we had over forty nine people attending the public hearing and after reviewing the unapproved minutes the majority of the comments that were see that public hearing had to do with  the new excuse requirement process of the planning commission and also the design standards just to go into a little bit more depth on those specific comments the planning commission had added a standard within the gateway commercials only regulations where it specified that fifty percent of the gross floor area of new development must be in commercial use the comment some of the design standards that were contained within the gateway zoning district and there were comments where people people's comments were in favor and retaining some of those design standards minor changes to those before you warn your public hearing and you have about well you had to have your public hearing within one hundred twenty days from the time the planning commission for its it to you  the last observation that wasn't necessarily contained within minutes which it was also part of the conversation i think was the public's differing opinions of the interpretation of the vision of the gateway district as it's been laid out within the municipal plan if you have any questions i'd be happy to answer them but i guess i'm here just to kind of formally forward on post something changes to this like  removed and you know but let's make sure i'm understanding this correctly but the economic analysis that was presented to it showed that that with the current  residents of the gateway district that would be reached by faces one two and through all three phases at least the initial take is that is the revenues generated would be able to pay for the expansion of the system wanted to and i think what we've seen and i'm looking i'm going to my other fellow members of the water and sewer commission of the great river i'm wrong here is doesn't make sense to just think terms of wanting to kind of it all and everything in one two and three awfully orbit this never gets done at all the three phase expansion option would come out as economically viable not that not that anybody is thinking that that's where we want to start but so i hear what you're saying and that i think these regulations really deftly originally started with the onus on will water sewer be able to be supported out there without further development and in there's a lot of fear out there what what this could bring to richmond could this bring duncan drugs on the side of the road and when i look at what is currently out there and currently in the zoning regulations now you could bring dunkin donuts to the side of the room and you can do it very easily ambivalent to delay this because yes i was at that meeting i saw a lot of people standing so they needed the latest and then i walk around a community and talk to people who were at that meeting and they say i've read them they're good rule there are good changes political reality of just being perceived by the town of moving too quickly time and so i see this is a political job that is like or still needs to do well i mean i think more education so we still have some of the things that we don't want to be in the game we had that cracked so we have some things in place to make sure that what does go in there is reviewed and that it does work with their town and what nothing we will get potentially things we don't want because the because they will have the services that will enable them and the zoning already doesn't so it's you know we do need to sort of look at this as a package but you know again  there is the political side and we're going to end up with something we do need to make changes or it was something that will that will cause a revolt if we don't handle john john commercial district to go residential and mostly residential home so that is a factor that you have to consider and there you go again the road what else will flow fall if this problem goes residential and i'm hearing general support for that in this like ward at the water and sewer commission too so there's you know and then in here a lot of opposition to that to those brought us objectives overall  what i'm bringing up and what and what i want to make sure we're being mentioned is why are why are we following the course that we're following what are we paying attention to the need to have something that is politically durable coming out the other end and and what how much time do we have to do it all and we certainly don't want to to on one hand drag out the process so that it's onerous for the reeds or any other developer on the other hand we don't want to push this through so that so the a large portion of the population of richmond is unhappy with it and and therefore unhappy with the development that happens i don't think we're that far i don't i mean i think that the place commission did good work i think that there were some some good comments and concerns that came up that at the hearing that i went to concept of making changes to this document changes to this document that are substantial we need to go back to the to the plan so so i'm afraid i understand how we will capture how the town really feels about this what are we getting visioning for making the process if we did want to do that i mean and there are people that come that you know come on and you know there are other people that may be fine with that so i'm trying to figure out is there really a larger issue with the current changes or not and how would we get to that decision how much how many more meetings would we need to have to feel comfortable all have us frankly i'm not sure i have a strong opinion about some of the details but in terms of process we have a process that involves a commission that's done the work if we move it for and it gets voted down we have to revisit it if we move forward it's voted up then we move forward there isn't it sort of the way our process is set up to w water sewer could go out their water sewer couldn't maybe it doesn't but i still think you're it if no changes are made and maybe by march or april or sometime in twenty fifteen i'm afraid that you're going to get something that is uncalled for in the town plan out there and so you know maybe perhaps it is it is time to slow things down i do want to suggest to the board that we don't ignore this and to vote on funds the way this works the reason the town votes on a bond is that's the only way you can get bonded field advantage is funny and but in the charter of the law the decisions about the water sewer systems are made by the water sewer commission and the select board so that bifurcation so part of this is the difficulty of understanding how the different commissions work and what their roles and responsibilities are under the law so one would love water sewer commission has control  water sewer system what i've heard in my two years on the water sewer commission is absolutely what we need is more users because the rates have increased so dramatically that problem with the dig a million dollars and you take a million dollars divided by three hundred one so there are some competing pressures that water sewer users what i've heard consistently over the last few years is get more users the only practical expansion to those systems is into the game if you look at where we are geographically if you look at the map between floodplain and occupied blocks the expansion opportunities are really about the gate so for water sewer users the only real life honey get more users is the gateway and the real promise is a substantial number of users are represented right now by the mobile home park at the end of phase three commission meeting where they're going to go further and talk more about the budget and how that might work so i think that could answer some of those questions there's also economic development that doesn't only help you know the water sewer issue but it's a additional taxes that may support us down the road and when we have developer is interested how can we make it a little easier while still ensuring that we aren't letting everything come in because it's not always easy to get a commercial buyer  in and develop something that we've been trying to creamery for quite some time so i'm saying we've been trying to think of a way to be a little more business friendly while we're also ensuring that we're not you know doing things that don't they that counts so if this balance votes to succeed such changes is a slight ford deems necessary and said in this series series of public hearings as we discussed that i'm just i'm moving that we move on to the agenda at this point and give everybody a chance to think about it the march thirty third the mart the town meeting day vote like actually mr presser suggested perhaps you know in the next few months november you know even up till february we have opportunities to have these maybe the end of march or the beginning of april which isn't far off the current timeline and that i think that's probably the first question he we need to decide and failing a second on that motion leads me to believe the pork would like to see us on available during most of the week as the eighth of december so and also we don't have to do it on monday and i don't know why we're stuck on mondays all the time i don't know why we hold meetings on monday just to get it over with so the sixteenth or seventeenth initial minor changes before so it could be done tonight it could be done i have a meeting scheduled differently i mean perhaps the board wants to hold another meeting i wouldn't say the week of thanksgiving but the week of the week after the house to discuss this and only that you have to make the changes for te as so there is one other change i would make it but i was going to make this a perfect document and i would have eliminated hotel or motel from allowable uses conditional release approval and that is number another town because they don't have anywhere to buy they were typing more you know quaint motel hotel so i don't you know i'm just throwing it out there is something that's come up rea remainder of the meeting created choose which items we want to do it eliminate as many of the a list so i'm going to go ahead and say economic urban renewal discussion can go we're going to right now but it's something the business like what as karen said needs to consider carefully very carefully now that now that it's not going to be on town property or now it's not proposed to be on time property you know frankly my initial instinct is if you build something just like the basketball court the playground baseball field the starker field softball field school and it looks like a school it's still the school resource so what's  we've got a lot to do so the budget needs to be approved done by january fifth so if everyone is comfortable moving that to the next meeting which is december first i'm fine with that and it will also give us an opportunity there's at least one big appropriations request missing from the hill and hearty club really good for the house for i did ok so we haven't seen it yet so that's important to review before we make final decisions is there anything we need to get to know now in terms of  prepared and we've been generally pleased with the capital budget up until this point i mean whence we can see the appropriations the final appropriation section out on december first going know what the overall impact to our budget is going to be  getting cold for the holiday market has requested that one of their vendors be allowed to sell wine and serve samples yes ok so in the past we have approved  saturday december for quite a few years there all the vendors come in and set up here the library other places shops are open in santa comes it's a good time two years ago  is that just for the regular life just for the well today they've got to have their thing in order so if they don't have their license in front of us and we can sign it that's their issue so you're going from the board allow them to sell but not to taste great creamery safety ok thank you their trails recognized as part of the state one for want trail system and one really does a nation it will change the taxes they pay to the tail who are exempt them from any local permits or yada yada they want us to endorse their