going everybody is my god ok my name is jessica alone and i work at the nutrition group and to give you a little bit of history about our company the nutrition group has two companies that fall under its umbrella one is nutrition incorporated and that is our k through twelve dining services and the other why we're here this evening is facilities management systems in facilities management systems we have two divisions and i wanted to introduce the gentleman that i brought with me this evening our first division is our custom maintenance management division and reach cost is our general manager and he is in charge of that's a vision our the second part of the division is our owners representation project in program management this is mark foley when and he is our director of operations for that division we also have jim kaczynski from tower engineering he would be working with mark in the project management program so we want this to be very informal if you have any questions please interject if you need more clarity we're going to give you a brief overview a summary of the services we offer and at the end of the presentation we will make our recommendations to you on how we think we can best service and here once again thank you for this opportunity to present some information to you as jessica said my name is reached i'll try to give you a brief overview of what our company management systems offices state wide we are owned and operated by our upper management team jessica and i are very proud to be owners of the company and we were established in one thousand eight hundred six at the request of our existing food service plans and that's an important statement because our food service clients came to us and said such a good job with food service to shame you don't do the studio maintenance that's what really needs some help and that's how our division got started basically what we provide is an account manager to manage your school district in house employees we can also provide the comp manager and staff that are on our f m s payroll we can provide consulting services and we will provide our owners representation and program project management services also why contract with f m s mainly for the sake of time management these days too many educational administrators are already asked where a number of different hats we ask you to let us where the custodial maintenance act and take all of that off your plate we bring to the table with our programs extensive training in all areas of safety mandatory training state federal level social standards still techniques in the latest in maintenance procedures the osha standards are important the school district has a municipal entity is technically exempt from osha standards reasonable standard of care for a lot of programs and practices are programs include quality controls turf management work order systems inventory controls procurement practices and preventive maintenance our efficiencies include analyzing and looking at proper staffing levels equipment recommendations maintenance of the latest industry standards for maintaining an educational facility work procedures analyzing in house versus  outsourcing some of your projects and daily maintenance routines and we embrace the latest in technology be adequately proportioning systems microfiber technologies we strive to teach employees to clean and maintain facilities smart a report generation mechanism that keeps the district informed of everything we're doing those reports include quality control reports on a regular basis work orders progress reports that are going to legally not only to our corporate staff but they're also available to  support mechanism behind that manager that includes of our expanded services human resources wristband human and upper management supporting and just to name a few that i'll turn it over t so this evening we're because we're introducing ourselves to you and to give you better familiarity with what our company can offer to the school district we're listing the whole array of services that we do provide and of course the proposals that you've received so far to look at the draft form as well as the proposals that are in your brochures that will prevail in terms of the services that we're providing and as jessica and explained at the close of the presentation we do want to make our recommendation to the school district so that we can identify how we think we can best serve the school district with the success of your capital improvement program so with that being said we do want you to be aware of some of the services or many of the services that we do offer in terms of owners representative and in short what that means is we become your representative on your capital improvement projects it's as if you have another professional set of eyes and ears at your administrative table so that in participation throughout the entire course of the projects we're representing the school district so we're not offering design we're not the design professional we're actually your representative project to protect the liability of the school district and to assure that the projects are moving forward successfully in terms of scheduling budget so these are some of the services that we do offer and you can see and i'm not going to read through those but they are intended to provide a complete holistic approach to planned improvements for school facilities but on the second slide here the last two bullet points program project and construction management services as well as the owners representation services those are the key services that we're recommending in offering in terms of proposals that you've received so far what we have done is we have we've spent several meetings with the administration team and we've looked at your capital improvement projects in the written excel document form and most recently your administrative team has taken the list of the capital improvements projects and have identified those that would be appropriately assigned to us in the event that you decide to hire us for the for the projects basically we've reiterate those projects on this slide and so you can see the dollar amounts that have been identified for each of the buildings there are two buildings noted there them mary elementary school project you'll see that amount is seven hundred three thousand what that actually includes is there was a let's amount actually identified on the list but there were some of the projects that had questionable line items so we took the liberty to give some assumption of what those cost probably are so that's why it includes three hundred thirty five thousand dollars estimated cost and similarly with the high school there was an estimated cost of one hundred forty six thousand nine hundred for those line items that did not have a price attached to them so that brought that subtotal for the high school to two point five million dollars if we take those projects and combine it with the other line item for the mcnary elementary school the eight million thirty nine thousand then the total capital improvement prague program for which we would have professional involvement as the owners representative and also as the program project manager it would be the twelve million six hundred ninety thousand dollars the reason we want to identify that is because that's the basis that we used in terms of our propos we variant on initially we want to in terms of the validity of the project determine the scope of the work and also the assigned cost we will assist the school district in prioritizing the projects as well we know that the capital improvement program for all intents and purposes is basically a five year program possibly six to year and so our proposals are based on that five year program our goal would be to help manage the project to get them off from ground zero three get those to be initiated into put into an effect a managed approach for allowing those projects to occur and to keep them on time then in sketch on schedule so that your facilities nee are being addressed in the appropriate manner and if we turn to the left side of the tri fold that you receive those that the left side contains the two proposals for our services for the owners representation in the project management we there are two reasons why we gave you the two proposals one in the jessica mentioned this at the beginning of the presentation we want you to understand our process our thought process the so the goal here today is to be completely transparent so you understand how we are going to manage the projects but also how and why we think that the fees that we've indicated are appropriate so the first  proposal if you look at the top left corner you see in the green it says owners representation and program project management proposal let's look at that one first look at the alternate afterwards both proposals are identical the first page all words all text is identical to each other the only difference between the two proposals is the fee structure but the way we establish the fee structure is to provide a retainer fee for the first three years in the five year program that retainer fee doesn't change in those first three years we're showing a retainer of seventy five thousand dollars we've reduced that amount from what we originally submitted to the district based on our sub conversations with the administrative team and also the revised list of a capital improvement program and then after the third year before and far did escalation that retainer fee does go up to the eighty five thousand but i want to point out in this scenario both contracted years at the end of the year at the end of each year we look at the value of the projects that get managed throughout their course a year and then reconcile those numbers and that's why if you look underneath we show a four point five percent of the construction value and so if the value is higher than the seventy five thousand dollars for each of the first three years then we would assess a higher higher amount so that's and that's also identical to what we do for years four and five so at the end of the end of the each year reconcile the dollar value and if it's a higher amount than we would certainly charge the four point five percent but in keeping with our firm's mission and that is to be a complete representative of the owner we want to come up with an alternate proposal so that you're not  paying higher to fees to us if your project scope should fluctuate we recognize that you know as the years go by and throughout the five year time period you caused it because the estimates that we receive from the district that's in today's numbers but we also know that over a five year time period it's conceivable that the improvement project cost put us the way we want you to find a way to keep those costs maintained in our fees maintain constant level so that's why we offer the ultimate proposal so therefore if projects yes that's a that's a great question of the initial assessment a fee is purely to assess the existing maintenance custodial and groundskeeping operations and then it's an initial assessment and then if you want  to look at implementing a program or improved productivity and efficiencies then we would be able to at that time offer up a proposal to do that for a study in regions prepared to talk about that today you know what i'm trying to do is if you do the math yes i mean you are right in concept if we look at the twelve million twelve point seven million dollars over five years so that's basically two point five million dollars if we did the math at four percent that's really about one hundred fifty dollars so we were trying to find a way to keep under that and the reality is these estimates are not ours they're actually the school districts estimates so we want to rely on that information from the district but the very first thing that we want to do as a team is to evaluate the project actually look at the buildings look at the elements that we're identifying in the scope and then come up with what we think are our estimates as well if the costs are higher you're not paying if you know under the ultimate proposal you're walked in we were locked in the serve you at that at that rate and the seventy five something for the protect the school districts interesting is that we know that these projects if they're twelve point seven million dollars today if that's an accurate number i assure you that through the escalation that number will be higher  five years from now so if the district chose not to do all the projects this is this is no one right now our fees are based on a straight line delineation of the projects but in reality if you choose to hold often and delay some of those projects until fees i mean we are by offering a two tier fee you know your four week we jump up slightly in our feet but that's really due to our cost of our race cost of operations right has nothing to do with your project cost in provide instruction ministration most of those bullet items on the second page are items that would occur during construction ministration we on the other hand would be serving as district representative so that when let's say there's a request for information from a contractor we'll also review that request for information it would be very similar to what you know a construction manager would do or the district one use the old prototypical works type scenario you would rely on either a c m or a clerk of the works to do that for you on your behalf similarly contractors applications for payment it will be keeping a record of the work its completed will be evaluating those contractors occasions in conjunction with the architect who will be providing our input to the district change orders for instance you know most of all these projects are renovation type projects and scope there is always in renovation there's always a higher potential for a potential change or project and in new construction what i don't like is when change orders are not supported properly i  believe the change orders need to be candidly reported and the owner the school district needs to be aware when there's a potential for change your approach that we will be taking is let's see what the potential claim is for the change or let's see what the contractor is  posing for a potential cost we're going to evaluate it and we're going to scrutinize it it gives you another set of eyes and ears but gives you more leverage in a project we would be we would be serving almost as if we are your facility director for the district but at a a different level of professionalism than what typical soldiers director offers so you know we're going to be reporting to the administration on a regular basis reporting to the board you'll notice in here we're indicating that we're going to be here at the board meetings giving you the updates of the project and if we feel that work is not performed completely but yet you're receiving an invoice for it we're going to let you know that so we're here to use the cliche but some people might refer to that as the district watchdog not want to modify your your contract with your architect and take services away from the architect because for one they have a you know they have a good reason to want to see the project and if you start reducing the contract to all services i think it becomes a legal matter there is no harm in good construction good school construction to have extra set of eyes involved in the project that's why in school construction there has been work of the works a very traditional type of involvement there has been construction management firms being used collectively with the school districts administrative team mr gold we will be supporting his services we will be involved in the project and quite honestly with that on that team in place along with your protect you won't need to go out and have a separate part of the works or construction manager together this team will be able to handle that work other questions please is everyone understand the a list of services that have been identified on the first page of the proposal as well as the top half a second page well i know what those represent i'm not necessarily a strong advocate of incentives because i mean there's several reasons but our goal is to maintain the same cost so you're not you know the penalize of the cost go up with that being said we're not looking for incentives or bonuses of the costs go down  and the truth is if you if the whole program is done in four years then you simply don't pay us for the fifth year and i hope that's even a better incentive than what you  i've seen that happen in place it was an actually an early completion bonus given the contractors and and i'm not so sure that it was handled right i don't think it was necessarily a good result school s without going into too much detail about that i think that contractors find a way to state that a claim for why they have reason for delay without losing their bonus years and so i you know i don't not so sure it's always in the best interest of the school district i think if the construction documents are written properly in terms of drawings and specifications and identifies an appropriate time for completion and if there are appropriate liquidated damages i think the contractors already have an inherent reason to complete the project when they're supposed to work put into the xcel document that was given to us so we don't want to at this point reinvent anything nor did we want to suggest that you want to change the dates or however if we're actively working in the projects and we see that it might be to your advantage to bid some other work earlier one because you'll save yourself the escalation cost and you might get a better bid on big day because you might have more current you know you might have the  contractor working at multiple locations and it might be less mobilization so therefore you're paying less money and if you can get it done shorter than that's great because you get save us collation cost and you pay us less because we're not working for the district for five years there's a four year program that mr morales just that would be we want that to be viewed as a successful completion of a project and we would consider that to be successful because we help to achieve that but that's know keep in mind too that if we were hired by you and we do our initial assessment and we find out that you know the projects are more or less involved or you know the scope of the work  and certainly you know we're open to further negotiation and there's nothing here that's set in stone that you're locked in i mean let's face it if you find out that you know you don't want to do you know the high school work you know the two point five million dollars and that's that will be reflected contract so there are projects when you look at the this all of the points in the scope of the services of providing obviously there are projects where we were serving as the owners were completely or you may have a design professional involved such as the eight million dollars on the murray elementary school there are other projects where there are miscellaneous type things in the to be done such as a window replacement or roof repairs those kinds of things projects for which you won't need it the zine professional will be able to assist the district in issuing district or if queues requests for quotes requests for beds in those those areas were actually going to assist in helping with the other drawings and specifications if necessary ok you notice that we have on our team tower engineering because there are a number of projects that are mechanical electrical plumbing and up for those projects that can be issued by the district our engineering will be prepared to assist in those areas if there's a project that's  p or even if there's a security type project where it might be at the zine professional that's needed then what we would ask is that you utilize tower engineering as your design professional for those types of projects what i will highlight and really emphasize is that we are not going to mark up their fees to the district so you know that would be something that if if tower has an opportunity to you know needs to do it be a design professional project their fee to you will be at an attractive rate for the district we're not going to they're not going to be our consultants so to speak where we're making some marked up feeling on their services so i think that's also good terms of being transparent want to but you know anywhere else that we would serve you we want to find districts opportunities to save money question yes or just give me a couple examples as far as school districts around this area that you are fighting service actually we have  several school districts right now that we are contracted with locally south allegheny is one of our clients slovaks is one of our clients and hills school district is one of our clients  school district yes and social green they've gone through capital improvement projects and we've assisted them with with their issues as well there we do we have in place a manager of facilities because i don't know anything about  custody ends in the maintenance the partment is i'm sure mr gault has told you need to be a cohesive unit it would be very difficult for one shift supervisor to report to  and another shift supervisor report to mr gault it does not create that cohesive unit you want in order to get things done in meeting your expectations what i would suggest is we would be more than happy to have reach come in and there's a whole while a carte menu in your folder of the different consulting services that he from the custody and maintenance side of things offers and he will work hand in hand with mr gault on what services he needs assistance on and how we can help you achieve that but i think it would just be very difficult for one evening manager to report to us in everybody else report directly to mr gollop it just says i to where thank you yeah opportunity to work with the district on the couple projects all the reasons jessica stated in addition to the the work force on our programs are designed to take an approach to make grounds facilities maintenance custodial all more effective and we can best do that if we were in a capacity to analyze the problems the district is facing specifically mr god has said i can't be here during the day can't be here  or there's there are formulas for addressing that with different levels of supervision within the district what i suggest the district strongly consider is look at us to manage a couple of projects so we can provide with the most cost effective approach for the districts this trick to save some money but we can also come in and take a look at your existing programs and analyze them from consultants point of view and you still don't have to do anything with the information we provide you if you choose not to do a command in charge you for an initial assessment we spend a lot of time in the district review a lot of data and information analyze many different aspects of the district operations from facilities grounds and custodial because it's all part of the same workforce we can develop a menu of recommendations that you might want to consider and we will assign a timeline and a cost for each of those recommendations so that the district can pick and choose and prioritize what areas they need the help of one of our recommendations might be reestablishing staffing we distribute the stuff we allocate clothes analyze task frequencies change standards there's a lot of different areas that we can analyze and look at procurement def determine its code compliance and we can figure out a way to best a system on managing his operation from the consulting we've had programs that we put into effect in districts in ohio where they opted to take three years to complete the consulting program we gave them a list of twelve recommendations they took for one year next year we're going to do these for next year we're going to do this or so they implement them at their leisure based on their priorities so i do not want to try and find a totally honest and even supervisor i have had several districts ask me to do that and that person is hard to find our cup he takes responsibility for the whole facility rather reports or misuse the system facilities director or whether we're assisting with just a couple projects and doing consulting i don't want to try and insert a custodial supervisor only works evenings doesn't have a holistic approach to managing facilities operations i don't think we will be successful at it it's almost a recipe for disaster for our company take the way he's allocated the stuff to clean your facility we might recommend changes that could result in a more efficient effective way to do that we're through attrition you can combine some services you could change your stance or you could reestablish the frequencies so there is the potential for substantial cost savings if you go through all the different programs in procurement methods alone we've saved districts thousands of dollars how they look at proportioning systems and utilizing tolleson to shoes consistently throughout all the buildings that are using different brands providing vendors that will provide the dispensing mechanisms and the cost for using approach that's that's the way to go if some short run those two are going to simplify everything across the board from the district  yes i understand you say that it is very difficult but there's some the bought me that says i want and need to try that i need to try to disprove you're wrong because that's what i need i need somebody here in the afternoons to monitor the oversee thirty some employees that are here with no leadership capabilities i don't even have a lead second shift so i have built a relationship with an individual there that does  honestly i had a school district requests just that she and i scheduled several interviews out of the four interviews i scheduled i had three the individuals cancel they quite honestly called me and said look there with my family you know it works that evenings that's why the approach if they could put hills is both of our managers facilities director in his system responsible for the whole district twenty four seven and they vary their times they're coming to and from work so the custodians never know when they're coming in and it's a more effective way to supervise because our management team is literally all over the clock without saying you have to work three to eleven i don't know but different levels of management you can interject in current system to help you out whether you have a huge opportunity to have a crew leader can brother sister in so that's what makes it difficult you need someone outside the scope of the bargaining unit to perform the measured functions you need in the areas where you're not available would you like me to go through every one of these or you had a look at these numbers or any questionable comments there i can tell you in summary that our first meeting was very we had mr twemlow there we had tracy from in mr stuart and mr marcus the principal and vice principal were there we had a nice round table session in the conference room and these are the minutes of what we were able to i asked everybody to bring their concerns to the meeting i told them all that this was going to be a project that is going to be very rewarding when it's all said and done it's going to be painful year if some point there will be some there will be some to inconvenience to all of us that work through there and travel through there as a state as a as a facility as a faculty member a student there visitor anyone that i might have left out  the biggest concern probably is i think we're able to in summary the fuse a lot of concerns the paramount issue that i see that the in tracy will look at here in the first members that i thought the pull together for the project long term plan we just chose not to do that two years ago because of all this additional forecasted renovation you missed our stop gap yes mrs bowen that there wasn't proper flashing underneath those capstone and there was migration of water into the wall so there was talk two years ago before you on the road about putting this capstone were put flashing over it rather than replacing them and i still believe that that short term fix that we  six and the other thing i wanted to know about the mcmurry project is mr goddard said you know we have transportation and everything in there what feedback because in my personal opinion i think teachers are in there every day and should be able to provide some unique feedback on the project and how it's going to the kids and thing is there any just as a cabbie ought to just drop their you know with plan con we pushed everything off of the first phase of the spring into the summer but speaking with the modular lease individuals today  till april there were already taken by other school districts and other facilities so we would if we were to start in the spring under the original stuff we would be very pressed have to have this modernism contract signed i will have to light if needed far aging system that's that's one of the options without one big our first choice listed dictates to the type of environment the students are going to be there but i just want to let you know th are months and months of planning and things have to be done there's no thinkers and it's going to appear overnight the time happen now with six to nine months you know fixtures and piping and it's not sitting on the shelves any other line items there that are of interest to a and i thank you for that extra week because i want to hit the gas pedal as hard as i can this summer and make it as flawlessly as possible and utilize the summer heard this it'll be indicative through the school year bill i think what you're saying i am i ready to be read to the right it looks like it says the thirteenth is commencement but if you look on the calendar they always fridays being commencement it's just that they ok i have a question for dr french in your tenure as you pretend how many times did we not have pictures or evidence that macmurray that we needed and i understand that we could be going forward with this  future try to be safe as far as adoptions are problems in the school but to the state of at any occurrences talked about the pros and cons of having a highly facial recognition versus and this was based on like your recommendation and in the recommendation based on the building you saying you did beat out which ones you to basically be clerk of the court sit them babysit that's easy a two percent job the way that they the h h s you are is setting up that project they are going to actually award a bid to a general contractor so you're going have a general contractor basically be onsite setting up the and coordinating what's going to take place day by day you still have your architectural services are going to come in once a week have the meetings oversee the project just like they did power hill just like if they did the middle school and just like they've done the two stadiums that evolved in successful projects so i think they're wonderful do the job being salespeople i used to sell preventive maintenance electrical so i would like to hear some input from mr gold what he plans i don't have at this christmas and i we manage there as a team there and we know our needs i think best from a day to day operation and she and i share that we need somebody to be those eyes in there in the evening time to help facilitate the custodial duties i have asked to accept a challenge to be the project manager for anything and it's i need to be the project may here's an example this morning i'm in the mcmurry parking lot working with the architect about bringing six monitor units in for six million dollar project from the cafe in a cafeterias waving to me because her microwave writer is working denise is calling on the phone because the clocks have been reset those are all things that i want to be a part of and i'm being thrown out in the five minutes time for critical things for all those things but i've got a c projects that i'm working on that i need to separate from them i don't need the trying to diss distance myself from people all off not showing up for work not doing those they did a custodial operations i've said placement policies procedures new vendor new resources which they talked about standardizing of materials and supplies and i would hate to go ahead in this fuse this custody apartment by throwing that all out everything that i built in two years and then starting over with an outside group who's going to institute all different products possibly a procedure i will tell you they can be improved the the five thousand dollars assessment feet to tell me what we can improve upon i have my others about but i think that that may be money well  scenario that you gave today where you were working on a capital project and the main answer custodial things that were coming out just having anything manager would not make a difference like in that instance right so i'm wondering separate myself from that's the only reason why i thought it would be good to bring somebody outside for that period of time when you have your capital projects because then you could deal with that and they c with the project versus bringing somebody in to deal with the people who might be more difficult you know a robot i don't see the need to bring an outsider in to oversee their project you have to have an architect you're going to general contractors can be coordinating day in and day out with the school but what about all the other projects because i mean it's not just to make my project but it's all the rest of them that we haven't been able to get going just that well i would think that a system would probably be somewhere between fifty to sixty five thousand here ok so that is a little bit less than than that they're looking for i do think there's a need for an assistant without a doubt mr goddard said that he want t in the evening i think even if not leaving it for you even if here in the day but still be assistant to him i just don't see that the need to hire a firm just to run that one project when you're already going to have a general contractor and you're ready to have an architect that's going to be looking after you or your best interests as well as mr gold ok should we be looking at that job as well you know i mean i've worked in that concept in all of my projects with a general contractor  banks you know that that's going to take a lot of your time so really what i'm trying to say is i think you need assistance too and maybe that's not the right way to go with this but then it was i think very i would bruise i mean i'm leaving for vacation for a week starting wednesday and my mind will be leaving here because i don't have the backup support that i need i explained i have three mechanics capable of working and side of school buildings three three and the number of six hundred fifty thousand square feet just doesn't get things done when you have a fifty year old building with the high school or such demands a lot of the others they kind to it the numbers just aren't there how do we some parents the other for school facilities where do we stand right now as far as fill in those empty spots right now we have the one maintenance mechanic position we have two applicants but we'll have to work through a testing process as i have talked to dr murphy to go ahead and have a written and practical test to to bring out the best possible candidate internally and if internally we are successful then hopefully we can have a candidate to present to you  december school board meeting if not i may have to us reach outside through the the outside workforce meaning contractors i've been i've been bringing contractors in to solve immediate problems with absolute positive results and and we're we're we're seeing the difference there but you know that's not always my first choice i would like that to do things in and with our own workforce we just don't have the workforce three people three individuals to maintain the six hundred fifty thousand square feet all disciplines in this work is not layman's work if there are very technical skill sets that are required so if we go ahead if you bring somebody can afford in december and say we approve them what other spots are still open but we we have the position that i had asked for eliminated three years ago i vitally needed another trade and skill set to bring the workforce inside and we're never going to eliminate contractors but we can certainly dispel some of that and i think that my building principles can see that there are there are things getting done in repaired and taken care of from contractors this past this past friday i had eight contractors on the campus here performing work i was managing contractors everything from paving putting soap dispensers into patching holes and ceilings and access doors to do electrical work i don't like poles we've made some very positive results on friday that i'll be reporting this friday but i'd like to be able to do more of those things with internal staff you know why don't we advertise for this last position and obligation working with dr murphy to find the best person internally or by testing with practical or written test which i'm you know i'm i'm generating that it's there's no magic pill thing there it's not like a teacher ministr but but as i said i disagree with them i would like to challenge what they're find somebody this is a christian and i but now in the paper i would like to have somebody tell me no we i can't find somebody out there having gone to school all day long and work a second at work my full time job at night for three years i there is somebody out there that has child care needs that has opposite working hours carol a guy that i believe there is somebody out there they could strongly with that in the end as a cabbie got to this main this position this is a twenty year investment i'm going to make in a person like our i take it very seriously who we bring on i just don't want to award a position due to seniority or due to some other requirement other than what's best for the school district i take this are in this position is that i believe is the going to be the turning point in turning this department around and going forward within the reach outside of the i will tell you it's a challenge with the arly rate but we're paying for this maintenance mechanic position the the differential between the custodial and the maintenance position here's my view and experience there's not enough window of discretionary needs to be reevaluated and maybe even more competitive but i know there are school districts that are paying less not i'm not  only thing i wanted to bring up on capital projects in general just because of the area council meeting they come up and i didn't know any of that was included in the high school two point five million dollars i said where did you hear that because i would have thought that they would have been ordering them and we would have heard about it and this thing that was kind of just like off the cuff that you know oh we thought  with respect to that is cause there are no large testing areas i mean they're trying to do the best they can they use the library areas with a p casting you have to have a certain like six feet fa budgetary numbers one was two hundred seventy thousand dollars the other was a more i believe a more realistic approach was more detail was three hundred eighty eight thousand or so somewhere in between a quarter and a half million dollars a pretty wide gap there but that's the woman ear know we've we've used there from a temporary condition units in the military all the time i understand that they believe one was utilized for a movie that was filmed that were in the u building with ductwork and the electrical services it's up in the jury box like i was searching and it's very unsightly it is used for you know the air conditioner hospital that has lost a child or something of that nature or some some other critical component it's not something you'd want to put there for an evening for a commencement or for a seasonable a ball i don't believe so but again that would be your decision i did as a cabbie got run on purpose to dish my fans out of my operating budget to bring four corners of the gymnasium some air changes but it's a very rigid space it be could start into the new priority three in the handbook of green but there are probably forty of those that you would have to master and go through this evening if we were up to it but i mentioned nine o'clock you did yeah i have i systematically went through that this weekend and now i have a handle on all the third notices that we have not that we're going to have our water shut off or not that we're we do have some issues where we want to correct but now to take a water off each for each building in the member december january is going to be difficult now what i'm thinking of doing is on december first we have no school no faculty that's going to be my target date to