with the district offices if they're on line on little and on up on are you there thank you but we have four items on today's agenda i would like to begin by making public testimony on the four agenda items and we limited to those items and those items only first of all if you are in the gallery and have signed up to speak there is a table in the lobby to sign up the state your name and who else whom you may be representing and we've again established our contact with i district office in the district offices and we w let me nice do you have anyone wishing to testify and that's to gain the comedians receipt of comic communication correspondence on september twenty second two thousand and fifteen from them at transmitting a proposed resolution entitled relating to the recreation effect it was at one time to put a director and he in here with us for many many years and i know mr home very very well and so i despise him i would like to ask mr molina if you give a little background on mr hell and then we'll go right into deliberation just a molina thank you very much mr chairman the committee members mr chair you pretty much us that had all this to help as you know the county employee in with the county for many years and it was our former deputy  director of the parks department he also previously served on the liquor commission so mr helm has a lot of prior experience with liquor issues so it ministration feels that he would be a very a well qualified to serve in this capacity on  sounds familiar also i know his sister stacy is here today and so that everyone is aware there is no conflict in stacy voting for her brother he's also happens to be a cousin of mine so it doesn't make a difference for family it doesn't make a difference and so i want the public to understand at we've already checked into that and we have a ruling that says there is no conflict of interest so if any members have a problem let willingness to serve once again i don't number two nominations to boards committees and commissions this is sort of cost a government commission the i a e a to nineteen the committee receive correspondence on september twenty second two thousand and fifteen from them at jan's meeting a resolution entitled relating to the appointment of any alvarado to the cost of government commission along with the completed act application form noted on her application she has a basket mount of government experience in various capacities she is currently employed by the pacific whale foundation and has certain expressed an interest in serving our county in this crucial capacity here on the cost of government commission i recently resigned and for a term which will expire march thirty first two thousand and  here before you to explain what my interests are in serving the county of maui my my interests are our wide in a very tall i've been a public servant for many years i dedicated my life to public service inspired by my parents and in my own situation growing up in very abject poverty and in south texas i always wanted to to better the lives of people i dedicated my my entire career to helping others and i just can't seem to sit still apparently i see an opportunity where i can also serve the community in a way that i've never been able to serve before because i've always been a miniscule a federal a state a local or employee so this is my first time and i'm excited to be here that i would actually be able to serve a government entity something that i believe in and something that i studied i have lots and lots of experience and really the will and tenacity to do good to improve how our government operates to improve you know how the living conditions the people of maui that is my only interest in being here i humbly and here before you i'm thankful for your consideration  actually grateful for it i'm just a public servant and like your previous appointee i think served here but i've served our country all over the country and even  internationally many many capacities that i've held i have worked for two governors and a president but don't hold that against me ok it can be pretty interesting but always my interest is public policy serving the public doing the right thing stream the ethical caring about how programs were operate to create efficiency so that we can serve more more efficiently we can save the public money the administration of president bill clinton i was assigned to the department of agriculture u c l a and i was doing rule development policy i helped with empowerment zones in enterprise communities when we were we were the ones that put plucked literally by the u s treasury department and i did i worked on something called community development a financial institution i was the lead role policy writer for that in texas my first job when i worked for the governor of texas i honestly i didn't even know i was working for the governor ok i mean i was just grateful to have a job in which showed up every day and and all the sudden you know when i left he said oh did you know you were in first for the governor experience in rural texas that you know piqued their interest at the treasury department because i had worked with communities throughout the state texas has over two thousand counties and literally i've been in every one of them over the time that i was there and so they wanted someone that could help them with policy capacity building access to capital and trying to level the playing field of rural and urban in urban areas and so i have a great of love for the rural communities i was also the real development director for the state of arizona so you're trying to see a trend here you know i did work with city of phoenix yes ok that i did that but my my first true love quite honestly is with a heritage but ginger rogers had to do everything backwards in for me she had to be better and fred astaire because all his moves that were fancy she mastered them while going backward so my feeling is that in rule communities there's a lot of sentiment sometimes that they are backward well i applaud them because they're ginger rogers they're better in the urban areas because they have to be more resilient they have to have more stamina and they have to be more creative of how they build their businesses and grow their farms and grow their families so that's it thank you fit right in with our medical reaction and other communities that i belong on and you fit right kitchen and i am impressed i think the background you have it's very relevant i just wondered if you could share with us is there anything that you are going into a new commission is there anything that you are already thinking that you know about that you might want to get involved in knowing the rules of the cost the government commission what i learned in all my policy making yours and working with governors in local government and working with residents lot of civic engagement is the first thing you do is you listen you don't come in michael bull in a china store i'm here to learn i'm here to become entrenched slowly into the policies and procedures in the formalities of maui county i cannot be helpful to you if i walk in take it all let me tell you how this is going to go i am here to serve you and everyone here and all the citizens of maui the best way to serve them is to listen and to be a neutral person when it's essential to be neutral to reflect that excellent answer and just one more question any concern about the time it's in both with th you know it's very disturbing that people get on commissions and boards then unable to attend and up because the real problem in trying to get quorum so is there and the concern about that well having had to have tapped commissions to do that i know how miserable that is for the entities that are trying to push policies forward so i certainly understand the importance of attending every meeting and to be prepared and of doing the work  this wonderful body of government is asking me to do if you so choose to do that ok what thank you very very much and we appreciate your volunteer and i think it bring a lot to the to the commission thank you thank you thank you so much also as a matter of fact our island didn't compete and the empowerment zone will itself we always say we keep runner up that you had a fingerprint in that process to help helping us make the finals for the enterprise community thank you so i understand where you're coming from though other than that thank you for in part of our my we thank you it's it's a blessing to be auditor position and this cost of government committee is the committee that has been in place since i believe one nine hundred seventy six that correct so i think that you know we had some things like that when i was in phoenix where we had an auditor then the council decided to create an efficiency and sustainability committee and there was a little like struggle you know an overlap but i think that clarifying  the position of the commission versus the the role of the auditor really faddle very nicely i don't think that there is a conflict the way it's been written in taken care of i think i think that it's best to guard ourselves not to step into things that are not within our realm you know to be respectful of everybody's roles and responsibilities so people of mel we decided to establish the charter amendment i'm an auditor and it's it's an adjustment and i see this happening very nicely i mean this back and forth and i have no issue with back and forth debate it's good debate it's a great thing to make  government and it seemed to me that everybody was asking all the right questions and ultimately it's a community that really does need to have a voice in government and that that voice off needs to be tempered habits broken crystal yes yes exactly right well in the tennis up on the on he does damage and does no good in general and so i am very confident now in this thing to you and your background and your approach to all of these matters and i think you'd be a great addition to our cost of government and so we'll see what the vote goes but i feel very confident and you know you bring a lot to the table so thank you very very much and your experience is you going back to assess a nation of john f chair would like to entertain a motion to adopt the proposed resolution in title relating to the appointment of any alvarado to the cost of government commission sobel second it's been moved by mr border review and to express any concerns relating to the appeals in pursuant to section three point four eight point six three five floppy county code so mr walker if you'd like t the report you see in front of you pretty much tells the story if you look at the back page the summary of the border is a decision five hundred for the area two thousand and fourteen fifteen total of five hundred fifty five appeals and you see it before you the totals for up sustain revised stipulation withdrawals and pending stipulations the report is from the chairman of the chairman and the board of review on the overview of what iran to ran into over the year for two thousand and fourteen if you look through the report a they do address some issues about short term rental homes concerns on page two of the report that they brought out from the pew thousand and thirteen report that they just wanted to bring up to the council use us to review proposed legislation i guess they were just looking at if any legislation to review with them or to any opinions from them and a troubling issue the timing of a purchase that just refers to the buying and selling of  property during the year how that affects your classification you might have run into that years before or if you buy a property at a certain time of the year it affects you or it doesn't affect you in the end we look at what  the valuations and the assessment are at a certain point in time so that you force going to your budget and everything else other things that had come up was so much so much of it just was we're going to this is when you do the certification of real property correct that's march or april something there's a there's a schedule right that's right what is it what is that what is the date so march we do our survey we do our certification april ninth is when they can do  it when people lie for example later in the ear there their home exemptions may change your so that happens all the time but we need a certain point in time so that we can value and certify value classification at a certain point in time what happens after that again we look at the next year for that we see in other jurisdictions where they do plus and minus over the year and it in the end it's kind of a wash but more so that's important for you folks during the budget time of year so we know where the money the values and the monies will be coming from thank you for that referencing continue i'm sorry on the same page page two more a cry and on my visitation what the blown board review hearing for the whole day so that was their that's their prerogative and so we applied to that past year there hasn't been too many of us from openly and at times it might be more helpful to be if they one of the on what we might be travelling to mali anyway the two thousand and fourteen year there was just one that had occurred that was done over the phone where with there was a conference call with the board and they took the testimony that way term rental home classification at that time in two thousand and fourteen there were some appeals on short term rental and during that time also the classification also changed during that time short term rental homes were initially set at hotel resort during that time period i'm not sure if you remember it finally was done by the council at the classification went to commercial so at that in between time the board felt like or they had to make a decision there was nothing there is nothing in the law for them to work with so in in most of their decisions they actually went to commercial and so the council also did change the classification and at that time that's what it came out to be they also talked about the there might be significant specific lease talk about the need for being finding a full time hall your residence income tax that's what they're looking for and the ordinance also refers it as the report address so what the staff has been doing is when we get in when we receive the information of what your state tax returns they reported us and your state rep tax returns if that's not an address in my we can't be as the ordinance states we do follow up and disallow the homeowners exemption the the board was having a hard time with that when people come in  about their reported address for whatever reason that they had filed or state hawaii income tax and they did not report your address in what he but someplace else on the main and or other places so they had problems with that with the board there weren't many just a few but that's all the board had seen still that's what they had concerns on on big benefit and there are a lot of different ways your people can file their taxes and put their addresses someplace else other than and we're not sure it's hard to tell where it is so it's so for us it  language how would we how would you suggest we go about determining whether the person lives in the house because that's one of the requirements i think the reason why we put you did not put the address to get where you were living that if you want it you should be putting it you should put your address on your state return if that's your reason for you know you want to get the homeowners exemption  people file state income tax you're not thinking where is account and not thinking ok i also want the one exemption on my way and they might be have their own reasons to put a different address but then forget that ok in order address make a definition on it so stiff it for them and then at least they can learn that that's what i need to get my home an exemption and then i'll do that on my tax return that's what we have short term rental keep the arch short term rental the owner has to be on the property and i was not sure when they had written this what was not being understood how it just get the information from planning as to what has been approved so the difference is the use it seems to be similar to the board i'm not sure if they understand  short term rental when you're going to be are and so i i i'm sorry but i don't understand too much on this issue here why it was a high issue sure that we don't have a problem that is basically why we're having all these problems is because reinterpretation we need to make sure that we get away from that we're going to have to obviously we cannot with it over here it's lowered the agenda for us to i do agree we try to get as many much interpretation as possible out of the laws we produce and the policies unfortunately when you have attorneys and others there was always going to be some interpretation so let's make it as clear as possible fifteen minutes and we're going to be closing the meeting so you know we will also allow one to give his presentation and you know and we get into question and so i will probably be different this matter also i would be nice if all nine were he had to discuss not only  thousand and fifteen from the county cook reporting that on may twenty sixth two thousand and fifteen the council referred the matter relating to an audit of scheduling practices and other causes of extensive  amount of extensive amounts of overtime incurred by the department of fire and public safety members when you do this you'll find a portion of the minutes from the april sixth two thousand and fifteen budget and finance com here white was the one that wanted this brought up and i so i sold scheduling i was hoping he would be here but since he's not mr murray murray would you like to sit there with a little is appropriate we only provide overtime when necessary for shortages and or large events or events that cause us to need more  manpower and of course you know shortage coverages which is sometimes daily so yeah i do remember this conversation at last budget so i welcome this if if the have any hard questions but i think it's an important matter to take a look at is if this is to be looked at because there might be some concern about you know how much we've used or whether it's appropriate or not i think we need to have some we usage may be for the last two years twelve thirteen fourteen because i think you would have those figures available for us and specifically i would be asking for a breakdown would be for emergency purposes and the mountain and now you've got to go look for them and so with that being said chief or brush fires don't always happen at nine in the morning and by five in the afternoon we wish but with that being said you know so really i compare some so and fourteen is what you're requesting if i me if you me the three years i think is the last three years and i think that would be very appropriate you know right then and you know plus we talked about the helicopter and expense of the helicopter flights you know how does that all come together with your manpower expenses to look up the expenses so the public has a better understanding of why you know we use what we do and how we use it but i think more important in this case we want to read it over time and why all right was meant that you have anything that you you know we have to you know what you don't have the information and i apologize for not putting that forward but we will bring it forward when you have ascertained this information and most importantly i would hope that at that time we could have most of them and if not all the members here to hear that because i think that's very important because doing budget that's one of the be concerned every but just as soon as the overt act well but your department police and i think the other one is generally our center like water and parks so  the body to be aware that this was just referred as a matter of there's no presentation attached to it at this time i understand understandable and so at this point i just want to make sure that before we go to the next step we have the necessary information  deserves more attention we need to get more information i think this is very very important if we're going to do a good job in helping both departments do their job so with no further discussed in a meeting of the public