s a crime it requires serious reasons to believe that the petitioner committed the crime in question a probable cause standard the statute uses the term serious two times two layers of of the property the length of the sentence the usual punishment in the united states for comparable crimes and there the robbery involved a quite a lot of money a one thousand over twelve thousand cuban  the crime was planned several weeks in advance it involved the petitioner there entering the property with confederates midnight to steal a great deal of money from a business and was sentenced to fifteen story about the ideas was a mother and somebody else is highly improbable but whether that is or not the reality is that after he does lying having committed the crime a mexican proud says one of the factors that is what's the length of the sentence but also asks as almost a balancing act well what would the length of the sentence for that be in the united states and here the crime of which m convicted was essentially a simple past you know he referred to it as robbery but his testimony testimony he did state that the crime did not involve the taking of property with force or fear which are the typical don't i don't quite understand you so robbery the generic elements of robbery generally include the taking of property from a person with you using force or property isn't it not according to the model penal code and the bay of the pinion and ballast regard model penal code to find simple fast as the taking of property of another with intent to either totally or partially which almost exactly matches up perfectly with the robo statute at issue here which is simply the taking of property  says well he was convicted of that which needs to me that he thought well maybe he wasn't that credible and and and on that point i find that not credible so i'm not sure what to do with writing things right at the beginning credible on the period and then them out differently your honor i think the way to reconcile that is to observe that the immigration judge treated the conviction as determinative and did not the language of the immigration judge's order reveals that the immigration judge found that he was convicted of a serious nonpolitical crime and therefore that was the end of the it extinguished just doesn't he was in the united states he wasn't available to them to sir this is basically the equivalent of somebody going in and asking for an expungement of the penal part they did is the upshot it's far as i've seen reason is the upshot was they didn't say you didn't commit the crime they said you're not going to have to go to jail and he said it also said that he declared absolutely free on the doctrine applies an immigration court matter and if the immigration court did not rely on the reasoning advance of the government and didn't address the prescription document at all  if you will a complete obliteration of the trial and the appeal record that doesn't change the bag if you believe that he committed a serious nonpolitical crime right crimes we're going to lower the sentence down to something less than a year our court has insisted he said that doesn't change our view of whether the time as originally stablished was of course that's the real encourage here is the problem because of the commission of a crime and suss what the i j a means when he says all material aspects are honor and that's also why a paragraph later or two paragraphs later immigration judge refers to the conviction as providing the say as i described earlier that the immigration judge did find professional credible in the sense that the conviction occurred and was a affirmed on appeal and that conviction therefore provides enough evidence commission of a crime nor i think that's the way to make it work the robo was you know i think that's the best way to describe it your honor obviously the best or uses the word robbery and dollars to work or see us for common words like that we don't necessarily just take them on face value but we should look to what happened and the fact that he value of the genes your honor says it's about five thousand pesos not that much money but again i think part of this is the context and the record page fifty seven indicates that i have five to six thousand pesos what i'm paid for almost three years of college tuition so five thousand dollars pesos three hundred dollars not merit that might not seem like much to us perhaps but in mexico and might be a large amount of money and perhaps that is part of the explanation for the link the science and related involves a very substantial amount of the i a e a says but by comparison it's not that much different than the amount here and i'd also like to return to the standard of review question your honor the the standard overview for whether this is a serious of course is a relatively low partial of runner and then compounded by the different standard of would be able i think the only other issue that is in the case your honour's a claim and i think the briefing and that's consistent with the palace or garcia case that stated that if it's an extremely large amount of money for a robbery or a financial crime it might qualify but here there's just nothing