do you have anything that you would like to say i don't know mr i do not mr thank you very much phyllis were there any questions from town residents that were brought to your attention thank you all right so now we're going to move  and i know when they have the farm stand up and when you have the c s a shares there's traffic that comes out and takes a ride on the tail or if you have to what impact if any will this work have on that that i don't know what we would have a road from the farm but also i think if you read the proposal it's it plus or minus it could be a less than the five hundred five zero so it could stop prior to that intersection you know i mean it's pretty heavily into it but the if it's one day then the depending the day and i don't know when you're looking to do the work at the farmhouse because i have a c s a share so i know you the farm goes in and off of glen road one way and out on to taylor one way out so it's not as if you're blocking that it's not as if people can go out the other way you can't just will not be able to get to the farm at all and this is sort of the height of their season so i was wondering when you anticipated doing the work well and if it could be done in a way not to impact the farm i guess when we started kind of depends on what happens here on approval it kind of goes on a batting order sort of goes on the construction first and they proceed accordingly now if you want to set some parameters as to be the farmstand season is over on a particular day you say you know where to start after this day are you can work with our construction in close with our construction supervisor as to you know when they can starve or how many hours it will take a what's better time in a day the start well meaning that first thing in the morning or maybe this first thing in the morning where they're done by the afternoon well afternoon in the evening or they're the pick up time so i think that's when the state is open i would imagine the morning they're just doing work on the farm right ground so merrily our crews start in the morning unless there's some sort of a reason why faith it was on during school season when there's a school there they're not going to start during school time but for that traffic to clear out sounds like in this i no problem with the other two mr chair but i was wonder if that for the taylor road if we could condition it such that it is not on tuesday it is not on saturday and it is in the am that's how i would myself  chairman i would move that we grant the utility petition regarding the seventy five taylor road to national grid with the condition that the work not be done on tuesdays or saturdays and at the see systems is proposing to install one four inch conduit from a utility pole approximately seventy two feet from the entrance of one twenty five to power on the installation of this condo has to be able to provide fiber optic cable and tell me telecommunications services to the existing tower on the top of the building or sell it on top of a building yes i'd also like to make sure because of the condition we've had issues with the condition of the concrete it's part of the propeller road job that we make sure this concrete is done right and we don't have any other problems or cracking and i soon d p w phillis would be involved in that  sure that this is done correctly i would hate to go through all this and then have the concrete fall apart absolutely and we we also recommended recommended but offered them that if there was a preferred contractor that you used or the state used that you would want us to use to do the restoration on the concrete that we would be open to that as the reason we're so concerned about it is that it was built out and then after the first winter the concrete fell apart and so then we had to do it over again which impacted all the businesses and everything so sure it's not your problem but i like the idea of using an approved contractor they can do that can't they fill it up because i'm ok so are there any other you're here for that i'm doing fine thank you how are you all doing good thank you so much for checking like clancy director of community development i have about three items before you this evening that i related to the traffic advisory committee the recommendations from the traffic advisory committee to the board of selectmen and i'm here seeking approval on behalf of the traffic advisory committee ok this is one of my favorite committees it's well run well represented so the first one is concord avenue near the memorial library for me gentlemen this one make sense it's the four hour parking as you enter the earth as you're driving towards the library on concord ave to make a right hand turn to go into the parking lot and  these were previously unrestricted let's go perhaps people were using that as commuter parking we don't know but the idea that this would offer additional parking accommodations to the library is important that is correct in this chair in addition to the library during the public hearing process there was representation from local businesses there was also a comment related to the underwood pool as well as the b memorial library and the consensus in the room was that yes indeed whether it's commuters or someone else it's certainly those five or six spaces a functioning as all day parking at the moment a four hour restriction was something that the business could live with in addition it seems to be a good number for the belmont library because they run programs that tend to run a couple of hours in length my understanding is people like to get there before they like to stick around after  there and you know yeah i you know i think you know i mean the burden as it is rightly so there are restrictions already posted along concord haven't you for example is right in front of the library i believe it's a one hour restriction that exist pole which is a perfect place to put a sign does not require an additional sign pole to sign itself will go right on the utility pole the other limit of the restriction is an existing fire hydrant so so the spaces  i have not received any when we notified i should make it clear that i was not present on the fifteenth for this meeting so i had a meeting with with the tact year before the hearing and that to be with him afterwards so i could get briefed on what occurred in the meeting in addition because we were sensitive to the fact that there were local businesses in the area that could potentially be using the spots in particular belmont savings bank which are apparently has a pretty large presence in one of the buildings across the street we made sure that we flier to each individual business as well as reach out directly to the belmont savings bank we also sent notices directly to the property owners in the vicinity and from what the cherilyn that donald share of the traffic advisory committee tells is it five this is has five to six bases one is what is it five six here i won't five to six because depending on it we don't intend to paint individual spaces we intend to identify a length along the curve and so depending on the size of the vehicle my second one has to do with the burbank elementary school and it affects sharp street and specifically what's proposed is to restrict parking on the odd side  street monday through friday eight a m to nine a m and one p m to three p m this is typical for parking around say the general middle school these restrictions exist restrict parking on the odd side of the curb along the entire front range of thirty nine sharp road monday through friday eight a m and three p m does that mean eight a m through three p m ok and then restrict parking on the even side of the curve along the entire frontage of forty two sharp road monday through friday eight a m to nine a m and one p m to three p m which again is the traditional restriction and change the signage currently posted at the bus in the turn into the school bus access only no parking at eight a m to three p m we have a nice map here i don't think we can get it on camera but if you're thinking about the bus that's right in front of the school right in front of the playground the no parking monday through friday on the side of the curve is also on the school side and that makes sense because of the traffic that's coming around and then the others the other two are or excuse me no parking monday through friday eight a m to nine a m and one a m to three p m is on the curve which makes sense and then you go across the street and monday through friday a t m through three p m so what you're really doing is you're protecting the curve is what it amounts to you're opening to the curve was the point of greatest concern with the school bus trying to navigate through there originally going into the public hearing the proposal was to have eight a m to three m on both sides of the street at the curb on the odd side of the road that exist that restriction already exists and it's been that way for several years this proposal is adding a restriction on the even side of the road as i said originally it was contemplated to be an eight m to three p m as well it was and there was some concern by the property owner at forty two shop row that you know geez i really don't want to give up parking all day if i can avoid that with the p t a the school in the traffic advisory committee felt that as long as they could have the restriction from eight to nine and one to three the hours during which the school bus can be expected to be coming to the school they felt that that was a reasonable compromise and that is why the proposal is to have those time restrictions in front of forty two some of the neighborhood attended there was support this is the proposal that they this is the right and that's for the bus or is that for car traffic as well which one of the  three right so that that bus can turn off of washington street get down shopping road and reached the turning of the school all of this was prompted by the idea that we're doing a lot of work on school street to make school streets safer for  one of the final pieces to introduce to that plan was getting the school buses off of school street and getting them on to shop road that way anyone walking to the school location of the crossing got on school street all the pedestrian activity would be on school street and the bus activity would be on shop around market question and i had a few the this is these improvements will prevent parents from parking and dropping off students on school street but i don't really see how because you're just making changes to sharp road i mean i've stood there and watched parents park maybe it's illegally but park on school street and run across with their kids in the middle of all this traffic around with that curve there so i don't know what this does to change the the reference to preventing the parking and drop off on school shooters related to the work that's being done already on school street right reduction of the curbing in sidewalk which doesn't currently exist i did not currently exist as pascual yet so with curbing on school street if you were to stop to discharge a student on school street you're going to be in the roadway what was happening before adam is that people the cars were pulling up on the sidewalk because there was no restriction there and so the vehicles will no longer be allowed and then when i say aloud they'll be  reach by the school principal to the parents explaining that school street is no longer an option for drop off and pick up because the curbing has been introduced because of the effort to make it safer any drop off and pick up will occur up on the gala road side of the school ok two more one sharp road residents are invited to attend the meeting do you know what the comments were from them and their response to this plan i don't know i once again i wasn't in attendance i don't know specifically what the comments were all i can tell you is that there was in there was general support and there was one concern expressed at forty two shot road which is why that that curve was tweaked from all day to to a morning and afternoon period and finally i guess i'm curious as to how this is going to be signed because it's a little confusing to some areas are eight to nine to one to three and some are eight to three when we were trying to just do the loading zone people got all confused and we had to change its own signed in force and these but some part of the street is a disagree then the terms eight to nine hundred three and then across the street is eight to three and then eight to nine in one day it just seems to me that people are going to mess this all well once again they'll be outreach from the school that hopefully is effective with the parents the signs themselves i mean that the verbiage will be there there will be arrow heads indicating the limits of the of where the restriction lies so in other words that at the beginning at end of each location they'll be arrowheads point again they'll be intermediate signage with double arrow heads i think between the verbiage and the arrows the message will be there whether whether a parents abide by it if i'm just concerned that someone will think the parking in the eight am to three that the part that you can park in between nine and one and think they're ok but they're really in the band from eight to three and not i don't know their one space too far as i don't think i wouldn't be concerned with that i think the signage will be clear the concern that we always have around the schools is that generally speaking you have a reasonably good september ok maybe after the first week when and when once the dust settles after the f you generally have a good september maybe even in october but things tend to slip as the school year progresses and it's really it's really on that school the principal in the p t a to keep reinforcing what the requirements are we can only do so much marc you mentioned enforcement it's a great point we can only do so much with signage we only do so much with that message the police department obviously doesn't have the bodies to be at every school and forcing the principals try to be very proactive either in being out there on the street i haven't volunteers  out there on the street really it's just so much of a collaboration going on to try to win for us all of this stuff at the end of the day the behavior changes it's you know what at the end of the day it's really beholden to the parents to abide by it and it's a good idea it's just a big glenn i think adam's question does bring up a point in my mind in that is when the no parking eight am to three pm on the odd side of sharp road particular sidewalk area i mean with that is that going to change everything you know because if you did that then all of sharp road would be eight a m to nine a m be less and you know one to three it would be less confusing unless there's a specific you know because you made the change on the on the opposite side why not just my i mean i know these things are detailed but my sense is that the reason that that piece was always signed for no parking throughout the whole school day is because there was a recognition that if somebody were parked across the street then you would then have a car and the side of the road on the curve and that you've tightened up that curve so much that emergency vehicles would have difficulty making that turn and so i'm i know in my mind when looking at this i didn't want to change the full day restriction on that side of the road because i wanted the opportunity to keep the roads passable and if you had somebody in there and said we went into this with restrictions on both sides even though there's going to be parking allowed in the middle of the day on the even side there's still just still not if you  would not have an opportunity for two vehicles to be on either side of the if you're also saying that it's been that way historically so it's already snowing that's on that side of the road to you right now but after three pm and before eight a m you could still have cars parked on both sides blocking emergency v intersection with ernest road in the stall a sign that restricts interest to ernest road from prospect to prospects treat in claremont road from seven a m to nine a m monday through friday and this makes sense to me because it's obvious that people can come down prospect turn left on right or ernest and then go through skelet traffic road by allowing this to happen and this this will prevent that white why didn't you put a restriction in the afternoon when the public meeting was held and the comm really fleshed out what the concern was it was really the morning peak that was the issue and so there was no prospect you know that's right pleasant yeah so the thought was why introduce a restriction that wasn't necessary and that's why the afternoon we didn't we stayed away from the afternoon  this so there is this sort of this judgment call that's made by myself by by town administrators i work with ok sure this will go to the board should it not go to the board this particular one back in the fall of two thousand and sixteen was not brought to you guys but the belmont police department has made it last week who said who saw this item on the agenda and was concerned that in fact this accident site was going to take the signs down i said and i his part the purpose of his call was to say it's working great we've eliminated probably eighty five to ninety percent of the people cutting through here please don't touch it i guess we have data you've got to go down and so one of the one of the point about how the traffic advisory committee and myself is town is you know how we do our business here when there is a proposal to restrict traffic on a particular road i notify all of the surrounding roads that could potentially end up with the we directed traffic so we give the we give anyone who could possibly be impacted by this an opportunity to command and oftentimes you have a situation where one street for lack of a better term will square off against another street and then you know a consensus will develop out of the concerns and traffic advisory committee makes their decisions accordingly ok i think if anyone was here want to stay with me you know not yet i've been lovely a son to the traffic advisory committee for a couple years and when i first started there were a series of such proposals and i ask len you know why didn't the committee because the committee understand the traffic patterns in the town so why didn't the committee just go precinct by tree precinct and see which intersections they thought to serve stop signs and right we had that discussion and then and then you guys did that that's correct and voice and also because that's right as we're sitting here now everything is kind of stable in echo librium you're not aware of any street where there's an issue that well i mean we're always looking to know when we're out of  you always responding you know we if we currently are evaluating two locations in town one is the intersection of cross and alexander and we're also evaluating the intersection of washington dalton and shock being studied not there's nothing's been moved forward yet the traffic advise you could be able to take that issue up again in september ok so the point is that the traffic advisory committee you know they obviously know all the streets by precinct and they've been very proactive and when a request like this comes up they do it and now i'm forced to ask you since the stop sign is already in place and the other side it's already in place yes but are there any other situations like that yes  her in the police department to compile a list of all of the restrictions that have been implemented in the town of belmont going back as far as we can go back at some point there will be  a document that captures all of these restrictions that my understanding is that allen strategy here is to capture them all present them to the board of selectmen for you to adopt as a group some of these were recommendations that the traffic's actions had and went directly to public works hey can i get a sign up here would it would really be beneficial to help this issue but there's been a lot of that stuff over the years all of it well intentioned but but but some of it not necessarily in conformance with the chapter know yes if you have what would you like to speak about traffic on ok step up to the microphone say who you are find me well always a first time you have to say who you are so that the public you know you're on to talk about the gas line on march street because that's where we live but as we said he and listen to the gentleman talk about street signs and stop signs and into sections i cannot let the evening go by in my conscience without mentioning the condo that we live near which is mass street and went to st every few days or at least every week and there's an accident on that i just grab my cell phone and go out and dial nine one one because somebody is going to be killed there there's a stop sign but they don't stop the intersection what they need is a real full fledged red beacon that's in place at that intersection which if you think incrementally on how you look at solving traffic issues at intersections a beacon is really the step right before full signal so clearly in the past there's been issues we are going to be studying we being myself in the traffic advisory committee we are going to be studying the intersection of concord avenue and mill street and winter street in concord avenue this  fall and so you would get notification of that effort because of where they live going and so you know it may be appropriate that maybe we broaden the scope of that and take a look at this intersection where one of my own without looking at any data and without really focusing you know much on the particulars here one of the things that jumps out at me is if you were to stop traffic on winter street in that location you may have queuing issues during the peak hours that would take vehicles back out on to concord haven't you so it may be it may be a tough spot to stop traffic on winter street just because of the queuing and the impact that would have back on chicago at avenues well we certainly can look at it and see if there are ways to make the intersection safer for both you and adam have mentioned data warrant you have to look at the volumes on marsh treat as well as winter street to determine whether or not you meet the warrants for false signals but that's not to say that the issue couldn't be addressed with something other than signals he doesn't traffic coming down  having a situation like we have a current style of it's it's this accumulation of signs over the what has to happen is myself police department we need to go back in our records and compile all of the years of when did you do this on ernst an when was that this particular one was the fall of sixteen the fall of two thousand and sixteen that's right have there any have there been any done since then you know well i mean that there have been there have been  advisory committee has recommended but everything has come to you that they were that they have recommended so we're we don't we're not in this situation for anything since you know we drew a line at one point look at within the last couple of years where we recognise that you know what we've got to start doing this officers got that ok so and then secondly will you come and talk to us about this issue that was just raised check the data with the police and find out how many actually have happened at that  intersection so that we can understand that marsh and winters i mean sure i can but just when would you well i want to be clear that the traffic advisory committee is going to be holding public hearings to study the issue and i would expect that when i come back to you it's going to be with a interim you know i'd like you to call the police chief and ask them what the data is on and then or so yet i don't see why we can't do that so i will do that tomorrow ok and then send us an e mail ok ok ok and then and then will know where to go from there ok so this is approval of the now i can't see anything but that but they and so i my my question to felicity glenn was in the contractor come back and fix that and there was some seemed like some reticence for them to do that and then i was thinking well maybe we have to get town council involved or something and it turned out we do paper management projects that have pavement markings we use what's called a thermal plastic material it's supposed to be more durable and you're supposed to get a three to five year life out of it before public works has to paint what we learned about belmont center and this was directly from the supplier of the material is that it was just a bad batch of material but the contractor to his credit was very forthcoming he said there were three communities with him with this particular batch was used and he accept full responsibility in all three communities and as i said they'll be in on wednesday night to to fix it which raises the other question which is sun some of the striping entre peller as there was recently done is also coming up as had a similar situation i don't know if it's similar i have not i have not gotten from mass add some of the bicycle decals that are in the bike lane so that the actual insignia that's painted on the two of those are already on the pavement as we've heard from some some members of the cycling community that feel that this should be more of those painted on the road that that's essentially a change order and so we will and i have been working with the d o t to get them to add more so d o t is negotiating with the contractor to have them command and add more once they finally come to second sometime after eight p m if any show is lighted street going to be closed down for that period of time as a business is aware this the businesses are aware or so not they will be t so even if a vehicle was parked there the t s and l's have held up well on concord ave it's really the bicycle lane in the double yellow in the center of the road the contractor has told us that even if there's a stray vehicle parked along the side they can still touch up the bike lane and they certainly can do the double yellow they'll probably have a police officer right behind them while they hit the double yellow going down the middle of the road so logistically i think we've got all the angles covered here frankly with the level of effort it takes to get a contractor to commune and do this type of stuff this time of just raised it with if we were in the military would give you like a dry play here you know but thank you can thank you for that and thank you glenn for straightening that out ok so now we're going to go to the twenty five mile an hour speed limit which we've already approved i'm speaking from memory i think we've already approved it no tell me tell me after the down we have to adopt and implement it ok so that's right make me first town meeting adopted i remember going through that and you're other questions and one of the signs go up if we vote to do this well the next step would be to meet with police to figure out where the signs will go i understand that has already been conversations with d p w in the police department belmont street is a particular challenge because there are so many ways to can in to belmont off of belmont street and so there's been discussion between public works and police department on where is the best place to locate the gets assigned so that somebody was we're asking public works to do around the schools to get to get ready for some number first my guess is that this would be wrapped up probably by the end of september and i just want the public to know that and i was in town meeting was overwhelmingly in favor of this windows the speed limit change when does the speed limit change well i would i guess it would be once the signs are put up in the pub and in the motoring public is formally notified that they're on a road with or one could ok now we're going on to the memo about committee appointed by the board of selectmen adam this was your proposal i think it's a good one and i know i've noted from our last meeting that there's one change in section five correct instead of saying that the board of selectmen will interview an open meeting the recommended candidates yours you're recommending or are you do you propose that that will be changed to may and you also have said that i yeah i mean i just i'm sure this is obviously this is the version that was that was sent around and the reason why i was thinking of why we're proposing to change the interview requirement from a shout to a may is in response to some comments from some from committee chairs that  maybe the shall is a little too strong and i think honestly in my second thought it probably is you know this is based upon mostly based upon the westen version of the committee appointment policy that's been sort of delmon tightest by me and i think that having the may gives us flexibility to do it or not to do it because obviously some committees have greater impact than others not that they're not all important but i don't think you would want to interview certainly don't have the capacity to interview every single applicant for every single position so i think the make is the fl never do it or mean we may decide to do it on occasion so how if we approve this tonight do we have to read this into the record that doesn't make any sense as it is will this be posted i did a very good job of when i asked to pulling together surrounding towns that have policies like this and honestly most of them do and we don't have a policy whatsoever and i read through them all and looked at them and some of them were quite draconian arlington for instance and some of them didn't do really what i think is not the they're not sort of working within the process we currently have as i'm not looking to up in the current process i'm looking to just write it down so weston seems to basically do it the way that we do it here in belmont with some tweaks required to match our process the idea was basically to take the process we have sort of tighten it up put in some timelines and to give people idea when they apply for a committee what's going to happen and also to do  simple things like requiring us to actually send a letter thanking people for applying if they don't get the position so i've heard people complain that they apply and then they never know what happened so they don't get appointed and they don't get a letter and i know that's happening now this year that the letters are going out for people who applied and didn't get it thanking them for the submission but this was actually codified and it's not just it's for those who replace us and those who replace the town and then straight are going forward that if the new people step in they'll have something to work off of that was  next i'll go with the flow yeah chair we should move it with that ok so i believe that would be li might be best if it went before the library trustees and then came back that seems to me sort of the way things go for not just a concern that any committee then or any people who want to just sort of jump out of the process then come to us and we hear them and then they go back and just seems like a little chaotic i'm not i'm not looking to obviously people are here and all that but i'm just wondering if this is something that maybe the trustees should take up formally at a one of their meeting public meetings first and then the matter come to us the second is one of the reasons that i have come by myself is that the waverly square matter is one on which the planning board has not voted yet i'm aware  so it's merely a working at this point i'm only here to answer it is only an idea i'm here to answer questions there are questions about it yeah you might my concerns are something like for instance it saves traffic with say somebody wanted to stop sign on their street and rather than go to the traffic advisory committee they come to us they talk about it they go back to traffic advisory they come to us it just doesn't seem like the proper process that i'm trying it's not a substantive matter and we certainly have other things to talk i'm only talking about the waverly square piece the other pieces obviously are fine i'm more concerned about doing this the right way and making sure that i think the trustees who are an elected body like us get the proper respect and it goes to the proper process i know that's not the intent to disrespect and i'm just saying if it doesn't this doesn't know that major cable project working group heard this idea as well and i think at this point it's an idea nothing more than that nothing that's up to record and as we continue to face the challenges of major projects in town i think we need to be open minded about ideas  meeting with other boards before the closing of far right has actually improved and i so let's another another i guess another edge to the same sort that i'm talking about just feels sort of a little out of order i want to sort of make sure that when things come to us they've been properly vetted and go through the channels especially when there's another elected body involved like the library trustees otherwise it just gets sort of all out of control well adam  library trustee in the bodies the need to have to go nogo direction by fully september is that true is that accurate but i mean it's not truthful i just mean is that is that  that when we when we do the other the other things that you're here for your and the other way to do this is i see that the a board of trustees for the library is here would you and i was curious about whether the go nogo by late september was was was actual and liz's response was that it's somewhat aspiration stakeholders and first before any further down dialogue we we don't even know what the proposal is i'm not sure when the september vote is for are we talking about waverly square  redevelopment why are we aren't talking about one building so i think there are lots of questions that some of which could be entered through an actual dialogue and i think that's the process that we should that i think just going through the process is done correctly elected the properly elected library board should hear it and comment and maybe it gets changed maybe a good scrap maybe it never comes before us and then we can do this in the proper way that's a the big idea library in waverley square development we will postpone that discussion until the group has a chance to speak to the board of trustees of the library again i want to emphasize that the next step is for the planning voter id as a whole to vote on it i would say the obvious is the chair of the planning board you can you in the planning board can do what they like however i don't think i would write think that the library trustees because it  so so seriously affects them certainly me and then there are an elected body as well need to be brought in before we take it up as i say it is always a pleasure to visit with the board of selectmen and i look forward to visiting with you again once we have moved through a process that is satisfactory to you pleasure to see you as well i need to thank you so just to be clear that that means that the planning board will be meeting on the idea before you meet with  library trustees and users me i understand that it isn't elected board but we also want to hear from users of the library where many that might take place tomorrow night when the planning board meets it's currently on the agenda concept and to be able to provide feedback our hope with that that was going to be taking place tomorrow night at the planning horn but it sounds like that might i guess i'm asking it was my understanding that we were trying to do that tomorrow night at the planning more meeting and that it would be on the agenda it is on the agenda and i repeat what i i think i said in my email to you the first item on the agenda is  discussion but in the past it has been fairly lengthy i am not able to predict how long it might be and if it were to run very late then we would postpone waverley square discussion in till the first meeting in september we do not as i don't think anyone would think it a good idea to begin a meeting at nine thirty at night i we work together labor trustee i think i think this board in it's really made a cup project working group is trying to find solution for all the major building projects this is just an idea understand the idea that you have a rethink it's it's helpful to both will be working together that we have figure a substantial effect on belmont just to point out the first three multifamily would be defined as three family every municipality would have to have at least five percent of its units allow an accessory apartment bill that failed to make it through the legislature would have had a dramatic impact on them and impact inconsistent with the direction the town meeting has taken for the last two or three years which is to agreed that we should invite our state representatives to come and talk with us about the bill and the likely process and because this is such a major impart to the town we were at the suggestion was made that we asked whether you would want to make it a joint meeting of the you know i support that idea and this is this could be have the impact of affording the project i mean this is a big this is a big change  in what's going on and i know what the reason behind it is because there's not enough housing in the boston area and so the state tried this to cities the feel like they're getting too much boston cambridge summerall are trying to force the communities like us another suburb in areas to build on their open space to take the pressure off of the housing crunch but then you know you can't cut every tree down for a house you know where the knowing that you know everything will be downtown boston last christmas chair in terms of legislative procedure  how it just i don't know enough about the process and that is precisely the reason that the planning board feels we should have representatives in to talk with us early in the process not lay senate dresses to the house then pick up would we would look to hold the meeting sometime in late september where i wanted to make again to raise my number this evening two point one is we have i have already written a letter recommending  the board had an opportunity to see her in action at a town meeting we had known that the signed by law required vision and there had been twenty years of people looking at it and saying this is effective presentation to town meeting on a topic that who could have gotten very very complicated in addition she is a lawyer and in an earlier letter and backgrounds that in which we are deficient at the moment i really want to much of what we do is to hear applications for special performance and to prepare my articles for town meeting it is very very helpful to have someone who reads plans the way i read a financial statement and that is something acquired by  experience and i would hope that the board would take that into consideration when looking at the appointments the last two people who to leave the board have both been people who understood all of us can read plans to some extent but having someone who has done that for a long time is very helpful thank you for this just kind of sort of it is that is great this is a response to i guess the question i had on friday which was the confusion of the discrepancy in our committee appointment books as to who's terms in the playing border up when i want to bring it up when you were here and i'm glad that we have a something here in front of us because it's the the printout that we had was different than the table that came with it as to who was up i just want to make sure that that everything's legal especially when the planning board makes votes that can be controversial or appealed in court that in fact everybody's legally voting properly isn't twenty fifteen to twenty sixteen not twenty seventeen as the reappointment process approaches rough you should be reappointed as an associate member to twenty one thousand i guess a does that sound right to you and then b are we being asked to vote on  committee at that point it doesn't make sense i doesn't always just as he was on he came on the war and maybe i believe the same time i did we could've and which case he would be on the same three year cycle in which case in two thousand and eleven he would have still been on the warren commission that doesn't seem right  supposedly done that you were interested they were going to your point being that it may have driven away the error could have driven away potential applicants and that was what what when did we think that his associate membership expired i don't i don't know that's the problem practice on the planning board if if someone's term expires if they haven't been been reappointed are they still appointed or are you aware that well i mean a as a practical matter people if the appointments process let us say is delayed a month or two people continue to serve in till they're successor is appointed and i believe that's to read plans the two thirds vote that the planning board needs to get on any article it brings to town meeting is a heavy lift and he was effective in presenting to town meeting thank you so much so i have submitted an application to have a sort of mini town day if you will include all time day fall festival and i submitted the applications have been back and forth to susan and it seems as though we sort of have the ducks in a row what we were considering is closing the common street from the trip hello road just to the edge of the businesses at p so that it's just this one sort of business district we can't close to palo bus lines safety margin partners let us know that which is obvious and then the other piece was just a little bit of crushing out  way on the other side of the u p s you know that we want to try to incorporate as many businesses in cushing square in this event as possible and it's really hard to try to incorporate the trip hello road businesses without closing the streets and we thought having this little section of pushing out just literally up to the end of the business district there so i think it's number nine is the belmont dental the lindens lab not even to i was even quarter that because we don't need to block those people out of their homes if we just close off just to the edge of the business after just belmont lab and there's also the construction on the back of alinsky going on so we want to keep people away from that anyway you know i think if we close it that you know number nine pushing out which is the end of the business district so what it allows us to do is really sort of bring more people to the neighborhood i've gotten some sponsors for this event a couple of landlords have sponsored savings has fostered us and so we've got a little money behind this to do a sort of bigger event but i do want to say what's come to light in the last week th association who either read the minutes or was at the meeting or because it's and so we have contacted the president of the board of the bethel temple and she's actually said it was an in mistake you still have it you may offend some people you may not offend some people but she feels as though if it went on that would be ok but what i want to ask all of you is what is the that friday then right probably and said years earlier today the you know you're going to get to see so this it's because of where columbus day is falling that's given us a little tricky things so i was all set to come in here do it i think that might be a little harder to pull off given the timing of it because i now have sort of the wheels in motion with this and i have for the last few months i mean i have no no and i just i did not plan on having this discussion but you know it's well now so that the board meets next week on the seven right so maybe we can find a date well i guess know the business is there a been suffering without the parking lot of things and i've just been working hard to make this happen so if it is just coming back that's great if i don't have to go through he'll sort of the whole application process again then yeah that's i don't think it would be any reason to unless there's some major event going on this is discussed we want everybody in the lives so it will contact the departments and make sure that no one has any information that we don't have and so should i obviously get to another know our last meeting we had given you a summary of the status and we had a number of items to go back and check on and felicity you have a well we have a summary of those items and one item half of the capital the fixed cost allocation and the other half will be twenty five twenty two thousand five hundred per year for each year of the five year term and that the other portion of analyzed it and it seems that it would come up with roughly the same amount of capital for the media center so we would recommend approval of that proposal and that was the last item that we want to do they provide  have highlighted those sections of the contract and we have reached out to their engineering firm they are looking at your location for your specific address and one road you like to play the  we have reached out to them again and in that instance the section is three point one which defines the service area and it allows them the provider to make an assessment in terms of  e cannot access under reasonable terms and conditions and after good faith negotiations as determined and development of the licensee are unable to provide cable for technical reasons or with or means require nonstandard facilities which are not available on a commercially reasonable basis then they have that exception and section three point one of the existing licenses and that language is also in the ongoing so it can't be cost prohibitive unless that one person wants to pay the entire cost of it so the engineers are looking at the circumstances in that neighborhood to do those exceptions comprise fifty percent of the community you know they comprise twenty five i don't have a percentage for you i know that when we get questions that have been addressed to us about the fact that they're unable to get a rise in service in a location we follow up with the company and we make sure that that answer for which they can't have service we had someone who was service they own the building the owner of the building didn't want to allow service so that falls under the circumstance when they were unable to negotiate and that would allow you know there's you know the answer to that i think that there's a difference here between commercial and residential and i think i think  in residential which is what glen wrote is i think there's a high likelihood that they will be successful in being able to provide service it's not a new development it's an old development i don't understand why they haven't provided service there and we will follow up on that we have asked them already and they are going to come back with an answer is glenroe the only residential area that's in this situation it's the only one that has been brought to our attention like you know i mean in the past they've done and they fix some other areas but i just recently that their commercial benefit to install files whenever for morse drives absolutely and i think phyllis was quoting the actual language but in practical sense they have strong most of them and i there  very few exceptions not provided service so many i mean i commend them for that and but there may be some isolated spots residentially where maybe they've missed but i also think the reason it's in the contract in the first place is that you don't want to get a license for somebody who's not providing the service fifty percent community right you know what you want somebody who's covering your community with the exception of exceptions so and for residential i don't believe it's fifty i mean it's minuscule i mean we're not provided it is an exception and in fact in some cases we've had as we've discussed before it's been because a road or right of way has recently been paved or is not eligible for any changes there are from the last time we talked about this to this time i have the july thirteenth memo from mr epstein is there anything else or is that the date of the contract the license is has a different date on it because we're in and  different day today and the other factor was that there is a reference that not only for the franchise recovery cost but also for the capital costs there are two provisions for which there are payments made to the town and they had two different descriptions of the forty and so they've been consistent on both of them now one was to allow payment to me directly to the license to the in massachusetts to actually put it on line if we can get her contract signed and our letter out so we are working on that and i will have to wear makeup or something that that letter will be issued this is the contract is next on this work i mark and please thank the members of the cable television  that was the people that we had been working with direct energy were claiming to be there were going to be imminently laid off so we were quickly to get an alternative the first offer was twenty five thousand dollars we sort of this one of the really didn't quite make what the previous offer had been in the preclude dealing with who was probably actually laid off as we speak was able to get the corporate entities that stricken to donate twenty nine thousand dollars in lieu of their fifty thousand on the installation they don't make  a cash donation so it's less yes it is less i almost half yes so it's recommended that you consider approving this yeah that would be used for energy efficient and the good news that a donor who wishes to remain anonymous thank you you know i'm a stoner has reached out to me marty offering to make up the difference to ensure there will be able to follow through with their original plan the solution with the new installer why would we just do that they procured a rail forty someone panels will be fifty thousand dollars maybe more and i've since got information that that donation is not unlimited that may have been a limit to itself we're still we're still betting this out which way we need to go with it i would say every chinese solar panels are not off the table i just don't think we're making it public commitment to do that exact budget credit so we learned some more which if i may so from my point of view it's fine to accept this gift to be put towards town discretion i think that's terrific i think one of the priorities that we should absolutely consider special we get donations is to put the solar panels in the chili mills but i agree i mean i think if you go down to the belmont hill school on the gym we've had meetings there and they have them and they have the if we can preserve the plan to move forward with an energy efficiency project that might that would certainly be one of the things that is i guess what i'm suggesting is i think i'd like to us to so i understand the point but what i'm saying is that can for me let's accept the twenty nine thousand dollars give thank you directed energy solar but also with a priority that will still pursue using those find this is in addition to any donations w if we can get to the number that we need to get so we can pursue that thinking there's another approach that could work and that is that if we didn't receive this gift we would be twenty you know the like company has revenues of twenty four million dollars and they make last in two thousand and sixteen they paid two point four million we might be able to carve some money out of that  intention was to put it put it in a rail and general school i think we can do that in more than one way and this is my point and you know i mean i guess the question also about the money from direct energy was there a contract that they would provide the free array if we sold so many if they sold so many solar arrays residentially in the town anything enforceable to get the full fifty out of them i don't know the answer is that it was a it was not a  they weren't really talking hard cash they were talking about putting the over a where we were where we wanted it so some of the gift obviously is the equipment cost but the other part of the gift would be the installation which they would accomplish through their their gift from direct denise in that she saw in the amount of twenty nine thousand dollars which may be put towards energy conservation measures at the time and discussion but their priority  from that meeting until after four so he's already who yes he was here earlier and there were a number there were quite a few people at that meeting and a term and i think that they would continue by the sea they've been sort of leading this charge again with all towns because the m b t a wants i guess signed some contract to install these really large poles along the track so the riders can have y fire understand which seems like it considering you can get it why fine an airplane why flying of us and why flying cars why they need to put up poles to get why find a train i don't understand but nevertheless that's what they're trying to do and by doing that they're putting up a c n d yeah they're putting up fifty to seventy five foot poles all along the railroad road and of course man just a by the sea is looking to get several of them and they are irate so they pushed back and you may have read in the globe that the n p t put a thirty day hold on it to consider and it sounds like they're solicitation for input on that matter and that historic district commission to respond to that was we got in here that motion and so the matter was that was on the agenda for the fiscal management control board rod i mean to be found to be fair on one part it's the the robber there was depressed so it would start down in the hole and come out but nevertheless it's thought to be fifty feet above the ground at least so it's a pretty and i don't know any of the other day of the deal thing that they're doing which is different which has got some safety issues that they're doing some other mechanical thing using yes some train controls along the tracks which obviously safety is paramount but why fight just seems like a not not not necessary to go putting massive polls all throughout the city like that physical challenges that the teco yeah so i mean the list is something i'm glad the fellas and jeffrey been going on that jeffrey went to the hearing today to represent belmont because we didn't know what they were discussing because their agenda just said update us and something hear anything so i think you know they're having the meeting on august fourteenth which is inconvenient because it's august fourteenth but we're having a meeting on august seventh why don't we when it craft a letter objecting to it and send it off i mean what would be the reason not to do that ok what you get what goes into like this sentiment would be the same but what goes in the letter might be informed by what jeffrey heard at the hearing today no i understand i'm talking about an agenda item i wanted  else so now we're going to mark for the routes behind it if you debbie vassily and so one of the one of the approaches that we've recently taken is we know at the high schools moving forward clearly the support there for that we support that as well but there are acute issues in needs both the d p w facility for him of course personnel in the police station for the personnel as well as perhaps safety issues there and so we've been starting to look at whether we could have short term so called short term solutions to those two facilities short term meaning within the next ten years so that's not that short term in terms of taking care of some of the issues as w and police and we hired a consultant by the name of simms money and a key associates that looked at both building and said what can we do in terms of personnel matters and d p w is there a short term fix to ensure that the facility for the personnel is adequate on the separate you know restrooms for men and women and shower facilities and sort of change the conditions of the company operate in the same similarly for the police station in terms of you've been over there and taken the as just to hear i d s so we're going to continue to meet throughout the summer like and have a presentation to tell me in the fall in terms of a path forward in terms of the need to build the product in a que and also funding so that we fund fundaments what of a sequential way we fund a mall together we look at all sort of funding options and opportunities and we also think about this in this way we know there's any significant funding need for the high school we fully support that i fully support that sometime in the near future what do we do with these other foot build these you know how do we find that we do it all together and do we do it based on is it a full rebuild  police or is it a partial sort of addressing short term issues and then thinking more long term so sort of just give me a sense of sort of the debate i was just taking place within his means no easy answers clearly primarily because of the cost of course but we hope to have a more substantive report beyond what was already presented this past you know time meeting in the forward some real thoughts about you know how we move forward for all of the buildings what we haven't forgotten about the skating rink that's more of a private partnership approach we haven't talked about that that much but for those advocates for the skating rink we'll let you know that it's on top of my for me and also a major couple project working  it i think that's a that's a great i like the approach i like the short term long term i think you guys are doing great work you clearly have a very experienced knowledgeable team and really looking forward to what the results are i'm glad to finally after all these stops and starts the mega group and the other things we've done or we try to do this and doesn't happen to finally get all of our ducks in a row tee up all these projects and start getting to them that you have nicely done appreciate it i mean snow which trying to get as much input as possible i mean with a bunch of folks reading with it them as well so trying to get as much input as possible keep the foot on the pedal if i'd like to know if we think of the buildings there are we maintaining our current plant if we refer to the buildings as plant in your opinion are we maintaining the buildings properly you know that's a good question it's not something that we have sort of focused on in the detail way but it's certainly a point of view that we've expressed to gerry boyle when we met with him terms of the need to continue to sort of focus on maintenance for the buildings that we're not considering right now so that we don't for that will fall into disrepair as these have and i think he has mentioned that the repair budget has increased over time i think one of the means he did say it's simply not enough to do everything we need to do because i think and budgets have not addressed this as perhaps they should have been addressed and i know in the in the banking world if you're lending money to a company you want to make sure that the money that spent or capital expenditures are least equal to depreciation i mean it's a great point to me and i agree with you and i ask the question and i don't think we are spending as much as we need to spend what do it now there are others that were told not you know a while ago that we have to ensure or maintain an appropriate weight on to visit those in five years no at a very backroad level one of the reasons television can impose real estate taxes because of it you're right we have an obligation to provide education so i think you know i think the high school you know even though it's a big number that that's something that you know will get the community's attention with regard to these other services where do we stand on the mare whatever question are we going to number is i think would be i think glad to bring it up mr trying to be a good idea to get this because the law is so new it was been revised so heavily from what the referendum was right to get some memo from town council so we know what we need to do by when this we have a town meeting coming up in the fall if it's something we want to put on there and get town meeting the way again on the issue that might be wise you know we actually have and no i mean we don't have to go into it in detail but the point is that in the last week we have been exchanging well i think what i'm saying is that yeah we are but not for building them all in ten years but also looking at them is their short term and frankly i say that the short term maybe the solution meaning that can we afford to do it all you know you center a site to accommodate for say a police station that did the heavy story so you know i think one of the things that we've been talking about it's come up before is do we approach this in a way that we could eventually commercialize once we get commission a li