as much or all of it by the time allotted we should take testimony at this time on any item agenda used a member of the public has three minutes and three minutes lighting green means speak yellow means you've got thirty seconds that red means stop and if you don't i will make you stop ok you know a lot of work to do today members so saying that when you name is called come forward and introduce yourself if you are representing a organization or a group we asked that you would please consider making that public information and  with that will ask mr dan clark if you would please come down and give us his thoughts on the item of interest and following mr clarke will be poor  leaven the road improvements for the access road can i first off i want to thank all of you for working with all of us on this very necessary corrective work thank you very much family was we lived there for many many years she said that don't know work corrective work has been done on that road for over forty years outside of the patchwork and revenge barriers that are placed on the outside to project and without that we can't move forward with the corrective work and i spent over thirty seven years a civil service employee working these projects and i understand the intervening concerns with you know responsibility land ownership in this in that and and you know worked in creating the sewer systems and and we were always you know confronted with these issues of who property was where but we were able to move through this especially if the necessity is it's a serious this one is here and on our last meeting i just wanted to you know bring to your attention that that evening a large you  know slide came down again and covered the entire road and i'm constantly telling people walking that road to please walk to the outside is very dangerous so we need to move that road and we need to concentrate on  corrective work so please please approve the funds for this unnecessary project and i thank you for your continuing support and thank you very much thank you mr clarke any questions for the gentleman ok and i thank you so just reiterating that mr clarke had said about the issue thirty eight eleven and you know my grampa a few years ago had been writing his you know farm equipment down to the lower lands tree had fallen out of that you know sort of side of the area that mr clark is talking about and so that's just kind of a really brief you know example of the dangers that you know are sort of lurking if you look up to the side colony council persons mike moran testifying for the key a community association on item d f thirty eight nine first we express our appreciation to you chair for scheduling this excuse me scheduling this item this morning you're likely are aware that we come before the council and several of you committees each time a proposed project in our areas before you expressing our concern of inadequate infrastructure principly roads regardless of our opinion of the project towards worthiness for a community each project adds more and more of the vehicles so we ask for reasonable conditions be imposed if the project is approved to include some way of handling the edition of vehicles we expect most of us agree if the business does not provide for this the burden falls on the taxpayer and if sufficient funding cannot be budgeted we are just exacerbating the problem for several years casey had been trying to get an updated transportation plan for our area as we continuously watch development after development receive counting approval with almost no true traffic mitigation as we only have a twenty year old plan in place and we all know how key has exploded over these twenty years but we have a current timely matter which really needs to get this updated in place and based on advice we received from consultant laurie friend in as well as our council member couch the first step in achieving this is getting this budget amendment in the current budget to fund this plan we have been advised our decades long request for the north south collector road at least across north key hay could potentially be done by twenty twenty as the missing segments are listed on the step but can assure a federal funding based on the planned link counts we need the proposed mt go road to at least be shown on some official map which seemingly will happen in this up to date plan thus we need to continue moving this plan forward before it is too late to it achieve this objective for immediate for this immediate concern as well as the overall need for a current plan of our community we ask for committee approval we all await the upcoming all consuming twenty seven thousand fiscal fiscal year budget to clog this committee in the spring so we asked the committee to approve this request as quickly as possible so the whole house of cards will not collapse mahalo for your consideration thank you for your thoughts mr morris members questions for the gentleman from every night this morning haven't you for your testimony talking today about ken and i because to be honest i haven't gone there in a while i see as a business owner i have a nice car a nice car needs a nice road to drive on but i can't take my car down that road because of the conditions there being part of that community and not being able to go down to our housing property there is kind of sad unless i can get another vehicle you know this among other issue as well as tourists who are abundant when they are going down to the landing out of great concern for community members the tourists and visitors who end up going to the landing i believe it is very very important that we look into getting the road repaired and it's very very critical and at the same time again as they mention it's hasn't been worked on for maybe  the last forty years so i think it's about time you know we get some help and support that we would greatly appreciate out there and it would be nice to you know it's get out there more often for myself today also speak on behalf of my father mark a queen oh who also has similar issues here in there you know his vehicle as well takes quite a beating from attempting to go down that road so now you know again we're looking at different people now having issues you know it's just extra challenge an extra difficulty that we would like to overcome and hopefully through the means of getting help with repairing the road there so any help we would greatly greatly appreciate that a community you know would definitely appreciate it very much they are some of the nicest people out there contributing we have some of our  farmers out there as well you know all these people constantly transporting kahlo from their land and out to town if they're going to be selling you know so these types of things as well to help them get get through the safely so that they can conduct their normal business as well yeah we would really appreciate that thank you thank you for your comments this morning members any questions for the gentleman i mean that we thank you for being a honorable chair committee members staff members of the community my name is deborah green and i serve as president of the mountain meadows neighborhood association and i'm testifying on behalf of our association and its constituency thank you chair hope comma for scheduling item b f three eight nine we're here to urge your support for funding the south maui transportation study this important study can help in four decisions about the traffic impacts from plan developments in my lane and mckenna which will impact traffic on the pilani highway highways already backed up at the two entrances of maui meadows during shift changes at the hotels and those are the only two ways to get in and out of so with the new development projects on line the situation is going to get even worse at the community budget meeting for fiscal year tw and deputy director of public works told me they're waiting for approval of the additional funding before they can proceed with the contract for the study consultant after the contract is awarded the project is expected to take another one and a half to two years to complete timing is of the essence so please approve the additional funding for this important study before it's too late we're seeing that key infrastructure like transportation and drainage is falling further and further behind land use development we see our county government not following the goals objectives and policies of the community plan to the detriment of many according to the key hey mechanic community plan the county  supposed to quote control the timing and phasing of construction to ensure systematic and incremental development and to prevent haphazard development and ensure that the adequate infrastructure takes place prior to where he talked about the need to close the campground it cannot have each parking create more appropriate houseless services to those that are there and we've located a property that has actually been  armory building road located one seventy five south containing avenue it's about a twelve thousand square foot building it's taken to at the moment the only thing in there is a boat and it has serves for some parking for the deal and ours apparently it's only used at the moment it's completely fenced with this security gate it is conveniently located to the necessary services that the people that would be housed there would need including the salvation army which is right around the corner and who has expressed interest and has the ability to manage and run it they have models in place for all over the mainland so they would know the staffing in the budget it would take and they stand ready all they need is funding we propose that it's controlled by the state we propose that the we ask the state to lease it to the county for a dollar a year and ask the state to provide some of the emergency funding for the homeless situation  that has been talked about by our governor to the county to do whatever immediate renovations might be needed to that building it probably has a kitchen probably has bathrooms maybe showers the only thing is there's  apparently the state of emergency thing i think that has a deadline of february twenty third and if we can act before that deadline then we can use the streamlined process to five pass a lot of other wise necessary permitting so to us this appears to be almost immediate solution for a lot of people out there that need shelter especially during the winter which can be rainy and the only thing that's really standing in the way right now is the present use which is parking for that deal an hour and we suggest an alternative to that might be the improved area near the the harbor that was renovated for the super hairy and now has alternate item you wanted to share your thoughts with us well it's kind of all this that both of those are regarding shelter for homeless and i support the mayor's efforts in everything he's doing suggestion is just tangent to that not to replace anything he's doing just to supplement and maybe a more immediate solution i think maybe what i'm asking counsel is if you if i don't know if it's possible to pass a resolution to asking the governor to put this on the list or if you could even just make phone calls to change to the series and let him know that you're interested in that solution jan thank you and that and anything you can do to speed it along because if we can get it we can get it on line before that deadlines up then it bypasses so many other permitting things could which could slow it down almost crisis for years and very pleased to see that it's now being recognized as the crisis it really is and that there is to this dedicated facilities in place to deal with these things that were built years ago that have become a of the west molly but the molly halmos alliance association we're tending meetings there and we're very impressed with that group and their dedication to this issue it's amazing how many people who are touched by this and how it's being recognizes this is it's costing us more to continue the status quo than to do with this in a productive way to put money to make these things better there's existing programs in place that need this help the amendments of this budget are very vital to be able to adequately address those programs so that's it in a nutshell and i certainly hope that you will pass on approve these amendments thank you thank you very much any questions for mr pluta thank you we thank you for your presence joseph this morning by coach and he will be followed by a blackburn rhodri morning chair whole comma members of the budget finance committee my name is michael traill i'm here representing the realtors association of maui and its members the realtors association of maui which is to go on record in support of the mayor's proposal to build temporary sanctuaries for a homeless population as well as funding a new homeless programs division in the department of housing and human concerns to specifically address this important issue shelter is a fundamental human need and while this will be a somewhat costly endeavor it will most likely prove to be even more expensive to allow the situation to continue to go unaddress the homeless population in our state has reached a crisis level and solutions are long overdue homelessness is a crisis not only for the individual experience this condition but for the community as a whole having hundreds of individuals and families wandering through our community in this condition will have negative effects to us all the mayor's proposal recognizes that to seriously address homeless is we need someone in government that is dedicated and focused on this situation twenty four seven if county government is serious about addressing homelessness then creating a division in the apartment of housing and human concerns is a minimum first step failing to fund these positions runs the risk of sending the wrong message that we are not serious about homelessness our reoccurring housing shortages that have had such devastating impacts on our families strongly suggests the county must place much more attention to this problem of providing shelter that our residents can afford time is of the essence to create a separate housing department that will be fully engaged and focused on developing solutions to this ongoing problem the proposed sanctuary plan is a good first step that must be followed up by the expeditious development of transitional housing and ultimately a greatly increased development of housing that our working population can afford as outlined in the proposal before you a dedicated housing department would be able to explore all available options to create adequate shelter and could partner with the private sector and private property owners to provide a supply of much needed affordable rental housing units conclusion i would like to paraphrase governor david eeg government needs to stop being an impediment to housing development therefore we look to you as county council members to lead the way in providing shelter for a homeless and affordable housing for our working families my how for the opportunity to provide this testimony today thank you mr trotter members questions for homeless programs division and acquisition of space match shelter units on the committee's agenda today goal now is a nonpartisan nonprofit organization focusing on housing jobs water agriculture economic areas on the island in particular in the past eighteen months many homeless people are congregating with no place to go i have never encountered a problem with anyone but they appear to need help and we must provide it in an organized effective and efficient manner moreover i respectfully ask the committee to take note of the fact that as a community we have a moral obligation to not turn away from what we see to not look for those to blame and to not reduce our response to only a financial argument how ever important that to take no action on this issue to fail to forge a working coalition between the legislative and executive branches he has to accept things the way they are and they are not good finally i support the creation of a homeless division within department of housing and human concerns to both focus our energies and to seek additional federal and foundation funding to reduce the county's fiscal exposure thank you for the opportunity to testify and for your concern for the homeless and one final note i had the opportunity to work with chairman hope comma mayor upon a when nine eleven happened it was an extraordinary action of government for those who say government doesn't work your chair and the former mayor put together an emergency program they kept this island out of the recession that hit everyone else it can be done ladies and gentlemen you have done it in the past you should be commended for those actions and we encourage future similar actions thank you very much alone thank you for the testimony members questions for the gentleman his testimony  available forward to help the situation and do you have that list going back to the days when current governor of new york mr cuomo was head of housing and urban development there was an initiative undertak by the federal government in order to reduce homelessness veterans affairs is now working on the problem of veterans homelessness that program was a supportive housing program which was similar to housing first but in fact recognized mister that without a a ray of supportive services mental health services job judiciously cetera you really couldn't address the problem if you're just putting people in a room somewhere so there are federal programs our foundation a dedicated grant writer i'm sure would be able to address those and also address the problem we have here of rising rents rents are increasing and people who couldn't normally afford to rent an apartment are now going to be facing homelessness and we need to look at that issue of the lack of rental housing and the need for more rental housing and to look at the rising rents and without that's justified thank you sir and the comments at the committee please and following mr carr i who we will be larry costs box still coming down but what is real danger is now is that there's a big huge boulder and it's a big deal and it's sticking halfway out it looks like maybe about five feet or saw and then they did make i would say a bench about ten feet twelve feet up high don't don't seem like any other bench because it is really kind of eroded for many months already so there's still rocks coming down and branches and anything now it's scary is that the trees are growing here so what causing all that is the roots that is growing between the just pointing out the rocks and having the landslide on behalf of the also have is that if you don't mind we are talking about homelessness i'm a farmer and i'm our county back in my old days my grandfather dates about all the people care about when they come i teach them how to fish to teach them how to farm or teach them something about the community and then they have something that is work value i think that i think that's where we should go back to the basic teaching them how to fish teaching them how to socialize i think this is all i got to say thank you thank you nightly anyone wishing to provide testimony this is under thirty eight dish thirty three and we have a communication dated december twenty third of two thousand and fifteen from mr baez so mr burroughs would you give us your comments morning mr chair the parks department is requesting a transfer of appropriations an amount of four thousand dollars between their operating budget and their equipment budget so they can lease a copy or they had purchased a copy of previously that is dying and they're spending a lot of money on maintenance and having it down quite a bit so they are preferring to lease a copier this year large capacity copier for the park system and this transfer intent is i'll be happy to answer any questions maybe you have  know around everybody around the director's office there is a war memorial ok so what about the the district offices well they have access to such type of copying are you going to transfer you know deliver the richard that's a good question we've looked at a couple different scenarios specially looking in to the f a a seventeen budget request coming up shortly we have a few departments they're requesting purchases most departments do request leases it really depends on the life of the equipment then the usage of it in one instance will look that in public works it was more advantageous to buy the copier that difference and i guess was the church did before asking this question what is the real difference other than usage between buying n b c cost is the really really the only difference is is cost if you look at a five year lease versus a purchase and you you know amortize over the five years in those different costs they come just about dead even if the equipment is heavily used and can is in an environment that isn't you know very advantageous to to electronic equipment then leasing is better because we can get it upgraded quicker if it's in an office where you know either the us is lower or it's you know it's clean and there's no problems with that then the longevity of the equipment can last longer than the five year lease cycle so that's why i say really just depends on you know those different was free maintenance they time and then they'd fix it but the only downfall that i found was that i had to pay per per copy so they needed that count so every month i had to send via email the count of copies that it recorded on the machine and then i purchased it you know i'd have to pay a certain fee it was like three cents a copy or to send something like that so my question is is it going to be a heavy duty type auction so if it is then i know the leasing portion of it could grow and more so then i purchase you know i depends on what is your production is a been thank you the actually they charge us for per copy no matter what whether we purchase it or we lease it there's still another copy price that we have to pay and it's less than a penny for black and white and then i forget how much it is color six and why would they charge you for a copy if you if you already own the machine because they're replacing the toner and  thirty dish thirty four the chair before you get started yes i mean i would be excused because i need to have a conference call as you well know forty of you this morning at ten o'clock so with noise if i may of sixteen budget underground revenues schedule of grants by departments this is for the department of foreign public safety in regards to the us the e u which is the united states department of agricultural forest service  grant so well as mr baez as well as the chief for their comments regarding this consideration this morning thank you mr chair good morning again so this request is to add to the appendix a part one of our budget ordinance in grant revenue the grant from the u s department of agriculture forest service division for the whole world of fire break it was a competitive grant that the department of fire and public safety applied for and was awarded so this twenty two thousand one hundred thirty eight dollars is going to be received by our department they can share with you on the process because there was a retirement at the state level that usually handled the grattan grant process for the community while the land protection program and so we took that over maybe about nine months into the process this grant process for that so we want to thank westmoreland company for doing all of that work for us thank you so again so we present as we are understanding chief the work has been completed i've seen the work going on as i drive by every day and so you're seeing it's completed and because it's a around where the store area is i mean that's i think we're there yes and this so there is if this is a fifty fifty match this grant rate so how is the provides the fifty match for us but it's coming through us as our department because we did the ground normally it goes through the state department of forestry they were all supposed to it but b because they had a retirement and we wanted to speed up the process we took over that ground and so we're small we one company provided in excess of twenty two thousand dollars for their services  so you can so didn't have to be a dollar amount per se it can be an in kind service that equates to that amount we exit fifty match so basically it came out to the all forty four thousand plus and actually much more than that to get it done so we have to prorate dollars and all of that whole project to come up with the fifty match through u s d a ok and are we are is seen as a kind of his inquiry how long is this going to be it was our roads opened up and traffic is flowing again so but then unfortunately the next day it flared up again but i guess the kurds but thank you folks for being on the spot and doing your best because  that area chair as we know the poly and in other areas in west maui very difficult terrain the trucks cannot go i don't care what kind of stuff we buy and so it was a helicopter drop so good job on that and thank them for their service and their innovative process to get things going at a much quicker pace and usual i hope my government can be better be being proactive is such a good character in that department so second again we all appreciate the continued on regular quality of work or firefighters provide the community but one thing to achieve again today was interesting on the radio prior to the even you i would assume completing your investigation there was a comment that the windmill caused the fire and so i would be happy to frame the results of your investigation on what actually caused the fire because i would hate for people to get the most incorrect assumption there was something when he wasn't and so your investigative components of following through on the crease or incident is much appreciated and look forward to if a m there yet what can i safely twenty four hour news you gotta make it up some things thank you thank you chair yes and if you don't mind another common area least in and of course thank you they did my office that but my office did get some negative i guess comments during that work process in regards to them not knowing what's going on of your what are these piles of dry you know everything they're compiling up over there and the dust factor was affecting them so i did have a just so we all know and your department too that there were actually concerns during the work process but i sure  the end after it was all said and done and explained what this is for and it's to all me you know assisted in creating your again during the process i did get some calls just for your reference on this body's reference and i thank you for that we apologize for those complaints there was informational as that went out to the kinneret safety projects for their their design phase and looking at some of the the cost items there are some things as a director can explain the details of possibly th is handing out if you think pictures of the slide that mr clark mentioned that happened the day we had our meeting last time so the mountain continues to move  and the request and thanks again for scheduling it so we can hopefully move forward one way or the other you know department requests a half million dollars based on planaria scuffs and with some potential consultants and the nature of the work being  rather complicated with that hillside in a lot of geotechnical work is going to be needed and also some unknowns based on what that work might come up with so we we will do our best to make the four thousand work we may not quite make it in which case will probably look at either the han a district resurfacing fons or county wide safety to make up any differences the work will be conducted  phases so we will be doing a lot of survey in jail technical work first identify what the issues are with the mountain we'll certainly be forwarding that information have you do with anything on the state's property to the state and based on all that  of our oath on a person's recommendation thank you mr cochran think it's here and thank you director for being here and yes definitely supportive of the job and this is again for planning and design currently correct on any word with state yet on their and their line or their lines it's at all we're going to we're going to chair mr scott and we're going to approach know the results and you know should we find that there's issues related to their property that was such a service put them on notice and i think through that process then we could then approach the state for funding perhaps agree together that it's a hazard for the residents and visitors alike and regardless where that line is there's a slope there's a mountain is falling can we both just say hey let's  relationship the the reports that are generated and you know identify what the issues are will serve as the basis to have that discussion i don't anticipate them shirking their responsibilities again because we have a good working relationship and we have in the past we've had two projects not rockfall related but we had both a country the halakhah highway projects like i envision this one being someone with us but i'm thinking of that huge fall and i'm not sure the area on the highway but they had to put up that big you know an eighteen and all that and it happen pretty quickly that whole i mean it really did cave in and block that entire route so i think that probably had to have been a similar situation that in my eyes is as you know huge is that project was happen appreciate the department's effort to to start the looking into the resolutions and and it's always appreciative when we take a look at the the small rural up front i am going to look at increasing gas tax to pay for all of this road highway projects we are going to be considering now and in the near future someone has to pay the  bill so i don't have a promise moving forward projects that it's going to take millions to get them we need to beef up the plot of where are we going to take the money to pay for these projects so i'm giving you had bands that i'm going to be  tax increase specially if we're going to have to pay for an imperial also so be prepared for tax considerations members with that the chair is open to to eight billion number thirty five two thousand and fifteen relating to the issuance of general public ation bonds of the county of my we can i road safety improvements and that is again the members for at this time four was in no motion passes plan and it is to unmanned revenues in the highway fund by three hundred forty thousand we are heading in appropriation from the highway fire of the similar amount for the region no traffic master and fifteen mr bio's any opening comments from your departments or i think mr chair just before you are the two proposed bills as re and we are here to answer any questions that you might have regarding this project i think it's had some discussion a little bit last year during the budget deliberations but they were happy to continue discussions on it and happy to match i think the federal funds go through the state and we are we have a consultant selected we have a scope of your contract negotiated and so once we have the funding's in place in the budget we scenarios derived out of the document and ultimately it needs to be something that's worked with the state because we want to use this and we need to use this to continue to justify the exactly in its requirements for southgate road as we continue to improve south erode going north from the pole as well as the segments of the north south collector row that are dying to be built and we do have the north south collector in the step i is this something down the rule you could get reimbursed from the potential  i think i think we can certainly ask the question i don't know the particulars of how that's going to work my understanding with the m p o is once it's up and running is there going to be to come up with a work plan and that plan would identify various areas that need study including south maui and so because the area for the m p o is entire island to look at everything and come up with a plan if that bubbles up to near the top i think something i'm taking under consideration when i let the members know that this is one of the factors again of not thinking things through so on o that's a kind of already submitted my questions that if it's good i just wanted to say you know we've been approving projects a couple of projects in the north area especially that are going to depend on the north south collector road going in there so the sooner we can get this done the better he said it's going to take eighteen months to do study great eighteen to twenty four months and so is that they're doing you know traffic counts and all that whole thing again or can they look at data that was done on previous studies typically mr chairman strauss they would typically pull from all the existing studies that design of that phase of the north south collector road to be completed before we can construction that thank you this is a coach just a follow up on that question where it was from was why this is a fifty percent match or roughly fifty percent versus the normal twenty percent from the county through i don't know the particulars of that i'd have to investigate and get back to the committee ok because of because our our normal match on projects is twenty percent from the county versus eighty percent from the feds so i just wonder why this are studies dealt with differently than the actual construction projects question my notes show that the reason why the project is proposed to be six hundred eighty two thousand dollars we received a specific amount for this project of three hundred forty two thousand dollars from total project cost yes i'd i would be able to answer those questions i can answer the second part of it there are two good so the second part of the question was the total cost came upon we're going through our process to consult selection find the best insult those type of work and then negotiating with them the scope of the work and the value that scope of work so our staff typically has a number of back and forth with the consultants they select to understand what the scope what they understand is go to be able to consult understand scope to be then how many man hours from project manager on down civil engineers to clerical staff and so might standards that we've basically negotiated you know the basis for the contract total of sixty two which would come from these two sources i had again i don't know where the fifty it is it's appears to be exactly fifty percent federal and local and i don't know if that's exactly what the way they works on these particular federal funds or if that's all they had from our county was three forty two i don't know i don't find that out thank you thank you thank sources if it's bond like the can i won previously of course you know we have to review and revise the bond authorization bill to add that money so that we have additional revenue but for many of the budget amendments we are using cash for it so to use to utilize the cash we have to recognize those funds from some purpose today you have multiple budget amendments that are requesting monies from carry over saving so basically after the end of the fiscal year and we have a good idea of what how much you know additional funds they have in the you know on reserve fund balance of the different funds so we can utilize that to pay for these  sometimes we have additional revenues miscellaneous revenues for some purpose that we weren't expecting when we produced the budget but germany has come in so we recognize that as well so this basically will be coming from the carr you know every meeting that we go to in fact it's probably a big meeting going on right now and the subject is always traffic traffic jam and we can't have any more cars on the road and how do we solve it whatever so i think we had to do this it's very important to our decision making so we're going to have to spend some money but i think we need it thank you thank you mr cochran thank you chair my question is in regards to this federal aid highways twenty thirty five where you know who produced this what does it aim to do and so today's amendment is to is in regards to this south maui regional which is a supplemental to this federal aid highway historically and for each county on the state to look at look at twenty years and say ok what do you what are going to be able to do with these these monies not into painting anymore and to try to  projects that you know that can fit in that budget because too often we as we go along we say all let's do this now and do that and what happens is you just pushing we bring in something new you push something out and so it was a process of the state went through to try to everybody kind of laser focused on new realization we have a fixed amount of federal funds and so i know in my conversations with the state they typically talk about this one as either you know new projects or any project either being above the line or below the line and if you're above the line you're in that twenty year window it's been identified so evidently this is one of those projects if you're below the line the state really their perspective is you know unless you want to push one year old projects out we're not going to we're not going to focus on stuff that's not in this above the line you know we're wasting resources by focusing on projects that are borderline why the reasons take up so far behind some other federal funds and as they worked out that list down so i think i think it's actually very healthy project that helps all of us remember that you know the federal funds are really important the fact is reauthorized and at the same or higher levels extremely important if it didn't and it went down thirty percent of that whole plan out the door and the lie would just go up because we have less projects so again i'm not certain why exactly it's referenced in this particular bill but that plan is really important for us to remember you know what we can and can't do and it's flexible enough that you know hey something important comes out yeah we should prioritize  came in that we had to move it above the line but we have to recognize now we've got a responsibility to move something out so anyway it's got a long winded but it is a good opportunity for me to talk about the plan thank you and if the county accepts that specific projects traffic assessment i don't believe so i mean if i think we have the resources we could make it more  would have to agree to take us to sign up so both levels of governments transportation different or some people would responsibly is signing off on this private sector this proposal right as it impacts public facilities so brain i would in that part of the update if if we could update it like on an annual basis you mean yeah i mean if we can we put there's a possibility of making a living like living document you know we can constantly adjust i think we'd love to have that capability i'm not sure we have the resources to do it but it's something i can certainly ask the staff about seafarers possibly making this plan  have unique information store information of our district that if we were here nobody would remember be sick i mean i can forget things in the way it's going to bring up what happened to one thirty years ago spend down especially in the area of duty and other where there's a lots of federal funds and not being spent down so i gain the reason i bring this up you can do it maybe not germane to just this project but many others that now's the time to get our foot in the door because they are in desperate need of spin down because they've just accumulated like you know much to cheer an accumulation of a lot of federal funds that somehow just not getting spent and we have a chance of maybe losing some of that federal funding so he did commit to a number of projects and i don't remember all of them but i think it's important to understand that there is a need right now so here in ma we county gentlemen used to good let's look at what we can and i think  should also go for water and water area i think there is federal funding that sitting there that needs to be spent down and i think it's very important crucial that we get out the gate right away you know if you and your various department to qualify receive and expand federal dollars i think for those that had meetings with e p a and department of health regarding safe drinking water in addition to what we really appreciate thank you thank you for your comments so victory for the questions for either director members if you that the chair is open to a motion to move forward to counsel for revenue ski community work in a community plan and this is for the amendment to increase revenues and add an appropriation of two hundred forty thousand from the highway fund for a regional traffic  dollar project for submarine regional master plan whereby the total under federal highway grants department of public works will come to nineteen million one hundred forty seven thousand dollars so moved that i have a motion by mr wade seconded by mr culch members for their discussion on the motion before you to the future discussions as well as specific recommendations since miska fellow is on this issue she's considering another posting shortly so you know i will look at her and her committee continuation of the budget committee meeting for general twenty six we shall now could move to i don't sixty two under the heading of advertising inside county transit buses transit buses and this is to regulate and be fined every time as a means to generate income to benefit the transit system and not to create again i will repeat not to create a public if he has some comments he wishes to share with us oh no sorry i don't i'm just here to answer any questions you may have thank you thank you mr couch thank you mr chair and thank you for bringing this up this is something that i mean it's a revenue potential revenue generator so hopefully we can move this along my only concern to the committee chair is the comment and then i understand completely where it is generate income to the benefit of the system and not create a public forum for the dissemination debate or discussion of public issues which i totally agree question i have is legality on that as far as freedom of speech if somebodies able to purchase an ad they should be able to say what they want is that an issue if not i'm fine with it completely missed it will be ok if he's able to respond to that question at this time my understanding is i didn't draft the bill but there was a mammal along with it and it it's pretty clear that certain types of speech may be regulated and this no question mr victory and thank you to the big concern i have you know being the river new generation issue at one time i remember the discussion and i was trying to real quickly go to this and look for the potential of not only non profits but others using it that had no generation of or if you want to be more informational that still part of the overall picture as far as advertising in our posters thank you chair their way is set up at this point his priority space will be to the paid paid advertis change road changes would we have access immediately for that issue that those sorts of signs we would we would keep some spaces open for informational regarding ok so that those would be available to be outside say non profits that they wanted to put things in there if there is space it's not taken up by advertising space and they would be able to do that and that was you know i know we had discussed that quite lengthy and had not come up with any final decision but i think at this point i would yield to the fact that we want to department is recommending i would go for that for now and maybe we question may be in twenty four months or in two years our review of it because i think it's going to be very important number one what's put in number two what kind of revenue you and number three i think not forgetting that some of the groups this is their means of reaching those who they need to reach the less fortunate the disabled who and the underprivileged who use our bus system quite extensively free would should be non profits and governments so we just as a question are allowed to put i guess media times to give word out to the community as a whole about a certain because i remember the whole bus issue and then the bus people receive and you know you have a bus meeting and you know i mean the notation on the bus to tell us that we should come in you know speak hairpiece about this but situation to find revenues to continue to offset the subsidy because i'm not happy with the subsidy level i think writers need to pay more i don't think it's fair to just dump on a regular general fun turner property ownership to just pay for everything that ridership won't take some level of responsibility i don't have you know a thing is somebody's got a picket for it and then  that group starts rebuilding of paying for things we're going to have them real problems and so i'm not in favor of free anything in the buses ok all right thank you very much chair this is open to and again my thing is for any ways to make this program work because again i'm not happy with the level of the subsidy i think it's unfair it's a coach and you know i did notice during this last golf tournament we had that we had a bus that had stopped at the maui county bus stop but it wasn't a maui county bus and it had an outside advertisement don't we do we have any laws about that at this point it had it out advertisement about the golf tournament that we had here and i'm just curious  assuming one of our buses went down so it was the vendors another bus that they had and they happened to have an outside ever ties me there anything first of all prohibits outside ever ties meant at this point on any planning department i believe there is an out or some art or in this regard he quit it and unless it's been changed you are unable to that you should you're on able to advertise on a bus for something else other than you own it so in the case of let's say coca cola it's a coca cola truck they can have coca cola science on it but a coca cola truck shouldn't have catamaran that's my understanding of the of the law unless it's been changed ok because that was that was a concern i had i noticed that he thought wait a minute so why don't we ask let me ask mr wilkie if he has something he could share to your question mr coach mr gray can you do you have a response you could shoot mr coach in the members sorry chair i'm not overly familiar with it all mr madera says that sound correct then he might have to do it some sort of like billboard type of yeah i believe and we also have like that errol aerial advertising legislation also so there's probably something out there i'm just i'm not familiar with it i'm sorry chair thank you mr coach that's  weight in the december second letter from her counsel it states that there is no item in the proposed bill in exhibit one prohibiting false or misleading advertising is that month is it's a consideration but again i think and i think we can consider i was your mention about the amount and i thought i saw it was trying to sift through something like eighty one hundred eighty four eighty five dollars per month and that would be signage and thirteen buses i guess so that's a monthly rate for me from each advertiser i guess just trying to get all that up time and then you know where it would come out to so something like what twenty two hundred per if they wanted to go for the all twelve months ever has you know off thirty buses so annually at about twenty two hundred times however many vendors are interested in paying something i guess i'm just looking at are two projects we just consider that's highway funds and people will be highway funds subsidy should be coming from highway fun for the bus not general fun hundred transportation yes we are doing improvements but a piece where the community can pay for it and deal with the debt load is my my you sure right now and how we're going to pay for all of this things because you and i both know that's not even touching the other big infrastructure components we've got to look at the water sewer components right now i mean in the billions already in budget their numbers them look at mutual agreements within a budding sister counties so you go to minnesota it's st paul minneapolis i mean there were two big large urban but  there they have to partner to make the transit work too big counties have to agree to make that transit work we don't have this opportunity to as a sister company because there's there's always a channel of water between us that would be difficult for us and that's why for us expenses but was always going to be extremely high and we need to be smart in the system we will support  for and the father we stretch it out the more money you're going to need and you can have fewer returns and so it's it's a financial decision down there will be eventually on the line of us where and how we want to adjust those f this pass and and follow through with what the a surprise would this be something that we're looking at the department of transportation and to some lists are is there a possibility of  comes to the euro area right and it's just you know just thoughts that have just come to buy it right now and which is you know if we would consider this opportunity then to me would be something that makes sense is that of overtaxing the existing employees or thinking up bringing in newark employees which it would be at a cost but that's just a thank you but the for the committee's information again because of our great staff work currently under my we turn to code chapter eleven point zero two point advertising shall be allowed on the exterior of county buses to any word phrase or logo identifying the department bus contractor or tree name of the county bus system may be placed on the exterior of the county bus so it is not a requirement and finally any word letter freeze or number on the exterior of a county bus that identifies period is five hundred eighty five hundred dollars a month depending on that had so that's some big bucks and by the way there interior rates are thirty five dollars to eighty five dollars for a four week period good to have ten million people  yes so members will no objections all communications pertaining to be of sixty two shall be filed no objection but moments ago when there was a discussion about exteriors this is there any language in here that specifically says that this is only for interior  zero which is the second you're primarily amending through this bill is only for advertising inside buses and there's another section of the code that relates to outside buses but the purpose and intent is overarching to inside and outside that's why the amendment is there also just make sure that language is in there in your purpose and intent ok thank you ok thank you this may be on me that's fine i just wanted to make sure that the argument later on written using transfer money from the council services the account to the c account to accommodate the members needs for equipment to be brought into the chamber and used to view our new granik us capacity to go paperless and i've been following this meeting just on my i pad and as opposed to going through the binders of the access for the members going forward well out doing them all all the items that are in the binders now are also available on the i legislate more than i anticipated meeting but it allows for some flexibility of members have specific needs that they would like to address with respect to accessing graphic yes thank you for that also have m questions but i've been utilizing this new apple whatever and i i appreciate it you know it's makes it much easier and being that i can i call me on weekends i can home and review it over the weekend for upcoming agendas so it makes it easier because he got just about everything in here so i appreciate o c s to upgrading our efforts to be better prepared i guess thank you so you have the new rangers and we're going to keep the same speed or faster so practice with your i pad because we're not of the few that budget it accordingly will see a cult so just something to think about members for your own as you terry needs of your specific off this is and for council services let's make sure we fiscal two thousand and sixteen budget these are increases in collective bargaining units two three and four in salaries and wages and fringe benefits for employees we for this saucer if you would please join us with the budget director and staff is passing out  for units two three and four they were going through negotiations during the fiscal year two thousand and sixteen budget deliberations so we didn't have numbers for you to present  to this committee was august or september which the committee already approved after that we reviewed the department's budgets and to see what the financial direct financial impact was of  the salaries and the special costs of the special revenue fund so that you can see in him mr think you for your sake committee staff passing out the the direct impact on each program you can see is was just handed out as well so you can see it by program for the individual increases and how they relate to the budget so you can see those items again unit clerks and for now ocean safety and some of the other lifeguards and different things like that and then you know four is the supervisors for the unit three individuals  this is the total item of these three contracts and we asked chair that you appropriate council the committee approve these funds so the departments will have the funding available in their programs to be able to for either director at this time or bargaining is two three and four thank you chair my question would be i'm not sure you would have the answer to it but do you have a employee count for each a count of the total number of people that were affected by this increase and if you don't mind and and jerry can go to others for questions probably but so that's my only question ok thank before wait i move on to the next councilor is this an accurate understanding of the committee for these bargaining units does all units have the three things that has to costs across the board increases step movement and one payment just means is that for all three bargaining units or just basically unit three the continue to step movement plan they get a salary schedule increase of zero point three percent or a two percent lump sum payment for employees at their step so that's for unit two for secure sixteen fiscal year seventeen they receive a two percent across the board increase in october and a two percent across the board increase in percent across the board so that was for unit to three for fiscal year sixteen the employees get a step movement where they get placed on their existing step if they had no step movements in the past and then a continuation on the step movement if they were eligible to receive a step fifteen hundred or lump sum payment for employees that are at their maximum step level and for fiscal year seventeen they receive a step if they're eligible a twelve hundred dollars lump sum payment for all employees and on january first of twenty seven thousand so half way through the fiscal year they receive one point six percent across the board increase are exactly the same but those are those are the cost items that were approved that came in that's all within the requirements of the contract as we understand it mr ponce yes those annual increase offer an average you know that the steps come at different times across the board have significant increases at various times and then we have the one  time payments that i would appreciate given a chance to look at what those what what is the impact on what each individual or on the average employee in each of those units i know in the past we've gotten a little bit more of a breakdown and i'm just interested in seeing the degree of the increase you know what i'm interested in is establishing what those increases amount to over over all fiscal years in the cost items we see fiscal year for unit two it's when they cut when they do the collective bargaining cost item resolution they get numbers from the state related to current employees in our system and additional costs of the implementation of the award of the collective bargaining increases and so that can include increases in you t f costs and other things that are not necessarily direct pay increases and so for unit to the additional cost was two hundred eighty thousand seven forty three for fiscal year sixteen and excuse seventeen is for forty eight three forty increase the fringe benefit cost as well i'm uncomfortable voting on something that i don't have a good understanding of  movement dates and employees who were employed as of june thirtieth two thousand and sixteen which has not occurred yet shall receive on time lapse lump sum payment equivalent to one thousand two hundred dollars employees who are less than full time shall receive a pro rated among then for unit three feb first two thousand sixteen they have the same language as the previous bargaining which is a twelve hundred dollars one time lump sum payment equivalent that i'm correct that what action we're taking right now is to make sure the various departments that are these are bargaining units are part of will not be short of money by the end of this fiscal year due to these r environmental management probably in the finance department of liquor control department of parks and recreation department of public works department of water supply total operating appropriations and total decide what to do with the balance so let me direct you to b f thirty eight twenty six where under this component we have for consideration one concerns while we family life center the hollyhock you or i in it it is recommending a one point one three four million dollar consideration of there is their requests for three positions to establish a home with programs to visit him and a third bill for an ordinance  please welcome thank you chair members of the county council as reported previously maui's ratio of homeless to population is higher than any other island based on last year's pick count a point in time count my always home this is point seven of our population point seven percent the city and county of hundred louis point five and the state as a whole is that point six however it's really important to note that our service providers those who are out in the field every day dealing with the situation estimate that are homeless count is actually three times the pitch count which would increase our my always ratio to one point eight percent each week my office received several calls from concerned citizens reporting on homeless campsites lighting fires fights blaring music or just plain concern about people living outdoors and exposed to the elements the faces of many of our beaches have changed from family friendly fire areas to a scary to scary places where people are really afraid to seeing primarily local people out there was quite surprised to see young people something needs to be done these are our people always most vulnerable population and it's a huge concern to us which takes me to the reason we're here today the propose amendments before you represent just the first step in a multi pronged approach to deal with their homeless situation we asked for your consideration for our phase one or two up plan which basically will quickly get people off the streets the plan is to build sanctuaries that can be quickly deployed and used in areas where there is adequate support services a budget amendment includes funds to purchase twelve space max eight nine x zero shelters funds to provide operational funding for service providers and lastly funding to create a new homeless division my we needs an experienced and dedicated staff to deal with the complexities of the homeless issues a staff to coordinate all homeless efforts to spearhead the court process investigate and maximize state and federal funding options and bring together a myriad of service providers so that we can develop an efficient collaborative and streamline approach our plan is not just a handout but is based on a proven supportive housing model that helps people get back on their feet and move out of shelters and onto with their lives municipalities in the mainland have dedicated homeless problem programs however there are none on any of our sister counties  has a very unique opportunity here to take the lead on such a highly important topic homelessness is very complex as we mentioned before with no one size fits all fixed the numbers are growing they are becoming more visible and so might be coming increasingly aggressive there are many service providers that deal with their homeless population in maui some in shelters are there is substance abuse program some have in house others have outpatient services and the list goes on these service providers that the governor's emergency proclamation was extended back in december twenty fifth and they've included the deployment of the shelters for maui county which basically means that  governor's proclamation includes exemption from certain things like procurement and permitting and all of that so what that means is by february twenty fifth which is the deadline when the proclamation expires is that we would need to have a plan in place we're here to answer any of your questions and thank you for having us here today thank you deputy thank you for joining me thing you wish to share with the members at th eleven we could have gone longer but for me that was a good enough to get the sense of what this county has been doing regarding this subject compared to our sister counties so so two thousand and twelve only two counties put up monies as we can to our check you know the county budgets and on a little put off four point four and my we put up three point eight million dollars point nine eight million and this is where one of them made a big commitment they went to thirty five point five million two thousand and sixteen we could not find anything in the current budget and i know i hope i'm wrong but we want to show eighty one thousand was directed appropriations the allen has emptied up three point one million and this county has emptied up twenty seven point one million dollars so the question should be asked what has we what have we done with twenty seven million dollars worth of support for this program that is what we as a department this  morning are we have utilized twenty seven point one million dollars over the last two thousand and eleven and worries the situation the way it is with the amount of millions we have put toward this issue  sorry chair thank you and thank you for that question and it is a good question and i think if you minus some of the forgive things or some of the other loans that have gone  out we're looking at over a period of one two three four five six years divided by the let's say twenty million it's about six what is that three million a year we're covering and we're taking care of our shelters our agencies who need moneys for their operations as well as a lot of the homeless issues that have come up which is the transition housing and they're operating the operations consists of outreach into the community and we have very little if not and i wish we could have more outreach into the community when it comes to homeless we also  provide case managers or the agencies provide case managers that really keep a watch and keep a tune of all of what's the going on with their clients and if it wasn't for all of that done i think it would be even a greater greater outrage out there i'm sure we i mean i feel like there is so much more to do and so much more to give our agencies as well as our community quite a bit of this for us to address chair but thank you for bringing this forward and at this point you know the twenty seven point one million that we come to you within the last six years  is is of concern i recognize but my question is if department have you or do you have the numbers that you received from the service providers as to what's the estimated amount of fun homeless off the homeless population that we show pitch count to homeless count is one thousand one hundred thirty seven as previously mentioned but as they said the service providers estimate that it's actually three times so we reached a crisis by not paying attention we've reached a crisis that we want to i guess address and do something and i think not been met i think that's a question that we're going to need in response to to this i see the need but i also hear the concerns that it's coming from our share and i also feel that if we don't address it today it's going to be worse down the road it's sad that we're in this situation but this is what we're at the other question i have in regards to part of this bill to have your request to have a separate homeless department as well as personnel and i don't know if there's been conversations or or or proposals coming from the administration and from your department you know how much of a stickler we are to establish are executive assistant sat comes from the administration are there possibilities that they may be assigned to at least oversight for at least now if if this would go and  you know because if you do have employees it's not going to happen right away it's going to take long it's going to take a long time the way to department of personnel works into that process  and it sounds as though your department is overtaxed already with the work that they have to do so is there some sort of consideration if you don't get approval for the personnel it first i'd like to address your first question which is do we work at their survival service providers and the answer in the short answer is yes we work with them quite closely and we are active members of the homeless alliance which are all of the service providers plus more we can't constant contact them with them on a daily basis but i'd also like to point out that you know this home situation is really closely tied our housing demand you know there are a lot of people out there that are in rental stick you know i want waiting for their homes and once those people can move up into homes once we can get you know more housing built that will free up more people to move shelters into rentals and that will increase our ability to bring in more homeless people into our shelters so it's kind of all tied together in the guards to the personnel issue it's my understanding that the administration are all quite busy doing their task some i can't speak on behalf of the upstairs but that's our understanding and you are absolutely correct and thank you for acknowledg to the hundreds or you know the amount of the vultures i guess first answer that question have we up and hide it to the fullest and if we haven't what seems to be the problem you know we have people with vouchers out there searching for homes but they're unable to obtain housing so that's the you know fault tar department which is kind of the situation that we're in right now in mali county with the lack of housing has i have a ton of questions but i'll just be concise just for this one round mr mr the chair gave us about a twenty seven million dollar number twenty seven point one million dollars and you know there's argument on the the loan thing of that twenty seven million dollars that the that the chair brought up how many people are we helping with that number how much  how many more would not be helped if we didn't have to spend that  we do have quarterly reports that come out and then a final report from each of the agencies and for your for you council member couch i would have to go back and and total all of that so i can get that for you yeah that's that's an important number being all basically how much it cost per person to to handle the people that we are handling no member asking about how they're going to offset the new services as to not increase burden on the county taxpayers and i really haven't seen a direct answer to that question so that would a oh one i'd like to get more detail on but focusing on the item itself department is asking for one twenty one and some odd dollars for this new homeless program division also six and what is it going to i what i'd like to see and i understand numbers are really good in and all that but what is the root of what's a growing the numbers i think is really key because in ohio it it's growing daily and you know i've said this many years back where i was getting calls from homeless complain about other homeless and i were to they come from and i are here now reveal i see five six other people i don't recognize on the streets to with me and it's like and they're out there in the fields and wherever in the streams clean up because that's where they need to live larry and it's not a it's a scary situation for them to live in these conditions and it's not raining and they have their services they can go to but it's just not enough you know it's just not enough to get them back on their feet and back as productive members of the society with the river they're headed on and on the situation goes so i'd like to see where is the route than the stories about people being shipped in here because of our what wonderful weather in the one way tickets and and things of that meter i have heard of but i don't you know i that's just kind of where it just goes around and around with and  someone said yeah for sure it is and i you know were worried that study or whatever so there's you know for me we need to nip it in the bud and get to the root of what's causing this and i know it's a collective it's a big a lot of things you know  contribute to this but where can we as council and department make a dent to make a difference so i can do this is not just the mo issue it is not a hawaiian issues this is a national issue regarding homelessness and the feeling of despair by general members of the society so you bring up a good point back and therefore when i what the person that that thank you for bringing this up for discussion chair i know there's no legislative action taking to cuba thank you very much and thank you for scheduling this i think this is a matter of urgency and i really would like to see us spend some extra time on getting it so you know it's not cool when you watch the national news and you read facebook and we're right there among the worst problems in the country that doesn't look very good for us that's not my we my country does not print that way we always are better and so you know i want to spend whatever time we need to to get this done and thank you you know when we talk about the problem one of the things we haven't really addressed here is the idea that the numbers are staggering but we are not taking into consideration the hidden homeless and those hidden homeless or to put it is living in their parents houses or with auntie and uncle or twelve people in one house i see it everywhere everybody i talk to has this problem people are coming here it just causes all kinds of problems so you know when we look at the numbers let's not forget that there's a whole bunch of people that are not in those numbers and these people are hard to count because they height they're like illegal immigrant they're hidden in the bushes somewhere and they don't come out so i think our numbers are very conservative the other thing is that i would like to again in a previous meeting i made a suggestion and i guess it's been going to the we side but you know we're concerned about getting units that are available for section eight vouchers and what i hear and myself are concerned about because it happens all around me with the rentals that i live near is the landlords are reluctant to rent to section eight people because of the damage and we suggested that we might want to look at a cheaper way which w be getting insurance to help these landlords so that they would be insured and if the people come in and mess up their houses that they can recover because there's no point in taking a few thousand dollars in rent and spending fifty thousand dollars in repairs you just cannot make it so i really really want us to fasten on that idea and find out what would it cost for us to spend some money and insure some of these landlords so that they would be willing to open up the ho because i think that if the pool is there but they're empty and no empty houses but they don't want to rent another thing is in regards to the how do we solve this problem you know we have programs that work i'm very very familiar with someone having operated them and for me i think the rental assistance program that we do which is not six and eight but we live agencies that yemeni does it i know women helping women does it i think family life center does it and they help families that are homeless or about to be homeless for a short period of time but they enroll them in a case management program where they have to go out and get the skills do resumes apply for jobs so that they can have help for a while diminishing help as time goes on and they get a job and they get benefits but it is successful and when we do our but if you're in we hear it over and over and over people come and testify how mental assistance made them independent and so i think we need to look at those kinds of programs which leads me to one of the issues today and that is the staffing you know i know that we had to spend money on  staffing in my initial reaction to other people's offer staffing was no no but i know that the people to oversee grants and do these things we don't have enough people to take care of this so maybe  temporary people to just go out and get us through this crisis might be helpful so i'm open to discussing that thank you thank you for your comments there was great your list  you my colleagues have most eloquently addressed many of the issues that we're discussing and some of these issues that are you know a part of this problem which this county has been and i seen very very poignantly negligible in building housing in any manner we've averaged about two to three hundred homes units per year for the last four or five years which is really appalling when you talk in how big and fast we're growing so the homeless issue is just not what we see he says mentioned by missed by so it's all that he did homeless people are living with with family and friends and others trying to i was once in a house where there was nine families living in that live in that one household household and it's very you know it's all going to see what's going to happen if you think things are bad now a year from today and we're going to be sitting here maybe talking about even worse situation  occurring again and shutting down as three hundred people that are not going to have jobs in june there's a lot on the horizon that hurts us right now and yet we can't even deal with what we have right in front of us i want to defeat to lead i know people have to eat less there's got to be a lot more work done on this but i think this is a step in the right direction i think on the big island others are ricky nice in the fact in the usual on t v they're looking at these kinds of micro units i think we're going to be talking about that a little bit later there's got to be other issues other ways of solving this problem but until we build inventory we cannot solve the problem and we have to build affordable rentals and units so now working people can the money is being spent and how how it's being spent and how we may be able to add to that in a responsible way and as a think it's it's clear to me that the is certainly putting forth us significantly more than the other two neighbor islands and probably a larger portion of our budget than a lot who is spending as a portion of their budget  and similarly i would like to have a comparison of how much we're spending per capita estimated homeless versus a lot of and maybe the department can look into ways in which the city kind of put a little spending in their fund as opposed to how we're spending hours it's clearly a a problem that we need to address and i appreciate the administration bringing this forward and we to seek responses for please let the chair of the staff know we're happy to forward those requests like this i plan to defer these items and schedule for the next leave as determined by charter as first priority and then all others wait in line for consideration but as counsellors we are required to take care charter mandated department come back with some additional information for us as well as we can get additional information how our sister companies are dealing with their unique situation  yes if they're not satisfactory i'm not going to ask for a decision before we get the right information i'm just curious if we have a deadline because of that the deadline doesn't concern me because i am going to procurement and transparency and i want to know who is on those items you know for the business we are adjour