good evening thanks for coming the look the legislature is in this sort of midway point unofficial midway point where any bill that you want to be taken up by the other body had been passed by had to be out of the policy committee last friday and it has to be out of the money committee by this friday so there are some bill there's lots of bills that were passed last friday that are on the calendar so it's a busy week but there are more bills coming out of the money committee so if for example if there if you if you pass the bill that costs money that it has to go to the appropriations committee and so they are taking up those bills this week i think they took up to twelve or fifteen bills today i know that i was the last one to talk to them and they were not happy that he ended and they were tired and grumpy well i mean the first thing in terms of the funding stuff the ways and means committee has before into a proposal to reduce the statewide increase in property tax from seven cents hour to five cents right now and they're still looking for a way to get the other penny you know it's a little hard because with thirty five budgets failing and some of those lower than then than that so so but i think you know the kinds of things that we said at the time meeting time with a scary school but instead of that it's clearly going to be down to five maybe to four four plan is to get rid of supervisory unions for a whole bunch of reasons about why they don't work very well and so the but they're having a hearing on that tonight get rid of them in favor of one i mean get rid of them in favor of lot more of a school district here but if you have the more bigger school districts you know just because of the reasons that you know that you know that you know so much of the budget comes through the supervisory union and then nobody gets to vote on health people vote on that budget or that the executive committee right right and then it's an assessment to everybody's budget and then what happens when some budgets pass and some fail in a in a supervisory so now you've got what do you do i mean a big chunk of your budget is tied up but if you change it you change the budgets that people past you go back and change their budget and it might it's other than that it was important that right or do you take that stuff completely off the table transportation special weight technology share program take that all off the table for you know any adjustments i mean there's  here well i think i think the supervisory union really takes away from local control much more than people understand it because you don't get to vote on a big part of the budget commissioner of taxes is required to give to school boards some it in december and that is that and when the reason for that is to have to help school districts when they build their budgets to to have an idea of what tax rates might be obviously if you don't have those two numbers you can figure out the country so but the the real those the tax rate is really set by the ways and means committee and voted on in in the house and then goes over the senate and you know goes through the whole legislative process money bills always start in the house and so it's that ways and means committee is doing that if you look at the bill last year that set that it's like two pages long if it sets that the tax rate in the base and in the base education right the draft that they're working on right now which talks about lots of other things is i don't know twenty pages long eighteen pages i think this is a fairly long built and so this this is a that the the bill was sort of generated by the committee from ideas that they had you know that they had worked on like throughout the  year you know how do you understand this if you if you really want to know something somebody asked me you know what is it what is the process that the ways and means committee uses to set these rates well it's  process a they look at all kinds of things you know for example it's not just property tax it goes into education the more you know there's a general fund that goes in there's a tax rate both for homeowners and for non homeowners there's there's money that comes in from other funds like the lottery for example and other things so so this education fund is not just made up of property taxes so one of the things that has changed this year in the legislature well it started last year but this year committees have out on the legislative  web page every committee has their own individual of a page individual on the georgists committee started this last year but but the nice thing about this is that when something is brought into committee for discussion you know somebody comes in to testify and they have their written testimony that is out and gets put on the web page you can go out and you can look up all of this stuff so if you would go all to the ways and means committee there's a link on the on the legislative web page it's the second one down in the middle that says committee web pages and there's a list of all the committees in both the house and the senate you click on that one and you look under property tax i think is what they call always i mean i think that there's a whole list of things but it's not property tax it's something that you'll recognize immediately about property tax and you look in there and you'll see all the papers that that ways and means has gotten to to to make this decision and one of the things that's in there is a summary sheet a crib sheet of what they're considering if you go to the bill and look you know read the twenty pages good i mean all that legal ease it's important or you can do that they they have a one page or maybe it's a two page saying that that shows the different the different things that they're looking at and  that analyzes all the lights all the financial things that are needed for for the legislature and when the when the legislature isn't in session there is a what's that called a special committee that meets like once every six or eight weeks to be updated by the joint physical office on this book fiscal committee to discuss this thing so that's where that is sort of the answer you know of where the actual numbers come from so for example if they were well have they dealt i mean they've done this before so they bring the numbers that they know that the out there and i thought i determined that the best place to look is is that this you know this summary sheet that they have because and then if you're interested in one of the specific things about why they did that you can you know the other they're all out there now i will admit that sometimes you know it's not like that they have cross links to these all the time but it's fairly the i mean you can figure it out you might take two tries on looking at a the school annual meetings and yes some people make that kind of clear and some people don't make that clear all the various steps to take us through you know but the the real essence of it is that it's not the budget on which the taxes based it's on the education spending per equalize pupil in south here and it yeah that really just has to do with you know the mix of your students and and how much you're spending per equalised pupil if you will and that's what your tax rate gets based on and then because of the complications being in the supervisor gene and you know with it then gets adjusted by what percentage of your kids from your district mansfield percent are still here the id district right there and then it gets a you know that the common level of appraisal so that there is fairness from town to town in terms of what with your house value is  is so yeah it is it's a complicated formula this checkpoint somebody made to me last week is the that's the previous formula of the foundation formula nobody knew nobody understood it but but but it's a different time down people feel like they ought to be able to understand the formula but but nobody understood the old formula but you know what people feel like they should be able to understand this and you know that that's a problem is clearly you know the complications largely come from trying to build in fairness but it's it is you know a lot of steps you go through in those presentations for a lot of years for mommy and stuff to go so you know one time long before i think any of us were paying school taxes you know you you met and you voted on a budget for your school and then you divided that by the grand list and that was tax free because basically all the money for to run your li local school came from your community and as soon as the as soon as money started coming in from other places like the state where they had to divide it up amongst all school districts you know the  the formulas started getting a little you know more than just one division is is what among the two and as george said you know the previous formula was difficult some people you know understood it well enough to have a general idea i was on the school board at that time and felt that i on a least understand it enough so i knew but what i learned quickly especially at the first annual meeting was that even though i thought i might be able to understand it explaining it to somebody was a complete different different situation so you know the whole point gets around to if if we are dividing up the first if you know that right now in the state of vermont we have one pool of money that pays for education this education fund and so which is which is controlled in montpelier and as i said there's many different things that put money into it it's not just property taxes and so you have to decide on how do you take that money and divided amongst of dividing up the money that's what was chosen and the first year that x sixteen happened if you look back check the east came out like a rose they just their tax rates went down based on that formula the only year it happened but it was the first year so that for whatever it is you know that all those things that go into the deciding at the stars are all in line for that school to chip in east the stars are just the opposite this year for chicken a nice you know they're all just the opposite way but we have  that has worked out well for i think for the schools and shit in the east is is doing up by by dividing up by cost per pupil up until the last two years and you know you can decide you know why the have i mean a it is identifiable why it happens it doesn't make it any easier to do and it also you know brings you to wanting to make changes i agree senator introduced a bill to legalize marijuana it's a fairly short built home last year last session we had somebody in th house but it didn't go and it has gone nowhere in the senate either no one is said to have a lot of discussion on it i mean that did not official discussion but this question of folks people but but that is one of those bills that the term in the legislatures it's a it's been hanging on the wall and all that means is that when a bill gets assigned to a committee there's a little piece of paper that has the bill number and that name up but when you stick it up on a had any you know so it makes you force when peace is is my more difficult so i've been away for about eight weeks so i'm kind of part of touch internally but it's bill about marijuana is is this is talking about just so so this bill is basically you know like colorado  yes last year the bill was passed that the small amount which is what number do i don't announce it is it is decriminalized so that if you get it if you're stopped and you have that love the find a way we could let our family farmers grow the supply and you know in some ways would be a boon to tourism comes with all sorts of other problems but you know but so i'm not i  well i don't know how i would vote but i i am always a if if people haven't have something that they're interested in introducing the bill does not hurt and discussion because you've you can't have a complete discussion on it with without doing that so i don't say that you just don't have discussions on it you know they'll introduce a bill and have discussion so i'm willing to do that but and the on the flip side of that there are some bills that get introduced that i just don't feel that this is the year to take them up and it could be for a multiple reasons one is is the amount of time it takes to do it and there's a lot of other bills that i feel are more important t ake a lot of time you know because of that some fields are introduced that would be a good idea but they cost money and we don't have the money this year so there's a whole realm of reasons of of how you decide whether big before you ever get to the point about whether you're going to vote for it for it or not now i agree there are some there's there are some things that have that i have always supported so that when the build the new traduce i would be you know could could say right away that i would support it but this one is i think will it be a good as gushing would be good and there's you know the a lot to consider this it's going to take a while to sort out and then the particulars of what came out i think would be critical so you know i think my general approach is to try to keep an open mind until we form a plan and then and then you can have a little better idea whether it's something powerful  in the end they're going to really make decisions about whether this is something that is affordable and good for from our in the meantime they're doing all sorts of other things like they now approve or disapprove hospital budgets or hospital certificate of need applications for big  panshin nurse that sort of thing surance rates they're doing all that sort of stuff so it sort of is putting the responsibility in one place and then act forty eight also  started the ball rolling towards whether we're going to have this universal health care system or not and where it stands right now is that we're in the world of dueling actuaries right this minute so the administration hired a university of massachusetts they got some actuaries and they put out a report of you know what the the the price tag would be to do groups involved with it and they they came out with a significantly higher number of what this is going to cost and so you know at this point rather than say to pick one those folks will have started meeting together to try to come to a common agreement about what the price tag and then the next step is ok how are we going to pay for this and you know by the original law we were supposed to have that bit because until you know you're sure what you're going to pay for it's pretty hard to say exactly how you're going to pay for it you can have general ideas but but until you know how much it costs and you can't know how much it's going to cost to you know exactly what it it's it's pretty hard and you know the big areas of disagreement is what with the level of payment you know in the in the study by the the administration's actuary state they assume that physicians and all practitioners and hospitals would be paid like medicare pays plus five percent now right now people's average payment is medicare plus about twenty two percent fundamental things of how much disagreement there is there's also discriminate on the administrative savings because they're talking now about if we one system but if you have medicare it will be a secondary insurance and if you  you know if your employer keeps their insurance it will be secondary insurance in for the federal employees or the military folks it will be secondary insurance and all the sudden this pledge simplification so simple anymore so so you know it's still we're talking about twenty seventeen the data we're in a new world now with the with the exchanges and you know takes us about two years like time to get to get the medicare information spending information costs and so the data this year is going to use us because of the way the  s rolled out were i mean it was too much of a mess trust account on really knowing what we're spending now from this year so we you know we have to look at two thousand and fifteen data to really know whether where we're going is it is better earned not in terms of finance you know in there they're just want to probably work they're having trouble agreeing on how much blue cross spent for administrative fees last year right came from was from the affordable care act and that was a goal and i think it's still of gold and you know what happens to gold well there were that that's exactly what we did is we  it in process to work toward the two thousand and seventeen date and as george explained that there are many steps that have have caused a lot of problems in getting the numbers and in two thousand and seventeen instead of just scrapping it they've been most likely did say well let's move it to two thousand and nineteen or something like that so what started with these changes and you know that's that's federal law that's for it so that's the exchanges that is for people who buy their church as individuals and for employers with less than fifty employees those folks by this federal law  now buy insurance on this exchange in the piece change really is just the way to buy to buy insurance compare plans and that sort of thing but that's where we've had that the difficult rollout with that although today heard pretty good news i mean they have at this point it's two and a half months later put they've just about hit the initial projections of how many people you know with with the actually have plans in place under that system but that's that is unrelated to the the green mountain care program which is you know this vision thing about you know everybody in vermont gets insurance it is it is decoupled from your employment is the same companies that are doing businesses it's just the place to go and and get a comparison from the different companies and then the family other thing then is where we have this this  state well we don't want to call the state insurance company but to that that there's a common place for all vermonters to get their insurance so so dream out here which is actually fantastic the whole package you can be covered without having to pay it so what's your take on whether that should be you know my take on the whole thing is like i mentioned earlier my immediate reaction was that what they presented right at the beginning unrealistic they didn't use real numbers they didn't use real numbers for savings they didn't use real numbers for expenditures and i've agreed to keep it open minded till i see what i believe are believable numbers in with the medicare thing i think we just have to see you know what what the proposal looks like and we know pretty much we've a pretty good idea what the benefit package will look like so that what medicare doesn't cover you know that the supplement will be up to this point to x point and that's you know it in the law is it's got to be somewhere between eighty percent actuarial value and eighty seven percent eighty seven was what catamount health used to be you know so that's pretty good coverage just like that's somewhere between what's in the exchange of gold plan and a platinum plan so you know that that that's that's pretty good coverage so i think i think we have to wait and see whether  their vision is makes this more or less affordable for folks who are on medicare you know and whether the coverage is as good as you get now with your supplemental plan or not as good or better so these so it is one of those things where i've got a way to see the details before i think say whether i think it's a good plan or not i you know look i like the idea that you don't lose your insurance when you lose a job ok i mean i think i think that that's important i think is important in the entrepreneurial statements and just you know that i like the idea of decoupling it as like the idea of everybody having insurance because we're paying for the folks who don't right now you're just paying through your premiums you know it's a it's a tax that is hidden from i'd rather have it out in the open i mean if people without insurance are getting care all the time it's millions of millions of dollars we're spending on  it's cost shifted on to the the premiums that you pay for your shirts now so i'd rather just have that all out in the open so there's really good conceptual things there but you know we really have of what you pay for supplemental plans differ you could retire from company a and they provide you you know a very nice supplemental plan you know to go along with with your medicare you know somebody else who doesn't have a retirement just goes out on the open market and pays you know the full price for those those not i don't think everybody has the same it would tension replace or supplement but you know there's a lot lot of work to go into this before and that would be for other people to any other other groups you know the military people the federal go a's and the s are big deals very well i think one of one of the things is if you if you're a real legislative watcher and you try to keep track of things that there was there there was a couple that there's always buil that get a lot of attention and for four bright idea reasons you know because people like them because they don't like them because they have good lobbyist groups for against them of usually both and things like that and so one of those bills that actually was introduced last session and came up with it was the paid sick time bill now this is certainly a bill that has equal of both sides of it there's no doubt about that there's always people that are around montpelier in the in the state house you know trying to bend your ear that it's good it's bad probably bought but it was moving along and there's no doubt that it was getting a lot of attention and a lot of his support another bill similar to that was when obama doubts that that the minimum wage should be raised and and he proposed ten dollars and ten cents so what happens is that you know somebody will maybe introduce a bill on the back of his announcement or the governor will make some statement you know that he's in favor of it or any other way that some attention comes on and might here is my interpretation the sickleave was was up here in probability that might get some good hearings and possibly get a favorable vote at least one thing and minimum wage was right down here and in a matter of about two weeks those two bills just sort of switched in what what the attention is so if you're saying what is hot is far is you know what you know some of the things that are happening those are two bills that really sort of is that way and one of the things that's interesting about it is that there's people that are talking about it all the time in the in the legislature but you know when when you are in a committee and you have sixteen bills that you're working on at a time it's sometimes difficult for you to get your hands on really want to talk about this these other bills but those are a couple that got a lot of attention but now the money bill to the ones that are coming out they come out this time and cross over to the other side so what's your view about both of oh it looks unlikely that my interpretation george could have a little different one but right now my interpretation is sick bill probably will not pass and there will be the minimum wage will come up in on one of the floors i don't know who will be the senate or house first or they're in both they're in both right now and you know sometimes you can read so they you know this and so i think that's going to be active in the next into the next couple weeks to figure out whether that is going to go somewhere needed some of faith i think given that the governor has talked about i the governors of surrounding states that everybody was going to raise their the minimum wage to ten ten i think that that's probably a likely scenario that there will be raised to that amount and i think the question will be go to twelve dollars or twelve fifty i think that's that that that would be more were the settles whether that's whether to go there stay with the ten and so george mentioned that they said time bill as has been set well of course a good sense of appropriations committee because there's dollar you know money associated with it but what happens it is if if the if there's a push to have a bill that's already passed the house  passed a committee sort of not get taken up right away because as soon as it passes appropriations when it comes out to the floor i mean that's the rules as with it when it leaves the the last committee that there's going to hear it it goes on notice for one day and the next day it's taken up so there are times when when bills just do not get taken up in committee because you know the feeling is is this is not the time to bring it up or let's wait and see if it's a time or let's wait and see if the other body doesn't it i mean there's a whole slew of things you know decisions that are made by the speaker or the speaker in connection with other people that  don't you know and you know what somebody if i've explained something like this to somebody once they saw i said that sounds like politics yup that's exactly what it is that's what this is call in the minimum wage if we if we raise the minimum wage if you didn't want that index you'd have to change that portion of law and i have not heard anyone mention that that's under consideration he into space actually to reduce costs but that yes that would be the whole i mean the thing i was concerned when the bill was first proposed and here's here's why there's no you know for particular level of dentistry you know alaska did it in minnesota did it and they seem to be having pretty good success with it and it sounds like they have now proposed since since this bill is here that there are now is instance national standards and a national certified body and that is the thing which would make it much much more powerful to me because i i think otherwise you get into a world where you know what are these folks actually trained to do or  trained in a way that that makes makes good sense who's going to do the training you know who's who certified to train them who decides who certified to train that sort of thing so i think that stuff is working its way out right now that the trick of course is that it's just like a very other medical profession we have trouble distributing people around the state there's nothing to say these you know practitioners can be any more interested in going to you know dentist and while the dentists oppose that we have a dentist a regular comes in here tonight who is very very much opposed to this so but i think  i think the bill probably actually is going to get some serious consideration with those an example of another bill that when the session started there was quite a bit of talk about this and it was expected that it that i t was very likely that it might pass the senate earlier in the session and you know it just hasn't right so you had a question i did right here on this hour the minimum wage agree with a ten ten figure well one of the things that that i found as as i was studying some of the papers that come out on it is that well there's two parts of it you know there are those people that will tell me that you know why you pay people for the for the job they're doing it and it should be defined by the by the job you're doing and you know a minimum wage only encourages and you know that that level of it but it seems that the all the studies that have been proposed do not show that it's really a deterrent to the economy as far as losing jobs or you know causing businesses to go out of business or you know from from that point of view and so from the from the point of view that i being on the committee that that studies a lot of things about low income people that  what we can do to help people be more productive and to have jobs that where they can actually earn enough money to to support their family is something that we should be working toward when the interesting things has been in the analysis of this how many of these folks working at minimum below the you know proposed levels of minimum wage i mean these are four time major of primary breadwinner for the family you know there's this myth out there that this is all high school kids working summer jobs which turns out to be a relatively small percentage of of who this is and so i personally and in favor of raising the minimum wage and this is another reason why what this graph shows is that this is the percent change in adjusted gross income from two thousand and nine to two thousand and twelve in on this axis is how much you make the break off here it's right around the average wage the median wage in vermont and so i mean just graphically you can see that over those three years those was doing well very well those folks not doing as well on the wrong way and i think that this is a you know this is  a has very little expense to the state the fiscal analysis has been done saying it'll have a negligible effect on the economy of the state that will be a lot of negatives from it and i think it's the right thing to do people should be able to  live on what they make if they're working full time and the other thing it would do by the way is it will reduce what we spend on other benefits to some extent you know it will remain sure remember you know there are a whole lot of benefits that those committee deals with and some that my my committee the health care committee deals with that are based on how much you make and you know the lower you are the more those benefits exist so you know as money to help all the low income people so that the more people that you know you can graduate off of that so along those lines let me share with you another thing that we have considered in my committee and we actually had the bill after whole lot of work on it is when you are on reach up which is the for mine official term for what is generally known as welfare and you are getting benefits because you are low income and and you know other reasons that the there's a quite a process of the terminate how much you get but one of the things you hear all the time is that people want to don't want to get off of of welfare and welfare being all the benefits that you might can include so we'll just talk about reach up and and three squares which is food stamps and one of the things that happens is that you are receiving some rich up benefits and you have an opportunity and you have a low paying job so your job is paying low enough wages so you are still eligible to get reach up payments and so what happens is you are working on this job and you are offered more allers you're offered over time you're offered a raise any of those things and what happens frequently is that by just taking a small raise increases your salary enough so you lose more money and up benefits then you get from your raise and you think about this if you are having trouble feeding your family i would argue going to do you not you know if you need that money it's an incentive to stay on reach up and so what we work very hard to do is to come up with a way that allows you a louse the the calculation to disregard part of the new earned money that you might get to encourage you to stay in your job to make more money and then gradually instead of having this this room's steep you know you lose all your benefits right away you  lose that and what we found is is by doing this that there were there were some benefits like that in food stamps sometimes it went up a little bit for a short period of time and so the feeling was that this is a good idea if you can encourage people to want to keep working but you don't just tell them you know you make a little bit more money and saying well you're you're off however what happens it cost money so knowing that whatever you work on a program that is going to cost money the best way to get it passed is to find somebody to pay for it you know not spend money over here so you can spend it over here so appropriations as and have it or to find some way to make it more revenue neutral and what we we we did a lot of work by taking at the front and a small cut in benefits to encourage people to be able to keep more benefits after they serve working so so the idea is you don't want to just skip this money with with out encourage for you to find a job and so this bill which is we're just calling the reach up bill is going to come to the floor probably early next week but it's been to appropriations say send it back to us for some reclass for some of those language it better defines a few things so they'll go back to their graph yelled out here is what you pay in taxes read it is the income and then all these different colors up here are different benefit programs you can see just as a trend that your income goes up the band of of these narrows we talking about the minimum wage yeah ok i think the strongest argument comes from the the business community part of it is they say this is going to cost us money the well you know but most of the businesses that where these no wage jobs are concentrated are in fast food kind of places retail places primarily and frankly those places will also benefit from the increased buying power that that people have the poor people are going to spend the money and when the minimum wage increases and they have a little more money these are folks who are going to spend the money so that but that is where the opposition comes from it's first it's going to cost them money and secondly that they don't like the idea of the state mandated things and those are two the two arguments we he another argument that comes from the business community well which is just that it's going to cost more money but i was in the sky she was somebody one day about this and they told me that they have people in this business that make minimum wage and you know many different levels of wages you know levels of well bork in this company you know i think there were six or seven you know and there are different salary levels and he said if i have to take my lowest one and give them a raise up to ten ten what's going to happen to the person who who is at the job right above it they're going to want to raise also and this one's going to want to raise and this one's going to raise and s was an argument at no time that this was an argument that i had considered i mean this this didn't come to my mind but then again i don't have a company that pays those kind of wages hurt your salary so i did that number but i think they're talking about thirty two hundred jobs because he lost a few but the twelve fifty an hour people don't merge voluntarily i think they're going to probably mandate mergers right now we've got fifteen superintended open in the state in the past two years we've got a thirty percent turnover in principals yearly that's not unusual that's been going on for years but it's you know the candidate pools are getting dinner and you know and so you really really start talking about ok who's going to be your educational leaders you know what they are think about the supervisor union says you know union here got seven school boards forty five school board members or so and pretty much every one of us thinks the superintendent works some the meeting more than once a month and then there's committees and you know it's an enormous it's a big job there be a whole lot easier administrative leave to to have you know one school board to deal with and the other thing that i really some of the schools compared to others you know their staffing patterns and that sort of thing you know what's in their budget and you know i think that part of this is more equalizing what's available across the board to the different different different communities would officially call the regional education districts at red red so one of the sayings is that chicken east is doing it or at least studying it on their own whether we do it or not you know depends on what the vote is which i think well also help to show other districts that either it can't be done or what the downfall is  of doing it you know why you don't want to do it and i would say you know one of the things about doing that voluntarily now is that there's a temporary but substantial tax benefit of doing it so for the first what they're trying about that education in the education committee it is not just doing this merging it is all the supervisor unions but actually considering merging more  we have about i want to say seventeen hundred in the month mansfield district and then the six of entry school so we're probably twenty two hundred or so there are a lot of very small schools out there some of the bigger yeah for the bigger good as you can remember the long very small schools and where we're spending out of yet funds seven point seven million dollars a year that's three quarters of a penny on your tax rate seven point seven million dollars a year in small school grads so you're supporting schools that place communities where they want to keep the schools really really small you're paying for that just like they are in our small schools are anywhere near that size so so yeah i think there was a message on the flip side i don't think that the number of of budgets that were voted down was a lot larger than some other years that happens to be a larger than it has been for the last few years and i think that the fact that there more of them in chipping county also makes it a little bit of difference and you know we hear all the time from our colleagues who live a long way from chipping county you know that church and county drive that they all have all reasons to support it and county and all of this but there are there are times when it's pretty obvious at this case so what what is being done is that the tax rate that was perfect was used to calculate what the individual districts tax rate was it is an estimate that is made in december and it's in march when the legislature actually decides on that number when there's more data to to use on it and the ways and means committee of the houses of ones that's charged with that and they're taking a very hard look at that and you know there's lots speculation that how much it will come down and how they will change how they will come up figure out how to make it come down or not make it come down but you know by looking at the new data so so you know thirty five going to two hundred eighty school districts they went down but put a lot of large school districts now i have to tell you this this may be relatively crazy because it was clear before town meeting day that the statewide tax increase wasn't going to have to be the four seven cents but people men who were elected not to come out and say that you know it was pretty clear at that point it would be down to five or maybe even for sex but for you know for reasons that i don't really understand you know there's this this idea there the school boards against the taxpayers to put pressure on the boards to cut to cut costs and i think it played out exactly that way but at the state level the ways and means committee i mentioned before you got here i think that  the state my property taxes will end up increasing instead of seven cents four or five cents and i actually have and that's before there's a change to the school to local school budget could tell you men number of years ago probably more than ten when i was on doing the the budget for mansfield district we had our budget cut down and it was sort of a close vote and you know there was this decision to proceed and revoke the same budget the idea that a lot of people were out of town because it was you know a school briefly to its voted and the second time the budget went down by a way more so when people post me this times that we're thinking that maybe we're going to get a position to say do the same budget again you know i said i really think that's a mistake you know people pretty clearly said last time they didn't want that argument the budget went down then yada you know you make some cuts there but on the state level it's you know i can i can show you here what it is it's basically about three percent if it gets down to four cents instead seven cents you know because because and i have here the comparison is you know you want to get that but it's you know it's clear that it won't be that much regardless of what happens locally but i'm pretty sure locally they're going to produce more  i think there's also locally for the elementary schools whose budgets with down are looking at their budgets to see what to do most mansfield which went down is looking at their budgets what to do and the supervisory union budget which runs the central office you know superintendent's office and and all of that including special lab is reviewing their budget to see if it can be reduced also so that's really messy with the supervisor you know to some people passed that for some it is but but they are looking yes there is that you think that what he's cut is the program that you really enthusiastic about in a town that passed their their budget you know if something gets cut that somebody people were enthusiastic about and that's what they decided to take out you know so it's messy but it was that some of what's going on so so i think it you know in discussing that the whole city who will find it or the school tax break multiple facets of about that and they all look like that they will come down somewhat so you know if you if you lived in the underhill side of the ip district which was the one that had the highest tax rate me too that's where hopefully it will come down i mean it will come down and all of them probably was more discussion on three line items which others to get this is this is that this is one of those things where there's three line items that basically all refer to fixing roads you know but there's you know for major road reconstruction is you know is one line item for paving is another one and for maintenance is another one so georgia has the numbers or you could read the numbers but the t the total budget is thirty two million eight hundred forty eight thousand three hundred eighty one dollars for paving is an increase of  seven million dollars over last year last year we paid more roads in this state than any previous year wasn't even close so so there's a you know substantial increase in the money for there's a little bit less for the the whole road reconstruction where the road needs to be filled that breaks down a little bit but that's based on projects that are already in plan and that sort of thing well it's also based on the fact that there were there were couple things i'm making and some in the road repairs or whatever stuff that where the from last year to this year there's a decrease in the budget but a lot of that decrease was based from the fact that last year we had a lot of money that came in for the irene road reconstruction for the present government those projects have been completed and put in our transportation system yeah and oh i know what happened as a mean almost immediately there were two groups that you know from where the tires went down and the company was responsible for taking you know grinding that up and putting in the later down whether it