is a small working dairy farm and we've been making cheese here for about fourteen years and to my right is arthur willey who is a dear friend of mine known each other for quite a few years now way so you saw a little more cooperation oh yeah back then it's interesting a couple things you said small herd of a cows would be nothing today but ironically there does seem to be a trend where farms are finding large scale production either isn't for them or it isn't as economically viable as they thought so a lot of people are going back to the smaller scale and  adding a niche product as we have with the cheese where there are people making butter and selling butter and cheese and things like that  and that everybody else i mean largely it was a farming community so everybody around you was doing the same thing touch on you used to be quite the sugar maker and did that did you start out at janeway farm you d yeah did he farm right up to the end or try to yeah yeah were there any other family members that kept the farm going with them or just the other yeah  read different things and i read somewhere that the he so i would keep trying to find more customers and then of course you don't have one coast well i have to stay there during the war perfect later i put it on a pipe on the back side of the house and it didn't work never worked as well december so he had to start right in the legislature to get him so he didn't have time to hang around with any and i heard afterwards he said the only thing about me was i was so young from  of course i didn't get the best of help but i have yet some young followers or somebody that couldn't get a job anywhere else i probably worse  energy to do all on top of you know you were in charge of everything the farm oh yeah how many employees did you have there well who tried to have t that hasn't changed and you were malchen are about thirty at that point or something like that and i ended up making sixty five and i don't know when really they had all together so we could put an end to the top of the reaction but it done there and i'd start up the floor and run all night seven we had an hour and i was one or worse fifteen cents a gallon i have no idea who could do it today though but it made you couldn't really have it beautiful it was just green when you took it out it was when you put it in there and it was dry but had to be water some of them more as you look back over the years what are some of the most amazing innovations or improvements if you want to call them improvements that you've seen i think sometimes three nights three days a week after a while he said well you shouldn't shouldn't be wearing a neck brace but in your case i guess you'll have to a other than the hay elevator what was another great invention on the farm that you enjoyed make your life better that i would have been great to get things done didn't have the same interest in the farm not really he didn't want to take it over you know he was the best helper while he was there yeah either been too cold or too wet last week and we had snow on the ground yeah morally we what do you think about the weather you've seen more history of weather and been with farming been so involved with it well it's definitely changed what is not a little unusual to have snow on them or away we've had it once go yeah there i wish i kept better track of that we had a year here when we had to run a bulldozer to open up our sleeve trails for the horses and after we open up the trail you just see the horse's head and the driver going around the field i mean i think i don't remember the intensity of heat that we have now during the summer and we got to a point of knocking sixty five seventy cows and that had it struggles and frustrations and we now are not going to twenty five or thirty and we also grow a big garden  has generated a lot of interest in the state of vermont because there are so many cheesemakers here that we get a lot of the sitters here to the farm specifically because around the area and they just loved to come and visit and help and some of them wanted to see a calf born and i had a c to have an appreciation for a well i do think i personally think that there will always be a place for farms here i think transportation costs are go to come exorbitant i think small local communities will rely more and more on the farm well thank you for taking the time to talk we should do