conditions in iraq the reason is because there is a negative credibility find in this case and that severely damages the case because unless it's reverse to be think that it should even though we were even though we were to reopen the case again the judges in san diego say i found the person not credible the first time so no matter the conditions in iraq today i still find the person not credible and it creates more and more discipline i agree your honor i don't believe so such substantial evidence supports the immigration judge's findings in particular i've detailed in my brief for example how the judge misunderstood the dates of my client's ar stuff i find it very difficult to say that we can overturn that credibility determination and say no you are wrong in thinking this witness was not quotable we haven't seen a witness we think he should have been held credible either nervous for that he did this with out of the other and that leads to the immigration judge decided that his demeanor was not credible but this judge did not do that call yes he did he said there were fluctuations in the way th dog gave his testimony with other words as i understood what he was saying the way he responded the way he even talked in his particular situation was different when confirmed about the inconsistency so about the date of his wrists but it was exactly what he said that was one of the reasons well there's a bit of a given play also in every one of these cases because we're relying upon a third person a translator to interpret what the petitioner says and share that with the judge and if you look at the transcript my opinion yours that although the translation w you could see the translator struggle to get the words out and they weren't always put in a grammatical order i mean it was something many times jumbled as you could see the translator trying to find the words and put them together were certainly falsified documents and leaving iraq but he couldn't even put it all together that he testified his name did not match the iraq papers there's birthplace in some english and yet it was issued thirteen to fifteen years after his birth date that there were in consistencies about the date of birth on three different birth certificates that hannah was not the last name on the birth certificate and the guy said that's because the government did it and yet it wasn't the government who issued that birth certificate it was the church that there was a problem about the document of the father's dea h that it was questionable that there was a problem about the document regarding the departure from mexico because it was one month was it a one month from the departure or was it one day after he was in jail where they fail to produce easily cooperating testimony his brother and his grandparents his uncles and aunts were right here and they didn't come there was evidence about the treating of his family members his mother and sister still being made in iraq that you have your own name than your father's name follows that your grandfather's name sometimes your great grandfather and then there's sometimes a clan name and he specifically stated that my iraqi documents don't contains all those names because that is christian tradition and not what the government in iraq expects to shorten the names and so that is why his name his phone name which we disclose completely on the application form is longer than that he has his claims of his identity his name his claim that his father and uncles had been killed by the iraqi government there were a number of different areas here which were identified as being problematic that could have been verified by whether it was the uncle who apparently he stated had left iraq after judge just finding or find that petitioners arguments are persuasive rather the court must review the record to determine if the evidence compels a finding that she was credible here it does not and further and recognized that at a minimum if we have a problem here as far as the credibility and we don't know what to believe then the immigration judge can require as he did here that easily available crab aeration be she had a wealth and if your future persecution particularly given that his mother and sister still resided in iraq without apparent problem and that there was a fundamental change in country conditions in iraq and he hasn't disputed that for giving us i'm going to take a look at a specific article that stated that iraqis who are christians with in the northern region of iraq don't have a if you've got a witness who proles a story but he keeps changing it from trying to on every view on these inconsistences appointed out to him he doesn't have a convincing explanation such as how he  for thirty days after he got the notice in mexico but the next day they presented himself to the border authorities he couldn't explain those and he'd fly to explain them but in a way that it seems to me the immigration judge could get to that finding i first of all after overturn the i j a ruling on credibility and i have to overturn the i j a ruling on the past persecution and then that point i have suggested there is past persecution and the as a presumption to future persecution in the country there after the government has to come forward as thurber and then come forward and present some change in country conditions particular to this particular individual who then we would get to the humanitarian asylum but if i find that he is credible that he thereafter has suffered past persecution the government has to come forward he doesn't have to prove future persecution again the government has to come to the party and say commissions have changed that's correct anecdotally you're not going to be seeing many more of these cases and these cases after two thousand and five and these for ten years and the judges are no longer denying christians asylum whether they're credible or not well unless that was done before saddam hussein's regime but it's interesting to know that current country conditions do show that more than half the christian population has fled the country is that sh six and based upon those two papers the judges are finding that all christians have a wealth and if you're a future person is there any way for you to bring this to be a pensioner of the agency yes of course through motion through open but we have not done that because of the