temporary thirtieth the agenda calls for an update on free cash but that free cash number actually is delayed from the state department of revenue so we do not have free cash us tonight and  hopefully in the very near future i would also like to discuss and vote on song where all of the articles for a special town meeting and then because we are honored to have the presence of a bash tonight  just repeats up yes some of the very first meeting i've noticed since i've been watching a fair amount of video from the warrant committee on the board of selectmen the audio is sometimes a little muffled so i encourage everybody to speak of michael bieber's and kind of voice that comes across very well and it's a model for all of us but i'd like to begin with the minutes of our last meeting generally to the minutes and then we vote on them without much more discussion in the last set of minutes jim gamble have proposed something more substantive and i thought i'd give the nature of his  it's in my printout it's the fourth paragraph down and there are two changes within this first one first one i'll read and read would have moved and moved to the point that the fourth paragraph on the second page be edited by  change in the first sentence be starting a new paragraph with the lessons of the current paragraph and see adding additional senses to the new paragraph so that the edited new paragraphs well actually filed you are just for clarity so could you read way the first draft is it sounds like i'm like i was sort of pushing for them to be to be at them and instead i was just sort of noting that in in the may document they were there were two options being talked about and i was just curious if curious about learning how we went from two to one not necessarily questioning but would present them so that's the first and that that is the only change change  resonance with the bulk of it being done right on and then and then i'm and then the second change within this first amendment is to take that last sentence which reads member gammel also asked about the funding of the project as well as the bidding process and making that a new paragraph because we got a lot of in information that was new for me from from it and that the two topics there are what you got written in front of you was was a question about who is going to over oversee the project in and i think it's consensus that it's going to fall under the director of facilities gerry boyle and then and then the second statements in the presentation about how the new modular classrooms would be would be provisioned and sort of asking for some numbers to sort of go with that recognising that they would be paid for out of  so so that's my motion to amend it i don't know if there's any further changes that you'd like to propose well there's a there is one more yes sure i'm sure i'll just make it one great big motion and then at the end of page two there was a discussion about the space taskforce and i think i think that is i think what lisa who i worked with for two years  weren't one as the committee home secretary i think captures that well but what it sort of left me hanging and and i just wanted to capture what what what sort of the the final part of that conversation was and that's why i'm saying that  the language i'm proposing here is a new paragraph saying that chair stein asked member gammel if you had a question that had not been answered member gammel ask who is the chair of the school committee finance  committee school committee chair for your e three really responded that there is no chair and that the three school committee members on the finance committee meet as as a group and that's a guarantee of truth i just think it's premature and then the second one the final paragraph i just think it's a little misleading to say that the fight those letters meet as a group i would simply say so i didn't bring print them out bring them with me so i'm not able to what i recall about that conversation was the discussion about whether there was a chair then there were a long series of statements about how none of the school subcommittees have chairs and then a whole bunch of other this practice is not an exception i think i came away from that dialogue with a clear sense that whatever their practice is is not exceptional but is more the norm so is that reflected in the rest of the ok so as is the custom for all school committee so i mean it's ok here and here here is the new proposed final final paragraph chair  member gammel if he had a question that had not been answered member panel asked who was the chair of the school committee finance committee school committee chair fiore responded that there is no chair as is the custom for all school committee so committees earlier the directional variance would be exactly the opposite right now we're showing more revenue from july first through september thirtieth than last year if we had that incentive to get people to buy them earlier we would have seen a lot of show it i only have the thought that winter was never going to end and all the sudden it was summer so i think we did have sort of a strange anomaly in terms of the weather and it was really hot and then suddenly it was hot  so the actual receipts for the first quarter so far been one hundred eighty thousand two hundred fifty two hundred fifty thousand the year before is there any reason at this time right part of that is the fee structure for  point out of the reserve fund balance which is the i think it is the expected draw for free cash to make the operating budget hole so the two point three two million so that's an increase of six hundred and six hundred seventeen thousand dollars so it will be important to know  but but how does that actually how does that work in practice it would with the use it is is the segregation of funds so clean that one could say well that the actual  because there are some things that are not not all the line items are collected are drawn down each quarter so in some cases things are  by account for insurance provisions and for for example property casualty reallocated under the enterprise funds and  i'm new with this but it would seem to me right now our crust quarter revenues were twenty seven million in the jumping to the second last page or they are total expenditures were twenty four twenty five million if those numbers were reversed i presume we would have to be drawing down our free cash to fill the gap but the fact that revenues are exceeding expenses in the first quarter presumably means we wouldn't have to draw free cash until such time as that flipped and that and the debt service schedule all of those things sort of play into timing and so you know we had the cash flow is a factor that we look at but because of the way expenses are drawn down and some accounts they're not thirtieth we'd find that we drew down free cash by two point three million but i guess it's also possible if revenues didn't materialize as expected or expenses were greater than expected the  and understand all i'm suggesting i guess that for many of these other accounts certainly by the third quarter you expect to have a pretty good sense of how the year will turn out relative to the budget but free cash is something where there could be a lot of  fourth quarter you know i mean i think we have got a different view and that's you know the town can't take more than the two point three that i mean this past year the one point seven million that the county voted and it's a revenue source and that's actually fixed you know the if if there is other if there's a variance in terms of other kinds of the accounts you know phyllis we come to the war committee for a transfer from the war an and so that separate thing from budgets versus making sure you've got enough cash in your checking account to make checks clear and that's and that's not a problem right right but but the spending or the lack of lack of revenue from other sorry if i created some confusion here so let me restate it the just so we all are clear on what we're doing the the f y eighteen budget is calling for the use of two point three two million free cash and i guess what i'm certainly not clear in my own mind is is that it is that year so there is more snow they come to us on on that for example the town town meeting has appropriated a certain amount to be put in this budget was in the war last time and so we can't spend any more than that the you've got that in the budget the end the year you look at what if your revenues were higher and your expenses were lower and that ends up flowing to free cash and has in it that that line invested in it so you know it's either more than two point my characterization a second ago that we're in that we didn't have to dip into free cash because revenues exceeded expenses but now i'm hearing something different about the checking account if our expenses in the first quarter were twenty six million and our revenue was twenty five million would we have had to have dipped into that two point three million to balance the the number this year or is there money in a checking account in a balance sheet sense that's not would with the quarter the quarterly budget show a million expenditure of that twenty three mm that two point three million i mean i mean free cash is neither free nor nor cash you know it is it is it is and account that that is on the books it's an uncertified every year as mike is mike talked about negative net income number if you will if total expenses exceeded total revenue we wouldn't have to show an allocation of free cash to make that balance we could that they don't do that for good reasons and that's why it's so i just want to say that we're getting into the weeds here but i think it's the free cash is going to be such an important line item this year that i think it's useful that we all have a clear understanding of what's going on yeah i'm not sure it's really a line item as much as to and point she was starting down that path break the free cash number that we send to the state is what when we finish out the year and the end of the fiscal year june thirty and we all the bills are paid for that year that are allowed by law an income burden perfectly appropriated all those bills are paid out and then we look at the expenditures and we look at the difference between what we spend and what we what we budgeted and what we turn back so things that we have budgeted that we don't end up spending we turned back as you know and that's the number that we submitted to the state and it takes some time even though the period ends june thirty it takes you know nobody finishes paying their bills on june thirtieth so it takes a month or six weeks to pay out everything that's due and tally up the books we submit that information to the state and then they certify the free cash number as a result of that and that's what that number as you may recall from every annual town meeting everyone says what's in free cash we do budget and we have it's my understanding for at least four years and longer than that you have some portion of free cash to balance the budget and that is described previously and you will recall from the warrants in the motions for manual t meeting that money is in fact appropriated as part of the budget everyone asks every year for the balance of free cash and we report that and even last year there was a significant discussion about should we move money from free cash into the stabilization and all of that is discussed at town meeting with appropriations and as i said earlier the only one by law that you're allowed to run a deficit on is snow and ice and as you recall  came to the war committee last year and said we would like to have a transfer because we need the money to cover for the snow and ice events we had last year last winter so there is an exercise but the we have our bylaws required to balance our budget every year right we are not required to balance our budget every quarter right right so it is possible for us to spend more money in a quarter than we actually have taken and for the property tax for the sake of argument as long as we are around in the end and so that may require your drastic moves and sometimes for example we see you know a great deal expenditure in in the school budget in you know special education right there has to be cut back up to make sure that we have a balanced budget  end you don't have to balance a budget every day or recorder you have to balance in the end that's a part of this process making sure that we're on track to do that so that we can make the kinds of changes well enough in advance right that i get that right yes and that that's why we have these discussions with you and someone said earlier why we look at these numbers quarterly why we come to you because there are that's exactly correct and we you know we're just trying to be informed that's why sometimes things don't get spent until the fourth quarter because we're trying to see make sure that we're not going to have a problem on the budget so there are some capital projects that are associated with schools as you know that don't get done and tell schools out but we try to make sure that we have because capital money is not  well actually let me ask for transfer from left over capital items is a lot smaller this year than last year and just could you define borders exactly what that line is if a project closes at the capital project when a capital project closes out not if and there is there is money left that was appropriated but not expended in the event that we have a fire truck in the price of the fire truck comes in below what we had budgeted under the capitol then and  your lead on that and they if that was an item that was extensively discussed by the financial taskforce there was a lot of discussion around that and i know it's been raised before like there's something we're not sure there's a report there was a discussion by the financial taskforce as one of those revenue sources that the town should look at and i know there have been efforts and discussion well my takeaway from the general from the revenue side of this what's the bottom line where the  ten million which is a difference of roughly three point seven and that seems to be in the end  entirely driven by the property tax line because that number goes up by roughly three point seven goes for eighty four point seven of eighty eight point five which suggests that all of the lines in between which are smaller magnitude have random variances up and down the net effect is actually year over year is no change in early six months earlier so there's no one but i mean one of these actually and i'll just visit you may have provided some previously but this is the seventeen actual this doesn't show the seventeen budgets have i reviewed the difference between the seventeen actual seventeen budget because that which is around seven million dollars so one percent of that is seventy thousand dollars which is medium size medium sized medium so it's up to wish and you know in special cases the tuition could be three times that but it's the order of magnitude over one or two percent variance per year per student and so i think that in the school i think the school controller actually does have a pretty good handle on what will be subject to the fact that  the revenue portion of this report and the expense portion were prepared by different people were different groups is there any way we can just use the same format as to where the columns appear so f y but you know judy because it would just make it any meaningful variances that we should be aware of on either the revenue side or the expense side in q one is there anything that we should be aware of that we should be paying attention to or is basically retracting from your perspective i think everything's tracking and that that for the first quarter i was really pleased because i when we looked at them and that's why i said at the beginning i think on the whole where we're consistent with what we've done with what we've done in the past i think that's the value in looking at them quarterly comparing seventeen and sixteen is that we because that helps sort of what i tried to speak to earlier about some of the some accounts are paid out they're not paid out evenly they're not a quarterly amount so the comparison for the first quarter for each of those fiscal years should represent like in recreation and should be relatively comparable in terms of insurance it should be relatively comparable in terms of salaries it should be relatively comparable the things that are  consistent throughout each quarter our facilities expenditures which that's what i was just looking at there's not anything screaming out but some of those facilities capital projects that are worked on or are not even those payments are done even throughout the quarters so i didn't see anything that was alarming and first and that's why i think that's a valuable exercise and in going through some of these lines and obviously what i was worried about was looking at the facilities and how those projects are paid out some of them are behind some of them are head that would be one that's really hard to to talk because it depends on which buildings are getting more done but i do i when we looked at them among the changes a person that was that person from deal our is not there anymore she retired and i've had some issues we need to talk to them every day to try and remind everyone that we have a special timely member thirteenth and it discussion for tonight was because i was told that the end of september that we would have a number by tonight this seemed like as close to town meeting as i want to get but circumstances have intervened we do not have a number and it's i don't want to put forward any kind of preliminary number because there's very little time to correct to correct any misimpression before a town meeting was once you stated number that it will be a source of confusion of a different significantly from the actual numbers so i think well that's what i was asking you have been historically big that says well even if yes or no life if i don't know that actually the pattern of the past but i think we need a reliable number this  dialogue there there has been some dialogue about some things and as i tried said before there we have a new person in the past the person came out and met with us and sat with us and they're already getting close of indices yes this is getting very close i was hoping to cover this ground tonight but given the reality of the schedule we may have to either to be next week which i was hoping not to do or caucus before town meeting effect you know what our revenue wasn't in excess of plan and what our expense firm backs are but traditionally that number has been in the two and a half to four range and so it's probably going to be we're going to end up with six to seven million or something like that of free cas what d l r does they you know they acknowledge our budget that's why we're required to submit this documentation and then once they decide we have to scratch it before they certify it once they do that that's the number jim  d i just like to follow follow on with mike and say and we don't even have to go through that that very well thought out proxy mation i mean we there is a fact about what the number is that we submitted and we understand submission is different from certification but that there's no reason not to share that that fact about what the submission was just so we don't have to have i think speculation i think david has in the past and perhaps you feel better some to not actually give the exact number because it is a spectator's i don't know if you can give an approximation or i guess the i think everyone's resonance is that they get to decide so and i am nervous about putting out a number information to think about so that if hopefully vilar will finish its work in the very near future if it doesn't i think i would suggest presenting whatever estimate the town accounts prepared on october sixth which just that they'd she submitted and make it totally clear that this is an estimate and right so i guess what i would pose is that i can give you as we have in the past what that free cash has been for the prior years and i'm again i'm hoping all of this me we we don't have it and i was given a slender read of hope that the deal or it would have provided us with the actual result today that didn't happen  that that's a situation where but i will give some thought to this because it's not just town meeting the the war briefing  monday night next week and you know it may be advisable to have if we don't have a certified number to have at least have the preliminary of living or a number even next monday night because it's very likely so we did need to move on to the actual special kind of meeting article so let us let me commit to doing two addressing this issue in some way before monday night and circulate a number to this group and to the school regarding the school building revolving fund and why it wasn't listed in this article and that's because the school building involving prime is not in chapter fifty three creating a new revolving around that revolving fund is not going to be funded right it's just a line item will be created so there's really nothing for us to opine on in my view so it's a right yeah design and authorization of a building committee for the public department of public works building short term option and this lease building short term option and just to recap  of this article is to appropriate three hundred eighty three thousand two hundred thirty dollars from the the kendo insurance account and use that to finish up the design work for the police in d v w projects we've discussed with the expectation that it's approved by town meeting that the work of this design work to be done over the winter and then the request to be put to time be in the spring to fund the actual construction which would be a completely separate issue with its own budget so we've discussed this a bit of this i'm happy to discuss it further if there's any wish to otherwise i think we're ready to vote on article for remind you what that's about library trustees say they need three hundred they need a total of three hundred thousand dollars to complete schematic design of the new library the town has been asked to contribute one hundred fifty thousand dollars which would come from the candle insurance account and then separately the library trustees have access to another hundred fifty thousand dollars and they would control the best that would not be a town appropriation so article five is really asking town meeting to approve one hundred fifty thousand dollars as the town's contribution to the other two hundred fifty is for the library foundation not from the trustees  ok that's all ok and the idea is if article five is approved by town meeting the schematic design would continue they've already in a fair amount of work they presented five is monies to complete the secure magic design portion of it and we should note that this is so they can go out and probably fundraise money towards the library project to reduce the amount of any debt exclusion they feel like they cannot do the fundraising effectively without having a schematic designed to show people what their fundraising for so with that i've entertained emotion on article five second all those in favor of article body we are not going to opine on that petition but i would encourage any member of this committee was also a member of town meeting for those interested in this topic article three which is the appropriation for the burbank school modulars the number in the warrant was approximately two point six million  there have been some developments in the last few days where that project has now increased by another hundred thirty six thousand dollars because the scope of work a priest so it is roughly two point seven two point seven three million something like that here is my concern about article three i imagine especially based on the presentation by superintendent family last week that we all appreciate the the need for this project the lack of space all the reasons i gave rise to introducing this article in the first place my concern is that there has been no discussion of the is you know is not the school committee so the war committee does not have to argue the merits of this project from an educational point of view our charge is to say something about the merits of the financing of this project and at the moment we don't really have much to go on the we have not gotten any guidance from selectmen how they intend to pay for this i am certain that there is money in the town pay for this but we are not i don't think it's appropriate for us  to vote in article three until we get all of them to put it this way until we get some indication of the funding source because the war committee is expected to  say something about the funding source that being said let me just finish one more thing like if we do not hear anything from the board of select come monday night i have had some informal a but inconclusive discussions with the town treasurer i would consider having us caucus as a body on monday night before town meeting or that the night of town meeting and actually formulate at least a tentative recommendation it's not usually our place to make  y recommendations but given the importance of this project and the lack of action to date is in outlining the financing plan i'm i would consider the work committee  doing something that's a little bit unusual and recommending a financing plan because this question is likely to come up actually not just that at town meeting but at the word briefing and it's i'm a little concerned right now about the the lack of clarity is from my point of view on how this project is the stabilization fund to fund the debt service for the first year and that's the reason for the structure of the  motion stabilization fund has been suggested in this fashion with that treasure because nature of the modular classrooms which is more operational due out of free cash and put it into the stabilization fund one of the reasons i opposed it although the prior year i was in favor of it was i knew this was coming and we we we knew we were going to be taking the money how we had a fall town meeting and why put in the stabilization fund  this procedural issue when in fact we know we're going to be dipping into it so now we're dipping into it as we said we were probably going to do and now it's in stabilization fund there was some free cash so now we're taking about the stabilization  fund it has stayed in free country would have been taking on a free cash but that's where it is right and i certainly recall the discussion of of not putting the the money into the stabilization fund last spring for that very reason but is that now that is the formal recommendation by the board of selectmen that the debt service in the first year be paid for by drawing down on the stabilization fund well we haven't discussed it so i can't speak as far as  policy the board is looking as we're taking it up monday night which i know it isn't necessarily help you at the moment but that's that's the schedule under which i am so the we're taking it up monday night who we will discuss it and that's the recommendation that we've received from the time the ministry of her and we then what the town is committed to allow that spending and there will have to be a subsequent vote at a future talent meeting to finance that out of the stabilization fund there because we don't have both motions or both votes in this town meeting so are we committing the town to spend the money and this is a vote to allow the town to borrow the money and spend it on this for this purpose this does not allow us to spend the free cash this does not allow us to spend it on the stabilization fund if the decision is made to do it out of a different mechanism that has to be voted i actually want to do something different in the future there will be a different vote for that so we know what the funding source is in the sense that this is borrowing money that we may choose a different part of a funding source in the future so unless i'm mistaken we know what the funding source is at least at a minimum which is it will be borrowed and so the question is are we comfortable as a town borrowing the money i personally believe the answer is yes so i think i know enough to vote on this and the answer is we should vote yes i think that we're just trying to get more information on how we intend to pay for the debt once we borrow the money we're not trying to you're right i mean it the motion is this was worded very carefully through a lot of discussion to borrow and appropriate there were there was another earlier version is that it's quite we want to make it very clear it's to borrow the money as you say i'm just to just to say what people people have said this is a motion to authorize the spending and and the bar and you know end of the borrowing we know that some work is going to have to be done in this current fiscal year we heard the superintendent say last last week that that that the school committee may and or or maybe even stronger than that fund that from their own funds for this year the treasurer's going to go out and borrow up up up to two point six million or up to two point seven he doesn't have to borrow it all right off right off the bat in the debt service becomes part of the budget and if it's  and if and if it is a ten year borrowing plan then there are going to have to be ten town meetings that are going to have to figure out every year how to fit that three hundred thousand dollars of debt service in in inside that y that use a budget so all of the issue is going to be part of the physical nineteen budget process it is not going to be worked out now other than the fact that any fiscal eighteen dollars spent is going to come it's going to come from the schools and so you know we can move ahead and and i'll join mike mike in supporting it whether it's a two point six or two point seven because the action is going to come in the whole budget process where we look at all this town down budget where we look at all the school budget and frankly we may come back to the school and and and then based on the financial profile there's say you know maybe maybe you can pick up more of this cost within your own your own budget within within within your own funds but that's all for next spring it's not for now but now it's just really to get it going i understand as a purely procedural matter that the money to actually pay for the debt service would not have to be voted in at future date but generally when we're contemplating incurring a material amount of debt there is some discussion at that time of how are we going to pay for this and i think it's reasonable if we pay back that far i mean it but i think with some i could be wrong but i think i think it would be a reasonable question for somebody in town meeting to ask it's a great idea but how are we going to pay for it to wonder to feel to see that three hundred thousand layered in to a five year forecast and also this goes to my question floyd about getting the debt by layer viki's right so you'd want to see how it's layered in both t to that and exclusion vote for this and transfer this debt from inside the budget if you will in essence to outside the budget and having it be covered by a us exclusion that would be part of essence put the debt that exists already on your books against what is going in exclusion so that it is counted outside the budget if you get the chris i don't know the answer to that but i i six i don't know that we're going to another day so right the question here is there is a sion up to the amount the two point six or the two point seven and the funding just as you said and how it's allocated even if you recall the reason we're having this meeting in the fall for the special we did talk about at the end all this that whole discussion about free cash and stabilization fund and so at that time the thought was that this project wouldn't be them out that where that we have before us we thought it might be less so the reason before had been let's use free cash because davy borrowing it isn't the most cost effective way to go and as decided by town meeting last year the free cash africa was meant to extend this override question and to try and maintain that stabilization fund for operating and so the reason that we had talked about the funding mechanism for the debt service we tried to give consideration to that would be the stabilization fund or free cash when we develop the budget for fiscal year nineteen because we would have more information and it is and i think that floyd spoke to this at the annual town meeting saying he had he wasn't sure about the cost effectiveness of issuing debt for a project that was only one point five million but we would know that our number in the fall so we have a better number in the fall more accurate number in the fall and so then the that thought was think i think it would be more appropriate to have a funding plan presented at the same time that the request for the record because if if the if the intent is  to draw down the stabilization fund at least in the first year and maybe a second year i don't know that is that is something where i think the needs to be prepared to comment on it i think it may well be that a majority of this group would recommend that course although i don't think we had a  the spring about funding about whether to put money in the stabilization fund in the way that bob simon had requested so i just to me procedurally it makes more sense for the  meeting should authorize this bar we're not going to be doing the twenty one thousand budget we could give you that i'm we're trying to tell you what we believe at this time the funding plan is likely to be because you're asking but the funding plane could change or a town meeting could reject the use of the money from the know i think well first of all i think we should vote tonight to prove article three i think number one this is not you know we're not trying to make policy on the warrant committee i think we do we're really stray far off the mark secondly i would say that when just for a town meeting last year on several occasions i think there was a lot of confusion fusion for town meeting and i don't think it was helpful for the our committee to be frankly shown in that confusing like as we're supposed to be you know frankly providing advice for a town meeting to make informed decisions and there are i don't want to get into the worthiness of the project but i think we all think the project is a worthwhile project so i would strongly say that we need to night to vote on article three budget just just so everybody is clear since there's also talk of having a multi year view of things the modulators i think we all agree this is an important project but at least from my point of view the d backus i think it makes sense to move on this tonight but to assume that the question may be asked her we're going to pay for it and i think the selectmen would be able to make some statement about potential plans for sources of funding for this because there may be choices to be made particularly because we do hope that we will be bringing two more projects to be funded by the annual town meeting and it would be a lot of discussion about how to fund all things and we have some cash in hand from sale of property and we have some stabilization fund we have the potential for you know doing some sort of debt exclusion if we wanted to or you know there are a whole lot of different options that might come to pass so we won't know which of those is right until those balancing questions have been put to everybody and we think about the budget and how it looks and i don't think we're going to know that by the thirteenth of november i mean we are still learning why we completed what you said but i would urge us to talk about the forecasts and sort of cycling back to chris's multi year plan i think is going to be very important when we need to have a much better sense of how this all plays out over the next several years and i think that's why takes time to develop so i'm afraid that may is a i mean to go back and take a look at it for your look in especially focusing on the school sixteen and seventeen and to see how the school has been in the school district has been able to build up build up build up  build up on reserves on several several fronts and i just sort of ask the school committee and all of us when we look at this not to forget the three other three or four other other projects there and that facility in terms of schematic design was to because we need time to get better numbers for that and have that discussion in the fiscal one thousand budget  development because all of those things that have been talked about around the table are part of the process we haven't you know the budget process for fiscal nineteen is just kicking off and it starts with generating  getting numbers from the departments and we start working on those while working on them submitting their work the forecast is generated we look at that and start building out what the needs are going to be for nineteen and what their the revenues are projected to be as you know so the five year forecast is what we work on to while the other work is being generated in the departments and those conversations need to include what will happen with the report back to the end to the end of town meeting about what the options are for those of immediate short term solutions how we can build those into the budget or look at other options for funding it outside the general fund for making sure that we have enough money for operating and at least in one thousand and and we're trying to maximize that up to twenty and all of those issues way i characterize it is it sounds like we have this if we approve this and if we borrow the worst case scenario is we borrow the full amount and there's a three hundred twenty whatever thousand dollar increase on our hundred million dollar budget that's three tenths of a percent now i think you appropriately say well but you also have potentially the police department and a public works and that number could be called triple that so it could be a percent one percent of our budget so i think in deciding people have to say are they prepared to live with the the requirement to find three tenths of a percent in our budget next year and if they feel like they can't decide in this project in unison without the out there the alternative is potentially more overcrowded classrooms so you have to decide whether or not you feel strongly enough about the value of the public works and the police that you're willing to incur larger classrooms if you think we can't afford to be per larger classrooms then we're saying by approving this we'll find a way either through the stabilization fund or free cash or whatever to find a three tenths of a percent increase in our budget next year and i think that's what it comes down to right i mean this is these are certainly trade offs that are real tradeoffs because you know if you trade if you draw down stabilization fund there's not much less to cover a budget deficit in half or twenty and that's that's  really what it comes down to and i think that people have said that these discussions really won't it won't require a vote by town meeting for probably six months but i'd say it's been on my mind because from so but having said all that and unless you have something to say i think i would just request that sooner than later then we get a death schedule as that's been asked for that we also have an understanding of what other source of funds are because i'm not clear about what's available from the parking lot we should have a free cash number that would allow us to look at that and i a big number because we don't really have a lot of flexibility in the budget and as this race to the trails it needs an override sooner rather than later in terms of when we're trying to do so i would like to really have a foxhole discussion with all the information in front of us having looked at the sixteen and seventeen budget the seven where it was i mean seventeen actual relative to budget looking at the debt schedule and looking at the cash in other sources because we have some other funds that might be available to put i think three in the analysis and discussion of these topics is a little jammed up just by the fact that the town meeting this company so early in the year i sort of this whole year we just haven't been fill those slots on nov thirteenth before town meeting so if you know people there is an online community committee volunteer form and you submit that online with the resumes very simple it is really just plain bored and we would take that up and we will be filling these expeditiously so that this backlog can get moving the reason why we feel that the slot that we did on monday night was because without four people the planning board cannot approve special permits so we wanted to least get them up and running with one person which was sanderson who had been under consideration before so he had been properly vetted it was an easy appointment and now this is going to be two new people i should also know that these since these are filling the terms of people to resign one slot is for three years and one slot is for one year because one of the people had just been reappointed the other person was up next year so if someone wanted to dig in and be there for a while you could go for a three year term and tell us that if you wanted to sort it depends if you liked it for a year you could do that  too if you have no preference i would submit that as well the belmont high school building committee which i am on his having a joint meetings with the board of selectmen and i believe the school committee as well november second of ember sixteenth and nov thirtieth so starting tomorrow night the community x community meeting will be december twelfth we had one this past saturday were very in the days that week and times of the days that people can come and give their input on the new high school building project the c p c the community preservation committee the public presentations are going to be coming in of ember eight that because those those will all be coming to you eventually for recommendations on the community preservation projects if you want to get a sneak peek november eighth is going to be the meeting on that to try to get them to shoo if i'm to go away into the traps not into yours into the traps and if that does not work then we'll have to talk about something more expensive but at the moment they're there doing that and they're also investigating the other that i find it a privilege to be here with you with the tortoise like moon and i do miss it at some level and i would ask you not to take the absence of the board of selectmen here as a sign of disrespect for the work you do because clearly i know having done it for eight or nine years it is tremendously difficult work that no one really understands fully and really appreciates once you've done it but i do get that and i would say i would urge you just to keep doing what you're doing and do it well as you have this could be a one time engage with me here going on that you have the better health that is the board of health reported to us and we had a discussion on monday night it was decided that we were not going to add that to town meeting as it was already relatively full you will be getting a fairly decent discussion presentation about the status of the  them in but it's i taught it it's pretty bad conditions and there's a high need i was shocked to help many people in our community and utilize the food pantry out of economic need so i think they want to explain that and