it was only because things were going bad that the president came on and said hey this is what we're doing and then they came back as heroes so it's kind of worked out for them i guess in the end because i'm sure they turned it into book deals or every armageddon to course this week is c s is the consumer electronics show is happening which is kind of awesome was last year since i was like microsoft of a van and they figured oh we get more press when we do our own show than being a part of the big one the big thing so far seems to be  middle of it is four k televisions which is great since there's no four k content out there unless somebody finds a way to get the hobbit into its native format and can play and i just i don't know so we'll see there's was becoming out and we're past the holiday season so a lot of people out there are you know look at their desktop and say and boy you know maybe it's time to replace i buy another desktops i buy a tablet let's hear let's hear your story maybe mr bronner and myself can help you i it is ready for the scrap it is done and over with need to buy a new computer something that is functional for the home have three children and i'm wondering what should i do should i jump out and get a windows eight system should i even desktop or laptop is a question because i'm the take that one once i've backed up all the information back to ground zero put it as a computer available for school use or whatever you know kids with minor internet searches but i want the kids to be able to use something updated as well should i buy an old seven computer that they're trying to shove out the door on clearance should i wait for the finalization of the windows eight upgrade i'm looking for information so we can make our decision should i jump on a based on what's coming stock with because it's so cheap to upgrade to windows eight now sure you can get those ones that might be a season meaning like three months older than that for a much cheaper price pressure right now at square one they have ridiculous sales because this is the buying it saying oh you know it's no longer came out i have to go out now buy a new i mac because of it so i think that definitely you know the the operating system probably is not especially now that microsoft is supposedly going to start doing this year early update where they're going to come out with me now it's rumored that there's this windows blew it's code name it's going on the summer of this year that's basically going to be little more than a service pack i guess is what we like a feature pack and then windows nine will come out next year and then they'll they'll do like a feature pack and i think again and it's going to be that with the call in to the tech world talk where it's always use that where they come up with something like a small date and then a big update so i agree to an extent but i also you know windows eight especially if you're going the windows route it's big selling point is the fact that it is made you know touch screen sensitive and to look at and keep that in mind i guess is whether or not because in a few years like that or get something cheaper i mean a lot of financial stuff for me is in flux right now i'm not saying it's bad or good i'm saying kids are going to be out of daycare in this year so you know my financial situation is going to change as far as care for them goes first grader and i don't want to have something that is a dinosaur it will mean not this computer but the computer i had before this one i bought something underwhelming but i could afford and  years it was ready for the scrappy this one i bought something not you know revolutionary or cutting edge but something at the front end of that and it lasted me for eight years which was great but at the same time i was getting away from that now is everything becoming operating on the internet that i'm only going to need these are enough browser to get through that stuff i mean those are the concerns i'm having right now well i think that is the the big question and for a lot of people we've been again stuck in this mode of and even here at the station i mean we have desktops everywhere and that was going to my next point was going to be you know in the old days you bought a tower the tower was because there were going to be hardware increases you know throughout and it gave you the ability to buy kind of bones system and you could add storage you could add memory so i think well the question of how many people actually did that well right and also now with you know with portable storage you know you wise on your computer and and to me the big shift now is of course office microsoft office which was a big reason why a lot of people are buying desktops is also going to the cloud is going to cloud version you'll be all subscribed to it and  e another thing that the reason why some people would have had a desktop you know photoshop or for me or whatever was also creating a subscription service that you'd be able to use and you would and what's great about that and with office and we always devices are all these software is that you always have the latest version and your computer speed may not have as much impact on it as it normally would because if it's coming from the internet you know you're using it and so it's basically more about browser speed to me the biggest thing with computers still has always been and i've always said you know my best processor you can get the fastest processor because that's the one thing that's a real pain in the neck and most expensive i mean to replace your motherboard or buy a new chip is is the cost most of the cost of the computer but i you know and to me i don't know my suggestion derek can jump into bit you know at this point in time i hate to say it to say it because i hate to say you know apple's been talking about this post p c era i think we're definitely in the midst of that and we are definitely going that route and i'm you know i've been thinking about with the station and what we're going to do in the future as far as anything goes and stuff like that you know when and whether there's going to be a real need for desktop and the disadvantage always of the things officially but you know this is something that we portable when you wanted to be portable but also you'll dock if you want and have your you know meanwhile you has the flip cover for the keyboard you can plug you know they all come it's a fact that comes with  shown off of is going to seven and video has really been at the forefront of these new new processors for mobile and really are extremely powerful don't use a lot of power in a way i would just give the counterargument she was for is that my my my way of thinking is that you're buying this computer for a group of people not just for sight so i see the advantage in the desktop in that regards whereas you don't know who's used the computer last you know where it's going to be at the tree so if you have to jump onto the computer you have that and then you have your peripherals as your secondary portable devices don't forget we have a desktop right now again on the take it back to alpha on scratch everything from everything and started over to be essentially the firefox or whatever i can just kill everything on it and whatever it got infected are afflicted with start over from scratch and so do i want to have two desktops when i have i have an i pad the probably last short or long term plan of it is to get some kind of kindle fire esque thing so we have two of those devices running around so we will have to peripheral devices and we will have a desktop does that change your opinion  all i guess that it's all going to be how long you plan on having this before have to make another upgrade again because your kids are on the scene me getting older and they're going to be using the computer of more intensive things or more daughters in seventh grade so two year class high school's going to be a bigger command on that so my guess is going to be into her high school career probably when she's moving on to college and we're going to buy or a laptop for graduation that's you know what hey area go have a computer it's all yours which is you to show she's going to  technology for like forty minutes six years ago really interested in that this is her so let me ask you then with this new machine what kind of stuff are you looking beyond when browsing  the only thing i'm interested in having on there is some kind of photo storage or editing feature and honestly i don't need anything fancy i am not a photoshop person i truly it is beyond my capability and it's not even for me it's for my wife she loves photos and i cannot get her onto a system to start working on pictures and i think with something even like in my my dad was a big fan of elements you know and that might be a perfect step for  her to get her involved and start working with stuff and doing things on their run through tutorials and even with video editing as well nothing advanced i mean probably two or three steps ahead of something like the windows version of basic editing but just to assemble home movies put things together so she can watch them and basic photo organization so that would be the only big thing on a no intention gaming hack i don't play the we games we have a system very often so  well that i mean definitely sounds like a premiere elements from elements and they do sell them right on the combo i don't know if there is a web version two of those that they have available or i mean it's so inexpensive you probably disfigure photoshop c s two is free for anyone so i mean that's something that could possibly you might be able to put that on your old dead machine at this point just because there's no that's not very demanding on the software compared to how old it's been and those kind of things and you can also get any of the other all yeah i mean my way but at its base you know basic first step hey i mean organize your pictures hey take some red eye out hey crop your pictures a little bit more because the microsoft version is very cumbersome it's not not i'm interested mostly in the organization capability of it and frankly i'd be willing to spend a hundred bucks on the elements one to get her on to their i mean i remember using c s two and being underwhelmed my father was on  elements version i don't know where it was along that line but there were a lot of things he did it just with the organization sense that i think she would love so well but i'm wondering too there are as you mention lus photos and but there's you know there's significant photo editing capabilities and things like that as well but to me that kind of stuff is dependent upon the the type of ecosystem that you live in you weakest system that's kind of you know when you're going extra steps to do that and there's always been free programs like gimp and things like that and that have been out there for years that are free videos a little more difficult because there's not a lot of it's also in there you know eighty dollars hundred hour for her capability though and she's not i call her not computer savvy and that's not the right with hopefully she's not watching this you know she absolutely does not love her to death she's absolutely not watching the show she needs something that's a little more user friendly a little more easy to manipulate and she's the kind of person that wants to get started she would sell teach yourself and go through did upgrade our home computer to windows eight i know it immediately asked it's a do you want to support photos my dad said who is this you know and so and so there may already be that especially if you're buying a windows eight machine  zero one now there's are two your seventy three copies of the same name on it but so i don't know i i guess i don't know enough of where especially altered books i mean they are all beasts of a machine and they're not overly price but i mean you're going to get a good machine out of it and then you still get the portability that may actually be you know one of the better way to go that way you kind of use it on the desktop it feels like it's it's your desktop environment i just don't know if the tower at this point in time is a great way to go i also don't know too if windows seven if there's going to be much of it as far as like great deals on a machines again i haven't really looked i don't know but it's but it's mean from what i've heard it sounds like much you know these places like best buy in those sorts of places you know whatever and you're and you're going to your speculation as need be this you know if you're supposed to get enough to spend that kind of money on a computer you're building it from the ground up so what do you think i think price is going to be a focal issue here i mean  sounds stupid but why am i going to spend more for something that i don't necessarily need to do to put price in perspective just because i mean normally with so much computer and they haven't i don't need to look at computers and you know how many years in a car and on the market for the pricing of my brother just purchased a windows a laptop literally two weeks ago from the internet and i'm not sure if this was a sale that ended or anything it was seven hundred dollars but it was a fifteen inch screen touch screen laptop with four gigabytes around great five hundred gigabyte hard drive windows and all i can stuff when i think we're in that time frame now where yeah that tablet the high and tablets the the good laptop and the desktop those prices are all kind of converging that where they're i mean you're going to spend you know seven hundred two thousand dollars and you're going to get roughly the same i think you know roughly the same kind of quality out of the device hopefully we've helped you  bowling drop number sixty three oh ye