yes why is that there are groups what authorities that that texas does not require any kind of registration or license to have a fire outside of a car outside of one's home or car that is my understanding concealed when he was inside the bot i believe did try to estimate it was a little bit unclear about that but he did go in the bar there was some evidence that he went inside the bar but there was no witness that ever said they saw a gun inside the bar  firearm without a point you're making the point that he had a mission to do it in texas and that's why i question why did he have permission under texas law to possess a concealed weapon outside of his car i weapon wherever he went i but i believe he knows that on its face exhibit it doesn't say you can carry this wherever you want it the prison also doesn't say this is limited to the base or limited to texas and i think most permits of this nature would say on them you can carry this allows you to carry this gun wherever in the world where was any evidence put into the record by the defense that in fact he was able to carry a gun by virtue of the military permit he didn't have a ford car and so the only way you're defended can escape prosecution is if you can show the difference with an exception to the exception that you invoke to be ten says if you are licensed by another state and your ar is twofold first of all that includes states to just let you do it without a license you need to convince us of that or to have any traction but if we even agreed with you on that you have to then prove the second step which is that texas is in fact permitted these activities so the return to bodies if he did he was convicted of then you fall into the same statute but they're two different things certainly under texas law they seem to be two different things one was having a gun in his car and the other was having his gun outside of the car and by a bar which i think there might even be some problems with it being a liquor establishment but put that aside what was in the car when was out and i think will work questioning you on his under texas law you don't seem to need to get a license to have a gun in your car but you do need a license a concealed carry license to have it outside the car is that and i wrong about that and you do need a license to carry a concealed manner so it's still so far as he was because he did have both in essence a point guard because texas does not wish you a license or program and it said in essence you may have that fire or does it matter to jle purposes whether or not what he let's say for purposes of argument that the gun was on his person or concealed under texas law can he do then i don't know if he can do that under texas law if he can't do that under texas law let's  assume he can't do that under texas law how do you reach a constitutional law that you made because he was charged under the royals right but if we find that what he did was a violation of texas law it really wouldn't  let's take it further than this assume he doesn't employ card this permit for the base is not i think i'm by texas not requiring a permit for registration that is in essence giving him permission to have actually says that somewhere in there that any state that allows someone to hear a god or you have one with out of a license that's what our legislature intended  s legislature decided we're only going to take you know a four week requirement or license registration from thirteen different states and leave out thirty seven other states but maybe the illinois legislature thought in its wisdom states that don't have any kind of break elation regarding just getting a permit is not beneficial for the residents of our state and you get the idea that you have to go through some process however limited is even texas now  not require a license or a resolution yet and i believe to talk about this kind of an odd situation to get a i'm not mistaken about hunting the state dinners yes but that i think they criticise some of the language that it would be impossible to follow because it wouldn't maybe it's a real careful vetting process maybe it's just a registration process that release makes the person sign up maybe even sign up they're gone so they're suddenly to know that the state has somehow been involved with with this person possessing a gun as opposed to thirty seven states that are more of kind of wild wild west or just anyone can have a gun if you want i mean we that may be paternalistic that need be imprudent but is absurd to think the state might have made that second in a way for self defense purposes in the house and out of the house and if you have a firearm it's got to be unloaded in this thing once the fire is to say in the car anywhere you go travel i don't know if they said specifically in the car but i don't think that doesn't apply to thirty seven different states that's a whole lot of people that have no second amendment right than in the state of a little while no second amendment right i mean who good the statute says to be ten the one you're invo king says if your license are registered another state in this case the defendant could have gotten a concealed carry permit in texas right yes and had he done that he would have i would assume successfully defended against this prosecution on both counts because he would have said i have a permit i have or i have a license in another state and i don't know what the trial court would have done but i think we would have a very favorably on that because i mean how much more on point can you get with the exception the if they don't have any sort of exception for people that can't get a point go well i think they have numerous exceptions and one of them is that if you get a white card in your own state it's fine where you're ok you can travel through it you can keep it in your car  with i mean even if you don't get a white card as long as it's not loaded both if you have a white card or something like that you can come through illinois and do whatever you want real in terms of possessing them and some of that's beyond a regulation or because those can be all those working people that then cannot have a firearm for self defense in illinois they come from states without licensing registration they can never fit into exception ten either states that no licensing or it is racial even for satisfy the statute right when someone from texas could get a concealed carry license and come here and invoke to be time i pathetically i would i would hope so it isn't bad crissy to really very simple in texas there really isn't  the other decisions have been dealt with people that were under twenty one and i believe that could be justified as a reason the regulation at some point you'll no longer be twenty one to put other regulations on people that are under twenty one here though mr reagan's would never be able to and that gun covered under the seat wasn't it yes but still it was a good time going back to what just this house was saying is that if what he did in texas wall how would we ever reach that constitutional law because the trial court found him guilty under two separate house i will any hypothetical thing he could have been guilty in texas however is not the same as the for regulation that he was convicted of an illinois they could kinds of other ways to charge him in the illinois with other various crimes and but he could not be convicted in texas of not having a point or because they don't under texas law you in order to stay out of god in your are under a seat in the ceiling you have down this license does that make a difference in this case i don't think what texas has rather laws i don't think makes a difference there will be if under texas law ok in order to help that dumb under the seat and you need this for this license right and illinois you always have to have that white card but if in texas for the acts he was found guilty of in the field goal with the gun will say concealed hidden under the seat you also need the texas concealed carry permit how would we ever reach the constitutional claim because the court found him guilty of that now that's the critical elements without the point guard they can't prove that he didn't have a point guard he can't be convicted of heart still but you do you do believe in texas this is the having a car like this chart the us you don't need it you don't need you don't need it i don't i'm not an expert on texas wall but i don't believe they could charge you with the similar charge here maybe they could charge him with not having a concealed carry but he was not sure of that here in illinois i resurgence of second amendment rights and in firearm ownership over the past fifteen twenty years but at the time the station was didn't the legislature see really separated out the president's those persons who are residents of other states who are gun from his home into his car but cannot take it out of the car in so it is possible i'm not enough to certain this to how it would be but it does seem certainly possible or even probable that the possession of a gun  in texas in a car would seem to be committed in some way but is it does that then fit into the definition the i'm sorry the exception of subsection a ten i don't think so because again the ten does talk about being currently licensed or registered and the way i read those those are active processes by the state and that's simply not simply the absence of a prohibition it's i guess that's exactly right i'm trying to i think the rubber meets the road it is there are two different ways you could not have a license one could be the state says absolutely nothing about it they don't say you can't have a gun they don't say you can't they're just utterly silent it that beast passive authorisation there be no affirmative grant of approval from the state not near silence it's not a license it's not the department of safety issue and yet are the department of state police issue here is no regulatory body is real but the state says through its general assembly yes you whatever it might be called you seem to indicate that it was and of the more business days of more recent vintage i don't know what it might have been before i mean i've seen plenty movies where you have people in texas fighting with the gun racks in the back i recognize that but i'm just not familiar enough  no we don't want those people the people who actually have to go through a license requirement which might just mean you pay ten bucks and you get a license sometimes a license requirement isn't careful vetting registration requirement probably isn't all that  asleep for from the stars has always been concerned about the unsafe transportational weapons in trying to give clear rules for the law abiding citizens by which they think they can lawfully can support them in the most important distinctions i think are found in the federal courts recognize that our concealed carry act is a sufficient and reese were regulation to ensure second mineral rights of law abiding citizens while also at the same time protecting public safety in so we do still have the ability to prohibit least in some regard license right by their own home states we can look into the process is the other states yes we can't make a determination as to whether or not we think that they are sufficient are appropriate at this stage but we can  set that minimal level of if you've been given formal provable from your state so for those reasons and for the reason stated in a brief we would escort to affirm the conditions in this case thank you thank you they they talk about having some sort of way to check on these non residents however mr weakens it would be impossible for him to get any kind of permit or registration from texas but he did have this federal permit he's a military veteran reasoning then that would also not apply to people from washington d c because that's not a city and if they couldn't then have no second number right also in illinois however with mr reagan's his federal government does show that he would satisfy the a fourth card before card wouldn't apply like if if your client had been in somebodies house with permission to have a gun he would not have needed to for it carry i believe i don't know that that's how they charged it and this license or registered in other states only applies to the other twelve states that actually have those requirements and not to the thirty seven the doll which is admitted kind of a restrictive reading trying to see to think of what that would mean for the state if that were the right