well good evening everyone welcome to this evening's regularly scheduled meeting of the holland city council we're have a slightly different schedule this evening because of the important social justice awards of the human relations commission just awarded in this room so we certainly wa congratulate all the award winners and thank each r c for its many hours in putting that ceremony together as well as determining who the the award winners would be this year before we can conduct business we do ensure we have a quorum so i'd ask our deputy city clerk to will say the pledge of allegiance to the flag so i would invite everyone in chambers to rise and join us and i wanted watching at home to join us in these items as well so we pray i have only father we thank you for being here we thank you for those who have gone before us we thank you for those that were just awarded the social justice awards for the people that said there's a problem and i'm one to help fix it we realize wow how much difference one person can make as we read and hear the legacy of someone like kicker and how involved he's been in the founding of so many organizations that have made so difference in the lives of people throughout this community for years we pray father that you will help each one of us to stop and think to notice the needs around us to be a part of the change that we want to see in the world that we can continue to make this a place that makes you proud we pray lord that you will help us and this evening that we will make decisions that honor you that you eat you will give us the wisdom and the discernment and the love to live as you would have us live that those who see us and experience this community you will know that it is a different place that this is a community of people who care about each other and understand what it is to love one another we know this is a fallen world that it's not possible to be perfect but we pray that you will help us to have hope and to continue to work for good we thank you pledge allegiance to the flag of the united states of america and to the republic for which it stands one nation under god indivisible with liberty and justice  nancy there are paper copies of the savings agenda located in the rack in the rear of the room i invited to grab a copy of that if you'd like to additionally if you have an electronic device of some sort whether in chambers here or at home watching this broadcast  you can also find a copy of tonight's agenda including all of the material the council has reviewed in preparation for this evening's meeting by going to the city's website at city of holland dot com this is an agenda and minutes section you click there and you'll see it pretty quickly this meeting and you can find all of that background information as you take a look at the agenda tonight you'll notice that a variety of items have an asterisk next to them these are the items that are presently going to be considered on our consent agenda which means that we're going to take them all together wrap them up together with a bow vote on them once and pass them all as a group the way something gets on to this agenda is that in general we believe that it's a relatively routine item or has previously been discussed by council such that it being on the consent agenda first of all we'll have a deputy clerk read for us the items that are presently on the consent agenda that will give the audience and council members the audience and council an opportunity to remove an item from the consent agenda if they would so choose if you would so choose so and if you'd kindly read for us the present and consent agenda we would appreciate it i am five to prove the minutes of the regular meeting held january seventh study in special meetings held january fourteenth two thousand and fifteen item fourteen a one to prove extending the hound board of public works capital and operating budget filing deadline date to march sixteenth two thousand and fifteen item fourteen eighty two to approve a two years contract agreement with cordless inc for at the first and second yearly rates of seven dollars and thirty eight per ton and seven dollars and fifty cents per ton respectively and a contract with autumn here as for ash disposal at the first and second yearly rates of nine dollars and fifteen cents p and nine dollars and forty five cents per ton perspectively pending approval as to pour in by the city attorney item fourteen a three to approve the revised schedule of water and sewer charges in us an assessment based on the annual increase in construction costs as published by the engineering news record i am fourteen a fourth to approve a one year service agreement with jayco environmental inc in the amount of thirty seven thousand six hundred fifty dollars for the pick up and recycling of appliances pending approval asked for and by the city attorney i had importing a five to approve a service agreement contract with harris computer corporation for software services upgrade to northstar version six point four in the total amount of seventy thousand five hundred  sixty dollars including contingency pending approval as to form by the city attorney item fourteen a seven to approve a contract with general electric international inc in the amount of one million four hundred eighty thousand nine hundred eighty two dollars with a contingency five hundred nineteen thousand and eighteen dollars for the combined gas path inspection generator inspection and potential road or rewind of the unit a combustion turban generator at the forty eight st peaking station and a transfer from contingency to capital funds in the amount of one million dollars to cover the hot gas path inspection portion originally planned for fiscal year two thousand and sixteen items fourteen eight fourteen eight nine fourteen eight ten and fourteen a eleven to approve a total of four in quitman per crewman agreements with f k c ltd in the a total amount of two million eighty four thousand five hundred seats in the total amount of nine hundred eight thousand and fifty p in the total amount of three hundred eighty thousand fifty and k w s manufacturing company inc in the total amount of two hundred forty one thousand seven hundred eighty for the two thousand and fifteen wastewater treatment plant improvement projects pending approval as to form by the city attorney i final hearing scheduled for february fourth two thousand and fifteen council meeting item fourteen b two to schedule a public hearing to vacate a small western portion of the south shore right away between sixteenth street and seventeenth street to the march fourth two thousand and fifteen regular scheduled meeting council meeting and to direct the deputy clerk to publish the required notices in preparation for this public hearing item fourteen the one to refer a claim filed against the city to the city's insurance carrier city attorney for consideration item fourteen d two to approve an adopt the required michigan liquor control resolution for a brewpub license for sentry lanes doing business as bam entertainment center located at four seventy eight sixteenth street item fourteen d three to prove and adopt the required michigan liquor control resolution for a hotel be liquor license for courtyard by marriott for the big east sports grill located at one twenty one east eighth street item fourteen easy one point one two of the submitted by class in construction in the amount of fourteen thousand eight hundred thirty five for the reconstruction of the traffic circle eighty thousand street and washington avenue plus the cost of the country burn and amend the insurance fund budget to cover cost in anticipation of payment from the at fault driver's insurance company item fourteen e two point three to authorize staff to seek a contract with the land information access association in a match amount of five thousand dollars approved an additional five thousand budget i'm an adjustment to the lake michigan st and lined item in the municipal capital improvement fund as well as  reduction in the civic center line item authorized staff to execute an eventual grant document with the michigan coastal zone management program subject to approval as to form by the city attorney item fortini three point one to approve the amendment of the and inner agency cash transfer agreements with michigan rehabilitation services to allow for an increase in funding for general vocational rehabilitation services with conditions established in said report item fourteen five point two to approve the reclassification from part time advantage clerical assistant to full time department assistant one for the community and neighborhood services department with the effective date of january twenty second two thousand and fifteen and fourteen six point one to approve the reclassification of two part time multimedia producers to full time at the same hourly rate of pay and reduce the transfer to the general fund to two hundred thousand for the fifth fiscal year two thousand and sixteen budget with the effect of day january twenty to two thousand and fifteen all right so they have what presently on the consent agenda would anyone in the audience care to remove an item from that agenda and if so please step forward the microphone let us know which one it would be saying no when a member of council care to remove an item or more from the consent agenda council member forward thank you thank you it's truly an honor and a blessing to be here as your and your old director for the city of holland and hope college sustainability director this is a dream dream come true for me i have a little bit about myself so i have a bachelor's degree and zoology and environmental studies from michigan state university and i work during college i worked for the michigan department of environmental quality and as an intern for their environmental education cordon later i was a student assistant in the land of water division working on permitting and compliance after college i worked at a small environmental consulting company as a environmental science scientist from after that portion i moved to color wisconsin to marry my college sweetheart and work for a distance from that consulting company and then i took on a part time position with lakeshore technical college as their campus climate change in turn and was specifically working on single occupant vehicles coming out to campus later that spring summer time i interviewed and was hired as the next generation energy corp major where i was the energy and sustainability programming cord nader where i administered a number of federal grants and private grants worked on campuses stand ability initiatives k through twelve cord nation and community outreach in two thousand and nine we had our son and we knew we wanted to be back in west michigan where we grew up and we just knew that we want to be closer to our friends and family and my husband started interviewing and found a job that he truly loved with an environmental or engineering consulting company here in the holland zealand area and moved back in two thousand and ten and i stayed back in color in continue to work and shore house until march and then moved over as as we made the transition once coming back to holland i became involved with the west michigan sustainable business forum we me act and the area cordoning council specifically helping with project clarity and their watershed group i became connected with the highland christian superintendent later that fall and then this past fall i started working at home christian in their new home school program teaching science at the high school and middle school and so then i became aware of the sustainability director position and i was just ecstatic about it holland has been doing so many things in environmental and sustainability and i was just dying to have the opportunity to work with all of you and the community members on this so i interviewed and again fell in love with this dream job and still pinch myself that i have the opportunity to do this some of the deliver s that i have in this new position are working and community metrics community education k through twelve education working with the whole green team and student engagement putting together a dashboard and a website some of that will include videos for the community members as well and then i am also helping to integrate the sustainability committee's sustainability framework which really focuses on the quality of life transportation environmental awareness an action star energy economic development community and neighborhood and community knowledge and and i'm just so excited about this opportunity because the city is just focusing on all of the right pieces in my power in my opinion and again i'm just so excited to be a part of this was recently recognized as one of the most beautiful small towns in america and i can see why we have the beautiful lake here the community is just absolutely stunning and therefore i am just so excited to be helping to continue to incorporate sustainability and protecting our natural resources and our citizens and i am looking forward to working with all of you and our community so if you ever have any questions feel free to contact me at any time very much again welcome all rights we have a bit of unfinished business we have a report from the traffic committee dealing with some parking restrictions along fifteenth avenue between harrison avenues as well as one of the first corner of twenty fourth street in columbia ave i believe we did not table this i don't believe because we never actually considered it last time that correct mr city attorney that's correct the report was except last time postponed till later but which means we don't have to remove it from the table to discuss it and we welcome to the microphone our director or interim director what is it director of transportation and engineering services for i am white today actually i believe it was updated in your package as well there were two parking recommendations that were on there were going to only focus on one of those and that is that the the  northeast corner of twenty fourth in colombia that proposed parking restriction the other one there by bernard school at fifteenth street we did get some late public hearing first my mistake a public hearing at this time of year to address this particular item we didn't vote you know step forward microphone and address counsel on its and it only the the rules of counsel relatively simple we ask that you state your name and residential address for purposes of the when there's one minute left it will turn yellow and when it turns red it means your time has expired so with that anyone care to address this item here's your chance to do so the public hearing is over merritt is page twenty one of the electronic packet thank you public hearing anyone care to comment on this please january night absolutely can't talk about it i got notified in the mail that this was on the agenda so that's why i came i actually live right across the street from vanderbilt school and i've been there seven years and i can tell you it is a nightmare with parking particularly this time of year when the road slams down i can tell you parents are extremely rude dropping their children off and i cannot get out of my driveway i live on the north side of fifteenth street i have had many discussions with vanderbilt about my concerns and they've tried to address the issues with parents the flow of traffic is atrocious in the morning and i would appreciate this proposal being adopted by the council by the city the other concern i entrance to the school and then royalty and that causes problems to be able to see to get out that particular if you're turning left and so there's a lot of issues with that corner in the morning and after school thankfully i don't deal with it after school as much because i'm at work but i have come in the afternoons for whatever reason around three and people are blocking my driveway i can't get in so it's a major issue particularly at my address so i would appreciate the coun considering any traffic alterations and the area during the school hours so right thank you brian would you make sure to give your card so we can make sure you get a good bill or to be in communication as the traffic committee ok we'll close the public hearing at this time and we have requests to consider just the columbia avenue piece and with that can i get a motion please move to approved moved by hoekstra support supported by white and counsel any discussion on that particular other comments council member whiteman please i'll just use it as an opportunity to some degree one of them is very specific to a school but the same intersection that dave is referencing there at twenty fourth and columbia have observed that one as well with its proximity to black river schools and some of the traffic patterns that happened there and just want to use this is an opportunity to unfortunately we have to encourage parents to have a little bit better behavior sometimes but we see this around all of our city schools all the schools that are are in our city limits are taxed impressed by these issues and a man the traffic committee and he's got their eyes on it and i just want to use it as an opportunity to encourage parents to be kinder than what our constituent is sharing and encourage the traffic to me to continue to work with the schools on these matters because i think we all know that if we don't address it will address it within a tragedy or good point and what else care to address comments on this site right saying not ready to vote in a place called the r will find a way to make sure we get good contact right this brings us to item twelve which is the time of the agenda for comments from the audience and this is the opportunity for members of the public to address council on anything that does not otherwise show up on the agenda tonight again those same rules of council apply please step for the microphone so we can all hear what you have to say and the five minute rules in place t that part of the county but i'm here tonight on behalf of senate majority our would be cough who you all know is now a pointer to a leadership role the state senate which is going to require his attendance in lansing more often than here in the thirtieth district where he would prefer to be and so he asked me to join his staff and be his district director here in ottawa county and be available to you or your constituents anybody who may have a concern that needs to be carried to  lansing and so that's really why i'm here just for just myself and if i may leave my contact information with someone mr mayor that would be excellent and i would be happy to take make it into the official minutes and if i may one quick comment  you and your constituents to be involved in lansing business as much as you can and if you can use me to be a conduit for that feel free to thank you very much today thank you very much for being here and give our regards to the majority leader please thank you microphone is still open if anyone else would care to address council tonight right seeing none we will then drop down to one of the items at the board of public works i was not on consent just a minor little item and general manager dave koster it's a treat as always to have in chambers and please teams work on this project there's been a lot of effort done and certainly for those at home what i'm talking about is our next power generation facility the hauen energy park on the east end of the downtown  tremendous facility and tremendous process really that we've gone through to date and i kind of want to back up a little bit just remind everybody that little over two years ago you know we were calm an aging process a process of looking at a number of different options for our community and a pathway forward power generation that involves significant public involvement and communication in education on energy issues an exhaustive sustainable return on investment houses that considered both financial and nonfinancial elements of that that led to five recommendations coming out of the board of public works to the board and also to city council associated with our future power supply those those recommendations dealt with renewable which we've acted on and put those in place or we have now thirty two megawatts of wind in our portfolio in addition to the other renewable resources putting us well beyond the state's mandate of ten percent by two thousand and fifteen we made some decisions about the fate of the dion plant  that we weren't going to invest in environmental controls there because it wasn't cost effective and we were working on transitioning away from that as a base load resource for our community and we made decision about a new resource a new gas combined cycle facility that was going to be an amazing facility from an environmental performance standpoint as well as efficiency and the ability to use waste heat for additional beneficial use for the community in advancing our snow melt system and the prospect of being able to look at that for potentially a district heating source we also made some decisions about site at that time that we weren't going to continue to develop on the waterfront where the young plan is but look at alternatives those recommendations were brought to you late and twelve and since that time a lot of work has taken place since that time we've gone through a site selection process and found a site on the eastern end of the downtown area in that process in the last two years in developing this facility we've also acquired successfully acquired sixty one individual parcels in that area site has transformed at this point we have actually entered into a cooperative agreement with our neighbor holland township to bring some of that property into the city to be able to not have a facility that straddles jurisdictions but rather to recognize that for the fish and sea and implementation of the services for that particular area it was better to bring it into the city and it was a very successful process with our neighbors holland township and we pulled together a blue ribbon panel to the stat was a vision associated with this facility design and site plan and we had three main goals around that we're going to develop a world class resource for our community we're going to create a destination for people to be able to come to that and feel comfortable around that setting and we're going to enhance that gateway to our community and i think what came out of that process is amazing as i mentioned before we've restored the land in that area the cleanup work that's been done is been incredible there's more to do in terms of invasive species but those that are following this process on p twenty one decision dot com which is the website that we've created for this power for the twenty first century energy initiative you can see a video that's just been posted there that summarizes really the work that's been done as of recent and i and i encourage everybody at home that viewing this tonight to go there and look at that i think it's just tremendous what's happened so far and we're just getting started  along the way we've been able to reuse a number of materials from facilities on that site both the atmospheric processing building and working with charitable institutions in the in the community to recycle or reuse things out of the number of homes that were in that area as well we've done a number of recycling efforts and again i think the sustainability efforts associated with this project will lead it to be able to be rated by the institute of sustainable infrastructure and the envision rating system we're shooting for the highest rating with that that's our project goal when we're done we're going to have a resource it's not only efficient from a power supply standpoint that but we're  compared to the d young plant for nitrogen nitrogen oxides and suffered oxide by more than ninety five percent and will reduce carbon dioxide emissions by two thirds of what the amount is from the dion plant along with again being able to use waste heat from the facility last year we actually sold bonds due to a very attractive bond rating debt rating that we achieved one of the rare air so to speak among other municipal entities we're able to sell bonds at a very attractive nearly four percent rate for our customers which is going to help ensure that power supply in our community remains cost effective long term  procured major equipment from siemens and vote through a very competitive process that evaluated not only the upfront cost but the lifecycle cost to our customers that equipment is expected to be delivered this summer so time to get ready for that since may of this past year we've been in the process of working with our owners engineer h d r to find a partner that's going to help us construct this facility we started with a request for qualifications that brought in fifteen firms we narrowed the list down to five brucey proposals from those five firms five highly qualified firms and a very competitive process  narrowed that list down to two and through an extensive and exhaustive process of working through those bids making sure that those contractors that were bidding understood our vision for the long term  we reached the conclusion in november we asked for approval of an eleven week effort with barton mallow to conclude the contract terms on an engineer procure and construct contract engineer procure and construct means that they'll have engine nearing responsibility for putting the pieces and parts of this plant together they'll be procuring large equipment balance a plan equipment and having responsibility for taking the equipment that we purchased from siemens and vote in incorporating that into the plant receiving it and administering that incorporation into the plant and then constructing the be it responsible for the construction and the performance goals and come up and maybe say hi a minute because i think jim brings a wealth of experience to this project and i'd just like him to be able to introduce himself to you and to our community briefly before we move on and that kind of gave me a much stronger sense of the vision for home energy part i get a sense for what the communities are looking for from us and what we're going to deliver for the community here and it's truly an honor and in my career this is going to be by the highlight of my career building this plant for the city of home being a responsible neighbor good stewards of your  excellent contracting firms can and we're thrilled that you rose to the top the good michigan firm but the firm that has constructed all sorts of projects i mean just go to the website check out the kind of projects now you know check out folks the kind of projects that this company has done not just in michigan not just in the midwest but really across the country and you know clearly we got some good people working on this great project they are they are michigan firm and they are great firm based out of south field and they have a partner they have partners on this project as well engineering is going to be working with them as their engineering arm on this project and progress of a t l so in terms of some of the landscape and facility architecture work out a grand rapids  again we have very local presence involved in this project and so very very happy that they've risen to the top as well in that they share our vision on this project so again i'd like to congratulate dan's work dan's  been just a tremendous asset to the board of public works and his experience in the power industry and with construction projects to date has yielded the dividends that have been been outstanding and i like him to come out and be able to walk through just a few slides that highlight the process of the engineer procure a construct contract some of the key financial terms in milestones within that so evening dan good to see if anything here good evening coun seven years i was hired a little over seven years ago by the board and one of the main reasons i was selected as the successful candidate was i knew how to do this kind of stuff i had thought i was we had a good plan then his day pointed out and walk through the history but today we've got a better plan a much better plan as dave said we've been working on this since may we've been working with bart mal exclusively since november and through november and december we have put together a very fair contract for both parties there's rewards for both parties there's penalties for both parties and we've put together a document that's probably one that should be a scary no cost or handed over power to nally but that should be a scary thought on here if you so choose to approve this contract tonight what will happen shortly after that  it'll be an executed contract that's the start of barton malice ability to begin the work part mallow and as part of the terms the contract will need to provide an invoice an initial invoice to us  invoices only fourteen million seven hundred seventy six dollars and eight hundred seventeen cents that's one thing i'm sure g m has that ready to go they also will need to provide us with formants bond and labor material payment that's to assure that the bills will get paid for the labor and the equipment but also that the plant will be built they will provide its project schedule they've already done that that's part of the contract it's in the contract as dave pointed out earlier the major date that we expect to have this plant done is next december mid mid december but the guarantee date is february fifteenth of twenty seventeen once i have those items from g m i will issue a notice to proceed that mr scott murphy at barnes and thornburgh is prepared and that will officially kick off their ability to begin construction they've been doing design work as part of the engineering service agreement that was entered into in november so are we've been moving forward but we couldn't order equipment we couldn't do dirt moving if you will we could only do professional about the other but just a point out one of the major pieces of this contract is her approach to developing the final cost to the project it is a very collaborative approach as such it is very time consuming and requires a lot of effort by both parties your normal standard old school the p c contract if you will is calling the p c here pick your construct fall wrap sensually you work with a contractor said i need a power plant of this size i want to located here and i need it by this date and they would do everything they'd put it together when they were done they'd shake your hand hanjour the keys and that was what you got now if you didn't like what you got that was too bad pretty much you missed it on your spec that you originally gave them or some things just fell through the cracks doing the things the way we're doing will be involved in the design will be involved in the equipment selection will get to look at all the estimates all the bids in agree or comment on them or if we choose to go a different route for good reasons we can do that because it's a collaborative effort with our contract so we'll be looking at all the various systems all the quotes as we come to agreement on pieces and parts of the contract will do what's called a soft clothes ok we're done with that let's set it on the shelf that's the amount that we've agreed to and we'll work through all of the systems will work through all of the equipment and do that and gradually build the price if you will for this contract  we have a value engineering log that's where we're keeping track of all these moving parts and there are a lot of moving parts it has items on it has values associated to it as dave said earlier we will look at those will assess those value engineering opportunities if it makes sense it's good for the long term lifecycle cost of the project well except if it doesn't work for us either from an operational standpoint or a cost standpoint visual standpoint will reject him so work our way through that log and get all of those items handled but those on the shelf so when we get all the value engineering work done we had all the system a design pricing equipment selection done we will out know what the price of that plan is now we need per contract we need to have that done prior to june one of this year we we should get it done and hopefully april me should go all the way out to  price contract that he will build the plan and once we have that number we set their fee their fee for profit and their fee for  you know that some seem somewhat opposite of what you think but it's an incentive we do not want to disincentive barton malla from looking at ways of saving money if they have good ideas and they know how to save money in the i'll share it with us in their fee will improve so we'll set that fee and we've got the price of the equipment in the construction and that becomes as i said the lump sum from price contract key date i'm going to i've already gently asked anna and the mayor if i could get the contract signed tonight and after the meeting or during the meeting that would be one twenty one for the contract execution jim and his team will be mobilizing to the site february sixteenth jim's construction manager has been on site off and on since november  him an office in the project office and he's been working out of that when he needs to be over here the three major pieces of equipment will be delivered between the end of july in the end of august ordination with bryan in the work that's going on on central lab and on each street is important because as i've told you before the here recovery steam generators are coming from south korea will arrive at the dion dock they'll be unloaded dion brought out to pine avenue goes south on pine denying and then all the way east to fairbanks for modules that are four hundred thousand pounds each sixty six feet long fifteen feet wide thirteen foot tall big piece of a quick january next year this time the plant will be enclosed for the most part most of the cosmetic stuff will be there they'll be things we have to finish up in the spring trim and such landscaping we expect to put natural gas to the combustion turbans in september stemberg one thousand is when we will start those up or as dave said first fire that's a good thing not a bad thing the second unit of follow in october in november hopefully november third earlier we will put steam from the heat recovery steam generators into the steam turbine rowlett and then  hopefully have everything troubleshot sorted out so that we can turn it over to the plant operations group in mid december they guarantee it will be done by mid february that guarantee date is if you look at some of the key financial terms of the contract we have a schedule liquidated damages tied to this contract if for some reason martin melo does not have substantial completion done by february fifteenth then we assess a fifty thousand dollars per day penalty until it does get done and that is capped at fourteen million dollars i will give barton mallow high marks for willing to accept this term you know the other f work most all of them took exception to any kind of liquidated damages or penalties that tells you when you talk to a company that's when you do that they're very sure of their schedule they're very sure of the capability of getting this done or they would agree to it we do have an early incentive for every day that they get the project completed prior to february fifteenth we will pay them ten thousand dollars a day of two hundred forty thousand  i know it's a little one sided but that was one of our benefits in the contract as i said the fee in jane hutcheon a part moves from seventy five percent in the contractors contingency is about a million a half a project this size that's a very small number but once again doing an open book approach we should have everything nailed down by the time of close that book so hopefully it won't have to use any of that and they can put it in their pocket  contract pricing today i should say we could always a slide is put together last monday and these things have changed since then because we continue to work on in the paperwork that the mayor in an a half the contract price is one forty four hundred forty four million seven hundred sixty eight thousand one hundred sixty nine dollars ok i've rounded up to one hundred forty five million dollars the value engineering just moments that we knew last monday that we were aware of were a little bit over ten million we have a potential million five credit for the work that's been done during the ensuring service agreement time frame which would be november december  to when this project is executed when we execute this contract the engineering service agreement terminates that's done and now we're into the p c contract we know we have some additions changes that we hadn't thought of or things that came up as we worked on the project after the r p one out right now we're about three hundred eighty thousand dollars of additional work that could go up we've got we've got to get through all the all the open book period so last monday if we had taken advantage of all the value engineering the e s a adjustment all the additions we would have a contract of about one hundred thirty three million dollars i don't think that's where it's going to end up and looking at the large go but i'm predicting it's go somewhere between one hundred thirty five one hundred thirty eight million dollars and we close the book this spring ok so i'm asking for one hundred forty five million dollars i think it's going to be one hundred thirty five hundred thirty seven what's up with that that is the contingency normally the board would come to you with a recommendation for a contract amount in a certain percentage contingency this is just another way of accomplishing that so we would have somewhere between five and eight million dollars of contingency so about five percent roughly with that any questions that you may have had be glad to feel counseling questions for the board thing for you and we'll be back and we'll yeah is it like the kind of thing you wake up in the morning with another lesson it's a kind of thing that you keep a pad of paper next to your bed sitting wake up at two in the morning with the thought you capture yeah it's intense it's the nature of these this type of work it's been intense for me but just as intense for jim and his team h d r all the people involved in this knowing it was the holiday period we're trying to put together this kind of contract yeah it was intense it took a lot of work a lot of effort by many people but it's also what i enjoy doing now i do all of this stuff the paperwork which is not the most fun part of this so i do get to take part in the fun part which is building it when it starts going on would you say this is kind of the apex of your career is well it's close it's it's i'll say it's my swan song i probably i'm not going to build another one i want to make sure that if this is the last project that i build it's done right and that i can walk away from my career with one last good contribution to the community i grew up in yeah it's important to me it's one of the reasons that i did come to dave recruited me way back when i i will say that when i was leaving c m s dave was the first person i talked to  if you have a family and you want to be around home so you know it's a bright bright bright star for me personally we really appreciate the experience that you think to this project and i know you're not just serving with your heads we can sense the heart in every one of you and with with that with the career long careers and so it's not just like oh i'm just going to try this once a minute but it this is there this is a long history of learning for such a time is this and now we feel that sense of history and and the responsibility and also the joy of seeing all of this come together and i'm no engineer but my am neither now but my respect for your ability to handle details and and tackle huge projects and i just enjoy the wild water white water of it off as is fun to watch and i'm just very grateful and our whole community is for how well this facility will service for decades to come we really thank you for all your sleepless nights and and the hard work that you have put into this point in and from here on is wow well thank you but kind of a joke going around on site if you look at most of people that are involved in this project we either have short gray here or no here qualifications qualifications it is one of the nice things about that though is like jim and mike wallace we the construction manager and most of the people that we have involved in this it is we are getting to the i'll say the tail end of our careers but we've all done a lot of things so holland is very fortunate with the team we've got together that we do have a ton of experience and yes we may be moving a little bit slower these days but we still remember what we have to do manage to get it done you know i want to follow up with them the earlier and in not recognizing tim and paul behind me you know you have an amazing board you know and two individuals on it you know they bring a wealth of experience when you look at him his ability to understand the project's financial viability asked tough questions and smart questions about things and paul's construction experience in engineering background that he brings to the  table these two individuals have spent a lot of time involved in the project process the estimates that came from h d r and also in reviewing the contract terms associated with this work and so we're very appreciative of their contributions their time spent and their expertise at their into the  for that as well as pleasure for you both i just want to make sure it's clear tonight the recommendation for the contract there are five documents associated with that we have the base contract we also have the assignment of confidence in that the tremendous amount of work that's been done and the faith and trust that we place in both because of the staffing board for the work that's been going on so it's a big number and serious number but as we look forward to the next forty plus years of this facility operating in our community i think we've good conference the project moves forward very well in an incredibly cost effective way for us that both from a construction site and ultimately from an operations side that will serve this community well for decades to come yes yes yes yes yes all right thank you thank you will look forward to keeping on top of this and seeing progress beginning well progress has begun but you know seeing the next phase of progress begins yes thank you six thirty seven apple avenue from the r one one family residential district to the p r d me and residential development district final adoption of february fourth two thousand and fifteen to help those at home those in the audience and counsel to get their bearings the map on the screen shows the general area that we're talking about twenty four street runs east to west are left to right on the screen as indicated by the red arrow apple former wavecrest academy that's currently the vacant right now harlem public schools is selling this property and appledore an assisted living center as approached them site just a general area so people understand where we're located appledore and is already investing in this area with i think it's one hundred eleven unit three storey building right here and they've constructed some single family condos here and they have another assisted care living facility and this section and they're building one here more or less going from thirty second street which is at the south part of this map up to this area it's really become a senior you know housing drainage there's additional concerns that if this development happens you know that there will be more pressure on that during the edge there were some concerns on the changing that's occurring in this neighborhood you have a strong single family residential district here however this area is really vacant thirty forty fifty years ago some orchards in this area some large lot zoning occurred and since that time there's been some redeveloping that's occurred with some condominium developments both to the west and to the east and then to the south as well and then the appledore and growth is just put some pressures on this the existing housing that was in this area so there's  some issues that the residents are dealing with as you know we go through this the planning commission did look at the master plan which is shown on the screen right now this yellow area is a one family residential planning designation and this darker purple area is a multifamily present planning designation as you can see the what i would probably estimate that's about one fourth of six thirty seven apple and apple avenue is planned for one family residential wire the  supermajority of this lot is planned for multifamily the plane commission made the determination that you know the reasoning did meet the master plan for this area that's why they unanimously recommended the city council that you accepted tonight for first reading and schedule for final approval at your next meeting available meeting which is february force any questions of regards to the recommendation and the process so far to get us to hear tonight any questions for jo documents that are on record right now is calling for high density you know residential development multifamily residential development we don't have any master plan changes proposed in this area there's nothing before the planning commission however  know has you may remember of your previous meeting you they approved us to hire a consultant and we're going through the process of updating our master plan right now when we met with some of the neighbors not only did we encourage them but we  multifamily development well obviously the way this is zoned it wasn't intended that way one hundred percent of the way you would have the yellow for a good portion along apple avenue on the the west side or the east side of apple  e i got nothing against apple dorn my grandmother was there it's a fine facility what i've got a problem with is the density and the drainage issues definitely that have been going on i've been brought out there myself a number of times after heavy rains because we are taking care of that drainage issue properly and it's going downstream and for the to the west a little bit more ash fall through is not going to help a whole lot a point we i would like to clarify and just make that you know city council where subsequent to this rezoning request was a site plan or what i call conceptual plan approval the planning commission night that for those reasons that you know that you mentioned there is an identified concern about drainage in its immediate area and there was not enough engineering that's been done by the applicant to show us how they are going to address that drainage so commission was cognizant of that issue and i believe you know took the appropriate path of denying the plan the planning part until they got a better handle on how to handle the drainage and at area strawberries so i kind of know that area i guess my concern here is no different than when we talked about central park and we talked about east st paul paul or we talked about legion golf course or or whatever it is i think when neighbors come up with concerns that the city council has attempted to listen to them in a very serious way and i guess what you have just stated is that the planning commission  did not receive an updated plan as far as the you know the water it seems to me that we should probably delay approval of this until we receive a more detail  idea as to what that plan is and under the section here two point three it talks about the surface water management at the time specified plans are developed for the property well that obviously hasn't happened and i'm concerned about the capping of this thirty inch storms sewer etc what that means and then also if we go back to the upper part police the fire transportation services zoning but you know i don't know if brian right weight would be the one or who exactly from the city would be responsible or could look at this little bit more detail or maybe has eye sees walking up here i would feel a lot more comfortable with us having to live more here in tia's to the surface water and where it's going to go when do we really have enough drainage areas to pull that water yeah i think that's a certainly a valid concern i can tell you right now that we have not received any kind of detail from their engineer their engineers nater veld and associates the only thing that we've seen at this point is pretty conceptual so we've made that request to them for some additional information that but you know lend itself a little bit better to those concerns so you know i'm confident that they will be able to come up with something that it is going to be acceptable you know if you look at that site currently well not currently but back when it was a school there's a fair amount of impervious area initially that came with that site so i think there's opportunities for actually improving the situation from what it was a few years ago when it was you know fairly covered with with impervious so you know i think that's  approach that i most certainly take with them when we when we get that information from them to try and make things better you know i think there's some other you know some legacy issues there was some development that's occurred quite a while ago  you know that probably isn't necessarily directly related that to that specific site but just in those areas that that may deserve a little more attention on whether well is it possible on a what's the word we don't want way is to if it's in the form of a motion and the idea would be to move to approve it and table it postponing is more kind of a general consensus by agreement kind of thing is what i opportunity to to make comments if you would care to do so certainly then we will entertain any motion that council may have but we want to make sure that if you have comments to make to see if you get the chance to do so no obligation to do so want to have the opportunity to do so first discussed the possible acquisition of this property and how we would move forward with it i explained to mark that as you know we just opened the ninety three unit congregant building  i'm pleased to say were a seventy percent least over two thirds currently occupied so that is going very well and we also have forty four additional units of assisted living under  construction saul right now we don't have an immediate need for this property nor did we feel that we wanted to design a building and bring it before the planning commission and that's the reason for the conceptual plans we brought those to the planning commission in december and were told that that would be and a good way for us to go at this point so that would have given us flexibility to possibly change the configuration of building or unit mix as time would maybe call for something a little bit different with that sad we obviously have every need to know make sure that this is done correctly and not to say ok well why didn't we really check into this water situation earlier so i just think that makes i'm not against the the project but i think we need some more information staff isn't already on top of that in terms of the site review process and for what it's worth the simplest way to state it is that's what we pay them to do and quite frankly that's what we trust them to do is to to keep their eyes on that take that input through the processes and make sure that we're not making the situation worse and having heard some of the public comment there and just seen staffs response to that i have a great deal of trust that that i appreciate your saying that however i think if we if we jump the gun especially the date for the first we can fifty were not given staff a lot of time other than two weeks to to be able to devote to to dig into this i just as soon have  mr conferences or ducks in a row speaking of water issues you know that was a joke if we could and as words postpone it just a little bit to give staff the time to do not to not to have to rush into this and make sure that everybody's comfortable i mean the planning commission obviously said something to that effect i don't want to jump the gun we've got the time let's take it here here's my sense on this and it is let's not confuse two things not confuse zoning with site plan approved if it stays are one part of the the the folks that we heard from of the planning commission were in fact our one house it's just to the to the north of this particular site and nothing would prohibit that kind of development going into this site right now without the need of any planning great commission approval nor without the need for any specific addressing of the the water issues in fact i believe staff told us the planning commission and joel if you good for was  is that certainly there are issues of water in this particular spot we don't want to do anything to make it worse but that has nothing to do is only actually nothing to do with how it sounded and the question of whether this ought to remain are one and be developed intensely is possible whether it is owned you know with the request to be more multifamily to go on to this campus i think frankly we're going to a better bit of control over the water issues on this particular site if in fact we have to deal with a site plan and if you look in you can't really see it on the map that's on the screen but i'm on google earth right now and the facility just to the south of of this site  which is kind of the zs shaped building just to the south i guess a couple parcels down you know has a retention pond or detention pond i'm not sure which is in place that you know you probably wouldn't necessarily see typical are one type of development so i just want to make sure we're not confusing zoning with site plan approval and that's where the planning commission was was concerned about the fact that in essence a conceptual site plan maybe has the word conceptual in front of but nobody in the planning commission i think wanted to give the impression that the train was leaving the station and what was conceptual was you know down the pike and ready to go rather than the planning commission wanted to look pretty seriously at what was going to be proposed ultimately but i believe and i seem to recall this in the planning commission meeting to the the rezone as part of the terms and conditions for  applicant for buying the property and they don't really have any interest in the property i suspect it's our one zone so before they shell up the money to buy the property they want to make sure that eventually ultimately they'll be able to build something that fits into to their model and  campus so with that my place but i just it befalls me it's befuddled me ever since the country club property i mean you look right across the street if you take those ten houses that are there you put them in that same area  zoning allows forty houses something is wrong with this whole picture we're supposed to be infilling with the neighborhoods we're supposed to be making sure that we're the same in our neighborhoods and to qu what's across the street doesn't make any sense to me you know so the are one if we're to follow what we have right across the street or what's laid out the rest of their to me would be better than the and that's where you'll be able to almost create yell a dense kind of i don't want these or dense but a neighborhood that meets are ones only districts where it's eighty four hundred square feet is the minimum lot with and that might be where during the planning commission discussion they got you know they were using some higher numbers maybe the number forty was what was used multiple times and that would have been why it would have been just drip residential along here but how could they plug it in back here and certainly increase the amount of rooftops asphalt and and hard surface that would not be conducive to the water comes into contact with the forty seems to be a reasonably high number if you look at the property on this map where it says two six thirty seven eleven and you flip that across the street into fairly the same rectangular piece looks to me there's one two three four five six and it looks like there's ten parcels and if you look at the particular sections of put forward in here i just don't see how that could be possible well i think we're going to well i think why that seems impossible because it is and i think that the point that joel is trying to make is that those particular lots are not necessarily representative of the men a moment for our one district may be at the top right of the purple where you see  rather narrow lot might be more representative of this size that could be done in there and so again i'm not saying that even forty of those could fit in there because i don't know the size or shape you know the size of that particular lot but it seems to me that from a depth perspective those have a little bit more depth than what joel is talking about so it is conceivable from square footage perspective that those could fit in there we can sit here for a while and debate whether we agree with the party commission's recommendation or not i'm a little confused question and i'm all for giving enough time to mull things into and bring back to us for consideration i guess i would like to have some one and i can answer part of that i mean right now there is no it's like planned before exactly in the steps hands and so and so i think that's you know there's nothing right review so we can postpone but there's no no guarantee or expectation that if you weeks or a month or whatever we're going to have more information that's going to help us make a decision do so in more my point mean then the onus is on them to create something that is acceptable to the plaintiff or from a review perspective and that's kind of the point i was making in terms of you know the amount of input that they've received relative to the water and the drainage issues there it is quite abundant and so i guess again these are folks that we know day in day out take those things into consideration whether it be the country club property or previous properties and so i don't know what we gain by postponing other than you know kind of having the applicant in limbo  separate process right any other discussion that anyone could have also work on it i understand what to say and i think that the question then becomes if we do allow them to buy this property and they come up with a site player and from that site play and we discover there is this amount of water that we need to deal with then the city is going to have to decide do they allow them to go ahead and it may cost us a significant amount of money to put some more of drainage into the apple avenue area and we have to then a few willing or not be willing to do that so i think it does for vine this property i would want to know if the city is willing to do that or no other way as i have a nice piece of property that i can't do anything with it anymore absolutely i don't disagree with you but that the guy that we just promoted if you will to have oversight on that actually just told us that there could be an improvement we can actually see the improvement with this so that's where i'm struggling and so again i don't know what we gain by saying hey postpone it when indeed we put full faith and confidence in that person to do that for us on a day in day out basis and take those inputs in so i don't i don't know enough about the water there to deliberated at this table so brian now that you've got the big title put in the spot sure so you get an a on this so this particular one in general but you get a an application from an applicant to put in place a t development plan residential development he goes to a whole bunch of apartments including yours you're looking at it from the engineering perspective in large measure you're looking at it from a water and runoff kind of thing so what are you what's the standard to which a development proposed development is help to as you're reviewing the site plan proposal so drainage is one aspect of it traffic things like that is and is another aspect from from our perspective that we look at but  developer worked on prior that has both components to that so that detention area can handle one hundred year storm event without overtopping and that it also has a tiered outlet system meant to try and encourage water quality improvements within that detention area before you know water exits the the facility so the same kinds of things you know we'd be looking to in this particular case one one other thing that we look at pretty closely and i think this came up at the planning commission and it's it's probably worth mentioning here is the location of those facilities  pretty important and i know that you know maybe an internal location for such a facility may be an option as opposed to trying to locate it you know near some sensitive areas or some you know some residential areas so the you know the location of how they propose it along with the you know the components that come with it is what i look at in terms of making sure that you know that's what we want right but when you look at the the runoff the water issues what what are the standards to which you would hold the development in that have to retain all of its water indefinitely does it retain all of its water for a certain period of time we would what's the standard to which you're judging a proposal yes so  hundred year detention so it has to hold back one hundred year storm and there's a release rate of point one three c f s per acre area so it's a low flow release rate  again just metering out the water from the detention facility in such a way that it doesn't overwhelm the downstream downstream facilities and then one final question for you if this were to remain our one and somebody wanted to put twenty or fifteen or whatever the number is a single family residences would you end up reviewing that or not necessarily yeah i believe we would now it wouldn't go to a site plan necessarily but i believe we would we would look at it from we just be looking at it from the surface area perspective ok thank you the questions for brian all right so any final discussion of the wise will certainly turn we have a motion to approve i believe we're going to get a support all right counselor through his support and so now the the motion to table in table only a table emotion can have no further discussion the only thing i'd ask is a real clear on what we are voting on it is to table as indicated so with here and a lot of residents i got the general sense and i think many of the commissioners got the sense that those discussions and any sort of planned improvements or discussions about what might happen in the inner kind of drain area was not making it out to the neighborhood in terms of  knowledge so put that on your radar i think in the coming period of time planning commission is going to ask you to give a presentation to make sure to invite you know the persons in this area who would be affected by this to kind of give us an update as to what's happening with the you're going to drain improvements in this particular spot in our city ok all right thank you ok then the other item the vacation of a small part of  your drive and perhaps the most brief of introductions on this would be appreciated no problem of the four counts of the night is a recommendation from the penny commission that city council schedule a public hearing on march fourth two yes thank you and you're welcome unfortunately we are on google earth and i do have the ability to control the computer screen from this station so i will be very brief explain the t a how we got to this place tonight right now in this house or village district where this general area is the k did there's a lot of transformation going on there's a lot of work occurring between the property owners development of single family homes carriage houses town homes and row houses as part of this plan they are intending to construct a mixed use multi story building that the southeast corner of sixteenth street and south shore drive on the screen now is what we call a basic site plan showing the proposed layout were proposed footprint of this  to an agreement so to say that we could vacate the shaded area of the south shore drive right away and it would allow the applicant to move forward with a proposed building design it should be noted that the proposed building design is going to be actually three stories in height the first one is going to be a restaurant that the upper floors will be apartments condos and that you know there proximate value of that final go to be about two million dollars to make this happen we have to vacate a portion of this right away we talk to the city engineer the actual with of the road the sidewalk of the road everything you see above the surface will not be impacted it will not be reduced the philip these that run below the road will not be impacted so it's really no loss to the city we just need to pick up that right away line move it over about twelve to thirteen feet to allow their building to be constructed as they so see fit the planning commission had a public hearing on this at their previous planning commission meeting they're recommending that city council schedule public hearing for march first meeting the march and we'll move forward with the process then any questions in any questions which to nancy how can it move over twelve to thirteen feet and it doesn't affect anything or right away they are typically sixty six feet in with the roads in this area brian has left the building the roads in this area range anywhere from thirty to forty feet  with cell the area that we're vacating this shown on the aerial photo here this white line you have right here is that curve or the outer edge of the road the yellow line is obviously the painted strait that divides the two sidewalk or not correct what you have right now what's been there for the past since i've been here and probably well before that this whole area has been know that has been known as a paved shoulder paved area it's just a really wide curb cut the site plans that they dropped off today for us to review shows this whole area receiving a high back curb along this area and then this area between the edge of our road and their property line is going to be probably brick pavers or some kind of decorative concrete sidewalk it's going to be a greatly improved pedestrian walkway in this general area planing staff in the engineering staff is going to be working with the property owner to the south of here to see how we can continue this kind of walkway down to this point so that's an eight foot and the reason that little request grew to that long green piece was because you wanted cat nudity in the road correct instead of little chunky miss correct if we vote to do this that doesn't have anything to do with what we would charge for them to buy it or anything curtis did your vote tonight is just to schedule the public hearing for your first meeting the march ok between now and then is when we'll have and then i'm going to ask greg a camp with resource georgia resources to give us information about the proposal that was requested by city staff who has requested following a community recreation plan that city council help public hearings on improved last year which follows up on a two thousand and ten recreation plan both of which noted the need to look at enabling individuals to visit and utilize the opportunity to visit like mecca tower at thirteen different st annes in the city of holland many other communities have done similar type investigations and studies and the proposal that you'll hear shortly about we'll do the same here these are briefly some photographs from top down of the thirteen different street ends and i do want the community to see what some other areas of west michigan have done at their street ends this is a small mini beach on a bench this is a  small walkway this is a small kayak watch fishing area and also another fishing area when the water is higher and another sloping kayak area into a the staff to maintain these in a safe way and one will understand who is working with where then we can understand it's our responsibility to clean these things up or take care of any issues that pop up so that's the first thing is identifying them surveying them and then creating simple maps of of what's there and also with the grading so we can create concept plans the next step is to create a series of concept plans one for each of the sites that are test various ideas about what can be down some small things so it's not creating thirteen new parks it's really more about focusing on access to this and then what we'll do at the end of that is we will then do a series of public meetings to share with the neighbors what we're talking about and what we're proposing there so will still work at the format of those it could be a single meeting where we go through all of them at once or we could meet with the groups individually but the key is to get that feedback and make sure that everybody's on board the project kind of stops there that  plan that was recently adopted about seven months ago i think would go into that plan and then over time as funds allow you might choose to implement some of them pretty simple project slightly less expensive than kaplan proven fun as well as a reduction in the civic center line item made possible by funding that did not was not necessary for the civic center capital design maintenance repairs and third that the mayor and city deputy city clerk be authorized execute the agreement of question comes from the board on just one thing that the residents will always see something in the mail to tell them that surveyors are coming and the surveyors will introduce themselves go to the door to say who they are and what they're doing with proof of who they are and after the surveying is done people have then be invited to hear what their findings were and what the proposals are so there are a lot of levels of people being informed of what this could be and what it is engineering sure why it is getting a workout this evening some ninth street planning yes believe we do have some visuals for this  one again as we discussed earlier tonight we are in the planning stages for our ninth street reconstruction project what you have for you tonight as a recommendation for awarding project is going to involve the roadway along main street from washington avenue all the way down to what we refer to as the eighth street transition again just to the east of gerritsen avenue  traffic both in in the present day and then also in the future trying to look ahead to all the possibilities with the development on the west and there in the potential there as well as through that downtown area  you know you may recall a few years ago some work we did on seventh street where we basically took that three lane section took it down to a two lane section and added some on street parking i could certainly see some similar  possibilities occurring here on main street the traffic volumes on night street really lend itself to needing only two eastbound lanes there so i do think that you know that gives us some opportunity some flexibility you know to work within you know that right away to try and maybe add some amenities one of the things that you know we're certainly going to look at is the non motorized component as well trying to incorporate that where we can the other aspect to this and we touched upon this before the bit but the timing on this the project has been awarded some surface transportation program funds about one point two three million dollars which is which is fantastic it will go a long ways to to the construction site of this but those funds are f y fifteen funds so we want to make sure that we can get those funds locked up from an obligation standpoint and in order to do that even though we anticipate construction for the most part occurring in sixteen we want to get this designed and engineered to the point where we can get obligation we're shooting for may of this year which basically means you know some of these concepts and the decisions about how we want to look at traffic and things like that on night street really we're going to look at trying to coalesce around some some decisions i would say and a march early april timeframe that would give us enough time to in i would say late summer early fall of two thousand and fifteen with the idea that most of that construction would occur in twenty sixteen and again this one of the components with this project is also some still no transmission the other item that was removed from consent which was fourteen feet three point one the report from the finance department ryan the quickest of intro on this because i believe the reason it was pulled is for recusal right this is a follow up of something that i think isn't done one or two other years and it's to facilitate the ability of a nonprofit that is partnered with the city and multiple projects this building a network to access this funding in a way that is more conducive for all concerned so it is does does not cost the city anything it does not does not grow anything for the city but it is an opportunity to partner in a way that that improves the services for the city as well only to say this great to have good partnerships with organizations like disability network i think we do a better job because we can partner with organizations focused in specific areas and this is a perfect example of it please call the  into the city manager's office is pleased to report the following gifts recreation and department received a donation in the amount of five thousand dollars from frank cry for the ice rink project parks and recreation department for the staff for a scholarship fund received six dollars a total of six dollars from a michelle hubbell and lete teresi to grab nature center received a total amount of seven hundred eighty four dollars for the adopt an will jeanette ski cammy and maisie smith jackson b m clara phoebe and isaac scamper margo o'connor zach as close i'm so sorry call stad drake in k c mayhew and also the amount of thirty five dollars and five cents for the adopt an animal button's digraphs nature center received for land improvements a total of one hundred ninety dollars from tom thomas and say only castle and stephen in the n c beery saga to township fire department donated one hundred dollars to the education program public safety services and victim support of the martin luther king day event it is recommended that these donations be accepted with appreciation and an expression of gratitude be forwarded to the donors what is the pleasure of to have an ice skating rink i think this is the fifth year in a row that he has sent in five thousand dollars and harder to add to our fund which is now at the twenty five thousand four hundred today thanked him for his donation and it is getting harder for him to walk he uses a cane he has some real physical challenges and it's it's it's amazing how he continues to give back to the community with his reasoning in spirit and his and his generous attitude to give other people a chance to enjoy ice skating and he said that he hoped he could see it before he leaves this earth but he doesn't now but we're very grateful for his faithful leadership and generosity in continuing to give to what would be really nice for the city of holland his really  us then down to just a minor item of the fourteen eat five point three on street parking matter yes there was tongue in cheek on that case you're wondering perhaps the city manager would give us a brief introduction and by brief i mean brief think last summer after tulip time is coming to a time extend to act over fifteen on street parking until five a m would be permitted according to an ordinance that is in your pack you've reviewed this at several study sessions you've had multiple surveys seventy some percent of the people supported what happened last summer and this would make it something that would happen every year until such time as you found s fit to men did so with that it is before you i'll be having answering questions as i understand it ryan the it was you see it's essentially the program that we had in a phyla bases last year with one exception and that is moving from an end well we've been through this quite a bit had quite a few conversations went through several times where it came to about her near vote and decided it wasn't a good thing to do and we've talked to a lot of different staff in the city about what would be best for keeping the city up and protecting it and keeping it clean and then we also have the convenience of citizens and i guess that has been a difficulty of understanding what are the most important principles in making this decision and it seems to me that it will be harder to keep the city clean when you have cars parked along the side it will be harder to  keep the city safe because the law enforcement staff will not have clear vision when they can are at intersections and look down both roads to see if people are running through whatever they're trying to whatever the protective situation they're in they say that it's a lot harder if they have to look around vehicles i also think it's harder for children to be safe when they can  and out of traffic and you have cars it's that is harder i heard from people and during the trial period that it was hard for them to get driveways if people parked right close on both sides that it was hard to drive down some streets some people had one person had a mirror knocked off of a vehicle in a tight situation one woman talked to me that her neighbor was parking all the time right next to her house and not by parking all the time in the street by the neighbors house under the tree that her family had planted so that they could have a nice spot to park in the shade but the neighbor chose it and there's no way to change that they can leave it there the car there for days and that bothered her she would say that in public but she wanted to tell me that i do think i have trouble with hope college students understanding when we first talked about this it was going to start halfway through may and partway through august or maybe the end of august and then somehow we went into september and now we are going into october i does think we add to the amount of time it's hard to keep the streets clean we get closer to the leaf pickup it's discouraging for those who are told to keep our streets clean harder it's harder for them i do think it's going to take its toll until the planes and how motivated people are to keep those lanes up if there are always cars parked in front of it it won't it won't look as nice they won't care as much i'm not saying that the whole world is going to go down the sewer if we pass this and it's not going to be an immediate change it'll be a slow change but i do think we are giving up some standards that countries in europe wish they had retained so we are if this goes through we are making a choice for convenience and we are ignoring some other things that i think we may regret so my vote will be now and that's my little statement anyone true i think it's got some good points or i think it's worked out really well last summer but some of the complaints that we had was like cars on both sides we haven't really ever you know really haven't changed that so if you know especially around the whole college area she's mentioned you know i think i'd rather have the odd even system i know the st pete's too complicated for people heck they can remember i thought things that can remember passwords they can really do anything they want and it would keep people from just parking on that same side of the street and somebody from somebodies front yard or the curb area and it would it would cause those cars to move there so also i think especially around her college if you go to october fifteen students are going to have those patterns classes are going to begin parking is going to be encumbered because it's just not going to be there for especially commuters so yeah i think there are some know just just a thought and i like the proposal as it stands and again i don't i won't get into discounting any the comments made i i said this in our study session and i believe in my heart of hearts and i believe it even more because we considered something earlier tonight relative to streets in one side and making sure that there's thoroughfares for those narrower streets  when they get congestion and it came from traffic committee and they recommended lo and behold a couple spaces have either restricted parking for those purposes or they move to just one side such as we're considering and have considered over realty school and now we're considering it by vanderbilt and so for the whole college area there where there are some narrow streets rather than go to odd even in my opinion quite frankly i think that would lead to a bit more confusion than  than we really want with this i'd rather see those things go specifically with a narrow focus to the traffic committee who can bring us a recommendation for one side and by and large we prove those when they bring those to us with the good rationale so that would be my hope ok thank you then we drop down to i don't fifteen communications from the city manager i three items we had some individuals ask questions about how holland can win the the georgetown community prize married provide a tip every meeting so here goes this is not the professional this is just kind of something that people should know about and then we'll do something more attractive in the future especially with the video team that matt matt heads up but people can close off the second one is to get energy for innes a furnace tune up from an energy consultant and if you do so your name will be potentially drawn for a free smart thermostat and that will be done  after the heating season is over so time is still there is still time secondly i want to just make sure i emphasize the fact that two things were acted on my counsel night that i have sometimes produced community input and other communities certainly and that is one street and it's design considerations so you want to emphasize for people watching that if two way street traffic is something you always wanted on portions of one street  always felt uncomfortable walking down to the water's edge then pay attention to this and if you on the other hand feel there's something you know that's inappropriate about having people walk or or  you birds or whatever at the water's edge in your neighborhood then that's something you need to pay attention to to and let us know and work with edgewater so the last thing i'd like to say is i want to compliment the human relations commission and all the members of the commission and especially help from mayor dexter with extra chairs and that was appreciated and commented upon and so that and plus tonight you observe yourselves i just really appreciate the fact that so much has happened especially this week and  unites the community thank you brian and i was actually good for something i can set up chairs of the best of them no nice problem to have we had a full house at the early one the lunch meeting and so we put out some more chairs and i something natural that says if it's black and white you think it's a long time ago and these are you know strange people living in different worlds and you just kept hard time relating when you see the color photos you say wow this i recognize places like that and people like that and could have been yesterday not long ago so you know kudos to like all of the comments you made ryan h r c n n special thanks to hayworth for their sponsorship of having a mr klein here and for him displaying his photographs and really for the community coming together for that really great great event also echo the graduations tonight of our social justice social justice award winners and it's you know a good event in the life of our city and obviously it happens during this week for a very particular purpose and that is aligning one of the things we do with martin luther king jr day you can get ahold of us as always city hall and dot com we try to put as much information on that city website as we possibly can including contact information for all of us so please do not hesitate to reach out to us by phone by e mail whatever it is some of us tweet some of us have facebook pages some of us use facebook pages so as to let them live there sort of  nonetheless we want to hear from you as to what's happening in your world and what you're thinking about this city let's see a couple of coming fings recently passed things i as was mentioned earlier have the privilege of being at the state of the state address last night and i'll be candid typically i'm not one who watches those things with great regularity i prefer to read the cliff notes version but there is something about the pomp and circumstance of you know here you you leave a very bitterly contested campaign and you know in the campaign season people say things that you know you probably would not say to one another face to face and yet you come together in a spot like that in a republican governor comes into the diocese area into the into the house the well of the house and democrats as well as republicans standing of cheering welcoming the governor in and this year of course he could not come in all the way down because of his achilles tendon injury and  chance to do this when when governor granholm was governor but i have to believe that the reception she received was virtually identical from republicans is what the republican governor received from democrats so it's one of those days that even in the midst of you know partisan bickering and sniping and those kinds of things it's a day to the to be proud of the system and the form of government that we have and think we don't have anything that sort of activity that happens here which is one of you know the governor mentioned that compared to to washington lansing looks functional and i would take that one step further and say compared to us here compared to lansing we look incredibly functional and i think that in large measure is because we are very very functional so it's a pleasure to serve with all of you and that brings me to my final thing  tonight and i have a photograph from ten years ago today ten years ago today was it was the day that i was sworn in actually to to be the fifth ward council member  and my wife looks younger i look as stupid as ever and my children are just you know super small at that point where they're maybe keep exactly six and three at that particular moment so i just happened to to bore was probably going through small papers found a copy and it sort of dawned on me that it was in fact ten years ago and today was the day so it's been a real treat and pleasure to serve this community in this way you don't take it for granted you know some of you have been around for you know multiples of ten years and others not quite that much but i think that's one of the benefits we all are very different people come from not just different person the city but sort of different parts of life different perspectives and yet we come together and we don't always agree on things as was shown again tonight but we do so in a spirit of understanding that reasonable people can differ on most everything and we vote he agrees sometimes we disagree other times we walk away as friends and colleagues afterwards so with that i do workplace four years ago this week we also gathered over by help and rose there the musician statues in the middle of a blizzard to announce the pay it forward holland initiative and its launch and brian was good enough to find all the different media people and it was very well attended and it still is a website and i really encourage people to go to pay it forward holland dot org and you can print off a card or you can order cards and just think up ways that you can do something kind for someone help them or you can leave money with it at mcdonald's or a restaurant or whatever and just to have that person that you give the money to also give that card and then someone will receive your gift and and then i must card and they're encouraged to go to the website and see what this is all about and it encourages them to also do something good for someone else and if people in the chain all go back to the website to record what they did you can see the path of good and how one good deed encourages another so it may not be the kind of thing that has a lot of glitter and spotlights and clapping people but it is a real fulfilling rewarding thing to do in our culture and specially in today's world to think about somebody else and to slip a little card with it to encourage them to give to somebody else good any other comments communications from members of council tonights of their wise that we do have a thirtieth of twenty eighteen and last but not his last and least marvin martin of the neighborhood approving committee for a three year term said term expiring january thirty twenty eight eighteen i placed those before you for your consideration and first reading of section eight hundred twenty seven regarding the motor vehicles and traffic code motion please will be approved by way of support supported by hoekstra all in favor of that please say i will not pose the same