after fifty years of sleep research william demit from stanford university and the co discoverer of rem sleep states that the only reason we need to sleep that is really really solid is because we get sleepy we spend a third of our lives sleeping well maybe we should spend a third of our lives most americans spend far less due to sleep deprivation and even insomnia yet sleep still defies scientific explanation we know that all animals sleep even dolphins who sleep with half their brains asleep and we know that without sleep we'll die there was a theory studies experts and instead of taking a warm last of milk there are countless pharmacies pharmaceuticals that you can take to help you sleep high ability to vns well going to make art feel better when we talk about creativity and the psychology of creativity what could be more creative than our brains when we're sleeping on this show we're going to get cozy and talk about sleep and dreams sigmund freud said that dreams are the royal road to the unconscious there's romance superstitions religious belief all sorts of things about dreams some people say that they can't remember their dreams and other people are haunted by nightmares what dreams maine and where do they come from hello eddie kim you've come to join and talk about dreams and sleeping and all sorts of things do you do you want to sleep betty yes you do wonderful i think that's a great thing actually i think people who like to sleep don't even have trouble sleeping because you enjoy it you know do you ever dream well i had to bet if you probably dream and do you remember dreams you do ok can do you do hours more than that whole ask because your teenager yeah yeah way you know that that's that becomes of a wonderful thing and actually we know i think adolescents need a lot more sleep and they don't get enough it's a problem with high school why are they and what is what is the healing properties of it or what does it do for sweet well it just makes like they drag down like your room like if it gets so hot and stuff you know it would just make it like in the middle where where  feel balanced the fairy behind them they make them in all shapes and sizes you can get a huge one to place in a large room and they they work like air purifiers like natural air purifiers so that the target eye on it kind of  supposed to purify the air around the small one they say to put on your bedside table because they have to be within twelve to fifteen inches from your head to really work and eddie had a little table right next to his bed and he he enjoyed having a he doesn't really like to sleep in the dark so having the light all the time to be feted like that sort of thing well they're all there again doing research for the show i found that everybody's got a different opinion about sleep so you can have any opinion you want some people believe that sleep big the hours before midnight are very important because of our the rhythm that we have the circadian rhythm though people say it doesn't matter when there's some kind of thin people in this country that's a lot of people who have trouble it's the most common problem that people go to their doctors about is that they're having trouble sleeping and they said of all the things that they've tried this one study they said the one thing that may help people go to sleep is trying to stay awake and that crazy it's almost like if you say i can't go to sleep i can't go to sleep you get very tired and i have to go out is that like because i think i have trouble remember my dreams and they say they're actually there they are not there in our short term memory and that's why it is hard to remember english you have a dream you you you dream several times but for most of us if you don't we try to remember right it first  symbols they're going to we on this show eddie which i told you we usually make hard and then we talk were making art and tonight it makes sense that we would make dream catchers do you know about dream catchers yeah do you have one maybe ok you say no when i was living up in maine a lovely native american woman showed me how to make these out of and i actually haven't made one since then so i realized tonight i'm not sure i remember exactly how to do it but i figured that we can figure this out do you think so and we can make something that will be appropriate all of what she did was use of the you know like willow wall and then so are you as a lost and what is the hope for you you probably think you would have one and use it is the idea that the dream catcher it it can't chance does it catch all dreams or tonight actually these hold together pretty nicely but if you wanted to you could tie a little bit up there and and and and get them tight and i've got several different types of cord i w are you doing there can you got it you got it you can i think a model air around you can't make a mistake with this you really can't because it's going to be beautiful and also because we're making it out of a natural product that's one thing i like about that we just keep going around and then the all right see you there long as you get a weave pattern now there is some legend did anybody ever she told me some legend about the spider that taught the maiden how to do this and then the spider  up dying and she said friendly's from her try the traditional thing was that there always is one deed in the middle of it and that represents the tear of the spider and i think that's the legend i hope we have people that's where she said normally they have usually there is one v and i've got some special b two that you could pick and string it on there and then tie it off however you want to do it and you will there's no mistakes here you can make a mistake ossified see you know make now go under here and pull it through and you got ok now you can make this is tight and you want it you have such good dreams you don't need to make it too tight people who titanic two which is a movie my mom thinks it's horrible but i kind of do are you sure that she thinks it's horrible to have all i think the one of the more recent dreams i had it was i was walking down down the street and i wanted to in my head take a shortcut home so i went through the cemetery and as i was walking through the cemetery of how to snow and i came across a snowy owl perched on a tombstone for creative stone lever and it started talking to me and following me through the cemetery talking to me and there was a the owl did and it was a beautiful snowy owl but in my dream it had a red stripe across its tail