good morning judge is and may please the court my name is aaron allen off and i represent attention or i care in the role as garcia the primary issue i really would like to focus on today is really just a question statutory interpretation i'm not even going to mention the j word but this is not a novel issue the question of statutory interpretation is something that this court addresses with some regularity specifically the question here is the attorney general rewrite law rewrite congressional law by redefining a statutory term within a regulation can i you don't want to mention the j word none of us really do but removal but concedes removal and you under my argument you're making is that the process that initiated the removal is defective but if she concedes remove ability isn't she a little bit like the person the pleads guilty in a d the issue as soon as is agreed that this is a question subject matters thank you but specifically what we're talking about is a definition of history here what didn't you just say that all the courts are concerned curtly should have giving the time to appear that served on the person which is which makes sense given that it's very important that the alien be notified that these jumping to they wash and say you keep it's the priority already but that the regulatory language is dealing with a charging document which is much broader than an m t a so even if you were to say the thing that they serve on your client e it in the absence of ambiguity well the question here is whether jurors diction at the patched to the immigration court right short so i don't want to jump over to that notice to appear argument i want you to focus on how does jurisdiction happen in the that's what we do we're going to start there so for your benefit you should talk to us in our language which is walk us down that jurisdictional path so the problem that we're having is that jurisdiction were interested in it asses referenced by regula includes anything that qualifies as a charging document some examples of which are short three documents there's a big difference between what you said and what i said right yes but when the when the government document in title notice to appear so it is a document that has the title that is required and the question is what happens if there is some deficiency in that document does it and that was given to her by the court which is not a processing data and therefore can't initiate jurisdiction by itself but well and had to find to documents and she got a document and you're saying because it didn't come from a certain force you can't satisfy the definition but that you'd have to show me where in the statutory definition it says it has to come from your source when you if you're going to stick with the you know if you're going to be very strict about that in the statutory definition i'm curious whether there was a time when at the same time she got all the information that's in the news to appear you've already said that if the document is supplemented an hour later by something given the date and time then it doesn't work which i  have a hard time accepting that but if i had some time she got something with everything in it why was that not satisfying everything that is encompassed by the statutory definition there is a time at which she received all the necessary information that is included within the definition of us with here she received in two separate documents from two separate a single time yeah i did and but that didn't that's not happened though she was given a notice to appear and then weeks or months later she received a notice of hearing which indicated it here a date and time and it include anything else in there now other than the a if you have something you would like to respond you may you don't have to we're going to give you an opportunity the government an opportunity for you to listen to the oral argument and submit a supplemental brief but if you have something you'd like to say now in response you may you thank you very interesting thank you council now everybody has excused cases submitted in court is in recess till nine tomorrow morning