committee to solve this up police department a problem these temporary problems but at the same time working toward a permanent solution to keep the historic building preserve  preserved and adapted to another use or the way bill east asian whately fire station that was preserved and adapted to another use so we see that this building's theater may be similar to that if the police department indeed moves out of it so we look forward to working with the belief committee and oh i urge a yes vote on this measure tonight for that purpose thank you yes robert kennedy precinct three may be mary maybe emery can answer this or somebody else because the electric company is right next to the police station now over the summer break and so forth i'm pretty familiar with police station i'm not familiar with the electric company can somebody tell me how many people currently work in  substation which is the piece of that structure that's closest to the police department that is still functioning because we have lights on here and that will not be doing decommissioned i have to say every time we asked a question the answer is five years we've been hearing five years for the last five years but it will be decommissioned sometime around two thousand and twenty two is anybody studied in a long range then the combination of those two buildings for a used possibly police station or something else but it seems like a big piece of real estate to sit i don't want more than an awful lot of money to duplicate space i just wonder i never hear that mentioned in the you're now doing a design study and i just would it seemed logical to me that the combination of those two and the timing of that over a period of five years or ten years or whatever it is for the emergency renovation in addition to the existing structure it's not it doesn't have anything to do with the long term solution or the anything else that's going on that site but  study of the existing police station and its arrangement of pieces internally could be affected by of future expansion to the east into the electric company and even on a short term basis if that's even a possibility it should be taken into account on an initial short term study accurately is something that we're going to look at from this committee as we go forward we certainly are going to take a longer harder look at that whole parcel for many different possible purposes mike has indicated the historic nature we're looking to raise some money defer the cost of doing these two buildings so there's a lot of opportunity there and certainly we'll be taking a good look at the whole possible that drive takes a very deep as a very step a very steep drive there maybe a second story connection planned post the results to twenty three to thirteen more than two thirds obviously debate is terminated now we will vote on the motion itself this one requires a majority  so when the whole is open vote yes if you support  the record two twenty three in favor twelve opposed thank you very much one combat as emory mentioned i'm responsible for appointing the building committee under article the library trustees article five moves that the town vote to appropriate the sum of one hundred fifty thousand dollars to fund the schematic level design of the main library to facilitate fundraising efforts including expenses related to said design said some to be raised by transfer from the kennel insurance account and to authorize the town moderator to appoint a library building committee to oversee said design one of the components of this proposal is that the cost for the schematic to dine would be shared by equalling with the town and the belmont library foundation so with that up here people always will say you know do you need a new library we've shared these numbers with you before but they're so good they're with sharon again eleventh buster killian librarian the commonwealth of massachusetts we have gone people are using our library more than ever in my tenure on the board our numbers have gone up and every single category people are checking out a book they're using programs so when they're using the library is different so again beyond the traditional uses that you're used to for library books they're coming to a story hour they're coming to a concert they're participating in a blue book they are participating in a technology event so the library really is a community gathering place it's talked about as the library the living room of the community and it is truly a gathering place people are using it very differently so why are we in front of you tonight as you know in in the spring town meeting we brought forward the results of our feasibility study and the strong recommendation unanimous recommendation from that committee was to go forward with a new building similarly the board of trustees indoor it was shared with the selectmen be the mid the repairs that are needed to the existing facility are are still stand still we don't have a short term option available because we are at the point where the building is dies and infrastructure no longer meet our needs there is a report from a structural engineer that talks about from the top to the vent metal to the bottom every every from the roof to the walls to the floor we have issues with the current facility in spite of the great work that that the the town has invested in and in face left the infrastructure is was failing us additionally we've talked a night about growing enrollment in the schools and we're seeing that in the library in our numbers our children's unit and children's room is about the search the size that it should be we're faced also with the challenges with any investment any repairs that we have to make we are in danger of tripping the a requirement on the facility so really it's a question of what is it that we want to spend do we continue to spend on a facility that we know won't serve our needs and we're where we are faced with needing to replace that or do we go forward and that's really why we're in front of you tonight is to request that building committee to enable us to do fund raising and to be able to move on a path for i want to talk about fund raising so the first question that i have often heard is is it appropriate for us to do private fund raising for public building so i want to give you a little bit of background libraries really did start out in the early one nine hundred as gifts to the community and to carnegie gave forty five libraries in massachusetts sixteen hundred in the united states and twenty five hundred worldwide in belmont our entry carnegie was henry underwood he obviously we know gave the underwood pool for the children of belmont to have their own place he gave the library in memory of his parents william and esther underwood william was the original chair of the library trustees there was also a group of prominent citizens who purchased the remaining land around town hall and gave it for use of the n x that was built and for the library under way gave the building it was first dedicated library building he spent fifty thousand dollars to build it in one thousand two our library has its roots in private donations you look at the current building it was built by the town in  five but there were still private donations that made a significant impact there the stained glass was given by five donors landscaping by the garden club the belmont room which is now the claflin room which holds the historical records of the town was given by mr and mrs william claflin and the law library at the time which is now the flat room the meeting room was given by james watson flat our library has philanthropic roots and that's true all over the place so how much are we going to raise that's the next question that i get all the time i'm going to tell you that we're at the very beginning of this so we don't know yet we've been binge marking other towns lexington raised four point two million when they did their big renovation and most recently they raised nine hundred thousand for a redo of their team room wellesley raised four point six million conquered is a special case because their library is not owned by the town it was given and has always been part of a private library corporation so they're not eligible for public funds nevertheless they raised eight million dollars when they did their big renovation needham and watertown raised nothing that was not a part of their financing were britain is going right now they're planning on raising three million dollars although they also have a private endowment that is going to be contributing a librarian down that that will contribute four million well and has not yet announced on how much it will be so they are under way now as well that should give you an idea of what is typical but again we're at the beginning we're trying to figure out what is possible in belmont belmont's other big fund raising projects the beach street center raised one point one million dollars there were three large donations that were part of that and then a whole lot of other donations on the underwood pool raised four hundred sixty thousand and joey's park raised four hundred fifty thousand so looking at that and looking at some of the numbers that i gave you earlier you can tell that this is an order of magnitude larger than anything we have done before in belmont the breakdown of what we need to do if you were to get a thousand one hundred dollars donations that gets us one million so we can't do this alone on one hundred dollar donations we are going to need large donations five digits six digits seven would be great and that kind of donation takes time to cultivate it also takes real knowledge of what you're building if somebody is going to invest a large amount in a building or any project they want to know what you are really building what is the design and how much is it really going to cost this is advice that we got from lexington when they went and sat down with potential large donors they wanted to pour through the plans we can't do this without doing schematic design and doing the building committee to do that so we have a chicken and egg if we don't go forward with this we can't do the fundraising if we don't do the fund raising we ultimately can't go forward so that's what we're in what we're looking at is a real public private partnership for the library the public piece right now is the building committee and schematic design so that we can get the real design and the real cost the private piece is the belmont library foundation please come join us we'd love more people it is invigorated now that we are on this path the investment is large and we need to do this find a reason to make it work  thank you discussion under article moderator joel samuels town meeting member precinct six as a thirty nine year resident of belmont and an appointed community member of the library feasibility committee which concluded its work earlier this year i rise to support we're in article five to take the next step toward building a new library for belmont on its existing site during the feasibility process many well attended public forums were held by the library leadership to get public input into the process many town departments also had input into the process after careful consideration of the results of the feasibility study including the structural engineers report the feasibility committee recommended the new construction option for the nine hundred sixty five building and the committee's recommendation was indorsed by the library trustees tonight article five seeks a favorable vote on the next step toward building a new library this is the approval of establishment of a building committee to prepare a schematic design for the library to facilitate and commands a private fund raising effort by the belmont library foundation the cost of the design approximately three hundred thousand dollars would be split by the town from the town's kendell insurance fund your vote tonight and the belmont library foundation we all know that there are a number of important capital projects under consideration in town during the next few years i commend the major capital projects working group on the report on recommendations on how to address these projects as parents who took our children to the children's room watch them grow to love reading then use the up stairs library and become successful adults my wife marsh and i know the value of the belmont public library i understand our library does not meet current state building code requirements and is not accessible when you visit the library how many of you want to be under a roof structure which architects have found to be sagging and grossly under designed for current snow requirements scuse me over ten years ago town meeting was faced with a similar vote to approve the building committee and schematic design for the beach street center town meaning approved that step after several subsequent town meeting votes and a dead exclusion belmont voters approve the building which then was built with town funds and a committed and substantial private fund raising campaign by two nonprofit organizations the bellman elderly citizens incorporated and the friends of the belmont council an aging the beach streets and has become a highly successful addition to our senior community our town and the general public as ellen said perspective donors want to know what belmont is building and how much it will cost let's give the belmont library foundation the building committee and funding for a schematic design they need to support a fund raising campaign towards an excellent new building for the next few generations of belmont children teens and adults thank you very much meeting member precinct two and belmont library staff and i hope that being on the staff you don't look at my comments just totally biased as someone with a better than waiting a long time of the for library project for town projects the library is a while and they can really draw or private donations  thousand unique visitors into the building that's not people in the book drops into the building on on a daily basis so it is an incredibly what heavily used facility  and these votes seem to be always coming up and i don't see very much progress so it's a little bit frustrating from at least my perspective and perhaps those in attendance that have made these votes so i wanted how many votes of we actually done over the years it took a long time i've had time treasurer and he worked with either you in various people and it's an interesting number three hundred one thousand seven hundred twenty seven dollars and eighty five when it was ill is a state of the art i can appreciate that is that it has deteriorated i can appreciate the usage it gets and the value to the community but for another hundred fifty thousand dollars i have to ask what assurances i understand there's no guarantees but what assurances can you give me and perhaps those are voting to give you another hundred fifty thousand dollars so that this would actually come to fruition and perhaps not be relegated to the dustbin with all of the stacks of studies that have come before i don't mean to insult you i guess i'm trying to figure it out i see the partnership i see a new i see a new technique great new philosophy or a new tact being taken but you know there's a lot of old dusty players were open around so what can you speak to that sure  and just a couple points to three hundred two thousand dollars more necessary and they were foreign design specs some of which were associated with building programs there's one in there that was money spen to look at redoing the children's room which was about four or five years ago and it was about five hundred thousand dollar cost to redo the children's room at that time so but you're right we did town has spent money we have applied for grants i know that that came up that often comes up there has been in the past a grant from the mass for the library trustees there's a defined process by which you need to go through when you apply for a grant which for acquires you to usability schematic designed and operate by their rules the folks in the school committee could speak to this as well and so much of that money has been spent on applying for grants in the past we have been given money twice now once but twice by the massport of library trustees and twice that money was returned so so you're right there is that we have kicked this can down the road we have tried there's been community engagement now is the right time it needs to happen and we are faced with serious considerations with this building and it's the right money to spend ivor ellen schreiber precinct eight i wouldn't be standing here if i felt that we could get by for another ten years or twenty years and would be going to in this phase in would be taking it on the fact is that there are some very significant structural problems we're going to have to spend money one way or another if we spend if we spend money on these problems and if the amount we need to spend gets very large then we're going to have to spend a whole lot more money i feel like we need to be proactive and we need to address this before it gets to that point in the fund raising we will be working to try and explain this more thoroughly and in a way that the entire community can understand that is a big part of what we're going to be putting together over the course of the next six months but right now we need to get going well we've got a new trend here majority vote all those in favor of the motion press one high opposed to no for the record the motion per veils two hundred fifteen in favor twenty one oppose thank you we now all right on time we are turning very we'll be able to wrap up tonight article let me say mr roberts will read the substitute motion and i want to explain that this motion has been reviewed as this drama will say in a moment by the by law review committee it doesn't change the move that the town vote to amend chapter forty article three boards and commission appointed by the board of selectmen and chapter forty article two elected boards commissions and committees of the town of belmont general bylaws as follows one by deleting section forty three twenty planning board in its entirety and to by inserting a new section forty two thirty as follows end you will town election for a three year term so what range that as nearly an equal number of terms as possible shell expires each year a vacancy on the planning board occurring otherwise and by expiration of term shall be filled for the unexpired term by appointment in accordance with mass general laws chapter forty section eleven nothing in this section shall be construed to limit the authority of the board of selectmen pursuant to section seven point four point one of the zoning by law to appoint one  member to the planning board for the purposes set forth there in section b and the appointed member of the planning board holding office on the effective date this section shall be entitled to continue to hold office until the year  scheduled expiration of such members term but no later than the date of which the successor is elected and assumes office and section c in performance of its duties prescribed by law the planning board shell from time to thames bylaws regarding the selection of members of the planning board article six proposes to amend the town's bylaws to make our planning board popularly elected by the voters rather than appointed by the board of selectmen let me start out by saying that in and wayne and i all respect and appreciate the difficult job performed by the planning board and the long hours of unpaid work carried out by its members as is the case with all of our town's elected and appointed boards we're all in debt to the current and past members of the planning board for their dedication to the job and their devotion to the community this and man isn't about any particular incarnation or instantiation of the planning board it's really just a simple measure intended to make the months government work better in part by making a key body in the administration of our town accountable to the community in the way the currently it is just not so you see here i'm driving residents i can tell you honestly that there was tremendous enthusiasm out there among the people gathered signatures really over about a thirty six hour period and the typical reaction we got was yes so there's  dipankar in the community for a government that is accountable profession professional measured thoughtful and that taps into an represents the breadth of talent and expertise that belmont offers and that's really what this amendment is taking a start a small sound like a departure for belmont in fact it's a return belmont actually had an elected planning board from one nine hundred twenty two until nine hundred seventy two fifty years and if you can believe this they were elected to one year terms  so we're not we're not returning to that but we are returning to elected three year terms in keeping with the three year term said the planning board members currently served so on to our motion to eliminate section four three twenty from the part of our bylaws that is a board's committee and committees appointed by that are appointed and add a new section forty two thirty t the article two to article two which is boards commissions and committees that are elected and that's what you see kind of on the right in the the other is just the amendment is the language of the new section forty two thirty in article two and we tried in offering this really to stick pretty close to the existing bylaw language regarding planning board what we needed to add per the them by law review committee and thank you very much for the great for the help that you gave us it was was very helpful is some language just to manage the transition from added so it doesn't change or affect the town's purview or the will of the operation of planning or in any way it doesn't change how the board works it really just changes the means by which people which calls for in term appointments until the next election to be filled by the remainder planning board and the board of selectmen that might be a little different from the first earlier versions of the language or got sent out where it was purely  selectmen per the by law review committee it was suggested that we just harmonize this with mass general so it would be the remainder of the planning board and the board select men who would vote on an interim replacement that person would serve and of course they could stand for election themselves this would also be the case of belmont failed to elect somebody i'm so some folks were asking me what if nobody runs and the answer is that that would be appointed by the planning board and with that i am going to hand the microphone over to my co sponsor provide so this this measure brings brings the planning board in line with the other administrative boards in town and also brings us in line with the other towns in those six count of the other thirty three towns with governments like ours selectman and and town meeting thirty five of them have elected planning boards and those communities are well served by those elected boards and selectmen are are busy people and they naturally german appointments come to people they know and trust and and people they know interest but are a much larger town than that and the qualifications to serve on the planning board make it uniquely well suited to elections euro land use attorney if you're ever urban planning experience or architectural experience well that's something that would show up even on a short league of women voters blur i i trust the voters of the mind to see that and to let that process express our community consensus in what we way it's not going to prevent current or past members from planning board for being elected to planning so any current member of the planning board can stand for election just like all of us in this room have stood for election t plot at the risk of cursing this entire endeavor i'm going to say if you like your playing board you can keep them but i think for for the folks who might worry that the specter of a runaway planning board in other words it once you open it to elections you know we lose all control as a community i would actually argue just the opposite as wayne said this is really about allowing the voters a belmont to understand  applied for planning board what their ideas are what their visions are and what their qualifications are and leaving it to that population of three thousand five thousand six thousand voters to make the right decision and i think as we see with our school committee with our library with our selectmen with this body here when we allow the voters of elmont to do that they tend to make good choices when we open up these bodies to the to the breadth and depth of talent our community we get wonderful people to step forward and volunteer their time is you know and finally in just speaking to the argument that it's going to politicize the planning board that suddenly you know elected planning board members are going to start acting like you know politicians that we see in washington d c or even on beacon hill you know looking out only for their short term self interest again i would refer you to our other elected bodies where we do not see that type of behavior that's not generally the way politics works in belmont  these are unpaid volunteer positions people step up to do them because they care about and value this community the punishment for an unpopular vote is really that you get to volunteer less so that's not something that o you know i think that should you vote to approve this but we're going to see is a planning board that resembles our other elected boards our selectmen our library our school board our library board of trustees our  which are is staffed with qualified people with relevant backgrounds this is what we see in other elected planning boards and other towns like winchester like lexington like bedford and they will be accountable to the public and the public will be able to the reason we're here is that we have seen very good people submit their resumes who are professionally qualified and they've been submitted to the board of selectmen to be reviewed in order to be on the planning board they have been passed over and this has happened year after year after year and none of you know who they are because you don't we don't have any insight to that all of you sitting in this room you ran for election for a reason you ran because you saw that there was a need in belmont and you talked to your neighbors and you talked to your community and you knew that each of you had the power to change it and what you're going to hear from the opposition tonight is well we won't be able to get people to now we've got a full town meeting we have competitive elections you're all here you're passionate about this you do this for the sake of belmont don't think it's that hard they're going to tell you will people won't run and then that never probably now that i've stolen that all of you have run and we've all had competing races for town meaning they're going to say well higher positions won't run i ran for the housing authority and didn't spend any money didn't have a campaign did two post and i got elected so it's not as hard as you think you were elected by your constituents do you trust your constituents enough to elect a planning board member and to your constituents who are watching on television i want you to see how much your town meeting members think if you tonight when this passes thank you so much all right a word on before we turn over or discussion and first of the selectmen a word on sco this is not a discussion in any way shape or form about the past or current planning or their process erections last week i thought a lot about this issue and i think about them i see the goal of the of of anything like this as getting a qualified people on the planning board that's my only interest in all of this i think if we look at it as you try to think about what's the problem we're trying to fix and does this fix the problem how does making the planning board more political solve the problem of getting politics out of the planning board to sort of the question i've been wrestling with and i think that the answer to that is not to elect the planning board the i don't think it's also good idea in general i don't do this in my personal life as well to make big decisions when tensions are running high and i know this is there been a lot of feelings about the planning board over the last six six months or so and i don't know that this is the best time to start making major wholesale changes in structure when things are a been tense we also are in the process of planning board as you may have know is in the process of resetting we have four people on the planning board right now out of the six we discussed tonight the applicant applications that we received by the deadline last week we have on time we received fourteen applications of riches we were discussing tonight which is why we didn't vote tonight one because there were a lot of people and wanted to dig into it deeper into because when we meet before a town meeting we're not on t v because all the t v equipment is in here  wanted to make sure that that discussion was actually televised so that will be coming up i believe at our december fourth meeting the planning board needs to make difficult and often unpopular decisions i can say is an attorney who appears in front of these boards and other communities i've never had a project where there weren't a voters who are upset by a particular project the change in the neighborhood however it may be for the greater good of the town i get concerned that when you have an elected body making that kind of decision that a only board of appeals that they used to serve on this is the reason i think that we don't elect judges in the state even though most of the other states in the country do because i think the sometimes these types of decisions are such that you really need to sort of not get involved in  the political sphere with them it's interesting with the other towns do i guess i find that instructive sometimes i don't find it dispositive we do a lot of things differently with the municipal like department in all the other things that we elect and don't elect i don't particularly see that the belmont needs to particularly do what other people do i think we need to do what we want to do and what we feel is best for us i guess is harder to get good people to apply when they have to run for office as opposed to applying i mean you see that with the school committee when we've had openings in the school committee those vacancies there are like six or eight people who will send in a resume and when it's on the ballot you get one or two people to run i would i would hazard that these two spots on the plan board are trying to fill in now that you're not going to have fourteen people on the ballot i would imagine that a good number of those people many of whom i've already talked to who sent in the resumes are not going to run if this becomes an elected body and i will appoint them and they'll serve out their term and then the term would switch over to elected but they're not going to be on the ballot and i think that's a shame because i think it does reduce the number of people who can run also looking i think to get a very group of skills on the planning board i think you need land use attorneys you need planners you need architects and we have the opportunity now with these resumes that we have and as we've been doing to pick and make sure that all those skills are represented on the board when it's up for election you could get all or none of those skills it would be basically at the whoever decided to run and whoever the voters put in place i appreciate the good intentions in the work of the proponents here but it's got nothing to do with that i just can't get behind this  at this time in this fashion  financial review it's available publicly and i want to reference the executive summary or at least the conclusions that reached in the executive summary was signed by robert g noons deputy commissioner and director of municipal fares let me just executed and intra patrols are committed to the fact we recognize the town has had a long standing reputation as a well run community in this context we offer a few recommendations aimed at fine tuning overall and department al operations that being said we are nonetheless compelled to put forth comments on the structure of government in belmont it is entirely decentralized in a way that runs counter to proven organizational models for contemporary municipal in town mean action is touched on in the structure related polls what's approach has been piecemeal we see value in a more global inclusive approach it movement towards a more vertical organizational structure accordingly hello everybody ellen schreiber precinct a town meeting member i've thought about this one long and hard and i can't support it and i want to explain why first i should say i strongly value elections but not for this particular board have five reasons first and foremost in my experience people do not want to run for election for a significant fest if you look at the school committee whenever there is an appointed seat when someone has resigned in the last couple there were eight applicants there were four applicants for the elected seats it is hard to find a candidate to run i know i've done it and i've done it many times right now we have fourteen people who have put their names in i hear from some people that all of those people have been asked and many of them would run again i've heard the flip side that many of them would not run for election if that were the case the reason people don't want to run is that elections are very hard they are scary they are risky you're putting yourself out there you're asking for help from other people to help you campaign and you're asking for money from other people to help you campaign it is very expensive to run for office in school committee races in board of selectmen races people do raise money and in some cases they have to raise a lot of money there are long signs there are all kinds of expenses it's a lot of work to run for office if you're running for the board of selectmen it can be twenty to forty hours a week as you get close to the election for school committee it's less than that but there are still house parties and debates and things you have to write for the newspaper and going to meet people and canvassing and and fund raising it's a lot of work i guess i would ask the question is this really do the best way to find candidates and  hire candidates based on qualification number two in my experience incumbents tend to be reelected they are rarely opposed partly because it's a it's intimidating to run against an incumbent partly because people ask you what's wrong with the incumbent partly because people don't want to go negative these are our neighbors and commons rarely lose a seat it does happen but it's rare people tend to vote for the incumbent if you're not following what's going on in the election you tend to vote for the incumbent i get phone calls before every single election who who who should i vote for right everybody does not pay attention so i don't believe that elections are going to create the accountability that we're looking for number three i recommend that we have changes to the appointment process i think we need to absolutely choose based on skill sets and professional qualifications i think nobody would disagree with that i think we need to maintain a balance and i don't know that an election would if we need a land use attorney and we have a plan or reading the plan or wins perhaps but the board of selectmen can look at the balance and say you know what we need this this time and we need that the next time i do think the board of selectmen should interview candidates for certain positions i agree it's much easier to vote for somebody or or choose somebody that you know for that reason i think it's really important to talk to candidates for certain jobs you're not going to interview candidates for every single board but that would be my recommendation number four we all want to good planning board i don't think we can assume though that in other towns just because people are elected means that they have a great planning board i think some people do some people don't elected you can have good people appointed you can have good people elected you can have people appointed you can have bad people i don't think that elections are a panacea finally i think the planning board does have to make difficult decisions and they need their independence i don't think we're always going to agree we can't make everyone happy but i don't think their decisions should be influenced by upcoming elections so in summary i think that the board of election is best able to appoint a balanced effective professional independent planning board i do think we need some reform of the process i think that's underway the board of selectmen passed a set of rules for the appointment process a few months ago i think we need to let time give it time and see how it works i don't think we're in a rush i think we can take some steps see what happens and then revisit it later if we need to thank problems than it solves when i found out about the openings on the planning board i attempted to recruit qualified candidates with experience in zoning lot of in planning architecture i am thrilled that you have fourteen applicants none of those are people i tried to recruit who tell meeting in the last few years in terms of our votes related to planning board i'm in particular when we did the downs owning there were a lot of concerns expressed about design elements that we did pass and then  now assuming i was caught everything we want to make this key body accountable we want to take advantage of the full breadth of experience we have available in the town and we talked about competitive elections which i'll address first stop maybe it'll change this time around but i've been through three elections for town meeting and i've yet to be in a competitive election so i haven't had to do anything other than get a few cities so so point one accountability the selectmen our  elected repair our representative if that is in that space we're electing people who we believe will make good decisions for our town the way they're held accountable is if we don't like the decisions they're making we can let you set up and i think we've shown in the past that we're able to do that told record experience they have fourteen and fourteen resumes on hand i know i've submitted my resume for various of various committees so i think they had they at least have the opportunity to see all that and i don't business and i've seen significant progress so again i don't see at this point why we need to to make significant changes and i guess that's about it thanks mike marriages respond no i don't want to debate mr roberts in other words you can't go back and forth every time you agree disagree this is an open discussion with the i mean if there's some question we ask them requiring factual yes but not a debate mr cro important things and they serve us well the planning board is an important institution much like our selectmen much like our time moderator much like our library board and and all of the other offices that are elected and i think that people are capable of presenting their qualifications to us and we can judge rattle's elections are a good thing sunlight generally more involvement is a good thing i think that by making that clear to people by making it so that people leaflet they put faith in the town but the faith in the plan board put their faith in everything is a big deal and you can see where in more many signatures one would have to get in order to run for town wide office i've only run in precinct six and what would the financial reporting requirements be if you did raise money so this would be a burden that wouldn't be faced if there in belmont requires fifty certified cygnets as a town meeting member requires twenty five on they can be from anywhere in the town and all of our our town white boards require and the second question you had which was about campaign finance reporting we do require based on the state law they have to every candidate who's raising money and asking for collecting any kind of money or anyone who is a public employee has to create a committee and report to the town clerk saw through the courts office and we posted online eight days before the election and thirty days after the election and then once every year in january so how many reports would that be three typically in an election year ok can i get a question in one point five or two point five are the ethical or acquirements the same for an elected planning board member as opposed to an appointed planning member under chapter two sixty eight a which we've all recently taken the test for again  member of the board of trustees and while i respect greatly very many of the people who spoken today both for and against this motion i don't feel that the requirements of running for office would deter the best candidates as we've learned to do for choirs fifty signatures instead of twenty five or ten white office you are required to file a campaign finance committee library the board of selectmen are all great investments of people's time and energy and i think that the people who would be willing to put that time in are also willing to campaign and put their ideas out there the campaign season is relatively short and it's not that large of a burden and i think we it's something that we should expect from someone who is going  the decisions made by the board of them i think that we should allow the voters to have a direct voice it would certainly help them providing more support in the future i think for the  favor of this motion and every argument i've heard just about every argument to me suggests that there's something wrong with the electoral process and the way people per dissipate in that and i just flatly disagree i think that if we're worried about not getting the right mix of talent on the planning board the voters have the capacity to figure that out and if there aren't enough people to run then the the board still has the authority to appoint as they see fit so i see this as a really incredibly low risk proposition and i have also agree this is the first position that i am this is my first elected position i have been appointed and now i have been i've been appointed on a committee and i've been elected to this and i will agree with the previous speaker that if you have the energy and the commitment to run for office and that energy and that commitment see you through to the job that you're going to do and the seriousness with which you will take your elected because it's very different from an appointed position i've been appointed i took that very seriously as well but the fact that this is yes if you want to terminate debate no  display the total vote is one eighty four in favor of terminating forty four opposed obviously more than two thirds so the motion carrick's we now turn to the motion the main motion only motion under article six which proposes to go to an elected planning board those in favor voted yes those opposed retaining the present appointed arrangement vote no