portion was very very small and the variable forces you meaning if you didn't use any water if you want to be patient for a month paid almost nothing and just imagine that everybody oh now i went on vacation for our revenue would just be the fixed cheaper below that cost so that's essentially our lifeline so if you've got someone on a fixed income they're paying their fixed monthly bill plus the water they're using they're paying less than the costs are so that's the li which subsidises over so this model is exactly i think what you're alluding to that's correct is a significant portion of fixed cost that everyone has to pay because we have to cover the the first here's a variable which we don't even break even to give people a break and then we make the money up for the high water this encourages conservation because you want to be able to but also is fair in that it guarantee and bring in enough money to fund the six states so this is a i don't think it's a floodwall it is still technically not balanced in the sense that we are not collecting enough pics revenue to cover actual fixed costs so we what i would say is we are getting i would say the rate structure itself is not flat but it's a very progressive restructure and i think we're sort of the twenty percent of the country that is using this as we go to conferences and i've and we're doing really getting into this philosophical determination should the community sort of push a lifestyle or should the county department the council cost is very low first tear up to three thousand dollars a month and then it's going to go through the roof to sort of encourage everyone to be as frugal is as is your being that's i think with our li i don't disagree with you the structure itself allows for that just by changing the values of this for two years well i'm just saying actually considering the time technology  the highest tier and try to keep the low tier is lower so that people want to conserve and if they choose not to we end up getting around that that is our push and essentially people we also know that the per capita water use answer areas like haiku is very low knowing that those are very very high so we've got enough we know where it is but we are not as a department targeting the bill of the rate structure to do it right now i'm saying that we have no way to measure what is happening in the house and a healthier lifestyle is affecting their bill we just don't know what's happening i doing i mean i guess those because of the work that i'm doing with different time there are different kinds of you know technology is that if we if we wanted to and i obviously we have a community on maui where there are a lot of people who have high tech knowledge and you know i mean i can just imagine trying out some are here signing up something that says hey there's a contest to see if you can figure out some innovative way that we could do to get people to participate and talk about why the water is obviously super important for people right now people understand and say and obviously with the voluntary and of course it will be one hundred percent accurate and yes people don't want to the fairly say what they're doing because  know if i have a certain kind of grass that they consider normal and my next door neighbor has grass and uses more water then they've somehow put a factory in the makes his bill higher than mine because he's not as good more because you should be using special they are taking this approach they're reaching out to the other side of the meter and there they were very complicated restructuring so they constantly change based on the conditions and the rate structure is different for different neighbors based on what they're doing i'm just saying that it is possible we are no where we are not pursuing that with people who try to sell it to us to look at the reality of what it would take to do it and as director my advice to the forward to the council has been to stick with our progressive tear modify it on a macro level without trying to drill too much into i'm not good i'm a hand ok so i'm in my house and i see all this water flowing in my graph i have the feel like catchment thing and i bought it you know close god knows how long ago doesn't work that well you know if there was somebody who came out and said here's how you could together a really simple easy catching system so that when you don't have water in high school which i don't know when i'm going to happen again but obviously it will here's how you do it and then that supports the conservation now obviously you also have to figure out how you can get revenues if you really trying to be forward thinking and innovative and looking at the island how do we support our children our grandchildren and be able to live here as the population keeps growing and people coming and quite will become more and more explodes as we try to talk about what's going to go so we deal with it really from a macro standpoint we're trying to use the rate structure of isaac richmond and have people say look if i want to save money i'm going to do that i don't and let the private sector come in and say hey i'm from the private sector i can teach you about i can build you a catchment system and you can see if you can save water you can save money my belief is that our role is  i wonder if we focus if we're in agreement about what the actual course of constitution it's i can tell you that in my mind conservation would do concert water conservation so that we had more capacity with the existing infrastructure that may also have some residual effects on fire but to me if you can conserve water so you can serve more users with the really look at the physical infrastructure there been studies of this done for the water the physical water for about half the size of three is for fire protection so nothing was ever going to catch on fire all the other house and i'm sort of making up wreckers and some huge percentage of that is for outer vision non non agricultural type irrigation so if you want to pick the easiest thing to conserve to make water available for other people and the only thing we could really conserve substantial results and that ends up being a community value which i don't comment on i just bring up as a slave but the real question i why should i not water my lawn conserving isn't really going to save money for the existing ratepayers because most of the bill is for fixed costs so the real reason to conserve for us no account is if we want to use that water of mathematically shews where we are but if you want to push it one way or another your recommendation to push to restructure what we're pushing the other way and that would encourage one of those f lowers the incentive for conservation on the part of the water apartment so we so if there was some other way and i don't know what that is i'm just saying if we have some slightly different way i mean and we have part of this is the problem with this is how you know our sort of capitalist system work there's a whole bunch of examples of that in different ways where you're working at cross purposes and so if there was you know some time spent trying to figure out how it works another way to get a little bit of funding that would  but that's all i'm saying and i'm saying i don't think it's a possibility i think that you could easily send out something in the water bill thing if you have more than four people living on your property in less than a thousand square feet of looking for a beer or whatever please send us an e mail and put it in here and then you know and that doesn't we can be tweaking a whole bunch of different here so you can be looking and saying ok well you know so you can hide with four people you've got a pretty good rate for what you got on but if you have ten people in that house then that you know o'clock and we get a one third rate and you start changing your behavior and you think about doing things differently and sometimes you know just like people go to costco to get the gas for eighty cents you know sometimes i'm like why are we waiting this line for an hour to save three dollars there and yeah maybe it's not perfect but maybe we help the poor family over here maybe we get a little bit more money over there from somebody who's you know wealthier and has your property and maybe we also figure out other ways to fund water to our nothing is going to be   end perfect but they're certainly pretty the technical fixes for getting some information we're open to any suggestions from the board just as far as constraints go we've been under constant pressure like most  think been very well while good to her and building structures are when it really comes down to no one can you determine what is actually there and our whole industry struggles with this t w w has a whole separate to maybe publishes a book bureaucracy of how difficult that would be from a union organizational structure stamping the ball is that the recycled water quality is really dependent on the wastewater treatment process and to have the same person be in charge of is more important than dealing with it and as an example back when i was on the wastewater side there were some are we putting out that water and he said dave you know my little girl plays on that water it's cool nobody cares about this more so you had the waste water guys are making sure that the end water is clean on their end essentially i thought we're borrowing too much we're bringing in show revenue and our debt was going up much much faster than the revenue that's what got them to double the water system developed because that was my biggest concern is it just wasn't enough money coming from that  increasing much faster than the road to balancing it by spending our cash reserves and i think i told him that you know my estimate was three to five years we're going to get a sort of point of no return and they listen to that and has to be watered off the primary meter and only the coconut trees are water off the act essentially just imagine if you just have one potted plant and you want to go through the expense of that act here feel free but only th even if you're selling those fruits for two thousand dollars only the water for that one plant comes off everything else off of it if we can shift to that all of a sudden whether somebody is a very very small farmer or  this i agree that we've got a huge number of people that are not really farmers but the legal definition for head rates and if we could get those people off of that  i'd like to talk about seasonal rates council structure is built like that get sent to the full council they refer to a committee that got sent to the budget and finance committee so there is a master list and then it's up to the committee chair to schedule it knocked and so far it hasn't been  of it so we're still struggling a little with that damage and neither of the two systems are back on line yet and nothing is insurmountable but it's just again sort of the little things