doesn't know everybody  math guy and run down there at the end and mary to start we're going to try to to take things in in order if at all possible you have a couple of comments right just to give a brief overview just orientation to the meeting for anyone who hasn't been attending this is the planning commission review of the draft i'm ok community plan update the community plan advisory committee or c started review of the draft plan update in march of two thousand and fifteen and they reviewed the plan for about seven months concluding their review at the end of october the planning commission began they were view in november and so far we have one more meeting scheduled two weeks from now on march tenth shortly after that we will  add their revisions and hand the plan off to the county council the county council will then have up to one year to review the plan and hear testimony and  eventually update to adopt the plan so while this is an important review this is not the end the plan will not be finalized until it is seen by the council and they have an opportunity to review it and hear public testimony and adopt it as doug mentioned we have a lot to get through today we have two chapters one of them chapter six land use and housing is a very meaty chapter and it has the maps which really are kind of the crux of the heart of the plan as well as chapter seven communities sign to help the commissioners listen to public testimony and make recommendations to the plan we asked the public testimony given on agenda well that while the commission is reviewing that particular item so but if you're not able to stay for the whole meeting you're welcome to provide public testimony at the beginning but just for the the commission's ability to hear your public testimony and apply it to say the land  section or the community design section it's most helpful for them to hear your public testimony while they're reviewing that particular section or chapter we will most definitely allow for public testimony i'm sorry that's misleading yes just a  before we jump into that the planning if if there's no public testimony right now public testimony is closed we're going to jump into a brief twenty minute presentation use workshop that was open to the public that they had what we're going to go over is briefly just the state and county land use and planning framework this is something that the commissioners should be pretty aware of but we just want to provide some background so everybody's kind of on the same page and understanding where we're working with with the land use maps and planning for future growth will go over the land use forecast which is a tool for forecasting needs until the year twenty thirty five i'll talk a little bit like i'll talk a little bit about the workshop the land use workshop that the c pack had where they did an in depth mapping exercise little bit over smart growth and using these principles to plan for future growth in the community plan briefly talk about mix use which is a component of smart growth and how it can be used as a tool for community planning and finally just go over the packs final recommendations for the land use ma so i apologize for the clarity of the screen but hopefully everyone was able to grab a handout there are handouts of the presentation so the state staying county land use planning framework  for this briefly so that you understand where the community plan and where the community plan land use maps fit within this framework so the hawaii state planning act establishes a system for the planning and coordination integration of major state and county activities under the hawaii state plan on the county level is the general plan which includes the community plans and the purpose of the community plans is dipper ride direction for future growth they have a twenty year planning horizon so this plan goes to twenty thirty five one of the key ways that the community plan one of the key components of the community plan is the land use map which maps area for future growth with the general land use designations also important to understand is in count zoning county code title name team is where we have our zoning code and it provides the regulatory framework for managing land use in mallee county zoning is a tool to implement the general plan and the community plans and then another key component of the land use framework is the state land use law the state land use law it divides the lands in the state into four districts conservation agriculture urban and rural  the majority of lands are within the conservation and ag districts and only about two percent are with in urban and rural so how do these three components state land use districts community plan and zoning how do they fit together and how do they work so the three layers you can think of them on a spectrum of general to specific in describing the permitted or intended uses on the land within each district and region so at the top of this diagram you have the state land use districts which provide general descriptions of uses within the four districts and then the middle you have the community plan designations which provide a little bit more specificity with the intent of guiding future growth and then at the bottom where you get the most specific is county zoning which provides more detail to regulate the intensity of land use the dimensions and the location of development on a particular parcel of land so the three layers the state the community pla they work together to plan for future growth as well as to regulate existing land use but it's very important to keep in mind what level we're dealing with here the community plan with we're dealing with the community for the purpose of directing future growth we're not dealing with zoning at this level so just as an example this is a map of this is just showing the property boundaries only so then we'll put on top of that this state district in the red you see urban in the green is agriculture and then we'll add in community plan land use designations so as i said these are just general land use categories or designations and they have a definition in the community plan to describe what the intent of those designations are and then lastly you have and the zoning districts have very specific uses and development regulations so the community plan contains policies and actions which provided guidance to say the state and county agencies landowners and developers community groups and organizations but when our community plans actually regulatory community plans are regulatory in a couple of his instances first of all community plans are regulatory for change in zon if a landowner comes in and wants to change the zoning on their land it is mandatory that what they change it to is consistent with the community plan with the policies in the community plan as well as with the community plan land use map secondly the community plan is regulatory for discretionary permits some examples are spent specially used permits or special management area  permits when someone is in one of these districts and they are proposing a development a different use it has to be consistent with the policies and the land use map in the community plan so the commute plan is regulatory in that instance as well as subdivisions if someone has a large parcel of land and they want to subdivide they have to be they have to comply with the community plan and lastly capital improvement projects when the county does their c i p budget the budgets are intended to implement the community plan there are lists of actions in here and the agencies it's to the extent practicable they are to implement the actions in here ok so we've established where the community plans fit within the land use and planning framework now we're going to move on to updating the community plan land use maps and planning for future growth so the land whose fo cast is one of many technical studies which the planning department used to to to update the community plan in its draft form so the purpose of the land use forecast is to estimate the amount of additional urban planted lands needed to accommodate population and economic growth from mulcahy to the year two thousand and thirty five it has order of magnitude views of land needs  and it's simply a tool it's not county policy it's just a tool for us to try to get a bit of a crystal ball and look into the future and see what may be needed for land use just very briefly there's q three first we forecast land use demand based on future population so there's a population projection so we convert that population into visitor and job sorry we convert the population and visitor numbers and future job numbers into a grid needs to the way you would get the demand for future urban land and then we take an inventory of the vacant lands that are identified in the two thousand and one community plan land use map for urban type uses and we get the supply and then we compare supply and demand and we say is there a deficit is it sufficient or is there a so the conclusion for the land use forecast for the island is that lands currently available for development are likely to suffice to meet demand for resident and nonresident housing for commercial and industrial space and for visitor units through the year two thousand and thirty five so in other words the existing community plan maps in the two thousand and one community plan have enough land designated to accommodate future gro so we presented this information from the land use forecasts to the c pack at their june fourth land use workshop and gave them the task of determining if the existing supply of land is in the right places to accommodate the needs of the community some of the supply is in the path of potential sea level rise and coastal hazards a lot of the supply is in so to answer this question did a mapping exercise at their all day land use workshop on june fourth which was open to the public and we asked them to consider keep questions such as where should the community grow what should this growth look like and consist of how can growth straight in existing community is how can growth best courtney with existing infrastructure and public facilities to be more affordable can growth the best serve the needs of people existing and future populations and how can affordable housing be provided so another tool that we gave the c pack was we talked about smart growth so what is smart growth basically it's building communities with housing and transportation choices near jobs shops schools for the purpose of providing for community needs including affordable housing and supporting local economies as well as protecting the environment so just briefly i'll just run through the ten basic principles to guide smart growth strategies number one direct development towards existing communities to strengthen existing communities and provide efficiency and make use of existing infrastructure to preserve open space farmland natural beauty and critical environmental resources three provide a mix of land uses this includes single family a multi family together neighborhood serving commercial and residential areas very limited residential and commercial areas as well as parks and public uses for take advantage of compact building design allowing for less land consumption and integrated open space and more transportation options and five foster distinctive attractive communities with a strong sense of place basically maintaining the character the rural character of the small towns six create a range of housing opportunities and choices which can respond to the changing needs of the community and promote affordability seven promote a range of transportation choices eight create walkable neighborhoods building communities for people not cars and providing sidewalks and bike paths where appropriate some areas are not appropriate but where procreate to provide connectivity between different land  housing in chapter seven community design as well as throughout the plan so another tool we discussed with this deepak to plan for future growth and encourage smart growth is mixed use residential a new new mixed use residential community plan designation so the existing community plan designations which are in the two thousand and one community plan which are in all of the community plans for maui county there are quite narrow and specific you've got single family multifamily commercial except aura mixed use residential allows for makes you know of compatible land uses for the purpose of providing a more complete community where you could have single family small and large duplex apartment within walking distance of say a corner store or a laundromat or park so the definition of a mixed use residential in the community plan is that it invasions primarily single family family dwellings but also including a mix of park commercial and public cars a public uses whereas light industrial  residential in their recent community plan update to allow for the growth of the town over time and allow some flexibility for the talent to grow and kind of mimic the land use pattern that they already have in london a city which is quite use and in their community plan they have a narrative description that specifies the intent and the vision for the area that's identified as makes use residential wonderful example you have a mix of residential lots of parks you have neighborhood businesses as well as public uses you have different land uses all within so essentially walking distance and the mix produces more of a complete community rather than segregated land uses just briefly of a couple photos to illustrate vertical makes a uses the next couple of pictures are in the hyena they're not currently mixed use but in the past they were where you have residential in the top you have commercial on the bottom this is a very standard way for towns to provide for housing second pictures the same residential on top commercial on the bottom and so a lot of new developments are kind of bringing this back and seen the benefits of mixed use this next picture is just a modern example in key hay along south key here road where you again have housing over commercial and this building serves as a transition between more of a can peer commercial area and a single family residential area you have grocery store and medical buildings across the road and then you have  apartments and single family on the other side so these were some of the tools and some of the discussions that we had with the c pac and the land use maps were discussed at numerous deepak meetings i think at least six or seven meetings  primary topic of discussion as they should be there was a lot of discussion about the potential impact of all rise will have on the specially and konica guy and the southeast shore line this deepak wrestled with the question should the island's population and commercial center move mouth over time after much discussion this pack decided not to designate an alternate area to transition the town malka over time this is something commissioners that you could decide it's on the table ultimately the decided that the existing land use the existing areas designated in the two thousand and one community plan will accommodate growth there was once the pac recommendation for  residential to the c pac as a tool as something for them to consider to use to accommodate future growth many of this deepak members recognize the benefits of mixed use well others were concerned about  it some of the reasons that mixed use was mixed use residential was supported by some sea pack members was that in the existing community plan the mt a low a project district calls for just workforce housing only residential no other uses and the sea pack talked about and that makes use residential would allow for a mix of residential types neighborhood serving commercial parks public wasn't public more of a complete community they talked about if the lodge reopens there could be more need for community housing in mt aloa if the existing areas that  identified for commercial if a large opens over time those could cater more towards visitors should there be an area that caters more towards the residents that has your small grocery store your laundromat next cetera so the sea pack saw this as an opportunity to provide an area if model needed to expand over time that of that allow it to continue the pattern of the community and not be just purely residential makes use residential allows for flexibility to respond to community needs and demand land use demands over time and in the community plan update in chapter six there is a narrative description that this deepak formulated that specifies the intent and the vision for these sixty four acres of them on a low and mixed use residential so that was the only change that the sea pack made on the land use maps and the planning department has not made significant changes to the land use maps so that is all for now do you do you have anything to comment at this point  we can take any questions or we can move on to our recommendations for chapter s ok so commissioners in your packet in the mail you received a revised chapter six rather than handing you out  sheet with just the individual changes since there was a lot of new text added we decided to just hand you out the new chapter so the changes start on page six dash five in the middle of the page line twenty with the heading relationship of community plan designations and county zoning so the background to this this paragraph as well as the appendix six point one which you received in your packet those are the account when the council was reviewing the community plan this was language that they added to the committee plan as well as in appendix six point one they revise the appendix and so we are trying to just be consistent with the changes that the council made to describe deliver relationship of commute plan land use designations and zoning and the appendix six point one it just has a table that identifies the relationship between the two and so we let the know the reason we're giving you this is because this was ongoing over the last many many months through c pac and we let sea tac know that this was going on with council with the luna a community plan and that we would be presenting this to the commission so that's the reason this wasn't given to the seed packets because it wasn't in its final stages yet so now it's the time to bring it to you for consideration to adding we definitely recommend adding it to be consistent with the plan many questions so project district was designed as a way to allow areas to develop with a bit of flexibility it's similar to makes use in the inset in the sense that project districts are designed to allow for more of a complete community and make scene of uses so how a project district works is it's first defined in a community plan there is a narrative description in the community plan so in your two thousand a long commute plan there is a description of the mount project district i believe is about three sentences it's very very brief and it just identifies that the project district will have workforce housing essentially project districts go into a lot more detail that have a half a page of description so the next step for a project district is for the land to get the project district the zoning there is a design review it is quite cumbersome and i think there's at least three opportunities for public input to review the uses would be and this would go through the county as any changes starting with the planning commission so there would be public hearings like you do for any changes only it would also go to the county council for final approval which is a public process through this process we were asked many time does the mixed use residential take away the communities voice or opportunity for him put no it absolutely does not project district and makes use are just two avenues to get to an end result and they both have community input we presented mixed use residential as an opportunity if the wanted to consider it it's for the county and for a landowner project can be a very cumbersome process if there's any changes that need to happen down the road you have to go through all three of the steps again and the other as i mentioned  the other reason that makes use residential provided more flexibility and it was some of the members saw the advantages of it is that it was providing for more of a complete community rather than just a residential area so there are no areas identified from a residential community plan designation on hawaiian homelands that's a very unique situation and it's not the norm for how land would be developed so yes when it makes use residential is adopted as a community nation if a landowner sees the opportunity and they want to identify their land as makes residential they would have to come in for a community plan amendment which is a trigger under chapter three for three for an environmental assessment they would have to go through the environmental review do an environmental assessment get a community plan amendment they'd have to get a change and so it provides the opportunity for mixed use residential but it does not open the floodgates to development it is it have to go through the development review process which has a community review component any more commission question island plan and then when we go to subdivide what we do and we do go through that application process through the county we declare zoning to the county so we basically say we are willing to  district boundary amendment and i'm sorry i failed to mention i did and sorry i missed that component they would need a district boundary amendment from the state to urban yes the other thing is i was reviewing your minutes the project issue to mix use and then figure out how you might proceed if not you may want to leave it as it is but thank you for putting down on the record because what was described in the sea pack they're talking about aloha i am madonna di sawney and i actually spoke at another meeting and it was as a result of a meeting with a look at the community who actually did were adamant about not having a mix  on a ruling and the reason for that is that with the ranch there has been a number of things that have come down the pipe that has put the people in arms up against the ranch and a question that i would have is that if you are expecting to actually build and do other things why not take care of the coulee honor that you have been given now with the lands that are the air you know what about the everything is so deserted what about the golf course you know you're thinking about building more but why not fix what's already there in the infrastructure thank  you boy do i have a lot to share about this issue but i'll try to be brief on this first testimony i'm really about balanced arguments not one sided arguments and i'm really disappointed at the description even though jan gave a great description to you guys input to design a compatible project for a community that's a fact that's what's currently done now whether mixed use is part of that type of land use or not is not the point that's where it currently exists while i'm not against the concept of mixed use in concept is not currently enumerated under the code we have no understanding of what we're describing there's communities around this country that have historical urban rural different types of uses we have no idea what this is going to look like we have nothing to refer to and i'm about making evidence based decisions ok not not emotional decisions about what we do at lang use in this community because as you read through all these documents you see a very close relationship between land use and zoning and it talks all about this new information which unless from lawyer with but how zoning which by laws enacted consistent with community plans of the county in the event that land use designation does not have a typical matching or corresponding zone a district and used it it will be a district will be established  that these things are all envisioned by the community plan this land use portion of our plan is real it will impact this community and my position as a c back member was not to take risks and act like i was in las vegas and making land use designations f and i believe that it is evidence in this county in all types of community plans way to way maui lani where the community had an active role in designing a compatible development for that community and we don't even know what we want to do we know we need strategic retreat so it's unfair to say that we didn't consider strategic retreat we just don't know about things like water infrastructure all these questions that we don't have an answer to make responsible decisions we don't know how big this is where exactly the best place is a for go we're not stupid we knew we needed to move but we need to do it the right way and we have to answer the questions first we can't put the cart before the horse when you know if we have money to buy the car when you know if we have gas to go we need to know if i go to the store i want to buy food i have money in my wallet these are all common sense questions is the same with lang use and so i'm disappointed that we continue to talk about this as one sided argument that totally supports makes us when it's a fairy tale right now unless we look at project history and i'm disappointed that you know even though it's in the community planning to respect our past community plan members that put that language for the ranch for that project history that doesn't mean us the only thing is workforce housing the developer supposed to come before the county and provide a proposal with heavy we don't we're not going to come up with prominent line use for things that we don't have all the answers and all that's the right length use so what have we done in the last twenty years to answer those questions on the painting point blame i'm just saying we got to do it for once let's get the answers and then do good make good planning decisions and the same comes down to this issue of mixed use in project district always wondered i never really attended any of these meetings because i was having to be at work sixty's a week twenty hours a day so when the decisions were being made i was told myself why am i not there and i don't know why decisions for us the future and my kids future i never understood that and i'm trying to right now i'm trying to educate myself now that dialogue going to be free and listen to you guys on this that does that mean that you guys are actually the society with with only a handful of us so i only see a handful of us here today and in this thing these two there's two hundred family members of it and when i stand there's about five outsiders we get plenty money to get to come live east and enjoy our life that we were born to live that's what is happening right now right we getting chased out of our land and you guys chasing us out that's crazy you know and i'm terje nine years old now finally coming to these meetings served my community for ten years as a police officer because i'm not going to stand here and just listen and accept all of us to me is crazy and i don't know what you guys my people what we being chased out we need to be educated and we need to speak out and tell him how we feel because are you guys asking us or are you guys telling us what you guys are going to do i feel you guys are telling us what's going to happen what we're going to do and for i have a letter i represent the by the people in their communities each label chapter topic people responded with an interest in a b writing areas in addition to each of the chapters we asked for responses regarding specific issues call for further public following questions arising from the c pac meetings those issues were water mixed commentary on these issues residents were free to express their own opinions without suggestion or buddy we maintain a neutral and the comments we collected indicated the general finding a little coy the residents were primarily interested in water quality improvement and managed programs for subsistence hunting fifty attend this particular event the residents wanted to see the east policy statement in food in the body of the throughout the plan as modified in the current draft they expressed a desire to ensure that the spirit and message of the historic east and policy statement efforts will be of assistance in the planning process  issues regarding the word misuse and i think you can help me with this and i'm going to use an example my fear is that i'm an entrepreneur i'm a developer and i come in where an application for mixed use and my objective is to make a small little snack shop and i just pick an area let's want to turn it into a huge cost see my question to all of you when we're using that term use where is the protection excused area in the community plan will have a definition as the draft is right now it has a description of the proposed model mixed use the area where you can define the vision what the intent of that area is what uses you want what you want primary uses to be you could identify neighborhoods to bring commercial regional commercial you could go as far to say no big box stores the description can be what the community makes it they had a couple areas that they identified as mixed use residential with the city expansion being the largest and they have a little over a half a page of description of what their intent is for that area and for that area to be developed it has to follow that description and  just to clarify it this touches on what you're asking as well as a comment that greg james cans and made he's correct there is no mixed use code in the county right now so to implement the mixed use residential community plan designation as zoning code for makes use will need to be written and adopted that will go in title nineteen our zoning document so that would be developed by the planning department with consultation with communities and a draft would be sent to the planning commission because any changes to title nineteen are required to be reviewed by the planning commission at a public hearing so any so the mixed use residential district if it were to be developed in the future to implement the plan designation would have to come as well as mollies planning commission for review and public comments and him put as other changes if i don't like to have and often when there are changes to title nineteen say to a particular zoning district the planning commission a planning commission has numerous times said we recommend x y and z from and that has gotten into the zoning code there are numerous incident that is kind of a case of zoning and how it is evolved essentially throughout our country decades and decades and decades ago our towns used to be zoning came around and saw that there was a need to separate uses we need to have the houses over there we have the commercial over there we have that the industrial over there that there's it's hazardous  uses next to each other and that really promoted sprawl it really promoted development of a lot and it promoted a lot of the automobile that if you want to go to the store to get some milk you've got  hop in your car you can't just walk down the street and land and it costs a lot of money because if you have these houses spread out and you have to put in the infrastructure the zoning codes are evolving where a lot of zoning codes where ours are out where they're very distinct and we have uses separated a lot of communities are recognizing the benefits of creating a more complete community with use of communities are changing their zoning codes to allow for mixed use so it's kind of an evolution that's going on in land use planning and it's as any change change is hard and it community and they are the residents they are the community and they're saying we do not support it we do not like it and it is the much of the island  it's still in the community i mean can't we get rid of it so as i noted makes use residential is presented to the c pac as an opportunity or a tool that could be some members saw the opportunity and they took a vote to change the project district and as i mentioned and as i mentioned mixed use was a very hot topic throughout this process and there were multiple votes that tried to change it back to project district but all of those votes failed they didn't have enough it is on the table now this can this planning commission can choose to change it back to project district if they choose to those that will go on the council if they do not choose to you can continue your testimony with the council and council could choose to change it if it is not set in stone if this plan is a draft we're still hearing from the community changes can be made moloch are you planning commission listen to  ok well you did you want to talk about six quite what ok well it's public testimony is open not six point one anybody else have him point on him put on six point one designation here and thank you any more input on six point one yeah ye the sixty four acres so the on the map where there is yellow and there's gray in the yellow is single family existing single family and the green is the ball field the mixed uses that area surrounded by the the red that's the sixty four my program manager that he had comments on my comments but i was unable to get my e mail here imo i might have to follow this up with an email to the planning department on monday anyway that is pretty much it zoning would be established nothing perhaps the developer from coming in and specifying what's in their best interest as a primary use for that land regardless if they have to commit further triggers and again ask questions whereas with a project district when they when they come forward with a plan for that area as far as community design there is significant input in their proposal with the community determine the best use for which considers the community and so i'm not saying that it doesn't exist at all i'm saying if you were to waited to project district currently offers a great is in play and in this what's sad about this what's really sad is that you have a community here that i share this with you before that there's trust issues all that had to happen is for the county to establish this first show us what it was as it is it is in the different sections i think there's independence as it shows the different types of zoning where our community could understand what was being proposed communicate the same definitions that would have been established under that zoning in the description for mixed use for that that land use designation and we would be able to see it very clearly how it matches up because it's a fact that we do have this historical uses in our community the problem is you're putting the cart before the horse here and so now you're hearing the answer no no no period and that's very unfortunate because we're go see our community having to come back in and wrestle with this issue again in the future when we have to look at how we properly address not just the large landowners coming in for sixty four acres or above ranch camp and what about our land owners that are in canada chi town where those those parcels are already designation on the land of project district there is no zoning in title nineteen for that project district at the time the community plan goes through the whole process and it approved the zoning is developed afterwards so to say that you have to have the zoning in place for a particular type of designation doesn't quite quite correct in terms of the process the land use designation is a broader category that you have first and it drives what the zoning is going to be so you can develop just as a project district you can develop a zone mean that is follows the description that's in the community plan for either a project district as it is now the project district or model low correct me if i'm wrong   a different type of where you could have some some neighborhood commercial in there and makes it a little bit more variety in the types of uses that you have  community in a position is what i'm saying if that was established first and everybody could see it above water transparent and it's easier for us to make an informed decision that's what i'm saying for another example a land use family everyone understands but single family is a broad category but in the zoning there is no single family there's four different types of residential districts with  sizes setbacks you know mount of land coverage and all of that gets into the detail of what you would have in those residential districts and that's the zoning that goes under the category the single family so it's been a difficult concept for people to understand that one is saying what is the intended general use of this land what do you want to see happen in an area and then the other is a legal code of zoning that gives the details that you need to have to make that happen and so i just want to try and i realize it's very we've had the same difficulty over and i understand these like the state is really broad with its four districts and then our county land use districts refine that and then sony refine so that even more so it's they are there they're different and you can have you could have something go forward without having this i mean another point i needed to make an effort sustainable life is one of the only places in a whole if not on this earth that we can live a sustainable and it's already difficult it's possible but it's difficult and if we needed the decision not you know it's going to affect me my kids their kids generation where it's go friends for everyone is provided with out with the outside world we can do that but we were kind of check in food going to chase that american dream and build a big house up the east yeah you look at me just like everybody else not only you know it's not only for that certain person with the the money yeah but great now that's what it takes only to people with the money come in and live you know that  otherwise one person cannot make the difference obviously you bring us all together it's great so be careful with our decisions because once everybody starts hearing about this and we do get together it's going to be this is going to be a my son and their kids to have to deal with not being able to survive off of the line the more people we've been bringing over here to more development the less water we all know about the harder it's going to be cause for our kids to live the sustainable life that we are trying about that's why everybody's here and it's horrible you bring in the good the bad the ugly ok what i'm trying to express to you is that i'm looking generations to c w fourth generation so just dig deep into your hearts because like i say we already know what the generation is going to be living i think i'll come back again after ok thank you thank you you know it has to be a small area and that's it basically but i think more are not i think more everybody is here for not what is mixed use kind of stuff because it is the way to go in a while it's not morally we don't need development more likely we don't need any kind of stuff like that on the side but you know i think everyone's concern is that it's it's a development everyone's very you know it's just well not at the bell it means more people more days in the i know when you get more people together you get more problems basically same as everywhere else where it's a small c equal so there's many of us on the east deborah have our lands that come from way before like thousand years ago so land use is really important as it came down to all of us from generations before our time there's a lifestyle here on more that's important that we remember and protect and part of a group called who a lot i know one night our president had a doctor's i mean our board of directors had a doctor's appointment and the president had to leave for one of her children's meetings or something so they were able to attend and i wasn't able to actually print out what i wanted to what we all wanted to for you folks tonight and three folks today but we also on the east end as landowners we have only one focus for native people landowners tenants  not concerned about general public i'm concerned about our people as they're in need our lifestyle is what's being threatened when we talk about mixing news that's like oil and water  island so that's why she said to say approximately what seven ever you talk about so that we realize if something happens on one side it will affect the other side if we continue to bring in  for me i would like to continue to see this lifestyle as many of us continue to year so i said to me when i hear these words of land use and mix i have a problem because i see that down the road my concern too i think we have a lot of lands and i also have him a grandmother of ten children graduating and going on to college and i'd like to be able to continue to see our children be able to come here and find that serenity find the peacefulness that they need to my children in the military people who live in china i have children all over the world and so i thank them for all the wonderful work they do out there and i tell them don't forget to tell them you come from humble beginnings we live on the east end we come from humble beginnings and so she may make six digits  in college works for the chinese government and so on when we talk about mixing things on the where i met i find myself as a subsistence i really really do live off the here and when you bring in a dominant culture like the western civilization western thinking and ways we clash right away and it's not how many people in america even or the you know that we can actually say they understand like people here we're raised believing that fish hear us talk so when our children are small we go daddy going fishing all the nets come out everybody who lives on this island knows that it's a tradition we teach our children from generations to generations to whole model so the deer don't hear us and the fish don't hear us that's how close we are to our lands here it is a tradition there isn't a single person in this room that has doesn't know that i felt compelled to really like i said i think we'll probably a tend i know we will attend the next meeting as like i said our people are not able to attend this one and i'm the only one here right now but i'd like to also reserve time to be able to talk again under public testimony after hearing the east and policy statements that we've visions again we also from the east and made our policy statement  concern is the language you folks are using and i don't want to be administratively discriminated now sometimes people just go is that hawaiian thing again that's called administrate of discrimination as far as i'm concerned when we're not putting it on the very first page we're missing more lifestyle right now we regulate our own and who gets arrested us who gets in trouble us for saying can you please stop chasing all the fish away land owners and native tenants and their families and saw we have many nationalities who think my grandfather's from a while and my maiden name is pettigrew but nevertheless nevertheless not all is is that is not my ancestors who are in trouble my ancestors who are in trouble are of native hawaiian ancestry and are native lands so i asked to keep that formals i mean everybody knows this is the last stronghold applying culture and hawaiian lifestyle that's what i'm afraid of if we're going to mix well i water we're going to change the lifestyle and we can change it will drastically and that we are islands and not continent also i'd like to see more in our plan do you guys know how much it costs for us to send our debt off the island and how i don't see nothing in this plan that talks about any infrastructure that brings in a criminal tory someplace to help us  our people cost us big money you know and we go to all our go to big that's not ok life and death would say so i'd like you folks to really think about that ok don't forget to put that in and help this at a ten fifteen twenty year plan and this is going to be a long term plan his plan that's utilized for planning purposes and the intent at least from my motivation behind supporting the makes use land as a nation is at some point the resort area is going to be built up and the only available commercial area in monaco a town will be the commercial resort rate rents so any tenants will be paying that premium price for resort retail space and that that cost of that rent will be passed on to the model or local residents so the intent for the mixed use was to allow another area where supporting businesses to provide goods and services for the local people would be able to set up shop and not have to charge resort retail prices to the local people otherwise once the resort areas developed all the reds are going to go up the tenets the store the shopkeepers are going to have to charge more so unless the local people among the lower want to pay resort prices for all their goods and services their only option would be to come to conoco town so at least from my perspective that was the motivation behind that and i just wanted to share that with you and i think you for your time will be moving to arizona to move into dallas california places where we will win holy is the last place where you can see uniqueness and beautiful names and every can get that is on a positive face point so i just ask you guys to be porno make the right choices because what we decide territories again the same thing is happening in monologue he hauls is all over the place where he wants to run hunting grounds no you know you almost limit your hunting right there is a house you know in so we have developments going top you're gonna right there no more development no houses up you know you have to provide our people with food and we ok i think it's time to close public testimony at six one commissioners case may be and i guess you could make good points for both there are certain key factors that are evident in the differences between me and project there's a nation one i think is absolutely right that  there's nothing wrong with the current designation we have right now it permits for us to do the same things with the exception that it's a much more extravagant and ten us process so when you look at what does it does when you ask the question is there a time for public input to it there is time and a point where public input can be put into both but there is a significant to know the impact that you can put on current providers including utility providers public safety water sewage etc the commission ran into one of these situations on the apartment unit in manila can't even though the zoning permitted that type of use it didn't necessarily mean it was the best thing for our community and for our county and there was never a conversation to address whether or not public works fire safety those departments that are funded by taxpayer dollars and that have creative corps should have critical input on those kinds of projects to include do you have enough water pressure for fire suppression in that area so so i think that when you look at mix use there's a lot of different components that come into putting an apartment being allowed to put an apartment building on the top of the store  think what else is not being addressed right now is how does our tax situation change when you change from an appropriate one type used to multiple use i mean you're talking about mixing different of fire codes public safety codes of sewage storm runoff and all kinds of different things that i think you know at some point i think that we just have to take a look at are the decisions that we making are they really going to benefit or are they going to hinder the ability for our need of people to carry out their inherent responsibility and when we start to make decisions like this are we really what standards or measurements are we basing this on on a nationwide westernised standard or on an indigenous island standard and i think this is one of those situations where it's up to us to look at it and really think about this there may be a time in the future i just don't think we have enough information right now and this is not the time to do it i've been advised by counsel but i was already of mind to vote my own heart condition i work for the ranch but there will not be a conflict of interest when come time to vote the ideas a sound one but as it's been said many many times it's wrong time and it just may not fit this  ls threatened to be shut down national year because of the attendance of kids in the you know the lack of staff so i just feel if you guys want to do something again that is already existing let's do it for the schools where the for the kids that's a good development idea to come up with the school is going to be shut down because of its facility in any kind of fixed it up a little bit you know where we are our the kids have so let's think about that years one development and bring that back you know i don't know how that works at the schooling is a different process but just the suggestion you know the school is make the school so the kids can get you're trying to and i appreciate that i really do so suggest it is develop the schools let's get better education for our kids to we we not we not developers are we not develop so that's wrong it's not point you guys get one chance to choose and make the right choices you guys are our dogs and know what is right from what you guys choose when we flick back on you guys one healthy environment a healthy market can bring health good health to the ocean and when you get the balance in the eco system between the mountain and ocean you get healthy people and that's was asked once upon a time now we dying of heart disease designations and county zoning and again the reason this is being added and it was added in by council in the a community plan and it is simply just a clarification of how the community plans and zoning relate and this is existing practice this is just providing clarification and it runs on to the next page our second recommendation is on page six in the middle to add table six point two and you supply and demand to twenty thirty five this is from the land use forecast that i spoke to where you analyze supply demand and whether you have a  deficit or a surplus so this is just factual information the next change was around six dash seven but given your vote that you just took to take out the makes use residential of monologue and reverted back to product project districts this description page six dash seven lines one through fifteen would be deleted and the project district description that's in the two thousand and one plan would be added back in the next changes on this page again line seventeen through twenty sorry actually seventeen through thirty nine the figure estimated additional housing unit and population capacity in just a paragraph describing what the figure is and again also given your vote to take out the model of makes use residential this figure would change again under the model lower housing units and persons recommended change is on page six dash ten policy nine we recommend to delete the end of the sentence the policy read discourage developing or subdivided the subdividing agricultural lands for residential uses where the residents will be the primary use in agricultural activities will be the second secondary use we recommend putting a period there and deleting warranted by slope or sea level rise and is not prime ag land we recommend deleting this because this was added in by one c pack member who was concerned about living in subdivision and the use of land that's not suitable for agricultural operations but this is addressed in action six point one point zero five which says to research interview poor and highly slope lands for conversion to a different designation in lastly the last recommendation is to remove appendix six point one and six point two which are in the draft plan and replace it with this new appendix six point one which combines the two essentially and again this is what was adopted by the council in the community plan to describe your relationship between plan and zoning and this also would be added based on your recent vote on the second if you can find it i'll just give you mine let me describe it a bit ok so this table in the existing two thousand and one community plan near the back there are definitions of the land use categories agriculture airport business  residential x that are its are single family etc and there's a definition these carry over the definitions and clarify them a bit and also add the typical county zoning district that would follow and as i said this was produced out of council to clarify the relationship between county zoning and community plan land designations so this  recommendations to read and i just not i haven't been able to look at all the clear definitions and how they relate to each other so that would just be my comment just to clarify it we can take it up a new business agenda item and subsequent meeting so when you you have scales over here that you current numbers on affordable housing and sorry i was looking at it it gives it an untrue statement and i think it's not intentional but i think that what happens is there's no figures in here to show how many of those affordable housing are subsidized by section the or other programs a findings that make them affordable and because those subsidies are based on the fluctuation of government funds that's not a sustainable i don't think that's a sustainable statement going forward into twenty thirty five to see it there are that more than half of the island renters live in affordable homes i can tell you the truth that even with the u s c vs subsidized housing in our program where the average cost of monthly rent is four hundred dollars in the last three years pretty much eighteen out of our twenty one homeowners barely can afford two hundred dollars a month so i think one of the problems is and this may be a statement because i don't know if the county can do anything to change that but i think one of the problems is when you look at affordable housing you base that those numbers on an average median income for the county of mali well i can tell you that the economic situation doesn't add up to the figures that you have here when average median income is calculated highest unemployment highest welfare rate and be able to say that they have the best affordable housing or how do those numbers match up how does it how is it that out of two hundred and something applicants for department of homeland month and my in my questions is simply is not to argue is simply to see if we know more accurate information based on specifics then a plan going forward is not possible based on in accurate information to the statement on page six dash eleven and the figure on six cash twelve are saying that it's saying that if you pay more than thirty percent of your income on housing it's not affordable and so what the figure is showing is that fifty one percent pay less than thirty percent of their income to housing when you compare that to the rest of my county in the state of hawaii affordable or do you have a recommended change or i don't know that's why i'm asking the question of many things in here for future growth we better make sure that we have the accurate information and i just don't think so i'm reading through it because page thirteen for your six point four it's gross room so if somebody charges five hundred dollars a month that would be the gross rent if the people who are living in there receive a subsidy then that's not showing up in this table so it's just taking whatever that five hundred dollars a month is compared to the income of that household so if they  are if they have an income my math might not be that great but you know fifteen hundred a month or thirty percent for your five hundred and so they would be in the group well right on the line there  between less than and greater than equal to so they'd fall into where it was affordable under this definition so that the subsidies are not not coming in here because they come to about what the source of this document is american community survey and their five year estimates and they look only at what the actual the gross for empty is compared to incomes and then the other thing that's very important as you look at existing conditions on page six twelve line twenty five the majority of housing units on  forty five years ago and you look at that next page six fourteen monthly ownership costs as a percentage of household income well they probably already own their house so there's very few people that have a mortgage or if they had a mortgage it's paid off in those forty five years and so those you have to average all those people and already had their land already paid for their house inherited their house compared to the newer houses or build and it pulls your overall average down so in terms of the community having houses that they can afford molokai is doing fairly well because of that pattern of long term ownership ok ok do we want to make a motion to defer that before we move on got a motion i move we defer acceptance discussion and acceptance of the produce recommendations to the next meeting on ok we have a motion of a second about the fact that there are a lot of in development constraints because on a lot of land that is a lot of record with zoning it's virtually undeveloped couple because of the presence of wetlands in archaeological sites especially in minot so i don't know if you want to add that as a factor inhibiting the development of any housing basically not just affordable but i mean i know of a particular instance i won't say where it is but there was a parcel that was that zoned eight two on the stand and a planning firm reputed planning firm did an analysis on it and the owner was told oh you might be able to build a couple of single family dwellings there so there are cases where zoning doesn't match the actuality of what can be done there so i don't know what kind of language could go in to talk about that about reevaluating the zoning because it the stuff that is there was just done in a blanket way and the actual existing conditions weren't really analyzed sorry started thinking about it and i was wondering well we're not subject to code why would we be participating in this unless it's a way to facilitate d h l doing homeland so i'm not sure about this comment and what i'll do is i'll email the planning department on monday regarding this if i know that won't help you with the decision making now  but anyway so neither of these are deal breakers but just kind of wanted to put in their thank you anymore public testimony and housing and we talked about it i think i mentioned it to him to be tons of meetings and nothing has ever come forward about that and why are you talking about housing because it is changing our likelihood and the any more public testimony and housing examples of examples if you want to put another example in there and whether it's as this goes for ten years it could be that when people look at what you would like to have that even if it's on the line for be eliminated this gives you an argument to say don't women in it or later on it gives you an argument to say let's restore this have a motion check and discussion any more discussion on housing no not the only chance it's not the last yet but  just one point of clarification it was brought up in discussion but at this point in time that's not something that we would be making a decision on in the community plan and you need the community development corporation which is part which was part of so one of those statements i think is either wrong or needs to be updated i'll look into what it how exactly they operate and i'll see if they're defined and if so then you get i don't know if your proposal would be to delete six point two point zero five but we can look into clarifying that and most anybody has the specific information that i don't know i don't think there are any existence anymore i used to sit on the board  and and it's different organization right have the motion to take a break