board denied denied that right application yes ok so we're being asked then to vote up or down on what's what's before us from the previous meeting  we had asked for for the number of bedrooms to be reduced and actually the footprint to be reduced as well to over hearing is no further reduction to a vote on what's what's before us yeah that's right emil the limitation of the do ok so so what's the board's going to take to have a bit of a down i think that's what we need to do so yeah everybody's prepared than perhaps somebody can make a motion hearing to close a public a while perhaps we should ask for any final comments from from the audience either for or against this project at twenty five twenty seven foot road if anybody would like to comment please approach the microphone and state your name the way you live can see is a family of a young couple with three children erica base eight six and a baby nathan is only about four months and right now they are cramped into the first floor they intend is to finish the second floor in march to space so the family can move up stairs and that's still holding tension so yes the board to consider their position and you know wish they could be thank you thank you everybody else discuss further or make a motion that we could we could vote yes september second is the most current so that when he does that would be the step that we would be voting because i think the way the porch that would anybody like to make a motion to to vote on the september second set that's before know opposed so so that's voted down voted not to approve the way it's set the way it's been submitted by jeffrey next item is fifteen dash away twenty six twenty eight that they have a new in design it's a play review special permit concession structure to family home existing hope to family to be demolished and the applicants have requested a  trying to make the changes at the bordley quested in terms of size and so forth and just unfortunately the architect couldn't get the plans done in time for that to occur they tried to hurried along and i caution them not to because you're going to have continuing making sure you cover thing as opposed to hurrying and missing something or something so with that said then if somebody would like my coaching to continue this to our next meeting which is opposed k so that's continue when we continue down to fifteen dash ten which is a similar situation one clarke lane design it's a plan review to construct a new single family home the applicant request to information to say that he had legal frontage if you were just going to go forward with the information he had one could argue that he doesn't have legal front it show the applicant needs more time to figure out  i didn't hear in terms of the applicant necessary reaching out to the neighbors i heard it more of a caution for applicants as a whole not to be doing this had to be asked for continuation so i know and you got in the middle unfortunately that severe meant that message just as i wasn't conveyed to the applicant i heard it as a caution to me to warn the applicants not to be doing it versus the applicant reaching out to the neighbors to be to tell them where the relatively unsympathetic to that particular anchor it's happened once because what's happening i said at the last time you were down when there's clear neighborhood opposition you simply wear down the neighborhood opposition they can't arrange to show up every night and the planning board should not encourage this in fact i believe we should actively discourage that the second is notice and i think that to the extent it can be if we can be proactive with out having to do mailings each time if we could find a way to be digitally proactive i think we should do it because i think depending on the applicant whose interests are not al you get the word out that's why does say no this application will be withdrawn or this operation will be continued to at least if someone does look at the danger to find out when the case if they're interested is on the agenda they can see that and either would you know they understand that that means it's going to be or the give a call that the offices say is it going to you know to confirm is it going to be because you haven't you haven't you haven't formally made the vote so it's hard for me to say it's going to with the same people they could but they're going to be in the same position because aboard the composition as of the board hasn't changed in the opinion of the board hasn't changed as early so well we know i would be  frontage and came back with the same plan i'm just concerned about the other part of your argument that that somebody uses that just to buy time and comes back with the same player again that is out there that's out the opposition but right now that we can only do is as good a job as we could do perhaps reaching out to town meeting members in that area and letting them try to get a hold of their constituents to try to let them know you know other than that age that we would do it or if if if neighbors come the first night and the case is continued and they wish to provide their emails maybe we could then use those email starting as a starting point and then they can get the word out i mean anything to help the process i think it is a good idea existing driveway crosses five forty nine to access five thirty one and i just want to say in conflict with the article that was in the paper this week this has not been approved it was it was reported that we had  lot and i guess the like a better word showing the modified lots and lots of names because because we had the up accountant submitted one at the end of the evening which was different than the one that had been submitted with the with the application so this is supposed to kind of synthesizer both of those drawings and jeffrey you said you took a look at you yeah we did we just received this late late that's where you guys can look at this electronically anyway but other than any shape changes that may have occurred the only thing that stands out to me is that what was lot d one is now lie d three yes and what was what a lot for me and that with the sort of show that you know development might be a little will be impeded certainly because of those few easements this also shows the utilities and the proposed driveway because aboard have any any questions or concerns about this so there were two with issues the board had if you want to speak to them first off the address numbering system or numbering quest  and so there's a form that fills out and part of what they will look at is the location of the drop of the front door and in the past that's been a problem because of the side entrance front doors now concerns in terms of a fire truck getting to the address getting to the house both houses for that matter so glenn has not yet done it but he will be reaching out to the police department and to the fire department in helping you know willing to maim here for ideas for example there's no driveway millington lane so you know that doesn't help a fire truck or anybody for that matter trying to access the property for probably for the purpose of the bottom line being plainly bo as dimensions haven't of the existing driveway haven't changed terms of getting more narrow then he's fine with the way the current layout is that there's no he does that just no issues for the for know i had shown him that and explain to him that this is an existing driveway it's come up because the existing driveway now crosses over a new lot that is separately own and that's why he said as long as the existing dimensions haven't changed then the fire department doesn't have any issues with this proposal if anything once they do the maintenance and repair to this road it's going to widen a bit i would imagine better for a fire truck  ok so that's the first on the second line is that the share driving doesn't allow for any future subdivision five thirty one and or five forty nine concord avenue or i mean in you know any adjacent lots and i made the distinction about build the lots because similar to this little triangle that occurred subdivision occurred  here those are not nothing i wasn't clear to say why that occurred but those kind of little things may need to be done in the near future and you don't want to see prevent that little subdivision from occurring it's really about the creation of build e lots in the future development of those lots but i understood the board to be concerned that the shared driveway and the curb cuts that are existing on the private way aren't going to be used for access to further subdivision of these large or any adjacent markets that's basically them and i think you say that in two and four each of these issues separately now that doesn't necessarily mean that's the way it needs to be but that's the way i was thinking about it that is to try to be as clear as possible what's different between two and three and two really is about the that the driveway can't be used for any sort of essence could become a road that allows for development on this these lots for any future a lot of future jason mark whereas three actually says no for the subdivision period of the lots so the distinction is about the road they may not that may not be necessary but again i was trying to be clear  y four and it is conceivable that the horizontal line here's my concern the the share driveway was emphatically not meant to allow some developments of land law lots that is not what it is meant to do and i can't imagine a tradeoff that would i mean that just that simply is not its purpose if one drew a horizontal line about half way across that lot you might have to build the bill lots i can't one would be landlocked  my concern is whether the language that we have here makes it really clear that this driveway can be used to create a bill the bill line here where there otherwise would not be a pure build of the line because you'd be landlocked and i do not read this partly because there's there's no labeling on the diagram of the other lots and other land i don't see this as making that barbara would take her including her a person who spends more time tracting than the rest of us combined then i'm fine with it but as i say this can't this shouldn't be back door some divisions well in to also be clear to that said something about not it's not meant for additional product development purposes but to provide access to the existing lots well but it was i'm sorry in and shall not being that it was used for any as a future driveway for any future development and for no other loss but something on that attach that as an exhibit with the phrase not to be accessed by driveway not to be accessed by driveway not to be accessed by driveway on other lots i don't i mean to say when you know this is a matter where i'm prepared to defer to others but i think we should we just be clear about that the economics of incentives here are very then five i was concerned that should indeed these street addresses change i wanted to clearly and it's true that these apply to you know i would say no matter it's already there already exist i can't remember if we talked about this before but since we're in i don't see an issue with this applicant at all but sort of if we want to maintain the stone wall and the existing idea i mean because i was swayed in part by the fact that we don't want to rip out these trees and we like that stone i like that stone wall coming down concord avenue and again it's the intent of the bible is to preserve any other any other questions or issues anybody here that would like to comment in favor of or against a shared driveway at five forty nine and five thirty one o'clock that when you know we have a have something from key frisell in the five conversations repeated are are good press unless there's no other comments or somebody would like to attempt that motion oh make the attempt i move that the board grant the request for a special permit for shared driveway which is case number fifteen zero nine five thirty one and five forty nine concord avenue subject to the conditions discussed tonight  trees and stone wall and the addition of i guess written confirmation from the fire chief concerning access by the fire department to five thirty one anybody comfortable second i was just going to say i based on that amendment i would make a second roberts rules you have to go to me about it first or as it is it's a friend just take a minute break here recent experience you're right you're right up there if you put together three neighborhoods that we have to look at and then discuss for our future potential projects correct so which would you like to start well  is the neighborhood that you had decided upon that previously and i just want to basically confirm that indeed for this particular address yes for that interest yes he's been what is the nature of the project just where he's basically ready to go before the board and so this is two this was done previously in anticipation of the filing of that application so this is with and at that time with the board had decided was named but i'm just this now as i said is a live apple is a live application coming avocate going to be coming up occasion and at the time this is what the board had decided so the question is is this what the board still street which is a fairly heavily traveled road in then grant in c street which provides access into the d p w yards single family and build a new single family two story structure so there is the three hundred foot radius the service will be like notice goes to those properties all and then thirteen and seven on hold the last one for the marines street now this is a property that separate from the rest radius right the next page is let me see on the left hand side the blue light blue thin box liz is looking for the left it's torn down what size could be done what could be done with it so i'm going to head in just for that i quickly through quickly did some that are research to come up with in then not including this commercial property on lexington the office building on chappelle oh that's what the x is there the apartment it's difficult to know what the lot size is and what that area is i don't know how to include that and then of course the and to pella road is the  former and was dying or sweet peach diner so those taxes were not be included in this neighborhood should you choose to go to the state the the the white piece that airing in again just we discussed with this applicant the potential future development i'm just curious which lot numbers that takes is at forty to fifty fifty to fifty fifty two or to two are and actually right it's very confusing this is his whole yeah area his whole holdings if you mean if you want i can send your plan around the whole holdings for that area beyond just this piece of it when we get into it i mean if it that's when it becomes before i'm just trying to let everybody so forty two does this these forty two is actually a single family or two if you make him aware that surely a single of his one of his iterations he was thinking of making it to record what he did when everything was going to be too but he may be going down a different path well neighborhood of all those people he bought that land which land from the railroad that's p fifteen and fifty one i would agree that try to do is to have a draft say before the end of october and then at what we try i think our goal is to have the right do a draft i'm sure ok so that's great thank you for the uptake potential projects for plenty boy did you know we discussed this at yesterday's meeting and this is a summary of what we talked about number one is wh we just discussed number two after bob are going to take a stab at clarifying the two family welling definition it has been some show some question about that over the years do you have a draft yet this was yesterday morning by the way so so that's going to be worked out hopefully that's great and then we're going to try to take on signs on fixed awnings and other sign related things that that we get into it will see to what what degree we get to that it over that we can present that these are things that we hope to present a town meeting so to again we have a criteria test to it and we realized that it didn't affect very many residents in town at the time it just wasn't something that was you know a big issue at the time affecting many residents and we decided that to get to that brought to our attention i understand the impact that this wall had on them and it really should be something that is regulated some degree it's just a matter of when we can wrap my hands around it unless somebody feels differently about it you know if we if we can fit it in i'm happy to take it out it's just it's we decided much of this was not a simple you know one of to your paragraph below that it was going to was going to take some doing you know if we can get let's see let's see how it goes like we really have a tight time schedule here because we have to already make up all i would like to do is i do you know being in being in the development business i do think that it could become an issue i think you know when that one instance it made a difference but i i don't i would say that i want to just politely disagree that that that's not the only circumstance that can happen and i think it could happen in several circumstances especially given the fact that we're going to be now looking  and looking a great rating when i was just going to present my head maybe that's a time we take a look at we we could all i want to do is i just want to make sure that it stays it stays somewhat on the same range there everything else is staying and we  retaining walls to do that i mean maybe something comes out of that even if it's something as simple as anything over x you know it's a special permit or some kind of review process if you can do something that simple but anyway but  a scheduling problem that has become fixed finally and that is that for the second tuesday of the month for the next seven months i have a conflict for the entire beating or  wouldn't get here before seven thirty or quarter i think i think i can i can do that the october one by cheating a little bit on both ends but i don't know we you had mentioned that our last meeting that you weren't sure when the call was and i didn't respond but yeah i was trying to go back yeah when you get to november and december anyway you may want to go to the first and third because to fourth tuesday is thanksgiving and christmas so you may want to during those two months make it the first and start you're not going to throw you off the board if that's right then the other thing is i suspect that in this is what happened the second half of last year was that the board sort of you know has to go well yeah i mean you see you fell out of because a necessity you fell out you just first or second third or second for the remember when you're well but we started doing first and third that week we ran into town meeting another little one condition and the head of they can get the name of the partment utah department anyway the head of the of another department would would work with th developer to put together a watering plan to keep the landscaping alive and that if anything died it would be replaced and it talked about trees shrubbery and plantings and since then apparently the number of shrubberies plantings have ever died some attempts i think were made to replace them this resident his is very frustrated because he doesn't think it's what was laid out in the conditions has been done and i told him that i would at least look into it because it was a planning board item and when i read the conditions you know it was interesting to me because it's very much like what we've been doing recently we've done it with underwood pool we did it with hamilton and merrill and pretty much every one of them has a landscape component to it and there needs to be a process of of process and enforcement so that what we put in writing is it here too or we have no teeth and it doesn't make any sense to make these decisions if it's just going to be ignored so i put an e mail together today to up to glen clancy to see baghdadi who's our board liaison departments in town i don't know if it's a new person that would headed up but it talks about two different apartments or they are designees and it doesn't look like it's being done in a pointing fingers i just want a process that we can that we know that will be in force so that when we make a decision you know we know we're making a decision that's going to be backed up and i think it's important to the residents of town as well so i will keep you informed when i get any answer back from that but anyway just w  think what they proposed actually has some significant advantages to to the alternative of the for people who weren't there the town applied for  variance with the architectural access board and they the variance was denied and so their proposal is not put in a cross walk at the south end of the pool development and cross over to the other side of cottage street so that we leave the trees alone and we don't try to grade because if we had to do switchbacks we'd cut in to significantly reduce the size of the playground south of the pool and i thought it was a good solution and that with that that everybody on the board would support it i think and then the elimination of the lilies of the valley right in the bed which we'll agreed wasn't as a big deal but for those at home listening it was it was a walk from the upper playground down to the pool that was meant to go basically come down the hill but the slope is too severe and they look for a variance to allow more slope than would normally be allowed and as carl said with unless you went back and forth across this hill to achieve that slope you couldn't achieve it so they denied it and sized trees planted along conquered avenue that are already looking well i think and i think i think the committee has done a great job of supervising the construction on behalf of the town  when the old equipment was there in various places at various times and then they did it again with the new equipment and the decibel levels are actually lower than they were with the original equipment which is great no neighbors have complained of any noise that was a concern so they did what they what we asked them to do in the conditions and we voted to approve that the only missing piece was to approve their final landscaping design that it was done there when there was a thought that they may have to put off the plantings to later in the year they ended up more aggressively