haven't already please sign ian and then the first thing we have is public to be heard and this is for anyone who wants to speak about something that is not on the agenda go over there and what i'm going to ask is that we hold all the questions still everything is presented because that makes the flow a lot easier and then when you do speak make sure you state your name for the the sidewalk problem and originally from the end of the existing sidewalk to the great plains road that was to be a sidewalk kind of duke except for us all right we scaled that back a little bit section between point road and proper road just now the same as the other which is a five foot wide concrete sidewalk and that was done to minimize any questions about any part of that decision has been made it this way where future extensions what side of the road they may be on the conceptual playwright if i remember correctly just ended at the fire department property and didn't have the crossing  it was pretty adamant that there be some destination when he reached that sidewalk there was somewhere to go and that's why we ended up with the crossing and landing on the pratt road that you know well i think when we first proposed and did the entire head the entire segment from the center until three of them you proposed you know just the conceptual design the fire department at that point was not willing to talk about those kind of issues because as i think they were just years ago yeah several years ago never just concerned about you know what it meant to their property this far because it grabs a good chunk of the population who would be willing to walk to the center store and that was the hope at that point but once we started the transportation plan and people where you know sidewalks and other parts of t own we thought a full plan to let us know where priorities were and where we should be spending our money so everybody doesn't think we're just focusing on one section of town any other questions  f i remember there was some in korea about possible ancient burials or something on the duncan property and spot so why is that on the map like this if it's not moving for instance planes road stop sign there surely project this think you may be right about the salt because you know traces a town really tend to be a much know is that the sidewalk construction on most projects how many projects tends to be one of the last things that happens towards the fall so the concrete doesn't have time to cure sufficiently before going by memory here so this one first one is actually about six feet high was pretty uniform for work entire life ok you know somebody are trying to call or go off the sidewalk you have to have something to keep them on the sidewalk wherever there's a part of drop more than thirty inches  up here and even once you get the easement it takes a trance quite a long time to go through their process of approving the right away lands and then in the final construction drawings movement documents i mean i'm  planning on putting in the budget that would be under construction fiscal year fifteen so that could be summer or early spring of two thousand and fifteen i'd like to see it happen our budget or your budget supervision of the library trustees so really they're an employee of the library trustees and and they're the ones that are responsible for setting their compensation their benefits because i was just wondering when you have to twenty four when you're starting to think of it then since i spoke with greg and he can firmed my understanding that it's up to the so  salary and benefits and the way the charter is worded that supports it we also suggested that we clarify that in that person ok so it's almost four thousand dollars to have to pay the librarian perseid her days mornings before thousand dollars for next year i was just wondering did do the board consider trying to find a volunteers in the other volunteers place i mean if she's not able to do it anymore maybe maybe somebody else would like to charge a fin put any other questions if not we certainly thank you for your time in a christian nation of your budget you know now that we're starting to work our way through the process   adequate revenue from cover the cost of british soil we are where does the money for the resources coming from to operate this address you're almost a million one hundred thousand for a placeholder show relatively on where that money comes from that's a contribution from our well here personnel we can just under a hundred thousand from our subscription program we get   other services we provide c p r training standbys those sort of things and we estimate war about six thousand this year on interest ready for that money go up well the big fairly expensive but a fully equipped good and for fifty five fifty dollars grand right with all the bucket all the gear  jericho is two dollars and ten cents less for guessing about you know because it's only a part of the population give us a dollar fifty per cover person hand and six junction they can thank sixteen making these things explicit and transparent is almost always a proof in discipline and transparency and clarity and understanding and frequently and improvement every result of is very easily identified which sounds to me like you think it is it's more tension and then making an explicit transaction doesn't necessarily gain you much mostly gains you things where the cost is kind of does it and until you force somebody to show us right they can do exactly the exaggerate or underestimate depending on which is of their own numbers for how much it cost you just patch and you subtracted it you know there yes right at very least at very least it looks better to everybody about it all and it gets further complicated by the fact that the dispatching is paid for out of the town budget and the junction which is separating supposedly there are no that they've ever contributed until recently have the opinion that they pay for it through their town taxes so there's it's i'm not really money one of the reasons he's asking that is i think is an observation that a large percentage of the population make it because i know we all five fire trucks and twenty cops and the just unbelievable and you go you know that's where overkill and somebody will say ah because they're all of you know or all of the take they're going to go out there you know put in their time and make things like that there's usually a grain of truth in that somewhere maybe they're not quite right maybe that even right at all but it's rarely the case that it's absolutely without  supposing that your information operates like a place they have real directives from corporate to to admit to admit people even when they're when they need far more advanced level of care they're talking about you know number of beds pills and yet the caregivers the people who are supposed to be focusing on proper care for them for the person at hand are are rewarded and punished according to he know the the admittance or the the level of occupancy so i mean i was just i was just imagining that  think it's so that's why i think it's worth going over what they have they're proposing to do up the other side and i've been talking about this all day the first thing is that they i found out that they did respond to explain what they did is that they originally on the rotating policy for they had two town managers they changed that to two town managers last ministries from participating towns one if you recall two years ago when this whole discussion started they had changed their formula and they were basing it on the percentage of the population and that resulted in jericho's assessment going down from about seven thousand to fifty six hundred like a design weekend with the which the town decided to budget for last year and pay in full and budget for this year and painful well when they when i received the their request for this bill year fifteen there's an increase to eighty seven hundred but that's the first of a three year phase in because they've they didn't really change if they didn't change their formula but what they decided to do is to reimburse the municipalities who contribute an office the last two or three physically years burlington hasn't received a reimbursement even though they may contribute to officers in the diner and the directors so the real cause of the change is starting to them and it will reimbursement to burlington for there they haven't asked for before i think they have in previous years it's like in fiscal year fiscal year eleven they receive thirty five thousand dollars back and so the way this projection goes is that by the time this year seventeen rolls around their projected will reimburse burlington seventy seventy three thousand dollars and assessment will go up to just shy of fifteen thousand and i have been doing some figuring and so we wind up paying them a lot more than we that you know originally before the change of form it was based on case history and we didn't you know we didn't like that and so they wanted to the percentage of population would seem fair fair at the time because they were talking about reimbursing the tell to contribute officers looking at the so i did some figuring today in my thought is that it seems we should go back to taking into consideration to some extent the history of the cases what i looked at and i'm not saying this is the right answer but it's just one of probably a lot of different  certainly if there's a systematic difference which i suspect very young like access rescue where there i'd be surprised if there's a systematic difference of the incidence of calls between the  south burlington broken by far burlington they had their their percentage of the three year average was thirty eight percent so what i thought is well you know there's that there's a fixed cost to this thing so what they did is they said importance with the best thinking about public so the so that public service prices well that perhaps we should they should base the contribution towards the officer charge based on which burlington's reimbursement from seventy three thousand dollars down to forty thousand because they're using the good writer of the service and brought jericho's propose final phase in assessment f which is which is that we all pay for the availability of the service rep i'm on your capita basis and then you know that that uses the usage charges more and i would take the same view as it's rescue  he has a lot of institutional knowledge and he really was very convinced that there was not necessarily a need for jericho to i mean i understand that this board is taking a different saying it's a racket we want to be part of the very i'm not necessarily against that now but but i think there's a sort of a question about how the price where right because with it with the suggestion is we just want to reimburse the don't commute seventy five percent of  what their expense for that office or where did you get the number for her mouth usage from from a prior budget and it's from two thousand and nine ten eleven those are the only figures i have you know maybe it's a five year average maybe it's a three year maybe it's not even but what i figured is why not take a hundred percent exactly the value of what the communities are donating right figure out how much of that value they're wrapping allegedly so i mean there's not there's not a when i bring my glasses so i can't read it you have to tell me what it is always like you know there's not really a whole lot to discuss but  some way to start if if we decide to do so work on the library edition the forty thousand dollars is just a placeholder at this point would probably be more contract designed in permeating the lives of the architect yeah are within the same category you know that are kind of crappy are going to be done like homestead old farm but yet we're going to wait another year you're going to paving and grounds traces adjacent to sunset ridge so it's likely to come in cheaper to do those roads because they are adjacent to each other the same with homestead farm and in old farm road  ok and cattle creek is off of brown's trace again so there's not much of a moving charge so there's that sort of thinking that goes into you know what do we do when as on as well as the trying to make sure we take some of the  last two roads as well as the last throws it's nice to have that explained record ok through each each year again then you have the gravel road improvement that's always been one hundred thousand dollars to get rid of those berms update the public were specifications it was something they were hoping to do this year but we didn't quite make the deadline for the planning grant but we plan on the plan for planning grant do that so we can come up with our different street types for different locations that it's on the gravel road business seventeen improvements that's something that we we received a design and engineering grant for so that it should and right now because we've always had six trucks going we would have the four full timers and in the past we hired two people pretty much part time for the winter now we have five thousand dollars up in grant funding for the construction you see to match that we have twenty five thousand dollars out of the operating budget about twenty five thousand dollars out of the reserves so which grant was that was and has you have the public hearing on this you're going to be talking about the bridge improvement you know i'm sure the question is going to come up with status of the pet bridge right and as i front porch form the  since there was a you know there was such a big deal that the castle cemetery at last meeting and there was a question between the two surveys between mr bill a new survey or another survey or about the  planning conference on municipal requirements and the opportunities for violent energy code in above code programs and therefore it was voluntary where they had to file it if you know that then it that if you anytime you do something that opens a wall that wall just that piece of wall has to be made more energy efficient to meet the new code so it's not it's new bill it's your decisions it's your alterations that your innovations and your repairs if you keep a wall out you know if you just open a wall to do something like you're going to renovate your kitchen and you're going to redo them but what if you don't get the while back and you have to make the error more  and this is a little extreme but that's what they're saying this is yet to do it first of repairs and stuff is that it's only the area that's exposed but the idea is they're going to make the wall electrical box of the house and a copy goes to the missed penalty to be filed with the land records and a copy has to go to the public service department because there what they're trying to do is figure out the weather is ation of the housing stock of the lot and where ya and but basically they're you know saying that if it's something new you know call them first and because of what they provide you will you'll from across the state and talking to senators to legislators and the big deals what they're going to be talking about this year in terms of energy use you know where some more dollars weather station how we're going to make this easier because you're talking about eighty thousand also talking about impediments to small scale local energy projects trying to make it much more you can have small scale local siting you know within you know generally new stuff like that and an r is actually working on a state idling know i want to raise the issue of public ok but some of the things some of the executive session to do with ideas about specific outright and therefore won't take a session but i'd like to raise in public the idea of creating a jericho community development corporation which would be a free stand wholly owned by the town but completely free standing would have gotten no money from from the general fund and grants when it raises whatever money it can so on it's tax exempt you can go through the bond bank there are significant funding opportunities and advantages to that are not available if you don't do it through with a vehicle to push that forward and i'm and the reason i've come to that conclusion is one you know that this last planning effort produced something that i think was sufficiently concrete and sufficiently interesting so there was a lot of support for the idea and at that last meeting i thought the general feeling was that's great we love it how the help we have or make it happen that's a question neither is a good idea it's how do how does it happen i happen to believe and have for quite a while that nothing will happen until the town pushes it but i'm a fiscal conservative as you know i do not believe t know general gration capacities i believe in using down general good creating long term absolute that for the purpose of risky activities if all of that leads to the conclusion that if you want a vehicle that is capable of being an active player and you don't think it should be funded by the taxpayer directly then it has to be a freestanding development corporation there are a number of them in vermont and it's a known thing they tend to be regional multiple towns where there's no reason why it couldn't be one town and indeed if we created this thing there's no reason why and some but he said absolutely it's in principle both very feasible legally and very feasible financially there are a lot of banks that would be interested and stepping up to participate in something like that without touching the town's general gration i think it's an interesting idea you know let me go one last thing the second saying that that was driven by the fla but since then the development of the reverse property situation where the with the you know i thought we were going to be several years before we had all you know that most people did and now it looks like the fire department is changing their mind fairly radically and that means i mean if they really put it on the market for a million a half dollars real developers are going to come forward and want a line that's that's real and that means real it's if if we don't want that to happen or if we want to have a say i wouldn't say we want to stop it necessarily but we want to have the ability to to influence maybe even control it then we need a vehicle and it's a sort of feel like you know everything we've done so for years i was sitting around talking about how cool it would be if a nascar race took place in a certain way but we don't have a car to run it you know and you can't race in unless you have a car and we don't have a car and the town has no vehicle in which you can write rules which say if you do something they have to be it has to be done like this but we can't make anything happen we have no vehicle to actively participate in pushing things for and i was particularly interested at that at that last meeting where brian  that the the the e c fiber is just one of these is like this i mean it's a consortium of its own wholly by twenty four towns it's rather more tons of it it was set up for a particular purpose but the vehicle could do other things no reason why it couldn't and they might even be easier because if you get into property developer if you're able to buy land it's much easier to get science because you have collateral and you know it's not a sport a company where banks go yeah whatever doesn't work and there's no there's no collateral in this case there are at least two big properties we might actively b