credibility that immigration judge found have first credibility this case occurred started about five years ago and it is a pretty real id act case so the evidence must be substantial and must go to the heart of the asylum claim in this case i don't believe the immigration judge followed the law because the judge found several  documents that relates to persecution and the second and how that there's there are always more than one way to authenticate documents foreign documents including credible testimony by african stuff ok so the real problem was that the i j a just found that evidence incredible by the testimony incredible you disagree with that for the reasons you stated but it's the credibility finding that ultimately led to the morning our first name is anthony norwood i'm here today representing the respondent your honour's testimony was internally inconsistent and inconsistent with the recycling application and documentary evidence with respect to material issues such as when she allegedly began practicing found gone when she was terminated from or junk is something you're talking about the testimony before the i j a yes you know yeah well you know at that time she inconsistences go to the heart of the of the application i mean whether it's ninety seven or ninety eight or ninety eight or ninety nine that she began observing more practicing falun gong how does that how does that touch on that the essence or the heart of what she's saying about the persecution she experienced well we believe in contend that when she began  and why she began practicing falun gong does go to the heart of her song and she she but she's got no incentive to lie about that point does she mean whether it's ninety eight or ninety nine doesn't change doesn't change the for practicing china it's not only the day it's your own words it's when she when she started and why she started she said she started to relieve pressure from her job and then later she said she she couldn't start her didn't start because of too much pressure from a job and then one point she says she started because at the point she started was because she moved in with her in laws and her son had gotten through a certain level of here and it's it's a question of whether the evidence compels the conclusion the evidence presented to the immigration issue compels the conclusion that she that she suffered persecution and that she was credible and he he explained at the very read the record this morning the dismissal letter was not part of it was part of the record it was accepted for identification purposes only and the immigration judge the petitioner said moreover the documents submitted by the respondent which were waived by a d c in a prior hearing and objected to by the i j a back by the i j and this hearing resulted in the respondents loss of relevant supporting evidence not challenge but if you read if you read the when you read the transcript it's clear that the immigration judge had a lot of respect for his interpreter he pointed that out he said when she when she needs to ask a question she asked the question i trust her and you know one point she does she does change it's a testimony it was a question of whether it was october or november she said oh that's that act may have affected that so i'm not sure what much she said and the immigration judge said well i won't give i won't give that any credence and then she also it's interesting that everybody in the room and even