i just have a general question about this position is this particular person supposed to be representing the districts interest in the parks and rec for or is this person is supposed to just be independent but we're placing down on the board i've never seen anybody coming give us a report back or anything of that sort but so i like for instance whenever the township and the school district work to do the tennis courts together is that something that this person would come back and talk to only as a council person i think i was more of a representative to the school board than the others but it's unfortunate but hopefully we can  again what can we do this week were probably the longest standing board member here historically you said there's been times when there has been reporting it has wasn't the person who was appointed that made an effort to report was it the because i just see this appointment as fruitless if we don't do something because i don't see us appointing a person to represent us if we're not getting rid of the communication of what's going on and giving input as to our concerns or desires recreation or it is and there's three positions being opened up in january so i think both of them are going to end up being on the board anyways because believe me people aren't like begging to be on the market right or i can attest to that i know that i know most of the people on the board right now so i think everybody's going to be getting on the board it's just a matter of us appoint somebody till january right now so i think we can appoint one person i'm sure by january yet they're individual all you know on the board yes well then i would formally ask mr chairman to both of the candidates are you going to report back to this board on a quarterly basis as an expectation that would be setting the board i consider a motion to appoint so years ago how to get that formed in the basketball program at the time and he worked with youth sports time and he was very much involved in doing anything that we could help so i know that that's you know it's hard for me because i i know that he's very involved not only in basketball but in other sports programs and in our  programming character counts here and i know him as an individual is work very very closely with that program and with the children and he doesn't even have is daughter here didn't even want do sports so he's done this out of the goodness of his heart see improvements when no replacement we've prepared a short presentation to go through that since we were authorized in june there are all things have happened regarding this project we've been surveying the existing building and meeting with the administration to get their input on what are the particulars of the scope of work and we still have to probably bring blair into the picture real soon here so we can get his input as well  ve met with mr galt's and also his assistant on what sol to get those particulars worked out on the manufacturers they prefer and then we also have another visit planned for an in service day in october over  tentatively one friday so the scope here tonight just to review is to review the project scope and some progress drawings that we've tried to brigade on the screen here i also have a paper set next we also have some additional scope considerations for the board to to think about it and decide whether they want to include in this in this project now or just hold off as capital future capital improvements and then the project scheduling and phasing and how that's going to interact with students when they're in the building and then lastly the side note we recently asked to evaluate the air conditioning replacement in this building here at the district office so we've we've come up with a project scope of what that might entail costs and then also schedule and how to make dovetail into the work on the first side here and everybody has a handout also all along with if you recall from  previous discussions the scope itself includes a new central chiller to provide chilled water throughout the building to provide air conditioning to all the unit ventilators right now they're all self contained unit ventilators which are  problematic for repairs and water standing water that's in them on this you know this projects to replace those heating and cooling units and all the classrooms and all the spaces throughout the building by installing two  and they're located where the existing fuel tank is at the side of the building facing the bus garage if you're familiar with the building and the new pump room will be created in the mechanical room to distribute that chilled water  throughout the building this is a schematic of the proposed routing a very rough at this point of how it might be spider throughout the existing ceilings above the ceilings on that first floor also on the scope of work on this drawing here you can see that these shell building build out classrooms that were done within the past ten years those are going to remain intact as well as in that dog try to consolidate the cooling system throughout the building can you say not again i don't get like yeah there's already a killer in that area there's a small chillers i was added when this portion of the building it was constructed as a shelf space originally and then the past is what ten years ago now we've built out these these the shelf space into so it's classrooms and at the time to provide air conditioning was easier just to install a small chiller for those six rooms were hosing now is to eliminate that chiller and since we're running new chilled water piping throughout the building it's this simply is diverting cutting off where that the chilled water piping comes in from the outside where th zones and so you don't have to drain the whole system if you have to repair it and how many of those shut off southern the system we haven't talked about that with the with run yet but done better to be in the discussion point with no reason i bring it up is because in another part of my life i've had x we've had an issue in a building that we're on right now and this is a terrible nightmare if you don't have enough of those shutoffs because if you have to drain multiple majority the system the whole place is down for the whole time so i i would ask we just really pay attention to that  served by a an air handler that serves just that zone of the building but it's on its own the x cooling in that air handler and we'd like to retain that future that feature of that air handler then also add th pneumatic temperature controls throughout the building to a new digital control system that can be managed easier by iran remotely the next four it's a it's very similar to showing the chilled water perhaps this is the second floor we're looking at now there's four air handlers it sit in the loft above the stage area next to the multipurpose ro those will be reconditioned under this under this project and then there's two areas right here and also in this area where the piping from the first floor that we're just looking at it comes up through a go to the second floor ceiling space and it's distributed above the ceiling on the second floor as you see here the benefit of that is once we're above the second floor ceiling you see all these little branch lines they go to the outside walls these are heating units and cooling units on the outside wall not only will they serve the unit that's possibly in a ceiling in that space there you go up to the third floor and go right in the bottom of the universe in a later on the floor bob so once we get to the next floor we're see there's very little piping that's it's occurring on this ceiling space of the third floor because everything's being hit bottom you'll see you know in shortly here we've updated the the budget and we decrease the amount of ceiling space the ceilings that we need to replace as a result of this project cost went down slightly here here's a question the second and third floor see several  in the smaller i p c rooms instead of putting a larger unit ventilator in there so it's cooling in the air needed a small thing what's the effect on the gymnasium i know with the high school we've got issues with the temperature regulation is there any is any of this going to affect that run in terms of you know there's an air handler that serves a gymnasium now that's going to be reconditioned as well and brought into these new temperature goals so slant the answer is yes it will be directly affected with all these upgrades one question to him when he said in that shelf space that there's already a small chiller do you find do you get with all these work orders do you find that those areas are not getting the work orders in the or what's their normal lifespan so we're already two thirds through their lifespan and i might challenge you when i ask you this i'm just wondering why wouldn't you recommend replacement for two thirds to the life span with the significance of the changes to the system right right right right that's what i was you know but with that with you know that replacement it's up big deal when it comes time to do this it's not such a big deal and so this is the s areas we were going to be affecting as a result of those previous slides of the of the piping that was occurring all the green areas are areas where ceiling replacement has to occur on the first floor to install that's on that piping  and as and with coupled with that piping replacement in addition to the universe at a later being replaced all the all the rooms are going to have their windows replaced the ceilings obviously the lighting in those ceilings are going to be upgraded to a more efficient light fixture the fire alarm system is going to be replaced throughout the building while the ceilings are down and basically the white areas that you see that are not colored green that's where the existing ceiling remain intact because they are not disturbed you know when you say replacing the ceiling is a ceiling like this where you don't reuse the tiles you know it's easier because of the long lengths of really being driven by the condition now this next slide i wanted to show a side view of the building to get an idea or have you get an idea of where the chillers may sit on this side of the building right here is where the existing fuel tank sits that's no longer used it was used as a backup fuel source for the boilers and domestic hot water heater right now it's it's primarily fed by gas and the old lines have been abandoned there's fuel oil still sitting in that tank that runs addressed in the near future so once that tank is removed this was a good home for the the two chillers are going to sit there and this is showing a new enclosure around the perimeter of them for later if in fact that you want to pursue some modular classrooms as temporary swing space this is a candidate per location in the end of this parking lot which would take up some parking spaces but it's convenient to the backdoor corridor or if  it's something you want that are but to go back to the home for those projects out it does stick out further than the existing trash corral that's there if you can envision that it's sitting right here but we still have twenty four feet clear  from the back of the next parking space which is theoretically two way traffic school at the corner so that's not even t i'm so this is a an update of the budget that was presented back in june when you authorized us to proceed this is the same identical scope that we saw that day i'm not going to go through these items line by line we mentioned a lot in our earlier discussion here on the next page will point out of a couple ones that did get that were changed like i mentioned the the ceiling cost it went down slightly because of that third floor of the ceilings that we do not need to replace as a result of the piping replacement likewise there's very little case work and chases we need to build the accommodate those pipes because we're going to be going through the ceiling and into the bottom of the unit so that cost went down slightly but just to the number for the actual window cost based upon the bids that we just received for the five years seven windows are just replaced a big memory in the library comparatively i increase the cost of the windows in the budget so the total construction cost is four million forty five thousand which is about one hundred thousand less than that because that's also separate from the construction costs or some related costs i have a line item here for leasing a modular classroom for twelve months this includes the delivery the installation and the ramps or stairs that you want to include which is one that would be for six classrooms you know your neighboring district ringgold they just installed six classrooms at one of their elementary schools this was this included mobilizing the trailers and bringing them there and the works and that was to own the trailers so a picture of what can you describe what they would look like i mean am i looking like a double w includes that cost is them sitting on their own and in the parking lot students would have to go outside to go to that you could consider building some type of enclosed connecting corridor to them that's been done in the past  it's really your preference the alternative to that is and you can see in our phasing plan here that we're proposing is about four to six classrooms next slide show probably shows a better girl on the third floor and see the different tone and blue areas on an average when we go through a four week period the plan was to occupy these rooms with the contractors in them and vacate them for contractors to work in the place the windows the ceilings  whatever other work you want to include in those rooms at that time for four to five week period and move those students either to those modular classrooms or somewhere else in the building if you in fact have some available space that you could you could occupy that's where we probably need to get with blair and see if he has some  at the least impactful to the students without a doubt is modular i mean so you know i've had experience with this and back in high school and it can be done very well and very easy and it really is a seamless transition children and that should be our number one priority in this kind of a case the question i would have with this if we're rotating every four to five weeks that means those classes would be rotating every four to five weeks that would be my only concern because that would be a very short timeframe and it's one thing if you have a whole year we're going to that line i just have a couple questions regarding it number one that's eight percent of the total budget in my experience as much as i appreciate contingencies that's quite high sometimes most of the time in my experience it's been some around four or five percent so i guess i would ask what is built into a potential contingency in your mind is it just an overall open door number that is overflow or is there areas of potential increase based on market conditions of supplies  what is your contingency well we're carrying that lanham and it was probably ten percent earlier just because it's such far out scope at the time we want to just allow some room to move into but you can probably reduce five percent but you're right it does i that well i understand that and i appreciate i think it's prudent business to do that i just that the eight percent for me is quite high number one and number two i would like some parameters on that because you know change order is one thing it's another thing to get into a say a two hundred thousand dollars issue whatever may be in the ceilings or whatever there is a certain scope of which i believe certain things should be investigated before him so i just want to make sure we understand what they contingency is for i have no problem if you're saying to me cost materials are your thoughts flitter stand and that is just a budget number and change but i want to make sure that we have some parameters on that contingency as terms of what it what it's a pleasurable for we would deserves a reward you know one thing with respect to the contingencies and everything and and why i'd like you know everything also to be upfront is  meetings there and alternately you know it was discussed and they said yeah yeah i will go in and look and you might not need any letter but nobody ever said if you did need that you layer and you rip it up it's going to be and i think it was a sizable amount of money to get rid of the layers so i would rather be you know all up front because i think it was over one hundred thousand dollars or something just for news and i into it and then just try to hold right i would rather know pl respect to the thermostat the one thing that we've heard with the energy audits also is that you have the ability to program them in order to save money or energy and therefore money is there any money within this budget so when you get new thermostats the staff would be trained or in buildings and ground staff would be trained on how to program them for s verses you know while they're in school but you know they talked about shutting off the lights are there going to be you know those kinds of training and also one of the things they talked about were having motion sensor li on when you enter the space mr gold did ask us about some daylight harvesting if we could have an opportunity to capture any of that with some lights as well where on the brightness of the outside is through the windows  shut different banks off the lights in the room and we do a quick calculation in with the usage of the rooms throughout the year because it's not twenty four seven like it would be an office building those any other questions on the related cost their next slide here is the additional considerations that these items have come up and questions that have surfaced that the administration and mr gauld asked that we present to you to determine whether or not you want to include it in the scope of work in addition to the previous slide so these are not budgeted for there right now they're not designed or anything they were just done putting thoughts that perhaps you might want to consider you know we talked about the first item here the third floor classroom ceiling replacement all the other floors are going to have their ceilings replaced and their lights it's your call whether or not you want to place that third f these were not areas that need to be impacted as result of the on the piping that he'd be installed at the four thousand dollars to add that into the scope classroom wall painting these are the forty some  odd classrooms throughout the building while we go into those different phases as you saw in the color drawings and you occupy those rooms for those four or five weeks to put the windows in there replace the ceilings and lights we thought might you might want to building moving on also in the classrooms another opportunity while the bit the room is vacant want to just throw out there on the second and third floors it's a good opportunity to replace the no you just said that the prices for both you tell me that it cost the same amount to lay carpet as it does to the top and what is the current condition area six graders twenty years old that you chime in on some of this because you know i think of the day we sit here and we make these decisions but you live with them every day i can look up at that list and see a few of these things that i think are not necessary now but you might have some that you really think are important and necessary and i would ask if if you would you know chime in on it because i just jump real quick to the l e d fixtures to me that's money well spent long term right but but that's a that's an actual energy issue that's an actual issue and does that really affect the learning environment maybe not but maybe but there's some other things in there that might you know and so i would ask you to chime up because if we do need to consider some of these as important i'd ask you let us know when we are placing the ceiling is there any desire to do any of the technology like in some classrooms at the high school they talk about you know making them so they could use overheads in this type of thing is that something that we would do then or is it is there any wiring going in there for technology when  you want to include in some construction scope new data cabling it's really open right now  our documents for bidding by the end of november on some of these items that you might be interested in knowing that you like some of the items are easier than others to incorporate into the scope of work evening and walk around and we determine that we can reinstall the existing windows will replace them on the first floors around the fourth and fifth grade wing in the art and music areas we can just install the windows down to gr was driving that also just coming up with that line and the one thousand dollars was because we're replacing all the windows in the building they're still windows next to entrances and doors that would not be replaced  after looking at them several times they're still in good condition that they really it's not necessary to replace the doors right now the only ones that need to be replaced if you want to dress them are the main front entrances and those are in bad condition these are other doors that come out of the mechanical rooms there are several classrooms that have the regs it's directly out of the building that are merely adjacent to and going to be a new window this is adding that cost to that as well and next line of goes away too because this wouldn't be new door access control on all those together entrances which you currently have in  system the next item is what i mentioned we're looking at that overhead view this is that dumpster masonry wall enclosure if you wanted to replace those walls and put a gate on those so i don't see the dumpsters up against side building and what it seems to me and that that's a little excessive thirty thousand for unless i'm misunderstanding what you're saying we're turning up putting a wall up of red walls here and there's two right right existing wells that are existing and we'll be putting a new wall just to connect t ok so we should do a piece of it bolted a lot of that last summer through on this you're on your own and that was not addressed with that scope so brought it into this if you want to is there any we're going to have that trade here for the downspouts another line item that we had a previous budget with that masonry repairs was replacing those metal gutters and downspouts on the upper roof from the entire perimeter of the building new gutters taking all those downspouts to is there any residual damage being done you know i'm asking if there's any overflow or damage being done where those gutters are not doing their job correctly water is going outside of th well that's what i'm concerned about i mean if you're telling me they may be a place i believe you but i'm even more concerned about any damage they may be doing secondary get on the heavy rain days we haven't had in the last couple weeks but i remember about a month ago we had a period of extended period of several hard rains and that residual water wherever it's going if it's not doing its job by going through the gutters probably we haven't had any as we are told which is good understand in terms of student safety the reason why using the magnetic is to let them go to shut them invent a fire because when i'm understanding so i mean ultimately you're getting a safer environment if someone props the door open let's say item is the adding a new lighting control panel this is going to let the building staff mr go do it remotely manage the whites and all the court orders common spaces item i think that's a lot of redundancy i mean if you're going to put the occupancy sensors in home rooms and all the hallways you're pretty much covered all the bases for turning the lights off they come on people come out of a room and start walking i mean that's what about but what if you have a i mean i don't know the timing is on those but i can imagine that they're going to shut off quickly upon someone walking through a hall and i'm thinking about going to class in session and everybody is in the classroom the lights go off if there's nobody in the hallways if i'm understanding it correctly and to me that makes perfect sense and when the kids come out the lights come back on i mean you talk about doing energy efficiency unless unless there's you know someone can demonstrate to me that you know they're not official by doing that i think that's the most efficient way to manage the hallways you're talking about a key switch being able to turn them on and off what better than than presidents so that would be well that's what we should do the decent too well that will fix that problem experience have you i mean if he said he said universities use the hallways concerns or yeah most of the university most schools do a quick band aid approach where they come in they put you're saying that we could still do it but i separate so we're waiting for we'll be getting feedback on the floors that's the big outstanding and my question with the horses you know i thought oh it will go over and see what they look like now but then there is going to be a lot of travel and work done on them too so why did he say no and they just trash  again i don't i don't mind i wasn't against you know i was surprised because there because i agreed to it everything's out and it hasn't been done in a long time it would be great and the only concern i would have what we might restore i would ask since you heard our discussion if there's any of these that you've heard us say no to that you might let us know i mean we've said we're interested in several days and so i mean you don't necessarily have to get input on that one two i have no enthusiasm by either one you know i mean people are going to realize to all this second floor ceiling is so great and then go up to the third and so it misunderstanding why he said that because if they have an obligation to protect the floor we're paying for the level of protection that they're going to protect the floor and we have to be if they drop a heavy piece of equipment on the floor and call damage whether you nineteen security camera and receptacles and i suspect we need if we go with flooring we're going to need alternate bids there too right and do you have any recommendations we've had this in some buildings and ground says because some of us think of it and think that there may be a better alternative and why do you se it's a thicker ultimately a thicker tile and it's life's a cycle is much longer so when you actually cost that out for the life cycle you actually are saving money you don't have to replace the flooring and the maintenance cost to it is much lower replacement can be an alternate bits and what i've heard from the last five minutes is there are only two alternatives carpet squares and all the tick those are the two alternatives we'd be looking  to the the project schedule here we had on this tree flea wrapping up bird up in documents at the end of november advertising for bids in december on receiving bids in january and working in january to avoid meeting and then allowing at least a month for the contractors start to hear some of the materials necessary to start in the first phase of work which will be on the next slide here is that a realistic time frame for bidding over christmas and new years and want a job gage february once they procure the materials and then they would start into those yellow areas and started the quarter on the second shift after students would leave the day in the winter months in the early spring contract show up after these future faces that are heard so this entire second floors included in that summer great work and twelve weeks didn't dissipated that we would keep the six modular classrooms over that period of time so that the teachers right right well because august seventeenth to september there's an overload eighteen yeah i mean if you have an obvious seventeen till september whatever labor day is september said unrestricted i'm restricted access could you finish phase three before you came back to school is the question all right because then you might be able to grant that classroom for a shorter period of time and save money there too but bigger is just less displacement of students it's just w the biggest issue is space five that's the most disruptive unreturned at the art music classrooms those are disrupting a smaller portion of the population but when you're talking about the first four classrooms that your maximum disruption that would benefit there  there's going to be movement of destruction keep that is about what twelve spots everybody is everybody is just dying because when i'm sitting here and i'm talking about you know all these extras there needs to be extra there needs to be extra parking there now i mean if you go to know that people park down both sides of the road that enters and people can't go either way because if someone is coming down they can't go out there well that's certainly in my opinion is a very high priority to figure that out because that parking issue over there is absolutely a problem it's always been and i think this is anderson is right we cannot afford to lose spots or so whatever we can do to try to reposition as i get i get the construction bit you're talking about with the i understand that and that's an issue but if we could utilize that open space we don't take away parking and i think if that's the tradeoff that we get with construction movement going on around kids i'd rather have a teacher  we have the township buildings right next door we've got there at the library we've got i think the township we could approach them and ask if we can possibly use some of their parking spaces during events there and i think that there are things that we can work on  if they're willing to work with the souls of them talking about the library right next door are there where the rec center used to recreation part used to be healed all that area has all three usually at one time all that i just you know even drop off and pick up one out there mr stork created a committee of parents and my ministry heirs and teachers to work together because it's an issue now so i know it or it's really it's really bad now so that's the only way and i suggest you know looking at it or thinking about it at least all the branch duct work that extends above our ceilings above us right now to the unit sits squarely in the middle of the building right about here and there's duct work that comes into the ceiling space and branches out on this level and also goes down to the to regulate how much a do you know how much of that how much that particular part the budget like because i was just going to say it doesn't bother me to see a big air conditioning unit on the top of the roof of the building when i'm coming in i mean if somebody is complaining about the sound or something that would be something but i mean does anybody else think that if bothers them to see a building to get right i mean just a question on the any fee i just did a quick percentages is there a reason why they're different between their former project and this one it was a smaller scope of work there's still a lot of effort to go into this simple reason yet the scope of work when it's not just  why there was a reason why we can't push i get the whole running east together i fully understand that but is there a reason this project we can't push this one faster than the other one assuming that any contractor that might get on both of them would still bid on both of though i'm not but i don't know that i just correct me if i'm wrong that i don't think that eliminates a contractor from bidding on both of them especially if you have knowledge of the other ones coming and they might have interest in both we can still pick up the savings on the and the you know services there described the shelf space and some other improvements that were done here on the reverse so that twenty year clock is still open there's also what they call the twenty percent rule so what they do is they calculate what the replacement value is based upon the e be eligible to reimburse calculated the percentage of that to be about eighty about forty percent now so the state would be paying about forty percent of the bill between sixty percent someday someday and that's basically the percentages based on the principle and interest cash might be slightly better than that much better that's it that's a good benchmark right now i also in the end the thing that you do dollars in total cost the reimbursement stays about the same it's almost forty one percent if you took up if you went to the optimum maximum on a reimbursed you could get for this project that would equate to a construction cost of five million eight hundred fifty eight thousand dollars and the reimbursement percentage on that the never be about forty five percent state share so you do more project go get a slightly higher reimbursement percent once you take those by the percent now but what i'm saying is because we've always said that you might never have to do anything for the pirate i'm not saying add on but i'm saying if we were holding off and not doing plan con because we might have a i'm sorry it's sutton's doesn't even make sense to me why would we turn away from forty percent person i'm sorry i don't think the incremental five percent reimbursement should ship should drive any of our decision making us not to take the extra two months of that's what it takes to do it do it right and a little of the fact that only recently has it been reopened you know who knows what's going to come down the pike if illest if we get into the system and get into the line regardless of how long it takes to repay it you don't know what's going to come down the pike in the future and so i concur i think that we should take the extra time to get in the pipeline and in to take advantage of this and this significant dollars this is not this is not nickels and dimes whatever to get modules or modular units that might totally fix the issue altogether when it comes to schedule so that yellow phase that we were looking at in the quarter is maybe that gets moved to right summer work right tarlac right so i don't think that really facts from that perspective that it's delayed the overall heavy lift really help us in the senate so right so students and the teachers and they're learning environment more parking would definitely benefit  stuff and i would just point out this is part of the reason why we went and did the most recent bond issue to allow us to have the capital to do these things so this falls in line with kind of our strategic plan and the usage of that it i've said this before but i would hate for us to delay and this is a fiscal this is very fiscally sound to be a part of this program and to prepare is to have extra money down the road whenever we get it for any other future projects we might have why we cannot relocate that bus garage in this township and pick up a huge amount of parking and it's right connected to to the school the border twelve years i'm afraid it's just that now i remember teary heart oppose that i it was such a she was on the school board the time was such a primary a piece of land there well i understand that but things have changed you know i mean she opposed to it there yes because all you know is that's our primary piece of land but i just think in terms of utilizing what we have as a district in terms of properties and especially given the problem that exists with parking driving drop off pick up there is only one easy and inexpensive solution and it's our own properties and building to do so and so i just think this community  vast enough to find out what is it maybe two acre three acre parcel even if we had to buy a three acre parcel to put the bus garage there it would be more efficient and i know i just really sound i tend to agree with them to doing such strange a well that's my point i think this cannot just be talked about it has to be investigated and something has to be brought to us because if we're doing all this work we're going into a plan come with this it makes sense to do it all at once i mean you look at where the overfull is going to have to be for the construction perfect spot to put people outside of the school you know perfect spot just absolutely the direction going back to this building so i mean i'm guessing it is the conclusion that there really isn't anywhere to put any additional parking areas around the area is that accurate i guess would be my question these contractors are not providing us with bits have they given us any feedback as to why i mean i've heard this from adam i've said i'm seeing this in other areas is it because it's school district is it i mean you're understand and is this going to cause p v students not to be allowed to play on that for a playground for a period time or if it's done saturday they can play on on monday or  when my question would be is even though they're public places well everyone within a building be instructed as to where they are because that's my biggest fear like when you say p v feels like do i would like i just want to say i'm extremely disappointed at the resignation of the u s is the principal of the high school after all the work their way into the process for the administration i'm just disappoint the issue became booster and support group policy just relates to booster and support groups so say interact does not really power under booster and support groups there is in the next session the policies that we're going policy called extra curricular activities where we could bring the same sort of approval process for fund raising activities and charitable activities in extracurricular groups or clubs the only issue is when we go to do that i want to get you know the board's direction a little bit because we did change the booster and support group policy to say if they're raising money for themselves and students are involved the board wants to approve it but how it's currently written for booster and support groups is that if they're raising money for charity it is solely governed by the principal at that building as to whether to approve or not right now even if students are involved in a charity  raising money for charity right now is the way the policy is written there's no board approval policy we have talked about the fact that you know that the buildings usually do this on their own there's not that risk of people doing the same fund raising because it's all for charity so it didn't matter so the question is when we bring back a set of regular is that how you would like that to be written also or on it to be there whether you're raising money for charity or you're raising money for your group itself as a fund raising activity the board would like board approval for it and if so we'll have to go back and now the way the policy is written for booster groups if they raise money for their own group a fund raiser to they're going to keep the group of the money for themselves and student involvement is involved it will come through the board but if you're raising money to give to a charity it's going to stay the principle level be up to the principal to decide whether to approve that event so if it is a blood drive it while it let's say is for anything let's say they're raising money for cancer awareness regardless whether students are involved in selling  flowers to raise money for cancer awareness it would slowly be remain at the principal level to approach the board would not get involved not only fundraisers for the particular groups that's how it's written now that you know i don't want to even muddy the waters more but when i talked to the insurance agent you know back in the spring you know he discussed the fact that student injuries per get insurance coverage it's not the approval of the activity it's the approval so by saying you have to approve the activity in order to trigger the insurance coverage that's not had it across the board and most of the time they go to the person who's done it but most of the time when that person is gone you know we had one case where they were gambling away they lost their wife so there's no way to get it back  right right and sue smith and i attended that title one program at t v last week and it was very informative and i thought they it was well attended and early because i got confused when we started talking about the scheduling and everything like that so once the scheduling is term and because i'm confused about what we're doing when our kids is it my i know but then we also have to learn to work a bit this this ruction i mean like that little bit of me walking in the front door and not going to there to the place that they walk through every day is enough to really disrupt that was the point i was making in terms of using the modular units as opposed to mr store's comment that there is always a solution by having a module