good evening and welcome to the farkle voice lichens meeting on tuesday nov fifth two thousand and thirteen on the agenda tonight at seven thirty p m we are public airing continued alteration for the privacy laws restaurant license for m  area that's contained the liquor licenses and that when they want to expand the a shows how he wants  policies and procedures i talked about last time i want to highlight two more think they're both important the first from overall control of the stadium and specifically with respect to alcohol homeland security and so if you see something say something and we've adopted that not only with respect to security but also with respect to alcohol service and i don't think there's many venues out there who ask their patrons to help them  look for things look for issues and the way i highlight that is that we put in place a text messaging system in which any fan can text to us anonymously anything they see in the stadium and it can be anything from a broken see someone getting sick or for someone getting sick a medical a possible fight but that comes into our command center command center staffed by fox repeatedly far for fire stadium staff and allows us to respond to all those issues so it's really our organization taking it to the next level that we have fox repeatedly throughout the site we have security throughout the site of fire state police on route ones but we take it to  further extent and when i brought also in tonight just to show you that every five minutes during our n f l games on our boards we run that it's included in our fan code of conduct it's included online it's included flyers that get handed out to every patron who parks on our site and in satellite lots but this is an important piece of our program too is that we want safe service of alcohol all the time and even though we have supervisors there address it which i talked about last week even though we have over one hundred police officers at n f l games inside the stadium as well all our management and over nine hundred security guards we want the seventy thousand fans to be our eyes and ears too so i want i thought that was important to point out to the board trespassing because the people who cause problems cause problems twice but we do do is it's not a it's not a final judgment but in order for someone to be able to come back to jail at stadium we require that they take a four hour online awareness course that talks about alcohol it talks about aggressive behavior and detracting from the enjoyment of others and only after those people complete that course are they allowed back in july stadium and even then it's our discretion so if someone does something so offensive to us and so offensive to our fan base even if they take that course it's still in our discretion whether we let them back or not so we have strong policies in all areas and i won't spend time tonight going over the history that we went over last week and i can't go into in as much detail as you want but really in summation just want to reiterate that it's uniform control we're not adding to what we do today as a stadium we're just continuing what we do there's no impact on any of butters our neighbors because we're operating the same it's allowable reasonable and proper and later tonight we're going to something to do what's a good restaurant what's a good stores but now you have something i feel confident having my fifteen year old eleven year old up there with their buddies and their cell phones and drop him off there for three hours and come back and pick him up i have no worries when they go up there we use those spaces for a lot of different things throughout the year in terms of hospitality for both sponsors so there are great spaces for us to use there and to go to the revolution's operations in terms of attracting sponsors keeping sponsors track and fans and keeping fans so for us to have those spaces for uses is really critical to our operation in terms of craft soccer which is the entity operates all the soccer events at the stadium i'm also in charge of bringing things like the brazil portugal match that we have this past year the u s women's national team and all the other international events and we've got the stadium what i can say for those events it's a very very competitive bidding process to get those events here there they usually only happen once in one place in the country there's dozens of venues bidding for those events so to get brazil portugal to not revolution regular season not as actual at stadium and all those matches are generally very competitive bidding process and what's really important to a lot as organizations both the national teams and the club teams like manchester united that we brought in two thousand  seven is having hospitality spaces it's critical to their operation they bring a lot of sponsors with them to the matches and having spaces like this for them to be able to utilise for prosper tally not only on the day of the match but training is actually a big thing for these folks and so they bring their clients to the training sessions so the availability of the indoor and the outdoor field spaces is actually quite critical because people want to come see and watch the team's practice while they're being entertained so in terms of the transfer of the license to splitsville i think would just be great to have that that that function event space here at the stadium as well i know we would probably utilize it for for fans and for clients as another alternative for something to do for them actually last year when john mentioned kane's we actually had an event at sure we would make use of it i've i've been to disney where there is one it was a lot of fun so it was all those things i'd i'd ask that that bill to transfer the license to splitsville and the redoing the license for  was us we had a great time we had a lot of family members a lot of you know kids activities a lot of great things that we were able to do for our foundation to help raise money and you know look to be able to do that and have that component of having alcohol there  while that's not the main focus of what we do for the foundation it definitely does help and we do fundraisers so from our point of view to be able to continue that of them which we are looking forward to and we're planning on now we would definitely need to be able to utilize  field house so me to be able support this cause and be able to have this transfer the license would be great for not only me with respect to the foundation but also i think for a lot of other activities that could take place and do take place we're going through now i know that the fence line does cover the current jail house and that they've implemented change security practices so it created to the field house is the same as entry into the stadium itself to upgrade the security level when there are events going on in two thousand and three and we have operated it without any problems whatsoever no violations no police calls no issues you've heard the  im nolan talk about the security issues we handle on how we do this the chief certainly has reviewed our policies several times and spoken about us security procedures they were all remained the same when this license was granted in two thousand and three the issue of public need and common good was decided at that time by this board i would suggest that since that time based on our operation the issue of public need in common good has not changed there we have not caused any problems to neighbors we have not caused any problems to the  police the premises if you grant this alteration the premises would remain exactly the same there would be no changes to the premises they'd be under the uniform control and security procedures compliant with  guidelines as they are listed on the a b c web site as far as your alteration of premises they in no way have any instance that any of the recent see decisions concerning public need common good and alteration of premises would anything we're doing would be in violation of that so we would ask your approval for our petition when you say alteration of promises so you saying if you want to alter the premises after we get the boys to approve it caps what in this whole area if if in fact you can't because your council knows well you can't grant us the alteration of promises unless the license we have there is approved to move out it can't be to licenses at the same premises so all right so i just want to understand now that you have traffic you have people who gain entrance to the game through the bubble now and they have so you have direct access in and out of the stadium through the practice fields that yes and that happens right now yes that they have done last year yes it's happened that way since she seems to be on a suit as two thousand and two so once they show their tickets in the bubble they no longer have to show they're you know they're in basically you know once they're in there and yes and so there's no other gate for people to go through to get into the stadium know the you know on practically speaking the community other factors for the slug them to consider are traffic noise parking the type of operation that carries a license and the number of licenses currently issued in that category so these this is what's on our mind as we're going to discuss this have an alteration of promises in two thousand and three for that that why and the board assign the license to the redistributor license because in two thousand and one we have far fewer stadium in two thousand to four we open their locations includes the stadium the outline of the area outlined between lot a lot tend to the terms of the north and bars are also includes a luxury suite in concession stands and this was subject area shown on the attached when a in total george stadium in two thousand and eight it correctly such to take into consideration such factors when you look at an extension or an alteration such as traffic noise size of operation that carries a liquor license in the reputation of the applicants and the opposition in the neighborhood and those are certainly something i'm capable of understanding and evaluating miller just handed out a memorandum and simply says is the fact that this extension entirely complies with the guidelines established by the a p a b c c from further initiated public want all the information that you provided to us is very informative but i couldn't find anything in here that you're evaluating the application and says it does comply with the typical alteration of permit case that may have found itself and winding its way through the court system from the a b c see what i did include however in the packet of information that i provided to you in the in the memo was as an exhibit those regulations provided by the the a b c s that that seek to provide some guidance on alteration guidelines for extension of premises case there's a request to extend hundreds of feet acres perhaps and you need to evaluate the extent of of control that is required under those that any any premises that is to be licensed requires that it be that it be inspected well the language of that statute you know very plainly states this to forgive expection sh attest to the safety of the building or the structure in which the applicant intends to sell alcoholic beverages to be consumed on the premises it it assumes a structure or a license for a structure a building that is a premises this again and on and unconventional way as is requesting a law that the licensed premises encompass more than as we sit here today whether it's right or wrong it's just you need to weigh the their advantages and disadvantages ok and i appreciate that i think that's where my head was from the last time that we transferred from the sag out we were focusing on the statue were talked about brick and mortar and you know our inspector went in there looked at doors and portals to get from one to the other with this is different it just seemed like that would there's nothing in here that addresses that but i think you just answered my question premises don't you also have to be able to it's more like a line of sight so you have to be able to really see the the additional space if you can alter the premises and when i was down when i that you had given away freely you had given to other locations and so my question is why should we now alter the premises to accommodate to give you actually in all practical purposes the ability to have liquor sales under what was formally to licenses it's almost like it's your having your cake and eat it too you've given up to licenses for two other areas but now you're altering really use them that often well and you have the ability to get the number of a specified number for each year of one day like result licenses so in essence even if we don't grant the alteration of premises you would still have the ability to is a real component of it's a necessity to operate the tailgate party just from the amount that the corporate customers are paying and how they want to treat the guess that they bring to that location to get a beer and wine license would not be sufficient smart and great chief investigator who was there and said if this board approved it he would recommend that has as the chief investigator to put in front of the state liquor commission for approval and he would expect that they would so in this instance you've had significant testimony from the likud that they are able to make control despite the vast size of the proposed licensed premises that they have regulations in place four corners of the licensed premises will remain responsible at all times and on premises so that you can rely that anything that occurs on the premises you've got someone that can respond and respond quickly  whether or not that can happen here again is a matter of judgment and whether or not you can be satisfied from what the applicant has been able to provide to you that that resolves that issue of of control  the state have been routinely multiple buildings have been granted on the same license and finally most recently over the past several years there was a decision on golf courses where not all the golf course building but also the entire premises and alcohol things have been licensed so there are there are multiple precedents for this guy  properties would the ticket be treated in the same way as if a ticket was purchased for an event inside the stadium i need some clarification if there is a ticket that's purchased to an event at the  referring to the stadium i just didn't license or give the stadium license we leased premises basically and the at the end of the stadium before the practice field and so it's restricted to the stadium proper question and one of the question is  if we were to incorporate the field post would that change any way over or change how you are required to have detailed uniformed officers sort of meant no i think and i think this is two pieces on that first of all with respect to any stadium event so a call that revolution concerts patriot games and other events we host a all agency deploys officers in that location while it is operational if we were to have another event in there then we fall under the guidelines for reporting to the chief so that if we reach a certain number of patrons and we submit that whether the events in the club or whether the events in the field house once we hit the required threshold we report that to the chief on a monthly basis and then the chief makes a determination as to whether he requires at his sole discretion a detail for that event or not and i think the other thing from a stadium perspective too i think the chief can attest to this there have been events that do not fall in line with the regulation and we reach out to the chief and say chief you know we're not required to tell you about this but we'd like to have a detail because our ultimate goal is to be safe at all times so the regulations help us to be safe the agency meetings help to be safe but if i myself or mark bri determine that's an event that doesn't fall under that umbrella a problem for example that if we have a problem that we want to have a detail on we'll call the chief and we'll provide a detail so that's kind of a long winded way of answering it did so in order to have the bubble if it was not in this perimeter if there was not a license there in order for them to have like a one day all organizations to request from your board a one day license up to thirty per year that would be for beer and wine only if it were a nonprofit they make the same request thirty per year but that may be there may be a grant of all alcohol to a nonprofit ok thank you it's just a subtle distinction in that in the statute that exists so that depending upon what now we have two licenses and if this works i'm going to have basically three separate premises that are combined now under one one entity one license so what happens when there's a function at the dana farber field house a wedding or a problem or something in there's a violation ok in the past when we've had to vent violations in familiar with our liquor regulations that have been refined over the years but basically it can be summed up as a strike one strike t strike three each strike has ramifications if an event happened in the dana farber field house where this is now spread so thin that there's only one license and we do a one day we do a one day suspension or a one day event is this board have the fortitude integrity whatever you want to call it to say a day is a day and have in effect a seventy thousand person event because there's only one license you don't have the ability to separate it anymore not really the board issue but it's going to it's a you know it's a fall out from what's happened over the last couple of years here so that's something i think we need to consider you know what if scenario is if it's not the case right now well then that that is she was an issue we face right now with the state of license her it's it's it's just a matter of degree i'm not saying it's a it's not a legitimate issue by a stretch of education but what i'm suggesting is compared to other licenses we certainly do a tremendous number of transactions and we do a very very good job in terms of making sure those transactions are done responsibly i think that that will continue in the stadium and i think that if you grant this alteration that same philosophy will apply to the other premises that we seek to expand to so it's a legitimate question no doubt about it i think that we do a superior job and we will extend that's a period of responsibility to these other locations but just so on the record that's that's the concern so a year from now you know if it's a saturday event then you don't have the intensity and the control because it's a charity and on a saturday morning and there's no game it will carry over potentially the same issues and slotman developes i would say that we apply the same standards whether it's you know we had we had a great event mark our club that we had eight hundred people for beth israel deaconess it was a great gala we apply the same standards to that crew as we would to a revolution game in a football game so our diligence is universal in the same when we serve alcohol  just as a reminder we would also like i was fifteen years same standards to whether something violation happens at the stage or a violation happens that any other we're not asking to be treated any differently we hope to be treated as well as anyone else might as i mean those leaders enterprises growing that's a good thing but as you grow is this the end of your requests for expanding the perimeter or say you would build another practice field in the back would you ask for that to be incorporated into the criminal laws as this is the end of the requests well the good news is the request for making now is  coincident with the fence line so to two for us to come back here we'd have to do an expansion and extend the fence line in some direction and that's just not planned right now he had to do things change certainly they do but at this point in time the short answer is no we field as we've said before we think that this is the type of thing that should be granted because we have a fence line around that entire area making it one continuous process there's continuous there's there's some control the you know jim is the manager for that entire premises we conduct ourselves very responsibly and we think we can do it now practically speaking as i think you all know the dana farber field house does not open every day of the year so the liquor license that's on that property right now is a relatively underutilized liquor license and and we're not planning on having wholesale changes to what we do at the day of her field s we're planning on conducting our operations after this alteration is approved in pretty much the same manner as we're doing it now that's that's the the practical reality of what we're what we're doing as we sit here as presently we do it responsibly we don't utilize that alcohol license every day of the year what we're hoping to do with this alteration of premises is continue that same format where we wouldn't have any greater intensity of use or service of alcohol  tomorrow than what we do today so that's you know we think that's a better utilization of those assets freeing up the license to  utilization is what you're saying is that utilization of that is you know as i said i'm not really sure what freeing up means but what i'm saying what i'm saying looking at life not having yeah i mean if you're asking are we asking to have that license transferred to splitsville absolutely no doubt about that  it could be considered abandoned and should be returned to the licensing authority i don't think we're hearing that no i'm just don't want to hear it no there is no no penalty there's no requirement that it be use one day three days or that you noticed the the stadium a little perimeter which is the least premises which is subject to the provisions of the agreement between the town in the stadium and and tax in lieu of taxes the other areas practice fields and dana farber remain on the tax rolls if you well and subject to such spent in taxes here my understanding is that you no longer want the board to vote on this until after we continue to discuss deliberation on splitsville it's whatever the board so i thought that's alteration of this promise well i hope you can conduct your deliberations and vote as you see fit there's a practical consideration here which has to do with you know because of the relationship between the two requests you know which should come first which should come second frankly i'm not really sure that it's whatever the board feels is appropriate but from a from an operational standpoint a public hearing standpoint you've done your job you've conducted two hearings you've closed the two hearings you've conducted your deliberations so you can vote in whichever war you feel is appropriate now for if there was a motion in a positive to alter this would the motion have to be with the consideration whether or not to alter the promises as the the pros are it frees up a little license to use for another business of paper place and the concept being that the one license for the stadium should be expanded to come with territory apart from the property describing the stadium lease that's the alteration promise the cons are cover sports bill would be doing is you creating by expansion a license out of thin air to cover back right now you have an all alcohol license for that area you need an all out the whole license for that area you got it ok this is really mind my understanding of the liquor licensing statute is that one of the reasons why municipalities are allowed to grant liquor licenses is to spur economic development and to improve their tech space right now the license of the dan farber field house as i said before is underutilized you know we don't utilize it three hundred sixty five days a year with the two applications that you have before you that liquor license will become much better utilized and that will certainly result in better economic development i think the testimony from last week was you know four and a half million dollars of additional capital investment one hundred twenty five jobs i think was was the number i heard and somewhere between seventy five one hundred thousand dollars of incremental tax revenue to the town that's revenue that the town is not receiving right now that's the benefit that are you going to be receiving additional user fees under the stadium lease know that that property is beyond the stadium lease property but by adopting these two or approving these to application you will be improving the economy here in fact grow you will be spring job creation and you will be creating additional tax revenues for the know you can still have you can still transfer the license from the dana farber even if we do not approve the alteration promises because that's that's your prerogative if you want to apply to to to move that license to to another entity so just so it doesn't mean that you we have to alter the premises if you decide that you would like to use the dana farber license for another for another entity you know we're not compelled to alter that license in order for you to transfer the  fabulous like license to someplace else it's up to you if you want to apply it to that it's and so we're not compelled to alter the premises to accommodate your decision to move that license to someplace else i understand so i think i mean at the end of the day in a kind of using different terminology that they want from three licenses are going to go down to one and is going to be to choose to do different entities i think the discussion of of those two separate topics here is is a more benefit to do this than leaving it the way it is or you know playing around with having balances here and things like that so you know that the economic benefit sure there is going to be increased jobs and there's a probably a page of positives in there also negatives that come with increased alcohol and that's where the mitigation comes in so i think we all understand what you know whatever terminate all knology of of moving it around but at the end of the day i think what we're voting for in two steps is one license here in two licenses offsite which used to be together one point two to two the history  licenses came from where the three different liquor licenses were originally at this encompassed by the stadium fans one was from the all track you know actually cheaper leary has a much better memory than i do because i forgot that the track kitchen license i think that may be where the third license came from originally so there were actually three this is what i got out of it three original licenses encompassed by one area it all depends upon what time frame you're talking you know but when the new stadium was created there was certainly three licenses that covered the areas that that are shown over here yes prior to the new stadium i believe they came from the old stadium at the racetrack some combination of those two facilities in the racetrack had to one the kitchen one somewhere else in the actual club and you know you have to get go to town he's in here to go to work get to figure this one out against but in any event like these these are not three that came from the last year to gauge and no i understand ok to this place so i mean one's already gone my feelings are more comfortable if if what they're saying and i agree from my experience it's three so it's three separate licenses now it's two separate licenses but in any event it's managed by the same police effort same coordination site same law just x so for got to either have two separate ones right now or one together my preference is to have one together rather than have day licenses where i mean to come you know so if you want to have them at each home game then you deal in seven or eight times seven applications seven managers issues  and other people that work with telus saying you know they don't have enough centers working alone right now i think it's a consideration i have to understand she doesn't have a system to me more so what i think is really i think what you have to consider is the increase in the area or if you're increasing the perimeter and i can and then the fact that at one point you had to have licenses i mean and i was why i was what you back in on with jimmy said that he was more comfortable one  encompassed by the fans i agree with that on top of that he was going to the point where he said you know you're going to be coming here more more more every other week looking for every week looking for a one day beer or four whole license which i was incorrect apologize for that but i don't i don't want to be dealing with that ever hearing but well the thing is if if these two licenses i mean why wasn't this requested before it's being requested now because they're using no street licenses for two at locations and then what they're doing is increasing the perimeter so they're having their cake in the year two that they're continuing to have the same privileges under one license now that they had under three but don't just mean that's what business is all about i mean people looking for to expand opportunity i think it's a place to start i was very confused by this when this law first came about i had i'm now very clear on what's going on because i have had multiple attorneys explained to me one that we hired for special counsel because we were too comfortable with the first council he's come out in front and said that it's up to our discretion my interpretation this whole thing is i think it's a good idea i think it's economically a good idea when you're not read the license to the next and to do it is all about the next hearing but say that i think that  the way it's managed is good right now personally i think that you know i believe that the hall of fame should have kept the original license which should not have you know in looking back and looking at the structure and having done a walkthrough and reading the regulations you know i view that as a separate entity so that's where i come from in terms of looking at this so i'm comfortable with the bubble having its own license and i think you know i'm not really in favor of adding additional acreage to the license because it's we're talking twenty four acres on the stadium and now this increases it to approximately the footprint of about one hundred forty acres under one license i have a concern about that control wise i'm comfortable with the control on the bubble as it is anything else i was in favor of can you just read the motion again so we can as the traffic the noise the size of the operation the carrier of the license the reputation of the application and the lack of opposition those who were in my mind that i think it's important to have  and that we considered whether the fencing in other proposed modifications in able to license you to maintain control along with  applicant also the board of selectmen considered whether the fencing other proposed modifications enable the licensee to maintain control along with considering traffic noise size and type of operation wall in the reputation of the applicant operating on ok if you could you might my only concern with this is actually the the element where you've now colocated how with the moon i had intended to go into boston to may or may not be conducive was valid as it gets later in the night i think that's one of things will work with the ground we're drawing eligibility but again i think what we have you've got you know twenty thousand square feet of which the vast majority is not centered right around the stage you've got a full kitchen we expect to do you know seventy seven five percent of food in bowling and you've got to be looking oneself also so i think it's just a completely different context putting in this building with all the other atmosphere and then we go on and again we do  but that is the core of what we're just trying to do we're not trying to open a health and we're not going to buck it's when i can do all stuff on the website we are going to put on a very high quality entertaining form of live music that's it that's it the rest of this business and the ninety five percent of this business is but still you guys are proving that splits will pay to place where the just the guys on the stage a couple nights a week that's all it is and i think the noise around the website and the noise around the buckets and the is drowning out what we're trying to do here so i just want you all to be clear of what we are doing i know that you know and that is the essence of what we're asking to do sorry that's what i got you know but thing is the all i saw was twenty one to thirty something year olds drinking also it was a lose there was of a flash of a piano but really wasn't any emphasis on the live entertainment in fort lauderdale so the idea of having you know kind of you know a lot of arrows in your quiver so to speak so that you can really it's a competitive landscape out there you need to drive business and we have a very active social  the director of sales and systems record sales of the renaissance today they are over the top excited about both sides because they run a lot of core business through your place and they like the bowling side for kind of team building they love it how are how the move that we can bring in and and you know and now you look at the the web site but you we look at the quality of the entertainment and again entertainment is a piece of what's happening at split village is you can see that the the emphasis is on the bowling in the family in the family aspect of the activity but it truly is the quality of the players and where they're coming from is as paul mentioned in the in the last meeting you know these are berkeley school  graduates and this is their career and that's the quality entertainment that we felt when when these guys proposed it together it made perfect sense when we went around and saw splitsville not just boston as we went to tampa we went to two other locations jack still and we saw it work because of the entertainment obviously you know not to rehash the efforts were making to ensure that we don't have issues with alcohol in picture place the if that were the overriding factor that the room how well and a drinking element to it it wouldn't make sense for any of us to do that we're bringing a quality and entertainment small piece to a great use and that to talk about the the amount of bowling that goes on and it should be roughly thirty percent of sales and it also it also depends and how the show is going to be two nights a week so the other five days maybe three of the five days a week it's going to be more about the   we actually spoke for we actually treat bone as a game not a sport we don't do leagues it's all open play and let's say that you're want to go try to bowl you go to a bowling alley you're bowling beside somebody who's in a league who's trying to pick up their spare and you've sport of bowling and we been very successful at doing that and it was when we opened up disney actually the president of brunswick which obviously all they care about bowling was excited then we were taking this concept and we were able to bring it out to the people there are normal bowlers because from a from a competitive boeing sport the sport is on the decline been able to get kids to come in and learn how to evolve and have fun with it well hopefully get knowing back on an to put things in perspective if you've got a full house the vast majority of people are not going to be able or they're going to be waiting to go i will guarantee you that our grand opening weekend we will be on are probably a two to three however wait for bowling on those friday and saturday nights because people are going to want to get in there and that's what happened in every one of our locations so that the other great is also opening up at eleven a m you'll have families and kids bone in there so throughout the entire day part there's a lot more bone than you think and just  on two floors and fifty thousand feet so you get twelve lines here in about twenty thousand feet but it's kind of i think i said last week if we do our job correctly for your community when you first walk in the door the first word out of your mouse going to be wow this doesn't look like a regular bowling alley and then we're we're going to bring you back is going to be the food is going to be the service you know talk about the first class of bowling to be able to you know someone a concierge walk into your lane with your bowling shoes in a basket put your name in the computer just released a star on spitzer yes and we have sixteen gluten free menu items now and it's just a competitive world as we introduce rice bowls we introduced some new sushi rolls i mean we just have to be we think at the top of your name across the gamut of what you do which which solo guys whether it's we had a house band it stops for eleven years sixty's house band we did british invasion seventies bands we did eighty's bands it's hard to get entertainers to do what you want them to do their their art is there they're there they're full of drama it's very complicated so it's no small piece getting the piano players with talent to show up and play within the parameters and do it in a very strong fashion i mean it sounds easy but the guys point i'm fairly will give us something that i mean from a standpoint it will be even i was kind of cooler than disney because i think you bring in this together and i think it's something really special and i think i think creature points and fox bird special place i mean when i first came up here two years ago i mean i'm thinking what what we don't and then when you come here and see the from the stadium from the town the community you have the radius that you pull around from here to what the renaissance is doing i'm  when pressed i mean i know it's not about the high school in the video but i mean the research that i've done literally hard over the last probably four to six months there's a lot of business that we're going to be able to even create that that is not at pager place right now we were there the other day and they were doing the little trick or treaters during the day and they were going around and they were getting the candy of the different shops and i look over gibson and i go if we were open those women and those kids would be gone in splitsville right now which is obviously somewhere in between we would have a review from building and fire of the detail plan in the build out right that would would set it but your requirements are that our floor plan be consistent with what you licensed and that's what's in fact  it's wonderful it's great to see your enthusiasm my focus is on public safety and so really i kind of peel splitsville away with the in the mix of your  sales is different from how the moon which which is where i start to focus so i just wanted you to know that i think that this concept is terrific last week i heard ed talk about our statistics and you know again i think our staffing levels are spread really thin just in terms of our police force i know there's work being done number of people in a venue it's almost like at the same time as saga coming up we're bringing on the equivalent of another toby keith and you know i did talk about the twenty four day reports and you know where we are in relationship to other much larger cities than us putting out the same number of people who you know do report foxboro not necessarily patriot place but just foxboro because of  their last place that they had to have a drink so i just need to put it out there that i'm very concerned about public safety with the venue of this many  an alcohol related business is completely different i mean there's you can't compare the two the only thing i we're doing is we're taking those four or five people that are on that stage a couple ways we can put them here as entertainment the food component the alcohol service the bowling revenue the children's entertainment the layout everything is everything is consistent with a typical splitsville and so what i hear the concern by it but i'm not we're not opening a mini hell to moan in the middle of the testimony was on the percentage of alcohol was actually fairly low percentage of alcohol based on splitsville model which mean there were the answer was seventy five percent for how even boston which is a totally different concept and not what's being proposed here what's being proposed is what is already being offered nationally which has a low percentage more and look at it this way if we are a regular splitsville we would still have that marker right we're not building a different bar because it's album in there so we would have that stage of there and we would have a two or three man act of their point we'd be doing the exact same thing so i think that's a reason if you focus on it the food sales to liquor sales are going to be seventy five to seventy combination of parties and we've done right at two hundred events and a lot of them are eight person birthday parties for kids some of them we're doing major league baseball next week for nine hundred and our space so we can run the gamut number two it's actually helped them and they do incredible amount of corporate events so i know that i know what you're saying down on the website but i'm telling you that that's a great people that the convention crowd the corporate crowd loves that entertainment i mean they'll create a song for your company so i can know if you had or from the city of foxboro let's say you're going to come and have a corporate event or holiday party there and they would sit there in the entertainers actually create a song talking about the board of selectmen or the chief of police or whatever i mean it's really fun  like that but i'm just saying it's that kind entertainment i couldn't get my guys downtown disney to create that to save my life so i think if you look at it that way and really what we're doing here and that like i said once again that's a reason so excited place and i think what you say us so your enthusiasm is so infectious i question why why don't you just go out on your own because i really am concerned about like  place there was a lot of drinking going on and a pager place the number one complaint i get from the constituents in foxboro is there is a lot of drinking up in paper place and why in god's name do we want to add more to it and i think there's a big difference between the splitsville current concept because it's bowl and it's food it's drinking but the how with the moon it's drinking  entertainment but it's drinking that's how it's in even though you say don't pay attention to the website you paid a lot of money for that website for that stuff and what you're promoting is drinking you know and that's why i can't i cannot combine them and i feel like if you get one license we're actually licensing two separate entities and a one license and i think that's being very disingenuous and like i said i love a medical establishment you get a hotel you have retail you have bars and you know have different types of entertainment i actually like the combination of splitsville with how at the moon with the standing like the brand name you know if you build it they will come so you know you going to change over time is going to turn into a boston you know that's my concern but i think it's you know and i also have kids and i could see them come in here in the early afternoon morning and if you know they're there at night and the something wrong with the parenting skills i could go there later with with adults and so that it serves a purpose similar to other things that have been done in patriots a place where you try to infuse stuff during the day where it's quiet and then that kind of fizzles off in then you get the night stuff going on i think what it comes down to me is in and i said the same thing last time how does it affect our public safety and how does it cost the town with the understanding that there are going to be jobs there is development is going to be money coming in from mills tax so there's a whole bunch of positives but the detriment of having you know if you look at even the floor plan you've got twelve bowling alley so if you've got you know ten in each bowling alley you get one hundred twenty people for bawling and then the rest going up to six seven hundred people are there for food and drink at late at night it's going to be less necessarily directed at us from our public officials aside and from our side what is the pain level with respect to what are we going to be dealing with with with public safety police fire calls and i go back to the mitigation in the exercise that was done for the first look at licensing the look at the list of the concerns some of them came to fruition some were concerns but never came to be but how do we quantify that qualify that so we can address and address it with the understanding that there is going to be alcohol there is going to be problems but it's our responsibility if this goes forward to make sure we're not behind the eight ball and try to address it after the fact so the mitigation is where i'm at right now and i  don't know that and the scene there were meetings with some discussion with chief larry in whether it's communication or staffing but i think that is an area that we need to discuss tonight as well and that's what i was going to after we spoke i was going to bring that you know and it's not to bring up other status and so i go back to what we went through with trader joe's you know it's going to be another alcohol establishment in there with promises made that the shelving in the service there of you know they're not going to be selling kegs in two bodies and all that stuff and you know i went to staples the other day didn't open up ten on a saturday i went to trader joe's and it's exactly what was promised in his very good to see that front it's how at the moment it's food fill in the application said it i think it would be disingenuous not to put how at the moment to get a liquor license and then change it later so i'm hoping one doesn't come to the press and the discussion is this is  e discussion we're having because i think it's up front and i think we just need to deal with the alcohol part of it all right couple things obviously he needs the paperwork some ways twenty percent stock their employees it's a right to work they quit and go work somewhere else but other employees of ours like any other business they can't work anywhere else because their contract for a year or a month or just you know contract labor basically there's nothing just i just want to understand that what most people experience the physical world that's what makes a difference is careers at least the older players are married with children and you know and that is a career for them i just want to understand that concept and make it clear so basically you know you've got some quality people and that's why these people approach you and and you guys you try to make this work out so that it can be good for everybody ok for obviously you sense the concern that this board has for public safety it always combined as it is a lifetime income so the problem you could have in the future as you put all this money would happen in town where there's been multiple violations of liquor license establishment and town where revocation has taken place and manages have been replaced and most recently there was one that was just the last straw so you put a four hundred four and a half million dollar investment into a bill and the last thing you want to do is come from this board in the next year or less or even longer and say yeah we got a violation because you know your you will have inspectors from the state it so you have to be very proactive lookalikes it does get granted that if your clientele were to violate the law it's coming back to you so i think you understand that it's a big responsibility one i would never wish on myself i would i couldn't do your business i wouldn't want nothing to do with him back to his place of the song for me so i think that's a huge investment that you've taken seriously and you really want to succeed moving forward that i think you know the board has its opinion and it's been a stretch on public safety so i  now and there's been discussion about just security at a stadium where i can proactively would probably say so now i'm reporting that to my board because like i have to at you know some ideas that he has already had in the years that are still to come in terms of of of augmenting the public safety model for patriot place i think it's fair to say that we had three meetings we've  we've walked some from some physical space in terms of of providing the chief with an area at patriot place for a for lack of better word a supervisory level person to oversee what's happening at picture place on a given friday or saturday night again to reiterate on any given friday or saturday night there is anywhere from eight to twelve officers had paid for place and  speaking for myself looking at it from the from the operation it's not a very well managed operation in terms of the details that are in certain  have communication between each other this is not a great level communication with pay to play security right now and i think the first step that we talked about is determining a role for a test of a supervisory level person from the chief's department to at least start to coordinate and in and look at that existing model as a as a resource for all of the officers be looking at a supervisory level person coming in and chief you can you can talk about the detail of that and what we're thinking about for the future over the last several days since the prior hearing myself and brian murphy in the original meeting with both our finance director and jim sullivan so we're trying to come up with a process that we could build an effective policing strategy for patriot place there is communication between all the different officers that are working there and again it's a variable number but i think a key component is to have a command level officer that would be able to oversee the operation of the different facilities and have a better span of control and be directly  there currently it falls upon whether the evening shift commander would be a one was running three or four cruisers to cover the town he would also have the dispatch staff at the station plus a number of details whether it's a high school football game or the eight to twelve officers it might be a patriot place we had a follow up meeting this morning and i've prepared a draft of strategies because not every strategy concept works but i wanted to implement this while in advance of any new openings to see if it will have the adjustment that will enhance the police capability not the costs necessarily to the taxpayer but as part of a detail on patriot place and i'm confident that as we examine other models that the model that we will pick would be the best one for the area that we're going to be working in because if you place appears to be static right now but i'm sure within the next few years to be additional growth issues that we'll have to cope with and i was suddenly available because i couldn't work tech day and when we were i was notified the chief ruler in brian would meeting i wanted to have a slug present and i think you know i always utilize a vice chair in her position not only to help me but help her solve becoming the chairman in the future because it's most likely what's going to happen and it's a tougher job than people think so we had the first meeting in the second in the rain was present i said i saw a lot of good dialogue and i saw what we need proactive for the future not just later but now coming to the holiday season with i see and correct me if i'm wrong ryan's been a long day in this meeting seems like it's already six hours walk ok the stadium is willing to provide funding f officer head off so that will have no no ties to the rest of the tallis it's a serious situation and that command officer will control the details working  together with all the details in case they need to be more visible or brought to a location well it depends on the incidents as they break within the property but to have command and control but also to develop a better relationship with the merchants that exist as well as with the security services that are on the grounds and utilize the video  there's a there's bilby office space available in there the office space that is is designated is right off of our loading dock so should any sort of processing need to happen you know discussion with with individuals either s victim or otherwise can all happen in the in the locate one of the locations that could be designated for this is multiple locations that we have shown the chief to facilitate this and with the average of eight to thirteen is  police details that in a regular week friday saturday right that's that's where we're the model is today which you know may or may not change in the future as as the as a new model is being analyzed but that's where clear the period of time that we're going to be reviewing this new concept with the command feature will be from friday november twenty second january fifth two thousand and fourteen as indicated  to take some steps to improve quality policing for the property for the safety of the people that come into foxboro want to enjoy patriot place and just interrupt us there was overseas and i'm thinking because right now you said that the shift sergeants correct back at the public safety building charge of the details more or less right so you're saying that hyper concentration of large establishment and really within a few hundred feet of each other is there any strain on policing with would such a high concentration if we didn't have any resources on the grounds it certainly would be we were having detail officers assigned to the different locations and manage it's not going to be significantly different because we're incrementally adding places as opposed to having everything open during the same timeframe yes alcohol density is something that you have to be concerned with and you have to take steps to try and mitigate the impact of ass if we're in a residential area that would certainly have more of an impact on the immediate neighborhoods and that has come over to several studies over the past decades or where in a suburban area surrounded by parking lots we have residential areas are not severely impacted as they are in a more urban area but it is something that you know we have to monitor and that's why we have officers assigned up there who are new to me so and with the the just means that you're about to trial when there is an incident will there still be a car responding to a teacher place when there is an incident no because we've x as part of this program rob so expanding the hours that the patrol wagon will be on the grounds of both to interact with the public in the smoky during the only part of the evening as well as having that capability during the night itself if people are taken into custody so they can be transported to the station who will process them will it be the wagon person who process them down to the station or how does that work as some of them off the road process that could happen whatever arrest this may find in any of the records we usually have a officer that makes the arrest as well as the shift sergeant in this case the arresting officer doesn't go down from the stadium we have them tried some innovative practices and having an assessment done of those as to the practicality of being a patriot place in for our community your thoughts on thursday night and over the years thursdays and seemed to turn into fridays a lot of times go people you see them going out to have entertainment there's a night she says a much as they do on friday nights we haven't really had that on a regular basis certainly when showcase live was using the different business format they were having acts on different nights of the week in fact this summer tuesday night became more of  that location and my staff has brought it to my attention so that particular facility has to be better prepared for having the larger crowds on a tuesday everything down in florida as well as going into the process doubtless meant speaking to the authorities there self i just want to commend you guys for coming then and jumping on that before the before the need actually the concern should be a little bit easier to deal with to me i like the concept i like the idea i think it will work but i'm also going to forewarn you know i'm probably the toughest person and i'm not trying to my want here i want to come as a violation so local licenses since i've been on this board seven years and being want to disagree fine but i don't take it lightly at all it sounds like you could have some issues moving forward with some of your cry and tell i hope you don't let it get out of hand and you control right away if this is granted and that's i mean that sincerely i want to build a relationship with the gentleman is is mitigation it could have included some some dollar changes if necessary there might have been some costs to building as long as it's tied to a about we had that discussion with in one of our meetings but i'm not hearing a response to that song i'm assuming that that's not something i was another discussion as you in the rain had another meeting like there was that i wasn't privy money obviously we we can't because that's we can't do that for liquor licenses but i reference at the last may meeting was the committee that you were on back in two thousand and seven two thousand and eight qualified in kwara qualified the potential issues in mitigation necessary for the twelve liquor licenses so that committee looked at police staffing fire staffing snow plow trucks equipment and you add all that up it was like one point four million say divide that by the twelve liquor licenses so that was one hundred nineteen thousand that you could put on a value of a liquor license and that's the only discussion i've had it was at this table so that i think if and that's what this report is back from the autonomy in two thousand and seven that you guys were part of so what hearing is some of the things that were back discussed back then such as police staffing was quantified and rather than paying for the police you put it into a fund and i'm assuming it went to the general fund and went back to pay for the officers in the extra staffing so that there was a part of that agreement was  hundred forty thousand dollars for ten years and so that's due to sunset i believe in two thousand and eighteen and that's what was discussed with you know meeting with dan murphy and randy scones and myself and i had to be attend because i was this was a  that the impact on public safety does not go away after twelve years and so that it would make sense for that payment to continue in perpetuity so that was what suggested but you know we're not getting a response on that it again is there a proposal about that and ask on a point to mr deluca now is that appropriate you had substantive discussions if there's an opportunity for additional discussions you could you can conduct those they don't necessarily have to continue here in your deliberations it may be an opportunity to continue deliberations to a different day if you think there's some reason to do that i don't i don't know if there is a mutual interest in doing that where do you want to caucus with your people well we wanted to take a five minute regardless of the subject matter about some other things so why don't we do that right now and we'll come back to you if there is something to discuss on this matter will be there to discuss it but we will take five mi thank you we have to go find their recess thank you i don't know if there's a proposal or a discussion that would that it was occurred that you know may need to be brought up publicly between the select men women that were together on that subject of of the what i did was i asked my start right asked about talking about mitigation related to the fact that the town of the volume of calls in the town has increased the police force stretched thin and you know considering the impact that another large venue will have in terms of you know the town will still be faced with process  incidents that happened i wanted to have randy present to explain where we are with basically finances and dealing with our police situation so actually randy would mind so we had this conversation with dan and basically this is what the proposal was that i do you know this is this is the proposal that dan was to take back this morning or yesterday morning when he was at the yes we met this morning so morning when we met and said that there was going to be a meeting this afternoon about what we had discussed last thursday and that he would call in a pop would let me know what happens and then coming in i was told that that was off the table so there was some discussion but i'll let randy explain in more detail so because he provided the the proposal that was brought forward in that meeting last thursday had to do not with the what was discussed here with the trial plan that the chief and brian have been discussing that specific to patriot place which you know sounds like a great great opportunity to create some efficiencies and you know it on the face of it it looks like it actually might you know reduce costs in terms of terms of details you know which is which is great but it addresses patriot place specifically so what you know what the concerns with the with the large facility you know such as what's going on how the moon is the impact on the rest of the community all that additional traffic and sort of it's a cross the community and the the police forces is stretched thin to manage increased impacts the of the mitigation money that's been received has been more than fully expended you know given that we've added seven public safety staff you know very early on and  so it's fully exhausted and then some and the town has you know fully invested beyond that so where we're at we're looking at a situation here where i would like to have the confidence to be able to add another  and to give us the confidence to be able to add that staff consider that stamp position for the police department you know the proposal was to continue that given the direct you know impact that has to be expected from this facility so you know we had this discussion with dan and then you know mark explain to me that that was not on the table so well let me say that the task that in what the chief talked about was a very strong plan in terms of of looking at the public safety issue and in reviewing it as things stand right now and we felt very good including in that meeting today where we said not only is this a short  term ability to look at the situation and analyze it and i said i you know i need a professional like chief o'leary to to analyze it for a longer term which is going to happen at the conclusion of this this point  and i think that's where we stand right now i think and i'll be perfectly blunt that i don't see how talking about the long term future and further mitigation is appropriate at this point  given the what we're dealing with here is a is a very qualified applicant we left the last meeting we've come up with a plan to address public safety so i guess i'm very confused ho you know that subject based on the meeting we had this morning the letter that was provided to the board by the chief where things stand i'm not sure where the appropriateness is of any discussion beyond that at this point in time