at the time officer chandler arrested mysql second given the undisputed facts of this case a reasonably objective officer intends position would believe that clothes had not been asked by himself or by sutter health staff to leave the building like staff private security guard and then a police officer tried to do everything they possibly could other than arrest her and she was going to leave well i mean what should they have done in the lobby as long as she left the room it would it would have been any burden on them to say that if she's refusing to leave the room then revoking our permission for her to remain in the building so they could have simply asked her to leave center house wouldn't that have more i mean that would have been i guess a harsher out they were trying to accommodate her and just get her out of the exam room so that you know so this so that they could use the exam room that other patients they had to treat so why i mean i just don't understand what it is that they were supposed to do in these circumstances it seems like they tried everything else well your hon r they were all they were allowing her to remain in the building as an accommodation with with that sorry excuse me because they needed the examination room they were ok with her remaining in the building they didn't have any reason for her to leave the building as long as they were able to use the examination room however if she was unable or unwilling to adhere to that condition then they were free to revoke their permission of course we have the broken arm and that's important but you also have to look at it in conjunction with the way in which extracted her from the exam room that's on the body here in footage while the body camera is imperfect and depicting that you see him towering over her while she's passively sitting on the he's holding on to her with one harm pulls her out of the room drags her against the wall like a rag doll takes her arm twisted up to her neck behind her back with another force to break it  exactly what those are the court doesn't explain exactly what they are but he was taken to the downs the ground face st pretty similarly to how his close was and and he didn't break an arm and so i think based on that inference and based on  he was justified in removing her from what is a position where that could have been done constitutionally circumstance so how could he have removed her from i mean i'm just interested because it seems way of getting her to leave the room so the least intrusive way it would have been so let her do what she said she was going to do and that would be to leave voluntarily well i think that with all due respect she's been asked that a dozen times already and whether that was of her own choice and that that's what i want to focus on because i i'm not sure that's true i know is there a case where arms been broken let's assume i mean even if we deny qualified immunity when you go to a jury in the jury made look at this and normal i don't mean to be disparaging but i mean you might expect the average individual to have reacted differently but it was clear that she was having a difficult time processing what was going on and i know that they are you know part of that  you i would agree with you for ninety five percent of what happened here but i think it's that it seemed whether he lost you know became frustrated or were just impatient and and what would what does that matter well that's all to get to my next point which is that this has to be looked at and the totality the circumstances the question is not whether the force was necessary to accomplish a legitimate police objective it's whether the force used was