level was filed in favor of the petitioner mr guy as we then reviewed that decision at the commission level and again that case was a firm we then filed with the circuit court  thousand and nineteen on been announced to us there was a technical error regarding how we coded the file that had been rejected three days later while at the same documents with  could be a script as there is here your honor i mean the problem is with there was no way to contact if you came with with the circuit court to determine any issues took us many days to figure out a few days to figure out what d the problems were what you attempted to come under that rule is that right ok did you ever actually file a written motion don't know your honor i mean the record is confusing because we'll get into it for some reason your opponent filed a response to the motion of the court went along treating it as all was filed and i was just curious as to whether it was ever actually you know going back to what we talked about  they're not parties to circuit court cases correct you know when somebody filed the complaint in the circuit court of cook county evidently somebody put the insurance company ends of plate we damp it is it was named in counsel have questions so that's what i'm dreaming from your argument you seem to be arguing that the judge may have been tendered a copy of this motion but it's unclear we have no record of it being sir clerk the judge was changed so yeah i guess so i guess what i'm looking for is your best case that the court was acknowledging the most in dealing with the motion whether or not you can prove up whether or not the motion was circular the circuit court judge the  it i don't have it in front of me or honored but they had certain circuit court definitely had it because she argued we ar it must be strict compliance with that statute well this is case and so we understand that let's get to the engine why wasn't the entirety of the with hearing on the back motion because it was never because it was motion he never style that back dated motion when we appeared before the judge on december th the judge asked counsel we're just doing this briefing schedule replies service clients all in response to this date the filing of b action did you or did you not do that yes not having ever obtained a copy of the motion so you filed their response to a nonexistent motion that yours you telling us direct the court was under the assumption counsel there is no transcript in this record of what went on and december th in his in the record there is no transcript there's roar how many times somebody has to make a determination as to whether the documents that they filed the for the st time complied with the statute now that's either a yes or a no if somebody has got to decide that and i believe this is going to court and i believe your honor the circuit court did address that issue and decided they did not have subject matter jurisdiction they said they didn't have subject she said she didn't have subject matter jurisdiction because no motion was filed with her that's what she said she struck the motion finding no motion has ever been filed and then because there was no motion filed found that she lacked subject matter jurisdiction i believe your honor that's incorrect she ordered in ruled subject matter jurisdiction is lacking do plants failure to comply with the statutory requirements no she ruled that she lacked subject matter jurisdiction because there was no motion on file brought to backdate that's what she rule i'm looking at it i believe she ruled on the lack of subject matter jurisdiction because the judicial review was not timely pile june rd would have been that deadline it was the filing of hylas judicial action the circuit court lacked jurisdiction and therefore dismissed the action for judicial review that is it's the order of reason the trial judge jumped the gun and entered the order of january the six that's correct but i think the ruling by the circuit clore insurers that the judicial review had not been timely filed because there was no motion to back the complaint that was presented to the court without any motion to back that untimely review the court simply did not have jurisdiction to entertain the  and that requires because does it not well let me ask you this do you ever make any arguments in this case of the documents hyland electronically transmitted on june rd fail to satisfy the required documents in order to commence the nutrition review court so it was going through the minds of these other judges when they kept continuing this motion which you're saying no been filed or the motion i can file why we continuing the case you just sit there silently and let it be continued no it was brought up that i wasn't provided with a copy of the motion that counsel need to file the order was entered for the parties to provide the court with electronic copies of i'm certainly willing to answer any other questions the court might have but i think in this case under section one thousand the act strict compliance is required and regardless of the technical reasons for that rejection court did not have jurisdiction response address if there was no motion on file do things one that the court did not have jurisdiction because the judicial review wasn't timely file and two there was no good caution by way of  cause i don't know any particular case but any support of that proposition would have to be supported by some evidence in this case whether it's after david motion there was no evidence presented cause is there any circumstance where a person attempts to file for judicial review after twenty days that the court could ever have jurisdiction answer that's no so why would you file an in support of late filing or something or good because well because the supreme court does allow for a good cause really good closure we're filing late for the late silent there is no good prejudice but not for a total failure well as i said i didn't see your honor the response was one it was not timely file obviously no subject matter jurisdiction the nd argument was written cause a lack there