indivisible with liberty and justice for all i guess i'm going to just ask you for the questions you want to know because there's probably a lot of questions about going on occurs and that's what we propose for next year and so yes you hear some of the trust me my eyebrows were up on this too but what we have proposed is you know we do it a trip about every other year typically we go to disney last year we went to virginia beach they're all adjudications so that's the first and foremost point for myself adjudication is just simply you're sitting for a panel of police of judges you're performing set number of selections there are evaluating you and then they come up and give you a clinic and so that kind of validates and reinforces what we do bring some maybe some new material for the students but that is the most important thing that we do sometimes it's competition and the fact that you're against other schools sometimes you go in and depending on the category you're in you may end up matching up against nobody or one other school so the competition is not quite as important to us as the adjudication so we get some feedback on the performance of the students whether it's the ensemble or individuals we typically travel with all the groups so we can i have a large armada if you will because we have choirs we have orchestras we have bands we do take eighth graders that are part of the marching hire that one year just as a kind of a helper back in two thousand and seven the marching band travels the spring we're going to perform in the national memorial day parade right down constitution avenue so we're not only representing peters but we're representing pennsylvania so it's a very cool event for the kids but a cruise and many of you i'm sure been on cruises and i've only been on one so we get mailings all the time and so mr i started looking at last winter and we said you know you get this in your mailbox is like yeah i get that and i said think like i guess people actually do this you know and you know because we thought i don't know like do we want to take two hundred teenagers on  ship because it's going to be like lord of the flies you know or something so we decided to give it some some rural you know merit and try to try to you know what what is the value of taking kids on a cruise is it just a glorified vacation so really as we started looking into it talked to a couple of different companies what we what we learned kind of surprised us all and went one year and enjoyed it so much they went the next year the only issues they had was that they went for a whole week so that was the school board wasn't real happy but they went ahead and signed off we're looking at actually just being out of school for two days when you look at the cost of the trip first of all the adjudication is legit it's the same as going to disney or any other place so so from that standpoint first and foremost we we want to make sure that what we were looking at was something that wasn't just kind of a boondoggle going on in the caribbean otherwise you i don't need the stress of that look parents deal with that because it's too difficult you know to travel with all those kids and worry about those issues then then the next thing has to be security and and obviously their health so i have brought the security expert here the officer steven is onboard and he can talk a little bit about that so we did talk to a couple different companies and find out some different information about the possible cruise packages the one that we're looking at this company works exclusively with royal caribbean and we would be looking to depart on whichever friday in april we can get approved if  and again would be leaving on a friday and we're back on monday night the cost is actually cheaper than say taking a trip to disney as a director my focus is to get as many students on these trips as possible there's a couple reasons for one the value of them traveling together is huge and parents will confirm that they you know they talk about how the kids come back and say more grown up we go to camp every summer cal you so just the value of traveling together is huge but the the idea of going and competing or have an adjudication on a ship brings a little different twist than your normal trip because of the fact that you have a little bit of an international flair you also have an open door policy on the ships for when you compete or when you're actually playing for the judges and that it's open for the public to come in and you can actually do additional performance that's something you can't do when you go to normal land base trips it's always closed off for instance this past year we went to virginia beach we went to tall wood high school and they can't accommodate multiple schools in the building at the same time so the way it works is when you're when you're there for your block of time it's all of your chaperones and your kids watching each other's groups in the auditorium when you're done you have to leave because then the next school district comes in so you never you never get to hear anybody else so from that standpoint that brings an added benefit that you are allowed to go in and see some other schools and i know that's something that's valuable that the kids would like to be able to do but it just never happens and that's what everybody says did you get to hear any of the other schools were like no we did get t so that's an advantage the other thing is you don't waste time traveling when we went to disney we did lose a significant amount of time with parking and walking and we had like two hundred thirty people and so that just you know and that certainly can be in the works again if  need be but the advantage again is that we're going to save a lot of time by the trip is cheaper than it would be even if we bussed to orlando and did a disney trip which the way it's been is about every you know every other year we travel but that every second trip has typically been a trip down to to disney because the adjudications are excellent but again these judges do rotate the circuit so you might see some of the same guys we've had the same judge in florida as we did in chicago so particular guy that runs the notre dame band so from that standpoint that that kind of assured us we felt good about the juda cation we felt good about the cost to because again it's going to be fordable for us to even fly down there and get on a boat i've already priced out over st clair right now is flying and it's fifteen hundred just to go down there i've already talked to kids and there's a lot of kids so that's a deal breaker and i know that we're in mcmurtrie and there's a lot of wealthy people here but not everybody is so again our focus is to get as many kids down there to travel together and to fill out the ensembles to you don't want to go in there with eight people in your orchestra that had happened one time for a trip to montreal for mrs fox when she was here and she ended up spending about one thousand dollars of her own money just to take a cello player she would have had that part of the orchestra performing you're always going to be at your best when you can get your for your ensembles fully furnished with all your musicians so we like the cost i put out a survey monkey because i thought how many people are like parents are going to kind of freak out about this you know as i think i would so i put out a survey monkey and you can do one hundred responses initially we had ninety three yes we had seven zero of the seven that were no some of them made themselves known to me because they they flat out of native they've never been on a cruise and just you know all the headlines and sure enough as soon as i submit the information you see these headlines so i understand that so we're concerned about those two regarding the medical that really is similar as far as your insurance works the kids all have to submit their insurance paperwork that we have it's the same thing when we go to camp we have those forms with us pretty much all the time you know we go down play for a pirate game this coming august we're going to have we have to have all of those things in place so and the advantage of doing the cruise support not the advantage but the advantage of where we're going is that it's still u s territory because it would only be in the bahamas so you don't have to travel passports you travel with a copy of birth certificates as a school group and you have at least one physician on the ship with nursing staff if you have you have anything that's of serious nature you have hospitals available there in the worst of situations actually you can use the coast guard of a can fly people off of the ship to get care i will say in two thousand and nine we had someone that had to have emergency  appendectomy and so these things can happen when you're traveling with two hundred kids so trust me i do not want to go anywhere if i can't you know feel somewhat at ease about that so i feel pretty good about those answers you know we travel on buses all the time illnesses go around so i understand that you know we have a ship in the past several months that had a lot of people ill i don't have an answer for all of those things you hear about people falling off of ships  can't you can't fall off a ship or high you know it's no different than jumping out of the fifteen story of a hotel window which we stayed at in or fall for genius so there's a lot of those things that i can you know provide a hundred percent security for but i can't provide that for anywhere but i feel pretty confident about the answers i've been given then the security aspect is huge because you're on a ship and you're not on a ship just full of five thousand teenagers  a regular cruise so you're limited to five hundred students that's what royal caribbean limits these these music tor groups with so in that stance it's not really overloaded with with you know teenagers all over the place we average i know the district policy is one chaperone for eighteen students we actually go with one per eight and that works well because that allows me to take one adult and cover two rooms and typically our rooms are quads let's see what else barney maybe can i open it up to question some the board absolute giving us a lot of good information here so i'd like to start with the board members  works you leave out of port canaveral on a friday one that we're looking at your your you know at sale or at sea for that late afternoon evening and then in the morning you're doing your adjudications on the ship the marching band is the question the marching band has a few options you could actually do a stationary performance on board the ship which would be kind of cool but then you could even do a marching performance on the dock canada when the groups travel a school groups copy a birth certificate ok well to the point is i can finance this isn't a committee meeting so we're not going to vote tonight right now so we just kind of bringing but i'll try to get you an answer on that right other bo yeah i'm very much in favor of this i did this in high school and it's life changing to students to be able to compete in this way and to have education especially in these special venues did you do a cruise we did do a cruise of ours led to being in perform that's part of the package deals he's going so if you have some security questions he's here to try to help you he's spoken with the cruise company regarding security both on board but also for the straw market in nassau and you know on an well during the summer we don't have our ensembles in rehearsals it wouldn't be possible to have your your level of musicianship pulled together plus you lose your seniors so you know i mean but you don't are ensembles aren't regularly  rehearsal so you can't it's not so easy i think sometimes people see the band and think it's easy just to pull them back together and play it's not that easy they're not professional musicians so we have to be rehearsing regularly to be you know kind of at the top of what they do in the summer just to try to pull students back in for one you're going to lose big numbers i'm not going to get the numbers that i'd like we've been asked to do you know the fourth of july parade in cannes berg and i said i'm not going to do that our band is busy we did twenty once we do or this may it's twenty five performances this year there is no other hard marching band in pittsburgh doing that but the kids love to do it so that's why we do it but that's all through the school year the summer is a different deal and i want to give them a break they need a break you know they need to go on vacations and need to spend time with their friends they have jobs but if you try to do something in the summer and plus one of these companies do these trips really in the summer because school you know college professors are on vacation to any of the board questions what will have you thought about what the kids will be allowed to do you want they get off at the port i mean tell me a little bit because again you're no longer you know in the end i stay right and what might happen well we have various excursions they're allowed to take we're going to match them up with their chaperones and based on where they were approved to go on the trip then we start working out those details of the tour company i have a whole that's forty four pages of detailed excursions that occur so the main day that it's an excursion would occur would be on that saturday on the sunday it's actually a day where they're all kind of kept in the same area coke ok and so that they essentially were i have probably been right see that that's not my biggest concern they're behaviorally one will happen and i know you know how good kids but you know things like that are the big things that that scare me that and i'll say it while on the ship the evening and how much trouble or it can get into without supervision in an environment where there is so much alcohol and partying and there are members of say i disagree about the safety i went with the wrestlers this year to virginia and we have twenty some kids that went and we were across from a huge mall and the reality is those kids could have left at any time and went across the street and gotten into as much mischief they could in a ship i actually would prefer from a security standpoint to be on a ship where they're contained and you know they can't go anywhere but on the ship because when you're in a land based hotel you can expect them to respect the rules but i can tell you what they could have at any time but they weren't going to do it because the chaperones were pretty attuned to where they were and whatnot but they could have snuck out and gone down the stairwell and into growth across the street so as much as i respect the concern i don't think there's a greater concern job but the safety concerns i didn't take it like i was going on a free trip here i realize the responsibilities and having my concerns are exactly the same ones you  w the only way we could do that all find out what the stats were i couldn't get solid stats but from this woman who does this this is what she does she specifically worked with schools tell me that she cannot recall an incident because of the ships have heavy security especially in today's environment and the strong markets that was that's exactly what i asked her because i've been there and that they like the psyche of vegetable matter they said no they they actually if i understood her correctly they actually have a catwalk around the strength of the straw this trick now which is heavily armed with police officers and that's all they're doing they're looking for mischief people doing wrong things and if you've been there you know as well as i do when you go to those shops those shop owners they don't go for the little word events and i'm talking about the island deviance victimising right kills their business so they've they've always been heavy against that but in speaking to her they they don't have very many problems at all because of the heavy police presence down there now and the security on boats  chaperons have to do a bed check i have a policy where i don't even let girls and other girls rooms or boys and other boys rooms reason and that's that's a little bit more strict than my predecessors of had because i don't want anybody to accuse somebody else of vandalizing something so our policy is of you're in somebody else's room you go home you're out now how do you do that on a ship i don't know we haven't gone down that route yet we've never had that happen since i've been here  so we haven't had those problems yet but you do have curfew for the rooms and then the the fact that the ships are so loaded with surveillance makes us feel good when we go on trips though we always have armed paid that you know but it's not something we feel that is necessary because the fact that you have heavy surveillance on the ships with cameras and so we can we can request we asked for all of those questions and feel really comfortable about those answers but all your questions are excellent you know the more you have thrown at me email me i'm serious because i want to feel comfortable doing this because you know it's it's my neck you know that's the thing and so i take on the marching band of d c as a breeze that's a piece of cake three coach busses it's the best kids we have you know no problems where they're so busy with going to smithsonian institution's and monuments and then they perform in our home we run  rag and they're just going to be you know also be solid quiet for six hours on the way home on a ship it is a little different like you say but i don't want to take any risks that are unnecessary unless i feel that the value of this travel would really be something really really special for the students thank you so much mr viney mr stebic i have i just look back in print and i were just talking i was looking at the clock we're trying not nor is a six hour meeting i was going to call for last questions from the board well the thing that i have had a question about was whether when i look at some other schools policies that do have an international trip policy which we don't they also put restrictions on a shop around so that they're governed by chaperone meeting so they know that we're not we're there representing their families but they're representing our school district and that's that's i'm pretty conservative in that fashion trust me i just i can't afford to have you know some some insurance carrier to see if our charles covers the trip outside of the united states because that's another thing that i was told that you know you have to have the country specifically listed in your insurance ok my last question is how long the school will be on that ship you decide to go on that's this well we would be taking up at least third or close to half the a lot of students so my estimation is we probably wouldn't be looking at more than two or three others depending on the size many of the groups the trial or smaller than we are we we tend to take a pretty big i don't i don't know exactly because we haven't booked anything so we wouldn't know until that happens but it's limited to five hundred students he other board member questions and we do this if board members its cover choir they have more questions than the dr french and she can send them on mr barney and then respond to all of us so that we all know the answer to the question three discussion on this motion yes i would like to have this item separated out so that in vote on it separately that will point of what i want is a separation you can't just a clear separation without declaring what your i also had another comment that i'm sorry i missed the buildings and grounds meeting last monday so i did not hear the presentation but the previous buildings and grounds we had a presentation from another company wanting to do the same sort of seismic testing and the board or any of the controls that we discussed was not in the document that was attached to our papers that would you know in essence protect us by all of that to try and negotiate that for five hundred taxpayers secondly i think we had ten thousand dollars worth of energy but it's done ok when paid for but we hadn't done a mere power very comprehensive plans that actually give very specific steps they can be taken to save energy i mean for mcmurray right here one thousand eight hundred forty nine dollars if you follow what they have in post here they give the breakdown of the years for the cost payback for each item that they're suggesting we have that in all five buildings with just a long run past these we've basically turned our back on doing anything in house to go to an outside source i think we'd be much better off to look at our in house staff we have a very qualified bill in the ground guy that came from a university that has overseen many many projects and i think that with a little bit of restructuring and possibly maybe putting for people back into the maintenance that we've taken out in past budgets not to do the work but the possibly help oversee to it number one i vote yes to this recommendation would solidify the direction the board is taking towards this act thirty nine energy savings a no vote would actually substantiate what  asking for because a no vote would say we have the district are going to be doing this ourselves and then i think that requires a tone evaluation into staffing i happen to agree with mr donnelly be one hundred percent but as this recommendation stands i think it needs to be clearly understood for the board and for the audience that a yes vote doesn't require us to go with any of the companies that presented to us but it does set us in a direction because i think that's one of the points you made last week is we really did have a direction whether we were intent on doing this energy savings or not and so i just want to make sure i'm understanding correctly the rest of the board is understand it correctly that this recommendation would set a a path of yes we are going down this road and then we flush that out how it looks or no we're not going down that road and it becomes an in house project because we can't ignore the issues that exist and so i just want to make sure that the border stands that that a no vote does require us then in house to evaluate what we're going to do because these issues still are before us as a district where as he has still keeps the options open p s people who can lead you maximize those savings like for instance when you go back to the old energy audits and they talk about you know knowing you know everything about it not only this is the most any energy efficient furnace but if you couple it with this control and you train your people to turn it down at night and turn it up you're going to get the maximum savings the thing that i like about the  better and then he went ahead and had them perform but those jobs oddly chemical work in here is spilled out of this well what they want and what should be done so what i'm just trying to say is that quite possibly we're rushing down the road school the act thirty nine it separates the cost that we're currently spending on energy doesn't add more money to it what it does is it uses those same funds to in fact be able to finance  understand and i use that when i will when we look at the possibility of spending eleven million dollars on one building and we look at the other issues that are coming up before us engines and other things that are common i don't think that we can turn our back on the fact that we have a program that we can watch the taxpayer dollars provide a good education get our buildings finally up to snuff because right now they all hire and in fact be able to do those bricks and mortar things with mr ball overseeing but he has other things one on in the district who have competent people overseeing and being able to be under his or her i believe that the esko provides us not only those competent people it provides us the services that we need through our buildings to all of our bones not just the one or two of them and in fact provides us with the upgrade of our our system though we drastically need saving our  funds or these other things that are coming down the road i don't think we can turn our back on the fact that our architect never brought up act thirty nine and potential cost savings that it provides the community the audits and the provides the community that that number may have come up that high how much or with that number came up that ok but i do think that we should at least take a look at this not to have in house staff physically do this work last year we did over a million dollars worth of work when i was the director or i was oversaw the go into this committee ok we use outside contractors and all that stuff and that's the first time we really started making games we didn't count on the people inside to do a lot of work on it all put it out for bid and projects should be done by bona fide contractors if you go on the sites of the contractors that bid this escrow many of those contractors that are linked to their sites are the exact contractors we're using right now or we would  what you're basically doing is turning around thrown away and if you want to tell you how to save money or you're just throwing ten thousand dollars and going to put one hundred fifty thousand dollars in somebody's pocket for six hundred thousand dollars zero zero one i don't believe we're throwing away  bit state doesn't always do a little bit schoolish and we always have what can i just say and i actually agree with mr dudley on this perspective because i my fear is i believe in house would be the best way to do it using subcontractors i would my fear though is i don't think our maintenance staff is adequately staffed currently to be able to carry on the maintenance that needs to happen on a daily basis as well as undertaking supervision for projects and  i agree with mr donnelly on that note from the perspective that the same contractors that are going to be used underneath these us goes are probably going to be people that were bid for projects that we had run ourselves i really like the ability to have more control from that perspective because i do have a high respect for mr golts ability and  at the end of the day for me it would be giving up a seven percent or eight percent depending on the debaters on the other hand there is validity in being able to have it all done by somebody so i don't want to dismiss that as just that you know an option that we should not consider but please understand what we're voting on has specific ramifications i want to keep that before us because all this debate and discussion is wonderful it's important but this recommendation we're voting on has specific ramifications it pushes us in a direction or pushes us in another direction and i think that's why we're having this discussion i want to keep that before us because that's the issue all these points are great points but they are really secondary to the issue of are we going down this road or this road and that's what this discussion should be about and what  but it more hearing that there may not be enough staff to properly oversee it and if you bing and someone else you're then increasing the cost to the district by adding you know that employee is that really you know even though the asco costs more money to get that down by bringing in an employee for ever or do you you know really you can save money in and grounds and we would like your expertise to tell us what you think is the most important but that to me means that you come back and make a presentation and say this is the way i did and this is  this list and i don't want to be in a situation where we make improvement and then decide later on that we're going to refurbish that part of the school and it's a waste of money because you didn't know that that was going to occur and i don't want to waste my money today on something that's going to be torn out tomorrow so i would love to before we make that to have all that information i  the reactions to well i would say i would submit that it's not just we have further understood discussion this is a stipulation to pursue energy savings financing which means a way to pay for it in my understanding these issues whether be by asco or in house but i think predominately based on our previous discussion would be by asking i mean based on what we're talking about today this is an action item as well it's not just a hypothetical but it doesn't mean that later on you could say we don't want to ask you to do the project because once we get the priority items maybe right now not all those are in the priority bucket that they would do  i would argue we're on thin ice on that note because we've got three presentations already i would argue that because we've got three presentations and we solicited those presentations that by saying this were indicating that that is a direction we are going and i wish our legal counsel is here tonight to be able to help answer that question because having those presentations before we had this actual vote i think is backwards we should have this vote before we got to these presentations but we can't change them it's not something to change can we if there is uncertainty amongst board members about how they want to vote on this based on the fact that feel they don't have the full information that we might get in a meeting that dr french would put together where we would take a look at all this and get a full understanding do we have the saturday morning the twenty six from eight to twelve ok any put your ideas ernie other information that you may have i just pass along to the right ok any other discussion by dr murphy did you want to do we were thinking about the fourteen because the reason we need another one is even if we have one i'm not going to cover each entire section which some of them are very long if we we we decided that we really can't go to a first and second reading till we've gone through all of them because so many of the policies refer to other policies and they will refer to a number that doesn't currently exist if we go piecemeal and go first and second readings so none of these policies will go to first and second reading all together and were thinking then they'd all be before december or january before all of them are through their second reading so that's why we wanted to keep the ball rolling with at least one of mine so that hopefully we can even mean the committee meeting or what we went over in the rose and everything beforehand if somebody wants or thinks that a policy should come out for first and second three before you know the end of the calendar year we can do that individually and we'll just have to make minor tweaks by taking out references to policy numbers that don't exist and then adding them found again so yes if anybody believes that something should go first and second really mediately or that it should be decided this is great if you felt like we should get a student trip international trip policy there you would let me know and we would try and work on  of twenty four was finance and the fourteenth would work better just because and that one hundred section there are quite a few policies so in order to get an extended meeting through that later one would be more the board will have to some point done either approve or disapprove of because if i'm hearing you correctly i would simply recommend that that become a part of the regular meeting under your report if it's a proposition of something that this board needs to approve and this goes back to a concern i have about this committee meetings anyways much like at the last buildings and ground committee it precipitated us having to have this motion in basically the special meeting tonight and so if it's an action item i would simply promote that it gets brought up at the regular board meeting on the twenty a priority item or an issue that we really it's a priority and we should be made before we start voting on things we should find out one what the priorities are what are the actual honest to god priorities and then make their decision based installation i want to spec the issue of timing and i feel like we're not getting off point on any of this stuff because we're in these committee meetings talking and we're not taking any action that's my only point i'm trying to assist by recommending that if you could a part of that i want to push off center and get these things going they've got to be done the longer we wait the bigger the problems could be and the more intense the repairs could be and i don't i'm not speaking specifically about anyone but i'm just saying if this concept of push it down the road talk about i'm committing i want action and i want to move forward and that's so i don't want to ask is it just policy on well i mean makes sense to me since the fourteenth comes before the twenty that by the fourteenth you might have some already done some of policies relating to community it's the nine hundred series and i recommend to the public that all of the information in the proposed redlining versions of the policies are listed on the school board website under meetings and minutes so if you have any questions or concerns you could look at all the documents related to those on the website the purpose of tonight is all of that information that's on the website has been shared with all board members already so the rationale and the recommendations for the proposed changes are listed in a document that everyone received and is posted on the website so the purpose of tonight's meeting is to only discuss those items in which hugh have an issue or concern or an additional recommended change so we will start with the first policy go on to the first policy and that is policy nine zero line public relations objectives and it is the new recommended policy provided to us by the f d a is there any that it was not creating any obligation and what exists now and i felt our that we were satisfying all the requirements there was the appropriate language in number five on page one that was recommended by the administration and i think that gave some flexibility there because so that they are not obligated to do doubt one hundred percent of the time at all times what i was worried about and now it was the purpose of that when appropriate language but i felt like we were already accomplishing those objectives and i don't think that ministration felt like there was any more obligation on the two staff members the requirements itchy do govern their activities are in a shallow notch correct and then we would probably fall more under the second paragr there which we have recommended that members of your in support groups and farron teachers associations are encouraged to seek the advice of the district's communications representatives prior to making statements to news media so it could be something like staff members and board members in their official capacity i shall not if school information or interviews requested by news media representatives  without rival i are approved to look i don't have any problem with your language i have a problem with the overall concept from this perspective it was made very clear in our new board training that a board member of the school district is only a board member of the school district when you are in session therefore it is never appropriate according to that definition to ever communicate with the media on a position that is a board position or a board as you as an individual member speaking on behalf of the board there's never a case because we're always were only accorded what we were told a board member when in session and guns can tell you when i was just helping negotiate a contract i made it very clear at the onset i'm a member of the board but i am not speaking for the board i speak for myself i made a very clear at the beginning of that contract negotiations and so just going back to our new board training that was very clearly articulated to us and so in that light i don't think there is ever an official capacity that a board member has the right to speak to the media about if they speak to the media about them and as an individual citizen of the district that's you can't control them i don't all see but again if i'm misinterpreting that education that we language that you're talking about they would never be able to speak and they're quoting to the current policies that we have in the program every instance i read it is always the chairman of the board who is the only one permitted to speak for the board even in such a look at all the cases coming up when you have a disagreement with something you have to go to the chairman if so i guess i'm the only point out if what i heard of the new board member training is correct i don't see an instance even if the board authorizes it that an individual speaks with the authority of the board because if that's the case it should always be the chairperson and no one else according to the other policy so there's there's a kind addicting procedure that we're putting in place if we say this that allows for  by the board is an action constituting authority that the chairman of that committee can then speak on and i don't think that according to what i was told that that's ever the case speak individually and autonomously but not as a representative or that duty only the chair has in the readings that i have and i don't want to make a big stink about this but if we adopt this you're setting a new precedent and it's different from the education i was given a saying to sleaves of the terminology about board members out of the terrace wrath and don't address it at all i would because it has to be assume because if you put it in there you are then given permission and think down the road to a future event that could happen in the event that i just hypothetical i don't think you know i'm not implying that would happen but the action if we would have voted on this motion earlier tonight right it could constitute one person's mind that as the chairman of that committee will not the board since they spoke on this issue i can speak about it publicly to the newspaper and i just don't i'm looking down the road of potential misuses of that power if you leave it out you're not giving any leeway to it if you put it in you're giving a specific case scenario where it could be and again this is going to be up to interpretation if somebody assumes that or dust there is a case mr anderson where the board could say this is ander referring to is in the you know a section in f a sickly says though and i don't have the lead exact language in front of me but something like a board member can speak on behalf of the board or on the board but if it does imply or at least explicitly say that a board member is always you know intitled to say it's my opinion i believe so i don't think that it would least parameter of what we should be do policy to replace current policy nine three six zero and nine three six eight only as it relates to public in that same paragraph i just want to clarify my understanding of it as i read it that's for only items that are perceived to be over five minutes or to me as i read that paragraph i'm reading it to understand that that procedure is for only those issues that want to be on the agenda and are assumed to be five minutes or potentially more which is why well how i is it's not even mandatory and i went back and forth as to whether to give people longer if they get on the agenda and shorter if they did and what ended up happening i looked at a lot of other schools policies with reads is it's a recommendation that you get on the agenda to give notice but even if you don't it really allows you to speak before the meeting on anything you want or five minutes with the opportunity to get an extension of time if if the chairperson agrees and the board agrees so i would propose that we put will be allotted at least five minutes because i do believe there could be a sin again i'm looking down the road and potential issues there could be that issue that arises that potentially could require more than five minutes and if we agree to give five minutes having the language at least provides that to happen i don't see language within that paragraph that would allow it to happen more than five minutes if you if you look down at the very last sentence in the public comment time limitations have more than this policy will be monitored by the presiding officer and can be extended by majority of the board members present because i did not want to stifle all right andy comment and i want to give i mean you know the expectation would be  you know the chairperson one and i'll speak for myself here that i would want somebody to be able to comment as much as they want but if you ever had an issue where you had in there are instances where you have one hundred people wanting to speak then you would want to definitely have that limitation and not only the ability to extend it or not if you had a lot of people it's not a deal breaker for me i just suggested us as a guarantee that people understand that there are those options even though it says in here this is a statement and then i have a question on page three under the first full paragraph there that's inserted participants are asked to remember the board members are without authority to act independently as individuals in an official manner and again that goes to what we just talked about i believe that that's much more concise and written better than the previous two i'm in support of the point of and i'm supporting ok right now does anybody work and to your point there was a stipulation on number three on page two of the during the meeting of the board introduces items for vote that are not on the printed agenda the presiding officer show announced the public comment will be accepted on the introduced item only prior to the taken vote so the condition i'm for and i think that that should be given to every major voting here should not have all but i'm issues that are substantive because i agree with you if i can't speak on the issue as a community member until the end i'm going to ask a board member to introduce something specially off the gender so that i can speak to before you vote i mean seriously think about all these people are going to say we want to give we want to hear the report and if i'm hearing their input after i voted what is that what are the what they are can't they speak at the beginning on any topic  have seen it as a member of the public seen it on the agenda you have a strong opinion on it you can come up to the podium and speak on any topic so you could put forth your opinion before the meeting it i mean you could have your idea beforehand the board starts talking about it and you see that five of the nine members are going in a direction that you disagree with you you have no ability to influence those five members to possibly vote differently as a public citizen because you don't get a comment until after or before and if you don't get the luxury of seeing how they're going to debate it it's fruitless i mean like this escrow discussion but if that was a an issue and there w people the community that really wanted to do what you had on it if we would have voted they would have had a chance to wait until after we voted and actually has already been taken i've wholeheartedly agree with most of them and i think it's it really defeats public comment for not having it at the end of each section a greater we have squeaks up the reality that is it potentially could wreck of a meeting but if we truly want public comment if we truly care what the constituents want and feel we should give them the right to say that before we vote i'd say dr french b no i understand that but at least we can say we've provided the community to speak before we vote as opposed to after or before we even debate so great that that's an issue it's a true religion but at least if we see him if we say tempest doesn't matter in my book if you him a maximum five minutes to say with the next five minutes and we say to the community by the way you're twenty people that want to speak understand that your friends are not going to speak if you stand up there for the five minutes but if you want to stand there for the five minutes and take everybody's time understand there's nineteen other people that you're cutting off but we're providing the community with an opportunity to let us know their feelings before we vote as opposed to after or before we even consider so that's my only point i'm not saying i will say is i just still believe that when people come to speak to the board i know for myself when i was a member of the audience if i felt very strongly about something at the beginning i got out and i put forth my opinion on it i always read the agenda before if i had access to it and if i had a strong opinion i got up and gave my opinion after that i don't know if i remember the comment felt like i ought to be part of the conversation the board was having which is essentially what you're asking reports and the reason being when the superintendent makes their recommendations for approval of items that should not be a part of public comment because as i've said in the past we employ the superintendent we employ them but director we employ these people to do their job and that part of it should not be open to public comment but the committee work should be because of an issue comes up through a committee obviously it's an action and obviously well since obviously often is going to cost money so that's where my concern is  officer of the media is how do you know that you're somebody comes up and says i'm a taxpayer how do you know without any happiness and if we want to do this or maybe some privacy issues  think that was one of the items that came up which people don't want to wapping give their address in case he got on t v and people didn't like what they said which is are all valid concerns but how the question i would like to see  the minutes but my point is it's not if they fear fear of people watching the television someone would have to go through further work to find that address as opposed to just watching the t v and see him out yes so so i'm all in favor of them having to prove at some level they are taxpayer that's great except for the fact that we as members of the board don't know who signed in so we're going to have the secretary knowledge yes we have the room mate or when they come up because you and i would not  been sure who they are and i think that we need to protect defamatory comments could be made to be equally to be shut off there's a lot of things that have happened and we should learn with you and find an alternative types just would be it is turned over to our ministration maybe come up with a procedure how to do that to protect the privacy issue as well as being able to document the minutes were just our own  other two but i am wholly against that whole section for that very purpose because if you have it and i'm not for chewing tobacco i'm not for any of these other things but if you have an adult who is say choice tobacco at a football game are you really proposing to me that you're going to have the police escort the adult out and if so if so then you better be prepared to be the moral police because i got to tell you something and i don't want to start a firestorm discussion tonight but the one thing i cannot stand at a football game is that student section and i've got into more trouble as a community member in that city with my children it's the student section and all of the stuff that goes on in there and trying to manage just that section and kids getting thrown out for this or removed for that can you imagine adding to the police force into the constables that are there policing adults who have the freedom to chew tobacco on school property so i'm wholly against this whole thing the other thing too by the way it says it all school properties vehicles bans i hate to say this but some of the other coaches not i who i've been around in our school sports chew tobacco and if they're on a four hour drive and they're driving a van let's say again i'm not for i'm not supportive of it but you're going to who's going to be the police to this stuff for the adults in the community and you've already said the ad medication which which i'm for the medication issue in theory but how do you know police that so my issue is we have a policy that effectively is going to have no teeth for adults in the community what will happen to the students and i can tell you last year  were already in place i know of enough instances where those kids find ways around it you think adults are going to do  football game for say our think about football but at a football game can you imagine the amount of time and effort firing ministration and the police department trying to be the moral police something things and i just don't believe in having policies are going to force  if i get caught i'm in trouble so we are already feeding that system in just by the way if you haven't done it sit in that section right next to the kids and see that the slick ways that they pass things you know i mean i see you down there to football game looking up there and just probably imagining what's going on in the middle of the herd so i'm uncomfortable as a last point with policies that have no teeth because by the way i'm extremely supportive of adding electronic cigarettes because that's been the look old all lately with provisions of the policy may be subject to prosecution as well as permanent or temporary expulsion so for instance if some adult is caught drinking alcohol in a vehicle in a parking lot during tailgating my understanding of this is if we have a policy that says that's not allowed that is the avenue for which they get can be arrested correct we have to have the policy that says that order for them through those who exhibit signs of intoxication i know for a personal fact this last football season i would i have a person and woman my filiation the person that is under my professional care who i know was intoxicated at a football game according to this policy the school district has a responsibility if we adopt this to remove that adult that parent much in the same fashion that they would the child but again i ask the question i'm all in favor of that by the way this language because of the parents are coming intoxicated they need to go to the kids and i think this also gives the school district a lot of leeway to be able to tell kids who come to events i just leave that in talk to you and come in right but i want to know who is going to be the one to do that because at the beginning of the football game it says you know foul language to back obese things are all offenses that you will be thrown out for and i had a specific event right had to go to the police and request and they did end up throwing the child out for for this offense but it cost a huge firestorm because you're an adult are you talking to kids this way and i had a kid this far from my nose tell me the foul language and of course i just wa it all to respect if you know delta struck and they're not disrupting they're a happy drunk let's talk about that way are you really trying to convince me that you're just going to turn another i do that because you're not disruptive and if you say yes to that i have to tell you i'm quite disappointed if it was completely there everybody can tell you in our industry it's fifty five and above because they say active seniors are between fifty five and seventy and our average age in our apartments are seeing a little apartment is eighty three years old so yeah it's it's a very all the small games of chance that all the booster groups do weekly events we have a fifty fifty drawing and we got called on the carpet about this about having to have a permit for gambling and we simply ignore we gave it a good college dr