trust account and we see a hundred thousand of them in one hundred thousand go out we never seen accumulation of one point three million dollars where he says well we were we were convinced to this money transaction number two so conspiracy when it's far after long after the contracts it's long after the money is already out of massive trust account it's there is no conversion that we can s winning had no contractual relationship as a predicate for any kind of conspiracy for her and that's part of it now this person however can without a contractual relationship still be based on being part of capacity to commit the underlying forth and in this instance he is not involved in the representation for the fraud he's not involved in any of the conversion there's no tracing any of the money to  was the money to be released now mr williams never never knew what was going on between dr winning and hamilton and math on that weekend where that money was whisked out of the trust account and sent to england to english barrister named barry phillips never knew that at all and i think it's been stated by the plaintiff's attorney that that was never known to him and it's almost like the barn door is open in the horse gets away there's very little that ever could have councillors represented and believe me after thirty five days of trial here everybody i mean it turned into almost an evidentiary food fight if you'll pardon the expression i've never seen a federal judge more tolerant of what went on in terms of it was called stand by letters of credit to fund phony investment programs overseas using the trading of mid term bank to ventures it was shown for in the ground floor of this dating back to ninety five in fact the evidence as i've indicated in the records the supplemental record shows that he was involved in a worldly corporation investment that was  august for nine hundred ninety six which appears that young supplemental record with a fourth and i'm not going to read it i've cited in the brief but to say that a transaction was coming down on the twenty sixth of the transaction return five times their fund this would give them an incentive for being haitians we were fortunate to look taking the one point three three five million and then it was your mark for another transaction but was given to us because of my relationship with scott hamilton and knowing it would help me out of my present financial condition you don't have to go much further than the two pages of admissions in his very own statement to show that he was very very much more involved in this than simply someone who was asked to give some help to find money on the twenty sixth of july when he as far as i'm concerned was the was a mastermind in the program and his relationships with these defendants go back as to williams well yes that virtually everything in this case except participate in the actual loss of the money somewhere often in london investors forget about that one point three three five worth in this particular instance but earlier in ninety five and in ninety four williams is out there hustling people with the same m o funds are being lost put  attorneys trust accounts shipped out and disappearing and never a trace so he has the clearest in my view rico exposure of any of them because he has such a track everything is fine after the investment has been made failing to disclose the fact that they switched from the initial investment to a three day turnaround where the money was going to double or triple and continually telling these investors everything's fine don't worry he's keeping a lid on his role at this point it's to make sure that by the time the investors wake up this the money trail will be so cold that it will never be found and that's what happened in this case so program after winning has a history of raising money having sent it to mr chambers and he says no i don't have any money what do you think that mr hamilton would be interested again or you can ask him and then and then he makes the