good afternoon everyone sorry for the beginning we had a little audio defect and it was it me so i just want to say thank you for everyone that it's here and if you wish to speak please there's a sign up sheet back here as you come in so that we can get that and make sure that it gets to be so that you can speak on anything you'd like to talk about this will be my first session back for five weeks and it wasn't because i had to be it was because i had the work done so ok enough of the jokes here we go the we'll call the meeting of march twenty third to warner and i have all my staff here and i'm going to let  welcome to missioners welcome public this is the second to last meeting of the planning commission's review of the draft a community plan update well also be meeting tomorrow from tenne to community center so the commission has been reviewing the plan over the last about five months and prior to that the community plan advisory committee reviewed the plan for about seven months the next step is the plan will be transmitted to council in may where the council will have up to a year to review listen to testimony and approve an adopt the community plan so  we're still in the middle of a long process tonight we have a number of items on the agenda the commission is going to do a bit of work on chapter ten implementation and monitoring and then they are going to review previously submitted written recommendations go through those items and then on the agenda is within chapter six the landrieu sections this area descriptions which includes also previously submitted written testimony on the east them policy statement west end policy that was submitted at the last meeting and then also on the end of the agenda is all chapters that have been reviewed at the at the meetings so if there's any testimony on any of the chapters you will be able to do that so the chair is going to take testimony throughout the meeting and we ask that your testimony is relevant to the item that the commission is reviewing at that point but i believe you will open testimony at the beginning for anyone who is not able to stay through the duration of the meeting if you have something you want to testify i on with that and i'd like to say that if you do have testimony please please with the amount of work that we have to do here and limit it to three minutes so that we can get everyon s testimony and so with that being said  like to make public testimony please come here in this lovely chair state your day and tell us what you'd like to your testimony yes thank you in the land use which is actually a foundation for ethical decision making and when you do decision making is specially when concerning land use it should have at least three things that are considered which is honor of the past and you're seeing the needs of the present and also setting up for the abundance for future generations and for our policy we felt that it was really imperative for it to be accepted it it's in its entirety because it is the voice of the community when you pick and choose and try to take it apart what happens is the little is taken out and the reasoning community has gets bastardized and so we wanted it in its entirety  personnel on sunday and they actually address our contaminated water issue so thank you thank you very much and thank you for the sheet which you had for our hand ok seeing the public testimony is closed we will move on to chapter ten so next we're moving on to chapter ten implementation and monitoring and commission i think you remember last time i gave an introduction to this chapter and you went through a number of items and prioritize them whether priority one or priority two with priority one being a higher priority and in your packet there's a half sheet that is a list of new actions from the march tenth meeting it was in your packet it was mailed to you that this will be very brief these are three actions that you added at the last meeting they were part of recommendations and all we need to do is just assign priority one or party two to these three actions so it's all right with you chair and with commissioners if we do it how we did last time and i can just read the action and somebody can make a recommendation whether it's priority one or priority to see if there's any disagreement and we'll just move on ok so the first one is three point one point sixteen assists in developing educational materials to educate visitors including visitors engaged in one thousand and fifteen about the importance of natural resources to the cultural and subsistence practices  recommendations and public if you're interested there are copies over there and commissioners i was starting to hand them out you've previously received them but you may or may not have brought them today so let me just make sure that  those and there's also a number of items that actually aready have been addressed so we can just skip over those your commission is already to address those and then i would say there's a couple things that you could consider taking action and so if that works for you chair and commission ok five that table in front of you ok so halfway down the page will start on chapter one the first three recommendations are there basically just the wording or correcting an the commissioners would you want to go through so the second one chapter one page one three two it's regarding fast facts it's just a minor correction taking out  i believe you already took action on this on your generate fourteenth meeting next is same section page one dash ten opportunities strong caring community just noting  that should not be plural and changing our to is the next opportunities be cultural resources and traditions your commission has already taken action on this and you've added this ok for chapter three natural heritage and scenic resources the first one was on page three dash six line twenty four and the suggestion is to add the term traditional ecological knowledge with initials t e k as a tool resource or strategy in this section or elsewhere in the chapter so our recommendation is to have that added into action three point one point zero two and action three point one point zero four and then also take that wording traditional  k as a tool resource or strategy and add the word support in front of it and make it a policy chapter on page three seven line sixteen the age old recommendation is out of policy i'm not sure of the current number a now we've added a lot of policies since this was written but it would the policy wording would be encourage and support research that studies the water quality in basis species and circulation issues around the congo because i wore frode and small boat i think we have quite a number of new policies from ohio last time so i think we're the numbering will be it'll be added at the bottom of our policy list then for the next item again on page based resource management partnerships three point one point zero six we have had in the in the partner column we've had community groups and she goes and given specific names as a partner where appropriate such as action three point one point ten community for the coastal areas and action three point one point one three and  and then the next sections three point two general you are going to address those to the bottom of the page recommending removal of location data from the culture resources map and your commission already took action on this on the january fourteenth meeting if you turn the page to page three dosh eleven line twenty five the recommendation is to reinstate and amend a policy recommending that it would read as require the identification and protection of archeological and cultural significance sites prior to and during construction this was a policy that was in there it was previously removed because it is already established practice and covered by law  covered in the plan so that takes care of chapter three the second one intro and or existing conditions which are on pages four dash one to four dash five how are hurricanes earthquakes and drought defined under hazards not explicitly discussed in the section is the definition a hazard land use plan but i have put in their references to the has a mitigation plan which does define in detail what those hazards are so the focus of the community plan was to get more into how might these impact molokai and what can we do to try to mitigate or minimize that destruction and damage so no there shouldn't be definitions in here and what the specific hazards are are they've all been cited to references in the hazard mitigation plan then for four dash six my number three additional issues that could be listed here or discussed in the narrative and there's three one is the lack of warning sirens and that is on page four dash three in the narrative i mean if you want to put there's a lack that's fine but there are right now or i'm sorry eleven and yes six more that are going to be added there's an update it's supposed to happen by this summer and additional six to  information on that in terms of the coastal highway which is issue number two we've addressed that in numerous places throughout this document in terms of transportation and storm water runoff and even on a part in here and then a number three no government or number three government regulations that impede mitigation efforts so i guess my question would be what government regulations impede medication efforts i  comfortable in just making that statement and putting that in this plan unless there's a specific example manual and i would probably have to ask him what he meant by it exactly but without specific examples i think it's totally fair to say that you know that language shouldn't be in the plan unless we can cite specific examples we're ok with that twenty six on the policies the suggestion is to amend policy number four to add the following language support the integration of science based and then the add addition would be as well as traditional ecological knowledge based coastal hazards information into land use planning or add a new policy and the new policy would state support the integration of traditional ecological ecological knowledge based coastal hazards information into planning for resilien my suggestion would be not to mix the science based i would i say i don't see what's wrong with because we had it with the sea pack they had said i know as africans calero to mention that it was important and holly law that it was important to try to where you could and as appropriate incorporate local knowledge i would make it a separate i mean the language is fine i would make it a separate policy would be and set of mixing the two i'd make it a separate policy have it stand on its own ok then under four dash nine in the action table add an action similar to actions four point zero five and four point zero six which states identified critical infrastructure dot dot dot vulnerable to high winds and heavy rain events i don't think that's necessary i think it's a great suggestion but not only is it covered at not massively and has a mitigation plan but even in this plan when fema looks that coastal hazards implicit  that is high winds high rain high priest storm surge so that's covered under coastal hazards pam if you skip one probably policies general recommendations include recommendations  hazards presentations and policy thank you for bringing that up yet thank you we did we i mean i even have them in here with jim buca and terrell owens about yes so those are covered in here verbatim as well as the wildfire mitigation ones so those are put infrastructure i know we have that in transportation we have we have that in a couple of places where you don't incentivize home and there you go incentivize so incentivize homeowners and businesses to install and maintain backup energy generation to increase post disaster resilience my one comment on this and this is personal experience i used to be the director of the state emergency management rhode island generators are tricky because fema will not buy homeowner's generators so when you say in e and money and that sort of thing nor could the state but you can that to me is very tricky the fema and the county can't can't purchase in generators for specific private property owners but they certainly could ensure that county facilities have generators and that shelters have generators which i believe is already covered and i certainly i know is in the hazard mitigation plan it's just they can't dole out money to individual deer crossing this may need to be an action but maybe to contact state d o t highways to look into doing this along the main highways on molokai i know once the pack we discussed this and we went back and forth rather should be whether it should be an hazards or it in transportation in terms of roads yes it is completely one hundred percent of state d o t because of on their roads so there's and there's nothing that says and it's a great suggestion but again it falls totally within the realm of it would go in as a policy obviously not an action item because but as a policy item with language like that and what you wanted in hazards are back in transportation dealing with road i would leave that up to the planning department and the commission to make that decision but i do think if there's a way to mitigate the hazard you guys just brought a great ok so as far as that that very last item that we use language something along the lines of mary you had it going support to put is a policy in chapter eight under infrastructure and then within infrastructure under transportation which support the state d o t highways to address the hazard of deer on the highway and that would be age eight eighteen under transportation policies and it could be i've lost track of i don't know what policy number but we could add that as a policy folks so i don't think we should lose that just because we don't put it in here but that might be a good incentive program for what we are going to be working on is hazard mitigation and community resilience planning for  and so that would definitely be something we would try to  recommendation is adding an action that reads support workforce development efforts targeted at sex sectors poised to revive the economy that covers chapter ok now we're moving on to the next one it's just a one page it's at the top it covers chapters six and seven ok a number of these are just grammar spelling corrections the first one on page six dash one line thirty the next one page spellings with and then page six dash nine six ok this one concurs with planning department and deleting of highlighted text regarding ag lands so this was a recommendation that the planning department made and this is in the land  on page sixty nine nine as it is in the plan it reads discourage developing or subdividing agricultural lands for residential uses where the residents the primary to review this recommendation so we're going over this because also would recommend it so our recommendation on this policy nine would be to strike out unless warranted or sea level rise and is not prime agricultural land this portion of the policy was added by a sea pack member that was concerned about limiting limiting subdivision in and use of agricultural land that is not suitable research conversion to different designations in this policy nine we believe that it's by having the second portion of the sentence it's confusing to many issues and that is should just read  without that highlighted portion so i hope that makes sense moving on under housing section six point two page six dash twelve line fourteen is recommending to add as a factor in his being the development of affordable housing development constraints posed by the presence of numerous undocumented or poorly documented wetlands or archaeological sites on residential lots of record i guess that would is that in the just in the general discussion nancy there were a listing of factors that affect fourteen and the suggestion was to add that as a mother f fourteen ok yes it's in the existing condition section to add that as a faster and lastly page six dash fifteen line two to add an action o sorry no under action six point two point zero three not sure why they were added as a partner this action is to amend the zoning code to allow a greater variety of housing types to comment because it looks like we do need to work closely with the county regarding zoning mentioned as it affects subdivision development standards and  quite homelands although it's not likely to happen on this island but it will definitely be happening on the other we are looking at creating rules for multi family and rental different kinds of alternative housing types so we would like to stay on as a partner and for this action so that covers chapter six and there's no comments on chapter seven recommendations page one dash two line eight this is regarding the cemetery section and your commission r d addressed this and clarified the language at the february eleventh meeting so this recommendation is no longer needed next under nine point seven governments page nine dash twenty one line twenty twenty two the recommendation is to just clarify the ownership of land that col apapa to read as the peninsula of makalu it is nat it is in it's own county and it's lands are owned by the federal and then ok and then on the second sheet there's a duplicate comment for the ok does anybody know for sure who owns the airport community member just said that the lighthouse for sure state usually owns airports right so maybe we should double check that one i apologize for the confusion i've just take it out take it out there you go ok cemeteries in actually a little bit different it's a little bit different but i mean you can consider this language as she has it written but you did adopt language in the information on cemeteries that covers the existing conditions ok if the commission satisfied with the language were satisfied well we were asked to provide information about cemeteries on  included so that has been included in chapter two that's my understanding i don't have the revised language in front of me ok in one of the multitude of handouts and then that there was a general comment so i didn't know how the commission wanted to address that as far as maintenance oh ok sorry ok this is the last sheet and then up at the top it says chapters eight and nine but it really addresses nine ten and the stem policy statement so we already covered nine chapter ten implementation and monitoring the recommendation is regarding table ten point one in ten point two the comment is highly suggest further refinement of indicators in consultation with  residents to better reflect the unique nature of life i suggest incorporation of principles of sustainability in the indicators to be added so this is referring to in chapter ten on page four and ten five there are two tables table template one has examples of core indicators so this is the implementation and monitoring chapter and these core indicators are how the plan how the planning department will monitor the implementation of plan  there's various core indicators regarding transportation economic development population watershed systems wildlife ocean and these are standard core indicators that are pretty much used throughout the community plans my one comment here with these that the m for a nation for these core indicators needs to be readily available it needs to be reliable we need to be able to find the data and what's in here is and these are the text in this chapter explains that these are just examples of indicators that may be used but they're not sent down they can be changed as the planning department does do status reports and monitoring that they can change as necessary and as other data would become available and we also try to kind of keep it a bit standard to be able to have comparisons among the islands so that would just be my comments on that are not given to grow i would i would leave it to the will the commission but i guess the point being that life and quality of life and how it's evaluated can be very different than how it is evaluated on maui and i think that's been a historic problem with the county of maui having three very very different islands and different priorities and different values in those communities different make up for instance the percentage of residents on this island live on homestead is much higher than any of the other islands so i think that's where that comment was coming from and i'm hoping that the county will consider at some point trying to figure out a way to desegregate the county data and more finally you know do more finally grained analysis and evaluation based on the very different conditions on each of the islands thank you specific statement but i don't think we're ready for it at this point because i really cannot figure out looking here what would be a specific unique core in the well i think that over time the planning department should be working with this community to develop caters and to start gathering that and i would suggest that some of the work of some of the organizations that are sustainability focused on  island would be a good way to go because what we're seeing with planning in general and community resilience in particular is that sustainability measures can be very important  tools and many communities throughout the country are doing this now and i would think it would be a missed opportunity if it wasn't one of those communities is based line data but it would not be incorporated that within chapter ten to me that does not seem appropriate or makes sense don't think too much more time but it's just because under one of the core social environmental indicators you have subsistence so if you have a category like that what is your resource haha are you or what is the legitimate i was just looking at the pending that appendix two point one has the definition of sustainability and why and then also appendix two point two under your in your  plan under tab twelve and it says in there that you're looking at respects the culture character beauty and history of our states and communities and strikes  balance between economic social and community environmental priorities and meets the needs of the present without compromising the billet of future generations to meet their own needs so i think that the indicators where they have the economic and social and community things those measures that are put into chapter ten are there to come to this what there is and correct me if you're wrong is maybe in the text of before those tables something that says discuss how there is that balance between economic social community and environmental priorities so when you look at all the  to the last comments on here regarding the policy statement and while that's on the agenda and i don't think we're going to cover it in detail tonight unless the commission wants to walter did ask me to hold off on it  from the january fourteenth meeting as you may remember at that meeting and testified and had a number of recommendations and your commission asked for us to bring those recommendations back in writing so that you could consider them so that's what this is so at the beginning regarding chapter one page one and the recommendation is to add a new opportunity subsistence economy which reads subsistence is second economy one third of the food eaten comes from subsistence only comment on this would be that according to the  my response to that would be just to add the word approximate to the second sentence under chapter three natural heritage and scenic resources under the existing conditions section recommendation with the added description of the north shore including it historical value and future value of its pollutants coming out of model cropping agriculture herbicides and fertilisers are not well understood by many in the community and potential negative impacts are only comment on with this would be that the first edition  s coming out of mana cropping agriculture is redundant with the following words herbicides and fertilisers so much my response would be  the that kind of crops ok that's the activity in the monic cropping so you have your it so but the rest of it is a list of what the pollutants are so it's the cumulative impacts to surface and coastal waters from from pollutants and then it lists the pollutants including sediment home and business chemicals herbicides and fertilisers are not well understood by many in the community and presents potential negative impacts that make sense but you have to have what the pollutant is from on a crop in agriculture in order for it to make sense for it to be in the list so can you figure out how to make sense out of it by adding one of cropping somewhere in there maybe you've got home and business chemicals so the chemical a chemical so we're looking for the pollutants out of out of mana crop in agriculture what tycho thought comes from that is going to be herbicides and fertilisers ok someone a cropping from one a crop in agriculture is the ones that are producing the herbicides insecticides fertile i mean you don't have enough psi in there either so but those two impact the surface across the waters from pollutants including sediment home business chemicals and and business with those described where the pollutants that coming from i mean you could just have chemicals in the same sense that it's settlement chemicals herbicides and fertilisers is not just the pollutants but the activity to generate the pollutants so here it so here human lives impact to surface in coastal waters from pollutants including sediments herbicides fertilisers from on a cropping homan business chemicals as another source as the last source in the list but the settlements herbicides and pesticides for money cropping specifically suggestions so i don't know if this is only any difference but it makes sense to me and it is a local plan maybe we just understand the the language i mean i understand it i think is the language monitor ok i don't know what resource but  pack we spent a lot of time talking about this subject it was a very contentious subject for the c pat and the reason was that  has had its negative impacts and that can be debated forever but the use i think the gist of the testimony is that we know the nearshore waters are being in this particular case and i think it's also covered elsewhere in the plan that pesticides inclusive all verbal side and insecticides they're all pesticides governed by the federal government i would be comfortable and i think the sea pack was comfortable with saying that we are aware that these are all problematic things that go into our ocean mean we know egg has had its impacts we've seen that with pineapple and the residual effects of hep the quare which later got outlawed by the federal  as to say because it is valid that egg has produced negative impacts to the near shore waters and that pesticides and chemicals including fertilizers which is also here do i hear a motion or the order i'm sorry i'm sorry i'm jumping the cart before the horse ok well marshals working on that will move on down the list and i'm going to skip the next one because it has the word model cropping so we'll deal with those two together the next one is page three dash seven the recommendation is to add a new policy which reads ensure baseline data collection of south shore water quality and coral reef conditions and when walter made this recommendation of the january fourteenth meeting mary pointed out that this is already addressed in action three point one point ten but you wanted us to just document that in these common comments so moving on page  to comment on the position action three point one point canada reads as you work with federal state and county agencies to initiate a program to provide education and and support for charities stewardship of the coastal areas including conducting baseline studies on the coastal water quality right so that's not the intention that i have three the three point one point ten is talking about the for the doing work with education and stewardship and water quality i'm talking about more than water quality i'm talking about the impacts on the reefs and all of the life on the reef so i'm talking about not only just water quality water quality is pretty specific but my concern is the impact on the the life of that system mary this is your section would it make sense on the end of that one to just add it on the end or six point one point ten and for a race condition i want to add a new section because this for us this is at the heart of what are we talking model cropping or whatever we're talking about going on the reef we need a baseline data to do in the future we can see what happened because all this stuff can go in the reef and if there's no baseline data on the effects of the coral in the life on the on the reef we're not going to know whether there's any impacts so this is not about stewardship program on water quality disses much more what i'm saying so i want to add a new another section that deals with so your recommendation is to break that action into two actions  think then you're looking at a policy rather than what you had here at a new policy so it's not an action so it's like because really your economic development and their numbers because they have a community stewardship program u s g s and they have a wire menal coordinator but then vironment a coordinator does not do the kind of technical studies that you're looking at the the u s g s does technical studies environmental coordinator works with community groups to do stewardship and education so that's where it could be a county agency and here under three point one point ten i think what you're looking for then is just the federal and state technical studies and i corrected that what you want that would have to be a policy where the county would support having that by the federal and state agencies ok ok it would you would create a policy that included that wording and then you would add on over on maui so yeah you get out a three point one point ten which is more of a community stewardship and education but then the wall just looking for more technical studies next is page three dash ten lines forward to seven  three dash eight action three point one point ten the recommendation is to add branch and g m o companies to the partners and as mary mentioned before we do not add this if it companies are specific names to the partners we use more general terms so we would recommend using the terms large landowners and agricultural operations instead so we're go and change the mechanics of the sentence it accomplishes the same thing where we identified the pollutants and whether it were going to benefit the source and then list the you know the only word that that would be to what sense is not well understood those were our generation this generation they understand and then you just went straight into and present potential negative in that anybody have a position to think you can present because the statements is herbicides the fertilizer and present signs the can we say herbicides and fertilizer and can present as opposed to implying that everything does present chairman just a just a thought i mean i understand the mana cropping thing in the issues that are produced with that but also just diversified agriculture you still use herbicides and pesticides with that so it's a almost anything except organic farming organic agriculture you're going to be using i think the point of the statement here is that we can educate the public that everything we do whether we're growing vegetables you're washing your car or the the business owner is not responsible what how he parks is so yes all of our cultures and to create themselves if it's not responsible homeowners if they're not responsible for their chemicals is also going to pollute so the point is to bring to the attention of the residents of the island that everything you do impacts our surface in coastal waters that's what we're trying to accomplish not point a finger at any one person but saying everything we do that's not what i'm trying to accomplish all we a cropping is the key problem right now is the one that you have to use ten times more chemicals ten times more fertilizer than you do with greg and kind of diversif four times a year so this thing is it's right in our faces and it's it's and it's impacting the resort that's why i wanted to i'm not trying to say to the homeowners you guys doing something wrong i'm trying to i'm the guy that have huge impact on our reef that's because they're all muck up of our reef everything goes downhill it's just so basic if we don't look at it as a community you know it's there we're not addressing the elephant in the room so that's my my goal is to put the elephant in the room and shine the light on them so everybody can start to understand what is happening to all reef so i know i don't before i read i understand what you're trying to accomplish so what if it was a right here what we're calling for is a public awareness of all activities that are responsible affect the health of reef so what if we just use agriculture including money  automotive chemicals they're not well understood by the community it just makes it more wordy i believe what we've already written here covers the fact that we need to do more education we've got to bring it to the public's attention that everything we do on this island impacts the health of the reef there are other places you've said we're just highlighting the the model cropping is something we don't want to do anymore we're going to go to diversified agricultural were teacher farmers change the river at the angle your crops use different irrigation methods so that your pesticides and your skills don't run off into the grief so even though i read something i believe in what we originally wrote up in book cheese or trying to accomplish ok so he doesn't have a motion chair because i really can the one if he doesn't have one ok i'm still cumulative to surface and called the waters from pollutants including sediment pesticide home and business chemical pollutants coming out of agriculture including mine across being herbicides and proto lasers and pr and can present potential negative impact just in the text that we have here it's understood that that's where they come from the pesticides herbicides and the fertilizers is from agricultural activity what we're really trying to highlight in this statement is  not the source but the fact that the community just doesn't understand that we need to increase our education that activity or efforts so that the farmers are more responsible the homeowners are more responsible and the businesses are more sponsible so we can protect the integrity of our reef ok i don't have a problem amending the motion on that first part if you want to go back to the original statement but just understand that water was ok with the changes and that as one community based board by feeding that we address one broader range of people who might not agree that they want to be singled out as monochrome being being the sole devor of the agricultur do be perfectly clear lawrence or are you saying are what i'm saying is the original statement as what's already in the text here ok and is that ok and coastal waters from pollutants including sediment pesticides home and business chemicals pollutants coming out of agricultural agriculture including monaco being herbicides and fertilisers are not  sorry herbicides and fertilisers and can present potential negative impact what about three six three six are being threatened by the progressive propagation of invested plant species such as mangroves and their retained settlement causing poor water quality in the recommendation is to add and overgra motion to approve as as testimony submitted by walter at the january twenty eighth meeting i believe and the cover sheet it's a number of pages in the cover she looks like this i handed them out of the beginning of the meeting today and you've received it previously and it looks to me like the recommendations start on page four at the top it says comments community plan and chapter five economic development does everyone have that walter's testimony from january twenty eighth multiple pages mary's going to grab extra copies if anyone doesn't have i handed them out at the beginning of the meeting today so on page four of the top comments on chapter five economic development he recommends adding an issue number four that reads the need to protect and enhance rich and abundant natural resources in our north shore valleys and ourselves shore reefs i would just comment that this issue is covered in section three point one natural resources under the issues as well as in section three point two cultural resources under issue two so planning department would consider that this issue is already covered in chapter three natural heritage and scenic resources so in section three point one natural resources it's covered under a number of the issues under multiple issues so it's covered it's basically covered under all of the issues within six three point one regarding ecosystems are declining due to an increase in invasive species  impacts from pollutants but then specifically in three point two heritage resources it's covered under issue to promote the rehabilitation reuse and historic registration of significant cultural resources historic structures and cultural landscapes so our recommendation is that it's covered in chapter three i don't know that it's necessary in chapter five that's up to you to consider moving on policy recommendations under he recommends under policy five to cross out hunting you already did that number eleven and take out the word expand it is not in the current draft to expand i think that possibly is from a previous draft so that does not apply policy thirteen take out the word venison your commission at the january twenty eighth meeting deleted all of policy thirteen policies seventeen support and a subsistence economy he is recommending adding that in a new york commission did that at the generate twenty eight meeting is well under actions five point on recommending taking out the word venison i think that's probably from a previous draft it's not in this draft so does not apply action five point seven teens recommending to add a policy or sorry add an action support and help build a fish hatchery on the east end of the military and then finally action adding another action recommend all potential developers future of the hawaiian island to see if their projects fall in line with the concerns and issues i'm ok a i'm sorry i didn't comment on the last one support and help build a fish  know that there is a county role in this if there was a desire for this it perhaps would be more appropriate as a policy support if there was desire and on the last one that i read regarding the at you future of a why an island  referenced in the plan as a source document but i don't think it's appropriate to mention as county po ok thanks june commissioner it's open to us for discussion is your a discussion in chapter three cash economy then our resources are going to be see not that it's bad but i think that the as far as how you have the issue written the need to protect and enhance molokai is natural in abundant natural resources in both our north shore valleys in our south shore re believe that's covered in the previous chapter in chapter three under natural and cultural resources that's pretty established in the plan  but if there's a link here and you want it out as in if the commission wants to add it as an issue because the all i'm suggesting is a is a very short sentence in economic development i don't have the date that we accomplished it but i'm right i've got in my copy a road and in our our policies a number twenty one supports subsistence as a sustainable portion of a motor car its economy so we've already highlighted it's where on page five dash four we added a policy number twenty one where we would support subsistence a sustainable portion of here we did that some time ago at the january twenty eighth meeting i think upon your recommendation walter they added a policy to support and ok is or is there any further discussion early further comments i think the only thing i would have to add food for thought is that when i read the statement on that five dash through in comparison to the issue that is being bought for five who makes it very clear that there isn't that that we look at subsistence as a hidden economy as a secondary khana me as a replacement for many imported goods and i think when you look at issue four it strikes the need for looking at our subsistence economy sorry and things where we we depending on outside sources having one statement in an issue like that that shows the community recognizes our need for it while we still have the opportunity and ability to do it is seems to me on and sensible thing to do if you would if you would like to make abortion if we're going to go on hatchery they had or they had a really important role in increasing the population but then there was also sometimes competed with the natural populations so i'm just wondering if you have any concerns  to going to a fish pond and a it's all net everything is natural so there's a big difference because also it's got support restoration and utilization of fish farms number eighteen on page five four which essentially is what you're talking about here so it may be ratcheting it up to not just actually yeah you can do that give it up yeah i'm i'll amend my motion to instead of adding policy on that five point one seven to include fish  consistently we use documents as resources and we that we take we repeat small portions of them and we document them but this is quite a lot of information to duplicate within the community plan the problem with that is on are you going to find it is to me i don't know how you going to find it because it's not in print anymore and you can't find it i don't know how you gonna find this community plan for subsistence i don't think it's necessarily like defined as a term but it's discussed quite a bit it's discussed beginning would you like to add it as a definition i'm thinking that you have a definition for natural resources you have a definition for more economic you know what would heritage resources ninety four because it i it talks about given all the factors subsistent viable sector of the economy which is all true alongside sugar and pineapple plantation in the ranches i  the statements are outdated it would be it would be the same thing as the eastern sorry policy statement is to quit come up with an update right now the idea was to put it in in the year long process that it takes the council to review that those things could be worked out  vital part of this community great i'm i'm just a little bit concerned about putting something that's so outdated that it could render other things meaningless make it or we're really talking about really critical for people to understand what we're trying to do here even talk the word subsistence of this in but if you don't describe it a little bit whole people don't understand and if you jump on the plane and come here so like can we turn this went down just a bit at see what you're trying to say it's ballad it's valid it's a good point just like we defined sustainability we refer to it all through the document is something that we want to support we want to achieve if we put it in the appendix right after sustainability or before with the provision that we will publish it over the next year subsistence as a lifestyle as an economy all through the document and we can define it back here so that it it's part of the document it is that acceptable right here we can put an abbreviated not not all five paragraphs but up we can distill these five paragraphs and plug them in after line thirty one and in the body of the document define what  subsistence is we make the motion plug this in there with the provision that it's going to be improved but i appreciate your patience thank you we appreciate your input ok let's move on we are going  to there's actually a last page of authors comments the very last page is a half page regarding still chapter five economic development and i guess this is from them ok enterprise community forty project similar case ten years strategic plan ten economic development projects the recommendation is to be placed under actions under the action table in chapter five economic development so there's a list of i guess ten actions here they're not fleshed out actions are not full actions are just statements just an initial comment that some of these are already covered in the plan a number of them are not county responsibility so it would not be appropriate to have them as an action and others would need more explanation so i can just read through what it says here purchased acquire land from offshore owners for the community our comments would be for what purpose how is this a feasible action for the county next watershed protection for east and native forest this is covered extensively in chapters one specifically section three point one as well as chapter eight infrastructure specifically section water next taro and fish pond production this is extensively covered in section three point two cultural resources as well  economic development chapters and we discussed that regarding the fish pond policy as well as the as in the park section of chapter nine as well as i believe the transportation section of chapter nine next traditional land use and i would need more clinician next traditional fisheries management designation that is actually addressed in chapter three section three point two policies six that support traditional fisheries management does it may sion next  already covered that next to west and erosion control that is covered in chapter three section three point one next inventory of site that's covered a bit in so given that you guys have so much appreciate someone to just draw this whole section of and when i put it in i didn't know all these things were going to be covered over the course of this year so i'm ok with chapter two and just include it get one section in here that says working together towards a sustainable and resilient and just adding in income tax that all those years ago and carrying forward that on calling i did i did talk to the director and in terms of the statement support stream flow which is essential to the survival of native stream life he had no problem with putting that in but let's be clear  is not up to the county to enforce that yes as a principle in a policy absolutely but this is what gets them into lawsuits so he was agreeable to having that in you know sort of as a philosophical statement  n the community plan even though this does not fall within the purview of the community plan of falls within the purview of the water use development plan that action stands and i what i had in my notes was too big circle ask the director and then come back to this so it can go in but no i'm talking about the director the water department who actually wrote it looks into water issues i talked to david taylor yes ok man so yes that was ok that's all but again you know the water department we keep trying to say department of water supply does not enforce or regulate water allocation so as you can understand that's a very sensitive issue in on the bottom of the page i believe it's page three under chapter eight recommended a policy be added to section eight point one on page eight dash three to read support market stream flows which is essential to the survival of native stream life so yes this was not acted upon in the last meeting so if you choose  to like to move to approval his recommendation on chapter eight section eight point one c n page eight us three to read support multiple high stream flow which is essential to the survival of the native ok so next on the agenda is chapter six land use section the sub area section sudbury description section and under that is the eastern policy statement as well as the west manilow western policy that was submitted  public testimony at your last meeting it's on the agenda we are not going to take any substantive action on it tonight it's been requested by walter that we they have some documents to submit and they're not ready tonight they'd like to submit them tomorrow at your meeting when where and when i but it is on the agenda tonight so we will take public testimony on it but first i just want to give a bit of an overview to kind of just fill people in on the background on this because this has been an ongoing discussion so the east and policy statement is an exhibit in the current two thousand and one community plan w appropriate we did this because we believed it made it more implementable so it was tied to chapters or is appropriate for actions and policies  prac process we discussed this a lot and we heard testimony from many people that taking components of these stem policy statement and putting them in with the chapters defeated the purpose of the stem policy statement as a whole so the pack took that under consideration and one of their last meeting they made their recommendation to have placeholders for community generated sudbury descriptions for east central and west moloch i e as appendices to the land use chapter and as described in the land use chapter under the sub area descriptions section seven descriptions are community created statements that tell the story of an area and the desires of the community for future protection restoration and development so very descriptions do not contain policies and actions there is their description of that area  this was put in as i said at the end of the sea pack process with the intention of inviting community members to update the stem policy statement as well as if other areas central and west molokai wanted to come forward with the various descriptions it was noted that these very descriptions could be brought forward to the planning commission for their consideration for them to recommend for it to be included in the plan to council these descriptions would not just blanket lee be included they would need to be reviewed by planning department council and county council for consistency with a community plan as well as county policy so as you know there's anything group that has worked on revising the eastham policy statement sounds like there's another group working on revisions last week you received testimony regarding a monologue west end policy so i just wanted to give a bit of context of this ongoing discussion and and what the planning department policy has been from the beginning so as they said it's on the agenda so it's open we will these items can have public testimony but we are going to reserve any decision making for tomorrow and i ask a question either to the central and west have overlapping island wide issues as well as specific regional issues and aspirations so that that's i think that's the context of why we why it was put in  i'm just so reluctant that these people in these communities and put so much effort into one holistic plan and then we're going to sectional more often one stitch and so if you really don't want to use i mean our communities cannot be diluted down and i believe that long range may have been i'm not speaking for long range  because it's very difficult from their perspective to rate this plan according to them and the star set before them from the perspective but trying to get down to the nitty gritty  you're correct the community does feel that they want this to be more of a substantive document within the community plan because it says community plan i think didn't fully grasp the process from the beginning and to get to where this community plan is lying now i believe it was the  suggestion on the planning department that if we had to include a document such as the eastern policy statement it would be included in there i don't think it was ever voted on i think i felt like we were just told that it would have to go there if there was any appropriate place within the document that it would be referenced there what i just heard jennifer explain is that that can be under the thumb area plan within section six however it holds no teeth there's no in force mid attached to it it really is just this flowery document the several members of the c pac have fought for the eastern policy statement but we were told from the beginning that the important priorities in aspects of the plan was taken out of the plan and inserted into the appropriate places within this draft document however it was not clear to myself where were the w so there was no redaction of the document and saw it was very hard to follow from my perspective and so we really couldn't see where this came from and in reading that eastern policy statement the real value of the entire document is the intention behind the documents it wasn't the specific goals of policies or whatever it was the entire description all the nuances and the intentions of that community and how do you feel and so that is what we were trying to protect and what we were china to convey to long range that was of utmost importance to retain the intention of monarchy because in the community plan document felt and we still i personally still feel that the eastern policy statements submitted any place in this band is a priority for me and that's why i continue to be here and i'll be in eastern so yes our community has come all and they've worked really hard and it would be a disservice to them and disingenuous at this point if this document was not treated with respect out of the countless hours and that's why from the beginning of the one thousand nine hundred eighty one community plan and then the update in two thousand and one all of this hard work  that was done by grassroots community people many who are not with us today we felt that we needed to carry that on for this community and so i hope this  commissioners take that into account tomorrow when you go out to the community and they come and they make their representation to you if all that the county's going to offer us is that it's go that way we wanted to have peace but i guess as long as it's adopted within this plan somehow and carries over it is an important piece of all of our community plan document for the county then so be it because i have a hard time when mary with respect and the planning department with respect comes and says well that's not our it's a state issue environmental policy so in that sense it really is and it should be reflected in a community plan so in order to have the type of substance that we talking of all in importance now that you've been through the process oil where would it best fit in the community  session ok let me finish with one of the suggestions would be if it's at all possible to create a chapter eleven we don't really care if you could call describe it as an area description but it these things couldn't have been a quick brush i have to acknowledge that the ad hoc committee made it to you folks with their recommendation created a public document and we're currently being able to revise look at that come to present to you tomorrow ok thank you i want to tell you something i don't know who you are but dog i want to tank you how you handled the meeting in the previous weeks that we've met here for almost two months you truth my sister if there's two million at one time she goes to one and i go to one and we come together we talk about will we leave here we want our policy statement to be because i want to go in a wheelchair i walk on my walker but i made sure that i came to these meetings and when my daughter told me about this meeting and i said well want to go here i want to listen to it i did not know what it was real i need to share these and i want me to share these when i first came but i didn't care ghost nine o'clock ten o'clock be a year to be let you guys know that money no mean nothing if you ain't got the heart  policy statement maybe take front stage us opposed to the eastern policy statement take it out of order because we spent several meetings talking about the eastern policy statement and then statement and it was presented as i was heading off the island and got it to some of the board members but not all of the board members but because i was i was off island for ten days and didn't get back to fire and they took the assumption that we weren't interested in working with them from our community and their community to develop a comprehensive western policy and that's really not not the case i i we had a chance to review the policy as it was presented a week or so ago at the last meeting and there are several well we haven't had a chance to participate in this and we want to participate in development of this going forward there were several things i want to make sure that the model community knew that we were really supporting in in their in their broad statement which is developing of the  redevelopment of the existing infrastructure down in the kalua coit area developing a a combined public private solution  to redo the roads in the in for sure the right of way and the roads that are in such a good laugh at it is steak we have a common interest in the water quality issue that goes on on the west and drink the same water and then in come to a conclusion on this on what resources you put the and making sure that we have good water quality and then also one of the one of the big issues that we're there is to make sure that you end up with a sustainable subsistence program we have a we have an abundance of access to or how that is managed and how that is harvested along with the shoreline and the reach  important to not only the community of model lower not only to the island of molokai but to the q munity on the west end as well and solve we look forward to trying work with working with the monologue opposed to including the current draft clefts into the malta community plan as it is written now or to suggest that it keep put in right now as it is written and then you guys work together to update it throughout the remainder of the one year process as it is reviewed by the council i believe i believe that everyone would be better served if we work together to put a new policy in place so you wouldn't want it to be what i know there are there are some issues in there that i believe we would like to have input on there are some really good things but there are issues in there that we would like to that we would like to work with a monologue community and going forward we should put it in first and then we do have a year to work on it together while there are the issues that cannot be resolved like by having a discussion tonight these critical issues that cannot be resolved by general statements that cannot be addressed tonight i don't believe so i worry that once you get past this community process and this moves to mali and there's less time for people to support that effort that you have to wait another ten years before you can put in so that the western community feels like they need to be part of the community and to to participate in the community plan and we certainly don't want to wait another ten years to participate in  document is actually a dynamic one and we are actually leading with the different people that are actually mentioned in there and we met with a number of little  personnel and they were very receptive to what we shared and they are actually address saying the canal been aided water is chilling right now their idea is that they've shared with us is parallel to the community but it's really important that the community and the ranch actually listen to one another and stop throwing out accusations and it's we understand that there has to be some kind of working relationship and we want a win win relationship so that's where we are willing to share the dialogue and they have been willing to share the dialogue and they also want to meet with us further so that is still in the offing there's a lot of things that need to be discussed but the plan as a whole should i listen to this young lady plan of the community those voices were from the community it didn't come right out of our bringing and we wanted to present the it was because we felt the need to help protect the community there's a word just look i'm calling the people of the of the list here this aloha nancy mcpherson d h h o i'm not sure if this is the right time to do this or when you're going to come back to this but it has to do with the recommended community plan land use changes the ones were recommended at the last meeting fo f ok well i don't have the actual written comments but they're basically the same thing so hold on and site and so basically what we're asking is that based on the trying to be consistent with the land use the d h l and used as of nations which don't necessarily cleanly correspond one to one with the county community plan land used as of nations what we're asking is that something as comparable as possible be applied so in the case of the holy who are rural because there are in our land used as a nation is there all the same designation so they should be bifurcated into one part a single family and one part is rural which is what's being proposed in the other actually asking either that it be changed to public quasi public if that land used as a nation seems appropriate and consistent because i know i took a look at when they were trying to get  permits i did look at the existing community plan land use of park and there were some problems with that designation and the and if so ning had been applied basically to what they wanted to do there so i'm not sure public quasi public would give them a little more leeway again the caviar being that lands the county does not have jurisdiction to implement community plan land use anyway homes commission is the only body that has jurisdiction and the power to exercise land use on hawaiian homelands so just as long as everyone is clear on that what we do is in cases where we want to request that development be approved by the county for their subdivision or building permits at times especially particularly subdivision we declares zoning to the county we basically tell the county this is th some ways and eventually we'd like to have an m o you with the county that had to spell this out and gives everyone their sort of their marching orders and everyone's clear on how this is supposed to go but in order to join to be consistent with the counties  and try to be compatible with land use we're requesting i think we would like to go public quasi public or just keep it park so i would leave that up to the commission but the request is to public quasi public and you don't have to make that decision now but as commissioner due to us there may not be time to deal with this so  thank you is that any question  so nancy maybe we should talk a little bit it might be nice to get a i'm i'm sorry i'm just a little bit confused i don't know all of these maps are requesting these designation those are our d designation but for the purposes of accounting document it be nice if we had a map the way that you would like them and if they don't fit we should i actually have written testimony but i was i had a check nic problem and i was unable to print it out i'm hoping to get it tomorrow actually isn't the case isn't it because those were just the two areas that we discussed and we talked ok yes yes yes because this is rural and this should all be rural ok ok ok yeah i actually have it written down here i can give it to ok ok thanks ok that it sounds like you you've presented maps that have already helped clarify some things until fairly recently so it sounds like we're on the same page so thank you very much ken i understand something if parks this nation means open parks how would you  a corresponding community use nation in the county land use designation list so what we don't have is we don't have a category that actually really fits the  please limit it to three minutes thank you we're on it that would be item three yes just three be eastern policy statement i don't believe the chair and some of you were here when i testified before i was part of the ad hoc committee that did the update of the east end policy statement and at that time i wasn't really able to say much i had other commitments and the meeting ran late i was the pac meetings i was at the final c pac meeting when they said it was up to the east and to update the policy i didn't testify at that meeting but i was there so since october we had an opportunity to work on this we submitted the version the two twenty sixteen version and at that night prior to that the planning department e mailed me this copy that showed the tie ins to the community plan and the sections that were tied in where it was tied in and we e mailed that out to most of the people that we had i mean tall the people that we had their e mail address and we passed it out at the last meeting and then when i came to testify i received a copy with the planning department comment and counsel's comments i really didn't have time that night to read it over and at that point i said you know what i'm just going to go with what we submitted and say that's going to be what i go with but since then i did read it and the comments are fine i'm ok with the comment they made it's mostly housekeeping kind of things when we did the day we used whatever resources we had available it was really just an ad hoc group we didn't have of any assistance or legal these so that's why you see legal mistakes in there and what have you so i know tomorrow there's going to be a lot more discussion i work tomorrow there's no way i can take off from work to be there tomorrow so i wanted to testify tonight that i still think the work that we did on was done in the best of intentions the original plan from one hundred eighty one and what you pointed out in here where there are some big points and they were vague and that's why we just left them in there because  a removing something that we didn't know we felt somebody put it there for a reason and so we're not going to touch it and we've left it and it was vague to us at times too i also receive there's some there's some comments in there about subdivisions no no no new thought divisions or do we want subdivisions in one nine hundred eighty one when they made comments and it said it was vague about were we talking about hotel or and this is from me to my personal comment having been through this process before been on the planning commission been involved in the two thousand and one review then even this time i went to see pac meetings i've been to a lot of meetings and that's the whole problem there's a lot of meeting you can't go to all of them and to get all the information and all the input and all the changes and this and so much even tonight we're back there shuffling papers trying to keep up with everything so i can say that there are several of us that spend an enormous amount of time reading rereading trying to understand that the policy statement from one thousand nine hundred one did our best to clean it up format it i'm not going to go into all the other details that we you know had to deal with with it th thing like in history we forget and we we look back over like oh we don't want the fire station where well it's not a fire station it's a first responder  but of course we don't have the numbers and even if you look at the call numbers which we did we pulled off the call numbers are just the numbers just don't justify the kind of thing but that's a state building urban center is a state building under department of health and when the urban family gave that to the state stipulated it had to be used for health purposes and so how do you get a fire station in there where you don't you put a first responder unit so it's a two man substation under kind of a first responder unit truck and now a smaller chop a smaller vehicle to get on all the dirt roads and to get to her lava they're well trained for first responders communicate well this are in this system is just part of the real life style if you live in the rural area you just can't have that immediate response so basically i just wanted to reiterate that we did our best to clean up the policy to save the intent of the policy there's some wonderful statements in it the summary is really good the beginning and we just thought well that's really cool the way they wrote that is it just sounded really really good so i'm i'm happy with what we did we were under a real tight timeline as you're aware we had to get it back to i did not know these two meetings were going to happen we could have taken more time if we knew these two meetings are going to be scheduled but we just didn't have it we have sent it out i put one hundred copies of it in the gets in grind which is our little east and headquarters and they were available to the public there is again i apologize i won't be there tomorrow and for talking more than three minutes and i thank you thank you thank you statement people got really really upset and i think it's really important for the county guys to understand why people got really upset and i'm trying to figure out that myself saw or what i'm understanding right now is that this policy statement was done in one thousand nine hundred eighty one and the room was packed and it was like three nights of back room that state into eleven o'clock twelve o'clock at night to come up with this statement so for you guys to view the statement as an addendum of some sort or as planners it's a big mistake this is planned and this policy statement represents the voices of our condo in one thousand nine hundred eighty one they were under tremendous pressure they were digging up the fish ponds they were planning all kinds of development like any other place on maui or coa your wall so this community got together and they spent on real time together to come up with this statement so for us it's it's it's their voices so when you think their voices a lot we don't letting us know you need to understand that you're taking something that is very personal and deep to us so what you're going to find out tomorrow is that there is a commitment by the younger generation and by this generation t future so that's what you need to understand this policy statement is very very important so we're depending on to get this message to you guys that this it's a relationship community and to be honest i think that's what spurred on the website a moral code to do the same thing so it's it's something good and positive that is happening and you should be pushing it forward and helping this community to figure out how they're going to be part of the planning process by given them as much leeway and room as possible in your planning process thank you i just wanted to emphasize that after the c packard journ the essent policy statement was not included so there was an urgency as as debbie maybe deborah maples had acknowledged to organize the stand  go back and check the eighty one and then the two thousand and one and then come up with an update any i have to blame the ordinance that created the c pac that called that urgency and sort of pushed all of our backs against the wall and then we began to start doing a dividing line between them and asked and then when the hot topic came out as open ocean access as i  began to split the community a little bit more but what we've been able to determine is you need to be constantly giving information and education and this process no matter how hard the view or all three of you worked was not enough time so it's all best efforts to come forward to influence you in a decision making to include the e c m policy statement regardless of what the up was from the ad hoc committee or from the new group that formalizing or from other individuals and with more now on comments point i'm trying to make that it is critical that the eastern policy statement be part of your was on and you brought of water you know and that's a kind of sherry and i've learned so that's the good side and then at the older level with chassis and jessica you folks have relied on their their input they apologize that they didn't have time to make comments were the comments on the monologue and wes and policy statements but i'm just asking you for when you come out tomorrow try to wear all of  but understand that we were pleased with our backs behind our game so all was a nine one one urgency issue because the policy state eastern policy statement was not included with the path so we're hoping that we can come with a united front even if we may disagree with the ocean access maybe we need more deliberation that's all i would like to say but thank you for your patience you folks have been diligent to allow us to come and have the input a not going to apologize because you have two dogs for keeping up a good job while you were in repair because i know you had surgery but doug you did a good job and you my new it friend on the west  you so much and we look forward to