the court my name is douglas nelson on behalf of the petitioners in this case credibility has already been established the judge found that the testimony and the written materials were all credible therefore the question comes down to whether there's a nexus between the harm the stress and the political opinion we have to prove that the harm or threats that my clients suffered was motivated at least in part circumstances surrounding the threats to determine what the motive was indeed a novice fiennes a says in some cases the factual circumstances alone may provide sufficient reason to conclude the act that acts of persecution were committed on political motives you have talking about a street gain or a mafia organization their goals are political now let's look at the victim my client roberto and will talk about the husband mostly because he highly bateman group did not threaten any of the other brothers or sisters they did not go after the father who had the money they knew who they were i mean obviously the group had followed the family closely they knew where they live they  but but it doesn't mean that statement does not mean that the rest of the family did not stand in her of the money while it would have if columbia law said that the eldest male child gets all the money had but let me go to a more direct question and that is evidence for most favorably to your client and the fact that she testified credibly that you know these were attractive victims because of the fact that they by colombian standards were relatively well to do go ahead finish it yes and while in that position they wanted they approached and they wanted him to achieve their political goals or purposes that's specifically what they asked him to do and they also threaten to take money from him a political goal or are they targeting this guy because he's in a government position where if they threaten him maybe he could through his job provide some economic benefit to the group area that the group wants to have benefit and there's another way to look at it had he complied with their demands then clearly there would be no issue here but he refused to obeying the hymie bait me with only demand that we know what for sure was an actual extorted amount of money right some of that eight hundred thousand colombian correct pesos or whatever they are and the other references to them wanted to achieve their political goals or purposes but they didn't explain what  group who wanted him to do their will and he refused to do their will and i think that is where the political you know if he if they had asked him to intercept all  something or other so that they could go out and destroy what the governor is trying to do our then that would be and he refused to do it because i believe in what the government is doing and then damage victim of political persecution by shining path against her husband and that's a question that the i g has to decide not is a question of law really but as a question that's what makes it difficult for me at that i mean i'm one hand i can see it's just a plain old extortionist him and when you know gangs of men show up at your go or if you're arriving home late at night and demand a large sum of money that the family in this case saying you know we will not pay you because we don't believe in your policies we don't have that money there's never any like a political motive that's clearly laid out by the persecution by the petitioners in this case the few references to you know help us with your job or happens to coincide with the fact that we perhaps that he's a government employee and therefore has a good job and there's never represented in the record where they say you know you have a good government job so clearly they assume government workers have a good job which means they make money there's no there's no there's no point in the record place that come up and i say that we are doing this to you because you are a government employee obviously if that was the case of you different issue but because of the fact the only concrete demands they ever make on him are for the eight hundred million  client knew from the beginning that he didn't want to support this other group until that heat well he refused to support a group howso i mean the only thing the only expressed demand that they ever made of him was for cash