we've tried before you know it always you know and then not only do we have that issue but we also have the solar rays that are going on all over the place on houses these big fields you know getting inspected that's all we want why can't we get them to the have to at least because they're all saying oh we're utilities it's going rate to the utility doesn't need to be inspected but what's going to happen when houses start burning down and people start dying then the everetts going to say why i'm asking the question now why aren't we trying to do something before it gets to forty percent of the reactors well i'm sure that george has the same answer that i do we don't know why it hasn't happened and i have suggested it and it has been basically i'm not deaf ears but you know it hasn't come up there only putting or not somebody else but you're talking about an electrical wiring in single family homes and in this in the solar field that are there you know there's i see it all the time because i used also like to know other than the homeowners are great but being done by people who aren't qualified to do it and what's going to happen is you know so now you've got right now on residential homes at six hundred volts d c is the most it can be so you've got people putting on six hundred volts worth of electricity on a house we're going to shut it off if something goes wrong because it's going to burn until some goes down but it's not getting inspected to make sure it's being done properly and then you get into the big solar fields where you know to do one thousand volt systems now that you know that are open basically anybody can walk up the street walk up to those fields you know something's going wrong thousand volt system is going to hurt this curve so i guess you know i know a few years back we got quite a ways with the licensing bill but then that's when solar was taken off and all the big players didn't last thing they want to do is hire electricians to install their solar for so they kind of put the  so this was a number of years ago there was a bill introduced dealing with if people do any wiring in their house they have to report it when they sell it so i mean i saw this bill come through and i thought well this is interesting why why is this and so i went and talked to the person who introduced it and he he apparently had introduced this different years as as many bills do i mean obviously and he said that his concern was that homeowners that do their own lawyer rain and you know do something wrong he said it's one thing for the responsibility for just for that person or for their family but when they sell the house that people should know that this has been done and i said oh ok well you don't have to have it inspected or anything he said that's a touchdown by town basis whether has to be inspected and i said so you know you think  will pass he said this is the third or fourth time he's introduced it and the objection is this vermont thing about i can do my own thing and he said that's what you come up against and this happens i should say a lot of things but it does happen on certain things where where that's the objection and what that objection does this keeps it from being taken up in committee or getting out of committee i think those kind of builds if they get to the full floor i think all the the you know the whole body would understand the importance of this getting it out of committee so that's not an excuse it's just you know sort of like and this is the kind of thing that you come up against so you'd like to see both concessions and requirement for being license state has everything in place to do it they have the instructors they have the infrastructure to do the inspections just make it and it would support itself you know with with fees and with inspection fees so it's not like you're going to be charging any more taxes ning in burlington expected signed off i just feel that you know it would be nice to get it before something really goes wrong so i reworded my own place back in the seventy's but  i'm a member of rav you know when they had the incentives and they had the rules that you were supposed to follow but people were in there was an inspection and it just makes it hard to compete if you know you're trying to do it right boss is doing it wrong not everybody certain people would be nice if somebody could maybe start the ball rolling so are there other parts of home inspection that are being done that you feel should be done that salt there's nothing licensing bill in my peer i spent like a week down there going over committees and stuff testifying but then you know that's not the same time because they tried to get solar involved in it and that's one the bigger solar players didn't want to have what happened to him down in massachusetts up here so late hired a lobbyist who came in and that's when they started bringing up all the handyman stuff and all that but i think it's something that cou ld hopefully be pursued again do you know that it's the potential is there for something to go wrong and it's just the more that it gets installed the sooner it's going to happen because like right now they just when the two thousand and fourteen call came out in the code it says that in two thousand and fourteen on any solar system installed on a building you have to have a rapid shutdown system which means it will shut off the d c power within ten feet of the panels on the roof and not for a fact a majority of the solar installers are putting those in because i'd like fifteen hundred to two thousand dollars to the cost of a system to put those pieces those pieces of equipment in so if if like when i in the number of times homeowners have actually asked me for a license you pull up to somebody else with a big truck that says electrical contractor they just naturally assume that you are in the states looking out for the good of the people so if you years you must be well or they'll build you know they can build one hundred single family homes as long as they're not connected together they don't have to get inspected so you said that the state has electrical inspectors which i'm sure they do but do they they must probably not but it would generate enough fines that you could hire would permit fees because you know just to like like in the city of burlington just to go to an outlet just to change into your playlet in house which you have to do in  burlington you know if you have a in a kitchen with somebody selling a home and they don't if you fison has to go in and put it out let the gentile in that kitchen have to get a permit from the city which is going to cost me sixty five dollars and the inspectors you know five minutes and you know for inspection you know so so the fine it would generate it would it would pay for itself you know it would be any added taxes or anything and they could put on more like to call inspectors right now what do the electrical inspectors do only answer find a violation that you that i did it with they were charging one hundred twenty five dollars so they're definitely going to make their money you know and then h r and every time they come back and re inspect it's a no one hundred twenty five dollars so obviously you make sure you do it right the first time so i mean i don't think it would be a tax burden on the taxpayers over mark to do it but getting it done down there in a big city my billion might be harder to do well you know there are some people that would say there is a bird nun's of taxpayers because somebody pays one hundred twenty five dollars yes people are going to come to go does it right but you know and you charge the customer off about this you know we have a an obesity epidemic going on and somewhere in the very late ninety's and our children's diet single most the most number of calories anything in our kids diets in the late ninety's sugar sweetened beverages surpassed milk and now makes up probably thirty six percent or something of the kids calories come from sugar sweetened beverages and so so you know what what we what we've been working on because there's been a lot of medical literature the explains that sodas in particular a nice sugar sweeten beverage that doesn't come with anything else in it you metabolize a very quickly gives you very high insulin levels insulin makes you deposit fat and so that's the i mean that's the that's the pathway and now if you eat something that has fiber enough like fruit or even fat in it like a candy bar it's not this bad because that slows down the digestion so your blood sugar doesn't shoot up as fast  up as fast so it's pretty clear now that a very big part of the obesity epidemic has to do specifically with sugar sweetened drinks sweetened by the sugar from the sugar plant or  we got close last year we got to the us it was passed in the house health care committee last year as part of a health care bill because it really is a health care issue we fundamentally the health care committee said if we don't start doing stuff about population h control what we're spending we can't win this these this financial battle at all i mean we just you know the fastest growing part of our budget has been health care costs and the obesity epidemic is going to be way more expensive then even from cigarettes and tobacco because it's so much more widespread so the house health care committee passed it last year but in the ways and means committee it lost on a six to five  the sale of sugar drinks go down yeah is there any loss to the state furniture no no because we're not taxing those now so so on the but it's been done in some other places interestingly mexico did let's was that although it immediately to have a ten percent of media drop in the in the sale of sugar sweetened beverages and an increase in other beverages you know juice and milk that's sort of the ten percent increase a complete offset the merchants didn't lose anything but you know but it was a it was a tradeoff just a change of what people were drinking and for the long run that would be a very very good thing so so we'll see we i was then the parts of the tax bill which are really about revenue although you know we're going changes and all that sort of stuff and some work on current use and next week we'll start with the real tax bill so that's when we'll really  younger and you know the beverage companies are taking out full page ads against this scares the daylights out of which make should really believe it's going to work because it really scares them and so on the sort of like the flip side you know if you are not in favor of sugar sweetened beverage tax you're going to avoid george at all costs to the state house so what this happens to us you know all kinds of things right that's not unique so there are you know it's just like anything else there are two sides to this and then a big group in the middle you know and that's the way it is with most things you know there is this group that believe very strongly and there's a group that believes very negatively in it and then there's this big group in the middle and those are always the people that you need to be most concerned about because if you're if you're going to try and get something passed you might as well go after the largest population and also the population that really hasn't made up their mind my my feeling though this year is that the group that has been in favor of i growing so in other words this middle part is understanding the real reason for it and i've not sure that the message is any different this year it's just that there are people that are sort of catching on to the fact that yes the so to the sodas the sugar sweetened beverages really do represent something different than going and taking a snickers bar that has sugar and it and this this is one of the this was one of the arguments a lot of people use and there's a couple other arguments but it's sort of like this you know getting people to understand it on the side that people that are really against it i don't think they have been as voice stress this year they probably are just as much against it but but they're but i think that there's a couple other things is that the the grocers association well first off last year it was at the retail letter level wasn't helped same tax was the same one thinks the only difference between last year and this year was last year the bill said one cent brouse this year it says two cents so the advertisements that are happening now really are geared toward the toward the fact that it's going to hurt retailers and you must heard the radio ones the radio ones are the worst ones where there's they've got this group of six or eight mom and pop grocery stores i super mom and pop i don't know i don't recognize any of the names saying quote it's going to devastate my business is going to close me down it's going to whatever the three other things are about this and i don't know i think that's one of the things that  people when they hear that the legislatures that are undecided that's one of the things that get them there are tensions and they say is this true that you know this is sort of like over the top is this true and and that's when you when you get people's attention to to listen to why it's a good thing and the other piece of it is the objections are always you know there's we have eleven percent of people who live along the connecticut river valley in vermont and that and you know we have a huge b m economists who study and you know her poll this year not a single individual who wasn't already doing that going to do have to do their shopping so they would do that because of soda taxes you know it's but it's but it's pretty dollars a year of our tax money in medicaid in the medicaid program on obesity related illnesses forty seven million so what we do with that money when we get money that goes into this fund it  smashed by the federal government and then we used to fund our medicaid program was the medicaid program working i mean i'm on medicaid now i bought into cattle no beginning because i thought more people buy on the rich get from the federal government but you know ours is i don't know we get something in the mid fifty's fifty four cents or so for for every fifty cents we put up and so so  income end of the scale with getting fresh fruits and vegetables where they will be able to purchase two for one thing it provides for all farmers markets to accept the e p t cars the food stamp card it provides a revolving loan fund for small grocers to be able to put in better refrigeration so that they can carry more of the fresh fruits and sugar out of problem a diabetic numbers down but also started losing weight that's really the killer the weight loss and here's another thing ok i went out to fish i mean i couldn't do anything of recovering from surgery so i spent three days a i was on just buying any type of your shoe and our it came time i get two pairs a year switched around jump around different times based on the front of it now it's like two piers here are your summer one which is the same goals and you get a winner you know i'm a dead so they call the company in the company said you know we're going to we're thinking of trying a new program anyway if you would like for ten dollars you will provide them winter soles on because you want to see if this is working good feedback great you know and then denied it ok so i made it through last winter with a pair beaten to death because of the weather wearing these things they're not made for winter but that i warm is what i had right and then i got these  summer indoor type of shoe i get another pair for this one or i get them it's the same deal all over again they won't cover any type of an aggressive so no markups in the changed order ok fine i went down now i've got this sucker i'm going to see a specialist in march is probably going to need surgery and i know what this is in my knees because a part of toys has a torn meniscus and that's going to me and surgery now for ten bucks a stinking shoe no guarantee i wouldn't gone down but let me tell you when you try to regain your downs plastic soles on the lease there's a good chance you're not going to get your footing and so i got her so now here i am i'm in this thing and i likely going to have this thing alone probably i don't know what get what medicaid gets billed for this i don't see the bill all i see is a few favors zero you know and the other thing too is that you have some different gripe about the whole program is that i only see zero because you know what sometimes i'm told i need this and need that i pick it up and you know i really don't need it there is not one hour yet yeah but why the bill he says the company will doesn't want you to use it more than three months because then they see of liability if something were to go wrong and oh ok so you know but it doesn't make sense to me i'm like you know when i see they're starting to be a problem i think that's time to replace it doesn't have to be replaced three times a year four times a  them we share one which is cigarette taxes same kind of arguments that you know about the sugar sweetened beverage taxes and i've got to sugar sweetened beverage bills and my other big priority is something about adverse childhood experiences so ever childhood experiences the term used to describe a group of bad things that can happen to kids before the eighteen years old which it turns out have lifelong health effects so i'm back in talking hundreds of people and a coaster and says what that's what was going on and she says she breaks down and says i was sexually abused as a teenager and when i lost all that weight boss started hitting me and she says he says oh my god this is of the fence back in ism we never thought of the that way before so he goes to this national conference the national obesity conference and he's a freelance this of racially they then went ahead through the whole beastly clinic and and asked everybody about these various adverse experiences and find them more than half the people in the clinic have them he presents this is a national conference and in his words he basically is laughed off the stage and they say it's just people don't want to take responsibility for their own choices but at the dinner he happens to sit beside an epidemiologist from the c d c and the guy says to him  flaherty you know your dear dad would be a lot more interesting if you had thousands of people instead of hundreds and if you just took it on selected population rather than a specific group like your obesity clinic he thought about it kaiser is huge so they did so the combination the c d c and kaiser put together this study and in the beginning they did seventeen thousand people coming in for their first visit with others practitioner their first physical in the health care system and they they isolate these ten items so there's five kinds of family dysfunction two kinds of neglect and then three kinds of abuse so there's physical sexual emotional abuse and then five family dysfunctions domestic violence a family member with mental health issues a single parent family member incarcerated and a family member with addiction problems i'll call them drugs with addiction problems and what they figured out was what mattered was how many of these different categories you had and it was so powerful that if you had six of these categories your life expectancy was reduced twenty to twenty years and it it was there was the mental health stuff which everybody grass but the physical house stuff it was not i think she would expect but there are things she just that immediately immediately obvious as to why it would be things like the risk of fractures hate her in life and as i relate what happened when you were three years old you know those kind of things but it is saw this radiation with all sorts of diseases heart disease diabetes lung disease it is this just the more these categories you have the more of these things the more the more disease you have and that's a pretty darn powerful you know twenty year reduction in life expectancy is pretty that's a big deal and then they found that it correlated with a bunch of other things to job performance school performance chance of incarceration and they start calculating things called attributable risks so what's the what if if you look at people use i v drugs what how much of that can we attribute to these child adverse childhood experiences in the  that a seventy eight percent to seventy percent of drug abuse could be attributed these things fifty eight percent of suicides see around sixty percent of alcoholism i mean just unbelievable want you to know that you say ok so that was the last the problem what do you do with this information now so we had last year we had a bill last session we had a bill about this him and because  you know my thought is to try and cover a lot of bases and do something in the schools do something in the prisons do something in the health care system and  so some interesting things have happened since last year there's been a lot of a lot of interest within them the mental health community the state the state department of mental health and so what we're looking to do this year is first of all pick somebody out in the agency of human services and give them the title of director of trauma for the care you try to services and task them with looking across each area of the state and figure out what services are available and what we need because there are a group of well documented well proven interventions that work this turns out to be pretty much a multi generational thing because we parent like our parents parenthood nobody teaches you have to take a driving class to get a license to drive a car but nobody ever teaches you how to be a parent you know we have we have all these people come in for prenatal classes you know for something that's going to be twenty four hours of their life in their labor and delivery baby but don't teach them about the next you know however many years of parenting so so we want to i want to get in the obstetrics offices to get parenting classes i want to get the school nurses hooked up with the blueprint for health in the community health team and get the school nurses trained in a program that we have here in vermont called the remark family based approach university and get the so get the school nurses trained as family wellness coaches and get them connected to the community health teams that we have so that they can refer people who are are in trouble obviously is that obviously is that it is the problem and unlike some things we're not going to see a real real quick return on the dollar because of it's really going to take a full generation to get the  really see the fall for returns but you know my point is the longer we wait to start doing it the longer we're going to keep trying to war and the dog by the tail we can play all we want with how we pay dogs and hospitals but until we start addressing population health and reducing the need for services we can't win them so so yeah it is about prevention you're absolutely right and it just has to be a change in how we think about things in the state so we'll see we'll see how it goes this year so i have well i guess it all depends on how you count them but one of them as george mentioned that we both have worked hard to  get the ten tobacco tax raise because we both are really believed and we know that i mean the data shows that by raising tobacco tax at least a dollar a pa that it reduces smoking rates by a media play by six or seven percent if you reduce it any more or less than that as we did a few years ago and added a quarter one year and a quarter the next year it made absolutely no difference or something about this dollar so that is one phase of again preventive care directly to tobacco and my main concern is that are my main work on this is that if you can keep kids from starting to smoke you're way ahead of the game and they are way ahead of the game i have introduced legislation right along that that works to help prevent kids from ever starting to smoke for example this year  true four years ago was the first time i had ever heard of a decent girl and i you know i didn't even have to know what a nice cigarette was but since it had the word cigarette  i knew that we didn't want kids to start using these things for whatever reason that people you are going to use them and so i wanted i immediately went to our consul and i said how can we add this new the cigarette to any place that goes along with kids buying tobacco or using tobacco or something and so a new definition was created call tobacco substitutes where every time some new type of tobacco other than a cigarette or so gar pipe pipe tobacco which are the three items that are basically taxed in we add that to that definition and when you talk about tobacco products now in the law this is tobacco product or to battle substitutes so one area that i wasn't successful one hundred percent in getting this is dealing with our clean air where you can smoke you know we have some very very very good laws about a limiting where you can smoke and they were all created for different types of reasons because they were created at different times but what i want is where you can't smoke you can't use and it was last minute objections sometimes are more polar powerful the other things because they tend to bring the whole bill down or have to have that that's one of the case so i was willing to take it out and bring it up this year so i'm putting that in another part of it was that we have that there is a law that says tobacco products cannot be displayed where customers can pick them up so when you go into a store if you're going into jollies over here the the packs of cigarettes are up on the wall behind the counter if you go in the cosco they're in a screened in bin if you go to hanna ferd's there on the wall you know with a glass door in front of them so in other words you have to ask for the cigarettes and somebody goes in unlocks of door and gets them or reaches up behind the counter what they did with what what they've done with the cigarettes is the same thing they put him in these little containers but the containers are right on the counter and so i thought you know i'm not saying that you i shouldn't say if you've noticed i have noticed that when a cigarette first  popular jollies had one little container about this square on the corner become terror that had i know three or four different the cigarettes in it if you go over there tonight i would say that you will count seven different brands of them and they're all in the slot containers but they're just stacked up on the counter i want those taken off the counter where kids don't see them you know it's one thing to ask for but you know if if you're that master tobacco settlement i think is the term there and what this settlement came in with all the tobacco companies the money comes into the state and you know it's theirs to use vermont has not you have only used that money for some kind of health related activity a lot of it goes to medicaid there's a big portion of it that goes to helping people stop smoking now there is none of that money that goes to the transportation for fun or any other for it and are bought for modest one of the few states that that's that way but it is so thirty seven billion i think thirty seven million dollars we get a year out of other that agreement this little vermont and that is the the tobacco program has worked really well in two main things helping people stop smoking and helping kids not start smoking those are the major programs you know there's lots of t v commercials on about you know what happens when you i would hope so but that fact that it would reduce the people who are most price sensitive for teenagers that's who you get the best best reduction in when you raise the price and that's the most important and the reason that 's important is the other bill that we have been is to raise the smoking age to twenty one because kids the younger you are the more easily you get addicted to nicotine the younger you are the less it takes to get  addicted so so the real key going to change sixty year olds who are smoking until they have a real serious health crisis but you know keep the kids from starting i mean because you know we go back to what we're spending on know long issues and breathing issues in the center that get up and give a testimony no it's not the programs are run that way that the programs are more run with with getting students who are interested in not having students smoke still doing programs in the school so it is organizing activities for a group of kids who will go out and help other kids yeah and that in some assumption those kids that you're organizing to become involved are considered nerds and they're not they have little or no influence  i talked to answer i was thirteen i had to carry her from bed to the toilet and cleaned her up bring her back to bed and that had a heck of a lot big enough influence on me and and my entire family passed away and my influences on my my younger siblings and none of us i was seven small because the old you see older kids because of my sister i had gone through trying to take care of my mother and we saw the reality of it and  was in the one nine hundred sixty s you know but what i have influence on and some of these you know my children guys in school no none whatsoever would have any and for i didn't have any influence even though i did you know my family is recognized by the president for working for the cancer society having a benefit rate here in vermont as kids charity fair in essex and but that influence or certain group of kids are influenced with that but you can bet if they saw like these ads that are coming out now there but he said oh it's too shocking it's too hard on these kids you know having this woman who can talk about you know what she's missing out with the green children that does have an impact it's the reality of it and that's the kind of program i think the state ought to have as well they've got to have a presentation program that goes out and lets these kids know what to father here the son committed suicide in essex because of evil bullying over the internet and you know he got his program going to schools and those kids seeing the reality of a father standing up and standing real tears about his son as more of an impact then having a group of kids say you know or we're  all part of this so you know suicide type thing and i think the reality is everybody to some to these kids are going to have that kind of influence because their sibling i mean your own you know same age type of influence or whatever doesn't work that way necessarily so i don't think it's you know you don't want the kids to smoke cigarettes and you're trying to get him to do that but then the state's trying to legalize marijuana and it just have said they're not taking it up the sugar we're just out of curiosity so we sent a group of people out to wherever oh please tell me we did pay for that trip i would guess that we probably did yes we did but i don't know that for sure rocks you know renewable energy credits it is a very interesting world to me because you know the fact that somebody would pay you know six dollars a kilowatt hour for so that they didn't have to do renewable energy you know it doesn't change the fact that we've got a window up here making energy for me and so it's you know it's it's a whole different world but yeah i mean it's a curious world that that actually has benefited us as terms of a great payer substantially from the fact that people willing to pay for it for that i mean it has benefited us to to do some you know move forward with renewable energy in a way that we would not otherwise be able to do that so we put that program in apparently before other states have renewable energy standards and now other states have renewable energy portfolios and then now this question comes up well can green mountain power really say that they are using renewable energy when they're selling these rocks know it's not it's not i mean we're still buying our power from remember wherever they're getting their power from wherever i mean it's really just another way for the big investors to make money yes i mean bottom line  landscape so people can sell their credits downstate that's not really helping us he said well i think if the question is do you generate up power by an oil plant  yes so there is a bill you could read at this age forty eight that we started to hear a little bit about i thought i was going to hear more about today but i didn't and so it's kind of to replace this old program that we had before other folks had anything and be more in line with what other states do but then they go further and then do it in sort of three three tiers and i know you know i just can't do justice to it to really explain it yet because i don't it's a new world to me that i don't get quite enough of yet i don't know if you may have a better idea about it but it's sort of in three phases and the third phase is what you were talking about where it would put the ones from ohio and stuff i mean they were dumped and there's going to a lot of cleanup and i mean i'm actually quite amazed when you get up in the mountains and stuff it was a time to be hunting and i get up on top of the mountain i was everything i could do get enough oxygen  where in the middle of nowhere we think you're no me and said well that's because they have gotten technology that cleans that's clearing up that they haven't i mean they haven't changed the way they're producing the electricity they don't know but i'm just saying emissions instead of doing mcauliffe and basically what it was that i had joint legal custody of my ex wife she took my children to new hampshire and wanted to come here hunting with me and i'm a resident of vermont and i had to buy that out of state census you know i was like what are you you know are you kidding me now his answer to me over there was well we'll look into it or address it but the meantime just wine and state licenses and i said no no no no no no you don't understand because first thing tomorrow morning i see jim first thing in the morning we carpool to montpelier together now i don't know he and and to he did talk to me you know he did know that you had contacted him and then he let me know that and he said that you know disability license to go park in a field somewhere or remain a carcass my feet i can't go into the cold and i've got to stay in a warm climate so if it's a permanent disability i say wall we don't know if it's a permanent disability but my prayer at this point is no it's not a permanent disability but but there years ago i can remember somebody had a heart attack act like in that in the sixty's they were able to do that you know and then when they got better they got out of the woods a couple years later or whatever but in the meantime there obviously doctor has to sign off on it and boy it was quite obvious i was in there you're walking in the woods and it was quite obvious that you know i mean some record go meet with somebody and they would know that there's no way i was going to do it  and use of this it and then as i remember that bill did not go anyplace last year it did get quite a bit of hearing but it never came to the floor and i do not remember i have not seen a thing about it this year remember at the bills are introduced for a two year period the bayani up and so last spring when we adjourn all the bills vanish right and you know we start over and  o you know as the bills are introduced you know we look at them for what they do and interest and now i look at it you know so i do not remember anything about that but again i will ask asked joe i'm almost positive nothing has come up this year i'm not sure i can give my respects we've seen the issue i can't remember whether we saw it again because i remember you mentioning this to me before so that that's the kind of thing that same thing to get a disability get your to have the opportunity and even if it's a temporary disability should have to be a permanent disability to get across well arsons i mean you know you get it for that one year at least the people spending the money on a license give a certain amount of time you had to apply here and i apply here nothing nothing nothing and then i go down two days before the expiration point to remount ourself and said you know what's the story on this on the n c and they said well let's let's check into it power had been disconnected go i was in the hospital literally and i asked why i'm surgery and in despair i asked him to give me two weeks and i came back to find the power of everything in your fridge rater spoiled everything in the freezer spoiled you know  so i said farnie i've noticed now that i return home and it's been like two three years later and also there's new meters on the house where the new readers come from oh we install gmail power we install them because we're now doing remote readings if i'm not an active account what are you doing on my property put and the idea was i said somebody buys a brand new snow machine there regularly been paying their electricity but they're falling behind you're going to give a man the city and wipe their sleep clean so they can make a painter snow machine you know and i'm in the hospital i get disconnected and i'm trying to get power back on and i'm going through this winter with no power i've got no power and little camper i've got no real need to finally put a wood stove in the can for has it's a toss up as to whether i'm going to burn to death in the you know obviously i don't know anything about that i do know who to ask though this is one of the thing that's really sad is when i hear that i know who to contact in fact i just talked to him this afternoon in the hallway so he is in the state house disability so i will contact green mountain power about the embassy program yeah and it's over with and that's forming i mean i'm not looking we need to get your account got straightened out that's all right yeah ok so that is one of the one of the things i learned when i keep became a legislator it's when you call up and you refer to yourself as representative frank you get answers quicker than if you just call ups all right so that's why i'm always willing to call off the highway department because my grandfather's dis yet starting to emerge you know the other is really pretty mature data and this is just starting to emerge that you know the the insulin effects of of the dietary stuff and you know i think down the line i think that that might very well be right it's not a fight that i want to try to have on scientific sound ground right yet some tough of a battle  chairs back but i don't know where they started