half years over the last few years i joined the economic development committee i have two boys in town that go to the public schools ones at the middle school and one of the high school in general and really i been as my kids have gotten older i've been more and more interested about serving the town i have a background in fund raising and grant making an event a lot of social service type work i've also worked on with the director of regional planning for tipping county so we've got a lot of connections that it really like to utilize and help our town become more vibrant only have one hundred feel about the water sewer commission i hear they're a great group of people they are it's a serious we're dealing with a serious issue in our time and i have a feeling one way or the other  i appreciate that people are willing to step forward and volunteer their time in a very difficult issue and i'd like to learn more about where we're at in the process and how we can resolve this in a way that serves everyone but also addresses  so i do i am familiar with working with different size sizes and some can be get some issues with not quite knowing where all the sources are coming from little budget thing that i gave you practically showed some of those numbers it don't show up in the police department budget i think if you look at the overall spending the next year is pretty much greater than target and they could look at the line items they're kind of skewed a little bit but she when you look at the summary lines it shows they overspent one room two hundred sixty two thousand and was three hundred four thousand but in reality we really yes we did spend it but what the budget doesn't show is that we we have contracts now for providing that service and also richmond elementary and general sort of now picked up five days a week that s r o that started the second half of last year so we're going to be showing the salaries a little bit differently to reflect those you'll be able to identify those expenditures with the revenue lines but in doing that we've also hired another officer in  of losing somebody and so we also spent a little more into spatial data that hasn't finally worked itself out yet but we'll be talking more about that as the budget process  everything you do in a car today you're running that car constantly with computers and video cameras and rechargeable flashlights and police radios and radios everything else we carry in there you can't just shut the car off because a lot of times if you shut it off too long and leave the stuff on restart they are there running all the time basically the problem with that is you know that last one that two thousand and eight in jedi in power had a hundred  because we currently have a two thousand and ten in our out there on the market so when i last wrote i was driving so i opted not to fix it as a transmission  so in a way gave you was a memo if you project some of those mileage that were trying to keep the cars at least four years you know that's barring anything that we don't perceive accident major damage like two years ago we lost one to an accident we lost one that we can keep buying these cars it's just not cost effective i would like to do next year when our lease will be up early and that we currently least want the year that we lost two cars the accident in the engine we bought one car and we leased one car it was a three year lease that lease will be up at the end of this year next year proposing that we actually purchase two cars what we won't because we have a small window that we have to order these between a town meeting day and when we have to get t in which is usually by the first or second week of april we'll take that second car in the hole that you know we want automatically issue it out and trying to get this mileage cycle down so maybe six months later you know one of the cars it's around one thousand miles or it becomes so cost efficient to try to keep repairing it then we'll get rid of that car and cycle into the new car and we can do that i put in that capital budget to purchase a lease program which you can also go back to that purchased one least one likes at our lease program will be up for lease payment will be up on the one of the two thousand and twelve in his cycle and then that car becomes  it's ours but if you look at the mileage they gave you ma'am they think two thousand and eleven caprice i'm driving right now what i just got has got sixty one thousand miles on it we have two two thousand two outs you know the mileage is ours starting to get up we have a two thousand and thirteen sorry got over thirty thousand miles the project at over four year cycle that's over one hundred twenty thousand miles that's too many miles on a police car resource officer so pretty much he is working patrol one day a week and he works the camel some four days a week and i have another officer work the electrical right now one day a week and where i also did as i rotated a vehicle so we got one of the vehicles i put in swap would record to try keep the mileage down but the other problem is you know they're running six seven days a week one particular car going to the two thousand and twelve just because of the way schedule falls it's running every day every day and the miles just keep building and building those to two thousand dollars are probably going to you know they'll be well over a hundred thousand miles in their four year cycle for years compared to me we can afford to guard the fact that we had budgeted for it and we i didn't know we're going to lose two cars either i got one right after the other i think the overall the financial thing is about eight hundred a little bit more than that i think it really worked out to be about thirty thousand dollars over three years instead of twenty straight six stages of the purchase price so for us that was the only option we had that  to get out of that cycle right so my first question i think you answered it there was there's really no increase here in the gas and diesel line and that you're not actually having a car in this scenario proposing here not adding an operating car you're adding a backup that will then replace something that's removed from service that's correct right so there's no additional operating a vehicle at the time ok question so the question is on the board so the safety i appreciate it somewhat intangible in terms of repair costs how do you kind of for i mean is it can you predict a lower repair cost her sort of places often oh well yeah could you buy one  that two thousand and ten was just about three thousand dollars and that wasn't a brand new transmission that was a rebuilt transmission the two thousand and ten if we kept that car that we needed  transmission it wouldn't last it won't last another year when the transmission is and i've been going to the local hardware store and buying the lucas oil transmission treatment and dumping it in to keep it going but want to put on the docket to for more well for the other thing i'm proposing for a dish year that should go somewhere in the capital budget which is separate from the current rate is the video cameras i'm a firm believer in video camera  they stop a lot of things that you know we see on t v all the times complaints of police officers did this police officer that will have been doing this thirty seven years when i was a station commander i  capri or the compound i grow we've kind of scabs that we're keeping that for part because you can't get parts for these anymore but these cameras the good ones range anywhere from you know four of the six thousand  for one videogame what is the life there their life expectancy is three to five years and you got three of them that we got ten years out of right now right there and they're the old technology the new ones or did the new and you can get where you are there what you drive up to the office here it downloads everything right into the computer and what we have right now the old ones is we have a desk and we have this and the new ones also have a three to five year life expectancy yeah that's that's why they were upper three year warranty right versus you may get more than five years out of them because they want to sell you a new one you know in three years it'll be up to the supreme court someday to figure out whether we got to tell people where where and by the warrant but at that really it's it's going to be coming everywhere and it's just you know it's great for us for courtroom that usually buys a stock like i got to replace one speed radio one radar not the top of the line one radars and one two hundred dollars i've got to replace one right we just haven't the brain so we cobbled together t engine that was a three thousand dollar options of the sedan is actually more than the utility the one thing the last two and powers i bought bought with it what they would call at eight which i don't really like he needs up in your chin with disk for utility we have full cages and we have actually two you have the person or k behind the driver's compartment and then you have a security cage behind rear seat mostly to protect prisoners from anything of stock one hundred percent cargo american rock in international so cargill was the smallest increase of thirteen dollars  so about a big increase we're starting this this winter season with a one hundred ton deficit we haven't put one really saw one hundred tons is about six decent storms probably eight we've fixed two small sections of groups this year one of them was was what will the first half a mile in the other ones of one state or two miles up in here which is a section of road that broke up you know you just couldn't put anything this particular request for speed and it's not helpful now at this point ok we're three days from i mean it's always helpful but it's the contractors gone into now trying to schedule it and get  get a hundred thirty five thousand shot you're in a minute two miles or another maher or you pick off a couple of those streets or you know so it's constantly changing all the time but the goal is the put x amount of dollars into our paid network so we can keep  suggest you want to mark about general fun tonight and ministration fund or do you want to do that i can do it tonight were we could do that what would be more beneficial for the board do we get it we can go far generally speaking it appears health care is going to go up about seventy percent across the board so we're looking at tax from another fifteen sixteen thousand still in there we made a mil year change with the financial reorganization in a couple of ways that lends itself to a six point two two percent increase or a two percent increase ok so specifically what's going on that well we are we've given the clerk additional funds for the office of financial duties and we have a better idea of what going to be doing to do the bank reconciliation ok one other area that you'll see increased is under the general insurance for passive we've been doing something a little hokey in the past where we've been budgeting a partial bill in the general fund that our full bill also includes water and sewer and we do a water sewer transfer their ability to try to cover it but we never really showed the full cost or their revenue so what i'm doing is bumping that up quite a bit to what it really should be we're also going to have a revenue line to offset that so that we're not charging taxation to cover so where's the room you don't have the revenue yet because they're not quite ready oh ok so so what you're saying then is that is that it's fifteen thousand dollars free for you right and it is maybe a little bit more than salaried thing i got an hourly rate it was a volunteer now not make mac i mean the current the current way it's structured is not an hourly employee as an hourly employee she is but we have a contract for six hours a week why why don't we just kind of why don't we just pay for what we got that was what she agreed to do while that doesn't really make any sense to me well why don't we pay a limited number of animal control officers that isn't is this not an elected position it's not ok to point it and she said honey took down the control officer she was available when i said no i don't see why we wouldn't pay for the work we get not the work we're not getting i mean this can't be that many animals running loose in this town that other share the regional degree meet with other people so that one person covers a certain territory you know again with mike who got away with life who never paid him for his gas right you know we paid six hundred dollars a year probably people some people may have thought that was too much but nobody's going to do that your question is how much is the top line so the proposed line is thirty two hundred dollars that  services ok that makes more sense a little bit  are any questions about yeah there's one thing couple things and i want to address because we had said we're going to move certain contractual or budgetary agreements from i agree so if we could just make that change for the next in last there's any disagreement you know it's very clear yes it's an accounting move there's no it doesn't show any we planning on sending out that form to them just got us from and then it's there what other way would you suggest that we solicit i mean i feel like if we're going to send out this form we ought to just offer it to anyone who wants to fill it out and so are we do not a website guess my question is should we have a deadline for new people to request into this appropriations line and we can use the real line is the real deadline is back down in december when we have to have the budget right through ok let's move on and talk about court vacancies and we'll take them in reverse order and then they're written on this development review board what's going on there we've  vacancy for about six months actually it's longer has the better ties a couple of times nobody's been interested in either alternate is interested have the said he was interested in the trails committee and right president said he was interested in using theory you know kenyan gene is interested in being on the trails committee and right president said he was interested in being failing to do it i'm not looking at you chris you're just at the end of the day but bardos but but you know we don't need to make this appointment begin to you don't need to make this appointment now and there was more discussion about the interpretation is a letter about cell phone towers to representative and o'brian our representative at the state house so i put together a draft letter he had gathered from some of the thoughts i had previously inclusive process when it's not right and that's that's really the point that we want yeah that at first i wasn't so happy about the thought of writing letters like this from the select poor but i think the point and the point i've always thought of the reason why i continue to support the measures we took was that the time is ended that this board is doing following the mission that they were intended to p s p was intended to be set up to do in these broadband issues and we need to give the voters and the town governments back their power and right to review these projects whether they're good or bad and i don't think that's a statement on whether they're bad it's a statement on the fact that we have a good strong tradition of local control and good smart townspeople vermont doing what's best for their town and we need to get back to this in even more fundamentally where is the discussion of public the right hand you know it's now it's cell towers you're good right then jeff if we can release that on the website as well i think that's something that needs to be public if we're going to sign it so yeah we will make a motion yes is there a motion to approve this letter sent to representative dan ryan of richmond s we're going to talk about diesel fuel policy which my understanding is a documentation of our current improved practices yes so in our ongoing saga to and keep track of our fuel is your better it is an investment around seventy five hundred maybe a little work to upgrade our fuel system the other option which has been bounced around is get rid of it entirely and use like go our gasoline car to fill up the regular station what we don't know is what the cost differential is really here for how much would we how much  more we spend on commercial pa or what the payback time would be if we went with our in house investment so this week or last week we've been signed correspondence from pam mackenzie who is the chair person of the south burlington city council and geoff on our agenda so tell us what's going on here she is asking the board to support a resolution calling on the state legislature to freeze the future freeze contributions to the state education fund right so it's capping educational property tax rates at the fiscal year two thousand and fifteen levels for the next two years to allow the legislature to make the necessary funding reforms that will sustain our education system into the future so this is this intent is to get as many towns on board with this as possible to essentially show a petition to the legislature  we're all on board that something needs to be done and until it gets done don't do anything else and i think she just you know you can answer questions for her  consolidation is good it could possibly maybe contribute to reducing expenses a a relevant question if i can pick it apart a little bit here i see this resolution as it an attempt by and i haven't spoken to the sponsors of it but as an attempt to  take this thing system of paying for education in the state of vermont and pulling it apart so the something that can be created where is the effort to consolidate school districts is to lower costs under the existing system for that reason i tend to support the consolidation effort and not this effort i think that they there's a point to be made that by putting a cap on you will cost so much political this as being implemented think that this is the way in which a political momentum gets built and we're getting into the next legislative session and i'm sure that the that the originators of the petition are working hard so issue is obviously a serious one and so i think from my perspective the issues and it's not a serious issue and we need to do something question is is this petition the appropriate action has it obstacles been removed that did not have desired effect of generating a flood of developer interest in the property him one of the remaining issues appears to be the  purpose in mind of one reducing a public nuisance and to increasing the cost of maintaining the property it's current status what i would suggest is that the slick or consider  an ordinance three fire owner to secure the property and securing the property could be accomplished by establishing a fence or some other barrier of some specification or actively beginning to develop record so i had a conversation with bruce safer who was head of the community economic development office in the city of berlin and talked about what some other basically require a leap towards public safety and they recognized that the dip decrypted buildings have a negative value one development tax base etc and so building because the roof is falling and in a couple of places in some of the buildings there's more than one building but i'm concerned about both public safety issue and its effect on the overall development over time so i think it is a ppropriate to at least consider vacant vacant building ordinance which both ensures public safety and creates some incentives for development for  step improvement i mean one option is to take the building down or take some of the buildings down or to build a perimeter because i'm with you when i think it has been i mean we start to approach a generation of baby building whole order and it's about it we don't have to force that across town and we don't have the resources to do so this issue to me to start now because there's improper incentive for the owner to do anything with it there's just no organization around right now that is able to take the lead in developing ideas like that to get people here and wanting to build here so instead of that i would suggest something like rising a profit redevelopment corporation that could do more to explore these ideas do that work of developing the ordinance if that's the way it's going to go but to me the i'm concerned that we sit here and talk about this ordinance that has bigger ramifications of that and that property and actually it might scare people away because we're now actually putting more restrictions on that area if they want to buy and sit on it for two years and it works fine for their purpose what we're missing leadership and this board can really do it because it's really not or if it's beyond our scope to truly dig into the details of that so i would that i appreciate the conversation and i would suggest that we look at that like what type of group can be created or are asked to be for or authorized that we could set resources to that would be able to lead a project so i appreciate your conclusion with all the roof is caving in and in more than one place so those are the facts and then said i want to second bards assessment i mean there's obviously people frequenting the different buildings there but the other thing too is that it's not an either or question that you know it's what can this like or do to help in the situation to help move things along if you know at this point there isn't a not for profit organization that is involved and that's the senior center now it's as if it's some point they step aside or no longer involved there's a need for not for profit development organization to take advantage of certain funds that aren't available to commercial development then i think it's appropriate for the slip board to talk about that well if if we get to that point right now today i think what we can do at this point is to secure the site to provide incentives to the current owner to take action because i think some of what we're dealing with here is an option i think that the owner would like to sell  to get as much money as possible and as certainly willing to wait to do that and we would like that in that calculus of the the owner is making to lower the price moving faster and the thing that we can do to make that happen whether it is care suggests simply acting with the current authority that we have frank down or any problem with i don't think that we need to a silly event a whole new ordinance force or or put in an appropriate ordinance if we think that will be useful question is you brought this into the sport twice what do we need to do if you want to do something like this and that's why i'm saying there's no leadership organization that is saying well if you do this you know these are the steps we need you to do so we can have a better chance at that building there of getting himself up and you know there's no evidence in front of us to discuss or kind of just spit balling ideas what is the subject do you want to write norman's we've asked something like that here but sometimes it's also just a question of time mentioned the power to be sold to the current owner for less than seventy thousand dollars to prepare the property for development so that means deal with environmental issues which are not huge actually but that removing the buildings and things like that is another three to five hundred thousand dollars then to actually develop it the estimates that i've heard are five to seven so really the when we talk about the kind of development capital to do the job that's really the trick and yeah i know and it happens happens all the time it's just we've got to get the right people to realize the value of and ask them to come do this inspection we call it really that's all it takes it's a public building submit it to say submit online form and i don't know there's really yeah it's good it's really not and that's a big part meet the fire marshal and say look these are our concerns people are coming in here people are smoking cigarettes here the roof is falling down anybody can walk off the street and come in here you know i'm getting a sense really like after thirteen years the definition us office based on what the fire marshal record is what the what mark what our council says we can do and what is it between those two areas beyond those two areas bring in the five she said and i agree with you that there's no safe way you can go thirty five up over that that blind well when i drive through there and i pick up truck a pickup truck has a plow on it and the pilots are out here around no matter which direction i'm going and coming up that mean ready hugging the bar and they're flying and i've had a couple here this is that's five miles an hour the speed limit there is thirty five so the issues for assert there are two fold should be lower the speed limit there i think we should rock n roll it back to twenty five also unfortunate and i spoke with chief bucky's i had a discussion with him about increasing patrols there which is something i feel we should ask him to do other questions or comments on this proposal over i will tell you that i am not fair because i don't have any evidence that it's dangerous i accept anecdotal conversations i understand that that pill is dangerous but people are going to go to speed they're going to go no matter what the science goes and again there's just no evidence that it's that it could needs to be lowered i think if  here i don't have her car so the motion would be to commission a memo on the safety and alteration feasibility of canyon road beginning at the farm road in the red barn and the other in about twelve feet between more of a guy so you have that down is there a second to this motion like anything else also fair say i write in the right so is there a part of this jeff that that the e c changes to the development of the bylaws right now to complete the development they want to do or is this a long term discussion on if we're going to extend would make a lot of sense for it would make sense if they had plans to expand what they where it made public utilities necessary in a couple of course you go back to the planning does does a community wan increased development there i get from last wednesday's discussion that the community is willing to see more development there but what they don't want to see is your typical box development which is it's difficult to prevent that because it's all based on numbers and some some types of development you might like a certain size other types you would hate a certain size and that so it sounds like the planning commission is working on this discussion yes what is the timeline have they propose a timeline bruce here here  try again the same group that started for the past two years which is an offshoot of the group that did it before never give up ever want to come to the old first church of the older of the old first church down the road when they do this run right now do they need our permission to camp that historical society do that for though it we according to our policy want to be able to say yes or no he's not not to say if we said no he didn't just do it but we want to be able to maintain some sort of ability to say we can't have to and organizations run on the same day pavement are still scheduled for monday the thirteenth when most offices will be closed i believe the schools will be open everybody will be out of that parking lot the post office is closed and  braving the roads have been graded all summer because of the gravel clay and doing some other miscellaneous work the park and ride there's essentially a completion final and it's coming and coming to a close this month they told you what they're doing to the light at one seventeen and or two i saw them switching it around and messing with it and i don't understand why i know it's taken today it's ok never five thousand dollars to cargill salt purchase of nine hundred point five two tons of rock salt for winter road maintenance you and i will say that i said not to exceed but we should expect them to hit that number with this purchase was in favor say aye nyhan opposed the eyes have it that was approved or anything else we need to discuss tonight in executive session jeff in lower than i think it was it was over four cents the  well we're we're trying operationally we're very stable again the capital costs are what's pushing the increase for for vehicles and equipment it's not surpris will bring back a fire marshals report hopefully yes and more action to be taken on that if it's necessary so let's i mean i think that that we need to do it if it isn't safety to do something that's meeting that's year we had to wait before we could cut it down my mistake was that something else you know we could either do it now or in the spring that got price was the same but you have to have a public hearing before you take action so we'll have a public hearing on the tree next meeting right well i need to