question is because i'm thinking of seniors i'm thinking of social security now we're both on social security we're past that and you think the question the question i have  and sixty seven is the new sixty five in other words people older people living much longer right yeah and when we were kids so the question is says social security because it's financially precarious start at sixty seven dollars rather than sixty five dollars because people want to work longer even older older folks want to where we are two examples but you know because that would two year i mean they have to phase it in and you know they can start for two or three years so people would know but if they did that they would save the sis i mean monetarily be a huge swing in their calculations and they're always you know the conservatives are always trying to get the entitlement programs or security medicare cut it back or change it so if we say that sixty seven thousand and sixty five dollars we could change it if they could tax the rich more in other words both sides of the political spectrum contribute well that see this to me is this is why i'm really disillusioned with both sides of the on because they don't seem to be able to take the other point of view and therefore into account impossible to compromise and yes yes i think so because you know social security medicare for all or you know privatized everything for everyone  i don't think me personally i don't think reality works that way i think it's reality is always kind of like a balance of two opposites and unite so i think you know the details of thought i saw your point of view if it were raised two years it might help to be much healthier financially for the country right but i think that that for anybody to bring that up now in this environment i really think it's i don't think we have an environment where there can be a middle ground now you know i personally  complicated issue yeah but i you have to have good will and you have to have the ability i think you have to see reality i mean i'm not saying my view of reality is correct sometimes you have to hunker down on one side or the other a there in every person even a very staunch conservative or staunch liberal has a bit of both and i once knew a family i'm still in touch with some of the people but not as much as i was for decades and they were from very wealthy people in europe and they were republican fiscally and they were socially very concerned very liberal they but they were part of w g b h they had the cops they gave  donations they were the wonderful people and i learned a lot from them i learned that you can you can be both you can be both and you can be a great person great your brain can hold views on two different slabs of the social economic you know being and you're still true to yourself and true to your country and you still have your human you're not you're not you know take you're not you're not turning turning away from reality right right right he when i was young when i was st getting social political conscious mainly probably from my parents down through me but i knew i was physically mana terribly conservative yeah but i also knew that in social issues i was somewhat radical i was still influenced by the war by the holocaust by stuff that went on europe so i believe that you know there's all these changes to come but we're going to be able to pay for i my mother did she was very proud because she said i'm a roosevelt democrat you know which is interesting and she was very for the times she was very liberal you know she wanted and my father he didn't know as much although he was similar because they never never fight about religion or politics or you know had yes agreements i think as i was just the one parents they had you know many years with them they here here at the center because i'm here a lot especially at lunch time i hear different conversations you know you're talking at your table and you're listening to different kind of sure and like as far as the politics go here and i'm not speaking for everybody i haven't taken a census or a count of any threat but there really is through two different types of people who come here th a battle here but i don't i really think that you know if you don't try to see both sides not in their extremes because that's stretching reality i think really stretching  principles i think i don't see that and you don't try to weigh it in your own mind and not think for me to be a human being is to to be two sides of a coin in almost everything because you know i mean there are certain things that are truths i think but when it comes to human affairs and how you manipulate finances and social issues i think there are different points of view that i put absolutely absolutely anyway this is i i try to talk to you know they say don't talk politics or religion i try not to do that so much unless unless i feel the discussion is is going to be productive  personality or my you know actually i'm charles lockwood is signed and and the radio and i'm a senior trying to find out who he is so that's why i'm here at the senior center because i the social worker had something that she was going to put in there and wanted to get a message across marie the volunteer coordinator she wanted to put something in there yeah anybody can share things always the last repeat and they have other space people if they want to put advertisement and i think right yeah well that's good support exactly exactly who senator and we are we want him a friendly right we are coming back maimed mentally physically combo's weather and service dogs have proved to be so good so important service animals let's say for four veterans there it's almost like  you know yeah we just went to a service truck graduation that was a march with golden opportunities for independence so they were how many dogs graduated in total but they all went through the training so now they're ready to serve their owners and it's awesome and where procedures done they're trained to help if someone is about to go into it to have a seizure or go into a diabetic have like a direct reaction or something it's all based on the saliva which i thought was really interesting so  important you know i would just make this very brief this morning i was writing here on the bus and i saw what appeared to me to be just by my observation the grandmother in the ground son and riding the bus the little kid you know maybe was four years old five years old he had a little stuffed animal so i'm thinking service dogs stuff i mean just very young where you you know you're you have go yeah yeah so that would be nice the high school come the jazz band just for like background music and give people a chance to be out there and serve the appetizers and that'll be nice we've got a drumming program  there's yes there's is there something about interactive drumming and drumming circles that are really good whether you from memory impairments or for people with dementia and even like that or just anybody there's really good information that works for the gene mer u s d a human nutrition research center on each so they're going to start are going to do a four part lecture series on nutrition and interesting for older adults in innovative nutrition anything that maybe we're not familiar with or we don't know hoping i think this is going to be a great ones i'm going to try to get the word out because that will be that will be a really good a really good program for people to me open a little food and we're doing a dried flower workshop so there's a you said yeah i just stopped it was such a beautiful song i had to run downstairs and i had to go and just peek in there to see what was happening it was so beautiful no other any programs were like children you know it last year the sage and seekers are going to go to the international school in boston and work with a certain grade and and that's a great program as well and then we work well with the schools to try to come up with programs and we do a lot of virtual reality intergenerational fan i put in something because that's one of my passions and in my older years virtual reality why it's too complicated to explain but we did we discovered this program called mind show m i n g s h o w and in a nutshell what it is is you can pick a scene you go into the virtual reality environment everything's three d you pick cartoon kind of way so you pick a scenes to say i pick a newsroom and then i go and i put characters and they're kind of human characters in a cartoonish form there's there's a there's a cat there's a cat anyway what you do is you bring in the characters and then one by one you know the experiencer of virtual reality jump into the characters and as your body moves and as your voice talks the character mimics you exactly so you can make a little and you're limited to three characters but you can have three characters there and you can then live in each one of them with this little skit you make up in the monster it's just amazing and i think if we bring it here i think the kid i always talk about the kid inside us the kid inside every single senior here might be touched going to be really special working on a barbershop quartet to do something in the evening if anybody knows anybody who's got classic cars i want to do like a classic car you know somebody i want to do like a classic car cruising night oh bob but this this gentleman we were talking before the break has served in the navy world war two and you would think he was old enough but he he was you how old were you go that far that's certainly true yes and in a lot of cases families didn't have cars right as a matter of fact i remember as a young boy sitting out on the porch if you will in a swi going back and forth with some also you know my mother or one of my brothers or sisters or whatever and people going by and say from church coming home from church and going to church whatever saying good morning they had time to talk to and there was it is kind of interesting what transpired up there because as you know this is a very old institution and they had tunnels we had tunnels underground spaceships everything not people walking machines were faceless tapping on their on their implement as you as you walk by them it's like they're eight almost aliens to you yet they're not interacting and i think i good morning they keep doing it i can't help wonder where we're headed or we may already be there i can wonder what they have to say so many times to so you know it's not meaningful it's it's maybe i'm biased but it's like i'm getting  have a phone that their mother and father bought them a case and they want them to call in case something happened or anything i very frankly i don't know cell phone ok i know that's that's a joke is i much prefer to be make calls a limb line in my apartment well i think that they have utility because there are people in each of our lives who love us and if at any one moment walking down the streets something were happening to us and it were a matter of you know a sphere linked ill or something we could somehow get ahold of somebody right then and  ere without even having to me be a medical alert button it could be anything but yeah so i'm saying you know what i guess in a nutshell what i'm trying to say is that it you can take my my view of reality is you can take anything too extreme religion you can take politics to the extreme you can take technology to the extreme you have to find a point for yourself where you know any device any technological device has utility for you above and beyond you know the basics of the best the city say like you if you just had a landline i mean i guess if you had a heart attack and you felt hopefully kind  it is the excess out in the real world that yeah clued to these machines yeah that's it basic telephones are wonderful yeah but people who that's what they do that's what's so important to them that's what they can you know if you take it away they've done studies if you pull the phone away and the people start going through with oral like i wrote here yeah because the using it eighteen i was yeah no i mean that's and they grew up in elbows i think that i do as a matter of fact i think of unification is verbal a through my son who said in there and that my wife said oh yeah we're going to do this and i said oh when did i'm not a fear that i i'm delighted to have it because i find that i hate to sit on a photo it's just one of those things that you know i grew up in a time where there are communications between people and now it's between machines but you you could be using your computer through a video call to say and especially under phone but on the computer to you can you can interface with somebody it's not it's not person the person i think a lot of existence is trying to when you're not a person the person get as close to the person the person in your communications as possible so you know some people i see young people and they're talking to somebody in the they're on the phone it's it's it's it's almost almost being with the person you know to see them so it it reinforces them face to face on fly in one of them and last sunday just as recently as here the last sunday he called me said dad you want to go up through vermont for breakfast i said sure so we went to hanscom we ran one hundred and eighty two we and went up there and flew between the mountains to get into this airport that we're going into and so we landed there and then we got a car and go over this place where he found on the internet had breakfast and it was fabulous out of this world it really was i talk to people who had been skiing to killington insolently and the winds which she said were so bad that she couldn't even go down the hill the wind stopped her from really that's how bad it we we just had a wonderful life while no as a matter of fact i was the st of the generation and i had i have had three sisters here just doesn't want to go one died and then a week later the other one died my younger sister died oysters and lobster bisque is one of my favorite soups they're wonderful and ready for the world right but yeah it's great but anyway i've had a good life and i'm in and you got converted to being a new englander the everybody that yes happens to see this it's very sad you know thank you for talking to well it's been my pleasure i've enjoyed our pleasure really you're you're a lot of things you said really touched yeah if you're ever here on a friday morning and you see this happening please john why is there any well this and this is my son oh richard his name is richard also we're you know i love technology but there is something to be said for person to person i said i love technology but there is something to be said for person to person and communications just a just when somebody mentions something and you've had something similar in your life it just downs of it's search of easy airing in a direct way yeah you know it really is and we just that's a really deep truth because a lot of the troubles in the world are because people have an agenda and they think it's the best agenda and therefore they have to defeat your agenda yeah exactly you have conflicts as a people should just yeah of course you get a great preface undermined it's that kind of state you know the food is very welcoming you know what a great thing to do you know it's only an hour trip a small plane yeah the st time ever flew in a in a little plane was with a friend from high school one day he was i don't know it was a pilot he said but what are you doing today said doing homework doing this he said i want to come with me i'm going i'm going to go up in  scary you know any e c says that your house down there he flew from norway and he's over brookline and he's doing dipsy doodle since saying i'm going to buzz your house don't buy my mother my where i was maybe other people have to you were you're actually in your dreams you're flying and i read i don't remember them exactly now but i remember when i had them i would wake up and they would really i think about them a lot because i think i would almost like crash and yeah i'd be going underneath like wires on the telephone poles and and then i'd be out of control and i'd be like see you know you have your reality of the dream was very similar to your reality when you woke up in the essence well i look at life is like you're living this physical life and everything is totally real and and you know touch it and this but you're you have a dream world and that's maybe why i like virtual reality to you it's it's levels of consciousness i'm so in those those experiences were so real i mean they were very disturbing move on to the episode five in the future right yeah and whatever route reality we're in yeah well we're in this real we know we're in this reality it's