enough i think that for that the idea was a little bit kind of lose we the idea of the meeting grew out of the discussion that i had with the planning commission  about affordable housing there were some other general questions about design by foreigners i think if i can phrase it directly to the story of life what is it what is it that that design five corners reasons but really we started thinking about this in a much more holistic way when we did the ecos plan settling down folks are familiar of that and twenty allegedly did a pretty big comprehensive look at the region both from economic development strategy transportation and regional planning all combined and a lot and as well as looking at education public health right of different things and from all kinds of avenues housing shortage came up as an issue and particular with the economic development strategy piece of it we found about eighty three percent of businesses that we survey overarching smart growth strategy and essentially what that say we like to see eighty percent of growth happen in the areas plan for growth going forward i've got a map later in the nation to show you what that looks like but basically where we've already got existing infrastructure let's continue to grow there make more efficient use of that and prevents us sort of sprawling out which means a lot more long term cost for the municipality in terms of maintenan operation for those for that infrastructure that goes out and it's a lot more sense and kind of building in a smart more dense way and then most recently i think sixteen that we partnered with housing vermont campaign trust true really figure out if there's a way that we could help from a variety of angles to build more housing than we were building the bowl quite a while it's generally thought that if you spend thirty percent of your income on housing that's affordable so more than that you start to get cost burdens in terms of like your forward to twenty four nineteen that's the second to last date on the slide we were closer to sixty four percent of employees so we really have less folks living here than we did  prior and we saw a tiny uptick that twenty fifteen number going back in the other direction which we were excited to see but essentially we can you know continue to grow and smart ways and build up our car builders and our downtown so we can try to reverse this curve a little further and it be great if we could get closer to the you know early two thousand numbers of seventy five percent other big demographic shifts that is impacting the housing number of kids that we've ever had since thirty years ago or something like that so what this means is that you know it seems so miniscule three point five to two point five are basically essentially the same number of homes to see for sixteen and you can see that reflected and then a twenty seventeen we have dropped down the number of homes that are building just as a frame of reference all the vacancy rates are top to compare to other places because it's really very specific to your circumstances but the national dignity rate at this same time period never dropped below four percent and so that's sort of off the charts it also goes up in  these are just bring us in a little bit more of what we're looking at in the last year and specifically comparisons of those egos playing bowls so this map on the right the dark colored gray back  ok so our goal the striving to goal is that eighty percent of our growth happens in absolute area of the map over the previous five year average we were at about percent in the areas of land for growth so just shy of that eight percent zero and it does shift to that long term average from eighty six percent down to eighty three percent so still over eighty percent and these things  it's great to have this level of detail because it's not we're getting the real numbers from the municipalities it's not just some surveys on average and that's really what's happening so the affordable numbers at the bottom so it's quite a sixteen that was the first year of the building homes together campaign so we had that seven hundred mark of the whole old ball that we were trying to head but we came away shy of the twenty percent boredom also twenty percent i think would have been and that range that they're sitting at the top seven hundred the low number nine hundred at the top so we were doing a lot more construction early two thousand that were delayed now they are in yellow line at the bottom part  give you the better perspective of what's going on i'm counting why and this is going to just be a summation of what we heard from the developers of the economics of housing workshop we ha boston and we're going to new york city they're sort of coming after mile to get to get here and so there's there's an impact and that also we have to build to deal with the heat in the summertime and right right now a number of other groups are hosting a conference next thursday at the law school to try to get something important what really should sort of happen with activity and and definitely a  want to be clear and bring dancy's voice here to the table there given that really typical project and so it's difficult to say that these are you know generally across the board always going to be the case but  so this is showing at the end of the day is that a typical per unit cost and this is first sixty him project is about two hundred and fifty six thousand dollars  gracefully because they're that a lot of other things that come into play they've got a lot of different prince harry had that their funders are served asking and requiring them to me so it was even adding more to the cost of the project they also don't really find this in the same way that they were that are private developers that recover funds so it's trivial for them to do what they d begin with and it's part of the reason that capital is so important to sort of help them piece together and figure out how to get these numbers that's two hundred fifty six thousand plus another thirty thousand have a bonus density so you kind of like set the base regulation and a certain perspective and then you say on the backend if you do all this other stuff like i think what is happening is we're asking too much of the developer in order to get the thing that we're asking and hoping that they'll that they'll do and the process for getting the ball the distance of the typically is a more complicated development process so it means more time more effort even to go through that review process versus something that would be much more by writing and said well and that doesn't necessarily mean it has to be administered approved administrative leave i think there's only administrative can do it can be a good you know whatever feels comfortable for the community but it shouldn't be so much in flux and a to try to get the ball at the end it should be pretty clear what you're asking about presidio for that to be able to me meet the x similar point to dimensional standards that's the one component workshop that they know how to market their units and with that they know what part of being they have to offer in order to sell or rent  again that sort of goes a little bit more into the first bullet point just in general and i think another component of simplifying the rules of you access can be he doesn't need to be for his code but some kind of you're getting a lot of housing the opportunity can be now to make some of those affordable but it is a complex and not very simple thing i was so i just say  play by any means it takes a lot it takes a lot of thought and really figuring out if you're ready for it and how it makes sense and again it's the same concept of the bonus density in the sense that you've got to be asking for the on the way it works in my world as a person working for bellaver fuel more like a mandatory affordable housing situation where the zoning for your there is a if you build this many units paying for that apartment is whatever it is fifteen hundred dollars than an affordable unit is eighty percent of that or it's something less than what the market rate is yet and it's tied to it's  really you're not how big the issue you are just thinking they were to come to the developers to try to do what they what they need to do because you're right you can't which is clear from the numbers you can't get that price point or you're getting the other thing that can work is if there's actually an escalation that the community would be interested are open to having a building housing on it it takes a big cost of the equation right from the beginning other thoughts a reduction of fees this is you know it can be relatively in the grand scheme of things can be a relatively low impact but workable and those funds typically not developers they're not really going to job it isn't the stuff unless it's really helpful unless it's easy and makes sense for them so reviews fees for those can kind of  one point you take into account the quality of living or the quality of the environment in total and i understand this is all from the affordable building costs and that is very interesting it's good information focus on transportation lines which could potentially transit lines which could potentially help them get to work over time even in the later stages of life where you don't necessarily can't about what it is that the community wants and that's heavily and what i mean by that is really defining development that fits within the character and the scale of the community you know more growth is going to look different there's going to be a change associated with it without a doubt but there's change that can be done in a way that feels right and change that maybe doesn't feel so right and not everybody is going to be happy with where with where you land but  the benefit of doing this in a projects and really understanding what folks want to see in changes in their community i think is really pretty important and then you can try to make your zon regulations you don't want to be totally prescriptive because you've got to give folks some leniency and some ability to really see a site for themselves and figure out how to build the best thing to build there but you can put it in some parameters that the community is comfortable with thinking of the question for you regina once again that was have an unlimited agenda so if you're someone if you have wondered if you have a question or comment right now and i would say that i will give some if you want you know if you don't have anything specific you want to say but i had some effects of development on part terrorists and school street that is a direct result of planning commission decisions that affect very very very much our everyday lives and you know these decisions that the trustees control there are decisions that the planning commission controls i was kind of hoping that this might be a bit of an opportunity to have everybody here and not be told well that's a planning commission decision or that's a trustee decision clearly when the when the trustees have jurisdiction over the street but the planning commission is making decisions that affect the street there is a bit of a disconnect and i'm not sure if the discussion tonight once again i think give you my my my my roll call list of fixes and ideas that i have that i don't think are terribly expensive pre park terrorist reconstruction part terrorists much like school street needed it and benefit from will also need to be reconstructed at some point probably accelerated by the construction in the and the delivery vehicles and the oversized vehicles that are now using the streets so there's ideas that i have for things that could be done before there are things that should be done maybe after reconstruction but i would you know just once again make the point that decisions that are made by the planning commission are final the projects get built the neighborhoods and the roads get impacted and then it doesn't seem like there's a clear path for resolution or fixes i know every time a new development is proposed there's so was that throwaway line in a traffic study will be done in six months or a certain percentage of occupancy to you know see what the impact is on traffic and eat grass you know into the into the major streets here do those studies ever get done are they are they are they ever presented is there ever any it's or are there any ever any changes mandated because yes in fact the impact on the street is greater than what that it just seems like that's a throwaway line it's inserted into all these applications and approvals that i just don't think ever really we never see anything after that and i suppose we forget or you assume we forget or you forget or it just doesn't happen and so i'm just throwing that one out there to you as well so depending on whether or not you want to talk about specific park terrace things i'm i'm  crescent connector as approved as presented to us and approved and funded by the state as a road to funnel traffic to mitigate congestion at the five corners to act as a two lane through hay time through a that's that was what was presented that was what's been approved that's where the right of ways and all the all the planning seems to be going when the development plans for the buildings that have been proposed for the land that will be accessed when the crescent connector goes and i know what you want to call that as it is short and it's black presented that showed the crescent connector a dramatically different insanely different rendering of the crescent connector there was in the in the mr  pierce's managers for poor kind of a throwaway line stating that well hopefully this all gets addressed and we can work with the state or whatever this won't really be a big deal but about as i looked at the plan instead of a two lane road now it's basically functioning as an access road for the mckeown development there's angle parking on both sides there's a five foot wide by path presumably behind where people are entering and exiting the angle parking there's probably going to be traffic making left and right turns out of the development because it is a combination of four buildings with apartments and commercial traffic you'll have it as trains crossing it is it is just a dramatic redesign of what was presented so my question is as you know not a traffic engineer just just a concerned citizen is when the change in the chain when changes are proposed by developer is so dramatically change the design of the road what happens once one mechanism gets triggered does it go back to the state for review does the planning commission have a say in what happens to the trustees because it is a road all of a sudden are you presented with a change but it just seems like there's a very dramatically different rendering you are going to be able to poke a little bit you know i think that the accurate  with it there are plans to develop hinge upon having access and having extra parking because there their proposal is deficient parking here you know so to what extent are you obligated to give the developer a heads up that this isn't going to happen or this can happen without going back to the state and basically getting a redesign of the road i think baghdad is again this was a conceptual plan we're not really we're not really looking at an application here and i know that best sounds confusing and maybe i shall base a little bit but really on too little day planning commission yes a real application presented for a two lane road with a parking spot parking lot at the end not angle parking where people are backing into traffic where pedestrians are going to be crossing the street i mean it just seems like it's a completely different rendering and i just would like you to know that i think the village needs to be aware i think citizens need to be aware i think i think we're all looking forward to doing whatever can be done to mitigate traffic at five corners but when the developer then shows up at the planning commission and says we want to make x y and z plan i'm just curious what happens does the planning commission have for years now and nothing nothing nothing has happened and this situation just gets worse and worse and the fact that we're walkable community with a with a road with no sidewalk and more pedestrians and more people walking on it  is it's ridiculous and the fact that more proposals for more development and more and cars turning in exiting at the bottom of park terrace are being proposed and there's still no discussion about how we make this street not only safe but livable to me is it's it's a travesty i mean there's there's no i don't see how the village takes pride in getting awards for walkable communities livable communities and it's not it's just not it doesn't seem like we get like i say they keep bringing this town and burning letters and i just don't there's nothing happening so i'm not frustrated ok couple the retirees the people trying to downsize my reserve is the average family that doesn't work so it is so there is a big save of the population which frankly is why when after getting after leaving as if to go to higher education going back to the state where we came back to us this is because of the fact this was a family friendly place right time to buy a condo where we are those types of developments those title before will develop these for families is not what's happening in our community what is that the planning commission when they're looking at an application they draw blades they're not totally sure because this isn't really telling them everything behind in detail so is there something that they want to talk to us about you know there's you can do a housing needs assessments that can really help you figure out those those issues and figure out what is the missing hardest point what gas are you trying to fill in and and generally try to get song frame of reference around around that issue of the thirty five hundred have you has is that goal broken down more be ok and it's still within the community to say look you can when you want to go into these places that we have here like door started out that have their very simple it's a small unit it's above to a higher than the average gain in her county and even in our own unity especially with the new where things are coming out it's great that it was propose it always good to have a workforce housing but again if any of them need a second bed that's not going to work for possible i'm just thinking a bit more broadly like for new developments like help with building the road the sewer the water the storm water kind of thing ok no doubt that what can be helpful in a downtown environment over time is potentially some form of municipal park right you know over time it might be that but i would not be able to say right now that that's what message junction need are how harkey actually would be able to sort of help help with that from the regulatory side it's helpful from the developer perspective to allow some think about not within it dissipate but who were having the community discussion about this we were thinking that the beautiful walkable community had all the things we want that we were thinking about if we give people come here we're in a park and so i'm wondering fighting corners is the there's the increase density in the let's say the downtown area essex johnson and with that brings certain types of housing that tend to be lower arm building or something like that so so if you're trying to bring your overall cost per unit down which is the key thing to make you more affordable plus you're trying to provide an attractive location by  going to be taken for granted anymore and if you live in a more of an environment a lot of people choose not so ideally you might have a car for you know one unit but you certainly don't need any more than that and if there was a way to share arguing or incentivize people not to have cars and by you know providing other triggerfish and often then you're starting to direction and to be more flexible your direction so that developers have a clear idea what we're asking for just like we usually  downtown urban like density obviously the opportunities for green spaces go on but if that's if you're really just going for the density then you're willing to take that hit on the other hand if you have a vision of it being a little more you know plans that we've seen on set there's more emphasis being put on putting parking under buildings when it's possible groundwater be worse a hazard around here so w actually as part of the parking regulations right now say that that mess of parking on the back would have to have green space which is not shown and to be we slow if we and i don't know about if we could get to you know who over that for a parking garage somewhere with the bill it should be a very small village and you know relatively speaking for the size of the community  will be charged with you know really collecting all the data trying to understand what the situation is perhaps doing some surveys of the of the people who live in the community and then coming up with some goals and  thinking and i mean i don't know certain projects and we've had quite a number of large projects in the village center especially and they didn't you know i won't say the true controversial because of th so i don't see them controversial on that side but the song in the community and certainly the people that are most immediately affected by it it's a big change yeah and so we kind of want to make sure that that we are crowd behind us i think we can hold on to the specific decisions that seem to be you know desire in our regulations and we just so so when you love great i would like to explore that the regulations snick sure that they're doable make them more clear make the benefit clear and then see what happens to the neighborhoods and who comes forward and whether