don't have a problem i don't have a problem with that telling them to contact us ok i have no problem with that in fact a debt collection company wants you to call so they could work out some kind of a pain clancy in kuala talk about the debt but the irony here is that they have to tell the consumer that it's were positive it didn't read differently like say for example it says and we associate with moyers another part that with other parts of the country i k i can testify to every single page on the website i can testify that it said what you said ok that business well on the twelve b six it is the trial court has the discretion to look at the least sophisticated consumer standard and say that they're not going to forward bizarre or idiosyncratic the trial court has the discretion to say p c isn't enough and judge sir correctly says the hook and it piece isn't enough by itself to tell anybody because it's a professional would be looking at a different case and we would be looking at whether attorney said law prohibits the least sophisticated consumer to take an action that they would not take if it didn't say attorney said law ok so we have a letter and it's got a web site would say you're still within the act but that would be a position cracked that would be our position and that would go back to the second part of judgment he's hypothetical but i was going to address which was new going to  set up there hey so and so you owe this much money to niagara power please go to this website to find out more information about i'm just struggling with the hypothetical because as judge karen had noted earlier if you're going to this website because you've already decided to make a payment then you're kind of beyond what we're looking at if you you know if you're not going to the website because we've directed you to the end as you go there and go from one to the other if there's an extra hyperlink there that gives you other information and directing you to use it if it's see important disclosures before you make a decision then what we would then be doing is looking at what's on that page ok so your position is it tell me if i'm correct about this is that your position website any more than it would be if they googled niagara power and said well how often do these folks actually sue people to enforce these debts that's an independent investigation and doesn't have anything to do with the communication from my client two th if we had a situation where we knew what was on the site or that there was that even an allegation that the plaintiff here looked at that site then we would then examine and see hey does this site other things on the site that violate the f t c p a is there something here where there are some coercion going on and i'd like to remind the court that besides the decision not to replay the case the case was originally as a class action and one of the reasons why it may not have been replayed i'm just supposing here is that you would have to look and see well that each person go on to this web site which of the people who were sick the outside of an on the low that might indicate other people but this was a debt because you don't want a debt collection company to try to shame people into paying their debts because their neighbors or somebody else in the house can see it now the q r code go into the next car that you can't have that on the outside there was a use of were the q or skinner and the cure skinner found local information which was the file number of quickly it was determined by a lower court that perhaps and this was on a motion to dismiss again and remained on that but i believe it was a ring and that perhaps that information might be personal information there was never a determination in any of this your case is that the internal file number was sufficiently protected information or that it would tell some other latter that because there's no allegation in the complaint that the plaintiff personally looked at the website this case should fail at least on those guys there's no standing because you could be no injury from that if the letter itself is not problematic before you go to the payments page if there was something wrong with that page it's something that would have had to have been assessed differently to the extent that the court found but that was a communication addressed to this debt or as you would have to look at a letter from the back to see if some of the language on the front overshadowing some of the language on the back you look at the actual communication says what the would have made a legal a or if there was information that was that the plaintiff was directed to look at before making a decision or if the player was affirmatively directed to look at that for something other th clients those websites are disclosed in the brief we were bringing in the underlying case there's also a phone number and there's also e mail if you have other kinds of questions if you are still making a decision you go in you call somebody up and you talk to a person if there's some problem with that that's a different issue about the way that communication but this is solomon payments you're deciding where paying the money what he'd say that appears this is a little of poker has gone up a a well quota trees and a lot of the circuits royer gets the consumers knees you know bouncing back and forth they get nervous about it ok they know something could happen so that collection agencies sometimes that ok the point is what they're trying to do is they're trying to get them to call it and they i believe that that is super knows that solomon solemn is a wealth and the not disclosing that they should be allowed my client should be given the opportunity to repleat and if she can read plead we can recreate it and then they can make it twenty six motion down the road and then the judge makes a decision on that but i think that's what the decision is based on i think my client should be given the opportunity to