deprecation service and there have been a substantial snowfall of about eleven or twelve inches on the first of december and says and perform snow removal services on the first second for mrs degree would fall off for that there was no precipitation between she also returned to the parking lot in the afternoon around three o'clock three thirty first letter telephone and the business of the hospital was done around seven pm and after dark when she returned to a car she had her mother drive her from a comparatively more clear part of the parking lot to the area right behind her vehicle and she blocked the steps between her car the driver's door about where she thought it was injured according to sens description of how they perform the snow removal services they would allow him to and in remove all accumulation happening in other words what are you going to do have some of them out wow everybody that walks through because you go to grover's you're going to have as a snow melts you're going here you got more water by the green beans than by the cereal and  she did but i would say that it's possible that he she was very different from three o'clock to seven o'clock it's colder at seven o'clock it's dark or it's hot so i'm not sure even though this is an obvious hazard or that she knew what she was going to encounter was the to proceed planning behind the cars the sump pump banks some amount of banks know from behind bars which is not actually where the accident occurred between the cars next to the driver side door of this car fact that this thing created and a national accumulation there they came forward with nothing other than the idea that banks know behind a car may somehow have gotten x five percent or three a hazardous condition that's not enough it's speculation that contract there's nowhere in that contract that has any terms having go into whether or not you know there was going to be removal of snow working malaysian between those cars and there's testimony from cd ages manager there was no condition obviously the back creating a natural condition by not performing a service there whether they're aggregating one again there there's no duty to to go between those cars and create that is it is it reasonably practical i think you've discussed that this morning how how is the reason the practical for them to do that there's been no evidence at the trial court level that there was a practical way for them to achieve this removal of snow between so i would go for it again with regard to this a national accumulation argument that there was no evidence of how much snow was between those two cars how much snow was there behind the cars whether there was no base behind this car there was no evidence that one way or another  there's the mining based on the standard practice that there was some amount of snow being behind this particular car that it was pushed next to the driver side door of this car and then that's what she are at this point the trial for it looked at this exact same there that simply no evidence to support so to the effect that that makes a logical leap that you know these events actually did occur and that that would that area should the natural accumulation i think  d as to the nazir that was purportedly behind the car at the time the accident or next to the door and that you know under the terms of the agreement everything was performed as it should have been performed so i believe that our position machine the hospital's emergency room by its very nature that emergency room is open twenty four hours a day seven days a week fifty two weeks a year there is never ever going to be a time a snow falls at a time when that lot of you have cars people come in for treatment through that emergency room when they may very well when the unit made it to the hospital their cars could be sitting there for days  because there's always a nurse there there is no possibility of us removing all the snow from that line in the law doesn't require us to do that requires us to make a real doesn't even require us to make reasonable effort but the shovel in it and move it so now they say that i'm just curious what's the difference show that there wasn't much change in the weather with the people she fell on the floor mr de groot returned to take insurers four days later and he actually found her in the exact spot where he had moved this is the group's car from when the planes turn temperature liquid to squash it cetera and when you drive a car if the tires displace that off to the side and their cars go on some frequency they do