community and let me i'm not speaking for the motion but i want to comment that normally in the community plan and i think it's actually a requirement of to a t b if you had you'd have a brief description of the project district and what's contained in it so what i've heard from testimony and what i've heard from from commissioners there may be a need for a community center up there you know like something for for a council but if everybody's in agreement that there's those things are included so the intent mostly was that we recognize that the overwhelming majority of the community recognize the need to move upward for talent in our cen government of business of retail and medical and so that was the appropriate area that we fell and some of that would be why we wanted to change that land use designation to be consistent what our future need would be ok and so the descriptions  integrity of the documents and the intent by which these documents are created and these plans are created is more than just one part of the plan it's an overwhelming idea and hope for a future world in every aspect for this community and for different areas on walkway so that would be my reasoning in trying to create a new chapter and it also would be more user friendly to tell you the truth like i don't chapter and kind of see it and maybe work backwards to see where in their own their ideas were supported throughout the document ok thank you there's a motion has been seconded we've had some discussion any further discussion seeing all those in favor of the motion raise your right hand all those opposed motion carr kill ok so i just wanted to i don't have any more motions i just actually want to make clear to the community that every single person who testified and pam was helping me we cited areas in the community plan where your your concerns are addressed so i have it here i would suggest that you wait until the final draft of all the changes we make because if i give you my book right now it doesn't into the new stuff that we just put in but what i can do is if you would like to leave me your email address i can send you or you'd like to come afterwards i can send you the sections in which you can find those policies issues or actions that address your specific concerns and i have you down by name and you can return home and as the council goes through their portion of this you can you can decide whether or not you need stronger language but i want to assure you that we were listening and that everybody who talks from whit lands to burial to greeting to i cannot come all the economics are all in the plan and i do have the specific sections that taken care of first so please come been dismissed shadow has the microphone and you're all limited in three minutes please because we have a lot to get done and we have to give this up actually want it into the document and it will there will be changes but once it's in then we'll start to make the changes and one of the changes the of these gentlemen actually are from clue a coin and they want to become part of the west and statements what they wanted entered as the monologue state policy statement rather than the mano with stan correct and once they once we fix the document the way we want to we'll be don't do you need any more information on that we just the ok the reason why we did this was because we wanted the voice of the people in the policy it's like east and you know they want the voices heard and that's one thing i noticed was that the kapoor no were very strong in their beliefs and it was from way back and that was one of the three things that actually needed to be address when you do consideration in decision making is to honor the coupon or to take care of and address the needs of the present and to set it up for the future for as a take you for a bond it's so we thank you thank you please is there any any further anything further from the west and thank you did thank you no no and we as the commission appreciate  commissioners did have a discussion cento i'd like to make a motion to include the monologue policy statement into chapter eleven subject area descriptions to include the specific footnotes at a later said must be changed to be truly expressive of the the west and intent if you submit a document that's not complete and is flawed right now there's no indication counsel you may get that incomplete statement they may not have the opportunity to change it as they probably would wish to so one of your options would be to you've already got the placeholder for it with chapter eleven you could submit a statement to counsel saying that you strongly support the inclusion of a west end monologue policy statement and that you have heard from the public that such a state drafted and submitted to council that would mean that the document that is submitted to council is more reflective of the true extent of the community that seems fair to me that makes sense to me but  is that something that him so i just want to come in these guys though because they both sound on different sides last night inaudible testified one wanted one didn't want right now and they sat together to try to work to salt so i think that's a big positive move and the thing is the policy as it stands is a good one and it's primarily for a monologue and our intent is to include the could look poised so that it becomes a more powerful document and  one thing i notice is that a lot of the more a little gets taken out and the ideas get changed and it doesn't become the people's voice anymore and that is my concern i'm we're going to be working together i mean it's going to we're going to try to get it done within a month you know and that that our commitment to doing it it's not whether or not it's going to happen it is going to happen period it will indeed the concern i have honestly is that there's a lot of places inside your document that refer to responsibility based on economic situation and there's a lot of on the west didn't know when we actually first initially drafted him and that's why this actually has a little course a monologue western policy but at that time he was set to  obliged to agree with her only because what if you guys don't finish your revision before the one year in well you know want to be so sore we created the saga we created a whole chapter to put a stop area description in so we know all that the intent of the community suck have sub area descriptions if we make a motion that it is our intention to put a comprehensive westmore loci policy statement together after you both have sat down to follow that through i'm wondering if that would be a better way to address this than putting in a hat a draft document into a plan the work where i come from it i represent the president of the west warwick association we just received this document the board all hasn't even received it so i don't have authorization to say yes that we support this case so but we do have a approval to say we want to work with the community at monaco and have a comprehensive west and policy statement included in this and so we're looking at you with what is the best way for that see of course we can have expert input from greg in the past if we don't include something the typical train isn't ever gets done through the official process independent of the efforts that we would have by the community so i may be aired in my statement but i would much rather have a westin policy statement that we can allow the community come back and make further reviews and recommendations for that does exist and is in the plan that was approved by this body which shows great intent to the county council with with a statement such as that then to not to just to see a place make mark if you will in the in thank you for the extra chapter because i think that even makes it more important in the same would be true from when i i just i have fear that if something's not in there that it won't get in there that's a simple as i can put it so i believe that there is a document that exists in the community has no choice but to look at that just like they do with our current draft community plan and make firm recommendations in collaboration with the community to get consensus in so forgive me that's my that's my opinion i just think that's that creates more opportunity to actually have a summary description for for those  we've received it and i feel the heart that senate and the love for the west and and and there's a lot of well a lot of care and a lot of culture a lot of knowledge that  that comes out of this the way that it's drafted though we have some issues with it and we can't support this right now the part of the problem is ok first off the law that we do these community plans under requires that they be internally consistent so we were finding some inconsistent statements within it and that perhaps we haven't had a chance to go through the rest of the plan but just internally it sucks about only businesses for four west and  community members i'm not quoting this right so please bear with me but then it says that it says restore caloric ois which is for visitors and so those things conflict see that was one of the problems we had when we first put it together was the fact that even if clue a coil wasn't part of that we still wanted to address some of their needs let's go through the rest of it well let me ask you something maybe you don't leave you don't need to do that wouldn't it be better then for it to be included so that you had the department would have time to really review it and then dish it out and then the community would be able to work on it so she dick would address specific areas that the plant had concern about where pretty much paul i mean once we see where will we will send or change it or whatever but i really feel for the record for the minutes and everything i need to state the the things that we have concerns about so one of them is it's internally conflicting the second one is that an m p possibly there could be conflicts with the rest of the plan so it would meet the scrutiny of the law that's required to adopt these community plans well that might be internally conflicting in your mind's eye but in my mind's eye which is more why and there is no conflict because that is something dick and i can work out and when we speak for i address what they want i mean all they have to do is let us know because we're very willing to work with one another ok we'll just just your concern about conflicting issues so as attorneys i'm an attorney what we do it when we look at crafting laws and policies is if one provision within the law is invalid it doesn't invalidate the entire law itself so i think what the commission can do is say we accept this statement if there are any inconsistency is then it does not invalidate the entire statement it pin pointing to that specific bill or specific language within those name in itself ok i know and i i understand that the what happens is when we get down to a particular permit or an s m a permit we're consistency with the plan is required and you have conflicting statements of what is consistent and what's not that that becomes an issue ok let me go on to the other ones and and please i want out i guess you ok thank you because it's i feel your heart of this and i feel the hearts of the people who signed us and it's it's not my intent to criticize it's my intent to go what we can follow and what we can't the second thing is this tends to be regulatory the community plans are not supposed to be regulatory documents in and of themselves it's other laws that use the community plan to regulate for instance  everybody hears you i think you're probably familiar with f e m a permits special management area when you do a development you're required that law requires that you be consistent with the community plan the community plan itself situation the current problems we set our goals and we set action steps that's and it was never intended to be regulatory you know whether or not you find conflict with it it just was what the community wanted it so we wrote from the community standpoint and we didn't think anything else of what others said because what we felt was with the money not all of the people was what was important and that's why when we wrote our hunting management plan we got the hunters together to put it together it wasn't us it didn't come out of our brain it came from the hunter and and the the thing to do with like and i know there's already within the existing within this draft community planet says develop a game management plan instead of it that's the proper way to do it so you develop that management plan involve the hunters and everything it's so specific that you know but it takes too many steps the way you do it then nothing and it takes too long sometimes for things to get done so we actually just did it from what out what should be in our community plan what should be done for us as a community we had no idea of saying ok you gotta do this you gotta do that you've gotta do this but we were just willing to work with  that's what happened with a plan was that you guys took up the what you considered the important part but you left out the more or less no that was really really crucial and that for us as a people modelo is what is really important because that's what holds community together it's not what thoughts come out and you can just yank it out that doesn't always happen you know and i know that the seat back did the best they could by put you know piecemealing but listening to some of the testimony last night even they were conflict did so i mean this process is i mean it's really time consuming and i applaud all of you for being at all of the meetings and having to contend with people like myself and some that are not it's you know nice but you know the fact is that when we spoke we put that plan together with put it from the people's point of view it wasn't our point of view and it's really evident that that's not so evident to me i'm just showing you for the technical side what what we're going to have a problem with as far as supporting it or not i'm supporting it we also seek we seek let me we also see regulatory actions with hunting hunting fishing the water fracking nuclear which already is illegal by the way we cannot build nuclear power plants in l a county yeah the i think the other thing that the i have been criticized before for not informing people about that our plans need to be achievable so when i see fire and our fire station the question library and museum half way house medical facilities you know i just i did a quick google of cost of fire stations greg's probably going to correct me i'm i'm sure but i know the one in  that was proposed for haiku on maui another rural community two to construct it and equip it was like eleven million dollars and when if we have a list like this of a fire station sort of have a community center already medical facilities etc i'm just  i've got to be honest i find it very unlikely the county council is going to to fund those things the you have to remember that you have seven other community programs you actually have a you have call a lobby and but not too much action there that's really the kirk but you have seven other communities that are all asking for money on all asking for projects and there's only so much to go around and the first focused on roads and water and that kind of infrastructure and then they go on from there i think it would be delightful if monologue had all these facilities i think it would be delightful ny had these kinds of facilities i just can't tell you that the council is going to put them very high on the list with all the competing interests all the other demands that they have to me and so that got submitted at that level with the understanding that it would be worked on no one at that point look took it apart and said this doesn't work just as a war we don't like this this you can't have that they just gave it that place holder that great talked about just give it a place holder because these people feel you know they are going they are going to he said he's going to heal and he's going to pull his people she's going to pull more of hers and i understand that you disagree that i think i've frankly supported it disagreed with a couple of things myself without us and even county but i supported it because it was generated by the people so i'm wondering if it's ok to do that have a place holder at the c pot level they can fix these things that are inconsistent with the law they can fix they don't they had three i believe three weeks to fly together and i'll be honest with you and they and they can have a lot of our own community experts come and help with this because they didn't have that help so i'm just wondering if you can consider that placeholder because it's the you know these are these people representing that community and i know both of them looking at them they are truly representative of the community they're not as vigil standing up but please if we can do that at the c pac level cap we do that at this level in the it to the city i mean to the county council just place hold it yes and and that is the way to do it what i'm saying is we can't support it at this time that we're going to transmit this we're to transmit the draft that you produced we're going to send up to the council once of council that's a whole other regulatory body and they will ultimately approve whatever goes into the plan they will include things they will they will change things they will not include some things just having been through this many times that's going to be the way it goes but it is your opportunity whatever you work out together go submit that to the county council and they they will take that up ok i have to let you know that when we did put th documents together it was not to say what is possible and what is not possible when we spoke with the community we as what do you think are our needs and that is how it was a brought up so i know a lot of times that mocha a gets the short end of the stick as far as budget appropriations go but it has the people have to be h yet so that is just how we put it together with for the people ok ma ok so just thought i understand clearly if we submit a document and the put them on our last statement in and then you read it through and there are technical if and by law certain things cannot be in the just extract those things or is the whole document will and delete we will well it's going to be up to the council council has their own staff and the review everything that we send them and council will hold meetings and discuss all of these issues the  the of course the community is just invited to totally participate in all of that we will stay engaged with that and we will tell them what happened at this meeting they will get the minutes from this meeting and i'm fear because god is in charge but my fear is that if we put up a document that is not legally in line with this process will and which he cannot answer me right now will be just extract the whole document and then it not be part of the plan in which case you would have to come back anyway or do we hold a place marker to sit at the commission supports aware molokai policies the mint that is currently being drafted by the entire western community and that will be presented before the close of the council's decision to adopt a thorough and final community p well this commission already voted to create a chapter eleven rate with those placeholders right well but it wouldn't hurt to make that excess amy i guess what i'm so so n p r understand your fear of not having it in i don't want to do and i support you i don't want to do something because we'll cannot answer me and we are no record if it will be extracted even with what money i said that it it's not going to automatically be extract did in its entirety because certain things don't line up with this particular policy or long i'm wondering if we just show our intent and our our support as a commission which the department can also support that this is just to the community you guys can get in the side yourself my personal advice as an attorney and as a person there was a chair of the moment by planning commission and having worked before with  look at when a law is developed when an attorney is trying to or a judge or lawyers trying to interpret the law they look to the legislative intent the look as to why that law is in place and so to look at the not all of the people who introduced it and all the testimony that was before it and if it addis is the intent of the law naya spreading commissioners they are not robots and of ponds that have to listen to the planning department and corporation council about everything they are arbiters they have they are the eyes and ears of the community they will look at the community statement they will look at technicalities and they will make a decision with the best information that they know if you got out the policy statement and make a place marker there is no guarantee that any of your essence of your community statement is in ok but if there's nothing we're going to go back rewind back to the super process where people had three minutes to testify and they were gutting the community statement and saying oh this is the technical rule but as a rule we don't any kind of understanding of the intent and that's why this community was angry when our east end policy statement  statements and in this policy that we are going to be able to come together on i'm looking at the future in how do we draft a comprehensive how do we work together and do this and your notes on what the inconsistency is and removing regulatory issues in burbage that would take it out of the regulatory context and put it in a broader context i know of thirty first this year last the so of course i can and again ok so i don't think i mean i don't need to discuss this anymore yeah so so we have a motion on the floor the motion is to in document as it is written with one change being the title of the document is not lamido monologue west policy statement but the monologue policy statement with a foot no or or an advisement and support from this commission that states that the model and colloquial communities are currently working on it to include the different inconsistent c s and concerns by the planning department and at some point will come up with a more comprehensive and updated with more high policy statement and i just want to say to the other commissioners you know yet there was a motion was a second and just just for that the record i did not encourage the commission to vote one way or another yes i have i'm saying the planning department cannot support this at this time so however whatever the commission votes will transmit that to council then it's in their hands and they're going to make a decision one way or another they could extract the whole thing they could include the whole thing i can't say you know council has their own entity so we'll see how that goes and i just want to make another statement whether it's written or you show up at this process you guys gotta be present and we've got to make noise i mean you know and so if things get taken out because you became complacent and depended upon community leaders to do your job and then you like grumble afterwards that's on you and so we all can do our part and everybody got to do their part to get support for the things that that we need include the malar policy statement into chapter eleven area descriptions and that it be accepted as presented with the time that will be inclusive of the community and address the inconsistency and concerns stated by the department so that was that was original how to came up with that name has something never it has not been clarified for understanding there was some four point themself is that something i could see in agreements self appointed an ad hoc committee but yet because they will directly to the planning department it is knowledge of the placeholders as representing the eastern policy statement update for twenty sixteen no yes or no no ok what we have in front of us we have the original nine hundred eighty one right rate this we have this this one from the ad hoc committee and then but we don't know where that comes from i mean we don't never maple's she helped organize and stuff but we're we're not privy to what the discussions were anything so we have that documents and we've looked at that and you know we have some issues with that but so but it has not included into this as my we are all here members of the planning commission and staff is because right now there's a high risk factor is that the eastern policy statement whatever version we talking about cannot will not be included because you fools have not accepted it and received it all you have in front of you is that twenty sixteen update ad hoc committee that was signed by debbie maples that you force every view of we've been starting maybe a little bit lately we had a community meeting on monday and we brought in some technical support we discovered that there were other appropriate attachments that should be included into eastern updated to the e policy statements there's some languages from exhibit big doll original one in eighty was that we were looking at there was a common agreement at the meeting on on monday we weren't going to talk about the boat ramp that that would allow us more dialogue with those that supported the boat ramp and those that did not want the boat ramp budget last night debbie mandel maples represented the fact that she wanted her  history of why the policy statement was inactive and where we are we trying to do some of the reasonable updates from the eighty one exhibit ok so how would that be a placeholder how would we surface that send the record to the council anyway but if they have a recommendation that's going to be their recommendation i only know that there's one with the other two because the three you never get it so there's only one that i know there could be there's a night one nine hundred eighty one in the two thousand and one plan i remember distinctly i well as staff to the planning commission at that time i remember there was some discussion about the eastern policy statement that was never included as a recommendation to be included or anything ok at that time when i got up the council i don't recall who've made the recommendation to the council but i also distinctly remember charmaine's of our as going let's include this just as an i forget as an just to kind of catch the planning commission are on monday we had a community meeting to go over what ad hoc committee had requested as an update to the twenty sixteen plan and made some comparisons with our origin or policy statement and i received feedback from the community as to things that they wanted to return to the twenty sixteen statement and additional protections they wanted to put into the plan as well as updating it to the modern times after thirty five years but really the essence of what was the one nine hundred eighty one plan continues today and the sentiment in the room was that moment you know we may not all be living ten years from now all when the next update happens but there was a sense that we also wanted to leave a legacy as our who point to who passed you know who were part of the one hundred eighty one plan that we were also honoring their memory and their money not all and carrying it for other further for future generations so i i had promised the community i would make a dropbox lincolns show them t plan in time but i literally finished this thing at nine thirty in the morning and sent it to printer size i will i will be sending you guys the dropbox only there were some things i inadvertently  left out because i was running against the clock trying to write this in thirty six hours so so i reserve the right to make some changes to more accurately reflect people's one though so i may be going in between two two computers to show how the revised plan looks like so the community can at least get a sneak peek basically on on monday i'll be sharing some of the slides that we showed on monday just to give context and then going more into the nitty gritty of the revised plan so for us it was remembering our history and it really had to do with in the late one nine hundred sixty s and early seventy's when we didn't have our own planning commission when all the decisions are made on maui and on who we were in peril and so this is the dredging of one point five million cubic yards of reef and it and the filling in of a fish pond that was dedicated to our mall cop warley and there were maybe protests but to no avail this happened because we had no opportunity to be heard the destruction of the coal fish pond and then right next to over what in the ten acre property were already couey lesser known lives in front of palmer harp on there was  intent to create a seventy five condo unit titled carlo via injection well for sewage into the ground so we were very upset i was i think i was seven or eight years old be here in the in place a number of people also who have since passed and we said no more development in one night and we demanded our own planning commission to us you know that in support and you know that really it's truly a home while in police where we can live that traditional lifestyle so on monday night we  on and then there was talk about possibly converting tonya harding judging there and destroying the the fish pond there in order to to create this board ramp and then there was this issue of to be accessible what about the he via the op when the sensitive habitat there so the general sentiment was we know we don't want there you know but there are also commercial planning department was a part of a long way it was not a coupon or an oh whoa i know native tenants of the land and their concern really was looking at preserving the traditional uses of our lands and what's what's been happening is wetlands are being filled up for murder more and fish ponds in order to create these sort of a luxury holiday is fronting on the beach and so there was an effort on our behalf for with the money community to identify areas that were important for traditional man uses that really is part of our heritage as i know man and this map display is really the connections that people in my miami have to the north shore and that one night is really north and south together so these color sure is seen as really are ice a box and that r r r r in the are interdependent with the north and those relationships continue to endure and then the other option was looking at a boat ramp income alone and so we talked about the threats and risk of you know any kind of food in a doorway will be creating a tourist trap and bringing fishermen especially from mali with a straight shot to maybe thirty minutes right instead of our have to come up because i that it would really open up our fishing grounds to too and so we talked about the importance of preserving the lifestyle of the people and that people especially should decide because there are no home to swim and fish and families come along families camp there and have family celebrations you know and if we ever would consider come along we'd have to have very stringent requirements like you know  so so there were a very varied opinions and sort of the promise that the community meeting was that we would take the boat ram off the table because we couldn't reach any kind of consensus on that issue but in respect of people's money all we would see what the arguments were for and games and the hockey only had facilitated a few of these so i included any direct quotes that were written and posted in those i put it into the stable on the east and the revised east and propose statement we we went through each section so that another thing was looking at health and emergency services and the the ad hoc committees recommendation was to encourage i'm having some kind of health emergency center and library culture center and the original language was established so the more not all was let's go back to it all the older version and say let's so that's the only difference in the proposals are revised he said and a statement we also talked about environment and natural resources section and there are things like water soil and all of these things and  that aggressive management of feral animal populations is required for watershed help that that was the proposal language and we've we've changed a lot and there's been all this kind of watershed partnership agreements and so i mentioned that you know i had to interview door to door forty seven mama come on on what they thought and that they had all had very viewpoints and they s not just looking at on fence and the upper watersheds we're looking at a whole pile of management so in order to honor that one not only will we said mean we probably should incorporate the money traditional customary practices conditions in the in the various naca and what are the appropriate management recommendations and how community should be directly involved and what are the legal protections on the state county federal levels  so the wetlands issue that was also in an environment in natural resource section and we knew that the money j s report addressed this issue so we also put in the updated version that that use and policy what things of my community wanted to put back in so i spent time on that section as well to make sure some of our original man not went back in now there's this thing called traditional that so that's why we're incorporating that also into the into the east and policy statement also the way that we look at archaeological sites and determine what is important and significant may be different from what archaeologists and regulators see so we talked about culture and then ski this you know maybe a house site me humans and nature that reflect the closely woven net of relationships the essence of culture and identity so this is sensual is also part of that proposed traditional land use overlay we're these fabulously engineer monuments are abundance and i know more more not hiding in plain sight and there are a legacy and we need to protect them  to be mindful of what native point rights may be attached to this place so you know then we look at the social economic resources section some of that was dated but a lot of the in these areas and maybe we could figure it out later and then you know there were other concerns that are you know added to what we were experiencing in same kind of values we have so now we're seeing a lot of trans in vacation rentals in short term rental houses and we don't know who our neighbors are so how do we address those issues so in that respect  revise plan tries to address those issues and then we talked about you know how can we help to inform the planning commission on how to make decisions that impact our traditional lifestyle so i discuss very briefly the hawaiian sources of law which are constitutional and statutory provisions in and relevant cases that that basically interpret these  laws you know basically these statutes and constitutional provisions protect hawaiian custom and usage and protect certain access rights and western western property constructs are together certain things that are important for the living as well as you know resources that continued to maintain and perpetually cultural practice so as we talked about and we talked about says that show how agencies on the counties and state level need to make decisions we decided that we wanted to include in our eastern policy statement these laws as well as a free market from which to assess customary rights and practices so basically the certain cases sa wriggly regulatory bodies cannot regulate meaning for in rights out of existence to action or inaction they have a constitutional duty to affirmatively protect traditional and customary hoeing rights and whenever a permit comes before them or some kind of proposal agencies have to like the planning commission have to independently assess the tradition and customary hoeing practice is taking place in subject area so that would mean look at the traditional than use overly look at what are doing inventory of what those cultural resources are and practice is evaluate the impacts of our propos action or permit application and how that impacts resources for which in the uniforms depend on and then determine the feasible action to reasonably protect them so that would be true of the conditions that you impose on various permits to protect for example even you know i know many times he's been criminalized is for visiting family family ancient burials on lands that he no longer owns but have a right to access so how do you how do you deal with those situations where hawaiians are being criminalized for mark from the point where the left for saw starts to the top of the mountain numbly why all the sources are freshwater grumman artesian water rivers stream springs including springs along the people however management is based on providing for the benefit of the resources for their own inherent were an intrinsic value knowledge and intellect that is a valuable resource to be peoples because that was research that has to do you know looking at historic properties and culture landscapes and how to work with indigenous peoples as far as it comes on historic preservation which is a guidance document on how to implement the un declaration especially when respect to historic properties the money g i s mapping project and then the chart those charts i showed you guys  that and appendix as well and then we also cited any archaeological report and said we want to include any sites that were identified in various archaeological we also talked about you know the importance of our reefs are open and why and the connection from as well as the people's relationships to these resources we talk about the important values that produce food and that we needed to protect these these places  that there are centuries long multi generational relationships and this this language is pretty much the same from before this lifestyle is special police mountains so we realize that we are vital to the entire island and then we went into public facilities we talked about home th d what was the consensus was i won't put in the statement everybody so i included every one statement or summary of their statement if i had direct quotes from prior meanings i did that with quotation marks so i put all that language in here and then and then i i also summarize site specific concerns why not monologue why not all why not north shore why not come along that's if we're ever going to have a boat and we got our insured that and then the recommendation to the county was do not interfere in our process basically do not  their process and this is part of our you know in looking at the un declaration if called free prior and informed consent is a protocol recognized by the us your united nations declaration on rates of indigenous peoples and and i was also said that even though it's an indigenous process the ocular does not as a modern day best practice we invites input and participation of all people from all races and ethnic groups who reside on more and in their various local so so is utilizing an indigenous important because we're looking at sites like fish ponds under water here all traditional fishing cotton shrines traditional or cultural landscape you know all these things that may be impacted and then the environment and natural resources there were pretty much kept the same language that was in the origin statement and i would maybe me reference to in culture resources and traditional land use is incorporated some of these protective laws and then i included that as well in an appendix  overly and being quite clear that this is actually mahli county planning department had assured this community in two thousand and eight that they would incorporate this overly into our we found like more updated data not on census but on average income so we just put that in and then we kind of we we made the was supposed to put that t v our stuff but i ran our time because of nine thirty so and then then the last section in the legal framework which we discuss the  then the different homeland sources of law and then the summary i didn't really change at all that's basically what i put i mean if i would make additions i would put so tell us what the next step because i like one motion  part of my motion i just would like to say that i read through the ad hoc suggestions too and it seems to me that pretty much the only difference in both of those was the issue and i think the integrity of this presentation doesn't take away from the ad hoc desire to someday have a ramp and i also think that the supporting and supplemental documents and the idea that there are so many different sides and not just like somebody's trying to force this down our throat is just an excellent way of looking at the whole issue received several different versions of the policy statement you have the original one you have one that was one of a previously and he have the one that was presented today my concern is that there has been insufficient time for community input and review as well as a review by this body so i know that you may have been following along with the presentation and the handout but my concern would be that the commissioners themselves haven't had time to be able to analyze this policy statement and how it works or does not work with the body of your community which you work so hard on and there are portions of it that conflict with the body of the community so just as a statement there may be other material in this draft that conflict with county ordinances or state laws so my  my opinion on the document is that it does additional work and i would recommend as i did with the previous western statement that that the planning commission recommended counsel and an east and policy statement be adopted let's be consistent one additional comment regarding the east end policy statement as far as well as the west's as we've noted there's many components both of that are either inaccurate or out of date and absolutely an enforceable by the county and they really do not conform to our regulations to point b which tell us how the community plans have to be written and adopted so these documents as the policy statement in the west and us saying that they do not fit into the county format is in no way trying to invalidate them or say that these community concerns are not valid we're just saying that we have a format box regulations that the county has to follow and the community plan is a county document that receives community and put but it is a county document that has to be implemented by the county so perhaps that use them policy statement as well as the amount of policy statement perhaps those documents are more appropriate outside of the county process perhaps they are maybe the manado can stand stronger and be more authentic as a standalone document finish that this with our culture resources commission they have a list of resource documents that they must be aware of and they must read that that it's required for them to review but they are not necessarily county policy the stem policy statement as was the model loa are they do not conform to county policy in many areas so one recommendation would be that flow for your comments first of all i have one real big problem with being a whole sculpture and being a reference to something that govern the house so i think that though i take your comments at the heart and i  appreciate you guys the idea that this cannot be included in a community plan it may be duplicated outside it may be an additional reference it may come up in a state process also and duplicated time and time and time again but the point being that the more you put it out there the more copies you have the more valid and the more allowable it is for people to see that it's an important part o i also understand that the county this is a county document and you guys won't have jurisdiction you'll find problems with it as you did with the monologue and i respect that i just simply think this in the end that in mind a lot of the essence that are written in both the monologues and when the policies are struggling to maintain that and the said because we were here for us before the laws and before the chapters and before the charters and before all those things so we're not going to sit here disagreeing about that because we've agreed to participate in this in this process and the and that's the right way because ultimately god going decide what happens to all of us no matter what rules we me but i believe that had so much heart and effort being put in by the local community to have a voice in here that if in the end somebody is going to take it all cause it doesn't match up let it not be you and i completely understand and respect those viewpoints this is really this is more addressed to the community with both the east and the western policy statements if they move on from this body commission does not have any further say so with these documents it's going to be the community's responsibility to promote and to advocate for these documents however you may choose to suggest changes to them to the county council but from here on out the mail the county council is overseeing body and that's the body you're going to need to interact with so strongly encourage you to continue your participation  l saying it's up to the community to be involved with that process but at the same time the council can't say what the council is going to do or not do they will come out there will definitely take these policy statements and you know i don't know what they're going to do with them they may accept them adopt them they may reject them they may put them in some other kind of part of the plan they may not end up being a part of the plan i cannot say what the council is going to do or what not to do they will come up with other issues that nobody has thought of yet u ltimately they are the adopting body and they will adopted by ordinance i think everybody should just be aware it's an entirely different body with an entirely different viewpoint and that's the way the system is designed is through through many phases of the communities in many phases through professional planners and ultimately to your elected officials and so everybody should just be aware that and be involved in the process here after i area i belong to the hippo family who's been out here for a long time i just want to let you guys know that now after we do this you guys got to make the effort to help us out ok we doing this for you guys so you guys got to make the effort in attending and letting stephanie know stacey that you guys want this plan suggest that you go through the recommendations one at a time and then allow us to either vote or make a motion or not ok so the following comments in testimony are offered on behalf of them and i community as a companion piece to their proposed march twenty sixth in revision to the east and policy statement this testimony reflects issues policies and action items to fit within the to four hundred fifty eighty showing that was not a is where our ancestors first settled it has the most critical natural resources including the water it is made up of four major valleys with between three to five million gallons of pristine rivers water flowing through these valleys every day feeding the rich estuaries and near shore fisheries in addition to the multitude of intact terraces in addition when i as abundance of water on the north shore find its way to the south shore through underground tunnel systems and springs providing for the ideal patches rich forest streams and springs again i'm going to voice a concern about traditional land use overlay and similar to other things that we've always in the existing community plans there are over six hundred implementing actions i cannot guarantee should the should this commission vote to recommend approval that's you know that's fine if a county council adopts  spine amongst the hundreds of other things that are charged to be done i can't say where this is going to come on any priority list in other words  there are many things from the past plan that have never been done i'm i'm concerned about adding more things that may never be time who will and a concern on my end would be that there is currently no definition swear that type of land designation or category so that with we need to be one of the things that would be done to be able to make that phrase meaningful national historical park national park service department of land and natural resources the community and other stakeholders to a conduct archeological studies the conduct invasive species removal and c implement traditional uses of the val would suggest that you change that to a policy you have a now is he ok so i want to make a motion to approve that we add additional policy to three dash twelve motion raise your right heard all those opposed motion carried final report subsistence as a viable sector of monaco is economy subsistence practices on locally have continued into today primarily due to the availability of renewable and natural resources with more look at his history of years of macroeconomic strategies that have had a negative implication on one of his natural resources a native ecosystems in addition to recognizing more locally subsistence economy it is equally important to carefully move forward with future endeavors to develop and diversify commercial use is not a protected public trust us additionally as public and private interests often conflict the state has a constitutional obligation to weigh competing interests in public trust resources with a presumption in favor of public trust use access an enjoyment in order to ensure more look at a subsistence economy remains its viable and remains viable and ensure the road character of my error much remains intact it is critical to ensure that the continuous development of  economy is done in a way that is in accordance with the state's affirmative obligation on the north shore this area boundary was chosen since the lands contained within that area match the east walk a planning region and are similar in actual use ownership today and match them up match the community life style recommendation six point two among peachtree include tax related issues on page sixty four to read as follows amongst other issues the increase in land tax has and continues to create financial hardships for owner is usually able to manage any increase in taxes whereas the quit on a foreigner often is not quite a title actions and the inability for quickly on the land owners to bring together multiple undivided interest has caused a shift in the demographics where there are more nonresidents purchasing relist the on want to pay and establishing and driving up and home values this also drives up property taxes and forces out remaining families living on their lines and lands it has also been creating  vacation rental scheme where people don't know who their neighbors are and public beach accesses are blocked because there are numerous amounts of these issues are magnified this unique issue can bind with the conventional state wide problems of land tax and development produces hurdles over which response for land use and assessment becomes a problem tax burdens on land owners must be alleviated  break this down and make it a more simplified target the main issue and maybe make a couple of issues as opposed to having so much of the explanatory part just so that we know that you know what i because i kind of get lost in the supporting verbiage as opposed to the tax i mean is there yeah i think that's a great you want to work on that and we come back to it at the end  community so putting them in the community plan is not able to result in the action that you're seeking so the vehicle would be lobbying your county council for that relief recommendation six point three i'm on page three and in additional issue in section six point one six eight there are potential future impacts from sea level rise to existin i'm just thinking that if you see a plan for that people might take it as we're looking at one specific thing but if we see it address then we're looking at multiple i mean it doesn't yeah ok now only to make a motion to approve with the recommendation commissioners saying then all those in favor of a stay with the right had no security recommendation six point four two add the following policy to section six one d on page six dash nine develop a climate change policy an adaptation plan to address rising sea levels and beach front housing and development in money so i agree she but she beat me to the draw so we did the whole thing or did you just read the first one to me i just read the first  ok so there's a motion by ok yes you did yes well because i saw it you know you would change the wording there and there's been a second by lords commissioners and a discussion i wonder because i know i'm reading in levy a tax burden so the county has a resolution of educating this issue where you can be exempt and so i'm wondering if when you put in the issues is not necessarily  i don't think is necessarily no account a county issue saw i don't take it all but i do know that the county has measures through to cool down a tax resolution to address this if you want call my family gone through that through to and we did it through all is clear here anyway it go through all her and they'll set it to set you up in doing they only need a couple of five different things that they need ok next fun so it's another policy to be added identify and protect minorities numerous cultural and natural resources the adoption of a traditional land use overlay designation the boundaries of the overlay should be from a lab on the south shore adoption of this t l you overlay means that any proposed development in mind i should be aligned with the data and community recommendations from them and i j s mapping project and the traditional cultural practices report for i and addition this area should allow for traditional hawaiian culture structures to allow people to live in the sensitive areas to take care of them category of land use designation to be titled traditional land  this if this doesn't even exist in our document all commissioners all voice my previous comments i don't know where this is i'm i'm not sure we can implement this i know what it's something that the community would like to see in their plan i just can't say that we can implement this and where it's going to come in the the competing  list of implementing actions that are going to come in you know the other seven community plans that have implementing actions to do one thing i would say is that there's quenya stuff in these documents that don't get implemented i mean if you look at the last community plan that was written fifteen years ago and look at it now what it's been implemented there's tons of stuff that doesn't get implemented but the point is that it's on the record  the other thing i would say is that i know there's policies or actions i think in both the land use section that's awk about looking at the existing community plan doesn't nations and the county zoning and recommending zoning adjustments it's kind of with this next section i have that language in there but if and when that ever happens that's when the foot come into play to do again so my thought is the flight that you know and not this in time but i don't want to waste their time either if we're not going to meet an actual traditional land use be valid in our plan then we shouldn't even waste their time in india i'm suggesting that those policies or stuff be included because there's a right no there's no such thing the only place it exists is in the east in policy statement that we included that is a sub area description but it doesn't have any substance in the plan to be implemented if we don't create a  category i think you just think along the same lines if this commission wishes to they can offer some thoughts on what such a land overlay would consist of what are the some guidance as perhaps just to finish a thought i'm not saying this is an important concept i'm not saying that all land use protections i think are extremely important and you have such a rich culture and an understanding of where you come from and where you want to go that so i recognize the importance of this what i'm saying as our community plans have piled over the decades have piled so many to do's into it and so many of them are worthy that we do not have the money of the resources in order to implement all of these things so i cannot say where this is going to come and where the the finances or the resources are  come in order to do this so i'm just i'm trying to you know once this plan is adopted there is no promise of when or where this is ever going to be implemented or when this would start customary right which are constitutionally and statutorily required so for example if some kind of building was erected or proposed to be erected i the county and the planning commission to make sure that they are fulfilling their fight to share your responsibilities so i think all that matters is to kind of if this is a in overl communities each community can begin to you know in future planning scenarios look at certain areas where that overly exists so that the commission give me well informed decision thing correct me if i'm wrong but i think didn't we with that same language just a few minutes ago expanded to all now if what i saw in the older map that walter showed us two weeks ago there is traditional use going on in areas that's already been zoned and development so now if we apply the sears and there is some tea leaf in the landscaping in you from that does probably fully develop the land so there are certain protections as different cases interpret these laws because there has to be a balance and article post action seven talks about the government has a right to reasonably regularly these rights but they can't regulate them out of existence ok support the identification and protection of minorities know most cultural and at some point hope that we can come up with a statement that includes the the whole i ok so i'm should tell you you on the motionless to to adopt this traditional land use overlay but there was no motion to adopt the additional language that harmony rate you don't need to put in an action to us to change it because we are really us off we already decided as a commission that we adopted a new language category no we definitely did it the other way larry was probably my fault but i just felt that we needed to actually have a category in order to address that the bottom up peachtree so what we did was adopt the new land use designation first then we approve the bottom of page three and then i  i just have a suggestion i think the lead agency wouldn't be the planning department would be to departmental finance real property tax e you know that kind of stuff and while i'm thinking is there someplace else like you have it written in your money on a policy is there someplace else that we can look at putting some kind of  wording in there as opposed to that would support the type of zoning or land use that isn't in the mountain areas as opposed to like singling out that you know like houses in the  but i'm not sure we could add it into the plan as it's written on the on here i'm not sure i would be comfortable of a couple of problems with that just as it's drafted i think i understand the intent but because it's vague you know determine an acceptable policy is it's just a it's not  it's not a good action item perhaps that could be better as a policy have a concern with the divisions up here too like you get the whole division over everybody's landlock so they come to our commission trying to figure out all of the impossible problems so that maybe it's an issue in the housing area reasonable statement because we know we have a housing policy of the county of mali and we know that with regards to subdivision approvals of different kinds that that's a policy that the council as we know is looking at they make they're considering even revisions to it i'm not quite sure of all the details of that but as we look at what acceptable policies are we first have to look at the carrying capacity of this small crew for example and so if we have a determine other  important component such as natural resources cultural resources water whatever those those critical factors are let alone the need for such type of housing and subdivisions to begin with that is clearly part of the community's determination for comedic design based on what they want to see in this smoke then yes it is important to have acceptable policies regarding what these subdivisions are what they look like and how they interact with in our community and of course  that's not going to say that we that this from what i understand is meant to change any existing county laws in your store state laws that matter regarding building codes or anything like that but  definitely what the subdivisions look like as far as community that's what i understand so maybe my issue is i would like to see that we determine acceptable policies regarding the whole upon policy already and that would be my problem i saw i agree that it's an issue i agree that we gotta do something a bottom but i think the phrase develop or determine acceptable policies suggests that we already have guidelines to follow which we don't so maybe we leave out a do make it up first i would agree with that one though and then and the reason i would is that for example kill on a cause i was one of them is not mistaken and i may be correct it is only c p r condominium type of development that happened it happened in our community right next door and there's a critical waste water management issues with regard to that there's density issues there where there's a lot of issues in whether that project even was in the best interest of the community as well as that unfortunately there's a lot of our local people living there those homes were not initially affordable to our community so i goes back to the whole argument of what is really affordable housing and so this is a quite bigger issue and i so i would agree with you along those lines want to support it but i think i need a little bit more idea on what is the acceptable what is a perimeter and then consistent with the rest of the character of the police oh i don't know if some of the criteria has to be sorta like we're not going to do this sort of mis mix and match spot zoning where the uses seem to be incompatible with each other i don't like a standard or can be developed from that but also we're looking at traditional ma subdivisions so could it be relevant in in in a position in the plan that says something like become a policy that says that we want to support the existing lang use designation on locally that any development is supported by the land use this i mean because the community agreed on the land use designations we have now could that be st right so you don't even have those dozen nations out here for any kind of density  from long ago so i think i would i would have to do the research to  if somebody wanted to do something more dense or for agriculture there would be one i don't think the community would appreciate it very much but also and i mean that you know it would be plenty opinions come out in public testimony and whatever but that huge public process to do that and i just can't even imagine any council supporting that second thing i mean i can appreciate determining an acceptable policy i don't know what the goal of that policy is for if we could support a statement like this if it says what the policy is for is it for ok ok will say which is was one of my points is that we are in a critical wastewater management area we know that we have here half acre rural subdivision rules on the books and so you really have a lot of one structure etc with accessory structure now they have that kind of high density but i think what i'm understanding from what really is saying is that it's important to look at what those subdivisions are as far as a policy because is it that the current designation we have good enough and we consider these other  impacts in comparison to places like you want to cry and that all those are all designations and without looking at the map i think i believe all or most of those designations are in the special management area so requires a public hearing requires informally it requires any developer to come to the community and talk story there's lots of protections in that and they have to deal by state law they have to deal with cultural resources they would have to deal with what lines they would have to deal with shoreline access state they have to deal with all these things it's not ok i'm really good just different for now because i don't think  six seven added action to tables six point three m page six dash fifteen for the east and more k e s stablished the cap on t v r s four ok as i say  charged with enforcing against illegal rentals so people should be calling us and other people to like turn in their neighbor but you are the eyes and ears here so we'll just for my information before i make a statement on this for the for the places where they do have kept how did how does the council determine what that number i can never mean to take all the time it was the cap came out of a s study i forget who did the study as some ousts was the that i would be to put a cap on the entire island and while my thought on that is giving five vacation rentals on one i right but say the research came through and said that the entire island only warranted seven then what those would be put down where we already have the resort designation on another site is a false two i mean i don't five is a lot and i'm just i'm just wondering if you being gracious with the five well that's why i wasn't putting a number because the idea is there are other places in ma we do only ones in our county that don't have a cap so i'm reluctant to put a number on the cap because if  it does that mean you can't have twenty because it's a resort district so when those applications come up testify in opposition to them or council members council member to set a cap to introduce an ordinance to set a cap on to start that process quicker what i'm suggesting is that the community plan isn't the vehicle to accomplish the goal so you're suggesting that instead of approving the cap at all that we said that we support support establishing a cap on the island of after study or even just establish a cap for those rebels then we have the planning commission  only three more that we haven't touched yet so i'm to page five of recommendation one point one and then policy nine on page nine dash four to include the following additional language support and expand the state knowledge of the trail system by considering such as ignition for all traditional trails and including a coastal trail system move to approve i like that these cabins would be multi purpose hunters can use them to access areas with a high concentration of undulates that they cannot reach within a day's hike we need to stay overnight to continue to hunt and bring the animals down the mountain the second purpose is to conduct conservation work such as monitoring removal of invasive species of sabotaging new strands of native plants and maintenance of trails and cultural sites i'm sorry i cannot i just i cannot support this as it is with i don't think it's within the county's jurisdiction to build those cabins and i just i just mean they just need to be educated playing a little bit more i see that this is a good valid point in your money in policy statement but going forward i'm not sure how private landowners will be forced to build a cabin in the mall area for anybody to use so i'm just i'm just thinking  going over and dishing to it and i i i just wouldn't support it like to do this but it's really intended for state let me move to approve recommendation one point to add policy to nine dash seven that read encourage the state to install cabins on state lands and then the rest as written near a couple of comments a community plan is not the place to create state or county law you need to those activities should exist in the proper and everything in this recommendation is not proposing any no law is just fighting to existing laws yes just to provide that ordered agencies and governmental entities have to implement this law and provide policies so it's actually creating a standard operating procedure by which  probably the better realm for that direction in following the laws that already exist but putting it into a community plan is an awkward place unless you're trying to offer just an additional those are included in the plan so i would reference this is a reference document attached to the plan rather than incorporated into the plan so it's a basically it's a list of reference documents and laws that you're attaching to the plan plan for me to fall critical because all it is is saying what actually is so while all these going around the state educating people to this were ahead of the game we're actually putting it in our plan so we were like but you guys are doing today all day today it's like yeah because if it's correct is the truth is the right thing to do so to to start hiding this thing was said or sub given the power that you have here today to make something that this community wants and give other guy that we got to go lobby next year and all that kind of stuff to me is just punting the ball and i was so glad today that you guys are not doing any punting whatsoever ok so i like to make a motion ok my second motion would be to add in an action item as recommended by corporation counsel in the table encourages the training and i forget what you said use this as an example to say that sometimes all we really need is to be heard and the beauty that happened in this commission process was that people got to be heard and i just really our commission and i even though you know we were at odds sometimes with our planning stuff on timing and them getting here kind of bottom of my heart i just think that you guys have allowed to proceed as we did because it  plans the only as good as our integrity and are only as good as enough that our foundation is in god when we forego those things nothing we write on paper even means anything so i just because i'm not going to apologise for what would happen at the monday night meeting on behalf of those guys because that would degrade in them but i don't say to my family i fit generation from this this this plea we were raised on love and passion and i apologize only to god that sometimes our passion and our our intentions are less th n appropriate to shine he is light in his understanding to this world and so as we go forward i know i don't miss this commission and i and i'm going to miss sitting in this seat but i will promise that if all of us in the vigil of the keep pushing with god as our foundation and love for each other as our motivation we will be able to accomplish the impossible and i just want to thing everybody for that thank you i'm going to be issue i really really a there was a mostly by the shadow is there a second i think i have a second by doug and a further comment i'd just like to say you guys being new at this and coming back with a bag a leg and really knowing what the hell went on for five weeks i want to wish you all a happy easter thank you very much motion carried being injured i took