concerted effort led lurd that aliens to the united states and second the notion that the defendant in that case qualified under accomplice liability because the alien sonakshi is although they had crossed into the united states before they were picked up by the defendants in that case he had not reached their immediate honor in this case the the first and the fact that now the illegal aliens arrived to the house in san diego and didn't the fact finder specifically find that the whole purpose of the smuggling scheme was to get the aliens to los angeles and they didn't even have to pay the smugglers until they arrived and the kenyans this nation was los angeles not the crime isn't a crime of bringing aliens to the into the united states the district court found persuasive that some of our cases have the analogy to drug smuggling cases where the purpose of the drug smuggling has to bring let's say the cocaine into los angeles and the crime is a continuing one which is not complete until it reaches its destination like why should the logic of united states you can expand all the way to los angeles what's to stop the next case from expanding all the way to washington  it make a difference do you think if instead of los angeles the destination had been yakima and that your client had picked them up at the say your border in san diego and was driving up interstate five to the relevant to whether it's a whether it's bringing bringing people to the united states i mean i gather your argument is that the crime stops at the border unless you can show some agreement  prior to that to do something else in united states or do you even feel that far i remember as martina seems to say if you had him show they acted in concert or if you if you have some prearrangement that that's decide all the drug smuggling cases differently when we where we have found that the people who offload the mother ship on the beach as the cocaine is being landed are part of the concerted effort to smuggle the drugs into the united states even though the argument at least in that eleventh circuit case was that once the mothership had passed the twelve mile territorial limit that it had to functionally cross the border and therefore they couldn't be charged with importation o martina's was a case where the defendant picked up the migrants who had crossed into the united states in the desert and had proceeded to a freeway so it wasn't immediately after their entry into the united states or have been some travel from the border to a freeway location and it was done in the open and when was the same way it was done out in the open by you smuggling organization that perhaps wasn't as well organized as well and this particular instance the migrants contact of the smuggling operation in the one you know range to be traveling to to be transported to los angeles this particular defendant so filled that role he was part of the machine part of the operation which worked to fulfill the objective being do some of that was given to the migrants in te juana that upon payment of certain fees they would be people who wanted to be transported who were here undocumented and legally wanted to be transported lossing it was to get past the second many checkpoints the last one horseman checkpoint that exist before los angeles and they made arrangements at that point in immigrants illegal aliens had been told that they were being taken to class and is that that he was part of that scheme and i saw on the record why not just one he went to two and he instructed the margarets in each and every detail on how they're doing to be to enter the vehicle and how they were to be concealed for the trip to los angeles he sees me how does that harm his actual considered action if they machine part of the operation fulfilling the ultimate objective that was made an agreement that was made into one that these people were to go to los angeles for payment is the evidence in their records that show people had crossed into the united states i do think however you know we're not going to find that the record but i think what we are going to fly as a number of factors and facts which can give the trier of fact and the facts find a reasonable basis for an inference and this particular instance   that would warrant a conviction and didn't want convictions you know it's analytically this gets troubling from another a number of respects i think the you know the continuous crime theory that we had in thirteen twenty six really hasn't worked out all that well continuous crime that's not completed until we get to the comma i think would serve to perhaps create complications and that's in the area of this crime that's not place right now not very complicated i don't know that's something to it's a plain recognition of how these things work and i think this case shows how a better organized more sophisticated operation one it's enabled to actually have a home follow people so they got a good business in the united states i'll transport any illegal you send in my house and that's a crime and he should be punished for that crime it's erring on the inference that he know much take your time our questions i hope you got everything that you wanted to discuss today but thank you but i sort of battle etc what they were talking about there was imaginary international boundary lines and twelve miles away from the shore and that the crime was incomplete until it actually got to the land the to the city where it could be unloaded and i was thinking about that and that's actually very similar to a lot of other cases but then the side that you have aliens are walking across the desert and the crimes they pass technically little past into the u s but the plant crimes not completely until they get to the motor home that's going to take them somewhere in so they get to the the media destination and in the country you know is the basically the in the first the first place secondly identified as the united states loading not you wouldn't use reach that they were still involved in the smuggling venture that point to the person that looks like the plane or the or the person who were unloading the plane when it lands in a remote location and the plane first landing and then in the civil i see left and didn't really recognize him in ramirez martina's that there may be temporal and geographical limitations and circumstances under which it would not be appropriate to charge someone with aiding and abetting the smuggling but that that's what the fact finders are for in order to determine whether the evidence is sufficient to establish and it involves questions of what did the defendant know in terms of the overall conspiracy and what was his role in the offense how how he was he to complete it and how remote in time and in place with his son in comparison to record can give of what the district court seemed to be influenced heavily by the fact that here he had to get him through the same committee checkpoint which is if you look at other supreme court authorities illegally equivalent of a border is it not i mean it's like a roving border patrol checkpoint that's established forty or fifty miles north of the border on freeways the supreme court has approved when i think even the government conceded that it's not that the being that mean the border she certainly talked about the the significance of the san clemente checkpoint and moving aliens from the border to los angeles is part of her finding the fact coupled with the circumstantial evidence of the secretive nature of the drug house and the way that he secreted the people and having folks climb in and out of windows to avoid detection in finding that he was part and parcel of a  here i think those are the facts to prove prove transportation and that not the bringing bringing the people to the united states if you look specifically at the defend