there's no such thing as automatic increases but maybe let's talk about what your your ideas are and maybe how we could accomplish something you might care oh yeah i'm not sure several times to council and in council seems to be pushing back a little bit on that plan so you know the question really is what how do we either create the political environment where that plan can can move forward or how do we get to a different funding plan a mechanism that is is possible and meets the needs of the water needs of this to if not then we do this cash and cash is made up for the permanent water supply with restricted and under strict funds restricted funds as you know are the water system development fees that are charged as part of an application for a water meter increase water services element fees or we increase the water rates the other funding sources of course for cover projects are borrowed thankfully the state manages the state revolving fun eight percent luxury so you know of all of your real property taxes and things like that you pay about eight percent of that goes towards that service money so that's something we're also trying to balance because we don't want too something that's very important to us to maintain so we present these to the coming council in the first the the co counsel has the ultimate decision making authority on what the rates and these are those are set forth by the charter in the annual budget and it's it's very clear that those are only set forth for a year so that's why i say we can't automatically have rate increases would be nice thing i think for planning purposes for utility especially t you know they've had i think a good understanding of it i think they have a hard time in that the political environment and you know being able to sometimes implement the best  policy because what you know we as managers think is the best policy may not be something that the community thinks is the best so they hear community that so as far as a strategy to assisting the county council in making the decisions that are most appropriate to what this report is concerned about permanent water supply any policies that you see are appropriate i think the best thing to do use is come up with a strategy and work on an educational campaign with the county council members to help them to better understand what it is you know move the director is trying to present and then from your in reviewing what departments doing in assisting the county council in their information maybe not better information more information so you know as far as what you're looking for down to six thousand dollars pretty quickly after they made decisions for the twelve services so this year we presented to them what if we had kept on going in the original plan that represented regular water service charges and that was not approved but sometimes even so at this point you know we're ok for this upcoming year but in future years we're going to have a big problem in trying to presented to the council that's what the what resources committee has been suggested for quite a while because it is a little challenging when you know we provide that information and then nothing gets done about it the more voices that can understand that you can speak about the if i missed anything the of the budget is balanced it's balanced in the same way that your home budgets belsky get a five hundred thousand dollars mortgage you don't have five hundred thousand dollars this year you're only paying off you know whatever twenty five thousand here so we're borrowing money and it's not at this year's budget we start paying off it's next year or the year after so what's happening is we're borrowing this money through us our phones are generally nation bonds it's next year and the year after that those costs show  if we don't collect the water system developed fees as we go you'll see the budget in two years with these higher fixed costs of this debt service and it that you're no choice but to raise rates to bring in the revenue we're trying to show is that you know we don't need the money this year but we are definitely in the next couple of years so we're trying to see if we're going to keep borrowing money we should keep raising rates to match the future debt service otherwise it locks the community in two three years from but it's two years from now we're going to run into a lot of trouble as we're still borrowing all this money but there's no real plan to have the job you catch up in about two years so it's very difficult to get i think the public to understand this because there's no problems now we have water systems waste water systems i mean look at what happened in the only way right i mean this is the kind of stuff that it's hard to get people to understand and be involved in and be willing to pay for because they don't m not see it in front of their faces right now that we're having water main breaks all over the place or you know what's in their face is a country water meter liss rate which we're not we don't have enough water to issue meters to everybody on the  everybody that wants water so that's what's in their faces right now and so that's what they're trying to deal with but to get people to understand you know it's not just about today but also about tomorrow and the future and if you don't do that maintenance items you don't do as replacements before they break down then you can have challenges and and honestly we have this problem coming right it's not just within the problems but there are opportunities for replacements of like the electrical system in the building here the building next door i suppose it's you know it's not all just the buildings forty years old and if that breaks down that county building will be without power for months until we can get a replacement so we're trying to place at the head of the you know those kind of challenges that we've come across and the things broken right now but we try to prevent gets the oil tends to work  at is there's agricultural issues in our department for i want to raise in the planning department and the real property tax division we don't have enough work to have a one somewhere in the camp that is in one place probably my guess is a real property tax where that would be the core of specter who would make assessments for everything and the rest of our departments would would use those assessments for our determination that that probably most likely would be my guess because probably planning doesn't have enough to eat we don't have to be is probably have to be h those tend to be people who are professional in their experience but tend not to have degrees there are up there or maybe not quite the professional cops is soon as you say a four year degree the government system you're talking about somebody who's you know in a certain bargaining unit of the union of a certain level the inspectors are usually a couple levels below that it's not impossible to have somebody with a title inspector who has a degree but i'm not aware i think of all the inspectors in the county right now whether they're building inspectors our inspectors department from environmental management has inspectors most of these people don't have four year degrees so we may have or there may also be a problem with department personnel services where they say that specter degree and it may not match so it may be difficult to find where they may classify it as sort of a lower pay grade where nobody with a degree is going to want that job so all these issues are going to get to be nailed down where it's going to be who is going to fund what level it is the expectation going to be and what's the right compensation for is it's probably not going to be something happens within the department of water supply will probably be in one of the other apartments where we may have and you may have input into it to be so are to think about the future where does this go we don't really have much to do with this other than the pass it on to the outworking or maybe about what the board and so i just want to be clear that it's very unlikely that the department of water supply is going to move forward with hiring either coach or inspector most likely what we do is pass this on the out working group i your preference on this issue to have us try to schedule as an agenda item for your next meeting types of representative from the outworking group and tell you what they've discovered answer your questions that we've sent us trying to hunt down understanding that the board was just looking for this this framing document so that we had people going into the field that had at least some guidance on what they were looking at and and scoring so that we were getting we were getting people coming in here saying that they've been unfairly treated or you know whatever so that just we're looking for some sort of standardize a shift in qualifications for doing those field inspections i think it's great if we could get the countywide inspector that has you know mandate from council on what constitutes agriculture and i'm certainly would support that but appeals if you want to set up some sort of minimum things you think our inspectors should check or if you want to have like a checklist and give us that as a recommendation saying you would appreciate our inspectors making a lot of these things that could be very useful to us and very useful to you so we could be appeals come to you you know that whoever we sent out looked at the following things and it records of these things so that would actually be very useful to us at the board wants to take that on if you're a subcommittee or something to discussion we've asked if she was here sure and she is expressed to me a number of times that she welcomes dialogue directly with you social try to be here when you want to talk to her if you want to strengthen her committee's relationship with he preservation our proposed wellhead protection ordinance and gotten some presentations there's been some discussion and a letter was generated to the department from the board a little over a year ago which did not support our our program to bring it back because we we are very concerned about moving forward with this and we're concerned that somehow perhaps we didn't do a good enough job explaining it to the board is if that led to the board's non positive are the only state in the nation that isn't currently doing this if you watched their local news either this morning or last night you'll see the honolulu board water supply is becoming increasingly concerned about the red hill fuel which is possibly going to go down in a while there probably are a first that just puts an underlying on the fact that existing laws and regulations do not protect our existing water sources sampling we think it's a gut level of importance is that we are very determined that we need to do something we hope to have the board support and so we wanted to open this item back up again to try to get to some of the items that  starts first do you see this very it looks very technically complicated but the root of it is we're saying why are so precious and our infrastructure is so limited that over the long term we as a community can't afford to have our existing wells not be usable because of contamination i think everyone agrees with that so new sources we're working on we want to use those for additional water we don't want to get into a position ten years from now that new source that we've been working so hard on has to become a replacement source because the existing source is no longer usable that's why we're so concerned about this give right now as we speak there's some contaminant working through the ground towards one of our wells but there's nothing we to the whole watershed area and say you know no one's ever allowed to go or we can do nothing because that you extremes what we're trying to do and that's what this program was developed to do is do as little as we can get a lighter footprint in our in our ordinance as we can but to get the most bang for the buck and that's what you see here we're not outlawing almost anything is mostly based on best management practices so if you're going to do something in an area then you've got to put it up or walk into that kind of so we're not trying to put a fence around the watershed and stop private property users from doing what they want we're saying we've got some responsibility to the community as a whole to protect our water sources so that's what we're trying to do is take this approach of doing as little as we can to get as much benefit if we can for the long term water supply needs of it so that's what we've been shooting for i know it's very technical with all the details but that's what wells there are many many wells all over the island that are not our wells and if those well owners want to approach council and have an ordinance like this protecting their wells they're free to do that when we're trying to do is we're not wells it's not us trying to be a regulatory agency protecting anyone else's wells so i would have to be really clear it's only about a part of the water supply  council that was on the agenda today and he wasn't here to say what happened i can tell you that the council passed the budget without adding that i did back in so thank you for your support but they passed the budget without making