whether that should weigh in the balance or not is something that could affect a court's thinking and in our view congress has mandated that the school districts position as a public entity a school district should not i think also just looking temperature just momentarily i think standards refused to peer in a general kind of global way we do have to consider the fact that this was an extraordinarily complicated case both on the by people with similar experience in the same community the difficulty that there are people in the same community who are doing this kind of work and as a practical matter that mental ramon's had to go outside the community to find somebody exactly what happened with that but yes thoughts would have been helpful i think the thing we have that's most helpful is nicole meissner because although she was working for the government agency initially when she left she did go into what are you doing now what are your current rates schools legal service a government agency do you know of anyone else in the area practicing for special education while none of those were privilege and so in that case what they did is they looked at the lodestar and they also found that prior to looking at the low star in the court could withdraw hours if those hours were redundant unnecessary or excessive and so the court in that case did limit the hourly rate of the attorney due to that turns experience and also reduced the hours because some of the hours were redundant excessive and unnecessary and that's what we have here so when they looked at double billing which is what mr berlin is alleging they were looking at the multiplier effect used on top of the fact that they had reduced their hourly things because he ended up exactly i think like six hundred hours yes however i don't think he took it solely from that location i think he looked at everything and he was delineating an extensive get things he also noted that the amount of post administrative hearing time for the brief was approximately one hundred fifty five hours which was after litigation was over after the hearing was over and that time was used to write a fee whether it was a contingent fee she only took one hundred dollars or he got the amount of deduction that he came i don't think he articulated where he took it from i agree with you he didn't articulate where he took it from he looked at the whole process we have clues we know what he was and that there are two in my brief there are two occasions when on two separate day she charged forty hours at one time in twenty six hours on a single day and that not until i raised that issue did they respond saying that that was a group of work in that they and the magistrate judge did ask that she clarify why what the basis for over those subject categories was and that never happened never occurred even though the both the magistrate judge and the delineation it is the fear applicants burden to produce the evidence in this case and the fact that we had a magistrate judge originally that all they had were declarations from ventura county attorneys just from looking at records i didn't hate in one of my declarations mr huffman charged one hundred ten dollars an hour at the time that she was represents and this happened was available in terms of why she had a go at side of the area that which from this court it's just scratch an area to go outside but certainly it's not necessary to go outside of the forum and the forum community is defined by that case as being the forum where the district court sits even if this court to look  believe has been a lawyer for approximately twenty years she has classes on special education and is a psychologist and this coming to an i believe it least ten years of experience possibly more i am personally aware that there are many attorneys in los angeles market that have years of experience in this area of law comparable to miss coach or in in the two to three year area but it's their burden to introduce that evidence to show if that would be appropriate but again three hundred ninety dollars an hour for an attorney you can ask her in her nightgown you know she asked for two hundred twenty five and she'd only been attorney for two and a half years and six of which were mediated and three which went to decision but she didn't allege when the timing of those and when this case was completed and when i did my research i couldn't find any of those other two cases that show that they went to decision and there was no supplemental information in the record to support those two other cases i think i did through my declaration objection probably isn't the right word but i did disagree what her fees were at that point in time because she was schools legal service and current high school district and also i believe they looked at my private rates with a law firm not just me being with a nonprofit entity i was with a private law firm in fresno representing kern county l a and fresno county at that point in time charging one hundred seventy five dollars an hour and i believe they use that with mr muir to come up with the number of five hundred fifty dollars an hour i see that my time is up you very much thank you