world of magic in their careers and we just magician you to tell the kind of a lot they're all good why don't we start with how and when did you first become involved in the world of magic back kind of goes back a few years i saw my first magician i think i was about seven or eight years old he was on the guy at six flags and david garrity and he's performed he actually just celebrated his twenty fifth year performing magic at six flags and we saw him like a set about seven or eight years old and it was incredible yet as every every kid that age would agree it's incredible magic show and i think that kind of planted see i didn't go home and try to learn tricks right after that but that kind planted the seed for what later developed when i was in the third grade and i'm in the third grade i got a magic and it was a scholastic book order as a kind of elementary in watertown and knows through a scholastic book order that oh my god a monthly subscription to a magic kit company where they would send me a little kid little box kid once a month for about six months and i was thrilled and loved it it was incredible it was some really great tricks and that kid i loved it i was all in on magic for six months and i dropped i gone to something else and i mean that's what every kid does to and every kid has that phase where they get into magic fold head in they love it their life a couple months later it's baseball or something else ok and that's how i was and it stayed that way for a few years i forgot about magic entirely i moved on with my life until the sixth grade where halfway through the sixth grade after years of just very high anxiety in school and just a very bad situation in school my parents pulled me out of school to homeschool me they pulled me out about halfway through sixth grade it was february thirteenth and it was shortly after that that i rediscovered and in the old magic kits and i think it was kind of just the mental weight of school was lifted off my shoulders and i was able to just kind of take a deep breath and just so i would be going out to breakfast my grandfather after that he was at andrews diner much whole road yeah i remember that and i remember going there and i'd be shown the waitresses magic tricks my grandfather my mother there and that was you know i' area and we actually found one that was about a half mile away from our house in watertown and it's called reagan ways magic arts studio and i don't know if you're familiar with the spring street area watertown sort of sort of it's right by the high school yes right it's about maybe two or three blocks from the square it's this one story brick building it's got maybe four or five storefronts from a tween acupuncture shop a beauty salon and then has a store that with a frosted window on it and bars on it you'd never think anything was in there yet but we walked inside and i swear it was like walking into wonderland it was like walking to will wonka's chocolate shop because wall to wall there were magic tricks there were pictures of famous magicians that had been in the shop penn and teller david copperfield people like that mark wilson who's from a few years ago and it was incredible like literally wall to wall which is magic tricks and i started going in there more often and i got to know the man that owns is an older guy named regularly he introduced me to a club for young magicians called the society of young magicians i got involved with that shortly afterwards and i was a monthly club would go there and they'd be other kids my age between the ages of seven seventeen and we'd get together once a month and learn magic tricks teach each other magic tricks have a good time is that a strictly local group or is there so the society of young magicians is a part of a larger international and houdini he of course at the time was touring all around the country doing magic an illusion shows and when he'd go to city he would get all the local magicians together and he would set up an assembly of the society of america magicians well and actually boston the boston society of america magicians s a m is number nine and so he kind of set this up to be a national organization the new group international and then about thirty five years ago by the magic shop and after each meeting in the us why am i would go back to the magic shop and buy a new magic trick whatever the news trick of the meeting i saw because at the time that's really how i learned magic and  i think i was in there so much he finally offered me a job so i was twelve when i first walked in there and i was fourteen meister working there behind the counter just kind of on the weekend on saturdays working there demonstrating magic tricks the entire wall behind the counter which is full of magic tricks that i needed to learn and i need to demonstrate so that was probably the best education i ever had in magic was working there yes i mean there's so few brick and mortar shops left in the country and one of them is in this windowless brick building half a mile from my house that's wonderful it was incredible and i learned these magic tricks showing customers magic tricks and getting better and better at that i started getting to know regulate better and i'm in the back of this magic shop is this room where he would ray would hang out with a bunch of his friends and his friends are all people very ages usually above sixty years old but they've been involved in magic their entire lives and some of these people in their in their you know mid eighty's working the nightclub scene in boston doing magic tricks in the fifty's and stories that these guys tell i mean you could you could write entire book just of the stories and so it was really great education being behind the counter of the shop getting to learn or and like the cups and open up the shop as a retirement he had spent about forty years doing magic professionally in boston opened it up in one nine hundred seventy six as a retirement and it just grew from there was it was never meant to make a quick buck it was meant to be a really good quality magic shop that was first and foremost men to at least what i think is first and foremost meant to just kind of serve the magic community and it's really done that for forty one years sounds almost like a  wasn't really around back then he just had a few magic tricks that were worth a little money look nice from he was performing and so some friends of his told him that he shouldn't put them on a shelf in a shop just this kind of a display so he started this collection that he's been building for forty years and today it's called the mini museum of magic and in this brick building he owns the brick building and in a couple of the stores in the brick building all the rooms are full of magic collectibles well incredible piece of the magic pieces that were owned by houdini of pieces that were used by magicians you probably have heard of them fred capps howard little shop i was working at had piece from each of their acts and i'd walk in there and i'd be holding these pieces in my hands like i can't believe this and i got into history like that i got really into learning magic history i got into learning ok this is a trick that i like you know who invented it why did he or she invented was a reason behind it what were the the kind of early stages of the trick because it obviously didn't always look like the way i knew it there was some very rough draft of the trick this is a prop that i like who made the prop was it based on an older model was it from a book in the seventeenth hundreds and i just really got into that and working at the magic shop at the magic art studio it was like working at a library where there were so many books so many resources that i could just go in and learn about the history behind tricks and i got really into the history that way and i think the history kind of kind of shaped the way that i do magic now too because if you look ohm if you look at magic today you have people like eric john do people like sh incredible magicians very very talented magician and he him so much is so good and the type of magic that they do that is very informal they look very informal dress almost as in str clothes it almost looks like you can walk up to them in the street and they can show you these incredible miracles which is fantastic i think it's great for magic that magicians are starting to do that but everybody does that grown up in the magicians group and going to magic inventions and meeting more and more magicians everybody's kind of taking that lead the amateurs and professionals are taking that road to kind of a more casual style of magic that does that doesn't hinder on skill i'm not saying that that they're less skillful but just is the style of presenting them are a little bit more casual and as sorry guys i was just wondering if that is the difference between say classical magic presentation and current yeah so as they're all going this way and i'm seeing that everybody go and wonder at the end i met the magic shop i'm at the magic art studio and i'm reading books about magicians who are in the completely opposite direction they would dress up in a suit and tails and have very nice music playing in the background perform these illusions and they go to very nice social settings and i'm like wow this is really nice this is really cool this is different from what's happening today  the skill is the same but the style of presentation is different so i'm a business major in school i'm a marketing major you mass boston and in my class they talk about really making yourself different from the competition so maybe when i was about sixteen years old around there i started to perform more in style of the magicians that are that i was reading about thurston dante fred capps all these guys that i was reading about and watching old youtube videos on i would kind of gear myself more into their style as opposed to the style that scene today and so that's a style that's more classical it's kind of classical magic ok where can i see live magic in boston there's a long history of live magic in boston if you want to see magic today in boston yeah alma's far as i know the only two magic shows that are consistent all the time boston is a weekly show in harvard square called the mystery lounge happens everyone's in night at eight pm it said i don't know if you're familiar with harvard square but the hong kong restaurant you're familiar with that yeah i know you know  y yes well the third floor of that is a and i club and one so now it's the local magicians in the area get together and put on a magic show and you know it's kind of like the magic shop it's kind of like it's the third floor of a chinese restaurant in harvard square you would never suspect anything is going to go on up there but these guys in boston are some of the best magicians out there working today and they get together once in ice and put on a magic show and it is and i almost kind of feel bad for the people watching the show in a way that they don't know like they don't know how well respected these guys are among magicians and they're sitting here watching you know three or four guys wednesday nights put on this incredible show it's really spectacular and then that's wednesday nights and then once a month there's another show that goes on the hampshire house in boston called forehanded illusions which is very very fine show it's a very you have to dress up for it's a really nice show and those are i think the only two magic shows that happen on a regular basis in boston on there's a lot of magicians to come through here michael carvin r o the amazing jonathan actually the longest running residential magic show in history and they have they have a guinness record for this was a show called le grand david i know if you've ever heard of that was up in beverly at the cabot theater that ran they closed up about i think two thousand and twelve but after they were they were running for thirty six years at the cabin in beverly and uses this guy name sorry who was i think he was a professor psychology worked he was very close friends with mass flow and he started and he got a couple guys together they bought this theater the cabot theater and evilly and a stereo producing a magic show there that that heard about him before yeah he was he was very big and ceasar was highly influenced by him and fu manchu would put on the spectacular magic show with just backdrops and giant illusions and boxes in like thirty different costume changes as an exaggeration but a lot of costume changes and what a character's going around stage and that type of magic show it's very hard to produce very expensive you can't do that and somebody's house you can't do have in a convention ball room i mean that's something you really have to have your own theater ok and you have to stay there and you have to work on the show and that's exactly what the sario did ok and he built up this entire show up in beverly and that show ran for thirty six years and it's known all over the world among magicians and it was i i think is really kind of the last of its kind almost because shows like that were already going out of style just because it's so hard to produce now how about belmont right here right now can we see a live magic show right here i think so i think o becomes harder to tell if there's one bill there are two yeah who knows the more i fold the harder it is to tell how many bills are right there until we get to about six te well we're running short on time we want to get in a few more if examples are right how much how much time do we have left we have live five minutes i think we have time for a couple more a couple nice tricks nice tric with the bridge yeah for show is another kind of shuffle though two it's a little bit different it's called the slop shuffle this is a shuffle that you don't really you can tell you so you don't really see the shuffle happen to live in like a senos in card games basically because it mixes up the entire order of the cards it makes i mean it shuffles them up which is of their point of it but it creates this entire mess of cards are here we have some cards that are going one way gone the other way all different ways and basically  well but we have cards here that are face to face back to man every which way and it creates a really big mess but as a magician i realize that jam of police cars right here want to snap your fingers over the what i want you to do jan is i'm going to give you a about half of the cards roughly half the cards you shuffle up if you want you don't have to doesn't really matter they just don't look at the current gen don't let that influence your opinion at all what i want you to steal the cards face down into through the entire half the pack in our entire you can deal and don't want to time you can just put them down in piles to two or three at a time whatever you feel most like ok if you need them to stretch out like no that's ok we actually kind of condense it a little you twice to get better odds of getting most of them right shove them up if you want you don't have to doesn't matter and you still know the same wage and face up i mean a face down to other black power or the red pile you've done this before how did i do that just to make sure that we are all good to go gentleman asked to pick another card if you don't mind reach inside take one aren't check out that car didn't show the camera i won't look and just commit that car to memory jam and turn back around right now make sure i don't see the card ok and you know what place that car back whatever you like in the spread right there excellent yet now i mentioned you earlier that i was homeschooled yes my parents homeschooled me it was mostly my mother doing most of the teaching it was very very nice and much better in school i think it really opened up a lot of doors for me being home school yes probably the one the best things that ever happened to me way way better than magic yeah but being home schooled it actually means two things you know that you know that you things are one i had a lot more free time on my hands and i had friends yes and the second thing is i was able to use that free time to kind of get to know a deck of cards to really familiarize myself with it and really control cards in the deck like the jack of diamonds probably not your card you know that would be really cool th that you know how i did that jazz actually you've heard that the hand is quicker than the eye if you've heard that expression before yes we're going to try it again gentlemen do very slowly lose time watch the ace go into the deck watch the  to where i want to deck watch your car go there it is ok oh thank you so much for being words that was so much fun thank you i had a really great time good and 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