good evening i'm charles clarke chair the planning board welcome to the tuesday may eighth two thousand and eighteen meeting of the planning board before i do anything else i should introduce the staff and the members of the playing board on  cindy and tom played there jeffery we'll welcome everyone this evening we have a public hearing on forty nine carlton road which is a two story addition to the front of the house the second item on our agenda is a discussion of the belmont high school building project that will be followed by a debriefing on town meeting that just happened in which we'll discuss the g r amendments in the marijuana moratorium that will be followed by updates of potential cases and planning board projects for the rest of the year one of those the discussions this evening will actually be spencer will discuss  present to us on the regional talk with bike share system that will be coming into place this summer so that being said we'll open up the public hearing for forty nine karl rove does the applicant want to come forward and make the presentation of going to open the public hearing noticed this year by given that the planning board belmont planning board will for four special permits under section one point four four five point four of the zoning bylaws to alter a nonperforming structure front setback chrome road twenty feet allowed fifteen point three feet existing and proposed front setback branch showed road twenty feet allowed twelve point five existing and proposed side setback ten feet allowed six point seven existing and proposed a number of stories two and a half allowed three and a half existing and proposed in order to construct a two stor addition in the front of the home facing carolled road at forty nine golden road located in the general residen that oh there we go already good evening diane miller from miller design and yes we are here is seeking a special permit to do a two story addition front addition on the home that is currently an existing non conforming structure with the four nonconformity that were just described the how family had purchased this home in two thousand and twelve at the time they did not have any children they now have two young children and they also have parents that visit them frequently and will often stay for several weeks and so the house currently is one thousand five hundred seventy two square feet t l a the proposed addition is two hundred ninety two square feet so this would increase the t l a to one thousand eight hundred sixty four it's also currently a three bedroom home and what we're looking to do is increase it to four bedrooms to better accommodate their growing family the proposed a distance addition is essentially an extrapolation of the existing massing which has a hip roof and we're sort of pulling that mean hip roof forward and taking what is currently this sort of tacked on one storey front study volume with the awkward side entrance side from the front door is a side entrance and so we're taking that structure we're sort of filling in around and above it so that we are creating a more cohesive and more more uniform massing and then on in the new front facade we are proposing a living room box window that would have three windows with a double window above it and then a new front door on the left side and the front door would have a new front porch with stairs that orient themselves toward the front street so in general the sort of palette of features that we're using is very consistent in this neighborhood i have included in the packet i think it's twenty photos of other homes around them that have these same features recurring over and over again with the box window in the double in the door and and the hip roof so we're really trying to create something that looks much more uniform and much more consistent with that current vernacular and the second point that i wanted to make is that it is a fairly small project as far as these things go it is under the three hundred square foot threshold that was recently just established at a town meeting last week so it's two hundred ninety two square feet in the home itself is actually fairly modestly sized even with this proposed addition and is certainly consistent with the other homes in the neighborhood in terms of the vernacular but also in terms of the size and so for those reasons we feel like it is really not detrimental to the neighborhood in fact i think it's going to be huge improvement i think it's going to fit in much better than it does currently and it will have better materials and finishes and just sort of a cleaner look the other point that i wanted to make is that we have included a landscape plan that we worked on with spencer and we're introducing some more foundation plants along the front and keeping many of the existing plants that they are gardeners and do have a lot of plants throughout the back and side of the property already the last point that i wanted to make is that the how family did share these plans with their neighbors and they received tremendous support from their neighbors so i have a petition that i will give to you guys that was signed by many of their neighbors and then they also have one of their butters immediately across the street from them who is here this evening also hoping to speak in support the project so that's have a broad overview if you guys have more specific questions i can certainly address those but i'll bring these up to now and open up for discussion i believe we're going to do the  of the neighborhood analysis you'll notice that this is the same neighborhood that was used for fifty three raleigh which is a previous case that was just around the corner and then also fifty fifty in raleigh which was in the same neighborhood as well you'll notice that the the use is single family which is the average use for the neighborhood the lot size is slightly larger than the neighborhood average it's a little shy of sixty one hundred square feet and the neighborhood average is fifty seven hundred square feet the existing t l a is fifteen hundred seventy two square feet which is one hundred and fifty square feet below the neighborhood average of seven hundred twenty two which is that's the average for single family homes in the neighborhood the proposed t l a is eight hundred sixty four which is two hundred forty two square feet of the single family havard average for the neighborhood the f a are as exists as zero point two six which is lower than the neighborhood average for single families which is point three one and the neighborhood average overall which is point four the proposed f a r is point three one which is exactly on par with the neighborhood average  single family homes the number of existing data rooms is three which is the average for single family homes and the proposed number of bedrooms is four which is the average for the neighborhood as a whole and lastly the number of stories is before the playing board begins our discussion is there any member of the public that would like to speak proposal come to the microphone come to the microphone introduce yourself and let us know what you think although i'm an ideal i live it fifty six riley which is right across the street from my neighbors who are here tonight and then their fifteen years love the neighborhood raised my daughter there and i've seen their plans and think they're lovely actually i think it would add to the neighborhood quite a bit and i'd like to see if we can do what we can to keep them in the neighborhood while they raise their children and they need more space so any questions i can answer no we're five we're going to listen to you is there anybody else who'd like to speak  you know a number of interesting problems with it i wonder if you considered however putting an addition on the back of the house a single storey full suite with a bathtub full bath in the back of the house was that i didn't read anywhere that i know you considered putting two stories in the back but you've got a big backyard and not so many complicating zoning issues with the diane miller miller design and we did consider that and it's been such a long time that i forget the exact details as to why that didn't work out very well and i'm going to look at the plants and i think it really had to do with the flow of the space and the not wanting to cut off the living space from the are the kitchen in the dining room in that dockery from the yard and i don't remember if i'm going to have to you'll have to give me a second here to look at i know that there were other because i think in the very beginning they actually sketched out some ideas trying to do that and it really just didn't work so let me see if i can remember what else it was i think even looking at this a plant even doing that would still have because it's a long narrow lot even over here addition would still have required approval because of the non conforming both at the branch should set back and the side set back so we would have still had it at least those two nonconformity are i looked at it and started measuring things out and you you would have arguably you could do it without the setbacks but realistically you would need at least a set back on the right side of the house to do i thought it would be a less expensive option and it would give you a full bath because you're now putting four bedrooms on the top floor with one bath which seems i don't know that  having to extend for special permits for i've done that zoning before it will mean for so many extend i had a project that had three special permits and one variance that they approved i think it i mean it really depends on the specifics can i back up for one more comm your question earlier the other thing that i think was attractive to us about the front addition as opposed to the rear addition is that it in addition to expanding the living space which they need it also takes advantage of the opportunity to improve the front because i'm sure you guys drove by and like that at the the front is not great with the front entrance and sort of the look from the street so i think it was a combination of both of those  well that requires four special permits so there are three set back issues and one story issue and in addition to that it's pushing the whole house further out into the front into the street which is going to make for a jagged tooth for sure so that the fifth complication there are a few homes that have torches in the front pushed out a little bit but this would push that whole front facade out to the street set back is not any more than it is currently so we are extending the existing fifteen three ling it to the corners right kind of filling in all the rest of it work and so one of the issues is that now one of your house which is basically the foundation is going to be lined up with the other foundations in the neighborhood and i believe jeffrey that's one of the design criteria we do see the potential though for other houses in the neighborhood wanting to do the same thing in the nonconformity being increased in the neighborhood and chile but you know i looked at extending beyond that i would be more concerned but i think we're just filling out that for your first floor and adding a second floor so i  so you are ready so if you are if they were coming to you and there was no one story four in the front and they wanted to do this addition i would think of it a lot differently but the fact that there's already that non conforming there yes they are extending that non conformity but they're not asking to go another five feet into the front yard setback so i think it it's thinking about it from a whether it's presence setting in other locations in this neighborhood or or otherwise if they if it was a case where they were coming in to add two new stories to the front they got that that's a different case as my concern about this edition is big since this is on a corner lot it's the break in they facades of the along the whole street makes this stick out even more because you you can't avoid it it's not it's not in the middle of the block it's on the corner it sticks out further than every other house on that side of the street times we're bringing it forward which i think creates issues in terms of this i would like i would suggest that the applicant rethink about rethink this and see if it's reasonable to do something in the back that's on that and you know and so we won't talk about anything else we just talk about that on a basic conceptual  design does it make sense to have a meeting off line like we've done on other projects or do you want to just do it was spencer and jeffrey and someone from the board or do you want to just kind of go on our own and come back to the next hearing ok and is it possible to entertain the because of the way that the spaces flow on the end side i think that it may still make sense to do something on the front that maybe doesn't go as far forward if that helps with the sort of improving the layouts if that's an option that you guys would entertain if it's big because i really feel like the front elevation it's not as attractive right now as it could be and the front of addition makes it more beautiful of the house and the rear edition you still are left at the front that doesn't look very welcoming or very consistent the neighborhood so i would love to fix that and you're going to good job with it it's unfortunate that the log where it is in the dimensions or what they are ok so would you consider something that was less forward but still forward and mean do you think that there's some sort of a mat like if we were to reduce it by a couple of feet or is it just you know i don't even bother wasting time on that and just focus on the back  i should tell you the first time i looked at these plans i said it's a really nice design and i like it and we like what you did with that our issue is the nonconformity and how it fits in terms of the neighborhood and i'm sure you can figure out something with jeffrey and spencer and one of us involved too that will work and enable your good sense of design to to win the i'm on our agenda is the discussion of the belmont ed i believe this  happened at the last meeting of the board which i was in here in what's happening today in terms of the right so at the last board meeting we received an initial presentation from bit on site and circulation with some overview of the of the building itself i think are the discussions surfaced concerns about  circulation related to parking related to the two way to a vehicular circulation along that main access road or the driveway that was that was brand may be a concern that it was an arbitrary decision i think we geoffrey am i missing any major right there was a there were some concerns about locations of athletic lighting there was there was a concern that i brought up about the the wing that projects off from the main body of the school  which seems like an arbitrary angle and and pushes the building very close up against the pond in a place where you might otherwise try to back away from the pond traffic in terms of circulation their issues in terms of the number of parking spaces in terms of how the roads go with the parking is what's happening in terms of it at this point so at our last meeting we asked jeffrey and spencer to connect us with the tac to just get a sense of what comments they've put forth so far and to also get some more information on what layouts in terms of circulation have been looked at already before we start pushing different ideas we wanted to get a sense of what had been  vetted how it'd been vetted and we also were concerned about the parking and how they arrived at that number and comparing kind of existing parking will evolve and mention students versus teachers versus staff and one of the get a better sense of the existing versus future and and then from there felt like we had a starting base we could figure out  how we could improve upon circulation to increase a visit ability of bikes and peds potentially provide some drop off zones at the exterior of the property look at ways that we could potentially reduce the pinch point where the planning community path is going those are kind the issues we were wrestling with and i think stepping back a little bit we are wrestling with just the schedule for the high school what it is in terms of an approval little letter is needed from the planning department and when when we need to provide that stepping back with they're only going to give us a manic design and then they'll come back next year whether it is but they're submitting a design package to the state that's that has to basically be the date on that so we have a lot of work i mean yes i would just i would add that as an up upshot of our last planning board meeting it was recommended that we have an offline discussion with the with the tac of the transportation advisory committee which happened that last thursday i believe so it was because geoffrey spencer me bill and or no it was bill bill is not there was glen clancy and some sense that that might that line will probably be drawn at the property line that the planning board has should have something to say about the location of the driveway entrances certainly the  driveway on site is within our within our purview no i'm saying that the attack would like to they were interested and sort of keeping their it within their purview  traffic issues outside of the site on public streets and i think maybe the eleventh we have to come to a meeting of the mind sometime before july eleventh but probably at the end of june is the real time that's correct our our concern about this of course is that when you build a school like this and we're doubling the  the school we're also you're creating a a building that's going to be there for forty to fifty years is going to have a significant impact on the town not just from the financial you know point of view but also from the point of view of the live a village of the neighborhood and traffic in the area and that's going to be there a long time and there are a number of things that i think are concerns that have come up i think the neighbors have talked about things one of the issues that for the traffic that has to be thought about is do you plan for enough parking for the teachers and the staff and you know should students be encouraged to park there or not like they do now so i hope those things are in the mix as as you're hearing the responses in terms of traffic flow traffic congestion and the impact of this on the community and this area going forward a large number of years and once we do it it's going to be hard to undo it absolutely again  ironically there is a additional meeting the school building committee has met i think some sixty plus times i know i have at least seventy five pages of notes that i keep for each meeting page and they meeting this evening over at the wellington school and there is a traffic advisory committee meeting on thursday night to address the specific traffic issues moving forward and of  course it's one of a series of additional meetings that are taking place and all it with every public meeting every hearing every discussion that we have there are changes tweaks adjustments that are made by the design team on almost a daily and actually a daily if not more than a daily basis so much input has been given much input will be given and it is all taken and there were computers actually used to do spreadsheets by hand and so you make one change and you have to go calculated all the way through in the race them and now we do it i have if you we have a member of the audience who'd like to come forward and speak in that that would be fine just introduce yourself and i just kind of you're just excuse me for that but i want to complete the update of what's happened in the off cycle i'm sorry ma'am it'll be quick but so so in our conversation with the tac we  you know further further outlined some of the the outstanding questions and so this package that sponsored has passed now is is an initial response to some of those questions i haven't had time to look at this it came and it came in today so i haven't seen on but then i got another e mail from bill that was also sent to to jeffrey and spencer recommending that that we move the building committee be informally with the with with our working group on a weekly basis going forward now and that they have an appointment at all all remaining planning board meetings before before their deadline and i think we also decided that i'm going to be attending the  tac meeting on thursday night as merely as an observer they do have an on call traffic consultant that they're they're using for their town wide transportation analysis and they say that if we had if there were specific questions or peer review that we would like to have done that that consultant c an expectation was that some there may be a joint planning board and traffic advisory committee meaning yes the jurisdictional line ends up a property line but it gets very blurry because clearly if you allow advisory and you both have to be coronated and agreeing on exactly what the plan is going to be so the hope was that there was going to be there's going to be a joint meeting sometime in the end of may and which point hopefully some of these issues will continue to be talked about in the mom twenty one golden st and i'm here on behalf of what we have been lately calling the four schools neighborhood so we are in the current belmont high school the cherry the wellington in the burbank area out eighty two percent of belmont's children are in that area eighty two percent so it's a pretty big constituency and we appreciate everything you're doing because we think you have an oversight role in making sure the state gets done well and the areas we specifically want to talk to you about are one we want to make sure that there is not a combined entrance and exit we are interested in a one way traffic flow we want to remind people that several years ago we had an almost exact number of students on the belmont high school campus this was during wellington's renovation there were modulars there were a very similar number of certainly a bit younger students but students on the campus trucking was reduced by half flow in a one way worked actually really really well so we have done this in a one way structure and it has worked well that's the first thing the second thing that we want you to think about and to strongly encourage people is to think as you started to talk about the sheer number of cars on campus everything we know about what will happen forty to fifty years from now makes us doubt we need so many parking spaces we also want you to know that schools in newton schools in arlington schools and the other sort of comparable you know close in neighbors to the city of boston do not allow student parking on the campus so we know there are some concerns around that if that happens it needs to be partnered with good police support for signage to make sure that they don't just park in the neighborhoods but it is doable to reduce those spaces clearly they did it during the wellington build and it worked well the other piece that we want to strongly look at and we know that the team is considering some of these things is thinking about parking versus drop off we want to strongly think about alternatives for drop off we've asked and we appreciate that the building committee has looked at melrose high which is on the fells way which is really a pretty busy darn busy place way busier than we are they have dropped off in that way clearly on the concord out school side you could do a drop off area the other one we'd like to investigate is whether there could be a non school side drop off in front of the pool given at the high school will move towards the center it's not so far from the from the proposed now and that could give you a concord out of a fairly long drop off lane where people could come in and instead of going all the way into the school all the way around and back into traffic we think that would potentially be better and we would like to know that could be explored the other piece that we want an explanation and we thank you for mentioning this is most of the drawings that have been coming out in the last several months always have golden street as a main entrance and exit right now it's an offset and we think that's  valuable we have enormous concerns about cars shooting up golden street i understand that some of your responsibility is at the building in the site but from an overall town perspective we have a pretty big concern at the golden school street interchange i'm not quite sure what to say about that intersection it's offsite it's offset it's scary it's dangerous and now we're going to have even more kids in that neighborhood coming through and it's very clear even with a stoplight it golden which is on the plan that's going to back everything up it's interesting the ceiling i couldn't get down golden street it's it's really problematic and we're putting more pressure on a badly designed intersection as it is another idea we want to throw out people have investigated around the median strip and uses of openings and and closings on the median strip to control traffic and then the last one is less about the neighborhood but it's more about the parking plan we would like to make sure which i think everyone sees that the plan is safe two way sort of market supermarket parking for kids who have relatively new permits and licenses seems really scary to us if you cross concord add you in the current plan  have to cross in front of more lanes of traffic to get to the school there doesn't seem to be a good plan to get the kids who we hope will be coming from when broke and the new entrance that prevents us from having kids cut through the fence there and we  don't think we that's great because that would be an a great way for kids to get to school but we want to be sure that if they get on the campus we minimize going in front of cars and we really think carefully about how do we set that up so relatively novice drivers  are doing things as safely as possible we now have younger kids and the last thing that we want to comment on is we want to design things for how kids are not how kids should be so you can put crossing places you can put traffic lights but kids will take the fastest route and we need to design to that are otherwise they're going to go where they want to go and so it's all well and good to say this is what they should do but at thirteen fourteen fifteen and up they don't do as i think they're cutting through the fence i grew up in belmont they've been coming through that fence and i was a kid it's incredibly dangerous and kids don't use necessarily good judgment so the your group traffic advisory and others need to think about a plan that is as safe as we can possibly make it thank you tonight on ninety schools certain belmont i think as you have indicated that we are looking at this project as a project where the building is going to be with us for fifty or seventy five years and so i think what the future is going to bring is that there is going to be more emphasis on walking and biking access to the school the current plan is a lot about the cars and how the cars are go out of those spaces children are going to be walking through that area there's two circular places for drop offs and again it's it's a problem into ferentz with walking on the site so i think it's extremely important not just as far as the planning board is concerned but also the traffic aspects on the outside to really make some serious  changes and that means that as far as the school property is concerned i think we all have to work together and in the different departments in belmont that boxing has to be looked at and bus bus thing ought to be increased and that would help keep some of the cars off site and lessen the drop off problem the other thing that's come up is that the skating rink may possibly be relocated to the dump area around the for  side of belmont hill and if that happens that certainly would provide some property for additional parking and lessen the impact of pocking and drop offs at the site itself also as amy indicates with the community pass there's going to be an underpass and it's extremely important in terms of timing to have that segment of the community path to be accomplished at the same time as this building is constructed because that will mean that the children coming in from the windbreak area mostly can be walking to school so i think it's critical when the planning board looks at this project that the automobile as been the center and we would like to see less availability of automobiles and more to make sure the children are safe and walking and biking to the school and walk boston which is a group that does provide advice to many of the communities in massachusetts has been available to provide some specific information about how to deal with children's safety and we need that kind of help to come up with a safe school the last point is that the current plan was shown to the public back in november and if you look at the plan today the plan hasn't changed as far as access points are concerned and exit points as far as the car situation and although they're happening number of meetings and a number of comments and questions have been raised there hasn't been any further change or response to what the neighbors are saying about this project has been indicated that something is going to happen very shortly but as you indicate this has to be put together by july eleventh and so we're very anxious about not only talking about these things but actually taking some action jeffrey how are things moving forward on this we have a series of meetings taking place off line for the what what's the timetable for things coming back to the  at soon as you know the answer to this has anybody thought about actually not having through traffic at this i recognize that we've got a linear parking lot going on anybody thought about make it  at splitting the traffic up so that there's a senior side and then a junior side and there's no through traffic going on to the basically the parking lots don't have traffic moving i could even see adjusting as you indicated there would need to be a connection of some sorts for emergency access purposes but as far as the normal vehicular traffic moving through the site it said one one comment that came up our last meeting was the role of the board of selectmen in the parking on the site and how that so can you explain a little more so if they so so yeah i like working with attack i'm just learning what other entities we need to be communicating with in the next month and a half to be on the same page potentially school in the sense lie and where the authority lies place again amy tan and bomb i believe at the high school pretty much every kid is in good standing or vast majority of them that's not a huge problem so kids do have access but i will say that other school systems in the area who have limited spaces use a lottery system it's equitable  so there are solutions out there for many schools that don't give every kid who has an access to a car they don't all get a permit the fields have been replicated to the greatest degree possible there is some overlap with the junior varsity and i hope i get this correct junior varsity baseball softball and soccer and there's some additional tweaking that's happening as late as this afternoon by literally when i said earlier that things are changing on a minute to minute basis things are tending right now there are no tennis know some of them are full size fields for the first hour regulation sized fields where they were not before and business again as the fields are being redone upgraded we built we located they are being constructed to the regulation size to the greatest degree possible there is certainly overlap in the certainly you know we're looking at multiuse fields multi season fields and there's overlap for things like fields and bought baseball softball where they could not be used simultaneously but using that greatest amount of green space in the middle as possible and several of the fields are multi use fields in other words different sports will be played on the same field first of all i want to say thank you to everybody in the board for participating in town meeting and doing a terrific job thank you very much and we wouldn't have been able to do without jeffrey  went above and beyond and create a very professional detailed presentation that won the day so thank you jeffrey thank you spencer you couldn't have done it without  there i'm sorry but yes so in any case let me just repeat what i just said i want to thank all the members of the board for all their contribution at town meeting everybody did a great job  we won the day we did what i think was right we reaffirm that the general residence zoning that was passed in two thousand and fourteen specifically the special permit process for new into family construction works and i think town meeting responded to that and i also think that they acknowledge that some of the smaller projects are more appropriate with the zoning board of appeal and as i said before none of this could have been done without jeffrey and spencer's hard work thank you very much for a very professional presentation and pulling this together for us we would have been able to do it without you thank you very much now that we've done that now that we've done that you've brought up the issue of what's next designed guidelines and we have in our package here we have the design guidelines that have been in place for it where did we when did we do this do we do this like three years ago or four years ago twenty sixteen ok and the design guidelines basically and abide by a an overview of for design for the for the general residence district of what we think is reasonable in terms of style mass and height all of the design issues to the whole point of this is for for the  special permit process this these are for for things that are subject to design so i play reviewing the special permit process which means a lot of things in the general residence district and the thought was before this was in place and this was part of the whole general residence we part of the general the theme of the general residence zoning and the subsequent detailing of that after the zoning was passed to be consistent in terms of what we wanted to see in terms of not only new development but also additional development in the general residen district and this puts the general sort of parameters in place and i guess it's probably time to think if we need to change that this is these are what spencer and i use when we sit down and meet with because we go through this with complete and maybe appropriate to have a conversation and you know maybe not tonight i don't know  but certainly in the next couple of months to revise these these you adopt as a board they don't have to go to town meeting right so they can be you know many one of you feeling but you know now that to remember i think some of the aisle because i was i was on the board in late two thousand and sixteen and this is a result of a lot of work that the board had done in terms of going through the process with a number of buildings and things and this is reflective of that and with the members of the board at that time thought were important in what they wanted to see it's useful as you know with new members of the board carl and i are the of been around for a while but we have fresh eyes on the board we have people with design backgrounds on the board to take a look at these in terms of what we've gone through we had a case tonight  that a couple of things in here get get talked about to see if you think these need to be changed they need to be buffed up a bit or they work just fine so i'll put that out there for the board to take a look at th we'll have a discussion if anybody has any comments on these and now we can certainly talk about that there were two that struck me and and i want to understand more about  discourage and i guess i'd like to understand the point there i mean where where we're talking housing production flan ways of doing different things and if you're in the sound that does allow it to family i'm not i don't see off the top of my head but the problem is with making two units i just wanted to understand where it came from and what it's trying to prove you know i'm new to the board so i haven't seen a lot of these cases and i  r were overly overly populated and ended up being over developed so this was some sort of a relief from that that being said i mean one of the things that the market has done though is that i believe it's more profitable for a small lot like this to build single family house the build into family house and regardless and one of the issues of that is if you build a two family house on these very small lot you you're limited in in the size of the units that you can build so even though that may be more affordable it's less desirable from a marketing point of view so if you're a developer it's your year your profitability is more to build a single family on than it is to build a two family on that and you've basically on those you have to build an up down to family so that's that's what's pushing for the market in something pushing that too and i would be surprised without some sort of subsidies in a situation like that that the developer would build a two family on a small lot like the return wouldn't be as much which is why we're seeing some you know we're seeing single families being  built on these five thousand square foot probably in terms of density there are places like transportation oriented areas and other things where density is probably a little bit more appropriate one of the things that happens is in in belmont most of the belmont especially closer to trip road and off to the sides it's very dense and you have a lot of district you have  not only you know want to fill a roadway really square but as you move up to there are parts of cushions where to we you see that when you go the other side further down is very dense development and some of that is great in terms of the urban amenities of that but there's a balance in terms of that and i think this was put in as a response to that so from my point of view the more dense different which the fat basement window shall not be on the from the side of the well and i mean i happen to live for that where we all have windows on the front of our house and it allows you to go into the basement without turning on the light and i appreciate not having to turn on the light every time i go in the basement so it's to me it's a day lighting thing i don't find in that way especially if you have bush is another thing like i can't walk out  some things that some people might find a little fussy and you can find about those things it's a question of i mean these are guidelines to it's not that you know you have to build exactly to this or or anything at all but it's like this this will get you to a place in terms of design that the board at that time was interested in heading to focus so it's some uniformity  suggestions in terms of things but you know please take a look at this and come back and we can certainly talk about we can certainly talk about  any other question about that there's only two years ago it seems like a very long that i don't know if we want to formalize that or institutionalize that because i just know in the real estate world it's really hard to do i mean it's really hard to do but that doesn't mean you you don't have those in mind in that as you go through the process we're going through the design process and we're proving house we did it this evening we're talking about the impact of moving the front porch in the g r case moving the front porch and the town meeting approved the the delay the extension of the moratorium through the end of the year which i think was appropriate i think because of the the lack of coherence from the commonwealth early on in the lack of time to bring through the process to make reasonable zoning in place and i think we have that opportunity now and i think the town meeting overwhelmingly agreed with us in terms of that so what we will have to do now is we'll have to begin to go through the process again of zoning will be an election in september regarding the citizens petition if the citizens petition with amendments is passed it means that we will only be dealing with adults with retail marijuana shops and we'll only have to zoned for that so and our zoning will come to town meeting in november so we'll maybe do a little bit of that now but after the election we will know exactly what will be and what won't be and and yeah we'll do something with a something i suspect that one of the things that when we began this initial discussion and i don't know if because if we were talking about the g r as a zoning if that took all the air out of the room for a while but in the public hearings when we began to talk about zoning for adult use marijuana i think did not remember there being a strong public presence i mean some people came and they talked about it but in terms of placement which is the big issue didn't seem to be clear preferences were clear opinions it's clear from town meeting that some people have strong feelings about that and i suspect and eyeing i suspect and i will not be surprised if we see that when we have a public meetings and frankly i encourage that  the more people that express their opinion about an issue like this the better we'll see what happens when they want to hold a special yes yes  too because it will sort of even though the public health aspect of it is distinct is conceptually kind of overlaps or practically it overlaps to be good to have them talk about that so we will not have any meetings and that's our goal when the draft need to be done given the mid november town meeting so you know why write an article on things in any case ok that sounds good jeffrey you have updates of potential cases project committee r of back and forth on some of them so we'll start the process again for the next round of projects and i know on our to do list is to streamline that process and make it a little more easier to follow for town residents especially in the fundraising aspect of that and then in terms of project updates i spoke to jay mark t next week or so after that but it will start sometime in june we're trying to marry the start date with the finish of soccer so they don't impact yeah most of it will be closed so i don't know the whole park will be close it's the playground yeah you'll still be able to the soccer fields seventy five percent of them will be that's great that's a great project  and you were involved in the beginning of that which is how you ended up joining the c p a so thank you for that you contribution to it and for waverley square we're just taking a little break here during the town meeting window and then we'll get back to that afterwards trust now that they've successfully got their c p a funding and they've got the housing production planned through that that took enormous amount of time and energy and was done will be reviewing them to make sure that everything that they submitted is what's needed for the special permit and then they're ending for june fifth to be on the agenda for the june fifth and at the moment that it's all is also twenty two adr submitted their plans for the building permit which they were denied so now are starting the special permit discussion i will be meeting with their architect later this week to discuss the plans they submitted and then how they can move forward b sure so it's just around the corner from twenty two bacon same neighborhood as twenty to bake and actually similar project it's ranch existing they're wanting to put two stories on top here in this are three district correct yes that's correct and there they have a side setback issue it's ten feet which is required but it's eight feet one inches that's existing  last fall in a p c reached out to several municipalities in the region about the idea of doing a doc less bike share system they noticed that several municipalities were sort of going at it ad hoc on their own and they felt that a regional approach would be better than you know each municipality sort of having their own system that's correct that's right so over the past couple of months we've been working with him a b c and the other municipalities to come up with originally an r f p which was released by him a p c to find vendors to manage the system  it will be at no cost to the municipalities to participate it will be a nominal cost for users who want to ride the bike switching around a dollar or two dollars per ride the selectmen voted in early april to  agree to participate and so we've been working since then to identify station locations which i provided in your packets some preliminary approaches to looking at where stations might make sense the but bikes them selves don't actually have docking stations but what each municipality is sort of doing is identifying where they want the bikes to be when we wake up in the morning so let's say we have a bike and belmont cent and i want to ride it to anywhere in town twenty two bacon road i can ride in there and i can leave it can stay there and then someone else can come along later and get on the bike and ride it anyway don't like them up at night and bring them to central location so that's what we're working now to draft what's called the statement of work and that will be our the towns document or contract with each vendor and in that document will be able to say we want you to pick these up every night and redistribute them back to the stations that we've identified as being where we want the bikes to be when we wake up in the morning so not every municipality will be doing it that way some of his policies are are fine with that sort of being very much free form the bikes can go anywhere but we're really trying to to identify demand places in the morning so it may be that as we get more experience of the system we may see that there are places where it's high demand in the morning for the morning commute and then other places in town or high demand for the afternoon commute and will be able to adapt for the stations are based on that demand as we get experience with the system that's right that's right  right and they will be required to share their data with each municipality so we'll be able to access that data and see how many people in town are using the bikes and where they're going which will be you know useful for other planning purposes going forward so right up the hill to a concrete avenue right now like street we had to walk and that's right exactly right so we can maybe see chose to vendors it's going to function there will be competing it'll be sort of a market based approach linebacker's one of the vendors that was chosen another company out of seattle spin was the other company that was chosen  are parking regulations that will put into the statement of work one of the regulations will be that it has to be placed on a sidewalk that is at least six feet wide to provide clearance for pedestrians and people and with inbuilt chairs and additional you will be able to park on the corner or in handicapped spaces and at the moment it's sort of a self policing system so if you leave it somewhere that you're not supposed to leave it and i come along behind you to rent the bike i can report you for leaving it somewhere that it's not supposed to be a converse lee if the vendors are out redistributing the bikes and they find that a bike was left somewhere that it's not in compliance with regulations they can report the previous writer and there are fines upwards of one hundred fifty dollars for what spins proposed it's been proposed a market approach and they felt that belmont could sustain about thirty five bicycles that's what i've said it should be when we wake up in the morning there's thirty five bikes in town but at the maximum fifty could end up in the talent throughout the day but i want to be redistributed back out to thirty five we have the ability to put in the statement of work that we can review periodic lee what the demand has been and what the experience has been and we can adjust the count appropriately if that's if we need to i recall from the information that you gave that you'll be able to to drop off your bike you pick up a bike in any of the communities that are which is big that's right so someone in arlington could bike to belmont center and leave a bike there there's there's nothing to prevent every municipality in town everyone getting on the bikes and biking to belmont  to regulate or do anything with the bikes when they do show up they fully expect they will show up what they prefer is that no one be able to initiate a trip in those communities so someone from belmont could bike to a wife and leave the bike there but cambridge wants the vendors to come along behind them and remove them and take them back to the participating it is  as anybody else have any comments geoffrey any parting words for  is there an update on the alexander avenue underpass  know there's talk about coming to c p c for requests for survey design money but which would work out well because that money gets allocated a town meeting and then our car gets approved a town meeting and then is allocated july one so you could sign a contract summer you could do you get your survey done that fall before  winter sets in and then do your design over the winter potentially bidding for late spring something like that