assessors now are first what other but first other questions from town residents of items not on the agenda seeing nine out proceed the first is appointed decide we are allowed by statute to have up to four different classes of property and we could set three different tax rates one for residential one for open space and one for commercial industrial  this does not raise any additional tax money it's simply would be shifting the tax dollars that we collect among the different classes of property there's a misnomer out there that by raising the commercial tax rate we're going to collect additional tax revenue we do not collect titian of the extravagant we only shifted from the residential to the commercial in dhamaal where we have such a very small commercial tax base of the shift would be dramatic to the commercial and almost negligible to the residential home of the is so in that case the board of assessors is recommending that we have a classification of one meaning that there would be no shift in the tax rate in the package you had before you we've submitted additional documentation showing what the shift would do and what to do but to be clear it does not raise any more taxes to simply shift it among the existing shifting of the bird then it wouldn't be as high an increase on the commercial base when you have a very small base of base about five percent of the total taxes so in order for us to shift anything to the commercial i was in uses shift those would still be at the if there were a lower rate it would still be with you would not be a commercial commercial industrial should commercial retail stores we don't have much of an industrial base that would be manufacturing kind of relations and the other is personal property which the business community pays on items of furniture fixture equipment now like a cushing village you'd have to classifications you'd have a commercial because it's a mixed use sets correct a residential course you would receive the residential that will still break up the value on the commercial portion of the residential but it would be one tax but yet i think you're right i think that the misunderstanding is people assume that if the commercial rate is higher it will bring in more tax revenues when that's not the case it's just a shifting of the exactly and that's one thing that we get that question quite a bit here although you know usually if you said oh gee you're missing an opportunity to bring in more taxes we're not there is no additional tax revenue i think that's something that really can be discussion i'm glad reince because one of the questions was what percentage is should we as a board consider a split rate one third of will never get to that point right bob i actually think about it exactly and i wonder whether that could be lower than on as i read this what you're what you're suggesting if we were to shift it would be a savings of thirty nine cents per thousand for the residential home or flight increase of almost seven dollars per thousand for commercial if we had a split rate and what you're suggesting is that would be significant burden on the commercial our small commercial base to that chairman's point that we're trying to incentivize more commercial development in town you know which businesses if you will and not a significant savings at all those could not never be classified as commercial in nature of the masters department of revenue actually prefer allies the guidelines we follow and they are classified as residential and again the theory behind that is because there are so think it's a total shift to the dos it's just the other issue we're going to ask you to vote on tonight is whether to adopt a residential exemption and the residential exemption is another item that has a great deal of appeal for people because they say oh that would not be great if i pa less taxes and the fact what the residential exemption does is simply shift now within the residential class of property needing that we're getting we're not going to collect any more revenue than we're currently collecting it would just shift who would actually pay the taxes the higher value properties with pain higher higher percentage of their in taxes and the lower value products would pay a lower percentage the residential exemption is either you can adopt either a ten percent or twenty percent exemption but that is the same twenty percent across the board so once we figure it's twenty percent of the average assessed value of the time not your individual property so the again you would see a tremendous shift on one end and a drop in the other because both don't want to so homogeneous a housing stock most of the homes all fall for a high cluster around the center the vast majority of homeowners would not see a shift and for us to implement a residential extension program we have to verify ownership you have to own and occupy your property we would have to collect a tremendous amount of data on that we'd have to get a copy of to people's tax returns to verify they live in the house  which is just shy of one hundred thousand dollars basically that as a result of additional new growth another of new common misconception about new growth new growth we capture as the  you know we can't just raise additional taxes so we can unfortunately by the time we get the process done we're not in sync with how meeting we're still working into july and august clara getting everything clear on the new growth now we try to get is accurate as possible but in this case we did we had a more successful year so from us to apologize for being successful in collecting addition to growth but that's money that if you don't lose this money it goes and other departments but again led by the board of assessors but i think it's a this is not something that is easily done we have it's a lot of that and we certainly appreciate all your efforts and the collaborative efforts with the other count upon and other as we informed you we've extended the deadline to for the board is likely to recede applications for the community path implementation committee to december eighth which then we will forward you any additional applications that are received so that you're able to if you so choose to deliberate on december fifteenth on appointment of five members to this new committee i think that today i was maybe just to talk briefly about some of the charges of the implementation committee so that in your deliberations of appointments that you have a sense of the skill sets that you may require to meet the charge that you're set forth with regard to this community path implementation committee and we have talked about this before  as we've talked about this before and the key thing is that it's an implementation committee the board of selectmen you know the community path advisory committee wrote they were fo and they gave the board of selectmen recommendations on route as well as rude options as well as options within certain segments of the routes the board of selectmen will make those decisions as to which route option at which segment of this community pac will be selected we want this committee to be in you know able to deal with the issues of design construction and implementation that are bound to come up here have we're part of this involves a feasibility study of the selected route so that we can figure out the true costs of this and also to look at what potential finding vehicles might be out there  for grants or any other assistance from the state or other and he's that's really what i see this you know implementation committee doing and we're looking for people that have skills and design construction and implementation of similar projects that's really what we're looking for and all of those out there that can hear this and want to be involved were actually to receive your application we've received some good application so far yet the only thing i would that yes please go to both colleagues is you know the selectmen did appoint  community advisory committee that you know for their credit spent many long volunteer hours you know putting together a impressive you know report and analyzing routes and now we're going to next step and we're pointing an implementation committee and i think the expectation is that we are committed also to fund engineering services that's going to help keep carry this forward without understanding that we're asking you know many volunteers to put many hours in and there is going to be an expectation of finding the next step that we need to be prepared to do that from from everything that i've heard at that if we can find and complete this feasibility study that that will be a vehicle to obtain actual implementation funding for other you know parts of the design as well as the construction and that'll work hoping so with that expectation and with that can hope you know i certainly would be supportive of trying to you know put some wonderful we don't lot of work on countless hours a lot of volunteer i think we've got a good reporter mean we may not agree with all of the recommendations but i think we really need to charge him who taisha committee to come up with a design and a path that works for this community and we need to fund the feasibility study because as i understand it in talking to our state representatives about some of the brunt berggruen represent the rogers there is significant fund and others that i've met with over coffee that is significant eighth and then that gives us a week to check them out and really review them all very carefully so that we can come here on the fifteenth and now if you can discuss something that's the plan ok great that's great actually all right thank you yours quite a bit of parking on both sides of the street i don't believe that will be made sure i do want to point out that a number of the businesses in that block and in the light of the world after the around five o'clock not all but a number of them so one i want to point out there's a five hundred forty foot basement which will be exclusively for storage it is currently not really use but any store it would have in there which we would hope would also cut down the number of deliveries that would be required our trash pick up weekly at the moment they share a dumpster if things pick up to the point that they need their own dumpster three strapped with a pickup i should say that certainly wouldn't be an issue for my clients allow our we feel that the sale of your mind at this location would fill the need there is not a similar there would not be a similar store within a two mile radius they're not selling crack be option would not only be good for my client but it would be good for our own i want to point out with reference to the size of the store right now the upstairs is about five hundred forty feet also but we will hear from the la opportunity for expansion there is later you don't have to tell us now and yes you can make your presentation please do it if you know that's just who might be interested in what other products are being sold and what you said surrender for the for reference was you so i'm karen and this is my husband a j and my next flight has table of contents i'm talking very brief things about these things one is a little bit about to bellow variety  some of the information i was able to gather from neighbors a loyal customers and some of the friends of our edition of beer and wine purpose benefits some of the fact that my husband i found online and our customers and neighbors overall goal our case and then the references that i had to work site about triple a variety what i found was that it's been serving as a convenience store for about or over twenty years in that area and i think it's being in business for over thirty years but i'm not too sure about that data twenty years i was pretty confident based on what i found and it's been a convenience store major people that live in between waverly square and cushing square the addition of beer and wine and the addition of beer and wine to the store it will bring variety to the area and it will be convenient for neighbors customers people working in that area it increases businesses hence the revenue will increase not just to the business but also to belmont and it will be an opportunity for us to grow in the field to grow in the business field one of the things that couple of my customers pointed out is when they live near waverly square and near wall dam they kind of end up going to this to this  place called beer and wine or wine and something i forget but it's right and wall them and they would like to come to our store since they get their lottery cigarettes and stuff like that from us all the time but they can't get their liquor from us because we don't have their beer or whatever it may be they're looking for benefits again this is representative it's the same thing convenience the more revenue more jobs for belmont residents opportunity to grow a variety  brings variety to the area one of the things my husband pointed out along with the more jobs as we get if we have to add more dumpster it would also be falling in the category of creating more jobs now these are some of the facts that we came across i added these things based on what my neighbors and customers suggested one of the paper that was released in two thousand and seven listed belmont as a dry town i think that's the same time that it mentioned the development was granted all occur license if i'm not mistaken so the thing i wanted to point out a point out about that was the effect being there has as people b their liquor at the end of the day but the end of benefiting other town worse is versus beyond majority of the residents and customers favor the addition of beer and wine and i found that out through my petitions signed over here i did come across people that said no we would not like to sign it but it would that was probably too out of ninety people that i asked to support and didn't have another factor that we came across as there are millions of dollars of projects passed for two better improve the infrastructure of the town which would increase the number of people that pass through live in or work in the town hence potentially giving business  this is one of my husband's favorite research paper that we came across its it was released by mit it focus focuses on triple zero road and you guys have a copy i believe of that but i'm going to mention some of the quotes that we like out of this paper and one of them is listed over here it says a stronger business and vironment along the triple a road east belmont street corridor will give residents and son tips to shop locally for goods and services rather than spending in their own towns and commercial in other towns and commercial centers another quote i wanted to mention is on page fifty one it says a vibrant and financially healthy retail centers will increase the property values along the corridor allowing a higher percentage of the town's tax revenue used to come from businesses a third quote is it says however this area does not have the number of comparison good stores belmont residents are obliged to shop in other towns and districts that provide the goods they need example arlington center harvard square and our wife i know but the two squares i'm not sure about the third one and then one of the paper mentioned some of the recommendations for belmont and one of the recommendation which is recommendation number two it's on page sixty it says recruit businesses that will attract local shoppers overall goal one thing  wanted to mention before i start talking about these things is i personally don't drink but i don't object the sale of liquor or the business of liquor my overall goal with this is generating business  serving the community with more variety and convenience the making this a better convenience store growing as a business in beaumont and building lasting relations with customers and vendors are tasty one of the things i wanted to mention over here is i understand some of the people opposing it not completely supporting the addition of flicker because they have some fear worry they have some moral values believes in other factors but it is also important to understand the significance of adding beer and wine to the towns and its pros versus the cons and this should probably be your last flight as a business we understand the the importance of responsibly selling liquor products to only legal age persons checking i d s with all sales not selling to minors operating the business during appropriate and legal hours considering the law and rightfully maintaining good relations with all stakeholders keeping the property camera monitored we have it right now it was prior to we got it when we got the business but we my husband has installed cameras and it's now camera monitored and another thing i wanted to mention s selling it not owning any businesses is my first time owning a business but my mom my professional career has been in health care industry i have done businesses helping family friends relatives manda cousins i guess you can say but they were not i was not earning paychecks while working for them i just got tons of experience because i started working there since the age of i think i was thirteen and a half so i have worked in motels and work to grocery stores doing different kinds of businesses so i would say i am an a plus in that knowledge but i think i have a good amount of knowledge to at least go ahead and stick my foot in the yeah yeah my question is ok you sell water juice soda milk candy chips what percentage of your customers are teenagers and younger children if i had to guess it would be  teenagers would probably fall under five to x percent majority of my customer majority of my sale is lottery and cigarettes and majority of the customers we get starting five thirty six o'clock in the morning they all older generations people working in town people coming from different towns people wanting to play a lottery for their midday an evening numbers and so on and so forth so we rarely see kids we see kids with their parents often in summer because we have slush reparatory over there but if we get beer and wine the slush would have to go because we want to have room for that at all but that is one of the reasons why we see kids during summer otherwise we don't really get to see  all and a but i just want you to realize that that's what happened with that because there is a certain reticence to include all three of them in one package and though it's not contiguous there it is within the five hundred foot radius of the bubbler schools so he's expressed some concern about that and i think that's something just to do for a year when the public something that i w school i know the area very well you've also got a movie theater right near you that attracts a lot of kids ok a potential daycare center that maybe you know one store over from  you it's a very family friendly child oriented part of town i mean we used to ride our bikes up and down propeller road in that area as elementary school students and and junior high students so so you know that the concern i have is the loss of that family friendly atmosphere and of course you know the compatibility of beer and wine sales with children whois exactly what that was thinking you know it's not an upper scale you know wine and cheese store suggest you know a regular liquor store that part also i have a teenager fifteen years old that part of town exactly p q park you know that exactly that corner where the story is located it is already go to the neighborhood a liquor store in there also is a well known that you know that kind of stores are better outside the reach of public transportation because you know you know the least fortunate feudal society that oxes to those stores that they can get in there with you know just a couple of dollars so condos for the better part the million dollar and pay taxes to have a neighborhood that creates out of jobs for people i don't see the point i see maybe you know opera scale store but you know that particular spot in town definitely not liquor and i'm surprised to see mit cited it from it and and beside this convenience store a couple blocks away from you yet l c for right here at at i personally just can't see you know without making an arbitrary decision denying l c that i mean i hope your business does great i hope you take over the two stores around you and you for all you know we want businesses to succeed but but you know i just because of the area because of how we decided on l c variety i mean i'm being honest with you i just can't see myself supporting your application  see a package store as it is you know is it is an addition to that neck of the woods really doesn't do the town justice comes thank you  ok one more year ago i just i'm just making sure i also live in the area and your name and address alice lee eleven twenty nine hawthorne as well live just down the street and i think that we don't really need a liquor store right there i mean we can go to the craft store or the the spirit scrummy place down the street to get what we need and or even to watertown i just start really i think it's the right place i one more two more all right for sheila for going thirty six street and i actually do live across the street from the butler school and i'm opposed to the license request for the reasons that when baghdadi said chairman rojas and especially with said i just don't think that this is what the licenses are intended for and bomb and i think you've done a great job found one can hold its head high with the businesses that we have and i would hate to see a list liquor license be granted to a convenience store i'm opposed thank you very much yes my name's bill jones sullivan twenty nine arthur in st and i also agree i'm opposed to it as well  but i think what really struck me with realistic we are older teenagers who want to find a place that will sell you and i know the word goes around and someone will and so i can only suggest to you that this client will not do that  and they'll be a license perhaps credit and i hope whoever gets licenses will you have that trust in them that they will sell to myers i can assure you that this claim i will not i realize you've got to have a decision a lot of people is a very very important characteristic of anybody that i certainly would consider granting any kind of liquor license to embellish however and i feel you guys are you know look like really earnest hardworking and intelligent individuals who are dedicated to do this properly but that's not the only place that the other criteria in this really is  proximity to young families and school children and why that you know means as far as the town how it sees it's that's one thing the other thing is the you know joint sale of and it troubles me of liquor cigarettes and lottery all together and that really in a way defines the story in a way makes the following findings as grounds for this denial ok one its proximity to the danube upper school and five hundred feet of the school premises and second expectation of adverse process i believe that the cable t v advisory committee is meeting shortly and will be in a position to maybe make a presentation to you at the december fifteenth meeting at the last meeting you indicated to the applicant that they do not need to come to this meeting tonight  i think we all understand basically the issues involved and if you could please use your time efficiently read a picture short and giving a paper copy of richard i'm assuming it's not worth the trouble of getting at the update with his picture on it and so forth i'll just carry on with what is here i don't know if you have a version with a photograph or without most of the one  so what i'll go over is this report which goes over the existing conditions and the proposed conditions under the nine hundred sixty one data versus the two thousand and eleven data and then i've also added in the history of impervious land in this general area as a way to emphasize the importance of taking this into consideration this whole presentation will begin and end with this request so my basic request to you is to insure that a building permit is not issued for this proposed development without consideration of the public health and safety issues that come into play due to the increased rainfall in the last fifty years as well as the increased impervious surface in the last fifty years it's my understanding that there has not been a building permit issued yet if you want to inform me differently please do so i also would request that you continue to show leadership on the whole issue of dealing with storm water elmont as you have over the last few years most recently with the storm water by law that takes into account the two thousand precipitation data instead of the fifty year old data that the state uses but also in two thousand and eleven for the storm water management system in the wind neighborhood that's really functioned incredibly well but the even simpler message is that with more rain coming and more impervious surface all of us are subject to more flooding risk so as a reminder this is little pond on the left the edge of belmont in cambridge is shown as a border on the diagonal on the right hand side it's very close also to our border with arlington on the top and the yellow letters show us the five buildings that are proposed on this site on acorn park drive there is one tree that's was designated by our tree warden as worth saving within ten feet of the properties and i market in pink here just because i use that as a reference point in later slides in particular the green line represents the north trail on the parkland the d c are the state owns and the next slide will show photographs that include that tree marked with the  there the most of the area where the proposed buildings are were until last month until i tobar forest land they were as i'm sure you're all aware that the  trees were cleared towards the end of october but prior to that in january of two thousand and thirteen that tree which if you look carefully has a pink tag around it was this forested land this is from january twenty third teen and then the sunday before thanksgiving that same tree is the only one that was saved these are this is what the land looks like today more or less it's changing the size of those thirty miles is changing every day so the with the trees gone this is just i've noticed that the path on the north trail is getting wetter than it used to i'm not the expert bruce is and let's go over what bruce has to say about the what the numbers show so again we've got the proposed building bruce jacobs is the engineer who was with me last  so he wrote a report entitled the review of the drainage calculations for the proposed residences of acorn park drive friends of ale wife reservation as represented tonight by ellen masse and i'm sure others funded his analysis of the the standard drainage calculations which the landowner did for the proposed development the standard drainage calculations involve running a standard simulation program called hydro cad which was developed in the one nine hundred sixty s and what bruce did is he replicated based on the output that were submitted to the town the simulation run that was submitted with the one nine hundred sixty one data since that's all that is required for the state protection act the state building regulations on public health and safety for people  not as specific as the state ones protection act they just require that the building inspector insure public health and safety he after replicating it with an assumed six point five inches for the hundred year storm he then ran that heidrich head simulation computer program again with a two thousand and eleven so called cornell data which is eight point eight inches in a one hundred year storm and the net result which will go over a little bit more detail in the next slide or so is that sure enough the project is designed to handle a six point five inch storm as required by the wetlands protection act but with eight point eight inches during that one hundred year storm one hundred fifty thousand gallons of excess water will run off the property because the storm water management system is so close to that six point five inch capacity this information was presented on october twenty eighth to the cambridge city council committee on public health and the environment and there was discussion during that meeting on where with those one hundred fifty thousand gallons of excess stormwater well that's a very complicated question to answer and not one that i or bruce jacobs can answer without a lot more expensive analysis but certainly as residents downstream of this site the cambridge public health and safety health and the environment committee was very concerned to understand what belmont's position is on that water and where it's going to go i don't know whether they formally contacted you about it or not but they certainly indicated an intent to at that meeting so to provide a little bit more detail  there were three runs of the simulation made the first one is summarized in table three of this report which i sent to you and the way these models work is is they define what are called points of analysis in this case for this project there were three points of analysis a b and c and  bruce replicated those results he then tried to run it with the two thousand and eleven data and found some errors in the way the simulation works when a system is flooded and so he changed certain parameters that are described in the report in such a way that he could identify how much extra water the hundred fifty thousand gallons would be flowing off the site compared to what was modeled with the one nine hundred sixty one data and he was also able to look at the other key metric that protection act regulations require you to look at which is called the peak discharge so he put that into table four of the report and then in table five he provided a summary comparison so the results of his analysis not surprisingly he just starts by saying that the one hundred sixty one estimates as i presented to her earlier this year show that the hundred year storm is estimated to be several inches less dramatic than his current that was estimated in two thousand and eleven both for existing conditions and for the proposed development and the total run off volume post development if if a hundred year storm is as estimated one hundred sixty one this this project meets the world's protection act requirements but if it was in two thousand and eleven one point six three acre feet with the two thousand and eleven data would be running off as a delta between the existing versus proposed conditions and that's point four six acre feet greater than the one point one seven  on the bottom row of that table five so even with the one nine hundred sixty one data there's one point one seven acre feet of runoff but that fits within the wetlands protection regulations that goes up to one point six three acre feet if you use the two thousand and eleven data so it goes up by thirty six percent if you subtract one from the other you get point four six acre feet if you turn that into gallons it's one hundred fifty thousand gallons improve the destroyed rate to lower it from what it is with with the set of assumptions they make but if you put in the two thousand and eleven data the peak discharge rate goes up to six point six cubic feet per second which is quite a dramatic difference and that's just because they're in filtration basin which is also used for storage and there are other strategies for storage get completely overwhelmed and so you have a peak discharge rate of six point six one cubic i have the actual aerial photographs that show what's listed on this site and then they're fascinating and but from one nine hundred twenty four to one nine hundred seventy four there has been a huge increase in the i rvious land and it's been driven by the automobile but the growing population and industry in the area in summary you know since the hurricane of one thousand thirty eight which is the earliest historic photograph that  available that i can find it was mainly agricultural there was the beginnings of the residential building growth to the automobile by one nine hundred fifty five those farms are starting to be further encroached by residential and we've got the start of our thirty little in cambridge and one end of acorn park drive in one thousand nine hundred sixty eight there was a huge highway construction project in one thousand sixty seven a forest that's grown up so it's sort of a mixed picture between one nine hundred seventy four and two thousand and fourteen good things are actually happening from the perspective of the pervious versus previous land because nature reclaimed whatever neglected farmland and neglected construction sites had not already been developed and and of course today we have taken a step backward by removing the forest but if you look at google maps satellite view which is in your packet there at least in black and white you'll see a quite lush forest as has grown up there i've also taken a look at how many roads miles of roads we have in belmont in this period so from one thousand twenty to one nine hundred sixty we doubled the number of roads and that is a pretty good indicator of the amount of impervious surface that we've got so this chart is from richard betts book which was reissued within the last year of the streets of belmont so that has nothing to do with climate change but the fact is climate change is happening at the same time so as i was saying earlier more rain and more impervious surface is leading to more flooding risk which just makes it all the more important to make sure that we don't jeopardize the health and safety of the residents of these buildings and of the neighbors with the use of fifty year old data and that we as a town and us selectman continue to show leadership on this issue by finding ways to convert impervious surface to previous surface thank you ed henry just a general comment we're not going to say a lot about this than that and as you know that we're subject to legal action that will prevent us from commenting there's nothing we can do in terms of offering you any comment tonight that would in any way give you any indication of what we're thinking because of the pending legal action so i don't see us saying very much i'll open it up to my colleagues and they can express their feelings on it but i will not be saying anything about this i mean all i'll say it's in court so i think unless there's some other litigation i don't know about this litigation was filed in october tenth and some of the selectmen since the selectmen were a little can in terms of emory's presentation and where will the water go i recall i would quote or paraphrase david webster of the belmont conservation commission when we talked about another issue of the infiltration chamber backing up because of the high water table and he thought that the parking lots would be flooded that was his response so that some one thing to look at is glen or your engineering firm to look at is what the impacts will be of having backed up water that's not even getting into catch basins but it's backing up as you know the case is related to storm water so i guess that's why you can't talk about any kind of storm water but these are permits that are required for a building permit and the his political position of the coalition i'm speaking for the coalition now is that no building permits should be issued since these permits are required or prerequisites for a building permit it would make sense to issue a building permit and possibility having construction going on when suddenly these the court decide these permits have to be enforced and that's a think thank everybody guess that if you get a lot of money you can just push anybody around and that's the name of the game it's just you know this is a permanent structure you are in temporary seats this is permanent you temporary where do we go from here very good question good question if everybody appreciates watching this you should be very very upset about this this is bad stuff and this is going to be a lot of ramifications in the worse is yet to come believe me when i tell you a temporary long term temporary so i have to say thank you i'm virginia for her i'm on hurley street and precinct eight yes i'm sorry that's not good enough ok let me know i've been part of this since about two thousand that's even longer than steve h and we are tired i think it's time for us to let you know how we feel there's no more beating around the bush we're sickened by what's happening we're in the immediate neighborhood i've had flooding in my basement on her early street i care deeply about the wildlife in the area and our belmont citizen tells us that two deer and a fox have already died why because they're fleeing all this and they matter to me and to a lot of other people around me and you know i could go on all night but i'm not going to bore you with that those are my feelings and the feelings of the people i interact with and i hope you'll listen to us it's important as steve just said this isn't just tonight it isn't just your seats it's the future of belmont  i'm krista woodward and more road i'm just a citizen of belmont i'm not part of any group but i thought this was a chance to say something i think it's even longer than ten years ago i remember going to a meeting  years ago when which there were some water specials there was a whole panel i don't know if you were part of the political scene then but it's been going on for a long time and we're just one thing about this whole impervious service and the question of learning flooding and i wanted to ask about the future in terms of if all the congestion on the road such as we see more and more route to at rush hour even concord avenue coming into belmont center blocking up the road such as pleasant street these are maybe roads that will be flooded with water but they're flooded with traffic and this is having such a negative impact on the citizens of belmont and anyone who's going through belmont that it's  kind of future hell that it seems that if this permit goes through in there how many more hundreds of people living at that site whether they're flooded with rainfall and water is one thing but whether they're if they're flooded with more and more unpleasant commuting conditions why have people lived there this whole notion that it's a benefit to make apartments for people it seems to have a backlash that is very negative on people's sorts of plans or what sorts of abstaining from plans that you don't have to do that are you considering to understand what i mean it seems that there may be as this other person said enough legal cases against whoever makes the decision to do a building thing like this the damage that it could be doing in the future would have huge economic and legal repercussions copied hard copies of and i'll give one to mr kale as well as skiing as anne marie requested that no building permit be given but i also wanted to go back to her calculations we also engage this particular firm to assess what was going to happen in cambridge because there is discharge there are three pipes but one of the discharge systems is going into cambridge and that is part of the comprehensive permit design and it was approved in cambridge and as supposed to like i guess it had to be approved in belmont as well but that is going  as we found out very recently tens of thousands of storm or a polluted storm water you know it comes from those underground basins so it has oil sand salt it's coming from the parking lots underground parking lots and those gallons and a two year storm will be bringing in tens of thousands of polluted storm water directly into a legally protected well of cambridge and that now is being discussed thoroughly in cambridge with the with the councillors and with others this was brought up at the environmental committee meeting which was referred to by lambert and so i suppose we all have a lot of concern so we're supporting the groups in belmont as well as the cambridge groups are very very concerned about the future impacts to this and we're asking people to begin to consider the pervious surface possibilities of the region of the regional interests and that is so today i think i have found out that you will be getting some direct overtures from the city of cambridge to speak with councillors the selectmen of the council to sit down talk together and see if there's any way that as a region because we're all affected that  you folks can talk to each other and see if there are any final possibilities for keeping this land this floodplain center it is a major major floodplain for the boston area so we really have to see see it beyond that and i know you're in a difficult position so i feel for your deliberations and thank you for not giving the building permit to date so i would like to r as you know cambridge is the richest city probably east of palo alto we have one hundred forty million dollars free care and we're getting richer all the time and we could have solved this problem by ourselves a decade ago but city council told me that belmont would not cooperate and that the belmont selectman would not  negotiate with alongside cambridge i have no reason to believe that he's telling the truth but i've heard from belmont people that it's cambridge that has that refused to to deal with o'neill and if they want but i just hope this balkanization which goes on all the time will some day come to an end i don't see it coming to an end but i hope t cambridge city council would like to sit down and have direct talks we would be more than welcoming thank you committee the l life watershed trust i have been on the conservation commission i have a number of different positions and city  organizations so i'm very familiar with this and have worked with a lot of these people and ellen mohs but i learned that the silver maple forest absorbed a lot of water that would have flooded your area and and mine look i remember the map to the flood map our property is one foot from the edge of the flood zone now i don't think the water pays any attention to that delineation but i hope you will because it runs downhill and they say it's coming and if we can stop the building if we could have stopped the cutting of the trees those beautiful trees but we couldn't we couldn't in cambridge you couldn't and and that's a real shame but any what we can do to slow down the building construction in this area would help immensely thank you thank you it tell meeting member precinct seven just a question is there something preventing you from reaching out to cambridge and to arlington to have that conversation you were just talking about no nothing presentation he was in council and frankly they were from the per year so it's not that we haven't reached go through the community to try to find some way forward and frankly without commenting extensively this board has done extensive would make is i hope that and i hear what you're saying but i still need to make this comment and appreciate you're hearing it with the amount of effort and consideration you give to the residents of that variety store and how important it is that those you know young kids that are daycare don't drink and we know in belmont with my three teenagers and all the teenagers around here that it doesn't matter where you place it they're getting it anyway ok so but do you place as much importance on the flooding that's happening there increase flooding we can see it at the high school we don't even need we don't even need a ten year flood we don't even need we don't need a ten year storm to remember that to just drive and drop your kids off at school that that pond is flooded and that road is flooded and that's down the road and all along all these people's salaries are just stinky with all kinds of water and it just for the person who's not a hydrologist yet an environmentalist which is my background i understand how a small amount of an increase is going to make any new or mass difference so i just ask you did get the same as you know in the new and i think and marie mentioned it in the new storm water bottle that we supported them was past we allowed or made for it to comply with the two thousand and market has several years of public works and public manager experience and since two thousand and thirteen he has held the position of executive director of city services which is what they call public works in the city of everett massachusetts in addition m market has served as assistant director of public works for the city of bryan texas superintendent operations manager of solid waste for the city in nashua new hampshire and manager village manager for the village of northfield  meetings in addition mr market is a member of the m w r a advisory board representing the city of everett mr marcotte extensive experience and public works operations of management including water sewer and still more operations fiscal management and project management has provided him with the opportunity to work effectively with elected and appointed officials committees and boards at all government levels i believe that we have been very fortunate to attract a qualified  individual to lead the belmont public works department so as to continue to provide the high quality services to the residents of belmont i would also take a moment to thank the board of selectmen for their participation in the hiring process for this key position for the town of belmont therefore i am recommending that the board of selectmen confirm the appointment mr jason market as director of public works effect of monday january fifth two thousand and fifteen juices again i think at  ation for his retirement i mention the fact that we had candidates who came before us for the director of public works and i think that in the public works field belmont is that we will be in a position to continue the good work that has been established by the entire public works department and peter over his thirty three years so it was enthusiasm with enthusiasm i recommend that of public works effect of money to a fifty thousand fifteen i second all i favor packet and we got a letter today from as late letter from gerry dick out from the president the belmont business association they're doing their midnight madness tomorrow i think we've we've got this because this is a standard practice that they do yearly and he apologizes for not requesting the extension on a more timely fashion there are a lot of things going on licenses in the our hours of operation so in and i know we can this last year so i'm just asking just that it's midnight madness sales do we have to be specific to each business or you just think the way we've done this most businesses in the center who participate which is most they opened to midnight it's a blanket approval basically for belmont center belmont so we can designate a month several businesses contained within that wish to remain open till midnight have a have approved by the force like etc business association requests for their retail stores and by monsanto located on lettuce street to remain open until twelve midnight on tuesday december second i second not received official confirmation on the status of our green communities application but we've been asked to celebrate and hopefully we will receive confirmation of our green communities and make the announcement that the governor will make that on  in addition to that and i e mailed you earlier in the or later in the day to take a few minutes this is the time of year where we are requested to  formulae or available revenue budgets for the upcoming year off for fiscal sixteen what i would entertain is to provide the board i can find in front of me a hard copy of that available revenue as a draft and and ask you to review that and to have conversations with regard to the information in a summary way on wednesday night and frame out for the war committee some of the items that are contained in here with regard to the some of the assumptions began i realized that you aware last year during the process we took a look at our non property tax revenues and were able to make assessments for the fiscal fifteen budget and to basically make assumptions that get us to a sustainable revenue estimate for major sources of revenue such as motor vehicle excise meals tax penalties and interest license and permits and  like as you heard tonight one of the pieces that we were waiting for is the establishment of the tax levy as part of the first rate setting process for fiscal fifteen there is a as you heard from the board of assess there's about ninety thousand dollars in excess levy capacity it will be carried over for fiscal sixteen which will provide more resources the thing to mention is that fiscal sixteen the cherry middle school bond issue drops off so that is a debt exclusion amount that basically will lower the amount of property taxes raised  that specific debt issuance in addition however that there's a drop off of three hundred eighty two thousand dollars from s b a reimbursements that are used to fund that bond issue or that bond issue which also be dropping off  again this dovetails into the work of the financial taskforce to ask whether this aligns with the modeling that you've done yes so basically this that we've been deliberate making sure that it ties into the model increases in parking meter revenues based upon the increase in fees that were recently approved and assumes frankly based upon what we've been hearing lately about the state budget being us somewhat o legislature so that will happen in february of this year other items you know again there will be increases in our minute man assessment as a placeholder as well as increases in our retirement pension assessment and again decrease a in our debt service overall because a drop off in the general middle school debt service but again to remember though that total debt service will be offset by the drop off by the cherry but is will have an offset based upon the debt exclusion was approved for the underwood pool and the authorization to borrow for the belmont center reconstruction posher that happened in nov seventeenth so we've taken the time  or other input so that we can then begin the conversation with the war committee with regard to coming up with an available revenue budget budget as part of the beginning of the process again as you all aware this is the beginning of the process because there will be over the next several weeks a fermi up to some of the assumptions whether it's the minuteman assessment or its state a or other kinds of revenues that we may receive that we're anticipating so again that gives you a thumbnail sketch of what we in general terms will be communicated to the war committee and again communicate to that you're in the process of reviewing this and that basically we will have f level comments rather than getting into the details because as you move out beyond that say seventeen or eighteen in the vein of look services which he guesses anything beyond three years perhaps four then is highly gentlemen agree they would like to share those that modeling with them i think having the current committee assist us in this endeavor is really being at the you know recommendations of financial force and helping us just before we go into executive session just approval of meeting minutes is you guys review the october twentieth it was the at the beach street center our six o'clock meeting before the  reasons for holding an executive session as part of this meeting are as follows to conduct strategy sessions of preparation for negotiations with nonunion personnel or to conduct collective bargaining sessions or contract negotiations with non union person and to consider the purchase exchange lease or value of real property if i declare that an open meeting would have better mental effect on the negotiating position