good evening we are at the second scheduled regularly scheduled meeting for holland city council this is my first meeting as the mayor of the city of holland i'm very honored and blast to be able to assume this position to be entrusted with the leadership of this city that i love and i hope that we will do great things together as a team and i'm thankful for all those who came tonight for this meeting and for all the good that will be done here tonight i'm looking for someone to take the role an now we are going to do what has been done for decades in the city of holland we will begin with prayer led by me and then we will have a pledge allegiance to the flag and if ever there were a day for us to stop and be grateful and thankful for our freedom and this country that we live in you would be today please my father in heaven you are holy holy holy lord god almighty was and is and is to come you are in control of everything in this universe everything on this planet everything you know holland michigan everything about this meeting that gives us peace and security as we go about our duties day to day we pray lord that you will forgive us for the choices that we have made that have been honored you as individuals or as a community we thank you for being faithful for being the g that has come here with that loyalty and his true throughout all these years you have helped us guided us inspired us they will be true to your principles honor you in what we do and say we treat each other with dignity and respect they will be a place that others will turn to as an example of a community that gives to each other that gives to the world thank you for this opportunity for this in your name we pray a thank you we are going to start with the consent agenda which our clerk and i will be reading through all the things that we will be able to approve with one motion at the end however if you have come here in order to discuss something that is on the agenda and we have it on this concern and we will ask at the end then you can ask to have it removed and we will discuss it in its sequence thank you and item four be to approve the minutes of the regular meetings hel fourteenth twenty eighth two thousand and fifteen i am forced see to accept and file executed ups of office from various boards and commissions item twelve a one to approve acceptance of grant easements for the building of the natural gas hundred eight dollars and thirty six cents for the pipeline electrical construction services pending approval from special council into authorized the mayor and clerk to sign item twelve eighty three to approve a contract with month extension options with a maximum value of two hundred fifty thousand dollars pending city attorney approval and authorizing mayor the mayor and clerk to sign item twelve a for to accept as information the renewable energy credit sales report prepared by the board of public works operations director item twelve d one to refer claims filed against the city to the city's insurance carrier and city attorney for consideration item twelve  point one point one two approve the professional services agreement with fishback thompson car and huber with funding provided by the michigan department in environmental quality stormwater as management and wastewater program grant subject to review and approval by the city attorney i am twelve easy one point two two except as information updates regarding the will remain pipeline directional pipe repl needed for finalization of the non motorized bridge placement located at one mile and item twelve four point one two approve the purchase of three two thousand and sixteen chevrolet chevrolet tahoe is at a total cost of one hundred two thousand seven hundred forty seven from version chevrolet to be utilized by the public safety police division with funding to be taken from the centralized vehicle equipment on item twelve eve four point two two accept the october two thousand and fifteen monthly financial report as presented i'm twenty four point three two accept the quarter you investment report for the first quarter of the current fiscal year july to september two thousand and fifteen as presented item twelve eve four point four to declare a surplus periods items no longer utilized by the technology services department and to authorize staff to dispose of said items i am twelve four point five to declare as surplus a hammond organ baby grand piano no longer utilized at the civic center and to dispose of accordingly i am twelve easy four point six to declare plus various and clean bicycles with donations to be made to seventy times and to list property room dot com for disposal and sale item twelve east six point two and item twelve a six point three two approve the residential sidewalk variance request for nine thirty five east tenth street in two eighty four to ninety in two ninety six east eighteenth street with conditions as noted and twelve east six point four to approve the cancellation of the nov twenty five thank you and i saw in that list there maybe is something that you would like us to talk about and take it off consent if that is the case you're welcome to come up to the podium give us your name and the item you would like to take an o seeing man is anyone i'm counsel wanting to take something off right well the one point t the budget amendment adjustment to when the island gardens anything else long time he has a history degree a bachelor's degree and a masters degree in public administration from grand valley we've tasked matt with many duties of the utmost importance and those include implementing our new newly  implemented strategic plan and our interpretive plan all of those things included a bunch of different items but they include landscaping new programming ideas including and expanding our heritage and is probably a lot of us want to see more people come to the island so matt is going to be tasked with how does he get more people to come to that island come to the island more than once and stay in and visit and check it out so we're very excited to have matt here and matt like this to a couple words i really appreciate the opportunity to be here both tonight and to work for the city hall and i'm a native of west michigan and this the city has a lot of importance for me and obviously for our heritage in this area i actually became engaged on the deck of the windmill so i think that was my trump card to getting the job but to my wife happy that i'm here but it's just an awesome place i was just just talking and saying  it's better than coming to an office park every morning to get to drive to holland see the women see it turning is great after a couple years but i was very excited by the business plan and the challenge as we heard we had a very good year last year which is good but as well it's very it will be challenging meant to to keep that increase and i'm really looking forward to doing that it's been a great couple weeks meeting with a lot of the community members and leaders to see how we can continue to really appreciate this asset as well right to the listeners and yes we had another successful summer and i say we because it takes a lot of teamwork you accomplish what you're about ready to see in terms of the video of course some of you here were part of that initial team you are aware of what we will be showing to prospective employers and  it's about four minutes long and as i said we'll be showing this in various venues the chamber of commerce i'm pleased to say has a skewed up for their breakfast in march and chief messer and willie watts and myself will be part of that program so those at home listening to this who think that they want to be part of this program please contact you wearing green she knows her visitors are getting the best experience they pace themselves to get things accomplished i'm running out of things to do you know how wonderful that it they were focused they were organized they got it for the job quickly gave a great  and when you die to a young person if the comparison is self explanatory it's going to change their lives it's going to give them a purpose these kids are hard worker so thank you of course to our communications team who helped make that possible and to all the employers i believe twenty four total that made that possible and the dozens of donors who provided what amounted to less than a half of the funding this year because the employers see the return on investment i wonder madam mayor whether mr willie watts can make any remarks that would be great to have something to say really first of all an american council thank you so much for the opportunity to be bespeak and also for the opportunity to be a part of this collaboration this partnership that we have shared in the last three years understand that this program alone has changed the face of this community in a sense where kids and kids parents didn't feel like they was a part of this community because their kids wouldn't give an opportunity to work we hear about the gang crime and it escalated at a point in time but this job program has dropped the crime rate by seventy six percent just this year was announced that the juvenile detention has seen the less amount of kids going into the juvenile detention center because of this program we actually wanted to the juvenile detention center grab some kids and have them working not to help pay off their fines so they won't return to jail to juvenile detention it has actually done a great service for the kids in this community that now feels like they are part of it and i would like to thank you from the bottom my heart and this gave ministry for the been able to be a part of this i just want to give you some number so you can understand the impact that this has made actually a hundred and seventy six kids went through the program one hundred seventy six over three hundred forty seven kids apply for the jobs it is growing each and every year over sixty percent of the kids have perfect attendance for ten weeks sixty percent these are these are at risk together in a partnership along with that one hundred thirty five kids finish the program now i stated that forty one hundred seventy six kids went through the went through the program forty one of them actually we got into school sports because we know sports in school plays another big part in a portion of mentoring so a lot of our kids we got into the sports and so that shows you they can pack that its head has made run and stated that we have over twenty four jobs and over forty eight percent of our kids continue work afterwards that means they had job opportunities way to form at the college of connection so now the kids that was going to be on the street is now actually working and still working today right now they're still out of the forty eight percent hundred of them are still working today now these are called throwaway kids at risk kids troublemakers in a community that has now taken opportunity to change their life because of this program so this partnership will need to continue i pray that we continue to work hard together to get more companies and more people see exactly the impact that this can make on a community and i understand that now many cities are looking at harlem and one is done for the crime rate here i've been asked to go to chicago we just started a job program and chicago to be starting up this summer and westside chicago illinois flint has asked for this program graham rap as i started this program last summer sagen on and three other cities ben harbor and why jack mishawr also be starting a similar program like this because of the impact that this program has made in this community so once again thank you so much for this opportunity and it was a blessing for us to be a part of it as well and many of the kids want to say thank you all so thank you really it's hard to have the words to respond to a noble effort like that and not like changing activities to give students dignity purpose and hope and to work alongside adults that treat them like colleagues have them to feel that they can learn and be a part of the adult world and and not have to fight while that is such a massive difference and everyone that changes affects the whole circle around them and that grows well yes and that is how you change the world by starting a little program and howling to michigan thank you so much anyone else thank you now we're going to have a public hearing for the disposal of city property if anyone has come here to make a statement about that you are welcome to come to the podium give us your name and address and you could have five minutes decades it was used by the police department for his firing range as shooting from north to south it also is adjacent to the property which is affiliated of course with the fraternal order places is what that manager has looked into this and worked with the city attorney and also a realtor to see what would be the best approach so what you have before you is a recommendation that fall into the public hearing that this property be considered so plus it's four has occurred which which has been the case for the last thirty days so the recommendation by the way the city pays taxes on this property so that that would be a small savings should it no longer be held since we are no into the city's property as well as to the  airport basically reconstruction of about a quarter mile of road that is regent boulevard and we finalized all the costs associated with that project with the contractor assessment rules p v three one two and p v three one two a and that the prop asked have the option of paying the assessment spread out over a ten year period right thank you now we're coming to public comment this is a time land anyone may come to the podium and speak about anything that is not on the agenda so if there's something you would like to speak about come forward give us your name address and you have five minutes there and david from playing will the democratic candidate for house district me what your what your needs are that legislators can help with the bill and i have business cards here that have me contact information to be happy to get together with anybody from lunch or dinner whenever i grew up in kalamazoo was born there of public schools for thirteen years to a western michigan university went on from there to herbert law school and gradually made my way up to portland oregon which is where i had my life and career for thirty six years until a retired when i was very interested in presentation tonight about the experiences here i became a judge in portland oregon was a trial judge for fourteen years and i'm continuing problems as to what to do with at risk kids said to me or change the world from small steps and small places perhaps and since i'm in holland i might let you know that my father's parents both a thank you thank you for billing being willing to run and seeing anyone else your request for the sale of alcohol at the civic center is going to help us with that of the city attorney's office has a single report this evening dealing with a ordinance amendment that has been attached to the council report as a matter of background councils where the fact that through july thirty one of this year  we had an ordinance that allowed the serving of beer and wine at the civic center for events that went through a scheduling then venting process through the city manager's office and the civic center  that ordinance had a sunset provision and that so as of july thirty one of two thousand and fifteen that ordinance terminated there's been discussion from time to time by the council of trying to continue that program there hasn't been a decision made we have to advance that are currently before the civic center leadership requesting the set of the serving no beer and wine at an event those events are at the end of december and there's also one that would be in early february i think december thirty one and february twenty seventh and usual ordinance tonight because usually we come before the now some of the very specific ordinance amendment sunset of the prior ordinance which means that beer and wine cannot be served for an event at the civic center a second option would be to move to place the ordinance out for first reading and putting in the blank that has been inserted in the organization january one two thousand and sixteen day that would accommodate the activity on december thirty one and the third option would be to insert the date of march one of two thousand and sixteen which would allow to be accounted ation of the december third one date and the feb twenty  discussion i don't know why we keep sunsetting this one of their seriously seems a demand and i think it be prudent for us to really during this time between now and march first examine what we need to do to make this policy a permanent part of that that function at civic center we seem to be seeing these events more often they're there and we get more requests and i know to a time that wants to use this in the same capacity and i think again it would be prudent for us to examine that been suspended when we started talking about the possibility of the civic center and what it was going to look like and what its purpose is we're going to have to become i'm guessing there but that's probably what caused us to take a bit of a hiatus from this i think also that our progress on the design of the civic center and what its intents and purposes will be discovered in fleshed out in vision that this issue is going to become part of our soul that intention you know whether it's going to be a wedding reception know some sort  will be revisiting this again city sponsored activity to raise funds and i think that is another part of the issue that we need to think about so i don't think it's quite as clear but perhaps with the renovation of the civic we need to we need to talk about it more come up with some kind of policy so we don't have to stop start and rearrange and have blanks in our policies thank you randi though for having it like that so i think ready for  ryan is trying to help us with that the city in order to proceed with the project is one working in there right away permit for basically setting the new pipe underneath rights namely south  is a big item and i'm happy to discuss that further and then this other piece of it with regard to the occupation in light of the compressed time frame here we'd like to approach that a two step process the first step in that process would be entering into a revokable license agreement for very short duration with the idea that a franchise agreement would be put in place during that during that time th revoke revokable license is in effect so i guess in summary that's kind of the the general items with regard to this particular recommendation but having to talk about specifics so talks working through that process ok and i think we'll certainly you know make that adjustment that that be a shorter timeframe there for the for the sixty versus the ninety to get that franchise in place thing there if that's correct sixty decibels during those hours i'm comfortable that yes and if i can just comment on that so i did talk with you over a pipeline specifically about the noise and in the hours and they're in agreement with that moving forward so that is going to become a condition of the permit so if they violate that then we you know we can certainly revoke that permit at the quite so they're well aware of the noise requirement here  know what they might be expecting during the construction yes so i do believe they're going to erect sound barriers right out of the gate which i think will well help control noise even during the daytime hours but they may need to enhance those to get down to the levels that we're talking about if they do go into some kind of a night operation so and they're aware that time did you question you know i can certainly have discussions with them about the concerns that are raised tonight that just to try and make them aware of the concerns as we approach those nighttime hours in particular the they did talk about yes yes yes thank you now we have the parks and rec services approval of the budget adjustment and then you have a second motion then to approve the recommendation th the city would pay half which is twenty nine thousand dollars ensure that with how and treasure township as you may recall we have looked at multiple pathways to get across the river i'm a mouse here we have few options this is the most westerly you route where my marker is the center route is the one that we're talking about tonight and we looked at one of the far east end of the current request tonight revolves around the highlighted area in the center portion of disappeared that's the center bridge right here originally this was the path that we had looked at when we apply for a grant about a year and a half ago and it's the most desired route the shortest bridge the least amount of boardwalk and it's one of the safer routes of among the three we weren't able to get an agreement to get on that property to study the property to get surveys so we looked at multiple other routes and no westerly route was the one that we landed on that route as you also may recall is the most expensive route that we have examined it was ultimately the only option up until about a week and a half ago  f recent date on the blue route in the center has become a possibility for us to study and survey so that's what we're asking for tonight it'll involve some additional soul soil borings some river cross section work and some other be more developed that being said however i think we need to look at not just this particular lorien of for this opportunity to put a bridge in here but i think when you look at the next step and with the cost of the greater project and i think we need to look at cost versus benefit is this going to be a bridge of convenience that's located behind a meat packing plant on the north side is it going to be adding to the aesthetics of windmill island is this where we want to spend additional legacy the legacy funds came from the selln of the stadium to college and he's a pretty protected funds in my mind we need to perhaps you for the benefit of more people than just people who want to cross to the north side to walk their dog there or jog or whatever because there's a real question there there's a question of security for the windmill island if we open this up  right now it's somewhat difficult to get there it's protected safety people can check it close up pretty easily we put a bridge there it's going to change the the atmosphere of th safety is concerned and i think there's also something about the mystique of the windmill where it's at right now the way you get there into and certainly walt disney knew how to do that he brought in you make a path to where you want to go to where it is you make it somewhat easy to get to because it becomes the chant and i think that we've also had past boreen in that particular you talk about legacy funds i think this is a legacy that when bill has been a legacy here for better than fifty years this is been a co op collaborative effort between the private the townships in the city i don't know what better area to be able to spend this money and invite more people in i've heard many many times that nobody's ever going to walk on the sidewalk nobody's ever going to go here nobody's ever going to go there twenty four street they laughed at us it's one of the bigger used  sidewalks now between country club and waverly i don't want to be corny and say if you build a dot com but if you build it they will come this is not only allowing access for more visitors to get to windmill island but it's also a health and welfare issue as far as i'm concerned it's going to be used as an exercise trail we've got some very beautiful lands going through there know we've got some questionable areas i guess if you will but why not open it up we're trying to be an inclusive community what a better way to do it and invite people th windmill invite people to get over there and make it more attractive and easier for people to get to it we know we've got a gem of the rough here let's open it up and make it more sensible and in this in the meantime get some more exercise i understand it's a little any that's applied not going to not going to shy away from that we've talked about a lot of things for a lot of times civic center is a great point this is been under discussion for an awful long time it's time to put it to bed it's time to put the bridge across it's time to be done with  else i would say connections are important connecting people connecting the township in the city is an important gesture if we put a restaurant out there we'll get a customer base that will come from in our side as well as from the south side who knows how many more people will be able to benefit from windmill island gardens it'll be a perfect five k when you start at one end and go all the way around that cross the bridge back over that's pretty cool at the fact that we have our best location back on the table is very exciting so it becomes much more financially feasible and that yes white man no extra yes madam mayor yes motion past six yes to no ok now we are down to kiss that wonderful section of the tent city manager's office is pleased to report the following guests parks and recreation receive various gifts for the digraph nature center land improvements from in the amount of one thousand dollars digraph new jersey center also received for land improvement and brick donations from marilyn norman in the amount of one hundred dollars and betty damon the amount of one hundred dollars to gra volleyball operating supplies parks and recreation improvements in the lake view city park was received received a donation in the amount of five thousand dollars from robert j and maryland dykstra through the community foundation of kevin randolph in the amount of two thousand one hundred fifty dollars public safety services fire operations received a donation in the amount of fifty dollars from new house company  support they ask them those are wonderful gifts wonderful gestures for parks for help and kids that don't have opportunities to ok now we are down to communications from the city manager mr caton thank you madam mayor i have four items tonight one just want to let the community know the civic center place steering committee is is moving forward and their first step is to tour the civic center so that's monday on november twenty third and that's next monday and that's at seven o'clock and it's a public meeting so certainly all are welcome second  council talk a little bit about the possibility of doing having some presentations from boards and commissions and there's a huge charge me to write a report and get you some kind of recommended plan in the meantime the downtown director and myself were talking today and it would be meaningful to have a public so you me the principal shopping u d a team up and be that first report it's very timely given opportunities that they're exploring and i think that you would be interested in hearing about so that would be december ninth if there is no objection and i think we'll just put that on the study session agenda for that night next many of you for to spit in the georgetown university energy prize and trying to help people save money at the same time and there's been some door to door campaign activity i think we're up around seven hundred homes have been contacted in this saturday we have ho college volunteers as well as another have to as of volunteers that i know are going to be coming to assess there's a home owners have been advised we might be knocking on their doors so if for some reason we do so well that we end up kno five percent so just wanted to clear the record thank you thank you and thank you communications from the mayor we have an appointment to the civic center place steering committee we had added joe silver who's been a part of the last of the senate committee and he's been a part of parks and rec and certainly one of the most passionate people i know about the civic center and so we would like to had him to the committee as well is changing and mean wendy link will be a part of the civic center committee in lieu of cellular kuyt this because of the surgery that she had and also other commitments that she needs to take care of and wendy is a one that is actually involved in scheduling conferences and therefore would be one with the personal connection to people that are looking for that type of facility so carries and so we would we this is the time of year that's a little later than usual but this is when we are going to talk about the city managers evaluation yes it is a little bit later and we will make up for that next year you know just have a short contract that's all there is to i'm i'm very happy to say that we had a very favorable outcome with the with the survey this year we did do it just slightly different we extended it from not only the nine council members of time but also red council members at the time but also to a nine or ten city leadership team members just to give a little three sixty approach to it some interesting outcomes not anything too surprising but i also want to thank the brotherhood brother peters here for serving on the committee with myself a number of meetings that we had trying to compile information mr peters was very very instrumental in putting the review together thank you very much you know just in a nutshell i'm not going to read the whole improvement very happy to say that seventy seventy five percent of all indications were high performance above or high performance so something that we've known working on our side of the fence of the day is that whichever their time flies when you're having fun is first he walked into a kind of a touchy situation with their economic times that we had handled that with the grace got us out of those  and he will be the first to admit that he did not do that alone he helped bring on different staff members to help soften that we had to cut down on how we lost sixty five people in the process through necessity but we are in a much better place now because of the city's just as strong as it ever was we're going to be able to move forward from this point and it's just a lot of things that came up and he i don't think they're surprised again not surprising to us at all so the recommendation that i have met a mayor is that this will be the third i believe this is a four year agreement this is the third amendment to that which will compensate which is part of the public record would compensate the two percent increase there is a right adjustment to the retirement plan mr cotton has elected  differential in his p t o time vehicle arms will stay the same and it is our recommendation from the committee that the city attorney finalize the agreement it is signed whom you know are countable to you but you you keep them in line and you kept this on the right path during troubled times and now during these times that we're going into that are ope highland city form of government nice he really of the city is our city manager and he is the only employee of the city council this is not an easy position to have eight or nine buses and three hundred so employees and thirty four thousand people to please and that is a very heavy mantle to carry now we have really appreciated ryan's ability to work katz tele i think before you could get yourself a little more time off but very hard worker very willing to try new ideas maintains a gentle demeanor through whatever is happening and we really appreciate you helping us sometimes that were very very hard and we could have had a lot more damage have a personality and a broken team and instead we really have a very strong team and we have a great in place in the city  they're all team players and that really has made the difference in the highland we have today so we're very grateful for your leadership right now and for all the people that work for you as well thank and maybe more and i think the community for their support to great we're in the month the thanksgiving which is often a holiday that just gets going to happen over and selling something christmas and  but it is something that we really need to stop and think about and so i as well as mayor i would encourage everybody to have a great thanksgiving schedule time with family and make some special memories and i treasure the time that you have here you know we never know how much time we have and it's really great to push the pause button and to be grateful thankful for each other and for the wonderful place we can call home and the family that that we have been entrusted with as well we are open for business twenty four seven on line you can go to city of holland dot com and find the answers to your questions you can contact any one of us we're also listed there and you can call the mayor's office head three five five thirteen eleven and we can work out a time to talk if you would like to i would be great and now we also have to go on to communications yes i give thanks for a good team thank you ok now we have communications from council member a hand just a couple of things first of all what glee if you've driven around town at all you've noticed some diminishing returns and those being those orange  barrels from the major construction that we had so i want to personally thank brian white for shepherding all that i'm surprised he's even here tonight with everything that he had going on this was a very exceptional year with all the projects that we had going on and he street central avenue and everything else that went on the day to day basis so hats off to him hats off to the citizens for the patience drove that eight street situation just about four times a day and when the barrels came down on saturday i do couple of times and said thank you lord that they're  gone and not to diminish that at all but just look for next summer when more of this will happen in that same area so thank you brian for that thank you for the citizens for their patience and he looks beautiful and the fact that the infrastructure underneath there is even going to make it better yet second of all if you hadn't been around last weekend prior to last weekend we had some  pretty strong winds in the area and typically strong winds and electric overhead lines don't play well together but i will have to say that hats off also to the b b w they've costumers here tonight we fared very very well in that storm of two days of summer of competitors from the investor owns in areas couldn't say as well but we had no major outages no circuit trips maybe a program the integrity of the system we are second to none in the state and i can't say that enough so thank you for that one little one last thing speaking of wind and leaves the end of fall cleanup putting things out on the curb was this past sunday or saturday i guess the fourteenth so the city or the city crews will make one last pas hopefully before the snow flies which is supposed to be coming this weekend so no more again leaves only because of the equipment that we have to put up with so that's all done until next spring and then you can established or whatever the choice of council is so do i have any nominations for mayor pro tem yes smarr i'd like to nominate my colleague brian birch as second ok any other nomination that we observe in this community and i'm also an old enough union guy to appreciate seniority own things are going to change on this council more and that's a good thing we should have a new and different points of view and new input but there's also a place for continuity for institutional wisdom or i'm thinking of this movie i saw the other day  the indians are sitting around with a cheapie in the white guy that they captured was in there too and all the young braves were saying you know we need to offer the white guy because it would be a good thing to do have he you know the store horses or did something but there was a video of the older members of the tribe of the council that's out there and said well let's take a step back let's wait a minute let's check this out there's a place for  that i think there's a place for that of this council i say all of this in support of my they're not to the detriment of everybody else but as we continue forward as we change i think there's a place for somebody who has a knowledge of the history of this council the knowledge of this community and i think that's valuable at this point in time maybe take some appreciate that the tradition and if i was voting for a historian tonight that's what i would i would say yes to that's that you are the guy that i would roll our pro tem role is more than a historian it's more than tradition it's it's in essence the second in leadership should our mayor away acetate it whatever it may be in between the balance of historian and tradition is  also forward looking is well not to say that mike's not a ford looking guy but i believe strongly that bryan birch in his time on this council has consistently shown looking in the future envisioning a how and for future generations as ability to be philosophical to look at things clearly a deep understanding of issues he's forward thinking he's willing to try new things that brings us to the vote end of the nomination wonderful do we need a roll call for that or anything yes yes  so in that regard i believe it would be useful to do who many people are we have december second on their calendar that this item still be on the agenda for discussion but no action on december second is whether or not the council would be inclined to take their habits at the informational meeting for purposes of public hearings that we don't you know create a situation where they have to come again ok so we'll notify people but in case people come in the second which is what they are expecting we really need a motion to oh ok that that we would transfer their comments from the december second meeting to the first