only if we can get the attention of our esteemed staff person over here six there is a number of items on the agenda for tonight we are going to switch around the order just a little bit and we're going to start with a certificate of appropriateness which is  vermont right welcome mat day this is an application for a certificate to pro create this is the applicant has also applied for administrative permit from staff for the restoration and replacement steeple at the wilson federated church forty four north western road or more commonly known as the intersection of northwestern road and wilson road the applicant's proposal is to reconstruct some of the lower portion of the steeple on site and replace the upper portion of the steeple with a new reconstructed replica of what's there this project was reviewed by the historic and architectural advisory  committee on january twenty ninth and in a return trip on february fifth to discuss the details of that application i'll let the applicants drive a little bit about structurally what that replacement steeple is made of and looks like but some of the hacks concerned with this project is that there are some new materials replacement materials and that a significant amount of the wood on th proposed to be clad in copper that has been proposed to be electrostatically painted white so there's a material change there most of what's up there now is wooden some of what is up there will be wood clad in white painted  reasoning the outcomes given for that and that the hack agreed with is is weatherproofing surfaces that are exposed to wind and rain and an attempt to make this replacement steepled last longer than the prior restoration work that said the reason the hack asked the applicant to return for second audience with them was to clarify some details via a really extensive set of shop drawings to the steeplejack is prepared showing how the architectural details on the steeple will be very in my opinion carefully replicated by the applicants so the drawings that i have rolled up in front of me were not in your packet because i read them through the scanner and it generated a file too big for my computer to handle so i'm taking them back to do that again but the preliminary work that's been done has been to take down fairly exacting dimensions of all of the various features of that steeple so that it can be replicated constructed off site brought and swapped out for the existing one and the after reviewing the details of the project made the recommendation that a certificate appropriateness be issued with materials design and location of materials as specified by the applicant and that these drawings as well as any as built documentation and ongoing documentation of the restoration be contemporary material at least one member said well what if the guy down the street wants to vinyl side his historic house and in the discussion we had with the board the applicant there are some really fundamental differences with you know vinyl siding a historic house and doing what the church is doing here vinyl siding a house doesn't return retain all of those dimensions and architectural features and other things it tends to cover it up this is this is a much truer attempt to replicate those so with extensive documentation on file with the town and the other can proceed in as proposed the hack is recommending a certificate of appropriateness to be issued by the d m v great thanks would you like to add to that that much except that this is a  but we want to do it for the same reasons they did the maintenance of wood up in the air and from ott is just really really hard and expensive the proposal is any place that sort of is like a roof like the  not the flat all the flat part of a vertical part of the steeple would be clad in copper in such a way that the the detail that is there will be maintained the pieces of the steeple which are underneath the beginning where the are a web site it's people dot org you can see the spit and we're going to add more stuff because it's fascinating i love being over there watching they have a big granite shed they do it on a spit they rotate it when they want to work and they were in the dry and warm and they can work like true they electoral played it i don't know the details of how they make it stick but they do there's a specific process they follow if you if it happens on a wednesday if you were there on tuesday back on thursday it would look exactly the same you wouldn't be able to go in difference except on thursday would be clean white and on tuesday it would look really crummy like it looks now but the deal table would all be there i don't believe that especially from the ground you'd be able to tell the difference and i think even up close you would be hard pressed to tell the copper work that johns who's the man who does their copper does as is is just superb very it's the life of painted copper before has to be repainted doing it doesn't get struck or something we're having conversations about there are probably fifty years at least it's more likely to  it's it's more likely to be the color of his light more likely to be yellow or something like that rather than coming off does that make sense to me maybe the hard for me to imagine with paints these days they tend not to yellow so i wouldn't expect that to happen but it would be probably fifty years before we could do something significant again with it being metal instead of what is it going to be more likely to attract lightning mayor call that a public hearing was held on january the ninth and as part of that process the board decided that the idea would be continued in order for the applicant to submit revised plans staff was going to get a legal opinion on the a pluck ability of and the covenants of the homeowners association as well as get some additional information so the applicant did submit a set of revised plans however public works sending out the plan set to their outside consultant because of the complexity of the public utilities and we just learned last week that there were some key information like all the stormwater calculations had not been provided by the consultant so i informed him ben avery needless to say he was really pleased about that but it also meant that public works was going to be able to get their review completed by their outside consultant so we would not be able to get the comments from the public works department  we informed the applicant that we would continue until at least march the thirteenth assuming we get all the information we also informed all the people who had come to the previous public hearing by email as well as they were to notices in front porch form some of you may have seen that the northridge application was going to be taken up tonight so we reached out to everybody to make sure that they knew what was was going on so our recommendation is that this item be ok all right ok so then again let the record show that d p seventeen dash zero one will be continued to march third ok back to the top and we're going bring the hearing to order at seven eighteen existing master signed plan at three twenty harvest late in the taft corners zoning districts and doubtful provisions or lumber liquidators or formerly goodwill building the athlete is proposing to add new signage to the site the approval of a master signed plan by the development review board with some special findings related to those signs compatibility with the byelaw and the purpose and intent of the town's comprehensive  that said the project this site has a lengthy permit approval history bating dating back to one nine hundred eighty eight in the original flight plan or it was a master signed plan approved in two thousand and nine and we didn't really were not able to find evidence that final plans were submitted on that side plan but generally signed development on the site proceeded in accordance with the d or b s approval  and most recently we have approved administratively the interior changes and change of use necessary to locate resource there resource has some sign needs and a desire to change things up on the si sufficient to trigger a request for a new master sign plan it's also a chance for the d or b to make a clean approval and for us to process a set of final plans so that will be good for us going forward so you can the table of all of the proposed signs these include wall freestanding banner portable and window signs for total three hundred eighteen square feet there is also a public art installation proposed as part of this master sign which pursuant to debbie to be twenty five eleven needs to be reviewed by the d o b as well hence the models you see on the table in front of you i think if i'm if i'm reading that correctly so again it will list in your master signed plan allows broad flexibility in terms of the size and locations of individual signs in the number of signs you can have more than one wall sign you can have more than one free standing side they can be larger than the sizes allowed in table twenty five a but totalled up altogether the area of your signs cannot exceed eight percent of the area of the street facing facade of the building so the staff has prepared a street facing facade calculation five thousand one hundred eighty and one half their feet eighty percent of that is four hundred fourteen square feet and the album is proposing two hundred twenty three square feet of signage so that number i will know is a little smaller than the street facing facade number the applicant submitted staff made a tighter calculation of that street facing building elevation attempting to finally there are some signs like i said there are larger including a wall sign before thirty two square feet which is larger than twenty four and again  the other recommendations staff is making related to signage is that some further specifications on signing lighting be provided by the applicant swill list and does not allow internal lumination and only allows fully shielded down want to warn you about that ahead of time so if you could  mad gave us all the rundown what would you like to add to matt's opening statement just a bill quickly resources a nonprofit organization that has people may no community coming together and about art in creating fun you know we want our location to be fun people come to us for good but they also come for job training to get skills that they can go on to get work get and become employed location for a significant sculpture that would rotate would change periodically and we would give new artists a chance to showcase the work and then that would be made out of salvage reusable recycled material and then i could change over time and so the idea is this is the first one that we would put there but we would hope to have chances for other artists to demonstrate and showcase their their work so that in let me just ask staff a question here they're bringing what somebody says is going to be public art is really a bob's big boy by jabil or a giant red lobster and in in reviewing any sort of site features including other things like architectural features like on names or taishan on buildings what with this board's done in the past is looks to see that there weren't any elements of you know corporate logo or identifiable you know sort we have to call them signs we have to calculate it in this way so there is a limit to how the board wants to handle the changing out of our i don't think that's we've we've sure that they're not self promoting is probably all we probably all we probably need to do we're all qualified to judge active but that's right how often would you anticipate rotating was a new it's a new concept  and then someone will see it and we can connect the buyer and then we get the chance to have some new art and i think it keeps stuff fresh it makes it exciting dancy a question this is a big heavy insulation and there aren't that many people who are going to be moved by big heavy installations of art and if they did part of our arrangement is that we were going to have to contract  an agreement with a new artist to replace it because we don't want an empty space on that concrete pad so i can't imagine changing it out more than once a year is sort of what i've been imagining but you know maybe i'd like to say you know not committed you know let's say six months would be sort of my minimum and you know i'm not sure there's a maximum you know this could become a permanent installation  but i don't think so i mean i think we'd like to keep it fresh and change it around  have loved to have that be led by a helper face seen three upper facing lights and now you know i talk to can and realize that that's you know something that's not allowed now this being a piece of art i'm not sure if there's some lights are prohibited under our under our by law correct so so that's kind of out how about an upward facing like with like a diffuser on it or something that blocks the you know both a shield and tom and that's where the idea of you know something like a christmas light and i'm not sure how you have the artist was going to incorporate that but you know that would be something you know obviously like very low light levels you know wouldn't contribute to light pollution but  would kind of add to this sculptural you know it would kind of it would eat during during the evening it would be you would think it was going to be permanently lit would probably want to if it was over a bunch of lights whole bunch of whites i e exempts holiday lighting and you know the danger is always well it would look really good on and on this piece of sculpture and then the next thing you know we've got you know somebody down the street who sells whatever harvest equipment maybe decides that they're going to permanently decorate the john deere tractors with think of is there's a there's a maximum site there's a site wide maximum for what's called unshielded light but that's really intended for you know the beside the front door carriage lamp where you can see the element inside it's it's not meant haven't thought of that i mean you know i think one of the one of the challenges is that we're trying to get approval for something that would change over time and then each i think are going to have to be somewhat individually plan we wanted to be i mean i want you know we appreciate why did the downward light is important and from the artist perspective they're saying this would be really be the way it would show best and we're so i don't i don't i don't know what but i think that's a good suggestion i think we certainly i think what's most important is the chance to have a sculpture and if if we could maybe continue to work on the lighting and try to work with the artist and maybe if we were going to deal with the lighting after the fact i think that would be ok as well because some of that you know maybe we could explore something where you know you know there's almost if there's a servo a cloud above it w downward facing light maybe that would work i think one of the challenges from the our art is that is that your light shining up then bounces back down and reflects off the item itself but you might be right if we could down shade there's some sort of reflective material on the base that that might give it some general nation i think that i think that we don't need to figure it out tonight i think that it's going to you know as you said it's going to change with the installation and you're just going to have to fake make sure that it up it complies with the ordinance as the ordinances you know is written it just means that in just another just a question on you know what the twelve feet high looks like it's less than twelve feet from the edge of the driveway and just took a chair if there's like it's probably after the engineers of there's a steady wind or something it might blow it onto the driveway so you might want to set it back far building materials will go indoors in wilson because we can't at this site have outdoor i would add that we had a number of staff at a number of discussions with resource when they were exploring the site for they made a decision locate and the topic of outdoor story which was what starr really asked and answered them so i'm assuming that the the red color is not just in honor of tomorrow's holiday but you're proposing this be read like a artist says that he's thinking this is all up for negotiation but he would like it to the straight forward so we read the approval conditions there was a small discrepancy about how the facade area was calculated and i agree with matt's calculation ours that i submitted actually included a portion of the roof line as you mentioned so when i looked at max max calculation we agree with that so we're under what's allowed and seems like a pretty straightforward application just princes of property and compliance and allows resource  four or five new signs most most of those are window science so they're hoping to open in march and i think will will i think about the lighting but  and lumber liquidators so that was the one side that mentioned that large of the twenty four square feet that sign was approved back in two thousand nine hundred slightly different master signer the lation but he really can see if i was lying  pre application where they did adopt some recommendations afaik hearing my staff report does review those recommendations and the applicant's response to them so briefly there were some comments made by the fire department the op has responded to those and obtain further comment from the fire department same or all there are new comments related to the discretionary permit the  required by the d m v pre application to provide a traffic study they have done so it's discussed further down in this report the upton was asked by the d m v to provide shared parking calculations and has done so and that's part of our court as well the there was a recommendation about site wide compliance with the us and development by a law that's certainly something we aim for and reviewing a project of this scale in the outlands provided numerous pieces of information and revisions the site plan in the attempt to comply the final recommendation the board made at pre application is probably the biggest one states the board is concerned with amassing in visual impact of this building from the street the board requests the applicant show how this building fits into the context including options such as siting the building parallel with lowest road stepping it back to the street or incorporating the top or into a st roof the applicant's proposal which is in your packets in front of you tonight is still four sensually a fifty two foot high building the output has worked on the extreme materials window arrangement roo line and minor changes to the footprint in a effort to address the concerns and i would anticipate that a lot of that will be up for discussion with the board tonight with those responses look like and how the board sees them is going to accommodate at least thirty percent of its projected parking demand in a structure underneath the building doing so under the provisions of the business park zoning district in willesden does allow for a tight incentive over the normal thirty six foot height limit up to a maximum of fifty two feet above average british grade and that's about where the outfit is proposing to land with the building height show yappin is also proposing site work be on the building to make changes to the parking vehicle circulation pedestrian walkway and green spaces on the site there's a higher level of detail required when an applicant comes in with discretionary permit so there's a number of elements of this report looking at some of those pieces of the buy a lot of the applicant has to address at this stage or a review the first one is outdoor lighting and of prepared comparison of the applicants lighting plan to the town's lighting requirements and find compliance on all aspects that includes the brightest single point on the site the total amount of light on the site the average amount of light in areas to be lit on the site as well as the uniformity of areas to be list so in all of those aspects the outlines lighting planned does comply with the standards of the wilson development bylaws setbacks and landscaping that on this site are predominantly controlled by the town's landscape buffer acquirements in chapter twenty three there are a number of buffers of different weights and configurations available where we have a retail service commercial use like a hotel that is adjacent to a bunch of other retail service commercial uses as well as to public rights of way wilson wrote and where park road the applicant is choosing where the project abuts another business to go with a type three informal plantings buffer nine feet in width which is allowed by the by a lot and shown on the outputs landscaping planned this would be the buffer between the proposed building the other side to this or side of the law out front on blair park road and the remaining side rails all those cases street trees or one major tree approximately every thirty or forty feet is either in existence or proposed in compliance with the street from the requirements in after twenty three and chapter twenty  asked the landscaping requirements there are also parking lot landscaping requirements the main requirement here is that a minimum of five percent of the parking lot area be provided as landscape islands  landscape islands posed to be added to the reconfigure parking lot in compliance with that standard of already addressed street trees there's no outdoor storage or outdoor display of goods for sale proposed as part of  traffic the derby did require the outcome to suit rafiq study hall and pre application review the output has provided that to the staff and we've provided it to you and that study predicts an added volume of fifty pm peak hour vehicle trip ends to be generated by the site more or less twenty five trips in twenty five trips out williston uses the pm peak the busiest hour between four and six pm on the adjacent public street as  parking adding a hotel to this site does generate demand for additional parking that would mix in with the demand for the office retail and warehouse uses that are already on the site the staff has prepared a calculation of parking demand and found a total required number of parking spaces of one hundred sixty nine the applicant is proposing a total of one hundred thirty two and that's following both a discount for being proximate to transit c c t it does run service up and down williston road as well as the results of some of its shared parking calculations so there's a reduction proposed there by the hour otherwise and looking at  eight handicapped spaces outdoor bicycle spaces long term bicycle spaces and of trip facilities the only thing i noted there is if you start with one sixty nine you come out to ten outdoor bike parking sorry sorry thirteen out there right parking spaces the applicants got ten that does relate favorably to the out of his provided parking of one thirty two if there needs to be three more bike spaces that's a fairly minor ask for the city or to make it so as i said there is a shared parking analysis submitted by the outlook and that would reduce the one hundred sixty nine down to one hundred forty seven eighteen but landing at one hundred thirty two proposed spaces on the site staff recommends that that would comply with the parking requirements as they exist in our bylaw as scott mentioned the  site is proposed to and does house multiple tenants and as such there is a master signed plan and a master sign claim that needs to be amended as part of this application and that's what viewed under a separate staff report with its own conditions in motion for approval we can go over that following this review there is an existing state stormwater on the site which the applicant is proposing to amend as part of the south occasion in terms of water waste water the applicant is proposing to connect to municipal water and sewer service water and sewer connection fees will apply the department of public works has provided what they call a capacity to serve letter for the ninety six room hotel there is  a disconnect in terms of when the town will be in a position to sell the necessary sewer capacity to the south a can in order to move forward with the project so hotels generate a lot of demand for wastewater treatment  and it's likely that the town would not be in a position to sell that kind of capacity to the applicant until beginning of the next fiscal year in july and we had a staff level should this project go get a gain approval from the d r v and of follow final plans we the staff would not be able to issue an administrative permit to proceed with constructing the project until that sewer capacity matter had been dealt with public works  also commented that there's a or some upgrades and made needs to be done to the pump station related to waste water down at the bottom of the hill where park that would also you'd be resolved to their satisfaction before we could proceed with permitting how was that was that this july over or next july you said coming july so so the first day of fiscal nineteen will be july first of two thousand and eighteen and that's when sewer capacity turns over and that's assuming that when the select board assesses what's remaining for sewer capacity in the system and what they wish to make available for the various different users in the coming year or lines with something that could be sold to this outlook and at that time so real briefly the select court essentially has a wastewater treatment budget called attachment a to the sewer allocation ordinance they look at that every year in march they look at how much capacity has been allocated how much is in use how much is available to be allocated and they look out over a lengthy time horizon and then decide how much to make available in the upcoming fiscal year so that happens in march related to what will be made available starting on july one so that's sort of outside of this the scope of review but it's another thing that has to happen  did not come up on the previous hotel because there's a there's some allocation for finish crossing as a whole it come up and they got they needed ten thousand gallons a day and they got ten thousand gallons a day under a category called encourage specific development which requires specific select board approval so you know it's not polluted to the slack board ports a certain amount of certain passages in what's called attachment a and that's all that's available for the staff to give out administratively over the next fiscal year so we go year by year and then so whenever it's unusual that we get an outlier like this with the big usage and if there's not enough if there's not enough allocation that's available this fiscal year they would have to wait until the next fiscal year so i didn't call it was a was a because the other first they got the allocation before this to some extent the timing issue going to criteria for staff it is that the hotel if any got allocation because they came in requested so a few other things about the study utilities have been showing signs with the bylaw as well as snow storage areas and there's a recommendation there that landscaping and snow storage areas involve salt tolerant species that can handle plowed over them a few months out of the year there is a place for solid waste hand away are or several places for solid waste handling i e dumpster enclosure shown on the site and those are proposed to be shielded and screen in compliance with the bylaw the project in the business park zoning districts like some of our other tasks corners zoning districts like taft corners and mixed use commercial mixed use residential you don't have the infamous five nine design criteria or the three of a criteria that the board might have some experience with member going through on a project like c v s or town for tire however the business park district is within the town's design review district and so that means that all of the requirements of chapter twenty two need to be met it also means that the project receives a review by the town's historic an architectural advisory committee under those criteria and that that committee makes recommendations to the d r v related to the requirements of chapter twenty two so i've quoted all of those chapter twenty two requirements for you that's a checklist we we use when the hack refused these things and i'll go over some of the specific recommendations they made about the building and the discussion they had back on january twenty ninth so under twenty two three architectural design form color and materials the hack was shown some perspective the context the hack look at the stone element along the base of the building and in coloration they they saw a sample that was a little darker and a little more variegated than they thought might fit in they were recommending trying to go with something that was coherent to the stone element on the actually furniture building just up the hill so if you were to go look at that building you see kind of a gray lightly variegated composition stone application where  they they like that form should follow function building facades reflect who built true building form there's no false fronts or anything like that on this building providing closure in the streets and outdoor spaces like urban parks surrounding buildings are tall enough to provide a sense of enclosure construction of multi story buildings is encouraged back didn't find any need to add recommendations to game compliance they're in similar like the twenty two point three point four size outdoor spaces properly there was no recommendation by the air use a variety of colors and materials but with restraint  a lot of terms there but in general that the building should should use a variety of materials and not be monolithic but not look slapdash or act enough fuel or any conditions necessary on that avoid dead walls so there's an intent here that there shouldn't be big expanses of blank walls with you know no windows no doors no features on them in a hotel this building is proposed with windows on all four sides and doors on several of the sides the hack did recommend that in conversation of the occupant the size of the windows on the street facing elevation which is one of those short sides of the building that those windows be increased in size to the double windows is important under twenty two point four there was no recommendation twenty two point four point one is about marking building entrances using architectural features so that an entrance or a door on a building reads as looks as a door from the street even looking at that us two or williston road facing elevation there is a door with a small roof element over it the hack recommended making that a little more significant and using some support columns down to the ground around that r we have a criterion called protect building entrances basically means that you know if you're going in or out of a major door you're protected from sliding ice and snow and rain  six protection building entrances from conflicts you shouldn't have to walk past the dumpster to get into your room or your apartment none of that is evident on this site principal entrances need to provide airlocks so you go in or you're in some sort of a four year then you go in another this is you know energy efficiency environmental consideration as much as anything the proposal complies with that use doors and windows to provide a strong but compatible visual pattern or rhythm there should be some consistent spacing of windows and doors across the building elevation the hack found no need to add any additional conditions to gain compliance there shield light spill from windows not generally a problem with the levels of interior lighting that most hotels have used pitched roofs the project is proposed with a pitched roof consider sliding ice and snow again entrances are protected from sliding ice and snow by roof elements or dormers use compatible colors forms and materials that hack felt that had been essentially addressed in some of their prior comments related to the materials high roof drains we don't see any visible roof drains on the  structure consider the view from above as a pitched roof building it has a roof on top so even if you could see it from above you wouldn't be seeing a whole lot of you know mechanical equipment or anything like that twenty two point six going forward is all about chapter twenty two in terms of signage the project complies with the town signage rules pertaining to needing a master sign plan and asking for one  and two just references the rest of the bylaw and i think we've been through most of that twenty two point nine point one says respect the terrain buildings parking areas and other side improvements in fifth grade rather the than the land being fit to the building there is a bit of a slow cross this side of the building is proposed to be set into that slope to some degree i would read twenty two point nine one about the train as meaning not  not doing excessive regrading that you don't have to do or really reshaping the site significantly if you don't just build a strong street line appropriate for the area buildings not parking areas should dominate streetscapes in the commercial mixed use zoning districts ample green planting strip and buffer should be provided in the industrial districts the business park district is kind of sort of a mixed use district it's not really an industrial district the building here is pulled right up to the setback a willesden road there is a parking lot element that's also pulled up to williston road along the side of the building expanding the parking that's there today the hacked of not recommend any additional conditions there are no front yard fencing we don't have any front yard fencing fencing in screen should be compatible with the surrounding landscape it uses the additional condition recommended there so all of the recommendations that i  redrafted as conditions twenty one twenty two twenty three and twenty four in the draft conditions of approval of prepared as part of this report we did also ask for and comment from lease fire and public works we did receive comments from the public works and fire and i have conservation commission noted there an area this project was not reviewed by the conservation commission we had no comments from police we did have comments updated from rather from fire and public works in the case of the fire department they enumerated some of the political elements of their plan review standard but were not requesting any big specific changes to the site plan public works also made a request that the proposed sidewalk wrong where park road be straightened out there's a bend in it where it ended also note storm water and race likely need to be upgraded and i assure you that this project moved through approval we would not be issuing a permit without the public works director signature on it signifying the resolution of that and any other ninety six unit hotel proposal you and i are proposing to meet the fifty two foot maximum building height so g four has prepared some building elevations and here to help you get a feel for how the building fits with the scale of the surroundings and what it will look like from from the street view so we can go over those right now yeah let's do that bit darker perhaps recommendations to kind of redesign some of the wood paneling in the middle paint on the middle section because every design now the more you have proportion which is a composite panel as well i pretty much did the same i may just for parking circulation flow and also for future development on the site if you do want to do a future development on this building as if that's location for that as well so right when you concerns concerning the massing of the building as it relates to the street i think we were pretty specific about what we were looking for so maybe you could address that you're like well like i said i guess we need a four story building to make this project work  i guess we could push away from the street all the more but again that's going to interfere with the parking in the parking flow towards the back of this back a lot so i think the board ask you specifically to address that because yeah i think what to address the concern that with the massing on the street architecture created different color and a variation in the building facade that's up against landscaping a little more though the building where it says it kind of fits into the topography that's existing that the site slopes from actually furniture toward the west down toward the post office and by running the building parallel with those contours it just fit better with the existing site than having to have a long flat facade against williston road where you would run into some grading issues toward the applicant this is just a small version of what you folks are seeing in front of you on the boards so i see different colors than the others on here before yes but the orientation of metal siding that's in this twelve second review that you handed out the photos so this is what i just feel yeah that was that was slightly pretty hack so that was an illustration that the architect prepared to s this building elevation in three d photo rendering following the hack we prepared we're working on a draft of something new and we brought copies if you want to look at it tonight you can it just shows the enhanced  covered porch structure that's all right south face of the building the double window pane panels that are on the south face of the building and with slightly different color variation and the stone player  facade and then finally the pitched roof it doesn't doesn't feel like a fifty ft two foot wall when you're standing next to it it sort of steps back from the building and forgive my lack of but again this isn't this isn't the one that we're reviewing tonight but i haven't seen the one that we're reviewing tonight i don't i still even that this had a document still built into so i'm having a since we've been in the hack for you to look at you don't have it yet but you know this could be part of what you're reviewing or you can look at what we submitted prior with the conditions that the hack had recommended you know so there i guess there's two different ways you could do it and i would take stats recommendation generally on a project this size we'd like to have the submission fixed and not where you know we're not here to design it with you you know we'd like you to we'd like you to figure out what you want  pull your submission together get it to the staff let them take a look at it make sure it make sure to meets all of the requirements and then they can distribute it distributed to the board you can hear a little bit of frustration in john's voice because what we were given is not what we're now talking about it's a big project it's a big project and it requires you know a certain it if you if you do have drawings with you or renderings with you we can take a look at them i think we'll probably end up continuing this to the dish it to the next meeting so that you can get your submission together and what we're really talking about it's not like it's not like that's a that's a good way of putting it but we do have our own process that we like to follow whether whether or not you have water relocation is not really within our six by the board out of pre op ordered is concerned with the massing and visual impact of this building from the street the board requests the op can show how this building fits into the context including options such as sighting the building parallel with willesden road stepping it back from the street or incorporating the top floor into a steeper roof again scott you asked whether we're good with having them pass out the the new elevation information i'm finally getting that i'm going to have a hard time really evaluating and i think that in this short time frame what i wanted to always make sure that we've got complete set of new plans though because they are the floor plans changing at all or the window locations of the window sizes changing so if there's any plan changes or sa plan changes i'd like to get all those wants i really don't want to kind of every evaluate this and then find out there's another little change over here the with reevaluated another time i'm a little confused they didn't say they wanted this form follow function here and that i think what i'm looking at here are the exact same windows on the entire building including offices lobby whatnot that are the exact same windows in the hotel rooms and so therefore there's like the exact same amount of glass  the ground floor which is the public for which is the public spaces which frequently i think you see have a lot more glass and might be a way to differentiate that i mean when i look at this i see this is an opportunity in the future to give all those public spaces and put in more rooms if the if the if the rules ever changed enough to allow you to do that and so i look at this building and i couldn't begin to tell you where i think on the planet says there's a great room in here somewhere well i couldn't begin to know where that is on here and that's seems like a good public space that you would want to interact with the outdoor spaces don't see this building catering to anything other than vehicular traffic and i recognize that people staying in hotels drive there but they may want to walk to some of the stores they may want to walk to the movie theater they may want to walk to some of these other places that we're at and yet i see only having to walk past cars and parking lots to get there and you've got this wonderful opportunity with this saw and that's right on route two way right on the multiuse path that enter the building into the fire escape stair and into a hallway that goes past a half a dozen rooms before you get to the wall i view that as a missed opportunity and i don't see it necessarily compatible with the goals i think from a planning standpoint that i understand the town that's my biggest concern here and that's why i keep talking and asking about that i don't know i mean fifty two feet is allowed i don't have any problems with that i think you started to mix the materials nicely here shares far and the letters are too small but by think there's a few things there that small seating area and everything else is that where that will be yeah yeah and i guess i like the chance to go over that to present that to you and what we're what we're thinking for that we can we can do that just hope hold on with cyclists let's let's go around the board anybody paul pre op was the building set back on the south facing wall the south facing wall was narrower than that and the mass of the building is what was proposed at pre op it was it i asked that is i was wondering if that was a design element that was incorporated into this  try to address the massing comma that's why i asked that credit for it yes yes now we were set back a little ways so that we can have that porch that i was talking about would be on the south side op ok because we're looking at one thing we're looking at one thing and so we might as well treat it we mustn't treat it like that instead of instead of a have a d p was you were talking about something you're planning on showing us in the future  my concern on the south wall is that it is a big blank wall and if you are if you are going to put a little porch covering in there with a couple of columns you're going to need to do something it a lot where where we were looking for a more substantial presence from the street so we will be locked in to provide design and but because it's a slippery slope this is a similar situation and i think the border i think the board would like to see and i think the bylaws do require more direct connection rather than a rather than a four storey blank wall you know with a covered deck and the board is going to want to see some but i will i will i will i will i will reiterate also for probably the fifth time now that you need to pay attention to recommendation number six that the board made that should be the bill of the building is going to be cited the way it cited on the lot and i think that having it parallel to route two would be a more imposing structure  maybe we could go through some of the site features tonight instead of what you give us any given to run it i think as of as of right now i think you have heard what the board's concerns are we can run through the rest of the rest of the program  and the rest of your proposal  and i think we should do that but i do think that the salient point here is what we've covered already i think where the you know where concerted we're going to continue this and you're going to probably hear again if you know if you show up to this as well when you go ahead there and walk us across the on the other side of the property on the west side burlington could provide photographs of that that would help but not fenced it's not intended to be fence now it's not it's not deep enough to pose a hazard there's no water in it except when it's raining different species different heights max probably three or four oh that's nice coexistence there with you know providing that's a nice height t so we've addressed be fire department comments by including our hydrant on the site the the parking aisles are wide enough to accommodate the truck turning but they wanted the on the east side of the building next to where you're close to the property line we've got a nine foot or nine foot buffer is that is that a is that a grassy swale down from the property next door it is and the intent there was to capture any runoff coming off the slope from ashley furniture and to route it around the building it's a it's a pretty shallow and shallow swelling parking here on the side so that happens but there's a lot of room remaining in the street from each of this site and there is parking that's proposed to expand toward the street as well  the design review district while it covers this business park district it's a little different in the way it interacts with the standard district than either industrial where it just says grassy swale parking upfront is fine versus makes sense commercial mixes and of course works as we really want the building to be prominent and in some cases pull right up to the sidewalk business park is kind of this middle ground where the way the zoning district was originally conceived the language in the bylaws basically said this is a built out office park and we don't think it's ever going to be much more than that and we've we've drafted some development standards to memorialize it as such one of the amendments the planning commission select board has made to this district since then is to allow for a twenty five foot setback to roads instead of a fifty foot setback which allows the building to be pulled up it also does have the effect of allowing the parking to be pulled closer to the road as well and there's not the same guiding language in this district that you might find deeper into taft corners where we say things like we don't want parking to dominate the visual landscape of the side or or we really want and and really nowhere in our biologically go so far as to say you know x y z percentage of your street frontage has to be building so that's all kind of a long way of saying i don't think there's a standard in the bylaw that this parking expansion as part of this site plan runs afoul of i think if the applicant came to you and there was parking between the new proposed building and the street you could look at chapter twenty two and say well this this really says the building ought to be up in the street in this case it is and you're struggling to some degree as i'm hearing with what that means about how big a building feels from the street and so you know if you step it back which is why we ask what we did you get on a green space right so  you know makes the building feel smaller it does put some it put some space there we don't have a set back that says the building or the parking needs to be any more than twenty five feet off the edge of the right of way of it and i have no idea whether you're privy to this information or not but do you have any information that you could share with the board on what might be proposed for this site i don't know i didn't know if there was any room to change the language in prior to any administrative permits being issued the way the waste water allocation would be approved so i'm going to  to we don't even know if we're going to prove it to you haven't seen the final the conditions could change  and that was that's the only condition that i had questions about other than that all of the public works comments and fire department comments of the program did to find a couple of the other couple things you wanted to cover within the within the building it will be within the new hotel building yes if you've ever given thought yet to bus passes transit passes for seems to be one of the items that always gets forgotten you got it right once we hit march the first meeting in march the thirteenth is potentially available the second meeting is not because the second meeting is growth management so you know that's that's a sort of an issue so it's either going to be march thirteenth or it's going to be april whatever's the first meeting second the second tuesday in april be april the tent  dates the thirteenth for the next year be meeting in february twenty seventh we're going to be doing a mail out on the twenty second which means we need permission in advance of that we just know historically that this doesn't work for coming turning back around two weeks from today just doesn't work so i say the next henschel meeting would be march the thirteenth and then if not then it goes to april  becomes available on the agenda which would we be able to think and sign it's probably it's a combination of a couple of things it's it's your ability to pull the information together i think at this point i think at this point we're going to continue it we're going to continue with table tennis and give you enough that gives you enough time to give stuff enough time last round any other question from the board you know ok i'll leave it i'll leave it with please pay attention to are the board's recommendation number six are there any criteria that we went over that we can consider not being closed and not go through again at the next hearing we may breeze through it but i think you know i think from from a from a from a mechanical standpoint you've done you know you've done the work with you've done the work with all of the different agencies and  departments i was fairly impressed with you know the depth of the submission in terms of everything we got from you know everything we got so you know i think a lot of that you've worked through  just sight plan and there was a question about really where the property line was in relationship to the street and where the trees that are the subject of the review were were they in the public right of way were they not in the public right of way it's cetera so the applicants have submitted a revised plan we have reviewed it the public works department has reviewed it  in the short run one of the good answers is that there are i think it's three trees that are in technically in the right of way and public works to says that they have no objections to those so the applicants are proposing to remove a total of fifteen trees and one i think that was discussed at the first public hearing and we received commentary from the public is that not only was this site plan approved under a previous bylaw but there's a history of there being enhanced landscaping along south bronx road because of the fact that we have residential properties and a church directly across the street from so you know when you look at the that the street plant things that are there it it clearly reflects that you have a you know practically a force there on the north side of the the property along south brownell road i think one of the questions for the board is how many trees should the applicant be allowed to remove to help the outlook and achieve their goal without undermining the intent of the original condition of approval which is to provide buffering to those residential properties across the str request was that they wanted to improve the visibility of their driveway and improve the visibility of their signage so people could find them so that all sort of loads down on the south side of the site the enhanced buffering was really it was required to be on the north end of the site so what that suggests to me that if the board is going to allow some of the trees to be removed it should be some of those trees near the southern and the site that's close to the driveway which would hants the visibility of the driveway and any signage on the building and yet still preserve the enhanced offering for those residential properties across the street so on the site plan there is that dashed line and i think that makes a pretty good point of reference in terms of of what you might think of as the north part of the site vs the south part of the site so that's you know part of our recommendation is that that the board should consider not allowing all those trees to be cut near the northern end of that frontage on south brownell road because of the testimony that we received and the prior intent of the pre of the prior approval which was to provide some buffering to the residential across the street we also had some discussion about landscaping in the parking lot the parking lot is not forming i think the question for the board is whether or not you know that the board is not required to to bring the parking lot up to conformity with the current standards the board may wish to fine that the landscaping that this on the street is sufficient to provide the buffering between the parking and and how it's visible from the street so having said that i'll stop because you're kind of darned if you do and darned if you don't when we meet i say that with a smile on my favorite you take down all the trees then there's no in that we don't see any landscaping in the front if you leave the trees up then we the old thing is that if i'm not mistaken  mentioned that we had to have how many perkins bases but we before we had to conform to you know a you know planting scape or if you want to say or you know a dozen and we don't meet we don't have those perkins i think you do  could review review their requirements if you'd like yeah i'd be very well though the way that the way it goes is any no run in excess of twenty five the way you get a run of twenty five on this side is you have to follow it ninety degrees around the building so we had a we had a staff conversation about you know how that lines up with today's standard in in today's world we've had some some parking configurations proposed like this one where the board sort of looked at it and said gosh you really don't don't like parking that you know head into side as it shows around the corner of that building but what the bylaw was really written for in my opinion in terms of requiring landscape islands was that you had that straight run of twenty four spaces and you needed to do an island before you kept going with another round of spaces so what ken said before i would reiterate the parking as it's configure today and in a couple of dimensions is not conforming to the way our bylaws requires it to be developed today it's conforming to the way it was approved at the time it was approved when the building when the site was developed right there s was approved with dense landscaping for reasons i believe we've got a gentleman in the back and probably lives across the street correct yeah ok so you know it  it sounds like there may be a little it sounds like maybe there's a little wiggle room on the you know in the south and in the south and you know you've asked to take down a whole bunch of trees even with all the trees when you live with even with all the trees that we 've requested to take down it still leaves several trees in the front and maybe not going in that direction and the trees that if we were to get approval to take down the trees were requested still meet the mentioned that if the church across the street probably not going to get we asked for looking to live with when we left here last week or last month it was said to us if we got the approval from zoning or from the public works to have their permission to take down any trees that were in there right away then we would be ok any of the pine trees we discovered were on their side of the right away so we wouldn't need permission to take those if they were in the right away issue i was not said with what would you know if you're not going to get all of them taken down i want to try not to negotiate with you but i'd like to you know i would like to come to a compromise we can live with the north and the clusters down there but everything from the south end at least half way down through that property that's point you haven't you that's what you'd like that is pine tree related i think there's there's three hardwoods there's the three ashes on the from the driveway going north the first one is the says with a blonde and rather in your mind that was what that's how you would articulate your response right here discussing this is the treats going to come out there a tree we got a pool from from public works you know that we can use that everything except for this one thirteenth iraq out of deliberation of ten fifteen we are going to continue d p seventeen dash zero one northridge residential occasion  will be continued until march thirteenth and possibly longer will we are continuing d eighteen dash zero six vermont hotel group l l c until april tenth we are also continuing the master sign planned for the same submission until april tenth and we have a do we have a t p on that that's different  already moved at the wilson development review board having reviewed the application submitted and all accompanying materials including the recommendation of the town staff and the advice reports required to comment on this application the review of the d p eighteen dash thirteen and approved the discretionary permit subject to conditions about this approval or authorizes the applicant to file final plans obtain approval of these plans from sat and then seek administrative permit for the proposed about that which must proceed in strict conformance with plans on which this approval is based in addition we would add the following condition conditions plural south of the sewer line they may remove soft wood trees may remove the southernmost ash tree and kind tree in the public right of way as approved by public or north of the sewer line they may remove any two soft wood trees if they are choosing and in addition the crab apple tree south of the