meeting to be honest with you about by the time that comes back to us but that will be it will it will lay out all of the parameters as to how perp hours purchased the lines of responsibility l backs role our role craig's role as the g m it will be nice to go forward with everything nice and  clean and put together i have to question is there a check and balance in the decision making yes how does it work so in general any long term contract or a contract of five years a loss and the as it's written today in draft form anything that i was to do if i was to do anything would be done be brought to the board with full analysis of what was done why it was done and how it was we just want to make sure that it goes to council to make sure we're not running afoul of chapter one sixty four when we pass it and then my second question is what are you following now what are you following the new the new discussion i mean so in general is where the power that we have purchased through we're good through two thousand and eighteen literally on that long term contract that we talked about you know that's why he only did the one year contract so we could do this  conversation about it and so we did the one year so we get the policy in place is now one year is up then we can start implementing the policy and go forward so i think that's a smart way to go so what would you say is when i sit with discuss any opportunities that are coming in front of us  kind of a consensus again will fall that long term strategy if it's over a certain percentage will bring to the board if it's small very small percentage chances are still going to the board but it gives us the flexibility of timing i was i was very impressed with al back in the energy committee it was a really good and went on for a long time because people are really into the discussion i think we're going to get something good sound great thank you so we're actually not that far behind schedule approval of minutes are regular session minutes from december eighteenth two thousand and seventeen and executive session minutes from december eighteenth two thousand and seventeen and don't forget on the executive committee ones if you have any comments don't make them an open session but i can say which one had you clean know we always say so and so's you know i mean i know we don't we don't we don't think it's good to create a record no it's not what we do that he's thinking he's not on the board but we have we don't want you to get yourself i'm not going to tell myself i'm going to but now that we have a group of people i can actually tell you the schedule of the next several months of the light board meetings are february twenty sixth at five thirty and they're all at five thirty actually february twenty sixth march twelfth april twenty third may twenty first and june eighteenth that is through the end of the fiscal year for the town but not for the like departments around the county are but nevertheless that will take us going for a while and at this and our colleague mark plough will be here momentarily good evening everyone we have a packed house and a packed agenda thank you all for coming personally adam i'm going to ask you again in your best radio voice to do the community enhancements please thank you mr chair i have several announcements this evening number one a two thousand and eighteen pet licensing belmont residents may renew their pet licenses for dogs and cats online or visit the town clerk office during regular business hours and up to date rabies vaccination must be on file in the town clerk's office in order to renew online and the licensing fees are neutered spayed twelve dollars per pet nine dollars if the owner is sixty years of age or older altered thirty seven dollars per pet thirty four dollars a phone or sixty years of age or older to mark your calendar talk of the town two thousand and eighteen presented by the vision twenty one implementation committee will be held on march twentieth at seven pm at the general middle school auditorium notable belmont residents will discuss their interests and passions i want last year was fantastic it's like a series of ted talks by a very highly knowledgeable people in our community third is substance abuse substance use recovery resource night representatives from local treatment providers will be available to provide information and assistance february eighth five pm to eight pm at the beach street center for more information please contact  the tenant kristen daly belmont police department six one seven nine one three two five five four or k daly at belmont p d dot org those are the announcements which are thank you adam  adam dash also reporting out on the belmont high school building committee he is the board of selectmen is a liaison to that committee and we just wanted to make sure that the public understood the rest of that meeting schedule and perhaps more specifically what's happening tomorrow night thank you mr cherry yes tomorrow night is a big night in the belmont high school building committee time line tomorrow night there will be a joint meeting with the school committee the school committee will be voting that night on the grade configuration meaning will the new high school have seven through ten grade twelve grade eight through twelve or nine through twelve and then the high school building committee will be voting on the site where on the site it will be located so those are and that will then go to the state and then the state will approve it hopefully and then architects can then start coming up with numbers and start pricing the buildings don't know how big it will be and where it will be and then once we get a number that everybody feels comfortable with then we will know what a debt exclusion will look like but we're not that we have ranges but we're not dialed in as we don't know the number of grades or the exact site selection but after tomorrow night a lot of that a lot of those decisions will be made in those those things will become more fixed right now  you the high school building committee will be there tomorrow and the school committee will be there tomorrow that is right and we will be there tomorrow i'll be there and well aren't we going to be asked to sign off on something called the p r tomorrow i don't know if the vote is that night on the p s r believe there's a later meeting on that do you know if else it's not tomorrow night ok good so tomorrow night you know tomorrow night the selecting the configuration is that school committee will vote on the number of grades that will be in the new school and then the high school building committee will be choosing we've got it down to basically four schemes as to where the building will sit and how large that footprint will be and one of those not the design of the building but one of those schemes where the site will be in the size of the footprint will be well made that decision will be made tomorrow i should probably notice at seven o'clock at the wellington school cafeteria and so there will be to vote tomorrow night one by the  school committee and the other by the building right that is there will be separate votes by separate boards because the school committee has total say so over how many grades go in the building ok thank you very much most of us have missed here i think it's process of doing need time i mean ten it's the it is it is probably one of the biggest me if not the biggest meeting on the high school we've had with being so i was at the wellington cafeteria so i'm going to i'm going to be there also i think many people who want to come i would encourage you to come or watch it live on television this is going to be a big a you actually was in the treasury committee room because we've been getting so many people at the high school building committee meetings was moved to the wellington cafeteria because the room was larger and then the understanding is there's no board of selectmen vote tomorrow night that is my understanding ok all right so r ellen cushman and george hall to join us please and i think there are there are actually three microphones there thank you mister ok so my plan is i put this on the agenda because there were some changes from from last the last time we had this discussion and my main concern last time was that if somebody filed an application on april first  it could possibly be accepted as a retail location in belmont in my opinion since the town hadn't voted on whether it wanted a retail location in belmont that was turning our our judgment over to with an unknown third party and i made a motion that we have a special election and that that would be followed by a town meeting if the vote in the special election was to opt out the board of selectmen did not approve that motion and we adjourned now however my concern about an application being submitted and becoming automatically approved for a location in belmont has been overcome by events and i'm going to turn it over to george hall town council to explain that and then control commission has the obligation to approve final regulations by march fifteenth and they've released draft regulations for public comment and they'll be hearings i think in the first couple weeks of february statewide on these draft regulations  which pose a lot of new questions and also suggest perhaps some policies taking shape that may inform this discussion a little bit further one question that  as i reviewed their draft regulations as summarized in the guidance document that they released even more recently just a couple weeks ago is it is possible that the cannabis control commission will not assign an application date to an application until it is a complete application they have fairly detailed regulations about what the contents of an application will have to be they're fairly comprehensive in one of the components of a complete application is a certification by both the applicant and the town that the town and the applicant have entered into a host agreement which is of course one piece of the application over which the town has some control so if an application is not going to be dated as filed until it's complete then that means that it may not be possible for an applicant unilaterally to establish an application date on april first i pace and to point out that the regulations are not clear on this and i think it's something that i as a member of the bill lawyers association and others may bring to the attention of the cannabis control commission during this public comment period and ask for more clarity on the risk of you asking for more clarity as it may be clarified in the other direction so i  mean i can't tell you that the original concern that you had about a application being filed in early april trumping any later action by by the town and opt out by law has gone away it has it's still a patrice garvin about today and i sent a copy of a recent attorney general approval on january ninth the attorney general's office approved a opt out by a law in the town of milford  making basically two findings one is that whatever byelaw emerges from a town meeting on an opt out question and bear in mind that this isn't really necessarily a binary yes or no question you can opt out of all types or you can opt out of one type you can impose a cap town actually has multiple options and terms but you know between doing nothing and opting out of everything there are there are options in between and what  happen in milford is there was a ballot photo opt out of everything it went to town meeting the town meeting didn't want to opt out of everything they wanted to opt out of certain types but not others and that's the buy a while they approved the  meeting has to be approved by the ballot word for word forbade him it can't change however they approve the milford by a law subject to them going back to the ballot after the town meeting vote and getting it approved as as it passed the town meeting and explicitly stated that they view it as consistent with the statute for the town meeting to go first you can read the statute perhaps as it certainly presumes that the ballot vote comes first but a lot of us believe a certainly attorney general office believes that it makes a lot of sense for town meeting to go first because that's the deliber body that's where things get amended that's where you have a debate on the topic and then once something emerges from town meeting you can present it to your voters for the up or down vote if the town election comes first that puts all the burden on the selectmen in writing the ballot question to decide you know where between these two you know a complete opt out or something less where it where that line should be drawn and you know that's hard it's hard to guess because if you don't get both approval at the ballot and of the town meeting then you don't succeed so i say all of that as a suggestion that if the board wants would wants to still consider some version of a  limiting or capping or or opt out by a law in the spring one possibility would be simply to take it up at the annual town meeting and then if something is approved at the annual town meeting holding a special election following annual town meeting is to see if the voters want to approve that's that's an option we didn't i didn't present to you before your last meeting right what we had of the last meeting was that the ballot question actually needed to go first was the understanding and then it would go to a special town meeting and then the idea was that that would be done before april first to prevent somebody from making a application and having it the time stamp without the town opining on the question david you're here what do you have to say no actually absolutely nothing ok the border you know which is uncharacteristic but actually very comfortable the board of health role in this very simply is to create regulations to control and protect the citizens of the town of the laws that are here so we will follow the lead of the town if in fact there's a ban that my board does not think if in fact that establishment are allowed in town we will write regs we actually have already are beating was before yours we've set a date to meet with mr hall to begin the process of creating regulations because we do want to move given this information that it might be better to go to town meeting first and then have an election after that takes away the need to do anything with a special election no no no  morning clark it actually just pushes the special election after town meeting right so when we get word we have a slot in the side to actually disagree with george in some way because we would have a special during the middle of annual that allows us to move forward meeting so thirty five days after that would be the soonest you could have an election which takes us right to the middle of june and june which is in great time which is i guess another conflict in terms of people leaving town right here here's a question  george in terms of the for just in terms of the if they just remind me in terms of i think i know what milford did one of the four different types of established moves you said that you could opt out not completely but i decided to opt out of certain yeah i and it gets more complicated for reasons i'll explain but the statute itself defines for categories of marijuana types of marijuana by the way is vertically integrated anybody that sells has to do all of those things but but the new statute would allow specialisation with now it also states that the cannabis control commission can by regulation create additional categories and the cannabis control commission is is proposing a transporter cat category a two different subtypes of retail one being a store front retail and one being home delivery only they're proposing social use consumption category broken into two subcategories one of which would be where marijuana or cannabis is the primary products sold in the other would be when it is accessory to a not the sale of another product so that the cannabis control commission has now jumped in here and sort of further tom meaning and or at the bell is specifically to exclude opt out of certain categories when we don't know when they're going to come up with these different categories well i mean march fifteenth is when you're going to really know for certain and then and all i can say is that you know you have the four in the statute i'm presuming that the milford vote i haven't read it lately but probably was this the catchall all types of marijuana establishment and that's the way drafted the question for you know my municipal clients have asked for a complete opt out i think it gets trickier if you want to you know can you opt out of home delivery or can you opt out of  storefront or you can i none of that is really clear i mean the guy mean as a practical matter i don't think anybody is going to be opening up a pot farm in belmont we don't simply have the remote we don't know that the land and we don't know about trying to you know the thing about home delivery that concerns me is how do you  going to be very much a work in progress because it is a work in progress and march fifteenth is the drop dead date for what the state supposed to put out there and smoke and mirrors can happen between now and march fifteenth and as you said the cannabis commission can come back because they're not going away in march fifteenth on the contrary they're becoming even more powerful because their robes seeing this it's again one of the reasons why my department is jumping ahead on it so case to your point how do we make sure people delivering are the right age we're going to be putting in stings just delivery in cambridge someone in vomit could still have it delivered from cambridge well i think actually the regulations are are not one hundred percent clear on that point however because i one question i would have for the cannabis control commission is can a town opt out of home delivery regardless of where the home delivery entity is licensed could could the town vote not to allow say a dispensary based in cambridge to engage in home delivery in belmont and i don't know the answer to that question and i and i suspect the answer may be no i mean so but but not something i think we should really you know supporting the stablish would that have home delivery i mean might my point to you point by point last time was that if whether those establishments are in town or not you know the genie is out of the bottle after the ballot question so marijuana is coming to masters as we can like it or not it doesn't really matter so it's coming here is going to be probably in communities around us they may have home delivery into belmont which means the marijuana will be here whether we have an establishment or not and if that's the case and we have that externality i would at least like to get the taxes from it by having the by not opting out because we're going to have it here anyway you might at least get the six percent of the time it's a doctoral pressplay the the draft regulations require everybody who's involved in the the actual commerce marijuana have to have a card to be basically registered past background checks be of the right age they have security requirements regarding transporters you know unmarked vehicles although it's not clear to me that the cannabis control commission is going to allow complete latitude to towns to to further regulate that that commerce too so again the exact boundary that's going to be drawn on this isn't clear but if there are vans driving around town with no markings on them with people with i mean what happens now right  twenty one age for twenty five age we don't know if we can do i think the time we place and manner ability of the health department the planning board to regulate perhaps one which would be no more than we need one we kill establishment in town sort of aligns with my thinking on this because i think fifty two percent of the people in a very large turnout election of fourteen thousand people voted to decriminalize marijuana but what concerns me is some of the other categories that no george is describing our ability to regulate those well and we will certainly regulate whatever is approved in town i mean that i know that sounds like a cop out but the best i can say is that whatever the town approves will make sure that the best that the state allows us will be overseeing it whether it's licensing people from out of town whether it's you know  reconsider the point that we voted on before because i think that it most will have one establishment look however i feel about it i believe that the residents of this community spoke at a very you know forty thousand over seventy percent of the town voted regulating time place and manner perhaps increasing the age in a retail establishment in town and so i'm not looking to change my point of view on that but i'd like to understand what the new categories are as of march fifteenth and then consider whether any of those don't align with my thinking on this and perhaps put something on to tell me your tacl to opt out of certain categories notwithstanding and i understand your point that if we say home delivery you can have a home delivery operation the moment i know that someone  so but they can have marijuana and edibles and that worries me a little bit you know so however i feel about this i'd like to think about what the new can see what the new categories are and then perhaps consider whether there's anything we might specifically again whether that's going to be legally enforceable i don't know the tension here is between how concerned do you want to be about the april first date and how much do you want to wait and see how these regulations look when they're finalised i mean the fact of the matter is these these these are very interesting it's a very interesting set of draft regulations but they're draft regulations and i have a feeling this will be one of the most well attended this is a set of public hearing  regulations that we will have seen in probably decades and so what may emerge from that public comment period maybe something that looks quite a bit different from what we were looking at now misses like when i'm going to disagree with you that a prefer states going to hold simply because the state of certain categories knowing the more fifteenth what was in the category what i mean i don't see the reason to be to be hasty about a c like the ground is shifting a bit and perhaps we just sort of hold it till after march fifteenth i'm not concerned about people running in your table first especially as you said before the applicants who get first priority of those which already have a medical establishment in their noninvolvement so i'm not so i don't think i would be very difficult not never impossible i think be very difficult for somebody to slip in really quickly like that so i think that  and also as you were just said david that the odds of that now of actually dropped a little bit even more because of the draft regs i would just assume do nothing till march fifteenth see what we get and then if we decide we want to put it on a special town meeting for certain categories we have the ability to do know just just a minute i usually let them go first and then they ask you to think next but then i also get to go you know what you know to contribute to the conversation now george four was voted on in november two thousand and sixteen correct and did did that ask the community to establish commercial retail operations in their towns did you know there was yes or no on the on the very long statute that was actually set forth in the ballot which contained a lot of provisions of one of which  but it it put in place this structure we have now which is that it's a statewide licensing system and it's allowed in every town unless a town votes to opt out i think that's the most you can say is that anybody who took the time to read the fine print on the ballot question would have understood that it was presumptively allowed in their town but that the town would would be able to vote to opt out ok so with that in mind to your votes six hundred in one thousand of those favorable votes were in two precincts precinct five in precinct seven now i don't have anything against precinct five or precinct seven i'm just pointing out that to your point that the community spoke i think it's six hundred one thousand out of the seven twelve came from those two precincts two precincts voted overwhelmingly against it precinct two in precinct eight and my thinking is that given if this were cambridge and it was seventy thirty or if it was braintree and it was sixty forty that would be a different you know i could follow the idea that people who voted in two thousand and sixteen they made their choice if we had another if we brought the question either to the town meeting or if we brought the question to about that it probably would be the same but i think belmont's in a different situation because two precincts voted ninety percent of the favorable  and so then the question is what happens to the other precincts you know where is where is their voice and for that reason i think we need to validate this choice about not opting out agreement on waverly square so i i don't know how long it's going to take to get a host agreement or casing out you know i don't know how long it's going to take to get a host agreement but hopefully we can govern better than that and i'm very concerned about disenfranchising the other the other six precincts because the vote was so close and two precincts provided eighty percent of the favorable votes another point is that we've had turnover you know in the community s town votes not each precinct separate in the state so i think the residents spoke i don't think you need to go back and have a special election to ask them to vote again and specially when it's not to be as the train it will be as much as it had been fourteen thousand is perhaps was a record at the time in terms of the turnout and i agree it's a narrow margin fifty two to forty but it's still a fifty two to forty eight vote and we have to consider the rest if it went the other way  mr chair i'd be sitting here supporting a complete opt out now that all being said i'm very open minded about you know certain categories once fully understand what the categories are ok let me explore that with you how would that get done in your mind well i'd like to ask the town clerk in terms of sort of the timing of this but we won't know until all those categories until march fifteenth i think homefront home delivery to me is one that just i'd like to understand a little bit more about it  legislative body if in fact i support an opt out in certain categories what our legislative body thinks about that and then go from there i think george has suggested that's a path to go and how does that happen you have to  so if you were to have a special town meeting on may second which is the second night of town meeting we don't ever do it on the first night emanuel town meeting that would mean that you have to post your warrant at the for that particular question if it was by itself or with others by april tenth so you have plenty of time between the march fifteenth and april tenth to make that choice and then should that pass and george's comment about requiring an election after looks like june fourth would be the soonest you could happen that special election should pass george the question i actually have for you is would we have to wait until the attorney general approved by law before we would draft him except election night ok so that we're looking at the first week of june being the soonest so do it for us we give me a special town meeting at april tenth your deadline to vote question schools not out yet so that's doable and i think the one thing that we haven't talked about which occurred to me since the last time we discussed this was that the the legislature tree is treating in this law the towns that voted in favor of the ballot question differently and process from the towns of voted against it and i started to think well why is that and the only thing like i don't know if specifically but the only reason i can really think of is because they assume the towns of voted for it or ok with it being in their town the towns of voted against it were not and they were making that assumption of the voters otherwise why would you make that distinction so i was sort of and i agree with mark on that count so if it were just now you know i don't think i'm not so concerned that someone's going to come in here and belmont and find enough room to put a profitable pot farm i'm not that concerned about the cultivation nor my actually interested in having the cultivation in particular the with the retail pieces i mark as you said is more interesting as far as something that we could do in tax on the other hand if it's all going to be here anyway which i believe it is going to be here in stores whether we do it here or not we're going to have it i would like to have been able to regulate it and i think that the planning board in the board of health are up to the task of putting in those regulations i'm assuming other towns will do it the state will have some draft it's not as if we're going to write this ourselves is probably going to be some sort of template or something we could copy off of at some level ok so based on this discussion we're talking about waiting until march fifteenth to find out what the final rules are yeah yeah and that neck of the woods i mean i would recommend that we all just stop thinking about this and revisit it on march fifteenth but i think between now and that date a lot of information will have gotten firmer and then then the next step would be is it the board of selectmen that decides whether they want to have a special town meeting to decide whether to as mark is saying to opt out of the different categories if we find yes to write the article yes counsel's advice ok and then if if we decide to do that based on whatever's on march fifteenth when do we have to have that done by april april tenth so we can handle that we've got time we can handle that and then then that would go to a special town meeting which is in my experience is not that big a deal unless it's called independently on its own in november it's not unusual to have a special town meeting inside of the annual town meeting schedule right so we don't have to worry about that and then depending on the outcome of that you actually have to have a vote to opt out of some of  well you would you would approve a by law which would in effect opt out one or more categories and then that by a law gets put on the ballot with a summary of its effect to be written by me for a yes or no vote by the voters at the ballot in a special in a special election which would have to come at least thirty five days after you vote you mean that sooner than thirty five days sooner or thirty five days after the special town meeting if it passed if that an opt out provision passed with specific language in it by law and then george wrote the summary as required by the law then you thirty five days after you fellows vot to pass that on and create an election for that question that's the soonest it could happen ok so we have thirty five days to come up with the question no no no the bow to town meeting h george writes his summary and you vote to put the bylaw as approved by town meeting with georgia summary on a ballot once you have collectively voted a majority you have you have voted the count begins the soon trace you have this right ok so well will depend on you all to keep the schedule and then given the importance of this issue i am going to allow comments on today from the audience  your first to thank you i just want to remind you you have to say your name and your dress and so on so the public knows who you are yes as a tell my name is penny pelkey schaefer and as a town meeting member from precinct seven i want to jack to the way that precinct seven was just characterized by mr williams in this conversation i've always looked upon the precincts as a kind of administrative construct to make the voting easier to happen and that each of us i should think about it as a precinct by precinct  results of the vote but as a town wide vote and the implication that because we are two family houses and thus we might be more tension i find really objectionable particularly since i think i've lived in this town longer than any of the three selectmen having moved here in one nine hundred seventy two so please mr williams in talking about disenfranchising people don't disenfranchise precincts seven just because we voted in favor please thank you for your opinion that was not my point i was responding to mark polow is point that seven hundred twelve people had voted in favor out of fourteen thousand and my point and i think the precincts are organized as precincts that two precincts represented ninety percent of that vote which i still maintain is a is a relevant point yes or it means tom l it's always campaigning to get in on this issue your stance is based on extrapolation assumption your soon contradict what george described to us that actually in this measure is voters we decided whether or not marijuana should be legal and that is in town we would have the option to opt out and so i would ask you that you would actually put a warning for the town meeting that would include the option for out of all types of marijuana or partial you allow the legislative process the town meeting to take forth and and come up with a decision  suitable for the town rather than assuming that because the majority vote was for it that that that was actually for i had been an actual institution for marijuana dispensary or whatever type of marijuana institution here here in our town we have a history  town that was a dry town for many years we have a lot of children and i think we need to be very careful about what we allow in her town that is to be decided by the voice of ten million and the voice of the town rather than by your sumption is about what people actually thought they were voting for the he said thank you crockett town mean member precinct five resident entrepreneur road i have to admit that i do not remember when i voted in november two thousand and sixteen looking back at the question it does say a city or town could hold a local vote to determine whether to permit the selling of marijuana and marijuana products for consumption on the premises at commercial establishments so looking at that as a voter it could have swayed me either way and i don't remember which way it's weight but that aside i think what you're what you're in a lot the line of thinking right now is that us selectman want to take kind of a poll of town meeting to ask us what we think and create a bylaw and then take that to the voters and ask them to approve it as a tell me member i don't feel comfortable making a decision unless i know what people in my precinct think and so because we have the april action we have an opportunity to ask this question why not ask the full opt out question on april ballot doesn't cost us any money to do that we go to town meeting one option is the full out opt out other options are they are just well after that ten meet in turn means that we're done if ten million said something else then we go back to the voters right that vote i think could actually happen still be followed me here that vote could actually happen before the june town meetings are finished but i couldn't it could right but w million another chance to look at it again is that question makes sense so the question is so we could have the april vote right we could go to town meeting in town meeting also says no  everybody's lives are it's easier right or you go to town meeting meaning decide something different which is fine right but i would decide that knowing what my precinct things right would go out to a special town meeting so i'd like to propose that as an idea what do you say to that and i'm not changing my point of view and i think if they for their input you i think if they came up with regulations from the state in february fifteenth instead of march fifteenth we might have time to do that but i don't want to put new thing on a vote until i know what the state's going to do because it may be not objectionable maybe entirely but i can more maybe something in between  do reject the sort of idea that because this is coming that we ought to just accept it in just profit with taxes it's sort of saying you know the plague is coming let's just get sick and profit from health care for so i think it's upon those at the table to think about what implication this is for not just in terms of economic outcome but also the implication for children and what that thanks pam eager and precinct eight are precinct voted overwhelmingly against the law and i feel like what mrs christ said makes a lot of sense and i can't see how it hurt anything to have the town give their opinions again in the election in april that that leaves plenty of time for the for the town meeting to talk about it and i feel like  there are so many families in town that could be adversely affected by the presence of more drugs and this to me just opens up a can of worms that's going to make it harder to keep our children safe every better to know again updated what the town what the members of this town would like to do the people who live here and i don't see how having another vote would hurt at all i can only see how it  just one clarification point that has not come up in order should you gentlemen decide that you want to put this ballot question any kind of ballot question for recreational marijuana on the able third annual town election i would like to point out that it hasn't been mentioned that almost over fourteen thousand people voted in the election in november of two thousand and sixteen important difference between the election that was held that said over seven thousand people supported the retail sale of marijuana if you go to a town election you are talking much smaller proportion of the people in this town and i think that's an important consideration bonnie friedman precinct three i was going to say something similar to mary just use percentages that it's really hard to get a good turnout at town election and i just don't think the numbers whatever they are will be anything close if you could get fourteen thousand people to show up at town election i think a lot of people in this room would celebrate that but if we get a few thousand i don't think that's very relevant when this ballot question got tons of advertising and tons of publicity and people knew what they were voting for at the time but also i'd like to add that the advantage of having the state regulations and then us doing a thorough analysis and deciding what our town regulations are is that we can have a lot more control than as i believe adam said if there's a store and fresh pond we have no control on it if we have a store in belmont we have a lot more control the more control we have the more we can choose hopefully wisely who actually accesses the store what kind of store it is and keep it out of the high school maybe keep it out of the colleges choose regulations like for instance cigarettes we have far lower rate of cigarette use in our high school than in the neighboring town i really look forward to having belmont get involved so we can do it well thank  you the point about the number of people voting in the election is an interesting one on the other hand while it's true that fourteen thousand people voted in november the other way that i'd be say we need to have it up so it wasn't it is definitely it's definitely concern if you end up with five thousand people voting and undoing something the fourteen thousand people voted on just doesn't seem terribly fair but on the other hand i think my mark's point though earlier is correct i think without knowing what the regulations are what the rules are with the categories are going to be it's impossible for us to really do much of anything at this point we don't have to because as alan stated we have time so i would like to see what happens on march fifteenth and then we can move on from there and i don't think  close is the issue certain categories but minded about thinking about yeah i think that that's exactly the way it should be because this is a different this is now the regulations that come out it's a little shifting landscape just keeps moving around and it's a little different story and i guess we just continue to watch it shift until it stops shifting somewhat so we can make an intelligent decision we don't have to do it tonight february twenty sixth was the deadline for a ballot question on april third so if we wait t march fifteenth then we can put it on the ballot and people are sort of saying if the if the regulations are coming in february fifteenth then we would be on cycle but that's just not the way this is going to time out i mean the way it is i mean i also take the point that julie is making that if you're a town meeting member and you don't know what your precinct thinks because it's never been asked a question that would be a problem for me as well but i don't think we're going to get any further tonight than  discussed so correct me if i'm wrong this year we're going to wait until march fifteenth that's right even though we're going to keep thinking more sooner we can keep you'll keep us updated as the legislation meet as soon as possible after the fifteenth so that we can follow that we have a direction that whatever it may be i would be happy to do that and then depending on what those regulations are then we'll take a look at what the options are that's correct  and then you would propose that any that you or we find objectionable we put that on a warrant for a special town meeting just here we meet march twenty sixth as a regular matter of regular course  what i think it's too speculative at this point to say anything like that but there are categories that concern me just based on somehow that viewpoint needs to be considered if it were two it would be different but i think that the election i personally think the election was close enough that somehow we need to check with the populace  one other thing but if you want to do go in order that's right and he genuinely think this is a very ok go ahead all right so first of all i do thank you for bringing this up again i did create packets i apologize patrice that i didn't get them to  that was given to the hughes commission over the course of the years i then and i have to really commend your town clerks staff because they pulled quite a bit of this for me these are the reports over several years from the health department over the years commission so you can read accordingly there was a communication with the selectmen for a charge and another one for the make up of the commission and then finally i included some of the minutes i actually had them in my computer from our youth coordinator of some of the activities to give you a flavor of what we did so again historically if you go back into the seventy's and eighty's which actually predates me there was something called the youth which was a meeting that was held monthly with several departments the police the school superintendent the department of health i believe dare was represented and they were the ones that kind of over sore activities in this town for youth that unfortunately faded over time and eventually a use commission was created and was staffed by this board with members it was an independent body and the person that over sort an employee of one was actually given a position as a department head and as a licensed social worker which is why the initial salaries came in so high it was a forty hour position that existed until two thousand could meet until two thousand three when it was cut down the director resigned and the program became administered really under the health department and the reason for that was very simple we had a of course continue to exist and it's to chafee was with us for a while eventually he left we wanted to hiring an intern which is why salaries went down again and unfortunately in two thousand and eight and i'm quoting up to salvaging the youth commission many years ago the board the health is very disappointed that the commission has been resolved due to costs but hope that in better times better fiscal times the program can be expanded again the outreach worker which is on the new thor purview was well was spending increasing amounts of time working with families and children to better define her role we created the youth and family services coordinator and several of the programs that were near and dear to the community were handed over to the rec department along with any leftover funds and two members of the youth commission became members of the recreation department that was how it was left no i'm not going to go into all the wonderful things we did you can read about it though i'm certainly happy to i did was fortune up to chair this for the seven years and i sat to and saying we really need to bring this back and i think ten years has gone by i think we need to bring it back i campaigned on this is something that i feel strongly we should bring back in the core a city that is a town that is really family oriented and child oriented in a many and when you hear people talk about the recreational marijuana they're concerned about the kids i think we need to do is have a commission in place it doesn't have to be like it was before it could be staffed differently you don't it could be budgeted differently it could have different parameters because i think that that that needs to happen anyway but i think we need to put the commission back in place probably put it under the board of health again and have it up and running what i would ask what i would like to have come out of this because we're still the we haven't really gotten into the budget process in depth what has the time to minister ater to come up with a proposal after talking with the board of health and budget amount that they feel like they could get it off the ground and get it going that's what i would like to see this year  a i actually support that i mean i think it was in the work commute time this was the fund it there's also some personnel changes things that well the timing was good that was correct yeah and so since i've been on the board as well i've been talking about you was organized what what's the purpose of it and we have a kind of i mean there's only so much you can do if we're at the initial mission statement is in your packet again i'm not going to ask you to do that i will tell you that my board voted approximately two hours ago unanimously to take it on again if this is the will drop in center at the butler kappa tory and i think it's called where we would get as many as one hundred children on a friday night that were doing nothing more than just hanging out on there a little bit of adult supervision we would take over the movie theater jim was really very generous and we would open the movie theater to appropriate films so on early release days one was for younger kids one was for older kids we started and as she did that having a teen drop in center i actually was able to get an architect to redesign the electric light building across the way so that we get sorted into a teen center unfortunately didn't get much broader than the architecture i think one of the best days i've ever seen in belmont was the day the pool opened and they had  jumping the thing in the you know in the grass and we can still sure and then they had free hot dogs and popcorn popcorn and popsicles and then that night there was a movie and i'm thinking damn it be great to be a sixth grader in belmont million dollars budget if we can't find something for a youth commission shame on us a man ok so i said record what you propose we don't need to make a motion we need to vote on i think you know i just need some direction to give ok all right very fortunately i'm enjoying lunch demolition delay please because here's what's going on well derek is not here derek staples is going to have to continue i mean i have a motion to continue that please all right during the staples is not here are since they didn't comment on them in terms of the relevance to our building we see the same thing so we're not discussing those issues the issues come down to  by law says that i don't see the building bodies distinctive characteristics of type period method of construction and to the letter that we received as a rebuttal from the  both of which we do do not have a distinctive rand which is also a fancy way to say covered porch we have a covered porch but it's not a distinctive rand that the house  hundred two from high school i went to one year of college then proceeded to work for a firm called wait and cutter as a draftsman after that he proceeded to work for a company called peabody and stearns i don't know what the position was there but that would make him at the age of thirty when he worked on our our house i don't think based on being a draftsman for five years i would have  master architect when he worked on our plans for our house as far as possessing high artistic value there aren't there are not any ornamental features to our home nothing more nate so the that really is a no and then the represents a significant and distinguished and entity whose components may lack individual distinction i think this is saying that the somehow the example in belmont beginning with the publication of the belmont architectural development of the town of holmes in one nine hundred eighty four which is this publication here in fact the only adjective used in the one sentence were home is referenced is good and i would say that good does not equal significant that there is a distinction between the two and moving on to thousand and eleven i have no idea what storage features were lost in the chain going process and what present day shingling processes it was replaced with so this seems to be that building inclusion of the property unless would be a manifest error therefore fifty two bush street should be should not be included in the demolition date delayed by law the of significant buildings and i thank you for your time and attention to this matter thank you for your presentation i want to add though that we're not in such a rush that you can't say what you wish to say so certainly do you have anything else to say no no this time circuit  of checking about how history has judged this this particular architect and i can tell you that there is at least one building designed by greco that is listed on the national register of historic places several architectural journals the first of which published in one thousand nine hundred eighty nine published examples of mr buildings that have been published in architectural design review journals that talk about the distinctive features of mr greco as work i will also say that mr grech owes work is included and discussed in architectural guides for several cities in the u s that includes cleveland and miami with regard to training i think one of things we find i happened to do you know historical work related to design professionals in the us it's my profession one of the things we find for individuals who are born in the nineteenth century before  are really established in the us any case is architectural or design training is is done through less formal means than is done today where you go to work an accredited architectural school you're licensed and so forth so we are talking about someone who practiced a century ago and the way that education involved is a little bit different  the bottom line really is you know our i think that the appeal process is meant to for you to decide whether are not the property owner has demonstrated that the house does not meet the criteria in the bylaw and this it is the opinion of the historic district commission that this is a very distinctive house it was yes  it was included in the town of holmes books the fact that it was included is noteworthy and that was one of the reasons why the the consultant who looked at a lot of different sources and picking which houses to inventory why she chose that house to to inventory their other houses nearby  we talk yeah well i mean i have gone through this the fact that it was in the book back in the eighty's and the fact that was chosen again by different expert and now chosen again by a second expert leads me to believe as someone who's not historical expert that there's probably something here i'm looking at the research on it i mean i think it's a very cool house that you have a very and very pretty it's a i think that that does fall into master architect i think what lawrence said is actually correct about the education of us just how it was done back  then i think that being on the list is a very very small matter to be honest with you it's a very weak historical protection all that being on the list means that if you want to demolish the house it's just for demonic demolition if you want to demolish the house you have to wait  a year that's it that's all it is you can still demolish it sell it to someone that wanted the most of the of the way here that's all it is it's it's just for demolition only it doesn't prevent you from doing additions or painting or anything else like you want to do it doesn't affect transfer ability it doesn't do really anything i think it's extremely small burden to be on the list i think there should be an extremely large reason to get off of the list after several experts have done it and after a town meeting approved the list town meeting voted this list you may recall than initially historic district commission brought a much larger list and then after back and forth and some push back the list was called down to more essential houses because we there was a feeling that had gone too far field and this made the cut i think that this is this is been through several cuts at this point i think it is significant to the style of architecture or used as a church parsonage the fact that this architect it may have been an earlier example of his work if he was thirty at the time i believe you i don't know but that doesn't mean that is after his whole career was over that he wasn't you know somebody could be famous later in the early work takes on additional important so i would think that there's i don't see really any reason to take it off the list to be honest with you that's my opinion i think it should be a very high bar to i appreciate the comments on the positive comments on the house we enjoyed the house was beautiful school gardens but is it or just because of the color but if you look at the house in black and white i do have a picture of a black or white it's actually really nice and black and white right ok so i just want to make things exactly but it still has the potential to be a financial impediment to us if we had to sell quickly and someone not us we would like the house we're not going to tear it down we've actually probably made it by investing in it and of an economical for someone to tear down without being on this list but if someone wanted to tear it down they would obviously have to carry the house for that period of time and so they could end up lowering their offer to us by fifty sixty eighty thousand dollars depending on interest rates at that time  that so there is there is the potential to have influence and impact on us as owners if it hasn't been my experience in my law practice to another town's working with demolition delaying going in front of a store commissions and going you know having to do that because what happens is someone wants to buy it and if you're tearing it down and building new you're going to have to go to the zoning board of the planning board you have to do plans and go through the process and honestly you go and apply for the demo permit and then you spend that year dealing with the zoning board of the planning board and getting plans drawn up by the time you're done with that the year is gone and additional restriction on the potential pool of time really mine really really well so the number of potential people would be limited by the fact that you've got this additional causing conference on it where you can remember this came out of this whole done with the lake came out of the church being torn down a waverly square and the clark county being demolished in that town meeting and everyone stood up and say wait a minute we're sick of these historical assets in town being torn down willy nilly we need to put the brakes on this and this demolition delay was a has to replace because you're going to get it while there's one other thing in it what is i'm curious what is your true motivation on this i mean you object to being on the demolition list or you actually feel you're being harmed the house was overlooked if it was truly significant why wasn't it chosen the first go around you know so it isn't as though it's in the eyes of the people on the commission it wasn't worthy on the first step  it doesn't seem so just because a couple years have gone by or because you know we painted it in people come by and look at it and don't look at it in black and white when they're standing in front of the house so you know it's hard to say why people say it's a nice looking building so that's the first point is to get an accurate assessment of the list if just because it's it's old it may have been included in the reason the other thing about this book is it was commissioned by the historic district and now the stork district is using it somewhat as a basis to say this is an example of why this home should be included on the demolition as i understand are you really don't think i'm not don't know i know it's not a real estate discussion i'm sorry i'm curious about your motivation it seems to us that times change and as they change we don't know what tomorrow is going to bring we don't achieve for the whole thing the other concern that we have is that some of the premises we think are erroneous so for example thank you lord for the further background on the architect background that we did the majority of the buildings that we did  have any background of why it wasn't included on the original list oh yes absa can tell you absolutely why it was wasn't on the original list when the original list was created it was based on it wasn't we didn't just you know come up with a random it wasn't random or arbitrary it was based on inventory forms that were at the massachusetts historical commission so there was no form for your house at that time therefore however we felt about the importance of it there was no backup information to recommend it for the last so that's why it wasn't you know on the list and when the new consultant undertook the historic resource survey completed and sixteen one of her task was to look for holes and things that you know didn't you know drop through the drop through the cracks and and i think your house was was one of them so that's the reason greco is that as his private practice you know advanced in his career he did take on bigger commissions so it was a lot of civic so my name is in show and i am the president of the belmont food collaborative the nonprofit that runs the farmer's market and i'm here tonight to request permission to use the back of the we recently renovated the old macy's building ok so where do we stand on this so sure so  i it seems like we you know we respect and appreciate the farmer's market part of the issue that i think is at our last meeting i thought we were trying to reach some form of consensus one of the most critical points and i think all three selectmen at that time said we understand there are several concerns we want to work with you obviously we'd love to work with farmers market part of the main issue is input and notice three or four of our members that the agenda of the farmer market was not going to be on tonight's agenda gerry dick out who calls the filler with us now and i got notice last thursday i've had no discussion from the time between now and then but the other thing is we want to work with we've farmers i think there's been a misunderstanding it is not against the farmers market i think really what we want to use the other thing is i think the selectmen and i appreciate i think there is a understanding that it's important to support the the business environment sattar absolutely i think there's also a commitment from the selectmen or should be that we look at the c s u carefully each year we should look at park and demand and then we should also look at the impact on businesses so before we talk about where when the farmer's market is located if necessary or for political we should just accordingly this year was a big year we opened several of the new stories into it by the way thank you and we made a major financial commitment and in advance of that twelve years ago like a tele property donated part of a land in order so that the town could really save the whole use of that park in the year after we don't need it that the farmer's market came in with not much input from business the input that the business is gave at that time was not very favorable but it went ahead so we've we've had to work with the farmers markets and say what we'd like to do is somehow find a more positive solution  the issue we have is this year several or most of our new businesses are going to open i think you know most people would recognize if you come into the center if you look at the typical peak parking period now from ten until two thirty in the core belmont center and it's recognized in the recent parking studies it's eighty to ninety percent fall so what happens on thursday and i know the farmer's market uses only a small portion of the park but they have employees they have customers thursday is a busy day we'd love to see if there are parking improvements that you can make thursday easier or if necessary you know working together does it make sense to look at a slightly different location still within the center but not really in the prime demand area for parking the prime demand area for parking is right in that parking lot so again i think that the key elements here i think are communication we'd like to be invited to a conversation that's longer more nuanced we would like to have the farmer's market feel supported by our group and vice versa i think there's a feeling now that this is happened that there's not much input from the merchants we haven't gotten much notice we don't want to be reactive against we much rather be supportive for so that's why that's where we're i think there are parking in prudence within the center even outside of farmer's market that shouldn't need to be made some have happened there have been meters leonard street the problem with the meters while it frees up parking there it increases demand on the parking lot so in and around belmont sant two thousand and eleven there was a parking study where the consultant hired by the town recommended additional parking in and around the outer fringe and that's what we'd like to look at so i think there's two issues here would like to work with the farmer's market but long term we want to have a separate longer discussion about park and that's make you know my wife would like to see i guess what the other side talk of the farmer's market when it was known when your deadlines were you know the telephone number and i think the group should have talked before what are we supposed to do so i beg pardon but unaware of the two attempted meetings i believe there was one scheduled for tomorrow tomorrow discuss i believe there was one scheduled for tomorrow which was canceled but not by us ok and also requested to come before you back in november so support i think it's a wonderful thing for our community we had made a commitment that the two groups would gather and discuss is there any like you suggest a different approach positive solutions parking matters not suggesting and you don't need the board of selectmen to sit in that meeting with you know we need you can pick the phone up and call the other side and discuss with them your needs and they can discuss their needs and i'm going to certainly unaware of of this being an issue of sides there's there's there's facts of which we have these parking numbers and there's we have done one survey which is to ask our shoppers where else they shop on thursday afternoons and a significant number of them are coming into the belmont center stores a lot of people have lined up their shopping to be foodies in the farmer's market during the season i guess i take exception to the notion that that there's an adversarial relationship where group of volunteers who meet on what i'm saying i'd like to i'd like to actually address several of kevin's points if i may like and i want to make them a very good point the issue relation be brought up in this matter i think it definitely should be brought up right now you know well hear me out that we can do that but i think there were three elements there are there are concerns from the merchants their concerns with the farmers market i'm willing and i think many other they were concerned about parking their me that loud and clear to us through a petition when i polled a number of the merchants they did as well nevertheless we move forward with the farmer's market but the time we said let's make a commitment if there are parking i mean this is the thirteenth season of this i think this will be a pro former approval every year you can't go changing the day the time the location of it year to year you're going to lose customers like you would with any business and i have to be watching that we have a look at it i mean i know i was at the discussion last year  to talk to each other so i was it was like we were they came here women i was sitting in the at back of the room when this was in the out of that was back in march before i sat on this board with a bunch of people just people i need to know when everyone thought the entire discussion was kind of honestly ridiculous because the why is there any drama about the farmer's market this should not even be a discussion the thing is every town towns let me finish towns keep adding farmers markets they keep adding days of the week to farmers markets and all the different squares and all the business centers and one of the problems that they're having and they're going to have is there aren't as many farmers as there are farmers markets now and there are some article i read recently about them i forget which publication but the thing is if they don't walk in these people these farms like now you're going to end up with them committed thursdays to other places in other towns and we're not going to have a farmer's market so the let me senator that is here i was there i did for office hours for months over the summer at the farmers market i sat at a table there for hours and i parked and i looked around there was always parking it's thursday afternoons mostly in the summer in the shoulder seasons i never saw when i was there for saying that for two hours at the spot at a time different months of the time that was open saw there being a massive parking problem and when the people in the community started coming and things got crazier is when the market shuts down for the day i foodies took part in it they i saw they had a booth there from time to time i saw people going into foodies or coming to the market with foodies bags and buying other stuff at them at the i don't understand why any of the businesses would ever and so my recollection from the meeting last year when the selection voted was that we were going to come back and talk to the selectmen in the fall about this not that not that we're just legend meeting with which which never occur center as second said we've we've had some of them come down the folks in the bookstore do this story time and parking just isn't a problem i can show you photos if you want we've i understand your point but and i'm he something you hand me right now that's not part of this is a fair process i want to have you understand truly we can be supportive so just let me feel better luck at teles been here for thirty five years we've donated land for the leonard street we helped donate land that saved the parking lot if we didn't donate that land the fire station would have taken that without much input and the farmer's market happened we had a sort of react to it i'm sure you don't want to feel reacted to or gas we don't want to either i think if we speak separately relatively quickly here we are there are a lot of positive things that we can come up with that will help both your group and our house and the town the other thing that's very careful to note you're recognizing where parking was five means macy's got really hurt by regulations that the town implemented to make sure the new businesses do well there are sets that we can work together so it helps both of us in the issue that we have is the parking of the last five years may be very different than the park in th spring or next spring or the year before and the year after that and that was the concern last year and that was one of the problems so we don't hear me out what i'm trying to do and i think the talent talent tends to be reactive they want to have forward with it but again we had made a commitment i made a personal commitment to number the merchants that at least we have one dialogue about it now we may not reach a consensus or agreement at least of if the groups could gather and understand perhaps some of the established businesses in the senate's concerns and parking and then sort of so see if there we have made a commitment to shias who say you know that we move forward to vote the merchants many that i spoke to have a concern about parking it may not be justified and agreed but all i'm saying is that man speak man speak john ok so one of our board members attends the monthly meetings of the belmont center business association one one of those meetings jim came specifically to talk about the parking issue and the farmer's market and yeah they were both there were so last year and no it was after the decision was made ok and talked i talked with fellas about counting parking spaces which we did every week two times we counted at three and we counted at five that's what this bar graph shows an average of those two times there were never last th i mean i understand what i'm concerned about the point you raise about being able to drive to our very successful farmer's market what is the deadline our goal was to send out applications in early february ok so our next me said one discussion and if nothing can be resolved when you come back here will prove it i mean i just want to see if there's something that can be done to accommodate some of the concerns of the local businesses that are there if not they will move forward so mike i guess my question is points are from the bonus in a business association we're not talking about those today so i don't understand what their input is if any of it is valid or not it's almost like we're just suggest either one meaning then come to us for two meetings and they come to us on the fifth and they will vote that's all and i think that's fair whether it's our fault that we didn't have to apologize we have a voice for not having met in the fall which we should have done but be that isn't it we are we are today if your deadline is early february we can meet at the absolutely and what we're looking to do to let you now is not only deal with the farmer's market but i think there are some real substantial steps that we can work with the town to improve parking that will not only have a park is a bigger issue though because you're still scouting bands that have there at least that is is there a meeting scheduled for them and is and if there's nothing there can be if they have concerns and if we can address that then we can address at least we know we've had a dialogue which made a commitment to do that we didn't do in the fall which we should have done and then on the fifth we will  about traffic but i'm just curious about if your tenants are i'm sorry i don't know your name or i don't even know if he supports you coming out and speaking against the farmer's market i'm not i'm not his chair and i have to say i that i've delayed that twice and under new rules my colleague adam who i respect wanted to put it on tonight i was opposed to having done to accommodate the concerns of the retail merchants the great if not then we're going to move forward anyway at least my point i mean interested in trying quality when people come to this meeting in you know they have to meet beforehand to decide what their issues are and what they can work out what they can just to have them come here this was on a smaller scale but farmers markets important it's just like bypassing the library board of trustees when you want to do something with a library you know you have to talk to the merchants when you want to when you want to have a farmer's market in the thirteenth year the thing i don't think it's like i know i know i wasn't going to go and i understand your opinion but not everybody is free and why can't it why can't the adults work it out between the two of them and then if they can't as mark says they come here and we go ok you know we have to do this or do that we don't we don't need to be in that role that's not my role that's for sure i don't represent the merchants or the farmers market and they need to work their problems out beforehand in my opinion the traffic would be this would be directed up goeden street but then what happened to it afterwards was the big question and if it makes a right it goes back to concord if it goes straight it goes goes to generate it makes a left fools to go it goes to burbank so camille had come before the traffic advisory committee seven months ago with his concern about the rush hour traffic problem and they told him that they couldn't you know i like the traffic advisory committee and i understand cheerfully yes and i'm the liaison and they told me he had to wait until the traffic presentation was made at the high school so that night it intersection of brighton and sandra and in the last few years we've seen the traffic become a real mess over there our neighborhood is gone my wife was born in that house so it just to be such a nice neighborhood and since then it's just this irritated specially in the last two or three years but conquered avenue was just as bad to belmont center is just as bad so it's a town whole town problem down white problem and so it has to be addressed so that's the first thing the next thing i want to say is that it's made the main reason for it all is that cut thro seem to be able to best through it's destroying a real estate values although that's not the reason for you to act but it is important and it's hurting local businesses people think that their figures have been looked at was a but it's hurting them because  terrible i mean people can't even walk and this is really terrible for the students walking to the high school or to limber up in the morning i mean all they're doing is good smelling the fumes in the evening so health problems are going to show up in the future because that's the problem i want to make a point that this school i think is a minor factor because the traffic jam started long before school time and go on long after school time and then in summer when there is no school the problem is still there so that's like that's not that's not the reason i mean i think this is dealing with that there's a problem of the school is a very good but that's an organic problem that can become think this is more important and then most of the problem is due to the commuters trying to avoid the route to that counts according to this but in one citizen forum they made a study out around th or something from route to traffic and they say it's about seventy percent at least i think it's closer to ninety percent on the brighton street i'd like to say one thing here glenn clancy has been very good to us you know he has been informing me of everything and so on and so forth meeting we sent an email to patrice and asked her to engage with the traffic advisory committee glen and glen has hired our normal traffic engineers he's going very small i mean because we live right there and we've seen it like that i met dick exponential increase but yes you're right the full year since we have we're proposing to  which i think is long term is consider congestion pricing and for that we may need the state legislation and so on and so forth to impose a steep fall on route two during rush hour traffic but that doesn't just involve belmore bets everybody although we could do the same by so let's look at it i propose that the private advisory committee last year and within twenty four hours when they invited us they got two hundred fifty signature and i was listening to the fourteen thousand i think if i went around town for two weeks i'll get you twenty thousand signatures telling  you know there are no left turn no right turn exist already so you know the legality of it we've already established that near my house if i want to go from my house to belmont center i meet about ten of these signs there's i think it's fifty signs like that game bridge has a lot more than us and they almost completely from the inside of cambridge i mean it's terrible but there is more of the more hundred sixty so i think this is cost effective and easy to implement and can be done right the way it is already being implemented in various towns across the americas so we are not unique in that maybe a year ago we were unique right now freeport california has implemented it and the only in new jersey is implemented can and there's others i have some references at the end now for easier implementation we can provide attack residents and businesses so each household would get like a tag for each car and then maybe visitors that just like parking in cambridge and if we wanted to we could even offer commuters very steep rates for them to buy these things but that's just a joke all right so let's look at one possibility here i have a i have a map in here if you look at it this is the access road of route two so if we put no right turn here and here and here and here and there no entry on these little side streets and no entry here for people coming out put no access during those times on these so we have eleven signs and then we put no left turn here to protect pleasant street because businesses can get backed up if everybody tries to go this way so with eleven signs we can solve the morning problem the evening problem much easier all we have to do is get near where i live and put the left turn only here right turn only here so they just go into a loop same thing on concord avenue we prevent them from going to row two and we put signs here telling them there is no access to route two between five and seven if you're a resident or business that you can you can have your the stickers will exist i think without the stickers the police objected saying it may be hard to implement i agree it's hard to implement but personally i think if we put down the science and inform the g p s companies we don't even need the tags i think the tags are an extra and then the other thing is to put the if if the if they say that's too much we can put you know there no access just which we for easier implementation that's the way i would see it and that as can be done now i mean within a month we could be finished with all the traffic problems right now and it's very low cost that doesn't cause us in fact we may even make money because it would remove fifty signs from the us from belmont for right now although i think it should be and the last page is simply a reference as i provided you four other towns that have done the same and what that what this is all about but that what i'm hoping to get today is that the problem is serious and the fact that   you know in the traveling true hopefully changed behavior that we felt that in beginning there were cars more congestion but people would stay on route to it work the other our development center reconstruction you know used to be a four lane almost a four lane highway in certain parts of town now in it and cutting sort of creating more gridlock there we felt we changed behavior it hasn't worked so we are cut through community people come through to go to cambridge all the time and that's a lot of the issues in the morning you have to do and so i mean it's not something that that we've ignored it's something we've tried to address through changing behavior perhaps some signage could do that i don't know how you is a problem i mean while we may not be able to do something is you know overarching is that there i think to be interesting the traffic advisory committee had to look into like what they do around wellington you know during rush hour no left turn here no right turn  sr but not not all over the place i think in targeted areas where the problem is if you do that then you start messing with people in belmont and their ability to go yeah so if you but if you and i want to get new emergency vehicles and i know once you start messing with like the federal highways like route two then you have to go to the federal highway administration they have to approve it so you have to be careful how far you push it before you get into a problem but i think there are probably tweaks and maybe traffic advisory committees the place to go to look into w strategically things can be done to manipulate the traffic to make it so that is you said i mean if it's if waste finds out or you know google maps finds out that you can't make a left on the concord avenue during rush hour bus stop sending people exactly that alcohol our group is patrons of belmont performing arts and we we support the belmont high school theater department it's really this year we spend ten thousand dollars on microphones and other things so it is a february ninth and it's at the beach street center oh seven o'clock it's a trivia competition with seems and we were doing so well that all final question are we going to totally destroy your place on people but it was a lot of fun and their food and drink and it was a good social occasion matching of wits it was if i'm going to be i've already sent a check for tickets for this year will be a good time to treat and we have our i have our insurance certificate and so you gave me permission to talk to kathy about some scenarios what i want out of this meeting tonight is an awareness and a discussion of what you and adam and i are going to do about the financial strategy because there's some interesting things that are coming up and  so i spent a couple hours with her and  first thing i was curious about and i didn't talk to your committee about it because i was doing this independently of you guys i mean you have plenty of time to get to work on this and help us and all that stuff because as you said last time you're going to continue yes i understand your meeting with the warrant committee on wednesday and we are meeting has and i sent you a copy of our agenda for tuesday and tomorrow night that's our first first class to go out of the building committee tomorrow and i'm not coming to the warrant committee on on wednesday but i would prefer that you know you well you can go over i don't know if you want to what time is your meeting tomorrow night seven when i bring this up next time after they've had a chance to me know maybe i'd rather go but i i would ask you i don't want this discussion to expand into the warrant for the i don't want seventeen other people talking to us about how work that you know about about our funding strongly a discussion so far for the  thank you mark well ok so i've seen this the valuation report is the first column that's the twelve million option and  alternative one is you keep the two fifty for two thousand and eighteen because we can't change and then the eight fifty for two thousand and nineteen is th enterprise funds paying five hundred seventy five thousand dollars in total and then just we just added the two fifty two it around it up to fifty that's where the so the eight fifty that you see there in two thousand nineteen is the enterprise funds paying their you know their share of their calculated share plus the two fifty for the town is going and then we said ok well let's  could actually take this out to twenty forty four because to pay it off by twenty forty one was a twenty four year payment plan which is pretty aggressive actually so she took out another looks like three years so that twenty forty four takes it out to twenty seven and then she just took it out to thirty in this all turns of three and then jeff asked me i talked to jeff about football stuff and i mentioned to him that i went to see her on tuesday afternoon by myself and spent a couple hours with her and told her that jeff just asked for a straight line and this is a straight line that's not that's how much it would cost a straight line this or you know alternative for you it's four million dollars so the point here is kind of what you were talking about earlier you know where we have to think about the whole kit and caboodle yeah because this this twelve million dollars and i know we haven't decided whether we're going to pay it or not but maybe by twenty thirty it will you know somebody all tell us we actually have to pay it this is this whole thing that the old committee did i think  it really supports the aaa going forward you know because one hundred million which went away i think it makes the seven to twelve option possible because you know instead of borrowing six hundred million we only have to borrow half a billion and you know in this is what i want to talk to you guys about the difference between twelve million and six million that four percent that six million dollar reduction in this obligation will fund hundred fifty million of the high school debt and it depends on how you can structure that that so in other words you know there was a criticism of floyd  presentation on thursday that you know floyd said well it is what it is but that's floyd's job you know the you know give away the number and then he says ok this is how much it cost issue thirty your debt it four percentage is what it is but our job is to see if we can structure a deal around that in order to do that we have to think of the total debt so i think i think we have we know we have i also met  with craig peacock on the two thousand and seventeen numbers last week i went went to his office and supper for two hours and went page by page and what's going to happen in two thousand and eighteen with regard to the open to liability i have the too late to do it now but i have the financial statements for two thousand and seventeen and the opus one hundred six million on those statements but craig told me on the two thousand and eighteen statements it's going to drop to ninety two so we're going to pick up in terms of the balance sheet that we're actually going to increase our net worth in two thousand and eighteen because of this things of thank you june thirtieth of two thousand and eighteen we're going to seventy five million on the pension ninety two million on the opeth which is one hundred sixty five million we're talking about borrowing another two hundred sixty million on twenty yes i think that for twenty we have another eighty million on the balance sheet now twenty one of which is related to wellington but let that go so that's that's a half a billion dollars in debt and then we have maybe another if you talk about the next ten years we have another hundred million going to have to do something with capital expenditures just hypothetically so that's is that right is that six hundred million dollars it's not possible i think it just you got you got seventy five plus ninety to one sixty seven close to sixty that for twenty seven plus eighty which is already there and they're saying that they're also you can apply for more than one thing at a time of the you may get it you may not but one of them had to do with forecasting with the financial forecasting so this i think is exactly what you're talking about so this means i don't have to run for broader sort of strategies on our pension approach or open approach shall include reserve policy or use of free cash or operating infrastructure or capital infrastructure i mean jim's right about that she is right in terms of the amount paid well so and well if i may be having sex over a half a billion dollars in debt on the balance sheet is not a joke i mean we really have to do something and i in my career i one time one time i made three offers to philip morris to be agent on a three billion dollar facility four times in six weeks and so i don't know what kind of people these are but you know i don't think we're we're like right up against issuing this school that but i think where we are is we have to we do have to explain to the the eight thousand five hundred homes that pay real estate taxes how this thing is going to work so if this if this help is right on i think ok but it can't take you know ten months to do no i don't because you can go to an there are there are recommendations in that task force report and you never really executed on you know especially on the council in terms of consolidation services way to save money collaboration in other communities because it's not sustainable and you know what all of the other things that we're face but from an infrastructure perspective and so a lot of those need to be reviewed as well as here you know i want to say that in defense of the people on the wall these these two two main problems that we had and have still open others under control i think we just need to figure out how to fund it but we're unfunded mandate you know so if you're if you're a board of selectmen you're sitting on this board you know when you're you're managing all the many things that go on in town all the sudden people go hey you have to fund your retirees health care their head you have to fund o i think the financial task force was a great move forward but i'm very uncomfortable with this idea of thinking about over a half a billion dollars  with the three of us or the three of anybody sitting here pretending that they can they know the way out of that because i don't think we have we have in the expertise but we can i think he has a point on it absolutely you have a question jim have scenarios alternative one two and four where the amount goes up beyond the utility six hundred thousand jobs and two million or in some cases four point four million where does that money come  something well i you know the problem i have with increasing taxes to pay for this is that once it's paid off it's paid off whereas you know like the trace contract you get you get the two million override and the thing small amounts of recycling million i don't know how to do it i don't know how to do it i think what we did was we started we started with the eight fifty and we did the straight line and then i think we started with column two and all the sudden what happened was the twelve million got cut to six and i went wow you know if you can get six million out of this schedule you can use that cash flow to fund the high school or define the new school building because it's right in the middle of the thirty year amortization it that starts in year ten is the reason we can extend extend this funding schedule under the reduce the twelve million she actually suggests this you know this three hundred that or thirty that's a thirty year deal and you can stick and you can drive that that six million dollar number down even further you know what let's say if you took this out made it thirty years you could you could drive that number to about three million a year then the question is where are you going to get that three millions right now but i don't know but i think we have to think about it differently you know because if you take three times thirty that's ninety million but if you add some of these other schedules up it's like one hundred fifty million i wouldn't mind the summary  of we were sent this right like to some right because obviously as you extend out you pay more right yeah yeah yeah ok thank you so i just thank you all for your thoughts and ideas and that is it is about finding when you get the fine it's an incent as well ok because i know you know from the egg would discussion our people said we were done i know and but whether that doesn't mean that there isn't things that we can check out the same sort of a response from kathy riley although she's going to check anyway we're looking for anything ok well i like this idea of going outside and i also want to mention that no one else in the government is responsible for this  so i don't like holding hands with a warrant committee i don't like holding hands i like holding hands with drought but you know that's because it's such a great community but you know it's it's up to us to softness and in the can take advice from other people i know but i buildings so in the event we have an issue with the boiler or roof concern or repair to stairs or any kinds of projects that were acquired that design specifications we don't have anyone on staff to do that and generally when these issues are are identified this mechanism allow us to have people who are familiar with who have staffing to meet our needs for the specific project that's before us and can help to develop specifications for bedding out the work and we've done this historically the r of these proposals for this last time that gerry boyle assembled on them prior to his retirement included a larger potential scope because some of the experience that we've had the last few years with projects has been beyond fifty thousand dollars threshold that had been for alan and so these they did every quest for proposal they received six responses and they evaluated them and the recommendation before you is to the highest three that were not you that process all of the projects that would come forward after you sign a contract some of them are capital funds some of them are within the operating budget at the facilities is an appropriation or any shows they're funding are really within the current budget i mean so how does this work till there's been a set aside for funds to use the house a we went over this last i mean there was just to put on the record that as i've said before that i do know one of the partners at s m a and while i got a q you know i already filed i filed allow a while back the disclosure form and it doesn't influence my decision on