we went over all that topographically doesn't work and the location where boyer hits people where most of this traffic will come in trying to do that and it would require significant regrading and boy a road both north and south to be able to get to graze to come in close and then you've got issues with the wetlands down now we've been over this multiple meetings multiple designs and discussion and we're very confident and comfortable we're not making our stakes in everything's going to be safe everything's going to be ok pines traffic comes out to me to be a design that makes all the traffic accident go right to the southern border connection in his part of mr taylor's improvements he'll be widening  a cleared process as to how to file that complaint and then the second policy amends the current internal review policy for any type of complaint the changes in the policy from the current practices that an additional level of review was added that the current doesn't exist currently the chief of police w citizen could appeal to me and i would have the ability to review the existing study that was done by the chief work is his officers and also conduct my own studies away because that and many situations i would not have the expertise to understand in the proper police practices and so i would have to seek assistance from an outside could be the chief in a typically i think in the normal scenarios the chief if the chief is part of the subject of the complaint then it would have to go to a different entity so by and large it's the chief legwork and a lot still to do that also what's my understanding chief the right now the captain does portion of that or question because it is certainly has a very the same person some of the other things that you changed were to make the internal complaint procedure more in line with current legal requirements for investigation you refer to  changes based on prior legal authorities you mean there were some glitches in the way some of the due process requirements were laid out i don't know that they were done improperly but they did not read they did not read in a way commensurate with the legal requirements it is mean to say it's a new legal requirement just means that i retracted some of the due process portions so that it was more clear what the rights and responsibilities were for instance the law or no hearing in the garrity warnings those are all very merrily legal things which most people don't necessarily understand good evening counsel are one book say fifty five be borrowed my feelings are very simple on the sedition given some of the circumstances that have occurred with law enforcement in the citizenry over the years i would expect to be able to resolve this situation if we had a problem with both police and citizen through an independent a arbitrator that way arm assured that there is a fear and reasonably on parsed examination of the situation and frankly i think that has that make sense from two mangles number one it does bring in up surely independent decision and secondly it may in well it may well save us some litigation costs that could could occur if the final decision in its current form was on satisfactory thank you recent developments and language improvements and i think that that's one part of the matter i think the second part is the new idea that we clean up the citizen's complaint policy an a as the person who a resident could go to if they wish to appeal i appreciate when mr brooks is saying about an independent auditor and i think that what mr lewis is common earlier was about was related to that that rashly would be expected if it was a matter that seemed to be on his scope to bring in an independent auditor someone from the outside so i think that kind of gets to the point that you were looking for  my personal opinion i think that it's a it's a good first step in approving the process and abiding the citizens an alternative for another line of appeal and there's always been the expectation on the my personal part and i think  part of council that everybody who is involved the manager and chief and everyone else would be managing tercel now appropriately and addressing the issues and that doesn't go away or change based on what's been stated is one of the things that you were proving i think you were just working before you gave this resolution is attached to the internal personnel policy of the police department does it you know it's not the same there are two totally different things any complaint that comes in that results in a personnel issue regarding your police comes in and is internally don't live by this resolution number internally and it doesn't matter what the that is that could be a complaint made by mike by the chief by somebody out in the street or by another officer it doesn't matter this is a policy to say hey person in the public if you have a complaint about a police officer this is your process person on the web is not an internal personnel policy it's guidelines for your citizens if they want to make a complaint about the police once that complaint comes in through this vehicle from the outside it's handled through your internal disciplinary personnel policy that's the interaction of  gradually little passed through here by we're going through this taking a look at assumptions taking a look at revenues that were collected and then more importantly taking a look at that capital improvements plan and taking a look at projects that may need to be years and development then obviously fairly slow but most of the assumptions in in that original report are still valid there is one significant departure would be the st clair hospital offices that are being put in a long route nineteen thousand square feet of office space where before that same parcel was only soon to have less development on it but nothing to our chattering i think that would really revenues collected over the last four years including the energy if you remember we had a thousand dollars per trip interim fee initially is two hundred forty nine thousand one hundred one dollars in the north one hundred four thousand four hundred eighty dollars in the south in the north that reflects a little better than seven percent of the twenty year projected revenues in the south it's only three and a half percent and again that kind of is reflective of the development climate here over the last several years however some recent developments of the giant eagle express up on circle drive will create an impact fee of two over two hundred one thousand dollars alone in the northern t s a so our northern fund and four hundred twenty nine thousand one hundred one dollars out of the southern states fine turning to exhibit four and five in your booklets this was the existing program that was passed back in two thousand as an eight there were a total of thirty three projects in the capital improvements planned now i understand there's only thirteen projects starting those projects had any impact fees in them at all meaning there were twenty others they had no impact earlier that's under construction right now obviously spent on contract let eight hundred seventy one thousand nine hundred sixty dollars total and then again that what i've mentioned previously some of that would be reimbursed through township walks through it i walk through for you first of all why are we doing this and i think is mr furious and earlier we have to say the m p c states that if you don't store a project within three years and when it was originally programmed to start construction and you will lose those proportion of the impact these that had been paid in to the funds already so obviously we don't want to do that the purpose we set up this whole program fact fees and we also didn't nine other projects we didn't have in fact these and then just to be a bit more realistic what that means of course time value money for increasing cost of these projects moving further down the road so what that saw in turn results in the need to find the new gap you have a new funding gap some of that was done through impact these now the significant changes in the program or number one in east mcmurry center church project actually done so now instead of the five hundred eighty thousand we are anticipating going to or dead project in two thousand and eight it turns out they're only four hundred twenty nine thousand dollars but the other changes  to incidentally these are all highlighted in your in the revised tables seven exhibit six and seven the main purpose of this was to equalize the increase in the impact these between the north and south so we're trying to do this equitably  seventy four dollars the very last line in that table shows that they got credit for those in fact fees by doing that project was in excess of a quarter of a million dollars they get credit for that however any impact these project wasn't initially on your c i p they have to be made up in other ways so that hundred sixteen thousand dollars now becomes a local funding short for our shortfall now that we need to be made up by some other local finding other th thirteen fifty nine to fourteen zero one excuse me that's yeah that's the north thirteen fifty nine fourteen zero one south goes from thirteen forty four to thirteen eighty six per trip probably three percent  but because of trying to be competitive with other communities that have impact fee we artificially lower that to a number that would not  little i'm a little i'm confused with mr burke a sign of a question about if you could please explain what are we allowed to spend the money on because we have projects listed here that all look at traffic signal and or the round about and i'm trying to understand because some of the projects that we have listed to me don't seem like they're ever either they're going to happen or if they happen i'm not sure that they're going to really be an improvement we've argued with ten dot about a stop sign and be bound by our hill and they say no so we're listen to traffic light i'm not sure how we're going to get from one to the other side like to first know what are we allowed to use this money for and then second when we're constrained because of the state road what what then how does that affect this three year deal  about when we have to spend the money to answer your first question you're allowed to spend the money on improvements that will increase the capacity to comment on the new development new development being anything that happened after the ordinance was passed back in two thousand and eight you can i put impact fees to make safety improvements along with you now if you can prove a location and it happens to improve the safety grade but you know i know when we did this we evaluated both signals and roundabouts in a number of township intersections and actually at that time i think the committee and council for roundabouts and some of these low but engines and i appreciate what you're saying but i guess i'm asking about just both those intersections you can realign intersections but you have to show that you're improving the capacity of it if you can push more cars through the intersection so if you're not doing that and you're not accommodating new development you can't spend the impact fees on one project so i guess what i'm part of what i'm asking is some of the projects that we count listed on i guess i'm just wondering whether they're ever going to come to fruition and whether there would be an alternative  doing course well i think it's a little bit of smoke and mirrors because we're putting the projects out listed here and i'm just trying to understand so that if the money sitting there can something worthwhile be then with the improvements they became either equal to or better and we can only fun to keep it equal to what the current conditions are today so anything above th there was a program called c mack ingestion mitigation in air quality that again if you can show certain planners you're able to get some of that federal money in projects like that so you have to be kind of diligent on your applications and ways to get these unfunded portion of these projects funded it's i'm not saying it's impossible it's difficult obviously there's only so many funds out there to go around and you know like i said for fewer misspoke lines we've been successful some of their projects if you have a request by thomas mcmurtrie for a modification to our subdivision warden's requirements mr macmurray owns a one point zero seven acre piece of property at the corner of was driving east mcmurry road he would like to subdivide that one point zero seven acres and create a point five seven acre lot for his daughter the lot would have access to wallace dr this would be the new law this is what was drive sweet weary or ordinance subdivision ordinance section seventy five seventy five b three requires that all newly created residential lights either be created on a public street where a private street that meets peters township public road specifications wallace drive is a private road does not meet current township public road specific ations therefore he needs a modification to continue on through the subdivision process and he's requesting that tonight planing admission at their september thirteenth two thousand and twelve meeting did recommend that council approve the modification to allow mr mcqueary create the point five seven acre a private drive last drive for his dog and this would be the lot right now its current one point zero seven acre property he can create a point five seven acre property lot right here creating a two point two five acre lot here for ted mclaughlin who's the son of different current owners he intends on building a house here in order to provide public sanitary sewer review this at their september thirteenth meeting in recommending be approved by council subject to the first four conditions listed in my report of september eighteenth and i want to point out  i failed to as part of the planning commission recommendation and the requirement that law to prior issuance of a building permit would be required to pay the required traffic impact fee for the new law for the new ten lots commentating twenty duplex units with the change to the detached patio home units there creating individual watts for each individual detached  unit to this plane simply takes the remaining one bill watts and creates individual quarter acre plus lots in addition acres of open space is part of phase two b all the runoff from the construction of the road in homes in phase two thieves will be conveyed down to this retention poland that was built are there any playgrounds or what's going on in the open space that i think we don't really like thirty five acres of open space for them to be used to and add to that that property were agricultural or the variation property fact that they pines going to have to be maintained by the homeowners and that there's a quarter sack and and i'm a big proponent of making sure that the homeowners know what's going to be expected of them down the line so i just wondered where we were with that given your and give us a long time to be able to implement health care changes which you know we intend to do some this year but you know gives us for us to go if we need to make for the changes before this contract expires i think we've got will those salary increases be adjusted for the inflationary rate you know they will not so two point two that was a proposal during the negotiations which we do not accept ok so that's our all together ok thanks and just a clarification mr sylvester this is a fact of may first two thousand and twelve yes so many of the agreement would be retroactive to that day so  and we're getting three hundred twenty five thousand from the state i would anticipate probably we get about three hundred fifty thousand next year from the state and so about half the obligation is paid for by the st would also clarify that this is the the way the process is required to be forwarded it's somewhere that is inaccurate in that it bases it on a two thousand and twelve payroll which is not what he actual this time for football junior football they move the one game down to the regular football stadium and if they want to have any board games or practices up at the upper field they guess things of that nature i'm not sure about that i mean i know that in the memo from dr zuhdi specifically he was concerned about the proper parking in improper locations on the property as well as miscellaneous thank you for the update on the hidden valley space and then finish a point you need some action yes i know we had a conversation about that a while back about that sinking