rebuttal so what you see is what you thought in total and if you don't want to be disappointed you do want to have time for but all the best thing to do is just to start talking with some time left on the clock so all of that said will now need after he pleaded guilty party in order to show a reasonable probability why wouldn't you need in the record either an affidavit from him saying i would not have pleaded guilty but for or a motion supported by an affidavit after he pleaded guilty and ideally before the precepts report came in saying hey wait a minute i was going to plead guilty under this deal  or or even an affidavit in a motion after the pre sentence report came in as saying i would not have pleaded guilty had i known that i was subject to restitution there was no plea agreement that that should be enough and in regards to the other issue there is a question as to whether there was a sufficient factual basis in the other case the arm exports because there actually is wasn't any actual exploitation and you know what the record shows him what he did plead guilty to and you know and and i mean what he admitted to  does that that's insufficient proof that he actually had to use that for the customer so i don't see why it's insufficient i mean the nature of criminal activity recognized by the guidelines is that it will often be difficult to ascertain exactly amount of loss and therefore a reasonable estimate that would not suffice for say tax purposes may well were two sets of crimes he committed one was trying to sell military parts to the communist chinese and the other was trying to pass off recondition parts in aluminum parts as brand new steel parts some rescue aircraft parts maybe they were used and they're they're passed on as new or you know whatever and so there's a penalty for that but the penalty can be death for playing for passengers difference between one thousand and twenty five hundred that can mislead someone into believing that they had a whole big safety question out there might well you know it's our position especially with a it's arguable whether the defects were material add however it's difficult to come up with a good script when somebody changes this way in the middle of trial and you've got a jury wa and my thought was you have to be pretty careful about allowing a defendant to get away with changing his plea in the middle of the trial and lying in the weeds and not objecting while there are some defects in the colloquy and then after the witnesses have disappeared and in some cases no suggestion that it's true in this case but in some cases witnesses might time but here they are and so now i want to go to trial again it's too bad you don't have those witnesses anymore and you don't have you gotten a row anymore to prick prosecute and it seems like we have to guard against that well just one brief point on that i think you also have to apart crack rocks or the tail rotor would then become dislodged vibrate in a way it's not supposed to vibrate what have you that would have serious consequences for the turban vanes turban things someplace they intend blades are those are things you can see when you look in the front of the jet engine you cannot just look at see them from the front there you have to cross section the ends and they are fairly small parts again about the size of plane manufacturer might use that so i think if it was in the time and in the record of distance that hearing was this district judge who travels overseas quite extensively studied love every time i get on a plane in bosnia i'm going to thinking well i think there's there is a difference between the calculation for lost purposes and the calculation for restitution essentially having parts that do not have they're saying they have no salvage value because no buyer and knowing what they are and not having a valid eighty one thirty would buy them that's crap even though they might have some functional utility they're not marketable i was thinking that if i had a plane and i thought these might be in it i would need to have engineers ground the plane and take it apart make sure they removed any part that might possibly be removed we condition so it would have a negative value to me if i was the owner i'd have to spend all the labor that's that's true i think one of the difficulties about this case of the vans and blades are not serialized you do not have serial numbers or you don't know  don't know about every job specifically but there are obviously people who buy from the stream of commerce whether those are private buyers for international carriers i really don't know mattered you heard my hypothetical about the manufacturer who knows that some of this parts came from this guy and had has to spend money on labor to distant bowers airplanes on account of the risk that these parts may be in them is there some evidence that would have mattered that had there been more of a hearing on and you know you're not going to have a catastrophic accident so that's one of them the other is that you know planes are required to have regular maintenance and and also there was at home next up as to whether the right