thank you larry this part of the presentation will detail how the team refine the site plan and technical design to respond to the substantial comment he sees on the draft of the commission challenges us to make us to make a better plan eliminated any significant impacts and i will address how the site plan architecture views from the county new road and access to shoreline resources have been improved to meet that challenge one of the site plan principles they described earlier was that of that we located larger multifamily buildings further away from the shoreline along the canal and we were which is consistent with a key a mechanic community plan to further mitigate any potential visual impacts of these buildings on use we paid very close attention to how we sighted those buildings tweaking them in the field to make sure they provided the maximum new cars and also on building style massing materials and  colors at the draftee a presentation the commission challenge us to relook at our designs of the multifamily buildings to quote soften the contemporary design of the proposed buildings to incorporate more of the whole law and sense of place and close create describe these buildings in detail earlier the draftee eight designs are the two buildings on the top half of the slide and the revised final e a designs are on the bottom half of side you can see in this comparison slide a dramatic difference between draftee and finally a design the buildings have a much softer look simpler massing darker more recess of colors and more natural materials inspired by traditional hawaiian architecture with these revise in parcels the two here we removed two multifamily forts four story buildings and replaced them with two one storey single family homes this refinement further the goal of no significant few impacts and created a plan more responsive to psych and visions preserving this valuable view court order to cause a lobby here in the village to increase ocean views remove the commercial building that was in the draft a plan we also adjusted roads lots and building placement here here and here to keep in place two additional archaeological sites these two sites were not originally recommended for preservation the ai house will now be woven into the neighborhood and space fab as i mentioned earlier there was a special planning commission site inspection and the two next slides were reviewed during the site walk and show building heights and said backs through the multifamily buildings relatives on the ten also show how buildings were carefully placed to enhance or create the sections show the buildings buildings have greater setbacks on the road than required in most cases three to six times that of the minimum of the twenty foot setbacks required by zoning standards and all building heights are at or below  the limits regulated by mouat county i will now walk you through the resulting new view and now assess consisting of photo realistic renderings paired at these twelve locations around the project first i'd like to quickly explain our methodology i'm not sure the twelve locations are showing up well but can you guys see them there the blue arrow one coming in the drafty a requested that we make more photo realistic versions because the previous style was too loose to respond to this comment we changed our process to a more photo realistic first photographs were taken at representative points along  canal a new road called mckenna road for looking at the property from the ocean then three d computer train model of the proposed view was taken from the same location as the photo and lastly three d novels of the buildings into the terrain model and the building finishes in colors along with landscaping rendered this methodology creates a very accurate rendition of how the finished environment this first view along the ten new road at the north shows ocean views partially blocked by land form or obscured by dense existing vegetation as you can see the proposed buildings and landscape will have no significant impact on views at this location the second view shows an existing if you call home and the view impacts a draftee a site plan had on this view based on commission and community input we moved to multifamily four story buildings and replaced them with two location two point five is similar it's location to the previous rendering but is pulled back onto the road more as you can see the existing ocean view corridor is preserve this next rendering depicts the creation of a new view quarter of a whole lobby that was previously blocked by dense vegetation careful building siting in landscape combine to create as few opportunities this rendering from location for is a view looking makhaya long street one can sue clearly see the proposed building and landscape will have minimal if any visual impact as existing ocean view is nearly entirely preserve this is another area where current mkhize views are blocked by dense vegetation by carefully considering the building locations of roof heights of the canoe club holly and the new landscape placement we were able to create another ocean view corridor where none exist  we remove the commercial building shown here in the rendering based on the draft comments as you can see in this new rendering on the right the ocean view is greatly improved from the draft location seven currently has ocean views some of the west maui views will be obstructed by village buildings we have mitigated this impact by providing a shaded public viewing spot located on the bridge you can see in the middle of this rendering that this next few locations seven point five is looking mkhize standing on the bridge i just mentioned that is adjacent to a cultural heritage center entire village plan was refined to preserve the existing drainage and historic walls and create a meaningful opportunity to enjoy views of west maui and the ocean while overlooking and learning about this important cultural resource we look to recognize the seeds of who was the first to build causeways and bridges this new bridge is inspired by a bridge in the mouth a portion of the  adjacent in the kennel landing park this view demonstrates one of our guiding site principles that of locating single family homes and open space along the edge of the property respecting the park an existing neighborhood character consciously picking dark a building colors and materials allow these buildings to rece landscape is a malka view up on the street once again one can see there are no significant view impacts you ten is looking south along old and had a road and shows the single family homes buffered from the road with landscaping you can also see a new sidewalk which will connect one of the street to the church parking lot and create a safe of the connection mckenna landing to mother walk of each this last few responsible relative to resource management and climate realities a consistent informal and mostly native landscape and if the building is an outdoor spaces together creating an environment that naturally flows through this neighborhood this new landscape will some of the species were used in traditional craft and canoe making and by including them here we hope to provide the opportunity for mallee community to engage in the crash through the local through the cultural heritage  landscaping on the slopes will tie this area into the proposed project landscaping these planting areas or bio swells will also be part of the project y drainage system which will be described in detail by amanda later on  on site water improvement consist of a potable and non potable water system the potable system is comprised of domestic fire and irrigation lines which is connected to maui county's potable water line and mckenna our new erode and whole street the potable water source for this project comes from a well located within the central maui water system which serves both central and south maui this well system is currently in its final stages of development and is scheduled to be completed and dedicated to the county maui department of water supply in early two thousand and seventeen from this well project the well developer will receive water source credit allocation of four hundred seventy six thousand g p s from the department of water supply c mckenna contributed towards one hundred seven thousand three hundred eighty g b ts of water in agreement with the well developer in an effort turn in an effort to utilize potable water responsibly a t c mckenna will use an existing potable water source for the project's landscape irrigation needs this non potable water source is from existing active brackish water wells located in the north called course area which has an available capacity of two hundred forty four thousand seven hundred gallons but the average daily demand the average daily demand for the project is one hundred six thousand six hundred ninety three g b vs potable water which is less than the one hundred seven thousand three hundred eighty g purchased allocation a total average daily demand of one hundred eight thousand seven hundred sixty three gallons per day will be used for irrigation purposes from the non potable water system which is less than the two hundred forty four thousand seven hundred g p d available from the golf course site the proposed onsite sewer improvements consist of a wastewater collection system to service all post buildings the waste water collection system includes an underground gravity line with  up to the mckenna waste water reclamation facility by way of an existing forcing the preliminary wastewater treatment for the project has an average daily demand of forty nine thousand nine hundred sixteen facility has an average flow capacity of seven hundred twenty thousand gallons per day therefore this this treatment plant has is capable of handling flows from the post project this table shows a summary of the potable of the water potable and non potable and waste water flows required for the project it also shows what is available the proposed potable water allocation of one hundred seven thousand three hundred eighty g p s is adequate to supply the domestic needs of the project the existing non potable brackish water wells have an excess capacity to supply their edition needs of the project the existing mccann always water reclamation facility has more than enough capacity to handle the project and current needs for the mckenna resort area traffic study for the mckenna and fired and six seventy two project was initially submitted to review in twenty fifteen after receiving comments from various state and counties in c s community members and members of the my planning of traffic lastly we need sure that our now assists and methodology is consistent with county state and nationally accepted standards this is a map that shows the five additional intersections updated traffic study the vehicle trips generated by the projects were project were updated the majority of yukos trips generated by the project's residential components were calculated based on local area vehicle trip rates which are approved by the state department of transportation trips generated by the project's retail component and a small portion of residential units fertile collated based on nationally accepted equip rates overall we determine of the project would adding on average about a vehicle every one to two minutes per direction and this is on all studied realities so based on a comparison of all studied intersections with or without the project the overall intersection levels of service operated similar to one another as a result no additional off site improvements were needed for the project outside microscope my name is amanda according i'm very happy to be here today to talk about my favorite thing which is low impact development i me i need specific director of a company called eco solutions we are an ecological engineering firm that specializes in montek development and i am based out of the new one area of a walk i am also an affiliate faculty at the through the specific water quality features and protections that this plan will provide low impact development has changed the way development projects are done all over the country in the world is a requirement in the city and county of one of them and as i've heard it's likely to be coming down the pike for maui as well so this is nothing new but it's extremely exciting because we have the opportunity to do something differently better and improve on the way that things were done in the past l s d was developed by scientists at harvard stanford university of connecticut university of vermont and is now being implemented at one word community college university way west was new and many other places for those of you who are not familiar with what loans have development in it's an approach to development that mimics pre development hydrology and uses ecological engineering to remove the pollutants in storm water so that that water can then be reused on site or replenish ground water supplies the two main engineering features that will be used on this project include bio retention some of you may have heard of rain gardens or similar and porous materials these features dramatically reduced peeps flow rate by allowing water to filter through a specifically engineered soil media at a pre designed rate that rate removes harmful saddam and that we have heard about earlier that smother the while the plants and the soil microorganisms within these systems break down nutrients like nitrogen and phosphorus that otherwise can contribute to harmful non structural l h d touched me such as vegetated bank stabilization and preservation of natural areas will also be used to reduce sediment loads in areas that currently have steep slopes such as the g play an important role in our local culture using l i d features this project will not only meet the minimum requirements to retain the fifty year storm of ban but it will also remove pollutants from that storm water and that's a very important distinction that we have to me between traditional engineering and ally we actually get to remove the pollutants using these techniques ok so here you can see on the left the predevelopment flow rate for the fifty year event is that sixty seven point eight c f s we are required to bring the flow rate back to this level after developments using the impact evolvement we are able to mimic pre development hydrology and actually reduce flow rates below pre development to forty seven point one we do this by slowing and filtering the water that currently runs down steep slopes untreat at the request of the planning commission and the community we moved beyond the minimum requirements and asked ourselves how can we create a strong water treatment system that not only retains the fifty years that it is also adaptable to larger storm events that are likely to occur as a result of climate change can we remove pollutants that currently enter whole new habitat can we create a zero water quality impact project to help answer these questions we met with members of the community many of which are are here today and i just wanted to send a brief mahalo to those folks for meeting with adrian and i and the folks at t l c if you walk the site and meet and sit down and discuss all of the live features and the engineering that goes into those calculations as a result of those collaborative efforts the proposed l eighty site plan will retain and treat without lid the flows got to one twenty six but we're happy to say that when you implement the law in fact development features we could improve on current conditions during the one hundred year storm is on and get those numbers down to fifty four point five again we do this by spreading the l m t features out throughout the site that we're not concentrating on the strong one or we're dealing with it in the centralized way capturing filtering at each point where it's generated this proposed project will utilize course materials shown here in blue on the roads parking areas driveways and sidewalks wildfire attention shown in green  well except run off from rooftops and any excess that is not filter through the porous material that's called a complete street for those of you who haven't heard of altogether the retention and treatment of on site runoff using id is nearly double the county requirement that's why it's so great the team also identified opportunities to treat runoff from out the land so cruel mowing county rugs allow them out to run off to pass through the site untreated but i want to improve water quality so we looked at how do you we do use that mao corona coming through the property because in large storm events that can come down and bring sediment into mckenna by selecting various features throughout the project and using those natural slope stabilisation techniques that we discussed earlier across the site we were able to reduce malka runoff by seventy nine percent during a yearly storm event on one zero e q st we're going to use green streets they can actually get the one hundred year storm of been filtered down through course materials which will be used on the ten new parking stalls and linear virally tension areas which will be installed along the roadside here so that's an example of a green street visually the current conditions on a whole new e q street were designated by the old way of doing things on the top right hand corner you have an asphalt swell when it rains runoff picks up looting runs down the faults well just charges a new storm which is one hundred feet from the ocean it discharges directly into the ocean this project is proposing to improve on current conditions as you might expect all of the live features would be inspected and maintained on a regular basis in above and beyond what's required by the county it's very important that we do that they will also be monitored using some of the probes that the gentleman who testified earlier was discussing in addition to some other information so the lead features will actually be monitored before and after construction by slowing and filtering runoff on site using one type development we will remove the pollution reduce peak for flow rates in improve on the current condition by working with the community in the commission this project will showcase a zero water quality impact development that project could be used as a model for future projects maui now i'll turn it over to mark roy marc klaas how much longer you guys have  ok thank you we really appreciate your time as we hope you can see there's been a lot of work put in over the last couple of years on preparing and provides a comprehensive assessment of this  project why isn't he a prepared in the first place well the main purpose is you've heard in testimony today is to identify potential impacts that could result from the project once a potential impacts have been identified through technical studies significant impact on the environment as with any environmental process the finally age for this project contains a detailed program of customized mitigation measures that are intended to address specific impacts potential impacts that were identified during the preparation process like to now just conclude by offering a brief summary of the proposed mitigation measures for the project in accordance with the force of stand to comment scenes that you've heard today from the draft firstly archaeological and cultural resources as you heard this is something that has and continues to be a primary driving consideration for this project due to the sensitive location and mckenna state administered requirements are in place to ensure the potential impacts from the project to manage the highest possible extent archeological inventory survey reports have been completed for the entire project area they've also been accepted by  encompasses a data recovery plan archaeological preservation plans for those sites that will be preserved burials treatment plan for the single burial that has been located and will be preserved in place an archaeological monitoring plan respected and perpetuators is the future by residents employees and this is to this new community into the cultural training program for all workers and a historic interpretive center that will be developed in the in the res commercial village in relation to views in open space the project is located in an area designated for this kind of urban scale development by state county guiding land use documents and journey including the along neighboring roadways shown in the presentation today the project is actually expected to preserve and enhance many existing views there are also some concerns expressed during the process about possible impacts from the project on public shoreline access some of these we think were due to some in the community possibly thinking that the project is being developed directly on the shoreline however we recogni that there were concerns about a higher level of use of shoreline resources as well is the additional residence that would be generated by this project while the use of nearby beach parks may need rise as would be the case with any development on maui we do not feel that this would translate into a significant increase in users the relatively low number of residents that would be on property on any given day nonetheless the applicant  owner is mckenna resort is continuing to work to upgrade and improve the privately maintained beach parks in the area to enhance the level of enjoyment not to cheat all users seeking to enjoy the ocean environment  speech access related upgrades this project will also be paying and impact the it will be about two point eight million dollars to the department of parks and recreation in impact fees specifically for the use in improving parks and playgrounds throughout mowery county as you've heard from the engineering team just now all infrastructure necessary to sustain this proposed new community will be developed and paid for by the applicant and will be available concurrent with the development coming online the infrastructure program has been designed the quote is with these guiding sustainability principles the road opted in the planning process to ensure responsible resource use across all levels of this as possible but the strain oriented improvements to neighboring roadways have also been formulated in a partnership with the county to show the project can truly connect to other residential uses as well as beach parks in the neighboring community since the drive by applying a specifically crafted program of low impact development measures that will have the ability of retaining and treating on site increasing runoff generated by the project for the one hundred year storm easing and implementing a responsible landscape maintenance program to minimize nutrient input into the drainage system during storms continued resort wide water quality monitoring programs as well as a ten year marine protections that applied to listed species such as turtles that can be found along the mckenna coastline related to this the applicant is committed to ensuring that this is constructed in the most important element of the sustainability plan for the project there will also be a water quality monitoring ploeg program implemented during the construction phase of the project to ensure protection of mckenna bay and the surrounding marine environment so in closing as i mentioned earlier the ultimate objective of the process is to identify if the project is likely to result in significant impacts significance is determined by applying a set of criteria  state and county plans and policies and avoiding substantial primary and secondary effects on resources in general a full assessment of this criteria assessment is provided in volume one of the final  on review of all agency and community input received during the process in addition to the findings of the updated technical report supposing we did not find any impact that cannot be mitigated or one that would fall into the category of  significant impact on the environment i said two years of working on this document and we feel a very important document we are greatly appreciative of the op is she has to be here and present these findings the commission today based on the findings  audience to address any questions you may have and he thank you mark this time to take a ten minute recess return after thank you going commission's call back to order at this time with an open the floor for public testimony anyone who hasn't testified earlier this morning may come forward ties to pre contact is a little bit about myself just right off the bat i like to make sure that everybody knows that i'm not somebody who is opposed to general development i have no misconceptions about you know the ideas that the number of structures that we have built on the we today are going to be the same number structures that still ten years twenty years from now i work in the visitor initially myself i'm a tour guide and i  folks who step forward today who have and social ties to the land that were discussed today i also want to state that i am i've been impressed with some of the remarks made about this discovery land development company about some of the efforts that they have made to try to be you know as as formal as possible still learning about this about this company but they have talked a lot about how they want to go above and beyond what is required and i think that in this case because of the history of some of our natural resources and how limited some of them are  with that in mind wanting to go above and beyond i think that perhaps the supplemental yes would be appropriate at this time keeping keeping that in mind i think the last complete b s for the area was done in the i had opportunity to meet with some of the folks who were for discovery and other proponents of of the project even some of the component of the area and i feel like some good relationships are built there and it seems like going to be an ongoing thing so i'm looking forward to continuing building those relationships but there's this expression in our politics i think reagan said it first trust but verify and i think with that mentality in mind again drugs i understand completely the concerns that those people have providing for their families and so on and so forth but i don't see how pushing for the supplemental yes puts those jobs in jeopardy and made to la y the start of some of those jobs i don't see how it fits any of those jobs in in real jeopardy so perhaps supplement yes again would be appropriate there as well he concludes the last thing i want to say is that we talk about the cultural aspect you know sometimes we talk about the culture as being just iraq's past sites and when you look at some of the first accounts of westerners coming to what you it talk about entire communities coming to enjoy the beach together surfing thing in the sun and sand and we've talked a lot about shoreline access and i just want to make sure that we're having shoreline access for entire communities not just shoreline access for a couple families there's a lot of pressure on the parking at that at that area and what i see from their presentation is a net loss in the parking because the areas that they have any longest night duty right now they're shoreline parking in the dirt and the landscaping is going to eliminate the middle so we're going to we're going to lose four line access to lack of parking thank you needed that's the law the law says that an agency needs to look at overall and cumulative effects of an action and then an action shall be determined to have a significant effect on the environment involved irrevocably commitment to law or loss to loss or destruction of any natural or cultural resource it's pretty clear that this is irrevocable loss of a natural cultural resource you can't fix things once you've already done them the law is also pretty clear that the us also needs to address the cumulative effects of all eight hundred acres not just forty that cultural sites will be destroyed and the past culture of mckenna will be insulted by inviting only view elite who can afford luxury homes to live on this land also the future of this area's culture will be forever impacted my friends and i fish hunt and gather and spend time in th area we won't be welcome here period there will be beach access and parking will be limited on one week to ten spot so technically yes but those conditions exist in where they are to do you see fishing and gathering there no because we're not welcome there the culture of oily i does not welcome numerous times i've been one fishing at white rock and private security hired by local luxury homeowners have told us that we cannot be in the beach at night we know right so we stayed but we are well aware we are not welcome there i have friends who cannot afford to live on maui with the high cost of living if they cannot hunt fish or gather for their families in that area to me that is the most important part of the culture of the body that must be protected the peoples fundamental right to live off the land in the sea i have a statement written by my friend who used to be a former employee of the discovery land company in idaho he says in my hometown the d l c acquired a large portion of waterfront land to develop a private golf in late club this land  is an acquired had public docks launches and a restaurant our beautiful lake community has very few public access areas and restaurants in the d l c took over this property it took away all public access it's easy to see that the goal of the d l c is to provide a private exclusively of a living experience in beautiful areas all over the world and it comes at a major cost to the local population i have seen this firsthand in my hometown and would hate to see it happen again here that being said there is simply no positive growth for our local community in this project the wealthy will come and take and not give back that's what happened in my hometown local families will not feel welcome or respected they gave all their low level jobs to locals and all their high level jobs were taken by people who were you my name is barbara barry and i'm a resident of haiku and i love to go to the mccain area to enjoy the beautiful scenery and i have a couple of concerns with this project first of all it kind of reminds me of the whole development i saw through those hearings with all of you while numerous people testified about all of the things that were revealed through their minimal impact statement and why you decided at that point to ask for a full environmental impact statement because of the holes were not answered this the questions that were not answered one of the things that struck me  traffic report here is it seemed very idealistic that there would be just such a few number of cars coming and going in an early period of time i was super curious about what time of the year the twenty four hour count was taken in what was it you know the heat of the summer or was it in high season tourism and how far this impact on pilani highway went because as you know everybody uses that highway to come and go hate and the locals the tourists everyone so i think the impact should be really looked at throughout the whole highway as well as sulky he wrote because that's pretty much a parking high season so that was something that kind of struck me as we need more really needs and full to determine these these issues that the locals are going to have to deal with as well as you know anyone coming and going from this gated community i'm i'm a little concerned how cultural cultural practitioners are going to be able to access their cultural sites if it is a gated community is that going to be provided for you know will they have the code to the gate you know how are they going to get into to you know practices their cultural practices for better or so it feels like it's a segmented property even though a project even though they're saying it's not so easy i just urge you to look at that and ask for a full house you lose by having a full done and i know that many of the community members who could not be here today to testify because of work would also like this as well and i think it would give them some sort of peace of mind by having this done i think it's clear to see that the applicant has enough money that they can build this giant luxury development gated community development so they should have no problem to afford this c i s as well as many of the other maui county members don't want this development to continue by what the other testifiers there's a lot of cultural meaning in this area i heard someone say that there's no significant impact i don't see how destroying twenty seven cultural sites means that there's no significant impact that just seems extremely wrong also the fact that there's no affordable housing in this area it's just going to be shortly for the wealthy probably people who don't live here just are going to fly here not really care about that area or anything going on there and i think this is wrong and we have a obviously we have a housing problem here a homeless problem here i think this project is not going to benefit any of the white people or the native people or the full time working people of mali if someone can tell me how it is going to benefit maybe that could change some of our minds but i think until until the full environmental impact statement is required and completed and then we talk about how it's going to prove to serve the community as a whole then i think we can move forward but please require that th yes's don't have respect for the land and the people here thank you thank you does this development not benefit the native people there are six documented cultural sites as you know everyone has been saying and in this location my ancestors lived and prayed in this practice more flying up on the side so we can get this done resort and that's where the i think the distinction should be the separation of the development versus a resort these are going to be high end houses condos and it's going to be gated the people that live here the local people are not going to have access to that property at all it can be gated and i heard recently that one of the people that work for the project was saying that over a million dollars going to go to to mitigate the park assessment fees that should absolutely not be moved anywhere else it should be left in this location so cation is a prime for steen location that we cannot duplicate and once it's gone it's gone the purpose of an e a environmental assessment is you're assessing by disclosure all the conditions to make a determination if there will be a significant effect to the environment resulting from and in this case this development in the a typically offers a very uppers of way fewer opportunities for the public to comment or be involved in a more substantial the purpose of any i a s is a do a more detailed investigation and thoroughly and analyze and disclose the significant effects resulting from this improvement slash development and the impacts they kept saying that there's no there's not going to be any significant impacts i mean that's laughable i mean it's laughable we have we're miles away from the weather spot on earth which is quiet and valley has probably the second weather spot on  we're going to have torrential rains in that area and there's no way they're going to mitigate what's going to end up in that water and that ocean the ocean in that environment today is already in dire shape i think most people have circled there i mean it's not it's not pristine i've been coming to maui since one hundred seventy five and i remember going there and it was like a runaway says you're an aquarium now it's like you know all the fish are gone all the corals gone and i don't feel i mean you guys are have the responsibility here we're all trying to plead with you and beg you to understand that this is this is a once in a lifetime opportunity that we're giving you guys you know we're were pleading with you that this is the last chance that we're going to have to make any chance if this goes through a not a not  full because when they do a full there's going to be so much more research and knowledge that we can all gain by knowing that we're doing this right we have so many problems with the wireless six seventy with finding cultural sites that they didn't even know existed and we forced them to do more exposure more investigating so they found more sites and this is exactly the same situation same thing with all of all of the big you guys to know that you guys are sitting here we want to remember you guys in this planning commission for doing the right thing at the right time please please please thank you thank you they're snorkeled they're the ocean there right now it's kind of a tipping point you can see the algae growing on the coral already talking it out there's no way that developing this is not going to put more nutrients into the water and not only the developing it but the landscaping fertilizing the landscaping makes agriculture look like nothing so much more phosphorous goes into that there's just no way this development can go up without causing a major negative impact that's going to make the ocean look like a desert i mean residents use it they fish their tourists use it a dive there they snorkel tour boats go there and so it's going to impact a lot of people  and and to outside of the little bit that space is already overcrowded if you go there on a busy weekend day you know you've got a list of the any traffic studies that have been done it's it's already overcrowded if there's a development there not only taking up space but introducing more people there it's going to be that much more difficult for residents and tourists to be able to  mckenna a t c holding company all of the applicants for this and they're also the owners of all eight hundred acres of the mckenna gulf and we have heard the reservations are already being taken by a g c or discovery land for large logs being sold above the mckenna golf course these are in house sales are not publicly available but basically this is a golf and club not just the forty seven acres but the whole eight hundred acres if you look at the website for discovery land it describes a village and the few homes up above in the estates and a wide variety of things in it it mentions eighteen hundred acres of the whole beach and golf course is this whole thing so we really should get real would say it is about the whole thing the former owner mr darling you know made many of the same promises about going beyond the county standards protect resources and he was also  developer this land could find and he's a very nice person and the folks from discovery land are very nice people but this isn't about how nice the news is about why are we following the law or not we're ownership change to a t c a lot of darling's promises which were state of the art about mitigating runoff and things like that we're just kind of pushed to the side we don't know we don't know what you're going to happen so it's best to kind of minimize things as best we can no matter what anybody's to do based on the approval process to do the f e m a provide enough information to conclude there's no impact to our water resources to our groundwater to our streams or to the cultural practices that connect to them well my conclusion is there's really not enough information provided there's discussion of to walk refers that are involved providing water for the project and i know the commission want to know where the water was who number two well on the e l o october and that the irrigation water is coming from the come all the offer from existing mckenna a golf course wells now would use of these wells have any impact on the aqua first streams or anything else and unfortunately as i said we just don't have this information in the final d n a we know that will be using a well in the office for this well had any a and it had a fonzie but in a we did not get any information on the water quality testing other than the chlorides will pay after pumping a few days the department of health asked that the arsenic levels be tested but they weren't  because you know they just haven't done that level yet we don't know these things we don't know if it's going to impact the do choose and reservoirs that are near their leaky water and to the op was for is that going to make that well by a bull and of things change in these irrigation systems are commissioners my name is dick mayer i've been involved in this project one way or another for a long long time because of the planning commission early the system i was in the planning commission in the early seventy's when my layer went through testified at the state land use commission hearings i reviewed the initially way back in one nine hundred seventy four seventy five and been following this for a long time i was also on the  advisory committee that they put together and in that letter they sent this out in vegas joint is a thank you for greed dissipate as a representative member we'll take a look group for the mckenna resort masterplan community advisory group this was not an advisory group for the discovery land or for this particular project this was for the whole mckenna resort i think that's important that was the applicant for this project is not discovery land several people have said this actually a t c holdings  they are the applicant for this is you can see right from your minutes their project is a much larger one than this six simple developments that have you have before you today during our discussions on the on the those numbers this is an m one and two and three and four there's s one two three four five six seven eight nine ten etc there are all these different units this is just one part of a much larger project and i think you need to recognize that they have said this and that's in the legal operation they're supposed to consent to discuss the whole thing secondly the yes that was done back in seventy four seventy five is woefully out of date of several people pointed out and even in that statement back then over forty years ago they wrote that this is only in the initial evaluation also in that document they put down then last page of my testimony you'll see the actual quotes there they said alternative mitigat measures were considered for each section but not discussed in this report they go on to say such discussions have not been summarized in this report or have been for unresolved issues been discussed and they go on and on discussing that their own  that's the basis for the whole mchenry's work including this particular parcel so we do not have a d i s properly done is certainly not relevant to today at present with regard to impacts and people mentioned then i don't have time to go through all but a significant one one that when we look at is the key hay community plan which has numerous statements in there one of which talks about affordable housing having to be built on site on every project itself now it's that is not being build these luxury homes for for their wealthy residents and almost make it impossible for other hawaiians to buy and afford it compete against these expensive homes the original yes the school would be built on this mckenna property they make no reference they talk about their children having to go all the way across mckenna function all the way across to hate to schools that are on the other side a while later when they are sick seventy there are so many elements in this that need to be looked at beach in golf club you will see on the air that between every one of those go is a tall trees that they are planning as part of their landscaping plan to attract because those that website is a true one with just the one they are going to use to market these properties so what you're getting is a two sided thing on the one hand they attitudes on how we should do things and what is one of the concepts that keeps bothering me is we keep saying that we got too much in our choosing too much fertilizer running into the ocean well what happened to all the stuff in the agriculture that we and you know it's a predictable kind of thing it's not like the other fertilizer you use if you've got heavy rains it leaches out you've got to fertilize again and then you have these these peaks is going to be too much fertiliser not enough too much and that 's not the way technology is the and most of us are aware of this that part that's one thing the other thing is a common sense about us they have eighteen hundred acres how long isn't replaced by the wind up and that's the point i'd like to make thank you very much and thanks to about the protection of cultural resources and mckenna and the threat to close in the kind of a road that was a coastal road an old government road that was open and in use for vehicular purposes at the time at the time who it was with wisdom appointed elmer covello value is our mayor as mediator it was one of the great experiences of my life participate mediation within short order he guided us to an amicable agreement by which we agreed to  mckenna resort people we've done so i've heard this claim for a supplemental for eight hundred acres there's no merit in that claim there's no segmentation here there would be no point in making these people study eighteen thousand acres excuse me one thousand eight hundred acres for which they have no plans at the point of any n e a is to study property for which you have a plan the plan is right if you have no plans for the eight hundred acres what are you going to get out of that has nothing the fact that dick may or may have thinks that they've got plans for some of it if the plans aren't right they're not ready to go forward with any of those plans a supplemental as for those eight hundred acres would be totally meaningless and there's no support in the law for that in fact there are a couple of cases one on the big island where why and homes did a master plan for their property why mana came in to do a power plant the small portion of that property they didn't for that and later on there was a challenge to that but the starting off with the need was appropriate and determined to be that dick seems to have forgotten about the airport case and we had the  airport put as its third phase of parallel runway but the airport said in there yes we're not going to build that runway for another two three thirty years we don't want we're going to build it so we're not going to study the impacts of that our court said well if you're not going to build what's the point of studying in x and said fine yes on the first two phases are fine when if you come forward and want to build a parallel runway to the us that's where we are now we've got someone who's wants to go forward with forty seven acres and that's it so there's no point in what these people are asking for with respect to the government roads there's going to lot of misinformation here i saw in their materials are claiming that there's mckenna road you folks may or may not remember that you approve new we project which is immediately below this one where that road poured into them exist please wrap it up ok it doesn't exist anymore and it doesn't exist above the project so opening a road in between two places where it's been already agreed to doesn't exist and it was closed thirty three years ago makes no sense finally on the views all wrapped up i've been an advocate for view protection of what brings me here today is my deep concern about the misinformation and distortion of facts the spread by maori tomorrow and the rallying cry of save mckenna just last night i received a copy of an email blast from our tomorrow urging people to show up for this mee providing talking points again cea as well as a fill in the blank sample letter in form testimony e mail contain a section with the following charge archaeological an historically significant sites would be destroyed after claiming without evidence that many cultural sites and representative mckenna resort as well as a field ourselves for the project on a walk through to visit sites that supposedly had been missed by professional archaeologists we began to the site that is literally just across from the fence from another privately owned unfortunately after four hours near the young wine women whose focus the visit nor the maui tomorrow represent individuals were able to find any sites that they identified while trespassing on the land earlier this year because  is now closed to questions from the commissioners and then you said that all but in the future you're going to happen within the resort correct so what i said was that we're very interested in having affordable housing at mckenna currently focusing on this project and our energy is going into into this one and we are planning to satisfy the affordable housing squire meant for this project using the credits however the group when we when we get our energy and when we can move forward with an additional project at some time in the future we're committed to working with having portable housing amicable so i guess where i'm going with that then is that you do have plans on continuing on on the screen that would be fantastic  actually with the parcel not just of the parcels but like the streets roads it's about are there we go yeah ok that's good enough so on the right hand part of the screen there i see as the roads kind of continue on and then it stops right at the parcel line but i happen to notice that those aren't called the sacks those are just streets that are going to continue at some point in time that's correct that that connects to the  parcel that's a project that was previously brought in front of this commission approved and is in construction to underway right ok so i guess i'm just getting i guess conflicting maybe one day a developer who you know a company that does develop you know might possibly develop i'm just having a hard time saying that this is standalone the aid does take into account ok well it is indeed a standalone project yeah i'll be able to tell you a little bit about the specifics of the site but mike davis here he's archaeologist and he'll be able to give you a better understanding of the context of archaeology and what happens at the different stages of months with scienti so that seventeen sites post a yes that i'll go through further mitigation if you've been doing this a long time you know that's a huge amount that's a very large percentage of sites that will be undergoing data recovery and preservation especially for a forty seven acre parcel the other sites have no further work they've been fully documented through photographs or excavation plainview drawings and we submit that today as h p d and they concurred with us at these sites are interpretive center on the site with the scription so where they came from how old they are what their function was and how they were manufactured those downsized cliche around  seven to ten percent of the sites are saved and they're saved based on their preservation quality if they have a unique feature to it so it is such a hayao there are always preserved burial sites sometimes agricultural sites and things the landscape we're dealing with now in the ten of those forty seven acres is not an ideal archaeological landscape it's been bulldozed through time how's the piggery so a lot of the sites on there are quite disturbed i could take you to a hundred other places around the island very pristine sites so we can choose to say this is a good example of agriculture from pre contact times this is a good it is storage site that showed pending of animals or corrals things like that habitation areas different activity areas and again this doesn't occur in a vacuum we preserved hundreds and hundreds of sites throughout the mckenna region and these are the best of the best and they do take up land for instance where preserving a corral that takes up sixteen thousand square feet on this forty seven acres that's a pretty big chunk of land you could fit a disease germs inside of it probably would it be fair to summarize that there's a lot of sites there because there's a lot of action there i wouldn't say there's actually a lot of sites there thirty six for forty seven acres it's not bad again site distribution isn't determined by the size of the parcel it's location you get on the road and we've found two hundred ninety eight sites with fifteen hundred features if we go to the other side of the newell of the upper part of the six seventy we found six so it's a term and by the landscape itself i wouldn't say it was a dense distribution of sites in this area but perhaps in the middle and on did you do interviews with with a pointer to just did they show you sites prior to you go in there or do you have to one discover yourself we actually go out and do it independently by ourself and do use archaeological methods first we do the surveys and he and everyone set up with the the cultural groups we've gone out with them we've also gone out with the status sort preservation people three times we've gone out with concerts community members multiple times so it's a very inclusive process and it's cumulative through time and that's the nature of archaeology we learn more knowledge through time thank you thank you masterplan projects are assessed through an e i process as you've heard today there are no plans beyond this project for mckenna resort at this time but they can take revised statutes out to three point three it depends highly on the level of public involvement in the two additional public through processes which would be triggered by going to an environmental impact statement process and as process so it's very difficult to put a timeline on it but it's not something that can be done very easily it would take easily years to complete years so for in that order in those four years have you guys put in any any mitigating efforts to have to stop the flow into the bay minor approval from the county for improvements separate from this project but near it at mckenna landing for some additional capture of the storm water in that area on that's what we have the mining well so what we're saying is that you are subject to the as semi law and you have to at minimum file an s m s assessment and if to me assessment can turn into a miner permit  it can turn into an exemption or you can be told that you don't qualify for a minor an exemption and it gets bumped up to a major premise of pretty much any type of action is subject to the  special management area ok excuse me and just as a point of clarification i thought you were talking about this project area but on the h m o project i think one of the testifier spoke to some of the erosion control measures on the approved h m s m a project and some of the you know more than usual b m p actions that were taken recently on that area i just want to get into a lot of people talk about how you guys go above and beyond and  et laid off a lot of people and mckenna a lot of my friends lost their jobs few of them were a bit to retain it but they're only the ones that had you know higher education a little more and higher skills and when we say oh you know these people that they really care well there's a way to do things i feel you could of could have shut down parts of the hotels i mean we have hotels around cross maui that they were innovations for years and they kept they kept open and kept things going and when i looked at the pros and cons of this development it was it was it we're going to have workers or construction workers but the question now what is working now are the employees of the hotel to still be working and then there's nothing does many hotel employees i mean workers had in the hotel as we are when it's it's all built up and so  i want to make sure that you guys are in the right things and norah said the other mean we had we had the first building that came up that i believe this planning commission was very opposed to and i believe it was another architect these you guys switch firms is i don't remember this gentleman speaking at the last meeting i thought was a hawaiian gentlemen and oppose it the first time those groups were working and we have this group focused on that so so that the first presentation was a different company it was a collaboration look like there was another company who's not here today that that was involved in the first presentation and and in that first presentation i know some months later you guys got approval so you guys came to us and we said we didn't like it and then a month later you guys had alternative that you showed to the urban review board yes it was we utilized alternative materials and concept designs but we didn't change the floor plans or the or the buildings so they were integrated into the into the facade design and actually i believe i need to correct a prior statement that i made which is that the for those units that were refined it is the same architect it was the same architect we had we have a collaborative team that includes a number of practitioners and the presenter was from another group but the actual architect who was doing the plans for those units that were refined was working in the background all the time it could be possible that you guys had two sets of plans and you guys gave us one and then when we checked the one in you days and with the urban reasonable design board with another thirty days to to redo everything i think is an astounding with them on time it was it was closer organization and and that i know employees of discovery land has been telling clients visitors that their next plan with your board that you have up in the in the gulf area we have all your homes and you have that other lot there that nobody's telling them that that's our next face i can't speak for everybody because i'm not everywhere at all times i don't know that that this project is a standalone project it has independent utility and it is the only plan only application that we have and you know that's an action at this time and that we're focused on i'm sorry then answer my question i mean you know what we're trying to get at and you know and we have to look at both sides just look at the good things you guys are doing but we have to make sure like the german says we have to verify trust and verify facts and unfortunately in mali it hasn't happened i indicated i concur with there in january of two thousand and sixteen i asked for the company to consider preserving planes while a of annoying road to the ocean i suggested at that time that the project was backwards that the large paul buildings should be pushed further away from the roadway and down the  morning in three minutes now this is the slope from illinois you drive down to the ocean and you have the shoreline the horizon to horizon  the mass of the building itself is almost insignificant while they are learning try the mass of the buildings that were being presented with here although the pic of you is beautiful if i walk twenty feet this way and looking at a five story building and it's not a pretty sight from from the road we sell so the question that i have is that there's some mathematical way to figure out how to preserve everybody's to figure out how the person on the roadway can still see the horizon still see the ocean and still see the islands off in the distance and determining what the heights of the single family building should be what the maximum height of the multi story building should be in order to preserve preserve that situation but i didn't see and it's not off the wall if it can and has been considered and as part of the planning process is and we can bring up dawn v a to discuss that as he leaves our our planning group that they were taking their lead on the massing from them out t hey mechanic community plan and in there it describes that they want lower rise buildings near the most high you know the shoreline and to have the higher rise buildings to be more mouth and in addition as we've discussed it with the community members in the neighbors that mckenna the existing homes are all low rise down along the shore line and people felt that if there were large setbacks and low rise buildings on the lower areas along the shoreline that it would blend better with the existing homes and then to conform to the hey community plan to increase the height as you don't mouth  worked hard to maintain you corridors that we we were able to observe that in order by moving buildings and trying to keep those open long term and another thing that we work to do was b by including the village we offer an opportunity to actually pull off the highway and come down and hang out in the village in the village has a covered bridge across it across the drainage where payables and rest areas and the and the interpretive center and they'll be shops where you can get lunch or dinner coffee and you can stop for a while and really enjoy the view and we set up the view planes from that those who are foundation of the came from many many discussions to make sure that the building type and mass and development type is sympathetic to the neighborhood the existing single storey neighborhood along the makati old mckenna road that was one of the reasons steeply as you you can see in this section that does go across the site and what we were trying to do there was to use that differences slope for a couple reasons one to slip parking  underneath that and up against that slope so that we're using some of that slows to take out building mass and then secondly placing those buildings some point down that slope and that's why we ended up with a larger setbacks that you saw on the site plan to use some of that additional slope to take down the building mass when you are on the ten island in the road so that that was the rationale for how we located buildings maintains that identified in all of the plants as significant presentation but it doesn't appear that that one it wasn't done because it would be in contraven that but for the most part most of the buildings were down in order to try to preserve and i think the opposite happening in this case i can see where you know you want to put parking underneath but you can put parking underneath on the lower side as well as you could the people on the makati side of the property are not going to be sitting on their porch gazing  project was evaluated to respect the following urban design standards listen within the key a mechanic community plan and understand or it says this is from page one forty eight understanding it says limit resort development throughout the region to thirty five feet in building height for sites near the shoreline building height limits may gradually increase up to seventy five feet for inland resort development provided that important malcolm are maintained and impacts to coastal resources a minimize resort community planning and design shall integrate recreational amenities and adequate your line setbacks and public sure align act with access for that so we were using that as a guide as we did what we did we now and what the proposal is and currently there is going to use round numbers right now currently there is thirty three percent of you ocean of ocean view as you travel on the ten island we wrote our proposal is about that or a percentage or two within that  a truce and the landscape plan for the project i don't think so all of the trees are going to disappear when you do grading the project that means all of the views are going to be opened  completed it'll be a clean slate so the idea is looking at how the commission's job is not just to preserve that existed it's and one of the very important guiding principles of this project is obviously to conform with a couple requirements and legislation that comes into play  that's the reason why we're in the midst of the environmental assessment process to view analysis that was prepared that is part of the final as you've heard today  was it was upgraded to these photo realistic renderings which took a bit of time to to get to that level of detail but we feel that the view impact analysis certainly commissioners question or comment about the condition of existing conditions along the roadway there the whole way administrative rules the action so essentially when you're assessing potential impacts of a proposed action looking at an existing condition which is obviously the case here because it's an undeveloped site i'll just read from the rules but it says that a description of the environment in the vicinity of the action as it exists before commencement of the action so we wanted to be sure that the view impact analysis that we provided in the environmental assessment itself was based on the existing condition so what don plus side although although i still feel that my comment from last year was blown up on the plus side i think that what you folks have done in terms of setting new stand at asking you to do that again or to quote the yes route for the party seventy but this particular you can easily put the tall buildings in the front oceanside because of sheer drop office you have plenty of you with houses at higher grades and i think that should have been examined and looked at can i ad one comment that should effect because i feel it it's very important these documents take obviously a lot of work to put together but one thing i do want to stress is the amount of coordination and number of meetings that occurred with the department of planning as we went through this process and so the policy that don had had read from the t t plan was it was stipulated at the very outset to be a very shoreline and so that was really a driving mechanism for where we've ended up today was the applicants intent to comply with what we believe the intent was that the community plan houses behind them used to have eels out in the hills so that is she will just so matter balancing along this theme of use so we've got thirty three percent of you right now but the other preserve thirty three percent because you've let ya be grow and it's now you know there's just no way sensitive for you guys to cut down to that and then say oh well now it's fifty percent now we have to maintain fifty percent so is to use the benchmark of preserving as it exists now i understand that the spirit of it is is to maintain kind of what commissioner is talking about that you know when my daughter rides her bike along that fifty years from now is you know what is she going to see and not and so i just think that there's i don't know if i have a question in here for you or not but it's just like it just seems as though to go to thirty three percent so now we're good guys because we're going to maintain that or make it better it just seems a little bit misguided or it just seems a little bit i'm not saying you guys are disingenuous because as as other people have said what you guys are doing is setting a new standard and i like that i mean just what you guys are doing in the way you're trying to go about it is fantastic but i just think that give us a little slice here and a little slice there and another little slice there and then think that we're supposed to feel grateful for that i'm just having a hard time about part of that and whether or not we have to flip everything or do whatever it is i don't know but it just seems like anyway want to say that i'm not against the project but i'm not sure and there's a couple reasons why first i'm concerned about the exclusive video of this project i'm concerned of  course that we all used to go to on the weekend they were not allowed to anymore it's not that we're not allowed to golf there it's we're not allowed to even drive there and see the scenic stare or enjoy a restaurant or you know like like every other private place four seasons you know you can drive through there walk through the lobby runway layer i'm fortunate to have a business on the big island and i was fortunate to to be a vendor to kill which is also discovery land property the irony is i'm not allowed on that property because just like this property it's exclusive it's a wall of lava with the gate and mighty gates open up and the fortunate and the hard rock hard working they get to go and enjoy this great area but there's no beach access to be jacked this is all around it's not discovery land fall that there is mckenna landing at there's mckenna you're mccann and all these people getting heated gated blocked off the scenery and the trees and all that that's not your fault but it's not our fault either this planet commission has our duty to do what we're supposed to do and we can't speak for other people's exemptions or what they allow and i think and i think that's the concern that most people have seen is that we've seen what has happened we've seen that even though they've kept their buildings at two stories the trees are all of four stories and there's no view we've seen that open places have become to their resorts and it's coming to a place where mckenna where i've been with with my with my son  which are not allowed to camp a very much but we've camped there on the beach we've you know fish for a lot we my sister was married at the church and it's just not the same and it's not your fault that it's not the same but you guys can help and how you guys can help is this land is so valuable that people are willing to spend millions millions of dollars just for the lot and for built house just for the  then they're spending more money just to be part of an exclusive club and that's what you sell you so expect is the exclusive golf club that only certain people can go to so what you what you're doing is you is you is unfortunately again not your fault it could kill you've done in idaho you've done it in wyoming on your website it says that's what you offer so weak what we cannot see and how great you treat employees because you don't want to deal with the rest of the community and that is a concern you're cutting off the rest of them are we you want us to do to let you do certain things is it wanted to let you do certain things you want to trust you  you're talking about mitigation for for this forty seven acres or but the golf course you're on there's nitrogen levels that we know are tested high and i've seen nothing about all you know we already started here because we on this planet have the permit to try and fix this i haven't seen anything in this in this assessment that deals with how you're going to build these homes which is in this book mining that's what you have in here your construction is mining you've got a mine and you know you need to need a min wow so you guys have a tough task it's not your fault but this is the reality that we're at today i cannot support this as it is it's not that i would not support it because i don't feel it fits the criteria it's not because i don't want you to have a private club that's personal there's nothing to do with the decision it has to do with we have to make sure that that we take care of the land our decision is going to last past us  i received several questions in those comments but we're very hopeful so we can at least train do today is address the questions that you you have you know the final document it's obviously taken considerable work to put together and we've gone to a lot of public process where the community has provided a lot of input as well as the commission when we came before the commission on the draft  t back to the commissioners comments i noted down what i thought were the main questions one is obviously a concern about possibly getting access to the project itself the other is know how is this going to affect shoreline access which in this particular case were the projects located malka the old mckenna road so i mining is your in your in your erases mining mine mine ok if it's a question about how the site would be improved in order to construct the homes we have a civil engineer here with us today  become better and help make the project better with regards to public access this particular project does have public access the village is designed to be completely open to the public it's especially designed to be trinity gathering place that concept came from meetings with our community groups and with the neighbors many of them saying we want to you know as mckenna evolves we want to place where we can go and meet each other and  talk and gather and that is one of the components of this it's a fairly substantial component another is has to do with gates and was excited so i know you pointed out some of the projects along  in that area they do have high gates and walls that surround the perimeter you'll notice in our renderings and in our design we do have we do have a gate just at access points but we have created a design more open we're not putting walls around the perimeter of the project we're going to keep it open for abuse and keep it open for that open feeling that includes both the h m project where along the preserved complete access road from queen on a highway all the way down to chua bay which was substantial and that's entirely open to the public and we also built a cultural interpretive center that's in operation and it's shared with the public and school children go to the cultural interpretive center palais zoo and the docent teaches them about the cultural practices and the history and the archaeological archaeology of the area and there's trails word knowledge to be shared and they have overnights and they learn about the stars and so we need to do that at the thing we need to do more of that i appreciate  chile i've got a question for tyler tyler one of the testifiers had a question that i did as well which is in your traffic study your twenty four hour traffic study what with time with here what day was that study done that you did an extensive amount of work trying to get as much input as possible into in the project i had mixed emotions about this particular project from several points one is  on a commissioner brought up a good point we're all volunteers we're all community members and basically when we look at any project we look at it from the standpoint of what is best for the community and i think one of the things that we always look at is to be sure that input that is made is address to the point that for example this morning we had a plan step forward and mention about the alignment of the elevation of the buildings and i thought he made a good sense of our large buildings doesn't have to be all on the top like mr had done he said elevation wise it could be fur to call point down and then having a single family someplace else but at that same time preserve the vision of the view for future generations i think our younger to hold mentioned up if you're not going to use thousand eight hundred acres and you have to do in our houses the ologies study it's very expensive and it's not worth it if you're not going to use but however i think if you own that property i think it behooves you to have a long range plan to say exactly what you're doing now we just stand alone forty seven acres is to have community input like you've done this past year i was totally surprised to see them on a testimony that went along especially when you started this project two thousand and sixteen and  representative said on this particular point that's why i asked the question for you at the first media when the applicant had asked for input and if you're not there why are you here when is the final looking at preserving our environment oceans wind etc and i think that's important and one more point i just wanted to make is that when you look at public access and parking stall for forty seven acre is not acceptable i think there should be more area for public to be able to get access to the beach and especially things like close gated community is unacceptable and that is because he didn't say while they're in his shop at one time that parking stall was open for the public today you have to pay in order to go into that area which makes it less accessible for the public to cool down to marry or to be able to walk the trail and we don't want that happening  boston as well and i think some of the suggestions you have filthy parks etc is a very good idea about communicating and having that kind of cooperation with the community been talked about a few times today to testimony and i think the commission is common a t c mckenna holdings a lot of land within the resort s but they are publicly available so the ownership of mckenna resort has agreement to the county for them to be privately maintained to e t c maintain the parks but  there they look and appear as any other county beach park so i want to focus a little bit on the on the beach parks in the immediate area because i think it is relevant in the conversation while it's not to in one case the mechanic landings for example upgrade and i am trying to use the correct words but upgrading beautify i can a landing beach park and so there's actually been a lot of work  on that over the past couple of years with the department of parks and recreation and the intent is to go in and renovate and beautifying mckenna landings so it's beach there's that other park that's called model walk a park that again is owned by the mechanic and is privately maintained and available for public is a requirement also for the ownership to expand that park by one point five acres and again that's another item of work that's been happening separate this project but it's it's a requirement that the ownership of mckenna resorts feels that they want to move forward with because it's it's improving public beach access and public beaches in the area so i wanted to just throw the commission's attention to that specifically i know it may not necessarily address the beach parking comment but there is also a requirement for mckenna resort to add additional beach parking in the vicinity of those beach parks so it will be provided into the future it's maintained the severity there's actually been quite a lot of meetings with the department of public works to agree upon a plan for improving that street and one of the items that has been agreed upon with the county department of to have to leave which is going to be before the and i'm assuming but i'm going to do a three sixty i have actually one of the commissioners that's been here with you from the beginning and i think that you have done and you for getting the name of the street but really it's going to be a net loss because of all the parking that you know we drive down there now everybody parks on the side road you get all the kayak guys you get you know the commercial people everything like that and so a lot of that's going to be a net loss and for you to say you know just now that ultimately you're going to have to increase parking for us locals i'm looking at that map and going i so suddenly if i'm going to go there again with my daughter you're going to have parking somewhere around have to hike down to mckenna landing the parking second to go next to mccann landing because we're developing it out so where is the parking going to go it's a good comment there is limitations of this way in terms of the amount of land that's available in the area the slide the brian has up on the screen shows the locations of the beach parks in the area and then the one furthest to the right which is on the south end of malacca beach probably know it well there's a turnaround there in the parking stalls there so together there's there's actually also ten additional comment about needing to be additional parking stalls it's easy mckenna holdings is certainly in the midst of evaluating feasible locations the additional parking to be provided as part of concern regarding article i just want to add this and i intend to do it i seriously wish that you would consider is his concerns regarding the in addition to the two scenarios that we'll talk about there is a third which is a deferral of the finally and that says if you find that additional information is required to make a determination on the final  final or prepare an environmental impact statement that's your three choices that are outlined in the memo that the department prepared for you thank you and the other discussion commissioner  shows just i guess just briefly i don't feel as though there is enough information in this tome for me to approve maybe more alternatives could be brought forward be addressed to reap impact the best managers practices could be revaluated unarticulated the archaeological sites should be reviewed by another person i think once done the thing can be undone this project has a minimum lifespan of fifty years i will be here and this project will still be here but my children will be here and their children's children will be here so the decision we make today affects us for a long time because it seems most of the work for him was already completed i think three to five years is unreasonable i don't see any reason any reason that all this project should move any meeting we had one walk through and there's five volumes that we go through and and we did we gave the twenty comments most of them were addressed some of them weren't such as a few planes think on a lot of things that we heard sounds good but we need to move for mission on it and and i'm i'm going further i'm in favor of a deferment for more information i don't want to push this project back but i don't want to push it forward thinking that it's good as it commission i have a hard time supporting approval as is only because i think more analysis should be done on the view perspectives because i think that developer has demonstrated that by substituting single family for the multifamily buildings they have opened up cory you know for the for the project and it's demonstrated in the in the business that was never displayed i think that can be expanded and i think  council would want to say something but i think it is it seems it seems the intent of the their mission is to be heard to get additional information before they consider a point ok if  since i created all these problems i'm not going to be on the commission when it comes back either but i think the two of us so good  this this project is specifically defined by a project area as we talked about in five and six or seven b c and the improvements to the neighboring roadways it doesn't created and perhaps also with this add the ten spots who were in discussion of see if you guys can increase the number count so that the project and so if and i again i don't have specifics for you but if you could just look at the community me plan i mean obviously we're talking about the quarter so there's something in regard to  that but the other side of it as far as just you know horrible housing is supposed to be on site in the keep a mechanic community plans there's some there's some items that one of the testifiers spoke to that i think should be addressed as well regard to affordable housing one of things yes following time of what those waters should catch per lot i think might i think when it goes with the construction when you put a come back to give a detail of how the construction is going to be in maybe phases of three of the mining and the lane of the lot us in understanding that also lets them know truthfully what is the what is the ten year plan for land discovery in this area well enough to be fifty but in the next ten years truthfully what is your plan because if there is no the marine biologist talked about automated sensors and instrumentation in the best management practices as far as like so fences and things of that nature so we could somehow have  that incorporated in that would mitigation you folks are using for the for the golf course and trying to contain the matrix in that that's been happening appreciate that thank you commissions on yes i'd like to get an explanation of the increase from forty party to sixty feet in height and if that applies to  think is together i guess it was the loss of parking on old mckenna road was discussed and as a result you wanted to look at increasing the tense each parking stars on one of the street as close as possible to the housing and then regarding affordable housing some might be commission of council mentioned you want a more substantive discussion on affordable housing and i got that  that well would affect the sustainable yield of there is a question on amount of water used for the pools and i think the response was that it was already incorporated into the overall water usage numbers but i think there was a question on what type of pools i guess maybe a further clarification on that correct me if i'm wrong if any of these don't need to be discussed  there was i guess a testifier that talked about the automatic sensors that could be used to measure water quality to help with the measuring of water quality and so i think there was a question on possibly looking at that and i think it was mentioned that there are there are some some type of measuring devices that's part of the low impact know you want to know the ten year plan for discovery  you want to know also what they're doing for the community as you are aware of some things like park that they're paying a daily fee that they're planning to allow a charity event to use their facilities so you want them to discuss that a little bit further the you would like more discussion on that two thousand and sixteen resource protection map  even though it was an incorporated as part of the marianna plan i understand you want that discussed a little bit o rock and coral that is and understand my writing that is proposed on some of the buildings you want to know where that's going to be coming from  you want them to discuss further their mitigation for the golf course runoff even though it's not part of this project and you want the explanation additional explanation as i think they had indicated several times that because of this and any plan policy which we have talked with them about that says building shall be buildings along the shoreline should not be higher than thirty five feet and they did come and talk with the department and is trying to eliminate buildings and i think it was talked about in trying to eliminate buildings the accommodated for the loss of units by adding it adding that's all i have am i missing any regarding of you playing specifically looking at really ordering the three positioning the buildings to see the possibility of looking at putting taller buildings close to the ocean so you know and we first i think that was my first comment yeah i just want make sure that thank you and i'll work with mark on language you know he got notes i got notes which just on that first one is is i understand what you said but i thought i heard different i thought it was it was an explanation of why you know it's we didn't say why are you moving the building it was more of what you're trying to  figure building and come into view plain so i mean it's kind of a justification of what we want to do less buildings around to go higher and then we can go lower because we can't go past thirty five and i think the question or the comment was just we don't care how you do can ok let me just say from my perspective some of the testimony that we got today from organizations like the sierra club which monitored and engaged in a six hundred per