evening and welcome to channel seven teens democratic primary for us congressman very proud proud to have these gentlemen with us my name is howard wooden let me introduce the folks that we have with us we have dan and question waiting very good well i want to thank channel seventeen i thank you howard i thank both of you gentlemen for joining me here tonight i have to say that both of you are good men and that this is going to be a good discussion and politics doesn't have to be  civil having said that i'm i'm here to honor peter diamond stone who gave his life to vermont politics and never asked anything in return i'm here to honor my grandmother in a bar lorenzo who is blacklisted as a communist when she  was working she ran the post office in in ma bro and just to let you know we're riding on the backs of a lot of people but this is a very important time in electoral politics and i'm delighted to be part of the conversation so thank you here i am no thank you and you left out your dad who served with margaret in the vermont general assembly yes you know this is an incredibly important election for this country we have the worst president in the white house in my lifetime and what he's doing is not just really bad policies he's attacking the guardrails of democracy he's attacking the freedom of the press he's attacking the rule of law he's attacking our institutions and this is going to be an opportunity that the constitution gave the american people to send a message for a mid course correction there is an opportunity to have a new majority in congress to go from the paul ryan led republicans to democratic leadership that is going to be a check and balance and donald trump and this is a very important election and i hope to be part of that new congress that's going to stand up to this president then thank you good evening everybody channel seventeen howard and gentlemen thank you for participating i really appreciate it so the reason i am running is very simple what i'm trying to do is to return integrity and honor into politics so that we can make better more objective less biased decisions on behalf of the people rather than corporations and as a consequence one hopefully we can regain the trust of the electorate and start winning contests throughout the country much more regularly than we do now and secondly so we can actually effectively address core issues like wealth inequality health care disparities and climate change and i really appreciated here being here to talk and have a conversation about this topic thank you john and believe it or not we have a caller already on the line but for those who are watching our number if you want to call in  number is eight six two three nine six six and we have a call already let's find out caller are you there or i dare please just tell us where you're from and let us know your question going from  opportunity to discuss that we shouldn't be homogeneous democrats and republicans and we should be americans i completely supported everything that obama did as a generalization in terms of policy advocacies what happened is that in the middle of the  i was taking care of casualties at walter reed and i was seeing the horrific violence and trauma to american troops in the middle of the surge and i think at the time m sort of questioned the effectiveness of the surge and i thought that that embolden the enemy and i thought that as a consequence more american troops were going to die whether we agree with the war in the first place that was a totally separate issue and as a consequence i voted for mccain in retrospect i think it's a bigger picture i probably would have not done that but the emotion of seeing our casualties bleeding and fighting for their lives every day was the reason that i made that vote well and it's something that i'm proud of because i know why i did it and we don't need to be consistent party hacks every time there's nothing wrong with being a american first but i think that's kind of the the the real gist of the question is what do we do when that we're kind of in conflict with our party  and we choose to go a different way it is has that ever happened peter for you well it has happened in fact when i was in congress and after tropical storm irene i was a delegation of one i was in the minority party and i wasn't on the relevant committee in the camp that we could get in vermont was one hundred million dollars and we needed a billion and there was a lot of politics going on big fights between pelosi and eric cantor and when pelosi wanted me to stand with the democrats i said look i know from my first and in fact i was successful because i had had strong relationships with my work with eric cantor and pediatric cancer research that he was very helpful in from out getting what we needed but you know dan i do have to ask  you and i mean that because the sacrifice they give but you know the job that i felt we have if you you're in congress or ben is our job is to make certain that whatever the policy is in this country we're asking our men and women to put their lives in harm's way because they'll show up especially for minors they show up we have to give them a policy that's worthy of their willingness to sacrifice and the war in iraq was the wrong decision and the wrong policy that was made by politicians big hawk was john mccain the war in afghanistan george bush big hawk john mccain so my problem with john mccain is i really disagree with  that one would do differently and i think that's a good thing and i think that's leadership then this whole conflict you know if you get caught with your own conviction versus you know the party line or or something though i think another good example would be the f thirty five where we have three towns burlington south burlington believe all of their town meetings voted to stop the basing of the f thirty five here in vermont it's four hundred billion dollars plane for one plane it was an idea from the eighty's it's a bad idea the plane doesn't work it's a boondoggle they're dangerous they say their only job is to fly nuclear bombs in a stealth way and be a first rate nuclear weapon and i understand why you guys fought for the air national guard are great people i have friends in the air national guard i know that whatever plane they get they'll patch it together and they'll make it work their vermonters they can do that but here we have the will of the people who voted in town meeting tell meeting is the most sacred place left in democracy it's the most democratic thing we have in the world is new england town meeting and they voted and you know lockheed martin sends outage in general to the city council meeting in full uniform to try to threaten that we're going to take those eight hundred jobs away if you don't let lockheed martin keep selling this plane eight for four hundred billion dollars and so i think there's times when we need to stand up to the corporations the military industrial complex i think the biggest threat facing this world is the military industrial complex not the global refugee crisis that we created and we need to stand up to those people and say no i'm going to vote with the people of vermont we don't want this plane the people of the vermont air national guard deserve a mission they need a mission that's worthy of them that's the right scale for the airport that doesn't shut down affordable housing and that doesn't hand out billions and billions of dollars to a corporation that's already prove that they're not trustworthy and they're not going to do a good job so there's a lot of conflicts and  conversation a little bit to more of a one that i think is very important for vermonters and nationally as congressmen and that's health care and peter let you start this one give us some of your thoughts about you know here in vermont we've we've tried  universal health care type of system or tried to go to it and what do you think about the those issues right now and terms of not only for her mom put on a national health care is the top issue access and cost i think all three of us are for medicare for all all right and when i was in the state house i pushed for broad access and we got the catamount health care plan that by many accounts is the best health care plan we've had and that was a republican democratic deal we focused on access and we focused on cost it's a mess right now but the biggest problem with health care is how the it's the cost of it we spend more than any industrialized country in the world yet we have the highest rate of uninsured pharm profits are the most outrageous of any place in the world and pharma comes up with these drugs oftentimes financed by taxpayer financed research at the end i and i h and it can do lifesaving cures  relieve pain but the cost is going to kill the patient so my view is that we have to have a system where everybody is covered where everybody helps to pay for it but it's going to require some governmental action when there's no protection for consumers or for employers who are providing health care for their people and a lot of employers by the way they could do great with a single payer system they wouldn't have to be running a department about health care benefits so that's where i'm at of the most rectifiable issues are a return to fair progressive taxation because with the stroke of a pen you can alter the whole balance of wealth inequality and of course getting universal health care and i think as you said peter there's no question that universal health care system via medicare for all system a is moral because it covers everybody b is a canonical because it saves sixty eight hundred billion dollars a year in administrative and for suitable cost and see it's practical because we already have a medicare system so you're not reinventing the wheel you're just dropping the bottom of the question therefore i think we all agree that we should have medicare for all my issue is that the democratic party at least establishment within the democratic party has really been very l in terms of its advocacy in fact when bernie put his medicare for all bill back in two thousand and nine two thousand and ten forward only two senators and patrick leahy actually did not co sponsor it so it's indicative of sort of incremental ism and it's ok to do things slowly i think it's ok to do things slowly if one is wealthy if one is powerful and if one isn't hurting but americans are really hurting and i think that we as democrats need to advocate for this forcefully on a day to day basis the bully pulpit of our soul congressman has to be used every day in protest in telephone conversations in what everyone needs to be done email and social media and everything where this is one of the front topics every day i think in the cage and all support is just not sufficient and the democratic party has to embrace this as sort of a win win win and this is what we're going to make happen ben what you were talking about health care and i was promoting the idea of medicare for all and he said yeah but with so many people making so much profit off of health care how are you ever can again and then change they're controlling the system they're buying the politicians they can control the debate and that's a really i think you have to not underestimate the enemy in this situation that's why my view is that we need to start just by providing the public option which was originally part of the affordable health care if this all of the exchanges had the public option where i could choose to buy into medicare make that choice you know that's a choice people don't people need more choices and i could either buy the blue cross thing where they'd be taking twenty percent of the money and stuffing it into their pockets or giving it to their friends or whatever they do with it and or i could choose the medicare and i would say i want to use my money to support a public option and i think that's that's what we need to do it's and in a lot of this you know i'm a democratic socialist i've been out for a long time on liberty union man and through and through and i believe that by giving people more public option within banking within health care within energy that that is really the solution to be a bulwark against sort of the you know the religion of free market and the energy and commerce committee in very much a part of it but i was the sponsor of the member to offer a public option and we got it through committee we didn't get it through the house but it was the same argument that depends making let a person choose let dan choose me choose you choice to the government system right already in another piece of legislation they have is to allow anybody age fifty or older including employers to buy into medicare to start bring it to age fifty to start bringing that down it's got public confidence but there is a practical challenges to making a transition you know we've got a lot of people who are in the health care system that we're in our local hospitals are all dependent on a system they didn't create but they have to navigate in order to give better care so how do you transition from where we are to where we want to be where everybody is covered everybody helps pay in on this question of cost which is absolutely a fair question when we're doing catamount care that was the question that governor douglas asked the democrats were asking what about access and we realized you know what we're both right because you can't have sustainable access without affordable cost you just can't but i think all of us here know that we spend way more than we need to the biggest problem with health care is how much we waste in spending and if we can get an efficient system and that's what a lot of us who favor medicare for all approach think will be more efficient we can have better coverage at less cost what your viewpoint i think that if one is going to advocate for public good you have to make sure that you're funding it from some source otherwise it's just politics i think there's no question that if we did adequately fight for a good return to progressive taxation sort of payroll tax for example it was not so regressive in the wealthy and paid their fair share if corporate loopholes were removed such as delayed repatriate ization you would get another hundred or two hundred billion there if the income marginal rate was increased to what it was throughout most of the twentieth century it's easy to fund these things but i want to stop there because it's actually misleading to even make an argument that is the threat of whether we should do medicare for all is an economic one because the money is all there so everybody knows in a washington post last week that was the george mason review of berni medicare for all what would it cost and mr ryan from wisconsin picked up the first half what it is which was this is going to cost another thirty one of so trillion dollars over thirteen years more or less what he didn't say is the second half that was to the federal government because of course you're transitioning from private industry for defect to federal government what he did not say is the second half which is that we were going to save about three trillion dollars for the system as a whole right so tricky that way you would know better than me but i'm not surprised so i think really we need to be honest we need to make sure that americans know that this republicans should know that if you want our industry to be more competitive the best thing you can do is to remove the yoke of employer based health insurance which is about four we'd probably capitalism thinks it's a really good idea to take raw materials from and states ship them across the world to china turn them into plastic things and then ship them back to us here said that we can buy them at the dollar store for inexpensive  everyone anyone who looks at that just from a resource management perspective can say this is a terrible plan the reason why we need it is because incomes are so low that we don't have any choice but to go to the dollar store to buy our our material so we  terms of you know i do my personal preference would be to have a locally sourced economies small micro economies where you can go and you can buy from the you know farmer's market you can you know get as much as you can locally sourced that supports your friends and neighbors and i think we need economic policy that changes from this idea of scarcity and profit which is kind of the religion of free market capitalism and take on this idea of abundance like it's right now there's corn everywhere there's food everywhere it's august and from others an abundance of food is an abundance of products and take this idea of abundance and then think in terms of resource management so how to do that within the global you know economy that we have right now is really difficult so obviously it's a radical sort of voice in the wilderness nevertheless you know you know i don't believe let me just say one last thing i don't believe his name is actually to like you know get a better deal with china i think he's working for vladimir putin he's just trying to undermine all of our relationships on a global level and he's basically trying to weaken the united states as as a power in the world and so although i'm sympathetic to the idea of the supporting our local economy buy local as much as we can because the stronger you have a local economy the more we're tempered and protected against globalism but the here's the deal of the trade issue trump's got a point about china ripping us off ok but if he's right about china y c attack in canada why is he attacked in the e u why is he attacking our farmers in the midwest why is he attacking dairy here in vermont so he if if if he was focusing on addressing the ripoff policies that china has been getting away with for a long time and be with them you know they're stealing our intellectual property they're forcing many of our companies that do business there to turn over their technology and then copying it they play with the value of their currency to our disadvantage all the time we've got to face those things and when trump talked about them he had a point but his implementation of this is just all right and harmful these terrorists midwest grain farmers there now and he's talking about the twelve billion dollar impact and it's a wrong headed policy but instead of changing the policy now i want to go to the taxpayers and have us pay twelve billion dollars to make up for this he's using in excess in an exaggerated definition of national security that is the authority which has allowed him to impose these unilateral t justify attacking canada and i imagine we're all in agreement that we don't feel an imminent threat from canada and that all you know are from the e u i think they're actually building a wall we're going to pay for it that's right but so the trade issue here is one where it's about china and we should be working with our allies canada the e u in even mexico to deal with that so i don't like what he's how he's doing it dan we have a question on but i want to get your viewpoints on tariffs before we go to the question appreciate that so i mean first of all i looted to it earlier i believe the tariffs this sort of like the last basket that you reach to when you have issues with international trade i'm not a free trade person i'm a fair trade person but that really means is free trade that's regulated kind of like i guess socialism is regulated capitalism you do it right the problem with the global economy and the way we pursue globali theory for example has a lot of things that could create increased wealth for many americans and for many overseas people across the pacific but the problem is that it's so inundated with various little tidbits that help the corporate spirit as opposed to what you're saying so nafta on the other hand is the same thing but most of the injury from nafta already occurred because we've sort of become now an integrated system between canada the u s and mexico but  systems are corporatists problems i want to end this just so you can take the call and say that the problem is that this is in essence deep deep in our politics and i'm very critical of our party because we're in a sense corporate  republicans i would say corporatist heavy but the corporate to slight is bad enough that we don't do anything very significant in terms of truly addressing the core values because every core issues because everything we do is always with the corporate it's been and critique i have of the incumbent when running against and i don't think what you do is any different than what most establishment democrats do but the concept of representing americans while most of your money comes from corporations i think is that poor and i think i so damaging to our democracy and to effective democratic principles we're going to go to our first we have a couple of callers we'll go to our first one here will see where they have takes us good evening call or just tell us where you're calling from and give us a question hi  you that's yes so i in favor i was actually been in this studio talking about legalizing marijuana for fourteen years and i really take my hat off to scott it would take a republican to do it and i really appreciate that what i meant to say i didn't say that i should that we should just be handing out heroin to children i believe that we need to treat drugs as a health and a mental health issue and not as a criminal justice issue we can afford to keep you know locking up nonviolent drug offenders which we've been talking about for a long time in the studio and we need to treat it as a as a public health issue and that's a much more appropriate  terms of since that discussion was happening we've seen a huge increase in the and what i call this is the apocalypse of the the opium epidemic here in the united states and i think that the there are very specific companies doctor the evidence if you look i've done all that review if you look at the literature even before over the affordable care act came out it was very clear that the increased prescription of opiates was leading to a significant increase in addiction and that was already available that's been a lot of that information has been documented in the public record for a long time and yet now are finally saying oh hey maybe this is an issue and this is a problem so i think we need to bring to stand up to the pharmaceutical companies who saw this as an opportunity to make a lot of money off of so is is the right thing to do to go in and arrest them and send them in jail maybe and that case i do think that we need to sue the pharmaceutical industries i think we need to go after them with all everything we have the produce farm on the rest of them they they knew what they were doing they did it intentionally and they did it to my community to my former students you know i have every every month or so another former student like facebook me and say hey man i'm trying to like you know get some money for my phone bill and get fifty bucks and these are people they were like brilliant young people writers thinkers people i talked to read people who found their voice and now their only choice in life is to scrounge around to try to get some you know get a bag of whatever fentanyl and the people who are profiting off of this need to pay for this is totally inexcusable this is why court the free market capitalism does not belong in health care these two things are different free market capitalism is very nice for whatever people who want to make a lot of money but this is health care this is an essential right of humanity so so but that you know and i'm not sure how seven day is characterized it but yeah i still agree it should be a public health issue and not a criminal justice just so does anyone else want to respond through the years through the open border addiction and what it's having its impact on vermont and what you could do as a congressman for well two things no i don't agree with you on legalizing heroin but i do believe you're right about treating the opioid credible crisis as it is a problem a health issue in vermont or is he doing that i mean it's really quite remarkable when you go to first responders and law enforcement people or city officials or medical people they are all working together as best they can to treat this as a medical issue and in the past several months i've had opioid roundtables in communities all around the state and i've been just amazed at how communities are coming together in rutland and burlington in saying all business in bennington in springfield and cooperating in a way that is a good example for how we don't operate in washington because at the end of the day it's one addicted person at a time who's got to find the strength in this report to make it happen my view on the federal level it should be number one we've got to provide resources because the real work is going to be done back in the communit includes access to to nor can it require support for our first responders in our health care two it does definitely mean defending medicaid you know the republicans down there were all talking about the  because it does affect people in their districts and in passing minor legislation but cutting the heart out of the medicaid program which is the treatment thing third we've got to support research at the end i each for now and hope the treatments of pain and then for we've got to really be have a very strong education program and dan can probably talk about this for medical practitioners to have proper prescription of because a lot of people got in trouble when they when they got a prescription for a disease and they couldn't get on harvard so there's a lot to be done i'm curious about your point so my last mobilization with the navy is i was brought back to manage the navy comprehensive pain management program which was navy's being told by congress here's one hundred and something million dollars fix the opioid issue and the other services got similar kind of things and i was brought to manage a program so i kind of know a little bit about this and of course i spend a lot of time in emergency rooms and with patients at the a and in the military so this is the issue it's all hands on deck and when we say all hands on deck it has to start with responsibility and i think that is sort of go back to what is fixable and what a core issues and what a core values for everything and i'm going to use that as an example to be more specific with respect to physicians physicians need to act reputably they cannot be prescribing opioids loosely like you said and they need to be adhering by guidelines which of course require  they don't always do that and it should be held accountable there are a lot of pill giving doctors out there and they really need to be stopped as a people we need to recognize that not everything is curable one hundred percent and people need to learn that it is possible that we need to but the other part is if we have an expectation that the people out in the trenches whether they be in the health care or the people who are potentially getting addicted and patients they're going to need to have more personal responsibility our leaders in washington have to have more personal responsibility too and this is where it is really important that our congressmen and senators role model and that they for example refuse to take money from from a sort of pool companies from from a sort of distribution companies companies like perdue one should not be sponsoring bills on behest of pharmaceutical companies that stripped to be a of its power in order to stop distribution of pills so it's all hands on deck but we democrats need to be honorable and we cannot have conflicts of interest that are destructive and at a very harmful to vermonters and americans in general thank you record we have another caller so i want to just because you know i was never advocating the legalization of heroin a as just sort of a great idea i was talking about changing the focus from from criminal treatment very to saying it is a medical issue but i do want to echo what you're saying that you know we need congressmen who stand up to the corporations and we can't be co sponsoring bills that protect the companies that are doing harm to our communities from prosecution you know and in and that i'm sure that wasn't your intention when you co sponsored the bill but the fact is when when but that when you receive one hundred thousand dollars from the pharmaceutical lobby and then you co sponsor a bill on their behalf to protect them from prosecution watch the sixty minutes episode on it it's that's where we need you you're coming from a liberal state you run  unopposed you have two million dollars there's no reason you could stand up to anybody and we would back you up one hundred percent i still say if you stop taking corporate money i'll drop out right now i said that to you before seriously i mean this is this is where taking that money certainly it regular means of business because it was a benign bill that clarified what responsibilities were i got involved because that was a local company it wasn't big pharma it was burlington drug which has been known recently sold that owned by a family in burlington for a hundred years and it just provided clarification of what their responsibilities were because it's at times when you would have you or another physician would prescribe an opioid that had to go from the manufacturer to the drugstore so the patient could then get the prescription that you provided that's really what it was it was so benign that the d n a supported it i didn't even co sponsor until after i checked with law enforcement here no problem with burlington drug and then it was passed unanimously by every member of the house pill improperly as a result of that law being on the market so it's an issue and the corporate money and you know campaign finance we've all been talking about this this is a huge issue and it's a huge in scale that we've never seen ever since citizens united was passed because what that did was not only allow continue to allow political action committee contributions to campaigns but unreported undisclosed contributions of vast quantities to advocates who kept their identity secret and retention secret so let me give you a stat i'm going on a little bit here but you guys are going after me on this and it's important in the last election there was the federal election it was one point eight billion dollars spent one billion dollars of that was contributed by one hundred americans not to my campaign or dance campaign or ben's campaign and that in fact any individual's campaign it all went to the super pac majority's and they started their own agenda for their own reasons and if they brought money in the vermont or texas or california it was all to achieve what they wanted and that's what i think is the heart of the problem and i'll give another example is the final one when i ran an o c six it was the first time the seat was open i think in sixteen years and i had this very competitive race with me and martha rainville the former head of the national guard extremely respected person each of us raised and spent over two million dollars and we got individual contributions and political action committee contributions but every one of those political action committee contributions that she got or i got came into our campaign so when we spent it you know it was spent and we were responsible for that in martha and i we did a great early on in the campaign sat down and had a handshake and said we agree you know negative ads that's the last time that's happened in this country and with citizens united we couldn't do it so we've got to change citizens united we've got to get disclosure we've got to get dark money out of politics and if we can have public financing and i'm a sponsor of that along with bernie and patrick that would take a lot of this question i wan you some time here yeah i really need is a letter is a lot there we do have a caller caller hang in there we'll we'll get to it so first of all i want to make it clear i don't think ben and i are attacking on this topic you personally and i want to make that very  the dishonor is very very destructive in it and i don't mean that on a personal level i mean i mean that in terms of the consequences for americans so i think it's pretty disingenuous to state that this bill was potentially just working on a little mom and pop pharmaceutical company and bought in burlington that's really not true the company was purchased by a large south carolina company the vice president was part of a big pharmaceutical alliance which provided you about eleven thousand dollars the prior owner gave you one to two thousand dollars also and they were basically pushing this bill because they wanted to do a thing they wanted to get the d n a off their and their colleagues backs period and to say that the da supported this is completely untrue one can always go to an agency and find a person who will support you but the question is what the truth is the and i want to make sure to be very accurate this is what the lord judge from the d a said about this bill if it had been the intent of congress to completely eliminate the ability to ever impose an immediate suspension on distributors or manufacturers it would be difficult to conceive of a more effective vehicle for achieving that goal so the independent people not only the lawyer who worked for the v a but the whistleblower all said that this was very district destructive in fact the whistleblower said that people who took money congressmen and senators he money it is shocking now i'm going to say up front that my colleague to deliberate takes less money than many in fact i'd probably give us the minus the problem is that you take a lot of it and for some reason and you and your colleagues i don't think you're any different than most are not willing to say have the insight to understand the destruction to our democracy and inability to advocate for middle class people thank you then we're going to get the question real  maintaining their power to price gouge and i've been a leader in congress in fighting second there's a revolving door but third on this question of whether this legislation is anything to do with getting another pill we had two years of experience in dan if you've got the single example where that happened i'm waiting to hear it's just not there and when thing that i have is a record that shows i have been absolutely a fighter against the oil companies on climate change against the pharma companies and the price rip offs and i'll continue to do that i'm going to cut you off so we can get and we were going to have very short last statements because we're almost out of time alone caller if you have a quick question for us tell us where you're calling from yes  i'm calling from green street about six blocks away from the debate my name sandra champaign and i'd like to thank the three candidates i thought that was some very interesting conversation and very quickly i would just like to remind everybody that early voting has started now and absentees are still available the polls will be open from seven to seven on tuesday and we have now same day voting i've seen a lot of voter ocean and a lot of other what we stood up stood up with this fight and i appreciate you coming to the old mark then and i would just like to hear your here's what we can do with republican legislatures and republican secretaries of state that are frankly really violating the constitution and i thank mr condo's for all his good work with the same day registration so i appreciate all of your candidates dr dan mr mitchell in congress and welch thank you and i hope we all see you at the polls thank you dan i'm going to start with you  that we attended voting should be as easy as possible it's a basic democratic right and any suppression any restrictions should should not be there what i really want to talk about is how we get people to show up to vote because that's actually the real issue here the elephant in the room and the way we could we've got only a couple minutes of intense work and the way we get people to show up to vote is to namur them that politicians are advocating on their behalf they're excited that they're working for them that there's honor and it and that they can make changes if we do that i'm sure a lot of people were shocked about it quickly for voter suppression types of things or encouragement well i think we all probably agree that we need to have  think we should have a vacation day on voting day we should make it easier we should have public transportation which we don't have in the states to get to the polls that the more people who vote the more legitimacy we have toward democracy democracy i'm a democratic socialist but the really radical part isn't the socialism you know it's democracy and this is what we're fighting for right now and so you know up we need you to go in fight for democracy whatever it takes  both dan and dan and we do have a problem with the active efforts of republican state houses suppressing denying people the right to vote they claim it's a problem voter fraud there's no evidence of that not in the way they're trying to win elections now is dark money i disagree with what you said about my campaign but i definitely agree with you about that dark money and voter suppression and we have to be united and letting the voters decide in let them vote a final thought here and really we're down to a like less than a minute or so so what do you want the voters to know you know that then the biggest thing facing the congress in this next congress is going to be impeachment and we need people in the house of representatives who are going to place the immediate needs of the constitution and the people of the united states before the democratic party and there's claim to power another the demo the corporate democratic establishment doesn't want to do it because i think it will use up too much political capital and we need people to stand on the floor and say this is wrong and to fight for our democracy we're watching it fall away and this is important to the people of vermont and the people of the united states thank you peter well and on the impeachment question you know what here's where i agree with him i think donald trump is a real threat to our democracy he's attacking as i said in the beginning the guardrails of democracy freedom of the press the rule of law respect for institutions respect for each other and we have got to fight that we needed democratic majority to do it but second the through line here in the criticism me as i'm quoted stablish mitt or corporatist and you know tell my wife that but i just want to tell the story well we may not have enough time to a very very very short when i got out of law school i had a chance to work on wall street i had a chance to work on me and k street that's corporate america i ended up on bridge street in white rejection is a public defender and that's where my heart is it's serving people so i had a chance to do the corporate thing but i chose to think there's been much more rewarding much more in reaching and there's all kinds of members of congress four hundred thirty five but i'll tell you i'm really proud that with my continued service i had the endorsement recently  bernie sanders and the father of the climate change fight bill mckibben and i want to keep working for miners i work for you then you get the last word so what i'm trying to run for is to like i said before bring honor into the process i think if we stand up and if we take ownership of a vote and we insist on something better if we don't accept rationalizations we don't say to taking money is ok because we may have some end result that we want we insist that our leaders minimize their conflicts of interest because it's the right thing to do if nothing else and if they do that we can at least be assured and we don't have to try to explain and figure it out that they're actually advocating for us for what matters and i think that we should insist that democrats and in particular that are single congressman spends his or her eventually hopefully her will have to spend their time on core core issues not telecommunication bills  just climate change a jest medicare for all of the things that really matter to all americans i would really be honored to get your vote thank you so much folks we appreciate you 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