significance that you approved of as soon as possible the trees need to be removed so that the d p w shall can be used as a temporary fire station and that town meeting is being asked to approve the funding for their new fire about center field softball field thank you very much so that prevent someone from walking unt will point out that we never asked for the green screen in the first place that it's only good for you because it was shown on the plans not in art class but by their own architect so we would interpret that to the right been approved sign then went and did came in with the monument signs they have another this undermining that sign for lifetime fitness which would have been pretty much right at the same corner and it didn't make much sense to do says dear chairman rask we wanted to give you an update on the status of our project we've heard loud and clear from you in the planning board that the project as proposed will not be approved our engineer indicated he has res of cornell study drainage calculations design but following conversations with the town planner we recently concluded condition the engineering of that proposal will be an additional waste of money for us and time for every we've heard from both from you both that are meeting with the town planner of the previous board meetings that at the very least you would prefer to see structures and feel more like other houses in the neighborhood and that's simply the size of the largest house we've also heard of four to five units each home with each home and home in close having them more than seventy five hundred eighty thousand square feet maybe something they can be supported designing a project like this is unique and challenging though we believe it can work and fit in with the neighborhood we have engaged more of a residential home architect to prepare a concept plan of for homes under eight thousand square feet with plan if we receive four votes on it knowing that they are not buying it at all we will complete the final engineering to provide answers to all the questions from the town consultant many of which have already we already have we have already we believe this will take no more than one to two meetings i can't stress enough we were interested come to an end point we've worked very hard to west two years on trying to sign a project that meets of a certainty  bio on the clearly seems or we've made mistakes at the beginning but we've been listening to the board consultants of labor since then and we strongly believe that this new plan we can accomplish with this new plan we also understand that your term is ending referring to my chair if the board is so inclined to grant a continuance given the amount of work we have all put into this project we quite kindly request  everyone we believe we because it will get there one way or another have of each project is always different and it's never easy to anticipate how the stresses will go we thank the board for their continued work on this  consideration and learn request please don't hesitate to contact us with any questions or comments sincerely matthew zucker and jerry rappaport so i'll just make a couple of lot of great people in town and i wish the board success with that new input coming their way this was written how honestly say that i wish we had seen that three months ago it over to a board discussion that i'm going to remove myself from because i on urgent and humble humbly read the letter and you ask me to continue in that capacity but i believe that my word is what i stand with and i guess i would know this you know they really thought about it the truth is this forward works very hard to come to a consensus and i believe but let me just be very clear for the people a audience i do not intend to take any more information about the project tonight what we have before us is an application and we have i guess three one of three decision to make to either one as the letter is requesting for the board to consider allowing the applicant to come back to continuing be on tonight and let the applicant come back with a much smaller sixteen year for building project or two that we close the hearings at night or three that we continue telling us what they were looking for we kind of went back reexamine where the market wasn't obviously changed where it is today to where it was last year where we're three years ago kind of saw some other nearby concept where they were selling more than we thought  you know while we knew that the plane of the twenty four units was going to be good night we didn't hear at that meeting i mean something like ford you know something that looked like homes for different on major subdivision with four units in home you know more than you know seven thousand attack obviously understandably been deflated we thought this was more of a residential home architectural idea that you would design a home that looked like any other only and then you would kind of hoover it to for you and something like they were do on historic homes where they come very close to condos it's a unique idea you have to have four concepts we can't just come in with one show you one they all have to look different you may have one that is looks like two townhouses it into flats and one that  in each building that maybe two of them are bigger and two of them are smaller in a couple where you're mostly you know having that open concept so they could still have a family event there and everything  number of units but it's still something different in the neighborhood at what point do we say it's worth it for this town just to get these two units and still have something a little bit out of place neighborhood not to continue the hearing to conclude this process you're able to come back in again and do it again you know that we submitted a proposed warrants article to a town meeting to allow us to take a look by law so let's not let there shouldn't be any there shouldn't be any misunderstanding about that we are in favor of creating senior residential development we created a bible and continue to make it more generous over time because no one's taking advantage of it suddenly the time housing options i have been very concerned for the very beginning that this project needed to fit into this neighborhood based on what the neighborhood is from high public comment because i see there's a couple  crystal clear to dan it's too much traffic those are your main concerns a year later when the applicant came back in its formal application it had completely disregarded those comments there was no change with respect to density or traffic at least nothing substantial enough to show any to reflect any real consideration of the board's comments or your previous it became clear that that application was a nonstarter the hearing regressed from there and became basically another pre application meeting last summer it was last july i believe where the applicant came to you with several different concepts plans of one of which showed four buildings at the end of that hearing the applicant decided to proceed with one of the other concept plants a thirty unit proposal in september the board was crystal clear to dance we're not going to approve this if you proceed you can go ahead with the engineering but it's not going to make a difference was what applicant seven months later here we stand and the applicant now tells you that finally they've heard you in the letter you read mr astley there was a lot of mention of respect respect for the board respect to the neighbors and the residents but actions speak louder than words the applicant's actions through this process have demonstrated a complete disregard for the comments of the board and a complete lack of respect for the residents who are coming here month after month to learn about what's being proposed and hopefully have a say in the project ultimately we're asking you to please put this application out of its misery if the apple can't really does intend to come back with a revised project that can do so but maybe this time they will put the thought into it head of time to make it a proposal that they can stand behind and actually provide the board with the real application that you can actually consider comments about me i'm not going to address much but just so you know whether i'm continuing does not start presses so for the record the new member will not be able to participate in  telling the applicant the size of the development that this board would consider i'll say very publicly i was and you will hear i will vote to not continue my decision was that this did not come in time what i said at our last meeting was that everyone agree that march thirty first was the deadline to submit something and that i was prepared to make a decision based on whatever is before this board on march thirty first and if because of  that i am not going to continue to be on the end of my firm i think that is living to my word and that means if the planning board sees something that's hopeful i'm one member of the board i'm not the king of the  something that is hoped and they want to give it another month that's the parotid of elected officials but now the applicant has been understand the bar went up because now they need four out of four members of this court want to look at a little further but i will just tell you that i won't entertain doing that because of what we said our last meeting to be very  clear march thirty first was the deadline to get something then i asked mr rappaport if he could live with that line he said he could i mean i wish this had come three months ago i think we'd be talking that everybody has gone through during this process but i again have to remind you that this senior residential by law it was less than active from our master plan meetings two thousand because there is a definite need in this town for this type of alternative housing the sites that rental housing that it claims and i think you need to respect all the people over fifty five that that are looking for this kind of alternative so i don't know that this is the right plan but that still is what very talkative to do is to review proposals so that we can have some additional diversity  there are places you have said yourself very early on that there was other places in west where this particular design would be very well suited to this place what about the minority it's been sitting there for four or five for how many hundreds of weeks or whatever they had that house with horses back there for a long time when you cut into that ground and you contaminate the water what about that that hasn't even been  location is wrong and you said that one hundred times the location is wrong there are places in west point where we would welcome this you have said that many times so please don't back away from that are there is a substantial there is my understanding what we were talking about a straw poll nonbinding to leave whether we're going to prove anything or not we're going to say whether we're willing to be more meetings on this thing ok we can come to a guest we could all walk away equally dissatisfied ok but if we turn it down it goes to court they can set the record back to us and say do this or that right answers that they have the may have a way that doesn't get people you know i do believe we have been sending a signal for a very long time least four months  traffic from the drive through traffic so at that time you considered it necessary to have a longer  i don't have recommendation that so we would we would do that and then on the drainage issues it was again by a plan to show the correct range that was that is actually on the site i think we're missing one that they make drainage improvements at that time so now they're coming back to you having made an improvement to far to the center which coincidentally improve the drainage situation so the question is do you want to maintain those drainage the fifty five i just want to make sure it was some sort of agreement as to access and it's a good time to get that worked out the second thing is we just want to for some documentation on that the traffic issues are resolved indeed the one thing we would recommend is that the applicant pursue a right turn in right turn out on one of the suddenly drive similar to the normally drive as the applicant to see what they could do to to create this if this thing culvert i don't know how that will come out in the order of conditions that is not at the approval meeting but karen did mention that doubtless something that the board was looking for substance and cleaning that up and moving invasive species but also looking to see if there's a way between the african and the public works department that they would send them over to braise that's an area that is causing a blockage and then exacerbating the flooding of it but all of the businesses in the back are part of it as well and we started by talking about that is creating an entrance to the business park now you get a couple cars on it so it looks like that dealership is a business par finish the process favorably  necessary because we just can't put up with it so now it's an added three dealerships  come to represent my government crossed i would just say regarding that we would much rather have the test driving on route one and on pleasure driver wilson right so it is a major thoroughfare and it's appropriate for transcribing the only question is one of clarification you had a few conditions that are new related to specific design we had understood from other hearings that there were other sets of conditions that the planning board has been considering and those are those are in the record of the application now but it had been spoken of that if necessary could be made a condition we also spoke about an easement for the property at three fifty five providence highway and i think the outlook and said that  speak to them that there is no they did their research and found that there is no easement in place the board may or may not want to condition it upon obtain an easement or making best right making best efforts to obtain these and i don't know that you could actually vehicles from parking there and and notifying the car carriers that they would not be permitted to stop there they got to pull into the lot and that could be made a condition that it's been addressed in the application that they are going to said that they would do that but he could actually condition the approval upon the placement of those signs and and have traffic regulations put in place to not allow parking on those responsible for putting those so you would ask the applicant to put up signs or you could ask  job you have i think what the condition would be would be for the african to install the signs if approved by the point so that if you want them to install them if you want the town to install the next in on the matter we any further discussion conditions are yes and the waiver we try to understand the context and i say this is a really really really tricky say i don't know how familiar everybody is with the put twenty eight foot drop from front to back and it's a really odd shape with a lot of constraints on so it's it's a difficult axis this is going to be essentially stepped parking is the only way to do it because such and such and such a large rise to get up to this point so basically coming into the site looking at a one then a parking here  is pitch troops which is a sea of three years was a challenge to get on the site with night but basically the front of the buildings were broken up so we're trying that in that front of the building we're trying to break the scale down so to speak a little bit better with the  building with elements t are just sort of architecture sketches but using vertical vertical landscaping techniques in the parking soils is vegetative swills to create that create ways of sort of stepping up on the site so quickly that's the old building material that we're library project this board allowed a they allowed a more contemporary design of the library that they required characteristics of that design to pick up on elements of the buildings around it so  this gentleman had come for the land use committee a couple of issues were raised one was a concern about we all had amassing study at that point we didn't have the design of this proposed here but the concern was that the massing of the building seemed to overshadow the existing building that th proposed building was very close to the existing building and that the parking significantly changed the character of the very lane scape site now to make it something very different than it was and there was a caution that you have to take the special standards for for high street into concern for it would apply those and and would be looking for a building that was very much more similar to the buildings that are along high street so they asked to come and speak to the board to see if you would take that route or if you would be willing to consider  add as many spaces as the second floor would demand based on square footage but would you consider allowing the applicant to submit testimony as to why the parking spaces that they would need would be different than what the  waiver under a special permit if they found that they are this is less of a need than are my lovely suggests the other question has to do with the parking lot design standards as you can see this this existing parking lot does not conform with the existing standards and when this project came to the board in the past it was written in a decision that when there are further changes it would have to bring the project into compliance with the parking lot design standards if you were to do that you would reduce the number of cars that could go in there because you'd have to add landscaping and addition to the landscaping question there are drainage requirements in our parking design standards that are not met in the existing parking lots of the question is would you wave those standards or would you require the parking lot to meet the parking lot willing to waive the landscape refinement of the parking design standards to allow the on landscape parking to remain the same expanding the signs you would then it's worth pursuing this but if you wouldn't if you're going to require then state park and that will reduce the islands you will reduce there's also i don't believe that you have twenty four foot i don't wince between the spaces i believe they're closer than that now so i don't think the existing parking lot complies with the board standards for a parking lot and i think that if you brought it up to standards you would have fewer parking spaces there so i think that what henry's looking for is to hear whether the poor will be willing to grant a waiver of your party a month standards in order really don't get it through news leaving bulk of a parking lot same configuration