it's through so called in title and grants like title wants some of it comes through discretionary grants that are received by application we're fortunate in belmont to have the foundation for belmont education of course which generally contributes close to a quarter of a million dollars a year to the various programs and activities of the school department virtually well every school has its own p t a or p t o and they often raise funds anywhere between ten and twenty thousand dollars to support instruction of one one way or another and now over these past many years now going into decades there have been user fees for all the  extra curricular activities ranging from football to orchestra to drama total trend as reported in the report indicates that we move from about eight percent of the total cost of operating the school system through supplemental funding sources of all kinds putting in time the grants to almost twelve percent now increasingly more and more of the support that is if you taxed not tax sources and specially for recommendations that are coming from the committee one is that the town in cooperation with the school committee had developed a naming rights  a pilot grant through a corporate interests i consulting fundraiser who would actually spend some time for the school department developing  philanthropist others who might be contributing to the schools through advertising or otherwise and of course the committee and knowledge is that three years ago there was a extracurricular taskforce that had been formed on  n sharpens leadership and that group had recommended to the extent possible if you want a more compassionate application of user fees perhaps differentiating depending upon numbers of people in  family and so on right now those fees are frozen they're not going up but they're not going down and there's a recommendation that as we look to the future we should be exploring other kinds of resources other than the report if you term of the questions of a fascinating point in time the naming rights policy so that's a recommendation but the school committees to review that and decide you know what they do they're even going to go further it would be a  burdened also those schools districts that have policies in conjunction with so wellesley has one right there it's there it's oh it's the saying for the buildings but there can be often tension to that people people in the community get weary of see multiple signs all over the place and for for businesses as well it's it's sound they don't want to invest hundreds of thousands of dollars in something when have we think we need a name right because he is leaving even when you're on the board we've been talking about this for quite some time so we look forward to let's get it moving and i think it's primarily for a couple projects and on the fund raising side that was so you're good perspective you can tell the difference between the professional fund raiser and if you will the honest applicant the out of step with a tends to know more about the business and what they're going to do with the money in that fashion moderator that doesn't mean community that say both with individuals or corporations to sort of raise additional money for the schools and there are other ways in which the developed resources that are necessarily directly financial for example we have a right granted federal or state grants to the extent that other communities are available or are eligible for and so i think the conversation was is if we were able to hire a professional grant writer and basic the net to see if there are some on funded programs such as stam or other kinds of things that what if we did a professional reach to say belmont has this plan for a different program  and i think that's where that this is going to see what is the reality of it that there could be a way in which this becomes a kind of act like position that blends that grants manager with the grants that developer because grants management is is a out on this on this on this study by the study group i mean i've always thought in the downside i think we do a decent job and we should have stopped at the time mistress office could we combine on this i mean is there other grant opportunities for not only in the minute like i gree in the management side but also on the rewriting side you know sort of obscure agreements that are out there perhaps who knows i mean we have we explored it fully the extent that we can knowing full well that we're considered a more of an affluent community so perhaps we don't get as many federal stake rance and we could combine on the position time let's say right to be a grant writer for both the schools and not to diminish the work that's done for the schools all the time to get kind of e mails on that and other sort of not that i don't think we do a bad job but is there more that we can be doing in that if you feel we distinguishing between professional grant writing and professional fundraiser good fundraising originally professional fund raising and that's one side of the coin of rational grant writing is a totally different one in and got it's not totally different i think it depends exactly how you sculpt the job that you're right if you're if organization gets ninety percent whether there might be a tannery for whatever the police do it because they get some percent more than they would get otherwise but the people giving the money have no idea that ninety percent of the money is going over eighty percent of the money is going to a it's a grassroots type effort so there's no coordination really very little coordination not no coordination or very little coordination between you know the town fact they had some obstacles from the town when they first started it ok so i mean it it it  it's going to be a way to cooperate with those people and maybe give them some guidance in terms of what we would really like them to do but i mean you know i had my fifty fifty at that school reunion a while ago and it was an in some cases the rec department is a part of that for or often they're run by the town but they're using the school facilities for and many of the pools are self supporting for their indoor pools are self supporting or  full but they also use other facilities when they're not being used to generate revenues for either the town or the school or in the case of acton box for its school prom because it's a consolidated school district in the case of milford it been running since one nine hundred seventy four that's called the community use program so that's another thing that i think from the from the revenue taskforce will be looking at that because that look particularly at the school facility is having an change the issue about pilot payments is moving forward so i think they're again meeting frequently and gathering data so i think and again i think there is word i think that committees in the point of discussions about as and said about taking a look at coming up with some models or some alternatives with regard to parking revenues and trying to get a sense of what opportunities may be available for restructuring some of our parking fees or types of parking or additional parking areas that may generate some additional revenue got currently doesn't exist so i know that's not what's that that is what they're working out  and the high school fortunately since last you have that passed the other would also that project now is on track other issues though that we kind of push off to the side don't think about would certainly have a document as a tool for all of these projects and that will help us maybe zero in on can we create a template and an order of these projects killfile the zero in on what's the me as long as we have a c p a that you know that's this something that there's a it could be some funds available to we store that building but the question is how can we take that building into it into a revenue generating there is some of it this is some there's been some discussion i think the story discussion mike smith was down there trying to figure out what's what they could do with them but it's it's interesting oh me oh here historic district or whatever you know create a plan and file an application like this yeah yeah but we i think it needs that first kick that it needs a it needs a direction to say hey look you know come up with five ideas let's pick one of the five and then let's put  put together good to go out and do it and you know the farmer's market farmers education center you know as a as a community education center for agricultural to china  joe that's got to go by and see this place that there are significant projects that this community is faced with and snot a five year plan it's more like a twenty year plan and frankly stabilization fund although we have not been a fortune been able to see that further take care of ongoing maintenance issues because when things fall into disrepair eventually have to replace them and we have to was your problem well it's a long time ago and as mark says there will be more and more issues there which if we're not to go out with the right on the problem and become much more expensive just the issue and you've mentioned this before time currently provide that are needs that we are currently on matt so that task is taking place shortly to finish that we've already met with our own tom winchester and have some information from them and  then basically then will regroup and basically see what kind of reporting we're ready to issue to the group and then on the modeling group basically there's a rough draft that i will be reviewing which will then allow me to get think it's necessary i think we need to flush out a subgroup to see if the two sample to arab communities that we use are representative and we certainly based upon the next topic may have the time to do a couple  right we first initially match i think we all agreed we had a impish a schedule and i think that the good news is i think that the subgroups of been working very hard to upon some of the information that we provided you early on if you look at at the end of the timeline we were looking to finalize our report sometime in august and i think as we have  on and i think the rushing to get to an august timeline doesn't seem prudent at this point so i think that we are potentially scheduled to have a fall town meeting which i think probably based upon the work that needs to be done and the additional collection of data that needs to be done in some feedback that needs to be coordinated that basically were wiser to basically push out our august deadline to sometime in early fall just to allow us enough time to do a credible and professional job in print presentation to town meeting and public so i would  again trying to get feedback from the folks around the table but basically rework rework the timeline have that available for the next meeting with some milestones of where we need to convey that complete so the folks understand where the charges between now and let's say the fall about getting stuff done and sort of putting it in a again i think one of our challenges is going to be is what i think all the groups of collective good information and it's really h to put the information in a summary format with that the with the backup is the detail but do work on executives summary to sort of synthesize on the things that we've talked about and frankly  there's a lot of good information has been collected but we don't want to make it you know six inches worth of paper that people feel overwhelmed to try to synthesize this into a story about where the town has looked at and what the task force has accomplished and i also think that some of the work of the task force subgroups are going to have to continue into the early summer just because in some ways some of the information or decision components are not available yet i know that is probably true of the capitol to this point and i think the revenue subgroup is working and i know they're working on trying to come up with recommendations but i think they're going to need some time to sort of collect and synthesize where they think they want to recommend things to and i think ok so i think i think the good news is i think there's there's energy that's going forth with regard to the subgroups but i think that the bad news is i think that's going to require a lot more time than we initially thought but we're going to  well that's a good question i was going to ask that of the group i think it's important to continue to inform the community in terms of our efforts clearly we're on we're being taped at every meeting here so there's two sort of reports  all we can do and then in june just an update jim i would think perhaps as we are not completely certain of when actually you know no that's absolutely going to you know that's absolutely going to be considered i was going to put something together for the may tell me that it may be redundant to do something in june i don't know i think a month later we want to continue to form the community in terms of the efforts or findings rather than waiting for a final report i think it's helpful to report out to the community some rough unusual findings perhaps in june from some of the working groups i could see that  precinct meeting prior to the june tell me it's not a lot of time there's only thirty two point four weeks so i wait something in there because we do have a report out that we need to have a pretty mean to talk about minuteman high school issues and then maybe just a brief there to talk about the financial task force when we sort of threat came up with this idea about having a future taskforce we met with them in the give us some thoughts about that and you know i think you might know they've had two recently a very successful significant opera you know right which from my point if you were going to look at some point here and so it's helpful to understand you know exactly how they went about your educating the community on these issues and bringing people together to talk about them i don't think it's a comparable community process because of their size and have a significant commercial basis well so i think we might expand in terms of at least my experience of winchester healthcare issues learn that you know collective bargaining issues it's the same kinds of things that we deal with and you know other than some fights about health care and innovation around some of you know ways to contain costs perhaps through wellness programs which i thought was somewhat innovative we might bring to bear and it wasn't a lot of other things  that came to light but i think what it creates still frankly from least for me is you know going to go there and find a silver bullet you just not but it keeps if we keep the dialogue open with winchesters of the world and a communities you talk about we're wrestling with these same issues maybe collectively we can come up with some ideas i think we're going to from my point of view i think since we are extending our timeline you might think this is separate from what we met but what talked about establishing guidelines around the utilization of free cash which is a hot topic term budget season part of the board level work committee level school committee level and i think we've been prudent and i think we've exercise good judgment on the use of that but you know so he sent us a policy that they adopted their board adopted which are they could be helpful for us so you get your new ideas the things that they're working on and i think we gave him some thoughts about what we're doing so they kick this was one more time the community that i certainly would sit down and talk with us by the way i know their distance from us but they are so much like us in terms