out on the sofa next to somebody and it can cause a pretty horrific injury and the court next day said that there's no need to do that sort of thing unless there is something which you have some specific information but there's no in your risk of harm and i think that officers were present at this particular incident and i don't see again or gaping hole or anything of all there is no denying that the door was free and the officers all admitted the door was rammed the ramp was used after been used the ramp and he explained how we use the ramp he used there am because the door was locked no one opened the door they never saw saw the door now open they never saw dayli testified in the trial that we are he graham said he aims for one particular spot and i have no idea the door could have then not just let security or not heavy door he's as he testified every door is different but he did admit that door and that door open now hear the testimony of the individuals inside that house differ first the door is unlocked then we have the  door being open to the engine and seeing someone that's what the injured party in this case as though she is behind the door then she's able to see when she opens the door standing to see some light and the officers are asked that the officer with the shield prochaska set if that door was open she wouldn't be seeing an officer she'd be seeing the shield because as soon as that door knob opens as soon as the door starts to be open the rain amazon of the way and i jump in to protect my other officers i'm the one who takes that yet meaning they don't know what the hit is being done it could be whatever but the shield steps in you're not seeing faces you're saying she made it two seconds over to the door and was able to open this again the trial judge found that it was incredible it was incredible the officers not denounced and waited at least ten seconds during that t individual a male stand up and make eye contact with the police and go to the back of the house but still still all four testified and they were consistent that they made it ten seconds before they rammed that door before they went end again not knowing who else was inside that house not knowing that that may have been the only individual in that house they didn't see or they cheat didn't yell out they didn't see the son he didn't yell out no one said a word no the door by the door knob to open up that door made it very no you didn't but he didn't break the door now he opened the door and was she behind the door she hadn't mom i'm sure she was injured she they found her on the floor when they opened up why she was behind the door we don't know we can't you know she was but she was behind the door she would have been behind the door if they opened the door because she didn't say anything she didn't say  the door i'm coming to open the door i'm here there's people inside the house she was in the you know if the door was open et that's if you put her behind the door and the door was unlocked the nape went in and i'm going to open the door like you or i do going standing in such a way that she could see outside when the door was open but the officers testified that they lined out in the staff they not they announced and they waited ten seconds not excessive force when a door is locked and her keys around not excessive at all in the trial judge found that their behavior they're waiting are there should take their actions of waiting those ten seconds prior to using the ram is consistent with  other cases where the officer is not going announce and know that the door is locked and no one has responded to open out the door in this particular case so the there were four officers left in this trial and awful work testified that they were very consistent in the steps and the procedures they take when they come to these raids and officer bindy didn't testify the one who had the but it is so impossible that such an cartwell did not that he forgot to do that is that was his job my job as the gray of my job to show that's like saying i did the show but i forgot my shield you know back in the in the squad they're going to happen in the they show up and do a job in the each have a particular job to do in this stat when that their position then and the other officers also testified that these are the steps take knock announced check because if your door is open they are going to go in and every single once that if the doors unlocked we're going to go in and it's not going to be the ram first it's going to be the shield the door is going to be open and side and prohaska sat at that door's open and cardwell or whoever is checking an unlocked door opens that door to go with it i'm right there that even the person who opens the door well is not going in i'm going in first and that's what they're shield is going in and that in this particular case the knock and announce the door was checked and the ram was used once the ram was used then he said i steps out again for hospice that i go in my focus is again to go in and they all said then they saw her behind the i'm floor and did they know she was behind the door so making these assumptions that they had to know they should have known i don't know how they could know they didn't see her act on the scene and as the trial judge said judge that twenty twenty so not hindsight not saying oh i should've known or that's how i should have perceived it back when i was standing there not at all not at all they didn't they didn't know where she was and so it was it excessive force not excessive force not excessive force using a ram is not excessive yes this woman was behind the door yes they do work it but it was an excess and for those officers to use that ramp to get into this particular house again would it have been easier for the individuals inside the house just to open up the door of course why they didn't  don't know would have been easier for them to get a lot coming out of the door you know are going to open at people inside it would have been with them and the officers all testify that even though individuals say that sometimes they don't up the door and they know there's people in there but they still have to use their brain because the door's locked so these officers who all testified that this was something first rate this was in their first rate they talked about hundreds in the talk about  hundreds of raids and using the brain so they each have a job and that job was done and at the end of the day that door if you ran not announce check the door to see if it was open and there really had to be used because the door was locked these are some actions to say that we assumed that we assumed that the door was open we assumed that it was out because she because the dead the plaintiff said that i saw sunlight again these are all assumptions based on someone who the trial judge that did not have credible testimony so again the officers there to do it jo stood in front of that door in what they call the positioning that is normal for stack am now announce open the door and let me inside and for those reasons your honor we argue that  excessive it was not excessive force the actions of all four of these officers each one individual together did not rice a lot of excessive force they were doing their job and they each had a job to do and on that particular i chose not to i chose the boss testimony because i knew the wasn't disclosed me and there was one of the decision that i made it's run in so what we have all these other circumstantial evidence that shows if the door was locked it would the assume anything other than the fact that she would be getting up to open the door in and in you know in clearly she was in france grab the first thing that he saw her as she's laying down on the floor so