so and i think this probably leads into your first argument so we'll get it going with this question the in claim one the pattern recognition system limitation now why based on the disclosure of the ide this is starting at column six lines forty six and so forth you're familiar with that the disclosure that the  pattern recognition system in the preferred embodiment comprises the cognex fifteen hundred system why should we not understand pattern recognition system to constitute the  all that we program although we make the system do that commerce alone does not do that when you say cognex alone does not do that meet the the pattern recognition function record right that's right that's the outcome but where do i find the place where you explain how it is that you achieve that outcome meaning anybody can claim an outcome but but the question is whether a claim limitation compass is certainly aspects to see whether in fact those aspects are enabled in the written description because if they're not it certainly makes it harder for us to conclude that a particular limitation doesn't compas those features are citations that were distinguished by us in the prosecution history is just a repeat of that crime so we have your user user selectable and here's the sort of point it just difficulty of reprogramming i know you're going to be doing some programming one way or another if i understand your definition of learning and the using the prom just requires you to so it's a it's a it's a major distinction between the hardware systems of curse our leader and the karmic system which all you need to do is is take a bit half and quietly put in the system and that's that now there are several other main church construction issues but all of them come back to this argument are your time of operation and as i said it again that that position is simply not supported specification so let's talk about include among other things the vast majority of chinese care that's interesting because by saying the vast majority of excluding all therefore that on its own that declaration mr we when you when you say can't recognize all i mean is that a function of the fact that some of them are simply have strokes that are so close together or whatever they don't don't make suitable distinctive i would think that the a system of a certain level of sensitivity simply wouldn't be able confidently to make use of that particular shape i would  i'm sure i mean if you will speed selecting shapes in part because of their utility as as very reliable indicators to a very high degree of specificity and accuracy of location some talking addressing the policy question underlying this form of anticipation why do you think that your brother than simply saying well this is the way the cases line up can you can you address judge  if there's a sale you know between let's say which is denominated a sale but it's between two entities of the same company and they listed it's a sale because they have an accounting system that does that probably wouldn't count w as to why there's some difference between this kind of sale and the kind of sale in which a secret of sale between one entity one sub of a company and another sub the same company would not a this is a very good point to raise and i'm glad that you just did it it comes up a lot in these cases where there are often quite expansive claims of confidentiality often made in the district court and simply continued  into the court of appeals without a lot of additional thought being given to the consequences for us of having to navigate through a whole raft of claims of confidentiality this isn't as extreme as some cases but is there still a lot of confidential material now my question to you and also to mr russo is that is there any couper concern of materials that you think that in an opinion we ought to steer clear of that you would like to specifically identify are you prepared to say that anything we would say that we would draw from the materials even whether them are confidential are not in this case you have no objection to seeing some well i guess the specific question i'd like you to focus on is is there any material as to which you have made a claim of confidentiality that you would not be prepared to waive at this point is such a big inventive gap so to speak between the basic cognex and its capacities and the capacities that are receded in the pattern recognition system limitation in claim one of the patent where is that inventive process described in the written description other than that are so merrily and conclusive really in figure eight