justice for all thank you as everyone knows we're doing a total review of all of our policies and tonight all of the two hundred policies are on for review  if you're listening to this at home you can go to the school board meetings and minutes website and look under the policy committee meeting for tonight and there's attachments for all of the policies that are under review for tonight and if we get through them all when we get through them all they'll be on first read at the next voting meeting one of the other policies that is on tonight is eight o five emergency preparedness and in connection with that mrs belcher would like to give us a little presentation of alice training that the district is starting to use i'm guessing as of now think you began training to begin with i have with me tonight officer jim stevens who is our s r o at the high school gym and mr lemon and i are the alice training team within the district so for the past several weeks where i hosts we've been going together and in training our staff and as that's our first part of the rollout so just to give you a little bit of background this is really just the next step for us and we've been really beefing up a lot of our safety and security efforts over the last few years so again we do have we have an s r o full time at the high school we have officer stanton who is at mcmurray elementary we also have other officers officers who do walk ins daily in all of our buildings so they have a entrances so nobody enters our school without first engaging a staff we have lockdown drills we have evacuation drills and we're constantly evaluating what we can do better and alice what we're going to talk about tonight is the next step and and so  this summer officer steven was trained in alice and he came back to the district and said this is something we really need to pursue and so as we went through our trainings that are available the allegheny intermediate unit in the at our intermediate in the here in washington county everybody was talking miles you'll probably see in the paper a lot of districts have adopted this in late january this year lesson and i went and we're trained so alice basically focuses on options that are available alert basically is that initial indication that's the person who sees something go down and screams yells gets on the loudspeaker and lets everybody know clearly you know we have a bad guy in the building or girl the yell for lockdown it's the same basically phone a same practices before only we're gone a little step further we're going to at one point we're going to decide to barricade ok that's the different part of the the lockdown the in form it's communication it's once we get unfortunately thanks to you guys we have a hundred new cameras come in and we're planning on having somebody in there that can give us real time events and actually taught the bad guy ok but that constant information helps everybody we're going to skip the c we're going to go to e because that's going to be one of our options ok before where we were just basically keeping him in a classroom tucked away so the back i couldn't see were no longer going to do that if we can get him out with the information we have we're going to get him out if not we'll go back to our lockdown a barricade if in fact we have it locked down barricaded in the bad guy tries to get in and actually does get in c is for a counter ok so this is grade level specific our k through seven right cater six k through six we're just teaching basically distraction noise and movement with our seven through twelve we add one and that's called swarming it is not fighting it is just that the bad guy is in your face you have an option to swarm this guy and incapacitate him or stop him from doing the damage is doing in most cases folks it's the schoolteachers who do this but at the high school we have fifteen year olds away two hundred fifty pounds ok so that's the only other option that counted but it's a last resort basically one of the basic tenets of alice is that these steps are not sequential these are options that are available to you and so the importance of the communication aspect of all of that is that you have the knowledge to determine what is best for you and so we throw that counter in there while it comes in the middle of the hours were we always teach it last because it is your last resort it's what you can do when evacuating is no longer an option or when locking down is no longer an option and so the primary goal of alice is to remove everybody from a dangerous situation whether that means evacuating or locking down it just means taking you away from that dangerous situation but the reality is that somebody is the first person to encounter that intruder and so they may not have the option to lockdown or to  so it's equipping them with the tactics that have been shown to given them the best chance for survival what is different about alice peters township is that for the first time we are going to be instructing our students in the past the students have not been involved at all in fact you know having two children in the district when i know they do drills when i come home in the evenings they'll say i sat in a corner today i followed with the teacher and that's excellent but alice takes it one step further and it  trains them on a frequent basis in a non threatening environment to know that they can run to know that they can help barricade and to know that they might be yelling distracting and doing those things we cannot stress enough that this is age appropriate and so we are working with our counselors and the really the experts who can determine what language should be used and how much information should be given to the students at the different levels so this week as part of our in service our counselors are working on that with us we've given them some training tools and some different resources that the people at alice have given and then they're going to be working through that over there to determine what what works best as we custodial staff and then putting together a plan so that this continues throughout the school year working on the training that will take place during the in service days prior to the start of the next school year that will be more of a hands on training similar to what we underwent whenever we were trained to be trainers that really helps our staff go through those those motions and really put that muscle memory in place so that they can they can act the way they would need to this week starting this week i'm going to be rolling this out to all of the parents so many of you probably saw the e mail that went out on friday to our parents to intrude and we've invited all of them to attend our p t a meeting so i'll be attending those meetings to share what's going on to answer any questions or concerns that they may have  from a parent when when our e mail went out on friday who happened to be a guest instructor in sandy hook on friday and just responded to say how grateful he was just on our staff has volunteered for their building level safety teams in record thank you this is belcher do you if a child would come home and discuss with a parent that you know we had this training today and i'm afraid would you recommend th parents call the counselor or the principal or the teacher or someone really really good because what we're doing is training everyone and so everyone will have that familiarity a lot of the instruction of the elementary level specially will be  s anyone else have any questions is there any questions or comments from the floor about are there any other questions we will move on to the agenda for this evening and we're going to do it a little bit differently this evening in the past i've called out sequentially each particular policy and just because of the number of policies on for this evening we've decided just to let anyone discuss any particular policy that they have or would like to discuss so it does not have to be  standpoint that i mean this is a tremendous amount of information and if we start bouncing around going to two twenty two and then back to two i feel like i'm going to get this stack of already i mean the point i'm making is if somebody has wanted two hundred and then just move down the line i mean is that not possible still doing it the same way you're asking it well i guess if anybody has them towards the beginning does anyone have anything on what number would you have a wealth of like that eight zero five zero you do have eight o five so that's the first one  five ok and the reason this is on mr merrill was at the last meeting when we had a voting meeting in this was on for first read you had asked for particular provision that the emergency preparedness plan b confidential and we included that and unbeknownst to me the next sentence in that same paragraph talked about communicating the plan with parents so it was diametrically opposite of what you  five from the floor on eight o five i'm sorry from the audience ok the audience i'm sorry ok anyone else near the beginning ok we'll take two hundred the third line in the third paragraph third law when the parents guardians reside in different school districts studio separation divorce or other reason this student and we have may attend school in the district of residence at the parent guardian with whom the student lives for a majority of the time and mrs bowman wants that  i don't think does anyone have any opposition to that because the only change would be if a court order would say different someone does anyone have enough any opposition to the word shall are there any other comments and are there any comments from the audience on two hundred ok anyone else  who may well exceed ten days cumulative by attending regional state and national comp and the eleventh days now claim to have a physician's excuse it's not a medical same thing would be in the case a and i would suggest that we simply expand that comment to include all sanctioned school  and if they are honest a sanctioned school activity they can it would just be considered a sanctioned school activity excuse so this would only be the case where the parent is excusing them from them for those ten days not if they're attending a school event or sport  not i or not understand that when i read policy it's not clear on the policy although i understand your point because i've seen that in my son's own power school report when you see attendance so i understand that's the way it happens but mrs bowman is right about this i don't think it's clear in that fashion or do you want to just put it at the end state wide or county wide for age f f a or combined for age f f a group or any other school sanction know of an instance where a child has been taken out by their parents for this so called educational enrichment trip or whatever you want to call it i like to call to disney world trip i just want to know what happens when that ten day is is exceeded  or even if it's not exceeded if it's just met a ten days i mean i understand there's those cases where that must happen i get that for the family's sake but i mean ten days is a lot of time to go to disney world well i think if you're talking about educational trips you would go to the educational trip which is on page four and in there it talks about getting the approval of the principal who can give approval of up to five days but if it's over five days in the superintendent has to approve and then me go back i know for a fact of two cases in particular where permission was not granted beforehand the student's family went on the trip they came back with this note afterward and i don't i didn't see the actual written documentation in terms of how it was noted but i know that nothing was necessarily said or done about and i'm i'm i'm not seeking anything to be done i'm just curious here we go again with having a policy that we have in place which i think is a good policy but when violations happen i want to know is there anything because i didn't see anything in the policy or educational trips either misunderstand that denoted what penalty would take place  if this is exceeded however you can see on the previous page which is why i brought it up that if it exceeds ten days a physician's note is required and so i think i don't i apologize i don't have a suggestion here i'm just wondering because i hear we  go and i just i find it to be chasing our tail when we have these type policies with no definitive way of handling you know violators i guess i can say i don't i can't speak to the violator but i do know of a personal instance where i know of an acquaintance who was denied a request to go on a trip because their child had missed a lot of days and was not doing well academically so that parent obviously has to make a choice whether they then go and they can certainly lie and say he or she was sick and then you would fall under you know this ten day or you  generate a lot of discussion about this very thing and when it comes comes back to what we discussed before we want to before and what happens if it happens afterwards but we don't want to do we have to have relationships with families and we don't want to penalize a child for something that a parent didn't do example not making up homework or these things so that the short answer is that we've taken on an individual basis if you can be lumped into the ten on excuse we we can do that if we believe  it was just an oversight the parents very apologetic and we don't let it happen in the future so we just it's case by case but what we don't ever want to do is penalize a child or risk a positive relationship with a family over their travel the bottom line is if we d this discussion i just want to point out from the standpoint that while a case by case basis is a probably how it should be handled i know that then you get into this issue of repeat offenders and not just repeat offenders but repeated situations the other point i want to make on page one in the red section and the third line regarding written permission in advance for a request of early dismissal or release from school it requires as it written written permission in advance from a parent or guardian that the issue that i have there is i know that that's the way we handle it especially if you have said doctor's appointment right or if you have something you know is scheduled you send that little note in which i think is fantastic whoever made that form was great but then this concept of if it's not and it's something that had to be immediately called upon by the parents it's still notes this written permission issue and i know that there's gives these court mandated things and all these other things to allow for release but i just i'm a little bit confused on if a parent shows up and wants to take their child out this week in advance written permission thing is just it's hanging me up of that paragraph no but that's my point it says very clearly that a telephone request for early dismissal release from a parent guardian is granted only in an extreme emergency or circumstances thank you because that's the line that got me and again my concern is that's a very broad statement and do we have to have emergency extreme emergency circumstances the parents calling to reach to withdraw their child for any reason my assumption is going to be that they have really isn't and this goes to the point of taking this educational trip if a parent decides to do that for whatever reason whether i agree or disagree doesn't matter if they choose to do that and i just don't necessarily think that having to add extreme emergency or circumstance there because of a parent's calling to get their child out they have a reason for that but there are extenuating cervix circumstances for this and i'm thinking about western area where i know a child that was i mean my question next is a child was missing would come in get registered then go out there and not show up and a divorce situation father showed up took the child away i mean it gets complicated so i think i can see where you have to have an extreme reasoning not just because you want to see a child i mean you know that's my question to say there are i don't know if it has to be extreme emergency maybe on foreseen or something because i know again with my experience it has been if i was able to get a doctor's appointment get that thing i've called that they do make me go in and write written excuse to get it but now the high school it just happened my site it just happened to my son this last week we were able to get a same thing we were able to get an appointment and i went to that call button hit the button she asked me what are you here spent she simply said i'll send him out and then of course we have and a note to return to my doctor's note to return but i would concur with your suggestion there and in the place of extreme certain extreme emergency you could put something like you know extenuating circumstances or something i just extreme emergency is not the only reason a parent would want to pull their child and if they don't have written permission ahead of time so we changed it to granted only in extenuating circumstances would k any other comments on two or four and any comments from the audience  hello raul friedel again i have a question about the same verbiage the way i read this any parent request early dismissal requires a written written permission in advance and is allowed only for reasonable cause as listen does that mean that if i want to take my kid out of school for some valid reason but it's not one of those four that i can't do it even if i give you a written note i'm not understanding this phrasing well i do think it's statutory as to what's an excused absence and what isn't is what i'm guessing i don't and so those items in the us title twenty two section eleven point two five are in i'm guessing the only excusable you know because if i just want to take out my child for whatever reason to for a mental health day or to go pers mashad being or something like that it would be an unexcused absence so these would be excused absences in that language below at the bottom of page one and the topic age two so you're saying then that if i want to take my kid out of school for any reason other than those four that i can't do it right there's eight pretty broad ok and then you also have the educational trip that god the that is actually statutory also that's another excused absence ok thank you and any other questions o other comments on to us six and is there or are there any comments from the audience for to us that ok anybody have anything close to a four to ten he might have anything but before two ten ok we'll go to two ten and ministration of medication or medical care the blue highlighted line that is there i just wonder why it is necessary i don't mean  be given at home obviously if a child has to have medication at school and there's various reasons for it i see that that sentence is absolutely it means nothing it has no bearing on the content and i would ask every move we just put it in because it was in the prior policy and i thought ok will encourage them to do it at home but will do it i don't have any opposition the primary reason for my historical perspective is that you get parents who have to do something nasty to their kids and they don't want to so they send it into school and try to get the nurse to do it i understand that i guess my point though is and i speak from one of my children who needs to take certain medications during the day it's not optional it's not and so to have that statement in there it just seems to be i don't want to say redundant but unnecessary i get your point and i i can foresee where that would be the case although inflicting pain on your own children that might be a therapeutic situation so i mean you know so saying is they they walk in the door and immediately have to go to the nurse's office to take the virus is that not a shock but in that case i think it can be demonstrated that it can be handled at home and it has nothing to do with that sentence it's a reality that well look if you can have this at home then the ministration should be speaking to the parents and we appreciate the fact that you send this to the school nurse but that medication can be given at home that shot that whatever and it doesn't need to be done in school could you please have that done at home that's different but to say that the more strongly recommends that medications be given at home i don't know i mean it even in the case where they did come in it doesn't hold any teeth so i don't see any problem with removing it because we could strongly recommend as much as we want that's my point because we can strongly recommend as much as  we have any opposition so striking as an administrator it can cause a lot of a lot of grief on the part of a school and a lot of confusion where if the morning medication is a struggle and parents opt to allow that just to say turn it over to the school that struggled and is in the school and we have children avoiding medication and we also children for example may need that medication prior to riding on the bus so we have  uncovered time the language in there just although we can't enforce it in a case where we're going to say we we're going to whatever it takes to make sure the child gets the medication whether we're going to fight with the parents over it but having it in their signals to them they can be taken at home let's do it at home  right but i understand what you're saying on not going to stand on the hill and fight for this i just pointed out my point to your comment though and i appreciate that feedback than what is done from the administration's perspective when we have the instances where the child is being medicated first thing when they walk in the building because mom and dad don't wonder at home there has to be a communication then with the family saying hey look i appreciate this something has to be done and i don't think legislating in a policy is where it needs to happen that's my point does not assume responsibility for any reaction that may occur following administration of medication sent from home nor can there be any responsibility assumed does not sense vision ok my concern in this one is where it says does not assume responsib for any reaction that may occur following administration medication what in the event that the a minister at the school district whoever is doing the administration and ministers the medication either wrong or if there's an order to the medication that needs to be  had one medication needs to be taken before another i think this concept of saying does not assume any responsibility for any reaction that may occur following administration of medication leaves out the instance and again i don't have proposed language to change it i guess i'm just more throwing it out there for to that fine ok any other comments on to ten and any comments from the audience ok so correct correct to eleven my next ones to fourteen anyone have anything before two fourteen ok hold the hold on for a second please to eleven that is not going to be offered to eleven is not recommended so if you disagree with that then you should talk about it well the only question that i had once again is you know the student athlete who in fact family does not have insurance in the past i remember when i went to school here they offered insurance policy that the family can get for very minimal cost so that is not going to be something that's available i think it's still available because it's we don't have a current policy to eleven right now and yet it is offered we spoke with the athletic director and there is a part in the on the form for the p r i a form that asks if you have health insurance and if nothing's in there they notify the parents that there is a policy that they can buy that is not expensive and mr geir says he does offer that but he's never had anybody take him up on on that offer but yes it will still continue to be offered him like next question is if he's had to offer it what does he feel in that blank there would very so who takes the responsibility of the of the physical injury to any athlete it would be the parent it would be the parent so you offer them the opportunity to do we get a note or something from them saying they actually declined well i don't think we actually get a no but every person who is in the sport does sign a waiver acknowledging the results of the sport and signs a waiver with respect to i think there's about this provision he says that there are have only been a few instances since he's been athletic director where somebody did not have health insurance and he's offered that and they you know and i don't think that there's any other form that i can recall in the t r a forms that talks about that now i don't know if he mails it i don't know what way in what way he communicates with this covered under any other policy that we have as far as some eight are or something saying that this has to be done or follow through on no it's just it's just a past practice when we spoke of brian he didn't recommend it wouldn't hurt to have a policy would have to change a lot but there are some other there's a lot of additional requirements in here about us notifying everybody and what not for just a small and that he believes he manages well at this time  never there i do recall that we have that one policy being properly insured but i'm guessing that can do with you know property insurance and that type of  know if you want accident insurance or whatever we have a policy available to you so now the signing at the end i guess you're signing it's part of a package so you can show that somebody has notice of it because they read and they do have parents have to sign off on it while i'm doing what i'm saying maybe the form can be adjusted with a declined and outside signature block on it just just for our own protection that they've been notified and that they knowledge that they have the opportunity but fail not to take advantage of it progress this is actually a comment that i think is very good that it's in the policy i'm not quite sure if everybody knows it's in this policy where it says both student parent guardian shall receive ample warnings of a pending grade of failure one that would adve took care of the situation but i don't i'm not sure if all teachers are following that if a child is getting a deal or any in a class it's i mean i agree i am i don't think bad bolding it aware of that and i am glad that it's in mrs gregg i go a step further and i appreciate you bringing this up i've always had a problem and i've brought this up in the past before we do not have human uniformity when it comes to this topic at all across the district there is no uniformity on this i also think there's a vague understanding of whether a written note in power school noting on an assignment or a grade constitutes parent communication which i disagree with i don't think that a notation in power school constitutes communication with  parents i think an e mail or phone call and we have this in another i distinctly remember because i asked have it put in and i think this is a good point because if a student especially at the high school level if a student has one or two assignments and this is a personal one no my son is doing fine in this class and is probably going to get an a but there was an assignment given the first week of class i was not notified and it was not put on power school that he had an f in there which was unturned in until last week we're in the eighth week of the quarter there's got to be some uniformity as to notifying parents because i've been all over him five weeks ago had i known it wasn't turned in and it was it shows up as an f not a graded f at the end of the quarter as a class grade but it's an assignment grade which certainly plays into his overall grade and thankfully i want to say positive for the teachers aspect they're letting him turn it in and getting you know credit for that but that's not the point the point is i was not notified or didn't have because i checked our school every principals hear it all the time because in p t a meetings i've been there many times where you know teachers aren't posting grades timely and whenever we discussed it amongst ourselves you know the principals talked about having at least that's what was discussed i wasn't in there with the principals that they do would like an a r a strong a arsenault that they can have something because right now they don't have anything we did add to a policy and i forget which have multiple classes in which you got a particular grave than the asterisk note is not algebraically accurate if i have three year long courses and one semester long course and i got a's in all of them you would not put a factor a point five in put a factor of three point five right so that where i am i get it i totally get it but the words that are there are not correct so you're saying that in  little a b c or the big a b c times point five when you plug it into the i think what they're saying is when you plug into that formula capital a b and c should be point got multiple courses is not going to work at least that's the way i looked at what that leads to it wasn't the point i was going to make but i'm glad you made it that leads to a problem that i have with the whole formula but i'm the let me preface my let me preface my statement let's put this guy no no no no let me preface my statement i am not going to ask for any revisions i'm  simply going to point out two things when the formula in and of itself and i'm not saying this necessarily about myself but when the formula in and of itself is confusing to the point that a parent can even understand it and you mathematicians in the  think that that comment is irrelevant but i'm telling you it's not then there's something wrong with the formula and number two miss is bowman is right about her comment in terms of the numerical part of this well i think they're saying too if you have  two additional honors criteria this is a battle that i have fought a number of times and with inconsistent outcomes when a child takes a course elsewhere if it is a college course it should be coming across as an a p class if it is not a college course it can come across i don't care about you know that it could be an honors class but if a child is taking a course at a college or a red recognized college course it should come across as an a p class not the comment i got when i raised this at the time from the guidance counselor in question was that if my child took basket weaving at a college it should not come across as an a p i understood the comment i don't care if it's not true that if it's taken at a college level it does not matter the content of the course it is an advanced course are you telling me that a freshman college course in pick a subject it doesn't matter is going to be less intense than a high school junior course of the same manner and i would argue absolutely not it's going to be heavier weighted in have more information i concur with and i would add i would argue that's not correct how is it possible that one or one of the largest can hear anybody i know the public can one of the largest programs of the university of pittsburgh has is remedial math for their freshman student so that's lay said i mean they they covered from the last time i heard like twenty sessions of remey to all math for freshman don't misunderstand the word more medio in a college level remedial class all that means is you're bringing a student up to a level that's needed a college that doesn't mean that it's less rigorous than a high school course or it doesn't mean that the information within that remedial course is less rigorous than a high school course i appreciate the point but don't misunderstand the fact that the word remedial is there as to minimize its content or its effort needed to get academic performance in a class no but remedial classes do have a course number below one hundred and they do not count on their college transcript so that happens to be an example of a situation where that wouldn't come through but the college doesn't consider it a college class either well that's my point but then i'm letting forward i mean about yeah i get that part i'm too much credit because right now it says to receive honors or advanced placement credit for a college course the student must receive written approval from the peters township high school principal prior to beginning the college course you have a problem with that because you think it should always be about whether they get honor and necessarily i think what it means is you can't just go out on your own and not tell the school that you're going to take that i don't have a problem of the advance approval ok my job i'm is we had six students taking massachusetts institute of technology or johns hopkins i forget which one linear algebra course two years ago and that course shows up on their transcript as an honors class it's a because i honestly if it if it were me because i don't think this says anything wouldn't they have the right to go through the complaint process and then go through the principal and then the superintendent if you have you know another policy love to your doctor friend why would they have to go through that process that's why i think there's a way to fix this mr bowman if you simply take out the honors portion of that sentence to receive advanced placement credit now you're dealing only and specifically with college courses taken outside the high school and by taking them they automatically have to be put in as a p courses subject to prior yeah i'm ok with all that but just strike the word honors and now there's no confusion as to where it falls into the c a c has all different kinds of classes that i would not equate to honors or advanced placement and i think if you get here you could have an a describing the fact that one hundred two hundred level classes get this with no wiggle room but with that fryer i just feel like there's too many classes at at at local you know community colleges or anything that ok now you could deal with that by putting four credit for dash credit in front of crowds because c c c does offer a whole bunch of non u let's be careful with bashing c c s you have t gentlemen sitting right here at this table who teach at c c c is not asking at all for it i know yes i know that there are a lot of jazz general interests  yes and they've just made some we went through some modifications today where they have to change some a p courses they didn't have two years ago and they now have because i love trends and what not is i think we need to do is probably a very thorough way are to capture the spirit of what you're saying is that clearly there are some college level courses that are incredibly rigorous and i demanding that deserve a similar wait and knowing house a stressed out our children get about weights and courses and planning what we want to make sure is that we're having equity and so i mean i have no problem looking at an a r because it should be quite clear if we look at the syllabus and look at what not  another option that we could use and i'm i don't that's necessarily have i understand the a p issue we could we could use a standard that's used in the commonwealth that says if a state school will accept it as transfer it's a college course so for example i'll give you a very concrete example josh a senior year he took statics materials from the university of north dakota penn state evaluated the university of north dakota curriculum and it and then they are i should say i want a concrete standard so i you know the kids who are doing exceptional things outside the our district don't get stiffed  the notation would be to develop the r s for that particular paragraph on page two so that we're ensuring that appropriate weight is given to rigorous are there any other comments you have some supper i spoke to mrs anderson about the some not going to make a big production about this but i feel compelled to bring it up so don't get too worked up mrs gregg about this i'm not going to ask for changes or revisions and the formula is known we do two quick things number one i think this whole i'll be very clear i'm not in favor of weighted averages for a lot of reasons and i also understand by not having them you penalize those who take the advanced courses in the same point that i'm going to point out i think there's a category of students who will take general education courses and get a in that and will achieve a four point zero in that and then in our graduation honors at that point we only allow honors for graduation to those who have basically taken honors courses or a p courses and then and summa cum laude they are only given to those students who are chief of those because if you look on page two it says very clearly that cool now day starts at four point zero so there's no way for you achieve unless you get a four point zero with regular coursework and i just i want to point this out i want to be known by the public because the one thing i will la whoever decided to put this together is when you look at the commencement speakers they reach down to as low as three point zero for consideration for that and all i want to be known and seen is there are a group of students out there that will likely achieve three point seven five to four point zero with never taking an honors course or an a p course who will not be allowed or recognized at graduation for their achievement and what bothers me is after every quarter mrs belcher puts out this highest honors high honors an honors for kids that perform to my knowledge and i could be wrong but i i know i'm not because my son falls in there it is not based on the weighted average it's based on the normal averages of four point zero and so i guess the question i'm asking is why is it that we will put out that chart of highest honors high honors and honors for students that achieve in a four point scale and yet in graduation we will only allow for cool not a man to pay for those who have a p and honors courses i think there's a complete inconsistency on our part number one with that and number two there is a portion of students that are being left out here and again i'm not proposing that we change the program i simply think it needs to be articulated because i think there's a group of students who work very hard and i think would be toted toe with the students that are getting the five point zero s in terms of their effort and their working ability and they're just not able to hit that five point zero or four point plus because of the type of classes they take and that's a little bit frustrating to me and i don't again i'm not trying to change the policy here but i do think that we are inconsistent how can we put forth that highest high honor more difficult to calculate because the waits as we've been told don't get added till the end i don't know if that is accurate or not but there are a lot of people who are  of the kids off so we're not looking at identities here and you look at the number of students who actually take a p courses and those that take gen ed and you know courses that are not weighted honors or a p and you see the vast majority i would propose that more than half do not you can look it up i'm making up i'm making a hypothesis here and shooting at them when i could be wrong but when you look at the number of students that get these honors and i'm just looking at last year's graduation alone they get these honors there is not as many people out there there's not as many people out there as the general population of students see i think it is because we want to whenever this was changed in life and even just missing the color of the course you know recently was two thousand and twelve that was one of the topics is that they wanted to make it harder at the top it was more stringent because there were too many people getting that top honor and they wanted to decrease that so there were there may be thirty and now there are sixteen or twenty five that was one of the things that there are a lot of people and if those numbers are accurate on a whole new to them but if they're accurate that is just even more reason for what i'm saying how can you take a student who's taking a non weighted courses like a p or honors and is getting a you know three point seven five or higher and tell them that their whole high school career they're not going to be recognized for honors or being achieving high honors at the high school level because they didn't take a p honors courses i find that to be absolutely offensive to those students i mean i just you can't convince me that because a student can do good in an honors course or an a p course that the value of education or the workload that it takes to get that grade for that student is any different if a student has the ability to do that i would like us one not seeking to change it i don't want to penalize those students who can achieve that but i do think that we're just totally ignoring that group of students that don't have the ability to do that and i think it's wrong and we're inconsistent our parents are getting stressed out i talk with them every day i day they want to achieve all the a p classes my child can i talk to a child child's cry and i want to talk to my parents they want me to do this i mean it's it's going around all of our our teachers to have to take a picture of every single child's work and it's just the grade book so if we said maintain electronic record the so this isn't tennis is simply the grade book we're asking teachers to french's point that i think an electric should not be in there i mean if i understand what you're saying you're saying in this the intention in this is to have teachers maintain a record of their grades of the student right then it should not say an electric because your point is just a record and i know one electronic age but as a teacher sometimes the good old fashioned just paper and you know you can excel i get the point here but electronic grade book and forcing you just can't use the old school here's my great book parents come in and look and look through here you see what you and just said the reference to section fifteen thirty two of the school code uses that term by saying that schools shall make and keep a proper record of the work in progress of each pupil and at the end of each term show include the grade a proficiency of each pupil so it is a term of art used from the statute and which finalizes in a grade of proficiency at the at the can we put in the word power school each district teacher shall prepare and maintain an electronic power school ok i get that we can change the policy as quickly as we change that my point here is that if that's the intent right to as our current program exists we use power school then they can't keep a excel spreadsheet on their computer which is the same electronic record of a student's progress because you just identify that it's for also the parent and the student to know where they stand in that course which is what we use power school for so if currently our electronic record keeping method is power school i think we need to articulate the work that the software power school in this policy so if we said including the final grade com in the districts  great student information system that would be broad enough to not have to change with me but i don't i don't want to tear i want to wait before yes yes i ok any comments from the audience ok anything i have something for to seventeen because ministration wanted to talk about the perfect posed  if there's no disagreement that we even need to talk about it then i don't think that there's a disagreement if i'm not hearing any i think that the administration just wanted to make it clear to everybody that it was really a change in what could qualify because right now in ninth grade every child has to take information technology and this they wanted to ensure that you knew that they're proposing to change that correct  further question would be do we even have to signal that a child would take a technology course as a graduation requirement technology is so embedded in the delivery of education it's these were important back when we didn't have technology and we want to force children to using certain means but it's it's just such a tacit part of the educational experience do we really do we really need to call it as a graduation requirement  think well that would change the whole graduation requirement which we went through last year yes and so that so that would that's what i would love to have happen so as a step down to that what we wanted to do is just expand instead of this being this one course at one point in time that can really jam up children's schedules i'm not a fan of requirements it limits children's ability to pursue other options and explore the this is a nice compromise but we just expand th definition and the one conversation i had when we got to gather on the agenda meeting was that currently that class instructs students on all like the microsoft office products like learning how to do power points in excel spreadsheets and words and different things like that and i said personally i think that's really important and beneficial for our students to understand how to work those types of documents but i was told that that particular instruction is being pushed down in the eighth grade am i correct in that only in the eighth grade so that they will know because i do think it's important for kids to be able to use not necessarily those particular programs but types of programs if you know a power point you're going to be able to know keno which is the mac version numbers versus  you're going to but if you're familiar with one of them to help you in any other so and the other question i have now which i guess i didn't talk about much in the agenda meeting was that how would this affect current scheduling because i'm assuming that every current eighth grader has already scheduled for information technology class for next year we would have to put th time or point where the class of this class the current class coming out tonight graded the ship has sailed so we would have to change this so that we would have a class of twenty seventeen and beyond so really we wouldn't have to change this until next year right and then you might know better as to how what courses maybe so maybe keep it as it is for little some time before scheduling occurs next year well dr french is it your intention and i actually support this if it is even if it's not to move that half credit technology course into the elective area and bring it to eight and i would concur i think that really makes a difference in terms of allowing students to have choice i know this isn't the committee to do this that but i guess i'd ask what when and where would we go about doing technology programming up to a level where we believe that children have an access certain skills and we offer it then it would be a great requirement so it's going to be this pressure between us looking at our stem initiatives and technology offerings and then weighing it once they're completely revised what is the benefit of having it as a requirement but i think your point's well taken i mean my at my middle son's in third grade and he's already using things in the classroom in terms of software programs that i was never exposed to by far let alone at third grade and so yeah if it is i think it should be considered but what i'm hearing what i hear though is that it's not going to change for next year's incoming freshman so part of beings that it might be better just to leave it as it is now take out any proposed change so that when you do make a change it conforms with what the  teachers and and you can see did they really get everything an eighth grade curriculum do you need anything would you agree with that so that we can know what it all is if you and yes bring it back and have a big another discussion about it is that work yeah i don't think we should take it out we've been working really closely with the stem teachers specifically on friday and to take it out as a graduation requirement if it so you would see a value what they're  doing so you would say though that take out all of that change and put it back to what it was before is what or add starting with whatever class but then you would have to change a lot more in the policy because you'd have to add change for next year students so why not change it next year because we're doing policy now we don't want to i would also ask if we could please not put in or be more specific about and that's why i think there's so much like i would like to look at all of these classes and see where and that's why i'm trying to say let's keep it as it is what course would be appropriate but then on page three ok page three right above section four an requirements at the option of the family if the fan the the kids who are taking ninth grade biology in seventh or eighth grade are going to be taking four years of science at the high school unless their child determines that they want to graduate year early in which case they may want to reach down and pick up that middle school class but it should not be automatic it should be at the discretion of the family in my vigorously stated opinion is there a cut off that they can reach back and grab that they have to do that within their freshman or sophomore year any time the in time for graduate because they may not decide until the middle of their sophomore year that they want to graduate here i'm just asking the question i is there a deadline for them to make that decision i would just disagree just because i think if they take it out there they're very in the class they've chosen to take the class they've indicated their desire to take the class and they're in with other students don't have the option of whether accounts for graduation like for for the high school and i understand that but you're also looking at children who are as young as twelve taking high school classes that if they get to be in that class it can throw them off their entire high school career well if they don't think that the parents and the teachers have to consider whenever they put them in the high school they were looking for the best of two worlds her i mean if they take the class they should be given so that we can't yes i mean i like the way it stated if a parent wants to or we have got you know those of us that have been on the board a long time understand that we've cut parents out there that we have to we have to really we're here for the students the student takes a class in the high school i think it has to be part of his high school c believe that the the student slash family should have the discretion to say the course that my child took in seventh grade when he was twelve does or does not count toward his graduation requirements if i'm going to graduate early then i may want to reach back up so i have my four sciences right but if i'm taking it in seventh grade i'm taking four sciences high school and i need that my graduation no i concur i think you're right about that the only thing i would say is when it comes to seventh or eighth graders taking high school courses i've been a party to a number of young people in my current geisha who have been skilled enough to be able to do this and in every case those children have been proficiency at what they've done meaning so when they go on a st seventh or eighth grade and take a high school course it has provided them with the option to take a different course at high school or to take a or graduate early so i do think as a family choice i do think it is it is a choice that should be made by them the only thing i don't necessarily agree with if i'm hearing you correctly is their ability to choose and here's why because look it either is going to be or it's not going to be i'm supportive of doing it but i don't think the family should have the choice to say i'm going to let it go or not let it go if a seventh or eighth grade is going to take a high school level course if specially if it's a course in it's advanced that should be stuck in there as it is what it is they can choose to take another in a different place or a different category but are you saying to just limit them from taking four sciences if they take a science and grade is that what your point is so they take an eighth grade science you're saying well i'm saying really they're uptake in ninth grade by an eighth grade by zero is their eighth grade science ok and they are not they're going to take force those students are going to take four science use it they've already have it on there so there really doesn't matter i mean if somebody is two years ahead in math or science or art with a guy actually can only be i think one your head in science but maybe i'm wrong but if they're that advanced you know they're going to have so many mouths they're going to get up into the linear algebra and a college ina versity is going to look at that and say oh boy you know you took every science that they had you take  every math i mean i think if they take it at the high school they should have to take take the grade i get out voted i get out that is the whole i'm going to raise it and we talked a ok ok so the idea would be do we want to leave it as is as a e i can't speak for the past practice and i would want to see what has been done that has and i clearly don't know to your child now that you understand the progress you know i get it you know i write but still the point though is that the family still it's a choice the family is going to have to make and it's a risk reward situation the risk is obviously if they get a bad grade it has implications the reward is the same and i think for us to have to legislate whether or not we mitigate that risk if i'm understanding it that's not the board's responsibility to mitigate risk for a student who's advanced and just just historically speaking used to be if you were added danced and matthew automatically had your head you automatically had the ability to take the bio class and i don't know if it was in response to maybe some kids doing poorly in bio because bio is tough as an eighth grader to take  now they have instituted the middle school they give you some type of pretest and you have to score a certain amount on the pretest in order to qualify to take biology so it may have been the district or conduct should be the four including online activity can you say that one more time on page three number two item number three or conduct should be in front of including online office including online activity should mind any other comment ok anything beyond two eighteen ok and this is just a question i am not trying to solicit debate or discussion on this but on the back page or staff members and students observing or otherwise becoming aware of weapons i understand that this policy only speaks toward students and i know when other school districts and i'll speak specifically for the one state i know this is happening in texas  this policy is void that i read of its application to teachers there is one coming next next month ok then i'll save my comment for that i have a comment for one ok in the definition of weapon  that's ok we're into eighteen point one under the definition of web and would you want to say after bodily injury including a weapon or what and any other tool instrument it's there but to your point it doesn't fit anywhere which is why you're asking me having moved to the end it has no bearing on safety whatsoever i'm sorry yes no well it has really stuck and say well it does an impression but it does not have in terms of physical safety in a rapid look up ok it can also trigger a violent response i agree with both of those things all i'm saying is it does not coequal the damage can be done by a weapon oh i agree with you can do harm i t can cause havoc it can cause a lot of things but this section on what i term of a weapon is a replica is not a weapon it's not i think it's and means i think  recognise that there may be weapons on premises associated with use that i saw i was reading very fast do they bring their like apple to school and yes they do ye is distinguish between things that are inherently a weapon and things that can be used as a weapon and those are two two different two different things and so will end inherently as a weapon that's why you're saying the these are all inherently as  lee weapon so if you use a tool as a weapon it's a it is a weapon because a fork in a spoon can be used as a weapon and so what they're trying to doesn't do things that are inherently weapons you don't get any you know if you don't even use it as a weapon you don't you don't get any leniency on that this is it's k any other comments yes if you approach the podium you know we were just talking about that same point does the policy need to give all these examples could the policy not simply say anything designed as a weapon or used as a weapon and then cover everything because there are power tools in shop class there are drawing comes as if sharp points on them those meet this definition and yet they seem to be allowed so listing all these specifics doesn't really seem to accomplish reasonable purpose you know and to his point i've been a party to a situation with one of my members where that actually happened in a shop class and you know that's a very good point that i just tools i'm sorry i mean you know going on but i think torie can i just say the statutory definition of weapon is shell include but not be limited to any knife cutting instrument cutting to nine chalk although it looks like none cut to firearm shotgun rifle and any other tool instrument or implement capable of inflicting seriously serious bodily injury so we did add the ma pepper spray but everything else is the statutory definition of weapon and i get that the problem is that that definition includes plastic knives it is a cutting tool and therefore according to this definition it is a weapon regardless of how it is used that may be the statutory definition but i would say that's a problem with the statutory definition and therefore i don't think we should be using it but i think that no matter if you changed your definition you can't you can't it  does nothing because the statute any any cut conflict between the policy and the statute the statute lands so does that mean that we're now going to not allow plastic knives because they meet the definition  that can be used as a weapon but it is a cutting tool and we have other cutting tools like saws and that's where this is a cutting tool that has to be used as a weapon and so it's a thing between what's inherently a weapon or a tool or utensil that used as a weapon that i get but this verbiage doesn't say that i tend to not i tend to if if it's statutory no matter what you change it as if you're to still look to the statute for the weapon and i understand and it's the whole thing of interpretation you know how are they going to implement this policy they're going to look how it's used if the plastic knife is used as a weapon they could say it's a weapon if they're cutting their cafeteria food it's not a weapon that i understand but it doesn't change the fact that with this definition statutory or otherwise if we employ this definition scissors are now a weapon even if they used to cut paper because they are a cutting tool and that's what this says it says it's any weapon includes any cutting tool that would include scissors i'm i'm just saying and i and i understand that but i would just encourage you to contact your legislature and change the definition of weapon do does the district policy have to mirror the statute yes i mean because if you don't it doesn't matter it's still marriage mirrors it you know what you just said weapons only applies to guns it wouldn't matter it applies the statutory i understand that we can't do anything less than a statute but police clerical we at least clarify it for our purposes well as you want clarified it says right there instrument or implement that i understand but my point is that therefore based on this definition in the district policy scissors are now automatically a weapon that is what this verb they're used in appropriately even if they're not it doesn't say if it's used that way it says it's a cunning tool it's a weapon no matter how it's used that's what this says just in a good it goes back to if it says or is in an course that you're using or their school issued scissors you can still charge a challenge for possession of scissors if they have scissors on on them then they have no educational reason you could charge of there you would look at the circumstance but technically  authorised scissors that are capable of inflicting serious bodily harm would fall as a weapon and here we've had cases where children have brought in says not here other places i've been brought in scissors to inflict serious bodily harm from home that would be considered a weapon even though you used box cutters and schools i understand all those points i'm simply saying that i don't think that this definition says what we want to that was my only point and i understand what you're saying and and i if anybody disagrees with me on the board i say that is my position is it's statutory and it's how it's interpreted because or how it's enforced by the district  known little enforcements where we felt like it was inappropriate so i would prefer to have the statutory definition because it is what it is and we can't change and typically with ok are there any other comments you have when cook a were writing the words mace pepper spray and similar items so as it stands now are they allowed in the school now and it's never been spelled out before this is the first time of the policy wonder why it's not being recommended i would ask to put it on the table for recommendation well the reason we did not recommend it is because we have another policy that deals pacifically with complaints in general and we felt that the student complain follow that same policies so there was no reason why students would have a separate complaint procedure remember we have the general and where they go to the teacher i understand that i guess the reason why i'm supportive of having a specific one that articulate student is because of its title student and i i just again it's not a hill i want to fall on but i do think that it it with all of these policies that we have having a one pager like this is not going to hurt anybody and i think it clearly identifies the fact that the student has a right in a prosperous us for complaint so again i would propose that we leave it for consideration let's see other policies title i think it might be a complaint procedure and the procedure is that initially you go to the teacher and then proceed to the principal and then proceed to the superintendent and match the procedure if if we were to recommend this policy maybe maybe instead of having an administrative regulation as suggested in number three the first paragraph of authority you just say provided that such complaints are submitted according to board policy and then refer back to the other one but if the teachers had a complaint they wouldn't start out with the teacher with the well that's the point isn't that policy said yeah it doesn't i mean i can see  yeah it's not just didn't if i'm understand that policy you're referring there's other it's everyone will complaints there this holds out the students right and process to some degree and that's exactly why mr merrill that i want it left and you're saying that it should be different from no procedure for the no i'm saying that procedure at the other policy you're referencing has more to it and includes other things teachers and what not all i'm saying is this one is a specific policy toward students and their right to complaint process that other one is not it's more broad in terms of who it covers and what you do in that process so that's why i want this one to remain ok and let me clarify you still want the process to be the same right as in the i'm not advocating a change in the process at all i'm just saying that this is a one page policy that i think is good and what's one more so would you would you agree than in the first paragraph under authority yes to the board and its employees show recognize she's done yes would you it's perfect you know i know this is perfect and on this topic since you brought it up just clarify me again ministration right but they have to present it to us we don't we meaning the board but i thought you had pointed out to us the dr french that we have no say in a ours you according to the policy that's written if it's some why it's somewhat unclear because it they we have we can request changes i don't know if they stood if it ministrat firm and said no we wanted that way but according to how the policy is written the administration writes it and presented to us we don't vote on it we i guess would yes it is a whole sections that story yeah i think that is statutory well one school day before but i do think that that because that would be a way for administration to effectively squelch their freedom of expression by never getting back to them is what i'm is without a decision the material shall be considered authorized for distribution but see that this is person i see the problem that we have had in my short tenure on this board with many things this just being one of those things that's absolutely ridiculous we're talking about the same problem we have with these trips and with these fundraisers and we get them after they have been done i mean it makes no logical sense whatsoever legally let me ask you question if the bar should be higher but it is so and we can understand that there probably are some instances where this could have been enacted because girls never got back and essentially you can you know infringe on the first amendment right of a student by never giving them permission you know right so a smart student would just overloaded ministration with requests knowing that if it doesn't get answered they just can do what they want that's the issue that mrs bowman's brain let's don't tell them right i don't know the legal now or any yeah right you know i don't see the one day what i would suggest is if you give me a time period that you would like is well taken you get you have something on a friday and you want to post on a monday but give something on a monday want to post on a friday and she's gone to harrisburg for three weeks three days or four days at least if you give her a weekend because we know harrisburg is your second home principal there is now yes now there is and always there i'm just i'm sure i'm you know i'm i'm referencing six only from a very strategic perspective of protecting the administration if they do get deluged so the answer was six school days so i was just i would add it now and check and then after it's wrong and will change it back and will bring that up at the first read but while she's doing that is there any other comments are there any other comments on t twenty ok so we check into that and anything past two twenty two twenty one just real briefly two things the second full paragraph seems to me to be a little bit confusing the board has the authority to impose and here is the words impose limitations on student dress code next sentence the board will not interfere with the right of students to me that is confusing and is contradictory contradicting itself if the board has the authority to impose limitations we don't need to say the board will not interfere with the right of students and their parents or guardians to make decisions regarding their parent that's exactly what the policy is saying we have the right to do me my personal opinion as i've said this before i do think we need uniforms but dr french isn't for me that and i got to give him credit for this because i don't think about this and that is the policing of it so i'm backing down off of that because of what you said but that paragraph to me is absolutely confusing i think because it's excess i mean it has you know we're we're going to give you the freedom except when particular things happen i'm looking at the statue and i appreciate that cracks interfere with the educational program i want to ask you to repeat that but i'm trying to process it i'm guess my point though miss is this is anderson is the words impose limitations because to impose a limitation is directly to inhibit and interfere with the right of a student a parent yes i choose what they wear it isn't it isn't statutory you think it's case of this one because if you if you look at the statutory it just says the board of directors in any school entity may impose limitations on dress and may require people's to wear standard dress or uniforms and so i do think i mean the mere right that the board has to impose uniforms is limiting a parent in a child's expression and so that's that sentence after the first sentence is fine but the second sentence the board will not interfere everything after that in that paragraph to me it's an absolutely counter no i right i agree with that and we do that yeah well maybe we do that and i know what happened the first week of school this year i'd member what happened my son came home and told me but my point is very simply this if the statute says that the school board has the right to impose uniforms for example that is directly interfering with the right of students and their parents to choose it just is you know there's there's nothing statutory i mean there's statutory things about how long people can have their hair and everything but eliminating everything after impose limitations would be statutorily ok i believe tinker dealt with freedom of speech and freedom of expression i mean if i thought that last year or two years ago we're free to say shoulder straps have to be at least minimum of one inch but that was b s but that stuff's all part of student handbook right and you are right so i would propose that the board will not interfere that whole rest of that paragraph be removed don't i don't disagree with its theory if it's not going to change anything i don't think it i mean you're saying you're not it's not helping right i'm saying it's wasteful language and i'm also saying that it's it's completely contradictory to the first sentence well i thought about that actually dr murphy i thought about that just how would it read though so the board has the authority to impose limitations on student dress code except when their choice is disrupted occasional program doesn't mean the negative yeah and the because i think that is more limiting and and doesn't let you change as much because they could but in fact it does like well the school principal at the high school had to tell young lady that she had to go home and put different clothes on because she had see through pants on that mohit the education of the rest the gentleman in that class most parents and guardians don't know how their child goes to school at the high school especially at the high school most of those parents don't even know how they're dressed because both parents work in this community most of the time so these kids are going to school with whatever showing not much i know and i was actually over for your first idea if we were going to really only have everything to lead it all because i do think by leaving that and then the only limit us to certain times when you want to do something and someone can argue this isn't disrupting the educational program happy or that well yes i want the whole thing going ok what do i care what you want to say  and to enforce board policy and surely they're not called schools are they just they have a real name like handbook or administrative regulations or i mean i don't think we have an a r right now i don't remember seeing it that's why i don't believe in the three hundred said we haven't done that employees yet like i said i just hope that's going to be a very effective a or ok any other comments on this is the latest fashion though in terms of school district doing this i just read an article yesterday but here's the age old question and i hate to be a broken record but my biggest problem with this policy is the extreme violation that occurs even this very day by students and faculty and it literally drives me crazy as a coach at the school i interact with these kids i see them on a regular basis and frankly chewing tobacco is rampid and the problem is and i understand this dr french the problem is legislating this and dealing with it from a disciplinary perspective would take up  of time i understand that but we have a policy now this just out of the cigarettes and i have seen with my own eyes are high school students having them in their hands now this obviously isn't approved i get that but what's going to happen when this thing goes into effect because just like the smokeless tobacco it's going to be a policy we have and you can go to a football game on friday night and there's going to be kids carrying pop bottles and spit into pop bottles and you know this is my biggest i just i have such a huge problem with us i love the policy and i wanted to be enforced but the problem is that we have parents show up at sporting events and other extracurricular events and our campus is not smoking and they do it and who is going to legislat that's the biggest issue and i'm not putting you on the spot to even answer that i just i put it out there to say that because the public needs to understand it's a whole lot easier for us as a border city and say oh this is great this is wonderful that it's on the books and you see people violating it every single day but that high school and nothing's done nothing and i would have i would like the words right the words a great misunderstanding like that and i don't want to be an administrator by the way once this kicks in because i know that the principal and the two vice principals up there are going to have their hands full that first day after when those kids come with those to be smoke if nothing else sitting in their cars before and after school which is just as egregious as walking in a building in terms of this policy i'm not making a value judgment on is it right for the public's you know how does anyone have any issues with the language under the influence the student will be transported to a hospital what on earth for we can give them a brother lives or here why are we transporting them to a hospital which would necessarily by ambulance so the question would be is is it happening all the time and if it's not maybe we change well to may and for it to cover those instances i can tell you in practice what what we do if it's a challenge is a we are really really worried that's what we do i wouldn't even have a problem if it's a contact that you know called paramedics should we just say if a student is suspected to be under the influence the student might or may be transported to hospital i think it's because they're looking at the your analysis and by this is not for medical this is for they were sending them to get rid of prior to returning to school is too late to be bringing any or analysis and the paramedics can do it your analysis influence they can go get a your analysis or code go get something to prove that they weren't and that to avoid any discipline to maybe what they want be transported say into may be and ma be the discretion and but it did we added that language after sending this to the solicitor i don't think i actually i just wanted some clarification on it and what i like specifies within two hours or three hours after you have it to mrs moments point i actually would agree maybe it might be beneficial to add transported to a hospital by ambulance therefore parents are going to send them then comes back negative but we're sending them for a potential drug test by ambulance who pays for it well and that's the point that a solicitor probably have to answer but i think putting in there transported to a hospital you know by has a clear specific pathway of operation when this circumstance happens there also requires a medical needs exactly as if they're having an exam on the ambulances or not i call the ambulance just because the kids were put off is a police officer permitted to transfer you i'm not i don't know officer went to jail nobody could transfer him to how he did you know i could yes i definitely believe they need to be transported to a hospital is being married to a physician as she said there's a lot of ways kids can get out of doing their own testing or whatever and having their parents test them going to a hospital definitely let's find out what's going on with the child plus we don't want any child getting into a car and driving home so we need to  does i don't think i don't think it happens all the time is the question and will seems to me maybe it doesn't mean it mandatory that mandatory right but if you read the paragraph before it's based on student's behavior ok then i would say you need to leave it at will and not give it subject to may because this whole this whole issue is generated based on student's behavior so they're giving indication if they're giving an indication that there could be a possibility whether it's truly medically induced whether it's by by way of drugs or alcohol then i don't think that school district should have the choice it should be policy that we send them by ambulance that we were covering ourself and the child i think it should remain will ignored in past years and parents were upset because why didn't you send my child to football game that was was hurt by any ambulance and they were ignored by the coach or so we've had that situation this is more protective might might be off and nothing life threatening that they were going to transport them i worry about taking the discussion by calling the parents saying hey you know we think something's wrong with the right holes are ok can you come in and take them to them and front of valuation that would be an authorized personnel their parents so if you agree we can expose so we can say that that would be an authorized personnel in my mind i'd using the term authorized personnel would declare a parent guardian and anybody deck cleared by the parent on their medical form that they fill out for the school that the school holds could be an authorized personnel  any other comments on two twenty six once again that last sentence i'd like to have something in there stop talking about the period of time the element of time because then go to gnc and get stuff knol that four hours after the i don't think i would oppose putting an hour limit and i would be well and like i would recommend something like appropriate time yeah but what i mean that's four days later then well mr murray says when you don't tell we don't know like how many hours if we put a time frame in there i agree with your point but if we put a time frame in there and one of our employees or a nurse or a principal doesn't do it in a lot of time now we're hooking ourselves so i'm talking about them getting a blood test or now soon itself yes i'm talking about for them to clear the record if they go they can't wait for you know four days after christmas  but then so they can get the so on the other hand mr mayor what it's saying is only in the case where the parents want to prove a child innocent basically that's what that verbiage is saying to avoid to surprise will they get those testing to prove the school district that requiring those testings at all ever so we're going to assume they're guilty then ok so if they don't come back with something to prove that they were still going to have the punishment of the a are behaving in an impaired fashion yes ok i just want to make sure that we all understand where this is consistent with the way that law enforcement handles erratic driving i mean you have a right driving it doesn't really matter why you are having a reg driving they can cite you for a right to drive which is so and then we would just highlight that and a first three one and during the first three yeah so we won't bring it on committee again as long as that would only be right now the only thing to discuss if it's not extensive could i request that that policy put up again sentence on going to the hospital i want to read that thank you it's that it reads if a student is suspected to be under the influence the student will be transported to a lintz or other authorized personnel including parent i can imagine a situation where let's say i'm a doctor and my kid has a junior had a cough maybe took too much cough medicine because i thought it would be a good idea technically they are under the influence now so if you decide they're under the influence you call me and that policy says that the school is ordering me to take my kid to the hospital well if i'm a doctor and i know that my kid doesn't need to go to the hospital you're still telling you to that's not saying required it's saying may know it's there will be trans we do a hospital by a parent but please understand if you read that correctly read the paragraph above it because the paragraph above it is the is the the beginning of this i based on student's behavior medical symptoms and henceforth the rest of it then that kicks in no it says if based on the sue's behavior blah blah blah the student may be required to submit to drug or alcohol testing that was the end of that sentence the next paragraph is a different situation if a student is suspected to be under the influence the student will be transported to a hospital by the parent that means that the district is telling the parent what instance that i i want to guard us against as a district is an instance where a an administrator happens to have a personal relationship with a family and that child is acting erratic and maybe they know dad is a doctor and they're going to just cut johnny a break right by having will in there we have a policy a procedure that we follow every time this happens and maybe there's going to be instances where we are being overly cautious but that's not the instance i'm concerned about it's the instance where we are doing it and it has a real benefit the ones that we do it and were overly cautious and we could be wrong about or dad is a doctor and says that he just took too much you know a dimetapp or something well guess what i'd rather err on the side of caution and be wrong about that one against dad but when it really comes to matter we do it the same way every time and that's what these policies are about they're about creating uniformity in the same circumstances where we don't have the human element of saying well cindy is one of my friends i'm not going to make her go  of all this discussion if we eliminated that entire second paragraph and because it already the last sentence in the book says the testing may include but is not limited to the administration of a breathalyzer test and then in the a r the superintendent there rags or sets forth when a student should be transferred transported to the hospital and then you could come so that there's not the discretion by you allow for situations where they won't be you know if the parent is going to take them or something like solicitor's opinion on this because personally this individual is going to hold firm in my opinion that it should be will and it should be a static procedure every time we do the same thing regardless if we have instance where we think that child is influenced that way there's no prejudice that way there's no favoritism that way it's consistent maybe that's just my german germanic heritage coming out rob i'm just consistent dr hardy i don't actually disagree with you i have no problem with the word well my issue is the fact that based on that sentence i was distrait is telling the parents what they're going to do sometimes parents need to be told what to do and that doesn't go well that may be true but how about this we will track with the solicitor  in the first read if it is if it seems like an easy or what i think you know people would be satisfied with we'll put it on with the first three without changing the highlight it and if not we'll just when we do th good point good point and what do you mean is tobacco controlled substance you're saying and to that point when you donate to a nonprofit the letter that you get from them must state that you do not you're not receiving any goods or services in giving your donation show i concur yeah well in time i concur unfortunately the pressure to do it well but if we pass this policy i'll tell you something i'm so in favor of this because this is happening at the sports associations this is happening all over the place exactly and you know what it drives me absolutely insane that we have these programs and ok it really this is today i think what you're talking about we already have fund raising policies in the extracurricular and well i think that there there there is a difference with respect to the extracurricular group policy this would be in my opinion i think it covers both because if they but it why collection and where would that go because i don't see that the limitation i don't see where where would you think that it excluded that is the question right there the obvious question out think i want to sit next to her next now the question has come up should we go on or should we have a time certain or would you want do we now h anybody else have let's try and be specific to the point and just talk about the language ok what after two twenty nine to thirty there's no consequence which is very similar to the not filing his will to thirty is not recommended that house get that one i don't i don't think we approve everything we don't approve the probably right what determines what we've pro now on for policy to thirty three to thirty three page two what the heck is an in school suspension there's no definition here in iowa personally i have no idea what that means they actually go into the in school s allowed to be in that in school suspension i gotta ask i just have to ask a parent yes why do you have evidence of this happened before are you serious to i just have to throw it out have any change in language correct you there's no definition of what in school suspension is do you think we have to have a deaf and i didn't know it was suspended and i would like the question answered does the kid get to participate in activities whether in in school they are excluded from the regular classroom activities but they are able to keep up with with their work and assignments so it's ok it's just another form it's a lesser form of discipline than an out of school suspension and i understand greater than attention ok that's good it's a lot more expensive for us i'm sure but do they get to participate in activities you know about extracurricular activities no i think you have to play basketball that night that they're in school suspension i ok page two of six second the last paragraph so the end school suspension exceed ten consecutive days the student and parent guardian shall be offered an formal hearing yes after ten days applies almost exclusively to pregnant people and i'm not sure why the marriage would be a disability i like to think of it as a well let me thing i'm going to think about that one bill i have office case if it if the married has to stay there then all of the stuff should be except that's except the pure pregnant stuff should be he she or the student everything in here is she and if it applies to married students then it's got to be gender neutral where it applies to marriage well i agree with you wholeheartedly the only thing i would say to this policy is pregnant and then everything after that parenting or married if i understand  but the silly part of it is the authority only refers to pregnancy the guidelines refer to pregnancy the delegation of responsibility is pretty neutral except for number four i mean it's it's not really about marriage it's about pregnant people in a marriage we have no domination so male or all female marriage would have no deficiency in it what would be a deficiency like i think be karen it was a different story yeah but not marriage because i don't think you would require somebody to have a license you know a license decision be you say you're ok to take jim if you're married exactly right now yes you can see the point do that or if your parenting that's why  statute right now it's the twelve point one and it talks about you student may not be excluded from the public schools or from extracurricular activities because the student is married the student is pregnant the student has disability and the student do you know  that is i'll laser pointer is actually considered that way if you look at the f a a requirements they're illegal because of the blocking of pilots in mid air but these extended pointers that can go for five six miles at least statutory oh and actually we did make it better said in the new sentence on two two fifty a three because that that is what the model policy talks about whenever i'm sorry but if the child is in a taxi it's not our business well here's the deal because i just had a c e o we on this and i raised my hand and i said i don't understand why the school has an obligation how do we have an obligation to investigate dating violence that occurred saturday night at a party and the obligation is that what the attorney counseled me on there is that you don't look to see your obligation to investigate is not dependent on what do you have the ability to discipline the perpetrator you have to complete an investigation because what happens on saturday night might a fact that person's ability to know just doesn't actually say that that piece of it i don't have a problem with this says school sponsored activity i have no issue with that part of the language at all ok question is why do we have public vehicle providing transportation if they're on a school bus if there are others in their hours right but if we have tried it in a parent's car to or from a student or school sponsored activity that's not us or that's not a public vehicle what would be a public vehicle they all take the trolley they all take the fight it's providing transportation to or from say in general i told mrs anderson this before the meeting i don't like this policy at all and the reason i don't like this policy is because it extends us into an area that a i don't believe we have authority to be b i think it is putting us into a position where where does this stop meaning at what point are we going to stop having policies encouraging us to insert ourselves into the life of our children when it's not a part of a school function i i i like this policy is we have we i don't like this policy but the reason why i do think we should be educating our girls and boys on dating violence in one way everything that you hear that's happening on school campuses in everything having said that this is not a mandatory policy it's a recommended policy much of the stuff that occurs here would under be unlawful harassment when you say you hate inserting yourself when you don't you have title nine implications because to the extent that this is unlawful rassmann that falls under title nine which relates to you know the sexual nature of it but it could be you know the bullying that has you know gender specific or whatever the law is clear that the school has an obligation because those events that occur outside of school can have an effect on whether the victim is able to accept the benefits of the education so if they're not coming to school if it if they're in the same class with that individual it's an obligation of the school to accommodate that person and to investigate it to ensure that we don't have a hostile environment within our classrooms or within our school environment particular perpetrator might need help and i agree with you it was overwhelming to me to read all of the office of civil rights all but i don't see why dating violence is the one we're holding out that's my point i don't disagree with what you're saying period well yes of violence period but i don't think we need a policy for this because what you've just articulated i me in the public if they didn't know which already knew we still have a responsibility to create an environment for our students where these things are not caring over so whether it's a dating violence situation we still have the responsibility to create the environment for a girl or guy who had dating violence and to have a policy i just i'm so against this this level of intrusion into people's lives when we still have a responsibly to create that environment for our kids and i'm a little bit lost i don't want to get into the whole title nine thing because i disagree that this is any different than everything else that we have to abide by to maintain our title nine status this is just one instance where if we don't we can be nailed on it but i don't think a policy as to exist for us to know our responsibilities again i would ask the board not to put this forth dr frank is isn't there a mandatory requirement if we see some girl battered that we have to report it unlawful harassment policy you know it would it would come under there but if a girl or boy did come in and talked made a complaint to the principal that there was this dating violence we would be whether there's an obligation whether there's a policy or not we would have to investigate it not necessarily could we discipline the perpetrator but we might have to accommodate that particular student to ensure that you know they're being able to still be within our community and we have an obligation to you know if we see this happening a lot then to have educational programs for our students 'm not minimizing the importance of being on guard against dating violence in any way but what i'm saying is it falls into the same category of our responsibilities to care for our kids across the board and this one policy i think is just a complete intrusion into a specific narrow little focused aspect that we already are paying attention to and it's covered under the other one so if it's the board's in turn to just have something like this be covered under the other policies that's fine