ok good evening and welcome to this february third meeting of the select board my genesis the second things happen for coming on tuesday for begin the rest of the agenda is there any public comm thirty this evening so do the reschedule she can be irritated by it so let's move then to the zoning discussion and update people where we are so we have had a couple weeks of comment on our last version of public hearing so the way it worked is that we can make any changes we would like to tonight there has to be as soon other public hearing so there will be at least one more meeting before any decision is made that would be at the of out of their workshop tonight or they could choose to send them to voters for adoption or we could choose to do nothing with them so that's kind of the process we have one more night to talk about them and then one more we had also kind of worked on the principle that this was going to be kind of a first round thing that no matter what happened these need to be looked at again in more depth by the planning commission and courtney and with the town  my consideration for that in consideration of that not wanting to create a situation where i think we are that significant feedback that people worry about what retail or large retailer proposed the proposed size of five thousand square feet of retail or five thousand square feet of restaurant space people are it really got a lot of feedback people are not into that having a lot of feedback that people would like to see a brewpub and that's actually separate in in the  in the regulations so the elimination of retail and restaurant space has conditional uses would accomplish just that basically stand alone or as part of a larger building and then a tavern good office space good personal services space perhaps to be built out there we've got an overwhelming commons of people don't want to see and it never believed may prevent some things that we eventually decide we do want to see as well but it's it's being cost conscious in the short term which i think i all you know we hope something's going to happen within it maybe that we want to push a standalone restaurant to that as opposed to having two different parts of town compete with each other for that kind of business i don't and i'm just extrapolating here but but you know let's let's give this the time that needs in order to prove i'm willing to listen to this i just want to say my concerns first and the understanding is that there's going to be  a more in depth look at it with town employed i can appreciate technically if you build another pov in town you are competing with the restaurants in town with the other restaurant in town that goes there so i think the competition to encourage in town the retail restaurant was that it wasn't really anything that the planning commission looked at and i just didn't know the end pass by taking it out but if it's interim and we are going to move towards a larger more and process that was my concern because i think there was a process in place where a lot of the things were looked at and then that came up recently as an idea to do that without it maybe going through the consideration that i thought it should go through i can't i don't know  inherent but i do know some of one of our goals was to encourage the let me in factoring so that you know that's something we can move forward with i would hate to hinder the process over something like that that can be revisited but i also want to point out and hopefully probably you know it was a small will that's for sure so i just want to always keep that on the forefront when we're talking about developing commercially and we don't properties we don't have that much and i do think we want to get what we want also that fits with the character from town but i think we just need to acknowledge that there are many places to develop commercial and i do think the tax income from that is important to support the future  setting so we go back to the retail restaurant discussion and one change that i think i could get into kind of a compromise here would be to eliminate standalone restaurant so if you had manufacturing on a campus like a person couldn't have the actual retell part of it b size so you could have a ten thousand square foot building with two five thousand square foot businesses so really what taylor's done is modified retail or like maybe factoring to say you can have your digital three thousand square feet max of retail associated with this like the factory has nothing to do with what kind of building it is that there is to midget requirements are thousand square feet of retail space in a light manufacturing years within a  have i'm just putting that out there for discussion that's where i came down in the sea in that we have and there was already discussion earlier today about the small percentage of town that is available for commercial development and it seems clear that a lot of places the pressure especially with some of the stuff the table what's left is residential and do we want to residential development in our commercial ga permanent but people made the comment that if water sewer goes out there there will be pressure and what i've heard from several folks it is what sells will be real estate i'm sorry residential real estate same fellow towards be encouraging that kind of element but i do know that when i go to you know anywhere you know when they talk about you know what is the most desirable development you can have it's th developing one will prevent the other but you want to be smart about what our town bar was it needs to be rebuilt after the engineers looked at it that these would be built to look like barns farms that this would be school house or working with them right now to bring them here for the preschool after school care so that would be the south side of the lot and then terry  so this is the this is actually seventy two thousand square feet but they only want sixty five thousand square feet that's a three story building and all the parking is under it's just standard you'd use for kind of this is about even with the roof but then ninety degrees to it so you don't even see it in there some vegetation that's left working under three floors forty five foot to be up to twenty five seven need or twenty four so let me ask the research question one thing i heard a lot of positive feedback about which it sounds like wooden work is the concept of campus feel with shared audience between two seventeen thousand square foot buildings i actually heard a lot of positive feedback of people like that it is a good live with the size of the buildings but still allows the possibility to accomplish a larger space in in a sense and only having one area where this could actually happen if we don't consider any new changes that have come out today by move forward with what we have in front of us and then the planned unit development was an option still correct beyond what is done here and just i don't know much about that process we need a little more of it and so we need to go back  work for this type of issue is that it puts more set of eyes on the proposal beyond what we're talking about so you know whether you think that it should there should be a capital buildings or there march there's one more in february then one the first week of march and then the second reading the third the third week of march which would be the absolute last day to do to make a final decision  vs twenty four is fairly subtle difference to me to me it's not you know and i think that i mean it's a very interesting prose will but i think we we need to think through all the implications  the water commission in the negotiation negotiating committee continued to negotiate with the mobile home park for possible tony into the west mean utility line we talked a little bit about this earlier or one of those who are commission meeting basically what you know what it comes down to is we've put a question on town meeting to morrow two point five million dollars to do the water extension the player is to be able to show the public how we intend to pay for that one with federal grants and to with being able to connect the mobile home park that will have a minimum be able to service the debt on that project before any additional connections come along so that we can reassure the public that we're not morning to the water sewer system increased rates to try to pay for this project we're not going to ask the general taxpayers to pay for any of the project also so those efforts continue i believe it looks lot of questions about is the grant funding and could just explain how the project would offer grant funding from and the wife would so we talked to a representative of the u s d a averil development program here in vermont and it's essentially benefiting low and moderate income individuals so we would have to conduct us in income survey for the mobile home park of the same way we conducted the income say in survey using the percentage of forty five green fifty five alone could be somewhat different than that could be better might not be quite as good but that federal program would go to help solve problems such is the failing wastewater system in the park or did it end up with water supply we believe we have some documentation that would help us with with that application  if the salary income survey came in where it needed to be that we could document some deficiencies in the mobile home park system i believe that federal money would be available and we would not beyond the expansion of the system and help and stabilize it stabilizing the budget in the future there are deficiencies that need to be corrected in the mobile home park where there's almost three hundred eighty residents living done pretty soon and understand exactly how the funding could work or will work but i just said soon wouldn't there be time to think prior to town meeting day to present any of that the current system certainly but it just looks better and we're higher priority of where remy being right exactly so i guess that's that's just one thing to know is that this funding isn't contingent on the income survey out  position about why we're doing it who would pay for some of those things i think we could do something similar even if we have not fully executed and as once in areas we could get approval and execute right just i don't think you can except if you can't get anyone to cook on you there's no reason to build right so the only way that people are really going to be hooking on the only way that r the line and if they don't sign on then there'd be no reason to take the pontifical pulling out and part of that includes part of making that financially feasible includes  in just raising the point is that while that's all true the financial wherewithal the tool would be there for you know the improved by the right man for the water and sewer commission to  more education is needed quickly this whether you care about low carbon clean energy or not which i do frequently this is a good financial deal for the town and and it's one that with a limited lifespan because  sparsely dependent on the federal tax credits which are going to expire at the end of two thousand and sixteen so for us to take advantage of this we need to make connection with developers who are doing projects starting now because they've to hasn't really been done in this form before but some input were essentially saying look we don't have a lot of town a plot of land in town to put necessarily solar farm in town that we know  possible interest in that more to come so they're meeting the third friday friday of every month at seven thirty am here right on sunday right and that is open to the public last time that was a different day than usual and i believe it was i'd love to hit one works in progress and see if we can make a some more progress on and that is i c s compliance so the state has a national instant management system compliance plan and probably qualify for pretty easily and i'm afraid that they're not going to be complying so i don't know if you can check into that for us and find out but they have a great opportunity to receive hundreds of possibly hundreds of thousands of dollars in state funded equipment that if not for a thirty minute course that all of them did take they would they would receive yeah that's  well that's where i was going yeah because you know it's ok for a day or even maybe a week by that of one week's turn days turn into weeks and months just closing the sidewalk while they think about it doesn't seem i think it means having to create opportunities for humans that we didn't you know anyway i just noticed that seemed like a different conversation than what we have  for more developed did it last opportunity is for script is better than the long run i was saying this is trying to reach a compromise between what is being proposed and what could right and why would we have agreed to have maintenance agreement that puts us at gives us the liability of having to maintain it when we get none of the benefit from it and under the whole right of way agreements or local roads for the first well they should need to do and i was his action or something so i just not signing off on things that require us to maintain something and not done it without having a compelling reason to do it and we're going to maintain it anyway so why are we going to tell the state that they don't have to do it they can still own the property and i am rebels because this is the principle of the flipbook they are just doesn't make sense it's the same way that they were i feel like it's me that you see coming in and saying sign this letter saying you know no objections to what we're doing if you don't support it or do support it i'm not going to do that without talking to the lawyer i'm not going to just take over maintenance of a road that you want without talking to and still doing a lot of flooding stuff and then i mean and actually that pictures from my that is pretty much my front yard so the white with rage to my house i didn't have flood insurance even though the bank looked at me and cocked their head said but nobody's making you buy it i think i'm going to buy flood insurance so in the process of that i jumped back into doing a couple  will never have zoning because people that are dedicated to that but it's an incredibly socially cohesive town probably from putting on that what's fair for a hundred fifty years together as a unit so s and so in doing that came up with this idea anyway what we were seeing is the silos the community particularly under the the there's the emergency responders you know passionate volunteers but they have a three day window it was a long term recovery groups that are pretty much from the housing cook nonprofits in the community action folks and they're still at it three years later and they've still got people that want off the edge and they're dealing with and then there's the people that are on the up front part that should do this the environmental folks that are doing watershed work and stream bank plantings and everything they can to try to lessen what the flow might be and that's years of it in advance but they're in silos they don't usually socially get together at a town level they don't even know each other that well and some towns did really well some towns didn't but in places where these groups can come together and know each other and trust each other things go better so part of it is you know just seeing over and over again when people are connected they just know each other they reach out faster they recover faster there's more help going around my town came together well because tunbridge next door and tom ridge didn't have any problems so a lot of people turned out to help royalton but bethel was a total polariz political mess but still recovering from that so i came up with this pilot idea for community resilience organization so three crows that sort of represent the picnic basket in the fire chief and watershed guy mitigation plan to make those mean something i also can see there is an organization called cert maybe if you're familiar with it community emergency response teams i got the uniform message back when i said well could we sort of push the boundaries of certs and make those into something like this the help and not the search that's never going to work well the search didn't come from fema it's a fema creature now is a paid federal employee that's a cert statewide coordinator it came out of the san francisco earthquake grew out of something local i'm just kind of hoping that maybe this will be something a female will agree to fund and we've applied for mitigation funding and at some point because of disaster money keeps coming to disasters keep happening  working on the climate adaptation tasks just just doing those hazard mitigation tests and if the select board knows they've got that kind of structure that would broaden the implementation how many people would be involved in it then there is an opportunity to include more things in those has a mitigation strategies than would normally happen so this is the partners for this year two regional planning commission for the towns that don't have staff and i spent last year making sure the connections i made connected with all the various state resources and n g o s resources that would back up the local projects in the tasks  this these are just ideas that come out of the harford plan really could be done there's lots of things so the idea is that the group sort of like a fog green up day that there's a day for crowing that involves doing some things during the earlier part of the day and having food and celebration music art whatever to make it a community celebration a day for crowing with the idea maybe someday there will be a  statewide day for probably so as far as the town commitment goes we have a annual gathering basin harbor actually it's taking they'll be planting that day for crowing getting off and going so we want to have some town commitment and we'll become a pig picking up the rest of the cost and then look for then the other thing that happened the reason why i reached out to the town is because i know those foundations put out this call for watershed grants and that water show would be three or more towns and i have water already chris had gotten in touch with me because he was interested in what the cross thing was about i thought well ok i'll just phone it also has spoken to me about potential interest and they are the slug boards agree and wants to jump into it i met with leahy inviting people to a summit in mid march with a lot of resources very much the same thing of two days of lots of resource people and lots of time for the teams to plan what they would like to do at the local level and that's this march and so if richmond and it sounds like richmond is interested there is there is a workbook that they put out that the team members who are going would need to spend sit down and spend some time  going through before they get to to echo and they're calling this team the vote in richmond water various potentially duxbury more town the mid winter ski team so we'll have we would have a meeting in february we needed to jump start that and be ready for the march meeting echo and then the so that was that's that's that's a question i think that we've got a couple slots for us and them and have a couple of regional planning is definitely part of it to this and there's some wonderful mapping that letter of interest is not just about the status of the crows in fact it's a really minor part of it it's the most of the money would go into getting some ma roshan stuff is happening and the other one is malone in the room which waterbury had done and it sounded like you already had this kind of work done to it better identifying where your hundred five hundred year flood plain is more public process and a plan which includes a flood resilience element so she was offering i think that that money any kind of money would that mean that would be a cash offering to years but this isn't meant to be just one year it's meant to be something that gets coing and keeps going and so figure it could be for a while i don't know how long we'll do the state wide summit once we get to meet towns going we're going to  be regional something different different picture that well you could have them in different towns and that town can benefit from coming to our town yes yeah and hopefully we'll just grow and evolve over time timely enough so you could jump in if you want to or be in two thousand and sixteen yes ok ok so what i did what i would need for you is appointing those team members and giving me the contact e mails and phone numbers to get them