affairs committee will come to water i am the chair michael vick do you know i'd like to first ask everyone if they would make sure that their phones are turned off or put to sign and moles decorum will be followed in the and the birthday girl from yesterday and talk about age but the young lady from thank you that is shared with our district offices to make sure they have been connected let's start with our office in hama on lol are you there q so we have connections to all the islands so do you we have five items four of which are updates for monetary items to be referred to work for our examination from the budget in finance committee and updates on those subcounty cyber security so will at this time i would like to open the floor for public testimony public testimony will be limited to any of the five items that will be speaking off if you haven't signed up please sign up on the desk on the a floor lobby testimony will be limited to three minutes two and a half i mean is the yellow light will be will go on and had three minutes office thank you denise well look i mean is there anyone wishing to testify our first item is fire hazard removal revolving from p i eight thirty the committee is in receipt of miscellaneous communication dated may twenty eighth two thousand and fifteen from the county clerk reporting that on posed posted by a letter from the chief the question is were number one whether the department could use my we county correctional center work blind program to assist us additional funds could be made available for the fire has remove all fun and to how the department has utilized fire hazard removal for revolving fun over the past five years and how many times has  two thousand and fifteen and he's here today to explain his responses so chief murray and if captain hockey would like to come up please and kept i o p a lot of good morning thank you for having us yes we have a fifteen acre fire right now all in because you can only thank you and we wish everyone to stay safe and you're able to get that fire under control as soon as possible i will ask you chief if you want to make some comments on your response as well october fifth two thousand and fifteen and again in october sixteenth two thousand and fifteen the letters did fifth we had consulted with corporation called so on the feasibility of work going program in it was suggest did that it wouldn't be a good idea to move forward with that and then in regards to our hazard removal fund the way it's set up now it's not very useful for us it takes more time than it is useful and it doesn't have the amount of funds that we need within that revolving well i'm fund because i believe the cap is five thousand dollars so i'd be happy to entertain any questions ok thank chief if you don't mind i have a couple quick questions and i'll turn it over to my members first one is i understand corporation counsel is not recommending the usage of the work  and if corporation counsel would you address why you feel i can read here but why you don't believe it is a good idea it's not feasible to use that work line thank you chair at this time line grad is with the department of parks and recreation and it is a grant as opposed to a contract for services and that difference is a lot of times a work line they're working on county property you know all helping  make sure all the people works in order before you move forward with that concept then again the big difference is this is doing work on private property a court in accordance with its law that you know the chief has a right to go after these types of things thank you thank you for that there for cases so it's basically issue with a different grant or incorporating the grant we have and also liability issues as well as scheduling issues would become a part of the problem we still go yes adjusting that ground the language in the ground and taking into account scheduling would all be very important to do before committing to or requesting or committing to something like this they ok thank you mister shaw now turn it over and i'll start with you ms dot com and we'll just work our way down i'll let you lead off i know you've been very interested in this area chairman thing chairman thank you very much good morning chief good morning i read in your september thirtieth response chief some of your challenges one is did beat property owners properties that are in foreclosure or owners that cannot be located is some of the issues you deal with regarding asking is that something you your commission is considering at this time in how to assist syria department in dealing with this type of situations thank you for that question i will it captain all cancer  in the commission is supportive of either direction that we go us to recuperate funds their lives so saying what you just shared with the committee this morning there is no additional that no council action required to implement this policy is that our understanding yes so you can be done right i'm sorry the chair ah yes mr hall comma we believe we haven't tried it yet but it's our understanding right now is the language as written gives us the authority to basically go after these will probably recuperate the cost of the home clean up i believe there's a thousand dollar daily fine included in the civil not criminal side has it's essentially like you said mr  it's the chief's discretion which way they will thank you so again the committee's understanding of what we believe is in the code currently the fire department eight i think if it's morally bad the authority to do like nonmoving violation time if the chief said if they have something in their vehicle they're not supposed to have some sort of hazardous material or something like can he can do whatever he needs to respond to the crisis what i understand is authority we have given the department i'm not one hundred percent sure on that but i believe in practice fire works directly with m p t and together i and i believe it comes a lot to do with m p s familiarity with writing  them to be able to execute an exercise as part of a performance of duties regarding public safety and that's my point with the private property thing you're a corporation but it is for public safety purposes that we the co moving on to private property it's not for no reasons at all we want to respond to a situation that we partner in these tests which fires safety so they respond to a public safety issue we should we we stay in advance of what property owners are responsible for including easements and right of ways so you know i don't have a problem supporting the party i just want to make sure that people out there know that we give them some enforcement all they have to the option of our new fire code of king jim if we can get the accurate report of that because i would like to see how we can assure that you know we help the departments thank you chair thank you for being here department i just have a brief question when i think when you know that a property is in need of cleanup or what have you and it has the indications of hazard what is the how long is the process to notify the property owner and until you have a response from the property owner is it then that  about a concern then we do an inspection and if it is determined to be a hazard then we started a notification process that starts with a warning letter that has fifteen days to respond and if no response is done within that fifteen days then we issue a notice of violation and then that has thirty days to respond and then after that thirty days if nothing has been done then at that point the property is in violation and we can move forward with seeking remedy chair so after the violation notice is passed on to the property owner or whomever is it then that we go ahead and do it ever we have to do it and then bail the property owner i mean so that's and we have to wait for the dollars to come in softer right so after the notice of by a lesion is sent there's thirty days to respond to it if there's no response then the property is in violation and at that point i believe the fine start to our living then and what we'll do is we'll go all and seek three bits to clean the property and get it done and that people work gets submitted to for collection and we follow thank you chair and thank you fire department for being here and for all the work you do so thank you mr okama for bringing up the point i was the king at october fifth letter in regards to float  problematic properties or the foreclosures and owners that cannot be located but in regards to the notice of violations issue it looks like fifty per year  to you request for services and i guess at this point twenty percent have met i guess the deadline to thank you chair ms cochran we didn't have procedures in place but instead of going policies in our administrative rules and procedures it was just put into the fire code so it's in place now and so back to department then chair since they are in place we are following through with these six cases to recoup some fines and penalties and what have you from them in order to start had a comment i think each are probably shouldn't go under the same one probably do a reinvestigation on a reassurance and start just start the clock over again and hopefully they'll comply before it comes to any of this which is as captain r k mentioned is often the case thank you ok all right very good but that is but let me ask you this question the amounts that are still being placed right you just got a new time clock is that of the money that had needs to be reimbursed for the work that was done i should say excuse me i let me correct myself thank you chair currently there is no reimbursement necessary no work has been performed on the notices show if there's money to do the county i want to make sure we get it back and you know make sure that this fun at it could be adequately funded so that it can do the work that needs to be done with all the rains we've had i mean i can see property so our own properties our own roadways have become very treacherous with all the grass and weeds growing just odd a site you know you cannot see down the road sometimes so i can just see this becoming a problem for next year and then unbelievably out of sight it's been a problem i mean you know the water is a blessing although we are all but then there is a hazard that's grown on a daily basis throughout our whole colony i mean including our own personal yards you know if you don't get to it as they used to in two weeks now you do it every week so it becomes a meta it's an issue for all of us thanks thank you chief moose by sun thank you very much jared and thank you very much  captain and chief for being here this morning with us this isn't really appropriate issue for that we're talking about this now because as we drive around you can't help but notice hope overgrown all of the weeds and things on the side of the road and whatever it's kind of a mess a mixed blessing have very happy to have the rain but now we've got to deal with the rest of it and we don't have any more people say we can put out you know taking care of these things so this is a really important matter we're discussing today i know reading the letter something there's two or three things that really come out at me one is you mentioned how difficult it is to find a person to do with in getting this done and i'm wondering why that is such a problem doesn't isn't it dave we have to keep track of who owns these things because of taxes we don't careen records of who owns these things because of somebody again god i'm not familiar with all the cases but the typical scenario is and if it's a foreclosure type situation the bank will continue to play their real property taxes and we can't be in the property under our p t with these fire tape charges so the banks are making sure the real property taxes are paid so they won't be subject to the foreclosure without suit and we'll put it up at our real property tax auctions the owners are in foreclosure so typically they're not as responsive to these types of requests because they probably don't even live in the home the more so that's kind of a conundrum where in with these types of foreclosed suit comes from state law so if the law already changed allow us to treat these types of civil fines and penalties as a group are pretty taxes it would give us a lot more power  but that's not to say we don't still have the avenue of going through a regular type of lien judgment you know that type of guy who just takes a long time and i don't know but it seems to me that you know this is there's more to this than just fire has it this is so ugly you know your job did it it does ruins the whole neighborhood when you have one house gets closed up and overgrown and it just brings everybody's property making ugly ruins a neighborhood so this is a real problem with me you know we try so hard to keep our property neat and the property that i have that has nothing on it we have cattle in it to eat it so that it's nice and clean you know trying not to cause fire hazard but there's so many people that just don't seem to care and it degrades everything so this is a real pet peeve of mine and i don't like it the other question i had was what is the average cost of a cleanup what are we talking about or is there any average cost and they mentioned something about five thousand dollars and not being significant so what is significant thank you council member well we had we had one in two thousand and fifteen that was about thirty five hundred dollars to clear and it was on our property that the house look was located on so  and then we've had a couple more there was about five hundred dollars so now the one with the house the two a lot of the overgrown  plants were actually turned into trees and things like that so it was it was a it was a big job and the five hundred dollar costs were associated with clearing brush on vacant land so it wasn't as difficult as getting on to the property and clearing some trees you know we've been watching on t v lately the situation with the hornets and watching the clean ups and even they have been having a really hard time getting people to do this kind of work because apparently there's a lot i don't know a lot of people don't want to do it which brings me up tear gas question that i want to ask now and that is about the questions about the work li you know i'm a big fan of the work and i really believe that keeping the inmates busy is very good it helps their their own personal integrity their sense of force and being able to see projects finished is very good for them not only that it's very cost effective but however liability issues were mentioned and then somewhere in the later it ends up with well if we could resolve the liability issues this might be at work can we through is strictly for you know certain bar county property certain projects so you know the indemnification and i'm up state probably doesn't provide us with insurance but you know provisions wouldn't be political at that point also we need to work out just a general concept of if anything does happen on the property that we're cleaning because again it's private property  generally speaking when we hire a contractor to do it you know they'll be there quickly on out for anything goes wrong that's part of the contract you know it's included in the price so those are just the types of things we'd have to try and figure out if we were to look again and again i believe the bigger concern is i think their schedules pretty for a deal with the parks department who operates the ground so that would just be logistical for captain hockey to work with the parks department but it could be a significant issue also thank you thank you it seems to me that we as a state really need to look at how we utilize inmate labor you know it's a huge source  of employment free of creativity and i believe that it is really important to me and you know a feeling of self worth keeping people busy being able to see a project finish learning work skills really really important rather than having people just sit and figure out what kind of going to get into this is not a good thing and i really think we have a lot to do to work at the state level and we have a new reentry commission that i understand is not even meeting and in my visits to legislature this year i will try to talk to the folks that are doing this because i think it's really unconscionable not to be doing more with getting our people back into the workforce to become productive citizens in our community so i understand limit that you're dealing with but we've got to try to work with them thank you thank you chair thank you and i believe from my experience  done with the work lying in what other legislation if possible can be proposed of our legislature for expanding the work lane and what other contractual agreements we could work out w that i'm sorry if this was answered already but how much is in the fine as it is currently and it was nothing i believe in the fund is about three thousand nine hundred miscellaneous correspondence dated may twenty eighth two thousand and fifteen county clerks reporting that on may twenty sixth two thousand and fifteen the calls that we further this matter relating to an audit to the department of fire and public safety correspondence dated october sixteenth two thousand and fifteen from the fight relating to information on overtime compensation for the department's employees for the fiscal years two thousand and twelve incurred on we met on september twenty ninth two thousand and fifteen and discussed this matter a letter dated october sixth two thousand and fifteen which you'll find in your binder i requested a breakdown of why the overtime was necessary it's not a matter of my mine how they're using it but why this amount of know what time is being asked for and understanding that fires like would we have going on right now the brush fire and the brush fire this past weekend in which smiley doesn't occur between eight and four nine to five so we understand that is part of the aspect yeah but there's other issues that we wanted to resolve or at least made aware of a letter d sixteenth two thousand and fifteen the chief responded including an extensive breakdown of premium be based on finance reports for the fiscal years again two thousand and twelve thirteen and fourteen the chiefs would now like to chief would you like now to summarize and highlight the reasons why overtime is needed and again we would like to know really the reasons and i know there's many legitimate reasons so this is your opportunity chief please go ahead all right thank you chair for the opportunity as you see there is a list of reasons for manpower shortage we also have to take in a call day we have three islands and almost being an island it by itself moving manpower around is not as easy as it may seem you know on a daily basis we are challenge with this every single day and for instance late this morning the fire started about zero five twenty this morning so now we had five units monks tankers going out there exchanges that zero seven thirty we had the guys coming on at zero seven thirty we had guys going off so now we got two sets of people and most of them already on scene and we spend time trying to  recycle those people back out so they can get off and then we also in the process of getting all wild and team together so they can go back out there and assist with the hand tools and work that whole area because it's a high wind area so we need to make sure that we kill every part of that fire because that any point it can rekindle because of the wind sole we have people on overtime going out there to do the hand work on the ground and we also have coverage of the two companies from the same station but one needs to be off and one is on so we're trying to do that changeover so those instances which we have almost every day one crew or another will be doing that we incur overtime during those items as well and of course trainee we have to cover training based on the bargaining unit if they come to training we need to pay them and we do have a lot of training that we need to do to stay up on a certification on an annual basis and we've got over three hundred uniformed personnel that need to attend so those times we need to cover over and all types of leave soul and as you know our employees are entitled to their leave and we do our best to encourage them not to call in sick when they're not sick you know try to do better scheduling on their part so it's not so much of an emergency on hours in and also in there you'll see that we have that rank for any program  and you know that that covers the shortages on a scheduled basis so it actually help helps us all when we know we're short ahead of time in most cases so i hope that you very much i really don't have any questions i understand the upgrade the fire department from the person who's not involved from afar and i can see the scope of what they have to do when they have to do it and it's almost impossible to plan how much of it you're going to need because you don't know when when it's going to happen and sometimes you have a rash of fires and sometimes you don't so really i think that the secret here is that we've got to have an administration that manages the schedule to do the best they can and does whatever they have to do because we cannot say no when they have to go they have to go thank you but you discovered thank you chair and thank you chief for explaining and i to understand that you know things that happen will incur that over time i just can you just kind of help me understand their rank for rank pages here i don't quite understand  dollars rank recall so basically it's a recall system for a person for instance a captain in why you who is off due to either training seek leave  and what have you then another rank captain from that station is allowed to go and work his shift or her schiff so that that allows the experience level to be covered during that time and they're only allowed at two hundred eighty eight the only other times we'll call those people back because if we don't have a rank personnel either a firefighter three which on other occasions will tee up to captain or a firefighter three and the captain is gone so will either relocate somebody if there is no right person that's coming in because we need to have a person in command ok and you're seeing that allows that person filling in i guess so to speak to incur over time yes those certain situations where they have to take the place of a person  that opening is made the individuals can put in to work on that and it's covered by that experience personal ok and so i guess the whole thing cross training was going through my mind but i think in your line of work can't really in a sense do that we do a captain needs to fill in a captain i mean i guess they can work they know all the duties of people below that rank but to go above that rank you know i mean it's a question because there's only a few people that can go to that drink and the firefighter three is that person soul in the past we used to do that we feel that direction first before we feel any shortage we over time but this is a contractual thing that was worked on through arbitrated negotiation actually in arbitration after the negotiation and this is basically the parameters that we have to work with the in there to not violate that collective bargaining agreement thank you i know we had big discussion during budget time of it but you know kate will thank you very much she finegan i do understand you and your juggling people around to get the work done and you know thank you for what you do thank you basically need to pay thank you thank you chair and again best for the primary reason for today is to really give the public and the council members an opportunity to better understand these terms and when they brought up doing but this session we don't spend a lot of time trying to figure it out this is what my goal has been is to make sure that the budget process should be budgetary and not discussing what the departments and need to do or are doing we should not have that already put the time we walk in and that's my hope that this will help you all to become a little bit more acquainted with all the departments around what inspired it doesn't make a difference and i think you've done that with your with public public works etc so you know i think this is important you know i think it's very important thank you and thank you chair for bringing this to our attention  yes we do if the timing allows us we'll have it we have it scheduled ahead of the shift and that's our most opportune time that we can move people from island to island or if we can get you know before noon hour because it also costs us to fly the individuals there and not we're paying for their equipment to go along with them because it's their personal personal protective gear so it's quite a costly matter to move personnel from island island as are most challenging were able to pull off a little bit better because of the accessibility of travel so with the ferry not running at the right time that it used to be for in the past we have a hard time to i think the chief was very accurate when he mentioned she's challenge of basically three departments and three have and it is something i believe justice chief chairman i understand the chief in their departments need for overtime i think what we need to be questioning is is this currently the best practice is  and audit would assist in for any know what they're doing well and where we need to make some improvements because the chief does have one challenge three islands all four i mean if something on a performance with a component for a natural chairman is because the other counties don't deal with bobby arrange for that we have to you for some of the unique challenges transportation of firefighters to a station that unique situations and i think we need to do our part to ensure one confidence in that department maintains to what we are currently spending gets the job or the audit will see you need to put more resources if you want your department to respond to this level of service and that is something we would take to the taxpayer is what are you willing to pay for regarding public and fight a safety because it depends so my thing chairman is i hope we look at this as something that is going to assist them because i think they do have some things from very very well and he should be commended for that those efforts but every department departments that we should eventually get to regarding this type of audit is part of our responsibility to perform on the people's behalf and so i see this is something good i think the chief has been very upfront in sharing  he has presented to this committee and again i want to commend them for outstanding work because their responses come when we don't expect them to come when they want to be sleeping the hour up to fighting issues when  holidays fighting issues so they respond when nobody else wants to respond because it's usually when everybody else is doing sleep being fun things family things are people have to and i don't have a problem finding a way to assess their financial penalties for going against the advice meant uppal fishel personal policy during dangerous times because it's not fair to put our people's lives recognition often but they deserve it thank you thank you thank you for pontificating all we all think thank you i do appreciate it and i think we do appreciate our fire department and the different looking for what is wrong but what they've done right and then if there's something they can improve on and that's most of all the problem what is flawed or whether it's environmental management and whether it's partially recreation or housing it doesn't make a difference everyone should have that opportunity to show what they've done and while they're getting the job done and we can help them improve with more resources let's do it and if not let's see what we can do to make sure their dollar we get the band best bang for the buck is that what you want to and i greet you there's a lot of us but they're not only visitors there's a lot of locals who don't think before they do i didn't discriminate yeah you know to be alive as well but is want to make sure that is clearly  anyways yeah it's good that people to discriminate we don't have any ways i'd like to also ask of my colleagues and commend the department as well as the chief for all the hard work and i do understand the the for overtime but can you explain to me the rank for rank categories here where it says overtime hours and then it's got all four pages for each of the y joint twelve and if you go through her opposition and the dates it basically has overtime hours and then twenty four twenty four all the way down to rates and that's already been offered and is expected or well basically what this shows is the exact dates and times when the individuals worked and what their position is and like i said earlier that normally we try to cover the whole you have a captain replacing a captain great they're going in for twenty four hours it's not like most cases yes because if the captain is off a twenty four so this is just the spread sheet that shows you what he was covering for but we also have times where they cover fourteen or ten or eight times oh if that's the case is that an is that on a different she because they're all twenty four twenty four all the way like four pages worth and there's no will be different because these different circumstances on why that individual was not allowed to leave or property received is is there a system to specifically i guess monitor or a reporter track the hours yes what's in place already yes and then that's enough like a database or something that it's on a it's on our personal office and they keep track of every two weeks on who's getting what so that they can figure out their accumulation calculated based off of those historical data historical data and then we call the maximum usage of the hours for their specific position and what that  done with a performance oh absolutely i mean that's one of the reasons why we're so adamant about the kurdish in process and all right so that process is all about that you know how how are you effectively and efficiently moving your department and you know and we've done that internally and i'm we're totally open to learning more i mean we've been around for a little while but we're always open to learn and do things better so we're definitely looking ahead and we don't mean arms  audit actually i would assume that would it would help you in terms of future negotiations with the unions just to have that type of background or i have been in certain parts that show oh maybe a certain we have to slow down on some of the areas of of need because we don't have the money so you know we try to do our part even though we have goals that are set so we have to cut back on some of those items so i think they we really need to take a look at it through the audit and see what we're missing because i think the product that you have today as opposed to seven and a half years ago is completely different and you can ask anybody in the department and through our response and our activity and our confidence level that it is a difference and that's the direction they were moving so we want to solidify that through audits and accreditation that will only help us to stay on point so we appreciate the opportunity thank you one last question chair promised the ocean safety division but the actually calming it have you seen their numbers in terms of over time yes we have ok and we're ready to move but we just need the support because they've been working so hard to to do what they do with what they have so they basically making do it what they have and what we're trying to do is up to that level to provide the response and the coverage in a safety for our employees number one and in turn that this takes care of everything for the community soul when our presentations of the budgets that are upcoming for equipment and personnel that is to cover that so right now i mean they get it done but is it as safe as possible or is it safe as it should be that's questionable so we see it a little bit different so i assume that they will come under the same scrutiny for over time once they become absolutely hated into the department absolutely they're going to have to work through that   there is positions that have to be filled by per person that are certified for instance the jet ski operator and they're in the right now so hopefully soon they'll be able to present to you folks it what has been done through unit fourteen we were just there at arbitration so hopefully something will come up so that they can give you some solid information on what the changes are for that division chair can i recommend that if to go forward with an audit the ocean safety portion although if they haven't been incorporated it but at least that side of the of the parks department be audited as well as  terms of past performance or the money the budget but uteri efficiency of that specific component i would have to check with corporation council because that's two different departments at this time and s let me ask and i will send a letter and get back to all of you on that aspect chief if i may what we will do though once thought it begins whatever information that we have moving forward we can do that all of that all through that process because that's what we were doing on our only anyway so that we could have a clear understanding of what we're up against now it was only thinking that you would need to historical performance or the why do have most of it already and alice all part of our  separately for the purpose of fire makes it i think logistically i will challenge so i would like to leave that to the chief and the department and hopefully chief do you have any more question i have for you is do you have any idea it with the budget that was needed for july first of two thousand and sixteen so you know one of the things that we really need to take a look at is what portion of that budget that we submitted to get filled because there's other issues that will be a compounding factor in a negative aspect to our department if we do not have those positions and you know so for example the equipment we're putting it on a replacement program very similar to what we have in our department and we want to stay on track with that so it's not you know overwhelming for people when they need to replace all at once because you don't want things to break down all at once he want d to break down along once in a while so we want to stay ahead of that so that's one of the examples that we could utilize in doubt but right now as it stands hala we have submitted it it would be for july first of two thousand and three and i believe that the consul had a question on the bargaining unit so hopefully that will be cleared up before our budget session and we'll be able to answer the questions and you'll be able to have the schedules for rates and all of those things in front of you so you can make a good decision moving forward thank you thank you and again members i don't want to stray too far off again this is an audit that's what we're looking at all these other matters kind of stream away from the audit itself although it would be important once you start and at the start and financial history from the ocean to see if he comes along with everything that you're trying to accomplish but i'm recreation so i kind of glad to hear that salt with no further discussion i would like to defer this matter with no objections thank you and thank you chief being here we really do appreciate a great job each and every day and hopefully this audit will help you do even a more efficient and more prosperous job thank you chief thank you chair and thank you members so can i just ask a quick question on the calendar because we have achieved on any given day i mean in your i'm looking at some of these dates and there's just like back to back meetings is this for one firefighter to training is that typical training day for when a firefighter get a tan and learn all these different things these are usually done by companies so this could  be our quarterly drill schedule so it looks like to me and then you'll see other areas where they have to come into actual class so most of these items they have already been trained on and certified on and we we try to to the public what company means i know what it means but would you explain how when you see it by training by company what does that mean thank you chair company is basically the engine r mad ladder the are assigned to a company out of the station so they work as a crew so the training is done as a crew so that's what a company means so they're assigned to that specific company for that day and usually that's their normal assignment and they will train appropriately to make sure they have all what's necessary throughout the year so chief can you give me an idea or the public also that's what you're trying to get clear on is what shall be within the parameters of your audit so i appreciate your writing with the chief on the rule the sooner we can get it done i think it's better for us all in budget review upc yes so i guess you're standing in for him and if you two days would introduce yourself after i would let me get started and then we can have you introduce yourselves and we can get started with the thirty one committees and we have the following mitchell in his communication twenty sixth two thousand and fifteen funded the record of liquor control relating to public educational programs and fines for the fiscal year two thousand and fifteen members this item was referred to us by the budget  finance committee to you to evaluate strategic strategies to improve the fish and she of these funds we met on this on august seventeenth two thousand and fifteen and discussed this matter a letter dated october sixth two thousand and fifteen again all of you should have that copy and by me i requested the information of the use of the education fund for public liquor related educational have a copy of a memo that was signed by director frank silva on october twenty sixth and in the memo it responds to the questions that were asked  the first question is requesting information on what public liquor educational programs the department has established using liquor license be used the memo clarified that the liquor education fine is not comprised of liquor license fees instead it is comprised of money collected from the assessment of fines against licensees so it is a different source of revenue for that fines the second question the second request was to provide the committee with summary and a great down of the information that was requested and i'm available for any other questions that the committee might have thank you very very much members this fund not strictly public not talking about training your operators or their employees is there any specific reason why that has not been done to my knowledge on th department has never established those programs we don't have really any program in place nor do we have the staff to implement that type of program at this point but that's that's the only but the total ghost liquor sales for twenty fifteen was three hundred forty one million two hundred forty seven five hundred twenty two dollars which is our try to think what percentage you're talking about the actual amount that's budgeted for the department educational or enforcement programs ok so the the the total fines collected is i guess my calculation is that forty five thousand seven hundred b s t meant for this year yes the estimate for this year would be twenty eight thousand two hundred twenty two dollars and that's also in the budget ordinance in appendix i guess my question would be if if you haven't been utilizing the authorized to use those for well so that section talks about the so it says to control supervise and regulate this is the this is actually the whole subsection thirty two eighty one seventeen to control supervise and regulate the manufacture importation and sale of liquors by investigation and force in education provided that any educational program shall be limited to the commission staff commissioners liquor control education board members licensees and their employees and shall be financed through the money collected from the assessment of fines against licensees so we use the money for education of the liquor license ease education of staff that sort of thing it sounds as though it's narrow narrowly written that you can only use that ten the ten percent that was actually i guess set aside for the public you've been using that for the training and no commission is still there as well it's oh it's a revolving fine so this language authorizes the department to use up to ten percent for the public education portion ok so i'm going to go back to my initial question is that since you haven't been utilizing the past year simply for the ten percent can we now use those past died have to look into that i'm not sure if you have plans to maybe implement a public portion of that component of it as you cation it well we're kind of profit or something some type of agency that does public education especially those in high school levels i know we have a live that are going on in the elementary schools  and it would be great to have it more directed towards the high school level dare has had a it wasn't stopped no longer being federally funded but we were funding it through the county but it would you know it would help a lot if we implement it into the high school levels which would be great so those are really good those are really great programs i think that that eat when it when they referred to not having the staff i also was referring to not having ground management staff because that's what it would take you know we would have to have a sort of a grants program in the department of the control which we just don't have right now we know we've never done it fee yeah which is different from the fine ok ok so it is true for fees if there is an excess balance it does get credited back to the licensees but that's not the case with the fines the fines are in a revolving fund or when you see a revolving fun you know you said ten percent but yet we don't have ten percent what does this revolving fund work damn well the revolving fund there's you know it works like any other revolving fund that's in appendix a i mean it's just a sum of money in there and what the statute authorizes that ten percent is an authorization to use up to ten percent for a certain type of program but that's not the only type of program that can that that that can be used with that money know of is that we just don't have anybody to administer our grants program right now we would have to do that would be something that the department would have to develop we'd have to develop a grant program we just don't have anything went into the general fund so we were really limited on what we could use the liquor education fund for so like i said back in twenty two thousand nine senate bill for seventy allowed for ten percent of you for other services such as if you wanted to join up with or any kind of program that might be able to help the only thing i believe we would have to do is be able to allocate if we do a program like that we're probably going to have and the reason for the clarification i made in mind is not comprised of liquor license fees because i do know there was kind of a confusion of using the money that is being return that the revolving fund is just the mechanism by which we comply with the state law because the stay specifies you know that this money can only be used for a certain purpose and it's fine money that accumulates so it's said that's how the county is stabbed that's how the county set aside this money in a revolving funny think that's how a lot of the revolving funds have come around where they it's just sort of the mechanism that's used to preserve that money for this particular  the state's business i mean it doesn't specifically doesn't specifically say that you have to do it it doesn't have this language it must be set up through a revolving fund in doesn't have that type of language i think the county decided i ninety's or eighty's late eighty's because there was a lawsuit because money was proposed to be used for other than the purposes so there was a lawsuit and part of the settlement was to come up with a purse some kind of separate it doesn't run through the budget process it's not fees that we allocate to licensees to run our department it's just the fines collect two different two different fin like i think we understand the clarification about fines for public education this wellness you know assessment of fees for the crew licenses so i just want to talk about the  does the department have any kind of plans or anything strategically set out to provide some sort of program for public education not at this time  ok then that being said i think i heard you mention that it would probably be a process for grant application and you don't have the manpower or the capacity to manage  to look into to see you know if we could absorb that additional responsibility and duties you know with our existing staff whether we could have training of our existing staff and it's just something that i don't believe to my knowledge that we've really ever looked into so it would have to be looked into ok so that means that i'm i do understand there's really never been any allocation of ten percent of the funds for any kind of public education that you may be aware of that's that's to my knowledge ok as you're looking into consider would you consider using ten percent to allocate  provide the education for a nonprofit too so that it doesn't absorb your limited capacity and then maybe the department would just be a co sponsor i would like to ask i'm not sure because it's something that this is never never been implemented as far as i understand they utilize a ship of these ten percent funding for public education  i think that's where mr guzman was trying to ask is if we've never implemented it those fund never did have a any kind of program for public and thank you chair and yeah i hear the frustration and sort of the ha ha there has never been anything established for public education and and you folks are still sitting there saying not at this time but are you the anonymous programs i mean the list probably goes on and on so just to you folks and i know you said you're in limbo you're looking for a director but i mean you ladies have been there for many years and never seen people come and go and  just hope there's some kind of spark here department that thinks and wants to move forward and what we're all trying to strive for and especially ms bice here i know she's going to have a lot to say after me just  cheer department you know would you be open and interested to going down that road sometime soon i can speak personally because like i said i'm you know i'm the deputy director right now we don't have a direct us so i'm not sure what the direction of the department would be personally i would i would be interested in looking into it i've been involved personally in the program my daughter went through the dare program with m p t so i know how valuable those those programs are those community programs are and it's something that you know i had the opportunity i would i would look into it it was very good and then looking up the letter dated october twenty sixth at the bottom total gross liquor sales up every year it's continuously going to increase every year a little bit of money and i didn't quite catch in your opening comments you mention a three million dollars figure three million was is that in this revolving fund no that's in the budget for the liquor fund for the department so if you look in the in the budget you know for the revenues for the department so basically the liquor fin every year we get a carry over savings from the department of finance and less the twenty percent of our current year's fees gets a refund it and not refund the money it's credited  back as far as it reduces the percentage fee that they pay for the next fiscal year because we only collect exactly to our budget that is approved by congress so that is the monies we collect ok so they don't get cash back per se know the percentage fee that's one that's the one item that would reduce the percentage ok so that's that's why one of the reasons why i've always been a proponent of giving them more positions is having the people out there to do this and yet we constantly call back we don't go into vehicles all of that comes out of that fund it does not come out of the colony fund it is so self sufficient just like water the different fund that's runs separate from the colony itself and we do not get the money if there's left over we don't get it it really goes back to the licensees so that's one of the issues i've had with all these years so i'm glad that's what the discussion is moving towards is not only education but some of the things that they request if it's being paid by the licensee and not given to them then it goes right the money goes right back to the licensees right why not use it as you did of yours in stating that then you mentioned lack of grants manager not knowing how to do that type or for this this funds perhaps you could go towards such a body to thank you very much i really don't have a whole lot to say because my colleagues have been eloquent everybody has what i would have said but i do want to say that it is very good to be sitting here today i've been after this money for a long time and have tried to make inroads at the legislature with very little success and part of it is my fault i really didn't understand how the intimacies of this i know there's an awful lot of money in liquor in this state when i look at three hundred forty one million dollars in we're not talking small change here we're talking a lot of money and for me i'd like to see that money not only take care of the enforcement in education that is your department of responsibility but i'd like to see some of that go to mitigate the impacts of alcohol and i don't think that there's any discussion about what those are you know we have enough evidence about the shoulders above everybody else in terms of what our commitment is to our social services but federal money dried up the state doesn't give very much foundation to just people needing money and so if we have a source of funding here i think there's a direct relationship and i don't think there's anything wrong in trying to get some of that you know just helping with a program like deer helps a lot because if we can catch these kids before they get into trouble when not  then we've got all of these programs of treatment where we have to put people up places like a little house they're very expensive to run because they're twenty four three hundred sixty five b n a year operations and we need to use some of this money there  really inspired and really excited about what mr will come out had to say and mr come i'm learning willing to get a p f in there to get some legislation i think we should you know let's be innovative you know one of the things that people look at most about indie envy is our ability to be leaders and to try and be innovative and get programs going and i know mystically she's probably going to have a heart attack because of the legal complications but what you know let's if we don't try we'll never know i have more than willing to be the person to you know work with the council staff to get something drafted in with the legal i think we've got to try to do something we've said here for too long think cannot cannot cannot time to see can let's figure out how to make this happen and you know to me we are argument for that so we want to be because the turks cause all these problems and they make us do this and make us do it well what's the difference you know it's a problem it makes us do this and that we deal with the grief we talk about like this morning when we're talking with the fire department about all the humbug in the o t that day goes through coming out in the middle of the night to stating this public funds to be used for education for the public itself i have no problem with that in fact that's one of the reasons why this was brought forward because we've been stuck in the mud and i wanted to see how we could get out you know just looking at the short term goals of it if we could stay within the parameters of h r s two eighty wide and basically look at its co sponsorship name alone and looking at think the heavy lifting is going to be on the dare program or whatever nonprofit is it is and all you're doing is it's a pot supplying the my niece and basically the name by co sponsoring it will allow you to ok and i think that's clear enough to me is that a corporation council seeing none with no objections i would like to defer this matter because i think there's some more that needs to be worked on and i would like to like everybody back at eleven o five because we have to move on to matters to discuss the alarm system fun and second and more importantly the cyber security issue so i would like to get everybody back the meeting of the policy intergovernmental affairs committee will reconvene we're supposed to think of number four alarm system fun thirty six unfortunately the police department  unavailable to be here right now and so with no objection i'm going to defer this matter to our next meeting and that way we can have a good discussion with the police as well as finance so with no objection i will defer p i eight thirty six  thank you very much thank you mark for being here at this time i'd like to call up mr jacob for kirky and go on to our last and final item today which is p i a forty two page cybersecurity kirky would you like to i think you have a presentation for us so first of all out as you say thank you for being here and second may with you introduce the young young maybe we can get started with your presentation a presentation for you to give you an update on our activities since we were before disk committee was the let me ask you one quick question is any of these items that we're going to be for allowing us to appear again before you and i want to thank you for allowing us to update you on the current status of where we are with our cyber security posture at the county we've been working on things diligently for the last  little over a year and now we've made a lot of progress and we appreciate all the support you've been providing us so with that i'm going to just jump into our agenda i'm going to talk a little bit about the current cybersecurity threat landscape just out there  across the globe basically just a quick little update on that and then we're going to talk a little bit about the current posture at the county future initiatives in that any questions you might have the first thing i just want to bring attention is you know in one thousand nine hundred five there was only three hundred dollars and devices connected to the internet on now there's about three billion and that just kind of tells you in a twenty year period how many things are connected to the internet and when you hear about the internet of things it's not just your cell phone it's not just your laptop it's also you know some people have their homes you now connected to the internet your television or garage door opener whatever that may be there are many things now connected to the internet and each one of those items that are connected cause a potential risk in an environment  and when you really start thinking about what we're doing nowadays and what we're doing in the public sector there's nothing that we do that provides value that's not technology or internet connected related and that's pretty profound when you really think about that because it's hard to imagine you know where we would be today without the internet and then the other thing i want to mention is that with everything being so interconnected we all have a  as council members jacob and i as technology representatives we all our part of what we are going to leave here at the at the county all the constituents all the residents everybody we all have a cyber legacy and i really wanted to express our appreciation for the support you have provided us with budgeting and with everything and what we are trying to do to secure the the infrastructure here  a little bit about the landscape itself right now in the last five month period there's been a huge amount of breaches that everybody hears about in the news but there's a couple that i just want to really capture one being the huge breach with the federal government the office of personnel management that breach was just massive twenty one point five million social security numbers five point six million fingerprints security clearance information dating back three decades that alone is just huge because when you get that type of personal information on individuals it allows you to basically hack their accounts now there hasn't been you know direct statements and nobody will make direct statements this is how but after that breach cia director john brennan's personal account was hacked and data was breached leaked the f b i just in october there shared coral that they use for individuals that have been arrested by the federal government and this is not just within the u s this is also across the globe they were able to breach that account and then from there access other systems so when we talk about trying to secure our environment you know this is kind of an extreme level and but you have to think in those terms you know it's really my job to think in those terms of how we can protect our environment and again that was just a five month period and is then i also want to bring to your attention is every month we receive a large amount of information that we ingest about potential threats in our environment and a lot of that comes from the multi state isaac that we're members of and their information comes from the term homeland security f b i cia so forth and those threat reports that we were see we you know sift through the mall determine what impact that's going to have to us and then again we used our security posture and the systems that we put in place to protect our environment and just began to give you some random numbers albert which thank you for we used to grant i think we used to grant on that and we didn't get to put that in place that's been in place since about august but on just one month the center for internet security which is the multi state isaak process is three thirty three hundred fifteen billion log steps in october alone of those they issued three thousand one hundred fifty seven actionable notifications and the county did receive five during that period they also issued one thousand two hundred twenty notifications to affected entities regarding compromised credentials infected hosts web sites and so forth so with them they're monitoring actively other government agencies and this is state and local territories and they're issuing it out so that we know when there's something this potentially at risk the aiding as in that research so that we can determine what threats we may have been exposed to and then also we receive you know numerous incident reports not just for us but just again potential reports of incidents out in the country and we receive situational awareness reports this each one is you know thirty to forty pages on top of our weekly wasp reports and each of those reports again a numerous amount of information on what's happening out there in the country and what threats we may be exposed to now a little bit about what we've been doing and again i want to thank you for all your support because it's been huge for us in october i don't know if you are aware but we did have secretary awareness month here and county which is wonderful and you can see jacob standing there very excited next to all of the drives that we were able to crash that day  actually crashed about one hundred fifty drives we were we were very excited with that anyway it was a fun day we had a lot of people from the community come in and one of the exciting thing was so many people that showed up said you know thank you so much for doing this we didn't know what to do with all these drives they had boxes of old hard drive say had been storing in a closet or in their garage but they didn't know how to destroy them they knew they shouldn't throw them out but they didn't know what to do with them and so we were very excited to  do that we're going to do it again every year anyway so with that was that was a pretty thrilling experience for us also we have i'm sure you've noticed in the elevators we have our cyber security team posters in the elevators again helping to educate the community about keeping their family safe we have the table in the lobby that again has more information about keeping your family safe and staying cyber aware we now have a cyber security website at the county  we originally opened it up during surgery awareness month then we'll be updating that on a regular basis with activities going on and then we're also going to start doing a training program here at the county which is basically they call it securing the human but what that allows you to do is that it's going to put employees through a series of you know small little computer modules or computer programs that allows them to do this full training on the computer there may be five minutes max and y and there's a handful of again it just seems to help keep you aware of keeping your family in the environment where the main thing is people get e mails and they don't know what to do with and we're going to go into that in a little bit in this kind of helps you be smart about fishing be smart about securing your network at home securing your family a lot of the themes that we have down at the table  then a little bit about what we've been doing with you know since their fiscal year began july first we were able to acquire some pretty impressive and systems day threat to tech show allowing us to in real time scan on where when links are being pressed and when things are going on on the network and that again runs it through an engine environment and in this you know it probably doesn't mean a lot but those are various malware that have come through the environment and if you look at the one that i have circled there that malware is crypto wall i don't know if you're wall but it's basically the malware that encrypt your hard drive and hold everything for ransom and you can see there was a total of fifty six events on that that's actually just two events but fifty six hits and then  dive into that so if you look here and i know this is probably hard to read but all that that you see on the screen happened in twenty four seconds that was one crypto infection and if  you can imagine what would have transpired in our environment had we not had this appliance in place protecting us and again that whole fifty six events those were just two incidents of crypto i'm just showing you one here but in twenty four seconds that's what happens if there's not time to implode here now there's not time to do anything it would have been encrypted but you can see fortunately they were all blocked in again and this  was one of the appliances that we put in place and just where we've got you know defense and depth so you know we've got fire walls in place that do a certain level of blocking we've got other tools in place that to a certain level of blocking the fire i appliances of allowed us to do is get that zero day threat in other words things you know you have your layers of defense you know things that slip through all those other layers because the bad guys are getting smarter and the bad guys are doing these things you know all they do all day long apparently is figure out know penetrate environments and do malicious activity so you have to have other tools in place and fortunately we were able to get the x in place and we were able to prevent something that could have been you know pretty horrific in our environment  the other thing that we put in place is we also got what they call the e x which is similar to the network but only on email and this was something that we wanted but we you know didn't have them we didn't think we had the money in the budget but we were able to get a really good deal on this and again i appreciate what you guys have done for us as far as funding goes we were able to get a good deal we got both the suppliants and so this one does this same thing only an email and i'll walk you through a little of that this has been in place just since october first and we've already had sixty e mail based weapon factions that have been blocked i know this is hard to see but i just wanted to kind of show you you know what it's doing is it's going through and it's scanning so if there's an attachment it comes in  e mail it actually runs that that attachment through a series of tests to see whether it's malicious so a lot of times you know these bad guys don't put stuff in it where you'll think it's a excel spreadsheet and it's coming from somebody you if you look here these ones right here and i put this on specifically to show you this actually is what would have been a legitimate e mail that somebody here at the county was expecting coming from a nother government agency and it turns out this particular individual's and point guard laptop computer was infected so while he was trying to send something to us that attachment was actually in fact it so this system prevented us from receiving that malicious of her infected attachment and potentially infecting a computer in our environment and again this is this type of advanced threat detection is just it's incredibly important to us and it's just huge for  protecting our environment and our cyber strip posture i want to point out here is if you look at some of the some of these came from a t p so it's you know you get an e mail and it's from a d p or you get an e mail that says you know you might get home especially right now with the holidays you might get an e mail saying oh you know we missed you this is you p s these ones here supposedly were missed shipping packages that was u p s doc war so it's not u p s dot com it's not really something that you will seeding at home it's a fake you know it's a fishing thing they want you to click on the attachment or the link and get infected so anyway that's why i wanted to show you these and again all of this is really helping the defense in depth and the layers of protection that we have in our environment the other thing i wanted to mention is touched on it earlier about the center for internet security and alpert and getting that in place that's been in place since the beginning of august and again that's giving us you know twenty four seven three sixty five monitoring of our network which is you know we're not you know we're not you know twenty four seven shop but we have the center for it security monitoring that for us so if something malicious happens we're getting notified so just during that time that they've been doing this and we've had twenty six alerts and that was across four different hosts for security helped us resolve those issues in the term and what was going on if it was something that really needed to be actionable or wasn't and again that's invaluable we're using you know thinking out of the box in order to add depth to our layers of protection rather it's adding other individuals and other organizations to help broaden our resources that we have here  we also acquired our security intelligence event management system and we're still working to get that in place that's a more complex project but we're working on that and i'm hoping to have that completely configured and one hundred percent running in the next several months it's up and running now but takes a while to get everything in there and get it configured but but that's also been invaluable for us to be able to charm and different threats in our environment and then the other point i wanted to touch on was you know when you think about cyber security you're not always thinking about critical infrastructure and critical infrastructure here in our county courses our water and wastewater systems  one of the things that department homeland security provides is guidance on how to secure critical infrastructure and back to my comments at the beginning about the internet of things everything is connected to the internet in the old days you know there was no reason to have any connectivity into our critical infrastructure but nowadays it's easier to manage those systems if you have access into it but when you do that you open up a hall and you open up a can potentially add risk into that environment so what we've been doing is working with water and wastewater as they're updating their systems to move them and migrate them to the department for your recommended security posture for those different systems and in doing that that adds you know layers of  technology in place and puts things in place that protects those environments and it does add more expense and i just want to make you aware that we are making these requests there will be budget issues for budget requests associated with  it for us to secure our critical infrastructure on each of our sites i'm not going to talk at details about that because it's not really prudent to do that right now but i just wanted to make you aware that we are doing that and we are working with them to secure those allows us to you know not just control and protect the network you know your p c on your desk or your laptop but also to protect the phones and tablets they give back to the internet of things you know people's mobile devices are connected to the internet their access and their county e mail and if they if their and point gets infected that could potentially end the county so mobile device management system allows us to be a kind of what they call container eyes but really manage the county part of the part of their their phone that might be accessing the county network and there's a way to do that so that they're each separate and they're not cross pollinating and we don't have to worry about infections so that's a system that we're looking in we're we've been evaluating a variety of our vendors  actually know every single change a modification that's gone on our environment again because we don't have you know huge staff individuals managing every system we've got vendors that assist us with some of those systems and having to provide out access management tool in place allows us to really manage what those vendors that are assisting us are doing and track those changes that are happening in our environment  the other thing that we're doing is dated rest i think we mentioned this last year we've got a grant from t h s that's going to help us with that we're going to be working cooperated fully with what the states doing in order to get that in place and leverage the work that they've already done we've also are going to be working on data in transit initiative some of the vendors that we're already working with have tools in place where we can leverage what we already have and just out on a little bit of extra order to get that data in transit and basically that means trafficking across are communicating across our network would be encrypted so even if somebody got in there they couldn't read it you know they can read the packets to get there and  and that's really it like that through that quickly any questions thank you very much first of all for your presentation cyber security has become a tremendous issue in all aspects three changed just because of that i never had a problem but because that particular retail outlet was breached any usage of any card that was used during that period of time and i guess for employees because with personnel as well as pay will employees have bank accounts deductions go to direct deposits and what have you added we've seen the actual damage that's been done with social security or or when was it postal employees is the way the intruders get in you know is they big they expect somebody to let them in the door ok so you know why talked about the phishing emails you know here's your package or here's your receipt you know what you say to pay for a payroll right so if you get something from a d p you may open it and so it's it's a two factor thing so we're training our employees like i mentioned with the secure in the human training so we're training people to recognize when somebody is sending them something that may not necessarily be right but the x in the annex which you know two different layers of protection there also add that layer of protection so we're not sol you were lying on somebody to be suspicious of that e mail it's just stopping it from coming in the door it's blocking it so if you accidentally click on something or say you go to a legitimate web site that's been compromised you know each you don't know they've just been compromised and it's not like you're doing something wrong these systems are in place to help protect that so to prevent that like with the you know i think the feds you know that was a nation state you know they believe china did that and that was a nation state you know hacker that went in there but the way they probably got him was by just sending somebody an e mail getting somebody to click on it and once they clicked on it that opened the bass up in the background you know nothing's there to stop it and it's going to go out to you know what they call the command and control center and start feeding information and that's basically what it did it just started siphoning off a bunch of information and once they have that hole in the environment they can get around and do stuff and so that's why we're adding these different layers of protection in there you know it's it's it's not like the old days you know have the appropriate cybersecurity protection in place we need to also be aware of what vendors like a d p who run systems on in their own environment have in place for cyber security so so are our scope of concern expanse with more and more of information systems residing in the cloud we need to do our due diligence and be aware of what vendors of those cloud services do to protect the information that's there so it's no longer just protecting us against people that could break in into our environment we need to be worried about other people sometime misses so hard out here i guess  t with the fed in there like for the a p paper old i are there provisions that where is sure that they have a large wall to prevent intruders are is that something that is that i hope to with with what we've learned over the years we need to take a closer look at that and with new agreements we definitely make need to make that an upfront requirement so that we have better n just to pick up on what you are saying we're guarding you know and what you are requesting regarding the vendors announced i think within the last week that they are going to start adding cyber risk to their credit rating so you know so it's not just something everybody is asking these questions and everybody wants to make sure their partners or their partners are doing everything they can not just protect themselves but even the customers you know the people that are using their systems and so i was very pleased to see that moody's going to start adding that in there because that helps us you know understand what risk they potentially have and if the mood is going out there saying you know this guy's you know they're bad on security risk than you know we don't want to be part of that so it's great that they're recognizing it and they're doing things to help the customers i think each year and thank you for bringing this up i your opening slides in regards to the big federal government and the cia and all that you know that love will be tampered with and here we are the little colony trying to protect ourselves in the big guys got breach that these were all ones that had come through our system and this new program caught them is that what this graph i guess is showing us right now that's correct  analyzed it can be recognized because of some signature in where zero day threat is that first twenty four hours when things are being released before those larger systems have identified them and developed protection against it so these are things that are not being caught by the normal filters and in the background of being executed in a safe way to see if there is something hidden in there that house has been identified  day in that one a van that was basically a crypto wall that event so that was like a single click let's say right click on this and that one crypto wall did all of this in twenty four seconds because what it was attempting to do it was you know the way these malware is work is they try to contact the mothership right so that's that's they said their command and control center so all of those different it within that twenty first second period was trying to call the mothership hey i'm in you know give me what i need right so that's what it was trying to do but it got blocked by fire so it and again that's just so that's how quickly it happened that activated so it's just on going twenty four seven layout sixty five exactly even over the holidays and lost all the time but it's wonderful you know you don't have to be all paranoid all the time very good and the page and i guess you don't want to get too much into it but the f y twenty two sixteen budget item is looking to put more protection into this network whatever program when we were just taken appropriate action i guess if you want to use it in that term to protect themselves as well as the public at large and more importantly i think being prosing i'll say this the new trend today is not just a bomb hitting us we there has been airlines that have reported breaches in their computer systems as the plane was flying you know and we used to think that was all you know all outer space in what i called the  what you call those dick tracy and all of those shows that used to have all of that you used to laugh at and that no way that will ever happen but now that's become reality you know star wars this year you know star trek is you and i again making us aware and making the public aware did you know you should be checking your created your critic card statements you me anything you do on the computer and you check knowledge to make sure it's  and finally really keep an eye on anything that's suspicious if it doesn't look great they'll open it up i think that's the key if you get something from some strange or even somebody you know for example my wife has and behold that lady was still here in ma we and was now requesting any financial help so will again be careful public you know we're we're doing our due diligence but you have to do yours if anything doesn't seem right but i see something that i think like you said looks fishy or not right kid can you i mean you want to get it out of your laptop phone whatever your device is so can you at least click on it to delete it out or how would you what do you do with it is it just going to sit there or just don't touch it don't open it and let it be in your computer waiting for that accidental moment to oh no i didn't mean open that or when you work or how do you get rid of it  something comes in the mail or otherwise that you don't recognize you don't expect it took suspicious just go ahead and delete it without opening it so if it comes in your inbox you can delete it without opening it and it will disappear because typically to open it and then click on something or open something in the know so just go ahead and leave it straight from the inbox and that way it won't be able to infect very good so that way good for not only calling you but your own personal amy amy e mail you received it doesn't look right if you're suspicious delete it and that probably lemonade any chance of any virus or any kind of ability to crash your computer or your device and if it's not real obvious