population of the cities in the state of new york and then focused in on states cities and their ranks near to usenet the five population so and then i went to each of those cities websites and sort of all across the board so rather than focusing as i know we have been i'm not saying it's inappropriate but just focusing rather than just focusing on the assessors salary and looked at each department's cost to the city that i just described and if you look at the overall cost of the assessors departments in the city of albany cities connectivity and city in iraq falls in the city of detroit and you rank them from the most expensive the alignment with those other cities in our area delivering the same type of service we actually have last staff then then most of these cities that i mentioned i just want to give some context because i know we've been focusing on what does the assessor get paid and i think it's relevant to look at what does it cost the city to manage its assessment department so hopefully you'll find that helpful is that we are looking at not increasing our budget this year and if you look at everything as outlined in the requested reallocation it actually is decreased by just a slight decrease of about sixty five hundred dollars as compared to that if we just continued forward into two thousand and fourteen with the structure we have now supposed to the structure that we're posing on and this city had in recent history the fire she made one hundred one thousand so our first guest we always used it as a model you know maybe we should model ourselves more after that once we raise in my opinion once we raise the salaries that stays in there taxpayer some relief so just saying that pays people more money i understand people take on more we do such understand all that but that's the way it is and that's way this a private life too so of where they stand i will not agree to pay more than the seventy three one of the you know kind of think about when we were talking last salaries it's tough to kind of forget about it is the difference between the salary compensation and there's a train going neighborhood association but it's kind of really there's no money there and it was like how did how can we get this done so i talked it out of the little bit and  s you know there's going to be a website and promptly buy them on line which we weren't able do it's going to be a dive to st like we did before and i think our biggest chance raise money do things in the community and reason to them hey instead of climbing the pole at midnight and stealing the money how do you just by you know buy one and we'll give it to you for free and so i think are in the beginning stages we'd like to get into full swing within a month and a half where we're actually you know have everything on the website we're ready to collect funds or we know all the praises and to collect enough money that we could present ok i'll second that all in favor i'm ok national flood insurance program read maps and local legislation  anything else from the other service so based on that just want to let everyone know that the previous chair of this committee to deliver to the city and check from an individual that was raised as you part of fundraising i would suggest were in the sporting field would you like to be on the committee for the evening just again we have met a while back you know trying to we need to make a couple more points there and i just didn't know whether anybody's been able to reach out to any of the groups that need to be represented to get