again everybody welcome to a special edition of time out for sports talk here live on monday october the twenty eighth two thousand and thirteen and we will be here live for the next sixty minutes as the unofficial pre game show to world series ga number five the red sox in cardinals playing at busch stadium and we are very happy you could join us here this evening on the phone number to call six one seven four eight four two four four three if you want to get your your pregame thoughts in or just your comments on the series so far it's been everything you could expect and a whole lot of things you didn't expect and we're happy to be bringing you this pre game coverage here this evening for the next sixty minutes you can also if you're following us on twitter send your tweets to us t twenty eight o c t twenty eight that's of course the date here tonight for game number five again as i said i've blown ers and we'll get the panel introduced here a how you mcclellan always good to see you here in the co pilot's chair right an hour early tonight just so we we aren't going to miss any of the game or very little love it and we're here and you know it's always fun you know you schedule the shows during the world series you figure well what are the odds the sox are going to be in it but well here we go i know you know that  a night anyway well you know i can always wear the right here for the marauders anyway so yeah so here we go i mean game number five this is what a crazy series this is been the last two games and say listen alone have been enough that we could probably spend the whole hour talking about it and i mean jeez where do you guys want to start i mean what are you guys thoughts on the series so far is it just the unpredictably crazy what do you think great baseball enjoy it i mean i enjoy close games i mean i love it when every pinch and every swing mean something you know that i mean i was laughing i didn't realize the first game was actually a blow up with everything else has been you know tight you know but how long ago does that game one feel b b s where you forgot about well i probably because i haven't been sleep but i mean if a lot of people talk about baseball be a boy well you know what watch these last two series that the red sox have been playing baseball isn't boring if when you hinge on every pitch in every to eight in eight to seven all these games he didn't hang on every pitch but when it's two to one three to two three to one and it's three to one and two runs around base and if it's all money earns it it's like whole you know this is this is this is clutch is a scratch can they put in sort of waiting for the home and also it's like well can you put two hits two singles together both teams really aren't doing it so it's like you get the one hit get a run or two and then that's it so that's echoing what you said it's every pitch every pitch counts go back to the detroit series i mean there were games where the they got two three hits the whole game you know that you know they pull off and get a big hit and win the game but i mean it was that that hits with such a premium that every and you know then you've got to start thinking about pin trading and double switch and i think it's i think it's so much better because of all of it's been asked yeah yeah i don't know i mean i gree with the purity of the respect but as far as the  double switching part of it i you know i'd be just as happy if there was a d h in there i think you know it sort of the red sox would be happier because they doubt ball flow or t's add apollyon line up at the same time that would be a plus for them but you know and the other thing you have to think about here is the red sox really haven't hit since the end of the tampa series i mean if they had two and two in the l c s against the tigers there hitting one hundred nine through the first four games of the series against the cardinals now obviously they're writing into you know superior pitching here but you know how much more can you expect it for been to do that i mean there's you know at some point i mean you're going to need office from somebody else because the cardinals can pitch around him yeah he might start to as well as that's what we always say pitching pitching wins championships and when it comes down to it i mean yeah you can know that as you want but you know you have seen in the last couple of series a pitching has made all the different yeah i mean st louis is top first two starters are great well wainwright's great the other kids is good actually has been put in no hitters and stuff but even even lin and kelly they throw hard they kind of have their own kind of one trick ponies but they still throw hard and then if they can go five or six innings then you go what is it rodriguez with a blowout you can pitch five games you know no problem so you're going to seeing rosenthal you're going to be seeing you know there are two great set of pictures and then and then the next two games are going to see kelly and wayne right so it's great great great great great on our side we're doing the same thing you know not pitching one inning he's going for five outs and you know it's max max you know there's no there's no let up anywhere now if it goes extra innings that's going be a whole new game whole new ball game and we'll see more of john lackey and yeah because of the set in the setup role it seems like both pitchers both managers are managing for nine innings and in so far it's worked out both ways but  old enough to remember that that play you know just it's funny that it would come up in a game three again against the red sox even though it was the right call it may have been the right call back in seventy five it was deaf to the right call the other night you know i have a question we you know that's a call they're supposed to make but you're i think you're right yeah i usually make it yeah yeah but how often does that happen usually it's the you know in the area play in the double play i mean if you know too often that you know that that happens but i  would say i've seen it in my forty nine years and probably thirty nine years of watching baseball probably seen it five times like which isn't a lot once every five years or something so never but never a big what now but yeah but they never call it out they don't yeah they don't instead of it being a thrown ball is a ground ball ok but it explained it the same way it happened you know so yeah you know again we can't we of course we can't cry sour grapes because you got to go back to the talking will you know sometimes they go in your certainly middlebrooks you know his legs kick up at the end maybe he's trying to keep allen craig the base runner from advancing but then allen craig a veteran player in his own right maybe you give him a heads up playing on a bad foot he's been limited to  would have been starting up at all early september when he got hurt you know maybe give him a little credit too with his veteran poise to you know he recognizes the situation tries to tangle himself up with little brooks and then continues on home because obviously if he stays on third base get thrown out and all of the close play so that they'll call me so if you're going to say yeah i just don't think that in the ninth inning of a world series game that that's your thought process i think a thought process is i'm going to try to school because the ball just got bottom line if it was if intent if they had to be intent to call the play then it would have been called because no he did i don't think need to say i think that was just the way he was trying to get up just trying to get his legs back up underneath them you know maybe go chase the that yeah i mean maybe one of the in one of the other problems with that play itself is of course you know why why middlebrooks doesn't get off the bag a little faster and try to you know the drill was off line i mean you could trace this back middlebrook should have probably made a better attempt to go for the ball then could also make the argument why was saltalamacchia throwing the ball down to third beta in the first place when they had already gotten the runner out you know well pajoy big secret play to start that whole sequence of events the ball from getting through the infield fires home saltalamacchia throws the tag on and then decides to throw  saltalamacchia in there in the bottom of the ninth inning when farrel missed the double switch earlier and then this gets back to your you want everything pure but the problem is you know john farrell has managed that way all year he hasn't had to do and now you're throwing a new set of rules on him you know the one advantage and i heard this earlier today one reason why the sox swept the series he was a lot more comfortable in that environment in the national parks farrel still kind of learning oh yes definitely is definitely a major disadvantage to the american league teams  plus plus on both sides because when they go in they have to that they have to change and we have to they know about all the stuff you just said when they come to america they get an extra bad i mean so you know they go from having a pet a pitch a bat to getting  another bad a so so it's a plus there and then when we have to go there we don't know all the little idiosyncrasies of the rules so the nationally definitely has a double advantage when it comes down to not letting us use the you know i  think the double switching in everything is a little overrated i don't know i think that i could do it and i don't mean to say that it's easy to do but i mean seriously you you double switch switching out of the pitcher picture you're putting off that picture spot as far as far along with yeah so you look who made the last out the second to last out in the in the in the last inning you know that's it that's the definition of the double switch  a stupid argument i guess it was you know blame it on sports radio they made the argument i would say you know i will say this most years when the nationally gets that d h and they have to fill that spot it's usually with a guy who's not very it's not like they have a built in d h on their  play the field they're limited they want to get his bat back in the lineup he hadn't been out since the beginning of september they're able to get him back in here because of you know the activities of just for the world series because you know they knew they had a d h for for a spot up to four games and they can get him in there and he's so far he's four for nine i mean he's been you know he's been involved and you know he certainly will be when they go back to boston wednesday night for game six so i think so again will will i will disagree with sports talk radio  i mean we've had this argument for it this isn't really the place for tonight but you know now that you've integrated both leagues together given an early game every day on the baseball schedule make up your mind just don't play like two different sets of go one way or the other right but make it universal you've got to stop it now i mean before when you only had like it only games for like two weeks on the whole schedule ok maybe i could understand it but now i don't really see the point in the national league is the last league that doesn't use a d h well they didn't an antiquated rule for i mean the level just join the crowd to change the is so it's not a question of either or it's a question of will they have the i think the owners have to vote on it and do well yeah well yeah of course and i don't think they don't want to because then you have some you being an extra sale extra ten million bucks a year for all the national teams and yeah y guys like that who actually could still hit the ball they just couldn't play the field so there was actually a place for them but now most of these teams most of the d h is like a two fifty it is you know they play the field more than they did and they  destroy them out there and give them a title is more games even rotate through the d h spot i don't like the yankees did that this year yeah you know trying to wrest some of their veteran the players so you know someone goes out in the field back to fifty guys you're talking about plays on the field and the veteran player who's in the field would be  know one for ten now boy that was a big hit and i mean that's the thing when you're when you're tied to two when you're hitting one hundred nine as a team i guess that you're getting really count and that's i mean the red sox certainly since the start of the you know the l c s against detroit have made all these to beltran because he because they said here it is ribs it took on a mass general and you know it in i mean in this series if you can get a walk or a hit by a pitcher or an era and then a single so huge rally and all of a sudden the good guys warming up and been every pitch every cat every ground ball that gets through you know you know what's true six one seven four eight four two four four three is the phone number and of course you can tweet us as well to dish a comment saw something out of them last night i mean one strange outing that was for me actually pitched pretty well for innings gave up an unearned run and i think top ninety miles an hour once on the radar gun i mean that's not what we're used to seeing  of all but he he managed to get through it and you know if it wasn't for the pitcher spot coming up maybe maybe they could squeeze another inning or two out of me like through sixty pages it wasn't as gutsy as performances as pedro's back against the indians in the play oh yeah  but buchalter is like this is what i'm going to do like you know let's see what happens in the he was going you can't beat him going to war yeah yeah i mean the thing is bucholtz came into the major leagues with a reputation that he could throw a lot of different pitches i mean he could mathieu master over four different pitches and so the truth is he can beat you without having to throw ninety miles an hour or ninety five and you know we saw it we saw it last night now here's the question i got to ask you guys if we saw  that they were going to leicester they're going to bring him in the game for because st louis has trouble against lefties write like throw in game four then go throw in game seven you know and then you start thinking like well he won't be one hundred percent need again so  percent same both games well you know well does the math work and like every pitch counts in the three to four two game lester at ninety percent i don't know so maybe they obviously they did it the right way they could have bought the one and they won  i'm just thinkin maybe this is second guessing i don't know but actually that that's an interesting thought because in fact i think going into the series the talk was right they did the cards don't it left these so maybe this is the move they should have made in the should consider do brought as a starter of course jubran himself said you know before the playoffs started if you recall you said you know i really want to start i don't think i'd be comfortable pitching out of the bullpen at all which is great a great feeling for john farrell because he needed them in the bullpen you're the kind of had for starters and he wanted to go you know you want to go to the pen and you know keep him there keep a power arm so now let's talk about this the last two games games three and four do brought comes in you know pitches like four two third's innings i mean in the two games cardinals went for sixteen against them and again just kind of illustrated the fact that they have trouble with the lefties you know back to back i mean you know pitching a back to back nights as well i mean you could have asked for more out to do brought in fact you brought probably as one of your m v p s last night the reason they got to the point that they were able to pull that game out you know he was huge last night yeah i mean the fact that you know you had him and then you know they ran out of other relievers and yet you know again the throwing lackey out there for anything on his side session you had to kind of cobble that together i mean but do broad is becoming a huge part of that and all of a sudden the point that you'd want to keep pitching them but you probably can't picture tonight for a third str ninety three thirty pitches last night the back to back you know outing so he's probably out for tonight you're looking at him best case scenario now game six or maybe like you said dave maybe he's one of those options you think about pregame seven with p b maybe the two of them are in they can do but heck it could be p v it could be felix doubront it's probably going to be one of those two or they could say well let's start felix to bronze to have all the writing banners go three sixty six pages and they were all slow right i'm exactly like the knuckleball they actually said game tracks that would go during the game last night was having trouble determining what his pictures were because all those pitches were at least five miles an hour slower than they normally are so they could  and i think before we even look ahead to game seven league the question becomes you know getting through the next two games yeah and who are the reds actually going to their death brings its night game five john luster boy jon lester here's a guy i mean you know what i've always been kind of annoyed during you know over the years of his career i mean people say not tough enough for a year there's something missing there he doesn't quite get it i know he's had some bad spells but think about this he's pitched thirteen of the third innings in the world series it two starts and he hasn't given up a single you haven't given up  and you know he's another shift to that tonight he came off a great outing in game one obviously the sox got some runs formerly that helped but still i mean you know you're talking about the fact that you know he's put up you know he's got a five wins all time in the postseason which is the most by any red sox left a good start he passed babe ruth and bruce first so you know you're you're in some exclusive company that there have been a lot of guys who who've reached that many but i mean you know lester's been able to do it and he's pitched great this postseason me as a lifetime we are in the you know season but it just never seems to materialize he you know but in the playoffs he shan't yeah he i mean he let's look at i mean physically he's got you might have the perfect body for a pitcher you know six to six three and he's left handed and he can throw hard but he also has some control in it's just it's great so when he's on he can be perfect perfect here you know no run seven innings eight innings you know throw hundred twenty pitches and it seems like if he's a little off it's like he's a lot of majority of innings the rest of this world series he'd be in great shape but they're going to have to go to some other guys and i guess the question now is as you cut a look over the rest of the bullpen here brad lowell i mean boy he pitch so well for so long but it looks like in the series he's literally you know he he scrambled he was using everybody you know it all started with wakefield sacrificed his start so you could picture the game you went into game three you were talking i was in for the show and i was up wanting was yeah they're good jobs ok yeah he well he saved the team and then then you know yet derek lowe with that point was ready to hit free agency was a an afterthought they had a pitcher in game seven because they had nobody else i mean it's going to be a you know like i said the series of going the woman and i actually think it well i mean who knows are you going to see how there might be a joe but like let's say we have out of whatever we just have some veteran brother in the air let's say let's just say we have a good veteran quarterback three years from now with this team we're looking at six in ten or worse well because look at it it's also decent and they can run the ball i mean but unspoiled for a long time yeah oh yeah oh yeah i know that well that's what i'm saying and where we're watching it right now because and we're winning these games and it's you know mainly because we're making a play or two on defense and brady can somehow put together a few series he got shut out in the first happen the second half he he put a few things together we ran the ball a little bit we threw you know a couple good passes a couple of penalties young guys you know but i mean but your core your main core that you count on it all to work it may have done for this year that's a huge factor there i mean you're counting on them to to help that defense that they had been playing well which actually makes the second  don't scream when they get there and that's little claassen both figuratively and literally you know important that right tackle spot i mean he's out of it a career of chronic back problems but i mean something like this weekend obviously this is you know a fluke injury like this you can't see coming and now you know they got to insert marcus can who i guess is actually bigger literally than than vollmer but just doesn't have the same experience and certainly getting the depth of the patriots is being tested here and you know it's tough i mean the one thing that's encouraging about the comeback to a lot of things one of them is i mean they ran the ball thirty seven times they only passed twenty two titans i was i would've been happy with like a fifty fifty split this is always going well when you call it a backs only close to twenty five yards in the first african see why they try to run the ball you only through four hundred sixteen in the game i mean you know you have the comparatively but you know yeah but you know you can just you know you're watching that game you're wondering how the heck are they coming back in that i mean breaking through the one pats to dobson and then you know watching first the the dolphins missed the field goal that would've put them up seventeen so it's to score a game then they get the t ouchdown pass to dobson and then the next series miami you know there's the strip sack there logan ryan comes in makes the big play they recover i mean and then just a you know bizarre series then that you know talking about more crazy calls about that you know the call where they you yeah yeah you know well i mean they're probably lucky here i don't know if we have the november patriots schedule we could pull up but i know that you know they've got a couple breaks here they're going to get pittsburgh and they have a bye you know who would have been who would have ever thought beginning of the year would be saying we get i know game come and we got pittsburgh and here we go  will yeah they get so you get pittsburgh at home next week then a by which i think is going to be welcome footloose on the by right you know they could go into that by seven into in fact they should go into that by seventy eight and then they're going to beat the steelers have just been a train wreck this year go figure you know then they come back with you know monday night into sunday night game back to back carolina and denver i mean they could be you know maybe even two going into that denver match up which i don't like carolina also going to i think they're bad match other scary part though is you know you're hoping with the defense suffering these injuries that the office might help pick them up and you kind of expected that yesterday and again you've got him and dole out there on the field and you know the often still struggled once tomkins had one target no catches dobson you know got five targets caught for including the touchdown but yeah i mean he actually only targeted green koski five times because like every time he threw his way he was throwing into a double or triple team is forcing it in there and  kind of struggle along here the rest of the year and try to you know i mean i don't know many more healthy people they can get back it might be less who could stay on the rest of the year unfortunately well look at the way they're playing right now i don't see them going to deep in the playoffs  mean denver's tough and in these tough kansas city yeah kansas city undefeated city and there's no there's no way i mean i don't think that the patriots are going to get a bye you have the first or second  we're we're less than a half hour now from first pitch yeah i mean this is you know as i said i mean what what could you really ask for out of the series it's been it's been incredibly entertaining it's been tight and you know like you eight as well there you go here we go lucas tragos says what are the reasonable options for the sox in game seven well there's yeah there's a whole lot of whole lot of them as we were saying could be jubran could be peavy i mean i think at this point you know if it gets to a game seven i know you're rooting for that da lackey probably not only because he'd be starting game six so he probably couldn't come back the very next night i think i'd be asking a lot yeah but i but i but if it had to come down to it he would maybe but but then again you've also got a lot of other options to add and you know lester would be the more be going to game seven i didn't get a chance well i did get a chance to go to fenway park during the world series and we're going to see the pictures here or here i am this is actually thanks to the fine folks at the b of c there was a conference on friday afford but if you can see i got a chance to get a picture of fenway there i am in the press box yet that i'm snapped a shot of me with his camera there so yeah we got a tour there was a tour of fenway that's  after the after the mass access conference get behind the green wall we did not they wouldn't detour didn't go that far i have a feeling because the world series was going on they a lot of tour got caught up like we didn't get to go down to the dugout and get even go on the field them but you can only imagine how quickly they come up but it's the best seat in the house the guy running the tour said you know if you want to do the law you know you have to get into the ticket lottery you get a mark that date in february when you get your name in and then you get into a lottery they go over a ledge i mean you would need to make it to the ladder you'd probably fall off the wall before you even got to the ladder to climb down doesn't mean some isn't a dummy to try as well over the seats a pricey so would probably price is the you know someone like me in my college to go cool course that be strong which is also been a huge presence i think for the red sox too i mean they've they've talked about that you've heard there you see it out there in center field nice job by the grounds crew they've had that you know highlighted during this world series certainly that's been kind of a big rallying cry for the sox you know i guess we found out during the series that you know a lot of the players had been going out and you know making a lot of trips you know they were doing that on their own kind of like you didn't hear much about it you know they were doing it without the publicity which is how it should be really actually you know but they really kind of you know grab we all obviously remember the game in april when they came back and they had the boston on the home jerseys you know david or would be laughing at the shifter the cardinals are using this is not nearly as exaggerated so it's a little bit i think they still actually have two guys on the left side of the infield but i think the shortstops almost behind the sag but you know but in the in like the madden shift what you see from a lot of male teams is they usually bring that guy all the way around so i can play in short field and right in softball in the shorts a plane like second base yeah right i mean right and some teams tend to do it you know they'll take the third baseman move them over to that short field spot other other teams will you know maybe move the shortstop there you know there's all sorts of different configurations how they how they do that well to hit it hit it over the wall it don't matter how many get the right side of the field out kick the coverage yeah well i mean there's you know the only power they've been getting from this from the series is ortiz and the golems homer last night i mean you know i got to say you look at this game tonight wainwright is probably going to pitch better than he did in game one you know and lester i mean you look at another two one game here i think and then lackey walk you know but boy you know bogart's you know he pushed middlebrooks aside i mean he's really done a you know this kid's this kid's got the goods and he's going to be something special next or you know they unify they're going to find a spot for him yeah he knows what he's doing at the play i mean he takes a lot of pitches which  isn't hitting but you need to look look what you've done with the glove it's been great but anyway we're running out of time we're going to remind you our next show is coming up on monday november the twenty fifth we'll be back in our regular tied slot eight o'clock you like just like you're used to