as though they are residents for the base charge so if you have a whole to use building that has commercial and residential components you will have two different base charges you will have a base charge for commercial times the number of commercial units that are in your connected that are in your a connection and a base charge for the residential times the number of residential units you have in your connection the flow rate because there is only one meter going to the building is going to be at the commercial again wanted to we knew that we were going to get the you know the the single person who lives alone that says i don't there's a lot of water what can i do and so that's why we said all right well let's go with the thirty on the base and seventy on the  on the the flow so that we would capture those people those single family homes that do use a lot of water and kind of encourage those single family homes to not use so much water t and was considered a customer and we had ones like yours where there was a single meter multiple units and it basically was a situation where very similar situations same number of people could be charged very different and so we made the decision with a lot of public input to try and make it is even possible we look at what the impact is though it is going to be primarily on situations like which have been where the where the rate per customer for living unit has been relatively lower than buildings where each unit has its own meter attached to it and what we guess might be the case is that over time landlords like you might want to move to meter in each unit separately and that we think is going to make it a lot more even equitable for everybody because we've had this mixed system overtime but it clearly you're right so i'm just doing the quick math so it's fifty bucks per unit per month that it goes out so if it absolutely is noticeable and you're from what we've looked at or what i recall with your money and where those individual rental apartments have the biggest increase  on well that's one of the issues they raised our attention in the beginning because i can show you people on my street that are single older people on fixed incomes living in a house by themselves so they're facing the same and this is this is not going to make some people happy but the old way didn't make people happy and the old way didn't make people happy and any future way is not going to make everybody happy we tried to do what was best for the community as a whole based on feedback we received a multiple public meetings so that's what we're dealing that's what we've presented today and i think the we're not like jumping up and down like this is awesome i think we're like ok we're comfortable with this we feel better about this and and let actually ran the numbers we did we play this out because that we heard that suggested a number of times why don't you just charge per thousand gallons just charge based on what you use so really we ran the numbers and for the lowest users it looked all it looks great you know your bill is going to be one hundred dollars a year or whatever i'm just throwing out don't quote me on it please but it was going to be a really low a really low bill but at the point where you start reaching the average the bill was going to be higher than it was under the four letter word system the air you system and then for the users that use even more it was going to skyrocket and so those commercial units like mr lemon who who use a lot of water their bill would be even higher than it was than it is right now and we didn't think that that was sustainable or equitable or tenable frankly so that's why we we dial that we said all right what's another option and the other option was going to this count the units count the units count the units and we were comfortable with where we are unit prices that's why we charge for a residential unit is not the same as a commercial charge all right yeah yeah no two just just tubes in summation as we took all the residential customers use about sixty seven percent of the water and there's about four hundred residential connections so we divide it up and out that way there are about seventy seven commercial customers that use about twenty seven percent of the water so you can see that there's a higher percentage of residential so you wouldn't have to figure out which are used so it starts lowest it goes highest and it separated out by residential commercial schools and government the next column over this is the amount of water that you used in calendar year two thousand and thirteen and i just use that as a point in time to do master minutes so the next column for f y thirteen that's what your bills were two years ago and those are almost exactly what your bills were because i took connection and value the amount of water that you use during the period of time that covers this this year that year and then for the house to meet it for twenty for f y fifteen i took what we have not approved yet as as your base and your flow rate but i use that as an approximation so if you're one residential connection you would be one times what our potential base rate would be lots and estimate if you use approximates and estimates and approximates please when you get your bill don't go to this table by for this doesn't equal that's because they're purely for for illustration purposes  exactly yes but i don't like the pants just to repeat the absence of the three letter four letter word it will be united not that other thing so you're one unit will stay one unit if you have one apartment if one apartment  to back up and start first so soon with growth and i can tell you that to focus of this commission for the past eight months twelve months has been greats and revenue and now that hopefully we have we have cleared that hurdle hopefully i'm not going to say we're ever going to be done with that this is that now we can start focusing on that and i know that i know that i have that that is on my radar it is on our radar and is not without its challenges in terms of our geography and zoning you know where are you going to put more buildings and more users and so that's one issue in terms of the existing pipe infrastructure you know where existing system and then the cost of extending the system a mile or two is actually quite substantial so the cost benefit of that is somewhat daunting that running a pipe like out of the trailer park is not a twenty thousand dollar project so that those are some of the dynamics that come into play with gro is is where in in the village can we put additional users without having to build up the system which is why the creamery parcel is so attractive it may not be the only opportunity but certainly the biggest near term when you go to put it like to we're only occurred as a result of improvements to the water sewer system and things that are in this bad basket are only things that were not associated with that the ones in the first basket go to the users on the system the ones in the second basket go to the whole town now that is a political decision ok other towns do it differently and do different ratio but to get to a different ratio you have to engage in a political process my well collapsed and i had meant well and that was fairly expensive proposition so what i've heard from nine users is there's some gray area about paving where maybe schools things like that but the question that's the only way the board is going to change significantly tomorrow chris and amy this is their last meeting so the next people who serve on the board are you interested will and that will be something that we discuss  when the next kind of big project comes up because it it definitely needs to be on the table but i don't we're not going to solve that tonight this coming car staff how do we how do we appropriate allocate how do we appropriately allocate the costs of the insurance policy that that we have with having fire protection and that will be and fans that will be over the summer the law of unintended consequences and this says this is a related thing not specifically on fire but on schools so when we look at where the the proposed rate restructuring is going to take people  several months ago they're going to experience fifty percent rate increases so the total bill rising from forty thousand dollars a day to six dollars a year starting in july the unintended consequences though are what we're dealing with right now with the vote on the menu but the problem there is that although the school has been very good frankly about limiting them some of them and you know yes right now about limiting the increase in their budget because of where we are with spending relative to the state the state education is going up several times more than the budget of the school is a great way to distribute the cost not only rather more broadly in britain but to other towns as well and what we've found is that we're actually contributing to a double whammy and it's still all these it's e i don't recommend that we change our plans for the for the new rate for the schools and i think the higher rate for the fire service in richmond makes sense you guys comfortable with with that ok so you guys have the proposed budget and here was a handout the commission has the proposed budget they're in their world the overall yeah and the administration line is all the cost that it takes to support the general functioning of the water resources department the next category is wastewater online so there are two distinct services are provided by the water resources department waste water and water and there are some costs that are only waste water and the and then there is water only expenses a modest increase and i think kind of would like to increase that more  already spent this year and we budgeted twenty five thousand we budgeted twenty thousand and water line repair and we've spent thirty five so that's going to happen it could be like i said three years could be five years is that we know we will have a debt payment come due and instead of waiting until the year that it comes to to actually put the full amount in the budget would be to over the preceding years put in a small amount and then slightly larger and slightly larger and slightly larger so that you're ramping up you are anticipating debt service take that take that anticipated and on that you'd be paying for that in the reserves so that you could so that you could then bump up you build up your reserves to other projects or pay down the amount that you'd be spending on that capital i am and the capital reserves modestly over the next couple of years to account for a known project that is coming down the road yes right now we're going to put a line item that says it's main street when we don't have enough to meet street it's a debt payment of roughly twelve thousand dollars that's needs to be used so we have to start paying that back in fiscal year fifteen and then top it all this is a request from and it's mostly in the water calking all last year we contributed fifty five thousand dollars combined to water reserves and kendall is proposing seventy five thousand to water those are the and you you should all see those line items right now on your budget your generated from the same spreadsheet they generated the the three year wait thing which so it's all generally off of the same of twelve month usage period in twenty thirty including going backward in time so below reserve as forty thousand i'm showing ground support is sixteen thousand i'm sharing jericho road just services roughly seventy eight thousand change seventy nine i have collections system capital is ten thousand wastewater capital has ten thousand phosphorus a star after twenty two thousand three hundred would be twenty thousand fifty five thousand fifteen thousand seventy eight seventy nine thousand roughly on jericho road nine thousand ten thousand dollar reduction in the wastewater capital but a when she thousand dollar increase and the water capital reserves again  the water system is the one that is going to need the most work know the last meeting we did review we did review our financials and we are right on track of this waterline replace water line fixing line item that's the only one who are more over on it all the rest where we're we're the second monday of every year the first monday of every month that's when our regular meeting is and that's when the review financials so dash eight for dash for dash six two dot zero two from twenty five thousand two based on a vote that had already happened from things i'd be more comfortable with that once we go to bachmann's for at least main street start planning that in four years ahead well we can make the argument that we've already gone in for a new tank  and we have we have an estimated bond payment to forty to fifty thousand dollars a year and for four years five years how do we take that logic and apply that and say all the way the numbers work out is for our residential unit the base charge is roughly one hundred thirty dollars for water and roughly one hundred seventy five for weeks for that is per unit per year the flow charge for residential is ten dollars almost eleven homes ten fifteen per thousand gallons for water and a little over fourteen for wastewater that is the metered charge for commercial per commercial unit per year is a little a little over four hundred seventy five dollars for water and about six fifty for waste water the flow chart for water is a little over eight dollars per thousand gallons and almost eleven dollars for wastewater for commercial for flow per thousand gallons if we were to add in an additional ten thousand dollars in distribution system reserve bring that line up item to thirty thousand dollars eighty two suns ruffling pretty thousand gallons the commercial charge would go to a little under five hundred dollars per year and the flow charge would go to a little under eight dollars and fifty cents per thousand gallons that only affects the water because we're only adjusting the water budget so the tweak is it's like this it would be modest but to have an extra ten thousand in the bank i think candles saying that he thinks that that would be but that he would appreciate the extra ten thousand recommended that this is the project that they want that it is important for them to move the driveway so that it is out of the hundred year flood zones or they can access your source of water during a flood event has all they've also requested that they  little electrical power and flood event other than i mean they've also requested that they bury the power so that it that will also continue to be provided to the well house i think in terms of the research having just having heard the concerns about rate increases at this time well i'm receptive to you i have to have building the services for you everything i've understood suggests we will end the year with some surplus that's available to put into reserve and i suggest that we deal with ok rather than increasing rates to build an additional reserve as well as the surplus going to be degraded that as we so can we can we make a motion fourteen be allocated by this commission for application to the twenty fifteen reserves second then and we have to pay debt and we have to keep the lights on are we are we to be have a motion to approve the budget as presented as the proposed twenty four thousand and fifteen as the proposed i posed we have a budget now we can have a rate so great that i that i checked off a little earlier work would be the one thirty sixty four hour for residential base ten dollars and forty three cents for as attentional flow do we want to keep it one hundred like exact math or do we want to round i agree i just don't want to spend i just don't know that we could we could be with you doing to me accept it the way the way the off works out without  how it's proposed to be thirty to thirty percent seventy zero on the commercial side ok i see because because the increase on the commercial customers especially the young low users is tired and i think commercial class what it essentially does is increases the really the bill the annual bill slightly for the larger users and decreases it slightly for the smaller users but the reason for that is when we fix this mess out there that we found still let me let me tell you what we've been looking at if we just did fifty four for each commercial unit that would be four hundred seventy six dollars and twenty five cents per commercially and if per year plus eight dollars and fourteen cents per thousand gallons at fifty fifty if we want to forty sixty that would change the base charge per commercial unit per year to three hundred eighty one dollars and increase the flow charge to nine dollars and seventy seven cents i don't know what that's going to then do to all the other numbers it automatically updates but i can look at that range if i could  like but you're right these are these are the challenges go with that that we are that we face if we look at every if we look at the way the rates affect every single individual connection we would make ourselves mad and frankly i'm mad and i've mad so we had to find a look at the bigger picture of what it does overall and again we felt more comfortable in this approach overall i mean it's it means really what it's trying to again and again what we're trying to accomplish by trying going from fifty fifty to forty sixty would be to try to get those low water user commercial customers to have less of an increase as what they would have while still protecting the largest users from their significant increases that they saw last year that's what we're doing it's against the see saw it's it's leveling out t other thing that it does though is for this for the class of customers that we specifically identified those mixed use commercial buildings that are now going to have to charge multiple fixed units when you reduce the amount of the fixed unit charge you decrease the hit to those one so i mean we literally have some of the small commercial customers who are going to see you know three hundred percent increases in the lessons  yeah yeah no new hundred bucks per year per resident who are commercial accounts for those who have five and six that's five hundred dollars a year difference twenty thirteen by any means but it certainly decreases it from fourteen so it's somewhere between somewhere but yeah which is similar to where the other fifty fifty actually yeah yeah you know that that would have per provided it also it's what it does is i mean without getting specific to a specific account i would say it still offers substantial relief to the largest commercial customers while you know just not as great so for the residential water base would be eight hundred thirty dollars and sixty four cents here you're getting the same number ok for the flow for the residential every ten dollars and forty three  for the water on the wastewater residential unit one hundred seventy four dollars and fifty five cents per unit and fourteen dollars and thirteen cents for the waste water flow on the residential for the commercial and government per unit it's three hundred eighty one dollars per unit per year for water and nine dollars and seventy seven cents per thousand gallons for water on the wastewater side it's five thousand nine hundred ninety eight for waste water base per unit per year and thirteen dollars per thousand gallons for wastewater  clear camel's hump is two units rich rich in elementary is one and they're paying twelve dollars and three cents per thousand gallons for the waste water it's six thousand and eighteen dollars and twenty seven cents per unit and it's sixteen dollars of the july first two thousand and fourteen building oh but they're affected with the july billing so right  any further discussion still in session we're still in session thank you thank you for showing up thank you for giving us the feedback that we needed to hear and thank you for saving part part of the conversation we still so we're ok getting them in a time in a timely fashion after the clo