ok please come up and introduce yourself to the camera grazing she observed the dog i got my gun and went down to the bridge and the sheep were gathered in one corner of the dollar you know fairly close he didn't seem to be attacking the in this morning when i looked out there were four dogs a german shepherd looking dog and three huskies i hate to think what would have happened if i had left the gather dogs and she walked them home she did not seem to have good control of her and it's just she did not seem to be so so i'm concerned about the risk to my talking with jennifer ok and maybe write a letter to your school something i'll start the process right thank you thank you dave and please let let us know writers let ok right on time for the energy commission question for you but a question that we really need to look into that is there and finally needed is missing income tax that we would have to pay me on the lease payments that we rent we actually don't own that so we just least that way and to another person similar to other projects and because there are more than a certain number there is some fear they have to pay i don't figure the number is if it's one hundred it may be fifty kill if i think if you if you generate more than fifty kilowatts you have to pay something so there is some small fee i believe that they have so it with we ended up owning this estate we probably have to pay some sm one document was explaining where the appliances the whole and cost of what that i was receiving and there was another document explain the history of how we got to where we are today so you can have the history of where we are today is a one page document th two pages gotcha i don't think you care enough so i thought i would just what we wanted to do was to get down in terms of numbers what we see as a reasonable estimate of the financial benefits of the town us a good question about taxes we as a matter of fact used we think fairly conservative numbers in th because we didn't have from sam carlson a definitive statement of how much the taxes would be on the right going back to when we were talking about the taxes they likely that it's done based on what's called a discounted cash flow we don't have enough figures to run we don't have enough numbers to run that she was ready to run it for us so all i'm saying is that the numbers on this financial benefits of the town  the tax number is probably low as is the perspective annual savings on electricity which we have been told and you may have received e mails on this on that that was more like three hundred and twenty five e if the lease figures that are currently on the table for the agreement are the ones that are agreed upon and i think i'll let steve talk a little bit about what we see as possible expenses were we to have to salvage it after twenty years because he did all again we are probably conservative anyway while you are talking to us steve i read sam's email that really i just did all that much but it almost seemed to me that he made the case for a security deposit because his bottom line was the salvage value which i think steve you have a higher self value but his salvage value is four thousand seven hundred and eighty dollars and the estimate the eleven thousand five hundred dollars so that's a difference of like seventy six thousand seven hundred dollars and you know my concern is if we've got an entity that has no assets and wants to walk away from this why would they spend six thousand seven hundred dollars to retrieve four thousand seven hundred and eighty five dollars percent spent spent eleven thousand five hundred to realize four thousand and seven there is no security deposit there's no money setting aside set aside you run that system for one year and you're going to make at least twenty one thousand dollars in today's money and probably more like thirty dollars plus one thousand dollars so you work for one year and you've got the money to cover you know whatever it cost of the slows it i also think you know we don't know we can't predict twenty years in the future the value you're going to be higher in the value of of that aluminum frames on the models is higher even though they're not as powerful as they are now i mean we use the numbers that we used you know we're very conservative i mean probably it's going to be more like ninety percent of the production at the end of twenty years we use eighty percent just to make it really you know  e call that number one but if if it's not covered you still have half of the modules that are producing half of the power which is worth a lot of money a lot more than it cost to decommission so if i were to you know i would i'd gladly take that system at the end of you know of twenty years because you've got an incredible asset and then i'd worry about the disposal cost and build it into you know that that that that revenue that's coming in so it's a twenty year mean we all know the muscles have been in space you know they've been up there three thousand and thirty five years and they're still functioning now they're probably certainly a higher quality than what you get when by you know hundreds of them but it gives you an idea i mean the technology is proven in the e it's not like at the end of twenty years of things going to go that you may lose a module or two out of hundreds but you're not going to lose all of them did a quick analysis of you know the value of steel based on  some cases so it sounds costs are higher than a one thousand what are the i don't know just for the structural materials and then if you if you get to the point where you know you just say we just down in seven thousand five hundred dollars or eleven thousand dollars of disposal costs and neglect to notice that we've got a handset that's going to is thirty thousand dollars or more dollars a year in terms of electricity that is still going to be useful even though the modules are all less productive the electricity is still still existing it's the same electricity we have probably the same electricity we have that and it's still going to use for all the bad things that we do electricity so it still has me an investment where i got eighty thousand dollars over twenty years and said well at the end of twenty years you might have to pay say ten thousand dollars but i take it when i don't test virtually nothing you bet  and that's where the town can be as smart as we like we could set aside you know out of our four thousand dollars payments we could set aside by thirty year you know for fifteen years we could sell from the disposal if we need to because i agree with you that you know we can't let the taxpayers and the feeding at the very last i mean that's a perfectly valid point but there's so many different ways that we can address that you know one simple way to end so next year's power to set aside some money out of those payments and  so how can we creatively address your concerns or concern of you know salvage and disposal costs and yet still we reap the benefit of eighty dollars grand plus the potential that are needed more and i agree with  bob that the taxpayers shouldn't have a surprise after twenty years hey the town's got to pay them and i was a bookseller if you took just the lease payments not the tax amount or the amount we say about electricity from the st two years flushed them in the face cd which is secured segregated and designated for future use muslim compound at the current cd rate about two and a half percent you'd have over ten thousand dollars disappear you know they're set aside for that particular purpose so when i rent a house i don't put money into a security deposit or into a up and i don't know when i would like and i am going to call the public service board and i will find out what the average of three at random projects are for a decommissioning quantity how much those are and i would then dare say that we would take a rd of that and say this is what we're looking at i'm not concerned about the steel and i'm not concerned about the aluminum or the copper what i'm concerned about is the heavy metals in those panels and that they have a problem in japan they have a problem in this country but we don't have a problem over in europe on how we're going to get rid of the waste of all these solar panels for office country over in japan so the end of twenty or thirty years when my next generation my son are living here how are they going to are they going to have enough money to  with the solar panels and i don't know the answer to that but i'm not inclined to want to set aside money from the revenue of the public trust in the public school and for green lantern or anyone else's project that they want to use to security process well when it's under five hundred k w they don't but and then there's a but that doesn't that does not mean that one shouldn't you know be mindful of that and be looking at that just because the state of vermont as a whole or paper doesn't do that that doesn't mean that that's the time of underhill or a private individual would want to have that money set aside for that we agree and that's why we argue that let's go look at a creative and see how we can accomplish your goal which is to you know gets us some revenue a grant that we get we wouldn't get the system didn't exist we wouldn't get that so we were going to eight thousand dollars for a town that we wouldn't get otherwise and the web's also notice that at the end of this late quote unquote end of this twenty year twenty two years give at least twenty publics thirty two years if you're sixty so just run the system for a couple more years until you can more than cover your needs and i and i get it but i think that where we're act is that we're going to be having to discuss strategy and contract negotiations with another party and i don't know if it on with the green lantern group because that's what we're basically going to say we're coming to a narrower focus o how we're going to accomplish this and i don't know if it's necessarily appropriate to be discussing contract negotiations and strategy in open forum that that may be something that we may want to discuss in closed session of how we are going to proceed forward and if that is the case and i would advocate for that that we would invite people to your list more or less the subject matter experts being on our energy committee that we would be asking you for court you know if we were to move in that direction but that's just my opinion i'm going to speak for the cuban folks on the board here but that's kind of like what is is that i think that i appreciate what you're doing you're running the figures and stuff like that but my concern still remains as far as at the end of the thirty you know we have to come up with some type of decommissioning find and how do we creatively get that if if in fact really internet same there is no way in god's green earth that we're doing this and that is an absolute  twenty years you say here's your choices you do this fund of twenty thousand dollars ten thousand dollars whatever you decide is a reasonable amount of money you know for decommissioning or you take it away you have incredible levers at that point i mean they've already invested all this money they're making money year after year after year i think i agree but i think the leverage is now i think the leverage is greater then because they've got it they've got their hundreds of thousands of dollars on the ground but they want to put it in the ground now this is the greatest time i think is now to you know make if you're going to make the deal this is when you make the deal is on the front end even if you did you sense what  stopper for them i'm i'm negotiate many contracts and i've heard many times that you know but i also realize that there's many times that deals are struck on the courthouse steps and you know outside meeting rooms and everything like that so i heard him but i'm not necessarily saying that you know but you know why would you not want to get eighty thousand dollars for the town i'm not saying i don't want to get eighty thousand dollars from town but what i what i'm the one where the deal goes away we have plenty of time  own decommissioning fund aside from money that we're realizing in the present that we would not have otherwise get that taken care of need to surprise us in that way we can say we've got it if we don't have to money on that i like which is sad about that too p u n a anything well i'll just say i appreciate what bob saying i look at it slightly differently because my background is in finance and business when you look at a deal you look at the numbers and you look at probabilities of things happening when i look at this and i haven't give you the numbers based on estimating probability of us facing the decommissioning charge it looks better and better and i can't imagine walking away on principle can't imagine us walking away which i think i agree with steve we would be killing and we should be talking about strategy in this meeting that's an executive session down but i when i look at that op i see it extremely low risk involved here of the town not coming out substantially ahead even in the worst case where they have to  decommission this thing in twenty years or twenty five years so that's the way i come at it and i'm not i druther not have a say about whether it's a deal breaker or not that's something that has to be discussed by you  say but i think there's a proposal here of a means to eliminate the surprise twenty years them by doing the setting up the decommissioning that fund ourselves ok we might ultimately take less money and then we would if they paid for it but it's still a good deal because essentially we have almost nothing involved and we have almost no investment here as a way of looking at it we have some that the one thing i would really like to encourage us to do is figure out how to move forward because we've been kind of this for quite a while and you know it's a real positive you know thing that we can do for the town you know forget about the money it's just you know from  standpoint it makes sense you know it lets us be a role model for other towns and role models for people in our town you know i think it's something that we've got to we've got to make happen there are there are some other deadlines i would mention that sam knows about better than we but there's a point at which the state is mandating lower and lower reward for that metered electricity per kilowatt hour and if you slip it to another year that may do people today you know a little while ago got five point three senator i think people today are getting four two cents you know so it's definitely a trance going on directional thank you ok or came made a request and he and i committed to asking some questions inside your package there was a letter that i wrote to john with some answers to those questions to include yes towns could take those over they could take over the road portion or they could just continue taking take over nothing just going with the status quo taking over all seems like more work and effort and expertise and we have those a tip typically done by the towns that are referred to them as four towns that they've already set up a utility for dealing with storm water the impervious area on the individual private lots of this guy expanded his driveway this guy took down a shed this guy that in addition this guy filled wooden's pool what if we didn't take over  footage roughly half of the half mile road so the roads and x number of the person impervious surface within that subdivision the differences the individual drivers individual houses and other and the cars once every five years and every year every five years comes up due to be recharged  ok but so you guys are being responsible in taking care of that on your own and policing that on yourselves although you don't have like a formal association but i guess i'm still concerned like if you have five people on a road and five years from now world d will retain an engineer if they see something out of the town right away they'll deal with that the only benefit there in the sense they're getting is their feet dangle feet are coming if we take on something just if we take on all will still have those to have the maintenance requirements was still in the right for the road there are still the stormwater requirements each each row does have a section that is hydraulically connected which is the thing they're keeping track of the general permit so we're it will still be well we're in and we're we're going to be in after talking to when it seems like the property interests in a sense that we are our feel will be related to the and putting it to increasing it by having to turn around that his driveway bob reducing it by removing the shed the area that would be but we're in many ways the area that example the storm on or the ditches wrong in the right of way until it gets to towards the bottom and there's a part that goes across private property outside right away their issue to deal with it is unless it is not completely dissimilar to private road of flats for roads you say you know we should have known that these were the conditions of the mine that people living on that road  any more discussion or questions application they would appreciate any comments  very thorough job was a thorough job but i mean just like they for example they said in one of their responses a four point nine news lack of affordable housing options limits the growth potential and you know talk about the cost burden of paying more than thirty percent of your income for mental health that it impacts the economy and that's kind of what it comes but i mean how does that and certainly there can be work sessions in between prior to the the th or november but that's roughly the calendar that's worked before that's the rd or thursday person or next year and i guess i in the past you know we had a meeting with just about all the staff sitting around for two or three hours and i of their departments and there may be things that they may needing you wanted to advocate for i may have questions it i would like to have specific answers for when making a decision on the budget so i would like to have all the department heads here for this process so i'm i'm not saying i don't want their input i'm saying we'll meet with them but what in the past we have had everybody sitting here for the entire meeting no i mean i mean we have we have like before the pecial in the sense that it's not yeah i'm curious because we did say that executive session when we were talking about different things that we wanted to invite nate to come and i'm wondering you know is there a written schedule i haven't seen this one here but there is no i think it's you know if the weather cooperates you could decide hey it doesn't nothing needs to do you know schedule have gotten some form calls but then you know a few days later i mean i haven't even had a chance to say anything to anybody about that they say oh thank is a schedule it's on task it's on target and you know if i would want to know knowledgeable you know that may help you there certainly are some situations where you know the rd week of june you know this end of town it's going to be done here you know weather dependent you know type of things you people have an idea because i get the sneaking suspicion that oftentimes people will be making complaints we'll call here they'll call up the garage to leave you know message and then they'll undoubtedly call but one of the three of us obviously they're calling you because sometimes spend hours in there and then you know by the time it gets the message you know he's dealing with it and you know where you know one time we contact you know whoever and say you know we're on it we'll find out blah blah blah you know it's being dealt with so i don't know for i think we're being kind of not supposed to show that everyone was speeding all the time the information in the graphs was the speakers so yes everyone in the graph was ok so it's good to see the people who are under showing that we have a speeding problem yes but it's not as bad as twenty percent or are you something that some cases we have a speed limit problem yes we  no i think that you know the problem in terms of the speeding is when there are indicators present where you should sort out i mean i caught fifteen miles an hour when i see kids and dogs you know but you know on some roads for the speed limit it's restrictive i might go over that spe you better believe that you know when i see things or bikers but i'm never you know you see that you can see that pretty far away did not change well it well it didn't change from mountain road to harvey because that had that had been reduced to thirty and it only became forty five past when actually reduced to thirty but it was if done correctly so that's where they've got same thing on poker hill road that twenty five it's not done correctly but for a while people were getting pulled over challenging their ticket and they were road to harvey at some point after the the big dig project signs at thirty miles an hour we're wrecked right perhaps and he right i lost saying the speed limit was thirty so that it 's been forty five for years as a result of that we did the speed study and came back at forty five was the th percentile speed and safe for i had a two day thing that starts with their annual business meeting from one to four that it's a bitch they often they usually get a forum and sometimes it is it's can be heavy on the southern having if there's someone from the road her own study crew that would like to go if there is something that we have forseen to replace that they may be able to get some knowledge on some up and down up and coming equipment that they may receive some the morning there was a contractor up there moving the asphalt to their facility to grind it up so that we could use it and show them in on the shoulders we have that as has not been corrected yet to get into all that and rules or regulations and whatnot of the pit it doesn't have that much detail basically it says what it is and operating hours you may recall there mentioned you know you've got a high so you have a pile of asphalt there you can reuse that and that's it it was there temporarily until it was time to till it was time to use it wasn't meant to be  that that sign has been or i haven't talked about it i don't know it's been purchased i don't know if it's been mounted on the gate yet it does strike me as a fairly easy thing to once it came in to do we want to have an executive session i have no issues that i need in executive session or perhaps at the next one we can have an executive