show celebrating all the stores that are have chosen not to be open on thanksgiving like this some great thing we should applaud the company such as costco just announcing they now are taking a stand they're not going to be open on did drive by once because you know what yeah i want to talk in the morning christmas eve it's a christmas are you tempted to go in i walk in there and i really weep for the fabric of society the number of people who are that addicted have to go there but especially on christmas eve for crying out loud to me a break i mean if your life is so pathetic and i want to spend time with their family this is what this whole thing is about really really even christmas day i'm ok with that after the six o'clock in the evening whenever and i don't know if you're concerned about families what better way then have been able to earn more money that day or for people to be spend money that day and therefore  anyway the only way they did the only way they would stay closed is by finding someone who could prove and not guesstimate proof that a campaign that works something that says bassos company we're a big conglomerate corporation and we're going to defame lee and we have decided we will not be open on thanksgiving we are refusing not only we not to be open on thanksgiving we're refusing to allow any of our employees to come in for any reason whatsoever at any date or time but come friday around i don't know noon come to our store i think that's a campaign that could really work but really i don't even see a corporation trying that unless they're one hundred percent sure they're going to get that because they're all going to lose out on that time that that's my marketing idea well and is pinto is not here to mention last show you know the workers are all having to be there the day before anyway so now if you're right who are opening on thanksgiving or not opening on thanksgiving your employers are all going to be there until three a m thanksgiving day setting up for friday or thursday doesn't make a difference so they're you know i don't i i just i can't get over that this is become some big big news story this impression of almost all businesses you know corporate have taken over and really it's true i mean you've got this huge corporate conglomerate of markets the exponential difference is getting greater and greater separation between have and have nots is getting bigger and bigger people are believing that reality so as a corporation i've got to fight a little bit to that and whatever perception i can get people i mean it doesn't matter what the reality is and matters what i think about that reality and their carving that they're making that they're deciding that and frankly the media doesn't care enough to fight back against that enough i mean they've got a million stories to cover and wal mart's covering wal mart you know targets covering target so they can do whatever they want well we'll see how the people speak obviously and that's to me the biggest thing is sure these companies are responding to the public i was in the public wants to get better deals or to have more time to shop or whatever whatever reason they're opening earlier and so hey if if the public is that against it then don't go out and shop on thanksgiving day and we'll see what happens but let's come back to the story and see when all the you know the media is now you know against companies for wanting to open early but then they'll probably talk about how this was a terrible holiday less than half ok less than half is this the dawn of a new age of gaming or slash the efforts for these gaming console still to make a move out of the last ditch effort when you're seeing a big transition in these gaming systems now become the system of systems i mean we're talking right now and it's really silly my oldest daughter was never really into video games i mean we had a we in our house they just sort of sat and collected most we do well now even at the beginning like when my kids were in that age but they didn't really express an interest in having p s two or p s three or whatever it was in that age and with the way that only comes out of the holidays pretty much what's it's the rest of the year really in the last six months my six year old and eight year old have brought it out and they're playing nice heck out of it i mean silly little games like that we lego games you know they are loving them you know plan plan plan plan i said  you know i don't think it's going to be this season but next season when we're in the midst of rebuilding our basement getting it all in one system that can do the d v d blu ray game system downstairs that sounds like a great idea so it's making that transition i think to be more than a game system smart connect all the time smart but what i don't get is because i understand i agree with you completely that there is this opportunity here and and the problem always for gaming has always been i mean gaming is such a hardcore gaming especially in such a small tiny minute group that's very vocal and buys a lot of stuff one person is going to buy hundreds of dollars for the games or there's not a lot of them copies but what i find interesting about the advertising so far and the teacher maybe you can explain to me why this is but there's centering and maybe it's because their early its early releases are going to be the hardcore gamers but most of the promotions i've seen every commercial i'm seeing are about games as opposed to this is supposed to be the the dawn of both of these being these entertainment centers and and great as your time of media centers and that hasn't been advertised such when they first announced the gaming systems there was a big deal about these but so far in advertising up until today there hasn't been that so i don't know why you'd advertise for a product they're not going to get their hands on anyway i mean this is the season when people are going to get them are the people who go two days ahead and wait in the line outside to get them my guess is you'll be able to find the new x box systems before christmas but you will not be able to find many play stations outside of raffles standing in lines paying four hundred dollars on line i just saw for them until after the christmas season why would i spend advertising dollars to people who are going to see it anyway i mean i'll save that advertising money until after the christmas season right now you've got you know the hardcore gamers and then kids who are privileged not the way to put it but kids were whining about i need i want to get together that i got i got it to their parents who are then either of the means to get that or of the time to sit out and wait for one so you've got to push that issue it's going to be out there especially with the pretty resolute flop that the ben i mean i don't think it even made waves in the last year in any sense at all but this new level of game system will that people are going to pick it up and buy it for those reasons right now why would i waste my money advertising for a product that doesn't exist or i can't get i don't know if they're trying to build demand of any kind or just the areas people because i'm sure a lot of people here are a great play station four x box one and just another gaming console but if they truly want this to be the center of all entertainment in the house where people will use it as their netflix player their amazon player their ability to buy movies media development what am i going to connect to and where am i going to invest this dollar i mean sure last gaming systems had investments on them or playing things on them but it wasn't to the level that these will have if i start building my digital library on let's say an x box and then the next generation i want to switch over to playstation do i lose that can i still access that where is it can i find it and of course that's going to be dependent on you know whatever winning the next level i mean the last generation of gaming was very interesting with that we starting out with the real control and the x box i think winning initially in the next level and really seeing that switch over by the end to the playstation because they had that forethought of including that blu ray player this time going into it i think the play station has won this for now but the long term of it is where it's a new term and they've done  advertising and promotion to put their stuff together and also a very low keyed my favorite is that how do you borrow a p s game the place that whole thing hey can i borrow that here you go that's brilliant i it's so simple and elegant but that's appeasing that hardcore level of gamer we're going to invest in that keep that going in but i mean let's be realistic and honest most of the people at that level are going to buy bo on every console they sell and i was their idea me almost the amazon kind of mentality of let's get it out there make all the money back on games and on licensing deals with these these gaming systems that you know and we've talked before about this wasn't sony and microsoft making these things companies that had billions of dollars that they could afford to lose i mean both of these have been money holes for these companies but what i find interesting about it is two companies and sony and microsoft that have chosen image problems right now those are two cool things i mean they the x box is kind of the core most people wouldn't consider microsoft vehicle company but x box has that cool branding name same with playstation it's the cool brand of basically of of sony and so probably if nothing else they are going to continue to push these forward because they see a big future because there is that kind of associated with any of those they're just on their own asses corvette you don't hear chevy so write it with i mean it's a separate brand name and corvette loses money but has the attention of the media and gets people let let's look at this let's see i that keeps me going with them even under or behind smart smart speaking of being smart maybe not being smart i know you've been following the area of story if not so aereo is a company that is basically they're selling you broadcast of their signals over the internet by using small little intense and we talked about this before with us and i believe it is a very dollar i think that's one of the guys behind it you know signals but they've put tiny little antennas on big and tennis and every single one of their subscribers has basically their own little intent that serves the d v r and they're putting these up in start in big cities like new york where getting over their signals is very difficult because you got tall buildings you have a lot of issues so they've been getting into a huge amount of legal battles over the their systems and they've won every time so far broadcasters of the last cable companies they're going to pull all of their games off of over the air television and put them all on the pay cable i don't know about you but i don't watch a lot of over the air and the league games because you get what one a week it's everything else is on the s v n or on on groups do you watch things on into now but i'm saying that i'm using even the broadcast signal understand coming coming through what we do have one t v in the house that is that you think this is just a some big bluff i mean i don't think it's a big bluff i think it's a corporation you know worried about losing it's battle for people to pay money for their signal that other people can still get for free existing i think they will probably legalize or invest most of their money into survival against these giant loss to corporations i feel bad for the little guy but i  eventually even if they keep winning but i think this gets back to one of the misty most always say that the united states never lost a battle in the vietnam war all right never but they lost the war because  got to a point where they couldn't battle any more just didn't want to they were done and that's a big guy you know just if there's an interest in winning it will be one i guess and we've talked about this in the show before about how you know there are ways to make this work better that a lot of these big companies because there's so much money involved and chose not to and that is you know for the n f l to go ahead and sell your games directly to consumers and the problem is sell nearly enough advertising to cover it but as a law so they can say look we have the n f l game now they do use it to promote their shows inside the i mean how many in station promos on very good tonight  twenty five bucks a month you watch any game you want on your phone on tablet on your computer on your television set but then also have advertising inside of it and be able to make enough money i would think i don't know if you watched a baseball game  ever watched our games all the time you have you ever bought a baseball game well when you go to them you're buying then right when i buy you're asking what i buy i'm asking right now have them no no no so right now major league baseball is earning money from you even if it's just advertising revenue there you know putting it out there and if that changed but if i had the ability to watch prior games on my phone on the tablet anywhere i wanted i'd be willing to pay more than the amount of money i'm paying right now to have route on my cable bill and i understand this bill i understand as i would not mean outside of a very few select franchises you know yankees yes network you're going to die i mean this is things are going to not survive even something like t v s which was you know for a long time atlanta braves baseball station  survive because it got into the market of broadcasting wild card games and even games of the week that kind of stuff i don't think that kind of stream could survive  really i think part of the n f l succeeds because it is such a machine for watching and i think if it became a pay thing and the major league baseball i don't think it would survive i don't think it would bring in that number of people  i certainly don't think people would listen to it on the radio i think you might see an increase in number of people attending games but you know that much all right i i still think that you can have both at this time anyway they do strange that a lot of them both right now that a lot of these companies are choosing not to come are asked to do it by an amount no but and they have both well they say but i cannot buy i cannot things are still subject to blackout s i can't buy parking for instance to watch you have to watch them on route there is no other alternative but the season i can buy the season no not as part you can buy the season acquire games but you're only going to get the out of market games which means nothing and you could basically in pits where you could not buy or you could buy reds games and you could buy red sox games for an entire season and you have never looked that up by but you could never not pirates game well but and the f c c has been looking  guess recently talked about lifting this bizarre blackout ban rules that they have that have protected these local stations for years even though they don't really need to do that anymore  i don't wear it see in the future what's going to happen with with this i just think that there there should be more options for people out there in order to and i think that as people are looking to possibly cut the cord  and get away from cable or over the you know paying for an entire package that there would be a market for people to buy specialized things especially people that want to be able to do  them go to watch them on multiple devices and it's interesting to finally see some of the networks are finally starting out with apps that you can watch their shows some of them even right after this show is there you can watch it live but you can model next oh yeah and and i don't know how successful or not successful those are but there are there are avenues to i guess from a looking at from a marketing perspective the n f l would be able to gain so much more information about you as a user by being on to see where you're but but i think going forward if you're going to tie yourself to broadcast television and e s p n and whatever i think that's a that's your only looking one mark and you're going to be stuck with with really comment was a little maker of the kinect for the x box course after the first version of connecting all the problems microsoft said great we're into our own and he's kind of created what i guess is a much better connect system but course coming in number one again thirty six and a half million closer than i expected that's the best man holiday which we were mocking thirty million dollars in the number two spot last vegas last vegas and freebirds switch places three and four both made about eight million dollars and bad grandpa down to seven point four so as we look at the holiday movies releases so far yes i mean first by the war it's got a vince on to go up six times and maybe not have enough time and for reasons opening on one in one theater this week it's getting its premiere in hollywood so it will be in wide release i'm looking forward to seeing that out of it's going to be up there but