big story getting started here dependable packaging is a small miami company and in the audience that area for corporate officers of going to miami to listen in on our oral arguments today they also made its way to the judges i'm not sure nobody sure where it is but and it was made after the time but the joint appendix is close so it's not a matter of the record warehouses to retail outlets but it's not thrown away in the flowers and repacked as in they're sold in those items there's sold the flowers are placed in my client's containers delivered  o stores wherever they may be and they are sold in that condition yes and they're sold by the stores as being invasive and they're not as yes how many flowers they the retailers then charge more for those yes that's correct but pages twenty one and twenty two on new site to the the appendix at one point six one twenty seven for the statement most supermarkets do not have florist on their premises that can care for flowers that tend to be fragile and so on i can get that out of one twenty six one twenty seven where do you get and i think you want to look at the bottom of one twenty six and the top of one twenty seven and starting in line three the answer which begins some of them i and the question was  at the stores surely that you cited to pages one twenty six and one thousand are on the record i am asking you where in those pages is the support for that state to that those lines you can see mean that was the most likely thing you were going to say but that doesn't seem the supporting not to i don't see here myself right now but during my rebuttals i can track it down i will oh sure  exclusive for packing houses of cut flowers and therefore whether packing and cut flowers are the ultimate supermarkets and other stores that sell these commodities and we believe that the your bringing in the vase a vase whether the vase can be used for packing or convenience we don't know it was never any evidence of but came in there is evidence that my client's product which is used for packing could  and be taken home with the flowers but just a pure vase coming in no evidence but it could be used in what packing a conveyance of got flowers we don't know you refer to your clients product as bases that have they refer to well there is evidence on the record that they could be used so the entry papers and so forth but to us through glass containers or packages and not basis and actually there's nothing in the why i say to parents because the of the record evidence and the police show that the information about these bases and we have samples of the bases that are up here shows that it really does fit containers are decorative in nature and aid in the sale of the flowers so that answers i think the previous question to the aid in the sale of flowers but they're also decorative they're admittedly designed to be decorative and that's  buying invasion flour separately they want the ease of having the container and flowers as a unit ready to display it in their home or office so the import of that is that they're both buying the villages and the flowers the  consumer at the retail market is buying the business flowers because they want twelve and they want gold to display in the home of the office or office that is exactly what indoor decorative items are there for display in the home or office and if you could go through lugs at the top so you could take a cap or something to the manner in which the thing itself is actually going to be able to convey the item that's inside sufficiently and well cle has stated that they sell to warehouses where they actually talk flowers in the vase is they actually then go beyond that and they do a lot of packaging a duck to mind unit that they want to sell to retail stores they do corrugated partitioning putting them putting plastic around putting them in a box and that's really protecting the combined unit which is what the retail the supermarket the retailers are really both sides are really admitting that and coming to the same conclusion that the retailer or the result purchasers actually using this item to display in their home and combine that with the agreement by the supply any give some names don't right now does that support your statement most supermarkets do not have a florence alarm using this testimony to support the fact that the observed  some might have in house flaws but the majority we supply don't know that that's not the same as your statement your statement says most of the markets don't  really wouldn't make any sense for a couple of reasons one is if you if you have a closer and you put it and you put the closure on the top of the of the product and you can't put the flowers in because a closure is blocking the flowers going into the container or if you put the flowers in the container then you can close it with a closure because the country ours would interfere with the closures so we're saying the closure means nothing i is really i would phrase it as a fugitive decision my characterization because there are other cases for example where if the record indicates an arc fires every shift in close lower court found that the glass containers were classified under seven zero one zero kraft case also found the same and the case involving automatic was three cases on came the same conclusion that glass containers are classified under seventy two and if you look at seventy thirteen anything flats planner seventy ten cannot be classified as seventy thirteen so it's been alice's i would think would be that you would go the court would go immediately to seventy percent you have a description of a glass container for packing and conveyance is what we have here as you come to conclusion that the actual use of that glass container is for packing and conveyance then you never get to seventy thirteen because it is now precluded you cannot go to seventy thirteen once you've satisfied that the actually use is under seventy ten so we believe as i said that the lower court's decision in light of other yes ok thank you