can pretty full agenda this evening thank you i'll get there new words are new to me so i'd like just a reminder to folks as we're talking bringing up questions and so forth to try to be as concise as you can so that we can try to get through everything  we do we stop at a certain point because people run out of steam and run out of gas so i just want to keep that sort of an awareness factor so to begin with i'm going to start with amendments to the agenda which the only minute is that channel seventeen has agreed to cover both of our october meetings big thank you for public comment section i'm going to go out a line tonight and i'm going to ask for folks just to stand and swear in i'm going to store everybody at once and then once we open up for public comment also be the place where we discuss items on our consent agenda if there are  questions from the audience or questions from commissioners that is the time we bring them up before we go to move on the consent agenda so if everyone here could please rise to swear you in you swear that any testimony you present this evening will be truthful to the best of your abilities thank you painless so on to the second item on our agenda which is the public comments she's a spot for folks to provide commentary to the planning commission on any item that's on the consent agenda or anything in general that you want to speak to us about for items that are not on the agenda so with regards to items on the consent agenda does anyone have any questions or comments  proposal to re approve an expired commercial industrial approval for the militant realty group and the allen thirty l martin drive in the r p i in the other is a boundary line adjustment for linda the clerk and jean jordan which is a proposal to convey half an acre and at thirty from thirty nine discovery road to thirty nine discover a to thirty nine ok are there any questions or commentary on the consent agenda question on the boundary line adjustment as a result of that well that was it was just a question are there any comments on any items that are not on the agenda moving on consent agenda do i have a motion from the from the board to approve the consent agenda and will we have consented to appear by josh seconded by ned any further discussion of those in favor by high opposed motion carries five zero seminar agenda is a conceptual discussion in st mansfield industrial so see it's proposing sed to site plan options both consisting of approximately thirty five thousand square feet commercial building with truck docks and associate improvements for probably look at it one alan martin doctor derren you can you speak to this is before we turn to the applicants sure so you will see that there are two proposed con this driveway on one concept which is i believe the preferred concept by the applicant is to have a new access of sand hill road in order to allow for better sight distances after these trucks that are entering a because if they were to use this access try here there wouldn't be as good side distances and there would have to be more of a shared access and more impact on those driveways it does cross through the two hundred foot buffer along sam hill road as prescribed in the r p would have to go through what is technically a fifty foot around hundred foot buffer on our martin drive and it's right at the intersection of sand hill road which is where that would transition from a two hundred foot buffer to a fifty or one hundred foot buffer still industrial group they have the two lots as daryn mentioned this law previously was sold and they have a six point seven seventy a lot of that remains so they had a fair amount of interest on and off on the lock recently the problem they run into is is the access is an issue you know the question of whether or not public works would allow another access and this board would allow another access and and so we've had a lot of plans that have kind of started they've gone the conceptual stage and the applicant or the interested party has basically backed out and said well is this too many unknowns on this parcel you know we're going to go someplace else to try to make this parcel of a more marketable we talk to staff and staff suggested that we come in and present you with some conceptual plans because we get some stuff feedback and we more importantly we get public works feedback on whether they would support and additional access so on the plan we're showing what what we think would be a typical use of thirty five thousand square foot combination commercial warehouse building as the board knows most of the buildings built lately along our martin drive and you know general for sanity tend to be this type of use obviously we have a similar use across the street just down the road where mr mehlis property is as you get on top and drive mr senekal is typically building a similar  you know truck docks building somewhere in the twenty to sixty thousand square foot range so we did a couple of conceptual plans one one with the access coming in on this property line and then another with an access to kind of lined up with the intersection here we we don't really have a preference one of the other we thought the public works would prefer this option and they came back stating that they did like this better they suggested maybe we would realign this a little bit so it didn't shine right into the windows of the residential house there but sewing conceptual plan we will have a client with a tenant we just basically want to get to the point where someone comes and is interested in this property we can say well we have a conceptual plan it appears that the planning commission of public works will support an additional access in the problem of the easement that they have is you know comes in the swing is so tight that comes across yes that's like can't get you know any larger truck traffic you know pedestrian or problem you know regular car traffic in and out is certainly acceptable through there but truck traffic just doesn't work both plans show you know continuing to have a connection to the easement across there so so car traffic small vehicle traffic could and go in either direction so we're thankful i'm just here to get your comment on  just pretty much identical to what he said i think coming off of sand hills along with sight distances and everything but the two hundred foot buffer is not a precedent i really want to open up  really clear where they mesh together you know half the road is going to be able to on a football for a half hour or might be a wonderful buffer it just depends on how you interpret the sidelines of the road so i guess i might my comment would be that i consider the tuner foot buffer absolute period and if that means that that use or structure doesn't work in there because of that then that's what it means we'll see that that's a legal period but might my perspective on that and we've held to that and all other development that i've participated in other reviews you've helped to i mean there's been some significant infrastructure but it has been consistent says parking areas access drives and components of stormwater management systems may not be located within the two hundred foot buffer although underground utility isn't crossings are permitted it does say later the planning commission may not waive buffer requirements in the two hundred foot buffer so it's not specifically called out but all the language in that section is pretty clear that the purpose of this buffer is to maintain and i'm say maintaining an under stirred vegetated state no tre education should be allowed since with the exception of such pick to vs authorized person to a forest management plan i doubt the public works would even accept a public room that's not short and in that location and i don't want to speak for them but i think it would be a very big hurdle if that were dear it seems to me that the ordinance is very specific about what can go in there very specific and we didn't get it says exactly walking go in the two hundred four buffer and why can't can go out of our i don't agree with that so right and here's an exception of undergoing a killer so from my perspective and what we have the way we have applied in interpreted this to date has been that it's not it's not usable for anything other than utilities and we had that similar discussion i believe on one alan martin dr we were talking about utilities and access there as well as it when i was another there was another one that we had recently where they were talking about that it was a utility easement when so conceptually the used to building design and so forth i don't hear that there's any concerns really easy access and that seems ok i think we're saying that the that the option to go through one hundred foot buffer exists the option to go through the two hundred for offer i'm not hearing that there support from the commission that that's a that's an option so whether or not it's workable that's i think more of an engineering exercise whether or not they're safe distance speed and so forth that they're cool allow that to work but that seems to fall within the work that you guys have submitted to us in the past that at this posted speed limit you had this site distance and that seems to much more of a mathematical process and six david drive the boundary adjustment does cross the industrial and residential business district line which goes through here transferring approximately two acres to sixty have a drive to allow them to construct a m seven thousand two hundred square foot storage building for the light manufacturing used to permit it on that property there is a plus a plateau here else there is a pedestrian easement that the town that is to the town about six from six david drive from the sidewalk here running along the northern property line this is shown in the creation director felt that although this is shown in the town plan there is not a particular use for this reason at this time it would be really difficult to put a trail through here because of the wyland and the  ok is a little different than we've normally done we don't normally look at two at the same time we usually will have been condensed into one document or or doing it's completely separate so it's just one they should we keep everything clee we try to set that up so and hard for a project like this but we don't want to hold the boundary just not lot to the conditions of a site planned on the other one which is where you guys what's your what's your perspective on this the repair is european buffer on this or is it just not not on a wetland so there is technically a small stream that runs through here but the stream and its fifty foot buffer are completely incompetent by the  the women would be the more restrictive so who's presenting for the applicant in this yes i understand that did you even sign in you came in late you didn't swear in you didn't sign in well i got staff tell me they didn't come in late and to me of saying they didn't say it's like everybody just excellent sir you have the floor for now would it be feasible to have that be noted as an easement but yet recognize that it may have to float move i mean we've done that before in some of the parcels off from thomson drive which looking at recognizing that was a desire for connectivity but we couldn't do it now we had it we had a knowledge meant that there was an easement but that it would move it it could move but is it i mean it's not it's hard to put it back in late i mean it's is it there now i mean it is halfway it's it's just a stretch of rivers exasperate yeah we're looking to try to extend the  just any further amendments to this project to develop down the property will will require a you know new determination if a trail is is appropriate at that time we would be retaining the existing easement and really then declaring that there would be of an evaluation for the connectivity if there's any future development on that one there's a lot of both walketh there are two in question up it doesn't sound like it will be all that feasible in the future but you know who knows  john think we're going to get some language in there just to keep it as it is maybe address it later we need to p p p option open i guess it's there that's let's keep it i don't think we need to make a make a trail at this point in time but but that's it if it's there that's grab it so let's go back to the app of itself right now i mean i think we're i mean i think the idea is that we don't want to nestle walk away from the thought of the senate but we definitely don't want to have anything i may be wrong but i'm not look we're not looking for anything to be built in at this point anything to be there's no expectation of connectivity at this point but we're looking to try to secure that connectivity in the future if the option presents and i think that means we want to have that easement now then the development i mean from the charles person do you would you concur from from your knowledge of the area or that it's is it is a trail bill today and that that meets that from the applicant point of view there's no as there's no building requirements at this point but there is an acknowledgment and we can put that into our finding section that we recognize that it's not feasible at this point in time but that we are requiring it that it be considered if i think we fought we have that in our planning commission fines and then a stipulation that if environmental regulations allow for connectivity so from a boundary line adjustment do we have any concerns so i planned this or any concerns questions on that from the  plans we want to add the one condition to referring to the easement for the potential of a connector to give a trail connection if right whichever one is approaching and i'm looking to you guys putting that language in both because we don't have anything else to put i troll district in the industrial zone districts tax map forty seven fifty three parcels for nine for the team and that includes the proposal to construct a seven thousand two hundred square foot commercial building on probably located sixty you next item on our agenda is a site plan amendment masterplan amendment public airing peter edelman doing business as euro as partners supposing to amend the master plan by adding green space at the center of the parcel if you came in late who were sort of the testimony present will be truthful to the best of your ability thank you paul you started first go ahead we've had that discussion you know many countries for so what we're proposing to do now is the darker green areas are for existing parking if you if you come up to the parking lane here you basically can go straight across you know into the parking lane and then there's twenty compartments three through here so to work opposing to get rid of that drive lane and get rid of twenty two parking spaces they're in an almost double the amount of green space that we have and that's not our that's not our area so you know we think it makes a green area quite a bit more viable and what it is now it makes a better production connection to cross through i mean now instead of just having all asphalt here you actually have a you know green section of the end to make pedestrian connections across a little bit more approval is moving forward to this also distillery involved with that so we're pretty excited about that you know hopefully starting sometime in the spring and coming forward so so basically for the master plan not the other companies we're losing twenty spaces here in the master plan but if you go back to the bigger plan you can see where picking up the new streak where it comes down through the building we're picking up a number of guy gal spaces through here been out there that look at the road in the back you know had a row philly you know a small amount of traffic and currently there's no control here there's no stop signs or anything and you know the predominant movement is it is one way traffic that comes in and thinking well i'm ok with the stop sign here i'm a little leery about making this into a three way stop there's too many opportunities to cut the corner and i think that then you just you know adding a little more you know speed in to the fact and as we know there are so many regular out there will do about anything to avoid a stop sign or stop light and so i'm ok with a single stop sign i'm not  nothing shall install traffic control signs at the teen or section of here it's intentionally vague has to whatever a traffic control needs to be in place there i think a stop sign from the one way would make most sense as paul's explained so that brewpub and the hereford parking lot because it's closer than some of the other parking or if there's a lot of parking he has for other uses that we might see some of that is not a great way to put any sort of pedestrian safety in that area because there's all with a condition that says you know i should have become a problem with the need to come back to the board you know and you know and address the issue we just i just don't think it's going to be a problem at this point commissioners anything else they're commissioners thoughts questions has any questions or comments about this application now's the time i think the the stop sign coming out from behind the existing structure and to that i mean if that's going to be used more i think putting a stop sign there is not as it is appropriate and i'll see need to regulate the rest of it unless unless there it proves to be problematic going forward and again if that's that should be done anyways if there are issues and we would expect the land owner to be responsible and make it safe and i'm glad i was going to ask you about the about the outdoor area because if that's was open to people walking across the street we get an issue  that pedestrian traffic is not will not be encouraged at that spot and or she wanted the gate there was a fence real i just follow what this just ever jack says kate as requested by the fire chief and the applicant doesn't seem doesn't don't seem to have an issue with that here so what would you call that for road amendment masterplan amendment for people peter edelman doing business is your west partners your property located at twenty one and twenty five as its way in the mixed use development plan your development business design control over the district tax map ninety two in personal one twenty two hundred seven square foot drive thru restaurant and a forty six hundred eighty square foot retail building in a so the other site properties other say improvements on property look at it to suzy wilson road who  and can clarify some of the legal aspects of this but there's a lease lot on the southern portion of this site roughly enclosed by grey area drive through restaurant would be a coffee shop  to note now there is a four hundred foot easement or restriction restricted area as noted on the plot having trouble pulling up so this blue dotted line that goes across the lowe's property is the restricted area as one of easement applicants are working with kids and it's in benefit of the adjoining landowner to the west africans are working with that land owner to resolve the issue that basically would not allow this to go on the happen but it sounds like it's been more towards other things not on the property or that the point originally there is more of a bolt out on the curb and here we have the applicants align it so there's a straight shot into the site we could revert back to the original if that's a more favorable traffic condition and then the fire department was concerned about being able to access the drive through area because there is a canopy a ten foot high canopy that would not allow them to pass through as well as a clearance bar warning you before you enter the drive through the compromise with the applicants is that this clearance bar will allow for trucks to pass through with the i'm swinging bar showing where the actual height of pull up the site here we have an elevation of the the back side of that building what is going to look like from route to deem that this probably one of my major concerns is that you know it's a real gate way and i don't want to look i don't want people think to drive in and look at the back of a building  someone in there bear with me someone in there you know made a comment that they're going to build an attractive building so somebody's got it so that it's in these these guys  prove that it is attractive i mean there's a lot a lot of use the what i may feel is attractive and what you feel is attractive but this is a real gateway into their the both the town and the village and look at the back side of a bunch of commercial buildings just doesn't cut it i'd rather see it even turn the other way so that the back side faces the lows and the bank yet so this is landscape is big enough to hide it here's me anyway that's my initial thoughts i think it's going to be good use of the corner everything else but i really concerned about how it's going to sit on there get in the report but do we know what's the current level of service at the it's easy wilson fifteen intersection versus what it would be expected to be before all the improvements are made but with this development we have that it's in the tr family developed the original shopping center way back when i became involved when it was a names and fashion bug and some other miscellaneous stores and i sort of follow this through and when we brought lowe's in  it was part sort of enliven in live in a site that was otherwise sort of on its way to the doldrums and and the stores done well and i think it's been a good neighbor i'm finally sort of found the opportunity we've done a lot of work with staff who's done a terrific job just guiding us through traffic issues and access issues and so on and so forth and i think we've been at it for a couple years now but we've come up with i think is really thoughtful  not over improve but it it adds some uses and some vitality to this part of the site that we've been looking forward to doing for some time and i the architects will can address the building just as well probably better than i can but i will tell you that i think when this is landscaped and when it's sort of finished i think it's we carry the full material package through it around the building so it's not i think that that image gives it this look of sort of like the the the split locks in the back in the good stuff in the front that's that's not the case so the material paxman followed quite a bit with landscaping i think it would look much nicer the intent is i think this would be a vibrant area where people drive up and get their coffee and off they'll go or they'll hang out in the couches and chairs and free wife and so on and so forth so happy to talk about what we might do to to look at how that building ought to look or can look when landscapes but i want to leave some time obviously and not take too much follow up on ed's point of view and recognizing that that continuing some of the accent work it's still in from roof fifteen which is good to see a lot of traffic the majority of the traffic it's a big gray wall at least with a color scheme there so building from the landscaping standpoint we have proposed landscaping all along the back of the building which you know we're looking at the architectural plans you're looking at or you know that the building itself the wall of the building so if you see bush food service places have some kind of you know dumpster some whatever to call their trash where is that going to be located on this site concerns but we can move we have to we have some limits as to what we can work with so my memory with loads is that you know the talked about signage because i think they were looking for a waiver on the size of the lettering maybe the landscaping i want to get to lighting before we're done because i think that's still a big concern but landscaping layout so forth what's your billing orientation landscaping i'm glad to see that they the dumpster stuff is not as you called out it's not just sitting out there you know exposed to you were fifteen and so forth that is still within the appropriate area what else do we have in this bucket about this week's traffic relinquish to the traffic that kept up because you know sometimes these hollers trash dollars are very gentle with them and they break the gates and stuff in so we have it  ugly you know we have a you know it's like a architectural wasteland around here with a lot of stuff that gets built and i don't want to see trying not to see that happen and so you know this is a key spot you know we we built some other while we don't have a lot of playful i think in terms of whether it's through coloring through materials i think that wall can be first and foremost i think if it is landscape correctly  model that is a pretty successful model cross the country and we're we're falling in line with sort of what they would like but we have the ability to push and prod as well they they don't want to trash i don't want to trash i want to scream going to it's at the front door to the wood that we end up using will sort of tie into the building so that it has an architectural look to it and and we want to be proud of this too so i get it i don't disagree with it one bit i think that the configuration thoughtful configuration so that we don't have the one nine hundred seventy s parking in front building and back kind of thing going on but i i would tell you that when we do address sort of how is this site lit is an ambience does it does it you know it's not going up into the sky but it sort of has that soft glow to it i think a lot of these issues are when done and presented right will be first class as you like  relocated to that sign of parking lot it's technically part of lowe's there's a lot of open space that's part of the job of this property here but there's adequate storage for snow in that location as well the back room where exactly right between ok so these ones along the side of the building the south side of the building right there here so they're like this is the anthony  so here's where we get to go back to the showing with the campy you can go back to the campy if we go back to ring of next comments also we've got five point four light rate there and this is where the screening becomes extremely important because that means is completely visible from route fifteen if it's not if it's not shielded if it's not if it's not you know whatever and we've run into this before even though the  lights build drops to point one and so forth and ground those lights if they're at all visible are still the beacon drive a binder of fifteen so again we're getting into the design of the backside of the building and so forth unless i'm personally less concerned with the entrance i mean six is you know we talk about a limit of seven so the six is within that so there's nothing really to say about that and the rest of it looks pretty reasonable circles and that's closer that's in the direction so again why do we have a peak there whole lot less of those are going to stand out we haven't had a good lighting discussion in a while so sorry but may you rest in peace lading is is always been a limited except to talk about i know i i know i know but anyways i'm not i'm i'm not in favor of seeing the bright points i'd like to see more uniformity across we've got it almost everywhere else you know across the parking lot if you know what use on display there w uniformity except we've got a couple of really bright spots and those are going to be potentially visible from says he wants a new fifty so that gives me concern if you want to point out that in the staff report i have said the maximum would be nine point five i looking at the plans that i originally got and the revised ones i think that could change from one to the other so not seeing the nine point five anymore but sevens are obviously still there gas station candies the ones that have the light down on the exposed you can see them forever the ones that are up to their fully recessed you can't see the ball you have the effect of the light and it much more contained and i ask because i think that we're far really what i think of the one of the driving things we're trying to prevent his being will seal a source look at price chopper in the downcast lights they've got there they're shielded so you can't see the light source you see the light but you can see the light source in if that's the case then i have no real concern about that i'm really just worried about the drive by and having a light bulb invisible all the time that's a different that's a different conversation and the drive through windows even drives have been visible from one side only and they've had a they've had a shield over them and they've been directed down and thinking like the golf course that we that we approved a few years ago there the bollards are not an open and open light source even though the light source itself is not on display the actual light effect is i think i understand that and you know  my my my my sort of defense if you will is that up and up in there as you point out like your book has the weight down on to these two arms and then by  lantern like that and and hold it up go the other side and hold let you see the light it may be casting down but it doesn't it's not limited you know the visit the did go to c v s i mean the indoor lights are are there but you can still see him and he doesn't go  if if they're completely shielded from both of those roads so there have been visibility that's possibly a different story but well that going to how high are they you know three times for again i'm more looking at this from from from seeing it from the roads and so forth and that's where i'm looking at i'm less concerned about the light you know for the person driving by in that in the parking lot that i am about the person driving by you know on the so then there's no question there's no there's no cha bank or him walkways and there is a you know significant pedestrian traffic all the time also and given that this is remark you're going to need lights in in a couple weeks you're going to need him for brazing glee all day don't one hundred percent support the concept that you can't find a bollard that works because we've had a lot of applications come through we've had a lot of dollars that do work so you know i think we can i would be willing to support a condition that that allows staff to make that judgment but i would like it to be from my own point of view i'd like it to be you know seven or under and not not have to negotiate whether or not there's a bush in front of it or not because that i think eliminates you guys have to be quite so concerned about is that bush thick enough or whatever you think that this that the design of this building that we that we questioned is actually going to be a benefit because there won't be internal lights visible from route fifty right so i mean i think there's actually is a benefit from this layout good as we're trying to work through that so that i mean this is where we were back and forth on this so lighting i think we found that it seems like we've got some agreement on traffic do we have anything they want to discuss something i found the attachment that i was looking for about service staying the same so i am i am now convinced and content that we have to open a public hearing i not his words going to a big blank wall and certainly there are things that you can do architecturally to make that side of the building more interesting also i think you need to take into account what is  also is on fifteen as people are coming from the west to the east they're passing forty's and alan with all of the historic brick buildings and then you have the brick bank right there  architecturally between forty seven hours and the bank which is in very close proximity to it would make people happy so using brick and maybe enhancing  give it some interest and relying completely on landscaping to solve the problem i think is bear some relationship to the existing building that's there that is also one that people find pleasing would make a great deal of sense my comment about the lighting would be across the whole thing period just a just nothing more than seven there's an eight point seven on the mercial so i think if if if we just blanket say a seven is the upper limit and applique and use a come back as you know approval of staff if you can't come back with something that hits seven then you got to come back to us for additional review i mean and the stars lighting that's that really would be i think an easy easy and easy target consistent target for that one's thoughts ned tom judge well one question the commercial building it's oriented toward s standpoint very early on we looked at this project as being something that is a little more neighborhood oriented than say the lowest currently is so we are looking to put a smaller building with smaller tenants that really  starbucks so it was something that we tried to have a presence of most of the street style development as opposed to a small building you know oriented towards a parking lot it's really meant to be something much more  i would think that even though it's not within our purview to foresee here i would think the recommendation to any of those large walls on both buildings could be designed with elements  it's not ever it's not a purview of ours but i think as far as being well accepted into the neighborhood in the community it would be who've us to ask you to to you know try to design that the staff additional thoughts comments based on the discussions we've had so far traffic we're good with public works it sounds like anybody have any concerns about that lading i think we request or require a consistent standard across the across the whole development building design as recommended other thoughts the things that we've missed being serious on that and i know we're talking president so forth but mcdonald's is not before us so i'd like to keep it to this application and the only the only the only lighting that's that we're the only signage that we would be concerned with is if it's internal and with that a valid statement from so that would be one of our conditions that if if the signage is internally let it needs to know you guys everything that we have uncovered that you want to bring to us or been here thoughts that we haven't touched on or that you're not that you'd like us to reevaluate or anything anybody from the audience one room one less round then i would ask a motion to close the public so moved can move but choose seconded by josh of those in favor i opposed the motion carries five some not really finding a lot to contest with this to be honest i mean i think we've we've some simple points and you guys all help chime in here but i'm really hearing that you know the lighting getting uniform lighting that meets our standards is is a must across the across the across the whole application in closing the trash and maintaining those enclosures not just maintaining the trash bins but actually maintaining the enclosures and the signage were agreement and actually with the lighting plan we would agree we would support staff you know use letting staff approve the lighting for a design that meets the requirements i think they've heard that we don't want to i personally don't want it to be a thing above seven and i think it's not above seven we don't have a whole lot to say about it i do respect that it's so i think staff knows this and i think staff can can can can rule on this and if i think that i feel that's more of an administrative follow up if we set the foods at that level  think again we would leave that within seconds we have a sign ordinance or sign requirements and as long as it is within that we don't need to see it so this would be direction for staff is if if internally  is proposed it has to come back to us and i think that would be that would be normal anyways is not correct i mean yes so we can leave that in our finding we don't need a stipulation for that i think with the exception of the waiting everything else is the lighting and the trashing closures of the stanley stipulations that we've looked at and everything else is within our find concerns with that so we want to take a whack of that  is so the westerly direction then yeah so i just think i would absolutely have sensitivity to the building design for those sides that are both on both buildings that are you know larger scale and what was the phrase you use the backs use a backside of a boat so for that the back of house portions of the buildings have be reconstructed with sensitivity to other areas and in architectural interest i like those words and the side fac visible either from roof fifteen or from the low the westerly x disclosure motion so ned you want to ok we have motion by tom seconded by shooting and you get additional discussion sit next to me is no better usually see me we have a motion we've tweaked it sharon you know we're looking for you guys to sort of wordsmith it a little bit before the final presentation anything else not just up those but they do have to truck you know carry it around so no i don't really want i don't need anything ok so let's let's just a comment ok ah i will call the boat all those in favor i would like a sort of a standard approach if we can call a standard approach on these nights excuse me number one for commissioners and or staff to bring up questions they may have had that came up based on the last one new questions on the last weeks of the last the last the sometimes you think about something after you walk away this is a time to bring those up staff and get them to the consultant so we can not go back and forth here secondly i'd like to review what the anything that might have come back or at least as you know if if stuff did come back in the consultant we may not get into it tonight or that at this meeting but at least staff can let us know that yes we got some reminder i'm sure you guys are better at than i am but i'm i'm with everything else going on i don't always remember to look at stuff you know ahead and if we have this reminder that the next meeting we're going to be talking about x section y then we can be looking at that even ahead of staff telling us the friday before that that that we're talking about helpful and then oh i know the other piece was was just in general an opportunity to adjust the process do we feel we need another meeting do we feel we want to change the way we're doing this do we feel that we want to have a work session on something so i want to use this this period in our application meetings to sort of stage or react to stuff from the planning was my idea of being at the planning meeting safe pretty well focus on what's on the agenda and if we need to dig into something that we set up a separate meeting you know if we've if we fail we want to follow up and take something that we really want to dig into it more or less set up a separate work session for it unless staff feels that we are going to have a lot of time because the next two sections are going to be easier minimal or whatever but that's where we use this this time to sort of map that out i really want to i want to try to stay on focus around within scope of the planning meetings because i think we owe it to staff to number one recognize the effort they're putting in and for ourselves we think we've got to keep our eyes on what we're trying to get so if we wander too much on i'm sure down the line in an action well there's they're going to be you know a little more more involved than what you know we may need to you know do whatever we have to do to do that we can keep the parking lot list going and if necessary a schedule extra meeting i think that that's kind of what we i mean we get this going in if there's something that we really feel we need to get into and we don't want to wait you know if we've got the band with and i'm not i know staff is is is busy a lot but i think it's also us do we have the bandwidth to to dig into something maybe we don't this month maybe we do next month and let said ok we are by our bike rack is getting big so let's set up a work session to to knock off a few of those bullet items and we do a separate work session for i think that's where we use this time to sort of set that man that i mean is everybody is that some reason i mean  i i hate to say but i don't know i don't want to use our planning meetings i don't want to get out of scope on that because we won't and we do have a plan i mean i think it whether it's aggressive or not aggressive we have a plan for those planning meetings and we're going to be effective we're going to be more effective if we structure of the published kegel and we can bring it up i mean we get to the planning meetings if we've got time if it takes us you know an hour to go through the stuff let's pull out the bike ride very well i didn't want to put it on the payback if you guys were comfortable with what it is that the bike reacted probably be set up a little differently there's a lot of questions here we should just keep wine items question is one i was raised and another one i do when we've closed it i almost gave instead of instead of just having open you know got to have it have something to keep track of so that we know we don't want to get to the end  really that was meaningful then but it's not now and i think that's a format structure and that's that's something we can easily layer in and out there and do something with that actually in the interest of clothes and something out actually the question should include sandhill jericho intersection i know i was one of the advocates for that with respect to the historic district and i realize that the concept of the gateway doesn't require the historic district boundary brought there so that that can be dropped unless anyone else is still on that but i i could see it the gateway the signage everything whereas the historic district boundary can still be back to where it is on the map and  brought up the issue of what if we extend the sandhill but i really wanted the concept of the entry point and gate way to be at that intersection but that doesn't mean zoning needs to be done here saying just the sand hill road what about that what about the jericho river we're talking about the we narrow the scope of that discussion yes i'm thank you i do i think what we're talking about out there was also point out that we've shared that link to the online interactive map where you can actually look at some of that information it's not fully that we should probably have like a next steps you know what's the next thing that hopefully i mean from my point of view we're not trying to layer on extra work we're trying to trying to keep the scope of the planning meetings focused and not lose sight of those other items that we want to dig into more or differently anything else on that ok let me get this i see this process being able to evolve every time if we need to just let it