continued public hearing for forty nine cock road which is a two story dition on the front of a house we will follow that with a new public hearing for a fifty one to fifty three baker street which is a proposed two family home  then we will discuss the belmont high building project planning board has designed site play and review responsibilities before that will follow that if that's not enough with a discussion of the marijuana by law forum which will take place june nineteenth in the street center and we will follow up with the discussion of potential cases and  if we have any we will at this point we don't need to read the public hearing carefully right we'll continue the public hearing on forty nine karl rove so does the the applicant the we move when we moved to the front of the building forward with the stairs and we thought that we were obligated to look at the set backs up and down the street and to determine how the this addition to the geoffrey spencer and steve pinkerton look more closely at the micro ecology says so to speak of the neighborhood and i'll let them do you want to leave this question if sure initially we actually were looking at the houses immediately to the right of the the property and the two houses there were set back twenty feet and we were not had braces in the past and and in fact two of the only conforming houses on the block are the ones that are immediately to the right of the applicant's home so in looking at it we discovered that in fact the streetscape there is quite varied and quite interesting i mean there are porches that go close as close to the street and some closer and steps that comes down from it is the same way especially even across the street for example so that in taking that larger look what we found was a really click tick was i urban neighborhood different from others in the surrounding s r c neighborhoods which tend to be more lined up because they were done as subdivisions essentially  and this was a much more eclectic environment so my take on it is that this would be perfectly fine i'm still a little concerned about the steps in the stoop and i'm wondering if there are any ways to to mitigate that right now i know that it goes sideways and that's undesirable i understand that but anything you can do to to soften that even with plantings additional plantings along the sides of that stoop you've got a good landscape plan that already does a good job i think problem so that's that's our summary and i think it and i want to thank the work of spencer for digging into that and writing us with the details on that i think that one of the things that we've learned as we've been going forward on things is that the district application of some of the zones and we're here in a special permit process and that gives us some leeway in terms of that and some of the neighborhoods that we see are more cookie cutter very good good luck good luck we we had at this point have a new public hearing for fifty one to fifty three baker street which at this point is lot that has a semi industrial use and is being proposed for a two family home this is in the general residence district mr pinkerton you want to read the public hearing those notices here but given the belmont planning board will hold a public hearing on tuesday june fifth twenty eighteen at seven pm of the board of selectmen meeting room town hall four fifty five concord after consider the application a couple occasion of anthony j saka for two special permits under section point three use and four point two point one point two reduce want size in order to construct a two family home at fifty one fifty three baker street located the general residence town in district with the applicant over the do we want to have the the architect go through into or just describe the improvements the size of the improvements does he want to do that at this point or do you want us to begin to discuss the size we haven't talked about the size to go at this point unless you have questions about the numbers we're going to sort of go through the numbers and talk about how it fits in the neighborhood you through the metrics sure and that's ok and this is just to give we're going to go through and spencer has these and what we will basically do is will will place this generally with in terms of what other improvements are in the neighborhood of the buildings are in terms of size of the things of the standard things that we do so that we can just talk about those things and then we'll come into a discussion of the proposed development that time sens then i also think we can walk you feel strange so that everybody can see the illustrations of the of the improvements we can see the light and we can see the elevation so the commercial uses along brighton street as proposed it will be a two family which is consistent with other uses in the neighborhood existing lot size is six thousand eight hundred ninety three square feet the average lot size for a two family in the neighborhood is six thousand and forty seven square feet and so does the average overall the average for two families is five thousand seven hundred seventy three s existing t l a there is no existing t l a it's a vacant lot proposed delay is three thousand six hundred fifty eight square feet compared to the overall neighborhood average of two thousand five hundred thirty six so that the average two family in the neighborhood existing if they are as zero proposed as they are is zero point five three the neighborhood average is zero point four four and the neighborhood average for two families is zero point five one so it's point zero two larger than the two family so it's in the ballpark of the two family that's right existing bedrooms i've put it in is eight since they are considering the ability to turn the family room into  bedroom but if the neighborhood average is four and a half and then the neighborhood average for two families is five point t we have some landscaping at the top which coral sure we'll talk about later then we have grassy areas for both of them with the bottle fence dividing it and then we have a shrubbery in the back  k so that's that's the site plan with the landscaping in place let's walk through the the exterior of the building of this so this is the front elevation right and on the front elevation we can see it's divided it's mirror images just of each other so you you walk in you have a door you go this way you have to floyd you feel this well that's the frog we also have come back of we also have those without discussing the architecture too much here we have to bay windows to bait the warmers that are coming out here on either side and you'll see one so this is this is the first work so we have they're basically mirror images of each other although we did know i'd make a note to the architect that he did know that there then the second floor each of them has so we have one of the other two three so we have four bedrooms on the altogether three on the second for ok so that's basically the building so before i'm going to ask the board what their comments are on this but the the the concerns that are are raised the  the the general residence zoning so let me just talk about bulk and mass kind of issues before we get into other kinds of things and we'll ask the board what are their their responses to this because i believe that these are the issues to talk about first before we talk about the placement of the windows and the architectural issues in leeds getting shoes let's talk about sidewalk and mass and talk about the zoning special permit process we basically have here we have a watt that's a little bit smaller than what would be required for a two family in the general residence district it's not a watt small it's close we have front of fifty feet which is very typical of the general residence district and very typical of when these houses were built i think my house in the general resist district has got a fifty foot frontage on that this is owning changed as you know as a result of the citizens petition and twenty thirteen the zoning changed in twenty fourteen twenty fifteen for the general residence district and there was an allowance for  single families that were five thousand but for two families it was pretty clear that the two families had to be on the seven thousand square foot lot but in particular the two families had to have seventy feet in front of john and you need seventy feet i believe to get to curb cuts so i'm just ticking off a little let me just walk through here the special permit items so we have a special permit we have a special and then part of the special permit is size frontage ok and size frontage and use significant thing so we we have to consider those we understand the context of this in the neighborhood and it would be an improvement in terms of the neighborhood so we'll consider these as we also consider the size of the propose development which is quite large so let's see what comments we get so my sense is that to begin with we've got issues in terms of the frontage for the use we also maybe can do something in terms of the size of this at some point but let's talk ed do you have comments on this my primary comments would be potential actually a mess i think at the bottom i think there's a lot it's probably large enough to accommodate a two family dwelling on it i think there's a way to do it with my primary concerns are with the front facade of it and looking for a design maybe that harmonized a little more with the i agree it's an eclectic neighborhood but it's an eclectic neighborhood made up of traditional styles and i think this one is a little bit of everything and i would i would argue that it could use a little a little peer review to help it fit into its place a little how both the size of the of the proposed improvements we're for an aging place living situation you know that's a lot that's a lot of square footage to maintain and a vacuum to take care of i think it could be like a see if they attempt to make it a little more compact i think the dormers on the side are also a kind of a unnecessary distraction i don't think that they don't buy a lot of additional usable space upstairs i think i think we can come back i think there are number of issues in odd way i'm i'm surprised in the aging him i mean if i saw this i would have thought of us ok but the words aging in place made me wonder why one build side by side two story units instead of one ground floor unit that's a little more compact with the second welling unit of bob i mean i think a two family fits right into the neighborhood i went up and down the street you know it's just this feels a little big and i was just sort of curious because usually when i hear aging in place it's you know it's all on one level that's wh i went through the list that actually was provided in the film the fact that i think from the applicant and this the proposed thirty six fifty eight total living area would make it basically the largest two family on the  block it it's not in line with on that block it's the largest two family on the block the others the other the larger houses there is a three family that's bigger this one's actually bigger than one of the three families on the phone book so it's a very big house  far as that goes and if in fact when you look at the entire neighborhood of there are fifty five two families and this would be the fourth largest it's a very big house and compared to the houses next to it on either side my hats off to that but moving back to the point this is half again as big as the two houses that are next to it it produces i mean if it is half again as big as fifty percent larger minutes to neighbors it's a it's a large boat on a small dock is the way i look at it and most of the houses basically go in are safe twenty seven twenty eight feet wide by forty forty two feet deep and this one is two twenty nine which is a trivial difference thirty centrally but sixty so it's again half again as deep and that's where that bolt comes from and that concerns me it's a much bigger house than the the house is in the neighborhood and i think part had them move the house over kitty corner and if it move the house over i mean from my point of view i think we're just talking about point so i think any improvement that gets made to the swat is a better fit for the community ok and for the neighborhood concerns have to do  with the front edge which in the general residence district it was very clear about that when that went through town meeting that for two families the seventy feet and we're not just a foot off here we're not just ten feet off we're twenty feet up on this which is a slip stansell amount he could he could build he could get a special permit straightforwardly if he wanted to build a single family house because he'd meet the requirements in terms of that so he's asking us for something different he's asking us for to extend the special permit and to go beyond what the front pages that we have to weigh that in terms of what the effect is on other places if we allowed that against the improvement that they would be to this to the to baker street and the neighborhood there that being said before we go into the particulars of the building and everything  my sense is that given those concerns we'd like to see the size of the buildings reduced but i think i think the hearing agreement that we think the pose building is too big and we would like the size of the building reduced and then we would consider the the wa seventy foot front each of which i think is a substantial stumbling block and to curb cuts is the stumbling block to just the issues of size size and mess what's on the table now is that we think they should be reduced in the architect talk about that on your client to talk about that but i think that's where we are at this point so we will in some way are not against going again the general residence district is the over development of and that's what the zoning change so we're looking at designing so we got black letter zoning here the special permit process allows us to consider other factors in that so we're telling you we're considering other factors we'd like you to consider the factor of  ok and so perhaps you want to either now war later talk with your client about that at talk with mr wheeler and talk of a size in terms of this because i think it's more appropriate to have that discussion at this point then for us to go through the architectural details and the site design process general obvious question becomes  it doesn't take into account what that number includes into the terms of the house is the is the is the applicant going to get what he wants yes you know understanding what the applicants needs or are important to this process as well  it shall be among other things consistent in scale with the neighborhood and this is bigger than the neighborhood for the most part so we need to get it down into some sense of scale so it could be bigger than the median it could be bigger than the average but it can't be the biggest house on the block or close to that for two families or two families so i think we need to be booking smaller and i would say you know i don't know if i have a number  i think that's up to you to decide what what is how what size building could you make that smaller and accommodate the coins needs i mean i mean i believe that the we've worked with the architect before and you probably have would be able to do something he's a very good architect he's gone with the board before we've we've done a couple of projects where we've gone through a similar kind of process and has been able to reduce the size of the building but keep the livability of the proposed  house in in line with what the application needs so that's my sense he's he's the one to help you there he's the expert does anybody here have a comment in terms of s we said two thousand square feet that's not going to do it i don't think that right so it's someplace it's someplace in between two thousand and thirty six hundred some place that is you know the biggest just not the biggest on the block something a little bit more in scale with what else is there and you know i have the numbers if you guys gave us you've got some other numbers but we got the idea here and we're looking for something that's more in scale with the other two families on the block not half again as much as the immediate that's a pretty big way to talk with so talk to find the architect and you can come to jeffrey and talk to jeffrey about that and one of us can be in the meeting and we can talk about that and then we come back to the board and talk with the board now this is the alternative so the so we're probably presenting you with what our concerns are the alternative is you build a single family house so if you want to build a two family house you get a reduced the size that's what we're telling you you have to figure out something that you can live with and we can live with on that and that will be a process that you work out among yourselves and talk to jeffrey about that  so today's the fifth that's two weeks right well you know it's not really two weeks two weeks meaning you know yeah and then we have to have it before that we may want to give it into july i mean that the nineteenth is going to be a long meeting and they'll probably end and there will be a discussion vidis gushing between you the client in the architect and then there will be a discussion with community development a member of the planning board so two weeks may not be enough time because it's like we got to have a thursday before that both sides pay all the way to the back there's no there's there's very little done landscaping directly in front of the house but in fact the walk is paid to both sides  grid and i understand i've i've i've lived in a place where you had to negotiate with the neighbors to pull out the cars it's true but the fact is the fact that we're paving everything but the at that point so when you can sit sit or side consider some landscape ok on the sides there so it's not just all national so but we won't talk about the other architectural issues in terms of the house will talk about those when you come back with with with the change point because might though the way i think is reasonable to do this if you do the most important thing first and then you come back with that and then we can then we can deal with the architecture and those kind of issues so we'd like you to take a look at the size of ok and we'd like you to reduce the size and we would like you to think about on the front  the driveway comes in maybe this happens when you reduce the size that there's some landscaping on that ok so this is us trying to help you in terms of this creature first and the and the alternative is the single family house so we're trying to help you do a two family house here ok so we're trying to help you do the two family house frequently you've got like this year driveways i mean there was somebody puts a fence in there's only one way i mean that's that's that's one of the issues with these small lots is that you get stacked parking you get issues with if you've got two floors or you get the side by side thing so carl karla's is our landscape architect if you get a response to that  everything except a standard driveway with a side so that it is a great improvement over what is there but for the people in the neighborhood what they see is a house and paving and that thank you is there anybody else who'd like to speak sir just remember to introduce yourself though i mean you should understand we are not unsympathetic to you in terms of we're not unsympathetic to the applicator to the neighbors in terms of this we're trying to figure out a way to make this work side if you had to go marchesa dozens of over and under two family houses and that would give you a little bit more room to the for the planting and the driveways and you can age in place easier on that  thank you we have other cover was going for it remember to introduce yourself we always have to say that because the people at home and as we're recording it we don't know who it is to be  we have any other comments from the audience at this point with the look at like to say anything else before we  ok i make a motion that we continue the public hearing until july tenth that's agreeable with you doing here second all in favor right thank you very much first time visitors to the planning board i think you should know that that lots of things that used to be done in belmont this board is no longer able to do under the amendment that passed at town meeting and so we're trying to work when to to meet with people's expectations but also of the the the mandate that we were given by the town meeting in twenty fourteen twenty fifteen when in general r discussion on the belmont high building project  we'll do you want to introduce the people that that are here because we know that the planning board has introduced everybody else to the audience and then we can begin the presentation so thank you thank you members of the that's right for it civil so go ahead bill so tonight's program is an update from when we were here last last month and were two months ago actually i think now and what we want to do is update you on what we've done i know you had a series of questions a little over fifty of them and we try to respond to those and i think you probably have comments on those responses we'd like to hear that today and we've given you some other information about the site features through some exchanges and maybe their questions on that that you want to ask tonight i want to give you a quick update on our schedule just so everyone knows we are in the final period of a phase called schematic design and that's where we are defining the scope of the project and in enough detail to establish a project budget we will submit that package to the s b a on july eleventh that's not a long ways away but that doesn't mean our work is done however it will take a pause will push the pause button w continue to discuss with belmont things that are right but we will be working with the state to establish the final project funding agreement their commitment to belmont as i said last night a town meeting you know we're looking at a state grant of seventy five million dollars so what we want to do is we want to continue the great work that's been done with the committee and with the town folks and providing great input and you guys are critical to that with a successful vote in november sixth as the election for the general election that will have the debt exclusion will be continuing design into to the next year and continue dialogue and actually incorporating the the finer details of the projects so right now we're trying to make sure that we defy the project so that we have a good understanding of where the costs are as i said last night the project total project cost two hundred ninety five million dollars you know that's that's a pretty real thing you know so moving on if i  we are not going to be voting at any point going on on a design for the for the building and the site before july eleventh that will if you get the funding and then you come back to the town which let's say that's in the spring that will happen sometime in the spring and that will be a process of its own but at this point though from our point of view we need to be comfortable with the project ok we're not approving it but we need to be comfortable with it going forward and we need to point out issues that we think are issues so that if i understand this is correctly so that in terms of the cost ing of the project nothing that's going to be done is going to increase that because you can't go over the cost right we are held to very strict that's the so you're so perfect so our thing so the questions in the issues that we raise and things the financial implications of those we want to make sure that we're we're clear about that and then you'll you know you'll cost those out and everything so that when we come further down the line and actually do the design and say plan review that we're not going to cost you any any money ok so i just want to be clear about what our role in this process is ok but i think i would just add that this is  this maximum cost right now and that that does mean that going forward there is flexibility with certain items for for things to change or to evolve things like circulation for example you know if the  road if the driveway connects here or twenty feet over it's not that's not going to represent a major cost delta so things like that we do not necessarily need to be one hundred percent resolved by july alone and that's what the building committee needs to do is  make sure that next year we can capture those changes and the cost cannot change if you could you can't change can't go up could people be up it was down so with that i think we could we could start to thank you again for the comments we're trying to hear your comments even even if you think they may be strange it's our design team is as a good listener and they've been doing this now for a year almost and that's what you see in front of you this fantastic solution that we're going to present tonight so with that book sh i and over yes thank you so much for the opportunity to present again to you night our presentation is generally comprised of three sections well look at some of the site features and we have some more detail in response to your questions the building  itself but we're going to go over that pretty quickly because we presented that last time we know you're not interested in the internal features as much and then we have a virtual tour and i think that will address your question relative to the building its relationship to the pond  and the entry and it's much easier to see virtually because you get your perspective of the building so that's nice that we have that schematic design and we'll do that last book we were going to we're going to bring the physical model i think we talked about that but she convinced me that you know site plan as it currently stands we'll start with the entry points we've maintained injury points on concrete avenues and hidden with two way traffic around  building the north side of the building we are maintaining a call off meeting the existing parking on site on the waste of paris field seventy west of paris field softball baseball soccer field and ball fields again we are trying to meet the existing program off the  school with the exception of the tennis courts to fit the rest of the program on the side of a soccer field hockey feel soccer field football football it cars field and  multi use path that i was talking about and you can see kind of a generous landscape where we really want to preserve the character of that existing vegetation around the pond in the day you see the this is the here you can see this service area that reprofiling we're proposing back in service area i'm just due to the type constraints of the site where you can also see the entry for the middle school so this is the pinch point on the side between the existing field house and property on the if you go actually go to two slides for one so this is showing the existing condition where you have the m b t right way this is the property line as it exists and sloping down from the railway embankment is currently thirty three feet between the edge of the bowling and the property line and there is an existing twelve the chain we are proposing that this twenty foot so that the proposed drive which is twenty four feet or the length of the driveway will shrink down to twenty foot in this ship a small section behind the field house and will have occurred there if we if need be we will takes the school department takes full trailer loads of food on a regular basis weekly so there will be full trailers coming in there as they do today it's no change to the coming once a week but once a week so  planting plan as proposed but at this point in time we're really early interested in planting from a scoping perspectives that means identifying the sizes of trees and the nature of the vegetation  we won't spend too much time here but the general idea is that we are trying to have a balance we do envision that the scope of this project captures the north side of the pond and we want to have a balance between creating views to the pond but at the same time protecting the vegetation along there and ensuring that  question so that's what you want to know ok so the high school building committee has received requests from groups that are outside the school system wrecked apartments and the brandy grant foundation i have some comments from that will hand out at the end but i understand that this will be this process of lighting fields it takes a different type of permit so we want to propose here is that we don't get into discussions of lighting but rather that we were going to carry the cost for lighting right now as we've been here in our estimate and we're going to wait until it's the right time to reconvene and discuss lighting so the so the public is going to pay for the lighting no one's going to put lighting in until it's approved by the planning board and ok i just trying to understand what you're saying what i'm saying is that for this exercise will show the lighting so that we make sure that we carry the cost should  i want to back you up did i hear you say that it's not something you folks have authority to prove no no no no no that's what i've been saying that we won't be approving that in this a plan so we send a plan for the high school to be coming to us in this ri so what we want to do is actually start that dialogue next year early so that we can have a discussion about site lighting and then when we do bring the plans for approval later on next year that we can know that we're doing lighting we're doing lighting or that we're not doing lighting was it makes sense you know it's it's you putting it in one pocket here and you saying it's not part of it but i may take it out at a different it's in the scope of the project i was informed or at least i thought i was informed that it would take us it would take a different planning board meeting to discuss sports lighting he's talking of prove  that we're carrying the cost for the fields currently east of the building so it's phosphate baseball last softball and we're getting a cost for this one as well so today varsity softball has look field albeit a pretty old varsity baseball does not there is not so if we we are moving varsity softball from behind the mobil station to the site east of the school and the proposal is to bring with it a new lighting package more modern so it has that's obviously different side of the different neighborhood different area and on the equity of sports there was a discussion of whether or not the voice varsity should be also lit and so there are arguments for that but we don't want to really take today's time for does today and sports lighting has come a very very long way and so sure very quickly exactly so it's just this is kind of a more traditional system from the ninety's of two thousand which that model that lands or you know we talked last time about the entries and then we some of the features that were being reused in the field house in the small gym in the pool none of that his changed so i think at this time it's good to go to the model we have a life and we can talk about some of the material of the of the building i know there was discussion about the entry and the how compressed that entry should be or shouldn't be in a relationship to the pond and if you have any other particular questions you'd like us to address in the modeling you can either call it out while we're going through it or  school so it's basically a four story building with a transition from four on the left to three on the right and you know to see that in some of the perspectives the roof plane is basically all p v we have no mechanical the roof right now so it's a very clean roof which doesn't add basically would be a fifth floor or height to that and the building is organized with most of the supports up on the ground floor in the center with the classroom wings off to the left and right so the dining is what we were looking at and cycling here in the center so this is just the primary path it comes out to conquers a kind of a pedestrian in tree which will bring it into the school so this becomes the entry towards the four storey piece which is the upper school we could in the next and then kind of just moving in a little bit the building is organized  on the edges with a series of arcades which get kind of coverage towards the front door the building is also kind of organized and layered with a base a middle and a top and some projections are we're kind of looking at as the windows are one of the features of the actual classrooms and so beginning to break the thirty foot classroom down with a kind of a nice kind of special component in the classroom to go to the next when just moving around the left as you come into the drive that was being described earlier and come around this this is the point this is a three hundred feet back from concord so this is where buses and cars will enter the building basically drops to a tall story and a half on the north so that path that we were describing on the right that kind of civic approach from concord so we're a little further to the right here in one of the one of the things about the massing his it is it's fairly narrow in terms of with so it's only about about sixty feet wide on the ends of the building which is helping break it down but one of the things moving as you approach and this would be actually much brighter it's the south side of the building a lot of daylight  the dining and a lot of the central share programming is sits in the center again with the classrooms kind of wrapping around and you can begin to see some of the actual terracing and steps in the landscape which kind of breaks the building vanishing we've towards u right so we're just going to move forward with this so you're kind of in and this looks a little dark so it would be much brighter in real life but you can actually see this here what we're proposing is mostly  glass there is an outdoor terrorist base here in the intent is that this is fairly transparent the base is solid with the idea of a bench and some of the actual cast own material that we're proposing for the base so then you can see there's a transition here from the four story to the three story on the right so if we go to the next one chris is kind of walking around the center how we're defining it so this is a look back towards dining on the right the four story the classroom waiting beyond to the left and then to the right here is where we started the lower school lower school dining room and if we go back one more so just an overall view one of the things working on is we have the art classrooms on the edge here we're talking about an idea for a lot of doors and outdoor access to a terrace here along the end which kind of connects the indoors and help doors and then you can see some of the elevation transition with outdoor seating and tears landscaping the lower school the lower schools to the salvation from the field looking back at the two wings waiting on the left wing on the right has a similar language and articulation in terms of the what we're calling the pop outs are real to the classroom with a clear identity of the entry being at the center so if we kind of move to the next one we're just kind of coming around to the actual country driveway so the entry driveway which you see on the site plan handicapped parking up front so why don't i think at this time it would be good if you wanted to talk about some of your questions issues comments that would be great then we can go and look at site design the building itself i'm not going to go into that the comments were were basically just the questions without a question mark on the team really no questions right and we have just for the public to let them know what's transpired since since we've asked matt so question what is their purpose their traffic report that the board can review yes that is that was made available to us miss out on act there was we have asked for a breakdown of parking use by category of driver so that it's faculty visitors students we've asked for some more detail on on students offsite circulation improvements just describe rich intersection become a three way stuff again another question about differentiating student staff parking drop offs concord ave drop offs the feasibility of implementing that in order to keep vehicles off of off the campus staggered the possibility of staggered start times again to spread the demand hours to spread the peak hours out over over a longer period of time and we have discovered we had it we had some i think there were some in response to some of the questions that we asked there are some answers to all of my almost all of them i think we're just it's a little bit of pending information on a few of them still the reading although the sections the sections that you saw in the presentation today were specifically requested to help to help provide more  detail like on the pitch point behind the school there specifically and also on the terrorist area in front of the school i think carl's question of the placement of the building it's very interesting to see this do you still does not beneficially alter the experience on the edge of the pond thing that it actually does because it provides you room for a double or triple row of trees so my question was how was the shape of did did this wing come first and then this filled out that the driveway plan or the other way around it seemed like it would be almost a no brainer to simply swing this a little bit this way and then have a room so that instead of the high school completely breaking up the veterans memorial pathway and the roof it but he did tree walk that you could make the high school the high school be a neighbor of the path rather than breaking up and breaking into that that there's no there's no landscaping on this walkway on on the up side and if you swing this around you has has trees on both sides and that's what the section shows what what you're seeing as as a wider path is the emergency access slash main pedestrian access that separate but it's not the intergenerational it's not the stone path that's that's surrounded by trees the intergenerational past is a new name for what used to be called the room and just walk and the veterans memorial walkway and he does that it was in vision as a complete loop and by by cutting by leaving out all the landscaping possibilities on the walkway side of it you you make that so i suppose so one rising into the walkway so i understand what you're saying that's  that breaks the feeling that you're that high school is guest on the edge of ok can i respond can i just respond to that briefly if you go to the same plan i think it's really important for you which don't know you understand this but it's a simultaneous process we are dealing with the implementation of all of the fields circulation the pond the constraints the building square footage all of these things together so we didn't come up with one attribute on its own and it was it was it devolved so i completely i think we would understand the more trees the better and the more buffer the better but we have a pretty constrained site and we still have to get all of those elements within the same plan but my question is that it looks like this driveway was shaped after and to fit this part of the building and if you see if you swung that building as little as did i think that she was she says that it was one of the biggest things that we've heard about was how tight that entry is and how it's not it needs to feel more generous so the more we compress that we mean the less welcoming and generous and we heard this from not only the building committee but the state upon her viewing a plan so we're trying to open that up and create a welcoming more generous aperture to for her students and gas to the building i think the it's a it's a combination of all those so i'm wondering i think those of us who looked at this we're not talking about a forty foot shift we're talking about fifteen or twenty feet but when you when you add that fifteen or twenty feet here you completely buffer on the opposite side of the driveway so to say that it doesn't change anything i think is is yours and not the rack that agree with so in rotating what you're trying to do is actually create some frankly the terraces are going to be i mean it's a nightmare they're going to end up being weeds i mean honestly just thinking about it they're just very very narrow they're not going to maintain they're going to one of the challenges is so one of the challenges one of the big great change there we're not going to build up the got you know so we're in we have to get access down to so somewhere we have to have this call the terrace but it is really serving as a function of a long ramp that's in some where we just have to figure we have to figure that out ok that's that's a design issue but i agree with you that we try to minimize what will become maintenance it will be difficult to maintain i'll just say it will and it's concrete it's going to break and it's it's a new england and they're going to be salted and it's going to crack in words words and all the above you know your desire to find a multi use for that area because it will be you know we heard about the art classes we heard about the cafeteria all those have this opportunity to do but it was very interesting to see that solar study with that if you look at this plan before you do that of the high school entry to the west has a very it's almost half of the openness of the middle school at the end you feel that as you as you look at it so there's a fortunately or unfortunately middle school has has a nice wide open so this was the solar the brick is not going to change color there's more in the morning minimizes our flexibility on two way circulation through the site we talked about possibly providing drop off points off concord ave hundred thirty spots on site that matches what we have on the current high school even though we have two extra grades to increase staff because this roman but budgeting for that number gives us the high  number and then as going clancy's crew and see who's doing the town why the traffic study works through some of those issues and in the coming months and look said certain alternatives so there was a another a solution or a suggestion here of removing students from the campus parking i mean there you can't move them because they're going to come after three anyways you know so there's a lot of driving we think that study works pretty well we think that they they could be an opportunity unconquered have to have permitted student parking a three hundred dollars or whatever to get and that's signed for student for school time student parking there's ample space along the school side and it provides less parking it actually we had proposed to remove all the inside of the double loaded so now you could bring that with sidewalk and it could be dropped off pick up for middle school waiting it could be town town meeting parallel parking that were used to when we could get four hundred in total some of us use a parking spot still  gives you better run off on the fields and then it also on the concord have we're not we would leave maybe three hundred feet for for the drop off you know they are going to go and they're the thing we've been stressing is that the way plans developed is it's easy to take those parking spaces out without disrupting anything it's only going to add right it actually benefits us from the fields perspective because we can reduce some of those overlaps that work a lot better from the internet and so we have know so right now you know you just push to the edge but if you need more and we sat with them talked about some options and they are going to get back to us so we have that ongoing and at some point it's just it's going to be in the parking area ok because it's just too much thousand fifty and i said don't use that as a benchmark because we hopefully won't visit that again so i suggested using something more than or they're going to do that did you have any additional questions that  really really huge and concerned about the broader issue of how school one factor traffic and the safety of kids and the school crowd is focused on just pretty much the campus while we think that presentation i think we'll see you one one that will see them again on the nineteenth it was it was you again what would you like to us to come back with at that point i think that one thing we should do is respond  to carl your comments on the when i'm standing i'm looking at this saying with what makes the east west side different than the east side we are we also concerned about the side or is there more room there are no trees that break that on the east side i'm just i did not asking for along the bay but should we look at both sides i have to say i was struck by the lower school having three token trees on the whole side i mean either landscape it or don't but  that yeah so those are the issues and you know come back to us with with those things really thoughtful and we'll probably have a couple of other things but i think we make good progress i think that the leaks that we've had i see us moving forward on this and so can i leave you would want to ask that if you have some comments that we can get those to us one week prior to that then we maybe will meet with sandy and ed again to get those so that we could all have twenty five product to use it generally less like you know so i think that if we continue the dialogue and just not say let's stop we're we're going to do a good thing because if we wait that that should satisfy i think some sense of right so the good example was wellington where the big issue was forty parking places or eighty two parking places which meant made a difference in how the building itself was going to be oriented and and designed right so we needed to know what planning board was going to say were they going to say a parking place for every staff member or go out and and that was really the only as i remember carl when you were the only one here then decided me but you know we probably remember that and so the planning board said it's the staff it's it's the agreement that made with the building department you know in ninety nine or two thousand or something like that so that two years later or year later when we came back for the formal cyclamen you there were different planning board members don't and one of the key ones is going to be sort of going up again but the lighting issue because that's going to be one of the most contentious things out there terms of what we we we don't disagree with we've already asked the people that are very strong for that to is prepare for the marijuana by law forum on june nineteenth this is an internal discussion of the playing board jeffrey you you and spencer have prepared some information for us and i could tell by the graphics  clear this is the beginning of the public process in order to get to the point where zoning public hearings can be held on a specific zoning b voice heard or known that they want retail they want that vote to be done so that's what we'll be drafting however should that vote fail then it reserve resorts to all uses so simultaneously we're going to be drafting an all use by law it shouldn't really be that different you know my sense is your be at will be adding a few public what decisions to be made and what you're looking to hear from them so i try to keep the presentation pretty high level and generic too didn't solicit input from the public on my team so the first light is really just to make it clear that there are simply two by laws that need to be in place and ready to go to pinning on how the vote plays out in september it's either all uses or it's retail only and  the board will be working over the next couple months to develop both versions of the by law then on september twenty fifth there will be a town wide vote to determine whether or not it is retail only or it's all uses and then a p statement the bottom just to make it clear that this is not the vote for the zoning bylaw depending on the outcome of this september twenty fifth one of the bylaws that the board has been working on will move forward to then be voted on  that some of this is dictated by state law by the regulations so we're going off we have to make sure that we are within the limits that the regulations for example offer we make sure creating an overlay district similar to the medical marijuana overlay district location again depending on which tool is used in a good side if you want to have it in one two three or all of the commercial districts and town the kinds of responses getting you know just wide open i want to hear what people think and then you know and then we'll take those comments and them directly that we're done for the nineteenth at any rate and later on we can deal with the issues of buffer maybe this is a good time to pass out the maps that to build a look at five hundred four hundred three hundred two hundred one hundred first and what that might be and this state regulations actually only allow k through twelve for public or private to the process i have daycares and libraries on here as well so just keep that in mind those actually won't be able to be part of the i mean the daycare's i mean they end up being like retail uses as opposed to school so if it shrinks things down too much if the state probably we should probably on the maps take the daycare's away yes just take the daycare's away this is behind the thing that you know right this is the kind of thing i almost wish we had yeah no no i mean this is really nice to have transparency actually if we do the you do your power point presentation you could do it you can do it as a animated like in the yes that i think that if there's that if it's not an issue and actually set of challenges for the special town meeting that will be able to begin to fill those holes and really make sure that is a accurate calendar and not just something that you know the timeline for a special time meaning is tools i think the issue is was what we're going to hear from the public about what the location is and from from our from our you know when we did this a little bit in the spring we didn't get very much response  i suspect we i suspect dealing with the reality of this that we're going to get much more for a response on that this is great thank you given the hour so if you have something let's do it quickly i don't want to go till ten