chance and please direct your questions to the chair or the african not other members of the audience ok and please make sure you tell us where you are yes sorry be and this is purely emotional but i look at this rendering that was done from the school street side if you all story building the house in private is a story and a half it doesn't make any sense that that building is the same height as the house and i'm just very curious about why this is looking that way it's got to be high and it's got to be at least even with the roof line of the school why are we looking at this  sidewalk from that point of view and it's if you go back if you go back to the previous game that the same thing happens when you look at the elevation here you see that the building the proposed building here is three stores and that's five stories behind it because of the change in elevation it's a it's a better perspective so that's what john's trying to explain so we're no one struck i don't think anyone's trying to deceive anybody it's just we're trying to trying to represent how it's go it for the benefit of the village as well as his own i have this fear that we are killing the goose that lays the proverbial golden egg here and i'd like to point out this happened in other towns depot he had parks and green space trees and all kinds of amenities and that project and years of fighting cost millions of dollars and all the budget the amenities went away and now they have a bunch of boxes in the field that look like big concrete and they because they are i would really like to see this meeting focus on making the project better and not being this concerned that the reason we're at this we're at our first meeting is because of him has made significant changes to the project and that's why we have these meetings is to make sure that we're we're putting the right thing in the right place  and just a point of clarification the planning commission doesn't really ask people to build stuff we approve applications and we the zoning encourages certain kinds of development in the village so that's why this project is in front of us but we do have other provisions in the regulations that are designed to promote a transition from higher intensity development patterns in the in the vermont in the village district to lower intensity uses in the residential neighborhoods and we've talked about one of them is that fifteen foot buffer between multi family right and single family but another one that we have you just brought up is actually in our village center district and let me read it it's in the design review guidelines it's subsection four eighty four but it says the proposed  structures need you limited to with intent person of the average height of existing adjacent buildings where necessary to protect the residential character of the jason residential structures so and i will point out that this is that that the height may be limited as opposed to shall so it is it is definitely more of a guideline than a strict requirement but it is a guideline that was specifically included in the village center district and as a planning commission i think we should and should address that and if we try to apply what he's saying here you assume the park street school is twenty five feet high and the adjacent residential structures are twenty five the average height then is thirty feet and if we increase that ten percent they consist of thirty three feet so what this provision provision is suggesting is that within this area of the village center district maybe a building should not be higher than thirty three feet even though we allow we can allow up to fifty eight feet this is suggesting you know for of for  congress of plenty and i want to see what the real goal was for this district watery and special what we're trying to promote and and to talk about that balance between existing here is the future how do we get there and walked in appropriate transition and not in the crux of this whole discussion right and so if you look at all of the things that the village center district is promoting which included i wrote a lot of them down john that's a good discussion but i'd like to get back to these folks and then we can talk about that's good for an up close session i'm sorry yes go ahead applies to the situation so i guess i'm really just it help me understand a little bit better if i kind of knew ok in the seniors again right now i will give you my life story here yesterday i got a phone call and here's two of us sitting here myself my sister got a phone call to move and now we're looking at putting them unfortunately into assisted living that is for lower income families they both will have to have separate bedrooms they won't be able to be together and it's on houses that are well over one hundred hundred twenty thirty or forty years old are conundrum misspend between the village land and the land development code and i think you know that because we come back and back and back about that conflict one says one thing and one says the other so thank you for speaking to that on it feels like that that on the table the two questions i have are why and the traffic and trends so left turning from park street  really difficult for those of us who have to or are only entrance to school street is a park terrace because our driveways are around our dear it gets really difficult even for us to get into that lane so that's a question of logistics and my other question we added six more sixteen foot trees to help reduce the mass of the building almost brush you see right here i mean that exists right now we didn't duchess but we will be taking all that out this is all and all the trees on the back of the property there are on my side i went there with a surveyor and you look at you've been actuation of cars flying down park terrace so we have people coming out of that driveway as well and the narrow entrance onto park street from park terrace makes it difficult to go there so just wondering if there's going to be any measures to really is just kind of like a hidden street like no one knew it was there and were getting exposed to it you know we knew about the trains going through doesn't mean we knew turning on the street the pain in the bud and now we're just becoming looks like one hundred to take it over and i feel like in my situation it's actually we're subject to the worst aspects of this project  privacy an eight foot fence in hedges in think i'm a cover for stories of of elderly people you know looking down my family playing outside you know that's more of a six foot fence than had been going to give me any more privacy from those elevations i'm losing some weight in my backyard you know i've got the trash bin there i've got the exhaust fan which honestly anybody else i've had people that live in that building come up to me when i was doing their recordings tell me how terrible it is but you know the so anyway i'm losing property value i was in privacy and losing it's where we choose to live and it's changing to something that it was then when we moved there in the end i don't dispute the need for elderly housing i really don't i i understand it completely i just think maybe this isn't the right love for you or maybe this isn't the right skill project you know that maybe near max mark it would be better for the seniors could get their groceries you know but i don't know i'm just i just feel like we're giving out awful lot and i don't know what we're really you know that we have to get something in return but you know what i mean we're just giv my life savings is in my house and if i lose value of my house so goes that part of my livelihood at the end of my life so i just want to comment that it affects all of us not just of pain which might limit the light that's emitted at night depend not quite sure how bright it could be i'm just kind of wondering if there's like a so i don't think anyone wants to really just project as you suggested you know moving in things like that many people are just you know concerned of how it might affect them and their family in their you know their home and property values and whatnot  so you know i think part of it is to kind of console you know many of the neighbors and and i are here like i said i'm really to be new to this so i don't know if i may have missed in the previous four meetings but is there like do we have projected duration of time like how long this construction you know can we talk about noise pollution a lot and i don't know if you saw her letter that she wrote i have it here duration of the construction and also time of construction do we have any information on that i was going to have this building prefab brought the site and fill sections and put up with a crane so instead of pounding nails for sixty days i probably could have the building up in thirty days messages don't make it noisy and make sure nobody knows it's there and then you're fine and also we talked about moving it to the south side of the building if the works if we can get  park street and residential backyards on schools so if it's at their all in the village center but this particular property happens to sit on a fault line really and so i think you have to be you have to be sensitive to why they voted but you have to measure in all of those on the balance of it that's why i went back and looked at all the rest of the scene that this project does very were not i don't know what would you consider jason i'm just trying to make a point that we don't know exactly what i would be right you know and that's an important point because a lot of our provisions especially the design review are not black and white there's their subject and perfectly reasonable people can disagree on how you interpret things and i can't get into jason marked has been marked ok so you know you were referring to just trying to help out any way you could to make sure the neighbors are happy so that's important here is the condition  preliminary and at that time there were some requests for changes both by the design review board and by the community development director which we happily made and those are in the drawing so whether or not we can get this up on the screen  the information that we have that you have in your drive packet is exactly what we're going to put on the screen so if we don't have it that's the way it is it but you have the information right here for the money these are all the different pieces of information that we believe we are including so it's a very very brief review and we need to look at this project that is the replacement of an existing building that has worn live the new building will be brought forward so it sits only about ten feet back on the sidewalk that was or we could have brought all of the sidewalk but that robin requested that we move and that is allowed to some really lovely streetscape and who will be excited to live in the downtown of essex ga in part because of the easy access to public transportation on site parking we have indoor bike storage for people who will be living there and we think it will continue to define the sense of the village center district increase the you know the economic plan ability of downtown and add to the social fabric of essex just so we're going to go through this sort of villa in a logical to the southeast corner  impervious for the site under the parking lot infiltration chain and what we didn't we were going to balance it offset some of the partially school property turned into our system so we're training environmental threat they are already clean mid sized easily established and perform well in urban surroundings such as the area of the west of the projects like we can exchange them for a species of  drawings and the mean architectural comment that we got last time was a request to look at the area over the entrance  layout and were able to rearrange some of the internal layout so that we can get to windows as you see there that we think are more consistent with the expression of the rest of just curious to know if that's something you guys have really thought about and if you have any concerns about being able to actually lease a space this new look at this building here i think a big reason why they can't leave this place because there's not  began with the rest of the parking spaces so we made some concessions about losing some space to the building you know especially turkey on the ground level i have a grave because that's only needed to do it there really wasn't any other we have the other project behind us that also spent a lot of time trying to maintain that you order because that's been categorized as a fairly important aspect of the historic property and so the extent and i would propose that if it is concerned we would put this leave this as it is but make a stipulation that if we get this serial built out before we plant this treaty the village has an i think you are and where your piece is going to end up is farther down right i think there's some really interesting things we wanted to try to look at where those curb cuts were placed along the side of the building branding is significant you know we're proud of this project i actually happened where where are you proposing this will go for the other way i imagine that it would probably go in more of a vertical orientation on the brick either side  that was partially a reaction to the loss of the people in the interest in going down you know i think that that that was a sort of a super heroic effort because of all the pavement that's there on in this case those trees are going to have larger areas of natural draining soil around it so i don't think that that that kind of you know underground subterranean structure that holds top so many things is necessary if there's enough topsoil in subsoil that the that those trees can get their roots is right off the bat is basically gus and it's a good project when we talk about will cain you fell for it well that's a risk they're taking really i mean they're there they're building the project that's up to that so you know what happens with the retail space you know yeah we want to see it fall but it's not i mean that that's not really part of our discussion at this point that makes sense you know well it does it does give us a little bit  know if you've got some you know tiny little group of them then you get a handful of people most of whom coming down from up stairs you don't have an issue so it really depends on the business you just don't know yet but i think you know we we know that the always going to be that that is going to be one of our biggest challenges going forward i just don't always like to you know automatically say the reason we can't write a retail space is because there's no part well we we haven't shown that to necessarily be the case right we have to