speak towards anything not on the agenda post in the way now ok all right seen that there is no public here for public comment going to move forward to the access permit that application if you were kind enough to point out recently the procedure in which this takes which is always been clear but now it is the national  started on the access permit for the walkers ok i see the logic of burning the driveway where it is i really only have a very few points i would bring up one if you have this drawing better eyesight i have so i had to spend between our rigs say that our policy says minimum radius of one hundred feet this is actually more on the order of a forty foot radius i don't know whether the applicant plans to ever take a pickup up another issue is and i just used the water level i saw not a trance at all that but i think he's contours are a bit off looking at the barn location i found which is  steep place i found the the slope to be about twice what would be indicated by these one foot contours of they were two foot katori they are two foot contours ok two for six so my water level was right ok but what that means is that this pad in front of the barn site that l shaped had is in a very steep area and i don't know if the applicant plans to simply dig and flatten it and then leave find some way to stabilize the bank to the north of that pad but as it is that pad would greatly exceed our notions of the slope and would cause an awful lot of water to come rushing down toward point d w fifteen so that's another issue finally i noticed that just up the existing road from point d w thirteen a water bar had been restored so water gets cast off to the west instead of core the thomases property and that a dearth dike had been put in the ditch to prevent water running down to the east of the access point i am a little concerned whether that would be adequate when we went up for the site notion of the thing is that that little earthen check dam and the water bar could easily be overwhelmed by the kind of products strangling rains we've been having this me or may not be exacerbated by culvert up to where the proposed drive rejoins the existing road at point d w twenty one you can just about make out on the contour lines there's a natural drainage there which would feed into the culvert but ditching that which isn't shown on here a need to change which would have to occur on the north side of the road would also feed in down at least from t w twenty it would feed into issue of it is that well that's i but i didn't bring the page with me it's on page twenty seven our land use regs i think is page twenty seven section three point d point two point four maintained by the applicant to meet minimum time driveway standards that means you have to upgrade to upper road from the big dells house where the class three ends up to the driveway access point to seventy one to be done know to be seventy one standards and one it's explicit here to meet top driveway open parents be seventy one standards if it's for more than three lots of it just be brought up to seventy six centers which and you know reg i've had to look at this the word development seems to compass almost anything greater than a stick in the ground is it's a pretty broad definition i not for lots of war things like that so there is an issue as to needing to to upgrade the distance from the dells to the access point to be seventy one standards on figure out i find out more straightforward i can figure that out i can figure out a curve i have trouble figuring out this i also hate someone to propose that someone spend a lot of money because money doesn't grow on trees but i don't see guys please kick in here if you don't agree or think i'm off here but i don't see how we come to a good conclusion here without some more properly officially engineered drawings that we can  stand by you know i wouldn't want to sign off on what i see here because it doesn't give me enough i know your i know your intentions are great of hey i want the ditches to work and all this stuff but if i sign something now saying you know go ahead and do that and that doesn't happen that that concerns me so are you opposed to professional engineering and professional engineer drawings that are you know it's a budget if you were given some of our feedback you could make these charming more detailed and you can you can make a sketch on your own and provide a more detailed based on at least our feedback can we go back to my new site on the previous akercocke the one up on my resettlement ropes we suggested doing some cutting because that would would that work here that road of course on a separate note if you want to come in and talk about that when people start study like that bring in the group that does that study and see what the ultimate study is and then maybe the speed limit be changed maybe it wouldn't but at this time of course we need to do everything off the thirty five the terrain up here is that this wouldn't require any cutting in the town right one has to fully issues on the walker side of the ditch and i suspect it's a two hundred eighty foot sightline on the property owner's property by the property owner on the property using to be seventy one standard which is you put a stick in the ground three and a half feet high fifteen feet back in the travelator access point  hop you got to get through like to know whether you're going to cut that to reduce the average grade somebody remarked that twelve percent is the maximum that's not the case ten percent is the maximum there you are allowed twelve percent for a fifty feet because sometimes you've got to get now this is just a footnote it doesn't go to the triage wages i've walked up there to where the ground gets very steep and goes down to the seasonal stream where you propose putting in a  see you're replying again for the new spot that makes more sense to everybody right now come in and do that and then either that seems like timing wise you'll make aren't one of our next one or two meetings come in with the new drawings this will be ready to go we'll look at those drawings make and the bid is for week you know working with our engineer you know we were all under the impression doesn't mean that these guys are incorrect there was an estimate but we were thinking one fifty we break it over a two year project because it all really needs to be done i mean i hear you're saying but it's all an issue of coal group would be better errors be better right by return are we better do we battle this year after year plus or minus ten percent when they figure the stuff out there i mean i can open up on those books and figure it out get some square footage of roofs so much square foot of membrane so much  right and you heard this was to sixty up that building i'm just nervous because it's so far beyond what the architect thought it was going to cost so i can understand ten to fifteen percent within that range you know on a job this big should be able to come in way to say that you know we makes it all or yeah part of your offer but then again to get any bid and i know one thing like this from just one company so hard to tell if you're paying the right place  have something rather than starting something new you make the thing that you have better here you know and they just can't stay where they are they're going to ruin so that five hundred dollars back up on the wall and i don't know it's doesn't seem like it's much more than the five dollars to put them up and  program so it's up off the ground on the wall and then dave when he was there today we're looking at it all logic would dictate that we pay somebody to put a little shed to protect innocent comes out that's what we're here for the you know the energy committee we'll be tracking the energy usage for all these buildings for about six seven years now i say now so the that you know i mean we could always get rolling may you and your monitor g contracting and supply you did this unit to give you some kind of figures but i think real life you know what's projected in the marketing brochures and what it really turns out to be we will only have to see but i am positive that you know i've seen the oil bills for this place this past winter but i know talking to lou give you heating down to about ten degrees you know what we call the shoulder seasons and then it also lines up well for the future for using alternative energy here we have some and so there is an incentive it's well worth doing and as you can see jerko when so many of the communities have switched to it so but it doesn't fit into what you guys are doing here you know we can and we wouldn't be able to get on the and i'm really excited i think it's going to do a great job for the building you know the bid was thousand dollars lower than the monitors you contradicting your supplier so now the town hall meeting room lights retrofit that up stairs pumping there's a little quandary there of the governor signed a bill authorizing us to offer incentives to offer miners for those coal climber he pops so we're insisted painting october so it's really bad timing but you know if we can save a thousand dollars you know we maybe you know run the oil over the other place until the rebate is available so then we'll get we're going to do the whole thing the get right to know we're going to alter the we're going to drop it but we don't know what we're going to do with the time grows at this point you know i think you could still do the lights though they would always be many splits on the building here oh a couple mini splits were in here no they're not the mini splitter another five hundred so that's why we removed the twelve o four for the upstairs meeting room lights on with the commotion to do the underhill town garage hide the lights for one thousand nine hundred twenty four dollars under built around post office weather station for five thousand one hundred four dollars underhill town post office cold climate heat pump three thousand dollars under that's gone and then the corporate people are going to get another thousand or so you know we're back down under ten thousand so we get everything done ok so let's make a potion to use the grant money going to this list plus the five hundred dollar been issues people that live near the town pond and around the town by a lot have had issues with not the greatest behavior going on in the town pond parking lot so some neighbors came to a while back and proposed some different ways to work with the situation there one of the ideas that has come up is putting at the town pond not at the entrance of the road of the town pond but actually said in a bit when you drive in then to the left are utilizing actually kind of the corner of the pond fence so that if someone did play early morning tennis or wanted to access the area they could actually pull off the dawn to dusk would be the idea behind the gate the recommend he kind of came up with a hard fence can build one for about six hundred dollars plus tax with our installation  brian posted this on front porch for there was definitely a bit of banter back and forth we've also received a series of emails and other things like that some people throw some people against definitely seen  yes and you know you would leave it must be ten or even twenty target spot so that's a big target a lot i mean what's left what strikes me and if you drove straight into the fence right it's quite a bit of space  live close to it wanted to engage and i know it's definitely there was a location thing with a lot of the feedback from what i know on all the communication i've had over the years with with the state police are very seemed overwhelmed and busy of course they come if they're called but they're not really here for us to do patrols so we've been hiring the sheriff's department who seems very we worked hard to try to even get them here on saturdays during the day which they were not very inclined to do i i think they're very much a long shot to see the sheriff here in in the night or evenings when this stuff is happening in a lot of the stuff we have happening down here is that one two in the morning you know the lately in hours or you know someone did say hey you close this it's going to go somewhere else and it and it may well but this isn't real to be convenient location new road takes a little stronger vehicle to get down to the park sometimes aren't  you know it's a for some reason this i think this is a relatively easy accessible right off the mean place to spend some time on like a fifteen minute drive up to the park i feel that the that the purpose still accessible to many offers a nice compromise i think it was on the road i would be more concerned about it back in people's lifestyles someone pointed out in their e mail you know they'd like to have sometimes people when lee with their barbecue and it would be said of the neighbors you go they're having a great time and dust comes and they need to leave right away because we made it so strict and so that's a little bit of a concern because someone else pointed out in the e mails or those posts that it's sad to punish someone having a nice time there for a few jokers who aren't aren't you know playing by the rules so was you know people we have a particular situation here with the needles there frequently we have found yet another person a felon a bag of needles not the ones we've already talked about here  and given that that is for kids and families etc you're talking about a safety issue and also an activity that i don't think any of us form going on if people are saying they don't want to change the character of the place and the character of the place right now is not very good once the sun goes down so i say we need to change the character place and put it back to what it was which is a place for people to be in the day enjoying the park enjoying the pond itself and leave it at that there's stuff going on there right now that i don't think should be can do you think they need no problem i mean not you know enough version that background but i mean if you park out by have a gate if you needed to use your needles when you park there walk through the gate and go hang out by the myself here i agree with you i think that there there is a problem for president there's a new product in the epidemic in our in our country and no different in our state we're founding needles there i got little kids running around there me out i think that late is a great idea i think assigns a great idea and i think the i think we're still offering access to the place you're still parking there if something was going on along park you went late i agree with you you could simply say hey guys just put it out here and stay longer have a great evening i think it's a good use of the recreation committee money and i think we should try it and if it's a problem for some reason we work through those problems but it definitely there's a problem there and it's and it's not a nice problem so let's try to come up with a solution there is one other issue  town step by step it's not strong out there if it is i would say from my feedback i would say at least fifty fifty i did not get strong opposition against it i got here i from what i took away from what we heard and what i heard one voice promised i would call a but it's a less expensive method the less invasive method maybe that's they talk about the method of the step by step method where every legs sign a change camera and we put up a sign that says th anyone told anyone time in the show read every day is three hundred sixty five days well i mean at any one moment we're ready probably to talk about this more but you know we have forty nine people in the building is that ok so we've gotten insurance your content at ten thousand dollars and then you every day use blank whether i need to protect the people who work in there once a week catalog you have insurance on our activities that we were going to have somebody in there be but you don't know the every day use cost no idea this is a gravel apron under the weather is the currently gravel apron is now of the cheated area will be the sidewalk yeah right you are short one term theoretically concrete would be cheaper in that it it wears it wears better installation media short term concrete is expensive like anything else yeah if someone has that's helpful and concrete lasts longer like that was just a helpful tip that there were two hundred things that i was wondering about laptop versus concrete one is i wonder if years i don't know the pros and cons of you know the concrete sidewalk incurred in terms of what happened was for anything actually we were even things like parking permits market or anything related to drainage or i just wondered if someone had sort of speak to those parts blacktop prices there's only a short area difficulty following the drawings of it i understand that the shaded area is new work the proposed new sidewalk i don't understand what the dark shaded area is whether that's work that we're going to right now there's a lot of water on the existing sort of sidewalk in front of my house it's kind of the last house where there's sort of as a sidewalk that's broken down and then it's not really effectively draining to the existing storm drains and is probably pretty high here in my property and whenever it rains i have a stone wall in my house and been there for many many years serious one because i get drainage from group fifteen because it comes down to this plant goes right down my driveway and i'm very concerned the there there is some the age m v p would not like me just for summer funding for the perm work is kind of seems like there's long term and short term things to look out here it does seem like the would be over to do as we've all spoken about is that that sound should everybody read this stuff right this seems like christos doesn't have all problem with doing it as long as we follow some basic design but yet there'd be solutions it like he said for looking beyond the immediate term consideration for potential green project grant i think i will speak for the neighbors they're here it's a pressing issue now and so at least let them do what's what's possible now and so it sounds like that term is possible so my question is how do we move forward with the  like what we need to engineer or when you get to that he will he'd want to similar to our discussions about driveways we'd like to see a play in that we can feel good about the case no and so we go do some engineering firm  ok reach out to them you know hopefully this is five hundred dollars water on a crappy also yes i think this was a special year that kovar across from this property that was blocked off i think if that had been open brand of browns river and something that could be happening i know we spoke about maybe grants that are out there some day or something like that but he's a massive undertaking a massive project that definitely is not on the radar right now i foresees three pages long which is what a short story it was a short story i took it and tried to cut it down to pair it with it without writing my own words just cutting out some of their words  i forget when i got it down to but i'm happy to circulate that for consideration by this board next time as to whether we just ought to send it out to all the chairs thinking purposes for their traditionally four year terms the four people who they have now there are two hundred fifteen one in sixteen one and seventeen or so we as everybody knows we are the proud owners about dump and where the proud owners of testing that dump part of the dump closure spend money on that every year in our budget know it's not good but the than u l u d r and the road policy and typically enter into interprets the situation using the more restrictive covenant the road policy requires that though that when a driver or a road is extended to accommodate  second or third wailing on a lot more after two thousand and two the shared portion of the travel way must be upgraded the standard of the road policy in this instance the applicant is proposing to triple the amount of traffic from the end of the road therefore the board should theoretically require the road be upgraded to a seventy six standards back to the intersection of route fifteen the applicant did not provide sufficient evidence at the hearing for the board to make a determination as to where the upgrade to cloverdale should begin we are requesting that you are right is the road foreman or another qualified individual to review the existing conditions of cloverdale road the proposed projects and offer a written opinion on behalf of this like board as to the need to widen improve nobody overrode an appropriate location now but this would be something thousand and twelve basically without it a written agreement it gives a state law and it mandates that anyone who purchases a home on a private road is by law required to have their fair share and this is  draft drafted for our portion of our road of late where the subdivision for them are you know a neighboring property and in the easement language was covering you know here's what you have to do in terms of your of your  group and i'm very active with these associations as we move here who deals with similarly to the town what are we going to spend the money on you know when are we getting a road graded how is the planning bill isn't everybody kind of  in our attorney has actually just today emailed him you know wanting clarification on what else they possibly need legally at this point because of the state law where it's sort of changed in the recent past  so is there any type of clause or anything to do with graham like roads that have been there forever and i've been managed privately because i understand obviously i'm a new resident generally speaking you're  because we completely governorate we pay for everything when we need more money we all get together and figure out like there is nothing to do with the town right so it's kind and i mean outsider coming into it you know i've lived in vermont for i haven't been here for a while the coming back and it's sort of interesting how there's a dichotomy going on where they're saying oh we want nothing to do with your river but all the sudden we're going to tell you everything to do with your room so if you do the driveway standards and she's building it down the road another month here so just keeps dragging on for you so i could see your frustration i don't blame you but but i think cliff is very aware of the regs which i appreciate why he's here there are many reasons  like he seemed to have an idea of where how this thing should be working out so we got to listen to that but we got to follow the rules let's follow those rules now mike said let's head down this path and try to keep it moving as quickly as possible ok ok hours we tell how your photo was about three three forty three now we do two sixty for summer hours and the rest is left up to winter ok to sixty for where we do the funding and like to add the money in there just that the major leagues are in different places and have privacy i'd be happy to do that to go over each year and we have that built right into it p i think you just want to put a certain amount into your equipment replacement fund and then you work with your old foreman or whoever each year the company knows individual pieces of equipment where they need to turn over a moment or instead of well no i'm just saying that's kind of like a start and it just does that you know if you going to look at a number and you minutes am going to put a hundred thousand in there in your and your materials appreciating a hundred fifty you know you're way off base it's kind of like how do you know that the edging out tonight is good you know it's just that will be here and it will be mirrored on the web which i think is extremely important as far as records requests and the legality of our information this the same one we use now or to buy for and to set that up it's thirty four dollars per mailbox and then annual license of eighteen dollars for a mailbox i'm assuming if we get ten mailboxes there will be one for administration well of people in town hall plus one for highway plus one for each flight board member and one left over so just the cost for the cost comes in is the labor because they would have to do a few things on the server and then they have to spend an hour or so on each meal box migrating the mail over and that depends on how much you have i know i lost all of my e mail prior to not just sending it it's going to it's also web based so you can access it from my base but it's not just going to save it on the web the way contest is going to save every student and received our file i i didn't i mean it's not the regular time so the only thing i finished today is payroll so the very words will be there tuesday at your regular meeting ok but this is going to save you from coming in  i've got some pretty good you're always welcome thank you i can make that change clear