that there was a flaw in that we're all but you're saying there's a flaw in lopez because we can't as a panel disregard lopez for a book if i make explain it this way so aggravated felony status of this crime but the denial of relief was if your honor that is correct but i argue that the court should have been can consistent and ruled that the injuries and i'm one back to rather so you'd like us to take this case enfant and yes that would be the case yes and so my argument would be that the court should have been consistent and ruled that a crime o the concept is a little different i mean remove ability and then relief there's no question i don't think you're not challenging the remove ability of your client the question is whether the united states is say well even though he's not supposed to be here there are bases to remove him we should grant him relief because now when you have a crime like this taking place even if the place before it had the label aggravated felony attached not hard to understand why the united states my say this isn't a person to whom we want to give relief and i'm not sure that remove ability and relief are exactly the same thing such that we should assume that the same slew of other cases following the same rule i mean so this is a ten decade old plus precedent what exactly would be the grounds for in bangkok i mean i just don't really get it well  is it possible that i took us astray saying love has when it was le does mother we were talking about it i'm a little concerned that i said lopez and mental it doesn't matter because lopez i think may be helpful to you but it's all of those men it's a problem or well i'm the part of lopez regardless of the date of commission of the crime that's right yeah right is that the principle that you're saying was wrongly decided yes ok that's that sort of thing so so so getting back to my question then you've got eleven years of just to make it short that's so what case so you are you are upset about that reasoning what are you relying on and in your favor to tell us that we have a conflict that needs to be resolved your honor i'm not repealed retroactively so you know that's a little different in this is because it deals with you know something being repealed but the idea remains the same in that the court and saints are preserved a former belief or class of persons and found that when he didn't commit the crime in reliance upon the fact that it wasn't tag an aggravated felony no your honor there is there is not anything similar i'm just i'm kind of trying to connect it by the fact that it addressed retroactivity but you know please the court i'm sorry appearing on behalf of the united states attorney general before we even get to the related felony bar issue we have an issue that disposes of this case even before then which is than the bar the petitioner entered the united states in one nine hundred seventy seven and at that time he obtained his legal permanent residency status when he physically enter and therefore the bar the two twelve each bar is applicable him that the case law is clear on that and even if we get even if we turn to these retroactively consequences this case isn't the proper vehicle to discuss that the arguments that but issues councils made today including the  for this in his brief there's no identification of consequences there's just no reasoned legal arguments that this court should take up the petition to set forth so for those reasons this this petitioner with an aggravated felony where that crime occurred prior to one thousand nine hundred six so that's why i cited those becker is certainly helpful but those were the two that explicitly addressed with old age in the way that we see applies here denied exercise the exercise of discretion in this case the board or the agency also denied to twelve c in the exercise of discretion for the same reasons as it did to twelve and there's no indication that the that the agency would  come out any differently if it if it reviewed this case again if there are no more questions oh oh thank you thank you