right well welcome good evening and i'd like to call to warder the self growing to inside the council meeting of november fifth twenty eighteen it's a special joint session began at six we had a little reception and then we have a regular second session starting right now and in a few minutes we will have a joint session with the school board so when we the first item of business is the pledge of allegiance all right our second item is instructions on exiting the building in case of an emergency if we have an emergency tonight fortunately we have our two directors of public safety with us both for chiefs but little of their direct intervention if we do have an emergency tonight and we need to leave the building immediately please go out these two side doors that exit to the outside gather in the parking lot to the south for some reason no stores are blocked please go back out into the lobby back out the main inference going around the corner and will gather in the parking lot tom hubbard and i will be responsible for making sure the building is clear so please everybody leave expedition thank you before we get any more of the agenda i just would like to ask us to have a moment of silence this past two weeks has been horrific with murders unfortunate shootings or car accidents we also unfortunately tim barrett is not here tonight his father passed away unexpectedly so he's in california it seems like there's a lot of things to think and people whose prayers and thought we could send might be helpful and then of course i think we probably probably should all pray for democracy tomorrow and hope that our election goes as smoothly as we anticipate so you just spell your head and think about those things for a moment i appreciate it thank you thank you so item three is the agenda review are there any additions deletions or changes in the order of agenda items seeing none will move on to comments and questions from the public not related to the agenda yes i know eric has one so would you come forward please engineering and graduate i would like to bring up a large concern of mine concerning the five cell towers in vermont i don't believe that these are safe at all and that they are a huge hazard to public health there are communities around the us that are trying to block the deployment including mill valley in california which is  has recently passed an urgency organs to an deployment in residential neighborhoods the f c c is not doing their job and protecting americans from the health effects mostly due to financial businesses who have he keep investment in wireless technology i would like the city council to pursue an ordinance that would protect families and children and elderly in vermont from g five deployment and here areas such as residential and near schools tower that was placed across the street from edmonds middle school and phil radiation levels at that school are significantly high and cause for extreme types of bonds that can be damaged by not high and radiation such as vendor wall bonds which are bonds that are used during the d n a creation and the human body produces about three thousand miles of d n a per day so people can receive a significant amount of d n a damage without destroying any covalent bonds thank you and i believe you sent wedding anniversary and so this is a little present to my husband who is a school bus driver here in south pearlington so what i'm here to say is to ask the city council and also the residents of south burlington to start paying attention to the laws we have around stopping when school buses have their arm out if you listen to the news this week you've heard that a number of little children were killed because cars were running through the lights of the school bus had the arm down  and and so my husband who wrote a letter to the other paper a while ago about this says every single day every single day people run through past the school bus when the arm is out that says stopped every single day he sees cars speeding i walk every day and every day i look at the past the drivers and mostly their eyes are down they're not even looking up so do i know we have a law against you know texting and using your phone while driving but people are ignoring that i don't want to see any level of any children or anyone killed but if it's happening every day and i know we don't have an unlimited police force but i'm really urging the council to maybe ask the police department to start a crackdown on that and before someone actually gets hurt like is what happened across you know united states this past week so that's my close to nolan farm road which is a twenty five mile our speed limit there i can tell you if you go twenty five miles an hour people will be on your bumper as happened last just this a few minutes ago when i was coming in that's a very wide area they constantly speed on that road now he stops the bus and any other school bus driver they're stopping right on nolan farm road and kids are crossing there's no cross walks on that but he says he sees  america where so it's not just one location i know for a fact i know one farm road and i don't want to my neighbors who live on the infirm road don't kill me if the cops come out and ticket you were speeding but but that's that's an area we're car speed i've seen i've seen people go up on curbs because they're coming around the corner so quickly they can't control like i've seen him up on the go in the grass and then they're surprised because of the speed but also there are children on that road and there are school buses that stop on that road as our school bus is stopping on many of our roads except our roads have far more cars on them now people are we more aggressive now than they were even when i moved up here ten years ago and they're so distracted you put all those three things together and i was i was telling david earlier when i got my driver's you know took my test knowledge stuff to go that was one of the sacred ones you never disobeyed when a school bus stopped or when you had an ambulance or fire truck you stopped and you i was actually shocked to hear the people just disregard that and just go through that school bus arm it's just so dangerous and so i  something that we like to hear about what part of the reason why most of our students don't opposite side crosses because of that and it's not about the sign it's about the red lights and the signs and we even when we're doing same side so we're right side dropping off generally trying to do the right side that changes our route drop off but we know want to have students generally cross right because of that but kids are kids i mean they're they got their neighbors across the street you know  you know again we we have worked with the police and we'll continue to do that we've had actually placed so growing police officers behind us on almost every year and on many rounds and they still go through and obviously they get to take a lot of this is about people not paying attention and being in some other place in their get train of and getting attention so we i think it's a good always a good message for us all the remind people to slow down and never ever go through that no matter where it is sometimes even in our parking lots when yes good excuse for a good road trip so that was the bulk of my week really i mean that reading it up a week so there goes ok good enough meghan anything visiting my son too but he's not yet married ok well i was busy i can't remember how many different public meetings on the city center that i was one of the prisoners but there were several so that took some time and it was great not a whole lot of people attended them but i think  patrick duke and jennifer copeman helped with the presentation so i think we answered a lot of questions and it worked out well the other thing i did with kevin and we were the three of us were invited to meet with the energy committee and they and again i forwarded that information to the council about the becoming a net zero city and some examples of what work on that but you know i think a really excellent meeting and very helpful also training for the election tomorrow there are new screens that are really quite cool they're designed for people who have some disabilities such as auditory or i can't fill in the circle very well and  they can plug in tomorrow and you can sit by yourself and you can either put the headphones on and listen and have every option read to you and then you hit the screen with your finger and tell who you're voting for it reminds you like for the senatorial state senate race you can't vote for more than six so if you hit seven tells you you voted one too many or if you know any vote for five it tells you  want you can vote for one more and then at the end who check it and you press a button and it prints it out on the ballot and then you go over and insert the ballot in the machine so it's a very interesting and i think i don't know how many people who use it but you can do right in the whole whole process that i think is another example of this community and the state trying to make voting fair tomorrow and be completed by the twentieth so we anticipate that market street feel want to get into public travel on the twentieth of november which would be great now this isn't just paving to get something and again we're hoping for the twentieth it is possible that it would happen as early as the sixteenth done which donna was here donna tells me that there were twenty nine hundred two thousand nine hundred  owning byelaw and i will be sending that to you first thing in the morning and then of course in preparation for the public hearing on the eleven thirteen november thirteenth which will begin at six thirteen at five pm so for those who may have participated in the first one the next one eye is the level thirteen at five pm also we learned this week that the  elizabeth and i are going to take turns reading the resolution presents from both the school board and the city council really go on or beauty for the incredible work she's done we all  had lots of issues for both the school board and the council that have elicited strong differences of opinion i guess in the public but i think we've always looked to the other  editorial leadership as making sure that the real news the real facts were out there and really even handed ways of the public knows and could make decisions so ok so this is the joint resolution recognizing in honoring to the current whereas the members of the south bronx and city council and school board are celebrating the service to the residents of so burlington by judy care and whereas the community has benefited from judy service to the community through her work at the south burlington publication the other paper dan wewer as judy began working in advertising sales for the former owner of the publication in two thousand and remains steadfast in committed to the growth of the people paper when it's moved to its current location on the list and wrote in two thousand and four and where as judy became the third owner when she purchased publication in two thousand and eight and wholeheartedly committed her time and efforts to the growing community of south carolina and were as judy was recognized in twenty eleven for her service to the community as the receptive recipient of the  tuttle memorial will reward an whereas under her leadership the other paper has won awards from the vermont press association and the new england newspaper and press association and where is judy has had an abiding commitment to share the news responsibly and without sensationalism and where as she is made reporting and the city council school board and development review board and planning commission meetings that priority by budgeting for coverage and or attending judy's warm voice and her caring for each person in south burlington this shone through in the content of the paper and to her relationships with community members examples of this  her commitment to photo tributes of veterans and her focus on sharing the stories and photos of individual community members and her powerful anticipation each june to recognize a graduating high school a first generation college student with a scholarship for a new computer and software to begin his or her new journey and where as judy has transitioned to the director of advertising with the new owner of the other deepest appreciation for judi kearns his service and incredible dedication to the residents of the city week after week month  work that i found immensely gratifying on its own is just it's beyond expectations it's really overwhelming so thank you all i really appreciate it i first discovered south burlington with my children emily and kevin nearly thirty years ago and through the eyes of a young mother i discovered the magic that south burlington offered through schools and i fell in love with a community that warmly embraced us and offered so many opportunities throughout the city to be involved and to belong and to experience true community i feel so lucky to call it home and to have had the work the opportunity to do work that i care so deeply about when i took the helm of the paper from its george chamber when i had a simple mission connect the dots truly has been my mission for these ten years over the last decade it's going to true privilege to record the history of the city and its people and to shine a light on what connects us as a community we've had our share of controversy and heartache but that's been balanced by a good deal of accomplishment success and joy as well in the process of gathering the news and telling the city's stories i've had the opportunity to interact with so many people in the school and all of the school board members over a period of time have changed school district superintendent administrators staff teachers city managers the city the chief police the fire chief firefighters in the policemen the department heads and city staff city councillors and countless members of the interior committees all of the people that keep the city's engine chugging along and under the information no matter what i needed or when i needed it especially on deadline and what i learned along the way is that one of the biggest successes of this community is the dedication of so many people who all work hard toward a shared common goal for south burlington and i'm so honored to have had the experience of working with you all and i know that the new editor at the other paper will continue the same dedication to community journalism reporting on the endeavors of the city in the school district  local businesses and why it matters has been the foundation of my work but what i loved most was bringing neighbors into each other's lives every week and with individual stories of struggle and success and the kind acts and the good deeds of countless residents who have made our little corner of the world a better place connecting the dots for community that's been so important to me and of course while i'm the one sitting here at the table the work of bringing the news to the community could never have been accomplished without the dedication and i want to share the accolades with everyone of them they care so deeply about this community they share a passion for their work and their community to their commitment to the committee members of the community to put out a hometown newspaper that  informs us every week like you said they've been made colleagues and their true friends and i count myself so lucky to call all of you friends as well over the years  many many thanks to you for acknowledging me it means the world to me this is such a unique place to live and i'm honored to have been to part of it thank you so much hour and a half and so we're not planning to do a full book presentation night unless there are lots of questions people have i think we're doing a skinny down version and welcomes any are actually four ballot items that really relate to the proposed community center which is comprised of a live or a senior center and city hall and on the screen is picture beautiful meeting i would like to point out that this has been developed over quite a few years of discussion a minute goes back all the way for thirty years or forty years about wanting a city center and a new library but the last three years has been a rather intensive effort to bring the community together to talk about their needs their desires  number of different articulations of what a new library could look like and what would be included in it were presented a lot of feedback from the public talked about the cost and scale down some of our hopes and wishes and what you'll be voting on tomorrow is our best guess i guess our version of what we think is really an important critical piece to making this city center a vital place drawing in people so that it truly does become the center of our city where more people want to go dedicate their time volunteer time to a lot of different committees commissions and for the city to a really beautiful building the first and second floor are the library the senior centers on the first floor as well city offices are on the top floor really critical to being able to utilize the option on the land here and build this building because it really is built out to the edges of the property was a really important agreement with the school board that allows us this is a picture of the project site that allows us to have a land swap to enable us to include really critical and requires working some of the parking needs for the library in the city offices as well as putting in central school and then it also allows the school department to have the option to if the bond passes to potentially lease this building a current building or sitting in as new school offices administrative offices and then over time if they wish to actually purchase the building for really nominal fee give them some opportunity for utilizing instructional space in the middle school in the high school for instructional space and centralize all the administrat here next to the property actually is our square which i think some of you have seen the hive going up the wall and that's a senior housing project that this community supported with money alton a library board so what you see here is the first floor of the building it's the largest square footage of the floor of the building it's a little bit smaller as you go up and helen will have to talk about that a little bit if you look at the bottom where that vestibule the gray that will be the primary entrance you'll walk in you'll see kind of the opening hallway there very bright and you'll notice in the pictures in a second very area there you'd be welcome by the city clerk's office right there very welcoming spot and that's where the there that curves staircase go to the second floor if you continue to go to the right there is like what we're calling a living room space there still be nice comfortable couches and chairs and fireplace in there great place for our community members come together and talk to know each other catch up on the daily events as you go around the staircase and any of the side there's an early learning literacy room for toddlers and infants that's one of the few kind of a cordoned off area so that parents can feel comforted that they can let their children kind of crawl around and get to know the place as you come out of that space of them of the children space outside lots of stacks this is really the children's library space on the first floor lots of movable equipment so the librarian can kind of set up new spaces and lots of programming as you move back toward the back of that area there's an activity room and you'll see rooms like the activity room on all the floors again very flexible spaces with storage tables and chairs and other facilities in them so that we can set them up for one program tomorrow do something different in that space as you move more toward the left you'll see library office staff there so you that's where our staff will sit and have as their back offices in it some storage in the back and way over toward kevin there on the top is the auditorium that's one hundred c auditorium that we're planning on we're still doing we're doing some design work on that toward the last hours here and i don't think that's quite nailed down might be a race stage might not be depending on how much room we need for the ramp t we're hoping for retractable seating so that can have multi uses in that space so this is really great as you walk in the back of that the entries in the back as well so there's the parking you see where the parking is going to be you'll see that you can park at the back walk in th back you can be in the front when you come up on a bike or you walk up or you park on the street will be lots of places to park and entrance into the building kev is now showing you the front entrance the architect surrendering what that will look like you can see go back sworn for a second there kevin as you go down the hall you'll see artwork so i think we're in visioning they will have local artists there as well as you go toward the right where the gentleman had is where kevin was a second ago you're going to that living room space and you'll see the fireplace and the stairs going up again if you look toward the stairs you'll see it's very open and very area there are lots of windows in the building and you continue to go up and hear some of that or on the film the first floor of this is the children space where that representation of a tree kind of in the middle kind of a nice little artifact there lots of consul seating there's a little reading books in the back we can move around on the lower right hand side you'll see those kind of curves things that i don't  know recalling those but those can be moved around to incredible space for toddlers or for younger people to kind of call their own for a little while and then rearrange the space for something else and here's the rendering of the auditorium and you'll notice there can't really great but there's a raise ceiling here so will be a lot of space there and we'll show you what that looks like on the second floor in a second going to skip this one for a second and then go to the second floor to the second floor is entirely library those use you can see that staircase in the middle again and there is a lot there is an elevator just to the north of that and there's another elevator held talk about on the other side of the building that goes up all three floors this would only go to the first and second floors again in the front and the bottom of this picture kind of above where the opening was there's a terrace so you can kind of come out and sit on the terrace and read your book and catch up with some friends lots of stacks year you'll see various rooms throughout the whole space that we can use for multiple purposes large meeting room or carol just pointing to where the public can reserve that space for meetings it's the library board can have their meetings there anybody that reserves you can use it there's a digital lab up above that  spaces and some young people spaces we didn't really highlight on the first floor when i went through that so quickly but really as you kind of look at the whole space we have a children's space on the first floor of the infant room in the back there was a tweens room and i go see the teens room and meeting rooms so that people can come up and work together in or on their projects in the back there's a month of their multipurpose room and rest rooms in the back lots of flexibility did lots to some programming for our community and it's so we'll show a few more of the pictures kevin if you can we talk about that terrace that's right outside that staircase is the view of that so again the staircase is kind of opens the light moves the whole place you can sit outside here is that digital lab well lots of technology in here so that our youth can work on that are adults can work on that as well our seniors could potentially do projects in their glass wall so that we can see what's going on i mentioned the auditorium had a kind of a higher ceiling in the auditorium so this is the what the architects have designed for above that this is a raised reading room you can see they like this here case there with the look of books lots of comfortable seating the jhelum and up there on that wall it's a big white wall so that you can work out problems with dry race markers and solves problems kind of a cool little place of little bit different in the rest of the library so this is the third fourth we go back to the senior center so before i give it over to jennifer to talk to the senior center one of the things that i am really enjoying about this design and this collaboration between the city and our senior centers in our library is that we bring all of our key parts of our community together so new and new people come into our community have a place to go libraries are really that always public access information for all of our youth are all of our community i should say  we have our seniors and our youth in the same space by design lots of intergenerational opportunities here for them to work together to learn from each other we have our center for our government in the same space i could envision and i've said this to helen and without committing here in a couple  places that you know what if the city council periodic they had their meetings during the day and the school could have students come over and and participate in city council meetings for have mock city council meetings they can interact with their with our city government kevin and tom and see how things operate our seniors potentially could be more engaged with our youth in more engaged with their local government so there's lots of great opportunities here that really don't exist unless we move this forward so that being said we turn over jennifer for the seniors and thank you and if anyone is questions afterwards the flexibility and multi generational and interconnectivity of all of the the different ways that this people can come together in this specific so the senior center is going to be programmed by recreation and parks and if you go to the next sli e ok the center center is comprised of a large meeting room space seating for about ninety people for meals when the tables are set up right now we can hold senior lunches in this room once a week and we'll be able to offer that a lot more frequently in this space the tables can be removed so that we could have light kinds of exercise classes or dance classes or various kinds of things there'll be a nice sound system in that room in off to the left at the top is a senior living room and that holds about twelve to fifteen people that will have a flat screen t v so that i know that for me getting good programming is pretty darned expensive and not all of us on fixed incomes have the kind of money to buy those so we'll be able to program around having some good television good movies with discussion and so on that will also be a more intimate kind of meeting room for people the other part down below where the yes there is a catering kitchen and that will allow us to do more elaborate kinds of meal preparation the whole senior center space which is enclosed could be rented out to the public for events for various kinds of parties anniversary part you know birthday parties whatever it is that you like my friends tell me and i'm a senior that they want more of this they tend to go either to burlington or to shar lot for their senior programming they don't like to drive in the evening they don't like to drive in the winter and so they are very much looking forward to having this program space which will be for seniors from eight thirty in the morning until four o'clock in the afternoon and i think that for those of us who are retired and our families are grown and we have we're feeling pretty good most of the time and we want to be able to explore the kinds of things that we haven't been able to do when we were raising our families and you know full tilt into careers and so whatever people bring to this in the way of their own magination of what they want to explore we can try to make the programming happening for people the next slide shows i'm not sure where this this  schedule is from but it shows how packed ed calendar can be with programming just for senior center and recreation parks is very excited about this in the evenings and on weekends we can offer programming to other groups of people adults and and children so it's and it's good to have the programming space in the with the library and and city hall i think that's a really good good arrangement here thank you you thank as i mentioned earlier the fourth the fourth fourth the third floor is the smallest floor  by designed to give some interest and provide some terraces and also some potential green roofs each floor is a little different shape and  smaller and smaller so the top floor is for the city the city offices there's an elevator right there that is mentioned this is the only one that goes up to the third floor so when if and when there are evening meetings it's a separate elevator and the library can be closed and people are wandering around in there it has a large meeting room the rest of the office is open floor plan which the my understanding is the staff is very excited about there are a little kind of centers or groupings of employees but you can stand up and see and look around and see other other employees and that tends to provide the opportunity for a greater amount of collaboration while the same time you can meeting the public could use those as well as the larger meeting room and and certainly the staff the white square at the top is another terrace and that will allow for people using the meeting room the option to utilize the terrace in good weather or just allow people on the third floor to go outside and realized that the sun is shining in the breeze is this nice or it's snowing and you like snow designed for modest amount of a future growth so we're not going to be packed in there even though you see all those desks not every desk in the picture has the person behind it is this point at some point it might but it allows for the growth that we see as a community both in terms of enough space for additional books and library staff and you mentioned another piece of  very exciting to the council i think is that it's a very energy efficient and green designed building it's between a golden a platinum rating for so it's not net zero but it is as close as we can and that will help pay for the some of the energy that is utilized by the building it also provides i think an attractive architectural feature and some shading for  windows with natural light as well there's parking on the floor of the tile carpet so if you spill something on one of the squares you just rip up one square and then replace it with another one so you don't have to wait till it gets really got a good looking and replace the whole thing as i mentioned before the there there are some green roof some roofs that are green roof ready we didn't have the money at this point to install green roofs they tend to help with energy efficiency keeping the floor below warmer in the winter and cooler in the summer but they are green roof ready so if the time comes and we want to do that we can it will be served by transit and will be bicycle parking and there's geothermal and heating and cooling and another nice feature in the front of the building thanks to dave kaufman being so certain it was so effective the sidewalk in front will be heated so that it won't require shoveling or using salt so we're not tracking all that junk into the building your projects site will building is that yellow and then blue lines  show the approximate outline of the property once the agreement with the school for the land easement is adopted by the public and this shows how we will use that land agreement land with the school district the yellow piece is now whole swath is really the piece that we are swapping  with the school board and there's another little piece of to be the easiest way over that nice that will allow the garden street when it's built to have an appropriate turn on to guests but that yellow part will be where underneath will be utilities and the sewer and water treatment for those the parking lot and then the middle of the proposed building and this will be a forever street feloniously on it will have parking on both sides sidewalks and bike paths providing really improve safety bussing or working with them to design the new parking lot and it is really replacing the slots taken away with this land swap as well as a safer and better some other other source of tip to for money so looking at the high end shape the entire cost of the project is twenty one point eight million dollars the bond that we're asking for tomorrow twenty point four million so the difference of one point four million is money from impact fees the blanche and the solar array net metering credits so the two largest portion portions are the reserve fund but on proceeds seventy one percent we have a good past five or six years as a council we have set aside a chunk of money every year in our budget within the current tax structure right now we're really going to move on knowing that at some point we hope treat would be building a library a community center a senior center a new city offices and kind of like a college fund we knew was going to happen in the future so we started putting money away  and we anticipate continuing to put or identify seven hundred and thirty six or seven thousand dollars every year in to offset or pay for this structure and then the other twenty three percent comes from the tip district finances i think this is a pretty nice picture of what to district financing really means and in twenty twelve when we apply the first little green building there when we applied for the tiff status that was the year  granted and at that point they that was the baseline for the property tax value or the property value of city center i mean that to me of the tip district then that is how that works is when you build a new library or put in a new road i guess or you a private sector sector build something the property value increases because you put something on it in this case it was an empty empty land in other towns i think probably martin can better describe why the legislature created the tiff but i think it was really designed to help towns the head dead center and this was a way to revitalize downtowns in communities all over vermont we are looking to create a city center so we started with sort of a clean their slate that land had value but there was not much on it so the future property value is really these tax the tax increment and that's the blue sort of second story on the building and those those dollars are split between improvements and city and state funds so seventy five percent of those new taxes taxes on the digital value the cell phone and used to help pay for this public infrastructure twenty five percent continues to go to the city general fund in the state educational fund it's for a time limit the whole to fiza twenty year program but that is how the tax incremental financing program helps to incentivize and support communities to be able to afford some of the public structures in a downtown generated to support this and that will they will be collected or will be able to keep that differential for seventeen years the fifteen point four million dollars is the reserve fund and as i said that the current tax and budgeting of the city and will continue that in this case it will be seven hundred and thirty seven thousand dollars an combination plus the the other the impact fees the plan should fees will support to the project which is why we can say that there are no new taxes needed to support this project that is not to say we aren't already using taxes to support it but that we've been collecting them over the last six years so it doesn't require a tax increase to fund the tiff dollars the five billion dollars we believe is a pretty conservative number and it's based on what we know to be  yeah i'm sorry but the five million for this project is coming from what we envision as the development within the tiff the total amount that we anticipate generating through the tiff development public and private is twenty nine million now just this whole does just this area san remo drive is part of the tip this well so if there's anything developed there for improved upon that money that could be used for something else you look at top of our end shit is our square that they are moving into i think the grand opening  see the blue it is this community center project then down where it's a yellow garden street if you walk through there you can't drive through but if you walk through there's a big hol building a sixty unit affordable housing rental unit that the champlain housing trust fund is going to own and operate market and also five seventy five obviously with the success of all of the ballot items if that's happens then become vance of the land happens and then in exchange five seventy five become a system of a little space for the school district so i think what's important for people to know is that all articles need to have yes is on them yes we have two of those articles one of which is what you conveyed in the conveyance of land there's actually three convenience pieces there's this point seven and two point one two point one small little areas that are being conveyed if that happens and then there's the article two is the actual lease to enter into a three year lease  agreement with the option for two additional three year periods and then as you said earlier the option to purchase you know i think one of the most important aspects of the project from a school perspective aside from what you mentioned helen around permanent access around some of the cost of winds associated with storm water improvements and so forth are are really the flexibility that accessing this property in the context of master planning  visioning could have for the school district over a period of time where we're going to have a session on wednesday and we continue to move that process forward and this does provide flexibility to the  and i would say you know in addition to what you said about a parking lot in there is there some added improvements for us obviously with parking and bus traffic in and out of our bar as you said we currently don't own our entry so there's  improvements options there i think also for school district knowing who their neighbor will be in the city folks it's also  yeah this is the first article for the city is that we want to build all the community center first and and assume twenty point four million dollars and that article is that should we acquire the approval of me actually build the building and move into the building then this building city center would be available to the school district and article yeah and then there's two articles as david mentioned from the school side that talks about land swap and then the pond and that's a three hundred thousand dollar item one hundred percent of which will be funded by state and federal dollars for clean water but we need to put that out as a community that will not be impacting anyone tech anyone's taxes either so are there any questions or thoughts or comments from the public that looks alright i'd like to call back into session this rolling to city council meeting of november fifth and we'll continue with items seven appointment to the south burlington library board of trustees and as you know we don't normally do things out of session but given the well i hope will be a positive vote tomorrow and while we will be launching work on then new library and some significant fundraising a lot of work to get that really to happen there's an opening on the library board and i was approached to request that we take it up kind of out of time frame that we don't normally do and diane is interested in filling that slot i think we all know her from a variety of experiences with her as a school board member as well as just being a very active resident in the city and really a concerned resident and coming before us on a variety of issues in a really thoughtful wonderful way  would you like to release some of the great letter that pretty much outlined why you'd like to do this maybe you can just reiterate that briefly again and if anyone has questions for so the service and getting back to my community is something i really value and it's just kind of a part of who i am and most of my volunteer work really has been with the school district and following my kids first in their classrooms to being on the school board to different district initiatives and we're semi empty nesters now and i was really looking at you know how else i could be involved in our community and the i noticed that there was an opening on the library board and i wondered you know what does a trustee do what is what is their role and so what i read was that the role is to help the  community librarian fulfill the mission of the library which is the south burlington library strengthens our community through abundant opportunities to learn share and succeed and there are certain values that when i read the values i really believed that i could get behind and thought i could support this so inclusive of the respect helpfulness credibility fulfillment democracy and privacy those are the values that the board of trustees adopted and i feel like those are values that i hold and that i could support our community librarian and the rest of the trustees and our community i think that just as a family we've enjoyed many services in south burlington since we you know we moved here in one nine hundred ninety our first son was born in one thousand nine hundred ninety two we raise three boys here and are the most welcoming things that happened to us is that after each of our children was born the library dedicated a book to each of our children and i remember going with them to the library their book reading it together and it was just it was very special i remember also the intergenerational aspects of the library and how important that was my eldest son used to love this  giant atlas that was in the library and i remember him connecting with a citizen about that in hearing stories and and so i really find that that's an important aspect and when the library moved out of the high school i thought we really needed to be intentional to really keep those opportunities front and center because i think those connections are really important and the libraries are places where people come together where they might not otherwise have opportunities and i think that's really important for a city to have a place to be for people to belong and when the library had its grand opening at the mall and i heard that there were three hundred library cards i that that was amazing to me and i and i thought those were people that we had reached in the other location and i think we're just going to go from that to more and it's an exciting time and i'd like to be part of that and i professionally i work in an area where i'm involved in planning and organizing and court meeting and meeting and facilitating and trying to bring people together and identify points of consensus and we can't always have a chief consensus but we can make sure that people are heard when they have different perspectives and and i think the library has had you know some areas where people have come from different lenses and they have you things differently and and if i can help in any way is as a member of the board of trustees to support that process and and are you know the team of trustees and our community and you i i just would like to be part of that so that was your great great so the one thing i just want to be really transparent about that the evening meetings work really well i think it could be a struggle for me for meetings because i work full time but it seems that most of the commitments are in the evening so as you deliberate i just really want to make sure that you know that i know that i've seen you at every meeting we've discussed this library over the past year and a half if you recall so you have been really  and thank you so much for offering to do that ok item eight is review impossible action to select the preferred altered alternative for money brooke stream crossing  avenue as you may recall it failed in the spring of two thousand and seventeen and was subsequently closed we installed a temporary bridge and we opened it in the fall and then beginning middle of this year we got a gra so that we could look into different alternatives for a place in the failed culvert because that temporary bridge is temporary obviously can't be there forever so we have been working very closely with the town of williston we are collaborating because on our borders and of  and so we're good you tonight with that little bit of background just to turn it over to john to quickly go through some slides just to give you an idea of what we've considered and our recommendation for how we'd like to move forward with kind of engineering design sam yeah this is a this presentation was meant for a bit longer of a time from some do my best to really quickly through it we're going to high level and if you want to come back to anything and come back at the end for south burlington with the final report being scheduled for completion here in december and i want to point out here just that in in this we're really looking at a construction completion somewhere or at best like two years you know probably more like five years out so i want to keep the expectations of people who are hoping to get a new culvert in place and and you are the temporary bridge it's going to be a little bit before funding and design and permanent really can be completed  between at the bottom down and you guys might have heard about before but that's the important permit in with that we measured with the river management engineer from vermont at thirty two feet and the depth of the road to the stream bed is thirty feet which is pretty deep crossing and that comes a lot into play how much the cost of this and the impacts when we get further into design little bit here about the roadways a class two town highway a major collector for the federal highway system  posted speed limits of forty miles per hour for kimball and thirty four marshall of the bike compared facilities we have a sidewalk on the north side of kimball just west of the project location and just before the money we're crossing the same as that ten foot share path which runs along the south side on the south burlington side there was a two thousand and six shared use paths study and a two thousand and ten update which both pointing to this muddy brook crossing as a as a as a major  barrier for continuing the path into willist that we took this from the local concerns meaning and from meetings with tom the city and town of wilson to this is the abbreviated version there's a lengthier will now go in the report but replace the failing culvert and temporary bridge  roadway hoover a muddy brick with a permanent crossing structure that's first and foremost that's what we really need to cover we've got to get new out there provide solutions and treatments that will improve the water quality of money brooke minimize the resource impacts provide say facilities for all users including bicyclists and pedestrians across muddy brook from community drive to shun pryke the extent of the project limits and then improve the connectivity between existing and proposed bicycle facilities in wilson's front next slide ok this is just some fun stuff north past this ludden keep going through this fast but this is a fun one we can see it's like if you dropped a whole bunch of ping pong balls into the water and this is what it would look like and that helps show us where them where the flows are going and where we might have some areas of storage and increase actually a precast concrete arch this is the wall gets a little later i shouldn't say this early but it's for the preferred solution will span of thirty foot thirty three feet in a rise of eight feet the rises  underside of that arch next life quickly through the matrix here in our first alternative which we always have to look at the report is the no build alternative so that doesn't do anything that's not a viable option we have to replace sure and then we have a s alternative number two is the previous arch number three down the left hand side there the rigid frame would be a cast in place alternative number four is a multi plate arch which would be like a metal plate system and number five is a bridge which would be not a very sure we would have a deeper cut and we ruled that out pretty early in the project is that it's not really a cost effective solution nor is it something that the city or town wants to maintain long term so as you can see here the only they're really we closure so it became the preferred alternative for the design team as we move forward next road alternative number one is is without having a path  building out facilities on road facilities with five foot wide bike shoulders for for cyclists and pedestrians to use in honor of facility that one foot travel lane is that standard or is that  a little narrower than it is standard for a you know you can go you can go smaller on some routes but on a road like this with a forty mile an hour speed limit eleven feet is what are our highway team  hoops so this is just the plan view on that alternative the only i want to point out here is you can see on the left hand side there is a green a bright green line that's that north sidewalk that's to the west of the crossing it's really a sidewalk to nowhere and doesn't we don't want to promote people going down that we'd rather have them if they're going to be back on road or community drive so we show that as being removed and  this is the alternative number two for the road so this is a ten foot shared path we're continuing the shared use path that exists on kemble lap across the this crossing with a four foot buffer or green space in this case because it's really you're still fairly close in the room we feel you should have a vertical offset so a curve in place there to just provide that extra bit of protection what we did here is we maintain a limb put leins and four for childers because in the original meaning we did hear there's to be commuting cyclists that are still going to want to stay on roof with a four foot shoulder provides a and adequate facility for them stay on the road and be safe there as well that's the plan view again now on the bottom you can see that darker gray line which is the shared use paths continue across and we stop at the driveway on the other side for eventually hopefully a path that we continue to right so this is roadway alternative number three this is a ten foot path with a ten foot green space gives a bit more of a buffer between the shared use path and similar road section there and i'll come down to talk about the the preferred alternative which came out from the design team as well as from the wilson select board which is the bottom one hundred number three the ten foot green space so that has a for for childers the ten foot path that continues across that the benefits are provides the best deal with the user comfort so you're far enough away and you can you can do some more with that green space as well so now the green space provided some snow storage stormwater treatment you can also provide some utilities like you can put sheet off the roadway into the green space you can get the catch basin grates off the roadway which for those commuting cyclists is a big deal so it meets the purpose and need it's right away impacts are minimal for the path you know there's there right away actually bumps out on those plans it's when they built this culvert originally they they most of acquired some additional right away upstream and downstream so you have a bit more to play with in that area utility impacts we do have a couple of potential pull relocations we would need to sort out with during the preliminary and final design of this project and then for resource impacts there's potential tributary and what my impacts i will say because this one is the wide solution we are starting to get a little closer towards those resource impacts and with out of field survey we can identify where those slopes would exactly hit but they're going to be small it's going to be very minimal and there's potential to just to you could do a lot more structural work to try to reduce that down coming down to the last line of cost all of these costs that you see here include the structure in it which i showed costs for structure before this is the roadway and structure the whole project for construction only if you were to put in an additional cost for engineering services and management to finish the project to probably be another two hundred thousand so i think we've talked about it being a two million dollars project in total all of these as i said they have a full recruit closure and the utility impacts are relatively the same for each one of them with some light temporary utility relocations will next slide i think i'm almost done here and then we'll get to questions and how that's it again i was almost on so the goal of this meeting is to come away with a preferred alternative for the project to move forward with so hopefully as you can you can hear i think to date we tried to team in the town of wilson have identified that ten foot ten foot path with a ten foot green space which is road alternative number three any lighting on that rig i ask you because typically when there's bridges and things like that there's lighting from ancillary sources like a like a like a store or something like that or what you mentioned you know there's a business on the other side then you get these these crossings and there's no lights at itself you probably won't even notice you're going over across so from the road surface and lighting i think could be set money like a bridge recognize as a goal for for a bike impaired but from the surface it will probably look like the rest of the i was even referring for the vehicles i was referring to by combat just because you got a long section no no no no alternative lighting or just something to keep in mind what i just got something to keep in my room i mean who pays for this this is what eighty percent federal fifteen presumably the grant is eighty percent were sharing the remainder the cost will last in fifty fifty right now going forward we propose to do the same come split wilston but in that first slide you said we still have to go out and find the funding could have been eligible for that one but so in this case only qualifies for certain programs there are some there are easier like the town highway structures program or town i would paving programs they have lower caps no on their total amount so we've been timeframe around even once you get in they anticipate that when you go through their step by step process it will take a bit longer to get to final design one hundred dollars oh well that's that's pretty good deal i guess so i guess is it just it just always find it shocking that they were able to rebuild a bridge across lake champlain in two years flat from start to thank you thank you very much last i don't know it or so weeks we have paved in completed sixteen streets or subsections of streets throughout the city it started with the base of dorset street was our first project and since then we've been going nonstop as recently as saturday but we had some weather so and we have three sections three others remaining and we hope to have that done again weather permitting within the next week or two  at the conclusion of that we will have completed our paving contract which includes f y eighteen carry over into our f one one thousand paving program we will have spent roughly one point four million dollars line for those of you that go with the back way into culture served on airport parkway we've put shimko on airport parkway you have to finish that job and we're doing a small section of timberly so those are the three roads that are left again with airport parkway kind of being half done at this point you know tom will be happy to and we'll can i ask you on the spears street segment will we have bike before we showed up and repave campbell avenue i think as these guys were just saying in a previous presentation there was a lot more road space given to the vehicular only so you had what we consider today sub standard call them fog  fog lines and lines what we now call basically lames if you drive are repaved and restrict kimball avenue you'll notice that there are five foot bike lines five of bike lanes it's all done within the same spear street and he were in any of these projects whenever we have the opportunity we restrict the road to give as much space as possible eleven has become our default road with we'll consider going down to ten under certain circumstances we don't want to lot of trucks we don't want transit we don't want high speeds you know so will will squeeze as much as we can when it's safe and practical but again today's eleven foot lane not too long ago were thirteen fourteen fifteen feet wide was kind of the you'd have a fifteen foot wide lane in a one foot and you know so we're just repurpose in the same amount of space so spear chute will be as much room as we can get however the section of spears street of from overlook back towards west there wasn't enough room to put adequate facilities at each side of the road so working with the bicycle in plaster in committee we chose to give a lot more of that room on the west side of the road where there's kind of that people use it as a walking path so when faced with those types allan streets another example when faced with we don't offer room to do both what's the more practical side to provide a facility will make those choices and so that is and i only say that because there are a lot of bicyclists and people walk on i mean i think they're nuts because there's no place to walk and it's like it because there's a ditch it's just really expensive well you have  what we playing tomorrow is probably not going to happen because we're into speeding a lot of rain however tomorrow is the day we were planning on putting a base coat of pavement down on market street where we're working so it probably won't be tomorrow but that's kind of it's not seen by most folks for the marquee project used to move along if ever twentieth road would be kind of given back to the city just in time for the holiday season with a fresh coat of pavement on the majority of the road so that also has occurred to get a little bit out of sight out of mind for most folks but pretty soon it'll be back open with a nice road based on most of our plans for next spring are going to be somewhat contingent on how we come out of the budget cycle once there's in our view once there's a council approved budget at some point in january we're going to bitter paving contract for fiscal twenty we're not going to wait in until the voter approval in march we want to spend we're not going to spend any money until july one but by bidding it early it guarantees us lining up contractors early so we can kind of get going or early in the season so we're not playing this dance away in the year again next year so we'll just have to wait and see where  the budget discussions go we certainly have a number in mind it's been consistent with the years past however we want to continue the treatment we did at the base of dorset street we want to keep coming south to market and hope and maybe healthy living that's expensive work again we worked with john's group it's night work there's a lot more involved in paving that than there is like for example of an second or timber line so it's conceivable we could be looking at half of next year's paving budget trying to allocate  to a couple blocks of dorset street with the remainder being spread throughout the city as needs arise and we want to and again we're going to keep doing this until we get down the kennedy drive certainly up towards wilson road we have all that northbound traffic on a braking you know hitting hitting the brakes which caused a lot of the ruts that we filled in with the paving project and you know so you'll notice also kind of from the blue mall to healthy living we did some work with our own guys on the season grinding out those wheel ruts and repaving them it's not the smooth this but at least you don't kind of have that nice three or four inch depression in the wheelwright so in terms of what  plans for next you know next paving season f y twenty will be to bid out or paving contract probably in late january early february whatever the budget timeline is probably allocate roughly half of it to our continuation of dorset street we're up for it every year basically every other year we are awarded a class to pay the green if you recall we had that discussion about the rain the miscellaneous revenue within the highway budget was from a class two pa so we will we would hope to seek some state money to help us dorset streets a class two highway so they will pay for any percent of that so if that happens then that you know i think the grant tops out at one hundred eighty thousand dollars know we got a class a taping at the year before but they basically tell communities is feel free to apply every year you're going to work every other year because we have to spread the money around so we don't we don't even we try to stay in the good side so we literally just folks are generally busier you're going to get more competitive pricing weather doesn't matter if it's a storm or a project or paving project if you can be building over the winter that's pretty much your ideal if you start getting later in the season folks are less hungry so will take on a project but only only in a certain number you know that they no longer just want to make two or three percent they want to make eleven percent of it but by combining and having a very large one point four million dollar paving contract we i believe it was somewhere in years past but this year our goal is to get get out there soon as we can bit and pave it as soon as of you know the allows you know that it's the complaints we get we're generally addressing you know so we had some points about in second we pay vincit when people you know so the complaints are very formal informative and they help us put together a paving program but nothing that we can't usually accommodate within a season or two so i would consider the complaints we get reasonable and consistent with the condition of our network in general we in general the roads out there are pretty good i was just curious will listen seems to have slower speed limits by ten miles an hour you know the marshal kimball you get over the bridge and all this and it's ten and then if you're  going on there's another place when you're going toward the big boxes and it goes when you say or state yet two way and it's forty degrees and forty miles an hour and self burlington then thirty  n i'm just curious why i mean is does the city just drive faster than the so go down i would say most of our speed limits probably are from when the roads were open and built in speed limits were we do not run around changing speed limits in fact in the state of vermont state statutes in the kit you need an engineering study to support a speed limit change so even if we collectively wanted to change kim bolt from forty to thirty there are formal steps we would have to take to do that why ours are higher than theirs in some locations when south burlington accepted you know so when plans go through the d or be process they come with the signage plan that includes speed limits and wrote you know now we're building kind of more neighborhoods and less kimble avenues you know so that's really not an issue i don't historically i can't really answer that question everyone has trouble keeping up it's writing in from on you know you're here there's not so there's not there's not enough work in vermont for there to be a lot of contractors so there's there's roughly there's two contractors in vermont that do it they they take all the state jobs they love doing those big interstate jobs they come and work will in fact culture work for the company out of massachusetts because they couldn't get anyone so it's we have county we bought a hydro cedar as a consortium there's y we bought one so i just mentioned the machine the state uses about a quarter million dollars we bought one that was a minute two glasses twenty five thousand dollars you know and so and you've seen some of that work like on you seen some of the work on patchen on speer market it's not of the quality that you want to be doing miles of long long line of work it has its utility and we use it on kind of more my own level but essentially it doesn't flow with the imperfections of the road and so as it bounces around the the line moves in this direction it gets narrow it gets fat depending upon where the head is relative so i mean it's a twenty five thousand or machine that has really good utility but for that's not an invitation for folks just to choose to ignore  someone dumps a mcdonald's cup out their window want to blows around it's generally a higher traffic areas the ones that have been pointed out to us by our friendly traveler for mines word happen to be along state rights of way will intervene if things get really egre ous like for example a few years ago the the grass mediums on shaaban road down by id x were like waist high so we went out and mowed it but frankly we have enough things to do without doing their work but if we see like a couple days ago on dorset street i don't fell out of a truck or someone there were just bags of garbage like kind of in a succession down the road so you know if we saw that on a state road we would pick  we don't do kind of litter patrol on state highways but if we see something like if it's a couch or just bags of garbage we don't care where it is or who says what we will pick it up when we whether it's  street sweeping efforts or our guys that mow the green the highly green spaces there he spent eight percent moaning twenty percent ten percent moving signs and ten percent picking up garbage you know so we did it's not a frontline our attention we would deal with it but we're not jen we're not as a rule of thumb hopping up into that kind of overgrown area picking out little individual pieces of garbage it's six five five thirty five forty whoever answers the phone it's the state of vermont district five maintenance office  or you know we we have good relationship to those folks so if there are specific things that people come across sometimes it might be dealt with quicker if it's come if we get in touch with our contacts so if you see something to feed please email away ok right in ten pub discussion and possible action related to the distribution of so social services funding tom are you going to talk about that or kevin i'm happy to just kind of give the intro so that's kind of glee this is the time a year that the council does the allocation of the social services funding and we're at a point that i think celine has heard from about eight organizations to just kind of acknowledge that they understand that the resources are more limited this year but questioning is there still a process that they can apply for and i think we we just want to craft a response to them as to what the the council's thinking is at this point we have fifteen thousand dollars total that that's in the budget for social services issue in comparison to i think forty third to this so you're going to be recommending fifteen k for social so that's what's in there now how and oh and why is it turned budget for f y nineteen and that's what these groups are are just requesting is that money available to them we may we think we are going to do a united way campaign this year for the employees totally voluntary if you wanted to use the social services money as a match for that that's not a bad idea at all how to do that and then as tom pointed out it gets distributed widely so we would give all of it to united way is that what you're saying so that's kind of a match the employees would give whatever they give and then we would match that with city funds and it would go to united way where you could so we're going to run a truly voluntary campaign no pressure but we're going to make the opportunity available so thinking so that we could actually take an action soon so that we can at least inform the organizations who are looking to build their budgets you know around what they may or may not get some some of them or are groups that your question david i think the united way had a broader scope a couple years ago and i know that they refocused their giving and they were quite a number of organizations in our community that no longer were getting united way funding because they were really focused on i can't remember what the three things were so it's not just a given that well these are the ten that we've always given to so united because last year david we did have accounts and then barb wanted to say something but we did have a council discussion with thinking that it might make more sense to give to fewer organizations but a larger chunk of money so they could actually do something rather than i mean we were giving like five hundred dollars to digitally impaired and i mean and i know that every little nickel helps in organizations but the conversation was can we be a little more purposeful or thoughtful about our our decision bar did you  ten organizations we're giving to next year but they could tell us who they're giving to this year i mean just as information about how many of them are are here really the next part that i just like to encourage you to think about and get probably a better discussion with all five counselors it would help us in just in terms of the guidance for the budget but the sheer so we're not dealing for this group and seven hundred fifty for that group that doesn't bother me i'm thinking more of the incentive trying to keep the incentive because for the united way funding for the  to yeah i mean have they have the employees say we want to give to a nonprofit organizations that do these kinds of things in in south burlington  a big difference you know for north i mean i don't know i guess you can look at organizations that have a budget under you know a certain amount want to see what their budgets are you know what kind of an impact on that organization n a small committee that would actually use your suggestion and look at the budget of the organization to get a sense of how much what kind of impact we can make which is not to say that the v n a doesn't need our money his thing you know for example or the howard which are two big agencies but they provide some  significant assistance to our residents that in spite of the big budget you know they really really lie on those contributions close i'm sorry let's have the motion to go into  also usually the chair doesn't but also in that way all any further discussion shall we drink to this one ok all in favor signify by saying i all right is there any other business to