was able to observe you video video league and so i was able to you great questions to mr a mr good discussions with the auditor with the clerk and some others as well as being always kept up to speed by our responsible staff stating that we should take testimony before we time when you speak in the chambers we have a lighting system green means to speak yellow means you have thirty seconds remaining and read means to stop please address your comments to the chair and it needs to be on the please to maintain the decorum in this chambers so this time we'll ask mr james leary if he would come forward and share his testimony with the committee please morning chair good morning members and then queue for the opportunity to speak my name is dr james leary i am a specialist with the college tropical agriculture and human resources my expertise is in invasive species management the science and research of i have experience in who i managing invasive species for twenty years now and i've been serving the county of maui for since two thousand and nine in that time i have had the opportunity to collaborate and coordinate with the maui invasive species committee and have contributed over one hundred thousand dollars annually to so ensure their success in their projects including my coney a frog and the latest one little fire ant my expertise in plant science invasive plant science and so i've largely focused on my coney a efforts that misc has led in so  here to support misc and their efforts to maintain and build new capacity in controlling little fire ant on maui it is it is a incipient problem they have become worse if we don't address it and so i'm here to support their efforts and again with the background that i have my support in practically puts my money where my mouth is and so then you for the opportunity to express my support for their efforts thank you very much dr leary on your testimony this morning so can you tell us how much the state is up for this this type of program i'm unfamiliar with how much they members who i'm familiar with their annual budgeting and the state i'm going to guess and but it is in writing it's in the order of sixty to seventy percent of their funding comes from the state largely through the department of land and natural resources through the hawaii invasive species council my contributions are through state and federal grants that i've written and also my salary as a state employee i spend anywhere from seventy to eighty percent of my time focusing on issues that are being addressed by the misc so we have a good relationship that way i thank you for that thank you and i was going to ask the same question you know your best thank you very much maybe you can give us an idea are we getting a better handle on the fire ants and or we just still lagging behind in no matter what effort we're may never catch up right well i think the short answer in the convenient answer is it's a long term commitment and the challenge typically with these programs is they're running on annual funding cycles and so they ebb and flow with with the climate of the economy but invasive species don't recognize it in fact they can exploit conditions when we're in a down cycle economically so i can speak better with about my county and i don't want to dominate it but what i can say with my county is through our efforts over the last five years we've  far as cookie frog a lot of the effort well eco gulch and that's an ongoing battle and to my knowledge it's it's been successful but it has to be maintained and with a little fire an and so they've delimited the population they've they've surveyed the surrounding areas a new term and where they're focused on that and so have developed a strategy for eradicating those populations with some appreciate it thank you thank you to your to any other questions miss by so thank you very much here and thank you dr for being here i just want to make sure i understand what i heard you said earlier date you had contributed over one hundred thousand dollars is that a state contribution a personal contribution i want to make sure we thank you if it's your money that's correct so i'm standing today representing c t r as an employee of seats are so i'm a state employee two hundred thousand dollars calculation are accurate and they pertain to direct a direct contributions through grants i've written as the principal investigator these are from federal and state sources of funding clearing the forest service and why invasive species council and then also as my as my say valerie as a state employee i count that as indirect and it's about fifty fifty my salary versus the amount of funds that i can generate through grants that i'm writing with the state and federal governments so you view that as a state contribution i sure do and federal ok thank you very much i do want to be sure thank you thank you very much any other questions mr cochran thank you chair and thank you for being here so the my cornea that was like the big you know big word back a few years back but now everyone's talking about the fire and everything else so how are you you folks backed off though on the my cornea eradication and control yeah that's a very good question in new one of the concerns that i have you know in my field in bias lead towards invasive weed management is that if efforts are shifted to little fire ants in kochi frog is that does that mean that we are going to divest in my county of control that is one that is a concern there has to be addressed and and spoken openly about if we if we cease and any efforts that on my county amendment which we've invested well over twenty years now then it will be a lost battle we are holding the line and we are currently trying to devise new strategies that helps us get a little better toehold on the situation but what we have on our side is we have very strong intelligence we know exactly what the situation is and we are smart enough to come up with with reasonable strategies like any other project over or resource limited so there's a lot of decision making in terms of best or best outcomes with the resources we have available and so but if it if if we are to address little firing at the and some of my coney dad will be in added expense in terms of lost opportunity an opportunity c right ok thank you thank you very much and i know it's a lot of work to be done with a lot less it looks like chair back in two thousand and fourteen four hundred seventy six thousand actual for the my cornea in particular and now the proposal is to sixty three so definitely a drop in resources money monetary lies that's new information in i'm concerned about that but we work with what we hear we're going to have discussion and disturbing testimony here that's all thank  much for being here and again look at the various sources of funding it's not just a one big win for the county from the county to it's not just someone  on anyone wishing to provide testimony me and there is no one here waiting to fight thank you very much anyone else in the chambers would like to present this to moni please make yourself known at this time seen no one coming forward with no objections  we close for today's meeting members of the actions i think you ordered let us move on to the continuing work of the committee i believe this morning we are going to have the review of the revolving consideration we have their written responses please take that into account when you're considering your thoughts on what you would like to have considered that you of the budget ordinance which is the bendix a part to special purpose revenue schedule of revolving special funds and we have departments here as well to discuss any individual items related to  that the first one is the is a is the housing in term financing by the act revolving fund i don't see the former housing the concerns here but this was established to  be able to have a pot of money so that in case the county needed to exercise its right to buy back any of the restricted affordable housing project there's a time restriction so if you know the county did a project or supported a project and there was a restriction for ten fifteen fifty years on that for sale the first right is the county to and the county was pretty successful working with property owners to be about some employee housing as it was called then and that some of the conditions of on the buyback provisions and forty's who could then thank you chair and i actually benefited from such a program in lyon on our street and currently so this was basically a i guess partnership with  castling cooked worked with the union to develop employee housing the county got evolve from the standpoint of helping to ensure that the values that it was used for the twenty four month period those kind of conditions the county's point with this is a county asked to have first option should the current owner choose to sell then he went back to the company and how it worked out was that we would need to talk to find another employer if let's say i gave up the house the company i work with a union and try and find a another employee to qualify it for that and they would ask the county please refuse your first option of purchase we have another qualified resident employer resident that qualifies and these are the housing so most times we never use monies from this fund because the county was willing to relinquish its first option because the intent was to get that land that employee resident back into the house it was all done with the interest now fit the as well as the union so we made it work and that's why he see the monies levy is still sitting in parts benoit additional revenues because in the county never intended to buy the lots back it was always to go to another qualified person ok thank you thank you for that historical background on this so with that being said this one point five here are is it just a nice to have just in case thing is it so you know first say you know i would like yes yes if it's being part of the considering of this year's budget if not after budget part of the list another more appropriate situation or if need be reauthorize it and make it current to the needs of what we have to city that's maintained our well that's that's good i think that's a good approach to this thank you  rooms right i was part of and then we revamped it in may we currently have the new current county housing policy but i was all part of the evolvement of the fund and the programs  eric from the what a division if case there's questions about this but basically this is a fund that the state pays us for maintenance of a pump station for the service is the airport facility for my recollection they plan on replacing some of the system up there eventually but for now we're still maintaining that and just a side note i never knew what nascar standard full stood for even though i point to raise here until alright yeah i mean sewage this so this is a state used facility but runs through our county sewer system and when the pump station was finally built and turned oh i guess we basically maintain and operate that pump station this revolving fun is really in the conscious intergovernmental agreement i guess basically any charges for re small repairs minor repairs or you could mean that we need to buy it between fifty dollars to five hundred dollars we purchase it and then they reimburse us so this is really just for minor repairs and and equipment that we need to purchase and then get reimbursed for throughout the year so those costs are pretty minor and there's a separate for the actual operation and maintenance fee that we charge  helps you know to get a little more clarity on what this is and how it's being utilized and for what so it's fine thank you thank you misplace any question it's a carol any questions or mr victorian or not no questions get reimbursed for the mitigation of fire hazards there's not you can tell get utilized very much and we've had discussions in prior years about reasoning and things like that but we're going to bring him up  about thirty lot still vacant field it still today and so many get overgrown very quickly and it takes a nominally to get somebody to get up there between you know and what happens in the meantime is the neighbors are worried that if there's a fire they're going to be impacted quite substantially so with that being said why aren't we using the fun and if we are are we getting reimbursed the full amount and i guess that's my two questions for you victorian and council we utilise the fun and the total cost of some of these areas maybe we can get to lots done annually so that's an issue so one of the things that we could do is up the fun to a substantial amount that we could utilize and actually have it revolve because a lot of times once we go into a property the lean is put against that property so we can get the payment back and sometimes that goes to litigation as well so it is a cumbersome process for us but it is there and right now speaking of area we had the people our inspectors go up three weeks ago so all the letters went all to all the residents of that area so but yes it is a cumbersome process and we don't have enough money to do more than two spend three thousand three hundred ninety four we get back three thousand nine hundred ninety four dollars we're not adding anything additional to dismiss that year that's what i read here currently you correct mr victory no chief is this if we were to up this one what would be an appropriate number that you could work with so that you can get the job done with the safety and well being of our communities is paramount well to start all to see how quick we could turn that around i would say one hundred thousand dollars ok thank you for that information ok thank you joe thank you very much all right is taxing on his staff also because it takes a lot of time they have to go out and get bids for each one takes a long time for us to collect because it is a lean so it's a litigation process to collect on that level and one of the biggest concerns he told me is in the most recent years foreclosed properties who's really the owner once it's in foreclosure and that type of thing just adds a whole nother you know  the seller the latest one i believe i don't think we've gone that far with one of these arm fire properties most people have been compliant we've been looking at it as real property maybe look at some changes in our ordinance because we still have a fair number of foreclosures out there and it makes it very difficult when somebody walks away from the property very seldom are they going to be up until somebody sells it and then the lien is taken care of a network so i look into that for sale and you have the owner is there are in this kind of situation is there a follow up with the fire department or is it with the building department usually on any fire hazard it comes back to our department so we try to maintain the inspections of those areas and see if we can continue to get dialogue with the owners or the new owners for that matter so it goes into a file and then they try to keep track of that specific issue question i have is if this were bumped up you know by one hundred thousand dollars upon hearing mr olcott his comments about the strain on the staff etc would you be able to do a lot more because we i mean we had it at the line a hearing one that apparently one of your firefighters goes by every day and that one's on a if he basis because we're not quite sure if do it right nobody can to em and if you can't get a hold of the owner and you've got that lien on the house and it's not going to happen until the house gets bought you've got to keep going back because the fun gets tied up and it sometimes tied up for many years so it causes an issue and that's why i think we would be able to manage it a little bit better as far as having more ability to reach out to more different more properties is right now if we tie up two properties were done for annually well my my my concern is if we you know if you know what we did we did would you call it rainbows and unicorns you got a hundred thousand added to th and you go out and start doing it then next year you're going to come back and say i need more bodies that would be my concern well we always ask for the bodies because there's a lot more that needs to be done you know as a whole i mean even if we're talking about commercial properties but just a brush abatement alone is a huge issue you know there's large land parcels that we try to stay involved with those people and invite them to the meetings we also help with the development of certain ground processes to take care of this so we're busy and we're constantly trying to find new ways to address this issue but i think with more funding it would allow us for the ones that are extremely hazardous so we could parties those as well and just get more on the books and i think it would help us so thank you ok thank you thank you it's good thank you chair and good morning thank you chief for being here so i was johnny all these questions  of being of that nature to catch fire and so on so i thought is there another like you said you have other grants and things that you search out for in order out at five thousand dollars and that hasn't been changed for over twenty years no ok yeah because of the actual ordinance i guess that was about the amount you know back in a day five thousand could do ten lots you know yeah but but times have changed and the urgency is also changed to address your question about the hazards saw structures and what have you the fire code takes care of that so we're able to go through that with our fire code and the building department and try to work those things all so that's not tied into this specific front here ok yeah and then your fire prevention bureau  people get suss out areas are they actually on the ground searching out places that may be higher priority than of their yes something like that because normally they'll be you'll see a complaint boost in a certain  residential area or commercial area and that's they'll try to concentrate on those as they come in but we're on our annual inspection for brush oh yeah all right well thank thank you very much through all that work and see how we can push it back up to administration and then we make the sign meant to fire prevention and once it goes to them it's all logs and their inspections are done in conducted pretty quickly because when they were to that requests for service went to the station and and so was the response really ok why don't you if that happens again have them call my office and we'll make sure that somebody gets on and we don't have an inspector assigned on a daily basis concerned about this kind of thing and it's disconcerting to him to meet you here today and you know essentially we can do it too and we know there are many more many more i'm sure i mean just drive around and you know you can see so i guess the fire department is doing the best they can we what they have i'm mostly concerned about the possibility of liability in a complete i mean if this is i mean and we don't follow up and something happens this would be later on for m and we can deal with this i think in the review that you're talking about but the other thing that i'm hopeful for is the environmental court and i'm wondering if there will ever be a time when you know a compelling case can be taken to review permit processing and inspection revolving fund this is a fund managed by the department of public works their development services administration we have director good here should you have any discussion review we did review this fund during the department's review partially but if you have further questions the expenditures are laid out in the budget details i get that page number two in a bit but the  a whole lot of burning questions here for you mr good only if we have questions ok and i'm just trying to quite a bit of money here and anticipated revenues is money received when you pay for your vehicle registration and you can see that generates quite a bit of revenue and has quite a bit of expenses in here provides for two individuals are moved into that separate program i think it is the matter of metals in a band a vehicle section of that program but it's not an individual program anymore and then provides eight hundred thirty five thousand dollars for their management if you have all the civic questions i do know that the amount provided for the medals and abandoned vehicles section did get reduced and i believe it's  related to the use of community work day or for some of their activities and a change a shift in funding for that not sure if it's a reduction in service but we did notice the reduction in dollar amount ok thank you for that iscar you know i think it's fair in fact that like to follow up just on the kind of question that mr boss just had in regards to the reduction of the medals amount and if that had been transmitted to community newey for to you know pick up that service in place of or i just was curious about fat but just in reference to the actual abandoned vehicle fund as far as i've been hearing on the sri it's when an abandoned vehicle happens on a public road pony i guess state to then we go get it there's no charge i mean we sort of get recoup this kind of i mean on the house but we get it via their we look up their ownership stuff and then try and put those those fees i'm sure to come in and pay those fees then then you know they can have their vehicle back if they do not the department of finance does provide auctions on a regular basis to auction off vehicles that have been abandoned and try to recoup the funds as well through that and so those fees that you could recoup are in here correct so i i think a lot about a vehicle because they don't want it and it's easy for them to get rid of it and so as far as i understand if someone abandons a vehicle on private property though then that's all up to the private person to take care of in its charge to vent it's all at their expense so we can call county and  help from us to help with some stranger dumping something on my property because you know you can't hold that same recoup the money yet mr  understand it's correct is that you know we're not we don't go on private property or to remove abandoned vehicles even though it may not be the owner of the properties vehicle or anything to do with that adventure to see a lot of abandoned vehicles and up on the side of the road that probably were on private property when they broke down but yeah i can't recall very firm that ok it's just kind of a lot from my understanding recently the law changed that if it's over a certain size of trash i think specifically agriculture but maybe other types of lands as well it becomes a felony that thank you thank you look into that thank you for the opportunity myspace questions this is a tough one and i i certainly think whatever we spend on this is good you know we had a long period where we didn't see abandoned vehicles because of the crackdown that we had but i'm beginning to see them again more and more on their club highway and all of a sudden they're cropping up again and they're staying longer and the said part is the minute  they are tagged in any way as not moving in the vandals come in and they start breaking windows didn't you have glass all over the place and is really really dangerous so i think this is something that you know we have to deal with and  nice if we could figure out who to send the bill to but i think these people are smart enough to take the vehicle i d s off mr bus he had generally i believe that the vin numbers are scratched off when it comes to that point but  we do try to collect that and unfortunately all of us vehicle owners pay into this that you know we can have clean roads and different things i know there's also certain restrictions to you know that we can't just go and toll a vehicle immediately would be really nice if we could that but you know we have to keep you know put the tag on and keep it on for a certain amount of period time before we can actually go in and put it might be a really good place for us to work on legislation is to  we know what the i think some legislation may be needed to look at so i think that's something we need to work on and the other question i had for you mr york is that if we set up  legislation you set up the state highways because again you know a lot of the bend in vehicles that mish i should just mention along highway yeah so if we my general response yeah i believe it is i believe it's all state law right now anyway anyway so i would hate to think if you were to make a different life it might be preempted by the state law anyway so you might want to follow up on the state level so even county items  county roads because again the private is separate right private is based upon your you doing your own thing we moving the vehicle right yes generally private property you deal with as a private land on earth for the county roads we can look into if you want to pass something just for county rolls but we'd have to check if the state law right now is designed to be one of those of statewide think so i believe that that's the process of the auction and we've recouped there's a minimum cost when we when we auction off the vehicles i think the minimum is like fifty dollars or something to recoup our costs that people have to bid on so cost of the tolling and and the amount we get from you know scrapping it probably cover some of the cost to the i was just going to ask you do we get any money from the metal folks  t have to check with department of finance if it's not auctioned what the disposal of that is and if there's any revenue generated ok yeah i know it was a really really bad deal  while back but it has it appears to be coming back again so hopefully we can get a handle on it and i mean because almost a million dollars to fix this project fix this issue is just hopefully we can figure out a way to sometimes we may need to let people know that we have we're going to go back after him again and recover all costs fund doesn't cover just vehicles but also cut it covers the contracts for metal recycling and different things like that so that's so it's not just a million dollars on it's not electronic anymore so that's why you see copies of an actual book but that that is the revolving loan program for business opportunities and from  our records it doesn't look like anything's been done with this fund for a very very long period of time some of the discussions when i had questioned prior economic development  coordinators about this when why it wasn't used was if you look on page one second page seven fifty eight item for each loan shall bear interest conforming to the department of agriculture's agricultural loan rates policies and practices and those rates are if you go on to their website they have available rates but why would they come just you know if there's a lot more money available at the state level in department of agriculture for these loans and we don't have anything set up necessarily in our system to to provide these types of loans i'm not sure you know it say what can we do with this and if there's something else we can do with this if if legislature will give us the ability to grant this money or some other purpose i think we would like to go to them for some kind of relief on this fund that ok i think we talked about this last fiscal year two and this is my second tour so on this the third time i heard about it so maybe i'll make a note to do some follow ups but just for your information well look i so it's be interesting to find out if this dollar is still exist somewhere and you know they do they do there in our books you know we do have the cash in our yes thank you for the questions on the look a fun revolving loan members it's pretty straightforward and we appreciate mr bus giving us the statute because it's pretty clear their intent and i is a fee that is charged for construction plan reviews from development services administration we have director good here these fees are as described in so that in case d s a needed to either hire contractors or pay overtime to get the backlog of permits done that they would have the ability to do that that's what these fees are basically about so these do assist in helping cover those costs of the department should be have a need and i believe they do on a regular basis try to keep up with permits and for those type expenditures  it's a coach christians thank you chair and the some out has this balance has been here around this range for a while or i mean does it actually cover the work that they do that one of those things your subject area and come up with recommendations for consider before the next budget cycle part of that is the measurements and all of you have been very good in looking at the narrative you brought up the comparison to the measurements the measurements we expect and you could help me because then next year the pieces of the zero based budgeting will be the actual as well fourteen fifteen and how then will approach  so that would be what i would asked all the other committee chairs so you would be in your area misplaced i would take care her water of funds and her water skid permit proposal process within her each and one of the sections here is that the county county shall adopt rules and carry out the program's purpose as well as forty thousand of the of the total amount i believe here it says two hundred two hundred eighty one thousand and forty thousand shall be used for the operations and hiring of a professional staff person and then yearly and december thirty first the county shall annually submit a written report to the governor and the legislature on the progress of the revolving loan program am wondering if you do have all that we've been doing that i don't know if you can spend forty thousand of this for a professional according to the act itself a professional consultant to diversify business and it doesn't have to as long as there is a nexus with agriculture this is this looks like it could be a business in itself that would help promote agriculture so i think this is a fund that report december thirty first to the governor on the progress of the revolving loan program for each year the revolving loan program is in operations so it hasn't been in any questions on construction plan mr chair and yes mr i was so i just looked up the transactions from the subdivision of the construction revolving fund and it looks like there hasn't been an we actual expenditure since two thousand so we might want to put that on the list of items to review purpose and different things like we are going to do a comprehensive review after budget a rental housing development fun so the rental housing development fund is up to three point three four my cunny code and this is rental housing revenue in excess of expenses for projects that have either contracted out or or have basically used to be managing a bit and now it's it's either contracted out so there's no no money expected in there you know many received and again mr chair one of the items that probably should be up for review of applicability in current status  from this fund as they were appropriated from the general fund many years ago so that would come back into the general could we place it in this fund that would be rental housing or i think that's a really important question because if it is that we participated the pool is a lot bigger for us to go and recover excess rent you know as a good point  we are you prepared to give us a comment at this time or would you need additional time to respond yeah i would need additional time to respond that alan thank you yeah thank you but great question thank you thank that they're doing what's required by law when it's far as dispensing liquor and that fund is managed by the department of bigger control as as it were you know discussing this of number of years and i can hear some of the members groan about it this is set by h or s what we have the ability to spend and i know member for many years advocated at the state legislature to get this just to cheer you i think everybody knows that this is a pot of money that i want to get my hands on i think a county should be receiving money to help not is educating the vendors but in educating the of the users are the people who buy the liquor so that we are not spending our social service dollars on this kind of you know we have to help us we have to help all these education programs to help people rehabilitate or learn how to drive safely or whatever after consuming alcohol and i think some of the money should be coming back for that i'm sorry i don't agree with this at all and i'm disappointed that we haven't made any progress but i'm not giving up  appropriate and yeah educating the vendors is one thing and we can always charge them more because they're the one that makes the profit off of that so i have no qualms in doing something in this area thank you to do you think  mr white and this is just one more in a long line of home rule issues and i i totally agree with best buy so on this because it is something that we spend a lot of general fund dollars to fix problems that in some cases we could have avoided all cases but i think we have a responsibility to provide a higher level of education to keep people from making choices that in the end really hurt them and we end up picking up the tab so i support miss bice's efforts and i would certainly support yours to move this in a different direction thank you christine no also with misplaces crusade to somehow utilize this money in better assistance for education as a liquor dispenser myself for thirty two years in the past i know the importance of you you know one of the and i'm not sure this is for the department but in speaking to the humane society they had mentioned that i'm not sure about the timeframe but i think it w s taking them over six months to access funds from this account to replace a vehicle that had been damaged and what can you share with us with respect to the process through the county funds that are purchasing a vehicle it has to go through the vehicle policy that the department of management manages and so they had to justify the need for that vehicle but they had to  provide information to department of management for them to verify that that vehicle you know needed to be replaced and that process along with the procurement and everything did take a significant amount of time you recall how many months is that is it six months or is a longer no i don't recall how many months because i don't know i don't see the purchasing side of things i was saw the processing of it and it took a couple months just to process it i'm sure ok but sure that's one of the things with you know with the way we do things around here is that sometimes puts not only we hear the hiring challenges we hear him and challenges and there's a there's a lot that we need to fix but i'm not sure how much of it is within our reach because if if we're leaving the humane society without one of their patrol vehicles who benefits nobody so when when there's a process that makes it impossible for us to get the equipment needed to do day to day responsibilities i don't think it serves anyone and costs us more money than that it saves i think i would say three thousand companies would agree with sharp and if you don't mind i would like the to refer to the finance committee after after budget is done and item asking for him to come and share ok mr chairman so this is the fire department again this is their fees to be charged to review plans that are sent to them so that for building and the different items so  cynics views preservation so thank you mr chairs council knows this fund is to be able to protect and preserve open space natural resources culture resources scenic use preservation recreation areas throughout our community the fund has been utilized heavily over the last few years for purchases acquisition we have some items in here mr chair that have been here for a number of years that you know funder for review but they remain on here because they're still active for some certain purposes if you and i can go through them individually no i'm going to i mean it's very specific yeah yeah especially that that service for or its maintenance also has to be it can be utilized for those acreage is bought out of this fund i'm thinking mr chair i know there is a specific prediction from using these standpoint the last i heard it was like i believe a year or two ago negotiations with the landowner kind i reached a standstill for a price that is my understanding i believe executive assistant coloe i was working on the project at the time thank you so what happens if everything becomes what happens to are there were there any monies appropriated no thank you tribe i believe there was money put land a don't know i'm not aware of that i can get that to you then this might be the there were eighty five acres of clouded title yes this might be the  purchase the solving of that issue i believe so i could have to confirm that but from my recollection it did have some to do with title issues ok you know i'd like to know a little bit more has proposed for us to purchase leaving open space prevent from development purchasing remember that whole lot not it doesn't look like the whole lot the whole lot is over one hundred acres so would that be that open zone thing that they're looking at i apologize i don't know too much ok all of that's why i didn't recognize this one right off the bat ok thank you th why i understand yeah definitely need more information but it's a perfect for transit horror door if ever we were to expand our not have to go through the whole real situation right now on another island just a general question though as in purpose and use of this fun the premise number seven improving disabled in public access is that in reference also to beach access is that b right thank you chair i would assume so i get all these things would be project specific and we'd have to look at it in detail but generally speaking if it's proven thank you mr bowers number two the cool community center is that three o seven a current number i don't recall that number being there before yes it is a current number  a appraisal on that and i'm in at i believe three hundred thousand and then the seven thousand which for closing costs ok i'm not sure i think they're waiting for this this budget to be approved and go for me an open space fun should be focusing on open space and preservation of space not buying a building and i realize that it's it's consistent with what you can read the definition to say that it is consistent but i think the spirit of the law is certainly not one that would support the purchase of the coolidge gym i totally support acquiring the the gym but i i feel strongly that it should be done through other means the response from core council also impacts number two the commit cool a community center that is not what they're recommending the fun use for so if those two projects are something that you know that you as a members feel to support then i would see find me another revenue source that another project a chance for monies from someplace else but do not look at  area set up by county charter we have section nine s fourteen the emergency fund this fund is been progressively rising over the years and we'd like to see the fund in i don't sixty million dollars range or so but at this point we have proposed five million dollars in there just in case we have any emergencies whether it be natural or otherwise it could boss you know i like this fund better than you depending on carry over savings for emergencies and you know this is a fund that once we've put the money in it stays in so it's not as subject thank you i appreciate the director's openness as well and i would just suggest that if he'd like to help us with providing us a list of where he's placed all the easter eggs we'd be more than happy to help him move some of those funds perhaps it's like you're renting a building sometimes they charge you percentage of your gross or what have you so we can have ongoing are the permits and maybe mr director can answer this kite surfing school snorkeling sorry kayaking kite surfing school were snorkeling surfing in windsurfing and they are designated to different areas throughout the county each parks there was a study done back in two thousand and nine and it was kind of allotting certain activities at certain beach areas and so currently those hundred eighteen per midis that are there to hold a core permit are paying that five hundred dollars fee your way we've also figured out as well there's a lot of permian holders that are in the process of in a sense not someone authorizing it but there are a handful of that hold permits in different areas that don't do anything there or also sub leasing which is also not part of the charter or the code they're sublease in that to say somebody who wants to be a vet who can get a permit so what the department is doing chair and  going into different counties you know other areas for instance for honolulu is just there on tuesday to the enterprise fine and that enterprise will consist of the golf course the zoo the shell he shell as well as  the vendors to start school vendors in waikiki beach and again kind of going into that whether it's a concession stand point where they pay a percentage or a one time monthly fee like how we did well golf course for the restaurants looking to different stages to generate more revenue to elise sustain some of the expenses thank you because i you know it's not a very large fund or if you have one hundred eight your this is a perfect place for your concept of the enterprise situation as well because that fund it allows for provision of salaries  and purchase of a quick man in maine is a county property which we're doing already through the general fund to help support some of the stuff so i'm all for revamping and i look forward to it in mr g man's committee revamping that whole process the core process because five hundred dollars a year is peanuts for i mean there's one company that was able to build a whole building and lease it out on his five hundred dollars a year permit so yeah i am looking forward to getting this thing revamped and this this could be the revenue generator for the department at least for paying for the park rangers because that's their job is to deal with that and some of the maintenance of the parking lots that these folks use and a lot of stuff that we now are an owner of a shop that you know does involve ocean recreational type sports i do know that three vendors on the beach earache in this kind of money ideally basis so just to pay for their annual fee for us and that to you know cut into people's profits but i think they can afford a little more for the benefits they reap largely so thank you for looking for it to forward more work on this to all that the others have said and i would also like to add that if we can capture more revenue other things like our risk rooms which is always a sore spot this all of beach restrooms could be taken care of at least a good portion of it could be because they're the ones have the direct benefit of it you know the parking lots like we would miss the culture i have tried to park a certain parks and these vendors have their trailers and everything parked in there and you don't have any parking for make sure that they maintain these supposed these specific entities in our parks from which they get a direct benefit off so i'll be off for reviewing this and i'm going to wholeheartedly thank you mean i think you're going to do a follow up question i know that this this fund was established to fight for the appropriations or at least the funding of the park ranger program and so how much of this i guess the revenue is actually being spent on the park ranger program i mean like for their equipment salary and so but again it's coming out of the general fund if i'm not mistaken but with the revamping we can do it which is the whole point of the enforcement that we could get to that point if we put up the revenue but this wouldn't this fund right here wouldn't even accommodate the  more but it is not currently coming out of this fund for payroll and vehicles so i need to ask or counsel because i i believe that this this fund in doing the research on it was  for the park ranger program and you just in the director just told me that no monies from this plant is going to the arts ranger program so there are do we have a conflict and  you chair i know there was i've heard that a lot and said that it was created for that reason but the codes pretty clear that it can be used for a bunch of things it doesn't say that we only can pay for the park rangers out of this fund we're not restrict ok and we're not required to so i don't think there's any conflict right now ok thank you thank you thank you so yeah after budget i think you know hundred times whatever is that the individual free or a fight and then they if we send them a billion and then they p s according to the executed agreement this small way to get rid of department and i think i mentioned you know the expenditures out of this fund over the last couple of years have been related to a vehicle purchase in two thousand and fourteen being it's for some of the planning design work that is being done by our septic ordinator coordination with the department of concerns and the third proviso is for the amount  the total amount required for the affordable housing project just to know this that the number there eleven million dollars includes the previous amount for the design as well so that's not that the construction is this as well as the record thank you for joining us have any comment you'd like to share this time with the committee just share with you committee that i think that this fund is doing what it's supposed to  do i'm very excited especially about the call mallo project because we're talking about fifty six units which is something that will make at least a little bit of an impact and this is rental units  and the fund has of course drawn a number of nonprofit projects that we were able to assist with saw i think it's a fund that is well worth keeping as far as a cool malo subdivision i think that's something you can be very proud of and we look forward for its completion and actual wendy keys will be turned piece of this is the one that we as a county are doing correct i thought they were going to be eighty five units there but it's down no i six it's there's been so many what happened at one time there was a number of fifty eight being talked about so you may have inverted that yeah but we never went to that high in number eighty five that's fine it's great this is perfect project for this and any i'm guessing that any expenses left over go into that other fund that we had questions about supposedly if there's any carry over savings the one that was on page thirty seven well yeah but yes the rental housing development revolving fun correct that  the plan for cool malo is that we will our if be out the management portion of it so yes any excess fees that is over and above operations will go into the rental development fund ok and i just like to report to you that the project has gone out to bid the construction conference has been held and we're expecting bits to be opened by the end of me thank you thank you for that status report stuff because what happens is you will collect the rent the management firm well before maintenance operations you know whatever needs to be done to maintain the property and any excess funds at the end of the year will go into the rental revolving fun ok hopefully we'll see some yeah but yeah great great project great i'm glad to see something coming through so no other question sure thank you ms bison great director reno how much home money is going in here i believe our home allocation council member is between two and two point seven million and we are putting into this project about two point six million so the total money the total cost of this is oh gosh i don't have that off the top of my head but i know that we're taking nine million out of the horrible housing fund for construction of the last two and a half million from home  construction so the excess money here that you probably figuring this out in your head was for the plan design architect fees and all of that not a problem i tell you what i'm thinking about and i've thought about this for a very long time and i just can't reconcile myself to drop it ok and the reason is if the federal contribution is two million plus and of total thing is going to cost us you know a lot more than that many millions what that federal money does is put restrictions on the projects that we cannot control who can benefit from the project and sometimes i wonder if that's a smart thing to do and i've wondered about that for a very long time if it wouldn't be smart to make this fit to something million dollars of federal money use this money and  and we can control how it can be utilized so i've thought about this for a really long time and it continues to bother me because i really want to see the benefit going to our local taxpayers the people who live one the home funds which we get only every third year is very difficult funds to find a project for so when you doing a project where you can use all of the two point five all of the monies we get from home into one project it's much easier than trying to break up the home funds into different smaller projects so just for you know using the funds keeping track of the funds reporting to hide it's much easier when you use it for one project versus a number of projects the other thing that is yes it is restrictive for twenty five years however they're restricting us to serve the people that are be law fifty percent of the median income which we're you know in this project the councils the council wanted us to serve the gap group which we are serving the gap group but by using those funds we're certain we're going to have eight units that will be assigned to people who are making less than fifty percent of the median income so i don't have a problem with that except that you're right we got a riff report to hide we're going to tell them that we are are using this money appropriately so there is some pain to it but i think it's worth the while i understand it's rebel what you're trying to do but like i said it continues to bother you because i know that what you want it would like to see and everyone would like to see is that the housing we develop going to our people who have been resident and being taxpayers our longest and we can't do that once we bring in the federal money thank you thank you but we had the same discussion with the key here police station i didn't want us the money for their one dollar to control their missile project so yeah it's good to have the benefits and disadvantages for joe federal dollars mr victory no any questions in this fund area no although i agreed missed by so to a point i also realized that monies sometimes become real difficult to get especially when you're talking affordable housing and when we can get partnerships  go by really really quick and at that point in time you know we we didn't have full control right just right we have total control we can see what goes on as far as that project is concerned correct ok so some of the prices we pay for the help we get the outside but i'm open to you to cite i would i wouldn't be totally opposed if we had the money to doing things on our own sometimes it makes it very difficult yeah thank you mr key thank you yeah well that's what we're doing with cool molly are the developer and we used affordable housing funds to purchase that property i think if we in the application process received an application strictly for real property from an outside entity say and a nonprofit organization we would probably like to see how they're going to fund how they're going to build how they're going to create the housing and show us you know ok we're working with who are working with us this is the funds we're getting from them for the actual construction of the building sometimes it is difficult to just why are there administrative expenses charge of this fund i don't see that provision in any of the other five k in our case for instance the coolum alu we are paying for the much water not that we're using water but yeah that's what we use it or we pay for it's a minimal water fee monthly fee and it's three meters so we pay for that and then there is like an association dues that we pay monthly that kind of stuff but when that be considered part of the cost of the project no we don't consider the construction funds or the development funds as part of the cost of the project not for now anyway once i think we get into the construction phase we will again it's a holding kind of a holding fund  seems to work out to about one hundred thousand dollars per unit and this is almost double that so it would be nice if we one of my concerns and we're putting a lot of eggs into one basket and while i think it's i think  what you're doing is great to be nice if we can get back to where that contributions closer to that hundred thousand dollar level so that we can use it to go and continue to do the additional projects  your leadership thank you you thank thank you thank you mr coach thank you mr chair i wanted to follow up on ms bases train of thought there the restrictions  for are they on the whole project or just the eight units that we are going to be they have just the eight units just so we can do other restrictions on the other correct then the question next question would be are there restrictions we can put on to kind of limit it to the folks who you know had been paying taxes here and had been here for a number of years or i know that gets into some sort of constitutional issues even without the hood restriction chair generally speaking because you haven't given me your specific restriction or quest i can't fully answer but yes it would probably run into some constitutionality questions it can be certain preferences i believe make there's case law supporting preferences but just straight up only for certain people with certain stuff you know you might run into a problem we'd have to look at the language and that typically would be a you know current taxpayer of something like that i think is what is was looking at and a lot of us want to say look the folks who've been here for a while and who have been contributing to this community or you know someone who's been a teacher for a while not moved here to become a teacher kind of thing i don't know just those two examples kind of thing yeah generally speaking if you just say reside here or be a resident or you know that type of thing those would be ok but if you want to go further into the x amount of years and been you know such and such you might run into like our freedom to travel type of prob if i may as we speak actually they're probably on lunch break there is a fair housing training going on right now at my community college and i believe the federal attorney will be speaking at one o'clock so if you're free you're welcome to attend it's in the science building room one forty four i believe go ask him problem so i believe there were like they wanted certain numbers in the eighty to one hundred percent category and certain numbers from the hundred to one hundred forty percent category so you're going to have a range of people living there from below fifty percent of the media and to a hundred and forty percent which this body felt was lacking that the gap grew the people who work and maybe make a little bit of money could not find affordable rentals ok kind of some discussion in that respect and thank you for your my memory the other part is we didn't from the beginning we were and the intent was to sell this a lot of affordable housing management firms that are new to hawaii which the guys who did we have a new group coming into and proposing a project in key hay so i would assume that these people would want to bid on it also ok ok richard that's the that's good so long as there is a  reliability also sometimes when new people come in with the chair we have been in that position where used on the roof you know things go wrong and we're stuck with with the project always stuck with the bill so again due diligence is something i'd be oh yes i want to just say a few more things and to follow up on what i brought up you know i may be understanding this wrong but i've heard it over and over and over that questions are asked why is it that we have an influx of people who are moving to we going into holiday and what i've been told is because constitutionally and under the federal guidelines because of federal money we cannot do anything about that and that's where i was coming from the other thing is we have a section eight listed i don't know how many people are on it but two thousand three thousand four thousand whatever and i personally would like to see us deal with some of that and the reason is it would allow the new people to come in and qualify you know we don't get any more voters i don't know if we do or we don't but i am aware of it and so if there was a way to take care of some of those people and in all our new people to benefit from mental spindle assistance that's where i'm coming from is not that i have anything against people who have come here it's just that you know if housing is such a crisis and so limited is it is i want to try to see how we can handle our seniors that are really looking for housing and are really important point and that's important because the folks that move here from other places are able to sell sell their properties on the mainland they've got the cash to come in here and and purchase or move into places that we've created it it's really not not allowing us to solve the problem that we're using taxpayers money to solve and i don't know how the heck we get around it but i'm sure that legal minds like mr b okas can can put it all together so we look forward to your dealership policies i've always said we need to tie in zoning and fixation and a more coordinated in the current situation because i would agree one never number of functions as well so this is their it also assists in meals for activities in that arena as well thank you direct any comments regarding this no comment sure i so so we are spending drawing from it it looks like it's getting bigger but i'm not sure what last year's amount was so i know what your expenditures so that's why you're seeing that total for this case two thousand and sixteen so high ok i just want to make sure we're not over charging our seniors for their activities yes thank you or or we're you know her family will appreciate the time she has for them the key any other questions for kerno members keep we have the economic development fund was set up with one million it's still one million  so there's no new monies going in the chair with a week to come up with some revolving requests for consideration there's also another fund that will be set up in the systems and that code section requires the establishment of an alarm system fine and i believe the budget director mentioned that the fund is still in the process of becoming created at which time it would be added to this list of special purpose seven but we do that through a different portion of the budget mr buzz any other comments on the hope thank you mr cheney at the post employment obligations fund from my understanding was established as a placeholder before we make zeroed out the fund my proposal was to have the amount go directly out of our fringe benefit program to pay for those costs so when you look at the kind of way costs you'll see a significant increase in the fringe benefits program and a zero in the transfer to the op ed fund the department of finance basically can do it either way if we transfer it from the general fund to the opeth fund and then make the payment from the fund it's just more transactions that they have to track in another fund that they have to keep track of so it's really up to this body's purview if you want it to have a transfer from the general fund to the fund or to the special fund and then from the special fund to the state as it was or make that payment directly thank you you chose position is to maintain a already transmitted the original thirteen million into payments to the state to get the interest as soon as possible the cronies up the half so i can report that to you that the director has taken our  advice in direction on how to take care of the payments very seriously and he has submitted those thirteen million dollars as of and the beginning of this week i believe yeah i miss it sherry the confirmation from the state came on monday that tuesday that they received the two payments thank you very much any questions on these funds to the emergency fund of the opiate fund for mr bars and we've done this is there any additional review assure that we are within the legal parameters of law thank you chair as i discussed with your earlier i don't see a problem with the members some meeting their budget proposals to staff for your consideration i just wanted it to be clear with all the members that no deliberations are to take place in this communication and also no solicitation for vote should be included anywhere in this communication that would include niceties or formalities i thank you for your consideration of this i know it seems rude but just submit it thank you ok are we clear any is there any questions was received ok nothing else i don't need any cover letters nothing to us your exhibit and your sins bill that saw this require any other questions