special reports there are none shock all right now were there opportunity for anybody in the audience would like to speak out a non agenda item has this opportunity to be able to stone broke that actually were using a hoover laying address which we confirmed that it's correct we were not aware of that and we are proposing that those two e a few days after we bought the house we came to my attention that a neighbor was one of my neighbors was using stone broke i called the township at that time and  whatever the post office says i contacted the post office and they said we're aware of it we don't care you could use either address your mail or get there and in fact for twenty nine years i've missed one pizza delivery and that's back when hoover lane was the old rugged road and i think the guy got stuck down the private plane and went up to the b house as recently as last fall and they had no trouble finding my house so i assume you're just a manger so i'm very content to have it one thirty t i've been there for twenty five years nine one one has never had a problem coming to my house they've been there more than five times i've given you a few examples i'm adamantly against changing my address if it was a simple thing where i just had one form of the post office that wouldn't be so bad but i don't think it's that simple just as a quick scribbles on my way here i was sitting i would have to change all of my bank accounts for both me and my two adult children my credit card statements my brokerage statements i would have to do a change of address with the internal revenue service with the p a department of revenue with keystone i would have to have our passports changed all of our driver's license would have to be changed the magazines in the catalogs and then i'm not sure how would be handled for the real estate taxes i'm not moving my lot is the same my plot numbers probably the same but somehow my addresses changed refinancing my house at the moment i think that would be a problem how long have you lived there twenty five years why has your address changed in the last month i'm not sure and utilities have you guys ever tried to change a utility i'm not sure how it would be handled i would have to close it completely potentially put another deposit down and start a whole new account i think that is a lot of work to go through when there is no eminent danger because i've had no problems with washington county nine hundred one i think that there are other alternatives rather than changing our street we could notify everybody on the hoover drive in hoover lane that if you do need to call nine one one please remember to distinctly tell them it's a lane or drive if nine one one is aware of this i'm sure they're operators could be trained to know that there are cajuns when there are duplicate names with the starting name but not the finishing name and i believe that these people are highly trained and they will not be easily confused by a plain and dry so i am adamantly against thank you thank so what is so hard about dr we're going i had the ambulance come to my arch twice with no problem and i just i don't understand what's what's so confusing about dr wayne it doesn't make sense to me what your i believe my mailbox is one twenty one and i'm not sure if it's used to say hoover but somebody blew it up a few years ago i don't think and i just add one other thing i didn't mention people who do not automatically update their g p s system if you change ours and they don't update that they're not going to find us and i think you're going to cause more confusion than there already seems to be do we first see any problems if nine one one has identified this as a problem and the residents feel there is no need to change does that in fact create we don't take action i suppose secondary to nine one one nine one one has alerted us that they feel there's an issue i'm trying to understand what the ramifications are after they've alerted  you the emergency services may have some confusion in the region you brought up i appreciate the concern about changing the address and i i understand that if there haven't been any problems so far it makes sense that there wouldn't be i happen to live on a street named one of them here in peter's and my mail and deliveries go to one in nottingham and we're not even connected so i don't know how things there is always the potential that they could and i just want you all to be comfortable with the idea that if it's left the way it is i mean you're taking your chances but again it's nine when one is already identified it as because if there was who were on one side i guess it started off one stone broke from the other side because there were two different plans in a man and i'm not sure when this happened it was probably some time and the sixt give me an address you do ok jeff crummy one seventy two bittersweet circle and i'm a member of the parks and rec board i'm giving the quarterly update for the first quarter of two thousand and thirteen the beginning of the year we held our our reorganization and our new chairperson for the year is mr dave wall and our vice chair person is mr pratt earhart and other positions were appointed as the necessary through our bylaws we also had a portion of our meeting with a former coach from the baseball association and the baseball association board members were at the meeting we were talking about the fact that the former coach was very unhappy that the baseball association decided that he was not allowed to manage a team for the year we listen to both sides gather all the information and at the end of the discussion the parks and rec board determined that the baseball association was operating properly and within their bylaws and guidelines and that they had every right to not allow the coach to not be a coach for the for the year we suggested to that individual that he continue to work with the baseball should to attempt to resolve and the differences that may exist between himself and the baseball sociate the parks and recreation director michel all arm all met with the cross country coach and the cross country boosters to find a new starting point for the cross country course in the park and as you know there was some discussion last year about starting it on the new turf field and we decided with the spikes that they weren't permitted to do that so they did find a new location the starting point will now be at the grasshopper field up at the top of the park and the maintenance department will do some modifications to make a little bit easier to come out of that field and they get on to the rest of the course so how much of a real difficult issue was this at the end of the day at the end of the removed thirty one he simply moved to pretty much what about five hundred yards of about that so it was a pretty natural that they were looking for was an open space that you could have a group of kids run grasshopper kind of fits that and it was coming right out and down the hill with one of their quirks so i don't think it would work i mean well yes we approved  boy scout projects this quarter the first project was to restore the message board picnic tables benches sign frames etc at the peters lake park so you'll see that work going on and the second project that we approved was for the construction of a bridge across the i'll call it a creek you might not even know that it exists but if you go off of the trail and you're heading up into the park there is the little thought chute that heads up towards the park and rec center and there's some water that lays down in there and is like a trench and actually that's part of the cross country course and when it rains it does get muddy down there and kids gonna get all muddy so a boy scout who is also on the cross country team  wants to build a bridge across there we look at that project we approve that project he told us that he didn't meet with the cross country coach and the boosters and they were also in favor of the building of the bridge so it should not impact the cross country people from the nuts that so on that on the docket we are also progressing with the installation of the fitness equipment on what will calling the fitness trail and if you have noticed some of the wooden stakes around parts of the trail that's where we will be installing fitness equipment and basically what this will be is as you're walking along that section of the trail you come upon a station you know to tell you to do fifteen sit ups twenty push ups so that's where the four roads that's where the stakes are correct right and what we're also doing is where the parks and rec made a school be doing is making sure that given whatever the activity is that there's enough of what we call fall area around there with material that would be appropriate should you know someone slipping up to hit the ground we don't want to hitting on asphalt when it was a very soon it's actually the cheerleading association and a parent that had provided the parks and rec department with a long list of concerns that she had regarding the operation of the cheerleading group a gain we met with the individual and the board members of the cheer association we heard all the concerns we addressed those issues with the cheerleading association and again we felt that the cheerleading association was operating within the guidelines of their byelaws we did address some of the safety issues that were brought to us and given the material that they presented to us that they used to train their coaches and to use through their season we felt that that was adequately covered we did make a few recommendations too for modification to their bylaws specifically around how they back fill positions so it should a board member resign or because that's next quarter and first quarter i have a question and it is not a quarterly report question but will the argument board be looking at the parking situation i know that we installed no parking signs along the main  the other day we were i was over at the softball field and parking in the coldest tack even when there's ample parking i swear mrs merrill you hit on one of my hot spots because i'm up there all the time my daughter play softball and it just drives me nuts we talk about that at every meeting and on the show meets with the police department regularly on that and it's just a matter of getting them up there in the start enforcing and doing the tagging but yet we put the signs up last year at the beginning of the season it seemed to help a little bit but this past weekend we were there were cars around the cul de sac that were part of park on that curb and when you have the games changing and you've got traffic coming in traffic coming out it's it's really it's it's awful it is awful so again yes we do talk about that and it's just a matter of getting the police up there to enforce it the other issue speak well especially with the soccer and that i mean that road is pretty narrow when you've got cars parked on both sides and i agree with you maybe we can work with them to get some sort of humps put in their traffic cone in the park to use the technical term yes because i will tell you i would i won't be surprised that a little soccer kid's going to get picked off here pretty soon because they come darting out from those cars and people come up around the those quarters kind of problem and it's it's a real it's almost a blind coming around that corner and it's very very tight as well so that's something that we will talk about it parks and rec but i think some sort of terms i have a question about the number nine i don't know whether or not it would be appropriate for the to be in the bylaws but there's a statement that says that  and rec director with township or park documentation is that something the list of that would that be in there over that be a process or procedure that's handed to the park to the sports association so that they're very clear about what's required and what frequency it needs to be updated we do have a set of policies and procedures that are handed to the association president and org occupation coordinator and all of our alliance meetings and then obviously anytime there's a change and board members through the associations and it is this if it has to when they need to submit and when they need to submit and they also we have so have a documentation list for each association that is in the parks and recreation board docket every month so as far as monitoring the compliance them every year it's looked at as to what's missing if the bylaws on updated if there's any changes if there's financial reports that are outstanding use your roads with our equipment to layer cables and geophones out we should our recording equipment actually listens to the energy that we we put into the or in the energy that will be put in the earth will be through the earth and they travel through the earth and back to the surface as they travel through the or that's what we use to map the subsurface of the earth in order to supply this data to go against companies to let them see exactly where be the best place to drill for gas which in this area this that's what they're looking at so what we would ask from you is to give us a permit to use your rows to do that dance or your question on where we just be working on the leases know there's lots of leases out here or maybe minerals that are at least our gas routes i should say that we also would owners everyone involved in included in the program that we would need necessary permits from so that process is the first of all is it which is that we go through and this process that we're in now once those permits what we do is locate all the roads the homes the water wells any kind of thing this on the surface of the ground that we need to respect with our energy we could all those fly all that information goes into a map in the township you're not being clear to explain it to the people who are listening out there and i certainly didn't understand that ok i hadn't gotten there yet but what we were talking about the part of it we get from you will be for the viber g s on your  truck couldn't go where there's nothing it could interfere with because you can't get a vibrator everywhere you need to get energy to map the subsurface so you have to in feel with something in this township road or state road right now so when you talk about mcclellan road i'm not i'm not lot if it was a perfect world where we could get our sources receivers exactly in a perfect world which is not for those who want you're going to end because he had taken consideration homes and all of  names are out here but the dots that you see on there now on the receive reports there are no source who wants all my add because we don't have the roads identified i would just want to put that we only want to if we can are our goal holes or secondary georget we would use to enfield any areas where we needed more energy in order to map the subsurface so the dots that you see all the receivers receiver is  geo phone and a recording box and it and these are passive devices it just actually listen and record the data that comes back to the service  theoretically be blocking the whole road be looking for shutting down roads to do that now we wouldn't be shown down roads we will have a traffic control group with which they will control the traffic these these machines only send one spot for a few seconds that's it it's a continuous moving situation they move in their trucks will be in groups of three in they'll sit down and they'll take an energy source and shake the ground and it'll last for a minute m we may have to use a road this very narrow we used to get a few sources in there but again when it comes to where we work and what you prefer that we did or didn't do something that we can you know are related to that and i may not have as much knowledge as some of the engineers on council but what is the likelihood of damage to people's property their homes or anything of that nature because some of the areas as they said that your proposing there are houses very close to the road they're not very big homes what kind of track record do you have or what kind of issues would you foresee as far as the homeowner we have good  well we do have a third third party company normally use a company called carbon seismic and they come out and they have guys who have monitors a little seismograph and what they do is they monitor the energy only home this close to work and they take and set of sound graph and they monitor exactly how much energy we're put in and that that structure is absorbing we never let it go above point three five got an actuator that kicks again and it does like this and it is starts at a frequency somewhere around ten hurts and shakes up to a frequency of about one hundred or so it starts at a low frequency anything that the closer we get in the less energy we can we will use as i say in our bromwich or is how much energy we're putting into structure and if something is we're not going to set up of a p twenty feet from  well if it's solid houses and there's no space in between them you're right but if you know if you have a house it's twenty feet from the road and then there's you know another hundred feet to the next house and then you could get a  structures in my sure that we've gotten out of room for our energy sources and we feel confident that we're not going to create any damage once we do that then we'll know oh exactly where we can put sources and besides but i want to or you why you think that but we don't go out and do any player with tractors or anything like that notion we don't do that in stores a t v s go up here in this part of the world we're in remote areas or real steep receivers down the road to the cemetery but we're not going to put vibrators in there we're not going to drill holes in there of course you know that just that just wouldn't make any sense at all so we don't do anything like that you is there a rule of thumb as far as how long a process like this takes how disruptive over what period of time the recording the recording part of this program which is actually what we're talking about today the preparation is going to take a few months the permeating the mapping the sort of that's going to take a few months the actual recording of this program will play about thirty five forty days is all it will take to do the entire say two weeks something like be needed to amend it if our case on act thirteen is up held still sections that would still need to be changed and that's what they're shown in here we've had a lot of drilling activity as everybody knows and some of the townships around us including seismic testing and and it it seems that particularly as we heard this evening there are many the area dwellings and and you know point three five is a good you know it's a very conservative number of the few who would regularly do that it would probably be fine but you know i think it's to our best interest to have so very elations regarding that i think that you know suits the regulations some some of the things that can be regulated you know our hours of operation and you know the requirements for bonding and requirements for you know safety personnel on on site you know the surveys of existing conditions of property and you know to two people that deal with this and you know or are responsible i think there's maybe you know like well gee why would you even be asking about that tafe items but they may not be to other people so i would very much like to see our staff put together where they would consider to be a reasonable  and i think that my concern is that if we don't do this now depending on the outcome of or more lawsuits we could end up with a gap in between the time a decision is made by the court and the time we put something in place where somebody could come in and do things that we don't want to happen so you know if we have a pending ordinance at least we get a somewhat defensi guess what i would like to see is for sure i agree with mr ball i think that the process is evolving and as we learn more and more about the potential impacts it's wise to be prepared and i agree with a proactive approach against the permanent injunction presumably ten still at two twenty seven sixty washington road i think this is kind of an annual semi semiannual process for for them i move that we we approve their of their then you know put in the application and the location would meet with our ordinance which would call for sort of not interfering with parking spaces or or around what were they going to put it they have it actually so it's already there it's on the for the base bid was four hundred sixty two thousand dollars and an alternate that we added was to do evening work and an additional twenty seven to the next l is r and b mechanical at four eighty seven and there is a letter in your doctor from r and b and a they were following objections to the fact that east west was a that one sixty next resolution amending the personnel manual establishing a look back period in compliance with the patient protection and affordable care act yes this is to address a requirement that that act that deals with identifying when employees are eligible for health care coverage under our personal rules and regulations you have to be at least a full time employee and working at least thirty five hours a week or if you're a policeman forty hours a week the affordable care act  identified least for purposes of being eligible for health care or floors of our size that that thirty hours is the cut off so what we need to do then and we would do this on an annual basis who do do a twelve month look back to see if anybody has averaged thirty hours they're part time employee hours thirty hours or more per year and so we're required to adopt an official look back period and we're proposing is a look back period  when lease that area to be connected into peter's and so that's what's held that out because anything you want to cover in under reports connecting i was going to that was part of the question so is that potentially where there could be a secondary connection could be in the reason why we couldn't is that in peter's thousand light is is the case and maybe western pennsylvania communities we have an unlimited garbage collection and so therefore in the case of cranberry their garbage collection is limited it is limited by how much garbage can fit into a container so in essence what you would be asking people to do is that pay the same or more and receive less in the way of service and so all of the garbage collection to automated services but rather the recycling collection and one of the things that's happening with regard to recycling that we all know is that we've gone from a system where very limited number of items were being collected to a system now where it's single source it and it's everything so if you actually are village in about your recycling collection you're probably generating more recycled waste then you are garbage so the you know the elements of an automated says the worst is the truck with the other element of the end of the automated system or the cars and these cars common as part go next on one of the things about it is these are cleaner in the sense that if you look at a street that has these on you don't have all these the bags and and garbage hanging out  and from the standpoint of the hauler they're tremendously safer because you don't have guys having to lift these into the truck required to do mine or not they're cheaper and we're not sure of the answer of that right now what we do know is that you take something that you're painting to get rid of it in terms of the recycled materials there's actually a market for it so instead of having to pay thirty five dollars a ton to get rid of something you're actually making some money money off of that the other thing that we know is that it results in more recycling in what what we're public showed is that what we thought was really kind of interesting they did two case studies murrysville does and plan does exactly the yes it in the case of vertical with this has resulted in is a tremendously larger performance frame for recycling and when you look at the case in plum you have a very similar result  just putting were junk into the container what actually is it they actually check that surprisingly enough and when they found was the amount of waste that's in there is actually very small people and actually kind of figure out what recycles and what doesn't green it may well be that we want to do this and if you look at these these bins have a ten year warranty on them and they cost about fifty bucks apiece you got about seventy five hundred homes and beaters so you're talking about an expense of about three hundred seventy once we go out to bid this the you may reduce that cost in the in reduced cost of actually collection and the increased performance for it but if you if you get to pine for the grain and actually get the grain you get the cost down to one two bucks  they're working on the good specs for the garbage and recycling and this is something that both waste and republic is pushing and so we are going to be have as a group we are going to have stroman you know around a lot of so we have the same thing in public works we have one of them there so the good news is people using those for recycling and and i would agree if you have the ability to recycle need for a bigger container particularly with families is there is there any alternative for something a little smaller for somebody who wouldn't need that there are actually interviews so we have a vacancy currently on a q b and one coming up in july and we don't have any alternate sons known here i did look at me my notes from mr christie i don't know if everyone remembers him at all but he was a viable candidate do we think we need to interview him again dr i mean i would do better understand remember his resume deer survey that was done by the department of agriculture determine the deer population township and then we chose to go with the archery program as opposed to process and it would be it would be cheaper counsel would be one to go ahead with that and then the other part of it is we would like to continue with the archery program we've not had literally regarded any complaints on the program and it's  i mean i'm not familiar with to look into that the deer thing because i'm like to hunt so are you inspired to come on board some time for a public audience probably not