do but also has a number of really interesting environmental factors so the work that you do will probably perform the way you do it and that's that's certainly not been something that's come up during those conversations like if i could before we get too too far into the conversation is i want to make sure i get a few points out there come on the vermont criminal justice training council website they posted a message and i just think it's important to before we start our conversation to really grasp what it says so it says this fair and impartial policing policy was approved by the council at its regular meeting on december seventh of two thousand and seventeen and replaces all of the versions of this policy agencies are required by march first two thousand and eighteen to adopt every provision in this policy verbatim agencies are free to add further language as long as it doesn't contradict any provision of this policy agency's wishing to retain the language in their current policy must submit that policy to the council and have a valid evaluated by the attorney general's office for a determination regarding its compliance with the provisions of this policy and then also in the actual statu to encourage consistent fair and impartial policing practices statewide this is skip ahead so this is title twenty section twenty three sixty six subsection v to encourage consistent fair and impartial policing practices statewide the criminal justice training counseling consult in consultation with the attorney general share review the policies of law enforcement agencies and constables are required to adopt a policy pursuant to subsection a of this section to ensure those policies establish each component of the model policy on the before april fifteenth two thousand and eighteen if the council finds that a policy does not meet each component of the model policy it shall work with the law enforcement agency or constable to bring the policy into compliance if after consultation with its attorney or with the council or with both the law enforcement agency or constable fails to adopt a policy that meets each component of the model policy that agency or constable  deemed to have adopted and shall follow and enforce the model policy issued by the council annually as part of their training report to the council every state county and municipal law enforcement agency and every constable who exercises law enforcement authority pursuant to twenty four the criminal justice training council shall the terminus part of the council's annual certification of training requirement is whether current officers have received training on fair and impartial policing as required under title twenty vs a twenty three fifty eight and then it says the last section think those are just some some important points for us operationally making sure that we're in compliance with the state statute and welcome to open the conversation terry thank you you know it gives a little  eric was going to kind of work out some control language conversations in regards to some concerns expressed an interest in being for some potential ideas around come  a policy i mean so you know just before we go into that let's let's be really clear that when we're doing this level of conversation it's really a conversation about the council's interest and in passing a policy that reflects the values of the community that's something thread that's consistently come up throughout this interview really clear that operationally we have nothing but evidence that states that we are already policing in a manner that's very consistent with the with the approach and i think the philosophy that's been consistently expression is here which is being a very welcoming community and a community that stands behind all of our residents regardless of their their background their status immigration status and how they came to become a member of this community so let's be really quick to bifurcate those two conversations as from the operational standpoint we're not really having a conversation this is really about policy that we've been asked to pass that has some language you know that perhaps not everybody agrees with that we're going to discuss this evening so with that i  if there's any proposals that folks want to make the change with the understanding of the potential ramifications of making those changes so open up the floor calpol you know i think with that  community outside of the me how a lot of neighbors that come from many different walks of life and i feel like our policy is really where the rubber meets the road and how we are actually enshrined in those values that we pay lip service to in the way city of new skete it's usually services are available to members of our community and i think one of the things that's important to know as we're discussing the model policy that is before us is that there are a lot of elements that are absolutely really important step in the right direction of ensuring that we're conducting policing and on a biased way on and that individuals in our community can feel comfortable accessing when you see police department resources contact with employers lewinski police department without fear that we are going to be participating via force when a federal loopholes in potential issues or problems that due to those loopholes don't set out clear guidance for use keep police department employees interaction with federal immigration before s i'm sure we will talk about and happy to kind of walk through what some of those areas of concern are and i think in addition to those it's really important that as a community and i suppose the first communi when you ski and i think that there's a tremendous public safety benefit to all community members and i also think it's really important to keep in mind the enforcement of federal some racial lines when you city police department members don't have the something we should not give any grounds somebody is a victim of crime they should feel as comfortable as possible cooperated with the investigation or being able to give their information to what you see police department employees without fear that we are going to transmit that information to federal immigration control sorties so the language in the section is a little bit weak and doesn't really provide that assurance section eleven subsection a there are some concerns here because there may be circumstances where it is appropriate for you know host of reasons for see police department employees to have some level of cooperation with federal immigration enforcement authorities however the language that was included in the model policy  creates exceptions for the ability to cooperate or share information with those authorities that are so broad essentially they could be in any number of inappropriate reasons could be used to share information with the operation control or abuse based on what those carve outs were in the proposed policy so the language i provided just tighten that up and makes it really clear that unless it's necessary to the ongoing investigation of a felony so let's appropriate level of collaboration and information sharing those types of situations would have would rise to a criminal felony level and so this still allows us to have that car so that we can be nimble and respond in t stream in important circumstances and then the last section is really not explanatory and really in the model policy it sets really clear provisions that when you see police department which will not propose granting access to individuals we have in our custody to immigration enforcement authorities however that creates a pretty substantial loophole where if the reverse is true where an immigration enforcement authority sees that we have somebody in our custody through you know federal database systems or for whatever reason if they just happen to have that knowledge on their own they could still call and request access and there's nothing barring that access from being protected so it's a really simple language change that just changes from proposing granting access to granting access which i think much better in capsular it's the intent of that section of this which is saying that we're not going to utilize city of when you see resources make it so it can be a very simple answer to and that is there anything from