the agenda i would certainly welcome it please state your name sewer disconnect so it's not it's not that we're doing something over and about you know outside of the realm of the law but it's sorry but that's ok i just want to add that one of the things we talked about was putting a maximum time limit on i do know that the agreements are always set up where the people get caught up in a reasonable amount of time they don't make an agreement ten dollars or mo you can see where at least one of these is big enough that they buy this for a year  i think i would be ok extenuating circumstances like some of these significant bills with extending it out a year just just to ensure that we get the money you know i don't want to put onerous terms and then risk not that's that's significant and that's important to know when we look at our rate structure because we have to factor in a certain number of delinquencies land when we're looking at  just it's it's a it's a notice at that point they have to and it's not in here but the basically the notice says you are delinquent either pay up in full or come in for a payment plan and i wonder if we should be set in stone at the end of the year if they've been paying terms then it gets right back then you're you're different but hopefully the idea is by starting this earlier that we end up with we're not through forty five thousand step couple of bunch of things going on at the same time where you know we need to go ahead and let you know how much it's going to cost to survey and so for the landowners today we discussed  the process for a school would go and so forth and from what i understand when we left the it turns out that the three morning landowners together need to basically work together that is the best sake that is a good cheapest alternative that's where we went with that i'm doing it at the existing state would cost more money than going off site it's because of the nature of the tanks and also the long term maintenance hope to be right now i don't think we expected to be any further than we are so so the next step is for them to let us know and from there we'll we'll talk about surveying in appraising conditions could be optimal and i don't need to be unless they are in notice don't know harrington's and and we've we've had some really candid conversations about where we are and and  the water in syria task force has made some preliminary made a preliminary recommendation at least on the water side and there will be some further discussions on the wastewater side so basically the recommendation from the water task force is to is to get away from sort of the allocated you know basing it on bedrooms and allocated units and going towards the dividing everybody by what an average single family home uses where is no one is less than one so basically every connection in the community is divided by forty one and a half thousand gallons rounded to the nearest whole number to come up with approximately five hundred ten equivalent residential units so right now we're at roughly five hundred eighty four which includes allocated units it includes people who are using less than what they're allocated etc etc so the five ten is representative of dividing everybody by forty one and a half thousand taking out the existing allocated units who basically be allocated units or the people who are not connected to the system currently are not getting water whose revenue is currently being used to support our expenses it's not going into a separate account so the five ten would be not counting them it would be basically a a read a complete reset so most single family homes are going to be one equal in residential unit bruce will be amy will be harry it will be one there will there are some higher usage single family homes who maybe two or  three the businesses the majority of the small businesses that their offices will probably be one and then there are some businesses that will see significant increases because they are using significantly more and that was that was a that was an interesting discussion they they said septimus should go to septa to go to waste water and suddenly kendall after our conversation sent me links to a couple of statutes that that explicitly say that septic revenue or sewer waste water revenue can only go to waste water expenses so we've been kind of not doing it the right way but i think it's because the account combined they're the same account even though you get bills for water and waste water it all goes into one fund so so we're kind of we're kind of setting the reset button is essentially what we're doing and it was really important to the water task force that that we are now transparent that the water is the water and the waste water is the waste water that sugars out how much sugar is out and and then of course we've started to get into conversations about you know future debt payments and projects and that's that's a that's another meeting or two down the road they also chose to apply the same rationale our use to the wastewater side so it'll be a wonder one if a single family home is one for water their one year you for waste water if they're twenty five if the connection is twenty five for water they're twenty five for wastewater and so that is also a significant reset now the water and sewer task force is going to be considering to what amount of  used to offset grades at the next meeting which is going to be this thursday because because the group recognize the need for capital planning and that and that we've underfunded capital improvement reserves spending contribution for many years for a lot of years and that while we have this bonus incepted revenue we should treat it as a bonus and kind of squirrel it away if we can so that if we come up with a situation where we are down on revenues like we are this year we are down thirty four thousand dollars and septa dravidians that it if we designed it in such a way that that access goes to capital then we're not impacting the rates because it's just it's money that we're putting away that doesn't affect the rates so we just put less money away from the from the septic revenue we still put our line items from the capital budget we still put our annual appropriation to waste water distribution system mean it's the extra that we kind of you know chip away in that if we do end up are on the revenue for the routes the greater the impact of the rate when the revenue goes away yes suit so that's going to be part of our conversation on thursday is i've i've i went back to the drawing board based on conversations that we had and i did scenarios where it was roughly sixty percent of subject revenue going to offset the sewer rates roughly eighty percent and roughly ninety six percent just just it was an arbitrary some framework so yes so in theory the increases in the water should be offset by the biceps could could be offset by septic revenue making up making up the difference on the wastewater side now the reality is that the rate the rates have to go up because we have more expenses than we did a year ago that that's that is the reality of it and the reality of it is that we have a system that needs to be maintained period and that requires revenue so that's where we are today the final recommendation will be will be coming for the annual meeting in may and  and and the people who are actually going to be most impacted by some of the rate structures of the businesses so it's in her best interest to make decisions that would have the least impact on businesses for water and waste water bill standpoint like yeah you know there's the other side of the  volunteer hours or sometimes you got to take what you can get if there are people more people in the water system who once are in the towns first by all means but i mean at this point i think that the contribution has been has been and i think there are a number of other people who are on it who are looking out for the best interests of their residents and we do know that another part of the conversation is going to be where do we where do we put future capital and how do we share the  and that is going to be part of future conversations and as a resident of the of richmond she will play a role maybe yeah for that conversation for people for well i mean i don't wan about sixty thousand dollars paid for by three hundred people let's us another couple hundred dollars right there all right so you're looking at a lot more than you are for the people who get the benefit me what's going on and then finally we don't have the figures we don't have any drawings we have we don't we don't know anything yet ok and when we do we will because it will need to be part of the conversation but we don't have enough into that because we have fifteen minutes and i don't think any of us has the material i mean we've got months ago right it was really just continued discussion where we're going to do next year  water plants are going to be there to the point of having a meeting on that so it's going to be on may sixteenth at six pm the point of having it on a thursday is we did not want to be limited to an hour right for a select board meeting we wanted to allow the time yes six six pm here yes thursday may sixteenth board want to start by acknowledging the events of boston with the bombings that happened at the marathon this afternoon and ask everyone to send a prayer out to all of those who are victims of that and actually the rest of our nation because we're all hit bike handling skills which they can take to the mountains or to the roads or whatever they're not that expensive especially if someone has a bobcat or else put in some volunteer time digging like myself so some of the other you know communities nearby have parks like this going on as well oriented possibly help people work on solutions and we got through some of the right thing about some of the issues so i just feel that maybe i would come types of people that maybe other people might not necessarily going to bring in from know i'm always up for the challenge progress and for the benefit of i've never really to interview scheduled for tonight but it's my understanding that there are others who are interested so we'll just scheduling those interviews at our next meeting so after all the interviews are couple of meetings among probably thoughtful stuff in between i guess if i were to answer any question i realize that the new was it was only proposal was defeated and part of the benchmarks of that were three in ten acre is something that i would have thought had gotten away in the eighty's i think it's too much property for one family or one person to take care of and why would he be asking them to buy that not to mention that present land orders are losing out that doesn't mean i have an agenda for what zoning might be but i do have to say that as a driver of the town and so on generally pretty happy and pleased with how things are you know i know what the something looks like right now i'm not uncomfortable with  from the state for an ecosystem restoration program ran specifically for this parcel we had a couple proven something garden and front and on the retention pond in the back for a number of reasons that couldn't move forward we then looked at some other two other options for you the use of the grant farms to improve the discharge area at the end of railroad street and then there's there's a erosion control project that's already been in the engineers actually for any road and neither of those projects  really suitable for moving forward at this point so we still were on the cusp of losing the funding thirty five thousand dollars and the state department of environmental conservation staff including christy and jim there are existing stormwater areas along the railroad actually right in that parking lot area itself and we would propose shift in the entire thirty five thousand where you would be treating a new storm want to run off from the site so it's a great opportunity to use the grant funds to treat some of that runoff and i think that you can arm it development committee has expressed an interest in that kind of a green space or a park or bench or something in that area and i think that there are a lot of creative ways that we could use these funds to treat storm water maybe a rain garden infiltration area that is usable in the summer and visible to the public and really teaches a good message about storm water treatment could be a real enhancement to the site with nice rain garden plants are going to be a great opportunity to infiltrate storm water runoff as we think about phosphorous time to the lake and really trying to reduce richmond's phosphorous contributions i think it's a it's a great opportunity it's cheapest to design storm water projects when you're building a new project rather than retrofitting  know i think i mean just for every aspect of this i think it's a great opportunity and no may first i'm planning on attending a meeting with everybody else who's interested in the parking lot because the last thing we want to do is take away any parking spots or make this more difficult to develop so i i think that we could design a project to meet all the parking demands time water treatment so i think it's worthwhile to pursue it and if for whatever reason it's not doable then we haven't lost anything because i think we're running into the deadline and really winter right insert part of the virus scope of work it is to come up with different design alternatives so that could be pervious pavement but when we look at previous pavement to want to look at it we can look at the  and the quality of the pavement to see if it does hold up because we don't want that pavement to deteriorate in the town have to replace it in five years ten years so i think th way that we've drafted it it allows for different options and then we look at those different options and then select one as a group and i think that my vision this could be that whole group of everyone who's interested in the parking lot coming up with a solution that works for everybody and then probably go in that business look forward to make sure that you endorse that as well far in the project and since they were here to do that for me on this parcel i think it was four thousand dollars so usually he is pretty amenable if he has time in advance so  at this point in the next few months if we do finalize a plan then you can build that into next year's budget and the way that we've written the scope if that parking lot does go forward this year that's great but  i think we've extended the time frame through next summer so there's adequate time for the design and actual construction  as much strong water runoff and it might not end up being thirty five thousand dollars and i don't deal with the cost side stronger to my practice but i know part of it is the design and coming up with the different designs of the different alternatives and then i think thirty thousand dollars is allocated for the actual when it's construction twenty seven  we'd like to do now if a rain garden is put in is really reach out to the community for the master gardener program and really encourage residents to get involved with just the general spring cleanup and upkeep of the the process for owners who have properties under the jurisdiction of the special club has a gay area second is to exempt parking available to owners and being able to change uses is very difficult with required parking space requirement and then the third is to allow for directory signs the intersection of different discussion there are people who have come to the meetings and talked about the importance of that parcel for its commercial uses which right now it is village commercial and zon decided not to slow down the process for these other changes which important as well are basically very very favorably by everyone who's heard about them so that i just wanted to make sure i understood why the cream parcels not who did it at this point and i want to briefly just talk with you about the process and hear from you  you think that this room could work from your perspective so i mean commissions public information session is this when is the plan commission has to have a formal public hearing which they will have in may when we took toward the end of may at this point if there aren't a lot of comments during that wednesday's session at least to think that they have a lot more work to do they have a lot of work to do flyer there's the planning commission doesn't plan for public vote if the select board decided that was something you thought was important that can absolutely be done or there could be a petition for a public  there's an expense associated with that and given the nature of these being positive changes to the bylaws claim commission at this point makes a public vote would be necessary but i just wanted to know that because that was voted down even if these are positive changes and i think they are positive changes if we just move forward without a public vote the perception will be that we're trying to get things th you know were voted on by the town in november so i want to make sure that there is if we go in that direction that there's a lot of notice and there's nobody out there why wait a minute what is this like we're that kind of interaction to happen again and to be here in just a different path to go forth in terms of public education if we had a problem that it was a lot of complicated to slide it in another way i think you know that if you if you are really clear about the process like we know that these are not contentious issues we know that these are and these are going to be discussed you know further down the road if it's going to be an open discussion so that there is a clear path to getting to those things that were contentious whatever they work well i think that's the thing it's maybe not terribly clear what the things were that were contentio but by i think separating the flood zone part so that it doesn't get confused with the other i was next in the originally thinking that these things shouldn't be controversial and and applied to outside the flood command so this does make it very clear that that's the flood plain i think yes so people know if they have to go vote on it don't know they've already voted on that and if it's important to put out there that these are changes to the old regulations that are now pushing through the new regulations the way so that people are really clear when you're just addressing the old regulations  y and then change in the proposed it was a larger area and then in the planning commission right now consensus for changing the parking for just that smaller area that that really had been what they wanted to address but because it was a larger district it didn't couldn't do other areas breaks and that because some people had asked me about that today that why that change was made and i wasn't sure why is it mostly just space you know d r v they're there they  planning commission agree to go with five hundred and then we have all the we have all the other improvements and yes it's becomes possible to raise it then absolutely will be the first of you get these things if it's well educated and there's always going to be some ones that i didn't know but if well educated you think these things are not going to be contentious even if someone finds out after the fact that oh my gosh there was  and so i take exception to you saying bruce there was a broad spectrum of opposition to the to the proposed changes well most of it was principled them and well thought out that there were people who didn't intervene and became involved and did not add to the discussion and as i said we're driving and agenda that had nothing to do with the vote that's what i'm speaking to ok so i guess to be proper i will move to adopt this proposal that i've passed around and then we can discuss take this out briefly because i wanted on paper the select board is going to ask to review changing the charter to make a listers an appointed position the committee would be tasked with examining that question and only that question nothing about a treasurer or other positions that are currently elected and they would be asked to recommend to us to see what the last day for us to vote on something like this would be january fourth so they made the deadline november fourth deadline for the committee to recommend a change or no change in terms of the structure of the committee five people they would elect their own the discussion so jeff and i are going to meet tomorrow afternoon we're actually having a conference call with and i think jeff you would probably be better adept at explaining the contour the conference calls with or the conference calls with another website designer with site hoster give us more ideas about oh what are options are whether we're going to go with the preventive kids plan such as who we're speaking with tomorrow putting together that location and then we can finish that up and i mean going to tell you the process we just went through and things you might want to consider in the r p because we just went through this and  money for giving up control over appearance issues regarding maintaining things like that but we still have we have that's the bridge here consider a light rehabilitation along the deck where the surface installation of a membrane protection system i think this is similar to the previous  because i'm just sort of thinking big picture is how long will that repair last verse is replacing and upgrading to a better shop should i mean this is this structure almost twenty years and now we're down to fourteen years thirteen years in between significant investments in the infrastructure there sometimes you got to know when to hold  we had three companies big trucks keeping an air conditioning at a base bit of forty seven thousand three hundred ninety four dollars per month energy base bid was forty two thousand five hundred a month mechanical had a base bit of forty four thousand with two alternate one was a chemical cleaning flush system for twenty one hundred dollars the second alternate was a pipe insulation for three thousand eight hundred fifty dollars the apparent little bitter was vermont energy you as many revisit the structure fire and how do we thank the fire department i happen to be on duty with rescue and got the pleasure to watch them work and was proud to have different areas a few female has received both of them and the letter of map provision is waiting on line and approval of the appeal our engineer is very confident that both will be accepted because he w team ministre hers should not have any objection since engineering appears to be complete so that being said we're waiting for feel good to give an answer in the meantime  kasey engineering has submitted an amended bill that i've placed in the packet they say they've gone above and beyond their original estimate this is taking far longer than they originally planned to be able to get the work done and they submitted amended billing were spent almost five thousand dollars over they've credited some of that back essentially saying they're going to split the costs but they are requesting a better digital payment of two thousand five hundred thirty four dollars fifty cents and a lot of this has to do with the back and forth with c right well they they didn't notify me that they were doing more work than they expected and they might come back at some point within the additional request and i said we still have to submit this get it done and they did so this is what their pro and why are they crediting is that as a good faith essentially i think they realize that they're asking for more money that you know they they didn't of which is why they're offering heat some of the cost that being said they feel that to satisfy viewers engineer they had excessive hours put into running the is an expense for that fiscal year realistically again i'm disappointed in the amount of time it took them to realize that they had billed us for five percent like five thousand dollars worth of work i think that's right and maybe that's part of the credit but still it's that's a lot of money they don't really explain the credit or do they know where if you look at the bottom of these just maybe two thousand one hundred fifty thousand dollars of the total cost they're saying it's actually the floodway revisions are saying that they're not charging us for right which happened in january because at this current fiscal year you didn't separate the budget so essentially the all of the engineering and other costs are pool and share between planning department right now we will be good neighbors and that's and that's why i was questioning why we didn't get an amendment for the contract back back when they said that we were going over well and maybe that's our error for saying well you need to give us an estimate on how much it's going to be and we need to approve that before you do any more work here but we do believe it's so late and there was a fixed price just for the record keeping alone if we paid anything that happened after july one and they forgave anything prior to july one of two thousand well then our record keeping is clean it might be the same amount of money or well i think of that we could say you know if we understand the situation at their hand if they could revise the bill to show that they're crediting that twenty one hundred dollars all of what took place in the previous fiscal year being credited so for our tax purposes we have we're only being built for expenses in two thousand and thirteen or two thousand and thirteen doesn't make sense  we'll agree to pay them what they're asking to be paid and don't agree to give us the credit they are saying they're going to give us but we want them to show that credit so anything that was built before july one is within that credit just so it's cleaner tax this is everything we're going to give you a credit of whatever the amount is which includes all of two thousand and twelve charges so our credit is twenty one fifty two eleven hundred of which happened in two thousand and twelve so that's just clear on the bill that we're not paying anything that took place in two thousand and twelve auditors a thing like that are there with you know the recent medals that was that part of the learning experience yes that that happened a and i'm not worried about any relationship with the thousand dollars they're not worried about their relationship with us either th included apartment reports nothing really significant to point out there but they're there for your information we do have a financial report and we also have the works in progress response right but there's a cost obviously to having somebody there right been held up by almost every department we have and right now i think the plane commission it wanted to have to make sure that it didn't conflict with the major revision they were doing and i keep