and good evening ladies and gentlemen welcome tonight especially a regularly scheduled meeting of the whole city council it's great to have you in chambers this evening if you're with us or watching at home or somewhere around the world on line let us make sure we can conduct dexter here we have a cormier all right thanks and we begin this evening's meeting as we begin all of our meetings with two items first an invocation this evening which will be led by our city attorney ron bender mean immediately thereafter we will say the pledge of allegiance to the flag so if you're in chambers i especially invite you to rise and join us in both of these items and if you're at home or somewhere else you can rise and join us in the mix well if you rights there are paper copies of this evening's agenda located on the base of the television monitor in the rear of the room surfer in chambers tonight we like to get a copy of the agenda feel free to grab a copy additionally if you have an electronic find them is either to go to the agendas and minutes tab or to the calendar page go to today's date you'll find all of that information available to you typically we put out days maybe even the friday before a meeting takes place so you can review what it is that we review as we prepare for these meetings as you review the agenda you'll know there are a variety of items listed that have an asterix next to them these are the items that we have identified as being somewhat routine or have otherwise been discussed by council and so therefore we have a tentative basis at least put them on what we call the consent agenda what that means is all of those items regardless of where they appear on the agenda will be voted on with one motion and one vote and handled collectively and perhaps that's not quite as routine as as what we think it is and in fact you might be here tonight to discuss one of those items so what we will first do is ask our deputy city clerk to read for us the items that are on consent and then i'll give some instruction to see if anybody would care to remove an item from the consent agenda for so first and if you would read for us what is presently on our consent genda item eleven eight to accept in file of the office from various boards and commissions fourteen a one to approve a contract was ian black top in for a total amount one hundred fifty nine thousand one hundred for the repair of existing asphalt in the construction of new driveways at the forty eighth street generating station a transfer from contingency in the amount of thirty four thousand nine hundred dollars pending city attorney approval i don't fourteen need to to prove a contract with g m be in the amount of thirty thousand for the design of the northeast section of the service center in the budget transfer from contingency for this project comparable us to perform by the city attorney item fortini three to approve a contract with ip consultant for a total amount of one hundred eighty thousand four hundred twenty three dollars and once that for the phone system upgrade pending approval  form by the city attorney item fourteen eighty six to approve an agreement with grand i rate in the amount of one million two hundred thousand for the purchase of property located at forty nine west third street pending approval as to form by the city attorney item fourteen a seven to approve a contract with the lotro magnetic applications in for the total amount of thirty one thousand four hundred thirty five for the one thirty eight k v interconnect route action study pending approval as to form from the project attorney item fourteen b one and item nineteen two except in place our first reading of ordinance amendments to sections thirty nine dash one eighty five thirty nine dash one one one thirty nine dash one ninety seven thirty nine dash one ninety eight thirty nine dash two ten a m fourteen dash four point three two to allow and permit assessor a dwelling unit in residential zone districts with the final reading to take place on june third two thousand and fifteen council meeting fourteen the one to refer a claim filed against the city to the city's insurance carrier and city attorney for consideration item fourteen e two point one t approve the lease agreement without accounting for the management of the pop up park and a budget adjustment of twenty five thousand dollars from the legacy fund approval asked for by the city attorney and fourteen each three point one to declare a surplus various vehicles and equipment as indicated in report and that set items be disposed of in the manner that is most advantageous to the city i am fourteen eat three point two two approved bid submitted by john hooks  in the amount of eight thousand five dollars and fifty cents and was an hour for a toro z more in the amount of eight thousand one ninety four sixty three and to amend the centralized vehicle equipment fund fiscal year fifteen for said purchases item fortini four point one to adopt a resolution for the updates to the city emergency management plan in ford's address resolution to the emergency management directors in both alec and in ottawa county i am fourteen eve five point two to approve of a broken bow license agreement for the installation of an awning for a new how in brewery brewing located at sixty six east eighth street i am fourteen eve five point three two approved a we woke up a license agreement for the installation of a projecting sign for warner been your inc located at twenty six east eighth street i didn't fortini five point four to adopt a resolution to amend an existing industrial development district to include a continuous parcel and facility improvements for everest expedition c also known as the warden company located at one ninety ninety seven thousand street item fourteen five point five to schedule a public hearing for the requested tax abatement for everest expedition  six to approve a release waiver and demo form with hayward inc for the two thousand and fifteen howling news connections program and item fourteen eve five point seven to approve an agreement with  area chamber of commerce foundation for the planning gordon meaning and implementation of the silent observer program and amend the public safety budget in the amount of five thousand dollars all right thank you and up now that is what we're go handle collectively in our if anyone's here for any of those items i would invite you to step forward to the microphone and let us know which one you'd like taken off of the consent agenda and it will be handled in its spot on the agenda otherwise anybody care to remove an item from the consent agenda council rules also permit members of council to remove water more items from the consent agenda and i look to my colleagues to see if anybody would care to remove an item or more items from the consent agenda tonight seeing not what is the pleasure of counsel pl a communication there's twelve oh i'm sorry my turn your microphone on please so say that you're right kurt thank you know just get all right we go then to item twelve communications from the audience this is the opportunity for members of the public to address council on any topic that does not otherwise appear on the agenda if you want to talk about something on the agenda we can take it up where it shows up on the agenda but if you're here to address council generally we invite you to step forward to the podium please state your name and residential address for the record and you have up to five minutes to address council on any topic the microphone is open since we have someone coming to address council i also let you know that when you begin speaking i'll see a little green light that shows up and he's me when it turns yellow it means you have one minute left when it turns red it means your five minutes of expired thank you good evening and welcome  i'm suzanne harrington i moved back to holland after many years absence in two thousand and ten and i love being back i have got a dog and this dog is  one seven five east twenty fifth street and it likes to go for walks but the south side in the east side doesn't really have a nice dog park there was a petition for one to be  that went out last year and was signed and it went into limbo never heard what happened to it it was for lakeview school turning it into a dog and i just want to put that forward what might we do for those on the south and east side for a nice dog park in our neighborhoods all right so i think we'll ask the city manager to sort of give us an update as to some of the things that are perhaps being well perhaps underway and certainly being discussed on that particular matter mr kopp i think there are two sites under consideration this dog park is something the city council considers every january in terms of their statements of goals and it has been on that list for the last three years a city staff is working on it in addition to the petition support lakeview school did not work out for reasons that pertain to its school property and there's other matters associated with that however there is a parcel that we're looking at and doing due diligence on two stages of due diligence phase want to phase two reports they're called to avenue near west school we've talked to the property owners nearby as well and we have conceptual understanding and concurrence should we wish to make that into a dog park once we have the environmental due diligence done and the city council receives that report and makes their their wishes known second i costs associated with fencing so we are looking for funding partners and if we know of people that want to make donations to assist in the funding to that fence i think it could expedite that matter once again that would be subject to a plan that this w come to the city council for their approval and terms of that expenditure so with that mr mayor that pretty much sums it up i suspect we'll have more information in the matter of three to six months and hopefully a plan that we can act on ryan when we hope to get the environmental phase one and phase two reports back and we see phase one which justified and basically requires phase two so i would i would think in a matter of six pro tem that's your ward correct what was what was your address east it's the sixth ward i believe we know something about some of the dog park progress and processes but that's where we're at right now doing some some site evaluations generally speaking want to make sure the four legged friends are not tramping around in contaminated sites so that's where we're at ok thank you thank you for coming tonight other communication i'm for those not understanding the right for think jodi about a year and a half ago retired from the city after twelve or so years of employment with time if you so jody has sat through her fair share more than her fair share together various organizations in the hounds in one area that deal with our dutch heritage to help support and promote their missions and their efforts tonight i'm i want to let you know the publication of a new booklet it is photos of historic sites as well as a map of those sites for driving purposes and a new feature is a bike map that allows people to either take the whole tour or portions of the tour to visit a number of these  sites the booklet was published by the ben wrote the institute at hope college on behalf of the dutch american historical commission and the dutch heritage coordinating council the narrative was written by dr robert swearing got the booklet is for sale  t the hope college bookstore readers were old and the holland and zealand museums however because of your support for the d h c c over the years we wanted to present each of you with a copy tonight so i'm very happy to give that to you at this time thank you very much jodi and retirement were i thought you're here for american bloom because you wear many many you the microphone is still open if anyone would care to address coun holland energy park construction oversight service contract we welcome to the podium the general manager of the board of public works dave custardy dave good evening mare and members of city council one item not on consent t in seeing the process through to this point the ground has been broken out there and we have a lot of site onsite activity along with that we've got a lot of work going on with managing about sixty million dollars of contracts associated with the owner furnished equipment it's called and that's the large piece of equipment from siemens and from vote that are part of the in the actual power train and so as the  mal's work as the engineer procure and construct contractors just getting going at this point and site activities expected to increase significantly some additional oversight is needed and this is something that we've contemplated as a staff for some time we have an opportunity to bring carry rodel c which is a is a one person firm douglas floor is that individual and he has many many years of experience in the power industry and specifically in construction management associated with very large projects and so doug is we've reached to an agreement  terms conditions on this which would allow for his services at a rate of ten thousand dollars just over ten thousand dollars per month and that would secure his services for four days a week up to twelve hours a day at least ten hours possibly up to twelve hours a day depending upon the construction schedule of those days and there is also an in the agreement an element of housing support of twelve hundred everything that we would be responsible for would be expenses and actual labor that doug has incurred to that time so we expect the project to be done by february of two thousand and seventeen there will be some punch list items that will be being managed but we certainly don't expect that the services for carry road will at last that entire time but it is it's paid on a monthly basis so there is no requirement that our expectation that doug would be compensated the entire mon is contemplated through the not to exceed price in the recommendation however we do believe it's important to give the staff some additional this type of expertise and support as i mentioned dan has a lot of construction experience himself and a lot of experience with managing projects but will be spread quite thin as we're dealing with not only the construction of the plant but also gas pipeline of thirteen miles to bring fuel into the plant and transmission line out of the plant interconnect at the g m st substation and so we believe that the rate that we've put in place here for doug which equates to around fifty five dollars an hour at the four twelves is a very attractive rate given the fact that all the overheads sensually his his costs and his insurance cost frankly will be borne by him under that under that hourly fee so that is a little bit of background i would be happy to answer any questions that you have we did have some discussion upstairs on this item but certainly people i'm sorry well council members are people too if any want to council have questions for the general manager a then we jump down then to an item from the city attorney and that is an item from the city attorney to us from sorry fourteen c one to appoint bond counsel for the potential pension obligation and issuance of bonds of the sort contemplated here is one of those areas that requires special expertise from legal counsel the finance director has investigated a couple of different firms and in our discussions we have come to recommend that miller canfield be engaged as special bond counsel section two forty seven of the ordinance code requires the city attorney to approve of the appointment before coun does or be of the engagement before counsel engages the special counsel you have our reporter approving of that at this time i think it's probably important to note that this doesn't mean that bonds will be issued it's the first step towards investigating the potential for issuing the bonds to deal with pension obligations and if mr badly wants to indicate anything more the several other steps where this will come before you with information and ultimately it will take your decision dr rice abounds before those can be issue all right thank you ron any questions for the city attorney the most important piece of that discussion is that before any bonds would be a should there be a whole lot more discussion to happen and ultimately vote by counsel on it so mr city manager please there will be yes there will be an expense associated with this as it goes forward including this item and i believe it's our intent from rock to share this  discussion comes from a camper and i just one question we have any idea what that expense might look believe the report indicates and gauge it would be at a cost of about forty three thousand dollars yes forty three thousand  estimation tim just to to add context to the expense i mean it's kind of one of those not spend money to make money but rather spend money to save a heck of a lot of so good evening mr wagner who is the head of the city's finance department thank you yes we expect savings of at least five million dollars depending on the terms so if we there's two ways to look at this we are able to extend cash flow so we can delay payments so that we aren't hit as hard in the next two or three or four years with pension costs so that's one savings the other side of that is that that cost more money the longer we delay that so a ten year term for example will save us to see a significantly larger amount of money in a amount and i would say it's at least five million dollars unquote emergency ordinance and a related resolution for this we first turn to either the city manager or the city attorney and i'll look in this direction and let you guys for for i i'll give it a short intro and then the mic can accept this i'll defer to our city attorney the as you know that it will island gardens there are often receptions and these receptions are catered by licensed professionals who have a license for that such thing that sort of thing these beverages serves are of course soft drinks beer and wine however there are two events coming up june second and august fifteenth which case there's a request to feature of local beverages that are produced that are outside of that such as spirits these fairs are produced by at least two local brewers and there's an opportunity opportunity to showcase west michigan a specific lee holland and in a new way and a way that will improve i think we think of the business plan for one million gardens as well as the entire region so what you have before you is a ordinance that's been crafted since this is has come upon us quickly for this summer season that is stated in such a way that would enable up to six events of women lying gardens to have these spirits served by a licensed caterer that's obviously trained and insured for this purpose which time after afterwards next winter for example you could consider whether you wanted that to continue or not it would not be able to be continued after six events after a date certain so with that the city attorney has a process by which this would be possible otherwise it is not possible yes as manager indicated the the ordinance currently does not allow spirits to be served at will islander and other public places except a few exceptions that aren't applicable here the proposed ordinance would allow the city manager to issue  permits for events that would have the sale possession or consumption of alcohol a clicker at when the island it would require approval the proposed language of the ordinance would require approval by resolution of council first and then the permit process would be handled the ordinance code currently requires a sixty day advance filing requirement for permits to allow for investigation the draft language for that would relate only did window island  in this pilot program would allow the waiver that sixty day period if the manager determines he has enough time still to do the investigation needed for issuing the permit the ordinance provides  this is a pilot program only for two thousand and fifteen so after the end of two thousand and fifteen it would expire and that no permits would be allowed after that unless she choose to to revise the ordinance again to include that option and a mr cotton indicated up to six permits could be issued this year because the ordinance adoption process requires in the normal process requires the first reading in a second reading and then publication before the effectiveness of the the ordinance would take some time along with the sixty day waiting period that's four applications that's in the current ordinance that would pretty much wipe out most of the summer at this point in time if the ordinance was adopted and so we presented before you a proposed resolution to adopt an emergency basis which is allowed under the charter so that it's effective immediately and then the manager's office can go forward with processing a permit for events for the summer that would be the first step adopting the ordinance as an emergency basis the second step is you have an event that's requested a permit a that will be here later meeting later meetings or just the june two event tonight all right so let me see if i really understand what we're talking about sort of no pun intended but to distill this down thank you very much to first of all would be to for the first time this particular event for the june date and then the final action or asking us to take is to adopt the ordinance on the quote unquote emergency basis which is the language of the church which allows an action to have immediate effect instead of a first reading second reading and then twenty one day activation period that would be correct that day i would switch those two last two around you done your debts first as an emergency basis and then you would give permission for the permit for the event assuming it all passes it wouldn't just be us resolution for this particular event but every time there would be a request up to six under this pilot program that would have to come before council for our additional evaluation in addition to all the rules and regulations about being tips trained and having us a sufficient liquor license and being insured and all those kinds of things but who are serving the correct ok all right that is what is before us  council on this particular item i'd invite you to step forward to the podium please seeing no one not a motion please first of all on the request to amend the ordinance on an emergency and amend the ordinance and do so on an emergency basis movie appro three no peters yes mayor dexter yes motion passes six yes three no all right then we have a request from the city manager's office as well  as conjunction with the city attorney's office for the resolution approving the event scheduled for june two or three to june to as well as a waiver of the sixty day notice requirement can i get a motion to that one please move to prove i was ordered by birch supported by the mayor pro tem is there discussion that i don't on under technology services fourteen he has three point three the long awaited much discussed much debated much maligned discussion on telephones serves city hall and the two fire stations and a three com ip system that serves the rest of our living buildings though the first system the north pole is actually over twenty years old and the three com system is now about ten years old both of those systems have been latest technology we replace all the phones of desktops and we'll also include what's called a soft phone which is a desktop client within that client staff will be able to see the status of other folks or on city hall they'll be able to see whether they're on a call whether out of meeting will be able to transfer those calls to them right from their desktop basically anything you can think of with a new modern telephone system will have the cisco system part of the reason that we went to the cisco model because as you know the city has been a active partner in the ottawa county technology slash to let me collaborative that group includes about thirteen it goes up goes down a little bit with with the day but that group has leveraged a state of michigan even grant to look at the feasibility of the partner groups libraries communities schools collaborating on telephone township which will award their bid tomorrow we will integrate those those systems together utilizing the fiber optic infrastructure that not only the home board of public works but area intermediate school district and some of the schools up in the gr haven area have put in the ground over the last several years and those systems will be redundant to each other because a report of that collaborative we've been able to realize a cost savings by beating out a much larger number of hands licenses etc as part of that group that pricing came back from cisco at about twenty five percent better than what we would have been able to get our own through the mine program when we look at that just with the the city in the thousand dollars through that process in addition to our yearly maintenance costs for the two systems that we're paying now is at about fifteen thousand dollars a year it's fifteen thousand one hundred that number by participating with a b b w and through the consortium will drop to about one thousand dollars so we've seen some very significant savings participating as part of this group and we're very excited that once we go through and everybody is on the rubber sheeting the road now so to speak and where we're getting the systems in place once we do that will be able to collect louis bade the services portion out so the cost per phone call the cost for long distance what the long distance areas are we can be strategic with where the p land so that we can actually leverage that piece to save even more money so we're we're saving a lot of money but the real reason we're here is we need to we need to upgrade our phones and this is something we've been talking about since the fiscal year twelve budget i believe and now we're in a position where we can we can take care of this and give staff are much more modern phone system to work with how it's great that you took it to such a level and put such work into it instead of just saying business as usual order another phone system it be easier for years you've been working with all these different groups and yeah there are a lot of levels to that in the it's a much harder but i'm much better solution and it's taking a problem and using the problem to catapult us to an even better place so technology changes phones change systems change and it's great to have somebody who can handle all of that change thanks matt other discussion and craigslist have been our only source for grabbing parts so if we have a catastrophic failure the phone system goes down we won't be able to bring it back up at least not easily and not quickly meaning that the operation comes to a pretty big screeching halt that isn't the kind of way we do business so for that and for all the other reasons that with the cost savings through the collaborative this is a very very fine resolution please call the city manager's office is pleased to report the file we guess for the how unused connections program we received various donations an anonymous donor for forty thousand dollars rudolph winning in the amount of two thousand the n c miller for a hundred pot syria and mary johnson one hundred comcast financial agency corp seven hundred fifty induction rink two thousand the alliance for cultural and ethnic harmony two hundred dollars cunningham dolman one thousand and money and anderson five hundred karen and ring cotton one hundred charles and sue drink five hundred joan musgrave three hundred judith massenburg trust one fifty thomas and suzanne ten holden one hundred glen and janet dirks c one thousand robin williams voice one hundred cheryl edwards one hundred shank wyler brown one thousand linda linda l pyrrhic fifty laura grimes one hundred carter in laura bear one fifty judith lynne two fifty robert dinoire chevrolet inc two thousand and manpower for one thousand public safety services for the fire division received donations from the grass cup park township grass cup park township holland township port sheldon from a central park loft p l c in the amount of five hundred and hayworth inc in the amount of five hundred multicultural festival for two thousand and fifteen received various gifts and donations from philip the below and kathleen in the amount of one hundred in global concept enterprises as in the amount of five hundred in kind donations were also received from but works in the in for gift cards and how an aquatic center splash p i would move that we accept these donations are willing with huge gratitude low buy books drugs support supported by to do is there discussion please various various things you have lived here for a number of years and i know i think a little bit that the character of the of the city would never ceases to amaze me the generosity of this community when it comes to doing something that's of value to the human spirit in the human condition it's just frankly is overwhelming so this is all for good stuff great things are going to happen and when we say thank you they're few words but there's other discussion certainly the the amounts of the donations are impressive as well as the sheer number of them so quite quite a week all in favor of accepting these the new another major contributor and that is our partners and our businesses that are looking at sponsoring the youth teams so with the assistance of the partners which is for sure that are going to be in youth jobs this summer that may grow one hundred twenty nine other contributions that we know are pending that is a forty percent increase over last year which was eighty which was a huge increase over the year before which was twelve years jobs the amount of donations comprised seventy five percent of the first year sixty seven percent of the second year and it looks to be about fifty percent for slightly less this year and that is as it should be the project the program is not only growing in terms of the number of at risk youth they're able to have these sponsorships and grow their connections in the community  and but the donations total is as declining we think that's self sustaining and it's thanks to the businesses who get the whole point and receive a return on investment and i'd like to take a second malou magna mirrors holland water treatment public works and the city of holland are the primary employers and there are others that we believe are going to be coming forward before we're to completely completed with this summer so the program begins middle june and sort of the middle of august and all of the donors as well as the businesses and council will be invited to what has become my favorite opportunity to thank i want another and that is the cookout and we look forward to supporting it of everyone who participates on that day second public works did not have a chance to say this tonight but i think you should know that they won the green commute week challenge that they were honored last saturday at collin park and the council members were able to be there and they won  the category and that is not the first time but they did were overtaken by someone last year and they got regain their title last the related to everything that we've talked about the holland  community energy plan sixth i want to thank the volunteers who have come forward we last week read twenty two total we now are at fifty two our goal is to be one hundred and above and in that way we can touch thousand opportunity to win a smart thermostat called the nest and one out of ten homeowners will be able to to win as well i'm pleased to say that map and i can has already demonstrated his ways to save money on the phone system he did so and they smart thermostats as well he has received an opportunity that are found as an opportunity to twenty percent less so with your budget of thirty seven thousand five hundred we're actually able to invest in one hundred eighty smart thermostats and the point is to save energy and to achieve the goals of winning the prize of five million the best way to do that quickly and also in a way that i think we think promotes the whole message is to use technology and that the is that so that will be taking place i do encourage anyone watching who wants to participate volunteers will have a one out of two chance of winning and asked to contact our office that's three five  all right there it is in the screen very good thank you ryan thank you questions for the city manager right seeing none communications from yours truly this evening in addition to the usual announcement that please check out city of holland dot com for information related to city of holland matters including forms that you may need to fill out for tax information or who to contact with certain kinds of questions or status of construction projects or contact information for senior staff or members of council city of holland dot com is the spot to check all that sort of information out memorial day this monday an important day in life of the country an important day in the life of our community and the annual parade again this year begins at nine thirty it is one of the few parades that heads the quote unquote wrong way down eighth street though this year it's streets two way so you had the right way down a street now you know in all seriousness it's a great parade this this community ever since i've been associated with this this council and i'm sure long before that but i'm always amazed at the amount of people who come out to the  to support our veterans of course memorial day is not veterans day morial day is for those who paid the ultimate price but we honor those by honoring those who served and this this community has come out in a big way every year rain or shine  pay tribute and i am certain that this year will be no different so nine thirty on monday the usual route additionally on a week from this coming saturday may thirty is the community t big here's your chance to scrounged here's a chance to be dutch to scrounge up some tulip bulbs check out the city of city website city of holland dot com for information about the tulip big but it's part of our holland in bloom competition and frankly part of our way to reuse reduce and recycle some of these precious bulbs that we plant so many open every year so that's what i've got today we have a few appointments to think about and commission craig rich of the compensation commission man sarah that machu sic my apologies for that to the probate court position of the teen court teen court for another term and with that i place those before you for your consideration and hope for approval so moved by the mayor pro tem and supported by two or three is there any discussion but anyway so that takes place at centennial park our window on the waterfront a week from saturday which starts at nine o'clock come with a bucket a five gallon bucket and your own pitchfork if you like it is like black friday in holland because you get free two lips that just ten dollars for a whole bucket full so it's exciting a lot of people go around taking pictures of what was blooming where so they know which tulips to dig up and if you didn't do that there will be maps that show you what kind of tulips where at what location for digging them up so it's a really fun family activity a lot of grampa grandmas and little kids and full families and individuals so it's a lot of fun hope you can come also the other how and bloom date dates for this summer are july twenty seventh and twenty eight when the judges are coming to look over our city and determine whether we will be winners again this year so july twenty seventh twenty eight if you see people with clipboards and stop looking at things just be really friendly and america in bloom is coming the national conference will be here the september the twenty fourth through the twenty sixth so that will be a really exciting thing to have a national conference for american bloom come to the it's the little city of holland and we are really gratified that they are coming here so lot of exciting things coming for holland in bloom and if you are interested in helping with support supporting any of that just go to holland in bloom dot com there's more information right anyone else motions resolution oh i actually did think i missed one here i got a request from shonda brewer who is on the committee for relay for life and they're having an event annual event a home christian high school engine thirteen we they would like permission under section thirty nine dash three fifty three sub l to be permitted to tie purple ribbons on the trees along fortieth of thirty second streets between washington and ottawa avenue they'll be put up friday afternoon after three p m and then they'll be taken down by sunday the fourteenth mr brewer has spoken with cindy osman in our third floor community neighborhood services area and cindy has given me her indication that  this is something that would be permitted under thirty nine dash three fifty three and that the important piece is that not only have they placed but that the removed so i was asked to add this to our discussion tonight and if you're comfortable with it then approval under the motion provision would be appreciated since this is the i believe one of the final meetings before this event takes place mr city attorney and i came to you as well anything you'd like to add to to those items this this item was brought to the holland public safety police division and  today when i came in so it's first i've really heard or seen of it too but to check around the city staff and so far there appears to be no objection to the item before us and it is in line with our ordinances as well you're looking for a