sarno i'm a town meeting member in precinct three first i want to thank all of you for taking the time to serve in agreeing to be on a committee i've been on committees i know it's a lot of work and we appreciate it so thank you to answer your question i'm of the mind that i would be very concerned about the lack of transparency if two members can meet and it's not in public eye i think you you may want to recall recently with a five member planning board two members under open meeting there was no i'm very concerned in fact that will be my major concern is the lack of transparency i want that with our elected selectman so thank you for asking a select men's meeting was seem to me to be extremely in effect i'm on boards that are larger and we periodically two or three of us will talk about something you know an issue may come up or we know something is going to come up and we just kind of want to you know me i think it's extremely inefficient i appreciate your reference to the to the planning board but what happened in that was two members brought forth something and other people reacted to it and it was he  charles my former town meeting member current member of the belmont ip advisory committee i agree entirely with what the last speaker just and you know ironically if reverse what a cur because right now never having been to select men but having known a few and knowing their schedules that is a very very time better solution overall and i think you might find that you have more people interested in becoming a select one or a select woman so i agree i think expanding  the board at this point in time is something that should be seriously considered i would also love to hear if there are any in the room and i know there is one former selectman on the committee exactly how former selectman and for that matter president once feel about this thank you is a real and binding constraint because it prohibits any communication between two we have lots of other committees in our community that are more than three members and it seems to me that their ability to talk outside the committee does not outside the committee meetings does not result in this opaque in transparent process first off those folks can't talk serially with each other and reach deliberations so it seems to me that the notion that expanding the board beyond three is going to result in some sort of opaque untransparent governance in our community is a bit of a canar problem why since you're asking for opinions i think that it is likely that expanding the board would people who will be on the selectmen and it doesn't seem to me that you need to have a grudge match to eliminate one of them it to conserve affectively that was kind of the position that i took back when there was  few years ago some discussion about reducing the size of town meeting it seems to me that there's a limit on more the merrier but i think the this body ought to be focused more on what is most he'll have people serve for two and a half year terms and one in april and november and in any sort of creativity that way so that you don't end up with say as an example that is why it is a town how competitive election when a town that seems very similar charles smart again because i don't agree with i don't think that's i mean i could be wrong but i think there would be a normalizing effects not going to let that get out of again i don't come with a strong opinion but it does seem to me that the focus on an odd number of a select is only to avoid a tie vote and i have talked to members and former members of the school committee to say how often with our committee of six was there a tie  of them can't remember any incident of a tie vote at all so it seems to me that if that's the sole goal for an odd number of people on the board trying to have a reasonably smooth election dynamic so that we don't have this you know uncompetitive two year cycle and a competitive one year cycle where the person who wins in that one year was held to a different standard or competed in a different environment maybe something to consider online so if you don't find them let me know and i'll be happy to ask for them for you state election they would want fed no now they can transfer it in a local town election so we've had someone who raised money as a school didn't use all that money and transferred the key for the committee and filed with us  write has a lot more experience in town governance than i do and i certainly have don't know the selectmen experience firsthand i would agree with roy that when it comes to issues of debating larger seats on various other committees and liaison duties and it would seem logical to me that the more a selectman there are the last time anyone selectman spends on those duties i don't an a feeling for how big a percentage of the select person's job you know that takes i do know you know if you're of a of liaison to the war committee and you have two others that's a lot if you only have the one committee  your your your time is if it's less intrusive on your time and to the extent that our selectmen are dealing with myriad of small issues but with a larger board there may  be an ability and an incentive to delegate some of the recommendations and the details of some of those smaller issues to anyone you know to individual select men and other select men will defer to their expertise or their decision making so there may be a way to break down some of the job of the selectmen with a larger board charles smart present sex as i said before i think expanding the board is basically a good thing and it would i think issues so they can concentrate on the more important or salient policy issues and maybe that should be part of you know the goal at i know in the past it's been suggested the town administrator absorb more responsibility now in some of these towns with five maybe they will operate with the town again a quick thought it occurs to me that two members of this committee have served committee before and we certainly haven't a school committee now one of the ways to answer this question about do more members result in less workload per person would be to query the school committee if the school committee has suddenly shrunk from six people to three people how would that impact the workload of any one school committee member that may be a way to help answer the question about will there be time savings and for selectman if the board were to get larger any comments you  to two selectman could have a spouse or could have a partner could have dependents so there could be as many as people being covered on the health about to come to all the meetings it's possible that you our liaison to one fewer committee but now you have a subcommittee so that is what i see the positive i've heard from people that for me the only pressure that it takes off i think you just as much work i'm worried about the transparency issue i know that you've already but there's two things i'm not sure that you've discussed and it has to do with expertise i saw the last question in my comment doesn't really have to do with that we have a certain number of committees that people participate in in town so we have the warrant committee we have school committee we have the planning board we have the zoning board of appeals all of these different committees going from three to five dozen and i see those as training grounds you know the most of our selectmen come from one of those places they have been on town meeting they have gotten involved more significantly in the town in some way and then they decide to run for selectman at a point where they have a really good understanding of what's happening and the issues increasing the size of the selectmen doesn't increase the training grounds so there are certain number of people who decide that they want to run for selectman i don't believe that of those people involved in different boards have more of them and you have more people if you like you don't have a whole lot more people deciding to run and so then everybody who runs gets on and that really is a value and is and having these issues discussed and you know choosing the best person instead of just any wants to do it gets on the board because nobody else is running so i think there's a value in the process and so that really worries me about the five and then related to that is that if that does happen then you want i think you wind up with factions and it when you have three people there is a real pressure i guess to come to some consent and sometimes you do have to do one decisions it does happen but the three work very hard to try to agree and when you have five i think you wind up with question i have is in exploring towns that have gone from three to five or a larger number what has been the primary motivation for those towns to do that and if they democrat in conjunction with  you to start the public process by asking people in the town what are they thinking and so i do not only appreciate the work that you are spending on this important issue but i do appreciate the process of asking for input before you reach conclusions or recommendations i do hope that prior to town meeting will be another opportunity for us to hear what you're thinking about before those recommendations are set in stone but i very much appreciate that the first we're still thinking it does so does anybody on the committee want to say anything at this point from precinct two i joined the committee i asked to be on the committee because i have mixed feelings about them and with all that was chided i still have bits feelings and i also tell the committee the first night we met we all said why we were there