satisfactory they're posted internally correct all positions obviously if they're if they're satisfactory they get posted internally if it's an sas factory writing i w get a coach who didn't want to come back and we could find anybody internally that he posted externally as well i are they done during the season a couple of times or only at the end of the season how do they have what we typically do is a formal evaluation to end of every season throughout the season when issues come up stuff will be documented  if it needs to be but feedback is given to coaches i talk to our head coaches probably weekly at minimum even in the off season just to give them feedback on what i'm hearing what's out there what we can do better is it always what we can do better or are you giving positive feedback or doing what you feel is an exemplary i think i think we have overall we have very good coaches overall or it's more based off of character of what's good in the program what that person's character is there's obviously several parts of it but i can share that with you there's i don't know how given that were not directly related to policy violations and or corporate behavior  ok my question was just going back about the process of posting you're saying if it's satisfactory still posts internally and does the current coach also an application i cannot or and do you go and look at them if somebody is doing a satisfactory job what kind of things would you look at in that posting if  so that means that any teacher was also home which has a different set of procedures and some person who might be on the munity or a teacher at some other just to get the others mary and i know you're still on the first slide if i can say you say you have somebody who is not a professional ploy in a coaching position they get a satisfactory you post internally someone internally submits an application for that job now dr hardy it's sad that they would get first option on that  or how does that work what we've done in the past and this is basically since since my time here while an internal employee would get the posting first if it's if it's equal if you have kids of a caribbean they're both equal decision in the last three years of the contract their retirement and salary based on everything their income for the school district is based on their salary as a teacher plus that i any sport and the teacher as we talk about you know whether they're in their last three years or not so i you know i want to get as many you know positions as i can if they were  coaching a different sport but they really at one point in their life if they didn't have any experience coaching now particular sport would you be inclined to let that person coach if they don't there you know in the last three years or not if it's somebody that we don't think has the qualifications to handle that coaching position i think we will look at externally and when you go to fill that position do you look like for instance if that person never played say hey it's just basketball or tennis that person never played tennis or never coached tennis before do you take out into consideration or if they were a coach before you think it's just transferable to a particular sport there's a lot of things in coaching that are transferable probably minus a sports specific knowledge you know and we've had to put people positions where we need good people in positions where they don't have experience you know we had one this year were we we were we were stuck i mean august first and we're still looking for a coach for a full season we've put people in those positions and but how can you even get an outside employee if you never posted internally that's what i don't understand i don't understand if it's posted if it's what i don't understand in the procedure is if there is  getting here not so many years prior to getting your they did not post it internally it was your job was assumed your job the coaches believed it was their job until the district told them their own satisfactory or they resigned to get how the change why the change prior to me getting here i think prior to getting here there was a certain amount of inconsistency and so i think for me that's the and really when you say policy should be saying probably procedure because i it's correct that there is no policy that governs that just just to prevent that one pulled every school district in the other one hundred thirty three we got about forty responses back so i'm just basing you off of what other schools have had done some of this the say you know coach is still a value following each season they're giving a rating now they submit a letter that they'd like to continue the school board with a vote on that recommendation no it changes eliminated the internal posting for every position if it's a coaching positions open well we're ready but which means that our board will be picking and choosing yes you actually are if you open it up you are actually making a decision based on if you open it up yes so you are telling the call current coach would be the more to your contract currently ringgold trinity both use these for their football and basketball coaches still valley this school year they've done three year contract with every head coach that's brand new what you see a lot of the schools that have multi year contracts and because there are there are probably just a handful it's football basketball this is where they're steered now canceling their football season cause of early inappropriate activities by their their raising of their football team members against other team members you know i don't think that i for one don't want to let this get too far away and we don't understand what's going on so that's mainly my concern about multi year contract is like that in any of the scenarios that i just want to point out the board never loses  authority to dismiss a coach for behavior such as your your brain or one and number two it really in a sense is no different than the current process of saying yes every year to a coach that's in good standing because what members don't agree with grading gipper well see that's where and i'll just speak for myself that's why we have enough but it correct because at the end of the day if you have a process and a review process that is appropriate and this is guess i have to say up front i think multi year contract is is a really really slippery slope i guess i've been involved in peter's township either on the school board or attending school board meetings for many years and i can tell you without giving any details there have been multiple occasions and there have been albums issues surrounding coaching for whatever reason so i am highly disinclined to vote for a multi year contract it's simple believe it the way it is everybody has a one year contract then there is no expectation on the part of the coach that they're going to be there three years i think  coaches who are doing a good job are getting good feedback from students parents the athletic director they know they're getting it they're getting the review before they even get it i just think it's is interesting to talk about and i think it's a good idea that we have talked about it and maybe we can samantha you know make sure the procedures are really in place but i would not ever and i do want to comment similarly that i do while i agree with you that the multi year contracts give you this same ability to to change coaches i do think it actually gives the coach more legal standing you know you have to come up with a written document and you have to follow the written document i just think it gives a nd there are too many instances where i seen now where events have occurred forever reason whatever reason they don't get back  you know right away i just wouldn't you know i'm i'm not i don't see where it benefits the district so much to have the multi year contracts and i agree with sue that the last thing mr guy or probably wants to do is interview and change and bring somebody and new when he's already given a satisfactory rating the only thing i would like to change there seachange if it were possible was i don't understand if it's not required by the contract to post internally and they get a satisfactory rating i don't understand you know if it doesn't have to be posted maybe that would you know coaches maybe some extra sense you know that they were going to get hired but the thing is is you can get it you don't even want to say if you get satisfactory we're not going to replace you because what if there is the greatest coach in the world in a particular sport and he just gets leaves a particular school for some reason and you walk back home because you think even though you gave your coach a satisfactory he or she would do a better job and you know and i think it even though there is the risk to that time coach you know i think for the district you want to number one because there's a lot of things that are happening that i didn't think and i'm right on this that many of the board member magic know fully and that's important we disclose that and number two i just thought it was very important that we get the discussion on the table because i don't believe all sides have been given here because i'm not mistaken and i could be wrong i'm not going to be insulted here by yeah but i've coached high school athletics for a number of years and i currently volunteer and there's a huge difference between sitting at a table and talking about coaching and coaching and i'm just telling you right now it's one thing to talk about what you think we should do it's another thing how it affects players student athletes and coaches you coach in other areas and i'm just telling you right now i'm  concerned about our children and i don't believe some of the things that are going on right now are the most positive for the kids because they don't necessarily have a say in it i know they do you've got valuation from certain sports but it's a but again the positions are presented by the outlet record to the principal and the principal was the one who signs them send them to us is that correct yes that they just assume that that person person is going to what's going to do that with opposition and for us to get somebody what we have a real open position it takes us to internal postings to actually get people to realize exactly and that's that's why because we have the best coaches and apparently mr garside over here and to me privately it's hard to get people to even expressed interest in those positions so leads me to believe that for not getting enough interest to those positions we're missing  i've seen that issue start to happen more and more it's because when we have a legitimate open position it's hard to get people internally to get those positions and even when we close in externally it's just difficult because  to answer your question i don't know obviously i'll do whatever one of the board directs me to do in terms of coaching renewals but you know i think when you think to keep our coaches you know on a yearly basis when they you know this is happening we lose a lot of younger coaches to other schools because of the opportunities they have to to probably probably the internal posting would help me out because i think that earlier on we could post the jobs that we know are vacant that did we either have a resignation that's satisfactory whatever it may be but also we can post x terribly earlier as i don't think i mean i think the way we do it here is a little different than what other schools do not saying it's right or wrong or it's any different other schools basically there's there's no formal renewal process there just as the coach  retained by the school system raided which we could possibly do if it wouldn't be a violation of that collective bargaining agreement i guess you create a policy relative to this topic with that fact the contract in that it policy what it supersedes and if it doesn't supercede it where does it take precedent because we have so many different we have so many different layers there and let me just be very frank about this part of the country mr president even i talked about this with mr bell sick because i would like to see those separate because of this reason we talked about this already because you contract because when the teachers come in to go should all those things are part of the teacher contract they are soon under the teacher conference and i just think that it's it just makes for a problem because if there is a teacher conference then we're bound to those bag for the next policy meeting but there is a policy that p v s b a drops and it is one governs action curricular line governs interest scholastic sports and mr guy and i you know matt last week because we were talking about you know the need to get feedback from the participants the participants and you know the participants in the sports the parents because their communications issues you know parents have to get their kids different places you know we talked about quite possibly doing that so that the evaluation par becomes more meaningful because just like mr  said we don't know what is going on and we can't expect mr guy or to be at every practice and know what's going on also so that's something that would be discussed at the policy  meeting one other item that i would like to request mr guy or to do if possible is again just to spur people to get feedback back to you in a timely fashion with there ever be a way for you to create a document and posted on the athletic website that just says in the normal course you know these sports coaches are usually approved in the next month so that people would now you know tennis you know is coming up and you know whatever month it comes out if i have some piece back to to you i need to do it well before then so that you're aware if i have any positive or negative spike do you happen to have a scandal i'm guessing you have some internal schedule i don't know if it's you one presentation of the coaches for the entire year of the last fortnight of the school year granted i know how programs operate i know the football team starts early but what about that with that piece of fusible for you to say we submit coaching recommendations think you wouldn't have to be specific you're talking about communication sportsmanship and all of that you know facility you know whatever you do i would think it would be just one and if it is a survey monkey