which i think i'll take that up joe and i had an opportunity to meet with the the alba cants and the at their architect with jeffrey and with spencer that was off work ten days ago and we reviewed some of the concerns that we had and  pleasant surprise that they came in with a couple of different changes that were noted by us and we thought they were good for the conversation we're going to have the see evening the orientation of the roof over the garage was changed so that it would give a little bit more sense of openness the sight lines and some of the visual aspects over from the neighbors some of that was raised there the existing sites that that's were not changed or altered and there was some modifications summarized pretty nicely i think a pretty productive meeting as raffi said in talking to the millers and to the computers we had a nice discussion and they came in with two different scenarios i think we picked one rearranged a few different windows i think he could take but at the corner where the neighbor had addressed a concern about visibility lines and by rotating the garage we lowered that by six feet so we hope to address both the board's concern and the neighbor's concern by rotating the gable end on the garage  information that we provided in the packet and also to address the board's concerns with some of the changes to design during the working group if it's gone over we rotated the gable end of the garage we changed it we both removed one of the types of windows rear of the house and then reconfigured the rear porch and windows so that they're more in unity with the rest of the home so that all that matches up which was voiced as a concern by the board of their last meeting the rotation of the gable end plantings and we've added those to the corners of the house to help break down the scale of the house from the from the front facade and birds questions about the volume my client brian computer was able to put together a perspective from google showing how the house would look in conjunction with the neighboring houses in addition we added some pictures of the size and massing of the neighboring houses to again emphasize that given the immediate neighbors and the houses on the lake ours is even after this addition is still one of the smaller houses and hopefully that will draw some of the boards concerns about how many stories the house appears from the back and how large the houses in comparison to neighboring properties  so so you're allowed up to two feet so even if he was up in conformity with ten and he went over by two you'd still be fine so to me the four inches was a non issue just to be clear about how we're going i think we would have had an issue had he encroach with the foundation so where he's not encroaching with the foundation to be clear that was my point so i think it's critical to the design and that's that's why we thought it would be prudent to only one be part of this discussion well in general we've looked at these plans and said we don't want to see increases in nine four maybe we are looking at a case where we are it is clear that there well for me they're not as i stated earlier they're not they're not actually although they are increasing the non conforming by going up there not increasing the non conforming by going towards this more into the to the set back so that's where i don't have the issue with it i think it's good design i don't think it's precedent setting i think it's a case by case review and in my mind they're already there writing a half a story because the one car garage exhibit that exists would be the one story so they're writing a half a story  allowing them to go to the stories it's a half a story they want to get a roofline that exists on the garage you could come you could almost say is half a story in itself just based on the way the gable goes so to me that was how i felt more comfortable doing what they didn't have to be very frank with you i think with their what they're proposing to me is is in more keeping with the new neighborhood because there's been a lot of reconstruction there and  i would argue that they did it i think they did a pretty nice job so i think that that that goes with with what they've proposed in general i agree with you joe but i hear your concerns list as well because you know it is it is pushing the pounds it's exceeding the bounds it's in terms of the non conforming and that's something that i tried to address or not i tried to raise one my first question you know in terms of the living area and the just off of the building and i think that these are it's a call in new territory for us for i think that and that balancing the equities of what they put out as a product and what we have to kind of contain ourselves with in terms of limits this is a concession i think that i'm willing to live with and be able to say there's a within reason jeffrey  know i was just a friend to give an example we just had a case before us i think it was amos wrote yes and i think that that was a little bit different because if you remember his situation he was actually coming forward along the same line and he was pushing back on the same line so he was in my mind really increasing that on conformity because of the encroachment that he had with these folks are really just raising height and i'm i'm not going to say that they're not because they are but in my mind they had if you want to call it a story in a quarter now they have a full story and a half so is it goes back to is it is it detrimental to the neighborhood and i would argue that it would not be so i think really no very large house we've said in general we don't confirm that we don't favor increasing conformities because then the neighborhood starts to get not get easily overwhelmed by the house and here the quality of design the special location time and so on has meant that the working group looked at this and we're comfortable departing from the decision that's why we call this case by case basis but that is what we're doing and just we should just learn from it so to speak nor great i mean i think that's that's what this was for me not as much a learning experience but if not then i would ask for a motion to close the public hearing so moved that i was in favor right all right public hearing is closed in that case for introduce yourself each time you come into the microphone please introduce yourself it may strike you as extraordinary that we could forget your name so quickly but we have actually not forgotten your name it's just that because opportunity to be here to talk about our project we've lived in belmont for the past eight years and we now have two children and for a lot of reasons we have really loved living in belmont and feel very committed to remaining here our oldest daughter is now in the second grade at the wellington elementary school and we are have really enjoyed about experience in that community and we both work in the metro boston non profit sector and appreciate the closeness to our our work and  to live in a nearby community so really what this boils down to is that we're in need of more space and we're looking at a modest improvement to our current home purchasing a single family home is as not feels not quite like an affordable option so we only want to make changes to our attic to add one bedroom one bathroom and some additional storage we've worked with a local architect to ensure that it's consistent with the neighborhood and other structures and we think that it looks like and feels like the general neighborhood where other folks have dormers on their homes so with that can turn it over to back to you on sort of and questions or anything else you need to know putting a dormer on either side of the roof we've tried to move the dormers to the rear of the house so that from the street the structure will look largely the same  and then we've also tried to keep the dormers small enough that they conform to the proper setback from the neighbors  homes on either side we did speak to our closest abutting neighbors and our neighbor who lives below us and they have looked at the plans and they we submitted a petition with our application of those closest to butters feeling that the project was little to them an architect is here if there are any more specific questions we have looked at the project in different at different angles and in order to minimize the impact and it's a minimal impact were complying with all the requirements of the set backs and have story requirements also so i'm all ears and ready to respond to any questions you might  it's perhaps that undoubtedly as you upgrade to windows ten there was something wrong and in any case well let me just begin in that case by so we're looking at a situation where we have enough good with ninety four structures neighborhood is defined by planning if you use the numbers and submitted by the at it in that we don't look at it generally just as what your uses given that it's a you know your family's growing i have one of those as well and if you know could be that things change in your lives and in the house gets sold  condo gets sold and my question goes to you know it will be you know four or five bedroom unit that has you know an appeal for more cars more occupants in the house and it's a density place i mean that's one of the things that wrangling with and trying to understand what the limits are and i don't know what the extra combinations are for parking in this plan i mean i don't think it was called out identified is there any additional parking much john bresnahan i wasn't actually clear on the parking question that you asked but so oftentimes when you increase the the the the floor space you would think that there would be a need also for it accommodating extra vehicles there isn't any way to accommodate for additional the so in this scenario we have space for two cars now and there's lots of on occupied driveway space in our current driveway is a tandem car situation for just you and your unit or the case for the other and if we don't park in tandem with the other occupant is that the question that was the follow up yeah yeah the other so it will be a complete flat roof in order to keep that seven feet in and technically flat roofs are not allowed or not acceptable to construct and it us to even look at for in terms of like for us to see like what's existing versus what you're proposing i guess for me the big problem and i mean i appreciate you doing all the work and i appreciate you coming before us but for me the big issue is  that because this pointed out you've already got a bunch of non conforming issues with this lot and on top of that you're asking to go up another two and a half feet so if you have it existing groups that you could put dormers on i think we could look more seriously at that or i could look more seriously at that but you're asking us to take the roof off the house go up two and a half feet more and then add dormers on top of that thereby creating a structure that is at the very tip of the top of this quarter allows us at least did i'm not saying that you can't wrap my head around that but what i'm trying to see is like i'm very surprised that you didn't come in with what exists on the lot right now you spent all this time to put together what you're proposing we typically in this on this board we see existing versus proposing and you have proposed and you were nice enough to point out what people have done in the neighborhood you didn't include your own home i'm just curious why i think i'm not really i m for me personally i'm not interested in knowing what's going on in that neighborhood i'm really interested in knowing what you're doing so i don't really care what anybody else is down there this is a board and we'd like to review what's going on now the reason why this is happening is because there's been a lot of examples throughout the town not just in your neighborhood throughout the town that have prompted town meeting to actually redo the g r bylaw so that for the mistakes we make wouldn't be made so for me i'd be more comfortable if you would release brought in what's existing so you can give us the opportunity you will prepare all these and bring it back to you before you before you do that i think we want to have some more conversation on what we what we try to do with the yankees degrees of success but what we try to do is to not have one idea time for the applicants that it's redo the plans and now we have another idea and redo the plans we're trying not to happen that happened so we appreciate your willingness to come up with other plans but we really urge you and if we can have an intermediate meeting with members of your board and the planning department we can address anything you would like to talk about today and again  current total living here i mean that because there's a conspiracy discrepancy of about three hundred square feet if it turns out that in fact your numbers are right you've been getting a bargain from the assessor's sounds if they are then this would change to even get the current numbers are correct and i think your point about small lots lots of non conformity but the point but this is pushes it to the end of a lot of house on a small stance so agree with that yes i think so again i'm mike that would be we're not ready to move to a working group yet what we do need to do is to get i think in any room we need existin the current stuff is there anything else that we would propose to move this forward that we are ninety percent certain will be useful in and think we may have said this already but i think we definitely need to see a section through of the existing there is a stair that is shown in here i assume that that stair goes up to the attic correct and so when you get to the attic floor what is the height from the floor to the to the you're looking for hadron clearance yeah yes i think we need to see a section that shows that so that we can evaluate that they are any options that might exist we do want to where mr as a a registered architect i would suggest that you could give detail trying to and you could encompass the square footage of the home probably more accurate and the assessors could do since you're going to be making the measurements we do have those numbers in our drawings  jeffrey your experience in these matters again we want to try to minimize the return visits where the conclusion of this is another return visit we try to avoid situations where the yes just to have t yes and then ideally after the meeting of the seventeen there were outstanding issues we would be in a position to move to a working group the result and then take it up with the first meeting in february that would be realistic i understand that may not be your ideal calendar but that would be a realistic  assuming but you know at this point there is a lot of there's a lot of change there i think your timing is perfect because i don't see you doing it for going for january so you're ok marketing blitz exactly and so the fifth will be talking about some roles responsibilities how will you we all have a trap jeffrey and i will have a graph power know but i think it's reflected there are a lot of denial letters as a lot of people interested i just think it's reflective of the time of year so we'll have it's not unusual to have a pick up maybe february right it's not unusual to have sort of a slow time provocations during the holidays between thanksgiving and new years it will be busy spring yes that's my suspicion so that's moving on that's the chap you have any update on the historic district commission and possible demo and i might have mentioned this last time with the consultant who was putting the list together of properties made a presentation she summarized her research at the will was two weeks ago where she was on that she had a den of five a number of properties her final report isn't out at this time what her report is done and it will go to the committee and then the committee will discuss what is included what is included in the list of properties that present the report on november ninth and january ninth to select and sort of in a draft form take the input and then hopefully be able to vote on it by the tenth as a committee and then submit it sure there after to the c c committee i'm very short timeframe lot has to get done within that timeframe and then right after that they will then have a draft of the demo to lay by law  and and every five list and so hopefully it's going to be coming out the middle to end of january they are definitely on a timeline to have something before a town meeting inventory but there's no i just want to just from a i mean i just wanted to but there's no there's no discussion of either of lengthy delay or anything like that because from what exists i think that would be of a far reach right now given the fact that they're trying to we had a meeting which i think and maybe morning of some while ago but them we're looking to see it as the budget is the revenue numbers start to come in then it's the budget season is going to be upon us so we meeting likely january exceed the number of proposals for funding is maybe three times as much as in the funding the funding has gone down as the state has made a lesser contribution and as more cities and towns are signing up for it so are the people funding this year is down to about two hundred twenty thousand dollars there's a proposal for from the to archive couple of other things but none of them none other than we did not act on any of them because we're still looking at it but we have a two step proposal process and we were looking at the first discussion was actually from directed toward proposals that had not done any private funding and the encouragement was that that there are institutions and banks in the town that would be open to positive proposals and so that i think there was sort of a general sense general advice given to all of the proposals that they everything so great all right pushing village the as we learned the last time we all of a the initial version of all  myself glenn as a director in the building inspector and or as the assistant who also deals with storm water issues have been really having been reviewing the documents as related to the special permit and also what as as related to the building code so we have met that with quorum and we did we conducted that review within thirty days that thirty day review was is dictated by state law and a perfect world by the state building code that demolition permit and foundation permit wasn't issued in won't be issued on general fourth day like the e mail was sent now granted that christmas and then again christmas and new year's around the corner i'm not sure exactly when that is going to occur at as a result of an e mail that i got back from him i'm not feeling that where there's a lot of pressure at the moment coming down that they know that they need us to share those demos and foundation permits a s a p because we don't have the documents to review him to deal with it  so the other person who is also involved is angela brought angela braun is for rector of the health department so angel is looking at the road and control and dust management plan now the fortunate thing with respect to those two documents is that they were can they were drafted and put together by nasa construction previously well toll brothers has signed on with n to do their work so those same dockets and documents and those same players are the ones that were submitted she is in the process of reviewing those documents she had previously we've approved them you know you can do is a good argument to be made that those would be approved again but yet she hasn't nothing has officially come from her proving that also in this mix is one of the foundations right that all the state and local state and federal permits have to be in place that is significant because that gets to environmental the environmental d e p issues so they have been notified that they also need to provide us with you know whatever information along the lines of all the environmental  to the general bylaw being adopted of the storm water to local storm water so we don't have that control however because it is a contaminated site they do have to do some additional work around storm water management from water control again that's another permit that they have to get from the d p so before glen is going to sign anything he wants to see all those documents together as well and they've been notified of that also has to be resolved and done in as well as angelus waiting for those angela has reached out to beloved also just to say where do they stand on the environmental into a mind of about all the environmental issues that are out there and that they need to see stuff because she also to sign off on the demo permit and ultimately the foundation permit and she's not doing any of that until she feels more comfortable around the environmental  so that's where we stand at the moment we're sort of waiting to hear back from them with some input on the building code issues that they need to fill as well as the environment absolutely standard procedure if you i have said it's conservative and i guess my question that i don't i do not this i say this in no spirit of criticism of the conservatism but presumably we knew we were going to be conservative here some time ago and so the question is when and would we when did we tell told that they needed to do all these things i mean i'm not again i don't want to rephrase it as if these requests are anything other than absolutely appropriate but when the deal closed did we coul them that by the way it will mind doesn't work like other communities you're going to have to have all the permits in place it's it was i was not part of the conversations of the deal closed but it is in the special permit is a condition of the special permit we have had we had a preliminary meeting said to the board you know one of the sort of delays they had was that when they started doing their due diligence they took extra time to go over the environmental and actually hired a new i thought they said they hired a new on speed to look at the documents to make sure that they were all online mechanism that they would then in turn going to be taking over the liability of the site  you know it's as i said the response from them has been sort of you know we'll get to your kind of lukewarm kind of thing so you know  you know i'm suspecting i'm hoping to have a better sense of where everything's about the journey fifth the end and certainly these the documents that you have with  respect to what you have to review and approve it will not change but those bodies that are reviewing the different pieces  definitely should have a definite of an update for the boarding journey fit and for me to hopefully be able to be in a position that you know any part of the yourself and that team are they the ones that are going to come back and say everything is here and we basically the last year was in line that would give us one yes because there were four documents ultimately that you have to review and approve that we make up yeah the does management plan in the region which will plan i'm not so much the phasing plan but yet that's also good to know where it where the contamination is and so forth and how they can do it all but before the so i believe we've previously my my understanding is that the first of these the decorum standards which we all have copies have been previously approved by the board and need not really approve them and we do need to provide written approval on that we will need a vote on that and then finally there is the obtain our local state and federal approval and permits where the already is planning board or its designee and my question for the word is is our plan to turn to glenn and say give us a piece of paper saying that all necessary permits have been approved until you have right until glenn says these are involved saturday and then and then once those are all said then he goes to you saying these plans are all set here's whatever you know here's a note for me saying these plans are all set in now you can then act so we will at some point get a memo from glen saying here is a list of all of the necessary permits they have all been in place and at that point we will say fine no yeah right and that list of things that the planning board needs to do unless something has happened in between the respond and we need time to review back to say that these are complete documents or not it was oh well i'm sorry i was just going to say it looks like  if we are in this back and forth thing particularly if it's in a state where is still being reviewed by town department we have a special permit condition that says commands demolition by the fifth third of february  and if we are if it turns out to something we just turned into one of them we have met the enemy and it is a situation we will need to revise that if the date is the third of january this is we do not want to be in the position of toll brothers coming forth and said we can't do anything until the stuff reviews this so we are working hard to make sure that i don't seem appropriate