about lowering the senate roller derby range rover anybody else in here about anything else you'd like to speak about today radio i guess just as a note on camera we're dealing with water issues tonight flooding on the road going broke jumping it do mists little bit of damage on irish not too much clark road and with laurie englishman road residents or lower english settlement road residents are here to discuss water issues on lower english the culvert that crosses lower english and we're to be speaking to i think the first that makes sense to everybody don't we got an e mail from you yup you want me to wait a few ok i moved that resolution bryan on the  since i've been keeping up with that it was easy ok to page contract and then another eighteen pages typical boilerplate that there was nothing in there that he was concerned with all the required conclusions were there ok i don't see any about what thirty five thousand for the engineering yes yeah that's just for the engineering design correct since i'm a newbie and that comes out of the grant ok just that was my question this entire process over the next four years and how long ones are built a two years hope schedule for summer and sixteen summer six depending on how the right away acquisition goes maybe fifteen is not out of the question but realistically residents are here to discuss their concerns with the water issues in their lives crossing their road and also we have the issue was handled by the town crew week or so r twenty four inch pipe thirty six inches by i don't care what it is run that pipe to the river and the problem is gone my preference would be to keep the water on the east side which is the source of the problem i don't know the actor don't like him at least maybe someone has a better idea or some solution so would we could prevent this from happening again i don't have an issue with  coverage was opened up that's past history i think it should have started at the south and work north that's beside the point that i don't have a debate about that i know the landscape is going to fix like this the i don't ponding on the opposing side from your house in the path you know in the field you remember the fuel filling up the water here and there i just remember one significant event it may have been the late engineering it was put into and so this idea has been discussed before about getting the water to the river so that that's not a new idea and there are there is engineering for early stuff you know general not finished engineering but but that here for me these are honestly it comes down to a money thing that solution that you're talking about is an incredibly incredibly if we were to pursue it all i couldn't you know i'm not going to quote it but hundreds and hundreds of thousand dollars i bet to get water out of that river engineering alone is is a fortune these days you know how that gets in the permian all that stuff and so it's so hard because it's you know we work on a relatively tight budget down here between that road crew of course most your taxes go to it your school budget but you know twenty five percent of those property taxes you paid you know goes towards running this infrastructure about half that goes towards the roads and we're out there looking at the roads right now as well with nader earlier in the able to keep up with what's falling apart and there is i don't see any money certainly in the budget to do anything like that so that would be more about capital infrastructure type project maybe looking for grants in the future but as i'm sure you've heard we're kind of short on grants right now because we've gotten some i don't mean to be a doomsday on what you're saying but it's a very expensive proposition in the way that our property taxes seem high but really for all the things we need to get done in this town they're really not very high and i don't want to see them go any higher this and i gave it to someone before sarah and i have another copy and i was told that because towns can handle its budget then they should go reach out to female hazard mitigation that will prevent future property to flood will help homeowners and it's not a program for one homeowner it's one of bunch of home builders are affected so i really think to improve the infrastructure even on bailing out thirty nine days i want to  just moving water from one area to another d was opened up i had eight inches of water spreading out the entire length of my backyard and the fact that stream from the color of dave's property into my backyard and my concern is we've been there night years and in the nine years that we've been in underhill there this is i'd say on average in fact i think it's technically an average stuff all year this is not an above average stuff all year and this is had it clearly in my suit or legal proceedings with the developer is called into serious question the engineering on that development and whether or not it's adequate for the development and i know that's another question entirely but him i never even remember seeing water in that field and it's if there's water there today that's filling up and it's just straight putting reddit on and i don't know what that pond is doing it's not only bigger than my dining room it's coming right out of the pond straight out into the field so the field is not i think that's what i was referring to as the second retaining and i have a picture of that part of that water going from the pond that's there now clear down to the sign just north of my property some believe and as a person who is good has a lot of finally in their backyard i'm very concerned but also as a neighbor to the parents next door there their field is flooded out never seen their field flooded in the years you've been there nine years it's an it's unbelievable and it comes it's i've certainly never had a broken in my backyard and i know i last fourth of july shortly after development in we had about this much water all at one time and so this is going to be a problem throughout the entire year and i you know literally talk about being underwater with one or more homework but that's that's what i feel like we are in my early field is it was really a pretty mellow thought i mean we got really lucky with this stuff frankly other than today i guess but i'm really i have some serious concerns i wouldn't be here if this for a spectacular event but the thawing this year is not a spectacular proven fact right next to the tighter all of us that's going to happen so there's no doubt no matter which way this thing's engineered there's more water than there used to be no matter how well intentioned you are not water all needs to go somewhere and it's affecting all these guys in total it makes total sense really what's happening is not a great thing that's happening but sure makes sense that it's happening doesn't it and i just want to make it clear to you that everybody here i'm not into developing brain reacts to screaming to undergo to slam the door shut behind them but it to my house so we're all living the dream here ok yeah you're your concerns are heard we'll do everything we can to get an answer to you guys again i don't think if there's any short term solution to this as we all know there part of our community and we just got three hundred fifty thousand dollars from fema for the last floods may in july you know i hear you so so we definitely can reach out we can look into that but there's very as you know working with thema there's very very strict guidelines that's one thing but compliance by reading this right i don't think it's really an issue for the developer and the engineer yet they're going to have to come back with plans and go through this whole thing and work with the d r v and figure out how this is going to work better and this may be engineer who designed the whole development who is an engineer who has an engineer who works for him who legally can do that i spoke to today he said he has not heard from the you know doesn't know what's go my question is kind of the same easy as we have this in this verdict that basically says we have to work it out amongst the developers the developer the engineer our engineers and the other landowners here in shelby and lisa and my son so i guess yeah i'm kind of what happens if this guy does nothing because you know with so much money and walks away from this thing you know what this is going to cost to make this go away and we said we don't want to go away we just want to fix we don't want your money we don't we want you to fix it so we spent twelve thousand dollars on where with this is peeled off you know that's that's my concern is that if the guy issues and that's i think more pertinent is the water issue right now affecting your homes and seeing if there's any way forward that's affordable and would make any sense or if there's any funding or programs or anything like that let us let's take that step and then we'll go from there how's that anybody else any last thoughts on lori english and what's going on for tonight and forever for tonight job what we need to keep an eye on we're moving very very carefully on this so that you're not ill affected and that once our goal is for of course we need to approve things that are done right because as you mentioned if things are done right someone should be able to develop their property assist as only a ministry or shall not to issue an excess permit intil the select board has made a ruling or thirty days from application whichever comes soonest which suggests of slip or does fourth and we meet again it will twenty nine so thirty days will have run book perhaps on the record mr hunt will agree to waive any claims  problems with it as it stands and like result has some problems with other people have some problems with it as a sentence so we could simply bill to deny it without prejudice to resubmission and that would solve becomes responsible for any issues that result from having a primary but that kind of a grade for instance if an oil truck goes off the side you have a hazmat situation or if there's a fire apparently can't your fire trucks out because they can't find that presentation and he said you know it what it came down to is water's going to run down here this is the watershed and it's going to you know be more than that colors used and that was that was really the gist of our i think right  whatever else you know there was a lot more well i think i washed a few times and i think if you guys ask questions he kind of you know he kind of will that down he said yup there's an issue it's that you know waters and accelerate i think what he just stated a truism really that you know even if it's one drop trees and they took out something like nine to fifteen loads of logs and you know not not to say anything against them but just that the fact that what we're proposing in just this overall things that there's a lot of water here what i'm proposing is you know just nine fifteen loads i think it's fifteen i don't want to say that for sure but just some one hundred percent that's a lot of logs that's a lot of purple surface probably similar to what we're going to do you know just laying the road down but the thing is that it's just a drop in the bucket what they did was a drop in the bucket know they said we don't find that you're up there so i mean i think that what it really comes down to is that what we're doing isn't a huge impact it's really going to get exception to the you know to the regs on the slope the water should be adding there's marshes everywhere if you take care of it and come back with a plan absolutely that you're not leaving a bit of that out just and not looking for exceptions not looking for fifteen percent looking for what that thing says on there and then i get back and have you ever see ships for the  burtka talk to them and i think they have been made about their talk about it and i think basically what it came down with them is that you know they don't they don't have rules that you know that they can change it's i think it's like ten percent they want their head you know it's like yeah a perfect world we all incentive before we get propane gas was so warm but my engineer i'm not an engineer or my engineer said it was that was the best but i'm going to take this back and do whatever he says if i can plug it up i just just another thing to kind of consider is basically the only thing at this point that he's an exception and you've got five hundred fifty feet at twelve percent and two hundred fifty feet at fifteen percent these are not minor i happen to know specifically what an eight hundred foot stretch of present road looks like  permanent was denied so that we can kind of reset the clock here you're going to reapply and we'll be looking at it again ok this wasn't like we're not to look at it that was not our intention tonight our intention tonight this was not to get messed up in this thirty day thing yeah yeah you stand there replying we keep going down this we have that thank you renovation on we don't have a line and up money in that line to do this budget yes that's correct there's no money in july one do we have the money we have nothing we can budget anything next year for this money now but that doesn't mean the town doesn't have money we have overages and other underage use and i should say underage kids and other lines and we can shuffle things around she is very conservative and she legal and maybe a couple of their ears but you told them you know she wants to put and this isn't being critical of her at all to put twenty two thousand dollars in a rainy day fun capital stuff here to capital think she's pulling it out of that capital is that what we're driving at here yes yes so we're we're sitting a weapon right so widely what we try to do here is kind of knock twenty one thousand you know from  i'm just concerned that even if we have general expenditures running a surplus on the general side on april one we're still going to get two july tonight we can definitely have people who come to our next meeting i was having trouble following the numbers and knowing that spring isn't over yet yeah i know the highway budget is a separate budget and so on  thousand dollars saved sort of like that and that's what cliff saying and when we look at this budget again like well what are we doing we can't take anything on this building where do and if we happen to take two years because we made a mistake in the fall not putting money in the budget and deferred maintenance costs more than yeah doing it right the first time you recognize all of it i just don't know what happens if we find ourselves at the end of may of money yeah we did that last year you go to the bank last year let's not leave it we don't need to make a financial decision this time i think so that's so new decisions there on the resolution for the town hall renovation so when the restoration contractor we're going to go off in france officer in more depth on that issue that you know you do in the four week old female work this summer and then we're talking nine or ten days easy on this one would probably have some contractors help us out on this ar are second to a discussion just just to add we're guessing at what you're talking about about the repairs at about twenty five thirty thousand would be my guess using some outside contractors on those repairs that doesn't include the i already did this this was last week's this is your paycheck this thank you and before i make that motion let me put it up again i'm a lawyer but i'm of the town's lawyer i have to say i move that we go to executive session to discuss pending and potential litigation matters