of a historic barnett three browns trace in a rural residential zoning district and the second item is a request by daniel allison morse subdivision parcel as at three twenty eight brown's trace road in the village center's owning district  and the we also have one set of minutes from previous meeting to approve and then we'll adjourn the public meeting at that point so that's the agenda for tonight these proceedings will be conducted in an orderly manner consistent with the rules of procedure you won't need them because i'll walk you through it tonight but if you wanted a written copy of the rules of procedure you could see janet and any point she has written copies at this point i want to formally ask for disclosure of any conflicts of interest for any ex parte communication with board members not ok thank you so at this point we need to discuss the definition of interested persons  interested persons are those who wonder vermont law have the right to appeal an actor decision of the jericho zoning administrator or d r be interested persons include the applicant or if the applicant does not own the subject property the person on a title to the property i mean is a polity that has a plan or by law at issue in an appeal or any municipality adjoining that means of ality a person owning are occupying property in the immediate neighborhood of a property that is subject of any zoning decision or act who can demonstrate a physical or environmental impact on the person's interest under the criteria reviewed and who alleges that the decision or act of confirmed will violate the missile plan or by law any ten persons either voters or landowners who by sign petition to the commerce and community development interested persons status is important because only statue atory defined interested persons may appeal the decision of his own in office or a d or b if an interested person fails to make a timely appeal they're bound by the d's decision or act only those interested persons who have participated in a d every proceeding may appeal a decision re entered in that proceeding in environmental court pursuant to state statute participation consist of offering  or written testimony evidence or a statement of concern related to the subject of the proceedings so i read all this legal east because if there were to be a appeal of any of the decisions we make we would want we would have to as part of that appeal the environmental court would have to determine who interested persons work and who participated so our part of that is to make sure that we know if you participated in this in the hearings so to that and where there's a sign up sheet going around there are a couple of them one for each of the hearings oath and if your intent to participate just say i do i hereby swear that the evidence i give in the cause under consideration shall be the whole truth and nothing but the truth under the pains and penalties of perjury thank you ok so the first item of business is the founder of conditional use review so if i can have the representative of them come up and we'll start with the applicants presentation areas  state septic approval rating of one hundred seventy seven gas parking of eighty seven spaces should be more than adequate for that passage we contemplate hosting weddings corporate events morning service it's best artist best out of that and public dances and other events we would also like to request from the town of third class liquor license  this icon should be preserved for this project and for the residents of jer our concern i'm going to stop at this one from our previous meeting we have a concern from the neighbors about keeping people from going into their yard work contemplating fencing and a two hundred foot and the site plan which we will come back to in a few moments in terms of lighting we are are requesting three two hundred watt downward facing exterior bar lights on the south fans of the two barns and one over each large exterior barn door the lights will be on at eleven o'clock on any function night we also would like to currently there are two hundred watt floodlights on the smaller barn to help illuminate the parking area and we're contemplating having three post lanterns approximately two hundred watts to along the fence line to help get us back to their car cars we also have a sign which i know wires a separate application alumina i illuminated by low voltage solar and we also are asking for five three hundred watt lights that will up light the north side of the barn facing roof fifteen in three three hundred watt lights on the parking side of the barn that will apply this outside of the barn these will only be on during functions and be off by eleven o'clock the parking as we talked about earlier with approximately eighty seven parking spaces and four handicap spaces and again this number should handle all the recipients of the barn sound reduction i'm in the sound business that's been a major concern of mine will plant two two hundred fo rows of hemlock trees between the barn and jeff in katie's property which is approximately three hundred feet away to help with privacy and sound we will also not put any windows on the roof fifteen side of the barn or on the back katie's residence and the barn doors will be closed windows two when the louder music is being played in the sound will be contained the speakers will be projected and placed in the veyron toward  it continuing the sound of need to be said the most weddings are approximately five hours in length of that five hours typically three hours is background music two hours of the louder variety so we're dealing with two hours of music at a higher volume and sound can tame him is what we're proposing we've designed a double door containment system so most of the sound want to scape from the barn that being said on extremely hot days i played in many  wedding the barn can get extremely hot and if that is the case instead of opening all the doors and windows and letting the sound come out we have consequence of lighting purchasing a six thousand square foot evaporative cooler which according to everyone we've spoken to will lower the temperature by thirty degrees which would be make it much more bearable and that's pretty much our presentation we site plans septic issues parking issues you want to tell us what the minimum number of parking spaces are required that many square feet per car and also the that the parking hasn't been designated there a very tense manner either so there is a possibility to accommodate   and we don't have an agreement my son lives in a subdivision and under all saturn they give a very specific agreement regarding plowing and maintenance of the road definitely a good idea and i don't believe there was can you explain more about the lighting plan you described but a lot of different things and on only see a couple of things that are noted on the site right and the site plan i was i was told by brian that the site plan does not get into the cosmetic it least if there were a large parking lot it would be on the large parking lot but the all the lights are on the photos and the renderings that they're worn did so jeff we can get back to the two downward facing barn lights above each large door and this one here shows the entrance there are three post lanterns two along the fence there's one of the close ups of the barn like the barn light on the small barn the only thing that it does not that isn't shown on any of the renderings right above this small barn there are two floodlights that are currently there and they were my fault for not putting them on the there is a view of the front of the barn with the the up lights the five up light primarily saturdays in the wedding business we do proximately two hundred fifty weddings a year and probably two hundred twenty of them are on saturdays occasional friday wedding occasional sunday wedding you're right it wouldn't compete with the with the traffic on the road although i did speak to doug siple about the traffic concerns and he didn't seem to think there were any issues except for possibly clearing some brush for the alexander property in terms of visibility but when when you go to when you have a wedding people trickle out they don't leave at one point if you were to do a barn dance or something like that if it's over at ten o'clock you could have technically one hundred seventy seven people attempting to leave at once and he didn't seem to think that that would be a big issue people have to wait a little bit there will be a light there and people when they come into the event  you know that they do tend to arrive at one time at a wedding so it didn't seem to think that there would be any issues with visibility and people trying to get in and out of out of there and yeah i've done one i'm speaking about the question of site distances would you be the person who would then be responsible for maintaining the vision taishan at the entrance to make sure that you have a privacy shield that the trees from the property on the left side of the driveway but not the right where the parking lot would be the reason for the question parking it does come up into the field and i'm not sure maybe a corner of that barricade way on the right you may be able to see the house from there but the majority of the parking if it does it was designed to block but we also  think the trees we have a view of the mountain which we want to screen the house but we don't screen the mountain which will take a few years but i'm not sure we could definitely look at that and and if if that was an issue we could probably twenty five feet maybe fifty feet of trees on the right side way i think rectified where is the entrance first service people's you mentioned to  as to two large farm doors they can be backed up to all the small barn off to off to the front will be the we're contemplating putting in a catering kitchen so the caterers would unload their stuff in the kitchen and board so the next thing i want to do is we could we do have one piece of written material that came in all of this is a letter from the part apartment that essentially i don't need to read it verbatim but it's essentially says that the part of herman is able s and i did barry i received a letter just a few minutes before the meeting and there was one thing in there that i could email back to said that you know a pawn should be put in with for fire safety and i emailed him back and i said is that a requirement or something that you know would be nice to do and he said it is not a requirement because obviously putting a pond in as it is a fairly big expense i  know clark's truck center is right there there are the river browns river which we used to i don't know if they still do but when my dad was on the fire department they threw water from the browns river which is about an eighth of a mile from the barn so again that's that something that harry said is a nice thing to have if you have a pond but it is not a requirement to what the fire department would request and we have met with the state fire marshal we have a state building permit that obviously tables it's approximately two hundred eighty people but obviously the septic requirements dictate how many people can be there and that's based on square footage of the bar in the inside of the bar minus the bathrooms and minus the bar and when again they haven't set that number they did a quick calculation but it depends upon the building their plans ok we submit understood thank  only possible use of a parking attendant if it was really heavy flow or some major event in tr e three hundred people attend just hypothetically provided they didn't go in the bar and we had extra for the last week we would like to be able to positively do something something like that but not obviously not exceed the capacity inside the bar so that is where the extra parking would put if it was a shuttle if there was again some sort of  the only thing i've had in mind where we used to run the kids fest down in burlington would set up a lot of inflatables and trains and pony rides for the kids and kids would come in for a few hours during the  day they're there my possibly so it's more of an outdoor event it might be something that i would need to come to the board for a once or twice a year to host something like that but that is that that those would be the only times that i would contemplate having more people than one hundred eighty people on the premises for an event and that's again the current capacity is one thing and then you know when we spoke to the natural resources people they said you can run a function ten next to the bar and put in portal lights and not have a fifty thousand dollars septic system but nobody can go in the dark so we  decided that the ten room wasn't something we wanted to do administrative i mean in burlington there is no there or there are parade permits and there are festival permits and all sorts of things that they do because they're worried about the you know the impact on their ability to fire or police protection or whatever it maybe  like is that there would be a condition that says that you have to meet the state can actually permit you know so that would be two hundred eighty people or whatever turns out to be for target access obviously we're doing something other than math and it wouldn't be here would be covered by the  no it is it is specifically it's a catering kitchen versus a commercial restaurant kitchen and this is a big difference and i guess i i take that back i think we are quite right if you seriously have anything to banquet operation so there's basically one set of people that come in one meal that's made and so did its differential from a restaurant but they don't they don't differentiate between having a full a full kitchen in else heard anything else know it doesn't meet the normal you know subdivision i mean the traditional use for teary here i'm not sure how we would handle that but that's what i was asking if there was a way that you know if somebody wants to have a big making sure that you're clear on what's what you're applying for and we're not applying for i don't think that there's any you're if you're applying to use this piece to have some larger number of people on the site so at this point i'm going to switch over to public comment and let me just remind everybody that when we do this anyone who wants to make a public comment please state your name for the record direct questions or comments at the board not the applicant will gather all that eternal organization to hold of a luncheon or a chicken pie supper or something like that in the barn the other is in the kitchen building shows a water line coming to it but i don't see any septic system to that building and is there a new design or is there going to be a design for a septic to that building because certainly if it's a kitchen it'll need it'll need septic service the adaptive reuse section of the brain and usually development regulations and i'm here to tell you that i think this is the highest and best use of just property historic buildings if they're not environment was built by my grandfather and so i would again like to support the adaptive reuse of it certainly is not something that will likely be used for a culture again and certainly would be good to see it preserved and this looks like a very good  driveway where it's going to go and i think my response at that meeting was to you know leave the driveway as it is and see how it goes we talked a little bit about moving the driveway possibly to the extremely cost prohibitive to skirt the right hand side of the parking area and go over the actual fire and the goal of the screen we we did receive an estimate of rob one hundred twenty thousand dollars to do that so we caught up i thought that another opportunity or another possibility might be to skirt the driveway or skirt the parking side on the right and then still come over the existing driveway to katie and jess house and kevin terry sells and that would still be in the range of forty to fifty thousand dollars to change the driveway so i think at our initial meeting the concern was if this gets really busy  are we going to want people to drive through the through a function where people cross through the park and i think my response then was that you know if if this is determined to be a really busy thing where there's a number of functions it would be something we'd look at down the road in maybe five years in terms of not not the park and not the maintenance agreement but possibly changing changing the driveway but right now as we go forward and try to start this project would be cost prohibitive for us to change the driveway before this ventures even started but in in terms of a maintenance agreement for plowing and for road the question also too i'm yeah i'm i'm i'm not really sure how that so so you're saying it's something we saw the property to somebody else and somebody else wanted to change that arrive way so you so you're saying you have an forty eight decibels the road noise from traffic on route fifteen is about fifty two little to sixty decibels the banging up on the big truck comes by we did measurements one hundred feet from the car on you know nightclub average decimal readings or one hundred decibels and so it's good it seems like the barn with all the doors closed contains sound very well and there's also something called overpowering a room where you take sixty acres instead of two and you can reduce the sound volume by a third to two thirds and cover the area and obviously turn down the bass allow subwoofers and contain the here last question that we have is that we had was on the site plan shows water service to the catering kitchen but it doesn't show  mike harris is our attorney just and will cover septic and well issues and traps and will cover storm water and parking we bought three twenty rounds trace and june of two thousand and thirteen with the intentions of being able to build homes we thoroughly researched all the regulations to make certain that we met all the town's requirements to build pending septic and water we met with gen mary at the town several times and met with excavators builders surveyors engineers attorneys well drillers and green mountain power women strongly encouraged by the town all along that's why we invested in the property we made numerous improvements to the building and have invested over five hundred thousand dollars into it including development costs we brought it up to code for fire and safety put in a new furnace leitchfield all new plumbing and wiring and we've remodeled apartments and out of fifth apartment the state would not issue an occupancy permit closing it took three months of repairs to obtain one we also purchased a generator for power outages we made a long term investment in the building and the land we're requesting approval for a standard three lot subdivision of our one point five seven survey acres to include a duplex on the front lot and a single family on the back lot we plan to build housing that will meet the need for affordable housing in the village i get thirty to thirty five emails for every apartment that i rent from people wanting to be in the school district or near family this is a modest proposal for the town regulations and if we had town water and sewer this project would be eligible for a ten to fifteen unit building we also meet the first to market requirements for our water and wastewater permit we have applied for these and have been pre approved we are not asking for any variances and we usually meet the zoning and density requirements the town land use regularization regulations our quarter acre zoning perception five point seven page thirty nine and we need the density requirements of one  per quarter acre per section five point six page thirty seven one of our betters paul rowe who is adjacent to where these houses will go has shown no concern and respect her decision to build all was fine with the original tribe flex and duplex plan and stated that it did not look too crowded the property owner to our left chuck lacy did not oppose or tried lex and duplex plan at the last hearing and only express concern about storm water runoff and parking at our existing building both of these issues have been addressed mr lacey also it was also approved by the t build in two thousand and ten his land and i believe has the potential for additional duplex lots of it is my understanding that the preservation association did not appeal his request in his will shield also goes on to their property how is his act of building different than mine th reverend doug walker of the jericho congregational church our other butter and his wife marcy are our new tenants for the fifth apartment we just built as there is no housing available in the village center we have all state town we have all state and town permits for the preexisting parking apartment space we also meet the regulations for parking per page one twenty three eleven point two point three point two eleven point two point three point one section b is tandem stacked and off street parking are acceptable in the village center march eleventh the jerk o center preservation association sent a letter two days before a last hearing expressing concern and asking if we could modify the scope of our plants i met with bob and bill sherman at their home and after meeting with them and listening to the concerns of the community regarding parking in number of units and the board's question of storm water runoff we made a significant compromise to try and appease all we have withdrawn our tri plex plant on the back lot and replaced it with a new england style single family home this is a significant reduction in surface area parking traffic and reduction in the fire department we have also reduced our septic requirements from a ten bedroom to a seven bedroom we need section one point two of the land use in development regulations for authority and purpose as we are providing for population growth including housing economic development and long range planning consisting of the regional and state guidelines and the town regulations which call for high density development quarter acre in the village center for section five point seven on page thirty seven of the subdivision standards we have occurred approval the fire department the school district have given us a letter stating that they can support the growth in the tax revenues from the project will help to fund the schools and services in the community may also be able to create affordable housing for the elderly as we are considering corporon again office on the first floor elderly housing is one of the fastest growing segments in vermont the housing is a two thousand and fourteen legislative priority and a goal of the town these properties will build community at the store post office churches library and on the village green our small village needs housing to spur economic growth and it revived families that we used to preserve all feel yard these are classic new england style homes the duplex we have one of the happy ass two bedrooms propane heat five star energy rated and be built by a green builder they will rent for fourteen hundred a month this satisfies the town affordable housing goal is the two thousand and thirteen median income for chinning county is nine hundred thirty seven a month including utilities in addition to meeting the land use and development regulations of the town we also meet the two thousand and eleven jericho town vision in goals we meet three of the town plan goals number three to concentrate new development in jericho's three village centers number four to provide for economic development and number seven to provide for a long range long range town planning consistent with the regional and state guidelines we meet the town plan for housing in multifamily housing the two thousand and eleven jericho town plan is a goal of achieving thirty point eight new dwelling units per year in a ten year goal of three hundred eight units the town plan states however the rate of development jericho would have to increase significantly to achieve the target thirty point eight points per year our proposal will help to achieve this goal we trust you can see the benefits of what we're trying to accomplish and how it will serve the community and meet the needs of the towns plan and provide much needed housing and a mindful and thoughtful way discussions with just as well as the preservation association as many options for replac with our proposed plan if that's what they are truly concerned about we've modified our plan we've worked with neighbors in the community and proton and state regulations were permitted to build in this area and we respectfully asked to be approved a lead just in the trafton and michael make their is being questioned you you can explain that you had the fire marshal going there there was an apartment there right that had been abandoned for a while you know there was living space that was there and we had the fire marshal look at it when they did the state fire and safety permit they issued a permit for it this summer and i had to go through the town through john's work i spoke with jan i spoke with the assessor and i said you know what do i need to do for paperwork on this and i get all my paperwork and an occupancy permit and i've got all the permits us to demonstrate that there  concern that these loss that your replacement well what i did i've spoken with the state engineer about this particular project several times i also have a lot of experience doing this design well over a thousand unusable if we if they can't use this particular area is a potential for that the fact the matter is the state of law does not condemn buildings on the basis of septic they provided they were allowed whatever  to shy away from that if possible but they are allowed to do it if necessary the second option which is a little interesting is that they could design a star the replacement system now system you mean for the new buildings right the septic for the new buildings for the duplex in a single family i think you said more perceptive for the existing no no i'm talking about moving the septic tank for that service the existing building is two years two is forty two feet pro are options and again the state i get variances almost every day from the state because i have no choice they don't condemn property all in all it does is if you get variances you're restricted from increasing driveway parking braiding storm water issues and what we've done is to provide a  which is certainly a good thing you don't have you would have the condition of someone trying to leave the property and someone being stopped on grounds of race trying to enter into the property tr should not have a slope greater than ten percent and should have an obstructed height thirteen feet six inches above the driveway and all those conditions we have sixteen foot with for a short i do have a i did put together most subdivision has projected area of disturbance that would be new construction of forty five acres of the new impervious area created driveways parking etc etc lot number one is fifty four hundred square feet so total impervious area twelve thousand nine hundred forty five square feet under these conditions a state somewhere permit is not disturbance must have temporary or final stabilization within seven days of the servants at this time any disturbance in the area must be stabilized and the work day solution is not required if work is to continue in the area within the next twenty and we also did provide a final rating plan with finish floor elevations for the two structures so you can see that there is grading showing us place still around each of swale along the south end of the driveway so it's two five and four again i wish brian was here he could keep elaborate but i don't think they he was asked to pull any further than this point i'm told what he did demonstrate is t that there is acceptable soil albeit it made the amount system tested five of the shelling around tested for it is the best bit but again i spoke with a state engineer and she said that she would have a problem  that well she'll know i don't know by how much that's something that they would prescribe but if they need it whatever roommate need to accomplish a replacement system they can get how much it's going to increased in this case but you have to reveal plans to the neighbors all the trenches basically change i was working with i slid it down the hill it gives us more working room between a lot one system gives us for oversize it's right now it's one hundred fifty percent because i don't have a replacement but i have i might have an extra ten or fifteen percent aside and i don't have to narrow it to a minimum i don't like doing ok so hearing hearing no objection i'm going to do that and i know that there may be some complicated issues the bags and some of the people want out for the public want to get to us and that's fine you don't have to be able to make a complete presentation in five minutes the important thing is that any information that you want to get to the board for this you can get it to us and that if you want to give you five minutes to explain it tell us why it's important to have everyone else in the public he so that's what i'd like to do to try to make sure everybody's getting out like you two and if we're when we're when we're done if we have more time if there's some other concerns we can we can try to try to deal with them can and i was so i want to tell people that we're going to get up go to go to public comment at this time when you make a comment please tell us your name for the record and we'll  gather comments or concerns to the board or questions to the board not to the application not expect the applicant answer we're going to gather all that stuff together and then we'll get the applicant to answer questions and answer we want to say we're going to do this not is there any system well  a different conclusion however i have spoken with all of the previous owners going back to tom morris which would time second question what is the residential capacity for the proposed single residen ok what is the real presidential capacity things this thing in the apartment structure and how many people are living there now units in the building and this is still the existing parking lot that i own that time you could park two cars in the garage two cars in front and  that used to only hold five or six cars i think were these to understand that part of the staring the parking situation needs to be pressed there is a serious very short time almost before the fire department to come from the fire house to the building i don't know what the fire marshal looked at but from what i might understand one property as stated where you really have to leave the sidewalk and go into the streets as you go down the sidewalk because the cars are in tandem parked at the dwelling i don't know if in other municipalities you could really get away with parking on a sidewalk but that's essentially what's going on so i was just wondering for clarification of how the part of sidewalk easement goes you know the rules for that as far as the parking area is concerned  i know that those retsinas really need to also move their cars out of those spaces whenever they have a cow and have to plow the sidewalks door in the winter so i think it's a pretty recognizable and recognized you know protection handrails all the other things go along with fire safety so i've got to begin with a new construction on the state was heavily involved in that remodel in the apartment that was there that was done in my mind concerns are more along the rights of home of landowners in print certainly that's always balance with the concerns of the community and all the other valid you know issues that are brought up here but i know when the building was bought that the cost involved of the building it was important to be able to follow the zoning regulations for him to add another unit whether that was done haha you know that was done obviously legally with a lot of expense and time and energy i just see it to be a reason follow the guidelines as well as everything else he's doing there and i guess i would hope that it's recognized that this is the zoning regulations which were developed by the board in the town and voted on allow certain things to happen and when you fall  regulations i think it is sometimes inappropriate to max out what you're allowed to do and i think that it's been demonstrated you know from what i'm hearing with engineering all that this is not a maxed out property the application was withdrawn out of concern and respect for the concerns that were addressed today and so i guess i would just hope that that would be recognized by the board in public and i understand the sale of uncertainty in regards to the back area and that's another situation where our land owners have a right to develop their properties i don't think that their hand is just looking to do something to cause which is something sounds like it's happening that the system fails for the church that nothing can be done back in here that it all i hear that it could the church may not be able to put things exactly where they want to put it which would be nice that i could be done other hand this regulations in place for dealing with sceptics of certain types of septic system to be installed because perhaps mitigate the amount of space that has to be taken up in that backfill which god knows that there would be an athletic field but obviously there's ways that play septic systems you know you know take that in consideration and it's possible that more money may have  different type of septic system back there but that's the same thing he's doing here on his property there's alternative systems and that's expensive these days to do that but i guess that's you know that's what happens when you develop a plan but i guess i'm i think it's reasonable to assume that a homeowner a landowner has a right to develop property in a reasonable way i think he's trying to do that here and i was i'm biased towards home ownership of land ownership and development rights for people in respect and i don't thank  tenant in that building for five years now i certainly can speak to in a plot of the improvements that mr or mrs morris have made to the building since they have become the owners of the building they have extensively worked on plumbing in the building they worked on wiring in the building i can assure you as a tenant of the building the building is very safe i have brand new windows i have brand new flooring throughout my apartment i have wiring for hard wired small detectors and i feel very safe living in this building however the system first i'm hearing that it used to host coughing but that's another discussion for another time i've been a resident of jericho since one nine hundred eighty nine and seven years ago when my living situation changed and i found myself in need of having to look for a new place to live i was forced to move out of jericho and leave my children as residents of jericho because to be honest with you i could not find affordable housing in the town of jericho nor could i find anything that was vacant in the time my children were both born and raised here in jericho went through the jericho system for education and they're proud graduates of my mansfield and that's one of the reasons i'm an educator i'm a superintendent of schools and this one of the reasons why we moved to jericho is because of the school system mice living situation changed and i was forced to leave the town of jericho and not live close to my children because i could not find affordable housing in the community and i had  then two years living outside of jericho i was fortunate five almost six years ago to move into this building i've been there ever sence i'm very happy to be living and if you tend to resist and i'm here to speak in favor in support of their proposal i have a twenty three year old daughter and son in law who are also my daughter was born and raised here in europe though would like to live here in jericho but because we are not able to find affordable housing or vacant housing apartments for them they are living outside of the community that my daughter wishes to come back to and be a member of i've heard a lot of conversations about preserving jericho center but also talking about developing jericho and the community of jericho as someone who was looking for residency in jericho and had to move away and spent two years outside of jericho and as someone who is a parent and it community member whose child wants to come back to her community she is not able to do that because of the lack of affordable housing in this community so i think it behooves all of us as residents to do what we can to promote our children and our youth to be able to stay in their community i say that not only as a parent but also as an educator so thank you for your school had many kids there we have a much lower usage now with the church being mostly a sunday morning only situation and there for there was a permit to connect to it with the church buildings where the church building and the churches office building work used to be a school and the community center of the gymnasium the school historically that's very concerned about having not only a subway system but an optional suffix system in her future it's my understanding and believe that there can be an optimal solution that can meet the advocate of property rights but we need to be careful that goes for rights each individual property owner will prevent another property owner from going what they need to do and clearly this is a critical use for the major infrastructure of the valley thank you yes or in the back get some to come back out the house and challenge the situation here is typically cars are blocking the sidewalk and ten twelve years ago we had almost no children center preservation association septic table and they need to put in a replacement septic before the morses well f for both groups i know he is very tried to be very flexible about working with everybody in trying to get the best solution for everything i know that the preservation place over here i understand they have a septic issue if you would have known about buildings as a sad setter for the community and for the larger community and i just hope these things continue to matter the second thing yes and i didn't take any pictures but i'm very aware of what goes on in the street and it's been happening more and more often that traffic is being held up long is the work and coming in and out of that story with that number of callers we've never been but one car family ever but now that that's no longer buildings and i think it's really important just to also look at the amount of usage and the number of people served by these buildings and the number of people dependent on having a functional septic system you want to do you want to go back over these or shall i start with my last go ahead ok so there was a question about what's the capacity in other words address this is just simply by factors then you know apartment situation anything under three bedrooms or under it's two people potentially two people per bedroom and given that that said  reason that the existing well need to replace it is that correct yes with some you know we have to do some things you know move or suffocate potentially yes but we're in a catch twenty two situation really here where if there septic wasn't there now we may not even be proposing this new place well acquainted i'm really surprised that some of the comments and suggestions how well some of these people are planning you know i mean coming up with ideas about a designated replacement well for instance on the j c p a lake there are many options you it all comes down to somebody has to take the initiative to if they're willing to work with us we will this we need to leave this meeting and perhaps somebody needs to make make the addition of a condition our permit is is in the process right now the state we actually that happens i actually like the time it's such at that that if we want to make changes midstream during the planning process we call the state hold and then we send in many plans so there's several options somebody we just need to talk if that is an underlying issue that and that's got to be eighteen feet deep per car thirty six so i've got that it also says in the regulations that they can park on the street tandem parking is allowed so it's all in the all in the regulations association i sent an e mail out asked everybody to park it parked right in the building in tandem in their assigned space make their part there for years because nobody had ever really said anything so they felt comfortable but the minute i asked them to do that they moved their cars over so jets i'm just trying to go through the process here make sure go questions there was a question about whether the g c p a has a right of way to access the bt three thirty parcel in the back can someone from the g c p a answer that i mean i i can tell you from the from the drawing that there is a right of way to brown's trace at the north side of any significant runoff coming from the subject property the most property on to the police we be doing something in terms of the designated place where you don't really have authority over water and stuff but we would if you know for instance we did propose a force made piping down the south line we would be sure you need do you have an a moot point because you might now i don't know if you want to take the risk of having the d m v make a decision on your application with the information we have now or if you want to make yourself choose to carouse again for the flexibility to modify without having to come back now as the hearing closes if you make changes then we're talking about doing an amendment which is again different action so we don't have any administrative remedy to say we're going to we're going to you know just just hang out and not do it unless you contend we can continue to a date certain tomorrow morning and by the am or next thursday or anytime we want but we can but we can't say we're going to close and then change that so it sounds like it would be constructive to leave the ability to make changes very soon and if that's the case and probably then the way we would do that is to continue to a date certain that's very soon