fifteen we might bump that a little bit later in the agenda at seven twenty five jake in jos is going to be in front of us for a change of manager at seven thirty five roger hill our d p deputy director and chief o'leary a police chief is going to revisit the topic of the signs if we recently put up on failed place in gilmore street directing through traffic at seven forty five a bill to spare a building commissioner is going to discuss the wireless in ten a proposal on some of the utility bills in town seven thirty five we had in it and published a gender item for the foxboro housing authority appointment of tom kelly and we're going to take that off the agenda and put it on the next gender on  winter meeting and then bill you can again we'll talk about a time manager update and then mary beth her assistant time manager will give her update on the vehicle used policy that we are reviewing it as a draft tonight so i notice in our audience kevin panders from the library director discussion going lead us in the pledge of allegiance i remember the wor at seven o'clock is there anyone here for citizens important welcome if you could just introduce yourself and come to the microphone really just so everyone knows we are on camera as well so hello my name bradley i'm here with my husband mike we live it twenty three gilmore street so i just wanted to give a little input regarding our thoughts on how the new signs are working out i can interrupt you  time to stay a little bit later because this is going to be an item on i do yeah so what i was planning on doing is hearing from our public safety officials and yappy w yeah and then opening it up to the residents i think we invited the people who had we want to obviously want to talk about them but one is the forty b of fisher st that residents are appealing and the other one is a definitive subdivision that they appeal the d p from a decision that the town made so i've been getting  some questions on representation of how council who authorizes the spending how much strong time manager act we have our own policy on how to approach the council as do other boards so maybe the next agenda could times but it's just nice to refresh it through the one topic i want to bring it's a new topic and something that i think we're going to go towards in january on columbus day weekend  crisis not specifically foxborough but coming down the pike that everyone's kind of talk about so over the last year we brought in front of our board number of times we had different sessions in town so when we got together this weekend we had an idea of rather than kind of reinventing the wheel and trying to go in different directions have have a forum in town and invite import from public safety putting everybody together in a round forum open it up to public discussion and try to wrap our arms around you know what what the issue is in foxborough what our directors are seeing get their input and have a better perspective a collective perspective rather than a few advocates going in different directions in town so i'd like the board to be involved in that at some level also in his jan you know as january approaches maybe reach out to the different department heads in those sectors in a school committee and ask them for some input so we come into january with some some background information and kind of a good dialogue because it's something that the board would entertain sure m have yeah but in the big picture if you listen to people that are involved with or with family members or see it on a day to day the it's a very very serious we've got to do something yesterday on the other side  people that aren't privy to it might not know it's even going on but rather than speculate i want to hear from the schools in the police in the fire of what they're seeing in town so once we have that information we can kind of better gauge if this is something that the school needs to spend more time on or the police or the fire or you know different communities approach it differently if you go down south towards the plymouth area there's three four f ive towns working collectively you go in other areas and they don't even talk about it so i think it's just more to gauge where foxborough is with all of this nother item coming up this thursday and is this may have been coming from a mistake on my side but there's a open house on thursday at four o'clock  so i've been getting a bunch of calls a craft group is getting calls not knowing what this is all about and we brought it up at another early meeting so this thursday at four o'clock it's a public meeting and it was initiated by the selectmen with the craft group boxes and other items around there when they're in front of us i think we have a hard time gauging what exactly it is so we've invited the planning board the advisory committee the board of health the public safety officials to kind of walk the stadium so we can better understand it because it's a public meeting we invited the public in it but it's not a autograph see the locker room tour it's a working session and i was asked at the beginning of the meeting i'll explain to the people who do show up but that's a four o'clock if you're interested from the public to come a meeting at the field level under the bridge under by the blue gave so anyone that from town it's hearing this more than welcome to show up at four o'clock on thursday and i think  watered and sewer department to talk about the development around the common it with respect to sewer and master plan so i think this is that third meeting coming up so it does progress we've i wasn't able to attend the last one some of you guys did but we're starting to put together the infrastructure process around town and it is very helpful so if anyone's available that's seven o'clock and it's in this room next thanks tuesday forty quarter also i'm just going to say congratulations and i just say barrows push for that i know you are involved in that and that's one hundred sixty thousand dollars worth of study you know the one for the quarter and that's been a kind of a thorn in our side and what's interesting about that gran we started our fall flashing program we could go through tuesday night and we flush continuously since then with the exception of the weekends and monday nights and we've been really stream the successful th year we're using a hydraulic model that we had done for the water system and what it allows us to do is to to sequence really flush mains by taking them out of service as a as anything but customers that are on that main and the hydrants that we open and we can isolate that from the rest of the town while the flushing has taken place so we haven't had any black water complaints with the flushing which is amazing because if you saw what you were getting out of the playoffs you understand why the black water such an issue in foxborough we've had the opportunity to do beach street young road edwards nor st and this is we won't get the black water this time and we're going to continue this every night with advertising and we get we have notices on the town facebook we have it on the website and we have signs up in the neighborhoods that are going to be done  continue it until the weather gets freezing at night and then we have to terminate it for safety reasons but it's been a very successful flushing program compared to previous years with no calls i just want to bring the board up to importantly r j mitte the from the mcgee house is here to all on the premise of us just taking the opportunity to introduce to you guys our new library director effective well we're in a transition period right now but he will be the full time director stop by the library and take the opportunity to get to know him a little bit work side that have him but we received word back in june from jerry in formal notice that after twelve years he was planning to step down effective october thirty one and with that  we began the process of doing a pretty thorough screening process and hiring process to come forward with a candidate the trustees met appointed an eight member screening committee we tried to get various cross sections from town to make trustees myself joe and tom we had a member of the friends dave crimmins and then we asked jeff lovely in his capacity as certainly somebody who was involved in the last screening process for the library director and as a former member of the public use of the library so with that we worked with marybeth we sent out a posting we received twenty one applications from interested candidates we were met to review those we narrowed those down  to seven that we conducted phone interviews with and then following those phone interviews we met and move forward with interviewing three candidates in person and based on those three interviews we represented and for and presented  to candidacies to the trustees for full consideration and having met with many in september we then proceeded to you know him a little bit again for those of us who had already met him and  to need to speak for him as you'll see he's more than happy to chat with all of you as well and we're very much looking forward to having him come in have some fresh ideas and bring us some some new ramming ideas and opportunities were a little you know we're very fortunate we don't have a major capital project that we have to do at this point jerry really did a great job of getting us from the old building to renovated space to the new building and to give us largely a turnkey operation that we have the great ability to handoff to manny and so we're looking forward to seeing what he will do as the caretaker of the building and programming and with that i'll let many introduce himself a little bit terrific and smooth one thing just a i've been here for two days is how great this community is and during the interview i mentioned and i believe in this this was instilled in me when i was young  the library is the center of the community it's a building where all the ages in coming congregate and we have various programs and materials to check out and civic  organizations can certainly use our meeting room and kevin mentioned fresh ideas and i tend to do that here over the course of the next two weeks i'm going to be meeting with each and every department head and i look forward to working with each and every department head and the board of selectmen as well as staff and especially get to know the residents so i do encourage the residents if you see me at the library or crossing the street please stop by and say a quick you chat about the library and if there's anything you'd like to see at the library any improvements or any suggestions i'm more than happy to welcome any at any time and i'm looking forward to working here in foxboro so it's a brand new building and it's a magnificent building and i came from east bridgewater and that's what we were working on is to have a brand new facility or run of a the facility so at that time i was bringing in various programs and events to get the residents into the library here in foxboro in the early have that's a that's a tall hurdle believe me and it's and you've you've accomplished that so now what i'm going to do is to bring the residents into the library and again like i said i encourage conversation please speak to me and any suggestions that you may have good thank you man and i know i mean it's an absolutely beautiful building that you're  inheriting and i know i do know your work and he's bridgewater and i know the process that they're going through an hour and i know you are mr over there already because they're they're just starting their work so yeah and it's a great board that you're working with that they've done a tremendous effort to get the of adult services done a great job lining up some musical guests and some book talks and the whole schedule of events are available on our website and are also available on facebook the the library has a facebook page so since i don't come and speak on cable access very often because we are not televised and i'm not advocating that we me this is my opportunity to put in a quick plug to say check the calendar event to come visit us often we look forward to having you here and as an elected  elected volunteer thank you you guys do a great job for shit thanks also don't you have a book sale coming up how the french have a book sale coming up in november the date of which i don't have committed to my brain and shame on me for saying that out loud what is it jon thank you tom it's the nineteenth through the twenty first see that's why we brought him that he's rolling his eyes that you know that they can like the books now you know they've been collecting books and now they're actually i think they'll probably still take them but they're there segregating the books into the various you know topics breaking them down getting them ready for for but not on to the floor so and they will be there for that friday saturday and sunday we're very pleased to have many with us i want to thank mary beth that she was she was a representative there and did a terrific job of working with the with the committee and then i think they made it terrific choice i think we're going to mail poor people a great part of our team chance to actually get in and see those facilities and see how you know we maybe extend the library services into those facilities somehow some way we can know another way of reaching out to the community but i can agree with him war in terms of his philosophy of how the library is a center of the center of the universe r h where it becomes a social gathering place for many different reasons with a different aspects and an arts and culture in the community so i think it's really really good that he's going to be an advocate for that and and i'd be remiss if i didn't say thanks to jerry for  as well open it because i do want to hear from a building inspector on this item he's tied up in an executive session at the zoning board in a different building but he said he was going to try to get here by seven thirty five or so so ten fifteen minutes if you could wait so we'll read this into the record to open it and then we'll continue it massachusetts electrical company doing business says national grid ver three move will permit to be exercised at lot three to four washington street foxborough mass about three hundred twenty five cubic yards of material  removed from the construction site as shown of the existing conditions plan dated april ninth two thousand and fifteen with the scale of one inch equals thirty feet as engineered by w s p the fence integrating plan dated september twenty ninth two thousand and fifteen engineered by jeff goldberg and submitted by joshua lease with plans may be viewed at the office of the board of selectmen forty sell street fox going to be applying to be the manager ok so is the board in front of you you have a full application of the nuances details so this is going to the grand slam restaurant concepts yes you've been managing the chicken yours in the wood i was yes ok so this is not a new venture for you now and i was another location i just ask open up the more questions from the board no particular order regulations and that's all we ask follow the rules and regulations and although we'd like to see you we really don't want to see you here so it will just be you know and facts k is a wonderful organization that gets you joe's and their other restaurants that is a nice family business and they are and it's a pleasure to have them in town and as jenny said you know we do have rules and regulations and we try to take the subjectivity out of it from our side so if you look at the end of the rules and regulations basically it's as simple as strike one strike two strike three and you're out and for the most part i think we've tried to keep to that so hopefully if it's understood on both sides i think we're all a little better off vote like to make a motion that we approve the change of manager would you mind coming up to the table i said at the beginning this is something that handful of residents had come for the simple description of as you're coming down and the houses so the resident said come in front of us asking could we make it a one way or we make it a no through street sign and we make it a local traffic only science we had discussions earlier meeting we decided to put up two signs on one forty eight just as you before you turn that says no through traffic and we ran that for a while and rather than just saying it's done we asked a public safety officials and d p w to come back in front of us from their perspective was it the right decision was it effective or should we revisit it and then we also reached out to the neighborhood again and at the time of the first hearing asked them to come back in the fall once it's been running for a few months to see if it was worth doing or if there was any changes needed so with that background i guess i'll turn it over the chief and give us an update thank you mr developes when i saw th union street and they're just headed home so i'll turn it over to him for a few thank you thank you to have someone do good work ok you can i do not interrupt you but either have to stand the microphone of that because i know cable have a hard time hearing you from home day looking at your first xi which is your red she with just the two days on it that was the first study that we did that was in june two thousand and fifteen i was a two day study for thursday and friday and what you can see is on thursday and friday  particular days i had one hundred twenty three vehicles on thursday hundred eighteen vehicles on friday the peak would have been at five o'clock with forty four vehicles in june on thursday and thirty nine vehicles on friday all right so fast forwarding ahead last week i was asked by the chief to conduct another survey this survey was conducted starting on thursday oct fifteenth and started  m and it continued till monday of this week and ended at eight p m and what we saw was actually pretty significant increase of traffic but this is after the signs this is not to the sides ok we also saw a change and the amount of vehicles depending on what time of day of was we saw a dramatic increase in the morning which is at first i thought unusual because we don't have a backup on one forty one it's not really a cut through that time the change was so significant that the original should survey shows at nine o'clock in the morning i believe both days had eight vehicles on friday october sixteenth you see at nine o'clock in the morning forty vehicles and on monday at nine o'clock thirty three  right so that's attributing to it an increase of vehicles the original survey did include speed you know the reason why this survey did not is because the survey device that we use has multiple sensors on it needs to sensors to be working in order for it to calculate speed or down a sensor so we only have one sensor which gives us volume right that's something we're trying to address but as of now we just got a l the speed indicated on the for original survey no vehicles are violating this statutory limit which is thirty miles an hour they're all well below is it possible to go much faster than thirty because  a short distance on the turn when when i set up the original survey i try to set up kind of like a benchmark speed to show that it's working correctly and i was fortunate to have officer had with me to help set of the machine it's a little comprehensive we had to put out tape and everything and it can be dangerous depending what type of road you're on so i actually asked officer had to try to attempt to drive his vehicle over the strips at a certain speed  i went i took obviously those pictures of bill's place and given st they do show some concerns in my mind of public safety if you look at the third page on that picture does show a number of vehicles on the  street and a couple of vehicles are actually parked on the sidewalk which is a violation of the town so that could be something that could be addressed number two i did measure the street out on certain points now i don't claim to be a surveyor i actually borrowed a measuring tape from our janitor who was kind enough to let me borrow it and i measured it from multiple points starting in the beginning of feels place the corner fails place and then two spots on gilmore street heading up to granite street let me just check  an inch is the beginning of fails place again i just did it random this one happened to be a two sewer caps i thought it was a good place to do it so it was two hundred forty five inches at the corner it's two hundred seventy inches and starting on gilmore streets two hundred fifty four inches and two hundred fifty inches as a comparison i was curious to see what all the streets would be at i did measure a spot on union street  that would probably ease up around four but then from five on different five or so when you're running into commuting five to seven definitely and i think we had probably one of our worst commuting days there is today if i remember correctly it was backed up all way to the dairy queen but but based on this i would just these numbers on maybe you could guide me is it safe to say the signs of having little impact there they're not preventing the traffic from going through as intended the individuals that i stopped saw and again that was awesome part of our plan was to go out there for two weeks they assigned the north sector car every monday wednesday and friday for a period of an hour to an hour and a half between the hours of four thirty and six basically do traffic control and again the signs as far as we can tell is unavoidable so it had to be other things outside the realm of just coming through ok but those are the actual counts of those times what's that those these are the that's i don't think it's surprising that just placement of the sign when you're turning you're not going to see that sign unless a step back for other i just be they don't really stick out just to play devil's advocate if i was stopped and they said did you see the no through sign you think people are going to say i have never i mean we can we try to approach every stop with a you know a positive attitude we're not trying to get we're not putting on the trooper mentality where you're going out there and roger there's you know i i knew when we put the signs up that they wouldn't have much effect because they seldom do but that the idea is that there are other options  and we talked about them before we put the signs up one was a one way option that would be an inconvenience to the residents but it might keep more traffic off that road and that's an forcible you can make the the there is a way to make them black and whites and forcible but it's very difficult for the police to do that under any circumstance because they have to basically stop and find out that the car is not occupied by people from the neighborhood but in order for us to make those and forcible we need to be approved through mass highway and the registry of motor vehicles and that that's a difficult process one of the one of the things we do with most of the roads in town is we use chapter nine imani on those roads and that state wide money that comes from the gasoline tax so restricting the roads to travel to certain types of traffic to local traffic becomes a sticky wicket when you go to mass that can be done but it's not easy now i'm not a fan of making it in the street a one way but is there a way to do it during certain hours from like four to six it's one way yeah you can do that it makes the sign pretty complicated and if you if you drive the common and drive the main street coming down toward the common you you'll see a field of signs in front of you and people who are driving can't will not immediately recognize those signs that the that the speed of approach the time it takes for someone to intellect outside the election time and the time it takes them to react to a sign gets them to the common pretty quickly so that's why many of the signs around the common don't get observed because people people obviously don't see them regardless of what we violation takes a vote of the board to do it here traffic commissioners you can do  that right here right now the signs if you are driving toward the common here on main street ok and his gilmore street right here right here the sign on gilmore street is facing this way so when you're driving ok i can go i can take a right and they go right but they won't see that sign if it's facing this way the problem with that is that some people would interpret that sign is applying to main street because it's facing main street  w it's you know it's really the psychological process of observing it and reacting to assign takes time in it and and people don't always equate that they just you know they're used to a certain way to travel and a lot of times they'll just do it till like you said maybe maybe they get a ticket for it or whatever but it's not easy to control traffic with just signage just you know it works is there any thought of making the passage through feels as torturous as possible so that people just give up on all the two hundred forty five inches with parked cars on the road it's pretty torture a straight face to the one that's that's twenty feet twenty and a half feet and that's that's not a lot of with normally we build to twelve foot lanes and the streets are pretty narrow and pretty congested close there's a lot of things close to the road but i wouldn't say it wouldn't work it will it will slow him down but it wouldn't be that would be more of a speed control than a directional traffic control probably that the only the only thing that might work a little bit better than what you have is the one way certain hours and i would say that that would be you know over the board to do that it's pretty easy to put them up is that given the given this data that you so much that the best alternative we have to work with right now i think so i can't think of any others maybe i'm not a traffic engineer but i've done enough of it so she's you have anything to add from your experience that it's always been up a roadway that's been very narrow we don't get a tremendous amount of calls of any nature road backed up all the time they live someplace and sell foxboro and they know that if they take these alternative routes they're going to avoid the common altogether which is you know their goal  i don't know what the enforcement alone is the key to bringing about a solution but it will be a temporary one as long as someone's there and given the pro player there's no guarantee that every night will have someone there because we have other duties to take care of and if neighbors are here tonight i'd like to hear you know if they have some proposals or you any thing that is changeable there to make the traffic not as congested you have a situation where you have cars going into the rotary from five different traffic flow probably bird street is the smallest traffic flow but because of that interchange of combining forces that they manage in themselves around the center you're to have backups especially on your key streets south street for example different types of backed up down to the i go building another times you know mechanics street not as bad slowing down traffic yes it does slow down traffic but presents a major safety risk a parked car basically steers the view of an operator if you do have a small child that is behind that car you're not going to see it what well stated so i also want to be cognisant we've got five or six other items on here this this can't turn into a design shred of how we're going to solve it tonight but i do want to hear from us if they're any of the residents i hear so this is brother you want thank you that was good information i remember i'm not sure how many years ago but i think it was about fifteen years ago or so when chief o'leary actually agreed to give us a stop sign where fails and gilmore intercept  and that was because the neighbors at the time my kids were small at the time and a number of neighbors got together and we did feel that that slowed down the traffic and i remember some of the same issues at that time you said it wasn't like a completely legit stop sign but we were going to put it up and see if it worked and it didn't work because now people do have to stop halfway down the street so that's good i do see traffic of course  and i am often you know i've dealt with them on a story traffic for the twenty three years that we've lived there there's definitely an increase in traffic backed up at the center but i just feel like you know what it's a fact of life i live one block from route one forty i don't like to see speeders and you know people driving fast my own family is guilty of parking on the street because we have four vehicles four adults living in the house we have nowhere else to park we have a little tiny driveway and a six thousand square foot lot so two cars go in the driveway two cars and one of them is a big pickup truck on the street you know when my son's home from college so it's just you know it's it is what it is i would like to see maybe better signage on one forty because i feel i've i was unable to see that for a few days until people told me there was this i didn't realize it and then i look for and they said oh yeah but i it's not clearly visible to me so i'm thinking maybe better signage would help and i also think the occasional police presence will deter the fox for a locals and if that's mostly who's doing it or peep bill you know that you know live in mansfield or whatever and they you know figure out that they can cut off part of the center i think it will help what we do not want to see in my family is for any street to become one way i think that would be a giant inconvenience it would really be very aggravating to me and slow down my commute in the morning getting out early in the morning getting out you know to route ninety five i want to quickly take a right out of my street and avoid the center myself and go the fastest way i can to get to the highway or wherever it is i want to go i don't want to be impeded by one way streets and trying to figure things out you know if it had to be you know during the rush hour time you know i could live with that but for the streets for the i think there are twenty four households within that area for all of us to be trapped and not to be able to get out the direction that we want to go i'm not willing to give up my freedom you know because of this you know irritating problem of people cutting through so that's our piece did i forget anything ok thank you  the centers fast as you want so you're going to go to the right you're going to go to the left you're going to come down grass field or one of those it's a fact of life that it's getting more congested i'm not a big fan of one ways speed bumps i don't like cars parked i see the little flag man off so often i've seen you out there a number of times we can't keep putting officers sitting on one neighborhood and taking them away for other i'm willing to say let's keep the signs up  if you go down that road you know it's a you know through traffic i was there when one of the neighbors was stopping somebody and saying i know you and i know you don't live here people know that they should be going through that if it's not enforceable they figured it out by now other than moving the house or making it a one way i'm not sure there's a solution that the selectmen can offer tonight oh i appreciate we want to get into the science scenarios here but i think by trying to address traffic on phil's place we're trying to put a band aid on the situation the real problem is the common and i think that's going to get worse so i think we're going to look at the bigger picture and try and see how we can get traffic to flow through the common more freely and has already taken steps of gathering data about traffic flows into the common area green from the board gave me some information and shared with me some of the research that they've already done to try and figure out potential alternatives to better manage the flow of the cars that we have coming through especially during peak hours and white of future development of the downtown so the planning bo started to look at that unless they are all right because it was so two members that i met with so that is an issue that they are looking forward to working on very good you know and us on the board that it doesn't but the numbered route goes right through economic and the planning agencies always plan a route and they don't necessarily care if it's a state highway or it's like a road so i mean this might be a good topic for next tuesday when we get together with the planning planning boards going to be there and the discussion is development around the common so that ok anything else on the board is with sure if i can ask if you could just come up to the microphone jerry was eleven feels place you had requested myself in our poor area to be at this meeting tonight correct here so what i would like to report is we have not noticed a whole lot of difference we are noticing traffic now coming in both directions both from one forty heading north and one forty heading south in one month i have seen almost three times a head on collision at that ninety degree bend in our street i think we do need to address this it needs to be addressed so on before something tragic happens we have fifteen to eighteen new children moved in on the street all very young we have no sidewalks i believe mr hill you would mention that the street was only sixteen feet wide with this ninety degree bend in the street so a couple thoughts that some of the neighbors have had and i know a lot of people don't like one way streets but problem there were having speed on the street granted they're not breaking the speed limit of thirty our street should be thirty if we need to have a ten mile an hour speed limit put on the street you can't get to thirty miles an hour on our street it's not long enough i think to get there although i think we've seen some people approach that see the speed has to be addressed with the same speed limit so i think this has to be addressed sooner than later i don't disagree that it needs to get addressed i'm having a hard time finding out how to do that and i'm not writing it off but you know it's very difficult to please all of the neighbors and i know that for a fact on those neighborhoods because a lot people don't want to one way is if there's if there's ways to you know that i'm going to put this back on you a little bit if you can meet with the neighborhood and find out if there's a common consensus of what you would like there because we can't we can't have it at this table we were  so so let me suggest this maybe a and i don't know if there's somebody from this group that could sit with the neighbors or roger i come up with some kind of a concept plan that we just don't have the time at this table  certainly not tonight what i do i sympathize and i know what you're saying i don't have a solution and i'm i'm in the business of civil engineering and finding solutions to certain things we can't do because of public roads i don't know the history of want to use to be a one way but if the neighborhood if you have the longevity and you've lived there for twenty you know fifteen twenty thirty years i think if there's consensus from the neighborhood and it gets to a point where you can come and say we've all met in this is our goals and objectives and this is what we can live with what i don't want to do is start dividing neighborhood seen some people want one way some of them want to ways you know this is for cars on the street when this you know maybe two or something like  that it's not a selectman issue it's more of a neighborhood work it out and then come with us to us with a solution we can certainly help you by loaning the d p w and the police along the way but short of that i'm not sure what we can do tonight on i think you're coming tonight because your daughter said you question here is say yes and it's a big question because there's a whole bunch of little kids on the street i should have my steps at five o'clock in the afternoon you've gone by you know exactly what goes on you know you could some of the cows go by so fast you can't read the license plates now my suggestion is make it one way from say three to six it would take that big rush hour traffic to try to get through the bomb and it would it would eliminate cutting through the neighborhood at that hour during those hours and those are the i was the worst the worst force but i'm also here and from three to six if you want to get to your house and you're one forty you can't go down your own road you've got to go all the way with everybody else go around the rotary and come back the other way i can get down granite street and take a right on gilmore and that's another question rush what happened to the signs that you're going to put on granite street i only put the kilmore in the fields play on the granite street sign would have been kind of redundant that's what i thought yeah i know i never know why they didn't get what i think i think we decided that  yeah the last meeting to put no through on granite that's a mile long and it just keeps going so how do you say no through because you going to be gone for miles but i honestly think if you make it one way from three o'clock to six o'clock  know you had your day care that so could you be the point person or somebody from the neighborhood get together at a neighborhood group meeting invite one of us so we can sit in on it and get some consensus because i just and with others and we just with a project that involves the installation of what's called myths which is a modular integrated transportable substation a mobile substation at the site the property is located  the company is looking to acquire a small portion of this fifty acre site in which in order to install this mobile substation  permits and approvals from the planning board including but not limited to an hour indorsement in order to create the small lot on which this substation is going to be situated so the company is obtain all the permits required from the town except this last permit in connection with the earth removal so the earth removal permit requirement in this case is triggered by the fact that approximately three hundred twenty five cubic yards of earth material contemplated to be taken off the site in order to accommodate the grading work that's going to occur on the site and ultimately the mits itself so that's the jurisdictional trigger for for the permit and tonight we're hopeful that or we're hoping and seeking the permit to be issued so that the company can commence work on the on the project which they're looking to do by the  way quite imminently it's been somewhat of a long road to get to this point not having anything to do with the town the town has been most cooperative clearing the staff and the other boards but we're at the point where it's taken us there's been a few bumps in the road with respect to closing the transaction and at this point where we see the light and this is the last hurdle so the property has been so good and national gr of various permits including the ones i described including this earth removal permit once that happens then we can close and then we'll be looking to commence work if expedience national good company no it's  portion of the fifty of the larger fifty acre site that will the remainder of that site will continue to be owned by  used as an access way to get to the existing town water the the water tower which is located that parcel is located to the south of the parcel that we are looking to acquire because it's a version of else like we can make certain assumptions based on what's out there it's probably typical loamy rocky type show you find all over new england which is perfectly suitable built on but i guess we find something out there that we can't use for instance a large amount of bedrock that's in a way we may have to end up over excavating the bedrock to make room for foundations we haven't done a soil testing boring test pits or anything like that but we know for effectively here national grid and project manager associated with this question was bought up at the last hearing basically we're reaching capacity of the existing circuits that are in foxboro right now in this area this is going in as a relief to those circuits right now so it is going to increase reliability and capacity for load growth in the future and that's a fee for the home for the whole town be relevant to this right now correct the original letter that i salute you stated that after consultation with town engineer and d p w director that the access road that we show on the previous page there had to be repaid national grid has agreed to do any repairs from damage this time my understanding is what you're looking at here with this meds is his bayswater phase two which may have been revived years down the road it's a full blown substance now these meds are now currently being installed is one on the ponds or the positive have a roach related and they're there doing one across from elm street as well it's all part of the union balance are we taking it off the salad are we from the site plan perspective there levelling the site the export is needed to put the base nothing more nothing less and it's a pretty routine process it is ok before we close the public hearing where this is a public hearing is anyone from the audience that would have any of those questions concerns mr chairman just before we open it up to the public there are a couple of waivers that we had requested to the extent that it's it's necessary that they just based on the bylaws the way it's written that the two waivers that we had requested one pertains to an easement and i think an act  piece meant allowing the talent to enter the site do we requested a waiver from this requirement given the security need to secure a nature of the substation  no personnel except for any c and authorized contractors are allowed to enter the site unless it there it's escorted so the company does not grant that so long as the director of d p w indicated that that his department wasn't interested in taking any of that loan that that condition is is also waive a bill  self i think the intent involves the town having the right to go into the site to the extent that the company fails in its obligations to restore the site the i care for i can read a portion of the bylaws as well let me read all of it no no permit only issued until the owner of the site has granted to the town and easement over the land in question and conveys to the town the legal right to enter upon said  equipment and personnel for the purpose of making acceptable restoration in accordance with the approved restorations plan in the event of default of such restoration specified in the permit by the owner of or has   i don't want to do this project or i don't want to grade it to the level that we indicated we're going to grade and then the town says well you're in the fault of your obligations pursuant to this permit that was granted and so being a lawyer i have to say in easement for the civil folks in the room means something different than just having a condition that says to the extent that the obligations set forth in this permit are not opportunities to go in and fix it on your behalf that's a zoning by law that i'm not comfortable waving that tonight if you want to it sounds like we're comfortable with this we can go towards the approval without any waivers or you can pull it back try to come back with us with some clarification to something that we can feel comfortable with but i'm not countable waving anything on as owning by law tonight we dealt with the topsoil and you're  right it's the rich material that you take off people think tops soil is very valuable the d p w most likely does not want it unless it's all screened and you can do that i think so chances are we're not going to take it i just hear with yeah we've been down this road before but the intent of that is so people outstripping large tracts of land sending it over to a different town and over time the town is depleted of topsoil so that's another way that i'd not yet in other words no that was purposely written to keep it you can reggie only does it not that i don't know i don't want to complicate the issue but the underlying property except for the property that's being acquired by by national feed that site but that that that roadway is on craft property and an easement to the roadway can only be granted by the subservient party  think what i think that they really need i think the town needs a temporary right of entry until completion of the project and that's that's really all you need before you pull the plug and sit on the equipment we just do it with just see it looks good to us you'll be good to go that a condition that would be imposed by the planning board yes yes i have the zoning board yes that's it but that's what they need and that that is doesn't require us to be an owner and that's fine that would be fine is the condition going to indicate that that that i'm not sure who the enforcement officer would be would it be the billing commissioner or some other i before we close the public hearing any more discussion we want to add to it it still doesn't eliminate the fact that there's language in there that says he's not we we can add to it but unless we formally give them a variance from any of the requiring what he's been through this case means in my mind temporary access so we can just change the language to temporary access until such time as your town manager the building commission are whoever's involved say and signed off on it and then that goes through it the best we could be in what we thought was the legal way the proper way to do it and getting through all of the boards ok sometimes you can throw up too many obstacles that really don't exist yet you think this is the case so if what you're saying is true and a national grid has had attorneys look at this and not just national grid everybody everybody so in that respect i am very apprehensive to give a waiver unless i i just don't i don't see the need other than what if worst case they don't do and then someone calls it an easement and it's going to be in perpetuity for it has been brought up before it has been the case granted this is something that is a little unique but that's going to be built after the earth remove all issue goes away and the permits issued and there's an inspection and what's done according to the site plan is done then they bill that so you know if we're going to go through a waiver tonight and try to put language together that makes sense when the attorneys you know that i'm not supportive of that this particular case it was ingestion who's chairman is that is that the that the process goes information on what is being proposed is would you give an overview of what the oh absolutely i do have a set of plans that you may or may not have i think it's representative and sometimes helpful just to you already have a set ok the one that i'm looking at in particular is for bradford avenue and just by way of background what verizon wireless is faced with is an abundance of network demand i mean i it's a good place to be obviously where you have customers who are demanding your product in their product is the waves basically that allow people to communicate and as the continuing demand capacity and otherwise coverage continues to inundate horizon wireless network it's continuing to come up with flexible hopeful solutions that will allow it to continue to satisfy the customer requirements so in this particular instance what we're looking at using what's called the small cell deployment that's a very limited type of facility a limited amount of equipment as opposed to what is a macro site so horizon wireless would have a number of macro sites which have a beefier in tennis with more radio equipment that allow them to operate what they found over time is these simply aren't adequate to meet the demand on the network so they've come up with this and we've gone forward in other communities and i think it's i think it's a really good and interesting approach to address a very difficult problem so the facility itself consists of utilizing in existing infrastructure utility poles basically so fry's and wireless is already and entered into a license agreement with national grid to attach on to various utility bills or they have what they call the pre licensing phase where they've made the necessary filings and they're still in process by national grid so before doing any work as required we would certainly enter into an agreement with the owner of the ball to the extent that locations are in the town right of way but we found in other communities is that it's helpful and i think the reason that's for eyes and wireless is representative perhaps stopped by was it's typically something that's handled fairly informally where the party is designated in the town that we send notice that it's a particular location that we're interested in the right away and in some communities they've looked at perhaps that you need to have an electrical permit to continue the work so if to the extent it's in a it's in a town right of way we would follow the process similar to that hopefully that would allow us to contract with of arisan wireless recognize a vendor to go out and actually perform the work typically it's just a bucket truck or something like that that allows them to access the utility pole and put their small antenna it's really just a two foot cylindrical type of antenna there is some additional equipment that's also attached to utility pole there's absolutely no ground equipment and no ground work or ground disturbance within any of the areas it's really something that's utilizing the existing infrastructure there's a fiber run that goes back to a what we call a central hub in that central hub in this particular instance that hasn't been identified that's where the actual radio equipment is switching equipment would be to allowed to connect back into the network so the the idea is as i had said to try and deal with capacity anyway that is lease impactful is possible by utilizing in infrastructure we you know we would also put these in the state right approached by these companies because they were on the right of ways they went to the short just for approval to be able to do the editing though which are basically what it is my understanding from be owned by barrage so they would be agreement with with with national range all the locations that have been and then applied that's far national grid limitations yet you know basically winterizing wireless has done is they've entered into what they call an asteroid agreement with national grid so throughout the state where there are national grid utility poles they will enter into an attachment license and as has already been constructed you know they have to by state law as required also  law is to grant nondiscriminatory access to any wireless service provider who wants to attach to these particular locations it simply viewed as a is a good use not unlike you know anyone else a cable provider or whomever else may need to utilize the to be spread out further through town just conceptually i mean it's really a determination that it's going to be made by the national grid or the utility provider as to what input what type of equipment each particular pol will support so to the extent that it would support multiple facilities and they would be in a position to license  shared but i thought we were discussing what the actual physical utility pole itself was looking up so it's interesting to note that sprint and t within grid so and grid still that's still their utility pole we're just licensing space on it somewhere to have you know a cable provider or never else is utilizing what they've already built out of the other when you when you write that we as a board have jurisdiction over the polls because it is for the fact that they're in the right of way again this is for our information only tonight yes  so if we were offended i wanted to say no or say yes or whatever it's really irrelevant with respect to that because they're not apple if they were our poll which we do have some polls and right away but right but i think the national grid poll right expansion you've had with other communities that you go into with this information are you asking for approval or why why what we've found is that you know we're certainly want to work cooperate heavily obviously with every community we go into that provide important service i think so what we've found other communities is that to the extent it is going in a town right of way we will a person has been designated we will send them just notice to let them make them aware that we're going to be doing this work you know there's a police detail that's obviously involved you know and to make certain that while the bucket truck is there so that would be coordinated i guess through the town engineer or the police department will never so i guess what would be would be best or most helpful for resits just to know anything else on the board even good evening should be some easy lifting after all that heavy lifting and you do so in here to ask the lords vote to allow the town to basically do  refinancing it's a different term when it relates to minnesota bonds it's a refunding but for the ease of everybody's understanding we'll just call it a refinancing the interest rate environment has created another opportunity for fox to refinance refinanced new bonds not the ones that we had refinanced before they total about eight point six six million twenty year bonds aren't able to be refinanced or called until after ten years so that's why this opportunity is now presenting itself we have five bonds that are now ready to be refinanced if the interest rate environment as it is right or about to be ready to be refinanced so within a twelve month window just for informational purposes they happen to be the herne renovation bond to public safety building bonds one small high school gas conversion and a sewer bond it's also a small one the estimate interest savings on these is about a little under eight hundred thousand and it's over ten years that that savings would be realised all of the debt is excluded that so above and beyond two and a half except for just  hundred thousand dollars on sewer debt so eight point five six million of this refinancing is excluded so that would result in direct taxpayer savings or for just about all of this  and in order to proceed with the process just to offer the bonds for refinancing what's required is the board's approval just to go forward with that and if the board votes to do that we'll continue to prepare the offering prospectus i will conduct a sale at which point we would come back here to the board tentatively scheduled for november i'm sorry december first  and ask for the for the boards to consider accepting the low bid or reject there's no by voting tonight there's no obligation that we have to refinance the bonds but i think the invite the interest rate environment is is is ripe and coupon is a higher interest rate but a shorter term bond like a ten year bond obviously is a lower interest rate so and typically when these bonds go out there are lower coupons earlier on interest rates and higher coupons later on so we're looking at mostly three point seven five and four percent coupons at this point time on the remaining bonds so a ten year bond and is likely going to track something closer to two percent and you know so that's the savings and i  d if if the savings here comes in as we expect it's basically a part of forty percent savings on the interest that we pay on these bonds the bond markets pretty soft is there an appetite for the market to absorb these there  is there is this matter of fact that we're one of literally dozens of communities that are being herded to the marketplace to take advantage for as long as this opportunity last if the market were to remain at this low level we might come back again in two to three years when some other maturities get to that you can get to that ten year mark which would be the high school library after that and then we ha language to go forward yes just to go forward just authorize us to put together the offering perspective prospectus and you know we can't go forward without that without the board's you know authority because you can only refinance your bonds once you know it's a once one shot deal on you to choose refinance on or not or wait longer we believe this is a it is a perfect time you know the windows finally come again but eighty thousand a year already you know pending on how it's how it's amortized on average i figured out what's the average impact per the average residential tax payer eleven dollars a year per taxpayer on app you know for the average home value portion of the remaining principal of in redemption premium in interest of the town's general obligation bonds dated june fifteenth two thousand and five and august fifteenth two thousand and six and that for this purpose the treasurer is authorized to revive for the preparation distribution share resources at the state level with the local communities and also to identify some of the best practices that already exist in existence right the commonwealth and to share them back with the states so that we can so they can serve as a resource to other communities across the  grant funds so we want to be involved in this so if we can i so i guess the question is we've identified several areas that we think areas with the soil if you have additional ones or if you think we've missed it on a slight he needs some involved and i was wondering and i think it's noble but why does one have to enter into a compact to participate with taxpayer money and best practices that other communities may have developed in a sort of being herded by the state what are what are we what are we giving how to get what we're not giving up anything per se and i said i say that knowing full well there may be something i just haven't identified with what but why believe this is is that there was only so much of so much so many grant dollars available that are available throughout the state this is one way of competitively getting people involved so that we can actually get involved in possibly getting some of the money especially when it comes to things such as economic development and technology where we're starting to really do some really good things in the side to reach out to the community on different levels now so i think in the extent that we can we can gain from the knowledge of how they're already out there and some of the practices that are in place and why should we reinvent the wheel i mean i think it's really but by reading this it said that you will engage in one project and you know if you looking at this list i would say technology is a project the ro  growing some teeth in telling us what to do versus us exploring and in pulling in those things which i think of beneficial to the town well i don't i've never heard that that they in fact there have been in the conversations we've just try to be helpful to us and provide some guidance and some direction while i was writing the original question so why what's the need for a compact have to be helpful to us without signing it well i think the issue is if we didn't have the car then we wouldn't be able to build before the biggest pain the grant programs that renewed right so you're only really obligated to for two year period and if we find that it's not working out or it's not worth that we don't have is no obligation to them i mean it's i i liken it to a similar program that was  popular with the with the with the with the patrick administration previously where they had a a for ranking system that you would have to follow in the interim the best practices in your career was dealing with affordable housing and dealing with you know open space for dealing with planning master planning and they would wreck rank your community accordingly and the more the higher payment in their ranking process you were able to you know be very competitive when it came with with just the town so to go but then we found out later it was whose education bases were so we can we can do that i mean yeah i would think at least talk with the school to see and then the only other one that i noticed that  the energy and environment just maybe looking into some of those you actually went on to the the what the community compact websites actually very informative you can it's a map of the state you can click on each community and see which communities have committed what and i think i can press the easy button here for at least one item i believe it was canton had committed to develop formalized financial policies and that's their one their one item i believe so we're going to be doing that already so  thought that technology and getting our arms around that in place would be set that foundation everything else build off of that but i think until that's in place and i'll go with you on the financial policies of their written and ready to go with the technology one actually cuts right across the schools as well because they we were already out i mean it's one of these things i think we've been recognizing it for years but just we've been able to really tackle it and if this is to me i mean that's that's a key right there we can do one of the one i mean but i would have if there was well you know good to john's point i mean i don't think we don't want to take on too much but i think we have to narrow it down you know saying that we put this list together i mean it wasn't just you and mary beth it was did you consult with the other board to commissions and departments and so on some of them yes so we are actually the last ones to be more not necessarily all because yeah i think it's a i think it's a step and definitely a step in the right direction thanks for bringing this to us what would what type of schedule you're looking at the town is going to go in this direction and then associated with that there's a whole bunch of different articles from contracts but from our less is there anything that needed to be so stricken and taken off that you don't think should be just a real quick question has anyone t here i'm actually on a short couple that are going to be taken off right now but i mean i just long as they're involved in the discussion because a few weeks ago i heard from a few i can focus on you know it's just can't do it so hopefully but the first was abandoned a portion of liberty place i don't know that there's any reason why how they can't wait for the annual me because it's associate with the title project the town hall gets approved obviously there will be something we want to focus on th have now is strictly far forbes crossing now what it is right now foxtel plaza but the question is we always had a question did we wanted to do want to provide licenses in the other no  the the root of economic development in these notes was like a license is the very important so i think we are going back to janie's point to both sides specificity i think if we leased don't care them to the nodes that we would guarantee that few years ago where you know how many do we need where we are going to go but i think there's a comfort level if you have site specific you know in meaning in the nodes i think if you're going to invest a building  for the town they should have that flexibility because if i mean if we're going to go for you know whatever the number is six or eight additional like a license as you go through in the petition process let's let's add a couple just in case so we don't have to go back you know if you look at licenses right you know so i think you want to be correct in the number that we're going for and we had sharon had ryan prepare a map the of the no you know the different nose plus the downtown area and there was one section of the downtown area that she wanted to change the zoning just move it up but about to include that  but it was basically in the in the business so it's but also if you further down a possible downtown area so we still have that map so the question i guess before you tonight is if you are you prepared to do this at the special or town meeting first putting it on the spring i think if we were serious about it and did a really good job would be better off in the spring that way we can say we looked at it and we need this amount but i'm not strong about that because i don't want to miss an opportunity a functional plaza right has al says art we've done all this research all ready to go if we're starting it now between now and february there's a lot to do right so  in personnel bylaws that could wait to potentially write the contracts i think we have to get done where we're close to getting resolutions here so we want to try and put draft when they then when did that come up he just he mentioned that's what this past week so there's something they've been talking a not part of the c h p process that right still is but he could you just come to the is that so i know that's why i don't like last minute things that the warrant was already set in and it just doesn't make sense either a c n p process or it's not right and i do see i p committee would still need to convene to consider the request on the funding source for this would be within existing resources going to water enterprise ok and you're asking an excellent question you know this why i this one out of the annual order that we normally take and i think roger's made the case he wants to get it started earlier but that's in that form the c i pigmy form i believe that that's a question that will the roger would need to answer why why do we do are we doing this one many replacements i think it ties into some of his road right road work as well so it was of the get go in on the on the main replacement so we can get through it worth of the same year so they're asking the town to raise appropriate the money this is not part of the enterprise fund it still will be to be used till enterprise files are still brazen appropriate are all funds would come out of the water and cries and he says he has existing capital funds for this just wants to be able to have them authorized specifically so this is like the road so this is our this is the water main going up to like  one forty read on the same time and that's actually one forty which is in top shape i think the state wants to go on we want to make sure that we're trying to keep this is limited as possible i'd love to close about i don't want to make that decision only and we able to get so it was a good point was made earlier maybe we should go right to the to route one in terms of what one forty to see the impact along that road this as opposed to stopping at the really what was the fox approach of the charter school so i think we may want to talk about that i don't think it be that much of a of an increase in cost by doing that so we're going to keep going on that process really so  started here is one of the jobs that she's always aspired to be so she made that really well known during her interview and we're very pleased to have her she will be starting here officially december second but she has  revenue from that right now but i suggested to them that they want to fifty spaces i think we can comfortably do thirty as is i went out there i talked with a gatorade representative who would know because they have they were on the bus there all the time you know that through a little bit more before i do that but i would simply venture to say to you that it probably would be at the same level that they charge a writer on the station because it's an inconvenience of the paying we're further away you know so even if we charge say half of what they is the construction supposed to begin they said it's they said it's going to be eighteen month period so they haven't started yet obviously so i'm thinking i'm venturing out from about two year period starting from today forward ok be it could be less than that  cleanup site and we had to i think we only spent like close to fifteen thousand dollars which was nothing yet it was like you know like a city and so conceivably you could you could get there that money back through this process so maybe one way of dressing that but it was something to have any so you know a lot of people look at that i think that one thought that that we talked about is that maybe we come up with a different approach with a with a gate system where you have a card and just you know in this case you know as you know when i was hired i sort of took over you know some policy some not so i faded some nonexistent so we did a review of the vehicle policy and i want to our last control meetings where sends their representative we talked about there was an opportunity because a shared vehicle was becoming available this year when the building inspector got a new car there was going to be a shared vehicle several department requesting a vehicle and we came up with the idea of sharing between conservation assessors and planning on the old building inspector vehicle so in our discussions in los control in reviewing good risk management policies we brought one vehicle passing which was three well two and a half pages and he was like this doesn't even cover what you need to cover when you have people using your car so he and directed me to their website where i found the and we took that as a template and we created what we gave to you tonight as the fox foreign policy so back up until you created this draft this two thousand and ten policy was what we used to know we actually had we didn't we never used this policy we two thousand and ten which is not that it wasn't that now there are two thousand and ten policies only two pages we have the two thousand and twelve policy was two and a half and it's very user friendly and it does cover us for some liability but policy that folks ask me about right on page five this this thing about employees who commute more than twenty five miles one way or numbers the time for the additional fuel cost provision as long as there is no break in assignment of a municipal vehicle greater than six months after which the exemption will no longer apply and my of based this on an insurance appeal that they had  so anything prior to two thousand and six was was not covered i can direct you to be found and of this policy page fourteen for anybody who commuting more than twenty five miles one way and we don't have anybody right now to fall under this but you never know it's bullet point number two on page fourteen of your policy not not looking at the miami model policy now  employee commutes greater than twenty five miles and they were saying the time so that was something not a question that came up that was an unusual situation and when looking at all of our department heads who are issued twenty four seven there's be obviously a shared vehicle right now we have inspection all services board of health shares one vehicle animal control has a vehicle those three departments i mentioned earlier conservation planning and assessors are going to share  director time engineer people who have to respond to a twenty four seven emergency inspection all folks are not taking vehicles on and i don't think there's any other design allowed to take a car or it's either written in their contract or won't be in the vehicle as part of a vehicle policy that will be reviewed we do have a everyone you need to review the policy and sign off on it this has been vetted this is about three months but the work that we gave it to the last control group which has department heads on it we gave it to our operations we gave it to the people who we know are going to be sharing the vehicle so it's gone to every level  that you need a class a massachusetts valid driver's license to do the job and down you know that would be also included in the if it was a twenty four seven requirement the job description we would provide  insurance adjuster and she gave us our fleet schedule so these are all up to date vehicles on here with blacked out anything that's like a school bus something that will take it home a fire engine  those kind of things these are all vehicles that may at some point be a shared vehicle or potentially taken home but a lot of this is just you know someone has to pop two of an inspection  form they have this giant policy manual that they have to use for accreditation and deb and i had a talk last week we met you know we talked about how which of our policies cross over which are which apply like their id policies are so thick we only we need a much smaller one on the town side so some of them cut across i am going to offer this one to them that's what we do we share policies with one another like our quarry policy simple compared to theirs they require you know print them so there are some policies that we can use across but a lot of it aside from the policy if we're getting a list of town home vehicles and then users are taking the home is this the that discussion always there was some damage done to a private vehicle on top property because it was being plowed and the car got damaged me who i thought process that says if it's town properties as an overnight parking  because these dates are apart from the suspension date so that probably we could allow this correct for the discussion i just think fox carriers and they got their violation was a fake id and they brought the a b c c n n thought last meeting and they brought in fake i d s from four or five different states can tell and it doesn't all asking machines don't pick up the new fake i d s are coming in so you know it's yeah it was a violation but it's not from a over serving so at what point is that a violation if someone is taken under into protective gear if you've got twenty people taken into protective custody doesn't that say something for the the server who should recognize that the person was incapacitated not serve them again right i mean should it be should we i mean we can't with each each just stablish one has a file should there be should we take into consideration when people are taken into protective custody at a certain at an establishment should that be because if pad it's by the police blotter it's part of some record i don't know the culture of  i know the reporter gets a listing of all the violations from and i know they don't print everything does the town get to his town hall get a list like it every week or us i think this was brought up a few years ago and nothing happened so i mean is that something that we could put your request that y who reached out to make sure that that that that that happened i reached out to the craft organization and it was in context to probably a little bit of everything but of all the different permits and changes i wanted the board to as would any other member board that's going to be the playing border i think the school i watch a school committee meeting last night they're going to have people there as well so or for any any public body that has a majority will have to open up the meeting actually that's very copy of the time being worked with the item that you rejected did you take off item from this or from the february war on oh yeah we're each each meeting we have a spreadsheet and it was eleven on it so collectively we took off for ok and then we have a draft of all so you're welcome to that as well excellent that's perfect you guys mentioned the up to launch situation what's the current situation with the optima lounge that you guys are working with yeah so you had a couple meetings on it they came back and initially they requested an alteration of the liquor license granted that and then one of the side items was we had to do the math of seats  ticket values our council wrote an opinion of the lease that was fifteen years it's a thirty year lease so if fifteen years ago there was a lease in pain pain in lieu of taxes yeah that says x y and z so our council wrote and presented to this board a public meeting his interpretation of the lease craft organization responded with their interpretation of the lease so now the two attorneys are getting together next week to see if there's a way to work it out one way or the other  split in the middle or part ways we're not sure so that we get a positive result and so it's like a continuation of the situation when they eliminate all those seats to make the lounge correct excellent that's what i figured and that's about everything thanks