and so i saw the ambition not only in terms of bridging the productivity gap in brazil but also on other very important aspects like the talent development or with a lot of problems of population like the crime in our cities or the padme's that we have in brazil or traffic jam so this was not only about economics it was about a fundamental improvement of present him he has been there in the ministry of science technology and digital innovation for many years and in this particular program he has been in leadership from the beginning he has been leading it it was very complicated in the beginning this was promoted by the national development bank but then he was able to articulate with the government so that the government ended up becoming the client and this is very to describe very briefly the highlights of this project we believe it's a quite unique project we know that china is very advanced in fact i'm coming from shanghai this week where i have been discussing change the way we work and with the deep implications not only economical or technical as you may see but human and it's true that this can contribute to more asymmetry in terms of power and channeling huge fans now and all of that support those are healthcare rural environment smart cities and industry so these are and then we investigated talk they bring the government the regulators to really channel all the positive energy and resources to the problems that are more helpful so this was also a priority that we are taking  promotes and provides a lot of facts and data that allow governance to make decision so my question to you is what is the importance that you see in a study like this one in terms of developing specific and how to educate the government as i mentioned first of all humility we as the coordinator we have to keep the space of each ministry you have to keep the desire to appear that that's this a professional way to build the the policy usually not on in brazil when some policy guy want to build some some some action he like that i guess this is direction and they they go we at that moment we go one step behind worked very hard together it was very very intensive year and now we have a very robust study that is providing us all th force the national iot plan so this is very objective no one can can tell that the government didn't talk to to some stakeholder we talk to everyone everyone thousands of people and everyone it's a pleasure to be here representing the brazilian development bank first let me just introduce a little bit of the the bank what is the bank actually the bank was found during the fight the s and we are a hundred percent state owned bank now last year ha dispersed around twenty five billion dollars to the private sector mainly and also to the government as well but most of our disbursements to the parvis sector so the history of being the s is a little bit mix it with the brazil we have this more than just providing equity see and that for companies developing the private sector in brazil we are also called by the government to help designing and implementing public polic studies and we do it always hand in hand with the government so yeah this is pretty much how we work oh and and we were born in a very in this rely industry and infrastructure perspective our dna is very connected to the industry and an infrastructure like fifteen to twenty years ago we understood that innovation was the key paramount for the country so we remix we  understood we have to do something but we didn't know what exactly at this time we met with the ministry and they were building the chamber of iot and we understood that iot could be a good  very peak of the hype cycle an iot and i believe is still there we don't know where where it's going to be but we understood that iot as a concept as  in the in the previous presentation as a concept of getting value from the data of the real world of the dan analogic world what can we do in order to gather information transmitted it generate order to join efforts without combining the bureaucracy between the agencies so and to do that we understood that we need to have a conscious choice it could not be the b and s choice cannot be the ministry choice cannot be the mck and that's that's why we create this governance between many different agents so they can feel that they were building up together this plan with us so this i think is what the main the main key sector and also articulate different agencies in the government so that's why we are we have engaged in this society plan and then i'll talk about later what can we do as an implementer of the well being a lawyer i'm afraid i have to speak about law and regulation a little bit so just to give you a sense of how we organize the chapter about regulation in this study i think like the overall context for the study has been provided already but i would like to emphasize the four areas that are priorities for this study so we cannot foster everything but we can certainly provide implementation in the rural sector it's as field in which brazil is already competitive so i think we can actually become even more competitive by adding a technology layer manufacturing health care in smart cities so these are the elections that were made in this particular plan internet rights law that was passed in two thousand and fourteen sometimes it takes a long time it took in that case seven years to be articulated as a law but the payoff is actually very high because you get a sophisticated law and the brazilian law protects net neutrality and safe harbors for online content and more and even now like after four years which that the study is going to be published in terms of laws and regulations the expectation is that it's going to happen by the end of this month so this study in itself was a year and a half work and it summits in the publication of norms by the presidency and i believe like any time from now until the end of the month we might have those norms implemented and of course then there is the challenge of implementation and the funding but i'm going to let you go talk about that in his concluding remarks so for the legal perspective that's the challenge of that could be amended to basically promote iot better and identify in a minority effort what should be the new regulatory spaces that should be implemented in brazil so basically our approach was first and mostly let's get rid of what is basically harming the development of i we necessarily be what are the new spaces for regulation so it's more than that but roughly we basically focused on three main areas telecommunications the question of data that we've been talking here so far and also cyber security so not going to get into all the details here but one of the important things was basically to build up a framework for machine to machine communications this is something rather new for brazil because we basically approach communications as a person to person question so one of the challenges for instance  to review the idea of kos or quality of service it's very different requirements if you have a quality of service rule for a phone call in which you cannot have latency or anything like that but if it's two machines communicating that framework can actually be very different so a machine might need to send data only once a day and this is a very different service than your a streaming video or providing a phone call so we looked into that of course there are taxation issues as well so we had to look into for instance the fishtail tax and how they apply to machine to machine this is important to be revamped as well and we have a proposition for that and another big element is the certification of equipment that gets in brazil so sometimes that certification process is long and it can be very brutal kradic brazil sometimes can be very good at bureaucracy and so we had to look into that and see what how can we expedite this particular process so in terms of privacy and of course data as you know brazil is discussing right now the approval of a new data protection law we don't have one so we have the brazilian bill of rights that i mentioned that took a few steps into that direction but it's certainly incomplete and brazil has now the  last year they held a public hearing and our study has been mentioned a couple of times because we basically have a proposal about how that should be handled in the sense of how data should here but one issue that i think is important to mention is the cybersecurity issue and that also includes in our view in this study a multi stakeholder approach in our view  it would be really not ideal for brazil to have cybersecurity issues dealt with by only the government itself or even worse one specific branch of the government be it the consumer protection in the ministry of justice be it the military cabinet attached to the presidency so we don't think there should be a predominance of any of these institutions but rather we should build a multi stakeholder framework also for cybersecurity and the reason for that is very simple government's on their own do not have all the resources to deal with the challenges of cybersecurity they need to cooperate with the private companies as they need to cooperate with the scientific community and others in order to be effective in the  actually connected with iot and in our view this connection must be really profound especially because of the cybersecurity issue it's actually really we should look into a change of paradigm  on how devices are exposed online so just putting a device open in the net and being able to be pinged by any computer that's in my view not a very good idea and i think like the blockchain create the flexible and cheap certification layer that we might need in order to deploy millions or even billions of devices for that so we looked into that and we see that there is a positive approach there as well and of course ai is an integral part of that as well we looked into that and how we can better integrate an intelligence layer to the in brazil so that's also part of this study and will be turned hopefully into part of the the national plan as well so just to conclude there is an entire chapter on the regulatory aspects of it there that is the download link for the portuguese version and i have a small announcement of my own which is the fact that columbia university very kindly offered  provide the translation of these materials into english so we are working on that right now and our expectation is to have a book because that's what it is in the end like it's three hundred and fifty page translated into english hopefully by august and of course we are going to make that available online for everyone as well so i think holly for championing this effort and also alia and  merritt and we are going to get that in english shortly because i think that might be a relevant contribution for the debate regarding iot from the global perspective as well that's it  has a device so with the information from it's from the patient or from the device equipment supplier or from the hospital that receives it or perhaps from the telecommunications operator or anything else remotely has a lot to do with me as a citizen i come from a very big family in brazil actually the biggest family that i've ever heard about my grandmother had twenty one kids and i from my father's part when i got married i chose a destination wedding because i didn't want to be rude you know to do not invite the whole family but no but the reason why i'm talking about my family is because most of my family is quite poor they come but i have access to healthcare good healthcare good education good everything and i see my family struggling every day you know with not having access to the same things that i do and every time i go back to my grandmother house my uncle's houses i keep on asking me why they don't have access to that and if i talk about health care in brazil the you you will understand why inequality has a lot to do with that and we've been paying the price of five hundred you know years industry technology information technology i actually figured out that technology can be a great way for us to bridge this gap there are many risks though and privacy is one of them but the only way for us to know what we will do is should be specific so one thing that i love about this project it is that it's based on use cases they know they are sick and tired of me talking about music use cases why is that relevant if we talk about t old people than young people this is huge and you can imagine the burden that's gonna cause in health care to make it more challenging we kill as many people as syria every year we are in a civil war imagine the needs that our country that is in a civil war has in the healthcare system to make it even more challenging we have infectious diseases as poor countries in africa do if you put all those three things together now you cannot think of a single country that has the same challenges as brazil has today so if you think about the costs for the economy of  percent to sixty percent public health care free for everyone that's part of the reason why we have this good news but it's not enough so as i said it's gonna cost twenty percent we cannot afford that so we can improve coverage quality sustainability financial sustainability by using a lot of iot that's why i'm i'm passionate about that and that's why i'm running a technology firm now and i'm not a consultant anymore because i really got passionate about that what is the problem we cannot talk about private privacy without talking about the specific cases so privacy for me if you talk about individual health records is one thing if you talk about life sciences is another thing if you talk about connecting machine to machine is another thing i'll just take these three examples one of the main challenges that we have in brazil is should keep improving coverage and also improving quality coverage you can solve with many simple things like telemedicine like taking a doctor you know in a remote area us have had these data why cannot the government have this data so but there is an issue there so we can have that data in a an identified way we need to protect the data who has this kind of data today the banking industry our in the public sector ones they cannot afford most of them don't have doctors they are just closed anyways so we can use the system in a more efficient way these four things are together they already solve a significant part of the problem privation promotion depends on people actually doing that and that's the beauty of it there i think it needs to be really protected and people need to choose but they also need to be taken care of i cannot go back to my parents who didn't go to  to me is individual health records should be protected should be really really well protected life science needs to be done in a more organized way collaborative way including public sector private sector academia doing that together what should be public information everyone should know which beds are being used which beds are not being used which doctors are actually running all the appointments that they were supposed to be running which doctors are not which nurses are good which  and i guess the main the main point is if you really want a true state policy not a government policy a state policy you must engage not only th companies so we do have an arm for equity provider and we do it through funds also we have venture capital holder of funds for venture capital in brazil but we are work right now we have about a hundred and thirty million dollars available for investing in in small companies but we are still going to strength this area the third area really important for us for for security for transportation those main areas which we focus on on the plan and that then the top layer is creating benchmarks in brazil so you want to foster and and this connect me to the next the next a for the consortium what are the vision for iot in health sector for in cities and so on we knew since for the very beginning that iot would happen so where should the government speed up iot and what concern should the government envisioned but we also want to work with very specific goals on the under and what in a vision we have specific goals for for each each vertical for instance in the health sector that the treatment of a chronical disease but also to show what business model are sustainable not only in the private sector perspective but also in the public sector perspective and more than this what are the challenges larger larger experience well so this is going to be launched this year we're going to foster the first pilots and then we understand that this is going to be a continuous movement towards the will literally speak for thirty seconds because i want to make sure we have questions companies in brazil are worried because they feel that they need to comply to something they just don't know exactly what specific framework a lot of companies are seeking gdpr compliance especially those that have branches and work internationally so they're using the gd p r as a reference in the hopes that when the brazil and in brazil and china wherever but we have to comply everywhere sure if european and of course yeah there is a market movement and this is actually good because it's dividing the brazilian market into two tiers one are those that are following some rules different ones in some cases regarding privacy and the second tier is the companies that never cared about it and it was basically free for all and this second tier is basically fading out and i think that's important so the market is in this exact moment dividing into two tiers and the companies that based never cared about these issues the i think private companies need to work more closely together the government and academia we've been talking a lot about startups i think the big companies will also play a very relevant role because they also own the data today and they have access to their customers so learning to be as fast as i startup i think it's gonna be the challenge the first challenge the second one is to work in a more collaborative way sometimes even with other competitors in the same sector  second challenge to me is to learn and differ what rule should be global what rules should be localized so as we see now there is a trend for us should always take the rules that are more rigid especially the international companies the solutions i mean also taking local people to hire local people to work with you local solutions local programmers local everything so that can help  the local economies and at one third point that i think is common for government companies and everyone is to keep things simple like we are trying to find solutions that are too complicated too big and they become so  flexible and agile the agile culture i think it's a thing that can help all of us independent on the sector to really respond to the needs of the people more quickly and more efficiently excellent so now we fiber networks and data data centers because this is a huge problem for investors to actually deploy new companies in the country for sure only to i don't know if you know  data one one time a day to receive information and and get it back when you look to to to the biggest farms they they put their own infrastructure there is a big company that produce indonesia india new zealand that are making these public private networks for throught minutes thank you wanted to comment that just adding a vendetta's also working with a local small isp internet service provide a large amount of areas in pursuit that will not pay off for the investment so we are working in different solutions but the missiles but beside that we have specific arrangements that we can do for  just indicate that i am very impressed with what you're doing i think you're doing a great job but i'd like to go back to my earlier comment playing devil's advocate and make an observation what you are do you the larger problem that we're talking about is a continuation from the previous session this is a problem of culture change what we have here are a group of educated elites who do not represent the brazilian people i was at a session at the law school on friday where the same thing was going on t threw out as an answer to my question education what in effect you're saying is to use these beautiful models and i am really impressed with this what you have to do is take the brazilian people put them in schools where they will be resocialized to be able to function within this system i've been following culture change programs in brazil for sixty years now i have found very few that are top down without including the bottom from the very beginning that actually work what i did not hear is this and as a result it makes me as pessimistic in in spite of what you're doing my pessimism continues because i don't see anything different i don't see the culture of brazil being in though the brazilian people i mean just as one example for tunisia what you're doing is wonderful i happen to study religion healing in brazil there's a whole matter of alternative edinson that is completely left out here you talk about primarily the agribusinesses in the rural areas there's nobody for example from the mst who is involved in this somehow unless you get down and incorporate the present representation of the  population from the very beginning it's almost already too late i fear that it's going to be just one of these many wonderful programs in brazil that just didn't work yeah but let me just  is a full block on the people skills people involvement that is part of the four year journey so i think you are right we didn't touch it so much here but it's included and i would like  healing that's not a consensus at all in healthcare brazil was the first one to include that now last month the primary care coverage that's becoming a huge issue bottom sometimes in some specific target and we have a very difficult to scale up those experiences for example garbage collector in brazil single garbage collector we have launched  are so high that we as a central bank we understand that we should work more in a more coordinated way ways with many many different pillars that should be going in put tools and technology for the the doctors that are going inside the favelas in in order to increase the treatment of them so this is a very strong concern about these people and the other one is the the graduate undergraduate scholarships to promote the the guys to study in iot but at the same time you have to focus on two issues one is the confidence to use technology education to the people believe that that technology will provide some things to them but at the same time they have to know the risks they are exposed to when are using that and the other one is to provide knowledge for the people but since they're kids i have a child seven years she starts to think how to programming hisher school because i go to the director of the school please do that no matter if she was a physician will be a physician or she will be agronomic engineering or whatever in the future everything we will we work through software she needs to know when something goes wrong so last month i