in but i guess what seems to be a major difference between you and the others saw it and that's the quote of international trade is you kind of are limiting it to what the screw is anchored correct and my question is the material where the thread is actually being made is going to be the increment area which is here what i it's indisputed that these screws are used to be anchored into what even when they're being used with other material such as cheap metal or fiberboard and things of that nature that the bottom material is always think a material and so when you have the screws with the bottom two thirds of the thread or excuse me the bottom two thirds of the shank part of a part that is actually threaded when you're looking a not maybe i'm missing maybe i'm misunderstanding you or maybe you misunderstood my lack of clarity with just my question isn't whether you're right or wrong in terms of whether it's anchor you and i but it is why that should be the determine of criteria i think it should be the termit of criteria because that is what the definitions explanatory notes the expert opinions all suggest joe green slate who was the government's expert here he is the head of the committee that writes the n s i a w i mean i would agree with that that there is not an explicit reference to the you cite right i ate again as i said i do agree partially with that again the expert testimony did say that i think that the dictionary definitions while they don't use the strong anchoring they really are implying that it is sane for material when they say things like yes but if you look at the webster's dictionary that one actually does use the term insertion and i think that that is one that i was referring to mostly when i was discussing with its webster's third new international pointed scrap metal screw formed with a sharp maybe possibly you may be able to use that in what in some limited circumstances i don't think that would be the ideal use of self tapping screw and so then we should look at something other than enc into work i would say that it would not be ideal to anchor that screw into what i can't say for certain whether or not it could or could not be used and would under any circumstance but there are certain physical characteristics look at the scheme the tariff scheme for screws generally the term other if you have something like sheep metal you're not going to be able to compress that because it just doesn't compress you're going to have to cut it so instead you know this distinction between threat forming threat coming i really don't think is is the distinction of the court really because of that able to penetrate much harder and denser rituals like plastics sheet metal slate the other kinds of things manmade materials that are not fibrous not not not the w strong enough to pierce through certain harder material such as you know metal or slate and things of that instance should not make a screw not what screw if it is intended to outdated reference to something that just does not exist and is not on the market so to the extent that this court were to ratify the lower court's decision and say that with scripts only this type of screw the can effects would too would you're basically saying that there is now this terrified out there for something that doesn't exist anymore and it's not in the market every screw that we have in the market today has the ability to affix some non recently material to what that is just the reality of the marketplace today when it comes to screws but this is not i mean just on that point of the side of this case that happens right i mean the court classifications things can change and some products that are covered under quit classifications that were created to cover evolutions in certain products of here if a screw is still intended to be used in wood even if it can be used in other instances for non which would applications it would still be covered by this provision of the wood screws and i think that the fact that it's still out there and still a terror provision congress is not you know taken out of the tariff provisions generally would indicate that this still should have some sort of you thank you thank