session to conduct street tragedy sessions of preparation for negotiation with no new personnel or to conduct a collective bargaining session or contract negotiations with no new personnel void in library highway water in the f miscommunication on time and place and i just didn't get the right day and i missed it that's fine the boy just like usually you know give you a little meet and greet and just write walkin all that someday i'll turn it over t ok and i think if you have a lot of times people in front of us for violations or sting operations and stuff and we do take it pretty seriously here in that we can show we have a patent speech at this point but you know if there's violations under recommendation it's the result of maybe half a dozen meetings that alex and i had and a result of the comments reflects the comments with one exception of the boy i made when i met with you two weeks ago so i'll go through the agreement here tell you what it does contain what it does not contain just as background because of the gaming legislation we're technically in an  should the board vote to approve this agreement tonight they'll be no arbitration will notify the gaming commission tomorrow and they'll be no need for arbitration so one of the things they had to start off with with the front page one of the things that the agreement does not contain is a statement on behalf of the boy did that by hand entering into this agreement you in any way approve of the project or the nature of the project that while it's in many other agreements it's not and in this going so there's no expression by the time that you approve of slot machines or game we've provided for  mitigation in three and three different ways the first is for those verifiable costs related to the project due to social impacts social to problem gambling and crime and driving under incremental effects and if either of those occur we and we have established an escrow fund of two hundred fifty thousand dollars that will be first two years we can identify it a social homs are a criminal activity a driving around and that's that's as a result of the project th those are the costs of the time to deal with those issues will be paid for first from a gaming commission funds if they're available if they're not available then from other are available and if either of those are not readily available the cost of those will be reimbursed from the escrow fund the escrow fund then gets replenished if it if it's used  if during the first two years we haven't identified any costs attributable to either of those issues or any of those issues then and this is a point that only the escrow goes away but the obligation to reimburse the town for to mitigate for costs associated with problem gambling crime driving  any year that the project is operating if that's when it first manifest itself or repeats itself if this is a problem at the beginning and it stops for a number of years but comes back to national obligated to compensate a mitigate the time for those costs but the only but the escrow is so that's how they ask it works and it's limited to those two issues then the next two issues are dealt with a little bit differently and that water and traffic and what we're doing with water and traffic is identified there's a baseline identification when the project starts there's a look back after you see what's happened if there's harm to the time it needs to be mitigated asked that we would specifically identify the other issues or to other issues that were in the receipt of committee report that i'm not specifically identified in this agreement so to that extent i would not comply but but look i will tell you that what's the impact of the project what if it causes a decrease in home values housing values home equity i think is the way it was referred to in the ever seen a committee i mean if the simple answer to that is that home equity value timing diminishing in those to the project is frankly not going to be possible home you know on the home values are dependent upon supply and demand market conditions interest rates so many other variables i don't think we'd ever be able to prove there's been a general increase a decrease in home value is tied to this i think that's not going to happen if we could i mean if we can do it's still something that we haven't given up in the same at school enrollment that's an easier one to show and simply because it's not identified in here does not mean that we cannot seek made a geisha for that  my modest and all too low fees are paid for by the gaming commission and not by the time sure you're pleased about that there are obviously looking paragraph five there i was called offsetting benefits but but basically they'll they'll hold a job fair here they'll try to use a get preferential treatment to qualify fox for residence for hiring they'll try to use qualify foxborough company vendor as for the project they'll do some cross marketing with with other businesses and try to mitigate it on compete with other  the reason i asked this is and you had mentioned before that it's you know there are going to be other establishments happening within the region therefore how can how can it be said that plain ridge was the cause of the social impact services person by the way i talk with approve these timetables you know somebody comes to them and says on a manifest a gaming problem gambling problem you know what's the cause of it it's a fair question and it's i go to play ridge i mostly go to plan which i was fine except now i got a slot collar five miles from here and see you know that's the  person's testimony about why they're having a party if they say i got a plane ridge i play the state lottery i go to foxwoods you know i don't think problem gamblers are going to just go to one location how do you determine mitigation you know i clearly clearly that establishment had an i know when i when i spoke to vicki that they don't particularly deal with problem gambling they're for to refer them out to other counselors or what have you but they would have a history of you know who they deal with on a regular basis but what about the private entity say the discretionary fund someone goes to them and says i have no money for fuel because you know they're not obligated to disclose that information to social services so they could be another layer of the problems that i need in being reported to the town and this disagreement does not seek to address anything other than governmental forms tarp funds it doesn't h do that and you know new disagreement to do that surely you can do that you can't make an agreement to require them to do that because you're not a party to the agreement right that it might be you might want to send like a notice that if you if you come across this you know please are you here they can they could contact the term you know you don't want to force them but you also want to make it available because we want those just statistics if there aren't you know  thousand we had all the other surrounding communities i believe with the last two you were the last ok and is that number consistent through all of the communities notice not one of the other communities have an escrow account set up you are the only one that has so the other one's  i'm just a question about the housing values i think i'm just curious i think if there was going to be a trend in changes of housing values that you know that happens across the board if you saw potential different change in a certain section of the town that could be potentially tributed to proximity to plainville i think it's possible i would services section and it's i think it's along the lines of what jenny was talking about how there might be might start to see impacts bubbling in different places like for example schools may have an impact at a social level that would not necessarily go directly to human services but they perhaps would be trying to deal with that internally with social workers that you know if this paragraph wouldn't address that situation this beginning at thirty days after the commencement of operations and then here it talks about looking at the second if at the second anniversary of the commencement of operations we don't receive funds then  and why would we do that so so two things will happen and if at the end the second anniversary there's been no evidence of any harm and we terminate the escrow because say she get their money back it doesn't again terminate the i mean if there's a you're protected at that point by the fact that it's operating it's very would follow the gaming commission if they default you have recourse you need but i don't think there's a reason to do that we've established at that point what the need is if they're paying it out of the escrow or they're paying it directly i don't foresee a problem getting them to me the obligations of this agreement which is to pass if we can demonstrate that we're the current cost because of the project with or without the escrow at that point in time i guess i'm just seen at the process might take a little longer than to you know it well but that's my point jenny and i'm i'm sorry rand then it made me you know i've heard that from a number of people it may take six years it may take ten years let me point out that the absence of the escrow agreement time paragraph to page three talks about on the first and second anniversaries of the commencement of operations that we would determine those impacts to human services so does that mean like if at six months there's an impact you have to wait till that anniversary didn't actually hit its week in the interim do that there's no obligation under this that we do do that but say were eight months out and we see it as a problem we need to do something about it while we'll be reimbursed for that by the time we get it set up and hired and in the flow we may have to front up but i don't mean we really do have social problems that we can you know can attribute to gambling problems and we from the town has to hire another social worker is that part of your mitigation or is that just a c that doesn't work we go to form a lot of attrition in boston and i was happy that you did look into the water issue that was that was really  meetings and you were updating us with with graphs reading through the agreement that's in front of us it looks having read the other for the other towns agreements it's a little bit of pull from their agreements which is good and it was from what i heard at the table all or in part of most of the stuff that we had brought up was brought in and it shows up in here it does provide the regardless of the number of fun for mechanisms but also be clear that we're saying if we agree then pan national pays on the mitigation there's actually two steps there not the first fund we have to go to the state solicit from the  state money for that mitigation of the five if if they say no then we go to grants or outside parties for that money and if they say no if we're not successful then we come back to spend national and if it survives the arbitration then then we get paid if not then we go into court so that's not as binding correct so so if everyone's in agreement and we don't get anywhere with the state don't get in there with private funding grants then we come back to pend national so it's a multi step process so it's not as quick as a n agreement in writing a check i also was concerned for the two years and then it goes away and we went back and forth today that it doesn't go away i would have liked to see something a little bit more than two years for the reason being i also spoke to human resources and there's a concern that the people that are impacted are not necessarily going to they don't go now they might not go to human resources so if someone's in financial problems they'll take years for them to if they go to the town and to be clear i'm looking at mitigation if people choose to gamble and they lose ten twenty thousand other house or whatever that's not the town's problem as far as mitigation it's when it comes to the town  we're funding staff in human resources to deal with that is that your understanding of this agreement for mitigation so if someone loses the ten thousand doesn't go to mitigate you need to get on thousand back but if we're hiring staff  n addressing you know things on that level that's going to affect the town that's where the ation comes from that's correct and i was happy to see the issues like dui in human recess the checks and balances in there and it's kind of the you know the chicken and the egg you know is there going to be impact the state certainly thinks there's going to be impact that's why they have that separate fund set up all the studies that i've seen but until it's there you don't know how much so this puts the onus back on the town concern on spruce street but mary machinery want to six is addressed in there and i like the way that was addressed it is going to be a traffic study before it opens and this is what we talked about of the first meeting rather than studying it after the fact at the baseline before it opens and you had mentioned it a year after but it's thirty days after you do the second traffic study and then you compare it which i think is a good time because it's still new and fresh and people are going to be probably going there more in the first thirty days and they were a year out so that i would like to see that in there the other stuff that is in there with respect to preference for fox for labor contractors seems to match the other towns the non compete qualifies a water consumption so they sign it wasn't a huge concern of mine but it was brought up with the board and it was good to see that it was addressed at some level in there in the charities in the civil civic organizations so it's got the bits and pieces you heard at the table and indic brought back and i've spent some time i've spoken to town managers in other selectman in other towns and i think you know not to speak for them i think we're all kind of in the same boat  you know we'll leave it at that it's i like the fact that there's nothing in here that says we endorse the casino the the slots or we condone that development i think everyone's got to deal with that in their own conscious but going forward if and when this is approved this seems to give us some good standing a little bit more than the other towns with some pushback if there's mitigation needed but there is a lot of work from the town to quantify it qualify it and bring it forward so it's not a it's not a quick process by any means it's almost like you need a full time person working through town in a way just to see all this a challenge asides that they need to hire somebody part time well full time just to monitor this whole process is that mitigation that your current staff cannot track you say we're getting more getting inundated with calls we do need somebody even part time to track it but i think it would be covered it's again it's think the police i don't know this but i imagine it's to keep records anyways if the chief does and right so that's fairly easy to track i would imagine on that note if the way that the agreement reads if it's attributed  to national so someone comes to get stopped on spruce tree or want to say or any time and they say well is drinking the time an effort from the police in any any labor that we have to go in to investigate that and deal with it or cover to the extent that it requires your police department to add staff even if it's just had one officer to deal with what you believe will be the you know what if it does come to fruition and you know an increase in the level of dumb concern about the workability of this agreement it all sounds good but when actually comes time to putting it into practice and actually measuring the impact on the town it's it's not easy to do that so you wonder you know we're going to easier example which is driving under the ok we know how many police personnel we need now for driving under under incidence if it's a chief you know work seven determines we need to hire  that had to demonstrate he keeps those records those those are more black and white because i'm about to go social it's the it's the wide expanse of gray that's almost unquantifiable you know the impact on the schools the impact on you know people's houses their ability to pay mortgages like it like jim said that could take six years to manifest itself look at that but to be clear john the the the the verifiable on the way we're measuring it in the agreement is if there's an increased cost to our human services department because of the project and and i would think that debbie would be able to cindy excuse me would be able to measure that she knows what how many people she needs now she knows how many hours she's a person i was she spends now that goes up and people say it's because i've been over it  and then we can verify it it's not i mean it's not human nature to to instantly run to a town's you don't know what is a good but that's a tiny people who have problems like that generally don't talk about them no i get to bed at one point well  they don't and they don't seek help through our human services we're not as nothing this agreement does for them to be clear ok doesn't it's only those persons who do have problems because a play ridge and seek our help that we can get concerned is that people will be frequenting a number of different locations including the state lottery who put it in every instance and national can say oh geez you know they need they may have come to our step bush and once but is there's no way to causes of their problem has to be this project residents are adjusting the whole concept to so nebulous that it's going to be unworkable and i agree with you joy i think everybody this quarter probably agree with you but i don't think that the way this has come about that is in the choice i don't think we can there's no you know full plan and everything is going to be work in progress and here i think it's a mountain you can't i agree i think you're all trying to do what's right here at the end that she's going to cause more you know problematic situation down the road because there is no way of quantifying there's an end of it and i don't think the only situations is not in the annual cost i mean that's there's no way of kind of coming in that number and i don't think it's something that you can reach an agreement with and you can say this is above and beyond what every other town has i think the point that you're missing is this isn't only two hundred fifty thousand this is a fund which will be replenished if it's use it is not use which everybody hopes it's not because there aren't any verifiable costs associated with the business being there that's great but if there is it's a replenishable number and as dick said if they get to the point where they're already paying they the number of duis the number of crimes you know trivial to plane the plane wreckage and you know the number of social worker human resources calls a tree getting requires you know three new police officers and three new human services workers and that cost four hundred thousand dollars a year then we pay four by the things you know i think if i'm just imagining what our first engagement will be when we have numbers and we engage in national insurance the state what the what the pushback at that point i going to be or unfortunately going to comes to problem gambling and it comes to these usually other issues that come with gambling as in alcohol or drugs or both and typically it interns who are side it does this on the record we're a member of the american game association we have a very thorough and exhaustive responsible gaming program that all of our employees are trained on this is something the we also take very seriously you guys  take it seriously and as well you should but this is something that that we take very seriously as well we are not the customers that we're looking for we're not looking for the people that are going to lose their house you know and ruin their lives over again we provide an entertainment that in our opinion ninety nine percent of the people handle just fine ok for the other one percent we are there to provide solutions for that whether it's referring them to the state problem game associations whether it'll be working with your local human resources services workers breath two parties each acknowledge and agree that there are other developments in and around subject intersections currently being developed and permitted retail residential etc not associated with s f gaming how is that determined i would because my natural thought is that anything that's being built up is related to s f gaming coming into place because there will be more demands or more opportunities for retail development more  got and absolutely right you're going to get more traffic from that in the increase from target you can get more traffic from that i mean it's not a huge concern of mine i just think you'll see right off the bat you that you know it's being brought because it is a game facility and i understand that so we just measure it as it goes and i just i don't think it's going to be a huge conce see with the increased traffic is after and yet there's an apartment complex that opens up across the street don't have to do their best to determine well some of how many those cars are as a result of that having a result of our facility you know have seen we're going to mitigate for development and then you look to see if there's going to be any impact but this is a little different you're saying you're going to do a baseline and then thirty days you're going to do another one and you know where does the level of service a b c indy come into on that what would trigger sectioned we have one done i mean it's you have to for me ok to go to the me for process and where we're you know we're going through all that now and we had it done we had believed ninety four percent of our traffic coming right off for ninety five a day ok yes almost all the travel is coming right off one hundred five so that's meaning by the remaining traffic that was in originally from route one in four ninety five the ones that would be coming from one o six in the back roads that the difference in percentage do in the end after the meet did they have any intersections  leads to that's ok so but past the plane a billboard or once merriment she goes over that bridge right then it turns into foxborough by the campgrounds to the enough of the me to look at any of those trips down there i'm not sure yeah this does look at so what the agreement says we're going to hire traffic consultant to look at it before it opens and then thirty days after they're so if the traffic consultant that we choose says there's an increase of  x based on this where does the mitigation come in so so say this thirty extra trips in an hour so what is it fifty years one hundred well you know this it's not a traditional traffic study with thresholds for a level of service improvements they going to give us data and then who determines what you do with that data again that's up to the traffic and so they're not just they're not just giving a static they're making recommendations as well so you can still have that level of service inclusion design or implementation changes they have to thank you interim for what it's worth this is this is a concern for a lot of the communities and this is the same solution we we have what's with all the others as well so we're going to be detain a motion ok i'll move to approve and enter into the surrounding community agreement between a top foxborough in springfield gaming and redevelopment l l c dated december thirtieth two thousand and thirteen in the form not to file an appeal from the results of the hearing and asked if that could be a condition i don't remember him asking us if we could make that a condition twelfth on page three james you know she all police chief or you know the showcase five last year was just sale of liquor to minors with an agreement that there be no appeal was made by green seconded by brewer so we made a motion that to a to send a letter with an agreement we can do that all day long up motion for the agreement we basically agreeing amongst the five that they want to appeal it that just doesn't sound like that's what happened or that we can do that you know that is what would happen but there was a  you know that just doesn't sound as if we can change it based on what release put someone in the discussion that they agreed not to appeal to me and you mark would go up and meet with the craft organization to negotiate a compromise on splitsville and then i amended that motion to say that we would go up there would have discussions i changed at the same paragraph for fourth paragraph down which says with a recommendation and then i inserted forward discussion to reconsider the vote so it wasn't you were meeting with them and going back to the my discussion seven paragraphs down in the last sentence it says this is one of we're talking about granting the waiver and the last sentence and says he meaning me feels it is a good concession the what i felt was a good to set if we could change word says he feels it is a good concession he feels the reduced charge from two fifty five to one forty seven is a good concession especially with there's a line that says if you're dealing with a craft organization so i don't mean that continues ok so joy you have a motion for the twenty sixth and the third of december said i want to amend the motion to say that mark and i going to go up to have discussions with the craft organization and i want to double check i believe i said on a number of topics one thing that was on my mind at the time was the topic of communication which we did because you typically don't do early sunday hours for business is this this is a little different it's part of their license as a dancehall that they have limited hours or only open certain weekends for functions only and in discussions with sandra on those unusual events when they are having an early function they need be like a service with that because that's when they put that function it's not going to happen every time they have a function but they they can't you know give you a list as a list of our functions for the entire year that you need licenses as part of a condition and you know saturdays and sundays from ten to twelve and ten to twelve thirty on those particular days so you know we in discussions with santa this is a just a standard thing dimitris to remain open until two o'clock on actually it's yet it is january first two thousand and fourteen and they will cease alcohol service at twelve thirty second discussion a one day alcohol license on twelve thirty one which is new year's eve and i'll move that we approve of one day and all alcohol license to be calling productions for their caskets create a donation of that time to pump out and remove an oil tank at the dilapidated house in eighty seven north street valued at four hundred dollars in preparation for the fire department's junior firefighters training program and secondly i were ok i want to make one note on that we did use the force used and we will use a form like this going forward needs to be adjusted already discussed it with jenny we'll put that on the