discussion with the lions club on the town common electric sign at seven fifteen we have the superintendent lewis lopes from the southeastern regional school to talk about their renovation expansion project at seven twenty our t planner sharon watson is going to be discussing the community transportation technical assistance program grant for the foxboro community commission on disability at seven thirty we've asked the crest organization to have a discussion with us on the  basically a general discussion on past present future with some question and answer if anyone wants to ask questions from the from the public at eight fifteen we'll do a chairman's update at eight twenty a discussion on the formation of a committee to review the surrounding community impact of plain ridge slot slot development eight thirty five will be reviewing the annual town meeting warrant review articles and eight hundred fifty five we're going into executive session to discuss neots failed on behalf of the undersigned non union employees we would like to express our just pleasure at what took place on february sixth february twenty sixth at the selections meeting the board of selectmen publicly disrespected a member of our group as well as the process that action was unacceptable to us in the past our group of employees were part of the process of making any changes to any other person always as a second largest employer group in this town we believe that  that up until the last couple of years we have been part of this process we respectfully request that the board respects the the established process for reviewing the person waged by allies and that you that you discontinue any discussion of changes to our benefit without our involvement in this process furthermore we expect you as a board to remove the warrant adekunle between pertaining to benefit changes so that we may have a meaningful discussion with the board and all involved in this process thank you just  a few minutes before seven o five but we have probably appropriate people from the lions club want to come to the table did have our in our packet today a letter from the foxboro historic commission with an e mail that they received that they attached to it we had d p w directed discussed at the initial meeting the costs where the money was going to come from there and kind of  technical part of it so if you wanted to give a presentation i did ask you jack off a letter that could speak after you other language in it i think of a broader context and project and i would like you to know on behalf of the alliance regardless of what the outcome of the vote is we will continue to support repairing the signs at this time as as i said at the meeting in january eighth we're not sure what replaced so we'll take care of that as far as the finish on assigned to repaint i'm going to investigate that further because i really stopped working on that when i started working on the electronics side of it so i do know someone things we have to do but i will go back reinvestigate that and take what actions have to be taken to repair and maintain it and that's about all i have to say on it rather than go back through a review where they know it's been already stated in regards to it no is obvious there's any question specifically to bob none does that's good to hear that you know there's still a chance to go back and look at the costs of repairing and replace things i'm you're welcome thank you we enjoy doing it it's really changed haven't people put things out on the fence outside there right then i mean the old sign you know when you change it's empty news ago i as a j c was like oh my goodness what are they doing you know we have all these big signs that we hook up there that you know you know what chains comes things but absolutely no and so find another use for your forks right now and again thank you no if i could tell you what my heart tells me to do once me to do i mean my life stopped on january eighth sitting at this table when i heard the proposal for that sign  so i wanted to do a brief background on on history that brought us up to this point but i also want to get into this presentation of how how this presentation came to be about electronic signs the damage it was done to the community all right i guess this is this year is the two hundred fiftieth anniversary of the meaning house on the common now how appropriate two hundred fifty years ago the people wanted to be a town they had to have a meeting house they had to have some land people gave the land people stopped what they were doing they built the meeting house with their own hands and this is the type of community involvement we've had in foxborough sense that time this is the sense of community that makes us so unique eight hundred twenty two of the brick meeting house down brick church built also in that general area over the common other churches built up around the common other things but the brick church comes down because bethany built an eight hundred fifty four on rock hill street so now you have this void in the middle of town with nothing in it citizens still trying to make it look better it's often called an unlovely area eight hundred fifty seven a private group came forward sylvania association the same year that the grand townhouse was built on his site those citizens said to the town we will lay out a common for you we will design it we will do it we will pay for it and the town said yes and that group of citizens raised the money and laid out what we they put up to bulletin boards that people might use for that purpose it worked for a while nine hundred eighteen where was one tablet on the traffic island across the memorial hall one hundred twenty the most familiar site in the town so many servicemen would write back to the war service committee saying once i see those signs on though the war is over i'm back home one thousand nine hundred four world war two was still going on they started the world war two tablet on the common while the war was still going temporary name tags but they built and named as they went along sixty eight firefighters memorial town common fallen into couldn't repair it they needed to make new sections but no you can't go to the taxpayers this is a citizen's project we go back to work what they didn't in seven hundred sixty three have the citizens come forward and do it that sori broke in the paper on a thursday morning and when the bank opened people were lined up on the sidewalk waiting to make a deposit they paid for that as it turned out arching hindemith's a fence so we put up the replicas of the and lo and behold it was temporary name tags was still on the world war two tablet we made in bronze and nothing had been done for vietnam yet so we put a tablet for each of the viet nam dead on the center lands through the c tablet was moved to the common now comes one nine hundred sixty six a proposal from a group of people that had a history in town of helping the citizens there wasn't a kid in town at that time who had not had free eye exams all growing up courtesy of the  things they ever did in my opinion they bought several ten the bicycles and gave to the institution for the blind so for the first time in the life of those kids with a side sighted volunteer on the front those kids could feel the exhilaration of getting on a bike and pedaling off in the afternoon they have to preset him in the face for four lions club did that but they come with a offer to help solve a community problem that are posting signs all over the fence on the common at that time there was not advance notice of propositions like that they came to the selectmen on a tuesday night they looked at it sounded good they approve it i believe in my heart and i know for fact that if they had been more discussion the message board proposal would have taken a different shape would have been something different but the to voted it and it became fact i did not the loss of the fox was science so my wife and i were finally given permission to restore want to bring it back to the continent but it  s just a difficult time because of the process so that's when i wrote a policy that the then selectman except to just say when a proposition comes in effect in the common let's wait on it refer it to historical commission let them ask all the questions vet the gays gays nice whatever pro's and con's about the project just bring it back for the sled meant they have more information to base their decision on that was accepted in its in place so well in the meantime cause we continued on we were able to  get the antique street lights around the cause we were able to achieve our greatest goal illuminating those known harald's at night this this to me was the appear to me we also illuminated memorial dave liberty of a tree and park it worked with us endlessly spending many many many i was to make the decisions that we did but unfortunately we come to two thousand and thirteen with a proposal to change the manual message boards on the common two illuminated electric signs the signs were showing their age and true to their commitment to lance club move forward contact the  see what how they would proceed with repay us now the d p w came back immediately with a recommendation to go electronic the very very first question asked by the lions club when they heard that i was asking if i had seen the proposal this was based on their awareness of my history of working with to such a decision on the common they were told that i had reviewed the proposal and signed off on it now unfortunately that message was sent conveyed to selectmen so everybody considering this project  our nation's call every single time a nation called fox by had somebody there and the first three conflicts are recognized in memorial hall everything else on the common now we also on of there are firefighters particularly three who died in the fire of the townhouse plus three others who died on duty we are all of our police offices and particularly officer petty who died in the line of duty so these memorials make this sacred gun around it's not prohibitive ground it's it's always cause a celebration under under certain circumstances but we  liberty and the pursuit of happiness it is a right secured for the public by those who are on it at that common we have promised we would never forget but remembering without respect is hollow to invade the sanctity of the common with the lights on a message board would be an affront not only to each and every veteran but to the firefighters and police officers and their families illumination even approaching anything we saw in that demonstration last week would be an ending to honorable negatively impacting not only the common but the entire center of town this the color lights a changing messages that were talked about anything that it that focuses more attention on science intern in an intersection that is already identified by a flashing light twenty four hours a day seven days a week imposed by the state is inviting disaster it is just plain common sense that your life would be endangered now that being said about the message boards the dedicated lions club members they have been subjected to a continual pride of criticism because people believe they advanced illuminatus science for the common i have this in emails i have it in voice mails i have an everywhere i meet people the lions club did us wrong when they did not all they are trying to do is do what's right they promised they'd maintain they came forward to do it  so where do we go from here we cannot we cannot allow in any manner shape or form any type of aluminum illuminated sign you see it is strictly not fitting and it's not it's not part of who we got but here we are now in a situation the message was themselves need to work we notice labor intensive but even that can be s if we recognize the fact that maybe down the road with today's technology it's a changing society maybe something different would evolve but we are in no position to make another kneejerk reaction decision in the midst of all the angsty that is involved with this if we could get the lion's club to perhaps project ahead for a while maybe working with the southeast regional students to do the work take telling employees out of the mix let senior citizens working on the tax program change the signs on a monday morning but keep the signs at the same monday monday schedule like they have been for decades but the signs are right now part of community life if you're involved in a in a good project what do you do the first thing you do is you reserve your your time on the message board you  contact cable your contact the newspaper and you're going to be also published so we i think need to number one make sure that a proposal like this for the illuminated science in such a sensitive area never ever comes before the people  but i realize this is awfully long but i gotta say only way that i could feel that i have served my town by bringing this into historical context so i thank you thank you jack but i got to say obviously full agreement with jack i'm hard pressed to vote against the lines and ask if would you consider withdrawing the application and we just move on would you rather us do that right now is it ok with the board they don't need our approval just to do repairs correct yeah not to not not to do repairs but to put the electric sign and i just i druther have a withdrawn i think everyone's learned a little bit from this and i just i didn't hear objections to it you just approved by the board anything else and that way it's publicly notified and the board it's always been an action item you know people been married to everything else on new year's eve and but it has changed mine and has when we first you know and used to bring that i think just as a courtesy to us right you know kevin has kind of taken that off of the plate made decisions you know for things that were coming up once was something that he thought p should be shared but so i think again it's going to come back to the you know revisiting that time manager act if you want to make that part of our responsibility and take it off back off of the top managers cracked right while it still is under the authority it's like me that's why i think you should stay and i think the forms it was something that happened last summer there was an event and been a lot larger than what a three line piece of paper said it would so we revamp the application that we asked about poor parties and electricity and traffic in numbers of people that form change but that still comes back in front of the selectmen no it doesn't know what let me help you out here linda is absolutely correct the manager act is quite explicit all town property is managed in control by the time manager you don't sign any permits for the common the only reason this issue is in front of you is because i insist that it be put in front of you that's not due to any other thing other than my instincts say had a common is a sacred place for every community an issue like this needed to be in front of the board so that you as the representative of the people could determine if this is the appropriate kind of a change or not that's the only reason it's here what you may be confusing is that street applications closing streets parades things like that by massachusetts statute come before boards of select the only thing that i think you you know the board i don't think the board would want to have the ric the responsibility to have to prove this because you'd just be bombarded with them but there might be parts particular locations that you want you know that's up to you guys you know i going to so you know we all know town commons are sacred and so that's the property of the people in a very special way and so a dramatic change like this needed to come to the board and be talked about in the public forum and that's why i came to you well the other the other thing that it's good for publicity for the fundraiser that it comes in from the book is actually people do watch it so i mean it and from frank usually hears it as an action item and says you know don't forget we got the have come in front of us i mean obviously if because i was told the same thing that this had already gone through a process with the lights i think if it came in front of the board early on we wouldn't this would have gone two and three months into it  next item we have mr lopes a superintendent for the southeastern regional school welcome back project like the regional school and they have metal shop and glass and brick and mortar that they could take that on as a class project where it's it's not off the home depot shelf that you and it's great experience for the kids as well as in time and  too early and wondering too much i just want to reassure the communities again it's no additional assessment that communities for this for a thought into a we have a financial plan in place for a short term band for one year and we have the funds again if you know additional cost so the s b a give a certain amount of dollars to the school the eighty percent reimbursement ok and then twenty percent is split up on the other schools and then you took the roof out of it because you didn't want to have a charge to the one year so the charge to the foxboro is do we want to is a significant enough to put on an annual town meeting as a war and article in the language is in here if we wanted to do it or we have the ability to snuff on it and not solar panel installer make a big upfront payment is going to cover almost all of us so the net cost of the district is very small and i will come out and defunding so this is a yet another example of the reason of occasional school just voted to take no action on the words what you're doing is you making a decision not to call a special town meeting for the purpose of considering this you think about if you call the special town meeting there really isn't anything to consider frankly the fox for community has been properly notified of the timeout in purpose of the south and south eastern regional school district school committees funding vote for additional costs of renovating and expanding the district high school and has chosen to take no action and i w the community transportation technical assistance program grant for the foxboro commission on disability and in our packet it was a letter where sharon describes the process for the record my name is sharon to all the other hats he wears performs a number of staff activities for the commission on disability and bills been kind enough to invite me to a number of their meetings i attended in november the same day i received a newsletter from the boston m p o saying that there were technically assistance available to communities so we talked to the commission about what they might like to learn about or what we could possibly apply for that might further their goals and we discussed very briefly the other item that i brought to their attention which was the parking study and the consultant from p c noted that almost all the parking spaces that were labeled tandy kept parking downtown are not handicapped accessible so we thought it would be interesting to learn what is truly handicapped accessible what isn't what is it handicapped accessible crosswalk because in crossing how why does a sidewalk have to be how much can there be in the sidewalk before it ceases to be accessible so we asked for a walk  audit training our intention is to invite town officials townspeople i'd love to get some of the students from the high school that were involved in the master plan who were very interested in walking around town involved in learning citizens you know people with disabilities and it's just you know some people on the committee and have stated that they're so frustrated that some of the van striping her on the wrong side of the road are on the wrong side of the parking spot so that people go in there and then maybe they could get in but now they can't get back into their vehicle so this will be wonderful that  sharon you know gave the energy to find this grant for the town to make it better thank you so look forward to getting your invitation and if you can join us we'd be delighted to have you come thank you can i can i just ask one question because a certain involved in a couple projects on the p word we've gone into towns to upgrade facilities in there are costly no i'm not saying this because we don't want to do it but just about every new england town has handicapped use right and if you do a study and you go around and say these are all the issues eventually it's going to be a price tag to fix i'm saying that you know we want everyone wants to go in that direction but it's not affordable to most towns once it's on the block oh if this complaint this study would come up with a document that said we've gone through x y and z areas in these are this study would drain line issues the commission town officials and interested citizens how to evaluate in the field whether something was accessible or not whether the commission then takes that knowledge and produces a report as you have indicated detailing with all the specific problems i don't know if that's the next step though what i did if i may it's more in the nature of helping us to be more sensitized to these issues and train so that we don't make mistakes in the future rather than do what you're suggesting video is sometimes happens requires remedial action that we can't afford to do so this is much more prospect of forward looking and i really applaud sharon do whose fathers yet another grant i think is the fourth one now and the disabilities commission for you know working with shar partner on those groups the result is going to be really increased awareness we made a terrible mistake up on the common when we you know we painted kept accessibility spaces that are actually a hazard to people trying to use them and it was because anybody intentionally did that obviously is because they didn't understand so now hopefully we won't make those mistakes in the future so this you know hopefully would be a good education for us thank you mr pic us ok thank you again and they actually i think it's  as if we the next item is we have the cra the purposes and just before we introduced i had asked for the craft organization to come this is based on a couple meetings that we've had leading up to this and some of the basic questions where it's craft organization is  of the larger developments in town where i we right now with full build out how the numbers working out from what we projected for me the revenue all those things what's any issues with public safety and has that been address right how can we help each other and in the future what do you see as trends this is a good mix of retail and restaurants in the future one five ten years we're going in the same direction are you i say we but are you looking to continue what you're doing or is there going to be a phase two or three in it and i think the overall thought was is if we could better understand the next step on both of us how we get it understand it better and maybe help each other i think it's just a much easier process i think was october the end of october we talked about among other things having some better lines of communication between the stadium and and the town but and vice versa and we talked in particular at the time about having some proactive dialogue with this board and with the various political boards depending upon the topic so to avoid surprises down the road and i think that's to that end that's why we're here tonight to talk about a  and also the trader joe's transfer there was a lot of comments in a constant message from both series of public meetings about a feeling that there's too many local licenses at your place in that concentrated area it's  a burden on the public safety personnel and we took those comments very seriously we researched them independently as well as externally with the police department and what we found you know you'll see a picture that hopefully will bridge that gap between perception and in reality a presentation type of brian to go through is solely peter place so whether you see revenue generation jobs licenses or changers at all we're just here again in the spirit of having better communication and hopefully shedding some light on that perception so ryan is the g m of paper place he has a presentation  you and in we have it on the agenda for about forty five minutes and this is something if it's going to go longer i don't mind it going longer but would you think your presentation is ten minutes to half an hour i'd say about fifteen minutes and that's ok we move quickly you and there were significant commentary you know that came from the born appearance of increased police activity and general concerns about public safety appear to place what i like to do tonight is hopefully provide some perspective on patriot place in terms of what we the craft group and the town thought about the development prior to the start of construction in two thousand and six specifically with regard to public safety impact discuss where we are in the relation to those expectations in touch on the contribution this unique shopping dining in a detainment center makes to the town of foxborough as well as surrounding communities that page or place touches i want to set expectations of the folks of this discussion will be on public of referring to it frequently throughout my presentation i want to ensure that all members of the board and the public are familiar with the document notice the cough report the report prepared by larry coffin associates is a fiscal impact analysis picture place development commission by the foxboro board of selectmen back in two thousand and six the cough report was presented to the board in february two thousand and seven and it provided detailed analysis and projections for public safety impacts cost projections revenue projections as well as indirect in secondary impacts to the town that would result from the initial build out in full build out of patriot place the board of selectmen at that time commissioned this study due to concerns they had with cost estimates for the town services as presented by the craft craft group during the prove a process for pager a place the report was very specific in terms of the town staffing level requirements for both police and fire to handle public safety impacts as pay to place approached and ultimately reached full buildout ultimately the current the cough report serves as a basis for initial payment of one point four million dollars from the craft group to the town of foxborough during two thousand and seven and two thousand and eight which allowed the town to ramp up both services and staffing in these key service areas to prepare for this development and additionally a one hundred forty thousand dollars annual supplemental assessment to offset public safety costs appear to place each year going forward for ten years pager places made for but supplemental payments since two thousand and nine there are six remaining annual payments to be made to the town under this commitment totaling an additional eight hundred forty thousand dollars at this point i would like to point out that the full text of the cough report will be available at patriot place website and in fact my entire presentation deck will be available the patriot place website of the conclusion of my presentation again there was much discussion about the in the various public forums we've we've had about picher place recently about the impact liquor licenses have had a picture place so i'd like to review the current status of licensed establishment in patriot place currently we have fourteen liquor license businesses at patriot place representing a broad range of shopping dying in entertainment uses including family friend to restaurants like red robin studio three at the cinema deluxe c the olive garden and the bluefin a bass pro shops saga hibachi steak house will be another exciting addition of this category when it opens later in the summer we also have a number of full service and high end dining restaurants all of which are joe's picture places work extremely hard to provide the most unique offerings of dining and entertainment options to the millions of gas to see it as the most distinct dining district in this area all of these businesses are thriving through the very hard work of owners and operators many of whom are in attendance here tonight to focus a little bit more on the issues of public safety and the impact patriot place has in both town police and fire resources i want to first discuss the total number of pages play specific calls that involve police responses during two thousand and a twelve month site analysis provided by chief o'leary patriot place experienced a total of eight hundred ninety five police related calls from july first two thousand and eleven through june thirtieth two thousand and twelve the town's fiscal year of these calls two hundred fifty one or less than thirty percent resulted in either a custody or arrest the remainder of calls represented a variety of standard responses such as fire alarm calls motor vehicle accidents etc the total calls to pay to place may be further adjusted down depending on additional analysis that we will work with the chief regarding stadium event day activity medical calls and calls handled by on site pay details but for the purpose of this presentation will use the more conservative number of eight hundred ninety five police related calls as i mentioned earlier the town's two thousand and seven impact analysis by the cough group provided a projection patriot place were projected to amount to twelve hundred calls per year for fiscal year that we analyzed pager place experience eight hundred ninety five calls such calls which represent less than seventy five percent of the instances rejected by the town commission cough report we recognize the chief may have different reporting measures and if asked for a total number of calls pictures the number may vary but we are confident that the any measure patron place is well below the town's own projection for police related calls several restaurants at pager place also employed police details on weekends and busy nights these details are paid in full by the individual restaurants page your place has coordinate with chief o'leary for an additional paid on site walking detail each weekend night and during special dates where restaurant traffic typically increases together with patriot place pay detail and additional three hundred fifty thousand dollars  annually on added police details of patriot place which are at no cost burden to the taxpayers this isn't top of the one hundred forty thousand dollars a patriot place pays as a supplemental assessment of public safety as required from projections of the two thousand report it's also safe to assume that a percentage of the eight hundred ninety five police cut related calls receive response from the paid police details who are already on site further reducing the fiscal impact on taxpayers from public safety calls a picture place now to put these numbers in perspective when we look at the total guest count for all the restaurants visited during two thousand and twelve pitcher place which is  approx one point eight million guest visits the number of police related calls represents only five one hundred percent of the total guess visits to pay to place restaurants in other words for development of pa replace size in the significant food and beverage business our tenants generate there are significantly smaller public safety incidents relative to what other developments of this size are experiencing with respect to s activity again the cough reported two thousand and seven projected a thirteen percent increase in fire rescue related calls to patriot place or poc proximately three hundred sixty five calls per year or about one per day for all of fiscal two thousand and twelve page replace experience two hundred twenty two such fire rescue calls or just sixty percent of the number of projected a full build up by the cough report most if not all of these medical calls came from the health care center and  fully reimbursable to the town for the transported patient in at nine hundred dollars per transport it's also important that the fire call number is based on picture place in some reports for fire and rescue activity during the period and that we have yet to receive a fiscal year and report from foxboro fire chief roger hadfield of the total police related calls in two thousand and twelve we have to acknowledge that that some number of those who are related to the service of alcohol at license establishment support your place while the exact number cannot be gleaned from the chiefs report my team and i have worked vigorously with the restaurant operates to eliminate any incidents that are related to over the over service or underage service of alcohol to that end this slide outlined some of the programs we as a landlord employ with all of our restaurant students are sure that the safe and responsible serves of alcohol is front and center when it comes to the operation of each and every venue pick your place provides on site team coalition certification training team is the technique for effective alcohol management this program is something that we embrace both at the stadium and throughout patriot place as it goes far beyond the basic standard of service safe or tips training required by the state of massachusetts we also provide professional security support for all license venues twenty four hours a day seven days a week we sponsor annual awareness seminars in campaigns on the safe service of alcohol working together as i mentioned earlier despite what are relatively small numbers of alcohol related incidents at picture places for development of its size we are not resting on our laurels we are continuously working with our restaurants on programs to ensure the safe service of alcohol currently we were viewing the following programs which may be implemented in the very near future we are interviewing in an alcohol service consultant to help us provide comprehensive training on a regular basis which would be mandatory mandatory for all license holders and their staffs we're working on it stablish a council or form of license holders a pager place where ideas and solutions for safe service of alcohol will be shared among licensees in a peer group environment as well as sharing with community alcohol service and foresman officials including the a b c c recently on new year's eve we piloted a safe ride home program where we made available car service for any guest at any restaurant providing and provided a free safe ride home that evening we had fourteen guests take advantage of this program to me that was fourteen drivers who we assisted to make a sound decision not to be on the roadways that evening and recently i sent a letter to mr the chief investigator for the massachusetts alcohol beverage control commission in the letter i was outlining the various programs that picture place as landlord is working with our restaurants on with regards to safe service of alcohol i wanted both m support for our tenant programs and a follow up conversation with mr mahoney i asked him directly if he had any knowledge of shopping center landlords throughout the commonwealth who have implemented programs to provide support for the safe service of alcohol he clearly told me that no rita development has ever taken such steps moving on to the financial benefit the pager place provides to the town i want to briefly touch here on that and the fact that there are two reasons first when the town officials and fox were residents chose to approve the development of paper place it was an economic development initiative the goal was for a development that would generate enough revenue to both offset any impact on services and generate incremental revenue for the town again referencing the fiscal impact from the two thousand and seven cough report page replaces direct revenue to the town for the fiscal year ending two thousand and twelve is fifty cent fifty percent above the revenue projections of the cough report in two thousand and seven a full build out our revenue benefits to the town a well ahead of projections despite picture place not being fully least it's important to note the patriot place is exceeding revenue projections in commitments to the town despite having opened the center in the worst retail leasing environment and worst economic downturn in decades the town is receiving significantly more revenues than projected while patriot places experience lee experiencing current market rents that are far below original projections for the project in two thousand and six and two thousand and seven also note that the revenue numbers they're about to show you in these slides are generated only by patriot place and its tenets it does not contain any revenue from gillette stadium the new england patriots revolution or other stadium events when we break down the sources of revenue we the slide killelea indicates that most of the towns revenue comes from patriot place comes in the form of awfully two million dollars in real estate taxes in yulee this is shown in the green bar on this chart the next largest revenue source for the sound is the hotel occupancy tax generated by the renaissance hotel and spa which has seen occupancy levels far exceeding their plans this is seen in the blue bars the third largest source of revenue for foxboro is the restaurant meals tax paid directly to the town here shown in purple in two thousand and twelve this represented three hundred twenty five thousand dollars in revenue and as i previously mentioned the annual supplemental assessment for public safety represents another one hundred forty thousand dollars in revenue paid directly by patriot place to the town of foxborough this is represented by the orange bar it's important to note the two of the three largest streams for the town in terms of revenue hotel occupancy and meals tax are very much aligned with patriot place is existing growth opportunities with regards to future development as it relates to the current  environment and retail developments this next chart shows the combined revenues from the previous chart and demonstrated that by two thousand and ten patriot place has contributed revenue to the town that exceeded those projected by the cough report for full build out by two thousand and twelve net revenues exceeded original projections by fifty percent and we are looking to grow that number by attracting new businesses to patriot place as i described the beginning of the presentation i would be focusing on public safety impacts and revenue but at which i just contrasted those relatively low numbers of the fiscal and it impact public safety with the high number of  number of revenue for the town but i want to make sure we don't leave the impression the patriot place is a dining and entertainment destination exclusively the impact of patriot place is felt in many other areas the foxboro and many other communities possibly impacted by this development in terms of employment picture places created thousands of jobs during one of the most challenging unemployment periods in our history to date we've created over three thousand retail and hospitality jobs local foxborough businesses are provided preferential consideration as contractors and vendors working with patriot place and we can honestly say without question that the business at patriot place collectively of the largest employers of fox for high school students in the town in terms of health care we brought world class health care to foxboro with the bring in women's mass general health care center from day surgery to primary care and urgent care this medical center has made a significant impact on both socially and medically to the communities that they serve the hall a patriot place is provided over one thousand five hundred foxborough students with free field trip since two thousand and eight local boys and girl scout troops are provided free education in merit badge events at bass pro shops at patriot place p play schedules over two hundred fifty free family activities festivals clinics and community center programs each and every year like the hall art gallery bass pro shop the nature trail and cranberry bog fourteen screen movie theater and ice skating rink offer a unique experience that can't be found anywhere else as we said up front the goal here was to put a little perspective on the reality gap versus the  perception regarding patriot place and most specifically public safety i also want you in the residents of foxboro to know the pitcher place is succeeding despite the challenges we've seen with the retail in commercial real estate economy since we open a well ahead of projections and we're equally proud of the success we've achieved as the region's premier destination for shopping entertainment in donnie world class health care anchor retailers like bass pro shop and trader joe's i look forward to more exciting opportunities for both patriot place and the town of foxborough in the future and i also look forward to sharing those this story this ongoing story with you thank you brian appreciate that nice job just so early this morning i met with brian and dan in the group over it and they had asked linda to come and kevin was there and chief o'leary was there and as linda to come just because i didn't have the institutional knowledge going back to two thousand and six and two thousand and seven with the with the reports that were done in all the projections and i think we spent probably almost two hours going over your numbers asking the chief if if things seem like what you're saying is what is he was experience and i thought it was a good meeting at least it brought me up to speed with a lot of stuff that was he discussed back in two thousand and six and seven through the construction to where we are now and i think it's nice to see a snapshot because like i said today when things come in front of us we get a lot of input from the residents and it just puts it in a bit different perspective when you have the  history we can certainly open this up to anyone from the public if you want to talk you guys talk to me or anyone from the audience that would want to participate or ask any questions words a public meeting if you just could just introduce yourself to mccarthy from three seven cell street i just don't understand why the fire department is so close to the access road they don't have a device they can be pried through and go right into the we actually do have that that would drop the concept them sometimes if it's pending on where the actual incident is that will determine either we're going to use that access to go one of the others there was a fly earlier on with the actual and they haven't let me have a sense but i have to tell you that that when you think about the earlier discussion we're talking about the gentleman who was so passionate about the town in about the you know  the public areas and i have to tell you that these guys that the landlords the craft group are the beslan ones either perhaps because the first thing they ask is well what are we supposed to do what are the of independent restaurants don't have that kind of support so make sure that you get everything in line and you do everything possible to do but more importantly that they always ask what's the right thing you know and if if you look at this presentation there's there's always some kind of affair this isn't there there's the irish festival there's the cranberry festival there's always something that has made this place a very public place for your town i don't live in this town but i see anywhere between fifteen and three thousand people week and i tell you what they are protected and they're safe because of what these guys do so  first of all i have never really understood where this antagonism towards patriot places come from in the town as you saw the numbers are outrageous  interaction with us they're very strict when it comes to enforcing the liquor laws i think you know we hear more from patriot place management than we do from the town or from the police department or the fire department about you need to be diligent so that you know rest assured that they're doing their job to make sure that we're doing our jobs the other thing that i'd like to point out is that each and every restaurant instance heavily involved with the y m c a teaching kids how to grow food you know how you don't have to chicken make not get you can get something out of the ground the taste good chef plant seeds with the kids kids come and work with us picking weights they harvest they come back to the restaurant they they cook meals that's all part of this healthy starts initiative with the haka mark why you know we donate thousands of dollars every year to various community organizations so what you're seeing you know pick your place does their part but each of the restaurants within leverage on top of that so there's a magnifying effect that goes far beyond the even pretty remarkable numbers that brian presented so i think it's important for the town to rock nicette you know without the patriot place development all these things are happening and those things are either happening and other communities and the economic benefit is going to other communities or they're not happening at all so that's all i want to do their job bill you you and patty were the one of the first restaurants in there that you were the only disabled veterans actually they're not disabled they're severely injured most of them wheelchair double triple a betes and i was at the last veterans conference in january and talking to some of them after the fact they couldn't talk enough about the whole experience and being at patriots place as you know veterans that are in wheelchairs every single part of that establishment they could use board for discussion questions and will go in a circle but if anyone wants to take the opportunity to ask questions i mean it's facts the facts i mean i think the income obviously the revenue to the towers obviously up something like you pointed out in the mills to you know tell tax and just a comment i worked with all of the restaurant owners and also representatives from the kraft organization on the liquor license regulations update along with and dave brown and i just want to say that the input from all of the business owners you know i felt like the dialogue was really good i appreciated their suggestions as we were trying to improve our regulations and could see the commitment that they had to ensure that the management of services really done as well as possible so i just wanted to thank all of the business owners who participate in that and also that have to organization for that i think this was a really good presentation very informative presentation you know again i think our focus on public safety it's number one on all of our list think you know would be interesting to have more discussion on the topic and you know knowing our budgetary impact of our police force for example and you know the types of budgetary request that are being made i think that's it leads to these types of discussions about the need for public safety due to the impact while the numbers are you know minuscule compared to the numbers of visitors who come to our town that's a great accomplishment for all of the businesses who are able to provide safe alcohol service and again i think that needs to be recognized we're very fortunate in that way there are many other statistics i think that i think we need to take a look at also in terms of public safety in general just you know as we work to support our public safety officials and in handling that because you know it is certainly there and something that i think needs to be addressed still makes and mass general had an option on that they exercise that option because they needed to expand and in the first phase of that expansion on that floor and probably the biggest demand that the health care center  has is for primary care and that is where they're focusing that entire floor for primary care and some other specially clinics but you're right mark it is a thriving medical center and  addition to urgent urgent care it was a huge benefit to to to the area the community fox for just this past saturday they they expanded their hours to open at eight a m to to handle the increased demand and so that was not in the original plan right urgent care and care was not right so when you look at the numbers and it says so many calls are incidents people going up there because of that incident that adds to the incidence as well i think when absolutely is the best task and i think chief outfield handle it well of the some we need to do in the future to to make maintain that service we will be again the good news is we're again we're still showing numbers whether  chiefs numbers are less than our numbers but certainly still you know where the projections were in terms of a full build up so kevin do you want to add him soon thank you just a comm appreciate what being a blind have done for someone you know we've had a long and a tough year no doubt about it but it's easy because it's our nature as people to focus on the negative and lose sight of the positive because it just tends to be what we do in our families in our work in our business dealings is what we do but indeed the craft organization of companies aka the patriots is our largest business partner they are unique asset to this community after all how many communities small communities have an n f l franchise and a patriot place in their community and the things the good things that this company brings to this community are enormous both from a revenue point of view and from a lot of other points of view there's a lot of things that you fellows didn't talk about and i view my to focused on like all the time that you've been there for some period of emergency with a light sets idea of things generators and all that it's important for us to remember as a community that the things that join us with our business partners craft organization invensys those things that join us are far bigger and more important than the things that divide us from time to time it's important understand the company's going to be here a long time fox sport is going to be here for a long long time there's a lot of opportunities that we can accomplish together what's good for business in a lot of instances is also good for the community and it's searching out those when wins that's the nature it's the heart of  business community relationships i think we've got an outstanding wonderful bright future between us and i'm really glad that we can start to get into a different mindset and a different footing and start to look at those one wins because there's lots of them so kudos to both you guys in your staff because i know there's some folks here from the organization as well supporting you kudos to you for coming here and doing this tonight because i'd like to think this is the start of some very good things your committee is one that started before the class report even came out and you certainly have the history till so you you know we were presented with the vision that the crafts had then i think we've we've seen it basically come to fruition unfortunately times have changed a little bit and some of you are your buildings over there remain  empty but of lou that world that will turn around it was interesting what interested me this morning was how you've done research and you know what people are spending money on and it's not necessarily going shopping to that story they're going on line it's at euro but they are going out to eat taking their families out for entertainment they're spending that you know that money that way so that that's still a part of the family values and i think that the restaurants that you folks have up there and and maybe well in the future i think that that's what it's good to and i appreciate that you know there's there's an elephant still in the room and it's still in town is you know could maybe you tell me that there is no casino in the future of patriot place i'm just going to say that because i don't put you on the spot brian dan but i think it needs to be said because i'm out there trying to get votes to come back to the table and that's that's still the first question people ask me you know when you do you want to you know because you know i just if you could just publicly state yes now when i'm october in the fall we said it in in december mr crafters said it we we brought an opportunity without were knopper to new to the town business development opportunity it zero world class partner with it we said from the beginning if the town didn't want to we wouldn't pursue it the town voted may loudly unilaterally we stopped in may and i can look you in the eye and tell you that we haven't had a single meeting about gaming in foxboro and we haven't had we haven't had a single discussion about bringing gaming to foxborough sense bay and that's the truth we that i didn't mean to play on the spot but that's sort of my job right now thanks thanks dan so what's coming up for parole then guys i mean be you know is dan mentioned looking across the street and developing the parcels over there is is something missing on but again when the appropriate opportunity arises we know the process here whether it be go in fro you know anything is possible because it is a very dynamic industry retail development and we have got to stay in front of the challenges that are that are still there this is a very it's still a very tough economy retail is still you know a major challenge we have been very fortunate by the success of the restaurants as you can see in the other revenues generated in the work that the folks that are in this in this room tonight have done to make place a very successful option for folks to come down in joy but as part of that you know my team has to do a lot of work to what we call manufacture traffic and manufacturing traffic is a skating rink is  a is a cranberry bog is a nature trail is is festival is is palu two that's coming up in march you know that is what's required in this industry not just to pay to replace that's what's really happening across the country in retail development as it is the  changing landscape of what type of developments will be coming down the road because it is amazing what you're seeing happening from colleges using retail developments for satellite campuses to you know any host of very unique uses so far out the network is for visitors to the established it we're very lucky that we have the you know the space to hold that that car show because it is the largest free cruise show in new england now well to grammar from best prose here today in you know when it when it started out i was a little lukewarm on it you know what it's really something that's that that's worth all the effort to to put it on well now it's a it's really a signature event for the development every other thursday evening during the summer it's it's it's wonderfully managed by by walter and and in my team too you have to allow for over two thousand cars to be on display in a given evening it is exciting to go to  see in the news this morning it was the last night home show you doing the home show yes for this movie show the twenty third now it's twenty third twenty thirty second twenty third twenty fourth which is also revolution where my wife notified me we're going to again that's more on the stadium side of event when they use the field house or the or the stadium we just had the aaa travel show this past weekend we don't we're five thousand people a day come into that i think the recent weather push people to say i want to want to figure out how to get out of town so it was a very well attended show again those are things that working with stadium where we manufacture traffic in business for patriot place i think all of my restaurant partners behind me will say that they had a great weekend because the travel show something arrangement like that up a page a place we have looked into that you know knowing what to do where it was that far afield we will continue to look at it it's you know we've we've made inquiries with peter pan on on their routes as is  foxborough something that they would like to come back to for elian and certainly they know the value of of a page or place if they would choose to do so because it was very cute was very convenient not that i'm a frequent traveler travel but it was very convenient sure  a couple more things on the on the agenda for the not much under the chairman's update other than to let you know that sent out an email we do have a cap c a p the capital improvement planning committee meeting saturday morning look at the numbers more i typically are going to see things like school buses or big capital improvements that are not on the every day operating budget of different departments so that's eight o'clock at this room saturday morning and that will run t probably about twelve wanted to touch briefly we had a meeting monday morning with the tri town chamber of commerce cheney came to that and it was it was a good meeting it was between mansfield state representatives and came to multi was there and basically what it was asking this or this organization for it was a zero or two percent low income alone and that is needed for the sewer program that we're putting together for all three towns for it to work and i thought it was a positive meeting but coming out of it there was an e mail that was sent from somebody in mansfield that it's been in politics and he's in the chamber of commerce but i just wanted to read it to the board says our towns have had their rivals over the years and those will continue but in all my years i have never seen mansfield foxborough nor in work so close and diligently on topics that would affect our communities there are other issues that we can work on together as we go forward where we can all share in the success and i just thought it was a nice e mail that it was unsolicited that was sent and i know you know a few years ago we worked at putting the veterans group together and regionalization and you know hearing and knowing the stuff whether it's water or sewer or transportation there's an incredible potential out there of the towns can work outside of their borders so that's something that i am hoping we get that low interest loan and that's go you know make or break or make that process a little easier and kevin you spoke very well at that level and it was very nice to hear just a couple other quick items what was shooting for the march nineteenth agenda with the south reasonable school coming back to talk about their budget whatever process we get through tonight with the annual tom meeting warrants will continue next week that fire department fees that were discussed to several meetings i think are going to be back on that agenda next week in the  that we've got to take care of sooner than later but i think i've i think we've put everything on there that has been talked about that's it for the update and next on the agenda that we have ok discussion of formation of a committee to review surrounding community impacts of plame bridge i was expecting to pick the actual people but i know we've asked several times for people if they were interested in being on a committee to look at plain ridge to submit applications for fill of the paperwork with sander and i think just checking i think there's three or four that have come in but i wanted this discussion with the board of do you still want to do a committee and if so do you want three people five people what type of people and what are our goals and objectives so we can kind of you know neatly package it and then next meeting appoint the people and let them run with it i have some thoughts but i wanted to open up to the board to see what you were thinking and i'm jenny i want to ask when you were part of the commission that looked at gambling back in two thousand know we had about nine people there but there were people from we had planning boyd randy was on is the treasurer i mean we had we had town officials but also we had citizens  how to make up was i right maybe it's something to consider in that was it there was a committee to see if we were bringing something into the town if we wanted it in our town right there had been a proposal and this was casinos on the surrounding towns and that was that was basically what we did i mean in this case if there's a concern for example of impact on our roads maybe having somebody from d p w participate one of those lines you know they're having a traffic consultant look at local roads and impacts and level of service where everything's coming in you know from our perspective if there's a game a vent in nobody can get on or one where they're going to come through also making sure that second level is right addressed and then they also have another r p out for a specific consultant to look at gaming because basically the local consultants you know maybe they'll go to a few surrounding places but they don't have that expertise  this expert would come in in just the reality of what the impact would be and it's not just i mean people focus on the traffic but it's you know the certain radius is around things that happen you know from divorce to whatever from gambling addiction and all that so i have someone that focuses on that and i would imagine you know rather than reinvent the wheel this committee would go out and really read those and bring it back you know there is money available if we work it through the right channels one of the gaming bylaws to hire a rogue sultans are all attorneys so it's kind of a little bit of everything well there they said  that is the fifty thousand dollars set aside by the apple the four hundred thousand dollars that the applicants and then there's fifty thousand dollars from what the mean said the other day where interrupt there was fifty thousand dollars available  for consultants from that and then there's also mitigation money from this you know money from the state but i thought there it was at least fifty thousand dollars that was available not too distant you know you'd have to you know i thought it was even surrounding communities they have that you have to be designated a neighboring community first and right then you can access the funding in order to conduct your mitigation study and then once the mitigation is study is conducted then you work with the developer to negotiate the mitigation and failing coming to an agreement because the war really doesn't put us in a strong place the host job of that so and then we also got but the committee and solicitor letters of attorneys also that would represent the committee can presumably you know part of their charge should be to look into that whole process that advise the board on you know what the what the steps they recommend are that sort of thing and whether or not they feel they need counsel because we're you know we're already getting solicitations and i don't know the just because somebody solicitor solicits us means they're the best one out there representing us but the committee probably will need some assistance to augment tom council of the town council did a pretty good grasp a lot of the issues but i think we're going to need a specialist as well no doubt about that you know part of the team but as i say this is not at all like a casino this is gigantically small three hundred odd jobs much smaller building so the impacts on would be attending all the all the meetings in regard to that and i would hope that they would be welcomed by the time by the time plainville you know is part of the you know on the mailing list to be known you know i mean that would be something that i would really ask mr fernandez to accommodate us when i can alluded to that at the meeting and he was quick to point out and i agree this isn't his show it's the appalachian show so the end of the day if the applicant sends his application and he says either we're not in a budding community or without happy it's it's really up to him to kind of work it out with us you know joe mr f i'm sure would let us know what the meetings are the public meetings but i think our committee would be charged with working directly with the applicant going back and independent of plainville and i think he spoke well when it came to the impacts he had so i make a motion we form a committee to be for citizens and five people from boys and tell one from mad corps one from planning board that they want to be if you know if these people want to be part of it or not strong on anybody do you think we need finance if well let me suggest this to you  i think you don't want staff to be voting numbers i think you want staff to be important exactly support members and so i think there's two or three staff members that are pretty obvious that are going to need to help out plan staff we need i mean it's social services as i'll be the biggest one yet because they're the ones from what i understand the deal with the issues down the road i'll be honest with you i think all the staff people pretty much across the board are going to need to do some assessment work for the committee and make reports to them because i don't see that maybe one or two exceptions i don't see any staff and i was going to departments that aren't going to be affected minimally but the point is they wouldn't be on the committee would reach seven residence i think when we're looking at it my preference would be have somebody in there was some legal experience somebody and there was some development experience that the people that have contacted me and i'm fine with that i don't know if other people have wasn't that we had to worry about what he was going to vote on after the fact well in this case you don't really have any votes because the neighboring community and of the under the regulation in the statute really no votes are going to be i would guess since this is your committee this committee's intent is to come back to you yes so that with some kind of a get or actively from what's in front of us so the board can take a look at that and make some decisions about what litigation you feel is appropriate  and then the negotiating process begins on your behalf whether that ends up being a committee function of staff function of special counsel function i don't know but that's sort of after you've you mail it out to us and we can't really talk about it offline if you've got an objection to it let kevin know and if there's objections then we'll have it on at the next meeting you know it w of some staff and put as well about you know what is it that this committee would look into some obvious things but it's going to be others and we're trying to have that put together and on your agenda for next time so you can look at the charge and add subtract leaders you think is appropriate make sense right so are we drawing on motion and all because for on the agenda for the next meeting is there anyone here that wanted to be on the committee that has any input you want to add anything dialogue going i don't know if you guys need to do anything vote on it now i think if you wait till march nineteenth you're yeah no we're taken kevin you wanted you had one meeting already right you're talking about that i had a meeting with  person indicated to them plainly that we consider ourselves a neighboring community now the regulation which really is how the gaming commission is going to decide who's a neighboring community is not finalized yet that's still in process so it's not clear what you have to do that this point to be designated a neighboring community to sort of a presumptive right if you're a reg and see if maybe we just want to get something in there on the record saying right may not be done yet but we're just serving notice on informally with this written document that we consider ourselves a neighboring community you know  a neighboring community are not in a formal sense yet but the fact that they reached out you know and you know and when i said we consider as he said sure you know we understand not i don't think that there's any opposition to the notion now when we get into what we chris so just to summarize so you know put the names together that we've gotten already in the office and then draft up a goes objectives and kind of a scope of what we want to accomplish with the committee yet in there will vote on that we'll put that it if you have the one labeled three one just tear it up try to get rid of it because i think we're up to a revision ten or eleven and then then there there is one that lets any guy out tonight this is a for the budget article even by the way per your request please note as we're going to one we've changed the sponsors on these to be reflective of who actually sponsor them so it's not a board of selectmen for everything but if you see anything you don't like let one has to by law radicals this is the first one this is the one that covers the the appropriation the money side of it so this is the funding for the cola this is the funding for regrade so if any and this is the funding for the if any and any related costs this will be the first you're going to the merit system so they'll be in there and since we now have a great classification system any petitions for regrets that approved would be funded here as well so it's all transparent you know the tax payers everybody sees exactly what's happening in the system for kevin for our next meeting could we get an explanation you know detail on how the merit system will work well yes a brand new merit system because the old one affectively doesn't exist there's no forms as no anything so that i guess is also a new right so before we vote it as part of this yes before you vote funding we have to create the system very right and it's pretty much done i just haven't had a chance to sit with the they shot a writer on the committee to go through and make sure that i'm satisfied with it before i presented to you ok i just want to make sure it would be presented to us before we vote yes on its own thank you so evan eight nine and ten our collective bargaining funding for agreement seven will not get acted on because we haven't even up the firefighters union yet eight is very close to settling the police nine the highway contract i'll let you know we're bargaining later this week and it looks pretty good ten we have an old one with a library yet but since that's typically a very quick negotiation i'm hoping once i get done with the police opened library and i'm still hoping i can get back on the queue but no promises on eleven thirteen is what this is the meals tax money so we have that policy that you did that distributes it sets up the percentages how much goes they'll have home which goes a road maintenance so this is the chunk that goes to oprah and very three million in there now there's a lot of other towns that are doing anything so we're head of the power curve in a way i had a question and that now this is the meals tax many and so the meals tax money is there where does it go when it's well it goes ok but in two thousand and ten which was the first time it came from free cash the first year we did that progress in two thousand and eleven it was separated into free cash water receipts and sewer receipts so this money it did the water and the sewer pay separately into opeth yes ok so if last year it was separate i think this year should also be a stake here because now that you're saying this because when the ad come looks at this and they they're going to want to know what comes of free cash what comes from water what comes you know we don't do that to later in the motion  we don't write motions probably for another month yet though because you know what there's still going to be a lot of changes in the budget and this is this is believe it or not all those are separate articles so part of the big budget and why this was eight nine ten articles  projects and it doesn't all get settled for another three or four weeks along about the end of april is about when it gets cast in stone can change but we've had changes the night of town meeting i mean it happens you know i just want to mention at advisory committee randi sconce had done a really good update on the some legislation coming out about the opec funding if it passes then our all probability to be reduced by seventeen million dollars so it's going to be a major league change won't change this appropriation because he'll drop and fifty two million down to thirty something that will still be all years from funding it b amount of controversy about it i don't word is that something's coming out this year but what it's going to look like is going to be a lot different than what went in i can tell you that you know that if they really want to happen it to happen they fourteen is the annual logical the transfer of funds in the stabilization fund we do this every year fifteen is the consolidated personal byline oh this is the one that you asked about so there's three specific changes in here you need to be sure that you want all three of these in there the first one is a technical change for the e o language because the current language is out of date so it's got to get changed not a substantive change a technical one article this is the one that was the subject of your discussion last week so you need to look at this very carefully and make sure that this reflects whatever it is you want to propose if indeed you going to leave this in an ad com was in favor of it everybody was in favor of it and we kind of got blindsided on the floor tom meeting by some opposition that frankly nobody thought was common this year will do a lot better job preparing this my understanding from the building commissioner is that probably within a year or two this is going to be building code anyways right now it's the last thing we need to do to become a quote unquote green community and immediately score one hundred eighty thousand dollars grant for energy conservation retrofitting of fixtures and things and then be in line for a whole bunch more grant money so this is something i recommend for you for sure  is a transfer from free cash for the plane aboard a complete the master plan because you're aware they do a lot of good work but want to do some more good work and look at the some additional money twenty years the establishment of the the housing truss i think you're all familiar with that and then the rest of these twenty one twenty two twenty three twenty four twenty five twenty six twenty seven twenty eight twenty seven are all zoning out of the proposed by making an assumption here which is that the committee is going to recommend this to you and you were going to propose at the time meeting in some form you may not propose it in the form recommended you but what i'm saying is that in some way means or manner you're going to act on this otherwise you wouldn't have this article in here so you can what is it going to be ready to come in from the board who we are meeting on thursday to conduct a negotiation with them having had three meetings to get prepared for on interests appearing one maybe two negotiating meetings and then it'll be ready for you so i would say probably not this week probably going to be one more meeting  took them all up because this is still very rough this isn't a warrant this is just a draft and it's so you can have a discussion so you get one hold on article whatever was there the first article fifteen more look at this with a final warning at your next meeting now be the warrant you'll actually sign what we wanted to do tonight was get the board to not determine you know route for these articles and if there's any changes to any of them because after this there's not going to be any substantive changes not going to any new articles not going to be anything coming out they could get technical additions and deletions to it will be anything substantive changes after tonight doubtlessly get a lot larry in the ad com so they've got the substance of everything they can schedule their meetings even though some of his wording is still in flux a little bit but they're able to do their job  suggest that we make sure that we have the input that you know the employees are requesting more absolutely so that you know because whatever's written here is not based certainly with any input from them yeah yeah my feeling is it might if you need those two weeks as long as the icon knows there's an article and they know it's going to have something in it they're going to go they can start their deliberations because they could schedule this particular article for after two weeks from now when you finalize it here's a way to have to do everything else in the want would be final for that night this one wouldn't so you could have a discussion about it we literally will go on the other room and make the changes you want on the computer bring a new original warren out here and you've got to sign it that night because he will not be able to wait any longer in order to meet the legal posting deadlines and all that kind of series days prior to not include a date of or the day before an all out so your next meeting would be too late well then you want to have it at the beginning of the agenda so that the staff still had to be up enough not a problem right up and you think that assumes that you have the meeting with employees to you know that the personnel wage by law has a personal wage group has the meeting with employees to get the input or for this article correct i'm sorry if i'm not employees we would like to express our displeasure at what took place on february twenty sixth at the selections meeting for selecting publicly disrespected member group as well as the process the action is unacceptable to us in the past our group of employees were part of the process of making any changes to any of the personal wage bylaws as the second largest employer group in this town we believe that up until the last couple of years we have been part of the process we respectfully request that the board respect the established process for reviewing personal wage  bylaws and that you discontinue any discussion of changes to our benefits without our involvement in the process that my furthermore we expect you as a board to remove the warrant article pertaining or benefit changes so that we may have a meaningful discussion with the board and all involved when that's what they're saying they didn't get a chance deviously the ad but it's only going to week yeah i mean this was brought to kevin's attention at the end of january and when we talked at will we talked specific conclusions and at no time was i asked to do anything absolutely not i would invite you to review the tape well you know you know kevin when i talk to you about this at the at the advisory committee  it was mind a standing that you know i was concerned about it and i should think my concern would have been transferred to i am an elected selectman if i have a concern about something and i say something to you i should think you know something it should at least be looked at and then it was being looked at i talked with gary and you know gary white house and he had the same concerns i  so this is been an ongoing process isn't something that just happened yesterday this is been an ongoing process which i feel should have been addressed a while ago so that the employees could have had input i think mr  each of you and i realize you know we've never had this discussion but i have had it most clearly with past boards if a board member asks me to do something and it is a substantive thing is something with which i strongly disagree then i invite that board member to take that question to the board and find out what the borders with the board is on that question now if you view the  discussion of the board that night when you brought this up on the agenda it was very clearly determined that you would come back to the board with a recommendation of what you wanted to change there was no instruction to me to do anything and indeed i disagree then i disagree now i've made my position abundantly clear i think this is a bad idea i think the process is exceptionally ill advised for the reasons you saw tonight and i don't agree and so when i don't if a board member says kevin i get this idea and i said she i think that's a great idea i'll act on it and bring it to the board but if a board member says i have this idea and i don't agree i will ask you to go to the board were i will speak my mind and then if the board makes a decision i will execute it and that's the process we've been following for i think a long time if i were to take direction from one board member then i would be depriving the other four of you of the opportunity to do what you're supposed to do a select and so i have made this clear so i don't know  we've started this process gary white house is involved the wage committees involved you're involved you're involved we're getting letters and stuff it started it's i can see how it's going to end but we've got to meet it there the process and  haven't been involved in the process of changing in the past but there is a process in we've short cut it the reason we short cut it it's a matter of opinion you think it should have been addressed a little quicker you're coming back and said you know the best we c is have it on the agenda we did it but you know the discussions that's happened over the last two weeks my head is spinning everybody and nobody has taken responsibility for this because it's an issue that has to go through a process the question is specific can we get through a process between now and marginally where is respect for the employees to have that dialogue with you and with cindy and come up with something that can come back to us by the nineteenth well the the answer to the question really is in the mind of the beholder if you will in this case the nonunion employees they made a very specific request of you so is it possible to on of their or so presumably although the letter doesn't say it what i think they're saying is what they've said it very clearly they want you to take it off warrant it's no ambiguity about that what i presume they would like is what's been done in the past where there's a conversation between them the personal unwaged board its own manager and ultimately the board of selectmen about a change to their benefit structure and then that conversation that the result of whatever it generates which typically goes over quite a few months of time it's not a quick conversation comes back to you with a recommendation for a town meeting action the the manager act is fairly clear and on point instructive the manager proposes changes to the benefits of the nonunion employees in fact all employees to the board of selectmen now this process we are currently following is outside of that process not at all not saying there's a formal process that we have to follow here but you have a tradition of how you've done it in the past and this is not following your tradition so it's really a question of if you feel strongly and you want to propose this and it's on the warrant that's your call and we will of course and you have asked me to write it and i have written it in proper language but i have questions i think that this task be changed made is deafening needs to be changes made but if fairness to them they need to be put off because it's been rushed it was i ended up with not originally it was not rushed this was brought up at the end of january at the end of january this was noted by the advisory committee this was no by the personal waged by a large chairman it was noted by me and it was impossible to you the end of january i'm afraid that the town employees think that this is just something that came up like last week or something and we're trying to get them in that is not true this this was talked about in the end of january well you know if what you're talking about tradition traditionally in years past when a slotman talk to the town ministre or of the town manager about something it was attended to that's the tradition of the town of there is a benefit in here that has no cap on it right so if someone wants to take five classes times whatever times ten employees there's going to be a and you know it is what it is because it's in the  you i should say shame on because it's in there for a reason you know what the reason was it could have been they might have given up something on the other side to get it i don't know but the fact is in there now it's come to light if we put this off until september we setting us up for everyone taking this benefit and then we're saying well we should have handled it there well here's the goodness of that here's the good news if there's any in this by postponing it until a special in the fall you're not costing yourself the town is not costing itself any money because they had no at monetary loss to the town by reading it off to the wall so this is a situation where you can take your time you can proceed deliberately there is no reason to create a rift with employees you can have that courteous respectful dialogue you can come back in the fall with a change to this which by the way i have yet to detect a single employee who objects to changing us not one their concern is the process but they agree that this needs to be changed so i think you will find a very willing cooperative partners in changing this but they would like the respect of that dialogue so that we can bring this back in the fall changers special time meeting prior to december thirty first when presumably employees would make their request for the new fiscal year in two thousand and fourteen so the only thing that could result in the town paying money under this i think you know given that it's not going to impact us financially then that does open up the opportunity that we can honor that process and so i'm going to make a motion to strike goggle fifteen from the annual telemark but if you could not strike the first two know i just want to say we were aware of the e e o c and the other thing because it's federally mandated so we all understood we will explain those to us today so they were federally mandated they have to be change we don't have a choice  never gave i just want to say for fear of war because we will end up changing us and jenny i assure you this will be changed very much like you've done in mine and gary has in mind but we will do it in a way that at the end of the day everyone will say that's board the employees were acutely aware of what was discussed that night there was a tremendous amount of discussion following the meeting that night because that's the first time the benefit was discussed about being changed and employees were acutely aware that i had a conversation with the department heads following that when we went through the entire warrant and talked about all the different articles that were in it but there was a subsequent meeting which open discussion a meeting that occurred today which i was not a party to specifically i don't know what happened so the technical borlaug play once you're talking about were discussed in department head we handed them out to all department heads asked them to bring them back to their staff if there were any comments or concerns to get back to me by a certain date then today i just made sure all the nonunion staff were aware because we were discussing it tonight so that there wouldn't be any issues so they it did sort of happen in like a two or three tiers it was handed out department head they were told to hand it them whether it's the departments or triggers than that used to be your rule correct or the process that i would recommend is you know it sounds like cindy has control over it now that if that if if the article is coming up and it has to do with nonunion personnel that you will do the trickle down effect through the department managers no actually the very first step was presenting it to  managers role is to is to have a discussion with whoever if i agree with the change if i agree propose it to the board that's what's in the in this matter dropped and then the board debates and decides if you want to act on it or not in other words it's a mutual discussion between the manager and the board of selectmen however if the employees want to have their own meeting and talk about any subject they want to talk about off town time they have every right to do so and not invite me if they don't want to then that's a meeting that happened to me and it happened today on their dinner break and hours their decision ok so so cindy you presented this the boilerplate language to kevin when was that right i want to bring up two questions kevin on the articles one is back a ways to him the internet done a study of the streets and how they were a number of streets that had not been on here because i think the list was pretty long and i thought we were going to start trying to take chunks of them there's no way i could resurrect that gets going to give out fast because it's not just a matter of taking the story up thing and then you get to maintain  plot well it's not even that it's that you have to have a legal description of the street it's not enough to say would you accept brown i have some under some circumstances it is ok to say that under others you get to have a little description so it's not a ones that were kind of complicated but not so bad and then the ones that were just incredibly complicated and i we did some of the easy ones i know that because we picked up i think we picked up about a thirty plus thousand dollar increase in chapter ninety money because of that and then there was a second batch and we just haven't had time it seemed like there were a lot of them so i just thought you know maybe if we could just read that process again as i had other there's an easy one still left out there that we could consider looking at i would be happy to track ok sure they'll give you plenty of time to do the investigation you know probably the other question i had for an article when we did the town essay review committee update and we talked about the old recreation building  you know that they need that there would be to go to town meeting for approval to start the process i think for whatever state legislation you know to get authorization so that  honestly it's been put out there as a potential slight for the new regional dispatch center because it would be a great use of it a list somebody else has a better use of it but it would be a great use for potentially so if the report comes back and that should be done within four or five weeks and it says hey that would be a great site then that's something that comes of the time for us to consider if you want to do it  than that honestly i can't think of any use and it's so it sort of becomes a discussion between you and i encourage you to talk to the planning board to the master plan to see if anybody thinks there's a use for it you know before and then if not then we can get the legislation to clear a surplus and sell it so look at that potentially for a fall depending on what played out some other potential one for for sure and thank you i say that's probably one your committee wants to take i got it well that is why i was asking because it is something we want to motion made second for the discussion with gratitude was a favor i carry five zero second grant was for forty three thousand and forty thousand five hundred thirty four from the state nine eleven department to be used to supplement cost for the operation which in their good conscience they felt they should give to the community it says in the letter that it's for the purposes for public safety training really vary but because as you know you have no power to require payment by a violator that would unlawful and stricken down by a b c c i just try to think there was but if their conscience troubles them and they want to give a gift they can do that we don't have all the attorney fees and they say it's going to be under this amount thousand was under two thousand kevin said the meeting and that goes directly to you know that situation doesn't own the budget enough and it's a different scenario it's completely but they do have to you should tell us who are accountable is paid up that's well  say well i can tell you that they offered to make you a gift and they made the gift in the amount they offer that night right plus the attorney fees it was eight thousand plus attorney fees they offered to give you a gift period in an amount and they did it you had i not reimbursed your attorney's fees it's against the law so this is part of it no they offered to make you would gift i'll explain it afterwards are going to review it later ok can we hold off it's not our issue to dress to us can we draft a letter either back to them explaining that we're we're aware of it but it's with the farmers working on it war is a more appropriate and does want to start letter over to the water and   through the motion to