a question for the commission vote on it because you are ready to meet that decision in order so you still need it generally a five member five votes in order to adopt this as a decision in order the actual i mean it's different because you've got different members but i mean at this point it's representative thank you idea i mean at this point i think i would request an executive session i don't think there's necessarily anything in open session today  errors that occurred and i just want to stress the abstains position on this case is that they are entitled to and should get a contested case hearing he my suggestion also with the corporation counsel about the nature of notice to be given for the continued hearing in that the most analogous provision of the commission's rules is is  rule twelve to a one fourteen i fly on continued hearings that provides that parties to the proceeding get written notice of required by state law and that a public notice should be published in the  newspaper the same newspaper as was originally that the original hearing was published in and so we've had those discussions now so i just wanted to reiterate that for you thank you i have no further unless let me just put on or turn this on first carey is our engineering division chief and what he'll be providing you information with his drainage reports in general and then we also have john smith who is the engineer for with our engineering division killed talk a little bit about storm water quality so all we got two different things that we're going to be talking about first of all is just storm water management regarding volume and then also talk about storm water distribute more at what was happening after the site that's were you know from our experiences with most of the most problems if there's a particular project it's got to be on your agenda yeah if you want to talk about the drainage regulations you know yeah that's fine if you've got a particular projects get asked on another agenda if it's within the commission's pre the project when they're developing from a grass or satellite to ask they come to your department and and the engineer has to show you his calculations to where they're going to retain whatever the difference so next i'm going to call up john smith from the engineering divisions and he'll talk a little bit about water quality our internet division reviews drainage reports kerry reviews a lot of them john has been working with our development services administration that actually administer the water quality rules that we have under the county of ali so going to turn it over to john john i wanted to also point is our go to person that it comes through water this applies to this third site it's over one acre but the detail for less than one acre still requires a plan that doesn't require the national and we can just go into the next slide so we talked a little bit about managing storm water and the reasons for managing the storm water in a political storm water runoff threatens water quality we know that if you look at that you look at that as a commission when you're reviewing projects you know they're preventing pollution from entering the water is more affordable than cleaning up the polluted water we all have dollars streamed so managing stormwater properly has community benefits requirements under the clean water act and i'll go into that into the next slide you know you see the letters and ph d s in a lot of the permits or the projects that you review and it stands for in the national pollutant discharge in the mid nation system it's actually authorized by the clean water act and it sets up the structure for the n p t permit program that the state minister's department of health care and wha requirements of the permit the permit that we applied for and what a lot of the applicants have with their projects it contains limits on what you can discharge but also has monitoring and reporting requirements as well and other provisions that ensure that whatever discharge coming from your property doesn't hurt any water quality or people's health so that's why the perm there it's to ensure that the water quality is such that it doesn't hurt people or just water quality in general so the next slide will show you that urbanized areas saw in two thousand and ten after the census what was done it was determined that the areas within the red dashed line are now considered an urban area according to the census that this entire area has more than we have more than fifty thousand people so federal government now says you guys are going to have this and this for status you have to apply for a permit in addition to that things first of all you need to develop a stormwater management program so that's what john kerry a lot of our staff with an engineering division and also in development services and have been doing within the past few months is developing that and there's several different elements that are required so first of all you need public education and outreach and also need people to participate in the program you need to get business owners to buy into it you know just regular people out in the community you need to also have different agencies involved too there's also a component for  and also for the county of mali for our our departments and we need to be good stewards and a program in place for good housekeeping and pollution  first one the first element public education in our reach the goal is to set up the public education or outreach program to educate our diverse group of people so we've got  looking at having to educate children senior business owners about what our program is like how we can achieve clean water clean runoff in our community so we're trying to providing information to the public about how people can get involved and how people can be good stewards we're doing a lot of outreach so we've done several presentations before different nonprofit groups  society of professional engineers was one organization we've done several before the council and we're also looking at doing more public service announcements public education outrage can be these types of templates or little challenges crossword puzzles making it fun you know public it public participation one of our goals is to engage a broad permit for the car wash and so you know how the church organization wants to a little fun these are now in several jurisdictions they're looking at permitting those types of activities so you can't just when have your your church carwash and where you have to go and apply for a permit i'm not saying that's something that we're considering right now but for some jurisdictions are looking into doing that because in order to come to that whole thing with community by him is going to be really key as we develop our program other public programs that we're looking into participating in this adopt a stream poster competition and storm drain markings on the mainland they have these little medallions that the place next to the storm drain in that thing you know clean water or the rain down the drain so those are things that we're looking at  taking surveys of the industrial area tracking illicit discharges connections bills looking at our existing ordinances and seeing all seeing if we need to update them to prohibit any illicit connection discharges item number for construction site and our control the goal is to reduce to the n e p polluted storm water runoff from construction site so when you have b this is where we will be working with our development services and ministrations staff and training them on how to identify  of drainage comes in so before you i passed around a packet and it's actually our application packet whenever john had mentioned earlier about our storm water quality applicant and ensuring that the their project complies with her stormwater quality rules and that's how any matches up with number five is making sure they're ready to reduce any polluted  we need to take a look at our existing operations to make sure that to ensure that we have a reduction in the amount and type of pollution that's called collected and that's four so you see identifying areas of improvement and for the most part the county did pretty well in terms of cleaning up making sure that any storm water entering into the drainage system is is the appropriate quality soul with that i think there is still room for improvement but those are things  that we are now constantly taking a look at how do our operations affect spore how do our operations affect storm water so things like litter pick up making sure that people pick up after themselves three more storm drain inspection having an asset management database of all of our drainage systems making sure that everything is in working order now we have short and long term goals there is a schedule that we've created and every every other week our team mates to develop to see how we're doing with for three years so within the three years we have a schedule of actions that need to take place and so we're working towards that we're making  development and the so i see a lot of positive things happening with our drainage program the way we review drainage but at this point i think we thought it was a good idea for us to explain to all of you in the planning commission as to how we approach training which we look at a lot city we look at volume but we also look at storm water quality so it doesn't just one of the things they came up with the a b c d e f g a b c d e five alternatives when the initially set out to do the project and then after hearing testimony and concerns from the public and from different agencies they came up with an alternative that that would encourage more charge so that i think i don't know if that application is coming before the commission for review but that's one of the ways that we you know the court is working on that issue that you bring up but again i as far as that that number i those channels being lower so they don't flow into the ocean and it may be wrong about that but that's my theory on that so with that being said i mean we kind of know where it all goes to move into those channels those concrete channels that are held in there if there's a way to filter that out before it gets you know i mean it seems to go out when he gets to the level where it can and i don't know if there's a process where we could you know know we started working on this maybe about two years ago and then prior to that that's when our storm water quality rules came into play i think it was in two thousand and twelve when our stock market all of the rules were adopted but we're really hopeful that you know we that we can move forward and not now we have some direction as to you know how we move forward when it comes to water quality you know it will be in the end they think we'll or you know as we move forward with the program we'll see a lot of positive changes we just hope that if we do get that ago we're going through their presentations and we kind of felt like you know i think we need to talk about our complete streets program so the way it's agenda put on the agenda has  as the how we review traffic reports but i think we also want to talk more about our complete streets policy show you the checklist that we're looking into using and and all the work that we do with respect to reviewing