responsibility for this child support you can't he apparently you're not you can't be held to a standard of personal responsibility when you're out of here and this child this is the evidence to suggest that this somehow benefited the mine shaft lastly i think are most critical that i think raises the most flags is shelter care hearing right that's a good management you just referred to yes didn't the court also specifically tell your client that down he was also required to cooperate with the c f s to correct the conditions which require the child to be in care or you will risk terminations your parental rights in the court also say that at that same hearing yes but with that having i think so mr g at this point i'm sure that if you're not in custody well let's let's look at the quote entirely the court said you were required period then you are also required so didn't the court really delineate the different responsibilities between the respondent who was in custody and the one who was not with respect to the background the court and even admonish the parties that if you fail to create the conditions which require the child to be in care by completing the service plan and cooperated with aftercare plans that you will risk losing your parental rights and then in february of two thousand and fourteen at a prominent c hearing the court gave the same admonishment so if we assume that you're right about the shelter care which i think is a weak argument was a cured by those additional managements on those following date thank you counsel you'll have time against manifest with the evidence this court could affirm the unfitness finding on the basis of that grounds alone but in addition there were two other grounds the interests maintain a reasonable degree of interest concern responsibility the responde responded father was in prison and there was very limited attempts and the testimony was pretty detailed on point and eventually he came to the position that he did have an address to use despite having pens and paper prison however he also was admitted that he knew that he had the address for his sister and that his sister had contacted head was able to have contact with the minor and the swells he knew the address and was in some contact with this case worker and he could have asked the caseworker about how the minor was doing but there was very little contact in the way of maintaining a reasonable degree and the so the trial court's ruling on that was not against the manifest we evidence not when it's very clear with respect is not possible to do that inside prison so he has to show that he has rebuilt himself place living successfully outside prison that's not something he's been able to do at the time of the term nation hearing because he's only been paroled recently benefit to continuing visitation however the trial court has to engage in a balancing of factors and that's why the best interest factors don't one thing like the benefit of visitation just not control over the many strong factors that  particularly stability of permanency there's the minor to service the fact a foster parent has two older brothers without whom the minor would be lost according to the evidence and oss so they all came to the household in may two thousand thirteen there's been very limited contact with responded father and their stand he had more contact forgotten prison in two thousand and thirteen but this is a young child and that is very limited contact in that time since may two thousand  thirteen physical safety is an important thing to transport relied on this was a domestic violence situation beforehand the minor safe in the in the foster parents home and the attachment now more recent attachment to the caregivers and so because of the good care in the foster home