a vent that caused a specific occurrence here causation is getting more complex than what happened on the day of october twenty five two thousand and three when the cedar fire destroyed over two hundred thousand acres this was not a small fire by any standards it was a fire and norma's proportion of context of the district of columbia it was six times the size of district of columbia but in a time text of the distance between this courthouse and dulles airport you would pascals airport by fifteen miles in terms of the spread of this particular fire so we're not talking about just a small fire started by a hundred beds skipped out of the forest and damaged a couple of houses and i understand your argument that in effect you're saying that because of the government's policies that that there were actually actively eighty eight taking the result of book lightning a natural occurrence absolutely because the ignition is not the issue in this case just as in the cotton land case the cases we tried elegy to with circumstances the government did in pop way and when it built it down because the creator of the course of time and natural progression of events which led to the event which caused the tape in this context of the cleveland national forest fires within twenty four hours after they occur this is not something that just happened in one week or two weeks or two years or ten years it's a policy or a course of time that is that created a situation in the cleveland national forest much course the litigation i would respectfully suggest that those issues would be borne out through a natural discovery of a lawsuit as opposed to all of these issues before we have an opportunity to  for purposes that are in conflict with that but they can't use it for purposes that are was a condition on the one hand that doesn't mean it was a cause of the fire here if you want to take the full analysis that you have to look at the question foreseeable and there's no question foreseeability here this is not a situation like you have in some of the other happen or may happen it was a question of when it would happen and it happened on october twenty five two thousand and three and get your question judge more about the concept of appropriation must be over an extended period of time it's no over two thousand and eight five years leader is that extended enough because people haven't been able to rebuild their homes people have been able to go back and live on their land how all long must  longer public services they can that go out to those areas they have situations where because homes were built a certain time back in the day so to speak their roof over choir means for purposes of foundational issues to be built on a house today they were altered there are abilities to enjoy and that's the issue here we're not talking about taking bizzle physical possession of the property by the government we're talking about their preemption of the owner's rights to ensure their property and they can enjoy it and they can enjoy it because the cedar fire tore twenty five two thousand and three which was caused in effect by the government policies that were put in place there were nearly a hundred years led to the destruction of their homes that's what happened just like you mate i was writing arrows up and down and i was looking at one question to protect the timber to protect the watershed to provide the ational use for the citizens of the united states affected literally the people who received injury to their property as a result of this fire