time there are two items of business on the agenda one is a request from the zoning administrator or cycling review of a permit application excellent chair and i would i would say that it would be good to keep him in the position that i agree with the challenge i'm now so i think we did today we don't make a determination of the person's status as part of the appeal process but we are we do need to know participate in such a day and there's a sign up sheet going around that will help us know who participate because this is a cause i do additional hearing all those that intend to speak must be sworn in so what i'm going to do is read the oath and anyone who's going to participate should say i do i hereby swear that the evidence i give in the cause under consideration ranta that proceeding in environmental court pursued to states to actually participation consists of offering to oral or written testimony evidence or a statement of concern related to the subject of receipt so that's what we're trying to do is make sure that we know who participate because  somebody isn't here and doesn't give testimony here and there they don't have a right to appeal it right there ok so the first order of business is this request question and the other first is if the garage was to be built what is the distance from this new structure from any existing structure far away as is that house of looks to be more than case so a lot sizes one thirty by one thirty pm system structure is seventy two by twenty nine the proposed structure is an additional thirty two five twenty  shining to the road or aisle or off the property so you know so i think just you know that that's going to be a condition you're going to have to me many of the questions from the board at this point actually were in process of leaving today normally we would have them at a time to be able to put them up on a screen so if there's if many members of the public want to refer to the drawing you're welcome to do that you can just above or we can put them up if you need to so i guess i'll ask a public comment at this point and if you know really find those those hard parents but i think we're ok with that we do have bradley soil this year maybe because of the cold we've had some issues with water back here back in my motorhome city and six inches of ice right now the water about thirty to thirty five calls for every apartment we have we rented three of them so we've got ninety people so there's a big demand for housing we've got a lot of people that are you know kind of begging us to be able to get an apartment so that they can be in the in the district for school so you know we're looking at jericho and i'm just pulling numbers i can grow the exactly the average median income is about seventy seven thousand dollars and one thousand nine hundred thirty seven dollars this is from from jen's notes here for me the documents are that  meets the criteria for affordable housing so we're building affordable housing for folks and you know that's a legislative initiative right now and you know when we're looking at this we built this house over in essex center we live  would be looking for down the road for a conditional use and you know when we thought about this and i was and i talked about it we wanted something that looks good on the lawns we have other options you could potentially put a y plus in there with a four unit we don't really like the way that it's set on the l weren't really comfortable with the feel we're just sitting keeping the property want term we put a lot of money into the building and we feel like a duplex up front would look nice for people from the street would fit in with the other homes in the tri plex would look good  the back and we've got the zoning to do it we need the density requirements and we had just and do the work with the state we're pre approved septics and on a well we had the property surveyed we did test it so you know we've really done our due diligence on one is one of the neighbors and of others and we spoke to him i spoke to him yesterday and i spoke to him this summer i suppose over thinking of putting a house or two when you have a problem you have an issue would always show you the plans go through it we have to do a boundary adjust have on the survey and when he was fine he did have an issue i spoke to him yesterday look at the plan and it said look it doesn't look like it's too crowded so that's basically you know the general overview of what we're done what we're looking to  small scale development and to leave the deeds for affordable housing is the is the people really that we have and also for folks that are maybe separate or divorce that are looking for apartments that are looking to get into the school looking at and you know initial conversations with the town with jen you know there are opportunities to build something bigger you know a ten or fifteen unit house you know on a par with density bonus that scepter and again we're looking long term we like to duplex up front t to push in the back we think it's better for the town we think it's a better property and it would be better for us so a couple of the other things to talk about you know for people who are going to have propane heat will be about nine hundred dollars a year to eat five star energy rated so they're going to get affordable nice apartments that people don't have to want to do work with and you know give you a couple of examples for this right here you know charlie and cheryl are the folks that live across the street from us he's an executive green mountain coffee roasters fuz works at the hospital they have a house in new hampshire that's under water that they feel they can't sell so they're not going to buy a house right now but they would in there's a lot of people in that situation because of the housing crisis and that's why there's such a huge demand for conversation last night with terry hook from the jericho preservation center they had some concerns about what we were doing and i'd spoken to bob shermer you know casually in my parking lot this winter i said we're thinking of a duplex maybe something else we'll let you know so we kind of you know spoke with paul and you know we did for the hearing to talk to neighbors we knew what we know we're doing town and we want to work with people but we also want to you know have an opportunity to build what we think will be a good fit all the way around so a couple of other things you know we think this will support the post office it will support the town fits into the plan that meets the breach the regulations for zoning and you know we're we're good landlords and we're interested in having some properties that another set of people set of properties that we can that we can rent the church across the street just took our fifth apartment here you know just the numbers for the the housing for the legislative initiatives and you know i think that you know the key thing is that we meet the requirements we did a lot of work on this we spent a lot of time with jan we talked to john and a lot of time with just that on this and having people survey it and we kind of done what we've been asked to do in place by the rules and you know we're looking for approval i'm for this and we think it's a good use for the land and we've got the soils in the water to support it you have a pre approved ten bedroom septic and you know we've managed some properties we've done some building with honey to the homes there are green builder they do a great job so we're comfortable that they'll come in and you know do a nice job with the property and i'll be a good fit for the area i drive by the building every day in the morning and after school i always check the oil and see if i have any oil left in my tank i usually don't so you know we want to be in the area and you know we want to see that things look good and that it's fit so we meet the requirements for the for the town here for sort of the five criteria that they're run they're talking about and we're trying to be make sure that we're building affordable housing that we're mindful of the environment we're providing for population growth including housing economic development the long range plan build a couple of thoughtful multi family homes and here we feel we serve the sort of the need and one other point with a real target up front we were thinking a little bit we haven't finalized our design on these and we might have like a down or office what could be sort of a second concerned about the condition of the system septic we investigated it found it was it was due for replacement having quite failed we replaced it this past summer so that has a new septic has an existing well that's been upgraded over the years six go on a minute well for the proposed wellingborough duplex try place proposing a shared this but there's always the question of what about the well she'll do now the septic shield it encroaches on neighbor's property we've discussed this before it's a legislative issue legislature has a number of bills right now that were presented where if your water or waste water shield encroached on a neighbor's lot you would potentially have to get an easement from the reason that's not gaining ground to appease property owners and what in this situation i'm the well shiels it encroach on a neighbor's property the way it works and i try to be mindful when i do this in a time i do help somebody plan for water waste water is we try not to encroach on what but because of the nature of the village center the small lots the small zoning no town water no town sewer where we have little else we can do and it's it's a sensitive topic and i brought i can i brought the a copy of the  and this was an attempt of the legislature early start to dialogue so people understand you know it could affect your property if a neighbor says can you move it if you can move it if you look at a little bit we do that but in the last in bold letters in the second sheet of this it says very important although the legislature has required notification to potentially affected land owners the legislature did not give the agency natural resource you want to keep that for the record we have we have water test results from the five you never been tested it's part of the water i was involved on the adjoining lot the elysee property that's been tested that's good water  legislation that came shortly after so there is there is overshadowing by neighbors every neighbor on to another neighbor whether it be sceptical or water is just anybody is proposing new past or present that to effective my name is traffic credible i'm a licensed professional engineer and my task was to prepare the parking and driveway layout and design of the new proposed law to unlock three which includes driveways structures would be approximately eighty seven hundred ten square feet the existing impervious area which is the building and driveway zone lot number one is sixty six hundred thirty five square feet so the new impervious area would be well below the half acre one half acre the total project has a service of less than half an acre there is no there would not be a requirement for state construction perma nor for a permanent operational storm the site is assessed for the requirements if we look at the site and the promise of the state stormwater construction in general permit which is if it was over one one and control during construction of the project and for establishment permanent vegetation on the site thereafter these practices all include the following all the best management practices employed on the site area must be stabilised at the end of each workday stabilisation is not required if work is to continue in the area within the next twenty four hours and there is no precipitation forecast for the next twenty four hours the service between october fifteen determination as to whether that was to research these properties then there was your resume that fuzzy description of the property line between road and this and road was involved in discussions  quite comfortable with i mean he would have completed supply that if he wasn't comfortable right now i'm just trying to understand the history of it here and what what was recently monumental versus what was all money the oil th that's not a new merger that did that's correct sr this is showing this this is recorded right now as a single wa that at some point we've it doesn't matter given you know the water lines a sewer lines working again it all comes down to you have quarter acre zoning with the intent of having a high density district and there's plenty of people that do that on the called spike wells spite systems people do that to control other people's property but then morse did speak with him it doesn't never develop it that's where i you know that's why there's three or four bills in legislature right now is to get the conversation going how do we resolve this and part of it is put on the the advisory committee that i'm on where we're trying to come up i had a question for you said that you were planning on having the building built by huntington homes and they're going to go this energy star right and i was wondering whether you consider looking into more energy here in ten years that you're going to be building much more stringent standard it's a little more money to build but instead of being thirty percent more efficient code it's seventy five percent more for both so the affordability and the in the financial well being of the being of the water for incomes have any discussion of it whatsoever by coincidence my way picks up the mail from people box one zero eight so she knows there was never a warning issued to us if we're interacting on this and it was delivered to us and we failed to notice it  thing i guess i would say that you know we're we're we have no economic value this property so to speak we're just caretakers history of the books with granted to the poor of the years and so but we feel a real responsibility really cited to make sure that it's treated well and they don't after get my responsibility and walk away and have something bad happen to the property and to us by unity so that's the purpose behind having something interesting and i think that the more such a thing of want to point out is this this it was a great boost it was gratifying in some sense and also troubling but we've all been reassured that in fact quarter rater is the most and if there are circumstances that militate against achieving the maximum th would protect it against that by all of the other regulations or is not the god given right in fact it is the maximum you can possibly achieve if all the other circumstances warranted the terms of what the legislature saying but overshadowing  failed septic system you have a good number of polluted wells have you whole bunch of wells that are inside the homes of the adjacent properties so the center as it exists today will further develop already has a severe traffic problem public safety problem public health problems ground water storm water problem are other properties are flooded and so we're all working because we would like to see affordable housing we'd like to see housing consistent with the historic nature and i do believe this wasn't given so there wasn't the type of dialogue can the way this is presented with three lots of division it's one meeting and go so i would like to speak to a couple physical restraints but i also like to give some hope we've all been hoping that we could work together collectively to create a living and based community sewer system so that you could actually not have the individual septic systems are all the property and it sounds strange but when you say ok we've got gravel we've got good septic that's actually not true one of the problems with gravel is that the ethanol that travels through the gravel too quickly and doesn't meet before it quiets with the groundwater the desired goal of having one year's treatment in the soil before it hits the ground water so they're sort of what i call it up to a blend of soils where it's good enough to hurt but not so good that water travels through so i suspect that this area probably is good soil discussion that when you've got a frost condition that is soonest there's no snow and you have a one on like course it freezes and now the storm water cannot pure the soil so i believe from looking at the property from the road that where the septic system is proposed is actually the collective sort of water pooling area for all of the properties and it must pretty well to not have a poem there but i imagine that there are periods of time where that whole area is flooded whenever the right weather conditions hit so that we in order to put but the trees on the way see property boundary and the trees in the j c t i a as the roots of growing up have created a sort of a bear so i don't think at this point in time there's actually positive surface breakage off of this from the remote cannot either increase the flow or the rate from your property to another property so if my suspicions are ri with respect to the storm water you've got a potential flooding issue with the septic system you also have the other problems that are already discussed with the coast because i don't think you have a god given right to adversely affect  the area so we are trying as a community deal with a community based septic system i feel as though we jericho should follow whether it's our regulations or not that circle commercial applications like the store that might be appropriate here i don't think there should be too curb cuts period there should be one per car and there should also be an offer for radical dedication to reach  buying properties that also should be the neighborhood because we're much better off if we are going to have this type of density to not be trying to get people out of this property or any other property in the village into what during pm pay and peak hours is pretty much a solid law so we have a traffic problem this isn't a state road but you couldn't get to curb cuts from the state for a lot of this has traffic  too many state roads so what i'd like to say is i don't see any way that this project could be approved for him to spend percentage for many many reasons but i think it's better for all the parties to get together and see what we could do for activity because one of the objectives of acquiring rivers property for some of us is that that would be the ideal location for a community based septic and if we're able to that yes by by the amount that is in the bill of center but that you should be focused on existing buildings and with an eye toward historical and cultural yesterday dennis person i'm going to original incorporated of the j c p a although i'm no longer an officer or trustee but i do unlike terry think i can speak on behalf of the j c p a and i want to make sure that these comments are taken on behalf of a c p a and i want to i think the board's already got this on its radar but we went to the driveway a road that is going to service the backlot lot two and cuts across  lot three to intersect with brown strace i think it's not just a fire department requirement but actually in the regs that any road or driveway which services a back lot and services four or more residences has to comply with the town roads tracks which means that twenty four foot with and therefore that's going to change the calculation a lot coverage on lot three and so i just urge you to take a look at that very close property part of the reason why it was owed by the school what is now the community sector the church office building was to serve as a baseball field athletic field and also back up septic system area for that so that j c p a's in their church both church buildings the large addition to the existing church offices and the j c parking lot so were that to fail because for any number of reasons access would need to be all the way to the back or so those cold cereal substan this septic system and they also hired her so were this to be a problem that's where the septic would go and all the storm water that this driver was speaking of and all the water from this existing site flew great across here and it actually flows that peak across from us trace on the subject probably so there's a problem that exists  we've got collective problems for the church who's not here preservation association but we share that same septic we also have the sheet flow of the storm water and water and the have a think it's what the world requires five hundred gallons per minute so they give you five minutes so i think the fire department can only protect the fifteen hundred square foot structure so anything larger than fifteen hundred feet in effect doesn't have a fire protection they've got pro hose out come up to my property in order to get anything over the paper they have to shuttle so close proximity without fire protection so if we could all work together we might be able to get so pooling to create a dry high ground so there could be fire protection but i think this property have the same person i asked a question about whether the this is actually some point of information that she assumed that the half acre dwelling was just for individual rulings but it's clearly the regs that's not graded that doesn't appear to me to be any chance of cooling in that area and septic system by definition already shown that it percolates properly but experts you know but what i wanted to take issue with mr carroll is this comes up with your hearing testimony from i just want to point out he's a non expert that we've had to state evaluated i have evaluated i'm licensed to do that he's a he's a very male civil engineer thoroughly covered all that so i understand there are storm water issues everywhere but we've thoroughly eval flows is it fair to say that regardless of the fact that this this project doesn't technically trigger a permit you still because of the performance standards want to not have any impact on voters i e you don't want any starlight traveling off the site und that they need something or above standards and that's going to be a judgment call about whether it's really we don't you know about what can be provided persis what you know the site constraints are and so we're not it's the property or something that we sit are in our decision making process so i mean i don't see that you guys have another place to put this well on the property so i don't know enough and i'm not saying that we need decisions testimony from the fire department about what they think about the layout and all of them to make up to this for the right way you have to say does that mean able to you can they can you meet the twenty seventh to make a drawing of