snow was in the process of divorce and we read about it in the new york herald tribune why would the divorce be in the new york herald tribune you know the sale of the problem think anyway that's how it came about being up here let's start little farther back when we were born nine hundred twenty three and beacon new york where'd you go to school well the grade school was in call grammar school which is called new jersey and then i went to the same school and i went up through the seventh grade and i had hundred thirty seven my father died and they sent me well i should say sent off i went to mcdonogh school in mcdonogh maryland which is near owings mills approximately ten miles west of baltimore and this was a i look back at that been a really great great experience besides the education we had baseball football pol nd then my brother lloyd burned her grow he just died three weeks ago at eighty eight and that's all you had was a brother  yes so after so the next question is how did you meet your wife well i mentioned we went to school in call well and i met emily in the seventh and what's her maiden name her name was emily smith you propose to read seventh grade i didn't get around to it at that time because you did that well they sent me they sent me to baltimore to school so i used to see emily on school vacations and in the summer and then the war came along and i spent three years and nine hundred forty six when i got out no i got out forty brother her brother it was going to come up here of a she said all know we're going to have it in montclair at home so we were marching glen ridge new jersey  while you were in the military you were in the marines right is and you were in for three years yes what the year did you serve in the pacific and what camp which is an eight week process they wanted me to stay on for a drill instructor and i was through the summer of one nine hundred forty three it was the hottest summer i can remember and in the meantime they were forming up in the west coast they were forming up the fourth marine division and that was it camp pendleton and as oceanside california and i figured i might as well stick my head up because i wanted to get out of the south carolina so but i got i had to go across the country we pulled into salt lake city and there was a salvation army they were on the platform had coffee don never forgot how long were you in the south pacific well we were at camp pendleton for a while but i can't recall exactly but  we shipped out of out of san diego and this had a bit in forty four and we went to the well we went to pearl harbor and then over to  thousand feet on maui and we had a tent camp there and that's where most the training took place and our first venture was in the spring or mid summer to the johnson islands in the pacific now where those american islands are no the japanese control and we got it got through that one and then we went back to maui and then next thing you know we're going to the  guam and that venture took quite a while because i think it took over a month to secure site pan now were you on the frontlines or were you know at that time i was in motor transport which was drive a truck and so on and i got a call from from someone and headquarters and told me to go up to see them and general schmidt needed a driver and whatever you call a bodyguard descent or whatever you want to call it but that's when i got connected with general schmidt and he was the commanding general of the fourth marine division and now did you drive way out in the field or were you just you know well if you had one sentence to say about the time you spent in the south pacific what would what would it be you know you had walls because between each one of these a p a which was a command ship that's normally the one the general would ride on the a p a and then you had the navy that would escort you to all the way down to each one of these places they would run destroyers on the outskirts and they would in the front and in the rear so we had pretty good protection from duties required him to move frequently in areas under enemy fire to deliver messages and to drive the commanding general and visiting officials on inspection trips to forward areas now the forward areas would be where there was front line front lines and where there was military fighting going on right now did you ever get shot at yes but where we could we would dig a hole and then she picked me up and went to andover so we were in and over that was the first place i landed after the industry those andover mass how long after you got out of the military did you and then i got out so if you were out of a lot of part of forty five so what did you do when you got out of the military would you do for work well i had a accepted to go in the fall but we came up here in the summer of forty five i'm losing track of my dates  and i think i was forty six we came up here so that's when this property that we're on now came available and so i scratched university and mass and we bought the property and we reactivated the underhill ski able we started that back up the winner of forty s and we really wanted to use the property for a camp boys and eventually girls too which is called camp mansfield my mother was specialise in what they call in remedial reading which is now dyslexic so we ran a camp mansfield from up until  rude and after he got i he used to come up your skin and mickey would come up in look at our equipment and i think he was an engineer by trade guess what he went over there put up his own roto hole but i i say to this day that's where mickey learned how to rig up a rope and you had a rope told here yes that's how we to put up a lift go where it is now but during a war it all stopped and we picked it up back in forty six and started it up again now do you ski  not today lady i interviewed last month said she gave it up at eighty nine because when she felt that she couldn't get back up again she knew she was she was ready to be done with it i think we skied up until we that was the mansfield yeah because my mother wanted to take students in the summertime and that was all boys mansfield campus all boys yeah but i'll bet you leave she had some girls also but the majority were boys and they were all there for to learn  where junior high went to set for vermont i worked for mr sergeant a couple summers up there and everything was by hand and that was back in the thirt probably used three machines and this worked out pretty good but eventually we figured milk was about ten dollars a hundred and you can make any money and pay the grain and so on so we decide brief program down or i think we donated forty five head of her food if you had to tell kids today something about white and and how to live what would you tell them where i was i would recommend that they really get an education and if you can go to college do it my brother came out of the service and a he enrolled in the university armani came out of an engineer and had a very successful and other than that way education would be the greatest thing they could do  he's retired now but he was on a boat like captain phillips he was yeah oh that's a that's interesting subject but we're going to waive that but bill our son went through a mass maritime and when he graduated exon picked up and he progressed up through the ranks and he became a captain on board ship and interesting thing is that mr phillips was two years behind bill in school and bill remembers him because they used to have these you know those military down there and they used to make them do things or run and i was quite an experience because we had to to go the west side pick up the ship because they come and down from alaska a little low toll will and then they go through the canal and up into into texas so we had to go to the west side and then take a lighter out to the to the tanker and then they throw a rope ladder over the side said just get on a rope ladder and come up mom i said emily when you get on a real blood or just keep going because of the lighter