this coming summer early fall so we'll have some new data next year we did i did three is related to behavior i went back over the past three years where you see there are the discipline referrals over the past three years two thousand and eleven to hope should be two thousand and twelve thirteen sorry about that and these are the data referrals that come out of class it might might be really because you've heard for tardy to you you get a referral to the our alternative day program you might cut a class you have some some issue in the school of minor nature you see that about twenty five percent of the student body counts for tho mean there's a lot of repeaters in eighty five about eighty five percent of them are related to attendance tardies are the number one thing students coming in five ten minutes late to a class once that happens four times they pick up a detention why did it drop in half last year i don't have a good eye a good guess it had been on an upward tick of about one hundred or so more every every year and then last year o the other part is the more serious discipline we deal with and that's when you when you get suspensions and i broke this down into three major components suspensions related to aggression suspensions related to drug and alcohol violations and suspensions related to noncompliance what noncompliance could be a lot of things noncompliance is where tobacco violation would be noncompliance is also where a student is just flat out refusing to follow directions  know it is kind of a catch all category for us once again ten eleven through twelve thirteen ten eleven was a tough year we had a lot of issues there with many sort of big issues that year where you you know three to four or five students being suspended in one incident is when you look at you know i was looking at the data this morning when you look go back over the past five or six years it's almost double of every other year most years are in that that thirty to forty suspension number there was a couple in the in the mid forty's back six and seven when we were over the bigger school the aggression number is not just physical fights it's also threatening words fighting words anything that that is a precursor to to physical aggression so that's the behavior data that i have want people have questions are either one of the next thing i'm going to talk about very student community partnerships in general about date behavior it's a pretty you know i that in burlington we kind of might cue or almost ignore is taken on here so it it's a i think the behavior is pretty good it doesn't mean there's not any of the hills you hear about there there there but in general you know it's a it's a pretty safe place so i don't know folks have questions about that kids coming in school with the informant possession or were all three it's under the influence possession then distribution what's the most i would say the most common a police dog go through and look for drugs and markers i mean just based sniffing zeal we haven't used a police dog in my time there we've talked about it a couple times we haven't as of yet  it is an interesting idea but the last time we were really seriously thinking about the state police were a bit reluctant to their word about dogs hitting on cars it was before there was some court case that happened about drug dogs hitting on when i talked with other kids in other places is that there's a sort of a wide discrepancy between what the adults feel like the drug use is within the community and what students report so it's just wondering if our students here want  are reflective of an actual declining use as one would believe by looking at how many people were caught unless you wanted to take part and say kids are just getting better at not getting caught is the question are the suspens old and i was he was the class when i love him and i know in the past few years i think there has been a decline just because of the kids you like have gone to the school left in the past years and i i feel you know the younger grades quite i mean pretty well i feel that there has been a dangerous i don't like the number of kids getting hard shows that as much as there actually is but there's definitely a decrease i think you're going to see the decrease really truly they do a lot of great things for the for the school they support teachers but one of the things they do is if you give them the honor roll you get to get on a roll card so they go out into the community and they they talk to businesses to support any of you students  you know they get a letter from me they get a little certificate they can go up and they're there their place of business and it's a you know it's a it's it's good publicity for the school for the for the the business  a fair amount with working in our classrooms they've different people who are interested in different suits who have been interested in law enforcement have gone down to meet with with different folks down there you have medical school i have some of the research back in school and sometimes they do it all up there is a local college we were just talking with them about they're going to help sponsor our tenth grade day which is coming up in the spring semester  we've had relations with in the past so that's what i have for the just breakfast with the principal yeah you know i do put that up there i was trying to do think about the groups would guess i'm getting more and more return now this this past week in jericho this past month in jericho i had the table was full of there was one person in the back had to be at least eight to ten ritualism almost always and to fifteen from one thirty three two years three years ago to two hundred sixty three last year the middle years one seventy five the two sixty three number is a misnomer we went to a electronic form for teachers and a lot of teachers started using that form as to track the number of kids that they were talking to within their classrooms so that the two sixty three and we didn't disagree in pull out of that to sixty three kids that never made it to the office  but in terms of teachers we're going to keep using it as their own data tracking system you know even if you look at the two sixty three number is about two tenths of one percent in terms of total number of referrals to the office if you look at it you know every kid represents you know one possible three hundred eighty kids times one hundred seventy eight days is around sixty six thousand plus incidence and you're looking at two lot of that is not cool headed behavior in terms of roughhousing you know jumping on each other's back at recess not going to each other down stuff like that that gets put into the  week as you can see the beginning of the week looks a little rougher and usually by the end of the week i'm solution right away is that we can do it and we can we can share this with others that we can look at referrals by grades and we have a high point in our seventh graders here right now so we also looked at this is my current eighth grade over the last four years how they've done on our report cards we report three areas in terms of grade you know across the board our kids are doing very well you know above ninety percent in what this represents is the kids that on their report cards are receiving a three and four from their classroom teacher approving meeting the standard  is meeting this standard with distinction so across the board in all three three domains across time our kids are you know eighty five percent or better there is a dip in eighth grade in terms of you know students produce quality work you know also i mean it's you know and i you know i think if you talk to our eighth grade teachers they would say that they they're raising the bar in terms of trying to prepare kids for the high school and holding them a little more accountable then their colleagues in three to five six and seven i also think you know he's graders struggle more with some of the content and you know i think the work who gets a little bit more  difficult so there's colliding forces there but you know when you say you're still looking at you know seventy percent of the kids are producing quality work on an all simon's is a is a high bar of middle school i hate to say just one year you know because i think development happens across the board in all four of those years i was thinking more like what you were that you know i think that's where you know it you me i kind of see like the hormonal changes in accounts of right now like in six and seventh grade that seems to be the explosion of you know of like you know my my feet really don't go in the same direction as my school so and to kind of reflect on that dave is that our numbers are looking to go they've gone up from from fifth grade and i'm going from left to right here it fell fifth grade eighth grade a mark was going to eighth grade if it's great so again you know looking at here mark and i was just talking we were comparing our notes here and we were looking at there were questioning you know what was the reason is it as if it's the cohort of teachers as well in terms of that and looking at that and making sure that we are all working on it and make sure that there are calibrated i rise in terms of students produces quality work and all assignments so yeah we you know we all hopefully look for rises that they go through here the question is you know the whole heart that we're looking at is this you know a specific over there that has a use it talks about you know classroom environment respectful interactions and instruction are the three large categories that those questions fall into and the next slide needs to teacher data we've got the were rated by kids in the building is on a one to five scale and then it and you know the classroom teacher is also rated and i give you the range there in terms of highs and lows of cross all those questions you know questions for five and you know is the is the classroom environment you know is it can i learn is it managed well you know kids across the building you know gave this in eighty percent for three point nine you know with the high you know being a four point six for a classroom teacher and a four point five for the you know for any expedient year again the low the average are the average s are you know are for you know question number five the teacher makes class interesting and relevant you know from a kid's perspective we're always class is not always fun and engaging and relevant which is you know that's their perspective i think the teachers would have a different perspective on that but it's good feedback for us to hear and to to to look at and then again you know that the other one question number eight a difficult number a teacher communicates with my parents when you know we looked at that is a staff that is certainly not our perspective so and you know when you look at the kids data on the kids survey we also asked for comments so you know a lot of kids wrote i don't know you know for that one and then you know game one you know and that's not necessarily true in terms of you know our communication with parents you know so i take that as a positive you know in a lot of ways that kids don't know you know for talking to their parents or not you know or there's no need to you know if you come in every day and do your  job yeah we're probably not talking to your parents you know about stuff other than you know the positive stuff and i don't think kids see that as you're talking to my parents you know they only you know i think kids view deck question is i'm in trouble therefore they're calling home to let my parents know i'm in trouble if that make means is that a local local school in combination with a local university and other local partners come together to develop a parent student education program around adolescent development and pro social engagement so right now we are working with you in the am for h and camels home and we have set up a  board interested people and we're trying to bring a sixth grade parent education and student education piece into the building january twenty seventh hopefully will be starting and the goal is to run twenty percent of your sixth grade population both parent and kids through a seven day a week two and a half hours program you know it's coming out of looking at you know the assets that kids have or kids acquiring assets and how to say no problem solving advocacy skills you know for parents and setting limits you know computer kind of limits internet safety type of stuff so you know we haven't started the program yet i can't stop and we're will be sending out the invitation letters and into this week early next week and starting to do a little bit more p r so i'm looking forward to it i think it has a great has a great track record it's coming out of the university penn state university penn state and the university of iowa it's got you know twenty years of research behind it assets which looks at the both internal external assets for of the young people in the community and their families in terms you know and then building up programs and  education opportunities to make sure that we're providing avenues to increase those assets for their young people so you know michael and i have talked bunch about that  of continuum for kids in what he can be doing at the elementary school and what i can be doing at the middle school so that it's seamless we're again we're we've kind of signed on to doing it i and will be starting kind of the research piece of this and the implementation piece of this january so we should have results in the spring are there any questions about that and then again these are all the partnerships that currently exist in camels and the community you know we've talked a bunch about these in the past  initiatives and partnerships that we have going at this point in time and that we've done in the past you know we continue to be with brad working with branagh we continue the community the community garden this year which is fantastic a great year for us and it was a first start for us to have a garden and it was it was a great success the amount of produce that we were able to use in our in our kitchen the students love the staff well but it's been incorporated into our health classes it's been incorporated in a club that's been started so it's been just a great start for us this year the other one that we have right now going on right now is the whole school energy challenge and we're looking at reducing our energy usage by  percent through creative ways of making sure things are turned off and and the evening right now we're working on the whole school hibernation we go away for a week our students are now taking a survey of the building and looking at items that can be called a little controversy there talked about global warming you know i got a few phone calls about that in the debate on that so we did it it was good and i think it raised some questions for our kids too but there i definitely got some feedback from parents we're seeing in this stat and then working as a team really collaboratively to support each other in changes and i think that's been really helpful and it's really built i think a strong team within us teams don't know was necessarily gel or work together but we we have and i think that's been positive in a lot of different ways so you know we just wanted to share with you and say thank you for all you do not just for our belief but for kevin as well and it's a it's a pretty big deal filled rafa's are you looking into grants or qualifies us for i mean that's one of the things that we're already taking a look at what do we have to do to maintain it you know there's a tipping point is it worth the effort to maintain it but we're hoping that the task you go through is not if you really want maybe it's you know we have a very i don't know mark scoring or score with ninety two which is down those barriers between this is my school my community and yours and that's all they're going to few biggest ideas that we've been kind of brainstorming trying to connect schools with like different oh one of them was a recycling thing that really talking about programming we're discussing our strategic priorities this i think is a hopeful present patient in that it looks at what is what is an education look like in vermont what are some of issues it's facing and what are some of the results that we're getting so hopefully this will generate some good conversations in our communities and i think it's good food for thought and it's i think you'll find it interesting it's only about twenty minutes really well for let's take a quick look at the age cohort of working educators and vermont educators are primarily classroom and special education teachers but also include other licensed professionals such as principals librarians and guidance counselors recent data indicate that the educator population is aging during the last ten years the largest goward of teachers increase to meet her forties to their fifty's and the number of educators older than sixty has dramatically increased last year forty five percent of that educators from other fifty years old  generally speaking the highest salary employees in the school are very strong and enduring correlations between student socioeconomic status and his or her educational achievement we will examine some of these figures later in the presentation these data show that the f r l population might has increased significantly during the last ten years and twenty six percent greater than forty percent some of the increase can be attributed to changes in the eligibility formula to meet more families eligible for the program as well as increased helping to buy school districts to most teens and in what was an f d r landslide in two thousand and two republicans held a rally of vermont house seats and held the governor's office although democrats in two thousand and thirteen democrats large majorities in the house and the senate as well the governors o the excess spending freshman from one hundred twenty five percent to one hundred twenty one percent many observers consider this threshold to be the most effective budget control mechanism in the existing school on the legislature also strongly considered an array of other adjustments to as you are months education funding formula all intended to limit increases in school expenditure due primarily to increased education spending for people and reduce property well or much based education tax rates have been increasing in recent years the trend is expected to continue this year's twenty fourteen and twenty  increasing tax rates is a decrease in the overall proportion in education costs being paid by general revenues another that is intact these other revenues are primarily income taxes that support the general on and one third of vermont sales tax in f y two thousand five hundred years from these sources accounted for thirty nine percent of total education funding by f y twenty thirteen that share has dropped to thirty three percent beginning in f y twenty twelve at the recommendation of governor shumlin the legislature reduced the animal general contribution to the education on by twenty three million dollars that same year it shifted the cost of vermont's correction system high school from the general fund to the education and in the enable us to greater than or million dollars what it said on the property tax rate raises roughly eleven million dollars so if the governor and legislature had not taken the steps every tax rates would be approximately two and a half cents less each year meanwhile new laws are passed every year that while generally well intentioned have the consequence of incurring costs and utilising resources at the district level this list of recent actions is only a sampling of new requirements and does not consider the impact of federal school legislation which similarly you know goes upward pressure on this year as a result of recent state legislation remind has a new structure for state level leadership of education the governor now directly appoints the secretary of education under the old system of the state board of education hired an education educational operations and issues looks at the recent history of voluntary school district murder efforts under act one fifty three per month on terri merger walk four of the five read merger proposals were defeated by local voters the law is structured to allow voters of any school district to reject the merger with a simple majority in other words the votes of motown's are not commit actually settled following are examples of others all governance related activities currently underway across the state a number of supervisory unions and their specs are studying the potential for structural changes to bring about greater stude number to me and operating es the same data from two thousand to one the red bars now shows current expenditures per student for the twenty eleven twenty twelve week or month now has the highest expenditure people in new england spend seventy two percent more than the national average the only other states him on his about the same number of school district administrators as the national average in the month we generally think of these administrators personnel working at supervisory union or single district central office most other new per student than the national average undoubtably this is universe month comparatively large number like vermont student teacher ratios vermont has very low student staff ratios as well in other words there are more adults per student in our school buildings and almost anywhere else this lie look at our labor cost per student that is salaries plus better we have just seen the vermont's one place have lower average salaries and benefits costs than the national but we also have among the lowest student teacher and student staff ratios in the country the result of federal labor cost per student are forty five percent greater than the national average the second highest connecticut massachusetts and rhode island at the students are served by districts of more than five thousand pupils might have no such test or even a real sister states made in new hampshire organized very different eighty percent of their students are s seventy two percent of vermont students belong to an su with between one thousand and three thousand students only two percent of our su's are smaller than five hundred students and the other inspector or two largest su's of about four thousand students this chart compares most school districts by spending per pupil and sucks we know that eighty percent of vermont school costs are labor and larger vermont schools have larger student teacher ratio so you might expect every month for school districts as much per pupil in medium and small  are opportunities being offered students in larger districts smaller districts simply can't afford we generally do better than the other new as our current standard as assessment used to fulfill the requirements of the federal no child left behind act to make cap is administered in just four states all in new england compared to the need for money educators have much more say in what constitutes l students do significantly under perform their wealthier peers with gaps ranging between twenty three and twenty seven points depending on the subject and you're tested e area where vermont excels is only graduating are students after four years of high school recent figures indicate that ninety one percent of students graduate four years the best in the country nevertheless and for a students are significantly less likely to graduate with their peers where do all these high school graduates go not to college in the numbers you might expect remark notably legs the national average and sending our students to higher education and learning expectations there are initiatives underway in each of these five areas the following is just a sample of some of each taken in isolation each of these initiatives could quickly take the form of an add on to our current system we must integrate each of these cases in a meaningful way if we are to realize the full changes we see and are join run we face a true leadership challenge we spend more per student than almost any other state nation we have the lowest adult student ratios in the country and we have struck community support for our schools design and achieve systems change to meet the needs of every learner this is our leadership challenge we know our systems are not designed to engage our learners we know we need to change without the benefit of additional resources we also know we cannot wait to act this task is not an easy one but for months children i feature we cannot be satisfied until we have the very best education presentation well we have sought to bring you information moving your work and superintendents and school board leaders recognize that your consideration of the concept may be to additional questions or associations look forward to supporting your work as you strive to create high quality education opportunities for students the most cost effective manner possible thank you would you know me one more minute i want to show you something recent recent study that came out of the national center for educational sort of test it so i think it's pertinent to the presentation and i think it's also connects to some of the work that we're doing so this is a linking study that some data show you came out of head week it's true it's really actually very recent leaking study what it does it's a statistical linking study there are nine states in the country that take the timms test it's an international test and so what they did is they compared how kids did on the thames to how they did on the  compare that use the scale that the average skills poor for the thames and they they ranked states and they ranked countries and so you can see here in math and science this is specific to math and s countries this is hard to see so i'm going to explain it to you a little bit these are the rankings and what it shows is appear these are the highest skilled scores up here number one is south korea thank you but that was south korea is at the top then singapore this is taiwan hong kong japan and massachusetts and then vermont so  there are no we're at the using this statistical model in this study were at the top behind minnesota us new here jersey new hampshire and then it goes down from there so it just gives you a little another perspective one thing i would add and i don't know if this is relevant or not but you can make this decision on your own south korea spends more per pupil than any country in the world so they're at the very very tippy top and so i don't know exactly what that means but i think it's probably relevant to what we just watched and has i think that somebody could make have a  or that was released actually about two weeks ago show showcases the academic prowess of states such as massachusetts minnesota and vermont which outperformed all but five of forty seven countries provinces in jurisdictions abroad in mathematics and science the top seven performers globally included three united states the top score was singapore followed by massachusetts massachusetts minnesota montana new hampshire north dakota vermont and wisconsin five countries are jersey addiction's did likewise singapore taiwan korea japan and f gradients and then they have an intermediate and then basic and that's how they look at it so for what's out worth i thought it was relevant to put that up there and it's very recent data  comes out of i think a reputable think tank and i thought people might find it interesting so do you folks have questions comments about or how to relates classroom ratios are interesting you can get on an idea i believe you can get on to the national center for educational statistics and they'll show they'll give you they give you some international  that elementary school and walk on at least a year or two ago had the highest test scores in the state and former governor douglas weiss took a job up there teaching second grade you yeah one thing that kind of bothered me about the presentation was was it they give you some good information or they say yes but you know it's kind of like you know you're going to live a long time but you're probably going to die tomorrow you know i mean it it kind of felt like that to me that you know and if you when we looked at some of the other statistics for a relative to our school district comparing to  address the state of vermont you know we our cost per student was less a lot less than the state right now which you know our ratios a student you know teacher ratios to students and then you you know you always want to look at the outcomes and it's it felt to me like the driving force behind all of this was the cost of education you know not necessarily what the results were and and and that that where take had gone from having thirty nine percent of the funding coming from state wide sources to thirty one percent you know that's just cautious and of course people are you know going to be upset and seeing their property taxes but that's you know that's and directors are cause of that is when you're shifting the cause for a broad base to a local sort of tax structure funding so it you know it's it's hard to you know extrapolate you know really hard line conclusions you know because there are so many factors involved it's it's it's just it's not as cut and dry as some of it is meant  problems in the state when you look at it on a broad scale you might see something very different and i think has a lot to be proud of with its educational system and there are some solid data that would support that participating in that test with their predicted scores derived from the linking process but i just assumed that the international tests the tests from the other countries that are further away would be completely different kinds of tests so what they're saying is they're just taking that data and trying to find some kind of common no commonality some kind of thing to link it to being something they can compare between the two different place the way they linked it is with the knowing states that take the test and then how they and it tells you what's how the tests are done are some real differences and yeah i mean it's a statistical analysis and based on those nine states does desire formulas that we're using to predict show us that our prediction is actually what those nine states dear and then we get it so it's close enough then they predict the everybody else and you get a score you give skills i just like to be really clear with statistics because sometimes they can be used in so many different ways that you can skew things one way or another and i just want to be really clear when i'm looking at something and i'm happy about it that i understand that it's you know that i understand it enough to really have a genuine feel that it's correct so i will talked about the benefits of vermont teachers cost less than the other states michael marks did send a question to them about that because he really disagreed with that particular point and the way certain states defined benefits are very different so he wanted to get some clarification on what and how they were how did anybody notice anything else about them i mean i think what i found most fascinating and potentially useful is the number of schools the connection to mergers and student teacher ratio also you can look at that that is pretty objective and you can make your own conclusions from that but i think that that's useful information to think about that now also is interested in the tax effort  small schools and just to come to paris and about how much how great that burden here is on the smaller towns and smaller districts in proportion to the others i just found that part to be interesting but i think i feel like i need to look at it again for a third and fourth time to really dig into those pieces to make sure also i'll send you the link to the rankings that i think you'll find interesting number one the neighbors not the kneecap and you know when that's the kneecap is a is a is a rigorous assessment of the you have to have a certain level of math to be proficient  another thing that i think you could potentially generalize from this is that there are a lot of countries and a lot of states that are not in the high achieving category  we also still haven't figured out that interesting statistic of how few go on to college in comparison to other states may not make any difference in a sense but it's just it's it's interesting compared to how many we graduate well forty years for four and two year college years we are seventy percent sixty nine percent seventy three percent sixty three percent sixty three b last year so four years ago with seventy three sixty  julia's question sort of got to it so that we we certainly can do better we all know that and we're but in vermont we are focused on getting better we're striving to get better when we meet in our administr groups and we read in with our teachers you know it's all about continuous progress that we have work we need to do absolutely but there's also a lot to really be proud of as well and to celebrate i two hundred years ago property tax was a fair measure of a person's wealth so what used to be an ability to pay tax that's not really true and a lot of the major land stewards are not wealthy people and some of the systems that we have in place to assist people who need help and property taxes like the current you system to help farmers even those systems are used by wealthy lumber companies who can afford to keep large tracts of land current and they still make lots of money but they keep their land current use so there are some systems like that that are really that really need to be looked a and and i also think that in general the culture of the historical cultural moment is one of people that are basically very resourceful a lot of vermonters i don't know how many you know farmers or people who and so many people in the states and yet we're doing better education wise and value education enough to stand a greater proportion of our income supporting education i think that says a lot from the character and i think that's something really valuable that we have to hang on to that spirit and that character maybe i just don't know enough about the data or understanding the data when we're talking about the costs to educate students and ours is way up there and what i question is is that in a direct relationship to the way we tax or fund education in other words that they're they're calculating that as being part of our the property tax the education tax in other words  states that have bigger segments of the industry is that hidden and doesn't show up in their cost predicating student or you know are there ways that they offset that i don't think so i think they really take the overall cost in the size of districts and schools and the c voters in towns getting really upset about the tax the amount of money that they have to spend so it's sort of begs the question as to where we get to a breaking point on that why understand that pretty well i agree with that  this is probably one of the greatest problems that the country faces right now curious cameras all set done we have a policy and for anybody who's interested the use of facilities and the use of alcohol on school property are both hot and and you know controversial in our policy committee and if you have any thoughts about those you should probably read and follow what's happening there's definitely a lot of discussion about is the fees structure that we use for a building's fair it doesn't reflect the amount of effort that's put in for cleaning etc so for us there's a lot of discussion that's going on around that and whether or not that may change just to give you  you're seeing all the slides tonight the the the finance committee is met three times since we last met as a group and just to bring you up to date where we are and we started now and asked that we look out of that would level find and keep all the people programs that center of that we have now and that would lead to about a four percent increase in the budget the next time we met we asked that we look at what it would look like if the budget increased two percent and the third time we looked at the budget we asked what it would look like if the budget increased three percent and just say you are for your information every one percent is about two hundred eighty thousand dollars so we do not have a finalized budget we have received a number of different options from the administration we've talked them around a number of times asked them to come back with something different talk those around a number of times no decisions have been made as to what might be cut or what the final number should look like so i'm sort of going to be like diane and see if you have thoughts on some of this let us know couple a couple of factors that are going to play into our budget when we started the budget process we were looking at a possible ten percent increase in health cost but that's one number that's gone in our favor received information that we could put in four point five percent instead of ten percent so that helped us if you look closely in that presentation that john showed you the prediction for the statewide property tax was to go up five cents that means it will have gone up if that's the number that ends up in the legislature and that's what they agreed to that means the state wide property tax were gone up ten cents in the last two years and again if you looked at the numbers the three years before that had gone up three cents so it was a big difference there at one point i had heard it could even go up six cents the bass and amount which is another number that affects rate two weeks ago when we met the prediction was that the base set amount might go up two percent when we met this tuesday that if they use the actual numbers in the formula the base and amount would go down about forty two dollars that would also make a big impact on what people pay so there are a lot of unknowns still out there and when i look at the sheet as to what we're supposed to have done which was maybe by our next meeting on the twenty six come up with some clarity on where we would be and present to you folks on december fifth what our budget is going to look like i'm not one hundred percent sure that we're going to be there but we'll we will work hard to get there but there are a number of unknowns and like diane said in actually they said in the presentation we have had strong support around vermont for school budgets but what's the breaking point i don't know what it is i live in a town and hit barriers last year took three votes to get a budget  through so you know looking at the numbers we have it's only part of each town's tax impact because the elementary school gets added on to so as they say if you have thoughts ideas let us to do the study on the turf fields and how much they cost in the benefits he wasn't he wasn't promoting necessarily ter fields he wanted us to get the data so  goodness well as far as the sign up date mr cameron was that are our facilities meaning for those of you that aren't aware of this whole situation mike sign in the sign made up of lights it's he's mike in his almost being too nice obtained permits from the town of jericho to put the sign up doing so there for mr kember the ability to appeal they've said they aren't for the development review board kicked it up to the state environmental court where it could be kicked back down to the development review board at which point the sign can go when it's eaten up a lot of my questions time and hopefully things can get resolved quickly and assign can be put up that looks much better than the one we have their use of the facilities there was talk about updating the form and making uniform all the schools  we're also looking at a band for the roofs at the three schools and we're hoping to have a facilities meeting in early december to come up with a timeline for a vote hopefully it would take place at town meeting and because we have a band retiring this new one hopefully they would kind of balance each other out here where the those would be camel slump would be in the front door way so that when you approach the front door comes on that door would be locked there would be a camera there that would send video to a monitor in the office and you would get buzzed in from the front door and then there'd be another camera added to the back of the building to monitor the loading do minutes from the last meeting to your will approve them is written in the words courts are two million eight hundred thirty six thousand nine hundred twenty one dollars seventy two eight three six million to one point seven the big number of it includes extracurricular contracts on payments and give that that we do have a need for an executive session to discuss