training yes and you're located in hickory pennsylvania yes and you're training horses i don't know a lot about horses i've had some used to ride quarter horses when i was young ok fall off all of that happened first time tell us how did you get involved in horses and no one in my family had been involved with horses and about age ten i thought i would like to take some riding lessons so my parents indulged me and thought perhaps it was a sad face he would do it and grow out of it and that was thirty six years ago so i did not it became quite a passion that i stuck with my entire life and now enjoy sharing with other people so if you start off on a pony then graduate of not necessarily the little girl with this huge mass yeah animal ponies tend to be a little bit ornery ok and horses tend to be a little bit more mellow and compliant and willing so most of the time you start on a on a horse or a larger pony so are these quarter horses that you were on or there was a variety of breeds not necessarily is one breed suitable more suitable than another what we're looking for the boat yes yes so when you're first taking lessons we want to horse who knows all of the basic commands and then you teach the rider how to cue the horse for those basic commands so do you apprentice with someone to learn how to train a horse or other i was orginally there isn't a school to do that near here it's mostly trial and error a lot of times when you're a child or or a kid a young a young kid you will you will find that you you kind of try things out see what works and what doesn't work and then as you get older you kind of refine your skills  very beautiful and it's thirty six acres there are fourteen pastures which allows for individualized turnout for the horses we have a very large indoor arena it's two hundred feet by eighty feet so regardless of the weather you're right  running yes nice we also have an outdoor arena that is a believe it's one twenty by eighty so it's a good size also and you're boarding horses there as well yes we board orses and we do training and we do lessons for children and adults so you don't have to own a horse to go on i don't know or snow come on out we have eight to ten left and horses available for riders of different skill levels and throughout the show we will have the web site up in the phone number  so that you can contact tammy and schedule that i think is it so elegant to be riding a horse in the beginning if it's not no or no the goal is to look like you're not really trying very hard and to really not have the cues be obvious you make it look easy so is their new developer relationship with the horse absolutely so as a trainer you kind of developing relations with every horse that you chain always yes every course has a different personality much like dogs right if you if you say take the time to observe them you will definitely see personalities that are more dominant less dominant more aggressive more afraid more self walk up to a horse and assess that personally pretty most of the time yes if it is by the movements of the horse it is their interaction with me whether they are suspicious of me at first whether they are pushy too pushy the name came from yes so if i walk into a herd of horses i want them to to back up and to take notice of my presence and to respect my space so when a horse invades my space upon first meeting i know that that horse does is not respectful of me i live among small horse farms three five they are horse farms so i ride my bike often through these this area and i'll see horses too in little experience with horses i see that and fact one day i saw another couple hop up their bikes and walk through the horses and the horses just were loving it yes should i be feeding a horse anything when i approach it you really  shouldn't horses have very delicate digestive system so feeding a horse when you don't really know what that horse needs what it shouldn't have is not usually a good idea so they'd have a mostly h grass there are a commercially made feeds that we feed also for vitamins and minerals and they're always trying to back islands their delicate digestive system because we have taken a basically wild animal that is used to roaming and foraging on a regular basis sixteen to eighteen hours a day a horse forage is in the wild they're picking through grasses and we and things like that well now we've taken them and we've confined them to a stall even if your stall is nice and roomy like ours are twelve by twelve feet that's not a curse so we can find them to a small space we put them on a regimented schedule that suits us really feed them things that they wouldn't normally have in the wild they don't have grain available in the wild so you have to really pay attention to how you're feeding them and what you're feeding them so that thing i see where somebody ok it's not a bad thing to feed them carrots or to give them treats but as a general rule there are other safety issues with that they can easily take off a piece of your finger if you're not in their health ultimately but it makes us feel good may not be the best for them and my sister beverly beverly all and i was at the farm and she told me how extraordinary the stables are even with an automatic it was automatically automatic waters there heated for the winter so the horse always has access to fresh clean water is very important as to how many people would you have can you accommodate on the farm at one time with training are fifty three stalls we would like to get to a point where we are at about thirty five horses so that we have some extra stalls available for things like when people go on vacation people who own their own horses it's hard for them to go on vacation and find somebody to watch their horses for them so a service that we're going to offer is allowing them to bring the horses to our stables while they go on vacation we'll watch them much like a horse like a dog goes to a boarding kennel we have fourteen panics so we can turn them out privately to keep them away from the other horses and nobody gets hurt doesn't it doesn't that they don't have to be integrated into the herd and then for a week you can you know i'm a cation and know that they're being well taken care so they do herd much like dogs do yes and so one day where there's one dominant horse all the time usually there's one yeah and he kind of has a backup guy sometimes  so when they become a little bit of grass aggressive what you have to watch out for aggressive with other horses you mean horses or people here with other horses we try to keep our herd small meaning anywhere from four to six horses  large herd fifteen eighteen horses seem to be more stressed out in a larger herd situation where they have to figure out their place in a four to six herd situation they can work out their differences they're more accepting of that one herd boss and the rest just fall into line so we try to cater to keeping the herd small to keep the stress on the horse lower their biggest defenses kicking running running run the run run run yes we're there over a animal so when something scares them millions of years of instinct kicks in running for your life even if it's a plastic bag on the ground they don't that they see it it's a threat and before they don't stand in process they can't logically say oh that's only a plastic battery they say that's something that could kill me i'm outta here i'll look at it from over there so so accidental you get run over stand some time yes so what we try to do in training horses is to the best of our ability override that instinct when it comes up that way sometimes i see the horses with the blinders on race horses and cart horses horses have incredible peripheral vision they can see almost all the way back to behind their tails and then there's a blind spot directly in front of them so by putting the blinders on or sometimes they're called blinkers it cuts down on on all of president but it just seems to me that would be very very expensive on a horse it can be i mean it's the purchase price of the horses usually the cheapest part is that right yes the proverbial free or so it's not free the second you take it off the trailer and start feeding it to our board is five hundred fifty dollars a month that's for food or board and also offer the option to half lease some of our lesson horses so it gives you the opportunity to have the horse ownership experience without taking on the ritual or ability yet to kind of get a feel for whether or not that's something that you want to do because i know everybody i know that's has had horses are just totally in love with horses and their life centers around yes around that horse yes it is a passion for most horse and then getting up and taking the horse out and food in the horse and walking the streets degrees they still want  christmas day said every day so it you enable someone to own a horse but still have a life yes that is our primary job we will take care of the horse on days that you can't make it to the barn you have to work holidays when you're sick whatever it is your horse will still be taken care of at our stable for free yes kevin we're going to take a little break here a second well we'll be back live in a few minutes here with i was this way and i know my sister was this way we always wanted to be around the horse or we're going to have a horse or one a pony right as a child is that a good idea i mean i did get my way i think it was but it can be a good idea  focus on safety around horses first so if some one has not been around a horse and doesn't realize that it can be a little bit dangerous just because of their sheer size normally they're not aggressive but they can accidentally hurt you and just their size can make that injury more more severe so how does a child approach a horse and how do i approach a horse we teach everybody the same regardless of their age so the very first thing we start to explain is like i told you their vision where can they see you so they need to be able to see you and they want to keep an eye on where you are you'll see a lot of times their ears moving in the direction of where you're located we teach them how to safely approach a horse it's not usually head on because again that's their blind spot so from a little bit on the side towards their shoulder most horses don't really like you walking up and placing your hands right on their face so like everybody always goes up to a dog and puts the back of the hand to the right that's like ridiculous it is like that happened so you wouldn't go up to a horse and do the same thing no we like you to walk up to the more the side of the horse the neck and shoulder area and reach up and offer a stroke instead of a patter a slap that's threatening yes they don't really have a great sense of smell very good very good sense of smell they rely on an eye sight a lot and hearing so you don't necessarily want to be quiet when you're around a horse you don't want to be overly quiet because the horse perceives that as sneaky and as a prey animal what does a predator do its down and its needs up on you so as a human who is naturally a predator animal approaching a prey animal you have to be more friendly in your approach talk normally stroke the horse approach it where it's comfortable in that trained can tolerate that kind of thing like our lesson horses are used to children running up to them they're not going to flee they're not going to do any sort of defensive behavior towards the child but the child needs to know for its own safety that that's not an appropriate way to approach a horse and we focus probably the first two to three lessons with a brand new student of any age who is not familiar with horses we spend a lot of time with with safety how to pass safely behind a horse that's a dangerous spot so just making sure that you can keep yourself safe when you're close so there's a distance that you want to be so for b you actually want to be closer closer yes so much like taking some of the mustard off of a punch if you're in close if the horse does decide to kick you you're not getting the full brunt of that kick and the full power behind the kick if you stay close and touching the horse from one side of its rear end to the other side the horse has it can feel where you are it can hear where you are and you're close enough that if anything happens that motion has has a  it is very young what we try to do is we need the child to have a pretty good attention span because a little bit of danger involved i need the child to be able to pay attention and follow instructions so some five year olds are very good with that sometimes it takes until six or seven before i can get their attention for a long period of time and there are some four year olds that are able to follow instructions and some kids are totally afraid of those animals and some are just absolutely in love with them yes and i was telling tami that where i live people write up on their horses and tie them off and go and get a cup of coffee i wish that was more like it and my niece and her husband and my great niece i was slow we that but come on over so how long is the average lesson the average lesson is about an hour for the first fifteen minutes and that hour weeks we focus on learning about the horse learning the the proper names of the parts of the horse how to groom the horse how to properly tack the horse just horse behavior in general safety of course then there's twenty to thirty minutes of actual riding where you learn how to control the horse from on  it and then the last fifteen or so minutes we learn how to take care of the horse was the word the cool down in the brushing and watering on the season a bath or turn back out in the field totally involved in the experience of learning yes we're not we're not a pony ride don't come and ride for a whole hour we want you to actually learn about the animal and its care and its wellbeing and your safety and really want you to become a horse person so you can come and learn for one lesson or ten lessons or twenty lessons or whatever yes so if i if i bought a horse how do we just get a hold of you and say i want to board my horse and then you want to know the whole kind of hoping that you get ahold of me before that ok good i go that we can make sure that we know what kind of horse is going to be appropriate for your skill level i do offer a service where i go out with people who are looking at horses looking to buy horses i will go and evaluate the horse for them what does it know what  it not know what is its tolerance level its patience level its propensity for bucking arrear inger anything that's going to maybe her you or is beyond your skill level and then when we find the right horse time between seven or eight in the morning at nine or ten at night we have a tenant on the farm who is there to just kind of make sure things are ok with the horses overnight that's a nice feature sure but we're pretty open with  nice health is always an issue for people and for animals yes and today with all the attacks that we're having and all the chemicals on the poison how do we keep our horse healthy it's an ongoing process and it starts with understanding the the basics of horse health what is again proper digestive system proper feeding and also mentally what's good for the horse plus the exercise ye right i love it they love to get out and do something so we don't we don't advocate keeping a horse in a stall twenty four hours a day needs to go out needs to roll in the grass needs to feel the sun on its back needs to needs to have some of those little tussle fights in the field because that's fun for them and the riding part as long as you have a good relationship with the horse and it's you know something that the horse enjoys absolutely like it's a physical thing and a mental thing for the horse yes and for the  riders well and for the rider riding is very physical even though it looks like you're only sitting there on the horse does all the work which i hear all the time that is not actually the case there is a lot of course strength that goes on with horseback riding keeping your balance on something that is moving and then using your arms and your legs to cue the horse and steer the horse to physical activity and you have to be trained to do that you just i think to really know how to write up on a horse and through the stirrup that's always a danger so the little bit of a heel one inch to two inches to keep it from going through the stirrup is very important we were quire all of our riders under the age of eighteen to wear helmet at all  that's probably the most important piece of safety gear and other than that blue jeans are fine there are specific riding pants that are more comfortable for riding because they don't pinch your binders new seems that sort of thing the attire more blue jeans and boots for western english breeches riding pants in the taller boots and then just a little bit different so it's totally yeah we teach both yeah  off and i was literally holding on to the main yes and writing like that as i was trying to as i was screaming for someone to come and help because i couldn't stop that horse you know and it was it would have probably been a funny scene on you tube today  but but that's a scary experience but if you if you have a student who has that experience whether it was before they came to me or hopefully no one during because like i said we  conscious that can deter somebody from pursuing this passion and it shouldn't be that way we're going to try to teach you to not get yourself into that situation funny everybody that watched it sold so that i felt properly  pursuing that we want to do the opposite and encourage people to pursue it also so if i wanted right now to right now after the show just run over to the farm and hop on a horse would you let me boarding place in the farm is ivan way farm in hickory pennsylvania somewhere like between hickory and mcdonald poster the hickory though has a mcdonnell mailing address but it's kind of well i want to  pet is a happy pet and so will you be my