evening everyone welcome to the selections meeting for tuesday january twentieth we're going to head right into executive session at six thirty so i'll make a motion that we enter into executive session to conduct strategy sessions in preparation for negotiations with union personnel or to conduct collective bargaining sessions or contract negotiations with union personnel the fire department contract will finish executive session and come out to regular session at seven p second all those in favor roll call yes yes yes yes yes thank you we'll see you in a half hour good evening welcome back to the selections meaning for for tuesday january twentieth i'll go through our agenda seven p m citizens input topics not reasonably anticipated by the chair forty eight hours in advance of meeting seven o five selections update seven fifteen p m public hearing m p s l c discussion and vote taylor swift concerts july twenty fourth and twenty fifth two thousand and fifteen from five p m to eleven fifteen pm at seven twenty five board will discuss the spring warrant articles at seven fifty five sharon watson our town planner will come to discuss the commuter rail project and then also the forty b project on fisher street that's proposed and at eight p m bill keegan will provide us with a town manager you could give your name and address please sure my name is brian murphy i'm actually not a resident of foxboro i'm a resident of boston i am currently an employee at patriot place and i just wanted to come today to provide my input on the  the the the the potential impact of burning the m b t a commuter rail to and from fox part on a daily basis quick background on myself i'm a twenty thirteen college graduate and i recently moved back here from school in north carolina i'm actually a local boy and grew up the next town over in north fork and you know i was given the fortune and opportunity to work at patriot place and you know have since moved into boston with my newly engaged fiance and the two of us you know she works in the city and i work out in foxboro so every day i'm faced with the reverse commute to and from the town and while it's it's you know it's not difficult in regards to traffic it can be a challenge i have about a fifty minute commute to work every day  and the thought of being able to take the train to work on a daily basis would you not only make my life significantly easier but would you know make numerous employees and patrons of the properties lives incredibly easier on a daily basis while i'm you know young and wanted to give living in the city a try at some point i do see myself wanting to settle down in a town like foxboro somewhere in this area at which point the ability to commute to the city is extremely appealing to myself and i think it can have you know a very very valuable impact on this town as well as as well as the surrounding towns and patrons  right give a brief selectman is update i just want to say congratulates sions to the patriots on their win of the a f c championship and wish them the best of luck at the super bowl i was lucky to be at santa herman's retirement party on friday night and got to see an actual super bowl ring because one of her friends used to work for the patriots and it's really impressive so wish you the best of luck with that congratulations to sandra on her retirement party was great bill was a great master of ceremonies too good job you are probably way through it was fun also i wanted to congratulate bill on being nominated so it being seven fifteen we have a public hearing n p s l l c discussion and vote on taylor swift concerts for july twenty fourth and twenty fifth of this year chapter one thirty six section four town of facts for revised general by laws five section six in also stadium rules and regulations will conduct a public hearing on tuesday january twentieth two thousand and fifteen beginning at seven fifteen p m in the fox row high school media center to review the application submitted by m p s l l c for the tail swift concerts this event is proposed for gillette stadium and its application for this event is on file at the office  have she's going back out on another national tour this summer the one nine hundred ninety eighty nine world tour we're asking for friday and saturday july twenty fourth and twenty fifth similar to the one direction show that we had sat before you with a couple of months ago it's five p m start time we're not asking for specific lot time because as with all of our shows will work with public safety officials as the date nears to establish a time that works for everybody we are going to operate a pick  drop off will cation in south retail similar to one direction and also that the same protocol that we used for taylor swift in previous years her ticket prices range from the sixty five dollars rate up to two hundred fifty for the vast majority of the stadium is all reserved there is a small ga section i'm a little less than two thousand capacity at the very front of the stage on the war and everything else is reserved seating we do anticipate a full stadium show both nights so close to fifty five thousand in attendance it hasn't been set yet she hasn't gone on any dates yet though she will have had over a dozen by the time she gets to us we do it with spector to have a pretty extensive production set up and anybody who have been to her shows at the c m before know that she really sort of rolls into town with almost more of a broadway show than me and then the standard concert so we definitely will have a full load in schedule we will anticipate the use of pyrotechnics  t we're looking at another production sort of on the scope and scale of what we've seen from her in the past so we are using dolly like we do for all of our concert production he's produced her two shows thirty two separate and and so she had with us two previous years so we we've got a very good with starting our arms around her as an artist and sort of the demographic that she brings in the level of production that she brings to the stadium as well so our birth but looking forward to it it's been interesting to sort of watch her her career t for all of us and the shows are sold out which is another good thing for the comic foxborough we anticipate that this crowd will be a little older than the crowd of last year although they really don't see it to be an issue we as we stated in the minutes it's twenty's thirty's and mostly women love but we'll see how that plays out but the public safety be it the two chiefs and  didn't seem to think that that would be an issue and the stadium will accommodate the the whole court applied he said of as they have in the past and there is also going to be some work done i guess on what the beach streets where there's going to be signs being put up for no part in total zone or standing because i guess we're having some issues there with people needing rides or wanting to have rides and we've just got to keep the people moving around and then we as always will be on hand as a lot of members of the stadium advisory committee to  barrier which is a special type of barrier that allows for crowd surges without ever having any issues without crushing it gives you a certain accent so there isn't anything in that space other than just terra plast field  only because that's where all of the field level seats are it sort of helps keep the crowd flow smooth down in that plaza space so i know right now it hasn't been confirmed but in the past when we typically have a field seating area that has a ga component fine schedule as part of that warrant out of which was passed by town meeting the why not go went to the attorney general's office once it went through town meeting and it was returned back to the town saying that we could not john wanted us to delete that from the warrant the schedule the find schedule because we couldn't find anyone over three hundred dollars or something like that because there was right there was a specific reason why it was it was rejected by the attorney general however i think we had a bill had presented it in a in his town manager's report we also got an e mail explaining it and i thought when when bill  had explained it to us as an astronomy town manager report we had discussed that well if it didn't go through so it's not the regulation but we would still like to see that schedule apply to applications for events  meaning all events so i was under the impression that it was going to be part of the application from then on and i was surprised i read it three times i was surprised there was no mention of  my question so my question is to bill to all of us can this be applied right now as a condition of the license this in going forward are do we regulations and then come back and prove this with the schedule attached you know the language when i talk to because i i had to prepare the language for the motion but that brings up another issue we have already proved some concerts for two thousand and fifteen not realising that that wiring article wasn't wasn't it yeah so now my quit it is the ones we have already approved can we amend those licenses to follow the regulations because at the time we approve the licenses we thought that that over time fine schedule and if you've gone up if you're going to impose a condition of a fine schedule on one wants as it should it should apply to all of them knowing at the time we prove them we thought that the fine schedule was in place leave yet and i i'm not trying to start the year you know your application or anything but i just think i think if we're going to do a form we have to go for the other end and you know we have taken into i think you can go back and say well we're changing it so now because it could be any any issue because i don't think you have been at the time we've been we were under the impression that we had we had a ton of meeting approved yet but i think the mist that mistake was on our end so that was the reason why it couldn't be because the statute limits the amount of penalty but but for the licensing we condition that's that's a different story i mean we did apply those conditions to a concert last year that's correct right  and also when this was brought up in your town me at town manager's report i remember saying well can we just make these as a pat of the conditions for the next event and that's why i read this three times looking are looking for that that condition from you know from here that was something that if there was something that we missed and that's just my dad and i but i think if the time i don't think we in pending approval in implementation of the board of selectmen it's over time find schedule for stadium regulations shall be made a condition of this license i had nothing all those in favor right that first of all the stadium had agreed to all the language prior to being presented to the tell me and the second point is that the end time concert is determined by the stadium advisory committee is part of the observation that we do there's always someone there at either at the foot of the stage or down in the involved of the at marshall through so we can just run through the list yes he said the first item is revised general bylaws article one section two paragraph three publishing of the town warrant john providing us with information now for the right about that warrant article do we need to have steve in contact with your office yes ok i think really want randy's working with  purposes yeah i was assigned to look into the additional license liquor license worn out of goals and i just have a report on it and just like to read it i met with the planning vote on january eighth and asked to use the services of town planner sharon watson to develop a warrant an article for additional liquor licenses questions discussed when sharon and i met on the ninth where the purpose of the additional licenses how many how to be sited restricted to areas in general and all both if restricted where and how to determine the siting areas and any pending developments which would benefit from new licenses in particular what is the implication of the failed bill bid process in regard to the off i was in the form of keating property why no bids when i saw it sharon on the fifteenth she gave me a copy of an email request to ryan at the d p w for a map of the town using the mass g i s info on the price of the priority development areas of the south coast rail and the siting of all of this thing liquor licenses in order to get a spatial distribution of licenses throw town now there was this would be a map and you would have like pinpoints where all the licenses are around town this would take time to create and then study and interpret the planning board is in its third phase the master plan development and has been conducting weekly polls this week's polls questions were and you've got to look to licenses the results have not yet been disclosed i've spoken to represent of barrow's in regard to the language of the bill to be filed the commonwealth is looking closer at these requests in imposing restrictions not done in previous she is the commonwealth was looking for more details in the requests the water sewer department has yet to sell floor entertain requests for floor for any restaurants to date and the old fire house a cornerstone of our downtown revitalization plan did not receive any bids the due date for the warren and go submission for the annual town meeting is feb thirteenth well it would be helpful to be proactive to be ready for commercial development requesting liquor licenses there are many issues to be worked out in order to prepare w of which the townspeople can feel comfortable in supporting and i think that's very important but the february thirteenth date looming is my opinion that such an article cannot be prepared for the may town meeting i would suggest to the boys like me and that and they will i talk to one of the playing board members today and they will be having an up coming and i'm not quite sure the date meeting at like an open house to discuss liquor licenses so that i think is where we would be getting a lot of input and we would have more information regard to the master plan so i think there's a lot of issues that still have to be worked out i also think we have to but the establishment is now  thirteenth and i'm wondering if it's it's more of a spring or it's a robust warrant article process and may burst the fall but i don't think i'd want to for it i mean the whole idea of going to with the reason we talked about the warrant for like a license was to be able to say you know once the sewer comes in and they everything really starts to roll and we want to be proactive and say you know what here's an incentive to come to mansfield we have we have something if you need if you are a restaurant we have a liquor license is available however i think it's important to find out where they should be right right now we have a list of forty three establishments but really you want to see it on a map to see exactly where it where they are in where the need is and where the future development might be so that's why i don't think i'd want to have to this it's next spring i think is the mid three no's  the center down by fox plaza i don't think we're going to be bringing in new here is for liquor licenses right but i don't think we should wait for another year i think i'd rather do this in the in the fall your point of view is there's  well one of the one of the things that if you look at the legislation that would that was passed the last paragraph said that if the license isn't issued with the seven years ago as a way and i asked they have i think they did eight or ten licenses and like six out of eight are specific to different areas into or general i want to ask regarding the fact that we didn't receive any beds for the r p requests could your office reach out and ask the people who did actually pick up requests you know the  packages what went into their decision to not respond so that we could figure out you know take that into consideration as we go forward with some general comments but perhaps no more specificity  garner some support for changing can you get a commitment from roger about when sewer would be available for that because i think that would be we wouldn't want to auction it until they've got a pipe there i would think i think that's i think that would make a huge difference the commissioners have been talking about it recently so before i think the people that i spoke to a day that i think was the understanding that there was going to be license that is designated to the chestnut green area that's never been used it's been out there since two thousand and seven and is it possible what would be so that yeah i could support with that the reason that the reason that i would ask for this general to be delayed is i think when we presented i want that i want the very comfortable with that i want i want us to be able to answer all the questions and i just and and maybe it might be when we do all this investigation further investigation you know what will come up with a number of we may look to can i get consensus from the board that we can ask jenny to pursue that and then also just if someone could reach out as you're doing that to the planning board because when they did the met the chestnut green state hospital there was a vision and maybe they were off by want to maybe they have an idea of what could come so rather than us trying to grab it i think that's the first step is as the planning board where it came from and i was there you know also the planning board is really the first board in town we'll have general language but i don't think we'll have an actual specific you know which pieces we're going to attack at that point we have some general ideas i think i'll be tight ok but i don't think it's a jim yeah that is interesting i was at a planning board meeting and they talked about the open space in the thought process was to get the boards together the select the recreation own real estate rental units the planning board just kind of put our arms around the open space what do we have what do we want to do with it how can we work a little bit better together  so i don't know what's going to be ready for a town meeting coming up but i go back to the planning board and see what schedules they have i'm not i'm not sure what you know the details but i think that's going to be an exciting one so in terms of having a warrant article ready for the thirteenth maybe the better person ask you sharon when she's coming up you know that one off she's going to be just speaking a few minutes  the sign by law digital billboards i had a meeting with the billboard advisory committee and we discussed the idea of moving forward  to bring forward a proposal to add digital billboards to sign by law and in our discussion we recognize we hadn't received a decision yet from the a g s office as to whether or not they've approved our initial buyout signed by law and  the most recent sampling of you know responses actually to the weekly questions that were out there the response was statistically very low so based on a very low number it looked like perhaps there would be a favorable attitude towards electronic billboards but it really wasn't statistically significant so the committee decided that we wanted to take another crack at getting a larger number of responses so that we can get a better sense of what the real feel for digital billboards going forward is and so given that given that we haven't heard a decision yet we're also recommending that we remove this and move it to the fall and that will give the committee more time to work and get the information that we need for if the board still wants to go forward we will have a policy for you very soon it's and final draft form this bylaws been in place since like eighteen hundreds and we took a look at other surrounding surrounding communities in the way that they were there constable policies we're looking at one of the big questions we have is whether this new policy is embedded into the new bylaw or do we just have an opening statement that refers to the policy so we're just working around some of the policy looks very very good based on our research we're ready to present it to you looking at finalizing whether they should be three year terms one year terms working on the application all of communities are we've learned that in our current constable policy there's this reporting to the town clerk on a quarterly basis that's not being done so we're just really looking at the this being a little more now the next three items are planning court items sharon do you want to come up for a second and speak to  half acre minimum lot size and a number of other very prescriptive requirements the planning board is interested in making it the political to smaller parcels and towards making it more flexible we got a lot of input from randall errant who's a world renowned expert who reviewed our bylaw and we've talked to randy other town officials other town boards have a lot of good information we will have a final draft approved by the board on thursday night and we anticipate that you will have it on or before the thirteenth you think you are item number eight on our list required i asked for applications other than site plan we decided not to do that one it's going to require more thought however we have had a written request from a sub divider to accept  road and it appears that it is complete and would be acceptable so we are going as up to using that one instead of road acceptance yeah right acceptance macnamara way it's down off of north high street behind the country club the chart and as i understood it from our consultant it's the same as the underlying zoning district which means that you need fifteen thousand for residential plus twenty four thousand for commercial and we had an interne bill loudly to hire an intern to go around the downtown and count housing units and we're going to come up with something as a minimum lot size for mix will resolve that on thursday evening as well the next one is a men flood byelaws to include new map references the state did the modeling for the taunton river basin and three of our map panels  in taunton river the canoe river so we just need to change that reference that is written and i can get that to mary beth tomorrow if you like or just her save it with the others just to point so those are for articles ok space the same as number five i believe it is ok actual just be clear about this the forty b processes is a jurisdictional issue strictly for the one of the peoples so this is not a public hearing this is not a it's an opportunity for of reformation for the board to hear of what the process is about and then what'll happen is that the the formal process for for the right one of the for the special part of a forty b process is actually suited to the toilet and is handled by the board of appeals and is heard in the project in a very general way and the financing and the result is that this date agency in this case mass housing determines whether the project would be fundable if it submitted to the zoning board of appeals and proceeded along much the same path as they've indicated in their application on deep when we just start with that item right off the twenty or so just also to be clear i was present at the advisory committee last week and there was a brief discussion on this topic and i had talked to some of the neighbors that evening and have said that i would ask if the planning board you know and sharing could be present this evening to give us some background on forty bees  also i did say that i would permit discussion you know from some of the residents i just asked the residents if you are going to make a comment to if you hear one of your neighbors has already stated your position if you could please just bring forward new comments as you come to the microphone i did a kind of quick powerpoint presentation just so i had some notes to share with you and i'll put this on the planning board website and again i'm not an attorney this is my experience as a planner dealing with forty b s of the number of communities in my experience as a planning board member in a community dealing with forty b s back when bill and i were in planning school there were a number of court cases the most famous or infamous was the mount laurel case where it was the supreme court of the united states held that all communities had a responsibility to provide housing for all people in massachusetts there's a presumption that if you have ten percent of your housing available for low and moderate income people you've met your fair share of that responsibility for low and moderate income housing so foxborough currently stands at eight point nine percent and the number is calculated based on the eligible units divided by the permanent dwelling units the last federal census so at this point we're at eight point nine and if we did nothing by twenty twenty we will have dropped because there's thirty to forty houses built every year in rental projects the lodge  the units count there's a need for rental housing for market rate people as well as affordable and the tax and the state wants to incentivize rental housing in purchase projects projects where you buy a unit only the affordable units count like wyman village the town will only get credit for five units we do have a housing production plan in the board of selectmen was very influential in helping us prepare that and adopt it we would have to in the town build thirty four units of affordable housing to get the protection as though we were ten percent as a result of a housing production plan the fifth slide is the meat of forty be it overrides local regulations and i took this directly from the the regulations local requirements and regulations means all local legislative regulatory or other action which are more restrictive than state requirements of any including local zoning and what when ordinances are bylaws subdivision aboard a health rules and other local ordinances bylaws kolo codes and regulations in each case which are in effect on the date of the project's application to the board and as bill said we're kind of at the start of the domain's application they have sought a determination of project eligibility and again the state is looking at the site in a general fact the surrounding neighborhood the character of the neighborhood the finances in a general way in the design in a general way there's a requirement that the state agency personnel have to come out and visit the site we had a lovely time waiting on thursday morning while the poor folks from the state were behind the barriers of the in east milton but they finally showed up  as bill said there's a thirty day comment period they submitted to the state on the twelfth i believe they submitted to the town on the twenty third so if you have any comments specific to the site and you wish to make them you should do that sooner rather than later and can that be done on line yes there's greg watson's e mail is on the d h the on the mass housing website and i can get that bill  a lot of the details with regard to the project and the specifics of it as bill said will come out once it's in its own board hearing and that's when we get the real details so the developer starts the project by submitting the zoning board application the project eligibility letter they will see from the state agency and a list of the waivers the zoning board has to open the hearing within thirty days they have one hundred eighty days in order to hear the application that can be extended once they close the public hearing and vote there's forty days that they have to render a decision they can they must make the decision based on consistency with local needs of public safety they can approve an application approved with conditions deny and they can only does deny if the zoning board finds there are no conditions that will add a click adequately addressed local concerns the applicant can appeal if they believe that the denial bay appeal a denial or appeal if they believe the conditions render the project economic to the housing appeals committee and communities have a very poor record before the housing appeals committee the domain is proposing three hundred twenty eight units it fits approved at two hundred forty eight foxborough would go from eight point nine to twelve point something percent affordable once we reached the ten percent it doesn't mean that we've turned the faucet off it just means that comprehensive permit applications are different the town has to be a partner to subsequent applications the the once we're at ten percent a comprehensive permit application begins with you as a co applicant for the project and so at that point if you concerns about the number of the neighborhood and everything else you much more authority to say it's too big it's the wrong place or whatever but at this point where it eight point nine the application will be what the application is the zoning board will go through a very long and involved process and a lot of due diligence on their part and listen very carefully to the neighbors these types of types of the elements in the past and oh oh i think we both agree that in the greatest sense of us of local success or are if you will control of a process history the c v a process committee extent that we can control the process here so that we don't it doesn't get bumped to the state level means that we have the greatest say as to what how we can shape the development right to get how many of what size you know exactly or to pull we'll make sure that people who live and work in the town have first dibs in the lottery for the affordable units to the extent that we can change things housing appeals committee house housing appeals board in boston will likely rule that will not rule in your favor so if we have to take it very seriously you have to evaluate it very seriously and you have to make sure that there that that every piece of information presented is his or his and information that's that can help the process along but it's very important and i think we both experience in this than in helping to negotiate parts that turn out to be very successful products both for the neighborhood as well as the community so i think that's the that's the message here is that i think i know that the folks here all have a lot of concerns about this and we share those concerns as well but we also want to be realistic about it and i think that the concern is that if  is available to a household earning eighty percent of median income foxborough is in the boston metropolitan area and for a family of four that's about eighty six thousand dollars so it's not the poorest of the poor people you know god god forbid anything happens to my husband and i'm on that list and so are a lot of other town employees so it's based on  boston metropolitan area if it were wester it would be a lower number but but based on that eighty six thousand dollars per household it's only that but it's some formula that there would come up with a rent imagine yes and the rents are typically in the i haven't looked the most recent schedule but typically depending on the number of bedrooms eleven hundred twelve hundred to fourteen hundred pending on the number of bedrooms  that's that's the definition of affordable housing right and there's a schedule you can go on the state web site i'll be glad to e mail it to all of you so you can see what the income limits are and what the rents are yeah i agree there's owning board is probably the ninety five percent of the the legwork in the town to review it mass housing does have a decent website and if but this like men do have a role in it so if you don't mind i just read a paragraph which kind of defines what we need to do so before before submitting written comments on the community's behalf the selectmen should consider soliciting comments from the relevant local board staff in the public this is the one opportunity where the town's elected leaders play a formal role in the comprehensive permit process all subsequent decisions relating to the permit application are within the sole purview of the sharon that said if the community's comments are detailed factual and focused they are more likely to affect the subsidising agencies agencies decisions on whether and under what conditions to issue a permit to be effective the chief elected officials comments should be limited to legitimate mean a simple planning and public health and safety concerns examples of constructive comments may include the relationship between the proposed forty developments in the local affordable housing plans existing infrastructure such as roads water and sewer the environment such as traffic storm water management or ground water quality or suggestions on how th proposed site or building designs may be modified to better fit into the surrounding neighborhood it is not effective for communities to make comments that go beyond the scope of the local review authority under forty b for example commenting that a forty b project is opposed by neighbors or would result in increased municipal service costs none of these are valid legal reasons to condition or deny comprehensive perman application therefore the comments will have no effect on the state's agency decisions issue the proper eligibility eligibility letter so i think this role that they're talking about is within that thirty day period where we reach out to the neighbors we reach out to the boards we get our collective thoughts it's not just putting something on a website i think we need to draft a letter that says this is our understanding of the issues as we see it at this early point without having full design plans and traffic studies and all that the state takes that and then they they take that under advisement in consideration when they're doing their eligible eligibility eligibility letter so basically thirty days from that one it was a minute to do all of this and if it came in on december twenty third when your third eye means we've got three more days to do it so i think it's i think we need to ask for an extension of that time so we can you know that and fairness it came in right before christmas right before new year's and then this is an important community the planning board the z b a has am currently working on forty b projects right the some in the books right now and i don't know if we've ever had a public hearing on it but i think that's a discussion for this board of how do we get relevant comments from the planning board and zoning board and again it's not detailed drawings we need but just big picture flying at a thirty thousand you know looking down how do we get our thoughts together without you know obviously we can't talk off line it has to be at this table i don't know how we've done in the south just respectfully that i don't think it's i don't think you should ask the zoning board for comments because they're going to be reviewing it on their own keisha's yeah so i think with the states looking at this point is here's a piece of property to looking at the financials because it has to you know the certain profit margin is all that stuff but is this a piece of property that meets the requirements that very high level and the land is currently zoned residential is on public roads there is public water available that is close to public sewer but just to do a traffic study at the  i'm grasping our it's already there standing jenny and i from the meeting on thursday that the traffic is study is well underway and mr jerk everyone's favorite traffic engineer is working diligently on it to last for four weeks and see what they  soliciting information from other boards  how is that worked in the past you know why we could make photocopies of pertinent parts of the site eligibility application and circulated to the boards and ask them for comments  has to do with the site not the impacts on the community  that's been a question that was posed to me the question of how if you look at the five to be legislation there is no nothing in the file to be legislation says that if the sewer is available if it has it's item it's like a basic service and then i was told that that i gave a basic service not based on the five to be legislation but as a as a as case law there's a number of cases right so could you explain the difference between what's in the file the below wanted list and one is if you go back to the first assume that by overriding local regulations and i understand that there was language put on the map but specifically the case law is the number of cases most personally having to do with norwest woods development up on the hand street on the norwood west would line clark versus the town and nor would they try to deny a sewer connection to prevent a very forty b from going in and that they had capacity and they they were not allowed to deny connection only because it was portable owsley so that in a and if i were asked as a planner that would be my response that forty b overrides local regulation and that there's massachusetts case law that sewer connections cannot be denied only because the project is affordable housing public comments because it's it's going to i think this is their later os as that's not going to it's just they're very clear about it in their regulations we just can't do that but but it's good to get clarification of you know us right so any other comments from the board sure sure i just want to make sure that we're also on the phone with our discussion for no right sure if you want to come up to the microphone and state your name and address just have the housing units to make up to ten percent for the growth of the applicant has proposed to forty eight and whether those owning board it whether one of the conditions of the zoning board is to reduce that number based on good public safety and health reasons and not because we only need seventy any critique against the applicant the fact that they have a lot flipped in term properties in the past the same developer stan hanover group the same group that did the lodge and it's my understanding that  they're well respective in massachusetts can we submit some articles on some of their half activities how they have gotten the licensing and gotten a for forty b clearance and within five they've sold the property and the promenade to another developer at a very large pop profit over twenty percent of what their proposed or their legal markup is and then that property turned a couple more times and none of it came back to the town again this is a site eligibility letter was what article was i mean this is the type thing i think what chairman what you're saying is that this information certainly the about hers and the neighbors can make comment again i'll make sure they have the name and address of the person to send the letter to you call the contribute them individually i think we should take the comments the input will also be working with the other boards and i think part of it is understanding that what our focus will be on is the site in it's own issues such as what you've just raised would not be in our i think we were patient we'd have to filter out what we have elevated but under our letterhead what we think is relevant so  environmental watershed issue is huge it's just really huge there's a lot of environmental land conservation land that would be affected by the construction on the site because  elevation of it runs down and that's what we will go to the conservation commission in have more of their input on that definitely question regard to what mrs hewitt said i mean if they have applied for two safety reasons ok would so then that would still that application would would still be valid they wouldn't have to come back again for to submit the plan with say two hundred thirty five units no no no no that would be accommodation stating that  and you mentioned earlier about the fact that they went ahead and passed the forty b when they had a qualified capacity wise sewage plant our current sewage plan has not have to pass any if they were connection so do they consider that if you don't already have capacity you know i'm not an expert on the town sewer system i apologize you might say there is capacity of the system right now  us so again we'll get that input from our sewer commissioners years thank you think you definitely i think better of m the project of this magnitude was a was certainly a surprise reading in the paper kind of classifying the project as a silver lining project all the neighbors who were going to be directly impacted so we felt we were on the outside looking in and we're hearing about it after the fact so i just in future for something like this if you're aware of it it would be nice to kind of try to get a little more residential activity involved instead of you know having the find out about it in the paper i'm speaking for myself up here but i think it's unfair to characterize that word here is a no i think he said it a couple of times we're not here to say no to the project we're just concerned with the density and the magnitude of this project there's five four story buildings that are proposed for this eighteen acre lot take a walk take a ride by the meditate building on route one forty across from right here nine that's and multiply that by five that's what people are going to be looking at and seeing there's over a thousand parking spots so that is the concern so i don't know i know that you would said not to speak too much about the project because e b a s going to review it but that's where the people here they're not here to say no they're here to get educated about the process and just i don't think that that was you know doesn't characterize why we're here if not for the sheer magnitude and density of that in traffic i don't think there'd be this major outcry i think it's this society as i said and we really feel that sort of the catalyst for this that if they didn't have these sore flow that is still a question of whether that's available or not available because we're hearing three different stories  they couldn't build something of this magnitude so i think that that whole issue of the sower program needs to be figured out because there's been talk about the forty b exception talk about case law this talk about president this talk about the for dialogue but that was a totally different scenario i was on the board of water and so at the time that was a private flow issue that's not even related to this project so i think that is beholding on the board in the town to peel the layers off this so a program at least give the information to the residents in town who want over amber of twenty thirteen voted for a sewer district which can only be modified town meeting that was the understanding that everyone had and then we found out afterwards that there was some exception for a forty b that wasn't discussed in the car it wasn't discussed in public meetings actually the chairman of the board of water and s said we missed it that was a quote of the advisory meeting and i just think that that's really why we're here we just feel that the scale of the density of this project with the catalyst of sore is just going to be overwhelming for the science related neighborhood and i just wanted to say at the end with the scale that it's wrong for all the right reasons and i think that it's going to be up to dizzee v a and the board to kind of sort through those issues and come to something that's amenable to the neighborhood and anyone else would like to be h i would like to say just take of the one point that the neighborhood some members like phil have been at this for a long time and have worked with jack loughlin and now his daughter and others who have wanted to develop this this parcel and we are open that we attended many many many planning board meetings and have been very open to the process and knew eventually it would be developed our concern is about the density we're about sixty homes were very isolated neighborhood and we want to be sure that we're heard you know i felt a little hopeful in your discussion of the timeline in the constraints we heard about this december twenty third and here we are sixty homes up there you know trying to scramble and pull together and come up with our rebuttal and all our concerns so it's nice to hear you wrestling with the you know with timelines and things like that because that's where we are and we just want to be sure that somewhere in this process that we're aware of that that we have you know a voice in this process  but you know you're our elected officials we want to be sure that you're addressing the density four stories we're two story homes were raised ranch is you know a four story complex is just going to overwhelm us the traffic and other things are just nightmares to be considered so we appreciate the opportunity to get to participate get our concerns out i do have copies of the article that was referenced i'll leave them here for your consideration i am a social worker my job is to place homeless people in housing so affordable housing is a very very important issue for me so you know good to hear that forty you know rents are affordable to me is ridiculous but you know i'm not against affordable housing none of us are what we want is to be heard we want the regulations to be followed to be sure that just wanted to like go on record now rode that terrible intersection i'd like to have you know on record there's got to be numerous accidents at that intersection  already and now you're going to add two hundred and forty something additional homes or units to that we have no sidewalks where our school bus going to go and that intersection which certainly have to be redone and one other kind of question is we seem to be i'm all the galaxies of what the forty b rights are and what our rights as a town are and the exact wording like how can we you know there's some issues about water and sewer and what exactly is it we need to find the right answer and that might take a lawyer and is that something we have to pay for as the town residence or is  the fire to be with working with so maybe what we could do is ask for their report i mean if the work has already been done towns already paid for so we could you know invest and look into that that would be helpful because we definitely there's three different versions i rightly said that's going around we obviously need a legal person to tell us what is the correct version and what are we dealing with right now because we wanted one provide the answers to everyone's questions and that's why i think you could tell right so far i haven't found a definitive my name is ari weinstein i live one ten south high street i'd like to sort of touch on something that was mentioned earlier first of all thank you all for having us tonight i would say that one of the great concerns for folks in the neighborhood and phil mentioned this but i'd like to really reiterate this is the feeling that we've been left out of this process altogether feeling that not only have we maybe been abandoned by elected or appointed town officials but there are perhaps  very that are very much in favor of this as a planet as it is neighbors have had conversations with people who've said why are you even bothering it's a done deal tell manager says the silver lining is that we don't have to deal with this until twenty twenty forty that doesn't sound to me like our elected and appointed officials have the members of the community already here as the bind in mind rather so much as development seems quite clear to me that this development would not be possible without the forty attachment to it and it seems to me that plan all along has been to drop the forty beyond it because the town would probably reject it as is without that attachment so i hope you will consider the concerns of the neighbors i hope you will consider the fears that people have had the fact that this was dropped on us on christmas eve christmas as phil mentioned was quite a kick to the stomach fact that several meetings have occurred with people on town boards and the developer and no neighbors have been invited to any of these things is of great concern representative barrows who came to a neighborhood meeting so that he's never seen anything of this size proposed and he also said that he first heard about this two years ago when the water and sewer commissioner and the department of public works director say that they missed it the state representative says he knew something about this two years ago i have to question just how valid we missed this thank you thank you back i think it was less than a year ago the town had agreed to spend a lot of additional money to join with mansfield and all of that the sew treatment facility was the waste water was targeted for downtown and it seems to me that as soon as we've we approved all that additional sewer capacity that plot of land instantly became a lot more valuable and it was done to see fully in my opinion you know this this wasn't what the town had voted for it's not what we had planned for but this developer extra sewer capacity now and has swallowed up thirty eight thousand gallons a day i think is what i heard in any case you imagine the volume of two hundred forty residential units and my question is how much of that is being taken away from our businesses that we had thought that that was going to i'm very surprised to hear that we have sewer capacity where residences are not able to hook into the sewer unless they have some kind of emergency situation and now we're talking about two hundred forty just kind of let them on like oh well it's gone it doesn't seem to be getting the kind of  reaction that i would like that it would get from from our town officials so that's that's all i wanted to say thanks but you can't planning board and all kinds of great relations because it shouldn't be like he will come in and get the forty be a pool and flipper going gone as you can see from that article but let me cut down those facing lot of issues it's actually dated it's been like seven years since they for the community is it good for the town and then go by that so that's all i want to see thank you because there's been thirty days to do all this not really because of the holidays and all that is to get what is the reaction if the state says no the city is already here that they would it would look likely you are absolutely likely extension i can't speak to that i mean but i mean but as far as asking for some extension i do believe in what happens if that extensive i guess but the question is what i was of all the information doesn't get to them or we don't get all the information we need in that time frame does does this import stop in the next level zoning board of bills comes in and the rest i guess what happens if the message deadline all it means is that the state will proceed with its process to actually determine where the appeals for which it at that time will be allowed for public input in public hearings right and that's the time to negotiate you know traffic mitigation sidewalks public safety that's the time the bus there's any anything related to the site that would give us a reason to petition the state to deny the applica they've when they finally got here that the developer had made a presentation to the people who were there and then when mass housing came the question about we we went over with them what had been discussed earlier and no traffic for technical reviews and we'll have that traffic study reviewed by another traffic engineer to make sure that it's done correctly and the assumptions are correct and data is right and it reflects the most recent around the trees in the area and they we asked them about that what what what the root why the ribbons were there and what they have done is they had they surveyed the trees to find out which ones will say which ones are bad have to be taken down this this would be this would be good if we if we get get rid of the trees around it it will grow would be a better buffer so just because a tree is teg does not mean that that trees coming down because there are a lot of trees which so it just means for different reasons you kiss a code on the on the ribbon that says what why so when you go by they see there are a lot of take that doesn't mean all those trees are come in coming down and that was a valid question that you can come back up to the microphone john mcdonald for robert st two weeks from now they'll be a presentation by hand over about the project well they'll be an opportunity for residents to question during that time or is that just going to be a presentation by the developer board all the boards conservation everybody that was supposed to put their import in to the state before they make their decision on approving the application delivery for every every border so was everybody else ready to put their paper as everybody else get an extension as to be certified in order to do that you have to be certified right ok but were approved it's online if you want to read it so do we need to be certified to have the boards have more leeway in being able to say this is our pretty housing production plan this is our economical development plan this is being certified kind of put you in the category of over ten percent that means it has to be a friendly forty patients but can you be certified if you're under the ten percent working right what the time my son right which is where we're at at a point nine right but we did not produce thirty four units of affordable housing last year it's so you have to have a certain percentage every year one half of one percent ok so i've been in front of towns where the selectmen are just silent they don't answer i did one hundred times and they asked us could we do more you know it was a great location and they wanted most each town is different and each project is different some people you know when we didn't hudson was behind a wal mart and they absolute the town loved it another one got thrown out right away because it was surrounded by wetlands only had one access so the forty b is a big umbrella type to try to get to the ten percent of the state it this big and sometimes when we reach out and we interfere in the it comes back to bite the town because there's a biased at the beginning so if you're hearing us a little quiet at least in my experience it's because all i'm looking at right now with the emotions aside because i know a lot of you guys out there and i probably have a lot to say on the site plan but what i'm looking at here is what's the public safety issues you know is it a piece of property that we have to say right off the bat hey state this isn't going to fly because this is storage issues or they've tried this for ten years and it's failed so that's kind of where we're at right now and it's not because we're not doing our job it's just because the z b a has that purview by state statute recently extended yeah i want to explain every kid asked me a couple weeks ago and well my advice was when i'm presenting these the best people and presented to other crazy people that yell and say we don't want to force well people if you if you understand the process and this is part of it and you have very valid concerns you know buffers screening and stuff the developer it's in their best interest to work with you if you're out there to say we're going to kill it because of x y and z and it and observe also share and also is there a planning board aspect to review does this work the planning board there are frequently waivers from the subdivision rules and regs and the planning board goes to great effort excuse me to evaluate those waivers are they within public safety guidelines is eight percent too steep is the call the sac too small and we spend a of time going through those is the expert if you will on that subject and will those be public hearings also they will be public meetings and discussed it an open public meeting on the planning board to be clear about that there is a supply in that respect in the sense that you do gain a lot more control over the process once you meet that ten percent requirement so the price of this product pushes is over that does put us back in more control for future consideration i understand there's a lot of emotion so about this particular process because this is the happen to be the one that pushed it to the time to say but i would be clear about what my card my contact comment was made and what was intended to be was strictly to to make make sure we gain full control of the process going forward and so i understand that just like again a lot of concern over this talk privately and i want to be clear about the fact that we are looking at every aspect of the make sure it is done properly it would you know i have any impact because i mean it's a similar building similar site in mind a similar plan they're proposing a four story building four story buildings which isn't present in the star right correct i wouldn't know if it's for residential take a look at the if you take a look at the consideration is a consideration at least that's what it would pose all right there's my question if you look on the town website or email addresses are there if you could just email to me would be great thanks very think you so much for your input appreciated i'm sorry sharon bill and i have talked about this and my basic position when i brought this up with bill was the discussions were between the craft organization and bta and i felt there were a number of issues that the town was having to do with access from the neighborhood to the train station if i lived on nor street and could see it then the only way i could get there was to walk practically to walpole and then half way to re them to get to the station i'd be very frustrated we certainly don't want people walking on the tracks and i understand they'll be offense and i wanted to know more details about the layover yard would there be the whatever the is going to drop off safely for people of the handicapped parking is a very long distance from the station the station is deliberately located where it is so there's enough stacking for the football train patrons they all get over and under and be ready to get on the train you know could there be closer parking for handicapped folks and those stations are too short for the proposed three  train cars and when and if are the stations going to be upgraded what's that time frame i think a lot of these answers are in the attachment to the agreement which i haven't seen and still hasn't seen them either so i'd like to talk to them before we kind of ratchet our response up and just see so these are concerns that the town has one of the master planned questions of the week and referenced in terms of the billboards was commuter rail and people were strongly supportive of it i know i live in the neighborhood i live in and walked because i have a train around the corner i made that deliberate decision and my perception is my quality of life is better because i can get on the train and be downtown in thirty eight minutes for you know a fifth the cost of what it would cost me to park for an hour so that's my prejudice and i'll be roll up front with you that that's my prejudice and i'm i'm a bit of a transit fanatic if you haven't figured that out by now but you know people in town on the unscientific not statistically significant masterplan question of the week about two thirds of them like the idea they felt there was an opportunity we just want to make sure that that a positive opportunity for the town make it into a win win so i'd like to have bill and i talk to them and flesh out these questions and then report back to you not on the third which is my anniversary but i think it's also what we want to get some more feedback from the borders through all the other slush issues that you may have or issues that we need to get addressed at this point how we proceed from two directions and i know we talked about having special counsel work with my initial thought was  abandoned is it you know c s x is down there very infrequently and then an e m f is construction of an new rail or rapid transit line for transportation of passengers are great and there is a provision under probably knows this much better than i do where you can see failsafe review says in so many words we tried our best to anticipate every circumstance that you'd need to file an environmental impact report but if a town or a butters or someone who has standing believes we missed something you can ask first bale safe review and say you know guys this is right on top of the neponset river and you really should look at this teeny bit more carefully than not and i think let's talk to them first but i wouldn't go for special counsel just yet is that your sense bill well i guess but i think one of the concerns i had was that we're middle of selecting the council at this point i mean that was another issue too but one of the the council that we're looking at is actually one of the candidates for consideration right now we could conceivably and i go with what i think the question i need to scope out is what is it that we want one and a trial for i think that's that's really important to me so i so i know how it's how we frame the questions but i think one of the questions is the the process and the lack of transparency it was like oh by the way you get in the station without any input if i lived on north street i would be very upset especially with the idea of having know maybe a month ago two months ago whether really that may have been made to make it made a difference in his decision what to do in his house right next to the house yet then when you go when you've got no street right now you can see it i mean in the summer you can see it but you can see that that's not fair to the to the people or not st they had absolutely no input neither did the whole town it was just a studies we had no impact the assessments based on population but body doesn't make any difference he's saying no when he doesn't really know the answer because he didn't do the assessment that's that's my concern we have gotten answers and how do we know that the answer is a correct or not i got the impression they would just tell us what we want to hear and that's not a good way of conducting business so if i understand what you're saying to me if i may feel you're  are you would like someone who's knowledgeable to look at mr moeller sweaters and give them the smell test if you will you know take a look at the process as it unfolded process where projects like an extra lane on one twenty or improving the ninety five one twenty eight interchange or you know bus service in wellesley to connect with the a b i metro west regional transit authority all the transportation and transit projects go through a process and they're all of value weighted and then they're put in a capital plan just like we do the r c ip the c h p here in town and then we know that is four years from now a project that's going to upgrade some station or the signals on some line is up for grabs you know is up for implementation it evening went on and we started asking questions and the way that everything was different it was totally different so how can you know and that was what was mostly did and if we hadn't asked those questions good or bad for the m t a financial those things are silent and but a lot of those dialogues happen during a process so when we ask the questions which were good that they responded but line item number one was you know no required yeah so we're sitting here saying you know yeah we say ok twelve here now how does that affect the c s x line if they're going slow and we get you know so things are affecting each other and and if we just sit back and say you know aside from all the arguments is it is it good or bad for foxborough but what what's the past so i would like to have a consultant a permanent attorney that understands the me that understands railway systems to say this is how they got here and everything's fine are those mistakes made but to go forward this is the state priming this is the m b t a permit permanent and for someone to look at our local by laws because you know for those parking spaces that are going to go towards the end bta that's how does that affect the local zoning and all the proof approvals were not qualified to none of us are qualified to do that but i think it has to be asked and answered by somebody that does know the answers and not just take in the you know the applicants word for just similar to you know the forty b they come in they have their own consultants presented in when we have consultants review it in negotiations or so i don't know whether we agree or disagree with the train coming to town how we would not do that step and also were things that i think is important to look at is transportation alternatives i mean a couple of days after the presentation there was a transportation seminar up at patriot place that i tended bill attended and ciarn you were there and they took place here and they talked about in the in the number but what i got took away from that is the number one thing that people were talking about that it's happening all around the state is shuttles from train stations so that you don't have to put twenty three million dollars into a train station what you have is you can have shuttles from the surrounding train stations  charin in mansfield in and take people from the train station to the places of business if if that's cern of of the business entities getting their people from the train station to their place of work wi this whole lot cheaper with the way to do it you know and that was the number what i was very impressed with with the presentation from from that me and west park and that seems to be the way i thin we have for train stations around the town fox still will come on line when south when and if south most real around we're in the desert everyone around us will have trades and if you're in if you use a chef system to do that you don't need an overnight facility maintenance facility when you know my concern is there's always part two so when it continues straight through to providence and the town has seven crossings and you try and get through the center of town today with c s x going through at three o'clock when the kids are getting out of the planning board is having as part of their master plan process a route one workshop thursday january twenty ninth at the boyden library at seven pm and then guiding marx bros future goals and priorities another planning quick plug for the planning board only because i work on a lot with a lot of planning boards and some of them are just i'll be honest with you they take applications and review it and send it back with the stuff that you guys are doing very helpful to the town and you guys spent a lot time on this with with consultants reaching out and doing real plans doing real planning but you're limited in your planning with the input that you get back so i guess a right now if we if you go through all this time and you have these sessions in nobody from the public shows up but yet they're complaining so you know that all dynamics of you can only do so much but you need that information for people to give input you know these are important things rule one everyone knows what rule one is it's a goldmine or it's a dustbowl you know that and then it's up to the town in the future goals and priorities of the town guy that is a partner to that development i think is important question so so if people are listening or if this is you know going to get some legs people need to come and talk and give you know event give their wishes give their desires or their whatever but it's not going to be from master plan consultant is teamed with the fox brown reporter and there's a question of the week some of them are land use some of them are more general questions like the train liquor licenses people can fill it out on paper at town hall the library the senior center and the office of the fox for reporter they can go online to foxborough spelled out o u g h master plan dot com and do it online and let us know the polls are typically open every week from friday morning through midnight tuesday so you have another two hours or so to tell us what you think about whether liquor licenses should be issued for specific geographic areas or not and they'll be a question next week and we intend to keep doing that we've been getting very good response and some of them have been close to three hundred people have weighed in to tell us one thing about issues we felt that the survey we i did two and a half years ago was very much colored by the casino debate and we wanted to get additional information as some of the same questions again and ask questions when wish we'd asked two and a half years ago so we're delighted with the response we got a lot of suggestions from the public what other questions we should building it was good to see that today we want the last people to have been put into office spaces and they were worth that many significant changes to the overall original plan that we came up with which was great to hear  king information systems had to working on clearing up a lot of the room a lot of the space in the downstairs area where all of log files have been stored and so they're actually consolidating that information and people to apply to look at the posting on our website we also have a human services coordinator position on the console count on aging human services and that person would be dealing with not only managing the transportation program but also our working doing outreach it's a pretty diverse position encompasses for anyone who likes to work with in the human services field it's a nice way to get a good expanse of experience so that one closes on the twenty nine and twenty seven both full time positions both a full time positions thirty five hours and the other details can be seen on our website and  go there it will be their own just want to mention there had been a problem on cook road i believe it is with water and the neighbors mentioned how professional the d p w was in handling the problem and they came in to explain what was going on to them and so i just wanted to pass the compliment along th thousand and sixteen geoffrey jennings term ending december thirty first two thousand and sixteen william dudley term ending december thirty first two thousand and fifteen vicki lowe term ending december thirty first two thousand and fifteen and career or one so somehow between when this got changed from council to now and then deb wasn't around at the time they all got changed to one year terms so i think back in november everyone on the november twenty sixth two thousand and thirteen meeting the board of selectmen appointed the following individuals with an expiration date of twelve thirty one twenty fourteen that's what the town clerk's letter says and then in the b says in addition the board of selectmen show make any appointment necessary to fill the unexpired term of a vacated position any member may be reappointed after one term has elapsed since the expiration of their most recent term so that's why the one year people according to this could not be reappointed isn't the language sometimes when you stand a committee that you know you have related private educational or social institution who shall serve for initial term of one year and then it goes on to say that they have to wait for that it's too bad that it can't be the three year people who elapse and have to wait a term not the one year people because when we were signing the hundred plus ones that we did at the end of the year i think because this was a no is committed it just wasn't on that list and they brought it up to me afterwards and one think in the interest of keeping the committee going i go there's a i think there's a mechanical even yeah well even if it had been under the category that i mean it was a mistake that they want to pointed with ninety nine percent of the other people that were appointed drop yeah so it kind of calm me by surprise because he had a three year term so i didn't think we would be discussing reappointing because we're only a year into and he had two more years so to reappoint him for another year where somebody may be more appropriate i don't know what that committee wanted to do with that position circle all those in favor of the next one is the structure jaycee's are asking for approval for a five k run a match fourteenth two thousand and fifteen from