think so you know when i'm thinking if we get into this is a public sort of response we should schedule it as an agenda  just to be fair to other folks who may be interested to maybe schedule it as a continued discussion or be able to fit it into the west main utility extension so item c so if you i'll invite your questions or discussion as part of the formal agenda but i appreciate your coming and i do appreciate will follow up in just a couple of minutes are there other public comments  right well let's turn right to it so this is i didn't see on our agenda the west mean utility extension and income survey update this is listen five minutes my guess is we spend more than five minutes  so the west mean utility extension this is a tough one in terms of how you and how we engage citizens because we've done it through these meetings through television and through the times saying we talked about actually having a meeting at the mobile home park because we understand there are specific  so the first topic is what does it mean so how do we engage the members of that mobile home park a residence and we've talked a little bit about that but i'd be interested your ideas but more substantively your concern is what would pay what would the cost so to relevant factors that year park brand is governed by state and the ability to raise your brand is limited because you live in a moment park and just raise the rent to existing system the mobile pome park owner would have a single meter and the mobile home park owner would then be responsible for dealing with that with the residents or black owners within the mobile park so one meter for the entire  don't see it could but there is a cost to the mobile home park owner running the water and sewer system so there is this more or less than the future because the income survey is itself a significant factor because it was this one of those few circumstances in life where the less money we have the more money we get right to the lower income you get a better financing deal from the government a hand i would they are in here so we're doing sort of the traditional things we did talk about a meeting specifically at the mobile home park because if people don't read or you know you can't sort of force people to read th so this may merge into the her decision about income survey we have some sense of how many responses are needed and how many responses the folks have received today so to be clear about ok so you talk about having a meeting up here to talk through things we talked on another mailing we did put together sort of big yes and then answer guy came in which we could hand out we could both male and drop like at the actual doors that's been one of the other challenges that actually the mailing address doesn't always match the physical address different from the person who's actually living there independent contractor then that will help us understand the best financing package that we could expect from the government then from that financing package here's an example  half of the cost of the project is free then you end up paying for half of it versus eighty percent or ninety percent or one hundred percent so then that shifts the cost we do have some cost estimates based on total cost but the financing package really is very significant sort of like if you had a mortgage that fifteen percent or mortgage zero percent what you pay per year turns out pretty good and in fact one of the fainting package they have is something called negative interest which means is ironic the longer it takes you to pay it off the less you pay that's in effect what happened so i had never heard of it until this kind of example it's a way of giving you free money without giving you money you know sort of future so those are really the wild cards in the vehicle by which we gauge and it is a contract with the park owner so the park owner is representing his having the meeting and the information would be helpful and it's something we talked about before that the usual venues have me not succeed with  and the question that you know pete if you'd remind us the threshold how many responses we would expect to need from the from the residents whose responses to the survey and then we talk about how facts of the issue and again to the wild card is the incomes of the results of the income survey held to determine the advantageous this is where the benefit of financing with the financial package will look like which then gets to the and i think primary day and everything to be sure i think you're looking at a minimum two weeks yeah i was thinking maybe next week you're right in terms of telling people about it you know the other thing we might do if you have any idea the least i think we could run it send you our informational materials and get your feedback on  and more substantive negotiations with the mobile home because being the result of the income survey drive the affordability for everybody so the owner is very conscious of this he can't suddenly start charging people hundreds of dollars a month do anything else from commission members all right let's go back to a dummy which is the water storage tank update there is a line we talk a lot more about construction in new construction and we have for a number of seems pretty straightforward right so we move on from the east ma i'm thinking it also is you know we've talked about some of the highlights of the classic you know just as we target a moment for sort of why are we doing this if you talking point and what are the right way you know for tonight or even next week but before a public hearing where sort in our talking points just going down well i just think it's confusing if we're bumping up industrial projects because it's seventeen percent of our loading passy but it's only taking one thousand gallons of flow per as we get closer people are probably going to have a tendency to want to grab allocation and how much are we going to enforce this and make people get it with only what they need it i think i year that's the idea that we're going to end up charging people more or less every year i think that's going to be a little chaotic i think what we're trying to do years in a situation where somebody says least it's a move that you might need to meet if you're close to max in your past i think it's working for commercial and industrial users because they're the ones that can me actually be over here committed ok we're getting short time we have three items left sterling house lance mckee accounting issue superintendents from which your pleasure here for about fifteen minutes left the up until this point these bills have been paid by reserve that's that's correct so we have not