two hundred feet away from the building you about can see three inches above the air conditioner unit on the top of the building now we've figured out to only have a foot higher conditioning unit since it is a really seeing much of anything it's three hundred feet away so that was the first question you asked to be answered that as you know that we are putting a landscape buffer in there so when we turn in it shields the whites from shining into the next door neighbor's yard the third aspect that you  i had a question on is the landscaping along the rear yard we've looked at this area none of the houses have landscaping in the rear yard which allows the ability of the neighbors who want this wall street a to actually have a view of the park we believe adding landscaping will actually detract from our yard from the park area by having other buffers there and not only our yard but your body yards working through our yard to see the park so we actually would suggest against having additional landscaping which is not prevalent on any of the yards so in terms of what you're going to do you're go two houses that have gardens there but it's not landscape correct that's what i'm saying there are really there are no i mean there are some trees in the back but it's not a landscape very open to the part that seems to be what landscaping obscures the park i guess we would i would personally like to see people frame the view of their park by by planting at the corners of the backyard even if nobody has started doing that now i think the reason length of the park and have some kind of an amenity i think that while over here what the fences here at the park we won't be obsessed that dance is going to be there whether we put something there are not from the park you're going to see the actually the proposed wasn't putting a tree the problem is there there are existing trees fair bit of it going to take down so we're not well first of all one of the trees is in the park so we can't touch that anyway that would be we are opposed to i can read off what it is you can barely see it on the screen up there but when your plans which is the last play in your act it does list off four different things that we are it's a fairly contained free limited hides typically gets to twenty twenty to twenty five feet but it's a very narrow tree and i don't see how that fits with the the the bigger tree that you have drawn here i mean obviously if if that would not be a good idea i would say we can certainly take that out replace it with something else that would that would be more  position so i think i think we could we could approve the plan subject to a revised landscape plan and and i would i would since you've already picked river verge i would put it in the river birch and some shrubs around it in the other corner and i don't think that will diminish the view of the park at all ok so basically we're the river birch over and no no no thought of invasive they normally maples would get to be fifty or sixty feet tall ok so they did that so i would take that one out and and and the other i apologize i what we're after in terms of trying to upgrade the landscape when people need us but the special permit of you can only have fifty we have to have a least forty percent of we don't have to look for been space and open spaces everything but the building and the driveway it does not mention what kind of driveway so that's still a motion to approve the special permits subject to the standard conditions as well as the special conditions for landscaping that we just spoke about and that spencer will detail the rulin being the same same material but just a different when you go up the incline at the top of his property there is another fence and i think there was a miscommunication as far as who owned that copy so i gave you some photos straight on and then on an angle of the neighbor's property can i just say you have you there so that's slope if you look i gave you a picture of left and right of our property that slope consists consists of all the way down all the last on c str to hold back the bag and then we'll put a fence on our property which will never that's right you know so it'll be consistent and matching right up and you've got the space outside your fence to put the two foot wall you're going to put the fence on the ok oh that's right that's ok got it right ok and you will show us that on your revised plan you know i don't know let's there's an issue that came up spencer did this some concern about about the about the driveway so would you would that's right so there was a concern raised about whether or not partying in front of the house is allowed the zoning does not allow parking in front of the structure so you can park to the side but you can't park immediately in front of the the improvement of the structure however there is the code does allow in section sixty six under special permit standards for the planning board to review you would like to speak with you come to the microphone and introduce yourself please  people i say we're a little short handed tonight because jeffrey isn't here so spencer is going back and forth between the computer and helping us set the table here ok that's fine that's fine  is there's some concern on the neighbor's side and is that the driveways that we have to driveways that go partially like if this is the front line of the house that one of the driveways would you know cut into the front line of the house now we had we had talked last time about the possible remedies for that and the remedies that we had talked about on the right hand side of the house as you look at the house there's a tree there and you could speak with the tree warden to have that tree removed and then you could do a straight line on the driveway and not be infringing on the front of the house on the left hand side it's more complicated because there's the utility pole on the left hand side of the ups and that utility pole is approximately two feet from your neighbor's house and that would be difficult to move the thought was i think the thought that we had discussed today the planners and i had talked about that is that it would be very useful from our point of view if the tree that if the tree was removed in the driveway was straight ok so that the driveway didn't come across the front of the house are polluter you indications are that probably that would not be difficult to do and that we could condition that ok we could condition that now on the left hand side fence or what were the thoughts on that on the driveway on the left hand side so since the the planning board does have the authority under section sixty six to make a decision on the driveway and given that the light pole itself is most likely not straight driveway plate or prove the the angle drive on the left hand side in order to avoid the pole so mike my concern is that on the left hand side and you'll be able to answer this question is there this is two car stacked parking correct yes where would the second car sit with the second sit on part of the front with the second car i think you have enough room so that the second you can stack the cars from the front of the house right that's right for on the side but no but if if the driveway is here the front of the house is here that is how much room is there from the front of the house to the end of the driveway into the backyard that's my question that's like twenty foot  regulations do not allow to have a driveway that's and that's in front of the house and you mentioned that the side lines coming up and the way this looks now if you were correct the right side but taken the tree and the drive thru weight would be completely on the side of the house that would be fine if i were ever on the left side whoever eventually owns the house would be able to pile on the driveway which would be true in front of the line of the house so it's it's it's my sense that if if that if the right side just corrected so that the driveway  extends parallel to the side of the house and it's not the true one of us we still have a problem on the left side because whoever owns the house can certainly park their car on that driveway so that part of their car actually we check that today's spencer and it doesn't go to the point of appeal for the decision is rested in the playing board for this well i just heard this young man say that the driveway happened to be on the side of the building his second right there is only code does say that there's no parking in the front however that also allows the planning board to approve it under the special permit section sixty six so they do have the authority to approve the driveway as it's configured ok now what i'd like to ask is that  maintain the natural beauty and extensions of the buildings that are built here and i can see very well with people of going to be parking there so i don't want to be labor that point but i just glenn is under agreement that the planning board has the authority to rule on this actually at all i should say i mean if you can if it wouldn't make you more comfortable no matter what we do on this right now feet so how much are you encroaching into the front yard with each driveway right now and of the  to get out is if you it looks like you have a couple feet to play with in the width of each driveway if you took the tree out and you skin it up your driveways could you slide your whole structure we we can condition them and then the structure itself you tighten it up so you get a straight shot on on the driveway and you know not impeding on the front yard that was just it sounds like if he's going to be able to do that would work out fine ok i think that is the salient issue of your yeah i think in and i think i think the applicant is willing to to work on that to come back to us and show us the building moved in with the driveways and and i think i think if you can do that i believe i believe we've eliminated the primary issues sir i believe that let me just address a couple of the issues here i don't know if you have a copy of this and i'm sure the developer would provide you with us this is a microphone microphone property are and what the boundaries of their property are and when you build a retaining wall that you will not be on their property is that correct yes  document that sets out what the lines are for your property where your property begins how your property carries back with your property and is that correct that's correct and is that what this is yes that's the certified plot plan with a professional engineer stamp on it so why i recommend to the neighbor to do the same to get his land  with a plot plan and then he'll he'll have no argument and not trust something that maybe he doesn't understand i think we're being overly generous as a neighbor to construct a retaining wall at the cost of ten thousand dollars just to retain his property that it's at more than a two to one slope right now and i'm trying to correct that problem but we'll give you a copy of this if you like this is the this is the legal document that stamped registered that measures we're his land begins in his land ends so this is fine and where he's putting his wall is on his land and not your land and as a matter of fact by putting the retaining wall in place it'll actually benefit your property you'll stop your thing from going down applicant made is a useful one which is that it would probably be useful for you to hire a lynch surveyor and have your land surveyed and then if you believe that's an issue then you can address that issue at this time but in terms of what the applicant has brought forward it's a registered plan and we accept that  look can i just show them some when she come up here let me just maybe this will help this so so this is the project site yeah and i believe this is your property right here and then this is the neighbor here and that's what this picture is this yeah that's right there you go and you see this this retaining wall there so what so that's right and right in there so what this person is proposing here is this fence here is going to be closer to that and then they're going to put their retaining wall on their property line and see how to land surveyor for this plan someone out there and measured it and so when they build it they all have flags out very much i appreciate your efforts to reach out to the neighbors i think that the retaining wall is a good thing and i think if we can straighten the driveway's i think that's very beneficial to both the neighbors as well would would you read the notice for for the public hearing well do notice this year by given that the planning board will hold a public hearing on thursday nov sixteenth twenty seventeen at seven pm on the board of elections meeting room point four five point four of the journey by law to alter non conforming structure of non conforming lot area lot frontage inside that back in order to construct a second floor addition greater than thirty percent of the existing gross floor area at thirty three knock street in a single residency zoning that we will do the neighborhood things after the attitude makes a presentation please please come forward sir you've been with us before it's nice to see you again thank you my name is norman care a lot of the architect to there there was something that before you walk us through the floor plans and such and how much the dimensions and all that was something that was just a little confusing to me and it's probably just me and you can explain it of seconds which is that you've actually got two plots here right you have is it two separate tax parcel you have two separate tax parcels thirty three and thirty five correct yeah what i'm not seeing here is i'm not seeing in this the the existing lot something the combined lot but i'm not seeing this thing what have they been  s they've emerged into one lot yet legally it's difficult for us to move forward without the law being combined i mean that would be something that would be conditional for us because that affects all of the other measurements and all of the dimensions and all  the dimensions of how big the existing building is and how large it will be which will not only be informative of the board but also the people in the audience and the people at home as well page didn't come through on mine so yeah oh here it is here it is it's not the last page i'm right now so let's let's walk through this let's take a look at what we have in place now that we have a single family house you know one floor so let's see what is what are the existing of place and this is overgrown with weeds there's what's your sense of this what we have what we've typically done is we've asked the proponent to present about this now you're sloping down like this what's the yard like in back i mean i looked in back but i you know just from the street so you're coming down the hill and you're in back there so what's be down somewhere in the middle but it's a flat section that at the back of the property where the package has been indicated and the back yard seems to get more with me on this and especially with we have some slope in we have some retaining walls i think we need a little bit more than this and we want to have got a contour one yes yes and the the the will drop the plan but you need to have a conduit plan for them to see what what the property is and this is an unusual site we typically don't see sites with this much love and this much  gradients between this side and the other side of the property so we need something more but but there are several good nurseries in the area and they will actually prepare the plan for you without charge on the understanding that is it worth having him see spencer for jeffrey and look at some past those that were submitted just to give a starting point actually actually as i recall we have a another problem maybe it's a stone wall but it doesn't say where the song all starts and where it stops it has a stockade fence we need to see where the fence is where the stone wall is that turns a corner across the back same thing on the on the left hand side you know this is the surveyor which is different than what we're where we're asking to see it from the family inskeep ok land stock it passes right along the property so it covers the package of pictures that would help probably we should get the pictures off of the back yard i think the front yard this each side wall the picture of the house in the context of the neighborhood some of the surrounding houses we will go up and visit the site but it would be helpful as we're talking to have some of those images so that that helps us in terms of what the existing conditions are which we always ask about and both from not only for the improvement but also for the site in the landscaping and then we can look at that and we can compare that with what you're going to be proposing to us that will be helpful to us that will also be helpful to the neighbors as well when they take a look ok i don't have one other question going back to the three dimensional photo montage of the typical slow porch roof would return back it wouldn't be a simple eight or twelve inch wood it would it would have a return on the back and it would be some some molding that would outline the triangular space i think i think that i think the pork porch needs a little bit of looking at for both the twenty one point eight feet and i looked in vain for about a half an hour to try to figure out how your plan was going to do that and i discovered that no it's probably a typo because i don't think you're actually pushing the house forward for three feet because of the front porch crowded house and i really like the jerk you're trying to make a bigger but what i see us doing here is going to four full blast and three bedrooms and there's a full bath in the basement with with independent entrances and and i think to be consistent with everything else you've done i think this door that is shown on sheet a nine with the curved top that that's a different that's two generations later in terms of style and it would be nice to see have you see a a a dock a panel door with rectangular panels rather than a curve the curve is seems out of place but that's that's a kind of that's  thirty seven that's when this developer sort of the one next door he was built just a few years later is really part of the same thing that was furnished by a big department store for us and one of the biggest in boston was already floyd's department store and this was this this whole conceptual suburban idea about bringing this kind of things that suburbs and if you go across the way into arlington you'll find other examples of these caves that have been expanded just like yours so yours wou choose two story plus several which as an actor and this is exactly what the same thing is to story where they're very shallow at it so how do you think then this is high compared to  and definitions a two story house as defined by those zoning bylaws this is what the two storey house is now whether we count stories of the house lives in a nice colonial house which has a basement which has a first water which has a second floor he doesn't want this stable to have a second for he lost him to live in an attic now i don't think that is a fad that presentation of this whole situation and i just would like to consider also the distance between the two homes that is a significant back yard between the inhabitant ok thank you thank you if you wish to speak please introduce yourself the only thing i want to mention which picture and those other houses are actually the direct neighbors are not just in the neighborhood and that's what surrounding there has been it's tense i think ten steps up to their first floor from the to the back of it and i just want to reinforce what marc grossman was saying and you've noted it as well i'm talking about a bathroom on the lower floor for example and separate entrances for the neighbors this house is already a two story helps that the back essentially present the neighbors with a four story structure and a residential area i am sympathetic to the needs of a growing family i think that i gather anyway that the special  thirty percent change because it also takes into account the prospect that family needs to change and there is something that could be a reasonable expansion of a piece of property but this to my mind is not your ordinary just a little bit more than thirty percent change this is a massive structure immediately behind all set of neighbors that i think have a right and however to rely upon the prevalence of the zoning regulations and thinking about the value of their property on their behind some of the really tall buildings in the picture and just wanted to encourage the board when you do visit the properties take into account the sight lines on the other side because the slope is quite significant down coming down from knocks on to rutledge here and i can there are a number of issues that have to be addressed and we have to do some additional research and there's still of the meeting with the landscape myself so i suggest we move and you should have everything done by the ninet by the nineteenth of december to be ready to come back to be ready to come back to us at that point and we'll be in communication with you along the way or some other things to here move to continue the public hearing this is the exercise in terms of how it fits in terms of the neighborhood from a statistical point of view typically we would do that this evening but i think we have sufficient changes that we might wan ok so thank you thank you  guys so the next item is potential cases waiting for projects and committee reports spencer you want to talk about potential cases that are coming up i met with two different property owners this week one is in addition to story addition on a single family home they are going to be working on getting their application together we've not set before that who are they making major changes so it's my understanding that they realize that a complete tear down and new construction was cheaper than retrofitting that's a major change it's interesting yeah i would i would i would i would think would be nice for us not to have too many things going forward on the night right before the holiday yet ready for the holiday yes is there anything else those are the only things that i'm aware of them and then we have the joint meeting with the zoning board of appeals for the project onto pelham road right the commercial project which is great besides c v s which is a seven thousand square foot building commercial building there and then there is the expansion by five thousand square feet i believe the belmont there nursing home right which will be that will be a joint meeting with d b a so that's plenty to do and let's see the projects that the planing board this is all you know projects that we will have and is moving forward and  will we will be getting in the next couple of meetings begin to open up the way release where self less and street discussions what seems appropriate sort of a review of what  what we've covered on that there's been a good number of planning works then we'll sort of review those and will we'll look to move forward on that the general  residence law is sunsetting for june for the june town meeting jeffrey had a timetable on that i think when he's here we will go over that timetable and walk through in terms of that and that gives us a schedule for what we need to cover and so we can walk back from that pearson is having are starting to  think that's a little tight at this point we've had a lot of other things going on that at that point and i guess at this point i would be remiss to not note two things one is that on town meeting on monday night town meeting defeated the proposition to move the playing board from a point board to an elected board and i think it was sixty forty  and the other thing is is that just in sort of general terms is that we have we are short to form members of the playing board i believe that the selectmen will at their meeting at the beginning of december appoint two members and they're interviewing people at this time i've also looked at the resumes that have been submitted by people that are interested and  it's a number of very qualified people are interested in becoming members of the playing board and i think it speaks well of the community that there are that many highly qualified people that are interested and i think it speaks of the importance of the playing board so i have been speaking with a number of those people and i've been impressed with everybody i've spoken to so our task will be and the board's slike and will make the decisions on  what will be the best complement complementary skills of people to come to the playing board to help us move forward and so i'm very positive of that in terms of committee pick up again there is a review of the minutes that needs to be done however the minutes were not distributed with with the package that we got and we didn't have sufficient time to go over those we'll take care of those at the next meeting so if you could distribute those not only with the next packet but e mail those to us so we can review those in time the other the other comment that i think we spoke earlier today spencer is that would be very useful to have the s will come in before those right so we generally get the physical copies we don't receive the p d f from the applicant so it's really just whenever we get them scanned oh i don't know i thought it was a requirement that they provide us those are if those if we know that they're going to be on the agenda and those are available earlier than the day that we get them we could at least glance at them on line right and then also it's the public should should have access outlets the public should have access to those i mean one of the things that you know becomes increasingly evident is transparency and that's part of transparency it's frustrating as a resident not to be able to have i mean i was just thinking about this sister applicant in that i believe he was holding a plant he was holding up plans and that would be useful if we had a p d f then they we could take out whatever pieces we want for our presentation and write one of the reasons that that we have the the a v of god i'm making myself old when i say that the a v presentation here is so that the public can follow along with us more easily