and then and once i participated in we all behaved ourselves and the police wound up being kind of a kind of a fancy escort if anyone had attacked us they would have protected us  doubt if we'd gotten another hand they would have arrested they would have arrested us and protected the other people in this case it looks to me is so you just can't draw an inference from a lot of us except they're ready for anything and what at the police and that the woman stepped in front of them and maybe it's just an accident she stepped in front of him but he says i thought she's trying to block me from getting out whoever's through the fire i don't see how you crowd for apparently no reason at best it was for jaywalking at best if you take the police at their word and three of those were thrown out because it was found not to be jaywalking this develops a pattern and based on the content of their speech the arrest of this woman and then claim that she moved in front of him she didn't go to him he came to her at full speed and if you read the record he's focused entirely on our feuding back with his big time and he likelihood of somebody in that physical condition moving in front of a running officer protect similarly to what dr klein felt experience was but this particular demonstration remember this particular demonstration was one of a series of annual vigils each of which prior to this year was very mobilizing was to be across the adversary to these people based on the content and i think those items go to the first member fine the municipal liability claim and the failure to train although i think the failure to train isn't the failure to train but in fact to train to do something illegal which is even more so if i understand your argument right  you're saying you don't just have to infer intent to suppress speech because the police have a point to deal with this orders and more riot gear you can infer an attempt to suppress speech because they reacted disproportionately to the flaming object that's one in a series of a pattern of behavior that indicates hostile intimidating and harassing attitude by the police force so that if you have a candlelight vigil at our church and i don't have a religious holiday without a parade permit i'm ok and you know you won't have police going in there and arresting people knocking people to the ground for no reason other looking for excuses to bring to the crowd knock people down  for one of the there was two arrests one was three people over on one side street and one was two people crossing the street over here some of the witnesses took both of those arrests some of the witnesses saw only one of them each of them was represented as a very in our opinion be the violent takedown of the individuals for no reason let's face jaywalking look if it's something that's going to scare people from participating in the event like this again yeah it was before or after the p knocked out of their arms by the police officers running into the ground and landed on a   no one in this room or at the demonstration with the flavor of fear here's why i'm having i'm still having probably going in francis i'm thinking the policeman i can't remember what town have probably watched television during the w t o riots in seattle just like the rest of the country and i got a lot of these would conclude that once a big crowd starts getting out of hand you have to move in before you can't move in effectively anymore and i would guess that's the inference drawn by a lot of the country also once the flaming object is thrown it's hard for me to see why their aggressive action should imply disapproval of the speech as opposed to trying to get control the situation before they can't get control  police strategy might be just keep an eye on things as long as everybody behaves but as soon as they start misbehaving any of them are moving very fast because otherwise with a big crowd like that you won't be able to deal with it at all expectation of a provocative act on part of the police force if you go into a crowd and you act violently sick crowd is going to react as well you can see that the first thing that happened before any police violence was somebody throwing the flaming object minutes five minutes before any of that and i think it demonstrates a pattern of how police get there there are a number of people carrying flaming objects throwing them at the bushes and then along the way there is absolutely no proof in this case that the even motive to interfere to deter the plaintiff exercised her first very right there is no evidence in the record that he opposed her political beliefs there's no just suppose hypothetically that the police are not real enthusiasm to remove or that's true but it but in to prove they think first amendment violation  just like an employer that they were they were motivated their substantial motivation was to deter the exercise of political activity and you just can't draw that from focus a little more on whether the will go where you are whether the police engaged in any unusually aggressive arrests for unusually minor offenses before the crowd started doing arrest and the burning i believe that the record demonstrates that the there were arrests did occur before the crowd turned down toward seventh street which is really the scene of most of the earnings for example the burnings of bushes and the throwing of flaming that the marchers were now going to take and that's why why you will if you look at the tapes and listen to the tapes you'll hear the officers cough you this time the crowd control team has not been called yet it's when they say that they arrest this mean turn there's another arrest in an intersection where one of the protesters comes close at the videotape you will see that they are they are deployed they take up positions standing in the street not unlike the days of which some of us obviously are familiar and and it isn't that point where the police are deployed fires are burning burning your honor in the bushes outside the hold center and in there you can see  and then you do see all of the sudden flaming material coming out at the officers who were standing there and the you know the officers do take a measured response  and like there's nothing in the operational plan that imparts an analyst on the part of the police officer to be deterring the plaintiff from the exercise of her political beliefs the you know the operational plan doesn't get them the whole series of events don't make the leap of logic from you know i don't fortunate events momentary that it was to a constitutional violation time the police ran into the crowd knocked her down and then arrested her there waves along the streets in a pleading object has been thrown that's correct your honor and like i said that happens after perforate has started after officer chadwick just after he was deployed after he standing there in line and then only after flying circumstances like you don't think there is no proof for the failure to train point there's no proof one of a failure to train but no proof of failure to train on a i think the record reflects this activity occurred after the w t o problems in seattle and i say that because when you listen to the tapes you'll see a couple of circumstances we've described it has been conceded that there what that flaming materials was being thrown at the police officers it has been conceded that the police officers went into the crowd to chase claims or it's unfortunate that a collision occurred but it's not unreasonable for the police officer to believe that the