall the recommendation that i have made when we started to fund is that that we continue on an increasing increasing our commitment to opec annually in order to build up to a point that's within our budgets where we are funding what is referred to as the arc the annual required contribution to amortize the unfunded liability right now even with the six hundred thousand dollars commitment in these other monies in the water and sewer is funding some monies as well and currently we get some federal drug subsidies which by law can go right into the fund as well but even with all of that we're still approximately one point five million below funding at the arc level so good practice for the town or any town would be to get yourself up to that point without you know without impacting you know services along the way so it's a multiyear strategy to get there and so by going up from five hundred that we've committed this year to six hundred my recommendation going forward is that we speed that up a little bit go up and two hundred thousand dollar increment and then in the next five years and a quarter million dollars in the year six and seven to get to that point so with with only eight hundred in  sixty nine thousand projected in meals tax is just the remainder so by the fall the only other player is the roads right so by default whatever was left over from that six went to the roads why not put the two sixty nine in there what was the driving factor to  acting as a local licensing authority pursuant to mass journal laws chapter one forty section one hundred one in section one eighty three a in chapter one thirty six section four ton of foxborough revised general bylaws article five section six and also stadium rules and regulations will conduct a public hearing on tuesday february fourth two thousand and fourteen beginning at seven fifteen p m the fox for high school media center so street to review the application submitted by n p s l l c for the monster jam two thousand so the by the father to sixty nine went into that in probably a long discussion that we need to have here but can that be worked in towards roger hill's presentation of if he needs it to sixty nine more or less right rather than defaulting and putting it there yes he  so so far it's been relatively easy to allocate the funds within what we're receiving but in the following budget year and in the following budget year you know that will be an inflection a decision point for the board we can continue to commit in essence all of the meals tax at that point to open up and then there will be other funds that if you would like to continue to increase investing to get to the arc from other revenues that come into the general fund  the last time it was actually calculated which is two years ago it was fifty two point two million we're currently in the process of having it updated as we were required to every two years and i meant to supposing crossing my fingers  reduction from that as a result of the changes that have been made to the plan you know the plans that we offer you know through the the changes that we've you know bargained you know with the unions or the g i c like plans and then in addition to that the funding plan that we've been able to sustain so i'm expecting that it will come down i don't know by how much but i don't when we started it was just over sixty four million and so our progress has has you know brought the actuarial calculation of it down i expect that to happen again when we see that potentially we have the six ten available correct and we have another six hundred available correct so potentially we could move and i just thought i attended the best way i like i like i like the strategy you know it doesn't hurt right now it's a good strategy it's a great i think it's a great policy that's been adopted here and it's something it's something you can count hours for a new outreach position in fact they really need a more like a twenty hour position is what was discussed at the meeting so this i expect i would hope to see this number increase for funding for the council on aging position the next step in the process is you know i mean you have the top managers you know recommendation the next step in the process would be to get the board's recommendation and then ultimately would be the advisory committees recommendations of the board you certainly can vary from what's been recommended to you just just to clarify in the past i think i heard correctly that we could never increase the department his budget can we do it right but what we what we did here is i believe we have the money that what was in one thousand our request in the request column advisory committee had you know when there are are items like this that there may be differences of opinion and we can go follow through the process here there may be different recommendations in order to sort of keep options open in the process we can ensure to keep the intended request in the request column you can you can't go above that or any other higher amount that stem the outcome could could actually could be put in more the boards i could ask for more if you can't go above that could budget item for our sunday i was the library and on the first page it says a possible commitment from the library trustee to fund that to f y fifteen is the idea of this  experimental to see if if sunday sir if sunday i was there workable and then if if so it would become a regular in that line item in the regular that that's the intent and and right now it's currently  presented as funded with the with the revenues that the town has put forward there is you know the library trustees will be you know considering as i put in the in a memo to you i will be considering possibly finding that out of their own out of their own good fun the capital fund but that's that's uncertain at this point so for the now we have it in there as funded from our general receipts and if they did that would probably be like a one year commitment it's to be a trial selectmen hearing notice the board of selectmen acting as the local licensing authority pursuant to mass journal laws chapter one forty section one eighty one and sections one eighty three a and chapter one thirty six section four  article five section six and also stadium rules and regulations will conduct a public hearing on tuesday february fourth two thousand and fourteen beginning at seven thirty p m in the fox for high school media center so street to review the application submitted by  see for the new england revolution games including potential international matches and double headers all events are proposed for gillette stadium all applications for these events are on file at the office of select m ticket prices are between thirty five dollars and two hundred dollars for estimated attendance was twenty thousand as needed we know we've never had this event at the stadium before so i'm not entirely sure if that could there are probably funct one way or the other right now it's it's right around five thousand but it's a big push right before the events of the week are you tend to do a significant amount of sales the company the promoter sold motor sports most  our family friendly four pack packages that kind of thing and that's also why it ends at nine thirty if it's a family style event the way it's going to be built is similar to a concert and that it will probably be a five day from a noise standpoint it won't be as loud during the build process as a concert and the noise itself during the event won't be as loud as a concert although it is a different a different type of noise there won't be any significant noise on friday but there will be a light pattern tast and i'll probably bill do as soon as it flowers it's dark enough and the only other significant difference is that the first ten rows of the lower bowl will be chilled so that i'm home how we doing with the renewing insurance it's interesting you brought that up i had a conversation with john davis last week in this event it wouldn't matter because this takes place before july one  that we are getting our banker the fact that the insurance issue and you know so they have me affect other stadium events but i believe that this one is covered because it's because because of the date ye supposed to back to me on friday but i believe that means he did not speak with a person he needs to at my i need to get permission from them for him to be able to act on behalf you know if they don't give that th we may want to consider you know asking them to do it at our expense but that's the discussion that i'm waiting to hear back from them so so at this point in time we don't know that the civil rights aspect of it is covered is that correct for a future event so i up to july one but july one for what it was we got into fourth of july because i remember yeah july one was the date and so this is june twenty first and we should be ok with this one would be under the current in to put it in perspective it's people from the advisory committee that wanted a center here and you'd submitted a letter if you wanted to just summarize direct well we've reviewed everything in the primary concerns come out of it you've had field regarding the type of fuel being used the way it was dispensed the way it was stored and the safety and insurance as well for the actual monster people you know those questions were answered satisfactorily therefore we proved everything and we felt  any international matches and double headers that include the revolution so any standalone international matches that do not include the revolution are do not double headers in conjunction with a revolution match do not fall under and there's really no stick there's no significant change there's no change at all really from our previous comments we still have a set up that includes the entire lower bowl the stadium as well as the next club our ticket prices have remained the same ranging from twenty five dollars to seventy two dollars all of the seating is reserved for exception of the north end zone which we keep open for the admin riders so that's about two thousand feet back and flights up to a thirty five hundred seat i'm so all the dates are printed back here these are the dates that you know from the day the other matches you know the dates for the international news i we've got one right now that i believe apply for on friday but that's a completely you have a couple of options on how you handle the others when in the past you proved them condition upon having appropriate civil rights violation coverage and you can all decide how that went last year but or you can you know approve the first seven through june and address the others at a later date i guess when you have more information that's creating yeah i mean having gone through the last year is not something you want to do again well it's going to be unavoidable that's a problem if it's not addressed before june thirtieth then if these are approved contingent upon insurance and they provided additional insurance which was accepted by the town in july and so it depends on your comfort level as to whether or not you think that's sufficient especially for revolution game which tends to be a little less a problem so those those are considerations that you have to take into account and then make that decision and it's not that the insurance does not exist does the question is is it sufficient to the town and last year only had the situation i said last year at the end of the situation i would not licensed events without full insurance so i would not i would not vote to license something with that attachment either have the insurance i don't have the insurance i have no problem with that july june thirtieth events only reason that we would consider taking that approach is until we get notification from john davis that all the requirement warman's have been met and then we would be able to come back and approve the balance greg wrecked ok well i don't have to guess i well i've got a concern it's you can you can listen something in contingent and that gives the applicant the ability to move forward in a direction and schedule and labor in vendors and a business plan if there's no a you know a maybe a question in someone's mind whether it meets the town's needs that has to be answered so i think especially for the revolution games you can feel comfortable licensing them with the  condition that they do not happen if that issue isn't resolved we're resolving the issue in february not on june thirtieth and we should have an answer within the next few weeks so you know i don't know that you want to go want to direction where you only license half of the events and i just don't know if that's the direction you really want to take and you can do do these conditionally and i know we have a couple other issues coming up in the next few weeks we push this week to get an answer from john davis that we can put in the language of the restrictive language that weeds the town's needs over but i i'm comfortable voting contingent and i'm i could regret it but i think i'd rather err on the caution of doing that i think we are worlds apart last year guys well the thing is what happened is all through  probably starting on february the go shushan were on then they were off and they were delayed in those questions and they ran right up to the last second and spilled over and you know just try to you know reminisce back to the last july fourth i mean it was chaos  and still we didn't have an answer and yet the event went off and i think we because the event was was scheduled that was people going to show up as human trafficking issues i think we collectively said let it be you know we acquiesce to letting the event go off but i mean here i'm looking for some a some incentive for all parties to get at this earlier than later and i just don't want to have a another situation where we run up to the deadline and nothing's and don you know on the incentive is none of us want to be in  position we were in last july where we were working all kinds of hours and holidays and everything else and so you know i've called into john davis i will follow up with another call to him tomorrow thursday friday to get a quick answer on this but i think good it sets a bad precedent to not license all these events you then don't address it now at all but for them you know for them to be left hanging on some of the events where they've got to sell tickets on is it not irresponsible i mean to license something without having adequate protections for the town you license it conditionally and then the other ones we have we need to have an answer before the next licensing issues well why should we license something conditionally when ensuring the proper insurance could be could be gotten so what you would need to license it conditionally i'm not going to go through again this year what we did last we made an effort to get the insurance coverage we all know what effort that took there is insurance in place there is just a maybe a question in someone's mind whether or not that's sufficient for the  year in place for the whole season up until july first which you and which point mean that we don't have coverage beyond july first they have to provide coverage of the huge events where they have to have coverage and they still have the event yeah they do because it was it was considered to be a public safety issue because people were already immobilized to show up but we're going to we need to have that resolved long before that and they're not saying they're not going to provide coverage the question is whether or not the coverage that was provided is exactly what they need to start selling the tickets and they need to have their license so you know i just think it's a bad practice it really is a bad practice i'm going to move forward to see myself i can tell you music until the rains  i feel like this is very easy to resolve all we have to do is get that information back from john davis and we're good i saw what happened last year i have to agree it was unsettling to know that we had an event going on that we did not have an agreement about insurance on i just want to avoid that and that's fine and so we can be avoided if the conditions can be put in when i've given them the conditions yet we can hold the conditions until we have that discussion with john you know be subject to having proper insurance in place with the conditions that that john tells us are acceptable and we will not release the paperwork until that's meets the board satisfaction if that did make any difference last year they had the bit anyway so what's what's the point of the bush like mine being the licensing authority if it's not paid attention to you  the ones that are voting you vote whatever way you want i'm just telling you i think it's a bad practice we did a lot of work last summer we're trying to do more work with them on all kinds of things the last thing you want to do is you know start this practice if if you're not happy with us holding the paperwork and get a number sponsor from john within the next week or two before the paperwork goes out any of the conditions subject to approval of john davis if you want to put that vote on that as part of your vote tonight then you certainly can do that but to to hold them up when they're starting on march twenty second at you know if if for some reason it gets into chaos again is it possible for allies absolutely ok that the licenses will not go out until you are satisfied first of all they need to have the license and here but say it say for instance we get into april and we're only talking about events  that this is going to be resolved before their first game so i want this resolved over the next week or so i tried to call john last week and he was away no control over that and i haven't heard back from so i will reach out to him tomorrow thursday friday this is not going to go on for more than another week because i understand you know where the board sat and i agree we need to have an answer so it needs a quick resolution but you just can't hang them up because because of a question it's not you know it's not even a definite issue just a question right now so can we to can we put just postponing get that all taken care so bob are you saying under the license regulations that's where the date would be inserted we would insert that in today so i would say like the licensees in the person owning mansion or controlling license event so delivered to the town of fox for certificates of such insurance to the town instead of at least ten days prior to the license event by march first no no no it's just a short scene it's a clarification you know from john davis that he's comfortable with the insurance as is the insurance is going to be the  same and or better one july one but he's got to be comfortable that the insurance and we have that we all negotiated last summer is in a good good position for the town and he  may be able to put some language in the conditions that he feels more comfortable  park the condition of the license and that gives us but i don't see where it is it's not written it's not in there because he's got to tell us the language he wants and you know i'd like to put the soft on that's week to vote on it hear from it's you know christmas comes december twenty fifth every year people know when christmas comes this everybody knew the insurance was going to be expiring june thirtieth the day to day and so it's fun surprise and said yeah but i'm surprised something hasn't been done before that's going to go shared an agreement last july as far as we all knew i'm i can hold my nose to live with this but i just i just don't want if this thing blows up when and where we had an opportunity to sort of keep people accountable and if it blows up and we're faced with the same thing also you guys you know we had it we had a approved the license for the revolution soccer season beginning on march twenty second with march twenty third and to be seventeen home games  this license will be conditioned by the approval our of our insurance council and of the condition all categories of insurance being in place acceptable to the town by march first two thousand and fourteen training well and thank you to the boy scouts and their leaders for sitting through this thank you ok the big group yeah ok pharmacy you were in the made the decision to appoint me general manager have a whole new can of represent in the ownership of a box of others through my father and his partner in florida as application to the general manager and we felt that it was better for him to be on the license than joe strong will be at the facility more hours than jo yeah no no no very understandable just that we been you know very proactive as far as the answer your question and i do know the history and we've been you know since i've been a we've been very proactive we've had two meeting so far just reminding the staff as far as like id's going to policy and alcohol service training so we are we are working hard to stay where we need to be just knows   so they are trying to be proactive staying touch with the town and any issues that come up they want to know about right away you know address right away to me yeah i was there was a very tough time for waxes  and i said one of the members that i think it was probably up to the third strike and i think there's a fourth strike at the time and we did see i've seen a change in the food in the community outreach and quieting down in the  couldn't in my eyes go wrong with any of them and i've had the pleasure of meeting him again as me and we've all done some research and i'm really looking forward to this i think it table of the three candidates the interview process went well in the three applicants i kind of made a matrix in my head of the things that i was looking for just running down quickly the job skills on the face of finance and administration skills good communication skills of the three candidates strategic planners and strategic thinking from the past work motivational skills and consensus builders of the work that they're doing in their towns are looking for someone that high energy level enthusiasm and somebody that can make decisions with somebody that delegates it to the board that was important to see the difference between the three candidates look for the skilled staff developers the skills amongst them the project management history that they've had in the different towns to learn jeopardy and dedication experience in similar towns  foxborough their private work experience and overall their integrity both in their work environment and in their personal lives if as much as i could find out so i spoke to a lot of mark and i had a couple  attorney in the questions that we asked were not kind of the cookie cutter twelve questions that we saw in the in the interviews but kind of you know why do you want to go to foxborough seems like you have a good thing going why would you want to change kind of goals and ambitions that that was very helpful info to share with the board i was kind of looking for a little bombshell or something that would kind of give me pause and i didn't find it for many of the three candidates some surface a little higher than others during that process but i got to say the three candidates that came forward were very very well versed in their in their jobs in a very comfortable speaking about it in there's a lot of insight that we can get from the people that they work with also and i think from that exercise is probably one that jumped a little higher than the other two as mark said it's probably not a bad choice you could make in the reason that one chiefs and i'll tell you they they all had glowing recommendations each candidate but also they talked about things that not necessarily having to do with the fire department about other aspects  of the candidate and dealing in dealing with the with the town and i agree with what jim said was true i mean i think we were almost same page we all know what we want and we were looking for those things in the in the interviews in the searching resumes and in speaking with them i did telephone interviews with all three candidates and it was a very interesting process and in and i told everyone i spoke to i said we have three really good candidates i think the screening committee did a wonderful job i think collins institute did a great job and it's a it's a tough tough choice but as jim said he has one candidate did the did the person support the fire department in the budget showing real concern for public safety under his watch what improvements were made to the fire department what they were not done t disappointment how is the  union negotiations the overall impression and my last question was will you will you be sorry to see him go and they're all going to be very sorry that we're going to pick one of the we're going to pick somebody tonight and the other thing three towns there are going to be very sorry to lose the person that we choose so i think whoever we choose i think the town five two will be well served and in it's the experience is very very similar but then there are other things that are very different that that cause one of the candidates to to be one more acceptable to me than the other t conversational style i let the police chiefs try to explain you know the strengths and weaknesses of the candidates where they were on the growth curve where they were on the experience curve and like the fire chiefs of police chiefs were gregarious they talked forever and i got a lot of good information but the theme that came out of in the one and i may talk further about this later is that like jimi jim laid out a series of skill sets that he's looking for i can add one to that and you've heard me say before is that you know you can never have enough communication so i was looking for the candidate that could be the voice of the town and that and there is one that i have in mind that i think is a superior communicator and that's that that's what's bringing this person up to the top but by and large the candidate who was strong is three towns i think it services they're going to have to go through their own time manager search if we take one away but my candid it has all the skills that you mentioned and above all i think is bringing the necessary skill of engaging communications the right ok i spoke to the finance people and the planning the planners for each of the towns and starting off got the same reaction everybody else did one town actually said i'm not happy to speak to you at all so i thought that was when when i again every candidate was spoken to very highly people were talking about how professional all of them are it was interesting you know i took some approach i just asked a starting question and kind of watched where it went i asked the person that i spoke to to please explain how they worked with the candidate and if they could elaborate a little bit on how they feel they can which candidate helped them or contributed to their ability to be able to meet their goals and objectives for them and their elected board it was interesting each town is a little different the roles of finance committees are different in the towns so the activities of the planning boards are different in the towns you know some are more active than others and but all in all again spoke very highly i felt that there you know in addition to i think everything that's been so this table people are looking for i was also  identify a candidate who gave concrete examples of how they actually brought forward their goals and you know processes that they had put in place to ensure that the goals were met and so having these conversations with the finance people in the planning planners was very helpful in solidifying in confirming really what i thought i heard during the interviews i also did have individual conversations by phone with each of the candidates you know i started off by saying i wanted to have an off camera conversation with you let's go at it and it was really great  to get that kind of connection with each of the candidates all of them very well spoken very intelligent and each has their own pluses but again i think what became one of the sequester the candidates so that they wouldn't be an advantage to being on for a second so we have to get a cone of silence since it didn't seem like it took off i like i don't know that happened i just think that in the future i thought the only thing we could have representative mister dooley from north walk the new state representative was there when i went in and it came down to just a little bit more information i wanted to share with the board and these questions your with that you are combined with h r so that you would have it not just would have been just an h r person you would have a system that has a shot skills all three candidate our way because i think timeline has a lot to do with this jack was committed to a four weeks notice to his town and north fork is closed on fridays so he could start on fridays if he was selected week right away but he'd be four weeks out then he also he wants to see the  wait up and down but we've got to be one thing i'd say is there's a certain amount of money we've appropriated to this and now we can be able to negotiate a contract for what we have appropriate the number one and number two we've been able to reach negotiation because with our first choice we could do that that we would want to have you know a second choice and one thing i think the board and well should we talk about or name the individuals who we are interested in before we make any type of motion you know that way i think make the motion and move on to announce that my first choice for the new term manager would be bill kagan from dedham i base that decision upon again the conversation that we had my observations and the compliments that he has made in his specific background skills and expertise in planning and development which i think is critical to our point where the town is right now  and also the fact that he has human race source's background and that combined with the really strong recommendations just the discussions that i had with his department h it's you know the planner and the finance person very strong very strong communicator they described him as a strong team builder that he  municipal departments together on all types of development for the town described as approachable easy to talk to that he really does have an open door policy and communicates very well with citizens gets people working together was a major strength he's been described as very supportive in the way development is handled by the planning board he works to ensure that groups work together professionally but was described as participating in the process not directing it he was described as respectful of the planning board's independence i think that's key for the town manager to be respectful of all independent boards and does not push but encourages projects to move on so he's very personable no one wants to see  go they were not happy to speak with me at all so  experience there funtown finance committee actually handles the creation of all of the budgets there but fred has been described as working to build consensus between the finance committee school committee and board of selectmen he's brought a high level of collaboration into practice he worked to try and describe consensus for the project so that townhouse coming at them you know they have a need for a new high school and development of the town center that whole development process was described as a lightning rod for that fred was part of and i think that is related to the outcome of his employment there he is focused oprah created an ad hoc budget advisory committee well respected by the recent chairman of the finance committee who had spoken to they said he deals well with long term negotiations you know constantly bringing in new ideas trying keep things moving he's patient obviously needs to decompress as all of us do at times town center project keeps coming up as a lightning rod in my discussions with the peers in the town of wayland to have many zoning issues so you know there was less opportunity really for action to be taken with development in that so you know that is really why i have fred in second place at this time and i i talked to the town i actually talked to some representative town meeting members and i was impressed by the way they rebuilt the downtown area they they brought character back to the town and it was very disruptive for about a year and a half but he you know he kept all the shop owners vibrant he was an integral part of that process i also this is the he rose up because of his communication skills  he's he was he set up a zone weekly meetings with the legacy place construction not we had to but he said it would be good just so he was in tune and he could communicate that back to the rest of the town so  it was a tough call and strangely enough fredricka in turn was like a really close second but it really came down to distinguishing the two based on the communication skills and really commercial development  stressed committees and i like the fact that he had a chair spirit extensive age experience but he also has plain experience because he used to be a town planner and i think that's very important  he would understand you know what goes into planning good developments and stuff i like the fact that the term addendum has a legacy place which is very sad to patriot place in fact they're about they were built about the same time i think that gives him experience in dealing with large developments on route one and said at my interview them they talked about the fight but they also talked about other things and what the fire chief really liked about it is is the town addendum it's an old town it has old buildings they will fall apart and what  mr keegan did was he instituted a facilities manager who is now in charge of all the buildings in dedham the public buildings and the school buildings and i thought that was great because as we all know buildings are falling apart and i thought that was very very important i just i just liked his communications that i felt we could we could talk to him i thought he was be very straightforward i felt projects citizens at heart committees i think that's very important to accept the input of citizens not just say this is what i'm going to do this is this is you know my way i didn't get the feeling he was he was like that  my second choice was jack hathaway and the only reason i made him second choice was because he had all the obstacles the communication everything but i just felt his experience  people are very good i think we are so fortunate and i think whoever we pick will be a great  the finance and the business sense moved up to the finance position in town and then became talum in a straight or i've worked in all three of these towns i've had decent sized projects and when and in dedham in norfolk you know when jack came into norfolk it was a little bit of a shambles because of the economy he came into a town where they just had a new town hall and the budgets were were cut drastically in the morale was very low he put things together he put departments together and he worked with the people at town hall to come from a bad situation to a pretty healthy situation right now i think he's into a lot with our population his budgets are a little closer to our budgets then i would say datum which if you go with the numbers i would do is substantially million ninety million so you know i love this interview a couple weeks ago  he was more of a town administrator and he was very successful that way didn't rock the boat and things kind of moved at a steady pace kevin was a little more  kevin and in fairness to kevin we asked him to do a lot of stuff changing budgets and changing the way that we traditionally do things and he rocked the boat and that to his detriment a little bit i think jack's kind very familiar legacy place and some of the projects that his work with jack doesn't have that experience but i think jack's a little more ambitious that once he comes into this community he's got an extra dreamily extraordinary amount of passion that i think it would suit us well so i had i had jack at the top with the quick short second with bill and then fred for different reasons at third  so little bit of a different from you guys yeah i was in tough decision but what i i came up with two things and that's why i say we need to take a second because you just do is going to be a  bill has an assistant right now he's always had an assistant and he's done a great show up he is definitely stepping down role because it's close to his residence that's the main reason he said he wants to come here lives  god i think in the short term i agree with you three he's the guy to come in here right now and make it perfect but i really i think in the long term jack would be the better candidate for longevity the majority going towards bill which is fine i do rather jack but if it's going towards the vote going towards town manager i will support jack i mean i'm sorry i'll support this and let's move forward and before we make the vote i just and it's hard me if it sounds a little corny but just a little recognition a body because he i think he was my first choice and we talked about it and i wish you had application in the hearings so we've we've recommended i sent an e mail to all of you really today we recommended that it is really three sections to what you're going to do tonight one is to read the motion that we've provided to you that's the first part of the paper that i think you are looking at and that's a vote to reopen the history for reconsideration we are suggesting that you don't even make the motion but you don't actually vote on that motion until the second part of the process which is to for purposes of hearing the presentation and a part of the discussion under the motion  which you will take any more information if there is more information and and to consider reconsideration you can vote not to do that which will be the end of the reconsideration process or if the board is uncomfortable making either of those decisions you of course free to put that decision off until a future date and continue the consideration and just state the date at which you're going to think more about whether to reconsider or not how it sounds complicated we're doing that only because we want to have any reconsideration that you do part of a part of a public airing this hasn't been notices a hearing and you are free to take the vote to have a discussion so three possibilities for for the vote itself have an answer questions and i apologize for the confusion if it is that thank you very considerate of you are welcome to join me in the c that the board of selectmen vote to reopen the hearing on the application for the transfer license change of location pledge of license and pledge of stock of a new all alcohol beverages restaurant license from foster realty associates l l c to us p p p place it will see doing business as splitsville manager paul g holy in jr the new location in two hundred twenty paper plays far from massachusetts for the purpose of hearing new information reconsidering the board's decision denying the requested look a license transfer opportunity to make this presentation we've taken a lot of time to review the hearings the deliberations of the various conversations that have occurred over the past several months and we've tried to come up with a proposal that will highlight what we think is what is truly special about this applicant and also addresses the various concerns that we've heard we try to make this is comprehensive as possible we we really have tried to make it such that all the issues that we believe are on the table hard touched in some way shape or form if we've missed anything please let us know it's it's an oversight it's not anything we're doing on purpose  we we have at the unit what we're going to do basically is i'll speak we'll show a video then we're going to talk about the proposal itself the process that we've gone through over the past several months is probably not terribly enjoyable for anyone at all but we've certainly learned some things during this process one of the things we've learned is that there are some things that we probably could have done a little bit better and one of those things is probably approach  this this process and this board with a little bit more respect and try to make sure that we do things where we listen to what you have to say and we try to address things as as well as we possibly can and i think you'll see in this presentation today that it is a respectfully prepared presentation that is designed to address all those items that we think that you have have before us and as i said if you have questions or comments please raise them and our goal is to try to answer them to the best of our abil a breath of fresh air in this process i hope we appreciate obviously that the opportunity to come in here and into prisons again and hopefully we can all collectively sort of take a step back and really evaluate what it is that we're bringing before you this evening  it's truly an entertainment fulling dining concept for with a with a family focus and in the video hopefully you know if they convey that the owners can be at the operators who made that and we can your evaluation of our great concept and our efforts to bring splits pager we're so excited about our new location there you foxboro is truly special the new splitsville be a perfect fit for this part of massachusetts our new entertainment experience is designed for the whole family which will be another great option here at patriot place whether you're with family coworkers in the office or just hanging with friends splitsville is the perfect night out every thursday friday and saturday night the lights go down in the music goes up as how the moon comes alive the driving force behind how success has always been the music since opening its doors for the first time in one thousand nine hundred pound has recruited trained and hired thousands of musicians from across the country don't deliver its unique brand of entertainment players recruited from some of the country's best music schools like berklee college of music and the curtis institute play a wide range of music from the sixty's seventy's eighty's right through current chart topping hit along clapping and dancing that appeals to a wider range of demographics not normally seen in a typical live entertainment venue in short calm is the most compelling live entertainment concert in the country has visited by millions of people and you know we feel that our unique brand of entertainment combined with sports real strong food and bowling business we can collectively create the most unique entertainment venue in the country there's both family friendly and appealing across all age demographics splitsville and how the moon is a great combination for office parties and corporate team building of that meeting planners will love the entertainment options throughout our concept and in our diverse food menu in any event is sure to be a hit by separating the lanes the result is an establishment that is very social and dynamic where our guest get to engage in many celebrations during their visit but the concept is not just about bowing it's about interaction socialization atmosphere which means our g eating drinking bowling and being entertained every splitsville location has all three legs of the stool bowling dining and entertainment with each of the three legs contributing roughly an equal amount to the overall revenue of the operation construction cost of splitsville fate your place will be greater than most other splitsville locations splitsville has decided to offer how the minute or team at three nights a week to differentiate ourselves from other venues in the region offering only bowing to music this will help us reduce the risk associated with higher construction costs here in the northeast the pater place for planet twenty thousand square feet will be the smallest splitsville constructed so far however it's a great four point our original location of tampa is about twenty seven thousand square feet and has twelve bowling lights at patriot place to keep the same number of lanes we have reduced the amount of barred dining and entertainment areas to accommodate the smaller size it's a very efficient footprint and we are confident that we can generate great sales we hope this video has helped you understand the unique nature of the sports book concept wishbones bowling dining and entertainment work side is work with you on making splitsville a reality in fox in the binder in front of you you'll see a cd rom on that cd rom are two things one is a copy of this video and the second one is an electronic version of this presentation document so that video is the is the splitsville how at the moment entertainment as a concept that we're presenting and as jim mentioned you know we working on this bigger settlement proposal now for a few weeks and i think that you know as you read through it you'll see that we address a lot of the concerns that we heard and we can go through but you know things like public safety we heard loudly and clearly that you wanted more public safety at patriot place more staffing yet nothing that will impact the settlement proposal i think gives us some certainty as we develop more with our entertainment and dining at patriot place and it should give the town some certainty as it looks to to mitigate any of the services from pater place we also heard and you'll read that there was some question about more like a life is in the town of foxborough town wide licenses and and i'll go through that this proposal does allow for three licenses for the town  substantial payment from patriot place for that for those licenses and lastly we go over the some of the restrictions that we present in tonight for the event license for splitsville as it relates to the how the moon entertainers so i think it's tap to if i can i can run through that real quickly but what to do says our proposals we would submit a joint article for special town meeting or the next annual town meeting and this article would have a home rule petition for seven new patriot place specific licenses plus any number of town wide licenses of the town that your board would recommend prior to the town meeting this board would approve the transfer of our field house license to splitsville and the entertainment license would have conditions i can go over and just in just a minute it's page three in your tab important to note though that the transfer of the license would be held by the board until town a meeting approval of the settlement proposal that we're that is indexed to if the town meeting does approve the settlement c appeal is withdrawn splitsville will receive the license again with its conditions and we will abandon our effort to expand the stadium footprint to include the field house and then when the commonwealth of massachusetts grants the home a petition from the newly acquired seven licenses one license would go to the field house and we will continue to operate the field house in the normal way that we have for years which is about ten to twelve vance a year we would swap out three of the licenses that we have a pager place today that currently town wide licenses and those are splitsville saga and toby keith and we would pay the town three hundred sixty thousand dollars for those that's one hundred twenty thousand dollars per license and so that would leave the town with three town wide licenses and three picture place licenses in its inventory and then lastly if we come before the town in the future for any of those three paper plate light play patriot place licenses would agree to pay one hundred twenty thousand dollars per license at that time i concerning public safety first we have the existing office space heater place that was built out in two thousand and seven but we again work with the chief to outfit and equip that in whatever manner he wishes secondly i know the town administrator a town manager and some members of the born in the chief and gender of the general manager peter place and i have had numerous discussions about community policing at patriot place and i believe the idea of community policing is still full time staff at the substation at patriot place that will roam up and down the heard and i've had a handful of meetings with the chief we're fully on board with the chiefs plan to bring community policing police officers he continues and details continue the details at patriot place part of the settlement would be our funding that and what we would do is is fund x dollars per issued license to cover all those costs today we pay about three hundred three hundred twenty five thousand dollars a year  details and place plus we have a one hundred forty thousand dollars mitigation payment that we pay that expires in a few years from now what we would do going forward with this proposed settlement is whatever number the chief comes up with in terms of his community police officers and any details that he has a picture place to take that money for example if it was four hundred fifty thousand dollars as i think it's the example in the index we would just we would pay the town annually thirty thousand dollars per license to cover of that cost and then lastly as part of the settlement we would agree that for a period of three years we would that we proposed and i think some of these have been discussed and some restrictions on the entertainment license for splitsville the area of live entertainment will have a space separation like a curtain arre a real that will reduce the visibility from the general bowling and dining area the live entertainment area of slash bar will not exceed twenty five percent of the total square footage of the premise limitations in the entertainment area while how the mon entertainers are performing will be capped at five hundred patrons sound levels in the bowling alley will be monitored and controlled so there will be comparable to any sound levels at any of the of the location during those comparable times the how of the moon entertainers would be provided on thursday friday and saturday evenings only from eight pm until closing except with any private events or state events or holiday no person under the age of twenty one would be allowed in to sit in the main bar of the high top tables congregate in the entertainment area while how the moon entertainers are performing and in the event that splitsvill outside of the those areas they would seek approval by for one day licenses by the board of selectmen and then the two restrictions on the splitsville liquor license be like a license manager would be from a current existing splitsville a manager from a current existing splitsville location and there will be no drink menu special dealings food and beverage promotion with a reference to how the mo i think the next tab would be licensed civic and jim can run through that given the remainder of the tabs deal with the research that we did about the entertainment licenses and the liquor licenses when we were last here  sullivan asked me to put together the very best proposal we possibly could to research it thoroughly and come back to you with with what we could do and how we could do it and we spent a fair amount of time taking a look at the liquor licenses here in foxboro and what you see when you look at that basically that's tab three is that there are thirty pouring licenses here in foxborough of those thirty pouring licenses only to have any conditions to them whatsoever one is lakeview pavilion and the other one is the cinema patriot place the the pavilion doesn't have restrictions on its liquor license per se it has it has conditions on its dancehall license so that really is not political in this context the cinema license has conditions and those conditions are basically summarized as the following it's a very large building within that very large building there are certain areas that are designated as being appropriate for alcohol service those areas should be limited to those people who are age twenty one or older except during special events during special events the facility is allowed to be completely available for alcohol service so long as there's appropriate procedures for identifying who is and who is not twenty one and there's a detail officer so that's that's the one condition that applies to a liquor license that we were able to find within the foxboro a liquor license as we then expanded our scope to take a look at what i call the splitsville competitors within the eastern part of massachusetts there are roughly four competitors that have the same type of bowling entertainment dining concept as splitsville has one of those is gillian's lucky strike in boston and there are no conditions on that liquor license another one is pins in milford once again there are no sins on that license and then there are two kings one in boston and want him dead on the king's boston has a restriction that basically says when you have a large group of children they need to have their activities in a segregated area and no one can consume alcohol in that area during that children's activity the king's dedham is a has to restrictions on it one is that everyone must undergo managed very alcohol certification training and the second one is that there should be a valid age verification system so i think that's important because one of the one of the requests that we make to this board we respectfully make is we'd like to make sure that splitsville is not and not operating under restrictions that cause a doctorate at a competitive disadvantage or certainly one to do what we can but we have to can we have to compete in the marketplace the third thing that we looked at is and have five and that is the dave and buster's situation during the course of the past few months it's been mentioned to me that dave and busters has conditions on its license that would seem appealing and we could should consider utilizing those as a basis for the conditions that we may have or the restrictions that we may have on the  splitsville license so it's have five it's a relatively lengthy time and i apologize for that but in ten five what you have are the meeting minutes from the licensing board and bain braintree and what those minutes say and in summary is the following there was a great concern in the town about a stabbing that had occurred at another dave and busters location and some stabbings that have occurred in the geographic area where the new dave and busters was proposed and the licensing board wanted to adopt restrictions that would make it less likely that similar types of acts of violence would occur inside the new dave and busters interestingly those conditions are not on the liquor license those conditions are actually a political will to the arcade portion of their property and what they say in essence is that dave and busters with respect to the arcade hall really has to work with the local police to make sure that it's properly policed and that the patrons are conducting themselves properly  with all of that what we find is basically the following that that many of the many of the concerns that you have are concerns that other municipalities also have had and they've chosen to impose restrictions by means of entertainment license as opposed to the liquor license and so as dan just read we've suggested the same type of format so we are proposing to restrictions on our liquor license that we change the manager record from paul holy into an existing splitsville manager and that's something we always intended to do as you noted the last time i was here and we'll just accelerate that and do it from day one we think it's a good idea and then the second item that we would propose it's splitsville menu for for food and for beverages and they'll be no hall of them in the averages as part of this establishment and then we ask that we utilize the entertainment license as the basis for properly drawing a circle or a fence around the hall of the moon entertainment concept and these you know seven conditions basically say that we will establish a curtain in essence during the periods of time when the health and entertainers are playing we will use the to control who gains access to that restricted area we will only operate on three nights a week only from eight p m until closing and we will take all appropriate measures to make sure that the rest of the establishment is fully available for bowling and  dining and other non how at the moment entertainment purposes and with this i sincerely that hope that we have something that we can work together towards i hope that this proposal reflects the point yes yes that's now being developed by the chief work in progress is what i'm getting yes perhaps of the chief as you're we get asked the chief but the game plan that we have in essence is we've had some discussions we like what we've heard we like the idea of developing a plan a plan that's not just for today but a plan that really contemplates the continued transformation of patriot place we have a great deal of faith in schieffer leery  assuming that he's able to put together a plan and put together a budget associated with that plan we would like to effectively just attach it to this term sheet an adopted as part of his terms ok i would replace thank you as the whole we're in the process of doing research at this point so that we can develop a plan that would provide safety for the patrons patriot place as well as the different facilities other variety of different options and myself and some of my command staff are still looking into what other communities a domain that have developed entertainment areas within their  communities but it's something that i've had conversations via e mail earlier this week with brian early that's the manager of patriot place about some other things and he's using some of the documents i provided him so that we can sit down and move forward with that operational plan but it's still a work in progress thank you ray just a couple  questions and actually i think we have to ask a couple questions in this proposal where it's discussing the potential community policing there is an annual payment to mitigate public safety services that you're looking at charging per liquor license yes correct so i guess one question i would have is you know not all liquor licenses are equal in terms of impact on policing your career so if one were to go out of business temporarily  there would not be an impact on the community policing presence per se yes if i know if the payment is tied to the number of licenses where i'm going with this yes first of all we're flexible and this is by no means the absolute perfect way to do it what our principle was what our concept was is that as the licenses are effectively taken off the shelf and added so on day one we would have fifteen licenses hopefully we continue to develop our business and eventually in a short period time we take all three other ones off the shelf and we'd have three additional licenses fully operating that would add to the requirement for community policing we think and therefore our obligation to fund should increase to reflect that likewise if one of our facilities goes out of business and we certainly hope that doesn't occur but if it but if it happens and it results in a decrease in can in policing activity we'd like to reduce this this amount of money that we're funding i frankly put it in this way as a per license payment there are a lot of different ways to handle it where flexible and willing to work with you if you are willing to buy into the basic concept that the more licenses the more funding required to prepare that to deliver the proper policing services and the other question i have is  the mention of paying one hundred twenty thousand dollars per license it's my understanding that payments have to be related to you know the size of the payment for licenses related to just the administrative handling of it so that something this large would have to be associated with medication so i recognize that it's not i would consider this not legal really for us to consider as an offer well i i i'm not exactly sure does it suggest the following the one hundred twenty thousand dollars is a number that should be really familiar in the sense that i believe that was the number that came out of the two thousand and seven patriot place liquor license process and so i inserted that in here thinking that that represented at that time and may at this time also represent an appropriate mitigation amount  if there's a different number that's associated with a different mitigation amount we could certainly take a look at it you know i would i would offer at this point in time of one hundred twenty thousand dollars is is our view of what the appropriate mitigation you know this is what's being mitigated yes presenting a license i don't think qualified for that so well what i'm suggesting is the following we assume that there's some impact from these additional licenses and we're willing to work with you to develop that assumption to see what that impact may or may not be for purposes of today who are saying it's reasonable to assume that the impact today is roughly similar to the impact of the original twelve licenses and if that assumption turns out to be true we would be pulling to pay the same amount in two thousand and fourteen that we were willing to pay back in two thousand and seven if this is the type of concept that is amenable to this board we will work with you to properly look at the impact of these additional licenses and then figure out how to properly arrange for mitigation payment that there's no nothing more than that that we're trying to suggest by that particular concept and the other question you have is about western daves i know that there were two police officers funded as a result of mustering dave's coming on to south shore plaza so i think that's i know you were explaining clearly that you know there are no conditions that you can see that reference that that's what i was talking about so that must have been some type of side agreement that was come to you that was not on the license for army into you know the liquor license or the entertainment license there must be some but we separate agreement i  don't know if there is we we have we have tried her very best to get ahold of that entire file and look through it and see what the deliberations were what the concerns were you know the impacts and how they chose to mitigate them i haven't seen anything that indicates that one of the way one of the concerns was and one of the mitigation items was funding of two additional officers but it also gets back to your earlier question i mean each circumstance is a slightly different in if it turns out that the impact here is similar to the impact the transfer applause of then you know that would be a reasonable way to approach this i just haven't seen anything in the dave and busters file that reflects any type of engagement of police officers on a their planning board about the expansion of south shore plaza but at some point it came to an agreement between the community whether it was individually with the dave and transferring the license however it would be held until until town meeting approves the home rule petition for the liquor licenses but that also includes everything else we've been talking about the police station up there in the plans and the money and all that stuff so if town meeting does not approve the home and petition for the extra licenses that goes away appealing to the a b c saying and this is a settlement agreement and the settlement agreement basically is our sincere hope that we can avoid carrying through with that appeal process and we can instead go on a more productive  fashion and so yes you're correct what what we would ask is that we signed up a settlement agreement and that settlement agreement would be a series of steps that we each take in order to work together and if we continue to take those steps one of the results would be that the two appeals to the a b c see that are ongoing would be withdrawn and we would exchange releases so that they would be in the past permanently and i since i really do sincerely hope that we're able to get to that point who would be of the life of i i would ask that we work with one of your lawyers or if you'd like like i can certainly find someone in and ask them to do it be i'm sure we would do that yes good point well and also i have i have a concern that maybe we would yes but we turn three to the town yes and you would also apply for more of the town requestion due to his part of the same petition yours is now exactly what she was asking when you know you know it's a slightly different you know what i envisioned is that we would have one article and in that one article we would have the patriot place specific licenses and we would have whatever you would seek with respect to additional all foxborough or town wide licenses and in that case given the fact that we would be looking for in all likelihood the majority of the new licenses we would certainly pay the cost of drafting that article i think though that what you are asking is if there were two articles drafted would we pay for both of those articles and i i know that we would certainly pay for our article the one that's related to patriot place specific i don't know the basis for you to ask i'm not asking you to pay for it well ok thank you this is a lot to digest you know thank you to you guys for a lot of time into this and to this a little more than i expected on this so it's a potential settlement agreement yes and that's what the seven licenses in the payments in the in the police addressing the police policing of the area and then there is proposed restrictions on the entertainment license seven of them into on the liquor license that's correct in these are merged together so if in order for the settlement agreement to happen then all the restrictions take place obviously but would down the road where if we look at the restrictions can that come without the settlement agreement oh certainly yes yes ok second question is and we just received it finance director went through the agreement and he mailed us i just got it at four o'clock but there's some items in there that is summarized as maybe should have been addressed in the two thousand and seven so i'm going to ask the border ask  can we get a response for these items that finance to finance director brought up as a potential issue get it before this gets too far to see what is new in what was should have been done in two thousand and seven  before my time and i don't want this week to go into months and not have that addressed i think that's an excellent idea prior to this meeting we went through the two thousand and seven documents just to make sure that we were not effectively offering something to you that we've already committed to and i'm not saying i'm perfect by any stretch of the ventilation but i hope they haven't done that and willing to willing to hear and i'll respond i thought i thought the police station  thousand and seven agreement but you're absolutely and we've actually built out a space at patriot place that is available for that purpose what we're talking about in this agreement is actually more completely building and equipping it so that be a really functioning well functioning substation with communications devices that will allow the foxboro officers and the other detail officers to all operate off of the same communications device i am at that point well outside of my knowledge base and but the goal the intent is to try to put something together that's going to serve the chief purposes and allow for very effective policing not just at this level but side to look at in jim obvious here an attorney or have your attorney look at the agreement and get together and say this either has the liberty or it doesn't absolutely can and we're just getting this at four o'clock just two or three pages of items on it which  get going back to the discussions that are going on right now about community policing probably you know i agree that that's an approach i totally understand that it is researching this right now and it makes total sense to go in that direction the idea of tying that to a financial agreement concerns me because i feel that she fully has alternate authority to determine no matter what what has to be done for whatever type of policing model is created for patriot place going forward for example you know the most recent experiment i understand might very well with the having that structure of a command officer up there and so to the extent that that aspect is already been shown to be effective you know i think would make sense for chief o'leary to be able to implement that independently of any agreement because that's what it takes to do policing the right way and you know again that being chief's decision i'm not comfortable having it tied to dollar amounts related to a settlement agreement at all but if i may i believe that the the trial that the chief and gauged in in the fourth quarter was actually a huge success and i don't know exactly but i believe that we would like to turn it from a trial into a full fledged effort and i think it is a wonderful step in the direction towards community policing but i think most importantly it's a wonderful example of how we can work together and make one plus one equal three i mean the chief has been very very diligent about researching this wonderful about trying new things and i think that we all are much better off as a result of that so much so we would love to build that into whatever we're talking about here and i think i agree with you that what we're really talking about is just having a good working relationship and we certainly have that with chief o'leary and we like to maintain that it's far as the dollar amount of what we're hoping to do is provide you with some assurance that we are prepared to step up and fund what that policing activity is and that it should be the case where you have to dip into town funds to do that when you notice that and in the document i just delivered it's blank and there's a footnote that says basically to be calculated based upon receiving the plan they have the anticipated cost of that plan so that that's one of the of the items here the second point though is we're a business and you know many of you are involved in  and we'd like to have some certainty about what that really is and you know we have a great working relationship we certainly anticipate continuing that great working relationship but to the extent that we can plan and therefore we can attract more people based upon some certainty about cost that's only beneficial to all of us well we'll have more tenants we'll have better tenants we'll have more activity we'll be able to generate more revenues and be able to generate more tax dollars so that's that's really why we're looking to put a number in this document we can so the part where it talks about a monetary figure you're saying you'd rather not have the money put down but have the police chief it's the it's the description of the process it's that approach which is important but that's what i'm saying is putting some type of dollar limitation to it you know let's say that red rob turns it into a crazy dance place and we need ten details in the future you know that would potentially you know that reason could happen in the middle of the year and you know so what i'm saying is the ultimate control is under cio larry yet i would not want to see the town put in the position of having to financially absorb that because it was not predicted as this is describing let's let's try and predict what the costs are going to be and it was we were absolute with you on a number of points that we would like to have a plan we would like to have that plan show us some expectation about what the costs are go and what the services are going to be and in the scenario that you just suggested of red robin turns into a crazy dance place we should build in something that allows for details to be deployed to that particular new establishment so that you know that some of that is in my mind not contemplated by a plan but we should have flexibility so that those unforseen circumstances are dealt with appropriately i don't really have a big issue with that because we don't back with a little bit isn't that how this started that the police chief looked at it and he was come come up with a plan to make it work without a dollar amount on it right and then the dollar amount got implemented through the discussions with this board and now if we don't want the dollar amount it we want to go back to why i never said that i wanted the dollar amount and i thought that came up at this table not to talk with this number i don't remember but i'm not saying you're wrong i just don't remember i will tell you that i put the concept of a dollar amount in there because i thought that was what you were now we are detail heavy coordination light and i think the plan is to convert that and be coordination heavy and detail light but regardless we would like to have a plan and we'd like to fund the plan and that plan will include you know both the sort of central policing function the community policing function plus the detail function you know what we want the thing with what money you know these do you want to pay that if that's the number going to pay and any really actually it at one point i had that i have this being paid monthly or quarterly i mean you know we could work with you on that i call the payroll works in this county annually would have to be all up front or the appeal process has started and you going to continue on with that yes the appeal this kid is currently scheduled to be heard march torch ok what day march twel ok so i was in i'd be surprised if you want but that's going to go forward with whatever strategy that you guys have and we'll have our own strategy to defend the decision but i  would rather act on this sooner than later because march is going to come and then april may and then we're stuck you know that who knows where it's going to go but i don't see there's a danger of voting yes to reconsider going into the process and we do the investigation going to go sheesh and during that process rather than putting it off let's follow through if we just did decide to reconsider we would have to schedule new hearings as opposed in period films and you know that  neither party loses their rights under the appeal process but it allows for us to keep this process moving forward so i'm just throwing that out as we were talking about me next week but we are here keep you get voted out of completely bored if k s a question if we could schedule it something for the twenty fifth that would give us time to negotiate with mr keegan hopefully again and i think we just need to move the board wants to move forward and really that song and say we want to revisit this fight but with the lack of you know council and then trying to have a four member board here i mean this you do to our time we don't have time i mean a month is a little bit extreme if we i could see two weeks but a month without a full board i can't see that we're going to have we're going to have a partial board for the next stage three or four meetings on a lot of other business right also have a board of five people we don't need to have five people at every meeting or i understand that but this is something i think that needs to be a discussions and before the next meeting there will be a formal notice and proper process that will go through with publication of the paper opening a public hearing so that you will then begin a public hearing process all questions that you ask now are information you want will be submitted to join that process and you will be able to ask and receive whatever information you need to take that time to start that process so if you wait to decide to reconsider your not necessarily buy time for deciding what you want to what you want don't want to do you just don't weighing the time first open in the process if you know that there's enough information that you want to know more before you decide yes we're going to change our mind no we're not going to change our mind by opening reconsideration you not in any way shape or form making any decision on the marriage just starting the open process which will take a few weeks and then you can formally request information that will become part of the record for you reconsideration it just gives you more time to actually have people start say you know there's this information that we've been presented the say afternoon and we have a lot of questions you know or are interested in a response on this and if this plays into the decision as to whether or not to reconsider what is the benefit of not waiting until we get this information if because this is information that could perhaps convince somebody to want to reconsider or not i think it's a very fine line between deciding to reconsider which means you're willing to look at your decision again and take information and re evaluate whether you want to reject the application approve the application or not and a more procedural issue or just a substantive issue or issues being addressed this is really the first procedural thing to get it going and all the substance is really to the merits of the reconsideration as to whether or not you want to change the original decision you know whether you decide you want to think about it or not by allowing reconsideration to start now doesn't mean you are doing anything other than starting the ball rolling so that you create an open public forum to get all the information you want to ultimately make a substantive decision right putting off the decision to procedurally open it doesn't change anything your substantive decision it's right technical and it's a very fine line but you're not changing any ability except anything you get before you actually vote to reconsider there's some issues about whether we have to  back into the record everything so some of the things you're really asking seem to be going much more to the merits of whether you wish to change your vote or not as opposed to what you want to engage in the dialogue  we're also committing to opening it up to full public hearings and letting the public really but this voting yes to reconsider is to direct the town manager to notice the hearing and schedule a reopened hearing voting no is no further i would be more comfortable continuing the discussion army consideration to a future date please you mean that you may not vote for purposes of the public hearing and ultimately deciding to change your position on the application or not change your position on the application that information will all be before you before you close the public hearing and make your decision and that information will come to you during the public hearing process you may get some before but you will have to have your questions answered before the public hearing that eventually needs to get opened if you decide to go reconsideration gets close so i don't want you open a public area you keep it open until everything you want is addressed and you have everything there whether you have something before you decide to reconsider or not i can't answer that because i can't tell you what the time frames are but when you open a public hearing everything you want you need to have and if you don't have you when the hearing and you make a decision we continue or you know a public hearing can go several sessions well i just like i say what i'm looking for the information i'm looking far is the the next to final you know information and what the plan from chico larry what the home rule petition sounds like i want to know every that's i don't join you for that and i think that kind of information and the level of detail and probably most affective leave be obtained with dialogue back and forth in a public hearing context so that if there is a plan from sheeple very and you have questions then it goes back and forth but it's part of the public record and it's a dialogue that continues in the open public hearing where the entire town has been noticed and has an opportunity to thought i'm not exactly sure what you're trying to do to ascertain from where we're deciding whether or not to go down a road based on this proposal and as as sometimes happens we get into an area where you'll say well it almost turns into a negotiation and do you prefer not to negotiate is that well i'm i'm asking the question i'm asking everybody if if this is going to if we start at this point and it turns out to be something else at the end you know i'm wondering are we really considering going forward reconsidering with this ozone or we really don't know where it's going to wind up mon i think that's part of the process and went by this is what they brought to us but g r is concerns i think james that don't be pulling anything back that's in this book i think that's what you're saying you know if that's the concern that i can assure you this is the proposal that we're prepared to go forward on at this moment in time part of what i've learned today is that there are some questions he where the one hundred twenty thousand dollars come from is it meaningful at this moment in time and quite frankly as i said earlier we need to really think about those types of things so well you know it's a little of both i'm sorry to talk about sides of my mouth but yes we're prepared to go forward with this proposal if over the next month the new things come to light and we fully expect that chief o'leary will have some additional information for us it may be that it's in all of our best interest to go in a slightly different direction and that the so that it's clear the proposal is just that it's a proposal i would fully anticipate that that proposal will go through some modifications as the board considers it for example in issues that were telling an interesting and addressed issues that do need to be changed in in the proposal so this exact language will will not be the final language it will change as we go through the process ok so these these potential public hearings yes we're going to bring more information yes and it's this all this will turn out to be an i want to say is we're still under the settlement discussions for the potential settlement moving forward the same thing that i brought up last time they're still going through the appeal period i think this and stuff that is on this table that we need to address  and i'd like it at the next meeting you can be separate from this but i don't want to go into the appeal period with the stuff one addressed on the open meeting or so if i can ask it again at another meeting and i'll keep bringing it up until it's addressed  problem that we have right now is we're not discussing it and we're getting you know i tried to put it on the in the docket but it got taken off so we can keep going around this little game but we're doing game you're talking could have been fixed two months ago ok right to go over i think i heard that the next meeting will be a public hearing on the fourth of march but i try to make sure i'm understanding things properly