good evening i'd like to convene this meeting the regular meeting of the city council at seven twenty five first item is would you please join me in reciting the pledge of allegiance written material for consent agenda item three point three three which was the communication from cindy white about waterfront park regrading utilities construction note also written material for consent to gender item three point three four another communication from cindy white this one about north shore pas place no the written material and revised version of the consent agenda item three point three six resolution authorization to execute in a fun loan to pay for public improvements re downtown tift district from the board of finance no correct title and written material for consent to jenna and three zero one this is a deliberative agenda item communication from the mayor regarding appointment of burlington electric department general manager note written material for agenda item four point zero two  resolution on actions in response to the recommendations to the city council and mayor by the quote everyone loves a parade quote your old house force councillors roof shannon and dean no revise version of this agenda item per councilor shannon this revised version was added i believe this afternoon since the friday erosional friday posting add to the agenda so we have motion with the agenda as amended is there a second second second macalso heard any discussion of those in favor of approval of the agenda as amended please say i like any opposed hearing and we have passed the agenda unanimously i don't number two is the public forum and we're almost at seven thirty so i will open the public forum you have three minutes to speak and there is a lighting system in front of you there when the middle like goes off you have about a minute left or so in last the red light goes off you need to conclude your remarks we will listen attentively to whatever you have to tell us we just ask that you do it respectfully and with that i open the public forum and we will begin with norm fisher to be followed by kathleen baucus mr fisher welcome mr fisher we need to have you to use the microphone so that child seventeen can pick you up and everyone can hear you know either one should work july thirty first meeting shows that apparently nobody voted for it because sherri gang said wing said there wouldn't be a vote  also said on the aug thirteenth meeting that the general census was to take it down as soon as possible which is not the ideal the second issue is what kind of knowledge did the task force have particularly of art and the answer is apparently they had no knowledge of art theory yet anyway and as a matter of fact the people that were chosen to be viewpoint forbidden by the first amendment now in the report itself it's done pretty mild but if you listen to the meetings it's not done mildly at all this leads me to my conclusion which is good which is if you compare the report with its attack on the first amendment it's lack of intellectual content misrepresentation about the vote if you compare that with hearty statement to first give you my practical suggestion make sure you pull the microphone down so we can hear you i would like to first give you my practical suggestion before i go into the guild radnor mode here  practical suggestion i have is that the city extend the probation against the discharge of firearms right now the northernmost point that covers the water is apple tree bay i recommend a line be drawn from apple tree bay to colchester apple tree point to colchester point and obviously a horizontal line across the northernmost boundary of burlington and i would recommend that that area also that area of water also be prohibited for the discharge of firearms on saturday morning i every morning i try to get out on my balcony i live in the extreme north end of burlington i'm claire point road and i got on my balcony looks toward the lake there are a lot of condos townhouses single family houses some of them right there on the shore the bike path is right there on the shore with only a few yards between that and the water and it sounded like somebody had a cannon out there my dogs were terrified it was just i had no peace and it went on and off i did call the police just to alert them that it was going on and it went on and off almost to noon and this is been happening since the first of september when i guess one of the hunting seasons began i think another house hunting season began on saturday i'm from texas i retired here thinking it was going to be more civilized in texas people do not hunt within city limits i know that there are restrictions on you some of them constitutional i would like to work to get rid of those but i think the practical practicality is to just simply cover that stretch of water for the safety of everybody concerned that's all i have right thank  your both tonight on the mural is not happening in a vacuum ramadi is currently under a national spotlight from being the butt of a saturday night live skit about the state suffocating whiteness to the ultra serious nature of the attacks on bennington legislator morris so i don't think you want to end up tonight as being one of the only major cities outside of charlottesville that has decided to keep offensive and racist artwork memorials in your town square if there's no more or common good to keeping the racist artwork in the town then what becomes to  purpose for leaving it up until twenty twenty two or for that matter one more day so the question the city asks of all of you is why why would you knowingly and willingly vote to inflict the further hurt of racism on people of color in burlington why would you vote to promote a malignant white supremacy that will define burlington instead of rectifying a past injustice and starting a new why would you vote to normalize racial animus in these times of heightened racial tension by excluding whole communities and distorting burling 's through history why would you vote to surrender to the financial interests of church street capitalism and put money over morality a vote to continue to inflict this mural on burlington until twenty twenty two is a racist vote make no mistake about it you will not be absolved by history if you cast a racist vote bring the mural down now you're making a decision and i recognize that there isn't any one decision that is going to make everyone happy i have three considerations that i ask you to keep in mind while you are considering what to do with the mural the first one is implicit bias and for white people in this country implicit bias is inescapable even the most kind hearted of us we see through racially biased eyes for those of you that are white  you if you haven't been trying to understand implicit bias both in general and in your in yourself while the controversy around the mural has been happening then i ask that you please open yourself up to it as you make your decision the second  consideration is that racism isn't going away we can pretend that we don't see it but it doesn't make it any less present or real racism is a problem that is going to continue to be a problem until white people make it not a problem we must get real about racism the conversations are difficult and they are messy but they're absolutely necessary the mural is an example of the embeddedness of racism in our culture people's inability to see the inherent racism in the example of just how embedded racism is in our community the third consideration is accountability mistakes were made in the murals commissioning and contents some intentional some unintentional and i'm asking that al and and that an example be set of being accountable to one's actions it's a decisive matter i'm sorry it's a divisive matter and i ask that the city folio and whatever decision is made and to be transparent in how and why the decision is made if for ethical reasons you take it down please explain that to the press in a way that can inspire others to look at the ways that they contribute to racism if it's left up for other financial or political reasons please be transparent about that under no circumstances please state that the mural is not racially biased or skirt around the bias senate by rationalizing any of the intention of it the intention of the mural doesn't matter the impact is what matters i appreciate your time and consideration in this delicate matter thank you very much ms lord steve marshall to be we are already talking about racism so i'm going to talk about another angle on the mural the mural is a pay to play i'm going to withhold some expletives object of art which is extremely offensive because all it really is is a bit of pandering to the tourists as a piece of art in a public space should we should not have to suffer from having the staff of lunatics rhys throw painted up on the wall we want to piece a public art that is meaningful to the community if you want to do history that's great let's do real history but in the meantime you have a piece of art underneath the one that you have up there on the wall you can take those panels down now and you will not have a blank wall you'll have another piece of art which was painted by an artist welcomed by this community what happened like a covered but in any event we have a choice the other thing i want to talk about is my gratitude to the city  i involved with the camp homeless camp and with homeless community in general and at least up until now i have not heard that is changing the city has had a policy of leaving almost campers alone except where they think there are some reason to move them we had a couple three camp closures last year we haven't had any this year that i'm aware of i'm really grateful on behalf of the homeless community that this is true and want to add that the camp that i'm part of places it's trash by the street and the trash has been removed i cannot tell you how grateful we are because it makes it possible for us to keep camp clean thank you thank you mr marshall our final speaker tonight is sandy when she comes bearing gifts good evening there's when welcome good evening how the rain is coming so i get to come here and say a few things i know you all know it's going to the fair trade town but others may not so this is gives me an opportunity come and visit with all you find folks going to start out with some negative items one is slavery you'll be happy to know it's illegal in every country of the world and today there are more slaves in the world than at any time in human history somewhere between twenty seven and forty million slaves you'll also be happy to know that in two thousand and fifteen a law was finally passed or signed that makes it illegal to import products made by slave labor labor course the key is to enforce for the five top industries that are filled with slave labor include electronics sugar textiles and chocolate and we all consume all of them our cell phones our dripping in conflict minerals the brutality in the democratic congo republic congo is absolutely grotesque how is it that our cell phones that have the potential to do so much good cause so much suffering or textiles i think the men get a break on this one because i think the women with fast fashion they like a lot of clothes they like to buy lots of new clothes they like to be in vogue each year and so it's called fast fashion by a lot throw it out and buy a lot the next year as a price of clothing goes down the environmental and human suffering increases dramatically around the world sugar filled with slave labor you don't have to go much further than dominican republic if you go down there for a vacation walk out of the resort and take a look elsewhere and of course chocolate you all are eating some fair trade chocolate courtesy of lake champlain chocolates the numbers go down up instead of down today there are over two point six million children picking our chocolate the kat bar made by nestle's in europe it's fair trade cap or in the us it's not because we don't demand that the child slaves be out of our chocolate please it's time to stop consuming as much as we do by less by fair by green but at all but definitely why last thank you thank you miss when that that concludes a public forum for this evening and we'll move on to i remember three which is the consent of gender cancer nobel present right i move we adopt the consent to gender as amended and to take the actions as indicated at the table  happening there after a period a challenging period of transition which in volved the substantial reorganization of the department the downsizing of the partment in some ways and the  creation of writing new strategic initiatives that four years into that effort that effort is succeeding on many fronts i think you see that with the credit rating and financial periods of recent years i think you see it in the now decade of rate stability which would not have been happened possible without some difficult choices and i think you see it in the continuing to improve service metrics in terms of power reliability and very importantly employee safety and i think you see it in the way in which the intellectual department has become really certainly known throughout the state and even nationally known now as a significant voice and a significant innovator in how to do twenty first century utility worker actually and in particular how to transition away from traditional sources of power and to move more decentralized source of power i think it is a time i think the council is well aware that i've been certainly open with numerous other departments to going outside of city government getting new perspectives and to see government in this case challenges that we see on the immediate horizon in the coming months and years for b d and how that overlays with barron's i think unusual resume and background we have a number of immediate  significant regulatory and legislative challenges that the brunt electric department will face we cannot go forever without a reeky and in the next one or and most i think two years we will have to go through that complex process we will need to continue to protect the standard offer as it's called that has saved burlington ratepayers a million dollars a year for the last couple years because of our success with the renewable generation that  arenas from his years working as the deputy director of the commission of a dept the commissioner of the public service department the department we engage when we are going through to the governor and a number of people from those worlds have reached out to offer their enthusiasm and excitement about the prospect with working with there and in this role has been impressive finally  i have come to think that the work that burlington electric is doing right now in terms of leading burlington towards becoming a net zero energy city is among the most important work that we're doing  city government is an exciting time for that work we have a our fee in the field that has gotten an enormous response from over fourteen consultants who want to help us write a roadmap for how we get from where we are now to being a net zero energy city across not just the electricity sector where we already are there but the thermal and ground transportation sectors as well over the next ten fifteen years this is a very ambitious goal maybe the most ambitious goal of its type in the country we truly believe it's an achievable goal with the right leadership with the rate focus and talent and i do believe that darryn is very unusual in the experience that he would bring to that effort from from the whole really his whole career whether serving with the national governors association a policy an energy role with senator sanders for four years in a energy policy role or maybe most notably as that deputy commissioner position he was involved in the creation of vermont's road map which has been one of you know maybe the most successful piece of public policy in vermont in recent memory and that it resulted in an enormous explosion of green jobs and real trance transformation transition towards renewable energy wind solar energy we have an opportunity something similar at the local level here i think there is a right person to lead that and i think that work  reflect on the events even of just the past couple weeks is tremendously important we have a chance to get a right not just for the people of bryant and but potentially and a way that has broader implications for how we how we work as a country and  that i'd be remiss if i didn't thank me a wonderful who is here who is our former g m who did great work over a number of years to put us in the position that we're in today burlington electric has a number of terrific compliments as the mayor just noted relative reliability to safety to affordability on energy efficiency we use four percent less electricity today in the city than we did in one thousand nine hundred ninety when we started those energy efficiency efforts and twenty fourteen becoming the first city in  nation to be sourcing one hundred percent of our power from renewable generation and it's really thanks to the good work of the b d team and the support of the community that all of those types of efforts have been possible and if i'm confirmed i'm very much looking forward to the work ahead to advance the net zero energy city mission that we have to make as much progress as we can on district energy and move that forward to advance electric transportation whether it's electric buses or electric vehicles and move forward a number of other initiatives and do so in a way that ensures that everyone in burlington feels they are accessible that those initiatives are presented equitably that there's opportunity for all and i can say as somebody who lives in burlington in the new north with my wife and our two children i am aware of the enormous pride that this community has enormous volek trick utility i would take the trust very seriously given the opportunity to be the general manager of burlington electric and i would commit to you that we would continue to close partnership with the council with our departments other departments in the city to advance a number of these important issues over the coming years so thank you for the opportunity to be here this evening thank you mr springer are there any questions for the nominee cancer thank you president right i don't actually have a question but i want to say that i'm i'm very happy to be able to support the appointment of mr sparrow i think you'll do a great job but most of all i want to say thank you to your support team that came here with you which i really think demonstrates the the kind of team spirit that has been cultivated in that department and it really warms my heart to see all of you here thank you thank you councilor shannon any other questions or comments from the council counterpoint thanks i would like to just gradually mr springer it hasn't happened yet but i think the votes appear to be there the eyes appear to have it but  i want to just acknowledge that i think b d is able to be as innovative as it is the leading edge on virtually everything in the energy sector partly because the amazing work that money  in all the staff to making sure that our lights are always on and we have so few outages in our community and that we have an incredible safety record and i just want to thank staff for backing up the department so that you can be the innovator and the leader of change that is needed if we're going to make a difference on this terrible trajectory wrong with our climate the news it just came out last week was pretty pretty dismaying and pretty sobering and given the political climate we live in at the national level to have the beacon of hope that provides is really thankful for that thank  i have a lot of questions mr barron and thank you for being here and one of them ease i think that you know that you have big shoes to fill i think that you know that i do because he has done an wonderful job thank you and one of my questions ease if you can elaborate a little bit and i think this is very important is to take safety as a general mind to where do you see all of those to meet statics renewable and safety yes so for us safety is number one value at burlington electric we take that incredibly  seriously we've made strides in the last number of years in terms of reducing the number of lost workdays the number of incidents and making sure that we have a culture of safety and that everybody in the company feels as though they own the mission of being safe making sure everybody gets home safe to their families so that is just the number one value and it's overarching with everything that we i think in terms of renewable energy it also is a value that is broadly shared within the i think there is great pride in the accomplishments so far relative to renewable energy and it's something that you know no matter who you talk with there's a great recognition that that's a part of our future and something that we need to continue to build on and in terms of i don't know if we've had conversation so perhaps you're referencing the power lines with regard to that we do have some of our system is underground and some of our system is above ground in terms of our power lines there are benefits in some ways when it comes to reliability to having the system be underground and not exposed to weather on the other hand it can be sometimes more challenging for crews to get in to get if we have an outage or a situation underground sometimes there's a more challenging situation with that so we try to balance the needs of the community the obviously the reliability of the system and the safety for our crews who are going out there when we look at where the system is and how things can be located and you can also think you if you burlington electric is funded through revenues that are not coming from the general fund but coming from primarily from sales to customers and we also have revenue through our participation in the renewable energy credit markets those are the two primary sources of partnership with nissan through freedom nissan which is the dealership on shelburne road where we've made accessible the nissan leaf which is an electric vehicle for departments to test and see if it's something that they want to pursue as part of their fleet operations if there are counselors are interested in testing a leaf or others who are interested we can connect you with the folks at freedom nissan i think this is meant to be a test vehicle for not just the department heads but partly for the community because i can tell you that when you get behind the wheel of an electric vehicle it's a little bit of a different experience it's a good experience there's a lot of fun dynamics to driving electric vehicle and it's something that we think the more folks who are exposed to it the more that the community is going to want to adopt the technology i thank you thank you  thank you president right with your permission i would like to clarify what i'm moving before the second just so we all yes i know what the motion is and we do have some confusion about which resolutions out there so yes we appreciate that clarification concession ok so i move to adopt the revised version which was on the table tonight and is also noted in board docs as it's the first one church street marketplace actions in response to recommendations ari everyone loves a parade we're all revised so this is the resolution that i am moving for adoption and to specify why we have this revised version i had submitted a resolution that  got mixed up between my submission and it getting posted on board docs and a couple of edits that i had made to the document prior to submitting got lost and those specific were on line twenty seven the version that i am moving now calls for the report from dca to the parks arts and culture committee rather than to the city council and secondly there on line forty seven and forty eight the be it resolved that the city council sets a goal of locating l a p d from its current location by august twenty ninth twenty twenty two per the task force recommendations in addition to those we got a an e mail from councillor jang today and much of what councillor jang had asked for is also incorporated in this so specifically from his e mail he requested one deleting with a promise to take action on the proposed recommendations from the report that is gone in the thank you just trying to clarify what is in this so i deleted with a promise to take action on the proposed recommendations from the report council request number two added a whereas clause the city council with the mayor presiding recognizes and appreciates all seven members of the everyone loves a parade mural task force for volunteering their time in serving the city in this capacity  number three deleted the be resolved clause and gave and with a slight rewording that counselor jang had suggested but not including the report date that he had suggested and lastly added be it further resolved the city council respect respect the requests of burlington city attorney to send a letter on our behalf to the everyone loves a parade mural artist pierre hardy with all city council resolutions about the everyone loves a parade mural issue from our first action on january twenty ninth two thousand and eighteen up to the present and with that i would ask for the floor back after a second seconded by of the task force and i also appreciate the different viewpoints that have presented here tonight and i think the comment that you know not everybody is going to be happy is probably the most accurate thing we could say about this but i think we have learned some things in the process and i think we'll do better in the future i also think there's a great there's there's both controversy and some bad feelings about this mural there's also people who love this hero and would like it to stay with the recommendation of the task force was for the mural to be relocated in twenty twenty two and this  this resolution moves moves forward that idea with some specific steps of how we can get there and it commits us to being supportive and inclusive in our ongoing public art initiatives there has been some discussion about dates because i know that some people are very anxious to  get things moving on this as quickly as possible i think it's very important that we include a in our process going forward because that's where our expertise is in the city on issues like what we're dealing with a is is really stretched right now in dealing with you know trying to present a new new year's eve celebration for the city and so i ask councillors to keep in mind as we're you know possibly discussion discussing other dates that not a lot can get done prior to the beginning of next year  and i think that's that's all i have have to say and i hope that the council will be supportive we were trying to be respectful of the artist's rights and the commitment that was made to keep this mural up for ten years and at the same time move on to the next phase as quickly as possible once we do that and and to do it better in our next round and try and be respectful in and inclusive of everyone in our community thank you thank you councillor shannon before we dive into debate or comments from the council i would like to i think it makes sense to go to the amendments if  i wanted to make some clarification first if it's ok sure you know the forecaster thank you so i think we have a resolution in front of us and we need to be extra careful mayor with the administration from the mayor to look for seven member task force we did that that his story i'm just bringing some history here and then from there the task they met over six times and they brought us resolution a report in the report said clearly that this middle may stay there until august twenty twenty two in front of us we have a that is asking that we as a council have a goal of keeping the middle that until twenty twenty two which i think is not accurate and the all the things that i wanted to mention that i think is very important for the people is this is not an issue this is not an issue we should take lightly by the fact that people have been talking seem to twelve to twenty twelve since then people have been expressing their concern console not the administration did take action now it is about time for us to come together as a community people felt discriminated we did not do anything and i am going to request maybe we do a robot call i refused many times in many multiple occasions to call this middle east racist multiple because i understood that the process was not to hurt people but when we find out we made a mistake when we find out we made a mistake other council i think it is necessary for us to take the appropriate step as soon as possible to take the middle down now one thing sites we need to put it that to me requires two weeks two weeks we should know in this city where we can locate it there are so many example in my head that i can tell you right now when things are hurting people we need to store it somewhere until we know what we can do but we cannot leave it there whatever that possible so some of the eminence that i would want to make is this or this if we ready for me to put them up yes analysis of those possible sites in light of the art commissioned by the city of burlington marketplace department and the community concerned that have been raised and th five through thirty eight that are deleted  president right if you would allow i'm interested to know if councilor jang visions the mural being relocated on the church street marketplace if it is the church street marketplace that is going to come up to with this list would you can respond to that if you'd like to so i think this is very clear a list of possible side to which everyone love the parade could be relocated a possible think that we really need the expertise of the cia on this matter they have a lot more knowledge about possible sites around the city and i think that we made a mistake in round one by not having the involvement of the cia so i cannot support this amendment thank you and the other main thing that's amendment does is changes the day correct changes the day to november if given the shift in the church marketplace to do this and the change in the date wondering if the church or marketplace staff was consulted as to whether or not they could meet this deadline if requested could you a e marketplace in my understanding did not consult the council to say we're going to do this we're going to put it up in my knowledge no and i think we have the capacity to ask them to do so and they are willing to come pretty clear that departments for the city can work across from one department to the next so if the marketplace doesn't have that breadth of expertise in terms of possible sites and you know dealing with public art be on this particular installation i don't think it's too much to ask to say they will be consulting or in consultation with the ca i think the issue really is can we move on this more quickly than just waiting i think that's what it comes down to is do we have a sense of urgency out of respect for the portion of this community for whom this display is a is an offensive display of art do we have a portion of the community i mean do we do do we have the will to make it happen sooner and the way to do that is through the marketplace and that's what cancer jane has proposed and i support that thank  pine council chairman i would just note that this this amendment doesn't actually make it happen any sooner because what is it asked to happen is is the relocation of the the list of places where it could be relocated to but it doesn't change the date of that relocation happening in twenty twenty two and i believe that you're right that hopefully in the city of burlington we work across department lines and any department who needed more expertise from another department would would reach out for that guidance but that's exactly the problem is that the cia doesn't have the bandwidth to assist i think that they have more expertise than church street marketplace so it makes sense for them to take the lead on this and possibly in consultation with church street marketplace but they don't have the bandwidth right now to assist the marketplace in in compiling that list and i do think that that that list is probably a lot further along in the minds of the folks at the cia than in the minds of the folks at the at the marketplace so i would ask the this we have not even talked about that this would be staying there until twenty twenty two i just want this council also to understand it this is a specific amendment to the resolution asking instead of b c saying that it would be very easy to find you know multiple but as we're all aware the current girls on private property and i don't know whether the analysis that we're looking for a back involves some type of engagement with a private property owner you know in terms of whether they would be amenable to taking this site and if the answer is no i don't really see what good this list or analysis is and if the answer is yes i would somewhat echo the concerns that asking this to be turned around i'm well aware that the murals on by the city i'm talking about where it goes in terms of locations it's on private property currently and if the analysis to come back it's a big piece of art if the analysis is where can this go from my perspective fairly easy to figure out private property but if if you want to come back with a rational list that means we've had outreach with these private property owners and there's a possibility of actually going there that's a different level of analysis and a far more meaningful input i think to whomever receives this next thank you exacerbation i think with that we are ready to vote and i sense that there's a relatively close but i'm going to ask the clerk's office to call the roll on  yes councillor mason no councillor paul councillor pyne yet councillor roof no councillor shannon no councillor tracey council president right no next to that everyone loved the parade middle to explain that everyone loved the parade meal is not a comprehensive representation of burlington history from sixteen to two thousand  co representation and celebration of your street marketplace with historical references the middle has become a highly public controversy due to its lack of diversity in burlington is a diverse community that strive to be a welcoming place to leave work and visit and this middle east subject to a location within the city or burning to i am reading this correctly counsel jennings amendment removes a number of things that had been brought to our attention by the task force and i think that they are all important to acknowledge some not really sure what's to be gained by this change it would remove better identify all of the individuals in the lab and their contributions to the community it would remove appropriately credit all artists who were involved in the creation of you up and it would remove acknowledge all donors and sponsors and i don't know why any of those things would be offensive to anybody so i am not support of this amendment thank you cancer shannon other discussion comments by the thank you president right i do i think a cancer shannon makes make some good points i personally don't think that one of our big problems here is that all of the individuals in the are not identified i don't see that as a big problem because the problem is that is disproportionately elite members of our community of the not only who are considered to be important enough to be on the mural and the y not acknowledging the many contributions that all members of the community have made to brewington success over the years so i'm personally ok with giving up acknowledging that this mural has become is a cut as it is a controversial piece of public art and that we are in a debate about this mural and about its meaning and the best way that we can  move move forward through the i'm happy the different points of view about the mural today so i would i do think that i would like to see that directed to be in the  placard and to make an affirmative statement about about that we strive to be a welcoming place of the i so i do think the placard needs to do more than what our original or the the current version of the of the resolution does i personally think c and d are also important so it would be a way to incorporate some of the new language about to be go on to the placard well still for me keeping c in the i can live with a i would like to see that so i'm not quite sure where i met and amen nobels the impact of that would be to add at the end of b as well if i'm correct the language that provides burlington is a diverse community that strives to be a welcoming place to live work and visit and this mural is subject to relocation within the city of with that point of information i need a second for this second my counselor tracey over to counsel thank you president right i don't have an issue with the additional language or language in the spirit of being added to the placard but i do have concerns about eliminating a better identify all of the individuals in the lab and don't know why putting it on the plank not how it would make sense and i think again this is about the people that are being hurt that are not there and how do we make sure also  visitors people who come here and visit when they lead they would understand these people are here but also there are so many other people in this community that are not being represented and i think the amendment east to state that the that need to put that right now while we figure out what we will do with the middle that's yet that was just my point but i do appreciate what you thank you council saying i think we're ready to vote all those in favor of the amendment to the amendment please say i i opposed so we have now amended that to include back and has cancer no d and now i think we're ready to vote on the that amended amendment all those in favor please say i opposed that passes unanimously and that amendment as as a method by council passes do you have further amendment yes and revise a resolution i would like to move an amendment that will delete forty seven line forty seven and line forty eight ok so and that's the line that says be a further resolve that the city council sets a goal of locating the everybody loves a parade from its current location by august twenty ninth twenty twenty two for the task force recommendations that's the line that's the exact line thank you discussion seconded by cancer pine discussion because i am curious as to why you want why supporters want to you president right now i'm looking forward to this debate i'm not exactly sure where where i come down i was disappear this is one of the mural task forces recommendations and i thought overall the moral task force did a very nice job and to the extent possible i won i i think i think there's a lot of value in following their recommendations they they they worked hard i think th y did a very thoughtful job now it does mean that if you have a goal of relocating it by august twenty ninth twenty two it could happen earlier the friday afternoon version of this resolution this rizal clause was missing and i was really curious as to why and i understand that was just an error but then i thought well maybe the thinking is that we want to know if it's possible to move it before we commit to moving it i think it's better to say say what our intent is here if we can so i'm if we remove it then we would just be silent on this issue and i think that we should not be silent about what our goal is i would now that date is an import is driven by our understanding of of the commitment we have made to the artist which is that it be displayed for ten years and i think we should we should not we should take our commitments seriously and and i think that needs to be a serious consideration before we tried to commit to making a firm commitment to moving it earlier i think those are legitimate issues for debate thank you t ten year duration to be displayed it doesn't say to be displayed at this particular location that's my reading of that legal opinion which i place a lot of value in wrong about that i'd like somebody to correct  pine can we get it has been a request for city attorney blackwood to give a clarification on that it's turned back what i believe that it was to have it displayed for ten years as far as the artist went there however it was always clear that it was going to be on the marketplace and that its purpose was to go at lahey way thank you  reading of the memo was not just our promises to the artist but also promises to founders we had a similar ten year commitment to them and it does give me pause if we were to change that you know what impact that may have as we're going out asking for dollars you know from founders on other projects which we all know we certainly well thank you thank you confirmation other city councillors cancer jane again you know i think it was more when we asked them a question that task keep the middle there until twenty twenty two which i think we should not even think about because one thing we are going to defend the business is that donated money to be there but we until twenty twenty two the reason why this was the all the resolution that we received this was added today it was not on the original resolution we  was i did not see it and i saw it today and i think i know where it come from because the idea is this if we receive a report there is the next step would be to give the artists nine days notice that this is going to be relocated people who are defending this east to defend this middle to be there until twenty twenty two do because of the people who donated the d and the memo very clear there is nothing where we have done is said we need we done it and we won the business logos to be there for ten years that is not so now passing by the middle every single day and we also know just today to put arts in downtown the people of burlington responded three percent they not really kind of amendment which is to delete those lines which has the date of the or the goal relocating the miro by the date of twenty twenty two all in favor of  so that amendment fails by a vote of eight to three tell sir but you're not here so i think that that concludes the amendments cassar trac y thank you president right i just had a constituent mention was difficult to speak with constituents and get feedback not having a final resolution so one of the things that i did today was reach out to task force members and berger regarding the the resolution that i had received today because i wanted to provide her with that so i apologize for not getting these in advance i think they're pretty technical in nature as far as changes go but i would like to a replacement mural and other supplemental artwork suggested by the task force around the city a nother sub point under the b it therefore resolve clause that begins on line thirty nine so adding an e that these placards will be in place by march first twenty eight twenty nineteen president right i'd like to second that with just a little bit easier way to put that inserted all right may i make a suggestion to just the march first state on line forty  was not present within the resolution that one of my constituents john berger has pointed out to me which was that the report makes mention of only having a replacement mural but also doing additional artwork  with the the his the diverse history of the city of burlington raza tracy we're losing a little bit as you apologize so doing the diverse history having additional work around the city so i think that it's important that we not only look into opportunities for just this mural but that we really go beyond the that and take it and implement that aspect of the task force recommendation the next piece is that i feel like well i really certainly appreciate  the i think that the language that was inserted was excellent that you helped us with on the clause i just want to make sure that we have a date certain around that in consultation well actually working with with counselor shannon around finding out what time they might be able to turn around placards they said march first is when they could have those those done so that's why i why and he opposed passes unanimously so we have passed that amendment and have we now now are thank you president right i have a i do have a question for the sponsors if i may on that mural that would go into the space currently occupied by everyone loves a parade mural would be part of a history of brewington public our project that addresses different aspects of the cultural rachael racial ethnic and other kinds of diversity of burlington and this resolution now just says some replacement mural so is the intent to refer back to that recommendation of the task force the as written it does not just as put anything there i think was very important that recommendation of the task force little said we want another mural there that is about the history brilliant in that that does acknowledg incorporate and inform people about about the contribution of diverse peoples within burlington so that's my my question is is what is the intent if we might be able just to clarify the but i am not certain that that's the only idea so i'm open to community suggestions and we kind of have time for that discussion so it's not any opposition to that  just leaving a little bit more open what comes next leahy way for me was going to be the driver there so as opposed to predetermining specifically what it would be in leahy way instead having that process in place would more than likely lead to an outcome in line with the updated guidelines in the in the this all this controversy started about it not telling our whole history of growing to so i think we need to be clear to make sure that whichever way that we travel on my way would always be to leave leahy way the way it is now we're defining that we want to piece of our history and our to talk about what i heard he was here in burlington so i do think no one else point is a good point that really that's that's why we're having this  discussion this is why we're here today right now again i feel differently than most people around the table but what i don't disagree with is that the mere only he way right now is not inclusive enough and it doesn't show our great history here in burlington on many different aspects so i hope this resolution that we're passing tonight or least identify the next mural and artwork that we're going to do if it's going to be about the history of our brighton and not leave it up to just a piece of artwork i i'm not current on saying that tonight thank you because of her net and just so we are now on we have disposed of the amendments so we are now on the final vote on the resolution unless somebody proposes something else  have been in this region for twelve thousand years is point to remember that thirteen thousand years ago this was the champlain sea that's how long we're talking about we're talking a long time ago however starting in the one nine hundred thirty s they were targeted  were this is a very dark happy chapter in vermont's history involved coerced sterilization of the aben akki also french canadian poor people and people disabilities were targeted according to nancy gallagher the author of the book breeding better vermonters the eugenics project in the green mountain state the sterilizations plateaued around will work two parents were involved were alive in world war two it's not that long ago but many accounts show they actually went on for much longer genocide is an especially brutal form of racism and a critical part of our national and local heritage completely missing by the way from this particular piece of art also being a race from local history is not unique to vermont indigenous people many forget the key role played by african americans in this community and throughout vermont in july of one thousand and nine the tenth u s cavalry regiment one of only four regular army black regiments collectively known as the buffalo soldiers arrived in burlington they were not greeted by a parade they were not greeted much at all other than people distrusting them they had to prove themselves however it's written that the arrival of the tenth cavalry sent burlington into a demographic shock and this was in the free press almost overnight this small city acquired a substantial black community a situation that clearly dismayed many residents not a part of our history we're proud of but still a part of the history of this community four years later when the tenth left for mont for another part of the country the free press extolled the regiment and the good will that now existed between them and the people of this great state in the eight hundred thirty s and you harris became the first african american to graduate from the v m he went on to become a very powerful voice in the of racism not intentional perhaps but still nonetheless because a similar pain and suffering as every other form of racism i personally have begin to feel that defenders of this mural ignore this part of our history and that is part of what causes the pain of people who feel invisible people of color in this community feel this piece of art really makes them feel invisible art and this piece of art specifically was meant to celebrate our rich history really was meant to celebrate it's called everyone loves a parade and it was meant to unite us as a people it has done neither of those and i've concluded that it should no longer adorn our public marketplace justice delayed is justice denied thank you cancer before we vote cancer tracy so i certainly appreciate councillor pine's history lesson and i would also say kind of try to build off of that because i think that the reference to end harris one that i particularly i guess recognize and i've been thinking about recently because where i work the admissions office they feel that recognition that counselor pyne spoke of took place in the form of a placard that was behind the admissions building essentially in a parking lot which was not ideal it was an out of the way kind of place on our campus and they said i've since moved it to a place in between bailey how in davis now i think that to me what this suggests is that we that representation and how we represent our diverse history is incredibly important and that sometimes we make mistakes along the way but that we can rectify those mistakes by i what we're left with is this resolution which sets a day however far away that may be for that to take place so i will be supporting that because i certainly agree with with the remarks of councillor pyne that justice delayed is justice  yes there is a mission the middle commission may not be racist putting it leaving it as it iis until twenty twenty two he's a racist thank you and you i raise of my life when i last had the mike line thirty four after this is about we want to be ca to review current fund raising demands an opportunities for funding replacement way a move to amend by adding the following words after leahy way that addresses different aspects of the cultural racial ethnic of ethnic and other diversity of burlington addresses different aspects of the cultural racial ethnic and other diversity of burlington and i'm just that's i'm reading from the taskforce report so i'm basically trying to pull we did pass an amendment that has added some language at the end of line thirty four already so did you want that language i'm inserting it after leahy way i think it still works ok and then there's a comma and then the rest it to a representation of a public art piece there that more more fully and appropriately acknowledges the contribution of diverse peoples to the history of burlington you have not really kind of addressed i thought i believe to be sent there has been harm i think there has been harm of  being up or is long as ten years so the way that you respond to that is by having something else there that is better and that does and that does address the damage that has been done to some members of our community otherwise if you don't tie it to that why are we talking about a replacement mural in this resolution i don't get a thank you cancer no doubt cancer tracy i'm sorry i realize that my remarks were not necessarily clear i just want to say that i will not be supporting the i do as i spoke earlier i do support house or know those memon i just well be clear it's like we talk about what's up there now as it's a mistake and it's wrong and i don't see that and i see it part of our history as well it has to be told and i've  clear from the start that i don't think this should come down and i hope it doesn't come down so when we move it i hope it's somewhere in the public eye that tells the history of our city as as as well as the new artwork that's going to up right to me i just think we're better than bryant in our whole history should be told and so i do think that language is important ok we certainly want that history be told that we don't want to people that have been offended and hurt by this to be here any longer i understand that but i just really disappoints me when i hear you know that it's the mural that's there now you know currently is it's wrong and it's not right and but it one thing for sure i think we can all agree on it has it was not inclusive you know no question about that but you know i was hesitant to vote for the resolution but we get past this amendment and w will move to a resolution i'll speak to that as well thanks ok any other comments i'm callous or no dels amendment hearing none of those in favor of the amendment please say i  are you did you vote in favor of i just ok so the vote is unanimous in favor of cancer no dels added language at the end of line thirty four now we are back to the resolute final resolution as amended and amended and amended cancer thanks you know eventually this will come back to the pac you know through the arts and i just want to be clear that i'm not going to come back  here in january and maybe agree with the findings that this marriage should be taken down ok that if it's not located in a public place somewhere in our downtown area where people can learn about some of our history that went on here and what's the currall speaks to if not if that's not a public place where people can see as well then i'm not sure that i will be voting you know to remove this if if we have a conversation in january about this and so i have a question for attorney blackwell voting for this resolution tonight does my tie to saying that that we're all has to come down and lay  i think because of lines forty seven and forty eight that say the city council sets a goal of relocating it from the current location back you just twenty nine twenty twenty the answer is my question that i believe thank you want to set a date for it to be gone i do really want to support my colleague who sits next to me who i have to really respect and who i think is showing tremendous leadership on this and i really respect you counsel jane and what he well i just like to note the no vote it's been stated that the that the goal of this resolution is to keep the mural up until twenty twenty two and that's not the case in fact that clause was t in various versions of this resolution so it certainly is not you know the total crux of this resolution by any means and what it says is that it councillor pyne councillor roof yes councillor shannon councillor tracey council president right yes it is three nays one absent the resolution as after amendments passes by a vote of eighty three and we will now move on to item four point zero three that is a thank you president right so this resolution is about the reuse zones that are at the drop off centers managed by the chin and solid waste district and if you use the drop off centers as many of us do you know that many of them if not all of them have reuse owns which is where you can take household items that you are no longer using leave them in the reuse own and other people can come and take items that are useful to them and this is a way to recycle kind of household goods among ourselves and divert items from the landfill maybe not not everything this left there but some reasonable share of items that are sent that are left in the reuse owns are diverted from the landfill which i think is important for us to do the if this facility also allows people on limited incomes to furnish their households and provide their families with household goods without having to go and spend money on them which i think does kind of boost the kind of ability of people to make a decent living here in our city in june the solid waste district board voted to close the reuse as of september thirtieth two thousand and eighteen based on management issues that the staff had identified relating to safety and the lack of staff space or time to properly manage them and this resolution acknowledges that these are legitimate concerns after people got started that these my constituents start to become are going to be closed i started hearing from people that they were unhappy about that and they use them they like them they would like for them to stay open so at this of temper meeting of the solid waste district board there was that the board actually revisited its decision its june decision and there was an effort to ask the staff to work with communities on solutions that would keep the reuse centers open and that motion failed by a weighted vote of mine thousand to sixteen with brewington voting against but a majority of the towns eight of the thirteen towns at that meeting voted yes that they wanted to revisit that decision this resolution i had ridge only planned to have a just referred to transportation energy utility to work with staff work with our representative mr green to understand their concerns and then to kind of come back through the committee process but because of that september if we want to keep open the issue we need to have a motion to reconsider at the october meeting and so now becomes very time sensitive i tried to leave this a little bit open so that our rep could it does kind of the thrust of its assets are rep to basically get on board with the effort to try to come up with some other solution to the problems other than closing the reuse zones either through reconsidering the motion to close them or coming up with some other motion that you would bring to the board to get the the waste district to look at the issue again and think of ways that you could keep at least some of these facilities open pursue solutions other than simply closing them down thank you cancer no doubt cancer prying thank you i appreciate staffers here will get a chance to hear from them in a minute but i want to say that i i learned about this at a neighborhood planning assembly you know i think it was september constituent came spoke to the entire n p a about it spoke to me privately and then i actually heard from other people so it it has generated more was among constituents than i expected and it was pointed out to me that we  continue to have some form of reuse own at the at the resource center which is next to the solid waste drop off it's really it's not a very functioning i was there this weekend and they turned me down on several very quality items i thought  so i brought some doors from cabinets that were made of oak and glass and they had glass knobs that were no longer needed because we got them in our our green up day or our dumpster de guiche or called in the old north end which we did on saturday rather than let those go to the dump i took them there and they said no we can't take those we don't we don't have room for those so there really is a need need this is a they went they were going in five minutes in front of our property a green a green belt in front of a property that they placed them on which i know is not supposed to happen but for twenty four hours you can do that i guess and they were gone within an hour i would just say that the i think the reed reuse redo and reduce reuse recycle that's the mantra if you haven't heard the song from jack johnson google it's a great song but it actually means something ok it really does mean that the first step we ought to be taking is to reduce the amount of waste we generate we have largely filled up landfills there's one left in vermont and we're probably not going to see another one things are just going to get more and more difficult reuse is a critical piece of that equation we can't just recycle as we know we heard from c s w do when they were here that there are some real market challenges to making recycling cost effective i think it's kind of ironic that they're one of the reasons why staff recommended closing reduce owns is because they were so successful they draw so many people and so much stuff that they couldn't handle it when in fact if half the stuff is diverted from the landfill which is about what they estimated that means fifty percent of that stuff that's showing up is going to productive use in someone's home so i think we have to remember there's a lot of folks struggling to get by the reuse zone as a way to stretch your dollar if you have skill and you have time but you don't have money he can get stuff that reuse and make it into something worthwhile and i think we have to think of it that way as well as is diverting from the landfill so i hope folks will consider that tonight and the timing is critical if we don't we don't take the action tonight and just refer to committee i think we've we've lost the opportunity had and that you know they talked about how do we use zones started long before there were many other options and granted this all came from staff current problems including customer traffic scavengers  around safety concerns was a huge concern for all the staff and the board members people bringing things to the slate without checking in some of those things include pharmaceuticals food ammunition and just the labor and staff time that it took to manage these so there were thirteen members at this meeting  and there was one abstention but it was unanimous decision to close all the reuse zones based on the information that staff gave us and there wasn't really a lot of debate and i went along with it based on the information i was given by staff that made a lot of sense now in september the conversation was not to reconsider opening or keeping the reuse zones open  extending the conversation to greet you pull them across a little closer start the conversation wanted to extend the time to give towns where there was town of richmond basically that wanted more reconsider come up with are other options to keep or use own or something open enrichment so the vote was not so in september to close the reuse zones because that was already decided in in june again and by that you know miss decision and so yes i did vote no to give more time to come up with other options and that's what the vote was and  i base that all on the information that staff did staff wade spent a lot of time researching and came up with a lot of great information on why they should be closed that's what i did meeting we will have this on the agenda and i think councilor pyne did allude to something that is important understand there are many options these days for reuse many communities do not have them  conveniently as burlington resources being immediately adjacent to the drop off center certainly is a benefit and they are open six days a week shouldn't solid waste district  drop off center has very limited hours in the city that said we are happy to take council direction action and clearly reuse and recycling is a priority rob oversees our recycling program which was the first in the state really set quite a trend for this community so we're here to be a resource in your conversations and figure out how to move forward thank you director spencer cancer shannon  thank you and thank you very much for the kind of history and context of how the decisions were made you noted that there was a lot of concern about safety and you said something about ammunition which i think a lot of us are on the table recoiled a little bit like i know i had not thought of that i wondered what other safety issues you might be referencing that retreat in june safety was the number one concern at all the drop off centers in all the towns there's so much traffic there on saturdays at all the drop off centers that it's they they're trying to limit the amount of people that are going in and walking around and milling around and things of that nature people almost getting hit by cars and traffic of that nature there's bucket loaders mov around you know loading up dumpsters and things of that nature and that was really the biggest concern of the whole day was the pedestrian safety the customer safety that was there so it's not so much it's the amount of traffic being it's managing on the limited space that they have at all the drop of sensors ok it's not the things that are there that are causing the safety waste trash recycling compost when you start adding it all up it takes up a lot of space and they start to think about exactly what what is most used at these drop off centers is that the bulky ways which is the mattresses and the spaces has been a challenge and when there is glass and other materials in there it needs to be a high degree of management to make sure the materials are properly stored aren't breaking aren't creating a safety hazard either for the customer or staff ok and so my understanding correctly there's a whereas clause in this resolution that says c s w d board revisited the issue of the reuse zones at it september twelfth meeting and considered a motion to explore solutions to keep the reuse zones open which failed by way to vote of one nine hundred sixteen but that's not accurate because that motion was to explore a solution to keep the reuse zone in richmond open it was to explore given more time for the town of richmond in other towns to come up with their other options the vote in june and already determined that they were being closed unfortunately the town of richmond was not where they are in june to be part of the conversation so can you clarify what that was the motion to reopen the discussion on all of the reuse loans or just conversation on what what other alternatives they could come up with for a reuse zone maybe have it managed by the town or just other option but just for richmond or for everybody all for all for all of them yes ok but richmond was the most vocal concert although you have a clarification on that point i don't have the exact language on the motion if anyone wants to see it at this to timber meeting ok i'll read it into the middest read it there was a motion to amend the motion to close the reuse known and authorized staff to negotiate with the town of richmond and explore solutions to keep the reuse zone open there was a friendly amendment to include the reuse zone in any town in the discussion of solutions to remain open and there was a further friendly amendment to set a timeframe for report  resource that this is for some families you know it's always easy to say that you know safety is concerned and there's ammunition in there and how much damage was really there i mean i don't know but once you hear that that's enough to scare everybody and stay close and i don't i understand that right but reality is there's probably not that much ammo in there and handed a i wonder you know if we could get creative and maybe not close all of them maybe we could close some of them maybe we could come up with some rules to safety so if you were looking in the reuse zone it would only be certain time of day you could go into that zone and so i just wonder if we ever thought it's always it boggles my mind and i know you know said this for years i'm going to in the easiest thing to do is to say no and that's it this is the way it's going to be whether it's the use of the gym a v h s or whether it's something like this and we just we just simply say we're going to settle by saying no and not be creative and not look at ideas that might be solutions to where it's a win win and so i do support this resolution and i hope that we could look at the news too to get time deadline i didn't know if you had the truth and solid waste district had rule similar to ours which was you you know you vote on something and then you move on and so is it possible even if we were to pass this to revisit this issue or are we looking at next year they're not willing to reconsider opening the returns now they are willing to work with us on other options and other ways to come up with other ideas thinking  thank you i mean i guess i'm not and i'm not going to wordsmith this but i'm not sure that the first resolve clause is even in light of that answer is possible i still think what you're hearing in the sense of the council if this passes is to work with two to see what you can do when i support that and i and i do too i will certainly work with the two and c s w d on ways to think outside the box and come up with ways to for people to be able to use things  want to put i don't know i it sounds like it said we have this resolution in front of us we've been just told it to dead issue no matter what we do here tonight i make a difference which i you know find frustrating and and so was just before this one so i can't speak for exactly what their legal team is going to tell them what's right now they're not they're not going to consider it a motion next october to reopen  the resolutions crafting i had asked that this be put on the two contender so i just want to thank the maker of the resolution for including that resume that my suggestion that we referred to to regarding that i think that regardless of what we've heard i think that one of the elements of the public comment or the feedback that i received from the public was not a surprise that they didn't know quite that this was coming and i so i look at this resolution as an opportunity to continue to do that public outreach whether that means exploring other options or trying to find some way to keep them open but doing so in closer collaboration with the folks who find the this resource and a valuable one within the community so i look  he received an e mail and this is i'm just sharing it directly from my e mail directly from the chair of the board and it basically said since you've voted in favor of the resolution that was proposed at the at the meeting you're not actually someone who can request that it be reconsidered and here's cording to robert's rules at this point in time i believe the only a person who voted against your motion in september can ask for reconsideration this rule is put in place to prevent someone who loses a motion to keep bringing up the same or material the same motion and thereby spending valuable time of the board on an issue that is already been decided so actually our rep who voted in favor of this would have the ability to recess for three minutes but we really will be back in three minutes oh yes we're in recess for three minutes thirty five from the recess who am i recognizing cancer and no doubt you want to  paul thank you president right so i have two amendments on line fifteen and sixteen i would amend the resolution by deleting lines fifteen and sixteen on line after the word in between two and restore i would put to after the word two i would put the problems of thank you that's what i meant ok that's the amendment yes all right thank you and the clerk's office has the amendment is there any discussion on the amendment get back to the two if we are moving on to item four point zero four and this is a communication from the chair of the church ange committee regarding rules and we are basically going to get a  overview on what the committee did we are not going to delve into this deeply because we really will need and work session at some point on this i believe i believe so yes there are questions about it can i'm expecting just a communication from the chair of church ames cancer stem from from you on just updating us i sent an e mail actually earlier this morning saying that's what would be expected today and that  and that we would probably because myself and other counselors have questions that we don't want to be wards and i think on the council floor i'm just asking are you looking for emotion or just for a discussion i think just i just have you update us overview of what the committee has worked on ok the i think that there is there's a pretty good outline that's been provided to the council in the memo about what the rules changes are a lot of them i think are non controversial many reflect the council's actual practices and have updated the rules to reflect those practices there are a few things that i'll bring to the council's attention and it would be helpful to hear feedback from from the council i thought there was a possibility of adopting it tonight but the committee also discussed that if the council council wanted us to take this back and do further work that's that's fine too and much better to do that in committee than wordsmith here  so let's see i think rule number five the committee proposes adding a process around time expectations for each agenda and a process around managing priorities for public forum that it's on we discussed a lot of different ways that that could work i think that there is a strong feeling among councillors that time management has always been a challenge for this body and so we offer a solution or a possible solution to try to better manage ourselves and to give the council president some tools to try and confine to make us a little bit more efficient will say you may have feedback on how we do that we would love to hear it rule seven also has a number of of significant changes one of the things that we suggested was that members are expected to be familiar with robert's rules along with what is actually in the words of the new rules we also had a discussion that new councillors need more assistance from the city to understand robert's rules and to understand how a lot of things of council work i know when i first became a counselor i had to sit down with the city attorney and the c e o that was really helpful and i think more recently counselors have not had that benefit but we were even given a cheat sheet on robert's rules that was really helpful so the ex expectational is that along with that there would be some assistance from the city attorney's office to prepare new councillors for for that expectation we had a lot of discussion about when we have appointments for we we  are required to always vote we can't abstain from votes and yet there are situations it arose with bt but more commonly it arises when we make appointments if a councillor must vote it has always seemed important to me that if you must vote your choice can't be to only vote yes there has to be a choice so if you have only if you have one person that is nominated for an appointment there needs to be an ability to vote no and that is clarified in the new rules i could go through more of this but if councillors have specific things that they want to get on the floor for us to consider maybe i should just open up to the council rather than continuing to walk through and then i can respond with and other members of the committee can also with the discussion thank you councilor shannon and i do think to try to change committee for all the work on the rules and appreciate that they did significant work we can open up to the council but i just want to there are a number of  concerns about some of the things that are not decided on how they want to go and i don't want to get into a full blown debate about it we have other items today as well i think we are better served by work session but if  thanks when i look at this i mean there's a fine line of making sure and i hear them and i but also stifling debate and i think some of these rules we could talk about that work session because i don't want to get into a council that doesn't debate committee for spending i know some really significant time on this so thank you well that will conclude that item i will be coming back to that and we will on another time move to the ordinance four conservation thank you present right so despite our best efforts on the section eight revisions to section eighteen point twenty one this went to war printer it appears there were some suggestions that were made are three modifications that were detailed in the memo they are all material so i believe this should pass without any discussion thank you thank you counselor mason any discussion on this  hearing none of those in favor of the us my counsellor may simply say i am opposed that passes unanimously item four point zero six is a communication from city attorney blackwo and legal briefs are coming in at the end of this month there have been a number of questions about other issues but if you would like to talk about sort of our strategy in and planning that's information i'd want to discuss in executive session but if there are questions i'm happy to the to tell you more more from our perspective the hearing went well and we are optimistic that the public utility commission is going to approve the sale blackwood thank you can you tell us a little bit more about some of their questions about the carried interest issue i understand they had some questions about that the various the the commission consists of three members of the commission that are appointed by the governor and then they have present their several staff people they had three staff members at the hearing so there were questions both from the the commission staff and the commissioners themselves and there they have a lot of questions for beth anderson about how some of the finances were going to work and that we had to say we didn't those decisions hadn't been made for example they want it it sounded as if and i'm i'm i mean to some extent were you know we have to speculate a little bit about where people were going but the questions were focused on how was the money going to be treated that came from the sale once the immediately when when the sale closed where was the money going to be put in the general fund in an enterprise far on what was going to look like then there are questions were how long was it if it was going to be put in an enterprise fund which is what we had said in our filings how long was it going to be there if we went to do the carried interest where we're going to be taking money from an enterprise for fund or from the general fund to do it that was the focus of questions about the carried interest there were a number of more detailed ones but do you think that  and how any decisions that were made or statements made it what's the likelihood of success on that appeal or outside what there wouldn't be there no discussion of that in any public arena that would that i could really say anything about i mean right now there's no decision so there's nothing to appeal yet nobody's made any decision that there is anything to  meeting on the i z five thirty room twelve and also forewarned when ordinance we had a bit of a backlog we made very good progress in getting through a bunch of ordinances but i expect we're going to have heavy ordinance changes at our next or maybe the meeting after no we're in we're in committee chair reports right now this is for committee chair reports right now and the other committee chair with a report we are on to really probably one of the best things we have done here in the city when we went out and asked the voters for a penny for parks and initiated those funds and to see the improvements not only at szymanski but through our park system you know over the last four or five years it's just been incredible and it's worked really well and i think really when i look back on a lot of things you know since i've been on the council i was on the parks commission and one of the things that the city has done while that program paying for for parks initiative has just been extraordinary and everybody has been beneficial from that and in the entire city and really outside the city and it's just incredible incredible success so i just want to mention that pine yeah i just wanted to share a talk constituent concern that they received similar to the comments made by someone doing public forum it's regarding hunters that are shooting from areas just off the bike path mainly between oakland park and north to the water treatment plant duck season is upon us and there are hunters who literally will walk the bike path and pull down the signs that tell them they cannot do it and then they'll just start shooting at the docks from our waterfront so i'm not sure for ordinance i would think you could shoot from land you can't discharge i assume if you're out in the water you can because you can't regulate what they're doing in the leak so it's definitely an issue this person mentioned it but i've heard from from folks as well that they're hearing it seeing it in their see in the people tearing down the signs because parks and rec posts that this is an issue you sent an email about earlier and last night actually i believe they are today i think that i emailed to to everyone just reminding you that there are between the the two committees that are meeting there are six councillors i gather  council bushehr will be away so you there there are between the two committees five and if you get seven or more councillors in the room together we need to warn it is a city council meeting and we asked if folks wan attend if they would let us know by earlier today and didn't hear from everybody so anybody about whether or not we needed to warn it is a city council meeting but if folks think they are going they're going to be more i would really encourage you than not to have a corridor because we did not notice it as a as a city council meeting and which you did send a email out to everyone earlier today about that prospect i did not know that house or bush or was knew she was going to be here tonight i know she was missing for two more but that's good so there i mean it gives you right to have a couple of you know let the record show that city attorney blackwood said that's good the counselor bush is missing s the comments made about discharge of firearms and i think that that it's prohibited in an area of the city where we actually own the waterfront and that doesn't extend to the north and to the south and where where i live and what people i have not seen with councillor pine was talking about though i don't doubt that that it happens i just haven't seen it but what i do see is people who are quite close into shore pointing guns towards the shore which is pretty frightening for all the people that either live or happen to be on the shore and i would be happy to work with you on that issue to see if there is anything that can be done because i do think it's an important safety issue in the city thank you i agree with that also and i my dog also heard those gun shots as that as the constituent mentioned earlier just city during blackwood can you give us a brief well i just want to encourage people to please call the p d because every year they they go through with their office where the boundaries are and where people can shoot from and not shoot from so so you know please people contact if citizens know that someone is shooting a gun to contact the p d and b p t can come and look and see whether or not they need to ticket the person for a violation of our we do have an ordinance that prohibits the discharge of firearms within the city limits and and what the limits of that ordinance are scouser roof thank you president right last week as some of you may know i spent time in one of our sister cities yaroslavl russia where i let a get delegation of burlington folks about ten berlin tony and me went through a really special and well planned program that was put together by our counterparts in the arse level so i want to thank them also think members of the u s embassy that made the trip from moscow to join our delegation for a few days which made the trip a little bit extra special share there was a third night there a performance of george gershwin a large maybe three thousand person concert hall very awful and russian in nature but the conductor surprised at the crowd by leading off with the american national anthem yeah and for on behalf of us as guests and it was really a special moment to be there sort of always a little bit intimidated and then this f no and sure enough everyone in the in the room stands which was just an interesting moment for me to be into a far away place and sometimes we have misconceptions of what that part of the world is like but sure enough when  when the star spangled banner erupted people stood up and respect which we pretty cool thing for me so more stories to come but again thank you for the delegation thank you for sharing that letter which was well appreciated as well and look forward to more and more stories of that thanks thank you counselor roof cancer tracy thank you so i there is a an ongoing pilot right now trying to create a safer drop off pick up area around admin school for kids who are trying to get there this is a project that resulted from a lot of hard work specifically from peggy o'neill who has worked hard on this who has done quite a bit to advocate for these issues around our city in fact she was actually featured in a radio n p r piece about her advocacy around this and it's finally been realized unfortunately peggy let me know that within  within a very short time of it being installed that she had noticed people actively sort of disrupting it that's not the way to go about it one of the things that we do with quick build especially when people follow the proper procedures is that we collect feedback on it we leave it in place for enough time to see if it works to see if most importantly it's safer and then we make a decision on as to whether to make it final it is absolutely unacceptable for people to be disrupting a permitted street used within in the city of burlington especially when we're trying to make kids safer if spoken with the chief about it he's looked at it and let me know that some things he felt like were not necessarily the result of active vandalism but some things might have been so they're keeping an eye on it so i want to assure those that worked hard to get this in there that this was one of those things that the city seems to be monitoring and will hope to get good data to see if it's actually safer before making a final call t counsel and to me there are two things one is safety and the other one that she was really what about is about the noise and i was telling her we noise ordinances here in burlington but and she also did year let's make sure on november sixth as counselors we make sure our constituents go out and vote because he's like the voting record right now in burlington has been dropping significantly brief on saturday we had in the old and another very successful dumpster day and people love it people just say thank you so much for doing this and just wanted to her i really recommend it i think when you look at the benefits to the people relative to what we spend on it it's it's it's just it's just great so thank you laura and all my thunder is we're having another one in the spring so which is now going to be called in and in an organization that's called the old east and neighbors or the old east enders and this is an organization that's kind of taking off in that neighborhood a renewal of community spirit and essentially it's the neighborhood that telecom issues or the carried interest issue we had to we had to back off on that for a little while and just so nobody thinks we've forgotten the implicit bias training we will be trying to move that forward  november i do i just indulge me for just two seconds it will be really quick but i was an animal lover and a dog lover particularly i got a call from councillor shannon a few a little while back informing me that her dog her beloved dog lulu was very sick and i just wanted to say how happy i am to hear from cancer show today that lulu is actually doing much better and recovering so best wishes to little cancer shanna thank you for the for the public announcement as i know many people thought that we were now grieving lulu and lulu is alive well much damage here in vermont across the country is the because of stories like maddie's that the sebring thing continues to try to work in every way we can figure out to avoid future such tragedies and do everything we can to better improve the resources available to people suffering from from opioid addictions today marked a positive day in government to both fund vital services that they have provided for many years and they're all north on location to expand their services and to within days now stand up room was scheduled to start their pilot which will provide similar services at the at the bar and this is i think should be thought of as a closely related effort to the one going on in our for right now where since july first we have true attempted to dramatically expand medically sista treatment services available to people during incarceration and upon release from a i remain hopeful that these three efforts building on top of other efforts that the state of vermont has led on in recent years such that are making a difference on the ground may have seen the news that you get medical  seventy percent reduction in opioid prescriptions over the last couple of years it is my hope that there are fewer obituaries like matisse in our in our future as a community  just will let the counselors know that we have gotten several several counselors who are interested in joining this community stat effort we've kind of kept it open a few months so that  different counselors could come in get to experience that and see whether we're something they want to devote time to conserve a time to now that that's happened i will be circling back and making those appointments and following up on other aspects of the council resolution on the ward five mph this thursday for anyone who particular work five is interested in the update on that also notably on october eighteenth from five to six pm there will be an open house down at the wastewater treatment plant for anyone who is interested in a tour of that facility before before the vote and finally i want to know for the public and council that this is  innovation week is again upon us this is an effort that has grown out of the very successful seven days event tech jam to include a whole week of events led by the b t v ignite effort and it is my sense of this event has continued to grow and become richer in a number of ways with each year this there's this year for the first time there is going to be an investor's summit tomorrow which i  mayor we are going to be moving into executive session but whoever if you want to speak to this first city attorney blackwood i had requested earlier today that  that we say as much as we can to update the public in open session before going into executive session because there is on the issue of the town center there is a lot of questions out there publicly i think a number of us are getting questions from our constituents as well as the media and i know a lot of this can be discussed in open session but i hope that there is something that can be said before we're going to present right i'm i'm happy to  development agreement essentially three separate agreement we call it side letter that altered several conditions so as to allow that project to move forward and pour a foundation pool foundation permit and commence construction that foundation at the end of september about a month later when it was became clear that that work had in the project and and open direct communication with them in addition to don six who has been our point person for this project for the years leading up until now our message in that meeting in the follow ups communications from that meeting was that we expected to see the project move forward and that it that the time for delay and further planning and design was passed and that we  thought it was important that the project live up to the commitments and made to the project and move forward the that meeting was now approximately three weeks ago  would like to talk about potential contract issues that premature disclosure which would put the city at a disadvantage so i think you do need the two motions to make a finding to that effect of those in favor of the finding to that effect please say i i i opposed we've passed the finding in the cancer mason thank you present right based on that finding like make a motion to go into executive session with