hypothetical and there may be collateral or other type of action if there was an injury then there may be a civil action for damages anybody time so they didn't pull it out was a laptop that had all their tax records in it all the financial data of this woman who had a business or whatever and so she was operating  that all of your personal financial stuff had been taken by a thief and so ninety days she's without all of that information where does that fall on the spectrum of reasonable price speculating mansur i don't believe that that caused by a law enforcement agency let's say she lost your business ok that's a result of this all over tax clients left her because the she couldn't do the cash returns for them so she went out of business now she's got a million dollar claim against the government so if that's a damage claim ok that does you're saying that has no bearing on the reasonableness of the search that they are the seizure of the amount of that they went through a method the basically foreclosed their ability to let her know that they really had her laptop that it was she could get it back they would have voluntarily given a but if you don't think that that would bear on the reasonableness of the execution of the season yes i don't think so  does it not that the ruse worked but that the owner of the car thought that the drugs had been ripped off by the driver in the past that is now what the wires showed after the that's it i would have to qualify that answer is yes because after time the registers owner of the vehicle also discontinue use of this telephone and obtain new telephone s all but how is that different from using a battering ram which we understand from the cold similar complaints and ordering the occupants of the house at gunpoint into the don't look to the manner of execution is normally all we're asking is was there probable cause and that point unless the governmental conduct rises to such an extreme and outrageous conduct  going to break into somebodies go arrives in order to install a we used to title three orders knowing full well that the agents are going to have to commit burglaries in order to get into the office or home of the person who's place is being bugged we permit agents to buy and sell drugs i mean and with they do all sorts of things that that you might think are outrageous but the question is whether or not under the constitution it's not a reasonable we do not  certain element of we've given you an order you've demonstrated probable cause the crimes are being committed and we understand that you're in the middle of investigating this crime we don't really want to know how you're going to do this disagree that in some respects judge but there is certainly the requirements that no warrants be served during only plate daylight hours watch times less certain than a particular time and missed in a particular case the showing is made that if her position is that the drugs were mine and i was a passenger in the vehicle how would she have standing to request the district court just suppressed the drugs that are being admitted into evidence against your client well i don't think she does have did not justify search your seizure were those cases where searches or seizures were conducted in an extraordinary manner and usually harmful to an individual's privacy or even physical interest such as for example seizure by means of deadly  unannounced entry into a home in stream into a home without a warrant or physical penetration of the body setting round there i guess that you're reviewing that i think judge thomas question at the beginning assume there are another going hard to achieve that end in some way that we all agree would be outrageous and i'm still waiting to hear that you're not the sort of core of oh well you know they're going to leave they take the woman outside