ok so i make a motion to approve wells country store for liqueur and tobacco license for the year two thousand and thirteen  so and then the other thing to do is think about just as we were discussing this you park it till july then you do this work and then you find out you need to do the head gasket now you've got our operator jed who's the also something all of those things  heaters that they have currently if they ordered it wrong and put them in their employees of one large heater each one of them would be ninety degrees to the other side of the chute two different directions and then order was larger heater the same existing so it does their age three would be  heaters and then they turn around say to take the two new thirty to one thirty two k's so that actually smaller than what they quoted us that they said no it's the same  and you know he's got that but well here's waste oil heater business and he does large buildings just like what we have and again this is just one guy's opinion but he is in the business of it they do have ways to allow heaters that switch easily between number two and waste oil like florida clean automatically he also said to me he felt that these type b heaters up high like that with as much so in that building as what we have they run out really really quickly he life expectancies over ten years in their clean he suggested even though it's more money upfront but we should look at a single heating plant somewhere more you know in the utility room or something like that running ductwork at least look at that option and weigh them because maybe this whole design is a flawed design to start with of hanging these heaters i don't know that but that was just he is a you know and i'm sure he'd be willing to come down and meet with you guys at least offer his two cents might i just wondered if the cost savings cut drastically and the only other thing to consider here and i know this is a whole nother subject but we still have the phone ceiling issue and i always wonder if one option due to the fire hazard of the foam ceiling would be to ever do a drop ceiling in there there's no need for it to feed will ceiling in a building like that and i didn't know if that would make any sense you know maybe getting to the energy committee involved in this but is are just working a drop ceiling and it's a totally different oil so anyways do we step way back here and since we have a little bit of time and we look at this subject you know i think we should look at the whole building because like we're up to twelve be hard wired in battery and i think he did also that was unknown as a regional estimate and we didn't see that till we got the letter back from the state so i think that's what the additional cost here i think  obvious so so my thought was that it was being done because you were going to birthday party but if it's not that's fine yeah so you know it's just it's just building maintenance over budget i guess all in all i'm really asking is when you do and donating money and serve come up with a plan of what we're going to progress with this ended up believe it or not actually choosing the lowest bidder i'm very surprised myself i didn't think i would do that but we did and i go over just i just move over quickly some of the backcrosses in the elimination so you can references on them and then i also thought really from maine i don't i feel a little leery that they might not keep up on all the vermont statutes interest in whatever form it is and the next when johnson and lambert right underneath them i've worked at them previously had other companies and so they had so they do have a really good statewide organization i understand they hear that from people but i couldn't find anyone to give me a reference on them no colchester when you ski neither one of  father bill's quality of work and with their i'm fresh you know demeanor and they charge us an extra three thousand dollars last year because we went again as we've been i do all the work so that was like one of the main they will rotate normally when a firm comes out they want to keep the same people working on iraq i mean but they will if you want that rotated because you want fresh eyes they will rotate you know you're going down the line they will do that and they have a big enough bench to great references they've been there about twenty years actually the woman from norwich they went out they went out to bid with them i guess nearly four years ago so this is that and then they went out again and they have them for a second three year term so she's everything else about them technically you know it's it's very good and i would recommend that we go with the lowest there this time and unless you have some they said they would come out you know walk to the processes and look at how we're doing things and that and rick i think that was a really good grasp because although we've changed a lot of things we you know when john without getting started and sherry and i started our stuff it's hear twelve dollars and forty eight cents to put that is the lowest salary for any employee because it's the livable wage salary in vermont and  really well i guess we have a new system of course that only makes twelve dollars so we have two employees that are under that that and i did not put elected officials on here because this is employees like  and then in the underhill twenty fourteen budget down split people are scheduled to get effective july first so you can see some are some are you know pretty close to almost all of them fall within that range somewhere and so what this what has to happen you know with this is just like a first step of trying to get some numbers in order then what has to happen is you know a policy which i can you know write something as that step normally then you stay in like the first couple of steps for a short period time you might only stand the steps a year then in the next mid range or in those steps you may be in that step or two or three years performance well see it's time there would be both so you would have you would have time based on if they get a good review and they don't have any you know bad things about it then their time would go in there then you could have a special movement for america if somebody get a special project or somebody is not quite up to the next level but they're above and beyond whatever and then you know we just have to get that into a policy so that says this is might only get you know one percent right or you know i actually went to train with us as part of the state and the only problem they were facing with it was that it takes into account  what your job entails and it takes into account your performance what it didn't take into account when they were trying to figure out how to do was work volume because some people doing one hundred did a great job about it but they weren't  step you need to find in every every position step would need to be defined aggressive down across well yeah well every this is the first the first go at putting i mean i didn't get assigned points to these jobs you know given different places they just seemed good that i looked at like international engineers and looked at some other municipalities and then i looked at the d l c they've just kind of see where the people with that we may make some changes to that but this is  complicated process that you would then and one would then describe each step for each position and what you need to accomplish within that step you mean to get your pay advance rate really is that every well scription for each part well no no i wouldn't think so i think what we're saying is you would have to do something for experience if somebody came in in a higher level but if we're saying that that it's only based on getting say a four out of with minimal experience he would come in at step one as he comes up he gets more if you go to step to the next year if you've got a five if we're doing a process like that i don't know how we review people it's just  you know i'm used to doing the charts and you have like ten or fifteen different areas and you get all and then you get a four point two for something we don't have a form for that for but i've got some other subject totally so but we have to step up our review process so that people can get their rights or do we really want to do we want to go this far or do we want to just improve on our current type of system minimum wage and it and i think a couple years came up and i think the latest one it has that's just one page it has a whole bunch of narrative experience so interesting correct me if i'm wrong there's two different levels of wages one with think i agree i think the good points are that you know the employer knows where they're going all that kind of stuff and it and it keeps you on track and thinking about it but we only have nine  for that job and just making sure that we had some kind of review process in it i mean the thing that i just like is that you go everybody gets two percent or everybody gets three percent everybody gets five percent there really are people who are putting out more who maybe sh enough and one who is way over there but overall it's really really pretty good here so i think the exercise you're doing great piece a feel like yourselves on the part of one budget to go around so far but i felt that was much too random for what we were doing and we need to get away from that brand of discussion that we had that time in the milky looking at just that overall number doesn't seem like enough about but i think i think to take on  a form to rate highly people it's just that you guys are very busy and at the time we have a row forming and you would have been the one who had to do the reviews and it just never got done  right so we come into that a little stronger to drop a dog here when i was doing this in a previous company usually our department would be given ok you work budgeted four point eight across the board in your department and then the manager of  done that so you know i get all the paperwork together now tell me the name and we'll kind of you know see if we can get caught up and then he would take my kids stuff and bring it to you i don't know if you want you know happens if you do that you've given yourself too much to do with that one kind where where if they're at their anniversary date it's greatest eggers right minister but but want to make sure that they're all done by this august and then you was we had talked about as developing something that would be reset our goal was that certain goals and then you would really we would submit these are the goals were going to do and then we worked for them and then you rate it doesn't some of the goals or way yeah yeah for my son for price if you take the fifty thousand dollar estimate for construction and that this fifty thousand dollars estimated engineering cost for the whole project would never come jack correct or is it just fifty thousand dollars engineering just for the first section no no no fifty there's no way it's going to fifty thirty that means new one it's been studied and right what happened where the mistake came in as i understand it is that the original proposal for the engineering is going for face war she doesn't have i don't think she has a figure as yet so the four hundred thousand for the total project just construct you know what she said the total project pressure originally had included engineering and that when it got broken down the engineering people get broken down amongst the faces so i'm not afraid of being involved in many states of pride for this little section that's thousand no fifty thousand total to forty thousand and that's just for construction so that's with an eight thousand dollar match but now she's thinking it's going to be more like fifty thousand and it will be announced in august ok so the total cost here's here's what we have the total cost of the project was for twenty seven k ok and as a part of the includes that included forty six thousand for engineering so if you prorate that would give me a good idea so why are we even looking at this looks like she's asking you to sign this letter for mom no that was originally that letter was originally what was supposed to sign tonight for grant that she was preparing to do next friday however with these changes that grant paperwork the financial piece of it she can complete oh yes we're not doing that letter tonight i know that she han this packet four thirty i thought she was going till that point i thought she was going to be fair i have talked to her about this and i was trying to get from her what she needed to do tonight yesterday but i never obligated twenty percent would be ten rather than eight there's an option for a portion of the twenty percent match to be in kind services has to be approved by the this like board be willing to provide two thousand of him kind service to me our match requirement that's the question i guess the matches where it comes down to  they notify you because i think that's like the max to do sitting there and we get a thousand a year so we're kind of at that back so couple of things i was looking through files on the system under for the expense that we incur for cleanup day so she had put in a request for funds to cover paying the employee to work saturday paying for the truck down hours  you put a dumpster out and they have a cleanup day like burlington doesn't the college move out they put dumpsters all over the place i'm sure that you some of this great money and maybe some day i don't know if there's any community leaders in that area but you put it down strong people get rid of chairs and couches and you know kind of stuff like that but something i think about the future you know fish if we have five thousand in a bank you know so  different the son open space contract of the town have another town taxpayers offset the taxes for these folks and there are certain requirements minimum o ask zero nine four in attending and there's a couple things when i notice the budget is it's getting less and to feeling like ok maybe we should have a process so that when i'm asked to sign you guys up we're all on the doesn't necessarily cover you guys because you're above and beyond that but what we have under professional development we have workshops presented by state agencies computer software providers professional associations that center are provided for each department budget and maybe attended by employees of walking for me without prior select approval in order to keep current on statutes regulations and laws governing position so the rest of us on this were in the budget we don't have to have approval and historically what's been happening if someone like them for wants to go because of your position you just go and you do have if you are a little bit over on the training budget you have a huge contingency fund and stuff and so it hasn't been that other than just the budget gave you what i anticipated we would spend i increased training for you because you have the you sort board member so i think i brought it after i'd have to look again but i think i added like another two hundred seventy five to it two thousand and nine the reserve was never really by john or the auditors didn't catch it either so that seventy one hundred has already been spent i will have to take it out of the reserve ok because in the circles i thought it was and it composting  ok but the other thing he says that from two thousand and five joe march of two thousand and ten the recreation committee had been doing a one chin that the town meeting and then they just joined their money end and they were supposed to be able to then spen and and it's their money to give this if they raise it and what they want to do with it is they may be able to restore half court basketball patent who just brings that really big just to let you know that the seventy one hundred is gone that that money was clive to true i think it was like we have to look it up again like three thousand dollars from the town the rest was collected by donations from the jewels and it was used it was used to for the tennis so and then i asked them to you know total it up for us and when they did they did cut back on the lever feel a little bit of we have a new proposal and the total is going to do your motion i don't know if this is your brain works out there do you have a broken up like  and fire wall dated april ninth two thousand and thirteen for the amount of fifteen thousand and eighty five dollars so now it's open we have a motion we have a second no it's a result of some discussion i think we're only ten weeks away from a new fiscal year where we have make money set aside for all the stuff in the c h p think twenty twenty thousand that right there and i know we need this but having tight budget if if we could go to them and say hey look can you give us fifteen zero five fifteen you know we do you know we go them and say i want this but i want to buy it on july one and then we wouldn't really be easier on our budget we are struggling right now i have a follow up question if i have one on what's to be time from the time sort of weeks four weeks or so if we start running into problems we would have well you have you basically have ten weeks we go with this proposal fifteen thousand zero eighty five for the for the hardware software labor from the tech group dated april ninth tw thirteen but asked them to postpone this installation intel july one our new fiscal year and also asked them please if they could start july  guess fine by me and i also think i'd probably like to join one station down at a time or whatever i just my main concern is pam and she's any of the tax hikes the first part of july and it's like you just don't even want dated i had asked about can we stand up on the contract our really great until july first and they said well yes however we're willing to give you a month break and you can start using the partial managed contract you first  wouldn't even ever believe one bill you for doing that was a free month so i just wanted to let you know they were offering that to us to help us with the budget piece so i think we could if that should be action but on the second proposal for the actual man it's remote managed services they cut the amount down a hole so if you remember right the last one came in fifty one something and the new one they dropped it to forty eight thirty six per year which beyond to have that highly managed plan and in the past we've just bought ours more you can speak to more of the exact hours on top of my head but it was fifteen we spend between three thousand and forty five hundred dollar a package of hours you're a mean and pre buying can you provide and this thing we're buying is a lot more than we've ever spend spent and it's a lot better system that we think would be running better so it the hourly you know i think i think maybe maybe i didn't find it but yes it's more than what we normally pay but it's it's for managing you know file server to network and and always be in there and correcting these before they happen and the types of things that we would have been calling them about should like not be and should go away and yeah so they should they should go away and so and i would think  you know it's extremely important because it is a new piece of technology is there is that none of us know how to work it to at least do it for the first year he said we needed then and when we lost we will continue to get detailed explanation of members and then looking at that spreadsheet maybe they have a spreadsheet of a lot of places but they were only talking about five of those and three of them were property damage to were injuries so even though i had a lot of spreadsheet that was referring to five of them so knowing that whatever they come up with you have a say in whether or not we want to do that do you want to go ahead and let them do that study on the section of road or i mean last time we saw you had made a motion to go ahead and do it if we had control which we do so i take it with that unless you want to change that motion and it i just need to sixty sure it's going to remain trying to think of the name of it before you get to park right after park people maple maple ridge or maple water yeah that's what it was the ones that they were pointing at you know all right so we made that motion last night you know are you did as long as they you had control over whether or not you had to do the financial commitment right when you do so i just need a signature to get to them by april twenty nin