veterans breakfast at the beach street center that's wednesday november eighth and nine thirty to ten thirty am as a thank you to our local veterans the belmont council on aging is hosting the annual veterans breakfast free for veterans so again one thirty of the doors open at nine am you can meet belmont veteran service officer bob upton council on aging staff and local representatives over coffee and breakfast about one hill schools be flats will perform a help serve the meal breakfast is limited to seventy five so please call six one seven nine one three two nine seven zero to reserve your sci fi wednesday november first and should know this event is generally sick generously sponsored by east cambridge saving there are also several meetings coming up in the belmont high school of building committee just had a community meeting on october twenty eighth on saturday and the next one is i'm sorry december twelfth at seven pm at the high school so it's the next high school building committee community meeting  as you mentioned it's broken up into various aspects throughout the year a preliminary and then you know after final actual audit which again you mentioned the fiscal seventeen audit actually started today and what that involves when you look through the whole set of financial statements realistically us as the audit firm the only thing that we own in this report is the independent auditors report everything else is management's  information and accounting for essentially budgetary and all other funds and monies of the town whether it be federal funding state funding what have you and the opinion is essentially your auditors independent unbiased representation that the financial statements are accurate and complete as well as in compliance with generally accepted accounting principles so our main focus our job if you will is to come in review the information review the underlying in supporting documentation to all the facts and figures within the financials and essentially be able to a pine on them that also have to conduct what we call a single out and review the accounting for and the compliance with federal procedures related to all the federal funds that comes into the community and is subsequently spent by the community as part of that we have to do a review of the internal controls surrounding the revenue cycle od the expenditure cycle payroll cycle journal entries cycle them the main cycles of the community in the accounting side to assure that we wiil again the information is flowing from source documents into alleges correctly that department heads ali are also looking and utilizing from an auditor standpoint are deemed important enough to take a look at and maybe make some policy changes throughout the community but the with the two items that you do not want to see in your report are significant deficiencies and or know your treasurer's office maintains various bank accounts again some that have a lot of activity maybe like your depository your payroll and your vendor accounts the rest witness yes i think the town of belmont and your collector's office does a wonderful job and they're first rate collections and following up with residence to try to  construction in process for projects that are so our money's being spent on them currently which have not ultimately been put in use yet as if we were building a brand new school in let's suggest that it did not open on september not was still being worked on all the expenditures related to the building and main you know why building in construction of that school would be considered construction in progress  i can give you a quick explanation because it's really not going to so that sold this category of assets is never really going to come to fruition in a bank account joint is doing within the town what this  as you mentioned upfront that this is a full pool statement so because of that the net pension liability under gadsby sixty eight reporting two years ago had to be brought on to the financial statements as a result when your actuary every two years does a new valuation as a result of conduct neville you ation there are certain assumptions that are made each time a valuation is done what we expect to make for investment income what the cost of living adjustments what salary increases as examples what the actuaries required to do each time a new valuation is is produced is look back at previous assumptions and quantify so if they for an example made an assumption that we're going to earn six percent on our investments and we really only are in the for they the funding schedule and such for net pension liability is based on earning that that you know six percent interest so if we only are in for come the next valuation that actuary has to quantify what would've we have made if we did earn six what do we make it for and what they call they have to essentially capitalise it as a deferred outflow and it gets pushed through pension expense and so it's really a counting  on the full girl bases that doesn't really impact the town on a day to day basis other than that we know these liabilities exist in they have you know there is a mandate to fund the pension and correct accounts payable zz i it's referred to as warren's payables you know in the municipal arena it's essentially a bill roll of i could be utility bills it could be want to havea build operating bills town is self insured what happens is i fall and in hurt my leg on the way out of here it's night led suggest and the time that it takes a clane to go from the town through your and your third the going through the the third party administrator for claims so that was an estimate greg based on historical experience and trying to yes it is yes it is in the third party ministry to provide some information based on because market years ago we used to use all two to three months claims at a time because of the lag get into a system with so much alike trying now and everything being down on line those claims are down to could be for the hit on the of the accrual for landfill and other polls employment benefits net pension liability compensated absences so a word so this statement is full of girl and what we would call the worst case accounting for the cruel as that are occurring on this statement because it's a full of cruel statement so it's accounting for the expenses being recognized for the landfill for the net pension liability the of the post employment benefits to name a line what transfers debt means is i when you when you all of voting the budget there's indirect transfers coming from the various enterprises and such so this is the this shows you that to the right of the total call that would have to come to zero on your friend and just shows crude expenses on this statement that are not day to day operations that cash flow is not occurring in fiscal sixteen or seventeen it's it's letting you know what the town has op against and what you have to plan yes yes so that said no so quick a quick overview would be that a proprietary fund is object is encompassing the funds in which as mr williams up front he mentioned that we up pine on the light plant as well however we have to refer to the other auditor's rod that audit the light plant so the whole reporting entity is essentially the town and all of the business type enterprises of the community which does include a life plan right now that second paragraph keeping in mind that the three of us are responsible for financial report talk about see which is the measurement focus government wide financial statements are reported using the economic resources measurement focus and the a cruel basis of regulates the types of investments that the communities can get into oz so a lot of the types of investments said might cause problems or have valuation issues they did mass general allowed to invest in story correct so there are statutory rules as well as the town has their own investment policy as you suggest that further limits or dictates what markets and how prudent you know that the town would like to see their treasurer clearly safety and liquidity as is first and you know trying to earn thirty percent would be secondary  let's go to page thirty eight in the town's investments this is the town's investments answer and then with regard to the retirement system as we said what this document reports is the town plus the major component in the retirement system is the major component so here you our portfolio at the bank we had we had two billion dollars but million chunks and you know so there was so something went wrong it wasn't like a fifty million dollars problem it was a seventy minute so we don't have a concentration of credit risk so here's the retirement system and this is a good footnote because it shows you the total investment that shows you where they are a better report or more capital assets on board for this is this shows the capital asset for the year ended june thirty sixteen so it might be interesting to look at that all right we're going to keep racing along here short term financing that we get the total short term debt the bands the twenty six for that's what mark was talking about in the floyd what was the number that we got  liabilities look at government activity you can see where the problems lie the challenges lie thank you  a landfill closure this is no ten you might remember that that seven and a half million is a liability on the balance sheet fifteen and  old rules so this accounting here is what we call under gadsby forty five so to make this in it really easy the top line in the schedule the reaffirmed do is called in you will required contribution the actuary would bob produce a valuation that says based on the demographics of your plan and the members and the type benefits we expect them to have here's how much you should be paying each year to ultimately fully fund your or your other post employment benefits however currently in massachusetts there is no mandate to fund other post employment benefits so under gaz you forty five reporting the difference between the required contribution being the arc and the actual contributions on what we call up age you go method that delta is you only piece of the liability that has been required to be quantified on the coming out and when they were implementation day is not i'm not every gadsby is going to materially impact the financials for fiscal seventeen what we have is gadsby seventy four because the town has  as you all here we've been speaking of open all the balls employment benefits quite a bit tonight because the town has an other post employment benefits trust fund and you've been the town has been started to accumulate assets to alleviate or you know plan for this this liability in the future gadsby seventy four comes into play and when you look back if we were to take financials from let's say three years ago for the pension footnote  what we have now and if we compared this year's being fiscal sixteen's financial other polls employee benefit footnote to what you're going to see in the new set of financials it's going to increase to all three pages of disclosures it's just a lot of different ah what if so and that type of thing for the the opeth there they're really going down the same road as they did for the pension system and the rest of them the ability to a community just as each and every one of us when we're looking at our own finances at home we're always going to dip into our savings account at some point in time for maybe an unforseen expense or that thing what the rating agencies look for and i think the town's ability to maintain their aaa rating is that you're always getting your peb and your should be pension valuations done every two years so that you have current information to make management decisions when you utilize whether it be some overlay from assessing or some free cash to balance the budget there's always the plan of how do we now replenish those fons and that's what the rating agencies a looking for they understand that there's ups and downs as unforseen things occurring but they're looking for management cohesiveness and policies and procedures to show here's i we're going to maintain our friend and jewels and moving forward generally speaking when we when we meet with the audit committee the town's debt or yearly debt expenditures are in the let's call it mid fours to five percent which will start to creep up with the substation in other things you know that's that's a could be considered maybe even a tiny bit low at this point process forward thinking and fund balance policies and that type of thing of which the town about one you know has many different committees that talk about the various aspects that impact our financials in the finances of the town and they are i find the town of belmont to be very proactive in that respect and or that you know again job from a an auditing standpoint as well as a  a rating agency stand plain again to maintain your aaa we feel that the town of doing a lot of the right things that you should be doing manager it's heavily involved in always looking forward to better than you know better then you can share with there you go ok so you guys are cutting into the financial statement time i gave i graciously gave up fifteen minutes but that's because the community is concerned about this rat be included that in there yeah and we want to hear from you if you want to hear from the top guns on what what can be done and so you're not so much speaking to us as you are speaking to the public and i invite you to tell us what to think and what to do well i'm actually going to yield the microphone to the powers that be these two gentlemen jay and west have been working diligently at getting us to not only multiple possible solutions but i've actually put one in place ok so i'm certainly here to support  answer any questions from the policy side but i'll leave it to jay and wes to tell you where we are and where we're going ok sent the health department is not directly under our purview we'll offer you the courtesy of the first comment so since rats were first discovered at joey's park we've been working closely with the department of public works to find a safe and and swift resolution to this issue  jay markov director of public works can fill you in on more details in terms of what exactly is being done but where we're spawning as we have been responding since the beginning of the spring to numerous phone calls regarding rat sightings threa there it's it was it was a number one thing that phyllis and i were concerned about when we were trying to rectify this issue was that it was at a park with very popular parking lots of children lots of interaction with  kids going up and down all these structures so we want to make sure that we were use in the use safest possible method we could so this gels applied it irritates the rats and makes some i guess their whole other burrow for the traps were set throughout and they're checked every other day i do not have a number as to how many so far but there has been some we're going to be doing this for about three to four weeks until the promise rectified in this time we've also gone to town field on a known site there and they're working on a call for us to start that process and while we're at it we said let's look at all the parks so we are actively trying the joys park will be the first and see how that goes  town feel i do believe are still there but we are going to go hand in hand with when they go in now to do their job will take the barrel and that is the update today which you gentlemen and the town needs to realize is that several different approaches were looked at and it inexpensive you know well will bait a few things and call it a day and then we had the very gold standard which spoke about earlier that came in at about fifteen grand the thing where they were going to be basically both are fairly well apparently there's a bit of a subway system under there these guys are pretty good at making tunnels and they would be pouring cement blocks and eccentric cetera jay and wes have picked out one that is extremely user friendly take account as he said the fact that we have children we have at six it'll be laying out poison throughout having said that this is not a guarantee think this is the first appropriate attempts to be able to get a handle on th things like guys it's time to get the compost piles out of there too but lids on your garbage cans eccentric cetera they're not going away they have been here for a while we actually have been interned in the office who has done an excellent job of tracking and helping to educate about the rats and we have a right map so people should call us and tell us where their sightings are which initially sounds kind of funny but the truth is that we can see where the concentrations are and it's important to put it out there that the main concentration is not around cushing village everybody thinks that these rats are coming because they're digging up cushing village and that is absolutely not the case that we're seeing a good concentration on beach street we're seeing concentrations up around pleasant street except such an excellent question i mean i actually said the jay just in the hallway i'm a little surprised we haven't seen burrows in p q because that would be a natural choice but you know you have an awful lot of food in the beach street area you know you've got several pizza shops and you've got the movie theater with popcorn and eccentric sucher and food is out there and these guys are just looking for their homes they also can go through the sewer systems you heard about a neighbor of mine that  bedroom community on the and we're right next to a city with a charles river i mean you walk along these rats are there and we're you know the best tool that we have is educating the public i know that sounds trite but you kno while the highway department to get information about what to do right contact the health department is we really do want to track this i mean that as i said it sounds comical but it's important to track where this is going jay and i were again talking out this has got to be a line item in his budget you know because we we just can't allow the few to affect the many in this regard you know if the as you said ten people the neighborhood of behaving in ones keeping an open compost pile and  purpose glenn is not involved in this but he always tells me he's got like fourteen thousand agents out in town because people call him up so i suggest you know if you see people dumping trash or you see people with open tryst barrels make a phone call give us a chance to do something  we have materials they've actually been i mean one of the things that's great is that they've been calling the office i mean as you just heard wes and his merry men will and women will go anywhere yeah ok when there is a call so as far as going to their house and say ok this is an active borough or an active borough this is what you need to be doing to mitigate it and while the west is there and you've done it my neighborhood as well is you talk to the neighbors as well i mean we found how many compost piles in my neighborhood but they are well  and i decided last tuesday and everybody else was absent that you put the flyers out in all the precincts all the the the ratatouille fire was sent out from mostly our from the health departments  n you didn't put it only enjoys park you put it everywhere else that that has not been done and the the flyer the excuse me the information letter that was sent out was with the ratatouille information was sent  going to vote to accept a donation from the patient park church to the belmont fire department in the amount of fifty dollars is there anyone here representing that gift if not phyllis is there any i'd like to invite chuck clark recommendation for the associate position on the chair on the planning board which is open at this point i've looked at the open resumes and in my opinion the most qualified candidate his  i've looked at his resume i've talked with them both in person on the phone and i've been very impressed with him he is working now as as a planner in boston in the city of boston and he works  private company he has an undergraduate degree in civil engineering from worcester polytechnic he has a master's degree in planning from the university of minnesota he has experience  in not only planning but also transportation and the civil engineering aspects of stormwater another hydro he has his extensive experience in planning and i believe he would be a valuable  and he indicated his interest to the board and email on friday so we understood that he was willing to serve also he duvets plain to me he was unable to be here tonight because for the for a special permit which is many of the things we we we we have three we have three new cases for special permits that will come to the board on the seventh plus we have mr hise application he because the associate and one of the functions of the associates is to vote on special permits inciting reviews of special permits we need a super majority we need for a positive as far as i'm concerned of somebodies appointed not only do they have a personal obligation but they have an obligation to the to allow more organized departure chuck and i spent a lot and told him yes sir you have anything you want to say tonight ok so come on over here sit over here get on camera not that you haven't been on camera before so get to the to get to the point and then i believe that was it september or october that we've had the meeting and we didn't vote and it got pushed forward and between that time and this  resubmitted his application we will bring it to the board on the seventh and hope and we will do the special permit on wednesday because we have everything in shape and hopefully we will be able to complete that process at all sir before we go to your percent expansion limitation on s r c non conforming property as it turns out in every aspect except frontage our plans are additional dollars on this project and this by law when it was passed was not enforceable because the town has not collected the data to understand if a homeowner has a cellar or have a basement and that's what the by law defines as as necessary here in this situation so it's a nonfunctional bylaw not it on my desk or our desk that is he's actually talking about the gross billing area and the calculation of that and he did an enormous amount of research to find out faults in terms of that one of the things the year in the s r c district that doesn't come through g r is coming up for division in the spring meeting this doesn't come up but one of the things though that hopefully going forward is that the board will use its discretion in the special permit process to  will be hopefully as we go forward we can use our discretion in the application of that and within the special permit process we have a great deal of  sit over here that you don't want to sit there and then the reason this is on the agenda is because of the citizens petition so i'm going to invite kate bowen come on up k know so what we're going to do is hear from you first ok so that we can understand why we're here and then the felicity asked two weeks ago that we put this on the agenda tonight prioritize funding for an expedited the replacement and repair sidewalks on bartlett avenue including curbing in grassy buffers so as to ensure a safety zone is provided between vehicular and pedestrian traffic and further outlines based on neighboring roads and a kind of minimal standard that i see around town as a seven foot minimum pedestrian safety area which is four foot wide sidewalks and three foot grassy buffer which includes the dimension of  curb itself and those are similar in our neighborhoods to just not loring and while not as well as white and maple we came before you in june asking for help to address the safety conditions because we know that nothing was really being done in a significant way with the sidewalks and you said that you were committed to doing something but a lot of time has gone by since june and so we wanted a lot of people came to me and others and asked that we do something  some of the points in why bartlett's and why it needs to be addressed it is part of the safe routes walking routes that serves butler it also is part of the belmont school's bus route so there's multiple stops along that route serving schoolchildren as a primary walking around serving the seventy three bus stop at st palo and harriet or slade and kind of a major hub there that's one of the highest bus routes system so it's a pretty high border ship it's also has a major entrance to a playground even though the french is there on the playground isn't huge and that has been addressed thankfully by glenn in the curbing  there we see heavy traffic through all the games and so forth on the weekends and afternoons it's heavily used barlett itself only has one continuous sidewalk to provide for all this foot traffic there's few curves that  the sidewalk over the years grassy buffers have been paved over and there has not been really any neighborhood discussion around that trees have been removed not necessarily replaced having open space as part of the tree siting process as i understand it increasing of impervious surfaces has a detrimental impact and they were good for heat index riding less attractive less safe and there in protected sidewalk users are more vulnerable just a couple nights ago we had a car smash into a telephone pole a couple houses down from me and totally take it out she's pretty impressive  glad no one was hurt the guy was seems seemingly walked away just fine but left a pretty big damage on the pole which was totally operated so i'm hopeful that those kinds of points will raise bartlett to the top to be addressed and i know i've talked about this before you're familiar with my concerns for that area but i just want to add me we've had neighbors who have been here for multiple generations and you know they  they don't know when their road gets done that nothing happens to the sidewalks and my hope for that road is that we can have at least one continuous sidewalk restore some of the trees and that grassy buffer so we sounds right and we said that we would look into it and now we have a situation where was the road repaired after june all right so you know this is one example i took a close up of where the sidewalk just kind of ends and sort of crumbles off into what's the road so there's no real there are places where the granite curbs the places where there's asphalt curbs there are places where the asphalt just sort of ramps into the street and then there's a place like this where the asphalt just sort of looks like it was broken off and becomes the so it's not up it's not intended curb it looks like but it looks like it's effectively acting as one it so this is sort of an idea where you can see on top of how the grand the curb sort of stops and then you get this sort of hump of asphalt the runs along the of the sidewalk of this asphalt hump that cars can kind of drive up on and i've actually since my kids play soccer over it at p q and they go to the playground i've certainly parked on bartlett a lot and walked into the park as the entrance is on bartlett in and people are parked up on the sidewalk all the time there weren't as many on saturday when i was there taking pictures if you can see one in one of the pictures but definitely and i understand that some neighbors have paid to have curbing and granite curbing in front of their house and grass and some people haven't again i'm not advocating just trying to explain with what what kate's talking about and you can so that you get the next one sidewalk in the street and some places the asphalt is the sidewalk like here and you see this sort of seam down the middle here and i don't know if this one actually had the there's another picture where somebody looked like a utility had cut through the sidewalk and then they'd sort of asphalt it into the hole into that strip but it was still asphalt into there a different photo you know so you can see that with all the polls as kate said someone took one of these by saw the poll that had been taken out that's been it's been sister to another poll it was only when you went at the moment that that would be the i just would if i could interject out of the last ride you showed actually there was a tree there and it was quite a difficult passage on the sidewalk it was very much he there's the other one yeah well this is the shows one of the tree situations where there's a sort of tree well where the sidewalk has been poured as concrete and you can see how it sort of humps down on the cars parked on the sidewalk there it's just a matter of i get it from having walked in now to sort of see the issue of the  safety issue exists is no real delineation i understand there's an issue of grade in some places where some places the street is much lower than the sidewalk in some places there are a grade and if you put like a hard granite curb some was going to trip over it when it's a grade but it just seems like concrete then it's then without fault and then there are some of trees and some don't so it's kind of a hodgepodge that's what i saw there and i just add one more issue about the nine distinction is it makes it very difficult for the police department to it's usually a case where the route system is too close to the surface of the road and there's a concern that the root system will be damaged other times the tree may be dead in the tree wouldn't has determined that it needs to come down and yes i mean sometimes it's a result of what we've done aware of the consumer in very sympathetic to them i would that i would add we were constrained by a policy so we did the job that we felt we had the ability to do should also say that the concerns that were there's there's more and i'll cry like that haven't you this time in one instance one big a street there are a couple of residents who come back still almost ten years after we reconstructed that row they come to the traffic advisory committee couple of times a year way back again and we still have the same problem in the problems by the way a very similar to violet having baker as you it's we painted a white edge line on the edge of bega street just so we could try to tell traffic where the sidewalk was and where the edge of be useful for the board if i studied this issue with a more global look at the town and not just spotlight appen you because i am aware that there are other roads that have similar concerns and i really i guess the engineer in me wanted to have a certain process in it and an evaluation tool for the boy to hang its hat on as we move forward with this conversation and so what i did was i start where you go on yeah i want to say that that's the way to i mean i appreciate the few did that thank you because that really the way you know the kind of response we need and also as i'm sitting here i have no idea what what we can do about this well you know as a board but i i found hoping to provide you with  at least one answer as i go as i go through this so so what i did is i went back and i looked at every row that has been reconstructed since the policy change ok so you'd be beginning in two thousand and eight to two thousand it was the first year we reconstructed roads after the policy change i looked at every road that we reconstructed from that point to the present there were one hundred twelve roads that we've done ok so one site had that pool of one hundred twelve roads what i vended was identified roads that i thought based on sort of today's understanding of how we should be reconstructing roads which roads would we have had a desire to put traveling in sidewalk on based on the idea that they're either main roads or they're part of a walking network within the community so i so i sort of i flush them out and i ended up with twenty five rows out of the one hundred twelve that i felt would have been part of a conversation similar to the one we're having tonight with bar let out and once i had that twenty five road that list of twenty five rows i began to think about how do we evaluate these roads i did how do we come up with some kind of a priority for the bar that i set was walking routes to ok so what i did is i took individual maps and i will bore you with all the work that i did but what i did as i took for the maps of the town of belmont in with on each one of those maps identified the precincts of each of the focus was primarily on the major roads and dolma and that focus included not only roadway but curbing in sidewalk so we have already in the town a very good network of walkable roads in the town so i think really we're as i began to look at this one of the things that got me excited was you know we're really sort of just kind of back filling stuff that we didn't do but by and large if you look at the town and you consider it as a as i as a walking community and virtually every main road has sidewalk and tripping if you name one i'll tell you  drop some out that were not considered walking routes based on the mapping that i did i also overlaid every one of the school bus stops in the town of domme on there are twenty two pages with multiple stops on each page it was agree it was quite an effort but it really helps paint a picture ok and so what it did for me is that it allowed me to identify roads that i thought you know what should be part of a walking network within the community but were too far removed from elementary schools to be considered a school walking room so those those were sort of dropped  on the priority lesson as i sort of pecked away at this and the next level that i said was either any roads that are walking roads that have some kind of protection for the sidewalk area ok and that's the grass shoulder here one of the things that he has an issue with is the fact that  bartlett avenue or a big a street there's no grass there's nothing to separate that roadway from the sidewalk while there are there are a bunch of roads twelve of them in fact that have nice grass shoulder ok and so when i looked at you know sort of once again the pecking order here i said to myself well if there's a good well defined grass shoulder that is a level of protection at least for the pedestrians on the sidewalk and so i drop them down to what i call the second tier in the i was able to do and this is where j n g p w come in i took their sidewalk evaluation criteria and bannard ok and that was that i populated all of that information on all of these roads and that that helps paint a picture of priority as well and so what i came down to ultimately was that barlett avenue and baker street in mind while me in my mind were running neck and neck and i can look anybody in the eye on any of these roads and i can tell you why bartlet in baker are running neck and neck so obviously at the end of the day i had to choose which one i thought was the above the other one and it wasn't really difficult at the end of the day because if you look at a map it no you know i have to tell you that i tried i tried really hard not to let the petition influence me because once again i think it's a policy board i felt and look i maybe i'm guilty of this too often but i try to put myself in a position where on i'm giving you guys what i think you need to make informed decision anyone can file a petition ok and might my my fear or my sense is that on the heels of this one there could be more and so there has to be some kind of an evaluation process to shake all of this all right and if you look at a map what you realize is that the the feeder streets that came in to bartlett but well the minor collector is a higher level of but that's in terms of traffic for a job so baker has more traffic volume than bartlett but bartlett in terms of the best reason focus right but but in terms of pedestrian activity so weak so we so we reach this end point where that that's right yes so so that was part of the evaluation as well and the sidewalk criteria clearly shows that by eleven u t s new sidewalks baker right so the reason the reason that sycamore and cruelly made it to the final four which became the final six is because they have no meaningful shoulder so even though the sidewalk on one side of the road is good quality once again there's really there's nothing distinguishing that sidewalk from the roadway and that's why it's in that upper tier of for what i've called immediate action and so so this is how it shook out and so then today i i did a similar analysis looking at roads that would be coming up in the future because the one hundred twelve rows that i captured as i said earlier those are roads that have all been reconstructed from today going back to two thousand and eight a case we're talking about a policy here we're talking about an evaluation tool we need to recognize that there are going to be roads reconstructed in the future and how do we evaluate those to determine what you know what treatments they should receive once again i was able to overlay the sidewalk data that was very helpful but folks what i really need is a policy of curbing i need the boy to direct me on what we should be considering for curbing and where we should be considering it i have some thoughts and i'm happy to present them tonight it's probably not the right time to do that but i'm happy to present that information but if i can get a clear policy on where and what type of curbing we would install on certain roads then i can begin to look at budget numbers and come back to you guys and say this is what we're up against this is this is how i would recommend we fund this and you know good going back to the original to first list you know if you if based on what i feel the policy people sidewalks if we hadn't reconstructed any of these roads and you put these six these four six rows in front of me what i would tell you is the local roads should have an asphalt curb that should be the curb treatment in fact if kate but kate used for comparables in her neighborhood all have asked for her i would tell you that the mine to collect a ro rose and have greater traffic should have curb should have granted curbing the challenge with these six roads is that because they've all been reconstructed you can't properly install a berm on the streets now with without doing some serious disruption to that i've identified and once again i only captured roads that i felt were part of the walking walking roads whether they be school art you know the group just the greater network of what walking within the town i still need to go back and focus on churches and playgrounds to see if there were any oddballs in there most of the churches around you may rows that have already been captured but i know for example the former scene andrews on malvo street i know there's no curb in a sidewalk on there so there are there are a couple of oddballs out there that i need to incorporate but when i look at the list of future roads depending on how this policy breaks out it's really not a lot here i think you'll be pleasantly surprised the other thing that i was pleasantly surprised about as i looked at these roads that were going to be doing in the future so many of them already have concrete sidewalk that is rated mostly and i say this ninety nine out of one hundred grass is a benefit only if it's exe ok what we have found we have tried to do this we have tried to in new construction we've tried to go back and  sides are it's the same virtually and if you choose one side over the other you're going to have someone who lives on the other side of the road it just it makes sense to do them all in one shot i think a statically that's the way to go i think functionally that is the way to go  and i'll just affirm your choices on sycamore creamy hawthorne and irving which are on direct routes to foller and between generally and butler for those middle schoolers coming out about their i'm sorry i have to leave is that first of all let me state that it's too late in the construction season for us to do anything by way of sidewalk and curbing this year and because of the amount of work that we're talking about where we're not going to be able to amend the existing you as the first street for eighteen let us then do some work to figure out how we can program baker street for nineteen and then we'll look at the other oh years to figure in find a way to capture the other and knock those out baker well i think once we evaluate the the budget in the financials for bartlett that will give us a picture of what nineteen would look like and and what opportunity we would have to your vegas or you know i don't i am i think four hundred the side was known as the sidewalk in curbing estimates about one hundred eighty the road the road i'm guessing is about was about two hundred twenty two hundred thirty the road one yeah so curving in sidewalk is forty percent of your budget