talent in regards to the other side of all that keep in mind i'm not sure the high school brought all this traffic side to the table right some of that was here and and like lance he is a working on that so we could have a collaborative configurations we talked briefly at the media to say that it's ok eight in some reservation about having a school with kindergarten students in it that had up to a thousand students we thought it was a big site for lower elementary grades i have not been in contact with the range of us me at this point in time to price ok six we did have a we did call it to discuss k eight as an option that we did not feel comfortable with because of the lower grade students being is such a large school so what lot of research to support the fact that additional transitions impact on students as they grow older is correlated with negative outcomes and  not been presented to the public and it unbiased way and i'm a thousand percent behind the high school and i think here is configurations there's all things that work for all of them but we can't forget about our own legation to the twelve seven through twelve special inspections that need to take place so when we talk about the cost of the project you really have to concentrate on that krajcik cost that's the actually under that the entire sort of the whole project cost be present that would be the construction cost about twenty percent that's often not correct because i don't think we've gotten to understanding all the details of what you just want make that clear ok that's not the we don't have specifications so this is based on real down a square for you in conjunction with the biggest ph d and their numbers that have been generated across the commonwealth over a dollars a square foot but the structure of the meeting started structured to fell twenty two thousand to one that's correct so you know today's numbers are going to cost i mean what you can do today just get anything else in life is going to cost renovation that's taking place in the building where it's approximately the same number existing square footage of the building where you got the existing square footage of the existing high school and you have the proposed square footage of addition slash reservation proposed square footage of new buil costs and when we go back and look through all of the information again through i must be a dad and proven over the course of history we know that there are significant costs that are dollars that may change here probably won't change by the time we get into construction and go through or not into construction but go through our funding agreement with the m s p act which is july of this year right so a seems to be an exact number it's not an exact number based but you know this is based on these rough estimates that we have at this time of year historical information that's coming through from the m renovation versus new construction that we do there is a potential for another point here and i already spoke about the energy efficiency here there's a maximum of two percent here and there is no question that we will receive  point correct so so we're looking at somewhere around forty or just about forty of the eligible cost per say after you look at those seventy four percent of the total project cost that we should think about right now that's right and so i'm curious what if you know or if somebody has done any research as to what a separate cost of then coming back to the town and saying gee we would really like to have a pool if we have that number to kind of put alongside that to eight that is year same as a tax payer enough thirty years so everyone is going to get the same basic cost so that's a rage as you can see right there if you have if you look at the principal hundred eighty government parent and the taxpayer can you can you hear me so i'm sorry i don't have a very comprehensive understanding of that at the town budget and how it works into bonds but if we were to for instance find for the folks in the audience the presentation that we did on january ninth needed to be updated by one number you can see some red text at the bottom of this summary slide i did reset the presentation up to every single asked decimates to explore the options that are available to the school committee as relates to a nine to twelve high school and a through twelve high school and a seven to twelve high school in the costs that would be incurred if we rightsize the schools which means that we actually try to organize a schools in a way that were good for all the different services live reason needs that we have moving forward and with the capacity for role that would be in those classes in those schools so wanted you can see above on the screen if we were to have a nine to twelve high school and we would have additions and needed renovations at each of the schools it would be about fifty four to sixty six million dollars options  for that range was thirty nine five to forty seven five for option a and forty one million to forty eight million for option b which was the win book edition the next scenario options four and five which would be a seven to twelve high school generally comes four through six in the elementary cicada three all right sized would be eighteen to twenty five million dollars and they did ask to be able to show what would it cost to put  five elementary school in the district if you were to find space and we were able to find that the previous number that we had on the ninth included a sum of money for renovations here the cherry but those would not be needed the sixty eight through seventy five million for high school project which they were flexible enough to allow us to have a nine through twelve eight to twelve the seven through twelve option menu at this point in time i think the public wants to know what the other side cost  be and so that's what the slide provides the detail is in the presentation but it was talked about the other night at the high school meeting that is does no vehicle of this no you know process into place right now analysis that yes we made did for us if we went with an eight to twelve schools we could open up a middle school in the high school but it would be very difficult to open up all of our elementary schools because they would have a lot of space needs in place and a robot would be high so that would be difficult  barring any other money any rightsizing money from the town could be opened up all the schools if we ultimately have a seven to twelve high school that is or that would be yes we could we could work our way through the spaces that we have without major innovations yes good evening everyone i want to start by saying on november thirty first as maybe you can recall before the holidays we were in the p v p phase and this committee met at the wellington elementary school and at that time we reviewed those four boards the four primary auctions the four primary options consisted of and still consists of a major renovation to the building minor addition to major additions  minor renovations in those the two boards two point three and two point four and new construction on the site and at that time along with a meeting that we held a community forum meeting on december fourteenth in which  heard further comments from the public on the site strategies as well as building strategies we took that information and we did some further review of the project layout  site layout as well as internal building strategies and we made some modifications to that we heard some things about the options on the major renovation minor addition we know that that's a phased fully occupied phase construction and we know that that will have a lot of impact we did not make a lot of alterations to that project from the december from the november thirtieth for a meeting into to this meeting however we did focus on the three other options the major addition minor renovation options as well as new construction because we've heard some primary thing about those three options and patrick and rick will talk about them a little further when we when they get there but the original scheme two point three which is the one where they're sort of the two two arms they were some concern about thinking there it is up there there was some concern about  bisecting the site on the north south axis and we tried to address that there was some concern about it being too close to the railroad tracks and that there's a sort of too much of a separation of the academic programs because we have the academic wings on both sides with what we call the cloud in the middle so we try to live dress that option two for two point four we still call that the bow tie scheme and we're still using that terminology sometimes it makes it easier there was some concern about it being very long a little bit too linear a little bit too far in length from east to west side and some and again this was overall consensus is are some of the things that we heard during the meeting and what kind of presence did it have on concord ave we address that a little bit further the new construction i think really couldn't get off mark primarily because everybody had a fundamental concern that it was too close to concord ave and that is something we addressed with this option so if that something to consider remember new construction does not include a new pool for the renovation of the existing field house so it's required by m s p a remember these four options are acquired by and i speak to look at a major renovation in different capacities renovations and different sort of degrees as well as new construction and as i said new construction doesn't take into consideration a new pool doesn't him also have the field house so that's something that when we get to that point next week and when we have further discussions on thursday we will look at sites strategies and building strategies because that's what we're trying to do we're trying to make its decision on strategies in which we can then move further so we're going to talk about the changes in a little more detail tonight and take you through them and if we have time we might even think about the pros and cons and get you involved in those discussions and the questions about know trying to really make the best of let me just in building and kind of work with that kind of linear street everybody kind of like the fact that it was kind of linear and there was very  the the new construction might benefit more by making it more compressed because of how it sits on the site and another one might benefit more by being lower so we'll have to look with us we would study with you what would be best in terms of st studies we do not have a full building to the just the building design yet so take that for what it is and also want to say that we've clearly developed the landscape plans in lot greater detail so i hope you take the time to look at them if not now but maybe online because you'll see a lot more detail a lot more thought about the landscape the pedestrian circulation the bike circulation we know that's been brought up a couple of times that's really important so we're really starting to get into a finer question regards to the two three mm two for comparison maybe it's just the visual it's giving me but there seems to be a lot more wasted space or because of the angles of the building on to we're getting as much green space on the two for project vs the two three project i mean i just maybe it's just perception i'm not sure but i feel it to three gives right and what considerations are you permeate in regards to snow load device damming and so forth when you angle out of a building like that versus the one two four versus two three when we get to the point where we narrow down the options and understand that there may be actual buttes to some that you like and others you also like and it may be that we have to look at a building that starts to combine those attributes so we understand that and we're willing to do that so i think that if that alleviates any concern because you know you'll go through a process where you will look at do you want major renovation deal you'll go through this process if you are down to two that have pros and cons we can discuss that and then we can come back to you with something that that is more reflective of  those elements that you like sell it might help the process of selection should we go to the new think this one people haven't really thought about it as much because no one like the relationship to concord so because it's pushed back and yes it could be one of those situations where you say i really want to see that with the g back which piece set back from concord avenue to the front of the building it's about it looks like it's at least like two hundred fifty feet in which the depth of the building is combined sorry t land management i'm just looking like if you flip that building over and you're on the other side of the street to me that that's a lot of building it's not set back far enough and i realize the the challenges that you have with a lot in your state as you push back you're getting closer to the tracks requires us to provide a scheme of all new construction that means all new construction it's not an addition renovation to the existing building but we're looking at additional renovation to the existing building it's some level of two point three two point four a configuration or twisting or whatever but we have to keep some all new construction and this is really the only one that allows us to do that in main team an existing high school but we wouldn't be eliminating that we would just be in fact adding integrity of the three point one however and we're not advocating for this one way or the other we're just saying that if this was the will of the crowd at the committee we've we could in fact do that i mean we have looked at it but again that's going to be up to the discussion and i'm just reminding everyone that we  we took your act the attributes that you like we hoped that we would create a cohesive design with the design intent with a lot of integrity and just piecemeal yes but you know that's what we would do but it if you said that i really like the way th phones up to the pond but i really like the relationship to the field we would then have to think about it it may be an entirely different option with those attributes to maintain the integrity of the design and that's what we would love to do the we have gotten the directors and the principals together to talk about the seven to twelve configuration as a relates to how we break it up to eight through twelve configuration as it relates to how we break it up and even the nine to twelve that we might want to break up differently  because they see the benefit from just a perception angle i've always found the high school unapproachable inaccessible if i take the time to track down the road i don't really know where to enter so appreciate the angle see three one brings it into that design i do still imagine what c three one would look like with a different angle and so really that doesn't go away entirely i think when it's on your i think he did a great job on season two three as well but the only thing that i don't think i'm a fan of is the bottom of the l call it where you come across and then down to me that blocks of justice to going down the street going down concord avenue so i see that it's a detraction to me but i feel like it's more of a dead type dead end yes so to me that that although a lot of people in the room would think that the land is much more green space with over them i think i still like two point four i think that it i like how it hugs the pond and i like i appreciate you keeping the music over by the field personally i don't know why that's not in all the designs because honestly looking that equipment around to the football field is a complete pain i like trying to point for keeps that greenery strip and sort of as you enter from cambridge on concord avenue and you see that the sign in the green in the pond and then the green and then by taking out the white field house you're actually extending the just or that which kind of isn't all of them but also going down conquered avenue there's a big if we two point three two point four i think in that experience which i think most people let you have a kid at the high school we're going to town meeting most people don't go into the high school much that would be more of your experience was walking or biking or driving or whatever the kids pulls it away from the track so accomplishes that i think the shape is more creative i think a lot of the other ones are very rectilinear and i'm not i think doing something a little interesting would be spur a little creativity something a little funky would be good i'm not a big fan of popping it off the ground to create a vista under i think that's not a great vista undergo to be shot at a lot and i think you're making the building taller which i would prefer not to do if we could avoid it the three point one and i understand on the facade you've sort of punched in the bit of it but it kind of reads to me massing wise it's like a midst mid twentieth century rectilinear municipal public building like a big like like where i went to his wake up just a rectangle built in the sixty's kind of thing i know you i can see what you're doing it's name i know it's not designed but the massing just reads like a rectangle and i don't think it really engage is the pollen terribly well if you've got the short side up against the pond there so i do appreciate that it does preserve the vista long conquered avenue in this reiteration which i like much better than the prior one for that reason but i'm not and then losing the pool in the field house and then to sort of kind of tacking it on that losing the playing field i'm not doing that hasn't changed i think for the reasons we've discussed a million times it's not reason to go into it again i guess the question i had now would be more process oriented a little bit which is our tom we're going to be choosing a site looking at twelve options right once we get closer once you now it down that's in this early i think the committee will be asked how do you feel about two point one major renovation they might be asked how do you feel about new construction are you willing to lose a pool in the field house those are big decisions it's sort of like this matrix of decisions right and then if you pick if you get down to any of that i'm not biased at all this is probably one of the most honest processes we've ever been through where someone asked me what were they going to do what does everyone think behind the scenes i said i don't know this is an open process with a lot of integrity that's going through the steps to once you get going to pick a side or wish we picked two point whatever more three point whatever are we picking that general location where there would be a rectangular box are we picking generally that footprint we're not picking that footprint but we're come back and look a little different but we're going to mainz make sure that the things that you like about it we develop further and then other things that you want to see or it won't win more than that is your question i don't know that i just don't want to belabor the point not exactly sure how i understand you can tweak i'm not exactly sure if we pick something one of these how far a tweak becomes a change we can't do and i don't know what the degree of that is well it's a process that we go through together so i think that you'll get a feel for it as we present options only pan back and you no longer see for all the law but versions of one will start to see how will work together and then the last one i had was and i just say one more thing bill remember you're picking your starting by picking the sides of gray configuration major renovation major addition new construction that's the first thing you're going to think about do you want to go have a major renovation minor addition major addition minor innovation or do you want all new construction to think that way because that will start bringing you down to sort of