that i think the difference is you know if i call the swing county clerk and they tell me i have till next friday to pay when i actually only had till this friday to pay you know what time next friday comes around the cac bar actually paid some subsequent taxes and in one case a few hours before the property owner did well when that the property owner also pay those taxes on the same day or when he got the well in past cases that they have not allowed that i guess because you know the tax code its purpose is to generate revenue for the packing district so they have to have an incentive relies on that to their detriment with time passes you know i think in that case approval to apply because they i think still that's that's the main thing and in this case there was her from reading with the you know the other the other main cases there's the financial case which is very similar but the property owner didn't make didn't rely on information they they also make the argument it would be inevitable for my client you get a taxi because they paid all the taxes after the fact which i cited case in my as is in some way do not follow proper procedure that that's not the issues here they eat that middle east did not redeem the property within the statutory time  petition they filed with the sling county circuit clerk allege that they didn't have received this notice that this is street takes care of those kind of matters for the family  well that was a lady who between the time that she got the notice in got that impression and before the hearing date she did get ready to go to the courthouse to pay the here in they told her your time is already passed that's when they contacted me and that this was before the hearing date so and we filed in fact filed our petition for an extension of time prior to the hearing that part prior to mistreats i said i think all that stands for is that was another case where the taxpayer was claiming that there had been an error on the part of the county clerk when in fact of the court decided was the taxpayer was not misled by the key issues we are presented with are whether the court had power to extend the statutory period of redemption under general ethical principles and if so whether the facts of this case work such an extension or guy presents to answer both questions was the right and just decision it should not be overturned and that was not abuse of discretion that it was in keeping with the general ethical principles and that the law should be clarified to to i guess to make that clear that there are other grounds that can be used to extend the period we give to other than just the eco considerations when taxpayers may fall prey to the complexities of attacking the system and that's where he stops it goes on to say particularly with respect to their reliance upon the conduct of vice and guidance of appropriate also have a long history applies if you have a wrong use information partly by the card clerk and the property owner relies on that document and they say strictly in these cases they there's a bunch of cases like because there was no room in your statement you have no other option but to use the court's equable hours i mean will what else do you have the time is past you can't go hey it is already past but in this case there was no where they got the notice in may