clear and all the records and my question then in trying to fit this with when her hand raised is in each of those cases they had actual downloading or pictures a word or there was where i think the court is very clearly indicated that you have to have some evidence of the actual possession that there are any number of ways the f b i could have done this it's not as this is a situation where the information it existed four paragraphs alleging any specific information about mr gorton namely and limited to his credit card information e mail address with no suggestion that there was any transmission subscribed and even then the court required that there was at least found that the evidence was sufficient in the war because there were specific images that were indisputably contraband that the f b i demonstrated were that the liver and received regardless of your intention of being at that point in the internet they the government would have probable cause indefinitely to search your home and your personal computer i submit your honor that that simply cannot be correct morning your honor may it please the court morning and counsel for the appellate my name is janet freeman and i represent the united states in this matter i was trial counsel in the district court i would like to get right to the heart of the case and in the world of virtual reality things are a little bit depressed than they were before the onslaught of the use of the computers and in making these arguments today i do not mean  merely clicking on a website is sufficient for the probable cause analysis and for the fourth amendment purpose instead what i am saying is that the virtual reality of computers is such along with other items and other evidence presented in the affidavits that when you do have data which has been transmitted received downloaded by whatever name you wish to call it it can give rise to a basis to believe that evidence will be found at a place where you think it will required to a permanent steps required and that is you first have to find this right which has the name will the two girls and we've talked about that a little bit in my grief and that term lolita girls does have a i think the record shows that when you get on the site you will see the picture that you can see that is a list which represents something that you can keep permanently in your computer or another so you're saying the computer is now downloaded in your computer that i in addition to the other things presented probable cause signing up to the website means that a person will speak this is a child pornography website just being on the front pages are the ones that i am a complete weirdo i i'm too lazy and so they keep telling me that i'm a member and so i'm just like you know keep going and and i have good intentions of getting my books but i always forget to get them every month what is there is i mean they probably sell books that someone might consider pornography why why shouldn't the officers of the agency had to go in and they had plenty of time to do in the four months and confirm whether he did or didn't order or look at  whatever you evidence that images appeared on a website those images therefore at a minimum have been downloaded onto the customer's computer that person who is a repeat chain customer of a child pornography website who does not remove himself from a child pornography website and by the very specific features of that website this is a person who has instant access to thousands of pictures of pre teen cutely girls and when you combine now that with the child pornography collector evidence that broke or profiling evidence which in this c