funny we were terribly shocked to hear that you in the ways of separating we just don't understand how could you possibly do this to your mother and dad we've always tried to do the best for you but evidently it hasn't paid off how will we be able to face off friends after they hear about this some of them knew you was a little boy it's so shameful if you want to we need money we happens every day probably happens more often than we know this was a the depiction of an individual case we know that the statistics on suicide such as they are are a minimum is aware of this yes families are aware of it they know that suicide happens but far too often they're not aware of it until it's too late they're left with the grief and confusion and the guilt after that  what do you think you have to see it as a constant waxing and waning of two forces operating differ directions in the one instance there's the preoccupation with suicide are you saying that he feels two ways about actually doing it and that part of him is trying to come back at this point we use the technical term of ambivalence that is of meaning moving towards towards something and and the meaning both namely he moves toward two things so that in practically every suicidal case we see individuals who at the same time that they're moving toward self destruction making plans executing acts and so on at this very same time they are reaching out with rescuers a fantasy making cries for help sometimes of of almost unconscious preparations for the interruption of this act and they're doing both at the same time all the feelings that the person has this before he died and this comes out in many suicide notes are not feelings of anger and death and destruction and murder is feelings some of them are actually warm positive feelings and that maybe there is a time just before the person does this story himself and we can make use of his positive reaching out i think this word can be overemphasized that's the important thing in this that if you notice a change in the person this is the best clue not for suicide specifically but all sorts of psychiatric and psychological difficulties if all henry is and how he used to be our sweet betty seems differ and or whatever and if this occurs to you i think this is a thing which ought to alert one there's another point to in this instance we see merely one kind of person as an example of the type of people to whom persons in troubles are referred this is a physician in the sense it's what it might just as well minister a lawyer or supervisor in a shop for example some neighbor someone else there are a whole variety of persons who characteristic people who are in receipt of requests from people and how common is the problem of suicide to answer this question i think we have to say more than figures and statistics but to mention the the known statistics the reported statistics for a moment we can say something like this that suicide ranks among the first in the process of death among adults in some states of our country it's as high as the six leading cause of death in some age group specifically from fifteen to twenty five it's the third leading cause of death of them part this is an artifact because the other causes of death are not operating that certain occupational groups like peacetime service college students it's a third leading cause of death according to reports that is no other kind of death imagine by cancer or heart or accident or whatever leaves such an ugly backwash of emotional material as a suicidal death i think if one were to put this in a sense of what the suicidal death is insist that the survivors abscess about suicide for the rest of their the fact that people at the same time they're telling themselves reach out for help so that if we say no to this question then we write off people unnecessarily further that this whole situation and what has happened to this person raises the question which is really implicit in this presentation namely does ron have a right to interfere with us kind of process should you save a person who seems intent upon destroying himself and our whole experience seems to point without any question in one direction and the question is the question is whether or not this right the answer is one have this obligation what are some of the things that can be done well i think there are several things that can be done but it immediately brings into mine own a prophylactic level the involvement of the family in some kind of an appreciation of what it is that's going on among family members by the family i think it also shows the need for enter related with each other and suffering then fan suicide can hardly ever take place if people are truly in communication with each other my interest in the most suicide is but one facet of an interest in what seems to me to be a larger more encompassing problem we touched on it earlier has to do with the meaning of death death in the very largest sense for the citizen seeing this film as we've seen it asked him self the question what can i do about this or the one think you can do is to break down the taboos that we've had up to now about talking about death and to recognize that all though death is an intensely personal matter it has enormously ramified social implications i reflected as i saw this as i do when i see our  about any suicide case really work great challenges and what enormous opportunities there were to learn about human beings their functioning to extend our clinical skills and our scientific knowledge by thinking about the suicidal phenomena i believe we have been able to cover all of the various topics relate to the problem of the side but perhaps this found that our discussion of the story that was told can serve as a springboard for more meaningful discussion where groups  times of a this film think about the nature