bill baker is here and we've been talking basically about some of the fall out from the from the recent snow storms some major complaining about snow removal and so forth mostly by the state but also it city hammond and some other folks dermot made some pretty deep comments on friday about crippling the local government and eventually that's going to show up in services bill baker and i have been talking about this but right now i we have chancellor qian actually comes up in ten minutes so he's just sitting there talking as an individual doing chancellor grade how are you this morning bill baker talking and both you guys run larger  bills you know obviously much smaller thing than you're doing but he's he's got six million dollars come in and he has two people working for that whole organization you're running a situation and produce cal that is  increasingly budget conscious it seems so you guys have something in common here anything oh absolutely we always have to work within the realm of the money that we have and i see more and more and to take it out of the political right now and wall street journal did a real nice expos on this last sunday about the increasing expectations out of education to get better results for the money that's put into it and some folks are resisting that but there's also seems like there's a lot of people that are like you know what it shouldn't go up eight percent a year no matter what well you know one of the things that you need to look carefully though is that  you know state support for universities has been declining across the nation particularly for the last six or seven years so if you're a university you have very few choices you either start doing more with less or you do put some of the burden on to the student by increasing tuition and what universities have been doing is probably putting more burden on to the students and people are starting to be concerned about that and ask you ghost to either slow that down or stop increasing tuition but in either case we find ourselves probably in the same situation as any  to modify the way things are being done now i don't know if this is the means that means you lay people off exactly right sometimes you have to you know isn't that what you know isn't that what technology does did we see what happened at the mills in the eighty's that's exactly what happened i mean so  goes back to what we had talked about before in my opinion you're going to wait for trauma before you address it i mean remember when we were in high school the guy you know goes to the mill leans on a broom for twenty bucks an hour and sleeps i go  its own weight and why are we going to wait for that kind of trauma before things are going to happen and you know before we came on the air i asked the chancellor i go if i question you chancellor of the organization of my against education i sure as heck hope not because i want better education i want more efficient education i want more people to be able to do that but he works for the government i mean that's his full time job not mine but if you're western ng how he's using his resources and if the state is putting too much money towards higher education are you anti education there you go i mean if i can by all means no but i mean if i question it that's going to be the first thing that happens in the political arena which all tax dollars brings politics into it whether you and i or the chancellor likes it or not that's just the way it is so if i go to you and i in the chancellor says i need twenty million dollars whatever and i go and i remind straight i don't need to lean against higher education not the fact that the twenty million dollars should be for eight more buildings it should be for renovating what we have and providing more services to the students in my opinion and he's going to have a different view of it because he's already done the things ready to go to be in front of that budget committee you know chance bill brings up something out chance or comes a number of different educational students but he's not too far off that in the one nine hundred seventy s you could get a job at that melon if you really didn't want to work you could fizzle your way around  holding a broom and maybe sleep in a little bit at night time now your industry demands a lot more well absolutely but that's absolutely true of every industry as well as municipalities you know when i was a child growing up in massachusetts you know we always knew that there was one city worker working the pick and two people hanging there on their shovel i mean that was the way life was i would agree with that on the other side of it is you know why are we here and one of the reasons we're here is that we're still in the midst of an economic crisis that isn't result when we have low unemployment and there's lots of money flowing through the system there's less concern for efficiency which is true in business as well as in the public sector what we don't do well anywhere is have a thorough understanding of what is efficiency you know another words we don't do a very good job in the united states looking at what is the optimum amount of effort put forward to get the outcome that we want we don't measure that well and we've never had to measure well in times of economic crisis then all of a sudden we get concerned with measuring these things and looking at the outcomes when we're rich and happy true with business too you know you put a lot of fluff in well you know i agree chancellor efficiency is very subjective it's like reasonable i mean you know you get three people they're going to have three different definitions but i think with one thing in the private sector that we're seeing now with a bunch of cash and things happening now you see it with the stock market we're in economy where it's a challenge as far as what's going on out on the street but the hoarding so much cash that their stock prices keep going up they haven't really it's an efficient use of resources well you know if you're if you're sack holder it is if you're incentivized as being the guy having to do with your stock price you want to make that stock price but on another level of not being able to define efficiency correctly it is in the in the longer greater good it's probably a bit of a hindrance it isn't the same thing with education is that honestly looking from the outside  getting to know more and more about pretty callen some of these other institutions where i'm sending my kids i'm still i don't know what's efficient are what's not efficient i have no idea if you're running things efficiently and well that's government though and if you challenge government you look at it whether it's the local school system or the university system all of a sudden people give you the stink eye hey what are you doing speaking of think that you've got to go in your time's up thanks