believers in particular with reference to this case how do you do you disha lee recognize the parameters of religious faith in a rural chinese environment can this court consider the special deference given to an immigration judge is credibility finding on demeanor with regard to the asserted religious beliefs of petitioners who are rurally inarticulate but professing christians petition i jay's frustration with petitioner got in the way or interfered with a true and valid assessments of the petition is actual religious beliefs it's painful staring at the ceiling there was frequent hesitation in response and indeed the petitioner evinced a knowledge of only really one or two bible stories i as the attorney and the judge attempted to vincent what bible stories do you know can you tell what stories you know the petitioner continually was able only to talk about creation he was able to only say that jesus was  son of god he didn't recognise any of the prophets he apparently didn't know the names of the prophets he continually repeated forgive my planned words as a mantra that the earth was created in one day the immigration judge in shin asked him how can i believe if you cannot give me the answer to this how can i believe that you are a christian you haven't told me anything that will allow me to believe i believe that petition is telling we responded in his own way if i'm not telling the truth i will surely go home and die i think this is the gut response of a true believer i think that in this particular case the immigration judges credibility finding was made not primarily on whether the petitioner had a reasonable fear of persecution but rather does he know his religion and obviously he didn't really know his religion very well i am requesting therefore affirmation of being a christian the immigration judge issued an exceedingly limited demeanor finding a i'm requesting the court to consider whether in this particular case possible limits can be placed on the special deference given to this immigration judges credibility finding or point of difference or not under this my concern is reading through is that she does talk about the demeanor having learned as a trial attorney there's  need to put on the record during the course of a proceeding what is really going on because the cold record doesn't tell you and so i read the transcript as for putting it on the record and then she puts it in her decision if petitioner in particular one inconsistency is when petitioner received this first bible how long he went to church i would respectfully suggest that if petitioner is unable to answer anything about the bible except the world was created in seven days he was all and he was also on able to remember after two minutes the date of his birth or how old he was it is not surprising that he would have difficulty in remembering when he received his first bible i think all of this is part of a sustained pattern his lack of education his perhaps low i q his lack of sophistication but his belief he was  in his head and hesitancy with regard to his testimony in front part of it with regard to his talking in front of the asylum officer as and his interview the asylum officer also commented that he has attained it i believe that this  hesitation is not a lack is does not indicate a lack of credibility but a lack of religious belief if you would have wanted to protect himself he certainly would in the intervening months or between his hearing in front of the immigration judge and his interview with  officer he certainly could have learned one or two additional bible stories i was attempting to prompt him the judge was attempting to prompt him he simply was uncomfortable all he did say was if i don't if i'm not telling the truth i'm going to go home and die  relied upon and i think a perusal of his testimony certainly indicate indicate the relatively rural and unsophisticated background from which he comes the bible stories he knows that is the creation and jesus  review of the record your honor will indicate the full scope of his actual beliefs i i think you do an injustice well be that as that may i feel that he is really no more no less a product of his own  environment and environment which is reflected in the rudimentary nature of this testimony the fact that he knew little about basic points of christian beliefs i feel has no purchase on the larger issue of whether he's a bible first he says he had it as a child then he says it was given to him in one nine hundred seventy seven so that he would have been approximately ten years old by his pastor then he says he first got it in one thousand nine hundred four when he was baptized finally he says the illiteracy in general as opposed to lying about his religion i'm sorry it's a you know it response to other questions he exhibited the sane response and you could barely tell his own age or what he was how old mean that you know you really don't need an education to be able to respond to something like that or for example the two stories he talks about regarding his wife's encounter with the police first he says in the  g i hearing that well first after he had been in prison and he left the country the police came talked to his wife that's that's how he knows that they came and they imprisoned her and asked question by and then he says that she left before the police ever came i mean again yet again that's not something you really need an education to get that story consistent so nothing in the record you're honest compels reversal for the reason stated that issue for you