probably get started let me assure counsel that we have read the briefs in each of the cases and are familiar with the cases so please do not use up your time giving us the facts of the case we are conversant with that the facts and go directly to pressing on us the legal issues that you would like us to to attend to to the extent that anybody may be unfamiliar  lighting system when the yellow bike goes on you are beginning to consume your rebuttal time and when the red light goes on your time has expired very well let's start with number zero five one two nine question asking for the weight of each bearing and the response is and i think i won't read the whole thing but the the effective summarized version of the response as i read it is we don't use weight exclusively and in calculating are determined pretty expensive and therefore that number those numbers will not be provided now congress was not asking the question that you answered it seems to me commerce is saying give us wait numbers and you gave a different answer you said we don't really want to give you that or we're not going to give you that because we don't use it inexpensive that strikes me as not just off the cuff it strikes me  not doing your best to answer the question you might have said in response there's no way we can give you any of those although the fact is some of the bearings at least seem to have weights in the in the catalogs but we don't know by the time we get beat to the end of that answer exactly what you do have by way of weights we just know that you don't think it's relevant and they in fact should be asking for some differences in the in the responses you've mentioned the catalogs or at least the you say the catwalks were provided before but a different argument was made with respect to the catalog review yes converses position or the company's position with their safety information provided and so forth in some of the upcoming reviews or is this are we basically having similar cases into the next given the difficulty of providing this way to information as has commerce why has congress decided to press on and continue to request that information them and allocation inherently is a little bit arbitrary because you are acknowledging that you can't you can't report the actual expense so you're taking a big purple shipment of things it doesn't necessarily have a different price per unit than it would if it were based upon something like weight which is much more obviously tied to the cost of the the freight and i think it's important to note that if  that the respondent demonstrate to the secretary satisfaction that the allocation is based on as specific a basis as possible and in tandem for any evidence on the record as to why the price was a reasonable way to go costs incurred but that in the absence of any explanation from n t n as to why why sales value sales price is an appropriate surrogate their response is incomplete there's absolutely and you're not insisting on weight that you would accept any other surrogate if a reasonable explanation was forthcoming in the reasonable artwork maybe the price of the gemstone or the price of the artwork would be a factor in what you get charged for freight but these are cheap commodity products that get shipped all the time what are you not going to charge what is your standard procedure particular issue has done the best because really the best that they could and i understand that language along the line is this the regulatory people presumably is there's an element of reasonableness i would think in that i mean sure you could use the entire profit margin of the company to to create nothing but responsive to commerce but i don't think that it will you tell me i mean is it is there income or conceivably but it would be inordinately burdensome to do that is that an answer that commerce will accept and as constituting best effort on the part of the respondent if congress is persuaded that in question i guess is and what i don't see in commerce is response in their response to the arguments in their statement of the position is a an acknowledgment of the fact that when one pleads  needed here that that there just isn't an easy way to to accumulate certain records there doesn't seem to be in again an express acknowledgment on the part of commerce that well if it really is terribly burdensome to do this we will cut you some slack in the vernacular they they seem to be saying you could do it and therefore you've failed to to satisfy the standard is that in fact the standard th they're not able to provide the information and it was only after congress provided that opportunity and received what they could what they perceived to be incomplete responses if they take an alternative position