senator junior senator from the state of indiana dan coats view the i think he's already viewed the photographs today at the cia headquarters in washington d c of the bin laden incident can we call it an incident well they do with his wife's maybe one maybe he is one of the pimps he's got three and a bunch osama bin ladden in the pimp's by the way let's give away those tickets are we ready to give him one eight four five eleven  that's what it says you think i'm  married gail i don't know that's two sets gone who else wants to go see gladys knight the fans she wrote down pimps say she's from whiting how they spell all right i'm not going to answer those phones until i know it's not senator lug right two sets left that is not true we've given away four sets can you get the senator on the phone please better answer something there facts and fifth avenue crying out loud the low will be back at four o'clock senator lugar welcome to the region underground thank you so much for joining us thank you very much for having me i know you've been busy this afternoon and we only have a few minutes and let's get right to it there was a meeting in the white house was it in a white house today concerning libya the meeting was on the budget to all forty seven republicans were gathered around the table with the action and the republicans challenging the president to be constructive and to be helpful in this process have we have we arrived at a figure on the republican side of the aisle as there is or a figure that you are presenting to the to the president to trim off the budget well the plan presented by congressman ryan in the house of representatives trimmed about four trillion dollars in that plan over a period of several years that leads to a balanced budget in the course of time  there that certainly was a figure that was mentioned and it would in fact bring about a move toward balance and a much more fiscally stable situation that would bring more confidence around the world as well as in our entitlement separately well republicans today said that we really have to have the so called entitlement programs that includes social security medicare medicaid and then the defense budget these this is seventy percent of the entire budget and it's very difficult to talk about getting the balance without talking about each of these items now there may be a specific period of time to work out reforms in social security for example medicare has already been included in the plan offered by congressman ryan in the house of representatives which passed that house the modifications for people less than fifty five years of age so those are those issues are on the table they may or may not all be included in getting to the budget cuts but everything really is on the table i can't say and this is just me a little talk show host from northwest indiana but i really can't see us addressing the social security problem without raising the age to i'm not sure what the right age would be senator but i think that that has to be part of it even though i think it's going to upset a lot of people i think we're going to have to are you individuals are going to have to raise the the age requirement well i think most reformers believe that is the case and they point out to i think it was nine hundred eighty three when we had the last adjustment of age which at that point save system until this point sensually if there is a change in age it will relate only to people who are now twenty five or thirty years of age in other words there is going to be quite a long stretch before any of those persons were becoming injured their retirement zone but we are a nation that has grown older by then i mean simply social security was adopted the average age of americans it was about sixty five when they died not by seventy the dollar amount to making so much money in other words per year or over a term of years that you would not be eligible if you make so much money for social security well there has been of the controversy in the state of indiana as that pertains to unions and specifically the teachers unions and what you'd like to speak to them at all on either side of of that issue when i've worked closely with  the teacher organizations has he been very much involved in trying to bring about under no child left behind great progress in all of our public schools throughout in the end and that requires cooperation  principals but also of teacher organizations so we've spoken frequently the i s t a inventions and meetings and i would just say simply that i want to work with teachers on the basis of making certain that the qualifications for teachers are as high as possible that people advance on merit that there is as much cooperation between principals and teachers and superintendents as we can to effect other words as opposed to a confrontation we've tried to bring about considerable cooperation and i appreciate the support of teachers in all of that and i believe that my attempts to work with them and merited that support  hope they will continue to have that support do you see vouchers are coming into play any time soon i think balancers are going to be a part of our program in indiana as well as around the nation i to address inequities where they are found or dislocations of students or unusual geographical circumstances to me like why is that different choices or more broad gamut of choices available to students and to parents would be a good idea your colleague dan coats was one of the senators who will be viewing the photographs if they haven't already done that of what happened in pakistan concerning b of that house and apparently three floors as they came up the staircase into the second they found people who were armed they shot these people and apparently bin laden at the end trail going up the stairs driven a split second decision they felt that he was resisting arrest and he was shot and that's as simple an explanation but as profound one is we're going to have a can you give us  and your opinion what do you if you were president of united states would you have released these photographs these very sensitive photographs will be viewed today by some senators no because they are photographs that could be used to simply enrage people in various parts of the world to do not have a very good view of us to begin with simply are a possible source of more trouble and it appears to me that there is no valid reason to be having a general release of those photos sent or have you viewed these photographs no i have not and i've been invited to look at them and i've indicated i have no need to do so i understand now is it your understanding that senator coats will photographs if he has not already i don't know i'm not there is it was an about now today i was with him over at the white house for this meeting with the prison on the budget but we did not have a chance to talk about senator lugar as far as libya before we let you go are we getting bogged down in a situation that we won't be able to get out of very cleanly or what's your view there i think that's a real predicament and i took advantage of the opportunity for a face to face  confrontation the conversation very frankly with the president indicating to you know that his authority to get into all of this was not clear at all we've not voted on in the senate for coming up to a deadline on the war powers act that i appreciate he felt he was acting on a humanitarian way that we were edging into much more the president agreed he said i'm being pushed maybe into getting this into a bigger thing and i'm resisting that and i said well i surely hope you do i believe that we should not be involved further in the civil war and clearly not in the expenditure of additional hundreds of millions of dollars having already spent hundreds of millions of our country's resources on this war s what how are we defining what's the definition of the action being taken in the country of libya how how can we justify what is the term we use when the president used the term that he was attempting to save the lives of innocent civilians but this isn't some i mean this is not is that an official is that official determination is that what we do worldwide in any case because i could name a few cases for the president where we could be saving the lives of innocent people all over the world of course and this is the reason why i have opposed the action from the beginning indicator that in the initial meeting with the president which i was one of six congressional leaders sitting across from the cabinet with the president of the situation room at the top i've continued to oppose this and i've tried very hard to get the senate to move circumscribed at least the powers that the president has your senator we appreciate your taking the time out to a speak with us today here in northwest indiana i want to give you an opportunity to address or send any message you'd like to to our audience before you go i think it's critical that we get the budget thing completed in a way that brings enthusiasts in for creation of new jobs jobs has to be our first order we've got to be thinking of ways in which businesses large and small whether in indiana around of indiana are going to create more investment and more jobs oh if we get the jobs we can do a lot of things in our state and we have a lot of agenda ahead of us which is important in education and roads in health but the jobs have got to come first and that's job one for me the state of indiana looks to me to be in a pretty good position to attract business at this time because a lot of people all around us including the state of illinois are just pushing businesses right out of their jurisdiction and i hope that you and a few others from indiana can bring us some of that business we're inviting them right in there we go here's a man thank you so much senator lugar we'll speak with you again thanks so much that is senator lugar from the great state of indiana and we're almost out of time biggie where are you are you there yeah the area is really cold i can't i can't help it i know the phone lines are all lit up we didn't have that much time to spend with a senator we got a jukebox to do tonight are you reference ready for that actual man all right you walk down those seats off either about five fifty nine for the stakeout until then we gotta get outta here we're dragging a ric