hi i'm david the bruce this is the creative good where we show all things in the creative commons we've been doing and are continuing our series on the hash tag meat movement this has been nominal if you haven't seen our previous episodes on this i suggest you go back and take a look but we continue and in this episode we're going to talk about men's reactions to the meat campaign now i need to tell you that men too have been abused and harassed look at what happened with kevin spacey and and the and the  men that have come out within the mean to campaign two it goes both ways but generally it's the women and this episode what i want to do is focus on the reaction that men are having wednesday's behavior was well known on social media scott rosenberg said let's be perfectly clear about one thing everybody knew and do you know how i am sure this is true because i was th or harassed has led to an outpouring from hundreds of thousands ranging from celebrities to members of the public the multiple allegations against harvey weinstein of being investigated in america and the four months to retake control of the city which was seized by us in two twenty fourteen and now this is really interesting we have this british punk rocker who sees a woman groped in the audience and boy he lets it be known what i like about this particular video in the creative commons is that he is standing in solidarity with the woman  i think it's great i did have to go through and take out all the words but you know i don't know why i need to do that in family time but you know i don't know anyway here it is it all of it that you remember that i said men also have been harassed abused and well even rate although they're not the largest segment of the meet to campaign they certainly are a part of it and we have this news conference that we want to show you and it's been titled kevin spacey is career is over and it's certainly oh my goodness i could  things about what has happened to kevin spacey sense these allegations came came forward but anyway in this episode me too we are taking a look at the reactions of men and the experience of man here we go  confirmed that it is investigating such a complaint it makes it clear that it is not identifying the subject of that complaint but our understanding is that it is the hollywood actor kevin spacey who of course has be subject of a number of allegations over the past few days since the first week or so ago the man said he was twenty three years old at the time and he told the sun a story of being at kevin spacey is and after a few drinks waking up to find that he was being abused that was the allegation made by young man to the kevin spacey has been replaced by actor christopher plummer in the upcoming big budget movie all the money in the world just six weeks before the movie's release and said that a crisp arguing new york for more chris what can you tell us about this yes so in a very very bold mo director ridley scott has decided to replace kevin in his upcoming film to be released in just six weeks it was a unilateral move made by scott he contacted the film stars michelle williams and mark wahlberg he said i'd like to bring in christopher plummer are we willing to do this and they both agreed and he then informed the studio that this is going to be the plan so they're going to get shooting right away and then a completely cut kevin spacey from the movie and phil christopher plummer and of course chris six weeks that is not a lot of time to reshoot major parts of this movie how can they do this yeah that is true apparently kevin it happened late night inside the club bathroom and when he was out of sight it turned woman to take him to my very shaken son's side and it was a obviously she could see something and she knew that he tremendous anger and anxiety right now my son is worried but  why he did not seem as eager to declare franken guilty as he had with more conservative commentator amanda carpenter tweeted out what does the senate ethics committee have to investigate about franken we have the story of the photo and an apology and this from conservative radio host don imus and b c contributor charlie sykes with all of the republicans pounding al franken to resign because of this story it really does open up the question of well then what about donald trump if we believe all the other women in all the other cases why do we not believe women who accused him it's a very good question and then in the middle of all of this there's a lot of generational changes happening here really good for women the women's movement has produced incredible results including this moment where women are speaking out are there are times i am not going to ask you the question i'm just going to this that we have to look at what the goal is here what's the goal what are we trying to do because i think the goal is to shine the light on really bad behavior really poor form really scary moments for women that do rail their careers and we need to create an environment where everyone feels safe where this behavior is shunned where it's unwelcome and where it's prevented so is the goal to bring people down based on politics or hate there are cases that are proven where there are settlements where there is evidence and the sexual predator has been brought down harvey  cases where the predator flourished and continued to be the president of the united states i'm talking about bill clinton where the women were attacked where they were saddled with and their lives were ruined monica lewinsky  and forever stamped with a scarlet letter you know this is what we've been dealing with on both sides of the aisle what's the goal we have a friend of the show who is no longer on the show because of this behavior that he admits and he apologizes for al franken apologizes i'm not being ideological i'm not siding with anybody i believe that women but what are we doing with these apologies i think the goal the ultimate goal is  considered a way of victimizing women what do we want well i think now we're into the next step which is we want women to speak out so men know that we're going to speak out and they will not behave that way and then following that after probably a generation of fear honestly is that we see they simply do not behave like that because they know it's not except to those not just that jury and the cops in the on all these cases because right now it's the story is big enough and flies enough the career is well i think it's not the judge and jury it becomes the american public what they're willing to tolerate what they're not and that the fact is that that's all for get especially when it comes to politics fifty one percent of this country women voters we have a say and we're using we're starting to use the voice and not to get too kind of kitschy here but it's about knowing your value it's exactly what you have you know thing about it's by saying it's ok i have the right to be in a workplace own it you know the moment it's right and it would behavior do we bring them to the table i think the public has a pretty good sense of where those modes are going to play out there will be casualties the casualties that should happen to really support all the net a new the way you were around women thirty years ago is a little different danny then the way you are now a million percent it's not really a person so she'd be brought down for the way you were thirty years ago i want to know you know every incident should i be brought down if i tried to endure those pats on the bud and my gosh is that the women who are coming out the women who are coming out now and bravely speaking out and talking about things that are uncomfortable and things they've had to swallow and live with they're doing it so that my daughter doesn't have to get pads right and  gave to new york times and i think it's important to end the block this way and then we will revisit when asked by the new york times that bill clinton should have resigned after his relationship with monica lewinsky was revealed the new york democrat and i completely agree and i felt this in the moment sad yes i think that is the appropriate response i don't know why women in the white house and in washington adopt think that in the moment adding quote that's me not her things have changed today and i think under those circumstances there should be a very different reaction and i think in the light of this conversation we should have a very different conversation about president trump and a very different conversation about