issue first and first glance with the board has said essentially is that it's hard for them to take the position that the mere filing of a grievance is a violation of the national labor relations act we have to look beyond that because i think what's happened is the unions position has shifted its pliable and it's transparent they're looking at this provision of the contract that is typically called an after acquired  seven provides that very very basic protection to employees which is that they should not have union representation without the showing if you already support that's what relations there are so you're saying this is illegal without the implication that there's a the state of arbitration in this record initially that it was issued pending the outcome of the board charges and the court itself said that reading the grievance it is hard to fathom how the union is not seeking representational rights without showing the jordie support the board didn't go so far as to look at the representational rights essentially saying during their investigation that no violation of the act had yet been committed as if to say th they said they merely wanted an advisory opinion as to what this clause matt well there's no necking isn't in the contract for an arbitrator to issue an advisory opinion on alvey say there are people in place doing this work that would be covered by if you read the provision out and had the union first got majority support than it would have been able to trigger supplemental agreement nine and then perhaps we have a dispute have they also said well supplemental agreement number nine means that we get access to the silly as we as we choose then that may have t well that's actually very good question and i don't think that there is anything if they cannot do i mean they have the right to try and organize these people these are independent contractors inventors of the company think perhaps that could form a dispute later on the li you represent raytheon yes i do you have people working in san diego in the parking unit classifications not to my understanding in this particular south this is all about they said there are people in place doing this kind of work these are an offer they offer east the opportunity to represent them we did not say and i read them saying look you obligated yourself to do this and this number nine there's people down there and so we've agreements and you may have a defense these are independent contractors these are this that and everything else but their brief says you've got people in place and you should offer this to them it sounds like a garden variety grievance over people and place working for me which would have made it more interesting your honor if if the union had and there you go to section page sixty two section a one of an article of this collective bargaining agreement perhaps but that is part of the collective bargaining process then file the second grievance and the only way to implement supplemental agreement number nine is through majority support without that predicate there is nothing really further we can do there is no that as a grievance well if i'm sorry or if there are some facts associated with that for instance the union came knocking at the door at the san diego facility and we would not let them then and they said this is an access provision you're in violation for not allowing the stand if they had said it's neutrality provision which means that we would not object to union representation under section eighty of the act and we did have jacked they would say that's a violation but they've done nothing short of issues because you need to reach an understanding or you may reach a dispute you may reach a decision that that you can deal with that letter was you know in accordance with that kind of procedure and it can't be you're after a grievance has been filed in the foundation for violation of the agreement again in it becomes abstract at that point if there was a violation there would be something for us to arbitrate if the uni that then you have a dispute well if you take a look at the right are you now just not actually yes and the reason why we're denied access is because mr gast raise letter said even if you can show all of this ok i think i think the reason why is because what what mr stone and what raytheon wants to do is to impose strict rules and pleading on grievance procedures these are written by lay people they're meant for lay you know irrespective of any any demand that we make that i say no one is going to be in a flexible period and that's that's one of the reasons why you know we know they have to give you access the first time and so there's the reason i say that is because mr stone says that there's if there's a dispute over access if there's a dispute and we don't think that there's a dispute as to whether or not we have access it's just about the extent to which we have arbitration with a holding a ruling as to what the proper interpretation of us and learn it well i think i think you will the terms of the remedy that there may have to be applied but i think mouse and i showing anybody what you're trying to do i think you really damage your position materially so i'm saying well we're not going to tell you what we're going to do we're not going to tell you what this is all about and you should have known that when you got here you're going to get grilled on what the hell is this all about correct i understand you're on now you're just know i understand just your position is certainly something that i've taken a look at and i just want to make clear for the record that that the guy i've inherited this case is well yeah we've got to know what's going on here i understand what to do i and i think if anything was a white elephant that was sitting in the room i mean to say that they didn't know what that or what we meant by that is i think a real disingenuous way of spending this and i think first you have to have a collective bargaining no not at all not at all grievance that is that is at least the construct of what the arbitrary critters award may look like we'd certainly want more than two days we certainly want broader access but if you take a look at that resolution that is that just a story point as to however you know this happens at the local level by that i mean just happens at the workplace there's a knock at the door where the union we want to have access let's see what's going on and you can have access to grievances filed then maybe perhaps we get into an and and there is