number of issues both in education i would say in town government as well terms or ways to continue to collaborate i think in the revenue opportunities within it was a number of have come up with some additional revenue streams and sources  d on the capital projects no surprise and here on the table you know there's a dire need here for in this major capital projects we actually met with all of the respective stakeholders and they came in and all of them expressed concerns about you know the current building projects that they occupy you know with members of town government at this time employees so on the capital projects the the report will clearly outline those needs as to increase parking fees in our town lots which will result in additional revenue between forty and sixty thousand dollars so nice to have but clearly not enough to balance w us future gaffes in the budget i think that group in particular and it probably some of the other working groups as well we've heard this a number of times from floyd will remain in place as a working group continue to look for revenue opportunities now i understand these are not tax revenue opportunities i talked about a couple projects proved one of the things we can do there is look at as we decide on sort of per privatization s needs so that's just taken a lot of work on tom government which i was a part of we met with other some other contiguous communities no one has any real serous really frankly we were doing everything that we so you can do within government clearly there is additional ideas around innovation perhaps some consolidation we've always heard the buzzword regionalization we should rule that out that's a difficult thing to do but as we met with some of these other surrounding communities i think we have a department heads of all of them came in and we asked them this question if you had to build a department today what would it look like to no surprise to me i guess and to us they all came in asking for you know a substantial increase in staff finds if you will and recommendations other financial taskforce and then the boards like room have to make some decisions in terms of when we do from there one of the things we did do on monday evening is and i s it's because we're so involved in the details here it would be wonderful since this group you know has worked extensively with the town the partment in the you know in the school department to really look at the numbers that we've come up with on the modeling side and  you know challenge them question them ask you know and and ensure that at least we generally have it right and i don't think we're asking for you know real detail sort of down to the penny view which i know you w sort of have interactions with state agencies as well so we'll see where that comes out i don't know whether this community will support every single one of those needs but i believe that they there is a need for all of the projects to least be addressed in some way and as it relates to capital projects or is it that there is a kind of a very ward there's a there's a a group of very very large projects things like the high school or the library or the police addressing the endless list of non major building capital projects and of course the requests from the travel budget committee to infuse more revenue into the capital budget and so the financial fire truck or a car we you know we see the need to get into that but what we did see is the need to address or at least address the requests to infuse more money into our capital needs so it before it comes about several years ago that was going to address that it did not pass we've subsequently you know obviously chipped away at the problem with money each year but what has how is the capital project me thought about the roads in the context of it's it's i would say that it was a consideration but i also would say that that was kind of pushed to the financial model and sort of ok discussion and how you would infuse perhaps more money into roadside work appear ok if that makes sense and not to descend my curiosity how did you come down on naming naming rights on capitol hill actually actually i think it might have been a topic tonight the revenue subcommittee was it i think there was a there were two groups there's the revenue working group that i am part of and james part of the school department and we had a conversation the conversation about naming rights and we part of the whole issue is from our investigations and conversations  don't necessarily generate a lot of dollars really that basically i'm talking to representatives on the committee and elsewhere unless for example i think last just did something with reebok where they actually you know if you have something where you can go out and f p to solicit you know there's a lot of interest that have a naming rights but to say that well we'll name something after your company it's all about the marking the penetration and take away and even though you might see your name on a particular rights for three years with the banks name on it you can there are there are commercial naming rights there's naming rights for people who have donated something to the town there's naming rights for people means something the town so what i think they were looking was a couple of these including wellesley's policy that we might be able to model something after but it has to first of all be something that the selectmen and that the town want to do and then we probably need to look at different policies and come up with a policy that satisfies us and i think in the process of that we probably should be looking at have these policies what have other towns experience because i don't believe that wellesley has ever done it you know if you're not going out and actually selling that naming right to i'm not sure if people are just coming to you so it's one of these things that i think we have to do a little bit more thought and you know we just talked about tonight in our revenue opportunity about what recommendations we might make to the town one of those lines i think it's going to take some more study on the part of the town but also i don't believe we should reinvent the wheel we should look at some of these other towns that have done it successfully or not and that at least have policies and and have thought through all of the issues and then use that as a basis to do our analysis of because it yes there may be opportunities out there but i don't think it's a very complicated it's more complicated than it appears on set and we do need a centralized place to go for that kind of thing and a policy but for example somebody did come to town and offered a grant basically a stipulation the ground may be for the life of the project that there be some naming rights associated with that so for example if somebody said we would like to replace gymnasium floor and we'd like to have a logo and we like to give a grant of x then basically there's a there's a there's a symmetry in terms of the grant ward and acceptance of the grammy award that has some benefit to the grand sense to me to do that so as far as the work to be you could agree or disagree with that but that's what we sort of do any particular thoughts on what we might do about what you're saying i mean the other is if you feel like there is some meaningful my point of view everything is to be done but i think we can't afford to do that and we have to approach a very deliberate way over the next fifteen twenty twenty five years it with the exception of looking at the model itself and giving feedback to the model specifically is there any else that you would like us to do on the i think you look at all of the you know what i think we want to feed that would be a priority right and i would also the consideration recommendations from his body but it's a working group we're task force that reports to the board of selectmen so i think we have the authority to then reach out to other groups in town to ask for their help ok so it sounds like there are at least three components to the report itself there's at least a component that is from the financial model group which is a model where there is a capital project prioritization scheme and project lists and there is a so there are another there's education group working group had a number of reports ok so has the head subcommittee for example seen at this point i'm guessing not any of the draft reports of the the working group o know are there other things that were published in the spring are those actually the current drafts yes they are ok so so in terms of added it sounds like those draft are actually currently available and available on the website is that correct will be presented to the task force its next meeting ok that's ok so just as a practical matter it sounds like ed the ed reports are all published on are all available and maybe if you probably hasn't been fully publish it we i did get a copy from the school because i asked for it but the others are on the website and the school's website from last spring that i believe the compensation and i report was just presented to the school committee last night is how it should financial taskforce yet and i don't know what the timing is i can check with lloyd and see what the timing is for the total before ok do you do you feel like that would be something that you are a narrow group should look at or a broader term you have an opinion as to will be the right kind of i can present we can go i can go through it pretty quickly i think that once we have it yeah i said maybe we could actually you could actually get ratios one requires a little bit more time and effort and so that's why i started with the recreation subcommittee or that stand in terms of its draft form there is a rough draft that needs to be finalized with some additional information that took place at the last sub group meeting so  we have to reconcile so there are there there are these two ways that one can imagine that we might look at that one is that a draft report could be distributed everybody would try to flee and we could just take a look at it on our own another way would be that someone could come and read for example could come and share the overall threat era and a summary of the findings and we could have a discussion here or we could do both of those things you have a preference as to which would be the most  task force so it is that's and it is affected by affected by and frankly the other thing is sort of the last piece is the sixteen projection now that we've basically got our le assessors working on the classification area on monday looking at the first quarter results for fifteen to see how that impacts sixteen in terms of expenditures those are reconcile united's that we're working on the last couple weeks just to make sure we've coordinated that taking a look at where we are for revenues in terms of the current fiscal year to make sure that some of the assumptions made over the summer make sense and sixteen so i think now that we've got those pieces sort of finali we've we've got the reconciliation sixteen pretty much done and then from sixteen to basically for it fans out to seventeen eighteen nineteen to some assumptions so basically one of the things that now we've done is sort of done that check for fifteen to make was sounds like the model really goes sort of capture capture all the work that has been going so well and so i know that the model is in draft form and at some point it will be ready for us to take a look at another handful of folks that have raised their basically you've let us know when when you're ready for us to help and we'll be happy to help in any way we recently can practice ok and yes before we move on right great already kind of look at this over the course of the next few weeks whatever we kind of come up with as the starting point for the municipal side and for the school so i can think about from a budgeting perspective is the starting point is not the ending point for of making any amendments to this obviously you've received this narrative today with the numbers and so on to see what you just said michael stooges a sort of review with the feedback  hopefully get to the point where basically there's consensus on available revenue but at the beginning of the process somewhat to what's happened with the last couple years and i know that there's a lot of information and so maybe what i'll do is i'll just debt exclusion property tax amount of four million to thirty five which is the second column from so this sheet basically the second call which says estimated budget recap f y fifteen ok  so if you go over to the next column where it says twelve one fourteen plenty budget for fiscal sixteen what that reflects is a couple things it reflects seventy four million one third one reflects the two and a half percent increase that is authorized prop two and a half legislation and as part of the f y fifteen process the levy one third one basically reflects the two and a half percent increase on the uk on the operation side of the property taxes plus the ninety thousand dollars carry over a few well in addition to that based upon the memo i have distributed to you which has been provided to the task force of the board of assessors in fiscal sixteen is projecting a new growth number of one hundred seventy five thousand dollars and so that is what we've carried for fiscal sixteen and then the debt exclusion amount of three million seven sixty eight is actually a reflection of the duction or duction of our property tax amount based upon the drop off of the general middle school project so that is why the dead exclusion property tax amount is declining so that that basically gets you to a three point three percent increase in the property taxes for the operations which includes new growth and eleven percent reduction in property taxes to cover the cost of debt exclusions and again the biggest piece of  it was first fiscals fifteen was increased to five fifty so typically five hundred thousand dollars has been really amount that has been provided to us by the board of assessors in some years it's been adjusted some  years it has not you know last year during the process based upon what they had for information they believe they were able to recommend an increase of about fifty thousand dollars during the process of this is the forecast scratch right in terms of the actual that's right ok and if you if you review the information i think that that's in the document so that is where we are for the property tax numbers go up again they various work so for fiscal zero for fiscal six b we're recommending a motor vehicle excise budget amount of two million nine hundred fifty thousand dollars collections is based upon the value of vehicles so all we get the commitment from the additional motor vehicles every spring and those values are based on a on a  you're one you get one hundred percent assessment year two which depreciated year three it's depreciated you pay the tax base on that depreciated value obviously to make sure you can raise as many dollars as you did the previous year obviously you want to make sure that folks in town buy new vehicles to basically offset the depreciation of the value of the vehicles five years in addition to that we typically receive the commitment in february march budgeted in fiscal fifteen for non property taxes such as motor vehicle excise taxes and it compares it to what you collected in the previous year and if obviously there are charges to make sure that you don't but budget revenues that you can't utilize so there's a tender balance here to make sure that you can demonstrate that what you're budgeting has been realized in the prior fiscal year and that they feel comfortable that it will be able to be collected in the current fiscal year for which they're proving the tax rate so for that revenue that is one of the revenues that we have looked at carefully with the treasurer and taking a look at where we have for actual collections over the last two fiscal years it was  it's been recommended that we increase the estimate to two million nine hundred fifty as i said which is one hundred fifty seven thousand increase from the current fiscal year meals tax again looking at current year  collections we received about one hundred ninety six thousand dollars in the meals tax use one hundred ninety five in the budget were recommended to increase that to two all five based upon what we're seeing for current year collections not a ton of money but basically being cognizant of the conversation we had last year to try to find a tender balance between coming up with a revenue estimate that can be sustained year in year out based upon current year knowledge but also trying to get that number is as close to a reasonable doubt that you feel that you can demonstrate that you're close to the actual revenue amounts that you've collected in prior years so we're trying to get that balance of coming close to the actual making sure that we can meet our projections for several months in advance penalties and interest again that's the money we collect from the folks who pay off their outstanding tax title to further property taxes motor vehicle excise taxes again if we've had a good year we're collecting tax files or defer property taxes that's why you see an increase in the penalties and interest but that's not a guarantee so again for a sustainable now we're projecting two hundred thousand dollars in schools two hundred twenty thousand dollars in fiscal sixteen which is an increase of twenty thousand dollars payment in lieu of taxes again that is amount that's known we know who the folks are that give us payment and lose of taxes there doesn't appear to be any other entities that are looking to do that so we kept him out the same a couple other ones are recreation we're projecting a small increase  sixteen of twenty five thousand dollars to seven hundred twenty five again this is one that we're probably going to we will need to really look at as we move closer to budget submission as we determine whether or not the pool may may not open for its regular course of c in operations or it might be slightly delayed but however for fiscal sixteen because again we don't get all the money for the pool fees let's say in the depicts weather dependent on whether we're doing some of the work something odd shows up that could delays you know because of the funding gap and having to do the fundraising we lost some time for those various what you're supposed to be a victim of the jury correct there is an outside chance of the weather is mild as possible i think you're more likely not so generally so if if the season is roughly three months and let's say that least one of the months is probably not going to exist how are we thinking about  memberships and in other words whatever we sold them for in the past are we actually that's it it was only open for one of the three months are we going to sell the memberships for one third of the normal cost or we get it was actually a group that the pool has a committee has put together  ly members of the rec department and some others to try to do the operational piece of this and so while these are all questions that are being debated right now also one of the big things is also expanding the pool season instead of going from whatever it very hot days in september so that's one of the things is expanding the time so even let's say it opened in august it may not close at the same time it used to close and may close later you've also and then the as far as this first year what we're going to do and that's a good question on the one one year i suspect it could be lower some of it is how are we thinking about that and i was at the other thing is you're not going to be having the expense of operating the pool as well this summer so the pool in the past is it's made money and then is it degraded it was losing money if we get more memberships ideas to start making money because we're going to have a new pool with lower operating cost than the old leadership in the fission system so this for i don't know if the if this budget you've got we're not taking into account new for revenue if you're also taking out the poor expenses i think for the moment we're just in theory there should be a balance i guess part of the conversation is we collect our revenues for the summer in fiscal fifteen which is in the current fiscal year portion of our overall pool receipts so therefore if the pool doesn't appear to be able to be open normally the impact on the revenues will be in the current fiscal more than in the new fiscal year because in essence you have a full cycle with a lot of unknowns at the moment and we also budgeted expenses to operate a pool in fifteen that we won't be necessary and that would walk right but we did spend them in july and august of fiscal fifteen recall we deceive the one time revenue from the renegotiation of our trash disposal contract that was used to buy a piece of equipment in the capital budget for snow blower a piece of equipment obviously it was a nine hundred seventy in fiscal sixteen which is one hundred seventy thousand dollars increase again we look at this we've talked a good clancy again we have good activity again we also have been fortunate because we've had some big one time permits that occurred so i guess this is one of the revenues where we frankly need to make sure that what we estimate we can bring in zero and  feel that the nine seventy again will do more analysis but is a number that can be realized in fiscal sixteen looking into the future for says several months about what the fiscal climate will be and what the trade will be in terms of renovations and building permits issues i would say that in addition to that in fiscal fifteen we have estimated that we will receive and against  conservative estimate at the moment one of the to build a building permit big building permits they're out there primarily for the uplands and or for the cushing village if they both come in we will have of banner year for building permit fees because each of them is approximately four hundred fifty thousand dollars give or take but right now will someone out of the two may have two out of the two that would be fantastic but so that's why you see the one million for twenty would be phased based upon each of the buildings being constructed or be one for permits based upon the assumption that the entire project would go forward and not in the face way that basically the entire foundation system and therefore the entire project would go up  and one million for twenty seven under under projected revenues for fifteen you know on the other and the other  sixteen is taking into consideration sixteen once if we receive both building permits that's a fifteen right i'm still through june thirtieth of last year so basically looking at our past history on believes is what he's getting on rates of return on his investments we've increased the earnings on investment by thirty thousand dollars in fiscal sixteen to one hundred fifty thousand dollars so again we've increased our own property tax revenues estimates by three hundred twenty five thousand dollars when i get the free cash sort of explain how that plays into that ok a question four seven five because we had new growth of seventy last year we had building permits of nine fifty which was way in excess of twenty percent increase and new growth really  two to three to four years after the building permits are pulled because you have to construct the building and then sell it for more realize the value on it from an assessing point of view in addition i thought that in fiscal year sixteen we were also years of new growth with or without mclean in the deepest recession we've had in a long time it was always above four hundred seventy five thousand that's why i struggle with that number for fiscal year sixteen it's lower than what they project last year with the budget of last year five fifteen which we pushed them to project and we actually will exceed that significantly just here so and i just trouble with that number for fiscal year sixteen and because it effects the projections effects other things i'm just wondering you know when i looked at what they sent in they sent something that said they leverage off of next year's permits but next year's permits really have nothing to do with what the new growth is in that year because it really is driven off of permits and buildings that were constructed in the prior three four there were not i'm sure there's an algorithm that the magic way of looking at it but can you just address that a little bit i would say that and you  selectmen meeting this came up since it was asked by the board of selectmen and basically the board of assessors is very cognizant of the fact that they if they overestimate their growth and it  doesn't isn't realize that means that when they come before us after the budgets been adopted and say new growth wasn't x it was x minus one hundred thousand dollars that means you don't have one hundred thousand dollars in revenue to spend which means either expen productions after the budgets been adopted or replenishment of those revenues that were realized other sources and so i think that they would say that their five hundred thousand dollar estimate assumes forty million dollars in new gro that that's approximately what the number so basically to generate half a million dollars in new growth that's forty million dollars in increased assessed value so i think i think and again i think there are i mean i'm not the board assessors but i think they would say since we've because they don't know what they really have so they're trying to do a projection several months before they actually have a chance to analyze the data and so therefore you know it sort of pushes them to the side of caution whether or not i guess the question i'll let the i understand the point of overestimating i respect the board sort of assess this point of view on this completely in the very talented knowledgeable individuals but we don't want to be so low that we're just underestimating your growth to the detriment of you know including that so in fiscal fifteen we budgeted unused one million eight hundred eighty thousand dollars in free cash to balance the fiscal fifteen budget that's how you get to the one million aid as you recall last year is when we went through this exercise to increase our not property tax revenues in one for one deduction was made against free cash because again as you have painfully listened to me several times revenues over budget is one of the ways replace free cash flow as you come to budget closer to the actuals the excess between what you budget and what you collect is smaller so therefore you believe to replenish the cash becomes more challenging so for fiscal sixteen what that number reflects is basically one million eighty that we used in fiscal fifteen less the money that was a one time allocation for sidewalks it includes one hundred sixty nine thousand dollars in principal and interest payments for the belmont senator reid structured object it reduces the amount used by the three hundred twenty five thousand that we're increasing the knob property tax estimate by see at three twenty five and basically say all away to basically not reduce the free cash amount drastically but recognizing that we use in more nonprofit tax revenue so basically it's the one  one sixty nine to the amount that we were using in free cash because i understood that was coming from the free cash as an additional to what we were putting into the pledges not as part of this is a question i had when i was we were talking about this that it was not going to come out of operating out of the out of the budget but it was going to be additional money the additional call on free cash so to speak for you know in other words and be added to the free cash is in the budget if i'm making myself what we're putting in here and you said you're going to take out the three twenty five in additional revenues which i would never question on why wouldn't you add the one sixty nine rather than dr one sixty nine because this is the one sixty nine is something we said was going to be financed out of the free cash that we generated as of jan jan july first it was not going to be out of the up coming out of the operations or the but the operating line of the it was going to be an additional and i'm making myself clear  sixty nine for moment you would have reduced your free care by the which he did he has a little sort of year three twenty five so it would be lower than one million six fifty sixty if you did the math and you took you six five zero when i read the memo i thought it said it included the one sixty nine and i wanted to make sure that that that was not being taken out the operating budget that's all ok so i'll do the math i'm sorry i didn't do the math for that the other question was on the three twenty five being taken out because our free cash the the delta the net increase in free cash was fairly large last year i question whether we want to take out the three twenty five does that make sense to you because we didn't have adults in free cash which was a million budget and not reduce it down for a dollar and still generate that the free cash that we put in the budget plus in excess assuming all things are equal i guess i would say that the three twenty five has been discounted by one hundred twenty five ok and again as you recall we had some rule one time events that happened in fiscal fourteen that allowed us to have the addition in our free cash balance that may not be available guidelines on this and it came up to town meeting if your call addressed that power i think that product up i think we need guidelines so that we understand if we all agree to the guidelines whatever they may be less of a policy more guidelines then we can do sort of projections on based on those guidelines in terms of we're we believe in a speculative david's point is fair in terms of the restoration of free cash next year you know to a super house that you may not be restoration and may not be more revenues than you budgeted and we may force spend or a budget it never happens right but it's a budget actually never in any time i've been associated with this equals the budget so i think if we start with the guidelines from where we want to end up after the utilization for cash it wouldn't for much more in terms of what we should put down there for a number running going around not that it's going on circles but i think we talked about the deadline of hopefully january i'm not sure he has a lot of priorities on his plate and so that's where we have to wait for that aspect to be the last of your answer just i mean i just want to  clarify that i mean if if your projection of the non property tax revenues was under the same you know philosophical guidelines or or or estimation principles that you use last year and if the number just happened to go up by three hundred twenty five thousand dollars that i mean just as long as you were equally equally can equally conservative each each time it seems like we've gone even further than we did last year in terms of trying to trying to make the property tax estimates even closer to what the actual sort make them less conservative than i can see taking out two hundred thousand dollars but if it's just but if the reason for the three twenty five is just you know that the you know that the situation is changing in the seems like it should stay at are projecting fiscal fifteen assuming we get one of those built building permits above eight hundred ninety four thousand dollars more revenues but that's a good chunk about an unexpected one time big building permit bills or year to date we've only generated one hundred fifty thousand dollars of tax the drug instead of the several hundred thousand we did last year we're not going to get a few more memory and burst net of four hundred thousand dollars like we did in fiscal fourteen because there were no natural disasters thank god that we got relief we're going to get reimbursed for the fiscal fifteen that occurred in fiscal fourteen so the so i guess what i'm saying to you is is i think we're trying to again all this is a balancing act to basically demonstrate to the state number one that what we're projecting for revenues what we're going to use in fiscal sixteen can be realized actually in fiscal fifteen but also in a situation where the goal is to try and get of and again i think this is as mark said a guideline a free cash number that is sustainable so that basically it can be very predictable but yet the way free cash is the plan is having revenues over what you estimate mally this is the second year overall that we've proved that last year there was an additional three hundred plus that we did we do it another three twenty five week and so i guess my reaction would be is i think this whole process lends itself to be very prudent to what you do and so if in fact we add back another two hundred thousand dollars just there's the question is can that be replenished and i guess this is  starting point as we get more revenue information for the first half or as we move forward we might be able to make some adjustments but again the free cash balance of seven point five has been reduced already by a billion th intentionally and strategically and i'm just saying that i think you're being as prudent in the fiscal year sixteen as you were in fiscal year fifteen and so in my mind that means that you don't have to take it further you don't have to take a further haircut too because because you're already being prudent i mean i would bet you that the actual motor vehicle excise tax when we close the books on on fiscal year six six sixteen i bet they're going to be a lot closer to thirty dangerous lives not sixty sixty that we're going to be probably two hundred thousand dollars quicker than what we're budgeting and i'm fine with that but because because we're trying to be prude january i'm going to say right now that i'm the deadline is the end of january but you have an issue for that so end of january we want out of the set of guidelines so i'll let you work on the timetable with half and with david in terms of data collection i will help out any way that i can but i will just say probably i want this resolved by the end of january so let's work out you know the timetable internally to review but we've been taking you respectfully asked a number of different time for us to do this and we want to get it done right only use it for one time funds that's actually not true we actually do allocate and we have for a decade or more a portion a prudent and thoughtful portion of free cash for operating because we know that we were playing just the point of free cash on annual basis because of shortfalls in terms of cost because people you know don't get it they retire and we don't fill a position immediately and so we it is if you look at for years and years and years it's been the case that we've always replaced free cash to some extent now that doesn't guarantee that we could see can see we have challenges but there is a prudent amount that we can put forward now whether that number is one point six or whether it's two or whether it's one point four i think we'll talk about what the right answer is but it is true that we take a portion of an overall chunk afrique actually put it towards operating and i think your point is if you're conservative every year then you know you can take that whole amount there's no reason to hear about it but we want to resolve that right now i think there's an interesting topics that we put on the table considered recurring so there's a component of that you can say hey maybe it can be used for ongoing operations i understand but well said we don't like to use one time revenues to fund operations keep that in mind but i think we have to approach from this perspective as we do reconciling ation of what we need to subpoena speculate free cash to be over the next year or two three four and compare that to the guidelines and say this is consistent with you mark and i think the first thing that needs to happen is we just need to have our analysis so i can come in explain to people when he is you know what it looks what it has looked like over the last five to ten years and that's where i'm just going to get the data and get that in hand so that i can then bring something to the warrant committee that we can figure out the guidelines with david i think we're all in the same page it's a question of little bit where it goes to and what we call it and what it's used for in terms of they got a stable region or capital but i think looking at the analysis and getting the numbers is the first first step to help part of the budget construction every year has to be a component of that that was an issue of the only free cash but also one of the looking at that informs us in terms of what we can draw down ok so i just want to get publicly actually thinking and and half of the work on this i very much appreciate what you're doing if you could actually please generate internally between  benny's take the prior year amount and increase it by two and a half percent which is about thirty thousand dollars in the fiscal fifteen budget as part of some of the capit balances that we're not going to use to increase the capital budget allocation council budget committee decided to use sixty five thousand dollars of those one time funds for roads and so therefore since it really was for a one time a news capital fund you can't fool case after the fact that oh so we're back to the two hundred percent increase which is about thirty thousand so it's increasing from that normal schedule two and a half percent increase two and a half percent increase two and a half it just taking out that one time allocation of sixty five thousand and the minimum assessment is a little higher than your recent last year the budget was increased because i think five point seven percent of them like that and also even though our role may count for minuteman is roughly the same as last year and looking at our percentage of the total it's actually gone up a little bit on an estimated basis so any time your percentage of the toll goes up your percentage of the total point one percent increase in the villages reparations is is i guess my mental disappointing and i'm looking up above it not in a major impact is clearly under the other available and we've discussed free cash we get overall in one point six greece in order to meet the twenty twenty seven payout b to get rid of the unfunded liability by twenty twenty s basically did the final budget which includes the increase to the school budget of seven hundred thousand dollars so their last year their allocation was slightly slightly below fifty fifty eight percent and then we were slightly above forty two percent so again even with when you deal with these numbers the percentages of roughly the same for the table so why fifteen town meeting allocation fifty eight  one and forty one ninety nine i get that that is the new that is the revised really really that is the allocation for the fifteen budget right that's what i've been understood that is the taking the fifteen dopped the budget and  you go back you know five years we still have a larger conversation about that for the last several years what we've done that is an open government we can talk about as we've taken the voted amounts from the previous year and use that as the implied starting out for this for the next year i'm just i preliminary that david was kind enough to get us in draft form for today all right so i'm sitting down tomorrow with with with the chairs of the school committee and the board of selectmen so we will continue the dialogue as to how we are thinking about this we and we will have further discussion as a group in the coming  of the neighborhood in other words to make me answer nation make mansion as ation of some of these neighborhoods so we listened to the gentleman and told him that he should get together his petition and take it to town meeting we as a planning board feel that knowing what we have in terms of the g r zoning we feel like we could implement a lot of that  into if in fact we're called on to do so so that's where we are right now in terms of the planning christian square moves on i'm not privy to those conversations i have a conflict there so i am not there so unfortunately i can't tell you much that i get home after kids myself from the house and you have questions so as relates to the year my own feeling is i think the planning board as a board feels a hole that it really is happening in the neighborhoods is that the developers are going in and it's not bad to redevelop anything in my opinion  being a developer but i think what needs to be done is you really need to take a hard look at the surrounding is in any neighborhood and not overpower the homes that are there it's ok to be a little bit bigger it's not ok i think to be a lot bigger the time i mean i think one one vehicle that could be used is the fact that when someone does tear down a single family house on a lot there's a non conforming lot which a lot of lots in the town  conforming in the zones there and that could maybe trigger some type of review process itself you know whereas if someone is building on a conforming lot i think they should be free to pretty much do what they want but i think that saying that i think we could we could work to to put some safeguards in place that would prevent the overbuilding so they want to kill so what's your sense of the planning board that plane word prefer for this petition to potentially go forward to have how many potentially vote on it for a moratorium potentially go into place and then the planning board would act on it as opposed it i'm hearing a lot of people around town and this gentleman pretty much confirms last night that in fact there are a lot of people there is momentum behind this moratorium so we feel like why don't we take a town meeting our feeling is where we're very busy with what we are what's going on right now in the g r zone so if we're asked to do that by town meeting certainly will do it but i don't think that provided the logic and the thinking behind it was actually asked if you remember you know multiple times to actually give our logic behind that so we kind of do it both ways sometimes i'll say just the voting sometimes i'll give the logic and i seems to me that we describing our role as one of providing basically advice county and when the warrant committee is asked for a report on the report it's simply a vote of whatever the numbers are unanimous or fourteen thirteen to one or whatever that's the result that is communicating some information but it doesn't reflect any of the deliberation that we conduct here which is actually generally pretty extensive so it seems to me that the reasonable approach would be for the war committee to be prepared to explain its reasoning on a one issue particularly issue it seems in our scheme of things to be a big major issue but not necessarily offer unless  but one way to facilitate that would be the first town meeting has its own kind of dynamic after we present the vote maybe we could have a standard question where the moderator could say as the war committee prepared to explain the reasons for its vote and then we could just say yes and or explain the reason for its vote it passed we could say yes and then wait for somebody on the floor to make that request but we should be prepared to explain our primary commenters on some particular issue it was but i think in many cases there isn't necessarily a need for us to actually explain our many details so i can let me open the floor for what people think about this to others yeah i think if the vote is not unanimous a particularly if it's like twelve to three or something like that i think that maybe deserves some sort of explanation of what the different points of view were on th some around the minutes and it was a controversial important vote if you try to make sure that the spirit of the discussion was was was captured there that sort of gives you gives you something something to to work  o my immediate reaction to that is that i'm not sure the minutes are actually the best place to kind of detail the spirit of the run i'd be happy did did mike for me or for somebody generate a summary to send that summary around an email and have people you know talk about that so they're on the same page about the summary i don't really want to either put out lisa or for that matter have the minutes be a by design a very detailed description of what we do any difference would be a reflection of these of these meetings but are certain items so for example the left i mean with all of the plot and what it's like was always afforded an opportunity by the moderator in fact sometimes prompted by the speech on issues and we go up and i don't vote then i think it makes sense for us to express our here and then i think on top of that there may be instances where we may be enemies or close unanimous where we as a group may feel like it would be useful for us to share a view so i think i think what i would do is i'll leave  just as an open issue and less others want to share it for dr to further that as particular issues come before us and we talk about them is going to be built on them that i would release it raised to anyone to say hey this is what i think we really should kind of share our perspective in which case then we'll make sure we collect that and if and and then i'll provide yeah yeah the only thing and the other thing i would add is that to the extent we've done some analysis because sometimes different people have done now it's this or it's been helpful because it shows people that we are looking at the financial impact implications of this particular project or whatever differently than what are met me that maybe not differently but that we've taken the information that's been provided and we've done further discussion time meeting floor around the merits of something that are not fundamentally around the financial aspects of it and you may feel at some point it's appropriate to want to clarify the work committee voted simply along those you know we voted about this particular issue within the circle you know ours is not necessarily a statement about something a lot wider we're talking just about the financial implications from to us from he was to the executive director of city services from the city of everett so he has extensive experience he has a bachelors of science and a masters a public administration degree from norwich university i can go on and on really within all the schools where it's only purchasing essential materials for classrooms as needed and that we are trying to use existing staff to fill in of nine teaching staff when we are able to do that that can include secretaries professionally it's the study and  whatever there is no overtime without being authorized either by the director of finance or the superintendent and we have curtailed some professional development happens a lot in the schools with a lot of them are certified teachers who may be actively looking for employment and they may come upon a maternity or paternity leave situation so that does happen a lot more than you'd imagine and we're really focused on curtailing any legal expenses being in the negotiation near it's certainly less of an expense but it's not a nominal expense so those those are the things that are going on we continue to receive new students and we continue these we will not be on the twenty fourth we will not meet on the thirty first so the only meeting that remains a for two thousand and fourteen calendar year is december seventeenth i mention that i'll try to get bob riordan to come and join us  you know we've traditionally had a kind of a light agenda for our last meeting with a little bit of fun which as i mentioned before liz allison was particularly powerful in organizing and she's not with us right now so i think if we could talk a little bit off after we've  yes i add one more item i forgot we're going to be moving our school committee meetings to seven pm and i'm just going to take any opportunity that we're on t v to say so instead of seven thirty we're going to