of the chair thrilled to be recommendations for the coming year the allocations were circulated to the committee they are in front of you i believe and i don't think there's any more that i need to just explained all right thank you mr chairman members of the committee as i explained in my prior comments regarding chairman obie's proposed subcommittee allocations of discretionary spending from f y two zero zero seven through nine has been on an unsustainable path we are we just had both ladies branch and homeland come out of the subcommittee we're in the  focus i'm very supportive of the chairman's effort to get back to regular order and to move these bills expeditiously but we're going to everything we can while we will not agree on every issue in each of the bills nonetheless expedite the process over the last two fiscal years spending on non defense and non veterans affairs has increased by a staggering and notice by a staggering eighty five percent discretionary package if you take out the fence which is a big one to look at all the favorite programs reflected in the in the leadership of the house a staggering eighty five percent total discretionary spending during has increased by forty one percent simply put i do not believe we can in good conscience add another eight percent increase on top of these astronomical increases if we continue this type of rampant spending will very soon find the american people losing all faith in their government as i mentioned a few minutes ago my amendment will do the following it will increase the defense and milk  subcommittee's by six percent over f y o nine levels increase the homeland subcommittee by four percent over nine levels every other subcommittee to a two percent inflationary increase  over the zero nine period the adoption of this amendment if we were to have the votes mr chairman the adoption of this amendment would leave taxpayers with a price approximately thirty two point two billion dollars on the table in order to help reduce the national deficit compared to chairman obie's very generous increases in non defense and on homeland security accounts compared to the president's request my alternative uk allocations would save the taxpayer total of forty four point one billion dollars i urge adoption of the meme and yield back the balance m raeburn mr rodriguez mr rogers mr rogers cooperation from all members personally i would appreciate the help of every member regardless of how you feel on the bills i would appreciate it if you if you would cooperate with us in chairman this morning i am pleased to present to the committee the fiscal year two thousand and ten commerce justice science and related agencies appropriations bill which includes in the science area the national not expense space administration and the national science foundation at the outset mr chairman let me thank you for the thoughtful considerations and courtes that you've extended to our subcommittee and to me personally i also want to thank you for the allocation provided to the subcommittee without cation permits us to continue to invest in critical science research like climate change and education as well as in state and local law enforcement as all of my colleagues know the budget resolution adopted by the congress reduces discretionary spending in the aggregate from the levels requested by the president so while our allocation provides resources to continue these very important programs reductions in some programs for the fiscal year two thousand and nine levels and from the budget request in several areas where  necessitated i want to acknowledge the excellent work of an outstanding ranking member congressman frank was for his contributions to the development of the bill when he was chairman mr chairman and  gentlemen of the full committee when he was chairman of the subcommittee he advocated for many of the important programs in this bill and advocated effectively such as the ones just for example to improve work and education opportunities for inmates and to reduce prison rate been gang violence in our prisons he brought a passion do his work when he was on the subcommittee when he's chairman of the subcommittee and that passion remains with him today we very much simons and diana sampson derry new b tracy live turner scott sam inside detail he's doing an excellent job and to thank of course the minorities that professional staff that likewise is doing an excellent wrangler and john margins very much their efforts in brief summary this bill totals sixty four point four billion dollars an increase of six point seven billion over last year and two hundred million below the president's budget request on the surface these figures may lead some to conclude that the subcommittee was not faced with hard choices that really isn't correct we've had a lot of tough ones one must consider that the budget read reduced state and local grant programs by almost eight hundred million dollars that's an eight hundred million dollars we had to fill the hole we had to fill right from the beginning including the complete elimination of the state criminal alien assistance program scap which has a fair amount of support in the congress and a program that many members are passionately interested in reality and the subcommittee had  billion dollars in program savings difficult decisions were made that all in all the bill presented to you today is a good bill it's a balance bill and i feel warrants your support in particular the bill provides thirty point six billion investments in a science technology and innovation and increase of one billion dollars over comparable levels from last year within this level the subcommittee bill provides that point nine billion for the national science foundation and eighteen point two billion for nasa for nist the bill provides seven hundred eighty one point one million no is recommend four four point six the subcommittee recommendation continues to provide resources consistency with the doubling path  f and nist in the competes act it also considers the science and research conducted that know and nasa as critical to the nation's science enterprise as that performed by n s f and miss and investments are cordingley recommended for law enforcement and other activities and for the department of justice the bill provides a total of twenty seven point seven billion dollars full funding of seven point nine for the f b i two billion for d e i and one point one billion for a t f for the bureau of prisons the bill provides six point two billion to address longstanding critical shortages in corrections staffing and education and drug treatment for the state and local law enforcement activities the bill provides a total of more than three point four billion dollars restoring in large part reductions proposed by the administration for programs funded through the office of violence against women the bill provides an increase of eleven million including a ten million dollar increase for stop formula grants and a one million dollar increase for sexual assault victims services i want to be clear that while the funding table in the report for the office of violence against women might appear to show a funding decrease that's only because the bill moves a number of programs to the office of justice programs which actually administers those programs so let me repeat this bill increases funding for the office of violence against women programs by eleven million dollars compared to fiscal year two thousand and nine the bill provides full funding of two hundred ninety eight million dollars for the cops hiring program combined with the one billion dollars provided in the program the recovery act this will put seven thousand new officers on the streets of american cities and if you'll remember and the recovery act and carried into this bill the restrictions with regard to compensation have been lifted in other areas within the justice department the bill provides three hundred twenty five million an increase of forty one million over fiscal year two thousand and nine for the adams walsh activities and other sex offender and child exploration exploitation prevention and enforcement programs with respect to border security the bill provides one point five billion a thirty percent increase over the fiscal year two thousand and nine level these funds will be used to address firearms and narcotics trafficking between the u s and mexico as well as cartel related violence in the border region and addition these funds will help address years of imbalance between the budgets of the department of justice and the department of homeland security providing resources needed to detain adjudicate and prosecute criminal allianz referred by the department of homeland security for a second chance act programs the bill includes a total of one hundred fourteen million dollars to develop and implement justice is increased investments in law enforcement and prosecution efforts in indian country for which the bill provides approximately one hundred and fifty five million dollars that's an increase of sixty five million above the fiscal year two thousand and nine level and the request the subcommittee heard really compelling evidence from a number of outside witnesses on the need for such investments for a scrap the president proposed to eliminate gap the bill includes three hundred million dollars with respect to the part of commerce four point six billion is slated for the national oceanic and atmospheric administration an increase of one hundred twenty five hundred twenty nine million above the president's request the subcommittee heard testimony that no research is not markedly different or less important than other science disciplines supported by n s f and this and there was little reason that no research activities not be considered in the context of the doubling path envisioned in the competes act these investments are critical as our nation is that which is a national climate service bill provides seven point four billion for census at the same level as the budget request for nasa the bill provides a total of eighteen point two billion dollars an increase of four hundred twenty one million over last year's level investments have been made in earth science to further the day kadal studies the recommendation however acknowledges that the administration has established a blue ribbon panel led by dr norman augustine to review the current vision for human spaceflight funds are provided in the bill to continue investments in human spaceflight at the same levels provided in two thousand and nine in the bill right now reductions from the budget requests should not be viewed as a diminished by support or the subcommittee support in nasa as human spaceflight activities rather it's a deferral and it's taken without prejudice it's a pause it's a time out of this period to allow the president to establish his vision for human space exploration and to commit to realistic other ways of looking at human spaceflight come back and then that budget request and we'll act on it deliberately the subcommittee looks forward to receiving the findings of the augustine panel on the recommendations of the administration i do believe that in order to avoid continuing cost increases and further delays in the initial operating capability of our nation's next generation of human spaceflight architecture to follow the shuttle successful and impressive run it's imperative that the administration and congress provide the necessary resources to meet the policy directive it's also important to note that the total funding contained in this bill for nasa is an increase of four hundred twenty men million over fiscal year two thousand and eleven and acted level moreover some one billion dollars was provided and the recovery act for nasa's activities these numbers clearly do not indicate any waning in support for the critical nature of nasa's work lastly the bill provides four hundred forty million dollars for legal services corporation appropriations for legal services corporation have increased by some nine hundred million dollars over the last couple of years which is indicative of the rising need for legal support for the poor particularly as mortgage fraud and the housing crisis imperil these valuable people vulnerable people and valuable the bill continues the existing limitations on the use of funds except lists the current restriction on attorney him responsive to the issues and concerns raised by members on this side of the aisle and i want to thank him publicly and personally for the commitment to this committee's tradition of bipartisanship and regular  and mike ringler and john moore tens of the minorities the chairman as described the details of many of the important increases to priority programs that all members are probably likely to support throughout our hearing schedule though we heard about urgent funny requirements however i personally believe we could have met the most urgent needs by prioritizing with the lower allocation the allocation given to this subcommittee is sixty four point four billion wh point eight billion or eleven point seven above two thousand and nine and one hundred ninety seven million below the president's request this generous allocation allows virtually every agency and account in the bill a significant increase and i believe is more than sufficient to address the high priority needs in a satisfactory way the size of the allocation has allowed the committee to avoid making some tough choices but necessary decisions maintain fiscal discipline this level of spending though is unsustainable in light of the growing deficit so i'm going to offer not to this bill but to the financial services bill the same number that i've offered be for david  walker the former head of the g a o said there is an economic tsunami ready to wipe our country out and with one point eight trillion deficit this year trillions for as far as the eye can see fifty six trillion along with the unrequested one billion in the stimulus so you see there's certainly no once you come in and say census is having a problem then even ask for the one billion and they have that now also on the co the bill funds important for us more work with regard to china and bureau of industry and security programs for dual use controls in response to cyber espionage threats the bill also includes important increases for innovation state and local law enforcement counts including three hundred million for the state criminal assistance program what's the president and all presidents not just this president but all presidents have proposed to a limit and all congresses not just this congress but all congresses have read story this represents a reduction of one hundred million from the f y o nine eleven i understand we may have in a memo today to address that the cost incurred by local jurisdictions to incarcerate undocumented criminal aliens to rise putting enormous pressure on state and local but despite this gap the bill includes three hundred forty six million increase long force along the southwest border fighting drug and gun trafficking and meeting the growing detention and judicial security needs i commend the chairman for his initiative to provide an increased funding for prisoner reentry programs at the best practices for states to apply with regard to this issue the bill funds nasa point two billion but phrases funding at the current levels for exploration activities penney's a blue ribbon  future operations many members and i put myself in that category are deeply concerned that this might be could be interpreted as a weakening of congressional support for space exploration also the impact on the job  the u s leadership role in human spaceflight we have ninety five thousand engineers working in our space program china today has two hundred thousand and we are literally no longer  number one nation this is very important we deal with this bill includes an increase of six point nine for the national science foundation with an either or even larger percentage increase for basic scientific research grants this represents an important continue investment in innovation and competitiveness finally on the issue of guantanamo detainees i do not believe they should be released in the united states last night i took a special order out of about an hour laying out who these people are there is the old simon and garfunkel song the boxer that was central park where it says man here what he wants to hear and here in the united states just department was poised to release some detainees in the u s community earlier last month when we had to mark up a supplemental we later found out that of friday afternoon when congress was gone most of the media was gone in this town was wrapping up they were ready to fly these guys out of once on a boat and release them here in the united states i do not think detainees should be transferred here for prosecution or detention unless and until the president presents and justifies a plan that congress can review in advance that plans cost and  he died in that in iraq the bombing was brought here to the united states this high threat to our will likely take many months many years and involved intensive security measures in new york city i guess the question is or i would ask the members from the new york city area has any members been consulted about the planning the security measures taken in connection with this with this transfer in the special order last night we talked about the jailbreak problems we talked about a whole history of some of those problems had the language in this building or foreseen ministration would have had a similar plan for two months in advance so that congress and the american people could be aware of the legal rationale the cost and the risk of making such a transfer transferring detainees abroad also carries risk as the department of defense to expect him out one out of seven of the low security not medium security risk not high security risk but low security this one out of seven retain return back into the field which reagan being documented back  department of defense has documented the extraordinary numbers those of those released to return to terrorism or violence i consider offering an amendment today to further refine the language in the bill because i feel so goes a long way toward meeting my concerns and quite frankly the concerns of other members of both both political parties this was voted on in the senators and ninety to six votes in the senate the bill before us today does not provide the sixty million requested by the department of justice for costs related to closing guantanamo it bans any releases of detainees into the united states in f y two thousand and ten it includes language restricting funds for transfers to the u s unless rate i believe this language is a strong signal that the congress and the american people demand a clear plan on how the administration how the justice department protect american communities and the safety sense is that these trials when one ton of those close will have to be held in a very rural area perhaps on a military base far away from major population centers and keep in mind that whatever we do here remain concerned about the outcome of a supplement on this issue and frankly i'm concerned that the white house weakening of the language in this move forward for now i support the language and i'm grateful to the to the chairman that he's included but i would simply point out that there are twenty five programs that are eliminated or below last year's level point three billion dollars in reductions and there much appreciate their almost nonpartizan approach to the issues in this bill that the chairman pointed out that there are a number of programs that have been flat funded or reduced in funding nonetheless the bill is just shy of a twelve percent increase as we go forward and we  l recognize that well beyond inflation levels and indeed they're spending money solves problems most of our bills reflect and of that commitment i'm not going to beat one tunnel to death but i want to congratulate our colleague frank well for the wonderful work he's done in connection with this i'd urge the members appropriations members to have available to them the biographical information and background of those people who are from guantanamo or the people who are there who would seek asylum in the united states who are finding great difficulty finding other countries to to receive down and need their very dangerous people high percentage wise committed to killing americans so frank congratulations for that work and i appreciate the chairman's responsiveness as well overall this bill is an effort to move us back towards regular order it reflects the chairman's desire to move our schedule as quickly as possible and i appreciate that work as well  are there any other comments jim and i don't know if my comments are in the wrong time of the discussion i just want to call to the attention of the both the famine something i probably should have caught in committee in the to speak about something we've been doing lately in this committee in congress which is to treat the territories the american territories equally so i was wondering if it's too late to say that that should be amended to include puerto rico guam s islands northern mariana islands in other words no where under the american flag rather than just the continental u s and the district of columbia issue is one of the main reasons that the supplemental has been hung up for the last two weeks and is likely to be hung up for some time in the into the future under those circumstances i would think that it would be wise to try to resolve this issue once rather than having a number of different competing language that's a good prescription for tying up all of these bills which i don't think is in anybody's interest so you're suggesting is  that it should be done in the supplemental or not in this bill i'm suggesting that i think it makes sense to see how the supplemental turns out before we begin offering different varieties of language budget you have done a great job as chairman in supporting law enforcement and supporting the sciences and the national science foundation is much needed increases in here there's revolutionary work being done to the grant programs at n s f that  committee support for the manned space flight program and looking forward as you said to the results of the augustine panel and i know mr chairman that you will be there to help make sure that we maintain that america's leadership role in manned spaceflight because just imagin general meade at gettysburg had surrendered material or a little around top general we cannot surrender the high ground and we weren't allowed to stand the united states would lose the ability to go beyond as i said before i aspire to know as much about science as a gentleman as we appreciate his comments on that and his understanding of what the purposes are here with regard to nasa and i can't think of a good civil war metaphor maybe there's an explanation maybe it's something we can continue to work on i certainly hope so there is some vague language here that says that requests for programs of training technicians to work in industry made in more appropriate this as we move the bill and understand his concerns because obviously he does have insightful concerns and he's very much involved with the authorization as he indicates well i'm sure his insight clarified by the gentleman but our feeling was that perhaps that role significant part of it was as appropriately or maybe even more appropriately taken up by the department of  comments about bill natura the former chairman of the full committee in our very able chairman and ranking member now and i fully support this bill however i do wish to express a continuing concern and place it on the table as the bill move forward and perhaps additional work can be done to the current economic crisis that we are facing was precipitated by a profound sub prime mortgage meltdown and we are paying enormous amounts for their people who don't deserve to pay the american taxpayer for sure and then many families who've been harmed by what has happened i note in the bill that the f b i s request was met by the committee but let me say that there is a degree of proportionality here that i wonder even if the f b i has understood back during the late one nine hundred eighty s when we suffered through the savings and loan crisis that point the i had about five hundred full time equivalent employees dealing with that situation as i understand the numbers and perhaps i don't have the correct numbers even meeting the f b i s current requests today will give the f b i four hundred eighty positions to deal with the mind mental crisis that we are facing in terms of litigation and of in vesta geisha and everything from accounting fraud to control fraud to mortgage fraud to predatory lending to the current movement of dollars across this society let me just place a couple numbers on the table here both for freddie mac and can really say how much money has been given to them and what's been done with it but importantly who perpetrated this great set of tragedies on the american people i would like to hope that as the committee moves forward the subcommittee moves forward and as we work together on the upper haps on the floor perhaps the negotiations with the senate and additional increment of full time to close that investigators can be bided to the f b i i don't know what number the f b i for staff for justice and when it worked you on be what we ultimately receive but keep in mind that four hundred eighty frankly it's almost laughable in terms of the magnitude of what we are dealing with here so  the gentleman has produced a great bill done what they asked i don't know what happened when they went through all one b n everything else that goes on in the executive branch but in terms of the amount of public money and of transactions most of which were in the shadow banking world that we can't even see yet and the amount of sophistication it takes to even unwind derivatives from one company i would just strongly placed on the table the need for additional invest seven billion in this bill which is a nine point three percent increase over all nine and within those increases we have twenty we have twenty five million dollars for financial fraud but we'll be happy to take into account past ten days quoting several members of the house and in those stories those members say that they aren't opposed to earmarks but they believe that what's respect for profit entities that members should not be allowed to in effect award earmarks on the noncompetitive basis i want to read to the committee language which this committee just adopted in this amendment it says this bill contains eight point three billion dollars in grant funding awarded solely at the discretion of the administration and fifty seven million in funding requests by the president for specific projects in addition to placing one year moratorium on earmarks in appropriation bills and acted in two thousand and seven so the new rules could be put into place the committee has subsequently taken unprecedented action to increase transparency and reduce funding for earmarks this bill contains this bill continues to further reduce earmarks in two thousand and ten by three percent below two thousand and nine and and since two thousand and six the total funding earmarks have been reduced by fifty two percent i repeat that by fifty two percent this year earmark funding will equal one percent of the cost of the bill it should also be noted that under the policies adopted by the committee the use of member earmark awarded to for profit entities as a functional equivalent of no bid contracts is hereby ended in cases where the committee funds and earmarked designated for a for profit entity the committee includes legislative language requiring the executive branch to nonetheless issue a request for proposal that gives other entities an opportunity to apply and requires the agency to evaluate all bids received and make a decision based on merit this gives the original designee an opportunity to be brought to the attention of the agency but with the possibilit alternative energy may be selected to illustrate what that language means when the homeland security bill is brought to this committee there is there is a there  earmark in that bill but and it is for a for profit entity but it then contains the following language of which not more than eight hundred thousand dollars shall be for procurement of portable solar charging rechargeable battery systems to be awarded under full and open competition i think it's important for members of this committee to understand i think it's important for members of the house to understand and members of the press and the general public to understand that even in cases where the committee provides for a for profit earmark that in those cases the agency is here knows there is a strong network out at the pentagon and if you don't know somebody you are going to have one hell of a time busting through the bureaucracy to get in and to get the attention  of of anybody making these programs decisions what we do through this process which is a very major change from past practice what we do from now on is to really give that entity an opportunity to get noticed by the agency but it does not in any way guarantee that they're going to that they're going to actually get the funding because they have  to they have to award that item under full and open competition i just think it's important for us to understand that and to repeat it ten times a day because because every time the members a religious type organization down the road maybe we should consider that amendment would take one hundred million from the census bureau in order to restore funding for the state criminal alien assistance program otherwise known as to the fiscal two thousand and nine level of four hundred million dollars t county california only about seventeen percent of the reimbursement for the cost of incarcerating criminal aliens in this school year nine and although criminal illegal immigration is clearly the federal government's responsibility counties incur millions of dollars in reimburse expenses as a result of housing criminal aliens and certainly during these difficult economic times local governments are struggling to pay for budgeted an additional demand for services straining the system to the breaking point reimbursed expenses simply cannot go on met the g a o is determined more than one point seven billion dollars each year to incarcerate criminal aliens in congress and we are reimbursed about twenty percent of these expenditures over the last twenty years the census bureau has selected for the also it simply because the agency right now is flush with cash and subcommittee marpa the census bureau is seven will be available enough to reiterate my m m it would transfer one hundred million from the census bureau which is on track to have eight hundred ninety seven million left over from f y o nine will receive an additional four billion in f y ten to administration ever questioned funding for scab and i remember a number of years ago when we funded it we're having trouble getting the spending out for a scab that we worked with pardon justice and got them to start started spending the president didn't request and when we get an allocation of two hundred million dollars below the president's request to begin with and then we have state and local that i that i point out a while ago you really start in the hole with these programs  we thought we were really very forthcoming with three hundred million dollars so we don't stand up here opposing scap per se but advocating that we think three hundred million dollars is a lot of money under the difficult funding decisions are balanced and the dissenting census is one of the most important constitutional mandate that we have before us censuses had a lot of problems going back several years that were catching up on those problems and and the funding in this bill for census assures that we will go forward and have an accurate count out further reductions however in census really could danger a disproportionately hard to count population that's a problem and i think it makes it extremely unwise to transfer money from census gap so i oppose the amendment on both of those grounds it's really a difficult thing to think of cutting census a year before we're going to actually be engaged in the support for the amendment i'm a little i'm a little startled in view of the fact that there was indeed a billion dollars unsolicited in the stimulus for census i mean they are and we've had a billion dollars and a lot of programs that were unsolicited by the way a billion dollars to be well spent because i don't there have been undercounted in the past and this  see a little irony in the author's amendment in the first amendment was to decrease the population of undocumented workers at our national prisons and this is a amendment to increase the funding kilpatrick now mr kingston mr kingston a economic primer and i could have provided much more detail i have taught economics at newman university but i wanted to keep this very brief you see our economy could recover in ten years or could recover in ten  months germany our economy could recover in ten months or it could recover in ten years we're currently on a ten year path and i'm trying to change that you see our economy is very resilient because it's a free market economy and we will find ways to innovate and adapt but if it's slow like it is currently slowed and like the current funding plan is going to continue to make this withdrawal it will result in a position where we'll never fully recover and we will lose significant freedoms in our marketplace and in our lives now this doesn't only focus on division of the stimulus bill it's all the discretionary spending it does not include division b which is the medicare medicaid unemployment credits or tax credits and unemployment payments now if you voted for the stimulus bill  and you think that the economy has shown some signs of recovery then this is a good time for us to stop the spending because it's the damage that it will do by borrowing much money according to investors business daily we've only spent forty three billion so far and of the un obligated funds that are out there it's about six hundred fifty billion dollars or one obligated that that could potentially be saved through this legislation now bahrain is a problem gentleman from virginia mr wolfe told us about ireland dropping their bond status now united kingdom is on the verge of doing the same we're in line to do it as well and our current spending china no longer is buying our long term debt and because of that the federal reserve has gone out there and increased the money supply by the him to if you want to know what the technical term is by a trillion dollars now what that results in is inflation and inflation is going to drive up interest rates and when you add that to the unemployment that we have it's a very bad problem that we can avoid narconon is driven by perception that's evident in the stock market a seven product sales in evidence where we shop consumer confidence can boost our economy you can because they save and they spend and they invest but americans have been giving the stimulus borrowing and spending a vote of no confidence and history gives it a vote of no confidence i've included in your primer package a quote from secretary henry morgenthau who made it make one hundred thirty nine seventy years ago he said we are spending more than we ever spent before and it does not work i say after eight years of this administration we have just as much unemployment as when we started any more enormous debt to boot i've also included an article about the japanese last decade how they've done the very same plan that we're undertaking now and it caused their corporate profits to decline their stock price has declined they refer to as their last decade they had less than one percent growth rate a ten year plan for recovery that we can avoid now the legislation simply says on obligated sons will not be spent if you look at what's out there there's good reasons for us to withdraw money georgia for example two thirds of the money that they were allocated supports existing government programs that's not an expansion of our economy in mississippi only thirty percent is going for construction very little dedicated to expanding our economy you know we have  borrowing money that we don't have creates a problem and we can avoid that what we should be doing instead is strengthening the dollar and you do that by not bar as much money and withdrawing some of this projected spending we need to have a reform by allowing a cost based analysis of all the regulations that we have on the books and the ones that are being proposed that way we can avoid the five percent cost to our economy from growing regulations cost our gross domestic product about five percent we can we can minimize that we need to expand our trade with colombia with panama with south korea those are pending it's easy to do we also need lawsuit reform we've heard even today about how the legal community is holding back our economy  the problems that it's created and we certainly need energy independence because energy independence in america means more american jobs it means a stronger economy and it means it better national security this whole plan allows us to grow the economy from the ground up like it has historically worked has been proven by history so it's important that we move through this path of growing the economy from the ground up instead of the government down because that would put us on a ten month recovery plan and avoid the ten year recovery  the president has inherited an economic mess here if we're worried about repeating pan's experience with corporate profits going down and then stock prices going down the equity markets crashing that already happened that those are the defining economic conditions that created the mess so corporate profits are contrary we don't want to do that because early evidence shows those things are turning around that the financial markets are stabilizing is evidence to suggest that is evidence suggests that the equity markets are improving that we're are moving into a construction season a lot of the expenditures as a gentleman points out thirty three billion dollars have already had a good effect there six hundred fifty billion more a lot of that is in construction we're getting into the construction season this is really the wrong time to do this and why many of the funds may be obligated the funds have been put out for solicitation the funds have been put out for contract and this is a process that's going forward and every indication is that it's having positive results a lot of this depends on what philosophy you bring to the economy and and  at what point you feel the economy is turning around and what we inherited but just on the merits and the evidence that saying this is really the wrong thing to say that i think we as republicans would certainly admit we should admit that we spent the money and probably didn't handle all the regulatory issues the way we should have greatly disappointed in this they say for example not spotting the made up scandal just to give you one example i think we as republicans should shoulder the blame however i want to say at some point the majority party will have to quit blaming everything on the bush administration particularly since majority became the majority in two thousand and six it does appear that well we overspent this administration has now put it on turbo charge but i want to say that  we're thinking that the stimulus package has worked just in my three hundred forty five thousand new jobs were lost at what point will it kick in i want to quote from the article that mr t hart has passed out from investors daily that points out that the on the government web site recovery dot gov when the stimulus package was passed it said that it will save or create jobs immediately the white house economist said that  january that the unemployment rate would top out at eight percent nine point four percent now since the passage of the stimulus package we've lost a million and a half jobs alone and now the white house is talking about creating a jobs are but they haven't created any jobs why would they create a jobs are if they don't have any jobs so i think it is it's something that we need to take a step back and look at it and i'll just say this is a guy who was part of the leadership when this administration the bush administration took over i think we followed them blindly i think that's one reason why you guys won the majority is because we rubber stamp everything does but now it appears that you guys are doing the same thing and i'm not going to lecture you about that you want to listen anyhow and i'm not a position to do that i'll give it to you individually but but the  situation is i think it's time for us to always when we're spending seven hundred ninety billion dollars we should always look at it always even though it's been passed i don't think we should just check it off and done move on i think it's incumbent this is the herbert hoover memorial amendment we have seen economic policy before and it led the country to disaster in the thirty's and it would again i will readily grant  president obama inherited an economic situation which has turned out to be much worse than anyone thought and i would also readily grant that not very much of the stimulus package has been laid so far we all understood the understand was that probably less than forty percent of the money that was appropriated would be obligated in the first year this a two and a half year bill but the problem with this amendment is that it would kill the recovery in its crib we have a three trillion dollars hole in the economy at least that's what we're told by most experts that's the whole the we will see in consumer purchasing power over the next two and a half years unlike previous recessions we're not going to be led out of this recession as we usually are by automobiles and by housing because both of those sectors have been in shambles for a long time and that means that about the only other source of enhanced economic activity is stimulus by the federal government and that's what the president proposed that's what this that's what this committee produced and that's what the congress passed into law i would point out that the job situation frankly is far worse than the gentleman from georgia is talking about everybody talks blithely about how we lost seven hundred thousand jobs a month in in the three months  right after the election in fact we lost a million and a half full time jobs each month twice as bad because what was happening is  economy was falling so fast that not only were a lot of people losing their full time jobs but you also had a lot of other people moving from full time to part time and so the actual full time job l was twice as bad as as the official figures would seem to indicate in the last three months even though this last month we've only lost a little over three hundred thousand jobs in the me that i mean if you if you're comfortable with wiping out all of the remaining funds that would be spent on highways and bridges and airport construction in broadband if you're happy wiping out all of the jobs that would be created by providing the additional funds for sewer and water if you're happy to allow all of the scientists to be laid off by wiping out the ten billion dollars funding increase for the national institutes of health if you're happy with wiping out the increased funding we've provided for title one in for idea after we've told our localities for years we would finally meet the federal obligation with respect to that program if you're happy to wipe out all of the jobs that would be that would be wiped out by wiping out that funding by all means vote for this amendment but i don't think that's the way to economic prosperity the fact is that if you pass this amendment the end result will be that wall street and the bankers will have collected one hell of a lot and main street will have collected zilch i for one don't want to go on record as supporting that  why bush made you vote for the stimulus bill or present i don't know why bush made vice president biden tell where the fraidy hole was over at his mansion there but i don't think consider the bush is responsible for all of this i want to remind you that since  seven bush never got one of his budgets passed and every spending bill according to the constitution originates in this committee so i think you have to take some ownership in what's been going on in our economy and let's talk about how well it is doing we have here the big projection of what was going to happen with unemployment if we don't pass a stimulus bill and then but if we do pass it on this blue line by the way this is in your handout we're going to have this recovery and things are going look sweet well these red dots represent reality red represents reality nine point four percent this is well above the projected line this hasn't worked this is just symbolic of what's going on with the rest of it sometimes we have a convenient view of history this is not the hoover recovery act hoover actually spent abroad money delano roosevelt ran as a conservative and then he completely changed his philosophy with his new cabinet and borrowed money and we have a quote from one of his cabinet this tells you exactly how well this worked read it one more time after eight years this administration we have just as much unemployment as when we started we're headed towards misery index high unemployment high interest rates high inflation the misery index we can avoid that and get on the ten month plan to recovery if you'll start if you vote for this stop borrowing this