are going to present moral arguments day would step up to the podium and please identify yourselves for the record challenging as the defamatory remarks there's nothing in the titian that suggests anything about these particular remarks that is notifying or communicating with the i r s regarding church members offerings is in the kitchen so how do we get from that particular statement and say that the images which are the attorney fees from death dissolution matter relate aris first minute complaint alleges that this disciplinary authority and that this or that the false statement that was made it was empire what caused the divorce  allegation petition for dissolution was attached to that verified come claim it wasn't attached to the first amended complaint that was the subject of the first minute complaint but i am aware that it is at the back and with respect to the petition for dissolution the petition does referred though to this to the action of the church taking action against mr meehan on it and while it does not specifically aware there are three different elements of a false light claim including that that the plaintiff was placed in a false light before the public as a result of the defendant's action that the false play on which the plaintiff was placed was would be highly offensive to reasonable person and that within the memorandum so extends beyond just his particular church however it it's still reasonable for him to have been offended by the statement you then beyond just the church there are plenty of situations where someone be justified that another member outside of the attorney community will understand or they necessarily have to be offended in the same way but it is still something where that particular person would be justified in feeling aggrieved lucian's regarding malice and regarding that they made these statements when the they were false there is no particular description of i mean there is the petition it was filed within the church but are these really sense perception in the community and then making those statements knowing that it would have the potential ramifications could go to show that there would back up that there community let's talk about your last count the intentional infliction of emotional distress perhaps the most difficult court to allege certainly would you agree it is a very that you think this supports that this conduct  complaint is the statement that he that the allegation was that he was reporting offerings of church members to the i correct that is the statement yes yes and so even though it's not per se we have to get through all these other facts to try to reach the notion that it's somehow  defamatory how does that show or demonstrate replete anything that is the kind of case that the supreme court in the other case she jest amounts to intentional infliction of emotional distress but also the nature of the disciplinary proceedings that s s a with that defamatory statement and that it was the statement that that conduct so there's a defamatory statement but the conduct was also included is that it's a petition and within the religious community and that way is presented it to the entire community and alleging it with respect to defend its conduct to cause actually causing me under severe emotional stress but he went on and explained aside divorce was causally related to these statements or perhaps all was going with me church is a result of comments that he claims are false and forty years divorced him as a result of the statements the false statements and everything else that was going on within the church because of this petition do you think that would amount to intentional infliction of emotional dis basis in fact that it big here and is dishonored the children are also considered dishonored as a result of something that the father or mother did so combining that with the divorce that you know to some people would be akin to excommunication from a church in the head to in mr moon's church and like religion is very important  was a deacon hold those in both types of positions accountable i cannot speak to every religion and i believe many religions have some discipline in this particular case they had these options to do so petition getting back to mr lee's point if the food is problematic in the green church should we didn't anticipate that it would be problematic and subject to outrageous that it was based on information that was not true oh in a room i would not expect lawsuits to be filed anytime disciplinary proceedings were instituted against a member of another church  but it is for those proceedings i situated on false information it may be something that would warrant the court's attention given given the importance  that many people place on religion in being a part of a religious society what makes it extreme and outrageous as in the case is the fact that it would be based on false information and not just