my name is cindy bear and i'm here with what's happening in the people here tonight mark and kurt made and the reason i kind of stumbled on that is that none of us have any titles and we were asked what our titles were but we are mere common people we a public a little but there are intense negotiations going on in this week the for the original for bidders who have been keep beattie local it was a six to six vote in two votes but then he decided to invite the previous two that had been excluded into a four person for company offer and this week the companies are submitting stipulations is that before the council vote it's on the twenty seventh of think it is that the proposals will be made public this week last show where i think you are afraid that they were just going to make a rash you know quick economic decision you know having this additional time well it is do you think it's going to be beneficial or is it just going to be a pre determined i think that i think the law is not necessarily as good as having a real decision previously but for my plan i have a slightly different point of view than mark i was a fan too of the  cooperative and and i really hope for that one to succeed however i have a feeling and i have talked to some of the city councillors actually that that was never a real possibility although they were firm supporters of the co op that they were voting for the co op for the co op but also as a way to prevent it going to ting because in many of their views ting is a really not a great company very little experience with apparently telecommunications and was totally going to privatized the whole system and it was the merest first choice and it was odd the way the whole thing of it he he press for taking throughout this whole proceedings and there were better according to the city councils that i talked to there were better companies that were offering more money and more local control even like like sure's i don't know what that is but that ok get the co op and the call up was trying to get a more viable proposal and so this stall is i think good for the co op and good for everybody because if cheney had won it would have been a  current proposals are going to really be in struggle right away but what about us if it's a joint venture again with the better company when you put together you know i don't know with the capitalist model you know i agree with that i mean it is  socialism it is right you know i agree with that but anyway so you're saying from the get go this this wasn't kind of look at from the get go what i've been told again i'm not an expert on this although i bent all the meetings and i  watched it all unfold from the get go it was felt that the mare was totally biased for taking and that he really in fact he urged another one of those companies to withdraw in spite of the fact that some of these companies were offered more money more money so that's really surprising given the you know the attitude of just making an economically based decision right now he was i don't know why that happened because this company sure is and there  one boat for sure and that was kurt right and kurt's a republican but i often think that he is speaking for the best interests of the city of the city i mean i've watched him over the years and you know i know everybody says oh you know was a public waterfront as well but anyway so he favored shuras and so i asked him how common there were two reasons that i learned from him and the other counselor who was a strong proponent of that co op in the state department in fact i think he was a real kind of a hero he stuck by the co op till you know to the end and i think he might still but he told me that there were two advantages one that sure as was offering more money but secondly sure is offering more seemingly viable i still want to call up i'm just saying what they're what i've heard their thinking is and their thinking is that it's not a viable proposal and that if they could get more money up front maybe it sounds like you're saying that it was never a viable proposal it was never even under really under no no it was under comes of course it was and they and i and the city council are stuck though six stuck firmly with the cop and maybe they still will it's just that i think that the risk was when jonathan leopold did whatever he did capone can tell it come and i'll say what i think he did he invested in the co in burlington telecom and it's hugely prosperous now it has a growth rate they've increased their subscribers double and they've they're really in the black they're really doing pretty well and they have plans to extend why does it have to be sold the marriage saying it has to be sol capitalism i'm talking a bit about time out of contract correct what do we know i'm talking about something holding up in front of their faces right and that's the answer to your question no take the question behind the has a municipal ownership piece then it's kind of it has to meet constitutional requirements right if i and so we were able to protect down to zero english because we argued that the it could not be censored because it was locally owned and therefore it had to meet requirements of free speech if it's comcast are taking or any of these other companies they don't have to they don't even i don't think ha public access i don't believe they do so that's what's important to me and that feature has not come out at all not at all has it within the guy who was here f alternate media and i'm not certain that tng would certainly comcast and they're not bound to know they don't know it's a private company right it's a private company private corporations don't  those points that have been verbally made or the new level at which the war competitors this week and next week are going to be compared i hope so yeah but it's those kind of details well i heard you say it you said it fourteen i'm not sure certain thing is still in the offing as it is anyway i didn't hear any in any meeting that i went to and guarantees of free speech but it  legitimate because they're foreign agents why do we have to use public airwaves to support a force that has because it is that his position and mention and he doesn't have a position if you read if he says well i don't and i don't want this to happen but if he says that r t has to register what really does that mean what does it mean i don't know and probably i think there's a greater level of scrutiny regarding finances finances only or content now not on it respond in kind and i don't think that's a finished proclamation is being voted on in the russian in russia but right the i think the first and that and that in itself is going to bring up the issue of public that work and i know i know anyway so yes my worry is that free speech will be cut down if a company like taking takes it over that's really what i'm most worried about i mean it could happen even with the co op because the co wing station you know programming that wanted to comment with a co op bar that i don't know but i'll tell you interesting story about that too because as a result of the al jazeera struggle i was appointed to that because i got interested in this subject i was appointed to the cable advisory committee and i served on that committee with three other people and they were they thought of al jazeera english as fair as to pro arab and they thought of it as a terrorist network and anti israel and anti us i mean that's the way it was portrayed i remembered right here right so i was sitting on this committee with these three other people who wanted it off the air essentially and i didn't say a word i never said anything and one of them brought up well i want glenn back on the air and i said sure why not right get him flying and then that guy sort of said he sort of really question who the hell is this person right that she would say something i haven't gone back on the air and i did he actually called glenn back and said i have this crazy friends and he bared who who's on pro having you here so interview her and glenn beck show i was interviewed for that show but but when i when i said that i really meant it we have to guarantee free speech for i don't know the speech and i don't know about a co op i don't know right i mean that includes the entire spectrum right right what do you think i mean you know you think that they would follow that of did and that's i think predictive of the way burlington will the burlington keep local will vote on anything is free speech i would hope so i would hope so i mean there is i not to a certain degree the culture in burlington is reactive to the general push now towards censorship towards you know the kinds of things that trump is pushing and but think of what basically the democrats are doing about russia you know that's right you know that is shocking to me that they would censor right anybody associated russia right but hasn't that always been the case there was a brief period of time i guess maybe with a fall or so here you know when that fell apart you know it was because the promise at the time was that they were going to become you know they did russian you know copycat of the united states right or right and we should trust them because you know that these are old associations and i don't know i don't think yes certainly it's extent but i also think for once i agree with you about economics i mean it seems to me that putin is trying to make an alternate economic union with china that would be very threatening to capitalism it seems to me putin china if that became a whole economic engine is in the  controversial in the last few weeks you know aside from the war widow and all that stuff that was going on he said that communism worked in china it does but it's not coming as a hybrid but you know but still i mean with the marxist you know  literature and the flags and all that stuff you know that they still do have in china that was a very controversial statement for someone you know that high up in any administration in the united states to say something like that and he got a lot of you know crap for  is it though truly a comment in a well i don't know i mean it's not a first of all it's remarkably successful china is right and that's what i think that the u s fears is this kind of why is he so i mean the last several administrations going back to nixon were how while before nixon were hell bent on trying to you know create that fissure between russia but they are they appeal to and that's what's happening and that will distract from anything immediately anything else like you know what's going on i mean they want people they want to trigger you know people's deepest darkest fears during the course of one of the war  that to me is the most important that we allied with them twice that we were allies in a common effort essentially to stop germany what why is there is zero mention of that if that's not order propaganda the shows you that that shows you that you know our ally for us for them when they were you know up there was not our ally we had to maneuver so that the post war settlements whatever they bill with some kind of thought structure and when it's not really true you know it's true on the surface you mentioned don't you think it should not be mentioned that they basically won the war won the war i'm going to just put the question out there is this going to result in any kind of change our long term or is this a a a thing like everyone on facebook two years ago were putting the french flag after the terrorist attack charlie hebdo and now five years five years from now what's what's going to be different i mean to me what it seemed to represent was that nothing's changed right well i mean we kind of i thought we went through a round of this during the  where justice thomas was put on the same court and the issue of sexual harassment was brought to the you know to the mainstream but only with regard to the need to kill i guess i mean there was a lot there were a lot of women that came out and said that you know we identify with her we've had these experiences and there weren't going to be there weren't there were yeah there were right but it was all directed at the level of a supreme court n power and everywhere you look in the in the power in power structures you find so it's a very it's a very this charge that's happening merely a question is how does it sustain without getting boring i mean to me ok i didn't hear that one but now you know you have people on the right saying this is a democratic issue what no one wants to admit this is a male issue ok but you know it's easy to you know point fingers on that so i don't know that i think it's going to really change if if a woman comes forth after thirty years i think there is a little bit i mean it is great to hear from a woman i would believe her but what is the evidence at that point and it could lead to a trivializing of the whole issue also you know there is really could and there could be a backlash like yeah that's right you know if that's what i'm afraid of i mean in fact when trump was outed about this stuff no one cared at all what is the forty years after that's right and in terms of the evidence they say the only thing that they can find is that he was banned from a shopping mall you know for the fact that you know when he was district attorney in his in his thirty's that he would hang out and try to pick up girls in  ok but what does it what does it really say about the whole power structure in the united states what it says to me is that the power structure is still male right even after women's liberation even after feminism it remains mostly that men are in power right absolutely and i don't question right and i'm not certain i mean it's not certain what kind of effect that this is going to have on the i mean i'm trying to think of proposed legislation that can come out and i can't really quite think of there anything right i'm going to say beyond what's already in existence you know i guess the only thing you could possibly do is create a situation where more women feel comfortable bringing it shootings for god sake sure even if that's the way the media works i mean i guess so but you don't have a mess miss her arrest him and it's like if you can kill more than ten people that will get on the moods but when one woman in a time is herrera's then it doesn't get in the news no more than one person killed them you have all these murders and we're not connecting with miss killing right so you know what happens when it becomes invisible again we've had or wished that are sure i mean you know the media runs in cycles how three months from now if there are a bunch of shark attacks in florida everyone's going to be talking about that the odds of getting caught are getting to have to defend yourself but it seems like this moronic behavior is everywhere i mean or lower right you know the last two weeks yeah i would have thought you know even before you know people would've been a little more cautious before you know whenever this the weinstein stuff came out but it doesn't appear in oh people were very cautious there was a  congresswoman who just gave a statement talking about that it's endemic in washington d c in the halls that you know pages are sent to the congressman's homes and they get you know greeted by you publicly they sec did they're losing their jobs this seems to me has to make a difference it male behavior in public male behavior i mean people this behavior wasn't public exactly was  proclaim that you're going to start using slaves you know because that's here you know this is a free country so why and when something change in consciousness both on the part of  perpetrators on the part of the public in that it just behavior it becomes intolerable that wasn't intolerable before and i think i can imagine that this would have no effect it seems to me overly ok but they have not gone to jail and i'm not certain if it's a thirty year old offense that people should go to jail about it speaking of that one more minute this guy josiah leach did you see in the paper this morning you know who he is he's a he's a guy who who did the e mail crisis over in south burlington he e mailed demo yes and he was judge crawford sentenced him to maybe five years probation and he just violated his probation allegedly violated the probation today it just is terribly sad for me to think about that a black boy going to jail i hope he doesn't anyway so i guess that's it for this month and we'll see you next month i h