a quick note and i think i said you need me on this these minutes were created from memory not from video tape so the i think i got most of the gist of it but the the thing i was least  confident in was who made what motion so  there's one more page one page two twenty three years they should be twenty twenty twenty twenty yes right and then under number twelve the last bullet in the second line of talks neighborhood summit about the tone should be totally in works and i didn't know if they were the applicant or if i think that's a corner supplied they were the applicant which would switch back here works with the applicant they were the m k because it's a special events it's which is different than catering  which is little bit confusing but i know so confusing because they aren't the owners of the property they are the the i assume there are so many holding event at their property with their permission ok but  you go through a break so the last time this was updated was in july twenty four teams so we thought it was time to review what we had one of the biggest changes that we made is updating our personnel policy to line up with the vermont earned sick time law which means say that again and sick time if i'm just how you can use your sick and time and how much is a lot of to a person so we've updated our policy to include that last we were a follow up we've been following it since july first anyways but wanted to make sure our personal policy matched that another thing is we would like to add a new benefit for town employees that would be of no cost to the town and that's vision insurance right now we don't offer vision insurance to our employees we can get it through the leak and what we're offering it to our employees and it would be a other changes were about other revisions a lot of them came from the leak they do have an h r consultant that works for them now and choose able to review our course now policy and i make some updates to language changes and just injury or illness may jeopardize your claim for workers got and everywhere else it talks about the employee thought it would be consistent to save some of your going to get the employees claim for worker's comp five point five point four the last sentence talks about accrued sick leave to the law will limit will be paid to employees spouse should also say it or the or this civil civil union pardner you know we'd if neither one of those exists would that be paid to the estate or just disappear ok and then at the bottom of page twenty five of them to teach twenty six has the whole list of the employee cares for i think it was on page twenty seven and update the paragraph at the top of the of the page at the last sentences says we will not consider military service or service and i think that's all i had jeff you have some questions yes so i don't have page number i have section number so let's start with five point two  it rename or not have columbus day as a holiday and i just i guess the question is is how we thought about that or is that something we want to think about you may not be able to answer that jesica i get that but it's just one of those questions out there so i had the same question along the lines of we provide two and a half times salary for working on holidays and  effects people's money and the money in their pocket or time off or health insurance right but it to some extent is our job to verify that every american to go through th well through the policies generally know we don't go through this every year this is something well like jennifer said it's been how many years since we even made any you know those and when we did that right right and in two thousand and fourteen i think it was just minor changes it's been even longer since we've done a more comprehensive update i'd be happy to provide some information to this like  about what other towns are offering as far as holidays and what the state of vermont offers for holidays to kind of give you some that and that be helpful but right now we offer twelve holidays if i count correctly and so it sounds like either she waited twelve and then two optional kind of choice days which i think many companies provide as you know if you have a special holiday you want to push in the industry has to reduce the number of a piece of it also is that i assume people who've been hired part of what they're hired into is a town that offers twelve holidays and to take kind of change that or take that away in ten whatever the number is you know does affect employees frankly i like the idea of set holidays rather than personal days for the most part because we're a service organization and our doors are open and it just makes it and we're small staff so it makes it harder when we have let's say and what do you take as a floater possibly columbus day that might be an easier day to make it as a floater than some of the others but some of the others we'd have a majority of employees wind to take off most of my secure my comments were in the competitiveness of  package and with the survey results are for industry and other municipalities so we can play like a very good package you just wanted to make sure that we're competitive and it says in your summer i want i was referring to the yearly evaluation of the early evaluation of salaries those kind of wondering how that was done is there a survey result that we get as you know managers in the business world we would see you know year earlier every couple  years we'd see a survey of similar companies in the region and look at the if the median where we do is periodic survey we don't do it every year but we do a internally we do a survey and we do it with the heads the highest level department heads they were a little bit behind and we basically moved them up into a one pay grade hire and that was able to correct about all the other positions that we took a look at it wasn't all  selected key positions that were good indicators itself we knew that if those were competitive then the rest would be competitive and they did find out from that survey that they were competitive more questions got couple more real quick two point three so i'm not going in order to page ten which talks about transfer promotions and the manager should have the authority to transfer promote a person to a different position between town departments without advertising and i wonder if there was a limit on that and what i mean by that is for instance would that apply to a department head you you're very very good i think is the right word you have a very strong process in which town sapphic been hired into department head positions and i think that's great well because it's a department head and you know if so let's just say there's a great staff person who we really like and think could be a department head the question becomes is do we still want to compare that person against what is outside the town do we or do we want to have that option i mean i again i'm not asking like i know the answer or i'm just i was surprised when i saw that because we do feel i don't think you've appointed a department head from internal since i've been here not saying that's a good or bad thing or and i coming about that it just that's a bit what i think made this strike out to me i guess i don't have i have mixed feelings but i you're correct that i haven't appointed people from within the department however i do think that that will happen in the future whether i'm here or not because i know where we're what we're trying to do is build capacity with the younger less experienced people within department to eventually move into leadership positions and if we've done our work writing if we've been able to retain these people  then i do see us being in a strong position at some point of bringing someone with them so the question is do we advertise that and as i said my feelings are mixed because on the one hand and i feel strongly that the internal candidate should get be getting the job then it's somewhat misleading to potential candidates to apply for a job when the internal candidate is obviously the one that we're strong so i don't know but i think personally i like the flexibility but you know i i don't have strong feelings about it you can have career paths to think you need some ability to transfer people in the leadership positions but it's a management decision ok so we're going to keep it as it is it sounds like i am so she says ok i'll get to some easier stuff moving on to section five point three point there's no five point two point one zero the part that talks about added fiscal year and i was wondering is there a reason why we have to stick him on this cheat sheet you gave us that talks about five point three point one added fiscal year and i was curious why it should be a fiscal year versus a calendar year i don't think that's a big deal but to be honest with you with somebody who has to deal with state and federal states the same as the town fiscal years i get awfully confused awfully quick and i sure wish everybody would just stick to the calendar year because it makes my life a lot and yet come in still i don't know if there's a living increases so it's a great time where going in and touching everyone's payroll at that point so you vote in their personal days for the year certainly doesn't have to be that time and  not a big thing it just you know when i think about how much pain reliever i have left i usually think more calendar year but this year but i think actually my leave is based on the calendar year oh and then the other question comes under five i think it comes under section five point four point five section c it's where we changed a new role to vacation and i'm just wondering is there a reason leave versus vacation before it used to say vacation flash annual leave we just took out the work and all because it vacation  doesn't have to be an all you can take on the city rolls over oh yeah ok so it's a connotation of the annual i actually like the word in your because you know some people actually going take leave for non vacation reasons but yet we to your vacation that i have to you know go visit my in laws something that's not a vacation but did you mean to say any kind of leave because it just says in the beginning annual leave up to two hundred forty hours us if anybody so tonight we you know we want to come here and give you what we perceive to be you know if you're going to make a decision we would like you to be able to make that decision on truthful information and the facts that are coming from the airport and not from a third party that doesn't work or participate in any way in the airport we provided years to run the airport it's the largest transportation hub in the state of vermont and when i say we the city of burlington started it from a cornfield and invested in that until it's current day and you know i think has done quite a good job tax bill of seventy nine million dollars from twenty nine million dollars and with no back up information and i also did that to the university mon carnes arena and so of course you know that makes bad relations when you don't agree to do what they want you to do we prevailed in court and had our tax bill you know reduced it wasn't because we're the airport were bad neighbor it's because we have to represent the people the region of the people who use the airport so but i did i talked to brian searles today and i said brian i said how long has this been going on do you have any advice you go this is been going on with south burlington as long as long as he goes the best thing you can do is listen and do the best you can to appease them and you know it's something that we try hard every day to help and work but there's many things that we have no control of we do not and regional authority when changes either but you have absolutely no authority over the f a a or the regulations or the rule if you get a grant like any other grant that you may receive even here you have to follow the rules that go with the grant you don't have the chance to change those rules the same thing with the air national guard we were given we basically got into a relationship with them and their early forty's that relationship will go one hundred years during that time it was an economic thing tool that the region wanted we all invested in this you invested in this the city invest in this it was the best thing it was jobs it was our tomorrow and we've been fortunate they're there i believe i think they protect this region and do a great job we're fortunate to have what we have yes they make sounds you know that are louder than other planes that is really what this is about because when people tell you they're not here to be there for the guard but they are against the noise you can't have it both ways the guard makes noise and we have no jurisdiction over them yes we are the landlord but this is not a typical landlord case if you had a us army or the air force as your tenant you would have very little power over them original authority will not have any authority over them either you have to follow the rules of the lease in which you set up several years ago so really what we do is we work very hard to bring in you know new services we have a region that doesn't have a huge population so to be served by the four major airlines and have you know sixty flights a day to anywhere you want to go in the world is very very we're very fortunate to have such great service there may be others that think that we should have southwest we should have other cheaper airlines like black plattsburgh does pittsburgh's doing an amazing job we do not and don't want to compete with them more air service in this region everybody benefits it brings down the pricing and it's a good thing it's not a bad thing so we should not be put up against plattsburg or compared to them they're doing a good job and so isn't albany so isn't manchester canadian  montreal airport everybody were very well served here in this region by airports brighton picks up forty seven percent of the in playmates in our catchment area that's very good we continue to work every day to make sure that we have and can provide this region with the best possible service there is we do it with a mean lean budget in the last five years we've cut five million dollars out of the budget to make sure that we are able to run the airport a good way most recently moody's has upgraded us as well as fitch we've also got an airline lease just last year which is the first time in thirty years many airports don't have airline leases the one that we have is a very very good lease that's why we lost the legion because it's regions is a no frills fair airport and airline and they will not go into an airport where they're paying large fees the other airlines would not let them participate in burlington not paying the same fees that they they pay so i'd like to go over the presentation i would ask you before you make a decision to get involved or not get involved we did have this discussion five years ago where we asked all the surrounding communities if it was be something they would be interested in and everybody wasn't interested back then because they had to participate in the financial way you would have to in the future to this airport is own by the brilliant and taxpayers we've put in hundreds of millions of dollars into the airport and because today we're not because today we have the f a a and we balance yourself and run the airport a good way doesn't mean that the city still doesn't put resources in every department that the city has they contribute in one way or the other and i'm talking we do pay for city attorney but not at the level of the service that we have and so it's really not a fair relationship and but they've contributed millions of dollars to if you were going to get involved in this endeavor you wouldn't be getting into it for free like you're being led you know by thomas chin and kevin durant to believe there is no free lunch and at the end of the day the decision is made by the city of burlington not by the state of vermont on who you know when we go to the f a we ask for this we said we don't want to do this anymore we have to give that permission you know to the f a to let go of that license so it's not what you're hearing from thomas and kevin isn't necessarily the truth it's more of a vendetta it's more of a bad relationship unless it's beneficial to you i mean if your taxpayers don't mind you paint a million or two dollars a year to participate in a service you're getting for free you know then that's you know if there's benefit there for you then i would say look into it but i would i i think that we work hard we do a good job and we certainly we participate with well listen we've come to your rotary me we listen to you and we have never been told we weren't doing what we were supposed to do so only this time with you know self burlington's you know not being happy with us we'll go over the presentation with you and feel free to ask questions as we go on i just want to give you a quick overview and certainly the presentation isn't an all inclusive package of what the airport is all about what we wanted to focus on is is some of the the inconsistency is with the communication that you've received over the past couple of weeks months from south burlington there's there's a lot of misconceptions in these letters and a lot of misconceptions on how well the airport is doing today is listening to its passengers and that's really what above the recommended debt service coverage that is in fish both recommended and certainly well above the debt service coverage that is required by our our bond covenants you can see that we really are consistent on that one one point five times debt service ratios improve their service up to use a kind of left that open because in the next slide we kind of will go through that a little more detail on year after year consistent service opportunities for the community we always have to factor in the influence of the canadian exchange just like plattsburg just as any for the canadian border one of the things that has been in these documentation credit for that at that time the airport advertised to the canadians i mean it was a brilliant campaign that polkas it did for us and it brought those canadians down it is the same method that plattsburgh is using now it was brilliant but nobody had really thought about doing it so we did do it and it did work but it won't work when you don't have a strong change in your favor so it makes sense and we should teach glee move that marketing money around based on these factors  so naturally if there is a lower amount of canadian influence because of this exchange rate we certainly don't want to invest as much as we did in the two thousand and eight range or certainly don't want to change the name of the airport to currently plattsburgh is i financial backing for the airport and not only helps us with our debt coverage ratio the airlines back us with our cash and hand our briefly describe it this is a really interesting and an airline lease so so typically airlines can come occupy space in the terminal to land on the airport which is based on the the weight of their aircraft and also if it provides us a back and so we come up with a budget and at the end of the year we reconcile that budget with the airlines and if we're below where we need to be in revenues the airlines will back us so that we always have one point five on the deck up it's a big deal because what you do know is that today with mergers and acquisitions it gives a stability and it them you know they're basically it's a partnership and it's a partnership of success so to have them say they believe in her plan that's one thing they said when they came up they said actually this is is easy because burlington is doing so well their numbers are good burlington is doing well so when you hear that burlington is not doing well you're not getting that from an industry expert and anyway you're getting this from somebody who doesn't like us which is not ok you know the thing is if you want better information i'd encourage you we'll give you all sorts of consultants names if you want to ask how we're doing we're doing very well and like we said this isn't an all encompassing presentation on the airport and certainly we would welcome you at the airport as well to speak directly with us who want to own one or in a particular subject on the airline  unprecedented way of producing a tax bill is as if you own a house in your tax bill double with no justification and that's where you really where that tax litigation came from and remember it wasn't just the airport it was the university car and you mean it was litigation three litigations of self printing got into so this has there's a history here of them making moves that don't make any sense they lost all  three and then jean mentioned our certificate which is a requirement to for air carriers or over these major airlines to actually come into the airport so this after the f a a would have to see that the burlington  governance i did just a quick background where we got twelve nonstop destinations today and jean mentioned you really can get anywhere in the world from burlington granted you're going to have to stop somewhere but we serve some of the most major east coast hubs airports in the country including atlanta and charlotte which is our newest routes to get out of the northeast weather patterns and we're proud of this this this diversity that you see here of airlines is is vital to the success of the airport jeanne mentioned southwest airlines if you look at manchester new hampshire they put all their afters in one basket and when southwest starts leaving more or regardless of what the name of the airline when that one airline starts leaving your  that you see is actually spoke of strength you know that is just what you want in the airport you want to be broken up evenly not necessarily heavy in any one  area our newest drought and i said year after year earlier delta in two thousand this is the fourth fourth year of a successful service week they bring in a mainline aircraft main line meaning delta owns and operates their aircraft they they hire their pilots they have they are their crew and everything like that compared to what's called the regional carrier which is almost like a sublease to that airline that they put me it's not owned by the airline the crew is not owned by the operator or paid by the airline and not only have a man also offers typically twice as large aircraft as those regional carriers so not only do you get higher cost service meaning you have a feeder were considered a feeder airport that we would get these regional mainline aircraft it's a pretty big deal we went to united we went to america we asked them we said we need less cancellations and i said how do we do it and it came out to be this he said well you know to give you mainline so it's something that we worked out with them as well as getting additional service at the same time so both delta and united offers us service american just started our charlotte flight  in two thousand and fifteen again bringing folks outside of that northeast weather pattern specially in the winter time jeffrey either yesterday or last friday we just learned united also bringing its second mainline player another larger to our favor you'll see that spike immediately the canadians like to migrate this way as you all know and we all benefit from them which is one of the reasons that the two thousand and eight number was so mentioned earlier  montreal to brattleboro and from eastern new york to western new hampshire so it's a big area that has a lot of airports within it so you would understand maybe why people and right wing might go to albany or manchester because they're closer or get a better deal so if week squeeze that down we and we made it that big because we do get so many people from canada during the good times so we actually challenged ourselves there are counties and i mean towns in  new york for instance it would be eighty seven percent of their employment so you know it's a big area and where we do very well is with a business customer you know and when you if you have a family of four and you don't so catchment areas for different airports they overlap this isn't any defined this is something you you've just come up with to define your this is this is ours this is the area that we market to  and if you purchase a ticket in wilston like say we know that be based on your zip code we know that that ticket was purchased in galveston and we know where you purchased or or through out whether it was burlington or different airport obviously we don't know what it was you have we know that that ultimate data figure and if those numbers are what define that catch malaria the question i was trying to get to or the one i'm trying to understand is are we giving the right share how do you know from that number whether that's the right share or not to find it so buried i mean what is the what would be like the chitlin county  that for you and get back to i don't know the number for turning down i'm just curious as to what are you trying to measure there so is there a meaning to the number it's more of what we're trying to do is we're trying to keep ourselves challenge make sure we're reaching out and providing service to the entire state and region so we do consider new york part of our region and new hampshire and a good part of canada and it's vital to our economic health so it's hard for us we can show them based on the our catchment area based on these percentages that we we know today how many people use the airport how many people use their airline and how that's why they're crafter for and then ultimately how much revenue etc etc so that's that's what's important to us not necessarily a cause of course seats are always good for us meaning more a craft more seats is always better because typically that percentage walsall increase but we also don't want to show an airline if you bring in another mainline service to california sure it might be twenty percent fall but it's not going to be sustainable for you so we were never approached it that way nor would we want to see that because then our percentages to california might drop a little bit in the overall average when we're continue it's pretty fascinating when we do talk to the end these their levels are incredibly skillful at what they do and but also just stuck on and you're welcome at any time to come in and have these discussions with us we will really give you more information than you would ever  car rental industry others are directly related to the airport like this building improvement program which is that one million dollars you know fiscal year eighteen budget is in relation to our partner should we have a sustainable capital improvement plan for them and you can you can see the past year two years have been extremely heavy due to deferred maintenance that we're catching up on in these past in these this these two years but it's important to show less because all of this has either a one hundred percent operating budget impasse or after operating capital into or local shares as part of grants and this is where these these costs and financial risks and and where burlington backs the the airport up with these local shares and costs to the to the airport right now wasn't deferred purposely or that were bank caretakers we only c just like you can with whatever money you have available we've just been successful at getting the money from the f a a to do the work all of this is funded from our time of this city funded portion a twenty six million dollars that is backed by the city of brunton and the burlington airport revenue profile so we get about five hundred thousand dollars a year from the state of vermont and then we get you know our share from the city of burlington c stand for you might have said that i didn't go no i didn't that's a great question passenger facility charge so that's another revenue source for us as well so when you do purchase a ticket there's a line on your ticket that says passenger facility charge that charge goes to the airline you know i keep suppose a small portion of the charges four dollars and fifty cents right now in the in the nation air like yours eleven cents the remaining portion goes back to the bill the local airport that the f a a regulates that process and were restricted on how we use that process yes the revenue question differently how much do taxpayers contribute in burlington to operation of the airport with their meat mincer any today zero lee you're talking about come from the city comes from somewhere else or through revenues from the airport or from about  investments not yet but it's their investment you know it's something that you know for years for a hundred years they've invested in i hear what you're saying ok but he offered us you know a return on our investment certainly like i said if you know if people want to start talking about writing checks to the city of burlington i can certainly get people get our attention i mean if we could go to the taxpayers and say look we have a list and they want to you know give us two million dollars a year that could be a game changer i mean that's that makes a lot of sense i mean but we haven't had those offers the last time we five years ago when he asked the question around the table to all the cities not anybody mentioned a word about wanting to put any money in so you know a is if you don't have anything and you don't get it or you don't get a seat at the table and that's true and i could you go to the people of burlington and say you've been investing in this for a hundred years and now we're going to recommend that we just give it away you know that doesn't make any day like you for having been there since seventy six so i've been for there for the last five years and what i've witnessed in the last five years there is a lot of work and contribute contributions that are made that aren't counted you know such as a city attorney any any city departments that are not compensated a dollar for dollar so there is a lot of things that happen and they are i mean there's a lot of things that are not given back but are managed does it make an absolutely i mean obviously absolutely and that the financial risk asked to be shared as well there sternly thirty five million dollars in bonded debt at the end as well by the city of burlington so that financial risk of course regulations the revenues received from the airport after remain at the airport that's true for all airports and i don't know ferry said this but as far as governance there are thirty three per cent of the airports that are regional forty's and thirty three that are municipal and then there's other so you know there is a mix you know to different different governance models out  statements saying that we don't listen to the city of south really to but it's important to note that most of these items we have no control over meaning the f thirty five is a federal government decision and it's maintained in operation and by  the the united states department of defense the noice compatibility program or the acquisition program is also a federal aviation administration program that has no what we have the control of any of these factors and we consistently try to discuss that with them just like anybody would open the door to any municipality any traveler even to discuss alternative methods or  of course we've discussed it with any homeowner next to the airport and that right to sell as part of this program regulated by the f a a is out in the story we want to make sure you understand them there are a lot of inconsistent clarification question this sounds very similar to how wilson runs its water department or sewers department as an enterprise fund and for instance staff spend some time in public work staff even though the water department doesn't in compas whole town they spend some time on water department issues sometimes on sewer they're reimbursed they're paid their time employees are paid by the town but that portion of the time they spend apartment water department would be reimbursed by the revenue rates charge for the water department store department so this is a similar type model it's similar but there's greater value because you have greater talents runways a seat on this board this commission which doesn't have necessarily there's no voting authority or anything right that was denied just  why would you if you wanted to be good neighbors right and kind of mend the fences if you will between south burlington and burlington why wouldn't you agree to some of those things if there are no kind of no penalty right to you this is a great of not having accurate information so first of all they're not telling you about the conversations i'm talking hundreds of hours we went right to the f a a and we requested that the next day and they know this we told them everything so we said we requested that noise map the next day we have a letter and they have not answered the letter we let them know we're waiting for the f a a but everything we do like the noise mat has to be approved by the f a a so it's not our and they know that they know that we don't make the decision the regional authority would not make that decision you would not be able to spend money that was not approved and the berm is the same way they requested a b we cannot build a berm without f a a authority and they do not consider it a model they don't consider berms functional they don't think they work so they're not going to invest we did or immediately call them write a letter and ask them about that as far as a seat at the table for will when you ski we don't it's not part of our charter it would be a charter change that we would have to do i believe there's discussions about it now i know the mayor talked with the mayor of the new ski i don't know where they're at with it but i know it's not something that we can just grant overnight i think it's something has to go back and forth with discussions but with that conversation i did talk to the mayor of a new skin i said you're welcome to come to all of our meetings and participate and we listen to people when you come i mean our commission is very sensitive and we know you say they don't have a forty when they tell us to do something to listen and we end up doing it i mean we are it's a very good commission a very active aviation community that protects this airport so the from the f a a for the berms or so all of that we we don't have any extra money so it's not like we carry a surplus so anything we do there has to be grant generated to offset it so without that we can't do it the funding in the timing has to be approved by the f a a we've just completed in two thousand and fifteen relatively soon of very recent noice what's called the noise exposure map that map defines the area that is that makes a part of this noise compatibility program whether it's the housing acquisition or sound solution whatever that might but also the f a a would have to approve the burn even if it was a funny thing if we were to do it ourselves we would have to apply and it takes about burn there's a lot more to it there's a lot of engineering think two hundred fifty thousand dollars is what they gave us for quote i mean it's not cheap and if it's something you want to spend the two fifty if you don't think you're going to get the funding to do it so those are the discussions that we've had w so never did we say no we just said they said no our funding source said no and jeanne mentioned that berms in the eyes of the f a a are not a justified solution for noise mitigation at airports they're great for ground noise highways  same all the time and i laser fencing along highways but airports have noise that are above the ground so berms and less you're talking about a fifty sixty seventy knows how high it would be to actually be effective or the airports and more more importantly i mentioned that it's the right of the homeowner to either sell their property to sound insulate their property as part of these noice grants when you put up a berm you immediately disqualify them from any other noise mitigation on their particular property because that may change the the effects of the noise map and also the f a a so we going to want to put in one area some funding here but not over here if you've done something to stop potentially or theoretically we've also brainstorm with burlington as far as you know doing partnerships waterparks i'm using you know rezoning the airport land so they would get more tax dollars these are all choices that they make that they don't want to do they're sitting the way they are not because the airport doesn't want to do anything it's that we don't want to take on the fight of changing it you know we did not turn that land residentially should have been laid industr all around the airport was poor zoning planning but the f a a took the burden of that and and it basically has this program the buys these homes that sells brewington put there in the sixty's when these are built you have the f four i mean one of the loudest aircraft and a lot of the anything we have today and those homes are built there so you can blame the airport for everything happens or you can say you know what this was growth and this is where we've been and we've changed and what we're trying to do is take advantage trying to understand your responses your side of the story you mention the i'm a little earlier the f thirty five it's not the airport has no decision making authority in the f thirty five ok we really i mean we came across the field i mean it really comes down to that you know though the runway it's right down the middle the field everything to the east of it is the guard and we don't spend a lot of time over there and it would good for us to spend a lot of time over there is there is and they protect it as it's theirs you know we have a very good relationship with them they're amazing people but we don't have the luxury of managing them they have plenty of people to manage them and what we do is we participate with them we do get further services from them which is a great resource for the airport but that's what we get out of the deal and it's a win win for everybody and by accepting all of these federal grants that we've talked about  we also signed something that says we can be nondiscriminatory on allowing any they say that right now discriminatory on who that interstate or whether it's civilian whether it's personal aircraft or whether it's military aircraft we are not allowed to limit people who land and use the airport is what next telling us that we we can't limit anybody from landing at the airport is an airport that's open to the people it's very similar to our highways airlines so often came to you for instance and said we want to increase the number of planes that land here might might say hey here's the cost to us for that sorry the city of burlington south burlington split from burlington when the airport was a functioning airport and this would have been part of that whole whatever that word is debacle that went on when not to a vague recollection of the details but a firm recollection that it actually happened and maybe some of the senior members and former members of the legislature would remember this but i seem to recall in the nine then dean of the senate senator thomas crowd snuck in some language to some bill that would have taken the airport from the city of brilinta and and put it either in somebody else's ownership the state or something else and it was he was called out on it and he said the wording was incorrect that's not what he meant to do there was a flood of misunderstanding making excuses like like that but i seem to have a distinct recollection that something like that happened and that it was actually when phil harford gone back into the state senate and then nine hundred eighty s so the question i have is is does anybody impressed with my memory not likely and i can't imagine as being a vermonter that a vermonter would do that you know i think that's a piss up a very poor plan to start taking things from people you know that you know have taken care of them for a hundred years i mean i think would be a bad find it i find it not wrong but odd that burlington owns an airport that's located well outside the city but i just learned why what caused that to happen might more blunt comment is along the lines of your wilson does is impacted by the airport but we have no representation that i'm aware of and so i guess my question my blunt question will be along the lines of for town like will list and we're i mean we literally border the end of the runway we're planes i mean i've been to the point where the well sorry let me continue with my plan wh what would you say to somebody who says it makes sense for willison to have representation on whatever board it is that runs the airport and if it requires that to be a regional entity versus the city of burlington but i mean what i'm asking you is what are you not getting today is there something you've asked for that you haven't received i mean at the last rotary meeting that i went to there were forty people and we didn't have one negative response we asked why were there  how we were doing and we just got compliments galore lots of dollar bills so i hear what you're saying but i think you do get represented there's we've never been asked anything that we haven't done with my hear what you're saying but i don't i don't know what you're asking for that you haven't already are getting the sides representation and you are getting that through just the communication i think i mean i mean i'm not opposed to the representation i fully realize it takes two to communicate but i don't feel we have representation at all you know the same way i don't feel nord same way on three we have any representation in burlington in that case nor should we so you know i you know what would we gain it would be representation so you know i think at the end of the day i think you have to ask you know what is that worth to your community i mean if you want to participate in the activity of running the airport i think there's a financial price to be paid for that and if it's something that you're interested in that's a discussion we should be having but to you know the discussion that you're going with thomas chin and kevin to take the airport from the city i think that's a bad precedent to set in the state i don't think that's what vermonters do i think that if you want to have that discussion that's a discussion we should have and i don't think that's a bad discussion to ha so i mean i guess we don't typically talk amongst yourselves but this is the only time we can do it right so i mean i've been thinking about this quite a bit after getting these letters and asking time for some more information and when we if we were to get representation i think the right question is is the one that was asked and maybe no exactly the way i would ask it but what would we be able to benefit from what we get because the roadway isn't going to change its direction  to fly over what will stand the f thirty five is still going to be over will stand with you like it or not i'm not saying i like it or don't like it i haven't heard it yet so i don't mind the f sixteen i guess i don't see i don't know what we would change in terms of if we had representation we would have more headaches and we might have some have to spend some money some taxpayer money but nothing i'm not sure what we would change so that's i think that's a discussion we gun to that in my looking at the resolution calls for burlington to do certain things and they may or may not do that and if they don't do it then there's a third resolution to say was the governor should apply the support resolution that already has a foregone conclusion i'm of the mindset be careful what you ask for it so i think it would be good actually as a group and if you think joy needs to be here for the discussion but we should figure out what we would expect to get out of it and that before we because just being a part of the table it sounds wonderful right it sounds like oh we need to see the table well that seat because costs time evidently potentially money but maybe it's a net zero you know could end up to be the same  thing as what we actually get and i can't tell what would change and it's impossible for me to answer that question and the reason is is unlike maybe solid waste where i have a fairly good idea of what's involved with the airport i don't so it's impossible for me to say whether it's good or it's bad and i'd love to have something that would help me write figure that out what i'm saying we should have a discussion of a train to make the decision of the healey but we should we should was i don't think anybody's being an evil person here but i was i was disappointed in the presentation from south korea because i kept looking at the things that that they had for bullet points under their presentation this isn't universal but a it was that kind of stuff and i was looking at it thinking ok well i don't need to be parochial here but whether a berm is built or not is really not going to affect the people most and whether it's right or not you know there's only so much you can and they may be right but it doesn't seem like it's something we have forty five and i don't again i don't feel well gee you know that that startling kid isn't my kid but that's not what we're talking about we're talking about neighboring in neighbor versus neighbor quality of life type things that are the province of municipal government but they're not the province of the sweetness and i took exception to the last point of that list of bullets that said that claim that burlington city had contributed money for i forget how many years but at the end of the day it implying that money should be poured into that but at the devil's advocate would be similar to let's say come these unionists will districts that are out there in solid waste district would be an example would be if it were not brought to the airport but we wanted to create one you know we're going to condemn a bunch of land and create an airport we would look to one minute's paoli and say you run the airport we would mourn it to be a regional or statewide entity existed when burlington was one big city that included south burlington and said it's a little might have a we have that point there but i don't know if it's a point where it helps clarify why is rather than having headaches or having to appoint i don't know who would be appointed say we got we did this would be on that so i know what is asking for somebody from there like i don't know if it's select board it's a council member one of their city council members so that would be an extra job for somebody to do it but it possibly could be i mean we have that right now with things like again the tenants always district with green mountain transit with w those types of regional entities maybe a good question is i think i've heard and i tend to agree with i think relying on south burlington because they are so emotionally and politically involved in this question is probably not the best place to get a third party independent sort of analysis not analysis maybe that's not the best word but source of information honestly perspective w or is it only obtainable what does our legislatures think of the burlington airport it's our biggest biggest airport in the state right isn't it isn't it is a state airport i don't know but i mean the largest airport they must  should probably takes a look at this but to go and there's the state part of the agency a transportation deals with aircraft airports it's not directly related but if somebody could tell me that i'm an american and this i'd be curious in all of the political campaigns that have been going for the last fifteen or twenty years we've heard all kinds of issues being raised about land use and regulation back to fifty wages the minimum wage and all these these other issues i have never heard a candidate for i am i am concerned that you know every time we turn around we have another issue that we ask the staff to do you ask them to investigate this or get back to us on that  have one more meeting to do some more discussion on this and us submit questions to rick to see if we can find the answer to that between know and our next meeting in two which just means that one side we have to use booster pump stations to get the water up to which makes the division between high and low water purges from champlain water district  out the field there are two locations in our system that we actually know about that do you know to provide adequate fire f five hundred five hundred gallons per minute right oh so it's thirteen p s i five hundred gallons per minute but you talked about the difference between forty seven and but if there are thirteen gallons per minute would be enough to put the next steps from this plan would be to use it to help with our capital planning and to develop long term cost strategies for for the system so obviously the report's got quite a bit more information and then that paying for half of that project has really gone well it's really pretty neat to watch anyway that tank going to be six hundred thousand gallons replacing a three hundred thousand gallon tank we're paying half of it we're paying for the this is a mystery ok i champlain water district will not pay for increased capacity so if we wanted to do that so it was the right time to jump on board because the tower lane tank is at the end of its life and had to be replaced so when this projects done i plan on leaving the tower laying tank on mine for the winter just as a backup to make sure that the new tank doesn't have any issues and we the tanks are used every day and refilled at night you know but it's so it is for storage one with a something does go down it's also for fire flow protection if we have to start doing that water tanks don't sit there static like a lot of people think they do they're used there they're constantly used so that it's turned over to the water that we use every day comes out of the tanks maybe store and that's actually how we find problems in our system from time know right down the middle of the road it could be on a field somewhere towards where anyway so nobody's really noticing it so we have that's how we actually find out about what went to school the church seminary whatever we're going to call it again  broken water line inner gymnasium that's how we found out about the place was closed nobody knew about the tanks started raining so we ran all over town until we found a water pouring out of the building no one knew where it was  now two tanks on the high service side that are six hundred thousand gallons when the new tanks done and a good nine hundred thousand gallons and another low pressure side five hundred thousand gallons is the big tank that you see at maple tree place so  think we're building right now is one hundred thousand gallons bigger than the one you see i'm able to replace but when we're done you won't see ten feet ten feet up front six new trees you know that's the other neat thing about it it will mostly be hidden by trees from when you look up the road when you look up the road you might see some of that little bit and there's still some telemetry that has to go up there where there may be a tree or to cut to make the two limit to limit tree work but you want a more sure that you see the office of my home now and i'll give you a hard hat and make sure you have boots on the very economy that has done this is quite impressive and probably the best construction i've ever seen happen these guys are just so meticulous  that's that's a little bit of a loaded question i mean our water line water lines that are past their their lifecycle cost that certainly you could start looking at replacing and or repairing most times when you start looking every place in waterline you look at one of them one of the ways to look at it is the number breaks you have within a certain time period so if you have fiber a sort of mile of pipe with and five years or something you might want to had a cause to see excuse me to see those pipes obviously because of a break or somebody doing a tap or something into them the pipes are incredibly clean incredible shape so i would be recommending any kind of wholesale replacements at this point we don't have a scaling you'll see you know you start with a point just big and some places will get down to holes like this just because of the build up i never seen any of that in any of your points that we have had to reason or is or there's a restriction where the two sides come together that's been on the books though for a while we just haven't really chased after it but one section is already recommended to be changed  o restriction and flow because it goes from one size plate to the other for some reason or smaller section of the line show up in your analysis the capital point ok i mean the i'm sorry the hydraulic analysis that ratio that restriction because of interesting for now to look at up what you know for sure but i'm guessing they entered it it's not really one of the places that came out though the only place we had any really hydraulic restrictions were at the end of that line where i only way to do it is a pump station the system which is no way to do down there really or increase the size of the line farther down so there's there stuff they actually have quite a pump station it's up by a big tank off a bridge two way that's a whole private system rigs right i don't consider that so much a private system but in words as a private road i'm talking about places that are actually have licenses or question it's not really a question it's more of a comment i did not realize that the pump stations and all the tanks are owned by champlain water district and wood which is a great thing  because they would be our biggest assets our biggest financial concern in terms of you know having to have those items in the capital budget actually i see so we're very fortunate that way i was good good thing to learn i think you went through all the items that we're going to have to deal with in the future would be nice to kind of see a short summary of what comes out of this in terms of the the those two i'm going to save those two areas that have been dead ends have i'm going to say moderate to light on issues with fire flow you know what which will be just a few months from now that you'll be receiving it the staff is already working on it actually that's not why i brought it up in my last question is is bruce what is your what is your interpretation of what is asset management three pages of that which we will use the guideline to keep moving us forward there are some things in here that need to be change maybe inspection a backflow prevention of voices we've got an ordinance now that says a commercial meeting i had prepared kind of well i had used a power point had been prepared by represent of another community and out of a couple slides at the end and their focus mainly on process and  the key thing for the slope or to this point is to judge whether or not the agreement to join the authority is something that the board finds acceptable or not that isn't to say i'm what i was looking for a decision at this time because i'm not a decision will be needed i would say in january as to whether or not the board wants to vote to add this to a town vote and so you know the it's a decision to have to make so this meeting i thought i might focus just on the agreement itself and i'd try it in the green it's quite lengthy so i tried to pick the sections that dissolved by the members and much of what is in this agreement is actually kind of spelled out in the state statute and i gave the citation here as it relates to the duration the powers of the authority again are pretty much specified by state statute it includes the normal of ari's that i'm in a spot he would have for the most part including the ability to borrow money and carry indebtedness and that's important part because that was raised as a question by a so is jeff that also theresa had some questions on that as well the board of directors according to agreement would vote voting discussion doing waiting right well i going to get to that a little bit later because they're in one circumstance the city burlington does want to have waiting but it will get to that in a couple  key point is that the directors according to agreement would be the town or city manager of each community whether designate a or the mayor if the mayor happens to be the chief executive officer there is quite a bit of discussion on this point and the the franking is that this is a very close extension of a town service even even that as a regional dispatch the service is the police department and the police department is served by a regional de dispatch and so the feeling is that because of that close proximity it's a little bit different than subways district which is pretty much fully a whole separate service it's not integrated within you know closely integrated to public works for example so that's why the feeling is that  managers as the directors for the most part makes sense the course managers recognize that we're also going to need input from others including and specifically police chiefs because they are the ones directly using the service and so we envision having a subcommittee chiefs providing technical advice to the board of directors the oh and i guess i just maybe should pause after every time to see if there's any questions about each of the sections before i move on so i know that the board is going to be made up town managers are there does and they decide whether they designate to do that i'm just trying to get and you mention the point that it's really good to get the input from the police managers it should be in section six i don't have the full agreement right in front of me but i could pull it up but put it in section six of sorts of that because be the more up to date language so on this section and this woman does not it show up in your version fact didn't show up in my latest version either because it came up at our last sort of a committee meeting and that is burlington's interest in having a weighted vote in a very limited circumstance and i don't know exactly have the wording of this because again this is just talking concept but the concept was that if the proposed budget for the upcoming fiscal year the one that we're budgeting for exceeds a certain percentage and i i'm not sure what the percentage is it's like one and wanted to have two percent so in that range if exceeds the cost of living by that percentage then voting would lead the directors would be i remember my actually voting by the legislative bodies would be weighted based on the number of calls for service they are billed for so in other words if the budget goes to the legislative bodies because and there are let it does go each year and they vote on it if the number of towns want to vote against it then the vot else let's say i think i have that number here yeah it just says well currently they represent thirty one percent of the calls williston's eight and a half percent was those are the list of current display members now the percentage will change depending on who actually becomes a member actually burlington may indeed have more like it's a possible yeah  and which i would find untenable i just did it in but but again remember it only if the budget increase exceeds a certain percentage over the cost of living over the cost of living that's a key part right there ok i can't tell you exactly what that percentage is as i said the language is still being worked on yes i would want that i mean if we if this has to be there this weighted average provision i would want that threshold that has to be passed to get to the weighted average voting to be as high as possible  is there anything else in the section sixteen budget an assessment is not we'll move on to the section seventeen cautioning formula and this cost sharing formula it will be specified in detail in the memorandum of understanding which is a separate document from this  the plans are right now to base it on the calls for service and no other factor at this point some of the factors that have been talked about include a grand list value which i was definitely opposed to population which i think is maybe a more reasonable approach but calls for service certainly make sense as well that would be easily track the police chiefs had to define what a call for service is and they've done that so we have a consistent number that they will be using so yes payments on the long term contract are included it's part of the assessment so if there is a debt that's incurred by the we're going to zation we'll still be contributing towards that debt based on our calls for service and then section twenty one withdrawal is probably the you know there's a lot of different steps and considerations there well and there's one problem i see with the way things are worded but i doubt i'll get to them in a moment so if the town those to join in march let's say and actually it's a vote to form the authorit to join it's a vote for the florida and in most him to be a member authority but we're not actually paying for any service or receiving any service until we signed the memorandum of understanding we have three years from the point that we vote authority to actually decide whether or not we want to be a member and in order for the full authority to form i believe somewhere in here it says that three members have to three go to form the authority and the consultant has said that in order for this to work burlington and at least one other community needs to be involved so burlington is key to the success of this organization mean i think that's an oversimplification it's certainly much more difficult because burlington has so many calls it just makes it much more efficient regional region wide and burlington is certainly on board with wanting to get this fine i just want to be biased but it's possible burlington says no we don't want to be part of this at some point in time in that it is going to be stretch i think the authority is that i'm definitely going to be looking to gather as many calls for service from other communities wherever they can to be part of this and to a certain extent if shelburne becomes a member for example they are providing calls for  so on the withdrawal there's a whole set of steps if we do let's say we become a member and after so many years we decide we want to get out we can vote just like we can with the  park district but just as we're planning to do with his cave i park district the first full year following the vote to withdraw we're still a member we're still paying and that's exactly what we've suggested to do if we have a vote to withdraw from th organization any debts that are incurred during the time we're a member of the thirty at some point we want to withdraw we be responsible for our portion of that debt so pulling out does not relieve our response way so that debt and  responsible well i guess you have to evaluate that at the time you're trying you're hoping to withdraw right right i understand but no it's a good question i just it's the other problem of the from the authority standpoint they they need to rely on that money for paying down the debt and you know if they get i but i well i seems if you do have new members coming in how is that affect the distribution of debt and it seems like it should also affect the debt of people that have left course the other point is true perhaps if are unbudgeted costs and expenses arriving at out of activity authority during the time we remember then we're responsible for those which i understand but it says regardless of the process your expenses may be discovered and i also understand that but i don't think mina's probably withdrawing should be responsible for cross that haven't been discovered for an indefinite time period  know so ten years from now this elegy we forget about all these costs and these were incurred when you were a member in the not but if it happened within three or whatever number of years i may be more reasonable i can see that might make sense so that's a point i'm going to raise budget and that the argument i would make its way second if it isn't part of an adopted budget these undiscovered expenses  and i guess have a hard time saying you can go back to somebody who paid their fair share of that budget at the time that budget was passed and those costs were incurred that you would just no money because of this undiscovered expense well i suppose let's say you have a retirement plan for the dispatcher's and come to find out that  communities haven't been putting enough into account and so you have to play catch up and so during the time it had we been a member we would have already been paying a certain amount towards that retirement account during the time we were a member but this wasn't discovered until after we withdrew so it seems like then we maybe have an obligation to contribute towards that fund to catch up only for the time that we were we would have been a member of then we would have been having to pay to anyway i don't know if that's a great example or not that's all i have up with it i get the point but i also get the point of where somebody says wait a second you adopted a budget and you know that was withdrawn and you know you know that budget went through your fiscal review and went through our review we voted to approve it we paid like we're supposed to and now you're coming saying we underpaid because of that district's fault but of course  right section twenty two this is some admission of an isp ality this is paragraph eight of my memo i've pretty much covered this at our last meeting so i don't there's nothing new here other than the i already mentioned it voted down in march or we don't have the voted all then we would have to essentially ask the members of the authority whether if we can become a member and it takes a two thirds vote of the member legislative bodies to allow us to become a member so there's a potential risk there although i would say that right now the authority is banking on getting as many  and of course the other point is that i'm guessing that we won't necessarily even if we vote of joining the form the authority we want to sort of become a member paying member right away that doesn't mean we won't get service and i'm thinking  our fire department let's say we don't join right away we don't agree to sign the memorandum understanding and but shelburne does they're doing our fire dispatch now so we would have to pay the authority for that service and i'm guessing the fee would have to pay would be higher than if we were a member because we'd we don't have the risk of being a member but we are getting a service and so with a sense that we be paying a higher rate right now so we're paying like forty fifty thousand dollars a year and i don't know what that would translate in with the new authority there's a multi step process the amend would first have to be voted adopted by two thirds of the directors of the board then submitted to legislative bodies of all the members as ballets and then it becomes a fact of upon those are all the initial group that are currently on the survey committee actually authorized members as a survey committee not who got voter approval to just correct  like what is it these people came from mars and are now living amongst us without our permission i just you know the terminology drives me nuts but there are there are probably i'm documented folks from other countries who live in wi working with liston and it's the concept of that and there are i'm sure plenty of documented for if that's the correct term  folks from other countries whether they be refugees or whatever it is that they need to excuse your poverty or you know what you and i all seek which is a better a better life for  families who are here and it's the concept of being do we want to be a welcoming community so these so folks who are in these situations do not feel can feel can feel safe and maybe that's the keyword right there and so that's the part of the sanctuary city that tracks me i would that's how i would changed slightly since when this was more of a hot issue but i think the core issue is still there i don't know if becoming a sanctuary city is the best alternative for wilson i honestly don't know but i do believe there are steps will stand can and should take in by steps i mean so that folks here can see it other then you know we say we have a an ordinance that's great but that's not really great that's that's very positive but it's that concept of of positively or actively letting folks know that willesden is a community that it is a safe community is a welcoming community is i think the best way i can describe what it is i'd like us to move forward intoxicated d w i it's not driving under the influence of alcohol for the slightest degree i deal with this all the time that people with this conceptions don't know what the government can do to the degree because we have freedom of the press and we don't have  government and other countries federal law does not grant local and state agencies authority to enforce immigration laws state law does not grant local or state agencies authority to enforce immigration laws subsection  that already and that's great it's it's and first pope to i'm greatly pleased to hear your interpretation and how you feel about that but this is this is i think concept of the sanctuary city is also a bit different release what i'm trying to achieve it's ok so there is an ordinance on the book that's a very good i don't know if it's enormous or policy on the books that's very good but how do we make that known how would somebody know that about williston it's more along those lines how do we what question i guess i'm asking is do we want to promote this you know this that i think one of the things that will last in town government and the select board does well is the nuts and bolts whether we do it well or not i think we try to and we don't promoting this stuff i i get concerned that we're going to start promoting something that is not really issues i don't know my position  that i understand but i would maybe argue the list is more than the nuts and bolts you know we are you know your community and whatever sense that i mean i think the community is very difficult to describe in very difficult to describe how well the sin is as a community whether it be neighborhoods whether it be your will listen as a whole  what what's the difference between the policies that in the whole thing about sanctuary city is not supporting immigration right now backing immigrations plays to do these administrative warrants to because otherwise you can't dictate what other people think right so you get the police you can you can dictate their policy which shepherd has he really did that and i actually didn't see it before this time wit you're one of the major things about this this general order here that as i see it it's it's not a symbolic policy it is a law enforcement policy and by that i mean it keeps people in willesden safe because you don't want a witness to a crime running away because they can't afford to possibly have any interaction with the police or you can have a crime victim particularly a particularly vulnerable victim a sexual victim or some other not reporting it because they don't want to be deported and taken away from their children and so when i look at it this way and i think this one of the only ways to look at it it is a it is good gning and i want to kill her i mean that seems what i want to be careful here that i'm because we have got the groundwork a political statement against the current administration is i mean i see in a sense were a lot of people see ballet you win that that's a little bit where i start that crosses the line from for me a little bit about that becomes very dangerous for a select board maybe to start doing this is hopefully that was a community conversation that was screened fostered though right but it's more my point it's more along those lines that i'm thinking the select boards participation or or promotion for lack of better words would i don't have it a good answer for that week that's i guess that's good that's kind of the point because it seems like we've we've done what i thought was or think of  sanctuary cities raid cities where you're not going to be persecuted based on just being in the immigrant because immigrants as well as illegal immigrants are the ones that are here targeted and so they don't do that here right plight and the police public piece of it is a big piece of it but you know probably between you know the seven of us eight of us in the room now and maybe a bunch of lawyers who have had to deal with this and the police department itself there's probably very few people in the state who know about this it's true that a huge amount of my time this is true about a huge amount absolutely right yes that's true that's not believe it was required under state law so it's not a wilston thing yeah it's a state thing so in general vermont is welcoming yeah a it's you know what is the town believing in the it's really i mean i'm i'm being facetious right now but i suspect there's some communities where they would be you know somewhere some in this valley somewhere where they'd be happy to say no you know we think i'm a quote unquote illegal immigrant should be you know our police department should be just sitting them out and finding them and in and taking the next step to ha i think the policy yeah yeah i i i'm i was and i'm offering a slightly different opinion there i would like us to see us to be more proactive  not proactive in terms of we need to do another ordinance or that's just proactive in terms of the message getting the message out there rick can i ask you when this was done is there anything you know there i was even aware of the chief did talk to me about it though and what he told me was that a model form of been developed by your wish group or the i know it the vermont training council yes and the criminal justice crane whatever the full name of it as and so he pretty much took that and adopted it with a very little revision some communities have you know adopted it with more but revisions but as long as the essence is there as and the essence is what the state law requires know i like the idea of sanctuary city obviously and i'm certainly in that area but i was actually surprised at how far this weds i was looking forward to the session today and when i read this order i was  very pleasantly surprised as i think that's as well but can i ask when the new chief comes in is this something that can be as quickly wiped away as was added to our violation to tell the town manager who will tell us if any changes to this general  it's close to eighty so the deadline is friday so we're getting down towards the end of that i am going to be forming a panel and i would like  living on here community justice center funding the we've received word that the mount of money that will be available to county justice center is going to be decreasing where i'm having i perceiving from state officials is that the money will be relocated to other just the senate outside of  feeling is that jim kelly has gotten a disproportionate share of the money unfortunately it's going to have a potentially negative impact on the various justice souter's at orange and county in wellston is one of the terms of the results it's one of the best in the state my concern is that it's going to pit multiple justice centers within shouldn't county against each other because they're creating it as a request for proposal so our justice center is going to have to submit a proposal in order to continue operating as a justice center and they will view those proposals as the competitive basis which is why i say we're going to be kind of pitted against other justice enters because we're going to be competing for the same pool of money and i think that's going to create that's all going to sort itself out but then we have the other thing is a diminished resources and so we're going to take a look at what resources the town is putting into it above and beyond cash because we're not putting any cash into it but we are providing a space we're providing supervision by the police department and some supervision from my office as well and you know telephone and you know all the things that go with a building in space  and so that's a resource we need to clearly identify the value of that and then secondly we need to begin exploring immediately the possibility of receiving money from for some of the services lee provide so we're looking at all these things and we'll be talking about it during the budget process but i want to let you know that this is something that's going to be coming up and they were trying to get all this done that they being the state and have it in place for the start of next fiscal year july first and i said well that's not going to work very well because we're doing the budgets now for next fiscal year and we won't know until january february what whether we get the money and how much we get and that'll be too late for us to do anything so i suggest if they could kind of get the process started now but work it in so that we have a more advanced warning like maybe physically or twenty nineteen it might work better for us we have no idea that's that's part of the problem i do not know if the top of my head well let's say we have one full time employee and one part time so let's say one hundred thousand you know but that doesn't include the in kind services the towns providing know because you know it's kind it's been there and the ascension has been treated as our contribution towards a grant because there is a local contribution required that's been our contribution but it's never been clearly defined it probably should have but we will be defining it but necessity now because we need to know what the entire cost of the program is so if we're going to other municipalities asking for contributions they're going to need to know what that w be but we also need to know what the shortfall is because we're not going to be asking for the entire amount we're just going to be asking for the shortfall in revenue from what we're losing from the state so it puts us in a very awkward position on that count as well them the final load is a couple of our firefighters went down to the houston area to help out with some of the emergency response activities i haven't heard i haven't had a status report from one since i wrote this report my understanding is they drove down and i don't know why it wasn't just there represents from other communities as well drove down as a group and presumably they have to drive back  so i have got a recent report on this this is the first time we've sent members as part of this organized group we there was another hurricane in two thousand and twelve the hurricane sandy where we organized group shall we say there's we've done this in the past night and i think it's a good thing to do and and i know when we had hurricane irene the other states helped not wellston because we didn't have any problems here but so it's a good good thing to do if you have the resources to offer the help so that's all i had for this evening thank you rick is there any other business to talk about tonight