well good evening everybody thanks for coming out tonight my name is scott spool off and i have the wonderful task of chairing the steering committee which i told somebody it's a little bit like herding cats but we've been going through a very very solid well design process to bring us where we are today this is a status update we've been through one design charette we've sorted through a lot of input  this is really sort of the first if you will solid design update we still have quite a bit of design work to do based on the input that we get here tonight and over the next couple weeks and we still continue to target a mid march approval project approval by the council so we're still on a pretty tight time frame but what we're going to tonight is i'm going to turn it over to the design team they will introduce themselves and they will update us all on where the design is to date and then when they're all done the reason we have all the the nice renderings and pictures up is so that you can walk up to the front take a close look and this is your chance to provide input ask questions and get any concerns that you might have out on the table so with that i will turn it over to greg from at an eighth street bill johnson and phil mire local planning assistance help we also have walker parking silence they're not here tonight we'll have some of their input will go into that we have a great steering committee a bunch of members here and you designers and you put them in a room and you don't let them leave until they're done drawing things like this it takes we spent two days leading up to the presentation we had last time and we had a meeting just like this and got a lot of feedback and what we want to show you tonight is what did we hear and what did we do with that information and how did it impact the drawing so the idea as we talk about our process is this continuous community outreach we've been establishing a program we want this whole process all through the very end of november and december early part of january to really understand what is at the community wants this project to be what does it need to be and we're now in the concept design phase down there at the bottom the design and in this iterative design process and what that means is an iterative design process is one where we we put up ideas and you say i like that i don't like this i like this over here and we go back and do it again and then you tell us again we do it again and we keep going until eventually were like yeah that's a pretty good idea we're on the right track so they're also have continuous budgeting program assessment we also have and so but we love them because that's important because we want to be really smart about the budget we have a budget that we're working towards it's not necessarily that the vision we're going to show you fits completely within that but we do want to understand that so we give you a really great project within that budget then we can talk about potential future phases and see what makes sense so we've had a number of presentations we're down here now about halfway through it february eighth refined plan presentation so you'll see some of this information tonight  a summary the other process this is a little bit repetitive but it's important that we keep this this whole thing in mind because this is really the magic of the process and what we've been hearing that's been driving the process is you know this is the most inclusive place and the civic center in the farmer's market the uses that we find here have no other home recreation shouldn't displace the market we need to protect and enhance and provide functional parking more diverse program offerings both in terms of types of vendors but also the people in the vendors booths and things like that and also the activities and the rec center of course this notion of recreation instead of competition and wellness instead of fitness there's sort of a character of the civic center that differs from a full blown rec center in that you know rec center the first experience you have are like a big fitness centers you come in and you check in at the door and you show your tag and then you can go in and it's sort of this sort of permission the civic center is more of your living room or your family room you feel welcome to come in there's not one single checkpoint you come in for many entries and you feel welcome to discuss into the building and be maybe you're there for an event or an activity maybe you're there with your kids or or or somebody else but it's a different kind of atmosphere and different kind of environment and the focus of this whole place is really a kind of wellness and terms of something that's very special and as you probably know there's been a number of efforts to plan this building and renovations for this building over the past few years and one of the things that we think is has limited those efforts is the sense that they got too far down the path towards one single idea that was overwhelming all these other uses that might be displaced and the simple fact is we spent a lot of time in the community and found out that there's a lot of uses that happen there that people are hugely passionate about that can't be displaced so we want to protect those we have this notion about about what's this vision statement here and this is a little bit wordy we're still working on it but this idea that if you think about of the key words that are hidden in there and another is a little repetitive if you're the last one but you know the civic center is a place where the beauty of ordinary moments of everyday life are recognizes as having extraordinary value the sense that more than any other place it's where all the residents of holland come together more people feel welcome here we talk to people in the community they say you know this is the place where more different people from this community come together like some other places where maybe i don't feel so welcome or maybe i feel like that somebody else's place not mine in the next chapter in the life of the han civic center place will build on the legacy and continue serving many purposes and people lots of people not just one thing not being really specific to any one one activity cumulation the some familiar activities and comfortable surroundings welcome the broadest range of residents in a more capable space certainly the building we have now doesn't work particularly well it's sixty years old the bathrooms are old there's a lot of functional issues we can fix but we want to make them flexible and adaptable one of the problems with the space now is many of the men in the spaces are only good for one thing and for example if you're not sitting in those upper deck seats they're not usable for anything else right whereas many spaces like the gym floor you can do lots of different things so we want to celebrate this place is the heart of the community now after last week we had some comments and some other ideas that we want to engage and sort of add to this vision idea that this place is a bridge it's a bridge between places and people creating connections or relationships this is a sense where you've got the pick up basketball game where again a really broad range of people that would probably never meet or interact in any other circumstance in their lives come together on the basketball court and that's something special here it's also a place where you know you're bringing people together at the farmer's market who might otherwise not me or you know people can learn new things about different kind of food activities and you know food is kind of the heart of our cultures so we think that this is a real opportunity there should be the first place you think of when you want to find something to do or find out what's going on the heart of that community and this idea of folks place this this good for everyone rather than great for just one so  again it's being open and flexible and adaptable so those are some thoughts that came in from from after the after the session last time and you'll see this throughout as i present some ideas will follow it up with a slide like this it says here's what we said and here's what you said so hopefully we'll start to see th since coming together so this idea of you know this ordinary is extraordinary and i just love this sort of series of slides here because it really represents all of the different things that happen in your civic center in the farmer's market that you might not normally think about or are not even know about but you've got the market of course you've got the cursed marked you've got the different cultural festivals that happen in the in the facilities there you've got the pick up basketball game again look at this is a crowd that you know it's that's a more diverse crowd that happens to be in the room here tonight for example you've got the volleyball and different activities you've got shuffleboard down in the basement when it's not underwater this is there's a it feel like the civic center and what they're after is not necessarily the fact that the courts a little small but there after that intimacy how close all the people come to the court and just feel that it's hard to get isn't it so that's that's an interesting idea that this is the model for a new facility that we're building now you know the pep rallies and the cage match fights of course you vote you were all there come on you know the gentleman that fly the airplanes on thursday morning i said this is the day you would never build a space a big indoor space for these guys to go fly airplanes but when you have it you can make use of it and you can create opportunities that are special and important even if it's for a couple of dozen guys that don't have this opportunity someplace else this is special important stuff you know roller derby of course the line dance for the dancing practice for two time of course time events and some of the other festivals public meetings if you've been then of our public meetings over the north we're going to try to not have any more over there because  it's really fun to do with a basketball game right outside your door table tennis of course what we have here this is one of the graduation ceremonies i think the daddy daughter dance you know  the gun and knife show all these different events all these things don't have another home right if we do if we if we somehow displace this for some other kind of activity where does all this stuff go this is something that would likely be lost frankly would not it would not have another home so you know the  parades and of course it took time for a there so so so so the big overview from last from last week we presented a couple of different concepts and i'll show them to in a minute but there's really strong support for that vision statement that i just shared with you a strong preference for the hub concept which focuses civic center expansion and that's primarily north and south versus east and west we call that one the connector i show you that in just a minute there is support for expansion of the west end market well that's poorly written support for expansion of the west and market expansion don't do that so we want to idea that the east end of the market right now is really strong whereas the west side of the market kind of kind of peters out a little bit it's a little bit weak we want to really engage that  create two strong anchors to really help reinforce how great the market can be manage the budget do not overreach some of the past efforts ended up with your price tags way up into the thirty millions thirty million dollars that's a lot of money we want to focus on good solid value do a little bit less but do it higher quality and take time we can go into another phase in the future if we need to and then keep all all elements in mind so this is the idea that you've got all of these different people that use the space remember them and keep that keep that in mind so here's our project site you're all familiar with that of course this idea that there are these other parks and this is this is part of a network we always keep in mind that this is not an isolated space it's a part of a network on a street it's part of a network of green spaces it's all interrelated and we want to keep that in mind as we think about design elements and tie them together in a broader network and then close up view there and we talked about this diagram here this diagram really talks to talks about some green spaces some edge conditions we're going to come back to this in just a second here but i wanted to hit on these two diagrams this is the connector this is what one of the we actually had fo diagrams like this during the show we chose two of them as the as the more appropriate ones the connector was one of them and as you can see right here this is the civic center site and the notion was that we would expand the civic center building to the east and it really occupied most of the southwest quadrant of the site it looked at some other elements there but the key issue there of course was looking at how that space how that building here again here is the existing building and then how flip over to here and really engage the center and that has called the hub concept in the hub concept really looks at this idea of thinking about the whole center space around the market which is working beautifully you think about the civic space here the civic center and how it can move north and south and tie in and eventually thinking about some edge conditions that over time i might be structured parking solutions or other other elements but the idea that it really protects the activity of the market and then you protect this one and the changes that there's a real overlay now that these two things carry that these two things intersect and become wine in a way that we think is really strong so what we've got here are some very specific comments i'm going to turn it over to bill here in just a second but what we heard was this idea of maintaining this existing market operations but improve the basics the market works really pretty darn well right now doesn't it fill except when it's raining you get dripped on so let's figure out some gutters let's figure out some more utilities to the west we've got places where you know we've got light poles to be able to add power and water wouldn't be that big of a deal you know think about elements those those bollards the big planters that are meant to keep cars from hitting them we could probably do without those some people like them but they kind of take up space creating a west market anchor and a green gathering space to the west bill will describe that in a few  moments more detail in the parking strategies of course we'll get into that as we as we actually dive into just how much parking are we impacting and how do we resolve it and hansen this notion of pragmatic green infrastructure strategies thinking about reducing pervious surfaces improving water quality and infiltration if you know what that's about basically all of the work that project clarity is doing to keep clean and improve it you know this is supporting that basically all of our pervious impervious surfaces which are basically pave services put a lot of silt and contaminants into the water which of complaining about my great team here as not eating enough we're working hungry and lo and behold the blessing is that i keep getting care packages this w the bringing me food so i appreciate that you know as you know as you talk greg about the vision and began to outline the basic principles behind where we're headed it's very exciting it makes me so excited to work with this vision because it's unfolding it's like springtime and the flowers are beginning to unfold and that's what's happening with this idea it's beginning to unfold and you'll see a bit of it tonight and when we start the charette next a good deal of flesh will be added to these bones let me just go over this quickly we described this last week we're talking really about a recreation site or the building itself and all the program elements that are being debated now and worked out and then secondly we're talking about farmer's market as a fundamental force that makes this whole block so successful it's unique in the country and it needs to be protected but enhanced so the recreation and the farmer's market are two of the elements the third one is relatively on attended over the years the site itself site itself standing alone has no face it has no identity and we have the opportunity now by blending the farmer's market and the recreation beginning to look at the site as a as a kind of vessel that takes all in and has a new identity to it so when we start greg we're going to have a beginning of a new identity a new face to this whole block we are persuaded so the first blending takes place where the recreation and the new sort of west anchor to the market northward move of north hall in some manner beginning to be an all weather place maybe an all season beginnings of market as it  moves into a family park a place where family can gather kids can have a ball there may be some marketing having to do with it but it would be a recreation marketing combination that would be the west anchor and it's needed very badly and it's going to make a big difference i think to the to the market and then the aches and pains that the market has now will be addressed it will get stronger without damaging or interrupting the parking capability then at the east entrance to the market it's a little bit forward or now it's a little becoming a more urban street and maybe right here the street itself could blend with the marketplace and become market square who we we're going to look into that and show you more details next week and we get it into the design thing we're quite excited about that so given that and fixing the aches and pains in this new ink or there's probably the beginnings of an amazing new place we don't have a name for this future yet it's beginning do show up in the vision greg but maybe amongst us all there will be a new kind of identity here that celebrates these ordinary things about life in this community and one of the possibilities here is that the perking itself might begin to multifunction with recreation activities you can blend parking and play surfaces event services together and we're looking into that was some care and  at me get to my side here greg well let's let's wind up with this and now and go to that that north garden next yes right  here this is a first quick sketch there's more coming we have five or six versions of the north park a good deal of it has to do an opportunity for detention stormwater detention winter ice related to water this is going to be a very exciting place having to do with its connection to the market next s i there will be hopefully more major trees that can help give it an identity and a face we'll talk more about this but this combination of walkways a bit of shade in a four lorne parking lot that can happen and charming intimacy of these kind of walks next life and of course winter hours there's an idea coming up now  a kind of circular motion of a link the little skating way that's related to a playground and yes it's a circle but it it has destination to it this will be fun when it comes up next like course the dynamics of the marketplace are always what we're after next like so this is a bit of an upgrade of the same diagram i just showed this was done last week as a little bit more precise nature of the the bones this would be the framework for future flash comes along there are many options to the building in there being debated now and work done with great care the market anchor the family recreation garden sharpen the west country the idea of the market square and then the idea that this parking as a pattern here's an idea that i think is really good the parking pattern is utilitarian there isn't anybody that doesn't recognise the twenty forty combination of forty foot double parking a twenty foot lane and again and again that pattern is universal we would like to take that utilitarian pattern and make it the basis of a beautiful garden pattern can transcend utility and move into something that's quite attractive i'll show you in a second so that the parking patterns important to us and to keep it intact through the two or three phases that we will have to go through in the future we honor that so all of our options are holding the market clear and free of interruptions to the fundamental parking system but on the edges of that parking system north and south there may be a chance for converting  to increase the storm water retention and add multifunction to our normal parking lot it may be so good that it can be extended later in other phases and do kareen later we have to prove it though because it isn't normal that you know how to park on grass you think you're going to park on mud but there are ways to get around and we're looking into them now of the ideas it's popping up and i'm very excited about it because it fits the notion of ordinary things becoming systematic and exciting this is an idea of an urban forest arboretum if we do add new trees and i'm showing the that many dots that might be practical ways of shaping the site based upon some major tree lines here's the locust grove already grove of eight and then the other trees why not take advantage of that investment to make a center in th city of an urban forest arboretum teach young people and all folks like me what it means to know trees and how they work in a natural system in the midst of intense urban concentration very exciting to me next like none the notion that this north garden might be a combination of a detention basin a rain garden that would flow along the way and that children's play and points of family gathering during market or all alone in their own purpose that that circuit might then become a winter ice skating ring who knows we're going to look into that one next life and then this is a little quick sketch at pine and ninth that says yes we could take these patterns this twenty forty pattern of parking which is with us forever and run it into patterns of a park park like setting this would be grass this would be crust tone it would run into zones or define the edges with ornamental grasses those three materials and new probably begin to have a park like setting that is unique based upon parking and that nice nice way of thinking a new lane might occur allowing these parking places to occur and along that would be trees baby and lights and walkway it would change the face of those big open for one parking lot you know it's nearly ten acres of nothing but then the parking is on grass and here's one way of keeping that stable with a grid through which grass grows and this is what it looks like solid as a rock you could park on it probably daily let alone the sort of out edges that we're talking about for occasional use for park  pretty exciting thank you so yeah so this image sorry this image here this is exactly the structure underneath this this is at the iowa state fair grounds so this is this is not an uncommon thing this is been done for years in the air so something we can look at there since we're not going to dive too far into the parking tonight but just to let you know that we are thinking about it we haven't forgotten we you know we understand that this down next david know we've got about two hundred twenty five spaces here about two hundred eighty here there's thirty five spaces here that would probably be impacted by that park as we think about moving the civic center of the south there's maybe forty four spaces here that would be impacted but all of this is really protected and you start to think about what walker park and consultants are starting to work on the sort of notion that the parking for downtown needs to be thought of erath then i was parked immediately in front of my space is that there's sort of this neighborhood network and walkers are looking at the entire downtown district not just this and so just getting a sense of as we start to think about if we have some impacts year which we certainly will want to do about that what you've got you know there's eighty one spaces right here that could maybe be used on  saturday morning that's a space that might not be active and we could talk to the folks that think that pad knows that owns that and maybe there's a facility here at the v f w that could something could be arranged this idea that there are sixty two spaces back here behind the play station the courthouse i don't know if people realize that that's actually holland public parking i didn't realize that i was thought that was for the county building you know currently there's fifty one spaces and thirty five here there's some activity going on here that over time that might change show as we start to look at this we're going to be looking at strategies that think about not necessarily just solving the parking issue and say but solving within the sort of rings that's a four hundred foot ring which from the very heart of this that's about it you know obviously that walk is not relying on is it taking a walk from the center to the edge maybe a minute and a half so maybe three minutes to walk down here that's not a particularly onerous thing to do and maybe you think about the sort of customer's first parking strategy this idea that you know in all great downtown areas where we struggle with the employees who want to percolate in front of the store that never makes any sense right so i know i know that the folks in the farmer's market they send their employees out to the very edges where maybe they could go over here which is not particularly much farther and those sorts of strategies also thinking about you know what do you do and really peak events the idea is that we're studying the level of service that we have today and making sure that the level of service that we have later is similar a similar incomparably successful so you'll hear more about this as we get into the next year but it just let you know that we are thinking about it so david is going to dive into the architecture thank you greg just as we've talked about all these components of the site there's also these components that have been rising to the top that do relate to the built environment of the architecture that is there and there's there's eight of them here on the saw on the slide that talk about the building structure itself one of those really is this move the first impression being really this most impressive yet familiar space we're not looking at jacking up the doorbell and sly and a whole new building underneath that doorbell we are actually looking  site there's also four edges of the building that are really important and we don't miss a c one of them as being the main entry there might be more focus on one side than the other might be one side that's more hardworking than the other but all four edges are really really important that we create a much stronger connection with the market i think that's something that has really come very strongly out of our conversations with all layers of stakeholders that that north hall that north edge really that in gage moment is so so important so we'll be looking at that as well taking advantage of the rooftop spaces is also again as you've been up on that roof and seen what is beyond that roof the water is not that far away and so what can we do to get up on that roof that's also an opportunity to engage again the market and engage that that dynamic streetscape that already exists there and so how can we get up in elevation leveling the floor so the current balconies that exist now and they do provide a c m but as greg talked about this idea of flexibility in our do they have the flexibility that we need for this new facility for the years to come creating the flexible indoor your realm player is that is something that we again we're not looking for sole source types of spaces we're looking for multiple and flexible uses of all the spaces that we can get and above all we're trying to make sure that anything that we do is energy efficient that we are making sure that we have pretty pragmatic green strategies in any of these options that we look at so as you dive in these diagrams again this is just another expression of this full si and really we're talking about this space and that specific built environment and again the idea of the hub is that where we're working around almost all four sides of this building in creating some of these new edges in these new front doors on that site but you're going to see here is a phase in idea it's not necessarily the phasing idea but it's one phasing idea as greg talked about the idea of having priorities that we have to set an understanding but the program magic elements that have really risen to the top are all a part of what these next diagrams that you'll see where you are invents the next one though there it is so the basement there is a basement that  exists in this building we've talked about it having some water that does run through it every once in a while at different times of the year and is as well there is storage capabilities that are still there there are ways to manage that water and so that will be some elements that will be looking into during the process as well as some of the budget game processes that we go through with go but the idea that there is existing storage down there that is potential to still be used as we manage the potential the water down there we can get elevator access potentially we can get stairways and things that can make that storage actually functional so in all of these the idea that this this this is a viable space is a potential for some of the storage needs again if we want to continue to make all spaces most flexible we need to be able to get rid of the tables in the chairs that are in the north hall now make it hard to meet and and work through the next plan then goes into what is the first floor of the building and so you see as it sits on the site here this is the current a street market edge here north north is up and the idea of the current multi purpose space that sits here would remain in this location and that core bones of the building will remain but we really start to line the whole edge of the building with some of these new program magic elements some of them are enhancements again the idea of taking this north hall and expanding it closer so that we have that direct connection to the market here this idea of creating and potentially a new front door a new entrance that would have an engagement along this edge of what is the a street corridor now the idea of pretty function post function space lobby space for your space that is very tight currently the idea of having toilet rooms that are new and functional that could be accessible off of that space all of this space could be really service seen what could be a multipurpose space event whether that's the dollar show or that's a tool time event whether it's a major and gauge moment in that space the stage still stays at this focus and down here one of the elements we talked about is the idea of a kitchen a teaching kitchen and a demonstration kitchen and so where our thoughts are is that an important element that is along this north edge as a part of that north hall expression could function different ways again that malta purpose use of of a saturday market or a wednesday market time but also during the doll show or during other things that are happening in the mall their purpose space could that serve food or other beverages as a concession type of a space and then lastly the idea of having offices so if this is an open place a living room a community space that you walk into in many different quadrants areas and potentially there's an information desk or a gathering space that you can get direction information as to where to go we still have some hard working offices that we need to accommodate for so we're showing those currently down in this location so this this diagram starts to show as a phase potentially wrapping this building all the way around in this edge we talked about the four corners being important that's true about the site that still is true about the building as well so this this entrance to maple into ninth is still a very important component depending on what phase we get to but that entrance is extremely important as well as we look at this full site going on to the second the second iteration also saying stay in a second floor second floor the idea of the seats the current seats are here now as we start to add on space potentially around this building we have second floor opportunities for mor potentially as we were to use that space depending on what happens on those seats as well as potential more office on that space this is an idea that as we add buildings or add add  additions for this building that that give us opportunities to get raised up in an elevation perspective to see and connect whether it be all the way to water or whether it be to be connecting to the street edges that are there now one of the options that we've heard though a lot of components that we read earlier is the idea that that would those spaces potentially be ship should be more flexible and so we're going to be exploring during this trip time what does it look like to actually take those balcony spaces and make them more flex flexible make them flat so that we can still have a multi purpose type of nature for those spaces as well as those could be event spaces those could be rentable those could be spaces that are very directly engaged  with the market but also with whatever activity could be happening in the interior of the space as well if you think about a new front door here could this actually be a two sided balcony that could again have that engagement  to a lobby space as well as to a multi purpose space and then on the roof so the existing building the core of the building sits sits here and has or to add these structures and we talk about a roof space here on second level the opportunity to have a roof faith on third level is also very viable as well again that engagement directly to the market but we know here there's a longer distance view as well so as you start to see these next iterations this be another phase so everything i just talked about would remain the idea of entrance and gathering north hall expansion kitchen but the potential continuing now down this ad of maple and strengthening that street edge is also very important and so are some of the program magic needs of some of that that more hardworking area of getting some storage adjacent on this for line which could be important and service connection maybe a commercial kitchen there's been some conversation about commercial kitchen incubator kitchen again a different type of a kitchen than what a teaching kitchen would be or a demonstration space here something that could also services a catering kitchen for multipurpose functions as well as this last space is the idea of a community flexible space that could be a floor space again that is rentable that is expandable in terms of what kind of shows are going on are things that are going on here again just more multi purpose types of spaces and now we're starting to enclose these old bones all the way around this building again the second floor of this is similar than to the first where we could start to look at the flexible floor spaces around those balconies now that we start to connect all the way down here could we have roof linkages to that maple avenue corridor or very dramatically we could long those along those roof edges and again the same thing is true that would really click into what is now wrapping the entire building all the way around on all four sides and so that would be more of a flexible space for multi purpose recreation sport activity and now this gives us the opportunity to be able to use this space in one function and still be able to have a recreation court and those kind of functions at the same time which we have heard is important especially in this core port pert  of the city i think greg is up a second level so the same idea that these balconies then could access have connections to the exterior connections the x year to the interior and now this balcony even over the old  could now have connection to both directions again multi purpose they could have bleachers seeding that is put on them temporarily depending on what activity is going on to enhance that and then up to the roof as we get into this full enclosure all the way around the building the idea of this higher roof area could be a great spot for solar panels to be able hands the energy of this building as well so elizabeth is that we've shown in the past  of again trying to show this experience of what we're talking about so this north hall expansion large garage doors a lot of petra building of be able to connect directly to what would be a market as judge as this example shows  one is again this engagement of a building in a relatively large structure in this example but you can see how people have sort of gather on a second floor to engage that street level and again the opportunity that we have on the north  hall expansion really is that excel for right there that we could sort of create this type of engagement going up on that roof is another another idea of actually enclosing that space and i would be able to see get up  on a green roof or a terrace but also be able to may potentially enclose that space and the dynamics as you have a be able to see now a greater view as this one does even a connection to the outside in this location again the idea of green roofs some of the green technologies that we see here the green roof and be able to actually walk and see the distance and see the water and i think the next one is this idea of we expand a lobby  unease how do we actually sort of create a space that is more a living room like more engaging on a on a full time basis for events or if you're just running because you're looking for space to be able to do that without the another important element that we think with that food connection that we have here is one of the one of the many images that we've looked at from the architectural building side two weeks is tonight we're really sort of getting your feedback and hopefully you can see that you know couple of weeks ago we had to kind of made your plans now we're down to this one direction that's giving us a lot of ideas and options we'd love to get your feedback on that tonight and that's what with all these drawings  e if we missed something hey where did this go where is this piece i meant just in this that's a really high priority for me we've got no cards here we've got sticky notes around here write us a note stick it on the board and so on but next week we'll be having a shower and really what will at the end of that show that will be presenting and focusing on the big vision of the whole site but it kind of saying you know this is this is what we've heard this is the direction we're going to give as much detail as we can and sort of are we all in the same page there as we go through that the construction manager be looking at the pricing and then certainly they're after on the seventh we'll be looking at confirming where those priorities lie we're going to talk about different strategies for hey if we've got eleven million dollars here's what we can achieve we can go this path which maybe has more site elements and fewer building elements for this path which might be more focused on the building or some other things so we'll present a range of options and and basically open that up for conversation so you can let us know what your thoughts are and that will lead ultimately to conversations with city hall about what do we think city council what do we think is the right direction for us to move on in this first phase and the ideas that will be under construction on this first phase november so this is all happening and moving forward so  again you can always follow us this way and keep track of what's going on here so with that i think we're going to turn the lights on and ask you doc come up here and just tell us what you think so forty seven minutes for to get thank you for coming and to me