in their case there was no detraction there was no analysis there was no accounting and let's face it in the majority of these cases you don't have any details you have a defendant the third in the fifth amendment right you have a defendant refusing to provide an accounting that is not the case in this case you have over forty seven boxes of detail you have an accountant for the commission who pull together a lot of that information a lot of the details are needed to separate out expenses overhead from profit and easily separate out the big compensatory elements that might be returned to very close to me you see you know you can you can do the numbers to come down with some kind of the question is why should you do  about that now separate from that you have the commission asking for the same money problem is that i'm hardly ever i'm not sure i understand parking here i had thought that there was a lot of discretion in these matters and that it was equitable and i'm thinking suppose i'm a crook and i raised ten million dollars from investors for a totally crooked s i pay myself a salary of four million dollars and i pay business expenses for myself of another million dollars on jetting around and that enjoying myself it seems to me that the f c c can then require me to return all ten million not just the ten million minus the five million of the expenses because the expenses were still from richmond to  with the commission because it asked for both things both forms of relief in this case they did not ask for restitution of behalf of the investors the only request the commission made on behalf of these investors was that the was invested in two entities that had over which citadel had no control what you're saying is that money was lost through bonafide investments and bona fide entities that are not controlled by the defendant what i know what i'm saying is not that it receiver is getting a pal to recover those monies on behalf of the investor so that money is not lost the monies being recovered as part of the overall remedial scheme is just not money that the that the commission is entitled to respect the expenses and overhead to be discounted they did a complete schedule of the money paid out that was not that a come in and the paid out and not subject to discourse meant and based upon that analysis the to demand a full and complete discourse me but that's not what happened here here you had an overwhelming amount of detail and disclosure concerning what happened to this money all the way down to how catering was handle the court this court that if you can show that your frozen assets aren't titled to argue it's good if you can show that you're entitled to the credit based on the app that's already frozen by the court then you get that credit but if you wish to make for the clarification in just a moment go ahead just very briefly hundred fifty six thousand dollars condominium has been frozen separated out by the receiver understand it they say that they invested ninety nine million dollars citadel and invested the ninety nine million dollars in various for his venture capital correct some of that investment ultimately will be have to decide what to do with whatever money he recovers and unfortunately in this case i don't think there's any chance is going to be a hundred thirty one million dollars to cover i'm told that they've got less than ten million dollars now so then the commission will go back to the d cases frequently use the term gotten game but they also say that the discouragement remedy is to return to recapture the process by enrichment or for basically running a scam that's exactly right ok on the frozen condominium example the individual who's not jointly and severally liable to the extent that  specifically knows that that was part of what the investors were advised of and that's why the expenses should be discounted and that's why the monies should be separated and i to the court that counsel for the commission has has not told you about the distinction that itself that the commission itself draws between cases where they seek restitution and profit the sportsmen and cases where