board members and posted on the website as well as an explanation of the changes and so how we would proceed with this meeting is now called the particular policy and if anyone wants to discuss any of the proposed changes or a new proposed changes we can do that and if there is no discussion from the board members or the power just assume that everyone agrees with the currently don't have a policy like this in the district and after discussing it with the right with the administration proposal is to not recommend this particular does any you know what i mean if in fact we're talking about port authority i have no problem with not being proposed but all i'm saying if you know what all i'm saying is if we're asked to vote on all these other things that we have no information on other than what we see on a piece of paper did not have my residence that does not have a policy governing class so i would look at it as a positive if you did i understand if there is maximum numbers in the teachers contracts but that's really to govern the work environment of our staff who are also i know in the investment interest of our students but what is in writing to actually govern how we decide class size and while the board does not determine class size i had an issue with that language as well you do in a factor prove it when you look at the number of teachers her grade and determine how many class how many students there are per class on an average class size so what is there in writing to govern how that process is time to ensure that we are getting the optimal class sizes for the best education for student minimum class size consideration of the the budget the funds that are available it's cetera because what if a new superintendent starts next year who has a very different philosophy who thinks you know doctors at  your budget is increased say by three million dollars one year and you are in a position where you can live with a policy because you don't have the money because then you are not allowed to ra strange have a policy or somewhere in writing wherever it is i don't know what it said administrative regulations i'm hearing something in writing that would say what our philosophy our objectives our goals or considerations are for determining class size the only time i see you in a bind when you consider the budget is if you put a number on it and say we can't have class size above twenty five and then you have a huge pension increase and then you're stuck so i'm not i understand you can say twenty under twenty five but i just i have never seen anything in writing about what the philosophy or the objectives are and i just think that would be beneficial because we have a teacher requirement in the contract for a maximum class size i think that does  give the indication that you know there is a philosophy whether we are whether you agree with that number or not that this is the way that you know i was just trying to look for that i don't i have another contract here i don't have the teacher contract with me it's it's in my office and it's in there i believe it's twenty nine twenty eight maybe thirty but there is a number i thought if i'm not mistaken because we will cause a budget reasons right encountered so i would i would just like to see something in writing about is available to the public and again i understand the consider the concerns around putting a magic number on it because there's a lot to be concerned into it and sure that as changes in the  can come and go it at the principal level or at the office level that there is some kind of guidelines in writing about what we consider what we value as a district i mean i think that there's i would also point out that the language here states the board reserves the right this is a reserve power the board has it does not mean it needs to enact it it just has its own knowledge meant of a power that exists and this is actually good language to have it this way because it doesn't require the board to act but it gives the board permission to act if it sees fit so it's actually good plan well i have some knowledge on religion and i can tell you i don't know of any religious conviction of any specific faith system that would give any kind of defense for why child wouldn't be assessed and so i actually agree with maybe i just want to know and we might not be able to give the answer tonight and i'm ok with that personally but i want to example because unless the state says that this is mandatory language again i stood on my hands i'm sure somewhere along the line you i can't conceive of any religious reason why but if the state is saying it the state's been wrong in the past and so i guess we have to leave it there oh yes you know i get what you're telling us we can't change it but can you give us can you  know you might claim that it's religious exemption but i don't think you have any grounds religiously that's another topic vaccinations stuff like that just you know but there is no definitive answer on religious beliefs because there are so many other such a wide range right now i would ask if you're voting on anything with assessments that it be tabled right now we currently have issues going on with the keystone biology exams that at the state level they are not mandatory  and at local control we have made them mandatory they're revision the chapter for revision that has come into effect september two thousand and thirteen after thirteen years of in and out meetings everything else i've found that it's not working not just me but other parents with their remediation after the children had been told that they it didn't it wasn't a requirement now it's a graduation requirement this year we have five kids so far because parents come for kids and it all happened that open house that we were presented or we presented a meeting we were directed to go to  principal mrs pavlik in the vice principal and collectively we have come to a conclusion we were in the wrong meeting so this is an ongoing thing that that we because the local the local control says yes it's a requirement and the state like i said after thirteen years is come up with it's really not it's not required i believe in the chapter for keystone biology change the class it's just up until december class they did change it not try they they changed it so they had a month of a certain way and then now they're starting on a new way but like i said our questions weren't answered we had five parents come into play this go and forgive me for not knowing all the lingo about you know the children's creativity their academics their self worth we ok according to this day they are supposed to take the exam as many times as they want and these kids are becoming eligible also the seniors ok they when they were first presented with the keystone biology exam they were hundred thirty four pages long ok so it was so within it it talks about it being consistent with that the teaching there were mediation being consistent and right now there is no project basis essman develop are talking about that with a religious belief that they opted out there's no project basement assessment developed at the state level so so we are trying to stay ahead of the game and as the princip school told us we're trying to parallel with other districts which i think we should try to jump ahead of them and you know and maybe maybe change up a little bit because back to consistency out of these at this point and just to give you just a flavor of what's going on at least so far that the remediation that they were given in their junior year was not consistent with it and the english  i just want you to know there's a but there's a huge issue here and we're it's the no child left behind if that's where it all started in two thousand and one we've got five and we've got five parents so far saying you know what they're th the crops they're left behind like they are they're cute now they're there are not getting proficiency they're kewpie a is being affected because they're getting a grade and for this end they need to go to compile a meeting in a letter and like you said it's moving into june we would like it and if i need everybody to sign you know an e mail we would like it suspended at this point as a graduation requirement let's move on and so like i said it's but this is this is a serious issue especially when you've got kids that you know and it's an throughout so actually covering this is great number four on page two is clear homework from up to sign is a form of punishment my concern is how do you determine that as having a high school student i can tell you that it can be seen that way whether it's intended that way or not and i think that the gray area is going to be how to determine whether it's being used as a form of punishment unless and i have heard i'm not saying this is happened this year but i have heard in instances in the past where teachers have made comments of you know this is going to be a science and  think you're you know going to give us homework and it's not necessary disciplinary but it certainly is i'll teach you a lesson you know kind of attitude and i believe that's the same thing as disciplinary should not be peer homework should not be punitive that's the point in any way whatsoever and maybe that needs to have it noted in this policy i'm just saying even a reference of this letter oh for referencing for disciplinary ok and any other recommendation this film with me was on page three where it talks about the second paragraph on page three where the i would know well i can tell you i had or an immigrant student here one year ago from kenya actually mr fischer had him as a student at p v and as a part of the immigration process they do not have to have a shot record and he did not have a shot record when he came home he's been in this country long enough now they have a family physician there you know relocated but at the time when he attended p v he did not have and i don't think i could be wrong but i don't think you can require she says there's not many say we should do it i disagree with her overnight we've had this discussion already other the last year regarding what constitutes responsibility board i certainly believe the school children are involved to boards so this means that a teacher decides i'd like to take group of students to germany and it has nothing to do with the school they're going to solicit our students will probably have this and again i would hate to do the laborious work of adding a policy or language to a policy that just sits on a piece of paper i know in fact today that in the last two weeks there's been a solicitation by a teacher to students about such a project or trip and again how would it be enforced i get the premise under which you're trying to promote this and i applaud it but i think it's just adding a nother layer of of  interest as to whether they'd even be interested in a potential service project in such a way i do not think that it's inappropriate to ask that question this actually happened i'm told outside the school district i mean i took a group of students that was related to the school at all but at some level i had to ask the students would you be interested in going on the service project to south africa and do a habitat for humanity build project i mean i don't see that at all and why would you go through all the work of getting that trip approved if you don't know that you have a number of young people who are interested in the project so this is what i'm saying that there's a slippery slope there's a slippery slope here that's going to constitute that the administration's going to have to make this judgement call whether this policy is being violated and i just think we have to be very careful here because while i think that there's nothing wrong with asking a student are they interested i do think it's wrong to do your life your position to to go forward so i'm just concerned that we're putting language in here that's going to be once again policy on paper that's never going to be actually in force i get that that's the that's why i use myself as an illustration because i'm not a part of this policy it's just the point that i could certainly see if i was a teacher in the district and i was still planning the project that i previously spoke about i would want to gauge overall interest in the project before i go through all the work of submitting for approval and i just think it makes sense i mean if i have a classroom of world geography and i'm going to take it i'm planning on doing this anyways but i want to see how many students would possibly be interested in this according to what you have written meet ok so you're saying it still doesn't look right then i think right they should not be allowed to get out the policy the only reason they have the ability and you know when they have the continue to repeat this we are putting policies in place that require administrators to make decisions on whether or not the policy is being violated or not violated and i think this language you're proposing while makes sense according to your position puts the administrators in a position of becoming judge and jury on behavior that you know i'm one interpretation could be in the senate gallery of information but i certainly would respect somebody else saying that's not that's soliciting participation so i m i do not like previous policies that put us in a position where our administrators are constantly taking time to decide rightness or wrongness or appearance or violation of policy based on a clause that is i crazy and i just point out that now i'm accepting of this the board as a token but again let me just point out where this could be a problem where the administration if you're a teacher in this district and you have students of your own children in the district and you get a catalog that we the contact information of all of the students in the district and all the families in the district it would not be a violation of policy the context because if you were a teacher you get that same catalog if your students were here so i just i want to just point out that there is i can think of a number of instances where this is going to have to have interpretation of that here it's the policy or violation of a policy and i just want to be on record to state that anything along this line is going to be interpretable and i can think of a number of ways in which one could twist this language to support their position because if i was a teacher and i had that student handbook i mean the catalogue of families and i have a child in the district that would be my same catalog that i would get if i wasn't a teacher and i have access to all of those families to solicit whatever i desire when they would have to mail out that i understand i'm just pointing out why he does that will be the final determination as t page three i would just point out and read on the bottom international trip shall be reviewed for determination of risk but this reserves the right to cancel a trip upon determination of risk i realized it further states united states department advisers shall be major determining factor and i get that there's a warning i get that what i'm not comfortable with is the carte blanche that the district can cancel the trip and have a provision in there i mean if these kids work toward something and they have it all planned out and then all the son somebody gets a  personal bend against that there's a provision here this provision provides under the auspices of you know whatever the board determines as a risk it's very broad is all i'm saying and i think maybe you'd be more precise to articulate something along the lines of the terminations of any potential physical risk because that would then go along with the united states department and any advisories that they give because they don't just put those out there unless there is eight eight eight physical harm like with the current ebola crisis and in west africa i can think of a time i travel to kenya when they had a risk which did it was because of physical violence during the elections about three years ago i just don't want us to have the potential of canceling the trip just because the winds blew a different way that that time of year i'm fully supported by if we get notification you want me to answer right and this right because that's exactly what you're pointing out in the next sentence united states department because those advisories are always connected to the physical well being of those traveling whether health related or war time or whatever for these kind of events everyone who is the hypothetical coach for that representing the faculty or the ninth grade what have to by state law step through this because a part of this is awareness for potential signs of concussion  the number one cause of death in athletes in the country right now is sudden cardiac arrest so i mean this is this is a two hour training that you have to go through annually might i add if you're a coach and i and in the training is it specifically articulated these three levels and two is actually referring to in the cases where a health care professional licensed or a psychologist license you would be dealing with a licensed physical trainer physical exercise but i completely agree with you it also articulated those other instances where cardiac arrest can be brought on and it doesn't have to be even in the training it doesn't have to be with strenuous activity it can be with emotional stress or you know  stress period anxiety at a test so while it's not a part of this policy you're one hundred percent correct it's something for thought to maybe add to it because as much as i don't want everybody got to go through the training there are some good things in there that talk about the warning signs and for somebody who's not educated in the physical warning signs it's good to know certain things shortness of breath is a precursor to a cardiac arrest you know i mean so these are the kind of things that they talk about getting a study well yeah in fact they say in the test at a quick study gives you an order of what you should do number one call nine one one number two find a local lady number three start r so it certainly is a connected directly to eighty training without a doubt however if you're does be and director is not versed on the warning signs of potential cardiac arrest they're not going to know that if students just complaining about their you know say well well well well well you know for the recording please let me pick up so i'm not misquoted or that the e mails don't pour in the point is it should be happening simultaneously there assumption that there is more than one person present one person goes and looks for the a v by the other person starts but the order of if it's only one person you should go start with c p r first very important the reason they said that is because the a t m machine will diagnose cardiac arrest if you do not know whether the person is in cardiac arrest but has passed out yes they did say get the eighty first because the a t m machine as you well know w identify what what the issue is and if you need to start c p r and i just went to the training about a month ago and listened to that whole thing so i want to be clear the reason why they said they the first is so that it can diagnose if there is a cardiac arrest or not because a non trained physician would not be able just look at a person and determine whether it was a cardiac arrest and kartik arrest does not necessarily mean that they're going stop breathing if it leads towards it but it doesn't necessarily mean that they will not be breathing and they're not in cardiac arrest they could be in cardiac arrest and still be played college sports i can tell you that you don't do that without learning enough to be able to coach number two what i would also say is i think that the clause under number two no parent or legal guardian can coach his or her own child at the middle school i think that should just be moved up and it should read into the first paragraph sentence to in any capacity at the middle school or the highest a secondary level i don't think we should separate the difference between middle school and high school having different roles where the high school you have exemptions  middle school you have no exemptions i just think it makes for consistency and the third thing i would say is and irrespective of the fact that i'm a board member here and i coach i think that if we're giving professional employees a quote unquote pass to be able to coach their own children i don't know why anyone else who is serving in the district would not get that same pass whether you're a teacher or not a teacher shouldn't make a difference if you're also a school board member per se or some other capacity on any other border committee let's say because if we're saying that teachers can that's there because it's in the contract that's there because teachers are the first line of solicitation for coaches and i just think that if we're saying teachers have an exemption what makes what what's the difference between say a board member like myself having that same exemption having served to the district  and well yes i know you cannot be a paid coach that's what i'm talking about all i'm saying is we're saying that teachers who are paid and who are paid by the district have an exemption here in number one as being able to coach their own children and all i'm saying is there's other like a board member of the district who could volunteer such as myself who i think that same that same waiver should be afforded to somebody else who is serving the district in some capacity that's all i'm saying i mean if we're just automatically saying teachers get to coach their own children because they're teachers why would that not stand also not just for the board and for the public i had three years service so i mean i fall within this policy but but the reality is i think that that it should also articulate others besides teachers who goes are parents and by the way i'll also say that if you have people who are coaching who have a college experience and whatnot in that sport you know i do think there might be something in the future consider that parents should volunteer for should coach before their kids get years at the college level in the sport in which their coach i mean the evidence they are being that they're not just coaching because they want to coach because your child is in the sport they have experience and i'm a shit thank you i'm assuming anything above two years of high school so if you if you if you play the purpose for a professional to me that's hands down even more so than two years of college and yes i agree thank