ok chapter three is natural heritage and scenic resources and so we've all been through this chapter on a number of times so here is our final opportunity here just three dash for sorry about that when you get a chance look at the bottom three dash for the top it says it is owner managed by the concert i want to add to that sentence so i don't sentence right after that more programs are needed to hold the line on the rules and run off threats  more programs are needed to hold the line on erosion and run off through strategies such as grass watery ways tourists is in berms and retention systems i was looking at issue number three so cumulative impacts to surface in coastal waters from pollutants including settlement home business chemicals herbicides and fertilisers not well understood by the community should just be are not willing to get period or is just the community that isn't understand and everybody else understands it or  in the community because they're very well understood so if you just put they're not understood that's an incorrect state with a very well understood by people like laurie who holds an applicators license people  like holden applicators license people who work in the construction industry who implement best management practices so they are very well understood but they're not very well understood by many in the community all right i don't hear any objections but in many anybody else got anything steve yeah on page three deaths six policy number four line twenty four and it had a bit of discussion on this and i went and i looked in the maui county code and placing this is the policy within our community plan is a duplications of the my county code and i know that there have been many other places in our community plan that we removed things as they were duplicated or c so i would recommend that we that we remove that talk about number for them for broken so this kind of puts up a related secrecy you guys got to do something and it needs to be required because it is required so could we perhaps just place in there require all grading of grabbing permits comply with m c c title twenty chapter to destroy any objections that kill us do that then comply with m c c title twenty thank you can't page three seven the top of the page you get ten and then you have eleven talks about food security i'm not sure how agro of forestry is part of food security there you have with systems all over the world food forests where they actually grow i mean there throughout the world including in locally and the reason for that is to prevent diseases plights cetera that make sure the food sources that we grow and the other environmental aspects that they thrive in  secure and free of things that would cause them to be harmed so it's and i think it's really  kerry i don't know if it fits in this one or not but i think we talked about this whole idea of buy security and being able to prevent stuff on coming on the island and one of the ideas was to actually have a key treatment facility at the as a second line of defense because what's been happening is the plants are coming from well sort of five nurseries on the big island they're clean they get down to the wharf and then jump out of the bushes on the side of the wharf into the yeah what kind of can there's a whole different things that it could mean i think that we're looking at hot water treatment which is the technology has been worked already it's probably the only thing we can do at this point i mean other than body searches on tours and just chapter three going backwards so starting from the decontamination facility when i read it because i had not been present for the discussion i didn't know what that meant so i think if i don't know what that means and subsequent partners or yeah maybe the partner i guess that whole team what is that the one the meetings over this just moments with us everybody the partnership put that in when i say small scale local agriculture because that's what's being talked about here instead of organic i'm assuming encouraging food security through programs and activities in agriculture permaculture acra f of the food security system my other comment about that was in the first part of this chapter that a let's let's finish that up first encourage food security so do all agree that we want to put in community based there are somebody that  wouldn't i would not support that because we want to talk about all agriculture because if there is some sort of agriculture that may not be community base and could benefit our residents i'd hate to eliminate that or exclude them from being able to to be utilized so i think when you say good thing not necessarily rob because you're talking about food security and not agriculture as related to food security in terms of food on people's plate here we're not talking about global food security but the particular of our island right and i can appreciate that so agriculture putting agriculture in there encompasses all of agriculture you don't need to make a subset because you have a higher view here but some are cultures not involved in food security on the island with an emphasis on local  issue in itself and i've heard nothing but talk about food security for the past week and a half having talked to four members in the ledge that actually had food security also  representative and then attending the conference about food security so i'd like for this is our community plan i'd like it to be include everything it can include corporate and so if we can put add the community in there or whatever that i i'm ok with that all i know is all my farmers are not going to be able to come up with the five thousand dollars they need to meet the new food security laws that are coming down so i don't know what's going to happen to them they all sit in class to me and i don't know how to even come up with the five thousand dollars already trying to help them g p s their farms to come up with maps and trying to meet the new food security rules by the i don't know how they go into that they can't afford to do it so again we'll just leave that alone unless there's some sort of motion or something my other comment really just truth security it's not talked about all the chapter it just pops appear out of nowhere so i don't know if you want to include a paragraph about that in the description of natural resources but it's not in there and i thought maybe this was cut and pasted from another section and decided to put it over here but if you can include it you might want to leave future readers an understanding of why you wanted to system systems were part of the natural environment and they were the main staple for food security for generations it makes perfect sense for it to be in here and included with natural resources because there you can go tomorrow right on the north shore they're still there so yeah i wasn't saying that it shouldn't be there i just wanted to have a paragraph so we could make a stronger argument about why it's there to help focus the funding moving backwards again on page three seven just to finish that thought so what's the consensus here do we want to say anything in this whole thing about food security i think if we can come up with a paragraph on you come forward tomorrow with something to bring to this committee ok go ahead ok page three seven so we're moving backwards on policy number nine says encourage and support this sta ok ok that's fine make that change my apartment get that moving up i had to number can i go ahead number eight asked about game b m p's and i just wanted to know if those were county state or federal b m p's since it doesn't specify ok like on number number eight recognise and so sports is so sports sustainable agriculture forestry and game b m p says key elements to maintain to answer and protect specify whether it's state or federal or county or prophet or whoever else might come up with something that is useful because if you start going to specific that you're going to exclude something ok sounds good but if we well i'm not i know what b m p's are thank you i just don't know what they are relevant to the game and wildlife i've never seen i just never seen wildlife strategy game b m p's i don't know maybe  use the money ok number five on the policies which is a great policy i love it don't get me wrong ensure that the design and construction of new development projects protects the development time and protects surface groundwater in coastal water quality from nonpoint and point source pollution my comment is why is this just limited to development why are we not also include row construction or repairs infrastructure and improvements for example storm water systems cable conduits sewers or agriculture for example action item three point one zero eight all of them except for agriculture fall under the word development  generally you don't design and construct agriculture and so all the rest you design and construct ok so we have that defined in the back of the i don't have the document with me is development defined in our glossary as being  that that's defining the document is it there in the back that i don't have it and i can't ask it is if it's in the glossary then that's great and someone can look at how that question it's generally defined by the county in the county ok but that's not going to help the public when they read the document or people read the document the future so let's just put it in the glossary it's not difficult yeah that's i mean you know there's going to be a lot of things that aren't going to be adequately defined in  chair we could say new development and construction because there is things like when they build houses not development yet there is a lot of construction to build a huge house on here it's not development change no i think you know if you look at the goal again land and water resources you know to ensure that future generations so you go through a big net you go through a big net over this you kind of just say ok and existing development so can we say that the definition for development would include her capture construction capital improvement projects that are new or existing is that fair to use that word does that capture everything so we see new and existing development to design construction of new and existing development well what is existing there's no there's no no they mean there's no county until somebody comes in made this change and so yeah so there's going to be element going to change in some way they're either going to develop a new piece of land or they're going to redevelop something or build a new roadway that's when we have the opportunity to and the reason i put the word design in there is because in order to get the new concepts and you have to have good design so it's not just ensuring that the construction is right because we all know that a lot of times construction doesn't get the monitoring it needs but the design is where you can really stop a lot of the problems so can we say maintenance of existing development is out merry's what is that work i guess what you brought the road the roads are a great example the repaving the highway so what it's just a matter if we want that definition to be available for the reader that's the only question it's a we just move on yes let's move on issue number four climate change now on page three five  change the wording on that sentence and this is my recommendation recommended wording and it would change to climate change scientists predict that climate change will stress and change ecosystems with some ecosystems or native species say that scientists would never the climate change scientists would never say that and we hope that some ecosystems made up but we don't actually know that well decline yet decline but they don't know they're hoping they will adopt they don't know if they will so my my feeling was more that the one where it says that some will adapt was kind of coming off as a statement of fact when that's more of a hope that we have and i realize that this is an issue that's all it is so my question was just more with the semantics of this language to imply that we are a lot less sure about how things will change then we know that they  will just leaving it like it is because we know that some will adapt because successful at it taishan what is the definition of that i mean if the bird nest gets flooded then they move somewhere else to build a nest that's not what adaptation  all right well i say why don't we just move on and let's resume what he wants make a motion to change that both of those in there my question is more the word will may is all i'm asking for that's all i'm asking for yes sorry page three point  three at the top paragraph my comment was there's a statement about forest restoration is being addressed by abatement a feral my comment is more that this document is very important for funding and when we have comments that we're taking care of things by abating animals and we are doing that and people are working really hard to do it that's not all it takes they have to do a lot of fencing and a lot of patrolling and a lot of work to keep trying to do it's under control so my request is that we have something in there about fencing not just and that it's not being addressed we're working really hard on it and we're just barely scratching the surface on this issue it's also really important part of the i want to ship plan that kickstarter is working on about where should we control feral and you know where are we allowing hunting so it's a complicated issue and the statement is so simple that it makes it look it doesn't underscore the amount of work that needs to be funded in this area when it's really a multi multiple complex issue compounded over all kinds of issues why we get problems i agree that you shouldn't be saying that you know if you just take care of this you solve the world issue that's not true so either we make a more broad statement like you know for example for us restoration is being addressed by multiple management actions or so long with laurie says for example forest restoration is being addressed through various forestry management practices and plans such as the that strategy how they identified the key management areas in the parties responsible for managing them and the part where it talks about for example the sentence right before that is saying often and dressing one thread another thread can be reduced the sentence right before that is keith recipes there is include multiple things feral glitz predators and bases species and human  to take it without the for example and just say the statement is forced restoration is being addressed by abatement of feral goats is taking it totally out of context of what the paragraph is so so i did and courage a bit read the entire paragraph because it's a mini story of what's going on according to this whole i called prancer wildlife conservation strategy and mary is correct in that and mary should explain that when i did read this paragraph or read it a couple of forest can regenerate in small areas in fact there's some data income alone where they're looking at ninety percent of the sediment that comes off of camillo comes off of about two percent of the areas if you control those hotspots you can it's huge significant improvement to sediment reduction on the reef so and that's the u s g s studies that are doing that but what happens with this this is like a little pat story and because this document deal will help guide funding and the conservation partners are working so hard in this area my concern was more that it could compromise their ability to secure funding my make it look like it's all wrapped up and being taken care of so easily because we're beating you know we're taking care of the animals when yet that's not what's happening because we move on so quickly that there's no subsequent comment about what's really happening and this is all that's there so so mary if we put in what laurie was saying does that adversely affect the whole right i think for argument's sake what i would say is for example many partners are working on forest restoration by abating for a while until it's building fencing and other effort period and then leave the rest of it stuff i have two more things one is which i love the stuff about weapons riparian areas reducing put on off ties and of oh sorry sentence number twenty four same page as a fish biologist though i don't see mentions of the conflict between the amount of surface water i mean surface water withdrawal taking water out for our use and the amount that's left for fish i don't talk about that anywhere in the document and for me i feel that's an important issue and something that's going to haunt us in the future as climate change reduces the amount of water that we have so i'd like to see a sentence that at least recognizes that that's an issue for natural resources which are i think that came up in civil war discussions and it twenty six and then back on three three we're mentioning specific non profits and there's a lot of different groups that are working on both that kind of a concept for example kanu mona's doing the same thing the whole of the valley land trust has done don't forget uncle my point play has all of the work that he's doing on the community based management area along the north shore i mac and i just feel like we either need to list everybody we need to be a little bit more general or do something because we don't want to be construed as favor of touch having favoritism over specific agencies or not others because this document will help groups get funding and don't get me wrong i want m l t to get funding but i ok so the question was we have this paragraph do we leave it the way that it is a real change in some way embody revenue comin on that page three to thirty three  it's a broad statement but it kind of covers that as far as how many different people are involved partnerships between agencies non profits community groups and stakeholders have been formed but there is a need to both partnerships and collaboration in order to more effectively address the complexity and scope of issues yes thank you mary i mean that i mean there's no sense to state something like that again it's already in there so thank you for that jeanine there was one of the things that have you flagged for and that was on policy number three you wanted to add it says animal you want to put fresh water  it's not acknowledging that it's completed when we get to that particular infrastructure that ok can anybody else from the community like to speak up at this time ok anything else on this part of plant nursery for community restoration projects the other one is missing in here is the u s d a and r c s plant material center be actually propagate a lot of the plants for the call of the restoration project so they have the expertise  two doing seed production so they should be listed as one of the partners key anybody else have anything on this section anything else natural resources you think on the action items if not we'll move on to heritage resources go back to glenn's comment on three point one point zero seven on page three dash eight kippa zero any other you mentioned private land owners on the action item do you want to do you want to address that partners i mean might want to use the community plan for a funding mechanism for federal funding or something like that where if you listen agencies then you may remove the ability for other agencies to as easily get funding because they're not listed in the community plan and it i don't know that that's the case but i i'm wondering if that would have an impact in my experience i'm not also sure that in that section there is existing conditions so anybody that you list in it would be existing people doing things and then in the actions which is really what you're going to do in the future u nder the partners i think we came up with just putting the generic n g s or community groups so that now open so that to any right thank you let's move on to three point two so you have any  highlights they want to bring  covering up what is this issue or no policy number thirteen it's to support a cultural event but do not have an adverse effect on natural resources i'm just wondering what does that mean does that mean that like for instance we're not going to support the canoe races because people are going to come over here and fish or should we read write that to help mitigate that to anybody have any comment on that i mean i hate not ok on number thirteen on page three dash twelve the last policy that says you cultural events that do not have an adverse effect on natural resources i just bring that up because we have things like the canoe race which you'd like to support and it puts you on the map although it does it potentially could have an adverse effect on our natural resources so it seems like we should rephrase that in such a way as to mitigate or support cultural events and mitigate any potential adverse effects or something to that so i think i think i had a little bit to do with that language chair in i think it had do we talked about the jurisdiction had to do with the coast guard ok right so as far as for smith and we know he is part of it in the sense where it does promote the possibility of or may promote the possibility of compatible tourism or visitors so like the suits like the pylorus for example and how that gets vetted through a community process but in that if it's positive for the our local fishermen and that's a fact and so if those those events don't comply with our promoting of events that don't affect our natural resources then we shouldn't be we shouldn't be having i want to island i mean we should i hate to be those are those are important events but we have to make sure magic go ahead i understand where you're coming from and that's been a major issue but i'd like to give our community credit to try and mitigate the adverse you know this is where  have the inoculation of trying to have something that's beneficial for the island and not ruin everything else and as far as the fishing  it's not up hurry up and tell everybody what what you can and cannot do so you have this involvement of the acuity and education process and what you're starting to get a lot of respect  they support it because their revenue base so what what works you know it's to me it's an economic balance but the conversation got continue and until they have the full understanding why we don't want the first results regarding the marine life and what you have but to say no i sorry i don't agree it's we need to have a conversation you know maybe it cannot be at this particular site maybe it has to start somewhere else you know there's a there's a lot of there are people who are having this conversation with their race organize it's been a tradition it's a tradition that's part of our i need to shut it down completely i'm so i agree with everything you're saying that we would hope that that continues to be a positive relationship and dialogue so that the community doesn't get top point when they don't want to support those  was saying too is how important it is for public to give input regarding to help this board here to make informed decisions i too would like to  say that we had asked in this situation the community handled it really well because we had a long time adverse situation was getting worse and worse and worse the way that the people  kulai and bringing the town out we're trying to make positives through education and awareness and it's really making a big difference and it's it's a pilot project that the rest of the state is looking at as well from the positive spin it's something that i would recommend is that you kind of look at limitations to a lot of these events because it's not just men's and women's race city mores single man canoe paddle board there's so many different events that we lost track and a team we need more control over that and limit the amount of please i mean the island is not big enough for a lot of stuff that is going on well in an attempt just to move forward from this particular number thirteen what happens if we just put support and manage well look i cultural events so they do not have an adverse effect on our natural resources i was trying to put a positive spin and consistent with the culture and ethic and carrying acceptable to us in terms of you know i mean it's the same idea when you first starting with going to tournaments the biggest fish and the most vicious of those i'm going to deal you know you know maybe maybe invasive species roy and copy tournaments something like that but you know i think we're going to have to really change the idea of the biggest fish and the most fish and i think i think people know people and look at the understand that but you know does everybody else on this well i don't know keep laughing because maybe you know some of the guys well you know hopefully the majority understands  chair yeah can you include item eleven in this discussion because they both it kind of reminds me when you say do not have an adverse effect on natural resources kind of reminds me of the catch all that says except on i have to say again that doesn't impact so can we lump those together somehow because the rest of the policies have nothing to do with specific action summerlee like support support and manage a community based cultural tourism so the it does not have an adverse effect on our natural resources for someone to remember the culture tourism is directly aligned with the two thousand and six cultural initiative document that is cited in this book so i don't even know what's in the book in the book when you turn to the handbook it must say you can do all of this cultural tourism as long as you know in fact the resources i don't you know from old and manageable great cultural events that you know have an adverse effect on our natural resources or something that will mean the organizers to ensure that you know our natural resources are not adversely impacted something know you know one of the problems is sometimes you don't have control of a situation and we had one situation on the west end where these guys are going to come in with all these old time surfers they go down surfing tournaments on the west and you go bring the cameras and you will be shooting them all over the world and some guy just caught wind and he had a meeting with all the surface and in the way this guy is just going to expose the whole west in and then pretty soon really all the rajah people coming into the west end so you know it was more a community based thing where somebody caught wind of it he took actions you know you call you know so i don't know how you i don't know how you approach this kind of stuff is more like i guess individual but you know i don't know down the road maybe we'll have to need organizations to do bird dog a lot of this kind of stuff you know there's always going to be issues is always going to be problems we have to try and we have to try to you know mitigate the situation if it turns out that it doesn't work in the long run we just have to cut it but we have to give the opportunity to succeed at least give it a try so do you have any wording you guys have these suggestions you know you could just develop some of their guidelines that respect island traditions and protect natural resources yeah does anybody have any objections or something along those lines known for example or mary just says if you have a marine ocean water event permit for a canoe race or a stand up paddle race and part of the deal in our approval goes back to the community approving it so if you did guidelines and those are consistent reviewed by reputable you know through a standard if you will that they would it would that would work because their concern is well they have to issue the permit so you want to  really state that wording everybody is getting tired let's do our best years we can move forward this do that and move on chair i think the issue is coming in because there's an inference of commodifies in culture and i have an issue and then cultural tourism so after all this discussion that kind of make it straight up that it doesn't have an impact or an effect on natural resources i don't want it to have an impact on my culture that's what i don't want to have an impact on but we want to support culture i mean that's who we are and that's what as long as it is not too harmful right but you have to work to make it not harmful because  that doesn't just automatically come you have to go through these processes six tourism initiative was developed by the community was to handle just that specific issue of cultural tourism and then what we  eleven obviously the partners in that are not going to be are going to be another community ok it's a support community based cultural tourism number eleven do you have alternative wording for that tourism that don't have that do not have an adverse impact on natural resources or culture and then on thirteen support cultural events that don't have an end first impact on natural resources and culture ok but that's what we've ok when you have these races they're going to have an adverse effect and there's no way you're going to have hundreds and hundreds of people come over here with absolutely no adverse effect the thing is is are we going to try to just a limit these races we're going to try to mitigate and manage the situation to to reduce any kind of so the action items on page three one three three review assess and come up with protocols we have suggested wording for that you want to read to and because we're talking on a level it's talking about community based cultural tourism did you want to add a new action item for that oh i see you have after natural resources can be and culture ok yeah that's fine i don't have a problem with that and culture that's fine any other issues in here that people want to bring up that does not have an adverse effect on natural resources and culture on thirteen it will support cultural events that do not have an adverse effect on natural resources and culture one three on three point two zero point one one at the bottom of the page where it says from culture events that do not have an adverse effect on natural resources and culture and take over on what we're adding there unless you guys want to be that in there i mean the whole thing was to try to be an i pod and i think the policy got to be stronger than that because this is policy this is not you know it's kind of just be on support community based cultural tourism there's got to be more  resources and cultural practices ok so something like that and then and then the other part going to be how we can do that yeah that i mean that's fine for eleven but for thirteen do we have to say support you know we have to say support dr anthony do not have an adverse effect on natural resources well i got another one on that one ok so you manage and support cultural events in a manner that respects natural and culture resources and cultural practices so i adverse impact or adverse effect on natural resources so would you s i think it gives a preponderance of accommodation that really don't want to do ok so let's just leave eleven and thirteen to say support community based cultural tourism that do not have an adverse effect on natural resources we leave it the same with number thirteen and then we'll have that action item that says what jen has written down there that talks about promoting what guidelines can support the coming cultural tourism w for whatever it's worth because just it's community it's our community you know and i think too about supporting culture events that do not have an adverse effect on natural resources i think that's a strong statement and it's a good strong statement but again that's just my there's a big need for d h page three point thirteen and that number i'm confused by the numbering here i think it should be zero seven now because it is zero six is right abo it so ok because there are there are issues with the entire site and what really needs to happen before any more construction goes on down there is there needs to plan it was only partially implemented and it was all supposed to be under one ownership and i talked about that at a previous meeting so i would say instead of just focusing on a historical interpretive center because there's a lot of interest in using the site as a base for the challenge next year let's say and there's you know and there's just some real major issues that have to get ironed out so i think d h would be definitely in favor of doing that working with the county to  folks to weigh in on this also but because of the testimony that we heard earlier from the b s about what has been happening down in mano y i would suggest i know there's an educational action item  in cultural practices and protocol to hold community meetings to educate people about the history and cultural significance of why allow qunu and a where you could say  and to encourage pono cultural practices as well in those areas because they're just all of the island is significant we all know that but there's just very old places and very old knowledge especially on the back side and a kind of wraps around so that would be my humble suggestion to add in with the north shore and basically is  of the river you know when we were growing up a long time ago there was a protocol in my life and there are certain traditions that you practiced and there's no respect now so i think that's why but i think over the years there's been no real discipline so is there any need to change from what is currently written there under management by the landowner after years of talking story and trying to get management in place by the campers the boaters the part hunters fishermen and there's a there's a fine line between managing and regulating i guess and so the hope was that the local community could manage their activities and get things under control didn't quite work out as we had hoped the situation in what i'm hearing too from young people is  and it's it's beyond disrespectful activities that are going there is a population a semi permanent population back there and it's there have been in the past there  was a suggestion i guess that the area was important enough and significant enough to maybe be included as part of the national park service and community didn't much like that idea either for various reasons what we have in place now is which is the effort in the community to through education and peer pressure basically get things under local management by the people that are using these places and that's one of the reasons we felt it was important for me to have time to take particular parts of this plan out to the local community because some of that encouragement and those you know statements of intention probably should be in this community plan so that it is gets  broader community support it's not just the white community that uses these places but i think it's the white community that in particular feels a calling on a to take care of these places which is ironic because it's also the ones making the muscle times but so people have tried different strategies from private owner taking things under control to the federal and state level governments looking at the situation but the the consistent thing i hear in the community as a community worker and as a resident is that they want to take care of it they don't want somebody else coming in and imposing management so it's kind of the beginning steps to say well ok if you like take care of them what's worse the program what's the what's the protocols all right thank you so we have this action item and really question is do we just keep it the way it is  get brod i mean we can make it broad for the whole island and don't say the north shore to say coordinate with computer knowledgeable in protocol the whole community meetings educate people about history and culture and significance  and to encourage pono cultural practices chariot as we are meeting this evening i'm going to a community is meeting on this subject we discussing right now they're taking it into their us family and then sort of people is is just community people in general but the north shore is very specific you know just a certain group of people that can access here can i just say one thing i was mean to say it earlier there's a big loophole and as a planner who processed and dealt with this stuff i know it personally it's for grading and grabbing that s enough in size that it doesn't trigger a permanent and there's no way that ship to you or anybody else can take take this and deal with it the county doesn't touch it shifty doesn't touch  it it happens after the fact when people find out and they report it now there is language in here that talks about training t s a personnel three point two point zero six two mediately respond to complaints but if there was some way to close that loophole i don't know what the mechanism would be but it's a serious problem it's a smaller area and africa with the number is now but it's an acre outside of the s and you can grade and grab an acre without needing a grating permit and there's no ship to review for that you can definitely wipe out a hand in an acre of area thank you nancy we moving on from this particular if you don't have any if you got something to add then we can add it if not have something else ok if we're moving  had discussion and other items we can add community groups cultural practitioners as well to that i am here there's not anything else you move on to see any resources anybody's going to anything in that section just had one comment suggestion on issue four and policy for i just want to word at the words and mountains at the end to the ocean and mountains all right that blue sentence the very top is repeated yet correct one of them got to be limited ok on the very top for dash one there's a blue insert of a sentence that's a duplicate sentence first or second page i mean is there a way that we can reach change that to stay that because like for instance hume is not going to tell me that i have to get flood insurance because i don't have a loan right so i'm on picket line twelve for dash two it's as which property goes will be mandated which means absolutely have to get flood insurance so you don't have to get  right which property own is bogus as will be mandated but then that but it should be can be mandated or changed slightly so  or something along those lines ok if we look at for three the second paragraph it talks about hurricanes it talks about tropical cyclones are they different as they are they're different ok do issue that i have that keeps coming up is the issue with the shelters and i know we had the list and we took it out i don't have a problem with that but it seems to me that you know we keep defending their we're ok now with with our shelter capacity and i know in the park section we aim to try to move in put another shelter in but it seems to me that we should in the hazard section we should basically try to put some statement in that we really need some hard shelters because basically it's saying that you know in the past only thirty five percent of people showed up yeah we haven't had hurricanes get blasted by one good one there's going to be a lot hurricanes or when i even though we have in the park section this is the hazard section and we should have it here eight and just add that in there so into development of a command post in coordination with county civil defense and identify possible shelter locations or or or do something but put it in there in that way it could all work within that same action item yeah i think that would be good but i don't have the ability to come up with specific language right now could not enough yeah so we should we have our own action item for that and we just make a new action item that says work the development of a in your point zero five you and four point zero six you said to identify critical infrastructure so you seeing it twice you know any change yeah priorities and implementing implementation funding so implementation priority and implementation funding so we want it we want we want the community and government to understand the urgency because we're standalone to act upon our hazard policies and actions as well as our when we prioritize archipelago have humility killed the largest number of people of all natural hazards in fact in ireland we don't need to discuss this but let me just show you something down below and you guys can figure out whether or not it's appropriate further down it says the greatest number of deaths injuries and rescues are from high waves breaking at the shoreline so you're talking to you given two different things like the highest number of deaths occurring from so just check that out and make up whatever  whenever correction you think is necessary if any baseline flood elevation so it's the individuals that live in those areas i got to go out and pay thirty five thousand dollars survey and an engineer to come over and do that sort of study so i you know i think that's just terrible for the individual to absorb or individual good and right now we wouldn't have been structured and cement falling into the ocean where everybody's surfing so i see the importance of this and being included as written and i'm you know  going to do it not whether or not it needs to be done that's what i want  and thirty nine nor the entire north and west coast ok just another quick one four point zero three that's on for dash eight one for dash eight there's an action item four point zero three talks about developing programs trivia materials for program reach and education better educate the community and i think we should include visitors because if given time there could be hundreds of hundreds of visitors on an island and it goes on to say and does it on disaster preparedness and i think we should put in there and response how are they going to respond to this particular disaster so those are my two inputs on that  meet here at the same time it three o'clock is that correct yeah we meet here at three o'clock and we'll have a potluck so whoever can bring something bring something if you can bring something to worry about it  ok is there anybody else in any sea pack members have anything before we close for tonight