done really well to me at least so they continue to be ok i think we we were talking about how that kind of work with us the telecommunications facility is essentially adding that the state has a role in it and the more i thought about it i mean that's fine add that but then just wondering if we really do want to add some more you know do a little more thinking about what we began thinking about if it's something that you all want to try to have a stronger stance on where they should go and that and i think susan you brought this up that that will probably be informed more by what the conservation commission perf but i just wanted to make sure you were else sort of on board with to try to not have towers go up to the name those spots specifically and if by chance there are that doesn't pop up then being you know as specific as possible saying we don't want them on our  you support better you know inner internet access and you know in general energy saving or energy conserving projects or you know sort of all along that line but say you know even though we in a fire protection i spoke with kerry there with his last name and he's very yeah he's the full time fire guy for the town for the department that network of mountain bike trails overseen by fellowship of the we will again be rethinking your thoughts one landowner has shut off so shut off fellowship but there is a gap where one landowner post is long and in this point i don't think it's going to be extended decides to play just the next so it can i do not bike so i'm wondering if instead of maybe we should just refer to that other section the network mountain bike trails as depicted in the transportation section or as depicted  and then if you're looking at a town we like to tell about making what i am questioning is why i call out bike trails overseen by fellow yeah we'll have any differently than all the other bike trails that exist in town like i think there's a lot more there are a yeah with the energy task force there's no limit to how ever many people ok so i think just i'm bored so and nine members and i mean i don't even know how many and we have at this point o see the only other thing yeah the supports working on it and i think the goal is by the end of the year to have it would be that yeah i didn't mean to do that  kind of like having it in there difference between ten point one going to point to ten point one two three one is evaluate blah blah blah and then the other one is implement like i could afford a motorcycle break and in this way i could use my money desirables sort of incorporates affordability because if you want it but you can't afford it it's not desirable so  when desirable and if ease of all about practical building i don't know that you know it's interesting because you know the property that i own news i'm history you know they'll schoolhouse in the corner of the front of the shirt or something system of the house the town had to weigh in on that historically speaking because there were issues with the septic system so i don't know what that meant to know how that paragraph or in the sense pertains to that but you know that was wasn't considered a i don't know i don't know but on a day that's right but maybe it's in there because because there are twenty years ago to be there some problems were well and i wonder if i'm not sure when the showed up that when the state took over jurisdiction maybe there was a lot of concern about lack of local inputting control i mean this was a way to say this is a way to voice and i heard it and it doesn't seem like it's been a problem with well then you could say the same thing about ten point one women here keep reading the rest of the implementations though and if that's not consistent they're right our first read on one point three point one would be consistent with one point three point t aesthetic appeal because look at the three point so you're looking to bury wires or utilities you don't want to see them write in three point three you want to reduce the number of overhead power communication lines with the we go the limitation so goal is to not have each of the first ha insinuate that there's punctuation in the sense where there is and then we try to break it into pieces i just i mean we're going to fold the thought whatever it is and so maybe we need to change with that the first thought is i  where towers shouldn't be ok but the only reason we're not doing that right now is because we might actually do that before this plan was done so that's why katherine added that we're going to revisit this because it's the same issue that we had a few minutes ago we're going to wait and see what two spots where they can get large enough septic systems to be adequate for all the houses so they have communities so if we want more density in certain areas do we ideally want to have been consuming taishan that says that we want to encourage to do we want to encourage developers to do more come in the systems is it better for land use is it better for quality control is it better for managing risk what like if you can assume a hand because everybody needs a c and filter then you don't have enough land to build more so i already or you wind up with a what you wind up with a very technologically advanced expensive you can't have a traditional just sort of then i'd have one of those alternative technology advance can out here to write for no reason to think is more technology technologically advanced the more expensive right so you're cell slope love but to say like we're setting everything up for them to be only done by developers not like little old me who wants to build a little house in the big investment but to have sewer or waste water and to have public water oh that's a lot ok if you don't have that then the only option is for a company like peak to come in and thirty houses hopefully the you know the form base code or whatever gives you a result that you want but do you realize that by not doing that like does everybody else get that and i'm just getting it now typically or do they not really get that and it would be helpful to understand that true you know i think typically a lot of taxpayers sort of prefer that way because it puts the owners of the developer the developers the ones putting the community systems in so the taxpayers are so that's what that doesn't exist in the rest of the town because the town has mandated it and the developer has to buy because you think about trying to get it right you're right in the green we want businesses here if i'm a doctor going to build a commercial building i'm going to find one to rent wants to build on it can't there's people who own thirty acres and so i am not sure i see it as a problem because i'm not sure that if we change it if we must have as i say for someone owns a quarter acre and wants to develop it wants to put a house there while everybody zoning but you want to have a couple of retail spaces or doctors offices and then you know you put that back on whoever was going to develop it whether it's private or as a developer you know it made that happy or that would be the only way to sort of open up the avenues for more possibilities than just i was in if using your doctor's reference but i don't know how to i don't know where we stand you know in our current zoning that would would ma practical financially practical time you want i don't know i guess maybe the quite the question is what we in town has contracted for transportation studies and this study and their study have they ever everywhere turned out to be every test was an anomaly because there was no lead anywhere to be found i mean we have to leave it there was no rock it was there and we were talking about tens of thousands of square feet there was no rock you know i water systems she can learn for the riverside area and we don't have to do that necessarily commission study to do that but to sort of put it in there yeah just put it on their radar like you know you're if you want that to happen faster and you want to better our lives that it'll happen a lot this is one thing that you could do with the reality is down there the only way that that is going to take place gonna five so about one says work with other community groups which isn't exactly so work with other community groups including land trust potentially i'm thinking out loud to create a movement o lacy i don't know but that is the gist seems a little weird yeah i mean maybe not one point six according to dr is enough well it is it though because that's talk specifically about recreation and the land trust is also interesting like habitat and connectivity and it's not just recreation right maybe the action of your strategy is that's another of the strategy talks about open spaces trails recreation facility and parkland right so that's all we need maybe well we're going to take out the thing about the p d back in the cemetery section it says in some areas this may be an appropriate use of p v open space that is not have hard natural resource more about this but so i go to you and i say i want to build a new hood for you to houses and i'll put in a cemetery too and that i'm part of my open space calculation a cemetery would you have to have that but you have to have open new i don't see it as a need doesn't mean it's not needed it's never heard of a need for cemetery space i'm not opposed to it it seems weird to me but i'm opposed to it but out but i don't see a reason to implement that lino you know we don't know any numbers like that there's a lose a lot of argument out there for i mean if you're marketing your town i mean even though they say readership may be low it's still always a good move you know well this question is what's the value of the effervescent  i think what was going through this i thought wow there's just a lot of information here and then when i found out where'd we have this transportation study and there are two so it almost seems like  of information or i think we should just be referencing this a lot more but that doesn't mean that a lot of the information isn't valid so as i was kind of think you just sort of like a format change that you know this this starts out with the commute set is the very beginning thing where it's important and i'm not sure why that would lead off a chapter  i think in leading off with some general characteristics of commuters or you know transportation the way it works in the town even the kind of roads we have and the stuff that's all really laid out in detail later on i think could be summarized as dark in it was going to page yeah and then and then go into here's we have this transfer to great transportation study that goes at this in detail and then i think then talk about well here are some of the problems we have are the issues that we're facing and so some of that is we have some failed intersections and intersections are going to get worse we have needs for lights and pedestrians to get around better you know those kind of things could be you know i think this chapter could be cut in a third next actually think this summer and then i think our maps maybe could be updated to increasing in traffic in the future you know that kind of thing so you know summarize what this says where appropriate and they are can we copy and paste some of the key charts like they the transportation study sort of summarize the roads in volume wise and they were kind of like if it's ten thousand or more yeah those are and you know if it was five thousand six thousand ten thousand or something that chart was really helpful yes it was more that's that in my mind the goal is to try to communicate this information but in a much more concise understandable way so then i think that would really be good and  do we need to eat it kind of the comparison a little bit between the implementation steps that are already in the way that we would update her to what the recommendations from a study and then we can you know figure out what what is important and not necessarily everything in the transportation study we want to have and there's a lot of time spent on this it seems like there are some we probably would want to have good consideration at least so the documents you sent us one was a draft and one was the final and then another one was a draft and the final and i think they were all drafts i think they were the draft is one thing  so we're going to put that chapter on hold for now yeah does anyone else have any other general thoughts like way what you really think it helpful what's i know it's on wielding but i really couldn't figure out the new plan looks at a future of twenty thirty five so it would be looking at fifteen versus twenty thirty five and i started going through after i sent out a copy and look at the appropriate level of growth for the town i saw that the state had done some projections and that's this c c d scenario b over here and th some of that data and one is considering my more healthy economy the other is considering not as healthy economy and then switches that the regional planning document that for the county  did and had a different approach that they did and so apparently most towns have use this eco's projection and study the state projection there they're projecting lower numbers pretty pretty approval and i think the scenario b actually it's bigger numbers the one thing i would say about the eco projections is that they they took of i think a better look at what we have said in the town of where we want our growth to be and how we want the town to grow versus the state i mean the one thing where we're making progress but we keep putting things aside because we need to get back to me she says yes perfectly natural so should we so for next next meeting do you think you'll have time to to work on it have to transportation rewrite yeah i think  have that we can do that and housing yeah let's give it a shot definitely transportation housing i haven't looked at it that much i think the natural resources that would be i think still reasonable to think that that could be when we think we're going to review the data from the survey because that was one of the dominating topics me probably does everywhere i go that's my thought right so i just didn't know how that related to our schedule she said so you know data summary results before the next meeting