three to number six yes so it's just worded kind of funny i probably would have sa happy with the proposal at all she was actually against speed humps you're right that was the letter right yes the e mail at least at once that last sentence them i think that would be more sense to delete that you know some page to page three companies looking to relocate to this location and there's not enough on say parking hurricane lane i have a handout i'd like to share with you is a poor town owned dead end road th speed limit is twenty five miles an hour there with of the road is thirty feet and on street parking is permitted per the town's parking byelaws and i asked the town manager to reconfirm is one of the few manufacturing companies left from i think but they like to look into this building is a huge investment a huge commitment and they don't want to move here if they're not going to be able to park some of their employees on site so i'm looking for some guidance if there's not you know really strong support to continue on say parking on hurricane lane i suspect that this company will decide to go elsewhere so the first page shit i showed the entire length of hurricane lane again which is a dead end building our dead end street the building that the business would located has to ninety one hurricane lane is circled an orange there the second second picture is of the building in the existing parking we do have some permits to expand parking beyond this which will not but even after we expand that parking we still don't have enough parking onsite for this company so it's most likely we would park some cars on the street pretty much the length of the property owned by two ninety one hurricane lane right on the side here and the third and fourth tours are showing a car parked in front of this building at two ninety one hundred airplanes shows you that shows you there with of the two ninety one hurricane lane and kind of supports why the staff thinks it's a safe  two ninety one hurricane main property is perking lien no public road so what happens when you have to split snow during the day he it's tough but ok we think probably around twenty to twenty five cars that's kind of the shortage of parking we have the the issue is that it's a town road and right now parking is allowed it is allowed  concerned that someone's going to try to change this status that's correct if someone came to this like word and said you know i don't like cars parking on this road i'm going to ask you folks to change this  parking ordinance i'm interested in the owner of this building is looking to move his company here is very interesting whether he's going to have parking for his employees heard about that issue yet rick the requests for no parking or to no i have not received just a lot of parking currently nobody parks on hurricane lane so we would be even though it's allowed  we would this company would be the first our process would be that if somebody can pull were to request that we would send it off to both the public works department in the planning department to give us a recommendation as to whether or not they would recommend to the board and the board in her old what was the you could make a decision yes or no when but i don't think i will any of us can tell you what i'm sorry or so the process would be if this like board does not support changing the ordinance keep the status quo if you will then it just dies it's like board supports the idea of stopping her stopping allowing parking on hurricane lane they would have to go to the ordinance amended process ok thank you i would but you know i'm i was hoping for a little bit more guidance than just kicking this can down the road and go ahead what do you have to understand is the first time we've been i know what it is so i can certainly appreciate the detail of it you're trying to cou feeling whether you would support the staff or you would support someone who ever  you could be a for static reasons right and i was hoping to get some feedback like saying of some type because this this company is going looking to make a decision and he can make a decision to move here if there's no sense of whether this kearns like ward would even support the stuff recommendations or not and maybe so that's not really east af asia he said i mean it's not like they studied it and came back to us with an official recommendation i see what you're saying and i would say that you know i i i don't think legally we're allowed to say hey if somebody went through the entire process we've already prejudged it and they would lose we wouldn't allow them to we wouldn't change the ordinance i don't know that i'm comfortable saying that i would have to listen to everything but one of the things i would give massive amounts of there for a massive amount of weight too is that there is a manufacturing company that has employees now in this building and you know all of the anomic impact that would have on the town and you know that that would weigh quite heavily over anything like a statics if there's a safety issue that might change things but i don't know what that would be i mean that's helpful but just having out of and you know valuing jobs and williston is helpful louden both sides of the street it's basically allowed in general so i think ted's absolutely right and particularly a piece about safety that's probably one of the key things i'd also look at i know is this a type i mean this is going to get slightly off subject is the reason why there aren't parking spots striped on the road painted went in that it did ok but that could be butterfield to come up to the table and we do have your application form but if you would briefly give us an idea of your background regarding the request to be on the holbrook church board and just a brief background and why you'd like to be on ok my name is john butterfield and my life i live at seven twenty one the road we've lived there for the past thirty three years i'm an engineer by training and i've worked for the last thirty one years for how m i c s which is a consulting firm it's really the chairman of the board and vice president and shareholder et i'm also a involved in a real estate partnership in a commercial building in south burlington and my interest in the old bird church is you know it i have been arrested in the in the history of the church church and now that i hate and sort of backing off from my full time job i've i have a lot more flexibility than i did and i'm trying i'm looking for opportunities to be able to participate in the town activities and this would just look like an interesting position i talk to jack price who is my former dentist and peterson who was my orthodontist and but jack got kind of fill me in and it's something that i'd like to express an board i guess to have one john for some reason this tends to fall on my shoulders to ask it's a conflict of interest question i don't know how they're necessarily could be a conflict of interest here but if there were how would you reckon  know how would you recognize and what would you do about it if there were conflict of interest i would notify the trustees or trustees that yes i saw  would like to learn more about i know about the wonder concert series in that you know private activities but i would like to learn more about what what are all the activities that are held there rick shoots me down every time on this but they have those two great old wood stoves in the pack would love to see those hooked back up and use but i don't think it's going to happen google energy service thank you i look forward to it the next we have we are scheduled we're scheduled to have four people here who are interested in the planning commission he miller has submitted a letter saying that  is withdrawing his name from from being in contention and because he's been that appointed to the energy plan task force and feels that that will take up more of his time than he can devote to this so we're down to three candidates pardon me is unable to be here this evening just because we conflict that suddenly developed we do have a copy of her v that we got tonight and but she will not be here for the interview tonight so we do have i believe two people to interview tonight and then we can go from there and see whether we wish to i outside of austin texas four years ago and moved to vermont and after living in vermont for four years we decided to downsize move to willis then we moved summer and then i work several years in adult in juvenile probation basically evil i ran the regional juvenile jail detention facility and went from there and taught state university university have an undergrad a degree in law enforcement administration and a masters degree from the university of texas at austin in vocational rehabilitation and drained my career i have done training staff development the edger steen is all along one of the treatment programs is to teach offenders how to play and where they're at and you start on the story who are you is this expect failures he always come back to ok let's revisit the plan walking after a while in probation i acquired computer skills and eventually migrated to the computer industry environmental protection we called it train wreck is what it is it was the texas rio and natural resources commission controlling air and water in the state of texas so i have a lot of experience and just want to jump in here as a new resident and offer any assistance i can get to to to you  something quite a few years since two thousand and one i have two kids that are getting older i used to volunteer a lot in the schools but now i'm not doing that so much because they're high school  permit ing for that home to be built and all that kind of stuff we did that for seven eight years and after that i moved from fairs for area here to this area so burlington i was in real estate for five years but i also managed forty plus homes single families condominiums apartments for that company as well and did all the management and renting and everything involved with that for them reliant and needed some help so i stepped in and helped her and became a supervisor with her with a landscaping and design company i had experience with and i have a master gardener certification with that as well i've taken classes and know all of the code of ethics for real estate property management and all of that come stuff around and now the last eight years i've my own company  helping elderly people do their outside work that they can't do themselves in their own home so i kind of like doing that help them to kind of added that on to the next and i have two large estates that i can take care of all of their reconfiguration school system that when they really did all of that in school and i found that with the kids being older that that kind of thing is you know i'm not in the school anymore so i've kind of thought i would like to do something in to contribute to the community in a different way and of course planning this kind of up my alley and i'm also interested in recreation too as far as getting it to so figured i would say i was interested in love and little more interest in planning part but like i said i'd like to help contribute to th but i had to play into the planning commission road if you're thinking about it just doing a business or moving to the community what really attracted the baby was the dance residential area that's been put in a live in the tack order area and have a son who's in amsterdam getting the degree it's real defense they're interested in seeing will last and develop high density populations that is attractive to homeowners and attracts families to come into the community and how do we do that and control traffic dogs and have plenty of green spaces and to me it's just every place has issues and i think i can get real critical but i think it takes all of us working together and sitting in a room looking at the situation of how we're having that issue and by  dog droppings in the in the neighborhood and how do you get compliance out of a population as diverse as we have that really nice thing about about where i would have here in the very diverse population i have four asian families that have to walk area and we have walks hispanic folks in the neighborhood a nice mix of older people like myself some snowbirds who live in the neighborhood in the nice thing is that the bus stop in the morning picks up some real cute little kids and there are all different colors of this car that puts a future events i didn't to be honest have time to read through the whole thing but i have friends through and picked certain areas that i thought were you know kind of what i went to see as i and will stand for a long time and how it's progressing again i do like how it's trying to stay densely populated in the areas instead of creating more sprawl i really like to see  the farmland not be built on you know i encourage building for sure but you know i think i think wilson has done a good job of being and recognizing that part so overall a lot of what this gentleman said but on and camp definitely i'm in favor of keeping the working out plan is currently going spiders keeping the population  issue problem whatever it may be due to a conflict of interest of course when to return to the be  make a decision and planning commission and recreation committee at that time so thanks very much for your time since the last discussion we had so this or is the current as it reflects what the board is the terms of process like a second touch on that a little bit later discussion a is a change in the town development by law right now keeping of livestock is not allowed on law on residential lots less than one acre in size so if the bylaws also amended to go with this it would allow for keeping chickens on lots under one acre smaller lots ordnances not overwrite any regulations or laid the chickens established by a private homeowners association a maximum of six female chickens hens to be kept on a property there being any will permit requirement and fees each year and created on those types of things  their bylaws do not allow for that less and less than a maker we want to see the chickens on less than an acre right and so when the board started thinking about changing the by laws they also said well if we're going to change by laws maybe to have some regulation talking about keeping animals in much smaller lots where neighbors are much closer would not be an additional fee you only feel that we're talking about at this point as the initial one in the renewable renewal fee in other towns we are told that the their number of  applications are not great and they do have the same type of a system that we're proposing this point  there is an order or regulation in town that says you can't have chickens him you know on a property listed an acre so that was the question was brought before us when numerous people and in order to make any kind of sense of we thought any way to make any kind of sense of this this with a proposal that we were bringing forward to a public hearing and see what kind of results we get from the public hearing it's we had quite a number of quite a lot of testimony on that subject actually in the last couple of videos we've had so any further comments regarding the proposed ord  or anyone else who wishes to speak only to by law in then you need to decide how much can you really regulator we're going to convince is married to a foot and in there and the other thing i think that i heard was the cost and i guess it comes down to what people would have six chickens what rate is it because it is a hobby or is it a you know a food need or want him to you know grow there and create their own food and  is that a big inhibitor because it costs you have to buy feed and house all the things that go with that and then put fifty dollars on top of that the rate for the structure is what did we find out from the other towns do we know do we what was the fee for self burlington i recall i believe it was in that era the forty dollars range maybe twenty five i have the numbers on here at my desk so i just watch burn we put on and turn in the home we're going to check the relations and i mean we also heard about in foresman in another town i guess i don't understand that but did we put the right checks and balances and that we were talking about that making sure that folks that want to do this are seriously invested not i've always had a public health concern with this whole thing and that we wanted to make sure that it wasn't passing school project that somebody just got into  it didn't take care of it that was so is this return fee not a deterrent it was a concern of making sure that this was something sure they wanted to get into that a big investment like you said that the coop and everything else was just making it that was the discussion i chicken speed the same fears domestic animals like like dogs and what i remember is the slug board and overall the consensus was this we had concerns about the health issues with chickens and that that would be the justification for a higher fee for chickens than let's say domestic an illusion because there are additional or different maybe as a way to put it safety concerns w and you want to handle them and you're really sure is that ok that's the other question i guess i might as well ask and if you if you remember i kind of have a little bit of a conceptual issue with the female chickens only and i guess i was corrected to say for a couple reasons one it seems kind of unnatural to me on the other it is natural and natural in this that that's you know who would want to be  chickens and you order six female chickens you might not get all six that's just the nature of the business and i just have a hard time with that concept of what is the person who thought i was ordering six chickens got six female chickens got five females and one not a female i don't know i just i guess have a little conceptual difficulty with  thoughts i'm actually for the i'm for the ordinance i'm thinking maybe it's a little over the top but it just comes down to are we going to enforce things like looking at how deep fences very great practical we should probably be practical if anything right and so now like the things we talked about as well and making sure people are going who are going to undertake this have some level of education right we talked about some kind of a pamphlet or something to be created to make sure  gh it's not a slight undertaking i'm still up in the air on the organ and on the feet of because i don't know how the fifty dollars weighs against the cost of the coop and the chickens and the feed in the composting and all the other things i'm kind of but it seems like a deterrent fee more than  t the reason is i'm just looking at the you know if if you know the nature of willesden has changed considerably we've got a lot of properties that have considerably less of an acre now and you know if if we have you know just doing simple math and you can play with the numbers any way you want i suppose in both directions but if you have you know three half acre parcels in each of them have six chickens and that's eight hundred chickens and one of the half acres and that would be a lot  and that would be legal if we changed the ordinance the other thing i'm worried about is that you know i i the the difficulty is that the people who are in favor of the ordinance are all responsible good people who  not laws designed to do you know i mean there wouldn't have to be laws against drunk driving if they're very responsible they don't need a sick of people to not be responsible to throw the whole thing out of whack i mean that's what law is is to make sure there's an unfortunate mechanism that's been my concern right along as being in the public health professional for thirty eight years that i would not agree to the ordinance or the amendment to the pilot was he there so it would appear that we have so let's go on then to the update from the police department and she fully who is here  months since i was sworn in here but actually my my time beginning here was thought of in august of wash it when i was offered the position to be chief and then a lot of issues dealing with the certification recertification and to get my certification back in so it's taken taken a long time on the day i was fired back on the sixteenth of october i inherited three vacancies within the department at that time and within two hours of swearing in i carried my fourth vacancy then two weeks after that i had my fifth vacancy and vacancies were two patrol positions actually three patrol fi dispatch of the state police within a little over a month she was high shortly there after we made a conditional offer to a female they had been working with the woodside juvenile facility to be ou first officer to fill one of the patrol vehicles her name was sarah belle she is currently in the one hundred sixth academy this going on it's not on the thirtieth of july  we had some some issues with the administrative assistant we have she had going through close to two hundred resumes and applications three interviews made three job offers the first two one was like  those vacancies week we had a six vacancy where i lost an office to swan p d a full time officer but in the meantime the next door neighbors which were in there were going some transitional with achieve we retire and we picked up a full time officer from richmond p d john hamilton and i thought he might show up tonight to be introduced for those who haven't met him but he was able to just begin very quickly we did a two week f t l program with him he certified he's actually family have relocated here to vermont and the issue with that is you know she's a certified officer in north dakota we're not sure what her sort of occasional be accepted here so she might end up going back to another full time academy so on a patrol side we're making it work my goal to restructure and the patrol slide by will not occur until the summer of twenty nineteen we get everybody out of the cademy so it's a work in progress but everybody  like come in between five thirty and quarter six in the morning i signed on he's a visa groupie already tight but he works over in essex easy he's in is a in the seventies and he listens to the scanner so he got used to on the chief and his his staff would we're doing training the gether we've actually initiated we're responding to the medical calls with them and the thing is i've done that in my whole career i have even though  a police chief i do have an empty background when i was there in windsor ozy m t a part of a fast water my town i lived in but i volunteered for the fire department there to help them all and they continued when i was in douglas that you know i carried the tactical gear medical care mike and was able to assess the patients before the i was gutted it gave them one step up so now we're helping them out and i think it's a good positive for both for the both agencies we're training together we're working on a active shooter drill along with the firefighters the police department we also have the state police involved with us and the schools so it's a work in progress we're not rushing  day and age it's you know it could pop up any place so that's what we're doing we have a good you know i have a i get along good with the chee we have wants to get out when we can fit into why busy schedules but you know i think it's important in a community this size people want to see both all the ages in and even including our public works department you know we were closely with bruce would would speed enforcement targeting neighborhoods we put a lot of speed monitor up the newest one is on a software that was developed by a police chief but what offices that we basically have three type of dispatches for us you know the day shift as i won't dispatch is tonight right now if the seven o'clock the state police dispatcher us  police use my guys love it makes our job a lot user friendly then and it was a big piet and morale builder for the guys that have that so it really is one step we took i listened to the troops i felt there was a need that we go that way again that could all change once so we decide which where we're going to go with the regional dispatch so again you know that we could be in a totally different type of a cad system and the rest you know recommends for a system but right now you know because we dispatch a neighborhood meet and greet oh at the library i brought my offices then we discussed it and because of the sketch we had there we started off the neighborhood watch started off with while follow developments we are now developments part of a program we're going to utilize the constable to work with us on that so give him something to do the help us since counsels law enforcement he gives us that added person that can meet and home depot wal mart last week we had him up on that mud river up off of a pond yeah we had some complaints about pocking up there so we put the bike up there and he ran the trails and be dedicated to it just to officers who are my truck team so the miles will be down but it brings in you know some need some good revenue and he gets the message out that you know truck is into commercial vehicles should pay attention to what the do that and as you well i mentioned richmond com we've been in dialogue with them myself and the tom and joe along with the state police we are currently assisting them on calls at night time it's basically friday two o'clock in the morning when the state police are not on duty so and we only responds to emergencies all domestics motor vehicle accident crime in progress and we're waiting to see because they're in the process of i and you manager see which direction they're going to go in and we've until they get a new manager in place you know what will system and then will price out some discussion on it i just don't have the the bodies to to guarantee full time patrols that this point but w system is as the is possible and  works closely with loss prevention and you know we've got a good dialogue going with wal mart working on trying to get you home depot to be a little more user friendly for us and they called me today they want to do you know media yeah and that's what people do you know if you notice we you know we had the up support of two weeks ago it marshall we stuck out on my facebook page we threw it all to wall and news media we have a good report every new station in you know from the four you know twenty two for three and five day day work well with us and you know i try to do as much p r work with them and get stuff out there through we're you know we we've continued to recognize our offices at offices of the one specialty so everybody feels a doing something good for the palm of the other train you know so we have firearms officers you know the instructor is domestic violence defensive tactics you know commercial vehicle people know if if one of my officers evolve an accident at two o'clock in the morning i want then the be able to take care they believe if they're injured until a fire personnel you know about any type of that we get into a shooting situation as george was shot to fight you know we can we can treat those people quickly you know so that's what we're working on that's of the next big thing tied into the active shooter we're doing yo stop the bleed and have have tactical teams that it's not just police officers go in the building but it's actually we're bringing the fire the paramedics and what us so they understand how we operate we understand how they operate so it's worked out well so it's been it's been a good lover once it's been a good run you know and i've enjoyed it you know and i've enjoyed meeting the people here in the community but you and i tell everybody is that you got to remember october sixteenth forward is pat foye chief ollie's i have no control before that so anything we want to do it's all about us now so we have baseball has a has w p d but it doesn't say will so that's all i want i want them to respect and go from there and i was rehab for sizes that you know how would you like to be treated if you got stopped by a police officer of that so if you apply to him we get back and people like that so we see that in the part time certified in vermont is a levels so he's a level two sort of occasion which is basically he can only do certain things on the road by himself but we don't have a part time staff here so he would be signed for twelve weeks what would a full time person in that twelve weeks prior to him going he can what happens with the way the cabin set up is you have a sixteen week program after sixteen weeks you still have to go back in they call it post graduate training so everything that's not covered in the sixteen weeks postgraduate training all done before he can to me and then want to graduate he's all set with the young lady that we're looking at right now the pet know what not she would commit to us i have to send all her training documents her cademy class because her  over the last few months of all the waiver process within the criminal justice trainee council and the sort of occasion where it really needs to be looked at i think the last time so again it's a it's a work of progress it's changing i think you know we get  really look at working with the legislators maybe vermont leads a city in town to come up with what some sort of guidelines how we best because there's a lot of people coming from outside the state that have been to full time academies and then they've been told they have to go back both you and the town manager is on the constable duties i heard the constable being mentioned as part of the neighborhood watch and we had a discussion here i thought about the constable not being involved in kind of leo want more information erica had long conversations with her with that ok so i just wanted to be he won't yeah he was just looking to help us out because you know he could do things during the daytime logan young works nights that's basically what my memo entails comes down to actually offering three options to deal with the rumble strips and wanted to do nothing neither up the trips as they are constructed to do is leave the rubble strips in place with minor modifications remove table over where they're located through intersections and one driveway this is a suggested practice in more than one document one guy and sacrament or three remove the rumble strips in the vicinity of unity in peterson lane and i give you an idea of what the estimated cost would be to do that again  using a thousand dollars i lean over to be that much but really it's it would be that inexpensive only to do that little section might to remove all of them i'm talking about just unity in the area around the corner worried about giving the space that we've recently seen the legislator asked to be given to cyclists that is three feet or eight we have minimum with roads i think and it seems like the rumble strips their lane and you're right terry that the road only twenty feet wide so it is going away from the minimum guidance document it's not that's not a shower or anything else so that's why we went to the r p c were in the final report to be put on this road just weren't put through the corner of the way they were placed just just and then so there's two out of there one is for rumble strips in general should me placed on roads without the you know the four feet on the edges and then the other one is they should be put in shoulders if they don't have the four feet as well because i'm going out in a drying up instructor should do it in either case right that's what it says at least guidance on ripple strips also that gives you the leeway with the to do it where the rack so almost all of its guidance it's like everything we could look and find information do this don't do that so  it certainly i'm no expert on this be asleep but it just seemed like common sense when we first saw it that created an issue as well as putting the medians and just as a cyclist to you you come up to those medians in the middle of the road and they squeeze the cyclist two thousand two thousand two thousand linear feet two thousand feet well ok now and once again it was in the final document to do most of that is just i continued i'm a little bit farther than they were supposed to go because my own have read this before i probably would have said you know why are we doing that you know that doesn't seem like it makes sense it seems like a safety issue for pedestrians and specially for cyclists and if you've read that j there's your your memo has three possible options residents or one has to do nothing leaving the rumble strips in places constructed the second is leave the rumble strips in place with minor modifications meaning remove or pave over where they are located through intersections and one driveway three removes rumble strips in the vicinity of unity in peterson lane wouldn't the second one include that th one driveway down there that actually it's an engineer that works authority they go right through his driveway that we would we would remove them there he's gone the idea that they're not you're not supposed to have been through intersections and driveways around the corner start down the hill from the original report showed them and then midway down that hill that would meet that noise distance there's a distance associated with noise that you want to try to rumble strips away from residential had when i went out there and told e c i want to put them on the want to store them where they start at any one in the way they are so they could come back out and we would be back to the original recommendations of the report the final report which is the one you couple of draft reports it shows i'm going right through the corners as ok and when we put the map together the plan together on where things were going i took the middle eight a half by eleven sheet of paper out there with me and it looked to me like we had been through the corner there they should be installed in a row that wide because it's a safety concern for cyclists once again you all did take a final report which did show them on that road it give us this information though i mean you told us that we gave you the information at professional engineers in our consultants and we hired gave us to give you no i'm not for being you i'm not i'm just saying that you here you said you didn't give me this information i don't take all the information i get from every engineer and go second guess them to see if there's something else leave behind that that may or may not support their conclusions that's why their piece but i think if you if we find so after the fact we found information that suggests it's a bad practice for safety reasons it's clearly a bad practice for sleep reasons in a certain vicinity of houses and it sounds like it's a negative for emergency services it's unclear with the benefits are based on all the research mr fennis rocket so i'm just thinking did did we just make a mistake here you know in the general sense if we if we don't really have any had a collision if we don't know the benefits my feeling is is that i'm in favor of option for three and i'm not in favor yet of eliminating all the rumble strips it's we could push it down the road if you know something starts to become apparent right now option three seems to from lack of better words take care of what i think is the most compelling problem which is a a resident or residences are having a real issue with noise quality of life is decreased maybe significantly that took a while for that even happened to get the signing to get the ordinance passed and all that so then with them we are starting to move into phase two things that are just you know we can roll trips or something that we were able to get terms sign and at the top that's getting ready to be installed all in place  mr chair moved through that the town removed the rumble strips in the vicinity of unity in peterson lane and for that matter i would also add that the town should remove the rumble strips motion i'll say i'll support this because i want to see us remove rumble strips and i want to make sure mr friend of rockets you know some sleep here but i think in general we shouldn't we should to put them there in the first place it seems like there is guidance federal government that says no it's the safety of cyclists so i think i'm hoping eventually we'll get to the point of removing them all and maybe at some point if we widen the road for it to be safer than maybe it makes sense to put them in certain places as long as they're far enough from houses and presidents or sections but  in at this point or i guess my question would be would it be better to put in the removable plate or speed homestead or what have you over something like that for periods of time during the course of the fall for in the summer we can we can certainly do that i mean we can buy we can buy the part of rebel ones that can be put in an attempt want to temporary basis and take it out certainly they're not going to be there for plowing with those kind and that's what you'd like to do we can certainly do that with plants but they come out and there's well i'd probably take them out  go out take them out down much sooner but you know if i had to pick dates it would be the end of october till the end of march there are any cost estimate for the purchase of these things i haven't looked at buying those kind i taught to read about looking into that to see about getting something for for other locations where people may want these kind of things to happen i have not looked at that was fit with my ex and i never quite honestly terry intended to buy six of them  and actually even an issue report the two that are down by the park by brown once park the report says that we should put the other four and in and make it a little bit more data for down in that area but the park area but doing the other two old patients at that they were at least that's who are who are talking about i think at that time quite honestly at this point could you can you you know decided to have them put in there probably are going to put him before only question about the temporary versus the permanent is are they somewhat similar in terms of you know all hate in going to be the exact size you can get sure they do that they'd be you'd have to miami you have to buy in for the speed  they'd be the same as if you're putting in ok so these were not be the temporary ones they could installed in parking lots and you got to drive like five miles an hour rule bump ones yeah we won't put ok i will put bumps in if you tell me to  not something we should be doing it see how this is going to work  in the south bronx and always building a proud tradition haven't gotten there yet we have a new draft dip so orders a new draft with the agenda tonight to comments or write our last discuss you'll see there some red line changes in the draft  all the wording was was good the only thing i'd ask is that you know we talk about the any new t c t in here that we what else would we do it because we implemented some changes here as a result of the recommendations of the p e s would we really contractor i'm now so w i don't know what you do rich or agreements with these groups when you hire them that that indicate that they have to bring up any potential issues you know or conflicts with the wording or safety issues or concerns where you said they recommended it we accepted it just out of not understanding what we should have so is there anything in here that closes that loophole if  question because we've always talked about the immunity c even before we've had this policy in place so if someone needs or p e s didn't follow that or bring up the concern to the question is how do we make sure the quick i guess the question is how do we make sure that the recommendations that are put in front of us they just we can ask the question or look at the policies ourselves of a select board members that what i did when i before this meeting actually looked it up myself don't i'm asking or what would be a recommendation here for muslims in a rueful something if it goes to that level three with a traffic calming study kind of a which is what he said in section six that says that they need four feet on the edge of the road side the drive lane for both rumble strips at the edge of the road or rumble strips in the center of the road there are two different line items so in section six which section three refers to is not that's that's the only thing i was saying is that they should have told us this rate we paid them some amount of money to do this work it seems like i devices and the charm and kind of lay out what those look like and pieces there but i guess everyone just had to hear every treatment is different for each project as well so yes we can go back and look the rules and guidelines so why would they recommend them then when they're not recommended well i'm not quite sure it's black and white by the whole situation which well no not at all i'm just the specific one so that's my only question i thought the rest of it was worded pretty well under three to eric this is just a suggestion and maybe it won't work and one of the last sentence should read along the lines of with no exception all traffic calming measures must be identified in the as a traffic calming measure and that gets away from the question of it's in the m u t c d because it's a safety measure but not a traffic calming measure it would do if i mean when you also want to make sure you only implementable where they make sense and don't create other safety problems but i think i guess that's i mean calming just just overall in general and i want to say i want to do it because i want to see all the be eyes wide open about the other side of traffic calming it does slow cars down it does keep the people give the people the feeling of having cars not racing through the neighborhoods and so forth but there are some collateral effects that occur that we want to talk about for a minute and most importantly was let's not forget the fact that a speed hump bomp table makes for a little noise he drives a car or truck passes over particularly a truck a truck has a low in the back utility truck that has a lot of the put in to the back so that's the factor i think that like the gentleman behind me has experienced or negatives to having traffic calming or traffic control measures for us in the fire which is a tables and that's lowe's down the tables hundred times a year because the time lost it all so much for years of patient treatment i spoke to earlier trying to initiate patient care and it makes for a tougher ride for patient a back nameless which in itself is not a pleasant experience but you go over humps bumps and tables and makes it worse and thirdly it increases vehicle made its costs we in the last year or two years for the tables and bumps reheard blair which includes ego and falcon with by the way another new facility coming online shortly as well as north wills to road with the water was development weird somewhere around seven hundred in ten trips cost and we try to break it down to what could be related to chassis you know frame springs in tires in and motor mounts and things like that f y sixteen with twenty thousand plus f y seventeen to twenty four thousand plus and wait it was twenty thousand plus and year to date two months in is over one thousand dollars so it's expensive to maintain these trucks potholes are bad enough and now we're dealing with the brine issue but  mean that the ones on the state roads and there's a risk of of the cost all right so every community experience is reached out to a couple neighboring communities acceleration deceleration put strain on the motors the trucks right with the ambulances is harder on i'm hopeful that we always do traffic studies and cost analysis and impact studies but but let's look at doing signage edge cation campaigns portable radar trailers permanent radar signs a police presence and enforcement and maybe do those mid block as they call them medians which are like little squeeze lanes without having to go over bumps we can now have to go through little squeeze play in the roadway person experience we left late to go to work camp last friday night i was still doing some works as texting and in two emails my wife drove and we took scholar road and i very i distinctly remember going over three bumps as the car went over the three bumps and scholar road i don't remember any one of the to squeeze place so please consider that as you move forward in summary you know i'm empathetic and concerned of the concerns of the residents who live in these areas there's always a danger sign be hit by a car but consider all those factors when you make your decisions flashing light or something a roadway which in winter time you may not see know we do need to consider other requests in there which is what we were trying to do with the common policy is to get some kind of consistent  recognition to the people who request these guys things now maybe there is no good solution to it but that's where we're trying to head of this  e i considered what the chief said when i made the resolution twenty minutes ago and i have as it really changed my mind at this  would be pushed forward as well so the whole reason for doing the town charter and pushing this is the so that we can you can appoint a treasure instead of voting on one of the issues and i went through the whole thing again today and that's constable we're going to continue appointing eliminated as the required position but no reason but we couldn't conceive of me even though it's not in the charter right and the people that tell me didn't vote as to what when it will be the next year in the time of it so that they can at a town meeting making the decision they wish to and what time  because we wouldn't want to be mean we wouldn't want to end up with a town meeting time that a lot of people couldn't attend but i guess if it's determined that the meeting because they don't remember that i was there but i don't recall this is the only got twenty people t but twenty years ago they had the what was considered to be the worst abuse problem in europe and now they have the best and so during that twenty year period they did a bunch of things  in as far as a prevention program to change the whole situation around i'm not suggesting that that's what we necessary should be doing but i think it's it would be important to have a community conversation about the issue and what might be some things that we can do as a community that might work towards preventing this from becoming or continuing as a problem and then when i say a problem  to put the scatter i've had conversations already with school officials and they're interested in it as well so i just want to kind of alert you this is something going to be working on in the coming months landowners to go through a draft agreement had a good dialogue both attorneys are looking at it and they don't really foresee a lot of issues with that so we should have that brought back to the board here in the coming weeks some point we do in and november first meeting in november is november sixth which is election day and the request has been made by one board member in the way that we might want to consider rescheduling the meeting that night  years request to be honest ok so the monday night seems that's what you go with them and then the board retreat is another topic and i was looking at the month of because i was thinking the board might like to get this done before we get heavy into the budget process so i given that to press five tuesdays i figured maybe we'd meet three of the series of the five tuesdays so we have a meeting or whatever is october second or whatever the date is and it's the sixteenth of december twenty third will be the tuesday after that and what we envision is a meeting starting a little bit earlier than our regular meeting and ending around nine o'clock i think and i would bring in a facilitator probably to help  schedule wise we're going to change the schedule a little bit we're going to do is on the first meeting in december we're going to give a brief budget overview which is what we normally do and you'll get the budget books that night  departments done early rather than coming back and then january and if another meeting like that makes and a meeting in early january that that would do the same thing so that will basically finish the board to review process much earlier in january to give the board time to make changes and contemplate they want things to look the end of january still the deadline for making final decisions but this just kind of front loads the review process a little bit earlier we're also separate from that we're looking at various mechanisms to increase public interest increase public participation we have a bunch of ideas whether we can do them all the first year or remains to be seen probably not but we can do some of them and  media specialist to work on that s