will be infrastructure environmental management committee please come to order today is monday october seventeenth two thousand and sixteen and the time is roughly nine o eight a m and members audience please silence cell phones or any noise making devices at this time thank you and here in the committee myself i am the chair we have vice chair of the comm others that will be joining us shortly from administration on i am fifty four will be having director of public works david good morning good morning and from deputy deputy corp rachelle thompson good morning chair mean we have we're going to be discussing i am thirty two and i am forty five which we shall have administration from environmental management  with us later and also from director the director of finance or a representative from mr axelrod or any other director and others i see in our don't have anyone clamoring that our doors for testimony this morning so without with with no objections i shall now close public testimony thank you very much let's jump into the first item which is i e fifty four and this one is parking restrictions on place this one is county communication sixteen dash thirty eight from council chair mike weight and  transmitted the proposed bill relating to parking restrictions on kelo correspondences dated october seventh two thousand and sixteen to department of corporation council which transmitted a revised proposed bill of the bill is to establish parking restrictions on the west and east sides of the place and so members this matter a basically from the residents concerns regarding traffic and safety on the street and as a result the vehicles parked you know along from the vehicles that's parked along i am the department  and this is the version of the bill will be working off of and corporation council attached to the revised proposed bill are comments indicating that deputy corporation i believe that the revised bill would be able to be signed once presented so we can take care of that at their chairs convenient ok very good and at this time well first of all just note that public works commission did vote unanimously to approve this so they're in very much support but at this time i'll turn the floor over to mr good if you have any further comments thank you chair morning again members david country club and goes to baby beach so it's frequently used road to get to the the baby beach area the road terminates if you go to slide five you can see kind of a rough approximation for the road and and the majority of the park it happens on baby beach in the dirt areas on amby properties i understand at one point the parks department had a lease on my understanding is they currently do  emergency vehicles being able to get in to the area sometimes ingress safely in and out of their driveways and also some nighttime activities that  in the bay beach area that included open fires and other things happening the need for the night time no parking on the east side came into play public works commission did meet on the i am actually twice chair in your staff assisted in getting some more residents to attend the second meeting so that the commission could better understand exactly what was going on and based on the testimony those provide at the meeting  the commission voted and recommend approval of the ordinance which again would be on the west side of the side would be no parking all the time on the east side passes that we would send our i was division to install the signage that now i'm not finished thanks are ok thank you very much director and members at this time the floor is open for you folks if you have questions and comments yes oh yes thank you my question is on the photos that we have that are four and five they are very graphic does anybody know what time of these were taken sides road it's pretty dangerous even six same thing you know just people lined up in the concern about emergency vehicles is really real these folks parked cars and then off they go and so if an ambulance or somebody wanted to get through you have to find them maybe they're out on a paddle board or something i think that i support what is being recommended ok thank you very much is that nice daddy that invisible line between my we county and game is i consider is as we understand our constitution a traditional right of way for access for   unfortunately i don't have a answer for that could you know i just want us to be informed you know if it is something we need to recognize from more traditional access them or they speak all the hill a program or others like to hear these we should be aware of  aware of it if it's not it's not it's fine with me i just want to acknowledge that there is a cultural requirement or information that makes us consider this i mean for support of this other that chair i  ess that we make sure that between public works environmental management police department our people are well notified in this site accordingly you know part of this is as  safety so i don't have a problem with the issuance of appropriate violation of tickets because we have a bad parking problem in this county or intersections and stop s so again i belief i can cite police can say and they believe some of the employees of environmental management insight so i would make sure that that supposedly line i think you mentioned there was a gate at one time was that where the gate was posted or no was it further out by the point very do you recall or no  chair i don't recall where the gate was it may have come up and some of the testimony that we have the public works commission you know i took my kids that beach there for twenty years and i don't remember a reiterate that twice public works commission had discussed this and first go around many of the neighborhood people were quite notified or aware of that particular meeting the city really held a meeting to make sure they will make sure that the surrounding neighbors knew came in testified and are a part of so i think commission and public works for making sure the people that are directly affected are in the loop on this so i believe in from their perspective or from their entrance but you know oh mr holcombe a brings up another issue that i don't know how we ever would address it or solve it but it is an issue and that is the issue of people parking all over the streets at night and i think it's something we might want to take a look at you know we buy it or we're at it and we say ok if you're going to have a big kitchen render you have put all the cards on your property  know whatever but we're not successful i don't care where you go and i didn't come to them in isolated areas of the country or in you know more gated areas or whatever you don't have the problem but everywhere else everybody's parked on the street and it's on both sides and you want to talk about traffic obstruction it happens in my own neighborhood so i don't know how we do with it i don't know thank you for being here and so your members a corporation council there's a bill ninety four we amended previously of the same section of the code prohibiting parking and that got passed second and final and so now corporation council is ok to sign this once we agree that we are to pass this today and with that anyone else having the discussion or questions comments needed there was make my recommendation thank you and all entertain a motion to recommend passage on first reading of the revised proposed bill intitled a bill for an ordinance amending section ten point four eight point zero four zero county code relating to parking prohibitions on place hawaii incorporating any non substantive revisions and the filing of county communication sixteen dash three eight any opposed say no seen no oppose motion carries with six one excuse to mr white and in motion passes thank you very much members so moving on to i thirty two and dr that's all we have with you ok ok thank you very much for being here we have i am thirty two and it looks like deputy director michael meehan motos this morning good morning sir thank you for being here and this members we are receipt of a miscellaneous communication dated may twenty eighth two thousand and fifteen from the county clerk relating to greenway services and members this i we met on this item back in march of this year and i want to bring it back up again for discussion in light of a second contract amendment or contract five five four five which is the next item  here as a resource person and thank you gentlemen for being here and i didn't oh ok and also the president members we need the gentleman for any  resources for the clarification on questions we may have they are here to assist us today but quickly then i shall turn the floor over to the director mia moto for any opening comments that you may have in regards to this new contract that we got to bid were originally when the we have your original contract with equal and we were looking contemplating this week's conversion project we thought the timing of it is that we were going to go for a three year contract with two one year extensions because the one year to after the three years it would have been at the earliest possible opportunity for the weeks conversion project to be possibly online and then we add it into one year extensions just in case  the conversion didn't come online which it hasn't and we had the opportunity to extend the contract for those two years while the three years have passed and we entered into the contract extension period and that had to be mutually agreed upon between both parties unfortunately we couldn't come to an agreement the contract with put out the bid so unfortunately that meant the contract bid process would have been for a short period of two years for the anticipation of when our ways conversion facility which would in the gallery with us the floor is now open for any questions or comments concerns or accolades to at this time yes mr  those materials will start to take place proposing and they are working on the offtake contracts which they're pretty close to getting off the contracts already seen in the in the news about the challenges they've had with the local utility in trying of implementing the facility on time the sixty three months from the effective date is the day that they need to be commercially in operations unless there are some extensions or  from from twenty fourteen so basically five years and a couple of months ok well i'm anxious because i want results well i'm tired of in the sense in the original poles of the green which was part of the material that was promised to the vendor that put in the one with the project the product that we offered to the successful contractor was a municipal solid waste the green waste tonnes per year and so all of those are part or part of the requirement for the conversion contract to take care of that even included the landfill gas that we currently fleer at the facility so all of that was promised to the the winning bidder which was then contracted to take care of this we encourage the contractor to work with have discussions  yarding possibly working with them because of the process that's been proposed this ways conversion has digest state in a hard product that comes out of this anaerobic digestion process and whether or not that would be utilized to help make a compost or some kind of a land soil amendment regarding the status of those talks they're private at this point i don't know if eagle is willing to discuss that if they've had process and then the end product being this this waste product this would be the digestive would be utilized to meet comparables so whether or not it's going to be with equal or another composting company i don't have  is to have an off take for the products that you generate whether it be fuel or electricity going into the r p process which was done in two thousand and fourteen we had conversations with the local utility bioelectric company and they found  difficult for us to provide them power because we were big enough for them to take a generator off line so then when we put the r p o we made it clear that you know someone who wanted to generate power would be would be lesser scored in the process going process because the local utility was going to guarantee taking it and so when the energy or process came in with anaerobic digestion that created this methane gas but then offered a lot more flexibility you know you could either use that to power an engine which most people on the mainland are doing their power engines to to generate power or you can use you can further refine it for other fuels i've seen in a proposal on the big island where they're going to take that methane gas and possibly refine it enough to to power some vehicles of course additional refinements going to cost a lot more money but that gave us the greatest flexibility and that's where they are right now is trying to find someone who will take this and we do have takers that want to take it but we're also looking at other options as to how can that gas be better utilized so we're working in now that the things of the landscape really has changed if you've noticed with next era has disappeared from now all how friendly will the utility company be wanting the gas possibly to be reached this renewable requirement that the governor has said you know using renewable fuels way he was twenty forty five one hundred percent renewable fuel by twenty forty five so our fuel is considered renewable there would be come out of this process so  which from our view you know it made even more sense because when you think about all the trash that comes to the landfill roughly around sixty five percent of that comes from commercial and thirty five from residential so we have our you know our e b s division that does a great job with for the residential we have all of these recycling centers residential recycling centers and we try to collect as much divert as much of the recyclables or with the energy or proposal you know they're going to look at all of the trash to look for recyclable so that they're looking at whether it might be a mechanical system or labor intensive system that all look through the trash to carve the valuable recyclables now what they harvest is going to depend on the market obviously as we've seen in the recycling market the the prices for use come these recycled commodities have significantly dropped for example steel not necessary that would come to our landfill but that literally is like one fourth actually less than five years ago it was over five hundred dollars a ton now it's over just over one hundred dollars a ton for for steel so it's going to depend the market but that sixty five percent that we weren't looking at before will now be looked at and they're market for those commodities is there thinking chair that you know it sounds as though and is doing all the different types of conversion and i was looking more  effective it it is and it seems is that the that a robot digestion is being held up on the on the other type of diversions because they're trying to figure out you know what what they can do so to bring us back that fired on the edge in this idea is strictly about green waste right now and that's why we have eco here because they do handle you know a phenomenal amount of green waste seven hundred ninety two ton s have come in for the last couple years with so i've been looking for numbers as to where they're at today not sure if mr miyamoto would it b your comments to mr guzman's last comment yes part of the large p process we didn't limit the technology because we didn't want to own it so we looked the proposals proposed what they were going to do and they needed to meet that mandate of you know if you're going to generate power that you're assuming you can download to the network you're going to be scored lower because based that was based on what we elected told us at before we put the art of p r so yes we had we had  all the different types of players mark in all the high temperatures and there always seems to be the method that everyone's moving towards we were somewhat leading the nation on this when we initially our people because we're the first ones to look at solid ways on the mainland they look at a lot of model feedstocks you know whether they're using one type of crops the way from wood manufacturing from for so they were doing it it's easy to control when you think about if you just have a model stock you can predict what your feedstock will be into your process when you think about municipal solid waste i mean if you're talking about green ways glass food paper you know all of that that large variation of what you can get in a single day is the challenge that we see that's why this front in materials recovery will help them to sort of come back to more consistent feedstock into the system so that's the way we set the process up and i think once this project comes on the rest of the nation will start moving there was there already we already see the more movement for example in the west coast there's a renewable energy group that you know they're putting on a conference in my think in the next to basically flip the on switch in sixty three months so landfill gas and diversion of organics may be there lower hanging fruit as far as project implementation so those may come online earlier thinking yeah ash nice to see you and thank you for joining us thank you good morning yes thank you and so many green waste this was an item that was referred via a budget to this committee and we had a opening initial discussion and now i wanted to revisit it prior to heading into our next budget session once again next year well granted we are all here to be at the budget next year but in the meantime then it was stated around forty two tons per month of greenways gets transported to equal from july first twenty four thirteen to july thirty first twenty sixteen for a total of seven hundred ninety two tonnes and so just trying to get up to speed as to what those numbers look like today as a vis year from january of this year till now essentially from private and county sources is approximately twenty four thousand tons per year the grease trap waste is approximately seven thousand tons per year the used cooking oil is approximately fifteen hundred tons per year the commercial greenways to twenty thousand tons per year and residential greenways that approximately fifty five hundred tons per year there's also proximately six hundred tons per year of curbside that company isn't that there is no charge for i do have stats for honda there are about twenty two tonnes per month approximately twenty two tonnes of greenways per month so a year that's two hundred fifty  probably explain it better but my general understanding is that the oil is collected from the various locations around the island centralized at some containers that are right there at eco those containers are shipped over to the big island they're mixed with water oil is removed and then i believe that excess water is shipped back and put back into the eco system so the oil is taken over to the big island and converted into bio didn't want it winding up in the landfill was my fear thank you thank you and i guess if the gentleman from ego if you want to come down to the podium if we have many comments ninety five and i guess i can answer some questions if you guys if anything concerning the contract i rather have tom policy or the president of eco but you know operating questions you more than please to to answer ok yes the tonnage that spin coming in obviously you've seen an increase or has it been stable or what the numbers actually greenways has biosolids increased sense where there may be about three to four thousand tons over the all this years not a whole lot the plants keep getting more efficient i guess the wastewater treatment plant greenway so yes you're going to see a lot more development a lot more landscaping mature landscaping and yeah greenways has been a challenge there technologies we have to grinders to take care of it and your product is being moved though i mean you are having problems trying to know who are still over stock the end product i really feel that would be a core cooperate to have effort between the public and a contractor like us to try to locate some of the product i believe compost especially from the organic farmers association conservative farmers we have tons of them above all the cool area a lot of them come and pick it up we're very proud of that it could park superintendent to you know when the kids are vacation try to recoup the fields and all the haven't been very successful with that we have a lot of landscaping contractors that's the bulk of our you and so you said you you've had i guess not so much movement with our own parks department stores or what have you is that and do you know the reasoning behind that i don't really  for slopes control water erosion and all that that could be i i have approached the d o t locally here to do use if they need to in the mainland it's very u apply you know people and you know time there is a lot of years for it though ok and so do you pack i mean you know you can go wherever the stores and buy ship that all or yes although we chose to have a district a local distributor which is a hawaiian grower products they distribute all the bags for us we don't touch the sales of the bags just bulk at one of the concerns i think i hear i not sure if from here but i think in other municipalities was the use of the sludge in it you know that's where you have the organics not quite wanting to but then in relation to parks where perhaps children will be plain and things do you know of any adverse effects i guess not being us that whatever that goes through actually we use two different testing procedures over there one to in going to landfills in this country and if you go into every conference that we have ten that's the focus nowadays is food waste because it's the largest volume and digest state is the target right now waste thank you thank you for your time members it is there any further questions or comments or discussion for mister young mr holcombe tell us this morning your site yes time to time we have misc they're checking for fire ants and also for invaders pieces the beauty of composting is you get to temperatures that material right if you look at our facility it's pretty much isolated the growing waste area once you start grinding that stuff and you put on a pile of a multiply all the temperatures start rising right away in fact we have to watch out operations wise for fires and all that as soon as you mix that with the sludge the temperature even further go up so we need to constantly be moving this okama and yeah i think that's been a lot of concern in areas you smell we were have you that have these invasive not just the plant but you know your animals to insects what have you into a truck transported it would come to your say so there's still alive and well in the thick of the greenery so to speak and as your process seen i mean i can picture sure i mean they could be running off and going eighty we don't want to be thrown into that fire pit or you know the heat so i don't i think it's a good question to ask in and wonder what are the  something to the transportation is where the risk is and you know that's how you spread actually your people or trucks or whatsoever planes are but once she gets on the facility you start processing that and believe me i try to bring toads to the facility on time to control flies to all die over there because just too harsh but when you start to make and the clay grinding it's  all that material and then that he causes on the piles and all that very little chance for and sex to survive thank you yes mr bison oh yes thank you thank you for  sharing you mentioned that this visit i think it might be helpful have they ever found anything no no ok thank you thank you any so this time i'll just so without objections well actually i'll just file this oh sorry do we have questions well mr polish did you want to come down and have you have some comments oh yes sorry sorry go ahead sir thank you for being here this morning continue to be replaced with a very short term contract it didn't make sense to go out and buy a new grinder at four hundred thousand dollars and try and amortize it over two year period so based on that i looked at our operating costs recognize and they were warring up with the old equipment but it was still cheaper than trying to go out and get norry crypt and advertise it over a few years that's the basic reason in addition to the fact that we had operated for a number of years without an increase in our breaking cost continue to go up so that was the justification we had for the increase thousand ok it really fluctuates and that fluctuates because of the top the seasons or the the demand is that we're just the demand seems to fluctuate a lot of it depends on what kind of development is going on and what kind of infrastructure is beyond good you get a highway to power point your goal and where they need a lot of material to go for landscaping and he goes we haven't seen many of those recently so from just just touching on the the purchase from the i say one of the departments parks department let's say that would be  parks department would pay for the product and then that would go into your revenue portions of it yes or is that never has ever been negotiate too i guess i shouldn't get can and i don't know i'll just see if i'm going into the next item but i do have a question from i guess you folks you folks do the hauling of the green  that time of day for a mid morning break if you folks need of ten minutes or so there's a song good ok members why don't we come back at ten twenty then and at this time we are in recess and this is a miscellaneous communication dated november sixth twenty fifteen from the county clerk and this relates to contract numbers c five five four five and amendment two for the estimate permit the on advisory commission wanted us to stop using utilizing the syndicate and as part of that syndicate action we have to remediate that syndicate action syndicate that was previously used that we do need for the landfill but we still need to do a lot of repairs and that and so that's that this contract with the hauler when it came to green ways we buy our operating permit we're allowed to have green waste at our landfill a limited quantity bought can get share with you the specific this is the amount of the limit but we're not also we're also not allowed to process at greenways at the landfill current permit does not allow us to to mulch it to shore it it just allows us to take it in and then process it off site which is why we looked at the nab contract since he's bringing in dirt and he's going back empty why not you take that opportunity look believe it's two hundred yards is over allowed there now and again i don't have the specifics my preparation time was limited this morning but i can get with when we do have full loads of greenway so we're not paying for partial loads ok thank you mr schmidt and those that conclude your comments yes ok thank you i'll turn the floor over to mr carrol just go ahead director the i mean it's possible and all it would take is funding being granted to do so the only challenge we see is other communities wanting the same service and that's the only real challenge  it's just a communication with the regulators you know applying for it you know putting in the specifics of what we intend to do and just going through that process to date none of the landfills solid waste doesn't take care of that space is an issue it's a pretty small property that was part of our issue all along you know we need we do limit the amount of pre maced we don't go anywhere near our permit limit because we do have a limited space there and so i would i would envision if we did something there would sure if we have space enough but if we try to do try to do that calculation on much acreage we haven't how much greenways we could keep in the various stages of coming into comm poles when rose to go through that process we'd have to put in additional storm water management controls to make sure that when it rains none of the water that's gone through the campus is leaking that area leaving that area we have to look at it in more in depth as to what a month we really could get there and do a small type of process and we would definitely have to contract that services out as we don't have the equipment that would be quired to turn that composting pile over it might be a small operation that maybe that might be able to meet the demand typically like we have on mall of the demand is nowhere near what comes in it's on molokai i mean part of that contract we have the contractor having to actually go out and market it literally do whatever he can't as rubin does to train keep their site in compliance so things like you said since we are taking it off site we'd have to do an analysis and see what we can fit there to get it from greenways through the weeks of as part of that sydney process we went through for the landfill the public works had done all the hauling for environmental management we don't have trucks we don't have front end loaders so we're utilizing public directly at the landfill they made that connection and said you know hey that thing is getting dangerous it's rather the slopes are very steep basically what it was is i mean at the at this independent yes the they were just grabbing from the bottom and just letting material slough off from above so the slope got very steep and very dangerous and so as part of that estimate permit they said we needed to remediate that you can imagine converting a fifty foot vertical somewhat vertical wall into that like a engineered two to one slope that would mean we would take out a lot of this this cinder pit area so rather than devastate that area by ripping out all those trees the decision was made that we should close it stabilize those slopes get it to where you know it looked as natural as possible and then bring in the material from elsewhere because public works told us that they no longer needed it they no longer were bringing the borrow material from there to to do shoulders road we shoulder stabilisation and things like that so we said ok the public works doesn't need it and this it may says that we did we shouldn't be using it so we move forward with this contract trucking material and to treat does that amount that we trucked out the obviously as counsel for their blessing on the typing system which we using as much as possible right now i do recall that it just seems that this  might make some sense to see if there's possibly some some individual and part of it might be interested in purchasing equipment to process the green waste if if there's enough land  t piece or something of that sort but just seems kind of counterintuitive to truck stuff all the way from central maui out to hire just to cover the  landfill and then haul green waste out of hot back to central just something just doesn't quite fit there but  so basically by closing the cinder pit we have a significant cost increase right well what cost would you put on it annually because we're having the whole thing as far as that the slopes becoming stable by virtue of cutting the back to a shallow angle we had an engineer look at it and essentially say that the undisturbed cinder i  mean it's fairly solid before it's broken up and dug represents a stable and so our most recent mandate was to remove all of the loose cinder from the existing side walls and that's that's what we've done and up until recently and just have recently left there so we actually do have a bit a stockpile a cinderella and so once that's used time i'm guessing that the estimated volume or estimated needs going to be in the four hundred thousand plus range pay for cover so all right it is while that's that's huge we contract that trucking i guess for what is it total contract for four hundred thousand one hundred sixty and that still bringing pressure  currently the trucks are full both ways on the current contract they come in with the crusher and then go back out with the green waste so you come in ten to twelve times  if you don't mind if you can join us on the floor here because i think this is more the financial part of this and yeah mr schmidt don't run away too soon i think september twenty fifth and as far as our process is concerned when the department comes for to exercise the option partly department's question but the first i guess amendment totals one hundred seventy thousand dollars and i mean the second and then i guess there was another amendment of one hundred fifty three four thousand dollars and i'm just trying to add up the closure of the so you folks have been stockpiling cover in anticipation of closure but yet you're hauling in phil from central hauling out the greenways we sure appreciate you not running empty trucks in and out and and why are you in excess of over four hundred thousand dollars right now thank you madam chair as bob had mentioned the when we close the landfill to not believe i'm sorry the syndicated to the public and public works  part of that engineering evaluation everything there were loose material that we were able to bring down to the bottom and then we can utilize that so that's been stockpiled at the landfill so the contract the amendments were to help supplement what we didn't have so you know the ongoing process of taking material out of that the engineering soil or slopes out of that cinder pit so this amendment sort of supplement that action as bob had mentioned that once we run out of that amount of material that we can get from the syndicate the contract should escalate up in the four hundred thousand dollars range so the hundred fifty amendment is just an annual as funds are available we use that money to help supplement the the amount of material we but i think this figure is has happened in a sense i mean you've spent this money or will be expended by the end of this month november contract ends and of next month so i heard you saying it's going to escalate but it looks like gary did escalate i mean it's increased in the first six months  by that hundred fifty three thousand plus dollars and then in the second amendment it increased by another ten percent only within eight months so i mean there's this escalation occurring and i'm trying to figure out i mean explanations been laid out on this table i didn't have these questions come into this meeting i haven't now because of what i'm hearing you know so we have a contract signed sealed delivered and it's go end in mid and of next month for for over four hundred thousand dollars and now you're saying we're going to supporting escalation but i already see that escalation happening so i don't quite get that comment for starters and yeah i and i and understand anticipation of escalation because the closure of all of cinder pit but that hasn't it's in the process that hasn't happened when these contracts were amended so that's where what what is happening is due to just additional green waste than the had that we needed to hole i mean because we do have that limitation and so here again i don't want to run the truck empty part of the contract was due to run it both ways so that that's that's part of the escalation that the the contracts on a funny time period do so some of these amendments have to do with the school year you know versus contract time and there's also a third amendment that actually was approved i'm not sure why we haven't discussed that i mean the three was actually approved in this contract takes us through november thirtieth of twenty sevent e i haven't received the requests for the extension or exercising that option but there is one more holding to the original contract ok so that the one that stuff hundred seventy t three contract was presented to us but we did not put out to bring here to this committee at this point i suppose  november of two thousand and fourteen through november of two thousand and sixteen and so that average is two hundred thousand dollars per year but now we're saying that we're going to run out of cover material from the and we're to have to bring more in but it's all going to cost it's going to cost us less than it has over the last two years something's i'm missing something if you can help me add up the numbers here but on the sort of occasion it says the date that it started and you got the notice to proceed i'm sorry i may have misread this so i need some clarification of the notice proceed through eleven thirty so it looks like the first amount was initiated in june of two thousand and fourteen correct yes that's correct mentioned that the cost is going to increase significantly so i'm just wondering what's the actual spend out of the one seventy for this year brought in so whatever that ratio is a certain amount of this cost is is from the green waste hauling portion so it's not all it's not all cover so well that we're expanding with this hundred seventy thousand there's that portion of green waste  guess will continue but whether or not it should be counted towards cover still cost is maybe a question you know i guess i'd be more comfortable if if we could ask them to run the run the  numbers on what it would cost if if we were able to have someone take over the green waste operation out there and continue to use the cinder pit and in some way shape or form it just you know four hundred thousand dollar cost just to move stuff back and forth it doesn't in my view there's another option leave the stuff where it is and process it you know use a cinder from and process money this year as they had last year and thank you thank you for your comments chair way i understand so i heard a permit there could be  a permitting option in order to process a green way to the vera but then i heard director mia moto say it's the land space that's limited in i do understand that the hunter ranch was reached out to but at this time they declined to want to provide services but again i wonder if we really exhausted all of our options as in asking other landowners perhaps there's a lot of open and then as we know and th people would like to keep fair and what have you and as for the cinder pit i been there and saw that it's in a dangerous state currently so i get why but i  but i just wonder if we do have some options to try and revisit and see what can be done after it stabilize we want nobody up there and you know get injured or whatever because i know it's  issue try to keep people out what have you but in the meantime can we let you know try and think of other options such as that spot so i don't know mr schmidt you had your hand up had comments yes i can speak up a bit to that there was an engineering  secondly though we did have an engineering study done on how to correctly if you will mind the center and it involves deforesting a few acres up on the the hill itself and  then and then mining it to a stable slope if you will like a one to one or one and a half to one type slope and we looked at that and we crunched the numbers on what it would take to actually do that and the cost of cinder in the short term was really high if you if you if you did the math we're talking eighty ninety dollars a time and of course the longer that you're able to utilise that that price per tonne over time would drop down but in the short term at least hauling cinder from out central here made the best financial sense but what we can we can revisit that we can put some numbers together and maybe get a report to talk through all that economic benefits are cost benefits and really look at it i think that would be much appreciated because we're looking at a four hundred thousand dollars annual bill just be viable option so hopefully that report will be in our hands and will show that as it becomes available for good i guess you our folks are looking at all angles and to figure out what's the best  or has it is a stabilize number of swords or what seems to be the trend i guess out there well actually it's pretty close to stable it came down to five fifteen their total times was five thirty three and then sixteen was four forty one hopefully we can figure out a way to maybe keep keep it in house so to speak on that and a violin and of course you've heard through other discussions in greenways the hauling and spreading of invasive and infestation of sorts  out of that area to this area have you had any i don't know fear here listening to the eco compost discussion in mr commas question in regards to what does get put into the landfill from the east area and then vases that might come with it and how is that contained or mitigated of sorts if at all yeah i was here for that earlier discussion and i had to submit this question reached out to st my report is the university of hawaii working with state officials that do come out periodically and check for a base of species that actually set traps for the fire ants and to my knowledge there's been no positive results are fighting ok right very good good to know there's some monitoring going on alright members any need for further discussion if i'm not then i see this is i just have a question in reference for me to either differ because this is in relation to a particular contract if i leave this open we can only revisit this contract i'm i'd rather probably ok so then with the without objection then i will file this item ok thank you very much members at this time that was our last and final item for discussion i want to thank