tonight our agenda it just so you know what we're doing we've got public comment and we've got the main street reversal is ation project introduction of community input meeting project and those folks will be speaking and in doing the discussion of the main street for us in a few minutes so let me see also with us we got some staff people with a great coffee and and heather our economic community the economic development person officer took it jesse baker our city manager was going to be thank you all for coming to start with public comment it's an opportunity for anyone to address the planning commission on any topic not on tonight's agenda and when wish to address the planning commission i'm going to be careful visioning we came up with some images and some graphics that showed the street re redone essentially with wider sidewalks utilities barry and travel lanes broke down in terms of size immediacy of that need became more apparent only saw conflicts with power lines in buildings so that brings us to where we are now we became aware of funding sources it were available through u again for four years or so so it left to the front with that we went to city council and asked city council for initially capacitive approval to begin pursuing the project in the  greed to that couple months ago the next step was identifying an engineer who was qualified and getting an initial estimate on the thirty percent completion document so that we could apply for the graph timing we selected b h p when we had a proposal for a preliminary engineering report we went to the council and asked for approval to move forward with the state revolving loan fund long which is where we are now so this is our first meeting we've kick off means of a speech and we will be taking your input so with that when we proceed through the next three months and he's going to walk us through the initial parts of the project so before you start big so the process is you've got to go through the project give us an overview of it and then we'll take comments from the public to things we're looking get into some of the idea of the kind of innovation i think some one of the ideas of really trying to do it all of a great to keep bring up want to keep thinking outside the box and so what is this what it means you want to look like in five ten twenty years and really from the pump or some some kind of poor thing so with that the lane with and so forth so it will be then back in probably a similar public forum in january to present those alternatives and get a feel for which which had a package makes most sense and wrapping that up into an environmental report all the public right of way within a quarter of main street down to the bridge this roadways classified as a class one time highway which may not mean anything to you but it provides a lot more flexibility for what the city can do on the conditions what's out there today you all know this for a bit just to highlight a couple things we've got lots of lots of wires above ground so we've learned pretty much everyone who's on these poles we've got some high voltage power going  interesting offset intersections we've kind of been curiously wondering there's a maybe four intersections all seem to be about the same offset as you move up and so you know how to accommodate traffic and you know pedestrians going through these madly running around collecting lots of information to our survey digging into the ground but at the same time we're also looking at what does the future hold like you are starting we've got are let's get architects and engineers kind of doing some sketch work we have has done session itself which causes traffic to a little bit slower this example maybe you know as we talk about fifteen thousand cars this may be you know i would probably want to have a little bit more kind of building for the asian between the t the thoughts that we've kind of questions that i have would be interested if you don't have to stick to these questions about parking is it important to you to have parking up and down both sides of the street on main street does it make sense to have a cyclist coming down biking facilities on i don't like the idea of having the traffic the bike traffic go one way and down the other way i'd rather see it on both on on main street i think this is an opportunity for us to do  and to make it safe especially for kids going to school so more kids can get to school and more kids can walk to school i was at a lot of those meetings and i know there are a lot of people here that are the transportation meetings and there  go you can go back to that slide that shows what the streets look like by bike lanes should be inside of where the cars are parked not outside and definitely like a shared a shared lane with the cars just unless you're a hardcore biker like i am your people are not going to use a bike lane there unless it's a protected bike lane especially with fifty thousand cars going going every day be where the bike lane is if you go on weaver street especially on a saturday or sunday when church is in session there are there are cars parked everywhere  few crazy people like me but if you want your own kids ride bikes to schools that are so have to be taxi drivers every day you're going to be protected by a structure and i think this is a great opportunity to do that and if you took out parking on one side of the street i think that would free up a lot of space and every business needs a lot of parking like really have to question that because if you go down to the rotary you see all those restaurants there are the ones that are you throw it out to the folks in the audience and then i'm not to be a real stickler but i'd like you keep your comments to hundred to three minutes if you could so that we can hear from his many people as possible tonight to see how he carried this project through over to burn across the bridge when the british needs to be rebuilt in place joe where also at the other end where we have tractor residential the lawn increased density more cars so what's the build out in that particular area over twenty years when we start to see the older homes can now and we're allowing multi story multi car complexes so what's the build up for peak traffic for with this i hear a lot about slowing people down to it how has a four story apartment complex put parking away there are a couple large percival's that are undeveloped off the project area and what's the build up for those in once that traffic human path to main street there not everyone's not getting in the car the morning driving so i you know will probably assume that there's lots of traffic being generated make sure that whatever improvements work but the hope is you know through this type of development that doesn't happen the last two you still you would still want your street from your curbside spaces to step up to did for the forest cove project we should the trees that i think you know ten years fifteen years thirty years crowns being fully developed and we did that on purpose because we believe the also i think the city you can really do a lot to kind of tune them took to the right space and we've got that essence crossing you can turn up a bit you know in between blocks you could really play around with those the consistent the the the tree planter with the supporting infrastructure in the ground   i mean i grew up in minneapolis where unfortunately like it's an urban area where you take public transportation to get somewhere to go see him or go  but i think i think that we can answer that but any accuracy at this point i think what we can say is that we won't know anything until we get through this first thirty percent project engineering you would be to be wrong for me to say give you some definitive answer because i simply don't answer but i do know that there is there is a variety of funding sources that you leverage will leverage against each other  or with each other part of me so that we we hope to have as minimal impact on the taxpayer as that's possible that's that's an over overarching  available sexually all the time as i told paul and jesse to and brian it's if you build it we will i mean when you're ready to to to build this project we'll have the funds available for you i don't is the benefit is that you have municipal bonds that you are going to have to pass in order to do the project and the way so there are finding opportunities always available to him in terms of the immediate cost of the ski is that it is urban but it's also very convenient so i think getting rid of parking would be a bad idea and i also want to point out the i don't think it makes sense to design a project based on how and why ask people to act i think it makes sense to design the project based on how you know people will act so i think it's great you want you know to encourage more biking and walking but i think you just need to take into account people are people and they're going to act the way they're go as as we see new projects coming along we'll take the two projects that are there are construction out the current target requirement is one point two five spaces per unit in addition there's this is three parking spaces for every thousand square feet of commercial use which if you project out that there will be eventually developed up and down main street and they're all required to have that much parking we are going to behind the buildings so we are currently requiring any new development to meet that standard which is a plus in part for employees so it's it's it's a it's a more than generous p standard when we originally proposed the base code we said point seven five spaces per unit but the and number became one point two five so again if we continue developing and we develop the parking required by the zoning behind all the buildings it's going to be to give you an example the block that is the elbow if you took away all the parking there so there's twenty two spaces there and you built one building on that walk that had the required parking for that building you would have all those you have twenty four spaces so we would you to accommodate all those parking spaces that are on street currently behind the building per requirement zone so i don't necessarily think that the idea of a parking garage is the highest and best use of land on this street and i think eventually we might even have to revisit our parking standards because i think there there the generous and they're going to produce a lot of a lot of parking spaces so i want to just address both of those because it is just the facts have to be on the table that as development occurs they are  developing in addition to units and commercial uses they're developing corresponding dedicated parking spaces for all those uses so just let's put that on the table because it's  shelters and all that stuff as well in this process so that it's not purely oriented to cars and cyclists or gesture but also public transit boxes underground for you we want you to think about innovating think about the most progressive design that you can think of we want we want to think about hundred years into the future not five years into the future so we've met with fair point today for example and they're talking about fiber in tall all fiber but not carbon fiber going into all the stuff way off the main line that runs up and down the street and when it happens to be not only a conduit this fuse knowing kind of for cars it's a major conduit for electricity and all those those utilities so so it's an opportunity and that's why we've been sort of putting it to them this and they've been i think actually stepping up to the plate and saying this is great very excited about about rethinking our what we what what's going on on the street how we bus traffic at the bus would be completely when stopping blocking traffic because they would have no place to pull to the side stopping traffic completely during fast stops that combined the yeah the the what we're going to do is the planning commission the public works commission will jointly convene all public engagement meetings to lead his feet having another that little bit more here's where we where we got to but again the planning commission will have as a regular standing in general i do updates for this project so if you come to the next planning commission meeting or the next one after that or any of them there will be an update on the planning commission members where we stand with the project and whether there is any smaller decision making that needed to be happening so  i would keep my eye on the agenda for the planning commission if you're interested in this project will work but it again this commission the purpose of this commission is to do projects of this nature so