not contributing to the district what they'd like to do is a limb an eight the shakes of the top in the gables and just run the board that inciting on the web because there's so little of this it's a pretty small house so i think they've discovered that might be able to much going on so you guys can decide if you want to do anything about it now or you want to move it to next month totally up to you she just popped in this afternoon when i went ok this is roger cook he's a lame duck this is a rental property and the door's been missing for a number of years he's now trying to catch up with the city code requirements that require the building to permit requires a thirteen solid top thirteen steel door uses a rigid composite material to provide the trim to resemble a quick carriage door the finish is wood grain and i get tired of hearing that oh yeah you can have to move there no you can't i just called coco myself and asked they don't provide a smooth finish on any of the rest dental doors so all those people have been telling us that they're not getting them so whole it's all going to have a woodgrain finish but they did whatsoever and i frankly can't remember what the sample was that they se is another finnish option because if i don't i honestly don't know i'm going to have to call and ask again or or look at the e mail that she sent me i wonder if this is maybe the trim or on the panel step might be the the dorm is looking at is this one right here but without the glass at the top and since it doesn't have any garage door how to currently we don't know if it ever had glass or not it's this one  written down here things to consider does the door meet the city's guidelines for garage door is the style select appropriate to the garage of the house if you go back and take a look at the house  oh i don't think i did write it down on this one it may have been on the it may have been on his cell sample he's not using that hardware i know he's not but i'm i don't see that i wrote that down and because i was looking at the next guy's garage yes it would be two doors together but not that style it would be the style drawer but yeah but next to and then i will check with him section is still kind of that this is a solid top section there's no windows but there's still the pattern of the square windows so it's not the same as the recall going up right so there is still a difference here which i think yes doors doors are says glaze there's a little note down here is not the pin necessarily relevant to his door but it does say glaze top sections not available in fifteen foot and fifteen foot six by doors so oh yeah they come up to wow eighteen feet wide eight feet nine feet fifteen feet fifteen foot six sixteen foot and eighteen feet so that door that's on the right side and that picture isn't that part of the garage door it's a little i think it's a three foot door handle maybe that's just a window on the know so i just wanted to say that i feel like voting is always a little bit weird on this commission and i think it has to be i mean i feel like we don't necessarily say i'm guilty of it too like it whether or not we support or oppose you the motion before it gets a vote and i think that it could be it could benefit us to be a little bit more open about it and i think it's totally allowable right about you can affect everything mr good business you have to worry about hurting anybody's feelings step nine based toes none of that i mean whether it's other commissioners or whether it's the members of the public anybody but this is a professional forum and i know sometimes property owners dari always understand that but that's why i'm hoping if i'm doing most of the presenting then it takes some of that at the facts as chris pointed out there's not a door there so according to interest in a number nine we're talking about a new door so it doesn't have to be you know fake to match something that we don't know what it looks like it can be whatever is appropriate it still should look appropriate to the to the garage and work with the house like as kim pointed out the arched doors is also a landlord and also getting caught up in the need to put garage door in because that's a rule he also has some basement windows that have been beautifully boarded over there in great shape but he has to put real windows and now so what he'd like to do he's got c h i overhead door let me take you down to that and that's the same concept it's a all steel door and then it has it has this side trim piece that comes out so it looks like a re it would fill the current opening so it's a single door there's a couple of windows on the side of his garage he's even got it and he's got everything calculated here but he's going to see me a half a dozen times father since june about this yes he's thorough very thorough i'm probably nowhere near as there as he is his this is the garage window and there are actually two windows there you see how basically this is boarded up as well and he was put the windows back in and this he's going to put in and all would do up to all would  anderson windows to match a typical wood windows in the historic district so it would fit the anderson store window and he's got the size and everything here  garage door again was a at all steel then we moved to the foundation he's got he had said in his application i think i mentioned this to you in an e mail separate that those windows are within four inches of grade and i know in the past that anderson five bricks which i brought a sample of to see what that looks like has been allowed for three inches or closer to grade i went out there because i looked at this and i'm like best that four inches and i looked at all the pictures they had of all these windows none of them were more than two inches higher than grade so it definitely qualifies these windows if there would they're going  rot some of them are actually half an inch below grade so start with it's going to work that out but it doesn't have any leaking the the wood infill right now is so tight there's no leaking whatsoever so what he's proposing there are the anderson five bricks windows which is the are the ones that i said that have been approved in the past they would fill the openings so it's not there are custom size to f the last window that is a concern though is hiding back here behind all these bushes is the exhaust for the furnace in the house  checked with inspections and our inspectors say that this is no longer considered a window and that's acceptable to them as is so awesome meets all the codes and it it does so it comes down to what you guys think and if he needs to relocate his exhaust then we need to talk about where would be an appropriate place to do that this is on the side of the house when we go back up to the top here  yes just one but there's two but they're right next to each other right here there's a sealed up the divider right there so there's two windows he's not doing anything with this which i  and they have been in this house over twenty years the house has been in the district's sense the district started this is the holland to start district so the work that they had done twenty years ago in one thousand nine hundred eighty eight the house is already in the district so they had already had a c e o approval on that it was the foundation of the backside of the house was failing so they allowed them to come in with concrete block and completely rebuild it now the front side and the front and one of the sides twenty six feet is failing and it's along the driveway they have a lot of front here's the house so he's now in a corner so you see the sides are both up against driveways the neighbor's driveway and then their own the front of the house has a lot of nice plantings so you don't really even see the foundation he had to pull the plants away to take pictures but you can see it's a it's a real mess of a foundation he's got the giant stones he's got rubble he's got sure there's a whole variety of wood or stone i just know this the wood is right in here too but there's a big variety of stone and masonry type materials this is the split block on a house that's a block away from the that's also in the district what he's proposing is a split face block this is the other other house but so that would have at least some kind of rustic feel and this is the work that was done previously and was approved that was just a smooth block on the back side of us house so when these all i was thinking there was a picture of it it didn't get him here because it was so hard to read style there has been discussed in the past about waverly stone and how important it is to save it in this case if you can find it maybe we can see it and it's it's buried it's also crumbling and broken and it is a soft sand stone so it's not like you can piece it back together he'd actually have to replace pieces if it can be found if replacement materials can be found which might understand it's not easy again that skim coat material we're not sure what it is and how easily that will come off if if the goal is to replace any of this if that's over waverley stone it could damage the stone even more and we don't know how bad this stone is if that was put out and that's been absence before you sell the house which is twenty five years twenty six years or something like that so things to consider is the condition of the foundation poor enough that it wants replacement can't be repaired is the proposed replacement material acceptable for use the district are concerned about texture and color of the replacement material so there's a couple of things here you can decide first whether or not it can be repaired secondly whether you're willing to accept that as a replacement aerial or if you have something else that you prefer to see color texture and other visual qualities were possible house on tenth street with the split i think he probably made that assumption that isn't doesn't mean you have to agree with it i think this phrase would be  i i can ask that question but you guys can decide whether you'd prefer to see that or not and then i can tell him you know you can decide we'd prefer to but will accept rough and then i can ask him which he prefers if he really would have been happy with smooth and he can do it if you don't want rough at all then we can tell him that yeah the hand molded splot of the like turn of the century that typically on american forces their house you'd see that he likes that he saw other houses in the district that had that so that's graph people can do it you know it's not just the manufacturers you know are available to us i would say like if it was a house that was built up on a tall foundation that was a feature of it well i did have and you'll be happy to hear the she'll probably be here in november someone in the district who has a non conforming house but she called because she wants to replace two doors one is a is not in the original door and that's on the front of her house the one on the back she said might be original sure so send me a picture but it's so warped she can't get it to shop properly she can't get the deadbolt to actually lock so she needs to replace it  and she asked where could i have something either built or something that's more true to the right style so there are a few people out there and she was that in and i'm conforming so there's i only found out quite by mistake that they were doing this they already had the equipment in the driveway right here taking it down and inspector d and i said hey what's gone on and he says oh they have some structural concerns they need to get that down right now so i don't know if there was a concern that would actually collapse it was all of a sudden it needs to come down now their goal is not to eliminate it completely their goal is to figure out what's wrong with that repair and put it back and if that can't happen i wanted to make sure we have documentation so nancy took a bunch of pictures of it also so we know what it looks like if they have to have it replicated so which you could require that so it's kind of funny because i think it was like two days before this package came  yeah none of us knew but i made sure it's legitimate i gave them an emergency temporary removal so it's not a permanent it's not a demolition this is all they've gotten  be able to take it down because of the safety hazard and with the stipulation that they this was taken directly from the those to perceive that i gave them that it's a temporary removal with the intention to repair the steeple and reinstall it if it cannot be reinstalled the church will work with staff and they should you see to replace the steeple so they have to have your willful or replacement or whatever they're going to put up there if they're going to put it right back as it is just you know fix whatever the structural issues were on the inside then they're finding that that anything other than that they need your approval it seemed like it was just a piece a little bit rotted yeah i didn't get any more words from the structural or i'm just curious if they hire a structural engineer to look at it or just like someone in the audience or not they have a structural engineer coming in but it may have been somebody from the congregation said something and then they hired the structural engineer but they had the structural engineer here and he said they needed to do something with it immediately so that's when the inspector ok so that was the only exciting thing i worked on don't ask me while the sun everything else is small but that was a very large picture ok so whole staff report the other staff issues but we still do not have a representative so first let's talk about the schedule that's the the schedule i said did anybody have any problems or questions about the schedule for next year  didn't check all of the holland school things i just checked when the spring break was so if there's anything else that might relate to being on vacation let me know i tried to miss holidays major holidays so we do need to you need to vote we need to have a approval of the schedule one motion or does anyone have any issues in the schedule interested they meet on the second tuesday of the month for clock by law is there something that we need to have one or isn't i don't think it's in the bylaws now i know it's not the bylaws i think it's just recommended they act as a liaison the neighborhood improvement committee is for the entire city so what they thought would be good is somebody from the historic district would represent those neighborhoods so if we don't have somebody from the neighborhood or from our committee it could be possible there's anybody from the neighborhood association that anybody knows that might want to serve on there and i could see if they could act as a representative and check on their interest a letter of support for the reinstatement of the state tax credits went out to the senate finance committee we've heard absolutely nothing from them but there is bipartisan support at the house of representatives also this is being  sponsored at the senate level and at the house of representatives the first sponsor is a republican in both cases so they feel to see as to that this may go through since we have a republican governor although he was the one that eliminated this something i'd like to add to thank you just came in today involving the start preservation tax credits the federal tax credits are slated to be abolished with the president's new tax i don't know what you call it plan there is a letter here from the michelin star preservation network that they're recommending we write the same type of a letter and send it out to the ways and means committee it would go to richard ne and kevin brady for the house of representatives so i will pass this around through and take a look at it and then i'll email it to you and you can let me know what you think i can write a letter and have you sign you're at all interested so i guess you probably need to decide whether or not you want to tell them to leave our tax credits on the federal tax credits are what was used to renovate the school washington school the other school in the corner down here and any commercial district commercial businesses along a commercial district that want to tax credits would use those anybody who has rental property in the residential district can use the federal tax credits for renovations but just as big commercial property and rental properties consider commercial so it didn't affect as many properties in the district as the state one does but on that dollar to dollar basis it far exceeded just those two schools alone would be probably based on the other work that i do probably at least it's for that the million dollars in tax credits just those two properties so it's a significant amount of money so i will send that you guys let me know if you want me to write a letter or not welcome to stephanie sorry stephanie we should have at the beginning and also to madison madison as our student what is your title madison ok who sends you to what committee what body does that what body what who was at the school that assigned you to a committee or is this the city ok so well to you and welcome to stephanie stephanie if you'd like to just briefly talk about yourself you could do that i should've done that the beginning but i was so flustered when you haven't signed your oath of office yeah today i approved it it's already down stairs down he has to go through his background check and then the mayor has to meet him and you ok so hopefully i don't know if we'll get them approved before the november meeting but very soon and then we're going to have some kind of training for everybody exactly as you were discussing how much can we say how much should we say there is the the best trainer is sharon ferraro from kalamazoo some of you probably have met her  so the goal is to have sharon come in and train everybody she's been doing my job there for years and it's a significantly large city so it's you know it's that they get a lot more action and a lot bigger for i think too so should be great hopefully we get that lined up as soon as we get john on board and then that's the time and place for you all to ask whatever questions of why and we'll talk about when's the most appropriate time you know when when you can meet if we do it an evening we get i mean it's going to be up to you guys not me so it's whatever's convenient for you one of the  the rhonda baker who runs the same job in grand rapids they have a standard date in november that all the commissioners know in advance and it's you know whatever it is the second tuesday wednesday whatever it is and they do a week training every year so it's kind of up to date have there been any weird appeals that you need to know about anything out there that that might affect what you're doing so i'd like to do that for next year we'll get something set and they typically do it november because by then the projects are winding down they don't have as much construction on the agenda ok i did a presentation to the green ridge real team they asked for me to come over and talk to them about the start districts and what they can and can't do and what their sales people should be saying and shouldn't be saying well that was an interesting presentation and they karen spoke and i was with her i just helped as has the new person she introduced me in an answer i answered a few questions form of the mission municipal leagues conference that they had here probably a month ago now in town so we did three presentations she talked about how the districts were created how they maintain what are the benefits what does d c do some of these smaller towns don't have anything preservation wise they they either they might have a staff person just handling it all they don't really have a commission yet they're looking at it so ok so oh and we never officially thanked allison who isn't here for her s have to be in the form of a c e o way to do work on your next house next project ok i'll ask him about that ok next meeting is going to be up here again because it's election day and that be using the training room for election stuff and i will not be here ok one yes and it's been so revamped over the years that it's considered noncontributing even though it was a carriage house built in right around one thousand nine hundred if i remember