on which involve products materially not distinguishable from the products in this case and the legal issues and the stamps and case were very close to the issues here i'm not suggesting that the courts are just rubber stamp what we're arguing before every device as t v except one is a binary and so even if it was on that issue we would win on everyone but one product secondly the needs for that be restricted to your race much wow the law doesn't require that there be a requirement the question is is the claim generic to these two different mos i submit it is and if it is the case or makes point to the fact that that s ts product uses what is called status information rather than what is called data or program information i submitted again the case law makes it clear that the name you give to what is going on is not important question is what is going on and what is going on here is that the data stored in the actions is dentical to the target every case without exception in erase mode and therefore the fact that one is called state is what is called the program the information is really irrelevant now let me ask you about that man i'm a little nervous because i knew some of the material here is confidential so  rely on you to stop me immediately if i start thinking something i don't wish to have i do you just agreed i mean i understood what the a j c that he says that it has to store actual data to be programmed in the particular  and what will happen is that you will get the number you you will get the ultimate number in the race and that's in it it's actually data one is data what you call a status number  not is actually data and it's data in both cases but it's not data is it gets to be programmed into the cell it is right at the end result is that you get exactly if you have if you have a one and fifty pair specifically referred to lack as and shift registers and that's not the only place in the map where it references both fact more than substantial loads let's turn to the other element that mr downer talked about which was a means for temporarily stronger once again it isn't completely an issue  programs it is clear that this is on the step because you're not going to have a logical correlation at all because there aren't two different modes what's in the q b labs have to always be the same the race but there is such a thing as programming in the race mode if you look at eight to seventy starting college ninety line fifty seven through college twenty line fourteen they basically is talking under programming well the way we avoid it for that particular feature is we use the source more placidly as the training officer and we use in other a structure that hit it it is not we're not focusing on what happens within those things with electrons which is exactly what the samsung administrative order generation we're focusing on the actual structure of use and look does that overall structure finding a good word in the s t structure and we say does sure if you can if you look at a micro level and you go down to the details of what happens having electrons will you will find the differences that mr was referred to but that's not what this invention it's about this inv