all right now it's time to call it actually we're in a public hearing but it started public hearing at seven o'clock and this is to hear the proposed land use revised regulations and take public comment that's all our job it's at this moment is to listen to if there's any comment on the proposed regulations to jump in a watch granted this is the second of this lack of select court hearing the planning commission had when once and during the process we took everybody's comments to heart had a meeting with the planning commission we discussed things and this is the proposed regulation discuss those proposals and then made the final recommendation to give more time for research hard the proposal was that they were to either eliminate or to do different sections there was a difference of we discussed among the board and came up with the recommendation that at this point they'd be eliminated is not a permit it was to give the planning commission time to do research on those ri look i know you have a lot of concerns about how the energy task force had a process we have talked to the secretary of state he said that if there is an issue with kind of meetings yes there may be a violation but he said it's a very gray area the key is they brought this forward at a public hearing so they did not try to hide anything they brought it forward at a public hearing so since it was proposed a public hearing there was nothing forward how do i know there's a public service on the plan plan or anything if any of this is being used in the thought process as to whether you doing of the other people that have seen that letter and so forth how do they perceive it is evidence it should be thrown out well i'm sorry you feel that way david  future but because of that it doesn't matter i mean i could bring that up as a selector person myself and argue and try to convince the others like more members and so it doesn't really matter i mean the process is a process yes and we don't want to have this happen again but that does not flow the public hearing there was a several public hearings you had a public hearing where the task force sent a letter the public the public hearing for the select board members of the task force came themselves and spoke that is the one we're basing our regulations on and as that we send it back to you said we decided that we're going to do it this way for the moment give you time to do more research and utilize every search of the the task force utilize the research of the conservation committee and then we can move forward with a better look at drive through member report and then at that time they have a chance to weigh in and give comment again to the what board on how they feel about those changes and the situation again and i'm just pointing out to you i tried to point this out to you he got no comment on the number of occasions i put it in writing since august i thought when i brought it up obvious right david we are going with the recommend this down to that but i'm just pointing out yet that i think we appreciate your concerns that you want to make sure that everything meeting one person said what difference did it make if we have a meeting to discuss this letter and so forth so i brought up the problem way back in august two meetings after the joint meeting and it take drugs of any vote they don't keep track of anything and it's all in the paperwork that i gave you there and i brought it to the select board it to me has nothing to do with great now this is a public hearing for discussion on the actual draft like sorry i mean you know appreciate your comments but right now this is what we're here to talk about is the draft regulations as they sta my bones and that may be processed for render for commercial purposes that's in the cart with the definitions in the unit so are you saying to me if i want to build a slaughterhouse on my and so we're requiring it for commercial establishments to screen the to hide the cars for the people that are using their commercial establishment that's a really big handicap for someone is trying to make a living when you think of yourself as driving driving canonical development so i pointed out to you i put that in the record but the one thing that i notice more than anything else is the fact that the regulations that are based stone thank you for that comment we have four minutes of public hearing that before the next public hearing meeting between the planning commission and the board to hear anything and he's only been to one meeting regarding any of these issues or the process of these regulations so it really be decided by two people for the whole town now there is another process yes there is another process david i would recommend that the slight board hardly consider on their own to put it that way to fail but when asked why we also have a planning commission and various iterations of the zoning regulations right now we're trying to get to the hard work that everybody has done over the past year pass through and then  in the next iteration these concerns can be addressed checks considerations natural resource considerations and various things in regard to your drives race right now we're trying to do the updates that we have to address current problems that came up through the last iteration that's why we keep reiterating they're not set in stone and silly appreciate your comments and your concerns that were you know need to rather th but the job if you look at the records and so forth and how it's one down and how everything happened you would see that the planning commission did not feel what's happening to unless there's any other cause i'm going to close the public comment now on the zoning regulations because we have a public hearing that everyone is here dying to hear about the alternatives on section forward start actually the end of the interesting sidewalk is located right there and the idea is that we would go back to a little bit further between the house and woods the barn to where the sidewalk is a little further from the roadway because right now it comes in very close to the roadway at the very end of that sidewalk and ideally i'd like to move further that actually is the case but we have to actually go to the next step with a bit more of an archaeological study actually if we want to start if we want to disturb it right right or if man and the sidewalk and that's that's required but without a curb if you if you think if you reduce the travel lanes to ten feet then you would end up with a four foot very shoulder or we can move the sidewalk not just one side yet i mean ideas between the two designs is do you want to preserve the option in the future to potentially provide wider i'm sure for bicycles you don't have to do it now bike on this and the answer was well they can kids can make a point in your training system if you climb the sidewalks lordly road in the water run across that is not one that i would recommend and i think you would agree with that because of the problems where the sidewalks  get slippery and to try to bring the sidewalk close without a curb and catch the drainage you're talking proselyte three catch basins or so forth if you figure the pitch and the water runoff it's not  considered to favor the higher absolutely you need to just and i think you agree with me if you look at those other sidewalks so you know yourself how hard it is to carry a grade for x number of feet three feet wide w and we're at eight twenty one this is the regular slick board meeting of december sixth we start with the public to be heard for items that are not on the agenda do we have anybody who has something that is not on the agenda well hearing none they will move on to the draft plan presentation time this evening and michelle boomhauer with the cheney regional planning commission and i'm here to talk about the discussion draft of the regional plan which we have been working over the past eighteen months or so to update and charlie baker the executive director is traveling on commission business this week and was unable to join me so he sends his regards and we have been tureen to meet all of the elected officials throughout the county and to get the word out publicly about the regional plan update the process is a little bit different this time in that we received a housing and urban development grant through the regional sustainability program federal program to look at the planning process in a different light and to bring together what has traditionally been three major municipal planning documents the regional plan the comprehensive economic development strategy which is developed by the greater burlington industrial corporation g b i c four e p a economic development authority purposes and the metropolitan transportation plan which the metropolitan playing organization historically has developed and as a required federal document much like the comprehensive economic development plan and so bringing those three documents into this one regional planning document that's comprehensive in moving forward in that manner is looked to be a more efficient way to go about doing this to more effectively coordinate and collaborate and move a regional agenda forward in terms of many of the things that each of these organizations do cross over in terms of their impact on communities in the region and to basically save time and money and efficiency of resource as for staff and participants we've had over sixty five organizations participating in the ecos planning process through a major steering committee and we've had a variety of public outreach efforts that have gone on we've had  about twelve different steering committees subcommittees dealing with housing transportation natural resources economic development etc which have gone in depth and produced analysis reports as well as the variety of recommendations that have funneled forward to become the actual plan that we will be presenting for public hearing beginning probably in about march of next year  coming forward in two thousand and thirteen tonight i only brought the discussion draft elements which are really the strategies and actions to present to the select board and we are taking this public comment through excepting through the end of december and then to sell it to sterling and january to then move into our final draft document for public hearing the so the full plan document will be on the website the materials you have in front of you outlined the major strategy areas and i just want to touch upon the strategy areas and i'm not going to read through the document but i do have extra copies if anybody in the audience is interested in these in this piece of information and so beginning with economic development we five that there were sort of eight focal areas within economic development that were the very highest priorities now there are a lot of other things volo these but in terms of looking at economic development strategically retaining developing in attracting high wage value adding employers is probably the biggest region have mostly been built out and finding places for manufacturing locations is going to be one of the challenges we face going forward into the future and so g b i is really focused on that we heard a lot from employers when we did outreach meetings related to workforce development education and skills making sure that students are coming out of high school and training programs with skill sets that match the needs that we have in our region and jerry  at the rotary meeting last weekend talking about his company my web server and you know looking to basically attract people that have web building skills and do we have programming  there and then goes on to talk about the creative economy working leanne's in terms of forestry and agriculture tourism obviously is a big component here in the county as well as the state and then making sure that all of the related actions for science technology and mathematics housing affordable housing for work forces and transportation investments and other infrastructure investments are supporting the economic development activities the second major area is looking at focusing growth in the regions so that we would strive to have eighty percent of all new development focused into our areas planned for growth which amounts to about fifteen percent of our land area and this actually is depicted in the map that's about halfway through the document on page sixteen that's in the the page numbers in the bottom jericho that have those have those does a creations in terms of where you would like to see the most of your growth going so as to preserve other areas in the rural south setting of the community as much as possible for  agriculture forestry and other recreational uses accent or a clearly not every town is going to have the specific percentage mix burlington roomies ski south burlington are going to have much more focalize growth in their communities than in the rural areas but it follows along with state designate programs and interests in trying to make sure that we are able to adequately provide infrastructure by  grow in our areas plan for growth and that follows along with municipal planning and zoning laws that will support these activities taking a look more closely as we as we have  affordable housing and energy and trying to make sure that we are keeping costs as reasonable for our communities and the participants in our communities as we possibly  can state and local permit in coordination and improvement this is an area that we all talk about every legislative session it seems like a really difficult bridge to cross in terms of getting the appropriate level of ordinances and permitting at the different levels of development but we would continue to try and strive to make sure that perhaps in those areas where you have planned for growth there might be less regulation from a state level because you are regulating at the municipal level that sort of thing transportation plan investments i'll talk about those a little bit more in a few minutes and then  also the next one also deals deals more with transportation on the number be the third area is looking at the safety and water quality of our rivers streams w ds and lakes so really looking at hazard mitigation are we making sure we're doing flood protection streaming protection those elements and then also are we looking at the water quality we have a lot of communities that are dealing with storm water issues from a regulatory perspective and then really trying to prevent other communities from coming into an area where they are not adequately addressing storm water in a proactive manner and then are being faced with really large infrastructure impacts in terms of storm water management going on into the future the next area deals with looking at our working lands  from being developed or from being used in a manner that is not consistent with longer term goals and then we also have other agencies working in the seri of the farm to play  initiative really is looking at diversity cultural applications and so that's really an example of one of the partner partners in this process as well as the vermont working landscape partnership which recently came into being and looking at ways to wellbeing health and safety and so it's looking at emergency preparedness are we prepared at a community level are people prepared at an individual level and then also some areas that have not traditionally been included in regional planning but many of the partners that came to the table including agency of human services united way and others you know recognise that this of a community begins in each and every household and so our basic needs being met financially that ties back to economic development  issues are we addressing obesity are we you know providing access to food that is going to be wholesome for people are we providing recreational exercise opportunities here sidewalk discussion is a great example of that and all the infrastructure that you've developed here in the community to provide opportunities for people to get size and the activities that they need and then substance abuse are we  looking holistically at trying to minimize some of the risks that come to our communities from substance abuse caregiving this really gets into not only youth care but elder care becoming a much more significant part of all discussion along with the universities and g b i see from a business perspective and workforce development and i won't get into great detail here but really looking at the fact that if we can get kids  reading by third grade the outcomes in terms of being more effective in the workforce reducing incarceration etc really is significantly altered by making sure that kids reach  benchmarks and so working with the schools in a collaborative way to help make sure that students are getting the skill sets in in a timely and effective manner and great example on mount mansfield success are having so tools increment financing local sales tax special assessment districts that they may need to be considering as well as any other programs that state offers related to  downtown doesn't nation excited that would bring some resources to communities to make sure their infrastructure investments are made so that they can continue to develop vibrant communities i think you know you're going to be certainly over time facing issues we've talked about them related to wastewater disposal and you have the champlain water district through here so that's a great investment that's been made but if you want to continue to grow and make those investments  community infrastructure will be important financing of various programs transportation financing clean water financing certainly we're going to be seeing that a lot in the legislative discussions this coming year there is a transportation financing report that's going to be coming out as well as a report on how we're going to pay for the cleanup of lake champlain and addressing abatement of storm water issues so that's always going to be a struggle i think every year your budgets get tougher and tougher and so you know what can be done to look at addressing reduction of the burden on the property tax and looking at other unique ways to do funding what about multi jurisdictional services are there ways to collaborate with adjacent communities and so focusing in those ways to help communities get more for the resources that they have available and then finally  the last one has to do with the changing nature of our community we have a lot more diversity in our community than we've ever had before here in shannon county and making sure that whether it's people that are coming here to want to continue to consider so those are sort of the over are chain elements there's a lot under anything which of those that we will be programming into our work program and working with our other partner agencies in this effort to have everybody focused on these similar objectives and moving them forward collectively as we get past adopting this plan and start to implement it we are going to be having benchmarks that we developed that will be measured every year s t a report card for the region so we know how we're doing against the elements that are the backbone for these strategies that i just described and that will i think give us a much better pathway than we've ever had before in terms of how the planning process relates to getting things done so we're very excited about that the next few pages has to do with the lists of projects that we developed in working with your miniscule staff and discussions at the community level in terms of what may be coming up on the horizon for needs and for jericho we have village water waste water as well as library improvements separate from transportation we'll talk about those in a minute if there are any other major projects that relate to public infrastructure and resources that you want to have included in this list certainly let us know we can get those added into the list  this list is really about having things identified so that if opportunities come along through through e p a or other resource areas that we you know we're sort of always focused on the goal of what communities are needing know i think that's is a great example where you know there's a collaboration that may have to naturally occur up there for things to get moving forward the last section of the hand has to do with the projections for the next twenty years on transportation planning and projects and on page twenty one we have a table there that talks about the projected amount of funding that will be available for the next twenty years to have about one point one billion dollars in resources coming into the system for all of our transportation system needs to maintain and preserve the system we have already invested invested in building will be about seven hundred fifty million dollars we have a four year program of committed projects right now which includes our transportation improvement program as well as alternatives to the sirkar away which are being under develop over a three year period that are about just over one hundred million dollars in investments in the short term and that after you subtract off those commitments we have about three hundred ten million available for the next twenty years for new efforts  we surveyed all the communities and looked at regional needs and we have about eight hundred fifty million dollars in needs so we're about five fifty sure which is a lot of money and you know that it's hard to say where things are going to go really we only have a two year federal transportation bill the small state minimum guarantees for formula funding that we have always enjoyed in vermont formalised been removed while we still have those revenues in the current transportation bill we don't know where things will go when the next transportation bill at the federal level and what will you will end up with so right now we get about two ninety five on every dollar that we send to washington and we may be back down to simply getting what we send and that's a huge gap in addition to the gap we've already identified here so it's you know it's going to be sort of a tough picture the spreadsheets toward the back brake the different project areas by mode of transportation so the first spreadsheet deals with high school pedestrian facilities and then it goes on to to look at park and ride rail road way  and then transit at the end you'll see a dashed line in each of these prioritize lists and these lists were prioritized based on criteria related to this overall eco project what all of the committees had come together and said were the most important priorities or ranking projects and if anybody's interested in how those rankings occur i'm happy to get that information for them but essentially the dash line shows where the money runs out within that category area that's not to say that if you have a project below the dash line that it would never get funded you know there's a lot of reasons why projects advance and there's a lot of factors that we have no control over or we have control to sort of move projects ahead of other things that become higher priorities so i wouldn't get too hung up on what's above and below the line this is simply to demonstrate sort of the magnitude of the need compared to the potentially available resources that we may involved and it's a very different looking regional plan than prior regional plans but it has a you know it's been very interesting because it gives a much broader vision of planning and with the other partners it yeah there were like two hundred thirty or something all these different things and as part of the steering committee the week we saw this big picture in the book that's why it went off to the subcommittees of every subcommittee then prioritized what was going on and when i came back to the regional planning commission when we first had our first trip people went well what about this what about this each committee person who happens that oh but you know we looked at it but it really never bubbled to the surface and all the the right is there are some there are many areas such as higher education that are doing very well in the course of course introductory that they are and that they have a stakeholder group that is really focused on making sure that that continues to progress in a positive way so a lot of the things that are working positively that are moving ahead of their own volition they're contained in our bigger report so there's an economic analysis report on the website that you can look at and there's also in the plan document itself there's going to be about four pages on economic development that will have some information in there about higher education and its value as part of our sort of core but in terms of an economic is the discussion graph that anybody can make comments on because the idea is that they will go back to the committees and come to the ecos steering committee floor and then i'm for something right so we do have a representative from you v m not only on the eco steering committee even on the leadership committee for the project and so make sure that you know we have a discussion with that group around this issue so last the board was comfortable with where they were with the capital but for the public hearing so you're being asked tonight to warn the public hearing for january third at that time you'll have t we've had quite a few discussions on the budget so this is the budget battle binder that has much more the details behind the numbers that we discussed that actually john mandated outside agency is three thousand dollars there isn't the right place for it or should it be somewhere in well i guess highways are really highways i mean it's an outside agency at this the result of individuals coming in to discuss potential scenarios with the lister of what the tax impact would be and unfortunately those scenarios were not undone before the graham list was l list that is slightly higher than what it actually will be revised tax bills have been issued the school tac should be taken care of in the true up at the end of the year so the previously we had some work done on bridge seventeen this past summer repairing making some repairs to some of the abutments the guardrail and i believe the curbing in also with that work we had some core samples taking of the deck and those core samples showed some deterioration so we contacted the district five supervisor to get some idea of what we might be able to do and he let us know that there were funds remaining in the time on highway structures grant program that was really nice yes and that program funds engineering so he told us that if we were able to get a quote for the engineering services and to apply we were likely to get funding so we did that and we did get the funding in a so and we were lucky didn't require us to get a bunch of different quotes but to go  with a known firm that we've worked with that they've worked with so it's the total contract is for twenty two thousand four hundred the town share will be twenty two hundred dollars the hope is that we can get this project going pretty quickly so that we could have plans in the next few months that would allow us to apply for a grant to do the actual construction this coming round of structures gra let you discuss it before deciding whether you wanted to get the money well that's what i think part of the discussion should be yeah waiting for some developments in the case essentially to see if there is restitution what type of restitution there would be and what that would be for they more or less what they're saying is they want to see what he will be legally obligated to repay and to whom all before they pay up before they decide what they're going to do because if but they already decided they conviction or a plea i mean i don't know because it's still alleged and there is restitution as part of that that has to be paid to the town th us it makes it easier for them to wait because if they do get it back then they just hand it over to us but they've promised to give it to us either way so why are we waiting what they said is they said it wouldn't be depended on it guilty or a conviction but they want to fight what i'm hearing is they want to see what that result is first and i'm saying if it is there we're not saying if there isn't waiting for even waiting to see what he's going to have to pay still know there isn't one of them there they're both in different positions there's a new station commander and there's a new troop commander so you spoke to last france yes ok and that's who