those of the numerous individual issues that are involved i see that you begin your argument with with the claim that the trial judge did not or the trial judge did improperly fin it virtually applies in every case that would come before the appellate court every appellant would contend that the ruling below was improper otherwise they wouldn't be here but that hardly is the standard of review that we have to abide by in deciding whether the trial judge got it right or not but it is the standard to review well i think there is there  the course certifies a class that is really on multiple many trial or individual trials for every member yes and we look at for that as to why the cursor is this case itself if you look at the dispute between us thirty seven matter of law our work taking this in the light most favorable to them and the plaintiffs we think everyone is going to reasonably conclude or reasonable person would conclude that this is a requirement done not going what it is if you have questions you send documents and different customers could put that differently the issues the fact is that they say i understood the record to say that that an explanation doesn't come forward did cause me to wonder given that this is meant to defray the cost that and pants incurs in complying with government regulations whether it's federal state or local  nine when was it triggered by a new government regulation that might have come up at that point to cause that i think answer to incur additional expenses that it had prior to that point incurred i think it was a culmination say that there's going to be a midi file for every customer if you believe there could be depending on how they view then keep your are you saying that these customers would seek to have a trial when the cause is or when their possible recovery is a dollar two dollars or three dollars per item purchase from everyone i think or do you think your client would sort of walk away because they have a right to defend a case whether it's a dollar or ten dollars but if you're saying that it's unlikely these individual potential claimants would file a lawsuit over three dollars even if they did it ten times thirty all the regular charges and then you have a line like you would normally and then you have deliberate government processing requirement in text below the total cost line that any consumer would reasonably believe was the price of the goods in the the visual subjective consumer would believe but well with a reasonable objective consumer believe and in a class action trial the plate that once it certifies a quest doesn't bring all class members then that's the whole do their tax returns and they had no reason the basis of coming up with this is an arbitrary number that they came up they wanted to increase their revenue they didn't want to increase prices and so the inference from the evidence a reasonable fact finder can drive the trial they didn't raise their prices they want to make this look like a tax because then people will raise their hand and said don't want to pay this it was easy it was easier way to slip in a present but the representative testified that he thought it was attack of the representative testified and this was what you know what i do third party it's going to cost and that's a deceptive because you make it seem like this is a money that's going to the business it's going to someone else because it's very important in a free market that truthful pricing information so the defendant testified at their r fifty seven that's exactly what the defendant said he said at will and it was a little clear because you have to understand what exhibit eight twelve is which was which was this thing they sent out to twenty five customers policy and he said i said well i just saying this happened or you should he said i'm speculating because we don't require that they display every aspect of the company when they start dealing with the cost which is directly many trials and this type of speculative record you'd never have class out what the p r is all about to begin with and i'm not sure that any explanation she could have been given would have satisfied her but she recalls it being labeled a tax so i'm sure that that is a fear because you're going to make a claim seeking to recover or if your client is making a claim seeking to recover this overly burdensome regulations they should make that clear to all their customers in the form in which they are making you know a charge for that