major subdivision review of boundary line adjustment conditional use review for a proposed adaptive reuse of a storefront and in dimensional wave or construct a sign parcels located at three brown trace road the next there's a clipboard here anyone who's planning given testimony i should put their name on there and it has to do with the ability to be involved in owning or occupying property in the media neighborhood of a property that is the subject of any zoning decision or act who can demonstrate a physical or environmental impact on a person's interest under the criteria reviewed and who alleges that the decision or act if law the petition pince must designate one person to serve as the representative and he department and administrative subdivision of the state owning property with the newmans polity and the agency of commerce and community development and why is this important it's important because only statutorily defined interested persons may peel decision of the officer or the d or b if an injured person fails to make a timely appeal all interested persons are bound by the officers o decision to act only those interested persons who have participated in a d or be proceeding may appeal the decision re entered in that proceeding in environmental court pursuant to state statute participant patient consist of offering the oral or written testimony evidence or a statement of concern related to the subject of the proceeding and in order to do that you have to having him on the list so there's a list and it's reason i'll need to swear you in twenty one is going to be in testimony if you could raise your right hand i will read this where and then you can just say i do i hear by swear describe their application you know there will be a chance for the board to ask questions after that there's a time of public comments where the public can comment on it and then we'll go back to the board for final questions the staff notes it goes through each one of those in turn so we just pull up the staff rooms we'll be able to say we're starting and and i'm here with brad hol use we just should you say i'm putting you forward as a put forward in the last the board if there are any questions on that particular point so yeah that there hasn't been any changes i mean there's been a minor change i think we changed one handicapped spot which on the original plan that was approved was on the right we moved it over here and you know that to michelle a few weeks back and she wanted and then that was updated on the maps other than because of lack of water i think we went over that in the initial owners wanted to bring that up again we have a we have a letter that i thought we submitted from the state fire marshal that they gated that he said that because it's under two hundred people to have sprinklers he's given a sprinkler variance and that we have to include with our state building permits so i think that's that's been interesting couple do you have right i mean i think grant understands he'll have to have an attorney draft up these words as he said everything is depicted on the players and i think if you have a rather grand if you want to make that a condition of approval it certainly we need to create will need to submit combination is proposed to be the same location as the existing driveway because for the first  meet those higher standards that the first fifty feet does so that's depicted by the plan similarly there's a existing fifty foot right of way that will cross  merrily the well actually there's a there's a drill well the well is proposed to serve both the house in the barn and again because the well is located on and off one day there's an easement shown to the well  so the water supply from the well goes through a pipe that goes through the house and comes out of the northeast corner of the house and will go over to the park and will be shared water system in was kind of expecting we're going to get a more complete package of all the only reasons and so on because that's when we normally when we do want to use it and that we're if we're trying to lump everything to final which i think with this warning that  if you're asking for a final decision that there's a lot of that background information that really ought to be nailed down i would just say that in the corrective war to deviate from john the application or not box blah blah blah so that was the only real concern and we want to make sure that that was that was in the conditions that that was taking care of so you don't want a fire truck not being able to and there was also one question or one point brought up in the stuff notes about the condition and i believe this was also in the original decisions about keeping the the bush is going also having the sign a roof fifteen place a considerable distance from route fifteen so the size of the sign is very important if you have a three by two sign it's probably going to be about we're thinking about fifty feet right we we didn't put any dimensions on those mock ups the because we you know we weren't sure what we would be approved for i guess what what on the sign by the on on the roof if dean we like it to be that what is it thirty two square feet yes and the side on on brown strace on would be the sixty three so i guess that's what that's what i'm saying is if possible  of the of the dimensional standard which actually if you look at it literally that would be from six square foot sign to a thirty two square we look at the dimensional repair and it does reference structure so i thought that that's fine right and so it is so if we were to apply because those conditions how does that how does that apply yeah i understand say which are which are there are which are you know there is a set of rules for that which i was once a delineated before right which is ten ten point eleven dimensional a proposed that you know the applicant looks over the regulations and we were staff to find cause or reason within the regulations to propose this sort of us trying to trying to figure it out new thing out of the other thing i'd like to point out is the signed permit is a separate procedure anyway so there's a opportunity to settle that sat in a separate separate  process anyone who wants to make a comment they address their comments to the board state your name made a comment to board we'll take all the questions and want to have all the questions we will then bring your questions the applican on the hospital and i went through the same process so i forgot to put the sign in my original application and they took me over the coals when i went back to get the sign it was just almost the whole process all over again which seems as a businessman this is a difficult thing to swallow again  been approved for a business in a residential zone i believe he should be able to have a business sign as it was mentioned earlier he is not in the middle of that he's right on the fringe area of it it's as if twenty five feet to the commercial zone it's not like he's as they say up in the village but that's an opinion that i have i would like to see the board somehow find a way to do this for mr allen or he's he's a very reputable man in town this is going to help the town it's going to bring people to this town and i have this little sign on my desk that says he who wants to finds a way he who doesn't finds an excuse so i would like to have the board find a way it the fine dimension to a dimensional waiver which requires development review board of people as per the discussion and it seems that it is a separate issue t that hearing you know just to be clear there's it's it's appropriate for the dover review board to review the application for the sign and we can do it as part of his hearing as we have done the just a different permit is the point chose to do it all in one swell foop and that's fine that's allowed also we've had any number of independent sign applications after as a matter of fact we've made number of  decisions where it says you're saying you want to sign leader well you got to make sure you come back and ask for from us and it's never been a burden to get that done in the past so  not saying that that this is that situation but yes so procedurally i understand you'll be basically voting independently of the four or things on the table that we only just subdivision conditionally use what the decision on the psion to mention a waiver would either instruct staff not to give that permit for that signed up for something else perhaps or to give and if we were to deny it for whatever reasons that would not preclude the applicant in different sizes or different shapes it's it's not been laid out by an engineer and the very last line that was created on route fifteen by the sun next to mine th the area it was one that it was before planning it was before zoning and it was kind of let's go out and walk around and put the state of the ground to the best of my my own from a planning point of view of my understanding is because this was done before zoning  also meets the regulations i think at the present time this area is actually quarter acre zoning my intention is what you saw there a lot and then a lot with the house way back up the hill in ways and create a new entrance way on to that lower walk and in the second sketch that was my feet that would address water runoff the water with wood which has been going this way for forty years it's going to continue going this way so enough about these type of things to be able to ascertain whether your testimony that it won't change anything well or well not you know putting that thirty six inch color will not affect how the water line moves down i'm just not the guy who knows that the there's a staff know which is the possibility of asking for a hydraulic evaluation or to make sure that the proposed he recommended that are observed rather that the downstream color that goes under fifteen has the potential to be overwhelmed so he would say you know you should probably contact the trances see if this undersized well that's not on you obviously but he did recommend making that jock evaluation requirement prior to issuing an access print on  access permit the process is that the challenge in your wood work with the land owner to so that he's satisfied that the tether the road is not not impacted that is my understanding ok that's what i'm just wondering about how how permits depend on each other or sequences are ok thank you because there is water they are now and the property that condition it he's talking about is full of water a good part of the season there's a lot of water that comes down the west side of my house and sides of my house and the flows right across into here the function of those kovar being you know it's just it's like the gully we talk about the gully running it runs constant almost constantly except in the winter when it's frozen so there's a lot of water down here all the time my lower property is to me we can't motivate him you know and i'm concerned about more if he blocks that up about more water coming on my ledge that runs all the way through that and it's very difficult thank you i just here to get information just to say you know we had a lot we had a water problem what's scarce even now as the big thing washed out and this recent s information from staff or that being said i will close our open session and go to the closed here we have this i think this is on if there's enough information