good evening good evening it's april twentieth twenty fifth and we are here for the town of richmond water and sewer commissioners meeting on the agenda welcome a public comment welcome and then we'll have public comment momentarily we'll have a ten minute executive session in contract negotiations with riverview commons and then a number of other business items quest name extension  item east main street water line discussion water line breaking utility agreement there's a detailed specific item they're touched but the budget superintendents report and then minutes and warrants thank you for taking  so that would make the motion to enter executive session on paper i we are now at executive session so we have back exit a executive session and we're back into our public expand lines as far as riverview common mobile home park we continue negotiations with the owner of riverview common mobile home park and the key issue not surprisingly is is really about negotiating contracts and price so that me don't have a substantive update on there but negotiations continue so that the progress up te and then the cost to date which include investments of legal time and preparation time to remind folks that to pursue the band there are several things that have to happen to get  loaned money to the town to build this sort of project which include to mention hearing works on legal work and the band faute so we have spent some cost or some money on the costs associated with that and we were asked i think at the last meeting how much that was forty forty three thousand dollars a combination of legal time in engineering rolled into the rates it becomes part of the overall cash flow or pro forma for the extension can't pay for itself the issue is if it doesn't go forward and we don't have the revenue to pay for it we as current users were idea up the flagpole to as you describe a bit mixed results in from where i sit it's not a pressing issue in tow unless and until we have a project that isn't moving forward and then we have bills that are about a six hundred thousand dollars spread over the six that we had there and which in fact was about over half a million over what we had anticipated for the cost of the project you might fairly the requirement to have two cells we could save money both on the thing you do in the past and play as we talk about this today and we could even save money and obviously save we might not this might be able to save money would the way around a wire felt about it you know look at it at my fellow commission members at this point thinking you know work this is another project work pretty far down the road at this point however is different from the extensions at this point perhaps could be done so we we've used roughly two hundred fifty thousand plus were committed to roughly one hundred thousand who were construction engineering on the construction before that so this has been i think fairly described in the past of this truck already project and is now coming up very early because it's the oldest section of our system but also for the i think the user is we also have a user meeting coming up on may eleventh users should reasonably ask what are these projects going to do to migrate so you should be prepared to answer those mathematical questions we have loan payments that are going offline as these come online but i think we should be prepared to answer some question this if it comes in on budget what is the average user pay if it comes in over budget be prepared to discuss with people the impact on rates and then for east maine we need the revised water sewer only updated figures and then some of the same conversations by what they have with  refusing yourself would be can't vote either you're welcome to listen to the conversation  me an e mail saying that he he wasn't going to concede it was his fault that he didn't have time to talk about you know he looked forward to a discussion and a later time with us where i want to the commission be aware of that were be talking to ok can we schedule this for a detailed conversation with gary presser here and presumably the reason this comes up is is our water sewer staff item three i think is really the relevant the breasts are so reimbursed town for any and all repair replacement and maiden's costs relating to the installed facilities including costs related to road and or sidewalk settlement that the time may incur any time after the and plus i'd like to get rid of that force line at some point so i'd like to work with the grocers to relocate their service lower down the street the eight inch thick process they're currently comes up for and that's going to i like this budget for the most part i think what we need to focus our time on is the capital expenses because there or so  planning ones that may or may not happen this year so we'll go take a look at years that's going to be around thirty seven thousand dollars a year so if he's made was nine hundred thousand and we got a negative interest rate we're probably talking somewhere around thirty thousand a year and if we wanted to phase into that we could put this at a lower nope and then you have the short term capital fund and the other two you  should consider how much you want to do for those you can see him which we have and as represented if if we move forward with those as they are this is an increase of work capital of eighty five percent s two percent and you're putting it all of the capital savings that's a lot better way to go why or why everybody else but you just lost me on how we increase our budget by thirty six percent increase rates by one percent because when you look at this type of budget which hasn't been done before you're balancing your revenues with your spence's you know just looking for a budget decrease or if i did increase the percentage you're seeing your revenues and your expenses directly so we can all saying is you're taking in a little bit more from your quarterly billing then you just wait so he's trying to fill that gap by increasing reserve so instead of reducing the rate we're centrally keep rates flat generates additional revenue for capital and reduce the need to borrow and raise rates again as much in the the monies towards these and we have had that conversation in the past you know with three of five commission members here i'm a little sensitive to you know we have fish we have a forum but two people are missing in terms of the budget conversation they use so i appreciate that point it is a modest percent increase in terms fees the fire service fees which impact another part of the budget and then super user receipts we have booked a three percent increase the other wild card is what you've proposed for next year is close to two hundred we made out like it being the federal because everybody had meter freezing issue which in the region was to go to place there also illustrates your point about putting that sort of access revenue into reserves as opposed to encourage folks on the commission to do is to look at the column from far right that just show the increase or decrease you can see where things are going up or down  and one of the things that accomplishes is small increases each year as opposed to at some future you're having a ten or fifteen percent increase from moving to well some of our roger and there is one other aspect i think when we get to the end of the meeting cable either do this on overhead or is handouts to have a similar conversation would be helpful yes superintendent report we have skipped over the i don't know that something yeah that gets me so i think we have to just because we have about sixteen minutes left many things to the patien and the other advantage i think is you've mentioned is we have the advantage of having significant unused capacity so we don't have our crisis or problems yet but to plan ahead to avoid