are so this is the hearing for the two thousand and fourteen time plan revision we have a regular update coming up in two thousand and sixteen that we're still going to do this is just a temporary interim update the things that are updated in this version of our section relating to floodplain resulting in c and section related designated village centers the purpose for doing this update was to meet that criteria of that fifty nine which came into effect on july first and that says that we can't think the idea that it's to help people who want to invest in the village centers and want to take advantage of the tax rebates that are available for people doing a lot of occasions to get sort edifices in the village center districts can take advantage of it better by knowing where the listener doesn't sell fourteen fifteen and sixteen are for the three designated village centers showing those boundaries because eleven so this is the new section i've written on the flood plain resiliency which really references a lot of other reports and data sources for understanding our plan resources better and it's used in they would contain design code pertains to the riverside village center and as you saw we have three different village centers this will place the current zoning for the riverside village center and the village center would mean the same for the other two centers so as you can see they were working on last year plans and drawings even though this is one of the driest produced from from that from that series of events shows or fifteen out here to invest in that area this is always kind of been questioned you know what we did i know it's been central to a lot of the conversations a lot of the master planning ideas and so the goals of this stakeholder by hand so we did a five day planning sure to make sure that we got a lot of the same faces out again today to read these conversations and do so without creating planning for tea that was a big goal of the project because you know there's been so many years of having the same conversation s over and over we really wanted something that at the end of it all had a master plan and had ideas but then provided a mechanism for actually implementing that vision and that's the four base character base code is its implementation agonising for all those great ideas that we've had and so just briefly this was a plan of clues that was held in two thousand and thirteen these cars went up everybody in the community we had a really good turnout few with one view of the master plan that they came up with for that area now mike just a reminder it's in the lawsuit of master plan so which shows you is not how it's actually going to be developed but it shows you one option for how it could be developed under the that where we're looking at everything tonight one of the new code only effects the project areas and only effects riverside it doesn't affect other areas in the town of jericho it only effects new construction which is to say that any improvements that are less than twenty five percent anybody that's really going to be the decision of a developer who provides a range of options and if a developer chooses to build the same good thing five times that's his choice you know as opposed to a developer being creative enough to come up with a few different options for w specifically in fact there's even check measures in the form they still have that require different designs but if you have more than twenty five thousand requires you to provide three or four different designs for that size development so that's  the code that promotes density which i think is a good thing to keep in mind it's contact village center or some icon title of centers so a lot of the community feedback we got during the planning commission hearings are people you know not really sure about such such short setbacks  where the homes close together or why is the sidewalk so close to the front windows because you have to think in terms of the village center and creating compact dense development which is little different for people who are used to having you know twenty acres in the ag district you know that's a different that make things pedestrian scales that you're not walking down monster blocks you've actually got a little street corner in a reasonable distance but every twenty five hundred feet so this is the organization of article thirteen the commercial uses now it's getting away from the residential and here's the darker so it's the majority of sawmill site this area is coated city for because that's a potential future road that comes out next to jacobs market control in a way that her sewing does not overt how private space relates to public space so private frontage comes out here in your front yard then you've got public frontage the sidewalk the street the streetscape so it really pays attention to the relationship between these two things one way it does it is through lot layers instead of just a typical suburb you actually have different layers you go first layer second layer third layer going back from the stre and form base code specifies where different things belong what layers they belong in some places the parking is going to belong in the third layer of the first layer you know you have to be parking in the front yard in certain places some places your accessory structure might have to be the because some people are confused by this they say oh you know when we went to these presentations by the form based code consultant he was stressing to us that the form based code is much more about the form of the character and not so much about the use like  of uses in the form based code it should ideally be more permissive and have more permanent uses and less conditional uses can ever conditionally use it where the d b makes a judgement on if your development fits into the character of the community or not i think we'll comes into a situation where there's a lot more predictability about what he's expected to accomplish in his development so you know i think that i think that we've seen a lot of cases where it's hard for developers to know what to give the community there's a lot of appeals that happen especially with commercial development the for for the consult we figured out what a five minute walk looks like this is your pedestrian shed at the end of the street and said it's broken into blocks and here's your block length about twenty five hundred feet so that the four base code works to create a pedestrian scale happens to be the neighborhood and lastly there's architectural standards and guidelines and the architectural standards are there to function in addition to the design standards that we already saw where things belong in a lot now the architectural standards are now as well to make sure that the new construction is built to a certain threshold a certain standard of even over time people like this concept is only there's no reason why you couldn't slowly be applied to the fact we would expect that we would expect to get a go yeah i mean but this is you know because  to implement this requires a developer and financing detail plan and it's absolutely required and that at that point are really serious details sharp pencil discussion with the and i went to a lot of the show rats and i went to a lot of the same commission meetings while they reviewed the document and i prepared a statement with comments and i have it written so be quick and but then i haven't written back ok and most of my comments i already gave to the planning commission but they suggested that i also deliver the comments to you since you guys  code could allow for larger lives there's like a picture of a central lot and i understand this is conceptual so it's not saying there is going to be a parking lot here but there might allow for a pretty good sized parking lot and in this example the parking lot happens to be in the middle so it's reasonable that a lot of people will start and end their visit in a parking area and circulation might require people to cross through parking lots and you talk about pedestrian friendly and but the reality is that a lot of people may well come and go in cars and then get out of their car and walk around and depending on how the development happens they might want to go walking through the parking lot constantly to go from one building to another rather than all the way around the outside which in and of itself is kind of a concern but that's my real concern is that pedestrians need safe passage through parking lots and people don't want to feel lost in a sea of pavement and cars and large paved areas detract from a village feel and create a suburban feel the code i feel should specify a maximum size for parking lots and parking lots that fit more than a certain number of cars i don't know what that number is but i would imagine the consultant would should be required to provide a central or bisecting walkway with some green borders so that pedestrians can cross through a parking lot and they can have safety and they don't have to feel lost in a sea of pavement and cars my second comment is about homo d n a the which mentioned so during the sessions that i went to the public had a lot of developers to vary the architecture when they build more than twenty five buildings but the code actually says that three variations are needed in that case you could have eight buildings that are exactly the same and then sixteen buildings that only have one variation between them and twenty four that only have three and i think that when the community expresses concern about homogeny that that might not deliver enough protection and developers should be required to provide some variation for every building with an advantage and i think the consultant could recommend easy changes like paint color or railing styles or setbacks ask the consultant to recommend simple inexpensive ways to assure variety within multiple buildings have been developed on my third comments about signs internally lighted signs should be prohibited internally lighted signs are a defining characteristic of suburban strip development they are not in harmony with the rules for my village next is about architectural standards i understand the standards are essential to form of aced code success in the planning commission and the consultants spent a couple several weeks discussing ways that we could relax the standards without compromising the overall code i feel the select board should err on the side of more restriction not less initially until we get the thing out there and i would ask the select were to review the standards with the consultant to determine the final changes that might be made to the code there is a comment in the report from the planning commission about conditional use and i agree that conditional use reviews should continue to be required within the just for the added level of review will help us avoid unintended consequences and tremendous backlash if we implement this code and have things happen that we didn't intend to do because we forfeited conditional review too quickly really understand how the code is implemented and then in terms of density i agree with the code's goal to encourage development of an attractive compact village center but the key here is in harmony with our rural vermont countryside i'm concerned that we've swung the density pendulum a little too hard and a little too fast and i would ask the select board to discuss with the consultant the idea of reducing the density by a percentage something as small as five or ten percent especially in the mixed use district and again i'm worried that there will be a backlash against the new code and against the town planning commission and the board if the code results in development that doesn't strike the right balance for us between buildings roads and breathing space between the fuel cells are included in the list of uses fuel cells are not and drive through similarly are not well suited to pedestrian spaces and drive through the track traffic with enough movement of vehicles and they attract generic fast food establishment switch don't add to a local sense of place and drive through should also be removed as a format so i have this in writing that i would like just based on previous experience if there's anybody else that the reason with these points i invite them to sign a letter or hand buildings and facade shall be oriented where possible to take advantage of passive insulation or to enhance roof mounted solar energy collection the site does not make this possible should be built parallel to rectilinear of principle frontage lines maybe i should have agreed to read cell facilities are required to include electric vehicle charging stations drive through shall be limited to pharmacies and banks and print to seize the state e t f would like to see both drive through and fuel sales subject to conditional  thirteen point five point four two solar shingles and panels or encourage with roof mounted solar prefer built to stand alone panels thirteen point five point for new buildings and reflector fits of older buildings where possible shell conduct runoff to rain barrels on the ground drainage system cisterns or rain gardens using gutters downspouts arrange chains in addition if you like to see the founding sent is added to the code all new electrical distribution lines of communication cable shall be underground all commercial facilities  uses must provide pedestrian access in bicycle storage or parking options ideally bike wreck shall be sheltered from the elements we have seriously submitted the founding preview we have previously submitted the following definitions for the unified regulations i would like to suggest that they be added to the form base code as well vision them as it conditional uses electric vehicle charging stations the public or private parking spaces including all signs information payment services surface markings and protecting equipment in which  where appropriate necessary to provide electric electricity for individual investors or agricultural governmental use community solar array a panel or collection of panels which provide power to a group of residents who are both the primary financier's owners and the  electricity generating project so if a collection of panels and associated infrastructure that make up an energy generation facility built for the purpose of generating and delivering electricity for sale or for use at a physically separate location and finally wind farm winter been projects and associated infrastructure producing more than ten kilowatts and built for the purpose of generating and delivering electricity for sale or for use at a physically separate location  i guess i'll just  i guess i'll say that the way this is right now take this building right here for example maybe to touch on the new public here is  and we were going ahead with this because we still think that there is we what i had with our plans because i've been eight years ten years trying to develop this property and i had one hur one i can't get the slack board to set down to any meetings with me about these subjects i've come in here a number of times and you know they did pass it off to say the planning commission  and you have park street on the other side and i said we would like to work with you people to come up with a plan to take into the headrest and the infrastructure of the roads i was basically told to go street is better than the entrance down here so we went but i've been going to do the entrance there and we did a subdivision of the landing call it the way home managers for purposes to pass it on to my son  business was and i mean this deceitful history thing of why we did that what i was told by the agency of transportation when i come time to put it in that that was only going to be one car because all we were going to get our property technically by law and so forth for that we'd subdivided and made the late home ventures it was entitle to its own and they got a weighed in at that point in time and that was their chance to weigh him so that we would eventually we would have had a right of way to get the restaurant and we know how to write a way to get here but they threw a big fit so forth and we talked to them sort of actually we compromised and they said all right we're going to right right and so forth draws one here routes raceway another one here another one here three entrances and we met here i said it don't work you know this i've been d to three times then countless trying to work with agencies of transportation now so what what do we do i mean the point here is conceptual but we try to work to them what they wanted to do and not do i asked brian wright some questions you know about the building and some of the things and couldn't get the right answers so at that time i basically after  lot and i do support some trying to form a scroll but right now we have this application to build us grocery store and right now for example i know an agreement about this or what to do and i bring up the problems of the agency and transportation but i'm not willing to work with that taking if i sat down with somebody that i'm working closely with and i'm saying as of the slight board th down the road with jolly when there's political leverage just to give you another example kelly has an interest in an intrinsic self they bought the property next door they tore the building down and another entrance down there i mean if you understand what i'm saying it's just unbelievable what politics and other stuff does for you and that was the gays a little bit of doubt the transportation we tried to apply the regulations and so forth to do the project didn't work for transportation a little bit of placing the building on the l got that story on you know this this very pretty picture stuff until you get engineers and you get people working on the real problems and then the pictures go away and the reality of th down or do it when it just can't be done by what i'm told all my contacts and so for the you couldn't prove that he is right or wrong he's got to give you all the people i deal i can't support they just leave me no choice i do support the former base color i think is a better way to look at it and i think they should be worked on before the together from tennessee and so forth and he took everybody view from around town which is a good thing and he wasn't bias you don't want to say one way or another and i think that was good i think it really tried hard but i think that no one and i are opinion you know he gets final opinion from certain people that say are biased one way or another that took part in meetings but it there were two hundred people that didn't show it just live in town it got an interest but they never take time to come out in the town and it's too bad because they suffer but i'm the only one here that's here because i got this land and you got it man this land that you're talking about is yours we're nice now so what i can say is that for example they didn't look at the zones i personally feel unless i have a discussion with the planning commission i raised it the planning commission didn't keep or discuss it anymore they were actually pretty much forced by the slight more to get this thing moving just take it and bring it in here i've attended t meetings i asked my opinion of it that they were given this thing and they couldn't be given to them fast enough and they need really have anything to do with it and that's the way i do but nonetheless whether i'm right or calls for a long weekend with tween and stuff where you didn't make changes but you didn't make any changes with the stuff or anything that was brought up at the hand at all david if i could help you if you have specific things about the code you off the board to look at i suggest you give them a list of specific things i haven't heard anything specific that i did i have said something specific that i haven't made it clear i'm not a good speaker or whatever you want to say i brought out th i'm right do you think the cd for an excuse should be larger got that understand that their suggestion and then the second one which is a much finer grained saying which is that you believe that think that's realistic so that's a that's a concrete question which we can certainly look into it which are those are the two i've heard are there others and then there's a question of the number of curb cuts we cooperation of myself because i own the land and i'm willing to cooperate with you and i'm willing to endorse this call but there's changes it's got to be made to this whole not just kind of rubber stamp to go through here tonight there are problems in growing and people get walking so you're going to make some of these standards and some of these things pacifically to do with say sidewalks or no snow removal and all kinds of things and it ain't gonna work and i and were six people there and three of them voted to do away with the standards i had nothing to do with a set not all three of them wanted to do away with it and three of them you have to have four because you need a majority in three or four of the standards  whatever but i think when something's that close there's something wrong that makes those three people in not finding information feel they should be looked at for i don't want to read what they were saying except that was involved that took place though it was very light though comments from the public to be heard so we will take up the first item on a regular agenda which is to adopt a drug and alcohol policy for commercial motor department and went through page by page line by line explaining it to their to ask any questions or hear any concerns they had they understood it very clearly didn't have any concerns they realized that  as their job having the commercial driver's license that this is what was required of them so i gave them a week or two to get back to me even if they didn't you know the one to think about and come back witnessed it but i have been told firsthand by certain people that have witnessed things in others or do have a very bad problem or they're not down garage and people driving under the influence of alcohol to talk to me about it i would talk an executive session of something definitely i'm going to kill anybody but i'm ninety nine percent sure of what i've heard and from what i've heard an overview of what we can do i mean it was not you know the vote was positive that there is townspeople interested in purchasing all or part of of this property but it clearly is not a mandate to go out there and do lots of stuff so there are four general pathways that we could follow and all this discussion is going to be public except when we finally get down to the details of negotiations with numbers but we really want to have full public input along the way in which direction to go but for general pathways what first one is the least expensive is where we get together in delineate what that and then the fire then the land would be protected and the fire department could go ahead and do whatever it wanted to do with the property in its best interests if that meant you know selling it and then having it develop but at least the area that the people are most concerned with would be protected the second way of going is the most expensive is where we would buy it outright using a bank and then conserve the whole property but clearly that's a lot on the taxpayers plate third to sort of maybe in between where you'd buy the property with a bank loan rather than going through the fire department because that was a lot of concern with the other negotiations and then you could conserve the gateway area and reduce the cost to the taxpayers by actually turning to the c d c and then someone would be developed the house would be sold etc and the last which is the least likely based on discussions that we've heard in prior meetings it would be to tweak the current argument the current agreement and fill in the details so basically we're going to you know take public input of what direction that you really want to see to preserve distance that's a positive vote but you know we will do something in our preference at this point unless there's strong feeling is that to do the least expensive  home we were asked to try to help conserve the land the gateway to that and the town does have a interest in conserving in protecting the gateway because an entrance to a town a town center is important and in zoning gateways are very important but beyond that you know a lot of people felt that the property should be conserved because that was the original what they felt was the original intent but agreement and we could tweak it get rid of some of the stuff that people found offensive fill in some of the details but because there was such concern about actually having the fire department hold the note and why not just use a bank kind of thing with that that is the least likely are you getting a sense from the public from the people that should be kept open we're not sure because if i mean there were those who really wanted it kept open in its entirety if you know our art the board regionally can she's the cost to the taxpayers would have been if we had the property or selves that is prime  come developer could come to terms with the fire department and plan would be something along the lines that the the fifteen acres on the west side of the road that's currently sell the house perhaps and or the barn with it a private ownership perhaps to be discussed also i believe that gravel pit at some point needs to be at one point early in the discussion between the fire plan partner and there was a sort of an m o year in which we had sketched out a potential agreement between the two and a piece of that was a commitment requested by the fire department that if after that was pencil dan somebody came forward to the fire department a private sector person and offered them what the fire department considered to be a better deal would the town entertain that and the green that was yes providing it could be shown that it was a quote better deal to both parties the town and so in that at that point the fire department revealed that quite a bit earlier a private party had in fact come to them and that party was a developer and he said yes although we were a little the process by which this it happened so much earlier we had been told about it was raised an eyebrow but nevertheless beside the point we were happy to enter into a three way discussion with those but we didn't bring this part of this developer to us we didn't seek them we didn't put out our bees or anything it was brought to us by the fire department we then engaged in a three way discussion to see whether there was a tripartite arrangement that would make everybody happy or they could be on their own and the that discussion went almost exactly on the lines you're talking about and it was even though in the end the select board decided to stop that because it fears some people on the select board fear that this might look like backroom negotiations you know that was not an r f p or anything like that of course not fire department brought it to us but the so we terminated those discussions but they were very instructive in that they demonstrated that you could do a deal where there wasn't fact a private you know developer with money in his pocket and prepared to enter into an arrangement like this  circumstances that would effectively cost the town almost nothing and it would be a straight past all the town would if it would formally be purchasing the saying it would be question was the developer wanted clear title so we was dealing with that with this was actually the developers preference and they wanted the deal they wanted the whole property be dealing with one so we purchased it they immediately repurchase the deals worked out of the concept was everything would be worked out ahead of time so the purchase those portions which were going on to the to the developer it would happen immediately and we would have paid for them immediately those portions which are being kept open all of all of that disposition of the time of the property what happened wisely or not we did what it what it definitely but it in any event it showed us that a an arrangement such as you just described is certainly feasible and indigo whether it's the west way to hearings at the at the beginning of this process where year ago and which is the fire department held them we held one at the at the community center there were  least three or four at which over a period of six or eight weeks during which collectively quite a lot of people came it was our perception at the time that the broad consensus of those meetings was that at least the people kind of meeting there were quite a few of them would be comfortable with the disposition of the property very much along the lines what you described that there were there were relatively few people who felt strongly that the property should absolutely nothing should be done to it i just think sacked by the way it was i think that's completely anecdotal and i don't it is completely i think we've been discussion but if but if the same time the fire department we actually don't even know that we might we don't know that the town my invision i was buying the property to make its way to put the past we want to talk about might that we don't know that they want to protect the gateway they could want to reduce their tax burden we don't we have no idea so your question what's our vision he's talking about his vision i don't think we have a vision because we haven't had a planning process and we don't know we also know well we've recently asked them was it because you put up an article yeah you know on the ballot november fourth dollars yeah i know we actually are probably on different pages but based on our what i heard from those meetings and the people talk to me about it was to protect the gateway can but the gateway is protected and the public has its green space coming into the center if there is public input says go ahead and you know buy it and develop it and reduce our taxes fi good citizens because they had heard a lot of people were very upset when they for the first proposed selling yet with no texan on the promise remember there was a humongous hue and cry this time last year the town was on the verge of tearing itself apart the fire department was very worried about correctly what that would that do to the relationship of fire department as we were worried so there was an attempt to stop that civil war does that so another way to accomplish that goal would be to enter into some sort of agreement to purchase the property and control the property in house is that  there so if there were any private sector developer that was that had a plan that met those close  just seems to me that the best case scenario is not to use public money right oh absolutely absolutely that's why we're trying to figure out the least expensive way to preserve what we you know perceived to be wanting to exactly the reason that i'm posing the questions that i am pushing now i've been in that chair more than once myself i'll be very open and say that i would be willing to make an offer to the fire department to do something very similar to what i just outlined if i had more clearer view relative to what the select because ition was in that process it's an uphill battle to being with no matter who does anything with the property regardless of whether it's probably the sector whether it's private sector the select or the process is the same right and and that's why i say i believe that it's much more appropriate for me done with private money than public money doesn't matter but part of our i'm just a developer of the property and they still have to go through exactly the same doesn't change up than if the private sector does it it's a site so that all of that stuff is going to be handled in the same way the difference being  the whole context of the because discussion with developer was exactly effectively a standard purchase and which it's contingent upon the permits so the whole context with the developer and the reason they wanted the tr rtite was to bring clarity and certainty and those things and the point of the town is doing was to get away without spending any public money something i'm really really tough on myself and that we stop that i say wisely or not but that was the price the premise of that tripartite was to give the developer sufficient certainty so they could go forward and to give us a mechanism where the town the taxpayers never spend any money and those were the two that was the fundamental premise the premise from the from the fire department was to suppose of the property in a sensible way as they don't want to be in the real estate business anymore so all three parties had a reason to engage in this and we got we didn't come to closure because a select board called it off but it was  those informal informal honest proposals that would give the private sector developer the opportunity to perhaps gain corporate zone given some sort of threat planning process for the property so that so a developer might get some input back into well i think maybe i can go to the fire department any time or issue but what you're asking what thought i heard you asking is that the developer would like some sort of idea of what the tolerance level of of the public is for a potential deal how can you gauge that tell me i'm suggesting that the select for  the fire department i suppose it is their property and then it was supposed to be for their benefit so you know so can we have a written ballot on the soul that the people that want to preserve it and the people that don't want to preserve it don't have to pay for  how to assess these values and so it's not a taking of the land but there is a cost to preserving the land in a non developed state and if you have a conservation easement on the property it would be owned you know whether this is the town that participates or the town in the land trust or there's a fund raising or however you want to do it but there is a cost a slight cost and there's some kind of cost but what it does then once there is a conservation easement on the property that means that area can no longer be developed it stays the way it is so that it's a way for you know if the town wanted that preserved i mean which is what my take from all the other early discussions where but you know that that was then but if that's the way the town wanted to preserve there and it was just simply that one area then the fire department is free to go sell to a developer who could do anything else they wanted to the property but that area would be state the way it is don't they are so you know they regionally is that the fire department was going to do anything to potential for tracts some of the property before they sold that's that was the original outcry what they want right exactly that cheap that's fifty or sixty acres you know but you know it depends but at least you know it's something you know the fire department says so what they're willing to you know what they're willing to entertain what because they responded to the vote and said because you know the vote was the town was interested you know and gave a positive vote they're willing to continue discussion so that's where we are right now it would be nice if we could have you know maybe we'll put something on the ballot or you know another you know one of these you know multiple choice questions for town meeting i mean this is why we're starting the process because we have to put the town meaning program together before the end of january would go to the printer so we can come up with some you know ideas from people before then then we could have an as you said another vote and then we can have a real idea of which way people are going you know can you support x dollars  knows only in the most sense it's a pass up how short an instant there's no the buyer was a developer ok that's the truth that's where the money was coming from that's who is going to wind up with it fire we were putting it was passing through our hands and we were passing instantaneously and in that process and because a developer wanted wanted some kind of surety about the town's posture with respect to the disposal of the land they were agreeing to it happening this way but we were not the buyer i mean that's why we were not paying the money and we were not winding up with the property so we were not the buyer i felt differently ok so this those folks went along that that i went along with it because we we are by consensus so i did not oppose the point of view but in our private discussions i felt citizens that says yes pursue doing something with that property i don't think we know what the majority of the citizens of jericho want to do we did i get it right sell out right and his wife's money and reduce my taxes and insult five point three million dollars and that funds their entire budget for the next twenty five years rah rah go or do we want to conserve the land do we want to give away all but we don't know what the majority of the citizens of jericho want and i think the facts and important question to ask i'm not sure of the mechanism to do that i don't know if it's a multiple choice option on a ballot time meeting a i'm not sure if it's some public planning sessions discussions similar to what you get in the riverside area what is your role playing for that  property and i think those are important things themselves and i think that's the charge that this like board was given with the question that was asked on november fourth was proceeded with a plan to do something with it but now selling the house for one hundred some odd thousand dollars and now you have the funding to do subdivisions to get your permits to do all that stuff with no taxpayer money budget doesn't have money to go subdivide properties and do those things that's not there so if that's the intent of the select board they have the ability to approach the fire department and say here's the one you go do this this is what you'd like to including you know that the fifteen acre park getting getting developed you know so i don't think necessarily everybody who voted yes on that said let's let's just buy it outright and nothing ever will happen on the and i actually do know that a lot of the folks who were in here october second you know fighting the playing the deal where you know you were forty five hundred miles away i was five thousand miles away they voted no many of them voted no they just they saw on the ballot click on the ballot question they saw they had lost faith in the town because they thought it was a guarantee that there would be development and so whatever part of that two hundred people whatever you want to call it is you know you find in the nine hundred you've got a thousand others who want to see you do something upright on you were sent sitting in their shoes on your property and you were trying to people doors open for the marketing of that property he's been in congress that and you don't know what a prospective buyer how they're going interpret that so it's in my judgment and i can't speak for the first apartment directly but i would be extremely surprised your favorite enter into that unless there was a deal to go along with that but there was somebody fifteen acres and everything else is going to stay open there is land on the other side of the road that is the mobile there are parts of the pit mostly and that's another part of the devil in the detail the area the fire department has suggested they'd like to retain as a training right perhaps to sum up in general terms it sounds like controversy in general is the big risk the big deal killer the thing that's keeping this from getting done and my perception is that the town's value  they inject into the deal if they're part of the process is helping population and sybian civil war there was substantial expression of it would be nice if the selected board stepped in and attempted to work out a deal that prevented the civil war and kept everything was sufficient had a compromise that was sufficient to make everybody reasonably happy and compromises never do any better than that and when we first stepped in there were alot of  representation of the great but that that's that's what we're talking about on the right and that's the that's the only question the question before the select borders shall we send a representative to be in the what it's going to say right  has it too well yeah i'll start start you know the capital budget is money to do painting of the town hall so i start talking with an individual and talking about sort of how it's kind of unknown getting into the about you know restrict restoring it back to the original bird and so i spoke with katherine and katherine i reached out to the community people who have been involved with the restoration of the town hall and people who concerned i think you know who might know what the condition of the clapboards were under the vinyl siding and it was just a very small group but there was quite excitement about restoring the particularly around the windows there is significant rot and and that's you have to replace around that anyway and are wary is if there's you want to see where more rock if it has moved and you're writing from the inside of the vinyl and we've spent all of this money on the interior first exactly exactly and so what's the process so i talked to folks who might know and they said well they're not sure but then i talked to like l e and and who said wow that would be terrific and she sent me some you know connections to clipboard versus vinyl when she said she'd be willing to do anything that we would require so it's become a more community thing and then of course bob pittman called me and we've had multiple conversations business was one of the last projects that he was disappointed he could not finish so if what it would do is it be a little more liaison with the in time but it would be more community so take some of the work off todd's plate john all then who did the work on the town hall back then is because he was really excited about w building is so he would be willing to talk to us about the process of what we would do to restore it and start thinking about how much it would cost how we would do it in phases to make it safe or and would take final i know the windows there is a reason you could do in your g if you wanted to because you could put a thin skin of if if depending on the shape of the clipboards that's the key point that there is an issue with  historical you know some preservation is don't let you change things out so you have to preserve the original clipboards other cases they have let you re store the original look that isn't vinyl because what you can do is you can put a thin skin of insulation and anything that hardy board which has a traditional reveal and that has actually a longer life and gives you more energy efficiency but these windows really need a lot  it would have to be done in phases and in any way i mean absolutely but understand recently with you had a man went down and started that project he was talking about a three million dollars project and it wound up being a one million obligations that was what was driving violation of codes and i violation of the of the vault requirement so we had statutory obligations we could do nothing the cheapest option was the one we took there are costs that cannot be avoided and i will not oppose those obviously but very very tough money just to restore this week to give you a sense of the mine i mean there may be grant money for that because we barely got the rebates from efficiency because these windows here had to be sealed exactly right so they weren't leaky it all comes down to the money katherine that's right you  why single out on that bond and how many years we got left oh it was about five sixty thousand dollars in principle every year and it's everybody doing those down so i think for the next year's budget general fund budget when in absence as a result of that i had made changes to the capital budget to use more details reserve because of the impact  hundred twenty thousand dollars so there's no changes in the project is just how they're being paid forward if you  number in here in the fire department we have the library we still have the park district and the chimney county tax to come in we have  year where salary increases are tied more closely to the year to year increase in the c p i you know the latest one just came out this morning at one point seven percent so i've been to hugely so the way it's looking now the if it were adopted as is there going to be somewhere for a little fluctuation or some other numbers come in but you're looking at about a twenty dollar increase per one hundred thousand assessed value which would be you know three hundred thousand dollars house would be about sixty dollars before i made the changes in the reserve funds it was significantly more and they gave you a little little chart to show you one of the lead in this town government down government in the area of any town even close to comparable to us in size we have high taxes because we don't have commercial black space but if you even you know if the budget were adopted as it is near looking at you know increase of sixty dollars per three hundred thousand dollars house that would mean that an individual town tax bill has gone up about eight percent portion which is the school tax bill in minnesota portion so if it is on an individual property owners tax bill of what that count person and what sort of line items in a way that people look at you know then look at the that december eighteenth and that's actually a really good time because that's when we should have the reschedule to have the presentation by the architect for the library but we just think this will cost a little thing and good primary reason i think that dogs are registered and then secondarily when they're wearing their tag their last you know find their way back to their owners so the co reason not to do it all with our biggest concern should be the health hazard and my opinion the biggest concern should be the health hazard so we shouldn't have barriers to people doing the right thing for the public health so i got no problem with spend it and the implied expenditure to induce people to read it register by reducing i the other hand if you still don't bloody do it then it should it should stay i mean really sting you get a finding of dollars a pound for danger in the public health rabies exist because it seems like the people who are on top of taking care of this and come in regularly maybe we don't have any reason to believe that they have any problem with that money that money that we we we could use that money to address the other issue of the unvaccinated and on licensed dogs and i want you to i don't know i think maybe your that's good that's creative if we can figure out how to do it that's fine i mean i understand that by doing this will be losing some revenue from people who are perfectly happy to continue to pay more than my mil that's true and then the question is really do we view this primarily as a revenue issue or primarily as a public health issue public health issue i know but primarily i don't want to lose the revenue because we could hear we could allocate that revenue to address the public health i a met with david marlow in the news this morning they were most accommodating there's actually very good placement for the town committees in the tables and stuff so in the library fund raising the actually see all these things for a very often sometimes they come in to vote they don't go back and four hundred right for thirty five yeah that's plenty and the gym and band room could be used for childcare the cafeteria they're going to work with the  adults they will let us bring food and drink into the auditorium may be able to you know put ballots through the same vocabulary but they would be separately called where you could be really cause and they were nearly as potential for them to earn their community credit by actually sitting you know being poll watchers if they're sixteen and things like that too i mean there's a lot of all advantages so we're moving forward so we just have to figure out when we start publicizing the fact the town meeting has moved to in any oh yeah  approved do they incorporate the information that mrs gilbert sent him to you from saxon school because they just got to us today we just have to acknowledge that we received a letter from  why presentations of form video that's fair for people to see and that makes an impression yeah it's true absolutely but we did get a letter from tiffany gilbert recognizing