evening and a cast of others who are beginning to shortly so the first community announcements happy halloween is a month early but how much town employees invite children to visit the town hall complex at four fifty five concord avlon monday  that we've talked about at a recent meeting of the town website where you'll be able to post issues you have with the streets we'll be going live tomorrow it is a very complicated u r l or else i would read it for you but it will be on the town websites front page will be tweeted out by the town that will enable residents who have concerns or issues with particular intersections crosswalks streets to be able to import it directly into through the towns website so we can get it directly and officially be one book one belmont  program starts today and runs for the month of october this year it is frankenstein as you may have heard and there's a whole calendar of events if you go in the library website and lastly thursday six pm don't want versus watertown playing field hockey a match of two undefeated top ten teams in belmont at harrah's field so you might want to show up for that we have comments from town i'm going to cry no two more real quick relate to the film high school building project so there's two community engagement events coming up that may be of interest to folks the first is on october fourth so this thursday at seven pm there is an energy summit their efforts to try to build an energy efficient high school and there are number of experts that will come in on a panel to talk about efforts toward zero net energy and then there is a community engagement forum on october the ten at six thirty  pm at trying to find i guess the high school auditorium which will be a q and a about the pending vote and will include tours of the existing high school if anyone's interested i mean as most part don't do it that you open up to comments from t residents on items not on the agenda tonight if you're here for an item on the agenda we will take you when we get to that item but if you're here for something that you want to comment on that is not on the agenda now's the chance to speak seeing none will close that portion of the meeting and go into our first item which is executive session to consider the purchase exchange lease or value of real property if the share declares that nope and meeting may have a detrimental effect on the negotiating position of the public body which the chair has so determined motion to go in executive session so on the conversation we've had i don't know about a month or so ago regarding finding ways for a senior tax relief in town and we had our previously adopted the change in creasing the senior tax work off and then this is the what was  larger question that we didn't feel comfortable any of us doing at the moment was talking about the senior tax deferral which allow seniors to put off taxes until they either sell the property or pass away and that the being at the interest rate was eight percent that might drive people off from using the programs they do is to drop it and we asked you the assessors to go off and come back because this would actually have to go to town meeting we're talking about since the special time meeting was coming up in november if we have have something in time for for property taxes that they don't have to pay until they pass away or sell the property and then unpaid amount would accrued interest that they would pay at the end with interest the question is if percent seen a lot of people said i understand it goes to the heirs and the kids because you know i clearly you're not paying it but i've talked to people and they've some seniors have said well the program is interesting but i don't want to burden my kids with that kind of interest rate i'd rather just pay it now even though it's hard for me to make the payment from a town treasurers perspective i am against moving this from eight to four percent your comment about the is receiving the benefits of the houseless bottom line that was one of the do the math let's say that between interest and everything it's twenty thousand dollars ok you get a house that's worth a million dollars you're not eligible until you're sixty five that's a lot of years you can live in a house before the value runs out that's number one number two the income limit is fifty eight thousand dollars fifty eight thousand so go back and discuss with your own parents i'd be willing to bet mother and father along collecting probably somewhere around thirty five forty just in social security benefits then this generation for the most part has a has a pension plan so that fifty eight five threshold is not that difficult to reach to make you  so that we need they would be eligible for this though right if they were over that amount if they're over they would not be yeah ok right well i mean the point the point of that would be to get the seniors to be able to stay it's not really about where the benefit ends up at the end of a good way if they've stayed and then they pass away or sell the benefit as happened the rest of us just the collecting of the money what i heard to say early has seen is don't want to do this because they don't want to burden kids with it's driven them off of the program that's right so let me give you a little story when i came in his job i got a list of all deferrals i sent notes out to a bunch of those children that i knew personally in the town it was fascinating how many of those children came to the table and paid off these deferrals when i came here with thirty one thirty two deferrals with down to thirteen so to be fed such a small number to reduce the collects the money absolutely thinks aleck we always say you know if everybody took advantage in half the town took advantage it could be a cash flow problem temporarily but you would always collect the money to intervene to enjoy it on e bay one of the interest of some amount the other point is the people are eligible they could come to the table but let's talk one more economics currently we have two hundred three thousand dollars of interest it's a crude so if you drop from eight to four percent there's one hundred thousand of that goes because i've heard from some seniors that well that's just too much interest i'm not going to ask for the same thing and so i think they're perhaps maybe misinformed that they don't really have to pay or maybe they do feel that eight percent accruing of whatever twenty years it's a safe that they're always both sixty five they're below the can threshold they could you know hopefully you don't live another twenty twenty five years that's a lot of interest that would accrue and and i know they're sitting on a million dollar home perhaps right but we don't know it would circumstance maybe to spend as a reverse mortgage on it right a lot of seniors to stay in town or get a reverse mortgages so there probably may not be much equity left in it anyway or not as much as a million as we might say  just think that it just provides a benefit to the seniors and those that are low income i don't know that this let income level you know it's for really low i would i would imagine that if they're at this income level yes they homes so i would think that some of them are if they're at this income level they may be taking reverse mortgages right because i think that's very popular with a lot of seniors and therefore sort of them pain that i don't know i mean for me  program more attractive and if the interest rate being at eight percent is making it's that people who would qualify don't want to join in dropping it before makes them join in the more people join in the program it's not about the people in the program getting more benefit it's about the people that we could get into the program who have stayed out because they're spooked by the interest rate that's the goal i mean i don't think it's going to be because the numbers you've laid out as far as income eligibility i don't think it's going to be gangbusters because i don't think we could talk about dealing with the fifty eight thousand limit at another time but that is exit seems really low but i think clearly the thirteen people least who qualify i'm for there are probably more from people that i've spoken to who have said that they would that they did qualify and would seniors that need this to for all they have the opportunity that in a fair market rate i do wonder whether that four percent is too aggressive you know do we make it prime plus one percent do we somehow floated we're probably in a rising interest rate in market environment over the next couple years for generally i'm fine with the approach i think i would be taking something closer to five percent or but i guess we're quibbling about small numbers here i wouldn't want to be more more necessarily more attractive or in any way kind of costing the town money  one it's pretty it's a very simple article that's a complicated motion you just drop in their interest rate that's it's not you know twenty words but i have a question so the people that are currently deferred would they pay the eight percent of the they pay the four and a cambridge like boston like mad fit communities like belmont like concord it's a little different ballgame because it's all homeowner base of fairness in the family is the heirs get it it's not like the is live in the town of belmont he has might live down the cape and live in another community so it's the rest of the belmont taxpayers paying for this well they're paying interest so they're not really paying we're getting four and a half well five percent purity on that money so what you're saying is so let's take the twenty thousand so one hundred thousand of this goes also the benefit of the benefit doesn't necessarily just go to the heirs it does if they pass away if they ever sold the property and downsize of the air the the senior themselves would get the benefit right because it would they would be the one doing the sale it's not it's only goes to the heirs as a benefit if they pass away but then under any of the circumstances the senior still get the benefit of being able to stay in belmont not getting priced out this is this is a mental situation is that the they would get the benefit of that themselves it has not been my experience two things in my experience one is for the most part they pass on very few sell well to be honest it's a good thing that they get to stay in their house and not have to sell so i mean the fact they stay until they pass away is actually kind of the point plus you know i guess you could be machiavellian about it and some of it is like i say one of my neighbors says there's an older even passes and we'd say that you know we don't want to understand the additional look at this in a year's time to see who you know how much money you know the interest what we've lost in revenue perhaps and i agree with tom it's that twenty grand  thirteen because they signed up for a program under a certain set of parameters that were no challenging i think we could in fairness to keep them to the program they signed up for but going forward of what should be equal as it's not fair ok october again that's it so that i was thinking up to you know if it gets tell me what the official position is i think you probably should yeah we got we need to but they get to get bring it to town meeting you know and whether helpful for us and well if you know to the extent you can  suggest to recommend between seven in the morning and eight pm it is the state election so that means it finalizes all of the decisions that were made in the party's primaries before they'll be contended races from people who are in the party as well as people who are not in the party independent candidates are also on this election morning there are federal candidates state candidates statewide candidates and district candidates in addition there are four questions a lot of press has gone into a couple of them just so we're clear number one is the quote unquote nurses question number two is the can can't campaign contributions question which is a guideline or a suggestion to amend the constitution for political campaign contributions by corporations number three is to add gender identity as a prohibited ground for a discrimination and number four is the local that exclusion ballot question that's the question for is is or directly to what i would like people to know and i know that it has nothing to do directly with the signing of the warrant is that the red booklet that was sent out by the state to every household in the commonwealth does not include question for so we have lots of kind of press happening about that and people should know that they can register to vote for this particular election and qualify if they do it by october seventeenth at eight pm and we are open on that evening until eight pm all the hours on how to register to vote and how to do early voting will be appearing in the newspapers stand on our  and then of course the election itself from november sixth absentee voting if someone is going to be qualifying for absentee voting which there are only three reasons in the constitution to allow it one is you're out of belmont on election day two is that you have a religious vision for being at the polling place in lection day and three is a medical condition that prevents you from being at the point by selection day you can qualify right now and walk in down to the town clerk's office during office hours and vote in person absentee that it makes you feel as though you know you're an american so you we will we do have long hours scheduled for during the week as well as the kind of bracket and saturday we'll have ours on that saturday the twenty seventh of already if you want to just about done for yourself i am doug john former president of belmont religious council and organizer of belmont serves i guess  basically where we have volunteers go out and work on various projects including food drive some work on conservation lands cleanup around clay pond usually and some other projects some folks already dropping off bags and getting community service hours for the kids in school so yeah it's a good thing for parents to know this is a way to get a lot of hours all at one time and help and have fun doing it it's also great to your model behavior for the children going right seven fifty three and we're at the seven fifty item so we're moving along for the new traffic advisory committee charge for creation new committee to replace traffic advisory committee discussion and approval  with the chair and the vice chair of the traffic advisory committee this is just to set the table before we open up this came out of the forum we had on the traffic times i know we had the traffic advisory committee had that we attended which was about traffic safety in and pedestrian safety bike safety in belmont and one of the suggestions that came out of that which i thought was actually a really good one i think we all did was someone who was about what residue was a traffic engineer came up and said you know why do you have a transportation advice i mean a traffic advisory committee should be a transportation advisory committee looks at the multi modal really not just getting cars through town but pedestrians bikes and a whole lot of larger things that probably an excellent idea also the fact the transportation advisory committee keeps the same tack acronym so you can remember what it is and that it would be and they all yeah and so the question then was well i was thinking is do you do we take the existing traffic advisory committee and change its charge to add these or do we end the old committee and create a new trans to retain an advisory committee with this new charge ask for resumes get resumes an appointed a fresh we've done both we thought for the business committee we terminated the old comedian created a whole new business study committee which is now working for community path which is coming up later and tonight we are taking c p i i can see  plantation advisory committee for it's going to end because their job on pretty much is done and then create a whole new committee with a new charge the community path but a project committee which would actually build the thing and so there's a slightly different skill set for those i could go either way on it but for these i mean when you're adding these other things then it becomes a slightly different thing than what the traffic advisory committee was so the skill sets might be slightly different and if you look at the trend that this new transportation advisory committee charged that we had asked patrice to draft what she did that she's got a number of members seven members of two year terms and then you've got member of safe routes to schools would be on a d p w director designee a representative from creative album a representative from the police and then resident so you end up with a different mix of people which makes it hard to sort of glom this on to the listing committee because the p c it's tough to get to make them do triple duty at that point but if there was another group that you felt was somebody or some other like make way for one person's a traffic engineer or something like that there is going was thinking is maybe five of the five seven people you have the three non voting town folks you have then you've got what four five residents one resident safe routes to school number one resident supposed to have up to eleven members we've been running with nine and that shortage has really affected we're like you know eleven we we need more people to we need people people i'd like to see someone you were talking about safe schools someone that perhaps really is into pedestrian safety someone into bicycle safety you know as a specialty i think that we would probably be interested in putting people like that i'm here yeah i do feel that it's time to reorganize and maybe restructure totally in favor of that ok it's not because i hate none of this has anything to do with the good work you're doing it's just i think it came out of that forum that there were some really good ideas of the just had not occurred to us before and i think this is one of them that we can just do that would be to think a huge impact and really send the right message and make sure that we're looking at the pedestrians and bikes equally if not more than the cars bear in mind that with the high school you know high school being built to traffic issues that has brought up  our next big project we've done that to palaver road project we've done belmont center it we don't want to lose sight or let that fall behind well i would certainly hope that a number of you on the current committee would apply for the new one to have some but the other item too they changed was the length of term i think now it's three years now i put it to you know i think that's fine we can make sure that you know how to tips through you know i think there's going to be a lot of interest in this so what do we think about allocation to specific neighborhoods right i mean traffic is a unique experience in various different neighborhoods and do we need to make sure we have representation of you know one per precinct or one per we do we make sure that we do that so that everything from where we try that with a business study can remember how long it took us to amputate it because we have good people but they didn't fit he said i guess we don't want to overly constrain ourselves at the same time i do feel like this is one of those areas where kind of local knowledge is often work but we can certainly do that by taking the resumes in and making sure that we make that a consideration in choosing who we choose but we've had that before when you i think last time i were making the point this year larry so we really need someone final forget the neighborhood and no one in the neighborhood do we ever add kind of criteria for selection to these charters like i wonder what i agree it would be great to have folks to travel with traffic engineering experience or even plenty experience to be great to make sure we got diversity of folks from different neighborhoods do we add some  definitely look where they live in that sort of thing and map it out in my mind as to making sure we're trying to do it and i know the way boxed ourselves and the business study could you know worked out and it's working well and i'm glad we did it but it's that's a that's a temporary six month committee and b  it was really hard to fill slots because we'd really box the slot slots in a really tightly so it was hard to find people who fit all the criteria and it took a long time although we got adventurous and people submit their resumes and want to make it narrow enough so that it covers what you want to cover but not so narrow that you don't give the committee room to move right so you talk about child places around them i think media when we talk about it at some point here i know who are interested in the issue if they wanted to speak on the issue of creating this transportation advisory committee and sort of the issues we've been discussing when i talk about traffic in general we're talking about the charge to the committee and such but if you do please step up to the microphone just if you want all right transportation advisory committee i'm going to make the changes we just made members would be up to nine appointed by the board of selectmen for two year terms description would be the role of the transportation advisory committee is to evaluate and make recommendations to the of selectmen about the improvement of safety in the of the public ways in belmont for pedestrians bicycling and vehicle traffic responsibilities include but are not limited to the committees to review and make recommendations concerning aspects of specific issues that have an impact on overall pedestrian bicyclist and traffic management both that one would be traffic issues including parking and parking restrictions turn restrictions and traffic calming and safety techniques look in locations including  identification intersection configuration motor vehicle parking management regulatory and directional signs speeding of motor vehicles traffic configurations consistent with sound engineering principles bullet to review existing policies and recommend revised or new policies that will utilize the data resulting from town initiated studies and models both three bicycling issues including roadway bicycle use another bicycle access issues for pedestrians issues including all matters related for commuting general mobility and pleasure with an emphasis on safety and access five disc thus any and all impacts on annual appropriations for transportation related capital operating expenses six initiating analyze various studies to help determine pedestrian bicyclists and traffic management recommendations to the board of selectmen and finally participating continue to education efforts around transportation through training webinars and very said you know materials criteria for membership the project  appointed by the board of selectmen for a staggering two year terms and have been staggered to including the following members residents representatives of the belmont police department representatives of the office of community development d p w director design yourself please my name is marc persons and might i suggest that you add some wording to the effect of accessibility so for instance there are many areas where it's simple enough for someone who is young and healthy to commute by bicycle but it is you know very difficult for someone who is elderly or for a young child to commute by bicycle so i think a good approach is that if it's not safe for someone who's eight or eighty then it's not safe enough and has to be addressed and i think you are the bullet point the but the bicycling does mention other bicycle access issues ok and then as far as what you guys were discussing with members representing different areas of the town this might be an issue that has enough interest in it that you're that you might get residents of the town from a variety of areas also coming in and pointing out you know issues in their area and like you're saying earlier you have this new website this was the biggest issue i had where i was trying to point out a problem with an intersection near my house and i had to go through all of the staff on the belmont town website until i found someone with p e after their name and just write a blind e mail hoping that they were the you know so i think with this website if you guys publicize it well enough you might get quite a flood of information regarding people's opinions about what does work what which will allow people to input on the website issues they have with the intersection or the road or crosswalk or whatever so that it's easy for people to report these things that is easier for us to deal with them and that will be published again the u r l is a big jumbled thank you i'm going to read it but it's going to be on the front page of the website and twitter and such and you'll be able to see what other residents have put in for other locations so it'll pin put pinpoints pretty much all over town but this is our  y to do exactly what you're describing please and i pick your rich from all my street and i was just curious after you go through your reorganization process what will specifically change from what you've been doing before really just be the new influx of bodies from a wider variety of experiences just drop that is that is one thing the other part is the emphasis on the  policy the new transportation advisory committee would be that give recommendation you know we're looking at group even be involved in helping to prioritize things that come in through that policy of that if that traffic calming policy includes submissions of ideas regular i think it's all it's in there and all those things and again this is including but not limited to the committee could certain twice talked about you want to give them a direction so they know what they're doing but you don't want to him the means that they can't be creative and so i agree with you entirely  that the intent is for there to be involved in this it's always a bit of an art to draft these things but i think the trees did a pretty good job as you've heard this is there's been a lot of there been changes in this over the last year to get it to this point we've worked on it hi tammy cleese walnut street so thank you for putting this forward i think that residents are excited about this new committee what i still continue to be a little unclear about is how the work of the consultant specifically b s c group and be the information collected from the website and this new transportation advisory committee  all work together in addition to what's happening at the schools and so i feel like there should be some language in this charge that specifically spells out how this will be more  of a cohesive town wind effort to address the transportation issues so the question is how does this new traffic transportation advisory committee  how will they get information in if they will from the website and how will they interact with the studies that are happening in terms of the traffic study and the work that's happening from d h b with the complete streets through going live tomorrow you can be able to put you know i think that across street there should be a crosswalk you would go into the site you'd put that in as your suggestion and they need to pick up we're going to collect all that  that's going to go to b h p and we're going to kind of sit and and go through all those projects that's separate from the transportation advisory committee to its mission advisory committee is going to be the resource where we go when we have something to show you go do the internal work first so complete streets is a project traffic calming policy is a project b s c when when the community development director needs to utilize consultants to do some work that's a separate project and transportation advisory committees there is a resource to kind of vet those projects you know these we have a number of advisory committees in town you know whether it's on i t light board has an advisory committee and these are advisory to the board of selectmen way so basically that where the cohesion comes as it's all us is this we have these committees that come and do work because we don't meet all the time and so we have come in there we're not also experts in the field so we've experts on one thousand in the i t advisory committee who advise us on the functionally how will it be different it seems that when i look at other traffic well transportation safety committees there is a plan for transportation for the town and i don't think we have one i know we have reports where we've looked at parking management i know we have a sidewalk inventory i know we have a pavement inventory i'm probably missing a few i know that through the community past study they looked at pedestrian connectors to the path beyond the scope of the path itself there are lots of reports that as i look to our peer towns we see those are readily related to the transit my concern is that putting putting forward this new committee with good intentions but perhaps needs a little more peer analysis so i would like to hear from patrice garvin what she did to look at other towns perhaps or other charges and to know what the governance truly is of this newly formed committee i know we had operating procedures when i look at those operating procedures and hear you talking about this website  a process with complete streets complete streets with the technical assistance grants it's multi faceted and steps the first step is to grab a list of projects which is about thirty or so it could be up to a certain number you get a list of projects you have the first step of that was watching into a meeting and sitting down and thinking ok what are projects what i thought would be best is to get from the community it jumping off point where is it in the presence of finding the biggest issues and bringing into that first meeting a list of projects so that's that's the first phase of that it's not going to be just what gets on that website it's that plus everything else which we're going to be sorting through and i think that was the meeting i think the initial meeting that i had asked you to attend is that staff meaning level meaning that we start going through all those projects in regards to how i came up with the wording for this i did exactly what you had suggested i've looked at multiple towns their traffic advisory committee their pedestrian advisory committees their transportation abayas the committees throughout the state i looked at pieces that seem to apply to what the town is focusing on based on my experience and all the meetings that we've gone through and what i concluded was there was traffic issues but there's also pedestrian issues as bicycle issues this policy decisions there is how we go about initiating studies like the town wide study that came from a resident that was you know kind of frustrated with break now and what's going on over there so i researched all those types of communities and that's how i ended up drafting this so it would be encompassing of all the issues that belmont is currently looking at so i guess what would give precinct four if i can speak on behalf of precinct for some reassurances that our particular neighborhood is going to get its pedestrian needs met it's understanding the framework of of how these things are going to be evaluated right now it's really not clear how someone submit a claim a complaint necessarily understand complete streets website will go up but prior to this you know that the process has been a little bit opaque and no sure you know sense of those people who have served with every good intention but i have been here for for several years now and have put forward reports have helped seek out money and you know i'm just wondering how how these decisions are getting made for example i don't know how conquered in mill street has come forward given our policies around st repair as it stands so you know thinking based on our discussions we've had about pedestrians and then the pedestrian safety one of the things i saw about this particular committee charge was we've talked about walk boston and doing walkability studies and things like that what i felt was this committee would be the perfect place to have those discussions to figure out you know not just you and i having these discussions but a committee having the discussions of where the walkability studies could happen how we could go and seek that funding those are the things i was thinking of when when i was creating the charge i'll just add because there's been a lot of question about safer to schools and what is safe to schools there's a little i don't know if there's misinformation but not clear understanding about what that complete streets program towns have set up committees unique just for safe routes of schools they have approached it by betting it within the police department  some with the board of health however one wants to ensure that it's active in the town to date i have been probably the primary person to coordinate a collaborative effort different schools participate  at different levels burbank is probably the most outstanding school in terms of how they participate in terms of their range of programming but schools can so i've been helping initially in my doubt you did comprehensive analysis when i look at the peers i see not just one singular committee i see the charge of the traffic advisory committee as it stands now is fairly even handed when it comes pedestrian cyclists i don't i understand when it originated it was in response to the changes around route to i don't personally see anything inherently wrong with the charge i guess i don't really see it worsen necessarily by expanding it but i'm not convinced yet of of the governance and the evaluation practices associated with that committee and maybe that means there's more  committees related to it as i look to lexington they have a transportation advisory committee underneath their transportation safety group commission disability access bicycle advocacy groups a first a school there seems to be unique feeders into these and i hope that we're being comprehensive on those models because this is a really important decision to make thanks kate was a really good comments that they gave a consideration thank you katie so helpful anybody myself with sorry madam already precinct to tell you members so i know that you're talking about hopefully getting an array of people with these different backgrounds to sit for two years at a time but these are really complex  issues that we're talking about and so my question is you know what if something comes up and we are lacking somebody with that particular knowledge on the committee and so i guess i'm thinking about something as if it were a professional development opportunity for these individuals on a committee so if there is a question of something comes up that they they feel that they need outside help on is there ever an opportunity for that and it also goes beyond not to  do they have the charge to suggest professional development for those people who are out there and forcing a lot of this so you talked about having for instance the police chief there not as a voting member but there and i'm just wondering about would the committee be able to suggest professional development on these topics for people who are supposed to be out there enforcing or took the last the last bullet point being participate in continued education efforts around transportation through training webinars and various yes so my final comment as is on that point which keep brought up in what you just mentioned because we are a small town and many of these other cities are much greater and have subcommittee is that's really why i think it's so very important that this new transportation advisory committee be connected in some way to v h b two b a c group patrice you mentioned the one of the charge of this new committee the doing walkability audits and if b s e group is doing a transportation straffing study again i think that the more people and i would really strongly advocate for at least eleven because this is such a complex problem and the more  brainpower in terms of talking about this i think the better that it would be for the town of belmont and finally the point that you mentioned about continuing education i would encourage you to modify that to pedestrians access and transportation because transportation to so many people means cars i think in the context of what we were describing it's parking it's i'm sorry it's history and bicycling and tower traffic study as sort of the foundation a bunch of the policy work that we're doing from a traffic policy for traffic calming other policies so to kind of stitch these pieces together and then put in over the overarching framework around it that sort of represents more of a strategic transportation plan then i do think it's a fair point that a lot of this feels a little ad hoc and i think that's really good people making some good day to day decisions but you know providing some level of kind of a longer term plan might allow them do their job  more you know i think you're right and i think the bullet point to hear it allows this committee to review existing policies or recommend revised renew policies utilizing data my intent with that was to take this traffic of traffic plan and when we get this t please give it to this new committee to work on something very much turned into a five year plan and what we're trying to achieve they have within the wording here they have the ability to do that again i don't we don't want to be too constrained in the wording but they have the ability to do that in their visor to us so right exactly who may actually ask them to do that right it could be a charter that would that we specify yes i don't think that goes on there that goes in the chart but that is the but has been reactive mind throughout this process time though i think we're on the same page with that think i make one more comment briefly we have a lot of other items this is a it's a topic that's been a long time coming i just want to support the idea of a transportation plan the traffic  study going on right now is not a transportation plan just it is just a study on how vehicles move through it doesn't look at pedestrian accessibility you will find other towns have reports that look at how p trance moved through i would encourage you to not vote on this tonight if you do not have a governance and clear idea of how this newly formed committee is going to function i'm hearing a lot of dialogue about how much is enough what are their skills do they need to have them are there representing precincts there are many questions that give us a lot of concerns about the functioning of the committee as it's newly formed and so i would encourage i think that's a great idea tom i mean so we have the high school traffic working group and it seems like we're sort of over here doing that right as a line but what we want to do for the larger community we seem to indicate sits on a data does which seem to be expanding sort of our charge to other  streets how far do we go with this right and does it align with what we're trying to do throughout the rest of our community i think that's exactly what this committee needs to do i think it's a good thing creates right on point on that one that a transportation plan for the broader communities traffic is become so cute in town and now fortune we've had a tragic accident god forbid we have another one that we have to look at all of these issues this is a real big problem that we're faced with it's only going to get worse  ause committee is a really good central point for a lot of these disparate activities that are going to try to i didn't mean to say that that that the tower traffic plan is the transportation plan data it's a piece so i think we should form the committee to spin the other because i don't think we can have two i think it can feel i think i think we don't disband the other one until the new one i wasn't popular i mean if they're talking more i'm just talking in general that it i don't think we should have to we need one i think we can start with this i mean perhaps you know if it mission needs to expand over time and membership need to expand over time it can be somewhat a bit of it doesn't need to be set in stone i mean perhaps we do we had to charge you know to sort of you know maybe it's the policies that are in here and would you want to be more explicit or you existing policy recommend revise a i mean i would assume that any transportation plane becomes dated within a year or two right so it's kind of seems to me be you develop a plan in the last two to five year two to three five years but then you should continue revisit if you think change over time committee with the changes as noted in open when we should pick a yes on favor we need to pick a date by which applications for people who are interested would be due to give people a result we've been doing like two to four weeks to them applied to committees and larry did you will notify your member members of the tac you know exact right place tonight and that they can certainly apply as well it's and it's not a it's this is not meant to be punitive to the tack it's actually to expand what you're doing to even greater and bigger  more important things so it's this is a big opportunity i think i think and i hope so some of your members of not all will apply for this and we hope we get a very large binder of people we can choose from because that would be great great eighteenth at the town hall auditorium was very well attended and very lot of good ideas came out of the last one we got about one of those thirteen or so ideas we have whittled them down to one two three four five six the idea tonight is whether before the october eighteenth form we want to whittle this down further or not and if so what goes we don't have to whittle anything off but if you know the fewer to go to the form sometimes the better in the question we've been having them patrice and her staff look into is whether any of these are not feasible because if they're not feasible for the site the mission come off the list because otherwise there's no sense talking about them so i guess where are we on that so we've been digging in with the environmental or environmental engineer one of the things in regards to number of attention aster and whether or not this comes off for stays on the list is whether or not it's feasible to put their ground which is going to require  some type of study on that site to see we i received a quote to do some of that work to determine whether or not an error but i just would actually work on a site which was about eight hundred merged and used together solar and a bike and skate park i did speak to chris i think the question on the table is whether or not it's belmont light that you know putting the capital into a building or a developer comes and those change on the list yes ok someone doing some work to determine the potential production that's possible there i mean i want to start on this is that it might not amount to a whole it doesn't make a lot of yet some megawatt it's not really a lot you know if you're wondering how feasible it is to leave on a list as much as i love the idea this is not if you are one of room to make it worth the financial investment then what's the point yeah i mean when i talked to chris about this he had done something similar and conquered and further of developer we could went out because we get the new growth which is about forty grand for new growth but that's a one time it hit and then you have you know what they try to do in real estate tax yeah it's we've composting pieces i have no problem yeah so it's number one it would require some type of staffing so there's going to be a labor cost possible orders it's and it's also yeah  yet tommy just sort of just waiting for the after the post november sixth vote to make a decision in terms of the layout of the campus yet so i think the group you know what youth hockey i think is interested in any state that will work in ten or you know so they certainly don't want to cross that off i think i can speak for least vollmer who was in attendance and he said that the fact that this would be more expensive and take longer makes it you know less appealing i think is also some intrinsic elements of the high school site in its central location and its alignment with the programming that also happens on the campus that perhaps makes it more appealing so i think you know for a variety of reasons is probably the indications at the high school site might be a preferred preferred site i wouldn't remove it at this stage but i would say that there is probably a emerging preference i think the plan is that we can do an updated town meeting as to where we are in kind of the broader rink process this fall with the goal of actually moving to a are more clarity in our p process at the end of the year there were two threshold questions here on the hockey rink one was what was intriguing to me is that if you put  cheapest of the we were many that were in there you know well i mean i don't know this happens even if you use cap and leave it there and then decide what you want to do with i mean there could be an option you just leave it as an extension of the right metal hiking for so i mean claim to tweak that but still their one public precinct six if you read that list of five again please the five that would remain would be solar energy over digester by can skate park hockey rink and open space and we would be eliminating food leave composting a transfer are one question maybe two one is is there any staffing associated with the skate park proposal question well it would take money to probably put money into but i don't i'm not super familiar with them i know the one in lexington was to happen to visit the summer but it's near the recreation facilities at the hearing i did raises question because i do it's a sort of a destination spot out there i know rock meadow they've recently added porta potties which i honestly i maybe being paid for by the conservation commission perhaps i don't i don't know the funding of that but as you were solar technology is changing so that while you're talking about one megawatt now john that my understanding is very rapidly the panels are producing a lot more and so perhaps getting a projection from chris  roy about that and then it's you know i just would say as a countermeasure to the solar we have opted not to participate and reggie which is probably about the same cost that you're talking about and the revenue for you  i'm sorry i have to say one more question which is to consider each of these proposals in the context of a potential transportation plan since generate transportation demands depending on the uses for it that's so we will be going to the public at our forum october eighteenth here at town hall seven pm to discuss solar and digester bike and skate park hockey rink and open spaces post closure uses that should make the discussion a lot more focused during the next community path project committee discussion impossible appointment with this is along the lines of what we were talking about earlier with traffic this is a little different in that the community path implementation advisory committees job was to get to the root and do those things and they're while they're still working they're pretty much and i think rustling of the chairs said they're pretty much done with what they were trying to setting out to do and that i'm creating a new fishiest senior planner ex officio public safety representative and then representative from the school resident with experience in public construction projects the resident resident resident in this would be do apply for the c design construction firm report to town meeting on progress work with offices and contracts to be approved by the slight been work with selectman to determine next steps to design to construct phase two which is called street bridge to waverly square deliverable being recommended contract for selected design of construction for business like a building committee sort of thing which is the next phase we have a lot of applications which i think is excellent a new one and if you saw the roger waters came in today so that bonnie freed as well as already and ye interaction not that this committee has been diligent i believe in working with the superintendent in the school committee there has been a lot of the way they have liaise with them i thought this meant that we certainly want a representative  either the school administration which we could make it there not be an appointment but just in the next official there's a conflict in the first time so the for the past going could be go across school property is a conflict for them to be but here's the point of i don't think i would like to make is the school committee will appoint to appoint a resident which is fine but i don't understand what that accomplishes because the building committee can say i get it but you would point i'm making here is that i think it's it's so important and because a couple times i think there's been a little bit of i think these are great work but you know there's a little bit after the fact  but with all that's going on right now the last thing they probably want to spend time on perhaps or one of the last things is this but it's so important they have their point of view on this phase of the pastor and school  we just had an organizational meeting ok and it had been andrea and now it's me which i offered to take any longer this doesn't have to be you want to do well we already had an organizational meeting and and i volunteered to do that because i'm roger would we change so therefore but they're only with it for residence or do you want to make this a committee of five or that was the intent this is a building thirty to make it more death now because i think there's a lot of folks here i mean frankly from my point of view i transitioning but i did have one other note here is there not a component of the description that would be collaborate with state agencies to secure funding and they need season also with state or state legislature did late legislatures as well as to secure you know appropriate right away like it seems like there's an ok that's a that's a good point yeah i'd agree with i don't want to be too i don't want to make it so they can't operate  was speak to the charge we're not we're not going to get people sitting or talk telling us don't point this or that person but the people who want to hear from that want to speak to us about the charge we just described in the making we have the signatures that we have now we would appoint six the school committee would appoint one in that seven and then the there would be the ex officio members who are voting who are staff that we discuss anybody any of the candidates here tonight your name about his about his background if you would mind one of the i want to ask jeff is you know one of the issues that came up you know not to make a big deal to shove what are your thoughts about the president's yeah i mean you know it when i was working on you know we had a lot of you know we certainly dialogue extensively on those issues we you know the committee had several whole quite a long list of recommendations to  in kind of offer to the changing road residence included walls and fences and vegetation and sound walls and things like that so there was a lot of effort that we put in and i think a lot of that carried into the c p i a c committee as well and so yeah i mean just my own background i guess you know of i have worked on a lot of these projects in the past in other towns lived in arlington for a few years and worked on some projects there as a bicycle rider and a walker myself you know i see the real need for for having a community path in town and you know i've worked hard on pack and spent a lot have any thoughts to talk you know i mean i think i would i would be supportive of roy has expressed interest to you spread very thin but i do think you bring a good expertise to the project given what we do have to have one person who's got the engineering we've got  many do we have to actually we've got really not trying to think who else has engineering experience that so probably it's actually construction project experience so it doesn't have to be engineering per se so we find with rice when we have commercial and that i would never new and we can get the resumes and think about it further and get it would be helpful if he feels background based on your point in whether you know some of these folks have construction experience you know that we haven't got resumes and we also have construction experience and that's not stated that there's no one has come out and quorum but i mean i mean i find it funny i think tom makes a point to mean we don't have resumes from everyone so we're trying to wait for him to mourn you want to think about a little bit let's talk about a little bit i mean we have an active sepia committee this meeting we don't need this committee has shown this but to me once you decide in getting folks that you know have other friends i'm willing to wait on them if you want to do are we going to consider though the universe of applicants closed at this point yes i want to they haven't got to keep getting resumes it's not fair to the people i thought that  i agree what i'm missing here i thought there wasn't one individual that i don't see on here maybe is on here that expressed an interest that one mean just claimed here she forget who it was have been to present applied well whatever so we have a point of two to go we're meeting on the fifteenth we could see where we are at that point and went to school committee mean kate so you can tell them what we did and great tell them what we didn't see if they've got anybody that they want to appoint let patrice know everything we need to vote on the church but you need to be on the men ok well that's sure we could certainly take the one we appoint ours and if we have it in a way that we don't appoint you know you're certainly welcome with the resumes i know if you have anybody you know about and i think it also it's worth noting it doesn't necessarily have to be a resident this could be a employee of the schools as well there's a fine we're using these because it is designee so it could also be a member of the administration a school principal i think there be great actually to be a variety of i think having that sort of connection in that way might be better and having that connection to the administration although they're buried i understand that i think is as important let the school committee decide that they need to be creative they need to commit to act they gave you a response and you were able to buy two beers i think there were only eight ounce cups yet they were you went up to the place with the brewery was there and then when you had one beer they took a sharpie and made a mark on your bracelet so that you were after two years and then they had table entire agenda is pretty much devoted to high school i shouldn't be there so any one of you to go travelling back from minneapolis see you around town i can do it ok so i have to designate tom so he can vote on the work committee in my stead for that where they had an entire wall of all the different materials the planning board mostly there in the architect in the people for that gave the presentation i went to patrice and you are now and i was there franklin enjoy it over there and the planning board was mostly there are a lot of residents were there in town meeting members were there was a really it was really interesting to see the material touch them very impressive good and to get on the skin struction site which so i have a liaison so i should report yeah and so we are scheduled to come to this board on over fifteenth with some recommendations so we continue to push and try to make some progress on some traffic mitigation traffic coming issues as it relates to the new proposed new high comments these are perfect i have one excellent and i actually have a comment oh my god i have a comment almost made it almost so close on september the seventeenth last he should the regular committee can't recommend this it was i'd say the superintendent's recommendation they really hit the mark between too much information and not enough information it was just the right amount of information to get the gist of it without having a twenty page long minutes about there were great thank you so i move approved the march second two thousand and eighteen minutes