this is the time in the place for the meeting and the zoning board of appeals and housing board of appeals for the city of holland we are here to respond to applications for variances and or special exceptions this board must try to interpret each application as it relates to the ordinance the sport is not empowered to rezone nor to take any action that could be considered rezoning variances must meet four crucial tests in order to be granted those of you who are here for a variance and have already answered those questions on your application will be asking you about those questions again tonight there is a procedure guide out there and we asked you come to the microphone and state your name and address we typically hear from the after first in anyone supporting the application then we hear from anyone in opposition to it typically we do the public hearings on each application and then delivery and decide on the application for moving on to the next after cation your walk to stay for the deliberations but there is no opportunity for further public comment if you elect not to stay for a deliberation and decision you can call the city clerk's office after eight thirty tomorrow morning to learn the results with that said cindy would you please read the first  number kitchens one that said i would like to read into the record that city attorney ron vanderveen will not be attending tonight due to a conflict of interest with that said is there an applicant don't think so if you guys got questions from i supposed to just tell you why i want want want it now or was that on my apple also we ask if we would like to know why you are doing this  k when i bought the house it had been abandoned bank takeover in the in they were illegally the previous people were illegally turning in a new a two family and i've told the permits to get the house livable and when i was up and i was up stairs there was a kitchen trisha said no upstairs kitchen i said well i would really like to have an upstairs kitchen she says it's not going to happen air right out i said really if you said ye here it out of there you're not going to be able to have a kitchen up there so i did i i tore the whole thing out except it's rough bombed yet so it's got gas there it's got water there it's got a drain there it's got it all there but it's just behind the walls and under the floor now because to get a permit to live there i couldn't have enough stairs kitchen so i'm in there now i live in there and my daughter lives up stairs there my wife helps ladies come and out of jail and i would love to be able to are coming back in society so that's my reasoning it'll never be a two family house i understand that i may turn it into a rental some day i don't know for sure but if i could get an exception to have a single family home of an up spears kitchen are there any questions from the board i have a question these days people that your wife is helping when they're there coming out of jail now i'm guessing they're not related to you know ok we have we we have an issue with the ordinance and i don't know if you've taken a look at in the ordinance in terms of iraq briefly what the definition of what a family is and the the problem is what you're what you're asking us to do is to allow you to essentially bypass the definition of a single family home and then do a centrally what would be a two family home within the one with the closest one that i see that you do you come to because of these it would not be a problem based on my interpretation of the ordinance to have your daughter living there and using that kitchen up stairs the problem becomes the people that your your wife is having coming in helping them when they're coming out of jail which i think is an absolutely wonderful thing that she's doing it just doesn't really fit with the ordinance because the problem that we have is a fan one of the definitions of family is up to six unrelated persons living together as a single housekeeping group you're ok up to that point ok in a dwelling unit having one kitchen facility and so adding that second kitchen is what is moving it outside of the you're saying as you're asking for variance that would violate that rule violated by late that rule ok all right so i limit let me ask you this question in terms of the layout of the house is there separate access or easily constructed separate access to this up stairs are you know i they had actually there's a bunch of things that need to come in line or to be to family and we had to dismember all of i mean this is like we would take them in for a week or two weeks but it's not six months the year two years it's very very just so we can get them somewhere around so what's the definition of living there that be able to help us with that just based on the size of the room it's been you know where they would be they would be more gas than they would be living there if you asked me because we're not going to be it but as you repairs your wife assisted other people in the past so no you have not had anybody she's been involved with this thing for a couple years but opportunity hasn't been there yet it's i guess that the question i'm asking kind of in a roundabout way is yeah but what would you anticipate that length of time would be that somebody would be there that was that was part of this program i don't want them there more than two weeks my wife was show that certain standards are met ok normally those are part of the application but with your application we didn't see any need to know how you met was interested in you filled out or i don't know if you've got what i filled from you but i don't have a we have a first page of the of at least a two page application the second page has those standards that mr davis was referring to at least gives you an opportunity to address the standard as specific and it gives us the opportunity to analyze the application at least prior to this meeting well sorry about that but i didn't do well if you want we can kind of go through marinoni can you see if you have the answer i have a certain type of construction or something unique with the lot interior wise could i speak to that sure ups there's there's a kitchen was nothing in it so i mean it's so it's a tiled floor i would it's wide open space i would have to make that into a bedroom would be a bugger and it's not doing anything right now so i guess it was it a bedroom at one time i gotta believe it probably was but the walls are missing now you know just opens up is basically it's is there something for hitting you from enjoying your property like everybody else could in this variance would help you enjoy your property as people in the area would for instance if you had a house the head was surrounded by four sprit and you say you can't put up a fence in your front yard of a certain height you want to and they don't have what would appear to be multiple front yards because they're surrounded by streets ok your neighbors would be able to say put some up on the side on the side of the property but they had to side lot ok and so they have a unique circumstance with their property that would to regulate the condition or use but basically is this something that is that's going to come up many a times is this is this something where we should look at changing the language in the ordinance instead of granting a but utilities are the up stairs so electric meters to water meters no together good question ok thank you very much so now i sit and listen to you guys deliver it we are going to through the rest of the protocol part of that is deliberating including is there anyone else here to speak in support of that and open up deliberations to the board am of the mind mr chairman i i have a an issue with the fact that it is directly opposed to the definition of what a single family is you know i commend him for wanting to do what it is that they're doing but but the ordinance is really pretty clear about this this kind of a situation that you know the there i've got to believe that there must have been a reason why they  kept the one kitchen requirement in the ordinance they're allowing six unrelated people to live in a in a place but they're only allowing one kitchen and we're very specific about that particular requirement a restriction on comes with that yes and we found yes but and had said no so it makes me very hard to find an answer of yes when apple himself you know i'm i'm willing to make motion at this point please do i move we deny the application and to state the reasons why the the the under the requirement of the variance is necessary to enjoy the property rights enjoyed by others in the zone based on the applicant's own answer to that question there was no it's not necessary that i believe that's all that we need is just if if one of the elements is not met they we cannot pass it ok motion was made by mr box do we have support thank you very much is that now at this time i do believe we have a bit of unfinished business from the last haitian yes we did have an application last time about from mr arnold  and it was communicated to the board and it's the board's understanding that the fire marshal did not have any objections with regard to the safety for in this particular instance  that it i was not able to see the minutes prior they were not part of my package came late so i i can't make a motion to approve i don't think you have you don't have minutes i do not i do not look at that added before the minutes