so these proceedings will be conducted in an orderly manner consistent with our rules of procedure i'll walk you through everything we're going to do this evening so you don't need to have them in front of you but there are copies of those rules available from so if you want them from  at this point i want to come on i'm sorry we're just getting started you're not late yet thank you at this point i need to request disclosure of any conflicts of interest or any ex parte communication from board members oh ok thank you all right at this point i want to explain of the definition of interested persons interested persons are those who under vermont  have a right to appeal an active decision of the zoning administrator of the d r be interested persons include the applicant or if the applicant does not own the subject property the person owning title to the property i mean is a policy that has a plan or a by law at issue in an appeal or any municipality adjoining that means of ality a person owning or occupying property in the immediate neighborhood of a property that subject to his own addition or act and who can demonstrate a physical or environmental impact on the person's interests under the criteria reviewed and decision of as an officer to be if an interested person fails to make a timely appeal they're bound by the officers or hear his decision or act only those interested persons who have participated in a d r b proceeding may appeal a decision re entered in the proceeding environmental cour pursuant to state statute participation consistent offering through oral or written testimony evidence or a statement of concern related to the subject of the proceeding so if there were to be an appeal of anything we do tonight we would not make a name for the record that will help us keep track ok i think we've covered all of that part of it so this is a cause i did issue a hearing and that means that anyone who wants to participate has to be sworn in so what i'll do is all read the oath and everyone is going to participate should say i do i hereby swear that the evidence i give in the cause under consideration shall be the whole truth and nothing but the truth and of the pain first development in this commercial subdivision and what we're here for tonight is an expansion of the existing mini storage over onto the lot on the left adding essentially with three and a half or four buildings but ends up being the three a half buildings three full size one half building a second entrance on the lower left so that we have two actresses in the mini storage in the overriding goal with the completion of this project in terms of static landscaping and site planning just to make the project look just harmonious as we can so that the expansion basically matches the existing buildings so the buildings will be the same same color same configuration same door style likely to be from the same manufacturer so that again if you step back and when it's completed to look like it's always been there we have added the addition of  lighting that motion detectors on that ends of the building the reason for that is based on our earth year plus of experience we've seen some montana traffic in the evening and we have a light on the office right now but it's not enough of a deterrent for folks going around to the back of the building so one of our goals in the year we've run it is we've cleaned up the back lot line a bit and  really have monitored that back and we're thinking that the addition of motion detector down hiding will deter not tenants from from swinging around back there are going landscaping will be  u can lift paltalk to the specifics of things like storm water and this project in terms of traffic generates barely anything from ninety stands barely any traffic and i'm very daily just monitoring the site  fast forward thinking to discontinue use of that many storage which of course require different permeating but i'm aware that if i think if i ever discontinue the use of the storage or move the building you have to i couldn't sell a building that's beyond the property line yeah it's keep can prove as part of this process it's of it's a it's a walk you know it's a not only one adjustment just like adding that line would be a minor subdivision bottom line adjustment so removing i judicial hearing and i can't act on evidence which is not brought up in the open hearing so if somebody fine if i find out something after the fact that's too late i can't act i mean if it's true i cannot so i have to leave he what i'm proposing here is that we will leave this for now we'll come back to the well we'll get some professional advice as i said before it seems clear that this makes sense the question is how do we do this really i think if we down there is a little vermeer but it doesn't amount to much people still can walk right over  that as we explained before i think what we're going to do at this point is to leave this hearing open we're going to continue it to a date certain so two weeks from today is their right so that would be our next would be no that's that's the first sorry the twelfth would be our next regularly scheduled meeting time what's the administrative burden you we have to put have to have a quorum of the board here to take testimony that true would be the same people would have to be the at least three of the four of us who write it has to be three of the four of us not a different two weeks from today as opposed to the normal which is the second thursday because there's nothing scheduled for the twelve or the twenty sixth at this time that will be warmed it's too late for those dates so we're open and so the question is shall we meet the didn't sign in and i don't think they got sworn in so if people have come in since the swearing in process and want to testify there's a recent where them so i think you folks can write if you want to if you want to want participate let me find the and i'll read it to you i will read the oath you just have to say i know of the top of your head i hereby swear that the evidence i give in the cause under consideration shall be the whole truth and nothing but the truth and the pains and penalties of perjury ok thank you possible and we have it with the park so dave's particular lot on john down is immediately is being a great spot it's reno right on the roof has plenty of space for a bus plenty of space for you know parking and he's been very open to the idea and going to work with and hoping not to put in more infrastructure more and then we need and so we thought if we asked for the full thirty four spaces but just starting with the first twenty then we would see how things go and then have the ability to expand if we need it generally takes about three years for commuter routes ridership to build and grow so we don't expect it to be you know packed by us on day one so i think it's realistic that there will be a period of time where we don't need as many as we like three years from  to putting on that some science in other places even another bubble lots where there are painted lines on the ground we'll just put in two poles with the sign that says commuter parking between arrows and it's always worked out quite well the people for the most part you know park really are supposed to  so monitor that we may be able to even put in some specific kind of markings in between spaces if there's a concern about you know really organizing it more specifically we're also proposing solar lights for people to feel already so he was happy about that just going through this if i'm missing anything so in terms of just some general traffic you know the goal of the commuter route is to remove cars off the grid fifteen so i think a lot of the people who would be driving to this are already people who would be you know commuting every fifteen if we're going to be drawing people from more of the jericho village area there might be slightly more cars heading towards jeffersonville in the morning just because they're trying to access the park  tested it both ways pulling it just doing a circle it was certainly simpler to pull it from dickenson and then coming in in the morning to pick people up going towards burlington i think we could either just pull it into a circle or come in and then  think either would work that might sort of depend on particular broken titian's i'm traffic and it looks like there's a really good opening for the bus to pull in here versus traffic for the back and i don't think we were going to tell driver specifically which way they had to go to come in in the that you know the town doesn't want to be involved with enforcement of this of the six you know security and and even increasing size of people parking in the wrong places so i would love  confidence that there have been issues in those locations i think we certainly could be felt the signage a little bit and maybe have something that specifically says that if you're parking there outside the posted allowed times that you don't have existing staff that goes out to remote parking lots to monitor it on you know weekends and that sort of things i think we would rely on reports back i could you know provide my phone number or our operations down the number to residents who are concerned and you know let us know there are things going out that we should be aware of and to try and address it maybe you know more so as it happens other than signage to try proactively deal with it it just isn't something that we've encountered as a significant problem especially in a place that's an existing lot they were not you know creating a new law and something that is they are already facilities that it be unveiled and so forth because people try to work out a solution for the future so this is a temporary thing but a temporary could mean three years or whatever as we develop and say we build be in a village center that people will be able to come there on their bicycles go to the shops and so forth and use it so that you're not having trouble people you know i have no trouble and we're working out the green light between myself and transportation company but it is something that i've lived here sixty six years and i haven't moved out of town yeah and i'm using there probably four or five times a day in and out of there five days of weekends and well so we're definitely putting forth as a parking right for the boss and we don't have any plans to promote it beyond what we put in our own schedule you know i don't forsee ever putting a sign up that faces the road saying parking right like the state l so that's a good question that we have to determine exactly where we live the bus stop sign yet most likely coming in will be somewhere in this area you know people generally kind of just kind of congregate at the edge of that we can certainly put in a defined bus stop  from the center of the main road to a point here and it brings it about in here in proportion i think it is one hundred fifty here right you said it so it's a hundred it's a hundred fifteen feet from the center of the road so say one hundred feet from the edge of the road the road blacktop is fourteen feet wide point so it's just one hundred feet roughly if you got from two hundred feet and you can hear seventy eight