applications tonight i would ask first of all that if you've come would you please sign in over there if you haven't already and also i'd like to encourage you all during an application if you have something to say to join in and say it we value input from the town citizens also vermont law requires that if you're going to if you're interested in a project and you may be so interested in a project that you may want to become what's called an interested party which would give you the right to appeal if you need to speak at the hearing so keep that in mind if depending on what your interest level is in the various projects and applications also i'd like to see a light which i see every month that we are one member short of on the development review board and i would encourage anyone either out here in the public or those who are fortunate enough to watch us on t v to if you're interested  submit your up your application or talk to the tell me in it or to kathleen and because we could use one more person on the board first hearing that we have to do it is barry washburn family trust and jackie washburn application thirteen dash zero zero four for a shapely interview for a proposed change in use from white manufacturing to a personal services business which is a pet grooming shop for  portions of unit one located seventy one hundred ten road in the commercial zoning district so jackie are you ever going to speak come on up pick up so that's around eighty eight thousand a day oh so you'll be doing the work for the dogs it's not going to be a place where people can come and walk around dog so somebody will come drop off leave the dog for a couple of hours and then come back and pick  there's anybody in the public care of any comments or questions what we're proposing to lot subdivision is in south few states off of bradford terrace and when david originally bought the piece it was actually the paid david dropped off yesterday we have submitted the amended highway access permit for the shared drive as part of the original plans for the self you subdivision  two three bedroom homes all the design for the system will stay the same so  and the common number five steep slopes as shown on the plans of concord to show greater than twenty percent the contours are based on a couple shots  while we are out on site we collected shot information and inter plated key contoured out of from there during the site visit we had on friday it's pretty obvious that where the buildings are proposed it will not be greater than twenty percent but as shown on the plans the slopes are approximately twenty to twenty five percent so that's what the additional sheet three kathleen handed  control plan and it just covers covers the section six point one one in the richmond zoning regulations for steep slopes the project will be in  contained just on the housing site area where the proposed houses are shown such forces yes most of  play in the same last sentence says it is understood and read that all homes under the this w w permit which is referred to as the new amended one we will obtain share the maintenance costs of shared system anybody else in the public would like to speak to have any comments very what you have a mind to get to talk before you start yes i have to say that i am somewhat involved of the per for this project and right where i represent some people who benefit from the subdivision but aren't involved in what's in front of the board right now so i don't believe that i have a conflict but i want to put that out there and if anyone has any objections t with further evidence we have changed the port au boundary believed to be to their benefit based on additional evidence and so as a result of that obviously a lot five changed on the acreage a decrease from ten point one nine point zero six acres the last five contiguous area also shrunk slightly so it was off the easterly side if you could kind of overlay these maps you'd see that the and lot one plus or minus went from three seventy one to three seventy  like every three years the interstate you can't see the interstate because of these trees but you can see that's a view that i grew up with have always not and then this is bruce working with the of those the only way to give a little history we've been trying for years to figure out what to do with the fire and we wanted it to stay a fire and we found that it wasn't a good thing to do it is absentee landlord and especially after our parents died two years ago it was just really hard to think of how we would keep it a fireman because our dream was to do that so we had become more first we started with the fish and wildlife department trying to see if we could figure out a way to do it through the state of vermont and that didn't seem to be a possibility but we did get hooked up with the promoter and questioned by poachers been working with us over a considerable period of time only and to help us try to figure out how we could conserve our property and keep it  in farming if we could and we did find a way to do that but the only way that we could really figure out how to do it was to subdivide into parcels and conserve this much of it as we could and one of the things that we did we we have historic buildings on the property and the house was subdivided last year and we sold it to a family that with a small child  their perfect little place and they'll be able to reach toward the home and keep that as part of the landscape in richmond it's you know something that's been built the house was built like eight hundred twelve or eight hundred thirteen so it's been there for quite some time our family has been in town were in that eighteen hundred census andrews's are listed then so we have a real strong history here and we really wanted the fire to be a fire my father moved there when he was six months old and with his family really that the fire itself so in any event what we what we found was that there was a grant through the u s department of agriculture that would match a farmer with available land and it had to be someone with a good strong history of business practice so that they were viable farmers and would stay in business and that they could this w be one way to help match a farmer with farmland in through the land trust conservation if we sell a development rights and then sell it to the farmer it makes it more affordable however there was a certain percentage of soil type that drove the size of the parcel and so we couldn't conserve the whole farm it just wouldn't work in order to access that grant so that's why lots two and three  the ones that we're hoping to conserve in this particular phase of our conservation efforts two and three together make a farm that could be a sustainable fire and so our first goal would be to conserve that and then sell it to a farmer and we have found someone that meets the u s d a grant you know perfect for it and it would help preserve the bar for the scenic corridor if you want to call it that and but also keep very good cultural u right here and then our second phase will be one to try to conserve it and we have started working with the promote land trust with guidance to try to figure out a way to do that and so that was what drove us to the why of why we needed to subdivide realize you're used to a whole different purpose for subdividing in terms of what people usually  what we're trying to do our dream is to conserve it to keep it for perpetually as a to conserve property so that the state would be there politics and in doing that it's not just that it would be pretty look at when you drive by but ruth and beth are farmers that produce food it's healthy delicious wonderful food and it's locally accessible to people so you know there's that piece as well and just looking at the town plan you know it seems like preservation including this building right here  is a very major part of the question the town plan is and is therefore but you know talking about but also you know what you want to do with zoning i noticed in reading some of your we have no plans to do that right now the reason we included them at this time was to kind of come to this all at once and not continue to come back to you even though we're going to suggest that we'd like to have you condition that owners of any of these undeveloped parcels would have to come back here if they want to proceed with development there but the reason those parcels are broken out as there is a lot for is physically separated from lot three by a fairly larger bean in the stream and it really didn't meet the needs for the deal of the land trust in maple and he when the it's on the same side of the road it's not really assessable from the rest of the property and it didn't meet the requirements for soils and so forth and lot five is basically physically separated from lot one just as you can see that it is it is it is pretty much an open met all you know putting the roadway where the majority of lot one is a wooded parcel is being operated as a working for right now so that's why we want to a lot three and a lot to a lot one are all assessable by access to that have been there for years probably since before the state had a permit process  so there was a question here she said about access for a lot wanted to those are both access through the existing driveway on the dyer chadwick property and that's recorded in the room the property that there is access maintained for those properties for those properties behind although we don't plan to develops lots four and five we feel also would like to extend that request for a waiver also to a lot number three because that has not been completely surveyed and frankly a lot number three except for breaking out for which is completely surveyed could have been sold as it is because it is a separate lot basically because of its physical separation from the rest of the property by the state highway so now we spoke earlier a little about the difficulty of making our project fit into your subdivision regulations and looking that over a scene section seven or for that put the r v is a lot of ground wavers for any requirement of the sack except for those dealing with public roads and public infrastructure neither of which would have a slot so i guess we feel that you should be able to grant a waiver request regarding the i guess it's articles four five six and seven of your regulations which we prepared the development of these proposals locks in you could impose a condition on lots one three four and five that would require approval from the d r v for compliance with those clerical four five six and seven prior to develop taking place and property or and and the no could be included in the deed and in this in your permit the property owners would have knowledge that if the standards can't be met a lot may not be able to be developed and of course they would need to matter what anyone does they would still need to come requirement i believe that correct yes so are you saying that the that you you folks the applicants are willing to shoulder the risk that if we allow the subdivision and down the road you could not convince the state that you could utilise slots for five for development you'd have basically a small parcels of land that would be useful for cost for us to perform engineering and field work required for wastewater potable water systems design driveway access road and control and so forth that would required for developing these lots and we're talking about for a lots now would prohibit us from proceeding i'm quite sure at this time and it's very difficult also in that you don't really have a proposal to do so it's hard to design for what we don't know so we understand that we're asking for something that you're not normally do but this overall project still seems to be in accordance with the subdivision believe that this project accomplished of all of those things represent areas that are less than twenty percent slopes don't contain any wetlands that we know conceivable that this could be split in the future depending on who's going to throw a line right through there it gives me twenty thousand square feet on either side of the shared drive and i'm not saying that could or couldn't happen i tried it again think which was sold to the couture's and when they did that they they called for an easement that would follow the border those current driveway up to a but we recognise the fact that there is a historic use silent not add that there is we've been working with the andrews family for over a decade and the conservation of both this farm land and this forest land has been a goal of many conservation organizations and  and really funding from levels from the town contributing funding toward this project and support from the conservation commission the planning commission and the select board to state conservation funding federal conservation funding from the natural resource conservation service private foundation funding all to conserve this farm it's really iconic farmland and it contributes greatly to the local land based economy and it's really a great resource both for this town and to the region and we hope that subdivision of this land will help make this property be able to be conserved and we hope that it will go for we're we're you know we just feel so fortunate that we have the potential opportunity we hope will go forward they have to be developed you suggested i get per view of you she i have requested one should be able to furnish it to you in a couple days i do have an e mail response from the firm of specialists that basically says just  highlights the need to obtain proper state permits in the of the of development but that being said you can satisfy the tower with a letter from drinking water and ground water protection division spoke with a woman named the wars or i can initiate a project