the an eighth grade english curriculum is when we tackle teaching the holocaust that's a really difficult topic it's an important topic for us to teach right it's not something that we're going to shy away from it's really important that you learn difficult parts of human history and large part because you can understand the mistakes that were made in the past so that we don't make them moving forward and we don't ignore that it happened but one of the challenges when thinking about something so big and so terrible is how do we break this down into a way that students can understand so there's a reason you don't read history textbooks about the holocaust only but you read a memoir about the holocaust right  helps personalize that for you so you can understand one person's experience and this morning we have a fantastic opportunity to have dr and ornstein who is a holocaust survivor come and speak to you and talk about her experiences as she was deported from hungary to auschwitz and as a survivor of auschwitz and she will talk about her experience it's another way for us to have you understand in a much more personal way the impact of the holocaust both in the thirty's and the forty's and obviously since then you guys are in a position as students of this age to be one of the last group of a generation who will be able to hear from holocaust survivors right survivors of the show are aging and at some point they will be no they won't you won't have an opportunity your children for example will not have the opportunity to hear this and be able to connect with this in a way tremendously you were tremendously lucky to have this opportunity so without further ado i will introduce you to  thank you thank you thank you very much i really like to be here i don't know if my accent is the stuart thing my voice too much already you have no problem understanding if i don't hear my own accent people tell me i have to go that's how i know i heard your teacher using an expression actually you used it quite often i would  my dear i'm sorry you had your first one could you come and tell us what the holocaust can come to you oh yes i can yes i can ok somebody here w maybe i should talk about that you want to he had a bad back and all that kind stuff that may have been this was some wonderful description and also we learned what is your name what's your first name a was studying does something very important that the whole no cause was not simply persecution it was not simply not letting and discrimination and hate thread put all good people can end up in something that those people who are doing the discrimination  actually concede that people may said oh we don't fly gives people a day we don't want them to go to school our children and you know they're taking their jobs away from our fathers and from ah we don't klyde them and that is pretty prevalent that is somehow in the human psyche to feel that different i can see that you are watching the pictures  listening to me or are you more interested in the pictures you know what would be a good idea should i tell you about the pictures because i see that as i am talking they have i get my head out of the way i tell you the story and then we look at the pictures would that work ok sol i just wanted to tell you that persecution discrimination is a pretty general attitude among people and they don't think too much about it and not your teachers the cider to teach you that when that goes on and you don't pay attention to it and you just go along because why should i want a abided everybody hates the gypsies everybody aids the jews so so do i i never met one but they must be pretty bad to because and this is their he's and that i'm standing here and telling you about my experiences because i happen to be chosen to would make my my dad even though i was a people who could who looked as if they could still perform some so judging from the way oh there that's me a few years ago i i think it's an i also think it's really near poland too i know it's under like germany it's very rural about it like the land's very rural  snuck in the middle of europe you couldn't be more central so that is no ocean at around it's central in many many ways including the fact that somebody said you europe and hungary was in the eastern bloc is after had a war but before the war began before the journey manse began the war and that will be a problem may be and nobody could pound me when that was when the war began everybody knows it this is a letting good school everybody knows everything a difference because when you meet the survivor as you just met me or you would be meeting somebody who was born in poland or the parents rather or in other countries they had suffered at pretty different end fate so not every survivor had the same experience that kind of generalization is made put the sake of convenience  of this situation and the non what he was that that you can't single out people in terms of that religion and persecute them or make them different from everybody else is unfortunately as true today as it was in  idea of growing up i was very very as i am now i girls i want to belong to the most popular lad of all critics and i wanted to be as good in school the fire had the chance to go to one as possible so you out for yourself in a way and motional it and little area where you can feel like if the world would be all right and everything will be all right actually in reality when i was growing up think extremely difficult for my parents but i preferred clearly not to be aware of it or not to be fully aware of faired living in a very small town hi russians the germans lost and the russians began to make big headway powered go west and this is nine hundred forty four and a very sore one in what was it you know  it was d day invasion of normandy nineteen forty four which started the invasion of europe i think that being young american and learning about a second world war and learning about the holocaust you might have to him that extraordinarily important date and very fast they knew that the war is a bot to be lost but the jewish problem had to be sawyer and solving the jewish problem as you already know was by exterminating them children i felt that safety would be with my parents i managed to get home but that was not necessarily true because as a matter of fact the germans could or lack and deport the jews from the countryside but they had no more time to do that to jews in budapest but that parish is as you know the capital of hungary they killed the jews that by  seven my husband and i ve a scaped in nine hundred forty six and i can tell you about that unusual romance that the office had my husband met me when i was about that age you like my it's he said i hope you like the rest of me as well and he's only one survived from his family as i am the only one so mean that death had the war and now we have street children and actually school they lived in should be at the ok i thank you so much i think we have time for some conversation ok i cannot read these one on one hand yes really add these people say persecution hatred of the jews does not necessarily lead to x thirty min ation that's why deny it so they can't hear free air to spread anti semitic ideas that's my understanding potatoes and some bat to eat and then bats to sleep on and so by the time i got back in august and i saw some pictures of myself i had a value like that  it was one single russian soldier he came more thought by and he told us that the war is over at this point it was clear but we had no idea where we were and where we could go and he said  back the dots indicating the number of concentration camps and they were just one of them he couldn't really bother with us he had to move on and do what he had to do and so w but you had asked and the other question was fair or not and all that point she was making all my the most important part ya know i did not know dad for a long time did anybody survived and he did of my family or from or hear about me would they please notify him and they did and of august ninth in forty five he thought that both i and his father survive each other i think that's why i wasn't conscious of that at the beginning i am now very determined that that we have to somehow this is probably the oldest and most and during sentiment anti semitism it's essential if you will from many sides unconsciously not always fully to be held responsible for that and this is another problem to cold people i don't hold the second third and third generation of judgments responsible for  a matter of fact many of them are working very hard to build a different picture of germany's today and the really big democratic your body so it's a part of both thing to sink that people so many sentiment that had that religious background ways more than i did with mine because i was young and i did a pretty good my mother had a much harder time and if i look back on it i think i did pretty well and and that holocaust has not done what i was hoping it will do i really appreciate dead i want to tell you this is not maybe instructive to you but it's good for me too i love to be able to have a conversation with you thank you