i have a change ok just one i never do good on the payroll bills i did not have we have no stray industrial districts we do have some light industrial districts and most of them are along the east or west of course of the township here on charters create value a little bit of area along in part because of residential developments request by property owners to be able to develop at different rates so that we need to look at you know is there an appropriate area where we could create additional zones in your industrial or special research special breed rural resource areas that would permit industrial type use experts to look at the environmental effects because where we have control issues if it's environmentally based we can't control operations but if it impacts the environment then we of that that's an issue in the part of my pas and my concern is i don't know you township well enough in terms of what i can look at the map but it's nice to sit with my to say we can't do it here because of this kid to be here so i'm  before we have that discussion probably would be useful to do the research on what the research truly and even if we can do that and i think the alternative would be to to have a heavy industrial zone here under sheria it's been suggested that there might be one solution in the room and personally i'm not quite so sure of it but not having a reasonable area that you're going to rise and being heavy industrial you know it was sure if you're right the problem is with peter's you're because you're in washington county really the first municipality that municipalities have a little easier job in the more rural areas because there's plenty of land out there so you're right because we look behind us in st clair about eleven and they have a much bigger problem they don't have almost any leant but one spot and because your neighbor communities are all being drilled in the infrastructure to allow for that gas to be moved to to some extent i think peter's going to be when the first ones up where you have such a build out community and  horizontally knowing that there's ways to work this you've got this double edged sword we've got to review the map see we can't spot and that's to your point we can't just drop use into a comedy night i think that's we talked about the past about what the overlays all to really may have been perceived done by the court so now we're down to placing the final areas on your map that may or may not even be occupied there may be an industrial part of the township that's full of industrial activity right now that we would do maybe zone industrial we would something into a residential area but given what we know now about the peters township area and the number of residents there we have to be conscious of any decision we make that's going to impact residen accommodate that we can you know discount what the residents right in that's really where we were we are we look at this map as to we can't put it in just because there's an open space because residents maybe factory and we've got constitutional constraints always around that we have to deal with them the best way to look at it would be would survive a spot zoning challenge if it wouldn't then it's probably want to help but yeah that you are in have such a heavy residential population and  becomes a dilemma to try to not necessarily accommodate you know we have drilling in the township right now it's coming from other municipalities so we know they can reach certain areas from far away but the idea is we want to make sure that any legal use in pennsylvania is accommodated in your municipality to the extent it can be even if it's physically can't be but legally that we allow for it but the question is where it is a big load to carry for the staff to decide that they're going to pick where that twenty one of the board simply because all of you know your district a municipality is there is there any kind of legislation arguments made according to the timing of something for example as we said there are a lot of resin places in peter's where residents fled and they might be somewhat isolated we have them in clusters but then we have people on the periphery you know in a different area if you do identify wonder that expire for four more months maybe we have about four months to do something and it doesn't mean it cannot it can't change over time you might say well for now we're going to park the uses in this district that existence it's whatever district industrial district and we know we may want to expand upon that as to your point as to who was there first you know people versus an industry that's what zoning does your zoning map has already identified the uses that are comparable it should be the expectation that goes back to the whole argument with the state law so now it's back again on locally on our laps as to where to go in for me when i look at this map would look for the other maps and municipalities i work with this is so tight that it doesn't look like a lot period so i don't see why we should change from that i mean why should we be jogging around and trying to figure out where we need to put a whole lot of sun until the first thing we're doing remember go away because we had a conversation between you saying something that would be probably blue on that map would have to be one of those areas based on the criteria that we used to set up the overall as a center but there's are there are some areas director emails to the staff not to me ok ok also the next item on the agenda is audience comments this is a opportunity for any member of the audience to come forth and speak on an item that is not on the agenda you have five minutes to do so and is there anyone in the audience that would like to speak at this time on a non agenda item to request that the township allow us to delay paving the final wearing course in the name of springville phase two until the spring and that was mainly because we are still doing construction phase three of the hamlet and  the main thruway to get to these areas so the construction traffic would probably damage a negatively impact that fall where in course first date set forth because we think that our area here the weather is you know pretty up and down and we've paved in november and december when it's been fifty five degrees been hard to predict and phase three we have a fourteen lot souping up over seventy percent in the border being committed to if we don't get to pave all the done before the winter hits then we would probably potentially lose a lot of those contracts going into the spring because people would like to get started and we really have no desire to pay blue forty degrees which is the threshold we would just like the opportunity to pave if the situation allows us that is above forty degrees after  course but it will it probably won't be by the october thirty first deadline so you're asking for latitude as to whether to get it in by and we're trying to get it in before the end of the year as weather permits and or th committing to get it any getting it installed in spring of two thousand we would like to get it in before the winner gets rather than wait until the spring yes what are your concerns about them paving later those two separate requests really the one is for the wearing course and it's pretty similar to what we ran into like a euro to deal with when he should point you know just that one was different because it took a while to build out and they kept coming back in for extensions and  we already granted mr hoskins want to extension until the end of october and in my opinion he's correct you know there's going to be some construction traffic coming in phase two to accommodate phase three so it almost makes sense caviar because it's standard operating procedure that you know before his paper comes in to put the final where in course i walk through it with him we fully identify any present the facts any cracks that need to be repaired any base fears they'd be repaired and then the final one of course gets put mr mr sylvester is correct that we we would allow paving past the november first deadline but what are warning states is that the stone sub base has to go down before november first and the reason for that is just basically moisture content you get to this time of the year you have no drying days whatsoever you know this stunning was we you know temperatures are one of the theory is that you know if that base course that road subgrade could be saturated if first at that point it's a crapshoot kind of in terms of paving you know if if if the conditions are appropriate if it's dry and it's about forty degrees and the temperatures are rising then we would allow the developer to pave in some countries paved in december  you know just get the road prepped in the sub base and maybe it's not the full extent of what you want but as long as you can get that in by the first you know that's an option to maybe get a couple of watts that you could you could have paved road to you know my only other thought  you know option b would be kind of what mrs merrill alluded to already if if we were to allow an exception in this case or any any time in the future a developer wanted to come we would just ask for an extended mate and spawn instead of the eighteen months you know maybe you double that to a three year mate and spawn so that gives us some type of comfort level that if you know the conditions aren't her ordinance well wow special exception but in  route just get in in town in the extent of it has been something we could definitely explore because we'll be still working on that site for at least another three or four years so that also makes it easier if there is some deterioration that we can fix it because we'll still be paving we have five we're trying to have a sixty's now so we're really in the third phase of what we're planning to work in there for at least another six or seven years so we will always be on site to repair any issues in make sure that the roads are maintained in the way they're supposed to be allow caving in the hamlets of spring down to be continued beyond the november first state into the balance of the year as long as weather permits with inspections to be it's on a state road which would require highway occupancy permit before we would issue a building permit in addition to that there is planning module requirements required by the state as ways to see a teary authority which will need to be completed  would have to still designate at that point in time all of the open space my question is will they react then have to develop a whole player for the balance of the property i think that's potential if they want to come in request for sponsorship for local sure account grants the first one is resolution authorizing peters creek charioteer authority to apply for a local sure car grant in the amount of one hundred twenty two thousand five hundred dollars for the lower becomes roa they're also asking for a significant contribution from the township we did that in discussions to be somewhere in the tune of about ten thousand dollars a year and that's what we have to contribute ten thousand and little vague it doesn't talk about the amount of money it doesn't talk about what is offsetting and it doesn't identify the specifics that you just stated to us so i don't in general disagree with the concept of assisting and participating peters township sanitary authority service part of the time which could just create serves the other part they haven't asked for the same accommodation so if we do it for peter township singletary i would presume you would all be willing to do it from peter's creep but that doesn't that's not on the table right now my concern is that this doesn't state what you just burble he stated well are are are are purposely did not put that in the project is certainly far less than what you know i'm not sure that there's going to be a need for that and i don't know how you know these two projects will be part of a bunch of projects that are going to be competing for grant money through the hour say and that specific funding of money and i'm sure that i'm sure that you know i would be very surprised if peters township center jordan gets the three million you know probably a number significantly less than that and  suspect that the number that peters creek is asking for is probably more in line with what they probably will get but i think one of the things you got to keep in mind is that that given the scope of this project it's going to have a tremendous impact on rate and we have a chance to mitigate that impact by putting a little bit of money aside it's a prepaid expense to help them because those are both point yeah ok should have been your municipality participate to get three billion dollars in your that tells you what the impact of that is going to be but you're not going to do what a project that's twenty five million dollars not impact here and i'm not arguing that point i think that that's the same thing that the peters creek sanitary people are feeling because of the arrests made that they were forced into with not again i'm not trying to be negative about doing this i just want it all to be spelled out because we're dealing with an authority that affects part of the township and doesn't affect the other part of the township but the money for the whole township is being committed so i'm just asking the question creek regional act five thirty seven plan for two reasons one is based on some recent court decision they're able to take advantage of a blending requirements for the wet weather today from representatives from the campers labor committee apparently they're also looking to apply for a grant from the this is the same as our part there's the one part for sewer and water projects and then there's park plot for new school proving it's another type of economic development project and that's what ours is in thousand five hundred fifty nine dollars and seventy six cents for a state pension fund uses about forty some forty five thousand less than last year the amount is down this year based on the amount of tax they get carried six to zero next item on the agenda pay roll their bills to review the payroll bills i would know that there were some very significant church this month hundred thirty four thousand to the fire rel particular case if the failure is one of posting in a timely basis all the information is they are but that it's some of it was posted  a month or two late and even though it used to be that even though it was they are down that would not warrant a disclosure so that needs to be that eventually needs to be disclosed our situations actually better than most because we of the information that that has been needed to be disclosed so as of today the information is all up to date and has been for for quite some time so why is it  manual because if we're going to make a policy and change it each time i i think it's not what happened so i don't disagree with your idea but i think where the talking are both sides of our mouth board member attendance and also if you can find out who's interested in committing to another term those who are up for where point meant doesn't always come here on well he just it takes a while to people respond to him i was just suggesting that we can ask the purchasing manual question if we're going to revise that if we're going to change  discretionary whether we post to work or for sale and then mr lauer i hacked down plummets your handbook approval by asking for that to be paid when would you want those responses i have mine almost