i also like to tell you that if you wish to be classified as an interested person as an interested person as defined under vermont  law there are a number of categories but you will need to say something in valving hearing you want to be interested person parties to attempt such among themselves to reach an agreement through hopefully mediation it appears that they are still working on it and have filed with the the stipulation motion to continue and they would like to continue the matter for an additional sixty days  while they attempt to continue their negotiations so innocently body on the board has an objection i don't or tatum o should to continue this to the october tenth tenth two thousand when the hearing will be continuing and wants to participate in deliberations and hearing any additional testimony then the board at that time with the concurrence so that just that's an option should you want to do he said and that's correct unless you really are bored and have not much to do with your time you make one hate before you spend time looking at it because playground surface to the playground it's prone to washing away of flood and it'll have to be replaced periodically anyway due to turn over the material but  ongoing basis that would be part of the playground to meet its budget so you're talking about about five thousand dollars per year i would expect to have to replace all of it every year if there was a flood washed away we'd have to replace all of it if we were for a few years where there was no flood we probably just have to purchase a small amount of it every year to just keep the playground surface in order because of the nature of how it's made but it's not necessarily a one piece it just sort of works out that that's the way it operates  but it will float away yes now would wash away with a heavy rain storm or it would take an actual flood situation to wash to float away right it would take an actual flood when the river in that thing but the cost to repair that would be pretty expensive also so there's no guarantee that the rubber surface would never get damage that would certainly hold up i think to a typical five anybody have any comments or questions driveway and with that i've got the newest set of plans and i can talk about those one thing i will mention is that the grades in the driveway width of the driveway everything that was approved last year has not changed really the only thing that we're doing here is i feel improving the design minimizing impact around the stream minimizing the amount of fill the needs to be to build up the road bed we start to see wittes at the culver level or the culvert elevation that we're too wide and you know is having to get in i would have to get to twenty foot sections of culvert and it just doubled my cost so i went back to dean rover and asked if there was and if i if i use boulders i can probably do a twenty to twenty five foot length culvert if i use it's exclusively rip rap i'm probably going to have to go to a thirty foot with clover and that really just relates to the t i'm trying to do is just present the fact that i may depending upon availability materials and covert links i may either go you know twenty feet to thirty feet i have a range of length that i'm working with here and i wouldn't go lower than twenty feet and i wouldn't go above thirty feet and as i'm building this thing in implementing it i may use a combination of reparable and boulders as we bring the grade in and we hit need apparently to get close to zero not going to make a lot of sense to put a two foot hi but i'm not i mean i'm not deviating wildly from from glances and here i mean that there are i guess i'm saying they're not drastic deviations in this i mean whether you deal with boulders or reprimand you know these are approaches right that's right so we like something new from tom i would want something that says that talks about the with the one drive when well he says we do not accept the bridge design of twelve feet wide we believe the bridge should be a minimum of fourteen feet wide that implies to me he wants a fourteen foot wide tribal at that point as well right just because it's a cold hard more bridge it's part of a driveway so it's with relative to their vehicles that's that's a gas i can't speak for tom for respond don't come here in you know thirty foot links you're either getting twenty you're getting ten or you're getting to twenty foot pieces to go to forty and so what i did is i went to chris parnell who was given the extreme crossing twenty three feet so i'm living towards the thirty foot like pole or at least twenty five feet but what i'm trying to research right now is can i get a twenty foot piece of clover and then just find somebody trying to sell you know  in i can't i have not been able to pin that down so i'm looking for a little bit of latitude within reason all that's all and what's the back is there a maximum  standpoint it's a much better way to go and you know it's its elevation above the stream is going to be probably you know with a very well you're going to come up i guess a little bit less than three feet so you  how much so from the top of the top of the arch get how much go there on that drawing just the scale you know i can review it if you want to exact number but i can give you a range that's probably and you know there may be a little bit of planning it's it's one thing to go from you know this is this is paper civil engineer you know when you get on the field and you have to build make decision know less than half a square mile of watershed that i went through the state process to get approval for this with people who started this all time who are the expert in this and they told me that what i was doing studio up there area that is brought in what i mean just examples of what i'll be making up there i'm sure the people come in and talk about what they are interested in doing but this is just just looking to be more accurate in what i'm actually doing in terms of its use which is why i'm going this route because it's it is as a name implies it's for you know an artistic endeavor that's it right and this you know that's that is largely by appointment i i don't want people to showing up you know randomly without an appointment just because of the fact that i'm there working for a minute if either of you play in the sun out i may do that in the future but i also want to ask the question about what the sign square footage or dimensions are in terms of like the low approval or the permit reform and if i believe there's a minimum sign or a signed image that you can do that doesn't wire for  mean i don't know if you know if the location of the sign is significant if it's at the house does that require a certain set of permits or redo or if it's at the road does that require a certain set of permits or review because sign installed up to twelve feet right now and maybe maybe that maybe that you know the wise thing for me to do to save the thirty five bucks or whatever it right away but that you know i would at least get approval for it so if i want to do it you know he's going to want to purchase demonstrate forward momentum within two years so there are some aspects of the permit every spring when i got bigger things to worry about right now than putting a sign down by the end of my trunk but i mean it you know i could see the building like building you know have your house done in like well i mean right now this is it's just finishing up the fishing everything up to get in there but i think i'm on the way to doing it but yeah i mean i could see how you know next spring next summer when things when the dust has settled in the grass any of the questions from the board on this part of the application dealing with the artist's studio that may or may are you may have to bring that back to your side right because i think you know that there's a minimum set back i think it is twenty five feet in just willis who did my septic and well design  as you can imagine him really as an advocate for a statics i mean it's you know it's part of what i do aaron one of the things that i'm looking into probably we will be good david but i'd like to just mention one of the things i'm looking at doing is there are some services out there that are grass services that are integrated with labor like a paper like concrete like dr grass basically and when i'm looking at doing it because i don't want to big swat any other questions for the war on either parts of the application this season either approve or deny and that and if approved whatever conditions were set up and that's where you get within forty five days yeah so you know you should be able to kind of get the web figured question kathleen as soon as tomorrow terms are least ok approve or deny and then the specific language will take some some further days but even under that circumstance right then you've got to get a permanent so to be issued a decision which then has to have a waiting period and then he'll period  i guess is there anything that that i can do to help you with i mean if i entered coarseness the way just in terms of in a manner that is clear that give you what you need to go for think there should be both but what we heard is you really want what you're asking for is no more than thirty right so this doesn't say no more than thirty it's twenty