good evening everybody and happy new year welcome to the regular meeting of the school many of the town of foxborough today january fifth two thousand and fifteen along with me to get used to that we have a couple of just like modification ago cost analysis of universal free full day kindergarten versus the current program which will be a good discussion will follow that with a continuation of our discussion around the twenty fifteen twenty sixteen school from foxborough high school tonight i would like to ask for a moment of silence of a former massachusetts united states senator edward brooke that died on saturday at the age of ninety five from natural ca gables florida so you know the visitors will take up the regular meeting minutes from december fifty do have some things that i would like to bring up with regards to that and i just gimme a minute here so i can get a little more going on that one of the things that i did want to talk about of the things that's listed there is the elementary math specialist and that point five was included because last year we received a grant that there is concern that we may not be able to that we may not happen for next year and we won't know that until later in the year so we wanted to ensure the security of the the leadership here what i wanted to ensure that we would retain the two point five position of the math specialist for f y sixteen and the reason for the point five and in discussing this with bill and debbie  we one of the things that i thought about and i wanted to bring this to the committee for their consideration was increasing that position to one point zero and the reasoning for that would be a one full time at equivalent position would be to ensure that we would have three full time equivalent positions for the district for the math specialist program for lack of a better word for that so meaning one math specialist for each elementary school right now we have the two point five that shared for the three elementary schools but the spirit was always that we would eventually have one her elementary school and with our english specialists are reading specialists we do have one for each elementary school given the demands of our increased math requirements for seniors now that will be obviously affecting as our as our younger population moves through given the change in the standardized testing that will be occurring it just seems like it would there would be more equity to ensure that we would have a mass specialist for east element each elementary school now i understand that this does come with ramifications obviously to scully and but it is something that i know in the past we have talked about that that's what we had hoped to do and i believe it's been seven years since we initiated the math because i've been back more than seven years and this so the next seven say and a half and this position was already in the at the first one right oh you must have done it eight years for math challenge and math intervention that it was about eight years ago at least that we can track back i'm sure it's about eight years and the longevity of that and realizing that eight years later you still haven't we sort of realized you know having one in each school did put it in a different perspective than i had thought of before that it's seems to it does take a while to get things to who we want but maybe that's been a long time so when katie brought that up like you know we've been trying to number of years to get to this point really did make a point can i i'm just a little confused i'm sorry i just need a little clarification because in the what's new in the school budget in your summary are you saying this should be increased from a point five a one point zero yes ok but on what it is listen here it's point five now right and that's that's put in to retain the two point five if we don't get the grant that oh that's supply right if we don't get that grant so the one point zero would ensure that we could have three fulltime  right but there is a chance that we could be over that which means we could receive the grant which would then mean that we would have an additional point five if we were lucky in the edge or not enough redish it was a surprise so it we feel that we're probably at high risk to go back to not having that extra so to case point if you put it in the budget would ensure that we have one in each school which has been the law and we have not yet ok realized that and if we do get the grant maybe you can just speak to the fact that if we did if we were able to obtain a grant what that would do in terms of well then you have basically half of position that we could reallocate to other things we need it could it could mean more mass support at another level at maybe the middle school it could be more mass support the elementary level you know half a position isn't a lot to have excess of let's say so i wouldn't describe it as excess in any way i would just say would be purpose that for other needs that we have in the area of mathematics so you wouldn't be losing anything and i think the other point is that we have had great data the last couple years from middle school math achievement scores and it does start with what support with of support reviving at the elementary level as well it's not just what's happening to middle school with sending kids on a stronger perspective and i think like the spirit in which you're talking and i'm on board for whatever that's worth but the other half position would also help you load balance over the years so if school needed jump in and i may jump in when you're talking to you just as i'm using my notes from our meeting here as we said last night when we were here the the budget as it stands today obviously without the adjustment that katie is referring to we have about a million just  just shy of a million seventy thousand an increase for salaries hall basically contractual when you consider the fact that our net right now and in positions is almost equal to  basically at the net have to eke out just under one so i guess that's point one so you know there's very little change on our total salary count and our budget so that that million seventy thousand really is what it takes to move our staff between steps lanes and the colo increase of two percent across the entire district the expansion is that we talked about last time we end on page nine of the  hand that we did last time bill can i interrupt you for one moment just before you go to expense size the side i just want to just kind of just talk again about those other additions to positions just because well the music teacher at the middle school just remind the committee and folks at home that the enrollment in participation in music over the past four years has increased from fifty to seventy eight percent seventy eight said so that's very significant and that's why we're adding that point for the middle school because we we want to continue to support and grow the music program again from the middle school and we want to make sure the students have that those opportunities so that then we can you know bring those students forth to the to the high school and then just remind her about the reduction at the high school of those two positions the one point zero english teacher and then the one point zero math teacher again just like we've done in the past reviewing our class sizes at the elementary school level i think it's prudent for us to do the same at the high school so i commend the administration to be you know to to do this because obviously they're saying that you know there's there's not that neat for those two positions in that the class sizes are still going to be totally manageable and that there's been a change over the course of time it sounds like i'm talking to to bill and debbie and i know they spoke to  about the kinds of classes that are students are taking and so that's impacting as well the need for it he would might speak into that a little bit just to make sure i'm clear i think i spoke to at the last meeting but i think i could have done a better job so i think i know that it used to seeing us recommending a reduction and but i think my point at the december meeting we first presented the preliminary budget is that we make a really concerted effort to allocate needed and to make that's why we're recommending some additions to shoot both ends in either a full time position or have time or a point for whatever we think would would fit fit the the need but at the same time we also do the opposite we look at case loads in class sizes you know all across every grade level every subject area every department so if there if there is a point where we think that we could do with a little bit less than that we think it is our responsibility to do the same due diligence when it comes to considering whether we don't need something as we do when we say we do need something else so we have a lot of backup data both for the music both the high school that we share with katy i think that was a really helpful discussion to say this is the data we have this is why we think what we think and why we're recommending what we're recommending so there really are three factors that are going into the high school reductions that you see i want to make sure i explain that the first thing is that the trickle down of our population eventually hits all grade levels so as you can see last year we might be running one less section of kindergarten based on moment so that those little shifts have happened you know years ago we have eleven sections of fifth grade we now have ten so we have different shifts going on that that go along with the population shifts and really the the population i still call it a trickle because it is a trickle really had yet to the high school and it really did this year to the point and in that we're showing signs of last couple of years that the trickle was starting to the high school but not enough for us to feel confident in reduction but i think this year especially with the english department in this is something that's been discussed in that department so it wasn't any surprise to them because they know there were moments that that that was one thing that was occurring so that the trickle down of the population is one factor the second factor that is influence that is that in the late ninety's and through the two thousands when m cast was new word was just even saying the first fifteen years of them cast there were there was a great need for m p s remediation classes for s a t prep classes anything that i would call test prep classes that we needed kids to be taking those a lot of kids took them to be successful but our students are really doing so well in the general curriculum  a mathematics that we're running fewer and fewer sections both in math and english of all those remediation classes so the sections are going on filled so that's a that's a good news story in the our staff is doing such a great job that and the kids are doing such a great job as they come up not just when they had high school but their their cheating at higher higher levels as they go along so when they get to the high school they don't need those types of remediation or test prep classes that they needed when when the high stakes test first came about so that's another thing that has contributed to the trickle down of the need for staffing at that level and the third thing is really as you know over the past several years we have really expanded our elected program across all departments so whether you're talking about forensic science  guitar class a music department so as we offer more and more robust electives across all departments you know they're all fighting for the same clients if you will so that the high school students of the clients they're all going to decide where they want to go and sometimes the the traditional electives that maybe existed a while ago aren't what the kids are choosing because they have more to choose from so just like anything the student's choices and electives are being spread more thinly and so we're not running the same number of sections of some of the english or the math electives that we used to so those three factors the competition for electives the decreased need for a mediation intervention or test prep classes and the trickle down of the of the population at the high school really have gotten a slow point where we felt certainly comfortable with the english reduction and i would say somewhat comfortable with the math reduction although we really won't know until the kids enroll in february when they do the class election that's when we will you know for sure but we feel that at that point we would be able to make an adjustment within what we're given so we felt it was the responsible thing to do is to put forward that that recommendation right ok and then just want to comment and that's about the middle school high school district technology integration specialist so one thing that we may have discussed at the last meeting but that we had conversations about that i had conversations with bill and debbie about was that this  this position is part of our tech plan and this will then allow again for there to be more equity across all throughout the district so they'll be one technology specialist at the elementary one at the middle school and one of the high school and with all of the technology that we are doing we need that's those kinds of resources and supports out i just want to remind the committee as well that that is part of our overall technique and to make sure that we provide provide staff  cities just to summarise from your perspective as a member of the budget subcommittee in terms of the ads and minuses from the staffing perspective you're in agreement with everything bill put together with the one support the students in the districts and then we thank you for the additional explanation i know i reacted when i first heard it but then you explained it to me prior to this meeting and i think did a nice job just now summarizing it for the public so i do basically we bought just slightly over the line relative to our low income levels and as deb said that could easily in the in the following years calculation i could easily be back to the line like we w we yeah and that money goes back so and unfortunately as you all know we don't know anything about grants until well after the state budget is completed and actually the grants that most of the ones that amy are is applying for during the summer timeframe we don't even get those in from that information to late summer early fall we probably won't know that this allocation until late july actually so if you were to consider katie suggestion to put the elementary specials in the budget that would certainly give us a little bit more confidence going forward as staffing because that's also a difficult time it'll be probably early august before we know for sure to decide who's going to work what if we're going to put people in place so i actually thought that was  considerate and it made more sense to me than our proposal honestly i'd like to spend another minute on that because as you were just describing that bill my mind was thinking you so i don't want to grant budget could go down or available funds could go down and our grant was supporting that was it it was up and i was one of the yes ok so now i understand the congress point which is if that goes down this is the way to keep it number of years since we've been trying to get this fully in place just made so much sense you know because you don't sometimes we're thinking year to year budget and we want to be conservative but that longer perspective it's taken so long to get to the point where one mass special about a fifth of it is relating just to the fact that we're losing too many discounts to utilities which is our communications billing as i said the that whole process has changed dramatically going down over the last few years but they finally have pulled the plug on all of the communication side in favor of what will be a new plant coming out that basically is to promote the wireless infrastructure across the state but again it's all done in tears and we are one of the lowest cheers as far as getting to the grant money so obviously the bigger cities in the urban you know the urban areas that don't have the finances that haven't been able to do anything with with wireless internet to this point would get that money first the other side of that is we have just basically completed our wireless internet so we're not going to get back money for what we've already done could we get more to do some advancements on it yes but it's not likely that that's going to mean as much to us so instead of getting a discount off all these bills that we've been getting for the years next year we are this year actually we're starting to pay almost the full rate next year we pay the full rate on all those bills so we lose eighteen thousand dollars in funding that basically is coming from the rate and then a couple of the other larger items that were in here homeless transportation you really don't have a say on it relative to paying for it is a state mandate one unfunded as most of them are now  that we currently have is underfunded as it is i will have to make up the money this year to fund the expenses at the rate we're running right now i'm expecting to be about forty two thousand and we have less than thirty thousand dollars in that line so we're trying to find it up to forty thousand for the following year we do get back fifty percent of that after firing but go to the general fund so you know in my opinion in my annual reports basically i have to break that all out in the states so far has been finding that a fifty percent the stonehill summer program about twenty seven hundred dollars which is our membership fee again i don't have that this year's budget it's it's due july first so it's a next year's expense and so up at that and then the student tech leadership program which so far been very successful this year which you obviously would like to continue into next year so those are the three almost make up fifty percent of the expense increase by themselves and the other ones are most of them are around smaller increases in either materials or some technology items that we're trying to emphasize on the high school level did you mention the spend out of district tuitions as well which is right those are all contractual right with the state we don't have any control  state actually basically monitors and allows for a certain rate of increase for any one of those programs they typically have been running right around the two and a half to three percent range and they soon as the state sends out its guidelines as to what the law they pretty much all go right up to it so we've been getting a pretty much standard increase we've been fortunate our student count that is out of district has been saying consistent so it's not a matter of that we're getting a large jump in the number of programs we're going into or we're switching well the thing that i like about this budget it really does start from ground zero we start with our payroll and we go person by person so we literally have a payroll register that's every employee of the of the district we actually have them moving their lanes moving their staffs and that's what's actually accounting for the financial side of the payroll so it's not we're targeting a number and same sex percent it's actually people bodies and staff that we currently have and as dep said that's why we are looking at every single position within the district as far as what is our classrooms you know capacities our size of what are we doing currently what is realistic to be doing we do that from the elementary all the way through on an annual basis and again it's hard just to find that payroll percentage as far as we're going there and on the expense side it's really you know we've we've been pretty tight on expenses really for the last seven or eight years in the district we had a couple of increases last year for more on technology issues that were starting to come up with getting a lot of licenses  with all the new technology we have all the equipment has licenses on it the user licenses all of the software has user licenses that have to be renewed annually paid for so i mean you know that's all stuff that is part of the the ever growing curriculum and  technology but it's also a cost that we have to absorb and be able to maintain as far as our standard basics you know paper and stuff like that that's all stayed pretty you know pretty consistent not a lot of changes there it's really all the new offerings stuff that we have even you know and add the engineering course and you have a program of expense that you have to be able to keep up with the curriculum on that as well so it's all good stuff for the students but it all comes with the cost of a top i got to get over steve just just want to get out front that i was supposed to meet also and hadn't met with deb or bill yet but i am keeping my eye on some real estate development that's being done here and has come into town fairly recently with an announcement and would like to find out if we haven't already and i'll talk next week with bill as to what we know or don't know as to how that will affect the  numbers in the student body forthcoming or whatever and should we be prepared to keep the level of excellence that we have which i believe is one hundred percent there for whatever may be coming our town's way so that we don't have to was really looking for obviously it's two hundred forty eight units which is very similar to the lodge which is down there just in jos in size it is a forty b project but twenty five percent of the project is forty v you know pricing i did get  what the pricing is and to be honest with you it's not cheap even at the forty p rates you're still talking about a one bedroom that's close to twelve hundred dollars so it's it's you know once they get up to two or three bedrooms it's still going to be you know not what i would classify an inexpensive process proposition and then the other seventy five percent are market and based on what i've seen in a lot from a market perspective they're fairly expensive things and that's why we see very few kids actually coming out of the lodge itself which is also for the project i think there's a ratio of as many students about lodges was initially intended when they were building there or is regionally perhaps thought of but i think our conversation was you know just just like we can district wide trickle down about one hundred students and it's it's across thirteen grade levels and it's not a lot so we can i'm going to say fairly easily accommodate another hundred students and we don't have nearly that not even close to that because i don't care what how it's dressed i just want to make sure that we're able to accommodate the student body and and blow their minds with how awesome we are right now which we are but i would say clearly it's not enough why sixteen issue  budget wise because based on their their proposed schedules it wouldn't even be something that they'd be putting children into and if anything it would turn out to be a trickle up which we can easily accommodate and so our conversations from all the information we gather because certainly is on our radar screen is the answer but when it's not it's really not something that's that we need to address because we don't even want to but we don't think that we think it's going to be that that trickle up just like we experience and we don't have a lot of students that live in that type of housing  right now because we've been adding a lot of new courses the last couple of years so this might be the year we wouldn't because the one we do want to add is computer science or advanced mathematics with a computer science application and we we we don't think it's going to be ready for september  the the other thing i did supply the committee with and there's handouts here was on the revolving accounts as we had promised we would do the as you'll see there's been a kind of a steady trickle down and most of these accounts in the way we're  put some of the money towards the security cameras and towards the turf field the baseball field as well during the last couple years so you know right now projecting that to be down around the forty five thousand range after the end of this year and you know that assumes again we are able to rent the building out as much as we have been for the last couple years athletic revolving goes up and down and the reason for that is whether or not we have the home thanksgiving game so obviously the the years that we do that's about forty basically that really kind of helps us pay for some of the program within the sports side of things after transportation is just we use our vehicles to obviously transport for different functions and stuff like that and again most of that goes to the offsets on the fuel site and the cost of the equipment itself r s three tuition based programs extended day adult education and summer school as you can see the extended day has really come back down significantly again we use part of that as an offset against district utilities and then the balance that i get is that they're fully funding themselves which which one is that is that the thinking so how is how ed to partly offset some of our electric cost you know again our budgets and all and budget so everything you know what the town pays is the portion that's left over from after we've used every revolving account we have after we use every grant we can we come up with and after we use our state so it's the balance of what they sickly needs to be funded through the process and i think the so what we've done in the last three years is really pull these back down to a level that basically gives us one year's comfort but not much more than that and we have tried to do it use a lot of these accounts to actually do some of these advancements in our or our programs you know whether it is security or whether it is you know facilities upgrades as well so the like i said the extended day the adult that are all twitching based on the extended day basically is a self funding group so the expenses that they're paying for all their salaries and all the operational side of it there is no funds that come from our regular budget to handle that but yet they do supplement some of our expenses on the other side so it is a win win situation far as a community concern they get the service and we get to use our facilities and basically offset some of our cost which is that point out the obvious but the offset you see on here tied to the  total offsets that bill has on page ten of the po if that isn't the way the all in budget we call in all it those of us who are used to it are you know it is what it is but it it can't the reason it can be confusing is because we show everything that we spend out and then back out but it's paid for through other sources whether it's revolving accounts or grants so the number chemical of a bigger initially but it's not what's being asked for as the district budget so that's why you see a lot of money you know when it says for example extended day expenses all it's a quite a bit mo ney but it's all the expenses of that program for example but you'll see it offset here because their salaries are in our  believe last year's mark was roughly thirty eight thousand dollars any expenses over thirty eight thousand on any given child whether it's transportation or out of just of tuitions is then on a shared basis with the state and basically they then will send you back checks over four quarters to make up whatever that percentage ends up being that you're getting back so what we've always tried to do in circuit breakers keep about a one year balance now that does two things for you number one as we all know it doesn't take a heck of a lot to have one child they can hit you on the two hundred thousand dollars mark so we have the ability to basically handle that happening during a school year without going back to the town which i think is extremely important i don't think the town ever wants to get upset over a quarter million dollars  that nobody saw coming ok so i think by by rotating the circuit breaker the way we do we were being very fiscally responsible and everybody is very visible every season is there we're not hiding or are trying to do anything with it but it is exactly what we're trying to move forward with  in the process and also to protect the town and again we've been very fortunate that i would you know we've been able to plan forward on pretty much all of our our district to asians and other than minor you know tweaks that have happened if someone moved from one program to another which had a different price tag we've always been able to manage that and when that does happen by the way we do go in gets and take extra money gets a circuit breaker affectively to mount and we don't go back looking for additional funding in any way so so again you know you're always running a year in arrears and what you're getting in you're always trying to keep the program there that we are doing there but we also have been one of the few districts that in the tuition side has not increased actuation rates we are at the three thousand dollars level for full tuition many of the districts around us are thirty five hundred to four thousand dollars so again i think we're doing the best we can with for our residents to to keep the cost is manageable as possible and you know so far that's worked out well for so we we continue to monitor that each year but again we're we're trying to you know maybe behind the eight ball and in some other areas so it is one way to bring it on lecture money but they may be just trying to make sure that they're you know at least one hundred percent covered in whatever that increase in the fifty percent you know more for salaries and and stuff is and again we've  very cautious not to try to jump all the way up to you know if you go up to four thousand dollars and you ever decide that you do want to make a change down the road at some point it's going to be a lot more money that you have to wean back off of to say ok we're going to survive this and make this move so i think again trying to be realistic to the residents with the three thousand dollars to issue which i think you know again i review this every year i've been very comfortable with where that is right now and cover with the way that the money is is being managed and i think that you know again i think regarding your circuit breaker and having the monies aside that's very consistent at least from my kind of experience with how things are done the town hall in many ways as well so it's good to see that practice followed through it and it's keeping up how to drive it safe and it's best for the students yeah and actually when i got here three years ago and sitting down with randy and stuff and i'll say honestly from his perspective one of the concerns was some of the levels of some of these accounts just candidly he thought they were too high and actually after looking at him and looking at the budget i didn't disagree with so but when i asked him to let me do was to do it over a period of time so that we weren't in one year slashing a budget and then the next year sitting back and saying ok well we're fifty percent of back because i don't think that would work practically either so this way we've been able to manage it over the last three years taking a little bit more each time bringing down you know what we're doing with these things and now obviously the balances are coming down so we're going to have to basically stay flat as we move forward that again shows collaboration with us and the whole time so thanks for those and the other discussion on the budget you know what i did not receive any feedback on the budget after our last meeting of the calendar i forget to have some response but the budget i haven't heard yet so my an initial read of that is that the town is initially comfortable with where we're headed personally just wan comment that i think bill your management of the revolving accounts and have your management of the staffing issues i think is is a terrific i know the public doesn't get to see everything we get to see but i really i think i speak of affleck many feel very comfortable with where we're going  personally i don't know if i'm quite there yet going to the one point on that third math but you know me i tend to respond slowly as i did on the high school the a part of that i mean just my just my quick reaction is part of that is we're asking the town to t think the four percent is a big number and we have to do that just to be where we are so i'm cautious about adding a lot more and yet you know you know i'm an ardent supporter of anything instructional a focus so i think that will take some time with that sit in that's my i also think you know the point is that we have shown that we're getting some leverage out of what we've done in the stem area at all levels and i want to make sure before we end i think larry thomas from the advisory committee is our liaison with bill and i met with and we had a good conversation about a lot of the things that we're doing and he had some great questions so having to say what i want to thanks for your time and we always learn a little bit more about the town perspective and have an opportunity to share some of the data that we have behind what so much in the back yeah so happy to have you back good to be back so i was here back in april of last year and you folks signed off on my project on the eagle scout project saying that i was good to go  i'm back to say that i finished the eagle scout side of it and happy happy to be done with that but at the same time this project a lot more than just my eagle scout project it's also a community project so the eagle scout project only accounted for just a portion of it there's still a lot more to do a lot more that's left to do and a lot more that can be done with this project that i plan on taking forward so yeah pretty much today i was just here to get the eagle scout projects side of so the plan is to build one hundred sixty billion bad houses that was the original plan now as we started building up and putting them up we realized that the was enough space around the school for one hundred sixty one hundred forty bird houses and twenty bad houses so we managed to get up a total of one hundred eighteen very bad houses ten bad houses and one hundred eight bird houses and we also managed to plant one hundred to bury bush's as well as we built ten or fifteen stone check dams and drainage soil over there to prevent over ocean of the swelling so that's where we stand now but that leaves a good amount of the bird houses that we have that we want to build and buil d on sponsored rather so our plan moving forward is to offer up those remaining bird houses to be sponsored to actually be taken home to people's homes and they can keep them at their house and the sponsorship would still all go into a budget that we plan on giving back to the school committee in an effort to maintain the fields in the bird houses going forward so people want to do that can still go to birdhouses foxborough birdhouses dot org yes now that's correct fox was spelled the bird houses that were sponsoring to be taken home there's also twenty one bird houses that we put up at the school that were on sponsored so if you still want to sponsor a bird house but you don't necessarily want to your house you  basically to kind of go through and explain which of the items are so baked in the six main items obviously the first one is our computer you know computer requests that we've been in a program since two thousand and five that basically allows us to replace about one fifth of all computers throughout the district as we move forward so we're doing that really on a you know  cycle program so it's by thing and by location the second item that we were bringing back up is a which will go into a little more detail is the integrated security system for the entire district that we're working on the third one is a recurring item like the foxboro high school turf field lighting is an item that we started to approach at the beginning of this year and so we're going to go into little detail on that and then the final thing is the rural school feasibility study again which is on hol d but i want to keep it as a place marker in each one of these as we come forward so again it's not something that's a surprise when it finally does hopefully get its approval on the computer hardware software and network upgrades as i said  this started to in fiscal zero ten and it was a probably a you know i think fiscally responsible way to set it up instead of having to get hit every three or four or five years with a very large cost it's been done on a cycle basis what it allows us to do is obviously keep the operating systems fairly fresh the equipment in good operating order without a lot of repairs and obviously as we all know the speed of equipment and the abilities of the computer the equipment has changed quite significantly year after year so having this ability to have our standards of equipment be fairly timely is great you know thing is obviously we are it's gone from being just a p c replacement to really being an entire network  replacement dollar factor so you know we deal with all of our servers across the district we're dealing with and at this point actually our servers have become the town servers so we are the town infrastructure now and  basically everything will be running on the servers that we've been putting together over the last couple years we have gone to a fully wireless network throughout the district over the last couple years we are also in the mode right now of having to deal with  supplying or having the ability to increase cad classroom capability for not only our testing that's coming down with the park but also just general curriculum issues where we can bring in on a car enough computers to be able to turn that room into a lab at any point in time any role within any of the buildings and we're deploying the first four of those this year and you know to try those on the high school the middle school level but it will be the only way if we get into the standardized testing that is a requirement and doing it electronically down the road it will be the only way we'll be able to do that because we don't have enough labs enough computers throughout the district to handle the amount of testing that's that's required so it's we're kind of venturing into it but again this is the line that basically would handle give me some of that capability you know you know point with almost every i think we're the only district that does not have a mobile lab or mobile labs if you will every of the district has mobile labs and acronym ok kat as we've been calling the half ones but it's not it's not a new thing out of what people think but we'll find almost everybody else has those at this point which makes you more flexible in the every day instruction if so that that basically that part of the request is one hundred seventy five thousand dollars the the second piece which is actually something we're going to try to build on here and i think a little disappointing to both devon i but in the time it's taken to get to here but f y fourteen we did propose the installation of cameras across the district we received about fifty four thousand dollars from the free cash side of the town's funding would put up fifty thousand of our own revolving accounts towards it and we were able to basically gain or or garner seventy five hundred dollars worth of grants to bring us up to one hundred twelve thousand dollars when we went to actually go out to been on that what we quickly determined was that our network capabilities to handle those cameras and to basically stream the data across we just really didn't have the capability to do it internally and so that set us on an entirely different path in f y fifteen in which we were again successful in getting the town to fund it but what we did was we went through funding to actually upgrade our entire networks and it actually turned out to be a much larger program than even just school networks we have created the entire towns network on top of that we did the entire fiber core that goes around the town has now been upgraded double what it used to be so this summer from july first to actually right about now there has been huge sweeping changes that have been happening behind the scenes that most people haven't seen and they're just starting to be you know seen on our side and i give you a typical example of that you know we went from call ten one hundred as far as the speed up to ten gig capability within the high school right now in some of our sections in the high school you can literally download a f l two hour movie in about ten seconds so we really have popped the second ale there what we're capable of doing and that's all now being actually pushed out into the classroom level it's going take a little while to finish that part but it does not give us our capability y fourteen we've basically been holding that money and ran you know why we're calling it f y fifteen we used the money already to actually start the whole process of getting the infrastructure up and now what we hope to do actually were we've brought some bids in but when we look at the security system we actually feel that the better way to deploy this is not just put hammers into the five buildings the second part of that is what they call access control now we do have that at the herne right now and have had  where any teacher or any authorized individual has a fog on their teaching can go up to the door that recognizes who they are lets them and when you do that as an integrated system with your cameras the cameras know that someone just came in it goes and clicks it will actually start recording who's moving throughout the building that way and if you do it all is one one fell swoop it's first of all it's more economical to do it that way and second of all you get a much better secure system that you're developing versus having two totally separate systems  will say that the one thing that i ben and i think deb and amy both encounter with his we are a little behind on some of our access controls and stuff through our district so i think in trying to do this now the right way in which we've tried to reset new everything the right way it's going to cost us a little bit more money because the door controls obviously are expensive in institute i mean we've got to do it in four buildings one building has a deal for don't and also by doing the integrated system where we're going to now have cameras in everything that are going to recognize when this movement is happening so we're go go from probably the hundred twelve thousand up to just about one hundred ninety thousand it cost to do this we think it's the right way again if the town doesn't feel that is then we will install the cameras and kind of move that would be  it but again i think i'd rather give the town the option to do it the first time right you know as you can see we don't just rush out spend the money and hope we do it right we're really trying to be very thoughtful and how this money is spent so so that's the the current proposition it will always be probably considering what i've heard in some other districts we will never be putting out in our first round you know a lot of cameras were putting out enough cameras to cover all the main areas of the building in the main entry just stuff like that but i've heard some districts that have had two hundred cameras in a single building which to me is is just an unbelievable number but you know again we want to do it right and we're building a system that we can always add cameras to so if we find that in the initial installation that we've got a blind spot someplace that really needs to have a camera down the road the system will be all designed and ready for that or just a matter of adding that camera i like this idea of the access control i think it's great and it's necessary but if this doesn't go forward in the c in to actually have a even you know how the level that what we're talking about they just have more cameras involved that when we were doing phase one here so we've kind of had to practice we've kind of had to stall this for a year because we needed to bring up the infrastructure  past year but we talked a lot about this in the past and how important security is for our staff for our students for this community as a whole and i think that we really need to think you know and really get out there and talk to people about what you're proposing because i think it's critical and i think it's like anything you know when there's something in the media that draws our attention to it then everybody's on board for doing that you know what we need to do and so we just we need to really keep this in mind and  goes fully to the other step and the reason why we upgraded the work with randy in the townsite to upgrade the entire fiber network is that literally if something were to happen anywhere even if it's just on a surveillance site where there's a concern of a problem that's going on it will be able to stream real time live to the police station up on their monitors with absolutely no degradation at all and it be just like they're sitting you know in our office here watching that the same thing so that was important because we we found that we just had a lot of gaps where things weren't going to work even though we're going to get it done in the end they weren't going to do what everybody thought they were going to do on the level they hoped to be done so now i'm really comfortable i think i aaron has done a phenomenal job with his team on the  network side they're actually getting very excited because they're seeing now starting to see what the results of all of this planning has been and again i think you know we we don't just buy we really do try to be very diligent on how we plan t process and while i could have just you know thrown cameras up and said oh hope it works type of thing but it wasn't going to be the right move and i think everybody would have been dissatisfied in the end so now you know now we're there and like i said we already have our quote kind of in hand right now so th the question will be whether or not we'll get the additional funding to do the access controls well katie's point if there is we want to do things the right way and if there is a way to accelerate doing it the right way what input do we have from our public safety officials or consultants or even now the school police officer as to how we can optimize out are they giving us any feedback or are even telling us hurry up you need to put this stuff  just because it's a good thing to have no i think they want it done right as well i mean they're very interested in an a and e s strong camera system that's out of network that works well for them but actually good to warsaw than just having cameras i mean we have cameras now our cameras now it's not it's not doesn't do them any good and it's and it really isn't you know at the level that you want to be at so i think you know what we're talking about again it is in court nation with what they have i mean i've actually been with the chief  on you know in discussions relative to what the charter school has done and what they accomplished in their renovation project cameras and stuff like that so you know we really have done a lot of work trying to determine the right way to approach this i know exactly what the chief wants as far as access into the systems and stuff i mean he's been very clear on that so again that that's what the system is designed around so i think overall i think we will meet that the everybody's needs that if you know we are able to get the funding to go this route again the camera side of it will will meet that the general needs you know but the the full controls and stuff like that again you have to understand even the police you know to get into our buildings without access control they're locked out seles every single one of those carrying a key they've got a problem so there's ways for us to work with them complete package and an approach we get more confidence in and sensible and again i think there will always i think there will be as time goes on in any of the buildings obviously smaller buildings much easier you know handful of cameras really covers every hot hallway within the broader taylor school but the when you look at buildings like the i go multi level multi lengths when you look at the high school obviously with wings just like the the middle school your camera systems tend to be a lot more sophisticated as far as where they have to be able to see and reach and you know again what you're trying to do is really understand the flow in the building with your camera systems are not trying to look into a classroom and see what's going a classroom what you're trying to see is if there is an event or an issue or even if there isn't if something happens in the village people have to move through hallways to get to anywhere so you really can kind of see what's going on and much of it if you set these up right you know all new cameras are ip cameras so they're all basically running off your networks so that's that was the reason the network became the biggest drawback force hard for me to believe that that doesn't end up taking up a ton of bandwidth but we get it now we've got to ten we have said this is a standard offering that we request each year as you can see we use fifteen buses for regular routes for many buses the you know basically what we've gotten into is about a ten year recycling of buses with about one hundred thousand miles so we've got the next two coming up about fifteen eighteen both a two thousand and five and both by the end of this year will will be in excess of one hundred thousand miles you can extend the garage do a great job keeping them up but they also are the ones who look at which ones with they feel that we need to do to maintain we do have about four full sized buses and two of the small buses that are basically ones that we keep in reserve and to be honest with you that's just about the right number because what they gives us is when we do have one or two breakdowns we obviously can still make our regular roads but in the springtime we use all buses to make it through all of our athletics and bands and movement and stuff of that nature on top of what we're trying to do so it has worked out well we keep the numbers right the same numbers but at but you know i know in the springtime or so often my transportation manager is looking at me like we're going to be moving so it is hard but i think the other side of it is and i made this  comment last year when this part of see if he came up in that is now that i've been really monitoring what the other districts are starting to pay in their new contracts for bus companies is hard as it may seem to believe the way the  maintained these but the bus system is actually now much more efficient than it is to go outside you know i've seen that the tears that the what they call a three tier which is your elementary middle school high school runs from an outside company being as much as twenty percent higher than what it's costing us all in the cluny mechanics including our depreciation on our equipment and everything else so you know it's not any anything that a district has walked away to and gone to a private contractor it's not something they can go back into because it's way too spen you know why that twenty buses overnight and start your process so i think we're fortunate that the town stay this way because i do know it's it's a much more cost effective thing and it does give us a tremendous amount of flexibility when it comes to the trips for the for the kids whether to sports tr or you know a program where they're going to a museum or something like that it's you know we have total flexibility because it's our vehicles and just a matter of having a driver that that's great and it's great to have our own people driving  required to have eight hours of professional development as well to keep their licenses so one of the events that the the principals have done basically is of his great because it it shows the connection between not only the school staff and the hendy the bus drivers but you know the respect for what they are doing with the children and your points one hundred percent right there is not a bus driver in our district that doesn't know the kids that are getting on that bus they that don't know that mothers and fathers that don't you know know when a kid is actually getting off at the wrong stop because again they've been so involved with the process and not that that doesn't happen when you when you outsource it but to be honest with you they you know it's the psni same face every day every year on the same route that it does make a difference so on the bus drivers also the first person you see when you start school last one who sees you and you're right when you and that's one of the points i was made by the answer was was that you know you really get the gauge of how the kids are going to go from today beginning of the day and you know at the end of the day on the day when something so it really is you know i think from from the towns perspective it probably was i'm sure there were years where it would have been cheaper to be outsourcing this process but that is definitely turned around at this point in time and and so i think we're if nothing were a little bit better off than the the other side but with a lot more flexibility i think it's that's speaks to the fact that that's been a great investment for our states and for the community as you were saying because we have we have our bus drivers who are invested invested in the line this year we have that there's a very large high volume copier here at the high school that really you know is the workhorse here although there are a number of other copiers and that one has just about three and a half million copies right now so what we're hoping to do is to try to finish the year off and then replace that one that's obviously treat us very well but we try to replace about four copiers a year and we've been able to keep the fleet relatively you know problem free obviously we have backups in every building so that that you know one going down doesn't really hurt us but is an expensive thing we've looked at leasing we've looked at a couple of the all other options on this and again because of our high volumes a lot of those programs don't work as well for you financially so you know at this point you know we still recommend the purchase side and randy has supported them as well and to be as we like when we do very well in the town  very large projects that come over here and use this just this particular machine to work on it with me and in the day to do all the budget books there's no other machines in town could do it so it's literally we've done for the last couple years that way but it works very well i think you remember that the project actually was overrunning what the original estimates were and so one of the options to do a cup that was at the time was to actually cover all of the tile throughout the building with the carpet fully you know  done all the time it can be done but not really one that's practical on elementary levels you know even the hallways were carpet in the beginning so they get pretty crappy pretty quick so a few years back to town did pay to take out the rest of that carpet and unfortunate when you take out the carpet now you're pulling up the tile which is especially when you have to both both have to be removed and disposed appropriately the one area that wasn't done was the media center because it is the one area that is appropriate to have carpet to keep the sound down and things like that and the carpet was in pretty good shape because it wasn't getting the wear that the hallways do in the classrooms you know now that carpet really is starting to unravel it's it's got you know where the carpet actually stretches and you get the kind of the waves in it so it's becoming unsafe you know and we know we have to replace it  take a look at that they gave us an estimate so their estimate is that about fifteen or sixteen thousand actually get rid of the a specified side of it you know and then remove it and then the ballots would be basically and re carpeting that area so for about thirty thousand dollars  it's something we have to know really at the beginning of summer that we can do it and just get it right done before so we're totally out there before school starts and have no issues that way so unless you think a safety issue i mean while it's definitely a carpet safety issue from a trip not have that now especially as in any tile is is is stable as long as you're not cutting and breaking it you know when it becomes fry a ball and becomes airborne that's when you know especially obviously any tile that's covered with carpet right  now has no issue at all because it presents no issue to any child because it doesn't come through the carpet it doesn't do anything like that so there is no there's no safety issue relative to the especially as it's just that the carpet is the safety issue and we go to take the carpet up it creates a second attack which is using both the balance of the high school funding as well as the n f l grant and some money raised by the term subgroup to actually get the program going and to do what we've done to date which is both the baseball fields in the back of the church field in the front we had broken the turf field in the front into a number of phases figuring that you know it would be something that the town could only afford to do over a number of years if and when they decided that they have the funding to be able to handle this he and we had different ways that we were looking at those phases and it turns out that the most practical way to get the most used out of the field is to get the lighting up next as the next phase as deficit she says she you know heard her dream is to have a full here you know on the campus and that would mean that obviously at some point to have the eight lane track go around that field and then eventually to have the bleachers that support using the field for more than just you know for using it for varsity level programs as well so but i think by breaking it down into into component pieces at least you're asking for more manageable chunks that can be generally done in a given year so we made comments about this and actually seeing burns's parents  you know have taken an active role on this and they have a friend that is the owner of one of the top commercial lighting companies in the country they actually just did the arab world complex and it's m lighting must go lighting is probably one of the best products on the market it comes with a twenty five year warranty including all the way down to the bulbs so they're literally has no maintenance no requirements and no anything for twenty five years and the  and what what was basically developed is that they would give the materials to the town of factual for a fifty percent discount or one hundred thousand dollars off the base price of all materials i went in and brought in national grid our town electricians actually jim developes i was at the meeting as well and to kind of work out to figure out the rest of the cost components here to actually do this phase might my best estimate right now is about one hundred sixty five thousand and i'm still trying to firm up some numbers because national grid hasn't gotten back to me yet on what their cost is to bring the power over to the field but you know i think at this point you know at that level of discount for the one of the best products on the mark if we can do this we'd be taking advantage you know on doing the lighting just like we took advantage of the n f l grant to get the turf field and so i hope to have much firmer numbers for you by the january twenty sixth vote but i wanted to get it in your hands as as i thought at this point as i said i think you know i think the burns have done a great job and really have presented something here that's very beneficial to the town long term it would give us a lot more use out of the fields because obviously spring and fall when it when it goes to being darker earlier we lose that access of time on the fields for whether it's you sports obviously most of the school sports are done you know during the day right after school so they're not missing the light but a lot of the additional use of this field is all of the athletics that are done through the use for its programs and it's everywhere but it's virtually every every version of sports is going to tell you so this would give that the additional capability that feel being used longer we've been maintaining it well it looks good it's been in good shape and it will continue to do that but again i think it is the next thing that we promised the people that when we when we put this together we didn't just bring it forward for the time to consideration so that's our i think in the fall we we came with a plan of the what's left so if we could move this forward to capital the next piece is the concession stand with the public restrooms and i'll be starting this month actually working with the athletic boosters to see if we can as a group up with a fundraising plan to get a good start in the concession stand and see what would go from there and then after that our next thing would be the eight lane track and then the bleachers so we have four more pieces this being number one you know just thinking ahead to the next step and i'm really glad this is here and i'm just thinking out loud but we've got some great contractors in town i wonder if we could acquire the materials if we might get some voluntary help to put things together  i mean i think we were very fortunate vers excess money i go play ground by getting those resources great example but i think i think you're right i think there are number of people within the community that when it comes to the the reason the concession stand is important to us is a you need exterior bathrooms ok so and we can't even put into liters without having those bathrooms available to us so it's kind of that's why it's in its step phase why where it is but also the the boosters cups do benefit by having that transaction stanfield so that any event that's going on or any sports thing that's going on when they can run that which is what they do currently over at the urn it's there you know i mean we do help maintain it but it is theirs to run and they get all of the proceeds from it and so i think they do have a vested interest in it so i thought you know when when deb write up the option here of doing something for a fundraiser it was the right thing to have them fund raise because at least they benefit from it so yeah it was bill's idea so i was thinking bleachers concession stand i thought that's a much better idea so be working with some some folks and doing that and i think i really have high hopes if we can pick off a lot of the concession on raising a lot of people come we have construction people in town we have  people who work on a lot of aspects of the concession stand actually of all the projects that one would probably bring people which i'm actually optimistic of the state built with the hundred thousand dollar discount which is marvelous and the hundred sixty five thousand dollars to mitt how high or lower can the hundred sixty five thousand go and is the hundred thousand dollars have a time limit on it in case it go over it and they are very committed to the cause but you know and they understood that this was all you know contingent upon i was getting funding to move forward so they know it's not you know it wasn't guaranteed and that's why they came up to help us try to get that number little bit firmer and go through the process the as i said you know of one hundred sixty five thousand one hundred thousand of it is just the cost of the of the materials from their side the fifty percent of materials from their side the sixty five thousand really is all of the we have to in order to put in the system it has for light towers which are eighteen feet in the ground three feet  wide they all come precast ready to go but you have to have the appropriate quipping to drill down and put all those then you have to trench around the entire field to bring the power two thousand back to a little substation type thing that we would at national grid to bring the power across and into the field itself so the sixty five is the only thing that's going to vary here but you know and we've been very successful using town equipment in town staff to and stuff like that so we'll do everything we can they obviously keep the cost out as low as we possibly can on this and get the job done right but you know there's not a lot now i've i've seen projects i believe the edible project just for the lighting side was in excess  three hundred thousand dollars so if we're capable of doing this for a hundred and sixty five have the same level of lighting that they were able to produce on theirs and again have all those warranties and controls this is a fully controlled system  comments or questions for bill just wanted to go back to the bus if i could then is there anything you need or want even for any special needs equipment or buses that we already have two big long yellow buses your traditional bus this time around that's that's really i ask but is there any additional equipment or features that need to go on our existing equipment that would optimize for any special needs of you know with last year or even need a whole new bus from the last year when the request had two full size and one of the thirty passenger buses which is what we do use for our special needs transportation we also use it for thing you know for the student body that we're trying to go so i we're very comfortable that the equipment is you know what it needs to be and the level we obviously is a very large bit spec that we used to buy any of these buses and hopefully incorporates everything that we need for you know the safety of every start the process the the real big issues the one that the two the probably keep tony and i wake at night you are the heating systems in the room ok problem with the heating system is that it's a pneumatic system which means a fully air pressure sensors for all of your thermostats it's not run by electricity so that means there's two running around the entire building and if you get a leak you know things just run wild on you but it's got to you know forty plus year old boilers in it which at any point in time can go they're not there at that age and level and when they do go you know it's it's we're done as far as that goes but when you replace the boilers on a building like that you're also going to have to go into every classroom to place all the unit and replace all the wiring that gets you there you're doing a lot of destructive work in order to accomplish that the roof as i've said before we could replace the roof we did do that to taylor a number of years ago a couple hundred thousand dollars and i think the taylor roof was probably two hundred fifty two hundred sixty thousand dollars when we did it but if i'm going to turn around and then have to start puncturing that roof for new plumbing vents and new heating things and stuff like that now i've got my all my warranty issues and all the other stuff they're going to go around that that they create problems once we get into those two items alone i think we trip the  requirements and now i've just opened up the entire can of worms so if i was going to do one of them and only do a part of that one it wouldn't be an efficient operation to do and i don't mean be doing it in an emergency situation you know i would not i personally would not recommend to the time that they spend the money get no reimbursement for it or little reimbursement for it and then still have all these other issues they still have to address in the building so i don't disagree i'm just trying to be creative and i'll tell you the the heating second so i'll invite him for that reason five to my mind is we're talking about our typical traditional like the buses are typical directional computer replacement and it just got me thinking about i pads and tablets and chrome books and a lot of districts are spending a lot if you will than that some of the smaller notebooks and i pad think so when you're going to get them on cards and are going to be moving around and stuff they are fully capable can do everything my laptop can do and more they are high powered as far as they're processing and stuff like that so we think that is our first venture into it to see exactly how this is going to work for us as a district you know is this the level of equipment we want and errol be the first one to tell you that's great you know that equipment maybe the right equipment on the high school and maybe even to the middle school but when you get into the elementary level that's where you might swing into something that's more along the lines of of an i pad style thing where it's touchscreen looks like that so all the products for element yeah we get there so i think a lot of district have tried to adopt a uniform thing and go out with the whole thing which we're not and it doesn't work correct versus going out with what is the right level for each of the curriculum levels that you're trying to develop so and i had to respond to that also i want i would think one of the good things that bill's done last couple of years is yes ip proposals used to say you know the traditional computer hardware replacement it no longer does so that item says computers slash hardware slash software slash network upgrades which gives us more it's the same amount but it gives us more flexibility so that if we did have a network or infrastructure surprise or need that that we can buy fewer devices and put it toward that so that kind of response to not just going to same old same old it we certainly haven't increased the requests but we've made it flexible enough that we can adjust to those needs which i think has given us a lot more leeway and in responding to the needs rather than saying well gee we you know wrote it so narrowly says you know traditionally placement of computers if no one hasn't been there for about three years since th here so i think that's been very helpful to us i'll be curious to hear his perspective when the time's right i'll invite him for the february two because that would we would want him here anyway for then we put a lot of emphasis on technology plan so probably time to  not they're going to invite us into the next step so i'm not even sure that we would need money you know for sixteen you know to even start the process of my doubt it would be necessary to force seventeen anyway but if they did come back in december and say ok you're in but you need to come up with x amount of dollars or whatever community  ok thank you bill and it's a good draft one of you as always if anyone has any questions about capital request or the regular budget between now and the next meeting please give us some lead time will provide you with the request for the change in the proposal can you bring forward to the next meeting what those two scenarios well you already have given us this one but the new scenario would look like just so yes the school committee members  around no you know you know but anyway i thought it was timely this year we've had full day kindergarten for seven years on this is our eighth year so it is and we're very pleased with that it's gone it's gone really really well the full day program has been very successful parents and families really like it they are fully invested in it we currently have about ninety percent of our students in full day kindergarten and we only have about ten percent about  students and they have to a program and the market interest if you will in the have to a program has shrunk to the point with that we now bus students from all three elementary schools to that one half day class that currently this year is at the i go and we usually look at where we where we're going to run them for either space or convenience or where the biggest population is so that's not the best way to do just this but we by law we must offer a free full a free  program so the free program is to have to a program and then obviously parents who want the the full day pay for the other half of the day and we're currently reeling caught running all the other classes full day programs families are eligible for free reduced jewish and based on the family income just as they would for the lunch program and anything else so we do have a lot of families that do participate in the free or reduced to asian rates so i provided you with information because i thought that this is the year that i didn't think i wanted to go forward in perpetuity saying well we wanted to issue based program that's the way it is that with no reconsideration i will say the numbers were different then i hoped i'll just say that right up front but just to give the the community a little bit of background  now seventy i'm sorry i said eighth time flies so when our seventh year of offering a tuition base for they can be gotten program if if we ran completely a free program where it's tuition free so the program we offer in foxborough is full day kindergarten period we call that universal free full day kindergarten which means free for all families so the be no jewish and there would be no sliding scale income for families that's just would be the program and if we ran our universal free full day kindergarten program we would not run any have to sections at all it would just be the program we offer which is common in many communities so just to give you an example that i gave you some some facts in the memo but out of all the communities in massachusetts two hundred sixty two communities have to wish in free fall they can about seventy nine offer to wish and based programs so we're actually are in the minority with this amy actually before the meeting went on and found some information and i'm just going to pass this around i'm sorry that is the only copy i have but these are enroll meant in full day kindergarten by city and town so if you see the dark dark darkest blue on the map of massachusetts that means that this those communities have between ninety and one hundred percent of the students in full day programs were not listed as one of those because last year only we put it ninety percent the next level blue is fifty even percent and then i'll pass this around with it and you can get that back to me all of the white communities on this map which are the majority are for tuition free in the garden in there are very few that just upset with you know them you pass it that way so community total well we usually say this is a little over three hundred but if you think about looking about things so in consideration of the elimination of the tuition there are really three factors that come into play our potential increase in chapter seven funding and that comes about because if you charge tuition for the second half of the day so let's say there's a student at the i go school and their families pay for the tuition but the second half of the day you only count that student as a half day in rolled student because if they're paying for the other half of the day they can't be counted in your moment because you're not supporting them through your public education funding so there is always a chapter seventy increase if it's full tuition free universal full day kindergarten in some communities what we've learned is some communities i'm just going to have to call it a windfall because based on the need in the community both in terms of poverty rate socio economic factors in the community percentage of students english language learners students for example that the counting of those extra students or their population is increased in urban area it can be in the hundreds of thousands of dollars so what i was hoping for is that we would have a significant increase in chapter seven the money which could help us eliminate the jewish and that was the real disappointing surprise is that bill worked closely with the people department of the department of revenue  are in what this would actually mean and disappointingly rather than hoping for close to one hundred thousand dollars or one hundred thousand dollars we're after seventy would only increase two thousand one hundred twenty five dollars which is i'll say it peanuts so that didn't that didn't tipped into our favor the other factors are additional salaries to convert the current have to a program to a full day so where we have a half kindergarten teacher and a half educational assistant we would need to increase those to full so it's a have teacher's salary and a half of an educational assistance salary and then obviously were if we eliminate tuition you don't have any revenues coming in through two ition collection so the chapter some of the funding increase is minimal we are not eligible for foundation aid so that's the technical term for how other communities fifty nine communities in the commonwealth are eligible for foundation which is a significant increase based on a population we're not one of them so that's a good in a bad news message i guess however as i started out by saying we don't have much market interest locally or in the state for a half day program we only have one thousand families are interested in it this year for their students and we are becoming seriously in the minority of communities who still will charge tuition and still offer that free have to program which is getting a little unwieldy i'll just say in every summer trying to decide which ones are going opt for the full and what you're going to stay with the half and how we're going to bus them around and get them to that one program so many families have their student their child go to kindergarten at a different school than they will for the remainder of the elementary years so it certainly is optimal if they could go to their do their neighborhood school in kindergarten and if they want to have to a free program they're not able to do so i do think that that's not educationally the best but the total cost unfortunately o eliminating the tuition is approximately three hundred forty five thousand dollars so it's much more than we thought we were hoping for i'm going to say somewhere in the one hundred twenty five hundred fifty thousand dollars range would be would have been an optimistic hope and that that may have resulted in more of an inclination to see if if that something that the community wanted to support but it didn't know but i still think it's a good discussion just every once in while i get asked and you may as committee members why do we still have to charge tuition in kindergarten so this is our this is the information we like to present for your discussion so you see if i understand it right to our existing budget correct almost three and i was going to say three hundred plus i think this is really interesting that about the tuition rates for full day kindergarten by city in town those that have it in there and those that don't and i mean sixty five school districts charge tuition for full day kindergarten as you said we are in the minority but obviously at a cost i'm sure for all the other communities that are and i think in the spirit of talking about the budget and the see ip you know this again is something that we're looking at but we're you know i thank you for doing this because i just think that it really spells out what we're doing and obviously this is a huge it would be a huge cost to the town and you know just not something that that really we can take on  district but it is still enormous size class and we don't know whether those reasons are financial or other there are lots of reasons that people may choose a half day kindergarten and having that option available chosen i like that we have an option you know for that reason however i know we haven't had kindergarten registration is coming up but if we were to have you know fifteen then it gets a lot less feasible it's not a look at nine or nine i'm just you probably are going to i don't want to be surprises you're going to be reaching a point very shortly with a number of families who are selecting have day are so low that it doesn't make any sense us and then we're really going to be stuck right now we've struggled the last couple of years to figure out where to put that one program or to figure out can we run just the one thing we can do think we must do to and it's it is becoming difficult and we could very well be in the single digits very soon because every every year than the interest last year we had to have two sections the interest in half day is i can use a we're doing doing is decreasing fairly rapidly dollars also translates to a lot of families who also might be able to afford day care like i'm looking at a map and looking at  without meaning to sound fresh pick up purple community write one that doesn't have it right the ten from the ten you know one of these what are these parents doing that you know we did it at my house we had to you know do a cost benefit analysis of does one of us stay home and work and not work but not have to pay daycare but any a little warm warm hearted kid that's in our kindergarten system is in the foxboro public school system which again this is terrific as opposed to just building lego towers all day or whatever they may do at lower level quality daycare centers i mean this is what is education not been quite the price tag yeah that it is i think i think that it is a community yes that and i think it is a benefit to families who don't have to struggle with that decision about can they afford it can they not what  fees or bussing fees or which we're so proud not to have in this town but we do have a full day kindergarten for i guess my point is the number doesn't scare the heck out of me it's something to consider but it's a big number it's educators as more time with children and that's what the whole day provides us the children we're fortunate we have an outstanding have to a teacher an assistant they have the same expectations for the end of the school year that their children are going to learn the same curriculum and be prepared for first grade much more challenging to do that i don't know if people shall have had conversations i have had you know some with families the reasons for have to it does vary for personal choice to financial but in my own personal finances i came from a district prior we you know influx where we do have a sliding scale as well where we do provide families based on their income level the opportunity to have that full tuition reduced to partial so for me that's something that's wonderful that we do provide our families you know with this be outstanding to provide all of our children with full day and have them the entire day without a doubt but it is nice to know that what we do currently offer those families that are in need that might be faced with the difficult situation we do have an avenue for them to pursue and i think that just like everything education is shifted so when my children were going to get an age the standard was ha the standard is now full day i think we have to be really cognizant the standard of education for kenya and programs is now full day program what drives that during the early education the investment in early education so even politically in the state there's so much conversation at the political level about providing universal preschool if you've been reading anything in the media the state a lot a lot of people at the policy level are very interested in providing this idea of universal full day universal free preschool to everybody so most of us superintendents is saying could you please help us get free full day kindergarten first we're not even there yet but there's a lot of interest at the political level and at the department of ed for early education and care and it's a whole department really education here the department of education so but even many organizations are now pushing for this idea of free universal early education for all knowing that a pays off in gains later in the student's education if you can get them early and educate them earlier so i think that your i'm not recommending is that is a big price tag but philosophically of course i would recommend it because it does become the standard of education for early for kindergarten certainly i personally am just has been for universal preschool i think we have all we can handle i would really think that's going to be interesting if that gets any legs at all and in the commonwealth but i do think that universal free day for the full day kindergarten is not unrealistic you can see the majority of communities in massachusetts two hundred sixty two this was last tuesday that do provide a free program so we are becoming the already we are not hitting the standard of a full you got a program and we probably are going to bump right heads against such a small number being interested that it's not a viable class i personally wouldn't want my child in a class of eight or nine students you don't have the education if you will the social education and all the other things that come of it in that level in that size of a class so i think we're going to be really challenged by that in the coming year or two which is why we spent some time doing this analysis i just disappointing that we're not going to get the assistance from state funding that could help us through this what if we considered moving towards the universal full day which seems to be the direction we're headed both in terms of numbers decreasing w know a one year big impact but we started to absorb it over time well our fee schedule right now is determined by the department of education their sliding scale fee is the one that we must use and it's very fair i will say i to asians only three thousand dollars many people get it free so it's it's actually quite a reasonable if you think about steve's point the cost of daycare if you weren't participating in the program it's actually a good value if you're for the dollar but i think i think if the committee could consider adding to the budget of either phase in what we would need to store up if you will for eliminating the fee which you carry us through a few in the the change years if you will i think that would be a great idea i don't know but how would reduce the tuition and then still keep the same sliding scale same recalculating both be as crazy but would that allow for a gradual impact to our budget and gradual benefit to our parents or with the state and i have a law works does the state with the state mandate what we have to charge oh no no no no that's that's totally destroyed right which is why it's different in every district right right and we've kept that really low we started it twenty five hundred dollars and we're now only up to three thousand dollars so we've actually kept our increases minimal over seven years yes i mean the majority of the street hundred fifty thousand dollars additional cost comes from the last two asian revenues so what if we just slow that but yet by the time we got to let's say we phased it which sounds like a great idea and we face it over four years some families would never get to ride the happy train because true the ticket was less costly those one thousand students being reabsorbed back into the three schools we would offer the appropriate number sections and it wouldn't you continue to go up so i d s i'm just trying to see if we would be if we would be just absorbing the cost of the half day kindergarten teacher in assistance or increasing it to another classroom we would probably still run the same number of sections and we don't know it going down well it depends where would propose this in our budget right now and i assume the committee feels and this is me asking we don't want to change what we're going forward on our current budget to impact this immediately and safe assumption i mean we've we've started down  can tell you if you in actual stories some people years ago chose this instead of another initiative for example another community back when we implemented foreign language in first grade you know back in those days chose not to do that and chose to do free universal can you got me instead so they were it instead many districts as a program had a choice based on the priorities of the community and what would benefit families the most given that community at the time so that's how a lot of districts have done it just said it's the educational value of it and they just find a way to do it and put it in the budget and it did add to the budget others are eligible for more aid so it made the transition much easier to do in fact sherburne norwood randall but the ones that are similar to us are the nortons mansfield read them sharon well unless someone wants to make a motion tonight i think this is one of those where we've got information we can think about it obviously there's some work on bill's part if we try to bring this into this year but i think we could consider it  and start to work on it doesn't doesn't get us any closer for sure but i won't be making a motion in the system myself but the numbers that we have in front of us are there any other is around this is the number by and large yes this is the number very close but why don't we table it to the next meeting and we may get some input from some of the families we may not but unless there's any more input the principals want to offer appreciating our staying out tonight or any other thoughts you guys have that we haven't articulated now i think it is and i appreciate the conversation because i think it's it is an educational dilemma because it's very clear that all communities are we moving toward that this might not be something you want to be the last on and i think it's prudent for the committee and for us as industry team to be looking towards what would it take it is complicated what would it take to i like the idea of maybe a move toward because i think we're we're we're getting to the point where no one really wants to have a new one nor is i mean we all say it's nice to have choice of everything but back in the day at the choice of even going to kindergarten and i just think that education has certainly progressed enough that it really isn't about which which the families prefer it really is is that the gold not even the gold standard just the regular old standard for early education and i think we have to really figure out what we can do about it you know just as a segue to our next topic which is the calendar second discussion one advantage of not taking action to share but putting out a direction is that our family seem to appreciate a little lead time in these decisions so that might be a reason to so that's one thing is there an upside to if this were true go forward sooner than later our increase m and you didn't watch the last school committee meeting where you didn't read the article in the local media about it reporter next year's labor day falls the latest it could possibly fall in the history of time actually since this is the rock of ages to so labor day next year is september seventh and so if we kept with our traditional calendar which is option one in the school for the packet we're calling the option one traditional calendar where foxborough most years although you saw from what i gave you last time that doesn't mean it's happened every time the most often and we have students return on the tuesday after labor day which wouldn't be until september eighth so that would mean staff returns for three days before labor day as we have been doing traditionally students return the tuesday after labor day september eighth unfortunately  last day of school with no snow or weather days to june twenty two and with the five snow days it would bring us to june twenty ninth so the way labor day falls next year is the problem that many days through possibly june twenty ninth is not appealing to anyone so the the other reason that we're concerned about this in the ministry of team to discuss this just before the winter break and the ministry team is not in favor of the just to put it out there not in favor of the traditional calendar because we we're the educators and as a superintendent speak for myself i think it's up to it's really up to us to speak about what's more educationally advantageous for students and when we think about all the things we've been discussing at this table the high stakes testing is coming up the park and wasim you to speak to at the park assessments coming up in march in may the end cast tests still at the high school as a graduation requirement march and may and the students who take so many a p courses now we have hundreds of students taking a p courses and those a p exams are given in the spring according to the a p college board organization and the more school days we get in before those high stakes exam the better position we're putting the students and whether it's park whether it's a castle whether it's a p tests and if we go with additional calendar and it's so late at the end of the school year all of your days after those high stakes testing are almost for naught i mean to keep coming to school and friends but it really isn't the most educationally evan just approach so given that it was a complicated calendar thing that's yes i'm sorry to interrupt you know go let's just let's just reiterate that sure because i think that's part of the discussion that didn't come out in our first i'm going which i really really really think it's important the public understands which is we all like to have our through labor day off of course the downside of course in our buildings in mid to late june and the kids are less focused but i think what's what i'm really grappling with is the fact that we lose instructional time needed to prepare our students for these tests which have an impact on their future yes so i think it's we need the public to understand that tradeoff as a parent i'm wrestling with that tradeoff but to me the single most important thing that needs to come out of tonight's discussion is for the public to understand it's not just a question of when are you going to start it's about instructional preparation time for these important tests yes very well said i think that should be drives really truly everything that we're doing and while we're being fiscally responsible so i i think that you know i would be very concerned about putting those students in a position where they didn't receive the most instruction that they could to be successful in some and some like these have far reaching implications this is not just a particular you know one just has it's really has an impact and it doesn't i mean it's not a feel good thought when parents are thinking what do you mean we're going to you know kids michael back before labor day it's not a feel good moment to that i was a parent we had children we love going keeping them through labor day in the summer but i was looking back on this starting dates historically that we gave you at the last meeting and i was thinking i wonder what would happen with my kids growing up so i look back at the first year i would have experienced that late labor day in ninety two ninety three i hadn't date myself which is quite open and we went back after labor day that year and then the next time it happened ninety eight ninety nine children is still in school and we went back before labor day and i honestly don't even remember that my kids were in high school i don't remember that so if it really it it wasn't a big event in our lives as parents we just went with the school calendar the school so that's when you going back and we went back and i honestly don't even remember it and i had two high school students then and it was not a memorable occasion so i think it can feel like an emotional thing but i'm not so sure that it would be and then then the on the other end if we were to start before labor day it might feel good in the moment for a lot of families but when you get to spring and kids are facing those exams and the high stakes nature of it and the thought that the students have to stay engaged chilled possibly june twenty ninth at that point i think a lot of people would be wondering why we start so late so i think it's on us to consider all of these things and as a superintendent it is my job to speak to what's most educationally haven't ages having said that our teachers association is meeting a week from today and they do contractually must be offered calendar options and they consider the calendar and there's been some conversations with them going on and their meeting is week from today so once they've been able to consider these options i certainly will pass it right on to the committee about what their views are on the different options but it's inappropriate to discuss the temperature on that right now well i don't know the chamfer joy of it right now but i do i would i would say  that i would say that what i heard of the last meeting when when we're looking at option two which doesn't seem to gain a lot and puts people back believe it i don't that isn't anecdotally it doesn't seem to be a lot of interest in option two so i'm just guessing that the most interest is either an option one which is the traditional late late late start late late later and option three which is in the pink which is the the students the staff would return on august twenty fifth which is almost exactly what happened this year so when you look calendar what feels like the earliest oh my goodness were returning so early is when you just look at the calendar and forget about when labor day is exactly what happened this year where staff would return on the last tuesday of august which they always do and students would start on september first the tuesday after the staff starts as they always do it's just that we have to wait for labor day but well under the calendar dates though we've never the community just chose to to go with the earlier start and i don't i don't recall it as significant door ever in any way so i think that's that's where the the dilemma lies and that that third option which is the students returning in the tuesday before labor day would be in school on the seventeenth with the five stories built in the last possible day would be june twenty fourth we're not looking for a vote tonight because we know we need to hear back from the teachers yes i have heard from exactly seven people four from one i've heard from farai so my seven people four were four after labor day and three were for definitely before labor day and of the four that the thought after labor day once more information was provided about when athletics actually would start up which actually is august twenty seven speak to how many days before labor day so athletics is not going to start up until august twenty seventh anyway you know the double sessions and all that practice so ethics actually doesn't impact this choice of anybody's wondering about that and so the  so one of the four that's definitely don't come back before labor day once that information was provided is probably a neutral so i would say of where we're fifty fifty but very few people i've heard from not me  so i'm glad we don't vote tonight but i would you know i'm never bashful offer my opinion i think the more i've thought about it i is much as i'd love to stay out through labor day i worry about the kids who will be impacted by those tests to me ultimately that's as of today the decisive factor so i still personally lean right at the moment towards option three come back on the tuesday i appreciate a very that you brought this up i guess this is roughly the time we talk about countering the past but i know you've tried to bring this up as early as possible and you saw this coming and that's why you wanted to get it on the agenda and it's standard boilerplate i usually don't rant to the second meeting in january but this is the dilemma now i think you did the right thing getting it to us as quickly as possible just unfortunate some people already have some plans but you know we've got to do what's right i guess thinking out loud we've got to do what's right for the community as a whole i think that's our job so  do you think i have a question do you think that i know we talked about you know the ability to get some of the administrative the paperwork stuff done and get the syllabus is handed out to the kids and then hit the ground but if people already have vacation plans in there could be you know people say it's three days i don't think it goes our teacher is going to do that with the kids that are in class and then have to go back over this stuff will be wasted you know the following  happens more than you think i have a say to tina's point with there would there be an ability to have any flexibility for families stuck let me rewind i went and took my kids out of school about five weeks ago to go to disney world because i want to and i had to go and i felt awful my kids with the calendar people shouldn't assume they know what the calendar is that's a real mistake to assume they know what the school calendar is going to be especially so far ahead i mean we we gave this really early other school districts don't do that calendar february or march actually i asked around a few and some people who were really late so i don't i think it's a mistake to assume that you know with the calendar this second similar with snow days exactly now that discussion all the time if the calendar builds in the snow days whether you're a staff member or a parent you should assume that a snow days might be used and it's a part of the official calendar and you should can you should consider those days school days so i think that's mistake number one to assume that there's a some kind of calendar when there isn't a calendar that the committee hasn't voted as the are an approved so that's number one number two i don't think the i think that whenever families choose to be away when it's an official school day our teachers a very accommodating they will going through it they are always very calming weather across the middle year the be any of the year the end of the year or whenever it is and they're not expected to repeat everything but they certainly do due diligence in making sure that the student is not at a disadvantage because of a family's either choice or mandate you know whatever's going on with the family that it certainly is not the child's responsibility and so our teachers are really good about that so i don't think we need to have any formal how we going to deal with this because it happens all the time and they deal with it on a regular basis as you experience only to be disappoint you were disappointed all anyone asked but i think our teachers are very good about accommodating any type of family thing i think our teachers are wonderful about accommodating that sort of thing but we just approved a new absenteeism policy that would if a family was out for a week because they had a planned vacation you know with their child misses five days they're going to get a fifty nine don't know but i don't think you can possibly know what every single one of the twenty seven two thousand and fifty kids families should have for plans in the two weeks leading up to this and i certainly don't think you could make any kind of choice that's going to accommodate all those people and in many cases there are families who pay for summer daycare that we say why are we starting school early or why you know i'm so i think that you would honestly see a mix of people who would be both police and horrified no matter what you decide so i i do think that's why i speak to what i think is most educationally and haven't a just because otherwise you can't possibly understand or make every family you know make make  though you know i my concern is go back more years you know not just this year when labor day is particularly late there was an effort i think in two thousand and eleven to look at changing permanent changing the school start date as opposed to just for this one one occurrence so i do think the committee should think through that as part of decisions being made on this particular topic and really be clear with yourselves and  with the town and whether with the decision be made for this one calendar only or really more of a permanent shift that you're recommending for the town and that frankly you know while not a native american myself that's  so i'd like to make sure folks think about you know make sure that it is made it's truly only made what you really consider whether you're making a permanent change to the to you know for a new traditional opinion and being willing to sit at the table and wait for this topic so thank you and the point of permanence so far in this discussion last meeting in this meeting there has been no discussion or indication whatsoever this being a permanent effect it's been very much just a occasion of the calendar giving us a tough choice but i appreciate your point and you're right i think any decision we make we have to think about is it one time one time president setting but for clara unless someone wants to correct my memory this is a one time discussion i think you correct bruce i don't think anybody's brought that up and also to give credit and i met with mr during directly actually  we sat at my kitchen table recently because he he reached out and and we met  we are student focused period end of sentence and we're trying to we're trying to work with this and i think you and i had this discussion that this was not from what i know what us bless you it's hard because we're a small enough community and a caring enough community that we want to make a decision places everyone you know what i'm struck by is i suspect in most districts this is not an emotional topic this is what's the school calendar this is the options ok we're going with this one all in favor and we move on so we this may be an instance where we have to take a similar approach at the end of the day i think we're still in the hearing out stage but i don't know that the school calendar and this may be supports the point you made a minute ago i'm not sure the school calendar is designed to be an emotional decision or a family by family decision right i think it's a decision we probably will have to take as a committee in terms of what's best for the majority whenever that yes i agree and i think that if communities did struggle with starting before labor day it happened at least ten years ago because i do think you know most districts do start before labor day so if they ever did that have that emotional time about moving school earlier it happened so long ago that it's a distant memory now the calendar is the calendar i think for us we and i personally as a as a mom loved it you know it was an educator i loved you know going through labor day state you know keeping summer through labor day but it may not be if it may not be feasible all the time and it may not be feasible this year so i think that that's that's part of we've kept with that tradition for so long that it might feel emotional to a lot of people but it's standard operating procedure most other places to go back to before labor day so i think once again it's something we've hung on to but it's one thing that we may not always be able to do without thought of what's the educational advantages or disadvantages you know one thing we might be able to do i agree with the thought steve had in the response you had about do we need to put in place a program or something i think having the principals chime in a little bit on this as they did so i'm not sure we need a program necessarily for those who this will impact but what we could do to actually i think you know to team is idea or comment about our new policy about absences i mean we could we do govern policy as the school committee we could ask if we could exempt that policy for the first quarter the first of the school year potential in but isn't that a state mandated now that's a state where you know our high school absentee policy at fifty nine  you get a letter home and you know this you know i say well you're flat out one we could try to make it there you know but i think we i think that's an hour that's worth a few questions and i think we should just be very cautious about that this is a policy that excepted it not say we shouldn't look at it but we open a door with one policy and all of our other policy it's before it's even implemented because it's actually starting the second semester which is the end of january so the principal said she the policy allows our principal to give a lot of discretion so she used her discretion wisely not just an idea on my part to try to help a little bit i don't know if it's the right one i'm not but something we can think o point so is your point that even if we start from one of the earlier options but those from us that are going to be able to make a catch up you know too much and the teachers are like let's say like a box very  at the beginning of the year i was sick and missed a week of school and they were able to like help me get back on like easily like without a problem because i stayed after they gave me the work and i ask for work and if you're missing these days you can always ask and then they'll easily  i a senior too so obviously i want to offer one but that's not an option three is for say you know you know what's really great is your example is is wonderful because it shows that while you are really exemplary student it does show that she is not unlike other students in that they take responsibility for their yeah yeah responsibilities they work themselves so you don't necessarily japan to do it you you really figure out what you need to do and we need  what working need to make up and that is really the way our high school students are is they they own their own personal responsibility and they are on their way to running their own lives and they do so quite well by school so i think that example is really what i see every day with kids saying i know  yes because that we need to know what the next meeting because in the high school needs the semester ending date so they can as the students through the course selection that their their schedule start being created with the timelines imbedded in our next meeting is two weeks from today it's the writing so it's three weeks from today so that will give you plenty of pondering time and then i will need a vote on the twenty six yes she will have a vote we need to and we can still take feedback we still decision because fifty percent of people would be upset and it's going to take this hard and then the other fifty percent the other way would be a sense of this is one i'm i'm sure happy to have a committee educational collaborative i'm going to make up some time here so the by co educational collaborative if you look at the package you voted in agreement of the five go collaborative agreement which is pretty much the way it looks now but what has happened since you voted and there are seventeen member districts so this has to go back to all seventeen member districts because two things happened somerset public schools withdrew from the bank go collaborative so the agreement  longer have somerset listed as a member district and then the law our governing educational collaboratives actually says that each school committee could appoint the superintendent would you do or a school could be member to serve as its representative on the buy county collaborative board of directors we don't know the last meeting we had and we don't necessarily think anybody's going to do that but that's what the law says so there was a  school committee that pointed that out and said that if the wording in this in the collaborative agreement must reflect the law which says you can appoint either or and this obviously is one of those things if any of you want to serve on it i would ha so anyway so that is what the law says so this new collaborative agreement is the same of the old with the elimination of somerset as a member district and with the addition of the language that you see  or school committee members just service representative and so this this agreement has to be revoted and brought back to the collaborative so if you revoke an approved list tonight and i need the signature on my each member district with a quarterly update usually i highlight like one or two things that might be in the update but i don't really think is there anything that i need to highlight that's the that vastly different they are currently in rolling one hundred ninety two students and as a side note if you looked at the informational matters by the bye go collaborative provided us with an annual report for the first time and if you looked at that it's titled the by ninety two students of the baikal collaborative we only sent three students so that really struck me because that speaks to the strength of the programs that we have in house they were able to educate many more students here in our schools which i firmly believe in that kids have a right to go to the neighborhood schools if they have a disability that requires a special program so we only have three kids currently attending might go so while the bike local aberrated is wonderful and it's very well run and the programs are excellent the it is the next door to placement if we can't offer those programs but we do offer some really robust special education programs and that's why our kids stay here so i just wanted to point  that's it for the donation we do this is an anonymous donation of five hundred dollars to the preschool program it is from a foundation but they wish to remain anonymous and so i would ask that the school committee accept an anonymous donation from a foundation of five hundred dollars to our preschool program to be used as they wish so it's unconditional it is a motion to accept with gratitude  you other matters i just want to point out in your in your other matters are informational matters the american sign language honor society has a total of twenty three fox one high school students have been honored by they're going to be honored on january seventh at seven o'clock p m in the auditorium of fox ok school and we have twenty three students who are candidates for fractured that somehow but in bev's are you would be very upset if i didn't actually say the name and then we have thirty five high school students eligible for membership in the spanish honor society which is the society that hispanic more or less ever take less more than more well that's for all the organizations and students do you have any idea how long that ceremony will will be i don't know if there's like any crackers and cheese afterwards or anything because i'm wondering if our folks broke cable would maybe cover it that's just it's an impressive group of people doing you know really interesting things and it really is and you know i think concert series on sunday at two pm only the left so isn't that wonder i think that's great they're a great choir should be in the patriots playing on saturdays people should be available time to go information night or part and then a roll from six thirty seven fifteen it's a busy night with the national honor society of language as well i think the seventh grade the that's thursday night is the eight in the twenty six oh yes you know it's the that's on the second of every second it's that we we had a meeting today about global education and international students and it went really well this afternoon so i expect on the