left it on my from the road right now and so when the sheets could be down just take the whole neighborhood out you know so i don't know whether there's a way to align that plus what we need to do to t v keep our community green you know as well so  so that's all captured there should point out there we're talking overhead these metrics also help show the value of underground so you know moving to an underground system to limits all of us and changes the met goal five cars aren't there and so you've got flat revenues you've got a lot of initiatives something's got paid somehow you got to pay for these initiatives which means rates go up unless you're lowering cost some other way  yeah so i mean there's a lot into the operational piece and i completely agree that's that's a key area for that balancing act of cost carries with wards but that's again that's why i want introduce this modeling tool after the fact to for all of the s it makes sense mr chairman to take it up again well i mean we can you know we can look through a provide feedback and then to discuss together what our feedback is rather than rushing through what's a very important initiative and you know public hearings in the spring and fall  be delayed a month so maybe we can provide you with some feedback in the meantime so you can progress and then we can pick this up again that would be helpful i just i didn't want to mess there in gauge in the workload of the actual so supporting report if we might be best to wait because perhaps if there's differing opinions or we want to incorporate it it's an evolving talks will evolve after march sixth as well right i think we need both as the title implies a light board advisory committees advising advice on this before we adopted you have your phones with ringers on please turn the ringers off if you want to speak to each other i would suggest going out of the room because this room is miked and camera and you will be doing in front of the entire town also we are going to be having community announcements first we're going to do then doing some comments for town residents for items not on the agenda there's an item on the agenda please wait we get to that item we have a very full evening police department relocation community path possible vote  update and hollywood comes to belmont so it's quite a night to start off with we've got some announcements we do have a bunch of slightly meetings coming up which are not necessary in the schedule but i would just tell you we're meeting in the morning at nine am on march first two department reviews for the budget march fourth we're having our usual seven pm meeting march eleventh a day they were doing another morning meeting with department has to go through the budget march eighteenth but usually march eighteenth at seven pm is our regular meeting april first is seven is our regular meeting and will be was deployed as final meeting it will hamper the board that we are looking at just so you know that we are looking to add an additional date to have another regular meeting just simply because of the amount of items on the agenda but we are working on a date for that  chance to meet jesse bennett write up started timothy flood let them hear your specific senior concerns and ask what they would do about them if elected and explain what you're looking for in the person who will be filling that seat transportation service that day will be extended to take people home after the for again monday march fourth two forty five pm at the beach st center and beach a fair proposal public hearing is february twenty seventh two thousand and one thousand from six thirty pm to eight thirty pm the city transportation building and bta board room second floor ten park plaza boston is open to the public is to comment on proposed fare increase to the t v you can submit written comments about the fare proposal through thursday february twenty eighth two thousand one hundred to mail them to the  ten part 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guidance departments and can be downloaded  the final filing deadline is for applying is monday march eleventh two thousand one thousand member to return both the application and the questionnaire to be eligible application is open to belmont residents only if you have questions please contact town treasurer floyd carmen right we have any comments from town residents for items not on the agenda tonight not on the agenda but so we will move on action by consent this will start off with a relatively small matter because the belmont women's club about whether it's acceptable to take free dance lessons under the ethics rules and we figured out that it is actually so long as the benefit to the town exceeds the value of the dance lessons so we've provided to the town information explaining the a ments benefits to the town of this fundraiser because the belmont woman's club is a five one c three we have no we pay nobody we're all volunteers as you may know we've been around since one nine hundred twenty we purchased the eight hundred fifty three home or house at sixty one pleasant street in one thousand twenty seven to save it from destruction a developer wanted to tear it down and build a house lots and we chose to save it and we been volunteering ever since to maintain and preserve it for the community we have lots of events during the year that are free to the public between lectures and we do literacy on the lawn every summer for the kids we give scholarships to the high school and we do an awful lot of things philanthropic and educational and so forth throughout the year and so we think it's pretty clear and we've spoken as well to patrice and alan cushman about how we believe that this money will significantly employees generally cannot accept gifts that value fifty dollars the the value of the lessons exceed that so we in the disclosure forms that are in front of you after each employee need to like the official and it's really just a way to sign let you know in case anyone is listening i want a lot of people to come certainly promoting the event which is why we're having you go for it so it's a great event and i was looking forward to it but i want to see the pictures of mark dancing video exactly if you go for you both can attend it's a wonderful you know organization i'm a part of it i think you gentlemen maybe members of i remember it was in the in the club the home house clearly beautiful is a jewel in the community but clearly needs vestment yes and upkeep while we're doing the paperwork here it's a discussion of temporary police department relocation a possible votes on the following a police vote to allow temporary relocation of the police station to the water department site indeed possible vote authorize the police station d p w building committee to manage and direct the temporary relocation of the police station to the water department site for those of you have your committee here if you wan right went ok so just tell us what's going on about the relook about the police station and where i'm sure when we were here two weeks ago we were still in the process of analyzing where was the best location to locate the police department we've had a lot of meetings we've done a lot of analysis we've investigated a lot of potential locations we have decided that the best place to relocate them is at the water department site although not the water department building so we are looking at all of the area around the water department building off of woodland street abiding the rest of the deed of your property we would put trailers down there for the office space for the officer in charge for basically all of the police police functions except dispatch dispatch i think as i noted when i was here before would be in a trailer across the street attached by a lot of cords and cable least one of the trailers on the water department will be accessible to the public so that people who need to come and speak to the police will have a place to go and there will be a sort of office like environment in that trailer we hope down the water department works for us because there are water and sewer hookups already there there's plenty of parking there's the ability to enter into a grass from a variety of streets so we think it will work there's also you know internet and telephone and all the other kind of wiring is already down there as well and ingress and egress hasn't been determined yet as far as the traffic flow that not it's it to be determined detail yet and that's what we're talking about today is is is is is identifying the water apartment as a temporary location for the police and then empowering this committee to work that all out the details we're not going to micromanage the committee because they do agree but i mean there are a number we've pushed the bid back a little bit because this has taken us so long to work through so we are anticipating moving still moving the police department down there in june to have them sort of up and functioning by july first we're going to need the trailers down there sometime in may how long would they be  up the calendar for construction is ten months but realistically we're looking at a year we are actually going to rent the trailers for eighteen months with an option to get out of that lease or rental earlier  discussion between myself and one of the vendors and he fax that to existing if he forward me that package showing what he has existing in his yard today if we were to go with thirty six months is just probably a carryover from a previous cut in our family thank you and so just i know that you've had this meeting a few last month and we talked about this we didn't have any detail when you were going to come back and just for the public this is all right and so it's a relatively short duration that is going to be there and it's very temporary that is an end and that as far as how everybody goes in and out of the location will be worked out through meetings you're going to meet with the public i assume in the neighborhood  all the details nailed down yes we'll have a neighborhood meeting will probably do something at the senior center as we've done in the past with the neighborhood to show them pictures to give them as much information as we have and so just so people are clear the vote that we have a new it's kind of written carefully in the in the agenda is that to allow the temporary relocation there we're not moving it there or allowing the relocation there in them or authorizing the building committee to manage and direct that process that's all we're doing as you might want to add a certain thing and it's up to you or matt is that it appears we may need to still use the auditorium here in the town hall for life story so that it will be storage but it will be storage that needs to be may need to be  something that you can accommodate yeah i mean i just learned this today so i'm assuming it's a company can accommodate like the chief said that we have cancelled any renting of that space or use of that space i think past the spring so it w that was january thirtieth so they could watch the meeting and then the town leafleted i don't know the exact number but maybe three hundred of the residents and i followed up with a little more detailed information and some of the residents are here so if i hear concerns i'm happy to be a person that they can turn to i can raise it with the with the committee and the relevant departments you know we did receive just for the record today we received petitions the residents of woodland street in some of butters we're talking concern basically are using wooden street as a negress but as we know we don't know what the egress particularly is going to be whether that's safest neighborhood in town i would think if you're there people are moving our community policing the last throughout the title a little more dramatically and probably intended for you know there's anything else  on the topic of the relocation of the police  good evening i'm arion goodman tami member precinct three i'm also a resident of woodland street i am here representing a number of people that are included in the letter that you received today who could not be here this  evening the reason we use the term inappropriate is because we are going on the assumption that the board of selectmen is unaware of the agreement between the town and the residents of woodland street that dates back to the one nine hundred sixty s we are assuming that the building committee is aware of it through their due diligence from the past couple of weeks but the original agreement is for water department use only and so the grasses for water department vehicles only the director of the d p street but the highway department and the like department are not authorized to use the street so any change to that agreement has not been discussed with us nobody has approached us about making an amendment so at this time we feel that it's inappropriate for a vote to be made with the assumption that would would be used in a great as a negress if a vote were made and and if you do vote in favor of it we would feel compelled to take legal action just as what your copy agreement is i i don't well it's a an agreement between two parties and since we're not interested in making an amendment the onus is really on the town of that agreement so we can look at the agreement would be in the town hall records is me from your area sorry the we have done our due diligence pretty much all day looking for this document we've been in contact with peter cassidy you know and he does not have that document and  he at that time had asked for a copy of that document i believe is two thousand for gone through the town clerk's records the water advisory board records the water commission records our own d p w records if he was and so the agreement actually predates him but he was aware of the agreement when we moved to when our family moved to england st i had communicated with him for guarding the vehicles along with one street  and and he was actually the person who had taken the initiative to remind the town employees which egress they needed to use and the agreement has always been that the light department is prince street the water department is woodland street and highway woodland is a private way was because in exchange for allowing the water department to use woodlands street as an egress when that building was built when they moved from one fifty six waverly street  and purchased the land adjacent to the town yard at thirty five which what the what later became thirty five woodland street the agreement between the town and the residents was that in exchange for allowing eat grass for water department vehicles that the dirt road would be paved and the residents would receive snow removal and garbage from of all we do snow removal in gov move along private ways and this is before i was born i'm just i'm telling you what the residents who were on the street at that time have the what they really mean i understand as we said earlier the best piece of this has not been worked out in the building committee is committed to doing public meetings with the neighbors to work out however this is going to work for that up to twelve period it may be going on we certainly don't want to do anything that i think that's illegal on the other hand if you had a copy of the greenman or of seen it it would be really helpful because it sounds like no one on our side has i don't know if you're from a peter casting or is father the senior minister he has to me james you know i'm referring i'm a frank to the neighborhood in terms revise an agreement perhaps to could be reached some kind of understanding terms of access for temporary purposes for the police station or is it just there's an agreement where this is what it is and we're not in favor of i don't know your point of view is unclear to me because they were you says that we don't think it's appropriate because we haven't we believe a legal document in place between the neighborhood in the town that says that the only way you know the town apartment it could access  is the water division and now we're looking to put it temporarily for ten to twelve months a police station to renovate this station is not permanent you saying that it's not appropriate because the document doesn't outline that we need to revise the document or you saying that it's not something just to the residents of scientists or are your favorite of so we feel area to many members precinct three we feel that it's not appropriate because it will be setting a precedent  for uses other than the water department in the future and although we are certainly open to dialogue to discuss in an amendment to the green with the part of selectmen with the town we feel that making a vote without having that dialogue with you would be inappropriate  paper they're printed on so we need to find the document if there is in fact a written document we need to see the written down with no one can find it i start to wonder you know it may just be some apocryphal story that people have been acting this way but it doesn't mean that it was actually signed although i don't know maybe meetings you know we received a letter i think in what two thousand and four day it was a letter to the board of selectmen from woodland street residence about traffic on that road and we went in we from that point of december second two thousand  two thousand and nine we we looked at all the second minutes from that point and we didn't see anything so it was never discussed again if you find are fine minutes from this board back in the day that would have that we would love to see them not true i'm not trying to say that this isn't true we just we need to see some proof that said i think the building committee is going to have this process it may be that will the road isn't used in this whole thing is moot i think if we access through the housing authority then it's a non issue i don't know what we're voting on right there just to be clear is not the we're voting on to allowing the temporary relocation to that site and then voting to authorize the building committee to manage and direct that which would be the public process and getting the resolved so i were not voting on woodland road is going to be the building for me to be entered direct to temporary real cation a police station to the water the partner site and you want to do this third one as well the third one is to allow town hall auditorium to be used by the police department for live stores well had to motion so you can just for further discussion presumably would woodland road matter continue to be investigated you know into it with an agreement or not as part of your public hearing process i guess yeah well i mean there's the impact every intention of working with the neighbors and that it's always been our intention and it was our express intention that we would ensure to have a meeting with them in march so we are not at the point now this evening where we have the detailed information understand now we're just share with them clearly now this is a new wrinkle so yes someone needs to investigate but it becomes a chicken and egg problem where you you have to we have to give you some direct we have to give some direction as to where this is going to be so you can then move on and the other hand you don't want to move on and then we say i want to put it over here so this h department there was a process of a lot of research i clearly you put a lot of time into it and it seems like it's a good idea and i think that the details you can work out with the neighborhood fairly oh i'm sure we can work with the neighborhood yet judith is absolutely on top  just reticent to now being you know legal research i need somebody else to do that we are way too steeped in trying to relocate this police station and i want it to be done right to respect the residents and what their concerns are so i'm hoping that there's someone else in town government that we are continuing investigate whether there is such an agreement emery has some point which will do i do that and could a request go out to the residents who signed this letter to see if anyone has a copy of it could that be something that we presumably someone must have a copy i mean i would have i would imagine that if we sent the board back and what date it was sixty days signed an agreement that would be part of public record have to be in the minutes in the minutes are part of our go into this short presentation here this is so i'm assuming that a good chunk of people here talk about this issue this is a this is a matter that is been going on for months before the board of selectmen we have we're trying to make a decision on whether or not to change the route to be clear in two thousand and seventeen parr group had finished up its process with the public and stakeholders made a recommendation and through with the c c p a c p act and with voted route as we sit here today the what we've done is new information came to light last year and the of then reopened this discussion to determine whether that route should be changed in light of some new information just briefly one of the pieces is when we voted twenty seventeen we were into the we were told that the route had to go under the underpass in order for the underpass to get paid for it turns out in fact the underpass could be paid for without that happening and those are separate so the route doesn't have to go through the underpass is not to say it can't it just doesn't have to the second piece of it was that there's a development in cambridge which might be doing something linking up with with trails over to el wife and that would be more on the south side of the tracks in the laid out safety concerns for crossing bright street the south side of the tracks because then people would have to cross over the railroad tracks to get to the north side where the existing path is in cambridge on the other side of brighton street and that they preferred going on the north side straight across so that way the path doesn't have to cross the tracks so with all that new information we then reopen this process we've got a lot of public meetings some of many of you have been here before many of you are new all good and all welcome thank you for being involved this is democracy so we are but however we do have to make a decision we have to have a grant in front of the state right now we have a c p a application in front of town meeting it's going to be going to spring town meeting in may for the this path and if we're going to design it we need to actually have a route that we can tell people to design and for going to get this this grant we actually have to move make sure we have the route we file the grant with the route that we vote in twenty seventeen days legally that's the route we've got that said we were here  at our meeting in january and we had the department transportation here in the bta was here they did say we could always amend that application midstream if we voted to change the route so we're talking about we're not talking about establishing the route just to be clear we're talking about changing the previously voted route from about a year and a half ago so that is where we are though we've been getting a lot of information we've been getting a lot of e mails from everybody saying go north side go south side so what we did the last piece of information i really wanted to see is from the pair the park group that did the initial work with the public and all those meetings and spent a year or so doing all this and came up with the root recommendation originally was if you knew then when you made the recommendation twenty seventeen these new facts that we know now would you have changed your recommendation because that i think a member of the public and we have one of our big public meetings over in the auditorium i forget who it was but someone actually asked that question and i was thinking that's actually a really good question so we reengage par group to come back just look at that narrow question that if you have those three new pieces of information that i outlined if you knew those then you know now would you still be recommending the same route and so here tonight in these are from parr group archer to tell us the answer to that question and then we will move forward and thank you adam as always great to be here thanks for having me i spent a good bit of time going back through the original presentation materials items that we had outlined in the original report the matrix scoring that was developed over nearly a two year process with the public stakeholders the town in coordination with the agencies and elements that most impacted the ranking of the alternatives on the north side the south and looking for more time at brighton st at the last meeting i was at a few weeks back we had some concern raised from the m bta as well as concerns raised by the public for pinch points on the north south side in the south side  so i do want to point out that all of those concerns were previously identified in the feasibility study so some of the information that came up at the last meeting although we focused on it very specifically had been included in the feasibility study they were elements that were known as far as distances from the rail to the buildings in the amount of interaction that will take place at brighton st so i'm just going to quickly go through some of the pros and cons of the north side in the south side that what us to our regional decision and then discuss a little bit of whether any of that has changed and if we think we should alter the the route is it was originally recommended in approved as you mentioned so both segments  ran along the north side from alexander avenue to brighton and three eat eat eat three b which ran along the south side had challenges it's not like there's an easy drop in the bucket or a low hanging fruit where we can just say this is a quick excessive bowl element let's put it here so the challenges on the north side included the location of the path itself has an identifiable location on the belmont citizens form property and partially on the m b t property as with the dagger those two lines this is actually a little bit farther east so the primary area starting at alexander and starting to approach this area at brighton street would be on a staggering of those two properties while the property is eligible for use for the path it's access is somewhat complicated fire and safety departments both identified that they need access to both the path once it's constructed and the rail line so putting the path in between the rail line in the chaining residents would require the fire and safety to go through private residences to access the path and they would have to go through the private residences in the path to access the rail line if they ever needed to for an emergency on either so the amount of interaction that we had with all of the residents along there indicated that once the path moves to design there's a good variety of what could come of the cross section there but there's a solid chance it would include some retaining walls and if the fire and safety need to surpass those retaining walls you need frequent intermittent access points b gates staircases something of that nature that would allow them to to get over the retaining wall to access the path and beyond it as i mentioned the rail so there was that element included in the cost as well as the accessibility once you get farther from the belmont citizens form your approach the frontier mahoney property which is what i am showing here and that's the white building on the top yes yes so on north side of the tracks just as we start to approach brighton street this building that french mony owns is about twenty three and a half feet from the outer rail so looking at what mast are currently outlines for offsets from trails adjacent to rails you need a fifteen foot offset to the path itself and then paths are supposed to be a minimum absolute minimum of eight feet recommended minimum of ten feet based on current ashville guidelines anywhere where a path is going to allow passing it is actually recommended that the minimum be eleven feet so we're looking at what could potentially fit here between the french ammonia building and the rail would be that twenty three and a half feet could accommodate an eight and a half foot paved path directly up against the building in order to get the fifteen feet away from the rail between the path and the rail a solid wall needs to be constructed also based on masses current standards for the rail trail adjacent to rail and part of that is you know as the train comes by if any debris is shot up or anything like that there's that solid separation so it's not any direct impact to someone on the trail itself in a half can be paved i'm sure you're aware that you're probably not going to ride directly up against the edge of that building a typical offset is eighteen inches from a vertical obstruction to a use so you can pave all the way up to the building and if someone ever had to in an emergency they could drive down that because we were still looking at fire and safety being able to drive along the path itself in the instant that that ever rose but realistically you're probably looking at  usable space of about seven feet and many people say all right well let's just pass the building which is what fifty feet but we tried to look beyond that french mahoney is currently utilizing this entire property including the easement agree exactly so the easement has eligibility for the use of the path if that is accommodated for the path so now that that area is reallocated french mahoney's using everything beyond that it's realistic to assume that there will be a fence on the french mahoney side between the rail between the trail and their operations for safety purposes so you'll have the solid separation between the rail and the trail and then i think it's reasonable to assume a fence separation between the trail in the front to mahoney operations so the pinch is not just at the building it really is the six hundred foot length of that  property that you have that pinched down to a ten foot between you know a vertical obstruction vertical obstruction shy distance gives you about a seven foot usable space always done hundreds at six hundred feet six hundred feet of looking at they would have to basically get past that stretch to then be able to stop their vehicle to access and help anyone along that and to be clear an ambulance or police truck could get down that seven that seven well it's going to be ten  to be ten between the fence or wall of the building and solid separation to the rail you will have a ten foot opening but we are saying that is you ride a bicycle you're not going to ride right up against that right exactly so once safety told us that ten feet is not wide enough for them to open their doors and it does it was you know exactly so if there was an emergency beyond the french i'm only property they could drive past that property and access another point but if there was an emergency right in there they would have to stop before the actual key for the existing crossing of the rail is right at the edge of that easement so there will probably need to be some negotiation with f r a to relocate the gate which i'll get into we're probably going to be looking at some modifications that location anyway so that might be a moot point so then on the south side again this is just the pitch the first i'll talk at the point directly coming out of alexander avenue it would utilize the high school property which we know is being redesigned through the m s p a process current design has assumed that there may be some space needed for that that was in the current plans that are available online there's a stri being identified on that northern piece not that it has to be for the path but you know should the path be approved to go there there has been some allocation and then the other elements of the high school designed around it so would come under the underpass utilize the high school property houses that were easier and utilized actually on the campus or along along the campus well the interaction between the two obviously would need to be designed but i'm saying that the current design of the campus has yes that separates the rail from the school property ok all right so you have to be beyond that fence but the school design is not it's not precluded right nor but more is met with the school department the time of the old high school there was we would need to ultimately get the school committee i would say to us to get comfortable with this if we were to go on the southern southern side because it is ultimately their property without speaking for the committee i think it's safe to say in the past there has been some support but it's a new committee we have to go through that process then the design of the current high school does accommodate as you say a path some concerns have been raised of late that there are some points there that we should investigate relative to the be some amount of work that we would want to do with the u s b c to make sure that they're fully accommodating but the design of the high school did invasion you know that's not the largest problem of the sound science so so getting past the high school property right we agree to new towards brighton street and again on the south side there's a building that is rather close to the tracks so the north building that currently has a few operations including the creative scape  is just under twenty three feet from the rail so technically to have the fifteen foot offset in even an eight foot path would not fit so historic use of this building was that the rail coming eastbound actually had a spur they came into the building there's still a loading door on that west side and so there were some rail movements in nodded there and now that it has become used by p north and that particular space by creative scape reached out to the town and looked at what they had on record from creative ski that back bay currently listed as vacant space so other areas for their current even the minimum path with so require some impact to the building but that seems very feasible based on the original use of the building the structure of the building as we've been able to see it so far and the current occupancy in use is not take the wall is now a new x terrier wall would be built we're anticipating the pier coat north would continue to own the building obviously some negotiation needs to be struck about you know what it is that worth for that small impact to the ancillary space and the existing function of the crews keep within the building we believe could also remain these are negotiations so you think based upon your understanding that yes so looking to come down without compromising the overall structure right we have not done a of the entire building those generally something that happens in design but looking at preliminarily the plans on file the way the building is laid out and the use of that we believe that that one just out of the building could be removed remain obviously a negotiation would need to be reached between the town we're talking about a cure taking which could be a big or negotiation taking would be significant i would never support that for a while that's who are saying we think it's very feasible to not take the building you have an impact to the building that would require would be part would it be possible to just take down the short walls and tunnel through i was on the high line in new york where they have the old rail elevator rail line that's now a trail and some of it actually goes through buildings or there used to be you know things like this and they just took the front of the back down and left the tunnel and you just go through that one of our meetings we mentioned that we think that could actually be a pretty cool feature of the path the wall that is there now could serve as a solid separation between the rail and the users i mean it's up to those negotiations i don't know if that's something that would be amenable to create escape i mean could they actually have people drop off at that location i don't know so those are things that need to be worked out in design but we're not seeing any reason to think that we could not have that minor impact to the building and keep it keeping in mind that that this encroachment on this side was in place we understood this  twenty seventeen we voted north side cross over to the south side yes isn't this isn't the new information on this is just stating the situation and that's why i want to cover this first these pinch points and these challenges are not identifying considered they are not new information we did say that if this if this could not be if an agreement cannot be reached with that owner after you picked the south side because that's the point where you want to go have the conversation you know you're selecting that the paths should go there now you move forward with any acquisition that you need it's not the only property that requires an easement or a ship to take for the religious right or opportunity there for us you know if we were to pursue a gentleman you know for the high school campus and that's that's a huge what if but if we could ever get more expensive what if what if but certainly certainly the expansion of that has to campus for the next hundred years to me would be a  hear about the incinerator and perhaps to rick not be able to go up there any longer for a rink or some other sort of aspect you know that could work for us for at the time when you go shade on the site for the substation i think the price was like six million may have happening like in cushing square the bradford where they had you know you've told brothers which is a national company which knows what they're doing in development they do their due diligence they say one point nine million dollars contamination from this little little small part of the building dry cleaner they go tear the building down  laid it out you would take that small portion of the building that does give you the opportunity to put in the full with of the path with its offsets and be at least fifteen feet from the rail if we take a walk yes if we were negotiate to take a small portion of the building yes so in the original report we said if that negotiation could not take place once you get into design if there's just you know enough of an opposition from the owner that that doesn't happen there is an opportunity to go down hinge your street at the east end of the high school campus although that does not rank as high you then end up with crossing the large driveway for the  has very frequent vehicles entering and exiting during your primary peak hours so during the morning you could injure as part of that and there was you know we did look ahead injuria so we said that if you know you come south side and can't get past this then you go look at you know putting in sidewalks and putting in you know safety measures there because it's going to be incredible amount of traffic going to that site did you take a look does the property the pier go property go to the fence there because that space that while it's not a sidewalk separation between where the curb is or the curb area and the fence is not very wide in of itself so i don't know if the fence really represents the edge of the property but it doesn't seem like there's a lot of space there to turn that into a path provide for a ship they actually had to serve a few miles in either direction of all the properties along there to determine where the proper was because people put up fences well we know in this it too turned out that everybody along this entire stretch their fence was on the m b t property in the u k got the survey came back took everyone's fence down and moved it to a lot of people lost parking a lot of people lost yard and i was concerned about that section on the fence it's hidden your part if you actually drive down hidden there's not a lot of sidewalk there there's not a lot of space between the to so approaching hit it right in st now if you do go down hit enter that's the that's the visual on the left we actually recommend that you cross at that cross walk that it become a signalized crossing you cross to the east side does have more room and then existing fitchburg in the north east path coming in as we looked at either the north or the south and then as we've been kind of discussing potential although it obviously wouldn't be in the next few years but in the future that there may be passed on the southeast side as well towards future development in cambridge so when we assess brighton street originally we just looked at it as an accurate crossing assuming that you have residence on the south side you have residence on the north side they walk up and down b street now people will be accessing this path from either direction and people will be crossing brighton street that are already on the path so at the time we assume you're going to have people at a net rate crossing crossing north to north south to south north to south and south to north so you're going to have some people crossing the tracks and you're going to have some people that you know go in one direction with additional development into the future in cambridge for a path that's being designed to last fifty plus years i think we can't assume anything other than there will be more development there so i think the amount of people that you have crossing is only going to increase in the future so we recommended that this entire intersection be assessed and redesigned to improve the safety on all accounts at the last public meeting we had a couple weeks ago with you people brought up the concern of the cross walk from the fitchburg cut off path being just be on the rail so if you're traveling northbound you go past your stop bore bar you get onto the tracks and then you have to stop to yield to pedestrians that's an extremely unsafe situation for motorists honestly we would recommend that this entire intersection be signalize for all approaches that there's a vehicle signal that there's a pedestrian signal of the radio already has a signal and it has gates i do believe that this could be designed to be safer than it is today intersection of brighton injure yes whether the trail crosses or doesn't cross there are appropriate ways to make sure that you have people moving across here safely because they're going to need to do it whether the path crosses or not so i know at the last meeting from the end bta said that he hadn't seen every possibility that you could have to help  alleviate concerns here and his concern was basically just to reiterate for anyone that wasn't here at the last meeting or hasn't read the letter from the m b t a his concern was that a person was approaching parallel to the trail on the south side and then the fitchburg cut off path is on the north side they would have an opportunity to cross at a diagonal without encountering any of the gates that are present for the tracks right and as we started discussing at that meeting through the redesign you could certainly make it salutes people are forced to encounter a gate before they would be able to cross the runway having a gate come down across the path we had mentioned you could you put one down perpendicular to the path we had shown here have the wall come as close to breaking street as possible beyond that wall put again so this is actually something on the left here in new jersey  i think this is something very similar to what could easily be done at the end of our wall separating the rail from the path you add a fence jump the people live a bit away you essentially dump the path onto a wide and sidewalk here's another example this one on the right is technically from new zealand so i did mirror the image to make it goes right a little bit easier for us to look at but this is essentially an area where a path approaches a sidewalk the sidewalk is wide and  example from another path actually new zealand who simply don't try to read the words i mean  this shows a shared use path paralleling the rail it comes separate from the rail a little with fencing which is those dark dashed lines you're forced to turn and come perpendicular to the rail there a gates coming down in front of so as the train is approaching you would have a physical obstruction as a path user from crossing the royal in a time when the train is about to pass the same way a motorist on the roadway has a gate that physically stops them from crossing when the train is passing so like i said it entails an upgrade to that intersection but i think it's an intersection that is worthy of an upgrade  so i wanted to put that out there so is it typical that there would be no opportunity to upgrade intersection like this as part of the path funding process yes yes so even and even even if the rail weren't there the volume that you have on right industry in the volume that we're anticipating on the path is likely going to warrant full signals ation we're currently doing this with the wall fam design they have a couple of roadways that have high volume including lexington street and we're putting in awful signals ation to make sure that you have that visual cue to all users the path is about to cross vehicles should stop and there was some apprehension because people are like well there's already so much traffic you're going to add another signal i'm going to be even later but realistically if you have to stop for forty seconds and there was already that much traffic in front of you the guy in front of you moved one hundred twenty feet and you're going to  so we've gone through the analysis on very similar intersections not necessarily with the rail crossing there as well but just the vehicular path conflict in and of itself lends itself to having a signal as it moves into design so we did take another look at this in our professional opinion this whole intersection should be redesigned to improve the safety of all approaches and all users and a north to north  half option really does not have much difference at this location wants to designed appropriately so just for the public to be clear if you knew them what you knew now to change your recommendation on the path  from the one that we voted which was on the north side under the underpass to alexander avenue on the south side going to brighton street right so so so in finale and i want to point this out quickly using the twenty three point criteria that was developed over this nearly two year process with public outreach stakeholder engagement town and agency coordination and all add i mean we met with them bta we met with master we met with the  and we got all of their input on whether we were doing something that raised huge alarms and the notion was always it can be designed appropriately there were no fatal flaws with the path that was recommended  i looked at that again that was one of the things i thought back on so the town has allocated funding for the underpass design the state has said that they don't need the path across there to get funding so we'll look back at it we did not give different scores to eat three a an ether based on funding or did not do when we got to the conclusion in the report we identified it as a potential challenge of the subsequent root that it may remove the ability to fund the underpass but looking since it looked very independently at the individual segments three anyway looked like you could be funded the three looked like you could be funded we did not have differential there so we have to take care of that pure coke issue yes yes so i want to reiterate something you said during the last portion of this it's hard to negotiate with an owner until the path is supposed to go there so looking at the steps that this would need to take we had recommended that that be the route you endorsed it you're kind of looking to reinforce that the c evening i suppose that then enables the town possibly with the help of master they said that that's a possibility to start real negotiations with that property that's essentially one of the first pieces of design like i said any route that chosen is going to have property that you move into design that may force you to move one way or the other even if you chose north you could get into borings and find out that their source i mean that no matter what we choose there's always foot i mean it's always contingent upon what happens when you start actually doing the work right independent of that can you describe the cost comparison between the north south yet north route versus the south route so in our original assessment we didn't look at right away because we had no way of really the fair value of any property or the extent of that a property that you may be impacting so we didn't look at right away and we had just the construction costs of the path itself assuming you could be in that location the south side has minimal cost if you're on the high school property and then that piece of the building is removed you're literally just coming in and paving the path in a fairly level ground but but for the cost of the taking of these winter whatever that's the big thing so it was i that's a don't think i have that number from the very believe it was under a million for a stretch on the south side on the north side we were looking at costs up to as much as five million because of the amount of information that was given from a butters to one of their view sheds would be what the visibility would be and the fact that it seems there is a high chance there would taper off the retaining wall to just over from grade right but the cost of that it was nearing five million so we were looking at about a four million dollar differential between the construction costs of the south side and the contraction cost of the owns an easement along the green stripes right there right it's in the in the purpose of that i've seen these with the purpose of that is for putting in a path and i've seen read these meant why would they take that that strip if it's not big enough enough  i'm not sure and we've met with them so there are different there are different standards around the nation as we've looked into things more and more to see like our mascot standards more strict less strict is there any real way could we say well they're doing this over here in mass when we met with them bta during the feasibility study that was part of the reason we sat down with them they said that they have seen a lot of other states that identify the amount of space they need from the cent of rail but that doesn't get them enough they need from the outer rail to the inside of that wall a minimum of twelve feet for their maintenance away for their for their vehicles that are going to maintain the rail so i don't know if that standard changed from when the easement was outlawed it wasn't that want to go but that is the current information from the m t a about what they need for their minute in order to keep their tracks safe to maintain their tracks to replace anything or access anything that needs to happen along that route so just to go back circle back to the ultimate question then which was the if you knew then what you knew now would you recommend a change in the route the answer is you would not or not recommending a change in the route understood first place would be sound so second place would be northside third place would be head injury or not at all well no we can't it's not on the rolls not an option to rec could be a lot of without question i mean we know this already the access point to the high school will be directly across from trowbridge so there could be a boatload of cars in the neighborhood i mean even if you made a one way or something you know it doesn't it's the idea was to separate the cars and the bikes because we don't want someone killed like was over the waverley right we're trying to separate them out if you put it on that insurance on the bike path it's a bike lean we have a bike lean on conquer that that's not what we're building itself so i wholeheartedly agree with that with or better for me just to read from the from the letter but i call who has provided some guidance of us in the past regarding environmental factors disaster take a look at what we know about the environmental ret or yes so given that some of the suggestions that we've heard coming from par with only a good idea to have kind of look at some of the environmental concerns bruce is recommending that obviously it's going to have to be further  investigation into the say he's talking about a phase one environmental assessment by d p i think bruce was just looking at what's on file currently with d p and you know i can ask him to put together some type of cost estimate just based on what's there now and he came up with some of the issues being the that would be on the pier kotsay and he's estimating about a five hundred thousand dollars cost to the town obviously depending on the intensity of that and that's just a starting point we haven't  itself it's the area around the building we had explained to him the taking the taking but the wall tearing down of that just small slice of a building the other question that we had which we haven't really got an answer sees in the ground water should not impact the construction of a pathway over the northern portion of the property however there are significant future costs associated with the continue to suspend reporting to mass d p unlikely additional remediation treatment of the c v of the seas that could cost over five hundred that talked about the magnitude he does go on to say it is on it's unclear what level of exposure we would have prior to testing he also says that there are no there's no information on the pure co building in the mass contingency plan filings and there's very limited information on the then well i think what he's what bruce is suggesting is doing a phase one which would saw some of the self but i mean the problem of course is if we do if we choose to keep the path as it is we're kind of time on the path to the pure coach situation and that could be a very long delay well i mean the only thing i would say adam is that do we pursue based on par second recommendation for the south side to pursue that and then if not i mean i know it's part of the design looking at that and wall and then if not i mean you know this is this is setting the table for the next whatever number of years you know that we've merely just flip to the north side and just move with that but it's through the zine as you say we move forward on design understand the implications there is becomes pretty clear right up front gentlemen whether i'm here or not of the board that you can negotiate some successful not taking it would never support that if i sat on this board successful negotiation two on that wall and there's no humiliation there if it becomes apparent fairly quickly then you just flip to the know i'd love to hear the public prior to prior to know but i know a lot of you have been here before and probably already spoken and if you're going to say the same thing i've got to tell you we we hear you and i understand i've been we've been listening to this for since last summer i think this discussion and i went to i went to a lot of the park group initial twenty sixteen to twenty seventeen meetings and heard from everybody there i get we i think we understand  i don't want to turn this into a three hour discussion i mean if you've spoken before on this issue and you haven't changed your mind we gotta if you have never spoken before on this i would allow you to speak tonight on it and then maybe at the end we can just take a show of hands of north versus south just to see who's here tonight but as far as like everybody wants to get up and say i want the north around with the south if you said it to us twice already i gotcha we understand and we've been getting e mails from everybody saying north or south and all that i we believe me we we get we're reading everything i can se i mean everything i hear the arguments i understand and i have been you know lying awake at night on this issue for weeks so don't believe me i have i thought through this incredibly long and hard if there's anybody who's never spoken on this to us before in a meeting since last summer when we started this process if you want to get up and say something i'll give you a few minutes to do that y verses the the building life versus the six up overall six hundred foot length and whether there would be any opportunity to make the fence offset with where the building is so that you could actually have so that you would have six hundred feet of not being able to open doors like if that fence could be low enough to keep people from going into their property but high enough to open that was one question and the question was is there a big difference in the time frame for both of these for the south versus the north in terms of the negotiations to protect chinchilla remediation and the negotiations nations with the neighborhood i mean i have a three year old and five year old and i'd love for them to be able to write to high school close to five hundred fifty feet beyond the building since there is only the ten foot easement if the fence were going to be on the edge in line with the building and it was going to be set back that's going to require negotiation with that timing we're starting to mention phase one survey boring those are all things that would start with the twenty five percent design so whether you pick the south side or you pick the north side you're going to have to go through those explorations like you said the rail is there the state knows that most rail lines are contaminated you know you know this stuff about that building but there may be other stuff on the north side that you don't know there is some unknown in the soil on both sides so it's far as the initial timing of getting into all of that information it would be the same amount of work you would have to do if you were looking at the south side or if you were looking at the north side knowing what you know about either property in the fact that you would want to negotiate you want to start that as early as possible you spoke about before all this i have not no all right go for it my name is jay murphy i live one stellar road in belmont and a lifelong resident i just have a quick question regarding the feasible study where does everyone's opinion stand on that right now as far as you know the board of selectmen opinion as far as the feasible study that was done on th you whether you choose a north or south west we're talking about right now right i understand that but as far as you know i support the south side personally and it wasn't a feasible study done for which side of the end of choosing i didn't read the chairs i didn't speak on this yet and i'll be very quick first of all appreciate enormous amount of thoughtfulness appreciate you know appreciate that also the sense of imperative to make a decision and move forward did you at some point we just have to also appreciate the fact that you are start you are starting to exclude the hidden your street option which seems clearly to be the worst just the one thing that hasn't been mentioned tonight that i want to but i know it's been mentioned before but i just want to be sure it's  top of mind is we have the bypass or we have the community path already sitting on the north side taking it underneath so that it can then have to cross the railroad track at grade means that there is a r in intersection to make it safer it's a matter of it is always safer to not have bicycles crossing railroad tracks where you don't have to so i just i just wanted to mention that but i also really so my question was regarding the costs so you mention it's a four million dollars potential saving going on the south side and i see some advantages for excessive high schools in your high school on that side too rather than having to go through the underpass and wondering the reconstruction of said railroad crossing that's that money that would be required for that to make it safe you know like  with gates and whatever would that be then added to the cost of the bike who would pay for that and could be maybe even utilize for millions saved to build an overpass for the bike  i'm confident will warrant signals ation so that would be included in the design of the path itself and warrants transportation funding from the state we have other paths being constructed in the state that are doing similar things and it's part of the cost of the contraption the signal itself is not that expensive one of the ones we're doing in waltham is maybe around two hundred thousand with the extra gates for the rail and maybe two fifty to three hundred series looking  less than half a million compared to the other costs we're talking about on the north side and honestly as i mentioned you're going to have increased volumes of people crossing there whether the path itself those or not we would still recommend that signal is ations so i feel like that cost should be accounted for st whether you're powerful line is going to cross or not and the second question is overpass ok so yes we didn't yeah we didn't talk about it much tonight but we did look at that two options whether the path was on the north or the south should it cross brighton saint and if it was south to north the rail at the same time on an elevated structure that would need to be elevated be on both of these building pinch points to give enough separation from the rail and then it needs to touch back down it was essentially going to be i think it was over an eight hundred or nine hundred foot stretch  again fire and safety had huge concerns about it the public actually didn't feel like it would be much safer they felt like it would be secluded and hard to patrol so there were many elements about it plus yes construction funds are competitive process through the state and through for to get the federal transportation funds and if we don't put a desirable application forward the money is going to go to some other town for some other projects so it just because that which is one of the concerns why we reopen this process is when the m b t it comes and says we really think you ought to put it on the north side and they're the ones who could be recommending funding to us if we put it on the south side that you could just kill the whole thing in the competitive process now they came here in person and they kind of for several did a bit although through the bureaucrat speak what they really heard was put it on the north side because it was sort of you could do it on the south side if you wanted to but we'd really rather you didn't kind of they didn't want to say no because you can we can apply for whatever we want we can apply it up you know build a channel somewhere if we wanted to we can apply for anything but doesn't mean they going to fund it so you know i think i think it was pretty clear they would really rather us not do the south side because they just want to shoot straight across that was that was what they said of course we can apply for this outside and we'll get funded or we won't we'll find out it's a risk it did seem like they're thinking of volved and frankly it was a bit supporting that it did because i feel like it introduced some uncertainty but by the end what i was actually hearing was they were saying reworking the intersection is a huge concern here you've highlighted that seems to me like regardless of north or south we should probably signalize that intersection an overhaul is part of any process rights well there's a little bit of that going on later in our agenda to my right but it would seem like amendments that occurred in the early two thousand should you could limit as a legal expert on the matter but i've always understood it to be strict liability there are agreements equipment we can investigate that hopefully so anybody who has not spoken on this issue prior hi i'm jesse bennett tell meeting member precinct one member of the transportation advisory committee and member of the high school traffic working group i just want to bring up three points kind of increasing level about the safety in the existing conditions on hinder street but we also know that there are real limitations to what we can do there so i know that there have been ideas floated about making him your one way making it one way that switches part way through the day so it's one way in one part of the day one way out as a resident of that neighborhood i'm live on trowbridge street i would be very opposed to that idea i think it is unfeasible given the flow of traffic through the neighborhood so i just wanted to put that on the table i do think that hinder would be a low third choice the second thing that i want to discuss is that i hope that we can prioritize the safety of that intersection that crossing and it doesn't get bogged down in the design process i think this needs to be something that we address as soon as possible we've already had a recent death there it is clearly an unsafe crossing reading the report that you will be presenting later tonight it is still an issue that cars are stopping on the tracks due to the pestering crossed pessary and bicycle crossing there it is a live issue that has fatal consequences when there are errors so i really urge the town to not tie this to the process of designing the overall bike path because we know that that has been going at a glacial pace we really want that intersection to be safe for the third thing yeah either way yeah the third thing i just want to say is i urge you guys to make a decision one way or the other to my no that that's the intent i just want to say i get worried when i hear you guys going back and forth you know we need a decision so that the property owners the abiders the community path project committee can know what we're dealing with i think is a lot of anxiety in town regarding what's coming so i just really urge you to make a decision so that we can move forward and address the issues that come up in the design part of the project thank you thank you but he also has not spoken on the issues mr frank i have tried as frank i have a follow up on her question which is the five hundred fifty foot stretch on the north side she has to question about like the height of the wall and i don't think you answered that it's just like could it be a curb for that five hundred fifty foot so like doors can open and that kind of thing or does it have to be a eight foot wall which i don't think it would branch trying to give a level of and then the second question is just keeping looking at this map and some of the new zealand designs that you showed in the slides but crossings looked great and but it took a lot of room like you know to naturally curve the past two  you cross a perpendicular and do you have any sense i would be mostly a south side issue but you have a sense of like the space and that kind of thing around that there's beautiful crossings so between the trail and the front from any property i certainly wouldn't anticipate a solid wall i don't think you'd be in between a wall and a wall i think it would be a fence i don't know that it could just be a curve though i think that needs to be negotiated it depends on what operations are go be a budding i mean we need to make sure i mean the same way that there is a solid separation between the rail it's for the safety of the path you want to make sure that nothing is going to happen that's going to interfere with the people in the path so that's something that would have to be worked out i'm not sure i could answer that and then as far as coming through here it doesn't actually take much because what we would try to do is swing it just enough to widen the sidewalk significant we have it come into that and then cross it a perpendicular so you don't need much room it's all you needs to swing out in the curve because the point is you want people to stop right a picture you have of the black fence around the pole took a bomb very very little room right that doesn't take up a lot of room along i mean that's a very tight the great looks like what we've got going i mean that's probably a six foot offset if you take that portion of the building you're gaining like an extra twenty feet there we would definitely have room to swing it away so you pull away from the direct parallel and then turn yes laura  member precinct four i just have a couple questions i have their emergency vehicles that are smaller like that we could acquire like i don't know what they have on the high line but there might be another to get to that and then what was the actual score difference between north and south in the end in the report do you remember it seems like they were really close as seventy to sixty three seventy to sixty three ok and then the last thing when you were talking about the money the costs to belmont would be significantly higher on the south side because even though the north side is more expensive that money is eligible for other funding i just wanted to point that out and then just as a parent of two school age kids i still want to remind people that crossing the tracks is an unsafe option and i hear that from a lot of parents i just want to speak for parents thank you everybody else  want to make sure that at least everybody feels like we at least heard what your position is a know who's here tonight i think that's important to note i mean i want to whatever happens or i think everyone i hope everyone feels that they've been heard on this we've been doing this for months as you know i can tell you all these i've been agonizing over  reading back through everything that's been submitted over the past week or so in particular and i mean i'm out of the outcome obviously i hope everyone thinks that they've been heard in that we've thought this through and we're not just rationally making a decision the sad truth of the matter is it has to go north or has to go south and there's really it's kind of a zero sum game here at some level so we have to kind of make a decision and honestly we do have some deadlines coming up and we i have my opinions of your opinions on so the grade crossing was a concern of mine and of the team as well and i and i have a very close friend his name is david read it i think i may have mentioned it at some point to he was he's on the he's on the board of the east coast greenway al can create safety around that x ray which i think is primarily the concern of what i hear in folks that want to recommend what side i mean from my point of view the chair i mean we've had peer consulting look at this twice you've asked them the question have they changed their point of view based on the idea of the underpass and they have it so they continue to recommend the south side clearly challenges both of them have challenges i think the north side from my point of use more public safety issue because of the narrow which i was surprised by the mere witness of the path there for public safety vehicles i said it before we open up i think we should pursue stick with our original vote pursue quickly the op to me as you move to the zine whether we can negotiate something favorable  with the pure co property and understand the environmental concerns that if that's not don't go with the work of set a timeline and that you know as you move forward then i would support the north side but but i can't go against our expert consultants that yeah it's a tough one i mean i've gone honestly back and forth on this several times right i do think that there is a key issue around safety and i think regardless of what we do i think your recommendations and regardless of whether or not belmont funds it or we can fund it ideally through th through the community path development i think we need to substantially redesign and signalize that that intersection also need to appreciate the need for a decision but i also think it's sometimes worth taking extra kind of a couple of weeks to sort of fully explore things as i look at the north side in that six hundred feet of sort of relatively desirable old space it seems like that is probably less ideal for the user of the path and less ideal for public safety i also look at the cost and while i do appreciate that not all borne by belmont some of it certainly will in the design phases and as adam indicates the more expensive these projects are the more challenging it may be to secure funding i see some advantages to the south side in terms of the integration with the high school campus i think that may provide access to the path in a way that perhaps the north side won't give in the proximity to all that exists on that campus and ultimately you know believe we have to be somewhat deferential to the experts not deferential but certainly have to heat the guidance of the expert that do this regularly so i think from my perspective i'm at a point where it's a very very tough call i would encourage us to spend a few more weeks trying to work with your code to see what the options are i do think we have to talk to the school committee to make sure that they're comfortable with this if we have to consult with the high school building committee as well to make sure that this is is workable and i'd like to see us do a little more exploration in terms of trying to quantify the environmental risk associated with that degree that's that that's possible if it turns out that some of those are in many anyway prevent the south side from working than i think will make the north side work if you if you're going to go the south i'm going to vote would have to be contingent on school committee approval clearly but i mean i've been thinking about this a lot back and forth and i've been sort of going back and forth if you asked me a month ago i might have a different answer but i've sort of sort of coalesced over the weekend a bit as i've been going through this trying to think about what are we doing this for right so we're going back to the fundamental question i mean we're building this to be used by people to get out of their cars and travel right it's got to be safe because one fatality is too many as we've already unfortunately learned it's going to get funded in this state has already indicated they prefer the north versus the south so we do take a risk if we keep it as it is because you run the risk that the state doesn't have it right we know that now that it's not necessarily yes or no they're never going to say yes or no because we apply the go all the applications around the around the region for all the projects they rank them they vote in the appropriate money and you know you never know the south side might get funded it might not you want to put your best foot forward it's got to be buildable so when you're talking about dealing with the pure coke building enters into it a whole new sort of issue that we don't necessarily have to deal with it's got to be user friendly so people will use it and i think a straight line makes it user friendly in the way i was looking at if you take this and if you took anyone from around the world and showed them this map and said here's the here's the path on the right and you were going to continue it to the left where would you draw the line i'll bet you one hundred out of one hundred people would drive straight across it's just seems like design phase maybe you could work it out if it can't be worked out i'd be open to going on the south side of me i'm not i guess i've gone back and forth on this i'm clearly not you know one hundred percent clear it's a tough it's a tough call it's some level in the end the scoring was different but it wasn't like you know one hundred to five i mean it was close so i mean it's an extremely tough call and i would like to see the north side explored go through the design phase and see what happens and if it doesn't work you go to the south that is sort of like where your things go in t dollars going to town meeting in the spring for c p a money for the design of this segment we get one cannot design the segment if one does not know where this segment goes so i think we have to bow to this fairly soon likewise we have a grant  to offset some of the one million dollars and we had to put it in with a route and if we're going to change that route we are not we got to tell them like now because if we can get three hundred thousand or something from the state and that one million from the c p a goes down to seven hundred thousand and that is a big win that's money that could be used for other things so so we kind of don't have the luxury of time unfortunately on this although to be fair we've been doing this process since about last summer so i don't think time is necessarily i think we've given it a lot of point really i think that's where we have to set a timeframe they also haven't had that conversation i would also say that i right now also say that my vote i voted with you in twenty seventeen jim we believe we were in the midst in the fall of seventeen to go northside underpass outside at the a predicated upon understanding that we had to go under it to get the underpass i one of the underpass because that is a clear safety issue and if we got the underpass and for turned out the north the south didn't work at least we got the underpass and it was better than nothing now that they're separate i kind of want both because if you can get the underpass and you can get the path and the two don't link together the settings my expectations have been raised although that's a good thing that i kind of think we could get i would love to get the north side and the south side link it to the new cambridge plan and then you have paths on both side and you have the underpass to link the two would be awesome but obviously we can't do everything right now we don't want to spend like two years messing around with that with the creative skate folks and then we missed the entire tip process and then you don't know when the next one will come back or if one will come back for the federal funding because maybe there's a recession in the feds don't give us the transportation money the money's there now the state deal t he came here last time deity has given us a project manager for a project we don't even have that route you know final result we have a project that's how badly they want to go just to go through this funding around and if we go through this and we can't demonstrate we've enough control of the property i think that i understand that happens on projects but you usually have a l a y a lot of intend to purchase and say it's something you don't have just we will talk to them and maybe they'll say yes maybe they'll say no i mean hitting sure is just simply not stay five think we've sort of talk that that throughout is just to and i agree with amy i mean if if north or south doesn't work then you can jump to the other side you don't jump to insure i think that that would be a complete mess that the school we don't know what the school feeling is on the south side of move heard good things but they have never voted on it  do take to your point about access from the high school to the south side because if it's on the north side the students the high school would have to go around to get to the path which is really you know it's not hugely far because of the underpass access but it's not it's not ideal although i would imagine there won't be you know open it will be open ended and you have to go find a gate somewhere if you did it there the n p t s letter i was very concerned i would i don't know how i would live with myself if we got that i really like the part process i i was there putting stickers you know colored stickers on the various options i spent a lot of time going to those meetings and four for a lot of conflict with the war committee but i went to as many as i could and they were i thought they were really were run you guys did a great job and it started out with people saying absolutely no path whatsoever and ended with people sort of grudgingly on both sides agreeing to doing this this path which i thought was i was kind of wondering if you would ever get to that and you did which i thought was fantastic but it was always predicated even back in two thousand and seventeen it was always a goal we could switch over to the south side but then we have to do something with the pura cup building it was part of that discussion at the time and part of the discussion today is not new information however it's never been resolved i mean it's just a it's a bit of a tough situation on the so i don't know i mean i i would love to take the ideally we could take the pure coat and work contaminated you could put playing fields there and all that would be  get i think i think i think you need to set a time i mean i made some good points in terms of timing i mean from my point of view and it will be on the board you said a ninety day timeframe if you can't seem to get to any kind of reasonable conclusion and then you've decided generally you get to the end of twenty five percent design and then start negotiations because you know how much of something you need or something like that i think since you're kind of at that well since you're kind of at that point you know what's that piece you have the ability to start  and even if i would use again the bradford is the cautionary tale that they are trying but toll brothers a very sophisticated big company that did do drilling bourne's came up with a number and it turned out to be twenty more than twice that when they took the building down and started digging up you don't really know what's under there too you tear the building down i have a client in another town that's doing the same thing where they did borings that looked ok they tore the building down it was much worse it happens all the time i've also had people do borings think there's something to the building down is perfectly fine but you never really know when you're not to know that's the problem i don't think that we could put this off we could put this up but we're not going to get an answer to this unless you actually i don't know acquire the building or get an agreement and that allows you to do that i mean other than that unless they let you in the building to drill holes in the floor you're not going to find that now you can do you know you can do your twenty one and look at the state on the on line in the paperwork you can go and drill i guess on the on the dirt but that doesn't the dirt could be cleaned in the building containment you don't really know well the both sides could be that i mean i  would expect that there is some level of because back in the day they used to spray pesticides to kill the plants that grew on the tracks sometimes decides are all bad news and they're still there that everyone knows that's happens on train tracks as i just i'm not suggesting taking the building i'm suggesting just see if there's a possibility to take that wall me and i can my fear is they're going to well i don't want to get another look i should i mean i think you know you may very just get stopped when you're done that's my point of view well look the issues that could arise during the design phase may require this board at some point to revisit whatever decision we make because he said you know there may be a fatal flaw that arises during design phase that also may be that some clever design or an engineer figures out to make the northside work better about the option of taking that piece i think we've got broader conversations with them we have been tired but we haven't had a conversation about it and i think that's the conversation that we should have in the coming days and i think it's measured in days and  years to understand what the options agreed keep in mind town meetings and may agree we kind of i won't be on the board so you guys can take that we vote but that's fine but i think we have to explore it out of my i think the north side has they both have challenges neither one is perfect this is not at all it is you know i do believe that based on what amy was saying she's the expert that i would stand of course the concern about accurate that you can based on my conversations at least for the gentleman i mentioned plus your comments recess we've been sitting here since six o'clock but we do have a lot of fun interesting things coming up so you may want to stick around  or you and i glenn clancy director of community development all right so installation of clock if by balance so you think we already voted to accept the gift and we are here to discuss location yes ok when i was l it is wireless you know i should clarify the gift is from the belmont savings bank foundation i'm sorry york regulation so we were really thankful for the clock of the caucus gorgeous since the clock that  this is the plan that andy graciously provided the town and i talked to him briefly after kaylor england i had a conversation about was there a secondary placement for the clock he did say that at the other end of the driveway he had considered it but he didn't feel that it was the best placement because it was kind of too ostentatious it was just kind of eerie to talk about in concord out so it's going in the other far right corner you know ye and what's here for the bank the foundation the foundations foundation is very supportive so this puts it on sort of a less of a little busy intersections the off the street sort of view of cars pulling in and out of that driveway in front of the bank under the underpass heading up into belmont center you'll be able to pick it up as well so i think dziedzic lee visually i think it's the best location and i just want to point out that when we reconstruct the belmont center there is electrical in the island two feet lighting sources and so so police and fire ok with it at this location if you talk to them yeah i have not received far as it's more of a traffic thing right i mean it's not going to like the safety concern i think as much as it's not going to block anyone getting a truck in front of the bank or anything like that you're as you know with the bank being acquired by people's united that was announced in december just to give you an update you know people's united is very much a community oriented bank they're very much focused on so continued support belmont the belmont savings bank foundation as we said earlier will remain separate from them but they have their own foundations which will also be involved in supporting the community and they have agreed to continue to support turn on the town and town day the way we have been doing it so i think you can expect we'll continue to do that our shareholder vote is this wednesday and so we expect the closing to happen around april first  should we know branches are being closed though personnel in the branches are being affected they will continue to do what they've been doing for this town and as i said the foundation will continue so  expect everything to go smoothly at this point and i think you'll get to meet some of the people united leadership they are new england based bank they do have fifty branches here in massachusetts so this is an important  acquisition for them and i think they'll take it very seriously and be great to have them come in when they i mean just to say i check in with absolutely or we can certainly arrange that with our next door neighbor literally yes they are and you're very important to them to be fun well yes well what's what's happened is the foundation was originally set up with belmont saving stock and so what was initially two million dollars has obviously tripled and because this is sort of related to what we were talking about just a moment ago with the path i'm going to skip over and bring up the department of transportation every day and hand signs at the brighton street crossing which is part of the safety matter that we've been talking about at the tracks i'm just as background the center is a and i r and d arm of the u s department of transportation and we conduct safety studies on in a variety of places all over the country just in two thousand and seventeen we proposed putting in pavement markings in front of the tracks to try to discourage people from stopping on the tracks and we work with the town to have those installed so we did a before and after study of how often people stop on the tracks and so we collected data f then from late november early december we collected more data and you can see that people stop on the tracks often enough where we didn't need much more than a couple of weeks of data to get pretty clear results so  broke up the places that people stop and for differences really five different zones to a and to be we're really trying to reduce the number of people stop in zone three which is on the tracks  you can see that the percentage of people that stop on the tracks was reduced substantially in the northbound erection after the pavement markings by substantially it was a measurable i should say intersection and we recorded video and then we had someone fast forward him and count all the times people stopped any in any one of those zones ok so northbound you can see there there was a a measurable reduction in traffic southbound not as much and this were a little bit stumped as to why that is i think it might have something to do with the fact that the cross hatching zone is much smaller it had to be because there's a crosswalk there and i think it just didn't provide the same visual alert to a driver no one seems there there really wasn't much of a change at all so it was kind of interesting so we speculate that the the size of the zone matters but you can see also in the totals once again about half as many people stopped anywhere in the track area  congestion in both directions was much less and i'm not really sure why so that was i think i just summarize that on this page so what i want to hopefully get people's attention every grade crossing has such a sign this one has one it's mounted on the entry side of the tracks we're proposing putting the sign on the exit side of the tracks in both directions there's a there's a light pole in a good location on the exit side of of both there's already a sign on each pole we're just proposing to put it above the existing sign  ourselves it's similar to that one on the left that's up in upstate new york however this one doesn't say state law apparently in new york they have to say that otherwise it has no meaning for i know right so we would also put a solar panel on the pole to power the the early days and we're proposing doing this within the month probably put it up maybe a month from now  late march collect data and be finished with that by the end of april if you want we'll leave the signs up they're yours to keep if you don't like them will take them down and that's fine too anyone have any comment on this a lot of people from the neighborhood or from the last year subject matter and back hi i'm jesse bennett i'm a member of the transportation advisory committee high school traffic working group and tell me the number in precinct one can i can we just go back to the slide that says when you when we're tracking the number of cars like that one now like that time period when you were doing the data collection i just wan confirm that post installation data collection was done from november twenty eighth so tuesday tuesday november twenty eighth to  december fourth do you think that that was a comparable travel is that a comparable time for traffic as opposed to october because it was just after the thanksgiving holiday and i know that sometimes th e traffic is depressed a bit after thanksgiving is there any knowledge to be gained by doing another tracking round even before we get the signs up and are we going to ensure that like we're dealing with comparable weeks in terms of traffic is there or do we have data from our town why traffic study and how many cars typically go through that intersection of goethe go through across the tracks that we can look out to give us a good sense of when we should be timing the data collection because i'm a little concerned that the numbers were so much lower than the numbers prior because when you're if clearly if you're if there are a lot fewer cars going over there then you're talking about a lot less congestion and so there are lot the driver behavior is going to be altered by that so i want to make sure that if we're gathering numbers and looking at them and trying to analyze them to see what the effectiveness of a solution is that we're looking you know we're doing apples to apples and apples  oranges so in terms of that data collection i want to make sure that we are mindful of that the other thing is that i want to make sure that selectman know that as a resident who have deep concerns about this that crossing there that this is not going to be enough this is my job is my gut feeling this is just really not enough to make this crossing safer but these are small signs they have that it won't catch people's attention a little bit signs of this whether yeah i'll just i'll just mention that our new baseline before the signs go up will actually be from now so actual will be about a week before we put the signs up and then we'll leave the science for about two weeks to get the novelty effect to wear off a little bit and then we'll compare the post data which will be two to three weeks after and hopefully that will be all within the same month so we're think we're hoping for april if we can get the signs up so we'll be at least the same the same on comparison right oh no you know we understand you know no no no no scheduling is it is really just for me but it's like going back to the numbers that you actually see the numbers that you saw there they're only for when times that where there's a rush hour effect or there's a heavy congestion because that's the only time that we're going to see car stopping so because they went from one hundred to five to five hundred you're still the percentages of where people stop that's really looking at so we want everybody to stop in the green zone before the tracks and we just comparing that percentage from one week to a different week and those percentages what we're really interested in not not so much the wrong number but how those compare between the baseline and the after installation but i think for years it was significantly less incinerator site update but these are two relatively short items i think the first item would be award construction contract f one thousand water main project is said room for six hundred of the other one thousand one hundred eighty four dollars fifty four so we're not going to read this word for word just so you know if you get a little scared the size of us you want to show off tell us what you describe this for you described it pretty well but sampson gave us for this project was about well shy of a million dollars so drunk or pose a little better at six hundred fifty one thousand one hundred eighty four dollars and fifty four cents so jones done a lot of work in town and they've been great they've been very responsive and they always always seem to move a lot faster than other contractors we've used in this jobs a little bit  market director of public works so i have a lot of not a lot but i have data based on the first six months of the new contract and the new army trash recycling program ok for each dwelling so for the first six months from july to december we had a five hundred ten tonne reduction from last year for the same months  one point seven seven tons of trash for literally the next year july of f y nineteen to december of f y nineteen three thousand one hundred eighty one point nine macro so everyone would think that i recycling goes up the same in a number which never seems to be the case and i've talked to many many professionals in the area and nationwide everyone would think that the trash or to go out i mean there are cycling would go up the equivalent of what their trucks went down that is not the case but at the go up so same example from july nineteenth of december of financing one thousand and twenty seven point five point zero five tons of recycling july nineteenth to december a fine nineteen an increase of one to one thousand three hundred forty nine point seven secs which is a three hundred twenty actually tracking bulky now which is great we have the first six months we have three thousand one hundred seven bulky items that were called in by our residence  this is good data for us moving forward because i have a big question mark for the literally the prior year because we have no idea what our bulky is was frozen was it was unlimited and we have no idea and we knew that that was a big part of our collection and so now we have like i said the limits and that bulky number they gave you includes the trash tonnage so our trash went down five hundred ten tons our recycling went up three hundred twenty three t there the one when you put limits on systems like this friends that have friends and don't want the know where unlimited or bulky items that we know there are limited when a program goes in place like this news for the first six months with our new program our cardboard events we we were doing we've done seven of them are we just had one this past week and we do one hundred twenty three cars the to before that we i think we did twenty it was raining and it was freezing that it was just a miserable day mr santoro was at the event and i know that right after an exit before the holidays we have a big push for cardboard since we had that three hundred car day or two hundred seventy five car day and then the following week we had about one hundred in fifty or like from here moving forward and then when we start picking back up in the warmer weather and people are moving in all that we start kicking it back up again think what about this compact idea we talked about earlier we so that was a discussion that we had as well because when we have the compact that we can if we're getting a lot of calls and we can just have the event and post it on our our flash boards and it would be pretty similar we're not there yet we still are working on details and logistics and funding sources we do have money from the state for the carts that we purchased we got one hundred ten thousand dollars grant and the compacts are definitely qualifies for the the uses that we could have for that so there will be no cost or no out of budget  financing for this so we're still working out the logistics the logistics mostly is we got the d p w building going to be renovated surely we're having thoughts of having it here or there or wherever but ideally we have sums places but we don't want to be in the middle of like the renovation and blocking things and stuff like that but we are working on it and the compact is you'd be able to do sort of ongoing cardboard in that way people who are having issues with having too much recycling could get the cardboard taken care of separately and absolutely that means also if you we talked about the policy about the cards during snowstorms and i know that obviously hopefully that will happen so much going forward but you never know and then we talk about a policy for that about what we're done with them and how to handle that still working on our i will definitely have some for you shortly but we're recycling i think it's great that we're doing it monthly sounds like a good cadence could we pick a standard first saturday of the month or something we can start training the community as to when to expect that they'll be there was i going because right now you have to look it up  honestly it's not always there and if you look at the e mail when if we could start picking something that people can start to count on we're we're will try anything phase with the first year so we can i do like the idea of having a consistent schedule but i would also like to if we did have a permanent compact or have like open hours for set a timer whatever and  i think that would be the ideal situation and but moving forward yeah i mean we're up until most every suggestion right now and we're pretty flexible trying to figure this out and appreciate everyone's patience during his first year and we knew next is an incinerator site update i would note this is incinerator site updated it's not incinerator site vote so what we're doing is we we have some new information on this that was come up since we were last talking about the issue and that is why we are here has been eating and so we talked last time about you know the site is restricted to municipal use only and a lot of the neighbors and folks who've shown up at our last meeting on the issue one of you know had questions about is this use i mean this bill you use a municipal use or not and it's a way to sort of we have our five potential uses is a way to further whittle it down are not talking to the that any public private partnership would probably not be ok with them once received a letter we had a conversation with myself and you  t conversation with him and they have been pretty clear that any public private partnership that creates some type of revenue for third party would not be allowed and the current legislation and that we would have to go back to the legislature to try and tra to allow for another type of and the concern was that if everyone recalls we got the land for free we didn't really get it for free the land was appraised and then we were given the land for that price and then the cost of remediation of the environmental contamination was deducted from that price remediation was greater than the price we didn't pay anything property rights and they said that this they have praised it at that figure based upon the restrictions on the use and if you change the restrictions on the use that will increase the value of the property and they would want to reappraise it and then we might actually owed the money for the taking of it so that is a danger that we would run so the other thing just up through flush it out is that basically to do the public private partnership which was the idea for the skating rink or for the in the robot digest would mean having to go back for a home rule petition which could open us up to actually over the state money for the land that we already own we don't know what that would be they weren't thrilled with that because the idea was they gave it to us they gave it to us for municipal purposes and if there was money to be made off of it the state would have probably kept it made the money themselves they were giving it to us to make up make a profit we did talk to them about well you know what if you know what if it were not like the skating rink would be a nonprofit for instance you know we're not trying to make money we're trying to you know provide it for the kids to know so but they said no no no because the the public entity would still then be using the other ice time in the concessions in the skate rentals and making money off of it even if they're nonprofit and that that what doesn't that's not we had a municipal in the guise of oh you have a muni is it that's different because that's a town department that's different you couldn't have a private entity come and build a solar farm but like can build a solar farm and that would be fine so that that doesn't there we are ourselves wasn't viable i mean i like the idea that we can still do it either way you know perhaps the battery storage isn't an inviolable thing and kind of the point being financially that's one that if we had to sort sixteen acres and sixteen acres that was revert back to us and the its own will be titian would not be they could never agree to that and we have to back to the legislature for in your town council did so you could go back to the legislature and go through the home reputation all over again but you do upon yourself up to the state and saying well now the property is worth this and you now we now we you know it was when you know there was a lot of the bait when this first came up years ago as to whether it really did revert back to the state but that was such a great that's point that's immaterial images p academic because we were thinking well geez we think we always want to but that we're going to be a challenge to try to push that point would want to go back to the legislature and run you know run the risk again of like it was a huge when they started you know the work by you know they rodgers now keep in mind the belmont could build its own rink and keep its own rink just like we have are right now that would be a municipal use but the public private partnership you can't do not that we have the money to build the rink but i'm saying if we were to go and appeal process of and this is sort of the definitive answer on this well this short of a legislator they can hold the restriction i believe and so they're saying that that's not allowed you could end up in court with them if they hold fast to it could see you  try politically if you could pressure them through the governor i don't know i mean it's pretty much they said if you want to change anything go back to the legislature and then that whole big long thing i mean we have to make a decision before may i mean we don't have a year and that's a y process as assuming we even succeed and then if you succeed you may be sorry because then they say give me five hundred thousand dollars or more or more because now the properties are drastically increased in value because you're allowing private development so i think you know crime i mean they were that's why we have the call we got the letter that said no i was like i don't want to take just a letter and i want to actually write in them and actually turned out they they were saying no to the solar farm until the and then when we had the conversation we said oh we own that like department that at least we got that one back on the table first they weren't even thrilled with that so because they thought that was a public private partnership and really doesn't have to so the question then becomes the build the rink on our own funds where we can afford and those funds would be what money and have langdon stop doing a study we actually did stop them from doing the study after we got the letter back from de camp patrice and i discussed this and we told them we're going to call it d cam want to stop because i don't like that with this letter was saying no to everything we we place for the ring to be in my opinion and others as well yes right if you had a question on him plus just curious about next steps and timeline to move this decision forward so obviously we're down to sweet options right now so what is your plan to move on well march eighteenth we plan on voting on it because we're running out of time to make a decision on the use and i think we need to have new information i was assuming everyone wants to think about it because now that you if you were a link to what if you were thinking you were going with one of the five uses that may be off the table then you have to figure out which of the remaining three you would go with so we actually have to i think the three of us have to think about this well i think will be useful to make these m bike skate park did bring us some plans might i don't really need a plan for open space because it kind of is the plan for as far as the chris roy one of the white board meetings did bring us a lot of information about the solar farm the battery storage i think we have  of community development it'll impact the path to the degree that the e p will have to get final approval on the design of the cap recognizing what's happening above it will be minimal impact so those three at least if it's not as if you're putting a foundation in the camper that's really just like you would with a rink or a digester yeah so my last comment would be icing the site is big enough to really have a mixed use development and really combine these different things and i i think i would  like an s and that's nice nice possibility allat i assume be interesting to see a couple hours maybe mixed use layouts too to kind of get a better handle on the decision well you know some some uses can accommodate other uses along with them and some can warrant committee you just reached the point that was concerning me it sounds like with the elimination of a hockey rink and a digester then the original question was how what is the use because that determines the type of cap that's installed but it sounds like we have now arrived that uses where the design of the cap is really not really affected so that the priority is to get going with the ca thought that was the imminent deadline and then the the exact design of the range of uses to go on that site afterwards is something where we don't have time pressure i'm right about that i think glenna just said the d p wants to know the post close know i think you're absolutely right i think roy i think that if you can go into a final design process with g d p knowing what the post closure uses that's the optimal you know once you design a cap once you set about  officer he's retiring retiring yeah after seventeen years should recognize them really so i'm going to the proposals to have me bridge the gap until we can find someone permanent to fill the role in a way to on you know and he says right now we have to do this quickly so it's for a permanent replacement and so we have the funds for an animal control officer in our budget here for the health department and the other thing we talked about is i get some originally i want a long time ago it was maybe i live in new now maybe i'll move to belmont you know everybody's happy to have what's going on so as i said mine is ryan cook this is victoria and jeremy i'm the location manager for a new television series it's been done by paramount although says cortex that's what sort of we're going by but it's being done by paramount television and we're looking to film in belmont we we you know we are locals so you know we're part of the sort of burgeoning film industry here in massachusetts like i said i live in newton walpole salem so our job although the we work for the film production company it's sort of the liaison to the town soup to nuts sort of everything from police department we had a meeting earlier last week  e and john i think len was there as well to discuss sort of what we're looking to do but right now it's pretty simple we're looking to just put off our project in front of you guys and ask permission to go out to the neighborhood fly of the neighborhood and hold a meeting later this week with the neighborhood i think john we discussed thursday evening basically i want to get in front of you guys first before we start alerting the neighborhood and get everybody you know sort of like an excitement or it or not so much depending on their approach to it before coming to you guys first so i think our ideal process would be we fly the neighborhood tomorrow morning talking about a meeting thirty here thursday evening if people can't attend the meeting our cell phone numbers are on those flyers as well as our e mail addresses so they can contest  contact us directly and then we would come back next monday to talk about the plan hopefully have you guys approve our request the films you are going to film for a week from monday april twenty ninth to friday those are the dates currently i have our director in town right now and as we start to pick other locations and truthfully as we put our cast together those dates will solidify but somewhere in that end of april timeline timeframe i should say yes is where we're looking and i should also clarify it's five days of filming there will be prep work and wrap work around that much smaller impacts smaller crews but i should the big sort of caviar here for us is there is some night film that we want to do with the hours yeah i mean so i think i had a really long discussion with my creative team today and i think there is a variation of sort of solutions one is which we film for five days and we might have to film till ten or eleven o'clock of each night if there's a opportunity to do a longer night it takes filming down to four days so i think ultimately this is what i said to patrice and the rest of the panel that we met with earlier this week is i have a solution to every problem my job right now is to talk to you guys to get the temperature of the neighborhood and then go back to my team and say hey guys everybody's super supportive and on board victoria and i did a netflix movie up in hamilton two years ago which i think i'll give you rest town town references we filmed till two o'clock in the morning for eight days in a row a neighbor who is super excited i paid for them to have a block party afterwards it was very exciting it was you know we sort of got everybody on board in a big part of our job is community communication like it is our intent to really sort of for the most part take you guys out of the picture it's going to choke a little bit take you guys with out of the picture as far as like if somebody has a complaint somebody has a concern somebody getting their windows replaced that they come to us and we help them solve their problem yeah that would be great  fun facts the town that you guys have supported filming in to pass the cardinal yeah i think a nine hundred sixty three so like i said right now we're going to go and sort of pound the pavement and i should also clarify so normally the way that i assigned my team to a town or to a location is one assistant location manager in a sort of like i'm bringing two of my top people in because i recognize that residential neighborhoods are some of the toughest things to do filming in especially when it comes to night filming and we have found that if we communicate with the neighborhood and make them feel included and make them feel on board that i can pretty much solve any problem including be a blocking of people's windows if they don't like the light if it's somebody in our direct impact zone in the movie ted there was somebody use this example last time there one of their daughters were starting studying for log sam and she had a test later that week i put her up in a hotel so she could study in peace and you know take her test because that is way more important than what we're doing because at the end of the day these films although they pay our salary as part of our job if the film and the tax and i wasn't here in massachusetts i don't think there's a lot of us that would be living here but at the end they these things come and go and our goal is really to form relationships with you guys and to say we want to do work with you guys in the future and sort of behooves us to make sure that the neighborhood and you guys as a town have a good experience and frankly most of what i've done over the past ten years in my career here has been in the city and i took this job one because often you know out of the public setting i can sort of tell you who's in it what the what that's i mean that stuff will get out of benchley but it's a really good story it's something i think the town be proud to be involved with it's not some sort of like you know murder horror movie or anything like that  guns or no it's actually it's based on the best times new york times best seller book is well written it's a quote unquote unsexy drama it's really a character study there's not really and there's no car chases there it's really our main actor is somebody who usually does superhero movies and he's taking this piece because he wants to do something that one is interesting intellectually maybe wins an award as you were talking about two he actually is massachusetts based so he wants to come home and he wants to bring business back to his state so that's sort of that thing and from my point i was excited to take a job that is out i want to save you can i want to take i'm excited to take jobs that are not just filming in the city and exploring and developing relationships  houses are set up there's not too many trees but they're just it we're you know i think somebody glen asked who was the police chief that said why are you guys coming to this neighborhood we search sixty houses and sixty neighborhoods to find this one and i should say they found it sort of before i came on which always scares me because places i've never filmed in we don't have relationships but this gives me an opportunity to form one is just it's beautiful and it's we this story is quintessential new england and we have to sell that up on screen because this will play all over the  world and that road and this house in the way everything situated the way we think the creators think about things that's why we're there i'll tell you as a location manager as a large part of my job is logistics and how we park things and how we actually make this thing happen not the more i wouldn't pick this from a logistics standpoint it's up on the hill the streets are narrow it poses a big challenge for us but when people all over the country in the world are watching this film and are celebrating it the fact that it's that versus some other street that's not quite the same looking that's sort of the other part of my job besides getting paid that's really nice and that's what we're here to accomplish and that's what the creators and i should also note that all of our filming exteriors filming because it's the main location in our show we there is so much work to do there that we're bridge building the house on our sound stage so that we don't we're not we're not there occupying so we're not there when it's not only not by the house but if i get payment from us in some way shape or form either to have their house involved because we want neighbors to come out and there's some big new scenes that happen for the house or as impact and hey can you park your car around the corner or can we take your keys from you again you know and we'll remove will put bring your car back or whatever they're comfortable with i've been through it all i have literally i have a solution to every problem and the for those that i don't have a solution for i will go to every length possible to make people feel involved in satisfied and if i could if i here's the thing at the end of the day if a neighbor does not want to be involved there's not want anything that i do they as jeremy said his cell phone is the first one is going out were the complaint line and they're going to cost twenty four hours a day and that's what our job is and ultimately at the end they if somebody doesn't want to cooperate with us i've got my direction so you can have it they can everything they want that's my job details so that way if there's an emergency they can call the station right away and then they we can start clearing the road off or we can clear it like that because at the end of the day when we're done filming everybody wants to go home like that so everything that we do not to get too deep into it our cameras looking this way we want to flip angles everything has to move at the speed of light because that's all time is money so everything moves very very quickly and i should also say now my head the headline that i hate the most is hollywood comes to town you guys measured to be in ohio i was here ninety five percent of our crew based locals are a bunch of blue collar people like myself that live in these communities so they all get an understand the place that we're guests in these communities and they understand what we're doing  o if you would if you would if you google my name n b c boston there's a piece that was recently done on me that talks about the movies that i worked on and i i it's a continue messaging that i try to get out there because our jobs really are based here's what the ultimate bigger picture of it is we want to have towns and cities that have good experiences because in twenty twenty two our tax incentive goes away and we want to be able to go to the state house and say look at all these places that are having good experiences are financially benefiting from the jobs that are created because that without the tax and if you lose me and you lose my wife who's a nurse at mass general so there's a bigger picture at play here and i don't mean to get into it here that is in the back of our heads our director and those guys are focusing on the picture they're making the story they're taking us it's much wider than i think people normally sort of understand and i can i say that i know as a personal goal patrice had a bad experience in town that was a smaller independent movie was filmed  and there is a difference between for city level filmmaking j v and freshman i would say that the film that you experience was not even freshman we are the varsity level you look us up i gave you a number of town references to call  so they work with the production company exactly ok i mean you know you guys have done ok i should add one more thing we are looking for one more house in this area so i don't want you guys be surprised it's a very small scenes like you know a couple hours filming just for trying to group some locations together to put them out is a really nice to make sure i don't park a truck in front of that no i mean like i said i mean this is the big picture here is that we  really do care and i and i don't sugar coat things it's a it's a big production it's a big thing but generally community you know contact to make people feel it's actually exciting for people it's not something that comes along that often and maybe will be on that board out there just telling them they have to go ahead at the moment informal go ahead to continue the process and come back for formal appreciate it next monday right thank you for no it's just it's my neighborhood so i'm actually kind of that's my house y what they sold or they have and this is must be a new owners they're already there had they already have a convict for a license this is a new victrola license so they must be having a new person come in take it it's the it's  to liberate anything else no minutes from december seventeenth two thousand and eighteen i thought they were excellent there was a missing word because under the border registrars of voters it shows there are previously applied but was not meeting in march eighteenth we're meeting april first and we're going to see if you can schedule yet another regular meeting in there somewhere ok and i have no i'm out of office hours tomorrow at the library if you're interested in motion to ad