for those in the public that are watching this we have a vacancy on the board and i would welcome anybody from the town of richmond which is to join us on the board it meets once a month for town manager now ok on the agenda this evening underground natural gas line service within the special flood hazard area for each church street owned by blake in worried about k in the high density residential district to power you install a new natural gas service to eighty church street the underground from town right away to the and is your anything special different or next to the agenda mark hughes and stephanie douglas use application to all this one five five additional use review per section six point eight zero bar ordinance which is the flood hazard overlay district yeah and the next issue on the agenda application on the agenda is chipping county fish and game club which is a continuation of a previous hearing application twelve desh zero two five motion to use of this up of the shooting range at an outdoor recreation facility located it thirty nine t seven west way build road this is been ongoing and we've been entertaining continuances while this the parties have attempted to mediate commander and my understanding is that they are still working on a mediation in that they have been actively trying to complete th we have looks like just to do a motion to continue signed by all parties dated october tenth two thousand and twelve and i would so he suggested making the window smaller and getting it off the roof itself because it would right down to the roof top and he said the the the flashing working for good so all this is work that's been done has been done because it was a good summer job done and you've replaced some windows with higher higher energy efficient wi it up on but the porch supports themselves you know they could use more that's for sure whatever put it all together back in the past really this doesn't make sense on line fifty seven of the first page where i stated that the final so the mission application must reflect the exact plan that will be install who we really want to see there is that the final subdivision application must reflect the plan for the system that will be installed ok yeah  yeah just referring to xenophobe seventy line seventeen on page three i think i swore then the second word changes we have some clarifications on that you had asked us to come back with information on and i'll just take them in order as we explained them to kathleen a lot twelve you know we had questions about how it would gain access and it would gain access through them through law thirteen at this point in time you know we're not proposing to develop the lock essential i think as a as explained last time if we go forward through the perm process that active fifty the it needs to be a separate law if that's all part of the law thirteen essentially would all be considered open space and we won't be able to go back in and then split that out so i need to be split out now we're certainly comfortable with the stipulation you know that makes it clear that in order to do anything on our twelve we need to come back and find out its board and address things well that kathleen is imo like a roach control for the portion that's that deep and certainly provide more information to just how we're going to begin to access the current road and driveway now has to be lots of proved when you include bad words lock and so obviously regulations only allow three to have that forethought will have to upgrade a portion of the existing road and we understand all that and having wishes where it's just important for us that we define a lot at this point in time before going any further with the state process approval and we are proposing that it be a private road you know there are some some conflicts with the public works projects i think they were they were last adopted or change i think in like one thousand nine hundred eighty eight or  hundred ninety so there you know going on twenty five years old and and more recently this like board adopted a supplement to the fact in the year two thousand that supplement says that it was eleventh of september two seventy six of the seventy one as a whole bunch of drawings but essentially you know a road easily surpasses that a seventy six standard so so we feel that you know that we are in compliance certainly with the supplement as approved board the standard doesn't require that the road be paid it does recommend that slopes over seventy percent do be paved in our case the first three hundred fifty feet or so which are greater than seven percent is going to be paved but each side which is your standard so it gives a toll gravel within thirty two feet so it's it's a pretty substantial road when you go in there is just only the first three hundred fifty or so or pate oh we a right to waive that stain and to allow more than a single driveway and that's what we're asking in this case it seems to make more sense for those to be standalone units if they each have a driveway it's not a deal with with some of the covenants i believe the lord has submitted some additional information trying to clarify that and and our understanding is that at least with his discussions i think with you david the easy and those are really the only items that we had from the minute stuff that you were looking for additional information from us was developed the town we did the town a sixty foot wide path through that to the land we talk about a lot twelve so they all right to m starting where he wants to build so there is three houses on that if you start from the call the sec walk through there's three houses on that road so i think you know if and when i ever build up their own mind or standing is from that called the sec past that first driveway would have to be approved and then there'd be after that there's three ounce again for number two there is some land on that seventeen acre i think it is and the new home there's some slopes on that land but there's also quite a bit of flat land any language in the covenants regarding the it's clear with the with the subject line coming out that each party will have their own line to some point where  so then the question is is the language clear enough yeah so this it's a lot easier to plummet if you just have a single pressure tank so you have one very high controlling the well if if you come from a well in with two lines and now you have to have a pressure tank in each one and they both are both controlling you know  seven we would expect a lot well would be would be part of the homeowners cover you know different lots have different responsibilities you know some lots obviously have a community septic system and they have to share costs most all a lot share in the cost of maintaining the storm water system you know a lot like twelve although it might not share any of those costs it might not contribute to the storm our system certainly is going to have its own well in its own septic system there may be some costs associated with the open space pot thirteen that that might be shared so i would expect mr fitzpatrick would make that part of the association although it may not do you know polls this is you know i think it's been my understanding that twelve wasn't any part of the association wasn't it was so long and you know again it's not fair to paul answer these questions because you know he this is his first time here i've always been briefed on you know that's a lawyer question and i didn't have my lawyer could come tonight but i know for sure a lot twelve is last one first which was actually not on the agenda this is four fifty four east main street bob marquis has been interested in purchasing that property it's again on east main it's  sir to the east of that it's a it's a small property it's point one four acres it's well below the minimum lot size for either the current byelaws which is a third of an acre minimum lot size or the new byelaws which if they go into effect in november that in the village mix district that would be a quarter of an acre so it's well below those either of those standards and it's a mind that pretty much would qualify for a variance it's not you're not creating the hazard or the problem that you seek relief right and  that's been built in the ordinance for certain types of situations with the setback now do you think there is no just attacks on the once a zero on on one side it's it's either on the property line or it's a it's within a foot and i'm gauging now by the neighbor's fence in the  i'm i'm trying to get a feeling to see if this is workable because you know i'm not saying i'm not asking you to say you know what if i feel this is workable the town is workable on the  carefully today you know it's one thing to say ok take it down the foundation they're in redo it but when the foundation is not good you know  know that my daughter would like to stay in town you know she would like she grew up in this town she would like to be here you know the one i'm in the business of like you know to get something up put up  you know i'm not talking about flip so a kid that grew up here would like to live there you know so it's just that the structure that's there is a lot of conducive to put money into so she's she's a certified you over person so she's all want to have a little yoga studio you know which a little accessory structure in the back you could do something like that so i'm saying there's a lot of little things i think it's a could be a really meeting and we have forty five days to make a decision after that ok so technically it could be two that's three months it could be a couple of months because the way i read how variance happened is you have to make an application which somebody has come to you and say ok this is what i propose to do you know let's say the house was on let's say the house we're on the property line now you know maybe i said you could listen i can build the house and never end up so that we gain a foot off the property line best i can do the house might be different when i finally do it but i want to be able to get some type of a guarantee that yes it is do all right so continue not to roll the second item relates to eat rogers lane which is owned by jeffrey hutchens and  the last time there was a decision that really quantified the use of the parcel was done by the planning commission in two thousand and one and in their sleep player prove all they said that the site is used solely for business and the question is whether he would have to get additional approval for this nursery business now when they first came to talk to me it was whether they think they wanted to do actually wholesale nursery business it was very clear that jeff would have to come to the peace with it but what if we just did a nursery business for our own installations would have to come back  review of the documents see it seems like in the new by laws for a nursery that require sight plan review in the current sewing by was a nursery is considered an agricultural use but in agricultural use in that zone industry requires conditionally use approval so i don't see how they can not come to the d that if you had a retail store and wanted to manufacture goods there that would be two different uses  was yeah yeah the definition of agriculture at least as i looked it up i think agricultural include so either one they have to come to still be ready for you and your commercial multi use is conditional yes i mean so why not just come conditional use to wrap everything up that you're doing over there under one pretty bow called commercial multiple multi use and you're going to go