subjectively know of the serious medical to me and then two is that you under reasonably respond i take your argument is that you did the officers did subjectively no but they reasonably responded as they got medical personnel involved yes i think that's fair to say ok sudden the range of debate here is only over whether there was a reasonable officers it was also tied to the theory that the private medical personnel d the county could be responsible for the care that was provided by the private medical personnel and that were healthier  if accurate as completely separate from the qualified immunity of these corrections officers so i guess i question why pendent jurisdiction would exist when qualified different scenario here even though there was a failure to try the client because the county did train officers on tribal strong i think that the record shows that even the district court opinion cites to the officers understanding that there were some terms of withdrawal happening there recognizing that so they just decided to defer to the medical staff based on some of the statements that i  stated earlier so we think that if the court finds that the officers were entitled to defer to the medical stuff then the county can't be liable on the related dealer to trade and supply routes intertwined twenty for their their eight hours share or was directly into his cell or they were a runner which means that at least once an hour they would go and look into his cell and see how he was doing  perpetrate indifference or an inmate's medical needs when he reasonably defer to the medical professionals opinions and there is some deposition testimony of these three of the officers when they say things like every time i talked with the nursing staff they said he was ok that's all here since deposition and i was assumed he was ok based on their diagnosis and what information they gave me so i there is some evidence to support the notion d that these officers did raise concerns based on the way he was acting in a cell that has medical personnel responded some of them even thought that he was faking the seizures responded that he was otherwise ok it does seem reasonable to me for not medically trained officers rely on those responses so how would you respond like that deposition testimony from parents anyone is a reasonable position for the phrase clearly he's spiraling down it is true that someone else may look at that video and disagree with me but there analyze the question of fact as you say whether or not with the deput saussure caused them to call medical which they didn't done with any sensation or whether or not if they did call matt whether they were reasonable in relying upon the advice to the extent that they i agree with you on that spiraling out of a fire spiraling down and d then you need d to reassert you can't rely on previous and educations of patients ok for medical it's circumstances change her final day part of her final diagnosis and it's our position that that certainly isn't and system if you will in his manner and was there also not evidence that he lost something like forty four  and or the training of their own employees that once their responsibility is totally turned over to a private actor that alice's procedures and training or lack of training becomes those of that he just assumed that they knew what they were doing with monitoring such they were not trained to do it so they were also not trained as to when it is when they ought not to rely upon  the one of the earlier issues discussed by mr kerry i would agree that if there is a significantly worsening condition or a spiraling downward then an officer well let me just push back on that your honor a little bit and again you know what i was going to say i think is relevant which is that one of the officers had to buy that and the mental health unit the abnormal is normal so this went into you know their subjective understanding of the situation at that time for example that the record shows that officers t mystery raised which is that this argument that the policies of the vendor become the policies of the county when when medical care is contracted out we disagree with the principle being applied here st it's draw the risk with respect to this mono claim these are the enders the medical people we we don't have the medical people in this appeal so i don't understand how we could say that is inextricably intertwined with the i mean i can i can understand the argument about the training of the officer arguably i can understand the argument you're making about that being here fictionally available to us to consider i don't understand th