first matter in the seedings agenda the approval of the regular council meeting minutes of people left comments questions motion i know that the minutes be approved as submitted audience comments an opportunity for those members of the audience that are here to speak on and on agenda item and he will be in the audience here to address council not agenda i see anthony farms neighborhood as you're all well aware prior to living in the anthony farms we were ten plus years on tanglewood drive just across the street from braeburn so i think that i can kind of see this issue from both sides of the fence i'm here tonight to present my concerns about the mary road intersection i'm sure that you all thought that this issue had passed i know that it was a hot topic several years ago when the development was was going and unfortunately i'm back to bring it up again  given both residences i have a bit of knowledge about you know concerning the intersection in the flow of traffic and i've previously discussed my concerns with add m concerned residents of tanglewood and at that time we requested a dance and intersection along east mcmurry road we thought that east mcmurry road was already heavily deemed necessary and what we have now is is a concrete island none of those things happened tanglewood so requests weren't really addressed other than the fact that it's a restricted access intersection and the hope was that that would eliminate some of the concern by the tanglewood residents as a braeburn residen child who's still bordering on young and you know a reduction in through traffic would be ideal however now i am concerned about the public safety issues that the intersection presents first it is quite common for those wishing to turn left onto braeburn from east mcmurry road to disregard the signage alternatively and what drivers have started to do more often especially given the increased police presence is to turn on to tanglewood before then attempting to cross both lanes of traffic so to go straight across the road from tanglewood at first the vehicles would go up into the lower cul de sac of tanglewood and use that as a turn around recently however they're too lazy to do the event that they pull off to tanglewood and then head directly across to bray burn unfortunately if there's someone right behind that car wanting to turn on to tanglewood that creates an additional hazard often it's large construction trucks delivery vehicles doing this i've spoken to my tanglewood neighbors and nobody's really happy about the increased traffic on tanglewood next what i have seen especially when at the bus stop with my younger son who's in fifth grade  school pick up and drop off times the children gather in that center concrete island and play either while they're waiting for the second bus the second elementary bus waiting for their buses to  ttractive nuisance type situation as more school children move into the neighborhood i can only see that increasing the danger is increasing finally and this is this is my primary concern and i have seen this happen it happened twice this week so i think i think that the tendency for vehicles to do this is increasing i've witnessed vehicles entering bray burn from east make murray road via anymore it's too much of a hassle to make the illegal left turn it's quick and easy if no traffic is coming down the hill mcmurry it's an easy access to bra that's that's the first group of drivers who are doing this another group is a driver who's unaware with one where of the of the neighborhood of anthony farms and does this because they really don't know where they're going or how to access it seems like it's wide enough to get in there so i've noticed people doing it who are kind of looking down and lost and don't know where they're going and in addition since we are a new neighborhood we're not on a lot of the g p s systems i've had a number of construction or delivery vehicles saying i couldn't find you you're not on my g p s and there is no other entrance along east mcmurry so these people have not been there before don't know how to access it unfortunately the cars that are using this exit lane to enter are often traveling very fast and quite often they're trying to beat the cars coming down the hill so they cut in there very quickly not only does that present a problem for the vehicles traveling down the hill on braeburn but also for any kids that might be there it's happened twice that i have seen at school pick up time in the afternoon and we're not helped by the topography on that corner that's a retention pond on the corner and the hill side is quite severe and there is really no no good sight line there i run off the road once i have a brand new driver i don't know if her reaction time would be quite as good as my own i know that the police department has increased   at the school district is unable to route her buses the way she would like to results in students being on the buses she said the most is an additional forty minutes because of how she has to route the buses given the intersection and also as she indicated that the bus is have a difficult time making that turn coming out of a burn  it's really tight for the buses to make the turn given the concrete barrier so it's her opinion that she would like to see that barrier removed and for the intersection to go full  access my request for you is that you consider changing the braeburn make murray road intersection to full access i agree that no solution is going to be entirely safe especially when we're talking about but i do believe having given it a year or two to see the ins and outs i do believe that going back to full access intersection there would be in the best interests drinking and driving a lot we let them continue to drink and drive and a lot of forces no i mean this intersection was put this way because of safety concerns or the amount of traffic that we have on the road how many residents are in th absurd to me that we're going to we're going to change a dangerous situation because someone is it is inconvenient i have i haven't spoken to inconvenience at all in fact as i was discussing it with the chief this morning i told him that i would much rather if i'm coming center church i'd much rather go to make merry road down make merry road make a right into the plan i'm more than happy to drive the distance to get to where i need to go that is not my concern i'm concerned about the barrier in the center i'm concerned especially about the vehicles that are entering the wrong way it doesn't give them a chance to see cars coming down the hill and it certainly doesn't give me a chance to get out of the way when somebody is coming in their forty miles an hour point i don't think you ever want children in the center of a road they're much safer on the edges on the sides of the road that in the center of the school that would be one of my questions because when i read your email about it standing on the island shore i did ask the chairman of the school district buildings and grounds committee about that whether they come to the committee and he told me that it's never been discussed nor has the superintendent been asked about that so as far as rounding the buses i would agree with everyone here i'm not keen on the idea of having children standing in the island so maybe there's an alternative because if the island is eliminated picking them up on the edge of the peace mcmurry doesn't make a whole lot of more sense to me that when i was nine tangle when my kids were picked up on the breaks in the traffic with with the light installed at center church i have seen large breaks in the traffic which i wasn't seeing before it was more of a steady stream cell you know on correct and originally that's what i would have chosen as well but now we have the intersection and now we have dangerous things happening so the question now is just  if the kid shouldn't be on that island there's no question about that i don't know if there's another way or area that can be leveled off or in that but they should never be on that because you never know want to cars going to come through there and or can't believe anybody's calm through there to go anywhere else other than in that plane because through is not not there because that all the turns up there right angle turns army sharp right angles i've driven through that point so you're not going to make yeah o short of a recollection it may be self serving that these types intersections typically don't work very well it's for the exact reasons that we're observing here there is the one of the upper say clear that i risk everything else that goes along with that if i can see him i'm not in danger my concern is more for the vehicles to stop abruptly turning on detained or those that come in the exit and those are the ones that i have faced head on and it's only a matter of time before you and i agree with you it's and it's i mean if you drive by if  very limited sight distance and i agree with you some of the violators are residents more often than not their delivery people who don't know what they're if you look at the state which is fairly conservative if you look at the state traffic calming policy they used to recommend a ten mile over the speed limit i would disagree because i think you can't wholeheartedly do that i think it makes a difference where you are on a main road ten miles an hour might be ok but in some of the residents like say anthony farms like the plan i live in like some of the other plants around i think seven miles over is can be dangerous in some of the residences residential areas in this group that's right where one zero do you want to set or the discussion for revising her drabek company protocol yes we have one yes that recently we got a letter from the d a s office this whole thing started probably about a year year and a half ago that they start talking about a car team it's moving very slowly but they're falling off the dime  they're asking for communities to let them know where they're at least interested and moving forward and seeing if it's possible to put one of these card teams together and actually create a structure before they asked for a formal commitment that we would participate at this point the request is are you interested do you think this is worthwhile let's move forward and see where it's going to take is and when the time comes to make that decision well the policies procedures structure training everything available and you could make a final decision at that point whether you want to go ahead and participate or it's just to see to see how many communities are willing to step up and say yeah we're interested in doing this and the material i gave you from clearly states that you know we're always  yeah we're going to participate but in all seriousness i don't see how we don't know if a child missing if you don't find something substantial in the first two hours you have a nightmare all ok so it may end up being a moot point once everything comes back even on this first round there may not be enough interest to create is that ok i'm not aware that many that are occurring in the county and that's not the safety changes we all know but there is a value to some of these things as we've seen from the shape card team as well as the combined investigative team we took a prostitute right out up the street here with that other the criminal investigative team and it took us one day so it was a great resource to have and this would be a great resource too if you could become structured and was acceptable me that's why i asked i guess my question you also brought up the idea that we're involved right now in chicago and this thirteen and the investigative team what do you potentially see is  respond to that it's given our other commitments it's no different than those teams because if the individuals involved insert her out of town or unavailable they don't go so if we don't have anybody that's available or they're not in town this one might be one that you might want to ask for volunteers because this can get pretty ugly this is a difficult scenario child abductions and the resulting investigation can get pretty ugly and pretty damaging to people they can't handle it so it might be one you'd want to ask for volunteers on the the concern i have is this agreement seems to be war of a commitment than you're expressing the current status this is good but we're just trying to understand what the ramifications are going to be for the police force nationalize cost wise you know all the rest of it and the memorandum of understanding says it's a legal document so i either the other two the distinguished budget presentation award i think we should another find job i'm not hearing any interest in talking about this lady's i would note that we did get a dividend from m r allen just under twenty thousand for the workers comp i wondered whether or not the township was considering any kind of a sprain program particularly around the storm water retention ponds or some of the areas where we know water collects and we thought of anything like