i don't know as much about that i feel that i know there are issues that are specific to that he'll still adjust that right and i would say that both cases can proceed to a decision if there is money and as i understand the money is all going to singapore i think your honor to whine about your your point that after this is all about the money ultimately this appeal is not about the money that a republic of the philippines has no desire everybody is trying to say that the money belongs in a certain spot in the republican the philippines because of their legislative action judicial or actual so the money for long starts and as i understand all the money in question that they may have made internally to hold the assets and financially secure institutions in other countries is not relevant to where they were deposited relevant actions and they are actually being held legally in the philippines although bank to either another back or to a final destination and i guess i took it to mean that those actors performing the transfer and not the recipients were the  well i don't know maybe there's an analysis or analogy here i might be if you and i had a contract and you were going to deliver moneys me tomorrow and then today some court ordered you not to give my money to court can make them do that so why are we having this conversation i guess why why does this even have any real fact even if it were property  raised a moment ago that the credit suisse decision was viewed by all parties as not limiting any of the district court to look at those funds once they left switzerland and all parties including the reached now just recently and we've put cash in our supplemental excerpts of wreckers the testimony of senator by who came back into the district court to explain his role after process and he explained documents that are not before you that are also part of the problem so i think you should just understand that the nature of the settlement is still being factually developed and there were  computers properly one of the parties is the philippines commission in good government and that's the family and the undertaking one of the parties is a commission on good government same folks an assassin and i don't see the republic of the philippines and then a and other in any other form as an entity in each of these agreements you're out of the written documents you have in front of you do not reflect the entire nature of the agreement they are  died and that's ok i'm just trying to the structure again i think it's all about the money you want one hundred fifty million apparently the republic of the philippines if i read the brief right saying nobody's going to get anything that we want that money marcos took it out again we passed the agricultural act we've got this good government act we don't care about anybody we want all the money on the matter where it is always going to get anything that's correct except that the commission for good government chinese documents willing to release one hundred fifty million  you use your hands on it you get your hands on whether it's an instinct for they're the only effect which seems to me the undertaking a lot of that was money in the philippines bank which would could been released immediately tomorrow morning but the banks not going to release i'm going to the issue whether or not the judge could have issued the first decision restating the settlement because i don't understand reinstating the settlement the settlement was there all it happened was the philippine court said in th we're not going to allow the bank to release the money they had no jurisdiction as i understand it over the settlement is that right that was that's absolutely right yes so that all a judge said was look because they have repudiated the methodology to fund the settlement i mean execution or release of the money from the philippines i'm green stating the settlement which allows you to go get it where we again again go get the money somewhere that's right and exact your position yes i mean if i analyze it because  i forget about the republic for a minute because if they're not party to this agreement you still got an agreement what someone this commission with for good governance to get one hundred fifty million dollars somewhere the ninety four f thirty five thirty nine where the court recognizes the republic of sovereign immunity and in other words the district court is specifically acknowledging that position and issuing his the philippine national bank and to find out what is going on with this money and the questions are very many with asking of counsel for the republic and where is the money well but we don't know where this money but the money if you follow the money is it seems to be very simple the settlement agreement was only a woman agreement if you have a judgement you can get the bucks for the execute settlement agreement provided its own methodology of execution in the satisfaction of the satisfaction parts of the republic shall cause the philippine bank to transfer the money the undertaking was the key element if you will the execution element to do that now that the philippines as a sovereign if we decide that issue has decided through the president of course if you're not philippine bank to set up the condition on the release that failed because the release condition the approval of the court and the president failed so the bank was off the hook on the undertaking now you're back to going to judge real i guess under the condition that the philippine government provide compensation to the victim in the class before the district court and it's specifically referred to the court a court case that we've been working on now for eighteen years  determine where this money is what the banks are doing and to continue to evaluate the situation and to try to provide an appropriate remedy what would be the result from a practical point of view if we  the victims that still have their three and a half billion dollar judgment in which still be able to pursue assets that they can be discovered and and that's what we are doing but whenever i have to surface in the republika sort of colleagues have made in prior cases most recently in a case involving go off traditions matters of talent heart should be aware of their limitations while this hobson's there's behave more direct connection than authorized counsel for the republican the philippines and the president appearing before the district court having and he she had over a year's process senator buys testimony was that the republican the philippines and the president agreed to it and that they were signed all of the documents are not in the right or at the time was senator bice testimony of few months philippines na with senator biden testimony has certainly been weighing both under foreign sovereign immunity so i am i would also say very instructive is the recent decision in which you your hon but they got a case not admittedly that was specific jurisdiction for a foreign commercial organization but looking at either the majority opinion there or your honest dissent clearly the con decisions of this court as it is brought up by counsel can we go forward after the credit suisse case can we allow our we've now bound by what we told judge real and as judge real going beyond his authority that we reserve if we did in the credit suisse get the answer to that and i see the stop button but i got one minute more the answer to that is yes of course not only this court can go forward but the district memorandum which gave the history and the order of compliance refer to such transfers such transfers go back to the financing institutions themselves that judge rio was directing his attention that none of these orders in any way impinged direct instruction or at that of by the republic of philippines i think i'd like to mention one thing because i see the stop button here and i solution to a social problem on the one hand and for preserving its institutional values on the other hand the procedures that have been employed here by the republican the philippines to come in laterally and attempt time thank you very it would reject the opportunity for mediation before our court me or thank you your honor and first of all i do agree the presidential commission idea government is an agency of the republic it is the point three is that he was approached by the marcus's retained by the marcos to mediate this i don't know he said by members of the marcos family to ask if i would get involved in working with them to result of human rights cases and after reviewing the situation you the import of the memorandum and order is that it purports to enjoin and threatened with contempt the philippines and the banks of the philippine government has ordered to comply with the directives of the philippine supreme cour understand it but if these orders go away the philippines takes the monies out of the philippines ranks of france or wherever we're going to start this game all over again because we're still the judgment outstanding and and as far as i can tell there's all kinds of conditions that doesn't affect the fact that the district court is according the whole thrust of its order is to bind the republic in the settlement agreement and to enjoy the head of implementing the philippine supreme court order they would be willing to mediate as things stand and the answer is clearly that they would not they are not willing to waive their immunity and at this point the republics entirely in the us that is not before this cour and do these extra territorial orders directed to you thanks and other entities in singapore the philippines switzerland interfering with the swiss court  on its own back reported to issue these orders and take action and we have appealed those in the parties are now saying no no the district court should have been allowed to go forward in these order just stand on this court has not been my motion to vacate the credit