one state senator will browns further and weary and invited here to the library to talk about civic literacy and voter engagement and you know i think it's kind of an ironic question really because right now people are more engaged than ever i think people across the country are kind of in a bit of it certainly in this area are at a bit of an agitated state as a result of the administration we have in washington and the sense of turmoil and daily daily surprises and news that comes from that direction and also more than ever i think people are trying to get involved they're looking for ways to get involved they are trying to figure out how they can  involved in their own communities just picking issues that are important to them they're looking at how they can form alliances across and influence things that are happening in other communities to think about how they can support the process think about how they can support the news media and other organizations that are contributing to the conversation they're joining groups this is been a spectacular year for the a c l u and other groups that are perceived engagement and high anxiety so ho it's the question i think people ask how they can get involved and i think there's a lot of ways people can there's a lot of organizations people can join there's and there's always just supporting the press i want to say that i think that people should look to get involved in the conversation that legislators are having on issues whether it's in congress or in in the state house  legislators are responsive to the e mails that they receive and the phone calls that they receive and to what they hear when they're going around their communities and so that you know as current as as as issues kind of bubble up in the communities alternately congress and legislators respond and so nobody should feel that they can't make a difference in communicating with people so i think part of the evening might work best if we just feel free to have a free flowing discussion and i would welcome welcome thoughts as people as they come to people and if we can just have an interaction what are the issues you  most important right now and begin hill well one or two yeah well in terms of beacon hell this is the biggest i'm feeling it's the biggest most people tend to agree because thing we're doing is criminal justice reform and that's been several years in the making and the issue it's about lifting people up instead of locking people up making people feel it became easier for people to get back on their feet when they stumbled and gotten in trouble and we've been looking at that question from soup to nuts for several years and that's come together in a big piece of legislation that my committee the judiciary committee produced in the fall and the senate passed that out and expanded it and then i was very pleased to see the house the other branch take up a similar a bill that was very similar in scope different in many ways and over the past few months since that happened  so since november so does that make us what it was at four months now since the government december january february march so it's been about four months now in the conference process and they would be working very very hard and working out differences between two branches and i'm very hopeful they will be reporting on a very solid bill very solid bill in the next few weeks what do i need to know about that bill how is that going to you know you can't get the final result that manifest itself and the some of the pieces of it i mean it well there's a big hopefully it's going to where we're going to make a dent in the issue of mass incarceration look here's one of the interesting realities we are locking up approximately four or five times as many people as we were locking up forty years ago and most of that increase occurred between the mid seventy's like nine hundred seventy five in about nineteen ninety three so less than twenty years we just had a spectacular change in how we were doing things and that's a very significant reality and so yeah i think that was in part in response to a crime wave that the velux in the sixty's and we didn't really start responding to it in fact part of our orientation in the sixty's was kind of backing off and not not responding as aggressively to crime and then we changed we changed the people there was but there was a political consciousness change people got much more concerned about crime people want to be tough on crime and that happened than we did in every state in the country there was a sharp inflection in the incarceration rate it's kind of amazing how every state independently did roughly the same thing and the result is a much larger prison population and the thing is that that that may have helped reduce crime to some extent and we have seen a hologram i think there are a lot of other things going on there but we do still have a very hard carcer engineering that's concentrated in neighborhoods of poverty and color and we in those neighborhoods incarceration rate the incarceration rate is itself a problem and also not just the incarceration but the involvement in the criminal justice system people hanging around the courthouse being on probation do community service it just becomes much too big a part of the local culture and those who want to try to dial that back in ways that preserve public safety and that's about look at the system from front to back you know what things are crimes should you have a kid get arrested for  school most people would say no but there are school systems that use that tool too often should if somebody seeks help because they have a drug problem but that leads to evidence that they're possessed of drugs should they be able to be prosecuted and that well most would say that's a good idea to not prosecute because you want people to go and get help so there's that decriminalization somebody has gotten in trouble can a judge say you know what i think you'd be better off in a program and i want to bring into the criminal justice system that's what we call diversion  and then the issues of mandatory minimum sentencing and then what actually happens in jail how do we treat people in jail solitary confinement those issues and then what happens when people come out of jail and do we how are we charging them for the privilege of being on probation parole making it harder for them to just sort of accumulate the economic stability that they need to start functioning again what about the criminal record are they ever going to be able to get a job again and what if they were wrongfully wrongfully convicted him can they fix that problem so those are some of the issues that we're considering so it's really a very broad scope bill what we've tried to do in this bill is to really be brought to do everything we can but as to each thing we're doing don't over not get crazy about each thing let's have a balanced approach to each issue so for example on mandatory minimums i personally would vote to feel very comfortable to repeal automatic toward a known drug sense as i don't think they're actually helpful but that are killing so many young people right now so it's a balanced bill it's a balance bill but it's a broad bill and i've really believe it's going to have a big impact in a whole lot of ways and make it hopefully will be lifting people up and hopefully we will be holding people down people who will see it will see change in a whole lot of different parts of the system that will make a difference and it certainly will send a strong message to people in the system the judges that the district attorneys you know that we want to move in this direction and ultimately they have a legislature this is an important idea when the legislature have only so much power to actually make a difference in the criminal justice system because actually it depends on what the people who work in the criminal justice system do they have a lot of discretion they need that discretion to do the right thing in a vote in a broad variety of cases we cannot anticipate the details of how cases are going to work and so they have a lot of power but we're sending a message as to how they want to how we want them to to use that power and and turning some little push in the right direction we think so we're hopeful that a come out sometime in the next few weeks and them and hopefully that you know that both branches will approve what we've been working on a committee for now for several months and the governor will sign it and  we'll have a really big thing and there we go big won't call that the biggest criminal justice reform in a generation you know it's not it's there's nothing nothing's been done that people can remember actually the tackles the criminal justice system so broadly so it's a big deal and  i'm excited about it and hopefully it will we'll get it over and over there over the finish line we're not quite over the finish line yet you know we don't have a bill out we've got a few more couple issues to resolve you know we don't we don't we do have something that comes kind of close which we have sheriffs called sheriffs there sheriffs have run their own operations and so we it's a fragment of criminal justice system we're sheriffs in each county they run their house of correction so if you get get arrested you're going to go to county jail and if you only committed a minor offense that but the nonetheless requires a graduation you will also go in the county house of corrections the more serious offenses go to the state prison level so about half the people who are locked up in massachusetts are in the state prison system but then the other half are you know among i think you know thirteen or fourteen different county houses of corrections and so it's kind of either we run  or in the white house or something like that go to jail so there is this this kind of fix to it is massachusetts them leader in this change in this shift to  system where you know i think a lot of states are doing other things that are good so on any of the particular things that we're doing i don't know the will be the first state to do that thing but i think other states we are were among the lowest you know one or two states in the country based on our incarceration rate per capita so we have to be in some sect we're already a leader perhaps you know some of that may reflect our income levels and our economy and so forth but of that i think there are real differences in practice i think i think you have to be have more of a track record of doing bad things to get locked up in massachusetts than you do perhaps in other states and that's that's an interesting result which makes for a funny thing right because if we if the people we lock up are the worse people then when they get released they're more likely to come back so we might have a relatively high reset of ism rate in massachusetts and you could say well that means we're not doing the right things to people in prison we're not helping them to get out on track and the other and you can look at and say well that just shows the massachusetts as being very conservative in its decisions about who to lock up and not enough of a region the statistics get unbelievably complicated but the bottom line is i think we're moving in a good direction consulted by you could you know after a lot of consultation i'll just pick up the one solitary you know we're not a leader solitary confinement we are we're not we're not one of the worst states you go to louisiana something like thirteen percent of the prison population is locked up in solitary confinement and massachusetts it's more like three four five percent there are in in maine which is  system similar to mass of massachusetts but smaller they actually have cut their prison their solitary population by about ninety percent they've taken it down from about one hundred guys we have like maybe three hundred guys something like that in several different groups but they were they they took it down from about one hundred they're a smaller system to about ten and that involved you know really working with people who are in solitary to try to calm them down and get them back to being people who would function in the i did i do believe it what they did up there and i've also talked to folks out in colorado and we think we can make a real difference on the on the number of people locked up in solitary and i did in the legislation we proposed i think what will move in that direction good news is that our department of corrections is wants to move in that direction too you know the governor and his public safety secretary done some stuff that's very very highly thought of in our  bridgewater state prison and they've really improved conditions down there for people with mental illness and so i think that the consent kind of see the potential that you can do better for people who are troubled in the course or asian environment so i'm very hopeful that they will work take the tools we're giving them with this legislation and the mood in a good direction but that's a there's that's there's a lot of other pieces i mean and i don't know how how much time you want to spend on this but it's i'm particularly excited about the  things we're doing for people who are outside prison to reducing fines reducing fees making it easier for people to get their lives back together reducing registry problems and you know it used to be laws if you could if you default on the case in court you miss a court date you lose your license then you have a new problem and that may cause a scene that may snowball into other problems so we were doing a lot in that space and also in the space of people people's criminal records and making it easier for people to get jobs after they got got it had a problem are common people can subscribe there to to get updates from me on these issues in this particular issue which is kind of in my portfolio as a legislator you know if there's a lot of information here on this on that issue and look forward to continue to where we've had a very far partisan collaboration and then there are parts where we took some partisan votes in the in the course of the discussion which is ok i mean it was a partisan votes and i don't mean necessarily democrats down the line versus republicans but there were split votes for example on should we for people who have the way we brought the bill out in the sun it was focused on us to the mandatory minimums we said well let's let's keep locking up people who are traffickers they know the big fish big fish drug dealers nobody's trying to give those guys a break i'm in but they're they're peddling poison but the little got little drug dealers well you know they're not they're just kids with issues too  people trying to focus on the users and let's not look the lock up users everybody agrees with that but we took another step in the senate we said let's not lock up dealers if they're just low level dealers if they're traffickers of the sort of next level level up in the business cocaine that was a very very controversial vote in the senate so that that split there were thirty seven people voting nineteen eighteen to nineteen know to keep it which meant that it stayed in place somebody wanted to take it out so the vote was eighteen votes to take it out nineteen votes not that so that's how close it was in the senate once you start talking about some of the you know the next level up of people who are involved in drug behavior a lot of people feel those people should be locked up and of those eighteen who voted to change the bill to make it tougher so six of those republicans twelve of them are democrats so there were issues with there were splits and there was controversy and i was ok with that because this is a very difficult issue i felt in this debate everybody should vote their conscience we should have the roll calls let people vote let people do what they think is the right thing and it was a very good debate people like that because sometimes people of void roll calls they said well let's work out what's out of compromise now we put a lot of things up to a vote people made their decisions on the bill the bill came out still very very very strong bill but the interesting thing is the house a little bit more conservative bill and i think if the end of the day they believe the conference prior to be something that i think most people will be able to sign on to so i think it will come back to being a broadly bro  we try to work together and but i will say there are some other major legislation that's coming down the pike where people are still not there's no consensus yet and that's worth perhaps turning to us i think the criminal justice one is probably going to be the first really big thing that both you know that we're going to put on the governor's desk in this session and maybe the biggest thing we put on the governor's desk in this session or the last session of the one after that but the the re are there are other very very significant issues health care cost control you know a perennial problem it's a huge portion of the state budget the costs keep going up and up and up so that's one of our big challenges and so the senate passed a cost control bill and in the fall and you know see if we can get something done on the house side get get that worked out and agreed across the table we'll see if that can happen the there's also a big push on the issue of climate change and this is the we've got we did a big thing on that in twenty eighteen of the season in twenty two thousand and eight when i was a new legislator we passed the global warming solutions act which is something i fought very hard for and we passed a budget with which and that was the global warming solutions act is a little bit of a grandiose title right because we certainly haven't solved that problem yet but the after the concept is to create a framework in terms of measuring our greenhouse gases figure out what we're doing how much are we putting out there as a state and then set some goals for reducing it and the goal that everybody is pushing then i don't i'm not even sure it's enough of a goal but you know eighty percent reduction by two thousand and fifty we'll see if that's possible but we're really trying to move that on so so for the first of the last ten and see how it goes or kind of coming back to another switch point where we're saying ok how do we do how's it going it's been ten years we need to make some big adjustments if we're going to achieve that fifty percent reduction by twenty fifty so in the senate which is kind of a a collection of ever all the ideas you know it's not a bill that has sifted through necessarily remove the most difficult ideas and you know the idea tax so that's a really interesting question because that's the one thing that i personally feel is that most important strategy that we could have and there is but not per se and here's what the bill does is it has kind of a very interesting mechanism it what it does is it says the governor should develop market mechanisms for reducing carbon emissions first in the transportation sector in the building sector and i guess the other sectors the power sector we already have that they think group it into three basically the things that we don't have mechanisms for yet we do already have a mechanism for that and i guess what it is is transportation first residential buildings for commercial buildings next then residential buildings after that so basically to create a framework for cap and trade is how that how that would likely work because see we already have what we call the regional greenhouse gas initiative which is a cap and trade mechanism for the  new england states so that to the extent that people that utilities want to go to burn fossil fuels to generate power they need to buy the right to do that and in this sort of regional grant greenhouse g marketplace so we want to do is create something similar for that for fossil fuel use in transportation in and in buildings which is kind of we it's we were we don't have any strong incentives to reduce use yet in place and so we kind of let that happen through through the administrative process and encourage them to to work it out with the surrounding states because it's something you very much would like to do with surrounding states you don't want because what will ultimately happen as about those prices will get built into let's say gasoline and you don't want gasoline to cost more in massachusetts than it over the next five or six years if we're if we're able to put this legislation in place and then what about the building between the islands in the harbor and that well yeah you know so that's that that that is the area that i put the most attention on over the past four or five years is what are our risks of what of as a result of climate change and i think there is a pretty good consensus now among planners and hydrologists and people who study flooding in massachusetts right now at least as to the greater boston area that what's going to happen over the next fifty years in other words up to the let's say twenty seventy which is about as far as we can work we're looking at a modestly increased risk of flooding during storms the city of boston greater boston is not going to be inundated we're not going to be using gondolas to go up and down canals fifty years from now nor probably a hundred years from now two hundred years you know maybe but in the but we can't look too much further out than fifty years or so that's that's a pretty ambitious kind of stretch forecast but because by then we're going to have to do something differently really going to have to do something different if if the science continues to  the way this does and i think there's every reason to believe it will but hopefully we'll get our act together as a planet and change course before it before too long but so there is a very serious planning effort based on what's happening now as to what we can see happening about fifty years out and that is about controlling flood risks in big storms and the alewife area is at great risk of flooding by twenty seven they they're looking at an annual risk of inundation and count north cambridge east arlington a rather t v station there you know once every five years so that the sort of thing that we might call a one percent storm they're looking at a storm once every five years that would be that bad and that could be historically had a problem with flooding that problem is something that we've worked really hard to reduce and i think we have reduced the flooding there of but through the fix is going to play to the i mean to the bridge in medford there's a bridge in medford that used to really block up the  another fifty years there are areas of back bay and areas of east of cambridge that you have some level of exposure but we can control that exposure by kind of blocking a couple of paths of water people have been this one of the interesting facts is that the charles river and the mystic river are do not just go flowing into the sea they are closed by sea walls at their mouth which are used to maintain the water level at a state of stable level in those in those rivers and the result is that and that you know you don't see water going up and down with the tides in the charles river it's just always the same level more or less and that but that's that requires a lot of maintenance and in times of great storms you have these you have a huge amount of water coming down the river and you might have high tide and we have to have these huge pumps in the in the walls to pump the water out so that the physics turns on you know when those when those walls will be overtopped or flight when will the water start going around or over those walls and it's about twenty seventy that the risk starts to get yeah what can i do what do you want me to do as a constituent help shape state policy what's the most effective thing that i can do that is not require yeah a lot of him that you know l you're to thank you for what what what i what will help me most is you know if i'm speaking to my constituents people who live and work in belmont or watertown or boston check out process and i get a lot out of that and so that you know being engaged with me through that process or any process that works for you whether it's making a phone call or sending an e mail i curse people who engage alleged that i've had on some issues is really sensitized me to to how people feel about things and this is really help me be do the right thing so i think people everybody has an opportunity to engage with their elected officials with the people and you know if you let's talk about state senate you know the you know the campaign process is a healthy process and there's so many different ways to engage but people don't have to haul off and you know change their life and start set off on a new career to engage it's easy enough to engage just by by trying to you know talking to elected officials we're always looking for ways to talk to people people say people are always talking a lot what can we do what can we do to engage people more well you know we've got a really we try so we try to reach out in as many possible directions as possible so we can hear people whether it's in the newspaper whether it's on the web whether it's on e mail whether it's facebook or whether it's a show like this tonight hopefully people are paying attention we're going to look at ways to engage very careful about that because it's easy to create a false claim then it goes off to somebody else so if you do that i must get like half a dozen surveys  not that we that's we put we don't from my e mail us from my office e mail list we never send fundraising source of haitians nothing we solicitation it's all a dialogue about the work we're doing and trying to stay engaged and people who sign up on my late news list we never share the e mails we never hit them with fundraising i do have a separate campaign list where people can sign up for that but that's pretty that's that's less visible i mean it's actually it's on it's on a website too but our website which we try to keep it real clean and simple and let people respond so i mean i can't tell you i think you're right the other other about that and one of the other phenomena that's really interesting to observe is how do people ask the questions so yeah i'm a target as a legislator on the target of a lot of advocacy and for major issues with people really want to move legislators they're go they're going to let's say for example the technology industry would like not to have to keep assets around after people die if you if you have an e mail account you pass away they would not like to have anybody have to have any obligation to retain that information or provide your errors or anybody else and so they feel they've commission national surveys which show that nobody nobody cares everybody would prefer that you once they die the information be discarded and it's all about how you ask the question you know if you saw the say when you died you want lawyers digging around through your e mail account even though you didn't give them any permission if you ask the question that way but if you so well when you pass away when somebody passed away do you feel that there should have access to the reno account for purposes of ministry munisteri then you get a different answer you get kind of the opposite answer so being sensitive to how questions are asked is is is an important thing as i don't know i think that's a really deep issue it's a fascinating issue and clearly we've greatly reduced our privacy right in there with the information about who we are everybody's sort of a star now everybody there when you when you when you become widely known you lose a lot of privacy but everybody has chosen to sacrifice their privacy and to put their personal life out on facebook as if they were only on the cover of people magazine and and the result  is real change and in the issue of privacy and you know you can you can view that in a positive way you can say our society has become more transparent and people people know each other more truly and maybe it's true but there's definitely a downside definitely big downside as they say if the product is free then you're the product right and that's certainly true on facebook i mean they give us this of this this great platform to put information out about ourselves but then they sell access to that  yours but the interesting thing is people do it facebook you know i bet i was looking through the statistics recently faced something like seventy five percent of adults in the united states use facebook and that is true basically in every age the pace of changes well it certainly change you know changing rapidly in a lot of industries but there's a lot of things that are changing fast that's for sure that is for sure but the other thing that's going on is right now dividing this way up and so they have the stress induced by the change is greater than ever before smart and sort of follow a few few good news sources then that's not a bad way to you know to get your to get your info but most of us end up sort of following nine million people and getting drowned by information  might well that's a great question and lots of people who they've been struggling with that question because right here you know nasa choose it we've got if the people who are asking that question with the most energy people like me who might be on the liberal side of the progressive side of the of the of the spectrum who are concerned about we're done who donald trump is and you know and what's happening in congress but here in massachusetts we've got you know all of democrats in congress and democratic state senators democratic u s senators rather senator markey senator warner so it's not like you're trying to change those people that's that is what you really have to you it's about think about how you can influence other parts of the country and there's a lot of sister district activity that in various forms that people are undertaking to figure out how they can just volunteer in a campaign in georgia by by phone there's lots of ways to do that so that's one idea and then the other things i think are supporting the free press you know they began to get a subscription to some of the national newspapers  constitutional violations that and still nothing and so we're told will wait until we get a democratic congress i know i'm not holding my breath but it's do you see what i mean it's a teeny weeny change or something while whatsoever is just huge energy but then nothing happens that is really critical health care is is a is something like that for example the prison issue was another one on the spot you  t take the whole nation in the consideration infrastructure for heaven's sakes climate change all these things and nothing really happens but you know you hope of course when you see some grassroots think the political process is the solution you can i don't i don't so much i'm not one who uses the phrase the system is broken i think that in fact we have differences of opinion in this country we have lots of people in this country who actually feel strongly about the right to own a gun for example or not so many in this state but in other states it is as it's motherhood and apple pie pass legislation that would regulate guns better but i think it does go back to fundamental attitudes as opposed to some problem with the system i think that you know we have a lot of americans who want to keep their guns and there's a lot of them that are ready to do background checks and be engaging in some of the sisters there certain activities because i think you know you need to engage with the politics of other states and the the the people in those other states and that's that's what's going to change things and i think people a lot of other states are seeing what's happening in washington they're not happy about it they're seeing people get fired every day and they're going to this just isn't the way i expect my country to run i thought we were a serious country you know the sort of turnover at the top is just been terrifying it's not that that's an example of the paralysis  better people are going to get a better result also you know candidates out there to try to find a better candidate and i don't think the voice a lot of bad candidates have been elected to the national level they have no idea what they're doing  very engaged i think the student movement has been making a wonderful statement and you know it is massachusetts i think it it has helped we have pretty good gun laws in massachusetts you know high level of control  level of vetting be before someone can you know acquire weapons but one of the things that we can do better is when people become unstable when something goes wrong and for them and they become somebody who might shoot somebody  themselves are mechanisms for taking away their weapons for could be strengthened and i think that's the most likely product of the student demonstrations which i am not as it hopefully will strengthen those protections that ability to take the weapons away people when they are become unstable call that extreme risk protection orders that concept is sort of the one thing that we i think to do considerably better on in massachusetts and i'm hopeful we'll get that done this year do you anticipate just stay personally i really do you know i think yeah you know when i think i'm in a great place i mean i think i feel very fortunate this year a bit i didn't want such a for eleven years now i'm at this stage i'm finally really getting to a place where i really know i'm making a big big difference i mean you make a difference from day one that you work on your issues but my i've been very fortunate of to get my self in a place where i can really make a big difference and just sort of really drive change on this criminal justice and a few other things as well and so i'm i'm very happy to be right where i am because i'm sure if i went to washington or some other place i'd start i have been down there and i'm sure i think there's probably a lot of grownups down there i don't i'm out of i'd be the last one to say that those guys are all fools they were guys are doing the same job i'm doing now perhaps previously so that i'm sure they've got a good you know those men and women have it is legal to appoint people who want to take an agency and in that direction which could be you know with weakening it or strengthening it that's that's what the president wants that's what the president gets to do that's why it makes so much difference who is president and it makes a difference regulatory agencies that you know regulation is important a big can go overboard but i mean the regulations that are being taken down are important but here's a consoling thought ok and this is what i heard that gina mccarthy speaking and she's  great and she's someone who if anybody would you think would be really unhappy about what's happening in e p a would be her because she spent the last eight years building it up and now the scarecrow is trying to tear it down but look she she was not downbeat she was positive he said you know he's going to have a harder time than he realizes because once we put those things in place those those it takes a lawsuit to destroy them and sell it so that they're going to see a lot of stuff going to get slowed down in the courts and  she she was not worried she was not worried and i think people by the way on the environmental issues have a lot of opportunity to make a difference locally as well so she was very encouraging about that when i saw her and i thought it was that was a bright it was a good need to hear her message that there is there is a movement there is a movement to there's no real movement to change the electoral college at a constitutional level because that's just not politically possible because electoral college does is designed to cause some states to be overrepresented that's why they did it it was a constitutional compromise to make sure the places like rhode island and north dakota that were not completely dwarfed in the  work in the electoral college that model is really designed to as i say protect the rights of small states and there are enough small states that they could block any constitutional amendment to to change that there's been a movement to sort of as it is a gimmick they call the national popular vote which makes a lot of sense it sounds good i view it as as a gimmick it doesn't work and i've got myself in trouble a few friends on that but there's something on my website explaining that issue my views on it in more detail the caption of my post on that isn't an unpopular vote because it was not a popular vote that are going on but i was in good company now i think i'm guessing that we ought to wrap it up now and let's this think if there's a couple things that we should say to summarize first of all thank you for for coming tonight i really appreciate the the opportunity to have a dialogue and the issue of civic engagement i think people are just looking for ways to get in and i think people can get in at every level they can get in the easiest way is by contacting their was a slater's and influencing policy and it does make a difference it really does make a difference when i hear from people i listen and i learn a lot from it and i pay attention to things that otherwise wouldn't pay attention it so i really encourage people to in fact do contact or one such as about issues do check out my website if you're my constituent i want to hear from you through that vehicle it's a great vehicle to see what i'm already working on and subscribe to get notices  from a national standpoint if you really want to engage in national politics there are lots of ways to do it emerging sister district and all the other other groups that are trying to connect people across  boundaries and i think you know supporting the free press and supporting the the organizations that are working on issues that you care about there are lots and lots of ways to actually get engaged and so i encourage people to take advantage of all those and thank you again for coming tonight appreciate the conversation the same i'd say and i do every i mean there's no difference between a scripted phone call hello my name is will i am your constituent and i want you to vote for bill for twenty three that's fine i'll take a phone a good to know that you care about that done same as an e mail really really thank you thank you