reveal and to have a defendant initiate separate proceedings having the this court also noted that it did not believe a person action in posing a legal fees should further burden the defendant today we ask this or to uphold these principles and find that when direction of financial assessments and it should continue to do so as it were discussed in lewis the foundation's second prong peer review is fundamental fairness and the integrity of the social system this part of made it clear that decision even within the first district appellate court there's a split on how these he's the should be handled how these matters should be resolved so we do need guidance from this court and for some of the same public policy reasons we've been discussing this missed mistake that was corrected with future guidance could be offered a book correct your mistakes but your honor i think we need to look at it as a as a bigger picture of the entire system and other me shiver on that line though if we do decide to look at the merits of the matter how do we know when something is of erroneous or some amount just plain airy plane error error what is the standard for our review of   well of course they don't they're not making them intentionally these make people make mistakes so how does this vance you know how well how would this case prevent that from happening in the future disputes yes don't think there should be a distinction made with that i think that's a distinction without a difference they are all part of what my client has to pay in order to successfully complete his sentence if he doesn't hate any of his financial status assassins regardless  he doesn't pay and the county send bills to collections there's the additional fees the thirty percent to nine percent there are other consequences for him if he does not pay his fines and fees so i think because the consequences are the same the burden on the client is the same he would still have the same while the case is already on appeal he that has an additional issue raised in a brief that raises substantive issues it could be and it read motion if there is something that is a very straightforward issue for example are composed finds there's no system attorney general josh right on the state of illinois before you get into your argument in this case and i understand there's no those questions are under snow and they do have things to talk about the last thing that  if there's an error in the bill that he gets that error is a terrible error is not the clerk creating some independent legal obligation in addition to the judgment so in this case for example but you didn't answer my question smoothly had the defense made the phone call and i am unfamiliar any circumstance where we presume that government officials will not carry out their duties in an even handed in good faith matter it seems it seems to be a presumption that the court will respond to the states and respond differently to the defense bar i'm not familiar with the basis for that but even if that were the case let's say that the particular clerical employee that defense counsel contact says  i'm not comfortable with doing this with or they're defending the finance council is perfectly free to contact the state's attorney with an independent duty to see justice done in which case the state the clerk's obligation to keep its records in order and for record is not correct that the parties should bring it to their attention that's that's all we're we're suggesting is here there was a clerical error was brought to the extension ada know we're taught you know we're talking about this case and we're talking about general right so with respect to the general view is is there clerks assessment of these part of the record i on what and what is it it is the if and the question is is difficult but when you say when  their let's go to work opposing counsel indicated that the way this has been handled in the past has those assessments of been attached goes to be a public court typically get this to the states and turned the state would say you're right that was wrong right it is not that let's forget everything else for a minute is that now the most is a judicial economy served in that instance when the rest of the appeal was in handle for the of this that is the other problem with dream clerical errors in extra record documents as a people orders is the dates on these these printouts are simpler like the date that they were printed out so if you request the document three months after sentencing and you get a document dated three months after sentencing the one that we got the first corrected is dated i believe it's january eighteenth of this year significantly after and then applying committing scarce a couple resources to deal with this sort of cut and dry oh we dropped a zero we forgot to carry the one in the courts in order this final that even someone made a mistake you know they're never off that morning there's no and then they become part of the record the clerk of courts or those are those part of the court's judgment then if you search what's done when the court orders all all cos you know the court can't order all fines because that's punishment you can't delegate that the court can delegate calculation of fees to resubmit that the the sounder practice is once that allegation has taken place some way to ratify a service subsequent calculation but if that isn't done  we would suggest if it were does delegate its authority to tabulate the various fees that the the clerk's entry of those specific record my argument would not be different but i was just it specifically part of the record then it should be included in the record and it should be a feel as as part of the record and why would that that make all the difference in the world can the  responsibility for making this correction another problem exists as far as all these issues in the trial or if we're talking about doing it by emotions well what motion is available in people they call in the fourth district for defendant to file to resolve those types of issues of people who might in the third district suggest otherwise so there's a need for clarification as to how this should be handled in again our position is that it's most efficient to just resolve these issues in the appellate court while the situations and one of the one of them is that we've all been discussing and talks about it it's understandable it is sentencing proceedings we're talking about long prison terms all kinds of other things that maybe after you testimony from witnesses these are important proceedings that perhaps a priority reasonably isn't on our all of the birds these populous us here and of course that is obviously vaster with these things by doing it up front via the other they're really fines etc it's very complicated that doesn't help make it easy for the people of the trial or it to be able to resolve these issues efficiently there and because it's just not happening it shouldn't be look at these there's a larger issue here and i completely agree this is a larger issue and that's why it's so important that the legislature act and resolve some of these problems that the schedule that they have proposed that the task force has  yes we can identify and try to assist our clients on appeal for people who do exercise their right to an appeal but as your honor was saying there are so many people who probably have no idea about that and part of that comes from the bigger problem with the legislature needing to clean up and clarify some of these complicated statutes so that everyone involved in the system is treated fairly and not paying an off his assets which the government has raise