the elevation is busy and it is a big one let alone a small area so if and we have been doing hard when you you have like a p d f version and when you go to a map it's a different size it like all the sudden like shoot the gale it's it's current it's going to go back and forth of different sizes but you know how you sent it to last actually in the two different sizes so could the electronic version of the plan just include both of those sizes you could pick and choose which one you want this may be the official copy that gets recorded by the town clerk should be the bigger uplands right right so we can just do you know this this portion here which is the charcoal portion but if you you know here's the key over here that i feel like it's it's got a lot of good detail and this is just providing information that has nothing to do with restrictions or now it's just an additional  old reports that were done by the state that are like seventy's eighty's kind of thing in pretty bad shape in some cases but it's all actually available at tronic lee but it's you know p d s of these things so goal of having some more specifics i know others talk of have you using that to help preserve back land so you know to guide development maybe away from those areas so i think we we can use a lot of information to make maybe that decision that it's aside from agricultural soils too but you know ground cover tree cover and whelan's and you know a lot of is read on a commission or committee o not another math you know there are three math formats that have septic suitability and i'm wondering more that we need here so yeah i think there should be possibly two one that's just transportation that's more roads the other one would be that mike and ted will require to have one that we don't have now which is a future land use ma the required we are at so i think that must be a new requirement so land use it would be more the existing and sort of zoning on last and then future would be could be the same but it in what timeframe like for the next five years yeah it's a five year plan so one like simple way to do that would we keep all the zoning th i think it you know it could be pretty much the same thing you know the commercial district maybe if you're pretty sure you're going to change that one side of or a fifteen that could be village other yet and i think that you know it was for new and he was thinking that it might be helpful to combine some of the water maps so we have a watershed surface water and we'll have protections that could go on energy is use if you don't think it'll be too busy i'll take a look at it i'll suggest that she do that and if it doesn't if it looks too busy then we can call a couple things out the commercials who's really sparse or maybe they're all i mean i don't know how exact the markers are relative to the physical location of the i'll ask about that data to make sure it's the most recent it's like it's one of something through here but i don't think the entrance is on fifteen but the entrance to creative landscaping is on fifteen y us no natural resources and i thought he said they were they were yeah i had already posted the agenda for that i didn't pull that actually from the physical legend they promised me that it would have been ready for this meeting and they're not quite there yet so directed directed by me was for their her next meeting so let's hope they're down to the wire my understanding is incorporated that into a plus we asked a bunch of questions clarifications so they went away with the to do submitting back like an updated revised version they had answered her questions and don't miss the deadline all right so for this chapter i sort of just started from the beginning as opposed to doing a lot of cutting and pasting and so i guess my fat maybe would be just too before you've had a chance to look at a little bit but see if there is anything that either doesn't make sense or something that's missing something that's incomplete i think it was helpful for me to look at the that power point presentation that we had of the transportation study and the the plan because it's easy it was easy to for me to get bogged down with so you know the other idea would be to just like totally ferret down and just you know instead of having me all that i think some sort of that maps are good but that that will be looked at more so that the c h p has sort of short range and long range projects so that that that in itself will lay out what is done immediately what is done next  nations in jericho cannot currently be reached safely by automobile i think it you know i think car i mean not by car by bicycle or but yeah but is that can only be reached by where i don't i don't know up the environment the needs of the residents the current behaviors of the residents kind of like the town except for traffic volume if you're nine point two actually putting that table underneath the traffic volume section because then there is like a subhead or traffic volumes it seems like that ground along with were just talking about the need schedule so back to under the characteristics of roadways the third paragraph says the study addressed roadway maintenance and kind of describes maybe we should just mention what he was saying was that it's not something that i don't know but the yeah i guess it's a little bit of like a less expensive overall to maintain roads through routine maintenance and then after they get to a certain point of deterioration you're better off letting it go completely and then rebuilding them whereas this kind of made it sound  like we would it doesn't make sense to spend money on roads in the worst conditions which is kind of true so maybe routine maintenance rather that it's just rather than like maintaining roads in worse condition which ultimately and then and travel characteristics there's a sentence the percentage of people commuting to work outside shouldn't county has increased from two thousand to twenty ten by two point six percent travelling further like or more residents are travelling outside the county you're right we don't actually know if it's for they could well yeah that's true to some so i don't know if it needs a conclusion at all even the two point six but from forty to forty two are we talking about ten percent to twelve are we talking about sixty to sixty you know like this two percent actually big increase or is it not really big in greece as a proportion although everything else the previous stuff is all about commuting so if you don't include that then it seems like everything's all the trips are for commuting thanks and that's common sense data or most of this data is coming from the transportation plan but we also got if the same amount of input from the survey that there was interest on the part of residents to increase the amount of  walking and biking accessibility and also percentage yeah yeah well majority right wing and there was also concerns about senior services so sort of the aging demographics kind of drive that interest as well so that it's kind of a more credible conclusion if it has more its support from  i don't i mean people are commuting from franklin county to burlington so maybe the rate i was wondering about that sentence to do you really mean to say having throughout jericho demonstrate a significant number of vehicles pass through jericho to and from northern vermont counties like it's not and it's more like from northern vermont counties to other cities with mention in county so that we really were sandwiched which makes us a good transportation route right and then i think a figure nine point two could start a new paragraph since it's separate concept in it really and then it introduces the gra and were you saying maybe put that with the next section to which was yeah yeah that is traffic yeah yeah yeah in the second paragraph in this section the transportation studies measured average daily traffic volumes for existing conditions and predicted volumes for twenty thirty five you can't really measure volumes for twenty thirty twenty thirty five projections estimate expected annual growth i think it's kind of easy to breeze it over and think it's all like a done and i thought that paragraph might be arranged it switches back and forth between current future current future it may be because current current or future future that you send the sentences they're ok getting hard and i didn't understand the statistics in the last sentence so is it vehicles per day on route fifteen are predicted to increase from a twenty seven percent increase to a thirty three percent increase like it's an and then the next paragraph in addition are ok so then you are just kind of framing it as the fifty concerns and congestion concerns so i was wondering actually about having a separate section called congestion concerns that's just like safety concerns and moving the paragraph in the table about elo ass and that other crappy intersection down to under there because then the lan and then that and then intersection improvement i think the phrase on improvements to existing is in there twice so it's i think it should be this study made several recommendations for improvements to several  and the transportation study measured based on estimated future growth it's the next line down you know measured as to mated twenty thirty five conditions  intersections and based on estimated future gro and did the plans this is what they're still working now on the timing like there's no time frame for these items in this table you know that the traffic signal was two thousand and sixteen so the one yeah i do find that heading confusing the alternate moods they get it seems to just be about transit but public transit yeah i think the park right is maybe the alternate mode but i think it would just say i think public transit is sufficient for public transit and parking i don't know it's it is feels a little there is transit that's what that means it doesn't get in minutes but i think that's where the jefferson commuter bus travels between tape in the middle of that first paragraph the sidewalks are concentrated in the in jericho is three village centers eliminated and then the last sentence in that first bullet mentions so they're limited and they don't interconnect for regional access but they also don't interconnect for around town access you know there's not really a complete network within the town would you kind of already say except that i think that's in bullet point three a comprehensive pedestrian slash bicycle network can we take out the health your life's a piece because there's other reasons to yeah yeah i'm fine but it's a really important reason i yeah i don't know merican planners association the vermont i'm not against that being a reason but i think it's weird to name one ok so reducing congestion o well i was wondering that seem likely to happen and then i thirty five days and i was sort of saw them grouped into three categories one was providing cream facilities in the villages and a bunch of them go under that category one of them which is providing school connectivity and and student safety and there were a couple that came under that category and then the last one was like points of interest in the town so having headers in there to divide it up into those three categor yes that's one way of doing what i just who are the other way would be what you're saying like the most likely or the most important to the yeah i mean the least important the jerk o village real bridge and i was wondering actually if the next one the middle school and the underhill id's school crossing is that different then the first one in the list which is the riverside route team those are the  straight pedestrian crossing at dickinson and then the other one says pedestrian hybrid be in the center island and the flashing be connected and so there it sounds like the project was scoped in two different ways there's two different solutions or the dots i think is it a strike a desperate crossing at dickinson or is it a flashing beacon or is it both but it seems like the same right and this is just my curiosity the rectangular rapid flashing beacons versus circular rock but i was just curious if that's the difference i don't know see a couple things under the proposed bicycle facilities there's something about these would allow bicycles to safely travel between the three i think that should be village centers  yes and i just have these connections will enable safe bicycle travel to areas outside of jericho rather than give examples so i thought this was a little confusing in that a very there was there the figure in the table had the same number which i know technically it probably has to have the same number but they're right next to each other and they're and one of them high priority it says kind of has the key to the right and then the other one is a table but the paragraphs refer to both so i was also wondering about that like the taxed the discussion of those two groups is all merged it's kind of merged together so maybe just one table divided into within share and i don't think we're going to lose because they're not all outside jericho most of them are a couple of them are internal but big the report was saying do these before you do these right accommodations but previously referred to it as on road accommodations so that the bill that time is moving is on the road yet so i think it should say on road proposed town on road accommodations are envisioned similar to the comment before but maybe we already said it so we don't need to say it again but under proposed good estrie and facilities we referenced by pad plan should we also reference the survey so the plan recommended the town install you know and also residents expressed interest in  that's how it was and yeah i know that i know but i've heard i have heard nothing but negative feedback about i mean if it's under so many different ownership of the problem right it's just not me is one of the things we are not going to have if we're presenting the plan to the select or should we have like a working list a parking lot of like select a jury hears all this stuff we have no idea if this is on your list or off your list you working on this this is not on anybody's list it's it's a really nice thought but there i don't know how many landowners the telling gave up the rights to it it just connection i think is really question  i mean maybe we can find i can't remember now whether it's in the implementation is going to be desirable and maybe that's the key change priority to desirable just that want to move that one because there's desirable is the next table oh so numerous subdivisions have been built to last several decades little work has been done to ensure a connection between these neighborhoods so is it true that now are the regulations different now for subdivisions  they were ten twenty years ago yes so shouldn't it's it's almost like actually a lot of work has been done to ensure new subdivisions have better connectivity because the regulations have been modified  they'll be a sidewalk or a molting for whatever right so i kind of feel like there is the legacy that we have to work to try to improve by what dennet says could we could pursue connections where landowners are amenable not amendable where the landowners are amenable but that's but also i think you should get credit for saying you know it's different now the awareness is better than d r the rads whatever subdivisions we are requiring it's going forward something since the plan is really looking forward to the next five might then that would be another question would be should that be an invitation goal would be to review the regulations to see if it should be required in certain situations and this seems to indicate that the traffic coming should be on the gravel roads no to leave roads and i don't quite get how it was in the study but yeah when i was looking at that i noticed that as well it seems like it should be universal yeah i guess all the tables are everything we want but don't show existing right ok know that shared use path proposed the green is there that real bit again and if so should that be taken off  or instead of proposed put in d map at the end ok so maybe there is no map it's just in the text of the table yeah because this map is also in the plan right the transportation plan so somewhere along here should we say or have a on line really relate to the plan see the plane where is the u r l kind of thing adds i mean i think it's much it's obviously they're not commuting on their horse ready but they're using the transportation system to recreate it health quality contributes to your health and well being consider no nine point one point three the strategy i remember when we came up least i think i remember we came up with that but maybe the i think the official map is i'm not sure so i think when you look at the implementation you know one has that one is documenting it and the other one is continuing to more interconnection for new developments so maybe own maybe they were trying to say like from how we need them oh we need or we need a plan and then let's make a plan so that it's promote who's a map promotes a and having regulations or some new development in  connection well that yeah the next one is required blah blah but can't the sharjah be promote a network  so here so this was in the plan five ten years ago whenever it was required continuation of roads and new developments and subdivisions but what you're saying is that it doesn't do any regulation to you know we don't require  yeah i think that's probably why it's more accurate because it's not we're not always going to be some developments are going to be in such a place that it doesn't make sense so why ahead nine point two point one point three i don't think we had an agreement would require for oh well we're not voting we're just solving the document if you want to when we comes up for a vote vote against it because it says require instead request that i or i don't think we have one i think we run i've never gotten a clear answer to how many of those things are already in the regulations so you're saying they're doing it now but it's not in the regulations i think if some of that stuff is in the race i don't think it's required i mean i suppose that is something that can be taken out since it's in the  with that whole number and don't know what i think actually when i took it out of the whole chapter i messed everything up and so i went back through it fix it and i didn't get this this is where you got to know where we were like in nine point two point three point  one of the things that we were wrestling with on the energy task force is some of the education he's i mean we really don't provide jericho residents with information on existing state programs that support and  one thing that we actually just don't mention it is about the fire department so there is one implementation here narrow whenever possible new paved road ways  developing areas but the public works less of the occasions have some sort of minimums so you can accommodate trucks and everything do we need to ensure that it also goes a little bit against what we say earlier  we talk about safety we talk about congestion somewhere along the way probably that's a use of the road is like public safety and the ambulance needs to be able to get there and leave there maybe it's just implied that like obviously access or come down in rather like the state was going to give people towns time and potentially give towns money right you know i still think that there but we should look at that yeah tom tundra will put something in and cambridge is doing so i think we've done a good job with us next where are we how are we yeah that's is everybody takes one or two chapters to to really proofread with a fine tooth comb or give them all this isn't you know not not so much for substantive changes back a little bit i mean we still have the hearing date being the hearing date instead of the seven that can be fourteen i think these still are wednesday dates yeah you're right so we can push it back to the second november ok doing the introduction and natural resources and then we're going to start our review well we need energy to come back and that might be the actually be the fifteenth which i apologize i will not