wonderful well welcome thank you so much for your why i'm taking interest in serving our community and being on our commission we definitely mean people ready to work i  i don't want to leave anybody out  ten and the reason i say that is because there is a lot of information in there in the cards to this particular topic so far but we'd love to hear why it has been going on th what specifically you want to discuss as it pertains to the vehicle use policy and where we've gone up into this way so i think if we go through this presentation in my answer some of your questions and it might prepare us for the questions to  but hopefully it will shed some light on what we've done up until this point and some background as to how we got to this place what what really drove us and as was mentioned by the chair policy was identified as being relatively weak that it was possibly some inconsistency is with regards to the creation of the vehicle use follow suit and that we needed to work on identifying and bringing forth some very clear guidelines procedures and the way that we collect data that's used to essentially drive the policy and the recommendation will clearly was to improve the oversight and develop a stronger there addressed properly we convened a group of individuals whom a lot of background in terms of developing policies and procedures as well as some experience in dealing with other departments to review the report's findings conduct an analysis of the fleet we actually went out and did a physical count of vehicles that are in the fleet to make sure to pay for what we had is what was on paper basically and in addition to that we looked at  best practices in the industry to see what other other municipalities and others as well as priorities were doing a year for use false economy managing credit and let's try to incorporate that and we did and we had tremendous support from the marathon as we're going down this path and we ran into some challenges if you want to call it but nothing that we couldn't overcome in terms of working with the partners to get through it so we did all this work we developed this really great robust policy and we  address i think it addresses every single issue that was brought forward by by the commission and then some to get put into place some very specific policies and procedures and guidelines for the pharmacy follow on the way that they use their vehicles exaggerate they're not cheap and not only for acquisition but even for ongoing maintenance and as well as fuel consumption we also are looking at reliability and safety these are safety is a big issue for us we have twenty six hundred employees there are you know located on three different islands putting districts which are almost essentially islands unto themselves like holland as an example i mean yes it is on maui but there you go it's very difficult to be driving vehicles back and forth so these are some of the challenges that we had and we want to make sure that we address them you know equally and each was taken at the same level informs we wanted to make sure that we had a uniform process so that whether you were in you know the public works department or whether you were how do you know concerns policy that was being applied was uniform across those departments as well as we wanted to try to bring more centralized authority over fleet management whereas before it was kind of pushed down to the departments and that's why you had all of the policies interpreted in different ways in different departments so try to bring that back by bringing it under the foreign management and taking control of this and acting as kind of  agency for the purposes and we did establish categories of use and we've made it we took away the subject to video as much as possible in the way that we approved the use of vehicles in these different types of characters so in other words in the past we flew very little in the way that departments were being assigned work were assigning vehicles to their employees and allowing them to use taken vehicles as an example and so we really through our to our process tightened down on that and changed the way that departments were allowing vehicles to be used if you look at some of the statistics in the data that presented here currently as it stands there are seven hundred vehicles that are covered by the current policy seventy two of those vehicles have been approved speed and taken to be able to other words the employee actually has a goal you take that vehicle home and there's reasons for the departments being able to have those vehicles has to take on those employees being able to have those vehicles mystical they may have specific duties in terms of an emergency situation like of like watery civil defense or   partment as an example where they have to be dispassionate or if you know the emergency situations where you've got a water main break or somebody it's a fire hydrant and you know the really millions of gallons of thousands of gallons of water you know are being wasted in the streets and maybe in danger so but what's interesting is where we were before with table vehicles we are one hundred sixty five taken vehicles prior to implementation of the policy so you know we reduced our take  home alarm that i use on a regular consistent basis i use my own personal vehicle but in order to do that i have to certify that my vehicle is legal and safe so i need to make sure that i go to this process with the county that it's got insurance that it's got a safety check that is properly registered and that i have provided my driver's license so that you can see that i you know am in fact legally capable of driving that my own person here who are doing that a pass there's no accountability this is where that kind of comes into play and so annually we we go through these and we have to review them and then approve them from our office and then you're reimbursed one of my education can be anybody can be i don't mean personally i don't and you know in the past you know maybe it's he was a little bit more liberal in terms of access to these vehicles and so now you know employees are taking it upon themselves to use their own personal vehicles which is actually helping ourselves you know by reducing the  the cost and the impact on those vehicles there are ninety four vehicles that have specifically been assigned to employees so these might be specialized vehicles that you know as an example you might have  was just a pipe fitter right somebody that has tools and equipment in their vehicles and trucks you know and they need to be able to how to access to a vehicle it's not a take on the person but it is in the department and is assigned to that specific person but in order to be assigned you have to go through a very small there's a worksheet that prosy up policy or guideline worksheet that you have to go through in order to be approved to have that site that didn't exist before it was just kind of like well the supervisor say well you know i gave this is your car you know and that was very loose and you know we just didn't feel that that was the appropriate way should be should be very objective in the way th the ability to use a vehicle they've gone through a process where they've been certified to use those vehicles through completing certain forms of submitting certain permissions right now as it stands all departments are compl position descriptions required of a driver's license right i don't think there's any job in the county doesn't require you to have a driver's license that could be wrong but i mean you know most most jobs ninety eight percent of logged three point one million miles from our county assets and we were able to actually collect that data before we didn't have that information readily available to us but now now we do have that now we can use that for you know different types of applications you know to determine whether or not we are doing what we should be doing in the most efficient manner right in terms of the way the work we're handling our jobs our tasks we did conduct three hundred seventy three thousand trips trips fleet which will bring it up to five hundred sixty four units and we anticipate our annual budget being about one hundred sixty thousand dollars for this particular tool i'm very sorry i'm not sure you can yes ok i want to say it's a little over all right so in the past we really didn't have a tool to determine whether or not a push like as an example should be where they're supposed to be a misuse right so we don't have that now we have a tool that allows us to set up and you'll see if you're ok really this is a tool for supervisors and departments to use we don't want to dictate how they're using what we want to do is give them a tool and say this is how you can use it to do better manage your operations and that's really what this tool allows us to do is does things exactly like was what the commission above mentioned and that is set up alerts when a vehicle goes over the speed limit so as an example we have teared alerts we have a sixty five mile an hour alert and we have a police over seventy mile an hour alert so those triggers actually send immediately e mails to the supervisors and those supervisors then can take the appropriate disciplinary action to find out what's going on why would you speak with a situation you know potentially counsel the employee you know on that particular situation worse before we didn't have that you know we didn't have the ability or the other great thing about this jeep g p s is that we've gotten calls hey so we saw a county car was parked you know handicap zone area you know and i just want to report that ok sir what where was this located what time was a you know they give us that information we can actually go back and see through th that vehicle actually in that location for one thing and then almost down to you know i can't remember what it was one meter or three meter but you know i mean we can get in pretty detail in terms of where that vehicle actually stopped and see that and determine whether or not that employee was possibly parked in that handicap it also and then obviously council employees you know if it does occur and as well as we've been speeding reports you know people calling us how this was you know driving ninety five miles an hour in the off the road you know we can go back and look and say see whether or not the vehicle was in fact speeding at that time so from an accountability standpoint gives us a lot of reach i actually in my experience the kind of vehicles they're driving too slow interesting information yeah and as you can see we're you know we do have there's actually a number of reports that supervisors can request and they can set them up for weekly or monthly yearly however they want to receive those reports on their vehicle right so and they can actually group their vehicles which is an amazing tool that we just didn't have access to in the past but we rolled it out thanks to really thanks to this group and thanks to the council of america for you know allowing us to do it it's giving us a great tool and you can see some of the first quarter statistics just comparing first quarter fifteen which were fourteen and you know we're acquisitions that we've been pretty austere in terms of our replacement vehicles you can see that for fiscal year thirteen and fourteen really only four vehicles were placed in the fleet sixty the school year fifteen we did replace sixteen vehicles but the majority of those vehicles were specialized so they were you know f one fifty s or two fifty's you know with the specialized boxes on the back you know for tools and equipment and things like that so those vehicles kind of get a lot of mileage put on them and they and but the days come a come when we're going to have to replace chunks you know of vehicles and we're just not sure where that is you know the pipeline at this point in time we've only been collecting this data now for two years two or three years now  and it's we're hoping that it's going to be able to tell us a lot the great thing about the other thing i didn't mention about the c p s is it sends all the codes to our public works department so you know you've got that there's already seaport that they have  so they can see is this vehicle this hundred thousand mile be able with ten years on it plus is it giving us a lot of problems how many times have been in the shop you know and how many ever you know codes have we received and you know is it getting worse helps a lot but just some i just wanted to throw in some information about our fleet on the all this not specialized vehicle in our fleet is a nine hundred ninety seven chevy astro van which you know the  continues to use on a regular basis quote just an idea of some of the age of the vehicles our fleet gets there all some of them but they still work and we do a great job keeping those things in the fleet but the average age of our fleet currently is ten years so like you mentioned we have we do have to replace that we are going to have to do it on a regular basis and the one vehicle in our fleet with the most mileage is this two thousand one works for two hundred six thousand miles ford from this point and how we're trying to minimize the use or maximize the use of our police and that is the motor pool project and that's something that is you know really excited we're really excited about because we haven't done it in the past but what we've done what we did was  vehicles in the fleet that got low usage less i think a couple thousand miles a year and we identified those vehicles we pulled them from the departments we actually told the departments look we're not going to use these manage the motor pool and we implemented this really amazing system that now allows employees once they register to be able to basically rent if you will from the smaller pool so now departments have  ability rather than have their own vehicle they can go and use one of these kind of motor vehicles and they don't have to have that in their inventory any longer taking up the space or you know just being kind of a burden local organization our intent is to go through periodic we go through usage reports and decommission some of these older vehicles that they have so that we can lessen the size of our fleet is that because  currently no i mean in terms of renting the vehicle yes yes no we're kind of handling that right now so but because the department is going to the call well there's going to be maintenance costs obviously you know with the vehicles and the replacement cost but we're hoping that you know as we go through this process and we identify these low use vehicles would just add them to this and decommission the older ones that are in the smaller pool the task is also to push this more pool out to other areas in the county so as an example we have employees to go but a lot i know we have employees that go over to more but they need to have access to vehicles well this technology now allows us to place vehicles in strategic locations maybe at the airport or maybe up the harbor and just by using you know your heart your county badge this is all the use now right the signs are if i d tag on it so they just walk up to the car they're able to touch the car i pops the moment it opens up the the door locks the door gets him into the car and then i think they touch i don't actually use it but they actually touch another area in the car and it opens the glove box which then releases the key use the mean i'm using the term loosely because it's something that people can you know when you go you rent a car yeah that's basically what i'm hearing so it's not really a rental it's for their work oh right they're not renting it like everyone you know there are no much harder  trying to do here i mean real car companies have this wired right you know one other organizations are doing this with their motor pool and i thought gosh this is a great opportunity for a car goes another mile i mean being used you only use your car walk out of here and go and then leave it on the spot so i have to question three i have them fifteen there's fifteen vehicles for th but this was just this is it in like another state this type of program they maybe never you know other places but you know most large organizations have water pools never as far as like the technology or the car so based on that he and i were able to you know work on this and develop this this concept and roll it out and you know by pulling some of these vehicles out of the departments ultimately you know it's going to lead to  times you know whenever you rolling out new technology there are always you know bugs in the system and so they've been very responsive i'm going to address all of our concerns and issues and it was interesting is quite right so we did look at ok and they did have some technology that they were using but i'm fortunate the vendor that they use went out of business just recently in fact taken so now they have no business want to support that right in the us and they basically told them you need to look for somebody as you take intermittently used vehicles from the departments how big do you think it's going to get where finally all of the apartments are only using the vehicles that they use a lot that they need to keep control of how big is this going to get right so ultimately at the end of the why i don't have an i don't have a specific answer for you right in terms of us numbers right two hundred three hundred vehicles i don't have that because we're still kind of building right now so we're looking at usage this is something we just rolled out we're looking at uses with one hundred sixty three users that are signed up specifically for the system my big push is to plan out what is the usage right rate for those vehicles you know is it eighty percent duty or fifteen vehicles eighty percent used you know or is it ten percent right that's really going to determine how much of the using our vehicles right now and pushing them towards that you know towards the use of the waterfall we've got to make it more accessible for them so like  we have employees over one hundred thousand right now our goal is to try to push eight were developed a multiple of every there's a big grouping of employees right so that's probably the next site that we're looking at the challenge with that when those the parking structure so you've got this huge concrete parking structure that for what it's worth walk signals you know and everything else and kind of makes it a challenge but we're hoping we can get through that  ultimately you know we'd like to see and i don't i don't like putting specifics to it but we'd like to see a significant reduction in our size because we're pushing people towards this concept of pooling resources but the follow up questions ultimately you want these departments to be giving you an easier because you don't want to have to ask them say we want to take your underutilized radicals right so we have to sent advise in some way then giving you back the vehicles so we have to make it abundantly clear to these departments that it's in their best interest to give us back the vehicles that they're not using because up to this point you've told them you're not using these vehicles we take them very ok so on specific object of course yes if there are reasons why you know we say oh this vehicle hasn't gone over a thousand miles in the past year you're not using it that much we're going to use it for this motor pool have you asked the departments what kind of incentives would get them to give you back the vehicles that they're currently under utilised that's a great question and now we have but i will pose that question because i incentivize these departments to give you the vehicles backs and if the usage is essentially the same it's just they have to go to a parking structure to do it then everybody is happy with it right as long as you can find the optimal places for those kinds of and optimal size of your motor pool so i like the question i'm going to ask that question to the directors and find out you know what would be that incentive and ultimately you know from a budget perspective you know if we can help reduce some of those costs to be able to acquire one or two electric vehicles to add to that plea that they didn't pass it but you know we tried and hopefully will go back and try again next year for that because i believe that that is the i  think it's an appropriate direction to take these types of vehicles just in the long run and with a touch of here one island that actually makes a lot of sense to use their expertise their knowledge you know to help us and they have helped the county in many many ways by the way i mean with regards to these electric chargers that we have the targeting on sale so they're out there they're x they're accessible they're here let's use them all we can but don't we are looking at do see the value what we're doing we're seeing some benefits coming from the system there's different habits that are being encouraged you know most employees right positive habits in the way that they're using the vehicles  you know other types the types of uses that they're you know using those vehicles for this change to the culture the organizational culture when it comes to these particular asset show so they're not very fuel efficient right now we don't have that licked we're still working on that interface so far but that's kind of ultimately the goal is to tie that in and then it gives us please ultimate accountability mentioned that we do with regressive fuel consumption and efficiency we're we're very in tune with that because we don't want to have vehicles in our fleet that are just you know sucking up gas well when we did replace them with other types of vehicles like hybrids for electric bills and then just kind of are one of that you know that we are taking this very seriously and we do have one particular employee that's been assigned to this as part mentioned out of you know we want to expand our more pool that is the you know is to expand that and maybe we go look at what those incentives might be you know to encourage the departments to let go of some of those assets non special ice assets do they have the ability to choose the vehicle that they want and the answer is yes so they need an s u v and it's in that motor pool fleet they can reserve the su so they can if they need something that you know like let's say they're going that right that driving habit so if you see excessive idling or if you see by the way excessive idling is another report that we actually run so want to make we want to find out i mean is that car that just sitting there on  ten hours of heat why is it doing that right i mean it shouldn't be but you know we can see the habits and actually you know and that's where a time like this cultural change you know in terms of the way that these assets are handled and treated and utilized we witnessed that initially when we first started a lot of problems a lot of identified areas where they do have some you know counseling angle but now you see it you know it's gotten less and less and less and less and so i think from up from the from that standpoint we've been successful you know in changing those driving habits and in terms of the abstract great idea and i'm i'm just not sure one how to cooperate with the c p a like going forward but i do believe that personal services does require an outright be submitted with with their application if they're specifically being hired for a driving type job i don't know all of the other jobs but i know i'm pretty sure again probably ninety eight percent positive  have a tremendous amount of data that we're collecting not only on the vehicles but on the on our employees that are using the vehicles right so we're reviewing their driver's license you know it's expired i mean right now annually we're looking at these things were reviewing as an example if implemented in addition to that on our own per on our own county vehicles when an employee takes it out now they're required to go through a checklist they actually have to physically inspect that vehicle whereas before prior to this policy they did have to do that it wasn't part of it it was just kind of assumed that they would do it now they have to actually use a form and check things like the oil the transmission fluid the radiator fluid great to see if there's any cracks in the belts you know or you know in  liability you face as organizations so that's you aim to get everybody to build a culture of safety for you everybody understands the reason that i'm doing this checklist is for those reasons not just to check off a piece of paper and put it in a file but it's it takes a long time to build kind of the flip side is you collect this data management conundrums and you have to then it's a two way street you're the manager becomes or if there is an employee that is speeding if you have a manager know that you know pushback and our answers were exactly what you just said because we want to make sure that you know you have a safe vehicle that when you take that vehicle out on the road any issues that you've been able to identify a bit identified and it's not going on on the road if there's for possible so you know subject matter i take so definitely let you know but thank you for the information it's a lot and again i do advise the commissioners to take a look at the annual report there's a lot there too that government needed and it was the same subject matter in regards to renewable energy it was the subject matter that specifically commission to me as has experience with  energy to and it's a topic that i believe as well was in the two thousand and nine two thousand and ten cost the government report as well because spoke again commissioners take a look at that report itself there's estimated over a half a million dollars in savings of that two point two megawatts since you're an energy guy it produces three million three hundred fifty five kilowatt hours our facilities with our last alysa pace and we couldn't do all our facilities because of the inner connection problems there is some space on the grid so some of those projects they were put on hold are energy throughout and how's it going to work and stay close or is there anything written form and if so how often to evaluate it and you know it's there's a lot of movi understand so you know but you've got specific projects you want to implement correct whether it's kind o or whatever so in that interim do you guys have a list of projects that you're pursuing while you're waiting screamed and put them in the art heat the vendors came back you would be awarded a contract and we found out we couldn't put it on the field so we're still trying to find out for example we thought belonging to civic center would be that probably you like in arnold and forgiveness and correct me is to look at areas where we could implement renewable it's a service so maybe i should start with what i'm doing ok you know background company i'm not a facilities manager so i'm not i don't try to duplicate the water facilities managers to solve for example we have fantastic energy people especially in our water be part of wastewater environmental management yeah you know and they know more about the energy systems in the deal where they and i think i support them when i police in that instance and working with them as they were constructing their project so we already precisely did where road be built conduits are relieved here and so when we eventually do the p you'll be a tease i've seen so when department to have an interest to want to use the renewable energy they would come to you and seek assistance here often when it's needed so for example in the last what you do because that's what a lot of the schools do are those tax credits not enough to do that now because i know that we looked at that and how i'm a clue about having an individual actually paying for the example in the can we've invested in kind of the wind farms of course that has elapsed for the time that investment was only a five year after that that company who was i guess managing the counting or however they started to do this type of solar type of investing where you'll assist in purchasing for the group it was the hotel the association or however a severe stalemated still so i guess that's what you're asking some clients have put up one hundred thousand dollars solar system and i have a private school and i got a tax credit spec for that so i'm just saying that maybe a market i don't know what the minimum size project is i'm ultimately impact not just the county government but all repairs in the we can on both in terms of opportunities for self generation which may be our biggest opportunity  are doing the business model as i'm generating power i want to sell you but i want to be a transmission company not only a one company that's i mean i know that other states have gone through deregulation and they've separated generation prince mission but the system here is so small revisit that issue because now a competitive market may be viable and rather than gold dollars of regulation passed we need to cool down the facilitating competition what about a unity storage systems and especially twenty years from now i think they're going to be here ten years from now with the energy storage i think will be where fordable case is now where it's on the threshold that you see that this commission could look at in your level of expertise with the manage to help the town given the opportunities in various proceedings for public utilities and it seems as though most of those things are outside the direct scope is not controlled by the county directly so there you are really would be outside of our  i'm assuming every department is looking at it from there they're eating and where they are because it's kind of a two way street it's not just you looking at applebee's or where you could employ men we know their use of renewable energy  it's also the departments themselves are saying hey we could be you know we could use this or have this put this in our budget so that's why i asked that question that commissioner buddy had with budget do you have a budget and i don't know how the commission feels with regards to even considering this subject matter how much for a newborn there's a percentage of the total the power consumed by the vendor the lighting services fee that would be less than what we're currently paying molly electric right now for lighting services right now we don't own the street lights most electric those close to this it does and that's going to go up because that's what we're trying to get  more buildings if we can get it on the grid and ultimately to go beyond just our regular feed the fact we've already started going down this but to break elite the grid and get paid by ma electric to provide good service so we want to create this system where customer generators like hotels hospitals  we can afford battery systems because they can be a revenue generating resource for us in addition to just providing cost seed by reducing our  to maybe think about it from what kevin has given us i mean there's the lights in all these other potential areas every noble energy but the use of renewable energy and we can have a further discussion about it systemic changes if i'm successful all made by position obsolete health michael and people told me i'm crazy but i criticize government efforts by being so busy by banditti problems you can keep that would be great and so yes please keep bring that dept back with you right next item on the agenda is the annual report twenty four to twenty fifteen and report you all should have read the it's quite extensive i just want to express that in the palace what has occurred from my experience behind the commission is that the summaries and any type of potential information that will be in the exhibits are part of the report is generally provided through our to be updated but of course we did meet a few challenges last year regarding how the sunshine law works and it's in the overview i clued that in the overview because it is something that we're still going to have to take up again because we established big there were no longer subcommittees they were actually temporary investigative groups how these things are established how we can go along by disseminating information and getting recommendations or suggestions from others that are not sitting on the table i mean that was i would say in m bit painstaking because a lot of bit we have to wait that's the way it felt they have to come up to it before we could actually try to make any recommendations or really talk about i and by that point we were early ready months pass where that report should have been done so the overview here and i want to i want to so if there is there anything that any of you want to discuss or there shouldn't be because we basically approved it prior to the only thing that we gina and i are technical writer she's not here today but the only thing that was basically left for us is to basically go through a gate civets really everything really needed to align itself with minor come out of court errors or form match up so it was a constant battle with that but if there is no other discussion on it i'd like to move past that and is there anything that the commission together this is the problem so that looks minor varies from there like you know might be just double sided but when you start going through the exhibits as you can see there the county pl something but we will definitely before it's final stage put make sure yeah i just want to make sure that you are all in agreement on this report tape chair on this as well as our technical writer and looking down at our notes they take all was actually the name of the team its grants review process and we went back to i just want to let you know that the exhibits a lot of them is not something that's available on line these are actual documents that came from the department of housing and can be concerns or our budget director sandy b details as well as from my perspective it's what is what the cause the government commission encounters during the term so it would be issues that we have faced identifying some of these areas you will see that i have included where we are today with them what administration is doing with regards to that subject matters that because the government has looked  i'm going to i'm going to adamantly stand by it and the reason for this is because that is what we encountered during that term i mean if we encountered nothing in our be twenty sixteen and a report comes up and everything is roses then we will just put more of what she presses everything was roses there are the companies doing great this is so vitally important in my opinion that that's the absolute truth and i don't think that the commission would have survived i mean it was at its very last leg it would have went to the voters and unfortunately you know our stakeholders are the community lay people they are not fully aware of a lot of what most commissions and boards to do or the politics involved so i as well as requests for assistance of this commission would have to have out there to get the message out and even then it would be left up to the voters so i understand it is a sensitive subject  that we are tasked i think the government or should be transparent and if i get it included then i fighting for transparency you know i mean we are we are we are here for that and it's like hiding something i but i understand you know and it's a conversation that was discussed but i felt that was imparted not not just because of yeah i have to comments yes on the review the first is the transition from section four section five section for you it's stated i don't thank you for the commission for consideration yes i imagine that these are items that came before the commission that were not then investigated within th put some reason why they were not investigated and there why we chose not to create a tick for them you think that would be because i reckon i see it there i see that as meaning that it was something that we were asked to investigate or potentially assumed best to give and that i see nothing about why we passed on so if if we could put in even if it's a single statement we chose not to give us a bit further i think that would be fine but just to leave it as we saw this and then nothing about it ever again and the rest of the report should address to some degree why you chills not to pursue that investigate even if it's just a single sentence say we as a committee decided not to do this ok or this was just for information in and for that testimony in front of this committee for whatever you know fishing license i don't care whatever it is and then to go back to the port and see that it was there but never addressed beyond that i'd like to know why lived it was happening last year specifically when there was that radicals look at the course resolution let's let's keep it ok but i don't want to this is not the time or place so let's keep it as against case very good and i get it's not to minimize what you are suggesting i understand that but if i do that then i would have to go into a lot more detail i do have reservations to my own reservations about some of the subjects that we have we've had he said teachers about one specific thing i definitely wanted the commission to take a look at is the strategic plan this was part of the annual report of twenty thirteen twenty fourteen reason being is and i was part of that problem that reason for that is it is an ongoing living document and so it kind of got forgotten a little bit and it's really it's worth revisiting so that will probably be on the agenda as well i don't know if that will be an actual subject matter as a temporary investigative group as it may just be something we should just an agenda a location to revisit so but that we can go into further discussion about that as well i do advice that you do take a look at the press that government and you report two thousand and nine two thousand and ten the question that pertain to renewable energy the county vehicle use policy all of that without we're considering is in that report and it's pretty extensive i mean it's a pretty impressive report too so i would take a look at that as well and we can you know discuss other subject matters but keep in mind we do need to start forming our kicks my goal is that we are going to be doing  there's about forty binders that will be put together i will not be designating this time around at the invitation of going to the council members with this on our hands because of what we have encountered by putting this together it's just a growing pains that i have to experience leading this commission last year ninety percent of the commission was new and we were trying to get our feet wet if we carts to subcommittees temporary investigative groups and so forth so now that we're kind of past this or at least getting past this i'm cool being that in consideration for next month when we're all thing thinking about subject matters that tiggs good to know the involvement of the work that it entails and i'm going to just see this with as much kindness that you know a lot of the work was put upon myself and our technical writer but primarily you know you're looking at her and it shouldn't have been that way i'm ok so i really just respect for the would like for you to be furtive something like this when we're coming together and  about who's going to leave the tigs how the report's going to be done and the summaries and so forth ok so look thank you i just wanted to see that but i'm going to put this on agenda for next did communicate with her she was already communication with me and so i will be meeting with her again so that we didn't go over getting the more information or any of these for the sunshine law and so that we can progress with  given they're not necessarily a part of the cost of government website although i believe director budget director bob has said we could add them but that would just be relentless so i'm thinking could drive but