three pieces of new business tonight one of them is a peal of administrative decision in regard to the zoning administrative decision on replacement of the message board i mean to deny school that's to eleven brown strace just for the record our request to be for conditional use of a fence that exceeds the six foot height and that's it for silly hill road and then the third one is a quest  mike now for conditional use on a driveway extension that's thirty six emerson lane so those are the three and workable taken in that order and then we have minutes to deal with from last with the approval of the minutes will be in the public part of this meeting so that's the agenda and will do in that order this proceeding will be conducted in an orderly manner consistent with our rules of procedure and i'll walk you request a disclosure of any conflict of interest or any ex parte communication with board members well we're in a better with the high school property adam of that so ok and  so first let me just read the definition of interested persons interested persons are those who under vermont law have the right to appeal an actor decision of the jericho's only a minister of the day or be interested persons include the applicant subject of his own exit in iraq who can demonstrate a physical or environmental impact on the person's interest under the criteria reviewed and who alleges that the decision or act of confirmed will violate the municipal player by law any ten person or b if an interested person fails to make a timely appeal they're bound by the officer deity's decision or act only those interested persons who have participated in a d or be proceeding may appeal a decision reinjured in that proceeding in environmental court pursuant to state statute participation consists of offering through oral or written testimony evidence or a statement of concern related to the subject of the proceeding if there were to be an appeal of anything of any of the work we do tonight we would not make a determination of interested persons that is that would be part of the appeal but we do our responsible to know who participated and so to that end we sent a sign up sheet around and anyone who is here tonight to participate in any of these hearings if you please sign a debt sheet that would be a help ok you know that's a lot of mumbo jumbo but we need to we need to make sure recovering this is a quasi i'd usual hearing so anyone who wants to speak has to be sworn in so what i'm going to do is read the oath and then you just need to say i do i hereby swear that the evidence i give in the cause under consideration shall be the whole truth and nothing but the truth of the pains and penalties of perjury thank you  ok we'll go on to the first piece of business here which is on appeal of a decision administrative decision on a permit for assignment we don't have an african per se but we do have the  so i guess what i'd like to do is in parallel with our usual pretty usual process is ask the appellant to explain the basis of the appeal and then we can go from there ok what its function would be what its purpose would be and how it would improve communication the community and if it's even needed to improve communication with the community there are certainly limitations on where the only science can be square feet but it's really not very clear that they are allowed to sometimes or if they can have a total greater than thirty two square feet high school county has a mine in which is a sign they have  wondering if the sign would operate all night or will it be turned off at a set time to yes that's not something a problem can answer so i have no make sure that's fred i want to make sure that we're clear on what and what the can you help me out with so sort of going on to you then can you help me out with the there is a statute tory question here about the  regulate lighting insofar as it could be a nuisance or safety or hazard problem to allow others to passers by and other greats of life i don't perceive this as the type of lighting that deals with character you know there's no basis for making an approval of this size or that this that some of them were that some of the findings in the zoning administrators letter  so the appeal is to is to reverse that decision and and or some person of any of the to reconsider those findings whether or not we reconsider those findings because there's a question in my mind as to whether we have jurisdiction in the words is this whole question moot ok whether or not you're comports with the regulations for science in the rovers eventual district may be moot because and it's not quite clear what one of these i think we need to decide whether in fact we have jurisdiction to say yes or no that could do it clearly it what we do have jurisdiction to do is what's right is what's right is what it says that we can regulate under the special use it's clearly a special years it's listed in special uses the question is only what to what extent then do ours owning regulations and plan are they relevant to this question school and i guess you're here to represent the school ok just to try to get any any other findings of fact out that we might find that are relevant to this so the members aboard have questions about about the sign was in the was you know was it was it was allowed to good go out because of this this line that said that that you know whatever you know because you know forty is it a forty five day period to do or to do notice of appeal as well yes ok so you'll hear from us formally within forty five days which probably quicker than others will do will we work through the the deliberation process as quickly as you can so you can if we need to make a determination on this we're going to need a sketch to be able to say it is going to be built to sketch i mean that's the only procedurally i'm concerned because we don't have a plan that we can approve  same sort can you explain it again there but from the from the property line there is to the trees are on the are on the property line history i don't know how close you believe the players trees fairly close to the property line right reasons for the six foot height restriction is the way that this science looks from the roadside it seems like privacy fencing issue for the seven foot fence on this side it's one it's nothing thank you very much and we are as i always tell people we have up to forty five days to render a decision but our deliberation process usually much quicker than that and as soon as we complete it will give you a visual thank you eight on the other side of the road with hotels house on it by state that has a right of way through here and that right away is a little bit it's only thirty one thirty thirty feet wide reading there's a hole that that limits him you know he sold this lot where it's where he live i guess i should just you know maybe for the for the benefit of the public is hearing that there is a weapons permit for this project and the town engineer has also looked at the project and and the weapons program to make sure that other section i believe yeah driveways on so i had three points that our commission came up with from what we considered this project a couple weeks ago first of all there was a permit issued in two thousand and nine with a number of conditions relating to a subdivision we wanted to know over if the board was aware of whether all of those but the second question had to do with the existing access  longer acceptable use of or if there is some way that the existing access doesn't have to cross the letter that's two aspects of my second question it is something that we take and do it that we took into account i don't have any evidence that it's not being met i guess i hope that's a response or a question and i think we've already actually discussed the question of the existing access and how that works  to some extent and i should just note with respect to your question or comment about the access that both wetlands permit and the town the logging and the sugar operation are part of any sort of management plan can you answer that yes it's far as the tax savings kno ok thanks ok there is one more piece of business in the part of the meaning that's minutes from the previous meeting this is minutes of the july twenty fifth meeting do i hear a motion to get this on the floor go for me