a meeting of the infrastructure environmental management committee please come to order it is july twentieth twenty fifteen and it's one thirty five in the afternoon members and gallery if anyone is there please silence cell phones or any noise making devices and with us here to day remember bob carol good afternoon and member good analyst shorter malina committee secretary arena yap and let's check in with their district offices in a few minutes here but let me open up part open up for testimony three  waiting to thank you ladies for being there so members it seems i have no one in the gallery also to testify so well that i shall close public testimony with no objections no no no actual thank you very much so ordered at this time we have four items on our agenda and the first is i am for three outdoor lighting standards thirty six accepting sewer line easement from alexander  e m thirty nine accepting sewer line easement and sewer system improvements within care colony large loss of division number two here in a while so first let's go straight into i e m three and this is county communication fifteen dash eighteen members from director of public works transmitted a proposed bill intitled a bill for an ordinance amending chapter twenty point three five maui county code relating to outdoor lighting standards and the purpose of this proposed bill is extend by three years the deadline for outdoor lighting fixtures legally installed before the of chapter two zero point three five to six shielding the county code to comply with shielded requirements and usage restrictions and to set requirements and usage restrictions for of their unspecified lamp types for class for outdoor lighting fixtures and that this time we may pass this proposed bill with or without revisions and also consider filing so at this time i shall turn the floor over to director director good for some opening comments allows or is currently allows just high pressure and low pressure sodium and then we also want to mend a portion of the existing warrants relating to light shielding as most of that work has already been accomplished in the streamlining program only currently allows high pressure or low pressure sodium lights also known as h p s or l p s or current street lighting standards which are rules only allow h p s or quote other fixtures approved by the director therefore since the ordinance allows only h p s or l p s and our rules allow h p s that's what we've used for you today seeks to add the word other to the allowable lighting types lighting applications similar to the three other categories in the ordinance which are commercial parking or decorative lighting currently we pay for four thousand six hundred  readers the others are not all the street lights are owned by my electric and we currently pay my electric a monthly charge of thirteen dollars per streetlight plus payment of energy use which is about thirty three cents per kilowatt hour that's based on the twenty thirteen tariffs established by the public utilities commission the hundred meter lights we would pay the meter charge whatever it is at the time so for physically or two twenty fifteen which closed on june thirtieth we spent about two million one hundred ninety four thousand dollars or about four hundred fifty nine dollars per streetlight for the fiscal year for  existing lights if you look up the most street lights and now you'll see this cone around around the fixture which helps to direct the lighting downward primarily where doesn't it helps to stop light from going irrelevant the ordinance the current organism and then went on to say that all the lights within ten years should be shielded we should be twenty seventeen i don't have exact count how many are being shielded i think it's close to ninety percent we would look to delay that to january first two thousand and twenty because some of the lights are more problematic to shield like the french street lights and also if we do change other technologies it would make sense to go spend a bunch of money shielding them as you all know there's a lot of new technologies in the marketplace that have been deployed throughout the country think a lower cost give us more reliable light output direct lighting in a more controlled man different lights of different strengths like type and terms of color and had a variety of the community come come take a look and in general folks like the brighter whiter in cars easier and since i think we've taken them all back down except for maybe one or two so they were waiting for a manufacturer to do something the second to fifty percent of the light level somewhere between four and five hours after sunset so that would be about midnight they would actually dim to fifty percent providing further savings and since it's the type of technology that can be done it sounded interesting and that's what we that's what we tried so we're just getting the data back on that just see how p v only would work ok we have one of the more wetter area like my quad one in central and since we had a decent enough wet winter because she was see the data came out on that so the other big question is how much would we save and for that i honestly don't have good estimates as it would put out for a bit an r f p for their fifty two thousand lights and they're estimating a savings of about three million dollars i don't think they've entered into a contract so i don't know yet what the numbers  be for them but since we have all five thousand lights our savings using that example to be about three hundred thousand dollars per year i think is a conservative number it's hard to say at this point  it again it depends on a lot of different variables but there's communities are doing this throughout the country and i doubt they'd be doing it if they saw an increase in costs but any in any case we can even contemplate trying to require sending it to a public works commission since it be changing a standard which is something that they look at so there be further public review in the rulemaking process as we move forward chair that  concludes my opening statement thank you director good and members at this point the floor is open for questions or comments for director and thank you mr cox for being here as a non body member you must have is that the electricity use meter metering or what it would is being metered on them those are the majority of our lights the four thousand six hundred plus are not hooked up to electric beer so he said they simply count them they charge us thirteen dollars per month per fixture and energy charge thirty two cents in the energy charges then based on number of hours per year based on you know when the sun sets and comes back up again and they be odd so you know if the lights burned out we're still paying for it oh ok and so if we were to change them to be they still would charge just the amount or would we be able to negotiate a lower rate that's want to actually the bigger to do and this would be then to negotiate a new a new rate and a monthly service fee depend a lot on you know proven reliabilities of the ladies any and if there's any kind of ownership schemes if you will say there's a third party provider that's not now electric if that's a possibility so there's a number of things  to go so we don't even have to do any electrical charge from my electric potentially because ultimately it would be essentially all the two million dollars would go away if they if they were replaced with  right but the only question if it can you put those lights on the existing poles right and so that i don't know the answer to that yet or how that would be dod and the cost to retrofit so might be some upfront c you have to front load but if you save two million dollars a year might be yeah the question is who pays for if we pay for it we're probably save two million if we do a third party that they would do if they want to get their investment back at a reasonable rate and along with the tax credits and so more than likely they would then bill us for some number of years some thick straight so or two million would go down to a level i don't know yeah ok and lastly i know we had a big demonstration in here in two thousand and eleven about the color of the lights because of all the different concerns turtles birds astronomy have we worked out the right color of  lights or are we just going with a waiter like we haven't figured out exactly a type of light but for the most part almost all the manufacturers are manufacturing white lights guess there could be in general the l e d lighting is very direct you can direct it pretty much how you want you want it and at the edge of the sidewalk it and at the edge of the sidewalk and not going to private property and that's a huge difference in our current h few things certainly with the ninety percent of those shielding that we've already done first street lights come out and be a light that goes in the atmosphere must be must be the last you know the community has grown but the  have we haven't been provided with any data like any before and after conditions also there was a study done in italy a few years ago where they looked at that effect of changing to l e d s which i think i measure most of europe  done and the concern was reflected light since it does downward direct so nicely what kind of reflection do you get from roads or sidewalks and they found  they didn't find anything to suggest that the ambient atmospheric conditions were negatively affected including in winter was snow conditions which you don't have so that that seemed to indicate that reflection was a non issue so doesn't mean there and there could be any issues in any those areas we're not finding anything seen on director think you and thank you mr cox for bringing up those questions because those were basically along the lines of all the discussions we had previously at or other meetings in regards to the you know the color the effects to marine life you know wildlife and of course the astronomers so they see doable solutions you know with this and basically if you look at the chart members in all the different classes one two and three they have that list of theirs and so we're trying to just add be consistent with the other classes in four to say others and thereby allow director and department to you know move forward with  the latest greatest took a ology that i think we sure can benefit by you know economically and otherwise so if there's no further discussion then i shall take my recommendation recommendation thank you chair all recommend entertain a motion to recommend passage on first reading of the proposed bill intitled a bill for an ordinance amending chapter twenty point three five mile county code relating to outdoor lighting standards and also incorporating any nonsense of substandard revisions and filing of county communication fifteen dash eighteen so moved it's been moved by member way in seconded by at this point i believe we are waiting for director is director you know zero areas we environmentalists management on their way down to the floor right now because the next item is i e m thirty six and director of environmental management transmitting propose a resolution entitled accepting granted visas meant for sewer line purposes for the way local call louis force main replacement project pursuant to section three point four four five maui county code and the purpose of this oppose resolution is to accept the sewer line easement twelve twenty six thousand thirty one feet square feet from alexander baldwin l l c affecting amala place and a whole bro do get quite a bit of these and they seem to be more housekeeping than anything never stuff we need to do so if there isn't any discussion then i shall make my recommendation recommendation thank you very much members so moving on then to i am for thirty eight which is also with environmental management this here is  accept county communication fifteen dash one nine four also from director of our mental management which transmits a proposed resolution entitled accepting a grant of easement for sewer line purposes and sewer system improvements for the phase six of division pursuant to section three point four four point zero one five maui county code and the purpose of this proposed resolution is to accept a sewer line easement easement ass dash three which to the department for any comments sewer system improvements for the maui learning phase six subdivision pursuant to section three point four four point zero one five maui county code incorporating any non substantive revisions and filing of county communication fifteen desha one nine four six thank you it's been moved by chairman chairman white and second then by ms currie velo members any need for further much members and department last but not least we have another item from your department and this is i thirty nine and this is county communication fifteen dash one thousand five also from director of environmental management and it's a proposed resolution entitled accept dean dedication of sewer line minutes sewer system improvements pursuant to section three point four four point zero one five maui county code and the purpose of this proposed resolution is to accept a sewer line easement easement c which is fifteen thousand five hundred twenty five square feet and an existing eight inch sewer line and related appurtenances from our c f c l l c affecting portions of t m and we may recommend adoption with or without revision and consider filing of this company communication and with that  are struggling at this microphone the story line in the news through of currently a vacant lot that ultimately will turn over be turned over to the county as a park during the construction of the sewer line we were not contacted and so we did not inspect the construction of the sewer line we didn't have it inspected prior to submitting this recommendation for acceptance but we were not involved with the construction therefore that's why we asked for an additional warranty of the sewer line just to make sure that about this acceptance so mr remoter you mentioned about a warranty which is somewhat different from the others and is it because like you said you did not have oversight yes on the sort of build up of this yes and so this is a one year warranty what was the stipulation on the warranty typically it's a one year warranty just allow if there's any settlement in the law and that may cause the joints to come apart at least we should be able to see it within that timeframe ok and then that would be up to them to fix and bring it up to standard yes ok and that's sufficient time then you you feel that to figure out if there are any you know kinks to work out here it will happen within that year yes the videotape that was taken of the inside of the pipeline shows that it is meets our standards very good members in the need for further discussion well kay then i shall make my recommendation rumination q i'll entertain a motion to recommend adoption of this proposed resolution entitled accepting dedication of sewer line easement and sewer system improvements pursuant to section three point four four point zero one five mile the county code and incorporating any non substantial ridges and filing of county communication fifteen dash nine one nine five seen no one oppose measure does pass with five eyes zero no as to our excuse and members i believe we have risen through the agenda for today thank you very much for your