resulted in the joy at the end of their hearings saying there's another thirty five days at which we will receive documents of issues and concerns which will recess period by state law before he goes into what you have sketched plan which would render all of those comments no longer relevant so all that needs to happen when and if he comes back with a plan when he comes up with a plan and we reschedule hearings at that very first hearing policy that they're going to recess for an days after the hearing private going to deliberations so they can take what amounts to a post hearing testimony they can decide to do that or not and you're school summer senior session for senior executives and state and local government he's come back to harvard ye but we figure he's going to have his brain stuff full of stuff where this is a discussion the new kid at town meetings we had in our budget proposal to spend one hundred seventeen thousand dollars on police services the contract and the sheriff has stayed the same at forty four dollars an hour and we proposed contract is forty four dollars an hour for a forty hour week missed total ninety one thousand five hundred twenty for who are up for the year for the sheriff for monitoring the speed the town the state police have come back with our expenses used to average about sixty dollars an hour their new contract  comes in at eight thousand nine hundred seventy dollars over budget because they're asking for sixty six dollars per hour and so our discussion tonight is to whether except the contract for the thirty four thousand four hundred  fifty or just mended to not to exceed thirty thousand that way the most we would be over budget and not necessarily even over budget because they don't necessarily always spend their allotted time and they usually don't and face well i i mean i'm inclined to do the not to exceed thirty thousand i don't think anybody really wants to go over budget by that much and you know i think you know the more they're around the more confidence i have in the sheriff's department to do a great job and they're always in town i see them on all different streets all different stories because they responded they're very responsive and very effective this just for people who are here and you know my question this this is nothing to do with emergency you know services or calls to the police or the right it's us to do with speed monitoring with time that we spend them for just cocking people  gunning or whatever that's what we're talking about by state law they have to serve a criminal act and the other thing is i mean i know that this isn't really related because it is about criminal is that that information that they gave us about you know jericho not being a hotbed of crime like we yeah may have thought worried about really our crime is not going up i'm inclined to say that we should do the la versus affective i do see them in places that i don't think about high priorities and i would prefer to see them more in the priorities i got actually they will then i'd like to i'd like to have a real thing the other question is i mean i know that they went to the state already paid the money because it's supposed to be five days prior to that and somebody is getting married on saturday so i don't know you know what that  doesn't mention program integrates the process in your town plan says that you know the answer because it has to be updated i think every year designation every couple years and this will be great of the town plan and also to be can it's eight to three and that deals with some of the stuff you're dealing with right now because it promotes downtown development by providing regulatory benefits for development  designated centers were well providing for stricter act two fifty controls in permitting parents redevelopment outside of them but also updates active if the criterion five transportation allows a district commission to require that a project include transportation demand strategies and incorporates transportation modes such as bicycle and like walking paths so that's things that obviously you're going to be dealing with when you're working on the and we're suggesting that when people come up to redo their town plan they look at some of the strategies and see if they can't be incorporated not only in the town plan but in actually there's only regulations but it is i didn't bring the document because it's a pretty big  for the state and they're dealing with the t d m mill of lake champlain and this is going to impact all of us because the interesting graph from last night's privatisation although forests are the biggest land mass for the lake champlain basin and gravel roads are like down at six percent gravel roads are second only to ag for runoff for phosphorous and so they're thinking of how we can yeah i mean before they used to hit just the big farms and the big towns because they had storm where you tell it where you know but now everybody's going to have to be including the small farmers in the world towns and everything else so it's approve and they hope to have begun by november but it's really you know people are kind of shocked last night on which they're talking about and then of course their face going by his pain for them because this is really significant because he said he said i know gravel roads sharky he is going and where you think the town should go as well as we're here that has any issues that you would like to have happen for them as well can we put the two chairs on the spot and just very very focused on the particular area that you're using i mean so it almost come in when you look at the overview and make sure you make sense to you but if you're not expecting the p c to go over it with a fine tooth comb and go why is it fifteen feet not twenty feet or ten feet and that's because the consultant actually went out to the towns not only this town but richmond and other towns that had kind of cool village centers and actually went and measured what buildings look like but really made a great streetscape and going back with the exact measurements for their setback and roof peaks and their slopes and everything else it's just an amazing document but so because we don't have the expertise and you guys don't have the expertise this is one where it's all going to be a leap of faith for us when we look at the major document look to see if it makes sense but we can't really right because you want it to happen right it makes this makes sense but to sit there and say well why did you do fifteen to twenty i mean i'm not sure that you're going to be the necessary part of it because the whole picture is based on  to say following the presentation we should plan on having a discussion of now we've seen it what do you know that makes sense but you know certainly we've been kind of special over that question of look at w having is about the curse of the surgeon mulling over and i can just want to see this thing and say could could this be a solution are there pieces of this that could help us address these other things that we're struggling so hard with right to try to line our town plan panama canal and these guys are you know bunch of engineers in their way and all this stuff on with this many numbers some fancy words as possible and periodically he asks penetrating questions and when they all leave his aide says mr president i didn't realize you were such an expert and they said i'm not an expert but i spent a lifetime listening experience so that's not to downgrade what they're doing right we asked them to produce something that was implementable so we were getting a complete package of pieces missing so that's right that's what we asked them to do but that doesn't mean we simply put are no closer eyes put her in this rolls on it  and i spend a lot of time giving the comments on the administrative aspect of how an application comes through and then operates and i'm working with greg wilson on that as well before we leave him mark yeah and then there's another aspect of it which is the sort of technical detail the aspect which as catherine said is based on the synoptic survey that they took of other towns other good other good downtown area and measurements that work and are classically new england in towns and streets that we respect person who invented and basically started the new organism and their book their coauthor book is about a neighborhood design so they understand they were designed for urban design what works what creates pedestrian flow and there's so much of that real expertise built into the actual metrics of the form it's code and then the third part which is maybe the most important part is the vision that is protected and perpetuated by a form based code so that vision is based on a five day public which most consultants when they give us something don't go through so there's already a lot of public opinion built into that and a lot of the vision of what jericho is built into that but i think that's the big role for the planning commission is to look at this and say to look at the pictures like tim sa and then also basically look at the metrics like oh there's no flat roof rooms allowed in this code is that what we want is that now we want you know that type of thing just to see if that's the vision that you guys as the protectors of of jericho think is appropriate for the vision is even of the time play contradicts itself and has very very loose wording you know you've actually you've actually got the vision taken care of during the master planning session and you've got a code that is so specific that it creates that vision so there's a lot less room for interpretation which is good for you and it's good for developers and it's good for the community has because what you want is actually where you're going to get the role really is  wanted to make sure that it had no was not to reflect on the d or b because you did the job you had to do but once it became a political issue and it's jim pointed out we were the sense of congress and with the interpretation of the plan was we felt we had to do a post coital pre plan forge and it's very very rare that a slip board does not support it dear be careful has the unique distinction of doing it twice and i was on post i've been on both sides now which is kind of weird for them a little weird so i mean but what we think we have learned from that is there's the other reason why we wanted to have this meeting so we could talk about the issues you know what we see the town in with you what the d or b has for issues and and planning commission wants to talk about you know we got things to talk about in terms of where the commercial district is going where they are you know the natural resource bylaws things like that and then genuine it to update us all on the new zoning and see if the d r v has any issues with it because you guys have to enforce it  right i'd really like to hear what your thinking is and where you're going on the commercial district because that was the core of the obviously the issue  and one can read the documents and see anomalies there that's clear and there's not there's absolutely no criticism intended  well on its face it's not so clear so thank you very much we hadn't done that before the d r b so the d r b did not have the benefit of the select words saying this is how we want these things read where there's a gray area this is how we want them and the way they did it the way they read it was defensible absolutely defensible but it wasn't really the way we want to read and so when it comes up goes the court again were combined so it frequently happens the ministration the president appoints judges to the federal court and you know very good judges who ruled in a certain way and the administration doesn't agree with that ruling and so at the next appeal ministration takes the other side happens all the time that's what the appeal process is about so that's what and it doesn't mean that the president thinks and judges don't could it means there are several ways of reading this this is the way we as the as the ultimate responsible wish that gray area but now fortunately the planning commission is in the process of reconsidering  over three thousand feet square feet is in the in the in the in the zoning regs has a conditional you ergo it is not forbidden but when you read everything in the plan it implies it's effectively you're not supposed to do it except in extreme stores of that so you can really put a plant over and over and o with a heavy trucks and heavy equipment that's what it says and in the zoning the the town plan is explicitly reference it says you have to meet the criteria of the town plan and it says it in the works that makes the town plan park of the zoning right just like if you have a contract at the end of the contract there's a price list and in the contract it says the the attached privately price list is incorporated into this contract by reference that priceless is part of the contract it's not just something else out there it is part of the country so you have to  you have one thing that kind of implies that something is ok if you make a few and another thing that's it's not really ok and the two are for i think there's no two ways about it but they should be we know how we really thought they should be read but on the ground there's no blame in this because these things have been adopted over years and years and years and they go back a long way and they haven't all been to be pretty hard to do or right on our planet the same size so getting everything absolutely played a perfect system is are i don't think there are a lot i mean broadly speaking i think the documents are pretty good but this is a case where reasonable people could read it read it that way and  terms of the commercial district is whether to allow retail or not given the fact that they're already years old like retail in the commercial district and based on what you just said what you're saying and i assume from what you're saying the reason for your post trial brief or whatever is you're saying that there is to be no retail in commercial this on unless the criteria unless it is it cannot be put in the village cent the retail general retail is supposed to be in the building period and the power plant very clear but it can only go in the other place if there is some over weaning reason some compelling reason why it cannot go so it is so gigantic five hundred thousand square feet some argue that it is so big that it's simply that one requires a parking lot the size of the whole flats so it's there are data is it's basically saying absolutely dollar general so just just make it look nice that's all nobody is against the thing as an activity it just where you but there are many there are some who do this body does not and i think it's important when we decide to step in very yeah it wasn't just because it was a political football really honestly that w but you've done this a disservice by saying that we genuinely believe that this was a mistake that from our perspective so did not fit and we had no no problem with dollar just fine not a problem i mean here i hope they'll clean him up a little bit so we'll look more like a farm based but in principle to me they're actually not that bad you know they're not as noxious people some people might think i had they don't cause me any problem whatsoever they would fit just fine in any of these three i think they probably want to put their center because they're in the traffic light but that's a commercial it it's you truly believe that the general population of jericho doesn't want this here in the causal district or does not want this here jericho period i just i want to say i wouldn't see a ripple effect on like i said a smaller with a lot of pressure changing of course that we i don't think we want to get into having our town designed by opposition well organized i agree and that's why we're we're saying right here and i think we all homes i think all kinds of things our view is we have a town plan and the town plan has an orderly vision for how we how this town grows without turning into northern new jersey so  own i'm i'm and i apologize to the town i'm embarrassed that we left it that long and the reason we should a step then we would have been before the complaints about dollar general as you know a static it would have been in principle that we should have stepped in earlier and said no no this is exactly the kind of thing that when trying to say we don't want and the power plant is very clear is is very neutral the ture it has to do with with a single purpose so that it's not it's not part of the general development so there's a single single entry and exit you have to have an interior road and then when these things are in the process of building out those initial curb cuts are closed off and then you have landscaping everything so the only way in in our history of that excess right over the case where we're doing with that where you know the vision is clear and not just ours over the whole state where the growth the commercial growth to the people commercial growth factors  court case was handled by the select board works not handled properly at all i think when it started we were part of the court cases much we were unable to do that because in order for us to formally take positions we would have to hold an open meeting discuss it and make a decision and we did not have time to do that so we could not take a position how you understand the town planning and zoning regulations and i personally disagree with them but doesn't matter what i think doesn't matter to me that you don't like them and of went to them when you got what they did and ask them why they made those decisions not just hear one side of susan breezy and her people for one whole meeting i cite here and sell for and then after you hear that side plus you had the chance to listen to the car you basically said i'm the corps here this is what i decided you have your thoughts but you if you're going to become a court or whatever basically what you're telling here is the government everything you have to talk about and you're going to write this brief and it's going to be the way you feel you should have gone about it in a way and you're planning office in zone and then if you disagreed with the rb or whatever you come up with the cuckoos you're not fine i just say the procedure was wrong and then if you disagreed with them you would  say in the commercial district it says that retail space can be there for actors right on your table if you go says it may not be exactly consistent with the other and it depends how you read it you may be correct i ma correct it doesn't then i'm not going to marry me democrat i'm just saying that i can tell you if you want to get it do it that the lawyers from dollar general david approach me to buy the property they've revealed those regulations and they have people that do it and everyone has reviewed i'm on that side and i think they have prevailed but that isn't the point it just how you handle the situation was not right it out there and now i by the hardware store and a pizza place that we're just going to line that place up with businesses and so well that's what the whole town is but i came to the slight more i came to the planet and i've even darker the d r v i moved from going east westerly on fifteen to split up a lot so if i did build more commercial projects in that area that it would feed between those other lots it could be built say between a hardware store and dollar general those who rolled could go in and hook into north main street to do away with the idea of just a lot of on the road problems that i brought to you and i brought specifically to you the road project regarding this case and i don't think that it strips online and i don't think there's any more right to have housing in that commercial district if you follow the site that it would be as the last point i'd like to make that i don't think housing should be there any more then what you might use for retail these are decisions that can decide when you make your zoning laws but just for the record and the reason for that isn't to send light on to this day because i know this district as well is probably in one end of town i know you had three court cases in the past but all the way to the supreme n i don't think and i'm not sure i didn't review the court cases that you can keep housing out but i'm not sure of that one way or the other but those could be revealed but the fact is the same what we've gone for for the center in the corners and the riverside which is the largest area and the r p c is you know based on state regulations again trying to keep i think you also have to look at is is there more comprehensive building where plans for the area like that rather than just one building existing that's the value investor planning i mean that's really because people who just it's they don't have single cuts what's going in there is in many cases heavy you know buggies heavy trucks and sebastian structures you want them to concentrate on a single car there's not many of them the for the village center so the flag of my question stands yet as of now it's all and the idea is that if it works out and we like it we might expand it but right now the focus is on the  a party status to that proceeding because i represent the church which is a drawing property i have read all of the documents of the lawyers have put together a very specific compelling case that the lawyers for the dollar  store have made in those documents is case law where you talk about the plant as being the dominant factor they have case law in their in their presentations of their material is said it doesn't matter what's an account plant if it's not in th regulations explicitly so i just want to make that point it is a dissolving regulation exclusive i mean i want to make the point to you that you were were sort of base basing a lot of common we have no idea of they've been trying to make a case if they the way things work that those documents may never see the light of the relevant viewport during the sketch review and the process then would be the design review and i would back to look at  regulations and some of the state laws and made the observation that an opportunity is available to do this kind of proceeding both of the developer of your board th they can instead of closing a hearing recess or for a period of time which allows it then supplemental or additional documentation to be provided and i think and i would recommend that both of the scepter you plan to supplement or allow the public to supplement their input in writing and then also at the design review and a particular point as a municipality we have monthly meetings where the potential committee makes a decision from all of the clerk so we have to then get a potential committee to decide sometime after the closing or at the end of it develop a review board if we're participating in this case it was a defense of our well head protection area which is critical to us so help not only health problems but a significant expense problem if we have terminated so it was very fundamental that we in fact step up and protect it make a statement that this needs to be protected and we want to go on record with that so it took us some time because we are monthly meeting before we're able to write the letter come back so the amount of time and i they made a big issue out of that when in fact did in fact the developer review board go into deliberation what was allowed before or after that point in time so if that's not clear and explicit if there isn't a period of time after that in fact deliberations start without any other considerations except what you've heard before that so i would urge you to consider adopting a process to allow those consistently so that residents of the plan and source sketch plan review what are other proceedings is one significantly before the events of the so that people have a chance to participate but a sketch plan review because it doesn't close with here to use that term because that's a terminal or in legal are but our rules of evidence are that yes you can participate in reading something written and furthermore ok so let's go out a second question suppose there was to be as in a bar you warm you might find that you were on able to participate completely before the law before the new hearing if that was the case what you would do is come to the hearing and ask for intent for ask for it to be we do that all the time it's in fact preferable for us to do that rather than miss something so if someone comes to us and says i need more time to gather stormwater during the day i need more time to gather to do a traffic study i need more time to decide what color i want to paint the shutters anything if the board can then decide based on what we've heard and what the reasoning is we can decide to do as you suggested it perhaps you could ask for it after the fact you are some more evidence that can't happen because that would be exploitative in other words the other side or the third side or the fifth side would have a chance to it can and sometimes it's necessary so when for example something that takes a long time like a traffic study we oftentimes done that and so that's the way that someone who has a long time horizon opportunity to request a recess is in the regulations so yes and you were assured me that those matters which were brought to you during the sketch review is in fact in part of the record that you deliberate on seem to be very concerned so i would invite as you if hypothetically there was to be a application to that effect to participate certainly and to participate by bringing that letter if that's the civically we're concern wants to make sure their point gets hurt and it was often times happens that that's one way of looking at it it didn't seem to be an effective way they didn't always was a struggle of trying to justify it didn't make sense and so we tried different approach we've been working on this or the last couple months and we decided to take district by district and look more at the definitions and what's happening there and see if what's actually happened the ground and what is in the definition if if they sort of me and then look at the map of where the lines are and to see if what's on the ground and what the definition meets what's on the map which is saying this is where it should be and we started to get it was to look at all the districts but we chose to look at the commercial district first and as we started looking into it course we discovered the first we looked at is the definition of the definition as two parts and i say word for word but basically it's pretty simple it's for those uses not compatible with the village center and to promote job creation or ram economic basically jobs yeah but that's in a nutshell the gist of it and we're kind of scratching our heads over that like well that seems a little bit  said words you could use sure and then again we're sort of looking at what's there and it's interesting because there is some stuff that people would think of more it would fit with more of a commercial district  only do we have now the artist method there which was in the commercial district on the other side of the road but you know that's something that could be fitted with a village center we had the hardware store of course you have a pizza place had a video store but that's closed now know it's a little bit a little bit fuzzy about you know where this should be and so we were saying oh ok well there's stuff that's there and it's sort of been this vague definition what can we do to not only tighten this up so that it makes more sense but also protect against the cannibalization of growth that the village or the town plan says should go in the grocers in the village centers and that's something that we we haven't come up with an answer to but we've been wrestling with we could we approach it yeah and so we said well you know here's what we have and are sort of evolved this way but maybe we should look at some other towns and see what they've done so we give each other homework assignments and to look at each take a different town and look at the commercial district to look at the map that they have what they have look at the description look at how they handled that and kind of get a sense  of what we talked about how they have handled it and some towns have not done anything more recently so sort of like us and having you know more traditional kind of looking commercial industrial stuff and some towns have been doing some more re stuff and we we did see some things that we thought might end up being relevant for us one being there in the wakefield area they took what was sort of a little strip kind of thing where there  houses and village homes that have been converted into businesses and businesses built up and they had their driveway off the main drag that sprawl kind of thing and they created a commercial district that was back behind their hand the stuff that was along the road that had the drivers on the road those drivers went away and they got connected into that was sort of talked about before and this is something that jen brought up to us and we had the aerial view we're looking at it and everything in that was interesting and there's a couple of the towns of done that as well and so that does a couple things it gets rid of the sprawl and it also allows it allows sort of a mix of uses that are that can that can work together one one thing that again that myself or took away from that was a lot of those developments well they seem to work really good but typically and or immediately adjacent to a village center one of the concerns we have with what's happening  in our own commercial district is you know we already have three village centers which is off to more than most towns have a right that's true which is a little bit of a problem in itself or the line really doesn't have a whole lot of growth and when we started looking at the sky our own commercial district again what we're starting to see is what we certainly use is in what's happening there we've got residential use we have retail use for people coming come in and out the other thing and we sort of have it's kind of moving its way into the direction possibly being a fourth village sector which is probably not what we really want and so the question is like how do you how do you shape things that will allow some job creation and some uses in there that would bring businesses and that sort of thing that people would you know fit in with the character of the town and all that without creating a fourth village center and without taking away campbell cannibalizing potential  advocating use tasking sure so the other piece of this is is we looked at is is you know do we want this to be again more of the sort of retail centric thing which it's parts of it certainly have gotten and they're there and they're not going to go away do we want to say ok draw the line that's there nothing else like that just these more just real things or do we say well this is working and there is residential stuff around it so maybe it's ok to have stuff like that you know the light manufacturing not to have the you know the paper point there but there still could potentially be a spot in town that that could work and maybe like some other towns that we have more than one commercial district and we have this commercial district for this sort of stuff that you know it's got residential stuff near it so you don't really want to have stuff that you don't want anything  know that's interesting so you know because actually where this might be and we have it you know you have got beyond this this point but it's been brought up many times in the past we have an interesting exit down to richmond and while we don't and so there's the potential that in course you know if we put that there that the traffic that's associated with that which everyone find so objectionable they like the tax base and they like the job creation but they don't want truck traffic going through the village centers and on the town ro that i think came out of it and we walked through really go ok we're walking through the fog we still haven't got where we want to go but we feel like we're making progress when i walk in a circle and we get a little bit beyond the specifics here and get into things like you know we we got a sense of amongst ourselves and that the town it was a reflection of the town that you know that we know we don't really know what we want is that we don't really know what we want here and there's a lot of people maybe come here because they're trying to get away from something and rail we end up talking about what we don't want when someone applies for something instead of going out promoting what we do want and so what we're trying to do here is we're trying to and this is why it's a struggle because it's never been done is to kind of figure out what is it about jericho what is that character to build this one and hopefully that's going to drive the next one and the next one might be it could be another retail but you know retail that is a beer distributor not what you know for coffee or second the planning commission we definitely have what i mean that discussion of master planning as we talked about the commercial interest or the certainly on the table is something that we talk about it you know seems like it makes sense and as i mentioned at the beginning of the meeting i think getting the form the deer be i mean different things came through for the commercial center but they always fell apart was a high end copper fabricating you know these people kept coming on things and gals and things that felt he really wanted to come but septic failed to they couldn't get in another and that would have been jobs real jobs another one that was a little more problematic but it was a large indoor camel slash pet store and they ended up not having  money so i mean these really so you have all these weird things that we're trying to come into the commercial center you know but you know it is ideas have to be floated to figure out how it's going to work  that they can set down and work with me and then you will know for example that building a grocery store for example which i've told people not only saved just the grocery store you want to t not having interior access road and not having landscaping green space and other gradual treatments and the conditions contain both of those things so that tells me that you're thinking start developing something even more than that so that means that we need to build those things from your mind and from other people's minds into this definition to expand that definition more if what we're doing now is his unsuitable and i think that part of reducing that carries a strip is working with us here access roads and working with reduce the number of curb cuts in the writing access management and say that because to finish up where i was this is where we're at now is tires kind of telling you give me a background of what we've been going through the last couple months and we've been focusing on this specifically because we want to keep going with this until we get it done it was a thing and amorphous but we feel it's incredibly important not just because or you know it's not even doing today our general but just because it's an important part of the town it's been sitting there really languishing and it's been that way and it what we already have it started it's not connected over we're david's road is that he's going to be starting with dollar general if that goes forward but as he laid out that's his plan now we have there's other landowners that are that and we think that it's likely a critical component so that's our next step is to look at that and how that would fit in and how that would affect the future growth pattern within that and how it would look and feel we're also looking at things like  with the idea of having different types of you know sort of having one commercial district with all the same type to use is that perhaps a step closer to the road that's more excessive will be the more retail stuff there's already some stuff there where the stuff in the back part of it is the more industrial stuff and so the sort of the graduated types of uses and there's other places where this doesn't place down waitsfield just so there's there's some things that we can look at that district would look like in the future and we're trying to figure out at this point what that looks like so that we can put some regulations regulations in place that would drive the development direction  but the last point i want to make is is that in this with all the regulatory stuff that we look at think it's important to state that i think that both with the individuals on this planet commission there  friday perspectives but also just in general as a group that when we look at these things i think is important to note that we try to balance out the need to protect the character of the town and guy growth and then in the direction that goes with the vision of the town plan the aspirations of the town well being cognizant of putting in regulations that don't create too many barriers for development we don't want to be a town that's just a residential town you know the needs to be some opportunity for businesses here and there needs to be upgrades for jobs here and so that's a tough thing to balance but jen and i were going this agenda that because there's been so much discussion of own all kinds of thomas bradly not going to put the full agenda which shows that we need to touch base more often i think that would be useful of people have questions that you know to take you know let's meet together but what i would like to do is just be because you have this great discussion of economic development out there today which first talk a lot of people want to continue but has been that tim well there's a lot of you are part of this but there are recent experience has been that it's not clear yet to what extent the aspirational statements in the town plan are intended to be part of the legislative part of the of the of the refs and so  fact there were some some part of the of the aspirational statements in the plan or to the order  going to get the fact of the matter is that it's not clear that the aspirational statements of the ten the plan are criteria for development review and if that's the intent it should be clear  so it's important that whatever those criteria are with that then if there are criteria that are not in the regs now that you wish world as a planning commission that you get more definite about what's a criteria whether you want to create your own and that's ok the same things like the criteria are that there should be a landscaping so that you don't see parked cars from the main road for so so i'll leave you with this potter stewart was once asked in as part of his job as a secret gorgeousness to and he ended up needing to define it was pornographic he was in discussions with this court found that it was impossible to do so he mentioned near future they are going to look at the regulations that the planning commission already public hearing i gave to you and you'll have the opportunity at that time to make changes to those regulations that will be after this thing happens next week yeah right so how do we help end of the river in the western  three the architect in and this you know he could live without it but if he was just reading the minutes they wouldn't understand who or what they were talking about so it says the architect and the engineers for renovations and then add on the library and the capital budget planning starts  other than to talk about some day we need to talk about with the planning commission their ideas for economic development was there some basic things that they said just like ford could do as a town to facilitate you know the fact that we have these businesses here stores stuff and we have these bike tours that comes through and they don't know necessarily what's here they just are going through to go elsewhere but if we have you know contacted these people got brochures two of them you know this is what you could do in jericho