s attorneys database as a relational database as a type of database that's exactly the same obasi community college and the district court explicitly held that the data fuels within the public bodies database were subject to disclosure order fo thousand and twelve that's also cited our brief and in that the court how this whole bodies may be required to turn over the entire contents of their databases because the information they had on the database is a public record and should be subject to disclosure subject to the exemption in other parts of the statutes that are related to a certain class copy the existing zip codes that are in that area and then provide them with with copies of those zip codes so it's something that is is especially one of the spectrum you have creation old records and subject to florida also something to those of the supreme court held that the public by have to write a computer program to go on the computer tape find the response of nonexempt information and then copy it off the computer tap you're looking for all of them and you're saying you can ask the query asking for six zero six one zero three six what if that's not a relevant zip code to this request will would work is that you would go in a database is not is a public record burdensome there are thousands and thousands of them and for the college to reject them judge came to the conclusion that would be overly burdensome those student registration forms are not skin into the database they would have to be skinny and ian into some kind of search of them for him they're not in there what is somewhere in the databases are bits of information that are on those forms the name a policy to make public records accessible to the public and in this case mr hines is not asking for public records when he initially presented his request to the you don't have a document if you don't have a record that includes this you don't have to produce it and with regard to the student registration forms it's too burdensome you also don't have to produce it and that's essentially what  apparently he has a defined a couple of relational databases within your system that some of this information could be garnered from why and if that is true and i don't think there was a great deal of the adult education records is a state database it's not the college's database and the information is plugged into that but the college can't manipulate it a fact the expert admitted on the stand that he would not have access because he's not a public he's not a state employee he would have access to that and instead arma don't get director jerry dixon testify that she doesn't have direct access to it in in from courts as to kendall kane and du page county or the three counties basically that send information to the college because these are as a result of people drunken driving or you know to alternative arguments one is that every little bit of piece of information in the databases is a public record unto itself which i i don't see how you can possibly that you'll find that to be vital and the second is that the complete banner is one public record and they should be able to have access to that because that's what they were asking for complete access to the database so that they could perform their own searches which of course you can take this data out white can take provide a series of questions to you for you personally but to work on c and that those questions be executed on the appropriate databases to get that information rather than handing in the let me just before we talk about the danger would that be a reasonable alternative to tendering the entire database as the federal and the federal courts have contemplated and all sorts of confidential information on the database but it also means is a complete distortion to him mr hinds on ask all these questions and then compel the college to produce this you're producing a record that was never used for anything i mean if you think it completely he can walk away saying a look this is a public record it's not public record but it's not your use of the records it's i have no idea what he would like these food is therefore the subject before it well yes i mean that's not the situation here and that's a that's a hypothetical so i mean that's not the situation here there are student whines about how it is not such an easy thing to write a query because and this goes to a question that you had before on the search for a particular zip code for instance even in relation to a so so so those total those total over the bus really aren't the issue here the real issue here is the zip code for example requests that are so we see in the happen after it zero we would every single zip code in this state would be identified and then a number after it like there were one hundred two hundred none no it would just be a straight database basically takes the ten different pieces of information that form and takes the zip code and puts it in one table takes the names of you know the table puts the class and percent in another table we want a list of all the zip codes to lead into this class field where this class feel says x y z class and so basically excel export of all those of all those it goes is basically the electronic equivalent c of these hundred two hundred ten thousand paper documents that have first of all the input for the city field for the county code for us citizens over so by a man are you asking for a list of all the different cities in the frequency the number of of the database and pull out every single zip code associated with plastics lazy and just copy and paste that that's the equivalent of again having a stack of forms with everything  with each individual piece of data and nothing else