communications from the audience for items that are not listed as a public hearing on the agenda can come forward at this time we will be r yes there is not any unfinished business or table items new business plan review for a commercial storage building to be located at nineteen forty one south washington avenue second revival ministries is the applicant the applicant here yes come forward i hope i said that correctly she kind of and go ahead and describe the plan well the plan is we sold some property i'm actually closing on that thursday to schumaker trucking company and we're the church is out of storage so we have to quickly come more hoops we had to jump through so hopefully we jumped well and i'm not sure what else you need but i'm glad describe anything else just the uses just for storage yes it's cold storage we're having  electricity only no heat no water at this time so ok any employees other people working there are just now just locked up just the maintenance guys going back and forth we have about forty plus years of kind of kind of like when you move your house of storage from another building that we're selling ok so does anyone have any questions thank you for coming looks good can you come to the microphone i think this question would be for mark but maybe for all are we able to come and get a building permit tomorrow is that my understanding or that would be a question for a dan tiley ok building inspector i believe he has a copy of your prints so hopefully he has been reviewing them so you would give him a call in the morning and you can see once where you are so ok very good thank you by the airport authority or no you probably have to wait for that this has been reviewed by the airport authority and their conditions are in the revised staff report i know that we are going to need an f a a a review and i believe that that's ok i started filed we just don't have anything back from the a but but west michigan did sign off with or thank you thank you next item site plan review for an industrial warehouse building to be located at two evening my name's john walsh a civil engineer with paradigm design here on behalf of the applicant we're proposing right now a one hundred thousand square foot warehouse in the southeast corner of lincoln and sixty fourth street on a site plan you see in front of you we are showing some area for potential future expansion so i recited as far east on that plan as it is the developer creative products it is looking to assemble cleaning products and cleaning machines within this space  straightforward planned parking space for about forty people that handle the twenty to twenty five employees plus some visitors and accommodate some future growth truck docks on the east side aside from that pretty basic site plan we have met with the west michigan airport authority yesterday no issues there we've received the comments from various city staff and agencies we've been in contact with all of them throughout this design process so really no issues there so detail happy to answer any questions you may have questions from commission members all right thank you very much this also requires a public hearing at this time if you'd like to come forward on this item you may do that all right i will close the public hearing next item request to rezone three sixty three sixty eight three seventy two three seventy six and three eighty west sixteenth street from the c one neighborhood commercial district to the p u d planned unit development district dutch brothers l l c is the applicant i'm going to also read the next item as it pertains to the previous letter d development plan review for the renovation and expansion of the existing commercial restaurant building located at three sixty three sixty three seventy two three seventy six and three eighty west sixteenth street dutch brothers quickly so you have in front of you on the screen the five properties that are proposed to be rezoned they are currently zone seawall and you can see they're located on the south side of sixteenth street between cleveland avenue and harrison avenue the applicant is requesting here again that these a c one just their properties be zoned to the district and to get a development plan approval so there's a development plan they goes along with  this the applicant has been kind of you know upfront and forthright with this is as to their rationale for going with the p d they do need to have some some flexibility and set backs or a requirement this building and are hoping to get plan here a minute and the applicants can discuss that but we're really just looking to have the development on the west side of the proposed property on the applicant will be reusing an existing vacant restaurant building in doing in addition to that along with the parking lot so forth so i'll let the applicant thinks much more of that good afternoon i'm john tempus with dreesen gun associates and the civil engineer representing dutch brothers on this project they are here with me as well and we're happy to answer any questions you have just a quick summary of the project as mark explained very well we are looking to rezone five existing parcels that are currently neighborhood commercial to be and proposed to completely remodel the existing vacant restaurant that is on that site you probably all have a visual of that building in your mind if you've driven down sixteenth street you won't recognize that building when you're done with it there is a roughly twenty six hundred square foot addition to be built on the west side of the building and five existing building is on that property one house two small commercial buildings and then a couple of excess restructures would all be demolished  be request really comes down to as mark mentioned some relaxation for the existing setback requirements there is residential property to the south and there is a twenty four foot setback on this property as a result of that in order to make use of the existing building and the addition they've got a couple of walking coolers that would come off of the back of the addition and those walking coolers are attached there are a semi permanent structure attached to the main structure but they're not the full height of these of the structure and those would encroach into that twenty four foot setback and so there is a very minor aspect to the building visually and it won't have any adverse impact to the property to the south but that is the primary reason for the request to to rezone you can see the landscape plan there in front of you and they have intent to provide good screening along the south of the property and make it a very aesthetically pleasing sight from all directions so with that if there are any questions we'd be happy to answer  screening is going to be it's going to be a variety of small trees and fencing there is exists existing fencing along the back of that property  owned by that property or both yes it is owned by them it is on their side of the property line there will be some basically across the west half of the property where they're proposing to develop they will actually be constructing new fencing so the existing fencing will remain on the east half of the property that is going to be vague essentially vacant at this time but the west half that they are redeveloping they will be putting new fencing  the setback is reduced from twenty four feet to just over sixteen feet so it encroaches into that setback roughly eight feet seven so that a smaller square on the back of the building is about eight feet deep well if it's it encroaches into the setback eight feet it's actually deeper than eight feet but part of it is  would be deliveries happening in that area where there were in the building or there will be deliveries to the back you've got you see the pavement along the south side of the main existing structure there will be deliveries in and out of there but they are very infrequent they don't have a lot of vehicles coming in and out of there ok form do you plan at this time i don't think there's any specific plan in mind but we are planning you know anything that we do decide with that property we would have to come back and get an amendment to the essentially yes are you doing it legally or are that really the question is that if you are only doing a site plan for the three parcels that you're developing that's the only site plan we're doing right today correct so you would come back for another site plan on the other property that is correct yes that is correct and so in all likelihood you're combining these three parcels into one personal yeah ok and in all likelihood you'd be doing that if you develop the other three or so right ok yeah that that entire space to the east you know it's shown on this site plan as future development or vacant property they're going to leave the the trees in place but essentially anything they do down the road we would be coming back for site plan approval or an amendment to the few i just wanted to clarify that that was going to be a separate personal so it's really a separate to serve two purposes number one would be as a retail outlet for baked goods which we've all probably had some other baked goods and i'm i personally i'm looking forward to having a place to go on the south side of town for those so it will be a retail outlet they'll have a few tables inside and out for people you know it's not going to be a restaurant type use it's going to be a retail outlet for baked goods people can come in and purchase baked goods and and sit down and  enjoy those they're on site or take them home with them whatever they choose they will also be producing baith good at this facility for sale elsewhere you know the words at that existing northside facility those are proposed trees you know basically we were proposing to put in some some burning bushes along the south side of that the walk in cooler area and then larger trees along our back property line there basically a small maple tree so that you know they're a full size tree but they are their variety of maple that i don't think it's overly large and is that the side of the property that south side that has the fencing currently or not yes i mean it all has fencing but they are going to be replacing the fencing along this entire section of the property very well and you know it's the bakery and mark there's enough parking for what's necessary or is ok any other questions from commission members great thank you very much mark you said i can do a combined do a combined ok here at this time i'll open up for any comments on these two items together if you like to come forward be taking care of vacant buildings you know i'm sure they'll be construction noise and that kind of thing for a while but we're quite happy for the most part really early concern my neighbors as well as the rear of the south part of the property you that's not even affected you know in terms of where i sit right now i said directly adjacent to future development but i just wanted to make sure that you know especially with the property owners being able to put  trees on their side you know large the trees there are there there's quite a few large hardwood trees right now there and they're well trimmed well maintained want to make sure that you know especially with construction noise and potentially and more boisterous activity on that side of the fence it wouldn't be a problem to raise up the existing would finds sort of lattice or supplementary privacy syrian and i don't know with the existing in commercial district you can go up to eight feet with a fence ok we know how high they are proposing i believe a six foot fence i believe the existing would france is about six feet and that's all we were looking to do is get a few extra feet of privacy some sort of them additional you know barrier but have you heard from your other neighbors that are directly behind this development i have both our neighbors on you know this side and this side of us  rising and this is necessary go through the area just want to make sure that it wasn't to bother anybody if we put up an additional privacy screen later down the road don't even know if it'll be necessary but if you put it on your on your side it can only be six foot of the time residential right mark the commercial and would have to be able to yeah i'm looking here just to make sure i'm not speaking out of out of context you're but that for a second are there any other concerns that you had or question no not at all i've spoken to the de boers multiple occasions and we're quite happy to have a new growth in the area and look forward to it a anyone else has any other comments development and i think the resident was trying to address an existing fence further to the east of the existing develop and whether they could build on that or not it is directly south of nice to go in the hallway that would be great you take your conversation out of the hallway and a half process where the city is updating its master plan for the community it's been a long time in coming the last time the city hounded the a master plan update for the entire city was back in  two subsequent to that i mean we did a lot of master planning lots of it but it was at the neighborhood scale and but the time was just coming that we needed to circle back and do it a complete plan for the city of holland again so  we're very happy that we have the completed draft for planning commission review tonight and hopefully a recommendation to the city council and i'll just kind of do the synopsis here just for the record the master plan is the official policy guide per how its future growth and development in the master plan summarizes the community's vision for the city highlights their goals and objectives based on analysis of strengths and weaknesses and provides the framework and basis for sound community development in land use decision making so that in a nutshell is what this is all about and staff is very pleased that the plan commissioners hung home with staff there is a lot of subcommittee means and so forth with this one too but we've both got her over the goal line so and mark this has been opened up to other townships oh yeah i mean if you're going to give me thirty more seconds of tales of i'm going to take it anyways so one of the one of the big things that we did with this was the public participation process of day and it's very different th former previous master planning processes i mean we we've got now i believe over forty public meetings and over a thousand people have been involved in the process of we have touched the plan so we're really really pleased with that great and this requires the public hearing at this time i'll open it up if anybody would like to come forward and i will close the public hearing discussion about the city's master plan from commission members motion afford to council or just a little we're doing yeah i think the motion to approve in to forward to city council for their approval i do have one condo and that is the land use portion of this document i think is really the stellar piece of it i think we really develop some good classifications and descriptions of what those lines are and will serve planning commissions in the future quite well between pine and river now that we go from one to three and i'm also wondering if there's some way we can keep track of any increase in traffic down pine do the fact that the right southbound on river is no longer automatic and those people who think they need to go straight won't be in that way because they won't be first holding up traffic now so many years ago we had a bus stop pulled from basically that location because it was backing up traffic and people were opting out pine so i staff yes just one item your next regular meeting is scheduled for november eighth which is election day and we've been booted out of this room and booted out of the training room so the city clerk needs them all for the presidential election so question comes up would you like to reschedule or would you like to huddle and meet in the lobby or you know what would you envision being on the other gender right now we don't have anything however that the deadline for that meeting isn't until probably next week tuesday so  there could be something coming on can we just do a meeting on the twenty second instead because that's our extra day that we have if we can't things come up we can so we can see i mean brian you'll be here i'll be here all right well you could do it the twenty second you'll hear can we announce this later though mike or do we have to decide right now i think you've got to make a motion right now i just want to check and see availability what joel doesn't think we need to make a motion to change the regular meeting date you'll think we got but we do have to schedule it right now all right i was going to ask you to check if this was available i'd like to make a series of motions that we have a meeting on the twenty cancel the current one and have a meeting at the j discretion i was in favor i probably was so we will decide either in november or fifteen or twenty two for the next planning commission meeting or not