forward to us presenting potential projects to increase the number of units that their structure could contain and we've had to say no because the density increases their use of the project for more than fifty percent of the property and looking to address on and they defeated regs addressed those issues low density and law coverage but that the whole or this that if you set limits i think we're always going to run into problems and i think at some point you need some disks to let the order seems to give some discretion to us as to we as a bore to make some decisions i mean you could allow them at a certain love and prop awesomely give discretion because you're going to find it impossible to write  ordinance that covers every particular situation in the village too and i think if there were some guidelines or some sort  of discretion could be given to the poor to make increases based on that particular application that that might be a fruitful way to go with development except back there so how do you get creative to encourage growth of the village by taking advantage of properties we ask by taking advantage of the problems we already have  the way they were structured often many years ago and there aren't any other pointers about consistency is with the town plan or are there issues you run into other than the specific offered for multi unit of buildings on the same hotmail third of an acre is a third of an acre now and that's the minimum that you should have but you should be allowed to be able to put multi unit put forward in in the proposed regs was resident owned rental units so that too there wasn't necessarily the absentee knows that the property would be more likely to be better being tainted if the owner down on the premises i think that's really because they would be dealing with the neighbors and they would have their you certainly have examples of  goodly at lord's good of good stewards who take care of their property you also have a number of homeowners who don't take care of their property so i'm not sure that the fact that it's owner occupied them you guys would be comfortable with the maker again i mean it really depends i mean a lot where it comes down like this and you've got an acre of a lot but half a lot is a hillside down to a flat area now but you know that's again discretion that's why i'm pointing out that it's very difficult to write it ordinance that takes into account every particular lot situation so of discretion could be built in there certain situations you know we have discussed that issue there is it it's almost impossible for any applicant the applicant to come before this board in this town where someone on this board in your experience has really been anything else but i'd like to see more ability for this board to grant waivers certain situations and fortune they're coming to my mind at the moment but i don't want to just park in various right yeah yeah and that's good because it's a blast with anything in that block with strip parking standards hoffman you think a waiver might come up in your experience the last few years of being the i mean i can tell you that tonight we're looking at applications where there's one at least two of the applications will last for waivers two out of four  ten different standards and for commercial use it's not unusual for there to be the least one parking related waiver request for the application would it be burdensome instead i mean that is about as nondescript as a car so i was wondering you know in situations like that we're going to conflict you guys have as far as i mean when i read that is conflicts with that definition or others that jump over always running into conflicts with definitions and we do the best we can to find out because those pacific's of like when you run into conflict with interpretin a definition would be very helpful to get a specific and say hey by the way p c this doesn't make any sense because you have a conflict between you saying this definition that definition or a lack of clarity between this use and overall but if you don't hear about the knots and bowls then we're never going to get very far i'm not saying we're going to propose a zoning rewrite for every definition but we can give new cumulati might be and that's it's easy for us during going to be looking when we have an apple apple application in front of us and we bump into something like that but then we go on and you know i'm sitting here trying to remember once we came up so it might be good for us on a week or a meeting by meeting basis to sort of maybe when we grapple with that take it out and send it over to the planning commission there's a new summer work that  practical and so i think it's going to end up being broken and then sections and aaron one of them is certainly the village to village density the business districts not a lot of big topics about the gateway so that's what we're kind of hoping to come tonight and get some more specifics on the you know jihad be nice if you streamline the development review process and tweak this byelaws at least for development review i think there would be and it vanished there and maybe you guys some point can get a chance to revisit that when we get back to it i think there's other bigger topics on the on the on  so we're going to start the development review board portion of the meeting with applications and first thing i'd like to ask that everyone who hasn't signed it and there's a sign in the list over there  also under vermont law if you're interested in an application and you want to become what's called an interested party for that application not only do you need to sign in but you need to say something at the hearing speak tell us what you think that will help you qualify to be an interested party in or from out law which would give you the right appeal rights in the future that should ever be something that you want to do conditional use review for repairs to house and improvements to property within the phoebus special flood hazard area an application thirteen dash zero six eight for conditional use  application and thirteen dash those seven five for a planned unit development for professional office and residential uses for property located at two twenty six bridge street in the residential commercial so district the letter of violation was dated may twenty eighth so there's been no appeal violation correct and what we have in mind for two twenty six group three started really after irene when we were like everybody else in town desperately trying to clean everything up and mass and actually when we purchased our house sixteen or seventeen years ago on the property had not only the house and the but it to horse far i guess because of the great location on the street were totally in favor of the village in the village plan to only combine offices and residential and you know within walking distance of the park in the school and post office and all that we would like to run our yard the yellow portion of our house as a professional office to the vermont trust and we would like to retain the portion of our house not the way back in the backyard but the back side of the our house there's a residential unit is that something we have the authority the wa so six to one be dry we shall meet the following standards unless a different size is required by the peer be due to special circumstances residential twelve feet minimum thirty six maximum commercial twenty feet minimum thirty six maximum so there may be as you know for the folks that were just here shall meet the following standards unless a different size is required by the beer be so it sounds like we do have the discretion in that situation said that i would add more so that people could get from the house to the from the office to the parking  his i understand it under the question of substantial problem with it has to be less than fifty percent to be substantial correct and neil is telling us that it's forty percent precisely in order that was our solution either or either that or propose you know some kind of impervious haters or something to replace some of that area in the back you know just north of that you can see it touched on the land just north of the  existing barn i think you're in the problem with with that solution is you what is your requirement you need ten for the professional models and preferably i think you'd want those lock coverage that we can still allow for those outside spaces due to meet the ten that we need for the professional office or bring the coverage back  here the questions from the board ok next on the agenda robert aylward and marcia camp application thirteen zero six for repairs to house roof within the female special flight has of area for property located at have to come get a permit to come to the dear be where someone else outside of the plane would have to they don't have any fees and  that you or these people to move forward with the process of getting rid of this piece of having to repair my house thank you thank you project whatever if you discussed just in discussing with the town ability to connect someday to water or sewer that something that other questions from me or any questions from board any other input from the public usually i'm pretty good about that but  so next on the agenda cochran family yellow sea application thirteen dash oh seven seven for conditional use review for a parcel at nine ten cochrane road within the ever cultural residential zoning district for the following conference ski area year round use of facility expansion of hours and lighting during the ski season seven trail rides for the face ski trail to assess restructures around the lodge for both our own events and for third party events where we could rent a lodge for fundraising purposes for family events and weddings permits for those graduations things like that which definitely have a direct impact on our ability to fundraise and continue operations so one of them more than willing to go back and talk more about that the other general part would you be looking to use the lighting during the off season of the summer the lady in the off season and we will ask to have to be able to use all of the lighting you know and frankly at this point in time the only time i can think that th for extended hours of operation and we don't have plans for instance to open a ski area in winter on monday but we are in here with a list of things that are part of our request and it made sense for us to ask for that at this point in this junction to get permission to do that i don't believe that there's any factor influence that would be negative to that operation however was as you are as he is describing it on the area where the lights would be is quite sheltered by several large trees and you look at the shadows of the small buildings that the going to go on the west side of the area to the ski patrol office which is up in the water to new come down from the said would be a straight function area where we're going to have someone having a wedding or a graduation party something like that the other would be examples of things we've done before whether it's cars with the next you know permit and that really is the constraining factor to operational size whether it's right now in the winter or anything we might do in the summer snow making the mirrors they can do it when there's a light you know in of the other lights are on we can we can get all that accomplish much other than between seven thirty and ten and those would be i think would be fair to limit those two to any sort of functions that we had actually going on in other words i don't unless someone the off season we need you know most of the things we're talking about typically happen on a weekend would be a friday shot here friday saturday sunday with two quick things just as an example we have been used in mountain biking simply business an example something we've been doing and there's been some questions about it in terms of fitting into our cur rent year's the mountain biking we do not charge for we do have dinners afterwards which we charge a nominal fee for people that frankly i'm not sure that we really make much money or indeed if it was more of a community gathering point than anything which is goodwill on our part to reach out part of that is always trying to make a positive name for what we do but again we use about a bike as an example of something something that gives a good example of what we want to be able to do under the new conditional use probably the other piece and we discussed this a bit at the planning commission meeting the other day it was the idea of commercial  people that might want to read it not necessarily the people that are going to go out and go to a much fancier and or commercial type facility but we do have people who do want to use it and we want to be able to capitalize on that that one way ahead of anything were projecting but it would be there is there's going to controls in place we're not intending to you know hang a sign up say cochran's bar and grill it's just not good i'm just curious good and procedurally what are the next step we are forty five days to make a decision and after we make a decision and send some wire before up until before up until forty five days and there's a thirty day appeal there right after that the permit whatever we do our actions is sony construction permits would be issued until the entire road is installed and approved for travel by the rich richmond road engineer and then  would moderate your metal from january to provide some new parameters around the condition wor some modifications without bringing us an application and every time we act without an application we tend to get slapped down for it i think the first instance  permit in place prior it's basically prior to the start of school year because there are there's a family moving into the house on like ten and the school needs some shorts that the family will unusual you think me why this twenty four page two through twenty seven regarding bringing in the next application i certainly don't need it is not an action different procedure altogether where we have to use only permit for repairs so it's definitely on the effort is to make it as simple as possible but at the same time make sure that