back of that clover is actually at the same depth amazingly enough it's back to where it was it's a larger colder and a better over there actually that's how far down it was before amazingly enough and the road is the same with that actually from my understanding from named it pitches almost the same i think what you and i are recognizing is it was a very visible form very grown up and now we're really were oh well look at this deep in them and so i'm not sure how much is really changed it may have always been there that doesn't  cost as one and then there's steve requirements i think that looks at the picture of what it is and when it's required by the state we actually just signed off recently with the state put it there or not there's currently a lot of fuss over people hitting the ends of car rails and some guardrails are real hard on the end of some of them staying with their current plan and it's a four percent increase you could get it reduced if you increased the co pay a three dollars instead of one but it was reduced so those are the premiums are down here it's a seven point one percent increase over last year and i haven't gotten the paperwork directly from the cross here but i assume i will and a the exchanges working for small players and so blue cross will just bring you our current plan and what we have given you were done last year but what they gave us was we bought the platinum talked about this last year in the previous one up for you to balance that so well i think i don't remember balancing the h r a number of amount but we can do that because we can we do that every january i remember would have to go down kirk which is what we did last year we tried to find out and a number an amount that was very close to that and what percent was that and forty five was very close it were exactly very close so now you look at forty two you know  we should give something to these employees because if we don't you know they're going to just turn around and sign up why shouldn't they you know and they were paying a premium so like i did i say for certainly feels it is help we surveyed a bunch of cities around find out what they are but i know listen i don't know if you were i don't know i was wondering if you were thinking i've always thought that the thought being is oh it saves the town money because someone would take health insurance but in many ways it's a little bit of a gamble if that's the truth or not because some people probably could have good health insurance somewhere else of course they're not going to double dip in insurance so really if you didn't offer it there is also a good chance that they don't take the insurance if it not totally convinced that that's in the  could say for example if you have a sabella that's very well insured and then you're an employee here you're going to take that better insurance if it's not here and then you wouldn't take the insurance here right that well the thing  employees or if you know companies over fifty like the people whose spouses work or learned organizations you know they can they can have that they're not really governed by that yet again remember when they're going to back up to twenty seventeen so they could never touch the state because they have a spouse teacher credibly rich plan no and they were about to drop it and take a step plan so why should the state for example be offering them three thousand dollars to percent but that is with visits the difference between a couple under the normal policy minus what it is and in medicare it is forty five percent of that tendency so i don't understand why we take the seven percent away from  h r a he just wanted to tell keep it neutral you know if we're going to have a seven percent increase in healthcare costs that's a big number for the last year we thought that this was a fair plan that we offered seventy ninety to do a single and thirty five eighty two to a couple abandoning which which meant that you were spending co channel then doesn't cover the co pay doesn't cover anything it has nothing to do with what the insurance is except that that is the offers whole life or universal however they are offering starting next year term life course houses are children and it's all employees  employee and and from what i've seen i really most of the people who are current sounds as if they have to pay for it and they take it but you know it's like fourteen you paid full amount and this year i know you're in the process of paying and we've got our first quarterly payment and i know it's huge and we're so thrilled so thank you thank you for that a lot has happened since a site you last have gone now to and i initiated this actually cousy trying to find funding at a subsidize the cost for the towns and which has been an issue for years and obviously it's the ongoing issue of towns that pay in towns that don't pay so the way we work because we have eight investigators that are in kind of nations from towns and then we have towns such as yours that cover our operating costs with with cash and those towns are basically contributing the officer contributing towns we give them the value of about eighty thousand dollars plus six thousand for a vehicle so our cruising budget including the end kind in the donation of the state's attorney the hundred thirty we've kept or at about the seventy two thousand dollar mark for the last five years but i was just told by the g s building and grounds that our rent is going to be increased by six thousand  am hoping to be been very fortunate for that status to give us the building that we're living in the rentals been a thousand dollars a year which has been wonderful and then i got a call in february from the commissioner saying that they want to raise our rent sixty thousand thirty nine hundred square feet it's in the basement it's basically a sub drain in space it's done it's been fantastic for us and it's very family friendly not appraised i mean i guess i have had to praise i brought into friends that are commercial real estate people i brought in somebody from parma and somebody from davis realty and they've guesstimate they've said with what we get with utilities and so forth that we should be paying about nine to thirteen dollars a square foot  and obviously they want a lot more sign and they actually fighting hard for that right now that our rent will not increase they've guaranteed they're going to do it incrementally so next year f y sixteen they're starting  fourteen thousand and then it'll go up and ultimately the last proposal was forty eight thousand versus the sixty my goal is to get it to nothing and you know because they asked me what do you want i suspect it's not in my budget i can afford this so there's a lot of discussions going on i've actually been testifying in front of the legislature to mashes the head of the fiscal joint fiscal he is from burlington and so i got ten together w ten ashes on the board and they are all absolutely in favor and understand the need to work raising more money for us i use throughout the state so we're considered a special investigative unit and we are cousy is the model we've been around for for twenty years and after brooke bennett was killed governor douglas allocated and it was over a million dollars to start units all over the state because there was such a need for the crimes we investigate all sex crimes including child homicides and cigarettes physical abuse child abuse and if you've read the paper the last year we've already had more child deaths and so it's been a really trying year there's been obviously more of a need for crimes are getting more heinous and more complicated with all the devices and the computers and cell phones and the forensics that have to be done on these all of these you know computers and so forth we have the eight investigators eight detectives and one of them is this in charge of the unit he's the director so he doesn't necessarily do the actual investigations he supervises  about just how many hours if you know in the cases that you've seen the little boy and shelburne and there was one of the new ski in just that countless hours and that's just to date we're not even the cases are still open so there's thousands of hours that these officers are putting in for these crimes i think under a hell this year had one sex offense and you have eight sex offenders in case you're interested in living in the community we're going to be starting next week our sex offender sweeps we call them and we do for the world what we do and we do those twice a year and we go out it's part of our work to make sure that everybody is in compliance so anybody that's on the sex registry has to be living where they are signed and telling the state that they're living if they're not in compliance then they get they get arrested so we're sort of in the middle of the sweeps right now and basically they go out it team we work with the u s marshals we work with probation a poor old army corrections in our team so we get assists from them and they go door to door and we just knock at night and you know unannounced obviously so they don't know that they're coming  then if they're not there they get several tries before they're written up most of them have been in compliance this far i think there's been one hundred ninety seven checks throughout chipping county and they've all been in compliance so that's just another thing that we we do most of the cases unfortunately are child cases we average about sixty five percent of child cases it's actually more right now so but historically it's about sixty five and that's why this child advocacy center which i'm the director of and it said basically a one stop shop so if something happens to your child got for bed you come to us instead of going to the uniformed cops and they are dressed just like you and they are interviewed in our very family friendly there's a play around we have the video recordings and everything is videotape so that we hope that the child will not have to go testify usually they don't have to sometimes they ball i don't have a crystal ball i wish i did right now what the discussion has become to happen so i've testified twice and there's one more meeting in november and then that committee that funding study committee is going to the legislature in january and they will make their alleviate town funding or at least take the burden off of you guys so that may be wonderful only has to give us two thousand versus six to nine thousand so they'll go another way to subsidize the cost and so we don't know how to do that there's been a debate about county tax but i don't see that necessarily coming through they're also talking about just taking a chunk of money and reallocating it from the general funds and giving every s s i you you know a chunk of money if that's done and then yeah have suggested that there is accountability and that you know that funding is based on size in case load and accreditation i just went through a very rigorous credit deshaun that arjuna every five years where accredited by the national children's alliance and i have to conform to step ten standards and those standards are forensic interviewing and you know when you run your business and d t s and and m d t is the multi disciplinary team which is the co of our unit and with that means is that the d c in house d c s investigator it's the victim advocate and myself the detectives the designated prosecutor and we actually work with pediatric trauma specialist and mental health provider and we sit down at the table almost daily to talk about cases so that those cases everybody is in touch with one another is the victim advocate doing her job and my calling parents and making sure that the family is getting that than what they need with therapy and everything else and because of the fact and because we're not all units sonali units in vermont or is fortunate as we are and most of them are not co located like that most of the units in the rural areas of the state have like one one part time true borough and one part time maybe a city cop that's donated and so you know it's hard it's obviously hard for them to do the cases but it is sort of you know depending on population and so rutland i know when they just had a big baby death with deseret sheldon they only have a happier time so so everybody this but everybody is trying in this state there's twelve the same use and they are trying to  and i think that's important so the investigations are more comprehensive and they have better outcomes as well the defense bar is becoming really tough i mean they're scrutinizing every case so when we start investigating a case from day one if we get the  call not only our guys thinking about you know what they are doing is as police officers but they have to think long term like when this gets to the court what's going to happen and this is going to you know get thrown out so on and that's the part of the m t t that letterman nonentity it's a task force it's because the eight detectives are donated from their agencies they're all employed by their agency they're paid by their agencies through whom towards you i am employed now just as july first from the child town gives us is put into a plot with the other towns for that you know last year was seventy two thousand and that's what we pay our bills up to keep the lights on basically and then the other money i get like the thirty thousand and nine thousand from n year i got some money for gas cards and hotel costs and grocery cards and helping people that way and we also have a counselor that's coming in and helping every brand so he's helping actually the staff like strong given all the child fatalities it's been really really difficult and taken its toll on the investigators we we only allow the investigators to stay with us for three to five year period we ask for a minimum of three years because once when they come into our unit we're immersing them in training and it's that's where a great portion of the cost is for the trainings i just send some denver one of our lead detectives for child p tallies and he said it's you know he testified with me last week and down at the state house because it was so beneficial like training and just the things that they're learning and like i said unfortunately there seems to be more of a need and i'm i don't have the facts on this and judge then joseph is on our board now and he's doing something on a show in a few weeks with drugs but there has been such an influx as you know with the opium problems and mental health issues and so when we are investigating the cases we really are seeing you know  multifaceted isn't all that that is coming into the sex crime arena as well and so that's another battle that we're dealing with and it's making everything that much more difficult so  i deal with yeah and i can the best the best i can answer that right now is in two thousand and twelve you were billed ninety four hundred believe it was ninety four hundred dollars and then we changed our  funding mechanism we went from caseload average to population and it went down and towns we were getting giving refunds to some of the bigger towns like burlington something they were taking the funds as well the   and you going to be at where you thousand and twelve probably under the ninety eight ninety four hundred mark the closer to nine thousand the reason for that is towns the contributing towns or maybe they want to start taking getting a refund as well for the towns that are contributing burlington gives us you know two hundred and something forty two thousand dollars and police officers and so there's just such a discrepancy so they that some towns that didn't take money back south burlington ever took money back essex didn't colchester but we foresee them wanting money back then we've got the rental issues that are increasing so we have to add on to that so we're it's sort of a bait we're doing the best we can i'm right in the midst of writing my a sixteen budget i have a pretty solid idea of where we are but i can't you know proceed with seventeen i'll be at this point and obviously i'm hoping that meeting with the legislature that they will come up with some some conclusion to th year the into government great green you get it year that you're talking about and then the board i don't know i'm really not clear and i've asked for clarification on this when he said three years with his riches as you know we still have to go to the voters who matter what we're putting a line in a budget as you're not my inclination would be to put it back in there again but it's a little bit strange to sign an agreement i am exterior money that's not ours to commit and i am completely in support of speaker myself with what you guys do as a tax payer not a selectman i would not stand up at a town meeting and say i don't want to give cousy money i don't want to help out kids so i'm awfully behind you i just don't understand it just to clean almost like what we're supposed to do here i guess what i would tell you and obviously this is not the problem i weren't saying this but if you are comfortable signing a one year commitment because you don't now that you know f y fifteen well i know i just got a quarterly payment from you so i'm assuming that that's going to continue on for the rest of the year and you for prove that like fifteen budget for f y sixteen you know i e you can hold off until the voters voted the townspeople and then if you want