four minutes to argue and one minute every bottle please be my father and mother were never married they said that there has to be a marriage was separation when i went to the park they told me explain to me i'm sorry i thought a marriage like that cannot be a separation or divorce i followed does not have a marriage license in europe the and and you could not appeal that decision if there we said you can share with us why that you cannot appeal that decision sure when i was over there they had abused me was that my parents were married parents were never married they said i need a legal decree from my father and mother everything was going to make a boy from my father mother everything is on documents my father signed every document that he had for me in the united states i mean europe for me my the show does not record i went down to the city clerk's office and watched rick i want to get the documents to show that my father and mother were not married i never had access to that the government clearly vetted my father for marriage like it would have found that  thank you thank you very much we hear your argument and you will preserve one minute of rebuttal we need to hear from the government now good morning your honor this is jennifer simon on behalf of the government may have please the court as you've heard appellant seeks to seek judicial review of a citizenship claim a claim that has already been rejected by an immigration judge and subsequently the board of immigration appeals and the district court accordingly correctly concluded that it lacked subject matter jurisdiction over this claim this is this is because there are only two ways in which an individual can seek judicial review of a citizenship claim neither of which are present here as noted  evidence regarding his citizenship claim that he should endeavor to find an immigration lawyer and approach go back to the immigration authorities to the federal government as opposed to in the court that that would be the way he would be to proceed yes there there is a mechanism and i can't speak to whether it would apply here but there is a mechanism to reopen proceedings ask have someone from the states you know all the rules and regulations and having a lawyer makes a big difference yes i understood your honor however mr de gea did have an attorney during his removal proceedings and t the decision from the specifically advised him that the appropriate avenue appeal would be directly to the appropriate court of appeal but if he does get access to either more documents or witnesses about his parents relationship and the things that the st lawyer was unaware of or he did not have access to that peak could go to an immigration clinic for example and get representation and go back to the a they would be in a better position or in a position to consider whether they could we adjudicate that whereas this court doesn't have the power to do that check rect yes that's correct the united states but that they were married in europe and i believe some of that evidence is actually in the record here the issue that the immigration judge focused on in its decision is that there was no evidence that the mother ever departed the united states and despite some documentation that mr de gea put in it apparently referenced other individuals and so the integration judge concluded that in fact not only had the mother not departed the united states even if she had there was no evidence that the parents were legally separated which the statute governing derivative citizenship at the time with quired so although mr judea focuses on the fact of his father's custody  the main issue considered by the immigration judge in its conclusion is that the mother in fact had not left and or there was no legal separation that was required and what does legal separation mean if the parents were not ever married i believe there under that circumstance i think the showing would need to be that the father was in sole custody which doesn't appear to have been an issue here in light of what appears to me to be the courts  immigration judges conclusion that the parents are in fact married but again this is you know again the appropriate forum to raise those issues was the immigration judge that looked fully at the record and and appealed up and then mr judy appealed it up to the board of very good i think for us sir if you would like i can address that do you care exception and that the the failure to state a claim that that would be helpful otherwise i can rest on our paper know you may you may start i hope you heard our discussion about the possibilities of going with an immigration lawyer back to the immigration authorities to the board of immigration of your immigration appeals to present any additional evidence or explanation that you have and i understand that this court is may not be empowered to take any action with regard to your citizenship claims right my documents are here only united states the documents from the communist country not being changed because we're not going to change the democratic there's no documents from the communist regime for a marriage license that they said they got married nothing  valid countries three hundred and thirty three times the country changing yugoslavia one time would change in operating and only through you can use documents from different countries to say that i have to go over there and get them when i came here they told me that there has idea i think your time is expired we will look at your papers carefully and we will consider your arguments and will render a decision thank you both for your arguments that concludes our calendar for arguments this