from the commercial zoning district and that's the only thing we have on our agenda except that we have minutes to approve of the previous meeting so that's what was best we have on the agenda for the public part of the  meeting so i want to remind everyone that we run the will run this meeting consistent with our rules of procedure and i'll walk you through everything as we go through it so you don't need to have them in front of you but if you wanted copies of the rules of procedure at some point you can get them from jan so at this point i want to ask the members of the board if there is if they need to disclose any conflicts of interest or any ex parte communication  e ok thank you at this point i need to explain about the interested persons rules so only statutory statutorily defined interested persons can appeal a decision of the d or b and so i just want to explain what interested persons status means interested persons are those who want to vermont law have the right to appeal an actor decision of the jericho zoning administrator or the d r be interested person department and administrative subdivision of the state owning property within the ms about and the agency of commerce and community development let's see so and only as i think i said before only statutory defined as to persons may appeal a decision of his own office or a d r b if an interested person fails to make a timely appeal they are bound by the officer of the or b s decision or act and then one last thing pursuant to state statute participation consists of offering through oral or written testimony evidence or a statement of concern related to the subject of the proceeding if there were to be an appeal we don't make a decision on a decision on interested party status now we part of an appeal but we have a responsibility to know who participated so we keep notes thank you many but also we're going to send a sign of shootaround maybe on its way so if you're here tonight and especially if you want to participate please sign up so we know you are here ok that's the interested persons business because this is a cause i do dish will hearing anyone who intends to speak has to be sworn in so what i'll do is read the oath and you can just say i do i hereby swear that the evidence i give in the cause under consideration shall be the whole truth and nothing but the truth of the pains and penalties of perjury thank you ok so let's just start one of the up when you come up and review the application ok we'll try to transcend the counting station very near the project driveway so that's where we got the overall traffic fifteen from the town or the one verse and you adverse effect on the traffic in the highways requirements filling height requirements deal with and on that no effort and time on renewable energy resources there really aren't any in the we're not with in the river and that's going to be on the and that you and the sidewalk that now goes in front of the building energy conservation screen to screen the building through the parking from traffic approaching the building from the west there are some shrubs right in front of the parking lot as well as crack those are shown in the plan and another good illustration of the landscaping is his on the front view of the property shows the point by point analysis and it gives it also gives the averages but again i'll cut off downcast lighting and kept within within the property boundaries true the section that requires that the place underground the possible on our site plan we are showing an overhead electric lines right here from this pole however zoning regulations on site utilities are the two five hundred gallons propane things that are shown up in this area next to the dumpster and those will be underground as well i think there was a comment by of those those principles in the storm where the sign this project doesn't create any structures that would create a dangerous injurious noxious or otherwise objectionable condition and again we covered this a little bit and the congressional approval we're not going to be stor so that's the end of that presentation there's anything else i think we should look at the signs and talk about those we're proposing the on the buildings will be the dollar general channel letters illuminated and this dimension is approximately twenty four square feet so we are requesting a variance or a waiver to the requirement that the second line on the site where really isn't the little little tree from the room in that direction the facilities will be on the side of the building is the beginning of the memo just talks generally about you know what is involved in a conditional use review and it just reminds you that this parcel is in the well head protection overlay district for the  it's well head protection yes to forgive me i didn't intend to present anything here tonight so i think we should just go ahead and skip on it for it would be good to revisit the correspondence section at some point because there was correspondence received but outside of the hearing so we'll need your permission if you want to accept testimony or not so in will have protection too if the law covers more than fifty monitoring required of petroleum tanks is really a problem in this situation i'm sure because a lot of protection would be adequate the next section in the regulations is science so the regulations were true science per property in the commercial district the first one can measure up to thirty two square feet and a second sign can measure up to six square feet and a square foot is the sign is either the face of a pedestal type sign or a rectangle drawn around signs like those letters on the side of the building  in this case they've proposed two signs one is about twenty four square foot and the other one would be between twenty and twenty four square foot for the the letters on the building so they would need a waiver for the sign requirements and you know it's it's for you to judge but i mean think about it in the commercial district once i would be six square feet one would be thirty two square feet i guess i need to think about that's reasonable i talk to the zoning administrators and he's he's willing to  go along with a waiver if you suggest a waiver it's a separate permitting process with him so he agreed to defer to your authority on that subject moving on to section eleven roads and a if it's a plan were to be approved tonight the word substantially change that and they would have to come back in front of you again to have it looked at again alternatively you might decide to keep the hearing open until you got that information from the trans it's your choice which and you might choose to have that study peer reviewed by an engineer you might choose to have the stormwater peer reviewed by an engineer and if you put them both together i talked to another engineer who could give you a reasonable price for it and that would be a cost that you could works access i'm not going to say much about access because it's related to those the the traffic impact report and the trans permit you know that will speak to it much more intelligently than i could parking lot in circulation they have the right number of spaces  and i guess at this point is a good time to draw your attention to the letter submitted today by the under fire department i tried to copy you guys just here when you walked in see probably haven't had a chance to read it her fire department writes we would prefer to see paved access to at least three sides of the building the plans as drawn show paved access in only two sides if you desire not to do to not change the plans to have a third side of paid access then we would request you around three hundred sixty degree cleared access around the building this would allow access to those additional size into the a j c equipment should there be an issue with it so that's a that's worth discussing and keep in mind if you increase your impervious area by paving another side then you'll be over that fifty percent threshold i just reiterated that the regulations with regard to pedestrian facilities the do therapy has a lot of a lot of leeway in terms of requiring curbs sidewalks things like that that's at your discretion and it shows the septic system just outside the hundred foot well protection zone for the lutheran church well but outside so then we can to landscaping so we didn't have any ballpark i guess in terms of where they price out the landscaping they did not have the tree words look at the landscape and plan i can do that if you want me to if you want to know how he feels about the trees along the road  there's no screening shown between the dollar general and the castle cemetery which i thought i remembered from the sketch plan but i haven't confirmed that in the minutes there's actually provisions  basically basically their task force you know recommended ellie ellie delighting and i do believe from talking to math that's a possibility so we should discuss that because it didn't come up in the presentation u the argument that because it's on curved area that that in itself constitutes a lady principle so i don't have any opinion on this stuff you've shown us and i was trying to get an idea in the context of whether that's higher or lower with respect to the to the bank in the shape of the bank of the driveway it's really hard to see on just the p all of this is all these details are really important and i didn't spend as of yet i can't get a good picture for good rendering of what you're actually proposing because there are several different groups here you know these things don't agree with each other route let me bring up while we're talking about that this the sightlines scandal draft one of the things that came up at sketch one is the access to the cemetery and the s the access between the edge of the gravel driveway and the cemetery right here so there is a way into the cemetery where an existing easement and they are not going to be changing can you speak to the you're saying that the building has been shifted over since or the building has been shifted while i just under twenty feet right i guess we want to create a balance and that if there is a building on this site probably the best place to have a building would be sort of in front of the cemetery as you're standing looking straight back at the cemetery that way when you're driving from the west and from the east you can see the cemetery a very rarely are you looking out the window straight over your shoulder so having it kind of centered allows you to have this view behind coming from  david gives us the forty two way or the rules the rules are there so i mean i don't think there are there are some procedures for dimensional waivers that have some specific criteria that don't apply to this and i'm familiar with there's never want to see another fire anywhere ever but this building there's no code that requires it to be sprinkled i mean it's one story it doesn't have any real safety problems as people or as people getting our sleeping at it that you would feel i think that we have to look at the point plan to try to get an idea of what the actual impact is and i wonder if there's a way to shift that is to change the design of just say the position of the impact is you're going to leave the building up twenty four seven the question is is that impact is the reason for that is if acacias isn't actually increasing curity i mean i'm i'm not letting expert but i know something about it and i know there is a lot of debate as to clearly there are some changes to the site plan that we've already talked about right here and utilities and field events so i suspect we're not going to conclude tell night so you know it's was just one of the questions about the  yeah that's exactly what i was told what i pointed out and i'll i'll just say that at least in other towns that i've been in police officers like light when they go investigating a report or somebody walking around either residence for business so as a matter keep track of these things so it may not be the kind of thing that you get testimony on it may just be a question of common sense to some extent but i would say if you want to get a firsthand opinion see what your police officer would think about moving there at one cross or driveway and second if you considered accessing the pole in the back in front of the cemetery where it would not need to go coming out until ten o'clock at night my home has been there a long time because with that farm we're residential and the way it's showing as my house goes under those trees and when i was looking at the flags that are out there today i can't quite tell what is the acce nothing's been discussed if you look at this one and what the white house around there is a significant amount of t originally hearing this is a historic cemetery it contains the founders of jericho brown family access to this is important to the town  the history of jericho i have not heard any significant explanation of what is happening to this access and how will that be resolved in the future of this plan process and i would like to know about certainly all this excavation is cutting off the present access to the cemetery and i need to understand it would like to know oh that's  what happens to storm water and twenty five year fifty year event occurs and you're allowing or you're beginning to go through a permit process for one development and you have no idea what's going on after that but yet you're being asked to create the access for all that future development behind it so i think th to this dance but this isn't what i want my town i don't want to dollar general my town this isn't how i'm not against development i'm not against providing jobs and money against providing some stuff that makes it affordable little jericho this isn't what i want my town and i my sense is that i need to kind of just love it but i believe there are a lots and lots and lots and lots and lots of people in town who don't want this i said my wife of the things that came up at the previous hearing in the house from the mine was the possibility of painting this planet as it's laid out in flipping it doing a mirror image so the building is on the western side of the law the comments that i've heard the development of that has taken place around that area in the past i'm wondering if one of the things that the board should consider doing as soon as this goes forward is to require some sort of a bond to be posted by the developer for done from which example you know there's already one pole that's going to get moved to do the driveway not sure about what else what else is possible you're going to have to make a specific proposal obviously about where it's going to go but the comments to you are there is already an existing overhead power line adjacent and there's a whole back near the cemetery and i'm not again i'm not sure where this high voltage and where's the borders and such but that's the comment so you'll have to come back you know i know you're planning on coming back without with a proposal for where the barrier to tories would be rooted in the comment from the public was that  obvious place to put it the obvious straight line from the existing pool to this building crosses the existing driveway of the neighbor so that's problematic ok so that was just a comment to  is access and protection from a fire protection standpoint if there is a leap how does the fire department compared propane tank and if there's a leak is that a groundwater issue or not with propane versus a fuel can you can testimony that's necessary in during the hearing it's become apparent in talking about this that that's not the case that what will so we'll talk about that soon this was i think it was to your i think what you're suggesting is that we continue so your chance to between the existing gravel driveway for the church and the cemetery and the landowner has agreed with the church to help in that endeavor there couple of trees creating it out so that you can get a long tractor up into the corner of the cemetery there was also a question about are there any rules about  between myself and the pal the cemetery commission anything else the land belongs to either myself or the town i'm in full cooperation with the town in discussing the required to treat and to treat the water only volume which is based on the one year two point one storm which we do we're required to comply with the groundwater recharge so forever for every square foot impervious we have to recharge a certain amount of water through infiltration which we do and that is dead as far as the states from water is required  we just show the total write off after the twenty five year storm is two point eight cubic feet per second and that the structure that we are proposing which is the culvert underneath the driveway has the but mine recently has been the bonds are extremely difficult to get these days after the recession they're quite expensive so if you're concerned about unfortunate i'd like to try to come up with something that works as well but it's not that kind of mechanism usually here not just right up out of the three year for dollars level it's five days higher outside landscapers anyway to make sure that everything still stays up typically what i would suggest for something like that is when you present you a contract with a landscaper for a three yeah right so you can yeah usually on when we work with the power company will will rather landscaping planned by them just to make sure that we're out of there they're zone and if they have any comments on on it we can we can  other people did not have a few more questions safe we didn't really address section eleven three of the restroom facilities you mentioned it briefly can said that the only thing that you saw that was roll over was getting from the parking lot of the building which i frankly find it absurd on that score and with make sense of that to make sure that there are features in the same plan to be able to get from the public right away to the store in a safe manner i just i don't see any sidewalk or or any real  wondering whether that regulation makes more sense than the area that already has the best green for structure when the only concern i have this having driven a fifteen is for three or four years or something store will show a sidewalk but i worry whether that makes a lot of sense in terms of a long term policy it's really so it's not up to me it's in the regs own up to long term policy in terms of a long term policy is clearly and i don't know i think i'm having trouble visualizing how much will do but i don't think it's much it's essentially the the shoulder of the of the driveway to be honest with you i think that's probably adequate was not adequate as i can get through the parking lot  so i guess i just want to see whether i'm not sure how or why that is what the slopes are or whether that be answers the question of how you get off the site and furthermore in the far distant future pretty good running total here and what we'd expect to do is to send your vice i plan and then a narrative with some additional exhibits to the extent that we need to respond to the questions just so when you're talking about here is amending the presentations are you made so then take that take those changes and that would close out that probably we'll be able to close out the process once we have all the information and then we'll be able to deliberate based on the  if there are things you want to have technical view on how the review and circulate it and post it and in your files here so it's available and give it to your spawn to it and then what we would typically do is give you what we're going to present either if a week before the hearing which is typically what we are do so if you want to look at it you can and then you'd actually receive it at that hearing and that's how we handled it that's what i was doing so that the result of the text of the review would be public e also be receiving our exhibits pre filing them but they would actually be in evidence and so you have the euro as they were public as soon as they submitted if the public cared to for example they could have come last week and see the issue it was part of the application one of the reasons why i want to go around again if you will is because there are  review on the storm water not because i don't think gabby did your numbers right but because there are aspects of the storm water control on this side because of the other tension areas that aren't that are required in your normal course of business but i think we already a lot of operating septic systems in that section area and my suspicion is that if that aquifer were truly vulnerable the problems will surface long before now and exactly what i and the other thing to remember is that particularly with the s that it's being stalled here under the current state regulations treatment takes place in the first eighteen inches of soil is in eighteen years or less than that it's right in there that i mean after eighteen inches it's it's basically in water understand i'm just saying that it's the question i have for the board is i've expressed that i have questions about whether the normal assumptions are par the regulations second thing is that we want consulting engineer to give us their professional opinion on whether this site plan the stor