good what's new with jess oh lots of stuff lots of stuff always have dogs to adopt and always have problems to solve so that's what i'm here to talk about a little bit today good and we will do that  jessie is the founder of angels for animals and how many years have you been approximately twenty twenty years you know a lot of dogs have gone through jessie's front door and a lot have gone out gone out second thankfully part of the problem and the reason you receive these on want to dogs are dogs that have been given up or let go or abused or part of that is the fact that people get a thought in their head that they want an animal they want to dog or cat for that matter but you pretend you don't dogs and they don't make they don't analyze the living lifestyle their family size their financial ability their yard their house and they just go out almost almost on the spur of the moment basically say i want to dog that's a cute little dog take that yes it's that creates problems because the fit isn't there sometimes that's absolutely right and then we have problems as yes that they've become yours yes so what decisions and we do we make and think about when we're thinking about bringing home a dog the very first thing a family if it's a family or anyone should do if you want to particular kind of dog on the internet and research that dog the internet is full of information on each breed so you need to go in to the breed on the computer like if you like  doxy breed it'll tell you everything about that breed that you need to know you need to understand that you have to set up a criteria for you and your family or whoever is in your family unit what kind of dog we want big or little do we want male or female do they want long hair short hair do we want a non allergenic dog now non allergy dogs i have to tell you this there is that does not show one hundred percent every dog emits hair or fur so you're going to have a little bit of that but if you have allergies in the house you want to dog that is a low shed low dog and a lot of those would be the poodle the bashaw on those kind of dogs fufu does little foofoo dog but what comes with that is grooming it's a maintenance type of thing you must figure it this way you need a budget for that dog because you are going to have expenses for that dog if you buy a puppy you have to think about training classes people had food supplements for the dog what is your work schedule do you have time for this puppy or any dog you need to understand that if there is a wife or mother in the family that dog is going to be taken care of by that the male in the family it just happens that way whether you have kids or whatever the kids will do a certain amount that will do a certain amount but it's mom's primarily her job to take care of that animal and then you have to think about that the animal is a like a two or three year old child i don't see i have a little criteria myself i always tell people when they call me i don't like to adopt a families that have not had a previous dog experience with children under school age because at that point the kids understand what has to happen and they know they have to take care of the dog clean up the stuff in the yard feed the dog take it for a walk help train it or whatever traditionally people tend to bring home dogs at christmas time everybody because it's family and your family's getting used to the the animal or whatever so a holiday especially christmas people will call and say i want to gift for my child i say i'm sorry we don't do that be happy to talk with you later or if you tell me what you want now i can look for it later because you're going to have parties you're going to be doing different things with the church or when the school or whatever you don't have time for that dog so it's rather dog in the crate and that's it can't do that dog needs a certain amount of attention you have to think of the dog as another child because that it time it is stuck at two or three years old yes so and even if you take a rescue dog or an older dog it's the same thing that dog has to fit into your schedule into your lifestyle and especially with the rescue dog some of them do come with problems some of them come older and there are people that want an older dog which is fine but i don't lie to people i tell them everything i know about the dog and if there is a previous owner because i do get a lot of owner turn in this turn and for what reasons we can't keep it any longer we're moving one of the kids is allergic to whatever the list is long or we just don't want it growing up we rescue the docs and who might have been for years three years or four years old and the owners sold their house for moving apartment apartment and pets the pet was being put down right with a view she was being put to sleep they weren't even trying to find a home for the dog people don't understand there are alternatives to vat there are so many rescues now and there are small like me and we do take them and try to reach home and in fact my little poodle she was the very same thing you're talking about the owner was moving into a place where she couldn't take the dog but the problem was the dog was diabetic and the family who had faithfully promised her mom anything happens will take care of the dog didn't want the dog  so i ended up taking her and she died like six months later but she said to me before she died he said i'm so glad i found you so there's a lot of problems you got to solve the problems and i  probably spend more time on the phone to insulting with people if i charge a consultant fee i would be a millionaire you and me both yes and that they pay in the mi that's all good what type of dogs do you bring coming to you or any particular breed that you tend to not any particular breed bitesize i canot well with the exception of my american bulldog which i have and i'm searching for a home for her was about this big i don't take big dogs because i don't have a place to put them i have foster homes but they tend to take the smaller dogs and that's mostly what i deal with the smaller dogs but i try to network with other rescues that i know take bigger dogs and i refer these people to call these other people so that we can find a dog a home or if somebody calls me case in point i just had a dog that was going to be put down it was found on a road an older big old the vet says thirteen to fifteen years old forty nine pounds for a big old old guy i have a friend in the vela he called me but a month ago he says i'm looking for an older dog i want to give an older dog a home because i know they don't get them thank god he's a great guy he took the dog we had dental work done he didn't lose one tooth i couldn't believe it because his teeth were very impressed but he didn't lose one and he's gotten on a diet they cut his toenails and he said he's walking a lot better and he had little tumors between his toes and being that he was on an antibiotic before the surgery for a safe the vet said a lot of them disappeared but there were a couple big ones that i had to remove but he said the dog is feeling so much better now so there is hope well there's hope because of people like you just well and people like my friend yeah you are you have such a big heart and i know at the times you can be taken advantage of because of a big heart but you  really don't reject or refuse a dog coming into your place even though you may have twelve of the time very few very few it all goes on the circumstances and what the dog is if we can accommodate the situation how do you support angels for animals we sell enjoyed coupon book every year and this people are terrific they got it and that he is one great guy and we also collect aluminum cans pop beer cans and kept the cans are aluminum so if anybody wants to collect them get all your neighbors together when you have a party fill up the bags call me i come and pick them up so basically it's what we do but we do charge and before the know it also when we adopted out because we have vet bills to pay we fee very good dog food we do the omega three oils and you know because you and i talk so much we do a lot of supplements for the dog star and when you do those things you see improvement in them and i was alive and the code yes and even the demeanor yes and i'll tell you what has really worked for us is that oil revenue that we always talk about i've told so many people about that they have skin issues and hair issues and stuff and i've just sat down and talk to people and they say give me your name and number i want to call call you and talk to you later and that's what people tell me over the phone they get so much information off of me which basically i go to for you being the encyclopedia here and it works these things work but people have to believe in it just like everything else that we do you have to believe in what you do well you know that's just saying a word believe i believe it's not a religion so you don't really have to believe in it you have to get educated about it and that's what that's what i do that's what you do that and then you do it correct you know i heard somebody tell me one day i don't believe in or getting food and i thought i don't know that religion what religion is that of course they didn't appreciate that but the point i'm making  is that there are ways of accomplishing good health you just have to do it know about it right then do it try it the biggest thing i run up against and you know this because we've talked about this is the medical model is here it's in this little square there's so much more out there in the natural line or so much that is available now days that we didn't have years ago to help the animals to help the humans but you have to like you said you have to movie i ever saw you have to experience as i would you know if i like the movie or not until i went exactly so and it's kind of the same thing with supplements you take a supplement it might not work for you might not be the right one there might be something in there that's  blocking you or something in its effectiveness or you might not be taking the right amount but you'll never know unless you take it you have to try yeah you have to look at the big words three letter word you've got to try how many times have you had dogs that the veterinarians said well there's not much we can do you know we try to and by we tried steroids and then you go and you do a little routine from some things you buy off of a shelf in the stores like sunny bridge or wherever and you suddenly say well geez well i have a dog case in point she's an l n and i got her when she was a four month old puppy came out of an amish mill didn't have any strength and hind leg couldn't walk took her to the vet they said oh of cut the leg off you can find a three legged dog home i said think so walked out of there and of course i do have a partner an angel scrambles who is a car packed or and she said i don't think so either we're going to start toward just her so in the meantime i have another friend who's a vet and i took the dog to her for a second opinion she said showed me the x ray the leg was pulled out of the joint there isn't a reason to cut that leg off well lucy twelve she store up for lake michigan run with the best idea need a second or third opinion you know you just don't go with the first one if your gut tells you i don't like this opinion i need to have maybe more information and today that it's available to you go to another vet go to a friend and say what is your experience what do you what do you think i know several dogs out there that that are alive and well that were their owners were told well we should put the dog  exactly so but that's a whole nother show and you got it so just i want i want to rescue a dog i want to dog on a great dog home and i want to rescue dogs for for a number of reasons and what do i do i pick up the phone after nine o'clock in the evening and i call jesse you're not going to get me yeah i'm going to get you just as a nice recording please leave your name or number of his after nine o'clock don't call we don't say call me i well i have to get up so early in the morning i have to get ready for the job i have a regular job so i can't be on the phone all night which sometimes like so i appreciate that courtesy when people will say call me back or whatever you know after hour but lot of people now know that they don't call after nine o'clock but if you call mean you tell me basically what you want i can tell you what i have what's coming or i can keep you in mind of something else comes up but we have to go through a whole process i don't have an application on line i don't like that i want to talk to you because i hear you over the phone it's not words on a paper and then we discuss a lot of things in detail and it's your home your job just like we said previously and we see what will fit for you now rescue dogs like i said sometimes have problems and some things we have to work out so if i know what's wrong or what the problems are i tell you and i will tell you up front i will tell you everything i know about this dog and if it's in a previously owned dogs if we can talk to the previous owner they are more than willing to give us any information we need and if i take a dog on like that which i do have a poodle doodle right now in that circumstance i told the owner that she can approve or disapprove the people that i bring that it will make her feel that the dog has the right home and she's ok with that all recall even though i know you first dog that i rescued from you you came to  house to make some assessments and you still do this yes not all the time it all depends on the situation i do adopt out of state on special things but the deal is they have to come to me and i've had people come from  pretty far in advance overnight and taking the dog back but we keep in contact and you do get a two week trial period or more whatever you need i don't just strictly keep you to two weeks because we want the dog to work for you in your family right and you have taken dogs true and in the works but if it doesn't work i don't want to pen you in because i want my dog back to find it the right you want the right how you want to call it a loving home yes and you don't want other issues for the dog has exactly been through enough you've got  they're there to do so in that conversation they are your application you you you do cya have people sign papers there is a contracted you sign yes and that contract i know states at the end that at any point in time ever you're for britain to take the give away i would have to call me and i'd take the dog back yeah yeah you can adopt it out you can take it that you can't give it to the neighbor you need to call me and we go through the same process with the next looks at them there's also a clause in there that says if your neighbor calls me and says it's not taking care of that dog i have the legal right to come get that dog do you take in and find homes for there's no set pattern for that it all depends on what comes to me and i do work with several local breeders who retire their breeding stock early which really gives me a leg up on some of these  different dogs that i can really hone them and get them good homes and they're not in that to that puppy mill type of thing or the breeding type of thing where the breeders keep them the amish keep them for long long periods of time with by the time we get in their eight or nine years old and the dog's teeth are shot their health is not good because they don't take care of them some of the local breeders of learn to work with me and they give them to me at a younger age where i can give them decent homes but everybody spayed or neutered before they left and they get their shots before they leave and sometimes we have to do dentals on dogs and other things she knows so what's the average fee that that you call them or a tree can be between three and four hundred dollars but that includes all the vet work you don't have if you and i tell people this if you think that is exorbitant you call your vet and you say how much to spay this dog and give it the two shots that needs rabies are required by law and the d p h l is not required but normally they have to have that too and then an on anything else they'll call me back every time because just a spare neutered was going to be two to three hundred bucks so not in there again i'm feeding the dog good food i'm giving them the oil and they're being trained by the foster absolute yes can even a deaf dog can train yes so it's so the puppy mills out there you can have a relationship through people with some of these puppy mills through other people that they go into the mills and i t some of those too for people that don't know what a puppy mill is they're basically a dog manufacturing farm and they're really not regulated that strongly and they they  have often a lot of neglect and abuse and sometimes when they're found out they close down and they move to another location and pennsylvania and ohio and kentucky and indiana rural heavy puppy mill states and the amish are the worst offenders and they are ohio doesn't have many laws pennsylvania has more laws but do we enforce these laws always they have one with one regulator for the whole state not goods yeah so work and work yes overloaded and then not people can be in two places at one time so jesse has a relationship with with people that are familiar with this operation these operations that normally when they can't get rid of a dog or the dog is  the usefulness for breeding is ended they put the dogs down and and you intervene through other people i don't personally go when i'm there i'm right you have the contacts for you to contact and then you end up finding homes for for these animals case in point we just find a home for a yorkie this past summer and she had come out of one of these mills and we knew ridden don't really look at her really closely until the vet had heard to spay her and she called me and she said do you realize this dog has half of her lower jaw i said no i didn't realize that her tongue and i thought it was because she didn't have her teeth and she said half of that jaw and it was not a birth defect so what does that tell you dog got a very good home here in peter's township the lady just loves or you know but this is how some of them come you know no teeth  died within two months or six weeks something like that because we couldn't control the seizures was fired up into the anesthesia so there are a lot of risks with that right although now they say they have a different anesthesia for the older dogs and they don't put  under as well so there are things they can do but there again in dealing with the dogs with the mills the other problem is if you don't have them spayed or neutered by a fairly young time and people should know this they develop the females mammary tumors and guys testicle tumors so in order to prevent that that's why we spanier them along with the behavioral problems with you know the on the alter dogs but that's a very good thing and some people they just refuse to do that and these docs can die from these tumors because it's cancerous type two or you know do you see but a change in diminishing of abuse or neglect no you see the increase if people don't want something they're going through it on bottom line is just because there's so much education out there so many people are involved with their animals and you would think over time that would that all the many farm mentality treat them as cattle kind of added who would would go away but it doesn't know if we don't want something get rid of it bottom line just get rid of it so it's really difficult because it's hard to read home an older dog and it breaks they don't understand the dog is attached to the family and the dog goes into a depression also have a lot of that to you know where the dog will go into depression especially when i work for a short period of time at the local humane society i saw a lot of dogs going to the pression right away i mean especially labs you who was if you recall so badly abused him and his sister when he when you dropped them off or when i went got him i think carol had a i once got him and i brought him home that dog was it was absolutely crazy you couldn't touch him you want to pet him he ran he was afraid to do but his sister was being spayed and he'd always been with her and he didn't know what happened to her and then you dropped her off and the minute he saw her i saw a big change in the it took time to get a to get a real good change in him because he was so be right and abused but they have feelings just like we do wants and needs and desires as well and suddenly they might have only known that but suddenly that's changed and they have a whole new set of circumstances they have to figure out right and a lot of people don't understand that and they take him for a day or two and say i can't i can't deal with his dog right but it's not good big it would happen to you the same way change your environment drastically like that and you go to an area where you don't have any any friends or family and can speak the language and see what happens and we were talking about death and dying also and i've told people this so many times if you have a pet dies and you have other pets put the dog down put a blanket over everything but they had and let counterparts also if the owner dies let them smell the owner's body or i and i've even told people even if you have to go to the funeral home on and off are just take the dog and let them see the body and then it's