i will dispense with a review of that because i know the court had studied it all but i think that the key focal point is pretty much what the real idea says which is in looking at these cases the question is whether one central reason for the persecutors actions toward d the door of the alien involves potential political persecution now and they have met probably the most get into that ona last just farm same thing i've read that opinion it is certainly a detailed opinion applicable factually to what we have been forced to what extent has had been endorsed by you this circuit or the supreme court or for that mattered to which if you accept all that and use when trying to argue around it well i don't feel i have to argue around it i actually think it it supports our case but  argues with the ira chief i think it is in the fire chief says the critical words that you or your actions are disturbing the social order now that phrase that agreement on that that statement was made by the fire chief is in both pre and now i would submit that this phrase disturbing the social order is a clear statement of up that that there is a political challeng it's not about your being greedy it's about your disturbing the social order now right after he says that the the fire chief at makes two phone calls and has a group of guys come in and smash up and park police officers smash up mr do store ok that's one thing but then after that after that mr do violence to separate one of which is to the security  after he files these complaints against the fire chief that's when the arrest occurred so the arrest occur not just for what happened in front of the store but taking the action which by d is approved in matter and taking action is file a written complaint against the police chief and then at the end when all of that he's tortured goes through zaidi hours he was detained and all that immigration judge can should consider a direct or circumstantial evidence that the alleged persecuted was motivated by the ill percy actual anti corruption believes well again we have st of all the declaration of the fire chief at the time of the dispute that he was disturbing the social order nd of all we have after he goes and files his two complaints that's when he's arrest and when he is released he is released but the motive of the actors it seems to me is what we're looking at are and that as a finding of fact and the b i a miss by to good evidence that you're talking about fountains of vision evidence they do was clearly in this location nationwide to say all that are we talking about a fact finding and if we are if why is this opposite result why is is the opposite result compel the opposite result compelled to which would mean the overwhelming of the only or the something evidence except in the credibility of your client compel john he's all yes it's compelling because the way that another conclusion the fact that the it is undisputed in the record that the police chief accused might my client of disturbing the social order you cannot reach a conclusion another because that and remember it's not what the judge thinks it's what the persecutor and the persecutor revealed what he thought that this is a challenge to the social order and then you state so not only does like i said the chief just has you know has a store roughed up and knocked around but then all my client those out piles two complaints against him and he has a mediately arrest and again that's one of the factors that the quote that the beyond a says a matter of an ad we look at is whether there are maids he makes allegations that could expose the corruption to others and that's what he is doing particularly his complaint to the security and then it's after that he is arrested and he's held and abused until he greets never to file another complaint i submit none of that is discussed by the joe none of that is is an indication of motive what is the evidence as to the role of that particular official in the retail ury it to rather clear that he he is the one who calls the police to get  right after that the police come out and arrest so i would say it's pivotal but that whole process instead if you read the immigration judge he's wandering around the sky everything but that he's discussing whether mr blues white should have written a letter and all those other things he never spoke of his on the entire factual display and i should knit when you take out a complaint that you are disturbing the social order and then you arrest him when he files complaints and then you tell  you better dismissals complaints and never file him again or women were released i'm sorry you cannot come to any conclusion other than what mr boo did is one central reason illegal cats and it does seem to me that it's abuse from the political system of this fellow so that their corruption could continue looks like with these facts are what matter in him says that's not really enough to help me with that well it says if you did it you would also have to get in the fact that if the persecutor is motivated to do it because of that then it isn't and that's what we have here we have the sequence of facts is very clear the what i think is a very clear factual scenario is it doesn't show political or a persecution for political pinions i think mataram is wrong i don't think that reads that way i think you read and  which is this was a ship my client was challenging this social order in china and they got it and may be only way he got out of he got out alive he had met good morning your honor jonathan ross for the attorney general made to please the court it's my i want to focus on my colleagues one thing that my colleague said in particular that is unfortunately just wrong and he said that it's not what the immigration judge thinks but it's what the persecutor think and it's very important as judge southwick pointed out indeterminate officer actual motive is simply a factual finding so it's explicitly the factual findings o the immigration judge as to what the motive is of the alleged persecutor that is positive in this and although mr du paints a different perspective of the fact he's not able to show that th finding of the agency compels reversal where as he noted and that mr du noted in his own testimony that he had the best business and he made extortion payments not just one not just twice but over the years he paid tens of thousands of you onto corrupt officials and in terms of the immigration judge considering this evidence quote disturbing the social order a song from the issues waiver and exhaustion that exist because not only was that not preserved in the briefs of the board but it was not preserved in the briefs of this court other than merely stating it and the fact that the section matter of and am is very clear is even wavering exhaustion issues aside the fact that the police officer said that he was disturbing the social order and that is to not file additional appeal is it relevant where this this new hire scheme predated any of those things mr do was making extortion payments far before the before anyone accused him of disturbing the social order and in fact that  who would you say the evidence if anyone is the person who's motive we're looking at who is that person and these facts here are i the the core is well for full disclosure and this this is something that i don't think is dispositive issue one way or another in this case there is mr du never explicitly testifies that there's any link between officer ma and the officers that ended up arresting  him i think it's fair to assume that there there is some connection there however these are the same group of government official that might store for years and took items at their leisure forced him to pay tens of thousands of you on  that were merely trying to protect their criminal enterprise in matter of and also as as your honor recognizes corrupt officials who are motivated by a desire to seek revenge or a desire to avoid exposure of a profitable scheme or not acting based on concerns over an apple can political beliefs they're acting on and this is the agency's finding here a desire to keep keep the money swelling and mr du was a willing participant government officials sought money from everyone in his community to use the exact words not just me but my colleagues my friends and my relatives and he was targeted because he could pay he did pay and presumably he would have continued to pay the song said that mr du now puts forward a another alternative perspective doesn't meet his burden to show that each of these findings is not reasonable and fact considered the evidence a whole which rests a primary on mr druce testimony and also his act that the country reports as well and came to a reasonable finding that his history of multiple payment significant payments to these corrupt officials way before he was arrested and way before he was told that he couldn't file additional appeal that he was to take the painting in th review of the evidence in the immigration judge's decision goes into significant detail but even so that there's a presumption not the immigration judge think that all the evidence before him whether or not he explicitly  and i'm i'm happy to continue discussing why the huge and the decision was reasonable under the circumstances and specifically because of the years of payments mr du made before his actual arrest and the fact that it the rest of my time barring any question pressure your bottom your bottom line is you know this is all factual maybe to come out there for way but it didn't and essentially given the standard view that we alternatives alternative perspectives in this case and in the board even acknowledge that but that simply showed that that the immigration judges findings in the end w one reasonable i take away from the evidence beforehand the fact that there were so many payments backing significantly before any type of alter cation there just it can't be shown that that it  undermined mr dews argument that either he was at some point expressing a political opinion or being perceived as opposing corruption where to make these types of ongoing pain and and again as the as the was happening here was a chipper that he was disturbing the social order that's right there was rampant corruption my client always went along with the previous and that's the social order and then he said hell no i'm not doing it and that's where they say hey you are disturbing the social orders you're thrown out the holes you're trying to defy the whole system that we've operated d on that you cooperated with for years in social order where the rampant corruption pay you let the these guys do whatever they want to you and my client said no no you are good you are good passively but how can one statement take on so much or bit well oh number one it clearly dead and nd it wasn't just one statement he then proceeds to file two appeals including to the security bureau challenging  is not one statement what what it shows is my client showed is that terminations to follow up by filing these appeals so this is a challenge to the social order that is political there is nothing in the record to support any other conclusion in the only way you can reach the conclusion the judge did it if you don't consider the whole  that you're disturbing the social or that you don't that in fact you don't consider that this or that there clearly was a system of corruption and this is saying no mr du said no more and this does throw the whole system into chaos and they had to put him down and that's why they said you you know you'll all be released you agree you're never going to do this again so in my view if you at the entire facts as opposed to selectively the way the judge did you cannot you can only come to one conclusion and that is that mr dews challenge to the corruption practice was as the persecutor of self said unspirited in the record i challenge to the social order that of course is political and therefore there is a claim here for political or out of political persecution because mr du was challenging the social order of china and it should be remanded back for an evaluation of the credibility issues which never that's why the board it is there is no possible other way of looking at it once you take in the description by the persecute that he was challenging it was disturbing the solution for corruption it's thank you very much submission and will get a decision out as soon as we can with them both appear excuse think you