and just a reminder for everyone to turn off their cell phones or other noisemaking devices or we proceed mr clear please proceed to kill mr chair proceeding with presentation of testimonies on the agenda item we've established limited interactive communication that enables individuals from honolulu and i to provide testimony for my district offices individuals who wish to offer testimonies from should now sign up with the district office staff individuals who wish to offer testimony in the chamber please sign up at the desk located on the eighth floor lobby just outside the chamber door testimony at all locations is limited to the item listed on today's agenda and pursuant to the rules of the council each testifier is allowed to testify for up to three minutes with one minute to conclude if requested when testifying please state your name and the name of any organization testify please identify yourself and introduce your first testifier good morning chair this is there is no one here waiting to testify thank you mr chair we have fo individuals who have signed up to testify in the council chamber the first person to provide a testimony indicates it is fred testifying on county communication fifteen dash to eighty six mayor good plan for the homeless i think the homeless issue is very important but there's another issue too the real issue is permanent housing for the homeless i've talked to many bad turns and others who have a hard housing vouchers but they are unable to find rental housing i suggest that the mayor's office and the county council jointly put petition the state legislature to create a new law that would encourage builders  real estate developers to build real of horrible hoshi i suggest private loan guarantees to banks and other financial institutions that would be willing to make one hundred percent loan stevo person other real estate  members is there any need for clarification of the testimony see none thank you for being here this morning to court next testify or an end of valerie testifying on county communication fifteen dash to eighty good morning i tried to talk myself out of coming this morning but it didn't work since nerveracking anyway my name is elaine about every i'm originally from paris i've been in hawaii forty seven little guy getting excuse me screwed and so i see things that are happening due rental situation is absolutely ridiculous greed and even i a young local man who has to work three jobs he's moving in with his mother and brother true vegas because he can't make it here i have a friend who who put her name into the affordable housing there toric two to  three years she said ok it's between living in my car or going to me and i'm sitting with a friend which he did so i saw i don't know yet about japan but anything to help the homeless situation is wonderful this brings me to my pet peeve it's about the affordable senior housing i often found out that it was a federal program and i found out then anybody from the mainland could put their name in sit at home get a phone call get on a plane get into you and move ahead of somebody who's been for instance forty seven years here which fortunately i don't need so i thought cairo program there's nothing that can be done and then i found on maybe something can be done in the federal money allocated for that could be moved to something some other plan projects because my wording is not correct and if it was a state funded anybody from demand not who of course wants to come and live here who wouldn't so anyway i think that's about all i have to say like i say it i see i lived in hundred you look at the good days there was hardly a car in the street after midnight it now has the second worst traffic of all of united states and i can see what's coming here and it goes fast so this you can change i have to have an attitude adjustment which i told myself you need and i think  see the license plate from here there and i can't i can't control it so in my lifetime it's still going to be this is my home was the best place on earth to live it it's just it's just wonderful and of course you know what happened in paris so it's a wonderful so anyway that's my thing my main pet peeve is this affordable housing which is under the same to you which is under the federal on behalf of feed my sheep testifying on county communication fifteen dash to eighty six to be followed by michael new york good morning council chair counsel murderous ike i drove here not realizing i was going to testify and then i walked by and i knew i had to because feed my sheep has been as you know many of you know has been in function for sixteen years feeding the poor not just the homeless but still feeding the homeless and we' increased our well we've never been surprised by our economy here we've been we knew in advance when we were on the downturn the financial downturn because we started seeing people before anyone else knew that they were out of jobs and we also knew when the economy was getting better now this homeless issue has become an immense issue and it's going to get worse what's interesting about maui is so we have a unique opportunity to be a pilot program for my for the world and getting people food for people i think this island could just i think we could take care of this issue and i just strongly support the mare's issue on the on the homelessness that we can do something and all together though that's the emphasis because i've been working hard and you know that for so long and so many as have been working so hard for so long we need to get our community involved in this get everyone involved in this and i truly believe we can make such a difference that we will impact the world i truly believe that that's all i wanted to say and you miscoded i mean members of the need for clarification and i don't want to say the economy's made a recovery but it's gotten a little better find the same people returning for help or is it a new group of people that are seeking your assistance as far as in the area of food it's a little of both  we do see a lot of people going back to work and we've been able to use them as volunteers now many people are not needing food but then there's a lot of local people they just don't make enough money and they just have too many children i mean it's just the way it is and it's been like that for a long time here for certain local people i know people think right now the homeless so the men that are coming from who knows where that we see on the street but there's the hidden homeless that's been around for a very long time some some of it's individual i've been working with some of the organisation volunteering and a couple months ago an opportunity came for me to join the salvation army in the work here and so i've seen what is possible just on the different organizations and now he is uniquely set up to do some amazing things so we are in complete support of the mayor's proposal to make a difference the hardest thing that i see is places to housing these people both temporary and also long term so anything we can do to get land  five days a week and we do all that there mostly is providing food and then access to services we do a lot of the collection and finding places for them to go we also in the central now in south maui are doing six outreach vans where we go out and we serve the community with food and clothing and medical things and then also draw them into provide services case management and we're doing and temporary and long term housing as the previous gentleman said many of you are probably aware of the tiny house possibilities and there is a program i believe on daily on weekdays on t v that talks about these are of course relatively extremely inexpensive is something that hasn't quite come to maui there is one individual who does have a website it's very informative and forty i don't have the link at this time but a firm that has spoken muslim cells of providing such tiny housing but it would have to be pursuant to a grant from the county perhaps through a faith based or other organization would because brisky design in law and the previous gentleman's comments were very colorado good morning gentlemen and ladies my last name was close the way she said it it's called the sano robert call sign on the executive director of mental health america and i'm here to support the mayor's proposal regarding homeless that he's going to talk about this morning and i wanted to add one thing from sitting in my position on health america i get a lot of calls from people who have hard vouchers but they simply can't find housing and i've spoken to landlords i spoke to one last night and there's a fear about renting to the people that have and i would suggest that that when somebody is having difficulty the landlords having difficulty with a hide sure can and they have someplace to call they have somebody a resource somebody to rely on that would come out perhaps interface with a client and help their landlord manage a situation that might be a little complicated so that would be one suggestion and i think that might be worthwhile but i believe there's housing out there and i know there's housing out there but tent landlords are afraid they don't know the hud system and i think we need to educate the landlords support landlords even to the extent that we have easy access to a legal resource in case things do go and we help them landlord gets through difficult situations with t keller mr chair there are no further individuals who have signed up to testify in the council chamber if there's any additional individuals in the council chamber or at the district offices who would like to offer testimony please identify yourself to the an update of what we've been doing to you as council members and to the general public we've been working very diligently to try and create some scenarios that you can look at the homo situation is  that is going to be very challenging and it's going to be a very very complicated issue and it's not going to be solved overnight so what we're presenting is a start and just understand it is a start now we have been working with a lot of the nonprofit agencies and we have to continue to work with a lot of nonprofit agencies to try and incorporate their skills into dealing with the on the situation and to be able to grow their organizations to the point where they can help us to handle the situation at the same time i want to point out that in the best of all worlds not everyone who is homeless is going to want to cooperate in come  to one of the programs that we have so there will be challenges in the long term having to deal with the entire spectrum of people who have to work with and each individual has different challenges that we have to be able to work with so there is no one so it's fits all program that we can just put together and say ok this is it and everybody's taken care of so i understand that this is a start and we're going to be working with this it's very expensive to be able to deal with this however we're not only dealing with the homeless we're also trying to deal with those that have and are trying to move into homes that even if they have jobs are not able to acquire homes because there's no rental available there's a lack of inventory so part of what we were talking about has to do with creating more inventory but two are not going to concert on that part  today because it's going to involve changing a lot of our rules to be want to adjust what we have rules currently to allow for more inventory to be created that's going to take a lot longer than we want to spend today but it is something that we are working on as well and you'll be getting bits and pieces of it for rule changes as we go along and this is not just from one department this is from a whole array of different departments people have to change the rules and policies that are going to be coming to you to look at these because quite frankly when we're talking about affordable housing right now their workforce housing four hundred five hundred thousand dollars is not affordable and it's not in the price range of most people that are working so when we talk about homes we're also talking about those that are in our workforce that need housing because in order to transition in order to get from homeless into transitional homes into the normal housing situation requires all three different areas to be worked on and again that's a very very daunting task take can take us a while for all  adjust to it so i just wanted to put that before you before ice we start with our presentation just understand this is a start and we're still have a lot to work with and we're still going to have a long way to go but we have to start someplace so we're going to start with our presentation and carol will will start all over we'll go into it and then if you have any questions after this you feel free to ask the other issue that we're going to be talking about is going to be costs some of the cost numbers and we know that when we don't expect any decision to be made here today on those costs when we do one if we do one indication from you as to whether the direction that we're going with your approval or not because if you don't like it then we need to know about it so we can change direction  so we wanted to start off with the area called river mouth and it's a quarter mile stretch of beach and it's the side of where the river meets the ocean and so this was a like i said a quarter mile stretch of beach there were sixteen individuals living in this area and we embarked on a interagency effort to clean up the area we issued a notice to vacate to the individuals and every day we had family life center going to outreach to the individuals there are also fifteen vehicles in various stages of just repairing just kind of melting into the ground piles of tire tires and tons of debris it took six roll offs full debris to clear out the area you can see people were there for quite some time because they actually built some shelters for themselves this is a kind of like a nice this is a picture of a before and after of the area one of the areas you can see there's quite a lot of stuff people on there and this is the area now today and we actually see people enjoying the beach fishermen and fishing there where once before people were afraid to enter the beach area so this with family life center going every day to do outreach to the individuals in this area of the sixteen people eight chose to live with family or friends and the other eight chose to stay on the streets so what does that tell you it's very difficult to get people the shelters yet  shelters have wait lists the issue is very complex and not easy it takes a lot of resources and it's very difficult situation but we need to open up my beaches so public can enjoy them and we need to help people get into shelters or housing  discussion here before the council the mayor brought together a team of individuals and asked us to start looking at what are the options available to us and so you know some of the things that we took into consideration as we're going t this process was involving and discussing these options with a number of our community homeless service providers we really want to make sure that as we propose these options before we move forward them that we have a partnership that our service providers are on the same page as we are as we go forward some of the major concerns that we have as we're looking at some of these issues or options was security and that is a big issue when you develop additional or immediate immediate or emergency housing options for individuals wanted to make sure that we would also be able to incorporate things such as sanitation portable restrooms and showers to make sure that if we are going to develop emergency or immediate sheltering that there is sufficient sanitation available for those individuals as we move them into the shelters the furniture and fixtures is a big issue for us storage units  aware that the a c l u recently got into a settlement agreement with the city and county ana lou to store items that are being i guess recovered in the process of moving homeless individuals out of various different cabinets this is actually something that's happening throughout the nation and so this is something that we want to be ahead of the head of the problem or ahead of it before we have to actually enter into a settlement agreement with the a c l u so storage units is very important for us animal sheltering one of the things that carol and some of the other service providers have noticed is that a lot of the homeless individuals out there that are in our beach environments have animals they have dogs and so what do you do with these animals and it seems to be somewhat of a barrier to entry for some of these individuals because they don't want to leave their pets it's very important for them so animal sheltering was something that we also looked at and took into consideration and then obviously when you develop emergency housing there are administrative costs because someone has to manage that so the first option that we looked at and that we're going to present to you today as we can go forward was tense and this is you know one of the things that we looked at as a possible option for emergency sheltering  tense as you know you can see here they are very portable they're easy to set up there are relatively cheap but they offer little security and they're not very durable these tents really don't present very much of a dignified housing option for individuals but yet we wanted to present that so that you could see that we actually did in fact look at options for tents and there's many many different types of tents that are available out there you know to the community but we were looking for something that would be quick and easy and cheap to to put up the second option that we identified and looked at was something called the xo shelter which is by a company called reaction housing  and they're based out of austin texas they produce a emergency sheltering option which you see here it is a stackable option it is portable this unit can be moved by four individuals you can move a base and  there's a base you can't really see it here but that the shell would attach to and inside the shell you can have multiple different types of configurations what you see here is a four cot configuration this particular ekso shelter is about seventy two square feet in size internally and it does provide options for an electrical plug so an individual could charge a cell phone or utilize a laptop if they wanted to these units also have the option to add air conditioning if you wanted to add air conditioning but they do come with ceiling fans as well as the lighting internally the lighting there lockable they're secure they're essentially made out of a   cyclable plastic material so they they are very durable in terms of you can't just take like a knife and cut it open and break into it they also lock so these are secure environments and the life span for something like this is about five to ten years ten years being the maximum go to the next li and there's a recommendation the third option that we identified and looked at was something called a space it's developed by a company called space max and what they do is they provide they've created this highly mobile durable shelter that can easily and quickly be  deployed in different communities these particular units are highly configurable you can change them up you can modify the interiors to whatever it is that you like they have some preconfigured modules that they're able to quickly construct and deliver  there into the field the particular model that we looked at was something that would provide accommodations for up to sixteen individuals per unit this particular unit that we looked at has four separated bedrooms with four separate entrances has a as a window would have a door and it's also has internal electrical systems so that you can look at up to electricity has lighting recessed lighting and surface mount and lighting internally and it's an extremely durable option it's a very safe option the units themselves are very resistant to weather as well as to other elements so very good option it's very durable as i mentioned and it is wind rated up to eighty miles per hour and then once it's tethered if you do together it can be up to one hundred fifteen miles per hour so these do provide significant significantly more secure environment for individuals if you were to house them whereas the previous unit that we showed the axle unit we would have to tether it down i'm not sure we weren't able to get a wind rating on that particular unit go so if you can see here we did a quick comparison for you so you can see the three options that we looked at here in in one slide the lifespan of the tents it's about six to eight months when you get a tent if you're using it on a daily basis they don't they're not they're not going to last a long time they're not meant to last a long time in terms of constant constant use people going in going out opening the zipper you know it's going to wear and tear they're really meant for you know going out on the weekend and camping with the scots or you know just doing those kinds of excursions so very short lifespan security wise i'm sorry you know i'll go through the option to look at the xo it's about five to ten years in option three is about twenty plus years terms of security tents offer very low security they're going to protect you from the environment to a certain degree but in terms of protecting your your personal belongings that may be inside those tents does not provide for a lot of security so we rated that as an extremely low on the category of security whereas the xo provides an average level of security and the space is above average and primarily the difference there is that the xo unit is a it's kind of like if you can imagine a tupperware being kind of attached to a lid so in theory although it is locked it is possible for someone to break in to that particular piece of that particular domicile but it is a relatively safe and secure option option the space max is basically like a house so it's a very very secure environment it would take incredible amount of effort to break in of course you could smash in a window i guess us with anything you know but it is above average in terms of in terms of security  vertical expansion and what we're talking about here is stack ability so can you stack you know can you squeeze more into one space essentially obviously with the tent not possible with the axle unit it's not possible however with the space max unit that we're going to show you you can in fact stack it up to three storeys high so you could create in theory a small condominium or  you know housing complex so you can stack those the mobility and this is important because we want to be able to understand we don't want to move these units around if we have to relocate them if we have to obviously very mobile and pack them up you can take them around and move them wherever you want to the xo unit it is fairly easy as i mentioned four individuals can in fact pick these units up carry them and lay them down in any location that you'd like to place one of these units  power the axle unit does hook up to power and so does the space max unit living space really i mean you can get as ted as big as you want for this particular exercise we looked at tents that were anywhere between fifty to one hundred square feet in size  not a bad not a bad size in terms of living quarters the xo unit seventy two square feet the space max unit total maximum four hundred three square feet for the unit once it's fully deployed that equates to about  hundred square feet her bedroom for her domicile within that particular unit occupants so if you look at ten you know tents could be anywhere from four to six the axle unit is a maximum of four if you look at it there's four x in the x ray unit and in the space max option you can actually put four individuals into one of those bedrooms so you could have you know basically  s sixteen individuals total per per unit per space max unit sanitation it doesn't come to tents don't come with sanitation the xo does not but the space max does have the availability of sanitation so with that my that's kind of important is you know we can in fact order sanitation units that would be part of this package so in the event that we had to deploy these units in different areas we could have that as an option if we wanted to these particular sanitation units going to look up to either local utility or you can have external bladders that you can order with these units for pumping so it would be kind of like a portable toilets that we have currently presentation was passed out to you we're going to continue if you look at the installed cost the install cost for these units for tense is about three hundred dollars for unit again we average that out based on the particular test that we're looking at the xcel units delivered and installed or about seventeen thousand seven hundred seven and the space max units are about eighty eight seven delivered and installed and that would include site work that's necessary to power them and ensure that they're actually ready to be habit habitate inhabited by individuals scuse me the cost per bed if you look at the breakdown of the cost per bed it's about fifty dollars per bed for the tents forty four hundred dollars for the x so unit and about fifty five hundred dollars for the space max unit per bed and if you amortize that over the lifespan of the actual units the tens really don't pencil out so we didn't put that in there however the xo unit if we are to spread it over the ten year period it's about four forty three per bed and for the space max unit it's about two hundred twenty seven dollars per bed because these things last for more than twenty years so we spread that out over twenty years so our recommendation that we presented to the mayor and that he asked us and he agreed that we present to you here today is that we look at this particular product  produced by the space max organization these units they're highly mobile they're expandable and connectable so if you can imagine if we could connect in theory a number of these units  create one large domicile for individuals to live in they are durable and they have a long life span these will last for more than twenty years according to the manufacturer they're secured and they're safe  the doors are it's really like you're here in a house i mean it's a very safe environment for individuals it is housing with dignity these are not tents these are really like small portable condominiums with they don't have the bathrooms in them but they you know provide a very safe environment for individuals you can also fit them with air conditioning if you wanted to add air conditioning as an option but they do have windows in them so you can open the windows and provide for good  airflow within the units without having to have air conditioning they are highly configurable and they're reusable so what you see here this option that you see presented to you is just one configuration there's multiple different configurations of this particular u but this is the one that we have been looking at as an option for our needs they do have a low life span as in terms of the cost per bed if we amortize that over the lifespan i think i'd mention it was about two hundred twenty seven dollars for bed they are highly accepted these are highly accepted housing option amongst our service providers we did have some conversations with our service providers when we identified this particular option and they like it they think this is a good option this is a positive option that will attract people to want to shift from being homeless to you know being housed so this is something that was very important to us we want to make sure that whatever are presenting here is something that our service providers are going to be are going to accept the total estimated build out costs per site that's we're looking at about four units per site so for these units is about thirty five thirty three hundred fifty four thousand dollars for these four units per site and that would include site preparation delivery set up and any other utility connections that have to be conducted for this these do not have toilets in the middle c there's no restrooms in these facilit so it would not have to have a connection to water or sewer repair to looking at electrical and electrical connections for these particular units so for three sites which would include the family life center  local as well as their facility in la i know we're looking at about a million dollars just for the build up cost and construction costs for these particular sites and we estimate that in total if we do max it out  at sixty four people per site we're looking at one hundred ninety two individuals that may be housed within these particular units i'd like to mention that these units are also you know although they are temporary shelters they have a very long life span so they could potentially be permanent housing there is that option for that in addition these units are reusable so once let's assume that we solve this housing problem this homelessness problem and we now have bac units the county can then go and disassemble these units it takes about five minutes by the way to set up one of these units to set up is five minutes to actually have somebody living in them it takes about thirty minutes to do that so in theory we could go out pick these up collapse them and then store them and have them in the event that we have an emergency situation in the future let's say we have some kind of a disaster that occurs we have a or we have a hurricane down and down the road hopefully we never have that experience but if we do we have these as a backup scituate backup option for us to provide housing to our to our community and again they're easy to store because they compact into a very small footprint these units by the way are also being utilized by the military in various different applications there is in fact according to the manufacturer a complete village that has been created in the marshall islands actually as part of the part of the fences operations that they have out there so i think they have like sixty four units i think there are deployed right now as well as units deployed in various other locations  throughout the world so these are very durable this is not a it's not a new thing where you know they have been around for a while they've been around for a while they have proven technology so what you see here is just break out of the facility costs  as well as the operations and operations would include management of the facilities as well as additional cost for the utilities by putting additional individuals on these particular sites these service providers and then also we provide for some animal sheltering costs as well so we're looking at a total cost for this particular recommendation of option three of about one point seven million dollars so like to go so i do i just want to point out to all of you that what you're seeing is you know if you were presented or not this is not the whole spectrum of what we looked at we looked at everything from reboot the buses to getting all mats in containers a lot of things that were looked at me tossed out this is what we think is our final what we're looking at that seems to be the most reasonable combination the answer is yes we do and we had discussions about that but in a lot of discussions with the agencies that have to work with this tense one that is the lowest  again once we get direction from us to do what you're looking at then we can go forward with it that's why those options but combinations are a possibility and the only reason chair i was asking that question is because that in my mind i i to see more of a phase where ok you have the temporary and then you have you know i guess we want to phase and then to permit it some time and then the influx of population that may or may not occur so you probably need something more i guess at what we'd say a lower standard at some point when you if you do have a population increase and i'm not sure how that whole phasing process would work comes from  next part of the discussion will answer a lot of those questions ok this is only the for the immediate first phase we do have a transitional and some discussion about more print ok thank you j would that be just added we took that into consideration council member actually we had that conversation with the service providers and they believe they have the ability to handle the additional individuals on site they might need some improvements which is incorporated into into these numbers so these numbers would be would include more facilities for bathing and sanitation purposes etc primarily it's a feeding is what we understood comes member as we get into the transitional and  the more permanent housing some of your questions will be answered because the sites you're looking at right now we're looking at expanding some of those sites with more permanent facilities as well so the creation of the center facilities and the other amenities that need to be added on you'll see that they're they're going to be worked on as well and part of the little budgeting so again i'm going to point out that this is going to be an expensive venture by the time we're done this is only the first part of it so let's continue to the intermediate and the long term and you'll be able to see a lot of these questions will be answered we've discussed this with the mare you and i and so i mean where of it by just one of the public to understand that this is just a starting point and you've mentioned that a couple times and more importantly you know already these areas especially why ali is very taxed as far as people and i situation of people and you know of having you know they having their challenges so i just want to make sure that all of this is ok with them and secondly that you know we are able to provide dignity   i guess to fall back on our our previous fires the much terry issues but i think it's a good stopgap measure for right now i think it's something that if it's one hundred ninety two people off the streets and giving them an opportunity to have shelter i'm all for it i can tell you right now i don't like that and so you know i'm not going to support any tents at all i think that's really not something i would want i don't think camping i don't want to live in a tent before being honest what i'm talking about when factor so i think the latter two would be very i mean the one i agree mr goodman may be a combination so we can spend more money we have more for a bigger bang for our buck if that's what the word you want to safire i think it makes sense definitely to invest in this i like the idea that if we do that we could use the long term because i don't think this problem the political way anytime soon it's been with us for a long time and it just keeps growing so you know we can intervene but i don't think we're going to get rid of it so if we have facilities that we can invest in it that's good but i'd like to see the whole thing it seems like there's a lot of information thank you and i wouldn't know if  would like to point out that one of the key considerations that we have to work with is the state and federal requirement of housing first so we have to we have to be looking at creating real state that's so that that's one of our key concerns too i think the other thing is we have to act quickly and this would be quick thank you thank you chip co chair if i could just add a couple of quick notes on these particular options the units we were told by the manufacturer that we would not be able to receive any units for up to three months due to i guess there are some delays in manufacturing however the space max units they could have them here on site i think by the end of december is what they're telling us oh ok ok please proceed and most anyone else has questions so in addition to the immediate sheltering options that we just presented to you we've also reached out to our service providers to see how we can help them expand their existing facilities so before you we have the first one is a family life center to purchase the building that's in j sent to them the cost would be a pox minutely one million four hundred twenty thousand dollars and the operational costs would be going to forty five dollars it would service at least eighty individuals family life center also has an option to refurbish an existing building on lower main street it would create eighteen units rentals at a cost of two point five million dollars and the operational costs would be nine because it would be offset by rental income and it could house up to fifty individuals mental health kokura they service a very special group those with mental illnesses and chemical dependency and they would like to create two safe havens in my local one in market street and one in vineyard street the operational costs would be four hundred thousand dollars for both of  a proposal to refurbish two of their buildings that would create twenty eight units and those who would be run tolls at a cost of one point two million and one point eight million that would service approximately seventy four individuals so before you we have an expansion plan for various nonprofits totaling six point nine million in cost to build and seven hundred forty five a building that is currently rentals that the building used with the church organization and the the currently use it part time in coordination with the church so that's a building right next to theirs their existing facility existing building on lower theme is that currently in rentals just the question is whether we're taking in each of these existing options and whether the the work that we're akio i remember the last discussion they had a building that they were able to rebuild and such where they would expand the number of people that could be housed in the building it's not clear on the slide whether  whether we're increasing that capacity or not if you could share with us what what the status of the two we building a building nine is night building nine currently is the story so it is not you so it is definitely an expansion of twelve units and building eight is right now used as a child care facility so we're definitely increasing that's right adjacent to it it's vacant right now and in fact is in the process of trying to liquidate a lot of its properties so we'll be coming to you with a proposal to acquire  space for park as well as who are additional housing and expansion of the homeless area as well as to create a big parking lot over there been talking about for years so that we could try and alleviate some of the traffic jam  parking in my natal as well as a corridor for the road so that's all in the negotiation right now and as soon as we have something to live with more for the coming to you for that but the area right adjacent to or to the existing on the shelter we're looking at that for the expansion of the homeless shelter area you know you'll notice that what we've been trying to do is we've been trying to work primarily with existing shelters for sed and get areas where the homeless are congregating currently where we have programs because that's the easiest for us to start and well we wanted to start with the easiest in the most accessible in the the fastest if we can work with but again i point out of the very beginning this is not the end product this is a start it is going to take a lot more work and we're going to have to look at acquiring other properties and acquiring other buildings and contraption well if we're going to be able to look at the housing programs but i just want to let you know that that's what we're looking at and that's why we're trying to acquire some of these properties expand as well so in addition to the immediate in transition all type of housing we have also investigated i mean expanding upon workforce housing and of course the creation of new homes is essential to that but we do have a proposal from the free three million dollars they can appear to seven homes we furbished them within a forty six month timeframe and doing what they do best they will be able to recycle those to refurbish an additional thirteen more homes so that three million dollars to acquire twenty homes that will be housing situation sam i understand the whole mess an unnecessary need for them to have services and so essential my i doubt you know is a very good site but when you start looking at the rest workforce housing is it all basically a game essentially we're hoping to go out to other districts to give them an opportunity we're starting here but we are looking at all the districts and the site that i talked  essential molly i'd like to see other districts having that same opportunity that this program has been one that's been in existence for a number of years understood there would be much cherry picking the most cost effective project that i wanted to talk about a little bit and that is an opportunity that was brought to us the property that we currently have set down before you to consider purchasing if we actuate that exchange they are still willing to give us the fourteen acres across the street on the side of that shopping complex so the challenge that we have right now we  for is we want to try to develop that affordable housing but the c c and r s there prohibit us from doing affordable housing so if we can either sell that or we can take part of it and we can treat it if we trade value for value the three i'm looking at is having that area turned over to the nonprofit agencies and creating a nonprofit agency center fairly similar to what cameron center does in creating a new can be a area for the nonprofit agencies to be able to build their programs out of as well as construct affordable housing projects within within the dearth different non profits but that's a and it would run to where it's the church is going to be built about fourteen acres yeah yeah that'll the whole section or every section that's what you're referring to right what look my thought process on this is that a lot of the nonprofit scattered and lot of the agencies are scattered so forced a client to be able to access the different services they have to go from place to place to place and it's very confusing because hardly anybody knows where all the different non cameron doing it would be county doing it making it available to the non profits you know we over the over the years almost every nonprofit has come to us for bits and pieces of county property and we've allowed them to build a lot of the scrap pieces that we've had  do the trade we could sell it or we could create something on it but it's like marshall makes us right now i'm not saying i know exactly what it is i'm just saskia do we have any plans always just doing this really to get the fourteen acres and the three acres is like  servicing up to seven hundred forty people injured fifty three units and servicing up to one thousand one hundred seventy seven individuals what we need that we need to be able to do with it our community we're finding that we're having a lot of challenges with the homeless and being able to have a sense of security within our community as well and one of the challenges is that many of the homeless seem to be feeling very empowered to do a lot of really crazy things that we really should not be allowing and what we're what we're looking at is to create some bentonite nuisance laws that the police can actually vote and be able to say you shouldn't do this so it's really commonsense you know we should be we shouldn't be allowed to be  places doorsteps and on other people's property so that's one of the prohibition is that we want to be able to put in a young lawful consumption a position of intoxicating liquid liquors within municipal parking shopping carts that should be an automatic but we're seeing a lot of this proliferating in the shopping carts are ending up all over the place so you see him alongside the street you see him in the bushes you see them all over the previously relating to lying down on public sidewalks this is one of the growing areas that i'm very concerned about where we actually have people sleeping on our sidewalks or on the right panhandling we've had some reports where the people feel very very afraid because people have actually come up to them when they're in their cars and you know late at night something that we want to be able to have some kind of control over and all of these are going to require some discussion as to what we want to do but and it's also going to require us to start the housing projects so that there are options for  people to have so this is working in conjunction with what we're trying to do overall with the what they will mr program one cannot go without the other ok we've got to be able to provide living quarters and we have to be able to provide really people are going to have to be someplace so if we don't give them an option they have no no real recourse except to be doing these things either legally or improperly but if we do give them an option then we should not be allowing these things and i think it's also important to note that these nuisance laws they apply to everyone right is not only to one segment of the population that so these apply to everyone so you know we're not developing these nuisance laws  to you know target one segment i mean this is really just these are things people should not be doing we receive a number of complaints especially about blocking public walkways sidewalks where individuals are living across walks and their refused to move and that's a concern for us because it's getting people from being able to get through the community walk through the community so we want to address those kind of things and again this is more of  a public safety public health and safety type legislation that we're going to be proposing so once the laws are in place our police and park brain gers are ready to start enforcement we also have a five step inter agency and to vacate areas in clean up areas now it says within a one month time doesn't mean we're going to clean up everything within a one month time frame but with each campsite it would we have a plan to go in do a site serve notice to vacate cleanup and then do some follow up so the the last element is the creation of a home this program under the department of housing and human concerns the costs would be to set up operations one hundred thousand and four employees hundred thirty two thousand foot tall well annual operating budget of two hundred thirty two thousand dollars so we're proposing three positions the first is the homeless program coordinator somebody to look at the overall picture work with all of our service providers and come up with a plan to that we can implement moving forward in all areas the second position is a housing development specialist and this is really somebody who has development skills and can help to navigate through the rules and regulations in the permitting and all of that and of course we need office assistant to provide adman services coordination the creation of overall position would allow us as someone who was working on this full time and be able to actually coordinate a lot of the nonprofit efforts toward homeless we don't have such a position right now and the housing it's been a good sort of mine for a really long time you know we talk about creating housing the partners housing and he would concerns but there's no one in the housing division that really is responsible for creating affordable housing and so the directors as they've been coming in are deputy directors have assumed that role but we really need a professional there that works with development industry and knows the development industry so that they can coordinate a lot of these the housing that's needed in the affordable housing category so it's one of those areas that you know to for you know we we sort of been lucky if we get a director that understands how to create housing and how to work through the regulations in the because we haven't ever had anyone that was directly related to the development industry that really understood those rules so it's kind of been learned by the c e o and to try and work through when you're in charge of a program and it doesn't make as we need somebody that actually can do this full time that understands the industry has the training for it if not that's pretty much what we want to present to you today and let's we have a final slide here which essentially shows what we're suggesting and what we're going to be recommending to the council because we do need to take and we do need to move forward on a number of these particular things that we've presented to you recommendations that we've presented to you and as you can see here it's not an inexpensive issue to resolve it is going to take some funding and is going to take a lot of funding in fact if we were to add up everything that we've presented here today it's a little shy of about thirteen million dollars so and that includes you know everything from the immediate short term which  you were to look at the total short term costs of the programs we presented to you it's about two point seven and if you look at the mid to long term recommendations that's an additional about ten point two million dollars in funding required so what you see before you is essentially a plan that we put together that's going to address both the immediate needs as well as more of a mid to long term need for the community so again these are these are going to be our requests to the council to help us support and move forward in addressing this homeless issue in our community and i will continue to stress this is a starting point you know working with the oem was not going to be inexpensive so trying to be able to take care of some of these areas it is going to require at least some real serious money to it if we're not going to put serious money to it we may as well not do it at all because we're not going to have the desired results that we need so this is something for all of you to consider if you consider this important enough to put it on the top of your priority list than we have to expend this these kinds of funds and again if you look at the numbers that we're trying to we're trying to help now you know we have approximately eighteen hundred only sort of houseless and shelters on shelter and we're looking at working with about four hundred with this with these and that's about of money so it's going to be very expensive as we go through and we're taking the low hanging fruit right now so it's going to be it's going to take and require much more as we go as we continue to work at this process just  flat statement that we can't be able to accomplish what we need to accomplish without the proper support so i wouldn't be asking you for your support and i'm fairly certain that all of you have heard to the community that this is an area that everybody considers very important but if any of you have any better suggestions for us and to our ideas we're more than happy to entertain them we're continuing to reach out to a various non profits  anyone else who can talk to us about different types of programs or different approaches and we would take those into consideration and this is what we've come up to this point as a starting point apiece come back to order and members before we proceed with questions i'd just like to refresh everybody's memory that the under the governor's proclamation which will last until i believe around december fifteenth we are able to shorten the time of notice for committee meetings and for council meetings so just of the people in the  if it's if it's require that we are appropriate for us to give two days notice then that's what we'll do we'd like to give as much notice as we can but based on the time frame within which we will need to act and if we have to act before december fifteenth the council stands ready to make whatever accommodations are appropriate so with that open the floor for questions and i believe mr and i believe initiative that is really necessary necessitated with the trying times we're in at this point and i just would like to say that i can support this i can i can believe that this will be like you had mentioned earlier our starting point i'm good with that the only concern i have is again we seem to congregate or really put everything in central mali again i understand the fact that you know in cali which would be where smiley there's nothing being done for solved in and other areas at this point which also has a homeless problem i was there you were and i would there at a park yesterday and we saw a lot of them that are there and i don't know if we're going to get them to leave south my week to come to central mali for this housing you know i gain my concern is i don't mind doing what we're doing and this is a starting point but let not me route the other districts where you live you know we don't have a dwelling it's a different part of the different perspective so i gain i can accept this and i just want the other districts to know that i will look to help when any way possible for other districts to have the same ability to take care of their needy in their particular areas member rest assured what i said this is the beginning we have to start someplace the locations that we have where the most readily available the easiest to work on doesn't mean that we're ignoring any of the other districts is  pointed out there are about eighteen hundred people that are in this whole slew situation so we're taking care of about four hundred of that eighteen hundred so we've got a long way to go to be able to do a complete program but i have to start someplace and you know if i came to you and i said well we need two hundred million dollars you probably shoot me for for being impractical so i try to work with it and will test it out to see how it works and as we slowly it proves itself that will install the expand and it is going to mean we have to acquire properties is going to mean we have to work a lot more partnerships but we have to start where we could start and then will slowly get into a lot of the others these properties that we talked about have the ability to allow us to expand the programs are now others may not have the ability would not have to find different i have a question which our intent for your recommendation of space max might understand that the recommendation for option three is to construct the space yes and with that as is the funding only from our county funds are there other funds out there that could help us to right now we're looking primarily at county f dispersed some of it but in reality the total amount of the state budget was about million a half so this is not going to go very far at all and for the for practical purposes we're going to we're going to have  to a lot more money than than what state is ok to my understanding is the governor would and their group will be trying to get more funding and to be able to build the size of the program but when we had discussions with them you know we pretty you you mentioned three positions for the new supposedly homeless division within the department specialists but more a housing development specialists that can help navigate builders who are trying to provide the kind of units that we for our families here as well as for the homeless and i have a question in regards to the homeless program coordinator we already have a department  the division within your department i guess is raymond where you have oversight over the grants that we allocate to various non profits and most of the service providers receive quite a bit of dollars from us from the county and for us to have another layer would that would a consideration given for to have better oversight from the existing positions that we have instead of creating a new position for this i'm going to turn your soon you question well most of our service providers are nonprofits who receive quite a bit of dollars from the county whether it's from your department or from another department and  my question is as to how do you have oversight for those nonprofits today if if it is that you need a coordinator a new position to have oversight over the council and right now we have a we have a lot of grants the oversight is pretty much of of issuing grants there is no record nation of all the different programs into a homeless program  that being overseen by anyone as it is an entity of homelessness that's what we're trying to create the different grant program where we have segments of the of the nonprofit community one does one thing another there's another thing that that grant process we do have people but to look at the entire homeless situation and coordinate all the different programs into one coordinated program at one time we had a former council member going around to all the homeless camps and talking to the various homeless people but that office and these individuals would be tasked primarily with helping as the mayor said to coordinate our homeless efforts much like how we currently have divisions that address other social issues and concerns such as immigration senior services and and such so it's at this point in time i will tell you we don't have one individual coordinating the separate will really the director myself and a number of other senior management individuals within the county are currently tasked with overseeing this and putting this together so it's very time consuming sure director rhymin would agree with that yes and so we really believe that because this is such a big problem and this is something that we need to tackle and that is something that we need to coordinate all the efforts of all the various different organizations we need this coordinator to help us with that process thank you further questions ok i miss my son  like a lot i like it because i think it can happen quickly and i think that's really important you know i think that we've done a lot of talking about a lot of time and everybody's doing a lot of talking but i think t our hands around the project can actually put it up in the time that we're talking about it would be would go a long way to showing that we're all committed and we want to do this and yes we can do this also it gives people hope and i'm somebody and nobody and who is responsible to say i'm going to do with this homeless program and i understand it you know the division has an awful lot of responsibility and right now we have a crisis  additional people that are going to focus on it are justified my concern is i know how the hiring process works and i'm really worried because i'm looking at the budget and i'm really concerned i don't know how you're going to find a specialist who knows how to do this housing and building and work with contractors and you know the whole gamut of how you get housing done and i don't know if you're going to be able to find one person for what you have budgeted much worse and i understand the hiring practices are very difficult because you know we know we come up with job descriptions and oh goody every time we talk to personnel about this i go crazy because it takes for if we can get into a hiring process quickly could we give this money to a nonprofit and put a specialist there and that specialist can work with you because they can hire quickly nonprofits get hired quickly  don't have both this nonsense that we have and you might be able to get somebody really good also it would be short term you and if they were about being married to them forever or creating something and then getting rid of it you might want to look in partnering with a non profit that does housing and give them some additional people to take on craziness for you so it's just an idea the other thing was about the state money i'm still giggling about it one in a half million dollars for this day emergency is the emergency to put one and a half million dollars i'm really sorry it's just a token amount and then to have heard that it isn't coming to maui that makes me even more upset so i think if we're go these little things which are all important and many of them but we want to see which ones could be done quickly which ones do was more bang for dollar to get people off the consultants engineers or other people in order to implement some of these things but i would like to see the first one of the sink tours at least some money given for or questions for the administration just to make sure you know and i thank my colleagues because they did cover a number of areas that i had concerns especially the personality issue i tend to agree maybe an outside but having someone who can focus on and i think is very important i mean no fish to mr reagan he has all the obligations same thing with mr reiman of course the mayor doesn't have much to do so we could have him really be it's more dignified and you specie want to walk who is spending the money they're spending with containers in which is almost identical to what we're talking about and process they've gone through and again day just the tip of the iceberg same thing what we're doing here but i think with our non profits working with us and the other dine i want to wanted to maybe mention mr sharon and me or maybe something we can consider is finding a developer of developers who would like to do this for us in lieu of crits we've done that we've got that kind of incentive so let's see if there's a developer a developer would like to come in and do it all for us and they get crits for free to use on developments that they may want to bring forward or some of those that are sitting out there that might be another option which that year i mean with thinking out of the box right now let's let's let's consider something like that i'm not sure if it works but i think anything's possible wherever we can get some a developer or developers to come out and say yeah i'll take it i'll take that chunk out buy it at i'll do it and but you know and you get credits year for my development later on as part of the workforce all affordable well i don't know how you classify this but i think  work hand in hand sole again we talk about incentives all the time to help developers get going but taking care of the needs of our most vulnerable so it's a part of our society which is this group here but also maybe now the work force and others king king tag let's get something done and i really believe this is the time when we've got our nonprofits what it's calio or family life or any of these we're sitting there waiting to help let's join hands and let's get it done and we'd like that very much to do so what god really like to do is i'd like to get your tentative approval to expend some of these funds in whatever you approve housing to be able to buy some of these products and get in here we need to approve that we can start that process today and i'll well i think i think you've gotten the sense that the majority counsel is is willing to move but wilson i don't think we can we can give tentative approach you know i did i mean i just i just wanted to get a real good sense of where you are because i'm moving to work on it today and just get you numbers i'll get you something that you can approve formally and if you can expedite and get some of these approved then you know we can order and we can get to get things rolling right away if you're just sort of the public understands  are ready to mold committee meetings with short notice we would like to provide as much notice as we can and if we can we'll provide the normal six day notice but if it's something that is of immediate nature members that i get to names to jank when yourself we're willing our hands open we're willing to work hard and get it done at a very at the most expedient manner we can so that just we will do that we'll get it done this quickly as we can i think i think the one item that i don't feel necessarily has everyone's support is is creating the three new positions when i look and look out of this room you got plenty of people plenty of horse power that is obviously ready to go we've had a number of staff people here i know that the management division has taken on other projects similar to this and i'm sure they stand ready to aid in whatever way they can agree with miss by sir mr victory know that if we're going to move quickly that may need to be that we would look to the not profit sector to provide some of that coordination and assistance office so please pass our thanks on him with that thank you very much and have a happy thanksgiving