we're here on the morning of september th this is a make up meeting from another meeting we had to move because of rush on us so here we are st is the community announcements we are looking for applicants to serve on the community path project committee this is the new committee that is going to take over from the community pact implementation committee to because we're beyond that implementation phase this is the phase to actually start doing the work so we are going to be starting to discuss that monday october st so if you are interested please go on the town website and put in an application deadline to that well the deadline i think was probably already passed but will you haven't got it after you get them in before monday will take it u bring it that way you don't have to put it in your bin old trash barrels or recycling bins you're not going to be using for yard waste which i would highly encourage but if you're not going to use it many want to get rid of your old trash cans you can take them down to town yard and they will be collected there please note that used barrels in like new condition will be available to take for reuse so when i swap shop there's something on the back to them it's highlighted i would not have seen thank you starting october st trash carts that are not fully closed will not get picked up so please use official overflow bags for excess trash that you cannot throw out the trash is just you can't mandate on the top and i mounted on the top of your been so you can purchase excess trash excess overflow trash will not send waste management back to empty sticker trash cans it will have to wait till the following week it must be done correctly with the official car lid closed and excess trash an over official overflow but it will say that we're not to give it up this closure because it why didn't you director waste management we had a meeting with the drivers this week and one of the biggest things that they told us was that they are slow down because they are getting out of the truck to pick up t overflow barrels in the back fall out they are getting out to pick up the bags perm back into the barrel and then tip it again so reasonably if it's opened up a little like twenty three inches that's i would imagine tolerable but wide open perfect they've had to by force and sticking out of them so that's you know it's a new process we've drastically new trashcan the system it's only a few months old there's going to be a learning curve i guess we're trying to educate people that's why there's been this lag safety night sponsored by papageno this is great that they trashed an entire car last time the kids loved i don't know what the show they rescue someone out of a car they took the jaws of life and destroyed the entire car the guy donated it was great so the belmont fire department welcomes local families to a free open house wednesday october th two thousand eight hundred from six pm to eight pm open house sponsored by papageno is aimed at teaching families fire safety prevention practices but don't fire department fire department over house ok will be held  fire headquarters to ninety nine to pella road commemorating national fire safety month which is october parents who receive safety tips such as drop stop drop and roll learn how to play an escape routes and how to crawl safely through a smoke filled room edition papa gino's  mass based pizza chain will provide free pizza and children's fire safety activity sheets at the open house so this is a good time it's the papa gino's th anniversary of sponsoring fire safety open houses throughout wieland for families to learn about fire pleasure good morning at glen clancy director of community development this is the two thousand and eighteen paper management contract this is a contract that's typically signed off by the board in more of a late spring time frame this previous winter i did a i deep analysis into the budgeting in the funding of the pave mansion program with an idea towards determining whether or not we could incorporate some sidewalk construction into the program the outcome of that was a sidewalk policy from the board of selectmen that was adopted in march one of the drawbacks of that process was it took me that much longer to get the list of roads to the the big community two point one and so we we are well below what the engineers estimates are both for the road portion and the sewer portion so i think that any time you get one bid on a project there's a little bit of a concern there that it may not be deemed competitive in this case the the actual bid price came in so far below the estimated cost of both the road in the sewer that i think we're in good good shape here i am concerned this i think is the nd at least the nd year in a row that one response to the paper management bid timing i think has something to do with it also what's happened to our pain management contract in the last few years is it's gone from being a very straightforward list of roads fix the roads to a contract that includes other elements in this one in particular there is the the curbing and sidewalk insulation i bought lavin you know one of the crops of the sidewalk policy that was  adopted there is some traffic calming and safety improvements around the winter school there is some isolated pavement and trench restoration work that we're doing for municipal like department down there flinders road and brighton streets so the bottom line is cobble together these these sort of smaller tasks and i think some of these contractors just feel like you know what i can go to a community that has a very straightforward fix a street move on approach versus this one and in you know i'm grateful that perkins is willing to come in and tolerate sort of all the jumping around and all the different things that we throw at you know well our needs in the community changed over time obviously as you've seen but do you think that the fact that perkins has had the previous six contracts is driving away other people think it's just done with them you know i thought of that and i've asked my staff to contact other contractors to see whether or not that is a factor it doesn't appear to be i think that i think they all kind of have their niche in where they work and the type of work that they do i think that if we if we were our community that did roadway along with curbing and full sidewalk on these roadways so it's really an entire soup to nuts road construction project i think we'd see a couple of other people jumping into this but where i sidewalk instruction is more sporadic you know the contractors tend to have a specialty and then they see the rest so some contractors specialty is sidewalk curbing they saw the asphalt piece for example you know on a contract like this where we have very little sidewalk work and so much of it is asphalt related those so that a curbing in sidewalk heavy contractors operating on the site but  i am heartened to see that the sort of the out the physical manifestation of our new sidewalk policy from march that we've got the capital budget funding for the speed mitigation across three pedestrian handsome when broken asphalt curving on bartlett and to do that type of work would like to point out that if you go to page two of the memo you'll see the list of streets that are being reconstructed the st two on the list livermore road and the segment of channing road that we're doing both of those will include sidewalk work that up until the sidewalk policy would not have been included i do want to stress that this is not a complete sidewalk work meaning not that it's not going to be sidewalk reconstruction with the entire limit of the reconstruction it really is identifying segments of sidewalk along that roadway that have been identified in the public works sidewalks evaluation and knocking out those segments are addressing those segments that require reconstruction so they'll be pieces of sidewalk that remain untouched and that is because the evaluation don't want to reconstruct something that is bad well we can spend that money in a place that it's quick question back to the contracts structure is there any value in breaking the sewer components out from the sidewalk from the pavement do you think we would get to the question it's it is a good question if the work that the surak that's included in the contract is dig up and replace most of that work is very isolated in the sense that you may be digging up and replacing ten or twenty feet of a man there is no lining work which is which is an industry that has its own specialty and in its own set of contractors that do lining work  the school work is so far below the estimate i really see it as the sort of tolerate the school work because they want the rest of the work and they give us a very good price because of the other part of it is sorry i lost my train of thought was a nd reason oh the coordination the fact that perkins can control the sewer subcontracted helps them schedule the work they need to do also believe to fix that street it's a lot easier to to manage a project when you're responsible for all aspects of it but it's a fair point and i guess i guess the best i can do is give you my word that we'll continue to keep an eye on this and if we feel as though the actually yes so they'll be some of the smaller work that can be done in the month of october because you know you're really don't have a guarantee after november st of the weather's going to cooperate so but there are some things that can be done we've already met with perkins the work around the wind work school for example is something that would be focused on immediately some of the some of the smaller paving work would be done as well but the actual road reconstruction the list on the nd page that stuff would not be addressed until the spring and if they could prioritize it any of the traffic mitigation efforts and is only a few but if they can prioritize those sooner that is delhi that is definitely the priority for october great because it's small enough that they can knock it out and there's obviously importance with with the type of work that we need and so thank you  what we weren't able to do it in this contract we talked about this with b h p the consultant who does the pavement design for us and puts the contract together for us we've talked about adding a specific section on testing requirements for concrete we weren't able to get into the contract this time but the massachusetts standards for construction the mastoid standards for construction they they have in place the specifications that contractors have to live by when they're delivering and placing and finishing concrete so we are going to be very vigilant about those requirements this time we've put the contractor on notice that we don't necessarily believe that the one year warranty that is generally accepted in the industry is not that that is that that at is something that we are going to be comfortable with and we put them on notice that if we see anything in the operation of one the concrete is delivered placed and finished if we see anything in that operation that we think could lead to failure in that sidewalk to three years down the road we are going to step in and we're going to put a stop to the operation we feel like that's that's that's fair that's sort of fair notice for these guys because you know they would argue after the fact well if you thought there was a concern why didn't you raise it and you know we're heading all of that off right now so we're taking sort of this intermediate step to try to head off any issues with concrete and then as i said ultimately long term i think we're going to introduce some kind of testing forensic testing so the concrete is placed sidewalk has been cured come back after the fact i want to coring of that sidewalk i want to know that the materials were placed properly and i don't want to go into this the long and sordid tale of why these friends that have been appropriate that we haven't expended yet that's correct when we contract on those well the plan would be to have that contract out for the spring but you don't do it during the winter right through this but the budget passes in april or june so it's typically that kind of the way until haven't yet contracted that's correct so in theory i will come to you april timeframe next year to appear to spend the f y nineteen money which is already in the count waiting for that ok just t you know how we're sure executing on the appropriation yeah so so the thing about pavement is pavement management is always a th quarter expenditure when we look at that it's going here just because of the way the construction seasons fall just because of the way the development and the engineering is done to get you to the point of being able to advertise it's always a th quarter as i said before with a high end this year because of what i s if you want to speak please use that microphone back there please identify yourself for the record and we'll have a conversation so jay and also it's possible both because we're not necessarily going to vote but i'd want to do at least of e mails from residents advocating for barrels at certain parks so we said this is just a brief history of the carrying carry out and then the other thing i had asked and requested jay to do is to put some cost estimates towards the if we were to put receptacles in in the parks what what possible cost could be because it involves labor and some overtime so it's one dollar that's what was sitting in front of you that there was an issue with over flowing barrels every weekend or weekdays depending on the events of the illegal dumping so we had approached the board back in january seventeen that we should try a pilot carry on carry out at the time the board didn't think that it was going to be a well received thought to implement that so we kind of table that october th last year we had to close the joeys park because of the registration at that time we hired a pest control company and they have helped us with trying to control the situation and we inspect every park in town monthly depending on activity so they will come more than come in as many times that we want so they can control the problem for the last three months we have had no activity at joey's park we just had them there this week because we had calls that there was a rapper oh yes they are not they are all grab arose that rabbits now live in and i'm not everywhere i'm not kidding program to date we felt or we feel that we have reduced the calls that are coming in for the overflowing illegal  dumping but the and i have said it in every public meeting i have had about carrying kerio we are not going to stop all trash illegal dumping overflowing barrels we're trying to control it reduce it and try to statically have our parks in the best condition we can we feel that it's not one single  entity it's a holistic approach it's the dog walkers it's the youth groups it's public works it's the schools it's the police it's the health department we all working on trying to reduce this problem carrying kerio is not unique to belmont there are other communities they're trying exploring it the federal government for all contained they are solar powered they are the theory the theory is a compact the trash and you have to empty them last that the cons are they are costly they are a mechanical part so they do require maintenance and when they break and they will break and they are costly to fix the other aspects to it is that i look at it just like a water bubble or in the parks they do get vandalized they will get dented or or wrecked spray painted cetera but what i don't want to see this fail so what we would recommend and i was talking to tom earlier our biggest weakness is the weekends and that is because of staffing it's an overtime situation on sundays it's it's double time three hour minimum  our crews it's it will be costly and i hate to do it to empty the barrels on sunday on saturday and sunday we're working it's a overtime opportunity the i do want to stress though that this is this is not a cure we will still have illegal dumping in we will still have over four barrels the question is what are we willing to take or what are we willing to pay because us what it's going to be it's going to be a cost the and i'll use example disneyland disneyland as pristine the park is beautiful they have barrel every thirty feet and they are emptied continuously throughout the day that woman and that's why it's one hundred and ten dollars a ticket a day per person so i would  i don't i would if we're going to table carrying carry out to see if the big belly and the additional service works i would recommend a month maybe to the idea because it is going to be costly basis then you remove it if it doesn't work i don't understand that we're going to do we're not going to do it you know well you know they have the big bellies by my office and david square i mean david square was full of trash so they put in the big bellies to try to deal with it and the other big bellies is full of trash so i don't i don't notice any difference and to be honest i talk to the d p director in somerville because we're doing the last year we're talking about the carry on carry out i ran into him and those i knew when i was curious and he was not thrilled with the big bellies because the problem is you put in all the dog tags not to get graphic but it squishes them all down and then you get like like a foot of like liquid do at the bottom of the big belly the whole thing stinks that's hard to clean and that's the problem with the compaction is pops all the bags open so you don't think about whether that's something you actually want to do that and that they do break and then when they break people i see a people has put their trash on top of it and then it falls off and it's all over the place because they break from time to time we have barrels in the town center g carry out and i carried it out but and you know same thing you know go to the i carry a garbage bag in my pocket all the time hefley day and i would like it on the ground but i do want to say that if it's going to be a trial for the big belly there is there is kind of a permanent aspect to them they require a pad a concrete i don't i guess they were overflowing but but the other issues that you presented to us as you know is that people of throwing you know waste their medicals medical waste in and so they're throwing other kinds of things thinking that that's just  what they're there for so that was the other point but we're still getting that we're seeing trash bags that are left at the park thinking that we're just going to pick a mop that's this is worse isn't it that that to me is just an insult because it's literally i do feel like something needs to be done and i'm not sure that carrying carry out is working i get this is a very complex problem and it has enforcement elements it has education elements it has staffing and financial elements to figure out how w it but it seems like you know as we iterate through various different approaches like we probably need to try something else because it does seem like it's a quality of life issue for many members of the community and i don't think we're necessarily doing all that you know i mean i don't have a particular opinion i mean that the care that's why we did the carrying carry out as a trial yeah we wanted to see how it went and after all the rodent issues we had a job was parked there seemed to be a lot of sentiment and demand from the community to do something and actually we did something that apparently is help with the rodent issue do you think that going back to any of this would create more problems with the roads or if you noticed the illegal dumping on the road and issues it it's a market it's the overflowing barrels that is what i'm worried about and the only way that we weekdays we that would be our normal there would be no i don't think there would be any incurred cost because we already have crews and since we had to carry and carry out a few have you been keeping keeping track of like the amount of trash you're removed from the particular parks particular the ones with the carrying carry he says that his crew that usually goes on takes those pictures that you see have drastically reduced we have not the calls that come in for trash have drastically reduced the health department i'm not going to speak for  the health department has received directly over the summer since carry on carry out was implemented is there oh however some of our board members have received complaints directly and like  our board members does go there and she does pick up trash when she is there with her young child so it it is an issue and there is like j is mentioned there is no perfect solution and historically we are  getting calls regarding trash or calls regarding rats so this summer we've received calls about possible rat burrows which jay and his team had to have been awesome about going out and checking it each time because doesn't like the good news is least for the moment the rat issues seem to be under control which is good i think i think i guess the issues though have you historically received trash concerns raised by residents or is that typically go to d p w we w sometimes get trashed and once but they typically generally do go to the one thing to kind of keep in mind there also is i've looked at our rat statistics over the last couple of years september october november those are peak months so  open that up i mean i think you've heard our discussion and obviously hoping that will inform your comments by emily peterson and the initiator of the petition both on line and now sorry well i just you know this all started because they closed the port a potty i mean let's go that was like the the line in the sand for me because you know when you have little kids they can't wait to get in the car and then go home to pee and then come back when their kid and your older brothers and soccer practice so like that was and it was because the dog walkers were putting the poop in the porta potty so before i make my comment i actually had a question for the d p w and i wanted to know if you can recall how many barrels were actually at joey's park prior to the curie and carry out i seem to remember that there was only one by that main entrance and where and i often saw garbage piled around it so is it was it only one j market public works though the one i believe was for this you're talking about it was on the pavement on the asshole court you know it was by the entrance that's kind of by the grass and then joey's park is like to your left and then there was one by the tennis court and there was one in the baseball ok right never never no i mean but when soccer is going on and all the activities when people often use the park if soccer is going on and they're open well they were they last weekend and that's the whole reason why we have them there is they're yeah well there's no i know it's hard to stop them when they when they have to well i guess yeah i did this i mean we're digressing in that hey maybe this is like a cascading effect and you know i thought of the the big bellies as a proposal because i had heard that this weekend overtime was a big issue and a cost concern and i thought ok maybe this will allow a friday monday emptying when the crews are already working but your point about the dog who compression was something that crossed my mind is really gross and maybe not good a good feature of these as well as the cost so i get we could also propose just are there other rodent proof barrels a that are not composed compact thing that not solar powered and could we just have many and then they are emptied friday and monday or you know if there's a special event we pay attention but perhaps the volume would just solve this problem obviously sadly the sign doesn't appear to be working it would be great if we could leave signs saying like we're going to close this park if we get the rodents back because you're leaving the trash here but i guess i don't know it is yeah yeah i mean but i feel like the quality of our i mean the majority of the people that are using the park are trying to respect the park and that the quality of attending the park if your kid wants ice cream i pretty much say no unless i have a garbage bag in my pag because i don't want sticky ice cream garbage in my handbag and i mean watching people at soccer can around their coffee cups that they drank and now there's a queue brought a truck coming in just i just don't think that the carry and carry out was working i think it's idealistic a lot of people from other towns that have services in their parks come to joey's park as it's a great park we used to visit it when we lived in cambridge the expectation for a lot of people is that there are some barrels that parks and then when they arrive and they are surprised or maybe they weren't planning on visiting but it's like a quick trip there and then they're stuck with garbage in their hands in so we're doing the trial of both town field and your was part of you noticed a difference between the two maybe carry using the park and they're having to care and there's a lot of people going to pick up litter and i just i think that respectfully the carrying carry out is not working we have over one hundred and fifty signatures online i have paper signatures i'm up to fifty after single weekend we could put it to town meeting but i just don't want to deal i'm hoping that this can be solved here by this board but i'm just hoping we can have some sort of facilities so i'll stop taking if you're going to take this is what we're here for i mean but i am also you know sitting here and having heard more of the nuances of this issue you know i'd be happy to you know personally consider other alternatives and i wonder if you know my question is what kind of enforcement has happened around the carrying carried out and the reason i suggest it is because i want to think of one example from sort of my teenage to twenty years i don't know if if anyone lived in the boston area two thousand five hundred and thirty years ago no one stopped so i'm just wondering if you know a little bit of enforcement in the beginning i don't know i have so i'm asking you know what is being done and would that be you know possible alternative you know some monitoring or you know i don't want to suggest ticketing but you know something in the beginning to sort of get awareness up about the carrying carry out i think it's easy to miss those signs especially when you walk in with you know two year old in a four year old and one of them is running ahead you don't even see it and you know so i don't think that it is all militias intent by people who are visiting the park to kind of do that there is some of that but so then the question to you is what has been the monitoring and with that you know have we considered that as something to help enforce the carrying kariya is ok to market to work their public works we mar the parks every day we are not ticketing anybody we're not enforcing in that aspect of being punitive does no warnings that are issued i believe we have for signs at the entrances it's just common knowledge everybody knows there's no barrels you tell you what you take where you what you want in with you leave with and that's you know it's a behavioral thing and it's not like i said it in the beginning it's a holistic approach if you or some watch the recesses at the one school and see all the kids running around with their lunch bags and all crackers and goldfish being crushed in you know played with games and whatever and then when they're done the seagulls come it's behavioral we need to start educating from the children all the way up mean st of all i don't know how we enforce right i mean from former colleague of mine on the board he want to put cameras in i mean you know to what extent do we enforce we put cameras on the identify people i mean that's going to an extreme i agree with jay it's if i have trash oh i didn't know there were any barrels the i'm just going to throw it on the ground i mean that's just common sense and respectfulness to just take it out that being said again gentleman i'm i'm happy to consider a beta test here to see if this over the water cooler i mean really and so we're supposed to say ok that's ok let's put the barrels back with this have more illegal dumping and these folks that continue to be disrespectful to all of us what do we do about that you know and how do we enforce it and then we get complaints when we force it we can't we don't have enough police officers frankly right now to enforce our traffic laws that's what we need to be focused on as well so i'm happy to consider beta testing i think is absolutely correct it's really a behavioral thing folks need to start to be respectful of the parks the beautiful parks that we have here in belmont in pick up their trash this are good morning my name is i understand and appreciate the spirit of the carry on carry out policy and environmentalists at root i'm a person who cares about my community i think the intent of the policy it's smart it's meant to keep our parks safe and clean and to provide a space where community members can get together and be with each other in community in a positive way i think there's a significant difference between intention and impact and i think the impact of the policy has been very negative and a number of ways one is it has led to the removal of porta potties in some cases and it's led the town to be against each other so we pitted now people who enjoy the parks against dog owners against the d p w i think it's a road of public trust in the government itself in town which i think we can ill afford stream com and that's my point of view and i'm not saying it's completely eroded that's the bad news selectman that's the bad news the good news is that it was a test and we can say that the test failed and we can do something different about it i think i didn't actually i wasn't aware that there were problems with big belly solar from a mechanical standpoint i do think that i've been in two national parks in the last month they do not have strictly speaking a carry on carry out policy they have steel barrels that are bear proof so i'm pretty sure they're not getting it to problem flick yeah and i do think we have to take a serious look at enforcement i think we don't love talking about this but it's really one percent of who are legally dumping it's one percent of dog owners who are throwing their dog poop in places where they can't go and ninety nine percent of the people who are respectful and do appreciate and do paid for the parks are not able to enjoy them to the fullest extent so i think we should i urge you to say this is been a failure it's been a test it the thing is as you know it was a it was a it was a trial we did it initially as a trial to see how it went this is a great conversation to get feedback on how it went and then we have to decide what we're going to do it was never intended as a permanent vote when we did this it was to try and that's why we did two parks we could have done all the parks we did two parks to sort of try it out we try joeys park because of the rat problem that does seem like an obvious candidate for a trial because of the at the time when we did this the rats had closed the park the last thing i'll say is by way of financing this is a real issue we don't have money that we can just print and so i think that we should consider allowing businesses in town to sponsor whatever new trash receptacles we put in place more than paid for them and potentially over time that might be needed and it's also another way of bringing down businesses into the community and rooting them more deeply in the community well that's an interesting idea i appreciate i love it when someone complains and director of public works i think that carrie and carry out is behavioral i think that we need the principal to not allow the kids to take the food out on to the space there they can eat inside i think there are lots of educationists mr mentioned  and then i guess from listening to it as well all the nuances i mean is there any way that we could have an employee who wants to work that weekend and have you know thursday and friday off do we have flexibility i don't know what the unions are but again i just  another idea that if there is somebody who wanted to work saturday and sunday and have monday tuesday off to go to their mothers or whatever maybe that person could be the person to pick up and on weekends we have extra pick up yeah unfortunately doesn't work that way and you're really subject to whoever shows up and what you're paying because most people in the parliament have a different rate so if you get the person that is the highest paid person working at weekends in a costume or that we can to their union contracts we can't do anything we're all here trying to solve the same set of problems control trash we want our children to have these part of parties when they're at soccer practice and soccer games we want neighboring communities to be able to come here and know what to do with their trash we want them to have simple signage if we're asking them to follow particular rules and everyone in this room is working very hard to try to get there so i just want to say i'm only here to ask that we not kick the can down the road i know we're trying things it's very hard to find a perfect solution but it's not working for those of us who are in the parks right now who are in the playgrounds who are at the soccer fields and we have to find some solution and not say well we'll try more pilot and the next spring we'll try something different we really do need a solution we don't want rats we don't want trash we're trying to pick it up ourselves but there's only so many bags we can each fit in our car and that's not what we should be doing so i just want to thank everyone i just want to ask them so i am not offering a specific solution i've learned a lot here this morning i'm grateful for the other solutions people have put forward if you need assistance from us to sit down and try to talk through a list of solutions for you i think that's something that we should do we're always always freed ascended to the s carry on carry out that it could be controversial however because of the rat problem at the time that the trial seemed like something that we had at least give it a shot we've now heard feedback from you like santoro and wesson the public and ourselves them i think at this point we need to kind of decide we have to do something whether it's extend the carry in carry out expanded to all the parks get rid of it entirely put in big bellies put in the old trash cans put in some different kind of bear proof can program it doesn't eliminate the illegal dumping the litter it's just a reduction direction in them you know in trash trash collection trash pickup there's no there is no silver bullet and i say this about every trash issue it seems like it's a reduction method that's that's that's about it beverly school system their campus all their all  school campuses do not have trash barrels because of be in like hornet sting allergies that's their reasoning why they did it there are still several other parts that we d about the illegal dumping i mean i see an improvement i do and i'm here like i said i live in belmont so i have seen an improvement with that with the dumping except for this past weekend with the with the party picture signed up did because we had asked the soccer association if they could ask all the parents to you know if their kids brought things to soccer if they could ask the parents to tell their kids to bring their stuff back with them when they went on soccer practice like you know the water volatiles also encourage them to use reusable stuff so we were just wondering if they got to the parents if you're peterson yes  well it did i don't know if it did this year because it did last spring and so we just remembered and i our coaches when they e mailed us about this like oranges sign up they said don't forget to bring a  bag to collect the rinds afterwards as well as the oranges i'm so i know our particular team coaches emailed us i can't speak for the other coaches i know that last weekend there were people with composting actually collecting the oranges which was really exciting so i don't i think that the i think that responsible people are abang the carian kerio but in the summer when lots of out of town residents are coming in and there's ice cream addition i mean i don't know if soccer is the offender here i mean there was a ton of birthday parties yes so i don't know but also the soccer coaches i think are like acting as litter picker upper at the end of sign because they sort of this is your own neighborhood and glendale road all of my neighbors say yes this makes sense we need barrels we need public services we pay for parks we don't want to carry around our garbage all the time in our hands we're willing to respect the rule it is good education but we can also educate our kids to put their litter in a proper receptacle and not litter it and i think that's valuable education too i think reusable water bottles is a great idea i think the composting thing is is great too i know think that barrels are going to solve the illegal dumping at all they didn't before yeah i mean so i totally admit i'm sorry i didn't answer your question most of the signatures i have on paper are soccer people because i was able to see them in person before i did the online petition because a lot of the thing i was running into was people that i are international and are registered to vote but are residents and owners of homes in belmont and felt that they wanted to have a voice and the sorry following my email i did receive a quote directly from big valley and there are actually more than that there four thousand four hundred for the base model that does not include the recycling component we don't pay taxes we may have a better i'm sorry maybe you have a better deal but that's what i wrote in my email that we we need to pay for that that's the reality that's what other communities do with the part of you know a permit fee goes towards the trash and that's how the costs are covered that's the go back to what we were doing and see if the rats come back i guess but my guess would be that well you know wes what you are probably not thrilled about that but no west health department i mean i think whatever we do there's always to need to be an element of carry and carry out i mean if you see the barrels are overflowing you just don't know when one of che's staff members will be able to come by and pick it up so you just got to do your part to you as a citizen to keep the party clean we don't when people are planning to have a birthday party at the park and they show up and fill all the barrels and we don't know i mean you know let's let's put the reg i think we should just put the regular barrels back right curb the cost on the weekends which is twenty three  appreciate that i do as well you do too if you're easy to see that don't be that takes place you know so i'm going to consider just putting the regular barrels back we can pick up we can pick up and then let's see what that result is and then if we feel as though w mean i think we need to do something if we did this is the beauty of it is if you did the put the parks back in and did the weekend pick up during rat season right then you would easily know if this was going to work or not and i think you know we just put signage up about  town additional money where there is no revenue source for i would urge this board to think about the steel containers that i mentioned before they're in place at beach parks all throughout this state and throughout new england and national parks as well they're bigger receptacle and they don't have any of the problems associated with mechanical upkeep so that's a middle ground that's not open barrels and that's not big belly solar which i thought was cool before i came here and the associated cost so i just please let's just investigate all the option on what i say is not the end of the conversation j markets are telling us i agree with you it's the or fall that is the issue a fifty five gallon plastic barrel in theory should work as long as it's emptied out a regular basis with a promise people mounted on the top jack liles next door and then the rats get into it and that's the issue so if i drink and very quickly i just want to go back to emily suggestion that we have more is it possible to put out two barrels in each of the four locations that you mentioned before especially during that season and as soccer season comes to an end series j markets are to public works we can put all fifty barrels out there the still be there will still be was a trial and you know this is all we're trying to figure this out that say they put in the crosswalk that say it's a state law or yield to pedestrians in crosswalk two hundred dollars fine and we talked about this before about how they got four hundred dollars and people that sponsor them and i guess and man generously went around and got some money together spoke at the traffic advisory committee and i made a promise that night to rescind funding so she was true to her word i think that's fantastic with the amount that we've received to date based on estimates from the public works department looks like we were able to purchase at least six of those signs excellent i'm in the process of generating a list of locations where i think it would be appropriate to place the signage i'll work at the police department to get their verification and it's quickly as public works and get them ordered in and delivered we can put them in place  through the public process over the several months that we've been taking comment on traffic issues that there are locations that are in badly need of science not necessarily at intersections there are locations along propellor road for example t board right because we read too in terms of the number of crosswalks in which these signs could be placed yes and so yes just be aware that through the complete streets program and our involvement in that program we will be launching a website an interactive website where residents that support was in his can go to this website and they can import specific locations in the community where they think attention needs to be directed and they can surgically request the type of attention they believe is required and that kind of thing that will be up fairly shortly so so i know a great i guess but just to build on that i'm sure there are six sites here i think this is fantastic are there other very low cost initiatives that we should be doing in the next couple of months that would address some of the traffic calming that maybe is sort of short money that we can find in the budget or fund raise through that would go beyond just the six i think when you're talking about short is going to grow but as i sit here right now i'm not sure how long that list is and i think it's something that is going to be fleshed out in the next couple of months through that complete streets program so we're asking to accept the gift of two thousand four hundred and twenty four hour old four crosswalk signage nd on favor thank you very much liane and and i don't know if chuck is here i guess on of this if this probably involves you as well the short term rental discussion which was just to kick off a topic which we're not going to vote on or anything complaint we had from a resident they could approach me and i approached the land about some neighbor who's been running an air b n b out of their house and basically been like a revolving hotel and there are all sorts of weird people coming and going all the time it seems to be like a three hundred and sixty five day year thing and they don't they did not buy a house to live next to a hotel so the other towns are you know cambridge summerville boston have been dealing with this it's not just air b n b it's bird and home away and all that about coming up with regulations for that some of them have been that you have to live in the house in order to do it some of them banned it in single family houses some of them have it so that you can only do air b n b but only for like two weekends a month i mean whatever it is i know that chuck in the planning board looked into this before in a kind of never went anywhere i think it might be time to revisit it to see if we could come up with some reasonable way to get some handle on the other hand i do respect the fact that people say i have a big house i can't afford the taxes this is a way for me to stay in my home during some supplemental income so you want to thread the needle but on the other hand i've certainly heard horror stories of people who are saying you know you don't want you know someone ever be in being a house across from a school and some sex offender is there i mean you don't want to get to have any control over the situation as they don't have to register if they're just there for the weekend rape so i don't know the question is do you after this discussion do you guys want to even look into this at all i don't want to have to say i'm surprised this and to hear because i thought we were looking at because we just had to we were together know leadership to look at this it sounds as though nothing really occurred well charles clarke chair of the playing boyd thanks mark actually what happened is under the former leadership they they created a subcommittee or a working group that was one member of the plane but it was rafi and there were a number of people from the town i think there were five or six game that for about six months or so and or more and  they never got any traction on it they could never get any agreement on it and it sort of died in the vine and that was one of the outstanding issues that i asked about because we had a list of things when i became chair and it was basically they they didn't go any place with that yeah you know this is one of the my sort of long range goals was to do some sort of reasonable air b n b type regulation and i wasn't sort of front loading this at any particular point but then we started getting the complaints about this one in glen did send a letter to that person and it was but the glen also raised the issue that it's very difficult to enforce that because we don't have any read any movie examined by law so and you know if some e has regulation or when they are working on one of those a proposal in front of the board board of aldermen there you can actually go online but you know if you spread about how boston went and passed there's yeah i mean that's i know some of those looking and i believe it's you can't rent it f have to live in the house see it because what happens in somerville is people buy units like condo units all around the city someone will own like twenty units an air b n b all of them so they're basically running a twenty room hotel but they're all in different buildings and it's impossible to regulate it and so and then people say you know the problem is people come from out of town they're on vacation they party all night their party in the are they drinking making noise and i'm trying to live in my unit and then then they leave in the next day a new group of people comes and parties  know i think we need to look at it again and we're all due respect to the former committed to anywhere now that now that there seems like other cities and towns are looking at and we can look to see what they're doing when they can we have some sort of regulations  to we have the senior open here in belmont you know that's that situation which i think we have another one where folks might want to rent a room or two here you know their house their large house that live in by themselves you know just rent and they have some extra income to support their you know but maybe a limited to so many days per month you could do it and i don't know what every well i think we can have common sense regulations without you know your strict thing is too much because i think it's the sharing economy right and i think that's important well regulated out of the mix and you're turning it into hotels and that reducing the stock of housing affordable rental housing or double red opal yet rental housing for people and that's something we don't want to do this  air be m d s sort of an ancillary use i think is a really good thing so if you would like us to go forward and relook at this place this year and see if we can come  lawyer also says if you have a room or two that you want to rent in your house and you want to rent it for daily or weekly periods a special permit from the zoning board of appeals to do that ok so so so there is under our current bylaw there is some means to enforce some of this auction activity that's going on but i guess in my mind and chuck and i haven't spoken about this yet but you know maybe some kind of specific special permit guidelines for use maybe better we add something i think w have think we need to be clearer and it helps every both the people who want to do or be in be in the people who don't want to and for us and for you i think putting it all making it clear to everybody because they go in there is only one as was done in the eighty's no one thought of ever being the right so it was not serve liquor or not yeah i would imagine that they would and well i decided right in somerville when they didn't like it the burden club drinks out so they had us you could not have drinks outside and then after that everyone was assured that the outdoor seating work it would be helpful to have had those answers in advance of this request or been helpful if they if they'd come or someone had come to we could have done this right here right now if they if someone was here to answer the questions unless you can get can mean i don't have a so we need to know are they serving liquor is it compliant with a b c c regulation where is the property wind and is this on our property or on theirs because some of the buildings do extend their line extends into the sidewalk right so the pronto where this one is and then the other one had to do a month limitation i mean you know i mean i would anticipate some sort of april to november kind of thing but i don't know what they're planning is clearly we have to be able to shovel the sidewalks and you know ok so can we put that for the i really feel bad about it but i really i'm not comfortable house without finding out a good day what we're talking about is this sets a precedent we've never done this before three agreed so we need to be careful craft beer seller change of ours application discussion and vote but see our changed and what they said they would want what are the hours currently where they change and i think it's in here they would like to close at nine pm instead of ten pm looks like they want to make it shorter second own favor on the last item in the well before you have to report is the revision to the board of selectmen operational rules all i've done is taken our old operational rules and since we talked about the rotating how the chairmanship would go in the vice chairman ship would go remember which yeah you're right i wrote it down so because i figured going forward we need to have if we're going to do this is a policy it should be written down we ran this by george hall who said it was fine i also put a paragraph ten in here which put in the white department white board chair language it's really not a selectman thing it really the white board would have to pass it but i think it should be in here and i put some language in here that has to be passed by the white board it should be in here i think one would hope that all of it because it puts it all in one place because otherwise you're going to play border rules and these rules so this at least references the light board rules tom's not here i don't we don't need to vote on that now but i wanted to i figured this had this meeting had a light agenda and this was a time to kind of put it on you know whatever might be might just say ok i have the authority on these rules to just to sign and it's always been a very collaborative process where we've discussed it you could say the board majority of the board shall i do that i think i'd like that much for doing that energy because i think it does provide clarity to waste so much energy in the past on this issue and this is so much more important is the conduct and the organizing and i also put the paragraph in about the organizing meeting and when that happens and what you do at it because we a strong showing in massachusetts managers and i was able to attend workshops that may be able to be translated to belmont one in particular was a workshop about having a process to notify residents in a more cohesive fashion and to then to let me live that old apartment i have attach there it's just a more formalized way to do it i would i would say some and some issues you know we probably follow and some issues we don't but i'd like to see something more uniform oh yeah i'm all for that i'm beginning to meet with department regarding the f y twenty capital city was based on the content recommendation a model on budgeting for capital which is not just discretionary funds but a global way to look at capital in the town i hope once we have done once we are done to have a are beginning training the staff on a new budgeting model for munis prior to my arrival the operating budget was done microsoft access and salaries were entered manually so this is great when you have a couple of people but if you have like thirty people working in your department at the time strain given the time and energy expended by staff to do this task did not make any sense given all the financials are done immunise every twenty operating budget will be entered in munis that's a lot of future budgets to be more accurately calculated with a not based on the feedback from the department of transportation whether the route needs to change or not so that there are a lot of folks in attendance i was actually at the business i was there there were yes there were well there were three members of the public but they were very vocal on both the route yeah ok that's it that's design and that's what we're trying that that's what the money for the design would do would deal with all of that and that i thought were absolutely legitimate concerns but there they don't really dictate the route that the concern is safety the current path comes out of cambridge to brighton street on the north side of the tracks but they don't want people crossing the tracks a great upright in street to get to the south side because that is an unsafe situation they would prefer to run it straight across because it minimizes the end of it and finding at risk were adam is it that well we haven't asked for the funding yet but i think when they tell you that they would strongly urge you to do this then you have to listen to that because they hold the purse so i would i would i would suggest then if whatever whatever the solution is may when will if in fact eventually northside is going to be chosen because of the funding issue that we work closely with the residents to allay their concerns and i agree and i would note to the public of that when we voted the route that we voted the route with the proviso that it was subject to joint know that the south was working because you know it was non controversial and well we also back to the other one which is a concern at the time we were told that in order to get the alexander avenue underpass the route had t had to go from north to south to get that now the d o t thankfully is saying no you can have the alexander avenue underpass without the path having to sneak through it that can be a standalone thing so that's a whole new game changer that was not on the table before and i