well the planning committee meeting about this for two thousand and sixteen please come to order my name is don couch and the chair of the committee first thing's first everybody please turn your cell phones on silent mode please we won't we meeting and council chair mike white morning and we don't have any non voting members with us at this time we may have one later from the planning department we have mr will will be here shortly he's walking down the aisle now and from deputy corporation counsel we have michael hopper morning and we have our legislative attorney greg our no good morning good morning and committee secretary secretary pauline martens good morning and on a district office we have done lono we'll introduce the folks that are going to be here as resources as their item comes up we have four items on the agenda today members p c thirty seven two which is increasing the a majority of available housing rule as a rule seven b and it's  a little bit of a report not a report on the tick but some comments on the tick then p c twenty nine which is the annual compliance report of key high school and p c twenty five which is the annual compliance report of maui business park phase individuals testifying in the chamber please sign up at the desk outside the chamber door if testifying from a remote testimony site please sign up with district office staff testimony will be limited to the items on the agenda today the ones that i just announced pursuant to the rules of the counsel each testify will be allowed to testify for up to three minutes per item and we'll be using a lighting system the light will be green for three minutes yellow for one minute and then at four minutes the light will turn red and please wrap up your comments when testifying please state your name and any of organizations you may be representing members without any objection show we have public testimony  all right the first one i have signed up to testify is actually going to be the first two you guys are going to be resource people so you don't need to test fire unless you want to testify know you're fine ok that's what i thought ok they're going to be the resource people so after that we have andrew bearer followed by mike moran school twenty sixteen by two thousand and sixteen shirt so we got to brackish wells by two thousand and sixteen just give you an overview that this project has been funded since two thousand  so we're now in our thirteenth fiscal year of funding but don't worry the the deal he hasn't built a high school since two thousand so nobody else has jumped in front of us in line there aren't any other districts who have gotten the high school before us our big push is to just keep pushing this thing and see if we can ever get it built  as a condition of the county granted zoning changes to the land the zoning changes and community plan changes that you have granted the deal we must provide by annual updates to the council and that is what we are reviewing today where we are right now just to give you an update is thirty million dollars was released in fiscal year fifteen there was one hundred thirty million dollar appropriation and as you know one hundred million dollars was hidden in a stuffy fund nobody could ever explain where or why it still may be in that fund but the governor was able to release thirty million dollars in fiscal year fifteen for phase one grading and infrastructure in addition thirty seven point five million for phase one construction was approved in this current fiscal year fiscal year seventeen so we had thirty bid out for phase one for grading and infrastructure a low bidder was identified and hopefully the contract will be awarded very soon i have read the report from superintendent m and i want to make a few clarifications number one the language is a little bit confusing to the lay person and also you know to everyone out there especially with some of the political rhetoric that's out on the street right now so clarification in the report phase one and two is referred to in different contexts imminently there is phase one of grading and phase two which is a begin construction the document also refers to phase one enrollment and phase to enroll in it so phase one enroll meant would be the first eight hundred fifty students after the first buildings are completed phase to enroll men would be up to six hundred students when they would need to build more buildings for a greater population as you go through those report my biggest concerns it's fairly benign in that it's your standard  government document in that it addresses the basic status of of the conditions that the deal he has to report on but my biggest concerns that i'd like the  council to question the deal we are on is that the current report for phase one grading has a proceed date of twenty eighteen now in the council chair white's minutes  refers to an enrollment date of twenty eighteen twenty eighteen is phase one grading date that's when they can first scrape the land ok that it's going to take two years to scrape fill and go to tw first beginning of construction would start two thousand and twenty and the soonest you would be able to maybe put students in there would be twenty twenty five i'm in a unique need to question the grading why the proceed date is so hopefully i know that there's permits and in to be required but hopefully we can work with the contractor to get them in there scraping away and while some of these other permits are done concurrently i've also seen the big spender can you can you wrap it up it's been four minutes ok i'll wrap it up real quick i've also seen the bits back and the current bits back has the grading of the land and english like said would be two thousand and twenty with the contractor grassing over the area until further construction phase would begin whenever that would begin that gives you the idea that you're going to put sixty million at that point over sixty million dollars into this project it will be past twenty twenty and we'll be looking at a grass hill if you can help us push this project along we'd much appreciate it thank you thank you members in the questions of the test fire thank you and thank you andrew i have that highlighted in my thing that you had some big question good morning to your couch and committee members mike doran for the key community association and we're on two items this morning b c twenty nine which will start with and then p c twenty seven  chair white and to director spence on this topic we are testifying this morning to ask you to do your utmost to ensure that as we proceed with this war overdue project that the overall walkable bike will community is in cooperated with coordination between our county departments and the state agencies we wish to ensure that south now is students as well as teachers and staff of the school or able to walk and cycle to the new school in a safe and practicable manner we celebrated when the condition was set by the state land use commission that in over or underpass of the following pilani highway for walking and bicycling to access access to school we direct you to condition to a in b in this document a chair we celebrated this week the official opening of the key key hate bikeway face to impart to facilitate this healthy transportation method for the elementary and middle school students while we continue to champion moving forward on phase three proceeding southward across the community park we cannot neglect extending phase one north word to interconnect with an east west greenway extending from south kia road to the highway to make to make this safe underpass connection in the area of columbia koyo and to a state and we quote pedestrian and bicycle access to and from the school campus to connect to current and future protests tree and bicycle networks in the vicinity of the campus and thus that's the key a greenways and to be states in part bicycle friendly improvements on the school campus we can drastically reduce motor vehicles in the area twice each day vehicles obviously there are way more areas of imperative concern in this document civil defense archeological for and for the drainage drainage very important and other environmental concerns but for these three commission at the land use committee at past council meetings k c a did all that everyone including the three wind youth committee meetings in this chamber an evening meeting in  maui and at a site visit continuously asking for conditions to offer relief of air traffic concerns to be imposed on residents of kauai heaney and the surrounding streets to little avail we now have to deal with an approved project now under construction it is our understanding and we believe yours as well chair that the developer now says sorry i'm only following the impose conditions and not community  after the fact recently we had communication with some of these residents concerned with the condition of congo heaney so we mention this morning's meeting and this item on the annual compliance report and you will hear from some of them this morning what will be the outcome are they told you should have been here then even though a community for you was here then speaking your concerns b p said this morning on the advice to wait for another year for another project are those smaller and one hundred percent affordable comes to fruition which would be required to fix the entire road then one of that falls through to the citizens have any recourse we next up is dave thomas and then we'll go to the district offices telling you here's how we do it on the mainland i'm a commoner who's been here for a long time and i'm here because i'm deeply concerned about what is happening now with development and what is not happening with infrastructure in my neighborhood i know this area is about amy's compliance and i'm guessing that they are in compliance i commend them for their efforts to keep us informed as a neighborhood and to keep the dust down but my my point and my neighbors is that they are complying with the flawed project that you approved and it needs to grave reservations about this during the approval process but approved it anyway extra turning lanes won't solve this only another way in and out we've suggested since early in the year an easy remedy at least it appears to us of taking the existing intersection which is just down the monsanto farm and punch in a road that's only a few hundred feet into the backside of comma lani over the past several months we've had several different reasons on why not even and the reason seems to change each time i don't have a problem with a and b they're doing what they were approved to do so what i'm asking you to do is look at the situation not as a legislators but as the caretakers of our island in the stewards of our community that you've agreed to be related to this is  village project at the top of the hill that will use the same intersection with an additional two hundred homes so if that does get built that will be eleven hundred homes using an intersection that was built for our two hundred eighty three kawhi street as m touched on has not been repaid in thirty years and that repaving is being held hostage if you will for this other project and the other project that was approved for an extension looks really doubtful in fact the for sale sign just went back up a couple days ago on the fence  so in closing i strongly urge and ask to do the right thing for our community by correcting the significant flaw in the colony project by adding another way in and out thank you thank you mr thomas members any questions the testifier see none thank you all right let's go to the district office thank you ladies if there is anybody coming up before we close public testimony just let the staff know thank you anybody else in the gallery wishing to testify going once ok seeing nine without any objection will close public testimony ok public testimony is closed thank you ladies on july nineteenth at that meeting the committee formed arctic to me which is a temporary investigative group to make findings and recommendations on policies relating to increasing the county's house so housing inventory the committee received correspondence dated july twenty eighth two thousand and sixteen from the tig chair council member ellie cochran transmitting a legislative proposal seeking some changes to the scope of the investigation and general rules for the operation of the tig the committee subsequently received revised legislative proposal from the chair by correspondence dated august second twenty sixteen the two chairs request is to add two additional items to the list of things that tig is assigned to investigate these two items are noted under the scope of investigations as items one s and one t in addition the tic chair has requested the dates for the to exist investigation to be extended through september twenty eighth twenty one thousand with a report do the planning committee this committee by october six twenty sixteen this one enable this committee to take a full discussion of the to report on october twentieth twenty sixteen my recommendation is for the committee to adopt these changes but before we do that i believe that the council member cochran has additional general rules number six i would like to change the months from three to two being that we change the due date to october so it's kind of housekeeping really  this information in front of them what the the two items that you want to add sure items s and t and members that are part of the take that would be page two guidelines just really do not fit the true ford ability of our residents here and so i'd like that as an item for us to look through and you know dig into to see truly what is affordable calendar it ended up like we could do two media and something ridiculous we need a whole lot more than that as so that's for the extension to members just so you know that the ticket is looking at meeting twice a week we're going to we're going to really work this until we get the information that we need and get it back to this committee miss prices thank you very magister i'd like to speak in support of the changes that number cochrane is proposing i think they're very necessary and we authorize on july nineteenth twenty sixteen and as noted in the revised language legislative proposal transmitted by the tick chair by correspondence dated august second twenty sixteen with the additional reason as just made by council thank you members ok moving on to our next item it's going to be p c twenty nine annual compliance report for key high school and if we can have it without objection we'd like to have the two resource people come up and have a seat right here so we can have a discussion with them government employees who have specialized knowledge in the status of the key high school project ok everybody's there ready we have a handout apparently just from  these folks mr purdie i guess you did this one all right so let's start anybody want to start either one of you and you go ahead and grab the microphone and duck into it that's fine wireless education testifying on p c twenty nine and your compliance report for the new key high school project as mentioned this is our second annual report and it was filed in june my involvement with the key high school project includes a site selection environmental impact statement and use in title minutes and resources for the design phase of work follow basically as prior testimony we did get the thirty million dollars that was available from the initial one hundred thirty million dollars and that did go to wards initially doing the wells which mr brewer spoke about earlier and is also going to ward s initial phase of infrastructure i think in mentioning the phasing phase one is to provide facilities for eight hundred students and phase two would be for the remainder which is a sixteen fifty when we are talking about phases within i am looking at trying to define it more late fees one eighty one b one c so it will define that eight hundred students so they initial phase of the wells i would consider when the next this initial infrastructure would be one b and the following with the thirty seven million that came in f y seventeen what would be one y nineteen then you know the earliest we could really look at the school opening would be about twenty twenty two and this is because of the infrastructure work going in getting all the permit and then also hoping for timely permit approvals smooth bit award no surprises in the weather or unforseen issues at the site and anything that might impede construction progress rethinking that would be about two to three years for the infrastructure and then another at least two years to get the vertical buildings with the funding that we have now we will just be able to complete all the infrastructure we are looking at we've been asking for funding each year but we haven't been getting legislative support on it or governor support but the estimate might be another sixty million to at least get fees one going and we think it might win there with inflation and the way that the prices are coming in it might be higher so as we move along with the design we will get better estimates and make sure that what we request is what we need to be able to complete phase one approved and we are working with them we have met with them and we are we have agreed to go through a process of submissions and approvals to make sure that they are  involved in the design of the project all the way through and to make sure that we are getting incremental approvals from them and we would also like to work with the county of maui to make sure that things are are moving as well  at this time bob and now talk about the design and construction plans progress thanks very much i think my thunder was taken by earlier testimony about for the project is  s one and two are permitted under d on our commission on water resource management rules they've been drilled they've been cased they've been tested with temporary pumping equipment and they were accepted this june twenty second twenty sixteen the wells themselves are drilled with a fourteen inch internal diameter there nominally a hundred thirty eight feet and one hundred twenty four deep respectively and they're equipped with louvered casing twenty feet below encountered ground water this is stain of all and stable pumping rate of each well and the groundwater saw on it he was determined to be three hundred gallons per minute and there's a nominal three hundred fifty milligrams per liter chloride content in that water the ground water quality and quantity is satisfactory and actually good for our construction and irrigation uses and this water is intended to be used as a bridge until reliable and satisfactory reclaimed water is permanently available to the site beeman is in place for deo we use such water with maori water reclamation of vision the well water will first be used primarily for construction activities thus control equipment washing etc and this project was bid on june twenty seventh and is pending is imminently pending v o u award i expect that this week or next week funds available for this award are nominally twenty three million dollars  the project provides several things it provides an important protective property fence the site has not been fence completely and this will be done in this next phase it provides on site and off site utility services it masquerades and stabilizes most of the site for future vertical building construction most of the grading materials will be stockpiled on the site and will remain for future use in construction so there's not going to be a lot of off all and a lot of spoilage taken away from the site the project provides audible water and fire protection water sewer service power telecom sir wrists and data service and eventually w connect to future water reclamation division reclaimed water line to the lower portion of the school property these utilities are partly distributed within the site to future building areas under this phase one infrastructure project a utility crossing appeal on a highway is accomplished all with underground casings drilled through and below the highway and the utilities are located in those cases the project will make a pav driveway improvement appeal on the highway for safe entry and exit of construction related equipment along with appropriate traffic management plans both for on site and off site construction activities and permitting for this project is really just be and is expected to continue through this year and perhaps through twenty seventeen we we don't really have a final ten table for permitting at this time and that is why the anticipated completion of her meeting and i understanding and information about the wells project and the phase one infrastructure project the first figure i have is the location planned for the wells they're located on the malka side of the property both on the east and west access of the property again these wells go down and and hit phase all ground water which is slightly rock the wells have no permanently installed pumping equipment there just wells this time their use of the wells will be undertaken by contractor equipment installed and then removing water from the underground source as as required again this is bad will yield of these pumps have been tested and proven it three hundred gallons a minute each there is no interference between the wells that was noted and the contest that was undertaken for goal number two it follows that the following plate shows the perimeter fencing that will be installed it's a six foot high chain link fence that will surround the campus site that's approximately seventy seven acres an area within the fenced area there are grass gates to be provided in this first phase and then as required later on when the design of the school site is complete the background of the fact shows the projected design areas for the buildings these these are not complete at this time but these are the massing of the buildings redefined during our review of the site for net zero energy design so these buildings these buildings have moved around slightly the the next place is complicated to understand but it shows proposed rating for the school site what you'll notice is that there is a train way that runs through the school site this is a natural drainage which will be accented in the design of the school and provide a natural way for us to collect waters and reduce the amount of drainage infrastructure required on the project the lower portion of the school site  will have a retention detention basin where star events will be collected and held on site so the school itself will not exacerbate drainage related runoff from the project area at all the next play shows the public cross sections that are mounted on my high on the project site which show benches that are created for the various education athletic and the field areas in the lower of construction it also shows that area which we are proposing to pave at this time which is the the driveway and access into various parts of the project site bring the utilities into the project and cross under the highway with casings this is a complicated sketch you're not i'm not expecting anybody to understand it it's just that all this work is underground all the utilities that were described before water fire protection sewage data volcom and so forth will be will be brought  into the school site and then that work will project into the school project area a small amount the next phase of construction the next piece of phase one infrastructure will complete the distribution  site utilities to the various building bad areas at the campus and will make all those utilities liar throughout the campus area and then the final plate the final weight is just a di questions first before i just turn the floor over to you guys thank you and i think the biggest question that is on everybody's mind is when you say your notice to proceed is expected to start in january with twenty eighteen you expect are there issues with the state or the county work that you think is going to take a year and a half to get permits both agencies  go ahead and talk into the microphone a little bit more thanks we anticipate that that would be the duration to iron out all permitting issues for the project we don't see anything which  is you know highlight a permit issue but there are quite a number of permits which are required for this and we still you know we haven't begun permitting at this point we have a design packages soon to be awarded and the the permits will take time to be done and it has been typical especially working with the utility agencies primarily with the power in the telephone and the data f that an eighteen month window or even longer is is typical to arrange their utility so while this may seem to be a very long period of time it is more typical than not in projects of this scope and scale wonderful all right i'm sure the other members have questions on that we get back to that in a second the other major question i have and then open the floor to the members is  on your drainage are you looking at low impact design drainage you know rain gardens and and those kind of things i notice in the diagram here you you actually highlight and you mentioned it to you're going to highlight the the gulch are you looking into low impact design work yes we're we're incorporating that as well as our retention detention facilities in this design and that design has not been completed it's part of the vertical construction design sure so that that gulps there that goes right through the middle of campus for our retention detention basin ok by members sorry for doing that but at any questions to these folks we'll start with this by so then mr kero thank god thank you very much karen thank you for your presentation mr purdie i'm kind of confused by this into all of the information about the well and i heard you mention the results of the testing and how many gallons per minute and these are the nitty  this obviously is water that you're not going to use for part of purposes so where are you going to get that water from the water tony water yes ok thank you very much mr carrol we go to go quickly but it department was rude realizing that this is for the common good who are willing to go and work with you what was there been a serious forward for me to do where you are there should have first place it's because of the size i can't tell what the the numbers are on the top of the lines yeah what is the what is the drop in elevation from the top of the property to the to  i highway it's approximately ninety feet ok and what is the distance thirteen hundred feet ok and so looking at the large that actually proceed the notice to proceed for that is predicted in twenty eighteen when of when the permitting is completed for that project it may occur earlier if our permitting  design complete for the infrastructure or is this yes the design for this phase of work the design is complete what is not complete is the permitting of what has been designed ok so when we u community as well as the council very much because i think the concern is that people who have been pushing for this high school so their kids can go there might be look at their grand kids but i mean the first student a it's always a challenge it's a challenge for funding is a challenge for permit him do you see anything that can be done do you see anything that could be done by the county at this time that would further facilitate the timetable i think the county has been very cooperative with our design consultants and i think as long as that same spirit moves for press on to get this done as soon as we can i i i commend the county for their effort to design consultants and that's right and i'm assuming that the infrastructure work includes all the grading of the site material pushed around to where it needs to be thank you and you may not know this but what is the amount of some of it still in the water that  r you have to deal with in the permitting process if you if you need help from us to see if we can ask maui electric or who ever the data carrier is let us know because as you can see the frustration at mr barrow has been doing this since his before his kids were born practically and now that they're they may not get to the high school it's frustrating  i remember working on it back when i was working for the administration as well and so it is extremely frustrating in the communities just you know they're at a tipping point so anything that we can do as individual council members please let us know if we can just call write a letter to the utilities who whomever it takes it sounds like you're getting good cooperation from our department so we were happy to hear that but the more you can stress the prostration to your superiors or and also to the utilities the the better you have any further comments and then the thank you you mentioned phase one for the first eight hundred fifty students is the are the design monies available now for that phase so the i guess the design funds would also come from that the newer monies that are coming out in what the f b i seventeen finds so those will be requested or at least the d part of the design will be requested for the infrastructure now and then we will be requesting the remainder before it goes out to bid for that second phase and part of that remainder money that we are also requesting will be the rest of the design to start on  for the vertical structures are challenges that we have been requesting the funding for the construction of the design the buildings and that has not been coming so far i  think one of my frustrations to being with this project from about twenty two thousand six myself is that you know the funding is just not showing up i think with the one hundred thirty thousand we one hundred thirty million we were hoping to do a design build type of project where we would hire a design build or contract and have them design and build star the sure but part of that is we needed all the money at one time so when we were looking at the one hundred thirty million we were really trying to press the state to release that one hundred million so that we could go in that route but over the two years of the of the life of the find so that it was basically in name only that the funding was shown but it was not really there so we had to regroup and change our direction on how we were going to design and construct the project so we had to go back and go back to a design build process sorry the design build build process so we had to renegotiate the contract again the other thing is because of the location and the situation with the power we were told that you know we should try to be sufficient self sufficient as possible and look at possible possibly trying to save as much energy as we can so we looked at a net zero type of facility which also meant some changes in how we were approaching the project so there were some things that added to the time frame but once we get the monies or once vertical building you're correct those are dissipated or are they identified in the fiscal each seventeen budgets year our budget includes funding for the project it's just that by the time we get it from the governor and go through the legislative session we see that it is it's cut or not there so there's at least in the strong push to provide the thirty million in each each time we've gotten it i think the challenge is the next phases because we really don't want to build a building and leave it there for four years while we wait for the rest of the facilities that we need in order to open a school that functional so that would bring other issues of a building sitting there unoccupied for years and so we would like to make sure that we get the bulk of it together so that we can we can build it at a time and have people populate it you know right after so that that's our challenge and so we're saying we can get it incrementally but we want to make sure that their their life span works so that we can build it at one time that would be the goal or otherwise get as much of the facilities we need to open and then have some of the and celery structures come in right after that are you likely to get the the design monies for phase one and phase two at the same time to but again that the challenge would be the rest of it and then we would also need to look at our our numbers to see the population of the school and how much of face to you know when we can  next things you know i guess my challenge with the phase in that is that if you're going to go through a very long permitting process it seems that you might be better off going through a program for both phases and that is to say doing some extensions on purpose afterwards seems like you'd be better to have it all ready to go so if you if you end up in a good building climate which we're not in right now you might actually be able to get the money and go anyway we can all be hopeful and you can ask them if they can have some of the that they didn't give us thank you chair why i know you could fit that in everywhere all my memories any further questions any comments from  only speak for my department we will put it at the top of the heap in expedite as much as we can but i also know the other directors are very aware of the need for this property or that for this project  i'm sure they're going to give it their full attention as well ok thank you all right members that b without any further discussion what's your thoughts on this we can we have two reports last year's and this year's reports we can follow those and wait for the next year's report and bring it up but we want to have these two to refer back to or we can defer the whole thing and keep the report to the next term any comments and have somebody come in tell us how they did or how things are going you know we wait a whole year and again it's another year i think that we as a community have to get together and push because somebody has got to understand what we've got to keep this in the forefront or if we are going to wait until i think eighteen is very optimistic from what i hear thank you and i would like to implore the next term anybody who's there for the next  term put that in the legislative package the county's legislative package has to get the funding and push the funding ok members then hearing that without any objection will do for this item objections ok this item is deferred and members right now will take a ten minute break so be back at ten fifteen will will have mr chen up here so right now will be in recess till ten fift twenty five the end no compliance report for the maori business park phase two we took the side a matter meeting of august twentieth two thousand and fifteen there's an updated report dated may thirty first twenty sixteen with us today we have mr gran vice president maui m b properties inc i'm going to have him sit up here as well and when you're ready mr john will have a opportunity to give you an opportunity to update us on the status of the project business park on the course we've been doing this annual visit for a number of years now so many of the requirements have already been addressed and completed but just to give you an update as far as what all is occurring within the light industrial area of cotton we have two owners who have started construction within the my business park since our last meeting here they are lowe's and pacific pipe that are both well underway in terms of their work we have several other owners who are in various stages of permitting and design for their new facilities these include serve co american savings subdivision completed at the end of two thousand and fifteen so that's that's occurred since my last visit with you folks on this project we are as you as you've probably noticed as you drive along whole kelly street going towards on a highway there are a number of large lots that are kind of behind vinyl fences so we are in design for the last of the actual subdivision improvements within those large lot so they'll be some additional internal roadways and infrastructure that will be that are in design and will go through permitting and we'll keep you updated on the progress of that as well  for those areas has been wending its way through the process at the county of mali as you recall in june of last year we got to the military subdivision approval from the agencies and since then has been working with  agencies and finally got enough clarity i guess you call it from the various agencies so and so that final the final plat for the subdivision has been submitted actually within past couple of weeks so the final plat with all of the adjustments that have been requested by the agency is now before that and as you know the process calls for it to go for yet another round of review and sign off and  hopefully before too long those parcels the forty acre parcel for the department of housing and human concerns as well as the parcel for the parks department's development of the new car louis community center will be  available for dedication to the county one specific follow up item that came up last year was chair had asked that we make sure to have a continuing dialogue with of police department concerning the potential for future police substation within the subdivision and you see from the submission that we did in fact meet with chief and his staff and they are aware of our  willingness to accommodate them and at this point they're not in a position to indicate one way or another whether they see a police substation there is being advisable from their perspective staffing and otherwise but we will continue to dialogue with them and at such a point as you know they see that as something that they'd like to have occur within the subdivision will definitely work with them on that so aside from that the report is fairly straightforward and i'm happy to address any questions you all might have thank you mr jermyn that was the reason those two items were the reason that i wanted to bring you in here today so members any questions for mr john on this report miss cochran and pressure bunky to the chair and good morning thank you mr trump for being here and when this report comes back to us i always park and pull my copy elementary school and of course say burials were found and thereby it was stop to search for more lands and so now you're saying can you found suitable location in want recreational it creates within that parcel i mean the condition says three acres but if they wanted to make it more or less than me that's fine but there's more there's more than forty three acres that are being provided to answer questions area for the  community multipurpose center is is right at the terminus of command avenue if there is adequate acreage there for that purpose ok ok very good yeah those are my continuous ongoing question substation there correct they don't see a need for it at this point but as the as the area fills out and they they get a handle on that various types of businesses and users that will be situated  within the within by business park then i think they'll have a better handle on what would be appropriate in the way of police presence ok thank you and a miss cochran said the sooner the better on the affordable housing lot right members any further questions or discussion on this item seeing none in this case i think it's ok we can follow because it's only those two items pretty much so  entertain a motion to file general communications fifteen dash or in sixteen dash for let the record show the five eyes zero nose and two excused mr guzman and mr victory no ok members moving on to our last item today p c twenty seven and your compliance report comma lani key hey residential project we took up this item in meaning of august twentieth twenty fifteen there is an updated report dated twenty june twenty ninth twenty sixteen s one will go up  terms of the status of the work that's occurring on the project a construction of the backbone infrastructure for comedy of the get in march and it's in full swing and it's running on schedule which is a good thing shortly after the last time we met here of over but a year ago for prospective purchasers and we think that these classes have been very helpful in assisting these buyers in arriving at a better understanding of the process to clarify  these crosses are not generally required of home buyers nor are they required of builders to provide for home buyers but in partnership with holly mollo lou we decided that  participating in and actually sponsoring these classes along with holly model of would put our prospective buyers in the best possible situation as far as being able to purchase a home we subsidize the crosses cost to holly molly is about two hundred dollars per participant they pay seventy five dollars we subsidize the balance and if they become home buyers they are actually we funded or credited the class have some skin in the game if you will although the funds are reimbursed and credited to them she felt that unless there's some upfront payment there be issues with attendance and follow through so enjoyed seeing the you know the homeowners and assembled and excitement that they have there are families in escrow others that are on the wait list for units that they would prefer over those that have become available so we've learned a lot through this process that we've been through with our buyers we've had over three hundred participants in our home by education classes all of whom are actually in canal legible for for the housing however the number of folks that actually are able to get prequalification letters from lenders is much smaller than that a fraction of that actually the main reason for this is that lenders are now much more stringent about qualifying borrowers for loans than they had been in the past as you recall prior to the economic downturn folks were getting loans without a whole lot of difficulty on what is what is this what this has meant is that consumer debt credit card debt especially play a very significant role in whether or not a lender will qualify a family to get a mortgage and now is standing cash flow consumer debt car loans etc are very key in that analysis in addition many families  borrower so we've been in dialogue with your director of housing and human concerns to ensure that sort of this lay of the land that we see in terms of the marketplace is something that she and her staff are familiar with as they continue to assess and administer the ordinance those are the sort of the top of mind thoughts i had as far as what you know what we've been doing i've been working a lot in trying to get folks  looks like i was the only no vote i'm in tired when excused and primarily my my dissatisfaction with this has never been and never is the reason for affordable and what have you but one of our testifiers mentioned it was the traffic impact i mean that to me is a big time was just going to put me in the quality of life and everything overall safety and what have you into jeopardy in my eyes and that was one of the primary reasons  thought of that access road into the monsanto farming area was always a why can it be and still is then i know that you folks are addressing it via a couple more access mocha but that still these into the whole area old i mean that all the most northern subdivisions are going to be impacted because they already are so to add on this many more cars than people in users in my just it's not something that i could support but i had no bearing upon the affordability and to get our community into housing of course never but my question is and it was interesting in your opening comments chair in regards to them decide to buy other places or are still working on improving their credit scores so they can get a better or working on still saving for their down payment but at least they're qualified for a loan there are there are  others the majority who cannot get through the prequalification process with a lender and then speaking of lenders is there a set group of lenders that you folks prequalification letter will come from a college or a of prescribed lenders only because the lenders have to have the capacity to understand not only the lending environment of their institution and the federal loan programs that are out there but also the colonies guidelines the county standards are overlay yet another burden on the lenders in terms of what they can qualify a family for and so most lenders lack the capacity and staffing to go through the exercise of going through the training to understand all the different pieces of that puzzle so we have a that said we have a variety of lenders that are involved we have created financial i don't know if you know kelly probably couth made a financial who does who has a variety of loan programs that she can tap into we have central pacific bank we have bank for y over merican savings bank all participating in that prequalification process beyond that however borrowers are free to work with any letter that they  want and are not obligated to you know work only with a prescribed set of lenders another another reason why projects of this sort will almost by design and  requirement establish a college or a of initial lenders to work with potential prospective borrowers is because there is an application process that is led not by the developer but by the lender to apply to fannie mae and these federal programs to make available to the project these federal pots of money they're available to first time homebuyers and of course only certain institutions actually have the capacity and the expertise to make that up the case so that's the primary reason that you will see in projects like this like ours where all projects you know of any scope they will have a codger of letters that they will have will work with as a as an initial threshold ok a chair or maybe corporation counsel is that not a conflict within our code for a don't developer company whatever to homeowner so that's what's your question so the or i don't think the ordinance or the practice of builders is a limit on who a borrower can borrow from that's not the intention and that's not been the practice if i'm not explaining it correctly and it sounds like that that's my my fault but that's as a as a threshold matter there are only certain lenders who are willing to work through this review that is actually a lot of work on the part of the lenders so as a follow up to her question you're saying that the borrower can go to whoever they want is that you guys get recommended places that right yeah that's right i mean the borrower i mean the lenders are actually to be commended you know because they're actually not guaranteed any business and in addition to working through process  buyers they're actually on a voluntary basis kind of on a round robin sort of basis they've actually staffed and sat in on the whole by classes to address any questions people might have just generic questions about the lending process the mortgage process you know what is what is their neighborhood maintenance fee i mean you know so and they don't have to do any of that but they but i will hand it to our local lenders that they've  all been willing to and they sort of step to up to the plate to help on this mission so chair for and i would like a comment from corporation council but in a second but my point is here i'm hearing otherwise from what mr chen is saying here to me and my response to my question are recommending finding these better whatever is explaining they're requiring these applications to go to a list of people period and they cannot go through a person of their choice to get their prequel letters that is what the community is saying and to me i don't think that's right and i don't think it follows the code or somewhere around here everyone should have free will to go to who they want to get let you know that that's what these other companies wells fargo of the in the other two so that that's what i'm trying to get  here and i don't think it's right and i don't think it fits with our code and that's where i want the answer from corporation called mr chair i think of something when you talk to the the permanent housing boom concerns about i don't know exactly what's going on this is in the compliance report discussion in some comments from a but i mean i can't give an opinion and nor would i be able to at any point this is something that if there's a code section that you're talking about we can look at that but i think that's something that apartment housing and human concerns could explain a bit about with the requirement is and can find out what's actually happened when you go for this item and have been a common actually discussed that i would want to i would want to hear that first but offhand i mean is there a code section that you had in mind about about that that that would it sounds like you're essentially saying two completely different things that you're saying you're hearing one thing and then the testifiers saying that they're doing something different so researchers as well i mean anything else on earth yeah and also in regards to the education piece you are stating that you go through  consider has a has a full time staff of three people and a program that he runs all your wrong that extends beyond simply executing work on behalf of the county grant and he will he under you have to otherwise you are disqualified you're off the list is out otherwise you don't even get on the list correct so yeah that was that's right to pay the seventy five bucks that's right to do this correctly typically that's what we do for all affordable housing testifying in support of that change because she said that under freddie mac and faith in me that the borrowers would qualify for not having p m i if we would change that time and that was one of the reasons we're doing it so i do know that she works with that because that she made that statement here so and i understand what ms cochran is talking about she's once a reader selection that people can go to but i do remember her saying that that was  was here to support the change ok members any further questions i have a couple right in page two condition lighting inside the units or is that also on your street you know i don't i'm sorry mr i don't know the answer to that question but i could find out and submit a response and right sure i believe it's both  but i would just say that i don't and i would just work ask you to work with the department of public works on that one because there are certain colors of l e d lights that that need to be taken into consideration both for the for birds in your case it's not going to affect sea life as much but certainly the birds in the you know the sea birds that get confused by the lights and i just ran into an astronomer the other day and he was concerned about seeing that the lights were permitted so they would really like to be consulted with that as well so just be aware that also on page four item number thirteen i'm sorry not that one the drainage  circled the world in a way you talk about drainage and i wanted to know if you're going to if you're working on doing low impact design drainage you know as several people from the department of public works in the program management and even mr spence and i went to the main line of pacific northwest and they had some really good low prevents it from going into the ocean or if it goes into the ocean is going to be very very clean we're very impressed with that and i know the department of public works is very keen on having that considered first are you considering in maybe the county can work with you through the budget committee and see what we can do just to alleviate it in potential concerns you know the traffic impact reports sometimes don't take into account the reality if you look at me that subdivision there there are multiple not just two cars per lot but three sometimes four and sometimes five so you have to take into account the reality of the situation not the theoretical as well so why do you just ask that you keep looking at potential ways to do that and  because because there the potential is there i realize that they've done studies and the studies say all you need to do is fix these intersections but both as a safety issue that the studies really don't take into account and just an issue of quality of life we requested to take a look at that again numbers any further questions comments from the department you need to put them i like the new microphone no comments mr chairman ok members seeing no comments and the fact that we have some items that we're going to have the staff write a letter on your behalf as cochran or do you want to do it to the letter regarding the your concerns with the afghans you want to work with staff and get a letter for that committee ok and we'll send that to housing and human concerns so because we're going to do that i would like to leave this item open just so we can get a report back from both so that the committee is aware of what's going on any objections ok so we will defer this item and that's the members that's the last item on the list it was a big you know for the planning committee for items it usually takes forever and we got it done before eleven o'clock so appreciate your due diligence and your comments and thank you mr chairman for sitting in the hot seat and taking into our taking our comments all right and thank you staff for being here without any further ado i think this meeting is