we should bring this committee meeting back to order presidential from five fifty seven to five forty apartment six twenty two six dollars commercial six eighty three two six sixty industrial seven zero seven from set to seventy eight to seventy five see commercial residential for forty six two four thirty five which is on them bruce we show be bringing in a questions if not just move on we made some general adjustments as you can see under current charges solid waste so if you aren't net estimated revenue from this areas one twenty six three eighty one four thirty nine which is the reduction from the mirrors one hundred thirty eight forty three for four or five we left change accommodations alone everything else we did make a judgment in license and permits and others there was a restoration of twenty one since we did any corporate debt after your decision on the rates and fees section review where we increased for the plate license plate sales the rate went from five to five seventy five so we made that everything adjustment intergovernmental when we reduced the waste water reclamation project stage one eight twelve point five million whereby we can you rephrase estimate is thirty four million tool five eight different transfers to meet again adjustments after the sort of occasion of the solid waste budget we reduce also to operations in there we made a restoration we would use the transfers to the gulf fund we had to increase for the transfer of c n d which for demolition land feel due to the reports from the department so this area has gone from forty eight two five zero zero zero we have a reduction of projects of fifty five point nine million we started one point four five we reduce equipment for public works but one and we've put back one point five to seven million for those two requests there for a new bond lapse bond estimated revenues and i went twenty five million seven hundred seventy two thirty six to thirty eight opposable we had the chair had originally reduced by thirteen five sixty four one six zero million dollars the committee restored thirty four million three hundred fifty one three eighty two any questions in the revenue side not  number is what the committee is currently recommending for council action so office of the county clerk after the revisions we had one point six four four one one zero additional proviso where by now the council's service is that recommendation is five point four seven three seven five nine million dollars any questions down to the county auditor program made one adjustment no restoration auditor is now at one point one five zero fullface zero million dollars questions  there was no change in civil defense so just to be consistent in how i'm going down let's see their net appropriation is five forty one zero nine one  included also is an additional twenty five thousand dollars as a grant to american red cross any questions under department of cooperation council we made th beat to social security retirement health let's see what else we did i mean the serial line one eighty two you will see the request for a kept improving reserve fund for the county sewer replacement and related improvements that i had proposed to you and i thank you for having that consideration so at this time after adjustments the net appropriation for this new capital reserve fund would be started at one point eight six eight million five sixty seven dollars and by first reading that your intends to have the enabling bills for  also for the council to consider it so if this moves and enabling that's goes we'll be able to implement a lot faster than that under wastewater operations you see the position are we reduced salary for the division assistant division chief in response to departments communication positions for equipment operator and i we also have added a proviso that one hundred twenty six thousand dollars should be to continue curbside recycling private project for the existing seven thousand nine hundred fifty customers insult we also have a proviso regarding community work day for west of our recycling events there for this section then you appropriation numbers for him point five five zero four one four million positions this one we have agreed to for the grants manager is provided in comments by the independent auditor but the committee is recommending that this be located in the office of the mayor under the croaked budget program page fifteen we made a reduction for the supplemental transfer to the gulf  six three four two eight dollars ph fifteen supplemental transfer to the solid waste management fine you made the adjustments and then we made a had to make adjustments to increase due to the reduction of put the revenue that was originally told to us regarding the change in status of the c n d landfill and the restoration additional factors so they you see that has changed next page of those adjustments due to the certification number that was given by fray nance on line three forty seven once more we did make a slight adjustment regarding overhead that's that's the changes to the department of finance in this area and he questions this is our look at the budget try to balance the rates for the cash see what was in certain accounts or programs that we have reviewed and this is my recommendation to you how to approach the cash in adjustments or by we can keep the rates  within what the chair feels is a reasonable recommendation to you this morning any questions in finance under fire and public safety this is what we went through the equipment training the new number is one point two five five ninety eight million dollars fire rescue we lead it three expansion produced positions adjusted premium pay we re stored money for the standard days ation project that they want to do regarding the place then don't you also see that one any questions other than that we went through with the good due diligence that grants requests in this program area and those committee recommend reflects after going through each project and having the members give their comments we did add a proviso on page twenty plain for and we gave them and i just did consideration of peach twenty one after our discussion the committee is also recommending a match for any one hundred thousand of matching funds but take you to page twenty four so then the same program area you see the narrative description just explained what we did special olympics and it will mean helping women there is also a proviso line five seventy one additional expansion amount of ten thousand dollars show before c down to page twenty eight we have a proviso on line six six so again brings clarity regarding project graduation and the provi as proposal reads provided that no more than five thousand three hundred shall be in each school would that apply and that fifty percent of each school's grant show subsidise graduates participation based on economic need so this will go to be able to for all our high schools in the county there's also a proviso lane six seven seven six seven eight  revision so we still move that forward at one point eight seven to six to five million under control no changes to their ministry to area department of management h thirty put back the money for the office of the mayor regarding the economic or the energy position so you see the adjustments  operations so the net appropriation for a fee in department of management is one million seventy one five for eight dollars those changes to g i s any questions office of the mayor mr baez and his employees and where we are also going to park the grid management position the energy czar that is if they don't have the person they want at this time and the committee also recommended a three percent for salary adjustments so economic development general problem is one point two zero three four and ninety eight million dollars and it grants we have one for agriculture promotion we gave it a slight increase and we have three provisos one is for fifteen thousand school garden network one for for the most pharmacy and to have the ability to do a contract for service to get the grant writing component so i hope this is for me you know we will be seeing this requests ad one point two million dollars online one to zero members regarding cookie frog eradication parks and recreation reduction to work lane quite explain sixty one as we said earlier when we went through fire we're getting close to making the transfer  planning and development program we meet some adjustments in the n b a accounts we added a proviso two hundred thousand for the wallace park master plan operations for it for professional services and regarding the county needs assessment for those only code we put back fifty percent or seventy five thousand toward this future  project we also added language in this area regarding the kahana b issue that was presented to the committee for consideration and the provi is twenty seven million eight seven seven one seventy eight dollars there is no restoration to the revisions made for technical support services program questions for police thank you for prosecuting attorney there was no changes in the administration requests we made an adjustment in general prosecution program that requests that we took about for the  thank you very much so that's prosecuting attorney let's move to public works program we just had a slight reduction in operations and i or his appropriate personnel we made adjustments in the amas for program for special maintenance this is great thinking out of the box on how to adjust be no transfer and we should keep the positions as it is you can see it's a delete transfer and restoration process we did not support the expansion position for it labor supervisor and and that's it highway administration i we find we made some adjustments reduction two thousand one hundred seventy six premium  oh also overhead on page forty seven line eleven forty six we had and a little more have through reduced from the bond fund from this program area the brush cutter skid steer equipment a back room street sweeper the main fifty j loader front end will loader and the brush cutter and department of transportation any questions on the department of water supply under and ministration  seven point five zero three six one six  area right now it is under the heading of reserve fund for the country water system expansion and related improvements or the committee's recommendation is for five million dollars to straight of overhead which are reduction goodness and then under water operations water fun we re stored the premium pay we gave some partial restoration to the operations and then we restored their equipment requests in this program area so that's a net of thirty one million eight  nine fave lane one so total operating appropriations members are in number is five hundred nineteen million six seventy six eight three zero zero dollars three four million dollar adjustment and we have resort eight point six zero five million dollars any questions public four hundred thirty five thousand place another place in the budget that has the exact opposite to balance so eight hundred thousand dollars wyo buy back to the bond fund this project from high we find one million dollars to the lapse that's been fun component so that's why you see this project  the lower main street resurfacing project fourteen fifty four you will see a proviso that is being recommended for ten thousand dollars for in the ok this is serious mistake was meant for installation of a street light at the intersection of rock fall and a project on this assessment and it is thing we hired you for and for this year there can i road safety improvements requests of five hundred thousand in one fund government facilities you will see the end of two projects whether the committee is recommending one community center three hundred seven thousand by a core  jim acquisition one point two two zero million dollars deleted the base at this time and on page sixty three by department requests we are also removing the two million dollar improvements who are on the moral civic complex dollars we've adjusted and had deferred for this year the additional forty million for the site might come in the park by members we all know we've already put in sixteen plus million dollars into this s district resurfacing program since we had that big county wide part of the six million plus if we move from the highway fund to this program area five hundred fifty three six the best we follow was twelve thousand dollars to add to the six million dollar pot so it's a if i heard correctly in our to all put our trust in him and that he knows how to deal with that six plus million dollars in the best priority and again members just as for ten months back and will be making adjustments  to this part so be subject to federal funds so i thought we had taken a boat we had started to mr chair it's a coach it started to then mr obama says well let's wait and see if he can move it yeah yeah so thank you for asking that question mr coach  meant see we reduced he's already brought up the public works equipment and the main one is lane sixteen fifty five we had it to fire rescue for eight hundred thousand am by the department of police we did the adjustments for the public safety radio replace few dollars remaining in your fund you know i had a really good question about why i didn't have parked assessment right and i have to answer that too yeah they weren't around when we fifteen million dollars that would go on line one seven eight zero seven million we have resort twelve point five million dollars for the line a waste water reclamation facility system that is now at two point four two five three one seven million dollars made some restoration for the net appropriation is two point five million dollars for the projects as discussed with the comm our recommendation as a committee has gone from the mayor's one hundred sixty six million seven three zero three for one dollars we have reduced that to one hundred and one million zero forty six six three zero dollars therefore appropriations operating and kept the improvement projects from the original proposal that we received at six ninety nine one three six three eight million dollars the committee's recommendations are now at six hundred twenty seven two three four six zero million dollars any questions on the consensus on setting aside the three hundred thousand for the improvements should the agreement be reached with the landowners so this would ensure  that agreement would be solidified and we could get the improvements necessary on a street but i see it it's not there so i just wanted to make a reminder to you mr chanda staff to make sure is that what i'm looking at and one question because for some reason i'm trying to get my scribble scrabble notes and i come up with the figure five thirty six zero nine one there  management one three zero six seven five for animal enforcement which is from wayne six eighty three down the net  to any particular location in west maui and we also moved the lifeguard services from the department of fire and public safety to the department of parks and recreation ok thank you members any questions for this appendix for the chair of the staff chair mr coach on behalf of the planning department i want to thank you for removing the lifeguards from their p w what i would like to run through in next with you is the rates and fees adjustments minutes those mate and their public transit figures i have proposed to you a low income fair component for the month  general boarding is for the monthly pass is sixty dollars for all routes i am recommending that we have a low income fair  it's going to be some subsidy but it will be half of regular monthly fair so at the low income ferries thirty dollars for all routes and this is the approach i am  khamenei for you to think about applicants for the looking comb for show be required to register annually with the department of transportation or an entity designated by the partment of transportation to lists of people who are already qualified under the income category so this is my consideration for you after hearing that this is something folks would like to see if possible and so it's my proposal to you which is fifty percent less misplaced thank you very much chair i want to thank you for this consideration i think it's a good way to go and we can try it and if it turns out the way we hope that's great and if it turns out that when you know other things crop up that we have been talking to us taken into consideration you know that we change something there's something that crops up but i think this takes care of a lot of the things we thought about and i like the term low income because it's broader if you say it when a disabled or elderly or whatever it doesn't it's not that inclusive and there are too many exceptions so i am i like your idea and i think this is wonderful it to ask the committees i guess indulgence for the department of transportation and some leeway interpret what low income means ask that because it's not clear in here so i'm sure there is some type of federal standard that the partment of transportation can adhere to but just i wanted the committee to be on the same page i guess is what we're we would advise the department thank you thank you well we know it's going to meet the legal just one more thing about the low income thing we all know that hawaii is very unusual in terms of what he's doing come and what is and so we might and you know i'm sure our legal department will look into it but we've got to look at what the place is here on usual federal income guidelines a very interesting compared to ours it's thank you for that reminder here anything else in this area if not this is what the church is proposing on the second make the appropriate adjustment or retain what we have heard your directions yesterday and so we calculated if there was a  currently and in here want to source just mission and storage fund and we face five man into the capital improvement reserve fund for water with the increase is how the numbers would change basically nothing to your capital reserve fund but would increase your water stories transmission storage fund so my thing is this is what you need to make the adjustments on water storage and you see the proposal if we seen the current rates if we don't then the rates as proposed already in the original piece is what the rates will be so you can see the difference in the storage as for ages and recommended that we do small increases annually so sure and this is what it would be and this is where i are in my understanding of your directions is where you would be place and i'm just showing you the difference if we fifty and then in blue you have a nine hundred fifty and that's crossed out so in essence the way i read it the rate is now zero if you want to get it right yes i don't know i mean if we're going to vote on which is why they were initially presented to the committee with the red bracketing and the blue the blue tex saw to mark up the rams hearing you know we would strike out the blue and also as mr koch in the case strike out the red brackets so the red numbers would reflect what is being proposed by the chair and also is the same numbers for f y fifteen r things thank you thank you mr white and just to be clear that the one million for four or five different is based on both the water usage rates and the monthly meter charges both options so i just need to be given the guidance and we'll make the appropriate final adjustments so we can do motions mr couch well thank you chair and the committee knows my position but i just want to reiterate it is that i think we should go along with the director's plan so that when it comes time to to actually find the big projects we will have the funds ready to go so as opposed share mr coach's thoughts you know no one wants to raise anything certainly not us because we know that every time whether it's opinion or five cents we are in trouble but i am more concerned about the water situation and i don't want people to say we couldn't do it because we didn't have money and so i think if we are clear to the public about why this is necessary and what we're going to do with the money and we produce the projects that we collect the money for i think everybody's ok you know when i've had people say to me over and over and over if you want to since more for gas tax fine but fix my road you know people want to connect  collection to a project to a benefit and so i think it's our responsibility and i will share that that you know we monitor carefully because if we're going to increase rates then we have to produce i think  not raising rates this year is that as i've stated before last year's rate went completely to cover the additional overhead charge it's my feeling that the overhead charge needs to have a very serious look and if we were to reduce the overhead charge by twenty five percent it would equate to exactly this rate increase so i'm in favor  of looking at overhead charge and how we can justify that or looking at charging in general fund for for the fire hydrant servicing as is done on co op but as i've shared with you all over the last couple of weeks our over in charge is huge compared to the other counties so i have a very difficult time saying to our rate payers we have to increase your rate in order to cover an exorbitant and exorbitant overhead charge and i'm  keep increasing rates just to get past that because it's now at six million dollars per year and i just i can't feel comfortable raising the rates when we have an overhead charge that is well there's no overhead charge plus the water department gets paid one point nine million dollars so the difference between our water our overhead is approximately  seven point nine million dollars different from what you and i i just can't see raising rates until we work that out as that's a lot of money in that overhead charge that could be used for the and we've been fortunate here in mali county yes we have a challenge in a country and that's where a lot of focus has to be made yes i agree however the rest of the county has been in pretty good shape but i'll look look up many of our subdivisions are hitting fifty sixty years of age what happens we're going to have problems if we don't have the money to avoid the green mr white i want to know more about his overhead in every it is excessive mr white i would be the first to jump on that wagon and say put it back and we're not going to give you any more so but i still concur a little reading crease each year prevents us from big increases like we did in the ninety's five straight years no increases and since then we've been double digit almost every year we let it slide for five years and now we're trying to play catch up i don't want that catch up to for the people that are going to read about this you know we're talking about weight and people have a lot of interest and we talked about raising rates i think it's really important to everyone but understand what we're talking about it would help i think if the public understood what are we talking about when we talk about the overhead not everybody and of to us it's second nature but i think the public not everybody knows what we're talking about what are we paying six million dollars for thank you there's a a fee on page forty of the grams here version of three dollars and fifty cents per hydrant and two dollars per standby that is paid in the fire administration program has a budget of around two hundred eighty thousand so one of the things to know just i'm very happy to discuss the overhead rates in your committee in the future the reason why the increase in last year was so significant was because no rate so you know there are some differences and it would be happy to discuss those in your committee in the future you know the overhead study is a study and it provides recommendations which we provide through to the council for adoption and it's know up to the council to set you know that policy if those costs that are incurred because of the activities of the department are paid for or not  so that's really it up to the purview of the council i can see where you know it's interesting when we're discussing something like this for their colleagues we talk about overhead all of us know what we're talking about when i was trying to get somebody  supply there was no oversight by the county council so that's an additional cost right mayors office services risk management those kind of financial services you know even though they have some physical in the department and in the water department they're still process the contracts in the department of finance and payroll you know those kind of things so there there is processing cost in finance so that's why this this determination study was done and if you look at the pond water supply actually pays the least percentage and overhead of all of the special fund so thank you very much and thank you i think that helps a lot as we discuss this thank you do you think you most of us miss cochran thank you chair and thank you director so is this also where the money's get reimbursed or transferred back to other departments like public works who help assist fire with their heavy equipment they assist parks water and so on is this kind of where that money gets transferred over from other departments or no those are other appropriations that are in the budget for those specific items and they're they're either appropriations so you see in the department of environmental management solid waste division for use of the public works  was division people is about one hundred i think one hundred thousand dollars appropriation or something in there for that transfer and then the grant service is there's it's a reimbursement so for the actual expenditures they get reimbursed from those departments  so that's not included in the overhead study ok so we've put in kind of a pot for them to take from when these arise because sometimes these are emergency cases this isn't a on the calendar we are going to  be so and so department for such a you know job things it is so right now you know we understand in those costs and we also have a general budget provision that allows for the transfer should emergency come up  f you vote no means you want the increase and that we're going to need to meet that just meant any questions no means increase yes  input from the department of water regarding that just missed on the shortage shortage areas too so yes means that is no means increase members i need a recommendation with the water department is to put into the budget the blue numbers that they have recommended those blue numbers that you see under that half print half script partment yes as it relates to the rates but it's based on increases that i was proposing a no rate increase so this is why they increase yeah ok ok so any further questions members who have consensus on accepting the department of waters recommendations on storage rates as budget and your budget only and have imitation is descriptions and other things that the charter allows the council to in enacting a budget by ordinance so anything other than  the rate increases on fees as proposed by the mayor so you see going from eighteen to twenty two and nine to eleven on the bottom of the page under new hitting you see fees curbside recycling pilot program in the proposed language is vaal existing and they highlight the word existing participants show pay an additional six dollars per account per month when recycling curbside recycling services are provided and if you know what it's is the or it is shall be this is not an option dollars per month per account is there any question clarification's coach thank you the only minor concern i might have is that  if somebody on the route decides they don't want to do it they don't become a participant so i'm i'm not sure if that would my understanding was everyone on the route so i guess currently no one is participating at all but my understanding was when it was going on as the pilot program everyone on the route was a participant whether or not whether or not they wanted to do it or not right that was my understanding ok i just want to make sure ok thank you for that one thing i wanted to see in the chair was requested so under thirty six i don't have this in front of you apologize for being handed out now thank you course for students eighteen years and younger for that for you folks consideration thank you check any questions on this new addition which is  propose that i'm going to share with you that i have reduced the tipping fees increase instead of the mayor's eighty dollars per tonne ham asking them to pay more but i have reduced  is about you know every dollar is more or less i would say that maybe about close to one hundred thousand dollars every day he said troops or so this is about a four hundred thousand dollar adjustment in revenues dollars instead of eighty dollars and i think this is a fair increase to ask our people that good this wrote in sort of a proposing it to you that i think it's still very you very much thank you for that support is there anything else on rates in fees or staff bias mr chair just wanted to confirm yesterday we walk through your hand out with the proposed changes  and wasn't clear whether we had gotten consensus on all the changes or not and i know particularly members victory and i had asked to revisit the alarm systems to address the residential rate firm false alarm responses  to make those type but discretionary calls it will report back during the next review and then upon that feedback the committee will make its appropriate adjustments that is my understands what we're trying to accomplish i thank you thank you anything else mr leno that was it from the rates and fees anything else mr coach i think mr molina asked if we had consensus on all the other stuff and i certainly most proposal so is there any request to make additional adjustments on the rates and fees mister page forty nine it's the system development be we we just kind of glossed over that and moved on and didn't get consensus or whatever on that and you know it was mentioned yesterday or the day before or whatever i think it was yesterday that you know we didn't want the rates to skyrocket overnight the only problem is that they actually dropped overnight tremendous amount last year way off the chairs not the chairs plan but the director's plan i'm just cautioning everybody that if we don't if we don't start putting these rates where they belong then we're just going to as mr vick you know said it's just going to be a really big catch up at the end so i know maybe we can go half half the distance between you and that in the mayor's proposal but to leave them the same is just i think it's kicking the can down the road and i don't think we want to do that thank you thank you any other comments thank you terry i support your position for two reasons number one only twenty eight water meters were handed out last year and so it's not a it's not going to generate a big amount of money  right off the bat i would be supportive of mr couch as position if we had gotten the response from the department on our request for a comparison between the rates in other counties and and maybe we'll get that by first reading but at this point i just i don't feel comfortable increasing a rate that looks to me like it's already higher than the other three counties thank you very much other thoughts cochran is this in reference also there will be changes in your car permit fees ok o still strong on that but my members feel differently and that's fine you know and we'll work it as it as it comes there work it out as it comes t you very much chair i am pretty much in the same situation that mr vick to reno is in you know i really was hoping that if we could kind of start inching up the rates because it's some point we're going to have new and i'd rather do it by pennies  dollars in the case of the meters i think that we still are not clear as to how we're going to do with that meter situation we have a lot of talking yet to do in whatever resources committee i do know that at some point you know you have to have the money to do this and we have to figure out is it i think again we're back to fill us if we do we feel that the individual owner should bear the cost of that or is it something that the department and everybody should look at what a broader everybody sharing in the cost of providing meters and i don't think we're there so for the mean for the short time i'm ok thank you misplace or anyone else members who have consensus intensely thank you very much and have a thank you for being up it's very meaty topic that we need every detailed discussion so thank you members anything else in rates in fees members or anything else you would like to bring up under reach in fees appendix b discovered i guess this is where the cora permit fees  were guards to this and i understand it doesn't i need to be raised but i think that jump is is extremely drastic at this time and no one's really aware of what we're doing and unfortunately that's the lack of participation in our community efforts with a split i think if thousand would be a good number to start with and just see what type of comeback and and things will be getting and how it affects  wait and see what are the repercussions of our raising of such a fee on the the businesses out there currently because as stated you have three activities off when beach that's that be you know charge per activity or one single activity at three beaches again that's three different charges so that adds up i mean nine thousand dollars if you're doing three so anyways that's just my  recommendation to sort of yeah raise but not to that extreme limit at this point so you know i appreciate your efforts to want to recoup things that we feel is fair i mean in the sense that they're profiting off our county public resources and they need to pay pay for it so that's just my thoughts at this time so i really don't want to i can't support th  i do i do like it but if you talk to in the small guy that's going to hurt him right now i'm guessing that this is a temporary kind of fix until we get through the mr guzman's committee because as i think of as you mentioned or somebody mentioned sometimes they have a person who didn't fee in mother and other programs charge residents being pushed out of commercial operations from their park their beach so before you got uglier it was getting nasty then we implemented a green table yellow table so to praise activities such as that ok so we create i'm creating the enabling legislation including pouring rights and other opportunities for financing parks and re ok very good i appreciate that you're still you know going to continue the discussion on this and a very supportive of seen the outcome but like the idea that learned that he has already put forth and seems in works quite well i as i can  one hundred hundred percent comfortable with fifteen and you but i can you know i mean that's what this is about here and i'm ok with that but you know i think bottom line is enforcement  i don't care what is up or down on this fee currently your it's lacking bottom line with you and so to go ahead and try and think we're going to weed out the good from the bad or what have you people are  going to try and you know work the system and unless we get the eyes and ears on you know on the ground on the beaches and what have you and foreseen you know it's going to continue so you know i appreciate you looking cochran's concerns but i just want to remind everyone that the purpose of this fee was to provide funding one of the purposes of this provide funding for the enforcement and i believe it's only covering some around a quarter of the enforcement costs and probably not even that much but the other reason i'm comfortable with your proposal is that the amount that i charge a contractor that is operating on our beach and you know they've got a four hundred square foot building that is part of the deal but we're asking to go from six hundred dollars to three thousand and the equivalent on on my property is one hundred and twelve thousand dollars a year so this is this is a really small amount of money in the overall scope of things the other thing that i think this will do and i think mr goodman is aware of this and i believe some of the rest of are aware of it is that many of the core permits have been bought up from the initial licensees or permit tease so basically we have a situation where the current holders of those permits and there they may be multiple you know they're all are multiples of those permits are inaccessible to anyone else who wants to get into the business and that's not the purpose for which it was intended it was supposed to control but open access to you know people who want to provide additional activities to visitors and residents so i if this increase in this increase indicating who the vendors are and mr white is correct there is a situation where the permits are kept and there are a lot of vendors that have various categories and what they would do some point would almost assigning these categories to the smaller guys and so there is subtype of smaller guy there but we don't know who they are because they're assigning these categories and so i don't know how to go about correcting them but we do know we did calculations they are making quite a bit of money for these permits in comparison to what we charge and i just text my my staff to bring that that file at home might that this is something that it's going to be quite an extensive review and i've held off putting it in my committee on the agenda because at the request from the parks department they wanted to clear up their permeating process altogether through ordinance and i believe that's right now being reviewed  they've cleaned up their overall permit but yeah it's a huge issue and we definitely are losing a lot of revenue umbrellas beach umbrellas but the people who have the the big permit and then under their company heading they have many different activities under it so you know jet ski fifteen hundred dollars charge i think but i don't know if that needs to be determined in committee to really those details out right now but the key thing is what is the definition of activity because ordinance on how the money goes to what purpose so you know there's multiple ways to address it but the way we've structured it in this appendix it's for activity the fees per activity  five hundred the chair recommended three thousand and there is a proposal currently on the floor at fifteen hundred dollars is to coach the what i at twelve if i'm fine with that mr said then members can chime in if they support and i guess mr white yeah i won't support the proposal because i i feel that if we have  permit holders who are subletting their permits we have no idea how much they're subletting for and i just you know i find it a little bit concerning that we've got the same kind of situation  they don't give up their i think they'll sell a boat that goes with that and so a permit that they have gotten at no charge they can then sell for about four to five i don't know at this for five hundred thousand dollars this is like fifteen years ago so i don't know what the rate is now but that's not the purpose for which we make these permits so maybe we need to do a comprehensive this other bars keep it at five hundred it's a carol terror take a break and then we'll come back and finish up the provisos and then we'll show you a new appendix c which is exhibit for all the a b c accounts so you want one hour or one hour fifteen three sixty two and here we included in line with a b c accounts to put a dollar amount towards the salaries under the plan review revolving fund ok thank you it's number again two categories that are making everybody else to go to a b c so we appropriate the staff is making those recommended adjustments is there any question twenty three sixty three affirm the committee of the next area so the next at a similar type at is on twenty three sixty seven for the environmental protection sustainability program keith thank you for a thank you mr leno our next area please thank you mr chair age ninety four at the top of the page twenty three seventy nine and twenty three eighty six similarly here for the salaries and operations disbursement for premium pay is limited to six thousand but it doesn't say how much is or oh so you're saying so four thousand is operations and there's no equipment please line twenty three ninety one or excuse me twenty three ninety two and twenty three and ninety three provisos under animal management revolving fun presented in a consistent manner mr molina next i believe we had consensus on all the open space items that's correct so the next revision would be  and then that also twenty four forty three you see the line that was inserted to deal with the alarm system revolving  have a concern and and department of planning we had the request for an office operations assistant and we all know that in that department we have challenges with zoning and enforcement  division with the t v r s and s t r licensing and foresman issues and there are a lot of a lot of those types of issues and and it just struck me that we've provided a secretary or assistant to the department of fire and public safety and i'm not asking for a change in and not making fiscal change but you know as we sit here as you know and as you know i'm not in favor of adding positions but this is simply a situation where i feel there's maybe a little bit of an imbalance because  it's and i'm happy to hear others feelings but i think that there's certainly more of a demand for this kind of help in the planning department i would i would propose for the committees consideration that we move both the e p a and the twenty eight thousand for fifty six to the department of planning to take care of their needs  and maybe wait until next year to take care of the fire chief kean mister white is proposing to do a lateral planning program along with the correspondence and funding and if i can just add one one more thing so i think one of the one of the reasons for the request was  the deputy fire chief is the only person that doesn't have the only deputy position that doesn't have a secretarial or assistant position and i don't believe there's one in department of personnel services for their deputy director and i don't believe mr walker the deputy finance director has a secretary either and then there may be others that i'm not aware of but i just put that up for the committees you think miss chair and i would support actually both being in there but if i had to choose between one then i would think i would go with the planning because of the enforcement issues that we need to really one is the newer of their requests because i know the fire has requested at least two other budgets that have been out for that position and when did planning requests their position this time members denied similar to how the fire department's one was but from my recollection the fire department one has been asked for every other i've been here they've asked for that position thank you for that mr smith but i don't have you for the questions thank you risk of the look i just wanted to say that we have a secretary and we have three hundred something for the assistant chief of staff to have lots of people work that if i recall chief on scene that that's why he's this is hummable he's come back for our colleagues will take into focus it aeration as to some of the major cuts we've had on the fire department and public safety and perhaps this will help to meet the needs that they have at least for the reporting part for the administration ok thank you no one else at th overloaded with tasks in fact i'm beginning to wonder if i mean they become so very and we have all these things that we want them to do and we keep signing more and more things for them to monitor and watch an approv people apply and they have to make visits and do all these things but they have a lot of work going on i don't know if it's if it's kind of hard to compare to the fire chief and his operation because i kind of heard something else i remember having him say that he and his deputy were doing a lot of people were because they don't have help and i don't know if that's a good use of that kind of executive doing paperwork so it's very hard to make a choice because both of them are doing very important work so it's a really tough i mean it's half half a dozen of one in six of the other it's a tough choice  relieve the planning staff from doing clerical work they spend a lot of time processing letters and things like that which you know could be done by a clerk instead of the actual planners themselves i'm looking right now as we're speaking through for the department's request if see if there's any more items in that budget justification but y that was from my recollection their request and this is in addition to another clerical or secretary that is doing a job right now are those various duties  more substantive due to the position descriptions additional clerical support would allow them to spend all of their time reviewing building plans conducting investigations processing various permit applications and reviews and responding to public  information and they're anticipate that complaints and requests for service especially for short term mental homes will be handled more expeditiously building plan examiners will be able to complete their initial reviews and within the chord thirty days so efficient thank you mr c is it possible to do part time for both a part time for the fire department in a part time for the planning committee can provide a half to the fire department and a half u p to the planning department that's a possible solution having one person do both jobs i think would be problematic but having a half p for each i think is something that could be possible maybe because it has both departments whether they want to half e p or they want to wait for the next year and get there for e p a and whichever one they agree on we can administration has the secretary one and that's it and that's it mr white the last thing i would say is my recollection is and his testimony mr wright his presentation mr spence mentioned that this person would be dealing with the clerical tasks of about twenty people i don't know if i'm remembering the number correctly but thank you thank you you know the questions members  ok just distributing this and maybe if we can discuss it on the fifteenth but this is an amendment to section sixteen and the budget description of budget instructions under encumber and incumbent funds and it would be a an addition to that section that states for any contract for services within the category of use be operations or services section seven having a term exceeding one year no funds may be encumbered for more than the actual amount appropriate and used  anticipated in good faith to be used in that fiscal year and i'm not asking for a vote on this today but because i think it is going to require a little bit more discussion so that everyone understands the impact but if you wouldn't mind adding this to your list of items for consideration on the fifteenth i would appreciate it sure we can do so the new language you want us to consider at the at the you know the purpose of this is ada when we when we went through solid waste we came across the concern that a lot of money is being extracted from the current fiscal year by contracting for two to three years and so the money has to be drawn out of this fiscal year and committed to future years and so this change and or this add and wording would simply say we don't want you as much as possible to commit to funds out of future years and that should help us make comment currently there are charter provisions talking about service contracts over multiple terms and there is a section in the statutes which does touch on multi t contracts and typically for these multi ton contracts the contracts usually for one year that's the amount per income i don't know the specifics of the solid waste contracts mr white speaking about i'm just speaking generally in what my understanding of the holy is a ministry to rules pertaining to procurement state and the funds are for the first year of the mall type term contract and the second and third or fourth or fifth harmony years it is those subsequent years are subject to appropriation by the council but the practice is by the county to encumber the entire amount if it's except in service contracts they don't play that encumber beyond a year but there are right examples of contracts that have been covered for a longer period of time and the i don't want to get that's why i wanted to least requiring the payment of funds from appropriations of more than one year one fiscal year shall be approved by ordinance so if that's the case the energy contract requires payments over  you know over more than one year a couple of the contracts that were entered into by solid waste made required payments over multiple years so should those not have been approved by the that the contracts must be approved by ordinance and if you look at one of the at least one of the contracts that was entered into by solid waste it's it clearly would have required action by this council because they did a six hundred forty thousand dollar contract on a two hundred thousand dollar line item so that what was appropriated by us was two hundred thousand and what was expended was six hundred forty so i think it clearly says something's something's got to come back to us so they which are i don't want to i know you need to wrap this up but i'd like this to be open for there are some additional opportunities but for this committee and today we need to be finished in forty minutes i need to get his documents the preproduction two clerks by four p m to  program areas so from the top beginning office of the county clerk you see the proposal from the mayor the council's revision and then the net appropriations by  restriction isn't on the ground he is just on the housing and human concerns right b b c ok thank you i just wondered clarify that yes yes yes we are not trying to make it more difficult for those that we don't need to impact at all thank so that will be included anything else yet at this time he will be receiving from the staff and a list of referrals so run that by you right now that's part of for the budget and finance committee for both be furloughs to be set one matter relating to the reporting of unpermitted building improvements to matter really into penalties for violations of home exemption requirements three relating to the county's investment policy and four relating to tax classifications for transit accommodations to our economic to agricultural inspectors and three relating to a whole golf course rates and revenues to our housing human services and transportation committee we have three recommendations for referrals one relating to an audit of subsidies for public transit services provided by the department of transportation to and audit on the department of transportation's federal reporting requirements and three relating to community partnership grants to our infrastructure and environmental management committee we have two items one relating to greenwa services in two relating to the why all the road extension project to our planning committee two items for consideration why no he's relating to seawall construction and number two relating to feast for after the fact permits to our policy and intergovernmental affairs committee we have four items one relating to records management and electronic documents relating to a performance audit of the council office of council services three relating to an audit of the department of fire  public safety and for relating to the office of the mayor's public information office and standards for media asthe events issued therefrom and finally to our water resources committee t items for consideration one relating to watershed protection grants and two relating to electronic billing statements that is the recommendations for referrals  so sure my my thought is i wanted little more in depth somehow measurable tangible thing in regards to my visitors bureau one and number two  other entity is the my county farm bureau because i'm seeing more and more of another entity willingness to grow and a lot more participation in the community in its goals and visions so i'm just wanting to get clear concise reasoning why and the amount of funding that goes to one or the other and somehow i mean can it be combined or can you know there's something happening here and it needs to be i committee so you know you could send something to mr victory no i would also ask you first you may want to send a letter to the business research library operation ask them if they have comments on what information to use to analyze and put into the annual always county data that a book and you may have the information already accessible in that documents to make a assessment at least and if not then at least know what you should be asking for that's not available but either db it has additional stats or business research labor a should have stats office of economic development my suggestion and then we can you can be happy you know give you some suggestions you might want to consider and if you want to take it to the next step or your discussions with mr reno would his committee or the chair know after her initial review of both of those items she can send me a letter and will refer to the proper committee so i shouldn't need to feel like she got to put it together today because we can certainly  consensus on the referrals recommendations ok thank you anything else before we move to motions is there anything else i may have i county gentlemen we thank you for your service members i'm going to mr yes mr coach i know we talked about but i didn't mark down that we got consensus on the bike tour that is if we move cora from one hundred to three thousand at least five hundred for that and i'm open to more thank you you heard mister comments on why he would like us to consider five hundred dollars is there any other questions or comments regarding mr coaches requests requests to go from two fifty which is what i had recommended and supported and the new number that is being proposed is double five hundred dollars is there consensus we don't have consensus thank you so we will make that final adjustment and that was and remains understand we don't need to take a recess to make any additional adjustments regarding that decision so thank you with the motions ok members so at this time i'm recommending passage of the following bills will first reading number one a proposed bill entitled a bill for an ordinance authorizing the mayor of the county of mali to enter into intergovernmental agreements for loans from the state of her body's water pollution control revolving fund for the purpose of this proposed bill is to allow the mayor to enter into an intergovernmental agreement to finance the following number sixteen pump station rehabilitation and force main replacements the funds  exceed five million five hundred thousand dollars hawaiian homes for smain replacement funds not to exceed two million eight hundred thousand dollars waste water reclamation facility seven million dollars the proposed bill will be revised to reduce the funding for he and number sixteen rehabilitation air force mainly placement with funds not to exceed four point four million dollars hoeing homes force mainly placement with funds not to exceed two point two four zero million dollars and to delete the project for a kind of poly resort are one water distribution an ordinance authorizing the mayor of the county of maui to enter into an intergovernmental agreement for a loan from the state of pa vice drinking water treatment revolving loan fun for the water treatment white and victory no other purpose of this proposed bill members is to authorize the mayor to enter into an agreement to finance the water treatment replacement facility replacement projects which funds not to exceed fifteen million dollars any further discussion mr victory no real quickly i know you mentioned me and i understand that is the community aggregate principal amount of general obligation bonds of the county of my way for the purpose of providing funds to pay all or a part of the cost of appropriations for public improvements and for the county of my improvement projects also members the proposed bill will be revised to incorporate the changes recommended by the committee including the change in the mind of general obligation bonds in the paddle and text of the bill any further discussion embers having not all the fair the motion please say i i will say no motion passes when i mean members voting i think you next and open to a motion as regards to a proposed bill entitled a bill for an ordinance determining that part of the proceeds of general public a sham bonds of the county of mali for issued is in excess of the amounts required for the purpose for which such bonds were initially issued are may or should not be applied to those purposes and directing such proceeds to other public improvements or authorized purposes of the county of is open to a motion for a proposed bill entitled a bill for an ordinance relating to the capital program for the fiscal year ending june thirtieth two thousand and sixteen the purpose of the proposed bill is to set forth the capital program for fiscal year two thousand and sixteen through two thousand and twenty one incorporated within the proposed bill is our appendix a dash one a report entitled county o we kept out of improvement projects report as of december thirty first two thousand and fourteen which lists all pending kept out of improvement projects and appropriations except for waterfront projects as of december thirty first two thousand and fourteen appendix a dash a report entitled county of maui statement of appropriations and expenditures keppel improvement program right district fiscal year ending six thirty twenty fifteen as of twelve thirty first's two thousand and fourteen which include spending waterfront kept what improvements projects and appropriations as of december thirty first two thousand and fourteen and appendix b which is the proposed capital program for fiscal year two thousand and sixteen through two thousand when he won the proposed bill to incorporate the changes recommended by the committee including updating appendixes to the most recent reporting period is there further discussion on the motion operating budget for the county of maui for the fiscal year july first two thousand and fifteen to june thirtieth two thousand and sixteen so moved he think you mean a motion made by mr white victorino the purpose of the proposed bill is to approximate estimated revenues for the operating and kept little improvement budget incorporated within the proposed bill are appendix a which list grant revenues and special purpose revenues appendix b which is a schedule of fees rates assessment and taxes and attachment b deaths one which lists the counties concessions leases and licenses by department of the proposed bill is being revised to incorporate the changes recommended by the committee including updated general budget provisions and updated dashed one and likely a new appendix c consisting of the breakdown of a b and c accounts which was distributed to you at today's meeting and he's based on information the staff the flexibility in how best to incorporate the break if justin sorry needed in the budget deal thank you very much for that  for the a b c and the a b c i think is is big enough that we need to have the discussion with the departments first and you know unfortunately it's all lumped into one big chunk and but i think it is it is big enough mr chair that i can't support the budget at this time thank you have entertained emotion that would be recommending filing the following county communications but the motion would be so that we could file county communication fifteen deaths forty one from council chair mike white relating to the matter of the no thank you motion passes with nine i chair mr white without objection it would be important that we give the staff to be able to make technical and non substantive changes on all the else we need for the members this afternoon any questions from the members if not the chair just wants to thank you very much for your dedication i know it was a different budget review session about