on my left his deep thinker tim steve is one of the newer members of the board he has extensive experience in renewable energy and conservation buildings and also wrote many of the via laws for energy conservation from his relatives in massachusetts and has extensive experience in housing in utility infrastructure projects all over the world were the u navy he was also one of the primary architects of the revision and development of the new zoning world as our see which was introduced  home greater than thirty percent of existing gross florrie area at seventy five laurel road  any case this is been a process i should say this was probably for the board in july we were ready to vote on it at the last meeting of the planning board but unfortunately because of the resignation of two members of the board we were not able to have a quorum of members to vote in a super majority who were qualified so we suggested to the applicant and they thought it was reasonable to withdraw their application resubmit their to think i were neighbors with once again if chosen to spend their time to come here and support us so i would like to give you a brief introduction of the project that we are proposing and an update on the situation it over the years making is as nice as possible but at the same time is a very small house has thirteen hundred square feet and we have been thinking and planning this renovation for a pretty long time add on some of the should have space and actually also improve a little bit the aesthetics of the front and the functionality of the front there is an area the front in the front that is basically a three season porch that was enclosed by the previous owner it's not insulated the reason why we're here in front of the plane in board is because of the lot our lot that we see is deem non conforming and is nonconforming because of the frontage measurement of the lot not because of the sizes and one thousand square feet lo few key points were brought up in terms of concern including the overall fit of the house in the in the neighborhood so our attempt and the reason why we spent so much time in planning with the architect really ensure that we would do something that was a fit with the current is steady chs and as well as you know general size of the neighborhood so we believe that we have a design that is a good fit with the neighborhood we also spent time talking with our neighbors have forty one letters of support out of the forty one abiders and a lot of support also visible at the previous meetings that we have here in person and  additional at the friends and neighbors here in person today and we thank him very much for being here so we believe that the overall fit is of the the house is within within the neighborhood it is strong fit an additional point that was brought up was the the roof height the current structure is twenty eight feet high and that houses adjacent to our so they're right in the left one is thirty and one is thirty two the house is on the other side  believe one is security and a half or so so you know by being it from twenty eight to thirty though it is an increase and we recognize it is an increase and you know it could be very well visible here i believe that but it is all within the height of the other houses in the neighborhood as well as of course within the building requirements which would allow up to thirty four feet so we don't believe that the height of the roof at this point would justify going back  of the house right now relative to the rest of the neighborhood you know we we again once believe that we are pretty good fit in what is the more or less the average size of the neighborhood or the third part tile if we want to go back into the discussion of the actual within the district that you are very familiar with what are your thoughts well as i just said i think the last time we were able to address this everything about this looks ok we move on now to the second public hearing of the evening us fifteen raleigh road steve would you read it please notice here by given and in terms of the graphics the dark portion here is the portion of the house which will be renovated and the back portion will be demolished the six is staying small one  story stair there a little bathroom one story bathroom addition and another one storey greenhouse addition those will be removed and the design of the house was pretty much generated by virtue of the requirements for being accessible and to provide an area that would allow linda and john to have a bedroom on the first and now there is a real dishes on a kitchen and that's basically it this landing and stair provides the opportunity to open the doors double doors here and enjoy the garden linda is a fantastic gardener and a great deal of the of the design was generated in order to provide a relationship  so this is the street side of the house and we're just going to take a small area here and it's kind of rotten and we're just going to replace it pretty much with it it's on its scale with with the porch  looks like and we are going to be just maintaining this roof y and extending out pretty much as far as that's extended out and then you can see that the landing sort of waterfall chosen is the first of all it's a big if the well done it's a very long lasting it's for children as well as the neighboring houses there's quite a few cycle houses on the street and soon the idea that it would speak to the know you want to put it let's put it in the context of going to the neighbors heard analysis now yes we will let people come up and talk but first we want to take a look at what's proposed and put it in the context of the neighborhood and  get up to speed with g i s to try to put those numbers into something just simple that is easy to understand and so what's been sure is now about to go over we now have actually four of the three other be helpful in this in the neighborhood analysis is perfect the way it is i'm not sure but he might be but there also may be some addition from ation you'd like to see going forward with other applications is we have given numbers and we've given quintiles of where you fit in terms of gross billing area and lot coverage to what and that was important information that sometimes that was a little hard to understand into place sub the subject property within the context of the neighborhood so what we've done on this since spencer is done a terrific job on this we saw this in our package that they came to us on friday so we've had a chance to look at this and this will put an analysis or if you do you'll be able to see the neighborhood here and the dimensions of the development and how here or are depicted in the materials that were handed out to the board but if if they were you would notice that along the western side of the neighborhood in the southern portion of the neighborhood is where most of the two family yes this light is depicting the range in a lot sizes within the neighborhood in down by the light a shade is properties that are below what is  these are the total living areas that are across this right so this is the size of the host that you have inside exactly and so you'll notice the again on the western and southern portions of the neighborhood is where the larger  is located proximate to injury areas and again both the proposed and the existing f a r remain in that same range it doesn't increase to advance or range and this is the florida area ratio that which is how much is built so one of the things that we're going to be discussing the board's going to be discussing a lot this coming year as the generalizations by law it's reviewed is  the data that is used to help evaluate these applications you're correct gross floor area is defined it's it's the exterior of the structures including a detached garage in this case we're talking total livable area that's a defined term by the board of assessors and because up with the f a r and because you're using that same data point the total of the area for the whole neighborhood it's all good it's the data is all going to be relative anyway  and interpretation of question that the board certainly can as the authority of the permanent authority with in that on that point you can say our point out something else spencer noted if you could go back as the previous map although that's maybe even go in the chose much as a matter anyway the legend break down up to five thousand five thousand to six twenty nine seven and over and the reason why those numbers were chosen is that five thousand square feet is what is required for a single residence home in the family home the purple color is the fifteen raleigh road road and if there had been say seventy raleigh road also would be paid for the to also highlight that you know there was a case that's relevant to yet decision we're making here and that actually will be that's the that's the last slide right spencer yes yes you also know that it's much easier to read the print outs than to see it on the screen you know we will see if we can do something about i mean i have fifteen and my sister and i own the property in the corner of raleigh road in common street three fifty common and within that house for over sixty years and we certainly welcome the wolves who do everything with wonderful style if you turn on to raleigh road you notice the most beautiful yard on all of raleigh road and the whole area is linda and john's it is absolutely beautiful every season of the year and we have total faith in their plans  sharing them with us now for many many months and as you notice the neighborhood is crowded that's what happens in that part of belmont and raleigh road has face the front yard is the same size as all the other are just going up the street you get into the real density when you go south on common street and here warwick and chester and the other roads we certainly are in total favor of our neighbors thank you my my mother and so we're trying to be and it kind of new and engage neighbors and and it's a wonderful neighborhood we think the plans really are well integrated into the neighborhood i also have my mother living with us and so aging in place is really something that we would support because bellman has a lot of young families and we really would also like to that that belmont housing be able to maintain  one i also like the left oh good very i agree when we opened it up when i opened it up it was a pleasure to read it it just had all the boxes and everything and i was i thought the design the landscaping were very well done it was in keeping with the neighborhood the package itself was terrific and the concept of aging in place which many of us will be doing sooner rather than later was very interesting and i learned something from that ok do i hear a motion that we vote on the special permit for fifteen probably wrote to bring to grant a special permit for fifteen raleigh roads if everybody is ready cliff rober with rover survey i'm here for william sullivan i call him chip so if i say that it's the same  person i basically wanted to go over a little bit about what this house is how how it's different in the then most of the other houses in the neighborhood when what we're proposing to do the first thing chip bought the house in one thousand nine hundred eighty seven so he's old owned it for thirty years it is in a less than desirable shape it needs and needs a lot of work and that's one of the reasons we're here now is to be able to get that work done it was built in one nine hundred twenty two this is one of the only three deckers in this whole entire area there are a another couple three family houses but mainly they are more standard two and a half storey type dwellings this is what you would notice is a straight three  decker we are actually on a fairly large lot it's seventy eight hundred fifty square feet and as mr willard was talking about two family houses require seven thousand there's nothing really saying anything about two families one of the issues we do have is our house is on a bay window they walk out three point two feet away from the property line the rest of the house is four point nine feet you do have the plop plans in your folder which is showing the location of the house we are proposing in addition off the ba which will maintain that wall of four point nine feet in addition to that we're proposing a three storey deck like there is right now but behind that along with a better ego rest stairwell and exit off the left side of the house which is the driveway side which has more  i'm not sure of jeff's change this but this house has six bedrooms total at this point there was a question whether there were eight i'm sure in the past that people have used for eight bedrooms because the it's the old style where ever all the rooms are sectional ised so it makes it very easy to have it and the dish and bed room created what we're proposing to do is to ok this actually shows what we're proposing to do we're proposing on the bottom left which is the front right of the building to create that is a master bedroom along with a walk in closet and a master bath behind that would be the family area and and behind the family area is where the addition will be which will be the expanded area for kitchen kitchen expansion and living area the second bedroom which was in the past in the in the same place and we are not moving that second bedroom theoretically in the past where we have this for our master bedroom suite is actually the living room so we are changing around the orientation inside that was the living room the middle of the dining room and the back right was a bedroom so we are making this so not only is it a two bedroom but you are not going to have the ability to have someone sectional eyes off areas and create a three or four bedroom unit on each of these floors so even though we are adding area we are making it more conforming to what coverage shown on the proposed plan existing like coverage is twenty four point three percent maximum coverage is thirty percent however what we are planning besides putting the addition on with the stairwell we are actually proposing to remove a three car garage that is not necessarily in great shape so by taking down that three car garage and with this addition we are actually creating less slot coverage on this lot we are reducing the cot like coverage to about two percent down to twenty two point four that being said the fact that we do have a three family house we do want to have parking for the three units and on the landscape plan you'll see the parking garage is now gone but behind the house is now an area where we can put the cars so we don't have additional cars on the street the area on the top the top right which is the back left it extends back so we don't have to have cars backing out onto the street they can actually back up and pull front ways out on the street making it a little safer to get three feet from the rear deck that we're proposing to the to the rear line so we do have a very deep wad it's one hundred fifty seven feet deep if you'd like i can get into some of the floor area calculations now i will let jeff and his his coworker talk about the floor area calculations and hopefully if how you're going to class the building the outside exterior the building currently the exterior of the building is aluminum siding we are proposing to take off the aluminum siding and actually use vinyl siding the sides that we are actually proposing to remove all the windows and replace them with windows of the same character in other words two over one window which is what's currently there so we're replacing it with something the same as you would see right now i think that the doors are similar design is what's on there now so we're not proposing to change what the look is on the outside we are however bring this up proposing to rebuild the front of the house the the deck that's there i would actually say is dangerous at this point because it only has horizontal slash three horizontal slats in the whole deck and the back we're going to be tossing that with the same type of variable bal it's safer than what's out there now i see that every day when i take my dog to the cue and i'm amazed at the up at this point of my question is how long because because i forget when you walk by the street box when you take a look in i mean there are broken windows and stuff is the building empty right along with it them two years to leave we actually it's been vacant for two years we actually have we have tried been bringing this up and putting this together since february so this is eight eight eight eight nine months into the process of getting the information that we need and actually getting it to you to to view it's an interesting it's an interesting project in the sense that i mean there are six decker's but i think it is around you know especially in the condos i think this is one of the few triple deckers that you see if you if you go to do it yes he see these all over the place i mean you welcome back and ask you a  have a dimension for the back of the parking area to the back of the back there and it would be helpful just for reference to know what the with the gravel parking that if i could interject that the ninety four is actually an elevation of the corner the existing garage the house the existing or the proposed i'm sorry the proposed three storey deck is eighty three and a half feet from the back property line and actually the back of the parking area is forty nine feet from the from the back of the wild so subtracting the few feet or so we're probably looking at dimensions on to the plan so yes you can have sufficient information and actually i just have to subtraction that the depth we're talking about is thirty or thirty one feet across it which is about three well and just in the whole x access base you really don't need to fully teens also i might add we're talking about an existing house where we're not proposing to build a new house where you inhabit the other thing is if you go to the existing plan you can see that there is a three car garage but there's not even three spaces in front of that so there's there's less space in the existing conditions than there is in the proposed my i was getting at just providing enough parking to meet the needs for three homes but not having excessive pavement and i think that takes that into account we also did allow and you'll see it on the landscape plan for a buffer between the parking where the cars will head in and the neighboring house so we did create some buffer there so their lights would not go flashing into the neighboring years just knowing that you can't rebuild it i'm just curious and it opens it opens it up would take the garage that's a big arrives there that's a big garage the whole  a no no i perhaps i didn't clarify it well enough i'm saying the bay is three point two the rest of the existing house is actually at four decide and there compressors if there's a picture of it the compressors are proposed to be in the center of the roof and therefore you're not going to see them when you're standing at the street in front of the house or if you're standing on the side you are more from the park which is curious that it looks like or what it would look like from that you should do we have comments from the public would anybody from the public like to speak and for this step come to the microphone introduce  yourself i'm going to crawl i live that eight walnut street about three houses from this property and i must say i came in here hoping that i would say this anything will be an improvement to our neighborhood and the better and you're doing this to all three floors says that correct ok that's all i want to thank you thank you is there anybody else who would like to speak terms of this  little to the right they're all wide open so we're trying to keep in keeping with the rest of the neighbors because i'll i like landscape now like shrubs and plants i do a lot of it but we're just trying to maintain what was there some of the block so would you look at it and we can i think it will be yours short discussion for the next ok so for the next meeting if you could come back to us with we would like to see the dimensions in terms of the par are you wanting us to get an idea from you know three four five hundred feet or because at that point you wouldn't be able to really see an air conditioner on the top of the roof that well anyway but i'm just wondering for the angle but you know if i think tuesday we can certainly supply it to jeffrey by tuesday a sketch showing that also the plan showing the dimensions you so do i hear a motion to continue the public hearing until november sixteenth so here second the whole affair thank you we you walk us through the structure of the building the layout of the building  feet per unit three bedrooms and two full and two happens i think it was twenty eight per per unit which is ten forty per floor per unit that so first floor when you come in the closet to the left we're going on the right unit first so you can follow me there's going to be an office over to the right as you walk in the front door so the stairs come in on the front porch there's a four year there's the office to the right and there's a big open there's a big open room with the kitchen on the left hand or you know of it a great room on the right hand por bathroom these two bedrooms you walk down at the end of the hallway you have a master bedroom two closets to walk in closets and a master bathroom ok previously built this house in the past that did have a walk up attic with the limited that and brought the ceiling height down as low as we possibly could do that so that you can't get up there  and then in the rear yard we just have a patio we put a fence to divide the the two two spaces so each neighbor can have their own provide you some nice landscaping in the front the whole back today's new models very low density the high efficiency so they don't they're not like the older ones where they're generating a lot of noise they do generat to be serviceable so if i put a fence which i am down the middle of the a lot line need to have three feet to service the the condenser you have the stairs on one side and the fence on the other side so now the units would have to be what we would call  they live in the in the sewer system is where they live so when they started wherever it is whether it's in the city yard or down the street on trial a road for free just come out so we do provide rodent control before we demo the house we have to provide that we can go a step further and provide some external traps around the yard to try to control the best that we can they are on the ground you know when we when we get waverly street we knew that they were there in the in the in the old barn we did the best we could the seventeenth street fighter i know he does evil work because i've seen his work on the character but i don't think the house is if you look at our street our end of the street the house is a single family houses on the right right in the front should have a title o would be great ok is it possible to make a separate eight half by eleven sheet that will spell out all the materials we'd like to with that would be great but we would like to stop the erosion more than what's happening but i can't unless he's willing to work with me to do something on in his yard i'm just looking from installing a fence are you creating a correct what's the back line and then you're having a fence on the back property line so is that fence looking like rather than that right at the same height is it up oh no just you look at the elevations they actually climbs beyond my lot line another couple of feet onto it you'll see it carries up another two feet and then the lot line i'd have to really go back out there to walk his property see if it climbs any more than that ok so you  on the back of the property to try to curb an existing problem much there so if it means to put a two foot wall all the way across the back property line i think that should resolve that issue and i put the fence on top of the wall so now you not only have i don't have the exact measurements but i really have to go on his property to to look at that but you could possibly only have a right each unit is required to have two part right spaces and as originally opposed which the landscape plan on the screen shows the you know back to be square in the driveway to access those spaces is this is roughly in the same location the reason for this and this is the first time the board has come across this is that there is an existing street tree right there and you can see the outline of the tree right there so in order for the driveway to go straight in and you have to remove the street tree i'm going to let spencer speak to what he discovered with respect to the whole street three issue in just a minute the additional space down here what does that tell you that that's a utility pole right there so again the only way that you can go straight back is if they move the they move the toilet bowl so that's why the play and shows in both instances the driveway at an angle structure of sort at the end of the parking lot was on the x yeah that's the that's the farmer's ok art which is sort of what limits you to really not not extending the driveway any further back function that like spencer said maybe a couple of months of lobby and we give some more trees on the street that's going to happen utility with that a little more show it's a little bit more entails and that's the reason why it's drawn like that is we would like to get approved the way it is i'm not i would not like to make it subject to having the remove holes but i would be a gentleman and tell you that we would go forward to try to have them removed it's it helps us as well when we we originally would like the drivers to go straight out  so then would you then so would say this goes through and it gets approved and we approve the site plan which shows to drive with the way they are you have to go and you go rules to take those things  board's full blessing so when he goes talk to the street board and he could say listen i went to the bank board they support we move all of this tree in planting of additional streets ok if however they enact  process maybe the tree boredom that decides it now trees trees should stay then you would just revert back to what exists so that the condition of the road in such that go seek it get changed if that if they can get it where by removing the tree and moving the utility pole that we can sort of approve that ahead of time we can get our blessing you heard  houses back in the seventy's and they typically about forty eight feet know we should continue this do we want to do this on the sixteenth to kill you get your material done by i think would have to be tuesday this coming tuesday for us to push opposite of that do i hear a motion to continue the public hearing on this property oh the issues that we have excuse me excuse me ok thank you thank you the third the third item is the discussion of the petition to change the planning board who elected board we had some comments on this at the last meeting i don't know if anybody has any particular comments on this my feeling on this is that because it affects us it's probably not appropriate for us to vote on this but if anybody has thoughts on it people like to hear that jeffrey has provided us with with a timeline for the general residence process that we're going to go through i think we can read that i don't want to go through that in terms of time if we can go through that the second one is on the open meetings law updates we have some material that's from town council we've also all gotten material from the town clerk in terms of the open meeting law i suggest and then tell us about the joint meeting with the zoning board of appeals and i know this is a tentative date to see if this will work for us correct what is the subject of that so there actually are two applications that have come i be combined and on that property a two is to construct a seven thousand square foot plus or minus commercial building and that building requires special permit from this one but appeals it's greater than five thousand home and they are proposing to construct roughly a five thousand square foot addition on the side of their building the industry the government the new the nursing home was ok and they were granted they used variance back in the fifty's to construct i believe the fifty's to construct their nursing home the my understanding is that there are the last remaining use variants in town used variances are not allowed anymore and any modification that the nursing home goes through and as you said they were one several years ago they've had various ones over time yes any time they do want to build an addition they have to modify the existing use variance so that's from the zoning board repeals and again because the addition is greater than twenty five hundred square feet they have to go to design  that time there also be there should be two additional members appointed to this committee so we'll have to do a design so review and approve it we certainly want to prove it in one you know those things usually take longer than that but what typically happens with a joint meeting is the applicant presents the app present the whole application to both boards in then there might be some questions in the moment and certainly there will be some com permanent shows and then you would some then you would do your process and let them go off on this bunch of process doesn't it but it's a way to try to be efficient by bringing everybody joining together so they ok number five which is the committee appointed so we just have some housekeeping to do in terms of this so steve who had been appointed to the