lot will this meeting of the infrastructure environmental management committee come to order to it's march first twenty sixth and it's about five after nine a m please that's also phones and any noise making devices on at  appointed director stuart stand a lot welcome gentlemen thank you for being here corp council richelle thompson good morning and from our staff we have legislative analyst scott jones and also legislative analyst steven sealy and committee secretary renae and let me check with their district offices we have someone new out there in hama time are you there on our agenda i am thirty two greenway services and i am one sorry i am eleven parent two which is orientation workshop by the department of environmental management and at this time anyone in the gallery wishing to testify please sign up at the table in the front lobby you will be given three minutes and please stick to agenda item and also state your name in any organization or anyone you may be affiliated with but mr j by ladies thank you very much members and there's no one here willing to testify or in our district offices without objections i shall now close public testimony thank you very much so let's move on then first on the docket ladies thank you i am thirty two greenway services and we have environmental management which this particular item is given to my committee during our budget session of last last year and it was something that we all wanted a little more discussion and a little more light upon this subject matter so that is why it's here separately from your main presentation so department if you have any comments in regards to our greenway service and thank you madam chair i'll start with the landfill currently we have a contract with  to process our greenways our sludge and our federals agrees that contract expires in the end of june of this year it does have options to to extend it with if both parties agree but currently the prices have increased so we would like to go out for a new bid on that contract so we are in the process of working on the r v to get that out for a new bid to for another contractor or new contract or existing contractor due to start in july first with the new rates on the island of malta we currently have a contractor there who basically accept the greenways and then you mulches it and that mulch is available for the public of charge and lanai we do not have any green leaf program and in hono our lives program is that we are collecting greenways commercial green waste the residential green waste long as it's mixing with the trash we're allowed to buy permit operating permit to dispose of that in the landfill as far as commercial greenways that comes in we are allowed to have a certain amount at the landfill i think it's something like seven hundred cubic yards we put them in when a role is to make sure that it's pro past try to reach out to someone locally in the heart of the community to to you know if they wanted green wasted they could then utilize and turn into mulch we certainly would be open to that so those conversations really haven't materialize for anyone in that area but we still accept the green waste and to try and keep the cost are we since we bring in about twenty percent of the our dirt needs from outside of bani area we try to work with that contractor that when he brings in a lot of dirt he can take out some of the excess green lease that we have so the opportunity to provide green weeks locally there we have it if someone there could mulch it into something usable for the community we're open to doing some kind of a grant if we second would you like to come over to the podium man share with us your processes and things over at our non film thank you very much good they still do can all the oil separate the residue still stays with those and they have vessels that they go back and forth to the big island where their main facility is processing facility is me before we offer questions let me just give the official date of our this county communication which was on may twenty sixth two thousand and fifteen from county clerk reporting that on may twenty six twenty fifteen the council referred this matter relating to green re services it was b f c r fifteen fifty three so just to point out the exact communication that was sent to this committee and  to members the floor is open for questions or comments from either eco here mr fonseca or the department and i guess my and maybe mr carroll might want to talk about the greenways over in han how because that was a recurring mask over there so mr miyamoto i know you touched on it and so am i to say that you folks are collecting it but if you had an entity there and that's why the permit that we have with department of health were limited to like seven hundred cubic yards doesn't take as long to be you know to to create compost naturally takes a much longer period as a biological lot more space so we have a contract to come in and we can afford to mulch it and keep it for the the residents who have to give you an idea of the variation of the amount of green waste we receive permit were limited to seventy cubic yards or that could be taken out maybe the excess could be taken out maybe once every two to three weeks at the peak we have a ball three shipments of green waste leaving on a area because there's just so much greenwich coming in that it would push us over that seven to keep yard amount that we can maintain at the landfill so therefore we have to get it out of there so it takes at the peak about three a really very slick now because of the wet season we're probably taking about two to three truckloads per week but then it slowed down for a month and then we only took one load of meat in a month so it varies based and at the center of my landfill and so if we decide to figure out where and how to keep all that in hama so that's less product to you and i guess is that going to be higher in a hardship or put a got hand on the hand ok thank you members any further questions or comments needed of either department or mr anyhow but thank you for being here and your freedom to hang out and listen because obviously we're going to head into the discussion of energy which you're seeing to you'd like to probably know a little more about what's going on but thank you folks for being here to develop in this way is composition of this waste of conversion process the challenge we have at the existing composting facility is that because they're utilizing our sludge a lot of the farmers in our country they don't want to use it because it has sludge it could jeopardize their certification as organic farmers so we don't have them utilizing a lot of unique dot com polls so when the mayor had his budget meeting for this  upcoming proposal in the upcountry year i asked representative from the farm bureau i asked him to help energy to be involved with energy to develop you know what would be the demand for organic composting in the upcountry area because  can be utilized into turning into compost and it's quicker than the current process so we could generate it in a quick turnaround period what happens with the energy in the formula i haven't heard anything from the farmer you do to talk with the energy about it you know getting their membership to give them an idea what would be very demands to help energy to design the system that could accommodate it so we haven't heard anything as far as conversations between energy and he killed those are private conversations that we're not quite privy to but i know and has looked into some kind of a composting product as they do have to get rid of that digest state in some way  it to dry it utilize it somehow like the r d f that's something that they're working on at this point in i guess the upcoming meetings going to be a critical decision point norm how they go forward asks us to participate to help clarify a couple of points that they're considering whether or not energy has proposals fall into certain preferential rate categories and things like that so we're participating but we're not a you believe appreciate god does what affects the other yes probably i don't know exactly how it would play out you know if next area takes over the electric utility i assume that would have an effect on many things including contracts such as this one but as far as the energy a contract contracts that have been proposed to me company the involvement of the county at this point is process yes that that's actually something that the the contractor for the council that the auditor has really challenged us on and so we've been working with a contracted to update the numbers because the original review was done sometime in two thousand and twelve so we've been updating the numbers and trying to get a better handle on it we had some disagreements on the value of the air speed news like that but we'll get into that when the body age  stories hundred feet in hundred feet is your property right i have no understanding or even how we are going to have you there since in other areas that washington d c you know does that already building on the way we've basically we've attacked initially is what is the cost of developing in utilising that airspace so for example at the landfill we had development costs we don't we don't worry about the operating cost because that operational cost we look at the closure costs we look at the maintenance cost of that air space and obviously we look at the volume of air space like you say we have a certain height limitation by permit so we develop that and some of those cost we've that's where the challenge comes with in working with a consultant you would think the numbers would be straightforward and that's what we thought but it's sort of taken out of context and so we're trying to come to an agreement as to how we actually value because if it if the speech was cheap you would imagine there'd be a lot of contract waste management who'd be here you next year speech was cheap to develop they'd be here developing landfills themselves but that's where we disagree with the consultant at this point but we're trying to work out the differences and i'm glad to hear that  of areas of disagreement you still working to friends some reasonable coming grown so thank you for this so at this point in time you feel that the county should continue to move forward with its energy or component as he regards to the current status of various applications where we are at this point in time yes and as you'll see in the second item that ups and we are we're always looking to  you know to make the best use of what we now consider our resource people he's call it trash now we're looking at it as a resource and so is the rest of the nation i mean this week's conversion project actually you know we started in two thousand and twelve we were somewhat the infant then in the day that three we had our naysayers our consultant that we actually use was one of our biggest critics claiming that we didn't know what we're doing now all the sudden he's his company's the expert in doing what we had proposed with energy so we feel we're on the right track the rest of the nation started to fall the same path so we're trying to make a value out of this what people consider trash like you tube and thank you the discussion about our waste i think it's important and i'd like to hear just take or anybody's take on what they think is going to happen if because all along so i think that's something that we need to discuss and in thank you that is definitely a really big question and i believe we all want to answer so i think we're really very new to what the point out that there was an article and about eco and they recorded their million tons of waste so congratulations keep up the good work and it's just the newspaper article that came out in the  news last sunday so i just wanted to have it for you folks in your rec and to read through and it really explains where you're at what you've been doing so again thank you very much for your work members if there's no further discussion in relation priorities and procedures presentations from county administrative agencies and today will have an orientation workshop by the department of environmental management so this time i guess we have you'll be running the show philosophy for our department now where we should be today and what direction that i want to take the department i guess you guys were those you don't know me i took over this position is december sixteenth so i've been doing hard core blue collar working with you guys know what we work with and then the last ten years have been more management decision making and budget and so forth so we're just going to go over a few things organization accomplishments i really wan so because i have been in a wastewater twenty five years these were the two divisions for solid waste and he p n as that had to spend the last seven days really focusing on it and trying to find out what the issues were and it came down as a lot of cover the cost complements by waste water for this past this past year the xining a one million gallon tank for west they're also there in construction for the one that's in key hey we have a man gallon tank operating  second one is being installed this year design an extension of the recycled water distribution along the qana poly parkway also constructing water connections along the existing resorts we have there now constructed recycled water system expansion department was upgrading and replacing the whole sad their system to the new media type filters that's completing key hey they're presently working on the one in the hina and molokai and as of this year on the second set of equipment which department setting my goals and my priorities for the first this is just a summary i'll break each and every one of them down as we continue i just want to let you guys know what i want to cover as holders of the landfills due to manpower when i came on board i noticed there are so many i'm getting all these e mails about par showing closing of land landfills and when i got down to it it was it came down to manpower issues that we had so that i made that a priority of ours opening central landfill on sundays for seven day operation i will break that down for you also maintenance of our landfills and close landfills i noticed that we have a lot of our finds it is been coming from maintenance that we should be doing but it's not possible with which we can build from expanding we have a radio system in a high now we can build on really expanding but we don't have a system in central cali and i want to show you my goals in direction for that turban technology and sludge drying it  waste water facilities this is also taken from a study in two thousand and ten my approach is technology and i'll show you my reasons on that recycling energy as waste to energy project at the cent landfill and the concept of a real big to anaerobic this concept can never see how we're what we're doing on maui as far as our waste water is concerned is we're using energy to burn a burning energy just using energy to burn energy and it's this for me it's just a waste that's a resource that we could be using now so the colors of the landfills due to man power like i said when i came in  noticed it wasn't a priority for i there's a lot of parties i had to switch this was one to me so you know i started in december sixteenth and you see that dates we started filling positions i noticed it was positions that was open and it wasn't like a  huge priority to get these positions filled so we as on january fourth we filled the landfill supervisor on february first first we feel both to land for attendance at the position they moved up to a landfill attendant and the clerk three i'm hoping to move into the directions where soon are you know we get less of this land for closures about hopefully in the near future we eliminate all closing of the landfills ok centrum ali landfill to be open on sundays this is going to be an added option to the budget so i'm asking the council to really take a look at the objectives are proposing to we as a resident for over owning a home for over twenty years i want the landfill to be open on sundays i used to love when i land was open on sundays before i'm one of those i don't have time on saturday but atomically in the yard dash it all in my truck the whole day sunday too i can go monday and i haven't met somebody on maui yet maybe i'm talking there are people have met one person yet that has not told me i would love the landfill to be open on sundays so opening landfills on sundays i looked at different saturdays creating positions not extra positions it is actually a shift if we create these positions that we're using like we have on saturdays open to landfills we'd be adding to the  additional twenty four shifts with those shifts what i want to do is they'll take those shifts and create like a maintenance team but also what these extra shifts would do it would eliminate a lot of the overtime this presently happening eliminate a lot of the work it's an ass but i'll break that down understand i cannot create jobs for each ines but i want to show you guys this and positions the positions if we wanted to get that the direction i want to go with this and i'm asking the council is one landfill working supervisor three landfill equipment operators three land for a tendency one cashier and two mechanics now the the two mechanics was what i asked is pat from past history our department was or had already asked for two mechanics but what i was looking at these positions about here now i understand this is a lot of positions i understand that if i was to without using these positions to say our department i said let's open a landfill this sunday i could do it what we have because i could pay overtime we're looking at overtime we just booked two hundred sixty something thousand to open a landfill on sundays the money is an issue but what is even a bigger issue is half of our staff already opel works at the landfill on saturdays now i can't force them to work overtime so if you ask me i'm like if i work in saturday i work in sunday so the issue is not going to be keeping a landfill open on sundays is going to able going to be having people who actually want to work the landfill on sundays ok now the proposed positions would cost us about just over seven hundred thousand a year if we did these proposed positions now just looking at this yeah it's over half i'm in studio talking about but this is where i look at it i'm looking at the big picture and i talk to what i like i mentioned earlier these fines on being complete compliance creating a maintenance team because if you l don't take care of maintaining our cold landfills and our present and fills we're going to continue to get these fines so if you're looking at what brings me to this landfills and closed landfills we have we have four landfills that are close slopes and trash pops up and we get flagged and we start getting fined so what i want to do is get a maintenance team you could literally get some maintenance team up there every day or every week on taking care of all these  landfills also if you know there's a gas like wanted to we have the gas system there which needs to maintain be checked and we have fence lines around there that needs the perimeter checked i need to be checked these are just they're just so many issues that we we not we it's not that we if we should be doing this we need to be doing these because it's for us to remain in compliance ok so that would be my goal in getting the main the past ten years we've done i've done a whole bunch of interviews not counting the operations side in a in a wastewater but the main in central maine it's the last seven individual we hired as employees three were electricians four were mechanics and they all came from eight cns is simply because they have the experience to expertise the knowledge and they always were in the top three so i'm not saying i'm creating jobs for at cns what i am telling you this is this from my this year now creating eight to ten that's not maybe a big part of all these jobs but eight to ten families who won't be homeless i think is huge so if you guys can all i'm asking is it's an option that can be added to the budget and i ask you the council members to really just really think about adding this into our budget and look at the three objectives and why i want to open a land another direction where we talked about is the passion about this you guys know now i looked when i looked into cali plant right now we spent thousands and thousands fact it's going to be millions when we get this equipment because we have millions of gallons of water could we feed this pond well there's something in the environment to manage and protection agency so we're looking into this now to get a hold of someone there who could verify this because what it said back in two thousand and eleven is it forbidden using treated sewage waste water in an endangered bird happy that i have a ten so what i'm looking at is this is if back then maybe they were just looking at our two but if we get that plant to our one could we revisit this and maybe supply water to cannot so there's i just given you guys is this what we're going to do no this is just my direction of my goals or what i'm looking into right now on certain projects because we don't even have the r one water will take it to a quality going to be really clean water if you guys gone to kandahar if we had a rating called part three or four cannot how would even qualify that's how bad the water is there ok another option i'm looking at and getting the water out  last two months to acquire this pipe because my long term goal is when we have our one why do we need to get out a plan we at least have this option available to us where we have an old abandoned force main that went to the way local pump station so from the wastewater treatment plant at this corner on lower beach road i want to tie in i want to i want to add a pipe here from here go up conny road come down either come all the way from  attach to the existing model you land in pine pipe and this will give us the option of getting there reuse water out of there and all the way to eight c m s land so this is just one of the options i want to show you guys as far as reuse in central  mali the way saudi now this this turban technology and sludge drawing are now again another study and there's so many studies i went back and i found that we spend millions of dollars but a lot of studies but there wasn't as much projects coming from the studies this study for a turban technology was done in two thousand and twelve i believe and it's incredible technology but no project came out of it right now had the department already partment in the next week by next week there's going to be an r just a picture of one of them what is so special about these turbans is they run in any type of fuel so my goal is eventually we're going to have the energy system where we can find renewable energy in a future my goal is to use that fuel to run this turban until we get that fuel my goal is to bridge the gap using fuel like propane but what happens is we can calmly plant would a turban technology  this will be the first closely that will be completely off the grid no more paying my electric fuel for running this was silly but what also comes out of this this technology is this turban creates incredible heat that heat goes through a sludge dryer which drives our sludge presently the cali plant the sludge is dried fourteen percent so you guys realize that the tonnage is very heavy coming out of there and we pay between six and seven hundred thousand mention the long term goal is to just taking that sludge mixing it with dirt and possibly using it for land cover at the landfill so this is this is i'm really excited about this project that's going to be coming up with a purchase agreement now recycling of the solid waste even for energy ok so on this energy a project i just came back from san diego so here's imagine i had to learn a lot of not only the compliance issues but everything the all the projects that was handed to me said there you have from the company energya if you in mind i could bring him up and answer some questions that a consul anyone might have in regards to the energy a project ok you have comments now positions one is a g i s position to do yet we have one g s right now and since he created the one call center where they have to they have to make sure to answer these calls and and let the contractors is the infrastructure for waste water pipes or whatever maybe seventy percent of our present time is is used on this one call center no so what we did is instead of asking for a position we contacted because to see if they could handle you know a one call center or having these calls they wrecked it towards to my ass and at this time they can't they don't have the manpower or not because a lot of all the information is in waste responsibilities that's the position we're asking for you'll see it in this budget second position i'm not asking for a new position i'm actually asking the council on the budget if we can  reinstate the operations manager position this is the position that was taken away last year i noticed position well because i worked for this position this position he was he took care of the operation of the wastewater i took care of the main inside so although we had a lot of our responsibilities were the same we also had a lot of sponsors that was in the same what happened we lost this position i can i can tell you that i was there his responsibility was divvied up to like six different workers and i was one of my what i got was i got the responsibilities of all the work orders with the was sent in from all the facilities all the operations and i would per ties them go through  sure they're all legitimate work orders and i would have to assign them to different trades that were just a small portion of the responsibilities or so it had to be divvied up and not because i got a lot of responsibilities my present job was manus manager i had to you know have my electrical suit mechanical soup take someone to put a responsible use that i was responsible for so this position is not asking for a new position i just asked the council to reinstate these reinstate their operations manager because this is it's key as i can tell you it is important i have this position back in wastewater and a third position has they're asking for the painter again i was the matters so the painter actually worked for me we have one painter in wastewater i'm not talking about a painter we could contract and fact waste water key here right now or contracting a painter they're painting all the buildings and so forth right now what i'm talking about is your every day painter to doing manus as you guys know most of our pump stations are shoreline in fact one of our wheat sort of plants you could literally i started one end of cali plaid corrosion proof paint go to the other end and you'd have to start all over again because they'd be some corrosion coming on paraders every day on daily basis going on our pump stations if there's something a pump a pipe paint chipping off they'll call up they'll send a work order for the painter painter will go down daily b waste water the gravity collection system waste water pumping station waste water pump stations and a waste water treatment plants and also of course our recycled water systems ok so that it's not a problem and what members do you want to ask of questions now and this portion of the presentation or you ready to have energy to come and discuss a little bit point just from the presentation of director stat do we have any guests questions comments that we need for clarification i guess for me number one i didn't see any dollar amounts  you know recycle use in cali i think my big thing about the treatment plant is i always bring up the point b has ten acres they're supposed to set aside for us for one day to move that plant and as we know where it's located as you're stating i mean we have issues and i have always wanted it to go elsewhere and so to think to put in so much more work and create and many into a plant which i am hoping that we would be relocated some time you know i'm just trying to in my head if some of these upgrades can be put towards another plant versus that one in particular i mean we want to be in compliance of course and we want to be online but i think to dumb a the infrastructure that whatever we are we build from this state forward if we ever decide we do move the planet that infrastructure will move with it in fact given the signal that the study we did with using the  as far as moving the plant i do agree the plant the only difference i'd like to revisit that is thinking we could move the plant think get it out of the tsunami zone but we have a lot of shoreline stations that we because i suppose if a tsunami did here it's not really matter having a plant there because you're shoreline pump stations are all gone so there's going to be nothing pumping to the wastewater plant so well to make gold be moving the stations off first on individual projects and then focusing on last on moving the facility ok thank you for that and in regards to that turbine technology and sludge drying that you want to put there that too is something that's movable that can be really yes it is all right and members of the floors open if you have any further comments or discussions for a director i'll start it mr carroll i'll start here and work our way down and this by sir thank you very much chairman first of all i would like to say that i am very impressed with the quality of the stuff we have before us in such a short time thank you very much you know we've been hearing so much recently about qualifications for department directors i think you've got them and you certainly gain them the hard way which is always you know when you start at the bottom in your work your way to the top you know the whole thing so that's that really is wonderful thank you  about the landfill on sunday i have to tell you that i can't think of a person from our country who i've talked to in a meeting or even informally who hasn't brought up this issue of the  sunday being open on sunday a lot of people would be really happy if we could do that it's their day off is that did they can clean the you know known you know the trees and do whatever it is they have to do and it would save i think even though we would spend more money i think we might see in having people dumping stuff all over the place i was just appalled this morning as i came to work to see the king size mattress that had been thrown on the side of the street in marc well i mean you know people are just careless they don't think and because they don't know what to do with it destroyed on the road now whether or not that that would have been done better on a sunday i don't know because you know people that are going to throw stuff through it but i think it would be a big convenience store a community and maybe something that as we go to budget hearings we might want to ask people about it we get in official rea but i can tell you informally everybody that i know talks about how nice it would be to have it open and so i understand you know we're in fiscally tough times but we need to look at what works you know we took a lot of chris criticism recently and it was coming from somebody who you know everybody listens to and that was about the landfill closures and due to staff shortages and i hate to bring that up but could you just say a little bit about it thank you everybody so we're trying to fill the positions the one thing that we try to do so from within so typically at the outer landfill the rule then feels typically we had the supervisor you've given us an equipment operator we have an attendant and we have a laborer so when you give us the operator it give us an opportunity to promote our landfill attendant provided it had a c d o so then when we promoted the landfill attendant now we have a vacancy at  the attended position so now we're still short staffed because we're filling from within and in so when the tender position came vacant with now we try to fill their position from within the labor now is hired for the attendance lee has a better job so now most of these positions that are remaining to be filled are at the bottom in the labor type labor to additions and their labor to list has a lot of them so we're doing interviews sometimes upwards of fifteen fifteen out the kids to fill one position we're going through that process of trying to fill those positions but we've put it is a priority and we're pretty close to being completely staffed in we do expect the the closure sit diminish if not it would be limited thank you i  a good opportunity to have the public hear your side of this because they're always here the other side so good to hear from the department what you're doing and the reasons so thank you very much thank you manager thank you ms bass and that's definitely top question i unfortunately see the little blurbs in the maori news in this landfill clothes that i mean all across our county so let's see that definitely diminish and go away thank you department for monday that didn't go very well is simply and you know i don't know how you can get creative and without having to just constantly fill manpower but sometimes we have to completely out of the box sit on wait union see how you can close other days so hav worked ten hour shifts just to fit it all in at one point i was told that done so you have your skilled person that needs to be there for the businesses you know i would say put a sign out there we're not taking any loads for the saturday sunday for the businesses i make ends meet for my island heavy duty trucks don't come out under saturdays and sundays but the piles up from saturday afternoon other thing is how to how can we how can we get creative working with the union and the employees to see how it can work around so  helpful if we can have two comedy the public as to how how we should be doing on that so thank you thank you for your efforts i think we're going to be able to work  thank your department it's quite exciting to have a director that has a sense of where the department wants to go and how he wants to move forward in achieve it so a couple of things quickly under  u were pretty much required to mention that it was on the slide that this is part of a settlement in resolving all violation that we had i think it was the insulation of the landfill gas system gas collection which insists them and it should generate as much when the system is fully operational and the winds cooperate it should be able to provide one hundred percent of what we need it to landfill we our the office building and we can also use it to power the up parts of the the flaring system so if the wind provide prevailing winds we should be able to power everything for that period of time and that's good news so thank you for that again again director you have ambitious consideration for us is everything that you share with us in this morning's presentation already part of the mirrors for postal or is this all of fido what the mayor is opening positions the other projects that's not in the budget i came into a time when all the decisions for budget had already been completed where we understand  was or a new director and i can appreciate your situation your place and the time in your place during the for the budget requirements so he's stating that you know at the end end of the  fees is is adjusted to help provide the resources to provide you this yes we have we've we've we've done the now bers and we do have that information what we propose any consent decree requirements although some of it most of it but of it can you give us a sense of had a general answer would be that in the five years that i've been here the majority of the fines would have been part of settlement agreements rather than outright fin a compliance standpoint having positions like regarding some take close landfills specifically we have certain duties under our closure plans and those closure plans require manpower  so in addressing the closure plans and avoiding any fines associated with noncompliance i could see that those positions would address fines it's not a straight line way of addressing it but is a flare for burn off so excess gas and whatnot as the we settles and everything we've had expired experienced i won't call called in cave ins but we've experienced some depressions in the surface of that landfill and we've had to address those you know those have been trying we've been trying to contract that out at this point but that is an area that you know it's a potential area we could get fines and that this continue this proactive maintenance could have certainly be a move to try and we just what are we needing to comply with by agreements and that at least that should be separated out at least we know if that is a complaints request that the director and the department whatever is part of something that we need to fulfilled that we've agreed to chair and so that's that's one thing to fulfill the agreement of compliance but i would like to have a sense of the other components that the director has some discretion on how to approach it how to deal with it how to reduce it or other ways to pay for it i would like to give that their record that opportunity to present that information for us near a very good i agree and so staff would it be most appropriate asked budget for this committee so jeffrey we deem appropriate and i'm more than willing to yeah definitely look into that i think it's a key component of all of this you terry consideration and i'm happy it's mostly for kids here i'm happy that the director is open regarding reasonable and logical continue discussions on possible plan relocation it's a big cost item we all understand as anything they would like to share with their members of this committee so that we can consider it yes ok and before that though in regards to our closing landfills are there do you know of examples of our alternative uses for them parks i mean you know we don't want to have a park as center my landfill but i mean although wallow for example but i am hearing you see there are depressions and i guess it's still settling after all these years and it's been decades so but i thought i heard of other parts of our nation that do utilize these old clothes landfills but i don't know maybe there's a difference in how it was created and how they are closed up or something and so do you have any comment mr miyamoto if you looked into this at all and you know utilizing these bases for something solar farms miti to me where people actually play ball on or you know ride their bikes on or something but you know it is one of the things that we had we had looked into  the with the evolution of technology and everything opportunities tend to present themselves for example like in the photovoltaic the previous mentality was always you put in the foundations of it the panels and that but now there's there's opportunities for other things like there could be like a cover it's more pliable than the rigid systems that you see that could then be put over large open areas in that could be utilized to generate  power unfortunate our central ensure that would be a nice opportunity but the utility company would wouldn't want such a small amount of power so would be hard for us to get some kind of a power purchase agreement and since we have the windmills already generating what we need at the landfill we wouldn't be utilizing it so then when we look at the white blue landfill what are the opportunities there one of the things came up like you mentioned about a park and i was looking at a dog park in and how we can try and utilize that big vast open space just to sort of make a public facility so if you've noticed over the past few years we start to clean that landfill up we took all of those water department pipes off we still have some equipment up there that needs to be removed and we're trying to move in that direction where we try to look at some other potential alternatives for that even though we can create the dog park we now create something that we now have to maintain a little bit more stringently than we would something we're going to look at the cost also involved operationally how would that work with the whole the whole project ok well thank you glad to hear that you have discussed it and looked at those options and then last of the gases on is that an issue in any areas of the county that you're aware of or we don't have it at our landfills per se but we've in the past we've had it the private vendor the elia facility had had an the ground fire there and they went through the process of depriving the fire of oxygen begins i think the injected some inherent gas that would hopefully put out that far we do have monitoring wells that are facilities in especially at centrum always insist the large slane fill you know they monitor all the various components in the landfill and try to watch the temperatures is the critical thing if we're going to we're expecting so we haven't had any issues we've had elevated temperatures which we're addressing whether we need to put in more a gas collection system to try and withdraw to the methane that's been building but we haven't had any in here in the county that i'm aware of that the methane you mention is that a resource or a level where it makes sense for us to selected a company that was going to utilize that methane gas to generate some words close to like a megawatt apollo are the challenge they were having was that a liability issue they wanted the county to remain totally liable for the and then their challenge became such a small amount that the utility company didn't want to take it so what we've done is in the yard before the waste conversion for a project we've rolled it in as an asset that could be utilized in the waste conversion facility so it is being something that they can utilize in help maybe power for their all their whatever power they need to operate their facility so it's something that they could utilize you mentioned designing the extensions of recycled water distribution lines along on a pony parkway and so where is that are you looking to submit something during this budget to for all their green and sustainable practices in their landscaping i mean awesome work so i wanted to go and take a look and what are they doing and how are they doing it and you know i mentioned our one and they said there's a difficulty in utilizing because of the salinity as we all know our waters there in line especially and then the type of their landscaping will really take a hit they're going to have to switch or ripping out i mean it's a going to be a huge huge undertaking to and you can't water during you know during the day late around the pool because the people and so i can hear hafiz concerns and the transition is going to be really or onerous on the  facility you know the hotel itself and the people so i'm training no way out i mean as much as we all know mr stan i want to utilize this are one more than the next person and then thinking this is be the best opportunity but then hearing their side of the picture i'm like because they're ready doing a whole new a car this gentleman started that project but now he's at the west in maui in qana poly and he said he knows the difficulties there they're making use but to transition an existing time i understand we have that law in place that states you need you have to use it when you're within you know one hundred fifty feet i believe of a line and now we're going to forces upon these businesses and entities and creating a hardship for them i just you know trying to work this through to make sure that we're not creating again hardship to someone in this community but i know it's a good use of a wasted resource  we have an active program and it looks to plug a lot of these so called holes that actually people are worried that sewage gets all but actually it's groundwater getting into our system that's more what happens rather than we spill wastewater and so we're working on  the quality of that recycled water at this point as far as distribution you know it may change it may have to it may take a change in the mentality because the they could easily go to a drip irrigation system that doesn't really spray the water spraying the water is the easiest way to do it you know it's easy to just spray it can you know just let it go but if you do drip irrigation where you can be more specific and to the point you may actually save money because you may not need as much water because you the water is getting exactly where it needs to towards the root system rather than spraying it all over the leaves and everything else and we're unintended locations so it may take a change in their their mentality on how to utilize this asset ok well very good miss to be a model and director so at this time do we have them any further discussion on the presentation if not members it's past our mid morning break time so do we need to take just a few  if you don't mind mr walsh should be like you can come up to the podium in if you have anything to present to us now is your time your opportunity to bring in thank you for being thank you madam chair and distinguished members of the council in the administration my name is geoff walsh and i'm the business development director for energy and for the civic region which is included the wonderful aloha state mico on the island of them for a potential bio mass i'm sorry a bio gas proposal it is a petition of law that we're presently looking at with them and it's concurrent and parallel with all the ongoing negotiations that we continue to have with me going ico through this hearing the p u c will ultimately decide the next step and the next step being that had discussions and we understand through our attorneys on the wall that for all matters being related to the merger of course there is a decree in place as part of the merger talks the present h e i which is a holding company has to have consent from the from the folks at next era and of course this would be under that one of those guys and of course i'm sure you've read all the different things the last few weeks with other various projects and approvals that has to go through next year is condition of sale so you and your entity that you are representing still feels confident that from a  we've pretty much done a complete study design revise some of the technologies to include additional off takes if you will above and beyond the possibility of executing a few supply sales above and beyond the aggregate amount that we're presently presenting to to mico ok thank you any questions on this portion members applaud the county and the administration for being very forward thinking with this type of technology and this opportunity to move well beyond the the you know the present landfill situation where equal people for oil and slipped their sorry last last july last august assured them that we would continue to have negotiation and talk with them but presently we are focused on the to go to products primarily electricity and or bio gas and or a combination of both of them ok but you will be in dialogue with absolutism hopefully definitely a small but somewhat smaller portion of the overall bio gas but to paralysis and or gas treatment it is also introduced into the digester and ultimately  and that was i guess an issue not an issue but a concern or trying to figure out who would be purchasing this and not then you're just in a landfill in any way so it's like wall about the point was to not have things go back into the landfill and i guess facility anywhere we're sort of the first going to be first of its kind in a sense a combination of different components are utilized all over the world with regards to the anaerobic digestion portion of it everything from green roi ways to agra ace is is very well developed especially in europe most recently we've developed three different projects in southern california they utilizes some of the waste sludge that we refer to earlier in the in the in the in the presentation where we take also way state generated from wastewater facilities and digest it with respect to the front end and the collection we've built all the components and aggregated a bunch of project sense and most recently signed a couple of service contracts one of them with the country of cyprus in the in europe  it is leading edge technology and the some other parts that's been utilized all over the world through our company and just one final part and that it's a vertical integrated company what i mean by that is not only do we develop and design a technology we also manufacture equipment and we have a whole capital sales division that butyl sizes all these different technologies and the sum of these prices put together and we also do  with you on changes in the status regarding this subject please ok very good if you have department that would be greatly appreciated thank you very much and so mr walsh i suppose i thank you for being get some kind of sense of movement as we progress forward you know it will be once again there's a bunch of parlor passes you could probably agree i'm sorry i understand the amount of capital we just had to invest just with respect to development and to at the end of the day to to to live and die with an outcome of the c p u see whether the utility is going to take our gas or not is is this and it's not in our good interest financial privilege intellect property whatever it may be like there is a sense of understanding what is this investment but they expect of a return on this investment and then again at the end of the day what is the cones benefit  committee so what happened to it right you know and that's true too yes thank you for that point and i guess we know what we're doing and how we follow things i'm as crazy as can get but obviously the general public it's quite difficult so yes you're right we should keep it as well as possible so we'll figure out the best avenue for that and to make sure that is clear for every rule everyone to follow and department and our public entities to be in touch with us in need of working together making sure we're ever transparent and open and making keeping everybody involved every step of the way so yes thank you very much and mr walsh thank you for your time in being here with us and also the eco company that does visiting and i guess you can have a seat i suppose unless you want to keep stretching your legs and working so you much for the opportunity ok you're very welcome and i guess i had a quick  wanted to jump back into the power point that you that you shared earlier just happen across my notes again and it's about the recycling center in west maui i know you mentioned that you're going to be looking into cannery mall and discussing with them previously they had plans and i believe little did they know of there in the they had to keep the building historical like a cannery and they're like oh wait a minute we can't do or triple story on a looking building so those plans are scrap so now you want to go and revisit i have to say that they have been so open and i thank them so so much for having a monthly recycle events there at their parking lot and they have been top of my list to figure out so i'm glad you folks are following up to see if we can get a permanent thing happening there and then also because it's industrial zone already for such use but i wanted to just throw out there too i don't know  folks have looked into this but i know carpet land management is in the process of doing selling lands and what have you and around where the smokestack is i noticed they opened up a section which would connect to our street were dry cleaners and subway as in i see the the school buses come in and out of there so i just wasn't sure and in there it looks like a perfect area and is probably zone appropriately also something of that sort so maybe something to look into with new people coming in in that area and i think that's about all i have for you folks members  burning desires to hear the department of yes i just want to commend the department for being open and candid in communicating with this committee on some of the goals they wan greet time in my office i mentioned to director that that's what we would all like to see especially heading into budget being new to the scene like to just kind of you know feel out where you're headed and how that relates to you know what we're thinking also and looking forward to the work and thank you for your wonderful presentation members if there's no further discussion or any more items on the agenda this meeting is