good evening we're glad to see you here this evening even though it's so beautiful outside you joined us in council chambers and that is a gift it is looking like spring out there at the some of the trees are flowering we have sixteen days to fiesta and seventeen to tulip time so good times are coming in holland michigan could you start with a roll call please and  our deputy city clerk and a paralysis after that we are going to have the pledge of allegiance we would invite you to join us if you would like standing bather dear father we are so grateful for everything that you have given us thank you so much for the loved ones in our lives for the many ways in which we are cared for in supporting thank you for the many ways we can serve and give to others thank you for the rich tapestry of colors and creation for the beauty which is all around us from the skies and the ever changing cloud formations where the breathtaking sunset and early morning mist our hearts are so grateful and remain with thanks amen thank you anna now we're going to go on to the consent to gender which is a list of items that will be approved with one vote at one time at the closing of her presentation unless there is one of those items  more that you would like to talk about and that's why you attended this evening so if that is the case at the end of her reading all the items on the consent agenda i will open the floor for you to come to the podium give us your name address and the item that you would like to have taken off consent and then we will handle that item in its sequence as it's presented in the agenda that you have so in i would you please read our consent agenda item four eight excuse the absence of council member  for b to approve the minutes of the regular meetings held march fifteenth and april twelfth special meeting held march twenty ninth and study session meetings held march eighth and twenty second two thousand and seventeen for seat to accept and file executed of office from various boards and commissions eighty two places except for study and report a p a one ninety eight tax abatement submitted by coops inc at nine sixty five productions court twelve a one to approve the talent services agreement with korn ferry hay group to provide leadership assessment in training resources for the hauen board of public works leadership development program at a cost of two hundred twenty dollars per participant approved as to form by the city attorney twelve two to declare a surplus periods obsolete equipment and material items as listed in determined by how on board of public works twelve three to adopt a renewal resolution to allow for the sale of our j m renewable energy resources with authorization of the board of public works general manager up to five hundred thousand dollars per transaction and one million five hundred annually and to allow the purchase  replacement merrick authorization of the holland board of public works general manager up to one hundred thousand in your early twelve eighty four to approve a settlement and release agreement with south ha ventures for delinquent block trick bills incurred by their tenant trin polymers twelve eighty five to approve a purchase and sale agreement was the see call company for up to twenty five thousand tons of co at a price equal to or greater than twenty five dollars per ton subject to approval last a form by the city attorney twelve six to approve a contract with davis construction company and the total amount to five hundred seventy two thousand four hundred thirteen for the replacement of two pneumatic lift stations pending approval as to form by the city attorney in a transfer from contingency in the amount of one hundred seventy four thousand five hundred thirty eight to cover the full cost of said project twelve and seventeen to accept in place on first reading don't you know ordnance amendments to rezone two hundred two hundred four west twenty fourth street two hundred nine west twenty fifth street and five hundred five eighty one in five ninety three washington a from the are one family residential district to the p u d planned unit development district with final adoption for the may third two thousand and seventeen public regular meeting twelve b two seventeen b t except in place on first reading zoning ordinance tax amendments to section thirty nine dash three sixty downtown review board membership with final adoption schedule for me thirty two thousand and seventeen twelve do you want to refer claims filed against the city to the city's insurance carrier and city attorney for consideration twelve d two to approve the two thousand and seventeen to up time contract subject to approval of the required insurance certificate an approval last a form by the city attorney twelve days three to adopt a resolution recognizing how and civic theatre as a nonprofit organization operating in the city for the purpose of attaining a charitable gaming license to conduct the fund raising raffle over the next several months pentium final approval by the city attorney thousand and seventeen grass morning contractor at a cost of forty two dollars per hour for the enforcement of section one thousand dash eleven of the city ordinance which requires property owners to maintain their grass at a height of eight inches or l twelve easy to point to to approve the low bid submitted by as that gardner rasmussen exteriors and roca construction to complete the work for a dangerous structure located at seventeen east twenty four st for the remov vegetation replacement of rough for garage and home paint and other listed items in a report and their cost for this work will be charged back to the property owner and if not paid will be placed on the next tax bill item twelve  point three and seventeen see to accept and placed on first reading the proposed ordinance amendments to chapter fourteen of the city code for come pat ability with the requirements of the state residential building code in respect to smoke detectors and existing homes as reviewed by the city attorney with final adoption scheduled for may third two thousand and seventeen regular media twelve eve four point one to approve the bid submitted by true green in the amount of sixty nine thousand three hundred twenty nine dollars and thirty six create an industrial development district for property located at fourteen forty two and fourteen fifty two lincoln avenue four point three to schedule public hearing from a third to consider a twelve year p a one ninety industrial fifteen thousand for the development development of an inter per to plan at whim i haven't gardens to be funded through the municipal capital improvement subject to approval asked of form by the city attorney twelve six point two two cathy to bergen owner of boars shoes in the for insulation a projecting sign located at fifty one east eighth street east six point four to approve the amendment to the listing agreement with to change the expiration date from march thirty to september twenty ninth two thousand and seventeen authorized the mayor and deputy clerk to sign said agreement subject to approval asked of former the city attorney item twelve east six point five to adopt a resolution to adjust the hours of which people can place items in the public right away beginning at six am on the day of parade for all scheduled two thousand and seventeen to up time parades known as the music parade books parade and kinda parade effect of this two thousand and seventeen year east six point seven two except as information the metropolitan extension telecommunications right away oversight act unilateral form agreements submitted by ever stream g l c holding company granting access to and i'm going use for the public right away to contest direct install and maintain telecommunications facilities with a term of five years from date of issu and authorize a city manager manager to submit a permit approval to the michigan public service commission twelve e's six point eight to accept an approved the fair food network finding grant for the double up food bucks program and that the market coordinator and the city manager be authorized to complete the fair food network agreement as required and item twelve eighty seven point one to approve an agreement for services and completely i n the amount of two thousand for new recreation software subject to approval as to form by the city attorney thank you and that was probably some kind of record thank you now perhaps one or more of those items you came here specifically to address council about if that's the case please come to the podium give us your name and address and tell us what items you would like removed from that consent agenda preparation for the parades anyone else yes mike medicare this is not to remove but to correct a typographical error before it gets voted on it goes into the public record under twelve  for the first sentence on the description reads during the period september one twenty sixteen and december fifteenth twenty sixteenth tebbit backwards the report actually read september one two thousand and fifteen to january one  thank you any other items ok do we have approval of the consent agenda amended audience who would like to speak don't be afraid so scared i've never been here before but not everyone knows this is craig rich and he was one of the honored statesman of the city i learned so much from him with his humble spirit and hard work and articulate why of expressing himself and his values for the community that i have so respected over the years thank you i'm so grateful that you  and she did a good job because the tigers like the first pitch is probably in a book probably already mayor and council aren't you glad that we passed about twenty five years ago something called the concert agenda you'd be here till two in the morning with a list in an age when communities have forgotten the true meaning of memorial day the city of holland stands out among those cities because we choose to remember it's one of the things that makes our community special we've always worked hard to plan for the future in this town and to celebrate our past for more than a decade now memorial day has been a coordinated effort between a small committee of citizens who run the annual parade and i have with me ronnie moralists who is our parade chair and  trump who is a member of the committee and has been for several years and met hannah graff who is also a member of the committee and two members are not here that committee has run the parade portion of the day whereas the  actual cemetery portion the ceremony takes place in the cemetery has been run by a different committee well beginning this year our committee the parade committee will also take on the post parade ceremony at pilgrim home cemetery this allows the veterans group to stand down after giving so many years of service in doing so we want to introduce ourselves and to extend an official invitation to all of you the leaders of our community to participate in both the parade and the ceremony again this year memorial day activities going to way at nine thirty a m as the parade steps off finally back to our usual route after many years of construction will be at the corner of eighth and central proceeding east to columbia avenue then south i'm sorry east to columbia  es then south on columbia to sixteenth street and then east on sixteenth to the pilgrim home cemetery we invite veterans and active members of the military past and present army navy marine corps air force coast guard in peacetime in conflict and during the cold war to march in this annual parade this is for you the veterans of our community who have given the greatest sacrifice for whom we hold this event the parade will lead holland citizens to the pilgrim home cemetery where at eleven a m a short ceremony will begin in the usual location beneath the civil war monument those who have attended in the past will see some familiar elements along with several changes to freshen up that ceremony as always we request your participation counsel to set an example for holland citizens we also request the cooperation of the city's parks and recreation public safety and transportation departments to provide their usual assistance with traffic control public safety and staging as well as seating at the ceremony none of this is possible without the cooperation of the city and the support of our sponsors the registration portion of our website is now up and running if anybody has the watching or listening and wants to be a part of the parade they can go to our website at h d p n that's how the memorial day parade h m d p dot org you can register there as a parade participant you can look at photos of past events and you can help us out with a donation as many companies and citizens do through our pay pal donation site you can also follow us on facebook to keep up with them there are a lot of photos there from past events to we're losing our veterans at a very rapid rate these days so more and more of them are switching from being a part of the parade to being honored in the parade and at the cemetery afterwards like to thank you for your past present and future support with everyone's commitment holland will never forget to honor those who have fallen those who have served and those who continue to serve in our military to maintain our freedoms that's all i have to say if you have any questions about this year's memorial day we'd be happy to answer them otherwise we hope to see you on monday morning the twenty ninth at the corner of eighth and central thank you very much thank you so much greg and the other comments or questions f craig no i heard roger jansen addressing the american legion band and saying that he was passing the baton to your committee and yeah we really appreciate your willingness to do that and roger has served so faithfully and well and he lost his friend gored a few years ago and it's just becomes too much to do and so it's very inspiring to have that you guys step forward and service thank you is there anyone else in the audience this is public comments so anyone can talk about whatever you'd like to talk about only can't be something later on the agenda with talk about i my name is lauren burk and i'm actually living on the street at the moment twelve street eighty five street so i'm your neighbor and i wanted to speak for a minute about a hope that i have for the city of hollands if you don't mind i'm just going to read what i have written i'm a junior at hall in christian and this semester in my government class we have been tasked with a civic engagement project and this project we ha to research and present something we are passionate about the topic i am passionate about is the plight of native american peoples across our nation in fact according to revolutionary front line ninety seven percent of native americans today living on the pine ridge reservation in south dakota live below the poverty line it's the population of holland michigan is thirty three thousand four hundred eighty one that means about thirty two thousand four hundred seventy seven of the residents in our city would be impoverished i repeat that thirty three thousand four hundred eighty one and thirty two thousand four hundred seventy seven people of that population would be in poverty that statistic is astonishing however this is not what i see as the greatest and justice the worst part is the lack of respect for these people as a whole this disrespect continues to reoccur every year that we celebrate columbus day and cities across our nation as of twenty seventeen michigan reports that there are twelve federally recognized native american tribes in michigan favor of recognizing the second monday of october as indigenous peoples day and no longer columbus day in fact twenty two cities across america recognized indigenous peoples day as a holiday rather than columbus day our city has had an out and out cry for maintaining our dutch heritage as you all likely know by their response to the first welcome sign vote but my call is for this community to have an equal if not passionate cry to show a renewed respect for the people that first held up a welcome sign it is my hope that we as a community can pass a similar ordinance to traverse city by replacing a dated and disrespectful holiday with a more appropriate indigenous peoples day as we the people of holland look toward our future i would like to know what we can do to recognize those mistreated in our community by the year twenty eighteen thank you for your time for your leadership of our city and your thoughtful consideration thank you laura and thanks for coming thanks for sharing your hard anyone else has something they'd like to address council about ok we will close the public comment move on to the adoption of ordinances amendment to chapter thirty seven right thank you this is final reading of an ordinance first reading was given on march fifteenth and it's comprehensive cross connection control program that's to ensure that there's no backflow from hoses or industrial quit meant in a way that would contaminate the clean water supply some language regarding the testing of such backflow prevention devices additional requirements for upgrading backflow prevention devices with fire protection systems and this would then also give the authority under the ordinance to the homburg of the worst to enforce the crossing action program and the requirements of the safe drinking water act so second reading is requested the recommendation is to adopt these amendments to chapter thirty second thirty seven water article to cross connections there any discussion council or motion i think we're all about safe water and the health safety and welfare of the community we have excellent water but we can't take anything for granted we'll definitely stay vigilant on that so we're glad they are at the b w so i believe we can call for a vote an gifts could you read those for a santa please city manager's office is pleased to report the following gifts city council for the who is hosting the m l ups michigan league annual convention on september thirteenth of received i mean donated seven hundred fifty and from various donors in the amount of one thousand dollars of parks and recreation hallin in bloom for mr and mrs merrill prinz in and recreation been royalty farmhouse restoration from the holland area convention and visitors bureau in the amount of one thousand seven hundred thirty seven dollars and thirty seven cents and the downtown development authority for a downtown bench from the fifth third bank in the amount of fifteen hundred community human relations commission for the holland use connections program and this is the fifth year for this program from coming am dolman and the amount of allotment hundred dollars john musgrave in the amount of five hundred in judith's land in the amount of three hundred public safety services department for the fire operations received in kind from tyson foods been valued at one hundred dollars it is recommended that these donations be accepted was appreciation and an expression of gratitude be forwarded to said donors thank you and  theory and supported by peter's any comments it is a wonderful list and the city of holland we are able to do far more than we can ask our imagine because of the generous people who live here that we can set vision bigger than numbers because we have people that are willing to join us in that journey and make this an even better place and it's very humbling when you read those lists of so many businesses and individuals and groups that give so much to make this the wonderful quality of life that we can enjoy every day thank you and we are going down to the item that we yes we have to we have to vote on it and i could you call the rol motion passes unanimously with appreciation pink you beautiful and ok we're moving into the civic center place improvement no we aren't we're going to the to the time change in our ways ryan would you like to introduce that i thank you mayor i will defer to our system to the city manager but i do wonder if this is going to be a long conversation whether maybe we'd like to have a gentleman who lives in ada to present and then be on his way but i put that out as a no well why don't we change that order then and let's talk to keith would you like to introduce keith ryan thank you pete hopkins is here tonight he is a professional  fundraiser but i think that really doesn't state completely all the efforts that pete brings to keith brings to the position of helping communities get their arms around a large civic monuments gifts that are could be lasting legacies both for families as well as individuals in a way that commemorates all that's good about a community and that is what the civic center place project will be one of this  city manager can i get the slides for this matter up on the screen as you know we have snow going to point of order we cannot just but just the agenda we have to vote on suspending the rules oh i'm sorry oh could we have a motion to suspend the rules in order to talk with key hopkins so far we go into the till then discussion so moved by white men support and related to the building is funded through a variety of generous donors totaling three million dollars the hearing a family heyworth corporation and the city council and the taxpayers in relation to a bond as well as a brownfield tax abatement  project so what we don't have funded or is not clear how all the trees some of the rooms inside in terms of opportunities for people to make special contributions the fireplace a in a way that would be meaningful to all concerned so this is a campaign that is involved and at this point i'd like to seek information from keith hopkins who's done two hundred some of these programs throughout s michigan the state nation great hey thanks everybody for changing the agenda so that i can present and be on my way as we talked earlier the pre canceled meeting i'm a west michigan guy have been doing campaigns for a little over twenty years  ryan indicated i've done about two hundred of these many of which are public private partnerships or governments involved with private charitable donors to accomplish goals that are good for a community and so when we began to talk about the holland civic campaign the civic center campaign we talked a little bit about the planning that's going to need to occur over the next six months to get this done to invite the community to participate in the campaign as potential donors and that volves everything from developing right the appropriate marketing tools to recruiting some business and community leadership that is representative of the broad based sectors of the community so it's not just business but it clues all sectors of the community also involved providing tools and training for the the members of that team to be successful in raising money and when they're out knocking on doors inviting members of the community to participate they need to be well prepared to make those solicitation efforts and of course as ryan indicated to look a little bit at the naming opportunities that still exist to flesh that out a bit and then to do the appropriate follow up with both gift and pledge acknowledgement accounting to make sure that all of the money is well accounted for and that we are fulfilling the fiduciary responsibility of the city and ensuring that those donor funds are used as promised that's all going to take some time to do that and usually as i told the mayor and i told ryan when we met the first time to get a campaign done successfully you've got to have the right people you've got to have a compelling vision and you've got to have a good plan i bring the plan to the table you guys already i think have a compelling vision and we've got to start to get some leadership involved and it's got to be beyond governmental leaders as it's got to be community based leadership and i would hope significant business leadership would be involved if you choose to approve this process it's as if as we said earlier it's a six month process where the thirty five thousand dollars price tag was paid over six months we would begin immediately upon approval to start to work on the marketing and then also to determine where the funds that were donated might might be held in the short term i think there is some benefit and we had talked about this not with the council but with mayor de boer and also with ryan of potentially putting the money at the community foundation in the short term  there are some real benefits to that for donors and also for the community as a whole and i think it's always difficult to encourage community donors to give directly to government particularly in big broad based campaigns but often times when there  a third party like a community foundation involved that helps to raise the credibility of the campaign and also more more importantly i think gives donor advised funds at the community foundation a simple way to transfer money from one fund to another without a lot of effort on the part  donor so those are all questions up for discussion but we want to begin immediately in early may with development of leadership development of our marketing determining where the funds might reside in the short term putting in place a pledge an accounting system for the campaign and then beginning to meet on a regular basis to get this campaign rolling as we indicated earlier there's really two pieces to this that when i would call a major give effort for more significant gaps but also a very broad based community effort to engage all sectors of the community and to invite all people that any donor level to participate because the civic center is the community center and it does not belong to any one person any questions you yeah we love your involvement we really appreciate your expertise to help us define exactly what we want to do and how to do it so is it all right let for the high school students would be involved in this year but never any in the have aligned some elements of your schedule for this activity every two weeks much of those dates are fresh in your mind if i believe are for i believe the first potential date is the sixteenth of may if my memory serves me correctly we're going to try to meet at least twice in may and probably maybe three times because if the council does want to move ahead with this we've got to get moving fast i think the kid earlier we're going to do this like compressed time frame which means more work up front and so once you make your determination ryan you can be in contact with me and i will start to talk about media next steps so council member peters you have reminded us there's a lot of legwork on our end and i dissipate a marshalling our forces to make that possible so tonight or some point let me know if you want to be part of that may sixteenth meeting and i will certainly be working with jay and nancy who've been part of this all along to to to widen that circle yes it is so if people want to get involved they our office correct contact city manager's office and three five five thirteen ten or i think it said known as you remember the email exactly holland manager going concerns with items being placed in the right of way in the evening before the saturday parade as was evident to all of you from to me everyone on all of you are aware that the the rules for the tool time parades for placing items in the right away to reserve spots on the wednesday in the thursday parade are nor later than six a m on the day of the parade and the saturday parade is a little different regulation that regulation is nine p m on the day prior to the parade  we once we received the they were requests to to make the change from the time we talked to department the d d a public safety and the parks department already agreed agreement that having items in the right away  the day prior the evening prayer does create a bit of a mess along the parade route and they were all in support of making this change i do have the executive director we do have the executive director of two a time when we're here in the audience if you wish you can invite her to the microphone at your choice to get her take on it but this change is one that the city staff does seem to support and as the resolution reached currently this item would go into effect for this year's tool time greats ok thank you matt when did you want to speak to this one hour a day executive director of two of time who would be working men stop and probably is already yes thank you thank you so much you know as we discussed earlier there's really two issues here one is the safety component we have had some people tripping over blankets and barricades and things that folks do put up to save their space which is unfortunate for a visitor and town i believe it also doesn't bode from in a static feel for our town to have this much clutter if you will out in the streets in the curbs to save their spaces on on friday evening prior to the prayed and there's adequate time on saturday morning to still do that we want the community involved we do want them to be able to participate in the parades and be great cheerleaders of us i love seeing all the tailgates and things that happen on the road as we go down the parade route so it's a really fun thing but just trying to keep things clean allow the parks department to get to the garbage cans and so forth throughout friday evening and early morning before saturday's parade thank you glenn any discussion from council if you'd like to do when the streets and parks departments do have the right as to the resolution to remove items placed in the public right away you could lose your blanket go ahead right here and what would happen what it would be brought back to the transportation department or the parks department i pick it up yes it would it would be bought back items that are there are taken are bought t o i believe i have to read it but i believe it's through the parks department and then people are given a a window of time to pick up their items we cannot keep them forever oh excuse me transportation department through thirty three one  brian it's getting creative i can tell ok wayne did you have something to say just real quick or just it's just kind of the interesting study of human nature that we need to have the territorial spot i mean that go i've gone to two time parades for sixty years or more and as time is going on it's it's gotten bigger and bigger and we now have poles and tape and it never used to be that way and people just came out first served first come first serve in this like putting your coat over the seats of someplace else so you the other people can sit there and i guess i would really encourage people not to put things out on the street and just come to the p take your stuff out there and try to make a good wonderful place with your neighbors but that being said i guess the reality is that's kind of in their d n a right now i don't really have a particular preference i don't see where it makes too much difference one way or the other seems like we have it's going to be very difficult to change people's habits but i would really encourage people use you know use your good thinking on this people we don't really we can all that come enjoy this not be too worried about territory and we can all fit in there and make it work thank you wayne any other comments question you matt moving on to communications from the city manager members of the city council i have five items tonight the first is the city council has worked very hard on there the budget the city staff has supported that effort and we will continue to do we working  supporting on april twenty sixth so that's the study session there is an initial item for that evening if anyone watching wants to participate in that discussion i believe it would probably be around six thirty that night in the training room upstairs for more discussion on the budget specifically associated with some staffing priorities and also capital improvement changes that would most likely be essary in order to make that work second on your your extension of their ability to do research possible development there i'm a seventeenth so in this room there will be the opportunity for everyone in the community to hear that proposal i've not seen a proposal they've not provided one this is something that's similar to when the request was made similar to when the appraisal was done is something that only the city council see at the same time as as everybody else in a way that enables an opportunity for sufficient and as thorough as public comment is necessary that's the my modus operandi on this on this project and i think that is a good thing let me know if you would like to see it proceed differently third there has been an initiative several conversations with school board members with some council members and there's a suggestion that there be  some pairing in a way that matches some council members or school members and with some schools so i have a a list here if anyone would like to to proceed on that i can provide more information after the meeting forth there is sometimes there's often times we crescent imitations for council members and staff members to attend events oftentimes those events have a cost associated with them and there we do know when i have a policy right now and how that would work you know what how those their work related they're usually related to your council roles so i've put pen to paper i've talked with our city attorney and our leadership team and i'd like to at the next study session or because of fit one after provide a policy for you to consider that would be appropriate in relation to city support of registration fees associated with events that relate to all the jobs that everyone is doing and i think it be healthy to have that conversation and discussion in policy it would be fine certainly what we do and would also  and the city council and that would be upstairs in the training room am so far that seems to be a date that's holding so i wanted to make sure it works for you still and will plan on that unless i hear otherwise thank you thank you ryan communications from the mayor we have a minimum so i may ask a question certainly mike i'm a little confused right and maybe i'm not catching it but this presentation having a public hearing all the same night how we're going to have a meaningful dialogue we're getting this information right then and there are time about lots of and say yes yeah i thank you for that clarification i did not mean to imply to be a public hearing i'm just saying corrector and i counsel will determine what process you want to follow go to based on what you hear and see like you brian when same topic just point of clarification that the exclusivity agreement with that has been has lapsed there is to interpretation as to when it lapses the latest interpretation is as of april nineteenth tonight ok thank you any other comments or questions for a right ok then we'll move on to our appointments re appointments and resignations we have karl kuning to the planning commission he's being reappointed for his second term that term expires january two thousand and twenty also marvin martin to the planning commission for his second full term and that term expires in january two thousand and twenty as well and also we need to accept the resignation of edward kohout p from the historic district commission and the neighborhood improvement commission edward has served as the historic district commissions since tw and is a representative from the historic district commission on the neighborhood improvement commission so therefore it's recommended that council approve the reappointment of carl kuning and the neighborhood improvement commission days which is exciting we had the run of the mill this past weekend out at windmill island gardens we had over two hundred people participate in that which is over double of last year and it's getting to be a great event for people there still tabulating what the will island gardens and the windmill will gain from the investment of people but it was it was a wonderful time and it's not too expensive you have shirts and and people participate so it was a it was a great i also understand the b p w employees will be moving in soon to their new facility at the community energy park and right now it is all of it is being kind of tested in this interim period for a couple weeks and then they're going to turn things back on after that the end of april and go through a whole regimented series of tests and we're hoping that at the end of two of time about mid may the facility will be fully in line so that be exciting also i mean you may have heard in the news this week that while that hub declared us  the best place best small city to start a business which is very exciting our category was twenty five thought palace and to one hundred thousand and the city of holland was chosen nationally as the very best place to start a business some are very excited about that publicity and i believe also grand rapids was given second place in their category as a great place to start a business sell it is had around here for for the group might we have talked about this little bit before from a city perspective not necessarily of columbus day but recognition of the indians that lived in this area we are going to be making a trip to traverse city sometime in the summer we could find out a little bit more from them as well but if your group was interested in checking with the human relations commission if you had said project that you wanted to have some other people braced with you i'm sure that city would be more than willing to do something for your group from i won't make any big plans but i know the a lot of techie people that make make wonderful things and access to television et we talked about poverty level way and out of a county but nationwide only in west but in michigan as well so good luck with that project and if if we can help  you check with our human relations commission i'm sure that somebody would be excited about having you come and get for the road your ideas a little bit more to that group so thank you thanks for hanging in there too i saw the people going out the door any other council members well then i guess we handle their first readings of all the ordinances with our consent agenda and we're on to that last point call the german