you going to call the special council meeting of monday august fifteenth two thousand and sixteen roll call mr sylvester the first item on the tonight's agenda is an ordinance authorizing the acquisition by condemnation of one hundred eighty nine point four two acres from land owned by pinehurst land partners  for public park purposes kerry as you are aware at the school board meeting last week the school board did adopt a resolution to proceed with acquiring the rolling hills property by school district township does the board where has had comprehensive plans where it's been recommended that they have additional recreation activity recreation space and this fits with didn't happen plan so if has to bring the proceeding to bring the declaration of taking down from there it depends on whether the number of the in companies that are listed here will be pot potential defendants in this matter will file any preliminary orders they were in the process of acquiring the property we did have our special counsel speak to them and try to negotiate a price and unfortunately they could not they were pretty far apart which necessitates this move and we feel comfortable that's what we offered was a reasonable yes if we believe now you for the proper numbers were based in part on professional opinions that we went out and hired as to what the value of property would be worth i have questions to i have why are we listening all of these individual companies and well she says that because they potentially have an interest in the service or pm most of them i don't believe so when i participate in a conference call i guess it was two weeks ago now mike about ten days ago where we raised two special counsel the idea that the oil and gas rights there were with this property the question as to whether the companies that retained oil gas rights had any interest in the service that we need to take so we weren't interested in taking any of the oil and gas by this mechanism but just make sure that we take all service rights associated with  interest i believe per ordinance they would be more clues to be protected in this anybody is there any reason that we that we don't need to name dupe who owns the right of way to use their power line right away through the showcase a new high school and first class upper st claire style rec center residents can afford another tax increase on top of what's coming next year as a result of property it's now clear that the twenty seventeen tax increase could be over fifty percent for older homes in our community the high cost of acquiring those hundred ninety eighty nine eight her property will lead directly to further expenditures for a new school and more recreation facilities it was also exempt this acreage from future property taxes further increasing the tax burden on township residents in the end peter township could lose its low property tax advantage at the core of this issue and perhaps the most important overall is the old gentleman use of government power to seize private property one of the four basic tenets required for eminent domain is missing here that being the property must be taken why was it rolling hills country club series bart township long before now if we must have it with five school campuses recently renovated or fairly new as well as a new recreation center why must this land be taken i personally feel it's wrong for the government to seize private peter sonship sports alliances all of the community sports organizations and for a long time we have felt that while there has been some renovations to fields we still do not have enough space for all of our sports organizations to fully function to their capabilities we will be having later on this in a few be a month we will be having seventy eighth graders playing football the kindergarten and first graders because of lack of field space on the likes we have we've had several organizations that had to give them a competitive advantage over families that want to move to the area and the few dishes of the better school that would give peters township a upper hand in attracting some of these residents and some of these families to our community to just add a little bit to that i represent the youth basketball association for peter's township we have every year the same challenges are real lack of any type of poor space for our activities we provide activities for kids in k through twelve boys  girls we have the rec center which is an awesome facility but beyond that we really struggle to get any type of really usable facilities the middle school we have some access to but we usually get you know we're lower on the tier of choices we fall behind all the high school programs so it makes it really hard to put a competitive team out there for our for you kids who really want to play basketball so additional gym space is another thing that we've been looking for as well as an outdoor or there's only one outdoor court in the whole township it's of a high school i'm here tonight for parks and rec i'm a board member and we naturally love the opportunity of the property that's there and the possibilities that might make for us to be able to make a better place for the township we already have top notch facilities there's no doubt about it but continually changes what happens it's constant and as we grow we're going to have to address the lack of spaces these two gentlemen just talked about and continuing to change the facilities that we have now and add to them to continuing to attract new families a new people to our township we have  diverse demographics and peters township i'm not familiar with the other locations but we range from young families to senior citizens and everybody in between and i think that the facilities that we look for for this property should address of the we should make all of the township demographics happy with what we can do and what we can't do t c for me is a parks and rec person to stand here and talk about how great it is we don't have to pay for we just have to help you figure out what to do with it you guys have to figure out how to pay for it and we're ready willing and able to help you with the design and we understand expenses are very important but you have to do certain things t continually make your township or your area beneficial for everybody so parks and rec supports the whole idea of trying to acquire  you've heard already from is there art or otherwise there is certainly a need and one thing we've observed that soccer is when we enhance the facilities we enhance the quality of the experience of the kids so i can't speak enough in regards to the need for additional facilities for parks and rec as a parents home of three boys in the township and as the husband of one of your fourth grade teachers one thing that i've observed casually and i like to comment on is outside of peter's township they call our community the bubble that we are raising our children that in a bubble where there is a lack of community interaction sports or parks and rec program these activities are metaphors for life in one of the few interactions that they have outside of school with other members of their community including facilities like aquatics could make that experience here long clued in activities like  football which is an indoor soccer league and a program that's recognized internationally as a high quality caliber of play could help to expand that sense of community and something to help us fight the persona of the bubble so i'd ask you to consider that and i think it's a great way to make some woman eight out of the lemons of rolling hills so thank you a deficit in community and neighborhood parks of of twenty seven acres and twenty twenty five that will be a deficit of fifty seven acres and of course one of the largest  has always had the position that they would prefer not to use in the domain of property here they could be avoided and you know we have looked at it together with the school did we have looked at large parcels before and tried to acquire active participant in the vision transfer or sale i think i want to i can back to some of the things that this community is gone forward with that it is time that that which just will be a way as to how successfully become i think we can also talk about only purchased other properties you know for the expansion part peters lake park what an i would say that i agree with mr lewis's observations that this is a piece of property that we can't let go no i think that we as a township don't know where else we might be able to get property and we didn't take a concern that was operating in seas the property we took an opportunity recognize that this is a piece of property that can add significant value to the township as far as the idea of it not being on the tax rolls you know i would ask mr lauer you know if he can share whether or not you know the real estate taxes paid by only hills with that significant compared to what we when you say what we might lose  you know i would have to agree with mr lewis the opportunity for this property to enhance the value of the township is what is driving the idea that we have to proceed and again based on everything i understand we've tried to bargain  to go ship good faith whatever word and so now we're faced with the situation and i think that for the residents this is the best option for us i will also echoed mr loose comments mark my saying always always is if you're not moving forward you'll get left behind and clearly twenty years ago peter starship was the best option clearly in washington county but with communities such as north your brain as sastra brain getting considerable amount of money from the gaming industry they have become extremely competitive and so we've got to continue to move forward with the ideas and facilities that keeps us in the forefront of those people wanting to build new homes or or bar just in homes and i think acquisition bodes this well not for just the next couple of years but for the next twenty or thirty years so i think that's that's the importance of this acquisition i think the simple wa of the park one of the items of discussion was whether or not we were simply going to fund the acquisition of the park or do we want to be in a position as we would expect the community would want is the fund that the at least initiate the development of that of that park and what the having a back into the bond counseling and talk to our financial advisor what he is recommending is that we actually look at the in two steps and the first step would be to establish a a target number that is that we believe is in excess of amount and to adjust that down based upon what we determined is the need the actual need for the acquisition of the property as well as the acquisition of a fire truck at the same time we are beginning work on an  eat to do the design of the park and what we will do then is to complete that design and then come back to college so will and that will her sometime next year and and  from the park and recording council an idea of exactly what it is we want to do within the park in terms of initiating implementing that design and we will go for a second bar only and that will be tailored simply to the size of what we need to get done i think one of the thing has always served us well council's been prudent and never borrowed money without really understanding what what the objective would be so with that in mining what we are recommending is that council give us the authorization to begin the process that will put in front of you an authorization of are up to nine million dollars we don't know how to dissipate that will be anywhere near that we actually believe that we will be south of seven million dollars between the acquisition in the of the of the in the fire truck but at the point at the time of the morrow we will borrow those monies we need to get this portion of this project done so what i'm looking for the night is simply a consensus from the to follow that approach and you will come back the council are everywhere council meeting in early september what will the cost of issuance is probably somewhere around forty thousand fifty thousand dollars when you look at that is that as a portion of the actual cost of the balance it's actually fairly small as a percentage and that's the reason two years is that the last thing i think we want to be doing is making debt service payments thanks to year when we don't have to have additional debt service because we don't really have a project that we can begin work on so rather than to then do you know absorb a much higher impact next year in and because one of things we all know we've got this reassessment and that reassessment it may cause people's taxes that some people flee to go up and some people to go down but what it means for the t the the budget discussions we've charged the public works department in the in the rec department to come up with the play and to maintain that property up in you know to the point that if things go what do you know if you should know this that one of these we've got a number of projects particularly in the in the planning department and we're trying to get wrapped up so part of these are public hearings that are coming up on the revise also there's a there's the revisions to the middle attraction ordinance that are going to be considered one of the things it's going to cause is that we're going to begin our budget discussions a little bit later than what we would have normally begun those we also have the remainder of the zoning ordinance that the to be looked at in so in the middle of the budget process we're going to take a pause and meet with the pointy commission to discuss that so that in january we can close out all the changes couple hours on a saturday morning or something like to tell you i'm going to be available on probably show from a good number of those monday one not talking every saturday i'm talking about trying to consolidate there's particularly said mr burke which doesn't miss monday night football