and if you look in it civil unions so that people can you know take care of their deceased when they go on or vice versa i mean somebody passes and you know somebody is you know give the caesar what caesar's give the his guy but you know when you talk about consequences you know i heard you mention about business well you know that's ok i can understand it but you know you have to look at the other person's side it's opposing this and you know if you're reading the book there are consequences for doing things that are not in line with the will of god as well so i mean you really got to present both sides ok let's present both sides ok hold on let's present the civil side in other words we basically have a controversy where you cannot hold prejudice against anybody for their beliefs for just a moment everything we hold it that every person should have the same right as the other person ok ok now but religiously if you lay with man lay with man woman lay with woman they're going to go to hell there's been one common denominator for the rise and fall of nations actually there's been several but one that's always been tossed in that it's pretty consistent is this very issue so i and i'm not condoning anybody you know i you know what about the get its married having affairs issues does probably worse but the point is you know if you when we bring these things up we got to look at both sides do i do i want my kids growing up thinking that there are consequences to certain actions i certainly don't and i think that's probably the concern most people when they fight this ok but here's a question you know if you read the bible bible literally and you follow the canons of catholicism which i am then there are consequences on your soul for man lying with man woman lying with woman not just soul i'm talking about society fine if you want to talk in other words everything that you're talking about in terms of religion and what is right and wrong in terms of the bible and so forth none of that has anything to do you're mixing two things you're mixing two things now i want to talk about the one i commented on i think the idea of god and religion in this discussion doesn't not be long in our government ever because you mention god a lot of people don't even believe in god god is a god as it is i believe in god and go to church and all this stuff but i'm not making other you bring up a common denominator of the fall of societies is that they allow like saying ancient rome men were allowed to lay with men and women were allowed to lay with women and maybe that's why the whole society you'd only reason but mentioned is one common denominator but go ahead ok and so do you believe that do you think that if a man lies with man woman lives of women it's going to be the downfall of american society and do i believe look at this and we're going to have a serious discussion about it let's look at it in the scope of the history of of civilization now we're talking about here and today and again i'm going to say so in that nobody misunderstands me raise the sensitivity to those who are opposed because of the consequences that they feel for for their kids or whatever the bottom line is if you're going to sit there and deny that this is not a common denominator throughout history then i'd say you better check your book ok so so no but you're kind of saying it but i mean there are a lot of people who believe that the downfall common denominator ok but you're kinda saying it but you're not saying is a word we just have to we have to bring it into the conversation but you don't want to say that it's a big mean you either say it or you don't i mean if we let  already said it's a common denominator is it the only one no it's not and it is existed throughout history enough you want to change history rewrite the books i guess you can and you can deny that it's wrong i'm not react i'm not  saying that it's not i'm just saying that when you're sitting these folks are sitting down to vote on whether we should put a possible constitutional amendment one man one woman and no benefits for anybody who has  same sex partner or anything like that or they die they don't get any of their stuff all that stuff and i understand all that i mean if you're going to sit down and that's going to be one of your reasons like you hey man you know what in ancient rome man was lying with man and woman was