motion to go on to reject this action and with that we enter into executive session to connect strategy sessions in preparation for negotiations with nonunion personnel or to conduct collective bargaining sessions or contract negotiations with nonunion personnel yes dear yes mark yes ok we'll be back by seven o'clock i hope thank you question really is when you read the bylaws it says it's going to be for environmental historical or scenic and the real question is what on carpenter street meets any one of those three requirements i think the this survey they did which i know it's hard to do surveys in any town but there's twenty one houses on the street i believe they had seven who said they might be in favor it but i'm not sure how well it was really depicted as to what the issues around the scenic road are the four people that i spoke to there on the end where my son lives you know basically don't see the benefit in creating the scenic road for cartman or street or wes leonard west line or half the houses or are just fences on the back side  people who put about you know to protect their backyards from view and i'm a carpenter street there are virtually and roger can probably confirm this or virtually no town trees that are involved that you'd be protecting and there's no stone wall to be protected so i'm trying to figure out exactly why you know unless you had unanimous consent on the neighbors why you would actually go forward with making these into scenic roads when they don't even seem to meet the bylaw requirements  at the drainage issues on carpenter street and wes leonard something happened a while ago during construction on those roads and it broke down the drainage system right now the the two manholes are or catch basins that are right in front of my but that was the one of the neighbors took that picture in her yard as the exact same thing so there's got to be some major road work done before you go anywhere so to roger's point i think what you need to the planning board in the past was at least meeting have a long dragged out you know gun fight about this thing so it sounds to me like it's it's kind of premature the town meeting every time we bring it up somebody homeowners were notified all of the cards returned by the landowners were all positive except for leonard in west leonard and those were seen to be taken off of the list so i don't hear in you son is on think at the end of the day it's just a way for people to protect the land that they built they would like to think that they don't but actually as in the right away if they want to put a tree there they want to put a stone wall there to protect them so that's that's essentially all seven or eight different databases some of which were you know very old that she had entered by hand others which other people had already digitize and she laid that out and then overlaid it all on a digitized map of foxborough mass so she was able most of the work most of it was because of historical reasons you know that these are these are roads that have probably been around for a very long period of time at one time they really were kind of the epitome of what the experience of living in foxborough was very tr residential you know i think as some of the planning board said foxboro used to be called the tree tower or something like that i mean but wood was all that if you go to a lot of our streets you know it's kind of benches clear cut out to the right away and you know it's unfortunate and i think people reflected that when they talked about it when they had one and they did the exercise for the master plan people wanted to do something to try to get foxboro at least a little bit back to the way that it used to be so this was a reaction by the pla explain more about that with just like to me it comes to me scenic roads is it's not really defined but you kind of know when you see a scenic road you know it's a seeing a road and you know when it's not missing the road so i don't day when the boss is dead these trees were all perfect i says because it's committees that take care of this and he was kind of enthusiastic about it and i was kind of trying to explain to him how it works it's not just about being on this board everybody does this year yeah right so what would be making a scenic road now then would have been a really great idea and i'm not opposed to the whole thing i just think it needs more discussion that's all i'm saying down the road and not to get involved and these folks took the time to participate in the process because our intent mission to bring the results of the master plan surveys that have been done  right up front went for funding everything else we said it was going to be requesting input from the city to resent a town meeting to see if the town as a whole buys it any of this a the street saying they were in for and so we didn't even vote to bring those forward because being true to what we said if we had significant street opposition we were only going to go forward with those so we're revisiting those the members are citizen that we expect a town meeting that will go forward with the articles that we have voted to go forward with and we may pull some back but the ones we go forward we expect to be some  we and if it goes forward great if it does go forward great but we feel we have to be true to what we told folks that we're going to do with the monies that we were spending and with their input this just a quick process i don't people to think it was because we got a memo from sky sharon talking about postcards it wasn't just postcards of postcards back and that's how you made a decision i do some friends on cross street so when that first came up there's a lot of what does the town to look at those stone walls and take into the plans that if you take down a wall like that you need to feather back to duty and i protect it whatever rather than a way to it's all have to do its bidding but i don't want it to be at the beginning when committees do a report or before these articles although that will make a pitch just to explain the process how we got to where we had so we don't have to do it students and that represents one point four percent of the total population of southeast the regional from the town fox world on the very next page news we are f y fourteen budget summary so the foundation budget for southeast region of f y fifteen is twenty one million to twenty seven to ninety two from that amount thirteen million five hundred thousand seven always comes from state aid  fund given to the total foundation budget of twenty one million to twenty seven to ninety two the next section i just want to draw your attention to is student transportation a reason transportation as you know the state has said they would transportation at one hundred percent but again they had that little carry out there in the law that won the state appropriations are available since inception the state has not funded research education at one hundred percent they've been as close as eighty five to eighty six percent and  as low as twenty one twenty two percent so the key there is when you do see a legislatures your senator or congressman your representatives let them know that research education is important to the town because it was funded one hundred percent there'd be no local assessment any of the communities for regional transportation so you can see that our cost his patients one million three thirteen three seventy nine from the state aid were received some hundred fifty seven thousand to ninety nine and the difference come from local assessments of five hundred fifty six dollars an eight if we do receive more local trace or regional transportation that money would go back to the communities based on the aroma to the school so again this is just an important situation that we can suppose we fund the one hundred percent it's not funded and in fact the towns in the city sense the southeastern region where our capital costs are for the thirty six thousand and seventy five if you do recall about three years back now we came to the towns of the city and we did the renovation next page you'll see that that's a modest increase from f y fourteen at one point seven three percent from last year so overall southeastern regions margins increased one point seven three percent and assessments of stay at the minimum required contributions so we're not asking for one di more than what the state says we have to spend on education so students is out just a regional if you flip about halfway through you see oh it was in purple itself a local assessments  higher and the reason for that is if you recall last year the governor's numbers did not hold throughout the the tenure of his of his recommendation they actually dropped or actually they were decreased his numbers so that meant assessment increased but the house ways and the senate have actually come together and they've had a joint resolution where they've come together so that the chapter seven number of the suspect numbers will hold so there's an actual small decrease in the town  three thousand dollars so the actual amount of the assessment for a five fifty will be two hundred forty six thousand and nine ninety six which is an increase of thirty two thousand six hundred twenty one dollars for f y fourteen foxborough into the bottom section of the have the factors that affect your assessment so things such as student enrollment enroll me as a percentage of the community and home as a percentage of the district factor percentage above or below target sharing of the three main factors or variables that determine the assessment of the tom fox no the assessment is determined solely by  returns from state and your assessed values and property as an increase or decrease all those facts to take into consideration and the state determines how much the town of the city can afford to pay for education and based on enrollment that percentage is broken out to not trying to dodge your question though if you if you'd taken my question as to compare it that's not what i was asking i'm sorry company have you been have you been spending time on this side reviewing this and what your perception that's what i ask and nothing to do with the  have and that's taken some awards and then the other industrial arts you might know of culinary arts and metal fabrication body work those sorts of things those programs are going very well we have that the students from fox first to the district are getting acceptance letters if if they are accepted to the school you know for students that have already been accepted so  very happy with it but jim did you want me to drill into something i haven't touched upon a couple years ago the questions were cost controls how you're in there and the response back was you're being very proactive in your bus routes and things like that but for the year that you were working excessive been more than one year you've been working with the school for a couple of years now extraordinary measures to keep costs down in being innovative to things that are going on today just general discussion we spoke about that we're stepping up and asking the town to go to if not at this town meeting not of the year but a new fund a stabilization fund that we're asking all the different schools  done our innovation project our capital for projects to keep them updated to keep it maintained without have to come to the communities and say in one year all the boilers of like gold we need two million dollars to replace them we feel that vocational school because you see this really take pride in their work the plumbers fix the plumbing electrical they make their watchable so if they see another student trying to do some damage do you know they take pride in what they've done and there's a what are you doing you know let's let's take care of our school here it's a unique atmosphere the kids really come together they barred and even throughout the renovation and feature projects they were involved in a lot of them probably hands on so they got some real reelect experience  really other questions from the board i just wanted to know commend you in the superintendent you know over the years i see that you have worked really hard to keep the cost down just the fact that you're able to fund that renovation within your budget and get our budget process starts in early november and it starts right with the teachers right on up to the school committee to protect it and i so i can't take credit for all that and it is a joint effort and that's how we are able to to keep these budgets when they're up there i've shared with the board a couple of memos that i've also shared with the residents on oak street and you could see from the memos that that their desire is pretty much to get going with something up there  the issues are basically three excessive speed noise and trucks i had three speed studies the two at two different locations actually all three at different locations and the eighty fifth percentile speed came up between forty two and forty six miles per hour from the street not surprising because the streets thirty six feet from curb to curb and the lanes are pretty wide and it's pretty straight there's only one big curve on the street i also had a truck study done and a percentage of trucks was slightly over one percent about one point three one point two somewhere around there that can vary from day to day but the professionals have a particular day that they do the counts on and that's when they did the counts and that shows what it shows as far as the the noise goes pretty much the noise is partly due to the speed partly due the trucks and partly due to the fact that the pavement is starting to age so there's quite a bit of noise that in different places on the street two problems with the street are that the gas company has not completed work on replacing the main that they started all last year and we have some serious water issues that we need to deal with on oak street oat streets one of those non unique streets in foxborough that has two or three water mains on it and the newest ones are duct the higher end and there i want side of the street but the only thing hooked up to those water mains is a few hydrants the services and the lines that go into the subdivision hooked up to the old pipes and that's why we have black water issues up there and what we need to do it with overstreet the same thing we did to the east part of chestnut street last summer we transfer all of the services and all the hydrants over to the new pipe and virtually eliminated the black water on that section of just not street and we need to do the same thing on old saint that stuff takes time and we have other streets in town that need the same thing mechanic street being one of them  we've had a rough went there hasn't suffered quite as much as some of the other streets in town we have funding opportunities but the governor signed the transportation bill yesterday and withheld it up the hundred million extra that he was supposed to give out to the cities and towns and chapter ninety five had that hundred million i could add oak street to the list for this year but right now the money is just not going to be there to do it this year we're going to have to do it next year but the pipe work can be done and i'm going to get going on that pipe work as we move up through mechanic street and turn the corner right down the street the new plant has a limited a good bit of the black water in there but those services speeds they would like to see some devices that could could tend to force trucks to take other routes and they would like to see the work done yesterday and you can  there has pretty much dictated a big segment of south street at least at the very least an overlay on west street to hold it together for one more year till i can really do it right and some are streets and very difficult and tough shape some smaller streets that you think wouldn't be that expensive but one of them is foxboro boulevard in foxboro it just came apart this winter and so the judge  and all of those are on the list for the grind and resurface along with many other streets that are that are in rough shape so i'm willing to do whatever the board wants to do i think the speed issue can be resolved pretty simply because the house is a two hundred feet or less apart that makes it a thickly settled district and we could sign it right away for thirty thirty miles an hour in a thickly settled district then it would be up to the chief to enforce and i can do that fairly quickly just getting the i don't know if you if you sign it for thirty miles an hour you know that you know that the get the current eighty fifth percentile speed is forty five so what you're going to do is you've got to trap a lot of people and if you drop a lot of people a good percentage of them are going to be locals many of them residents just that's that's the history of what we do and that's and i'm not making that up i've i've seen it happen and many other people have seen it happen over the years  through things like that and it can be done it just adds to the cost of what you need to do john that's that's really i have an idea for a night that i might be able to make work up there and would save some money but at the same time someone accomplished what you just talked about and that is if we were to grind and resurface the middle twenty four feet straight but with eleven foot traveling to set a twelve foot travel lanes and then put chip stone chip chip seal on the outside of that on the on the shoulders that might have some effect on on speed because of the narrow historically narrow lanes tend to slow slow traffic diao other than that we have to put obstructions kermie things like that and they become a comments i know that i talked about this today and one thing i had a lot of experience dealing with was fixing roads and dedham and that was costly and an issue that we had to deal with and it's interesting because of what you asked for when you put in speed bumps and   trucks if it's only one percent eighty percent of the problem story carries every conceivable type of commercial vehicle you ever saw it's vehicles create a lot of noise and day speed the biggest thing it excuse me the biggest thing i think that can be done which i understand is the hardest i people all the commercial vehicles up their street because it is bigger than the number one shot cut between ninety five and co pass it going into flux enjoy mansfield they love the street no restrictions no police presence nothing to slow them down now i can attest that they start at five fifteen in the morning kept leaking and then they left it alone and it really started to leak and it leaked for a substantial amount of time still a good down and they repaired and i believe that that top and everything but what happened now is that corner the road a little high so at five fifteen in the morning and during the day when they come down that trucks well i can attest to every window in my house and my floors shaking in vibrating and i'm on that corner so that's just one small and i'm on the corner and i was right next to him and i watched him when he saw that cruiser you could see every one of those taillights go on even though they were facing us that's how fast they slowed down because they will do the speed limit yes and i probably probably we have street residents that go over thirty five miles an hour i'm sure of it but i have done a couple of things that street issues in the day and then i remember him fighting for the traffic light at the corner hokum mechanic and i know how many years that taught and then i know it took five years after they did all the studies and everything to even get the life so i'm not looking for an over make you look on no street but huge thing is i want to point out to the board is that truck traffic and one summer two summers ago last summer when they were doing major construction somewhere every five minutes huge gravel truck would come up that street sometimes three of the time but tell you that the noise that they make and the fact that i know other double up i mean if that's hard to do them by golly we're in trouble double dose besides you can go half a mile before you see another thirty mile speed so they should be at percent of them over here weight limits but they're up and down that road continuously and he stopped right after five o'clock in the morning so that is really a problem and as i said just when i started the person that said to me well what are you talking about los got wrong with st and i was the do you live there and the answer is no so obviously you don't know what goes on on oak street so anyway just opinion  other issues of routing them to other neighborhoods but it seems it doesn't meet the state warrant to do that and that's an impossibility right now so if the eighty fifth percentile is warranted but then it just so people are aware what's going to end up happening is there's going to be a lot of tickets written and the majority are going to be from the people on oak street or other residents a fast fire going through a host of people on this same same issue that you're bringing up if you put speed bumps the people that are going to use it every day the people that live there so they're going to be inconvenienced by that i think there's going to be a lot of tickets for local and i'm saying as i said if i live on north street you put the speed bumps in and i still go fast  and i do it every day so i would support thirty miles an hour with the understanding that there are going to be a lot of unhappy people because they're going to get ticketed that live in the area maybe when the next board of what was on the board in the future up the road what we try to do is what we get out pace of the road we try to try to make a deal with the property owners and set trees back so that the property owner can take care of that tree after it's planted until it gets its legs under it and it's far enough off the road from the three elementary schools the middle school and high school and every kid in the school were c v a flyer about the day to try to get the numbers up and we pointed to all the all the different groups in town and right now there  you would make this cleanup committee a town committee the immediate reasons number one when we're i mean the enemy that it would be much better if we were a town committee doing this just like we've got to clean up sections of the railroad and and everything else but if we were also as a an official town committee then we could be invited onto industrial property primarily so that we could have a local downtown industry host our entire sign up effort as well as our closing celebration we did the sign up in the town of baiji last year and a closing celebration on the con that's cramped space in common is busy we can put everything all in one place and it would just change our whole operation so much and if you recall we are also inviting the entire town to use that opportunity on forces day to day and we're going we go out to the servicemen and women through how to chill regroup and cultures and all these things are set up we just we just need these things to give us a all the products and everything else i mean hundreds of hours that are going into this the all of this done at absolutely not one penny of cost to the town this will still be the focus but when you look down the road to be able to expand most immediate and most helpful to us right now would be to just well for a couple of weeks would be a rather small committee but i mean it would get us through this project our number our next door neighbors over in mansfield that run one of the best cleanup days in the state and it is morphed into this unbelievable thing and it all started off just the way it did with us you know one person bringing something up another person started an idea and everyone just ran them with it as a down and i see no reason why we can't do that here in foxboro today i did a little exercise to try to get my point across and i had my niece and one of her friends go down a ridge road the street i live on so they started at the very top original road we did not hit the two called the sacks off of it but we just went straight down ridge road and they were out there for about an hour and a half and i got pictures that i'm go try to get into the fox reporter not this thursday but next thursday to coincide with the letters that will go out to all the schools and we filled four contractor bags full of trash a lawn chair in a door to someone is you can't see a piece of trash anywhere it's great and you know if if we really get behind this is a town people are going to be driving through and you're gonna see a difference i mean when you go driving down the roads tomorrow they open your eyes and really looking at is trash everywhere everywhere and it shifts one of those things that if we don't stay on it as a community we can really get at it and now's the time and i want to get this done so with your blessing we can make this a real big thing mark if you will they just did what they originally planned to have this on town hall parking lot to open it up and as jack explained it believe that's its coverage and things like that so that's why the group is here tonight asking for your support to make it committee so something you have to also keep in mind when you're making decisions t about and it's really a good thing because every day it's all run by through donations people that they have a fundraiser of year and people come and donate money and then they pay for the flowers and they maintain them and they you know they you know take care of it really helps to be  comedian means feel to be a standing toe to me that they are going to think so i mean it's it yes they are yeah it's ok they have been for a while yeah they have their own website and stuff like that and they have i mean it's a big big project over there i want to say that they get seven hundred to a thousand volunteers here also last year in the thirty day we basically had twenty eight days we put this together and we had just about just about two hundred something i want to  say my goal this year i mean i want to i would like to get in the range of five hundred if we don't get more than four hundred i'd be i'd be our i'd be upset so we're really going to push it through the schools and try to get the stuff in the paper newspaper and you know i whatever you guys want to put together as they're signing in and giving their t shirt signing live whatever you may have to be if the insurance company gets some sounds good it's you know what we'll do whatever we got to do to make it work but  imagine what my conversations with just to do they had been over these past few weeks and all of the staff members but we actually got to talk about something other than the cleanup today when i was over in his office and one of the gentlemen said to me hey buddy here take a look at this and they're installing a new program in the company where they have a monitor and hear their trucks and they cover a lot of territory they don't know where every truck is at any given time they won't know what speed that truck is traveling with street what the posted speed limit is for that street and its relationship to the speed of the truck now he's just told all the workers do they know we are very determined that we would be responsive to what we were hearing from some folks that we should seriously explore the lease option and so that's what we've done so we prepared a request so those those the three three facilities that came forward we went through a process of independently the four of us by our building built myself independently reviewing the responses and ranking them d there are the different locations obviously you know one is about one point one point six miles away from the center of town that's the t twenty five fox both large and the looking like  year lease in total multiple options just to get to some bottom line numbers here are the king light you know on the face of the proposal what's the point six eight now lane over twenty five years point six million so i think one of the things that i believe folks were were expecting is that the lease the lease option you know might be a more economical approach buyout option after after five years for six and a half million if you add in the interest cost if we finance that plus the first five months of five years rent it would bring it rate up to eleven point six million rate what what it would cost us to do our own your own thing to twenty five fox realty building which is a larger building i believe this was a forty eight thousand feet home you know much larger interest to finance some point to be off with the million dollars so that would that option be more expensive and then there's the question of you know what would we do with the other spaces there would have to be some space playing it would have to go into that would be something else will go there is was there was no build out the other two had for four build out so there'd be a significant you know some figure cost to build out within the next building and there were very little very few costs that were being covered i looked at this from the approach that there was an unanswered question a town meeting and that was the lease option most businesses prefer to lease rather than hold and i think that's where some of the tax payers were kind of looking at it should we look at this as a business and how would we approach that so there may be numerous other sites in town that are capable of handling a town hall but when you go out as you all know you have to go through the formal process of an r f p if only three of them are willing to step forward and say they are the fact that we they were all willing to do multiple years of five year terms again if you're going to make this commitment you would want to be locked into something that could change five years and move the entire town hall one of the biggest things i think most of you know is town so again with that additional cost and with the fact that it no matter where we move to we would need that vault space you don't really want to have to move down the road so this way we would know what our lease spaces are what i found interesting is in almost all the cases there  five year increments were actually pretty hefty in what they were looking for increases that's not what i've seen in the past month in commercial space so i'm not sure why you know they were taking that pro choice the other thing is in the can like proposal  they proposed twenty two thousand square feet as a building because and i think anyone put into this position would do the exact same thing that's what they know they can fit on the property and if the town were to bail after five years they're going to obviously have wanted to build the most they could build up front and not have to try to do it down the road i think if there was a serious discussion with the town to say this is really all we want there is no room for negotiation the r p was written so that we could sit down if if in fact the board's like and said well we'd like to approach one of these and move forward based on the ratings and everything we could sit down and actually negotiate further shrink the space you know get the runs down get their work cost down so that there may be a differential there actually he actually has a design that he you know as far as what the building would look like it's just a layout would be something that would fit our needs versus maybe a state or commercial so that would be the differential you'd you'd actually have a treasure collectors office built future use by another business credit space so that's where the twenty two thousand square foot figure came from however what we're asking of the board is that they make a recommendation to just allow us far is that into him a b twenty two thousand square feet we only need fifteen sixteen fifteen if he wants them to five was probably number so that being the case he could still conceivably build that space he could then release out the remain i just came from so there it is interesting because we've not looked at that kind of approach before but i thought it was interesting we looked at least purchaser we are a condominium ization of a building slam dunk i mean it's unclear whether it would that possibly reignite the town's appetite to revisit the present location well i would hope quite honestly that it answers one questions and put off  that you know if the taxpayers and i and i do think most taxpayers believe that you owe your your buildings because you are a forever ten you're not here for a twenty year ten or ten year here you know you are a member of the town you're going to have to offer so i think that's why most people look at the fact that we own buildings will read schools will write you know if you know you buildings it's it is your infrastructure to run your business with and our business just happens to be satisfied with the needs of the t first need are we close enough to where people will leave town hall has to be calm and if that's the case then you've got an option or if it's not the case then you really don't even have an option there i think we knew going into this that there were no buildings in downtown  with one more piece of information in your hands so as to which way you'd like us to forget the other piece of information that we don't have is that if we did so we did decide to go down one of these paths we still have a building we still have to deal with what's the eminent pursue her i imagine we'll get some serious interest in that building as well if we were going to pursue one of these options ok but to do to your point john does it reignite that it probably does  downstairs so something's got to be done sooner rather it's while we're here is in the school building ok lorraine one question about the bond payments the calculation know in terms of the lease options but i really am excited to see that it does potentially give us the opportunity to rig night at the current location which is really in line with the master plan and  i would hope that this would clear up the concerns that advisory committee had in terms of wanting this answer and you know perhaps we could really move forward to have discussions as to you know what what makes sense to do it what it also does which is basically it to a degree confirms the value of forty south street right here because again these are all buildings that people are advertising the same way figuring out their cost and going through the exact process again but their buildings are worth so why wouldn't a heart be worth that to build you know we're not a house if anything we're on the opposite side because we have all the constraints of you know purchasing part of the state guidelines and having to pay wages that are prevailing wages i think so we actually run about a twenty five percent to thirty percent increase in our cost compared to the private sector for yet our numbers for the same size building is coming up pretty close so it does show our numbers are really off that much in the the concept of what it would cost to build a building that we just go might go still remember that was not a finalized plan that was a plan that was a design it was a kind of so obviously you know before we would go to the next step of fully blowing that out to the real plans that right construct i think you guys need to sit down i think to the individual boards need to sit down with you and you need to kind of bet all the spaces out maybe you've got the outside look how it sits on the property and all that stuff has yet to really be decided the only thing that was a concept come up with a number based on the square footage we needed based  working for twenty five to realty so and bill i've spoken to about that project they were planning on renovating that building putting the tent all the tenants combining them on one floor in totally restructuring the building and the site so i've been involved in this project for a while well before the hour of peace so if that makes anybody uncomfortable i can because myself but does i have no monetary benefit if this goes forward one way or the other so just i want to make one way or the other then moving forward with or without town also i just want to make that clear and i've said it before and i'll be repetitive i'm not a fan of i mean a simple municipality renting space for a long term for twenty five years  that you name some reasons and there's many more i can think of it just doesn't make sense when you own the property when you have a building and as john said when you've got an asset which you've got to do something with and then you're moving it over for twenty five years temporarily you could do it well you know two years three years when it's under construction i've seen this process and i know another called a bill before this meeting with a simple question if this board goes now that we have the information the kind of the uncertain discussion was you know why don't we lace lease it's a no brainer i've heard it from the ad com i heard people that are not in the business say you know lease people do it all the time it's not that simple but if we go back to the process of looking at townhall whether it's run of asian knock down build whatever your committee got the crap kicked out of them at town meeting and all the blogs and in the newspaper do you guys have the wherewithal to even revisit this because if i was sitting in your seat i would just say i'm done and bring somebody else on because it it's been a painful process and the last thing i wanted to say is i you know there were some articles written bridgewater is doing a new town hall so bridgwater can do it for this amount why can't we do that and we're idiots and all that stuff so i sat down and listened to it at one of my project is the bridgewater town hall right now we're restoring that because it's a significant landmark it's right in the middle you couldn't be in anymore in the middle the ro goes around it they've had the police and fire station they've had town hall town halls moved out now they want to move back in that cannot be knocked down so the money has to be put into it and it's still cheaper what we're doing than that but i'm reading the articles and all the discussion and i want to walk away from this because is it worth it you know the aggravation my recommendation as it was before is to knock down town hall and rebuild it i've seen studies on both sides i've seen the numbers and i've heard the arguments of you know bring in windex and ammonia and get rid of the mold you know why would we have heard knock down a building you don't do it from your house you put in addition on it i first got married i lived in is a small cape we started having children i wouldn't knock it down in build a new one i couldn't put in addition i'd sell it and move someplace else but there's a buyer for that sold the cape a small you know two bedroom cape there's no buyer for town hall one way or the other somebody has got to deal with all the issues we only asset you know somebody on this board or the entire board of the entire planning board if you know playing board wants things in still stay down town hall i mean sorry in the town center in the selectmen want this any advisory committee kind of wants it collectively we've got to get our act together because people that work in town hall they can't you know her capita this is the space that people are in there you couldn't build it these days you can't fit five people in a small room with one you know men's room that's been leaking for nobody wants to fix the faucet and i tell you as much as we want to kick kevin pecos around one of the first when i was on the c h p his first thing was recommending put new roof on new windows new doors button it up and we must kick them out saying why would you invest in a dump he says because that's my job so we went through that era you know i can't take much more the negative stuff the professionals are saying it's got to be this way you know at some point we're going to say you know we've got to get our act together and put a good marketing a sales pitch in get it through town meeting if not we're going to be revisiting this again you know we went through and you guys did a nice job sending it out i thought we were going to get ten responses i was surprised it was three and i asked you you know where the two more that you got throughout because they didn't meet the requirement this is it this is this is the best we can get we're going to be spending you know sixteen million dollars to rent something verse you know eleven on something that we own it just doesn't make sense to lease for twenty five years if we only did it for five years these prices are going to be even more because nobody's going to invest in a five year lease agreement with the town it just doesn't work that way were the are a few was written though so we could walk after your father correct so you know we collectively could take any one of these for the value for the first five years and they walk out there or also walk as a temporary yeah i don't just star pinion we've given you our pinion we've hired consultants they've given you the same opinion but in the end if you told us to believe the building upside down we'll build a building upside i think my point was you you get the thing is seems you also you know i'm a little disappointed that the lease option didn't work out just for a temporary fix rob people i really have i thought we could find something relocated for a year to get through this process and go back to square one it didn't work out so you know it was misinformed we did you  hall if we give you this money like the n b l or something like there's a reason i bring that up is because that's exactly what i just stated publicly and and other people making different statements so clarification here the professionals in here own the building that's it we're on our own there's three buildings in this town that don't really qualify for anything d p w joint public safety in town hall ok everything else has if you will a big brother behind it libraries obviously have the state library board and that's where they get their thirty percent in funding schools obviously have the m s b a as a grant funding source again you have to go through their process and then you can move forward  but you know when you look at it you know these other three there's really nothing that sponsors them on the statewide level which also shocks me the fact that we're held to a higher entity when it comes to paying space keo and others bidding the bidding process boys because i got a couple who were waving their hands on the ice want to speak so so just in terms of the whole funding of this and you know hopefully getting support from the town at a town meeting if the whole municipal the entire municipal agreement for water and sewer goes through with all with mansfield come already we could reignite our efforts with the town as a review committee to get ready to dispose of those properties and that could help contribute to lowering the amount that we would have to fund potentially so you know i just threw that out there that we know we would have the ability to have mark to work on that between that and also looking at the legislation the special legislation for the recreation building to see if we can get that through this town meeting that would again maybe give us the opportunity to bring some funds and just you know cautionary note i know we you all recall we tried that approach before you know it multiple funding sources to try to solve this you know financing equation i think ultimately you know those properties will be sold you know in the town will realize you know significant dollars whether it goes towards the town hall that service or the next debt service i guess what i'd hate to see happen is that the town hall project gets delayed handing sale of other property when we know we're going to have other buildings that ultimately are going to you know reap the benefits of you know whatever proceeds we get and won him or you know you know all right but  just to refresh you know we have currently two hundred fifty thousand you know earmarked at the annual town meeting for you know lease and related costs obviously if if we're not going this route we're going to reduce that number on town meeting floor so there's you know two fifty that that's freed up you know we also had you know some furniture fix your money in the capital budget obviously we wouldn't advance that and then we balance the budget you know with you know with a question that gets us  you know close to four hundred thousand without the the process the you know the state budget process settling so you know there is that there is the starting point for it to pay the you know the debt service that we were talking about the more questions from the board seventeen years i've seen this thing go to our flames so many times and they do doesn't matter if it's this board the previous board or the board the comes after we allow the same room so i think they you know they are more than capable of managing a project like this and certainly they vetted this project multiple multiple times so it's just a little frustrating you know when there are at heart committees that are not officially sanctioned that you know receive the same sort of weight as the committee that you have actually if we're not saying that the revenue right the public input absolutely but you have when you committee and you know of the town hall it made a let down and that project had to go forward so as far back as ten years ago when that was to government for it so it was supposed to be done at that time everybody here who used the same location we would release them but if we go to town hall we're still going to need a temporary lease and for a couple years so there's still an opportunity for some of these or changed situation i think we've heard a lot of good points this evening i wonder there's some problem areas that just don't just geology in terms of what is here  you know randy put together some excellent numbers here and there were reports unfortunately the new building in south st those numbers are two years old let's recognize that there is no  dressed as part of this issue d p w is now a town hall they're going to have a separate building so talk to white but i think that that comes now as a budget a separate budget instead of solving the town hall problem that million dollars is because the d p w is being moved if they stayed in those buildings with that million dollars have the necessary dancers know but do you have the space where there's a whole different argument all we got the post office i'm not arguing cloaca dick dick we've got new information on the floor here i'm going to be very respectful and you can say different thing they wanted to we just had a great discussion the facts of the facts that we if you want to have discussions on what you think is important to the new structure and how tonight's not the night i'm just saying we got through the night here we don't have a lease option that's the way we got it will you agree with the numbers two years old that you think this is not the time to have this conversation does anybody disagree that i think it's important for dick to present this information to the permanent municipal building committee does that's who really oversees these projects is a noun and i think that's what has gotten out of in our world was off by some four hundred percent it's only off by two hundred percent but it was still hard let me just just gets to get to the effort which i think all of us should be concerned with on this it isn't just a new building it isn't just a lease it isn't just renovation there's a whole series of issues tied in here which we don't have on the table and should be on the table the total cost of revising the town all includes that d p w whether you think it's a separate issue or not they're there now to solve that problem that million dollars needs to be added to any budget that we put together on this i have you know other say just for the record i did not say that they don't operate one hundred discussion on the bill in the said to the now what i said if they want to be stay part of the town hall and not build their own structure which came in a low budget from what they were trying to bring in together i think was a million close to a minute of six hundred thousand last year ok this whole process will start again that's what i'm saying if i could suggest that you result of the program requirements exercise that we went through that k p a coordinated so that those of the space numbers what it why is it twenty seven percent higher than k b s numbers  are changed or continue to change or we are not given i think what we need and that this is my my strongest recommendation is to get back to that meeting that we talked about ad calm yourself building committee and whatever and discussed the whole scope of the project and not just side as you people in the building committee have since k b r you said their cost was the same and we all know that estimate was off by three million dollars so you know i don't know that i don't know that you make all these accusations you make them here are you making this and i don't have the facts to substantiate that that's true how can you just i'll probably say three million dollars over everybody who was part we had the whole debate openly and we all disagreed with you numbers at the time i'm not trying to be disrespectful i'm not going that this could drag down tonight another night we'll have to discussion ok general you have a general public hearing and have the whole thing on the table and not just the new building not just we decided we've gone back and forth was like a seesaw we've gone from a lease option to a new to renovation to new construction and now we're going back to a lease option and we still need a lease option move the people we built this board and that board once before year we sweep for new construction i'm in the trades too james is an expert in the trades we all of the board of selectmen renu all the folks on this list with the exception of the personal wage board which we will discuss at a later time second of all the very i thank you next billion charitable foundation of forty five lakeview road that's a very generous gift and thank you very much second oh the trailer which is ok great thank you next chart ok number explain i don't like if it is a question yes or no and if it's too lengthy to explain why put it on here so i'd say no it says yes fair to say yes happy to do so again but if you know another minute to have written it down  a little offensive that they don't and i don't know this person but if it's been suspended right the reason why or i think the way he's a rino i think he's reviewed this  sixteen john when i move to the border selectman approve a bicycle race to be told on june twenty second two thousand and fourteen from seven a m to eleven a m and this is sponsored by the national multiple sclerosis society second t happy to help bill out much as he needs when i'm going anywhere so there is resourceful every so he said there's very few people that i could have picked that has the institutional knowledge