executive session i mean to upload a session to work to some business from previous here so i want to remind everyone of these proceedings will be conducted in an orderly manner consistent with our rules of procedure i'll walk you through this a did right away that was once just the bass trail this is prior to us only the prior owner it was just a vast trailer and there were no other there were landowners but there were no their homes and  culverts see when we when we acquired the property you know there were some there were some struggle and some land issues between the two prior owners and a believe that's working from street addresses off court on tariff so officially allowing it to be a private road and they were going to handle the nine one one addresses requirement and i don't know what that was but i know that it was an issue that was resolved because if it was a resolve current the current residence and approximately one in three quarters of one and a half to one and three quarters acres and of course these days a lot of mines are subject to change because you just get your view but that would exceed the requirements for a planned unit development lot two would be somewhere the ballpark of one point five and lot three would be one point five with a remainder of twenty you know that's just a matter of fact we did some test holes and i did some lot of improvements we put in a tree farm in the back of the property and we did some trails that the basho always have a right away through each of these properties when i bought the property the vast row is about three feet wide and it was not consistent also myself and my neighbors have improved it so now the groomers can get  o you know closer over here so i want to make sure that stays open you know i see snowshoers cross country skiers you know i'm absolutely fine with that so i would like that trail to stay open have a user of it myself so i want that's what i'm coming here to do any questions an extra house showed up on lot for the not for a supposed to be an open space slot but i don't think that the density calculation would support for house because your house that you live in would count as one of the dwelling units ok so a private driveway and that's different in terms of our specifications ok so i guess we need to figure out which it is and then we need to look at our regulations to see if if we know if it's a driveway if that's sufficient for the number of l process is really just b s though if the regulations are actually doing the opposite of what they're intended to do we can waive but there's a gets not just a question of a judgement call saying well we just want to do it it's not that there isn't work that way there that didn't make sense that way there's some really that would be one reason because if it's if there's if there's a lack of connecting facilities adjacent or proximity then if the waiver or  if we can do it if there's a reason and if there's one of these reasons and it doesn't that have a negative effect on one of the only intent of the regulations so  so really if this was a sum total of three loss something for a lot really quick it says a maximum of two developed lots without frontage that's also part of this may be served by a private driveway so the fact that acme doesn't have frontage and then you want to create two or three more without frontage that creates the conflicts so there was if i had to and you know of course but you know this that's quite a quite a time out here so it was important for me to make it a road so it's permanent not just for him but just that's the way it should be or you have a right of way that wasn't accessible all the time but if it were just so read the whole thing just for clarity a maximum of two developed lots without frontage may be served by a private driveway and no more than three lots regardless of financial may be served by a private driveway with the exception of an open space lot created by a  think the purpose of that is not to create subdivisions that trail up side roads without adequate city yeah i mean you can this is already a non conforming law so there's a consistency again by the fact that at least some of these laws will be standard uniform there's a road requirement to essentially turn the watts so that they're facing something someplace with good access so that you have good access to all that yeah i mean i am not a planning commission so i don't presume to know what their intent but i bet it's fairly clear that it's you know it's access to the wants that's the issue ok and so if you were to apply for a waiver and that the in that process you'd be basically saying we need to do this for this reason that's is i just get the answer is with a fifty percent density bonus applied you can have three point six six units if you include lot one existing house or you can have two point seven units if itself be an open space not created and then a number of lots that would have new homes on it and it would be self contained and so i think great i think what i'm hearing and what i think i would like to do something to get out there  you understand what he's proposing that instead of making the open space lot the one that includes the vast trail the stream the wetlands the large space that he wants that we would like to preserve every letter of the present regs so and so that's that's a very reasonable or you move that you have to look at that but so that's the point we're talking about for a waiver process here as if there's for example hundred forty split scene i mean i did another words if they did if the proposed pattern is better than them what the letter of the rules would say but i do that then that's when we would use a waiver process that allows can make a comment or ask a question of the board and then last compile all that and they would get well we'll you know compile the comments and if they're open questions then we'll get the answer to  one is that ackermann's which is an issue here only because it shares access with a lot that we were talking about tonight and then there's another lot talked in between and so i think we're clear now that the with the shape of this that ackermann's how severe is i don't think that the person who was actually on here but it's on sort of taft it sticks out next to last post six three across a lot of six three from the long skinny section needed for the back section and that would probably mean deliberately at least doing the i don't know how you go to there's a there's a sort of an informal process there's sort of a formal process there's someone could do a wetlands inventory or they could actually do well it's delineation ther were the escalators so there's a lot of sandbagging and a lot of gravel back in here it's a very unique piece of a very unique feature because the front of the property is clay but the back of the property where there's a massive rock formation that moves through the property there seems to be a lot of sand back on that side agenda against a question of coordinating everything one of the one of the things that the regs ask us to do is to understand the kind of activity and what what connects to war and that would that's more true with sidewalks  maybe twelve or thirteen let's say would be part of this open space of the vast road run through that some day it sounds like it's a comfort ability with the board so you know throw in your proposal would likely still be part of the open space a lot ok center right so and so typically what's done with an open space flight it's in a management plan and it might say this part of the area i is wetland and we're going to leave it where we're going to give it the wetland protections and basically not do anything to it or whatever the island protections are this part might be and still the culture and this part might be and korean correct crap player something and it's not unusual to see a management plan which has got multiple pieces on one big parcel that's fun and so and the management plan is often part of the process of doing the conservation easements because you put your basic putting in a ma are in ten thirteen one and some of those some of those include encourage any development in rural areas to be compatible with the use and character of the surrounding  that's ten thirteen one three and the other is ten thirteen one four to provide for the conservation of open space features recognized as worthy for conservation in this one plant including is going to be set aside for no motorized vehicles but that's not really what we're talking about here that's there's other kinds of resources besides that obviously the other thing is going from this point forward to just to try to develop a specific proposal can help you with getting back toward getting that to work so if you have any questions about the regs and what some of what something means or whether scissors i think i sounds like there's a consensus that that's a reasonable trade off that can be inferior you know in principle it can work here and one of the things that we'll take into account here is that wording about apt because there's it looks like you know yankee lanes there with three or four of those in a row so that the point is that that is a consideration the fact that the settlement pattern there is what is it like i said but i don't see it anywhere in a minute so i whose names anyone else remember