the following takes place  again everybody and welcome to the award winning time up for sports talk here at the belmont media center where for over two decades we continue to be belmont's first and only live all sports talk show it is wednesday june the thirteenth two thousand  we're here live as we are all on a monthly basis except for the months when we're not here but we are here live monthly as is the case here on wednesday june thirteenth we're taking your phone calls six one seven hundred four two four four three is the telephone number and of course you can also hang out with us on social media become a fan through facebook the facebook search time out for sports talk and then you can also follow us on twitter our twitter handles at us to see if you have a comment you'd like to send to us tonight casts that we run periodically will be doing those a little bit more during the summer season when we take a little vacation from the right so glad you're here with us and always glad to have how we here with us always glad to be alive and kicking in the exactly well you know it's here we are this is going to be our last show from take a little bit of a break for the summer time and of course it's june we a lot of times this is a good time of month we like to mention things going on in belmont and senior and the marauder season came to an end just last week unfortunately against rival arlington high school was the first round tournaments game rodgers losing in ten innings by a score of five to four when pitched the first nine innings and struck out seventeen batters you kid me a picture of the pitch nine innings yeah most major leagues do that in two games or three if you're lucky really hard in fact was kind of you know the broadest baseball probably two or more memorable games of the year the first one being the the tournament loss which was played it brenda great memorial field and of course also is the case every year for the last fourteen give us a call our baby needs families watching us live here on june thirteenth certainly quite an accomplishment and you know also of course want to mention the neat was one of the three winners and we're going to use this is kind of a segue honor carolyn madden from the softball team and max murphy a wrestler was the third recipient those were the other bradley grant foundation scholarships course we mentioned the the tournament going on and then of course there's brendan's homerun which kind of caps off this really busy month of activity the seventeenth edition of brendan's five k home run if you've watched the show or of course if you're from belmont i think by now you're all familiar with the story you know i can't believe it's been seventeen years now but seventeen years ago this month brandon grant tragically died on the baseball field in a collision in such a rare thing to happen to you know die as a result of a baseball collision  but but that's what happened in brandon it just finished his freshman year of high school i know well rob a lot of times you've been with us on the shows when we're talking about the foundation and of course you were just a year behind brandon and you probably played you know i know you said you mention in the just a great kid you know to have that that happen the way it did you know it's still a soul you know lives inside of me through today but to see all the good that has come about from the home and just the foundation as a whole you know a lot of times when tragic things happen you know you can get some momentum behind things for a couple of years and they normally fizzle out and go away after that but i can read and so i can see is live dot is continuing to you know do good for a lot of kids that are similar to brandon doing the same thing is that doing the things that he love to do want to do right i mean you look at the uproot you know you look what they did the bride and groom memorial field how beautiful that baseball field has become now with all that with the bleachers and the brick intentions and everything but it this fizzles out but this they said the seventeen years seems like yesterday that out of this it's been going on that long and it's going to continue to go we will absolutely i mean it's the fourteenth year already of the of the baseball tournament and that's a few years to actually get going with that is we mentioned the the five k walk it's now a father's day staple in belmont a lot of the best runners from you know the entire area even will participate in this in this five k run again just you know between that of course the scholarships we mentioned i mean just all the giving back in the paying it forward casey grant you know brendan's father and then just all the other folks that are involved in the foundations board of trustees  if you're going to be around on father's day check out the check out the race and a b and c will be glad to cover it once again this year it's becoming it's been a long time tradition in belmont and now it's becoming a p m c tradition as well to actually cover the race walk so you know  well look at my photo id well that picture was of a justify who you know and again the reason why you were plugging the belmont stakes in horse racing itself is because the way the thirteenth time and i think up like a hundred fifty years of thoroughbred horse racing  you know win the triple crown events by actually i think it's fewer of the triple crown directly not a twenty eight i believe yeah horses that had a shot at yes something like that i mean so justify a second triple crown winner in the last four years but prior to that there'd been about a thirty year drought so in the seventy eight yeah you know we're back to affirmed exactly there were three winners in the seventy's now there's been two triple crown winners in this decade and that justified beautiful looking cold and it was victorious winning going away track but one of the reasons especially with the belmont white just by got out in front really i mean they put drew the post there the rail position was right on the rail which i know bob baffert a stranger not a big fan of being in that is so with the number one goal he says whenever he's on there and i  been fifteen years since a horse was on the rail through that spot in the belmont and one in a pretty long drought there but baffert says whenever he gets one of his horses on the rail first thing he does is he's just you know he's kind of forced to put that horse out in front and then kind of set the is that the right so my question would be i mean do you think maybe they should alter their change the rules so that you know every owner and trainer is only in charge of one horse in the race because otherwise you're going to get maybe going to get things like this going forward you know they do that in the t rain isn't always it's not making deals with each other you know yeah i don't really think you know who training is one of those special you know jobs and you've got to be really good at what you do to get horses to that level so if you get multiple horses that level that means more money for you and i didn't really come up with a snap for that but you know it's funny because if you look at horses lineage and bloodlines now there's horses now running today that still have secretariat somewhere in their bloodline you know so they don't have a heart as big you says i mean no but i mean so you  think preakness had won eight and belmont had ten and ten that was a lot for this this race i mean it's just you don't necessarily get the best horse when the best race is when there's such a crowd they can't get out when you watch them like derby i've always seen them wait for three footnote to this year's belmont i suppose we should mention that the second place finish was a horse named current house by of course none other than the patriots owner robert and i'm hoping that might be all the patriots talk we do but we may have end up later  let it because we're going to we may end up coming back to it but for now you know let's let's talk about the just finished n b a season we all know chris we talked a lot about the celtics and of course they were up to nothing when we were on our last show i still wasn't convinced it was you know  four years all of them against the cleveland cavaliers a if you like golden state versus cleveland in the finals i mean this was the fourth edition fourth straight year of the two teams met in the finals and oddly enough the only your gold state didn't win they were seventy three nine in the regular season three one lead in the finals so for by all you know by all rights maybe golds they could've won the last four straight but they have won three out of four back to back now after the game four loss for le bron who is now what three and six all time in n b a finals because we have a picture of  smith and don't get me going on that rand again he is carson smith season's over we were going to get to the red sox later this hour and a lot you know there's so much civil person smith except i think he had surgery today or he's about to have surgery soon and who yeah exactly but b take injuries like that would you have ever thought in your wildest dreams that you would be yearning for marcus might think about it i mean if you really think that he was going to mean that much i mean that that shows a lot about his frustrations out than putting your hand through a mirror hitting a wall and breaking your hand or throwing your glove down you know throwing the shoulder out throw in a spiking a club that their view is a little more a little more off the cuff but come on your million your million dollar  some brains all but your team relies on you to put yourself in that situation is just not a place you want to be in yeah well you know and now of course the question for a lib ron is season is over and perhaps his time in cleveland is over again this is he walked off the floor here after game for this might have been the end of the road for le bron in cleveland again and again you know now it is one of these it's time he did win them a championship if he didn't win that championship he probably wouldn't leave but he feels he did when he came back to do is bring a championship in cleveland so he can leave this time with a clear head the city is a good a bird down when he leaves this time probably yeah how well but as a fan like how would you feel i mean do you still feel like ok got to a championship but coach of the team is it on all three of them you know that's the thing but you look at the broad now it's amazing he's the best player of our time he's won three championships and women anyway but i go back father that well you know how do we kno mean that's a that's quite quite the accomplishment yeah a lack of oh well jerry west got the n b a logo modeled after him for losing all those championships so that's ok he got zero right i mean he's he lives on a nice lives on forever  he didn't go over and shake russell's hand when you get the championship right boy how could he snub him was over the internet and i know it just shows up of him and russell talk and you're right handed and having a great conversation afterwards because he couldn't get through the i mean you look at the teams like the or like the celtics and the lakers i mean you talk in teams and four or five hall of fame players on the on the team you're talking about guys that came off the bench that are in the hall ok this guy didn't have that it was him he was in the band you know no it's that was right i mean this year's team i mean it's funny when the season started halfway through the year they got really going that's what i mean and you know who'll do well they didn't trade it for a z at thomas and they didn't even give thomas a chance he had barely come up back from the hip surgery and was starting to play regularly and then right after that i guess le bron for whatever reason they didn't think he could play with them and ship them on would have been i want to do with the fact that he was trying to make judgment on the whole team in the organization in the short period of time he was there but yeah you know it's in the eastern conference which is not as top heavy you know there's you know you have to go through quite as many teams still strong thomas not strong as the west so there's that couple of good young players exactly at a good draft right is coming up i believe yeah exactly so you've got you've got a lot of pros and you've got euston but now they've got now the pros there is they've already got a pretty good team they almost beat go well state and the other problem is they have two guys who carry the ball hard and brings the ball up the port courtney chris paul brings the ball point yeah they want to dish and you know get involved often salute that way so then you have three guys that do the exact same thing how do you figure that out right yeah it's going to be tough it's tough now again we all had different answers here mine was you know and this is just because i read some rumors that the bronze kids have already been rolled at schools in los angeles and le bron's two houses in l a so you know i know as far as winning goes the lakers are probably the worst of the three options that we've laid out here certainly with philly houston used in a much better chance of winning the championship well and if that's the browns multiple yes but i would argue here you know i think part of this is he's thinking of his family part of this he's thinking of his you know career after the n b a and then the other part of this is he can go to l a where they've cleared a whole lot of cap space he jumps in there any bring somebody in division or in the conference no probably not will take quite the haul but it's good take a lot of work for the way yeah yeah i did i don't know i think that's why i said philadelphia because they're very good they're conference doesn't it if you you know he has what three or four really solid years left in his career so if you go to any team but golden state what's what are really your chances to win the title of golden state is able to stay healthy and keep you know there for real top players together it's really slim that i mean that team's bound for another couple more championships i mean that really is the case so as long as that nucleus stays together yes i mean i just think you know it's going to that's why i thought h be the good the good winning spot because they took home state to six games you know if they had that one player that they would have probably be called state so you know that really is why if you want to stay in the western conference and win that's why i thought you said it was the best place  he could find his way into new but i don't think he's going to a place like that but i mean the eastern conference there's there's sixteen teams that could if they could get to the n b a finals go back to this and i  talked about this surely to your thoughts do you want to come here i'm a big no on that right these are the two most farfetched rumors that are flying around out there one le bron some i would go to golden state i don't know how they clear space for that and then to  celtics i don't even know if he's picking up the phone to call abroad we were talking about this just i hope not for the show i can't imagine because for one thing and let's go to this shot because this is kind of a symbolic shot in a way we have kyrie irving here and in the background of the shot is le bron james and i think that's kind of almost an appropriate picture to bring up at this moment the reason why the celtics probably would never pick up the phone and if you wanted to come to the celtics would be you know kyrie irving kyrie irving left cleveland because he would want to get out of the bro to take up minutes that i young guys can use to develop even further than they have which was incredible what they did this year but why you going to why you going to stop when they attract to bring in yeah but an aging veteran this got a few years left have you know three young studs that could sort of continue from there that's that would be my view yeah but i'm the i'm thinking of the all of a sudden now these three young studs are going to maybe not play the to the way i think the one thing will remember about the celtics season and perhaps maybe a passing of the torch perhaps is this photo right here was the best one i could for you with lucky but the meanest seven of the eastern conference finals let's go to this photo  it is cleveland slash le bron didn't win that game the celtics lost they just needed an average night and they were going to be cleaver the defense was there tatum was great no one else showed up and that's basically you and then they have the break in between the quarters then they you know bring them in with a minute into the next quarter so you get like five six eight minutes of rest and it only missed you know a minute and a half of two minutes of the game you know that's you know that's almost like talk about football and time management sure you know you're going to do that but it's an absolute standard play i mean you're right that the celtics the eighty's as those players were getting older did that i mean you see all well bron coby well shaq i mean all of the looking out players like larry bird and kevin mchale she fell apart towards the end of their careers to tell me that they play for a physical now they don't know what physically if we called my wife right now and said hey tiffany what was what was rob screaming at the game seven of the celtics game in the third or fourth quarter when the celtics couldn't hit a shot what was rob scream go to the basket yeah yeah i was that was what i was very sure exactly i mean the worst part is when you see a guy who's like about two steps away he's driving to the basket it looks like he you know if we turn the clock back ten twenty thirty years you know the end of that play is he finished the layup here you like a foot away and then all let's kick it out to the guy for the three because you get the extra point out of that that's why it's so and i always love the one my guys don't take the shot he goes oh but he backs up three steps you realize that he had one of those like you know how they do the probability meters and everything as the players drive into the basket if they have like a little graph something like a little like electronic meter you see going up like your odds of making this shot eighty ninety ninety five percent and then just there kick it back jump or go back play did they do that and then in the ninety's it got so defensive you were getting games that were seventy to sixty five and they were like we need to open the sub or now it's just bombs away so that the good basketball just like any sport goes meds and flows out so i think they should get rid of the three point line but will go real old school jojo you want to bomb away bomb away but it's two points either way you're going to get two points one from the faithful line two points to shoot on the court is going to do that once you make a four point line when you get state words we have a picture of them after they they won their their third title in four years you know and would step curry i mean he's a guy who gets so bored of the three point line how he's kind of like with you ok fine you know twenty five feet that's a boring three point let me get like another let me step back another before every game each practice he takes like one hundred three point shots it just goes around like you say around around the roads he sets up it like each of the posts go all the way around the three point arc he starts and he comes back i guess you know there was one sequence once where he like ninety four out of a hundred and a bunch of most of those probably didn't even touch the net either you know they probably would cool right through with didn't touch anything anyway here's a shot what right that they probably hit like thirty eight thirty nine percent for the game and they get rewarded for it you know it's just say it might as well keep doing us about how many we had every time we're going to get that extra point extra point let those guys go down to school to shoot fifty percent from the floor right but we'll shoot thirty eight and we'll win the game  tremendous three point shooter but it wasn't used as the weapon then is it is to know i mean the percentage of threes a team would take in a game where you weren't going to be taken thirty attempts in a game which is well to use you have one or two three point specials i mean just think of like those chicago b teams steve where the coach of the growth they worry is was a three point specialist and that's allen iverson you know you have one or two guys who get you to three and everyone else went to the basket yeah you have to haven't seen kevin mchale of the you know these big guys tend to go out and shoot threes i mean maybe dirk nowitzki and he wasn't a pure center but he might have been like one of the first big men to really kind of master that three point shot and he was you know you could argue when you when dirk was in his prime they were he would shoot as many threes they are now but you know you watch someone like him be you know that's kind of part of his game is to take that that long you know those long shots of all these big and i still think it hurts like when you beat against the celtics there were times where he should have been at the basket getting rebounds and instead he's out you know and thank goodness for that but you know you want to talk about often i mean that was one of those frustrating sequences at the end of game seven you know that one last chance the celtics were you know you kind of thought maybe they'd have a chance to to still this at the end was that what minute did they have like  so i hope he goes to the lakers ok smart let's talk smart first here we have a photo of smart marcus smart so your question ok do you he wants to be paid what twelve to fourteen million a year he's a restricted free agent they don't have to give that and personally i like the guy but i'm not breaking the bank for him because he's erratic office of late i love his defense but you know i'm not i'm not going to screw the salary cap up i like him but i can't stand him yeah were really struggling went on like a tough stretch and then in the playoffs they struggled as soon as he came back they're like road completely different teams so you know his intent to make that team tick and you know they're important to have now if you bring a liberal on type and you don't really need him anymore because that sort of transitions over but other than that you know you have the guys the wing shooters and stuff you need that top gritty player i think him and marcus morse you know they bring the the tough physical nature that you need to be able to beat a team like golden state to stand up to the star players they may not always hit their shots which is rivera annoying but you need those strong guys the tougher the up and stand up for your team just like what kevin garnett did for the celtics ten years i'm going to blow up the salary cap  r no no no yes fourteen million a year for that i mean now a lot of people thought a lot of people were thinking prior to the c's that he was going to be people going to give him twenty million and sell his numbers definitely come down to be interesting to see what kind offer to get but and if he doesn't get any offers the celtics can bring him back at a six million dollars i mean are the offers he's going to get are probably from mid level teams that are on the borderline of maybe being in the playoffs we're trying to build a team here so that's really going to help him getting up to the top the right way where it was the balance right you want to win when i do you want to get money and maybe make the playoffs but i mean marcus smart those the kind of player that if you're that you know you just you that one defensive specialist away maybe that you can make a legitimate run at golden state then yeah that players have god tell the team they have been too good right now for the most part there's been a rare occasion brad stevens gets the most out of his players there's no guarantee where a lot of these players go the coaches are going to be able to get to i mean i know i say a thomas is different he had injuries and stuff but like jay crowder you didn't hear much of his name at all and i actually ended up in utah did ok in utah ok once he left cleveland but yeah again he didn't do great though you know some you know as marcus smart going to go to another team and blow it out of the water who knows brad stevens well those guys that can get the most others players you know or you know where he can create the depth and makes his players believe so you know it sort of the saudi any age the celtics have to think you know are we going to like one hundred seven million he turned it down if you listen to talk radio they're convinced that he turned it down because they want to be here anymore of course that's not what if you listen to what kyra's comment if it was just comments kyrie himself didn't say that and in fact if waits til next year then the celtics could offer him like the larry bird you know deal and give him two to three times more of a contract and what they offered him now so it makes sense that's a son right he's coming off an injury but yeah just to say  what you've already accomplished in your young n b a career i can understand why it would be wanting to do that there's no point for the celtics to give that contract all right now that he needs to prove itself and they're going for him to take it and there's no point for him to take it either it's one of those things where both sides just got to play ball that's how the n b a works that's why le bron's going somewhere that's like you know you when you put your contract out then you get paid when you say i don't even play their contracts out anymore they'd make it so that two or three years in they get they can opt out and then make more don't think he's the guy that's going to keep the celtics on the map for the next ten years it's going to be jason tatum and jaylen brown and in another let's see another three years you're going to start paying those guys so you know do you want irving to be that guy to give be stuck with that money no matter what happens but at least with the you could side you young players are quote find someone else to come in alongside i still would like to sell books of find a way to get in the top five in the draft this year i don't know how the heck o was riding on james's quote i thought that he was along for the ride i didn't write lies he was as good a player as he was so yeah i'd actually providing is nice but i'd like to see him lock him up after this year i agree for five years i agree  thought it was like the record should be like twelve or fifteen or something the way it's what who hit the first three pointer and it being history chris for it you know bingo it's right so you are old or new yeah i remember when i was that was birds rookie season which happen to be the first year they instituted the three point shot and i that's right hey let is jewish let's get out of the red sox why don't we they have the best record in baseball who've not that you would know the boston red although they have more wins than any team in major league baseball they are as of right now they are in second forty seven and twenty two well no i think ever heard that term right but you know i guess it's because of the well it's weird because at the end you know hockey and baseball you all play the same number of games in your league right yeah so why does it matter how many games that means you have anyway but in hockey day it's like their goal to you have caves in the air but in baseball  could feel for hours yes we could but no but twenty a week twenty hours a week you know that's the real heavy lifting you know we can't talk about games we have to we need to drama we need a scandal we need a good scary i mean literally the host of the baseball reporters this week used to be a caller on the show but that was that was that was actually a different persona of the person i listen to other really does not the same guy used to call of this show even i seriously don't think he is he's on hinged you know the red sox have the most with the big baseball but he was upset because there's no scandals with the team it's a good scandal and i think the team needs another good reliever to maybe you know maybe a little more depth to the pitching but i don't think the scandal well though you know again with when he only got released you would have thought oh you know well he hits the yankees but there has to be something more to this because why has about their team i mean scouts in players everyone talks so there must have been something that happened to sort of escalate the situation now what was it or you know a lot of people who were part of this is you know the whole that that yeah he would have been this boy when he started hitting in april at the beginning of the season it looked like he was a decent first baseman too but then he started slumping they put much more land in little bit who's been hitting the cover off the ball yeah obviously been quite as well lately but you know generally speaking he's been he's been n the first week of the season everyone wanted to murder him martinez the first week or two in boston were great either but fans overreact to the first five ten games of what's you settle into the season he's just really taken artemis is leading baseball of home runs and force in that field or to make a play in the high school in little league yeah i'm alright i get it you guys are better field there is well although sometimes the way you watch i'm not so sure well that's i think the red sox have some work to do i mean baseball is the this year lease is the biggest sport i mean you have the american league especially if you have your team you know you have the sox the yankees out west it's like seattle houston astros and l a and then cleveland and that's it everyone else against the bad teams but that doesn't help you when you have to get into a series against houston or texas texas like houston or yankees or in l a in october you know you you like to have some of that good hard fight