thirty four and it's amendment number three for the chicken and solid waste district to the composting facility which was originally approved back in two thousand and ten there's been a couple of amendments since then  looking to build an additional storm water facility and the purpose of that is to be able to collect runoff from larger flow storms it's a problem that we're seeing more and more  different parts of the state as the climate changes that the runoff from this area which is sort of the more northern or northeastern there operation this is coming off of where they have the curing area and have a whole separate storm water facility that collects any runoff or leach eight that comes from where they do the main part of the composting thing where they're basically breaking down raw materials and if i remember correctly i believe brian said that this was something that the state yeah the the the sandpit they just well there's a couple things we wanted to combine to storm fans and one bigger one and then we wanted to have better trains in the city itself so you know the use of the composting facility it's all approved it's in a lot of use this is just an accessory for support function that would be part of the overall functioning of the composting operation  we received no comments from public works so they don't have any issues with that no comments from the fire department they don't have any issues with the planning office to have we've prepared a sarratt or generic this process that goes this certain area that's when road and and it cures and any run off that comes off the curing pile so i actually regulated by the solid waste of asian not by the storm our vision so when i looking at stormwater permit permitted on our person always permit this always permit requires that we infiltrate the runoff that comes in contact with the curing piles so so currently we have a low area on the downhill side that collects the runoff and it infiltrates in and most all the time it works great for a couple of years ago when we had a really wet spring and we had some heavy rains the infiltration area couldn't handle the runoff that was coming off securing piles and it actually filled to the top and it overflowed and overflowed down a portion of roman road and there was a small amount of a road that occurred along weber and road that we had to correct so that the goal of this is we're going to put in a larger infiltration area about triples the existing area that's there and if we do get up unusually wet spring again or really heavy rains instead of overflowing going down room and drive we've designed an overflow that goes into a direct it away from my own road so it doesn't cause any emotion and that's pretty pretty much about it we do some work in the old k c pit and we have the same issue there you know about every five years when it's really wet we get a little bit of standing water in the pit in the spring so actually just putting it under drain down the middle of the of the pit that will discharge to an adjacent ravine so so two to action items going on out on the going to see feet across we know that it's going to require some maintenance of the stone going to get clogged up every couple years we'll have to just dig it out and replace it but that's that's not a big item for us there's not a lot of traffic in and out of that road so i did see a couple of people come in after the hearing was opened you could make sure that you did sign in one person do it and one person maybe not next up is a deep eighteen dash  six vermont hotel group l  all well we can we can skip you guys and go to the next next hearing and then come back to you t the property is currently developed with a single family home the outlook and super proposing to subdivide the single lot into four single family home lots and the remaining seventy two point two four acres is proposed as protecting the applicants indicated that last one may be subdivided into four or five lots in the  project the police department had no comments the fire department is concerned about the the lack of water at the site and is requesting an augmentation of the water supply the either buried fifteen thousand gallon tank submitted attached comments stating the project needs to conform to the public works specifications and that has built plans and engineering survey cations or choir at the completion of the project prior certificate of occupancy the partner public works requested that the applicant show all utilities proposed an existing and made a note that the future subdivision of lot one will be required to follow their standard specifications this proposal was also reviewed by the wilson conservation commission and staff proposes of determining the number of dwelling units allowed but this is unlikely have any impact on the number of watts that have been proposed as a subdivision of a parcel of land ten and a half acres or greater this project is required to set aside a minimum of seventy five percent of the area of the parent personal as permanently protected open space the open space must include steep slopes wetland areas and the wilston conservation commission has me comments related to the requirements of open space development under chapter twenty seven and chapter thirty one one of their findings states that the applicant has noted that lot one may be subdivided in the future any feature subdivision of the fifteen point four acre lot line is subject to the seventy five percent open space between firemen and  they were assuming that the current byelaws would apply into you know infinity which may not be the case staff notes the uncertainties inherent in contemplating future subdivision this parcel and therefore recommends that the dealer be not include any reference to a possible future application in its recommendations for this  as far as access goes the proposed development for lot one will be accessed from a private driveway known as amber lane the by law allows up to five dwelling units on a shared driveway on the other proposed lots will be accessed from old stage road permits for new single family homes will have to be accompanied by impact he's including traffic impact piece pre application is also the stage where the d may ask for traffic impact study if they so desire the staff notes that in wilston three additional single family units would produce three point zero three new pm peak hour traffic trips and so therefore we're not recommending that the dealer be request a traffic study for this project for authorize the applicant will proceed with the residential growth management allocation request for three additional units staff is recommending the project be allowed to move forward to growth management review with some of the following recommendations comments well not too many comments basically just one talking about lot one originally you know shawn plans on putting his house there you know in the short term and at this point in time we don't have any plans putting anything else on lot one but sometime in the future we like to reserve that right to subdivide that's why it's a fifteen acre lot i understand that bylaws can change in the board can't make any promises we're fine with all that we will a little surprised when we saw the fifteen point four five acre lot would then be subject to the seventy five percent open space acquirement thinking that while we had met our open space requirement kind of seems like double dipping and we'll split it in the two lots and i'm pretty sure we'll make sure that it's less than ten point five acres when we're done so but we're pretty well set we have no issues with the staff notes or the recommendations  well in terms of being subdivided mostly mostly for tax purposes you know once if it was subdivided now into say four law for five watts then i believe the assessor would look at it a little bit different if you have any comment on the fire department now it's a little odd seeing how you could you could probably hit the new water tank you know with a bow and arrow from where the house location is so i'm not quite sure but we'll have that conversation with the with the  little driving yeah well it's a little it was a little odd sitting there and looking at the new tank being built but that's all right well work that out fire chief normally is pretty reasonable  lot one is lot one with the drive in is also looks beautiful from from this and you've got four other was going to wind up on old stage road that are squares that are that are about as boring as you can possibly get why not do something where you have a single access where there is a road driven in the lots are clustered the houses are clustered they can be on the same size lots the front stays clean they don't get all broken up with a mailbox every two hundred feet and you end up with a more beautiful piece of property my opinion all right so you're free to do what you want  but it seems to me that with that with the land that you have and some creativity you've got a major lost opportunity that's that as i said this is my opinion and  that you don't have to respond i respect that my opinion is that you know other questions and more questions from the audience that all detail the plans for controlling stormwater from from the development than mine is the nature of how storms comes here in this part of the country has been changing over the years and so what sometimes what people may experience well it's all because of what they did next or it's all because of what they did down the street maybe maybe not maybe it's due to the fact that the nature of the storm events that we have now is we get more highly intensive storm events where you get more we know from looking at some of those maps there are some sand and some some soil is that drain better than others but large parts of town have clay soils and they don't drain particularly well you get it you get a lot of rain comes down in a short period of time that's that's going to prove that's going to prove to be difficult but it's melinda said they'll have to the have to show us a storm or plant they may be required to get storm water permit by the state depending upon whether or not they tripped the state thresholds for impervious surface i don't know the answer to that it at this particular point in time but i don't want to being in the process to be you do your best planning you take your best judgment five percent of the partial will about seventy two acres will remain as open space it's not not dated to the town not public land to be owned by shah and basically those mechanisms on it so it about things that they may or may not want to include in their subdivision so so that part of your question about who's going on the open space that's the kind of thing the applicant if the applicant says we're going to place a conservation easement on that open space or the applicant says that we would work out some some deal with the land trust the applicant would get more points in growth management if they did it that way as opposed to just saying it's going to be designated open space on the plot and we're going to continue no no so so so part of it the ball's in the end in the court of the applicant to some extent and they they decide what they want to include as part of the project or not and they will get more or fewer points based on what it is that they do so so that's all going to take place the fourth week of march and then after that assuming if the applicant gets allocation they have one year from that day to come in to submit an application for a discretionary permit and that's the time at which we get all the engineering so some of the questions about wells and septic systems and drainage and all that stuff all that engineering detail we need to be provided at that time so that's just to let you know about that the process as it goes from here i'm seven thirty eight like a chair does want to make one comment before we get going and that is that from the package that was provided to us i know that there is a four story hotel proposed will still allows three stories not four stories i'm seeing surprise on your faces so i may be able to shed some light on the ok not can matt is maybe can surprise us both  office as well as the u p s store paper peddler ski the east retail and some other uses as well i'll skip right to the discussion of height because this question was that governs the business park zoning district was amended to extend the height incentive that is available in the taft corner zoning district across the street to this zoning district there are two ways you can access that heightened sense of which raises the height limit from thirty six feet to fifty two feet you can build permanently or rather perpetually affordable housing or you can provide significant amount of the building's parking demand in a structure or underneath the building in the taft corner zoning district where this incentive is available there's another paragraph under the height and set of that says the intent of this is not to have people build four and five story buildings with flat roofs the intent of this is to build three and maybe four stor buildings depending on the great if they have a pitched roof so that's it that's the caviar to the heightened sense of that exists in the taft corners district in the business park district the height incentive says you can go from thirty six to fifty two if you provide affordable housing or structure parking period and the the nice words about putting it three or four storeys under a pitched roof is actually absent from that piece of  now does meet the requirements to tap into the heightened set of business park all ok great it was a surprise to me to think that it was the other way when i heard that question asked recently because i thought i'd  it down so i'm glad i'm glad we're clear on that so you know moving past that i'll just go through so let's so why don't we start let's go back to the beginning because i think we all just learned something that we didn't know so let's level so this is the the preliminary stage this is the first stage process that also involves a discretionary permit hearing where there's far greater requirements for the kind of information the output would have to provide to the board as well as eventually the filing of final plans or any rule issued by the nose or other two steps here so pre application is understood to be a concept level review multiple concepts are encouraged often like in this case out against you come to us with with one idea of what they want to build and where they want to put it and so you have one concept in front of you this is the stage of review where the d r v can request a couple of things as part discretionary permit review the d r b can ask for example for a traffic study staff is recommending you ask for some information about traffic as well as shared parking study and where there are multiple uses on the site and uses proposed the general desire to not build more parking than is necessary staff is recommending that if the applicants perceive described it they provide the d o b with a shared parking study so  building that's proposed is fifty eight thousand square feet ninety six rooms it's a four story hotel with a basement level of parking below grade underneath it there is a little bit of grade on the site you can you puts that parking level entirely below grade with the first floor sensually act grade on the post office or or retail store side of the parking lot this is the first time this project has been reviewed by the d r be the site was originally developed under north shore partnership in one thousand nine hundred five and in much much more recent history the d r v did approve a master signed plan for the site under discretionary permit fifteen dash twenty because there are multiple commercial tenants on the site so the proposed to use is a hotel he will list and uses the north america industry classification system to define uses and a i c s use number seven to auditing which covers hotels is listed as an allowed use in the zoning district access to the site is proposed by the three curb cuts that currently exist on the site  are proposed as part of the application as i mentioned staff is recommending that the d m v talk to the applicant about traffic generation and whether you want a traffic study origin or trip it generation information that may be something the board would like to discuss with the outlook and there are some landscape buffer requirements we have street frontage is on three sides of this building where the requirements chapter twenty nine would come into play essentially dictating street tree section that generally looks like one major tree every thirty feet or so or three per hundred there are a large number of existing mature trees on the site but there are some places that will need to be filled in and then the property has a side yard setback with the adjacent actually furniture building to the east the applicant has shown a ten foot setback there you could fit in nine foot wide type two i believe landscape buffer of a continuous screaming hedge within that barrier and come into compliance with chapter twenty three uses are basically other commercial buffering to other commercial so generally fairly narrow buffers are allowed when the uses are as similar as that in terms of site maintenance going forward if the options proceed to discretionary permit review there will be information required on the site about dumpster locations and screening as well as any contactors snow storage areas and the like in terms of outdoor lighting if the applicant perceives discretionary permit a complete photometric plan will be required showing compliance with the town's lighting standards in general those standards involve both the maximum amount of light on the site a requirement that the light all be downward shielded that the light not trespass yes off of the site and the areas that are proposed to be lit are huge lit uniformly the town does also have standards related to architectural lighting primarily prohibiting bands of light that illuminate the eye or structure but rather you know haun's or islands of light that highlight architectural features in the maximum height for exteriors lighting on a building in willesden is set at fifteen feet above grade in terms of parking as i mentioned the applicant is proposing additional parking reconfiguration of the surface parking lot as well as parking under the building and as i mentioned the staff is recommending that the deer be require a shared parking study justifying the amount of parking proposed in total on the site the applicant has identified in their preliminary plan that they are able to access up to a twenty percent reduction in total required parking on the site due to their proximity to transit so there's a transit shelter and stop just the other side of where park road on wheels and road and there's there's a service with fifteen minute headways on wilson road from here to downtown burlington so staff would generally support a significant discount and parking numbers based on that as well as whatever can be accomplished through shared parking i would note that when the whole thing comes in for discretionary permit we have a legacy site that was built under older development standards going back as far as one thousand nine hundred five the parking including all the requirements that come out of parking should be addressed site wide when it comes back in so that means average finish grade will just note that in willesden the maximum height includes everything that's attached to the building so we sometimes get questions from people was at the midpoint of the roof to my chimneys count cetera in willesden everything's got to fit under thirty six or the fifty two foot limit there is existing signage on the site there will need to be a revised master signed plan provided as part of an application for a discretionary permit i hope that that is far more to scale better and accurate than the one that exists for the site today and i say that because i basically prepared the one for the site today and it was a quick job to help the owner who needed to get some retail tenants in at the time and it wasn't my most detailed work so there's a great opportunity to to brush up the master side plan on the site and make it better than the one i more or less did in terms of design review this property is both in our growth c and in the towns design review district this means that the requirements of chapter twenty two apply and that the d o b will be receiving the design advisory committee advice from the historic actual advisory committee at discretion or permit stage in general a quick swipe through the requirements of chapter twenty two that relate to single use buildings like this windows face the street entrances face the street no dead walls provide airlocks in other words there's not a major door on the site that just around the building that just opens out and you know expose his condition space directly to the outside hotels almost categorically have that sort of thing they generally don't have dead walls  applicant has presented a rendering of what the building might look like showing that pitched roof elements showing a facade with a couple different materials on it and some articulation even you know a discretionary permit stage we'll talk in greater detail about material selection and things like that but the staff impression is it's going in the right direction for compliance with the design for a few chapters requirements that said i have prepared recommendations in a draft motion authorizing the album to move forward to the structure of permit review we did receive comment memos from both fire and public works i would characterize the comments of  be fairly general and generally pointing out requirements either in the public works specifications or the fire department plan review requirements that would need to be met and shown to be met at the discretionary permit stage we always encourage applicants to talk to those commenting departments outside of their conversations with us and make sure there's a who's there but i didn't see anything in the memos that seemed out of the ordinary so that all leave you with a draft motion let the what else is there to think yeah that's fantastic thank you for that you're going to you're going to flush out what you want to do where the summary so yeah basically they want to build a ninety six unit hotel they want to go up to the fifty two feet maximum height that's allowed taking the credit for the underground parking and i i do know a few more things since this has been submitted one is that there's not going to be a  pool and to really access to the underground parking might not be west face of the building we may come off of the north in to an out of the north side of the building so that's just a little change since that's the middle but yeah so we're after this meeting we're going to get plans together and move on to discretionary permit and we're here to see what you think get your comments and find out what we need to incorporate into our discussion and permit good building not just to get another floor but you're actually building that floor is just reporters parking where if you didn't need the parking then you could drop down to three stories or you know if we didn't need that part i think we would keep the parking because they want to the underground parking proposed by the applicant there was a reason to not need as much surface parking as on the site today the applicants could propose to reconfigure and retain that surface parking which which would be in line with a because you know the picture of it makes it look like there's a pier down slope back towards the building you know reason i asked that question just because my harness seventy foot wide snow comes off of the hotel or is it possible that you would have some other public park being used i'm guessing it's for the residence of the hotel if you'd like to so you know the typical food service that happens in a hotel would likely be able to be approved as assessor but something that was much bigger in size which would tip the balance beyond what's currently allowed so in the business park district  surrounded on the arts bordered on two sides by the taft corners district where you have you know standalone restaurants you have retail business park the wait zone today is sort of reflective of its past as an office park  retail is allowed on parcels like this one that runs on route two but standalone restaurants aren't allowed in the zoning district at all right now the sandwich company that does exist there predates that  what you may ask anything you want heard what is th just want to sort of leave it out there and then you know that the out of him sort of wither on the binder come back here or if you want to give them a day where you say all right folks here we should come back in by yeah i think you're r west in business are only paragraph one which says if you do structure are horrible housing you can go to fifty two feet only in that board having reviewed the allegations submitted in all accompanying materials including recommendations of the town staff who buys your board required to comment on this application by the wilson developed by a lot having heard duly considered the testimony presented to the public hearing of november november fourteenth twenty recovery facility on the subject property as approval authorizes the applicant to submit final plans for the signature of the administrator and in accordance with the approval of this permit by the d o b the seek the approval of administrative permits in strict accordance with those final plans in order to develop the site p eighteen only and authorize the applicant to proceed to residential growth management allocation great oversight on second set any further discussion you want to basically make the statement including the recommendations of the town staff and the advisory boards required to comment on this application by the woolston development by law and having heard and do we consider the testimony presented the public hearings of november fourteenth two thousand and seventeen except the accept the recommendations proposed by staff for the review of d p eighteen days there were six and authorized happened to proceed to discretionary permit review we're going to add two recommendations number five the applicant shall provide the site wide compliance with the bylaws including aviate and bicycles parking outdoor storage lighting signage equipment screening buffers  and recommendation number six the board is concerned with the massing in the visual impact of this building from the street the board requests the app and show how this building fits into the context including options such as citing the building parallel with wilston road stepping it back from the street or incorporating the top floor into a steeper  roof back on the first back on the first recommendation that you added is there are going to is are we going to get into trouble by listing out all of those who live in areas matt had originally said something along the lines of compliance with the bylaw will be required cite quite broad covers everything doesn't doesn't mean i don't mind striking off the samples of a motion to approve the minutes of october twenty fourth two thousand and seventeen i'll make a motion to approve the minutes of october twenty fourth two thousand and seventeen as written ok pete makes the motion of second