if it is then on covered by the second amendment there is still the question of what regulation restriction bans may or may not be down to it and as to that question it sounds like what you're saying is you never reach it because so if it isn't on any ban on even a single type of form is automatically a violation the second amendment and your driving that from hell were nothing that i see in our says that because heller did an inquiry into the quintessential usefulness of the handgun to defense in the home and talked about fire heard with respect to the nature of the gun and balancing their use in the burdens of the him gun ban on the one hand versus its propensity to prevent firearms violence on the other and that was exactly to me that there are three components to running second amendment in theory one is the person we're not involved with that here but certainly they can be regulations on the second a member of where i loosely referred was prohibited persons felons mentally disabled people who couldn't the awfully be restricted from access to firearms second is is place because there was no question in my mind from a reading were not included without regard to any particular feature oh sure it's all shotguns and rifles that cannot take more than five you say the entire car mass is limited in this case they hand that is not the way categories are treated as has been pointed out of some semi automatic weapons to be included within that and if you define a ten and glory as all semiautomatic rifles the natural category if you define up less than that then that's a lesser category but it's still a category doesn't instantly become a subcategory it's the did it is a price to semantics because it's not the rule in the work as i started out the rule is you can't be uncommon arms here but hell it doesn't tell us whether a ban is what you define it as that's the whole question follow or done with a district court did hear and read that passage about like military weapons and then concluded that anything that can be described as being like it or most like it because to be fair most like it is outside  more and move more dangerous types of which will be available to more citizens  how did you say that for self defense differ you assume and that as i take it doesn't mean necessarily that it would be carmen reason for the purchase is for self defense could be many different reasons why one buys it but it happens in a byproduct of this very popular arm is that it can be used in self defense so if we assume that march therefore we don't have to sell inquiries into future mysie of the regulation how do you propose we do that you suggest that we apply to media scrutiny no it isn't much different ways one can get to that conclusion trying to figure out which is the way it is one possibility is theirs and the commercial media doesn't burden the writing at all ok that seems a little bit difficult to sell even if we're treating it as an arm and you make it as a condition of that it be at least capable of use for self defense it would seem in a ban on it might be thought to at least burden to someone another possible use or some degree of burden that one awful firearm and they are cysteine and even though in that case some unknown studio owner or at least the government can prove in europe it had been converted to automatic fire there was no reason for him to think that it was an l text traditional standard and that there is some scrutiny and analysis that we're supposed to do how do you propose we go about doing it in the greek case and then to show you if i may borrow from some of your language there