property it which there weren't any trees and now these told these trees are very tall and i was concerned with those trees defeating one another and some of them maybe in falling down into the cemetery and damaging the cemetery stones which are ancient stones not replaceable but what happened in the minutes though it's that i was concerned with the liability for the church if trees fell on the church a totally different position from what i was a clear so rather than fight so what i said that night is what i was reading from mike green to you is i would like the council of our church to take a position and i haven't talked to them yet but i will be the next meeting words in this case yeah you sound like a really good idea well if you don't he'll fight for me but i don't think nobody paid much attention to those trees and i think there is a danger there once you got to  and i live off of planes around and so i'd like to make a comment regarding speed surveys on skunk colorado and to make it easier and faster on this read something i understand that you recently completed a speed survey on scum karl rove during the height of frost heave season in my opinion any speed survey taken during frost heave season march and april according to the posted road hundred eighty nine dollars below that have the prices for the warranty that would be purchased from the truck so you got the chassis price the cost of the cost of the actual transmission engine when you add in the costs of the warranties the tables turned so to speak the freightliner becomes the international comparing the two or experience with them and some of the benefits we saw with the highway department  saw is that the freightliner thought provided the most benefit in terms of comparing to the international one of the big ones that  trivial but until you actually experience it is a big difference and tim and catherine experienced this today is the visibility out of the truck freightline plan hydraulics and that sort of thing so that was a benefit there the other one is there's also there's a difference in the rear suspension  from jericho but one of the one of the neat things that comes with the freightliner is what they call a virtual technician so if any time the the truck is out and should have a check engine light come on or some other light it will send an e mail to me and the dog also to the service manager saying exactly what the fault code is so we know what the issue is not just that there is an issue and the nice thing about that is that it allows us to know is it something that we need to deal with now or can we deal with it later and i was fully alert service department so they you know when we call up their ready know information so that is our recommendation is to go with the freightliner there's some information in here you'll see about financing cost you'll see that with the interest rate we were quoted in in the body and and the price of the freightliner that will actually come in about two hundred dollars less than what we had budgeted as our annual payment for five years so that's always a bonus  actually got slips of the shop i could actually get you the accurate numbers on a little what's what's the weight rating on all pump road bridge the length of the truck the size of the truck has anything to do with that but you know there were times this winter that bridge was almost from passable it was just awful i mean we have you know snow capped a foot deep much as possible but the way that a lot of these burgers they have concrete curves on somehow curves were very real on doesn't allow the snow or the sand or anything through you don't get off the bridges  the tandem axle truck is really being a little bit of overkill for some situations that's just my  the bridge but so you know i worry every time i see a truck that large come across are you worried that they're just pounding that down even further  it goes from the back of the cab all the way to the front and then either one or two lines of that size going back about so the new school of thought in the industry is the move to the rear to shorten those hose in the distance the oil is trouble so if you don't have the maintenance of those big hoses going all the way forward in the way of other components of the vehicle for servicing and just an extended warranties or service contracts were i don't know are we talking that were novels to apples or not you know what what's being asked for what we price and that and we feel the engine ones are comparable that cover the same stuff the the war of these you're recommending are comparable yeah i mean they're not they're never going to you're never going to be able to get exactly the same thing from from each manufacturer but one of the things that you know for example you notice with the engine more two you were first looking at with freightliner was with international was that it was warranties between the two about a year maybe you're not in service or so we did do some comparing to the last international trip that you purchased which was probably put in service in roughly late zero nine or somewhere in th airbrake canisters that were changed under warranty those are all the same parts used by all were in the most mine and were free when our national and we had the most recent one in september of thirteen standpoint the only benefit is what works best in your application in your application from our experience the truck track far worse it is a far better suspension than charmers it's not a price difference it's strictly what works best in this application what works best for this application is not necessarily the best in a different logging operation or something like that we'll say  o it isn't a matter of you know free our use is tough track is a matter of we chose that because it works best in this situation their comments or questions about think about one of the things i'd like to start out with i think the documents are out the best rationale for doing this the a a misperception turned up at a recent meeting that wasn't about this that all concerned a little bit so i thought i'd airport this misconception and correct it record there was a there was a misperception expressed that this was in some sense either wholly or partly a private enterprise yes with private investors and private owners and that is absolutely not the case that the proposed community development corporation is a subsidiary of the town of jericho there are no private investors there are no private owners and it is wholly and entirely a nonprofit entity the reason for doing it is to create a vehicle that is more flexible for doing the kinds of deals that we need to do not any motive for somebody to make money and that's that is experienced in this stuff and gave this we had a meeting this morning of the designated members of the of the board and he heard carter ran through a number c s exist around the state there are lots of might be as many as fifty they're all different so the impression that this one might have had private is not ridiculous i mean there are plenty to do so it was not a foolish idea but it was nevertheless inaccurate and there are a couple others that he knows of that are sort of like this one the one he thinks that's the closest is his one and randolph but they come in all flavors and ours is surely a community nonprofit community one and i just want to make that came up in a in a different context than so but it was it was sufficiently aware of why he didn't appear to be the only person who thought that so i thought it was important to you know make it clear publicly on the mountain i mean those are say there might very well be as many as fifty would stop and i think everyone most of them have their own history they were created to deal with a problem in their community so the structures kind of you know focused on what that community needed so apparently the randolph one came up after the big fire that created a structure rather similar to ours to organize the you know the refurbishment renovation and so forth of those central buildings that have burned down it had a very clear at and he had some additional comments there some comments from your folks with your folks in there for instance you had raised the question i mean you both have been concerned about transparency so there's a lot of there were there were a bunch of yeah i think the biggest what were those and then also review originally started out is going to be a five a one c three right and you remove that yeah and the reason for that was it's probably unnecessary right and i well having the five the reason why nonprofits get five a one c three the biggest reason is not to avoid taxes of their own because they're not subject to tax anyway but to enable people to donate to  the donation off as a tax deduction and that's a big thing if you're a nonprofit and you want to get from you know charitable donations however the town can do that any way you can you give if you make a charitable donation or a person dies and leaves fifty thousand dollars and that in their will to the town it's not something thanks anyway so since this is an instrumentality of the town it already has the benefit of a you know services that the fidelity three would make it more complicated now five point five or one seats really creates a lot of complications yeah without a lot of benefit in our case no benefit for other people is a big benefit our audience the board of directors may provide a corporate seal which may be circular in form and have inscribed there on any designation including the name of the corporation vermont as the state of corporation and the own that's very important is there anything in here about ok meant to the director so we didn't address that at all so it gets no money from the general fund so i mean what does it do if there's money from the if it generates enjoying money yeah if the project if the projects it undertakes are sufficiently profitable profitable to generate the financially disinterested director no director may have a financial interest in any transaction entered into or considered to be entered into by the corporation except as provided by a little different from saying that  corporations see if there's no part of the assets or nattering said the corporation shall be divided among very near to the benefit of any officer director a member of the corporation or any private individual i mean you can't get anything but it doesn't mean you couldn't you couldn't vote we could voters of so christine i'm just trying to understand how the corporation would work i guess religion to the government just sort of directors that you're identifying to start right is it open as a group that people can join this is something where there will be an election from the town or is it  term and that's because i'm up for election next year anyway so i might not be on the board and in which case somebody else would have to be selected the other two members the two two year members are down fo development for the state and now was work for the greater burlington and bob ok d who used to be until very recently retired president of  smokers notch so he has masses of experience managing large complex estate so we have two people with donna who have lots of real estate experience to people who have a lot of planning and that's done on her own attorney and the required select  ok so we'll vote on the motion of fourth which is to adopt these articles with the one edition that the board of directors will not be compensated for their service to th which makes the right away process much easier fewer in there right away it would be a monster which is what we faced right down here so now they get to tell us what to do in our roads a little bit so whe grant was two hundred forty nine thousand in federal funds we had estimated the project was going to be three hundred eleven thousand so that's you know sixty thousand dollars in town funds as well the contract for design is forty thousand dollars so that left around two hundred and seventeen of federal funding available in fifty four thousand in our required local match for construction the newest estimate for construction is three hundred thousand dollars on top of  and that's mainly the the big difference is the cost of the retaining wall is about one hundred thousand dollars there's a lot of retailing on right so you know so that's and then you also have t in a contingency for construction then you also have to add in the cost to hire a consultant to inspect the project as it's being constructed part of the work the funding we have already committed to us for about one hundred twenty thousand short now could be less than that that continues you may not be needed and the clerk of works could be less but you don't know th c has a sidewalk grant program we have two opportunities the first and easiest one is is to apply to the r p c for funding to cover that gap it's eighty twenty so if we asked them for one hundred thousand requires us to chip in twenty we should have we'll have enough but i think they're going out for several reasons oh it's out there due friday night not tomorrow d plan is being is being held up a little bit as we are working with the consultants to really refine the projected traffic increases for the transportation plan and that's tricky because we're trying to figure out i think we've got the housing growth down pretty good it's trying to figure out what's a reasonable and sensible projection for the next public meeting in in may so that's where that is and idea was we were going to apply for any other sidewalk grants or any other projects and so we had this process to to set priorities tell me why i mean it would look to me like the obvious sensible thing to do just to apply for the extra money and which case the problem was solved without our taxes well not very well about yeah or and if that doesn't happen then maybe we go back to drawing board on this because that's that's really a big stretch and a very well the backup is and i've i'm actually in the state answering grant committee commute this happens to communities all the time because you know there's a there's a delay between when you do the scoping study right when he actually get to construction so there's a you know this scoping studies are that in depth so you don't get into the all the but that that process happens in the winter so this is our first opportunity to get the additional funds quicker if that if it doesn't work out then we can favor i so we get a good job god really troubleshooting that just squeeze that budget like that well you it's kind of on the corner i think it is yours you know so it's not on the agenda but it's a it's not a policy thing you know if we do look into the first thing they're going to have a delay and serv suggesting we should put  good recognition and the other issue is the cross walk up here last year in the fall we had all of the inroad lights  replaced because there were defects well some time this winter one of the state plow trucks took one of the lights out i would like to i think the smart thing to do here is to investigate like you see in south burlington and some other places the so were just so let's say that this is the year it is near but i mean there was i think the line down there yesterday they were doing something in mind last i knew they were set to advertise that for construction m it seems to work and then you know i mean i think it's not really for sure but you know that part of the project was one hundred percent funding from the feds from the feds so i mean it's not our money directly but it's you know there was no local i think about about ten there is a couple a couple issues the paving is scheduled to be you know late spring so the thinking was try to do it soon as we could so we get the information back on the board to digest it and have a meeting or two to decide what they want to do with anything you know and have it done in time before the paper show up so right now you know after the whole lot of that's right and the pavement is already that's part of the contract we did have but we on the next couple of days see whether well i drove over those things a couple times trying to drive it every day change oh yeah yeah i drive it every day yeah and that is just my perspective on it from because there's one on either end and that's where you would tend to pick up speed it seems to slow you down and start you know you got to slow down again so you don't grab one step i mean the widespread perception against our expectations said you had something for and i do you know i was i did not i did not sure command responsibility for my last meeting to investigate recreation committees i did research and i have notes and i was go town plan and there are forty eight references to recreation in the town plan and in the end of the town plan there are there are notices of tasks that were with that were supposed to be taking on and five of them have to do with recreation and the responsible parties for those tasks are all like other or special concert special committee or something there really isn't i mean some of them say town staff but there really needs to have yeah but you know what it is really i think something that we could use in town if there's a lot of overlap from from what i looked at so i looked at all these other committees and there's a lot in vermont seems like every town in massachusetts has a recreation commission i don't know why but then i looked at all these recreation committees and you know some of them are very specific like they're in charge of youth sports or they're in charge of parks but most of them are you know overseas recreation activities for the town and they look at the budget of the recreation and they look at possibilities for fair bet or recreation and those are the types of things in our town plan that we have we have five things that that we were supposed to be tackling to improve recreation but i think also that because we have so many different things in town to do we have so many different facilities we have so many different networks of trails and we have committee for mobs we have a committee for mills riverside park and we have and we have the windows key park district but we really don't as a town have any of these things aggregated so and we don't have a town we don't have we have the trust m and yeah so i really think this is a committee that can do a lot of good for our town and it is not just about the summer recreation programs although i think that that could be a really good starting marriage you know like a good support to reinvigorate the summer rec program and support the rec staff  can get anything going for summer rock this year except to keep the lane apprised and to maybe make her a member of the committee if she can go to a monthly meeting it's that would be important to have her by and absolutely yeah so i don't i don't think i think we should do it the way we form all of our committees when we formed the trails committee or the mob's committee or the church you have a charge yeah like what we like a statement like a magic story that you know we did we did a