our veterans agent and i was honored to attend a recent ceremony that was conducted by cure dimensions in november second two thousand and sixteen whereby i was recognized as an award recipient by care to mention that i and they are a level four fortner of the we honor veterans program which is fascinating in the we were doing there care to mention strives to increase access to hospice and palliative care for veterans in our communities care dimensions work with local hospice educate them on the we honor veterans program provides education relating to the services and organizations available to that are in it's in addition care dimensions is working diligently with veteran service officers like yourself to further educate them on the benefits of  we were the board of selectmen devoted to become a purple heart town and bob is organize the ceremonies for those events in early august as well as helping organize the memorial day parade so and that's in and basically they take a six will dump truck similar to what we have and they run it through a course of columns and stuff like that to make sure that they can get around parked cars and other things that you know would come out parts of the truck and they have to go around and through from you notify the trooper that this particular thing is is not working correctly the one thing that i think we might have missed here is because that memo these guys are so good that they beat my memo their competition they finished first in the national so they got to be attending the national competition in september of next year in colorado in the be representing the town of belmont which is quite an honor the great  represent our dedicated public org staff who are committed to do a good job and go the extra mile and we thought this is a good illustration for the public to see that we have highly skilled public works employees and this is one demonstration of that so thank  i also want to recognize their family for supporting them through the long hours that these gentlemen put and ok ok i just want to say you do us proud well thank you drive that just within the town departments and right human resources will once again be accepting donations for the bama food pantry is in that wonderful box will be available in our offices in the top four town hall from the from the first to nov eighteenth so anyone wishing to donate it non next but if i happen to be in town hall and you want to have a partial nonperishable item and you happen to be here will be happy to accept i know last year there were dozens of boxes full of food food that was donated wonderful rit behind the high school in the modular and what are now modular classrooms and because of the overcrowding of the high school the superintendent gave the food pantry notice that they had to be out there by by the by the beginning of the school year so in august of two thousand and sixteen this happened you know over the summer as of the summer paddy had not yet found a new location and you know i initially got the call from david out for saying you know sammy what can you do you know you know people in the business community who can help and host the food pantry and so you know there was a  kind of panicked search ok we reached out to many people to see who could you know take in the food pantry we did have a time deadline you know eventually paddy did meet up with pastor brian burlington you have a church in burlington and then you recently opened up in belmont on lexington street in waverly square and it seemed that that would be the perfect location for the food pantry because it's in waverly where there seems to be more of a need and it's right next to a bus line which allows for convenient transportation at the same time the church was anxious to reach out and help and be part of the belmont  community so they offered space to paddy and you know i think david you know had a pastor brian and i went and looked at the space and it needed a little bit of work ok so so so they would be able to move in by october november i think was the timeframe and then the next challenge became will where does the food pantry move between september first and november and that's where mr tosti paul tasse came and belmont car wash and you know paul and his brother adam were generous enough to provide the food pantry with some with an interim know and in addition to that i would like to say you know paul's workers you know work considerably and paul donated materials to help improve the basement home in the church that needed some fixing up and you know paul i think you donated few thousand dollars and and time and materials to help make that ha someone that i had reached out to trying to brainstorm some creative ideas we came up with until brian was wonderful to offer it one of the things that we were studying our toes on is that the overlap was for belmont serves as you gentlemen are aware is one of the largest food collections that we have for the belmont pensionable year and unfortunately it was right before the mount hope church was going to be ready so what did we do with fifteen hundred bags of food that we collected and that's where paul came to the rescue again by finding one of those enormous containers and my religious center of bethel temple agreed to host the container container was placed and bell and the belmont religious council arranged for all the collected bags of food to be brought to this container where it was left until such time that it could be brought over and the church was ready so there was enormous amounts of players and dominoes led by of course paddy in order to be able to make this happen and keep things going and then you know brian in his community stepped up and said we've got it space in the basement they have a left and it's what we've been there two openings it's been quite interesting this saturday actually will be the biggest test of all because everyone is received it's a holiday and one of the things that i would like to extend to the three of you is that i would be greatly appreciate that one i do it we just went to pod for the for the belmont service and i said to her how can i too would i know would have contacts and so he was standing there and he was just taking everything all in we were all off and up and i said oh by the way do you know any companies that own it and he says well dive get some connections and then he offered his services he had containers that we could use and that didn't quite follow and then he started making phone calls a lot of it was yeah a lot of it was our side oh yeah and so sammy has been very welcoming to us in that neighborhood and we really appreciate that and one of the things that we wanted to do was benefit the community in some way so when sammy i mean if i didn't get a phone call from them and have him come down and you know ask if we could get some space i don't think any of this would happen but we were we were really happy to help out and a lot of the community work we did and and you know this is really the beginning of your season now yes you know when people are most in need during the holiday season and and and and you'll have your event at the  know there's some changes to the how are they but december is still the case the whole program will have articles in the paper and this is the fund raising there you know everybody can can do to support the food pantry you know and everything you know with the ok jack if you don't mind hopefully you don't mind i'm going to have the chief join us we can do committee appointments after you jack but i think the chiefs here chief you want to join us yeah the should be a quick item yeah chief  years with liz and graham allison and they are very as you may know they're very supportive of the work the police the pop and the men and women of the no monthly spot and do and have been very generous  this is just another point and do this some circumstances we've talked about this program the lux ball programs a number of times and what this initial funding will be able to bring program is one of the most important jobs of components of the management of the police department and is a policy and procedure manual and that being said over the years it's been a goal of mine to try and bring it up to speed and make sure our policies and procedures meet with obviously all the changes in the federal laws state laws and best practice likes a poll has sort of mass to does program and what they have done is they have the program that they have in the process is unique but it's all across the country and i've been if you don't know the gentleman going in graham who is one of the founders i would founders of this program what it what it will help us to do by hiring like spall to work with us developing and updating us on policy and procedure manual we will be able to ensure that the development of policy and procedures will accurate reflect the mission of the belmont police firemen and how the mission will work in partnership with not only the employees of the famine but most importantly the citizens of the belmont les paul also provide us with the belmont police department daily training bulletins which will enhance our abilities and which will also take for the employees they will be able to understand in hopefully they will be testing and that way then we can be a specific customized policy manuals along with the daily training bulletin service like spall policy and training system helps has helped public safety agencies throughout massachusetts in the country reduce risk and stay ahead of litigation friends all at the same time communicating clear and concise policy guidance to the employees like spall business model was to seek release subscriptions and exchange for developing and updating policies police policies and procedures that are based upon best practice and the latest updates and statutory and case law that sounds terrific chief is this an on going to the funding need or is it just the one time thing you know it's a ongoing process obviously  your policy in place a manner as we know that what the changes in the laws that sometimes happen very frequently we want to make sure our policies and procedures are up to date and continually looking at that obviously with this donation will get well on our way but at the end of a probably the third year we will obviously incorporate in our business and i budget to move forward with it can continue what significant that's yes it is it is a very generous significant and as i as i've said in the past the house and family foundation has been very very generous in support of of the as mark mentioned our towns represent everything and school committee i've been on the school committee for a little over six years so i completed my second term in june and agreed to be reappointed for another three year ter but i did that with some trepidation and i stuff said i did it with the reservations that i did potentially not see myself serving out that full three years i have gotten terrific support within our community for my role on the school committee for you guys the war committee town meeting that's been terrific but but even i would say not just in the most recent past but for a while i've been feeling like belmont wasn't being well served by having me on the school committee i had taken a number of positions against the administration against my fellow colleagues and i think i was reaching the point where would often tune me out not because of what i was saying but because of who was saying it and so i did not think the amount was being effectively represented i was on an awful lot of thirteen to three twelve to two losing votes from my perspective in terms of being able to influence the school committee belmont's wasn't being represented much better than if nobody was there so i  dadt and then supporting the withdrawal i have concerns that that dynamic will be exacerbated and i will be even less effective so i didn't see myself serving on the committee for nine years  we have assuming other towns don't object to our withdrawal and i think there's virtually zero chance that there will there's another three years before we leave i think this would be an appropriate time for in carrying the torch for belmont you know representing a point of view and frankly on this issue which you both feel very strongly about neither one of us wanted to leave the district unfortunately that's were ended up if because of this building project and so i appreciate the  good skilled individual and so i'd love to you to think about other ways you could sort of this community for a time if your wife is watching sorry rather for you to have you back from all the hours he spent and i thoroughly enjoyed working and there have been very tense moments there been difficult moments you know but you represented belmont and you did a wonderful job and i just want to thank you for perseverance for putting up with that and for me jack will always be the leonardo dicaprio you know better for his service and in the in the in the cold wilderness of the belmont or the minuteman school committee what a tough assignment and you know it does take courage i think you're right and it takes perseverance and i also think you know you said that you learned a lot and i think that's one of the good things about doing things for the town is that there an opportunity to learn a lot and it's it's so for whoever you know we can find whoever applies i think even though it's through the what would you call it the stuff three years of your membership i bet there's going to be a lot of interesting things going on there and i certainly think the transition to i mean nobody is planning at least in my view to leave the minute man will just change from a member account to a nonmember so helping to manage and facilitate that as you mentioned earlier some stragglers this is another straggler in terms of a commitment it would be helpful just to support jack here general do you think thirty days is sufficient enough time during the holiday season to have interest expressed i doubt between know  yes of course i think ahead of time but i probably would appreciate approving the april fourteenth or the sixteenth which is another event that they buy for this two other events which is that cover page second paragraph like i would also like to request exclusion actually know i do appreciate you know i've gotten about five or six e mails from you go which way and so to begin again we recently a new two new schedules right and they both have the seven and a half percent which i think the three of us were comfortable with and i also think that they include the change in the mortality table because the normal cost went up the extension is done to twenty twenty nine the payment escalates from eight point four million in two thousand and seventeen to some fifteen point four million in two thousand and twenty nine in that represents a approximate five point two percent what i call balloon payment or increment each year right and then the one he takes it up to twenty thirty and that reduces the escalator to four point three percent and it also reduces the schedule payment in twenty thirty to fourteen million i sent i did send a memo today  saying that there wasn't much of a difference between the one he and what i've been proposing which is to  up before yeah i mean was that that these to me these are the relevant ones michael crowley even though he sent me an e mail and said he didn't ask for it i think he did ask for a schedule for twenty twenty nine and twenty thirty ok and these are the two that we have here in my judgment the one hundred twenty thirty is the is better than the one and it's also better than any of the twenty twenty seven's or twenty eight because it begins to address this issue of increment where our revenues are going up like three percent in these expenses are celebrating it formally seven zero point three and so the point i wanted to make in the memo that i sent the day was that if we just go to twenty thirty two the number the increment number goes from less than one percent and we need three and a half million dollars more in the first three team and what it does is so instead of escalating to a fourteen or fifteen million dollars payment we're at ten and that gives us the room that if the investment return doesn't turn out to be seven and a half  it turns out to be six percent or five percent when we come back in two years you know that gives us room to say ok we have we have some room that we can we can adjust before adjust this payment the other thing it does for us if i'm a regulator and i spent a lot of time in my career dealing with regulators in a people come to me every two years two thousand and ten two thousand and twelve two thousand and fourteen and now again in two thousand and sixteen and they say we're going to do x y and z and as ford points out consistencies and ford if they come to me seven years before i'm supposed to perform i might go gee you know i really don't want to do this for you guys you're going to have to do what you said you were go however what's happening this year in two thousand and sixteen is they're coming to us and they're saying look you know the mortality tables have changed so now we need another seven million dollars in the  you know so we have an opportunity to say ok we understand the need for that and we understand that the investment return might be less so yeah you know we can consider adding seven million to the viability which is what we were discussing doing but what we want in return for that is an extension of them the tour de and we want and what we'll get back to is the straight line now where this begins to break down that's the concept and where it begins to break down is the question is where are we going to get the three and a half million that it takes to do this in two thousand and eighteen two thousand one thousand two thousand and one and i know where there's five point four million dollars in the system but you guys are going to like to hear where it is but i know where it is and i'm not suggesting we do that i what i think we should do is i think that we should consider asking the retirement board to keep the seven percent for two thousand and two thousand nine hundred just like we said because that would be consistent seven point five meter seven point seven five no the seventy five but that's something we've been telling people all along anyway you know that's in the schedule yeah you're right and then what we do is we say all right we want the extension to twenty thirty two  then you can you can increment from where twenty twenty twenty is to get us probably you know like twenty thirty two and what that will do is that will reduce this increment to less than two percent and it gives us the flexibility to work with them going forward now as jim says and as tom says you know we're really talking about the next two years you know because we get to do this again two years from now but the problem we have is that these numbers go in the actuarial study and then floyd uses these numbers to talk to moody's and the retirement board uses these numbers to talk to parity and if we continue at the same maturity schedule that we're in we're going to be looking for five million stretch out to twenty thirty two and i'm just trying to understand what that means if we don't know what that means is that i haven't run the numbers but i'd prefer that they run the numbers and what they were here well no they haven't run those numbers but if they do run those numbers are based on subsequent to twenty three yeah and then if they send it up to twenty thirty two instead of that four point three percent that you see from many to fourteen million it's going to be almost  in that gives you that smoothly ok i think they should run those numbers and i think that's why you want another schedule well i mean you know what happens is when you're doing stuff like this in my experience you run as six point nine percent there right eight point two six point two can't we can't afford to have a comment like that so far so the an aunt decision we're suggesting there's no decision we have to become board other than cheney's investment return assumption if i can just summarize one more time what it does for the retirement board is they know that we will have the revenues to house to do that we also have the flexibility  a revenue stream to make those payments and so we don't have to you know if you're going to be here three years from now i may be sammy maybe but whoever sitting here doesn't have to go to the town meeting job for the next two years as if it were twenty twenty seven so it would we would extend the funding schedule to twenty thirty two but then we would give for the first two years an additional contribution to get it to the level of seven percent got so whatever the fine whatever it is it's nine million i was trying to understand the differences in the same material what what he's saying is if you if you just if you just extended this funding scandal schedule to twenty thirty two your initial these two years probably and then and then the reason that that's reasonable from our standpoint is that they're asking us to put seven million more on the liability and they're asking us to reduce the investment return and so it's you know it's a reduction  the consultant to the retirement for prepared and as best as i can tell for every year that you expand that you extend you actually increase your payment by issue that the town's ailing within all of you touched on it is the fact that under the present schedule we're obligated to put more into the pension fund each year additional contributions that are much more than revenues growing so fragmented growing through an after cent or putting in seven and a half percent sensually we're taking money out of the operating budget each year and as mr polow said clearly as a town we're trying to extend the reason operating over ri far as we can because we're going to be asking the taxpayers and eighteen for a huge additional burden because of the high school so i think the notion of putting some in eighteen and nineteen as mr william suggested the seven and a half percent contribution increase if you well so that's a slug of money upfront in two years and maintains a continuity there but then they send a twenty thirty two and therefore you're going to have increases that are at are lower than the rate of revenue growth so for managing the budget that is clearly what you want to do and i mean in the end we collectively as a town are making up for the sins of the past because this these weren't funded as they should have been decades ago these liabilities so there's no perfect answer but that's a balance and i think mr wood i mean there are number of options that i would i think would be satisfactory but i must say i the proposal that mr williams put forward this evening strikes me as you know very positive one and i don't see any real downside risk yeah i mean you extend the payment period but we've had to do that anyway because we had a big hole here which is the unfunded liability and we have to gradually work out of it and there's nothing magic about what date that ends twenty thirty two by the way the last thing i'd say is that that puts us still within where most of the towns in minnesota in the commonwealth part we could go to by statute to twenty forty obviously that would be a nonstarter twenty thirty two seems like a reasonable thing so thank you he was we were like it's a one of a thing so the warren committee is actually going to discuss this on wednesday night we haven't had any discussion of the meeting last light rates and the water and the water which should be adjusted to fairly reflect the role of those two services and all of this and that you know that's not a trivial amount of money and i think that's an interesting idea i prefer to just wait on that you know see what happens over the next two years and really revisit it down but well interestingly enough on that point if i may course there they're doing great right  expressed my thoughts on that but you know i'm willing to sort of you think about it over the next couple years nothing to stop the board from making a prepayment if you made that decision next year you could certainly take the assets that they have the money and make a payment and it would be reflected no that's right jim and there's no escaping the fact we have a pretty significant unfunded liability here and every year is that short quite a find by twenty you know and the more money you put up front early if you decided to go beyond just two years and you said important that jim has the request clear so that it's only just regurgitated what i thought i heard was that the retirement board would be requested to develop a schedule which would increase the contribution to spy seven point nine percent for fiscal eighty and in nineteen from this current seven percent and that basically in addition to that extend the funding schedule as if we were funding to twenty twenty seven which would be as it happens point nine percent increase six point nine seven it's right there and that is the current funding schedule but that's right so the until twenty one ok but  i guess one day one day is the current updated funding schedule with the new assumption with the new assumptions so basically to do what you're currently doing for the new schedule you need to increase the funding to seven point nine percent and then if you want to then extend the schedule to twenty thirty two that will have a different percentage increase well just a minute that's more considerable quarters he doesn't update it from work so we can't just talk and i'm just talking about hard so just because i think if you look at the legend here so i think generally speaking the two principles that have been agreed to was that the projected rate of return would go from seven point seven five percent to seven and a half years and then the mortality table schedule would be updated which has an impact on the unfunded liability so i think what i as i said before what i heard being asked of the retirement board would be to look at taking schedule one anyway and increasing the current payments by stu's by seven point nine to seven point nine percent increase from the seven percent that's not what i'm asking ok but i got what i'm suggesting the answer is no ok so which one do we what do we want to do you go to the prior have a ration seven percent this and you recommendation of supporting the seven have to sign is simply just suggesting that here is the current and how the retirement will react to this so here is the current funding amount this is what we expected to pay before they said they it's nine million six four three three one three which is another six point nine seven percent that at that point time in twenty twenty the schedule  current level that we already agreed to you know without the need or just want if you look at this funding schedule one the one that they sent us today look at winnie and look at column six you'll see in two thousand and eighteen with an extension to twenty thirty that numbers eight million seven and and i'm saying we would give them the nine million fourteen i understand ok i got it i had it and then it goes the nine percent instead of what was projected in the prior models right so i guess i would suspect to jim sloman would want to get some direction about whether you maintain the current assumption for payroll growth which is the three and a half and former quarter or you use the revised assumption of three percent because that plays in that's another component of the schedule in addition to the rate of return and the mortality so keep the current level payments as they are goes for the two thousand and fourteen study extended to twenty thirty two keep the seven point five years for two years right in two years  yeah ok that's fine and then the question is do you just assume the payroll growth through up to three and a half and four and a quarter i think for public safety or do you just use doesn't it isn't it is already implied within the i am and i i think the bottom line from my perspective is how much more money over this year in one thousand in two thousand and eighteen and nineteen if you want to pay over if you over the assumptions used to get fully fund our time with benefits for the future so we have received understand that what we're not looking to not fund we're looking to just ways that we can afford to continue to increase and fund so we should push the point that so this would simply be i think you know the matter that you would bring to the recommending that they run a schedule with those assumptions and then we would well that's what i heard him say is a run in the schedule or is it because you're providing a recommendation and thinking i mean you're making a recommendation without  think i think i can i think we should run the schedule i think the warrant committee should look at it yeah and then when reality is if you put more money in now i don't know it's him but here's the point that just me how can we how can we support this unless we see the numbers in terms of what that means well let's let's back up for a second then because to see ok let me just let me just when you're putting in about an additional what eight hundred yeah i paid one thousand dollars in the next two years then they would if you just extended the schedule and i think it's it's aligned with the chair  bit like we're acting on the fly ok and let me tell you why ok i am broad i am reading you know i came here prepared to consider it one two three year extension of the was this is the last report they issued where they gave us a aaa bond rating ok well markets a aaa bond rating the rating also incorporates aggressive funding of its moderate pension liability ok then i'm looking at the words of kathleen riley when we met a week ago usually they see one to two year funding extentions how well the bond funding agency view a five year extension ok and you know my discussions with the town treasurer also confirmed and reflected these two notions you know i mean i think our objectives are definitely to reduce the percentage increase in funding every year to make it more in line closer to the three point five percent increase in revenues annually i perfectly support that ok i perfectly support preserving our moody's bond rating because you know any any dramatic action could affect that especially in light of our very significant borrowing upcoming borrowing for belmont high school ok three if we extend it by five years to twenty thirty two we're under a new set of regulations i thought i heard kathleen riley say which will considerably restrict o flexibility you know in the future so i hear gems suggestion you know i think it's interesting but i almost feel like it's a who look at the tweet you know like for example if you look at extending the payment schedule for two years that gets us down to a five point two percent increase due to three years of perks per point three zero peter and boy that takes a lot of pressure off our budget when you know when you compare it to seven point nine percent increase so i mean i fully support that but but i think you know to just jim don't take it the wrong way i appreciate what you're doing i'm well beyond anything personal  you know i'm into you know almost three years and the real issue that i have is that i don't think we're going to be in a position  to come up with this fourteen million dollars you know in fifteen or sixteen whatever it isn't twenty twenty seven so i believe that we need to have an extension once i start thinking about that i go ok well is three years enough or is five years enough and then what pushes me over and that is that if i'm a regulator and i'm a and i'm a rating agency guy  but then the offset to that and what floyd can say to them is well you know we've agreed to reduce the investment rate to seven and we're changing the mortality table so actually the liabilities going up seven million you know over over the term so we need to we need to organize this with regard to our operating budget and we need to recognize the fact that we're putting icicle out there in my experience if you have in into a favorable situation that's a positive not a negative and the other thing is that we're talking to people about numbers that we don't we don't have the authority to generate we have to go to the electorate to get these numbers as you know render you know we're under the we're at the levy and we're at two and a half plus whatever new growth we got so for me this number has got to be lower you because you know he said yesterday that you know we're looking at a twenty million dollars pick in the python and you know how we going to get rid of that in the way you get rid of that is you restructure you restructure within your revenue stream and then and then you can then you can handle the action going forward in the action going forward is making these payments accommodating the high school and then accommodating any investment shortages that we  three to twenty thirty but also keep it at the same funny level for seventeen or eighteen in the nineteen as we just described refuses an additional six hundred ninety thousand seven thousand additional funding in eighteen  the increase is four point three zero percent which is closer to rate of increase of our revenue still above not quite the twenty three to come you made i'm sensitive to the moody's issue for five years my sense is me probably won't support something twenty thirty two although we both have our own thing as well i should say i have my own use at the moment but the war committee itself is not deliberated so right where you views i'm concerned about going to twenty thirty two i think twenty thirty is manageable i think there are also other if we take a more global view of the town budget i think there are opportunities for changing some of the funding priorities between now and twenty there now but there's no free lunch where we are on the margin and everything is at the expense of something else and there's a question of  what what are your most important priorities and there is no i don't think there's a painless solution but i think there's a way to make it work twenty thirty ok i've got you know you see self supporting that  to throw additional money in the next couple of years is not going to make much of a difference return difference in this investment climate ok who knows and i want to know knows but that's what i heard stabilization fund and we can either use them if need be if there's a crisis we could either then use that money to throw at pension liability in the future or we can use it to leverage override which is the ultimate objective in a situation two years from now you know now we have to do the twenty four any update right and they have only earned four percent now this but none of these schedules are any because you know now that they'll be down six percent on their return because it's you know four percent a year is less green it's seven percent less than than they they should have burned or they were scheduled and so now the sudden then they're to come back with new schedules and the numbers are going to have to go up and if you're within ten years of that maturity i mean if i were a regulator and i were rating agency guy then i would say you better not change your schedule your maturity you know i don't trust you that's that's when i would say it but i think this year we have a chance where we can propose five and and they may or may not take it but it keeps our the keeps the funding level in eighteen nineteen the same as it was before so i think to sort of align us all to marry all of this and hopefully have the unity i would suggest that we support a recommendation to the report time  forward to adopt the seven point five zero percent rate of return assumption to update the mortality assumptions to fund  extend the funding schedule to twenty three that's what i'm proposing to have agreement on that john of so m assumption of seven point five zero percent updating the mortality assumptions funding for fiscal year eighteen in fiscal year nineteen  at the level of funding as provided by the twenty fourteen actual report what you write those numbers right and yet the number of the me give you the numbers they said nine million zero one four which are as follows nine think that if this was adopted and happy with cathy riley we would run a new schedule and you get the most like that ok i have and i have so can i second discussion discussion ok so what we're saying is extended to twenty thirty yes ok and we follow the schedule one no let me finish we follow the schedule one formula ok funding formula but in the first two years we're going to give about a million dollars in additional funds to pay down pension liability that's the way of the only things to me i would suggest ri save in the subsequent fiscal year is ok as much to the to that to the maximum extent we can ok if we can if we can put some of that money twenty twenty twenty one twenty two who know that's who look like from financial point of view so clearly i think it's what is always supported my thoughts around you know i would say the general stabilization fund also say you know maybe it is the cap of stabilization and so i mean i think we've always you know me really you certainly for i mean your i'm always looking to sort of reserve money if we can put aside money or invested in capital so i don't think that should be part of the motion but certainly you have a cannot say part of the motivation ever commit to me has or has approved our feasibility agreement and so now we can move into modular to one of which is the selection of our own this project manager we can now go and hire an architect to do the feasibility study and now explore the three options that were contained in the enrollment certification   financial report in the first quarter to the board tomorrow i've been asked by the work commute also share that with them also we can discuss it in detail like they're on the six thirty financial report  some point maybe it's a working session we want to talk about calendars sit down and go through budget thoughts and guidance for the coming year i know he started to formulate that we love any we've been so busy with so many other different issues that if you think about when we do that i prefer i prefer perhaps a working session on the friday that makes sense of the holidays as a holiday the holiday on the committee well that has to be designated and then in the dhamma environmental group representative have we martin so if you look at the memo that was submitted by the chair the energy committee in europe we have gave it your moment ago so basically his recommendation is to designate donald mercier is the business representative and then to designate martin ventnor as the environmental group represents a representative point martin but that is correct if so what you've done is you've designated you've not him another spot would become vacant because you have eleven members on the committee if you now reassigned mr mercier to the business agent his former spot becomes vacant and then basically if you look at the sheet i just passed out to you it's and you also have another vacancy to swear in which when then basically if you look at the prior redact certain things that fit certain criteria in terms of privilege or confidential or other criteria so with before you you have the executive session meeting notes from two thousand and ten to two thousand and fifteen their requests from two thousand and the current yes to two thousand and fifteen to two thousand and fifteen and as i read the request and this is my second question it and ask for minutes that what i talking to the chair i think what we will do is as a matter of practice at the end of calendar year two thousand and sixteen go through this process and then recommend to the board the release of the session meeting notes for the county year two thousand and sixteen as a matter of practice ok and what about the years prior to two thousand i am not aware what the process was used prior to two thousand and ten and frankly our focus has been since we received requests to comply with the two thousand and ten to two thousand and fifteen i think i will make the assumption that those who are least at some point have to do some restructuring for you i'm not asking you to do that i'm