known joining us later will be chair mike white before we began i'll go ahead and check in our check in with our district offices on office are you there anyone wishing to testify acquisition of the why i am from the ma we federal credit union ma we f c you acquired the gym as a result of a merger with kula community f c u on january second two thousand and fourteen and our volunteer board has wisely concluded that we cannot viably operate a gym as a credit union facility or a branch as our federal regulator might expect us to the county currently leases the gym from us which began as the lease with the cameron center on august first one nine hundred ninety seven the gym is frequented daily by the county of maui parks and recreation programs benefiting  in adult sports leagues organizations public and private schools in the upcountry area and groups of in the vigils for pickup games record recognizing the recreational historic  sentimental value of the destruction or we concluded that we would first make the gym of vailable to the colony for purchase so that it might remain available to the cooler community and residents of maui we have association board who have written letters to the council on aug eleventh two thousand and fourteen and december fourth two thousand and fourteen and provided a verbal testimony in support on april twenty second two thousand so for her input and support on behalf of her upcountry constituents and residents of maui she has been a champion for the county to acquire the g m from day one when we first proposed the idea thank you all for your favorable consideration good afternoon chair counsel my name is bobby pat knowledge and vice president of the cooler community association and i'm very happy to be here today to make sure the council knows that cool look unity completely supports the purchase at the gym we've been trying to do this for a while now and it's very important for our kids if they can't go to this gym they have to go i don't know where and i went across the street this morning and looked at it when i was  and i talked to my friend agnes this morning and she said that place has happened during basketball season and it's really important for that community to have the chip so i really hope that you approve this purchase thank matters no legislation action will be taken members as we have heard at previous meetings there is an overwhelming interest in the community for information regarding this solar energy  systems in light of the public's interest and recent p u c public utilities commission changes to its rules relating to p v we have invited the represent representatives from maui electric company to share with us like to turn over the floor to mrs zuki and thank you for being here you may go ahead and proceed ok good afternoon chair good men and members of the area a committee thank you very much for having us here today and as the chair mention we wanted to give you an update on the changes that were made to their roof top solar program and the services that we offer we also wanted to give you an update on what we're doing to meet the short covering so the first topic will be covered by jamie cook our director of renewable energy projects the short term needs will be met discussed by not making the farm manager of power supply and our long range planning plans will be covered by an on this shayla so with that we have prepared a formal presentation and after the presentation is over well thought out two questions and we'll adjust them at that time at this time i'll turn it over to jamie be talking about the customer programs and services mo electric provides for customers interested in solar and p v systems he leads the nation for the percentage of customers with installed p v systems trick has continually been ranked in the top ten by the solar electric power association we elect rick as thirteen percent versus the u s mainland point six percent of customers with installed p v systems this chart shows the rapid growth in p v installations in maui county over the last five years the red bars indicate the cumulative amount of customers with p v and we have over nine thousand customers interconnected we enter connected over two thousand customers  now energy metering started in two thousand and one fifteen years later p v has grown with the help of tax credits and an increase in solar contractors and technology price reductions existing them customers remain active in the net energy metering is transferable viral real estate sales and account changes our responsibility moving forward is to ensure that interconnected customers pay their fair share for maintaining the grid while creating a sustainable environment for p v growth our two new programs are customer grid supply and customer solve supply customer grid supply is the nearest equivalent to the energy metering program or customers receive the fix energy credit rate for access energy they send to the utility and customers in this program are charged the retail rate for energy received from the utility the customers solve supply program there is no credit for export to the grid customer uses all the generation on site  and there is a faster approval process for the under ten k w systems and this will assist customers on a highly integrated circuits and this is a quick compare this is a quick comparison of the different programs and energy metering people were credited for their excess energy to the grid and the energy credit rate was at the retail the minimum monthly bill was eighteen dollars with customer good supply there is the same credit for the excess energy sent to the grid except it's a fixed energy credit rate and there is a modest increase in the monthly minimum charge and for customer self supply there is no excess energy sent to the grid and there is no credit for the energy and the monthly minimum bill is twenty five dollars one of the greatest resources that we have for customers interested in p v is our new mo electric website we have dedicated personnel only communication channels for customers inquiring about p v interconnection and this portal customers can find information about selecting contractors and the overall application process our website we have locational value maps in each of these colored areas indicate different circuits on the island and depending on the color of the shaded area it shows how much p v has been integrated in those specific areas so this is how customers can view how much solar is on the electric grid in their neighborhood in addition link to those maps we have a street look up system where you can plug in the street name they are looking for and you can also find the various levels of p v integration in that area it's important to note that specific streets can also have multiple circuits and this is indicated in this chart here over the last five years interconnection applications were largely driven by the solar industry responding to customer demand this resulted in many p v systems being oversized electrics new online what plan tool empowers customers to get an objective size estimate for their solar system needs and this new tool is calibrated for the new customer grid supply program and also on our website we have a very great residual resource to learn about the daily integration of renewable energy on the grid for all three islands and this is a screenshot of our renewable watch for maui and you can see how the wind and solar resources are integrated on a daily level and also you can compare from the previous days metrics and i'm going to hand it over to matt mcnabb who's going to talk about how he county's current e so the current population of counties approximately one hundred forty four thousand and that is forecasted to increase to close to one hundred ninety five thousand by the year two thousand and thirty so similarly electric makes projections on how much energy the county is going need going out into the future the graph at the bottom depicts that forecast dark line right at twenty fifteen prior to that is the actual zone and to the right of it is the forecast you can see that each of our sectors use approximately one third of the energy for maui county the sectors being residential small business and large business although they each use about one third of the energy the number of customers is significantly different in each one of those sectors for residential we have approximately sixty thousand customers compare that to a large business which has just over one hundred accounts so annually molly electric looks at our forecast for energy going forward and we take into account different things like lifestyle changes you know more and more people are reliant on their their devices the technological needs for every day you know the visitor industry is constantly changing with world events new new restaurants and retail businesses open up the local manufacturing all these things we reevaluated every year and take into account any changes into our forecast going forward into the future and you know all of these things continue to create a need for reliable energy from our county so the same thing is happens on the power generation side you know we have to look at all the different things that change from year to year shown on the slide is a few of the recent changes you know eight cns recently announced changes in operations and associated with that you know early terminations of our purchase power agreement with them we have we don't hire you usage by existing customers we have customer programs w and what it's telling us is that there's a need for additional resources starting in twenty seven te so for the short term there are several options that were evaluating we're evaluating additional firm distributed generation again looking at further customer incentive programs you know  was previously installed in the smart grid project with the hawaii energy natural why a natural energy institute currently we use that to help me that the needs of the circuit during peak time and we're looking at further optimizing that towards our generation needs going forward and then we're also looking at installing additional batteries so those are some of the things that we're looking at to meet our short term needs i want to hand it over to allen and she's going to talk more about our planning process going forward  generation to meet the county's needs our current clean energy plan and jack include affordable customer bills increasing the integration of clean energy creating more customer choices while ensuring reliable continued reliable service and twenty fourteen hour clean energy plans or technically referred to as a power supply improvement plans achieve seventy two percent of our renewable energy goal through a progressive mix of different and sixteen we're looking to update these plans to cover a longer time period out to twenty forty five and incorporate some of the changes that have occurred since tw fourteen when we filed our original plan today actually actually today we'll be filing a progress report of our analysis thus far and then over the next six weeks developing a preferred plan and five year action plan in order to reach the goals mentioned before the analysis that we've been conducting over there next to continuing to conduct over the next six weeks incorporates different resources that are currently available so in addition to solar and wind it will also be considering are looking at these various resources as options in our plan so biomass biofuel geothermal waste to energy as well as storage storage options the plan to also look to integrate renewable energy to reach one hundred percent renewable portfolio standard standards which is a recent change to our laws as well as still maintaining system security reliability at the lowest reasonable cost but the plan that would be filed in april is not the end of the energy question it's not set in stone it will be revisited and we will be evaluating these plans along the way out to twenty forty five as being strange end the environment changes and requires us to relook at our plans that will look we'll consider that considers safe reliable affordable and sustainable energy plan going forward for the future change there i guess objectives of working more with diversified agriculture and getting out a sugar was pretty major we had we've been working that with them both on the energy front as well as making sure they knew about the different employment opportunities that are available at molly electric we are proud to say that we've been serving this mali community for ninety five years this year mark ninety fifth anniversary and we certainly plan to continue to do so going into the future our goal of course is to achieve the goal of hundred percent renewable energy by the year and forty five but of course we're cognizant of the concerns of your constituents and our customers in terms of making sure that that energy is out on a ford above price and that we're there when our customers want us so w pertaining to the presentation on our other related matters mr couch thank you mr chair and thank you folks for being here there's a couple things that i had some questions on in your presentation and one that kind of may have been in the presentation or implied first of all on the customer grid supply that's almost the same as net metering except for the rate is  that energy storage is not required that's correct but they can't have an absolutely ok because you're not going to give them credit if they export are they allowed to even  these customers what i'm not i don't quite get it why would they do self supply and not just be off the grid or is that a situation where the supply is there until something happens lastly you know for those of us who can't have solar because we're in multifamily or pretty much can't have solar and those that just don't have solar at the time there's this p p a charge that i see on our bill is that with the new increase in the fixed rate or the flat charge i guess is that going to alleviate that charge because quite frankly don't feel like paying for some what there are there are charges on our bills that help integrate renewable energy for everybody and in the customer base there's also plans for community based solar so their customers in the future will be able to participate in multi family units and things like that to be able to invest in offsite solar systems and get the appropriate credit so that when those as those programs mature they'll be a lot more people in our customer base to be able to participate in renewal energy  technologies i believe that p p a charges related to the energy that we purchase from our existing purchase power agreement such as the wind farms so at least at this point i don't think there's it's not related to distributed solar oh so it's still from the whedon w it's odd that we would have to pay a charge that somebody else is generating the power for you just have that concern and that charge is not a lot so i don't want to waste a lot of time on that but terms yeah i saw instead of us purchase i mean creating the energy ourselves often also feel you know we purchased some of that through purchase power agreements in general prior to entering into a purchase farben we do an assessment and one of them you know pretty much like the main thing we check is to make sure that that's going to be lower than if we had purchased or created the energy ourselves so if if you didn't have a p p a charge your bill would most likely be higher and the cost would just be as opposed to in a p p a charge through higher kilowatt hour purchase that sounds like the funny math we do with budget time i'm not quite sure how that works if you get that charge then your bill will be lower but like i said it's not a whole lot so it's just kind of discerning to see that on the thing because the people who have solar don't have that charge as far as i can tell i've seen their bills it is eight that the recent p c decision this isn't something you guys necessarily have a lot of input on but at the recent pew see decision regarding this subject limited the eyes that compared to the total is now a week we currently have seventy two megawatts of distributed generation on the net on the on the grid and that cap is going to be reevaluated again by the p c in phase two of this proceeding so it's we just put a tool on the website to be a trend have transparency on how much of that is going to be left as customers interconnect and i think it's it's important to know that that's a sort of a phase one cap on that and so that we anticipate that p c will you know raise or change that level in the future and when is phase two take place it's ongoing so when is it likely that that cap will be readdressed that's a good question the current rates for the customer good supply program will be reevaluated by the p c based on our current forecast it should take up to two years to take up to take up that five megawatts so it looks like for the short term we have enough capacity for customer demand so it's on it's uncertain as to when that will actually officially be announced by the p c there was a concern that that was that the five megawatts was a small enough number that may result in layoffs in some of our solar companies how many megawatts are currently in the pipeline currently we have about half a megawatt for customer supply for people that have applied ok so the changeover and what's the timeframe within which they normally get processed customers can expect in approximately thirty business two thousand and fourteen so are you suggesting that in the last well since the end of two thousand and fourteen we've gone from fifty three to seventy two correct ok all righty so how long do you think that five megs is going to last hopefully for the next two years if you've just gone through what is it nineteen discussions i was told that the there was and it may have been in a newspaper article that the head of the pew see suggested that they they didn't want to favor one type of renewable energy over another do you recall anything of that sort suggesting that there needed to be a balance between wind and solar or any of that sort not not to my knowledge p a predominant technology especially the customer level because of it's the price reductions keep going keep going down of micro wind it is a lot of moving parts of customers typically that you know the payback isn't there so the predominant technology in our areas is p v so i think that's you know the popularity is it's driven by the ease of the technology implementation and customer demand so i think that market forces sort of to take you know the technology at the customer level and at the tele level we're looking at everything that's economically viable economically in technology at least bob is going forward you have the person that brought it to my attention was concerned that the comment led them to feel that they were the p c was favoring protecting access to the grid for wind at the expense of p v but you've not heard anything of that sort not to our knowledge no ok because obviously wind favors folks in there that are extremely well off big corporations and so forth and if if this five thousand megawatts doesn't last very long then we were i think we're we're being held to a lesser degree of expansion  right now we're if we're at seventy two a lot who was at two hundred seventy two when we were at fifty three and i'm assuming that they're continuing to grow as well so  is the five thousand dollars or five thousand megawatt cap something that you all had any input in were you asked to provide what you felt you could handle or was this something that just came from the p aided i think it to let it develop as a collaboration between the two entities but getting back to your earlier points i think it's important to note that there's a big difference between the utility level integration of wind and the customer sited distributed generation and there are two related but separate disciplines as far as integrating those resources so you have all these you know these smaller systems all over the territory we probably better than i can with his vast experience however there is a distinct difference between those two methodologies so i think that we're not really favoring one one or the other and that there where we're being very very concerned yeah allowing for that sustainable distributed generation you know with these with these caps and we fully anticipate them to be to be changed and altered in the future to allow for and thank you for your street to the point power point presentation and i just wanted to get a little more elaboration on your slides are numbered but it's our future clean energy plans are there at the top creating more customer choices so i was just if there's any elaboration that can be made on that subject about creating more customer choices what does that mean sure exactly  there's so where we see the customers being able to participate in serving the island's needs are providing them more information so through our smart metering efforts we be able to provide customers more information about their usage and they can make their own choices about how to either reduce their bill or use energy  the way they want to if they can participate and we expect to have available time of use rates different types of other customer incentive programs that will that they can change their usage to match into the lower their bills and have more choices available to them and managing their bill instead of just just buying kilowatt hours did someone mention something i don't know about like a community o but what would that entail yes so community based solar is essentially where you have people use an example of an apartment complex where the or a condo complex where people are not able to directly control the roof space that's right above their units because you've got multiple units so they'll be able to invest individually in say an off site solar facility so th individual investment will dictate their credits that they get on their bill so this is you know something that's also happening in the nationally and developing nationally it's a very big interest in this in this movement going forward because a lot people have felt like they've been you know left out of the left out of the action because of where they live so these these models are starting to develop now which we you know and to some people will put a lot of smiles on people's faces court for it  yeah very good and then in regards to batteries i live off the grid and i need my battery source that powers right now as the lights striking the panels and then at night i can flip the switch and turn on the t v because all day long my batteries been powered and i see how has this sturgeon wailea been working so far you know it's always been technology isn't quite there yet we're not sure if we really want to invest but i'm hearing more so yes you folks would like to head in that direction so do we have you know comments on the existing battery source you do have and how you want to move in the future as far as i know the way they are batteries working out five we haven't had  any operational issues with that and in fact you know we are planning to use continually going into the future you know what one of the things with batteries has always been the cost you know so we try you know we definitely anticipate using the more in the future but you know hopefully a little later when the cost start to go down more ok very good glad you folks don't have it on there you know the menu too to look at and yeah that's  what i get and the a possible community based solar farm by a private entity how would that i'm sure you're familiar with the it used to be princeton and now it's another name and another mean but it basically starts from the so called solar farms how does that benefit a community like ours is somewhat the same like your well yeah well one of the main things we always look for prior to entering into a purchase power grid is that customers will benefit in the long run you know mainly that it will be cheaper than how do we purchased or h created the energy ourselves so that's one of the sort of the gates even to i have a purchase program with us and then another benefit of a potential purchase power agreement with a renewable facility like that is just getting off of fossil fuels which we haven't entered into any agreement yet with any developer so you know i can't say it was you know the specifics of anything like that but generally those those would be the benefits that we'd be looking forward for the customers also to if i me this earlier committee meeting we had a couple developers talk thirty three units in west that's requesting possibility of installing p v there's about five five units scattered for the arc program and these houses that will be rehabbed and the intent is also to install p v c s a so will it be a challenge for programs we analyze where they're trying to interconnect and we look at the level of p v integration on that particular circuit and depending on the results of that analysis that's what dictates whether or not someone is able to readily interconnect and even when they're not readily able to interconnect we continue to work toward finding a solution for them to interconnect and over the years especially last five years all of our analysis changes as time goes on and we're constantly analyzing and integrating more and more renewables every single year so that they're quick and easy answer is no they shouldn't have any challenges however we do analyze each and every situation to make sure further for grids such as why would doubt be of a value for us to have battery storage which we don't have but there is talk about was again this a sure so you know batteries can be used in a variety of ways and one of the ways that has proved to be the most beneficial currently is to have the battery ready to respond to some disturbance or a change in demand battery battery there allows us to lower our generation or possibly turn off a unit that generally makes more room for renewal bills such as solar so molokai does have a battery  scheduled to be installed next month actually so it's going to happen you know ok so the plan is to you know use the battery for that purpose and you know experiment exactly how much of a difference that makes and what really too much of a distinction of exactly where that energy came from we use it to help meet the needs of the circuit during the peak time so and generally that means it's probably discharging during the highest peak maybe between five and nine and charging during other times of the day if there is a new one or g available at that at those times it is increasing the load and allowing more of that renewable energy to come on to the grid if there wasn't enough load otherwise so just generally speaking it's adding load and if that makes more room for us to accept more renewable wind or solar then that yes it's being charged with that type of energy and it's being used to help meet the peak on the circuit ok and you say it's working out well but the cost is still kind of prohibitive to load up there either with batteries yeah just in general generally speaking you know batteries are still expensive and but we do think that in the future you know similar to how solar evolved that prices will be decreasing and that's sort of you know factors into our strategy of wanting to use this resource but not wanting to use it too early and then i seem to recall a couple story or a story or two about two entities and one in there currently before the public utilities commission ok these are not exist there they don't exist right now the facilities don't exist ok and those are the eleven cents an hour kilowatt hours  was that was the big news is that he got it here eleven cents an hour ok well that's very interesting that ties in a little bit i know you put it up on your one of your slides there about waste energy and we are all we have the so far not existed energy but it's my understanding they're having concern when they were talking about how much it's going to they're going to be able to generate in macon how much is going to cost everything's that's when the power was up at thirty cents or whatever kilowatt hour is now that you have a couple soldiers down at eleven is that affecting those kind of talks because if you can get solar for eleven i know it's not firm it's just it's there's a whole mix of things that are going on that we're trying  to see if we can get firm power cheap and i know the waste energy is not going to be cheap geothermal might be cheap but that's still out there too that i don't know if they've started their wells yet or not any thoughts on that i don't know if solar facilities you know directly competing with any way standard facility that being said you know i mean as prices come down as as we purchase more and more cheap energy you know it does present a challenge to other resources that may be you know more expensive that being said you know they don't all have to be the same price varying resources have different characteristics that that may suit certain needs for the grid when last night that brought up another you know with the price of oil being so low now and it's i'm assuming it's cheaper than any of the reno bills we have except for maybe the photo vote how does that how are you guys i mean you're responsible for providing us power with the cheapest at the cheapest price right so if oil was significantly cheaper than wind or solar what are your requirements on because we're trying to get away from oil right but it's maybe the cheapest especially now with figures from twenty eight dollars a barrel or something like that how does that mix in with your equations so actually i think what elon shared was what we're in the process of doing which is updating our long range plan so keeping energy affordable for our customers and maintaining reliability of the system so we can't just operate on variable radio for energy like wind and solar which is very abundant and we can see that developers can produce it at a relatively low cost however it's not always there right so we're looking at balancing that type of resource with storage and like matt said when it becomes hopefully more cost effective and like p v right that has improved so it's through this process this long range power supply improvement plan preparation process that will look at different scenarios looking to adjust their waste to energy question right as to see if based on the information that we have looking forward that demand from our customers the pricing of you know fuel and the different prices of the renewable resources what is the best mix farm alicante so looking at that three separate so that's that's what we'll be working on in the next six weeks and we did some work already trying to gather different us some sense we're fighting update like a progress report later today so we'll share that information that we have with you let me get that if i go back on your chart to two thousand and eleven from two thousand and eleven until now we've in a four year period we've generated we've had come out of the system fifty kilo watts of v generation that's about twelve and a half kilowatts per year and the cap if you say the cap is expected to last two years and that means that the cap is going to allow two point five instead of twelve and a half per year so can you help us understand how the cap was a arrived at and to and w what degree are you comfortable that it's not going to have an impact on people's ability to keep moving towards their own renewable energy set ups and and the impact it may have on the solar providers can help with that actually i was just writing down some notes because i feel like i can see your gears turning it's important to know that this really rapid i daresay explosive growth  him was related to a couple of things number one the nym program is very it was a very juicy target for the industry and it actually spawned a lot of these sort of third party add on sort of agreements where you've got companies like sun ron that have these lease agreements and you had high customer demand coupled with declining p v prices and this emerging and really aggressive industry and highly regulated industry and what we will see further chart will see that same if not increased quote unquote growth based on a year to one point five years systems well into twenty sixteen and twenty seventeen so those numbers indicate the amount of interconnected systems so that growth will still continue so we'll see we'll see the tail end of the name interconnections in the next year and a half with this new program bakken omics are different and it's definitely going to hurt it's definitely going to hurt those third party providers it's going to actually change industry and you might be aware of that there's litigation against the p c by those industry players so we've seen a slight slowdown based on the transition to the new programs we anticipate sort of a leveling off with these new programs in the sense that especially related to that white plan that we showed on the internet that these the new program will help customers right size their systems and we saw with no we love vast there was a good significant portion of those number systems that were oversized some people legitimately planning for electric cars which is good a lot of people in concert with their installers go ahead and overlaying p v prior without even doing energy efficiency or energy reduction measures so we saw this real industry push and with this calibration with the new programs we definitely see things leveling off so we anticipate that based on this new paradigm that that five megawatt cap is specific to customer good supply however you'll continue to see those existing pre approval continue to come in does that help do you have a sense of how many or how many  become the other one customer for the customer it supplies correct we currently have a i believe around three megawatts of outstanding and if it's and the five does not does not have anything to do with customer interconnect where there is no nothing being fed back to the the system correct so fit into the pending potential purchase by next i would say that it's part of what they support in our planning we definitely know that we there will be a need for investments in grid modernization so moderniz transmission and distribution systems as well as modernizing generation or being able to purchase you know edition over in europe every star says our infrastructure like storage sites see that as a benefit to having  someone like next our out who has access to large cost capital coming into the picture so they do support the plans that we had in twenty fourteen and recognizing that there is this  push of course to achieve one hundred percent renewable call it fits and what their company is all about in terms of clean energy and making investments in committee's receipt of county communication sixteen dash twenty two from the director of parks and recreation transmitting the proposed resolution entitled authorizing the acquisition of why a call from the maui federal four forty six hundred or the road kula maui hawaii for one point two million section three point four four point zero one five requires the authorization of the council for the purchase of any real property with a purchase price that exceeds one hundred thousand so members i brought this item forward at the request of the director of parks and recreation many of us are familiar with this  as part of the vehicle in the process of purchasing this property we have to approve the purchase and accept the conditions on the purchase so that's why we're here today via resolution so you have any that it talks about an unrecorded lease to us why would we need to have that mentioned since we're buying place right that's one that a fairly many question but the other one is  just it's just that vehicle accessed or someone else has sensually right to access we do know who that is or is that the glass blowers next door i have no idea it says because we don't i don't think we have the document that it refers to we don't have the actual warranty that it's recorded in but i don't think it's my memory and we discussed it it's nothing major it's it's been there as long as we've owned the gym and it's never been a don't really think that's too much of an issue but was there an inspection of the property done to establish whether or not we have significant or insignificant repairs  chair as far as a true property spec sheet in the from the parks department we haven't done that part it was probably part of the appraisal process but again the gym is fairly weathered i would say so we do know that there are some but there are those of us in this room when it there was fire damage i believe we fixed it the county because we controlled it so i think we know what we're getting into in the sense that we've we've controlled it for the last however many years but no formal inspection was completed down the toilet and as i said i think that the fact that the the purchase prices is very reasonable i'm just asking because i think it's responsible for us to understand what we're getting into so they get  rot termite and so on my question in regards to this area is be in the how old it is is there any lead paint issues or any especially those type issues structure itself so that's what appraiser is also stating in the appraisal also i guess it's has a legal nonconformity in regards to parking so it was never needed to create any parking stalls i guess back in the day or some requirements were the same back i'm not sure we were aware of any problems and again we've run this gym for a long time as a county facility so i think we've made do over the years thank you ok yeah i guess in current code standards it would require twelve stalls but back in the day that code didn't exist sitting for maybe a horse stall or something  just because you know and i obviously people do drive their part somewhere somehow that overall very very supportive of the measure thank you very much chair and thank you very much and somebody said they predict twenty years left if i live that long i'll be very happy i'll be ninety five so this is really an important part of couldn't and i think that's the point that we want to keep in mind folks you know this is a number one priority of community association and the reason for that of course is its importance to the community you know like one of the testifiers said who's very involved it's in use all the time and there is  alternative and so i think it's really important that we grab this property another thing that we've talked about when we were talking about this at the call a community association was they were very concerned that if the county didn't buy it for this purpose that somebody else might buy it and use it for something else which would be totally up sitting to that tiny little county area of cool data subcompact dense and small you know it's a use that is compatible it's been there i think longer than most of the people that live around there anymore and so the community association really wanted us to buy it and keep it and use it for what it is now so i really appreciate the support of my colleagues thank you very much thank you thank you and just to add to this prices support for this it's not just the cool community that benefits from that gym because my kids from played played basketball and volleyball there so the you know the use of the gym extends beyond cool and it is a critical piece of our county infrastructure so my questions earlier certainly were not aimed at questioning the purchase because i think it's they're asking a very fair price it's below the appraised value and and i think it's something we should do and i think  point is well taken that we should have done it since some type of inspection and maybe there's still time to to do one before our first reading you know what really passes through at least try to get some type of inspection done but my other concern and i didn't relate this to miss shepherd before the meeting was the language in that in the code regarding section three point four four  hundred quire in the council to approve purchases for a property that exceeds one hundred thousand and in that section it also requires the director of finance to either number one do an appraisal or number two accept an outside of the base and so i was wondering whether that you know just looking at this appraisal is dated july twenty sixth two thousand and thirteen so obviously it was  it was according to a cm's letter off dated august ninth it is to the cooler community federal credit union so this is an outside appraisal so my question is did the fine director of finance approve or accept accept this appraisal and if so is there some any kind of documentation that says hey this is the finance director has can you know i acknowledge is this appraisal as the one that review that and i accept that and he has reviewed this and accepted this appraisal as appropriate and so members are is that sufficient enough for the verbal any need for written documentation missed by so i think you very much share i have had many conversations about this purchase recently with mr he would not go and here shoot me that the paperwork and everything was in order that the appraisal was higher than what we're about to the verbal acknowledgement without having any type of documentation that shows that the finance director has i guess consented or approved of it praising or accept its excuse me  chair there's not a formal process required and i believe on this one as was communicated by miss by so i don't see a problem with it thank you mr cowen think his share and as far as the inspection is concerned i mean it's been our facility and we are releasing it for quite a number of years so any repairs needed to be done would be on us anyway so it's one of those things we've been using a personal long we should know exactly what's wrong with it so i wouldn't want to spend extra funds on something like that myself because we've already are going to use it are they keep mr white yeah i  agree with mr couch my question was had we done one and you know i don't think it's i don't think it's a thing that should hold up the process and i'll just point out that the assessed value from  you thank you thank you very much i'm moving on to the next i don't believe this is year forty seven the execution of the park assessment agreement for come on line e subdivision pursuant to section eighteen dash eighteen point sixteen point three two zero maui county code and the proposed park assessment in cream and the purpose of the pros resolution is to approve the park assessment agreement whereby the developer ventures l l c has agreed to fully satisfy the conditions of section eighteen point sixteen point three two zero of the maui county by providing six point five acres of land and improvements for park in playground purposes as a condition of the subdivision approval for the development of ninety four point three five two acres in north here we have here before us the propos and with the park agreement and you know as far as what they're proposing the parks department is in conjunction with them they will be kind of updating and expanding our current peed on the park and that's the major scope of the park assessment for the park standpoint the two pocket parks i believe will be a public private park where public still could go and use the pocket park city chose to however not the community center to be a community center at the very beginning of phase one with  park there was a community center before homeowners only but the other parks are available to the public from our discussion thank you mr couch thank you mr chair he said the community center what i didn't see that in the dream it is that it's separate it be it for the homeowners it out of the community center it's more of a right it's not in the agreement though ok on that and it's i'm not sure it would be an agreement or even supposed to be in there but they could to get out this is just in discussion with the phase they were going to be like i want to go to a community center by the center for the homeowners so these two approximately one acre private hocket parks are going to be private and the department prefers that because they won't have to maintain that there right yet for the most part and the size of it is just you know it's not where you put it in the playing field or anything like that sorry for that point we rather have the association maintain those areas  and it will take care of the the actual park that we can use for playing fields ok now the bigger park doesn't show any playing fields and now you're saying that there's going to be someone there it bottom side of the park is that right yes it will join into the current park to the current and so we'll have two separate parking areas the one that's existing at holly pilani and then the one further north everything seems to be ok and i like the concept of the pocket parks as well because you know just to spread out the green area and people when they go on their walks or whatever can can deal with that but the homeowners association is going to have to pick that up right the maintenance of that yes that's on their responsibility as far as meeting as well yet everything comes from the cutting of grass and everything else ok i'm the only thing that we would maintain is the third face pilani park extension sure do we have any say if they start letting it go for whatever reason do we have any are we going to have any say in that you're not i mean in a sense that's their community and i wouldn't see why they would let it go but  ideally i would yeah we could say something but definitely as a homeowner association i'm sure they'll be saying something first it doesn't don't be maintained because those parks actually for it within the soul i mean it's definitely part of the landscape and when does the big one is that going to be built they say in what is going to be it with the one hundred seventy units that are going on right away in the like all development our park is passed and that's part of we had a lot of discussion you know with the planning stages you know it's basically malar is a great example we're getting our park turned over first phase of it after twelve years  so those are things that you know we would like to see our park not wait for the completion of a project but that's a deeper issue that involves you know a lot more departments when it comes to that as far as planning and everything else but to answer your question no it won't be built in the first phase i guess we probably should have thought that planning right that's i would know i would think it would have been it changes only time i don't know do we have the ability to change this agreement at all so to just do my understanding of it you know it's it's five hundred square feet per unit but the first three units being exempt so as you build out your project you really don't have the six acres competed yet into you've accomplished the whole housing project of the five hundred feet per unit and that's been kind of that trigger where for example you know we all buy loni it's they had to build x amount of hundreds of homes for to release the twelve acres that are funny folds now there's a second phase that they still cochran's committee because it's in subdivision right that gets taken care of i think but can we get a letter to say can we fix that because it's similar to affordable housing i don't want not that in b s going to do this but potentially other developers go over done now we don't we only have a couple left in a way and don't do the park or we have the park twelve or twenty years later can we do something about consecutive or prior to yeah well i'm tired of that or some sort of first before the actual infrastructure which is pretty cool so infrastructure had to build around and skate so i know what you're talking about but  is there any other questions on this cocker think it's here and that yes thank you mr couch that's i think a good point and also i know there's examples out there where the parks actually never ended up being built i mean years go by and maybe that was the case they just didn't finish off all those intended units and these sort of walked away and the community lost out so be nice to follow up with those in her put you know put put a protective yes it is it's compliant and in fact we went back and forth with andy a few times on the format to make sure that it was something that was easy to read user friendly and follow the code so i accept six acres on the top that you know they could put something up there possibly is about i can definitely confirm what i believe that was in the discussion if they could put something up for us for our maintenance putting our mores and everything in that i mix are privately owned maintained by developer or its successors that is we're assuming the h o a s of this development would be have the responsibility there yes that would be the cognizant homeowners associations ok and here i'm sorry i think i missed the discussion and comedian initially that accepted this project or was there like a dollar amount that perhaps is going to be added to the price ranges of these units because of the cost to manage these privately owned parks with his this development was ever discussed so i know sometimes when you start adding up the numbers have not been so affordable anymore but ok i don't know what that's a good question or to call him a shepherd or this is being developed by the developer out of the rebel a purse cost that's not going to be passed on to the cost of the affordable housing units is my understanding because it would change the equation of what is all require it's it's definitely need some t l c for sure yet again the intent of the department again not just waiting for that you got to come up and get the new part but we do have that our schedule to actually resolve that in return for that as well to get the thing up and running  i want to see there's a basketball court there as well yeah so even looking into that and kind of rehabbing that whole park and you know bringing it to where it should be any further questions yeah  is being proposed currently there's a huge population in this community the king into their environmental health you know and and safety tests being done bring that to the forefront because i've been having a lot of communication with the community stating there there is certain you know their concerns basically and having parks where children and animals and  you know families will be playing upon and downwind from and things of that nature there's open litigation currently in regards to  pesticides in the pipe you homes and things because a very proximity to existing agricultural fields and what have you so i just wanted to bring that up and again not to take away i understand the need but also i understand the need for us to protect the community and making sure that we're not putting anybody in danger and what have you but this case will be heard by the end of the year and there will be a clear you know point to it and so was just wondering on our behalf to be safe for our community to kind of put on hold for the moment but again not to take away from you know a community which are which is our parks and recreation for our families and that respect sherry just wanted to point that out being that it's been you know heavy on my mind but also a lot of people almost half of the population  the next item on the agenda e r thirty five this is ocean recreational activity five this actually was referred to us by the budget committee to evaluate strategies that enable the fund to be self sufficient in supporting enforcement of the commercial recreational activity permits the committees in receipt of the miscellaneous communication dated twenty may twenty eighth two thousand and fifteen from the county clerk transmitting the matter relating to the ocean recreational activity fun members section thirteen point zero four point three four zero of the maui county code establishes the ocean recreational activity find and provides that fees collected for ocean commercial recreational activity in or on the county property are to be put into the fund and used to implement the regulation of that activity under article ten of the including salaries for purchases of equipment and maintenance of the county property as you know this community just completed the extensive review of the proposed bill that would repeal chapter thirteen point zero four and replace it with a new chapter thirteen point zero four a overhauling the regulations concerning ocean recreational activity among other things however the section establishing the ocean recreational activity fund was carried forward in the proposed bill thout any changes we anticipate the committee's recommendation in that regarding before the council before we meet for budget meetings in march fourth of two thousand and sixteen so today the purpose of this is basically to assist the budget committee and we will discuss certain ways to get this fund self sufficient and so why don't we go ahead and start analyzing what's going on with this activity fun this ocean recreational activity fun what's the status of it what are some ideas or improvements we can start thinking about before budget therefore is it's being passed on those numbers will identify as far as our are you today totals from the actual core of fun which is in the uppers of four hundred thousand dollars that we current changes and you know the way it's been handled is bringing that back to the forefront there's a lot of areas that need improvements and it's a great opportunity for our our structures and our community to have this program going i think this today was just more to open the dialogue there's a lot of ways that we can go with the route of korra and get the revenues that other counties are getting in different ways which is again it's been going on for a decade now so you know there's a lot of resistance in certain areas but it ought to be permitted to be it need to be done as well as you know finding ways that you know were we want to be so sustainable with the money that we do generate we want to see it be put back i notice you have pursued professional services here for over one hundred one thousand three years ago four years ago and has gone down to six thousand this year what was that the security chair that was the it that was our core study ok and you know mr cherry think we we do need to do some sort of study on there and once we get that study done then we need to really seriously consider putting upping those amounts because he we should be getting revenue from for the park rangers even should pay for all the park rangers and any you know necessary services  there which means you know that opens the door to how we're going to give out those permits you know those are going to be in our p concession i don't know if this is the meeting for that but i think that needs to be talked about sooner rather than later to to beef up these funds because they do need to pay for the park rangers i was the whole idea with the park ranger program th years and just last year is when he came up to one thousand i want to say for the first two and in five hundred therefore any of the ones after two and i'm mistaken that was the that's where the pot got started was smaller fees never collected for all the partners that are issue ok and currently we have where's the current zero four hundred twenty two thousand yes ok and and share you wanted to see how we can improve the utilization of the money i just think is the question to the director is with the monies that's being currently collected  you know what exactly are you specifically using the for all i see here operations or you mentioned that there are i guess issues or points that could be improved or do you have an idea of what and you know as far as the ones who are aren't core vendors and are using the facilities you know we need to get out there but again we still only have a few it's five park rangers so with all the beach parks that we do have the time frames are going you know it's definitely we start a little short that and so if we do get to a point where we start realizing the kora fee structure i feel that with that income we should be able to sufficient more manpower as well as you know vehicles and whatever data tools that they need to be work with and i guess what i would be asking from the director is as you start to develop to the core a section of the chapter i know that that wasn't really drafted out on the most recent of the new chapters so as you begin to do that i would hope that the you know this activity fund would be incorporated as part of you know generating its own  always discussed it as a referral from the budget committee and so when it does come up we can say we spoke about it ok without objections members i will defer that matter jack no object cough course and revenues for the golf cart rentals thank you budget committee the committee is in receipt of a miscellaneous communication dated may twenty eighth two thousand and fifteen from the county clerk transmitting the matter relating to the wire who misspoke golf course rates and revenue it's also the budget committees minutes april second indicate that committee's concerns at that time was that the golf course so why don't we go ahead and begin with the revenues and then we will after the revenues look into the current golf course rates i know that we had as the budget committee changed those rates and water are there any aftereffect or any consequences to that or is it working out what what is the status you so in front of you this past all right now is the revenue sheet for three years thirteen fourteen and fifteen you know since in general golf in general has been going down across the board across any resort course  and anything else but as you can see the revenue if you're looking at it the revenue is showing increase from the rounds played put the revenue is in now was due to the increase in the rate fees from this past fiscal year  but take into consideration our county is down substantially rounds of golf so that's a catch twenty two for me business and point is you know we want to capture touching the rounded we go back to our number rounds of golf and with the increase our revenue would be off the charts but that's what they were trying to fight together to put together and see what can we do differently and really look at where we're finding some decreases in and how can we better that and that's where we're kind of looking at today and moving forward with that there are some options that you know todd allen brings to the table from arizona that he's been with the golf courses and together we've come up with some ideas that you know may work but giving us the kind of kid into it and how can we move forward some of the new programs that we can bring to the golf course for those low peak times and again looking at the fee structure if we need to decrease or decrease with the current fee rounds in other resort courses right now currently our twil some of the challenges that you're facing and what are some of your ideas about the record yes thank you currently we are from all the data that i've seen and looked at were losing about two thousand to twenty five hundred rounds a year so i would like to promote a more intensive junior golf program and possibly reach out to some of the younger residents and encourage them to play golf we're also looking at having the flexibility to create some specials during our down big time times you know november december january february march no problem we have a lot tourists and we make a decent amount of money but then in the summer progresses we start losing some of that revenue and there is a possibility that we could do some different things run some  tournaments you know all sorts of stuff as well as reach out to the community is as the hotels and tourists for vans in ventura show them over so is there the director did mention that some of our rates i believe he said the twilight rates are more expensive than the private courses going on right now is that my understanding our visitor rate right now wolf we are in competition directly with the neighboring golf courses so there is the not necessarily the nine hole rate but the visitor vary and the twilight rate we are in comparison to lonnie now and we and as well as in our country club and so i think that could possibly be where we're losing some of our rounds over the last three arrived at least ours is mr couch thank you mr chair and you know for the last three or four budgets sions been talking about seeing if we can give them the opportunity to have flexible rates during the off times when this situation because when the competition lowers their rate we're going to lower ours at the same time so i think that's part of why this came up is that we need to see if we can put in any provisions in the budget code competition is now down at forty five dollars which includes cart then we got to make our rate to equal that or be just slightly below zero so we have to figure out what the low rate and we're going to need your help there for a budget at least if if the committee is amenable to that is to have what's the lowest rate you think you need to charge you know what's the highest rate you need to charge and then we put in some language to say you know we charge everybody in that category that rate you can't pick and choose kind of thing for that day or for that week or hour every year you want to do it i don't know if the other members are amenable to that but i think we're going to need something like that why don't we ask as a committee if mr allen and the director can put together their proposal i know that when we did the rates we're kind of you know shooting from the hip and i was quite concerned on that  junior rates when it when it came out i know that some of the parents have been calling me when they went in and initially went out and said that they had to pay twenty dollars it's on the weekends but yeah ten dollars on the weekdays if they paid him a monthly fee and so i was like wow wow it was quite confusing and maybe you guys can probably put together some proposals that you could send to our committee and before budget so that we can at least present to the budget committee some of those concerns and at least some rates that that are workable for for you folks there at the course mr white why don't you what makes it so yes yes that makes no sense for us to be putting ourselves in a noncompetitive situation with the rest of the golf courses so if you folks give us some recommendations we will move forward on that how is the maintenance going on over there or the greens and fairways getting into shape yes think you are on a positive note with the decrease in rounds and actual increase in revenue it's give us a little more time to from an agnostic standpoint to improve the golf course overall there's still quite a bit that we can do to improve upon the playing conditions specifically the greens and maybe some of the bunkers we still have an extensive we've controlled program ahead of us that's going to be ongoing for several years just just based on our past history  so i do have a lot of things that i would like to present as a you know as a parks department a whole what we want to make changes on and see if we can get the council to move in that direction  needs when it comes to as well as even our of our sewer system so there's definitely some money that's going to need to be spent to get those facilities up to par i don't think it was anything done since he was there who you saw just a little head up on that kind of concerned about that for a while streets but anyway so whether it's the department you'll be ok with putting something together for this committee ok thank you all members without any objections i'd like to