page forty four a number of plans coming google and there is still two on the table that have been waiting for proximately for years since two thousand and eleven when this final version was brought forward at that time we had hold with some federal funds and hopefully there will be federal funds available we just need to look in different areas it was dismissal parking lot for supposed to be the jam of white look to make parking available not only for employees we can start to really truly move ahead on this but i thank you because you brought it forward again it kind of has been in the belgium's for a long time one of those plans and put on the shelf collecting dust and you've brought it back out i think some of us believe that some of the ads we've put in they want to take out of this area and i'd have no problem we some reduction because it's a process going to take two or three years to really get this started there and something needs to be done and i know there's quite a few plans out there all the preliminary designs so even if plimer design was chosen would still take quite a long time to get the construction plans and everything done so i'm more than willing to have some money in there but seven point four is a little high so i'm  listen to what other people say but i have an idea of what i want to do for that number so i'd be willing to hear what everybody else i say thank you thank you anyone with no objections from the committee they food let's leave this as it is let us go through the balance of the projects that we have yet to determine and then i would like to be able to offer you a comprehensive approach to making up the difference is through the rates potential bahrain and some other considerations but i would like to give you a proposal to work from instead of  to receive if you have no objections members no objections ok thank you mr molina give us the next project for consideration please the next project countywide fire facilities on line thirteen fifteen say i feel kind of lonely today because there's only one one of our groupies in the back the rest decided not to show up at this time and i feel kind of lonely i don't feel that heat in the back of me today so i just want to mention that yeah we thank her for her that were station for fifty thousand dollars and apparatus stores at the holy who are station for thirty five thousand dollars and to relocate storage locker and turn out gear for one hundred seventy five thousand dollars also at the whole little station ok ok thank you thank you miss the money enough so that being said i'd like to reverse the reduction and add it back on the whole thing yes all o no three nineteen for the county wide fuel tank replacement cured is there any proposals for the community rentals are not readily available but we do have these cottages if we can bring it up to you know livable conditions and i don't know when was the last time it's been repaired but those cottages were built many many years ago so i would like us to consider some budget to add on to the return and i'm sorry i don't have to break down what it what the if you lost that for a moment to look for that thank you any of the comments you've missed the requests from misc ravello mr couch just here and i think it was it might have been your comment that part of it was for the classroom at fire yeah yeah at the yeah i think we all agreed that we wanted to cut that out and we kind of agreed that hundred thousand is fine for the renovations but i think what either  key anything else members raiser college thank you mr and that was again my concern as the funding source and last night i was talking about accountants said that no you want to do the borrowing on long term stuff especially at cheaper rates just my last final thing otherwise if we go the other way i'm fine with that as well and i understand your philosophy mr coutts and you know i and approach is there anything else if not move on thank you very much he's not here but i remember her if i recall correctly she mentioned that mr goodbar directory has transmitted i believe on friday that is correct documents to help secure the issues of the this is only partial funding and i believe the director mentioned i don't think it was in chambers a but on the i asked him about the involvement of maui lonny partners and they're providing a million dollars of funding for this project so i would agree that if if the if the paperwork is all set to go and there is  please the next project is thirteen ninety three for a county wide resurfacing but i believe we're going to revisit that once we balance right so the next project would be thirteen ninety seven for a county y safety improvements member guzmn had indicated   street light like it's not a flashback i had spoken to mr good and he said it wouldn't be a problem because there's an existing pole apparently it was supposed to go up to twenty years ago and it never happened they just put the pole up without so i just i want a light there so that there's constituents really been waiting for that for years and he said it wouldn't be a problem so thank you for your due diligence take that up now on the on the prior line thirteen ninety three and that proviso was to set aside three hundred thousand dollars for a high street upon its dedication to the county victory no and that was it i mean we know that according to mr good that that also is one of those agreement that should be coming forward very quickly and like molly loni he has street is i mean it is a major thoroughfare for this community  both for business as well as a residential traffic so and so this is a method of getting the dedication completed the owners have i think agreed to keep two years of worth of insurance and and until we get all the major upgrades to that street so good had mentioned in a number of meetings that i ended that three hundred thousand would be able to complete this and a quick once agreement  is in place they'd like to go in and get it done so that's what that's what that provides it and i put it in so long as the greenman is reached and signed if not if it's not dedicated then just money can be used somewhere else but at this point in time it looks very good that we've done in the next in our our own districts and i just i trust mr good to select those that need the attention first and and i would i would appreciate it if everyone would just simply  try to trust their trust the department of public works and that they're going to get to the roads on a timely basis based on well i'm not sure we can guarantee a timely basis but at least an order of the condition of the road has presented a breakdown of where he has his priorities are and i don't i don't have it handy but if if they hire moose the top of that list for the upcoming year i certainly don't have a problem with that but i just feel like if mr victory you know and this cochran both put in provisos i'm going to put in a proviso for all than the roots on the top of the road i don't drive over them but i've got a lot of constituents that feel it's very unsafe i've got a cup a clue a road which is busting up everybody's trucks because of the patchwork and so i can get done for a number of years and so i'd like to have some resurfacing in that area too so i just i think if we go down this road every one of us is going to have roads that we want to get done and then we may not be doing them in the right in the lineup so that's just my concern i have nothing nothing against either one a or a how but i'd just like them to get done and and order of priority so that's my concern is thank you very much to her and i hear what mr wade is saying and of course we can all have a long list i am sure none of us escapes the comments of constituents who you know want their roots fixed and of course it's a thing of somebody figuring out which one needs to be fixed the most but i do want to support mr victor reno's a recommendation i happened to be on st louis street last evening enjoying all the watching the the stripe being that rude is really really that it isn't striped properly i'm going to be a terrible accident one of these days you know there's there's a liens and they're not clearly marked so you don't  supposed to be and leaving that time at night there's cars parked all over which make it worse because the lane that i'm supposed to traverse in parked cars so now i'm into the other and it's a way road cars all over the place because the markings are so bad and there's something's going to happen and i don't you know i don't think that's a good idea i think i have puddles all of them my district i mean come on our roads are really old and they need help but when it gets to safety and something like this it's gears me and so that's why i would support you know trying to have somebody really take a look at that  you know missed by some brings up i think an important point is how street is and comfortable with i don't think this is going to do anything about the with and i don't think you can do you can't fix much with striping because of the because of the with so i'd you know again i'd just like to be sure that we're fixing a problem that i agree with the safety issue but resurfacing and doesn't know doesn't fix the taking it from here because mr good felt that was a good place to take it from because some of the concerns you will will be addressed because the dedication of the rule would be i was and part of it was this will ensure the owners will not step up to the plea and sign contract because they would like to know that we're going to help take care of this road which if you'll remember some twenty years ago was opened up as a fever back down that road was a lot it had a gate both and very important not safety only safety is part of it but getting the ag and other things compliance get it done and that way the road would be to our control and mr good i would be asking down the rule to put no parking only the one side to make sure we don't have this problem because one of the biggest problems is the residents and visitors park of both sides of the world so the street kind of goes like this and you just don't know where you are where you're moving along so this is a multiplicity of improvements that could fall under this according to  good's so anyhow i don't want to take all the time you know i will see how they fare as far as voting for the proviso i would hope they would give strong consideration because again this is a very heavily haven each of a street by residents and our commercial entities police next project it is traffic calming programme on fourteen zero four and the matter here was to reduce the amount of sixty thousand three sixty i miss cochran to provide for the staffing in the public works hailes section for the equipment operator and labor in west  chair and i believe also mr good said that that amount was fine because he wasn't getting a lot of requests from traffic calming for traffic calming devices and we did ok the labor the labor position previously so with that in mind so yeah i just share recalls you know is there any questions or additional consideration for where this area keep you for the requests pavement rehab at various locations in south mali he is your coach you wanted to take that out of pavement rehabilitation countywide but there was another portion of south korea hero that was scheduled to be in that too so and this one gets federal dollars so that's the reason why i wanted to revisit that thank you thank you and i wanted to restore a key  thank you can you read the lists  bonfire one million fifty thousand dollars you get a reduction of once you fifty seven five so on the bar and it will be eight ninety two five hundred four thousand gallon tank we reduced on the roads bridge maintenance program highway five and let's  in very bad shape so if you bear with me i'd like to i don't have for every member but i be if we can have this passed out to take a look at as  i am really doing this on behalf of the menai which is the east side community and for the firefighters that you use this in the operations and so part of the justification reid says frame where as other main structure members of the chances of a fire apparatus that care of this job at the weight of the entire apparatus as well as flex twists during driving on an even terrain the current book open for carries seven hundred fifty gallons of water wayne three point thirteen tons this water weight combined with the overall weight of the fire apparatus and equipment places a significant amount of strain on the structural frame rails weakening of frame where els due to corrosion does not work well with twisting and carrying significant significant weight some of the other factors that have not been able to be fixed on the twelve by fire mechanics after multiple attempts and a front suspension is damaged or worn and out of balance causing feathering or cupping of tires guarantee that goes down within a opportunities i recall in our meetings with them on behalf of our community was public safety for the safety of your community should be utilized to c funds and out include it at that meeting that we had from presentation from the fed people at that time was and that includes your facilities as well as other questions all i understand the importance because there is nothing except you have to come in from kind of to cry and that's quite a distance when you have a major fire out there so i really really really good could support something of this nature i think it's i've seen brush fires and you're well aware of the forest fire they had many years ago up on the mountain that got out of control and went for for a month and a half and devastate a lot of the the forest preserves and indigenous and we somehow somewhere we can find the money to help this get completed for formal k i would be more than happy to try to see what we can do mr coach famous chair and i too can support this that those pictures look much worse than mr white's tractor so my question concern is is this all we need to do or is there a lot of we could i mean definitely going to work so that we go for the least costly we are financing anything so this doesn't take additional person know when i look at the pictures it looks like it's not very well maintained and my concern is if if we have a thirteen year old truck that's built to last for a lot more than thirteen years and we seriously need to look at how the departments maintain their vehicles when i look at the steel for the rust on the steel frames or the remember the term they use it's doesn't look very deep to me it doesn't look like it's structurally deficient but you know i can i can support my eye but i'm not one of those districts that can hunt i like mr cowan and then miss cochran recommend because there is it now there are around going on currently in the community where by we will receive another resolution for e c v b v proposal in paper they had said in there anybody who has had it applied for it before cannot apply again on this round i have an issue with that but that's the way it appears to be going so unfortunately they won't be able to do that unless i don't know if they could word it differently or i don't know how they would be able to do it but essentially they pretty much next all the projects in there and said come back but except for those there because for whatever reason they're saying if we reject one we reject them all which is total b s in my opinion but that's another story and i don't know and i would prefer that we make the federal funding more available to mix and mortar types of things that provide benefits to the broader community and  that the county equipment be funded by us so the other question that i would like to ask the department is what's going to happen to this tank is it going to become a back up or is it going to be decommissioned and and  because i would bet that if we go to molokai a year from now and when this tankers replaced will find this tanker they're still parked in the lot and that would tell me that it's not as deficient as they're suggesting well one thing that we are going to learn more about in the near future is a body is government surplus auctions where the county can get revenue from  be be my notes but i think one sixteen sixteen i still show as we revisit but i'm not sure one six one six one six well what we've done is we've took this lapse upon money but you know i am also concerned about you know cation and space and whatever and i'm you know i'm just concerned that i don't want everything to come to a screeching halt maui expansion for the twenty nine million there was i think mr baez told us that they only spent around two hundred thousand of the one point five million as per the question mr white chair white brought up so i believe there was more than enough in the in the money that we already had allocated for them at the one point five that we were ok with getting rid of everything because they've got plenty left i think that's the way the conversation went but i'm not sure so if that's the case i'm fine with yeah if that's getting it i want you to take it out ok thank you mr white i'm not sure what church the administration had quested thirty million dollars twenty nine million dollars was in the bond fund another million dollars is in their laps bond fund they do have a contract with group seventy four the design at approximately one point five million dollars the current expenditure so far is two hundred seven thousand the current and the balance remaining is one point three million they need additional monies put in this year's budget and sixteen budget for the remediation of the pot a landfill berm and so i would like to  recommend that we reduce the mcconnell closed landfill remediation from three fifty to three hundred and do the same with the y could close landfill and landfill berm project two hundred fifty thousand and with that would be from lane sixteen seventy eight there would be adjusted to three hundred on line sixteen eighty four that would be adjusted down to three hundred mr victory you know and thank you and i have been around this program for a long time and i realize the value this is federal passthrough money the revolving fun as i mentioned i think mister taylor mentioned we've got something like two hundred thirty one million dollars in debt because it's money we get every year we lend out at a very very very reasonable rate many times people with bonds g o bonds and we're able to continue the shiite the projects by using this money and so i would i know this is indebtedness but at a very very reasonable cost i think in fact if i may remember right there is no real interest all it is is an administrative charge the development of meeks water water and other environmental issues and so the evolving fund to me is something that i'd like to see preserved you know it's something that we use it can continue to use and you know you said you know you've set aside seven million for upcountry well you could set set aside three hundred million and only then would we really get a chance to catch up in just up country area not talking many other areas around this community especially areas like why look cool and even coldly that are hitting fifty sixty seventy years of life expectancy i sure as heck do not want to see us be like what they have means what i mean breaks constantly and i agree with mr victory ms bice this is going to add one i think one point five million gallons to the system to the areas where the item planned in the general plan so you're going to have the biggest growth south maui and central maui both of those we have a project coming in it's going to be coming to us pretty soon for that area and again the maui island plan and talks about that's where all the growth is going so if we can get that if we can get ahead of the curve on that one that would be unique for us here for thank you for is there anyone else that has a question or mr yes you know i generally support this measure and i will support it i agreed with your reduction simply because of my frustrations with the upcountry water problem and i continue to be frustrated i don't believe the department has the commitment and mr taylor communicated with me last night that he has he's willing to put forth a plan to completely evaluate have hire a consultant to completely evaluate  the each of the locations of the meters that have been requested and come up with a design that would provide the main line in main line construction and storage construction and potential well locations to start solving the problem so i don't think this can be put in c i p because it's consultant work but i would like consideration that that be put back in the operating budget so that we can have him work on some that we can hold his feet to the fire with my disappointment is that that recommendation is something that could have been made four years ago by just appointment is that you know we're we're still way way behind in providing water resources to people scuse me there unfortunately being treated differently than everyone else in the county this this increase in capacity for  is simply going to allow us to shut some pumps off and have things in reserve or we don't have that up country as mr taylor said we're working at one hundred percent capacity and we can't get over the next six to eight years i don't think he's going to get more than four hundred meters so i think my frustration is that once we pass the budget it's a question of whether something's going to get done so each year i feel like once the budget is passed as a as a free pass to do what he feels are his priorities as a and not necessarily the priorities of the policies we set by utilizing the budget to provide  direction gave him bond money of ten million last year and two point six in cash my guess is that two point six and cash is going to lapse because i he has not provided the leadership and direction that is necessary to make a change in the upcountry water system it's been it's been said by people in this bice community and my community that he's made comments of them that the country water system is not a priority for him well it's a priority for this body and i don't know how we can sit here year after one trying to do the same and you know i guess i guess we'll just have to hope like hell that he's going to perform know i'm happy to take him up on as his offer of coming up with a consultant contract that will provide the first critical look and significant  evaluation and projection of what needs to be done to fix the problem but it's just part of my ongoing frustration because i these are some things that should have been done four  do too and you know i really would like to see more more attention paid to that country problem because i think it's been around too long and it's a challenge to all of us to try to deal with it i've been listening to all of this now and you know as i keep reminding people i'm only four months on the job is what are chair so i'm still in the learning mode but i'm learning quick and i'm thinking that maybe it was said you know we passed the budget and then we don't do anything about it on to we're back in budget again i'm thinking that maybe as part of my water resources committee meetings at least maybe every other month or so that we have mr taylor come and report to us what we have approved rather than kind of waiting and letting it go so i think we can monitor it a little more closely that will make him review it and i'm sure he does but you know he needs to come and report to us so maybe i should make that part of my water resources committee agendas and let's kind of p more attention then we have that might help to some love if you want to use that term and i it's very important because criticism is easy he did which no other which no other director has done in the past twenty years it's not in the water meter least slow as it may be  know what everyone has ideas and no one wants to in a sense said come up with what we all agree upon so that's number two number three as a part of this study i would like to also put in i don't put a provi the request to have part of this study of about upcountry for the connection of central and our country we've talked about it we've talked about it for twenty five years it's not something new it's not my it's an idea that's been around anyhow i don't want to continue to believe it a point i don't want mr taylor to get all the blame because somebody falls right back on us some of it falls on people not willing i repeat not willing to pay more because we cannot the low hanging fruit is no longer available you said many times to cheer their reasonal free lunch we got to pay for what we need are you willing to do that i hear yes many times until the figures come out a no no no i can't afford that i don't know the answer to that question except the fact is we've got to have the political will to get this job done so mr taylor you're listening to this i agree we're going to put your feet to the fire whether it's reports whether mr wright is in your office every other week to tell you that it's got to get done i don't know what the answer on that one is but what we need to do is we have to have the political world because we are i repeat we are the only county for which the department of water supply falls under the council and the mayor we're the only anything works i mean i'm bigger than well let's get let them be autonomous and i'm thinking well we tried that before and we came back so i don't think they're just moving it back and forth is going to solve the problem i think what we'll meet will solve the problem is everybody getting together and focusing on a solution and not getting distracted and i promise you that this is a job that i'm really having a hard time doing but i'm going to be on it and i'm going to pay attention because it's my district and it's my entire life that i have dealt with this country water problem i always that to this community to try and i'm going to work it's much much as i can with mr taylor and anybody that i have to to try to at least make one little difference i don't think that i can solve it but i want to make it better thank you support i'm happy to support the water committee chair and her request to put this back in the budget and i would agree with mr victorie know that dave taylor certainly cannot be blamed for a lot of the challenges that he's dealing with but it is his responsibility to serve all of our citizens and he has been in the on the job for four years now so i and to the other point that you know i can be in in his office telling him what to do i can't do that none of us can make them do anything the only thing we can do is this kind of like if i can if i think back to my youth roller derby all we do all we get to do is build the cart and put it in the back of our truck back to our car and take it to the hill and once we pass this budget the kid is in the rolled up derby car going down the hill and whether  crashes form of crosses the finish line we have no control over we can do you know we can do nothing once that that happens so you know we have to count on mr taylor's willingness to make this a priority so my i would like to say that my support of this is conditioned on us going back to the ops budget and putting in i would suggest a ups here in the discussion i see no reason why the department cannot currently use some of the ten million dollars we have in the current budget for the country deflationary calculation but this is for the project and i know what i'm for you know but it's not a county wide thing in what this money is going for the project well do we really want to be specific in our pool that this is what we support and this is where we want the money to go or you just want to leave it in county wide and he for some reason does it happen and it's fifteen million for them to do whatever they want under colony white well two things one i believe yes it is for the project but that affects county at least two or three districts in the county so i'm not sure if that is good for county wide but the other thing is we can just change it from upgrades and replacement to that specific project i think we should be fine but i think it would be a county wide oh no it ain't so you know i mean it's just a matter of how we want to address the  six you know so i mean you know it's a party but you know if you want to and we name it that's fine but i also want to know i want to know that if if something goes wrong with things don't come along real well and other projects could move up to the top it would still give these projects an opportunity but once you specify it may make it more difficult missed it you know but it's your call i mean i understand what you're saying and so if you please allow me maturity to in dziedzic of this thing ordinance to enter into governmentally agreement for a loan from the state evolving fun for the water treatment facility replacement that is the specific legislation name it's going to be for street to this for and the amount not to exceed fifteen million dollars so that's why i said it's easy to be legislation in having the legislation budget match the bill for an ordinance that's the vehicle for the mia to go get the fifteen million dollars would you agree with th mister yesterday i would be good for clarity thank you do you think you missed by so thank you very much i don't have any problem with what you're doing i think it you know it's the thing we've been talking about the frustration and this will eliminate frustration because if the fifty million is for this and we don't use it for this well you can't use it for something else we just tighten it up and i think everybody will be a lot happier with you know getting the results that we hope we're going to get so i don't have any problem with that what i need help understanding is you mention using this year's funding we know that we're sitting on this kitty that had ten ten million dollars of bond in two point six million dollars of cash is that what you're talking about twelve point six million that money i'm seeing existing money is basically is available for that the rector to currently use to address the concerns that mr wade brought up referring to money that's real floating around in the water the by men by git or this plan that we set aside which i'm having difficulty trying to figure out how to use i talking about the budget we have set aside yes yes study yes ok it i'm ok with that too but i want to know where we're going thank you is there any other questions on the proposal as i have presented it to you regarding the fifteen million dollars  a coach and you just now that we had all this discussion just restated for me please we are going to change the projects to the  but that was about this money was for and you know we have to be careful with our water tanks because we you know we have to water problem country and we want to make sure that our tanks are in good condition because the leaking tank is all we need to top of the  chair just to clarify the department proposed project sheet in the key to say eight hundred thousand in restricted funds would be for design in the project description to describe design monies for eliminating engineering reports for transmission lines in the very much you know we have had i'm sorry i'm done frog it's taken over i guess the late nights are not helping but anyway the committee has discussed this money several times and we have still we  have course we had the budget breaks so we haven't been able to go back and finalize we do have some recommendations to make of a couple of bills that are being through after one of the things we're trying to deal with is to see how we can reduce the need up country in that water meter list by doing some fire flow restriction of duction so you know we have strict requirements and we don't know if we really need to have them up country in very rural areas so we're looking at possibly doing that we're looking at ways to assist with people that have very expensive connection problems but we have not been able to you know to nail it down and i'm aware that the clock is running and i didn't know that this money's going to expire in december so i don't want to give it back and i think it's ridiculous that you know if water deep i mean really needs money then let's use it for some meaningful project and let's make things better you know we may not get the outcome we originally wanted but we need to have an outcome and i don't want to give it back i think that's one of the things that people have watched the water department and said oh you guys get money back so i'm trying not to go there right and if you create opportunities in probably because it's a combination further clarification the director of water supply did provide correspondent stated april twenty fourth identified as w s five in this correspondence he breaks out the water restricted fund projects this eight hundred thousand many other parts of my district are without water this is mines seventeen forty seven hundred forty and this is how they leave this is just for design work but yeah so you're ok with yeah it's not a good idea to have everybody all the contractors out there and know that hey we got a slush fund so we can do cost overruns so i can agree with you know an emergency fund or for lack of a better name but i also understand the other side of it and i clearly share your frustration you know it seems like when the county or state puts out a project to bits  and i don't understand part of it is what we require and the people who work in the contractors get frustrated with us but maybe oh we're going to be having a whole bunch of budget amendments so maybe this can be handled that way you know if everybody can see that a project is going to be more expensive than what we thought it was going to be then we're going to have to find a way to get the money but that's that can be handled you know it's a compromise you know again we're going to do more close monitoring i think that's any considerations you would have to present in fact i would like to ask is there any accounting of last year how much funds are put in and how much we have left or how much they've been convert from last year in this particular area on the restricted funds m and the county wide and we should funds for countywide upgrades and replacements there was a million dollars and the million dollars remains an maybe he can take a look at this laundry list and tell us what the priorities are if we want to narrow it down a little bit more because there's this concern about you know the list along and whatever i'm sure he has some of these that are at different stages and coach thank you mr chairman i recall mr taylor being up here saying that sometimes they get over aggressive just in case they can do it so i can imagine that's why it's the four point t i would like to see i think they can do it at the two point two point five you know it rissa codes that's a great challenge to get support moving it to two point five because that's a great challenge from  committee and let's see if they can perform in there we reassess in ten months research wait thank you chair and you know i just have to bring up again the fact that we have six million dollars in the water fund that is a overhead charge back to the back to the county back to the general fund if we were serious about and and i believe everyone is serious about moving ahead with capital projects and expand in the the reach and capacity of the system of that and the safety of the system but it's kind of hard for me to think that we're really serious if we're allowing six million dollars to be taken out of this fund and shipped off to the to the general fund by just a rough calculation that's eighty seven million dollars and c i v that could be covered by that amount of money if it stayed in the water fund for this year and in suing years so it's you know when you when you look at the fact that they have their own finance department they do they have done because they were  on their own for a while they do a lot of things themselves so i'd like to challenge mr boss to go back and look at the allocation of overhead to the water department because you know they they do get charged for the time the water committee spends they get charged for corp counsel they get you know supporting them in water issues and some of these are i'm sure are appropriate but i think it would and this is my my my my position to me and reduction in this area because it helps all the districts across the board and so that would be my only request in that respect and then reaching other things that you know how we move money around almost programs around the chair ok ok that's my that's my recommendation to keep moving or anything else i need to do would do thank you is there any further recourse in this mr chair mr coach speaking just on behalf of miss cochran she had some concerns about that one which still did respond to her question right how the counties moving forward to settle that issue right and she didn't like that idea but you know i'm not sure that anybody else  coach you know the chair doesn't support that i want to i want us to have control over it at this point enough for the trail and then the audit to skin the after review make their recommendations again if it's  i also would like to support your recommendation and to keep consistency i do not want to see any type of inconsistency because of an issue that  to support your recommendation because i think this may be something we can remove two or three or four years down the road but for now i think to provide a consistency over an area that there's been some inconsistency i think it's important for us thank you so much chair i can count i wish to thank you so much is there another area then members as it's being passed out essentially i'm adding the provisos wanted it time for the economic development revolving fund projects that came up  still viable and i know we all had in different numbers had some desire to have these and so this is our chance to put them in the economic development re volving fund and vote on them individually and i know the chair is not supportive of grants but i do know that there have been mis ras brought in and there's places all over the country that do grants and it does bring back a lot of cash economic development into the industry so i guess mr the first thing is to in very great detail this is the one that they're going to be doing some experiments on the international space station and it's going to bring in jobs here and also provide quite a bit of publicity for you know something else other than tourism from our very high tech very precise stuff so i think it's a it's a very worthwhile project thank you chair thank you any other  were assigned to look into this economic revolving find we did extensive research nationwide looked at various churches dictions had at least three telephone conference  communications with i believe the franklin revolving revolving find on the mainland then we amended the ordinance itself to be a little bit more restrictive and have  panel along with the economic development board i went through review process of about i believe there was twenty plus applicants and cut it down to i believe five or six then a resolution came forward it came to my committee for discussion and then went into budget and finance so there's been extensive review over  these companies so and i believe that based on the numerical advantage is in the proof that they've shown that there is going to be a return not only by jobs but by  any comments mr boyd thank you chair and i appreciate mr couch bringing this forward but i do need to point out that this could have been done six months ago  and it couldn't be voted on time because it was it was brought to us as one package and a number of us had concerns about one one of the projects or before the committee so please be aware are the my patients of what we can and cannot do in in the sunshine and not in the sunshine regarding commitments before we committee we chose not to accept the proposal as how he presented it in a more all inclusive comprehensive approach and we had requested that he submitted individually economic development and there was a process set forth that the mayor transmitted his proposal it does allow in three point eight one of the colony code that you know proposed appropriation shall be submitted to the council for approval as to of other funds if i recall correctly when the council wanted the authority to appropriate itself clearly delineated that authority in the code this one doesn't have that language the way it's written right now however chair it is you know the policy of the council if they want to interpret this in a way that does allow them to i believe we can support that also thank you so then we can initiate our own proposals from this revolving phone without a request from the administration that so because this is what we're doing we need to take out of the  possibly could be interpreted that way but i would i wouldn't recommend it i wouldn't recommend taking the communication i believe it was fourteen nash two to three and treating  appropriation submitted to the council for approval because it you know wasn't really for this annual budget it was a i think it was a resolution or a budget amendment earlier in the year so i wouldn't recommend this course of several businesses to be the applicant and then the resolution or the resolution coming from the mayor requesting an amendment to the previous budget to appropriate these funds to  these businesses and never even got a light of day because he didn't call for a vote so to even of allowed it to even had that opportunity to kill the entire resolution or not it wasn't given to the committee so i i see you basically have caught ourselves in a i don't technical loop hole i suppose but i don't think it's fair that body should have had an opportunity to get their vote it all down or pass it i know that we requested the mayor to bifurcate separate and the mayor wasn't willing to do so but still the body should have an opportunity to either vote on the resolution that was put forth to the committee or not it just wasn't presented and never saw the light of day as hewitt said and i don't know if that's fair for the committee but we should have had an opportunity to have voted on it so all that hard work that a lot of people put in and all  is for not so that's just my opinion and place it on the record thank you thank you anyone else that's all static you like but i'm just you know i'm not a lawyer so i understand mr yoga has more of a background but i can't find anywhere in here where it says we can't do it says it's up for application processing fees council appropriating appropriations from the economic development shelby for public and so it says council appropriations right there i don't know if mr we can educate me on that ok thank you chair under the you so fund it goes over what you can use the fund for and how it should be done under the administration of the fund however any proposed appropriation shall be submitted to the council for approval as a budget appropriation in either the annual budget or a proposed amendment to the budget ordinance that's in three point eight one or three or c and i guess what just what i was trying to say is i don't believe there is a proposed appropriation before the body right now because i don't believe the mayor submitted it in his f y sixteen budget however if you know that's just my take on it think you understood then were we were allowed to it doesn't say that it's the administer duration that has to do that and i'm just trying to get  educated says except for application process the fees and a proposed appropriation shall be submitted to the council for approval as a budget appropriation but it does  doesn't say by whom i don't see where it says by whom because we can always do proposals during budget time that this is our only time that we can do that if if  major thank you chair you know when you read that in conjunction with section your request for use of the fund shall be initiated by filing an application with the director of economic development if they did it implies that goes through the administration process and it would get forwarded to the council and like i said earlier i'm not sure you guys do have the power to change all of these ordinances but i believe other ordinances clearly specify that when the council wanted the authority to appropriate on its own that the council had that authority so it's one of those things it doesn't say you can't but it doesn't say you can so i'm not sure how the council wants to interpret that right now thank you well  i know one maybe two that would like to interpret it as we could do it but that's just a chair that's my stance thank you the immediate for consideration mr cohen and i understand what you're saying but that that's the whole problem with the thing is that it was lumped up but those are those are proposals that were sent down just because the budget amendment lump them all in one thing they're still submitted to us for consideration and that's why i thought at this time we could do them individually because they they say it is still an item in committee but and be that kind of communication number fourteen two to three specifically says what each project is for  don't see how and i'm willing to take i'm willing but i guess we need for i need for other people to be willing to take a chance on the interpretation because i think these are important projects and people guzman said took a lot of time to go through vet these projects this is done all over the country to really good results you know good economic benefit and we've been talking the last three or four days of trying to diversify the economy this is it right here this is this is a way to do do it there's a lot of jobs that could be created here that are in high tech or other  which is the next one is exporting we're actually going to export stuff from maui other than pineapples i think that's the only thing we export no maybe sugar and i don't know if that goes out or not if it stays in  that if the chair held on to it in allow it to be even voted on so we never even got an opportunity to vote on it and so these were fifty fifty matches like whatever the county would put up the company also had to match and that some of them already had lined up loans from the banks and because of this longer delay the initial  businesses that were on the lists windell down windell down to what you have now is for because they lost their other opportunities to go forward it just wasn't done in expeditious way and were still hanging on you and you're saying that they'll be another opportunity well there will i don't think there will be truthfully because i think it's just going to never see the light of day and these companies  are hanging on to the ability to utilize this fund and it hands our economic development here and molly i don't know whether they can hang on any much  longer i think the process is been delayed too long to give them a final yea or nay i mean if at least had that that resolution placed on the floor if we didn't like any of them then we should have just voted no on all of it but at least given that opportunity to give these businesses an answer you know conclude the process because we we  created this process and we need a conclusion whether it was a good one or a bad one but it needs to have some type of finality to it that's all i'm asking and if if we do it this way will be it but i would have rather calm down through the regular process and and had it voted on it we would have been done with it sixteen so that means this whole entire goes away unless we read and we authorize reauthorize basically so so what we're talking about if not done by that date then is a moot point and so well then again if we voted on a guest that would be a problem to yams that i'm just trying to figure a way to move this on off the board because right now we stuck  but by a disapproval of the entire package by this body from the previous for the two thousand and fifteen budget and that's want to still be running into the same problem as just leaving the provisos in the way they are right now you have that same problem is the word issue that basically you're saying we'll provide it this way but if we if we pass the mayor's proposal the mayor's proposal goes through but if we don't pass the mayor's proposal then these go through i think you'd have the same issue that we thank you i mean you know i  mr victory and ability to try to compromise but i i think that if the better route and i would be willing to agree on is if you chair is is willing to put your word that type of triggering of you know a situation where the budget itself would be a question because of our there's not really a line  line saying that our decision to incorporate this into the budget is appropriate or not so i would rather save the entire budget by avoiding a question of law as to its illegitimacy thousand just you know i want to say is i think any member who has come to me and asked me for some considerations i've tried to work it everybody who's approached me and i made it clear that the before budget i was going to on schedule ian or anything else so as i say that that that's my understanding as your chair from january first that you gave me this responsibility  have you noticed that when it will be scheduled but i will schedule it i have no problems with scheduling to make you have a decision and we can move and i think we can move forward with whatever the body then decides  let's do this in committee and not on the council floor so i'm going to schedule we can have our discussion to make our recommendations to council what final action may be which whatever way we decide i'm happy to do that i've listened carefully to the discussion and i do know that this is a hot potato however mr coach is the maker of the proviso so i'd like to hear from him sure as to whether or not you know he's happy with what what is being discussed as a compromise for me like i said hot potato i'd like to see this debated in a meeting where the public can come and do something that's noticed that the public can come and  testify when this was brought up and i agree with the frustration of the people that see it sitting around and we need to decide yes or no i mean people are entitled to know you know are we going to do it or not you know sometimes it's very difficult to say no but then once you know you act accordingly when you don't know it makes you crazy because you're trying to figure out do i go ahead with my business do i buy this that or what you know what i'm being so i understand the frustration but i do think that i would rather see this  and with what you're trying to offer as a compromise and commit to i'd like to see it handled that way this budget process has been very consuming and difficult as it is and to bring something like this into it is just going to make it worse so i like to go with the compromise thank you mr coach thank you mr cherry and you're right it is quite unusual where you're supporting the administration  i don't know if we've jumped into a different universe or not i totally understand the concern about tainting the budget and you know i would like to propose that if we all like this and we have concerns about tainting the budget and oh by the way mr old i said i don't see where you can do it but i  see where you can so here's a proposal i have is that if we we can go through and do each one of these individual a as there are concerns on and some of them and have a request to corp council for an official written opinion whether or not it works if it if by the time of first or even second meeting we get something back from corp council says you're fine then we're good to move on but if we get something that says no you can't do it this way we can certainly make an amendment on the floor to remove these provisos and that would answer the question on whether or not the budget there's issues with the budget and at the same time in first and second reading for that people can come and discuss it again and we've discussed it like i think it was we've had it in mr guzman's committee for a long long time and we had a long discussion on it so in the only reason i bring that up is because this is our chance to do it as an individual if we do it through your committee it's one package take it or leave it and there may be enough in there for enough members to not like one or another and kick the whole thing out to the detriment of the the ones that are really really good projects that i think everybody likes that can bring more diversified jobs into this economy thank you be problematic to put but the residue from the mayor on the calendar and vote on it because i would be giving ruby directing the administration to give money to company that's gone already so my my feeling is the way we should move forward is to request the administration to provide a new set of budget amendments  reviewed the calendar for me this is what i'm going to recommend hearing all of the different perspectives that approaches to this consideration i would recommend that we  all of this four part provisos today i am willing to post a meeting on this matter on may fifteenth if you feel so willing to agree to meet and then we can the discussion on the individual projects and then prepare amendments that could be considered at first reading and therefore we can lock this up and or calculations and then did ready for council and then do a deal with amendments at first reading but you would have the chance to discuss i'd like that proposal because i think it's difficult for us to number one know which of these is still viable right which of them are still interested in and we can't do that on a sunday at noon you know also so this might say may fifteenth if you willing to make some time i'm happy to post that meeting to have those entities also come forward responses as well as give the ministration time to prepare their comments and allow mister the day that we have some flexibility so i'm not too sure what i will posted but you know that's part of the same thing and i'm willing to make the time we can work with the scheduling and have an opportunity to have this discussion in a and get information on each one if we have the up or down vote on that one at that time and fourteen mr grossman won't be are we i think we know where he stands but the issue is if it goes down and we he's you know members are still willing to post it have the ability of those interested parties to come forward share information because the matter what that will be the final plus he can take his tablet on the golf course and take a look at the meeting and follow along package the proposal is as submitted to the committee to the referral so what is the proposal in committee is to vote on it as a package we will have the opportunity to review it each project consider appropriate amendments on first reading of the upcoming budget whether or not we want to sit through a budget amendment into the sixteen budget document ms first so there's still many different ways to approach it but the media will definitely find to anita horney don't do we can do this or that or nothing at all will be told what the parameters we can move forward with but will be in position to do it as individual units ok any other questions ok that's so i plan to proceed on this consideration for m you and as i mentioned you know we have the cookie frog it's an issue but seems to be in my mind much more dangerous and could be much more devastating to this community i know they're working hard out they know he cool and they need to continue it and i want dedicated funds so that project can continue and i have been told in what he there is been some some small developments as far as colonies  ants which in most cases were caught very early so the spread has been very limited and has been really boxed in at this point in time but i want to make sure that we don't have any spread in central in any part of the colony to be honest but really essential because we do have some sunspots and then of course now he can with their infestation you know sold but that was why my proviso specifically put still still areas and of course hopefully more money will be given for the fire and in other areas as if and when and i hope never fall you know but i have heard that they may be other possibilities around the county so that's why my rationale for that was to provide those p you know that the funding goes to maui invasive species council i believe it's over eight hundred thousand we may have may have increased that a little bit but i think rather than specifying that these funds must be used for fire ants or other items i would rather if he wants to specify that the funds need to go to go to misc then i'm fine with that but let's let them decide where they need to spend the money because maybe on something else that comes up and so i would prefer that we give the people who are the nationals a little more definitely in support of the idea but to limit it to particular areas and for a particular specie for me i mean there's we know more every year we have something new and i don't want to limit the use to just yeah we want to protect these areas but he can spread the fears anywhere on any island in this county so it would sort of prohibit it to just be used in these two areas  again i look i like the idea to give it to the people who provide this type of service and expertise and even with that i'm going to get the name of the gentleman on in hilo who was able to eradicate office or orchid farm and he did it very mint with mint minimal cost so perhaps a person like that could come and be contracted to do such a job too or something so you know misc is our provider here and i'm good but i know there's outside sources true that can do this type of work so i much rather have a broad broad base thank you thank you anyone else would like to give comments or questions that would restrict how the funds would be used be there would be any hope of eradication i'm sure that it would just be controlled and run your house and whatever so it's a very dangerous area and that's way mr  several others are so concerned about that obviously we should be looking at all of there are other infestations but far and wide as it can be forested areas or that if it gets started over there we lost everything and i think that's what we really need to focus on somebody is areas that are the most dangerous on the highways also right on the highway frustration is always there and it makes it far easier to spread to the other areas and that was a boat trying to focus in that it already covers some twenty acres over there anymore and i'm afraid we might be if we do increase a fund it interesting i think we need to focus on areas where the spirit will be if it does spread we can't do anything and i think we need to always remember mark for that area because there's a military strategist will tell you if you know where the enemy is that's where you want to attack you don't want to be waving to the enemy moves out and gets out it's spread out and then you have a hard time for confinement so we know where this infestation is this is very much a problem and you know i know some people say it's not your district but it's it's my colony and i know it like it was the carroll said once it gets spread gets up an amount it's done forget it it's history we purpose what do you increase it i'd be happy if we could find three hundred thousand more i'd be very much i would ask for it in fact that was my original proposal to ask for more money but listening to you and others i was mr i try to make my point and i hope that they're risking that there was the community can support that and i also in closing i say if you want to give it to me it's fine you know i have no problem because i know they do a great job i don't these other guy coming in from big island if they're doing such a great job i know i love my family so i ain't seen no real real real success as far as some of these programs on the big island book that's another story not a conversation researcher thank you crank you misplaced thank you very much chair i don't want to get caught up in you know making any choices between whether we get rid of thank you for auxerre we get rid of you know my corn you know we get rid of fire ants or whatever but you know we've been all informed recently about the fire ants and what how bad they are and how we don't want that and we want our tourists to be able to go to the beach and sit down with him getting stronger or whatever having a fire and think get out of control could be devastating so i understand mr victory knows passion and i share it i'd like us to you know really work on this invasive species situation that we have here is really bad but i also realize that we're his sitting here in a budget trying to make things work in so i really would like a recommendation from you as to whether or not you think that there is more money that we can put towards this and i think you know i have enough i have enough faith in the misc people i think that the more we tie them down we you can spend two hundred year and three hundred dairy whatever we might inhibit their ability to respond to where these things crop crop up and i'm also sharing a concern about something else cropping up because we've seen quite a bit happen in a very short time this past year was kind of scary you know this fire and thing came out of the blue so i want them to have the ability to do that again i'll wait for a recommendation from you chair three thank you anyone else thank you for that very good discussion members  would ask you to consider in the probe in the approach part of discussion i think is warranted where i would direct the staff that he needs to we need to have some narrative made adjustments by that one point two consideration currently under the proposal that is before you get the one point two three two million there is already a lot it within that imo o ne thirty eight six five eight four fire ants what i would recommend is that we opted to one point four million dollars with no provi so i think we will put the language in the committee to report the states of our concerned with see how the department and the agencies applying for the grant respond and they will do a measurement next budget and make appropriate adjustments then but give them their opportunity to see how they manage and utilize our resources as we discuss in the implementation at that level mr white you i support that increase and i think it's i think the fact that we're putting in one point two new funds for the cookie frog will free up some of the funds that have been assigned  frogs under this line that we're just adjusting so i think the combination really takes care of of mr victory knows true concern because if it if it lightens up on the folkie  frog or money being used for cooking frogs out of that number plus the one thirty eight plus year new edition i think that that actually provides more more relief than a proviso would and yet it gives the professionals the latitude to spend the money where they see fit and that may be on fire ants and to the you know to the detriment of some other things but let's let them make that decision i  support mr picture in those intent and understand mr carroll's concerns but i think i think you're adjustment makes make sense and that it should provide us with the let's let's face it we're going from one point  point one six one and environmental protection up to two point six million dollars so it's an increase of almost a million and a half dollars for environmental protection they may need more more people to help the eradication or or what have you and so i appreciate the increase that you're doing and i think if we allow the  am very open to your recommendations because that's one of the purpose of the report is to provide fire for creation and direction clearly for those that implement our policies what we wanted the money to be utilized thousand is they requested to drop down because they didn't need them that much this year ok thank you for that clarification is there any questions is there consensus just a thank you so much mr molina programs that we have set aside thank you but i would just like to provide projects that some of these are brand new and some of them are coming back again but it kick well ok or should this and i'm ok for each program there does that does not encompass all of the funding i just would like to be assured that these projects will be included in collaboration with  council member proviso my concern is going to be is it going to be too limiting because i believe there's more funding available for that can  this is the minimum that will be considered from the part this is not the cap right and if this money is available you know that this ability for  effect of making sure that these organizations apply with the office of economic development because under chapter three point three six i think application process is required  is that we can look at the gender provisions language for any grants through a requirement yes exactly so we can address it in that manner any questions on this member five four zero this number is going to go back to six six one seven three nine page sixteen at the top line four  line we are going to add two hundred thousand dollars with a proviso that this is going to care program for county residents and then the net expenditures of charity funds for for their private operations thank you under the animal management sheltering program as well as animal management enforcement program the carry over proviso from f i fifty treats provided that county funds shall not be expended to operate pet services direct release quarantine services or any other molly humane society earned income activities not related to contractual obligations that's fine if you don't  what we do for one you know others it's like we've talked about it just through many times so long as somebody else somebody else do it they want to come money and ask you for the same thing and what does that do and have they fulfilled all their obligations with application on it i'm not with the addition of making sure they fulfilled all their application requirements and that's another really anomaly because you and i both know depending who is dead and how they look at it sometimes applications i deemed in a different manner but i  execution of the annual operating budget and even if that were to you were to say no it's not problematic there by dictating when the appropriation or you know when it will be money will be given out by you that could be problematic in the sense that oftentimes the grantee has certain responsibilities in order to receive funding and if it just says you shall give the money by x date the grantee wouldn't have to meet any of those normal requirements that the department sets forth then they have to give the money according to the budget proviso but again i think my bigger concern is more on the first part of i'm not sure if that's overstepping the consul's boundaries into the execution of the new operating budget thank you i can see mr oil because point so i with draw my request but it does bring up the can i mean the reason for their concern is the same reason we've heard from many others where you know they're stuck until their thirtieth schedule or whether we should put put extra money into some budget some year so that the following year this contract a country actual period can start three or four months after the start of the you know that's a term i made those recommendations to the comedian council supported revisions to the grant management program i would see why this might be a good subject within that continued review and let's take a short break and if you want a little longer for grab some food but i would like us so that we can start working on corrections on your behalf go through the rates and fees  these into your family and sunday evening sooner than later thank you  this meeting by this time i'd like to direct our attention to the rates and fees appendix b  under tax rate the numbers underscored by the color blue is your chairs proposal to you on page so are there any we could potentially go through we're not making any final decisions right now no you know i think you i'm sure most of us who went through it and most of us did recall and we went through this you thank you members next up component is would be on page two hundred permits by tour the chair is recommending a increase in the application fee per year from one hundred to two hundred fifty dollars consensus is there any issues with this at this time it's based like the rates do feel that that's extremely reasonable care so i wouldn't have a problem if it went up thank you thank you the same type of vehicles just mine is the same for replacements from five to five seventy five inspection fees for under subdivision outside of normal business hours by the to help get parks to enterprise position i'm making the recommendations that funded through thursday adults who go from three to five children under eighteen who go from one to three and for pet eight hundred and so the chair is proposing to retain the five thousand dollar amount thank you that's what a fine to me if that's what we have a contract he agreed with camper or whatever the name of the v a or whatever it name of will verify that it's a good number ok is there any question so so far what the chair has covered is your couch yeah the concern on the  t i guess the just the titles of the permits i believe it makes it a little bit more clear so just curious why the change for some alina thank you mr chair those headings are committee can change the code until these i mean we had a change of kind of the same time don't we we will work with coordination we have to have mister corp counsel to be involved passes and fees i also have like you receive a written testimony and verbal comment about my proposal from tax base as well as writer ship bases  offsetting that's what is we think fair for the tax base that subsidize the service so this is just my approach and you see how did you get your sixty dollars my thing was roughly that's about two dollars can support this then of course we're going to think that it's no changes we're going to recalculate highway five and it will make a difference on how we look at resources to the projects we've approved under highway funds ok chair thank you and i cannot support this and again the use of our my system many of them are the most the most vulnerable in our community and we all know that you know and and a system which is much cheaper than any shuttle system and others that they can use so i don't know if there's some way we can put some consideration to that if not now maybe have discussed its leader but maybe i'm going off track i don't get nervous going there is i got to got it got to got get you know i mean it please i'm i would i am happy to receive with your comments please don't tell us you know i see everybody getting excited so i don't i don't want to get off track but i really really would like to see some how we  need to keep or even reduce in some areas because our working people are very vulnerable so group in our society children who some of them make use of this bus to go to school and come back and visit different areas that i really believe this is not the time or what a place and we all know this public transport public transit fees never never come close to supporting the transit system there's very few places in in the nation that it and i think it's only because it's a federal law about since we're getting federal funds we can't i don't think we can do a combine a rate according to i think mr weiner and i might be able to score counsel i don't think we're allowed to possibility of giving low income people that are confirmed as low income some kind of consideration and so that's that's the concern i have i realize that we need more money and there has to be some limit to you can't give the store away but one of the ways to get around this charging different people different things is by certifying that they're low income and that way you would eliminate a lot of people and i'm not picking on anybody but you know if you can afford a whole and b kitchen maybe you can afford a few dollars more for the bust and so you know they wouldn't be they wouldn't have cards that they're certified  i'm just trying to find a way i know we've had this come up in a car discussion before and i think we were told we can do it or we're going to do it so we're trying to find a way that we can realize most revenue and you know in listening to folks who have  talked to me about this they're very passionate the bus is really important to them and they don't want to see people who are having a really hard time already so i just think the only way out of it is somehow you that they're qualified and you give you those that deserve it so i know it's a pain but i think you might have to do it if we're going to want to see more money thank you thank you for this you're your option to do it just revenue e their disability pass or bus pass for persons with disabilities is only thirty dollars per year so i think that is   passes for those sixty five years of age or older on oahu is also thirty dollars so again maybe not go that low but something more you know much more reasonable than overall rate i think on the on the major income side i think you got the right got the right number but i think we need to take care of the folks that really don't they're the ones that are working one two three three jobs and what i what i see is there are the there are a big part of the writer show so you know it's we'll i think you just wanted to correct the record i i was told it might be a federal rule that prohibits a resident papery but i'm not sure on the laws of it but it's a rule that there's a big concern and we would like to look at an option to deal with the low income component of the community but in appropriate adjustment in rates to address that section of our would be open to your committee's recommendation for the next budget year thank you again you know i have part of the chairs recommendations or suggestions to is to just start the process rolling and d that chair has made some adjustments and i was expecting a lot of communication but interesting enough i did not get a lot and part of this because of the competition out   if you look at our sister courses under the county's weekends are your revenue days is when you courses should be making them revenue to help offset residents impact in the need of three and you want to play either way what you still pay the eighteen hole rate so a lot of people get discouraged and they will go to a course of our one of our competitors that has this type of offerings the military i have i decided to propose it at the current benefit that we give the residents would resident card retirees for retirees or is as a resident card for week days i  for the full eighteen at ten twilight seven fifty nine holes five dollars we do have a rate for hawaii residents that do not live within this county  an area that we have a lot of people would like to play but get discouraged by the rates especially with family members and residents you see me making the adjustments lately lower in the full eighteen hole rate setting up  weekends and holidays the church took this as a time for us to be making money for the course and that's why you see it higher than the week berates so there's only four residents with a card you know retirees i am proposing to eliminate this as i said i'm looking at this to be revenue days for the county and that is why this proposal would asked of the retirees please make use of the week they consider weekends for their opportunity to utilize public course then residence you see those adjustments and again that has to be competitive with o dollars for the month for the month so if you go five days a week that's no changes in the current club no show back and it was a concern you had as well where you know the courses that are the public course i mean the private courses that allow the public to come in and they fluctuate their rates depending on time of year  and whatnot we talked about that a little bit about putting a range in there and allowing for a course analog just for seasonal adjustments did we ever i mean can we put that in mr guzman's committee and  provide a range of rates so that the department has flexible flexibility or do we need to give more specific directions such as seasonal rates  or have any suggestions not really a suggestion as to how to do it but i believe that's in the it's a policy decision that is totally within the purview of the council if they want to make a rate if you want to get more specific with seasons it's just how much leeway you'd like to give the decision maker on the rate thank you could we provide direction such as but you know give me a range of rates and then and but the more specific you get in your restriction the more specific you could you should be in your instruction if you want to real specific restriction you should be clear with what they have to do how they need to do it that type of personal experience i've had my children and i have haven't i forget to pay them monthly and we go to the golf course on the last two days or three days of them of the month so they won't have to pay the monthly fee for three days worth of golf and then the next you know the next day is the new month and i paying again the the monthly rate so if there can possibly be a daily rate for those times where you miss a month of payment or you're playing at the end of the month and you need to book you would be it would be easier on the parents side because i know very few of the parents so forget to pay their monthly and you know are not fond of this but i like your proposals you know my question is in regards the carts you see we have a private i guess a concession stand there that takes care of the carts we're just wondering if that you know there could be a good amount of cash that is something i think that the missing what was that it was there it is going to do is see that there's opportunities there right here and i was also thinking maybe an that's one month free if you pay for the whole year or something yeah so you know we're all so busy that i think it's a it's a possibility but as you know this is not my favorite thing but i am happy to under the next speeds overeats waterfront oh they've run back to the current rates members and my proposal you see if you leave it at the mayor's propose after nobody's had to remove the meter so that is my proposal  code they usually don't get establish the rates and the schedule thank you for that information for us mr white i think you're just wondering if staff is received the  calculation of the water department is going to provide its comparisons between our water development fees and those of the other three counties i'm just wondering if the staff  ok thank you so without the ability to compare to the others i would support your position thank you other questions considerations to help give guidance costs that are going to go up so i would think would be better do it in little lumps and stead of all of a sudden everything all the c h p fell into place and then we have to do a big huge jump so i would be speaking e second tier every month but having that when they have just one meter versus homes that are you get one hundred candles have one meter where you get one hundred houses each have their own meter and so i think that is an equalizer and that also helps secure that we don't have to keep raising their rates exponentially as far as the water usage portion you know but i'm very fortunate my home i really go over five thousand a month but i'm  some of it i support it i do think that we have to increase the water you know if we don't do it now we're going to do it at some point and you know my theory is always that you charge a little bit more each time if you need to in order to appear bills and if you don't need to well of course you don't have to raise it but it appears that we have huge what are improvements that we want and they're very expensive and we've all watched mr tuna give us every graphic depiction he can of what the we have to pay the bills and people want water because it's the key you know we don't want to nothing happens and so i think we have to you know consistently choy nickel here so that it doesn't kill everybody or ten six there where i y we haven't found the solution yet but we are working on it and we will come up with a proposal so i just wanted to you know have my say thank you no thank you for your comments miss cochran thank you and yeah understand the comments  the members to just you know skyrocket the fees overnight to assist in continuing the infrastructure issues and what have you would be such a burden on this community i  like mr you knows in the other evening and one of his projects it was a two twelve point five million dollars price tag but it was half of the bigger twenty five million dollars price tag and we approved it because it was broken down that you know to not really get sticker shock to the to the community in fear in fees raising of fees we gave him half in order to accomplish and then in the following budget cycle hopefully the other have to b however relating to the reinstall mean your proposal is to increase it by one thousand from one hundred to one thousand dollars but the code has set that fee at one hundred dollars thank you so you get to work on a bill for a little movement ordinance thank you for that any other comments or ideas you would like that you consider that and once again i need to point out that we have six million dollars of overhead charge so the entire increase that we asked the rate payers to pay last year was totally offset by the increase in the overhead charge so unfortunately mr taylor in the water department don't have any of the last year's rate increase to spend on anything that's a problem i understand that's a problem that's not going to go away it's not going to go anywhere so i have a real challenge with the overhead charge being as high as it is and it's my understanding that the a part of the calculation is that these cost allocations are based on salaries of a department of operating and c i p cash and cash to you to pay debt service but until until we can be assured that we're going to be able to provide a rate increase it's actually and give them money to work with i can't support it so i i agree with your position and the reason i also agree with the want to develop in fees is that  mine and status review of other counties our rate or our wanted to go up and fees are higher than the others so until we get so valuable ation from the department as to how it really compares  page fifteen for the subdivision inspection fees department of fire had indicated this increase however in their transmittal the identified the wrong  it should have been an adjustment to the fire inspection fees as opposed to the subdivision inspection fees which are which is located on the same page if you would refer to the  ball creates in fees handout to make that correction in addition under that fire inspection permit fees there are permits for fireworks that are located in other sections so would be to consolidate those all under this fire account in addition there was one another for fireworks display site inspections also established in state law at two hundred so this would be a new fee which would allow the department to charge when they need to inspect firework display sites so those all would all be established on page fifteen thank you  final adjustment and this is more of a housekeeping matter is there are certain animal management related fees marked under the general fund these are on page nineteen and so stuff we just recommend moving those funds to the animal management section for consistency thank you thank you thank you i apologize for that having that  know adjustments that he should not have it is housekeeping requirements that the chair felt what we have basically no choice but to at least exhibited on b b as provided by statute questions or concerns members it's at like to just thank you and staff for working on this and you know i have learned through my early time year that john are going to just figures out from nowhere and i can understand how you are frugal and i don't think you would just choose the lease agreement for this sets five thousand dollars for use fee and that is why the chair put back the five thousand dollar amount which is in the agreement ok we have one way or i just wanted to run by you that is the last speech under the heading of the special revenue trusts agency funds on page fifty and there permits kora commercial ocean recreational activity i'm activity is my recommendation to you on page fifty three this is something that we worked with our first responding that department's particular police where we passed the legislation regarding alarms and false alarms we have set up now in the exhibit and through the budget document the proposed registration and fees for false alarm response whereby under registration residential is twenty five businesses fifty renewal to reach two years presidential twenty five business fifteen failure to register for residential fifty businesses one hundred dollars under false alarm response for residential first response no charge business oh charge second response full force alarms residential would be twenty five dollars business at fifty for the third response false alarm fifty for residential one hundred for business or else subsequent false alarms would be at fifty and for residents and one hundred fifty for business mr culp shank you mr chair thank you so much for addressing the core of fees had that i think have been exceedingly low i would still i believe the item is still in mr guzman's committee i would rather i would hope that we can get to that this term because it that whole thing needs to be revamped because we could probably get more if we do it as a concession kind of thing so and but this is a good start just to let you know that you are already is working with staff to propose enabling legislation to allow the partment and during the interview we can these may whatever amendments are to allow you to be authorized to start entering into contracts the council would approve regarding enterprise opportunities so this would fall right into that component mr coach couple technical thing yes it look it may be the way it's printed but it looks like three point zero zero zero dollars per year i'm assuming you meant it to be three thousand dollars as you three thousand per park per activity so mr victory no and thank you again with the core i think it's long overdue and thank you for that addressing that situation i go down to the false alarms especially a few useful false alarm responses if i got the phone with businesses because business is should in canon are probably the ones that would be least impacted as far as making sure their alarm systems work well whereas residents you know and again you're responsible you should be able to maintain your your what you call that alarm system system we had to get certain types of parts to redo our door alarms and windows and it took a while to come in and in the meantime there was a second alarm that went off we finally had to deactivate that window to prevent it from happening but that also residents second response for residential and i still like to have no charge third one twenty five dollars and the fifth on up fifty dollars because if they haven't figured it out by the end then they got a big i mean they got to be and more and more homes have been putting on alarm systems many of them are going to reputable dealers because unfortunately thefts and burglaries have grown in almost all parts of our county and this is the one department's requests on the structure because when they believe those that will be in response the officers of the firefighters will be able to use good discretion and judgment this was not because of the homeowner or tenant this was the mechanical thing or is something that is no a control of the occupant i think it would make the appropriate adjustments as  white or broader deeper discussion as a surf shop owner i had mentioned to my husband about this and although we don't operate off beach you know parks and rec have you we have a private business he said that will put the small guys out of business for sure so you have really huge activity companies and then you've got the little mom and pop sort of home state types so i don't know if there could be i don't know if there's a sliding scale thing that could occur if your business is you know this much revenue annual leave versus how much revenue annually you get so because it needs to be kind of a fair percentage it's like our whole our whole any proposals or recommendations from any member that may have how you would like me to look at approaching as it impacts this budget in the revenues expense component some of the other things i think can be done by their pulpits standing committee i would also say though for your chair when i look at this things like cora and impacts on public access or public usage of public facilities i want to make sure technically make use of this code because it's not we have never figured out a fee structure to assist with you you one weekend referred that subject matter to your committee if you don't already have a i know we can do it that way or you can just send mr white a letter for  we're waiting for planning department to come up with their suggestions thank you very much any other questions on this speech embers staff any other additional things we need to share with the members white before we move on to another item i would like to ask for you to take another look at the tipping fees i know that was not part of your projected changes  t the you know as we've discussed before the charge for residential pick up service is about half of the cost that the county has to engage in for handling residential trash and my concern with increasing the shipping fees is that there are basically that goes to all the commercial clients whether they're condominiums or businesses the tipping fees that are charged to the haulers come back to all those businesses and my concern is that it the result is that those parts of our public are picking up pretty close to a full value of the cost to landfill whereas the others are not so in effect they're being asked to subsidize the other users so i would just ask that you be somewhat gentle with the increases in the tipping fees and the the other item that was brought up to me by those in solid waste was that ever or not every i can't say everywhere but in many places there are fees ranging from thirty five up to eighty five dollars for residential drop off at the at the landfill and they were suggesting that we just simply input a a five dollar fee for people who drop off at the landfill and then the part of the rationale that was shared with me was that we're charging eighteen dollars for residence per month and so if somebody is not getting residential pick ups and they can drop things off themselves at no charge that a five dollars fee might be appropriate and it would generate somewhere in the neighborhood of about five hundred thousand dollars of additional revenue per issues that we brought up and solid waste three can plan for you that i want to put in there i would like to we are working on language check to make sure that we can be implemented and that it reflects the policy accurately of what committee is recommending to council thank you thank you so that we are working on that mr coach anything else members regarding decelerates in fees area key very good before we enter the next recess for staff requirements i would just say that on various comments and concerns about what kind of country has come before us why do we have such horrible positions and then get stuck with an arbitrary decision that is very expensive  our or tax base so i thought this would be a very visible statement from college so that we willing to support to get better personnel to represent the employers and the tax base on our limitations and what we feel is a reasonable increases for our employees and so it is my recommendation for your consideration if there's not it's not going to be in it but i thought we had enough discussion that it may be something you would like to see added and it still within your choose parameters of expenses so i sort it out to you if that is something you want to move forward or not have it be part of the budget document mr couch i think that's a great i think it's a great idea thank you and he won house of the coming mr white yeah and i would like the proviso and should identify what kind of contracts not just contracts because it would be employment or union contracts that i would be interested in having some professional assistance provided as we've discussed when we go through negotiations it seems like there's very little on the table that helps the employer she would have discussions with this legislative branch prior to regarding maybe some of our recommendations on limits on type of financial resources be willing to consider is in addition my question is how does that and there's some systemic changes that i really would like to see done on that level where others could you know we could negotiate within our realm our own contracts because mr white here when he now h his contract with the union he doesn't negotiate for the high and he doesn't know what she photo west and he does he does it for his hotel and that's been the rule but more so than having somebody professional and somebody who understand is the fact that we're sucked in with the others especially for many of these unit agreements ok and again because we're one colony and the state and others have more votes than us many times i don't care who the profession is he can say what he wants all she can see what you want in because we do it as a unit i know that's just my concerns i mean you you know i understand where you're coming from and i gree with it but i just think i spend one hundred thousand dollars and not get any further ahead than we are right now unless we have some good you know some real changes in the whole system itself and maybe i'm maybe that will be for some other day and some and i guess i mean more happy to bring in my community because that's us policy you know so this would be a  discussion and i don't want to spend time today but i have the concern you know bring somebody in who can really help us when we go down there and it's all true although we don't know where we end because maybe one county in the state agree to get together and the rest of us again we're sitting out in a cold so i don't think you're following me to vent a little thank you mr white thank you i don't disagree with mr victory no is concerned i think there are some challenges with the  structure i would like to see it become an eight sack initiative for our next session to come up with some recommendations how the how the system could be   and the other thing to think about is that if we put up one hundred thousand dollars maybe the other counties could be talked into putting up some money as well and look forward to discussing it further and mr victory in this committee but we've heard on several occasions that our negotiators simply got outmaneuvered and outgunned by the professionals that the other we should get back to session so what the chair is going to ask you this thing is more about your level of trust with the chair parameters and i think it's very workable for us to be able to reach a conclusion and come up with proportion a fair so to our community it's my sense of where we are after at this point in time so i'm just saying it's one of hang with me until four thirty and we can show you where we are happy to do so if you feel that the chair has pretty much followed your directions and parameters of moving this budget for you can return tomorrow morning all of you guys i love it but enough is enough so i would rather come back tomorrow morning take your lead and we can go from then i would like my plan when the numbers were very exposed we're talking hundreds of thousands of dollars difference not level it's just chops trust is way up there because you know whatever you do we're going to have a good look at it on monday and it will be done in open incorrect in whatever we do and you know if this committee runs by majority still you know whatever you do is s anyway so i really appreciate the staff and yourself taking this on you know you folks that tired too but you got to stay and do it thank you very much thank you myspace saying anyone else i'll chime in and i yeah percent trustin where we'll be able to if we have concerns we're going to go through one pass kind of and then if we have any issues we're able to to make changes we feel we can support them you know on monday yes and i think that you're allowing all of us to leave actually makes it possible for the staff to really get everything up a nail down so i am happy to allow the staff a little more a little more time to get everything you know formatted and and back to us tomorrow morning that allows them to get some sleep whereas if you have to ask us to come back in a couple of hours afternoon we need to get to the office of the county clerk our final form for our real property tax rates and a few tax resolution so there is a clock ticking on us right now for tomorrow way it's set currently is this ok so if you put a one thirty in the balance so that one forty one is in your being sees it to me to just make it simple you may be higher or lower in that one thirty amount so make the would put your allocation for those type of considerations in your column so budget accordingly any other questions