so we should probably start a meeting and wish everyone a happy new year i hope your holiday months were joyful and sang pleasant and i think we have an exciting new year ahead of us and for this community and then people have their own personal excitement in their own families but i look forward to twenty nineteen as another troop year for our fine city item number two is instructions on exiting the building in case of emergency fire thank you helen if we have an emergency tonight i'd probably just follow the chief but in lieu of that we have an might please proceed to one of these two side doors and gather in the parking lot of the south if these doors are blocked please go back out into the lobby out the main entrance and around the building to the same parking lot to the south tom hubbard and i will be responsible for making sure that the building is cleared up move expeditiously thank you i remember three is the agenda review so are there any additions deletions or changes in order of agenda number will move on to comments and questions from the public not related to the agenda i don't see any line in the public out there so we'll move i believe so i also had a nice christmas and new year thank you i volunteered at the resolution run which is the replacement for first run which run vermont does the usually have one eleven am new years day half the people are like suffering to get through that it's like nine below so this year they did it at three thirty at the fairgrounds right so they actually ran two races in the same year first of of last year and then december thirty first is the first time last time miller have a problem period where they tied one one which is good and i had to drive my daughter door vaal to drop her off for a given trip to sri lanka where she is right now oh yeah and i didn't know that they're building a new bridge next to the plan which is pretty incredible and they have all twenty west is completely torn up the whole turco interchange areas completely destroyed to be rebuilt so there's a lot of capital investment going on in the modern transportation infrastructure right now pretty amazing thank you seven hundred thousand dollars over budget in the projection we're not sure how we're going to close that gap we want to sacrifice quality so tony and tony karon is involved like we're working on that but everybody is very excited about the potential for mean hopefully we can we can work sorry hopefully we can get both those projects going this year that we're really excited so we'll say i guess that would be the highlight and then and then i'm back to school week early today my but we're inside we're inside a good part of the day we're inside a good part of the day but it's neat and the students the students lots of want to go into some aspect of mountain resorts and and that's good potentially for mark because that means maybe more young people will stay in vermont which is a constant challenge you know when they get to climb up into the top of the lift towers and to lift stations and see how the lives actually work and they get they get pretty excited so you know and then we have the rest of the week with all other aspects of management and definitely some will apply and decide to stay in the business and stay in for months or makes a difference for you know it's not just school it's good for the state and good for for all of us to have all street journal said that  the new florida that usually from the midwest in the northeast people move out and actually vermont is the exception this year people are moving in well yes i have actually i always i always used to read art wolf's column but my understanding is he just said he wrote his last column that right somebody told me that the other day you know and he's the one that gives us all the i've always had a fair amount of pretty fair amount of credibility  i know that we're going to be talking about this more but i just wanted to report back with anybody else that with him with time tomorrow ok but that they are now within budget there were a couple of years where they were running in the red and neighbor it's a press release there's an event to educate the community about human trafficking that will be free and it will be on january tenth i will be out of town unfortunately four to seven thirty at the feet united methodist church that's just up the street north street right and i am happy to pass this around there's an iris v p contacted suggested but not required just passed around people are interested and finally my understanding is that tomorrow night will be the organised organizing meetings for all of the interim zoning meetings and  leaving tomorrow and i'll be out of town so i just wanted to express that publicly my regrets ideally i would be there but i'm very glad that helen will be was sitting there wreck department put on a few different of the events very kids oriented early on they had the fireworks at eight pm i just think i would love to see style burlington commit to something next year because first night burley to left a big void in the area and so we had to drive all the way to would love to see something in south burlington to celebrate commemorate the end of the new year that's kid family friendly partly for my own self serving reasons i did meet with jim barton and also for his last name we'll forget his name yet tom don't think you told him some of the continued questions i have been one of those i was was was that i wanted to meet with john clocking in thank you john do you have found some time for me yesterday and so we actually spoke about the possibility and also it's really important here jones perspective so it's helpful to know negative and i met with kevan going over some of the making sure that the organisational rollout i guess of the interim zoning committees was  sense and seemed to meet our needs and yes so that's what i did i was out of state for ten days with my grandkids it's great begin tomorrow night with a joint meeting of the council on the planning commission the two i z committees and the natural resources committee will all be meeting together to start the meeting often here a presentation on wildlife planning for wildlife and wildlife corridors from a gentleman from the department fish and wildlife charter committee then meets on wednesday for the first time since i've been here so they will talk about this proposal related to local option tax and and other things that may be on their agenda so the chief and i are meeting with joe s t tomorrow and joe last week just a routine board meeting and nothing necessarily new to report out of that we're meeting with the with the developers in city center chris and count on wednesday just to check in see how things are going also on thursday a lot i am meeting with with a potential vendor consultant for the rooftop solar for the community center who has reached out to us on friday we meet tom and i and a lot of me with david and a couple members of his team to talk about if if the city goes forward with one or both of these projects that we're talking about what will that supplant or offset in the school's master planning and visioning process as it relates to a new infrastructure for them so that they wouldn't duplicate  what we're doing the community collaborative met last week that's the larger group of city managers and chiefs and howard mental health and the hospital staff and others talking about mental health issues most of it was concentrated on the the enormous complexity of the federal and state regulatory mostly federal regulatory process and the effort to build additional rooms at the committee they gave us an eighty thousand dollars grant last this year for the community outreach program and this is a check in with with the committee that's the thing with the medical it's kind of a foundation  i met with linda mcginnis this past week to talk to her about following up on their presentation to the council on the council resolutions on energy efficiency and conservation and ran our plan her to get her input on behalf of the committee and she was very positive about it as well as you may or may think i might have said maybe i did more looking at  do the to lead us as our energy director and we're just working out the fine points of his job description we have hired a prior staff member of the city whose name is betsy that's who used to be in the planning staff years ago to come in and now take a lose job in doing our digitize of our records so we're not going to miss a beat there and she has this in depth knowledge of the history of the planning office and it is going to work out real sweet they asked b b a is having its winner meeting which you may have gotten an invitation to on the fifteenth at seven thirty at logic supply of course the council is always invited to that and the rotary has its twenty one thousand honors night on the twenty fourth at five thirty at trader dukes and then lastly i wanted to make note of what the what was just a really great article with an outstanding officer cerebellum vance and canine rush were featured  literally a five page story in the free press that chronicled a day in the wife of a canine and and a mom and his mom as as officer bella vance was referred to in the article so it was a great article and you know ok ok so we'll move on to the concerns agenda and i would entertain a motion to approve the son the sign dispersement and the review it really hurt anybody  yeah so comments we would have to be filed on the fourteenth so it would have to be the next special meeting on the fourteenth it's probably far and i just i just noted that you know i didn't know there was amount of cables that are going to be on the rooftop that's below the threshold a certain number of square feet additional impervious surface is below three hundred feet that's that's when they did notice that there was a there was a defect in their original application where thirteenth case in paragraph twelve and in paragraph ten he mistakenly stated that the ground mounted platform at this location will be in an existing paved area in fact the area in which that platform will be mounted can we add a question for somebody you know to us either by humiliate or on saying there is already infrastructure of that roof maybe sprint has antennae they're in their devices just adding layers i don't know but if that's a brand new meeting as a city council meeting to hear from the public on matters related to a five hundred twenty five thousand dollars community development program grant to support construction of the allert square so  you want to thank yes the this is pretty much as it states there's a required public hearing that needs to be held routine matter must be done to comply with the federal and state regulations but the buildings in place the buildings always are already there is better if we have received the funds and transmitted them to alex where i motion to morning hearing on tuesday january twenty second for the purpose of this public hearing on the community development some of the time  a five hundred twenty five thousand dollar community development grant to support the building of allard square right in the process granted to the community and then the community is  a rather short public appearances five minutes there we go ok all right so that's the motion to i have a second check so i move that in a second it all in favor signify by saying i might not be opposed great thank you item number eight is consider and possibly approved warning to public meeting at seven thirty pm if the purpose of this by our charter we have to have these special meetings kind of fourteenth so this is purely due to be able to meet the requirements if you decide to go forward on the fourteenth all things will have been properly warned for a proper process legal process to take the question to the voters the approval of the charter change and then we go to the legislature and the legislature approves it which i think is going to be a challenge but let's say they do that doesn't mean we have to use it right well you forgot to ask for the the voters at a later date right at that time the voters can decide on the projects if they want to do them or not but the funding authority would fail and would be so the language that andrew has draft for this is going to charter committee on wednesday for them to look at it when and there will be a trigger for the tax and they'll be at least what we're taking to the committee will be a trigger for the tax so if it's not that that's not approve the taxes trigger if do we have these andrew do we have these two projects tied together or are they separate and i asked that question because the recreation but we run a hundred percent occupancy three hundred sixty four days here maybe it's three sixty three but almost twenty four hours a day our income is pretty darn secure and they acknowledge their income less than fifty percent would come from ticket sales and rest would have to be through fundraising and it's and i said to them that you're going to have to put together one heck of a package in order for the city to agree to take on a facility where more than half of the half of the facility is not supported by my income that that's virtually assured and you don't know how many tickets you're going to sell i am concerned that these two projects are tied together when one personally i have great concerns about one not many concerns about the other and other words i think the recreational facility has got significant support they have i think if i am just asking i just i want to get caught in a bind where we got two things glued together i know this meeting for the following reasons as i think this needs to happen i'm just staying where i am from researching this the city charter committee hasn't met yet so i'm really concerned about warning language that the city charter committee hasn't considered so i am just concerned with pushing this a little too fast and so i'd  love the city charter committee to have come to us with this proposed language i'm also i'm not being the first community the state to go up eight percent on all retail sales because i pay those taxes and then summer to what day was just saying i'm not convinced all those projects necessarily should be taken on so i don't necessarily want to enable this funding source to to lead us down a path where i think the city's going to get into responsibilities that isn't really part of what our corporations are which are the essential services of fire police and public works so i'm not in support of this bill in a sort of this time moving moving what forward the warning for the for the hearings correct i just i don't think enough time has been bedded on this topic i just i'm not ready to get i jump in here i am not yet decided myself but i think that there is debate should be held and i want it to be public and i don't see any reason not to at least make that possible i am not at all prejudging how this will turn out i think that is simply making the discussion possible so i think that melissa i have the same concerns as tom and i totally agree with with you meghan that there is nothing wrong with discussing any of this we're not doing anything so there's no harm in discussing because indeed we are pressed for taxes and pressed for dollars and we can explore all avenues but i think i expressed at the last meeting i've got great concerns is going to be tremendous pressure given the makeup of the legislative body to raise the rooms and meals tax as a state and we can't be in a situation where our where our rooms are meals tax goes to eleven percent and then the state for example rips them apart leaves meals at nine percent because the bulk of that is played by vermonters and decide gee the rooms tax is going to be eleven percent and all of a sudden we're sitting at thirteen that's not going to work so i think to discuss it is great but i'm not ready to make any any commitments or decision so that's my and so i agree with tom i agree with meghan but i do think we know harmon all and having a public discussion that's fine ok any further discussion yeah i totally understand to inclined to let the discussion go forward i'm not in favor of having it percent but you know i have to convince bill but at least i'll give you the chance to convince me so at least if we get this process moving we'll be able to find out you know where the legislature approves and whether governor scott approves me clinician i think is if it gets to committee and gets through the house in the senate right that that scott would probably just sign it because i think that's what he does when the communities express these interests  well within within within reason i mean we've got to take into account that we don't know what the legislature is going to do with that with a prime state like taxes that's true i want to add one additional cut it i fully support the rec center i just don't think this is necessary for the rec center to happen so that's why i'm not support of moving forward this local sales option at this current time overhaul not moving forward of the local sales government is going to have it's not even that the city charter hasn't seen this yet they're meeting on wednesday so i just i think we're moving too fast in the wrong order what are we doing next monday morning next monday's meeting is designed to have the two committees present again to the council the recreation parks committee on behalf the rec center and supper legion city center for the arts on behalf of the creative arts center and then have a discussion that it's designed to be a a council discussion and to hear from the public and get public input on those two projects and on the local option tax or anything else you want approval of the warning has to happen tonight can't wait until thursday else we will meet the statutory right and then we put off the conversation or given the work that's gone into this telescreen i think it's  cares more than the average bear about my dog i don't just go to the media park so i skinned out all the dog parks within probably a thirty mile radius and  i think in some real measure just because i like to explore but what's also true is i found once the airport dog park was taken away and replaced by the two half dog parks and then one of those was taken away  plus with the design background that i have is anybody familiar with isa muna gucci famous sculptor of land does brilliant work with the earth sculpting the earth i know that there are magnificent things that could be done and and what we have right now is actually kind of insulting  the feral park item that we currently have almost couldn't be any worse the fencing is slap together and falling apart and one of the gates can't be secured there's another gate that can hardly be secured something as fundamental as water for dogs had a dog park you want to be able to have a bowl of water there's there's there's no water there now i mean there are other dog parks that have ramps and tunnels and shelburne had a beautiful park until they got zoned away and you know the dog park on the north end in burlington i would twenty three pound dog bite there is there's no parking next to that park by the time i walk my dog to that dog park he's all peed out there's no there's no this the dog park that we have here is so small that the large dogs that have been brought to the park not having enough space to run him have basically stripped away whatever grass is present in have the park just because they're confined and they have to keep running over the same areas  the small park which you know i mean i'll drop my dogs back on top of the thing and then when i leave with the dog i'll pick it up and throw it away but you know a lot of people have to go through the gate and put it in and then dogs run out and i mean it's kind of endless there's lots of stuff and i think just you know between common sense my design sensibility my commitment to not just my dog but you know the dogs of my community and i and i am vets in my community i care a great deal about south burlington so i i heard that there was a commission and i said you know i'd like to you know make a contribution and so and so i would have you have you guys been exposed to the when you ski dog park and nobody they have wood chips that are it's the only no i understand but they have wood chips across their entire park i think they've been treated and it serves a number of purposes for one you can immediately see your dog wakes it's not it's not like it many where for another it's comfortable to walk on the dogs don't dig it it absorbs anything that might get overlooked it's brilliant and no more no mud etc so there's lots and lots of different kinds of things that we could bring to bear on this possibility i understand was some consideration with regards to cairns on the other side of karen's i don't know how viable that is if you can't park next to the dog park but be that isn't my i'd like to at least have some property or not and what we have right now i think actually takes away from property value you know if i if i was a dog owner moving into south burlington looking to buy a house i'd say hey let me check out what your dog park looks like you like one so you know that sad i think that there's a brilliant opportunity for my town our town to address this issue these are not big expensive considerations and by the way with small dogs you know there's there's gates there i know that there's going to be plows coming up and you know plowing around the parking lot and leaving but they could open the gate a circle and leave you know when your dogs this tall and this nose up to here you can't take your dog to the park anymore there is an alternative way to address that a palm down could be built shade we need shade there anyway there's no shade and and that would keep the snow or at least off a patch and i had the thought for what it's worth  throwing some solar panels up there maybe vermont gas is right next door it's a public utility you see if they would be willing to write it off on their taxes put up you know some solar panels they could have the energy in and there to ask every question i discover committee member if you know when the dog park committee meets and have you attended any meetings i haven't attended any meetings yet because i didn't think i was allowed i'm not on the commission yet i had to go through this process of applying and introducing myself to you guys if you're ok with it then i would be going to the next meeting i didn't have a possibly they're not all there is appropriate i'm not looking to make the disneyland of dog parks you know but i think almost anything would be pretty much better than what we've got in there and i think that after the matrix then it's a matter of being patient and that's where the committee also has a role to play because that's truly public outreach and you know really public vetting of the different locations so i've been interacting with believe dog park meeting is this week when i'm trying to find it ok when you folks voted day night so you are it's an open meeting so if you wish to be and you certainly know and it's here  in one of the conference rooms here in this i think it's at seven o'clock i actually may already have it on my calendar so many balls in the air right now  skills that would be very hopeful for that group thank you so much thank you it's a few taps in there that will complete for you next week with the enterprise fine but i'd be happy to kind of kick off some general comments however this is loading up so in regard to the f y twenty budget reflecting on the general guidance regarding the parameters the council recommended to staff back in october of no more than a three percent tax increase the budget the proposed budget that you receive would necessitate a two point eight four tax rate increase general fund expenses total over just over twenty four and a half million with general fund revenues just under eight and a half million leaving a total of just over sixteen million to be raised by the property for the heading on the this is a delta of eight hundred fifty four thousand one hundred twenty six dollars which so we're we're just under a one and a half cent increase in the general fund budget and this includes a projected graham list growth of about one happy or sad so to pro provide you with some general comments relating to the expenses a number of the items have been listed in administrative services and h r departments some which are new some which have previously been paid out of other accounts which we've designated specific lines for in this budget these items will be further explained by department managers as they come forward tonight there's also been some shifting of the several of the department categories including administrative services city manager and human resources therefore some of the salary numbers for departments appear lower some are higher for next year but none of these placements represent any increase in funding for staff as mentioned to you back in december there are several new staff positions that are being proposed this year we mentioned before to new firefighters to increase the staffing to ten per shift with a minimum of staffing remaining at eight which it currently is that this would decrease the overtime dollars being spent as well as provide balance in hours worked to lessen the impact on individuals needing to work overtime hours on a consistent basis when making asked a great question the actual for af why eighteen is very significant but if you could bring that fire department and it was a gas obviously in terms of what the overtime would look like  for for fiscal year nineteen which is actually a lower number so to really kind of provide us with an accurate number we've taken what we felt the cost of the two new firefighters we do to impact that line of overtime and decreased it by that amount of money so that's where the project  a is the propose for fiscal year twenty w shows you the dollar value difference and x shows you the percentage difference between nineteen and twenty it's an important point for the public so hiring two new firefighters is should use the amount we're spending in overtime and put less strain on our firefighters because we're currently we spent three hundred twenty five thousand dollars and firefighter overtime so that this week and it's been that for the last yes there's a also an additional staff position request in ninety which reflects the need to provide support and succession for al read indicated that he's going to retire turn twenty twenty he's been a master at many crafts for us and big shoes to fill so the idea is to provide transition for our into the fiscal year twenty budget and then that person taking over in the house position once our retires some additional staff hours have been added to the library for coverage on evenings and weekends and during the busier times a year to provide adequate coverage at the mean desk and as a follow up to the presentation the energy committee made at the last council meeting and a proposal from us outlined in a memo from kevin that you received back at the end of december we've allocated forty thousand dollars to fund a one third to a one happens ition and expenses for an energy coordinator in terms of the general fund the funding for this would come from the increase proposed in the facility stewardship fund that's in justin's budget it has been at seventy five thousand dollars  year in the draft that you received we had proposed to take that to one hundred thousand dollars so part of the funding for this would come with that twenty five thousand dollar increase keeping the funding for the stewardship at seventy five and utilizing twenty five of it for the corniest position the additional fifteen thousand would come from special projects budget in the planning department this would be part of the sustainability efforts and that would reduce that item to ten but the to two different budgets would provide us with the forty thousand dollars in expenses for the energy coordinators position kevin will speak to some other initiatives for energy later on the maintenance you know of just things that need to be done while others actually provide some sort of energy savings like i know we still have the police station to fill up with l e d s is a major project and i  think some of that money is is in the budget but justin's been working with commons energy to kind of define the priorities for that so be happy to have him address that when he comes i just want to have  that you'll see were some of the major items in the budget are directly tied to the c h p that was it that was adopted by the council on december seventeenth and this includes the increase in the city center reserve fund from the current seven hundred fifty thousand back to the eight hundred sixty thousand appropriation in the and the complete c i p is included as tab number four in your in your budget notebook  again yeah i think you're right have been looking at the actual funding it's been approved so far at seven thirty five that might be what you're looking at  e that's not the appropriation oh that's actually the funding so if you could go to that that's what confuses the transfer decisions there's a transfer out in the general fund budget on the transfer to the c h p reserve i wanna do you know exactly where the seven fifty seven number came from on the on the  some potential long term drive the right lines one fifty two through like one sixty  center so you're looking at the expenses for city center david yeah and you have for you know why one fifty two to one sixty three i see ok market street library sideroads and your city hall we've we've we've we've approved that i don't know where we are on the streets right project at the room that presume the stream bicycle access is the bridge over the interstate but then i see the performing arts facility and that house that so so city center all of the items that are in the city center budget there's some that are committed this city center park that's the old i mean the former are correct funding from the federal government so we had that we did not get that we did receive the results we did not receive it this year we will be applying next year so that's more of an aspirational number which would then slide over to next year we would expect some expenditures this year well well below that number the only reason i ask is people do ask about that that's one of those that's one of those items that's more on people you are than some other figure from the general from the c i p that's being included in the general focusing on the rest of the c ip is is just a general plan that's subject to to change year to year  and the amount the particular category that you're looking at dave is is funded outside the general fund except for that number not that eight sixty that's that's the number that goes into much as long as we were not just as an aside back when i was in the legislature we we had the folks from disney's monorail cars were being built in barry bombardier and we had the folks come into legislature and talk about what it would cost to put a monorail from downtown up to the university and circle back and the answer was if you can charge people fifty dollars a day for use like we do it does and he might be able to do it back then it was two billion dollars  i'm going to try to save us here several of the major increases to tim's point there's a pretty significant number in there for health care increase at six percent which is about the same as the number for the increase in the pension program health insurance like property insurance and worker's comp insurance is always an estimate as rates across the fiscal years but they're based on the calendar year you know so it's always kind of  guesstimate but we're pretty comfortable with that number that's in there the property insurance for the general fund is in line with the three percent contract that we have with a cock and boardman for that the worker's comp is a little bit higher it's at five and a half percent that amount is set by the state that their rate that they charge we still have a workers comp model of less than one which is remains one of the the lowest for municipalities in the state so we're we're still doing good in that effect to see over time that hurts us a little bit on that and salary figures across the partment generally reflect the current discussions with the three bargaining units however no contract agreements are ready to ratify at this time and there's a savings of about twenty six thousand dollars with the retiring debt from the long term debt schedule from the difference between what went up about ten thousand dollars but it doesn't number that we're actually happy with because we thought it was going to be going to be a bit more than that and then the other significant one there is c c t v came in with their proposal to double the contribution there so there's a ten thousand dollar increase for the the coverage for the c c t v on the revenue side we're really pretty close to what the numbers were from last year i think we're about twenty six thousand dollars better this year in terms of what we project but like i said they're both pretty close i'll let the department manager speak to any significant changes within their revenue items or within their special funds that they want to address when they speak to you so closing i want to just remind you that this is just the general fund so the enterprise funds will be on your agenda for the special meeting next monday this will include water and we'll have somebody here from the champlain water district this will include storm water and sewer and justin will be here to help present those as the current budget stance the two point eight four percent increase over the current year's tax rate would reflect about a forty nine dollar increase in taxes to the average home homeowner and i think i believe that's based on figure that todd well a block of us at the average value of a house  about three hundred thirty eight thousand dollars and this would be a thirty four dollar annual increase for the year for the average condo owner and that average value prices two hundred thirty three thousand it todd use so with that with a condo on the condo was thirty four dollars so forty nine and thirty four as the budget is proposed would be the average increase does not include the penny for pass so that's about a thirty four dollar a cent on the tax rate is about thirty four dollars and the average down but that goes to everybody to send on the estimated tax rate once you figure in where it's two point eight four over last year's tax rate based on what yours proposed and whatever he was approved back in november of eighteen for the additional cent brings us to four point seven nine one seven hundred ballot measure before the voters will say the two point five or the four point seven on the the penny for pass was approved back in november doesn't take effect until july think yeah to forty nine and thirty four is we can only base it on that on an average home just to give you a ballpark you know be different for everybody it's good to have the actual numbers in years so it will but it's only two point eight communications bond because that kind of got passed the same way that like in august and again the tax rate didn't change the following july so we wanted to make sure people understood that you know voting for this part of it that was already approv increase what percentage of that what part of that increase is in a percentage is driven by the increased cost of health care because that's always a major factor i mean i don't care driving half of it two thirds of it now actually this year  i think it was one hundred twenty four thousand dollars somewhere in there with a six percent increase and you know stephanie will talk tonight we're doing a lot with proactive kinds of things that i think really helped bring our rate department managers are all here tonight ready to present to you at least what some of the major fluctuations are within hours or maybe even what some of the new items are within their budget so maybe start with  that's based on the valuation tim which you'll get at the next meeting but there's a twenty year amortized number that they give give us in terms of what the contribution has to be and  you get that as part of the the next pac committee meeting but the council will also have it that night as eric will come in and present the valuation so that that number is that's the number you have to put in to keep the plant the pension fully fund hi everybody currently home my the director of community engagement innovation here at the city so tonight i'm going to talk about what's in administrative services so to start the salary line as tom already indicated  some of the salaries have been moved here folks like a lot of physician ashley parker who's project manager some of my position is and here as well so that's the difference we've been moved there to move down to line one thirty one we have branding and outreach so we've been doing some of this but it hasn't been broken out into the budget in this way so you'll see that there that would include a portion of the sober life magazine the other portion is in the recreation department budget which probably ill probably speak about so there's that and then the banners that you see that are have gone up we've been slowly bringing those out into the different parts of the city so down on shelburne road is the next group to go up we have and then we'll probably move on to the gateway district which is on williston road so that's what's in the budget for that particular line item digital media has things like the website which we've been paying for but that's our contract and some plans for some design updates in there additionally a product called delivery which is a new product that we implemented this last year and it is for electronic communications out to residents so if you bend the website you see the pop up on the front that says enter your e mail address for information once you've said no it remembers or if you've submitted but folks and go on and choose what kinds of information they want to receive from us in a news style so the recreation department if you get their newsletter that comes out every week and so it's professional it's branded and will be bringing the library and other departments on board they're interesting lee folks are signing up for the weekly meetings there's probably six hundred people who have asked to get the warnings and meetings in that fashion which we had not been doing before so good communication there and then moving down to the archives and to say sure so this year we have implemented a software called laser fish and we're still working on that we're working to digitize our records here for the city planning and zoning has been the first apartment to work on doing that in laser fees and so paul might speak to that because some of the money has come out of his budget as well so we're digitizing and this will be good for transparency and for finding citywide materials so imagine as we move forward there you want to look up your address and see all of the documents that pertain to your address whatever those may be in the planning and zoning or tax or whatnot those you can find all in one place and you can go in and search additionally this will replace clerk basis we move things over so everything will be in one location for folks to find it so the transparency is key there were also introducing forms which will speak to the lien process where people fill something out and get routed to the appropriate people so we'll be able to for and all be done digitally and not have to have someone come into city hall unless they needed help with that so so that is happening the focus is really on when an efficient operations and being able to have those records more accessible to the public i forgot to mention the digital media we also have a by weekly basis internal communication that's now going to departments from the from h r so things that are happening and recognizing so that's helping to tie the city together internally the only thing i want to mention that's not on here is advertising because that hasn't changed and advertising the communications that we're doing in the other paper the weekly meetings and things of that stor and all of the public information that goes out for warnings and projects all the education that amount has not changed so that's not here in administrative services but that also is another place where you know  thousand i think is in the city manager and i think that there's a smaller balance and in the city council i think there's a three thousand allotment that's more for the required meetings like town meeting and any other public hearing that needs to be held so those specifically come out of the council advertising budget is there a reason for moving things under administration as opposed to the different headings city managers planning and zoning all these things i think we wanted to try to find a centralized place for where it fits best in terms of the message mean of it and i think these particular items fall more typically under what coralie is responsible for so we're kind of bringing it to take in the numbers that kind of existed for the most part in other other areas of the budget bringing him into a figure so that you can you can see it that it's almost like a new department structure for this next year the percentage is wrong but the number is right the forty the forty thousand is what i addressed earlier tim we took the twenty five from the stewardship in the first fifteen firm of sustainability ok and that would be my budget is not very different from this year and the major increase in it is because of tom mentioned we need some extra hours we  have we're thrilled that traffic out and computer uses up we have an increase of two thousand people per month in the library since we moved in i not even the first month but the second month that we moved because the first month was everything was different we didn't have the stats weren't working and we also have one hundred sixty three more computer log in compared to march so we what we are finding is that we can no longer effectively and safely have just two people in the building at certain times so we have been kind of filling in with part time people trying to add a few hours here and there and so we're asking for some additional hours for that so it's a safety as are been safety concerns be in the mall that are unique to training because of the big plate glass windows and then we we work with the howard center folks on mental illness and people who might need special attention and those those things that those relationships have definitely gone up in the mall i also means a lot of people who might need special services are also a large population that's using the computer as are our public computers and the person who is on the desk is responsible for helping the public with books and materials and giving suggestions they're also responsible for helping the computer people and that's something that isn't working any longer we've been trying to keep some numbers on that as far as days of the week and times of day the libraries tends to be very busy from three to five on weekdays the computers in particular tend to be very busy first thing when we open so there are definitely patterns and we would and saturdays are constant because we've had two people working in the library first most of the year until recently is higher because we want to address that but we've we should it's probably not believe us correctly that's one of the things we were looking at mostly utilities for the library taken out of that the utility costs are built into that and then we have some had no idea and next year is based on this year so there's a reality to it course if we look another year ahead and the community center is built on time lots of these numbers are going to so i'm happy to answer any other questions as well but that's that's where the meat of it is because it seems to all make sense in two thousand and twenty one if we're on time with a community center it's going to be a whole new ball game on a lot of these and i would say that we have a very good relationship with the university mall if it's a matter of a month or something of short duration that might be different but they require that this is a three year i'm much consistent year to year the only thing that really fluctuates a lot is the election expenses in the fiscal year twenty twenty there will only be one election it will be a very busy election it will be our annual tell meeting it will be the presidential primary now twenty twenty one budget day was talked about we're going to get hit because that will be the ugh ugh a sick to august primary the november presidential election has gone down but now i just want me guys where this is since i have been here election day that we give to our election officials whether it's to people at the front door of those people are in fact working have never seen an increase i would back eighteen one thousand years ago people looked at it more as a volunteer this is something that they feel good community service kind of thing nowadays it is getting very very difficult to find people as as you guys all know so we had a conversation at a four civil authority meeting and  the motion was to move election pay to be up to the minimum wage and then to raise the front desk workers to try and get qualified people to kind of get some people to wear that this is a job when you take it seriously so even though it didn't increase my budget from last year without that expense it would have gone down a little bit more a couple paying for a good share of clerk base and now is lazy fish coming in i did that because i want to get your council minutes on our website i want to be in word searchable i wanted the transparency i've been able so that's pretty much my budget papers having questions i was an ad to be ca at the time of the discussion over the salary is it the actual minimum or was a fifteen dollars per hour to fifty said the motion that passed said that it would be minimum wage but then presided officers who were the ones who were actually in control of the of the side of the polling place to election day would be paid fifteen an hour for the as a responsibility for more minimum wage a month minimum wage ok i'm obviously that is also continue my budget passing because i don't have the money in my funds obviously to do that so it's a fair job right and could you say publicly what people are paid today currently right now somebody who is working the front desk doing the check in if they would be there all day for thirteen plus hours they would get seventy five dollars and being five six bucks an hour kind of thing  the rest of the election workers get paid seven dollars an hour still kind of in unfortunately the with the way the world is on elections there's a lot of skepticism this a lot of people who aren't sure about what's going on the polling place isn't quite islam more tense sometimes because people do you think they're pushing things and they're trying to they're watching and trying to find things in china so it does help to pay to have people who are here  just i'll just yeah yeah no i just want to give it a kind of text and there's even been conversation between peter taylor that you're right to say that in this maybe we need to start thinking about having some trained election workers that within the city they have to be within city employee residence but someone that we could bring in and train and they'd be there all day and they're there really in and able and trained to take on those things that happen that there are a lot of complexities i know from working at stipends are around us to kind of bring you back in our lease bring you into what's a reasonable from what people are paid and a similar kind of community if you have here does it for the money rea recently what from what eighteen hundred to five thousand dollars and they have twelve counselors and it's been twelve hundred or love a hundred and burlington for we don't even know how long it's been fifteen twenty thirty years by the time to get us up to market rate so i don't i mean it's it's i just it's all we're all miscellaneous including including that we're doing for election workers and usually the federal government benefits i just i want put that out there if you are in over six hundred it's like you send it in your your tax bill you know i think it is a little bit different as and i don't know why but there is different iris guidelines for election workers so they're not highlighting the areas where there are some significant increases the first line is sixty five hundred ten twelve under fitness that's an adjustment that more accurately reflect payments made to members of service that take part in the  for in this category particularly to buy less than lethal munitions and equipment these are devices that hopefully will never have to use but in the event of a critical or a crisis intervention again a a lot more options in order to bring someone under control if we're face facing a situation such as the i think the next line is a new line sixty five hundred thirty seven point zero one community outreach simply has been broken out to its own line item and i will attest that it is essential in order to police a city to have the resources that the community outreach team affords then skipping all the way down to sixty five point six seven hundred consulting services we've added here a subscription program to i they're essentially a physical therapy chester and they help us with preventative body maintenance being a pretty physical profession we see a decent rate of injuries that their firm can help us get ahead   younger officers who are officers now wearing the weight bearing vests there's a lot of decent research behind why those are effective for a long term police career although no one has really actually studied  chances are much greater or not is to measure but when you wear your gear in a certain way it really comes down to your individual body type you know because i have enough real estate around my waist i can still comfortably where like women if you are a smaller person weight better but again there's no exact formula to say if you are five foot eight one hundred forty pounds you should wear this or if you're six foot two two hundred ten pounds probably today you should wear your equipment such as this so we look to gain that kind of insight so i'm hopefully when we bring new officers on we can equip them in a way that sets them up for long term success wearing what amounts to just about twenty to thirty training and that sergeant happens to be coming from the detective bureau so as a result we'll have to transfer a new detective in and that person will need the requisite training to be a detective for the city and then also  starting a little bit sooner than the fiscal year we're going to be investing in some deescalation training and i also have high on the priority list crisis in goshi training right now we only have one qualified certified crisis negotiator and that is an extremely valuable tool really day to day it's probably one of the most useful things that i've ever used in this profession skills of active listening and we just need to build that out because when you examine our call volume again sex quickly with mental health crisis in these skills will help officers better serve citizens and build in time that we can use to formulate a better strategy going forward to remedy the system talking and talking with the person about ways to resolve the situation with dignity and it's really nothing that is taught outside of the law enforcement role that i'm aware of and it's actually something that we've talked  worker listening to the dialogue that's going on and they can be extremely valuable in identifying themes that been negotiated can use to try to bring the person back to a place where fire off they're willing to surrender stand alone with one person doing marketing of his products they brought on a new team member they had to raise the rate kind of out of the blue last year weren't just being another rate increase this year but even at the projected cost of you know something somewhere around twelve to eleven thousand dollars a year that's falls in comparison to most off the shelf products would cost the police department about fifty thousand dollars a year for another records management system thank you thank you stephanie we're with you all right so s t s is the safety data sheets so whenever a company has chemicals or even buying cleaning products you have to have the  sheets for those products so you know what the hazards are and also what the required p p is to keep our employees safe so we are moving to the left tronic library and that because it's very time consuming to keep that up to date at all and will be able to move to a self service portal with our employees another feature that we want to add on to the eighty federal system it's called a carrier connection and what the carrier connection is it's a t p and all of our benefit vendors which we have about seven of them merging together and a d p manages the process of ongoing and transactions rather than the admin function of seven different connection with all seven of our but it is streams lines a process it reduces error because there's less administration and it makes the process more efficient and again provides more of a s service portal for our employees during open room and c s one is another vendor that we just implemented for one one that is to move to a third party to administer our cobra with retire raise and terminated employees and also to minister a new benefit that we just over to employees which is the flexible spending account and then the last thing is in the barges for an online training portal so implementing an online training portal will streamline the process increase consistency amongst three areas with compliance which in turn creates a culture of learning and online applicant tracking system this will streamline the recruiting and job posting reduce cost for higher and fill positions in a more timely manner and then once we have that applicant selected having an onboard input where new hires will go into complete the onboarding checklist complete forms and receive clarity on and then another thing just to touch on off of health and wellness so we currently have a wellness engagement committee in that committee focuses on five elements of wellbeing which are career social financial physical and community and we're doing this through company and community events as well as electronic communication so really educating our employees about health and wellness what exactly is offered within our existing benefits outside of just going to doctors and pain your doctor bill what other things within there do we offer to help you be healthier you so communicating that to our staff in educating them on generic you know pushing drugs and just really vamping up the education on medical him or also in the process of creating an online employee portal which will house all this information so they'll have access to it all times and road how do you  for it's mainly contractual with the agreement that you have first city manager as well as we just shifted from or we will be shifting as of march from linking to you know and there's different categories within that the system for management and other employees that reflected some of the actual costs that we've been paying and i think some of the group life in the past has been taking that different accounts like the long term insurance which was part of the same company so it never really got reflected accurately so we know this number is a true number just for life insurance and this is the first time with the switch to unum that will also be able to offer employees optional life insurance weren't able to do that under the  them really excited to hear about a t p i think you're doing the right thing so that's what the city needs to do one thing i think i heard you say there's opportunities to create more green more green environment less printing of paper paper checks yes so moving more towards online self service with employee good i will start by highlighting oh man i'm just gonna go by the last four numbers into account number twenty one forty five which is interesting an fifty nine hundred which is building maintenance it's a forty thousand dollars jump that's not because we are that's for it's for a it's c a p project our garage bay expansion so just from an accounting standpoint we added that forty thousand dollars c a p project because it fit better here than any of our line items everything else on the x the traditional expense side of this categor expected to remain the same it's the forty thousand dollars that's part of the c h p garage expansion so this is just words how's from accounting purpose in a few items below that under the same vein sixt point five nine tricare if you recall we were back in front of you in april i believe talking about emerald ash for and we staff presented to management a seven year plan do to fully eradicate cut down as it were our inventory of seven hundred sixty ash trees as well as replant and behind them so our plan is not to just cut the trees down  and call it a day so inured to swear entering in year one of this so in year one all we're doing is removing fifty thousand dollars worth of trees and against the c h p project accounting wise it work and then whatever whatever remains fiscally will spend fifty thousand dollars on contractor services to help kind of expedite for example would be really advantageous to us if we put out of bed for x number of to remove as we get a really decent perjury price as opposed to normal i'm removing a singular large tree it's costing us fifteen hundred twenty five hundred if we want it all together was to get the bulk purchasing power so that's why you see the tree care jumping and this is going to be  i would suspect in the future years we would continue running it tom through this line item but in years two through seven one years two through six we're going to be removing and replacing and then finally in your seven hole if all goes according to plan will just be replacing so next year this and this number is going to jump because it's going to we're going to be cutting down and buying and planting new trees so this this will be a particular focus of us much like over the water world we did a seven be it can't be transported quote out of region right so we should make it available but generally if you see any time the green on power crews are in town there's usually a pick up young in immediately  next day or two because they'll just cut it up and leave it in reasonable size on the side of the road and we haven't formally figured out what we'd want what we want to do with it but yes it can be used for the purpose of it pick it up there see it again will probably have some of the nation on so it's more as what projects make the most sense in terms of our ally what other grant opportunities are available we have we certainly have a list of projects that kind of fall straddle the line between street facility stewardship and energy  efficiency and if there was a direction to focus more on one type of project than the other we could certainly try to implement that way pension payment has worked in the past is that we've we've moved money out of the enterprise fund into d p w where the money get credited and then into the pension payment online soon now just basically pays those directly out of the enterprise fund account numbers so we don't we no longer credit highway with with that kind of money it's really it really wasn't a credit to them it was a payment made or if there's a developer that is making a payment in lieu of so it's if we get or if we get donations for trees it's up to it's a revenue passthrough for any types of new or trees that we have to we replace and frankly a lot of them are insurance related like i mentioned there's a lot of knock downs of signs and reason so that's where the money comes through again is nothing that we you know we budget but it's there because it does happen and when we do get them we've been putting them more in the miscellaneous revenue rather than a specific category does it take you long to collect from the insurance yes there's a reason i mean if somebody is drunk and they knock a tree down why is it takes on so just so let's say it happened tonight the insurance companies generally going to pay the an actual amount and oftentimes there's more than the cost of a tree you know we will we build labor and equipment so they'll reimburse us  so in that case is not their fault and the other case insurance companies you know and then we have we have folks that try to make appeals to myself or tom or kevin can we keep it off the you know and we don't play that column you know tree replacement contribution certainly and so as you see the revenues on the highway are just under a million and the expenses are a little bit over two point five million which is answer just a quick overview that this proposed budget allows us to maintain our expected level of service to the community and also plans for a little bit of modest growth for communing ajman and program offerings so the administrative line item would support full five full time staff which would be myself as director to program staff special project staff and a customer service specialist just a couple noteworthy things in the first section you'll see telephones have gone down a little bit we've been paying for the programmer phone so that is inclusive of you know seasonal staff that need to be in touch with the office so we put that into the program fund so that's gone down a little bit here but not overall in the budget dues and subscriptions have gone up and that's just to fully cover our full time staff as well as the executive recreation and parks that with the city for civil life so blue play and travel and training is increasing a little bit and that's just to ensure after we hire this fifth person that three full time staff can attend the state conference that's held annually in october and two full time staff can attend the national conference which vacillates between september and october for programs down a little bit further senior programs have gone down and we consolidating those with adult programs now such as to shift but you'll see that their special events is just a modest increase to support creation and implementation of some new things park supply which would be down a little further red rocks first ok that's fine so just a reminder that the overall budget for red rocks supports proposed supports forty nine hours of open gate and open beach time during that eight week eight week season which is through mid august we did a trial run last season where we did not have gate fees and we hope to continue that this coming summer as well so that will be reflected in the in the revenues so so we charging we won't be charging right and we didn't charge this past summer you know what was the thinking behind that because i remember in years past saying we've had more people paying parking fees than ever before  think there was a bump in the year that we saw no rain in the summer and so that seemed a banner year i think that we're really rethinking the way that we look at red rocks and you know is that more of a natural area and natural space and so as we're working on a lot of the significant projects with the open space fund some of those are looking at how people are accessing the park how people are parking are people really parking in the park so last year we did a trial to say ok well if there's no parking in the park are people still accessing parking outside or are they finding you know something different a lot of the issues with red rocks are the staffing traditionally and seven and so they were locking the gate and so people were stuck inside the park or couldn't watch a sunset because of the timing  you know we allowed for outside parking and traditionally that would be closed off during a you know a ticket at the gates option so we found that people were using outside parking during the day to accommodate for  that and not excessive parking actually inside but leaving that option open so i think we're going to explore that for another summer as we work through the open space projects and see what comes of them for parking in the park there is inventory both the pickup truck and twenty passenger mini so that's just you know projected cost of maintenance there in our contracted programs and driver's education  file so you can see a reference to top were to see i'd be twenty twenty and then there's a cell of cater so if you at the bottom of this guy all that went out that kind of glee you can see there's a tab that says see i i'm confusing three sixty three why is it dropped wanted to drop to zero in twenty nineteen and then it's going back up and to do sixty five in twenty twenty we just not do anything in twenty nineteen we were paying them directly out of the open space account and directly out of impact fees so we're we're kind of bring in the money into the fund this time and paying it right out of the those two hundred sixty five thousand dollars so that sell in the general fund is linked directly to the cia and and so we have the revenue accounts that offset most of this  so between rect impact fees there's a separate one for the self belief soccer field and then there's a rec impact piece for the dark park the overlooked park it would come out of the general fund and lighting is the veteran of memorial project additional lighting up around the bandshell that we felt we needed for some of this overnight out of events just to provide some additional safety up there so a lot of that has a revenue offset to it but this is the expense number that you're looking at here all right see i hadn't noticed that there's a difference between highly recent ashley parker so i've learned to make sense  really we don't identify program specific things but it's such an expensive program so we're running about thirty three thousand dollars of you know bring money and much of that goes right back out in the expenses  we've just separated out highlighted there traditionally we do to say seasons about and were because of demand adding a third so the students do not pay for that it's a it's a no students pay for that so it's you know if students don't get into the school program there's quite a list it's about a seven hundred fifty dollars program and that's because of the extensive amount of driving hours and classroom hours and so you do a significant split of that and you know make about twenty five hundred dollars off of the program but if it's an expensive one it brings in also modest increase in expenses for youth programs and that's just accounting for more expenses as we build our program inventory with a another program staff person as they move on the revenue side because i think that and as i mentioned genies the decrease in the in the red rocks gate revenues there won't be any other modest program revenue increases in youth programs and adult evening classes and those would be  as we look forward to bringing on a full time program person as well and then the so do night out so we've done a lot of work with so when i doubt the summer series to get us to a point where our revenues were  hoping the expense is about twenty seven thousand dollars which we've gotten sponsored and working with the sponsor now to cover that as well and then we've streamlined streamlined a lot of our expenses and also have some really great revenue coming drugs so when we started we would do twenty percent of sales which became cumbersome and difficult and frustrating at the end of the evening both for staff and for the food vendors so now we've gone to a you can up for a single night half season or a full season i think a single night is one hundred and maybe five hundred five and i think if you do a full season it's about seventy five bucks each night it works so those are the only significant increases or decreases that we have electricity in park you projecting a five hundred dollar increase that's because of just increase events we're not budget enough for last year was so but i think we're hoping to do more of those types of events and now that people have seen that happen other people in the community are looking to replicate those events which  money from the rental of that space but it would be an expense for electricity to lot's depends on the director that we've had over the last few years and so there's been a number of changes and the way the auditing works is if you had if you had an expense within the last three years you have to go you have to i'm sure she would love to be able to combine it more into more comprehensive program headings and we would support that as well so when we talk with ron again when he's here for your next meeting you know we'll look and see that we want to meet the requirement that we have to show is there a way at least for budgeting purposes that we can kind of consolidating some of this placement namely the reflection of different directors over a number of short term years here people would be i mean they're just they're just beat we're supposed to work about twenty seven hundred hours a year they're working to about thirty two hundred hours per year which is a lot of work and we've been really busy and we've had really  december's been pretty terrible for the fire service guys have had five suicides in eight days they're able resuscitate three of them it's just kind of takes and tool on believe it or  just chill for a little while so that's very important so we should be hopefully be able to positively impact that one of the things that was budget does reflect that reflects a lot of changes in state licensure for him a side of things as you know of our firefighters across trained at least as intermediate basics if not advanced or paramedic level we've had a change in how in the type of training that the state wants us to have and the number of hours that we are wired to do that so you see throughout the budget there's increases to the training funds because of that so as a result in the fire department over time training you'll see that there's an increase of forty two percent that is to incorporate some of those training requirements partly on the fire department side of things for not only fire service specialized rescue not like but because all of our people are fully cross train we break it up between fire any a mess  we're now i had to have two sets in the city just completed up creating this past year this past budget year making sure that everybody has two sets of gear that is n f p a compliant it does have a shelf life  more than ten years so we we now have it on a cycle of replacements to try to break the break down that cost so over a number additionally with our air packs which is a  in chris and that our air packs which are purchased five years ago came with a five year warranty they're off warranty now so any type of work that we have to have those here packs actually has to go to a certified individual and that's the reason why   i really don't know but i looked online today and because we had two government shutdowns in the last two years their system is so messed up right now we're not sure where the what the actual deadlines are going to be to apply for these we may have to apply for a waiver but will certainly try to defray those costs there's no guarantee on that like i said things right now are so messed up with the fema funding and where they're supposed to be in their normal schedule that there are already six months behind on wards of the grants so that was as of four clock this afternoon you have an increase our fire department furniture and equipment a part of that's through the c i pizza roll into the sea i v of some monies that we had such a side for equipment maintenance fitness equipment in particular the stuff twenty years old i think there may be a savings in that we were able to find a gym through efforts of a number of people find jim that's going out of business and we will pick up some commercial level stuff that's only been used for a couple of  very nice of them to do that this is the second time they've done it in three years this is used equipment of the replacing from there replace him so rick now can and stepped up and offered it to us at no charge absolutely you know there's a very gracious candidate physical agility test she actually went through it and she did pretty well for not being a firefighter and not being used to that she she did ok i don't think she's going to do it again that's just saying but she was a real  and those things are covered by insurance the rear wheels of the apparatus these two form in the rear wheels those are six hundred dollars apiece cost the steering wheels and nine hundred dollars  blow on the apparatus was stops in fact they didn't even knew they blew the tire so the those expenses that we put into those tires and the safety things that go on inside of the room certainly done your job it's one of the in the oh that's a great question i don't know off the top of my head mileage was i don't know we did thirty seven hundred calls this past year which is it's the most the busiest year we've had to take the thirty forty thousand miles again i could find out for you but i'm just curious how many miles a year you put on the all the all the vehicles you can certainly get that breakout for you so it's not so on that point this is my fourth year going into a budget and i would just say it would be very helpful that if it's easy to to put together what the annual calls have been for the last five years because as people in the pay other paper read about two firefighters it's really important to make that argument that we're seeing increase ervice and it's also to save us money over time  so here's a cocktail information for you with the graying of south burlington of our so we did have thirty seven hundred calls last year we transported about twenty one hundred patients to the hospital during that  time not everybody needs to go to the hospital if they can go by private vehicle safely we certainly encourage them to do that there's quite a bit of coaching that goes on by our medical all of our people to make sure that we're not on probably be more successful but sometimes people just want to go by ambulance so of the twenty one hundred patients that we transported forty six percent of those people were over age sixty five years of age or older so almost half of the people that we transport it's nine hundred sixty six patients of that nine hundred sixty six patients sixty two and a half percent of these needed some sort of advanced care drugs on some of our patients we have to have specialized delivery systems in order to do that type treat the medication at the required rate for example of five suicides that we had an all in an eight day span each one of those took two hundred fifty dollar needles that had to be drilled into their bones each in order to try to resuscitate them so and that doesn't include the cost of the medicines themselves so it goes back to strap a late that we're people we're seeing older folks who are sicker now in the community than we ever used to have we have we can extrapolate basically for every over age sixty five building that we've built into the city which was fine because the services were close to services and hospital you know that increases are calling by about one hundred calls and of those about seventy percent of those are advance care advance and you know we talked about that with the developers and all this is we work our way through all of all of these various things but those supplies you can bill for some of those we can bill for some of them unfortunately don't resuscitate somebody we can't bill for them so we might be oh you know a chunk of change obviously we're not going to concerned about that really it's just information it's just information that isn't true why is that true i mean if you go to the hospital and the high you want to the transport people to the hospital who we haven't been able to resuscitate if you arrive somewhere in the purses apparently to see you won't try to resuscitate them well it depends on how long the person's been dead this indications if the family's been well educated it's still or it's a little trickier if we have family members show up that don't agree with the cult one that adds our stress to that's there's and so far is in the future what are we seeing the one thing talk with kevin and tom about that you just should be generally aware of there is another change coming in medicaid medicare reimbursements and it's being driven by fraud in the private ambulance  service people being overcharged for things within private ambulance services unfortunately it's going to trickle down of municipal services such as ours the good news is they told us there's a change coming the bad news is they haven't told us what it's going to be so the international association of fire chiefs and the international sociate and firefighters are working with with with the committee and with the american ambulance association to reiterate to them as a public safety organization they cannot apply the same rules to us as they apply to a private ambulance service we have to we have to treat everybody that we com fighting like heck to get that through the committee time doesn't impact us negatively you folks have any questions thank you for your time appreciate your support we hear time we certainly hope that the two new firefighters will make a difference yes we certainly hope so certainly hope so there's planning so we do i do a seven year analysis of revenues on in all the different types and we are right on last year the average of last seven years and so looking forward again to what we the we bring in revenue actually do swing pretty dramatically so in just nerds owning fees twenty seventeen we brought in a little under one fifty twenty eight hundred three hundred thousand dollars over double but a lot of that has to do with did somebody come in with a large building on june twenty ninth or july second and we happen to have caught a year when folks the year before and come in on july first i'm sorry june twenty ninth and then a year later they came in early july and the in the twelve month period in between we just didn't happen to get the large ones so that's why we as a longer trend on the expenditure side there's really not much more of a story to tell and i think tom and kevin made whatever a organization's needs are we're really excited that we started with our development of you board files we have thirty filing cabinets worth of all the history of every project in others  with scanning all the information we put in some basic information for keying it and then it is word searchable entirely it can be organized and we organize in whichever manner you like so  whereas when you put something into windows explorer it's filed in some particular way here we have it filed by date but it is also at the exact same moment by street address  and it's sort of a mirrored copy of it the ones of going that way if we want to look at it a different way entirely than we can sort of mirror that again and all it takes is a few lines of code to do that so we're really excited that this is the one of multiple steps in terms of where we're going to go with her digitization within our own department we're starting with the development of your board files and we'll go to the zoning permits and the sign permits and the various things like that will go over to  likely next to can go into h r things what we want to do long term with it is to take that which is the really the sort of final repository and as was mentioned earlier there are some ways to do input forms it matched that at some point in the future with a more robust permit management software and how the whole workflow takes place of  projects tie that together long term with mapping of all this so that you could click on a map and get all the information if you ever wanted about a given property so those are later stages for now working on the that on our servers or on their servers it is currently on our servers what we bought a special server for it that was a recommendation that came from the company to do that with its own backups and that can be it was a sort of the development of your board starts a project we do a project history on it and just be able to do a quick word search on it has saved so much time for us it's beginning to save time for those who are helping out who come in and they say you know we're just looking for that water line might have been somewhat yes i mean that would be everything once you're done scanning right and then future one of yeah i mean it's infinitely searchable and you can choose to set whatever criteria want in order to look look at it it gets a a little bit tricky here written stuff especially if you've seen race handwriting but but the the other stuff is really well done we're using so that will be in part a continuation of our consulting line budget we continue to use it to also match work that we do to be planning commission municipal planning grants consulting services really the rest of everything else is continuing thrilled to meet our new h r but i would love to have on our city web site some kind of here are please here's where they work and just following the salaries you know from one budget mind to the next line it's just it's it raises questions like oh who's working for who and and so i would love to have just that ability to go online and say oh i see this is where these people are so that's the city attorney or is that have to do with something else you know that that's i mean the main reason for it and were some of that was offset by money that we're not spending on the outside attorney in the same suits went down by forty eight thousand dollars yeah so everything for outside counsel is in is in their line you know i'm not sure how much he enjoyed this is utilizing outside counsel at this point but for now i don't think we've seen a lot of the billing that keep in mind outside billing for the law firms can sometimes be two months behind too so  outside our internal i tried all right very good and that i see also didn't have anything under the city council and i know we've given ourselves a limit but it's going to go i first so is there a reason for them to i didn't know what to put in there megan to be honest i think as we look at it and determine what the cost might be i think my recommendation to the council earlier was to consider any dollars that we have that her as we get the audit at the next at the next regular meeting i think on the twenty third is if there's that sixty or eighty thousand dollars in there of surplus money i know there will be surplus money in there and we're still waiting for the draft of it so as we have it will give it to you but i guess my recommendation would be maybe consider holding that and using that for that purpose since it was unbudgeted expense and i really didn't just have a number for fiscal year twenty for that but that  was my proposal thank you yeah but they all seem very relaxed and comfortable that's what i do time we'll come help to say what have you given up you know it's a it's a great group and we've had really good dialogue back and forth as we talk about the budget i think they're very respectful of understanding the council's position and have been very careful about coming forward with a proposal that was really this what we need just what we have to have and i think they kind of looked at it from that standpoint and i mean when we pulled it together it was around that three percent so we knew we were right in the ballpark and really it was a matter of determining what has to be done this year in the c h p and what might be able to be done next year or what can be split like justin's with the two base between the two years so as a matter of just kind of repositioning some of those projects to make it work thank you  the energy committee appeared before you to talk about the prior resolutions that have been passed by the council and then to be moving forward the plan to comply with the expectations of those resolutions since that time lynn and i have met we've met with other committee members too to come up with a way to to meet the expectations in the plan and the projects that they have laid out i have we've talked a little bit tonight in the budget process about where this is taking us for f y twenty and in f y nineteen so one of the key objectives of the committee has been to hire an energy manager so we're in a position now to be able to say that we're going to that we've offered fifteen our position to lubricity who is a community member mechanical engineer has decades of experience in project management and he's known by all the managers and by many members of the community and i think he's going to work well with the committee and with the staff we're looking at the opportunity to take roughly ninety thousand dollars of annual income from the solar ray on the landfill to invest to leverage into approximately seven hundred sixty roughly thousand dollars a mediately which you lou then and the committee will have funding available right away to begin to take on projects so will will do this very much the same way we've done it with the open space fund the half cent and with the one cent for a penny a path ten year commitment of funding on the de but the ability to immediately embark on energy savings conservation and efficiency programs we will begin fourth during fiscal twenty and in preparation of the fiscal twenty one budget to capture what the savings has been from the investments roll roll roll the savings or some large portion of that savings is still a little bit of a discussion we need to have into a revolving project fund so as the seven sixty gets depleted we'll have a growing project fund from the savings that are generated again all consistent with the plan that the energy committee has laid out and in and i will be available on a perpetual basis for the continuation of these projects so we have brought in person to replace alou to do the laser fish lou is ready to go pretty much if the council is on board with this plan we can try to spin this up in the next couple weeks and have lou is already doing some work in this regard but maybe instead of a march first deadline to have this off the ground we can have certainly a february first or something less earlier than that so that's the concept is replacing the streetlights firmly supported this and how fast kevin and his team are able to put together a proposal i do have one small question which is that we talked about how to jumpstart the revolving fund is there going to be a way to jumpstart the revolving you have anything to say we're super happy thank you it's a great investment for the city give you returns and returns in return so we're really happy about i really appreciate all the work your committe does i mean you have such a level of commitment and expertise on the committee it's really impressive and i think that has really helped push this along and gives me confidence that we really will you know begin to invest more i don't know what the right word is thought for a fully your intent and only and then reap the rewards and  and continue that because it's such an important thing the payback is so clear to me but we often in health care it's like prevention and exactly you know dr thank god yeah so we really appreciate thoughtfulness and the repetitive in which you responded to that so thank you well that you know i am i got the benefit of having to fill out a lot with helen and have an idea of the loan that you could share with them could you share with the council that idea well i think i was the one who figured it all out i'll write it he took our proposed idea and ran with it so yeah i mean i took what i think is a conservative number for the landfill and i mean we had some months that were significantly more than we thought we were going to get we had other months like january when i think where we have a little over a thousand dollars i don't think we saw that maybe as october because october is that when we saw the sun a few days so i asked you was  yeah that might have been it so we took against a conservative number and just leverage the ninety thousand dollars to say what can we get based on principle interest that we would project and it came out to about seven hundred sixty thousand dollars and this is income that we are sure we're going to have in a way to use it for really advancing some projects that we can invest in right away that will save us additional dollars for that we can to your point continue to reinvest in the community so it all made sense it requires the council's authorization for the loan but not voter approval other than the budget my because you had a guaranteed ninety thousand a year from the solar reserve fund which was the idea it's from the get go was to say you have this money that you can be saving every year from the solar reserve fund invested in something that's going to give you even more money back to the city and that's that's exactly what you've got there so that was that's what we hope happens and then at some point you could actually buy the solar project and save free electricity for the city well we'll cross that bridge when we get there but for now you know and you can buy in years ten years but on this piece as long as i get the consensus of the council to move forward right away in fiscal nineteen you don't have to vote on the go ahead and do it but the rest of it so people were pretty happy