was if he has an apple standard his house he can have an apples for sale sign if he has piece from a golf headquarters at his house if that's where they meet he can have a piece from a golf sign and if the apples for sale or some place else he can't have an apples for sale sign it is housed displayed at the size of a sheet of plywood and if the piece of the golf headquarters or someplace else he can't have a piece on the gulf side so it looks like whether we can have the sign or not depends entirely on whether that the activity that the sign that tells the motorists say organ targets that type of speech i don't get there from the statutes to tell me what you're talking about in the statutory language well not commercial speech i'm thinking people have political headquarters at their house all the time i remember when i used to be active the district meetings where people would select delegates to the state if that's the only restriction on the political speeches size of it are there any cases that would suggest that the many ation would be unconstitutional well i think so because seems like the one problem of whether they would turn him down or not would be whether they would consider the content of the speech of the sign but we know for a fact that under this law the department shall not consider the content of the established he can express his political sentiment piece in the gulf on a sign three by four without asking anybody permission so he can express it if he has the headquarters of peace in the gulf at that activity is conducted at his house he can have his four by eight sign you can have a school board at his house he can turn the whole house and will billboard and we've further established that even if he doesn't have the headquarters at his house of the peace in the gulf association he can get a very and while there may be some argument about what the standards are you know what one of them is for sure and that is the content can't be considered so i'm having trouble seeing any commercial outdoor advertising business all he wants to do is the form of his neighbors and anybody who sees the signs that he has indeed moral conviction about peace and that's a gardner will break for human beings know there must be time limits on applications for the right to speak otherwise carrying let's say he does as puppies for sale he could do that he could advertise here saying that once he gets his foot in the door with a commercial activity on soybean he can substitute should be allowed to  right if he if he has to and if he owns a tire store but it's down the street at the corner he can't put up a sign of his house advertising his tire store that's right and that's not a first amendment violation because the first that how do you get the right to put up the commercial time for your client that gets put in the door you're saying because he could advertise for sale with his house it isn't for sale that he doesn't qualify idea so i think is actually conducted and we don't care if it's a commercial noncommercial political whatever it is you get one free billboard at the actual location where the activity takes place if you had a meetings of the peace in the gulf their house some people have associations of one sort or another that meet at their house the ceramics association the peace association the stamp collectors whatever they want well if somebody want all of these cases at least in recent years that have come up and state appellate courts i don't believe that there has been any basis but anywhere near these issues we don't have any construction i don't think we even have any sort of real administrative agency construction of what these state has advocated a rather broad reading of what activity means and in those cases is the sort of pulmonary matter what sort of court construing the statute in deciding whether it is constitutional obviously what the court activity i think activity is i heard counsel say that somehow you would have to have a campaign headquarters and that we had taken that position and i i certainly don't understand this to have taken that position in this case or any related with an exception for any on site sign commercial or non this tension is not really i don't think fairly between commercial and non it's between on fire and off  was to add the word activity another thing they did was to make that exception for science and people's residences broader forded been if my recollection is correct limited to political science ok well when i did they were just trying to be doubly certain that they were not injecting content based restrictions into the statute and were opening things up as much as they could while still marked slipped in with the not like they left one other thing one other problem that we have to kind of go you are restricted both by size and temporal restriction in terms of the sixty days where it is how does that fit in with that could be political speech on a vacant lot for example correct so why case i think it's how are also fair to say that some of the members of the court or to the court i think trying very hard at present pick up the pace i have i am hopeful that we would hear within the year but obviously the work hope for good cause he says i want to get a variance but i don't even know what to put in my application because i don't know what for good cause shown me why doesn't he have a good challenge on that vested the decision over relatively elastic standard to a certain person if the mayor of this city believes that something is such and such then it is in essence we don't have that kind of requires that as a general matter of administrative procedure in oregon the oregon appellate courts have be what controlling and it would override the normal forever standard on residential as a matter of law you know i'm i'm not sure and i realize that's a completely and satisfactory answer but i i cases that other than than this one that have dealt with this aspect of that relatively new statute so unfortunately i don't think we do now decisively have the administrative agency or the state or you're not then i don't think that's clear from the rule i think the rule suggests not science must be removed within sixty days after the date of reaction i think that probably suggests that you can't renew them although again that may not be entirely clear from the rule and again i ignore the apparent vagueness of good cause and just substitute those two things or those just examples and good cause could be a thing else as well i think they were intended to be examples i think if it were necessary to save the constitution court which have nothing whatsoever to do with science but do have to do with article one section eight and that have raised the issue of the court's whole methodology for analyzing issues under that state constitutional provision so all of the exceptions that that i mentioned in the dissent the panel that sent the state has not had an opportunity to attempt to advance any rationale for why some of those might be necessary now in some cases it may be at least  extent self evident why public safety signs would be perhaps a good idea in the state might have a really strong justification for them in other cases and minutely i think the state would would need an opportunity to put on a rationale because it's  crusade might make sense is the idea that people who have onsite signs are less apt to change them frequently and that may be therefore less distracting to motorists and the idea that because  signs on people's barns somebody had come around and ask them to put a one of paint their barn with a sign that advertised dr pepper some chewing tobacco and it seems like a very small amount of person could decide he had the opinion that boards are better cars or use yahoo is your internet search site and people put signs on billboards of their houses for that it seems like activity to mean anything has to mean something people come here to do attributing some rational purpose to the people who wrote the legislation the sighing would be here's why you might want to turn off the road and go to this place if you're interested in buying apples or going to the peace in the gulf meeting or whatever that would be the function of the activity exception and i don't disagree with you although i have to say that the organ supreme court is very much into being literal learned hand was the order