good evening everyone welcome to the board of selectmen meeting for tuesday march thirty first probably the agenda the chair reserves the right to call items on the agenda out of order the times that are listed for items are approximate times and items may be reached earlier or later than the posted times the listing of items is those reasonably anticipated by the chair which may be discussed at the meeting at least forty eight hours prior to the meeting not all items listed may in fact be discussed and other items not listed may also be brought up for a discussion to the extent permitted by law so at seven pm we'll have citizens input topics not reasonably anticipated by the chair forty eight hours in advance of the meeting seven o five selections update seven fifteen m p s public hearing will have a discussion and vote on the boston cannons lacrosse home games application seven twenty five bill you know the school business administrator will give us an update on the town hall design seven thirty five zoning board of appeals will have interviews with david brown kevin powers in an area weinstein seven forty five we have sharon watson scheduled to  i pledge allegiance to the quiet of the united states of america and to the republic for which it stands one nation under god indivisible with liberty and justice for  so i'll just give a brief selections update i want to start off by wishing everyone a happy passover and happy easter the coming week i think maybe this is the first night we're meeting that is that has been snowing on us so i'm very happy about that but want to say thanks again to the d p w and public safety for getting the entire town through this graphic winter season so thank you very much and we have up here the cards from all the children in the schools thanking the d p w for their work so that's really great that they did that and just want a quick reminder for everyone to please register for the cleanup foxborough day that's scheduled for may second  unfair the next is in regard to the i have a pilgrim finished at the fifty road race this is it's the sixth annual have a pilgrim finish at the fifty road race ten will i can't read the run a will begin outside the stadium proceed on row one then the streets of foxboro back to gillette stadium to patriot to the debut at the same course as two thousand and fourteen on july third two thousand and fifteen seven p m to eight thirty p m they presented a good plan in regard to a notifying the residents and in putting up information big and they're going to have race route signs the going up one week prior to the race and i'm just asking as a courtesy to the town if the if we can make it a requirement that they take item bill and i were just talking about this and just going to have that review where the this is probably the first time that an elected board is putting forth a request like this for  as an alternate member to the town's zoning board of appeals a position i have valued in a board whose role i have continued to grow in appreciation for since that time given the issues it takes on given the issues it takes on the hard work and commitment that its members give as a result during these five years i have had the privilege to work with an excellent group of people in the review and inherence of the town zoning regulations with an eye towards maintaining the unique characteristics of the community that make foxborough so desirous a destination for us all that being said at this time i find that my life commitments outside the z b a require that i take a step back from this obligation and as such i write to resign from my current position as alternate member of the c p a effective immediately it is my intention that by doing so i will cord the bus like many in the c b a a sufficient amount of time to engage in appointing a replacement member so that whomever that individual may be will be on board and actively able to engage during what appears to be an active spring docket including another intensive fighting b discussion my placement is fortunate in that the z b a finds itself in a good place from the perspective of personnel ongoing commitment to the town i also would be remiss if i did not take the opportunity to remind the boys like men of the excellent resource of the town has been fortunate to have at its fingertips for so long my two ledge and experience on these e p a would have been diminished without the resource guidance in counsel offered so capably and gracefully by both bill caspar and diana gray in short thank you for the opportunity to serve the town as a member of the z b a these past five years it has been a privilege to do regret and thank him for his service also to all those in favor right thank you on going to just open this up i apologize i did not request citizens input if anyone's sadness that i must tender my resignation from the foxhole council on aging in human services advisory board i will be moving to north attleboro in the next few weeks in the us will no longer be a fox for resident i would just like to say that serving on the board has been one of the great on his of my life and it has been a pleasure to be a part of an organization that will always be very close to my hat if there is anything i can do to help the senior center in future please let me know with warmest regards collin haney so i move that the boys like men accept the full member of the council on aging effect of much nineteen to april thirtieth two thousand and fifteen on the recommendation of the council on aging and human services board and think mrs stockwell for her willingness to serve all  hearing notice the hearing notice the board of selectmen acting as a local licensing authority pursuant to mass general laws chapter one forty section one eighty one and section one eighty three a in chapter one thirty six section four town of foxborough revised general bylaws article five section six and also stadium rules and regulations will conduct a public hearing on tuesday march thirty first two thousand and fifteen beginning at seven fifteen p m in the fox high school media center south street to review the application submitted by n p s l l c the the boston cannons games including potential playoff games all events i propose for joint stadium  so where are you going to start hosting the major legal process of the region actually see so we're asking for our first seven games one potential playoff game and sort of the background behind asking our starting to host the cannons is that their current field is under construction so they needed an alternate location for this season and also we've started to develop our support the game across it's obviously growing exponentially faster than anybody could anticipated one hour prior to the event it will be entirely on the east side and the will only use the east gate which is the fix so the field level gate that you see that's in between the pro shop and the ticket office that set up for most events would not be set up it will just be completely closed off and we'll use that fixed gate that's outside what used to be a temporary pro shop and not a car pro shop so it will help cut down on costs and staffing and both chiefs have been along and ever in figuring out the operational procedure for transitioning the cannons into the stadium we're anticipating between five and six thousand people per event the average ticket price is going to be twenty four dollars and parking is included in the price of the to get all of the parking will be on the east side of the stadium civilian p one dupee entrances and you know one of the things that we had discussed with the stadium advisory committee was just the optimum lounge t ongoing construction that we do have a to feed him that will be ongoing as we start you know with the cannons none of it will will significantly impact the operation of the game but everybody's lived in from a public safety standpoint to make sure popularity of lacrosse but just wanted to clarify that chief hatfield had detail that it probably be a level two in his comments and that was based on both sides of the stadium ball being used and the clarification is that were you looking at one side yeah i think you know he had said it or reviewed that he would back to the level one which just as you know questions not not so much a question but i'm very happy that the canada coming in people that don't know what they can advise a professional lacrosse team either bring in the teams in there are probably eight or ten years of the harvard stadium so what i see the cannons doing harvard i see that's already on your agenda the high school nights the family nights military nights in the clinics and i know our youth programs are two and three thousand strong for each age groups i see a tremendous push for the families to continue to do this and it is a lot easier obviously than going into boston but i think it's a great fit and i'm i'm happy that none of it was a coup that you could keep him here you know take him out of boston but it's a good fit for fox for a very happy thank so i move that the board of i know that the boys like mine approve the application for the two thousand and fifteen boston cannons lacrosse home games edgel at stadium subject to the acquisition of the necessary insurance by n p s l l c so this is an update for for the board to see so they can see the progress we've made but we have actually shared these use design plans with all the occupants of town hall so they're all fully aware of what we've done so far so sure many surprised and as a result without a point where we want to start sharing some of the work that's been done we have not done anything which was i look at the layout of the site as well at this point that's being done with the with the work of the engineer engineering firm a local engineering firm  this so many times now that i think that you know we've got a kind of a presence on how we look at it but i think having bill and mary beth and randy in ok as vera kind of take a look at from their point of view also was very helpful so the first thing they did was they schematically took each department and broke it down into what how they would have to relate as themselves as if there was no other tenant in the building it was just them and that took a while they worked out all of the si lines all of the requirements staffing wise the storage side they came back to us with a couple times with that to kind of a fine tune and then they went and sat with each of the department heads and and again double checked are we counting for the right number of filing cabinets that we have the the layout that we need for number of people and so on and once they got that to a pretty firm grass now it was like well how do you assemble all these departments together to make it work so i'm going to show you they actually had five renderings originally it was pretty easy to to not to out they were fairly large they were very spread out and they really on the site were not appropriate for the site and so they came down to three designs for us to kind of look at the first schematic i'm going to show you i'm going to come back to this one in the end so and i'll blow it up so you can see it better but really what it is is you enter this is the first floor here you would enter here your border selectmen meeting hall would be right here your bathrooms would be right here and you'd have a security gate location right here where you could separate this part of the building away and then you'd walk into what we consider the prime area of real estate in the town hall and the areas that get most used by residents so this is your whole finance assessors revenue tax collection and finance and then your town clerk's area is over here this is a main stairway that would go to the second floor that's visible from the outside and this is a secondary staircase that we would have to go up to the second floor second floor obviously has nothing over the meeting hall but again in the in the hallway here you would have the town managers area this is a large storage area  planning conservation inspections conference room board of health and the two bathrooms on this level elevator over here conference room on the first floor the second design that they came up with which basically was taking the same diagram of blocks because again we think that the layout of each department is appropriate and moving the selections hall to the far side of the building obviously everything else would be the same  far as the space is the conference room instead of being over here moved over here you know we had the cafeteria or break room on the first floor instead of the second floor but when you looked at these individual tom clerks vault space that not always basically the same chunked up sizes of space and this this drew some complaints because quite honestly this didn't allow us to segment the building and shut it down at night and only leave the board of selectmen tall open it gave you a nice potential approach for what you could do colonial wise in the front of the building because a lot lonia houses are the blocks with you know additional sides to all type of thing but it also has as what we saw in that one was it created a problem for space wise because it came too close side to side so that was one of the reasons that this one was not as appropriate as far as we're concerned the third one we had was just the largest of their concepts it gave you a much more grand colonial front to it but it was too too spread out quite honestly as far as we were concerned you'd have two sets of entrances you'd have a main stairway and then you'd have your working areas but again your finances basically was broke out the same type of space town clerk was somewhere space you know and so on but this actually was the largest and in the grouping it was almost seventeen thousand four hundred square feet it obviously was not efficient as layout of the hallway space as you can see you ended up in areas going down and around type of thing which is a  of wasted space so after everybody kind of looked at this in the building committee kind of approach it we all came back to this view is the one that we think is the most efficient use of space your hallways obviously are as as minimal as you can possibly have in this design layout but to give you kind of a scope of size this hallway here is about ten feet wide this one here is about eight feet wide and the reason that eight feet is important is if you think about it when we now will have counters on both sides very similar to what you have the town hall when you first come in for the town clerk and the revenue treasure collectors office that actually is about a lemon feet wide ok so just so you have a scope when you have people working on both sides you still have room to  pass in the middle if you go to a smaller hallway and you have people working at counters on both sides you really don't have the space that you need to kind of flow but again with only having hallways that go this distance we really have cut down the amount of hallway space too small you can get within the building the you want second you're just going to lie so you can actually now start to see the layoffs over again if we go back to the first floor so what you see is that the you've got a meeting room here that now is about thirteen hundred in eighty square feet roughly what it gives us is a very very small what we're calling kind of like a kitchen at two doors that can open up that you can have a sink a refrigerator so that if you were doing a meeting that you had coffee or something at which we do have it as an example that the library works extremely well for those type of meetings but it's just a very small space to be able to give you that type of a resource we would have our  storage area so again when we're breaking this down so much the library we want to get we'll get the chairs out here because we're going to set up some tables you have a place to store chairs and to store tables when you're flipping back and forth again we found that that works extremely well at the library and it's a process we would have obviously the cable access having its room right behind you and being able to see what's going on right looking right at you square footage wise and then this is a tell data center so obviously the one thing that the town hall now will have since we have moved all i t out of town hall the only thing left in town hall would be switch gear so everything else is residing in this building or the joint public safety building so we're we're we really you know kind of reduce down what we need for our tell data areas obviously we have the elevator right here the bathrooms meet code we basically i think are one fix your above code so where we're right where we need to flex space on the first floor area this is the veterans area basically what we're doing is creating an area that if someone comes in while they're waiting they have a totally isolated place they're not in the hallways they're not in public view they can sit and relax  and not be in funded scrutiny of anybody and this would be the veteran's office you have a conference room that shared by everybody on the first floor so that no matter what's going on it's off the hallway so it's not dedicated to an individual department again when you look at finance what ends up happening is you have your finance director here you have between your revenue your treasurer collector and your assessor have this area and then their staff all sit in front of them across this the only cubicle that here is that is not dedicated to an individual is dedicated to a process which is payroll so this technically doesn't have a person that's here that's dedicated to this but it is a spot that where we would have payroll away from everything else and it's you know because a lot of times that stays out but it again if you had to have that one area of growth it would be the only station in the finance area that's available to copy center actually looks large but this is actually the the the large storage area also on this first floor so even though this is showing configuration these are this is actually equipment these three items here that exist copiers printers for munis and so on  so we'll have storage along here in storage along here which basically has to service all of these departments down here whether it's office supplies coffee supplies that type of stuff clerk's office to staff members one work station the town clerk's office and then this is a combined vault that basically services all of the document needs of the town the vax section of this is the secured section at the town clerk has to have segregation on  we got to the finance was the idea of having up an area of privacy where people can discuss their issues with like the finance you know lease or is there is really a space where they would be able to have private conversation if they're going down to that one that's why this conference room was not on this and they're there they're sections so if you're actually bringing somebody in to to talk about an abatement or talk about a process if you're not bringing in like if you're the assessor you can frame obviously if your office closed no one can do it but it was a group of people that you have a confidential thing is it's right off their thing so they don't even have to come into the bonded area at all they can go right in here and then the individual can actually go in and have that discussion with him would they say oh i'm sorry if i can just add to that the that the offices e offices as at least the ability to have someone sitting as a guest chair in front of you so again it's almost coming in on an individual basis on the basement they'd be able to come in close that door and they have working room to do that you take the finance directors and the same situation will be true when you look to mary beth and bill's offices they also have a working desk area again if they're bringing in their their managers to have a discussion or something that they don't have to chew up the conference room they can they can do that now we found that on the school's side very well for us three of us have those things and we are constantly having meetings in our office if it's three you know two or three people it's very easy to do by giving them a little bit of extra footage you can accomplish that and again that you at the conference rooms  because it's only mechanicals we don't need to know right we are trying to not go into the ground much in this area if we don't have to and that's why we're keeping all storage up above and i think that also will serve as better as far as you know potentially any problems down the ok so you would come up either through this stairway here or again through the back stairway and once you're up into this area again these bathrooms will be more visible so we'll have a sight line so if someone using them you know it's not going to be behind a corner and someone can't see i'm downstairs obviously because we try to lock that area down that we have the bathrooms facing up to that hall  some space around the building to keep it so that it's not sitting on top of the neighbors but we do have that orientation without having to go for e a zoning variance you have talking in the back of so a lot of the front that they'll be parking coming down the front and then probably about ten feet in front of the existing building there will be a landscaping retaining wall that keeps that lower level green and the existing trees big trees is one of our big things that we want to keep because obviously we think that size is the property in the building behind it keeps the scope down it makes it really should really well if we can get it done so that's a big county is working right now so sorry about that so when you come back up so you have your bathrooms here you have the board of health  know department in this area here board of health is one of the one areas that has a phenomenal amount of storage the amount of recordkeeping they have to do for you know the restaurants and terminating it and all that is is actually one of the heaviest loads that we have in the entire building another conference area again that services the entire second floor the inspections department secretary will be in the front again they have a fair amount of active spiling space that they have to keep available and then as you know they have four different individuals that are their inspectors that come in and out so there's two places they're never they're all the same time so they'll share those spaces as needed and then the building commissioner and his assistant  this is a commissioner would be in this area planning conservation we have basically the these two offices both for the planner and conservation and this is a flex face so this is our second flex space  in the entire building and so that you know as far as what this can be i'm quite honestly thinking at the beginning this is going to be storage for these different apartments until they kind of work things out but if we need it you know it we know  your room with with some storage this is our this is our primary storage for all departments up here on the second floor you would then go into the administrative part of this this would be the cow manager the assistant town  manager your two staff members and this is the one work station we have quite honestly a regular basis where people come in and they want to look at records and documents but they don't want to take them out so there's a place that they can actually sit to do that and then there's a small to see waiting area right here again if they're waiting to see bill or mary beth in a any kind of a meeting process you have your break room here this is the only break room in the building so this is what would service the staff  and then you've got to again tell data here in a small storage area here in a janitor's closet so you know overall when we originally did the when the working group did the design and figured out the square footage requirement were at about fifteen thousand five hundred that was based on obviously our walking around taking measurements take a number of cubes the one thing that we talked about quite a bit at those meetings was the fact that whether or not we were actually calculating enough square footage for the walking space and the movement space around filing cabinets around your workstations and stuff like that and we you know we tried to use some numbers that worked there and so we knew that that would be one area that would be big risk as far as whether or not it's worth what it was close in on the end result was and we used a factor one point for the the the one point four basically was to add on what are your requirements for hallway space stairways and so on ironically the one point four were all within two hundred square feet on that were one point four one four as a as a percentage so i don't think we could've gotten any closer on that but in the individual departments each each department is you know one hundred square feet here hundred square feet there difference and that's really coming to us again if you if you look at the circulation you need for people to be able to move around these areas we're not we weren't accounting for enough of that in our fifteen five but we knew that that was a risk we were actually hoping the one point four would give us some latitude in that area to make up for some of the differences so at this point these two plans basically come out to about sixteen five so there are almost a thousand square feet above what the original  working group they're about a thousand square feet less than what the original k b eight study did which was seven hundred five so we're right in the middle between the two just put things in perspective current town halls is thirteen  six and obviously when you're looking at the current town hall compared to this you're looking at a a larger vault system the current town hall has a valsin that's about three hundred eleven square feet this is four hundred and eighty square feet so it should be able to handle all of our vault storage needs it's on the first floor so we can basically build it like a bunker we don't have to worry about it because of it's the you know concrete and structural walls you have to have there the other thing is that the current town hall does not have the bathroom requirements it really is supposed to have a number of people so if you look at this two floors we've got two sets of bathrooms that beat all the needs that were supposed to have has an elevator system that doesn't exist in the in the current town hall we have two conference rooms which we have none in the existing town hall to be able to you know have meetings with the staff and i was site people and you have a board of selectmen or overall meeting hall room that his about five hundred square feet larger current ones about eight hundred this is thirteen  it's about seventy five so right so you know we think what we've done and again we never want to and i've been very clear about this with every project that my team has worked on we don't build and not have any escape routes if something happens and you need a little bit of space here so there's not a lot of space i'll be the first one to admit that i mean you only have growth for a few positions or even if not using positions and a little bit of additional storage you don't have a lot of space that you're going to expand his building using but we feel very comfortable that we've we've accounted for all the space requirements and that we have the right flow again the comp the counter space it was critical to each department you know things that we've talked about where someone could be sitting in this office and see you know the county or someone wasn't at their desk they would at least know that need to get up themselves and go work and that's true in every single one of these departments to lay out in the view to the front counters is available to every single the office throughout the process is very hard thing to accomplish but i think i'll be getting a very good job of doing that i've actually been very impressed with l b s concepts to this point as far as where they're trying to take this they i think really do understand the colonial design and they really do understand what we're trying to accomplish as compact lead as we possibly can but also they'll say the same thing you don't build it's all of that what you need today and expect that you're going to be ok going down the road so we haven't done that any one of our buildings i think we've been successful in every building we control over and that's the economy and what's going to happen when we get to the bidding process we're still on the same track right now to get to a bidding process in the late august timeframe but i will say that we carried this budget and all in budget for just the construction site not for abatement and demolition of the existing building at four hundred fifty dollars a square foot the closest building that we have designed and built in town is the joint public safety building we spent three hundred ninety thousand three hundred ninety dollars a foot on that building that building has a significant communications network in it if not only looking at the dispatch room there's a huge room right behind it and there's a large room above the cell section of the sally port area that's nothing but ke communications gear and you know cabling itself it's got obviously the communications tower included in that we have obviously the security of cells and how those all are put together which is extremely expensive and then we have housing because if you think about the fire department you actually have a second floor that has to have full housing capability kitchens bathrooms showers all of that so it's it would be the most expensive building that a town with built in general and that came in a just under three hundred ninety dollars so so even at this seventy we had originally estimated for fifty at the fifteen fire so at the sixteen five it comes out to four hundred twenty two dollars a square foot so if the economy hasn't really gone crazy over the next you know six months we're really thinking that we're we're still in line with me where we need to be for the overall budget and really in my mind similar to what we did with the earned leaf to the joint public safety library and even the high school is these buildings are built to last us the next thirty to forty years so you you have to make sure you have some space available to survive inside that you know obviously we all hope to get smaller and smaller as time goes on but the reality is you know businesses keep growing and you know we still have issues that we have to face internally as far as a town goes so with that i will open up if you have any questions thank you you would have questions on very very well done l b does a nice job and it's the i mean the graphics are design towards lee but we won't go for leed certification because b the cost just to accomplish leed certification itself as we saw in the library we got a great grant to the library it was well worth doing but in the end for what we paid to get the lead certification than what we paid to put into the building we probably needed about a twenty twenty five thousand dollars savings they don't call project and we did spend a lot of money and some things that you know we may not get our  our projects so that's not new to us the roofing systems will be the site of the white roofing systems for reflection and and so we're going to build it the way we would build a building anyways and almost every one of our buildings i think would qualify for at least  summer level of i mean lead certification whether we went to the actual doctors in the problem with lead documentation just in case you don't really understand it that's an entire process of documenting from the very beginning all the way through the end every step you take material as you use you and you had talked about you mention the roof or the white roof but throughout i've been here in colonial this is what is in situ of sr there will be potentially one area this area here one of the things we're going to we're very very cautious  of is that the mass of the building itself we we want to try to keep the mass as you drive up to it you know as low as you can so what we're really considering is this from here to here would be your standard pitched roof obviously this is a pitched roof and this is a of a process that the budget the schedule the public input what this project was funded for was a design but it still has to get voted in at the end so between now and the time meaning vote can explain that process yeah i think  design and l b was right when we first met with them they wanted to spend the a significant time on schematic design to make sure we had the the working flow right so they are just i think they every day they seem to be fine tuning of piece here and there so it's like you know if i showed you yesterday it would be slightly different than today's each one seems to morph just a hair as they're starting the difference is when they go so we'll get an actual estimate from them shortly off a schematic design that's the first test cost estimate we get the next thing they do is they go into design documents which are actually the document that we put out to bid obviously when you go to that level now you're overlaying all of your electrical mechanical systems into this building and you still get a little bit of a tweak at that point to some you know i want to be very cautious of size square footage of stuff like that things will get tweaked a little as they need to get a piece of duct work down something or a pipe in an area that doesn't necessarily fit right now there are some adjustments that happen in that that part of the process so we're not going to get ready to move on to that next part of the process that will take us between now and like i said sometime in the late summer timeframe for our full documents to be completed however in the phase before as we're going towards design documents they're going to start working on the exterior so we will start to get our layouts once they once they really lock in the you know the square footage in the  actual layout here which we think we're very close on now we'll start working on the outside to show you the colonial designs that we're looking at and we've looked at a couple different types of options we have as far as windows and the you know the finishes and stuff like that and i think we're pretty comfortable that the the design can come you know close to what we really want to be on the colonial side so but that's going to take some time i think we're going to have a number of discussions about how that plays out and will probably bring a couple of the different designs back to the board again  for you to take a look and weigh in on but once you kind of get your your blocks your building blocks in in line it's a lot easier to say ok what do i have to work with on the outside now in just just the last question on the on the d d phase one is going done some research for us where it will be in front of the planning board and so i plan review on two stages that a full design flaw free i know bay colony has recently been out there doing a lot of work now taking find the ground again to try to next so if you look at from this point this is south street here this is the liberty over here the building is going to be here ok so it's going to be in the back and well yeah and what we like about the way this lays out right now is that we have the the cistern that's in this area and we have our other building that's right here we will actually have the ability to do some nice landscaping in this area that ties those three buildings together instead of having them a look like three orphans that are there stuck on a piece of proposed property so it actually is going to work out kind of nice the way  know i think pull that all together in a site it will pull all of our parking here as i said we'll have a retaining wall of some sort here because the grade from this point here to this point here is a ten foot drop you don't look at it when you see  currently but so we will be pitching this parking lot down to a point and then we will have our retaining wall and we'll have either stairway or access points here going back out to the road so this would be a nice green spot again with the big trees that we have currently from south street and the building back here is going to scale it better then as the building was forward it has it reduces the impact on the two neighbors on this side here because right now obviously the building is right across from them so what he gives them is an opening obviously i'm assuming the funeral homes can be very pleased with the rings parking closer to them and as far as the back side goes again we will keep this you know as green area as possible to buffer again for i guess the neighbor's back side the one thing that's here if you recall is right in this area here there's a a large garage that backs right up there of the neighbors it's literally right on the line so obviously we're not ruining the garages view but you know on the other house it sits back here so there's two neighbors is actually way you know it's like in the middle of that lot on that side so they're going to have a pretty good sized buffer there between us as well an increase of parking space you know actually slight decrease in parking because of the way you obviously now everything has to be to codes in the set up there but right now we're showing about sixty two parking spaces we think we're going to be able to get a few more than that out of it our existing exit point and that would be those and then you'd have another one right here that's off that second stairway right now those are your that's your security to the building there's only three locations but this is truly the only location that that allows people in and out of the building this is the picture of this yes this is that area that we're talking about and again it's going to be hidden nicely so that whatever you put up there as far as mechanicals go will do the same thing to probably a little bit of a parapet type of design a line is edge but it really gives us some flexibility i'm not sure i'm not sure exactly if in what we'll have out there but it does give out of us an option on the mechanical side which i actually kind of like from what we can do for air handlers and so will there be a noise factor to consider that the only things that if it were even be out there would be our compressor units and to be honest with you you know with the way the new ones are designed i mean the new ones i put in recently you know you literally are standing on top of what you feel is the air and they're made now to be very very quiet because they have to meet all of the standards for noise control you get into that if you got into the monster ones like we have we have one very very large on top of the library and i've got a couple very large ones at the herne school as an example if you're standing next to those those are really chillers what they are and those are are the noises they were talking about just actual compressor units that can run the air handlers inside probably have a generator of side we would have a generator definitely outside and i'm my guess is because our mechanicals will be in the lower level right here that the generator will be somewhere in this area here with some landscaping around it but even there the generators i don't know if you heard the one that i had to taylor and the one we have to high school now the new ones  where's the finance picnic table located probably in the back probably in the park years are going to go with the with the new location of the site pushed back you know it's a little premature to talk about this but i know there's a big issue where we're meeting as a group there's all allow town hall operate presently while construction yes is going on though we we spent many meetings debating that fact if you can really see it with the the existing building right now is right here she's done life yeah ok comes back in here so what the intention is is obviously to be building back here to have a way of actually kind of fencing this off like this so we'll have a few parking spaces here mostly for handicap and stuff like that during the day while we see have to use the roadside you know during the day it's going to be tight i'm going to behind the businesses over here we have some options is all i'm saying and i think we're going to go over that it's the only way to save the significant money of having to move twice and go through this process right here at big then municipal park and people forget about it but it's behind and then both just paved that entire lot which would be open during the day also but you know i don't know how i can do this but i would say that i even have you know the schools have the the mini buses that we run so even if we had to so we're close to that and so we'll start working on that and again that will bring back to you i mean i guess what i'm at what i'm hoping tonight is that you agree with the one that we've all selected as a group again the administrative group met first the bill the committee met afterwards we reviewed all of them we kind of looked at things i think the thing the locks us in is this is the most efficiency most efficient use of the spacing number one keeping the size of small as we can and number two the security side was the huge thing for us me you know say we can run that meeting room and lock everything else down we've always said since day one that's a critical component to this building so that we don't have to leave everything wide open every time we have a meeting like you have to do with your existing town and i think that's like the mcguinty one that was a really nice because it's what you come in that ent things we will bring back as we get closer to the end i'm going to tell you from my perspective it's my perspective only the the petitions the truly move will petitions we've had in the schools we've we've removed them all they don't work overtime they bind up they become problems if it's something we really need we're going to look at what are the most modern version of that is in this current concept to fail to create that into a two you can see they actually have a design so that there's a break in this double conference rooms for you know eight to ten people were should work fine and then you'd have two good size but if you break this down for you know bigger groups to meet at night even if it wasn't you know if they didn't need a seventy eight person rome they could and they need twent it's it's is in a sense it's the actual because what they're trying to do is determine all the layouts and this is been worked out with every single department head as far as how it lays out because again what you're trying to do is sightlines you're trying to do  flow and so if you start moving these things and reassembling something else the actual space more likely morphed to something different to what you start building unfortunately you a lot of people in the old days would build a building and they'd figure out how they got for their furniture and you have to really start with what you're trying to fit into a book that department now and what that furniture is going to look like and then start to work now you know there's obviously a million different types of cubicles you can use and some like that so we have gotten down to that level but we we've gotten down to is is how does this have to lay so we're building for the user so as long as what you know once we get to the stage we always go back to the users sure that we're still bouncing back and double checking into this point everybody's been in line you know and they've actually made some tweaks on a few things that we had wrong or we had an issue with and we've adjusted that alby's been very through that as well so that just the very final stage of this when you get all the approvals then you go into construction documents these are actually going to go out to bid yes you're going to send it out you're going to get a a bit back and that's the number that time it was  time we've done it quite this way but i think in the end now we will actually have contractors bids in hand when we walk into that town meeting to save you approve this level we can sign these contracts that's the building that's going to be built obviously there is there's always a small contingent to you would still carry on that just four percent tax or some of the unknowns on the site and stuff like that but it's nothing compared to what you have to have with you it's a longer process but i think in this particular case it is it's going to be very finite and we like to make a statement because one of the candidates for this position is the head of my reelection campaign i'm going to recruit hughes myself from the selection process i think you  same note i actually filed a disclosure of appearance of conflict of interest it's called a twenty three b rated by bill and then i read it by bob cutler and the reason being one of the candidates dave i had worked in the past i don't have a relationship with him now committee from there i had an interest in sullivan started on the zoning board as an alternate progressed to a full member and on through chairmanship and that was about twenty years or so of that in my pile five years ago i decided it was just it was time to do something else and and move on and i've done all the things you know in town including the election campaigns consider coming back on i've had my rest want to come back so we check with my wife for us and make sure that was ok i also made a phone call to one of the members of his own blood just to see if he was ok with me coming back in and he was fine with it as well i always enjoyed being on his own accord i thought it was an opportunity to help residents expand their homes perhaps do things without homes and i say that that probably eighty eighty five percent of the work done by design a board of appeal are here and variances and special use permits within the within a residential of variances that you know involved often times setbacks evolve other things as well but how close the residential structure addition comes to there are but a lot lines special use permits these onan by laws allow certain uses within the home as small businesses is the best way to put it he addresses that engineers and all the sorts of things but they need a special use permit for that so they would come to the zoning board and you know oftentimes when we get involved with those we would need to talk perhaps put in some conditions on a special use permit so that we would approach it that way but the the remaining of the work and i'm calling it the fifty percent is i often refer to the zone in force  to the zoning board and appeal that decision to essentially say they disagree and and everybody present cases or information and his own a board would rule on that  somebody may come in and ask for an interpretation of what the bylaws means they haven't actually done anything at a constructed anything but they have a question they may have been told that they can't do something on the on well they're not sure quite often it comes up with definitions in the bylaws what this does mean i wanted to because this is applied and then the last one which probably often times is the least frequent type of thing to come to the zoning board but often can be to most long cases opf the so called forty b cases which does which is a separate section of the zone an zoning board of appeals why did they get stuck with the one of these things because they are long and i was told when the forty b was put together way back when they were the legislature was looking for one place that would be common to all towns and they all had zone boids so so you know we enjoy doing these things as chairman i was involved with them i think it was story perhaps for forty b when i was one i think at the state hospital way back when that never got built so we've done forty b we've been involved in situations where controversial filled up his own board all equally but dissipated were equally respected with the opinions and the only thing that was different was when it came down the vote the three regular members got the put their hands up but often times if one of the three members had a conflict couldn't make the meet indies kinds of things happen then one of the alternates would be selected to sit in so i don't know if i've gone out too long but just so that's kind of where i come from on all this you know i' always felt when i was on his own board to give everybody you know the about his and the applicant the opportunity to present what they have in mind and and receive it would respect for their opinion even if i was so even effect on occasions that they're really not on base with it so that's one key attribute i think the other has to put some up front time and i always made it a point on any of the cases to do a minimal a drive by before the meet and read and review to file because quite often these residential cases you know have the owner telling you they they want to build out t route one corridor and i just felt it was a little too rushed but i mean doing it for twenty plus years and i guess in a nutshell i look at it sometimes as i thank last job and you do all this work and they shut it down at a town meeting or something but what after all these white why do you want to come back and i know you said if it isn't a nutshell to get back involved at this time i do i would just i enjoyed it very much you know i feel as though i was you know it was suggested that i should volunteer i do enjoy it i've been retired now for as some of you know for a party year and i guess i'm ready to do new things or repeat old things when i got off five years ago i was maybe a little bit burnt out and i was very busy with things at home and contemplating retirement and lots of things so it's very good thank you yeah with you know with the development of the master plan and economic development at some point something's going to come to the zoning board appeal some some big project that dealt there somewhere we don't know where it is yet right now where it's common do you see the zoning board of appeals having the ability to rule with flexibility in in the name of economic development or is it this is this is owning by law this is the interpretation it is what it is sorry quality thing that it's it's i think it's a little bit hard to say that you can change the master plan and use that as a rule and as a reason you have to remember that most of the zoning board business is chapter forty eight and it lays out in general terms the criteria for variances in special use permits i might be a little difficult and i don't think really you know we rely on a plan of what to do to plan and to develop these things and i would suspect if things come up that weren't contemplated under the master plan they would look to to rezone and to do that now there is one thing though it were one i didn't think to mention one of the things that's changed in the five years is we have now have a brand new sign by law and we used to say some of us have said over the years as you make some changes with the zone and it's like throwing up the sign that you're open for business and i suspect with this new zone and with this new science by law we're going to hear a lot on that and of course that's one is really what most of that is about so like i like i hope i answered your question and then dodge it to watch but i don't feel i can change the masterplan all would be able to us you're assigned to what was allowed follow the district of zone in district exactly so you get up on route one it must be a half addition half a dozen different zones up there so depending on where you are that was what you could do with the signs they read to find and broke the town down for signs into three districts and route one is all one so it's uniform what can be done what you need variances opt for science and open i think that's great  you know conflict with any projects that are going on right now in your backyard or any thing that you might you know know i'm not ok my trailer might be blocked too close to my neighbors and we've got of connecticut on saturday morning it was started to snow i said there must be a jaycee's event this day so god bless some of the j c s anything to do with the commons or community they had an easter egg hunt on saturday morning and i that the adults are stressed trying to put it all together kids didn't care it was a he was a good showing but you know between that type of stuff to nativity scene the decorations the candidates and i you name it it's a it's a small forty four prospect street fox oh two zero three five so kevin when we start off funny just give us a little bit of background about yourself and why you're interested in applying for the position grow up is sort of incidental to the values that you have or the priorities that you have in life but i think for me this was a very very important place that shaped a lot of my beliefs a lot of my attitudes and a lot of the things that i value and and i care about it and you know every now and then i've gone away for college or for work early in my career but you know i seem to keep coming back  and it's a place that i love not as a matter of convenience but as a matter of choice as a matter of value and as matter of the unique qualities that it has as a small new england town i work as an attorney by trade and my work with  and the whole nine yards and and i love it and i've been working as an attorney since two thousand and six and have been in private practice have been in government service and have served think foxboro over you know about the last ten to fifteen years in particular has been experiencing a number of changes and as the town wrestles with the direction that we're going in and how best to achieve all of our mutually competing goals in the best most effective way while simultaneously preserving the character of the town and what it has been historically and what it can be in the future i think it's important to have have in mind all of those goals and all of those values and i think just by by way of  one example i think right now sometimes we hear a lot about growth is one goal and as preservation of the town as it has been as another goal and i think it's important to take responsibility as much as possible for ensuring that we achieve both of those things you're not always going to be able to achieve every single growth goal and realize exactly as much revenue as you might like to while also preserving the town and the way that it has been and similarly you're not always going to be able to preserve the town exactly as it has been while realizing as much growth as you need to to keep it affordable for people who have not only decided to move there but also growing up there and i think trying to walk that fine line you know trying to work through the not the science of managing the growth of the town is a very very important aspect of town of realizing the town future understanding of the competing priorities that the town faces the competing goals that the town faces and understanding of the fact that you  don't best realize the goals of a town moving forward by standing for only one set of those values or another set of those values that the best way to see a town move forward is through compromise that when you have competing priorities as the town certainly does now in all sorts of major decisions that we have to make and all sorts of  zoning related changes and very variance related decisions that there are valid positions on all sides and you have got to be able to realize compromise when possible because that's the way that the town is going to most effectively move forward in addition i think to some kind of relevant experience and background is is important i think it's important to have a membership of varied backgrounds that bring something to the table that can be applied to the role of zoning board and and i think in terms of what i bring to that i work as an attorney and am very familiar with understanding regulations and statutes and in the sort of complex research that it's my understanding the z b a involves a great deal of obviously this is not a position where where you'd be practicing law i realize that and and i would but i would expect that if we have actual legal questions we turn to town council but at the same time i think it's important to have the ability to understand and work through some of these complicated issues of well you know what is the town obligated to allow in terms of access to various utilities or in terms of variances what has been considered reasonable in other circumstances and furthermore i think something that might be particularly a political when i was a l clerk years ago i happened to have the opportunity to see quite a few appeals from litigation in the trial courts that went up to the appeals court of decisions by judges on zoning board matters that had been appealed from unisa pulls owning boards and i think seeing those and seeing not only the legal issues but also looking at cases and thinking wow when a zoning board makes a decision that the parties involved for whatever reason just can't live with it winds up costing the town a great deal of litigation cost and i think having that in mind and having that perspective and that sense of you know it's really important to get these compromises and these decisions is right as we can and as reasonable as we can get them because if we don't then it's going to cost the town whether it's a developer deciding you know what you just owning board just didn't make the right call and you're not allowing us to properly build as we need to in order to realize the value of our property and them taking the town to court or whether it's neighbors who believe rightly or wrongly that the z b in a particular decision just didn't recognize the important character of the neighborhood of a part of town and just can't can't fathom the particular development that for whatever reason has been allowed and then again bring litigation against the town and i think it's fundamental that the membership of any zoning board of appeals have a constant sense in the back of their minds of we have to get it right we have to get it right because getting it wrong is very costly to the town not just in terms of goodwill but in terms of the bottom line to the town budget thank god thank you chris looking at the the application correct me if i'm wrong did we just appoint you to the board of recreation yes ok it's not listed anyone here in government experience or positions previously held you get an interest in the board of recreation but currently you are on the board of recreation so what would happen with that effort two positions if if it was considered ethical by town council or you know by the appropriate state  if it if it wouldn't present any other issues i'd be glad too that said obviously if there was any kind of conflict i would recuse myself from any you know any any decision on either board that would interfere with my responsibilities to the other for example of if there was a zoning decision that was going to have an impact on a recreation parcel i would assume that under those circumstances the appropriate ethical course would be to recuse myself from any any decision of that sort i think that probably the application doesn't list membership on the board of recreation probably list that i have served on the if i were a committee in town but it probably doesn't was serving on the board of reparation because i suspect that that's probably the application that i filed before being appointed to the board of recreation when i think i was expressing an interest not coincidentally in both positions and so i think at that time i probably hadn't yet been appointed to the board of directors ok yeah there's no date on it so may have been before that so i don't know the answer but if there's a conflict of being appointed to two separate boards in one town which would you pick because we've got our obligation to our past appointment or the board does for recreation and now there's a v a where do you see that i wish i knew that does chicken or the egg thing i guess it works with i guess and the question is where do you see if you've got the choice would you stay on the wreck board or would you i guess it would be the zoning board since he had tonight knowing that you're already on the other board my my understanding is that membership on the advisory committee excludes membership on any other board but my understanding is that membership on the board of recreation would not exclude membership in  no likelihood of conflict at this point based on my current practice if there was obviously i would i would recuse myself ok completely from anything that that had even the whiff of of you know any any conflict or relation between any any work that i'm doing in my private practice and have responsibilities to the town thank you kevin just wanted to want the town to be able to achieve the revenue that it needs to realize growth in a in a manner that's consistent with the character of the town visually more consistent say with with a city much larger than we think of ourselves as being in order to realize that revenue i think each of those sorts of decisions would have to be on a case by case hopefully the developer's goals could be realized without necessarily having to see the entire project pulled off the table hopefully in most instances going to or have you gone to the meetings we have a letter from the chairman saying you know please interview these four people that he sat through meetings in participated in got that dialogue with the different applicants in the different boards you know i was i was at particularly interesting but i wouldn't i wouldn't hold myself out as a as as as as a regular at it at this point thank you thank you us a little bit of information about you back around and why you were interested in applying for the position short so i grew up locally in attleboro massachusetts and after high school i joined the military was and for twelve years working for an engineering squadron in the air force when i got out of the military i went to architecture school in boston on the g i bill and worked for a number of architects in boston over the years and then decided to start a company sixteen years ago now that provides  architectural and the existing building surveys using three dimensional laser scanning and some of the most advanced technology out there to capture accurate data buildings provide that information to other architects engineers municipalities building owners so that's what i've been doing for the last sixteen years it started as just myself and now it's a company that measures about twenty million square feet per year we have twenty six employees and three states  and we're continuing to grow and working on some high profile projects that you might know of at the kennedy institute that was that a kid yesterday we actually did the three laser scanning for the united states senate chamber in washington created a three d model of that and then the architect used that as a basis for their design for the senate chamber locally we worked on projects like chestnut green here we did the existing survey for that project for the construction design so that's basically what we do we we use our our our technology our expertise to really create highly accurate existing as bill drawings of buildings survey as an analysis of these buildings why i want to do this i've been trying  to you know donate those services to the town for a number of years now i've approached the school department the historical commission even the police department because the tools that we use are the same that they use for a crime scene analysis as well no takers yet but  i do live locally and i have you know ties to the community wife and two kids here so i thought that this technology which is very expensive would be would suit the town for a number of purposes and looking objectivity and knowing perhaps both sides of the equation you know being the people who think somebody was something on the design and development side construction side and also someone like myself who had been before the zoning board of appeals to try to get a variance in his own home foxborough and understand the process so i think that's very important i also think it's very important to understand the building industry and how different trades work with each other not against each other you know this site surveyors the architects the builders town officials those kinds of things i think communication skills to people is essential and i and i feel very comfortable talking groups people about subject matter that i that i understand thanks jim have you spent time with the current zoning going to the meetings and participating and seeing how that process works yeah i  when i got the call of a couple of weeks ago i attended the last only for last thursday or two there is ago so i did see that process and it was interesting because there was two you know there were two cases up and one was a residential project that well you know some of the neighbor was building a house and the neighbors other concerns and one was a larger project where twenty houses are being developed so it was good to see kind of the small large thing and then i've also been involved in i  get a variance on my other home to go through that process with the builders and architects and so forth and getting the zoning boards decisions and then you know refining my design to meet their needs and so forth yeah ok bar for about eleven years now ok i've bought a home that was built in about seven hundred ninety five and restore that soul that recently and bought another home that i currently live in about two years ago ok and there's no way a living or your business is no conflict with any projects would you be able to really to do so in coming to the zoning board of appeals for variance well i mean what i do every day i like you know you might hear an attorney say i'd stick to the facts i mean what what i do is if you have a building that needs to be remodeled for example you will call me and i will do that analysis i will take the measurements i'll tell you how big it is how tall it is and do the  design so i understand you know dimensional aspects of these buildings and how one building relates to another in a disconnected and connected way because we often do things where clients are trying to combine multiple structures into one for example so we have to understand how sites relate to buildings how shadows affect other buildings how the heights and distances relate to each other and design aspects so that's what i do every day  and i think that understanding how buildings are constructed the language of buildings as they say you know is is essential to understanding what it takes to take something down and then rebuild it in a way that is suitable for the town and the neighbors just off the cuff question you say you bring in potential survey services to the different school of police and no one no takers why is that we're not ready for that type of technology or there's just no use for it right now i frankly don't think the technology is quite understood when i spoke to the school board basically what i try to kind of distill down to them was that if you're going to renovate your school and you need existing drawings you know there's a market check will charge you thousands of dollars that i'm i will do that for you for one hundred to three hundred thousand dollars that's the most advanced measuring equipment you can buy in the civilian market and we have it here foxboro and we have not talked yet but we will yeah ok but i think you're right it i think it's just a lack of understanding i think  so quick shout out while waiting to have another one foxboro cable access i don't know if you followed them over the last month they they covered every basketball team high school which did phenomenal share all the way down a second and third graders so you could watch you know a little kid play on it transitioned into the mike over the weekend all the plays and other doing the spring stuff probably ninety five percent volunteer effort so if you're at home and you see someone with a camera they're usually a volunteer i mean frank does our stuff as a volunteer but i know last year some of the spring sports they were doing the someone said ten events in one day when it's just amazing so you get a chance to teacher at harbor a high school so my investment in civic responsibility is something that i engage my students with on a regular basis and something that i feel is important and i think it would be well worth my time sir live it as well as teach it specifically i'm interested in this way because of the proceedings that of been engaged with the fisher str development which directly impact my neighborhood i've learned more about the ford to be law in the last two months than i ever could have imagined i would have known and i would say that  i'm very eager to serve the community that my wife and i have adopted as our home for the last six years that would be a short  of where i'm coming from and my general interest so hopefully you might have some more specific questions when we try to be consistent so the some of the questions were already asked the other churches but what  been deeply concerned throughout the process of the fisher street development that there's been a lack of transparency from a number of quarters the fact that  state rep has known about this proposal for well over two years and that the neighbors weren't included in any discussions until the proposal was revealed in the reporter on christmas whole with the candidate who will take their concerns as a primary focus i don't know if that distinguishes me from other candidates but it is definitely something that i think you could say is true of me but you'll but you'll you'll tackle a wide variety of shortages i would i would say i guess you could say my concern goes back to maybe that casino issue  the proposal for a casino out on route one would have had very minimal impact on my neighborhood over on the other side of town but i understood the impact it would have on other people in town  both direct about hers and certainly the neighborhood surrounding one and so i would say that my concern about the casino proposal had very little to do with myself and had much more to do with the general concern for foxboro as a whole  it's because of the specific proposal on fisher street that i have become more aware of of what goes into the zoning in particular with a forty b project project the soup of things yeah the one question i had for all the candidates i think you answered and think if you can do this my question was is there any particular project that there's a conflict  or the reason for being on the board having heard that if you're direct about or you live on that road do you envision yourself participating in that process which is coming forward i would hope i would be allowed to i don't consider that to be a conflict of interest at all i consider that to be very direct interest specific concern that got me interested in the process as a whole i would say  there are existing conflicts of interest that i have had concerns about pertaining to this i don't particularly think it's up to individuals or boards in town to help facilitate hand over group mass of my zing their profits which i think is something that may have been engaged in so i would say that would be a conflict of interest that i'm concerned about if constituents felt that me being involved in a process and pertaining to that was a conflict of interest i would respect that wholeheartedly my goal is to represent the people of foxboro enough in the attendance of the z b meetings have ok thank you is is the proposed forty b really the impetus for you being here tonight i say it's the original impetus with the with the understanding that they have to go before the  appeals short for approval and if you were appointed in they did appear before the board do you think you main objective i think absolutely i would say that despite what i would say is inaccurate and unfair criticism in the box were reported by mr hickey about his beliefs about our neighborhood i think everybody in our neighborhood is open to the possibility of development there i think nobody is opposed to the owner of the property using their fourth amendment rights to develop and do something with their own private property what we're concerned about is the size and the scale of the proposal and simply the size and the scale of the proposal and making sure that what goes in there is appropriate for the neighborhood i think that's a philosophy i would take to the z b a under any proposal that what we're looking at is people's rights to develop and balancing that with the people who bought and they're now in their concerns and needs as well thank you are you at all familiar with the others been reading a lot about them sure yeah i mean i have no intention if i would be in point of going in unprepared by any stretch of the imagination just curious if you've had an opportunity to look at the recently proof signed by law and if you have right was very nice to speak with you tonight i appreciate the opportunity to come before you all and i hope i get to serve the people of foxboro this is a town that my wife and i are very happy we've moved to we've been here about six years now we have  regulations of the affordable housing trust this board made several suggestions i incorporated those and i guess we're here to finalize it and figure out how you adopt a regulation and get this thing moving right and i've been delighted we've had a number of folks call and they were anxious and willing to serve on the trust which is good and can you summarize the changes that you made planning board spent a lot of time with ad calm and interested citizens of the powers that are given to the housing trust have been  modified from what the state law would require this regulation proposes that disbursements may only be made with the authorization of the board  that they're not off spending money on something that there isn't community support for and that in order for the trust to borrow money or pledge trust  access or grant more mortgages requires town meeting action and that's something the state law says the trust could do and we felt it was more of an advisory board and something that would work with existing  facilitate making this happen again the planning board i'm sure would love to do this they have a very full plate with all the development that's been going on you will have fulfilled the necessary activities within that time but say to say there are the sunset provision homes and this is sunset is what would what would happen to the assets of the housing trust the housing trust at this point had time has no assets the money that the is mitigation paid by mr king which is in an account set up with the planning board i think that to transfer bring it into the general fund no we would have to return i believe to mr place ok if it's not spent by someone be at the housing trust the planning board and i was designated town boards within a reasonable period of time right and that was part of the urgency really to bring this forward now right is who cares collecting the money and we don't want to lose that beyond the sunset they do see any tribes need for this trust by two once the town hits ten percent we're still subject to comprehensive permits but they turn into a friendly comprehensive permit process future forty b s for example and i could see them working with the housing authority or other existing town boards to facilitate moving things along  and i think if we're giving up so much in the zoning and giving up so much in terms of support for the projects we should make sure that folks that live in our town get first crack at a portable lousing units and it's  limited under the state law so the affordable housing trust which would be under separate set of rules we could be planning more for people who live in the town now  permitted documents well written as fourteen points of definition and purpose but just for a very layman's perspective from but if you could describe it in order for this to work you need money and assets and at the end you need to spend it on moderate low income people so right if mary jones wants to donate twenty thousand dollars or there's a developer that wants to do it get your mitigation right so from that first idea all the way to turn the door knob on a rental or a building thing how does this work the housing trust as you said has fourteen different powers i've seen affordable housing trusts do moderate rehab on existing homes for low income people in town so that they are don't aren't priced out of the community because they can't maintain their home i've seen housing trust do energy efficiency projects on homes of low income people so that they're not there furnace isn't operating at forty or fifty percent but at ninety five percent and their fuel oil goes that much further all the way up to actually constructing  pledging the money for a portion of a very large project so it's determined based on the needs and you all participated in the housing needs study that m c did for us the first year under south coast rail and we heard that what the town needs are houses for housing for larger families housing for elderly and empty nesters and  other types of housing essentially singles you know the and of homes that are being addressed by four or five bedroom mega mansions that cost eight hundred nine hundred thousand dollars  to give the trust chance and see if it actually accomplishes anything for the benefit of the town and townspeople so there's there's funding waiting or ready the planning board has housing mitigation monies which have been paid in part there's a schedule that mr king is paying that money so they would like expertise in assistance and figuring out how t best spend that money and get the most bang for the buck and a much is in total over the two years will be three hundred twenty thousand dollars and once the trust is established that doesn't preclude the trust from applying for grants through and m h f a and others housing doesn't preclude them from working with habitat for humanity or the foxboro housing authority or other missed almost that sharon so really then we we have to take a vote to approve housing trusts regulations and any other actions that we like i am not an expert when the planning board adopts regulations we have to advertise twice no paper the first advertisement at least fourteen days prior to our hearing people notice that their regulations are being considered i assume opposed to it just because of the stigma of quote affordable housing no we worked very hard prior to town meeting action to develop these regulations to think about the extent to which we wanted to have the power is limited there was a lot of sense that we didn't want to create a powerful board that was an accountable to anyone we wanted a board that worked with existing town boards and and would bring in advocacy for housing as much as anything else to the forefront so i think that that we we talked to a number of boards citizens we work closely with that  had people call us and make comments and try to address all their concerns through this this violence no one to three a process that has been a long process to mr keegan's credit he's really been instrumental in keeping us pushing along and getting this really moving and we're anxious to get going i need one more board meeting to attend that night it but i think one of the things that people were concerned about they didn't want this thing to be lingering for in perpetuity and that's why the sunset clause was was put in there so that's good if it works fine we can extend it if it doesn't work exactly you can buy stuff and then the money being deposited with the planning board would remain with the planning board so the decision to extend this if necessary working an asmer an extension or eliminate the sunset clause altogether i don't know what my decision might be but let's give it a chance in which fourteen months  the terms of this are two years we've done just some of the articles as you flip through we've defined mine came around a definition of holiday pay a little bit more what defines a holiday if it's a state holiday what days it celebrated on just so that when we do have for especially this group the on call weekends which just happened a lot this year we know that you know in advance what they'll be and how it will be paid so underneath them we've we've added a couple of new allowances underworked clothes and shoes just a very small increment on increases food allowance from four fifty to four seventy five most members need two pairs of boots this winter again was another example of why they used a lot of outdoor clothing i also gave a very small incremental increase to the mechanics tools mechanics kept our stuff running through the whole year we've replaced we talked about replacing a very  plan with three supervisors that had three rotating teams so that we always knew who was on call for snow and emergency events such as water breaks things like that we defined when that's been clarified on page four of that if you take a look the terms of the agreement is that we kept the existing salary schedule with a two percent cost of living increase and death in keeping with all of the other collective bargaining agreements we discussed a performance evaluation tool so to advance to the step we started discussing the document provided the sample for for the inuit to look at and it was basically agreed upon you know might be some tweaking of the document and then we need to find the summer schedule again there's because of the earlier daylight it's been desirable to work a longer day  from time and we decided to keep it and it was important to the guys who are working specially this winter with tons and tons of overtime they work a sixteen hour overtime shift they like to sometimes maybe take eight hours and that in long one discussion about that and that's going to be managed but when we had yes we actually had a meeting between both high water feel myself randy accounting to talk about a system of checks and balances there has been to think that being said there has been a system in place for many many years with putting in a slip of how many hours you're going to take and when you're going to take it you put in another slab been running on an excel spreadsheet but now w and clarified to other small things there's a water detail that's done a gillette stadium by a member of the water apartment and we talked about detail pay in like police contracts and fire contracts mourner to use an actual hourly detail pay in and we talked about that last time but where there's an agreement with the town that agreement changes in this contract is not correct why would that be in a contract verse if they agree with the town for a private business to do it why does it have to be in a union contract i think it was sort of a group decision that yeah i think it was it was too it was a reflection of well it was the idea was to not change it into a detail it in somebody's got to know you know what the question was is if the game's on a sunday their contract says they're going to get paid double time and it's in the the agreement with the stadium no matter what da if it's a thursday night game if it's a saturday or whatever the agreement says it's going to be paid time and a half so we had to clarify that because the practice and the contract work in their theory this is a current practice of paying one and a half times employees regular rate for the the t v to do you need to have the certain water water certification either about three or four levels of it you need to be it couldn't be any employee who has the water certification and it's you know they're the only ones allowed to touch those valves ha if they had to switch from one water system to another because of an emergency done stadium has to be a certified water operator doing it that's the detail of the tower records and then just finally the last thing you changed was the grievance process there was some just confusion about there not being accurate step spelled out the steps refine the process was fine it was just the length of time in between steps determine and and then we would discuss going forward like stream grievance prophecies across all the contracts everything they're all very issue on the other with the water and sewer board and because there are still some while i was away think we really need to discuss that too to follow her further discussion i have asked that both both boards get the other for workshop discussion next week finalize their positions on this because i think if we have a little more discussion as we can try to come to a resolution that might work but i'm reluctant to have the water position on this at this time until we have that we have the full contract where we have one remaining bargaining session with them until the deadline comes for you to look at it and then our condo so we're meeting with them on monday we're coming to you on tuesday if an agreement is reached and then good at comm on wednesday and on and after that it would just have to go to a fall time meeting if we had don't have an agreed upon contract that being said that's also holding up our  personnel by law because right now the personnel by a lot of lists all with a steelworker positions because they were formally under the by law and so we kind of have two versions of the purse now by law going one that has the positions in it one that has the moved on so that we may just without a decision on it if there is no agreement was to work as we're still hoping that there is we would be bringing to a not so personnel by law but maybe in the fall it would have considerable changes if that contract comes for ratification of the photon meeting so on the language changes for personnel by law will will happen because of the town manager new to wish and policy that may also be in there where the beginning stages of discussing a really interesting vacation or cool policy this just to clarify the way that we accrued vacation but i don't know if we're going to be ready for that life and you know it may end up that we make better comprehensive changes if it's in the fall but you know we're going forward with a positive attitude that we could be bringing you a very way and a vacation accrual policy change for only eight employees or nine that would be covered by this by law would not be a huge undertaking for the finance and payroll departments and accounting to change accruals and work in munis but if it included all of the steel worker because they're you know they have a lot really a lot to contribute to this community and they do they've done a lot for the community and so i want to make sure that we're able to keep that going in the right direction was supporting a lot of the historical components that we have here a lot of the artifacts that we have so i met with them last week and i actually suggested there was a denim historical site is a very is a very structured program and it's and they have an excellent director who i spoke with today and she and she's actually offered to come out and meet with them to kind of give them some ideas on how they can actually how they can i can that they can further improve their program and certainly they can ask me questions that they have about how they can do two things over this little bit differently hall and you know the extent we can actually help them make that really make that really a gem of the community you know will focal point would love to be able to see that happen so i mean i think we're about to do some more along the lines with a little time but we're going to get there i think having some additional ideas and and vicki to me was always a great resource of information and all the resources that that she has connections to so i think she'll be able to share that with this group she was who takes us to the next issue is the trash program and i have to tell you this is one the most unique set ups i've ever seen the way it's currently set up it's not really i'm not really sure what to call it because it's a combination of things so i've been working with what i'll to try and develop a regulation because there really isn't a regulation in place but by the same token it's really a free market system and i'm really hesitant to change that because it seems to  good but by the same token we have a contract with with the with the contractor right now that contract is up on june thirtieth and so i actually have given them notice that you know we you know that their contract is up but we still want to have a but on the fortune on the unfortunately the other side of that is at the other contract into which ships would be the major dually has fifty five percent of the business right now so it's not profitable at all really that i can see for the other company to be doing that so the question i have is ok i'm fine with the way it's working out for the residents or what the residents to be happy about but at the same time i want someone to pick up town trash so that's what we've got to we got to work our way through that to make sure that we're not by the tile trust and really can't say no because that's what the contract that they signed right in the end the only question i have at that point is you know what what's the parameters of that point because i don't know because again he has a signed contract but seems all the rules changed along the way what we don't we don't want to build things out we don't build and build a thing but that was all written into the contract or not we're not the clearinghouse for the bills by signing that contract they took ownership of all  decided take on a life of its own which is great but the whole idea so a lot of people started submit stuff about their operations there in the one ploys the things going on in people's lives that people have to talk about and i think  meeting time the i'm sorry the agenda times applied to become a manager in the liquor license was subsequently her in february of that year indicated that policy for the id scanner was to be used on thursday friday and saturday nights and busy nights of larger than usual crowds but then said monday through sunday would not be used i think it should be sunday through wednesday nights the scanner would not be used at the door but be behind the bar your discussion i think you were talking about the fact that you know as you're describing us that waxes then goes on to be found guilty of an over serving situation b this is about the fact that they did not bring forward when they were asked if they had violations raised so i don't so just change with two