is a very knowledgeable woman and as well so i asked him to join him to join table for for the discussion so ok so so first thing we'll do is approve them the minutes that were distributed and those minutes were distributed knows there's going to be a district wide vote on september twentieth and when i say district wide i mean all of the sixteen towns will be having a vote on the exact same day and it's different and you don't date in eight many towns are doing it in a single polling location and belmont is actually doing its standard polling locations as we are with them as well that may or may not be true for other towns but one would imagine that the six withdrawing towns will belmont as a community does not fall to incur the debt then that triggers what bob was talking about our ability to withdraw so despite what the district folks think it's actually slightly different than that if i'm not mistaken i decided i believe we can choose to withdraw even if we vote yes technically you can choose to withdraw any time the only way to get out of the allegation of being for the debt is if your votes no on the general election and if within sixty days you have a town meeting that votes two thirds by two thirds majority to leave the district the citizenry says no then everything you just talked about is the likely half where there is a special town meeting and then there either is or is not if you there is going to withdraw if it if we do not withdraw through that process that again the reason we have a conversation and if we do go to withdraw then and that becomes a moot issue and we are not responsible as you just said off or that it's confusing yes  but i would say again what i said before which i believe is correct if if the if this if it passes town why they don't want votes no but withdraw by two thirds vote under no circumstance are we responsible for the debt service it you know what i would say though is that work the market is primary function is to advise a town meeting on issues the timing is not yet been asked to weigh in on this because there may never be a special town meeting right there may never to be an opportunity to decide whether we should have a debt exclusion it's only the town that actually is definitely going to be asked to vote on this on september the twentieth i think as we talked about a little internally and i consulted with mike with her it was felt by several of us that it was actually it would be useful for her for the further work for me to talk about the sun how would be something that would be talked about and in addition to the fact that there is going to be a league of women voters tonight on monday the twelfth of september at seven thirty pm at the teacher in center so that will be there an opportunity for members of the community to get informed about this issue and there will be folks that are there to talk about sort of the pros and cons on as i said monday september twelfth at seven thirty pm at the beach read center and this is that they're made maybe useful for the work committee to provide additional information and the process whether we i think the impetus for this meeting tonight sort of originated with me only because you had the vote on the twentieth this kind of an extension of the discussion that we had in town meeting in may  there are a couple of questions that came up in may are important and have not been answered in a really haven't really been addressed and i think there really is it's essential to get some information on them for the benefit of the town so the vote can be an informed vote and the biggest question in my mind at least is  if philmont elects to withdraw from the minuteman district what alternatives are available to provide a similar type of educational opportunity for the students who otherwise would have gone the minutemen and my concern on this point only grew because in discussing this informally with a couple people around town what had been held out as alternatives turned out not to be alternatives at all that they were simply not it was a misstatement to say they were alternative so the question remains what strategies are available and then secondly what will they cost and it's really as simple as that and possibly timing also but the main thing is where could people useful to get a sense of the enrollment projections from the various towns because i looks like the enrollment in regular education in belmont will increase probably significantly in the next five years be useful to know if a similar trend is expected in other towns i suspect that is how that translates to vocational ed i don't know but what was on my mind was if it's the case that in roman in this region is growing significantly and if it's true that if you build a new school that you may attract significant new body of students look at the pool as a as a similar kind of situation that minuteman has six hundred twenty five students in the building which has been deemed almost uninhabitable so if a new building is built possibly with a revised programming and all that it may well be that the school is over will be oversubscribed in the same way that right now is oversubscribed there's a waiting list to make sure sheen unavailable say the dumb one so in that case it may not be a sure bet that belmont can simply expect to send continue to send students to minuteman in the future the way it's been doing up to now so i think all i'm proposing is that we gather whatever factual information is available on these points and then it's available for discussion prior to the election and i think we should gather all possible information we have known as an absolute scoop what we know so  school is asking for funding from adam is to be aged greatly expand their own into vocational training and they'll be looking for belmont students students to go to  that it wasn't right my expectation that we would be debate the merits of the question tonight but i but only to establish or i guess get up and i mean greenman that gathering more information is useful and then find willing people to go out and gather that information and i would put myself forward as one of those individuals i know that the superintendent has said or has made a verbal commitment given that the students will be educated and the only thing that's been lacking up to this point is to details so we'd like to know specifically what are the possibilities for the various types of occasional education that a student might pursue because it's not just on mechanics and such as cooking it it's it's a wide variety of things and i think belmont has to be prepared to accommodate students with a wide variety of interests so all so all i meant to say was we we should request this type of information from a school department and make sure  administration is looking into other options there is extensive knowledge available that but until the town makes a decision as to what they want to do it's not the role of the administration to nasa he he's there he knows what options are out there but it's the town's decision as to what they want to i mean he can send a student to minot me on the students that are there will probably stay there we could be a nonmember district and send students there there are schools  somerville cambridge i mean he it's very aware of the other options that are there but until the town makes a decision as to what they want to do oh you know he doesn't suddenly nobody wants to burning bridges right i say this is all the other things that we can do for our students and that's not necessarily the best to get treatment now and just to follow up on that i mean i think superintend failon says that he will will educate the students if the town pulls out a minimum because because that's what he has to do and he can say he can say no other thing and he's very professional and he does his job and it's got to do it the other question that really hasn't been asked and it's really  one for superintendent to have a conversation with a school and committee is whether he would welcome this or whether he would view this as a distraction from the many other things he's trying to do with the district schools i mean in some sense staying within minuteman you know solves that problem at a at a certain price but it solves that problem if we pull out of minutemen we add a whole new issue that that school committee in the superintendent needs to actively be involved and so we need some sense from those people in that body about whether they would welcome this as a an opportunity or whether they would view this as a distraction from their other jobs of running options are but none of us do and i think it's very difficult to make a decision where one of the things the others are under so i would also say that you know the superintendent we are all committed to educating our students but i think it's beyond that i think we're committed to giving them a really good education and it's very difficult to have don't know what the alternatives are and i think i can't believe that the school committee to be honest hasn't really vetted this thing thoroughly it's not like this just happened this is been going on for a long time i mean they did this is something that they should be they're going to have to make a decision very quickly when if this vote goes one way or the other to this point myself and i i'm not sure that it works quite that way and that would be if twenty six students there isn't an assumption that we're going to send all twenty six to one another place and so therefore that is that alternative is good is this is that there are they did they could go to different places some of them going to m going to cameras on them and so the so i think there is a combination is an almost unlimited set of options that don't happen for three years and that is dependent upon what how many students are going and what they choose to do we have you know we have one hundred plus students that are on i p's that are there and have special education and though in their individual needs determinations are made for each individual student about what is the right answer for each of those kids and some of them go to school in town is going to school a lot of times and they get placed in it's so if you want to be in a particular program right and you want to study a particular thing the superintendent would have the responsibility to put you into it to meet those needs i think it's almost impossible to actually determine what what the twenty whatever students there are in three years might want to do it what those combinations are and where they would go so i think that the school committee should in fact in the stand a superintendent should in fact make the community feel comfortable that if in fact we choose to withdraw that we will actually get to do right by those students i think which is one that alan is making and i think others are making and that is a completely reasonable thing but to actually specify exactly what the options are and i think you tell me if i'm wrong i'm not sure that's even really possible exactly well i think there are a finite number of programs within a reasonable geographic area that bus people there aren't that many of them to be honest with you i mean i think the superintendent should know it sounds like he knows what they are and where they are not saying they all have to go to one place the alternative could be use in the landscaping kids here in the computer kids there on the cooking kids there that could very well be the plan and that would be whatever the plan is but i find it very difficult to just put it stepping outside of this is a voter if you tell me if you vote yes this happens if you go no i have no idea what happens is kind of other than don't worry about it will be fine i'm a little plan in place we better late than not it's for the same reason that oh my what we're talking about now is that there's a private range of things out there and available so why do we want to make a commitment because we're doing a high school right now that's the problem we're in a bit of a different situation from all of these other towns because we have a very large debt exclusion coming up and this is another very large to the exclusion of we may or may not be on on and i sue ellen in the end of i think looking sign and perhaps we'll look at it as a bet if i mean we don't know what they said it's not it's not a given that they made the decision without knowing what they were going to do regardless i don't think a better sense every day i think what we owe our voters is as much information as we can give them and i think part of that it's not a plan it's not saying we're going to send the landscaping kids here we're going to send the you know the out of mechanic kids here it's just here's the programs that are out there that are within a you know a reasonable geographic distance i don't know that well for a program i mean i'm michel looking and find you know shocking which is close or find you know some can remember names of not something that's thirty miles away and that may not be ok but knowing that there's something else that's five miles or you know it's just different i feel like i mean this is something that was important to alternative set of alternatives to educators if people feel that way that the i think your point out i mean and roy and jim that's a different thing if you don't feel that way and so i think that there is some threshold of comfort that needs to be established where however that is done believe that this is a vote of by you in favor of vocational education on not in favor of old age of vocational education and that's not so everybody at this table and everybody i talk to is in favor of vocation education for all the reasons of cost of colleges and the governance behind it that everyone this is a this ill conceived project and bellbottoms participation and what's best for belmont with his ill conceived project that's the issue and in all of the electorate to realize that it's not prologue on vocational education because it's going to be just as good either way in a rote they have to be told in c that that's true and they can sit back and take this as a terrible position well as wait and see till it happens and we all want to live otis ahead of time to have that plan diesel a reasonable probabilities don't worry but a vocational education will not suffer belmont will save money that's the message really quick kind of a go tagging along to the reason for those who believe that the yes no decision on this issue is ultimately a financial decision one can't get that argument out on the table unless you first make it clear that it's not a vocational v no not vocational so you have to be able to say there are other alternatives if you want to focus on the finances if you can't make that argument then you then leaving the our extended discussion at the beginning of the meeting which was confusing to many people i think that the more education we can give the residents on this issue the better  and this is what i'm hearing from around the table and i couldn't be more of a agreement with that and having said that i think i would welcome more and committees involvement in that process of helping to educate belmont why this is such an important vote for about one day not just the district as a whole so i would support this effort  understand that you need vocational education all alternative has got a capital has got a couple components somehow you know whether it's whether it's a larger larger belmont high school whether it's whether it's whether it's being charged capital charges through the new through the new jersey you know that we that we can't we can't look at the alternative that has that has a zero capital charge to it could make a fair make a fairer make a fair comparison because because the capital charges really are front front and center on the minuteman i think it is important that we have an apple not just comparison and it doesn't and it's but it but but i point that out saying that that's that's harder to sort of tease out what the capital costs are well i mean so for example if you there are i mean maybe you know there's a pattern there are jack you know this but you know if it cost sixteen thousand two hundred sixty three dollars an hour to send a child to show the valley i think that's the cost that include does but i don't think they're allowed to they would i don't think they would be allowed to charge for it because there must be a renovation has already happened and i think the ability to assess capit  and then this vote is under sixteen and and you know when i was at town meeting i sort of heard multiple voices in favor of a no vote at a town meeting and and some of them were saying this it would be just sort of good to sort of understand whether that same mix of sort of different strategies about what to do after after that if a no vote were to happen is still there or is are are we are the voters know that the sixteen towns vote no then it goes back to go discussion about what to do right but that's not super likely but you speak right here because and i say that only because the the six withdrawing towns are not going to really participate in this process largely of the ten remaining towns not have voted yes and not only have they voted yes a town meeting but they have voted in many cases for a debt solution to pay for so the community has already voted yes and moreover none of those votes either town meeting or that exclusion have been particularly close to have it walk away as favor so familiar to the extent the people were thinking that oh no vote in town meeting might reopen a dialogue about a different sized threat that was building or whatever marks i think that that train has definitely left the state that's right so ok but the bottom line of there is there is good for the bottom line from my perspective is there are nine towns that seemingly want this there are six towns who have voted not to do it and the question for belmont really is should we be the nine or should we be with the six that's really the question right exactly  dollars there are ninety four that ninety five thousand six hundred eighty four dollars in this year's budget for twenty students so that is thirty thousand six hundred two out of capital charge either of the form of the s and capital charges or in the form of the our portion bit so i'm not sure how feasible it is logistically but be you know watertown can do the same math as belmont and if they're electing to send students to minutemen given the higher cost they can certainly do the same analysis and it makes me concerned that this difference in price between for example in the show and minuteman reflects certain let's call them quality differences that maybe we can't identify what they are but the fact that minuteman it was and other towns are sending a significant number of students to minuteman today makes me think that it's not a slam dunk that you could win the show but as an alternative but that's something we could look into again i don't i think that we should actually look at what alternatives are i don't think that it's fair to say that there are two look i need to there clearly made is not one that you listed so that so that's a third and then in terms of us being in a number town and then there are others that are not regional schools  other options so i think we should understand the full range of what the options are whatever they don't agree them to saying that the chart in that in their presentation was not a sufficient answer fair enough that transportation and it's transportation which makes a difference as to how far you are the other thing is there are there are other nonmember towns belonging to minuteman that are looking at the same kind of alternatives we are so there may indeed be and there is something to think we can form a different region and this is really complex there's all kinds of data that would be useful to have in making the decision this election is about a month away release i mean if you're going to release information you have to generate something how are you going to release it i didn't say it we're going to listen to me maybe the worst of it i mean we could generate a report have these league of women voters and i that would be a mechanism for us to to communicate the information so we can publish or or if we want to but that is not necessarily something we have to do i guess i'm trying to figure out what is the total set of things that we would communicate that say it's not in a report it said the league of women voters but if it comes from the weren't committee i think to some degree i think we need to determine what is the full set of information we feel like we need to release if we're releasing information you know i don't know i'm really struggling it's not that they don't think more information is good i think it's great but you know we go deep in one area and not in another how do we decide what to do in these so complex i'm not sure we can be a first class reporter addressing all the nuances of all these moving parts and i almost think it has to be done  there is a very extreme level of ignorance right now among even concerning some very basic facts like what does the vote mean i don't think it's realistic to write some kind of comprehensive report and i don't know what that even means actually but i think we would do a service by addressing the questions that we discussed at the outset which is broadly  speaking what alternatives are out there and can the community have some reasonable degree of comfort that if there was a no vote which likely would lead to withdrawal oh that the implication of a no vote really is a vote to withdraw school department probably has the best resources to figure out what it's all to really it's their responsibility actually and i thought the work committee could simply provide play a role of asking questions of the school department to make sure there is as in as in and of an informed electorate as possible given that the electorate will not be perfectly informed and that there will be a lot of uncertainty but we can at least try to reduce it in their month that we have how to manage it well i would suggest is maybe doing like a spreadsheet with some alternatives to make it clear this is some possible alternatives and whether they are viable or not viable is sort of like what we did for when i did the analysis of the free cash in other towns i just i did it by myself it took about a month like all i've identified the towns i talk to them i looked at the paperwork i did a little spreadsheet we talked about it for a little while and that was and that was i made it very clear in call every town in the commonwealth like all these towns and this is the these were the limits of what i did and it was helpful i think to the selectmen all the time to give us an idea of where in the universe we were so a spreadsheet with like some various alternatives within a reasonable catchment area because obviously we're not going to send them out to amherst or something but some sort of reasonable catchment area of what alternatives are out there and what the differentials in price would be and whether they're even viable or not viable i think i would find that to be helpful and not to   are good if that if we can put out some facts that are that are helpful to the town why it is discussion but we can't expect that we're going to be the oracle on this and i mean up the way i think about this personally is that sort of there are two questions at hand the first question is is it are there viable alternatives to send our students so they can get a high quality education to being a member town which includes being anonymous out of minutes but are there viable alternatives to being a member town on one basis and that to me fundamentally actually it is a school question so we can weigh in on that we can give information but doing all point it's really only the superintendent and it's really the school department that is the most qualified to say we can or cannot provide viable alternatives right that's question number one question number two his financial aid fundamentally does it make sense to essentially buy a new school on the part of belmont or rent add a third but it's but it i mean i mean when you run it through with the voters have to take on and it's less than a spreadsheet financial thing but it's but the question is not find in the man but it's being part of the because you know jack is the only person here that does that and i'm curious to hear what your thoughts are in terms of the value of having that seat at the table so being belmont's as a member down versus being watered down probably modest i think the things that one probably i think when it comes to programatic and operational issues the school committee during my ten enormously deferential to the superintendent so what anyone town can do to change any of that i think is relatively limited and to the extent that the issues that we care about are financial the fact that dessie would set the tuition and it wouldn't matter to us as a nonmember community whether mr ben  went and spent all those money or was fiscally prudent because our fate is tied to dessie i think also in some ways you a little bit to the importance of having the super take so i don't so some communities like arlington benefit greatly under the new agreement because they have a larger say belmont not so much belmont is about the same bridge where we already have to worth it but the weight of our we're talking about what happens if there's a no vote and what happens if we withdraw and i guess the question i have is do we see a no vote as a recommendation to town meeting to withdraw  or do we see it as a preservation of the option to withdraw or not because it will go to a town meeting to decide when we have for example a debt exclusion and then there's a vote but then town meeting has to authorize the actual borrowing we do view the debt exclusion vote as a recommended recommendation to tell me what they should do i'm not sure that this is or isn't i'm just not sure the from my perspective other than a symbolic gesture there is no benefit to vote you know if one is not prepared to  simultaneously vote to leave the district the only reason to vote no is so you're not obligated under the debt service and the only way not to be a good obligated to the debt service is to leave  any pointed out what is amazing is that for someone who has has an opportunity to really understand this question understand these issues what you just said i think it's true in the sense that if you really understand it then if you vote no then you're then you're you're you're making that decision because you believe we should withdraw there are twenty five thousand people in town i don't know how many people are registered so many of those people i suspect will not know as much as you do about the issues right just a guess and so those people might conceivably choose to go in the in the spirit of what i was getting at essentially to hand the decision to town meeting on their on their behalf to make a decision in the future right so i think there is a watching to that is not that that makes some sense i hear what you're saying that if you really get it then you should sort of make the decision simultaneously but if you're not prepared to really understand you she is very well you could choose to say i'm going to do it so i it's going to be darn hard for a town meeting to decide was there a different message in that no vote other then we don't want to incur the debt and yet any percent of people that vote no then i think it's a difference have not seen any public statement by the school department on these issues and i would hope that there's at least some effort underway in the school department to say something in advance of the election and i just repeat i view our role as trying to be helpful to the school apartment in getting the electorate more informed than they are now because i think the level of ignorance is very extreme and that's a fair point and i think that susan obviously as a in general which is the more we can the more the electorate can be educated about the options and the implications of them the better we are as a community better off we are as a well i have one other  set of information i think would be useful the last time we got an estimate of how much it was going to cost bill maher it was i believe when there were still fifteen town or sixteen towns in the district i don't have a good sen proportional cost of the debt our portion of the debt so maybe maybe there was another number but i don't remember the information that was provided at the april town meeting at that point when the six towns were leaving  question was indirectly posed at the june twentieth meeting of town officials i think was telling so i don't think jesse is prepared to let minuteman charge eighty five hundred dollars the nonmember suit and just to be just a follow up on the point was it was just made if it's if it debt so much more than a debt is between three hundred seventy five thousand five hundred thousand roughly and we have twenty six students that is between fourteen point four three thousand fourteen thousand four hundred thousand and nineteen thousand two hundred thirty one thousand so you're just talking about between fourteen and nineteen thousand dollars per student for the debt charge as a member town so what i said before that you sh dollars that was in the spreadsheet but with this is not a good time to discuss these numbers because it's hard to do this and there it is eight thousand dollars not well but it is i think the reason for the disconnect is mike is using a point in time of today's in moment minute man's assumptions are predicated to belmont's unrolling growing to thirty nine so when you take those numbers and divide by thirty nine it almost doesn't matter what the member town in roman is what matters is how much of the debt service is paid by then the nonmember communities and why it is you win or lose if if if belmont stays at twenty six and everybody grows at forty percent those numbers will come way down if belmont stays at twenty six and enrolment from the rest of the member towns goes down  elmont's share of that total debt service goes up because you allocate the way the debt service is allocated is you take the total debt service minus the contribution from nonmember communities through the capital facility fee and then the rest is allocated for simplicity say now pro rata based on your share of the member town in roman so there's a lot of there's a lot of uncertainty in those numbers that were presented with some definitiveness by me i mean you're very right that we should try to solve it now but it is a kind of thing that would be used yeah i think we should look at that i think also there was a statement by minuteman in the press release announcing the election that the city has taken a position now and on the tuition contribution but they didn't give any numbers because all the tests he hasn't give us he is not yes he was that they have recognised the fact for the first time should make some contribution towards the capital cost and they have a study commission going on edited june twentieth meeting of the member towns it is yes he represented was there and he was asked directly the question is it going to know it's an unknown and it will not be knowable in the next by september twentieth dessie could decide well two things dessie could decide to make that fee two thousand dollars not eighty five hundred we have no way of knowing what they're going to make it for and their decision to make a haul two thousand dollars is only valid for a year they get the chance to review just like they do with final issue is the obligation of a member times to be acquired to pay a capital cost for something you don't own is subject to a valid legal challenge so individualism or decision we want to have about this before we're going to summarize and then and of the election and say i can't give you an exact plan but these are very reasonable and probable alternatives if we didn't send the children to  ok so in terms of next steps roy you raise your hand to sort of take the lead on either individually or with a small working group and gather some information that we can then and process is that correct yes ok but there are others that would want to raise their hands to volunteer to support roy in that every image i give you the help i can really of and i will help as i can today i'm not sure that the information that you cited in your question s is i don't think it's a matter of gathering i don't think it exists but i'm happy to try to help as i can ok we should stay in touch with jim as well ok great are you proposing to do anything other than gather i think we should wait and see there may not be enough time to actually have another meeting even to discuss this a group that i have not i'm not sure it makes sense for the board committee to to make a formal recommendation this is just an yes i would call it a somewhat informal attempt to try to facilitate some movement on the part of the school department and i think we're very briefly at the big meeting will be found  role in educating the town about the options that school department is prepared to deal with whatever it is that the town decides that's the role of the school department for the town to decide and in the school committee it's not really within the scope of what we decide on will very well where we oversee the superintendent whose decision if it is as far as to where the sun and the children what schools they should go to or what the options are but it's the the town meeting that votes on whether or not we remember district and you know i mean i'm i'm supportive of what susan saying as well too and keep in mind that the school year is the school years i'm starting there are fully engage with the with you know with other long term projects some good high school stuff or you know if i'm not fine with us putting this in front of them and saying you know if this is a chance for you to participate in this in this in this conversation but we should not be looking to them to sort of staff stuff out the work on the questions we have that studds as much either for this group or worlds for the you know you know for the groups that want to actually be directly involved in the vote but i think you have to look a little bit  line when it came to the young private school department was crystal clear as to what it would do with the money or what would happen if there was an additional money and i think this is not  just think we should get in here saying we're going to send five kids to the watertown program and seventeen kids to the cambridge woodworking program i mean i don't think that's what people are looking for but even   and was my suggestion that you be the messenger back to the same endeavor and i just think there's so much riding on this i can't believe when the high school comes up th different case than the override of the swing of two thousand and fifteen that was an urgent budget issue that was that was dealing with the budgets that were being prepared here as bob said this is going to play out for several years you know it's going to be a long farewell and to sort of expect the superintendent and the school schools to be so involved over the next couple of weeks on this on this tonight but i would i would try to promise having a very limited number of questions directed to the school department sometime next week i'm happy to circulate them for comments to have some kind of consensus that the that they reflect a reasonable set of concerns and such and then send them off and really generate some questions send them to the senator body and then this is something that will get the answer to it quickly because i mean honestly i'm willing to disagree with jim about how this is a couple of weeks this is may go on for years i can't believe we're down to the last few weeks and scrambling to get into this is stuff we should've known a while long time ago so if we get questions over the years and sounds like the superintendent may have some idea of the stuff which may save us a lot of time rather than roy making calls if he's already done that we find that now that he has and i haven't said that i would die communicate that to him by well but as jim said there's a lot i can't guarantee exactly how detail that he can give me information or into when he said exactly that people are it sounds like people are looking for a lot from the school department right now  that well we want to know the alternatives are things we can't really vote if we don't know what happens when you say no it's kind of hard to say yes this i know what happens if we say yes we don't really know what happens if we say no and i don't think anyone can answer for the school so i think jim framed the question actually early on and i would do a slightly different spin and i don't mean to pile on school but i think not from the workload management which i thought you had said but from the availability or probability of options to provide comparable education for the elements to snooze is the prospect of leaving leaving minuteman something that leaves the school committee and the superintendent shaking in their boots and says oh my god we'll will do it if we have to but i sure hope we would too you know we're one way or the other to hey you know what if we had more opportunity and by not being a member of the district maybe there's more opportunities it could be and have a positive if there is just a way to kind of frame the order of magnitude of the severity or the direction of what those alternatives are i do think that would be helpful because i think to go back to mike sperling your comment about the process in order to get to the is this a good financial decision or not you have to predicate that on believing that there all there are viable alternatives that don't sacrifice the quality of the education provided to the students you can't get to the financial question if you don't believe the viable alternatives well and i don't have anywhere to say about oh john can call up the superintendent the watertown school and says we had twenty six kids you get sixty six kids are you worried about what you're going to do the next seven years with kids and find out what he says he's in a much worse worse precarious position and we have and he's elected under no way will he join his district says a lot do it the way i think about it and recently there are somebody there and say the belmont corridor can feel confident if we are not a member of this district anymore we as the as the school people as a school department can provide a quality education for the students i'll tell you that we can do spoke to each of the previous four superintendents and got the answers that we are now asking from each of the four of them and the answers were slightly different as the years went on peter kingston so i think there is exactly what you're looking for out there they weren't specific as to there's fifty seats here and twenty five seats here but they were yes this is this is what i would do this is what i would do this is what i would do and it wasn't once it was almost a year of the conversation and we have that conversation because particularly in the last since two thousand and six years because of what has been happening during that period of time trying to solve this happening this might be an outcome might have to face look at someone i just want you to feel better that this is and what the superintendent has communicated is that this students are there and now they'll stay right the town will possibly send students to minuteman if we're not a member district anymore if that's not are other options out there but i would think first and foremost and he has communicated to this and said it that that would be the first place they're building a bigger school and i'm not really clear as to why there's a big question about availability  places or to me is the issue is more cost there are going to be spaces at many of the building bigger school there you know that's one of the reasons why people who are not in support of the going to want a single purpose and to take title and develop it is very common in the industry we just want to make sure that there are guaranteed behind the single is this is this is for both sammy and susan but but i mean since since this budget year is going to be have different challenges than the previous years would be great to get from david and you know preferably before of course through some meeting meeting in september and i realize that some accounts may not be completely true up because of timing of grants and stuff like that but i would have to assume that you've got you know ninety nine point five percent of it on a snapshot of whatever political year two thousand and sixteen has looked like before before our september meeting stretching before would be really helpful and i hope i hope