long and then we'll transition into the regular city council meeting where i know there's items that everybody here is interested in just a quick reminder we do keep a sign up sheet in the back and really appreciate everybody taking a second either on your way in or a way out to sign on to that for us so we have a record of everybody within it there's also an agenda back there in case you're curious about what's on tonight's agenda so you can see all of pace out so we're first going to call the order the liquor control board meeting and i asked everybody please rise  just again we have a couple new members in the past for these reviews and what we've done is asked after bring forward any issues outstanding issues and report on whether there's been any licensing compromises of any kind and whether or not we've gotten things like noise complaints out of the units or if there's been the need for special attention from either fire folks in the back or code compliance and fauresmith tax payments or police interaction that's abnormal so we tend to move through those then with the sort of we look at open it up see if there's anything from feedback from staff and sometimes take the whole slates together so you might see that from a motion perspective but just going back to whe wall green also known as walgreens and that's at three twenty one main street and the issues report from staff great any questions or concerns from the group control board any questions or concerns from the public oak forty five so we have anybody here who did brick welcome well i think if you'd like maybe to save if it's up on you too much on the spot or if it's also have smaller projects like a wall mounted bottle openers or quote signs along those lines just various craft right projects rotating craft projects and we'll start holding classes and until we get the full liquor license and then we'll we'll we'll have like a regular schedule where you can have appointments but also have open craft time  come in and you know just have a drink if you want to and coloring book whatever you want to work on on the agenda or not this is an opportunity for you to talk about anything you like with council hopefully city like new public comment for  authority first up i think let's pull out the council meeting minutes of march fifth and march twelfth and take those as two separate items that will go down and then we'll come ok so first up by their chain will consider the city council minutes from march fifth of which there are three members present night to hear what our public safety personnel are concerned about what their issues are in advance of the new government being stood up the first meeting of the new board of directors is wednesday morning so that's really the new government that's being federal tax legislation it is if passed and approved unfunded an opportunity for investors to invest in these opportunities on census tracks and get some tax benefits through the federal government so when you working with the planning commission to stand up a public arts taskforce so this isn't a convenient group but as a group of people who has come forward and expressed interest in how we focus on public arts how we implement the economic development strategic plan aspects around public arts what we do with of the small pot of money we have set aside for public art and how we address public are in the media school master plan so the planning commission will be taking that up on thursday  event and then of course registration is open for our summer thrive program and our after school day camp program as well i want to let you know that the treasurer is working on a pilot program to invest r c i p reserve dollars so we met with him the public works finance myself met with him last week to talk about what dollars are available because the that could be changing quite significantly based on conversations later on program committee which we'll hear more about later on the agenda i was snowed out last week and the meeting was rescheduled to this thursday so anyone tracking that airport committee meeting is this thursday at the airport i'm think since i think three holdovers last week in paul did a great orientation for them to get the ball rolling with that group are really excited about their capacity and their ability to work that i think it's going to be a really productive group got some of their stuff that blends in with these other issues so i'll stop there so there was a public safety commission meeting last week unfortunately i wasn't able to make it so that going into work back next council meeting all of touch base with ch the election of deputy mayor so that mission this in orientation has historically been the longest serving member of council and for if there was a few people who came on to the same time the person who received the most votes that's not built into the charter it's it's always the way things have been done so we've described to that thus far and have not deviate from that for the last couple councils and did not in the last three years that i s that and move from there but this is enough for council they have a conversation about that if anybody has concerns about that methodology or any concerns about the course capacity to serve go you the event has previously required closure of a new ski falls away every sunday but this year the downtown organization proposes to hold the event on the city on property in front of the share play mail that is how the farmer's market has been done in the past i believe it was a couple years ago that it was done like that there are a couple of different reasons that they've requested this one is they feel that the big open space actually makes it feel less vibrant and having a smaller closed space and also more importantly  sometimes it was a burden on people who take public transportation to have the buses rerouted every week so we did receive some complaints about that so i think actually this will be an improvement the proposal includes a request to close breakdown will be completed by downtime when is key staff don't come in as he will communicate with the downtown association to verify the use of the bus stop bathrooms is permissible again this year and your brain community center will no longer provide meals storage for the free meals program at th yes and i don't think i have anyone from the police department present so i will present myself here we've received the event herman application very i have when you see police departments public safety day and that we review the application of the february twenty first event review meeting this is an event we've had for several years i don't know how many years it is exactly it involves closure when you get files away for the police department to host the community and public safety partner organizations to grow hot dogs and hamburgers provided inflatable bouncy houses for children and basically allow people community to get to know public safety officials in an environment that is not an emergency staff discussed the fact that the event date will coincide with the proposed date of the when used with a classic and that's proposed to be how the castle ban meadow but we decided that the two events actually could be mutually reinforcing and the foot traffic between the two could mutually benefit those so no conditions were required by staff and we recommend mark getting fat right and so just a little further kind of framing for the presentation will markets the technology play to go ready for a low tech if need be mark going to walk through sort of the results of that flamini engineering report kind of talk a pretty high level about what could put together and then i will talk a little bit about the operational budget which we certainly have a lot of feedback from our crowd which includes some pieces that we had it in here as city stuff and then i think from there we'll discuss what i think everybody's curious came we were really you know as i think really likes to use bubble gum in this together each year and we had small feats of engineering miracles pulled by staff to keep things going you know a big part of pools for example the filtration system we have a really old filtration system there that they didn't sell pieces and parts to anymore right so it got to the point where it was determined that the pool was not functional and wasn't safe for us to what the city engages wes and sampson back in november and the goal of this study in plymouth engineering analysis was to understand the actual costs that are going to be needed to build a facility and to also understand the unknown items out there such as geo technical information has us now says mission research permits and you know to understand deeper in what the city wanted to see in a facility throughout the last three months we've compiled that into this report that you guys have we've also developed graphics of what the future of syllabi would look in we tried to incorporate you know every need that the city has present and future just to kind of give an overview of what the facility would look like a future facility would look like it would be a two pool facility you have a l shaped pool that has a lap section in a deeper water section not necessarily for diving but the other point was at one point but not the enough by today's standards to safely dive so the new pool would would still house in arena for competition swimming that was one of the large items that we that the community wanted to see but we also have a second pool and this pool would be more of a family  robotics order robotics teaching in a safer environment as opposed to the competition pool that has depths from four to eight feet the pool also have a large flood it will be the kind of the center fold of the whole attraction it will also have spray features which are interactive features that kids can play with the building itself in review you know when we first developed the concept back in august two thousand and sixteen we initially put a price tag of around four point four million for this project one of the first items that came up in the meeting was the desire to bring that price tag down and it's obviously necessary in a community so we looked at we step back a little bit until to look at the building the original four point four included a brand new building demo everything on the say and everything new when looking at the building the building does have a lot of character in it with the rough tender roof framing so you know after analysis we really didn't see it was necessary to have to put on this whole building it was to ton of renovate the storage in the concession portion an add on the fill to building a filter portion of the building in a community room on one of the big items for the community room is you know the available space for rental and it's a revenue generator for the city so the proposed plan now is to raise the building roof to foot to foot and a half  pine street we will have a little turn off that will come into the property the turn off will allow cars to kind of get off of the travel path drop off kids and will also serve as a couple spots for handicapped  parking this way people in wheelchairs do not have to cross the street and go up the parking lot that's not it's little bit steeper than two percent in our findings unlike most facilities the the ground conditions were more favorable than others we've seen in vermont we found that the material is the run of gravity material and then it gets down to the water table it's around eight feet and it gets into more of a clear material so as far as ground conditions we were able to punch out the the likelihood of needing piles or any sort of advance foundation  us to do that work in to do the hazardous analysis we are still waiting on those test results because we had to go through further chains of approval to get that but it was worth it to save the amount of money that they had given us for the grant  and we also kind of that we put together this plan he said so thirty two page pick lancet and the goal was also to get exact numbers hard numbers of what we are this project lies now this isn't the budget that's that's in here today there are items now that we can see we can value engineer down to get it to a lower number and we also but as if this project were to be bid today that's roughly what the product price that would be fifty years that's not going to require a large amount of maintenance in year ten or fifteen so obviously there will be meat in some volved but we're trying to build the most durable building that's going to be sustainable for the community to ma it quickly before we jump to the budgetary implications or there are questions about process or about design to date again i think we've seen a lot of these designs through conversations here at this table but are there any things that are numbers the numbers that you're looking at today are in two thousand and two numbers so we would just have to do an analysis overspread she you know to kind of run that what it would cost and the systems that can you know shut it off after a certain time on in also that the exterior of the building will be will be lighted for security to prevent people from going in and room as well as a public bathroom facility that's going to be on the pine street side of the building will have access to the injured park side of the park so we'll be able to get to that room both from the pool deck and from the public  and here's a here's sort of a view from from the south looking towards what the pool would look like so if we can jump to the next slide this is sort of the summary slide of the construction  costs again of the council pocket there is a much more detailed version of this that has you know each kind of portion of the construction broken out but i wanted to just kind of flash this here so folks would have a sense of what's some of the various pieces would look like here  happy to answer any specific questions about different pieces of thought something that would be helpful but again just wanted to sort of put that summary number up again because this is the price tag to build the thing and then we'll talk in a minute about what what pieces do you see as sort of on the same you terms on scaling back the price tag project sure i mean i think the the first in the easiest one to skim off would be the slide i think that's certainly an item that could be scaled in or out pretty pretty simply then from there i think you start looking at the possibility of the community room as a as a piece of that building that could come down and then i think even more dramatic fashion one pool versus two pools is certainly part of that as well again i think in response to what we heard from the community having more options for more people that used up or in particular from the eighty excess ability perspective that was a really big piece that came out so that's why we've looked at this model i don't think our former facility was serving that need particularly while for particularly younger kids or folks with mobility issues but you know i think that would be sort of the third tier of you know if an a for to be wheeled into the budget how that might know there's the what we thought of all this going into this process is is this is you know a great facility here and if we can afford it let's go with it but if we do need to scale back the item such as retention is this is a smaller slide possibly you know removing of the shade structure it's you know each each one of these items can add up to you know just those two items scaling it down bit is one hundred thousand you know in this current budget that's that's represented up there is the contingency of finding hazardous materials at a worst case scenario so we pull that out that's one hundred thousand dollars there and we can we look to you know some of the finishes maybe we don't need tiles were in there maybe we look to you know poxy resin floor those types of items that we can look at in kind of trim this down to say we're going to cut six hundred thousand out of the budget is a little i would agree with that but that if we were to do that it would have to be you know we have to face things but to get the entire facility which i can see is cutting out two to three hundred thousand i mean i guess just my response to this is what the community wants i think the community also want a pool and so if the choice is to pools or no pool you mean i think i want to leave room for an interactive conversation just wanted to check in around with these designs i don't want that we should invest in another round of design work or you know what about this work allows us to have some flexibility in terms of ongoing discussions with the community about the cost of the project and and what folks really value most i did in terms of how much of the engineering work today would be usable in the event that we were to go that route i would i would defer to my left here they're not engineers myself every everything that we've done today can be incorporated in design it's just simply pulling things out at this point so there's this this is kind of the road map to understand what we need to cut out  state fire building permit the the thought process and him reasoning it the foot to two feet is when you go in there it's that the ceiling is a lower and it gives you more of a confined feeling than doing it the thought is to raise it will make it feel more open and will allow more natural light to come in because we're going to put glazing around that that this and that and opened up to go up any higher we did see it was necessary because we've got a really high ceilings in the area and  pads to all kinds of really cool stuff yeah they were climbing walls they were all over the place in terms of options and opportunities that those we obviously would love to incorporate those but in the background we've kind of still have the infrastructure for there if you want to climbing while we're putting bonding logs on the back of the the gutter to be able to accept that a leader time simple things like that going through the process back in two thousand the summer of two thousand and sixteen we did the the dot exercise to understand what the public really wanted we had a great showing there's almost three hundred people that came up and gave their input that helped us narrow the path of what we're at today  and another like simple example to bookmark was really creative with concrete dock there and actually cutting that back i think that serves two functions one is it cools down the outdoor space but also let's talk read the last costs i think those are another another so the operating cost which will get a little bit more into detail which may answer some of your questions i think the big operating cost that would be changed if we changed the design certainly if we had one pool versus two that's one pump and filter system versus t so electrical costs chemical costs water all come down the other piece especially with the slide if that goes away staffing so this is a more complicated aquatics facility than what we've had and it's going to require some additional lifeguards on the back because of the two pools so i think again you'd see that scaled down accordingly and again i think as we get into the operational budget a little bit more that might it might be clearer some of those pieces could move on make sure that back arou over twenty years but that would have been a pretty obnoxious slide to put up here so we stuck to the first five if you are interested in more numbers that is available on our website that full that full twenty year operating  d capital and debt service expenditure i think a couple assumptions that we made here that i want to make sure to point out number one is on the revenue side up top so space rental is for rentals of the community room we get a little hard to speculate on a space that we've never had so what we did was modeled off of our community room at the appliance center because this is a very unique facility that's related to the pool i suspect there will be a lot more interest in it that our community room so feel like this is a pretty conservative estimate but we base it off sort of the best kind of peer facility that we have and then mark and i spent quite a bit of time last week talking about this in terms of the pool fees that's really low that number is based on our historical model here when the pool was open most recently we suspect that both user ship and price points would have would go necessarily in a facility but i didn't want to be trying to speculate bought and i also felt like i didn't want to be artificially deflating an operating budget on numbers again that we didn't twenty seven people per day for sixty days at three dollars a person so it's this it's low a similar community waterville maine seven thousand residen seen average income the only thing they don't have is the surrounding communities because they're not you know basically based off of a college there are their average revenue in they have a similar type of program they have a pool and the only difference is they have a separate slide pool with two sides the same similar side their facility was built in ninety nine so they're at the point now where they're looking to upgrade and  capital upgrades so it's not a brand new person facility their operating revenue i mean their operating costs were eighty one thousand dollars in two thousand and fifteen and they generated seventy six thousand dollars in revenue so they had offset by four thousand in two thousand and fifteen when a ski had a revenue of around twenty two twenty three twenty three hundred bucks an operating but again i think just one conductor was out to say you know those numbers are probably not where they would be but i think wanted to play the revenue side especially very conservatively as we talked here time salary benefits to the point of the gentleman the crowd here we did inflate the number of lifeguards mark i talked about sort of average number of needed on duty being between three and five we worked with our h r staff here in our accountant to model stuff of seven so that that would give us some opportunities to provide coverage not have people during overtime and sort of a lot of dovetailing stuff so that's what those numbers are there that salary fringe for those seven lifeguards we were bridging or estimating on a salary of fifteen dollars an hour mark and for me that some of the high end resorts in las vegas are paying fourteen so that may be a little bit again conservative but i think in the interest of models here  t to play that and not does i think trend with our crude instep system within the city one other comment on the staffing pieces and that meant mentioned in the memo so we had contracted our operational while and that was paid out you know through a contract with the y in they managed stock like ours so certainly would be open to the op if if we do get to that point in this conversation but for sake of being able to kind of tie back to some solid numbers we lap with the stock being city stuff and what that would cost professional services that is largely made up of custodial so we did want to add some custodial especially if we see increases or shift as you move down the spreadsheet that gets into the debt service so it's assuming that if we were to finance the entire cost of construction cost this is what the annual debt service would look like over so that's sort of the picture again assuming full financing of the model that's pictured here and again presenting not knowing full well that that is not likely the picture that will come out the other end of the conversation but again i want  model it off the real numbers that we had in the past and how many lanterns were so let's see in the last year we were a believe that thirty two thousand for the summer and i would look to just say for how many guards you had on at mye earlier question coal the heating piece is definitely a scalable item as well but that's kind of for us to me in the interest of being conservative with those estimates we stuck to the traditional operating season both pools are heated yes  having higher end meets like now stores meats and stuff like that that require a certain level of temperature in the pool so it's not only extending your season but it's provided more of an asset to tr to the groups but it does functionally or at least provide some stability of predictability so yes if we have one of those wonderful jews religion is that we sometimes have in the amount of words fifty is it's since it's still potentially yeah yeah if you if you have a cold tune you're you can't say that the pool is cold put it that way so if i heard wright's previous full scenario was like sixty very new years operate hundred seventy five to three hundred at one time so we've got that we've got the number of visits it was off we also have the users because it was interesting to compare each other too because it's not like  so one of the one of the items that we're proposing can cost budget which is care carried in that three point nine million dollars budget is the use of a pool that would require a lot less meat and strut its entire life which isn't represented in this number so there's a cost increase the total pool pool project budget of two hundred thousand but that savings will save within the first ten years of those life but i think  the relative improvement of the facility compared to the relative increase and the expense i think we're getting a good value for that additional twenty thousand somewhat yeah and actually i just want to point out that it's not just the additional twenty thousand operation airport get as many of those details ironed out possible and now i think that really hard part about how to move forward we're not quite frankly with this project is this work out so you know as we sat with it and thought about it a way to sort of see the discussion really for years and different options to to proceed with one being we move ahead full steam full funding say we as we've talked about a little bit some sort of middle approach whereby either we're value engineering down or looking at alternative funding sources to help bring the total price tag down or we set it aside and i think it's just the added in the sort of it doesn't go bad language as you think is quite true this work isn't bad tomorrow so i think it's great work that's been done it's useful still in the future but if if there is an ultimate leah decision to move forward i think we keep this on the back burner and come back to it so versus info in august neither of those get us under construction this summer regardless we have about nine months about more of the final design construction document spitting out the process  contract except so even fast tracking it for an immediate bond doesn't get under construction this summer correct and what i did but i do want to caution this body against kicking that can too far down the road just from an execution and resource perspective because we're putting staff time into it we're putting energy into it and if there's enough information to start to call  have to have three months shut down just can't make it through the shift expression about spring to sue you could theoretically do a june special election as well just to be clear it's not may or august or november you could theoretically do it and i think your point if you do that usually get polarized sides versus a broader community k i'll open up now see if there's any comments thoughts and concerns from council and you know from a content perspective again  so there's a little bit of a balancing act there but you can certainly try to do something about it that  know i do want to put in perspective because it warrants an understanding because some some folks might look at what is the tax rate increase mean the summary tax rate increase proposed for this is probably five years worth of mean a small increases from a historical perspective if you through our last five years worth of municipal increases and that's what we would be looking for love increase your perspective you know for example you know this year we are interchangeable in design and in the end specifying what those potential cost and go towards because at some point we have to limber forward with a number and that number needs to create a pool and then i'll just add for this group you know and this is this is again this is just being one aside from participation and in our advocacy we need to work towards and then i mean i think it's relieving from a pressure standpoint to know that the the dates you know are set in stone from when things need to happen but i i think we should  put your next agenda item is a big agenda item it's went on and has much much more prescribed time frame requirement so i think you might want to hold congress hold the decision about when this comes back before you until recommit there same type of structure where it's seasonal you know you know seasonal pastorally pass individual seasonal pass people outside their tax base pay a higher fee  and they do have the seasonal you know the individual daily admission similar community rotman that's going to be opening this year their daily entry for a child is five dollars i think seven for an adult that's the season pass is try to remember it's forty five dollars for the season for resident and on the right one model so our  prices before as a comparison we're charging a dollar a day and like twenty five or thirty bucks i think for the season so they were really low and we didn't we we chose not to increase those because we want at the time making a lot of investments in the facility and it didn't feel right to be charging more for the same thing so again i think that's a conversation for down the road but i do think there's a feast structure conversation for us to have but we've got some good models to kind of build around those features in with with the monies that support staff from that all that way you wind with the pool you're not contingent upon fund raising for the execution of a pool self that maybe some of the features are subject to an unusual conversation to be had in a large project as their dinners like that there's always some engineering at the place until the last piece of something is put in so i think we've i feel like there's a lot of infor there to go with i'm not sure what other answers we're looking for i'm not going to move anything definitively but i mean i think i think there's a pretty concrete summary that's in those books and in those planes from what it looks like i mean you're right there could be a slow there could not be a slow i don't think people from understanding standpoint i don't think are going to hopefully make donations based off of that i think what would be interesting is to make sure we're communicating if it's just going in the general budget a shopping list to work from for some of the scalable and so you will make sure to be a touch they're going going through this process when we first started out november we actually really did not take anything away from from the police look at other things right in going forward on that what you're asking us today we probably would prioritize the items that the pool the slide the features that are actually going to truck people would be the last things you could out you know if you had a poxy floor versus tile floor one similar timing on this one from the cool project back again i took over in november we had conversations about some federal funding opportunities that were presenting themselves and some conflicts we were experiencing with the street and came to you and asked for authorization to move forward with a clearing engineering process for a complete main street revitalization project so what we're presenting to you tonight is the results of that work i'm so i'm go potential funding opportunities and options for moving forward one of the reasons this project is slightly different than the one you just heard about is one of the major implications are one of the major impetus is to move forward on this project quickly from the ball was funding available to us from the federal government there is an april thirteenth deadline for that grant application and as part of that grant application is required within these aren't necessary and inevitable capital projects the water lines and sewer lines under main street are over one hundred years old we're seeing development happen among main street as a result of the farm base code in the community visioning process that took place over the last five or six years as we go in and start touching those lines associate with element we are going to need to improve them and modernize them these are all play structures that you'll hear more about over time  this has the potential to be truly a transformational project to change how that mile of road as we enter the community looks to make it a place right now really functions as they pass through into our community fifteen hundred fifty thousand cards a day come through that they pass through from like me to another this project would really make it improve their protests or an orientation out the sidewalks make a new neighborhood maximize the development potential of that now is that we do have potentially these funding opportunities through both the federal government and the state government these are opportunities we believe are kind of a moment an opportunity a moment in time opportunity there is federal funding available now and we don't know if about bondo to taking on debt those rates are only going to increase as i mentioned a bond taking that step now does not obligate us to do anything but it does it is required by the funders to put together a funding package of what this could look like what the subsidy dollars coming into the city could look like and just as a reminder we have spent about over four hundred thousand dollars on the design to date which will be rolled into the future future capital funding for the project if we don't do anything with it over five years after five years we will have to start repaying that but we have a big window of time in which to phase work or do the whole in the town line it's if it's a four rod right of way so essentially sixty six feet or thirty three feet on either side of the the center of the road is within the public realm which is generous or allows for some additional opportunities to do things along the border today and one of the first steps is we got started towards the end of last year was it was to articulate a purpose the need for this project and both from a funding source requirement articulating these but also for outdated practices water sewer storm storm that will need to be upgraded some point they've got they've well extended beyond their life there they're meaningful life life span in terms of need for the project there's also the element this is this aligns well with planning approved you proved it to move forward funding for the design we had our internal take off in november and then a month later we're back here for our local concerns meeting and so that was gathering input basic input on the project what what would you like to see along the corridor or paul did a great job of really driving people to think outside the box and through everything out on the table we then moved into design of those those options and put together a couple of alternatives and in fairly short fashion back at the o'brien center in january fourth to present those alternatives and we boil down to really two different alternatives and it really enjoyed how bikes were accommodated on on main street so we came out of there after kind of facilitated discussion after the public meeting with the planning commission and public works commission with a preferred alternative which will show and so over the last month or so we've been refining that design and ultimately have gotten this into a polluting engineering report environmental report and a set of plans that may be in your packet but have been circulated to the various funding agencies to start their their review clocks and all of those documents are on the project website which i'll skip through this pretty quickly this is the three in particular three studies that have all kind of moved the needle on discussion of what happens on main street you could go back before this but you know starting twenty fourteen there is a main street corridor plan which really identified a that's really between the spring and the fountain and so the idea is that the block is somewhat set apart it's a distinct kind of node of activity and that's been reflected in the streetscape as it moves through that corridor and lastly this is this is the overall transportation master plan is also addressed or carry forward some of the same recommendations for main street very quickly on existing conditions we move through a fairly fairly quick assessment did full survey right of way and look at all of the manholes and catch basin grates so as as jesse mentioned over one hundred year old both water and sewer mains both undersized water the there is some service connections are deteriorated and  don't have the full ten foot separation between the water and sewer today which would not be allowed as as new construction we did in assessment having a sense that there's a there's kind of a number of yellow flags just in terms of land uses along the corridor that could lead to contaminated soil as we did do a full bore in program you may remember back in december there was quite a bit of traffic disruption as they were out drilling holes it bore fruit in and you can see here these are just a couple of the  es that were found there was in one stretch i think there was five lots in a row that at one point were a gas station and so there's a good bit of petroleum contamination underground there there's a dry cleaner and so forth so what this is good to know it helps us estimate for a cost estimating but it also presents an opportunity for some funding to come back in from the petroleum cleanup plan and so that's that's one of the pieces that was one of the drivers and also to know what we'd be getting to assert big and just as minor kudos to so we get to the proposed design this is one slice or one one cross section through to the extent that you can you can see here this we're looking kind of cut through and then and then bird's eye view we're keeping the two lanes one lane in each to one lane of parking which which kind of shifts from side to side as you move up we had there discussion about not favoring one side to not having parking all on the west the entire side and so what happens is the double yellow line kind of waves gradually along the lane so this is on the east side you can see the green in the bird's eye view the protected by plane for the uphill direction with a three foot space between the tri when cars and bike lane in the downhill direction it's a shared use lane so cyclists take advantage of gravity and move down the hill in in traffic if they so choose or there will be facilities on weaver to do as an alternative route on the downhill side these are just some precedent images to get at some of the look and feel that were driving this several of these are from seeing all bins main street which is generally a similar right of way similar context similar volumes and so forth so i think that type of look and feel as is what was driving a lot of the  and simile here this isn't the street furniture the bottom right is some of the urban storm water treatments as as now start to look to expand any bit of impervious area really need to look at some innovative ways to either infiltrate or to do some detention of the stormwater and so we've got a number  think fifteen of these treatment practices so urban rain gardens or some kind of detention along right in the grass strip along the side of the road this is just one snapshot this happens to be at spring street  section that's to the next exit to the north between sprinkler fountain which is that the retail store from district where we carry the brick pavers the entire space so basically all the way out to the curb line this would be to invite more activity more cafe space or use of that won't go into detail here this is the engine more engineering typical section a lot of stuff going on the ground including the overhead utilities electric and telecom this is a pretty there's a lot of things on those poles and so there are comedy through different up the highest number is the first column which is construction so construction cost the rows are becoming buckets but basically the funding sources that would be funding each of the components of the project and so you can see sanitary sewer drinking right of way acquisition and so forth so that gets you to the right hand column which is the total cost for each bucket and in the bottom right the twenty three point seven million in this case is would be the all in cost for all of the improvements kinds of funds so when we're talking about this over time it's important to think about the water waste water fund funding a portion of it the water finding a portion of the general fund funding do you have any slides that you can existing buildings that house current businesses that's the vision right so for part of the reason we're investing in this new streetscape is because we're imagining there's going to be form based code development going up main stre t but there's also a lot of existing businesses that me be i don't know their owner occupied if they have any interest in converting to a different form of  building and i'm just interesting to what extent the business is in that corner or particularly in the spring the a found that speaking in vision is the business district i can think of a few businesses that are there now that of made changes possible and can i just clarify that i'm actually i'm less interested in the developers interests and i'm more interested in the interests of small business owners that currently occupy those buildings and whether or not because i agree i think what will happen is the cost of rent will go up so i'm interested in as number of locally owned businesses that are there and to what extent they can see what in the interim you can most assuredly know that there wall i can promise you there will be a business that right now is just struggling we have to buy word that fifteen percent definition in business that they receive will cause them to decide about a business that's a what will be the impact on be a traffic in the quarter during construction yeah you know there's a several ways that it could be phased in constructed and you know that would be largely a conversation between the city and the contras like a contractor and how the kind of means and methods how do they close off a block entirely and you know pull the band aid off and get it all done or is it one way in each direction you know so that was something that would be i guess further refined later  business we're going to take a bigger hit for a short amount of time or you know minimal impact for a longer time those kinds of questions would be important to have a dialogue around we're also will be coming to you in a couple of probably not your next meeting the second meeting  conversations we've been having with p c is how we manage the regional traffic flow during that time and that may give us some information or some kind of piloting efforts on a regional level where we can redirect some traffic not just passing through a new ski to help with public transportation or other methods to ease traffic congestion during larger scale construction project you know i just you know is this a list that we could pick and choose from is it all or nothing or their top priorities in terms of  infrastructure investments or is it literally it doesn't make sense to do anything other than the four so we we will get into that a little bit more but to answer your question it is million in summary about eight million of this project is the water waste water storm water utility portion of the seven point two million is the sidewalks and streets caves and the eight million is underground in the teles that unto itself is a huge number and a number that was a very big question mark when we went into this project part of this effort in kind of stealing would you have the defense ready or is in conversations with the utilities there may be ways to share that cost or be innovative about how we recoup some of those dollars but the utilities are hesitant to engage in that negotiation with us and till they know there's a real project here so just total cost for other funding sources against this total cost is a is we we need the kind of community go ahead to do this project to understand what those other subsidies may look like and by community go ahead we're going to talk about next that's correct and what something just it was mentioning those it's it's a little it's difficult to project this size to get to a final number especially at this point in the game with so much in flux in terms of funding  the project schedule we have here is have broken down into two sections the top sort of piece above the project construction phases the administrative tasks to make a project then trying to pile on some additional general fund type applications be transferred and we would start getting into you know putting together a funding package that we would come back to the council with basically so it's just a mention that bonzo things up the door to kind of get to see the table where the those funders will put together a package for us u s d a d c welcome back to us and say ok here's one package we think is both your project and we would do that internally put together sort of a funding package to execute that project along that three month period we would also be talking to telecom and private chile folks who are who could also clarify some of those costs for us so what we're projecting is  and you know actually going out to the public for that and then we get into your construction phase the sort of work if if all that was approved so now you're getting into a more typical project project so next year that will likely change and they're going to start looking at twenty fifteen data and that percentage will straighten like for us the other option is their funding sources we're looking at drinking water see below revolving one fund that has the potentially negative three percent interest rate so that would affect would be effectively act as a subsidy and that would probably that would likely be our potential source for water finds funding for a project along the same mine sewer find we have a clean water super bowl with cement for general fund which revolving loan fund that would be you know using your crystal ball of what the funding package may come back to assess this would probably be our best option right now this would give us and eight hundred  reserve fund or you know look to additional grant funding and specifically have a strong oversight we probably have some options there and then finally to the general fund development for the revenue growth from tensional property tax from developing that corridor where you know we've done some really projections with with paul and and our county folks and we are looking at you know very conservative numbers sixty k maybe in the first year of revenue growth to potentially three hundred forty thousand you know that huge impact on the project construction i'm sure you know if the funding package comes back there's ways we could try to talor it toward grants so most of the so you know and it's you if if they are funding package came back and we just wanted to kind of push the pause button we still have all of the community engineer that you know look at opportunities down the road that's been articulated over many many years would really maximize that development potential of main street grow the brand last associated with the city in the way that the community community envisioned of attention take advantage of these federal dollars that we may not be available pass this year to do those that inevitable infrastructure improvements that we know are coming at some point in the not too distant future take advantage of the two thousand  tax or other revenue streams this is as john said worst case scenario with what we know is currently out there available but we do have the ability to and i appreciate that the difficulty  present back to you for the next meeting is some of the such some modeling assumptions of if we implemented these things if we got these the this range of funding what that could look like over time it would be assumptions before any commitment but we could put together a couple of those scenarios really grand less than how but i think the argument is making these all laid out earlier and making these changes allows for the development of the poor which in turn grows are grim less and i remember during the most recent two to six thousand that's based on modeling that paul and angela and then are assessor put together of what the development we've already seen on main street the square five frontage of that development one percent of the lot was developed in the incremental increase we saw and then applying that to the parcels we know could be under consideration in the next three twenty years it's a model that is not something we're going to commit future and the downtown and it didn't arrive during an economic downturn the difference in the the methodology in which it was paid for resulting in a safety net here i think you have to be very comfortable with the fact that you're asking the taxpayers to build this debt capacity into the tax rate and that is that is just what it is like in those arguments about the direct to do it my my i'm from a value perspective of information to make the decision that's needed there we do have four weeks between now and france a minute so there is time there for us to get a different digital information but more problems together have a national conversation about different public reach process it's quick and i think the other thing is that is the group getting comfortable with the idea that you're really you're having to that the hardest part of this funnel goes not only is the amount of money in the scale of the project but it's ceding the authority of do we do this project or we do not do this project to the council if the community hypothetically votes to approve this there could be the council deciding to put forth a bond flow with a set of value criteria to say to the community this is what we're willing to hold you know this is what we're willing to take on pending seeing a full financial package you know we will take this seriously that you are ceding this authority to us here on the values with which we will judge the funding packages that come before us in the future to give the voters some sense of what this could mean for them if they give you this is already about four and that makes sense so you could say for example that's your call making this up you could say we want to see if we can put  there oh oh this is a winner process do you mind letting us know how so those are great questions the cleanest way to do it from the funders perspective is to have the two projects separate and there is probably a way we could craft language if that is so if the will of the council was to move them forward in parallel there is likely we're we could craft language with bond council to have them together but clear fied in that in that language what part is for what project they could both go on individually at the same special  with and communicating to the public that that would all be one and not the other would be challenging but we also feel like that is to a certain extent the policy called of the council move that forward do they line up are these projects you know are these projects that we're prepared as a community to both move forward at the same time do we do that non elections both are approved they both fall into the same two thousand and nineteen us for bond issuance process hundred percent right so you can authorize the bond of in the later day if the news unfold in the way that made the funding of it challenging you could potentially do that that's put in units that are more reserved the right point and also lowers the cost of development which theoretically given the other things we inform based code like increasing unit number potential cetera would again offer some opportunity for ground approach where if we decide is a complete to move forward in either whole wholesale or phased approach impact fees can't test for identify projects so there may be somewhere in the middle where we say we implement some type of impact fee that we passed a big portion of those costs a lot to the developers but not the whole other question comes concerns were requests for information to help us make a decision next time good questions comments concerns from the public decided not to do because there haven't really been an opportunity for this council to look at the things that we've done the pathway to the airport and have an opportunity to formally put any additional direction that this body thinks should be taken around the issue did not come here tonight looking for some kind of driving definitive answer for me in terms of resolutions and things from past councils to hold up as this is the last thing we did with the issue this is certainly heightened by the fact that you've got a little on the other side of the river that was very specific to to the f thirty five issue and we have your request again from the public for the city to take some kind of formal position on that in addition to that there are point out that much of the work that we target ourselves towards in the broad political side of things because i think that's more of what's coming at us now in terms of requests to make a political statement and i smell a sense is at the end of october that we're giving them  just want to open this issue up and put these documents in front of you and again there was an intent to ask you for anything in particular but i do think that it's an opportunity for anybody to make a request for so i mention this in the memo provided it's also a bit of noise compatibility program is the effort the airport is currently going through to get f a a approval of spring as it started one of the things we pointed out was the challenge for it of that process which is very good process as for the city is that the exposure map in place does not include the modeling of the f thirty five so to the extent that the sound medication efforts were going to be improved they were going to be improved with don't necessarily know us knowing the impact to our residents because that noise exposure map hadn't been updated so we pushed back on therefore heard us and therefore went to the federal there and got the support to update the noise exposure so we now have commitments from the airport that that will be done by the end of this calendar year in conjunction with that the airport leadership is recommending slowing down that do is compatibility program process to allow the noise exposure map process to catch up so both would be and draft for this fall to the communities those models were approved so i think it is a change the airport is made in the last year that is beneficial to our residents in any process will be going through with them this summer and fall and potentially impacted neighbors but for those that financial obligation is so we'll continue to update you on those very clear frankly technical conversations i think the conversation tonight though is about whether or not you're satisfied with the work that's being done there and whether or not there's interest or desire in this body to take up a further issue and again part of this pours out of the request we have i received a draft resolution that included some very specific language had a very specific perspective that i'm really cognizant of this body has even had an opportunity to think about this together even look at the issues and frankly just don't usually just read  we needed some voice in authority over the government and it's an area that i'm interested in talking more about i don't know you know how much we can do this going anyway   typically it's usually a statement or a resolution which kind of combine that currently into a resolution and if the council is trying to take a position on something that doesn't really or give instruction for in a really formal public way so that you know if you're interested in taking a particular position or discussing that too that might be a vehicle for something like that but it sounds like you want to start a confirmation start yeah bills were geared around how to how to engage in a formal conversation around governments including the city becoming more involved in the potential legal governance discussion and in some cases be blunt about that in that we have had what i would consider productive conversations with burlington in terms of potentially looking at governance models from that perspective and i still hold  said but we need to have some kind of formal approach to this issue and the sort of what we boiled it down to was we decided the larger thing for us was having transparent decision making at the airport there are thirty five specific items so we sort of blend of the two but there really you know governance and f thirty five are really two separate discussions that are connected for political reasons and no other you know  it's actually pretty important in my perspective to separate the two because the airport government's conversation is about a number of economics in a number of economics or is this not focused on one i don't know if that being said part of the issue i think that a lot of people taken with only a thirty five issues of the way the support for nonsupport from the airport from reform perspective has unfolded in the way that where you get back to those two issues become intertwined in what is important to talk about them together but in separate them very quickly so it's important talk about them from the strategic levels understanding of the play off each other  perspective and it frankly bogged down in a lot of cases by people who felt very strongly one way or the other adopt that issue that's my perspective on it there are also people who just didn't agree with it  and there's also some financial pieces going back and forth about that so we weren't successful in getting another community besides a sense of doing to approve it but i would not call that an unsuccessful municipally owned airports that have regional governance structures and i think some of those conversations that we had with other select boards specifically helped unpack some back you know we live within this model this is always been our limbered this forward without really a specific action because i want to just take the temperature and if there was anything else people wanted us to do our research i'm hearing put together some more materials in terms of past resolutions and actions test so i think to what we can do is ensure that shared with the group as well if it passes i think there will be great and if members of the public can help us watch for that  other comments questions concerns from the public the place making demonstration project code regulations are most permissible there so the parking space would basically provide a spot where short term improvements can be made over the course of the summer and fall for basically pop up activities or workshops and different recreational programs there and that would also include in that block crosswalk which would connect the east is east and west side streets up main street so that people could easily cross there a few implications there that we would use some of the resources provided by a r p to measure traffic calming anticipated traffic calming measures and use their outreach channels to really amplify the way that this kind of meets the public  problem and you have reason that i came out of our shop relative to others is that i've gone to a place making workshop which is why i opened it was like he could do any sort of demonstration project and talking it through the team here just his good recommendation this felt demonstration project so those are heavy infrastructure mounted into the ground meant to last for seasons it would be a little while thing like this might look like in the city over time again back to this you know i think a fair phased in well of how do we test out things in the city how do we pilot those ideas to see how the community could lightstone before we go twenty three million dollars  initiative this is a lower cost leverage funds option to explore place making in that particular area of the city try it out works great if it doesn't work fine might give us some new opportunities of those as we look ahead i think with a conscious decision to take some some additional debt on the way of making space if we've been very strategic about wanting to fill the spaces with things that make sense for the for the building and for the vision of the city council but i think as you hear it here too there are some urge to put around in particular the teams in our space where we've talked about locating child care so a couple quick updates on the y m c a space not fitness for a while now as i mentioned here trying to mirror those two very different entities in the same physical space has taken some time so we could have one construction quote in hand the second we expect this week i hope to have it friday but we have two subs that were slow in getting its box of glass guy came sunday and we expect that the second sub will be there this week give us a time person so so once we have those two to compare i think we'll be ready to move forward with expect the thought would be moving in the near future towards final pieces the community kitchen as you see here i feel like i talk to every sort of outfit under the sun that might have a use for commercial kitchen and to date we have struggled to find one that will fit we do have another showing this wednesday and we do have from our proven continuing to use the space on a limited basis in their scaled down training program so we're at this and the first quote was close to that but a little bit of it i do know they have moved towards exploring some findings not just more than anyone but at this point in my day to day but they're continuing to move forward with entire opening a space here they're working with snap her breath they're working on financing again they're following up with contractor so they're doing all the things that indicate their intent on the forward with that said if a second call comes back really high i think then we have a conversation there to half yeah yeah but and i think until we get that second number it's a little hard to say and the first one was close  approach in the context of these two and a half years the idea was that the community was going to coalesce a stakeholder group got a community feedback and move toward some recommended projects it's a two hundred thousand dollars grant and the idea was child cares capacity in the city in a way to childcare center branson was identified as a really ideal space and so we put that up to bid with about at the time about ninety five thousand dollars of money that an operator could use to do the space we had three given time only one up occasion and that wasn't a viable one unfortunately it was a group that had any prior childcare experience so we found ourselves back at the drawing board a little  do for the number of kids coming in so the income doesn't jive with the expenses needed to run a quality sound and if you give children county we're finding that exacerbated by higher possible living in higher real estate costs so interestingly brunton had a similar outcome with their first round of early learning initiative top funding so i think while that doesn't really help it was affirming to know that you're not alone  really hard to try to get this done i think we're also getting to a point of recognition that we we may need to fish or cut bait here or relates in particular to this so have any firm deadlines are not to do thing kind of april it seems it seems like a larger industry so so we've had a lot of conversation you know i think nobody likes the idea of sending graham money back especially given how much we've gone through as a group over the last  year so i do think that we would like to try to work with the father to to redirect the south with these that we have listed here that may or may not be possible based on early conversations with the founder and so i do a couple of years out so in the spreadsheet that angela rae have put together you see where we are now this year which is a very large hit significant ninety thousand dollars to the reserve fund and then making some educated assumptions based on the information really just walk through what those ten and see payments will look like into one eight hundred twenty and twenty one we actually see that reserve balance start slowly ticking up that's including that's assuming that the u v and snap works and that's assuming that we are able to lease the childcare center starting next january so we are assuming still either build out for a child care center or six month vacancy until we figure out what the next tenant is going to be in that bigger picture of this conversation like you know countless reports that we see about have there's this unmet childcare need out there that somehow the business model does not work and so if we get to a point where we we know it's not going to work i that for us to have spent two years working to expand capacity in this community and come up short is during a hundred can tell a story very disappointing i think it's a really tough pill to swallow make the final i mean are you going to do a final hour reach for it since so we have this really have been really shaken the bushes pretty hard you've got to see a little more mines in the fire right now we've got another phone call to make this week you know we're trying to do a lot of questions coming as concerns about it and certainly don't need to move this along because it's an important because it's extremely important so we will spend lots more time in the community center we do but and this is when you what i'd like to do is take the temperature if i had thought i had enough i probably would have actually put these into the concert engineer because i don't think that there was a lot of back and forth last time on these and i want to kind of just do a global check and i'll call them out and so there's an opportunity to open and close discussion but we we could also if there is no issue we could take the council rules of procedure confidentially meeting schedule and pending feedback from you all tonight tomorrow i will send around a did a poll to identify that saturday morning retreat we did this last year it did work really well for us to get out of this room spend the morning together talking about priorities and strategies for implementation once we agree on a date between the middle of april may well go to the commissions as from your feedback staff will do an internal process to make recommendations we'll provide you any information any chance of a retreat we'll have to retreat