hi this is i'm a great go from seeing your perspective we have really a treat for you today i have several guests that have done some art work and as their hobbies and also as a profession and i'd like to ohio staff the advertising department if i may i have a couple samples of the type of work i did i specialize mainly in accessories  shoes and handbags and these are samples of the newspaper ads that we did for hippies that was the misconception that people who do abstract art do abstract because they can draw and i don't i don't agree with that for me abstract is more creative  i like all types of art and i enjoy all types but i do i do like the abstract that's for me but it sounds very interesting now could we talk a little bit about your family could you tell me are there any artists in your family besides yourself yes in different ways i have we have a son and two daughters our son  and three children and they are with campus crusade for christ and he teaches at the school of theology there but i was wondering when we had talked before when he really  did there's a let's be pretty interesting to be able to do something like that yes they're very dedicated let's sounds like you've got some very interesting children doing been doing interesting things we have lots of ways to watercolor sailboat on the ocean which reminds me of when i graduated from high school my art teacher wrote in my your book please keep up your nice clean water colors and i haven't painted in water colors i use oil on canvas well that seems to be a little more difficult than the water colors is it not no there's a far or do you just i'm not too much in painting in that i don't know don't do water colors just i might mention  that my painting is action painting i paint flat i don't have an easel and i move my canvas around as i paint had an article in the newspaper and he said the less control the better and i thought if he said that it must be true so i do feel guilty anymore and i also watched ones that have brush work are not as successful as the ones that don't could act mention how i got into this type of money by all means  great deal to mike murray art league because years ago they had a seminar at the crossroads it was a critique class because each week our and would assign a different medium to work we didn't do any work in class but we would bring our work in and he would critique what we had done during the week and then he would assign another medium for the next week and this is how i started doing the style and i you know took off like a big bird it was just right for me i wanted to show you this because this is one of my other interests is a duplicate bridge which we play op and these are out playing cards and i cut them out of smithsonian magazine each card was created by a different artist this one happens to be the jack of diamonds with jackie robinson i love that one have the six of hearts  bridge this is a sample of the type of work i did for years and years before i got into the abstract says the covered bridge at menlo park and it was stein not a long time ago pig i'd like to thank you very much for showing us around to all your beautiful paintings and perhaps there is something else you would like to tell us about well i would like to say that i think that  fortunate because i had an agent in pittsburgh for many years her name is slaughter affair and she and her husband are retired now live in florida but she was very good for me to tell you at one point i used to have a little vegetable stand my home and all i did was put a couple blocks up and some boards and put the produce out and fly plants and stuff in this one artist came over and was painting that didn't look like anything to me whenever it was there but when it was finished i mean it looked that it was great in the sea that's what i mean i mean about i mean they can see more than what we can exactly  that would sort of bring out the point what you were trying to say i should mention too i have a favorite art book the name of it is no more second hand art right i was about ten years old and i seem to have a tendency to be able to do a fairly decent artwork sketching some painting so i went to saturday morning classes at the art museum i did that for two or three years and then they invited me back to come in the summer time to do water colors outside that's where i actually started with watercolor is that what do you prefer then is water coloring well i do because it's something that i know better really interest in the water coloring that began when i was in high school and then continued on to college really i went to the university of cincinnati and majored in costume design or they made on this thin paper like yeah that would be like similar to tissue paper but a little bit stronger but i continued i didn't really get  into costume design per se but when we were married that our family and the girls were growing up i would make their clothes and i'd make mine i call earth or i made my clothes from the time i was about twelve or thirteen i guess that was the reason that i wanted to get my mother taught me to sew so i did quite a few articles of clothing and then when our daughters were in high school they began to have the drill team at boeing peter you know by school and so i was the first one to sign white sketch and get my life lights and darks and medium tones figured out before i began to paint but you have a well balanced  well planned quite often you will put in iraq a light wash a particular collar if you were doing a landscape it would be blues or whatever you see in the sky and start out with that   when you have a right you can develop some of the painting just like there is a negative painting and you can go around something say something a flower or part of course you can either use glass to cover it you do need something like that in there glass or acrylic and then you use a frame that would be appropriate to the painting  and you put a backing on it so it's reverse that that's pretty much what i do do i do the whole thing you know if it's a metal frame i will be able to put that together myself because it comes with everything together if you know the size you mean the frame you have to measure the frame and everything already i have to know your measurements very well course so that are like a dome type thing and then they have these upright poles and they use that to dry things on and they have their wood up there to build a fire well and the mountains were in the background it was a very enjoyable time to see that and so different for retired but i've been interested in right working on my life i guess my father was a carpenter and when i was six years old he built our first house when i was in high school he built our second house and i helped him build that and he saw that and we built another house so i've always been interested in the woodworking i learned a lot from him and i have done woodworking most of my life but carving i started after i retired one now what's the difference between woodworking and carving well after i came home from the royal we decided to build our house ourselves and so i've done most of the work you see in this house and woodworking is so i've seen some of your work that you've done here and it's really beautiful thank you and you were talking about a grandfather's clock you made yes would you mind explaining that to us and showing it to us well it's  here in the room and i built that from a set of plans from wood that i got from the laurel highlands it's a wall that would in the rights i ordered from mason sullivan in new york it's a german made all brass works so i just made it from the plan and did the carving that i thought would look good on it that's very interesting i still can't believe how you are not there next off or something i think razor sharp edge because you can't get caught with them unless they're center i have a high speed granular here and i have barriers to put in it and i've built a small model out of it to show how they live and how they put the panels in and how they close their flaps this is tied to a pole out here and when it rains they  and this is a liner that fits inside of the tent which i don't have in there yet it also creates a draft that keeps the smoke coming out the top and also provides insulation in code rather and the cap will come off it just the way i put it together so they are very useful in holland then sure and also they were brought to the americas to the united states and canada in the early days to provide power for different purposes project of mine when we were in alaska i saw totem falls so i had to carve a little totem pole and i think that's kind of got it right into so i gave my self a chance to carve anything in and i think that's kind of from aspen wood which i picked up in the rocky mountains and had to do sign on the days just to give it a little more character