the use permit for the dragon form for a crystal and larry schmidt and i've known them for many years i've bought their products for the about a good fifteen years that i always use when i do any events in maui i use their baby greens organic baby grains and their products are always perfect never have buggies are on them and very fairy fresh  and their business how they run their business is very nice it's very open i can go to their farm and go in their cooler and grab the stuff and pay them later if necessary if they're not there and if they very much deserve to get this condition we use permit because as ya know farming is not easy and there's weather conditions to deal with and so on and so forth and the additional income for using their property for special events like weightings in the so on and so forth will really help them balance out their their economic situation and so the work really good they're very very good members of this this island of ours very easy to deal with they treat everyone really well treat me really well any problems they take care of it and so on and so forth  eye i think that crystal and larry stand very tall in the among the good guys of maui the various been very very great people to deal with so thank you business on maui for over six years i have known crystal and laura schmidt through both personal and business relationships i know they are hardworking people who love our island our i know and who would like to contribute to the island in who are people with high integrity and character what i like most about maui dragon fruit farm as an event venue it's down to earth feeling even though the farm is not even close to anything like curious it showcases the natural beauty of our island from its panoramic ocean view to majestic west maui mountain view it embodies maui is the best as an event specialist i feel it is important that we can let our visitors know that maui not only boasts many world class  has a variety of natural sites that can fit fill their needs this gives a good advantage to compete among other islands and among other destinations to locals this natural venue enables them to celebrate in a relaxed and casual way and also makes their events affordable to allow them out a dragon for him to host special event will help the farm to diversify their income stream so that the farm can sustain regardless of it adverse farming hard and so what's happened is we need to make money in other ways because the dragon free is it paying the bills yet hopefully it will hopefully all pay a lot of our bills down the road and there's a lot of risks involved in agriculture as you guys may recall what happened with the prior crops here brings but virus wiped out the entire industry i'm in a very brief period also there's the risk of outside competition if they decide to which they are already growing dragon fruit in the  philippines even if we're very successful we have to compete globally with them and then the third thing is we're learning about this prop so for example last summer as you guys might remember we had quite a bit of rain on the west side well that rain coincided when the dragon fruit was producing flowers and caused our yields to be lower so we're learning about that trying to get around that step and that's one of the main reasons why we're asking you folks to let us do specially them south there because the special events do provide additional income to the farm that should be very stable it's a beautiful venue and people love it and it really is a very low impact way for us to make some extra money  council members my name is tony davis i'm submitting my testimony here to support my dragon fruit farms conditional use permit application to host special events at the farm i have known crystal and larry smith for more than fifteen years c and i got our m b a degree together through the university of hawaii neighbor island m b a program both chris and larry are very driven and hard working individuals with all the education that they got i believe they could pursue any careers and become good at it however krystle and lawrence decided to become full time organic farmers of course i was a little surprised when beginning when they decided to switch from other careers to farming however once i understand their passion their determination to commercialize dragon fruit growth on maui i started to think that is fortunate that we all have people like chris and larry on maui dragon fruit could one day become big on maui and we might really get an industry going on our island in two thousand and ten planning we gain began implementation of comprehension economic development strategy to increase food and energy self sufficiency between eighty and ninety percent of hawaii's food is imported and island as an island isolated in the middle of the pacific our food supply is vulnerable to natural disasters and global events sustainability in self sustainability and self reliance are top of our priorities so i understand that making a living as a full time farmer can be very challenging to ensure proper cash flow crystal and larry expanded their lettuce production in haikou to help support the establishment of the dragon hina however the weather condition can change anytime can cause crop failure unexpectedly i live in moscow out and i know that some places it rains her and us and it wipes out their produce in a matter of days over the years i have seen custom larry work hard to make their farming work they overcame one obstacle after another their vision to make maui the capital city of the dragon fruit in the us and their determination to succeed that is inspiring hosting special event at the farm will allow them to diversify their income stream and help stabilize their farm operations your approval of their application will greatly help their farm to become sustainable thank you tony  five in santa cruz california which at that time was the heart of the organic industry so i've had a lot of experience over the decades dealing with farmers and their very situations and natural foods store owners all know that we need the farmers we need direct connections with the farmers the farmers are healthy our business is healthy and so we do everything we can to support our direct farmers that we deal with directly now i our most popular packaged diamonds serves that community as their most favorite organic salad mix which is not easy to come by also they're the only source of organic dragon fruit that i'm aware of on the island maui crystal and larry schmidt have been supplying us with fresh organic greens for many years and dragon fruit has been coming on in greater quantities for a number of years they delivered to our store three baby green mix i consider to be the best of what's available to me as organic salad mix and of course the dragon fruit is delicious i recommend it to you and you've had it before but it's the only source i know of organic right now so i do want to support that and help them grow it and sell it dealing with both local and mainland farmers on a regular basis i know that farming is a risky business we have a joke in my industry that the farmer who won the lottery when asked what he was going to with all of that money so he paid off all his debts and then just continue farming until the money ran out but aside from all of that kind of stuff it's just tough for a farmer to deal with the weather conditions and here we have on maui we have them and so they can go for a long time without being able to harvest their food and salad so this is an excellent way for them to make supplementary income in order to keep their business healthy which will enable all of us on maui to enjoy excellent excellent food that comes in their farm i understand that they're applying for a conditional use permit to host special events at the farm to try to earn the supplemental income and i am here on behalf of why moons to support their efforts so that they can survive in the long run regardless of adverse farming conditions your support of them will benefit our island and our natural food industry here on the line thank you and i guess i am the lone dissenting voice here among the testifiers today as you probably start by saying that i don't actually know the applicants personally and i gather from the other testifiers that you know they're fine upstanding citizens and i certainly empathize with the difficulties of running a farming operation we are also attempting to to grow up in poco and it's very challenging very difficult conditions but i am here to urge you to reject the application of the concern is special events is well there are many a actually we happen to live three quarters of a mile from the property which is pretty far and we have found the special events that they have held in the past to be a nuisance to us from the noise there's typically amplified music and that is normally a very quiet neighborhood especially at night for those of you who are familiar with it the sound carries and if we can hear it and be disturbed by it at three quarters of a mile i can only imagine what it's like for their immediate neighbors i sent in written testimony to that effect via email and i know by seeing a lot of e mails flying around that there are many other neighbors i don't pretend to speak for them but i have seen in in those e mails and other concerns that ha been expressed in the most alarming one to me which is compelled me to come to this meeting and testify in person is that someone found a facebook post of the wedding that was held at the farm in which  japanese floating lanterns with the flame inside you know that heats up the air and takes the lantern flying off quite beautiful but it is you know the farm is located in you know vast among vast fields of water now dry grasses and how they coerce fire is a huge concern for those of us up there it's extremely vulnerable to a wildfire and i think events if they are to be held at the farm need to be subject to various regulations concerning the noise traffic and they're being concerns about  evacuation in case of an emergency and the like so if there's some way of accommodating them in their desire to earn more money to support the farming but somehow keeping the public events under control that would be appreciated thank you very for  present this powerpoint presentation to you very similar to what i presented to the my planning commission but it's updating some of the information so the applicants request is to hold special of then it's to sell retail and food not one hundred percent grown on the property in the gift shops and to conduct tasting tours with initially catered food the permits that are required to do this state land use commission special use permit and that's where the maui planning commission has the authority when the project area is under fifteen acres and then a county conditional permit and that's why we're here today the county council is the approving authority for that and that's because it's both in the state agricultural district as well as the county zoning does a nation of agriculture this is just a regional map to show you where it is it's a money a poco more specifically here's the subdivision overview map and then i highlighted in yellow the access road that takes you up there and then the pink is the large property that the applicant tones the property was purchased in two thousand and nine it is twenty seven and a half acres total the whole pink that you saw up there in two thousand and fourteen the parcel was divided through a condominium property regime into two different tax mat key lots the main being the little over twenty acres where the farm is located and then a seven point two acre parcel that's currently fallow the project area where they're making the request is just about three acres the applicants do not reside on the property their farm is about fifteen acres it's a diversified u s d a certified organic farm and it's actually the largest certified organic dragon fruit farm in the united states in addition to the dragon fruit they have tropical crops such as pineapple bananas papaya sugar cane they do specialize in dragon fruit with sixteen different varieties and about twenty five hundred different plants in addition to the farming they do conduct some activities which are allowed under our ag code or we're allowed they have the walking farm too or they do have a zip line to her and then they also have an aqua ball adventure tour again what we're here today though is for the special events and then also the gift shop sales and there's a picture of the building that they're proposing to use and some of the items that they would like to sell and then also they'd like to do some catered tasting tours is a waste to introduce dragon fruit to the public but then initially there would like to have them catered and they want to offer other fruit just besides that the dragon fruit there is a lot of parking on the property there's a total of seventy two parking stalls with thirty two of them paved there's a site plan that does show where all the parking is and then we have some photos it's a little dark in here but we'll we'll do the best we can this is the property entrance as you come up from punta cana loop and you take a right you can see the fire hydrant that's right there and then you go down the driveway i happen to hit it on a day where it was raining there and then as you go down the driveway and you look to the left you can see the thousand square foot farm developing that was recently finished up there there is some hydroponics going on and  you come down a little lower you can see one of the event fields again up on the left and then i kind of want to point out where some of the houses were that had given protest letter so you can kind of see him off in the distance there here's another picture of that event field you can see it's quite large and it has become down all the way there's another smaller event field which are calling a vent field one and that's kind of shooting up looking back maybe to the north east of the property and from here a little bit closer chose to the parking stalls the areas where the bathrooms are there's a separate men and women and there's the gift shop you can see where the farm developing is here is again that building and this is what it looks like currently inside though it will change to retallack this is approved a little bit closer of the two different bathrooms and here you can see the inside of the women's bathroom and then here's  event field number one so if you look down on the site plan kind of where the red circled area is that's what we're looking at and then what i did next is that kind of went to the front of that area to try to capture what's right below there you can maybe see on the printed out version you can see some of the houses right there and then you can see some of the dragon fruit down straight ahead and then some of the other parcels that are below there and then again you can there you can see the and then when you're on the eventually as you turn around and you look up this is more southeast you can see there was a protest letters that came to the planning commission from two vacant parcels you can see them off in the distance the mors is who owns those two parcels you can also see the beginning of where the grass parking is kind of where that blue tractor and then here's the larger event field again if you can see it circled down on the site map a little bit closer and then you can see where the hydroponics is off to the left there and then there's the driveway as you come down just to help orient you so here's that entrance where we  saw the blue tractor that was to the left there so that's where when they have overflow parking more than the thirty four stalls they'll come down this way you can kind of see the arrow up on the site plan and then here's where the grass parking stalls are so they're quite wide very flat and then i wanted to show you some of the farm there's the dragon fruit plants you've got two different ways of staking them this is one of the older ways and this is one of the plants up close i think that's a concrete pillar that they used to for stabilization and then on the lower field you can see they went to a different type of ways to stabilize them with wires and then here's some of the other i think that's pineapple right there there's the zip line that's in the back you can see some of the dragon fruit kind of off to the right there's banana and then you can see the grass marking stalls off to the left to the right and then down below this shows you again where the different types of staking is where they're using the wires so these this is from the maori planning commission i know there's a lot of testimony that came in recently so this does not include any of this for the planning commission meeting there were eleven letters of support two from neighbors and there were six letters of protest three from adjacent neighbors there's a neighbor that was outside the five hundred foot and there are two different homeowners associations one for the mckayla plantation where this property resides and then one from another homeowner poco at the hearing there were additional letters after the report was published there was another support and there were some more protest letters and then we did have a lot of neighbors come out to testify some in support some some against  to testify in support two against and one of the neighbors gave general comments i did notice today that one of the protest letters the better it was from that same neighborhood given general comments again this is only from the planning commission but it gives you a sense of where those letters came and it to orange and then if you see animal farm that's where the general comments came from statute to a five six it's where they give the permit criteria for special uses when you have a property in the state ag district and basically they want to make sure that that use is not going to be contrary to the overall objectives which are fairly broad but more specifically the desired use cannot adversely affect surrounding properties so that's the criteria that the planning commission used when they were evaluating this permit and permit conditions when placed on projects they're designed to mitigate the impacts and they're designed to allow a project to meet that permit review criteria so the conditions that were placed on that state special use permit on that date i'm going to go over those now they recommended that the permit be valid for two years before it comes back for renewal we always ask for required insurance naming the county as an additional insured we put a standard in force mint condition on there that spells out what happens if there's problems and  specifically they limited what the special events can be they limit it to a maximum of fifty gas two events per calendar no amplified sound there was a lot of discussion on the sound and finally in the end it was decided would just be much easier just to have no amplified sound the commission is requiring that events and by eight o'clock at night the cleanup can go on for about another thirty minutes and then all the cleanup all the lighting everything has to be turned  off they're requiring that event manager be required to be on site which i believe was always the case there can be no exterior lighting going upwards and that's actually a county law anyway but it all has to be shielded downward and then the applicant is to provide information to the neighbors with the phone number copy of the permit condition and then there also needs to be a sign placed at the entrance with the contact telephone number the commission also allowed one annual agricultural festival a year they gave specific hours a lot of discussion on this again from nine a m in the morning till five o'clock and then they just wanted to make sure that the traffic and safety measures were the police department had a chance to give input again we went over the parking they've got seventy six dollars but anything that would require more than seventy six stalls such as that annual event there there may need to be a shuttle service required for that and then they also put a limitation on the gift shop hours from nine am to eight p m at night we also have standard conditions where all department of health requirements need to be met the fire prevention of euro wants to review events when there are certain size or when there is can used there needs to be a compliance report submitted at the beginning and also at renewal and it renew what we want to just get a sense of what kind of events and when they're happening in the past we've asked that those be sent in for each event that it just seemed a little bit much so we're we're going to be doing that at the end  so today here we are with the conditional permit where the council is the final authority on this and the conditional permit is when you're considering uses not in a specific zone so it's for any zone not just agriculture and the criteria that's used for is those uses need to be similar related are compatible with those permitted uses so if you look at the bottom that's where the other is other similar uses in the area and the criteria it spelled out specifically in our molly county code is that the person person proposed use these to be in harmony with the area in which it's to be located and again similar to the not of adversely affecting surrounding properties in this case they say it shall not significantly  detrimental be detrimental to the public interest convenience or welfare so for the permit conditions that are recommended there the same is the state land use permit conditions now when you have permit the ones with the more restrictive condition will apply so if the council wants to put on more broad conditions that the applicant would then have to go back to the planning commission and request that the state land use special use permit be amended if the council wants to put on more restrictive conditions than those the conditions would apply right there so i thank you very much that's all i have for  hard to really get the general feel of the area but everything is laid out very nicely and as i read through i guess to cut to the chase i support the conditions put on  this there was another wedding wanted to be approved that got approved action alone here poco and i voted against it because they knew it was going to open the door for further you know other people to do is going to set the pace and set precedence so even with all of the conditions and i forget with the details were on that one i just didn't i still don't feel that way things are appropriate in our  areas like this i mean and that's what's tough about this some because they're doing some wonderful things at the ag portion and we just did this whole ag tourism bill and everything and that part awesome you know and if this is to go through with these events and especially with the large numbers if the you know i am not in favor of eight hundred plus or more i mean it needs to be like i said the special events shall be limited fifty two events a calendar month amplified sound is prohibited and ends by eight o'clock by eight thirty that is i like those conditions here just so you know right up front and because overall i'm not in favor of waiting and so if it is to occur and special letters of opposition in a sense them what they would be ok he could live with so it was like with reservations or with conditions in these letters of opposition and then of course we had  then today it's interesting and i still have my own personal conflicts that farmers cannot really sustain farming without building structures on their ag lands that was contrary to if i want to save farming then the other spec is this application for an event i don't know you know so i go back again to a hollow do we and i guess that something that would happen i would have to have a conversation with the real property people as to haul we do fairness in a commercial aspects of the agricultural land as opposed to actual farming and you know what does that involve and i have to say that my first impression and what i it's quite obvious that they're very hard workers and you know and so i i will support whatever your recommendation is chair we have of also from hearing from the department but if it is to move it forward i support it with some reservations but i guess innovation is the theme i guess i come from a place of i know who if you farming you farming you know and you know you take the slop out to the big zoo you are going to toil until the soil and you ma you do if you don't do bad crops or good crops you know i was raised on a farm and i don't know if this is ever going to be a trend  nations when it comes to agriculture as opposed to commercial but i know that i'm going off track from this particular agenda and  i don't have any questions at the moment and like they say i'm quite impressed with the set up and that means that i i just may be farming for means in a those were from the conditions stated in here are from the planning commission but the additional conditions from the state are they lose control they were from the state land use commissioned the fifty persons for the get the conditions as far because there is to permit and the conditions whatever is placed on it are buying of both of them are going to be binding on the state of the state conditions where they land use commission rules from stronger state law but but the committee those state commission delegates to the local planning commissions anything under fifteen acres got it so basically so basically chair we don't have the i guess the authority to go above the fifty people or one of the conditions is fifty people on a special of that we don't have the authority to go as the conditions on both permits are binding if you wanted to increase the number really it would probably be on the applicant to go back and apply to the maui planning commission to increase prices and so basically the only authority that we have in this in this committee is to be more restrictive less than fifty people or add or or add something else the planning commission did not add ok i do recall that we had a another property that i think mr cochran mentioned we put conditions on  two things one you know that the permit is for two years they could when they come back to reapply they could if everything goes smoothly and there's no planes and everything they can apply for you know larger event or whatever the if there isn't a proposed amendment it would come back to this committee into the council to change the conditions if it's going to the planning commission of course if it all remains the same after two years you won't see this again until there is some kind of a just for for my opinion i think that if the conditions placed before us are reasonable and if the director is indicating that at some point after the two years we can take a look at whether it in fact has been working well in the community we could either increase or not prove another permit permitted used to it so i feel that based off of the you know the information that has been provided it's the largest i believe certified organic dragon fruit farm in the u very supportive of that i love the fact that they're going to do tours on it i love the fact that they're going to do some type of festival or introduction to the community with this type of organic fruit that that's all positive anything that promotes agriculture also in support of anything that they can sell that's on their property to diversify their income  allen victory no said yes and yesterday's meeting we never question and i might steal this from you mr victoria we never question a person that has two or three jobs and what they're working you know they're just they just have three jobs you know and and this is the same case you know you farmers these are hard times we're at work or in very changing diversify time specially with our our greatest open space being at jeopardy if there's a way to keep open space whether it's to ag tourism or straight out you know large sectors of farming i'm for it because when we fly over and land in and now it's the most beautiful site you'll ever see all that greenery all that open space and if it means turning portions of that into tourism just to preserve it gosh we've got do something i mean because times are changing and the economics for just straight out farming nationwide it's the lowest paid industry nobody really wants to be a farmer in this new generation they need to really start to diversify and if in and i think diversification comes with conditions we've got to make sure we balance what we have and  then again i am supportive of their their innovative ideas in going forward but also supportive of the type of conditions that are placed on it thank you very much chair and think you for the opportunity to comment on this in general i think everybody knows i'm in big support of ag tourism i think that it's probably the way we're going to save ag because you know i'm very close to the egg community and every single one of them tells me how hard it is to make money and many of them are relatives and i know that they're suffering and so they're looking for ways just supplement farm income so that they continue to farm otherwise they just give it up because there's no point my grandfather used is if you can make money shut the store and so you know we want to preserve eggs so we're going to have to do some i don't know how to call it but we're going to have to give and in order to get it distresses me when i read this testimony and i don't know how accurate is the or if it's exaggerated or what about the impacts that this may have had in the past events and i'm sure it's been thoroughly investigated because i'm sure planning commission and the department have taken a close look and therefore the recommendations for the  enjoy it and it is a new product and it's absolutely delicious and very pretty i attend the opening not too long ago of the new bank of the way of venting and they were certainly jug and food cocktails and they were so pretty beautiful beautiful cocktails and i proposed to color with ice and they just were gorgeous and everybody enjoyed them so it's a new product and i think there's a big market for it and i think we ought to encourage it you know we always talk about diversifying our economy and if we're going to diversify our economy we have to look at new things and we have to support people that come here and invest and take risks otherwise nobody's going to come here and try to do it however i do not want to read about neighborhoods suffering from events that are disturbing or disruptive and i like the idea that they would have to be small i like the idea that there's hours restrictions on them recently changed my attitude i had never experienced the impact of this kind of activity but it is occurring now in a neighborhood where i live and i don't particularly care for it so it's kind of altered my attitude about you know it can be very disruptive you can have people parking all over the street so you can hardly get through you can have music until late at night and when you're in a neighborhood where people want to sleep they don't like this kind of thing so i am going to be supporting this with some reservations and the reservations are that everybody better follow these conditions because i don't want to hear about the neighborhood suffering because of us doing this we have to be respectful we want to  respect we want them to succeed but they also have to be respectful of the neighborhood they're doing it and thank you  proposals we transmitted the application to the real property tax division of the finance department and i don't believe they responded and we have not had it no they have not we have not had a conversation with them about the taxation know places are going to be receiving more income we also as the county leave more income for to run our world here for everyone else to live in and so i think it's only fair you know businesses  something we all need to pay or share so that would be something to look at but overall chair in my opening comments i mentioned what i'm in support of if this is i and everyone is talking about the ag aspect was one hundred percent beyond supportive but now we're just we're talking special events and other you know supplemental forms of income on this ag property and that's where it gets to be talking you know outside of the boundaries of agate itself so that's my hardship in this and also of the i guess the whole you will project that had occurred and i was a negative on that we did set  these restrictions and he has submitted testimony to us saying you know if i was put with these are sure actions then i would like to see this and also but not realizing there is a difference in the size of the property too big difference different economic base and i think now that we've seen the shutdown of the cns and you know i use that as what the new model will be an egg we will not have big agricultural production in this state from the ones once a chain has closed the closed up we'll never have it again but being that and that being said now we come to a point where we have  dragon fruit which i also enjoy and my wife really really loves it and so you know if i should not to this i probably go home to a cool bit but that's another story and that's really the power of our spouses least by so i won't go any further but more importantly we've got to give these farmers and i agree opportunity to survive mr chair it is a difficult world t on and on and also got was all the old time farmers they struggled for years many of them had jobs they were only farmers they had jobs and then they come woman farm or they have family members farming and most of them if you look at their children they're not farmers they're teachers lawyers engineers other occupations so i asked i am like to ask them why why wouldn't you want your children to be farmers to much work no consistency no guarantee a hard time to survive and that was their response almost invariably across the board so to those who come an opportunity to suffice i have no qualms with some conditions especially with di spect it and if it's not there i will ask for an amendment to be reviewed in two years if it's not there because i would like to see how these things work even if i'm not in this chair i don't care who's in this chair they should see what high and how it work i think i've really been a proponent of let's see what two or three years down the road of rule carries for these types of businesses or for these policies some of these issues were brought up by the planning commission and i'm i'm all for their conditions most of them are very feasible and realistic you know sorry you can't go to ten eight eight thirty i think it's feasible when you talk in large parties and i hope they will never use japanese lanterns again not in that area we should not have any ability to launch any type of fireworks fire apparatus of fire  items because that is one of the most dry and serious in all of my county and you just saw what happened on the oh i'm not letting go but in the pali last week and i got stuck coming back i could not get back so we don't want to promote any kind of activity that would have an adverse effect such as a brush fire or something of that nature plus on top of it putting other properties in harm's way in both there's an obvious so i can helps this industry and help these people continue to be farmers and if this is the wave of the future then i think we've got to start looking at policies whether it's real property and other issues to help these pacific ocean and the big thing that cost us what we bring it in or send it out is free and it do we can get the prices to be almost even as far as like going to cash and carry and whatever they call it now where you can buy four dollars twenty nine and here is cooler and it's right next door to it at two sixty nine how do you tell a young family who's struggling who can barely make ends meet go buy  because they're locally grown oh i'm all for cooling as we love and we have the means to buy but some young family who's struggling they can't they've got to feed their family right michelle want to you know i look at young families that are hand but anyway let's let's let's clarify that because if not i'd like to make an amendment for that purpose ok it's worth clarifying a couple of years ago there was amendment to nine hundred four which is your language that governs conditional format it said that renewals bill come back to the county council only when there is one or more complaints so what the procedure so what the procedure is is they they request a renewal notices of the renewal is sent out to every owner within five hundred feet if one complaint comes back that application is that her new application is then processed in the same manner as their original which means it goes to the planning commission and then it comes to the amend to mean sure that in two years this particular permit would come back to us for review so our i don't know the exact words and maybe the staff can help me with the wording but i'd like to have a review of this particular application in two years and may be appropriate in the proposed bill section two pair gratitude is all about the renewal and it currently states that the extension is conditional permit beyond this two year period well for a period yes i would like that to be put in as a substitute teacher for be downward shielded or no that's not that's not include ok ok so i hired a chair would like to put in as one of the conditions that there being no floating lanterns or should i guess they're not asked like what kind of props are you flying hot air balloons or are you me i guess fire prevention i guess at the time they have it even they didn't have a primary to be reviewed by anybody utilized and adding the language as follows or when open flames such as lanterns or bonfires or other potential fire hazards will be used i would read it in and its entirety as condition number nineteen as amended thirty that review and approval are required by the fire prevention poor bureau for advance open to the public with fifty or more people in attendance when temporary tents or canopies in excess of seven hundred square feet in size are utilized or when open play flames such as lanterns are bonfires or other potential would allow that so that we can ask them what they think of these two condition and he would it not to say we're going to vote one way or the other but i'd like to hear from the own first place if there is allowable  anybody in danger i just talked to mr to the cordon to do good we don't want to do anything bad we want to be good we want to be useful and nice to the society so anything all this you know is anything to for public one and again is nothing against our mean or the purpose of the applicants it's just that i'm going to stick to my standard and i don't like that idea in this area so thank you thank