we've got here a marriage that was was a contract in france and then immediately we cross the channel through ireland and they lived their entire married life together they had their children they were of the jobs they were they forged their friendships there and then mr townsend who was a fairly successful international business man left the marriage and went to s brown and so if this it seems to me that the fact that it's a mirror of a marriage case wasn't some inferences to be made of this case but we have that one issue and the question then for th ireland irish law requires of him proof in order to get it i don't know whether in view that i don't know whether it can prove grounds in illinois i don't know that he can prove that without for provocation my client was mentally and it seems to me that when you have a marriage that's been lucasfilm simply higher and not just over money but for several years where as a result of that marriages are two children and footing to proceed on at that point or is it still a matter for a month in means this is he able then to point to one of those public interest factors under the overt versus call for oil and say issues about whether the irish times the traditions privately in the record i but i mean who cares what the record tells us is that there's an article in the irish constitution that says in order to get a divorce an ir but still be considered with a separate part for purposes of no fault divorce that may be the case an ira i don't know none of them so it seems to me and again i as i've gone down through the the public private factors that are to be applied one of the factors is not considered whether or not easy or difficult for  read it to be similar to a judgement of of legal separation or separate it provides his obligations while these were his going to be not living family a four non convenes issue a review in court determines whether the court of used its discretion which can be found only when no reasonable person would take the view adopted by circuit court and so really trying to determine judgment injured in this case so there were no explicit findings of fact so on and so forth i would like to think big yes and it will consider each factor individually but there is nothing in the records either  deciding whether the defendant has proven the balance of factors strongly favor transfer so i guess i cannot speak for judge o'brien whether he'd take off one by one leave there's free public interest factors but i believe it was a reasoned decision once all of the arguments had made last ten irreconcilable differences and have to keep in mind there were actually motions to dismiss filed in this matter only one of which is before the court now but the combined motion which was fire filed pri is relevant in that an affidavit was attached to it from so and in that affidavit had her ramp three she states that her and andrew libby gather in until may of two thousand and twelve later on it paragraphs it she states that in may of two thousand and twelve that's when he moved to first came down south africa and i believe in december license since two thousand and one leaders in the state of kansas prior to that but since two thousand and one it's in the record he's had an illinois driver's license he five forty zero one seven seven one one three as his address he was required to apply for life insurance under the irish cream separation agreement in his life insurance he said five o five lane passport visas certificate of registration with ireland business permit the republic of south africa all along it has been five o five the victory lane and so since he maintains his then she travelled by annually to matthew with the children she has a fringe passport so it's certainly possible for her to travel from ireland to illinois for this and then again since we're at this point pretty much dealing with your reconcile differences the other factors kind of all well then i'll go perhaps one of the lead cases in remarriage  car where you have french citizens and kind of a similar situation but also while different in that in that case the husband was trying to in essence have the marriage an be property involved so one so forth there would be a lot of documentation involved real property so on and so forth that really perhaps would not so much belong in cook county because it t i believe perhaps the first time was  sophie herself actually first brought that up before the trial court in her affidavit attached to the combined motion she actually states that they would have to live separate apart four out of five of the last four out of the last five years in order to get a horse what happened after that then was this form known from viens motion was brought before the court and then i to determine if it's because of article forty one of the irish constitution specifically says that you cannot give it worse it lessons have been separated for four out of the last five years maybe even if there is mental cruelty what have you that hopefully they'll still work things out later own but anyway that's when i found article forty one i alleged i argument before judge runyan but which was done by mr knowles my former boss i was not present but i've read a transcript both mr nelson and mr henslee throughout that entire argument pretty separation for five four years or five years and then you come back and we'll well convert the separation to a divorce if you can prove ground i mean act because we don't nor will we we know because the court would have to look at the un availability of the relief being requested in this alternative for and that's why i asked whether or not it's available and it seems like that is an unknown well spoke fairly not in agreement with that maybe she would write new york or london but she's the one it's resisting going forward and the and i agree but perhaps his idea was that well if we give the irreconcilable differences this doesn't even become an issue because he doesn't know as and you're absolutely right he doesn't know whether many cruelty well have has come out and said well know that this this would be horrible for her in ireland if mental cruelty was found so here's how she's writing this and i certainly wouldn't never had this happen in my experience but there's always a first time even even after the two year period you have certain elements in your case that you have to prove you still have proved irreconcil finally out there seems to be a whole lot of talking about irish law that still laymen can nobody really knows what irish law is and even counsel who probably did more investigation and research into the subject than anybody in this room to run up was saying that he was guessing about this that you know so i think there's just a lot of guessing going on and if i have been