at this point this evening the main focus of the evening will be a presentation and the discussion of the landscape insight plan for the new belmont high school there will  be extensive discussion of that and the plans will be presented at this time it will be a little bit after that we will discuss the two articles that are coming up for town meeting and then there's some board   we opened the meeting up early this year in january and we quickly discussed circulation and parking we then came in february to talk about building materiality returned in march wrap that up and then we quickly got into the into the site design and that was wonderful because that's where most of the meat of our discussion i think is and we're back now to continue that in in march we really dug into sort of sectors we explain what was going on to different sections of the site today we're going to discuss the plantings but we missed one section of our discussion in the last meeting which was fencing and we'd like to start with that and spend some time on that and then will i proposed this will sort of do an overview of planting and vegetation and then maybe at your pleasure we can break off and to a working group in the next week or two or maybe we'll have a couple of meat things and come back to you when our scheduled may th meeting with hopefully consensus and an overview of how we arrived and i would certainly entertain that we had good success when we did that the last time so i propose we do that and then i'm going to ask that if we need to we'll have another meeting but i think may th we can wrap it up and i would propose that we do a summary because we folks have given us some good input and we need to pull it all together with a quick summary you've left us with some tasks and different things for instance parking and so forth we need to come back and show you and i owe you a phasing summary we owe you just a quick phasing severe how we're going to get this project built us for that so maybe we could get that and wrap it postponed that discussion until september for a couple of reasons one i think the the the site design stands on its own as far as the building and the school in the permitting that's what we need the field lighting is sort of something that's being really asked for by others rec department and so forth and i'd like to coalesce that group with our new record director over the summer and come back with you in early september and discuss that if if you think that works so we'll started in september your pleasure sounds good it will reschedule that ok so we have a plan and i'm going to turn it over to brooke and i guess we're still dealing with some technical difficulties but i'm sorry we didn't get our package too early enough but i i it starts out with fencing you saw that at our last package we delivered to you have it in your packet so it's not new it's not new at all  warner principal one of larson landscape architects tonight will be talking about the fencing and around the fields of our city baseball field brenda grant memorial creation we'd like to introduce the lighting to you  and also get into talking about the vegetation and planting so we'll start with the fencing and this was is the all of these images unfortunately are going to extend off beyond the edges of the pages to the right and the left so and we apologize for this graphic issue but if you want to refer to the hard copy in front of you for the portions that aren't displaying on the screen please do so the this is just to orient everybody on the overall site plan and so i want to i just move right on to the fencing and the fields  know this this is about two thirds of the image so know something like that yeah that's ok so it doesn't have the west of harris showing on it so maybe you can reduce the size of the window of the why she's doing i explain why fencing is is important here so primarily the fencing around these ball fields is used for ball control and the different types of sports have different requirements associated with  the height and type of fencing we are very sensitive to the aesthetic impact and character that it has and so we have created interventions in areas that we think would normally have more of a visual impact in particular the backstops for both the varsity baseball field and the soft varsity softball field we're proposing a very open mesh netting system and that is in the lower right image that you see here is a netting system backstop has a lot less infrastructure associated with a framework pipes framing that a typical chain link fence backstop has the chain link fence backstop you see in the middle image would only be used on the j v baseball sorry j v softball field west of harris all three all other three ball fields the ones that are visible from concord ave are visible from harris sorry from  let's just start by the varsity baseball field over here and you can see underwood turning into his injured this boulder line is the netting says them that wraps around behind the st based team area and then the rest of the field is surrounded by eight foot high chain link fence and that is going to provide your home run fences and as well as your fall line fences we do have a twenty foot high netting  system above that it's twenty feet to the top so it would be twelve feet of netting above an eight foot high fence behind the soccer goal so that balls that miss the goal don't go out into the parking area we don't believe one is necessary over here because it's basically just open landscape there's two batting cages that are end over here as well that are about ten feet high so those will help to stop balls in that direction will continue will will be able to provide some ball control above and beyond a foot high fence the fence around the varsity softball field is also black funnel code chain link fence but we're proposing that as a six foot height and that would have a safety cap on it so it's one of those corrugated plastic tubes that is laid on top of the fence and then the backstop would be a netting system control for the car at the soccer field here we have a chain link fence that is four foot high around the perimeter of that and then the netting systems on the ends behind those goals this is also a looking great and then the rugby field which is on the north west side of the building this is i'm outlining the proposed building here is surrounded by chain link fencing and has thirty foot high netting on the end this field is proposed to be synthetic turf not natural grass and i should p you so i would personally was that on the the west of paris field that we put a pause on that we will show you stuff today but there's a likelihood that depending on how the outcome of the discussion  rink occurs we may have to revisit it so i think for context we should show you this we have to discuss the side after may how we close this and put in conditions or what have you that obviously will have to be revisited if something changes here and i don't i don't even know how we do that but we don't have the fight we having this is a solution but we expect that if there are discussions of other things comments and concerns about this this is a good time to discuss that i mean i feel better knowing that it's lower on the sides and then it goes up taller and my concern is based on being at m guess what i was initially concerned about and i know there's nothing we can do about it but it's sort of like the old high school or the way it looks now it's a high school with sports fields this looks to it's a very good because right now the current fencing is basically a perimeter around the green space and within the fields are all sharing a common space but what you don't have there is a dedicated outfield fence so every year you have to your teams have to put out a i'll structure with but on the goals that could be well whereas for where where possible i think that would be helpful because you know you're talking about something that really gets very very seasonal and very short life actually when you when just so you're aware that's a typical detail that will usually include because it helps to prolong the life expectancy of the net by not exposing it more u v all winter it's more me now the right ones got it wrong it's down but it's a lot less maintenance than they do in putting thank you so again this is the intersection over here of underwood becoming hidden ger and we have been evolving this this design this area that's great  an emergency access that comes in from this intersection it goes all the way across to the south side of the high school building and that walkway will be how all the athletes are coming from the school and out to the field so we felt that recreating that gateway which you recreating the brick piers to be able to create that space here so you come in on a brick walkway and those could be grave memorial bricks and underneath this gateway to your left is a bottle filler a drinking fountain and then you're basically coming right up to the gate that goes into the rd base line into the dugout for the team on the left and then as you turn to the right we have this  tiered seating system that provides bleachers when you're oriented when you're facing the field but it also provides passive recreation sitting space overlooking the pond and by stepping up and stepping back down as shown in this image  we don't have to close that whole seating area with a chain link fence around it which is required by code if you go above thirty inches in height so stepping up and stepping back down keeps it as a landscape feature which we think is much nicer a right now now we put it in the design this composite decking material fabricated as a more of a warm feeling one alternative that's also being considered ready is a cast in place concrete which is a much more can't drive a fire truck into the artworks so we we moved it off the mold to mold a path trying to keep its proportions and dave did a great job of really just incorporate it in its current size rather than trying to stretch it  something it wants to be they didn't have a big issue pat right with the fencing going away at the iron gate so yeah they were very there's a there's a a monument or a memorial that will find a great place for probably within that entrance there sequence and then there are memorial bricks and they probably won't be salvaged in there find they have all the they have all the names and so forth they have a computer program so we were thinking of replicating would be this double line that goes across through here and these dashed lines that you see coming across here are the the tension cables that bill was speaking about previously that would have posts set behind the bleacher so that you really when you're in the spectator area area looking out towards the field you would only see the two and hosts and that netting would be an unobstructed view that what you see the tension cable goes across and it's pulled back to these two posts that are set back so you have that you don't have any framework with a higher price and i say and so one of the other thoughts of with regard to the engraved names is that they might be able to be recreated on this low wall yes so what we typically do is when we have were detail ing furnishings like this is leave gaps rather than put on metal elements because the metal elements can oftentimes be vandalised themselves or broken the site lighting approach if we can go to the next slide the st page is showing the composite of all the different types of lighting that's used to eliminate the site and the exterior spaces around the building and the legend at the top is color coded on the plan somewhat self explanatory but i will summarize the two types that we'll focus on primarily tonight are the pedestrian lights which are in this reddish orange tone all along the walkways around the pond and extending along the walkways in front of the school and then the streetlights which are at driveways and parking areas and those are  these focal points so we have up lights and recessed down lights the the glow that you see in blue is really just used at these three points which are stairwells where you have the glazing as accent but when we go to the next plan which is an overall photometric plan for the site that is so we've we've gone through and meet the st past with all the fixtures and locations and we've received this back the lighting representative restricted the light values to only the paved areas so i'm going to point out to you that we will be resubmitting the photometric plans to showing the light levels carried up to zero and so you'll be able to see and understand how we don't have any light trespass i know you need to see evidence of that and not just hear me tell you that so on the left one just so we can explain to everyone who may be watching to what this is these are showing the all the different combinations of the of the there's one pedestrian style light that is specified here and then there are three different configurations of the parking lot lights whether they have the dual luminaires of the three luminaires and then we can go back over to the table on the right what this shows is the performance of the lighting based on this photo metric plan and the light fixtures in the spacing by area and these areas are highlighted over here which are i think self explanatory as to where they're located on the plan but let me describe what the table is telling us we've been aiming primarily for about a anywhere from three quarters to one foot foot candle average and also we're looking at  lighting human uniformity to moderate the maximums and the minimum so that you don't have too much contrast and that's a factor of the the brightness of the fixture the height of the fixture in the spacing of it to get the the uniform the max min is is a value of uniformity and ten to fifteen is is a target it's not a mandate but it's a target in terms of getting uniformity and you can see that in the sidewalk by the pond that we do have quite a bit more contrast there and i think that's largely due to the spacing of the light fixtures we're actually looking at the and they pointed out that the south side of the pond isn't getting any additional lighting on that pathway right the regeneration of that but this is a pathway that needs to serve as for bicycles and also for emergency vehicles and it's going to be a primary route for  well and with the potential for school changing times to be a little later in the winter time kids could be leaving at a later time so those were expressed by some of our building committee members and then finally  we talked about and this may be something you want to consider that maybe at certain times the light levels are reduced with our lighting control system our late control systems you could take those out as you know with twelve or two o'clock whatever they could be brought down when you don't have as much use these are things that we're talking about reduce energy reduce pollution maybe not shut off completely you know maybe it's a safety issue but certainly the school department is also thinking about that for the parking lot right now the parking lot lights go on and there are those on one which i think ellie these have come up as you know i mean you're the planning board so i don't need to educate you on that subject but controls are off for a lot of flexibility military works pretty well but they have different security i mean they don't have security concerns so what i'd like to do next is show you the fixtures themselves that we're proposing as the basis of design the photometric plan and the caveats i started with i think it would probably not do us a lot of good to zoom in and look at those values right now when we will have the updated refined photometric plan that goes out and zeros out to the property line you'll be able to see for yourselves and also that's something that staff could review you know go through ok so then this these next series of plans simply isolate the different types of fixtures and where they are by category so these are all of the press tree and light fixture locations concentrate along the primary east west pathway and then the pathways getting to and from the school building we don't have lights going between the fields on the eastern part if you notice that and so if we go to the next slide this is the particular fixture and because of the portions of the image it looks more squat then it actually is if you refer to the hard copy in front of you you see it a little bit more elegant picture than you see on the screen this is l e d that has the light source in the canopy and shines removal and they are sixteen feet in height to the top of the light fixture the color we're looking at a dark gray palette the actual finish itself hasn't been selected but it's going to be on the darker gray not black so i mean a member so how come we're not using galvanise of last forever and you went oh my god so the the light the finish on these fixtures is very high performance so that it's a powder coat on top of a  zinc plated metal so you have the rust protection underneath the job and i was using and finally the color is the idea is that throughout the entire of this week that same color on the on the fencing you know the oaken you pan over to the chart on the left of the previous slide just to twenty foot that's the range in height that's available from the manufacturer the the design and and the photometric plan is based on sixteen foot height sixteen everywhere yes had some discussions on the walk ways of using bollard like the low ones which would require many many more to achieve that and in the question was you know which was the best here and the  thought was the less structures you have to some level the less ins the less impact the damage the bollard seem to one by one soldier's falling over the years where you have a hard time getting your lighting uniformly too because the distribution pattern of them is so tight to the fixture we have to put it in the middle of the walkways and some larger sizes to get so so that we did talk about it just so you know but if the preference from the building committee was to have light poles whether they're twelve feet or sixteen feet that just is ends up to be a number of you said made of things making some changes along the wall where the spacing of them just in order to make sure that we're not over lighting the space like levels that's perceived from the other side of the pond for instance when you're looking across your preference to lower than the high well i know a little bit about the lighting on the esplanade and the experience there has been that instead of creating a uniform lighting you create slightly higher areas around lights but if you if you if you set a highly and uniform level of light then you create a uniform channel of light and darkness on both sides of the of the look of the lit area instead of having lighting being a sort of a focus and people walk from one light area  and forty five here we might reduce that to three along this stretch so that you have brighter areas at the nodes and that's that's basically the conversation we've been having with the design team is about how to make those  uniform string but maybe more focus points especially when you're talking about a uniform lineup like that goes the full length of the pond that's what neighbors will go to streets to they just didn't want to see this is you know street christmas lights and it doesn't really present a safety issue because it's a straight path went without twists and turns and you can see the next like illuminated area when you're leaving one illuminate area so your eyes can adjust off or so the blue dots are all of the proposed locations for these and like i said there are twenty five dollars propose a twenty five feet in height and the next slide i believe shows the plant i don't know if you have any reaction to this particular fixture it's about the most benign in terms of its visual impact you know that's one of the reasons why we picked it is so that it wouldn't stand out too much during the day as an as an ornament but more disappear and then we have another slide shows two fixtures together because just as you understand them as a family but before we go to that i guess these are the blue light security phone basing the specification  plan with the basically showing the ground plane so the title of this is shrubs grasses and ground covers the legend in the top right identifies the to the plant type with one exception the park is basically an area that's referring to this piece of the site between the pond and the front of the high school entrance at the bands that you see here  i think when we presented the overall plan rendering at a earlier meeting with you we talked about the the vision for this landscape as being drawn from the the main common space this space that carries all the way through the building and bringing that out into the landscape and having the whole site design including the walkways the driveways and then the planting support that so that as you're approaching from concord avenue and driving in or walking in that you're experiencing this land scape that relates to the building throughout that entire process of leaving concord avenue and getting to the building and that starts with the ground plane so we're showing these alternating bands that relate to the trees that are planted on top on top of them the ground cover which is the lighter color and then the grasses which are a an ornamental grass will show you those materials in the subsequent slide the lighter color green are all kimono maintain lawn areas which include the athletic fields and these yes you can see the rugby field as left blank because that would be synthetic turf and then when we go to the next sli and then we wanted to before we showed the individual plant types is to talk about the canopy and with regard to evergreens we're primarily focused on buffering there's twenty two  primary areas that we're buffering the property off to the east over here and then the gas station off to the west that doesn't mean that we won't have some evergreens incorporated into the overall landscape but this these are the areas that they be focused on for buffering we've looked at the grades along the railroad bed relative to the grades of the site and the elevation of the riverbed actually does a very good job of providing a visual buffer to the neighbors to the north along the portion where the building is located and as you know the existing building currently extends out over to the east more where the riverbed starts to get closer and closer to the elevation of school site as it goes towards the west it's actually gaining in elevation relative to the school site and acting more as a buffer and that's where the transformer and the generator would be located which are typically things that obviously you want to make sure are well buffer ed and of course the service area here but the other types of plants that we have identified here are the large deciduous canopy trees sometimes referred to as shade trees and those are in this lighter green color and then a slightly more  color we have this flowering trees highlighted and those are interspersed along the pond here interspersed along this park area and then the existing trees we have colored with this very very light color and so you can see where along concord avenue some of the existing most of the existing trees that are exist along there are being preserved of course this whole area you know generational path all those trees will remain as well so the this is a major intervention here in terms of the new plantings and i think we'd like to just get into that for the next slide so all right so the ground plane here like i said the evergreen ground cover and the ornamental grasses evergreen ground cover is shade tolerant and will go underneath the trees that's the lighter green color and it's this lily turf material grows about twelve inches tall and is tenacious spreading plant that will require edging to keep that within the straight line so you get there as there is metal edging to confine that to these bands under the trees and then the darker green are the grasses here prairie drops drop seed is a good colonizing plant were showing this lighter green which is more it's summer appearance and then in the fall  when it actually loses its green and turns more of this russet color and that carries into the winter so there was quite a bit of discussion about this material with the building committee and with regard to  long term maintenance and initial establishment it's not your conventional lawn which you know you either see or you saw seeding is is typically recommended  know when you don't have your geisha and these areas would not be irrigated permanently they'd be irrigated during the time of a stablish mint and we're discussing how long that period that temporary irrigation should be but probably about two years in order for these to be successfully established the like i said the lily turf is that aggressive spreader so that it will actually colonize and once it's colonized that area it does naturally prohibit inhibit the  mint but it is that two year maintenance period that's critical for this to colonize and effectively create that type of mat similarly the prairie drop seed it's about the density and which it's planted to begin with and the fact that it can completely cover the ground this plant grows somewhere around eighteen dollars to twenty four dollars inches tall i think the chart there says two to three feet high so ok twenty four dollars is a pretty typical height for that plant and you know so when when this over that two year period covers and establishes that the maintenance after it successfully colonize is actually less than your frequency of regularly mowed lawn so we are going into this eyes wide open with regard to the initial establishment period being critical and making sure that in the contract so that the landscaper who is installing this is going to make sure that it's successful establishment but the long term less frequent maintenance is something that was very appealing to the building committee and so that's what we're proposing for the ground plane the next flight i believe is trees i don't know if you want to discuss that or look at the trees and t flagpoles which allows a combination of flags to be flown simultaneously obviously as opposed to single flagpole and that location given when you when you see the tree proposed tree locations that will help to understand but that's a highly visible location that will basically signify and and i and sort of directly i towards the main entrance whether you're arriving by car by foot or by bicycle so that's what the pavement is for so that it's accessible if someone it's not a drop off or notes of someone versus putting up flags correct if there's a ceremony associated with that anybody who's in a wheelchair would be able to get out to the fl that's not too far from the actual desired place where they walk i mean the place where we would desire to walk as opposed to putting more concrete in that space so that and where was this this emergency access and president because mine and the building committee with their we heard some your comments we're working on it you know it's it's not together a hard story to digest this is just that we had that open the door so but even for now we're happy to the liver drawings as well as over by the middle school entrance we're using two different species here which come from the recommended street trees that the town has one is london plain and we have the image during the date but during the summer time and then it's fall color and the same thing for the american linden now the london plane are shown as these darker trees the single rows of trees and these as some of you know this these are majestic very stately trees have a very interesting and bark characteristic which is attractive in the wintertime and they grow quite large yes memorial drive is is an excellent example i remember are shown in this grove here three trees wide that forms a box basically we're looking at this as a mass of foliage and tree that is an extension of the building volume so it really creates the front and from separates the front from the back as you're passing through this space here that's where you have the lines so the vegetation on the ground plain really is reinforced by the three dimensional elements of the tree canopy and the columns of the tree trunks which are actually going to give you that perception of space and the vegetation is going to grow well yes of the p is a shady shade tolerant every evergreen ground cover n we look at the next line and continue our overview and this is the area we're calling the park which is be tween the south extension of the building and concord avenue and this is really seeing as an extension of the natural landscape around the pond and so that the formal landscape that we just looked at has a decisive edge to it that is reinforced by the building volume and this line that extends out to concord ave and then when you move across the space you're really entering that natural pond landscape and the character of this area particularly the trees which you'll see in a subsequent slide are carried around the pond edge in this multi modal pathway and fire lane here so that's this is what we're showing right now are really just the low ground playing plantings which are all about three feet in height maximum because we're using dwarf cult of ours of these native species like winter berry for instance is a very common native species and if you just get the species it will grow quite tall but the red sprite is a dwarf cultivar of that and these will be used in groupings where they there is the darker color and the lawn is an area that's open within that space under the canopy of trees that or surrounded by trees you'll see in the next slide is creating more usable space because there's been quite a lot of discussion about this space and how it transitions from the pond to the formal area and how it's engaged by people passing through it we do have bicycle rocks that are anchoring one side here and this main pathway which is going to be any bicycle route and then this other pedestrian route that cuts through to the front of the building it will be very much engaged by people that are moving through the site on foot and buy a bicycle next slide shows trees that we're proposing in this area which include red maple american elm and northern red oak as your primary large trees canopy trees and then as far as the ornamental or smaller flowering trees we have service berry and red bud red bud we're proposing the white flowering to be consistent with the the color scheme of what we're you know we have the white service berry and the white red but they don't blue bloom exactly at the same time but they have completely different character in terms of their growth habit  the service berry tends to sprout a lot from the base and be a multi stem from the ground red but you know it can be more of a standard with low branch tree so that the three trees red maple american elm and and red o species carry across the pond edge those three primary trees against the ground plane st going in the sequence now we have to i want to explain that there is different levels of maine is associated with this that will be incorporated into the operation and maintenance plan for the landscape and the areas around the school building will be frequently mode and kept in what everybody's expectations of what a lawn should be in terms of its aesthetic appearance but then between the multimodal pathway and the pond and i think this will largely be dictated by the conservation commission once we we go through the notice of intent with them and have their own operation in minutes but those will be very low impact put laws in terms of no pesticides and fertilizers so those are more sponges more natural character mon areas so the reason for that is in terms of expectations is there might be some where we'd see more variation in the character of that lawn but it's a low maintenance lawn that is intended to minimize or prevent actually act as a way of absorbing run want to do what we intend to do in our presentation into the permit process for the conservation commission is to get permission for selective removal there are considerable number of invasive species in there that are easy target but we also want to be able consistent natural native species character that carries through as interspersed with the ornamental trees that would be under story and i think that's  know there was a question on size we understand that the size is again david that we're looking for trees oh so four inch as a minimum the i know that the tree standards are three and a half to four inch but when ever we specify trees of range in size which is the american nursery and landscape association standards you'll get the small end of that so if you want four inch trees which is my understanding is a minimum that the town has  encouraged no required i guess is probably the right word previous projects that we would use the four dollars to four dollars and a half in our specification to ensure that we can enforce the four inch minimum so there's a lot here and i appreciate the fact that you didn't get the drawing package but even if you did there's still watch here and i would entertain a group session or sessions to sort of break these components into discussion topics that we could work through and try to reach consensus and come back in a month from now may th to present a quick summary of where where we got to that's fine the working group at this point is just dead right to he does does anybody else want to join i think we can have two people on the working for right we don't have one right yeah there's anybody else it would do it but i think we need a volunteer procreation for town meeting spencer i understand i said i spoke with the town clerk on my way in and i understand we have to send a levy thank you very much have a nice evening that we need to send a letter to ok to wrap it up so it's in process yeah that has to be approved by us though right to me jeffrey did not indicate that was the case when do we meet next let me take a look at the i just have to sit here and who's not here oh here it is yes so we meet on the th which is a thursday right that's right the there is and here i should tell you that i will t ok and so look for an alternative date for that well i just i won't be here for that two weeks look at oka so and then so if we're meeting on  the th which is next thursday and we're not meeting before ten meeting we need to have all the and we need to have the language for the and then mention place right which right correct that's correct and how about the presentations so i have draft presentations for the s r b if we want to go through that this is i put this together i reach out to steve they let him know locus map just orienting everyone to where this or b is with in town a statement on what the the rationale for the imminent was occurring reads to allow for thoughtful change to existing homes while providing the opportunity for public input on that i think that that's probably useful at the beginning for the rationale which is we say there are concerns of the neighbors here for over zoning we did have the playing with the graph here yes and i actually talk after we spoke today i put together an alternative version based on our discussion to see if this addressed your concerns of know i think actually i looked at this again and when i took a look at the pie chart you really don't need the whole what's what funny about the pie chart is that you show all the market rates and if you just taken out the market rates and present it with you know what the slices of the of the other party are or however you compare those things that works better but this here this is met a maximum percentage of affordable housing and requiring ten so we get fifteen so this is on the line to where we should be going i don't know if this is the chart but this is more representative because it shows that what's what the proposal is that we're rated in the middle ok which which i think is what which is representative of what we're proposing but i need to think about this some more on need to talk with rachel about this in ed because you got to be talking about the right too i don't want to i don't know if this is something that we talk about or something that we show i'm not too sure about that and i'm with  line that less is more on this so i don't know if this is we go through this process of we think about this and this helps us i don't know if we present this i'm not too sure at this point but i think if you just present the facts of what we're trying to do with culture for actually the majority part of the color changed at that height age right at the major the major changes it changes it changes from twenty you know from that twenty to forty is the change right and then the changes the mixed use exactly right and those so i don't think we see those here but this is great though because this will help us to think about what else have we got so for the time being i graphed the st presentation that was made by the  folks it contains a lot of the type of information that the board would typically present so i thought we could walk through this and see if there's content here that's worth keeping if there's slides that are definitely to remove i have total number of units a month development or yes there's three there's just a couple things in here in some ways it's we're cleaning it up because some of the breakdowns were too fin e you know compared with the developments that we actually see in town like we tend to get smaller ones we tend to get these ten to fifteen or under twenty kind of things wouldn't it be what's that is that the ten percent  ten percent and then we're going to see larger things that we're not tending to see that twenty dollars to thirty dollars to forty dollars which was a breakdown in the i don't think we will see those and it's also in line with the fifty percent is know getting her going wall street yeah yeah i mean more than a lot of this is housekeeping i mean part of this is housekeeping and part of it is is frankly simplifying it and making it relevant to what we actually see in the town know yeah from the planning boards point of view we will get questions you guys will get questions from the audience for housing and all that but those are things you can answer you know you can make the at sea of why it's important to write all of that i mean i think that in some ways the thrust of this is the is the cleanups i mean consistencies of things that spencer and rachel about that and if you guys need me home ok if we need help with the presentation yeah yeah of course i mean spencer have we got anything else on the agenda for sist special cases that are coming up other than the ones that are down below right so there's the there are three cases on to be early april th in addition actually to the high review on those two cases thirty three trowbridge is a relatively small it's a two story addition but it's relatively small compared to other projects we did not go through the work of the ones that have gone through the working group but we have pretty good shape on   there are there is this is an interesting maintenance issue the wellington school that somehow the water is being drawn into the they would on the  masonry and stuff no i think it's more that the concern is that fifty k won't last forever if you soak it in water right unless it stays way yeah yeah yeah so so no i think it's impressive to see mastery of the committee of so many different details in all across the town spending  in fact it is and it and the town is constantly applying to the community preservation people for doing routine things like oh playground upgrades and things like yeah so which is an appropriate use  question about it but but the question is how you know what what is the role of the community preservation act funding here in the larger context of  the playground the playground is open they still need some grass on the hills there but the playground was open and it was full of kids and parents and they were having a wonderful this was like a saturday or sunday morning it was wonderful what happened in terms of town councils opinion on and on the clock the optician is coming from the church as a church on property and the question is going to be what happens when we're going to let the town meeting decide i thought the it's such a simple as that not on our night good of life anyway good they're here on the traffic advisory oh you want to be put on a committee