here where we prioritize people that want to speak to the agenda items that are on that night's agenda i think i'm not sure that we'll i'm not sure that's that friendly to the public because we we do want to hear if someone comes and has a pressing issue i don't think they should have to wait only to tell us about it and i do think that procedurally the the sequence of events are would require the council to emotional but i'm part of the council to suspend rules and amend the agenda to take up an agenda item in a different time than what we had in our regional war and so that may or may not happen so i don't think that i understand what we're trying to do there but i don't think it's it's very friendly to the public in terms of member responsibilities i prefer the language about not impute improper motives i think that was good language i would like to keep it in there and i have always liked the friendly amendment i think it still helps the meeting move  thank you very much and i think i have some information that i'd like to share with the chair of charter change to just be consistent regarding like committee yes it has to do with the president shall appoint ad hoc committees unless the council shall designate the members for b as that members of the committee shall be appointed by the president unless otherwise specified in the originating motion so i think you want to have the language the same it's the same topic so you should have it the same but that's not really the nitty gritty for me i would prefer not to as counselor odell said i really think that to have an agenda that is so locked into times and we're so focused on times i think we lose the cohesiveness of the of the item that's under debate the second thing is the language that says that the council president will ask whether any council wishes to address an item and if so whom i don't always know i want to address an item until i hear from other councilor so i think that that's not that beneficial i guess anyways that's just my two cents i agree with counsel and odell regarding the friendly amendment i always thought that that was useful i didn't see addressed the requirement regarding roll call if members are on the phone or not present and i thought that would be added as just i know it's part of of robert rules or somebodies rules but anyways i thought it would be helpful to have that commitment of that's how we're going to do business because that's how we do business maybe not maybe doesn't have to be there but i'm just throwing that out under order of business  appointments or at the last but to me appointments maybe place anywhere on the agenda because it depends on what the appointment is sometimes a put at the beginning sometimes when the middle at the end i'd like to have consistency about where where information's going to be posted is it going to be posted in the city calendar i know it says the web but is it going to be under the meetings and is it going to be on board docks i think that we have electronic means now and i think we should be specifying where people can find information i know these are our rules but people do look at them anyways i also think that right now it says that if we have an executive session it has to end at eleven p we can't commit to that so that should come out and i want to tell you that what i'm not saying is that a lot of the things you deleted i thought were good spot on and then the last thing electronic devices that needs of deletions that the committee recommended and made and those were good i just not going to specify those but you you agreed with the deletions i think i agreed with them not all of them but most of them i thought that you know they did of a very that i saw the rulebook away and i use common sense and a lot of times i just falls into every day de stuff and political stuff too i think you know so but anyways i worry that  on time and i get it i do understand these means go along that we will suffer healthy debate because of it if we and i'm worried about that and i know what times you can get he around this table and a lot of councillors don't like confrontation and i can appreciate that but at the end of the day i think that really makes for a better democracy for all of us and i know sometimes feelings get hurt and people think take it personally but i think we're all adults here and so i just don't want to have you know twelve choir boys come every monday night table and and you know all agree  seriously you can laugh like you're trying to be funny but it's the truth right and that's just it's democracy and law and as long as we can at the end the day get along respect one another and move forward then i think we're ok and for the most part i think we're able to do that so you know i don't mind a few of these changes but i i would caution healthy debate being being up here a little bit and i'm worried about that thanks  mason thank you president right just three comments one sort of turning to the decorum and the member responsibilities i know the committee sort of added some language on impugning city staff i might encourage them to go even broader you know we have there are members of the public that i think of potentially been in pune and the mayor you know or him or herself so i might sort of if the intent is to from of the core and perspectives revisit you know that and see if it can be expanded  i will take a contrary position on friendly amendment we've sort of i think i've been on the council eight years and we've struggled for eight years like i think robert's rules there is no you know from the amendment let's just we can expeditiously you know get to the same place let's just stop the conversation about from the amendments and pick a path on time i am sensitive to counsel hearten and i don't relish you know whoever is in the role of council president but i would share we've all been it's troubling when at eleven o'clock you know eleven thirty we're having to pick up something and quite honestly we're all so spent that we're not even able to participate and i think you know it's never the intent but i find you know more often than not you know it's very late at night where were all tired and not able to vote sort of the energy and attention to something that i think merits it and i appreciate it's a balancing act and i'm not sure how you solve that i don't know that more meetings is is the solution but i respect that the charges committee was trying to get at that problem this way i'm not sure it's the solution but i do think it's something we should continue to look at thank you committee as we've all said and is struggling through this i also do not like the changes in the public forum though i agree that i totally get what is being attempted to do here but i can think of circumstances in the past  a citizen came in and i can think of specific times where they came in they only had a certain amount of time they got in her early put their name in and it was a particular item on there in their neighborhood it wasn't on our agenda that night but we've always been clear that we want to hear from the public and in the circumstances that we're creating here we would tell that person you now have to wait through let's say we had a f thirty five debate or something really controversial now that person who wants to get in here make their point about a neighborhood issue goes the wrong direction saying you can see each counselor can span no more than five minutes on each what's the actual length in a single round of the same motion which actually could i think that actually could add time and i  would also say that i as other counters of said i actually don't think it would be helpful to on each item one to two for the council president whoever that may be me or whoever else in the future to say each item who wants to speak on this take note of that and then change the timeframe i think that again that there are counselors as cancer bush or noted the who who don't know at the beginning of the agenda item that they want to speak they don't they react later to someone who really good that we're having this conversation on the question of time limits for individual counselors is been my observation that sometimes a lot of time gets eaten up when it counselor is questioning has a series of questions for us and it can go on for quite some period of time so we counting their five minutes only the part of the time when they're speaking but there's actually they're actually consuming much of the council deliberate time and i think if we could get some guidelines on that kind that use of time you know and then there has to be a fight some finite limit to the number of whenever questions one it is responsible for account you know reasonable for counsel that i think that we can we can always remind councillors that there are certain questions that can be explored outside the council meeting that can you can get information from the department had outside of the actual me i recognize that there are times obvious that you have questions that you want the public to hear the answers to so i know there's a fine line there but tracy you know i just really want to thank all the counselors for having taken a look at this and really obviously taking some time to think about this i think that you all have brought to the table some issues and some ideas that i didn't think about and i'm certainly open to that question because i didn't think about that that's totally true the questions that he was is a big one and we take up a lot of time there in the public forum thing as about how we might be able to structure how we do our business so they were more efficient because of the time that we do those times that we do end up here late at night and as conservationists pointed out we are not a focused and effective in what we're what we're thinking about so if the if what we have proposed which is at least establishing some structure is not amenable i mean people are not amenable to that particular we certainly as a as a committee member i would be looking for other suggestions as to how we might be able to structure our time i think it's clear that that council president has the opportunity and the discretion to control that but not having any structure i don't think is or very very limited structure is not the way we want to go either we really mean we do need something and i think also the council can you know they clearly tells the president how tough they want him or her to be going forward in terms of but cancers also get very upset when they get cut off the experience that was for him i think that's really the key council right is to get buy in from the full council about how we think we should all be limited in time and where is is the time maybe not effectively being used so i appreciate that you know that the full council maybe isn't supportive of the direction that we've taken but i also think we very helpful to hear from counselors about and i appreciate the input from counselor no del on the on the issue of questions but the more input we could get on how we can wrestle this bear i think that that's what we need we need to put ourselves on a little bit of a speech diet at times  and we would like to officially give the council president some tools to do that because counselors are when a council president chooses to try and limit that  discussion the council is often irritated and that's why i think it would be helpful to have it in the rules and spell out how council president is expected to limit councillors time i also wanted to note that the change that we made to the five minute limit we actually expanded that we cave councilors more time because what it originally said was no city councilor shall speak longer than five minutes to the same motion and we added in a single round and you know so you want in you're saying in total i may have misunderstood i took that to mean you didn't want to five minute limit but you're saying you wanted to be five minutes for the whole thing i i'm not sure that that's realistic because we do have debates about each amendment i think we want to compare to new to debate each amendment and we can't always know what's coming down the pike or how many amendments there will be so i'll continue to listen to the feedback and i do appreciate it i would just say that well i'll just say that my turn because we're playing and that are now that five minute rule was created by yours truly because we had a city councillor who would pontificate endlessly at council topic i remember that was you were in the audience council right councilor bush or was here with me those nike's dissenters meetings would go til two in the morning as a result so that brought a little discipline and it may have been overreaching but it was needed to get us to remember that we're actually people who have families and lives and jobs and other things and we can't just sit here as a war on stage acting out a play and i would just add to that i remember a decade ago when there were certain cancers that were going on at length that i brought that up and there were two counselors at the time who were livid that i would consider a five minute rule they didn't understand that that was actually already in our rules from your time back in the ninety's cancer wonder if there was ever any consideration of six thirty start time it's in the it's in there it's in there and how about a hard cutoff i agree with confirmation i think there's really no good decisions made after eleven o'clock on this council for really and i think where we get short with each other i think that's where the decor goes a little wild and people start you know are a little tired little more i don't know i just i would i would consider i would consider cut off of our city council meetings that a certain time no business takes place after eleven o'clock i don't really think that's that's way out there i think that's something that we should consider thank you just hard to i think that the six do not specify so if the council wanted to do that we could do that but to say that we have a hard stop time i think we need some management tools on the way to the hard stop time because otherwise we don't get to all of then then we're just you know we're left with not getting to some of our business and what about executive sessions so i'm open to the idea but i do think we need to decide you know is the only place you want to limit at the end and i would just add to that that there is actually a hard stop time if two thirds of the council rejects suspension of rules  shannon do you feel you have some concerns yes so if we are following the rules we currently have i am sure that tonight nobody will speak more than five minutes to each motion that is correct and if they do it will be cut off because that's what the council wants me to do so everybody remember that don't get mad at me as castro del said the enemy is us we are the  enemy ok so we have identified some concerns from councillors obviously there are other things that we did not mention i think the charge change committee can take that anything that was not mentioned we are we are good with and with that we will if no one else has anything we will close down the work session and the council of churches committee will report back to us again and we take in those considerations and then we come back to the full council with whatever is the final product week we may actually end up having a couple votes if we need a particular items so with that we will move to i don't understand three which is a expected executive session on city place attorney blackwood yes i believe we need to do almost in the first one would be that to go into executive session to discuss an update on contract negotiations the premature disclosure of which would put the city at a disadvantage was due to professional conflict recuse myself on this issue thank you cancer dean is recusing himself from this issue for professional conflict so all those in favor of the motion please say i was made by cancer dean and the next motion cancer mason based on the finding i'd like to make a motion to go into executive session noting who present outside counsel jeremy farkas city attorney richard hustler mr glasberg and mr administration to make just some public remarks to the public and understand where we are in general terms what we're going to be doing and good you know is that possible good point has an odor mr mayor can you see that up for the public a little bit to executor session is needed in is because of what's led up until now on the council the public will remember that at the end of august an amendment was made to the agreement between the city and  burlington to allow construction on the foundation work to move forward even though the project had not yet met all of the all of the conditions that had been into spaded that time spaded that without approval from the council the project would move forward the project did not move forward subsequent from that they to this point they have still not pulled the foundation permit and made this mission's it would be necessary for the project to proceed this city has been active conversation with the developer in the now more than two months  since that vote and has made it clear that it is time for the developers to act and make good on the agreements that have they made to the city and to the community and that action has not yet taken place and the purpose of tonight's executive session is for us to update the council on communications that we've had with the developers in the months since we discussed it and after giving that update to the council confirmed that the path in which we think we should proceed from here is consistent with councils  and there have been extensive communications between the city and the developers over the last month and certainly the possibility that the developers appearing  s we otherwise would be revealing our negotiating position we're in a in sensitive negotiations and conversations and it would not be in the public's interest first to to do this in open session thank  cancer no dell and i think we all agree that what we want to do is make sure that this project happens so mr mayor do you have any further comment before we vote to go into executive session i do not present right thank you are we ready to vote all those in favor of going into executive session police say are any opposed cancer hartnett and counselor tracey and so that is a that is we will go into item number four which is the public form time sort of seven thirty we've gone past that by about five minutes so we will open the public forum as of now i have no one scheduled to speak so i'll take a minute for if anyone in the public wishes to speak to us there are forms over here on the corner table bring them up to laurie over here at the clerk's office you'll get them to me but if nobody's making any move going to shutdown public forum so going once going twice opposed that passes unanimously and with that i am going to recess the city council meeting in order to let the mayor do abatement of taxes at seven thirty eight and first set him on the agenda there is a need for further questioning from the board afterwards or can do that but if you could keep your opening statements here concise would be welcome thanks we had to submit some documents showing how we had arrived at the amount we were requesting and i anything like that since the last time we met on the sketch yes last time we met there was a request for how much penalties and interest were applied to this property and i guess there was a little bit of confusion about standing to help these of interest or the penalties and interest of going back to the beginning of when this issue occurred which is the request i think went back as far as two thousand and eight and so the petitioners the mayor's a ridge the original question was three thousand seven hundred  two dollars and five cents treasurer's office recalculated that number and said no more accurate number of penalties and interest is three thousand and fifty dollars and seventy one cents and  that time there's another hundred thirty five dollars added to that for a total of three thousand one hundred eighty six dollars in twenty eight cents i think that's the appropriate request the additional the difference so the number has changed and we want to honor the request of well what are the penalties and interest from our office there would this be the time for questions on the information we just received yes we have a november eighth e mail from mr her w to loreal bergen yourself with a new number that shows a total of one thousand and fifty two dollars and eleven  i would need to look at my notes that doesn't sound like the right number ok so i wasn't sure what to make of that number of anyone else's can just imagine just according to what we were see that number seventeen and eighteen that's my understanding correct and that the the three thousand this number is cumulative since two thousand and eight is only thing that is my understanding correctly and what i also found out tonight is the delta between the city treasure was that there were new and accruing unpaid taxes interest and penalties and that what was being requested is actually already paid so it would be there was a  request of a refund of what was paid and i'm not sure clear as to whether or not the one thousand dollars that mr her would just tabulated if that was included in the three thousand or not so i just want to com e what i have is for four new penalties and interest is one hundred thirty five dollars and fifty seven cents cents since the last time it was calculated and the prior to that from the time period that the mayor's request was is three thousand and fifty dollars and seventy one cents so it's take it's looking back and then from basically with a request that's being asked is a refund that's and but the one thousand dollars plus has not been paid correct outstanding because payments have not been made is a one hundred thirty five dollars and fifty seven so reconvene at eight o one i'd like to recognize counselor mason i think you may or i'm not even sure what the question is anymore but having spent some time with mr mira spreadsheet and with the city attorney's spreadsheet there are a bunch of numbers floating around and i think the difficulty is trying to interpret all of them and quite honestly i'm not able to connect the dots i'm not sure it's entirely relevant for purposes of discussion i know we'd all like to know but what i do know is the city's calculation of penalties and interest for the property is three thousand dollars a number three thousand one hundred eighty six dollars and twenty eight cents the requested abatement at the time as of the time of the hearing from mr muir was three thousand and seven seven zero two zero five unfortunately the spreadsheet we were given tonight as a request of three thousand seven hundred eighty one dollars and thirty five cents and i can't tie the numbers together however i would argue that what's before us and what we should be deciding on is the requested abatement of thirty seven eighty one thirty five which is what mr mir is coming before us tonight asking for an abatement of the statement is that fees i think and attorney's fees on top of that so you know i think there's a procedurally mr mayor there is a there was a request or a motion was to deny the abatement and i think that's the question that's on the floor for this body and listener additional question of these numbers floor is still open for additional questions but if there are not any i think there's a pending motion on the floor ok thank you sorry to deny my incorrect abatement was based on manifest on justness i think the committee of its own initiative investigated whether there was a question relating to ability to pay and at least the recommendation from the majority of the committee was that go councillor for sure i just wanted to clarify the issues that came up at the last hearing around outstanding zoning violations not that that's what we're deciding tonight but that those issues were raised  want to get clarity on that from assistant attorney sturtevant and perhaps co director ward if they could both join the table on the attorneys did you hear the question right there fifty two is over here so there are two separate parcels that we're we're talking about we're talking about fifty two so for fifty two north coast road the violations go back to two thousand and six when we received complaints we went through and of course meant to notice a violation that was appealed to the d m v it was cited for a contractor's yard that was the violation there was a lot of materials different trucks  at the time i believe mr mayor had a construction business in then ultimately that settled that went to a settlement agreement and to two thousand and seven which was then allowed to for them to apply for permits at the property they were denied permits at the property at that time that was appealed it was subsequently dismissed in two thousand and ten after three nude complaints about the property was not cured we went back for contempt the court gave a deadline of december of that year or else to be more penalties director award myself visited the property of a number of times and did find substantial compliance in december of that year after that time we received more complaints about the property falling back out of compliance and i could certainly get director word speak to that but he went out contractor's yard or a parking lot or not to say alternately you can get some sort of approval that but there's no pending application and there's and there's no approval we have a picture that i took on october eighteenth shows a dump truck a contractor truck someone who had it as it had been before october eighteenth of two thousand and eighteen as well as some other items that are stored on the property so this became compliance that came in i have found back at the end of two thousand and fifteen and start of two dozen men there was nothing on that lot so it's back to some portion of the non but as far as the connection between the man and i mean i'm not sure the connection and this is an issue that could have been resolved needs to be resolved it's you know a matter of removing the material from the property or getting to think you  mayor thank you this is been incredibly challenging because there are so many moving parts with this abatement request  and there are so many issues that may or may not be relevant to it but some of them seem to speak to the ability of the appellant to pay and for whatever reason i did not see the letter that that city attorney sturtevant wrote regarding the issue that was raised regarding the fema application and the to discuss allocating the funds to us and i just want to once again verify that according to the city the city's position is that  those dollar those funds were not really sent to the city for this appellant to be given s them but there was some there was some misunderstanding at least that i have from from this i feel like it suggested that that monies were held withheld and then that caused that further caused a financial challenge for the appellant and you're saying that that is not the case so i did bring extra copies of that letter but i know that there was a process and it wasn't like there was money just sitting there and i had he was handed over there was a whole process that you had to go through and that process wasn't was not completed is that what you said there was yes there are property owners i mean there was a property owner down in the area that went through the whole process and it was a significant process and and it was not for this property the reason i'm bringing this up is that i at the the in from documentation i have in regards to the appellants ability to pay and i understand that that the monies that he's requesting have been paid but he's asking to be refunded these dollars so so that so that information is not does not agree with the city's position correct that there was a process and that i'm all right mr mayor i must admit this is been incredibly challenging for me to to work through the dollar amounts seem to move all the time i have never felt like i was uncertain about what to do i feel that i tried to look at the appellant and their ability to pay which i think is one of the one of the things was manifestly unjust as is the ability for someone to pay and you know i'm i'm i'm hoping other people weigh in i am considering that i am considering abating or or refunding these dollars because i the information that i have shows evidence of loans being taken out to pay the fines and if if  i'm misinterpreting i really wish that the city would help me get the information correct thank you  where it's going to go back to some ground that counselor bush recovered to make sure i understand mr abbott you said there was some process that was not completed what process are you referring to  so there wasn't a grant program for properties that were affected by the two thousand and seven flooding and it was not a guarantee process and it required a lot of process and that was not completed the i think one property tonight i'm aware of that completed that process and it was it was a significant process i mean we went through different closings and so it wasn't like the city was just giving money to handout or that money was sitting there for applicants that was the city program it was through the federal government a federal program that's what i  i'm going to be supporting the committee the majority position on the of the committee i think that i have sat on cases where there was very clear evidence of hardship and there was a plan put in place to get even and we're not really looking at that here and i just feel like that their hardship cases have been few historically few and far between many many people struggle to pay their property taxes and city burlington we see them those that i have seen be successful had better documentation and lead to a plan for at least partial repayment and i don't see you and i think i have a question for you looks like this is not asking abatement of peace taxes is that is that correct whoever can enter it's just for the record here ok is he asking an abatement of these taxes or fees what is he asking for to be abated exactly my understanding is asking for an abatement of this of the penalties and interest going back to two thousand and eight which have been paid it's more of a refund and also you stated earlier here that th would there taking place during the litigation with the city or before or after i think last time we asked that question if you can find out the exact answer so th ten thousand dollars ten thousand six hundred sixty dollars fee was paid at the end of two thousand and fifteen is my recollection it again so i didn't hear sorry ok so the fine from the litigation of the ten thousand six hundred sixty dollars that was assessed my recollection was paid in december of twenty fifteen and it so one of the questions that we discussed when it came to your ability to pay was the assessment of additional properties that this individual holds around the state of vermont what were those other properties and what was the value of those  particular properties that that he home that he holds around the state i believe i have the proper value with me but in my memory i did there when i wrote the memo back in may i was aware of a fifty point six five acres and you know and another zero point six seven acres just one other point if i may which is that we believe we understand that mr moore owes his property with his wife and that his wife is employed so they had to have a an income mayor just briefly out i would just like to say that that is some ways in litigation with the city it doesn't mean that it's wise not to pay the penalties and interest accruing on property taxes that you have not paid that is not wise interest based on not one nonpayment the amount of one hundred eighty three dollars and thirty six cents the stated justification was because the fees were you know being escrowed by a bank in the bank didn't make the  statement the committee voted two to one to deny the abatement request so i would make a motion to deny the abatement request from mr safir thank you is there second for that motion second about cancer shannon open for discussion and i just amazing thank you weinberger this is you know the committee has drawn a line i think was consistent with past precedent that unless there's you know something that rises to the level of cit fault or some unique circus circumstance which is the next one you know the abatement has been denied this was for us for at least for the majority of the committee a run of the mill in fact there were others where there was even more evidence of a bank admitting they screwed was waiting for a vice tax bill that was sent relatively close to one the payment was actually do that tax bill as we heard evidence from the treasurer's office that the axle actually went out however the taxpayer pa taxes on time but paid the lesser amount based on the uncorrected tax bill he had claimed to us that he never got the revised tax bill in time this is similar to the one we dealt with at our last meeting two weeks ago there was evidence from committee members that there had been a male issue in the south and so based upon similar reasoning to our decision two weeks ago at least the majority the committee voted in favor of granting the abatement request in the amount of one thousand dollars  yes the written findings of fact you paid on the original amount but he paid late is that accurate testimony he was saying that he was waiting for the bill was in dissipating it came out and didn't receive it and then he immediately paid the higher the original tax bill which was a higher amou t if you'll allow me so if i was if i was told the i mean how what i did he request  how did it come to pass that he needed to revise tax bill first of all and then how would he be aware of that and then i guess that's that's a question and i'm not i understand the issues with the mail but i'm not supportive of saying that that is acceptable we've never we i know that was stated a couple of weeks ago but have always put the responsibility on the person unless they could show us it was stamped on time whatever whatever so can you just tell me how he knew he was getting a revised tax bill yes  there was a larger number of taxpayers that did not receive their state payment adjustment on their tax bill for the reduction so they had larger bills they looked at them and said this is wrong you notified the city of this air the city talk to the state city treasurer's office talk to the state and the the state says yes you'll be receiving a download about july thirtieth i think i believe that's when we received the download that made the correction then bills went out and i think this this this person this taxpayer was in to supporting the bill and he said he didn't receive it and then  realized that he was a day late and made the the full payment on the the bill but the bill was due on august twelfth of weed bait when there's when one ground is there is evidence of a city error i don't see evidence of a city error in this case and so i am not supporting the motion to grant the bait the quest tax bill that he had because it was more than what he actually oh so ultimately not receiving the reduced bill he overpaid the city so that was also part of the consideration is that there was an overpayment to the city and now he is being charged interest and penalties i'll also remind the council this this is one thousand dollars in one thousand sense and with that i will call the all those opposed for opposed math right i think that question passes  president right thank you mr mayor we will reconvene the regular city council meeting at eight thirty three and just in light of the discussion earlier about rules i would like to note to the council that that last hour is not on me  hearing will close out that public hearing thank you and will move to item six point zero two which is an ordinance comprehensive development or in its article three amendments   the ordinance proposed before you propose changes to article three scott is here to sort of pick me up if i misstate any of these but in essence these are pretty the first ordinance or changes to section three point two planning due to factors you know state permits or building code issues our current ordinance did not have any provision allowing for deferred action nor any limit on the actual number of deferrals so this amendment permits  grossman missed the rest three to six clarifies and incorporates a thirty day appeal period for zoning permits associated with the or b and the final changes relate to three point two nine  extended the time to complete work authorized under a zoning permit to three years unless extended but importantly it also imposes a limit on the number of extensions my understanding at least now informally it's just been granted as a matter of right and this imposes or puts a limit on the number of extensions to to any discussion or questions for the city council hearing none of those in favor of taking the action which is to waive the second reading and adopt the ordinance police say i oppose passes unanimously thank you i'm moving on to item six point zero three is an ordinance comprehensive development ordinance updates parking standards implementing recommendations from plan b t v walk bike there are general clean ups high level allows for bike parking on the right of way and also extends a payment in lieu option conservation yes i don't have a technical question but i did call because the copy of the ordinance that was on board ducks i think on saturday still have in the it still had under fraternity sorority and dormitory one per forty three residents a little strikeout wasn't for the for which i had noticed during ordinance so hopefully that's they are now  strikeouts not being reflected is simply a function of the strike going through the four in the four ok so it is i think it's misleading so hopefully one you can make that clearer because shows up in the card anyways thank you thank you cancer bush or other comments or questions because of tracy i just like to thank the ordinance committee for your work on this i think that this modernizes a lot of our ordinances and updates them specifically dealing with issues of short and long term use also getting rid of a maximum of might have a maximum provision i think that's really helpful but it's just really nice to see us taking some of the things from playing to t v and implementing the because it's one thing to build a network but it's all a different thing to make sure that people have a place to put their bike when they actually use that network and get paid to be so thank you councilor tracy other councillors hearing none again all those in favor of taking the action which is to waive the second reading and adopt the ordinance police say i am opposed that passes unanimously thank you and we are on to a six point zero four which is a comprehensive development thank you president right so this one is quite simple it just changes the use table to permit grocery stores up to thirty five thousand square feet current limitation is thirty thousand square feet in the enterprise l manufacturing district i think that's a mason any discussion a question from a city council hearing on all those in favor of waiving the second reading and adopting a sort of plea say i opposed thank you this is we all went on the bus tour of acquisitions for the champlain parkway in the south and this was one of those properties and the property owner appealed  the most most of the property owners signed off on the easements and the city purchase easements this particular property owner appealed and it's the city determined that we don't really need that property it's it doesn't say it in the memo but i believe it was nine square feet and it was a temporary easement so we can just void that litigation for everybody and stay within the right of way that we have right thank you shannon questions from the council or to any discussion hearing on all those in favor of adopting the ordinance please say i h post that passes unanimously with us on the item number six point zero six a resolution notice of compensation hearing regarding champlain parkway concert move to waive the reading and adopt the resolution and ask for the floor back auditorium and this will be to initiate a comp and compensation hearing to determine damages if any to which each person from whom property interests were acquired in connection with the city councils june sixth necessity order butcher i have a question attached is the citation notice and reilly or however you say properties is still listed do they have other parcels beside the one that we just dealt with or should they be removed from this list towns board of directors consider submitting an am a case brief in doyle versus board of burlington police department councilor mason thank you president right now i'd like to make a motion to waive the reading and adopt the resolution and ask for the floor back briefly after second seconded by cancer nobel cancer mason thank you president right i will turn the floor over very briefly to eileen to explain but this is a somewhat complicated nuanced  decision about well a decision about the distinction between inspection versus copying and the right of the municipality to charge reasonable amounts for purposes of compliance with an inspection request so without eileen maybe i'll turn it over to you to give a better explanation than that yes to make to make clear what you're being asked to do is that the vermont league of cities and towns often  vermont supreme court case and we would like them to do that they have a policy that before they will agree to do that they need a request from the legislative body of the city so the goal here is just to have you all say yes we want to ask the vermont league of cities and towns to file an advocacy brief in this case they care about this case they've posted up on their website it is they believe that it's important for cities and towns throughout vermont and and they have indicated t yes they were they are interested in filing an amicus brief if they get this request from us so that's really the action conservation just to also set the stage you know the city was actually one you know that the superior court judge teach out weighed the you know the arguments on both sides of the side of the argument put forth by the appellant was too nuanced you know he was dissecting the statute too closely the policy goal was to put some limitations  your requests so we one this is actually being appealed i understand you know the a c l u is representing the appellant so this is basically asking the city will be filing its own appeal assuming but this will be asking for those in favor of taking action to waive the reading and adopt the resolution please say i opposed again passes unanimously and that moves us on to committee reports and there were seven any committee chair who  meeting because we do have a lot of work coming in coming rapidly at us including the downtown improvement district and other matters that need to be decided by the full council by december seventeenth so in addition to that we have our council rules and just let the council know that that's going to go on the back burner so that we can make sure that we get everything back to the council that has that strict chair i just wanted to i am the chair of the senior center study committee that we created by by resolution in august i believe and i just want to let people know that the committee is now up and running we are meeting at the old north end community center in one of the spaces being used by the seniors there and we're making good progress we will have a hearing on or we will have some kind of public forum on our recommendations we want to make sure that there's that people understand what we're doing and why especially you know anyone who is that one of the senior centers who may be affected by thank you great thank you cancer no doubt cancer roof thank you president right public safety committee will be meeting mr is day five thirty we're not in room twelve at one point said we were not we're in the community room at the fletcher free library and will be taking up an important issue will be looking at the city's newly release sure the community development committee community volman neighborhood revitalization committee is meeting jointly with the ordinance committee we've had two very productive meetings to discuss revisions to the city's ordinance inclusionary housing ordinance i think it's safe to say that well we're going to try to meet the deadline that the council set for this joint committee we had a difficult time getting six counselors together for the fall so it took us a while the start  meeting there may be a request to give us a few a couple more weeks once the holidays hit but i'm going to try to i think all of us would like to try and wrap this process up but we meet next monday the nineteenth those are five thirty start times and we hold a public hearing on i thought it was the tenth of the eleventh of december i don't believe we have a location yet but we're hoping to hold it doing just finally the license and local control communing committee has a meeting scheduled for next tuesday afternoon the twentieth at four forty five i believe that's in conference room twelve correct paul thank you so i forgot the committee which doesn't mean very often only meets when we have something something h r policy related to talk about we are meeting next monday the  at five pm in the h r conference room one of the items on the agenda is changing in the city hall policy changing the name of columbus day to indigenous peoples day and there's process what was laid out with us tonight in this flow chart which is great by the way thank you to the administration put this together to other items i'll be doing an update tomorrow the church free marketplace commission and also receiving feedback which i'll try to capture and characterize in some sort of written form of course that's open to the public so anyone can come i will also be having a downtown improvement district advisory council on the twenty seventh that is open if people want to come and sit on that but that is a council appointed advisory committee to this downtown improvement district item and they'll begin update on the twenty seventh i should also say in the resolution that a stablished a process back and i believe august we asked the charter change committee to come back in the first week of december this process contemplates that they'll miss that date but i think that we can we can forgive them for doing so because it's really not their fault but beyond that of this like to refer a minute boat i think some really incredible numbers that came out of election day last tuesday two thousand one hundred twenty five same day registration is happening citywide which is quite remarkable  first i think that some appreciation is owed to the clerk's office and our ward clerks and folks who are working the polls that is quite the number of huge huge jump from from early days of same day registration  just a few notes on this because i was poking around these numbers and yet but some wards had some some incredible same day registration numbers ward six close to three hundred two hundred ninety eight same day registrations orders one and two more than three compared to there for the first election and already where there was i think barely three hundred votes just back in two thousand and fifteen so we're seeing some incredible numbers there and i had the opportunity to stop by and just to check in on the election and there were one hundred more than one hundred wards one and eight nine hundred five new registrations occurred on just election day which constitutes forty three percent of the total which is just i think quite remarkable to see  how young people especially are getting engaged in the political process not just at the at the top level but right here locally as well so i appreciate the time thank you cancer roof any other one to any other kinds of i think we owe a big thanks to the voters of burlington for supporting both the clean lake bond which i know there's a better name for it but i look at it like that name and the in the bronx and high school bond questions overwhelming support and i think we as a council really rallied in came together and presented a good case to the voters that i think was pretty compelling for both of those and perhaps over ninety percent i believe support of the clean lake beyond question and well over seventy percent for the high school so i think we're in good shape it's an exciting time and i realize that will there's a price to that folks will be seeing their taxes increase as a result of the high school question  presenting little mermaid thursday friday to saturday i have personally watched the commitment of a army of people trying to pull this off i expect it will as always be a great show  and i know they greatly appreciate members of the public coming out to watch so if people around thursday and there's actually even a kid's matinee on saturday afternoon as well so i hope to see their thank you thank you  you so yes it was a wonderful election election day for the city of burlington for the number of new people people that voted it's always great when so many people come out to vote that certainly is a sign of that our our democracy is alive and well at least in burlington for sure and you know i think the last time most of us at least most of us around this table last time most of us were in this room there were a lot more people in this room there were about four hundred fifty or so people in this room and i'm speaking about the night on tuesday the thirtieth of october when we had the gathering of unity with the interfaith community i just wanted to thank the number the huge number of people just the outpouring of support of people who came for that event i i have to confess i did not see i know that there were city councillors that were there that i didn't see i know that many of you were there and i am grateful as is everyone in this community for the fact that so many of us were there we are our presence makes a difference in our presence means something we are role models in our community and being there sends a message that we care about that issue we care about a lot of issues but we cared about that issue that evening and i just also wanted to add that i think you know i i know a lot of people that came up to me after the event and even in the days since that even even yesterday who said that having that event made them feel safer in this community so we need to do that for everyone we did a wonderful thing for many people that evening and you know  hatred and bigotry anti semitism does pervade our society but we can't allow it to prevail and i think that evening sent a powerful message to many people that we are not going to allow that to prevail i'm sure there's a lot of you that saw the article in the new york times and probably saw on social media about the group of i believe it was the junior class who went to their prom in wisconsin and were all photographed doing a hitler salute this is pervasive in our society and we have to do everything we can to crush it so again thank you very very much for being there your presence and a lot to everyone and on a personal note it meant a lot to me thank you cancer paul and i would just concur the thousand tremendous event and i thought th governor former governor kunin for me actually said it best saying that everyone in this room tonight tonight we're all jews and i agree that there should be these we can actually accept zero tolerance for any kind of anti semitism so thank you for that that sunday was a gathering for in city hall park for the recognition of the eleventh hour of the eleventh day of the eleventh month which was armistice day one hundred years ago  as office it was an opportunity to recognize the sacrifice that so many of our fellow citizens have made in many years past in securing our freedom and our ability to you know engage in democratic process and vote forward we have a busy agenda in regard to obviously some work sessions that are coming up on the charter change issues so look for an e mail from me on that process and the timelines that will be you know we'll be looking at and it's your your last point there and just highlight in particular there will be an extensive schedule because or number different committees will be asked to review the three different charge changes that are under much to do that evening it may start a little earlier than normal but they want to highlight that for counselors as a key night for all three of these chartered changes each of which have and are combinations of you know in some case years a process and your mistress is looking forward to working with you in the coming weeks to try to put them in front of the voters and the coming town meeting day i too wanted to note the past the election from a week ago the local items the outcomes were quite well mark well i want to thank the public works team that really responded to the really unpleasant series of events last summer kind of came through that adversity and worked this quickly which the administration certainly will do in response to this vote as well as i hope at some some measure in confidence in the city team to use these resources well and make progress forward successfully as wild as an exciting very exciting and meaningful decision for the generations of burlington schoolchildren that the voter support of this and i will work to do our part making sure we make good on that opportunity important working group and the effort that you are joining i think is at a critical time and it's great it's much appreciated to have some on this committee and then finally this thursday i councillors and public and are invited to the launching of highlight at one pm there will be a press conference which is know been announced previously but some additional details will be put forth on thursday that flush out the plans for this year's december thirty first new years activities in the this is the successor to the longstanding successful first night celebration that b c is leading this high late celebration and stay tuned for more information on this later this week on thursday person right thank you appreciate the opportunity