busy andrew ly l e y i was a sixty three about my high known as andy then got to college my roommate said that's to hold he drew was better so andrew is a multi purpose name which is the full n idea this is one thousand and sixty three things were quiet in the far east sort of but it's time i graduated in sixty seven it was a whole different ball game so  taking the navy razzi courses at dartmouth we had this really hold the navy instructor and he was just yet but by the same token there was this very dynamic marine instructor and he spent twelve years in china and hear all these stories about the cia i'm just charismatic and i said ok we're all going to go happened just typically personalities you know can drive you one way or the other oh yes well i always wanted to sort of fly in the navy would give you flight lessons while you were in college so and once i got commission going to quantico and then to flight school which is year and a half of specialized training yes it was a lot specialized training and as a razzi student you had your junior year of summer went down to quantico for the c s i was a ten week program and since a lot of the people were ivy league whatever students at o c s the instructors a member of staff sergeant diaz was  getting to some degree shoved in your head conformity and things like that and a lot of that is which is interesting from the o c s perspective is the psychological side one they're trying to have you end up with some conformity and also how do you adapt and react to adverse situations like it was unusual to have them take a bucket of sand and throw it forward you know a fifty five gallon drum thrown all over the squad bed and then give you half an hour for everyone to clean it up so everyone had to work together to get it done because you knew you were going to be inspected within forty five minutes and if they find anything and blah blah blah everybody suffered you go out and do laps whatever the thing was certainly one had to kind of get to gather and work towards a common goal by the same token they would also rotate individuals as sort of the leader for the week or the day or whatever and it was it was sort of a leadership because of it and fourteen your little blog back to recharge was a semiautomatic weapon and at one point the extractor in the bolt had jammed and it wouldn't get to the rounds of  he gets to me and when you present the the weaponry slide the bolt back so he can go and it's all very formalistic the way this happens when he gets to me and i and where anecdote number one part of o c s was keeping your had about your knowing a lot of this is not fluff but it's trying to teach you something so if you step back a little bit and appreciate the mechanics in the psych cycle logical aspects of the whole thing parts of this were fairly amusing some weren't a lot of fun but some of them were sort of sixty seven dollars a harvard friend of mine and i were going to flight school drove down to pensacola this was the sixty seven and i had a car with mast plates on a driving down near montgomery alabama and places like that going we have to get out of alabama you know mass plates so we required to be taken like i was a navy rotc c c would have some male oriented classes like seamanship or something like that and the issue that were was hot on campuses back then was  institution so as a consequence a lot of campuses plus you know dislike of the war this is you know back in the early sevent  what the academics viewed as right wrong or whatever you know it was driven a lot by one the turmoil the time and secondly by a sort of an academic liberalism bent to dismiss really it's wrong we should be supporting them you see some of that still today but campuses i think it become more liberal certainly in the academic side and one could argue that faculty is kind of usurped a lot of practical thing as with college and what it does and but they are a big and i think a lot of vets kind of get tired of hearing that because you know that's just sane and or whatever that's where bass which cause the easy grace simple way have a lot of that's kind react  know thank you thank you all i can do is not and appreciate it but it doesn't really mean much because huge disconnect between i think the military and the civilian populace which is why friend of mine is a retired major general talk about how you kind of meld society being a cohesive part as opposed to letting the one percent fight a war and the rest as i said go shopping at the mall bring back the draft it was one idea having a compulsory national service you know be no thing but kind of to the prior speakers talk about going into bars and he'd probably be looking for us because john layman who was secretary of navy back in the sixty's and seventy's it was kind of a warrior culture and ninety two which i think was a huge overreaction taken at least from my view but to the events that happened the tear looking ninety dollars which ended of this huge witch hunt of people losing jobs commands stuff like that over it and i was sort of politically correct in this driven if that's the best way to put it but a consequence that a lot of the warrior ethic which is sort of what you really want the people that are going to go out and potentially die whatever you need that kind of attitude today has gotten so scaled back that  how the pendulum swings especially with this administration who knows but find out it was for a new president nixon at the time it was a hot button to show that he was actually bringing people out of vietnam so i go to your cooney which isn't what i want to do even though i had orders interviewing them so i ended up float off the coast of vietnam and then go to hong kong and then come back that's another long story military has a lot of humor in the navy captain who was in charge of this were going to taiwan and then we she was in hong kong and we grew up to hong kong and you can kind of watches the evolution but i would sit in denying harbor and a bunch of catches one fresh face they're going to you know you know report that and actually nixon is reintroducing people in the vietnam and stuff like that while he was trying to spread the image of getting out of vietnam and ironically a friend classmate attorney brother was also a marine but he was a grunt and he was a k son and i get mail from these guys and i was in pensacola waiting for flight train brothers who were around here and were good friends is really kind of symbiotic because i'm listening to the case on stories of this one fella you know went through and for a long time he wouldn't talk about it and he's not now much more open about it but case on is a very messy thing it's sixty eight during tet if you've been following history but my regret is and i've said this to them they were both grunts and that all the time i was in flight school and getting this mail and by the time i got overseas everything had kind of  interesting all the aerodynamics and how things work in nothing but we actually got a fleet i think was doing an exercise they were coming for the st time coming down the sea japan and of course the russians were interested in all this exercise so they were tailing the fleet and our job was to provide air cover for the fleet coming down through the sea of usually the fighters would go all to airplanes so we had real missiles and everything lefty recur any my wingman had a engine problem so he went back and it was sort of broken clouds underneath and i remember sort of israel going around the missiles world tune thinking the some navy admiral down there who was geared out of his mind that this marine captain is going to do we get society more integrated as viewing itself as a society civically as a group  go back to my you know marines reward america's at the mall and i don't know what the good solution is in that i do think that probably some sort of service  frankly when i was in high school here i thought i should take a year off and i have investigated going to the merchant marine and then got bitterly decision  but somehow it's doing something i think as a part of society whether it's national service peace corps and there are lots of opportunities volunteer stuff this together one way or the other and unless you get out and participate and view things like that like i mean the salvation army board a lot of marine corps scholarship stuff  is kind of giving back but also participating and that's sort of my message is to participate one way or the other but you know get out there and do something