all right needless to say i would like to get the buildings in grand session of this evening's meeting going first off i'd like to welcome everybody for coming all the multiple crowds that are standing out here and the second thing i'm sorry to say that this is the first meeting since the aranda situation happened in franklin regional and i would certainly like to have a moment of silence for their administration staff and students who in fact had to go through and work through the problem please stay with me for the pledge of allegiance contractor none of these projects are ones that would be done in house with peter's time ship stuff they came up with budgetary number either through a contractor myself or the architect i was rather aggressive with this summer only because i want to get started and do something and  i looked at the projects and the ones that i put in that column are ones that i have firsthand experience of doing and have done and have a history of so i feel confident that those are ones that i felt that we could mobilize and potentially work those projects that i have listed in new york two thousand and fourteen for the summer following on into the next year or ones that i listed there would take much more planning engineering design an architect or an esko to help assist with than i  face that out into the next follow on years into much bigger broader projects working from the outside inside out of the facility on a second page and potentially do that through i don't see that happening this summer it could be late in the summer or could be a second shift project in the fall winter months  category but again i work and i'm working from traditional experience what i've done so obviously that last two columns would be more along the lines it up my  should always be confided in and thought of that that's a possibility there too for some of these projects i don't have anything else to offer my comprehension but it was in the document that the architect and i don't that number there is not something that i feel comfortable with no i'm not no that long or high that's very high and and that number there would be has to be a complete fixture replacement it's not having the opportunity to count every light fixture in the building i would send that number and fall back and like to see that be more defin interior yes ok so we would not be looking to replace those next to your lights well in my proposal my long range plan was to do the parking lot lighting also because it is twenty plus years old it's not efficient it's still it's very high maintenance it's not a very effective lighting system it's beyond its is beyond its useful life really i mean it could be retrofit but the fixtures i'm solve are more of an to do that are they going to be able to handle the requirements for the school year falling on winter and summer ones that are in place right now they're going to have to we have no other option this late in the year to do that we have a long history of repetitive calls and service to them and we can we can go ahead and limp through another year and make that work will still have a large volume of calls and a large number of repairs but being that no decision has been made i have been there's no other choice but the continue operate and to maintain those in the best possible condition under the circumstances that i have in front of me i would like to see that changed for the upcoming next year  that number also was taken directly from the report from  still need to have a fan supply with coil to to push hot water or cold water through the quote but you'd remove the compressor type unit that's there that becomes the chiller replacement that would be located outside this is an all inclusive married system yes yes it will take care of a more well regulated room and in a quieter room because that refrigerator compressor is no longer sitting in the room operating on and off making noise and disturbing the instructor and the compressor just like your refrigerator kicks on the middle of the night once you have a nice quiet one you know but this is a fully inclusive heating and cooling system like most institutions operate as such that we have at the other their buildings and facilities so i'm sorry and i believe that the answer to your question is number one roof leaks and repairs and going to replacements are going to and the water that adds to the issues that we have with the mold and things of that school don't i have a couple other questions please share ok i noticed the only thing we have going here from pleasant valley school is the capital projects is the replace universe since i would assume that those are the ones that weren't done last year yes ok this i also notice that that's the only thing on this list but we do have some issues like the crippled playground and stuff like that are we looking to fix those issues this summer or are we going to car to get through with that again for another year and my best abilities are to work through that for another year the feather through the asphalt issues that we have trying to think of the other  pertinent issues we have p v they're not as numerous as the other five so no they're not as numerous but once again the playground is starting to have a ripple to fact that i was formed by a couple parents that when our kids are trying to play basketball their feet are getting caught on those ripples and so they can run they know they just can't and won't for their major league on the donkey and things you know you said i'd i'm i'm just a little concerned because there are issues around that building with asphalt i pointed out in that in a presentation i did two years ago that you know at the corner there is you come up the hill there's still that big hole right at the end so there are some issues up there but i don't see no use and i don't see the one thing we i did have a budgetary number given by a farm for the asphalt ing around the facility the playground area we we can put that back on the agenda or easily if one wants to do that it it may have been an oversight on my part but the universe and some thinking more along the terms of teacher student environmental satisfaction in the building itself again i was looking from the inside out to has issues are we going to be getting that stuff on our saturday meeting so we can take a look at that too yes there was just insufficient time to try to compile every school and in this shorter fashion hair i mean they are all documented and they are all prioritized but but i must tell you they're all not estimated with over two hundred potential projects  to estimate those would be grossly unfair to me because i don't have all the skill sets and abilities to estimate every one of those down to something that i could favorably give you and you to make a decision not on no i just wanted to make sure that that people out there are in fact understand and we're looking at the whole picture not just a snapshot of one building or another these are the ones you have readily vailable tonight yes this is what i was asked to put together for tonight but i we are working diligently on all two hundred projects that we've a done a fide but again to estimate all of those and two part ties those is quite a quite a daunting task we're working took a look at these they are not utilized in the design of the original scold us building up twenty years ago we feel that they're no longer valid to keep to keep these on site and to create a potential hazard for that there is no remediation underground obviously for removal we were looking at removing the oil and then having a qualified certified contractor take th disposal of that oil is probably going to be substantially more than the cost that they paid whenever they put the oil in those now because that's been sitting there for twenty five years or something zones probably forty or fifty cents a gallon or says that it's probably going to be bou for five maybe it's solid but as soon as mr ball pointed now we have the exact same thing over here at the mcmurray elementary whenever they put it together and they used that as a backup system the only problem is they never connected the system that could actually use it so you know this is this is one of the interesting parts whenever we did our building inspection at that couldn't be used by the building it was supposed to be so you know the emergency generator  i do not but you know i don't know if i don't think the jails are more or any of those others were we proposed them a four pipe traditional chiller four pipe system i think that's what they posted in there but i would have to go back and you know you're looking for some alternative to that you know it and something that should be posed if we're going to use an esko or a traditional architect we should post september just directed you know control that's the brainchild of all the heating and air conditioning  know lies throughout the school district to optimize its best performance you know any other comments and for question why is the number ten can you explain why that is necessary well that is necessary if we were going to take the the four pipe chiller system we would have to remediate much of the ceiling work and yeah that that's that's why i pulled those numbers from they did have line items for those and used their numbers because i cannot possibly of estimated at the square footage they have all the documents and square footage and records to try to put that number together there is a logistical ordination of this would have to be as we opens we spoke about numerous times before and the next question i had was number twelve that has been hot which is pressure wash and seal the mason remey now that has ban is that the same thing that the architects talked about a year and a half ago or something with the outside of the masonry and it was high on the priority list that we've received before but now it seems like it's dropped quite a bit is there work that's already being done on the masonry and this would be something i dish and all or is this all of that masonry work where they said you know water was getting through because it's should engage not tonight but maybe at our sort of a plan if we should engage in a very serious discussion and do some calculations based on that for a lot of these projects because regardless of their i think of you know i will have the argument that the cost of funds were you know it was historically cheap and it might be advantageous for us to look at this in a global sense regarding again the cost of money and and the cost of borrowing to get some of these things done for a more long term stewardship issue rather than trying to extend them because of the actual expenditures and it's going to take more than just saying i understand that there has to be a little more analysis in terms of what we can afford in terms of carrying more debt but i think it's a discussion we're going to have to have because it's it's one of when i love our positions i love this but when it comes down to actually have to make a decision i want to get us off center and i want to put us in a position where we make that decision that has the greatest positive impact for us and i think if i look at some of these things and some of the dollar amounts it would be very advantageous for us to examine this issue as a whole rather than fourteen fifteen sixteen seventeen in terms of their year of implementation because if we look at the purpose of the needs versus the cost the funds we might be in a position where we say it's better fiscally sound to lock some of these together and go sooner or later this is one of the reasons why i wonder why not that these aren't the only things we have to look at we have a ton of things right now in every place and sallies said so what we're looking at these figures this is just part of the right is one facet of the diamond not the whole thing by the stress you're just and work and so that probably is the priority but the conversion of the lighting has made a very strained because of this product isn't going to be readily available and as we grow away from it it's going to be more costly likelihood yes because my concern is that the lamps that we're trying to get to a quark are just going to elevate skyrocket in price they're going to be you know this is a lamp you bought for ninety nine cents forever could be nine dollars ninety nine cents here this summer just because they're out of production earth it took them a government to take an amount of production and it just didn't happen yesterday i mean that these signs have been going on for years as i said i did this type of conversion twenty years ago and another institution so this is nothing new unfortunately the school was built in a time frame when they were in transition these fixtures were left on the shelf so not sure of where our technology apartment is going with with i pads versus standalone computer still for the students where there is at all bert leafs leave it some of that burden so there's a decision i have to work with the technology to director to evaluate whether that's six months ago was a valid request to take care of or you're not quite sure about it that is decision will help make my decision and will change that  number number two could go away or it could be that number it's either it's either it either is or it isn't but i need input from technology the ceiling the lobbying the fixtures that's something i did get a hard number i did get a good budgetary number from a general contractor to work with that ceiling is something that has been an issue if you walk into there that the main corridor is a cave like doesn't radiate any light or or invitation and it is a ceiling that is made up of one grid supports another grid supports another grid it's not so it's an architectural wonder that i love architects but i have to but i have to be realistic because i have to maintain those very things that they that's why can't someone call them up is that the longer they said that they're actually tied together with is it time because spray king  i don't really we had an incident where we lost product in fact it was called yesterday morning about a freezer line at the high school on a sunday morning while i was in indiana this does happen and i don't want to lose product  simple law and notification can get somebody there and it's and save three four thousand dollars more of a product so this small investment is something that is just on the gun and every freezer i've ever worked on that has know it's a telephone set up it's a set of wires it's something we have proven at the high school that works that's why i got a phone call yesterday eighteen is the pyrite removal at the bottom could we get an idea which one of these projects crew could there be issues with if they ever have to go through and do the pyrite removal like for instance when they said oh we're going to have to take down walls and things of that sort i would like to know if there's any of these projects that if we spent money on it in two thousand and fourteen and two thousand and sixteen we had to do that and address pyrite would we be damaging the work that we're doing there that's just a question that i would like to know if there are any of those projects just because then i would be just a little concerned what you know to weigh the priority of the necessity of having it done versus if next year  mean wall and ceiling but i don't truly believe any of the large because this is really all relative to the first floor and i don't truly believe there's to be that much infrastructure damage changed if the pirate issues addressed i viewed a pirate issue is if if you don't if you haven't you knew if you don't ever buy that new computer you're never going to get the next best thing if we don't move forward with these other projects and we will we let this pirate issue way heavily on our decision making we won't move off of that center and we won't get any of these things so yes there is always that can't guarantee that something is going to be disturbed but not to the not to not to the significance that i want want to move forward with these projects any one of them stood on end to answer some of that correct me if i'm wrong the load protected to the best to your you know the ones ability and mandate that will be some damage but it will be a minimum you know i don't think it will take away from anything that we're looking at here to accomplish ok be for some reason your of completion pollution time effort notes project venue but we're trying to prepare a document like this for all two hundred of these projects and   their rationale for the changes so i would encourage anyone who has any questions about them to consult them this school board members have all been given the red line drafts and so tonight the purpose of the meeting will be following each policy and then we will only discuss the changes that board members would like to discuss so we will start off with policy number nine o five this is titled citizens advisory committees and it is a recommended policy to replace current policy one to two zero does anyone have any well i see one difference in paragraph three we want at least one board member on it the purpose as one at least one but it has also the limitation of not more than four board members again you don't ever want to put five board members on because of the sunshine  yours i have a question ok can you give an example of any committee that this order would in fact put into place that would only need one lever that would only need one member think when i look at this one that i think it would work great and i had in the back of my since we've always had a policy relating to citizen advisory committees but i don't recall the board ever using it my idea i thought of to whine is when i thought of communication issues and how the district and the board could possibly communicate better with the community and i thought if you had a group of citizens so that you had people outside without any school children on the school children with teachers how are we communicating with you with booster groups how are we communicating with you you get each of those members just to sit in a citizen advisory committee meeting to just brainstorm about different ways that the board could possibly improve its communication barack and make recommendations to the board is these are where we found people saying we could have better communication and these are some ideas we have for you so that you have some sort of assessment and a personal assessment which sometimes we're not once you become on the bore i don't think you know very well how well you're communicating because you're so involved in every day task and knowledge of what you know so that's one idea that never have the full board earn a semblance of human majority of the board at committee work so true committee were going to nine member board would be anywhere between two and three committee members and so your question what have we ever well i don't know about it because in my tenure short tenure has not been a single meeting w representative from the community residents district administrators and or different employees or staff members so it would be made up of lots of different people by only one board member has to be on because there are certain times when board members would much rather say either this doesn't interest me or or if i have that many people putting employed on it i'm fine the advisory committee is not i was not read as a school board member having meeting with the citizens i was in the room i was reading this as appointing a citizen as  so maybe add instead of board member should we make that clarified that since there and face school board members or do you think board capitalized w put in school there so that people realize and it is a recommended policy to rip place current policy one three one t language that was in our current policies so that reflects anything that is in one three one two so if you see any of that language that is language directly relating to current policy one  glad you brought it and may granted he ok so the final level is we may grant a hearing before the board or a committee of the board the complainant shall be advised of the board's decision in writing no more than ten days following the hearing  him sometimes i will say just the way it's formatted sometimes when you try and make i came here to laugh and then it's all so sometimes you know when you bring it up then it's negatively if we did not provide the folks with the answer all of our decision complain procedure is a statutory procedure and i the only thing that i could say is that i did consult a who said this because i said is do we still keep this no child left behind because i know that's by the wayside now and he did say that it is still appropriate to include it so that's the only reason why i am assuming that is is correct is because the language came from there and it's a statutory procedure i'm like all the complaint procedures on page two those are board created complaint procedures how that isn't statutory whatsoever but the n c l b ones would be oh yeah well and i don't know that it would be necessarily not true the board but i think it statutorily defined what i'm shall first address them initially to the concerned employee and my suggested language is after concerned employee  wanted to consider consideration to add when appropriate and it's i only wanted to put that in eco's i felt that there are some times there are complaints that people may not feel comfortable going to the employee purse and i understand it that is the best way to start but that if it was a valid complaint i would rather them go to that second level if they thought it was inappropriate to go to the first level rather then kind of squash that complaint and have  a right but i'm philosophically and completely against this and the reason for it probably obviously to you when i say this is i see it as a theological issue because to me there is no case where you shouldn't go one on one with the person who you have an issue we have it down later on in the bottom there if a complaint involves a superintendent the complaints all initially addressed the concern with the superintendent and i think i understand your point and your example is a good example however when we subvert the process for your best judgment which would probably be good what happens when it gets subverted just because the person the parent doesn't want to with and so i don't want to give in i'm i'm against giving anybody the opportunity to not go one on one with the person they have a concern even in that case because you take one case out of quote unquote order you give permission for everybody to jump ship on step one and it's a lot easier anderson to not go to the person in a conflict with and go to their boss is what it amounts to trying to i'm personally philosophically against a giving anybody the right under their judgment to not go all be it i understand the concern and the example i'm just totally ignores and like them to not have to do it so in many respects it's the same exact thing and again i'm going to say i will vote no you have that language stays simply because it's setting a precedent where every single time you feel uncomfortable as a parent you have permission under this there's a forty being given where appropriate to always some for going to the person you want to talk to and i guess i think it's just of course it is a theological issue for me but i also think it's a practical issue because if you can go one on one you have no business going to their supervisor that's just my person anybody else have a direction as to how they would like it to go for a first reading i happened i'm really with mr smith having served twenty years in the military they have a role that if you have a specific problem with a specific person and of course they use sexual harassment and everything as their example that you had the right to go to their boss then you can skip over the chain of command and go to the president but you certainly have the right to go to their boss not their boss his boss or anything but one step up you had the right if in fact the circumstance made you feel that uncomfortable to in fact address it with that person so i don't i don't agree with with what you said and totally different  it's a good example and it's a great point what you're saying and what i'm saying is well it doesn't apply to this if they don't feel comfortable they can take it on a second or my simple point you know a teacher if you as a parent have a tissue with a teacher and you don't show the teacher of the respect of going to the teacher first with your concern i am not in favor of any leeway of allowing him to go to a higher form of authority without first giving the teacher the opportunity to hear and or view with your problem put yourself in the place of a teacher or a parent might be dissatisfied with any number of things and points to the language when appropriate as a reason for them to go to the principal never giving the teacher an opportunity to hear the concert and or fix the you're sure deal with the issue i find it to be  are inappropriate when it comes to adult communication this gives permission for parents who just simply do not want to be with teachers that they're upset with the afternoon to circumvent and go right to administration and as much as we're all trying to put the best instruction in science when appropriate  that that's simply a stamp for people to say i don't have to even consider going to them and you know that's true well i know that there was a some good right and then it would be up to the principal to say this is something that i would you know expect you to take to the teacher first but if we have a consensus because we know where everyone stands if i could just see a show of hands as to who would like w appropriate added on for a first reading purpose if you could raise your hand that's three and who would not allow when appropriate and it that's ok for thing that i provide to do in the beginning is that i felt like rather than at keeping public comment at the and i was just going to ask after each policy whether there was any public comment so is there any french you said that this policy would not pertain to certain complaints can you put that in the title which ones it would not pertain to you gave harassment as an example harassment is different from abuse you know what about abuse what about like  this misconduct i think there needs to be some kind of explanation because as i'm listening to this discussion well i might it really answer a little bit legally speaking is when you have many many policies and one is more specific than another or deals with the more specific laws of construction generally say the more specific governs i don't know i could seek out the opinion of another attorney if it if it bit you with being feel like that would govern in this case that if there's a sexual harassment policy and that is a particular look i think you have to clarify that and that leads me to the discussion that you're having around who do i go to first and i can think of the example of the music teacher from alvin worth school district who was just arrested for sexually abusing a child outside of school and then parents sort of coming forward and saying you know what we're finding out that my kindergartner i sat on his lap he has kids sit on their lap i'm not going to go to the teacher and tell him please don't put my daughter not on your lap and then wait and see if you listen and it's going to go to the principal so i think you have to give that option some kind of judgment not just prescriptive language that dictates how a situation has to follow and i would say when a perp or a it or leave it some kind of language that lisa just stay sated while the principal could direct that person use their judgment back to the teacher if they feel you're just not coming to the teacher because it's an educational issue and you don't have the guts to come talk with them let me be clear says something i have absolutely no support for anybody doing anything but going to the administration in matters of inappropriate behavior so i and it's already been noted that we have another policy to cover that do not take please my comment for dealing with anything that deals with inappropriate behavior by the teacher in no way if the teacher is being abusive and or physically sexually abusive really that is not texting my fifteen year old i mean well where where does that feel you have to have some kind of guidance about when this is relevant or not i but to your point i have three children if a teacher texting my child i'm not calling the principal i'm calling to see and  darcey one thing that i know exist is i know that in practice this isn't followed by everyone because i do know that people go to the principal first and sometimes the principal handles it and sometimes principal says no to the teacher so my purpose in the language was to reflect what i know is happening in practice too but i'm also so i also know that by not including that language in there to give that judgment it's probably not going to change what already occurred so i it's just like i would love to have it in there but i know that without it in there there are still going to be complaints when he when when parents know that i'm going to take this to the principal and it is going to happen so i don't think i just fell from a board perspective that for me personally i would like that language in to acknowledge that there are certain times that you may not feel comfortable but i also have knowledge you know dr hardy's comments about the fact that you're legitimizing not following that procedure and how people can latch onto that language in too many situations that should go to the teacher so i do know that the language that sits right there that first level is the language that we have in our policy so i mean you and i are in the same that you're being too prescriptive if you left it open to us and we strongly encourage the parent start here and extenuating circumstances in some situations you may feel more appropriate to go here if it was just my opinion it's right and we take that and i think you know that there are several it seemed confusing to me so you put these committees together my suggestion was at least one school board at least one but not more than four score school board members plus a mixture of media residents business owners district magistrate and employees because or are you dictating you have to have at least one of those groups it and that i was going to end it with but not necessarily all because i twenty responses from residents and only one from a business owner or no business on earth are you going to say i you know we have to have to actively seek a business owner where these twenty residents  i'll speak to the language i don't think it is is mandatory at all if i thought of in my mind how i thought it would work i fell maybe there would be a general email announcement and if we had you know a lot of our parents who wanted to be on it i would like to be over and i don't know how the board would be all i did want to leave the opportunity for the board or administration if they know somebody has expertise to try and tap those people because sometimes you do have to tap them on the shoulder and ask them would you be interested in serving on this board so i put in language and i'm trying to and it's in number three after advertising for volunteers and or contacting various groups of  representatives i specifically thought about the fact that sometimes i don't think that we get as many qualified volunteers as we can because it always takes somebody to tap them on the shoulder and ask so not your hand picking but sometimes in order to get a broad range that language is not mandatory because sometimes you may not need a particular group if say only wanted to see how well you know we're dealing with sports issues or something you wouldn't necessarily want to can or need community or business member on there who does not have a school age child  so i thought that it was much disagreeing with your interpretation of it i was just making the point that i thought it was a big whether you were requiring that each of those respective members and every committee ok why don't we do that and or district and ok and or interested community members is that where they and or would go after for school board members and or interested ok thank you for your comments and other comments ok we will go to nine zero seven school visitors and what i think maybe we could do to clarify that because i agree whenever we first read the bit i read this i didn't understand but i think and tell me a fun wrong that classroom visitations on page t deal with parents who strictly want to observe the classroom and so if you are actually in a classroom for observation purposes to talk about protecting access to the building that's what this amounts to and i agree with mr bowman here from the perspective of if we're talking about that a disinterested person that you know children in the school can gain access to the school itself but if they're there for the purpose of the operation let me first say i totally understand being classroom teacher i don't want someone just walking in my classroom as i have noticed so i have no problem with that part of it but you know i just wonder  it is that a general visitor even if you're a victim in this section here for a very specific reason identified you're not going to stop somebody who enters the building from directly quickly and immediately go into wards their place of location i've gone to visit is some ambiguity there in terms of i know all these policies and i only say this once tonight i wonder where enforcement is going to be we set all of these policies and who is going to enforce this because i've been to the high school and i have seen people come in there get their passes and next thing you know they're in places they have absolutely no need to be but who's enforced and where members we could get  superintendent well and i do want you to raise that about enforcement because i think it's important to to to raise that the dan i do think we have to get back because of the length of the meeting is bringing those things to the a ministration when you see them happening and try in key you know you make your comment with respect to that but then  have it written there which is a little bit more direct than the language above in terms of the new covering over one two three four five because that's really the chronology if i understand it correctly of events and not before saying obtain a pass that must remain visible at all if i'm not a support member confident that this policy is going to be enforced none of this language is going to be happy to be young so i'm saying mr yes and while i appreciate the fact that you're trying to differentiate this we're got very specific language once admi visitors should immediately proceed to the location again am i totally against a language absolutely not but if we're going to place that i want to know who's responsible for that because if i'm going to vote for that language being in there i also want to know who's responsible for carrying out its administration because if it's the secretary that take my driver's license when i'm there are they going to grab me by the hand and walk me to the place i'm supposed to be to ensure that i'm there and so you're talking about language and i understand that so i need to understand who's going to be the one to ensure that i immediately proceed to the location that name and so again how can it be their responsibility when they have a thousand other things and i'm just concerned about this issue because all these policies have a tremendous number of valid points but we spent all this time training  pass they may know you so they don't make you require to have a pass and i mean other than i guess you reporting whenever you see it not being a force that might title that underlying classroom visitations to classroom observation was wrong and then in the first paragraph it would be parents guardians may request to visit their child's classroom for observation purposes but their request must with that in the first paragraph under classroom visitation which would be changed to observation parents guardian request to visit their child's classroom for observation purposes  anticipation of the raptor system because if the raptor with you have the raptor system it is going to have a swiping system where you would just swipe your card and keep it with you so that wasn't actually intentional meaning now you could show it to them and they might take it later if the raptors system is installed you would show it to them by you know not feel comfortable using the word show because once you show the administrator of i'm ok once you show them they'll say i have to take it or you can't get in so you're still going to have to show in this language would still how i just hate to leave it puts surrender and then it's not going to be accurate to remember to go back and change it well i don't think you have to tell them why you're observing and then this provision does say that under exceptional circumstances and let's  parent and i hate it because at least if i knew that a parent was observing me i have the ability to recognize that but if there's any number of things going on in that parent just walk into the front room it's not even in the building but where they have many entrance way pushed classroom twelve use the camera because it was all the control they could look at anything and i always had a problem with it because at least just tell me you're observing me give me the  that ok well with respect to the statutory comment because somebody made maybe maybe the school code says we did check the two statutory citations and those are basically re and i guess the question is because i don't know how often this is a problem and it would seem to me would be relevant to the why military personnel was singled out statutorily it's just a requirement is required there's other well it is statutorily i don't think it's required that it has to be included in your policy but it is a statutory requirement that you permit military personnel to have access to your building in this manner why are they different than other uniform or what is different i mean on the street why isn't the only separation that i see between them is the fact that your local community sets up what you wear or is as far as your uniform but here you have and one of the terms that i had put in here in accordance with some specific service policies because instead of wearing a out of work uniform you know what everybody sees is be to use a battle dress uniform th camouflage you know you're usually required to use a class a uniform whenever you go into a school building if you're there for an official function as versus picking up your son at the end of the day so i said this specific military service policies what kind of uniform you're allowed to wear and so that's the only difference that i see is versus that of the local fire department and that makes me usually we have fire prevention week in october so why don't we give them separated out as  so i know that there are some states and some school districts who have tried to keep military personnel out of their buildings ok so you know you said as far as why the specifically is set aside i do not know that but i noticed to the left there there is a specific subsection of the code that in fact talks about this so i would imagine that's the reason why it is separate it's just  since there's a specific code reference i would imagine that that is the reason why it's in there or something and the only other thing that i could think of because we do get a a sheet from p s p a indicating what policy they mean to replace and what lang gives some sort of background the only thing at the at it here perception or policy nine zero seven was that they added the p s p a recommended language this is the only one that technically is not bolted so it's new language reason i think that they may have added this which is just my thought is on it statutory and to i know it's been the subject of litigation in the past when you know schools didn't want to permit military personnel personnel in for for recruiting purposes so because it statutorily required sometimes they include i'm looking at this under perspective of i'm in the elementary buildings it's to go to lunch with my child or volunteer in the library to question on the guidelines persons wishing to visit a school or classroom must make arrangements and advance at the school office as opposed to something like of the school office it's fine and then the only other related thing is it may not be necessary but under below when you show your id that's that's true there are certain situations where you print a pass to go to a p in ways in which we're not thinking about very good points so i want to thank you but in that first pair line and your god lines would we all agree that we could probably  eliminate that because we already have the procedures for showing your id and everything and then we already have pre approval required for the classroom observations so really that doesn't mesh with current practice and we already have the classroom observation you know pre approval so would it be ok is my question to eliminate the first sentence in our  wealth to the point that i actually have some sympathy for this because i think that you know with a board member now i became a board member i get an id and literally just show the id you don't have to shoot me in practice usually i do you know right right you have a parent who's there quite often for whatever reason whatever software is meetings and they have prior approval should they not have the option to be able to come in in some way it's not circumvented but expiate the process by maybe getting a school kind of issued id and for i mean i don't actually think that that is necessary there because we're already talking upon arrival visitors mostyn a show there immediately report to the office and everything and then we have if thirty parents that day decide to go and have lunch with their child as a principal that's going to be a disruptive circumstance for one and while i'm all for the practice of a mother or father having watched their child the principal and then you get into this and then it goes back to the previous policy of now she's going to get the call because the parent has a problem the principal gets you see where this thing becomes a snowball and this whole thing becomes a hill you can remain i mean and and i understand that there's no reason why i was saying to limited is because as i agree that it does not even have her current practice in and with respect to what you said before why are we going to create something that we're not following i know for a so you don't have to notify them other then notification but you don't have to notify them at all times that's right ok and then the second i'm sorry say that one again and the only now now what happens is is that if make mari has a big advance they will send you willing where that is linked to up ours will page that you could only get verses that in  and it prints out a pass and the only way you could get it is if you are a parent of a student at me show that pass they know you had because it's very limited number of people who get that the last and so you come in you don't have to show your id so if we said government or school got government issued in all reality you will have shown proof by being the parent or guardian who got that so i got all respect i don't think we have to change the language because in that specific case that you're bringing up it mcmurry your having to show proof by giving the email as the parent or guardian and so this really applies to just randomly i see regularly visiting you know one of our schools and having to share the implication i'm not trying to preclude that situation but if you got that pass from mcmurray you are the parent guardian you have to get the license who cares about the government issued what you your valid person according right brown what she's saying though is that if you are doing an enforcement procedure and you're saying this is what you have to do except if you have a bad school pass you don't have to do that so i personally think that it should include language to says is the only building that uses memory and it's all the star has i have not seen it used at the middle school issued pass and then with that include with that satisfy it would you have a more specific language they you power school or whatever so people satisfied that we are there any other comments to policy nine zero seven that we don't have to sign in the more wonderful we walk in with others or should yes yes you do because it just but you don't have to show your government issued id if you had if if you think the school is a government issued id you already have that if this is number two you still have to do report to the office you still have to sign in which is number three you to pass because you already have your pass so you've already obtained it and you have to sign up before leaving so you still have to do all of those you are not going to have to if you have the star pass that you got through powers or you wouldn't have to show guardians and this is a new recommended policy with language are recommended by p s i'm afraid to look up but i will are there any comment does anyone have any opposition to the only from the part i don't have opposition to the theory but only in as it relates to how again i won't repeat my former concerns but how does that relate to enforcement out of school meeting so in school means any school activity in my book when i hear the words in school so that refer to africa but it's a refer to any difference and if you're taking into school hours but does the school not have a responsibility if an administrator sees a kid you know  i guess i'm just concerned with if you take in the school lot of it that you're broadening the understanding of what the responsibility of the school is to deal with the child or inform the parent if a teacher sees the kid doing something inappropriate or illegal after school hours mr smith that's my concern in the next paragraph we say during school hours and if you're taking away in school from the previous paragraph to me you're leaving out what is precisely prescribed in there during school in school i guess i'm not opposed to taking out but if we're going to take it out then what is the purpose of number three during school hours communicate by phone or even and i'll tell you where i have a problem with this i talked to dr friedel because my eldest is a middle school and there are some teachers interpretation of this meaning that power school is their communication with parents so give an example a student has a bad grade on a spanish exam and this teacher notes sloppy handwriting missed two through six that's a communication to the if the teacher has a concern about the child's behavior and is suffering academically or behaviorally because this concept of just using power school and dr frieden i talked about this last week this is the struggle that the administration at least from his perspective is having and that is a unified understanding of what this would mean and so by putting phone or e mail in there it's expressed that the community patient has to be received and not necessarily responded to but if you leave a phone message or you send an email as a teacher you have exact defense to say i have reached out and i want that same language also in number two because i think the same respect should be from the parent to the teacher by phone or email incumbent upon me to reach out to the parent because you know the kid's not going to talk to mom decker's or bring in trouble not do the work it's incumbent upon me as a teacher to say i care about the performance of this child and i'm going to do what i can do to get mom and dad involved the kid might not or by the way sending a note home to  communicate on a regular basis with students parents who are having problems i know that i was required last year to in fact communicate the first thing the principals would ask me is how many times have you contacted them and i had to demonstrate it's not and then the only question about i have about that language is what if a parent herb's a phone call and doesn't use e mail and then is that language  and likewise into parents guardians are requested to keep the schools staff apprised of changes in their own situation and mere fact as students and i want to say to what dr frank sort of thing really is because if a teacher is doing this when they're evaluating this provides the teacher actual defects in their performance to say i'm exemplary and here's why you know are there any other comments and any public comment on policy nine away oh come on ok ok we will move on to i put this in this language in and i sighed and a lot of other districts policies that were proposed i thought it was a good idea because i don't see a lot of cooperation with the public library either and i being i thought that that's a missed opportunity where we could cooperate and we talking the library our current library now the high school made a presentation at a school board of education meeting about how they want to upgrade in and do certain things and i thought this was a situation if you put this  would encourage the cooperation so that there could be a discussion or encourage discussion with the public libraries so that if they're doing something maybe we don't do it and we encourage our students to use their facilities or something so that's why it was entered in there because i agree with you that i don't think it's fair i see a little bit of a we put copies of our textbooks over there the only other time i see it cooperation is we put our compromise our comprehensive plan over there i know that the director of the library has come to an area council meeting and with the word shell in the last paragraph i don't think that we can dictate the council to meet with us i think ok yes different wording encourage your ok mother word smithing so in does anybody have any comments and any comments from the public ok nine ten we will move on right through to nine eleven news media relations what i would just i don't disagree with that at all i would just point out though our number three delegation of responsibilities when we had our new board training it was expressed to us that the chief communicator to the media was in our case shelly and you know this policy if we don't get to the chief communication representative for the board shall be the superintendent and i get the difference in meaning so you don't have to tell me they're going to differ but if it's true th the public voice and by the way i support that you can only have one communicator to the public then i have some issues if we're going to keep this policy with that because believe me this is an issue that can and i think we all understand this can grow out of extreme proportions and disaster here will you have anything but the single communicator to the media always communicat not include this in our policies because these are covered by nine or two's so the recommendation in act was not to include this now we already have let me pull out i think in nine o two and i don't know that i i have a i think we did move the students language to there are because we did  added school property to this sentence i'm looking at and to the reason i am hesitant about putting the language in about the students is that i agree with the  of speech because we talked about the distribution of materials and how students are how to a different standard now the issue with some of these policies it is because we've had them for so long since p s p eight gave them sometimes they have been changed in the interim and i've been trying to go back through the policies to ensure our because they have what's called p s p policy news network items for those then doubt and email and tell you these have changed so for instance whenever we've talked about the distribution of materials i went back and the language ha changed since the first time that p s p a had sent us that policy now i tried to make a note of all of the policy news network and i think that this was not regional were easy it was all over the place talking to kids all around is that the type of thing you're referring to or is this something else specifically and along with that is i don't know how you're going to control it who's delegated the authority to stop that if there's a report or read football game or a parking lot there's no administrator or is there any ramifications to program and it already is given to the superintendent to determine and you know the release of information that the superintendent or designate is responsible for regular district wide communications in this policy that's where we included under that staff members shall not give information or interviews requested by news media representatives without rival approval of the superintendent or does it mean so i'm guessing it would be under that same provision and we would have students but it does not other than else is saying im not me my problem is this very point because i get your point depends con doesn't depend on context it just policy but again then why have policy because in a speed zone if you get caught any time violating the speed zone the enforcement is x y and z now granted the officer has the right to go no no no right but the important is there and it's to the discretion of in our case gratian whether they enforce that discretion but it's there and so i still believe on this issue and will use franklin regional since it's very fresh in our minds the face of the communication was the superintendent i actually would argue it's sometimes better to have not the with the governor in new jersey with the bridge incident to think about what happened instead of him being in trouble the first thing he was able to do is fire to your point the perp so i'm with tommy mr gross i mean because at the finality of all this discussion if we have up well a seat in the student violated our school robbery to me there should be severe consequences for why some of the message were not just going to have a piece of paper but to your point listen to what you just said you're the police officer and i was going to property is it going to be i mean it's my understanding that the media was on the property asking them lashins is it more is it better to go after them did the opportunity is not going to be there or they might be using maybe their homes or something to communicate with media while on school property but i'm guessing now would be a violation of bringing the cell phone policy so you could get the mare so i'm inclined to not  if we in fact read all the media requirements have to come through the superintendent or our representative then in fact they can come on do we have that the media cannot come on any comments from the public it will go on to nine twelve which is relations with educational institute institutions it's a recommended new policy and the recommendation is to not included in our policies as being unnecessary to not otherwise available to district students so it would not appear to have the gate you to do any thing with respect to you know the teacher training and the question is again would it be easier if we took out the language in delegation of responsibility who will establish administrative regulations that enable the district do you s and this is non school organization and groups individuals and its use of facilities for distribution of materials so this is a recommended policy to replace com policy we won three three zero point three i would like to bring something up with respect to this just because recently there was some communication sent out and i believe the entire board received a an e mail from a concerned resident and it was relating to the group three right now if somebody wants to use a our e mail distribution list that the district  requirements they've allowed to go our e mail distribution list that some people may not be appropriate and may not be very appropriate for school for instance they get to use the distribution list to find raves and usually it's for a charitable well nonprofit purpose but it has absolutely no relationship to the education of our students or it's not student related material i felt like that is a valid concern that that is communication director sends out a lot of e mails people are already complaining there are some any e mails everybody is watered down they don't want to read them anymore and to a certain extent i agree that there are some issues with standing community fundraisers around that have absolutely nothing to do with the education of our students the participation of our students and have nothing related to the school environment in order to remedy that if we feel that that might be an issue i had recommended language that i wanted to propose in page one right under categories of groups it says the board may permit distribution of student related  notices to students parents guardians by organizations that fit within any of the following categories i wanted to put limiting language that says provided that group three notices that's school related nonprofit organizations modest relate to an activity or program slash event that has an educational purpose  in the hopes of eliminating any outside fundraisers that don't have anything to do with our students or our school district o troops right now and i agree with you because the even under that language i did run it past the communications director and said is there anything that you send out  being would be included in here excluded that we may want in and cheap thought about cern athletic events such as like a runners where they're seeking student again i think that student related may be it is a slippery slope like we can already exclude some of the items that of we've included because it's not student related however apparently these organizations you know are making an argument that somehow a clothing is really helping people buy cheaper  so therefore it is student related so again it is just bringing it up and now there are thing that i thought about what might be it does it is an educational  it's like community there for instance we've already been i think the district has been requested maybe to advertise for the farmers market that is going to be  happening where locally and the question is do we want to use the email distribution list of parents who signed up for school related notices to be used for the community related that  the school website because it's not school related this happens to be my wife who rung and the simmons have been members of my church i'm not advocating we don't misunderstand my question here my question has to do with the fact that it's educational y in its its nature it's for the younger students of the township i mean that so you see all i'm presenting here is there's a very slippery slope if we start trying to differentiate between the exact what is and what isn't because i would argue that community i'm all for promoting it because it's it's it's a community but if we're talking about education of our students then it seems very logical for me to say the school district an event like that that goes through the whole summer once a week in a very local farm with a with a professional teacher that that would be beneficial to the kids not i'm not suggesting that the school district should do that because i do want to keep separation but it's a it's a it's a better example i think than the farmer get which is just a profit making event for whoever is putting on the farm market by the way this is all too far can't it's also a profit making issue so it's not right right and that's probably why it's clued in because our current forty two hundred families who get these e mails right you've got one complaint and we're going to have a policy based on one complaint out of forty two hundred as one who lives in a world where it's all about this one and i don't think it's i don't think it's one complaint challis said she gets and it is about one particular learning set out every year she gets multiple and then it just brought combat because we are losing people and it is getting way by one thing that mrs belcher sad is whatever language we use because we do see that there's some that are appropriate some aren't and it's clear and right now where she's been using she thinks it's clear but like with respect to the farmer's market you can make all those connected are it's nutrition and it's you know whatever it needs to be clear we also know that we do have e mail distribution list is a valuable resource and in my opinion we should only be using it or  at our student now it just so happens that it has that nonprofit group which is interesting though because i wonder it's not school sponsored school related organisation what it were to say that the group three notices had to have an educational purpose for i your efforts to put towards these we have a number of employees here that we actually want to have a coherent tomorrow morning yes yes so i removed that we spend on this policy ok