budgetary perspective for twenty fifteen and what we're doing for i asked the town of misrata to do that when we first met and i can recall the exact date i talked at the top of my head about was the chair person that's the one that i recall and i think i mentioned on a they had recommended really significant debt exclusion was a twenty million and it failed that right now it is free for the cherry middle school and some other we believe going into the process increases in available revenues will be and the primary increase in available revenues is the property tax because that can increase by two and a half percent over the current l and some assumptions about states some assumptions maybe about mom property tax revenue and the like and then an estimate of the fixed cost and again fixed cost is our hang such as our minuteman assessment state a chargers our retirement assessment to meet the funding schedule that's been termed by the board of the time aboard the road override as a number that is a fixed costs and things of that nature that sort of come off the top if you will in terms of things that need to be funded first because they're either statutory obligations or obligations that have been agreed to with regard to overrides and the like and so as the process continues budget process the schools are allocated additional one point one million in the town budgets in every thousand based upon a percentage for me that was developed several years ago but the relative percentages of the budgets but again to understand what the hell's allocations need to cover our increase in fringe benefit cost increases in salary cost based upon contracts namely non salary increase cost for energy or for special ed tuitions in the like so even though it sounds like a lot of money when you start putting items such as those against it the money very quickly is evaporated very quickly and that frankly also doesn't take into phenomenons such as increasing a moment i think the superintendent may end on in a moment that is over and above those kinds of assumptions again if we had classrooms or if were required to provide additional services for different kinds of education services and the like it's a challenge and again even though it appears that our state a number is increasing and i think the superintendent will comment that that is really allowing us to cover some of our existing costs going forward from fiscal fourteen not necessarily including all of our additional costs that we need to cover namely the involvement driven cost and  salary negotiation cost so i think where again clearly fortunate welcome the additional monies from the state but it's not necessary a windfall for say it's making a budget development process somewhat more manageable as opposed to being in a position where it will have a budget that's being presented that will be received not so well in terms and in not being able to meet our current needs so superintended you want to add on to that for we negotiate for the new three year contract perhaps so that's been helpful as well so we're informing each other in terms of what we're doing we've got sort of wind itself to a more collaborative approach perhaps to the through some historical analyses and looking long term perhaps ten years out about what what may need to change with the financial implications are and i must say to you that we just had our first bargaining session yesterday with the belmont education association and what we're attempting to do again are trying again is the interest based bargaining model which is different from positional bargaining we'll see how well that it's meant to be friendlier less contentious and ideally more more realistic one of the ways in which that bargaining is going to be informed is through the work of the souring compensation group its report should  within the next two weeks there are three reports ready to roll and we will be making those public at the school committee meeting tuesday night and what i'll do wednesday morning is electronically submit them to kind of minister's office for distributing to this group those three groups include the enrollment group the instructional modeling innovation group and the student services student life group all three groups to have long can financially implications most important perhaps the most dramatic would be the long term financial implications of the in roman group and just to give you a very short picture of what we're looking at at this current school year january two thousand and fourteen has a net student increase over last year of one hundred sixty nine students now it's a very rough rubric but if you consider that the average per pupil expenditure is twelve thousand two hundred fifty dollars one hundred students conceivably could have an impact on the school district of one point two five million that's unfair because there's already an existing infrastructure of anything the average per pupil expenditure actually drops somewhat because of the impact of enrollment but nonetheless that's that's the kind of long term financial impact t accurate as i thought that they initially were historically they've been in that area only one or two percent which is not not a terribly broad variance but we could anticipated enrollment over the next five years perhaps a total net gain of about three hundred students over the next ten years perhaps a total net gain of last six hundred students that has consequences for space availability if you could imagine one of the interesting factors that happens within roma does that belmont is seeing  something it's a first century phenomenon it's called student population churn that is for every three students that arrive in the belmont public schools predictably right now that one that's going out a requirement to teach them intensive immersion in english and that also has a decided budget long term financial impact in addition to the enrollment study group the student life services group  report and that anticipates some real needs as as i think no one is unaware that schools have taken on major social life responsibilities for children we are a frontline agency for identify child abuse we are mandated reporters to the department of children and families we have a responsibility to provide certain kinds of safety nets and interventions as appropriate there is a cost of that and it's the cost of the school district and the cost of the town what we try to do is project with some of our our mandates and some of our desires to improve the emotional and social life of our would entail in that report as  well and finally there's a not finally but there's additionally every port from our instructional modeling and innovation group which tries to describe the kinds of interventions that have developed developed what this r t i stuff is called that's a response to intervention model and means that we're trying to be not simply more efficient but more effective in working with early identification of any kind of academic shortfalls shortcomings get that taken care of reduce in the short term some of our special education costs of voice over identification of special needs students and so on at the same time we are very much interested in innovative practices particularly the kinds of innovation that prepares students well for a life in this century for example our i pad project business scaling up at the high school is important part of that innovation those three reports as i said will be submitted first to the school committee since they are so many of them commissioned by the school committee that will be submitted to the school committee of tuesday night and then i will have them available for distribution through the town of minister's office to this for five on wednesday the other five groups should be reporting over the next month and as those reports come out we'll also be presenting them first to the school committee and  and i think the twenty fifth if you want to use the word surprised because it sounds as though we're not we're not sort of cleaning but to some extent you know you don't and i guess you can't know or don't know you know in terms of demographics in our community you know perhaps she years until leaving their residence is selling them to a younger families it even trying to do some analysis of that yet as well what's happening how do we do that for the future because i think it's not only an operation operating implication but also as you mentioned capital cation absolutely one of the i mean it's a it's are in roman bubble this year is a surprise i mean we we did not in survey daughter in sixty nine students we anticipated perhaps by this time i think we had the budget fifty or sixty students actually so we're three times above our estimate part of that has to do with how reliable the projections are from the new england school development council but that said they tend to be at the the the best measure that we have available but one of the interesting things too is that in belmont and i don't know that this is that wiley known one third of the residential properties are rattled and better problems tend to indicate why they're moving to belmont and that's that's for much in the report some of that's very interesting stuff others have questions my name as one common chairman of the revenue up to the committee we met twice currently we're looking at all of our department feeds we've gathered about ninety percent of the p a process of looking at fees of the ten base communities that we've decided to compare ourselves with and we're trying to locate any of the historical information where we are in line and above and beyond all of that to develop a final report package that we will put on the town website the one thing that has come out of this is trying to find historical stuff pretty different from we're also looking at parking fees we're in a process of really reviewing the parking fees and parking passes with the goal of having a recommendation on june first we're looking at other revenue opportunities trying to gather as much information as possible take any input from a resident from anyone sit around the tables in this room the goal there is can kind of put together a book of all of these revenue opportunities and go through him one by one and come up with an end so either they're going to go follow it or they're not going to go forward but document the reasons why because what we're finding out is there's lots of ideas but that doesn't seem to be  stay in place we have decided as a group that we're going to stay in place through six thirty two thousand and fifteen all of us as one group would also like to suggest this might be a stanley committee to select and think about appointing the kind of meets annually and you'll see some of the reasons might be done only to review the fees but feel if you look at iraq if you look at our claflin street watch and you look at some of the of the lights around town you know we're pretty crappy shape but i don't think we have sufficient monies to improve do not support the full cost of those programs they're also subsidized by the general from really for example the athletic fund right now sixty percent of the cost of the athletic programs are fee based we have a forty percent comes out of the general  only other point is and we've talked about this time and time again and you know how it came it's you know that's something you know the assessor's had attempted for a number of years  and to talk about a pile of him is we haven't had a great deal of success there is that something the group will be looking at as well revisiting it although you know it'll be on a list and you know whether it's successful or out of boils down to twenty largest sources of the pilot payments are negotiated pilot payments with mit and harvard and about six or seven years ago a negotiation took up with those who would be indexed every here so it's a growing revenue but was based upon the fact that one pilot payment was a expiring and it was desired by mit to come to the table come up with some money to pay for services i think we still need to look at whether we have any success whatsoever  ok so you create a little bit of pain in order to get them to consider nobody's been willing to do that and i'm not sure i would be either but i mean it's just it is there's got to be the same thing we we did a we did a study the number of ambulance and when we did the deal we negotiated with them that is the tax revenue came in from the woodlands but that would offset so now they're not making any pipe in which to get all of those expenses you know the very department i don't know what the runs are but three four times a week five times a week they're only the police so so i think there's going to be a concentrated effort just to say look we're not giving up on this thing of the approach concentrated in continuous effort to let them know that we're not going to go we have to ask them when they say you know turn around walk back and go back a couple years later that's going to get we've just got to we're just going to constantly worry about it and that's what that's what you're dead yeah it because all we did was we got a third of the tax revenue and reduce a third of the time we never got the tax revenue from the you have got a system there for the repo ok to build the other things all it did was cost us money that we met with the chief operating officer recently and so clearly with the economic downturn their opportunities to solicit folks who are willing to do r and d or an assisted living facility were somewhat weak but now they're there they're very eager to move forward on those things and they're trying to solicit some interest to get and so that those things can be developed but i think they were hit with the economic downturn but they in all honesty i'm talking to the see all they would like to have those things develop just because they could use the money also so they like it but they have to pay for the lead right so i think clearly there is the interest on their part to move forward but again going to move forward and being able to move forward is two different things  is it outside the scope of your of your committee didn't think of attracting new businesses to belmont or of you know more commercial interests retail interests or is that just outside the scope or maybe this is a  package and put it on a with a give it to the board of selectmen put it on a website and his all of the opportunities and then this is this will what we've done and this is what still open and put a lot of this stuff to bed because it's as i just heard from mantua law about pilot payments and in a few other things if we had all of this stuff documented there we're not going to have the same discussions  here it is get everything down and move forward right and that's that's one of the reasons we said that we were going to stay together for till june thirtieth two thousand and fifteen because we think it's going t suggest development that we don't believe consistent with what we want to do it with least the board feels this is what we do in the community not only white board there but also from a business perspective look at matters as you just mentioned how do we and i think you have the one because when you were with him when you were the older son i am now so i think we perhaps it's a it's a committee you want to meet with i think we need to find out more about what perhaps they're same idea you did the last time the board of assessors looked at new growth in terms of future tax revenue and what is a presentation made to the economic development community i found some of the people are coming to my files i finally got the website because we're always looking forward to wringing our hands how are we going to make this happen we sometimes forget the many successes that in fact we've had and if we bracket from the chattering mills full to the school in between those  projects we renovated this entire town hall complex with a deck solution the we've done the harris field and track and we are back revisiting that already you know cleaning that up a little bit  we did that you know fire stations that we did the senior center in addition to the ass we renovated all of the town playgrounds and we looked at most of the school playgrounds so we've accomplished a lot  but horses everyone no go on our list is the department of public works the police station don't want high school the pole white field house and skating rink which we've linked as a single project in the library so we're going to do in the next few weeks or months is take the document that the capital budget committee produced over the last year which is our attempt to create criteria for prioritizing capital projects local ones we can identify hopefully if this document works then going forward because the other thing is what we can look at those six projects looming on the horizon before we know what would i be looking at chief and peter cast you know look at these abilities studies that we already have in hand what can we do to please update calls and then using the information using the people let's go through that document and answer the questions and see  that gives us a plan for moving forward on the document you had in your red folders from the last meeting but just to quickly review we looked at for information out of the project on the property and asked him basic questions there we asked questions about the usage that it really is and seasonally usage or not we looked at safety the condition of the building what facilities are we looking at that are either by law or by the daily functions of the town what about scope inciting any present and future building and in particular you know when we look at the library and look at the dominoes that we can actually would like to do with the library station whatever we can just look at one little space what is the in that on everything else and then finally should it be new construction versus right and so we're hoping that we can fill in the blanks here authority a statement of interest for the high school renovation project weekend submitted that and we're again we're denied our application again there's a significant amount of applications are received by the m s p a and they continuing process in addition to that we applied for a grant with the state with the mass works program to help pay for the cost of the belmont center renovation of sidewalks and streets we had a good proposal weren't necessarily all facility type of projects but were nine hundred capital projects that the town is looking at trying to review and trying to move forward on it so i think that that is part of the challenge which is there are a lot of exclusions over the last let's say ten years and when when they've been turned down when they've been approved i've seen that done for other towns and i think it's a very effective and useful tool as you as people try to understand where we are right now relative to the pa does allocate approximate million dollars a year on pays you go projects that aren't necessarily debt projects but help support the infrastructure and capital permits of various buildings and and departments and the other partnerships i think we've talked about that a great deal and we have it's difficult to sort of for the board selected to sort of drive that process to a large extent we should we should not theirs dismissed that we really need to think about ways that we can team with you and i don't know what it might be wealthy individuals in town corporations think of that nature to look at ways that a partner with down help from a funding perspective on some of our major capital projects i don't sometimes that doesn't always work out when you're sort of cap and some sort shoulder but if there is this interest in our community among folks there perhaps or as engaged as we are engaged in activities to to help in any way they can i think we should very very interested in moving forward but the landlord is well when i get him i'm not so sure i'm going to do that i'm not so sure i want to do that there's no motivation on his part there's no pressure on him to respond to these things so they come in he looks at them and they dispensed and the town has to be willing pull little bit of this menino mr rossi of cambridge to play little bit of hardball with these people for an abatement we have been in conversations with him and we have had a plan and we have had conversations about the impact of parking what that may mean part of the issue is is he's had several concepts and we've reached out to him and several times to work with him to see what his plans are so that we could either in concert with the parking manage to point to make sure that we were being efficient and not implementing the parking management plan outside of knowing what he was going to put in for a tenant that basically we may not be able to address his needs the pampa what kind of tenant he has in the macy's property whether it's one tenant that has a high parking demand use need and what impact that would be to the parking lot in the surrounding neighborhood or whether it's going to be broken up into several store fronts where the impact on parking may be different to paper on the use again we we have been in contact we have had conversations he is working on  talking to his tenants and the local businesses to get a sense about what the employee parking need is because that's one piece of the puzzle that impacts the parking lot which then in essence impacts the ability to accommodate different kinds of uses for know what he wants to do it and what impact that has on the parking area so i hear you but again if he's not under any liberty to govern if you're not going to listen it's actually from a what's the point in naming rights is that i don't know whether we need a policy the town and the schools would have places where the naming naming rights might be appropriate or let me know and so that perhaps it's not it's not two different groups it's one group who is selling all of the elmont to not only individuals but also large proportions who might want the presence and they're doing the analysis of how much traffic there is and that kind of thing and so that you're you're going to someone saying here all the opportunities and let's figure out which one fits your compa around naming rights we want to have the same policy absolutely that's one consistent approach from the community david i sit on that committee also and so there are some draft naming rights policies that we've been looking at good here we've also been educated a little bit about naming rights and what the potential opportunities are are not just so that you know and always been a good resource of a reality check that even though we might perceive that a business or corporation may be interest in putting a logo on a building in some cases it isn't is valuable as you think it may be again terms they're marking strategies in terms of penetration terms of being able to reach somebody directly through a name right or a a program that's what they're looking for to be able to connect with people directly and that's the benefit of having a sponsorship of a particular program having a name on a building doesn't necessarily get them in terms of penetration terms of being able to directly connect with the student or directly connect with a parent and so i think we just got to be cautious that you know not to say that there is an opportunity to do naming rights that may generate significant money but to think gee we're going to let you put your name on x and that's worth five hundred thousand dollars i think that's unrealistic that that isn't as valuable as we think it is just because from their standpoint doesn't generate business per se it's more of a community service type of donation as opposed to out of an effective marketing tool that allows you to actually sell stuff and how do you directly get to people so it's not that it's not a good tool and it's not that it's not something that's worth looking at but just to be cautious that it's not one that we should expect to get a lot of department some base information with regard to on because i think it's important to make sure we understand what the statutory requirements of what they need to provide services to the town so make sure we understand that component and because again there are some things that are required to be done as town services and to make sure we document that and to ask the departments to tell us what services they believe there were not providing and come up with a plan what things we may need to look at in the future five years from now things that we need to be forward thinking as part of our inquiry and then basically asking for opportunities of fish and seas that they might recommend that to the to the task force so we're putting that together in addition to that  will split up into two and basically we obviously are not going to be able to visit the ten or eleven communities individually but the plane would be for us to split up and attentive we've asked to sit down with the town of our only ten in the town  of winchester to sit down and see if there's things that they're doing that maybe we can implement the look at and see what the opportunities are as things in terms of service delivery models that we may want to consider or opportunities that they may have taken advantage of that we should be looking at so that will be happening and i will be organizing me with those towns and collecting information from the departments and then be able to start that process where they can be questions for the government side it and i'm speaking for myself but my sense is for my colleagues that world believe me i'm still in a vote to move forward based on that presentation i know and will get two million dollars from have been committed  a committee thank you and whatever the total cost will be the board will vote on the tenth i believe to put it that explosion on the ballot for the april first election and will will understand from the community whether they pool we're moving down the road that we don't road in virtually everything we do in this town and that is we don't like what we have so therefore we need to the one i'm in we have concluded as a community that that pool is not repairable by the bath house as a separate issue but of talking about the pool itself and the fact of the if you start with that if you start with the premise that we want to do cool you can come up with all the reasons why you could get a hold of the fact of the matter is we spent twenty five years ago we spent two hundred fifty thousand dollars to repair that pool and we got twenty five years of service so that can happen again because the thank you we've got people just need to look at this or recommend orcus other recommend as well i mean the pools that  and i think we've done a good job with people cast you know with everybody cooperated in keeping that thing going but as you cited i think the major issue is the groundwater and it's just never going to work and as federal and not have a lot of value david i think it plays very well taken with them although it's a lifestyle maybe it's a sport for a company maybe it's some other country to operation that says he you know we really want to associate ourselves with the town of someone does approach us although that underwood pool was bridge to us by the underwood family i don't think we can change that name like a lot is it but but perhaps there's an opportunity to do something more there i mean i think the board would my sense is we're moving forward nothing's going to stop that at this point in time we some committed to moving forward with with the with putting a discussion about you as a resident others as well can vote yea or nay i mean that's set up to me to decide whether you know we can only say this we believe this is a priority for our town with you to going to a pool believe me he has done fine work i'm absolutely convinced it has to be reconstructed and i'm also absolute convinced that it's has significant use by the community throughout you know well during the summer months at least we've been had some proposals from some of the some parents about putting a bubble over the pool make it a year round facility i think we're looking at that clearly that increases the cost substantially not only from a cap perspective but from an operat perspective i hear what they have to say i was quoting the paper yesterday about i think it was sort of an outgrowth of the fact that the hit bottom wasn't up and running i think that's true might you know perhaps there's a need to consider an alternative swimming place when something happens to the human body we clearly need to the high school as well right so that's connected with that if in fact there's an opportunity subsequent to if we have a successful vote we move forward with the pull to do something there from a sponsorship perspective we sure as heck could do that  and we'll pay you actually number of dollars per year for that just sort of thinking out loud which really use those funds to retire the debt on that pool if and if we are successful to the exclusion so yeah i don't it's not a it's not something that would be excluded but from a tiny perspective we believe the timing is right to put on the ballot paper first again and maybe yes maybe you know it's up to all the residents  projections and that's probably live it after the fact for a while and we actually have started developing a model format which we have a draft of that we will continue to tweak but weeks we've got the beginnings of a model which has the components of revenues and expenditures which then can be updated from food for auctions for new growth or other kinds of factors that will come out of the school subgroups to factory costs such as increased costs from rome or increased cost for other types of things that they're looking at so they're beginning to formulate and to finalize i will meet as a subgroup but we just got this today a format just to do a couple things perspective the way we've constructed this is the make sense to working groups as it is the things that we could do differently and hopefully we can meet we're often of the working group so i think of once a month probably makes sense for business and the other things that we haven't thought about from a task force perspective that we should consider ok in terms of follow up meetings i like we actually friday mornings but the weather that works for everybody here i think is important have everyone thinks the want to do you want to send out i think it would be helpful to month i mean there's a lot of sort of great dialogue you know that's taking place you know folks that may not be on the working groups like usual and others is your way that we could funnel comments to all the team members so you may come up with some thoughts later on you want to show is on the third paragraph of the financial task force the list of comparable communities instead of committees that