the following takes place and welcome to another edition of a time out for sports like the award winning time out for sports talk where we won't be talking celtics tonight but they are on the screen right now the only thing we won't be talking about tonight of the celtics oddly enough we were sure of irony here want to post any comments using that hash tag will go check that out a little bit later on in the show and i don't know if we're going to be able to if we're ready to go to our next camera i was going to get ready to introduce the man in the co pilot's chair the n f l and points twenty three and who would have ever thought that and our guest well there he is right here the gentleman if we go to our cutaway we've got a wonderful cutaway introducing this gentleman he has been on many talk shows throughout the the name patriots was born in the franchise was officially born as the boston patriots back then fact if if we go to or was going to say this they had back in the days when this wasn't even the logo yet because they had another hell yeah you probably should for many years people were butchering it and you just said forget it we're just going to drop the d and  you know the new england six pack that's right i mean such an embarrassment of riches by the way we're going to get that celtic logo out of there at some point to put up a patriot one but anyway until we do this i'm just reminding the folks in the booth just in case they forgot but this wonderful  assured here in new england i mean i just it's an embarrassment of riches and one of reasons we wanted to bring bob in for this show was just a you know not only celebrate the patriots th super bowl win and i cannot believe i'm saying that hey there's the flying elvis where you from patriots or the flying elvis there it is but it's just it's it really is an absolute embarrassment of riches i mean i you know i run it we're running out of room on our table for championship hats and it's just it's just been not but i don't know if they actually have an official whose story i mean they have guys that go back but i was telling you before the show you know i had a chance to spend a lot of time with a lot of guys back in the sixty's and will mcdonough was one of the st guys that i actually got a chance to meet and talk to  was one of the st guys that actually kept stats of the team and he was having some health issues and i told him i says this is why i write what i want to do i want to chronicle and says well you know i'll give you whatever you need and i'll present you and introduce you to everyone because i'm not going to be here that much longer so you complete the stats farm for a while now i don't know but i wanted to chronicle you know all the history of the team you know and he was the one to know it so he had some stuff he gave me access he actually introduced me to some of the former chief statisticians of the team that either were retired or had a whole bunch of stuff in the attic and stuff like that and i called a few of them and i actually spent some time with pete palmer who  in his transition of you know giving up the statistician of the team and i said how do you do this how do i attack it where do i go to get this information and i spent many many hours looking to microfilm it the boston public library and looking up so i would come home at night and you know and look through seventy to seventy three and just look at everything that ever happened to mack herin you know and sam bam cunningham and all that kind of stuff and then i had to go back to the sixty's and when they were the boston patriots and they play pot they had a lot is that from way back and then they had a fire and they lost a lot of their records so the only people that actually had the records were former employees so the patriots that have that stuff when you call the biggest one and we don't have any that's not we don't have any film we don't have that stuff so luckily for when welnick done ronnie hobson and some of the guys that i knew with some of the papers they said talk to this guy act like that guy and i was able to put the big it together some pieces of the puzzle and then eventually got to the patriots through stacey james and said you know i'm missing a couple years here can you put something together and you hired an intern to put together the play by play it like if you were talking before you the play by play of the sioux ball where you know every single line well the patriots hired an intern to put together every single play by play of every single game and put it on a disc with me wow so rather than go into the patriots i had that you know they actually hired someone to do this for you or me and you weren't actually the official stat man for the pats  and then eventually he would call me there were a couple times he called my office and called me at work and said bob i know you got that stuff somewhere we don't know where it is can you tell us about this game or how cold was this game or where was this game and oh yeah and i had some of them in my office and some it at home and two things one is we tried to get geno capillary into the hall of fame and he wrote the forward and i spent many many hours with you know and we came close and we didn't but i got a lot of notoriety i was on eighty element show and t v and i kind of stuff from and then  presentation for the hall of fame is i've been on the radio a couple times and he called me about these obscure stats and he says for fourteen years i've been saying the same story about andre tippett i have one more shot fifteen years we don't get it and then we're going to the veterans committee and a lot more difficult to tell me something that i don't know about andre tippett when i do my presentation i can give that to the the crowd so i called patriots and i said i need access ok fine and i spent about two months looking it game about eight pages of stuff and said i may as well as in this play and i play double team whatever and he used some of my stats in his presentation and the guy's like what we know andre was great but we didn't know about that game we didn't know about that game when you get all the stuff well so that had something to do with it but yeah i mean they were always kind of like the you know they were the you know the the runt of the litter and so to see if you know what i you know i would know they were they were especially with the whole you know history behind you know from the past with the a mention if you grew up in boston there was a quite a stretch after the join the n f l where you couldn't even watch the games the home games at least once they sold out which they a lot of times they did and back then you had the the old n f l blackout rules for those of you i mean as i'm sure many of our so i'm in this room and we're going to all this stuff and stacy james the guy that runs all the behind the scenes in the press conferences that becomes in the room and says the n f l does call them we want to put together a team so every team has a home crew and we want to identify every player on every play we don't know how this is going to work but we don't know anyone more serious about statistics than you you take a day off from work you can enter you spent fourteen hours you don't work for a paper you don't work for rate media this is just for you for your own stats this is years before the book even come out he says but you know i you're serious about this we need someone serious you want to jump get wet when was this about two thousand two hundred and thirteen years so this is two thousand and five ok so  they said what are we doing so i will figure out the st year was kind of a prototype figured out what we do with this four of us and we take pictures and we take pictures of the both sides ahman one end zone as another guy in other end zone where  on top of the scoreboard one hundred and sixty feet up our mobile where the old van is used to be and we'll take pictures as a coming out of the huddle before the play happens so we'll take forty five pictures pictures in the middle to the left to the right so i'm on one  other guys the other side and each quarter a guy will take a disk out of our camera go into the computer and match up every one of those clays thirty seven his busy six pictures from the north six pictures of the self look at the pictures and type in all twenty two players at the end of the game about an hour after the game they'll identify all one hundred and seventy thousand one hundred and eighty plays and now identify all twenty two dollars players on both sides of the field kick off sponsor everything and then stand at the n f l and in the n f l release it's nineteen it's fifty two dollars whatever so when you see grog within twenty seven percent of the plays that information comes from ah pictures well and how many how many other photographers are on the staff with you all this for us of those two guys that are more computer guys than the cameramen i like being outside so i'll take about a one thousand pictures during a game wow you know i'm out there you know fifteen degrees and you know six layers and two pairs of gloves and once we're going to get this open you know that happened once or twice  think it's frozen but that's all right but i've been doing this thirteen years and every week so i'm the patriots part of the patriots home team so detroit as their own team atlanta or whatever so you know we actually get paid by the n f l the n f l pays us so we're part of the wow staff so what do you actually do before this before the game no no because this is a living or a career i mean well i do finance you know i'm in the numbers and finance and accounting background and you know i because like i was saying to you before the show that you know baseball cards lots of people collect baseball cards and there are a lot more readily available football cards you really got a you really got to hunt for and like you had mentioned that a lot of the a lot of players don't even have cards right because they're just grandson you know and you know that really motivated me to to keep going and to find guys that you know maybe played in three games but you know i want to know what their games are indicus and their grand great uncle nice neighbor or something research what they actually did you know and you know it wasn't you know like today where everything is on e s p n and the n f l network and everything else it's just a little piece of history that if they strike them so now prior to getting thousand seats that nicholson feel the robotics field to be a field and about thirty thousand people showed up so billy solves it i'm not turn this money down so come on into five bucks you can stand around the sidelines and next thing you know you've got five thousand people infield around the sidelines and we're playing the dallas texans thanks trams the coach will win the game and then you know with about thirty seconds to go they cotton davidson throws a pass for about sixty yards and a guy runs out of bounds but the two add line and back then you couldn't tell whether the game was over not so all the people there were five or six deep run onto the field and they're up the referee says no no no there's one more play left so now you've got all these people that were probably in the seats now they're even more compact along the sidelines and there are at the two yard line one play left and there's one guy that actually just kind of barely walked through the end of the end zone and then as the play happened walked back onto the field like he was a middle linebacker and the with the before he still two hundred and thirty four years old so he goes out and he's boozing it up on friday night and saturday and exactly drinking in the pocket a lot the day before because some of his friends the tickets to the game he actually is able to talk his way into the stadium even though it was sold out because his name was in the program the guy allows him in and as he climbs in to the stadium kind of three shots that are when he realizes that the coach is a stand and like thirty feet f and he says man i don't want the coaches to see me so he's crawling on his belly to try to hide it and kind of get to another area of the hobbit stadium where they wouldn't see him and as he's doing that one of the guys on the patriots team didn't want to  for three days i was a break in some wine and hot dogs not a good pre game meal so he lines up and he's on a kickoff and he says i'm just going to run down the field run off the field and catch my breath because of mean i'm not fired up for this as he's running off t jake scott gets to avoid some of his block is runs through it area where it was wide open any bumps and are glad your running off the field bob glad you'll make the tackle becomes famous for being a drunk in the stands that comes into the game makes the opening viewers are probably listening to some of these stories and go with what team are you even talking about but it is it is lo and behold the patriots and yeah i mean it's incredible to watch this franchise and now of course you've got a great bird's eye view bob these last you know dozen or so years you know taking pictures of the team and everything and yeah i mean let's let's just talk about i mean you brought up chick scott too right i mean well i can if i remember correctly was a former super bowl m and that was back in the seventy's when the miami dolphins were the last team to lose the super bowl or then come back the next year and win a super bowl and we kind of briefly mention this i think on our last show and of course when they thinking you know i think we were talking about it before the season started how we the patriots had so much history working against them teams to lose the super bowl don't even get back to the game the next year there's there's a lot of don't even make the playoffs right yeah and then this team obviously fighting all that history they're only the th team to lose and get back to the game next year they're only the rd team to what to actually win it the next year the other two miami we mention was the last in the year before dallas had done it so those are the only three franchises to ever do what not to mention the patriots are also but but it really it really is an embarrassment of riches and again this is you know one of the highlights from the game actually we threw up this picture because it was the only touchdown of the games that turned out to be you know this is the other crazy thing here i mean the lowest score you gave i mean you know we get things don't even make this so many things that don't really make a lot of sense but and we have you know again bringing it back to the seventy two dolphins one hundred and forty seven they beat the redskins in the super bowl that year that had been the lowest scoring super bowl until super bowl fi record i mean we you know we all gave super bowl actually i asked not to give an apology on our last show we when we were taking scores from the callers one of things we normally do at the end of that show is we tell you all of our scores and we never did that so i apologize i will tell you that none of us were remotely close to getting the score right in fact i think one of our callers said patriots two thousand three hundred and twenty one and in terms of like number of points scored that person came closer than any of us we all had scores in like the high twenty's low thirty's you know and so not obviously thirteen to tendencies are this is what they tend to do they run ninety five percent of their oftens out of the you know the one running back one tight end set three wide receiver so you would think that you know shawn that they might try to do something a little like if it's that predictable i mean you can't go up against causing the biggest game his career it's you know it's in the super bowl he's so young you know i don't want to throw somebody curve balls at this kid these are going to know which way is up let me just have him do what he's been doing all along throughout the season and one of the i mean brian  funny most of the media try to make it out that they would do in the rams are doing that to mess up the patriots no no no it's the other way around and then the thing is you would think that ok if if  if the patriots know that that's you know how they're going to you know that it's all based on that they are telling god what to do i mean couldn't they have combat that i mean i guess the times the rams combated that by going to more of a hurry up or snapping the ball before the before the  i mean with the run of the ball and keep it out there was another thing they did against the ramp to kind of like mess them up in the defense tie you know to at the end you know yeah i know that was definitely a big factor and then of course you know when that when the patriots needed to get a big scoring drive together  they certainly one of the guys they looked for a robber and koski and we got to course the photo of of grant here this was the big catch the one that got him down of the two yard line another thing that's just unfathomable specially in a in a year where you had a and fifty one game between the chiefs and rams and was being touted as this is the future of the n f l you end up with the lowest scoring super bowl of history and also if it wasn't for gronk making this catch there would have been no place in this game run in the red  the baseball game i love the defensive battle in football you know same in hockey two to eleven i enjoy those and a lot of people want to see all the score and everything but i love a game where any one play every play mean something so much that you're going to be on the edge of a seat and you've got to be thinking every play because that might be the one that ends it not this back and forth back and forth that is a mistake you know this is like that the prince of plays i mean butler to me you know that play seattle my wife watched over and to it's going to be awesome and then they didn't but that team that i saw in game one in the defense came for the last game of the season you know you know which they didn't really do but i remember seeing in the st game saying if they can just play like this we're go kind of completing the whole six back it's not complete without interception by number twenty four there you go by law then stefan gilmore now and of course that was obviously the other the last chance that they had and once again brandon cook's kind of the short end to that but it was a that the final seconds of a game but hey there's the you know the clinching field goal you know by the way what you guys think of the decision there to th and inches all they have to do is maybe brady runs a pattern the quarterback sneak in the disc and run up the yes really you know you just you think about you know everything from that day they say the game really you know just when you think you know everything about these get you know these games you know it's going to turn out again one hundred and thirty three we just didn't see it coming but it was just so impressive that this team saved their best play for i'm on both sides of the ball the office of the defense and you know it's a i mean i guess it was already official that this was a dynasty of a franchise but now i mean six super bowls ties pittsburgh i mean i still like to go back you know i still must think that this this right here the last like five years for super bowl appearances in five years and three plus the three the last two well right well i almost think that this is sort of the karmic payback for them losing the perfect season in seven like maybe in a in a different universe they went nineteen a no but none of this happened like maybe gronk never got his he didn't last adelman got too many concussions whatever happened like like this one of the last five years probably never happened maybe the they got to the game once and lost or something but i'm just i almost feel like this is the karmic payback for that like somehow the football god said ok you're not getting one thousand and we're going to leave that the shoe on the dolphin you know they're going to be the only perfect team but we're going to give you a we'll give you another little  season undefeated and this would be two different areas two different amounts of games you know it could still be done and still be good on both sides i don't think they'll ever be paid back to losing their game on that catch that is just you know that i something but even now i mean you know here we are now six super bowls only the steelers have as many and we've been you know i just the fact that you know when you look at number of super bowl appearances now the patriots have made a eleven super bowl appearances that's more than any other team in  nd place there are three teams but also there are two there is a player tom brady with nine appearances in the super bowl and a head coach bill belichick who's been a head coach for one super bowl and then you go to you go to the steelers the cowboys in the  so well we let me ask both you guys i mean you know this whole era i mean it's like trying you know and i guess at this point trying to you know rank these six super bowls it's like trying to rank your children which you know you  know i it's really hard i mean it's really hard to try to personally write all these i will still arguably maybe because the st one was so special and so unexpected that we you know right here that we box there it is thank you for bringing us and bob and we're going to go to the picture as well and then to be fourteen point underdogs and to have gil santo's you know announce you know and john madden you know you guys should go away for overtime all of those things because any time you want to a game if we got a kickoff return for a touchdown w just in such an improbable run that year you know just you know obviously the year starts with blood so he gets hurt two weeks in and you know i'm in the hole for you right now and then you know that way that's probably what made that one special but i think the a little game is just i was so close but i remember a celtics game that i left when it looked like they couldn't win and they end up winning double overtime and i was in a chinese restaurant with tickets away and go and why did i even that was so i said if i shut the soften the come back i'm going to be i'm going to hate myself for not watching the greatest comeback of super history so going to sit here and suffer but i don't suffer at the end so you know that to me that's something you'll never you know well that one i guess has got to be up there too let's show you what let's show the picture of that when there's james the broadcast of fifty one you know the fact he kept saying no teams ever come back but i think in the st fifty super bowl games the biggest comeback ever been ten points and only been done twice and the patriots are one of them a down the super forty nine against the seahawks against new england having fans who by the way filled up the mercedes benz stadium you know that sounded like a home game and brady joked after it and then the the rams having no fans who really care because here's the thing todd gurley supposedly was healthy right but for whatever reason in the last two games he barely was part of their oftens now if that's different than malcom butler being in zero plays defensively i get it but if you if you had real fans in los angeles you'd be upset about the beast right so you know he stopped them and it forced pete carroll to turn around and decide well we'll get that off to him again except wait a minute no no let's try to outsmart built you know well didn't like to do that in this game when they were done it one point he threw when he thought they thing coming in with all the you know different you know you see i'm going away from the this the traditional quarterback as i call the teams that go in the other way now you think that's going to become the way the n f l now the way things are going well i mean it's a lot of it is the adjustments they make and you get a little bit of a run there for a while i mean the you know the bill walsh you know west goes off and that kind of stuff that lasted for a while but you know you know the rams was going thirty three points a game and we shut them off down to three is that going to change things now i mean you know the defense attacking and stopping guys i mean the tie law rule that happened way back in the day we receive is there's going to be adjustments in it they want a lot of points to school and i'm just wondering if you know think of the former patriot old friend to keep the lead trying to defend the edelman ten catches for a buck forty one and you know even though he didn't get into the end zone he had some big catches on the touchdown scoring drive isn't it great though you look at what he's doing he's actually pushing his arm away so we plan to tackle him you know i mean that's that's something that you look at that's repetition over over learn how to do something like that you don't naturally do that you know you might be covering the bomb and you know but to say i'm going to push is a way so we can't about the n f l and you know the detractors will say well you know he hasn't doesn't make it a pro bowls and you know as an off sixteen game season where he's been healthy all the time but that's part of it where you look at guys that are in the hall of fame and joe name with the hall of fame  you know you look at it is what i mean his he you know allowed the leagues to merge you know lynn swann did he have huge numbers but no he made the acrobatic catches in the super bowls and that kind of stuff i think the fact that he's nd all time  ago when he did this all and come back from the c l surgery well and that and that's the super bowl they didn't win even the four in the last five years of the year he was out edelman misses last year they don't win the superbowl when he was healthy and brady could find them they won three brady and the boy in the a quarterback the idolized growing up there's the comparison now look at that almost twice as many postseason wins for tom brady over again the his boyhood idol joe montana and of course now to more tell i'm in the process of updating that in a digital version so we're going to have a digital version of that in the patriots hall of fame later this year so it's going to be built into the wall so you want to look up a player that played in one thousand nine hundred and seventy three and it was two games