today is april fourteenth two thousand and sixteen president can be disappointing for the committee is mr carrol please before we start our days review we should take public testimony from those interested in sharing thoughts with the committee her guardian the fiscal year two thousand and seventeen budget proposal this morning to ask suzy theme and if you please come forward members thank you for being here and taking the time to listen to testimony like like i'm giving i'm here i'm susie team and i'm here on behalf of the pacific and the most affordable housing subdivision that we're building to improve the quality of life both economically and socially of residents of the county of maui with goal oriented vision and broad collaboration pacific develop sensible and successful projects that enrich the an economic climate of the county increases the inventory of affordable and special needs housing and ensures that residents participate in that enrichment and share in a span of fits and we do that by the properties that we offer like the business incubation program at the post center that was the offices in the commercial kitchen the apartment rentals that we have for the mentally and physically challenged as well as low income rental apartments the office building which houses three nonprofit agencies and of course the affordable housing which i'm here to talk about today as you know we're currently in the process of building an affordable housing subdivision in wineland and we have what we consider to be a serious problem when we accepted the county's affordable housing gran of two million dollars to purchase the property and do the civil work we had estimates that in the estimates that indicated that all of this could be accomplished with this amount of money as our plans progress through the various county departments one of the departments made a requirement that put this project more than two hundred thousand dollars over budget the department of water supply is requiring us to extend an eight inch water line that they installed up the street from our property some time ago and left our block on the old six inch water line in order for them to approve of our project and our plans we were put in a position of accepting this requirement and the associated cost to do this work and to install this waterline and connect it to several people properties between the start of that project and our property when the base came in for this offsite water project the low bid was two hundred nineteen thousand dollars i'm happy to say that we have to have financing for this amount in the overall budget that was financed is being financed by bank of hawaii for the total construction of this project now that sounds like the problem solved but it's not if we accept that money and build this with  borrowed money we must increase the price of the house to the buyer by fourteen thousand dollars each house this make disqualify some of the buyers that we have your fi ok i'll hurry thank you i believe many of you were here in november when i talked to the housing and human concerns committee about this problem many of you had said we need to help you and that's what i'm looking for is is that help i mentioned in earlier comments at that time that the to department of water supply offers a rebate program on this type of work that amounts to eighty one thousand dollars so if you take that away from the two hundred nineteen thousand the total cost to the key to us would be one hundred thirty seven thousand dollars however that rebate comes in the form of a fifty percent it's a fifty percent rate reduction according to their calculations of what they pay for that comes in the form of five year once a year payments so and it starts a year after the property is finished that does not help us with the purchase price of the house i'm here to ask for your he please these people need affordable housing they're lined up their need to go that fourteen thousand could make a big difference to them and one one last thing if i might add i understand that the department of water supply is looking for any increase in price in the water meters in this next budget year they are making a proposal to this committee yes ok that of course would be another issue for us because we're looking at the six thousand dollars now if that increases as another cost we have to pass on thank you for listening to me and i hope you can help us help them thank you for your testimony and questions members of mr coach thank you mr chair and thank you mr the team and for being here the question i have on the water july first can you can't you just say ok we want to get the water meters i tried that when i first heard that that was a possibility i contacted the folks over at the water supply office and they said they don't take reservations for water meters in central maui we just have to order them when we're ready for them because they'll put them on their list immediately to go up and install i don't know if we can work something out with them for this special case or not we will certainly try all right thank you thank you and hear the questions by the members we appreciate your comments and we will see what we can do to assist thank you very much everybody i appreciate your consideration thank you so much work on behalf of our buyers thanks is there anyone else we can provide testimony this morning before this committee come forward see to name for the record  had a budget of nine thousand dollars for each of the last two years but we're asking for a supplemental addition to that this year because of some extraordinary events that are going on number one we're going to have a huge parade in honolulu that all the neighbor islands are going to be involved in and hopefully all the mayor says that's going to happen within nine months it's going to require quite a bit of travel expense  r consulates also undertaken for major events in the last year and that we need extra help for one is the dedication of the expansion of the cemetery which is going to be happening in about eight months also we've had two or three outreach programs that we've started this year the most important one to the homeless veterans and we're kind of penny pinching to do right job we have more demand and we can and that will be a part of it we are also starting next fiscal year trying to figure out a way out to raise money on our own for that event as well to this day we have helped  five homeless veterans get housing one back in college this is something that's a high priority for us and we want to continue it and expand it the county fair booth we've had to drop that because of the cost of it nine thousand dollars doesn't go a long way especially with that booth it's probably about one thousand and twelve hundred dollars we want to get back into it because that's a good way to reach our young  veterans the afghan and iraqi veterans and you've all seen net probably display over the former years and we really need to do that and we need your help for that as well lastly we're getting a lot of demands f even the parks department said we should do that on our own so we're getting nine thousand dollars now under the mayor's budget but this year because of all these extraordinary events that we  e for the first time we're asking you to eighteen thousand in other words giving us another nine thousand and that's a one time only next year we won't have all these things converse at the same time and we want to thank you for your appreciation of what we do of coming to our events and it's always good to see you give a report things are going better than ever we're doing more work than ever and you know the average age of our cons seventy years so you can appreciate doing a lot more than getting all there is a real challenge but bless you for all the work you're doing thank you any questions questions for the gentleman show we closed for today's meeting with no objections thank you members ordered this morning we're going to start off with the review of capital improvement program requests from the department  i do have the division chiefs here for discussion and questions not only our f y seventeen proposed but also on current projects that's happening now thank you pete thank you  consent decree gas facility project so what happens with this project as a reminder or summary is that we have a bunch of projects that we do within our facilities county wide  and on this project compass is all of those those are internal plant upgrades and replacement on improvements that we need and this year we have some electrical system upgrades in our  and the result from that we ended up in there it is consent degree in one thousand nine hundred ninety and we basically all went on for the next fifteen years roughly on that is consent decree which allowed us  operated in a more efficient and more proactive way and what happened is we recently i think we're ready came before this body and we recently i think it was two years ago now are fourteen we actually ended our consent decree but the what happens is the even the law we're not under legally that consent decree the programs continue so that we don't fall back to experiencing fluctuations on this is every year we come in and we've been experience fluctuations in the beating climate as far as construction and as well as the zion services so what we established the ball maybe of all eight years ago now is this means of in case all the on there is any type of bid overruns that we were able to still in convert a fund still allow us to do the projects and go ahead with those projects and so this is a continuation and this year last year was half a million dollars but we expended within the first six months of our our our fiscal year so this year we because construction we've experienced is kind of wrapping up our boots and becoming in high on the design and construction side so we kind of bump it back up to one million we thought maybe we could drop back because construction started slowing down but then we ran into problems and so we kind of had to increase it back to what it was in one million dollars expended the last year's appropriations have you been able to come in for a budget amendment go we did come in for one that was for a filter project if you remember and that was recently approved and taking care of the people it's all being done  however i guess because it's already i guess just process wise because a rarity in the proposed for this year's budget by the time you we meet and everything i just i think it to have their flexibility but if it goes over a certain amount we really go think of what we want to do the project now at that price and we know that the contractors are busy and so their prices is not lean and mean it's what the job that you can do it says your prayers make up your mind know even the old bids will continue as construction climates goes up in dollars we only have really a handful of contractors can and can do our work and saw their prices will go up and two and it's the county wide e p a compliance project on this project on page seven to seven and this project  is another project that we through our consent decree back in the years and what this actually done did was allow us to go ahead and inspect all of our gravity that was a priority line so we thought that might be in deteriorating and soul we with last year's fiscal year sixteen money we set out a contract and we were filming ninety and we're what we're finding is it's not complete yet it will be done in two months but majority of the deterioration is in the area and so this five hundred dollars in well allow us to probably replace roughly your own unfortunately only about a thousand to fifteen hundred feet and so this number me go up and down in the future depending on how much more lines  the carol ok think you make it so is this you currently finishing in your so you're close circuit project and then you're also asking us to upgrade your close circuit next project please mr marker go next project is project number c v s two seven three two and it's the county wide satellite recycle water facilities and this is on page seven twenty eight community is we're trying to see if we can strategically place scalping plans and what that does is allow us to strategically put these satellite facilities in areas such as next to the golf course where we already have infrastructure there and it allows us to treat the water right where the water is needed and then irrigate either the golf course cable on par the new central park that's coming ahead and so what this study will identify is really first is that possible how much is it going to cost and where can we strategically put those type of facilities and we've been  t those plants are either in their cases it's really their land constrained so they can expand their capacity so what they're doing is doing satellite facilities in our case what we're facing is trying  utilise that water kind of like hawaii has a bunch of satellite facilities next to their golf courses and so they're able to reuse pretty much hundred percent of their water and in this facility that's kind of what we're doing with this project and hopefully like one per figure we're thinking about is the station is right on the water it's right next to the harbor looking remove it from the ocean hopefully put it right next to cable on the part and al irrigate the entire part as well as you see all the areas right around there and i think they could probably according to our verification studies in our one it's i think they use possibly about a million gallons through all the different that that is correct and so what happens with these facilities is they have two different types is they have a full facility where they treat the solids and everything but then we're looking at is really the water to our own standards and then you pass the rest of us all this back down to our centralize facility because it reduces the cost of the satellite facility as well as and then we already have infrastructure to take care of the solids at our centralize plants part right next to it as well as you see that takes a lot of water also saw or could possibly take and so we're this just looking at a broad stroke over google maps and you know what different forces where we have exist you showed two amounts of twelve point five million dollars i need is that for just one station or is that anticipated several how many stations is that going to be for  my understanding we do brackish water at cape will any part would it be better to find a place to replace potable water i'm sure there's places where we're having issues in west maui potentially or additional capital improvements to just to you know to me to keep it running so but you are right we are and we're not focused on one area it is going to be county wide and so they would identify a bunch of different impacts we'll look at a potential cost benefit ratio by how you point out the portable water but i would also say from this just perspective we have to try to make sure th would skelp you know one million gallons from there and we could utilize it get rid of it pass us past those all expect all right ok thank you just one clarification on that but so is this something that you it's completely new build or do you add something to the pump stations along the force means in those things in order to accomplish this we have to build entirely new whatever system or facility and then you would actually build a treatment plant with smaller station pump station to that won't continue pump that water and so you know it's you guys because it is all pretty new philosophy for us as of even though it's done in the nation and we can just we will be able to show you guys ok this is kind of what it entails determine whether or not that's you know not ok and think you but the reason i ask is because i was kind of taken aback in your overall c a p projects especially in regards to asked the question there were guards to force me to pump stations because you got four replace you doing four for force mean you're placements in west and so would it be more feasible or whatever while you're designing that out to make those into scalping plants or whatever these facilities are to expand our one use in west mt in particular heading north towards couple or something so that's kind of why i was trying to figure out as far as the distribution of funds in the scheduling of were projects go as far as district wise i mean fiscal year sixteen we roughly fifty percent of that money went to west mall wide is addressed and those priorities are just set by the conditions and of the existing in existing infrastructure that we get and so if one year it might be all and then the next year it's all of the high end i mean it's just a priority which they all were built in different times and so they deteriorate differently deepening on their conditions and then the whole that ties into your as far as and soul on the first real build for the reliability and in the and the idea behind this project is really water quality the monetary sampling and testing project and as you all know because of our  our lawsuit and the potential permits that we may have to get in the future and the continuing  sampling as if we did have these type of permits so that in the future what we can do if we are required to go there all how much will it cost us on an annual basis and what the reality is on  miss current questions yeah i think it's fair and so there's the eighty fifty thousand dollars grant which states for water quality sampling and monitoring so how does that relate and that are that grant was actually proposed to me through an individual who actually is going to retire this year from the zero eight so we put that it as a placeholder as we mentioned in a know who these type of who's out there and and get a realistic i guess cost of how much it's going to be and then we can go ahead and try to see if we're going to actually pursue the actual bigger sense kind of stepping back in a bigger picture but this money then is it mainly for equipment that you'll be needing in order to carry out this testing to monitor visit is probably you hiring different consultants who do it nationwide you get a company who does it who takes care of water because we're not the only ones i mean nationwide there's thousands of people to move towards doing it ourselves and procuring any type of equipment any type of additional lab stuff that we need in order to do it but i'm just off my head i'm almost to include all the different areas and the different facilities saw the weight in the professional services i have i think sleeted seventy thousand dollars or whatever it is in that in that one e b c and sole what this does is whenever i've hired actual design consultants in that kind of stuff it's always been three or any contractors it's always been through c i p my professional services that we typically use for is really things that we've already established like arre models our lawsuits that we had to create the project there is no project  so for me i don't have a problem you for us to look at this on the professional services if a project results from the use of that monies from your contract costs and then you still can't capture that as part of your you know project because when there is a project well ok yeah i'm totally open to that as long is somehow i can until you have one project to ask us for i kind of see how chair and i think that's something that we're trying to work with with finance as well just to identify components that what can be compromised and what shouldn't be and i know that you know this is some of things we want to see in the upgraded financial reporting system that we are being asked to consider purchasing so you know there are definitely things that we would like to see in the software seven thirty three and so this project we are already in the design phase we are going to build a second one million gallon recycled water tank in the right next to the existing one meaning water tank and right now we basically go through our one tank once a day and saw what this will allow us to do is have the necessary done in c as well as in case any equipment failures or whatever we still have enough water for the existing users and this also will actually help us operationally because it allows us to pump water to our tank during the day when we are off the grid from our piece from that we recently completed a few back and so will utilize that savings from the p v electrical use and then pump up this so it also has operational savings and then this also allows us to we have this  much the biggest user is the golf course earlier that i think they use roughly out of the million gallons i think they use anywhere from eight hundred to nine hundred thousand gallons a day but you with because we all always take their money we're always ready and so they're always looking ways to kind of give us more of those funds because they're on the pressure from their federal e p a side to get rid of the money so they need to do the spend not any different than any of our other users who who are along this system we recently had a a telephone conversation with the deal  and what who provides what kind of stuff for this project and the other question i have that i hope you will certainly take into consideration you know coordinate with them i would hate to see something like what may happen  even if we're not it may be a slight inconvenience when we install it but after looking everything is it looks well but wait it's not so much the looks of the convenience it's the of our implants is to reconstruct that half of the old way sure sure hopefully like you said if they've never allowed us so far but we could just do a temporary patch and then they could and after us and then percent jump in estimate holdouts i'm not too sure something to do it a bridge in because public works in charge of that project i'm not too sure is i think it almost positive as a bridge we had to kind of alter our alignment because and we're no longer going down that north south collector corridor and so we were already working we've been working with the high school for the past five years i think it was and so they're going to come online and we have to figure out a way to know the questions on this project members next project are a next project is c b s two three two one and this is the north transmission system and that's on page seven thirty five and what this project involves is it's really it's another study or p r to really figure  it's it doesn't have the capacity required so all that we have been taking into consideration a lot of these north of the highway type of developers like the school and i believe there's another that these different landowners can tie in into our system because if not what happens is what we typically do is tell them well if you know order for you to tie in you need to upgrade every all the infrastructure that comes down sulky year old all along there then always on the part and then coming back up to our treatment plant and soul what we're trying to do here is trying to see get a ballpark figure what would it be what would i take in order to develop this and then how do you either distribute that assessment feel ate or and that kind of stuff ok yes a coach thank you mr chairman so ultimately where you can add that i guess maybe for that we can assess that would be a change in zoning time as opposed to so whenever subdivision or whatever you're talking about because my the reason i ask that is because to the committee's question regarding the update on the sussman fees there are two to reach in central and one is key here has two fees so collection system so you will see index code for one one zero one four one one zero three is the two components of our columns that create balances for this is the construction for the remaining eleven are to use that we need to replace at the facility that has been over twenty years old so this is part of your overall  the yes chair that is created on point of the system or yes chair that is correct so this is the software and this is the hardware that it talks to work our equipment your c account yes ok then the other eleven is through this account why wouldn't you just throw this in to see your other than the fact of appearing as cutting it in half charity so we requested the design funds last year i believe so that's the one i was talking about that we are going to this whole skate up create and we also doing this this is part of that upgrade is really how to communicate and communications i know i think it is critical that you get a good system because it's part of our critical infrastructure and so forth i'm  very open to requests and any questions members next project please yes the next project looks like it's to develop this coronation to disinfect as well as algae control or if the numbers come all we might go to a bulk type of cornish decision which they still do provide here thank you all contained but with this new what we follow when we're looking at this new technology which would be cheaper but it's all seoul going to be a mobile system and because of our korean demands are going down because everywhere we're starting to produce our own water through u v disinfection delmon of chlorination required at our facilities is less and more for algae control and so what we're doing with these mobile if there it at their facility so ok thank you thank you and it's on a seven thirty nine and basically this is just one of those problem areas that we're having we've experienced several sewage spills over the past ten years and and then it looks like you're coming down between the driveway exert easement down there because that's not a road that i know i mean those condos are where i live so that looks like it's through subdivided later and built and you'll see those projects coming future i guess my concern is that we just two years within the last two years repaved can only hope and again it's seems like there's a lack of coordination i don't know if this came up after that  or i just sometimes you just question if you guys are talking here thank you thank you chair just i understand forty seven and what this project will do is help us to construct this coup drive line replacement and once again this is another project that  and replacing all these damaged areas i just assume everybody as old as me  could be looked at as a scalping plan but this one is really true i guess kind of regional plan only because the reality is that it's on the outskirts of our system  there's no reason to send the solids back through our entire system and based on the map the see here on the on this project on ph seven forty nine on there are some large developments that are going to imagining is there's going to be a huge regional park there or possibly in the future and when what we're hoping to do is one of goals is try to divert some of that  existing as well as utilizing that retain water right there in this location and maybe in the future who knows if what the plans are for the cns maybe he goes to a park where we can always get the water a carol christians are on this project  pretty excited about hearing this and hopefully assistance monetary lee on this forty million plus price tag at the end by all these added developments popping up all over wildly subdivisions are going to be contributing to this a b they haven't had change and zoning so that's potentially another issue but what is your what is your thoughts on how they're going to help pay for this you know at risk i don't want to put the reason in the difficult situation infrastructure expansion i don't want it for other subsequent councils to see was this a concept of you know i know we have a plan and i am happy to have that be promoted have the monies to plan and do their assessments but nothing more you know we decide where we want to go because community plan is eventually going to come up different location that's really similar to that area but yes to answer your question yeah we do have a area that already is slated for three on i believe and then if not there's a couple of other areas that are right don't want you think that i am open to i don't have a problem with conditions of sony and seemed a fair share of financial responsibility i prefer to i'm trying to make a big change in how we're going to get some of the infrastructures in place to deal with the issues that we deal with currently everybody so even on the type of conditions with my thing is we got to change the way we do things and i think the nine of us have the will to make it happen so i'm just looking at ways to be able to present to the rest of you how we want to approach the issue from an insanity approach to a scene approach this is on page seven fifty one and basically this one is it's about their building that houses are all of our solids handling equipment and it's pretty much this it carol questions the all of the costs will cover the improvements required sides in in our keep facility one was built in the original plan in the seventy five side and then we actually operate on the five side which is the one that meets our current permit requirements and on this project once again just is bringing back that seventy five site up to par sol they five side runs perfectly fine at the current flow as it is now and so there be no shutdown or interruption of service ok that means will have more capacity then once this is up and running and completed and on on seventy nine hundred seventy five section yes it actually won't create more capacity just bring us back to chair i see that you have appropriated f y twenty six to do say that you weren't able to do anything without because the only reason i ask is because if you do the math it's way more than twenty one point five million dollars the show here on the six year total roughly thirty million so what we did was kind of those over the two years so that it helped us to allow us to keep our minimum level and soul we we're going to expend that hopefully we're going to beat it all in october well hopefully we don't need more than the twenty five like it's estimated to be thirty and we so we just put in another place order in one thousand just in case we need to do  seventeen and then the ensuing years it doesn't include the prior fiscal years ok thank you thank you and it's on a seven fifty five this is basically a one of the so self and so in that regards though so did we complete the southern portion then already time supermarket you know from that end of have we done any force m this is occurring and then talking about all the r one expansion along this route you know i just thought if we're going to did all this up now is there in a pre planned for the s one one six two and the p d five and six for spain replacements once again this is just as in another for spain that was it identified in the previous studies to be replaced because it had its and useful project i think this is a pretty straight forward and you basing this on the same assessments that he that you presented in previous projects so this year is the construction money i'm a selector go  yes this year's is that's the construction fun project next project is c b s one one six three sheraton waste water pump station modifications and this is on page seven fifty nine  canned stations if you guys recall and were going through replacing all of them that were metal cans that holds all of our electrical equipment and pumping equipment and we're getting rid of all these because they're at us and useful life and then we're just replacing it with nice concrete structures and all electrical equipment above above ground so that any type of flooding in there environmental conditions won't  provides for this area kaanapali operators association maintains you know all the infrastructure in this resort area so county does the sewer we is the drive right in the middle of course and so that's one where you have already proven it's almost complete so but we maintain all of our infrastructure along that area ok working as we were explained during that creation we wouldn't have this issues and we wouldn't have the concerns that mr cochran brings up today because it would have been address so it's something you're going to think about regarding the existence and status of the coordination if it does the work of the under its current form i'm happy to look at another four with that mr told way ahead you know contacts if there's any issues whatever and just educated and you know made awareness to what the job was going in tail and the people had no problem they understood the need and yes it's going to be inconvenient but at least they were given heads up and so they really appreciate it and things run really smooth that way so thank you that's a really good point thank you very near the questions for the department on this project members every to possibly need to explore to figure all if you know the philosophy in our of our the part mean we try to figure all the different options that is out there and  addressing you know we have injection will be great nol and if certain possibilities if you know certain alternatives doesn't work we you know this is one of the type of projects that is already done game is really look at this type of technology look at this type of one water source and figure all is this a place for us in and when the lawsuit does and is it and all the other alternatives is exhausted is this something that we as a community want to pursue this just really gives us the knowledge and the background and what would it take in order to implement we inject if we created that to our own would that put us in a whole different situation especially well with litigation or just is that an acceptable practice as you said some we send it up and they have a reserve or up there with that they get surface water from the pool from that surface water and then do their treatment to meet their requirements so basically to ensure that it gets treated below and actually technically gets systems that we want to install areas where we don't have any electrical capacity nearby and it's mainly at the outer landfills such as harlem for example and someone w to so these are small turban systems with a small p v panel many of you looked at what we have a to keep a treatment facility entrance or similar to that in nature this is much cheaper than running conduit and infrastructure to some of these remote locations and is to address areas that we have to act access in the dark at night or early morning hours and sometimes in emergency conditions so this we see is the most advantageous way to get lighting in these areas  and again i'm just asking if it was part of your consideration and can it handle security systems like cameras on your office area if it however most of where the components you're talking about would have electrical capacity already like near the buildings so we certainly could put security systems in with existing electrical that we do have these are mainly for exterior areas like out our fire system or gas monitoring wells in areas where we don't have carnal lecture city if we did want to put a camera systems on these i believe those are low energy consumption components that we could  hopefully find a good system in order to because that's how i live it i know it's important to get good storage capacity for it to offset the times when you're not having readers to take care of your electrical needs make it your thank you what's landfills actually is it for this for this amount of dollars how many are you sure we're estimating about twenty units total for the smart money which includes an underground concrete base and then the installing i don't have the exact quantity for each landfill it would depend on where the bit comes in if it's around twenty it could be it could be sixteen it could be twenty two summers in there depending on the amount of cost but m on page seven twenty three in this project is county wide project for overall environmental compliance system design and construction this is similar to the wastewater divisions consent decree c a p projects where it encompasses the projects throughout the county and all of our landfills and all of our close landfills this will address unforseen conditions that we cannot plan for  for example we have projects that require us to expand or replace infrastructure that we have that comes about during the fiscal year itself for example we could however if we don't have funding to handle it and it is as a compliance related item we wouldn't have enough time to come in for a supplemental budget to do the project so this is an amount of money to have available for these councils concerned last year that was brought up as well as further definition of what a c h p is and what operations is so this is not a slush fund or slush monies or anything like that this is monies in place to handle p infrastructure improvements during the fiscal year as they come up and we do have normally several of these each year there's an occurrence where one of these projects would come up with needs immediate addressing by the county and then we have to basically tell department of health what our plans are and how quickly we're going to address it without getting into detail about the deadlines when it comes to compliance related with the a wage when we get notified that one of these projects is done we have to address it immediately so i would call them base type projects but their infrastructure improvements we would have to immediately go to design which is also we need moneys basically immediately to do this  rights within weeks manner did you first make adjustments to your requests we've looked at rb account this year and if you we have taken that into consideration aside from union contract agreements and fuel and electrical costs that were adjusted from an operations perspective has not gone up very much whatsoever so even though our cost of increased with inflation and various things like that we've taken this project into account to offset those the savings that we would get where we would normally use be a call monies for so we have taken that into account in that manner and to clarify we're asking for five hundred thousand dollars if we only spend two hundred fifty thousand of this it is we this is barn monies we certainly did an employee would not use that money so this is more of a safety valve for us to address the related projects that come up that we just don't have enough time for coming in in waiting a couple of months to start it so our hope is  you would like to approach it we are addressing some of the concerns brought up by the county order as a rigorous to c a p projects and what we need to do what the council needs to consider to ensure compliance to the projects that we approve is then within the parameters of our intentions as it was presented to the committee and as funded by the can we present ations  project immerse into it after we are funding so we you know we understand your requests and we're going to work with you to find ways to because if it's not part of the budget document there is no project crow thank you thank you chair for your comments because i was going to get into that because it's the yard quest is rather broad but if you are aware of what's required for your compliance or whatever it is that's regulate it is it not possible because you faults are on your employment employees you year you mention that you have to like do it check point to make sure you're in compliance and if if it's not aren't you prepared or are you all in compliance to date because you're not being specific and i guess like mr thomas you don't have a project history so good question and hopefully we can clarify it for you what happens at our landfills at times is we will be in full compliance with their air emissions as well as our gas collections and then if all of a sudden there's a hit on it it becomes a concern for us and for department of health and then they require us to add an additional well immediately that's the type of work we're talking about so it can't be forseen the geological changes that happened subsurface in the landfill cannot be forseen so we cannot identify whether we might need a new era mission well or gas collection system in error immediately until those hits certainly we try to project as best we can but this project was in an attempt to address i believe it was mr white's concern last year about spending the accounts monies that could be attributed better to  projects so this was basically try to make sure that when we have infrastructure improvements there we spend it from ca he but hopefully that answers your question of why asking if personnel the bodies were sufficient to keep them in compliance and it founded yes that people you know our position to make  sure maintained acceptable levels of regulatory compliance and if i recall it was mainly the monitoring of sorts or the reporting of sorts that a lot of the compliance issues had originated from so if we have the bodies in the people now to keep on top of that portion of it i don't understand why we continue to receive you know bad grades or whatever and where this fits in i mean because as i'm as i understand the actual equipment in operations that self is up to par but it was the monitoring reporting man power our so these are the replacements for emergency additional wells under the ground or gas collection system infrastructure immediate needs in emergency repairs actually repairs but complete new wells that we're talking about whether it be a gas monitoring well or air quality monitoring so it's not a staffing component per se it's a matter of making sure that we farm these  replacements or additional wells that we need appropriately ok because the operating impact narrative doesn't mention enable efficient and reliable monitoring  of the compliance systems so it kind of made me think about actual manpower who will be monitoring i know the right the machinery to do the my trip but you got to read it so anyways chair i'm removal project you may recall from last fiscal year this is identified area where we had some on the promenade waste that was dumped outside of our grounds back in the late eighty's and early ninety's so this is a historical measure that we got to address from the past so this is a regulatory compliant project that definitely needs to get done more moving into the second phase of this project at this point where we've completed the inspection we've completed the design we've also had monies from last fiscal year where we're addressing areas there once we get permitted even in this fiscal year and half way sixteen we're going to start that work but this money the two million dollars we're asking for now for the seventeen is to continue that effort and you'll see you know forty eight hundred number in there as well but this project is one that don't really having choice we have to definitely address this and we've been advised that this is a c h p project it is critical in nature for us little bit more about this additional two forty two million for a certainly there may have been a misunderstanding last year and or if not the initial estimate for the project was based basically so it is a larger extent than we initially anticipated and a greater horizontal area as well it's involved so unfortunately it's a bigger project than initially anticipated we have hired prior question is in a separate area upon that recycling i don't know however it should be noted that a good percentage of the material that we're going to excavate can be recycled i know it's not exactly what you asked by the additional information that's positive for us because we can excavate green waste rock and dirt an earthen material out of there and actually utilize that for cover material on the existing landfill there but the current recycling center will be maintained in continue to operate and won't be affected yes yes we do we haven't identified staging area for the material to be processed also along those lines we do have a plan in place a plan in place to refurbish that roadway system and something that happens from time to time when it we get heavy rains that are all landfill so we are going to base that road going up into the working face to where the community needs to drive of the project it's a very good question it's not part of the project because we're basically going to exit a all the way down to virgin ground level before any of this material was in there so we're going to pull all that material  in the evaluation we determine what the gas content is now so there's no unsafe condition in the excavation but once we're done it's going to be back to virgin elevation ground that was there before and so there's no need to put any been considering now on going for the over the last year and a half now and we've been working diligently with on a ranch they have a new name with them in hopes that they're going to get terminated with department of health to actually take the greenways and process it themselves it at this point in time they have not secured that permit and they may or may not be able to do so myself and the director have talked about this issue to see what we can have value it within else resources currently right now we're fully tasked with his run in the landfill and to create a an additional amount of resources and manpower to mulch that green waste and make it available in low people when they come in he isn't something we currently have resources to do if on a ranch folks are completely unable to do and get permitted for their green waste processing and will have to f p status are poor as of december thirty first twenty fifteen matrix a long piece of paper that we get in regards to this item and it shows that it is an appropriation of two hundred fifty thousand and i guess currently balance of ninety eight thousand five hundred and the status is waiting for archaeologists proposal for a plan and monetary so where is that question right running with the remaining funds that we have available to us in a choice sixteen on or about july of this year ok and so this safety now the soil of environmental assessment as we discussed when we're going over the operations budget this is when that we currently do own we're looking at taking the remaining acreage that we do have available and completing this environmental assessment to allow us too expand the usable when fill area to continue to land for i think we're looking at about  so you're correct in our current estimations is about twenty twenty one the current landfill that we have there are many it will be filled i think i understand the question correctly but this  and it's utilizing a g p s system so you can see what your topography of the land is and how high the department of health would permit the landfill for three d modeling and with g p s you can determine how much actual cubic yards of space that you have and then you take into account the amount of compaction ratio that you have with your equipment and your member hour and then thank goodness that i don't ever remember of the questions on this project members soko church thank you mr chair and the question i have is as you have said you're going to try and do something around twenty nineteen twenty twenty but i don't see me subsequent year funding you have any idea of what that's going to be or is that a separate project yes there will be once we determine and get to the land use the next the next phase would be going into design and i do apologize that's not showing on here  just the design would probably come in but ten chile in two thousand and eighteen or nineteen so when we're here next year there will be design and construction phase of shows mediation four hundred thousand balance available three hundred forty two thousand three hundred fifty dollars status as of december says preparation of final closure plan including for final maintenance as per outline plan so it's that project i just mention in relation to this  through inspection identification actually designing bits specs and we're going to put all four of those out to bid in the next couple of months and so is one of those projects so it's separate from the actual m forty one is the next project and this is at central landfills is a fair five gas collection system expansion so as the landfill gets built up our gas collection system has to continue to be built to collect that gas just in general terms out so it's constructed as it gets higher and higher up you put more gas lines at different elevations to continue to collect your gas so in this case  we're looking at needing to get this done by the end of fiscal year seventeen is our goal in general when you put waste down you have to start to collect gas within five years of actually when filling that way so this is just a systematic approach to our design in plans of operating in maintaining a landfill per regulatory requirements fully intended to do that at that time what the current plan is is it's inside of the contract to utilize that gas and future gas to create there on site electrical needs  for their facility what would you estimate in two thousand and sixteen dollars of what we would just bernie from the collection system at this point in time i would have to get back to because i'd have to look at the amount of amount of gas we have and what the current market is for that there was just one estimate that worked in the values we dealing with if there's million dollars was is this that the five hundred thousand would that have been something that could be used for this this is something in this vicinity of the landfill and you could tap into that many in order to i don't know create another well or whatever it might be needed to do and it could be but the the the direction that we had tried to describe is earlier in the day it would be for on in to support in on planned events and projects that we didn't know about in this particular case because we know the tonnage coming into the landfill we know the elevation as it's rising up we generally know when we're going to need to put these gas lines in so this is a planned project this is something that we could members christians next project please thank you page number seven forty three this is a collection in recovery and electrical distribution upgrades and this is out the central mali landfill as we mentioned we have a couple of things going on at every landfill is one gas is another and groundwater is another that we monitor in general collection systems at all and fills in the very regulatory related and there's ovations that elevations that are required to meet so at central my landfill we have storage tanks we also have a station that you can see there in the picture it's quite deep down under the ground and that's measuring in monitoring what the leach level is at the bottom of the landfill so this project actually is meant a long time coming in something that  has been needed to be done we did do an interim be accountable repair to maintain compliance out there but this project is actually to do a much longer term sustainable replacement of the system that's  required so how much of repeating frame since two thousand and eleven and for this particular item we did actually get a fine i believe it was one hundred thirty three thousand dollars i think t when they give us a notice of violation or any notice of apparent violation those are the first little particulars that we get from the part of health but i have not determined any rhyme or reason for whether those go to a fine or not and sometimes it gets determined on the complexity or the environmental impact the department of health would first see that particular thing to impact  so i don't believe there's any calculation that they use for a time frame when they give us the n a v we we certainly have a time frame to respond and what we're going to do  even if we do respond in do the repair or the replacements or whatever's necessary to get back to compliance we found that even upwards of a year or more later sometimes you still experience a fin  national electrical code ok yes so we have some electrical distribution system and components there that need to be brought up to code it's a little more sustainability long term as i said this is a quite an old system there that we've been holding together with operations and maintenance monies but it's come time to replace this whole system electrical code so different from the national cold i mean you force referred to the national cool but what the council does is update you know what the s counties agreed to so is there different standards that were you know i think i think most counties in most all states would adhere to the same code from a national standard forty five this is a skate a system for central marlin phil been long coming for us out there to have an automated system that's monitoring the activity that we have going on out there on a twenty four hour basis currently when it rains we're not aware offsite of what the leech levels are we're not aware of the various amount of rainfall that we're experiencing at th so this is a much smaller system in comparison to what we would have at the wastewater facility that's connecting all of our pump stations and treatment plant functions and controls to a central computer system but this is  major step for us to have this system in place to actually monitor record data in real time and it is directly related to regulatory compliance as systems stormwater and it also gives twenty four seven monitoring offsite of rainfall and i think in the long term this project will save us money it will keep us in better compliance and keep us much more  proactive vs reactive and as well as potentially save time to address things when they may need to be addressed in the middle of the night versus the next day when it comes to things like the flare system that we talked about earlier that really does need twenty four seven monitoring and we don't obviously have staff there all night long so this system has to address all those needs for the entire facility and to tie all sensing equipment it from a manual perspective so we will have to go down into wells like you saw in the previous page versus having sensing equipment that will monitor it for us and tell us where it's they've got system we're monitoring it manually but we're doing it you know during the day when we have staff out there only when we really should be monitoring on twenty four seven basis and it's much much better for data collection and much more informative for us  so this is a very smart requests we just curious why you didn't come sooner for this consideration is there was there other issues regarding this project a very good question we've tried to do what we can with the resources we have in house i believe this was looked at as early as about a year and a half back and  for you already so that's we're just trying to get a sense you know because we understand the need to move forward in technology but since you're also asking us for doing this which i am this i'm just trying to make sense with the additional requests for infests from it the time of the return for us and then knowing that more and likely a third party will be coming in agreement the short answer is yes definitely this is definitely recommended and we would need to do this regardless of whether energy came on board or not because this is our responsibility inside the landfill so we've got to monitor the tree we've got to monitor all the different control features that we have in our facility currently and into the future even up until closure of the landfill and then as as hopefully we're slowly learning more about landfills here up until thirty years after when we close it so energy it wouldn't have those components and responsibility they would be handling the gas as we talked to talked about earlier but it's still our responsibility to monitor that and get it right to them to where they're going to be operating so a very good question and these systems are definitely critical and necessary for us to operate regardless of what happens in the future thank you for th didn't we have a contract with like a side company that would run reports there's some hot like you can remotely monitor this was in their contract  twenty four seven basis with alarm base we do certainly utilize consultants come out to help with longer term quarterly reports and even yearly reports they're very extensive in involved in require eight stuff that we have out there and as you can see in the picture of basically the floors coming out of this thing but it the roof is also damaged were having leaking issues out there if i recall correctly this may have been a hammy down from public works from quite many years ago maybe this thing maybe is old is twenty years old we've made do with it to try to keep it repaired and and you that as best we can but it's definitely needs to be replaced at this point  also has to be relocatable because of the current operations at the water facility and there's design work going on right now the timing of this is kind of important because we have to relocate actually you can utilize and not have issues with water damage and  facility is definitely commensurate with what we need inside but the relocate ability of this having axles definitely gives us an opportunity to relocate it is a small building it is relatively cheap when you consider what it does water sewer and electrical ok there but it is accessible through the wastewater treatment plant itself ok you know why i was thinking there was a proposal for an actual building itself difficult for us to locate and we've done cost a valuation between that and locating it here it is a small trailer only a staff so conjunction with wastewater and cooperation there we're looking at the most cheapest alternative and this unsuitable facility members christians on the project request will be referring to thank you mr chair our first project is on page eight nine eight it's c b s one zero seven five it's titled county wide facility improvements this differentiates from the next project which is county wide upgrades and replacements from sense that countywide facility improvements tend to be more component replacements rather than the next project is larger scale system replacements so we're asking  for two point one five million dollars are in suspended projects for this year are replacements of various well and booster pump station components this includes g c filters the pump and booster the additional requirements you make note of ancillary requirements i'm sorry i missed the fact that if if we can complete these projects for less money than this we  also try to use the this fall ending to support escalated project costs for other projects what we've found its best is rather than adding a buffer to each project we combine those into one so that if a project is just a small amount over big with the short time we have to execute contracts we have someplace to top that money so we might also use this funding for key and again as we told the other departments or just some of the comments from the county order to are very looking at that if putting the projects in the budget  costs members questions on this request of two point one five million disses water unrestricted do you have a sense of are you going to break up the two point one five into the five projects there are i do are estimates are rough estimates are the well and pump station replacements are half a million dollars the reroofing half a million reservoir on the site of the treatment plant and i believe that it's probably got enough height that it's probably considered a dam if you could confirm whether it is or isn't because i we just want to make sure that if it's part of one other compliance thing we have this we have an understanding yes i can confirm if you said it is it is considered a state dam yes it's one of our six dams that are inspected under the state dams program okee are we appreciate that confirmation director at least one of them because i know we have responsibility additional responsibilities as overs or operators all of them correct that is correct dam explaining these are the well and booster pump station components components at those sites they're not actually they got filters so even if there was no g c filter at the site we would still have to pump the water to make the elevations so the pumps  our responsibility and actually when you pressurized the water just runs right through the g c fill the filters so nothing adding do with contamination affects whether or not you need the pumps that's just part of our water movement  little higher up so although the office of economic development manages that site we take care of that water infrastructure and those it's the higher pump station pumps that need to be replaced ok that almost that's exactly correct clearwell is basically just a finished water tank so it's the final water that comes out of the treatment plant where it goes for storage before it's just that word is called the clear while there are concrete tanks the interiors directly if you move to the next project please the next project is c b s two to ninety nine county wide upgrades and replacements on page eight ninety nine so these these are county wide projects that are a little bit bigger they are really complete replacement rather than major maintenance which was the last project we are asking for four and a half million dollars for a number of projects the first is to construct a water tank to replace the existing fifty thousand gallon can i water tank to address corrosion and and deficiencies identified in the deal which sanitary survey that is two million dollars i'm sorry can i that is one million dollars design still way improvements for the six raw water reservoirs serving the hino linda compliance to address compliance in the dam safety regulations that was previously talked about that is four hundred fifty thousand dollars design a water line to upsize existing six and eight inch lines along baldwin avenue to address substandard water pressure for fire production address leakage an insufficient clover fire production that's something that breaks off and including yesterday i believe is awesome for old one hundred fifty thousand dollars for that design the fifth is land acquisition  relate booster pump station improvements this would be a land appraisal i'm sorry the land appraisal was previously finished and this project we are estimating land acquisition to be about one hundred thousand dollars so you have your assessment done on the acquisition yes an appraisal appraisal as previously been completed so this project is necessary as part of a country improvements of our booster pump station system as we get more water at a lower level to try to get it to users at a higher level so if it's part of the distribution system necessary to move forward with the meter list even if we have water is at a lower elevation if you get it to the people so this is part of that ongoing project of pump station booster pump so the installation of this is estimated  component of this overall project sheet is design improvements to the water system served by the open water tank and i cood to address low pressure and adequate storage for fire protection and that is one hundred thousand dollars for a preliminary engineer for bed shrimp yes that is the bad shrimp water tank and that is just you know i i had heard when i wen people around those sites call them it's what our staff calls them and so a lot of these names just get carried on although they're not our preferred names if we change the name nobody knows what we're talking about so i heard that comment earlier and i know we're all we're all sort of stuck with some of these names that have been in the common language for a very long time you know we understand there are two and for so many it's a historical description of something that occurred previously so replacement of those requirements we are planning on starting that with the treatment plant project where we are that project is bid with it's it's based it is based on manufacturing chlorine at the site and that would be i don't think anyone's going to manufacture gas chlorine at the site what you do is you use salts and you manufacture liquid chlorine basically a very strong version of clorox but i don't know that anyone would try to manufacture gas chlorine at the site so we are going to most likely install that system with our new treatment plant water only has chlorine at their treatment plants we have a gas chlorine at treatment plants and also added well sites so we have a lot more places than they do the movement from gas chlorine to something else would take  much much much longer and at this time we don't think it's realistic to move our treatment plants which are large gas korean users to manufacture liquid chlorine so we i think we're still probably going to be committed to gas for some time to combat the majority of our facilities to address substandard water pressure for fire protection you're just doing the designing who would be paying for that being for the actual installation that would be a future department of water supply project so if that's the case how come where you don't want to do the one for the we have a testifier here this morning about a few feet six inches going to an eight inch line especially for an affordable housing project why wouldn't we do that we would like to do all of them if you added them all up there would almost certainly be hundreds of hundreds of miles literally hundreds of miles we this this component we've  think our third year in a row we've we've put this in our budget we recognize that the community wants us to upgrade these smaller lines when they come in like the test fire came in this morning which i happened to get to see and i was familiar with that situation already people want us to have those lines big enough for whatever their zoning allows we recognize that we would like to do more and more of that we can't do it all there's literally like i said hundreds of miles so we've identified projects we think where this is just the biggest bang for the buck and that something like a town where we know it's undersize there is a lot of users in a very relatively short space i near a fire station meaning that the fire department would probably get there before it all burned down the buildings are very close together where a fire in one would just spread quickly it's very old construction so we would like to put in lines everywhere these older denser near fire station places worth we think you can get a really big bang for the buck we think that's the best place to start if the council felt that there was some specific location that is the priority of the council you know we wouldn't you know we wouldn't say that's a bad thing just how much do we want to do how much funding is there so that would be i think you just pointed the ball into our court i think and again i can appreciate that there are a predicament because it's pretty much our same predicament is more chair for number two design spillway improvements for the six raw water reservoirs spillways is the water coming actually speaking to your exit our newest engineer about how to explain it what i came up with is this remember i don't when i was a kid in our old bathtub there was a little drain just below the lip of the tub so if it got too full it would no overflow the top  it home does not have that anymore so if you don't turn it off in time it overflows onto the floor a spillway is that little hole that's lower than the lip of the down so if it gets too full it won't over top the down it has to be sized based on how much water is coming in to make sure that the water coming in can't overtop the down when the dam over tops i mean if this is the dam of the waters on my side and it over tops eats away the soil in the front end it can cause the whole thing to collapse i think that's what happened i'm quite easy when lives were lost and i can tell you from my experience about seven years ago that's what happened to the two million gallon raw sewage reservoir at the col louis wastewater treatment plant that i recalled about at two thirty in the morning and that happened the dam breached and two million gallons of raw sewage ran out into the ocean so making sure that your spillway on the front end of the dam can handle your flow and it doesn't overflow the top is a huge safety and environmental protection turning that gas korean into bleach which is then caught in another containment vessel so it's all come to it's automated and even if no one is there and there's a gas korean leak it contains it turns it into bleach the bleach ends up in tanks which is contained ok ok very good because as we know it can be quite accurate and those systems i mean we have some of those systems already wastewater has one of each of their facilities so the county of maui how's wide experience with these this is just one location that for whatever reason it was never installed the that collects the water before it reaches the that since i'm sure you know below the water surface it it's i think would be analogous to that it's supposed to catch the water and drain it before it overflows the top and it has to be designed the standards are we have to do a hydrology study to see how much water might be coming in those are being done now the councils previously funded that so those are being done now will know what the volumes are and based on those volumes then we have to do these structural designs and then the construction to actually implement them on to the dam faces you need to do each were given there to approve your permits yes this is all all of this started from the original deal on our dam safety inspection reports and we are in a compliance situation with those where we have to report on what our status is get appropriate permits etc to go to any of the questions in this area are next project is c b s one zero seven six on page nine zero one this is one million dollars for countywide conservation program our anticipated projects for this are one hundred percent leak repair as we've shown water resources committee recently we've initiated a leak detection program most of you've probably seen the truck driving around and we are finding many many more leaks then we can address we have previously put a project out to be do just our first bunch of them are at this point where we're still tallying and recording where we're finding leaks think we have money and we have money appropriation they've been all over we were not we're not sending them places by geography we're trying to hit things by the likelihood of leaks likelihood of leaks is old pipe  high pressure pipe and places where we're likely to find the leaks based on the material and the way the acoustical sensing equipment works so they've been all over following those parameters are where we are likely to find them  oh well yours questions members of this requests august or september as we see what we found for this year we certainly have a million dollars worth of work so we're going to wait to see do we find anything bigger what we are a little afraid to do is pull we found out to bid and then find bigger things next project please or next project is c b s one one zero six on page nine zero two this is upcountry reliable capacity we're trying to use the term reliable capacity rather than source because it's more general and it basically means more water that we can serve to more people whether that's a source of direct source or that something that removes a bottleneck and is able to get more people water so in this case f y seventeen we're crossing four point seven million dollars there are three anticipated jobs the first is an exploratory well we're calling it to the design is underway this would be the actual drilling of the well at the kellogg the second would be the design of the facility for pole color contingent upon the results of the first step being done well so the first up two and a half million dollars the second one two hundred thousand dollars and the third is construction of the nation system on the lower chemo system that would allow us to change the disinfection of the upper part of the upcountry system so we can juggle water more effectively and basically balance the peaks and that would have a significant impact the flushing is really about lines that are small sort of dead end lines and i think regardless of the disinfection it's probably likely to be very is these east maui in a stream flow standards hearings about how much water is allocated to whom for what purpose that's really the source of that of the water for any ag park expansion o  cross to appropriate parata payments by those that connect to improve the system so if you have recommendations on how to ensure making that happen we're open to want to do expansion of water resources unless of course it makes sense the you can convince us let them go first because they are ahead of our schedule because they're private they have t developer it's something i think that the county should show some leadership in moving certain things for especially for community general infrastructure requirements an with that next product any other questions for this four point seven million mr director next requests mr chair the next c b s one one zero two on page nine zero three central reliable capacity so similar up country but for central maui the big project in central maui right now is the treatment plant upgrade which was funded last year at fifteen million dollars we have the  closer to twenty million dollars there is a pending budget amendment for the other five million dollars in f i sixteen so that's the big source development project in some trauma so if i seventeen  we only have one component and that is land acquisition and design for a new water tank near the existing the high heights water tank in north so this is malka of the highway right at the entrance to north korea this would do a couple of things it would solve our pressure problems plus provide storage for some projects that have recently been in a by the council area this is something where originally we were pushing the developers to build water and because there's a two different of ella pers plus we have needs we think the best thing to do is have us build the project as a c f p project they will pay their fair share in their water system development fees yesterday during rate fees we talked about those appropriate components of source transmission and storage so what we were originally thinking is that they would build us a tank and not pay the storage component but instead we'll build the tank we'll charge them that storage component and recoup that money that way because little complicated for people that don't do this day to day but either way they're paying and it matter in so this way we're leading the see if you project taking their share rather than vice versa and in this case because of timelines we think that's best questions the thought is how come nothing in twenty eight is going to take that long to give that land you think a year to get the land ye if you look at the i think this probably goes for most major infrastructure projects countywide we look at the procurement process of consultants we have the money on july first we have to go out through a process hire consultants we usually have signed consultant contracts in the fall so that's when they start you know sometimes even later and so we're just not ready by july first of the next year we're not ready for budget the next year we don't even have plans we don't have an of thing so skipping a year between design and construction for any project of any significant complexity tends to work as of the time it takes for procurement so the question i have is some of these places are scheduled to open up  y twenty eighteen and it looks like it's going to be two more years if not three before you get the thing built after the twenty eighteen we will get it built as quickly as we can i don't i can address why how will affect different parts of which project but i think developers come in all the time we have their own time schedules of when they want to open especially when they have infrastructure requirements they can't meet those that is always something that we try to work with them on and it's our responsibility the infrastructure just quickly as we can ok thank you thank you for the christian so where are we in the sions of the land or have you already done your assessment report requirements i don't believe there has been any outside work done other than interior finding a suitable location i don't think we've contacted landowners or done an appraisal yet the key component is the two hundred thousand to get that screwed away that is correct because once we figure out the land then we can design to we know the land right and i appreciate your questions about the projects but that is part of why the department puts their comments accordingly when you come in and we'll let you know because it's a fluid situation so i appreciate that and i appreciate your question mr koch thank you mr one more on that would it be i know we had   and we're just waiting for the particular process everything would be better to do a friendly condemnation quicker because the minute we say ok we're going to do it it has to go through council and it's now they're worried about is the price after  that my understanding is condemnation also has to go through the council but that's right it only will go through here but once we do the resolution it's our land and you can continue you can carry on if it's friendly it would be a friendly one i'm not familiar enough with the  most of these transactions don't actually go to a form of condemnation a letter is written using the threat of condemnation and and the appraisal is prepared and that's usually enough to generate  it would cut a year off the thing in my but in a way that's just a thought we'll let the department invest the which option in how they want to move forward with appropriate advice from corporations  any other question is regarding the four twenty five for this reliable capacity requests members director that's good your next project please thank you mr sharon next projects is our last on the final project s one zero nine two on page nine zero four west maui reliable capacity fits the same generalized definition of other areas reliable capacity in this component were asking for thirteen million dollars for a single  single job and that is construction of the me he know well one facility and related transmission improvements is something that is come up at least last year or the year before and in budget and finance certainly water resources committee we drilled a well at about fourteen hundred foot elevation and we expected to get a million gallons a day out of that well so we tested it and tested it and drilled a little deeper and retested it and we're only getting about three quarters of that so we've been we struggled a little bit about you know should we develop it or should we call it a dotted move on so we've crunched a lot of numbers and decided it is worth going ahead with based on the water we can get our needs likely costs the cost we already s the well that's already being cited and explored near it that we could share infrastructure we ran some numbers and said if it was worth doing a one million gallon well for thirteen million it's also worth doing a seven hundred fifty thousand gallons a day well for one million it doesn't affect the twenty five year cost per thousand gallons more than about fifteen percent so since it's still better than our next option of just giving up on this hole we dug in starting over it's still worth going ahead with and i want to mention that if the next well produces the infrastructure rebuilding as part of this project maybe clear the holes already there this funding will connect the pipe the power but the pump in develop the site if the other site is also developed that will connect to despite being so we get double double duty for this work we're doing now we would have to do that again because when you put all of those together we did a long term cost benefit analysis it's still worth going ahead so we think based on the water needs for west mali this is still a worthwhile project for the department seem you're going to we're now into supreme three fourths of what we had originally x or expectations were so we're down from one million to seven hundred fifty thousand that is correct question i think the chair well and that's a great status update on this one because last sounded like we're just going to give up we thought we had some men let's move on so i'm glad that we can thirteen for this year and then another five is that for the that other well year you spoke about where that's just the continued infrastructure needed to utilise this well i think you the former the first thing you said is correct this thirteen million will put this well on line ok and the five million in f y eighteen would put as long as we get a good will but the other well in line so that would finish this and we have both those wells let's call it an extra one point seven five million gallons a day for a total of eighteen million dollars and this would be this section would be completely ok getting water all the way down into the lot line a town itself he yes the west maui system i was just checking with the engineers about this just right after lunch before i came to verify it we have the ability to move water from the northern side from the appeal the side of the system all the way to the town site so this water serves everything there's some elevation points just below a line to treatment plant that maybe this water could get to but from a along the highway standpoint this water can come all the way to pool so essentially it helps the entire system not just that localized portion ok and so what's the guesstimation then for all this infrastructure to go to kick this on line and to provide service within the year or it's it was put out to bid once before so we're ready to go out to bid you know what we would usually do is if this passes out of committee we probably just start moving to put out a bid assuming it will pass first and second reading if it didn't you know we obviously would next issue the contractor we get a jump on it it's ready to go to bid so if you are we open bids in july august have a signed contract a couple months later start qantas construction a couple months after that and so you're probably talking about starting construction towards the end of the year even if it's a one year project somewhere i would guess the end of calendar seventeen i would think i think that's realistic ok all right just to get a timeline all right thank you tha members on this project send us the aerial please director of this project site shows where the well one is  we can appreciate your comments we've been happy to do that thank you and just for some geography the meaning of a treatment plant and the waste water large old reduced water reservoirs are at elevation seven hundred feet right above the airport these wells are up at about elevation fourteen hundred feet above them so just for your you know idea of where to folks unfortunately but i would you know mr shark i can i make a link to something that d m talked about when they were here in this area because this committee how does caution with g m earlier today about this study of direct potable reuse ok and that's for the west side so if that goes forward we've been working with them on that about needs and we will continue to work with them on that if that were to move forward that would probably displace the need for projects like this so in the future if something like that were build these would probably be only use back out because those systems would be at a lower elevation would probably be less expensive to operate and if we built those systems i assume we'll be doing it because there was a disposal problem with the wastewater effluent that was wanting to be dealt with and so that would be a priority over pumping so i just do want to you know in full disclosure point out that you probably don't need both that project and this project but at this time there is no certainty of their project and so we are still moving at because i don't think we can afford to wait to see if that pans out or not but i did want to for the questions members on this request i think we've completed department of water c a p requests director deputy any additional comments you wish to share her before we no i don't doubt at this time ok thank you very much gentlemen for your assistance in responding to the committee's requests and questions members we have thank you so much we have caught up quite a center this evening so we look forward to the residents in that district to assure the bus with us there be no further bill so this committee we are mr coach puts on a schedule for monday morning or you haven't scheduled that