at stadium seven twenty five michael johns veteran agent status of crossroads veterans district seven forty five jack off let roger hill from the d p w director status and repeat as in the common eight o'clock mike davis pledge allegiance to the flag of united states of america and to the republic for which is stands one nation under god indivisible with liberty and justice for all database is finally now online and live it went live on on friday there was an awful lot that went into that was about four years in the making we didn't have a mass appraisal system in the town and so we went through a process to get best of breed products to to value property so we have that and then we had had to scrub all the data because there were data elements that that we had to bring in from property record cards etc so it's quite an exercise and then we had to create the electronic shape file so you could drill down in the map and actually check that out pretty cool it is pretty cool so just a couple of brief items on it it is online you can look up your property online you can see  the assessed value for tax purposes as i think chairman pointed out a few meetings ago you know the valuations are from a year and a half to two years ago for tax purposes but but it's it gives you a three year history as well on assessed value on ownership and sale price each property's valuation characteristics are also listed with the property along with a picture and a diagram of the dimensions so it's a pretty robust offering  year's tax tax rate setting process you know typically december january is also very useful information on the welcome page i would courage everybody to get to read that prior to going into the database  need feature on a you can create about as lists as well this is a way to do that pretty pretty easy pretty intuitive and it's not official of course unless it's certified by the assessor's office and then if you happen at the last thing but probably most importantly is that now that this information is very readily accessible to everybody you know on online we would greatly appreciate you know people to take a look at their property and contact the assessor's office if they have disagreement  characteristics on their property which you know drives their value and the whole goal of the census department is is fair market value valuation of your property for tax purposes great also this weekend's morrow cup saturday and sunday it's very busy around town and the memorial day celebration will be monday and bob's that's gone to nine great start crate starts at nine o'clock fall by ceremony on the corpsman it's always well attended and we like to see all good for that and then i found his days june eighth and the night before june seventh is going to be a two hundred  best hearing notice the board of selectmen acting as the local licensing authority pursuant to mass general laws chapter one forty section one eighty one and section one eighty three a and chapter one thirty six section fo street to review the application sit in submitted by n p s l l c for the two thousand and thirteen university of massachusetts home games these events are proposed for gillette stadium applications for these events is on file at the office of home games in november games start time is either noon or three thirty about fifteen thousand people estimated each own game we only use the one hundred level in the east club tickets are range from ten dollars to fifty dollars parking lot opening time is two hours prior to the event parking is included in the ticket we will not use we're not using part of parkway same as last year and anything over about ten eleven thousand folks in just a baited will park across the street in the p ten line for your money question i just noticed that these games are on saturdays so the patriots games on sundays as you do to group  not sure that right what agreement this is that email that dick elements center on that copy the board the indemnification agreement that we're using right now or at least where you're asking john is it in the package well is that what we're going by this would be left this is in the end if we are going by that agreement shouldn't this motion right for start agreement i think we're still in last year's agreement had prior agreement yeah it does that the applicant shall budget in thirty two thousand thirteen know we've reviewed it and actually most of the discussion talked about future security which we'll be talking about when the patriots application but it was very happy to hear from chief o'leary that he and the director of security at the stadium are already working on an enhanced plan on the new levels main in the homecoming and as the plane is the first game in in september so we hope to get a lot of folks from maine coming down and then the homecoming game in the middle of october right so you know  he'll have his last year that there was a homecoming there's buses and you know alumni which is great just to alert that it's such a lot of activity at patriot place as well as inside stadium o'leary would like to institute could this license and any could this license be conditional on any new security plan not a plan that's in place right now make a motion and i move that the assent of the applicant that the applicants of n p s l l c to hold the two thousand and thirteen university massachusetts regular season six home games at gillette stadium on september seventh and twenty first twenty first and twenty six november second in sixteenth of two thousand and thirteen be approved subject to the following conditions one that the applicant shelled by june thirtieth two thousand and thirteen execute and provide to the town of foxborough and indemnification agreement in the form and substance satisfactory to the approved by this board to that the applicant shall by june thirtieth two thousand and thirteen obtain in place liability insurance for said events ensuring both the applique and the town of foxborough form and in substance satisfactory to and approved by the board and thirdly number three that the physical license for said event shall be retained by the board or its representative and held in escrow pending the applicant's compliance with condition one in condition two above know five and six paragraphs the amount is one thousand nine hundred seventy five dollars move that we renew the appointment to the southeast and mass commuter rail task force for a one year term expiring on june first two thousand and fourteen naming james all over second more i move that we accept their request for a one day beer line license for a stand up comedy show featuring lenny clarke on june first two thousand and thirteen this is a request by bill cunningham of big connie productions incorporated educational institution authorized to grant degrees yes i know what does that mean so that i get it it says and reading it for baby is the applicant a dining hall of an incorporated educational institution board some time ago to look at the sign my lawn you recommend changes to it the master plan which is being done by the plenty of board is focusing on the sign on the town signed by long considering changes to it also considering if you should be a zoning by law versus a general bylaw right now it's a general barno so the sign by law committee feels that until that work is done which will be later this year or early next year they don't want to propose changes and end up potentially proposing something which is contrary to what the master plan proposes so they'd like to be disbanded again they're an ad hoc committee you know i mean they're not meeting and having that for some know what that's going to look like they don't feel appropriate bringing anything forward he questions just a few graduates so that means anybody that's currently on the signed by law review committee they would just feel notified and then if they were going to reorganize ok i move that we accept the disbanding of the signed by law review committee until the implementation of the town's master plan when the committee will be reorganized this was submitted by bill casper of the building commission second more discussion all sixty might even be almost seventy but sixty i'll try and get it i'll be out of town till that morning very early but i'll try my best to get there is anybody on board definitely going to arrange any indian i will get there but we advisement and nothing stood out to me that was going to be conflicting to me but the only suggestion i have is before town meeting usually meet every week to glasgow for years we end up meeting every week and adding it in there anyway so why not just had eighteen more than we were scheduled originally those are kind of sporadic going right and we get overloaded but the one before town meeting we always have you know go is cancel a meeting but one of finding out is people didn't know we had a meeting because it wasn't on the schedule  would you like to start my well did you have some questions out of the gate or do you want to just give you kind of a timeline rundown of where we've come and where we stand now i'm not sure what your intention was when you put me on the schedule pull off a close of the fiscal year we had asked for some temporary help on the evening before mansfield pulled out of the district and were told that there was you know use the money and then in the money in the budgets would be looked was a lot to be gained through robot obstacles to jump over but one thing that i noticed was that was not there was some disagreement when the initial set up of the district and i think that has come back to haunt us in the end and i think i'll come back to that as a lesson you know as well as we move forward if if we ever should enter a discussion of a district again what i mean by some disagreement is to tell managers that at that time where the employers of the v s o namely given pecos you know my direct superior and bill ross who was the direct superior and town manager of me had field of how to set up a district and the state does provide us a way to to do this for talent to collaborate and that is you put the employees into a district structure and then that district structure builds the towns  evan and bill ross felt this is the way to go and and the other two down managers were happier with you keep your employees you pay them you do the upfront cost and then we just pay you later so somewhere along the line the mansfield town manager you know changed so kevin ended up you know kind of being the lone man out with you  know i think want to wind up with exactly what what the state lays out as guidelines as a statute to do this so we go ahead and we start the district are off and running we've got two employees we've got a director  who is a couple years from retirement two years from retirement and was probably put into an uncomfortable position but he made his position known he didn't like the idea of a district didn't want anything to do with that but the mansfield town manager's position was if we're doing the district it's my guy guy so we wanted to with that case i was another i guess problem i saw that came back differently to haunt us we hired a third via so we got up to full staffing we had a little bit of clerical help and then fast forward to november of last year our director took a fall down a flight of stairs  shoulder injury which put him out of commission for five months and i think the way we started with the director and i mention this stuff because it does directly apply to lessons if if you go back to a district in any form whether it's veterans or not the the director at the time you create john hogan this is my office these are my things you don't need access to my computers you don't need  office those sort of things that worked ok until he was out on injury for nearly five months when he came back and retired on the day that he returned you know we weren't any better off and it was a struggle to get keys to get access to a computer to get files for people we were currently serving ok people that he had started claims of he didn't remember a lot of what had gone on as i probably wouldn't either if i was out in the hospital away for several months but i guess for that reason i would want people to be able to jump right in and do my work to carry on so plus and minuses of the district plusses were that we lost an employee that could have been me that fell down the stairs ok we lost an employee but services never stopped all four towns kept getting services at a at a decreased level but nobody's stopped so that's a big plus one of the succession plans one of the nearly super cation mutual aid sort of benefits of a district the downside i just mentioned if everybody's not fully in  who had been rattling the saber a little bit but i didn't take them serious i didn't think they were going to pull out they had been discontent our director had been covering that town and we all have our cars are strong skill sets and are not so strong skill he struggled to win over a town and a veteran population the didn't want anything to do with the district in the beginning i think it was achievable he did not do it in and he was absolutely unwilling to let someone else cover that town which i think was a big part in east and eventually part there are other factors as the ills finance whatever he's been pulled out last month the district was not done we still had a strong district three towns committed to this district the price of services would have gone up a little bit because now it's three towns splitting services and we would have gone to that third person that we're going to hire just a part time our price would have gone up a little bit ours would have been spread not quite so good but still a strong district and my recommendation was and would continue to be let's keep our eyes open for a fourth partner because it made sense that was april thirtieth we sat with four town managers the the district's representatives all appointed by the the quite some time basically from fair words april on not not necessarily just the number of all that was part of it but who sets the number who sets the salary rate and who makes the appointment of the employees so this is important it was critical i think it killed us in the end had we start to what bill ross and kevin pecos had initially said this is what the statute allows and setting up a district there would have been no question question the district board which would these the four people that represent all of you and the three other towns they have a democratic process to do that to settle it but there was some contention so at that meeting what happened was that there was an agreement with the four town managers would get together agree on what would be reasonable salaries for the employees and they would bring that collectively to the board the district board of four members they would vote on it and either accept reject or amend it just following that recommendation the district board voted unanimously to go with that called the town manager and the district rep in in norton we were all shocked so that's what we are future foxborough is going to be fine what i need is i have an appointment from a district board before july first i need an appointment by the board of selectmen to continue my services or bring my services back here to serve foxborough me so that will be the one thing that continues services and then we haven't skipped a beat we're in good shape the veterans the community should know that my salary is not going to cost any more than i did before we went into a district the  no less than they were in the district then and we should be in good shape in fact i think fox broke came out of this least harmed of all have we have a lot of cases between federal state and local work the two of us have got a ton of work the way it's going to wrap up is june thirtieth thirtieth is our last day working in the district july first the state is cutting off access complete access to he thoughts on our other employee and myself that means i won't have access to work in foxborough or the three other towns heath will not have access to work in any of the three other towns until an appointment letter is sent to the state then we'll get access for that particular town so that's what will not let us have a lapse in services so i guess the message in the letter was sent out i saw copies of them to the other three towns your services to the district you help from these employees and june thirtieth  bank hire somebody full time will join a district so it's messy in the sense that there are a lot of people that are hanging the human side also of course yes the human side of it is is very messy and tangled in there are a lot of people that have developed relationships and you know trust is big with traumatized veterans coming out of combat to build a trust as a as a long process and then to get dropped as sometimes as happened when you're separated from from your unit so a matter of fact out of a you know of a combat zone and then come back and start building your relation that part of it the human side of it is going to be really messy the the  in late february think it was last week of february we received a letter that we did not receive the grant what it was it was a challenge innovation state grant and there was four million dollars available to apply for  technology to enhanced districts and regionalize approach within the state so we had applied for one hundred ninety two thousand dollars to enhance technology to to bring on consultants to actually solidify us as a district and bring us to what bill and kevin were initially envisioning which was a full fledged legal district not a hybrid anymore and so we did not get that so that's a new mission that's a nonissue that was something we're going to reapply for in november but that there grants pool was cut back after we had applied from four million to two and a half million and there to this district that will need to be distributed as a result of it ending no actually there are no funds in the district be because the pure legal district was never fully established there are no there's no money in the middle but at the end there's going to be bills going out particularly from the town of mansfield the town of foxborough for our services rendered and you know overhead we've got to remember from the state bills  directly to town know though those debts reimbursement from the member of our community towns so a lot of that reimbursement will actually come back to foxboro which was part of the initial plan in the mouth too to become inefficient  eventually a cost savings system because the salaries for the employees are budgeted by the respective towns that harbor them and then back bill proportionately according to form of the we agreed on chapter one ensure compatibility and trust comply with the law period ensure all partners participants staff advisors know the facts recognize and prepare for the complexity of a multi to give new districts processes teams and systems time to mature and succeed this is this is something that we didn't do we wasted a year we had someone whose intentions were good whose service was honorable but who didn't really fit the bill as far as directing a district a multi town district and so so we really are because of the complexity and because we we never mature so what we had is a wasted year and then several months to get going it didn't happen need to let things mature start off firmly start off with the right staff in place and realize that district staff may be different than town alone staff as far as management complexity financial complexity is just this is more to it and i know i'm speaking mostly the obvious i just this is no to myself speak up early regarding concerns and read and sure resolution because some of the resolution between what i saw in the paper one time was cultural differences i don't know what that means but i would say maybe philosophical differences or maybe just approach differences next time around whatever kind of a district those need to be ironed out early because they did in a way come back to haunt us  identify assumptions and revisit them what i mean here is i think that four towns four boards lekman four town managers a couple of years those are a lot of people assume savings and better service and i think those are good assumptions of it staff probably those needed to be visited in steps along the way to see other bad assumptions or good assumptions and then move from there or rush don't rush or be rushed into partnership what i mean there is eastham and norton were in trouble they were in extremis because they shared a via cell and we found out through having two vs those cover four towns for the last seven months or so if you can't do it in your hours and you can't meet all the needs and it's frustrating and it brings you to the breaking point so those two towns shared someone who retired unexpectedly they were in extremest but we made it worse is one of the towns kick the can a long ways down the road until the state said you will do something now so there was an opportunity for us to an opportunity for mansfield but more money well i think it wasted more time to establish the district board before operations i think that's important and that's something that i guess i didn't see coming it's the state gives you the the steps and the some guidance on a stat wishing a district they don't give you quite as much on here's how to run a district and i firmly believe now that we should have an up and running board before focus on the core mission affected in this than efficiency i don't think the the the focus especially from some places should be efficiency first and then well if we if we need the mission fine i think that i think over here i think we did a good job of staying focused on the mission get veterans involved in the dialogue and process early and that was something that we did very well and if we were ever to approach this again it's something we need to repeat  because we have veteran buy in from from the onset veterans i believe the board should not be selectman and the reason i say that the select men are the ones that are the elected officials and they are the really the the decision makers in solving and that it's important that they choose the right people to be the representatives to represent the town in the veterans in the district the problem we had was we had four towns in four different orders like mn meeting that monday tuesday wednesday and thursday were out and it's hard to schedule you know a district board meeting on on fridays and saturdays we struggle with that a long time so i don't think it should be selectman for that reason for the scheduling reason they're already busy some districts used the town manner so that i had the boards appoint the tao managers as the district reps i've seen that in other districts go well and in some districts not so well if they're if the town managers are on the there's a lot of reasons i feel that way but i think that sets you up for success centralized admin might have been something that served us well yet a satellite services so all towns again services but bring back the administration the funding that sort of stuff to one location and then if that's done then i believe that that district moved away from the towns that central district should adopt one town's benefit plan one town's bylaws one town's wage plan and use that town's treasurer and then you're not building bureaucracy you're using what's already been built and it's consistent for all the employees in that district then the last couple of things the district vision should be published early on as well as the mission and the goals before operations and then if the parties can't agree on the above then i would say we as a yes services tough questions wolken i know no it's not actually with with two out of the three employees slots filled in this district we kept the boat  afloat we we made things happen if we had ever filled and i got to tell you my coworker he thought son was the absolute best partner you'd ever want to have he's a combat injury veteran that's not what makes him good he's dedicated hard working honest as the day is long quick learn smart highly intelligent and empathetic if we have a third person like that staffing this district absolutely i would be in favor of joining a district i would i think we get the mission done better i think we would have a succession plan for when i retire for war and when i'm sick when i'm injured when on vacation the successions duplications i think there are a lot of benefits in addition to you get highly experienced and trained staff as opposed to the high turnover rate in a lot of places where you get somebody they come in they learn the job and like in vietnam by the time they learn the mission what they do when they get pulled back and there's a high turnover in my profession so that would that would help with that and then down the road through working smartly and efficiently then that's where the cost savings come so yes i would be if it was done correctly yes i would have a long list of things that you would recommend right and the reason i put that is because the other three towns as they pulled out of the district as they withdrew they all mentioned we will this doesn't put it out of consideration in the future and so i would imagine that you know it's got to be on some people's thoughts here even if we're gun shy now if people thinking about it i want to put all these lessons while they're fresh in our mind yes i would support it i'm very happy to come back to fox for work here have less migraines and get back to business here but i wouldn't put it out of consideration for the future thank you that summer i think that's going to help you think  write great summary repeat that and i think you know these types of consolidations are always very difficult whatever industry you're in someone always has to be the leader and it's hard for people to give up control it's just a natural aspect of that so i think your points are really well me can i comment on one thing you said which i should've had before control having that district board as the as the body that makes the decisions takes that control away from one town manager and we did we did struggle with that the town that had the director thought they had control and they were they they really did not recognize or respect that all four towns had a buy in and i think that was important and i think that's something that crippled us for a long ways  and you know this is something that's been bothering me from a menu you you're very adaptable and you're changing and you going forward again but when we say would do in this or any town is doing it for better service and to save money isn't it the case and i go back three four years ago when we were looking at walpole the reason that we were doing it is because if you want to call it a an unfunded mandate from the state based on population you needed to move into a full oprah's ition whether you wanted to or not is that correct so was that the catalyst for all of this at the state said you need to expand to a full time and if you didn't then you give the option to consolidate with other towns is that how this all started that's partly correct what happened was that what you said is correct as far as towns over twelve thousand population have to have a full time that are in service officer director veteran services and full time means covering at least all the hours that the town hall is open usually it's forty hours which is more than some town halls or more than this one would join a district the one thing that that i think we in foxborough didn't realize for a long time was that that was always in place it's always been that way but there was a grandfather clause that somebody who was in there part time could stay in there part time until they retired so you know head to head carl retired ten or twelve years earlier or whatever we would have had to to comply with the back and so it wasn't a new mandate ok so out of the four towns i was there were over the twelve thousand any of the other three towns under the twelve thousand no actually with the smallest town of the four with a small right so so ok so they did so they don't need to do this again to get a full time they have full time to stay in the way they are it is there in the past very provincial and it's very difficult for want to reach out to the other unless they have to right so i'm just looking forward you know a few years from now is there another catalyst that would say fox has to do this with walpole playability mansfield or what so we could we could keep the way they were doing it find it and keep moving until something changes absolutely and that law hasn't changed for a long time  if i get an appointment letter to continue my service is june first and and beyond there is no need for any change i do my job veteran's good service i think everybody will be happy if they're not someone here about a problem you guys first and then i'll hear about it and shortage i'm sorry july first you july first so there's no other change needed so if you know if it's in the best interest of the of the town to stay as a single town v s o then this does not change needed i think that that was what i was getting to a look and five years ten years down the road type things now and i don't i don't think there will be any any change on that thank you  and if there's a town out there looking for one dynamic you know terrific veteran service officer they should contact you so basically you would be the only employer to tell of this point moving forward at that point that's you've been cut off from this by the state in regard to veterans information is that the crossroads community are you as the agent from foxborough so right now you have a r know as a june thirtieth and as of june thirtieth not not as of the date when the other three towns no actually not to bury in the other towns they still get our full services through june thirtieth and they still pay their full fee through june thirtieth and what is being cut off by the state is on heath's access and mine to the state computer system that we used to to track cases so we would not be able to cut another check for a veteran or provide assistance in that way is because crossroads district will no longer exist so we will have an entity so i have to come back and be an employee of the town of foxborough get right the particulars i don't think it's that i don't know but i think you're presuming that one you'll take it the salary that all that stuff is the same but if i don't mind you know mostly doing it i don't think there's any reservation on the board to do it but i think  do it i don't care what's going to change really is is not not a lot of go back to the old salary that i had here which is you know pretty determined from whenever that was so i will take a pay cut i recognize that i understand that and the emotional strain that goes along with that is probably worth a george more come to the mike thing is i believe the vote should be taken here just enjoy themselves to china foxborough with the veterans crossroads all three other towns have taken the planning boards it's a board of selectmen have voted move move off of it so before you want to hire somebody that is still being paid within the crossroads i think he should declare yourself as just enjoying just removing yourself from the board at the last member board agree with that statement i think i don't think that i don't think there is a crossroads for us to disassociate ourselves with it's gone the original agreement provides that members of the district must notify the other member the district prior to may one so may want is already come and gone we if there were a district left if there were other towns in it we couldn't would draw at this point but we would and the reason is because the actually sixty days prior to june thirtieth which i believe of korea on april thirtieth first or something like that so we couldn't would drop but as a practical matter the cross roads  districts ceased to exist the moment three of the four members have indicated they weren't there norden their vote was symbolic because the the statutes up one fifteen provides that members of the district must be c  graphically contiguous as the only two remaining towns foxborough norton we are not geographically contiguous therefore we cannot form a district so even if i mean technically if we were contiguous across those would exist for another year because norton did not take a vote in time as a practical matter it ceases to exist so there is no vote to take you on the question for more unless you want to what i have to do for you mike obviously would have my recommendation i think he's an outstanding d s l but i want the opportunity to sit down and talk to him about the salary because i don't think it was straightforward at that time because had he not been the distributive soul in the interim his salary would have changed and so i don't think it's fair to say well so are you going to go back where you were so i that's what i think he and i need to have a little discussion about ok you guys do the math and i appreciate i appreciate my scanner and honesty but i just think that that has to get considered in fairness has to be brought and made whole to where he would have been have the district as well as the initial fox for representative he was appointed by this board of selectmen initially when that when the district started and then after is extended surgeries he asked to have both been pointing and fifty to fifty to seventy always a week to keep this district up and running and i will say that that's one of the things that i feel that this district failed  that the district director was against this just start from the beginning and he in my opinion and some of the other members of the board he did everything he could to make this just like failed we we had talks with him many many times the board and the board did want to try to get him to start acting as to director of the district and that never happened  so i do want to just really commend mike and he for their work that they did they've been remarkable and i as the veteran services writer chairman for the town and our veterans  great keynote speaker four years ago pat mitchell just before he went to the united military academy at west point was our keynote speaker for the memorial day celebration he graduates the day memorial day from west point and he will be our keynote speaker again this year one day after his graduation as a second lieutenant in the united states army so i think you know i think we're going to have i think it's going to be a great celebration for the veterans and would like to just invite all boyd and i like i know this is going out over the air so i'd like to just invite all of the citizens to place come show your support for the veterans and in place for the parade and the the plant that tree last fall later in the fall but then over again c n d kind of left us a little bit behind so i planned on plant that this year first thing we could get out and of course went there was a little late for us so we three weeks ago as far as the monument that you're looking for that used to be on the old mailbox island across from the historical commission when the state did the center of town that thing it's just lost  it's it's not to be found anyway i've looked everywhere i don't ever remember getting into my hands so if you can have one made up i could put it at that treasure have all that information really to go i could order that in the morning  what it was the tree one planted in front of memorial hall many years ago was in memory of later bristol who died in one nine hundred seventy six so when the downtown revitalization came somehow the tree was the start of the phone is a weekend celebrating the two hundred fifty years since we first director the meeting host propriety to becoming a town we're going to dedicate that tree ok that night issue you had was the lights up there three weeks ago this is all part of my normal spring thing that i do want to comment i kind of both check the lights the benches you know and i take the stuff three weeks ago i had replaced all the glass in all those lanterns i went up there monday this week after all the activity on the common and there's like four or five panes at a broken again never seen it fortunately yeah so we're going to have to have that fabricated i kind of went on the web myself was trying to look for some channels so we could do it ourselves but when i talked to com help fire they got somebody that that can do that for us those so that solved on the granite post that you had over near the post office that unfortunately got hit with a load or hone snow this winter what i did with that is i had one more granite post left down at the highway garage it was a line post so it has holes on both sides i put that in the a temporarily until we can come up with some ground impose so that's all said the barrels the were done probably three weeks ago right for the flyways i had been in contact with the guy club before i just got this letter on friday so i didn't even know any of this going on except for basically the common facts does th i'm just kind of wait now to at the end of a week to get a final moaning for memorial day now we can get to the the common fence itself roger and i been working on it for probably five weeks the issue would have been here is a lot of the small foundries just don't exist anymore so having some trouble we have a guy that's kind of picked up all these small foundries that's working with us that we're trying to get somebody that will be able to forge that common fence force that's a purist i know you want it in and cast and i would like to see it in the past also because i'm way if it does break we can heal iacke it mild steel something happens to it we can weld it the cast is so poor nowadays that you can't well that it just blows apart on you just explodes when you try to well that you can in winter time you know this granite post might go up here this one might lean now oil up so you've got a little pressure on that fence it's three sections right now that a broken i don't have any sections to replace them w foundry in connecticut that might help us out with this is coming up to visit us thursday morning and he wants a look at the pattern the thing both also want to let you know but  whitman foundry still exists that's where we had the fence forged the last time oh for years what happened with wooden foundry the last time we had the sections fortune i couldn't get the pattern back they were using  pattern obviously there's another fence someplace close by in connecticut and they were forging off up pattern for that fence and it took me like six months to do it to get that pattern back and i ended up finally just going there and forcing the guy to get the paddle he told me it was in the good storage place it was for medically sealed it was across town it was in a beautiful building where it was getting or it will come to find out it was in a pile in back of the shop and when i picked it up it had holes in it the casket you know the casket is around it it was all them took a back to the garage it was missing one of the honda scrolls actually what we did with that is we had one  and without that pattern's priceless to that fence so i really have an issue of sending it back to whitman foundry so we've been trying to work around whitman foundry and find something else the other problem we've been having is to find some granite place to make those posts flecked it doesn't exist and i want as they were out of business and you know it's well we've got you know calls out there we've good you know feel as though we're trying to get somebody that can make those posts and if i recall back when we had the last sections made for that fence they were around two thousand and twenty two hundred dollars well we need like right at this know that's what i had we had thought about that i thought about trying some kind of a poxy on it but realistically you know how to do it right like we did back in seventy two when we did the whole side right on the firehouse side who would be nice to get to  you your guys did a memorial hall the other day i mean they came in and absolutely manicured the grounds and trimmed all the things and i've been working with dave on on the common man of sense one hundred seventy one seventy move the leg this way a little bit try that late train and he'd been fabulous but now here we are at this point in time we're talking well number one these days fence sections and going to be repaired for memorial day they're not going to be repaired or found at all we're also talking the possibility of fabricating sections out of different types of metal now i brought up the subject of very quickly saying they had trouble with the castings and they would really like to go to restaurants and do metal i pointed out to them with the deepest conviction that what we did on that common in one nine hundred seventy one and seventy two was one of the greatest outpourings of citizens in this town that you've ever seen now the fence had been injured broken numerous times by cars the metal was brittle you couldn't weld it anymore and l truax which have been tenant came to me is that of the paper and said would you support me a town meeting to get some money to get a new section fence new pattern to make fence sections and i said al we need new frank sections we got a week redo the common we got to get back to stand it but i won't support going to town meeting an eight seven that common was laid out as you see it today by a people's effort private citizens coming forward saying let us do this for the town now i'm a great believer that we should use history as our guide saul when we come to nine hundred seventy one seventy two we repeated bad citizen effort and you would not believe the clubs and organizations little kids having neighborhood fails everybody doing something to put money into that fund and from that fund hannah came forward did build a pad and we covered his expenses but then we had enough money to put in the replicas of the lanterns and even enough money to take the temporary name tags off to world war two tablet after all those years and make it into a bronze casting so when it was brought up last year both roger and  kevin mentioned disappointment in the castings and the need to go to alternative types of manufacturing sections of fence and i just said to me i think this is just a violation of what the people wanted so badly and spent so much money to do it i mean we finally had to ask people to stop sending in money that's how generous they were when that story broke cold turkey to the community it was going to collect the money when that bank opened that money but mine was already out of the sidewalk and going down the street people wanted to put money into that so i think we have a a matter here of the people's trust i think that we have got to find a foundry somewhere they could make these castings and i just wish that if we had really put put ourselves into this back in september we have some repair work done by now that when when you it's just my you know when i look back and i have gotten the sections before maybe six at a time for a time if a  section you get another one voce things that take a long time you know you're not talking like send in that pad no we have today and get it next week you know you're talking months you know and that's that's an issue you have there grand coast so back in that day jack we we built up a little stock in the granite posts you know we we had like six or seven extras you know how bad exactly because we had the money to do it and we had the extra sections of fence built at the same time but you know it's all gone and now it's good it's going to cost a lot more money you know to bring that back and also it's got to understand that fence is a labor of love to put back together it's oh it's it's got to be done by hand it's all manpower there's no backhoe digging a hole yet those granite posts have to go back in the only thing we do  pull the post oh and put it in later pulls back in the same all we crawl in the hole they go with the shovels put five or six guys on the sections because they weigh like four hundred pounds it's a piece and that's how we put the thing back together goes back together physical labor in that it takes time so even when we get the materials a put it back together it's not something that i'm going to be able send my guys up there for a month to work on it'll be ok so rainy day we've got a little bit of time let's go put a post and let's fix a section so you know that that's the way it'll have to work and nowadays because i mean i'm just i'm just like totally overloaded with work right now you know that i ask a goes maybe i'm not correct but you take a section down make a scene and cast a we don't have don't have to take a section down the pattern is in a all secure and safe and that's why you know so that when you die it's why you can't just it's like you said the jack that thing is crucial to that fence that's priceless but one side of it done had gets pressed into the is one of the greatest examples of people coming forward and expressing their sense of history to this town and i mean  i got this all these faces going going past me here as i think back of the t people who who work so hard to make that happen and i just i just hate to think that we're going to give up on that process that we try so hard to to preserve it isn't easy isn't open to god don't talk about it being that the least expensive way because it isn't but how many sections we have to replace i mean we get a lot and we get back like now but i mean in the general run of things how often does one get broken if somebody does come through the fence do we get in the church claim out of this thing sometimes yes some and sometimes we  crazy to kind of look at other other ideas sometimes we don't even know what was going to cost you know i don't know if i was i was when i was talking roger as far as i'm kind of a purist on that fence myself you know what i mean i know how you are it's just reassure jock in the board and the public i don't remember ever expressing any opinions about the fans because i don't know anything about i would know a woman from cast on if you put in front of me but in any families make this clear going forward we're not going to do anything down there unless jack approves it so presumably we're going to find another foundry we're going to do these castings just exactly the way they were done we're going to have to get some money to buy a bunch of these i think and that's the way it's going to be and that's the end of the story now if for some reason that can't happen then they'll be a discussion with jack about what do we do in these other ideas but i just to be able to do these casts that's what he's doing for us right now he's finding a place where they can do them and the guy in connecticut seems at least on the surface he might be very interested in doing so we'll find out there and see how interested he for that in the making of the patent i mean and i don't know if you remember jack but for a start i put it in that those first sections of friends were like a half an inch too long to fit into those between those posts and we could figure it out for the life  recreating the the physical form of the fence for making the impression in the sand some piece of wood some pieces were made from castings and chunks of fence that had been broken over the years partly consolidated under insurance fired from story place program it doesn't look right that they actually measured the base of one of the all holes but then when they built the new post they tapered things a bit of it's the bottom where it's in the ground up to the top they're not paper the tapers are a comes from the top of the ground at from eleven to ten in tennis is a round level to the top they tapered it from those opposed to seven feet tall and the other thing they tapered at the hole like for the seven feet so it doesn't really look so you couldn't fit right either you could use a post like that in in life you could all you could use it on a desk but you can't use it in light because it's going to be too narrow and then still go on when you say you to make contact in cory's either contacting greystone companies who are content to greystone company like i told you go make anything we can do that they made the monuments the nine eleven memorial the reason we went for oh well this is obviously this is going to take a long time to complete the project is this something that could be completed like before next year's founder stay in so that this could be next year is activities  time the first night of those lights were going to come on on the common my wife and i had to be out of town on a family thing so we got back in town very very late and were coming up main street we could see the lights so they were like a couple of kids dancing down through the middle of the give the progress to date we met with the plane which developer on the last tuesday of the thirtieth of april they're proposing a twelve hundred fifty slot machines which is the legal limit for slot machines under the provision they are proposing no hotel space retained facilities to go with us the developers of the local race track is you know the little mile and people go into the christmas tree shop as when i got to cumberland rhode island no traffic i went up the road one twenty three which is like lincoln woods street and went looking to find people to see if they had any complaints i found a few people and asked questions no one had a complaint about traffic crimes they all said train of a has had no problem at all that was established like in one nine hundred forty seven as the horse track so i went down to train river and tried to make a friend who would give me some information i found someone who worked for them for about twenty five years i'll just call him joe joe told me they only give out free soda coffee as drinks on the floors of the slots they have forty seven hundred slot machines they will start to have table games soft opening in june big opening probably in july right now the vote island lottery is in charge when the table games start the rhode island state police will be in charge they go by the host laws in the all the servers service have to be certified in tips they have retired state and police offices at our entrance to make sure no one underage is are out in i walked the floor was and everything was an orderly nobody was acting up there are people who watch everything going on when i pulled into the lot to a lot of mass cuz in rhode island as i did play the slots i could get a get the feel of the mood of the people in their reactions mostly seniors some my age everyone was having fun i didn't see any any street block has any kids been left in cuz of people stealing twin rivers is by one forty six into ninety five but it is in a you know by people's houses and like plain rich that is on a state highway thank effects of twin river over time the facts of say any criminal activity drunk driving any negative a fact so we can so we can map that over time as the twin river developed so we cannot have some idea of the effect of the of what are seen it would do to the surrounding communities understand it's not a one to one mapping correlation in regards to twin resist somewhat bigger than what plane or just proposing and again they're going with table games and like you said twin rivers has under taman it was a little bit more a larger complex however it will give us an insight as to some of the effects we may have in this town a horse track across the street from the stadium and one thing that really jumped out of mean you can see is that prior reports call for stablish to social services for problem gambling prior to this talisman of gaming hall it's one of the three things in it in you know sort of given advance of one of the three things we're looking at that's probably the main impact this town is probably the hardest to measure but there does seem to be an overall the fact that you know when you e mail with a list of questions we get a new draft of whatever i talk like whatever our e mail suggestions our questions are then three or four days later we get a new draft of different things that we've addressed so it's a it's a it's an evolving thing and i think it's going to take a long time before they realize what they're going to do so it's very interesting the next the next steps are going to work with a formulator questions work through kevin to the department head so they can ask their counterparts in lincoln rhode island in the surrounding communities what the effects were to their towns and their communities so we can have a good effect again over time of fluid and talking to various people include the developer situation seems to slip into so much of the right those you aren't familiar with that term means the schedules advancing or the dates are include who the people are for the ceramic you know they consider the surrounding communities to big the mass gaming commission awards a category two license in the summer second and if they do when they the pond was intended traffic dui and social effects to be perfectly honest the effects of these are unknown at the time and they may not be large or as we're discovering they may be masked by other developments  have to point out that there's a proposed madison street development they're going to put a market basket in there and a shopping mall so that made the traffic going to that will be much greater than any picher place of the some issues that actually have a lot of liquor licenses the developers seem to be fairly serious about keeping the deal where they don't they use fairly serious about keeping  effects on the town are going to be they don't seem to have done much to this surrounding communities they did present or that the developer did go to mansfield north attleboro and i believe r there and the quote was he went to the town vendors of each three towns and the quote was from the plain old town managers who is this guy and why is he here we seem to be the only town that's taking a proactive stance as to what the effects are going to be blocked you know i have traffic and the concern of people that i've speaking to is that people coming from the north direction south on route one are going to see all this traffic and then they are going to stat g p s thing other ways coming through the neighborhoods of fox run that was a concern and i was just wondering if if the plane wreckage head asked for are the concerns in if you had submitted that kind of scenario that they could maybe work on because that's probably the most important thing that people are concerned about right i live off for st and i have that concern myself and i asked that question and he didn't really seem to care that developed as representative said that that wasn't prove that to us you know so you have to prove to them that we do deserve to be on that list and we can petition once they submit their second phase of the application if we're not on there we can be we can petition it and then they're you know we we information at least you have a factual objective based study so we can say look this is why we think we are some running community and this is the effects of the town and this is the effects on the town we're trying to get out into an objective rational be a good deal of development is starting to happen in that region so no matter what happens whether plane rage gets in my opinion when the plane ridge gets the license or not you're still going to have traffic  the consultants so the r p that you're developing with kevin is that for fox bros version of the general impact yes that is so that will take care of all those yes that is yes and that should be funded by the state correct if we can it's well first of all put it this way we can we can petition for funding from the state and actually looking forward to the committee identifying exactly how that process works for all neighboring communities so i don't quite know how the process works the hole for the committee can dig it out and then any stopgap funding in order to make up what we feel we need for analysis i try to scrape some of that out of the budget and if there's any shortfall after that we have to get a town meeting about so it was going to be a dynamic process to figure out how to fund it depending upon how expansive the request is or what the quotes come in a just to recap the board asked that we find a subject matter expert we did is has taken some time because we had some folks that were on board and couldn't back and forth but finally we got someone i don't want to mention the name tonight but i would not we're going to have this person meet with you i believe your first week first meeting in june might be the second this person actually is a national lecturer and they're away i believe tonight on a national speaking tour she's already done some work on the policy amending it on the we've incorporated those changes so when this when this costs you know all logistics are trying to do it but it looks like it's even more on point then the doctors the light program which was excellent but this looks like it's even more on  point in terms of indicators of facts steps to prevent the buz and a lot of other related issues so this looks like it's even better level of training so we're still working through all that that's what we're doing and what's on  the second step is you know this this manual on how to identify how to see it that all the town employees have taken the darkness to light program and i'm finding out that a lot of town employees have not taken it  know a lot of people are offended listening to that is that a misunderstanding or is there a certain people that have taken that i think it i don't know how it's misunderstood but i think it was offered to all of the employees funny let me employees now a lot of time employees are what's called required reporters i may have the term wrong but in four years mandated reporters and they receive a much higher level of training so in among those mandated reporters teachers wreck workers police and fire receive a much higher level of training in is and over time implication for some of them to attend any training so i don't think i don't frankly know if any of of i think all the department has attended quite a number of the non department head staff attended so you know i mean that's that's what i recall it was i figure was a year ago so in my memory maybe a little fuzzy but that's what i can remember i'm just a need to be a little sensitive because it was stated that all an all time employees took to the course or the training in we were the only town in the state to do that while i figure i'm the one who sent out and what was reported back to me by a fellow from the wire who does the training i could be mistaken of i mean it's been a long time for i a question was going to come up but i thought he reported to me that no other town had made the level of effort that we had made with the offering at all time employees doing it on town time this is all done on town time you know we we had to do it in a way so that we didn't close the building in order to do it because that would shut down operations which is why i think we did two sessions we split is for people to take one session or the other and we can still keep all the offices open but if there was an employee who wanted to take it and wasn't given the opportunity that's news to me because my directive to all the partment heads was so offer it all time employed now because of the nature of the training i don't think we can require an employee to take it i may be mistaken on that but i don't think we can but as i say we had great participation and i'm told the school did their own thing and how tremendous participation and i think vince i think was his name only kelsey tony i'm sorry tony kills you i thought tony told us that we had made basically a more extensive effort than any other community so that's about all i know but if you need more detailed information be happy to get it for well i did attend one of those sessions and i think what he what i recall him saying is the community itself they were a lot of participants by the community he didn't say program yeah i mean but i'm just saying in the rest of them were mothers and a couple of others thrown in you know his goal the y m c a s policy goal is for again if i remember this correctly is to reach with the program i believe ten percent of the population the notion being you know i attended the training myself the notion being that's the critical mass if you can get that many people who attend the training and understand  it then it has a multiplier effect in terms of awareness and prevention and i believe ten percent was the critical number so what i had offered to tony was the availability of as many town employees to kind of jumpstart this thing as possible because obviously with the with  substantial number of town employees involved we're well on the way toward that goal of community awareness and then the superintendent of schools spinelli made a similar offer and i think between the in the town employees who attended we had a tremendous head start in reaching the wise goal in terms of total percent of the community that sees the program and i think that's what tony was commenting about the very cooperative for the update ok we've already got the action tonight so yes we'll go into executive session to negotiation with nonunion personnel and come back into regular session soley to adjourn