the housing unfortunately i've been here for ten years beaking about affordable housing and to date and years into having the state's first approved pro center there is still zero perpetually affordable homes for ownership and the two main developers in that growth center one of them is the head of the d r b and its partners snyder companies those gentlemen i going to build somewhere around five hundred units and they're not going to be asked or they're not going to have to build a single perpetually affordable home for ownership they're going to build a percentage of rentals which that's great when mr riley is charging eight hundred seventy five for two bedrooms and fifteen hundred for single bedrooms and we're trying to retain the youth and we're trying to build affordable housing in shit in county they need thirty five hundred homes and there isn't a single home in that role center to date that will work for any of those children in that school yard that i'm helping to build a school for those kids will not have an opportunity to have any of that housing because it's at three hundred to four hundred fifty thousand dollars it is an absolute disgrace when you have a man on the d r b that takes part in affordable health and cast force when you have a state senator that's on that task force back in two thousand and thirteen when you have a select board member on that task force and then you have a weekend retreat on affordable housing in two thousand and fifteen sixteen and you are allow you a head of your d r v and another man to build three hundred fifty some odd homes and none of them are asked to be affordable they're given all at market rate what ever happened to lead by example those kids in that school are being taught that this is an absolute disgrace it's shameful miss ingram sen self after that retreat i've got absolutely no respect for the gentlemen here ma'am they are devastating this community the last ten years are going to be so scuse me ma'am i'm bipolar in the last time we met i was in the middle of a mania attack because of these gentlemen in this situation i'm fine i'm going to try to settle down i'm going to get to my notes a little bit but this is just ridiculous what's going on here and i'm going to do everything in my power to turn it around this is absolutely dissuade have a state legislator the head of the select board for the last ten years are you telling me that your colleagues expected did you vote on that legislation back in two thousand and five two thousand six you were not there my goodness i bought into that hook line and sinker i came to this town worst decision i ever made because i wanted to build affordable hells ing and shit in county i wanted to be a champion of it i was going to do it here where i've worked most of my life i was going to do it in the town that i lived most of my life and i was going to do it in a town where i grew up this is set me back ten years but this isn't about my project tonight i'll tell you about that the next time this is about a gross center the state of vermont girl center you you lord c c t am out here to help get it and how many people are riding that bus how many people would be buying it or right now if you had two hundred or three hundred homes in there you might even have some diversity and some color you have totally missed the mark those men have made tens of millions of dollars and you've got simply some rental units for this community sooner or later somebody that's got some power ok or some real authority is going to know what's went on here and they're going to agree like me this is unbelievable in this state in the state of vermont this is nothing more than a western a modern day western where you have a couple guys that own the housing build the banks build the hotel or let's call it american greed we've all seen that show too there isn't a single voice in this town over the last ten years than mrs ingram or missing girl but we haven't heard from her for a couple years she's fell in right in line finally this is the other voice right here and i'm going to keep coming here and saying it intil i see some affordable housing that those officers can own are they worth the are your officers mr mcguire the officers that you present your staff down below the public works they worthy of owning a home in this town that's affordable or just rental is that building some routes you think if you put people forty to fifty sixty seventy years old  county you blew a golden opportunity three to four percent interest rates you could have had one hundred fifty to two hundred homes because in that gross and it is the last item you have built twenty to thirty percent affordable you coulda had one hundred fifty to two hundred homes nine hundred twelve hundred dollars mortgage and taxes and what do you get you get a few rentals bellevue he won't tell me what's going on i go in there to see him he knows i'm looking in trying to figure out what's going on here i don't know how many they've built i know they're only rental ok have they met the twenty to thirty percent will you give me some answers because i don't trust these guys i fly i don't don't trust them you don't have a state legislator you don't have people like this on boards and stuff and come up with zero it looks dirty it looks like a duck it walks like a i think that's enough for tonight thank you for my five minutes but i'll be back throughout the summer down from the old brick church and our town service officer who has been for gosh long time is moving out of town and feels like she would not be able to members would like it also a list of folks on our various committees that would be just something i would love to have and be able to refer to as i've been working on a computer program x it's right in front of me here  that will present prepare that or provide that reports a thank you hotels as a convenience store gas we're looking to offer probably three or four types of wine and the same three or four types of beer so to gymnastics and then to locals so that it would be a nice selling point for tourists and they would property to get something like that i mean technically if someone came out and had proper identification from the outside they would be able to purchase but that's not something we ever  see people coming to buy things from the hotel otherwise and my friend to ask would be the people who are trying to sell every gone to the class to have the second class license and that makes me eligible to teach on site to the front desk team and we would just have a display available in the actual market itself and then an up close lock locked office that only front desk employees had access to we would keep all the actual product  board member ridge is participating in alembic floor plan how we are updating their stormwater system and the town has been very active searching for grants for these residential neighborhoods that are trying to upgrade their systems even after getting refused one grant we played again and were awarded a grant for this particular project or i should say we're calling phase one which is two of the three ponds we submitted bids for this project and actually the bids came in under what we were prepared to pay for and had grant funding to pay for that bid is anticipated and hoped to be awarded to the lowest bidder and really what we're working on now in eric's been really active in making sure all the paperwork is in line and making sure that legal counsel has reviewed that and all the t s are crossed and i's are dotted to make sure that we can move forward any other questions about the big picture reasonings about why we're here or technical questions about the pond in the plants i'm happy to address but i think eric can talk in more detail about where we stand legal agreements just one quick comment if you don't mind  between the grant was successful the second time in bids coming in below your estimates that's both good news yes we need good news but i'm not a betting man because most of my guesses are wrong when it comes town and that loan amount would be three hundred thirty eight thousand dollars three hundred thirty eight seven hundred five dollars this includes sixteen thousand eight hundred dollars in eligible loan expenses for project management from of the consulting engineer in the project mechanism in place for metal ridge and if it came up again where the town could supply the financial security by transferring money from the same water fun to the escrow fund this is in place charge ten percent of construction cost as part of the development agreement in the event place so the in this trip permit can be issued so we also need a mechanism to document that so that zoning as fair could then issue that issue that permit so by a previous escrow transfer agreement the the additional documents legal documents that go with this transaction are things that place except there's one piece we still need to work out the town's requested opinion stating that no the restrictions are po the title report affect the ability of metal ridge to construct operate maintain or repair the stormwater system and this was to assure will stand that will not encounter any problems down the road from a third party claiming some kind of interest easement area asking so right now there's some disagreement how this is sure as can be documented by the attorneys and they're currently working to resolve the issue so with that in mind a motion before the board tonight to consider would be to approve each of these the loa appropriate paperwork so can i just get reassurances from you again that these escrow transfer agreements are on a case by case basis for not doing a blanket agreement to do that every time so we get through each time that's correct as per the  reiterate one more thing with regards to the bid date of june eighteenth if we do not award or rather if we don't give middle ridge the go ahead to award the project to the contractor that contractors under no obligation to stick with that bit in which case we could be in a scenario in which we'd have to go back out for bid and no guarantee that the cost would come in around the same number so i think everyone's hoping we can get the final paperwork in line and give the go ahead i think one of the reasons why an escrow has been an issue with this particular project is that it involves new construction whereas other projects do not and so has different rules  i'm not quite sure exactly what their position other than the there's a special provision in the agreement and other than that of occasion but they  right now both the ball's in their court essentially because our attorney has written them a letter explaining exactly what we're looking for and why and we're waiting to hear back if if for some reason there is an imp e then it may end up coming back to that board that there are to this board rather and i don't know what form that would look like at that point my hope is that the two attorneys will work out some sort of compromise or solution that is acceptable of both parties i hope so too the worst case scenario sounds like it would be as the attorneys don't come to an agreement you'll you'll have to sign but you will not sign up and then we in a sense go back to square one about because we'll go by the sixty day period and the contractor could do everything from agree to hold the the activities welcome me much a p c your time and thank you can for having me my name is sarah reeves on the general manager for the chickens always district and for the benefit of people in the audience and folks may be watching at home in five main departments ministration finance and regulated hazardous waste facilities in our region communication we also manage or operate five types of facilities our drop centers the environmental depot the rover the materials recovery facility angry mail humph i like to provide about three thousand foot view and then i will bring it down to our five thousand feet and one or two of the particular topics and there that open up to any questions that you may have we are budgeting in our general fund revenues in the amount of eleven million one hundred thirty one thousand five hundred sixty one dollars we are budgeting expenses in the amount of ten million five hundred ninety seven thousand six hundred thirteen dollars and are looking at a very heavy capital expenditure year this year and usually is so one million seven hundred fifty five thousand dollars the bulk of that is at the material recovery facility and that will be part of the five thousand feet th i'll go into but we're not proposing are any increases to this always management fee that will remain at twenty seven dollars a ton we are also not proposing any increases to the trash fees at the drop of centers we are also not proposing any fee we do have a differential and that will be rectified over the next few months because we are raising the fee in the fourth quarter of the fiscal year we only raise the fee to twenty five dollars for industry members accordingly and the last two fees that have gone up one is the administrate a fee for a biosolids program and again that is due to capital investments that we need to make there as well as to a change in how we allocate our expenses across all of our budgets and as only a couple who are still using the the bloop and they're really very small and we really want to hurt more people to recycle as much as they can so most archimedes have gone to the larger carts including religion they're they're making their way through every year they buy more b we are contraction required to replace the equipment on a schedule regular schedule and so we own the building we own the land we have to buy the equipment and then our vendor operate also this year we need to replace the tipping literally the floor where the material is dumped out and swept up and begins the sorting process we can no longer patch it so we need to replace the entire floor and that will be about one hundred twenty thousand dollars so those two projects are in a big big chunk of the capital budget we're also making some dozens as i said in our biosolids program in our drop of centers we are budgeting to ask for that to be able to happen that is extremely last resort measure and the reason we requested that is as simply a relief valve should be necessary last summer policies and testing the waters and shooting across the bow this past january and then fully employed in march was their new much more stringent program called national story and what that did was it changed their acceptance criteria a whole host of scrap materials coming into the country and some of the contamination allowed contamination levels went down to below one percent so the allowable contamination of mixed paper done mail essentially is point five percent we could routinely meet seven or eight percent with the highest technology and the best analogy can me a three percent contamination right i don't know who point five so essentially have has become a ban that through the entire system into chaos it affected us and that the only material that we said to china was mixed it affected as because the the seven percent of all in process at the murph is mixed paper so we saw as receiving a last summer of words of seventy five dollars a tonne for a paper to last month having to pay fifty seven so that swing has affected everyone across the country it's a global issue obviously china was the largest consumer of them tiriel of over settles so we are working with our broker to go to secondary markets vietnam india  thailand indonesia and work career we've been working through those secondary markets they'll be filling soon vietnam has already closed the doors for the summer so they'll be reevaluated in the fall  all recycles as you said was just for paper and you have to be certain criteria we're talking with the z about what that would tie criteria would be but our goal is not ever have to ask for and it would also be temporary  i wouldn't as the page would be a month to month because the markets are changing month to month so if for example if the price to move paper to a market to broker is one hundred  fifty dollars a tonne and it costs one hundred twenty five to landfill it i have to take the less expensive option for the district and unfortunately but i would do that only again as a last resort and in a one month basis mean i understand this is the reality of the situation so i'm not questioning that i'm just trying to understand what does it say or mean when the one market you didn't mention at all in terms of waste paper was in the us and we are i believe a large producer of virgin paper i work at i don't work for national life i work at the national life building and i watch paper come in by the house and it is a relatively small country a company in a large country so i guess i kind of have this we're not weird i have this misunderstanding of why is it that we rely on markets outside of the u as opposed to markets in the u s now you're the subway system people you might have an insight on that that obviously you can't have an answer for that because you want the paper industry but i just appreciate your thoughts on that absolutely and this is been a long time coming this is not been a development it's happened in the past two years this has been twenty to twenty five years of planning and the government chinese government's side and they've done a good job they started out with their manufacturing process is building very large plate building building mills of every size right encouraging the billing small medium and very very large paper mills they are the largest very good prices for their second material so the recycle material follow the money the money was in china and little by little the mills in the united states started closing their very very few mills left new england  you probably know we used to rely on mills in new york and canada and maine there are no new mills in maine the the one mail that may be reopening actually was just bought by a chinese company so china is now starting to invest in the united states in some of these more recently mothballed mills one company i was at was in washington we can half ago when i was talking to brand owners and manufacturers and pratt industries was there and they are the fourth or fifth largest paper company in the us and they are the ones that are making significant in the billion dollar investments here in this country so there is some hope and i spoke with the vice president of sourcing and she was telling me that they still want mixed paper so you better believe that i have her business card and they do have plants in new york so i will be absolutely looking to try to utilize whatever we can as close as we can to be able to move our material as long as it meets their specifications and that was part of the issue as well china was taking everything in any condition the u s plants were more picky as they should be as they should have as china should have been all along so now what this is requiring sworn all of us in the industry to literally clean up our act so what i want to do by making this connection with the pratt and working with our customers we sell to convince hirshman we have local customers getting a better handle on their specifications talking with our vendors operating armor  making sure that we're meeting those specifications if we're not why and finding out how we can i see this as an opportunity we have an opportunity to be able to take advantage of these investments that are coming down the road we just need to make sure that we're set up to do that this is go particularly the northeast within the next two to three years we the district need to be primed and ready to move our material there were not there yet so that's my goal for the next couple of years is to make sure that we have in place what we need to take advantage when that opportunity arises on a constructive criticism note if you don't mind comment constructive comment no i'm an engineer and what would have been really helpful for me is kind of actually written summary of what you did as your introduction what happens with me is i look at this and i see numbers but i don't understand them they say you need to i should say you need it would be helpful for me if you could pull out information like you mentioned what the overall budget was what you need revenue what you would like for revenue coming in vs what you see your expenditures as how much your f t s are increasing those types of things that just the kind of the bulleted list of those things would have been very helpful for me i dig through this and i just can't pull it's just not possible for me to do that i did want to talk to you about it there are some comments in here we talk about the solid waste management on and you mentioned that it isn't increasing but you also seem to indicate there are changes that are going to be happening to it and i want to under you there's a company here that says minimizing our reliance on the solid waste management fee will be our priority and i want to understand that because it sounds to me like if i interpreted this correctly you'll be only focusing that revenue on a certain part of your operation where in the past maybe it was used more broadly and so one way to look at that is i think i got your point about it's a way to help us understand how our operations are running were we really spending the money versus bringing again but the other way to look at it is that you're keeping the fee small but you're also using it for a smaller piece of your budget so where does that other revenue come from to run those other pieces those will actually be increases kind of won't they maybe i'm getting the picture wrong i don't know and i'm but i'm trying to understand that in a bit of it is is if you could this may not be able to be done real briefly as possible what is the history of the sar waste management fund and what i mean by that what was it meant to do and what are you changing it to now let's start there because that's that's of great question and it leads to one of the other projects that i will be bringing to my board this summer and that is our charter so when i look for guidance on historical things i go back to the charter and i i look there first and last time it can this management fee be used for it's quite vague on the one hand that's good on the other hand that's not so good so there's not a lot of guidance as to what it historically was supposed to be used for and operations in general so i think over the years the district is probably simply be use it as it needed to to get programs going to subsidize operations to whatever was needed to run the district an image of the district which is appropriate what we want to what we mean by trying to minimize the reliance on that is to properly price our goods and services just like any other business would probably price of goods and services what we need to do is focus on what are the costs of goods and services and ensure that we know per ton exactly what everything costs too to do in the district we don't have as accurate an idea of that as i would like so we're focusing this year streamlining our finances simpl to to minimize reliance on that is that it doesn't keep going up and up and up in up essentially is a trash tax so if you want to maintain that support a certain level we have to recognize there are other areas would receive revenue whe or sale of materials etc so we're looking to where can we maximize those still keeping a good value and that's a good thing too it's not a shifting of the costs early but there are some items that we don't charge our customers for and there's always a cost to recycling isn't free composting isn't free but being from sure that the cost is directly related to what does it cost us to actually make this product run this operation which is necessary so we're trying to not trying to we are looking at what is critical to the function what do our residents and our members want to do and how do they want to do it to an extent and just going through all of our infrastructure we started th how to put this i've i like i think it's a good idea the concept of this we have the sort of waste management fee that we charge on on what is disposed of as trash and we use that feed partly to do things like subsidized recycling we use it to subsidize composting to the point where right now at least the recycling is free for i think there's no su it there's there's a cost oh i get i get it i get the point there's a cost but when i bring recyclables to the drop off center i don't get charged a fee and i think that's a good model because it helps encourage me to dispose less because i'm not only paying whatever the fee is for somebody either to collect it or metered to take it to the drop off center but i'm also paying that twenty seven dollars a tonne you know however that works out to be but i get this what i get free is these ways to divert material away from being i think that's a very good model and i guess my point would be is i don't know if it's a good idea to move away from that model is that what i'm hearing is we might be moving away from that model and one of the disservice is the entire recycling industry has has done for the past forty years is to put the idea out there that recycling is free and i understand the incentive and we want people to think before they throw in take a look at their their trash and put it in a different place that we can with you know with a lie less on disposal because you know we have the one landfill and and that is true but it hides the fact that there's a whole process behind the scenes you pull back the curtain there is a multi million dollar facility that has to sort through that recycling and there is a cost for that and there's a cost to process food scraps and leaf in the yard debris into quality high quality compost so we need to somehow balance that right and to make sure that there's there's the understood value of the processes and sometimes when things are perceived as free they perceive as having no value and we're trying to get away from that to say yes you know this is valuable to me as a consumer as a resident as a business owner i will pay for that i am not going to pay more than my trash no should you it's got to be a balance so we're trying to find but that balance is sending the right incentive signals to continue to divert but also to get across the fact that these things do cost money to run into managing to do properly that's the key as well understand the point it sounds like your sister to ship in the district has what i mean by that is in the past there was this model if you will of we need to make things like recycling as convenient and cost effective as possible now it's and i guess what i'm asking is as we shift to a new model that says we want to still keep it convenient but maybe it's not going to be as cost effective because we want people to realize the value when it is that something that the district is alone in or is that something we're seeing across the s absolutely cross the u s and you know the the issue that has popped up with china is forcing it particularly on the west coast programs to be shuttered are being shattered new models have to happen and that was part of the conversation again at this new nose at washington washington was you know the old ways are gone and they're done and things are changing everywhere facing the same pressures so things will be changing ok i mean the last question i have is the biosolids you said the administrative fees were changing for the bios or what is the administrative anything we are essentially the fiscal agent or that none of that is created they pay directly but we manage the contract and we measure the logistics for moving the material to the different locations whether it's class a class b or disposal so essentially our only function is as manager of the contract so again we are also responsible for replacing the trailers and that's our capital investment that we are needing to ramp up we have not been replacing them on a schedule and we're doing that now so it's managing the purchasing of the trailers and getting them out to the vendor checking up on the vendor making sure that they're maintaining that the trail participating in that program yes for instance and i have no idea if the tri town essex wastewater treatment plant does or does not it doesn't matter but if it does it is participating if it does it isn't  quagmire is that if i vote no i have concerns i'm not sure i'm thinkin of the new direction the district is going i may be in the future i'm just not tonight and craig i would actually you've been quiet so far i'd actually like to hear your opinion because i shall you wouldn't think you're doing actually a pretty stellar job as a representative so is that ok to certainly  s i think you know series done a really remarkable job since she became the general manager and i think one of the things that she really explained to the board was that we needed more insight into the financials of the different departments so the way she is re organize the departments and then the budgets and the expenses have really started to allow us to see different co and i think in and in the in that process we've seen that we need to reconsider how we will potentially do things going forward and i think tonight she really described that there's really been no decisions made i think what really sharing tonight is that this process is ongoing and the board members on the town reps are going to go involved and i think you know as we move through the process she  myself you know will be sharing things with the select board i think she really tonight just really wanted to share the possible entourage and that might occur ask a follow up questions that ok would one it is increased as a way to i'm going to use word subsidize again some of these programs that are heavily use partly because they are so cost effective in other words i guess i'm asking if it is that something that's off the board or is that something this really is not off the board if it's interesting in a different approach i think there would be very different viewpoints on our board we have a pretty diverse group of difficult but good about civility and it makes for a very very interesting conversations very in depth and involved in very passionate so there would be certainly a difference of opinion i would think in what you're suggesting which is increasing essentially the subsidies to these programs we are able to provide the level of service to our residents and still maintaining a modest sours management fee in the scheme of things what it costs is a testament to all the work that happened before i got here so that model has been good but that's a very valid question to bring to our board and craig certainly can on behalf of the town to say you know there and and business is not the only town to bring this up in this you know for whatever reason and we're not sure trashed post keeps going up so we do have the volume the volume and so we do see  standpoint to use that over excess amount to continue to subsidize on the programs is kind of just a philosophical question to me very much is yeah so i can see that being heavily debated but it being a very good to have so i know that our one thing that i'm encouraging our finance committee was to meet more regularly so this would certainly be brought to them and they would debate it and then bring i receive many complaints about the the future are just so which management fee charged the haulers every now and then will receive a grumbling but i'm not sure if it was a bad day or if there was truly related to the twenty seven dollars because we're not the highest and we do have good services you raise it of course you will hear from that great thank mentioned that we are looking at some key infrastructure operations so we are in the middle of taking a look at streamlining the amount compost in preparation for the twenty twenty band landfill low level orders to no odors that is the priority and if it seems that we are unable to meet the increase we need to find a way to divert the excess so we're actively looking at that right now because we know that that's a priority the other pieces i mentioned is the drop off their strategies we're meeting in a week and a half two weeks with our board and staff to talk about the future of the top of their systems and the next will be the future of the merck because of all of the reasons that we discussed earlier so that's happening there as well last i think we were you were here i think brian right was here also and there was discussion about potentially increasing the capacity of the compost facility is that still being contemplated so we're now looking at increasing our permitted limits that county may be producing by two thousand and twenty of fourteen twelve fourteen thousand tons of food scraps a day a year y comfortable with that so but we know that we have responsibilities somehow manage to direct the management of the remainder so that's the piece they were looking at right now is do we do it or do we come up with a system where some portion of it is ginning county even though they're across the greens so we're looking at partnering with you know a lot again of those options are on the table but that is our primary focus right now and again it's to be a good neighbor and that's one  good neighbor this is just my own personal feeling i think in the past the district was very good at telling the town what it was going to do as opposed to coming to town and expressing how can we work together and then as a member of the district to be honest i don't know how i was to put it that didn't feel very good chef expressed before craig we really appreciate your updates almost monthly and i really appreciate the that to keep us informed what's going on with the district position and we've decided to fill that as a planner position rather than the senior planner and promote emily heyman who is currently planning technician within the park so she will soon planner  she came to us with eight or nine years of experience we've decided to promote her to senior plan so i think that completes for the moment to be all the movement within the planning department  supposed to radon gas they can develop lung cancer so it's a very important issue and i know when i lived in my house i had it tested and it was positive in the basement for it on and they installed in the geishas system i had to retest recently and it came back fine so that in any case we had the time building tested and we had problems with two buildings one was the older church which is above the state limit and we will be looking to install a mitigation system there a fortune no one resides down there at extended time period but there are groups there is one group in particular that uses a good part of the day on sundays so we've notified all the put the various buildings on a retest schedule health department look at the buildings to be tested every so many years to schedule and one more thing before we are maybe two more things before we go into the presentation we've been approached by channel seventeen with the prospect of conducting a monthly t show and we'll be able to focus on various issues of interest to the community and bring in various speakers and presenters including department heads and possibly sniper members and so we're going to give it a try our first show is it's been poor health for the last several years i think it is dying so we'll have to look at it and see if it comes back a little bit on this year that it's  church and there's a bunch of trees that are in front of it and maybe we can find one tree that's resistant to that's your home and i have an elm tree in my backyard so oh it's that seems to be v program i was at a meeting over the weekend and summer mentioned that it would be nice if we could do video presentations regard various boards and commissions that we have in town because we hosted an online survey where we solicited community feedback and tonight is the select board meeting so i think probably most of you are familiar with the location of maple road it is a approximately to walk on street in between old stager road and u s highway to slosh williston road it is a curb bliss and narrow twenty foot wide streets  paved in asphalt and primarily residential and character these are the existing natural resources and built environment you can see that there are a handful of utility poles fire hydrant sewer covers sidewalks and some streams and bricks so part of this type of project is developing a purpose and a statement to identify the purpose and need and for this project the purpose is to ensure that the design of maple road supports the safe and efficient movement of all modes of transportation while also retaining the neighborhood character of the road and supporting the needs of it the need for the project is documented by resident concerns related to discouraging cut through traffic lowering vehicle speeds and hansing safety for bicyclists and pedestrians getting into the existing conditions here the road is a local street so that is the lowest on the functional classification scale it's intended for local traffic the right of way is three rob forty nine point five feet paved with of the road is twenty feet and the eighty which is average annual daily traffic are traveling and it's used to assess kind of what what the outliers are in terms of speed traffic as we assess it looks like it's primarily residential traffic as well as school drop off traffic so based on the purpose in the in statement and in light of the existing conditions we developed several different alternatives these were presented in the community survey which we will get to the results of i'm going to present the alternatives so the first one is what we call alternative a sidewalk and north side so that would be a five foot wide sidewalk on the north side of and then that would be continuing on the west side between village grove and and most alternative one being would be sidewalks outside so between  add speed humps with the location of those would be one on the north south segment and one on the east west segment and i would also just like to note that this was modified slightly from the one that was presented in the community survey initially there were four speed humps and then it was style back to two speed humps and in this slide here you can see where the location of those would be the third alternative is an advisory shoulder which is a relatively new type of treatment it is dash lines approximately five feet out from the edge on either side to create a space where bicyclists and pedestrians or other non motorized users would operate when vehicles are encountering each other they would be allowed to enter into that space but in general  they would drive towards the center of the road this is a type of treatment that would be used under the low volume roads and the intention is to create a visual separation and to sort of further clarify what the usage of the street is finally alternative for would be no build so we would be retaining the current design and operation of maple road so now i'm going to talk about the community survey results this is open from april eleventh to  twenty seconds it was promoted by c c r p c and the town of the list and the front port there were a total of thirty nine responses thirty three of which were complete ninety for ninety five percent of the respondents were wilson residents and fifty one percent live on people wrote i do for you to this i also just want to note that when we presented the alternatives no billed option was not included at that point have since added that in and we've also noted that there was a preference for that that emerged in the open ended responses so if you're wondering why that's not up here that's the reason so what this shows you i and the lights so we also segment it out by maple road residents as well as wilson residents in general who did not live on the road and what we can see some differences between what the residents of the street are for versus not residents we also have an open ended response section and some of the common themes that emerged from those responses w a preference for a no build option the feeling that the location of the sidewalk whether was on the more side of the south side would be cause of disagreement potentially concern regarding responsibility for sidewalk and the possibility that pedestrians may still walk in the road even though the sidewalk given that we be looking at a ferry fairly narrow sidewalk to fit in space there so based on those results we are recommending no build option and that is primarily based on the fact that the vehicle speed in volume data that we evaluated don't suggest in of themselves and the for modification  there was no strong support for the second two or alternatives two and three that emerge from that and finally there is not a history of recent history of crashes on maple road that would warrant a further investigation of that so as far as the next steps go we are planning to submit a final report for the study sometime this month and now i will open it to questions stuff around the traffic generated in that area currently there's thirteen homes on maple road and i believe eleven on village grove so i think that the m e t c d which is the manual on uniform traffic control devices which we follow which is most never municipalities go i think they state that the highway meets or exceeds six thousand vehicles per day in order to technically warrant a stop sign and or twelve month period five or more such crap car crashes has happened over two year period as an alternative  board doesn't want to spend additional funding on a stop sign survey for this in the section i mean the cd recommends many possibly yield signs out there for both intersections but as we have discussed her throwing a stop sign and relocating a stop sign can cause liability to the town and many circumstances many different reasons we have spoke to regional planning in regards to what it would take to get a stop sign warranty analysis done and they basically said they would be able to do it no problem as for the cost there would be a cost for the time it will last and directly my only fear is if we do the stop sign or taking malices and find out that it's not warranted then that leaves us even more of a liability by putting one after we have the proof in the documentation that  be my guess would be that they were designed when the subdivision was designed and they were they were installed at that current time if we went around town and dared stop sign weren't a mouse is a bet you're going to find a lot of places are not wanted and  be removed and i don't think that the town wants to start to think that at this time but i am pretty sure as you know one player park we just remove stop signs and rechanged in the intersection with a stop sign control and then when you did now it's it's worse i also do it just in support of the neighbors i mean you've got a beautiful street i would hate to see a sidewalk coming down there and roone it's just this little hamlet that's absolutely understand and i'm by nature i stuff there when i go through i think there's not even a stop sign and i stop there so i just say guess i'm not understanding why something it's not costing a lot of money it isn't requiring meter changes infrastructure as a as a direct t so the way that it kind of curves you would probably need to remove some pavement and i say that you could just change the location of the stock you'd have to study it how it might recommend that you i can tell based on the conversations made with recent multiple different feedbacks yes no maybe so we want this we want that there's been no real consensus that's why the staff is doing the recommendation of  currently you know builds until we can figure out a consensus just like the engineer said that we i recommend this where it's no data to back it up actually a little bit my point is right now we have a road where two roads where it's the town i'm sorry she said that there's no direction of you has the right of way so if there were no i'm just trying to explore this little bit if there were no accident and how would they ever sign blame because there's no right of way is there i don't know there's always a right of way actually if in the back to want to get driver's ed class that's the same as the four way intersection down here on north will salute the person that gets there first gets to go first if you both arrive at the same time the person to the right has the right of way and i am just trying to we put a stop signs in to help you i've got village grove coming in straight do i have the right away because i'm staying on maple road or do i have right away because i'm going straight to the stop sign typically i put it to you clear the intersection or the t military's a stop sign there but if i heard you right that was probably the town would not encourage having a stop sign there now i don't think it would but the data would want to warrant it because of what would happen is if you were on maple row and you got to that so it's a public road so we can't prohibit people from using it as a cut through the concept is how to discourage them and i'm i guess and believe me it no one about to say i'm i'm not even this at all an option physically either you could block off part of the road or you might make me pull place one way i'm just putting these out there for argument's sake ok ok that are  there's so so what i'm hearing is there's no ability to prevent it from being a cut through which is the stop sign as you've indicated on what you gave the reason that we connect developments in different subdivisions but also allow cut through this so that traffic can move easier throughout the town i if you're doing the cutthroat i'm sorry i'm going to explore for a second if you're doing the cut through from zero to stage two richard wilson road to get to school quicker so you board the cars and is there a stop because it to me that i mean when i see those go on the line you know it's on your street anyway i'm always looking for kids just because of the nature of how it is but i would think if i were driving along and i saw that it's going to be an instant indicator to go and be doesn't have speed bumps going to your road or a sidewalk going to your oh wouldn't that be a cool idea if it works i just wondered i just didn't know that that something can be done that's worth a try that's d sign putting one of those signs that is not a problem that can be done at least you've got something going your favor while you're sitting there trying to find out if you can move the stop sign that's that day trying to get something without causing a questions one of question i'm on page twenty two of the scoping study i'm on the first paragraph and three point four and there's a statement in here that i just found a little bit  ok so it's been deleted if you well ok board packet with regulations on them proposing a new section it would be article here where we where we would look to restrict through truck traffic on some roads in town and the reasoning behind restricting through truck traffic it's a way to the script to prevent trucks from trying to find short cuts cut through as again from state roads to to local roads in  town trying to these roads are more suited for their use both design standpoint and original construction of the road to keep heavy trucks off them and also on keep seats larger trucks at residential areas so we'd be talking about  trucks going through town from one space to another if there was a delivery on that road so the nature of access that road public works would provide permission for that the the other major section of road and by doing this it provides the police department with a mechanism they can write a ticket under part of state statutes of the town get a portion of the revenue from the tech take it on the state route  lots to do in your answer questions question i have is is look good so much of the discussion we just had the prohibiting truck traffic from using roads as a cut through i get the concept i like the concept do we have the right to do that i guess is the way to put that what is the rationale for doing that if it's something allowed by the board you know speaking of  built to withstand as much of that for state roads originally made it better based on trying to avoid that truck son extra truck traffic when possible and you see some of these roads we've listed  no through truck traffic are the standards i mean does that they reference that federal guidance document uniform traffic something something something is is this appropriate under that you know i get the wear and tear piece i get the what get the wear and tear piece i just want to make sure that there is a a sound rationale that we can hang our hat on you know  least very strongly as i do in the man manual in uniform traffic control devices i think is something like that anyway and he would not be suggesting a change that was inconsistent with that ok i mean there are certainly other roads that i would like to see have truck traffic limited on i you know just for instance north williston road you know down t four thousand pound twelve ton limit is that equate to what we're talking for a truck there  it is this a i soon it's not a pickup truck but i assume it's definitely something smaller than you know your big tractor trailers that you see on the interstate and that type of thing it would just be helpful for me to understand what that what that means and trying to picture it in for example a dump truck fully loaded with filler gravel right i'm just thinking some examples enable the look up and find an answer to when you know with the delivery truck that to live or to our new clothes washing machine exceed that or not it is just to help me understand even if it did it would still be permissible because just described is how my way for sometimes gets so mad at me when she thinks she's asked me to do a simple project a couple hours later i'm still not done because i found all these other aspects of it t