won't be sticking around for that sorry although i'm very interested in what you don't like that ok money start really i'm a sergeant with the pennsylvania state police been on the job for about twenty six years now spends a majority of my career highways and now tickets all day long and it is just a very very small percentage of what we do statewide we have credible vesta gaiters we have far more schools we have bomb dogs we have drug work we have an array or a full service police department we cover about eighty three percent of the commonwealth all the jurisdictions that don't have a full time police department we cover those areas we also assist in with those who do have full time police departments specifically today i'll show you a couple slides what we do and how we're trying to address not just the heroin epidemic but narcotics in general still a problem whether it's marijuana cocaine crack heroin everything is still an issue some of the things we do and then strategically placed in six different locations throughout the commonwealth just to get in there a little bit this is where it starts for those of you haven't seen it maybe you have seen it seen on the news and starts with the poppies and the poppy fields and eventually ends up in some form of power when it gets to the streets it can be pressed it can be heated up into a liquid it can be ingested in many different ways a lot of people wh about heroin they think of it just is a needle being put in your arm it changes every day it's tough for us to keep up with it but it can come in paper form it can come in a stamp suppressed like pill form there's many different society whether it's e m s doctors there's a lot of different pills out there i just threw this out there just to show you a couple different things we teach this normally and our interdiction training we do it's a week long class so you're going to get a really condensed watered down version today just as there is the numbers out there in two thousand and sixteen there was four thousand six hundred forty two over those in pennsylvania that's what we know about reporting is not one hundred percent just insiders who do use them and this is war so you know you know a lot of doctors in the u s personnel pick up on this right away because they see it but if you're teachers and clergy and so forth there's a lot of different signs that are out here the somebody is not being normal they need to be looked at and it's not just your common cold anymore you've got to get as a as a parent as a concerned citizen you have to look at it a little more than just somebody that says they have the flu you know they've had the flu for what nine weeks now that's a little long for the flu you need to get checked  out and again this is a lot of this is not really intended for today's conversation but a lot of these cutting agents and everything you need can be bought it you know you're right if you c v s for wall marks and not to get into the production of meth but everything you need to make meth you can buy at wal mart k mart target wherever just different slavic love here this affects everybody it doesn't matter where you live what development you live in what neighborhood you live in you know whether it's in you know the worst section of philadelphia or the nice section philadelphia affects everybody synthetic opioid we get into talking about that fennel and you see all the different names up there fennel harf and on everything like this this changes every day this is why we can't keep up with these names there's different  this around so if you guys want to say it when heroin comes in federal comes it comes in bags or stamps and it's with usually that indicates who the dealer is or what cartel it's coming from or whatever their marking may be we keep a database on this this changes all the time the same effect when it comes out and there's so much of it that we can't keep up with but fentanyl is so dangerous i mean fennel just for people that have stage four cancer is a patch that you wear on your arm it's not something you should be readily just ingesting for kicks but unfortunately because of the high you get from it and what it does to you when people get hooked on heroin phenol they've got to have it they've got to have it right back just a couple other stats this is just the pennsylvania and this is the kids that we have to carry now every law enforcement officer in pennsylvania now and they're all here master carrying some sort of dark and kit these are issued per capita so that every trooper has one or at least in the car the debtor bridge driving for that shift has one of these kids in it get a lot of this for training people have questions about where is all this heroin come from where does all the spend of there is and then to show you all different directions and you see detroit and you see the southwest border there's no rhyme or reason to it anymore there's so much that crisscross the state anymore it's unbelievable there was a time back like from all this job that if you when harold has just come on the scene if you you know seized ten or fifteen bags of heroin from somebody it was a pretty significant seizure and not to say that if one of my guys would get detonated that's still not a good seizure it is don't get me wrong but now these seizures today are we're talking you know thousands of bags and i want to show you brings fugitives from justice things like that everything we're looking up criminals are most vulnerable when they're near transit state or net position when they're traversing throughout not only this commonwealth but the country and so that's why a lot of states trooper travis martin and they've long conducted a traffic stop and they've got about four thousand bags of heroin give or take a few and they rescued four girls that were being human traffic from pittsburgh in ohio and the guy  well there's whether it's trafficking narcotics or individuals it's all about training and it's all about our connections you know not everything is just a tip sometimes we get leads when sometimes it's about it's about the questions reaction or what their reaction to the way big i'm asking this person question that this person is answering all of those kids and they look away from me and i ask them a question specifically that they want to answer because they've been told not to answer those questions so there's some especially human trafficking some very intense training that goes on because there's everything everything we do is based on the indicators you know there's you know we're with it's a tough side of who live in we see everything that's going on right now in the and just society itself profiling everything like that but in criminal interdiction it's based on the indicators doesn't matter who you are what you are it's what we see what we smell what we hear it see answers to our questions so you can you can see that you know we we stopped for this reason or that reason but we stopped for a traffic violation and we took our investigation a little further because of what we heard what we saw what we smelled out there was regulations they've leased by the constitution of the commonwealth the united states and and the laws that are out there and how we operate and you know when that's how we defend ourselves out there this just shows again this is one of my units it just shows some of the equipment that we carry out there incredible energy nation these guys in my unit are so good we have enough tools they can actually take your car par mean these are just some heroin seizure numbers you can see how the numbers of who are up and down this is just a two thousand fifteen sometimes we're behind in our numbers and it's hard to get real good of real time data all the time because you've collected it for so long like two thousand and sixteen just got done two thousand and seventeen obviously still coming in so it's hard to keep the data up to date all the time these are just some things that we look for again this is for training or notifications us a question about how do we know about this we share information a lot of trends in the drug world and human trafficking ruin the criminal world things trend just like clothes do and everything else you know these certain car certain carriers certain shippers do they prefer a volkswagen jetta over a b m w three twenty five something like that does one seconds or does a pickup truck have more vacant space in the body itself you know a chevy versus a ford things like that so there's different things that we look for and then in this particular case this was a lexus  x three hundred i believe and there is a hidden compartment that they've built in behind the rear seats down in the wall basically between the cargo area and the back seats down in the floor which was electronically controlled and held about three hundred thousand it was a little bit of both so let me answer your first question so human trafficking is basically somebody who's being held against their own will to do something that they don't want to do or being taken somewhere where they don't want to be they maybe do for money they may be doing it for just the love and compassion they have attention from somebody or a combination of all that there's somebody out there it's going to take care of this person really well and in return that person is going to do favors being forced to do to answer your question how we find the heroin it's a lot of things we use we do use dogs a lot we use our own eyes because a lot of things we look for whether it's in a car in a house we look for people's they've been through is really long and intense they know what you know standard bolt should look like you know cars you know is this does this look like it's been told up like think about your own car how many times have you taken the seats out of your car probably never maybe once if you know what you're doing so if you see that those bolts on those seats are all scratched up and  ratchet off that's an indicator you should be looking a little bit harder to score for some reason was it wrecked was it rebuilt you know things like that you know when you look at you feel like having times in your life if you borrowed you know not necessarily in your all these different things out there the things that we look at there are a lot of itself absolutely nothing can you bar your cousin's car absolutely can you carry a hundred thousand dollars in here in your car sure you can if you have that kind of cash but it's  the circumstances that were actually on the roadside bill in these cases as we ask these questions and that's that's what it comes down to saving lives especially these you know the majority of the females that are being human traffic out there that that's you know that's what we look for a lot is the questions and the answers to get what we need to give us those indicators to go a little further and you know sometimes there's something there and sometimes just not you know a lot of people may get offended by the questions we ask carolina i know he's from the north carolina that makes sense somebody else may say north carolina grandmother feel they were i don't know i get the directions when i get there you know who that happens you know which is that i just a just a small example of what goes on on the highways when we're out there again we start talking about the trades and the training of things we do educating the prevention public and private sectors we have to work with everybody whether it's just the doctors here masks that we work with utilities people p p l med the water company because they have people out there all the time they see what's going on you know in these neighborhoods in these housing bust transporters you know greyhound buses mega buses the trucking industry we have huge relationship with the trucking industry we need all these people because they see things they tell us look at the truck drivers in america malzahn to cover every day the things that they see on the highway of there are a wealth of information if you can get them on board this is just one thing i threw up here from our intelligence center which is pacing which is the pennsylvania criminal intelligence center one of the few intelligence centers that are open twenty four hour seven days a week three hundred sixty five days a year we never shut down a lot of intel centers to shut down because they don't have the money the manpower and so forth we are they are the to one of the busiest in the nation talking fifty thousand plus calls a year t take not only from pennsylvania but from across the country if you look for pennsylvania's located in the northeast you have access to what twenty five plus million people and it's the one of the biggest  not necessarily geographical where's the population wise one biggest and busiest population areas of the country major cities obviously philadelphia new york all new jersey because we  treatment just some just some numbers we have out there what we know there's seven or thirteen license treatment friday was the home of seventy three licensed outpatient product treatment programs so we're trying to get better trying to get bigger it's a shame that it is grown to this type of number that you need this much obviously that shows that you know it's  treatment by first responders again i have been on this job for twenty six years and it was until you know two years ago that i got my first nor can it that i have to care if anybody ever wants to see the city and feel free to open this up and look at it  you can't hurt or anything like that so everybody around the country run the commonwealth of the country has these together costs money like everything else it's very expensive it's just like the they came out with a few years ago they came out you know we all have those now they're all of our offices or all of our barracks searchable things that we discussed earlier and again you're getting a very short version of this today because normally you could take fifteen twenty minutes and talk about each slide and break everything down  so what we do how we do things and how we operate that is just the emblem of my unit and that's my contact information at least for now this is about technology today so i brought along a few things that have helped us get to a better place in law enforcement where we are today see for easier than a five things but i want to go there just to set the stage a little bit to give you a little bit of idea of what we do so the first thing i want to talk about is just this this is just a basic to make it so everybody understands this is basically a stud finder it's a density meter these are about sixty seven hundred dollars yes now your home depot model x but what this does this gives this ability that we can run this along the fender of a car or a quarter panel or the inside of a tractor trailer on the walls and like i said my guys are well trained they know when those walls are to be vacant and so hence the word density we come across them to little bigger we're going to take a little look regular we have scopes we have a long scope so we can run down  damage but will fix it will make it right it does happen but i just want to show you that one of the other things that we're looking at purchasing coming up we haven't made these persons yet but this is actually a portable x ray machine and we're actually demo in these right now that's why i don't have one here today as the well the screen on they weigh about six pounds now but we do purchase these this will give us the ability to x ray dash boards and seats and walls and tires and things like that will be able to look wanted to share today that's really helped us is the little machine here it's called the true north and it's by thermal scientific and basically what this does is this used to be how we feel test your colleagues in the field we take these little pouches and we would open these up and you know open up the top and you put a little bit of that narcotic in there or the drug you have put this back on top and there's a little glass of vials in here that you break there's a pattern to do it or a way to do it and you shake this up and it would turn a certain color and indicate what that product is very very dangerous way to do things because you're handling the narcotics all the time so with this new technology that the thermal scientific has come up with we now have the capability if i can get it to turn  again that we can use roman technology basically which is a laser beam and when we run into products like this that are out there on the streets these are just a few examples of how stuff is package and this is all training stuff that we have is that we have the ability to just one point shoot this at the product to get a reading and the database that's in here is over five thousand different chemicals that are out there and it will tell us the chemicals that make up the heroin and cocaine or whatever that across it is and there's a lot of times through that we get inconclusive because there is noone or products that are coming on the market every day i remember a few years a way i guess and you know i don't know how he ever figured that out but there's a lot of things out there like that my point is it's changing every day and we can't keep up with nobody else can specially with the fat know and everything else in the different pills to some form of fennel harold acid whatever that they've had a reaction to their laws we've got off to law enforcement officers that had to have the nor can used on them not only once but twice if memory serves me right there was an officer in ohio they had him four times at the nor can before they brought him around and of course he went to the hospital then he's got to enter treatment you've got to have follow ups so again it costs a lot of money to go see the doctors and things like that one second sorry ray to you so the way this works is through this rama technology that was developed by thermal scientific that it's everything's pretty self explanatory and again my guys have went through a ton of training with this i'm no expert on this by any means i've used it before but i'm not i don't carry one of these in my car and i said my other guys out on the streets carry them because i'm not out on the streets as often as they are they're out every day so there's a self check that you perform every time you turn it on you know tell you if it's you know if there's something wrong is it calibrated i want to tell you there's an update we get updates from the company all the time our gods when in the office of the update just like you would a cell phone or anything else upload these updates and specially for the database with the chemicals when the we find a new chemical or we test something we don't know what it is and we sent our lab will share that information with irma that we found this new chemical out there that we believe part of this crack or part of this heroin or fennel and they'll try to add that to their database and so there when you're ready to scan you can just simply hold this down and once it tells me it's going to analyze and sort of see analyzing it it will tell me scanning it i'm sorry and then to go to analyzing it so once i have that reading it scanning then it goes to analyze can take that off and it takes about a minute because it's running through the database of all the chemicals of what it just read and hopefully if this works it will tell me internet package and like i said a lot of times we do inconclusive because we're running into so many different chemicals out there different our colleagues and that's why we make it to the point where we're not in that field test anything anymore we're going to set it right to a lab because it's so dangerous but this has been a great device to keep us from going hands on its less touching of the material we we have to wear nitrile gloves and we wear these respirator mask down so if you ever see a trooper out on the highway with one of these mass what are some of these probably encountered some sort of narcotic powder liquid or something in that car that that's you know obviously made him give a little heightened awareness that there's a problem here they threw that mask on real quick to present himself or maybe somebody else dropped you know maybe somebody in their car got to do something passed out so he threw that mask on to protect himself it happens all the time with different things out there yes sir this is actually sugar in here and it took me two times to get he saw me the first time and again it's just a matter of operator error me holding it here and making sure that i'm doing everything right and still scanning and it'll tell you when it's done scanning then it goes the analyzing so once it's done analyzing i can pull that off there and you can see it's run through that to base again and it should take about a minute to run through those five thousand plus chemicals and give me an idea of what's in there that so then after this is done which is nice is versus the old days where i would just go into a preliminary hearing important testify that i feel tested it and it tested positive for heroin i can now go back and i can download this oh my kill my desktop computer in print this out and then i can this whole the whole anal zation of this can now be printed out and i can make an attachment to m before and present it to the courts as well as a print as a preliminary testing thing it's not the actual lab results that we get in no way and what it actually is from the lab that will get down the road because when we send this then we'll have this fingerprinted we'll have  d we'll have it tested and sometimes we even look for the purity of it because sometimes really hard to tell you look at some chemicals out there so different products out there if i would put down if i put down three powers of say heroin cocaine and something some other non drug would be hard to tell for most people to tell that is kevin one which is a horse tranquilizer i mean that stuff is made for a twelve hundred plus pound animal people put their body why would you ever do that so if i put down a file of cocaine that involved kind of mind you probably can tell the difference and maybe we're not going to get a reading on that either and we have sixteen guys in the state they carry these my guys on me were in my unit and the reason the reason my guys have them is because we're we are so spread out and our schedules are a little bit more flexible than a normal patrol guy that's working seven to three three eleventh's more the regimented patrol schedule because you know they're going to cover the county in the townships where my guys like my north western guys that are from the erie mercer area have two guys up there they cover the interstates up there mostly seventy nine and eighty but it's quite a period for two guys out here now they have the normal patrols out here that are on eight hundred seventy nine but i have to my guys that are out there for criminal  interdiction so they have quite an area to cover and then i have to in state college to scranton to philly harrisburg and pittsburgh southwest so we cover vessel so these guys can get around so if there's a god accounting station that makes a stop and needs it we can usually get one of these to them and that's how we've distributed out in the field would we like to have more sure but at that cost it's tough to get it almost seems like the old method easier yeah cheaper no doubt does it work yeah but it's very dangerous dangerous and here's the other thing every time this kid is made specifically for heroin i have a kid specifically for marijuana cocaine so we have it's their letter day through i think a few of them down so we don't even have field test kits that contest or test catamount and there's actually a flow chart that the company put out that if we test one product and it doesn't work try this and we go through those stages so this is cheaper it is a worry yeah but it's as good as this can be  and that's where the technology has maybe a better for us very expensive especially for a state agency you know that operates on a budget and so forth like that you know but we still use those i mean they haven't completely gone away because when i showed you that map like we have a lot of stations that are out of the middle of nowhere that are near major interstate you know we have you know probably nobody in years ever heard of lichens lichens is northern upper  counting it's a station we have up there there's about twenty guys at that station there's no main road or way into there so those guys are out there cover an entire upper portion of dolphin county by themselves we may only have one or two troopers out on shift there's still a couple counties that at night time we only have a couple guys out to come to our county i mean pennsylvania's huge states a vast area so i will make one more attempt at this just so i can get this to work but it does work believe me if you have the right guy running it and a lot of my guys if he even said that that when they started using it it took a few times so they really got and i got a couple guys that they think it's like a home computer you know they can they're hidden buttons faster than i can watch and they try to show me things and they're going so fast i can't keep up with it and they get their print outs it's been in the courts it's been tested even defense attorneys have said they'd like it which is nice to hear them say not all of them but it gives them something else and look at because you know the more you give a defense attorney the more they're going to question you about things but it's been nice and like i said hopefully with with this item in the density meters in the x ray machines of things that we can keep going and companies you know like thermo scientific and what your company's trying to do i think really you know benefit especially to us that are on the you know more of the you know a lot of police work is reactive because you wait for you wait for that call and you get that phone call that somebody needs something this is one unit it's very proactive war out there trying to get it done and getting it done so you need things like this to be that proactive law enforcement that you want to be so it may work says i didn't leave it there long enough but let me use marijuana for example ok a lot of people are like marijuana as marijuana doesn't hurt anybody doesn't do anything but we have a lot of people that drive around intoxicated on our call every day so if you legalize marijuana you're going to have that many more people driving around marijuana is not like the one nine hundred seventy s where marijuana the put it in today's terms high test marijuana a little message what can you overdose for marijuana probably not but you but some people could but they do things like they did it in p c p and smoke it so they mix it was something and it's a lot stronger the t h c love the growers have gotten better  you know and it comes not only you know everybody blames mexico but it comes from the canadian border as well you know there's hydroponics grows it's better stuff it's a better high and in the drug world narcotics it's all about supply and demand so when herons always been around but his hair we got more popular and more people got hooked on it it got cheaper so then along came the pills and the oxy and all the pain relievers that when they couldn't get those because it expends they turn to the heroin in the meth because it's cheaper so the best way to answer your question is where heroin we used to do buys a bag may cost twenty twenty five dollars on the street for that one little china now in other places around the country around the world so it's about supply and demand is about the availability it's the price it's cocaine still there yes it is it's on its way back we're seeing a lot more cocaine so that means in time you'll probably see more crack because you'll take the coke and you'll turn that into crack and there's pills you know they're going to be out here talk about your dawn and diversion and things like that it's tough to answer your question as far as why are we behind the evil also the well it's always been there but how do you keep up with it how do you stop that kid from trying to i mean you can educate educate and tell them i think we've done a pretty good job of that i mean is there any young kid in this room you know that's never heard don't do drugs don't ingest it don't do this don't eat here early you know we've grown up as kids we hear a lot of don'ts and a lot of no's and i think we know that but i just think it's in the society that we live in today that because it's more readily available you see more social media is huge if you look at the all the all the dealers that turn to the web and the internet to put their products out i mean they'll ship it to you you know there's fictitious locations set up you know the dark web and everything like that multimillion dollar drug rings were being run from somebodies house or garage and your hotel room or wherever they're at your daughter all over the internet where is the majority of us in this room never had the cell phones that we have today or the or the technology that we have today and just to comment on this on the cell phones a little bit you know only talks to you know all of our you know educators and clergy and mass and everybody you know we use these every day there's things on here like i pharmacy pill and look up because you can look up so if your kid has something at home and you want to know that it is and it's a green lawn pill you can actually put that in green long five milligrams what is it and it might tell you maybe it's percocet maybe it's like it is and i don't know maybe it's just an aspirin but there's a lot of things out there and it's tough for us to even get like i have a lot of these i call them young kids that when they committed the shield train the interdiction train to do they always tell every class in about somebody tells me about a new after thirty years and how they're you know whether it's to get directions somewhere whether it's to you know find where rave is or find out what a pill is or summer kartik out there  you know the technology is so at your hands anymore it's unbelievable and to keep up with it is just i mean there's apps for apps all the time you know we got a password for everything you can't even keep up with all of us so that's what's been tough as we haven't been able to as a society to keep up with technology and all the other things that are out there and it's driven by money i mean these big idea i showed her picture of a car a guy's got three hundred thousand dollars cash not to say you can't have three hundred thousand dollars cash but even some of the richest people in the world trump gates warren buffett he's got billions they probably walk around with those wanting in your pocket because everything's credit cards and bank checks and things like that they're not walking around you have that rare occasion where dennis rodman will stop coming out of singapore somewhere with four hundred grand because he was gambling are you dennis rodman got a lot of money  a player and you know he's a known gambler all right so foreigners never all that but he's going to get asked a lot of questions because who travels with that kind of cash you know so it's tough to keep up and the only thing we can do is  as an educator just keep putting it out there and you know comes back you know it all starts at home but with the parents i mean i see so many parents today that are disengaged from their kids and not to turn this into a parental lecture  anything like that i mean i have a daughter but that's what's got to start and you know we all have jobs are busy i mean i'm not home a lot of mud road i travel a lot and do things like that so you know my wife and i have to work together to make sure that she has everything that she needs and wants and understands and so forth like that so it's got to start there and it's bills that are the schools and universities and does it stop somewhere you know when you're eighteen you want to college it's probably not as you probably don't hear about as much you know and then even into that age were a lot of things happen you know eighteen to twenty four you got there by yourself you try a lot of things you look at a lot of things somebody says hey this one her is still have people that are slipping stuff in here drinks and things like that so it's tough to keep up with society and i don't know of death is the exact answer you're looking for but when stuff is developing faster the more we can get it i mean you know if you got a new i phone a year ago there's already a new one out for a thousand dollars i have a samsung the new samsung is out that this was the words good we have all this technology here in front of us and when you are involved in a state agency that you know you have to go through you know we want stuff today but to we get bids out on it and vendors and actually have the money to do it i mean i mean everybody wants to support us whether it's you know the legislator the governor or our commanders they try to provide everything they can for us but it's all you know do we stop at the borders not only the borders of the commonwealth but the borders of this country and everything we've got to slow down because it's just running rampant as everybody knows i don't think there's a new story that you turn on the t v any night whether it's david m c or whatever that somebody doesn't address the opioid crisis with the pill crisis or the heroin epidemic so it's now reached the levels of the federal government hopefully will come together as a nation and be able to solve it you know get people to treatment you know if you've ever talked to somebody i think everybody knows somebody that's been affected by harold not if it's not in your family it's a family friend and so forth and few sit down and interview these people they will tell you it is this feeling like they've never felt and you know if you talk to somebody who's used cocaine once they've used it once and they never used it again if you talk to somebody who used heroin they needed again they got to have and that's the difference rehabilitate it's a good stuff because you've got to remember we're law enforcement we enforce the laws of the commonwealth we're just now getting into the rehabilitation business if you want i want to say lifesaving because we're always lifesaving everybody is but you have to separate i mean does it upset you that this guy overdosed on sat what upsets me is went down the aisle with two hundred thousand bags there that guy he's locked up that guy is a straight up very large scale drug dealer who needs to go to jail people who get hooked on this stuff whether hooked on alcohol drugs everything like that y we're all here to help we've got to make it better but we don't have enough facilities doctors and everybody to to attend to that right now it seems like there's a shortage everywhere for that i never get a bad attitude with that it's just it's what i signed up for i'm just does it upset you have it i can't i can't spill it out there and i could have i yell at people sure it happens out on the streets things happen out there but i don't let my feelings my personal feelings get in the way of what i'm  doing my job to do and i know what i got to do if i can help you out how to help you out if you have to go to jail you have to go to jail can you get the rehab you need in jail yeah it's going to be tough love rehab because there's only so much of an aspirin or prescription drug addiction distributed to jail you know it's not a hospital you sit in jail long enough and you don't have it you're going to weather that storm it's going to be a rough thirty days for you i mean you talk to people who went through withdrawals from it is brutal  when you go through that but and i'm not saying geos rehab i'm the same it's part of the process and part of the process that i can't control because if you break the law and you get arrested you go to jail that's what happens is that every time that someone if that burst open in your stomach which happens you got minutes to get a hospital before you're going to die it's a messy job sometimes  he's going to get sick he's going to get sick but when you get a bad stomach ache and you bring it back up that's what's going to happen yes sir and we were well hasn't it hasn't you know they passed in pennsylvania and they just got it to where the you know the dispensaries and the and the growers are going to come out so we don't have that large scale problem that colorado has  rather will tell you they weren't prepared for specially because you have all the people riding around hi i'm driving let's leave what we actually have driven drug recognition experts within the state police that if you look at a guy or a female whatever you know and he had no up on the system so we have that sort a little bit ahead of the game there on look but there's different arguments that are made with the legalization of marijuana i think you understand where i come from because you put another  the street i think it makes it tough is there something to be said on the medical side of it that if there's a child out there that has four hundred seizures a day and then it will extract it from marijuana can knock them down to zero or one should that you know that right to that's sort of treatment absolutely who would want that for their kid that's a huge big debate that it's going to need to go on the floor of the capitol not in this room everybody's entitled to their opinion what do you think about that and when you look at the good that can come out of that you know the marijuana oils and so forth it can prevent or it would seem like it's a no brainer because you're making this child's life a lot better but with that comes everything else with you know we're going to grows the dispensaries are we going to have people there trying to break into these places to steal the marijuana and steal the road probably that happens society live and so there's a lot of the problems are going to come along with that so i think pennsylvania's taking the right steps as far as trying to monitor the best they can and have a lot of things in place and only time will tell it's going to do