maximum benefit some of these retirees are getting in there are three by the way are five hundred dollars a month six hundred twelve dollars a month and six hundred thirty two dollars a month  on the other side of the ledger the teacher's retirement they get a thousand dollars a month so within the town of belmar we have a difference we're going to town site and by the way when i the question always comes up could there be more currently there are roughly fourteen individuals that could potentially could potentially  and the match we've got right now is fourteen so you know if you're a gambler and say listen seven guys are going to cash in the seven women so you're looking at a total of seventy seven actual increase of that additional thirty dollars moving it from twelve thousand to thirteen thousand will look at that nine thousand nine hundred sixty dollars so it's relatively small money calculation last year the proposal was to move the coal budget to the coal base to fourteen thousand dollars not thirteen thousand dollars so the the actuary last year calculated increment to the un funded liability of one point seven million going to fourteen so i assume that going to thirteen would cut that in half because the starting point is twelve thousand  so it seems like the impact on the un funded liability for the color component here would be roughly eight hundred fifty thousand dollars right just so calls for this to be fully funded play twenty four so we're we're in a much faster scale than the majority of the states i would say the belmore probably in the  that there may be a difference in perspective about whether it's worthwhile comparing belmont to other communities actually i think there's some value regarding the section one  are still of the original value of six thousand dollars and thirty two have gone to twelve thousand dollars and the remainder are at nine thousand dollars because this benefit is revisited periodically by the legislature which creates an option to increase the amount and it was changed to the six thousand dollars sorry the nine thousand dollar option was introduced i think in two thousand and eight or two thousand and ten that the off thousand dollar option came along two years later twelve so the belmont clearly isn't you could say the bottom third of states but it is but bottom third of towns but not that itself  not seem terribly and reasonable and i have to say the thought that crossed my mind especially in light of this question a town meeting last year was i personally would be more supportive of this change when the town next approves an operating override because i think at this point approving both of these articles is you may say it's small but i think it's a measurable and not trivial impact and in the absence of an way i think that you know i think there are two dimensions of fairness to think about one is how does this how does the townsite employee treatment compared to the schools that employee treatment and the second is are we setting  town side with the school side unlike last year's proposal which was a higher number and if you look at the data that was provided in terms of the other communities for the base there clearly are a number of communities there are twelve thousand but there are quite a few that are at thirteen believes that it's better to happen discussion and actually have some time to think about it next week so i guess you could you should do anything you want but i mean i think this is not a super complicated topic under stand but where we're going to be voting all the articles next week there's so are they did vote for what it's worth the communities that are at twelve thousand dollars on the base are there right now including concord concord and winchester so you know the proposal itself is not a reasonable but staying where we are is not on the reasonable either the question is basically where do you want to spend the two increases add up to roughly twenty five thousand dollars right to are trying to do the right thing and it will cost them more but if we can mitigate that cost over town it's clearly that this benefit is different from the arrangement the contract that has i imagine a range of benefits in it that are not available on employees but whether that is a sufficient reason for changing what we have now it's not clear to me well i'd say there's a significant one it's within the contract at the time please go on and that has to do with health heart so the teachers health insurance the way the townsite is structured and i can remember the date but if you're hired after i think it's two thousand and sixteen if you're hired after two thousand and sixteen the split is seventy five twenty five town pay seventy five percent you do employer pays twenty five and you get a lemon percent increase you're getting a big hit versus the people that before two thousand sixteen are eighty percent twenty percent the school make it fair for the schools and the  so i think we could like split a lot of hair is on differences between work conditions and benefits between teachers and talent these are fundamentally different jobs so i'm not i'm not sure in my mind i'm not sure how productive that is but this chart i think is pretty interesting it sounds like a lot of communities were left off by so much choice but there's still a lot of media there are out this level for a from sort of a fairness point of view relative to other top employees i find it pretty compelling to raise it myself i will say that i i wish that this had been put into the budget draft in the understanding it was kind of a weird year during transition and right it was coming in late so it's like probably an indirect but i wish that that is had been put in the budget draft of it and if this was turned down that would have been you know recovered today so it was one of our strong recommendations and i'm using this as an avenue to bring up a related but ancillary point that that get changed immediately and i would say effective as of july is not already  we hired an architect turned out to be extremely creative and i will freely admit that i was one of those people going into this with secretly hoping that we would not find a solution to the police or market elevator turns and the end result is a very collaborative effort but let me give you the bottom line is to address both the d p w and the police department we're going to ask how many of the seven point four what you get for that is something considerably beyond what we were describing to town meeting last november this is a functional equivalent of a new police state this is not some temporary all of the working conditions that we talked about in the dumper but the ultimate need for a new facility for other reasons still remains but this takes us a very long way down down the road this is i'm going to show you this is a some supplies i prepared for the war briefing on monday to give you an idea of what the police station will look like peculiar because of mike smith's presence on the committee there was a very strong focus on adapting this building in a way that did it's virtually invisible from the street that will be additional office space and functional space all right alligator and hole that are all back there below the roof lin so the bottom line of all this is a police station which is expanded from roughly thirteen thousand square feet where it is now up something over twenty four thousand square feet and for a town the size of belmont for a police force the size of belmont twenty four thousand where he is the size of a police station really  doubt that's the best of this turns out to be once you include everything that's needed the elevator the holding cells the locker rooms there's there's men's and women's locker rooms toilets interview rooms and one thing that ends up being extremely space intensive is storage the police have to store an enormous amount of evidence and records repeat those requirements are only increasing and a good part of this building is actually used for that purpose but i would say all of that  which will be additional office space  and then the inside of the building there are some reconfigurations to get a better break space and there's a kind of a processing area to handle contractors as they come in and this is a cutaway view that shows what's going on there this had a study being at that point major capital projects working group roy me a couple of other people and s m a at the time estimated that what needed to be done at the department of public works would cost about one point six million and that the temporary fixes on the police station will be two point eight million and so we were estimating a project of four point four million we got design money based on that what we're presenting to you now isn't d p w fairly substantial fix although it's still designed for ten years at the end of that ten years we still leave a new permanent facility there but for ten years from well under the one point six the range we have right now is one point two one point four all of our estimates and money are based on the highest possible dollar figure so even though the architect has given us a dollar range we're working with the top figure on that even the top figure one point four is less than the estimates and that's the good news with the police station as m m a and prior studies and he indicated that a renovated or even a brand new police station on that site is going to be anywhere from twenty to thirty million dollars we are as we're in said producing a police station with the square footage the amenities and all the function that is needed going forward indefinitely for our top figure seven point five million the range is six point two to seven point scuse me seven point five so  infix for top top figure seven point five so therefore the total project cost is in the range of seven point four to eight point nine so we look at that eight point nine floyd tells us the maximum amount that the town can bond and pay for is a seven point four it's a fine paula a million out of that out of the eight point  nine million dollars is in essence design funds furnishings fixtures and equipment design money has always come out of the canvas so the remainder of the design money that we can come out of the candle department furnishings fixtures and equipment can come out of the capital budget discretionary money do i love saying that no but because of how this is going to work out the d p w will be done quickly and first and that can be furnished and then in terms of budget cycles idea or two later the police department will be finished and french so it does divide up the draw on the capital budgets and i think it can be managed that leaves us with a little extra if we're looking at the top rate which we've got a variety of thoughts on that including capital turn paths and not eliminating the possibility of donations i think when people see this i hope they'll be excited and i hope just as generous people in the town give to playground projects and the rest of it will take anything for us because everything we can do reduces the this so i have to say we are very excited about it we love the architect he's done an amazing job our o p m his time gets illness which thrilled to have him back because he knows the site the knows where the bodies are buried he knows all the people that we're working with so he's been wonderful to work with and i think adds a measure of credibility to this project that we might not ordinarily have his firm has quickly review these dollar figures and really found them to be perfectly fine so we're confident in the dollars that we're putting out and the numbers are finally police and d p w themselves they were working very very closely with us they're finally starting to get excited that with the rest of the construction so yes also i have to say that some of the the stuff that was identified that had been addressed capital budget had in fact allocated money for those things and try in years and it's finally going to get done station are you planning to do any renovations of existing space or is this is the money all going into a new space in other words is there anything that's going to be renovated or new furniture or anything for any of the other parts and have a sickly station feel exists because so much is being moved around a lot of it is going to be worked on but not everything for example dispatches are going to be touched that front foyer entry is not going to be touched however we do intend to police feel about it i have to say chief mclaughlin and assistant chief make isaac have been with us always have been and every morning they take back to their people every iteration of the design  and solicit comments from everyone no matter where i go in town i talk to police officers what do you think they are very decided they come back to us with some good suggestions that we will cooperate in to the design as has my on the deep they've come back with very good suggestions so right now everybody is pretty happy the also the upside of the police is they do not lose their work out here in the lowest level that was donated all that equipment in space that stays in place and the world famous firing range these days and then the third question i have this what is the debt service projected to be and how you seem confident come out of the operating budget but i know we've talked a fifteen we had over a five hundred thousand dollars part of that override for major capital projects well that stuff starts rolling off in twenty twenty two twenty four twenty five so by the time going twenty search  care what i hear is that it's really not coming out of the operating budget the next couple of years are going to find other sources of one time funds or funds that have been available in other places right there so it's not going to be taken out projecting to be conservative three and a half percent he ended up coming in with a ten year note for two and a half percent you know htat to say i believe it or not when you get into that federer much a pro to some unknown reason your interest rates the amount of praying the dollar seems to be a lot more beneficial for some communities if you go out to do this stuff in the october november timeframe for some unknown reason the rates always seem to be a little bit higher don't ask me why but  in pieces but i think it would be helpful to because i'm still struggling i think that the plan of the police station is great i do before we say we're effectively getting a new building it would be helpful to let people know what we're really doing for renovation you know i mean you mention h b a c b you know but are we doing h b c that really is going to have a forty year life are we redoing the electric car are there imbedded you know projects that really only are going to be ten years down the road that we would have if it's a new building still think this is a cost effective solution i think it's a solution that leaves the police station in a prominent point of town but i think it would be helpful to know how two thirds of the square footage is being addressed as part of that plan because because once you touch that building to the extent that we are going design but what you're getting is essentially new plumbing because the showers the toilets saints are all going to be new fixtures break her system the restrooms elsewhere in the building are going to have new fixtures going to be substantially replaced how much of the building itself be required i don't know certainly the new the new construction will all be new wiring the animal coming in will be new how much rewiring will be necessary in the this without a solution i do think we should think about this just to come in the suggestion take it for what it's worth of being careful about not borrowing the ten year d p w project the thirty year debt because that hangover will ultimately look bad when people are saying what we're paying for twenty years on the project that you know taken years ago we scrape to the ground awfully and treats and i will say that our our marching orders substantially were don't get in the way of the high school and pretty much don't mess with the library and so what we're trying to do is to address the million six i don't know what big difference in debt service between a thirty year schedule or ten your schedule or fifteen year schedule is but i just i don't know what the savings are by trying to do it all for over thirty years i do think there's an element of optics so there's not a fear that we'll have like something that well on the books for ten years and we're financing at thirty we're actually not allowed to that under tax exempt i say with a little bit will be you'll have a life number that will match up with pm and so they can get to work the next day moving forward we still have to so i might have laughed from that november appropriation so we have money to excuse me to pay them going forward for quite a bit they will move forward on both projects they will do design development and then construction documents we suspect that they didn't he tell you will move forward quickly and could be completed as early as fall two thousand and nineteen and that the police station will take a little longer because it will have to be phased because they will try to do it with out dislocating more relocating the police functions and so that will go into two thousand and one to add to that point as well  these numbers it seems like you're very confident so i tend to global question which is i think it's great project so happy that our numbers are so last what's driving the differential between you know twenty to thirty million versus six point five what was really excessive frankly but the but even twenty million dollars versus seven i think we're essentially saving thirteen million dollars by doing it this way come up with the cost side of this and that was all that if by i'm gets in this and this team of journalists and independently of the two teams came up with figures that were within a couple of thousand dollars each other so we're very well we're doing we're calculating that clearly as we speak but i think we baked into the cake that rory factor in three hundred sixty thousand but i'm pretty sure there's more than that plus there's eighteen to consider which runs through i haven't factored point in time i'm going to say over the last twenty four years twenty twenty four twenty five years that the five hundred thousand more cover the four hundred forty thousand dollars look at that's assuming we are there are other to the money has been improved on i'm just trying to understand this four hundred fifty thousand dollars in debt service over the next five years and we're talking about needing and possibly an override within you know that period also and and also how to operate it but it might help maybe it's maybe two things if you have i'm assuming you have a spreadsheet that shows all the debt service over time for every single issue of that so it might be helpful to share that with people because then you can see how things are falling off and you can see where we're filling in the gaps that i want to share and then the other thing that might be helpful is if you give a little a little sources and uses for justice projects so some of your sources are are like these affects the capital budget because now we're stuck with the concert repairs on these two facilities and that will overwhelm us well and further repairs in these buildings is diminishing value jenny you know to be fair about this is a trade off i mean i fully support and i think we need to do this we absolutely need to do it but are there things that are coming wrong in the discretionary capital budget which are going to be very chilling to fund if we don't have funding capacity yes yes they're  other question too is like for the fire station we just have this one point two million dollars to refer to for repairs of arson and we convinced that they're not going to be more repairs there for some of these things come up we have a million dollars for the high school arm  anticipated that and that ended up using up a lot of our debt capacity for that for the for the from the over right and then we have this million to that's not going to it doesn't have any source of funds that you know so i'm just saying that these things come up i'm not i'm not criticizing the project i'm just trying to understand how it all but picture but i think what we're trying to say is that if you don't do it this will create so much crisis that will make everything else and i would add that  are there other surprises out there because i don't think anything's been fixed second pick up that yet we don't even need surprises we've got stuff on the list from various departments i guess now we have the pm other other kind of lessons learned about how the contractors read vetting the contractor i don't know what the right lessons learned is that not instruction person but i'm just there are other ways we can you know downside of that but yes the o p m and for us we feel so strongly about having tom gets this is our o p m and he is the one who was brought in to now oversee the fix on the fire station there  extra level of supervision and certainly people asking  in the center of the addition that's going to be in the back so it's not it was not a question of squeezing it in the existing station or putting on the side in the driveway it's actually it's a free standing element in the center of the new construction of the back properly supported and all of that so that there was a solution that nobody had thought of before yes you know i'm sort of kind of interested in france because i know things are crowded back there was it's it would require an m p t easement that's behind the police station and then it would move on to the property which is a separate parcel but the footprint will be expanded somewhat on the police station but that that has no bearing on the community  this year the story really is what we're not finding and i say that in the context of this bigger discussion of the buildings what we're doing this year has nothing to do with the buildings this year would be the same regardless and so it is with if we can start however with what we are finding and while growing is getting that up firestation repairs as was noted one point two million additional above and beyond what the insurance settlement was a couple of years ago and one council budget already put into the hit like that was very difficult for us to share our total discretionary money was one point four million so you've taken a big chunk out of that as a result of that we had to meet some pretty hard choices precincts therefore eight machines that count the ballots and she has one extra one which is the reserve want to use that town box office perhaps into governing she is looking at replacing those machines i think at this point or something like twenty years and she is a little cautious i think i can characterize as to what she's looking at and what she's going to replace she has in general mommer seventy five thousand dollars to replace them whether she actually does in the next year or so we'll wait and see but we've allocated the money given that as we go forward there's a state primary there's november election there's a town election we may have an extra watching for something so she needs to be ready t five or network engineering and design services fifteen thousand this is part of ongoing money that we spend to continue to upgrade our i t services throughout town additional data storage  was extra capacity that's needed because things are tied together in such a way that if you don't keep expanding with plans to do the poor thing it's like a house of cards are put together and so this is something that we keep saying this but we really need to treat my t like a utility that needs to have infusions of cash every year because there's just stuff that structurally going to have to be maintained over time and this storage capacity is one of them the design money is actually a little different we have to be able to sell it or do something with it so the hub has to move out of it and so this is the second tier of design moving in to figure out where the new wires have to go because basically they're there mapping out the whole network then they're going to find out what the new one has to look like and they're going to find out where the gaps are in the mixture of construction but just going to be considerably more than fifty thousand dollars so in the public safety budget there were some storage now you know cloud explained to me that several at least were for some additional data storage in the cloud is that incremental to this or is that included in these this eighty thousand or is it because they're a different server and i mean they have their own  get rid of anything so you've got public records issues you can't get rid of data so it just keeps building and building and building sure but by direct all my conversations so disturbing is that they are moving to cloud based services  department this is money that we allocate every year we have sort of a five year savings account for both the cardiac monitor and the ambulance as you'll recall last year we replaced the cardiac monitor in the year before it was the ambulance and so we save the money for five years and then we have enough to buy the wife so this just is the money going to facilities this was a bit of a challenge this year because we didn't have a facilities director helping us do this so we've tried to pick and choose what we feel was the best thing to spend our money on if i can jump down the deep w this is where someone's question about those overhead garage doors and window replacement this is money we're putting in so that that work can be done at the same time that the construction is happening above that is all school facilities i don't know i will say we really don't look at that cherry requests because one of the hits on the town every time we go out to ask for money for a new building is oh you don't maintain what you have and so we have really been vigilant about filling the requests from the chantry in addition to the elementary schools because we want to keep these buildings are we want them to be in good repair we don't want some of these items to fall by the wayside so therefore for the chattering we will resurface the auditorium stage you'll remember that we did the gym floor last year replacement and three elementary school that's a total figure for all three community development this is called out and it's separate from the pavement management and we actually had discussion about why it's getting pulled out but we're working on that next year are great now request for upgrading the street and sidewalk safety crossing safety around the w specifically sherman street crossing on one side and on the cross street side back at with streets so again it's just pedestrian safety again if you remember last year we did the burbank all the sa total discretionary to one point four zero we are the roads money is separate because that's override money that increases every year by two and a half percent so this year we have one point six eight three we add to that in chapter nine in any construction season so even if we gave plan more money you could use this because just aren't enough good days in any particular seven seventy is money and money  is what we can't and it's a series of really big ticket items the most important one of the most important being from the fire department replacing the two thousand and three home for six hundred fifty six thousand dollars and we did kind of look at it and say maybe we should just do that at the fire station repair and there we are we're done with the war we went into it the more we said we just can't do this we need to fund this other stuff what what we have to understand with look at this it's the dave rozelle and the council budget committee when you talk about the fire department and you talk about the t w we really have sort of a ten year walkout out how those big pieces are going to be staggered so that we're not trying to buy two fire engines back to back we're not trying to buy a ladder truck the same year we need to replace a snow plow year than ten year play and does this it reduces now to a nine year plan and you've got to squish that i have it and it's going to start bumping up against something you know it's so reluctant l didn't fund it but it's not simply a case of we'll just do it next year will i hope but it's going to have ramifications one of the things the public safety recommended is to really look at the schedule that we tank replacement so when i said to you at the beginning look one landslide those big round things right now there are two fuel tanks and guard that are underground one is for regular gasoline and one is for diesel and so all the sure we might be able to get some reimbursement for this i know not at the state level so he's currently working on that to see you know what the total total cost would be what types of tanks from the ground inside of the breach there's no issues with them now they're not that we know of then you know they're not leaking there's no it's just that they have a life span we haven't reached that lifespan and so we should be alert and we should get ahead of any potential issues and can that not got three items are part of the ongoing projects that every time i get up in town meeting i talk about this and that is town school security upgrades that are ongoing project system wind building number one which is an ongoing project and says john why don't you defend replacement which is an ongoing project we usually put two hundred thousand dollars towards both the town school security and the building up below and we've been trying to put fifty thousand dollars toward replacements we are doing none of that this year however it's not as hard as it sounds because in the transition facilities directors or managers the money that we allocated last year has not yet been spent and so just hold more money out of it since there doesn't make any sense and so what we're hoping is new person comes idea where he has it into our cable television describe it because it's security but we were comfortable in the laying this and in talking to the people involved they're comfortable to have the decision so i think we pull that out as well and she's hoping to find another source for that and like everything it's one of those systems that you hope with that's forever and you know it lasts about four days yeah well we also we've engaged the guy t committee to give us some some insight as to does it make sense to put money eight thousand dollars to the current system or does it make sense to look at a longer term solution that requires a little bit more money so those are the discretionary money could be funded that more like three million as opposed to one point four would be a better shape because what for is what it was funded in two thousand and eleven historically significant but some of them are and and is it conceivable that c p a money could be used to address some of that i mean for example town hall stairs and that seemed caution tape on the front but i know are and everything and he said that all of the fields would be within the debt exclusion all of the three they're going to change some of the fields and the surfacing event and everything else will be included in the pool package so i just wanted to pass that on because i know that we've had conversations about that being something that the c p a would fund the future but might my understanding is just because they are in the package they don't have to come out of the now i think the assumptions been all along that they can't discount on the c p i money so you have to make sure that you've got a funding source for it but if c d m a money is used for those fields then you don't have to draw down that borrowing capacity so authorizing borrowing capacity is not the same thing as using this it's wednesday and select minute meeting on monday and tuesday of next week monday's meeting is in the cards to the traffic plan at the high school i guess it's a continuation of the tax meeting  traffic advisory committee met last week with the high school building community resident showed up two boys some of their concerns with those street entrance tax is submitting  president's concerns and things like and then on tuesday they're having their regular meeting on tuesday and then we'll have a presentation of pretty much  and we have questions for the person who presented that person is not here to be able to talk about it now in this case we actually have a member of the capital budget committee that actually could potentially speak to it although not chair no offense but have other topics like for example that floyd was here for he won't be here to answer questions so i'll just say one of my last meanings i'll just advocate that it's i think it's a good idea to actually vote concurrent with the discussions you know to rehash a discussion and if there are questions that you can answer them from the then hire the architect we're expecting to have an architect on board by late summer early fall and then assuming that the architect will then need to sort of get into the business of looking at the site in the plans and so on before we start a public process we're looking at potentially reaching out to the public probably at the very end of the year or the beginning of next year january sort of that's the the proposed plan and both i s this last night and the chair with elaborate trustees was angry at me because we she hadn't known about it but i said that in both of the reports from the major capital projects working group and from the capital budget committee  stayed in there under the sections having to do with the library that those two groups are expecting that a dead exclusion for the library would be brought to the voters some time after twenty twenty that is just sort of thinking about the sequence of votes and how things will be moving forward where the projects are going so that's just out there jay that was just you and i thought you had a similar view of that or no no no it's not me it's the committees i mean those that's the i said that's the reports from those committees it's not mine but on the library foundation i'm not testes building committee here it was that yeah the library trustees she felt that that was ultimately decision will have to be made about the exclusion of have the greatest likelihood of success absolutely and the there are several competing factors here there's a landscape it has to fit in with the high design which isn't going to happen before probably a year from the fall of the mansion i mean possibly as early as next spring but that's pushing it so you know the capital fund raising depends on having that to some extent  another at least a year or so beyond that to really begin to a capital drive so there is a lot to the library decision but i just wanted to let this group know what the thinking is at the ok thank you for that jock i ask you to make a motion