committee at work very closely with and i have to say he's been a great partner in this process and we're only hope and continue that success just housekeeping issue if anybody's here we do have some handouts in the back of copies of  some other documents we'll be talking about tonight and a printout of the powerpoint which you can get either now or at the end so we do disaster you sign in just so we get an idea how many people were in attendance and if you wish to leave your e mail address we well as major events is that there's probably twenty slides that kind of go through setting the contacts and once we're through those slides the objective would then be allowed questions for president so chances are if you've got a question there's tons of information thousands of pages of documents available on the website about the various phases but in general the community advisory committee is something that  and i think that as you'll see the challenges with trying to manage noise in an urban environment we're in an area where we have we're fortunate to have a major international airport are not easy and there are currently over thirty communities in the greater boston area that have representatives to the cac some communities like belmont watertown and others who previously have not really experienced a ton of overflights have not had representatives to the ca cities so once the situation kind of came up on the  have a regular schedule of meetings basically it is driven off of the schedule associated with the with the noise study and you know that the reason why we felt it was important to join the  cac wasn't necessarily because they're going to address the issues that we're dealing with today but because representation on the stacy does give us official communications an official communications channel with the f trying to figure out so i think the important thing to understand is really to to have some contacts of how does logan operate and what is it that's happened recently that's that's created this impact so you take a look at logan logan act actually a seven runways that are used for departures and they are dependent on weather and primarily the wind direction and if you know what the bernoulli effect is airplanes like to take off into the wind and so depending on the prevailing winds which are influenced by the time of year by a low pressure system coming through will dictate which runways are available and used for departures in a northwest wind which typically happens after a cold front blows through and is more prevalent in the winter than it is in the summer the two runways that are utilized by logan for departures are runway twenty seven and runway thirty three l so you can see that the yellow arrows are the direction  a split between those two a lot of times when there's a lot of landing traffic because the planes are also landing on runway thirty three hundred thirty three are without a red arrow is down here operations work prior to this change that that's impacting us well basically flights that would depart from runway thirty three would be distributed based on their destination to date through october it's used about twelve percent of the time runway all of the northwest departures which include runway twenty seven and thirty three all are about twenty two percent of the time so you know one out of five days and it could be five days in a row it could be two days a month depending on the weather runway thirty three l and runway twenty seven may be used it could be for half a day it c be for three days in a row it really depends on the wind direction so some days you might have you know and a two hours worth of of flight traffic and and other days you might have you know from five in the morning till you know through the end of the day mandated and this is a good thing to do to increase operational efficiency and decrease environmental impact of the air transport system and this has been going on since again the early two thousand and there's been a lot of money and a lot of technology development and a lot of approaches under the umbrella of end of next gen that have been utilized to try to achieve those goals so the overarching goal is how can you create a more efficient safer and also more environmentally responsible system and part of that is to shift from air traffic control dominated types of operations to ones t utilize satellite and g p s routing and that's really the one of the motivations so this thing called arnav which it's kind of interesting that because it doesn't relate to the acronym doesn't relate to the label but they call it performance based navigation or arnav is really the approach or the technology that's been utilized in order to achieve these these goals and objectives and it has actually been deployed at logan for all of the runways other than thirty three l for many years but thirty three i think presented some unique challenges because of were a little bit of a video it's about ten minutes long but i think it's worthwhile and maybe it's go to full screen apologize that that's the extent of the speakers that we have but are for our now i don't know how many of you fly in and out of logan but recently i fly pretty frequently to phoenix and i was able to fly from phoenix to boston in four hours and five minutes and the primary reason was we didn't do anything back and we basically flew directly from phoenix and made a straight shot into into logan so there are benefits to this approach of creating these planes and of of discussion started occurring around what the various options were for runway thirty three l and there was again there's thousands of pages of documentation on the website about all of the various options that were evaluated the f a a is a federal agency they are governed by very strict rules and regulations and so therefore the process that they followed is very prescribe it's called an environmental assessment and it's basically done where various alternatives are studied there's probably lots of expensive consultants that are brought into to look at things and issued a draft proposal for there are now procedures for thirty three l they were presented to the community advisory committee and there was a pretty broad request for public comment there were ads articles in the globe those types of things the public comment period was extended and opened till march fifteenth and there was also a meeting held with state and federal representatives i believe and from the center brownsburg is office actually attended that meeting and basically what was told to the communities was you know on balance this is going to be a good thing and there really is going to be no significant or appreciable impact to some communities might see a little bit more traffic but it's really not going to be a big deal and you know i think that what we're experiencing now for a couple of different reasons  may lead us to to draw a little bit of a different conclusion that the again this is highly regulatory you're welcome to click on the links and read all of these things but the metric that utilized in order for them to come up with this finding of no significant impact has to do with you can see underlined there that the proposed action will not cause significant noise impacts as the change in noise exposure does not exceed the threshold of significance and further in the presentation will talk a little bit about something called d n l and the noise measurement and actually based on the analysis that was done this particular change impacts fewer people than the previous approach and because there are fewer people that are exposed and coming to the conclusion of the finding of no significant impact and i don't know if anybody else that has more knowledge of this you know would would would care to comment but this was the  are between five and six thousand feet we're but you may get lower you know lower elevation and that tends to be a concern you know a lot of complaints would come from is if you've got a particularly you know large heavy fed ex plane that takes off at eleven o'clock at night it may not be able to gain altitude as quickly and those tend to be the ones that you know shake your foundation down and up a welcome to a representative rogers thank you for coming so what does thirty three l arnav mean to belmont and i think i've already mentioned a few of these things so on days when there's a northwest wind we are seeing an increase in over flights from runway thirty three all the chargers and the departures go up to a waypoint in the end and then diverge on one of those four flights ou experienced such a shock in this you know from from this happening is in the two prior years runway thirty three l was actually being there they had construction to increase the length of the runway and so the runway was actually shut down for about four months in each of those years and so the flight volume in general that belmont was experiencing even prior to our now was pretty significantly lower than what's happened now so now only are we now experiencing the aren't average but we're also experiencing a much more active use of that particular runway so a little bit of a discussion on how  is measured this was interesting to me to understand because when you look at all of the analysis and the charts and graphs that they have i have there are only thirty permanent noise monitoring stations around logan which isn't an insignia in significant number but they're primarily in places like east boston and chelsea in other communities none of the communities in our general area are really the ones that are affected newly the what the noise should be and that is something that's been used for decades i think the methodology goes back to one thousand nine hundred one and there have been folks that have questioned the use monitor or your i phone with the noise application on it and standing out in your backyard and measuring how many decibels you may get at any one particular point in time the metric that they use a something called a night average sound rather than exposure at any one particular moment we're even during an hour and i think that that's you know what would show you based on the couple of other charts but but that is concentration and that's that's really what you know what we've been experienc there were some changes made to runway twenty seven at the same time which i think you're questioning as well so the we're right now in what's called a post implementation review period and the f a a is mandated to provide this but interestingly that post implementation review does not involve formal c s c or community feedback information period to our public comment period in january and march and we really didn't hear much from belmont or watertown or other communities and i think that  it was pretty widely it was pretty widely well i mean there were articles in the globe there were articles in the local papers there were there were also articles like byline in the past and things  giving their complaints or other feedback i think they also had an email address that they could they were i would say just from here in the office there was a fair number of people that did call in or otherwise contact us about how to how to get in it and but pretty much all came after reading an article i believe was in the belmont patch i think i counted that there were only six comments from belmont residents and again and all of this is online ye and we had maybe a duck couple dozen flights a day that would come over belmont and so at the end of the day who would have thought that we you know that we were going to have a problem and so i think that  you know i think that's part of the the approach that that we need to take currently with the f a a is to say that you know that we should be allowed to comment since the  impact is is pretty significant and during the period that you had designated for that comment period we really had no basis for understanding what the what the impact of these changes would would so i think in a very important point and one of the things we want to get across for this particular meeting is that you know we are hopefully going to be taking some activity but the most effective  thing that residents can do and there is a mechanism that's set up to do that is to complain and to submit complaints to the massport noise complaint line and you can see that you know even after the implementation so it was in two thousand and twelve there were no complaints from residents to massport for airplane issues  this year here today there have been two hundred thirty one complaints or two hundred seventy seven complaints from thirty five individuals and in october i think because of some of the efforts of to assess what the impact is i mean we have twenty three thousand residents in town and i think part of it is because of the fact that these flight paths are concentrated but this is a vehicle that is very know my name is sue dam i live at fifty nine louise road i've called these people first of all the java applet that they're giving you warnings about i get the same warning when i print shipping labels from pay pal so just go ahead and click and tell the go ahead  n i called them and they said that the flame from ation is necessary to what i do is i find a time of day when say if i say that i heard the plane starting to clock in the morning and they were heavy until three o'clock in the afternoon although often it's seven o'clock at night i'll put that first one down as the time of the flight and then the comment field i'll say because you get an email of the of the complaint you did but it doesn't state the date in the time of y thing that's in a goes into a database so you don't see that but you do get a copy of your comment and i'll say on december thirteenth at seven starting at eight o'clock in the morning there were frequent flights until eight o'clock in the evening too many flights sometimes just a few minutes apart the man told me what they do and i hope he's right is that they then look at their computer records of the flights that went over bel how heavy the traffic was so that's what i've been doing online on their form it's even working but it's for the t patterns this is are now the issue if you google it is not unique to logan it's not unique to belmont it's happening all over the country and so you know i think in general communities you know it's one of those where there's benefits the f a a is trying to meet whatever their goals are and unfortunately there's kind of a you know an unintended consequence and so you know certainly been that there's a way that they can  if i'm not i am not that familiar with i thought that there were normal flight operations hours i've seen high and there on the master website i think they call their normal flight operations hours five thirty a m to ten thirty but i don't think there's any restriction that says that they cannot fly and you know if the weather is bad or if for other issues i think normally let me rephrase that i believe that normally scheduled flights cannot be scheduled after ten thirty p m i believe that if there are flight delays or other activities but we can get more clarification on that i think you know the airport is open twenty four hours a day for flight operations to get their perspectives on what can possibly be done and then we're holding this this public information meeting so at this point i would like to open the floor to questions if any of our elected officials have any any comments that they would like to make and then you know there's a couple of other slides that weekend will talk about sort of options and next steps sense of what are you what is effective what is not effective where we should really put our efforts and where our efforts may not get to any result and that's where i think your input would be very helpful three months to pull together congressman michael kept while i was coming to milton for questioning in answer forum and he said charlie congressional aviation committee so we're having this meeting on monday night he's giving us an hour from six thirty seven thirty it will be held at the milton senior center which is located at ten walnut street in milton in addition to congressman harper why no congressman steve lynch will be there senator bryan joyce will be there and a representative walter temple she will be there and on our behalf steve lynch did meet with the f a a and he really pressured them that they need to do something as of now nothing has been done we don't know what they're planning on doing but we're also going to pressure congress milenge to go back to them to get a timeline on what they plan on doing and these are the kinds of questions we're going to be asking congressman cantor whino on monday and i would love to have all of you there is well you're all welcome thank you windows they have with their congressional delegation and the various ms that they've had to have changes be made and you could see the changes are and are not to some degree unfortunately  which is high in some of a lot of union square he said when a plane goes over eleven o'clock at night it actually moves snow on my roof and my boy so you know can you do something and they said we'll look into it but you just one thing i did say statistics are important so we can't really stress enough the importance of filing complaints with massport putting things in writing in addition there is an email address that the town of belmont has set up its logan ca ca at belmont i'm a do of that e mail goes directly to both myron and myself so if you are sending in something in writing a comment about this please also c c that address so we can get a copy of it and we can start a file to make sure that we do have everything on record off i live on fifty three louise road next door neighbor to sue i started a google group that's called quiet belmont and i don't have enough people there i think it's important that we stay together inform each other know what we have to do what are the next steps so it's really the community that pushes the sigs to what everybody said here is the numbers for that matter and follow up question on when your comment is so cold the message board and they said oh it's ok just but the but the beginning of the day you know eight o'clock and then end time so now i think i probably filed about a hundred in october hundred of those complaints because i put every flight now because of that we said all ok we only need to do one per day so instead of not having the hundreds that i had  or i don't know twenty so the question is what do we do do we keep you know writing more the significand wires because in now the numbers are dropping significantly right i mean so i don't i don't know is this the guy right is he giving that the massport guy i live on claremont road and i thought bad in urban areas there were certain regulations that airlines had to go faster so that they were reaching a higher altitude so wouldn't impact all these communities i just don't understand with would think would be it's a small bit of information that would be interesting every time there's a meeting and we have our address is there if you could map it out i'm wondering we certainly live on an ascending hill and i end it just goes and goes and goes and starts at six thirty in the morning and is one is dove tailing off the other one is coming along is just like a caravan and you can there's nothing you can do about it and sometimes it sounds twice what it is occurred to me that be airplane was coming into our house and i should say my prayers then and there was really shaking the house and really disruptive but i'm wondering now maybe the reason we're not getting so many complaints is maybe there is an odd you know a sound effect all things boun distribution of the sound and that would at least be interesting to find out for me  to get to give you some hope i think that next spring and summer when the wind starts coming from the southwest you will have this kind of winter of having in there because the winds coming from the northwest which is typical this area in the winter  oh my bones forgot what i was going to say oh i don't i don't think it's really the amount of noise i mean i don't find that the noise is blasting me out of my seat it's that it's constant it's just one after another after another it's like but that doesn't seem to mcclintock at all here comes that the community that's this group that's what i'm saying if you join choir belmont this is like a forum right so it's an online forum where we discuss we put it the way the belmont list functions the same think right so if you get there we can you can post something it's a look it's this is where it is and we say louise edge more emerson you know and so to the f a a i'm sure that we can require me to mask or ensure that we can request some data on potentially on addresses but then you could i know sue you keep track or a list of the complaints the you've submitted you could just submit every single one that you submit but to know that you're somebody that's filing a complaint you know the other the other thing and if there's any other questions but you know so what are the options  there is a sheet in the back that does have all this information on it first off if you would like to submit a comment to that u c c the ourselves the a logan c c c a c rep from belmont we do have an e mail address that  set up and that is up there and also on this form also offer those you that may not be on on a computer you can mail it directly here to the town hall lockyer the town of ministration office and that's where i work will make sure it gets the right places included as well these are not a substitute however for mass sports complaints us certainly folks as milton has told us it doesn't seem like they're really effective at this point however as frank was saying the statistics do mean a bit so please make sure that you don't give up on it don't get discouraged by it we do need to have have something on record so if you are if this is bothering you make sure you do use the massport noise complaint hotline or file a complaint online important thing to note in an earlier slide that myron had up there with the mass for complaint hotline they not only look at the number of complaints but also the number of unique individuals who are making complaints therefore it's important if somebody else on your street on your block in your neighborhood is saying that this is bothering them please make sure you share this information with them as well so that they can also be recorded because they listen to numbers so the more the more people that are unique users to the system will be the quicker i would think they would begin to realize that this is more a widespread problem and not just a few squeaky wheel man on the town website we do have a we do have a page set up for the cac end of the committee section and and that there is a link to the massport page directly and also it lists the phone number there so we do have something up there for individuals who are searching for it as far as getting an actual hard play sign out there that is not something that's really been discussed i mean certainly as we move forward we can it's something that can be looked into my are myron and i are not really the ones that would have to make that decision it would have to be different folks in town government that would do that but for the meantime we do have the website with direct links so if somebody is having trouble please direct them to either us to reckless or to the web page they can find it i think at this point the amount of communication that we've done at you know the newspaper there has been quite a bit of coverage i don't know would be practical winning out yeah we did we did send a news release a couple weeks ago in advance of this meeting that went to all the local news media and the boston globe cell that was one of the main vehicles we use to get the word out about this in addition to the folks that had been  speaking to us either in the office or folks they contacted myron directly so word of mouth the end sending out the release we'll look at other mediums as well as we move forward and it will help i'm sorry way that we will bring it up with with know they were informed about tonight's meeting that they're here so we sent we make sure that we include include them and the other local news outlets that focus on belmont in any especially just casual conversations when you find out is bothering somebody zimmerman twenty seven emerson street we seem to have a pattern here i'm just wondering if we could borrow some of the slides from you if we decide to have a town light quiet belmont meeting i think we complain so i think in terms of also making sure you have we have more you know representative a unique identifiers in the pool to accu we tried that approach as well so that you not the only one sending it you send it you know all the different members  just also wanted to add that this link is like her in this lee lawn but if you go to a search engine say noise complaint logan you'll go right to the the top of the page will have that link says what you're looking for and also the google sign a quiet belmont you have to have or create a google account join the group so if you go to google and look at groups and you try to join a group you'll be asked to create an account so they know who you are  that's easy to do on a website person so i know all the attending and you know well i think we've got your information hopefully will be drafting of a letter and please do get us comments official comment so that we are able to include those in communications that we have with the with the f a a and thank you very much and happy holidays