after that is public to be heard and i'm wondering if if if i could just take a quick poll how many folks in the audience are here to talk about have something to say about the senior center discussion and i see a show of hands ok so why don't i why don't i say i will make a when we get to the senior center item on the agenda i'll ask everybody to who's who wants to say something about it at that point to speak up at that time ok and so anyone else who has something to talk about that's not on the agenda tonight that now is the time to ask a question or if you have a comment about something you're welcome to make your comment or say something right now ok thank you so i think we're going to make a decision momentarily and so you're welcome to stick around  it i did i'm not i'm not questioning your judgment i'm just saying what makes it so costly i think that if you're going to do a complete job there's things that a good firm would do and that is to really sit down and be go through think some of the parameters of ethics a lot of time and it takes a lot of effort to dig that out so that when you come back you have a reasonable plan if i were doing consulting work on the other side i'd want to come back with a reasonable plan that was accurate that wasn't vegetation one on one time and that's one of them to add to that then you throw in thirty years into the future i think you view it as somebody five years ago what the town space was going to look like at eighty one main i'm not sure anybody would have been right as to how many people would have been there where they would have parked etc etc so when you ask somebody to look that far out they're going to ask a lot of questions and and presume a lot of things on it what will the town and those look like thirty years in terms of roads we have to go right or sidewalks we have to build what if five more miles of road or paved up  already you know in our class force or we now are plowing every sidewalk his the town department would look vastly different if we had to do more  was that i would like to make the recommendation that when they're looking at village facilities that they don't just talk to the architects and staff that they want to come by us in the manager because we might just give a little bit different perspective i don't know if i know us insisting that they do that but i'm recommending that they do that because we might have a different understanding your take on it and be able to provide some insight background that  they're going to do a study today and then ten or fifteen years we will get certain things done it's going to be that we can apply the information that we obtained from study back in twenty eight or twenty three in the project we're doing in twenty twenty today rather than twenty years if you postpone it long enough you're absolutely right study becomes less worth its merit but i but if you don't have those in the discussion of consolidation if you don't have those answers early building itself in the function of the bed stages of the point where you get the bright mind in the community to take a look and say if we needed eight years for a cycle that does these kind of things where can you find  to say you know and at that point it's also of discussion and that's kind of us whole second stage of study i think the first piece needs to be how big how much is it cost what makes sense to setbacks zones it would be able to take these facilities so there's a little bit of that is into it but i think you go too far into that you're kind of jumping to implementation stage that you haven't got to the point of discussing whether it's a good thing to do or not  want to know is will the financial considerations of build a new verses taking care to for me and restoring what exist because there may be some areas that are right sized and he may not need to do things here's your minimum investment to achieve here goal here is like the sky's because i don't think the public when we go to them and say you know we need to bond for three new buildings and here's why i know department especially as we're looking for consolidation and rethinking about thirty years into the future and see if without that then the only other thing is i don't see a couple of times there were mentions of this more semitic again  as somebody that doesn't have that connection to the community they can see it without you know it with with clear eyes and not let their emotions or you know it store all presidents evaluate that process come back and obviously the firms are companies that done similar studies on these lines probably have a higher foot in the door if you will the company that  has been with us oh i think since he was sixteen somewhere in there he was working summers think you started your eat seventeen eighteen he started doing biking bike officer and stuff as you see and hear exemplary officer he awards he was the rad instructor police medical officer town exposure control officer amongst other duties he also earned a matter of valure from the departments it is the department's high's honor for risking his life to pull the citizen from the burning building he did conclusion careering nine years only because he had to move to another state for i you spell oh ok you d r l d my wife and i we've lived here for eleven years now actually just eleven years and we've seen the village i mean obviously change and cosmetically for the better  cosmetic fix on the issues that were going on back there you know now call the police countless accounts probably about five or six times for folks drinking back their people playing on the retaining wall which is located directly behind where my house is found probably about four or five needles over the past two years back there and the same issues are continuing and i mean i god bless the police they do i hate having to call them out for these little things that i think if the village and kind of more people start working together to be fixed it's it was sad when i had one of the police officers out there and i was talking about a gentleman that i could step on watch to get drinks on everything anymore and he said oh that someone so good today he just likes to drink he's home and i understand it's a small town people grew up together but it's kind of i'm a very kind of feel to it and i think that just really kind of sends a bad message to the kids that are back there and everything that's going on forbid somebody falls off that perhaps their head up in the village is going to have a lawsuit and you know as i said maybe some signs back there from the loitering and i know there's discussion of maybe putting some sort of cameras back there although i've now read that there's for the people to congregate and just hang out instead of being back in the woods like they used to be more leave my property now they're right up against my property and we're getting trashed in our backyard cigarette box we've got our fence  know that being the new gun in the village through grant we spent a lot of money making that situation prettier but there are still some one no one can see anything unless you are right on the path and i know what people are doing with their so i will say it is a safety issue there are three lights out ready to fret right at the retaining rock wall  wall because you don't see people hanging anywhere else so i throw people ideas absolutely no idea if they're able to do but one would be simply you know take take the fencing we already have there and put it do some type of plan teens or mines or something that basically you're never going to be able to get on and i mean again i don't know and i think there was one other threw out there so i just think we've talked about this now for a couple years i think it is better for  communicating that we have the past and i think it's cut down on some of what was going on there but it's still going to go there and now it truly is a safety hazard because we're saying to people please walk in our path but you i think it's time but i don't know that that's necessarily going to fix everything in terms of the physical physically changing it are there other things that we can do but i feel i don't have a good suggestions of the that there are in the way of getting a vehicle on the pad and that is a couple blocks of the penny of where you're putting garbage cans i can tell you that if it's not exactly where somebody want you know the fall and winter we are probably days away from having the students use it much more in the coming weeks so will one have to get or it's around some other or other issues of that nature and we're always been talking about staffing and training in the police department up to the staffing levels we need them so they can get back to instead of going cold call doing patrol and getting to areas that need attention the other thing i'd be concerned with is depending upon who and what changing that area may only serve to move the problem somewhere else and so one of the things we want to talk about is ford center and who's over there is arranging if it's a homeless they even if it's a mental illness thing if it's a drug addiction thing we have the resources at the right place at the right time so you just don't move in the guy if he were moving under a railroad or moving on to somewhere else that then we would just deal with it there or move it t do whatever maybe not just the congregating part and probably not the congregating under your window or why don't we ask right into research that is movable possible onto those tracks right whatever is put there is going to have to be extremely early and up and or build the down so i know that there is other there is not senior center right now and i want to make it clear we're not making any kinds of decisions about doing something with the senior so we would like to later on in september or october have a discussion be as we approach next year's budget writing next year's budget have with among ourselves a discussion about where what we see is the future of growth of the senior center how big do we want to see it get what you know what what kind of membership does it presently have how big do we want to see the membership grow what kind of programs are currently being offered what kinds of programs you know we might want to change we've talked about integrating it with maybe other programs around the village in the town but we want to take a moment when before we have that discussion to identify what kind of data do we want to collect what kinds of things do we want to know before we have that that talk and so that's really what this is about but i think what the what i would like to do maybe it is for us to have a little bit of a discussion center about five years ago and so this is what my husband and i have put together to for you the board of trustees to think about and how it's going to affect what decisions you make about the senior center how it's going to affect the seniors and the as six area yes the center has grown tremendously since  mike and i have joined and we have seen many members leave due to me you know have passed away yes we've seen many  s that need the had struck a deal that they want somebody to talk to they want to be with somebody they don't want to be in their homes by themselves and have to live  and you know going for walls without having any interaction with other seniors so this is why this is a little blurb that my husband and i have put together and i'll read it for you the senior center is  off part of our community for many singers living alone it is a wonderful opportunity to socialize and interact with other seniors by taking part in many various hampshire to see a live performance of a one time broadway show in state trips sponsored by the senior center as a resident of assets we have been  immensely fortunate to have the facilities we have and are extremely grateful to that town and village for the use of these facilities especially to have access to to seeing your fans which transport many seniors on a daily basis through vital doctor appointments shop for groceries and transportation to the senior center for a senior so the they do not have their own car around and able to drive many would be an isolated and their own homes with no interaction with other seniors i honestly don't know what my fellow seniors would do without access to these vans the daily operation of our senior center is made possible by a lot of ho dedicated work by our present activities coordinator and the many many hours of senior volunteers it is our hope that their trustees what continue to support our senior center and they have done it in the past and with and will always consider a final part of our community we thank the board of trustees for allowing us to express the feelings of many members of our senior community and as you well know the senior population in beaumont our state is one of the states with the highest senior population and this is a big concern of our senior center that our senior center continues to grow and be prosperous for the seniors and our community and the area with thank you so much good stimulus i think one of the one of the contrary we want to discuss was the senior vans do we have enough vans how many trips so why don't they go around and all of sort of catalog my thoughts but then let's go let's go around the table so some of the things that i was thinking of what do we want to know how many trips to our vans making now do we need more vans that sort of thing so i might suggest might be one of the questions what what exactly is is the bit of a piece of work for staff but i would like to have staff look into what other see what other communities are doing for senior centers i certainly know that most of the smaller communities are not doing anything that we we have we are fortunate that we have the resources to be able to offer this but some of the other communities each of the counties certainly are offering have senior centers centers so i know it might be interesting for us to see what they do just to get a sense of how we might do things differently or if there is something that we want to do different i would like to know membership how it's not how big you know how this membership growing what so we get a sense of the need  due how do we anticipate how big is this going to get you know in the coming years the next five years ten years from now how many more seniors what kind of straight talking about space so those are some a few of the things but i'll throw it open to more nice to get a sense of where these people are it's one thing to have a number of people use it i'd like to know where they're coming from you know specifically as opposed to just the number itself  britain relation to it number of members i'd love to know not just now but i'd love to know last year twenty sixteen ideally going back twenty fifteen so you can see how the directory has has gone along those lines of where the growing among the potential each pool so we can strive to get some kind of an idea as to where is it going and then along the lines of cost just a change in services as well what has increased looks wh significant my research out there around the around the brain and how engaging in both socially and mentally stimulating activities you know that things like alzheimer's and other types of health risks that we don't want more members of our community facing  long distance driving needs are of the center versus the local doctors appointments and you know renting a big bus to go want to tour versus using the senior guys to go for doctor's appointments and grocery shopping  have anything to add to this any of your thoughts any any because we we're looking at it from outside in that you might have some suggestions about what other things we might want to think about pretty much everything on your combined list a downs started being talked about moments of discussion the resolution lot happening over there and there's a ton of volunteer hours and a couple volunteers to blue and red hand helpers who have had things in the we're all stretched a little bit and it's just great opportunity with the growth that's happening in the center and then i mean just yesterday was today was senior day there we're we're this is all going into we need more help do we need more part time help again to go back to your point about volunteers i know from it we know from experience on this board volunteers are fabulous but b volunteers and they can one week decide what you know what i can't come into work anymore i got to go do something else so when you start to depend on them and all of a sudden they're not there so you know we do we need to be thinking be thinking a little bit more about an additional step part time staff person something like that and i wanted to do this in the end his occasion of the upcoming budget season so in case we want to start putting more resources towards the senior center know not so and you know we're trying we're talking about the senior man with the closure of one wing and house and workout and ricky and i have been talking about working that out but then others face opportunities coming up and i feel very exalted that someone's going to say what farmers are going to have we have a perk me make those decisions i don't want to be kept out of the loop this is our livelihood now or this is our like ants our pinch passy more we could have a conversation that talks about strategic planning or senior services in the village or town for the next five to ten years what are we doing i think the latter ok i'll do i think that would be a great thing to do but i think this is more than asking an alley and ride to goodness statistics i'm wondering if we should have a more serious conversation with this like were to say can we allocate some money to bring someone in to do this for us select board because it's like shared resource ended and i think that probably what i would anticipate is short term and long term you know what do we want to do right now what do we see what's what changes if any  you know is there when when we when we signed a resolution with senior center to have become the police department and then where allie was the only you know i mean it made into it but and we were told we're going to be a department of our own and now all seven we're from under another department we're told we can do what is on her own budget we're told we can do what are wrong with our tell me what to do why i'm sorry if i go we don't need to make him feel that way and i we're not i don't think we're trying to tell you if i could just give you an example an money to run through so that they know they have this much money to operate with if they're coming here right pay their staff to pay benefits to but they know that they're going to have all these programs and they're going to how much money separate but when we approve their budget we have to do an estimate overall of how much but again generally speaking how much money they're going to be taking in and how much money they're going to be sending out because it's just it's just the way local government works but we don't dictate to them we don't tell the recreation department here's how many tennis lessons you can offer here how many swimming they make that that those decisions independently but just for the sake of bureaucracy so to speak they have to come to us with a budget that we look at and we approve and that's kind of what we're talking about what is the baseline funding that we need to supply to the senior center for example when salary resources for op just the keeping the lights on in the center operating the buses those sorts of things what does that basic funding and then we understand that a lot of the programs the seniors are going to be paying for themselves and they're going to be making those decisions themselves we're not really talking about getting involved in that but we're saying we want to we want to have a baseline funding support for the center to make sure that it continues to operate and whether programs increase or decrease how they change what members pay for those are kind of independent decisions that are being made ongoing in the center but not controlled by us do you understand what i mean  i mean it's you know i think that i think that if i can intervene i think that that really what we're trying to say here is that we look at what we want to do is get a good stamp shot of what's been out to be in three years right now who controls and how they're funded do we need more and you know for example the essex children recreation department has has been since well right no they're not we could make it be they would not be used for transporting seniors that's something that could potentially change that doesn't necessarily have to stay that way we haven't discussed it with brad luck i don't have you have but again it's there is no there's no reason why if there is a growing need for more transportation for th senior center then we can't find it somewhere in the community we just haven't we just didn't see it happen it's just not set up currently to to suit that was it's it was set up to suit the way the senior center was operating back several years ago it's expanded it's grown in so doing we need in start looking at other ways of doing it or additional you know other changes that we need so there's no there's no intention here to take something away me make that very clear we're not trying to we're not there is no intention at all to try to limit something or take something away or stop something from happening really what we're talking about is how was this grown what are the needs right now how is i what's what's the structure like and what can we do to implement it make things better for both the village him and kerry to other words have the seniors going to be involved in this or are we just going to be told  well i think what right now is that we want to i want to come up with a relatively short list of information that we want to head off the staff and then we want to have a another i mean it will be get when we get these numbers together we're going to have another there is no desire on anyone's part to cut you out of the congress i hope not because if we do not exist you are going to have a place to go when you become correct i won't say we work on this every day that's not true but we do work on issues and things we have employment issues in terms of the union rules we have federal rules of labor and transportation we have our lease agreement with  they were going to take it off and auction and steph said aha six passengers one condition has it in and we had asked the town to take a look at and they said hey with some new well as the slip board to start making decisions just not so much about the programming and stuff but we just talked about space needs if the senior center grows at the rate it's growing now we cannot continue potentially continued how's that for that long in this time because living with these types of parking spaces unless they're going to come here via another transportation source or  carpooling we don't have the parking to be able to grow exponentially at this location allie and i and others have talked about ok for the people in the audience not today and not tomorrow but what do you do if the center grows what do you do with chips grows there are ten and in this building you know we plans do we have available what needs to we have we have a hundred acres over at the tree farm so move which is owned by the town which is not fields do you look out there you know force base and parking etc those are just the things we kick around but all that takes time money effort and thought but we need to know what we're thinking about and what metrics are using no may have a great program and we could learn from them we also want to know what's going on here and what is driving this growth it's growing and the success of the activities may be a part of  thoughtful manner like we do all the other planning that we do with the emperor the seniors with the input of the staff with the input of the boards maybe i could i could just try to wrap things up here ok so the number two would be growth and membership over the last three years that number three would be funding in resources from the town from the village and from members so where w current volunteer hours and anticipated so afy needs in the coming few years is staffing is staffing not volunteer staffing because we can't control that what is staffing that we have and then i would like them listening to all this i would like to say what are from the staff from from emily and they have been in maybe when and i know how you put this together but what are current conflicts with things like transportation liability h r regulations you know what what what are they required to do versus where they live where they both billion to things like a church regulations town and village policies  transportation needs and so forth what are the you know of like the four or five really significant conflicts that you think we the boards can help you resolve right ok does that sound good  think i would like to keep it short i mean i can we can put in the other one but i've got the rest of the stuff here and we can put this maybe a sign is to a longer study in a more comprehensive study but i would like to just say if we could get that ok good does that make sense and i can give you this list ok great thank you everybody for coming and you're very welcome to stack but we're going to talk right now about an application for the enemy infrastructure it away let's several years you might remember i brought up a wish to have a euro project done on the wall of pole so it's an opportunity for communities but art in public spaces to meet public and before we talk about whether we want to pursue or not i would like to find out from and then when he returns this is going to now since that time probably darby would be the perfect person governess that i just want to make sure that's ok a letter of intent is due in december and so it's a pretty generous timeline there's time to do this we sort of need to talk about how much it might cost and how we would do a call for artists and how it would involve the public so that we could apply for grants because they're one of those things so i'm wondering if the board and a september twenty first and twenty second here in downtown this extension i'll be happy to lend darby to this project and others as as we can it's exciting it's interesting and i think it would take a structure that needs some jazz a lot and an area to sure you can share the public participation component to the rant that would be really forgot what i was going to do just f y r east village and town staff met with the school district staff this week to talk about many topics but usually as anyone can imagine the first one was busing and its impacts not only on the school district but that of the village and the town so we are continuing that discussion we are also swapping some data and some mapping so that we can both understand where their bus stops are supposed are are now going to be versus where we plow and where we don't normally plow in the town  d any changes in the village what their parking ideas are going to be and i will expect mention their comment is the first two weeks of school are always chaotic they're going to be chaotic for the school are going to be chaotic for the parking there's going to be overflow into the neighborhoods from parking it always is a mass the first two weeks let's  just assume that all of this is about bussing most sixteen year olds or seventeen year olds have no idea how to park or where to park and they show up at the last minute so what do you do so they've asked us to just be mindful of the first two weeks they are working on it they do have some bus drivers and dreaming they can't guarantee if all of them are going to pass and or take the job but they are working on it and we are trying to coordinate not only short term but longer term the ramifications and things of planning of that so with that said that's pretty much the manager report and will deal with the other item  that the trustees enter into executive session to discuss a legal matter in accordance with one vs a section three thirteen and to include the manager an assistant manager and the village attorney in the executive session s