symptoms leading up to july twenty seventh that is my point and that is the basis upon which i think this arbitrator informations decision is wrong because they are certain that he are ongoing problems up to brief and here today first the employer would submit that it is not at all clear that mr anderson shoulder problems began with the use chain fall while working for the employer on july twenty seventh two thousand times you read and conceded that lifting a chain fault could aggravate a preexisting condition it was that case only if he didn't have prior symptoms which mr anderson did know he didn't have any person according entry because i'm not sure that he aggravated anything on july twenty seventh two thousand and nine and neither is he and the the records talk show that he actually aggravated anything on that day if we look at  worse with lifting him this whole get work he doesn't say oh i got a specific accident and i specifically aggravated something on july twenty seventh two thousand i he doesn't even give a specific date he doesn't describe a specific those four visits are referenced as pain shoulder is documented in the problem list for them there's a later letter by dr mitchell saying well that's not necessarily what he was complaining about on that they'd just carry over from the initial visit but so what was the reason for the piss on each of those or persons well if you believe the petitioners testimony what dr wright wrote it had nothing absolutely had to do with his left shoulder what what was it i have to i don't know specifically i have to look at those notes but i believe it was just general health problems and then looking at bat i know that later on as it seemed dr mitchell he is regionally noted to improve and then there's one visit after july twenty seventh two thousand and nine where they talk about cardiovascular problems in the shoulders and even much of it all and then his shoulder worsens again he aggravation it could be a temporary aggravation well that's an interim step that's not causation but then we're going into the surgery and everything else and will what of that condition was caused by the a the events of whatever cause of temper or why an injury was shoulder and what i'm suggesting too is all the evidence in this case points to at least some aggravation of a preexisting injury how much no one knows yet because they haven't decided and that's the difficulty i have with this thing even your expert testifies th i don't know help only then his testimony i don't know bad there is any evidence that it is different because he was able to walk he was able to work before july twenty seventh two thousand and nine he was able to work asymptomatic he's taking medications i mean he must be taking medications for something just because he says he's asymptomatic i would submit that the medications are probably helping those symptoms someone in the period before july twenty seventh two thousand and nine and then he goes and t prior to july twenty seventh two thousand i think that he was not asymptomatic he doesn't help he just simply says you know the pain is worst when i'm coming when i point this chain for but it doesn't say that he had an accident it's simply you know what i'm doing this it hurts more i was condition and it hurts worse or requires more treatment following the accident hey who did he say her worst family ever worst when he was doing the chains i didn't say it hurt worse because he was doing the chains you say the commission decided that there was no causation in this case because the petitioner didn't proof didn't meet his burden of proof with respect to that issue and relied on dr wright and his testimony which isn't as active july twenty seventh two thousand accidents eight is two weeks and he's saying it's been hurting me for three to four weeks so at the very least we're looking at may to early anderson and i'm just going to finish this up that he had an injury he knows what it was and tried to report the day after that doesn't fit with the facts and he's not even telling mitchell if mitchell knew what