to make one correction on mr kuria to leave under the hidden broke development page ten you made a comment about liability i think the word know what is missing from your statement well if you s to make a long story short or wrote in the short these boys were playing in a dumpster which i do not condone yourself but as a result of their frolicking around in there they discovered a number of boxes that contain jory and coins and one of the boxes had an address on it the boys took the materials home and had their grandmother call nine one one and we were able to return the property to the owner so their honesty integrity deserves to be a good knowledge and that's why we're here tonight well this citation reads peter starts a police department citation distinguished community service award to jacob holmes and william fed on april eighteenth two thousand and fourteen the police department responded to a complaint a proper found property a carry chill dr upon arrival the officer discovered that two boys were playing in a dumpster and they had found a couple of boxes containing coins precious metals and costume jewelry one of the boxes did have a name and address on it they returned home and asked her grandmother to contact the police so the property could be returned these two boys responsible for returning property of an undetermined value to its right owner their honesty integrity and concern for others they didn't know even know where but there are misty integrity in concert for others they did the i don't even know except boys behavior we all should strive for their concern for the welfare of others but non agenda item and these are limited to five minutes do we have anyone who would like to speak on a non agenda item one once or twice  agenda the consent agenda the purpose of this item is to prove the efficiency of our meeting and to avoid having people wait for items that apparently require little or no discussion these will be acted with one motion any item can be taken off this agenda and acted separately if any council member or audience member desires the items on the consent agenda tonight are one or two special permits to sunshine relay for memorial day weekend car show tensile starting june fourteenth a special permit to number two a special permit to century sports for sidewalk sale this weekend number three resolution zero five zero one fourteen approving sewerage plant modules for field stone plant for ten taylor builders and finally item number four resolution oh five zero two one for approving storage planting modules for the  estates planned for arnold wood estates lp is there anyone like to remove an item from the consent agenda mr chairman i'd like to separate items one into from the other three and four documents that were presented and i just wanted to check through to make sure the signatures were as we normally expect them to be so for fieldstone sewage facility resolution it appears that in order to try to make a motion to approve resolution zero five zero one fourteen so a further discussion more time so that you know by the provisions in that original agreement that are not standing any longer well i think yeah there are a number of things really agreement that will probably need to be modified either because of the time or are there not applicable without reference to leasing explained to me that there was no lease any longer right at the time we entered into a lease agreement with the tennis association the property was owned by the the number one appointment of an architect to design a replacement ampitheater in peter's wood park we received seven proposals from architectural firms to look at replacing   the one for that submitted proposal architecture innovation their costs were significantly lower then and everybody else we did interview them we were somewhat familiar with the firm even though we did not we and we're recommending architecture  developing a list of things to show that we're going to so i think there's definitely some improvement there can be made to this is a great site and it's a great venue and certainly i think it could obviously need some improvement but i think there's other things that could be done to even make it better first of all right so any other comments questions move we were the contra  we were charged to look at contracting that service outsourcing the operation and and as i said to work for him we first started looking into it we weren't sure how well that would but as we get it got into we felt that probably would be the best way to go we did we see proposals from three firms and they they are a green seven technology an ideal integration of our initial thinking is that we probably would need to have somebody on site and around sixteen hours a week to be able to do all of b and we discussed this in more detail at the workshop that's why it's your chairman just to clarify for the residents in the minutes you indicated that a t c would be more cost efficient they're actually ten percent more than the next peter but you have the reasons for recommending those yes the other one better is a very small company basically three employees to more technicians  may harm all and myself and paul and working on to go out for proposals for conference of march and recreation planned when we wanted to make sure we had gotten input from counsel before we finalize and sent it out and there's any questions or comments that you may have yes we tell you the proposals from forty five different companies yet for playground options are we getting one of them to give us three designs what we is there some sort of material all over the concrete i mean the the the i wouldn't know what it is is a rubberized poor rubberized surface ok there's two types of services you could either go with the they would approve the bid to play in part structures for the design one price forty eight thousand one ninety eight thirty five based on that and we've we've been through this before with the regulations and because of the nature of it he would still be required to pay local or an income tax and i know it's confusing to a lot of personally sounds like five zero again finally last i don't want to new business collective bargaining agreement with the international association of firefighters local number forty seven late april when you were twenty eight but we continued to negotiate and and based on that we were we believe we have a contract that we're recommending to council it's a five year term and one of the the as you do the five year terms it would extend out time for potential arbitration as you know under one level it's binding arbitration so that's always sort of a wildcard as to what you end up with so we think supposed to be the center for volunteers it also gives our son more flexibility in staffing it and that it reduces the number of full time firefighters that have that have to be a twenty four hour schedule for us to be able to put people on a ten hour daylight schedule and allows these part timers to fill in on that twenty four hour schedule whole time period increases the rate in first year two and a half and then two three quarters for the other three years and then it also in year three increases the the rate for coeds for additional work is resulting on us and you already basis for time fire firefighters shall be called first correct my concern is in the reason i'm asking is that we mandated to the chief that he should use part time people more consistently does this create a situation for him that's going to create over time well any time you have call up you're going to have overtime produces only for call outs when somebody calls off basically schedule with this is four years ago if you have somebody calls on an hour or two hours before their shift starts and we need to fill somebody so we would go through that process and the thing we put in here to is you know we go through that process were not meeting minimal staff because i understand what you're saying but the point i'm saying is is that by me indicating that a full time person is being called guaranteed it would be tough if a part time persons available wouldn't that be a more cost us about a commitment to have a certain number of full time people when we talked in the budget meetings council treat with the chief that we should mix that up and it harm or part timers does this create a situation that will the only question is if people are working a twenty four hours a good job how many people are permitted to work the ten hour shift so now it takes six full time they get people to work to ten hours good job but the mix of part time and full time is really into the township ok so that's a clear understanding ok and the other thing i had a question about we agreed to increase the uniform allowance and i know it's not very much money but based on what you listed for what they do i mean they work eight days a month see if i just wonder what the rationale was or have you know for costs going up do they spend that money every year  right i had asked because the memorandum of understanding was an attached if you were going to bring that i didn't see  have to be working the twenty four hour schedule to all of our people to work the ten hours get all that existed as a separate document so when we created the new contract document rather than they have two pieces of paper out there situation for five years i'm trying to make sure that i understand everything i'm a little uncomfortable about some of the language i see what you're saying about your eliminating the memory of understanding of the contract of the body of the document all those in favor say  everything out of course foreigners you would like to discuss this point out that there is a letter from penned we are going to give you a check for just under twenty thousand dollars we would not be able to get funds if we were opt out try to apply on a room and move then we remain peters township remains in the urban county program to try to go in and one here go and eliminate a lot of these long dead end road and put some type of turn around and last year we did valleyview drive and this year we were looking story what we'd like to do and we as mike explained last year on value he were able to work with the property owners to kind of reconfigure it in these older neighborhoods we can never retrofit in a standard eighty foot diameter cul de sac like we have in today's world so we always have to try to come up with something a little bit unique and what we've been doing is we've been doing sixty four call the sax like if you call  and they both seem to understand that the project is needed and they're fairly cooperate from that standpoint to put the the one manager that will be impacted the most has mentioned a dollar figur they have won to district level you know they're there they have no intent to go in and pay for we are they are looking to see if they can find some funds to at least pay portions of it you know we've  also are working through the center of smith's office and i know they have spoken with the department to see if something can be done because we it is it is basically the worst road in the township and we continue to get complaints from from