going on for quite some time and officer marco's efforts it resulted in the recovery of a substantial amount of equipment and one of the things that we're going to be doing is having officer mark come to a future meet so that he can explain to council exactly what is occurred there in that we can recognize his service the other special report is simply an announcement of the public hearing that's going to be occurring on monday september nineteenth at seven thirty at the middle school and this will be for the purpose of taking testimony on a proposed amendment to the zoning ordinance and the subdivision ordinance with regard to unconventional gas the one letter tells you that they recognize that in fact we have filed for a taking and they are not going to object to that taking and so we will have control of that to to go to a boarder view to determine what the value of the property is so the first item on the agenda with regard to the authorization to go out and solicit bonds is timely because in a short period of time we are going to have to make that payment so what what we have talked with council about before was pretty authorizing the sale so that we could go out at a time of our choosing in acquire these funds as the need we need our intention is the only morally amount of funds needed to fund this purchase as well as to purchase an aerial fire truck but if you look at what's in front of you is an ordinance that is for a sum of money that is that excess of what that might be and the reason that is that we're going to do this through a competitive sale process and this provides us the ability to structure or that the underwriter to structure their proposal in whatever way makes most sense for them and at each of the payback my guess is that what we're talking about borrowing is probably in the vicinity of seven and a half million dollars that's what i believe that we're going to be doing and we'll come back to council it's good to firm that number up we have a meeting with the attorney who say helping us with the acquisition the property this wednesday that could be part of our discussion but in the mean time i think it's it would be timely to put this in place now you have here tonight jeff bill's who is our bond counsel intemperance is with the township's independent financial advisor if you have questions with regard to the actions that are occurring tonight they're going to be the best position  sixty five thousand dollars that will not be what we borrow but it again it provides the flexibility is for someone to structure a loan of a much smaller amount in a form that that will be acceptable so when will you know the actual amount i believe my hope is that out of that discussion with with the attorney on wednesday that we'll be able to come to an understanding about what's an appropriate engine if that if that number would come in at a number higher we can use art of those bond proceeds that were intended for the purchase of the fire truck and apply it to this and then look at funding the purchased at a later date again it won't be that number i think the number you're looking at is like seven million five hundred thousand that's what i think we're looking at actually borrowing to clarify and the last paragraph talks about other potential attempt to explain to us why their property is worth more than what they have paid for it and where it is worth more than what our phrasal say it is part of that could be cost associated with the work they've been doing in terms of play and submittals some ma the that an argument that that what they paid to undervalue the property so that there's a whole series of arguments that can be made i think the fact of the matter is i think the township's in a fairly in this world is universally strong position because there's a normal li transaction that is very recent and you would think that that that would weigh heavily on a board of you know the need to see we're paying in are we paying it in based on what they paid for based on what our or it's it's done based upon what our prices are so we're going to be paying the eleven point one million into court and yes ok so we're already taking the position that the properties worth three million two and a half million more than what they paid we have title we're going to have to make sure it's under our insurance policy yes and yes and this came in late today and that is something that will be doing tomorrow and we'll get the property blockaded now to what i need to talk to on wednesday is the attorney to make sure w count as well where we've now had two public hearings on these ordinances we've had a variety of workshops with counsel among staff with the planing commission and it is its opinion as as well as mind that these ordinances are now in a position to be adopted and so they're on the agenda tonight for that purpose i don't know what else we a few comments and these are based on my opinion and speaking with a lot of residents both long term and short term residents i think that everybody understands the concepts of the conservation overlay and the mix residential and that they are things to consider based on the idea of diversity and how is that my biggest concern and what a lot of people are concerned about is how fast and how many of those types of developments could occur at the same time i don't from what i hear not too many people who are interested in dramatically changing the look of peter's township they bought houses here because of the way it looks so one of the concerns i've raised and i've said this all along through different hearings is that i would rather have more oversight i think that a conditional use versus a primitive use would be a better way to manage that i don't know all the logistics but i think that the concern is that multiple plans of the five which are untested in our community could begin and could actually be started and that if this if this experiment to call it that does not work where we end up having half filled plan we've already had one example of a conservation overlay where we've had to have the plant come back in because it didn't work and those are the kind of things that i have concerns about i want to avoid that i think that some people also feel that this is not a bad thing to try it's just we just need to manage it differently one of the other concerns i've raised and i've said this before is that the mix residential development is supposed to be based on traditional neighborhood development which that if you try to retrofit something like that into an area without having both sides of the puzzle sort of planned out it might not come to fruition so then you've created this type of neighborhood and maybe the commercial never comes so my preference would be to see those submitted as a joint residential commercial plant have raised concerns about the thirty six thousand people in peter's touchup there's probably nothing we can do about that other than try to manage especially can i did raise a few other objections or comments about different things in the body of the document that i won't go into but the point i wanted to make is i know the council is not here to micromanage township the operations are in the hands of the manager the township manager and the staff but i think that for all the work that the people put into this and i was in many of the meetings with mr lewis you know i think that everybody did a lot of thoughtful work and i think that the planning deserves a good implementation and measured implementation and i think that we don't want i don't want to approve an ordinance that leaves too many ways for interpretation of some of this when in fact it's a brand new concept so that's my say on the ordinances is true is the one thing the i would like to point out and it's in the m report i do believe that this is a change in the care of how developments occur in the township and i do think to ourselves and this is something that ed and i have talked about is that as we begin to progress with these new developments we do need to be more engaged in terms of evaluating these and the nature of a zoning ordinance is that it is subject to change and so we're going to we need to evaluate what works and what doesn't as your statement translate moderating how many of these are going on at one time if they if they choose to do the option for higher density i e i and i could be wrong but i don't think we're going to have a mad rush of people to come in these ordinates the way this is set up these all these properties will have that it relates own and any of those people who own those properties will have a right to come in with the development just like they do now so there's not the this ordinance that would stop that from occurring but i would be surprised that were flooded with these i'll be quite honest with y there have been a lot of people engaged they're happy whether or not one hundred percent of the people in the township saw the information or realized what was going on you might be right i mean and that's part of the nature of the issue we've had communications with people we try to have comprehensive here in some coasting things i don't know that i i would agree with your concept that people don't you know i think not everyone is are short and i mean what percentage you might be right there maybe fifty percent or more don't really  for the same thing would apply ma'am and start to come before us and if he had an access issue before the this is not going to change that you're still going to go through the same subdivision approval process as you would under the current ordinance the only thing we're changing is what you can put the what we're not approving it for that we're just saying that that's a potential use there if a developer chooses to try to make that you still less come in front of the planning commission and then come in front of us and establish that he can put a plan in there that complies with the ordinance know because multiple properties could be combined together how that gets developed we something in the future each of those will be looked at and based upon the set of facts presented to the plaintiff commission in counsel to point in time of development and tonight is potentially the property but you're concerned about having a mixed residential overlays soon and upon their property the underlying zoning which is single family residential still stays there if there's nothing that we're doing here tonight is going to say that that crew will develop that way it may not ever develop that you're jumping all the way zero one two thousand and sixteen for township sponsorship of the peters creek sanitary authority application for funding from the local sheriff county this is not conflict with any other case you're going to have a pot of money the remainder of that there's another pot of money that is set aside from in a small project we're in the process of building the new stage and the septic system that that service is that has failed and we met with the sanitation council as well as a private contractor who does repair on that and type of system and their recommendation is that we not repair the system that we in that we in fact connect to the public sewer system the public sewers fall just short of where we need to be but they where they end is right before you get to to get serious mission line so we think that the sanitary authorities probably in a better position given the sensitive nature of  that to do that extension then the township in and given that we've been partners with the sanitary authority on a number of things including underwriting their mond issue we thought it would be appropriate to ask for their assistance and so what we're asking is th here changing the fee for well we want to do something different what we have done in the past the because we have large wooded lots not everyone's been able to take advantage of of putting leaves in banks and so we have since the inception of this program offered some people need billing to rate their leaves to the curb and for township cloisonne equipment to come and vacuum those leaves the problem we have run into is that we sell a coupon which entitle you to one leap back you make it so we have a number of people who rate their leaves all fall and then call us up and for fifty five dollars we're out there for hours with additional equipment as we're passing people's homes during the fall on a weekly basis on their garbage collection day and picking the leaves up as people break them and therefore the equipment can be used in the way it was intended to be used that we're not out there going to do is contact everyone who has subscribed to the service last year in the year before to let them know the change so that in fact they know surprise for the entire season to the team not coming in november and i was telling you it's one hundred is from my perspective relatively clear and this is what's been explained to the property owner in a couple occasions when we took our center church road we took over the storm sewers underneath that road he has a the ability to connect on a private connection to it and quite honestly this i think was a very good model of what we ought to be doing when people want to have private extensions he connected into that catch basin he used materials would not be the materials that the township would use it does not have a record easement so we know that it wasn't intended to be taken over as part of the public system it's now failed and what he's asking us for is assistance in repairing that line what he's been told by various people here is that that's a private sewer and the township doesn't get involved  either installing or repairing private sanitary sewer i mean private storm sewers so i was council feels differently about that what i'd like to be able to relate to him is that you've looked at this and agree with our assessment oh i think you're right paul i mean he did the work himself it's not our responsibility and i think the concern is if we do it for him then where does the line stop i don't mean where does that line stop and where does the line start i looked at this last fall i think with people in the home and the home owners been very pleasant to deal with very understanding but i think there's just you know i don't know the exact conversation of the time that collapsed you think according to the gentleman what he thinks happened and it seems right based on what i saw was that he put this storm soaring and filled over top with the extended yard and the fill shift in the pool the pipe apart now it's it's kind of creating sink holes in the yard and it's a mess and it's going to be repaired so that's at that point can get township was asking for assistance but i agree with with mr lauer that the circumstance know and we in that to request the township frequently get says i need to extend i need to put a buy in to drill in this reed so that i have more usable yard and and and this case like i said i think this is actually a model that we ought to be doing it for the east it's that catch basin clearly delineates the end of the public sewer in it also gives us a way to maintain our sewer without having to rely on somebody's private that then suggest that when people do come for this they need to be given specific information about the type of fight to protect themselves forward of me as a benefit to touchups trying to provide would do this or if this is what you need to do to make this work i think we would continue to do what we have done in the past is to offer people with vice but the engineering of a private extension is really up to that individual and we try to be helpful  residents and provide them guidance but there's nothing that we can do to require them to do that and i don't know what the discussion were was years and years ago between mr ever cashier and the homeowner at that point in time and that's all i was saying and i don't think it was you know what we can do that i can't do that tonight but we can we can i did and if i have two things i know that mr curious asked about the power it was school to be on the agenda and i know i saw there was the requests for courses parallel to each other one be finding out what it would cost to repair the structure in the township maintain ownership the other was to look at what is people may be willing to do in terms of purchasing that property while at the same time maintaining the exterior and what is had is held up is we ran into problems with regard to the title and so we have that now squared away so very shortly we should be in a position to go out and do that other activity as well we have a list of people who are interested that express an interest in acquiring the property we would go through the normal procedures of advertising we would also contact  people so and then the only other thing i'd like to say i had the opportunity to attend the high school's ceremony yesterday for the nine eleven memorial remembrance i just wanted to compliment grimes and christian was that he was the vice principal of the high school the program was wonderful and true a lot of residents of the high school students made some presentations they had a number of speakers and it was