do an application for this comes about once a year usually in december and we usually do her approval for the following year to make it happen so right now actually we've we have enough money so we could do it for the next season and that was part of the intent we table we also have standards as it relates to snow removal and it's the other public done or none then we move on to interviews and appointments and we you have an opening on the planning commission we have three candidates when we interviewed two weeks ago and we have two people here so nice to meet your needs one by one of you to introduce yourselves and give us a brief outline of your background and why you like to be on the police commission so my name i go by my first board i was the chairman of both of those organizations or boards and so that gives me kind of a background to be able to come up to speed  got a degree in at trinity college in business in ministration and then i've worked at i b m for a long time and now i'm working at the homeland security but basically i'm really interested in the planning process and also giving service back to the community because i generally speaking i've been very well treated by eighteen years working with middle management and information technology at the sac i retired three years ago when you appointed me at that time a little less than three years ago to be your cleanup in transit representative and i chaired that board i'm now nearing the end of the second year of the chairing it and i'm going to stop being chair june thirtieth of be the immediate passport chair still in leadership committee there but with that decrease in my commitment or the amount of time i put into that job if you want to call it that i was looking for another service opportunity and the planning commission felt familiar to me i've sat in on many planning commission meetings i've helped with the rewriting of the town plan and i've lived in the village for since one nine hundred eighty five and i've been through the hack process whatever it's called today probably eight or ten times and so as a resident i've been through  some of the things of the planning office overseas and i'm just since i retired i like doing service i do a lot of service in the school and i've and i both volunteer and substitute teach in wells and central el work and in the high school so the planning commission looked like a good fit for me seems to me a very good fit for g two and i will respect whatever decision you made if you have any questions please ask on the the blurb that you put the information you provided and you make a statement it is my view that there needs to be balance that both sides can be comfortable when you're talking about environmental conservation versus development very worthy goal but sometimes it can't be achieved and in fact i would probably argue more often maybe they're not and so i just want to hear a little bit how you when it's very difficult if not maybe impossible to come up with a balance how you choose well i've been known to choose on both sides nothing wrong with that  you know if if there can't be an agreement made and that's the first choice obviously if there can't be an agreement made then i think that you have to learn to what makes the most sense for the community ok now the word sometimes more development is needed to support town goals and sometimes concentrations need to support and i think you need to look back to the town plan to get a basis for making those kinds of decisions that's to go to cheapen and then come back to your  question has to do with primarily the town plan and your thoughts on how the well first question would be cheaper and i suspect the answer is yes if you had a chance to read the town plan act offer your thoughts it were doing well were we could maybe do better i feel very aligned with the town planned and not because of my input necessarily my primary input was advocating for public transportation and paratransit probably most of the things that the planning commission has put on for the last thirty years and so i think i have built into me pretty much an understanding acceptance more than acceptance i feel like wilson has done a good job trying to balance growth and conservation and if you will for their growth area we've done a good job of focusing growth in the tough quarter growth area and with the special rules we have been the village district we've maintained the feeling of the historic village and it's always a balancing act and i'm someone that doesn't shy away from controversy nor do i shy away from saying this is my opinion but what do other people feel i've you know i believe that we all should be heard and i think that happened i think actually was as a whole does a good cho think is i don't know what the last home plan was but this looks like it's taking some incremental steps in basically i would say the same direction that i've seen will ok there's a change instead there's a lot of good on both sides folks on the conservation side you see a lot of new part of our recreation areas being supported  and the development allows us to do that so that's a good thing i don't have any suggestions on how it could have been better at this point i think that  really what i'm looking for is going forward and making the changing of by laws to support the newtown plan and i think that's very important to have those in alignment and i'm sure that's probably the next step for the  planning commission at this point is to delve into the bylaws to make sure they do support the newtown plan if the if i could add the disk small thing i'm just aware the lot of what is hot nobody's talking about form based code but they are talking about relaxing the strength of what's been happening and i know that that sort of the hot topic and i don't have a particular opinion about that i do believe i have heard can talk about form base codes and sort of i'm looking to others to help me out here sort of a more not a not a drastic change to but more incorporating form based code approach into our bylaws more on a maybe step by step basis then a public in the growth area we you know switch and then i'm just going to make the observations we have three good candidates for one position just make sure i get that correctly student great thank you thank you for questions so my questions fairly simple so what i've read both of the profiles and i think i know maybe some of the answer but not all because the profiles are pretty different but what what fresh perspective will you bring to the planning commission versus what's what's currently there what could be more like to work with the staff to make that happen and that includes just getting minutes out quicker and also meeting open meeting law you know the meetings  and the draft should have been posted so many days after and so i feel like i'd like to tighten up some of the just the operation of the planning commission that that's the micro level at the macro level to me we need to be focused on the long range vision we do they tend to get mired down if you will sometimes and in some details which are important and have to be worked through but i think they could be worked through more efficiently is my perspective after sitting  yeah yeah i think just coming from not only did i live in essex for about twenty five years but i also lived in burlington for five years so i think green outside perspective you and i understand where you're going to make you know it's there are excellent candidates and i wish that we could bring all of them on because they all bring something really great to the table but i have a particular appreciation for it specially having worked with and then and ask it in my question my explanation is unfortunately sometimes i do some of my i don't know the words best mood maybe most verbose maybe better way to put thinking about board meeting agenda items on the bus ride back from montpelier which unfortunately doesn't give me time to check in with with staff if if that would have been a good idea and i was wishing that i had sent to keep an email to can that basically asked is there an area on the planning commission that you see is lacking you know a skill or perspective something along those lines can very well may not have been able to answer that but it that would be helpful i'm going to look to rick to a little bit to see if there's any answer you can provide i suspect the answer is we don't know what but i think in general we look for diversity  for a while and i agree with everything you said i think chip in will bring a try to think of the right descriptions here it has to do along the lines with  environmental it has to do along the lines you know you work with energy issues energy conservation trying to push bullish stand to be more  cognizant of and make for lack of better words not that we aren't making good decisions but keep on pushing most in to make good appropriate decisions when it comes to things like energy like the environment and that certainly is not a perspective that is certainly a perspective i'm sorry that i want to have on the planning commission i would agree i also think shape and i've known shapen for quite a number of years as well having coached is i think a son and recognize him but i like the fact that cheapens been you know following the borg participating as a resident it's a good point and i think he's going to support the citizens he's going to have the citizens viewpoint  make one other comment and i don't believe i've been on the slug board for well too many years maybe and and i don't think we have ever been in this position where we have had this quality of applicants i guess maybe i should say that the place quite that way it's just i mean this is quite we are quite fortunate you know it also makes our job tougher quite fortunate tonight to have three well qualified people apply for again like i said this is on behalf of planning and zoning can submit the application and according to his calculations the total project cost is going to be about eight grand with a local match of sixteen hundred dollars basically we just want to come up with some way of explaining to applicants when they come in how do captivate how many member parking spaces they need for their project as opposed to the neighboring projects we can share and make sure we don't end up with another one of our own people parking lot  situation or worse a situation where there's not enough parking for both businesses they're trying to share it so that's one of the applications and looking for support for the other one is for public works again we also submitted for the two thousand and eighteen environmental mitigation grant application through vietri and that's a fifty fifty percent match whereas this unified planning work program is an eighty twenty split and for that project we're looking to have a study done on all the large culverts in the watershed the ones that are like greater than five feet as you know was last year or two years ago we had a which shut the world down for a substantial time and as you know we have a temporary bridge over on the marshall left connecting to south burlington another large boulder that one's in the muddy brook but the ones that are in the alberta who want to try to come up with some sort of capital improvement plans we can set money aside for these electrical works as they're getting older and to start to fail so that's what the study is for that for the for our estimate was thirty thousand dollars total with a match of six thousand so you ran through it quickly and i was trying to follow in the paper but i got lost when you started talking about the fifty percent yet the fed the other grant applications as we pipe we apply for as many grants that we can because if we get denied on use the grant funds to pay for our portion or match unfortunately they're pretty strict about that yeah yeah actually at the site of people piece of paper saying that this isn't coming from another grant source and actually coming from town we also did apply for other projects of the uniform claiming work program with a regional planning but those are more of traffic studies traffic counts speed studies and stuff like that which we don't specifically need to get approv for we saw what was first of all i have no objections to either one of these projects but i'm just curious what was the process if any that was used to come up with with these two were there other projects that didn't make this list or kind of went to can kind of what the brew said neat ideas and well james myself and bruce sat down and discussed what couple of works needed ok like i said we applied for the other one for the fifty fifty matching we said this is a better fit for us for eighty twenty and there wasn't anything else that really stood out as you know this from our programs applying for multiple grants different projects for that kind of stuff so there wasn't anything that was a limit needed because we could have submitted more applications we just needed to prioritize them ok and then i'm looking at number two and what it i guess i'm a little bit fuzzy on what is what what would be the outcome of number two if it were selected  it would also give us a rough estimate of how many how much money we need to set aside ok as you know these are pretty substantial coverts and they're very expensive to replace so if we have a prayer nation west we can say ok we've got money for twenty twenty to replace this one but then wait a minute this other one failed instead because we had a massive storm came through so but at least we start set money aside and we have a rough idea of how much money we're going to need we'll have that funding  and and again this is your answer doesn't affect you what i just said on probabilities it's just more curiosity would the concept of what we get out of this study be you know this covert should actually be replaced with a box covert versus to you know a steal whatever goes yeah or did it things are called would it be also this because it's down in brooklyn we know on booker's impaired this is the type stuff would it also look at this water quality issues associated with  habitat to get through so that it give us a better idea of saying ok well we just can't put another red clover arch cover in there we have to actually get a box or a bridge and then we'll have a better understanding bill and are going to look at what's going to be required for permits for the eighty fifth percentile of traffic speed was i believe twenty three twenty four miles per hour right there from that study instruction and recommended to reduce the speed limit from thirty five to twenty five public works agrees with that assessment a question for the board is whether to in order to questions of course sure so what precipitated that study it's kind of in place to study the speed limit unless there's a problem and if the eighty fifth percentile is twenty four miles an hour or tw very short piece of road to for a few years chris cannon president of the association we appreciate you having us here once again and we're here just to basically give you an update on our  had a public comment period written commentary that in april when there was a public hearing on that in may following that the state received kind of an unprecedented number of comments on that permit and some of those comments had the state reflecting on its review process for those or reside permits last week in a conference call the state d c officials informed us that they intended to deny that permit we met with them today  in the annex rick was able to give us a meeting space there to learn more about the reasons for that denial and also develop a plan to move forward with them if it seems comments on this permit have caused the d c staff to take a look at their process to review these so that they feel the statute that authorizes these treatments is somewhat vague and they seek to revise the rules or develop rules to guide the review of permits that's that's one of the main key factors so they have interim guidelines they're working on that in d c and they intend initiate a process for public rulemaking to to work forward with a new permit approvals they another thing name they mentioned was there's a potential breakdown product from s our three letter acronym is and then after which is potentially cause birth defects it hasn't been discovered in natural environments it's been shown to occur in the lab so because of that they're taking a  harder look at that sonar this is sonar has been used in the state since two thousand and they were tonia you know other water bodies so our permit application was modeled after others that previously state d c found findings for for for this use of this is a bit of surprise for for all of us so i just want to make sure i understood first of all full disclosure is i would i work for d c but not in the lakes and past program is was their denial based on they don't currently have what they consider an adequate process to review the application which is i think what you talked about in the beginning it was a technical d and that whatever that acronym is or is a kind of a combination of both i believe it's safe to say it's a combination of bolt and we don't have the full full revealing of of that and we we asked them what would the implications they've they've offered to allow us to withdraw the permit application and they indicated they would summarize the public comments and summarize their findings and issue that alternatively if we were continue with deprecation and they would issue a denial they would issue responses to all the public comments and they indicated that would be at current draft is forty pages of comments and they would reveal the deficiencies they see in their rules or lack of or walls and also this technical issue has been identified with the and  comment period and the public hearing that was that occurred there was so so many different comments that questions that were raised they felt it was necessary to look at their regulations and ultimately are allowing us to either withdraw or deny and we have chosen to take the route of to work with us in this process and looking to help mitigate this problem that we have over there but we really feel that it's important that we have full disclosure to understand where our permit went around and so that's why people with asked and chosen the route of going through the piece and based on what i know so far i would support that you know a denial of a permit application is issued part of the rationale you'll get back is outlining what avenues they look as viable avenues hopefully to achieve the water quality goals that you're hoping to achieve do you know if that will happen in this case well i think we have some of that already from a meeting today as well as what they've been doing with other water bodies  they are not sure they're pulling the permits from other water bodies that have sort of permits in place but they're strongly encouraging or there's another product called renovate so those lakes the lake or tony i know is as a permit up patient into use  r use renovate in lake or turning this summer lake mores another lake that's doing the same thing so they're there steering legs towards another or side is an option there's a different sort are is history of trees the whole water body over a longer period of time renovate is typically administered a flake so it's a more of a spa treatment so there's been a shift within d c to move to a more spa treatment rather than whole awake treatment  there's also another herbicide coming that people are interested in news as well as as well as other control techniques so that was some of the things we discussed today we remain committed to this this problem and we always felt that it was going to mean a multi pronged approach we do have a purpose grant from the lake champlain basin program to do fifteen thousand dollars worth of dash which is  harvesting in the lake from milfoil so we're going to continue working on this we have been the bearers will be installing it the the fishing access to keep that channel clean and and working with d c to draft a management plan that doesn't include includes other other techniques in working with lake eyre clay recreation district at the beach to try to help mitigate some of the problems surrounding the beach and i've made reference today when i was a kid we had a huge body of water that was buoyed for the beach and now years of pulling in those ropes because of that the weed problem there so we're really committed to working  with lake eyre clay recreation district also in the town of well austin in the four towns or three ten other towns have to assume you're looking at this as a setback yet could you briefly describe how much of a setback i mean you feel this is we both feel it's a huge setback we spent jamie especially spent over three years working on this project and trying to bring us to this point we've we've spent the last year and a half waiting for an answer from d c we were issued the draft permit months ago that point so yeah it's a big it's a big step for us and you know how many times we've been in front of you and worked with your with the administration here and we really appreciate that that's not going to say it's not going to is on the on this last point you made about this breakdown of sonar and this was that brought up by one of the public comments are that come out of further study by the state it was you know he had it's been known for a long time and there's been stiff study of it so it's been seen as a breakdown product in the lab there was academic studies that it wasn't found in water bodies so if you treat with sonar it wasn't  to buy so we i don't know much more how much more i can say about that because we haven't really received much more from d c other than than this issue has been raised to a higher level but i have been in touch with with the  contracted applicator and you know they've pulled up e mails from a decade ago discussing this and and the health department has reviewed this and has previously signed off on these these treatments so it's rekindling of something where after today we had a two hour meeting today with multiple players and after today's meeting we we had a lot of work to do a lot of kind of reorganizing with our board reorganizing the state i have to say that the players that were there at the table today were great to work with and i we respect that i think they know how hard we work to get to this point our past president pat swayze is been you know working very hard with with jamie and you know we've really the state knows how committed we are to taking care of the problem that we have here so we continue to look forward to building that relationship can and reworking our whole plan municipality you know not take care of their water and you know being at the same uncertain if maybe at the same time she said we have we have a huge amount of respect for the public process so if d c is taking a look at it at their regulatory piece that means that i guess we may have done our job you know we've raised some issues and here we are and because of your your office and us working with them we're we're at a pivotal point and we can't give up on that kind of path thank you so i don't know if there's action for you to take as a board tonight regarding this the permits been  submitted i think the only thing to take would be in the negative if we wanted to withdraw something you are the ones assuming the application and they're going to deny your applications will i don't think that we have well actually  that i know it's a hard position for you to but i think we feel based on our work that we are going to ask for a denial and i instead of making and that's a pretty lengthy process as you know the next minute so the opportunity to submit the application probably will come about for a year anyway  answer you right it's nine months minimum is what we know it because i've been through rule making what we always figure and most likely longer particularly if they have to do a lot of work to figure out what they want in the r but that would only be about the sonar there are other things you could apply for if i could let you just ask with that you read my mind that's your guide and i'm not advocating for dance i'm just you know just trying to make sure i understand this is only two in this and in the meeting today you know renovators another product they would accept a permit application for that i don't know if it would get tied up and or in rulemaking or or not it w is the only question i have the end i realized you had the meeting today that was just a short while ago it was about the next steps and terry talked a little bit about that new explain but i'm just what are your thoughts on your next steps or is it and they're busy and talked about really embarking on that in the mid summer kind of we have been the bears we have the dash for the summer so we have things to do this summer we're going to continue to greeter program which is something we partner with you on and a great need avocations for the state so we're going to continue that and that's where we see ourselves going now we will explore with the state and with the board and with you folks what what  but first of all you have the financial report which says is a report on finances to pretty much the end of january twenty eighth i'm going to a written report from our finance director the kind of sent some of the same trends she's reported on earlier continuing for example we tend continue to be under spent in the police department budget the we are overspending one item and that is report also referred to the local option tax and that report did come in just as we were finishing this report the trends for receipts to continue to be strong on the sales tax quarter is going to be the lowest quarter bit of course we also estimate that could be low so if it's anything higher than what we estimated we're still going to be had for the years so it's easy it's could be would likely will end the year in a after meeting this year will be likely coming forward with a proposal for a charter change the state law has changed but our charter does not  is more specific and so in order to be the same a state law we have to change our charter and course there's no mandate that we change our charter and we can leave it the way it is but if it involves the positions of town clerk in town treasure it's elected period and so what we'd like to do is come to the board at some point with well first of all the concept of does the board support looking at this and if the board do then what format what procedure do you want to use because there's different ways of doing it you can form a charter vision committee you can get that staff to come back with a couple written proposals and you can debate those  presentation a town meeting now they do want to do presentation which is fine in the past we've alternated it's would go when you're with us first but next year the school would go for this year was the town's turn to go first the school has requested that they would like to go first this year even though it's the town's turn i guess they think their book presentational be a lot shorter than the was very concerned about that and in the ability to get from one place to the attic so this isn't a formal meeting this is my budget presentation get so i guess i'm looking for direction from the board is to which one goes of it doesn't matter i mean let's leave that discussion until we come back to it and let's go forward with the the presentation of their horse and rode study it is eight o'clock process but the most intense of the areas where we were doing that was early in the state trying to get an idea of what people wanted the quarter to look like and feel like from a transportation perspective and then a little village perspective but then also as we develop the alternative increased you know maybe five percent in the last couple years regionally you know we're expecting ten percent growth in the next you know ten to twenty years and the road as frost section really could handle that i mean it's not so much a traffic volume along just of the structure of roads but what we expect out of our community everything it might that might be different than what the engineering capacity of the road is directed to when we were talking about what where the areas are issues so the hollow was really the primary area there that was discussed so i just wanted to talk alternatives we're not going to go into the specific alternatives we can describe any of them there  specific questions about it i mean we all kind of know what these things are at this point so this is just a general gauge of what people were sane you know it's not a that's a relative scale here so let's not get too focused on where it is on there but b asically what it comes down to are the rumble strips were not very well received by people they don't like the noise there's some issue of whether or not they're going to be effective but then as we start moving along the speed tables and occurred many millions had similar issues of you know how effective are they are they going to be in ways issue but a lot of people respected what they can do to bring traffic speeds down and that's like one of the primary concerns here and then the more  that we had on there on that scale including the center line from the strips were saying that you know these are these are good alternatives they can work and if we're serious about getting people to slow down and drive a quarter responsibly i think we reason for that was that it's you know i'm calling it the greatest resiliency in the sense that you know you can rebuild while you're whiting this you rebuild your shoulders and your rebuild your decision so you can really and invest in that drainage infrastructure so you have a good st that asphalt area whereas if you have a path and a narrow road and there's really nothing you can do that you can't put cars like the path or something it's that just gives you the opportunity to kind of work with that and it's also the least expensive alternative  kind of the concept there is that the ditches will be reconstructed on both sides of the road to the left a really really high high level i'm for the path alternative we're talking of leaving the road basically how it is and then just building up out on the side of the road  to and that there is a number of reasons why hasn't been pursued mostly right of way but you know it's just continuing on that path to you know fire the right of way or do what needs to be done to do that was originally all this and get all these things built just like we're talking about it's probably about two hundred thousand dollars you know it depends on how you don't have to do all the right away to do it basically do a couple here and see how the  seven for that and what wasn't actually was presented with a big picture their preferred alternative i spoke to be assistant director public works last thursday and regrets the flooding in that fourteen fifteen feet long at a flat surface and then it drops down again on the back side three inches over seventy and it's designed that way so that your vehicle will bottom out why so a speed humps speed speed h know that there is you start to more you know here and here and it's and then they're about to go up the hill people do dumb things all the time so  you know we could have aggressively pursue all of these you know traffic calming measures you know there's two hundred thousand dollars you know there might be you know some grant money that we can get for you through that would be trends are there p c and some ways of finding money you want to project so like this plan the plan that we're endorsing tonight will kind of lay that out there how to do this and then what it comes down to doing the ditching and i mean that's something that you have to work on every year year after year and hope that it doesn't so we need to limit our time but ask questions yes no we're not going to get to a discussion of this tonight question right so well will these folks come back would we want to i mean i have a list of questions class different numbers of these are listed number twenty thirteen it's around fifty two you know the average of the two it's fifty to fifty but you know and twenty sixteen and seventeen it's up around six thousand if you average the two so  it just seems pretty clear it just looks like we have a pretty significant increase in traffic over the last five years to me so your proposal for this this change at the intersection where some people were looking for a stop sign by the way i'd be one of those people i think it would be the rules that are handed down by the federal government maybe that apply for the whole country don't necessarily apply in vermont or some rural location but has the right away changed at that intersection such that you're proposing this this drive around thing in the covers under the mountain view and  that's why has to stop according to the right so this is just just a question so it's not you know we would have to discuss this but it seems like a stop a four way stop is in the exceptionally easy thing to install  and put up and try why would you install so many speed tables or propose where other than just trying to stop like this i can see the dynamics of that intersection when you have all this traffic coming from say you know going through the corridor or heading home in the evening does i i cycle through there and i happily get on the bike path for a little bit and can fly right by but that traffics held up by a very slow steady trickle a much lower traffic coming from the church up at the corner right side coming from the two so and you almost have to be a daredevil to jump out of traffic to make that turn to make that turn left you kind of make the turn if you see somebody coming in maybe turning left you're hoping they're going slow enough so you can sneak out so that's what i do i mean i'm just being so it just seems like it's a it's more of a common sense thing than maybe following the exact rules it seems like a cheap thing to try rather than ripping up the intersection going into battle zone right away and a list of other stuff so i don't know why why the study didn't show that but it seems like i would talk to my other board members and say let's redo that study doesn't seem to make sense to me but is there another place in vermont that has that many speed tables and that distance of road really like the little skunk skunk how it works pretty well i was one of the people that was because i cycled on skin color as i feel are dangerous for cyclists as because they keep drivers from giving you more room so unless you increase the road you know that the shoulders seems like they're dangerous for cyclists but i don't to be pro killing this week cycl could go up french hill instead the and then the rumble strips i'm just wondering i don't know how many people are from willesden woods here because i know i think one person at least but i know other people didn't want didn't want them for noise and i don't know how much noise that would cause and another gentleman was really i think brought up in the second row here was very astute noticing that there were no head and collisions so we're putting in some things i would want to try other things first and that bring these brings me to kind of a phased approach i would want to do the least obtrusive things first in see how they worked right test them so kind of rather than i would want to do everything at once so it's like not to get into a discussion on things and i'd like to get your questions yeah so things to think about understand some trying to figure this out so traffic calming is designed to slow traffic down we have a road that has a lot of traffic on it and i believe all signs are traffic is go increase on that road so i'm trying to understand what is the impact of traffic coming on the traffic the road is seeing and in particular as we have more vehicles going slower which which is i think the logical thing you would assume happens are we in fact making the level of service or the danger of some of the intersections actually worse we might be helping that the travelers on the road themselves in a sense but are we actually making our intersections more dangerous for the traffic that's trying to get onto north will list and road and again i live chipman road i consider that mountain view gov chip in wrote my intersection because i go through it at least twice a day and it's a dangerous intersection now in the morning when it's when i'm trying to get to work  or come home my kids to get to school i worry about it and i worry that we're not helping that intersection out we're actually making it worse on the so i guess there's a question in there i don't know traveling slower but there's and there's also more of it my concern would be if there be no gaps so the it is so then you're just going to take more of a chance when that one seemingly it's small but seemingly the only gap you can get out you're going to try to take advantage of that does that make sense it i don't doubt that i can only tell you how it feels and i also second the four way stop why not give that a try and see how it performs  i think that my other questions are going to have to do with phasing we can wait on those i might actually advocate for doing some of the more expensive work first simply because i think the road needs to be widened and i worry about doing some of the traffic calming efforts on a road that isn't whining and again it might be slowing traffic down but i think it's going to make it more dangerous for cyclists yeah i agree with you mean make it wider for the travel lanes and then i also actually have a question about a statics i am not trying to trade safety for said its don't get me wrong but are we at a point where our road is going to look like so many roads in the us and increasingly in vermont where there's a lot of traffic traffic sign noise that's good actually take what's believe it or not a pretty pretty road you know has problems with traffic and make it it that are going to be the discussion it could be and you know it will be so i'm just going i would prefer that we do our town meeting in the order that it some do ok so i guess i would like i think it would be great to keep the town first because it would ensure we have a good audio we're going down hard on him and does that make sense because i think it's you know it's that sometimes it for us good i think we're down to the other business i have one more thing on my written report thank you because we just received it today so we received a letter concerning the our request for re one hundred percent sure and right now they're say suggesting it should be a seven point nine two percent which is close to it before they were down i don't know what is maybe ninety three or ninety four percent that means there's new just but they make on the state property tax for education that actually raises increases the tax rate so this would be less of rinky but anyway my point is that i want to bring up this first of all to make you aware of this but secondly we have to decide whether or not we want to appeal this and not in a slip or it had voted to file the appeal to begin with we have according this letter ten days and da whether or not to file an appeal however the hearing is scheduled for march twenty ninth so we have a smart board meeting in between i don't know whether or not the state will accept a written  march twenty first i think they will because they don't want to go through a hearing and normally you can opt out of hearing at any point i want to verify that tomorrow if they want except that i think we have to schedule  that was the problem that they're they're ending up with some dogs that are just really poorly behaved that are not leashed that are causing more issues and i said i would start with a says asian first but i don't know that there was a lot of policing the town could necessarily do would rather completed before a town meeting and sites like to do that we have to complete we have traditionally done that and over but if the board would choose not to do that right then we would put it off to a different night when the question is is there a reason to do it before coming here and practically the only there has been in the past of course when you're not sure who the select board would be it appears that