warrant at the next following regular meeting of the select board that would be number twelve in the second this is number thirteen anyone's like board member can authorize an emergency warrant in instances where payment cannot wait until the next regular scheduled meeting of the tuesday so these need to be added so that the meeting schedule of two days for the upcoming year would work with the payroll system that we already have in place so you're going to be putting sorry so you had a motion that was just discussion and a discussion yes i talked with staff and having clip on both boards is not a problem with the state or local policy so there is nothing inappropriate term expiring two thousand and seventeen that just opens up public like to make a motion to appoint caring mcknight and will tell the pointed development review board these are three year terms highly like to make a motion to point sheen sheeny sheeny bartlett for alternate member of the development review board this is a one year turn there is law there this is a one year term second i need to sketch and you know i was in favor i there are two other alternate positions remain open on the developing review board to appoint peter to all chris miller and bob murphy to the energy committee these are three year terms expiring march two thousand and seventeen seconded and any discussion i expire in two thousand and fifteen so when i say do you want to take over for pat would be family affairs interest in being pointed for three year term what would you know we could pick to even it out with the number like make a motion to appoint pat lang if you're a poor three year term on the conservation committee commission expiring in two thousand and seventeen second and allison favor the country lines are close together means it's pretty steep the soils are pretty dense hard and soils so most of the rain to snow melt falls on that is not able to infiltrate easily into the ground a lot of it runs off and comes out across the river was property and they've been dealing with a wet wet property for lots of years so this is again this is the parcel is the root axis of the the parcel under consideration that you have  conditions so there's that this is the rear of the property is the here's the narrow stretch of that person under consideration there's a long road that goes up through there the solid line is the proposed driveway proposed house propose sceptic the on the previous map the black boundary line is no green salute so the watershed that is tributary to the rear property goes up the hill like this so this is the existing conditions   slow down the flow so so forested land has a certain characteristic drainage and of course the proposal is this one which is a driveway  from the cleared land is good academically down aimed at the at the harir as property this is about an acre and a half of clearing in the twelve and a half acres so it's ten percent ish of the watershed is going to be is going to have a different characteristic than let us now it's going to be either impermeable surface as in road and roof and that's maybe three or four tenths of an acre for the actual driven surface me and the road and in the house a couple thousand square foot house and then another acre or so of lawn and the clearing out side of the edge of the driveway so you know acreage have something like that and we don't know exactly what's going to be with this i just sort of estimated you can see the dark green screen beyond is my guess about where they're going to clear the they could clear a lot more potential so that's so that's a pretty substantial change to the watershed pattern ten percent change of ten percent a small steep watershed like this has some significant risks to that water ship right now what their ribs are telling me is that the water comes down from hillside into their under ridge road and then and then into that stream and that's a bit eventually heading down here somewhere and in the heavy heavy rains and in snow melts those there's a lot of a lot of water in fact some of or are under capacity they get flooded they get blocked and so they're they've got a lot of water coming on their property now this is going to produce a little bit more water but more importantly higher  we've got anywhere and a half or three or something can record or something like that of this change land that is going to be less able to absorb water because it's long or impermeable surface and that's good so it's going to be a little bit more water on their way and in a concentrated way and it's going to get there faster the higher velocity and that's going to make a difficulty for their situation of the so that's a sort of quick summary of the hydrology when i look at e you can put your file the the highway the road policy you're your road policy the poor thing i think to look at is is the section on drainage on page six which says that drainage patterns as a result of driveway construction must not adversely affect other property in the area also must not have adversely affect existing roads or road draw drainage facilities i'm not representing that they're going to be let me try to answer questions for that but those republicans those two phrases you system roads and roads drainage facilities or talk about public facilities these folks ask me to look at their private situation so that would be that the phrase other property in the area and  i'm just concerned that that that clause hasn't been addressed that driveway is going to collect water on its uphill side and then pass it through at culverts that are really not specified get a passage through an looked a little bit after this is a blow up there's that there's the arrows probably line here's how the proposed driveway curves up and crosses on the steep slope uphill of the property line  design profile that that was submitted to goes up to station sixteen hundred sixteen that's a sixteen sixteen plus zero zero in from there on it says it's going to go uphill at twelve to fifteen percent book your road poles he says ten percent maximum when i've done it when i went up hill just sort of up centered on the on the property to look at a cross section through that proposal there at station sixteen plus eighty nine six hundred percent slope and there's a twelve foot wide road surface to two to to keep it at a twelve percent slope is going to be a six or seven foot cut there so that area and these slopes are these are the side slopes and i've got two lines there the red in the blue what it's sort of depends on on which which design you use this the official road policy calls for using proposal the proposal just has of the notch dish the twenty one calls for a gift it's two feet wide at the bottom so it's the slightly different but not if you know you still get which whichever way you go you get a long cut slope on the uphill side and  a shorter fill slope of the downhill side that and so that's a ten percent grade this is would be ten percent starting at that station sixteen hundred and going up hill to go twelve percent is not much different shortens the cut you know the width of the clearing somewhat but we're still talking about forty or fifty feet wide up through that cutting across that steep slope and that's good so that's that's a lot of a lot of cutting and clearing that's so i'm just concerned that it doesn't appear that the current design has dealt with that requirement on page six in the drainage section of the road policy that says that drainage patterns must not adversely affect other properties and then if you don't then this digital question will slow you know you go to page eight which is the driveway standards and there you know it says digits part way down  tough one here because the the ski part of a lot goes uphill for you know fourteen and two hundred feet or something before it turns so so that's going to be a tough one there are design there are engineering measures such as check dams in the about station fourteen fifty or so and when you were talking about the ten and twelve grade what station were you at well that's they said they would that's starting at sixteen hundred which is right here in the us around the corner a little bit yeah and then if i then also i just i took their what they're what they're profile so that they'll be basically their proposal is to have the driveway at her grave at that point so i just started at that really so if you just say built a twenty one or twenty twenty two you're not going to mitigate the potential impacts either on her property or on your culture the bottom i think you need to  ask the engineer to to prove that they have met that section six which is you know drainage not adversely affect existing roads road drainage ditches or other property and whatever they can come up with  to satisfy you or perhaps it's appropriate for you folks to engage a stormwater engineer to look at that that this is a tough because it's so steep and narrow in that first fifteen hundred feet  many years the standard expectation for roadside ditches is that above you the four percent or five percent slope you regret and that rip rap size needs to increase the actual size of the but the water could rise up to the road and then wash of the road and take out the road or to the driveway and take it on down but so coverts can act as detention devices if there is room behind them for detention you've got a fairly steep skinny drainage swale so that's not going to have much room for detention behind  general mentioned you got one more letter from their attorney that came in this afternoon that wasn't your package that for you developed and twelve percent might become something know we're going to see what we can get that can be designed safely and they want to have a little more flexibility to go to that so we have been granting dream that's what they want that's what they think is safe from a liability standpoint i wish that we were always at ten percent because if the fire department has trouble on the road then we have other issues down the road a fire truck stuck  on someone's driveway that we've approved that's narrow and steep then i think that's not see for the neighbors next door who also might need help now we've stuck fire truck so they'd like ten percent but i also see that we have had a fifty foot thing like cliff points out something within those means and then i've also as we just heard from about the herero something that takes into account the adverse effects of water under the area of property so some sort of engineering that would mitigate or make that not an issue for their hero so that that's what i'd like to see next in this process of looking at this excess permit as is more complete engineering i'm personally not interested in a waiver at fifteen percent is it actually but that i would like to see it make sure that the culvert that cross this road is the proper size for the model load that's going to be presented at it after this if this sod driveway is approved but make sure that y in recent years those rates becoming twice a year yeah they're here right now well by hundred year they really mean one percent chance and a given year but rainfall does seem to be increasing we certainly had hearing and now that we have a way to move forward here on the next step and let's take it from there thank you everybody we do with mike he's pretty much an expert i hate to be take up twenty thirty of hours of his time without i don't know what brand really has left in it from my understanding to you i guess it depends if smith says i need to get out of hand and go too far i think we should offer it i think if he's got another hour to win then it's bread and he'll do it yeah i just want to make sure that we're treated fairly it's to turn off new business discussion of capital improvement just wanted this in new business so we kind of get it going in the right direction and as we all noticed a town meeting folks don't truly understand its word such as slush fund was used in and it  shows which is which is perfectly fine and not mistrust but i would say a misunderstanding of our cap and program which which leads me to believe we need to educate people further on the gap improvement plan there's a plan and there's a reserve there are two different things that's true too and how it how it would work out funding would work to have a lot to offer on this numerical alone wouldn't let us build i think some what did someone say a park or something you know i mean member of member all the discussion so  i would like to and i'm not sure how to move forward with this you know next year comes quickly right oh yeah we're going to work on this for a whole year before it because that all you know and so we need to we need to set a policy if we're going to have this reserve policy says that maybe we need to tell white voters but basically we've got to shoot some ideas out there and and so we need some checks and balances so that people are comfortable with this and maybe it comes out we can't pull money out of the reserve until there's a vote be a minimum for me i'll just you know because russia secure when they say wow you know maybe i do she'd structure would be nice and would just doesn't it doesn't it doesn't seem like that would be possible bill to shape structure in example but again let's address those things let's either either we need to make a policy or unpleasant valley yes yes exactly i thought that i thought that was what this event together with ramona and a couple other folks i think we could come up with a good policy and a good program i don't i hate to use work another task force but  what do you think about and again we have to check with moon and her timing but she knows a lot about the finance and the things in that i just wonder if she's she's a starting point of some structure to this  sort of falls in her peer purview well i don't know i might reach out the moment and see if she's willing to take on just the beginning part of this so we get some structure out of it as if some good that sounds great i know she with hearing a new plan from the park district yes ok are awesome so i don't think there's anything more for us to pursue there i think that falls on the park district to keep an eye on that upcoming plan is that true i will write a letter to that effect ok sounds good yeah that that's a great plan appointment of new commission member commission of what that when i wrote that up when i in his reserved for town finance only and we should model should be the only one accessing that office it shouldn't be used for any type of other function that this town hall uses do anything with this yes let's say yes i'm going to attend a conference saturday for eight hours and i'd like to confirm ahead of time that i could take a day off after having them i just as training council homeland security this saturday all day and that will count as a work day so so he'll be taking a a day in the upcoming weeks to make up for this full day he'll be spending  on the town's behalf and this is all part of our emergency management protocol so it's great that brian's want to get up to speed on that ok all those in favor on any where should we have a discussion yeah like i can tell you a little bit about it jerry informed me that their employees are all current on their seminars and they pass the announced under age person trying to buy in force in arms or are happy with i'm ok excellent lunatic motion to approve wells corner store liquor license i second that