council i am looking here at my brief conversation neither one of you were listed but it's nice to see both of you i  in hopes that the department would not recognize it as a four year request and the the neglect the time constraints how would you address it i'm i feel the argument but even if that was right and change is intended to  did so other than the acknowledgment the day this was sent you say within the hour right when was the first when was the next official response from the agency al press conference going on about rejection of public records in washington but there is an issue here that this is the secretary of state has said that they had to redact some information you earlier said nothing needed to be redacted why but doesn't the secretary of state in this case who is the entity being requested to prove prevent or present this information don't they have an obligation to make sure that there is no personal information or information that was either not  you'll have an opportunity to reply well let me know before you get to second but if we can determine from the order what the court did we can still proceed and review that order correct yes the second point secretary's office he made almost identical request was told cost ninety thousand dollars he didn't accept that offer either request number three is that every twenty sixteen for some inexplicable reason as requested because in the past there was no standard way to do so and there are four yeah officers that would seem to have to need to be a  we did right we did so you know he could have been trying to go around the back to work and he could have been unsuccessful going in the back or if that person just moved on correct correct i but i before you do i have a question about the the whole idea that he was trying to circumvent the proper procedure because  guess my question is is there is the authority that you rely on to show that there is something that the court should consider then inference to his been raised perhaps  correctly but three d gives you like the re options to deny or ask for an extension within five get drafted so how is it that i officer after after the last but there's nothing in here that wires us to provide for a doctor if you provide the documents because we didn't provide the documents in the first place and the reason that we didn't do that is  but pursuant to be administrative rules for financial information that must be read that and it's great that mr varian thinks that you know nothing in twenty different companies financial filings down to here is this costs and i don't have the exact number because if a stranger for a period of time is are you saying that this then should be imposed or if your not paying it should be imposed as a sanction for their failure to to act in a timely manner or that they're not entitled to it as a result because of the  but they can't give you everything that's in the electronic format so how do they take out those matters that are in the electronic format that you're not entitled to so they're saying that they just have to print out that bad you know they're saying that the you could have come back at that point said look you're not entitled to anything and we would have had this lawsuit anyway even if they had not been so late in responding exactly that it didn't happen the first right thank you very much counsel for your argument this morning we will take the matter under advisement we will issue a decision accordingly and we're going to take a brief recess to prepare for in its case