good morning this is the council's meeting on budget and friends this is a regular meeting nov thirteenth september two thousand and sixteen this morning we have from the committee members mr and this morning before we start meeting so less at this time from the chamber if mr michael try to come forward to share his thoughts with the community regarding his item of interests of the holly oh molly thank you i want to thank you chair and the committee for bringing this measure forward again so quickly from the last time on saturday we had another one of our home buyer seminars and i wanted to let you know we had forty seven people come to that and in our system right now we have seventy close to seventy families that have gone through all four steps o program and so this project i know is only twelve homes but it'll still help quite a bit and that entire project as you know on the west side is a sixty eight home affordable housing project i wish we had all of them so we can give our memories these homes but anyway i thank you for bringing this forward and i just asked that this committee you look in favor of this funding from the affordable housing fun and i just want  complete my testimony by reading a letter from a homeowner if i may we received this letter this homeowner was the homeowner who received the first home that naleo molly had built from scratch in wake of and i'm going to read that you know how the business model is amazing they are nonprofit organization that truly understands the needs of the county of maui's housing cri they believe in providing a beautiful home that is home ready and an affordable price they can do this because they are a community land trust whose mission to perpetuate affordable housing for low to moderate income families i am a man i maui resin it born and raised in cooler i have seen the growth of this island and with that growth i have seen the difficulties of working families who truly try to maintain their residence here from my family i really praise and thank god that my family has a home that they can really call home we cannot predict what will happen in life my family we are a family of five and i was fortunate to raise our three children and work in a position that was flexible however in just one day our life changed my husband was in an accident and became permanently disabled the really really changed this really changed the dynamics of our family and our financial outlook again i truly thank god for prince suing college and receiving two bachelor of business degrees one in finance and one in hotel restaurant management which allowed our family to meet jane residency here in maui words cannot express how the holly i'm always program has changed our allies my husband and i would never have entertained the idea of being of homeowners it was just a dream and a goal that was too far to reach as parents the blessings of being homeowners being exhilarating joy our children also have a sense of security and happiness maui has made homeownership smoot they have helped us through the biggest purchase of our lifetime they patiently walked us through the steps and assisted us with our down payment through their grant program their intent is truly to help families and not increase their bottom line you has a program that i hope can continue to get funding to support their operations to mean the how you'll maui's mission is a mission of love and compassion for the county of requests concerning budget committee item thirteen two a lesson i learned along the way is this whenever something important can be described as a no brainer watch out that is land say we should be building fourteen hundred homes a year to supply the natural reoccurring demand we are actually building a small fraction of that amount the median cost of a residential home in maui has hit seven hundred thousand and was maui there are no homes that average working families can hope to afford at all that the project will guarantee the delivery of twenty two homes to truly working class families any confusion on that point amounts to a deliberate denial of the history of these two housing nonprofits they have prepared a long list of working families who will qualify for against subsidies why have you what about housing funds that's what they're for to supplement the development into the livery of homes to our working families so they can afford it the irony of the holly request is that the majority of that six hundred sixty six thousand dollars requested will be returned to the county in the form of a back piece what does the general public get from these appropriations it gets homes that will remain  affordable beyond the first generation of buyers if affordable housing is really this community's top priority then approval of this appropriation is truly a no brainer w good morning cassandra o'malley i'm here today for your b after thirteen too which is for the affordable housing fund not o'malley but also for habitat for humanity we're both here today requesting approval of the requests for proposals that we submitted and that were delivered by the department of housing  you've heard me before and i don't want to repeat myself i have submitted written testimony what i'd like to do to the today is read if you don't mind two letters that i just received which are also passed out to you this morning one is from an existing homeowner and one is from a potential homeowner someone who wants to be able to afford to buy a home in the west side before buying a home through a holy o'malley's affordable housing program we were unable to qualify to buy a home the homes just cost too much for our income we lived in rental housing that was unacceptable  standards rats and bug infested tiny no stove open sewers a large partying loud partying from neighbors all day and night you name it we tried other affordable housing projects but none were coming through for us we tried the lottery and ended up number three hundred fifteen you had to be in the top ten to even have a chance but we did come through we were well to buy a home with mortgage payments far less than the exorbitant rent we paid before we now have a decent place to live we are very grateful that mohali o'malley was there for us this would not have been possible without funds from the council please keep up the good work and give the money to this truly valuable nonprofit organization the second letter is from a family who would like to become a homeowner and it's quite long it's four pages so i may not make it in three months house my husband and i decided to participate in the holly on now is affordable housing program due to the high cost of rent compared to the wages we are receiving we are currently running a two bedroom condo on the website which is two thousand two hundred fifty dollars per month and we are scraping just to get by i've been a teacher for ten years at king coming near three school in the hina yet my net pay is much less we have an eight year old daughter and a twenty month son and a baby due to our example our expenses are more than we can cover this is an example of the potential homebuyers that we have that need homes and thank you very much i appreciate your time and we respectfully request that you approve of the request for the additional funds if you miss and do if you you can choose submit that as part of a written testimony if you d i will ask mr mark wilson if you would please come forward and share his thoughts with us please good morning budget chair hope column council members good morning my name is mark wilson i am the director of humane a force for the maui humane society now you made societies the primary rescue shelter in investigative organization on m shelters consider an open shelter which means we accept all animals that are brought or surrendered to the shelter or to the officers in the field the human society has the only organization with a full complement of staff resources to respond and handle animal emergencies in hurricanes in the past eighteen months we've experienced five hurricane preparedness events one tsunami warning or grassfire which threatened shelter during a public event and six large animal rescues where we borrowed a stock trailer in order to transport the animals there are twenty three reported vegetation fires and the last large fire burned fifty three acres in the south slope of the red cross to open shelters lacking the ability to help transport larger animals well human society would have only been able to provide kennels for the dogs and cats and that would have been transported in the enforcement trucks which handle probably two dogs and four cats we recognize in the first stock trailer to transport larger impounded or seized animals and to assist the commune the evacuation of larger animals also during this last since april and now you mean society in the force one department have moved to twenty four hour services going to the services traditionally we were not working at night but now that we're working at night we have found that we are lacking certain equipment on the enforcement trucks which are spotlights during the hours of darkness the officers are unable to read the addresses or residents illumining an animal in the roadway or make an active search for loose animals spotlights will increase officer safety and the sci fi the community thank you thank you  provide testimony for today's meeting animal management revolving fund by adding an appropriation for the mouse humane society and amount to twenty thousand five hundred dollars that will allow us to purchase the sixteen foot stock trailer that  mark wilson spoke of and spotlights for our enforcement trucks we feel about well let me back up these items are not in our budget and we struggle as it is so we are very much hoping that this committee will approve these items so that we don't have to go out into the community and borrow thing you know trailers in the i'm in the event of an emergency and i thank you and hope for your support thank you for being here use me embers any questions for the levy on her just the every known thank you again for being good morning good morning my name is frank easter betty and this is jennifer felix and thank you all for allowing jenny and i to buy today on behalf of happy jannie currently owns a unit at call of i in happy valley habitat has made it possible to build one of jenny's dreams to live as independent as possible to have her own apartment home where she can live with outside assistance jenny attended the home owner classes credit counseling the budget we worked on the project and at three storey she does monthly chores around the complex from hall up keep the monthly yard maintenance and cleanup into a resonance potluck so all the residents there that we're blessed to have their homes too happy to have we maintain the building as a community effort ok jennifer thank you for being here any questions for this members thank you very much for your testimony this morning thank you thank you sherri dotson please if you would please come forward and following housing fund annual plan which provides funding to habitat for the home a project thank you very much for getting this back on the agenda so quick really appreciate it we are requesting this money to help us purchase ten lots that will be sold to families earning eighty percent or less of medium income these are families like jennifer who would never qualify for a conventional loan in essence their dream of homeownership lies in our fate we currently have over one hundred fifty people who have asked to be contacted once applications become available for this project this is without any advertising just word of mouth i haven't closed the packet that i prepared that shows a site plan of the lots that we will be repurchasing the lots range from just over five thousand square feet to over eight thousand square feet i have also included the house plans for a three bedroom and a four bedroom typical habitat house we do use a modified package as i've indicated in previous testimony all of our families who have to put in at least five hundred hours of sweat equity complete at least eight hours of home ownership classes we also work with families to lower lower their debt ratios and improve their credit there have been numerous studies as to benefits of home ownership studies have shown that home home owners accumulate wealth as the investment in their home a better living conditions are often more involved in their communities and have children who tend on average should do better in school and are less likely to become involved in crime a new or renovated home also provide safety and healthier place to live poor housing conditions often cause physical and mental illness including asthma which is the leading cause of hospitalization for children homeownership also provides a positive influence on a child's education one study nearly two thousand two thirds of children in habitat homes had their study habits improved once they moved into their no new home no matter who we are where we come from we all deserve to have a decent life we deserve to feel strength and stability day after day we deserve to know we have the power to take care of ourselves and build our own future through shelter we empower people we humbly ask for approval of the one point five million from the affordable housing front to be used for this project and as a reminder we are with r s zero percent interest mortgage all the payments come back to habitat to help build more homes thank you ms thoughts members an questions on that as you can see from the letter in the photos the infrastructure is about ninety five percent complete we still need to put in driveway aprons and do our landscaping which will be done concurrently with the home building our subdivision approval i was hoping to be before you today saying our last item which is an easement with department of water supply is complete but we received a third round of comments yesterday afternoon we will be making the changes as quickly as possible and resubmitting that document so that's our final piece our bond is in our subdivision plat is approved as a form so we've we're close we've been close for about four months just waiting on primarily department of water supply the cost of the project ridgeley we had thought it would be closer to one hundred twenty thousand per lot we are closer to is hundred thirty thousand per so the total sale price to the holly and habitat is seven hundred sixty thousand dollars below cost which we will have to absorb and i remaining forty six  lots so regardless you know of there they are getting a good deal but there are still the cost of the home building we're also finding is has gone up in the last twelve years since i worked fourteen years since i worked on this project and finally there was some question on the credits that we're receiving we are receiving ten credits for this project and they can only be used by west my land company or affiliated entities of west my land and in the community plan area this is far more restrictive than the current workforce housing ordinance that has been revised since our approvals which provides for fifty one hundred percent for the housing project any unit over fifty percent gets one credit we're only getting ten for this project and it's extremely restrictive so that concludes my testimony thank cost basically the six hundred sixty thousand dollars is going to come back to the county in fees impact fees etc do you have any numbers as to how much impact fees you are having to pay back to the county share your thoughts please and following him will be oh good morning my name is travis thompson i am the president of the board of directors of our maui habitat for community for humanity six weeks ago i provided you with information on our habitat for humanity organization financing low and moderate income projects in july two thousand and five this organization was split into h p h a which is a way public housing authority and f t c which is why a housing finance and development corporation i was the chair of h p ha from may may two thousand and seven until august two thousand and eleven i then have been a member of habitat board since that time therefore i think i'm in a unique position to contrast the differences between public housing and what we do it habitat so let me share with you why habitat is successful both habitat and h p h a poor provide housing you're a homeowner through habitat you have skin in the game you have given at least five hundred hours and sweat equity in public housing there is no ownership just a landlord if something needs repair yes maintenance to come fix with habitat the family has worked with habitat specialists learning how to strengthen their credit how to pay bills how to maintain a credit rating w teach each family how to maintain their home and have to move into their home we continue to work with a family we believe in homeownership and the creation of equity and we are successful each family who has participated in the habitat program continues as a homeowner this record includes more than one hundred families over thirteen years just think of the change that would take place in pubs if instead of rental housing the the each time it was given a chance to own their own units much like a condominium instead of public employees being landlords we would have owners working together to jointly improve their properties in their mutual interest they would be developing reading chair good morning council members i know that this topic is passionate to each and every one of you i know it is i stand before you asking your support mali as well as habitat for humanity i'm realistic broke going on or who deals with first time homebuyers they're the hotel workers and the clerks of this wonderful county there is never and the thirty five plus years that i've been in real estate have seen anywhere from california to here where i worked in real estate a county more equipped and more giving in assisting our first time home buyers you have been corporate ed agencies such as now and habitat for humanity day to day stand before you because it is indeed a worthy project i was working with first time homebuyers i had the opportunity of working with habitat for humanity i became i was an unskilled worker but by the time i was to go and they gave me the nailgun so i became a skilled worker which is fine i cannot begin to tell you how rewarding it is to see your relatives going into their home given that key turn  key and the children after all coming having five children and one two bedroom apartment having them going no that's my room no that's my room and these are real people just like that young lady who came before you that got that habitat for humanity home unless you're there pounding that hammer in the day that they walk into their home unless you're there to give them their key because was able to give them our home and see the look on your family your friends their children's eyes and their faces then and only then when you know how very important it is i h to to support them and again i do know your passion but this is important because the county cannot do all things so put the money into the hands of the people that can do and that would be the citizens of at habitat of humanity working putting in their five hundred hours and now i only ask this thank you brothers and sisters mahalo n q members morning good morning sir my name is tom blackburn rodriguez and i'm testifying on behalf of gold incorporated gold now is a nonprofit organization focusing its efforts on housing jobs water agriculture economic opportunity and infrastructure thank you for the opportunity to testify this morning in support of mohali o'malley's one hundred percent of federal home a housing project in west maui one  habitat for humanity project these two efforts will provide housing for a range of household earning from below eighty percent to one hundred twenty percent of mali's median income but your chairman i think it is appropriate at this time to mention that my county has always stepped up to address the need for housing and to meet others serious concerns facing us i recall your leadership mr chairman when nine eleven happened at all outside commerce to t i was abruptly halted people were laid off and we did not know where to turn then as now our government acted and you along with the former mayor came up on a and and the o's executive director glad as by so crafted a million dollar grant program to ensure mallees county's people made it through that crisis it was successful because of your leadership in making certain that our tax dollars were  cash rainy day fund in the bank for that we owe you and your colleagues a sincere debt of gratitude this morning you will return to the issue of fordable housing and take another step in confronting the housing crisis facing us that holly o'malley project will build twelve homes that will be affordable in perpetuity that means that any tax dollars invested will only be done once the homes will never go to market price or require any other public subsidy great things happen when families have safe and secure housing they not only enjoy being in their own home but a study by the burlington land trust demonstrated that thirty percent of land trust homeowners were able to move into market prized homes because they were able to save money for a down payment why because the cost of their land trust housing was capped at approximately one third of their household income on maui that cost can be fifty to sixty percent of the household income mr chairman in conclusion the land trust model is only one tool to create affordable housing but is one of many tools each playing their own part and working together for the benefit of ny residents the land trust homes must be occupied by my residence and cannot be flipped heirs and family members and inherit the ninety nine year lease which is conclusion i respectfully urge your positive consideration of the holly all my requests before your committee today thank you very much thank you for your comments members any questions for the gentleman blackburn thank you so much and again thank you for recognizing my efforts but it was nine members of the council that made it happen with the mayors thank you and you for organizing the thank you so much for that thank you while davis if you please come forward to share your thoughts with the committee please come before this committee many times before today i am coming on behalf of our organization in order to speak in support of our requests of thirty thousand dollars from the animal management revolving fund in order to provide much needed surgical and clinic furnishings to improve on the services that we currently provide we had sought these fundings last year and were unable to expand them because of continuing renovation projects that were not yet complete we are seeking to create a more sterile and professional setting at our facility which were encouraged more to utilize our span neuter wellness and preventative care services which benefit all of our islands animals their owners and caretakers our operation has humble beginnings starting by providing spanier services and pop up clinics around our community and it has grown to a standalone facility currently located in holy hua since two thousand and seven we have performed thousands of surgeries at our current facility and the wear and tear from these services has become evident while looking to replace furnishings that have quite honestly been patched and repaired too many times to count we have realized that properly upgrading the facility will go much further than constant replacing individual items as they need to be replaced we are not requesting anything beyond what a standard spindler clinic has things like kennel banks surgical prep sayings and storage cabinets will replace deteriorating portable candles wash basin and makeshift shelving all of these items have been lovingly pieced together and replaced over the years but now we ask that our larger community through this county council support them ok humane society by allowing us to purchase the items necessary assignment or was it you folks who are unable or unable to spend it at the time we were unable to spend it at the time not that we were unable to spend it we could have easily purchased the equipment but we weren't ready to place them in the facility initially when the first proposal had come up we had a new location cited and had been in the process of negotiating the lease agreement and that unfortunately fell through so now we have current renovations where we are and are working with our current landowners those are currently in the first phase but by november of this year will be ready to be upgraded the renovation costs are covered unfortunately we don't have enough well good to the district office and asked miss law anyone in hama would like to give testimony please and a description of the project and finally forth we have received the county of my we white couple facilities master plan for and also mission april two thousand and fifteen year period by each year engineering inc as part of the proposed budget but desire was to delay that until we could have a full discussion on the items amir's here this morning to provide an overview of some possibilities that we've looked at for this three hundred a we've embarked on this journey to try and recreate our county government and to create different base yards and to create park facilities for our community quite some time ago and we're in the process of moving that forward now in our  discussion we had community presentation is and what one of the things we want to discuss with you this morning is how to formulate the lots of we have one is one hundred acres in the other two hundred ninety acres into what configuration we want to be able to end up with you know there was a discussion before and if you look at the screen the area in red is urea we purchased that we had previous we sort of using that discussion sort of move things around and this is for the purpose of discussion it's nothing as is for more set but we wanted to discuss with you the location that we would now put the hundred acres to which was what was recommended at our last meeting as you can see it's been moved away from the community to the farthest corner and it's configured in that grey area on the bottom and the two hundred nine acre park is a green area in front this is what we were asked to put together in the last meeting so the first thing we need to be able to get from you is an agreement on the location of what we want to be able to do no we're not asking for that agreement right now because there's a lot of other things to discuss first but in concept this is where we're looking at it s mayor has also present all of you copy hard copy right at your desk so mr carroll if the screen is giving you some difficulty on the details you might want to follow along on the hard copies oh excuse me i'm sorry for that interruption aaron sorry about that if you look at the the picture right here if this is the nine planned development areas that are currently being looked the for this area and being developed and if you haven't been there you should it's fantastic in the pyrenees right now and it's it's opened up all will see the almost to the road right now and they're developing the third and fourth stages so we'll take a look again you'll see a really spectacular sports complex number five the work of country town master plan for twenty sixteen to twenty twenty six in the in the different area these these are the major projects that we've been approached with that we're looking at right now that are in place so when we look at the area that we're trying to create the parks or the  it just keep in mind these are the other development areas that are coming out around that area so we need to be willing to take into consideration what's happening within that area looks like if you look  at the next slide this is the plan for land use map if you look at the colors that are there i'm not going to go through each of the each of the parcels but you can see that each of the types the developments that are being occurring in that area what they are so you have the mix use the commercial use the residential school parks and light industrial you can see how it's all sort of being put around in that area to give you an idea of what kind of uses they are so that's other additional information that you can use and try to make a decision as to why and where we should be placing the base shards in the park  that would go through department of transportation the state has agreed to as having an outlet there that's what we choose to end up with on the main highway so this is kind of give you an idea of the traffic flaw in the in the general area and again everything that we're talking about is conceptual everything can be moved so we're here today to sort of start the discussion as to what we want to do and what we want to be able to accomplish knowing what the specifics of the area are ok and if you look at the consolidated b shirts again these are all  possible layout we hire a consultant to go through and help us to look at this as an instruction is just to be able to give us a start as to what we want to be able to do if you look at all of the different areas you can see that each area and you can see it a lot easier on the handout that we gave you what each area is used for the fire department has the red sea a six acres second one  the nursery for parks the greed area right there the third parcel and you know right now parks department is going to be expanding but we're done from about little less than two hundred acres to over six hundred acres and rather than buying all the material all the time it only makes sense if we start growing a lot of our own material to be able to plant around the parks and to be able to utilize for all the  county facilities maintenance types of programs so we're looking at creating a major nursery and up the well coming from a farming background the small dinky little destry that we have right now that really is insufficient we were purchasing far too much of the material that we could actually be growing ourselves so this would give us an area to be able to work that area as well as have storage for the parks be shar in any case you can see because it's preliminary i don't want it i don't want anybody to fix it they're mine this is where everything is located you can see all the different departments that we have sort of allocated space for and again the configuration could be moved around it seems necessary to do that but this is what our consultants came up with as a consequence sexual idea to start the discussion ok now if we go to the next page these are some of the concepts that we're looking at and part of the funding that we're looking for is to hire a consultant group to go through all of our departments and to really look at how we can restructure our department to be the most efficient some of the ideas that we're looking at is for instance to create this single consolidated b shart within the hundred acre park to be able to keep everything more precise and to be able to economize and moving out of the  consolidated ministration support services and to be able to create a document storage facility right now we're renting a lot of space is we're putting things into containers were hiding things in whatever nic looking cranny we can cram cardboard boxes with information in and this is not the way that government records should be kept you know in the post office we had our problem there with the with the storm damage in the water damage and contaminated we had to destroy a lot of the the records were destroyed and we should be keeping much better track of our records and keeping in much better condition and by law we're required to keep a lot of these records so what we're looking at is a new storage document facility so that we can centralize a lot of our storage of documents so that it's not dependent on the person who filed it in the file box to remember where it is but rather that information can be readily available for anyone to research in to be kept in a consistent really handled area where we have control of it so that we can see that we're being responsible with the information we need to be able to score so that's what the the purpose of this facility we're looking at is one of the concepts of emergency management center you know that our emergency management center downstairs is sort of antiquated and very very small and tight we need to be able to upgrade it so that's one of the things that we're looking at the vehicle maintenance consolidated  work in areas where instances are small vehicle repair shops are large vehicle repair shops or small equipment repair shops putting them all in one area so that we can have centralized maintenance working on all of those and you know right now what our manpower scattered all over the place sometimes one group is too much work another group doesn't have enough work if we have the core of our core working force in one area we cou take the workload and balance it out much much better the other thing that we can do is we can order spare parts we can have the storage of those parts much better inventory control much better equipment control instead of having to buy separate pieces of equipment scattered all over the place this would be much more efficient we believe the consolidated warehouse we're looking at again all of the things that we buy in large quantities for the for the county to be able to have them controlled in one area so that we can distribute for that one area rather than have it all spaced out the ship we can buy in bulk which allow us to have a lot better pric and by having better inventory control coming out of one area we'll be able to manage much better what each area is being is utilizing and being able to see how goods and par and other kind of things that we have are being controlled you know in some areas people or things son necessarily just keep them in storage and they may not use it for a long time because they have extra money in this case if we have it in one area that would cut down a lot of that kind of unnecessary storage of all of the parts and equipment and by consolidating the different the different mechanics areas also by keeping all the parts in one area now we can standardize a lot of what we do use not have fragmented ordering all over the place and have to have different kinds of parts for all different types of equipment different models of equipment so this is one of the concepts that we're looking at just trying to have better control of our inventory for pricing as well as for spare parts and of course we're looking at the different departments by consolidating them all into this area will be able to have much better control of all the vehicle uses shared uses of equipment being able to work with each of the departments so you could have better management of the the material and equipment that we have to work with so the departments won't be totally isolated yet they'll have their own base yards we could share a lot of the things that are right now for instance if parks department needs to have a bulldozer they rent or if they need a back or they have to rent you know if they have the equipment in put it works and it's right next door and you can see it then you can just check it out and use it in the same thing with the labor that's involved with it the department should not be working really independent we believe it'll be much more efficient if they can share a lot of the equipment and mind manpower that they have crossing those department lines at times where it becomes more economical for the county so this would allow us to have that kind of a consideration the fire department  also be able to have better control and again you know this police department says there's a whole lot of different considerations that all of you need to work with us to be able to take and consider if there are other kinds of things that you would like us to consider putting into this other ways of being able to economize within the county system now is the time for us to really have that discussion you know we're getting to a point where the county building is getting old we're getting to the point where a lot of our base shards are becoming antiquated into changing a lot of the electronics in the systems within what we're doing at the same time they were doing this this project we're also looking at how do we change the management of the county system and our for instance our computer systems our information storage systems what kind of office are we looking for in the future what kind of goods and services how do we want each of the departments to reorganize and what kind of delivery do we want for me to the departments lot of the services that were created for the departments fifty sixty years ago their missions have changed so we want to hire a company to help us to be able to reorganize and revaluate essentially each of those the position descriptions that we have what the departments are charged with doing and what kind of services they should be able to provide for the community which department should be doing what numbers do a real management assessment as to how our government would be run the most efficient and we want your advice and your help in trying to be able to organize all of this but we also believe we need to have a professional group from outside coming in and helping us with the analysis because it's much too big of a project for us to do internally you know that's just when you look at this it's a massive undertaking but let's face it we're in a time in age right now where all of the technology is requiring us to change systems and to be able to reanalyze how we're doing all of our daily work and unless we adjust with these kinds of changes we're go dinosaurs in a lot of the things that we're doing and we're not going to be fission to providing the services the community needs to be able to have and to provide so that's what the discussion is we'd like to be able to have and we're just keeping this sort of that level of noise i'm not discussing any details because all of that is for future discussions and we're asking for your input on this so mr chairman thank you very much provided on cd for years it's very thick and got lots of detailed information in there so you know that encompassing with today's budget amendment is really for you to understand you know what it is that we are trying to do we're asking for the funding is specifically related to an archaeological inventory study that we need to perform in environmental assessment which will encompass the uses  in packs and things like that as well as a lot of consolidation in recent division to match what the desire of the council is as far as the location of the beast yards in the park so so just to clarify the even though the allow the members to have their opportunity to provide question questions we're not ready for comments yet members but one of the things that i do know and is this part of your initial requests of this mr mayor our current property is both by stating county and under agriculture we both know that we going to need to do some consideration of reclassification this on them more than likely a rezoning consideration that council would work with your departments is that something of the higher priority and first thing we need to get screwed away is on the actual lane use clearances  need to do an environmental assessment before we can request rezoning it can be a council initiated rezoning and so it can be fairly quickly and then we'll still have to go through the state land use depending on you know what the uses are allowed in bags of this currently ag zoning so in the future uses we are trying to provide so yes definitely the e a a and the zoning are going to be something that's going to be done with this it is outside of his consider flood zone xx the properties which means it's outside of the five hundred year incident one injury which is a positive thing for us were looking at locating the base shared facilities closer to kuwait lonny highway and keeping them away from the residential areas up  you know case in point the fire department which i'm assuming may want to be responding to emergencies from that location is the furthest from the highway and actually is on to the extension well the road stead of under the highway which i think might be preferable but the just one of the first things that came to my mind was that i thought the allocation of space was probably more more beneficial this state closer to the highway so just thoughts on that me why ali we were the fire department is located the fire department will be responding mostly to the way area from this location so the one who called the area will be very easily accessible from the oil they drive going out toward malala and to the housing vehicles the refuse vehicles public works trucks and all that are going to be located closer to the highway so definitely be more of a buffer between the community and those type of activities where the refuse trucks go out at five o'clock in the morning  change for relocating from the coast treat to this new base yard so the question in my mind is have we done calculations that that will help us understand the not only the cost of creating the new space and the new base shared but the cost of moving everything over and and the cost of possibly reusing the current co who site which i think is about three point seven or three point eight person what is that the the possible use for that and what's being considered there chairman the first thing that we need to discuss first of all is if the location that we want is reasonable except a bill to the council this is what we can agree to do before we can do any real cost evaluation of of anything some limited degree if we vacate areas what can we do with those properties and it will really be the discussion in some areas we may want to sell the property in some areas we may wan read designate them to something else but it will really be up to the council and the news regime to have the discussion about those after the fact but what we want to be able to have is real basic understanding so we can take the second step in trying to be able to release things the first step is just the general configuration is this the kind of location that we want can we agree on that first and then once we agree on the location and the like then he said placing things that we can supply he said numbers two to a little bit better but we have to go one step at a time and that's what we're at right now a first step getting agreement on what is it we're trying to what is it for location then you notice that in the last slide let's talk about what we want to be able to evolve to what we want to be able to evolve to is going to then determine how we're going to try to reconfigure if you don't like the idea for instance of heavy consolidated mechanic said that it was a completely different configuration if you would want to have some of the facilities in a different location it's a different configuration so we're in a process right now of trying to understand and just work out what is it that we want to end up as the end result you know we have quite a few different locations that we're trying to develop simultaneously in the what we're looking at the new service center we're looking at here is around the county building  know where we can go and what makes sense the study seems so thorough that i thought oh those kinds of questions might be answered but i don't want us to get stuck on that report please because that is going to be very fluid as we move along on the project and that and then turn the other question i have not sure that the mayor or mr baez has an answer but as we move into and environmental assessment how flexible i don't things or are flexible to a degree as you go through that process but once we have assigned an area how flexible is it to make changes if we are to to reposition some of these things to some of the land is now park i don't know how flexible the process is as far as i'm concerned there is nothing within this plan that is absolute right now the only thing that i have in my mind that we really need to consider is we own the property and we need to start looking at how we want to do it if you wanted to put to the council decided we wanted to put something in one place or another place that's all up here right now as far as i'm concerned it's really going to come down to what makes the most sense to all of us and what we can agree assessment so we do need an idea of what we want to do that can change but then it'll cost additional if there's changes to that environmental assessment so we want to try to get its solid of ideas we can ahead of time and then we'll deal with situations that make him come up from the archaeological inventory study or some other issues that come up during the environmental assessment discussion you know the preparation and discussion so  but at the point it becomes very solid i think mr weight would be the point we say we want the zoning changed and then at that point those lots or that area will be zoned to specific neighborhood or  some of the property being given to us as part of the cost of the of the road development some of the other landowners such as spencer would try to work on the final agreements on how to transfer those properties for the county there are some segments that we're trying to work out the past agreements or what should and shouldn't be to be able to complete out the project but whatever wherever developers have agreed to be able to work with what we feel that we can get them to work with we were very open to try and get a share from them in the cost but what we have to pay within our park system within our development system we would have to pay just to add real quick part of the reason why we are focusing the plan and the way it's done is so that we can have easy access from immediately without having to build the bridge and well it's a route extension ahead of time i'll just add to that we're trying to get federal funds to help us with some of the stuff too so that's why  this map let's say using that the archaeological and yes is based upon what we're putting out at that point right ok so that's why despite this was done in this way so that we can get that part of our process going with  consultant in and all the various entities that need to fulfil their requirements is that correct  until we get the the environmental studies and archaeological studies we don't know exactly what's there and what we can and cannot do so they discover a major burial ground right look at what the work we have to make major have some of the basic ideas that we talked to with the consultants but again we're here with the council and all because you asked us to come up with some basic ideas to present to you first so that's what we did but it's conceptual nothing is locked in granite and we're going to have to adjust to whatever the discussion gets help we realize that so we're not set on anything at this point where our goal is minute to have the discussion to get agreements to where we need to head and what we need to do with whatever surprises come up they'll be surprised us as well to see you well and i thank you mariana again that's what i am that's my question really amounts to this that what you have up there is conceptual and you've said nothing in this not changeable you can change anything at any time and depending on what we find and do you know that yes and the archaeological studies will be one of the bunch of agriculture area where fires are not that prevalent that ensures that the people of that area not only have the health and well being and safety while also help them with the insurance costs because once you get there the five mile radius starts from that point out and some of them no exceed the five mile radius from the white look to station or even the cali station so thank you for that i would really encourage and i like the other end where the heavy equipment is near where you shoot it  and the noise in the morning won't bother final question is the stream that runs or there's a a there's a stream that goes it's an open stream and you know along that area somewhere in the back right there's an open stre gold we didn't acquire the gold because we didn't want to have to deal with the storm runoff and all right consequences and b has all the property across the road and they can deal with it much so in other words it would be the developers project to do for me to set for development and something actually added to the news offered to the county if we want to acquire it at this point he doesn't really have development plans for that area but you know we want to take one bite my only concern is that initially we had referred it to one hundred and two hundred acres and so the one hundred acres is now the base yard plan and we did that because of the residential i that going to be eventually built and then now we've got the same scenario that we're that we were dealing with with residential complaining that it's too close if i have every cultural zone right and they would have to come in for rezoning on that and one of the things that the concept of we've been talking about for decades is to keep green buffer between between the communities so whoever happens to be in the decision making rule at that time would have to decide whether to keep a green vote for or not at this point i would say that this is the farthest away from any development that we know of and if somebody were to want to develop that area and if the council at that time allowed it to happen then i have no control over that but i will not i would dictate that it reasonable people who are looking at this now it would remain an egg thank you thank you very much members additional questions for  d by ten forty e make my friend all recommendations in the mean time prior to that meeting i am going to request to you if you have questions proposals for considerations regarding some conceptual as options to the meeting and then at that meeting your chair will make his recommendations martin likely to recommend movement of this to go forward so think about what you've heard from the mayor this morning comments from the h d r report and again everything is fluid in keeping what you saw on the screen this morning because what we giving comment is how they're going to address the take into account the different funding sources and the restrictions of those funds kate any objections members questions any questions on on diet mr coach just  one that came up in the break if mr baez knows the fire station that was listed on there is that moving i seem to recall it's moving the white local fire station out to their sector records at an additional behalf of the department of prosecuting attorney under the snap or special needs advocacy program this request has issues therefore no objections i'm we have one or three shall be for today's department to come join us to assist the committee regarding this consideration and from mr baez under sixteen just one of eighty two communication we have a proposed bill for an ordinance to amend have we also have lose domingo our grants management division chief who oversees the grants for these organizations to answer any questions as well and i think she has some opening comments  your consideration and appropriate action to these proposed is there any chance that they may lapse this again the question i have is you did mention in your testimony that you still may not you're not done yet with the renovations is there any chance that you might have to lapse this again now so at this point all we're waiting for is the approval on whether or not we can you to anyone else questions comments on the request before you from budget director ok but this is special friends again members under the revolving component animal management already and we're here to answer any questions you might have just as a refresher these two projects will be utilizing the funds that were allocated specifically for west molly out of the affordable housing fund those developer paid fund behalf of director reiman who apologizes for not being able to be here this morning she is off island the department wanted to reiterate its support for both these projects for funding also in attendance stay we have the executive director humanity habitat for humanity i'm going to ask mr dotson if she would come out for habitat for humanity i haven't i some questions for her with have a different business model for habitat and we would like to know whether that is a consideration also that habit could include within receiving county perpetuity question if you could give us some comment please well it is a board policy but their habitat humanity in maui board we have a policy of shared twenty year equity funds we previously require received from affordable housing from have a twenty five year so the board agreed to because of the funding source to go twenty five years  i can't speak for the board on whether they would change that policy i can tell you that i was around when the policy was drafted and the big reason why it was a twenty year shared equity in this income group eighty percent and below truly this is their only source of wealth they don't have retirements they don't have you know sions owning a home is their only source of wealth and stability i can tell you one hundred percent of our families thus far have not sold have not transferred except to get into cases where family members passed away and it was transferred to their children our families worked really really hard for this house and it is a source not just of wealth but of pride and i can't say that anybody's even discussed the possibility of selling if they do sell we have the right of first refusal and if they do so they do get some shared equity but habitat gets the rest so that we can use and all the funds so just like when i bought my house each year you know equity in the house grow slowly so for our families the same thing each year the equity grow slowly the difference between the market value and what we sold it to him is the silent second we call it or the shared equity amount you give them the reimbursement for any permanent improvements made to the property during their tenure of occupancy okrent christians thank you chair thank you for that line of questioning because that's one of my things is the whole deal in regards to perpetuity verses you know your twenty year and and all that  you but as i came here and see you folks are pretty adamant in your own right to continue the program that you have and you've explained it the way you know to the chair just now so i don't really have any further questions in that regards having gone through your application and what have you there was i guess you folks don't quite get how that process works with you folks you know most people don't come first i just want to say that we're not adamant about anything else far as r r policy just explaining to you what the board current board policy is  you know i can't speak for them to say whether they would change it whether they want to keep it the same i just was explaining you know when the discussion came up that's what the discussion was habitat for humanity is a licensed contractor we are a mortgage company and we're mortgage service company so in essence when a family comes to us and applies the first thing we do just like any other mortgage company has you know there's an application they have to get their taxes they have to all the things that you would do in a normal mortgage and we abide by the federal laws of we have thirty days to respond we have to either deny them or request additional information once the application is complete then it goes to a family selection committee which is mortgage lenders real estate agents all kinds of different people that come together and look at the application to see if they can afford the home we would never want to put somebody in a home that they really can't afford and then once they are approved it goes to the board of directors the board approves it and then they become a partner family that's when they start putting in sweat equity and those types of things once they complete all that my house is complete then we sell it to go through escrow just like any other house and there is two mortgages one is the first mortgage one it's the guess that's where a lot of the stumbling blocks occur is in that qualification portion and so you said it goes through a selection board  selection committee and that's all people you have selected there are volunteers there are paid paid workers or their volunteers and then we have one staff member who's  with upon closing or and it said title clear title will be determined at so it's almost telling me that when a person purchases they don't quite have the clear title is that because overall project doesn't have it or you need to get the paperwork in a row you know your ducks in a row in order to give the purchaser their clear title now we sell for a piece simple and just that section all right thank you for your time this morning chair thank you thank you misplace with questions thank you very much sure thank you very much for being here and you know i understand clearly the  differences in the models that we have here and i understand his co koreans concern about perpetuity i think it's really really important as we try to get off of this supply building affordable homes that turned out to be not affordable and so in the long run and so i think that it's important to have that but i also feel like there's room for both of these models and i've seen the habitat program in action and i think chris brought home this to me big deal big time i remember being at my first dedication of blessing of a home where the homeowner handed the key and that's an indelible memory in my mind i'm never going to forget how emotional that was to actually be there with this family all of that they went through to get that home and how much they suffered knowing that this was probably their only test to get something and they had occasion of the volunteers the dedication the people to help build i mean this is a really wonderful thing in our community and while i agree with that you know it would be nice if this were in perpetuity the kind of people that are helped by habitat i'm very unique there are people there probably would never own a home in their entire lives if they didn't have this opportunity to do the sweat equity because they just would never have the cash or the opportunity so i have a hard time to  over the other in spite of the fact that you know i do agree about we'd like to still see it stay interpretively but tear i really feel like there's room for both and i really feel like habitat for humanity is that it is unique down here in the valley we have a number of them that have been built and are being built right now so i can see room for bolt i don't release particularly like the idea that it can be so what if you cheat in future use but yet most of these people like was stated earlier that's it that's the only chance still never get another chance and in most cases they themselves if they keep it up or pass it on to family members that's the issue if i'm correct cheri and i correct in on a lot of times to other family members that is true and i agree with you that the sweat equity is huge and we require five hundred hours but i can tell you that that is just the minimum our families are building these homes i mean their engraved names on the studs inside behind the dry wall you know the the great thing is to do that they're learning how to do drywall and how to install you know plumbing and fixtures and stuff so this is their house and they take such great pride and so it's not just the wealth that they have but it's the pride and the stability that they've got and the satisfaction of the community whether the q one is the knights of columbus i don't care what organization per hour times the volunteers that put in millions tens of millions so sheri thank you very much and i think this is this project i can support wholeheartedly both because both have the end result is getting people a project which was a much bigger project because of elevator and that type of stuff so their mortgage payment might be one thousand dollars a month i don't think that there's anybody who's over a thousand dollars a month right now  so looking at what you plan to bill a home so what do you suppose the average would be it will probably range somewhere between two hundred fifty thousand and the cost of the house to three hundred twenty five thousand depending on the size of the house that we built we can do a twenty year because we're down where the mortgage company we can do a twenty year we can do a thirty year we've even done a forty year sometimes for capuano because that's the fifty the average about twelve fifty and these a single family dwelling yes is that the simple single family home you know so i don't think he has too much of an opportunity to provide you know i agree with myspace it's a great project i mean it's a no brainer in my opinion and if it means that we get to provide hudson for being here you know we've had people talk about the sweat equity that that would use as a down payment these folks don't do a down payment it's more this way that you know they actually do a down payment that it's only one percent ok and we work with them from the very beginning of time so most of our families are on a payment plan for their down payment some of them abused i d s gotten help from you know other sources such as white community assets and stuff but there's various ways to to work it out but it's generally low enough so that if they pay two hundred dollars a month by the time we're ready to go into escrow they have their down payment we're do you get the funding to support to actually give the mortgage is that through your national or is it just you guys habitat for humanity and is the ones that  has the funding for the the mortgage or how does that work you know we don't get we get support from international not in the in the in the form of money you know we get a range donated to every house that we build things to humanity international but we do have a revolving mortgage fund so those monies that come in each month we use that money again to build more homes we are in the process of i'm already five o two certified to  issue two loans through yesterday our family services manager who has had certified is getting certified as well so we hope to be able to use five o two funds for this project which i think will work really well there's also t o little bit more complex types of funding one is called zero equivalent mortgage or them and this if we're going to issue i'm going to use really really round numbers because i'm not going to mouth if we're going to issue a mortgage at one hundred thousand dollars and the mortgage payment is going to be five hundred dollars we can approach a bank and we can say will you give this family and generally bank you know do their own due to look diligence but we've already done it the bank looks out and says yeah this guy's a good candidate but we're going to give them a two percent interest rate and they get c r a credits well if it's a two percent interest their mortgage payment may be seven hundred instead of five hundred but what would it will do is will lower the cost of the house so that the mortgage payment would be five hundred and what that does is helps us because when we issue a mortgage it's over twenty years so we don't really get that hundred thousand dollars back because of inflation and that kind of stuff so weak at eighty thousand which is what we would have gotten anyway and we could use that eighty thousand right away so it's a benefit to the bank and of course it's a bennett benefit to us but it doesn't affect the family ok and that's because again these are zero interest loans is that right it's a zero equivalent mortgage and that they're still paying the same amount if the if we were issuing the mor and you mention of first in a second mortgage why do you have to if you're doing this on your own why is there first in the second the second is the restriction ok ok we have to record it we want to make sure it's recorded and do you build homes elsewhere i mean without coming to us for the foreseeable housing funds have you been able to do that before oh yeah ok so you have an image tory without affordable housing fund and some with yeah we have about fifty think i just counted it because we're in the middle of an audit fifty four mortgages were servicing right now ok this decision a long long time ago probably before you were there as far as their policy there was nobody there before me well is it possible that you can bring our concerns because i  oo think the more in perpetuity the better if these folks are getting such low rance which which are really i mean mortgage payments was a really nice they can also save if they can up it's more and more coming up that we need the importunity if it doesn't happen this time maybe the next time you come before us it might be a requirement so would you bring that up to your board and and really have a discussion with them as our international one of the core tenets of our international for us to keep our affiliate status is that we have to issue zero percent interest rates or an equivalent so you know we can't issue you know two percent interest rate but a bank can but we can adjust the sales price so that the each month is the same as if it were or equivalent to a zero percent interest so if congress moves to eliminate mortgage interest payment as a deduction deductible it would not impact your program at all since it's zero b s and shoes yeah exactly a lot of our families call us and say oh can you send of construction of one hundred fifty thousand and so it proximately about it's you know some are a little lower because of the size of the house some are a little larger we build the house according to the family size so if it were you know just you s you know added onto so if they expand their family that they have all this great experience and sweat equity they can build an addition if it's a family of you know two kids and it would be a larger house and so forth we thank you think so ok because it shows that you folks are two miles away from the nearest police and fire and the hollies one mile away from police and fire so i was just thinking are you in a whole other area because i i think this is reasonable requests from the budget office from our director we are looking at how do we look in twenty two potential spending over two point one million dollars for twenty two homes it's a lot of money and so my point is the status quo thing doesn't really work for me with in lieu fees i think we get less units than we need to meet the needs of our existing community so i would challenge all of us that we need to look at how to get more units constructed and not take in a little options as i said only because at the  day i have to come back and that's our people for additional general fund requirements to offset the difference from the affordable price to the actual price and i'm not too happy with that because lee and louise insufficient to cover the costs so for me i'm willing to wait but in lieu fees that's for another day and another discussion i'm tossing out there we need to change the strategy status quo ain't working good enough for this community neighborhood of one hundred thousand dollars per unit that you provide in the way of subsidy for projects that are done by others i looked up the costs for our project and the cost per unit and county funds only not the funds but the county funds only at this point are looking to be i believe about two hundred sixty two thousand dollars per unit so being able to provide these twenty two homes at a conservative lower cost per unit because of the involvement of these these two different non profits i think is a great step forward or during the break most of that money is going to come back to the county so it's in a different way different fund but it least it's money that the county is going to get back anyway so proposed to this body i believe myself in yourself voted against my reasoning back then was in regards to the existing community plan and what it says on the map i just slated for open space in park and that is what the you know the people about the net were led to believe when they purchased their properties and what have you and so it comes down the pipeline today and it's been changing now and no one's against affordable housing and what this is going to build out but it was just that that it's the principle of it that our predecessors here on the council of perhaps you might have been here had decided fitting for this area and then you know many years later we arrive and we change it into what we're sitting here discussing today so that was my reasoning then and then of course the whole you've heard and i appreciate you wanting to highlight this in our committee report in the whole perpetuity aspect of it or in of and one of the developers you know i am really again want to push that forward and thinks to mr coach for bringing it forward to to take a back to the board to further discuss and see how perhaps they can make that happen within their a coming future projects but you know as long as i'm around i definitely want to highlight and push that that type of  development through and you know and then there's people who feel like the original landowners don't truly own what they have they came through to a one h projects which exempted them and made them you know housing fun and so and i don't want to rehash a lot of other questions during some other committee times but you know when these projects were first proposed they obviously had a game plan and mine to even come to the table with it as in where their funding is coming from because this three point nine million that has just been found for west maui strictly dedicated for west maui literally just came to light in april of this year so now these projects that have been on the books for many years prior are coming in haiti not for these funds i understand it fits the profile of with the funds are to be utilized for and that's great but you know that's just another aspect sure of this entire project that i have had some questions and issues about but you know i will be here to support it because yes our community needs work visas to entities are set to to build for us so but those are just my comments in regards to you know my reason for not supporting it regionally but you know i will be here to support it today but definitely thank you for making sure we highlight what the body's intent is as future future projects thank you concerns and purge it all the time so finding this money where it was sitting for the longest time amazes me how no one really took a look at it we'd like to see but i think we've this is work in progress if we need to revisit other portions of our affordable work force policies or what have you  then so be it we need to do it but at least we're moving forward i mean i sometimes cringe when we're here talking about affordable housing because it hasn't happened really and  campaign a month ago was affordable housing very interesting because we were all running on affordable housing and when we look at what we've been able to do it's kind of discouraging it's a tough nut to crack and i think finally everybody's got i think the entire community has gotten it this has to be a painter again emphasis has to be put on it so again i'm very happy to be here to support this and yes it's not perfect but you know every thought about how sick got that gets built helps and it's better than that horrible one that i heard a few years ago so we're making progress thanks thank you there is no further items before the committee mr baez any other comments you want to wish before we adjourn and i know mr just think you and your committee staff and as well as all the council members for a productive day today appreciate  very much members no further business before this body we are