twenty second two thousand and thirteen at seven pm in the board of selectmen is meeting with town hall for fifty five hundred haven't you to consider a request from the town of belmont school department to modify the design and site plan approval previously granted for the wellington elementary school in order to install a solar energy system open trans c seven five hundred seventeen solar panels and associated conduit little background so the so the wellington school initially came to this board for for site plan review right of you know the board actually and and has been back before us a couple of times for some of the modifications and  boston location without medical families as is that the annual custom otherwise dr king's themself would be at this evening so thank you for hearing this issue by way of background without taking a lot of time which many in the audience that's hear this the soul in a project that's before you today is a result of a competitive procurement a regular and archie process that was done in accordance with the department of energy resources and proposes a reviewed by roger colt schools supporting this initiatives by that i mean there are concrete blocks in every pre engineered with a certain weight to make sure that the rock so securely sit on the roof without blowing off or the high winds and in  solar energy the good thing about this particular project where used to go to planning boards and talking about wetlands and in hiding the solar arrays with trees and fence sizes and we took a walk around the school  you can't see these from the street now that maybe a better is that can see them from a second floor window but i believe if you walk around the school you will be able to see these units and example of what these may look like our next step would be to hire an engineering firm whole actually probably want to look at the drawings of the school and probably make a field visit and they do a pretty detailed study just to make sure that the weights involved on the roof will not do harm to the roof and the school building structure is adequate to support the system so that would be our next step in the process to design to the intent to the design of worked a lot of them with  roof for safety there is a there is although it looks like a flood in the field of solar panels there is like a fourteen and a half inch space like between the rows so there is slight access to the east west  usable area in the school and you know when you laid out you had to take into effect shading if there's a mechanical equipment or a different levels you have to take in this into effect drifting when you have different levels and so our design has at all taken it to play and then we do try to somewhat you know maximize the open space of the roof to bring the best you know to pray at k w up and bring the most value in production to the to the particular school the system's going to be tied what they called directly behind the meter so in other words when the power is generated from the system on the roof it directly comes down and ties right into the electoral system of out from the ones i did submit the other thing another step we take assuming if we get the boards approval of i have to contact to the roof manufacturer in  what's called a sole an integrator agreement signed with him what happens there is we before we start any work on the roof we get the roofing manufacturer out he doesn't inspection and writes a report we will do our work and then he will come back and re inspect the installation in the roof and sign off on it that is to ensure that the roof of guarantee does remain in place and in a design with some conversation previously with some of the directors of facilities and the schools apartment to bridge when we were looking at like a central inverter which was like one larger inverter and but at times he's already located outside all within a building in a have it with us but did the building hide itself probably about you know thirty thirty feet on average there's you know they're not destroyed totally leveled what do you get the and the across the street is is i actually wrote down the street in the in in writing down the next three data that you you can you even see the school saw i don't i don't see the only room in my opinion the only i don't see that anyone would be able to see any of this from any lot of people in the audience don't have this information you know so we've worked with the the wrecking manufacturer which in in the solar industry they omit only pieces that hold up and also you know to the roof is called the rocking it's just a support system and we've gone through an engineer design with a company called pinnacle of the charter north stand over we've done probably twelve school systems in massachusetts with this product  after if we're successful home here moving forward on the project we reach out to our engineering partner which is a company called us teenage war watertown engineering firm structural and they take that information from our design and they through a structural evaluation they'll get the drawings from the original school know look at the loads and will confirm that the weights that are on the designed you know the structure itself can adequately hold handle and meet  requirements for the added weight that will go on the roof in the the the the actual weight of the blocks for the panels like not to blow off the roof that that's part of the design they've already fellas that and designed it based on on it is i and that will you know meet their criteria to keep everything on the roof and on the structure guy just make sure that that way required to keep that on the roof of the building itself can handle and so you kind of have to design criteria as with where the bells that system cause the system is not on penetrate there's no coal you know the roof there's no holes through the roof there's no mechanical department a fire department so you kind of so it becomes a number of steps along the way we've seen you could probably talk to them before me but in the past projects with it and this is the first real solar system that's come before because the plane the board but typically on the package is complete with engineer driving so one would hope ok i mean our past president precedent is that we we do have the final ok you know i just want to say that you know i think we as a planning board you know i myself personally am very supportive about solar energy and solar solar panels and you know this is the first commercial project that's come before us this planning board with the energy committee worked on drafting one of the first solar energy bylaws so only by laws you know in the state and i'm happy i'm actually proud to say that it's become a model and a template for a lot of other communities in the state but as you said part of our job is to ask the hard questions because we don't want unintended consequences and we do want to make sure that you know the quality of and character of our neighborhoods you know our are protected in this process so so you're going to hear some some tough questions you do have you know in response to mike's question i think you do have a disclaimer on your plan saying that the plan based change after you do your structural design so so it's kind of like saying well here's our plan but it's not our final plan it's not the real plan that that we may rely on i do understand though you're concerned you don't want to incur expense and go down the road and then come before us and find out that there's more controversy to this than expected if your plan work to change if this board and this is a question if this board were to approve the plan and after your structural study was completed your plan were to change would you bring it before the board again at a show and maybe that's one way of giving you the reaction of the community and the reaction of the board him he said this is you know it is the first commercial solar installation but they have it there also as i alluded to earlier on you know different groups have been before us on this school for some very sensitive issues it has been noise issues entry you've heard about them and and you know we need to get it right we need to make sure that we're making an informed decision and you know the lack of elevation doesn't help you know i did and i'm not dissing just trusting your subjective opinion i'd be believe what you say but you know a picture is worth a thousand words for the you know for people that don't do this every day to be able to see the outside elevations of the building in from an angle from street level what you would or wouldn't see would be very helpful i know you only project thirteen inches off the roof but you know some of them very close to the edge of the inspection is part of a roofing integrator agreement that you have to sign with a manufacture in order to maintain the warranty of the roof so basically what they do is they do the previous question say everything's good they let us do our work they come back contractor that has installed the roof itself which we've reached out to already for this integrated part of that integrates agreement yet to actually sign that you will use a specific shot of fill roofing certified proof or so it isn't that we send someone from down the street co op in the repair it has to be sort of fired from the manufacturer in order to maintain the warranty of the roof so i give you a little cap period where they concerned with you take or leave the roof then what's going up on the roof so in our own liability you know with with putting something on the shelf we can we try to our belts to desire that's very popular design with we come back with all the transit done because just as you're sick you're reluctant to make investments without some certainty that the job you know is going to see because you've seen where that goes and it isn't always a good place for you to buy the same token we've seen the train pick up speed and so we end up with a funny design that we wouldn't have to prove that by that time it's so far along that it's very difficult to call it that extended set of hearings on something called cushing village one of the benefits of that was in the process we asked almost every question that you could possibly ask about any construction that will take place in belmont so we're in a position to recycle some of this quest so i want to recycle a couple of questions we are very environmentally conscious here in bel air so first is that you mentioned that  there would be no noise i think that's terrific and i think that to be a completion of a because it is fairly easy to see when you're standing up here but in terms of wall on the inverters are no one there and when i said no noise i wasn't talking about i was talking about the system itself one is functioning after it's on and and and and no you know operating and the inverters themselves up are under sixteen you know the property line but that's something that the engineers will have to have to determine because again nor you sensitivity here is is a very very important issue and at the very least would make it a condition that is at the end of we would rather see it up front and  good my question is just there will obviously need to be construction equipment and so forth and so on just to get an idea of what that period is going to be since that's inherently somewhat disruptive to the neighborhood and then my third and last question is just i want to follow up on joe's earlier question about the end when the job is finished and the  it's it's like you know up retrograde a truck delivered something c a g on from where and we try to coordinate them to deliver first thing in the morning we tend to try to work closely with the schools and we've done a lot of schools we know the buses are the keys and we can do certain things before school and after school it makes it easier for them the actual there to be no storage no construction trailers no ending left on the site to go away what we do on a job th school typically on a weekend and the material the blocks the panels the racking all comes on a flatbed we have a crane and everything goes from the street to the roof in a one operation and then all the work's does you know we in years fifteen to twenty or might guarantee eighty percent of what it was in the first few years but there is a twenty year warranty on to go in the years were to go for the inverters last fifteen years or so years but you know what the true histories you know of the space are in national space programs and things like that that of have been used in these things in the in the in the construction and you know a lot of the systems up we've have systems that have been on for five years and they're you know they're they're running for fine in the end we have the warranties but the you know the the it is the history right but in general that was part of the prius yes from that we do you don't like when you get a roof that's twenty s it's about to the solar panels a school in the town is hoping never of last forty years because they don't have the money or the resource a partner a place in another twenty years ok and that school committee has reviewed that and has made comments on what panel should be removed so that they don't block access ok that's good any equipment on the ground or will it all be confined to the came out it was interesting to hear that when we began this process that the proposal or the intent was to have solar planet animals on each of the schools and only the wellington because it was new enough and under the existing building code that the roof was built a whole solar systems and we simply couldn't may just thirty seconds to describe the financing of the project as sami alluded to it but this project is financed through what's called a purchase power agreement the purchase power agreement  involves the developer and its own expense placing solar panels on the roof or the wellington and that the town pays nothing for that installation the developer pays for the installation the developer pays for all the maintenance the developer pays for all the repairs that about it or pays for the removal of the system at the end of the twenty year contract  because the developer in the contract provides a guaranteed production and the developer actually has a substantial incentive to make sure that the solar panels are working and repaired and maintain on a regular basis because the town will get the financial benefit of the guaranteed production whether or not the solar panels are actually producing dad electricity at the end of twenty years there's a twenty year contract at the end of twenty years two things can actually three things can happen one is that the town can simply say we're done the contract is over come take the panels off the second thing that can happen is the town can say via the contract is over we want to purchase the panels and have those panels belong to us the air as a community and we will get the full benefit of the solar production without pain any of the for any of the electricity production and the third and probably most likely scenario is that there is an opportunity for a five year extension and every five years depending upon the condition of the panels at the time there will be an opportunity for the town to decide whether they want to remove the panels purchase the panels or extend the contract or in a dish we'll time the last thing that i wanted to mention because we talked a little bit about construction and it was explained that this isn't a construction project in the traditional sense of a construction project the materials get brought out on a weekend on a non school day get put on the roof and then it's a matter of the electricians basically coming out and working on the roof to have to arrange an install of those panels so it's not a traditional construction project such as we're going through on my street with a neighbor across the street rebuilding  a a garage and adding that in addition on with the construction vehicles but my point was going to be that under the contract and there is a contract that's been signed with broadway between the belmont public schools and contract the responsibility and the authority over the school is vested in the principal and the belief is that it's it's really the principal school so if there's something occurring on the school or at the school which the principal in his or her sole discretion believes it's contrary to the interests of the school the principal it's her school and she has a say over what happens in and around her school so i would encourage you and i would ask you to approve this i believe that the conditions that have been  mentioned are appropriate and in reasonable that the town is going to see a financial benefit from this because they pay we as a community will pay less for electricity produced by the solar panels and the town in the schools would pay for buying the same amount of electricity from belmont light meant there's a financial benefit there's an environmental benefit there's an educational to tell you the discussions that when into performance guarantees and those they could stretch and guarantee in a in a long term performance guarantee and we worked very early on that that went into a fact this past summer to help pay for the the substation that the substation to be the electricity prices being paid by the belmont public schools approached nine cents and at broadway's price is about ten percent below what that was then there is a contractual escalation rate for the electricity for the price mean paid for electricity to broadway which is in my opinion quite favorable to the town two percent  year if we if the rest of us are also lucky as to have electricity only go up two percent a year for the next twenty years we will be very very lucky bad guys so to the extent that electricity  seems is setting aside the environmental impacts and looking only at the financial impacts to the extent that this solar project that delivers k w h to the belmont public schools eligible for the accelerated depreciation or the tax credits in any of that so the town hires a private developer the developer takes the tax credits takes the accelerated depreciation at the end of the day or perhaps somewhere during the day when we know we know what the electricity bill was at the wellington last year we know how many kilowatt hours it uses we know what the cost is we know what the split is between the developer broadway so what is the in the first year so we're not worrying about fluctuating energy prices what is the cost savings to the school to the wellington school the first year this is in operation i'm looking for a dollar number which you must have had when you laid out the  you mentioned in your description that the like the school was designed with the intent of receiving this type of a solar array on the roof so the is that correct that then the likelihood that there would be a significant need for negotiated the the p p a is that there won't be a change in the structural review while it has to occur isn't being done in a vacuum have been conversations with that that there roofing company we had any number of conversations about the warranty because my life was threatened by the powers something needs to be done to the roof just as normal maintenance the town pays to take the solar panels off and repair the roof and  and proceed but to the point is that those conversations have been ongoing for almost a year and a half now and so on the expectation is that there will be a change i can't say you know never say never yes you come on about in the back row i'm sorry and that they would somehow come down to the mechanicals i just i don't know if you could show me where it would they come down on the face of the wall and then connect to great project but i bring a little perspective to it because of my experience i have two questions first of all why can't the inverters go in the basement  see the panels because they're up higher but i would have no objection to seeing a panel stay there on my roof you can see him from the street they look great but my second question is why the conservative angle of fifteen degrees i can think of several good reasons to do that one is to keep the when share from tending to lift them another is to keep people visually less apparent from the street and times you can't see them you drove on glendale road i suppose it's educating see the school you actually you can see the school from from our houses down the streets and you can certainly hear it so we have an existing noise problem and what daryl mentioned about the inverters if they could go into the basement you would take that off the table because adding sixty six decibels i also want to ask is there any a change to the resonance in the neighborhood by adding metal panels facing us we face or south of you were an orchard street we have had already when you add that many handles and i can see them through from my second story my third story because ronnie hill so all the issues about what you can see from the street what you deflecting of noise maybe the reflecting noise from your own inverters and also from the existing units that have acting is like a reverse exactly right and also is there a glare issue because we used to have that with the old wellington their windows they would at certain points the day you couldn't sit and your table she didn't glare from here will we have glare i don't know with fifty degrees we will be able to see them you know you said i thought i wrote down you said i don't know ye see them because you might not be able to see them on one side of the building but you can definitely see them on the other fairmont as you go up with leaves them off you can see the other issue is when you say the loudest for the highest operation would be july and august that's the one part of the year that willing to sometimes clients down there what you're telling us is we're having sixty six decibels over the summer to the building so again you could minimize the noise by putting the inverters downstairs so w long some ways but in terms of efficiency of the technology panels if you were to see it twenty thirty percent increase in ten years is there any provisions work into the contract five percent per year what the way that might be handled is that there is a provision that for the town to have the opportunity to buy this system and do whatever wishes i believe in year twelve and your fifth starting at year twelve and then again it year fifteen so if there is some dramatic breakthrough in technology which isn't expected the town at its discretion would have the lockett precinct seven town meeting member i want to thank you guys for all following this through i know it's been a really long process for the energy committee after  passed their climate action plan etc i have a couple of questions first about new ways i think the new one is right it's the sun only only right is that during the day it's not generating anything out doing any conversion when the sun is down ok who will benefit in the summer months when the students are not and is there a c s c customer support and energy opportunity where other members in the neighborhood other buildings other residents have an opportunity to benefit from that energy generated panel needs to be used on site at the building or at the building on which the solar panel is installed but remember the solar panels at the wellington will produce something over twenty percent of the wellingtons electricity when david and the folks at cadmus modeled the at that hour by hour production and it was maybe one percent of the hours where which is this sunday afternoon on an august where there would be excess production that would be fed back in to the system  for i know we can talk about this offline is there any room for discussion on that i don't know hopefully if there would be room for discussion at bat that should be counted down that fine that it own sat at the old incinerator site and should the board of selectmen decide  that incinerator site is a possible site for at sun a solar panel installation hopefully we would be able to have a conversation with belmont light about that area and the other stanton royal road am i correct in understanding that the town pays for the metered electricity that it receives not not for some theoretical amount for we were very cloudy year and there's much less production than and there's less electricity in the tempest but yeah so there's so there's a strong incentive on the part of the owners of the system to maximize its performance and the folks from broadway for coming and presenting tonight i'm an environmental consultant i study climate change and advise e p a and local communities on the impacts of climate change and mitigating climate change emissions my quest i'm very supportive of this project for the record and i would invite the planning board to communicate with other planning boards and other communities who have pursued solar on schools and other municipal buildings there are many many communities all around massachusetts and indeed our immediate neighbors who have done so and i think are experiencing the benefits of this project but i do have one specific question and that is does anybody here know in comparison noise levels of a central ac unit that sits outside of a residential home and in something no ok please we just have a lot of other changes in margaret waters which is three question on the return of investment somebody mentioned there are five hundred seventeen panels twelve hundred dollar your savings two dollars and forty cents a handle is that the return on investment that we're doing five months of construction for i know there's a future in your future savings as well and we save it we had your bet we had ourselves against cost of inflation raises i just wanted to mention that that seemed low compared to the level of effort and disruption that's all i am excited about solar i just was surprised by the return on investment being at that point thank you thank you for this will be the last logarithmic scale so sixty decibels is this stowing to seventy is ten times eighty is one hundred times so this is somewhere in the range of one tenth to one one hundredth of the volume of a chill so just to give people a sense of relative scale in terms of noise generated and they are screened which cuts that down is that of a problem thank you ok so done with questions a ny further questions from the board the only other question i'd i'd add is has the fire department seen these and what about fire safety and  quickly it can be pulled together but i think i think we need to look at the alternative of the inverters in the equipment i think that's a good image thing to look at and how long it would take to put together but you know eliminating any kind of noise on this particular roof with the issues that have been there would be i think a feather in the cap of the designers i think we'd like to see some elevations i think we need to effect that it has on because of this a review process this effect that it has on the neighborhood and that's what our concern is the issues that we talk about finances and all those good things are really outside of our purview  so if the school the partner wants to go ahead with this if the the fire department and all those kind of processes are in place  would i would be i would be inclined to to go forward with this project with the proviso that we would put a number of requirements on them in terms of noise in terms of glare in terms of some other kinds of things in that that those have to be vetted be with the project is operational but i mean in those are the issues that  are our main issues the rest of those the sort of from the planning views boards point of view aren't what what's within our our sc both so that they could go ahead with the project and do it they have to do and then come back and have the actual order in place it with the conditions that's my suggestion know me and i'm uncomfortable saying go ahead and do something and then we'll wait to see to the end what we have to fix that's that's what we've been through on this project and and you know this board ends up taking a lot of heat for that and  know i think we need to be proactive and make those determinations up front and they know they can all be made i know there's a money issue and i know there's a time issue you know frankly those are issues who you know we have we have neighborhoods to protect and and  residents to protect and you know i'm just trying to figure out how how we can do it in a timely enough manner that you can get it in time to get your you get your funding and i don't know that you know that we want a vote or a temporary approve whatever that that's going to be good right now well we could certainly get a sense i mean we've been struggling for a sense of where the border is we can certainly hold the board and see where the board is in terms of their benefit there's a i mean you know there's no cost up front to the time but the benefit you have to think of what the effect is on the neighborhood and to me i know that they could it sounds like you guys are more than willing to work with the town and you know bringing her to an eccentric cetera but the glare thing i just think that there's a few other issues that right now i feel like i've given a green light on just just to add my thoughts i personally am very supportive ok i'm very supportive of solar panels and very supportive of this project as a planning board member charged with the task of reviewing and protecting impacts on the community and one of our express conditions of a site plan a full will is to make sure that a project complies with our bylaws it troubles me when our by law says there shall not be any solberg relayer later on on a bonding properties particularly when they're residential and you look out as here and you say well this project is too small for us to  panels if there's a glare on residential properties in a very dense community the reaction is going to be tough luck i don't think that satisfactory will you secure so i don't know no no i understand but put yourself in this position you looked at us and said i cannot guarantee there will not be solar glare on the residences so you just have to eat it up planning five six seven eight hundred thousand dollars if there is glare from this project the at that on the property values in that community alone more than justify that study  please leave the rest of the planning board and see if they agree i suggest we have a cooling down period ok i suggest we continue the public hearing and why don't we have a discussion among ourselves along lines of that approach at our next meeting but it gives us a chance to absorb what was done maybe you can come up with some creative the purpose is to come up with ideas it's not to deny a project or to kill a project ok self jeffrey w have to be sensitive to the neighborhood and i just don't think we have enough guarantees for these neighbors that were told originally when a school was built that there would be no noise and they were kept up months and months at night with this crazy noise that i still am not sure if it's resolved so it's a sensitivity that you're hearing here and i think she makes a good point a little cooling down period is probably probably a good idea i would i would welcome anything noise related to come back on that night  lastly the noise issue with putting the aversions i'd like to see if you guys can do that in come back and say yes we can do this or we can whatever that is that is and we can deal with it on the fifth if we have if we have a meeting and we will have to make that determination before we continue the hearing i think historic commission warrant from from the commission to finalize a powerpoint presentation we already finalized and frequently asked questions i guess we're going to run through that tomorrow night at a  presentation which would not be a big part of it i guess the story commission will do most of the presentation we're being asked to weigh in and you know give a little background and in our heart of it would you like to stand up for us are you going to be solutions to citizens petition on demolition moratorium this we could take two weeks on but we're not going to go we had another meeting last night joe was kind enough to attend jeffrey was there going clancy was there from the town judith and group how many people were there there were a lot of us citizens there it was it was a good meeting in the you know we it's hard with so many people because it's an emotional issue and that we tend to start to rehash the same items in it kind of a different form and although we got think i think we got a lot out of it last night i did anyway and but i think i think what we need to do is have another working session but i think we need to have it with a much smaller group where we can actually put some things to paper make sure that we can do them zoning wise and and state law wise and i bet i've asked joe to sit with me on that along with jeffrey and glenn again and we're going to see if we can have town council involved just so that we can put some things to paper and come up with with some pretty concrete approaches that we can then bring back to what i would say would be one last citizens group working session and then open up a hearing and start the public process to do it is you comfortable being an incremental thing you know we may you know like anything we're not going to get everything it's just not going to be possible but we will make some some advances and you know put some protections in place to the to the degree that we can't like when you but you know and unfortunately it's a cloud over all of it is state law so you know whether a community can go down a path or not it's still zoning law is still very you know specific so we have to be careful of that but thank you  their their filing for a zoning waiver being a utility i guess they have the right the ability to do that and sammy suggested to them at the time that although you have the ability to do that and you may get that approved it's probably a good idea for transparency reasons and for community reasons to still come before the planning board for site plan review and they were in favor of that at the time they still are incidentally but they've changed council since then and new new council really wasn't to get before us to have to do to open up our site plan review of the building design i guess is pretty finalize it's a little different it was originally they've actually moved the equipment from a place you could view it to behind a building on the railroad side which should help so as i suggested to them you know screening issues noise issues those are going to be the things we're concerned about and they're happy to to come to us and if if there's an issue after that as a result of an appeal that could come up then square overlay district review for potential improvements i've been approached a number of times by the residents there if they are eager to get going on that i've explained you know once town meeting is over and over the cools down we'll we'll look at that getting it on the schedule as well as the next item to the christian religion you know i've been i've been asking jeffrey if there's been any movement or any of any you know progress they have by the developer and nothing had come before jeffrey as of last week and then i got a call an e mail from from a resident suggesting that the developer had placed sound equipment around the perimeter to try to take some base level sound readings and the residents were concerned even some of the equipment of some of the people perhaps were walking on their property and they were concerned that their property rights issues you know somebody gets hurt on their properties are going to get sued so i asked jeffrey to email the developer that we had we had heard this and that they should notify the the about hers and let them know what they're doing when they're doing it ask for permission and i do and i told the resident at all that we have no jurisdiction there that would be a good thing for for jeffrey to reach out but then jeffrey found in the end the  one of the conditions that they have to send to us one of the conditions is that they sent to us what their baseline really plan is going to be and where they set up the monitors so that that that location has to be a program for a review developed an approval checklist yes and and if if there is some motion going on if there's some signs of action we should probably have that checklist sooner rather than later for you to have talked about in fact one of the residents went through all of the conditions and put put them in a form that we can use to create a spreadsheet with and you know jeffrey's among many other things he's been working on his it's you know starting to get that going we need to make it a priority and i again i would suggest as soon as tommy things done and we're done with that heavy lifting that would be the time to to get into a finalize don't ask no i actually this is the beginning of the checklist forward with this i'm in favor of this i think it's it's a small program but it's a good program it's a beginning point and i suggest remove housing subsistence for those who live below average incomes home ownership has in any case and the other thing is it's a very small program it's been a successful program in other places there is other folks saw financing that a place like this for mass housing partnership and i think it shows at least that we're moving forward trying to do something and we're supporting the housing trust in their moving forward and trying to do something check to you know i mean i asked tom is the they do can we put the c b c which i think the next meeting is the thirteenth  that's set aside for formal housing every single year term every year we go this is i believe this is a one time ask so if they want to continue this program they'd have to come back again if it was so much money  a suitor comes along in the affordable with the affordable money and basically buys unit number two right case market for the time when you go and with that much taxes i think calls this into question but my main but you know my main concern is this will be the this opportunity will be allocated in a lottery or three lucky people win we can we can't go to discussion until we have a second we can't get around that and we should and should ok and you know i i do support the housing costs have taken some action wouldn't it be a little more certain if we know that there was this the civic project or a family in town that that this was going towards or going to we couldn't do it for a specific family because the law doesn't work that way in terms of everybody always talks about market based kind of things if you let people go and choose their own housing with subsidy and that is in a sense is a market based solution we've talked over and over again and when when you guys are talking about inclusionary zoning in affordable housing coming off that how difficult it is to development of any kind of housing in belmont is particularly difficult to develop affordable housing be two or three years down the line some somebody has a very good idea we can go forward on that i'm saying for the time being this is something to do and i'm not disagreeing but what i say is what it would be easier if they came and they said we have three families that have located be an annual thing because there aren't a lot of properties in that price range it's going to take a while to find somebody who's mortgage ready who in this case if into three people it'll be it'll be three homes they just based it on a other kid lot of communities do it based through the c p a looking to new and a lot of communities do it already it's just just the way they're doing that so they use those as models of how to do this program you know when would we prefer to like a large project or are divided like two families of all that they just don't work with three families they just don't work economically for a nonprofit and it's also i mean the the nonprofit developers that we've talked to you know they end up because they don't do development all the time the in the having different kind of you know their costs are high ok i think i personally wish i could learn more about it first ok i wish we had more formation i wish we knew other communities were  i'm not opposing affordable housing i just feel like i need more education and i don't know whether others feel the same way and i would almost say rather than have a negative fall based on insufficient information maybe just thought have a hope with the idea that i'm sure this is going to come up again in the future oh we'll i hear that next time you know  on this and we will be happy to have what we don't need until after the first so joe will hear the full presentation when they make or keep on the thirteenth when they make it easier to leave for us as a board to weigh in all right getting more information but in the meanwhile i'm going to sign i'm going to sign my copy of the letter and send it in a hurry just i i'm thirsty other people do as well one of the one of the things the belmont really has to move forward  to deal with the lack of affordable housing in town and i would i wish i mean one things that i find that's very frustrating being on the housing trust is it's very difficult to get traction yes yes yes so you get the blame for going to discuss it when jill and i working on this i put together some statistics on affordable housing in belmont and i think maybe i could distribute those to the board as well written it doesn't help us but to say that but no doesn't do any good from the of from from a point of view of a funding you know point of view and so unless you change the law it doesn't it