please come back to order cook let's proceed with the remainder of the mystic air proceeding with unfinished business you had before you bill number forty three twenty sixteen a bill for new ordinance it comprehensive zoning ordinance relating to short term rental homes and mr chair as a reminder there is a pending motion on the floor to pass bill forty three on second and final reading thank the motion to pass bill forty three two thousand and sixteen on second and final really was postponed at the council meeting as of may sixth two thousand and sixteen and remains pending amendments made to the bill forty three at that meeting have been incorporated into the bill posted on today's agenda now referenced as bill forty three twenty sixteenth draft one thank you sickly please call up go to communication sixteen ninety five county communication sixteen ninety five from council member carol transmitting to counsel a proposed amendment to bill exception for properties that had short term rental home permit within three years for the deed of purchase this will take into account properties that are already been did it is appropriate for short term or it will use oil plain for an opinion a permit won't permit is submitted before the end of the calendar year the second exemption provides a reasonable period of time for owners to submit or complete up occasions before the five year property ownership restriction goes into  december thirty first twenty sixty as a cutoff date was chosen for the reason and of course bond with the new bridge period established by bill forty three the justification for human it is to curb speculation in  the ordinance prevent somebody from building a new home within the attention of operate in short term rental home right away homes must be of use five years old at the time of the up locution for short term rental home permit you unintended consequence of the ordinance has been to encourage investors to purchase older homes and into immediately apply for a permit often use older homes are more affordable to a long term residents and visitors buy an existing properties rented beat them to standards a tourist prefer and then rent them over the short term business required applicants to own a home testimony on both sides but she just has a policy that the culture the council needs to make if we continue on the way we or we are going to encourage convert it immediately i think it's only off this bill is only the only thing that i can see that we could go real handle or have had some the future thank you mr carroll mr couch thank you mr chair and i understand mr carroll's concern for bringing up their reasons for bringing up this amendment  just wanted to say that three years ago when we put in the five year construction thing and we discussed other issues at the at that time this wasn't brought up we've had eleven meetings on this bill in the last year and a half this hasn't been brought up to have a p brought up at the second and final reading with minimal discussion on the floor this subject needs to be be discussed more than at this council level  as you heard some testimony this this has nothing to do with the illegals there are illegals out there we need to get the department to enforce harder on the illegals they've been doing a good job so far but they need to step it up again whether this bill this amendment passes or not it's not going to affect the illegals the department has to deal with the enforcement on that right now in honna district there are nine permits left so this bill if if mr carroll has a an issue in hanukkah there's only nine permits left for ana so at the most this would affect nine homes as you heard by a testifier in honor of the twelve homes he sold last in the last i forgot how long he said it was only one which was a high end one went to short terminals everybody else is either long term or not nobody is living it full time and you also heard that about the short term mental homes take up about five point five percent of the houses that are built here on maui point five percent one in one hundred ninety five homes and another test hit it right on the head of the issue with affordable housing and affordable homes is we don't have enough houses right now we need to get those houses built so i can't support this amendment unless we have extensive discussion in  is under the impression that our search and tolls are you know there is a way we have housing prices i don't believe that i think it may be a little factor but i think the biggest problem we have is that we don't have an inventory and that's where i'd like to put my efforts in trying to figure out how to get houses built and i'm really excited because it seems like this consolation i really like to get homes built and i think that's the best solution we can come up with but if this continues to be a concern and there is a feeling that you know there is some merit to it i have no problem with this becoming committee i don't leader on but i really would not like to derail the movement of this bill today i think we've worked hard and long on looking at the ramifications again i don't think my house sells being sold specifically for t v ours and then we did also put limitations on the number of t v hours each community could have both short term rentals  did not want to see short term or mean peace being utilized whereas in other areas ga and other areas where it's more prevalent higher numbers were allowed but it was four hundred to max i think areas if i recall correctly if i stand corrected if i'm mr this it's up to the chair in this council whether or not to refer back to committee as far as the significance of this our rule nineteen c allows for us to pass this bill if we make the amendment today we can pass it today because that amendment was posted that's correct thank you ok ok we're very good and you know and i understand as we all know this subject matter and how i feel about it but i was browsing through this unite here local five study that they did have done i'm not sure if anyone else had a chance to glance over it and but they make some good points in regards to what short term rentals do in effect affordable housing and you know i feel that they're very valid points and basically saying that it puts a squeeze on just supply and demand so the more of these flippin to some type  rental short term use the existing you know they now there's a bigger demand said bacon raise the prices that much higher and what have you so you know i understand there's a lot of illegals out fair and we're really harping on department to get a grip on that but in the meantime i think mr carroll's amendment is trying to at least put some kind of pressure in that leaking date fit needs to happen so i'm going to support amendment because i think there's a there's a concern that we're we're not allowing as much affordable housing to be available for rentals as we as we should be at the same time  the chairs concerned last week was to get a response from the department that could provide an understanding of the true impacts and if we don't have all the information that they  have the fact that we have not gotten any information forwarded to us thanks be a little uncomfortable moving ahead with us even though i agree and concept but i'd just like to be a little more cautious cherub be comfortable if mr couch would take it up and in committee but i'm having a tough time supporting it right now because i'd i'd like to know what the impacts are what the what some of the additional facts are and the numbers that mr victory no read off i think give me was to point just to this issue as the and discuss this as a separate amendment and that's what i thought we we left the last meeting with and then we got this anyway so but i'd be happy to bring it right if i the whole picture again i agree with what you're seeing as far as the area of perception a lot of people out there but leave just to be the major root of the problem but it is not any need to see the whole picture and i think discussion in that area would make it very make it more aware prone to the public at large so thank you secure thank you any further discussion  but we still have a motion on the floor for the bill that we've been working on for eleven meetings a year and a half it's a good bill which greatly improves upon the short term permitting process still not as good as we'd like it because we still got to deal with more enforcement issues and if there are some issues on getting the permit quickly as opposed to going through yet another process i'm proud of the hard work that your whole couch mr goodman thank you chair i'd like to refer the members to my proposed amendment summary form distributed at today's meeting other reason for the amendment is to promote the use of the bio diesel as an environmentally conscious fuel alternative by reducing the bio diesel tax rate per gallon to zero this will help consumers to save money at the pomp and provide an incentive to favor biodiesel the budget director indicated that  reduction in the s made it revenue resulting from the proposed amendment is approximately forty eight thousand five hundred if the proposed amendment passes to offset the decrease in revenues i will make a motion to amend the budget in the budget bill to number one decrease estimated revenues by forty eight thousand five hundred for fuel and franchise taxes and number two decrease department of public works road rage and drainage maintenance program highway fund promote this type of alternative use of energy we do have this is almost analogous to the electric vehicles wherein we don't have a tax on them and i'd rather see that once we have something in place for electric vehicles we then place some type of accommodated or at least equal amount of it's just taxes on the  well but so do electric vehicles and hybrid vehicles and plug in hybrids like a vehicle which i have so we do need a way and i'm hoping that in the i believe there is an item referred from this budget to the proper committee that we discuss this and come up with a way to be able to come up with a fair use tax now that we have more than just gasoline in fossil fuels a fair use tax for the roads because that's what pays for roads you know i don't feel good about taking out forty thousand five hundred from the reap road repair but mr goodman said with the determination of whether to buy or not by counsel has learned from past experience every time we've reduced fuel tax a price at the palms were never adjusted accordingly so the consumer had no me on my head three times to know that if we pass this we're not going to see a difference at the rates at the poems and less revenue for us to do what we need to do in investment in infrastructure thank you for the discussion members missed by so yes thank you very much chair chair i'm going to be supporting the motion i think that it's very important that we then our support and it may it to go a real good look at an alternative so that we make some kind of a fair assessment and we can do that in another in another venue thank you for the inst only seventeen acres is needed in order to supply the entire county needs for diesel and so you know the cns is closure and all this ag lands hopefully opening up for a different kind of use such as this i think this is a purpose for us to show where our support lies and so i'm in support of this but hopefully i mean it but i hear mr obama's point too and infrastructure we need and we need to find funds in order to support that so hopefully this isn't you know maybe if we end up putting a little more tax on it at one time then you know there's not going to be such a big outcry but to be fair across the board in all types of fuels but this and in particular i think we can really set off a could get off on a good foot in becoming sustainable and not have to ship in to rely on the outside so my support this motion here today thank  chairs a little concerned with this because as much as we want to support alternative energy these vehicles to use our roads like electric vehicle and had significant discussion the us put in a fee on electric vehicles so they're paying the equivalent of these i believe if i remember in the discussion correctly it was to provide an equivalency between electrical vehicles and the gas tax not bio diesel so i kind of feel like we're talking about a two sides of our mouth here vehicles i have a i also have a concern similar to mr commas where if we pass this it's unlikely that it's going to get passed on to the consumer we didn't hear anything that would indicate that prices would be reduced by by nine cents if we go from the current nine down to zero so i have a i have a difficult time with  that justification even though we all are very much in support of providing support for alternative energy if we're going to do it we need to do it in a consistent way and i don't think we have that consistency right  until we have a level of consistency i'm terribly comfortable supporting an action today of the of this degree where we don't really know how we're going to manage the others especially i'm sure i just have a suggestion you know we're asking for a total removal of the cost i'm wondering if the maker of the motion would be interested in maybe lowering that to a part of it our pollutions and what have you a but i have to agree that you know this has come before committee first of all and we should have put it this all at that time but more s meetings and watching commentary talk but it's my understanding that the last time that pacific bio diesel had a break they did lowered their prices immediately and they did say that they would do it again if  the planning committee meeting may twentieth nineteen third two thousand and sixteen please come to our members we have a one thirty start for a planning committee meeting we will now recess until the end of this meeting at the call to the call of the committee chair committee report sixteen dash eighty four recommending the following that the bill entitle the bill for an ordinance authorizing the mayor of the county of mali to enter into an intergovernmental agreement for a loan for loans from the state of hawaii water title the bill for an ordinance amending section eighteen point two four point one zero molly county called to eliminate the construction plan review revolving funds the past and first reading and be awarded to print for that the bill entitled a for an ordinance amending chapter three point three five molly county cold relating to the affordable housing fine be passed the first meeting and be awarded to print five that the billing titled a bill for an ordinance to repeal chapter fourteen point two nine mahli county code relating to pumping of cesspools and septic tanks be passed the first reading and be ordered to print six that the bill entitled a bill for an ordinance relating to highly beautification and disposal of abandoned vehicles revolving the economic development revolving fine be passed in first reading and be awarded to print eight that the building titled a bill for an ordinance repealing chapter three point nine seven molly conti cold relating to the post employment obligations f taking care of required adjustments to the code through the budget process thank you mr okama members any further discussion on these items particular please call up the bill twelve of the debt to bill entitled a bill for annoyance authorizing the issuance of twenty nine million seven hundred fifty three thousand dollars in aggregate principal amount of general obligation bonds of the county a molly for the purpose of providing funds to pay all or part of the costs of appropriations for public improvements of and for the county of mali fixing  form the nominations and certain other features of such bonds and providing for the sale authorizing the director of finance to determine certain details of the bond authorizing the issuance and sale like principal amount of general obligation position this is not a decision a cultural bit lately there was much discussion before the budget finance committee on the matter including question fulls concerning the approved value of the property although my amendment would not impact the budget and finance committee's bill its budget meskin for the two million two hundred seventy three thousand in general obligation bonds because are insufficient funds remaining in the open space form for this purpose the assessment of value for the land even today so if you was overpriced overvalued for what potential uses and planned uses for this site would have been or is currently being proposed for it much i would see from one perspective if for me there bandages we can save the taxpayers to point something million dollars they said into another priority area of need the property was to be maintained in open space as thing tended use under the county's purpose for purchasing so is still the chief the general goal of a good deal this move this afternoon i think the council has another opportunity to make every view and i would say for me i still don't think it's a good deal so for me it's not something that of all the votes that i've taken here in these chambers this is the vote the loughner poco vote is the vote i regret the most and i regret it the most because i feel that we were put under intense pressure to move on a deal that was significantly overpriced the administration wasn't truthful with us that there had been a earlier appraisal prior to the thirteen million appraisal they brought to us and that earlier appraisal was for eight point five million dollars and i came in i believe and what a number of months prior to the thirteen million dollar prais and that eight point five million dollars raise it was not disclosed to us until well into the discussions and i believe we had not a couple of meetings we had months of discussion on this and we had months of discussion because the chair of the committee which was me at the time was very concerned that we were you're being given a a bit of a bum's rush we had to do this by the thirty first of december or the deal was going to go away i didn't believe it then and i don't believe it now we also have it on the record that the seller requested administration to change the method of the appraisal we have it on the record that the administration took those instructions and went to the appraiser and gave him a new  new way in which he needed to can the appraisal and i'm not i'm not going to say this in order to change the the amount but that was certainly the  effect in the end we had three questionable appraisals and we finally just before the december thirty first deadline  received a appraisal of six point seven million dollars this appraisal was done by the same firm that had been hired by the developers to appraise the property about i believe about five years earlier and at the time i felt that the value of the property was six point seven million but we got the the rush to make a decision without further consideration and that's why i feel  is the vote that i'm most regret of the time i spent in this chambers last week i received a campaign contribution from the developer is that to push this vote one way or the other i don't know but there are two things that i won't do one is i won't deposit that check and the second is i won't vote in favor of this amendment because i agree with mr holcombe that we have put the money in the budget we just haven't authorized the bond on it that allows the administration have further discussions with the developer and see if there is some way that they can look their way clear to keep in the land and allowing us to move on to other priorities so that i'm i'm simply not able to support this motion as much as i appreciate mr carrol cuccia i would just point out that this is a you know the purpose of the louder poco purchase was to provide the the view planes from the new highway alignment the portion of the property that we're talking about is the thin strip of land that extends for a mile and a mile and a quarter and it's thirty seven acres so it's a very thin strip between what is the county and state right of where the county is the state right of way and the bottom boundary of the twelve agricultural lots of the highway so it's a very thin thing the only open space and view that we protecting is that from those eight agricultural lines it's not from the road to the members it further discussion mistreatment and thank you very much share and i completely agree with your comments and also mr camas comments we are i think are still being misled just going through the current timothy ranches testimony that they've submitted they're still calling this trees are it's a gold is the rocks it's totally unusable anyways so it's going to be open space for them and like you just stated create a nice view plain for those lots so this is way overpriced as you stated too and i don't think this is wise use of our money whatsoever this is been my sentiment all along because i know exactly the land i mr goodfellow took me there to look at it and so you know i just went to go see and i said i drive by it every day to got that check you know but i am not in support of this so i clearly stated that we agree to disagree and that's the way things go but i don't appreciate in a way this they know what the value is of this they know exactly what their intent is but to squeeze every single penny out of this county or taxpayers to me is wrong and i am not going to be  but i'm also trying to understand how do we keep our side of the bargain and i think i haven't heard an explanation as to why it was a lapse i think that's what i need to not authorizing the body it does gives us options and clearly we're not in any legal default so i was placed in the budget so we're all stymied still there so it's not a definite breach or anything like that so i believe that by doing it this way we still have that option to at least hear what the administration and you know the reasons why it was lapse and then move forward from there but at this stage i cannot if we wanted to add the six hundred fifty k to the c i p for vineyard street for under the bond fund we also need to change that here is that correct i believe improvements but at this point there were enough confusion during the regular committee meeting about what they really wanted to do that i guess we're going to come back they're going to come back with a budget amendment when they excess of the amounts required for the purposes for which such bonds are initially issued or may or should not be applied to those purposes and directing such proceeds to other public improvements or authorized purposes of the county of maui be passed on first reading of the order to print mr holcom recommendation fourteen that the bill entitled a bill for an ordinance relating to the capital program for the fiscal year ending june thirtieth two thousand and seventeen be passed on first reading in the order to print mr holcombe chairman thank you move to the recommendation fourteen through is critical to improve the conditions over main infrastructures as well as needed projects for the advancement of colored operations members any from the discussion recommendation fifteen that the bill entitled a bill for an ordinance relating to the operating budget for the county of maui for the fiscal year july first two thousand and sixteen to june thirtieth two thousand and seventeen be passed on first reading in the order to print mr ho share i moved to decrease the estimated revenues of fuel and franchise taxes by forty eight thousand five hundred i can't even talk now sorry i had to decrease the the council's action on the fuel tax resolution requires an adjustment to estimate revenues and expenditures to offset the forty eight thousand five hundred reduction of decimated revenues for the fuel in franchise tax i propose that a department public works road a bridge and drainage maintenance program highway fine category b be reduced by forty eight thousand five hundred to produce a balanced budget while the reduction in this area will mount to a minimal reduction in maintenance of our roads bridges and drainage maintenance program promoting the use of bio diesel is the right thing to do for our environment the corresponding adjustment to the bio diesel fuel tax rate on page forty three of appendix b of the proposed f y two thousand and seventeen budget while also be reflected i asked the council's full support of my proposed amendment thank you chair thank you mr grossman members any further discussion from the motion thereby removing the four hundred forty two thousand dollar appropriation for the section nine dash twenty of the revised charter of the county of mao week one thousand nine hundred three as amended authorizes the fordable housing fund to be used for the for the clothes vision protection an expansion of housing and suitable living environments for persons a very low gap income as defined by ordinance including the rehabilitation of existing structures land purchase or their acquisition of land or affordable housing or suitable living environments for qualified income groups and therefore does not further the stated purpose of the fund even if an interpretation of the charter could be stretched to include photovoltaics systems as a policy matter the council should limit the use of the fund to projects that will improve basic housing opportunities and not dilute its core function of including non essential and i also went to the count code three point three five point zero eight zero d and this states if housing is not the immediate or direct outcome of an appropriation from the fun such as lead acquisition or infrastructure improvements then they must provide an explanation on how the appropriation will result in housing and there's thirty three union housing project in qana pollie will continue as planned with or without solar panels therefore affordable housing will not be a result of the phony appropriation making this an inappropriate use of the fund and i just truly believe the developer could consider other sources the funding although and everyone you know i am a strong proponent of renewable energy i live off strictly solar myself installation of solar panels on homes i do not support using funds earmarked for the development affordable housing to pay for electricity instead of shelter so i would rather see the creation of an affordable utility fund of some kind where in the county could offer utilities subsidies for income qualified applicants this affordable housing fund is specifically for affordable housing not affordable utilities so let's a building get people in affordable homes first it was that i do have a memo from mr powell won which clearly states that this project is going to move forward regardless they have to uphold the workforce housing ordinance and so with or without p v so this is another point and reason why believe it's inappropriate there's no need to begin to this affordable housing fun and i hate to drive down and set precedents with this for things of surface you know care i'd like to make some comments in regards to this amendment and as to why i cannot support it at this time because time and time again and concertina as we talk about the need for housing and however upon the recommendation of our budget chair what we provided it was that four hundred forty two thousand shall be for this project but to include a one to one match we did it this think coordinating our efforts between an affordable housing development to showcase this project as a way to cut down cut carbon pollution and reduce energy demand our energy path of supporting this p v project affordable housing in my opinion provides our talks of environmental thinking we are also providing a means to sustain the home owner the home owner to receive a savings to one energy costs and then be applicable to meet the home owner's needs whatever savings towards mortgage insurance or what we all know all comes with owning a home well then i understand what my colleague is say and if the intent of my colleague is to fulfill or support of the affordable housing fund without allowing the funds for any such project because this is a one hundred percent affordable housing project maybe we need to consider and i'm hoping that my colleague was supportive maybe the introduction is to help how it was clarified in here because how you define construction or a suitable living environment for persons who we intend to have these projects for but maybe then we if that cannot meet the council's approval for the p v and still  ship maybe then we can go and add it to the construction of the cost it's how you're going to look at it and weigh it in today's times we know that it's the efforts of most home owners to try and expand on the p b s or whatever it we'd like to call it for renewable energy to cut costs as well as home owners so i appreciate dysphoric but at this time i cannot afford it be support it because i certainly certainly want to see affordable homes built and this is thirty three units and it's one hundred percent both ways let me just say you know i can support that the affordable housing fine can use photovoltaic because solar housing a solar water heating is required by statute so that has to go on that the affordable house without air conditioning when we give money to from the affordable housing for and they put air conditioning in the home does that i mean should we not allow that my concern with this proviso that we have in the budget and therefore the reason i said port miss cochran and this one is once these houses get sold to the family and yes we want to keep the bills down but once they sell that house after the six year or the ten year buyback this required it is no longer affordable you heard me say this over and over again in here unless it's affordable in perpetuity it's really not affordable so now they have this amenity that they can sell the house with to the next person who it will not it'll still give them a break but it doesn't fit with the in my interpretation of what the affordable housing find is for the amendment and one of the reasons is i think everybody heard my ranting the other day about the cost of affordable housing and you know it's very very difficult for people who get into affordable housing to be in affordable housing and the reason that is is because if they were financially ok they wouldn't be looking for affordable housing in their people they're having a real terrible time just keeping a roof over their heads and paying the bills and keeping people in school and doing everything that everybody's trying to do so any kind of reduction in their monthly expenses i think is very beneficial and i think it might help them be able to pay the  monthly payments you know it's really sad but i think all of us don't have to look very far to try and find people that we know relatives friends and friends of friends who have lost their homes because they bought a home thinking that they could pay for it and stuff happens and then they lose it and i really would like to see them having advantage of the p v you know we've used to have a two hundred dollar more or less monthly electric bill and we have very very frugal people i was raised by a mother who said don't leave the refrigerator open and turn off the light the room is not afraid and you know all that kind of stuff so i grew up very very full go but our bill had reached that point with everything you know our house being all  and so i would like to support this because of where it's going it's going into an affordable home and i see kind of a nice partnership between him being the p d and having the affordable i think it'll make them more successful in keeping that home and a wish we had more affordable housing money i think there's no real no pat answer to any of this but i am real comfortable in seeing this happen and i'd like to see you know how it works out thank you thank you missed by so as to victor you know to continue although i support alternative energy no matter how it comes recently showed me his bill and his bill every month has been fifty five dollars or less so it can be done and he's all electric also so with all that being said i think in this case although i don't always agree in this case i do believe affordable housing funds should be for housing purposes and we just recently had right here the seventy units and they didn't ask for  id and we've had others that come to the store recently and i think more will come i think we need to make sure our monies are dear to peel units so people can live in water they have to be an electric bill o you know in response to you made a good point about one thousand dollars a month but my next question is what is your payment for that system because i had them come to my house and i see what the systems cost and they're not very cheap per month and that's why when i cloudy but i do recall the applicant peeing in the chambers and the questions were asked i believe on the application itself and there were certain i guess on the form itself you had to indicate the justification and how you used to find and i know that they marked off other and so there was no real direct code so i reference the under three point three five point zero zero of the four ball housing fine annual plant and section d says that if the housing is not in immediate result from a proposed appropriation such as acquisition or infrastructure improvements provided an explanation on how the appropriation will result in housing so i didn't get that part of it or how this appropriation would result in the additional housing on the other hand the council has allowed under section three point three five point zero four zero allowed to use the find and make appropriations from it for the following and it does list certain items a b c d e f g h so during the discussion and the meeting there was nothing placed on the record as to which aid through h this applicant was justifying the use of the fund so if you go back in the record i don't believe they fit or they had an opportunity to explain which category they would have fit in a b through h and if you look at three point three five point zero four zero so that that's a missing element in my mind  that there was nothing stated at least on the record or in my memory banks that i can recall that they've the they use a certain category to fit and so on at this point without backing information i referred to here believe the opinion provided was that it was perfectly justifiable whether this body from policy could you speak up a little bit it was justifiable whether the body decides to do it from a policy standpoint is up to the body to take you through that yes i would agree with m that it is up to the body but it we still need to make sure that we place on the record which category three point three zero point zero four zero it fits and like a to increase the supply of or for the rental owner average applicant is in here says or a section under which you feel that this i wouldn't go right i can't stand in the shoes of the applicant and tell and i guess assume that there they need this funds for asked for the leverage funds provided by federal state non profits and other nonprofit counties for further acts to expand affordable housing opportunities i don't applicant is not here he brings up a good point or you bring up a good point and he justified it in my mind saying i don't want to be somebody's shoes and to see how we were justifying it the if they should have said and should or should have answered it is not answered giving them an opportunity to come forward to say this is our justification and then we can decide that point i'm asking you to chair a year year that you break the ruling my concern with that option is that that might points of view and it's great to have three each drawn very strong women with very strong positions on any issue so i listen very well to all the members i would say is your budget chair what i would ask you to consider at this time is that if you choose to support this ocean it doesn't prohibit that applicant because this was a recommendation by the department originally for eight hundred eighty four thousand departmental recommendations and you church just approach it from a different perspective and you supported it to come out of committee to be on the floor this afternoon if you choose to support th why and does not eliminate the opportunity of the applicant to further request a consideration through another budget submittal because this is in a fund that is not dependent upon july requesting us another consideration of this is fine if this is worthy for another consideration mr chairman so i would say it doesn't really die if this amendment was floored by it was said that at this time that might be the  would really hope to get to the main motion because the key is to get this budget in place so that this county can continue to operate paid bills and its employees come july first two thousand and sixteen thank you thank  mccullough you know i'd just like to add that i am a little bit concerned with the wording if housing is not the immediate or direct outcome of an appropriation from the fund and an explanation must be provided and i'm not certain that we've forgotten that explanation and the amount of four hundred forty two thousand dollars is compared to our normal are a rough estimate of what we provided subsidy for our housing projects it's a it's about one hundred thousand dollars subsidies so per unit this is very small within that scale but four hundred forty thousand still four point four houses and as i've been listening to the testimony because i was in total support of this but as i've been listening to the testimony but to your comments it strikes me that you know chair so yeah i mean i you know would like to see anything utilize out of this fund for things that will be affordable perpetuity and like you just stated and reiterated in my opening comments also is that these units were already are going to be built with their with out and so it's not going to hinder this affordable project from moving forward but after think five eight and ten years later it will no longer be regardless  but that's not really a good explanation just says what they want the money for so i just hate to open up those flood gates of someone else coming in and wanting some other type of utility subsidy of sorts for other projects on and on and that's how we you know down used up all of our affordable housing so i just think this is precedence so i think each year thank you mr cochran any further discussion members on chair mike white mr chair there are six eyes and three nose motion passes thank you mr clerk we're back to the main motion and a further discussion on the main motion i am going to be recommending to transfer it position p r s zero four four for clerk three from the department of parks and recreation or christian support services positions a salary from the parks and recreation support services department of parks and recreation i apologize for the amendment at this time but true that history is transitional thirteen there was no requests for positions two thousand and fourteen in fifteen yes there was a requests to transfer a clerk three in fift positions mr truman in review of the requirements and from discussions with both departments i am i recommending that this body this afternoon consider supporting the shifting of one cl position to the department of fire for the necessary clerical support needed for the transfer of this whole division thank you mr chairman members a further discussion of this amendment mr couch they commission chair and i can support mr o camas amendment but i have no concern as to some testimony by the chief is if the transfer doesn't go to that position still go over to white governmental employees association mr indi pereira executive director in these documents i have also states that the effective transfer would be july first and from those documents i have in my hands this two thousand and fifteen effective july one thousand and fifteen there was a request by the fire department regarding these issues but response to impacts to their membership thank you thank you mr o'connell i would agree that i find it a bit disingenuous when there is a there's a signed m o you and over the last i believe three years we've been could sit in this transfer this body has been very very supportive of delay when the chief has requested it but in each of those cases there was never a request for additional staffing and i think most of us have been supportive of this move as long as it didn't include this full staffing we've had discussions  committee with respect to the level of staffing at the beaches and we we came to the conclusion that there are lots of times like before the guards get there and after they leave but there is no protection so if it is our decision as to the degree to which we fund this operation and i i certainly appreciate that the the chiefs focus on providing  very good service but i think we're doing that now and i think we will continue to do that with the staffing that is in place it's my understanding that the  victory no is the one the pointed out corrected me that the staffing levels over the years have been at the staffing levels as they practices of transferring pool guards to cover the beaches for vacations and sick leave ended long ago or i'm not sure it long ago but believe it's been it's been a while  so i'm in support of this transfer because i think it will revise them with some additional assistance but i certainly would be having great difficulty supporting include the functions of all shoreline and ocean rescue and safety and that was what he put in everything on right he in the chief in that in this whole discussion or his whole appropriation and saying no to point we have more use signed and ready to go but i'm going to ask you can't he still just say no right now just stop the whole process i guess that's the way the question should be asked and maybe i shouldn't ask it that way i'll provision i heard the chief's testimony and i think also a member will come as accurate as a body you have a responsibility to move forward the budget as you see fit the chief has is chartered responsibilities the charter provision that you read doesn't define anything aside from saying that there's a time table that he shall provide a timetable for in transition whether or not he's already done that or not i haven't reviewed that whether or not his decision to act  upon what he testified to today will comply with that provision that to as and been evaluated i offer to you that the provisions section fifteen that four as adopted simply requires the provision of a timetable for a transition whether or not he accepts the budget amounts that you pass it's like any other director that needs to accept whatever budget amount you pass the administrator and every director is charged with the responsibility of working within the confines of their budget and within the confines of the charter of responsibility and that's the best i can give you at this moment it's hard for me to go through all the different scenarios that may develop on whether or not the chief follow through follows through on his testimony to provide on the floor today and whether or not you decide to ultimately pass a budget that does or does not include the additional e p counts and or dollar amounts associated there with i think  that it's your policy decision and your implementation of your budget and every director is charge or do sponsibility of working within the confines of that budget ok thank you mr chairman thank you is still on i think for me grandmother and i i would have to say that i disappointed at the chief has this kind of you know i don't know how to define it sort of like threat or not going to do it but i understand his frustrations also he's tried to bring the his department to high professionalism and he's working course  ocean safety however the timetable that we evolved through the charter has gone on i think it's unfair for the parks department i think it's unfair for that that is drawn upon us as policy makers and i think we've worked our heart is to try and accommodate i do not discredit what he's asking us but if we're able to have the beaches covered during during the with the manpower we have let's give it a try and that's where i'm coming  from and i guess to i i would hope he would come back to have the dialogue with us again as to what he really needs once we do th transition there is able to actually happen implemented under his department and come back again instead of seeing that should any of these items not be restored where unable to complete the merger and i think both departments have worked very diligently for the past three years so i would i would hope or maybe three and a half years so i would hope that we will follow through we got to get t these are the things that try are still three i'm sorry that we're here i just think it's kind of said that here we are at the eleventh hour we're trying to wrap up the work that we tried to do and today we're presented essentially with an ultimatum that you know if we don't fund this then we're not going to be able to go ahead with a merger and for me it's deja vu because this is not the first time i've heard this in this chamber i think those of us that have been here a while know the history of this movement this movement and there have been all kinds of roadblocks that have come up in trying to get these folks taking care of  i feel kind of bad because i i hate to see a request for additional ocean safety officers hanging in the balance because we don't know what that translates to in terms of lives or he might have to work overtime but at least one more a mechanic so of course an additional mechanic is wonderful in in the private sector this wouldn't be such a big deal because i have run a mechanic shop for miami or buses and we didn't have a whole lot of people but then we weren't in civil service either and people didn't get all of the time that you know our civil service employees are entitled to so you know you can kind of wear card when you overwork people when you're in a nonprofit but it's very difficult to do in our system so that i can kind of cannot judge whether this is you know something that he absolutely has to have or somebody can manage without but i think it's going to lead to again over time so i don't know how much money we're going to see my way not funding and i think the part that bothers me the most is the lack of our ability to communicate away from this moment it's really sad it makes me said they we can't before we get to this point sit down and kind of work these things out  that we don't have these last minute thing put on the table in front of us it's just not it doesn't feel right for me and i don't want to you know mess up the budget because we work really hard at it and we're on a timetable and we all know that it has to go but i don't feel good about ignoring it either and of course we're at the point where there is no time to sit down and talk about it so i'm going to have to make a vote but i'm not going to be happy with so if that's what happens then so be it and he seemed to be ok with it as far as the people that i've spoken to in that division and they and i don't know if there's a w change the charter that's in place now but put something else on the ballot to state opposite from what the charter is saying to have the merger with fire and have a say in parks so i don't know i mean that was kind of tossed around in the discussion too so i guess that could be an option if truly that you know they want to do that but they all those are just the murmurings that i got haven't heard chief's comments this morning and then training that out what th if your indulgence in the members i'd like to give some come in now in the mean motion as amended first i want to give thanks to the members of the committee for their dedication long hours  going through the i gotta say this was a very different budget process even for your chair there was a lot more things that were left up in the air that we could not get a decision till toward the end of the process a to lead those that were looking for that would be coming from the state legislature on a waffle and part of it as it impacts contracts impacts our revenues anything else of what you see and what you choose to withhold because of its impact on the outcome so i'll take that responsibility of i'm not communicating well the strategy of the committee or of the leadership of the committee but to the community but i felt that we were working in the best interests of our community in the poaches we're taking especially with our state government and our state legislature but saying that mr chairman i want to also look at this time in advance of my cameras thank staff i got to tell you members you have not seen the whalebone to help the community requirements and i want to also think mr baez and his staff because without the support of the budget office timely responses to get us updated information this committee would not have been able to present hundred forty four dollars on march twenty fourth two thousand and sixteen we did our due diligence we extensively reviewed the mirror's proposal with the ministration representatives on march thirtieth to airport twenty second we started our decision making on the put twenty five and we completed it on may second two thousand and sixteen in a period of about two weeks your committee traveled to eight of the council members residency areas to receive public numerous members of the community expressing a for their priorities for the spending of their tax dollars the needs every community are carefully reviewed and we've tried to present you balanced  a regards to those requests becoming to consider limiting reese considered the limited resources and the need to pay for required services while providing for a growing population and growing needs council becoming the recommended a decrease in our real property tax rates except apartment commercial and from our short residential rich remained at the current fiscal year two thousand and sixteen rates your com two thousand and seventeen budget relate heavily upon receipt of thirty six million nine hundred forty thousand dollars of t t revenue of which we received twenty three million four hundred eighty four thousand dollars despite the recommendations of a working group that was created by the state legislature and therefore your committee was left with the need to adjust automatically thirteen million friends at fifty six thousand dollars less in reve dollars or approximately seven point three percent to a total of six hundred fifty nine million five hundred forty thousand and fifty seven dollars become a d here is reckon we need decrease operating appropriations by seventeen million eight eighty seven two zero one two in the amount of five hundred forty five million six hundred seventy one forty three dollars and we decrease keping premium project appropriations  thirty four million fifty eight thousand two hundred eighty six to a number of one hundred thirteen million eight hundred sixty nine thousand one hundred and fourteen dollars so while we have decreased we still have increased it over the current use budget in dealing with the rising cost of employment your committee limited the number of expansion prisons across departments and transferred bacon positions from one department to another where feasible to keep costs to a minimum your committee recommended the transfer of fifty of them personnel and ten point five limited term appointed equivalent personnel under them again a lifeguard services credit from the department of parks  recreation to the department of fire and public safety the transfer of these ocean safety officer positions in fiscal year two thousand and seventeen is consistent but at that time was the fire chiefs recommendation and personal services to assist and department of personal services and department of corporation counsel in koshi with these contracts and i would also add mr chairman as a state negotiator negotiator has mentioned a one per cent increase regarding all fourteen bargaining units statewide one percent monster possibly ninety two million dollars of additional revenue required to pay for that one percent increase an audit of the department of foreign public safety to look at ways to trim expenses in staffing premium pay and rain for recall is being conducted by the office of the county auditors as a means to minimize future employment costs funding for nonprofits year two thousand and sixteen but a focus on food assistance programs substance abuse programs services for the frail and elderly and early childhood programs to help or just the homelessness issue one million dollars was appropriated for homeless programs in addition to funding to a limited term apartment equivalent person now and a housing special assessment specialist to address housing inventory and other related homeless issues your committee also for the funds were also critical for economic development initiatives including agriculture film industry small business promotion and culture and economic d company later this year their committee supports the four point two million dollars requested in funds to them i would county visitor association become a further understand the importance of mitigating in features species to protect the count as well as numerous watershed protection grants ensuring that monies were reinvested back into the community to adjust the county's aging infrastructure and equipment your committee funded keppen improvement projects for roadway drainage bridge improvements in the roads in mitigation projects solid waste and waste water projects part maintenance and facility improvements as well as water development projects testimony from the country residents in support of you propose upcountry state park your community this afternoon is recommending appropriation of one point two million that is necessary for the construction of this project be category operations or services and see category equipment which the mare proposed eliminating in his budget proposal committee notes of these restrictions the laws of the council to make policy decisions concerning the spend enough tax payer dollars clear achieve increase accountability across already part means and he did not appear to hamper a fraction of the apartments in amendments that we have gone through for this current project appropriation can be used funding may not be used for any other purpose under then as described in the appendix hearing an overwhelming desire for open space your committee is recommending this afternoon mr chairman appropriation of one point five million dollars from the open space natural resources culture resources and scenic views preservation preservation fun to approximately two hundred sixty seven point initiatives that were supported including need two point five million dollars appropriation from the fun for the holly in the hall it follows senior project phase one which is to provide thirty eight rental units for seniors at sixty percent and below area medium income become eighty concord with a modest increases proposed by the marriage water service rates for general an agricultural consumers to recover a high portion of the costs of supplying water your know so received here will impact input excuse me from residents in the area where the three can plan pilot project is currently being implemented your committee is there for recommending continuation of the project we do three dollar increase to nine dollars per account per month rather than the twelve dollars per month recommended by the administration i would also say m it's not always you will fight it thirty three page committee report but i think your committee as your committee chair and the staff we felt was very important to make clear the committee's intentions and what the members of the committee for needed to be very clear and accurate and that there be no misinterpretation of what was the intent of counsel regarding the budget documents also saying that mr chairman  i would just say again thank you to all of those that participated we think the community for participating and giving their testimony of what they felt was important or not important and i would be remiss i did not mention because it is hard to sit here all those hours in with all that people are enjoying some might be focused on remembering and understanding what everybody is saying and working on but i do want to echo mr come on our chair and thank the staff they are fabulous we can't complain and i want to thank the budget director i know and you know it's hard for him to but everybody you know who contributes to this process is it's not easy and i want to thank the public for being involved we had lots of good testimony particularly when we went out to our district meetings we had great meetings and i just want to say it's the best we could do and you know we could sit here for ever  about putting money in here and taking it out of there but i think we're ok we're comfortable with what we have before us and we let me mention we have a budget amendment in case anybody feels that you know they really need to fix something we have a process and they will just have to build themselves up the process so i would ask everybody to go away with the spirit of let's make this work and if it's not working then come back and tell us what's wrong and we'll try to fix it thank you ch appreciate each and every one of them they stand up tired and that i all you know by trying to get through it all what we have to do they can have a good know that they're very much appreciate it thank you i think there's a difference between looking tired and looking at it i mean they went through a period of looking had it they would leave with just enough time to go home and shower and come back and i think you know the public doesn't see the amount of work that goes on after the lights go off here the lights go off the rest of the building but they're still out in the chamber in the still come up with a budget that is it addresses ninety nine percent of the concerns of the county and as usual not everyone gets everything they want but i think we've done a responsible job of balancing our need for additional revenues with the needs of the county and as you know i'm not excited to see how fast our expenses are growing not excited to have to take a good portion of the assessed value increase that generates more tax revenue because i believe it's coming from a private sector that is not quite as healthy as it needs to be to be able to afford  and be able to sustain the kinds of tax increases that may be necessary but that's that's why all of us in this room have been very hard on increasing employee counts because from two thousand and thirteen to two thousand this this budget the total cost for employment with a few i think we've got at about maybe seventy or eighty more positions the cost has gone up sixty five million dollars over a four year period and i'll say it again you guys are probably tired of hearing it but that's that amounts to all the taxes we generate from all businesses and all residences in all of ca who louie all of my loop all of my district and all of the spices district that's a huge amount of money and that's in the taxes that we're generating this year or this upcoming year so somehow we've got to be we have to continue to be cognizant of the fact that we've got fourteen new bargain in units coming up for negotiations this year we've got increasing demands i don't see us building a tax base rapidly enough to address the with the taxes that are generated in each of those districts so we've got to look for ways to maintain some controls over the over the expenses and i think we've moved in that direction this year but we're going to have to continue to maintain that focus so i really appreciate all of you participating in a very lively and productive fashion i too really appreciate all the testimony we got from the public night after night day after day they were here to share their window and i was going to say kind things about mr till i spotted him trying to catch catch up on his sleep vacuum in the back of the so far so i won't repeat but i mean no i just appreciate i want to thank all of you my fellow cause a members which votes got a lot of things pretty much all the projects that i pushed forward in a lot of equipment and things for public works things that i needed last minute questions on in nine o'clock at night they can answer i mean their eyes are glued to their t v set home or wherever they were to so it's a it's a collaboration of sorts from all levels so i overall i think we have a great budget we of course like it was mentioned can't give everybody everything but you know we balanced and we made sure that we funded you know the things that are needed and again bu how he led us through this budget i have actually learned a lot more during this budget and then the previous budgets that have gone through so i do appreciate all of the knowledge that he's shared along the way and i know that we've had a lot of debates on the floor and i think that it's all it's all good it's all in the best interest of the community i think we've all worked our hearts out in our tails often and  focus focus focus all week we completed the budget and so i'm very happy at this point and i just want to also say thanks to my boys do your homework i'm watching  i wanted to be the last purposely my response this is my last rodeo ten years ten years eight district meetings every year three budget years and countless nights weekends but i liked every moment of it because it really helped me and i really believed help m county to be in the position they are in today our forefathers had a great vision and i believe we've taken that vision and continued to expound on it for years changes have to come and there's more changes on the horizon but i think we have what i consider and a lot of people consider the best county in the state and sometimes the best county in the nation can we learn from other counties here but i think we have learned that what we do here works pretty well sometimes so like today i was having a very difficult morning i was tongue twisted a little and i got thrown off by different outside reminders of what i was supposed to be doing so you know that i understand how that happens i really think the chair you know sometimes i don't always agree what you see or how you say they do like the idea that you always rationalize and give your reason for what you just put forward but you agree or not that's not the point but at least you understand where he's coming from and you too much to cheer you know i don't always agree and i think none of us all agree with everybody and everything we do but at least we came if we have a strong passion or a strong validation of what we're trying to get done at least the rest of us can understand it's ok well i don't agree what i understand where he or she is coming from the other part is i apologize you know this year like last i missed a lot it has some ideas also we're going to put together and we want to have some real true movement we've got to really work together i think for the first time that i can recall and i think we still come work in verify this is true or not we actually who the heck do they think they are we don't think we're anything but concerned legislators and constituents that are coming here to work with you and i went i missed the vote but he missed the vote more importantly i think the other county in this state does what we do by going out to every district to see what they need and i think they appreciate that i read it somebody said maybe we don't have to do that anymore i think that's on that is very very important to because i don't ask for a lot because it is the county i asked for not my district not my area but we have you guys ever listen to my concerns about crosswalks and lighting and parking and how they shoes and i think you all and specially to cheer for bringing that forward finally i want to think the staff you know they do the fabric of my staff the staff here you know whenever there's a question departments otherwise we got answers pretty quickly to chair and that i can appreciate that wasn't true when we first walked in because i remember one of the first meetings i had when i asked a question the standard response i'll get back you two weeks in our next meeting and i couldn't understand why they couldn't get answers but as time has gone on they've gotten much better but departments have sold to you much to cheer to the public to all the nonprofits dollar businesses out there this budget has been cooked taken out redone put back in redone for me i don't know how many times you can stick it in the oven to get it done but it has been and i think we have a very good  product is it perfect no the only perfection i know is up there on i haven't reached her yet so i'm not sure if i am but i'm from try art so i want to thank all of you i want to see mahalo again for everyone involved any time i see what our staff what our seventh floor and all the other people that work with us county clerk and the clerks office what they do they'd be sure to be surprised and it would really change their attitude towards what are county workers effect i believe our county workers are probably the best in the in the state disassociate times you don't see all the you know what the old saying you don't see the trees from the force and you just don't see what's in front so with that being said  i want to thank everybody and i guess i have one more thing i need to get done and so whenever you really wish to cheer will quickly i want to get it done so that i have fulfilled my final obligation for my recent trip to japan thank my colleagues very very much for play passing the skate park many i tell you the kids are excited and please don't forget to invite me that day dedicated because i really would love to be there there stickler for the record bills forty eight two thousand and sixteen up to and including bill sixty two two thousand and sixteen you have before you recommendation number sixteen referral of the matter relating to the real property tax rate for buildings valued at one million or more in the residential classification to the budget finance committee number seventeen referral of the matter relating to separate tax rates for land and buildings within a classification to the budget finance committee eighteen referral of the matter relating to equipment purchases home exemption amount to the budget and finance committee number twenty referral of the matter relating to a minimum threshold amount to require council authorization to transfer funds between categories of use to the budget finance committee and twenty one referral of the matter relating to erosion issues at hold six seven and eight at the way who golf course to the economic development energy agriculture agriculture and recreation committee twenty two referral of the matter relating to the south maui parks district master plan to the economic development energy agriculture and recreation committee twenty three referral of the matter relating to creating an enterprise fund and department of parks and recreation to the economic development energy agriculture recreation committee twenty four referral of the matter relating to fees for public charging stations for electric vehicles including development of an assessment report to be transmitted to the council by march first two thousand and seventeen to the economic development energy agriculture and recreation committee twenty five referral of the matter relating to establishing a county office of agriculture to the economic development agger energy agriculture recreation committee twenty six referral of the matter relating to license agreement between the county and county of maui in mind hockey association for the kilometer park in mind skating facility which expired on june thirtieth two thousand and twelve to the economic development energy agriculture and recreation committee twenty seven referral the matter relating to license agreement between the county and the state park which expires on may nineteenth two thousand and sixteen to the economic development energy agriculture recreation committee twenty eight referral matter relating to licensing animals other than dogs to the housing human services and transportation committee twenty nine referral of the matter relating to the housing and to interim financing and buyback revolving fund including the use of funds contributed by the sable hawai'i incorporated to the housing human services and transportation committee thirty referral of the matter relating to the lease agreement between the county and titan international l c for the affordable housing project site scheduled to expire on may nineteenth two thousand and seventeen to the housing human services and transportation committee thirty one referral of the matter relating to the potential acquisition of land for the holiday move affordable housing project including a report to the council on the committee's findings to the housing human services and transportation committee thirty two referral of the proposed building titled a bill for an ordinance amending chapter twelve point to infrastructure environmental management committee thirty three referral of the matter relating to the extension project to the infrastructure and environmental management committee thirty four referral of the matter relating to the use of sixty four gallon carts for residential refuse collection to the infrastructure and environmental management committee thirty five referral of the matter relating to review of the highway beautification disposal of abandoned vehicles revolving fund to the infrastructure an environmental management committee thirty six referral of the matter relating to review the curbside recycling program or three can plan including a determination of the true cost to operate the program and whether the department of environmental management should charge differently than the fee provided in the annual budget whether the program is operating efficiently the demand for  usability of the program and whether the program should be discontinued to the infrastructure environmental management committee thirty seven referral of the matter relating to the policies and standards of the office of council services to the policy an intergovernmental affairs committee thirty referral of the matter relating to an evaluation of a policy to allow the political department director to weigh filing fees for applications filed by on our behalf of the any kind of agency to the policy into governmental affairs committee thirty nine filing of kind of communication sixteen dash twenty nine and forty filing of kind of communication fulcrum which was celebrating their hundred anniversary they also celebrated their forty and ninety anniversary of their far flower festival and we also celebrated to eighty year of our sister she relationship with them as you can see these are the gifts that was asked by the various officials to bring back to all of you i'll give you a little story on the pins of shelves they were and how i had to go find of painter to him bottom wall because they had run up at a time i got there but i had to bring it back to you so we all went out the vendor and he me i bought all of these and you know that was the only way i could get it for you so i tried to get the gold for