comments just chairman one correction please under five discussion regarding the adoption of the rolling stones part master plan on one of your senses and that this is merrill freeze the plan should be adopted at school district case moving forward you left out the second part that i would like to add that was but there are too many issues that are still undecided for it to be improvement or discussion which will support mine on the first when we spent two hundred mg thirty six thousand dollars on the rocks all the price of rock salt would have been five thousand four hundred dollars higher so it's our recommendation that  wall that is least twenty feet high for approximately two hundred twenty five feet and the reason why it is necessary is that on this particular property which is sits adjacent to road by way of the intersection with nineteen years at the site i think it would be very difficult to develop the site if you were coming off a roof where you where you have the interest in  plans right now this would be right where this is it would be the temporary construction access which would this side of things would then be removed they have an existing easement here for a normal entrance once and once the building is up and operational cars will be coming  just being considered for office space how make a motion there we approve the request subject to the five conditions set forth in the planning commission memo revising the fifth condition they say they'll be no construction access from route nineteen i also would amend the condition with regard to the landscaping buffer to say that the landscaping buffer below the wall will be nature of evergreen trees and sufficiently stack such that the view of the wall from and see if you can come to some sort of idea that would you know with marking out or whoever it could be palatable and then vote on this war give mr schmidt the opportunity to find out whether or not you condition an he would be against that based on the knowledge he has right now so we are not sure what it would be the also helpful to know really what the hell to make use of the building's going to be i mean right now we're hearing that's going to be an office building turns out to be retail obviously there's going to be more i will withdraw the motion and i will make a motion that we tabled this application pending the engineers review of a whether or not there is sufficient space between the retained proposed retaining wall and the flood zone for the placement of a landscape buffer and also to give us an opportunity to review traffic issues and the feasibility of an access on to old o future of eighteen thousand one hundred eight owners for the following four years to exchange for that he's willing to waive his right to appeal the amount of the traffic impact the and  property that's not a point to signs located in the valley road mixed use corridor district now surrounding the site is a piece of property that's owned by peters township of one point six acres of it's owned by the township right now is the majority of that site is used as a existing stormwater detention facility really for the edge where dr west there's the inlets that are located in your work their way down and work their way into the  right along through here there's also an existing brick building located where even through this section and then other utilities occur overhead a letter climate works itself through this section and then a sewer line that comes through here and then some additional offsite sewers and through this location once again with the arrowhead trail located right along the site and want to see in the future rolling hills park property being in close proximity and once again the  and then right along a brush creek looking along through this section this is taken right along the edge of the township property that's there right now you can see some of the existing sanitary manacles and one seed about it were grow to be a little bit higher  existing gravel access drive that's there once again the arrowhead trail off to the left is really the heart property so she would get the front of the existing building the rear of the building through here and then this part of the back in through here is the existing detention facility that's there today and this is kind of looking through the detention facility to the back of the of the bridge building as a concrete channel i'm through from from the township now what we'd like to be able to do is really kind of take the condition that this weighs in now make more like what's happening you saw in the pictures of course a way to come through remove a lot of the brush maintain the existing detention facility that's there that's never the goal to remove that detention facility it's always there to be maintained and really kind of clean up the site and possibly look at some type of lease or easement agreement to allow a small little development that could occur now what we show here is once again the parcel see your the township property this dash areas where the detention facility  that is the existing bridge building that's there there today and see in the gravel access drive that's that's there as well today mr robinson like to come through once again can remove all the trees and shrubs and debris with it within the property it that would make it a little bit more attractive as well as adding plant material that really can really work within the detention facility itself to give it a little bit of an appearance overall because once again here's the storm pipe that comes into the detention  at the top of the berm to give it a little bit more of a landscape appearance around around the top really what we can look at is the master plan for the site which would once again having the coffee shop where the trail sho located within through here main goal would be if it's permitted is to really raise the existing building and put a twenty one by thirty building approximately in the location of where it's at today or maybe look at doing some kind of f expansion of what's there today the same location but we would also then look at doing a asphalt driver where the existing gravel is a a parking access over into the coffee shop and then adding really connor working with the gravel in through here for additional parking for a total of eleven spaces overall within this claim was strong and some would also like the ability to really kind of connect to the existing arrowhead trail through this section so similar of the the access to the coffee shop but be able to get to the trail over a long through this section also like to be able to kind of do a fitness trail of mourning his property along this section as part of the master plan would take into account all maintenance associated with this property that would include the maintenance of the stormwater intension the silty making sure that it's in proper working order and also kind of keep it in it's in need of periods that's that's would be similar to this property office off the side once again the blue represents the flight away green represents a flood plain area along along through this section once again any plan that would come through with a coffee shop would still need to come in front of the planning commission staff to be reviewed but we wanted to show this is a conceptual idea of some of the goals that mr robinson would like to do to really kind of improve that parcel and once again kind of make it a highlight of bally  k road that he has currently with his existing parcel area a through here so once again as we're looking at it as we kind of highlight the area which is one point six acres and then by the township the signs requirements that are needed to the tape and we showed an eleven there would be nine it would be required for a building of this size as well i was really looking at some of the off outside table types of uses and number five have a township water management facility on the parcel and and right now the responsibility for that lies with the township i i would think he you would want whatever you do manage it if they need to well with regards to the t m the point is basically what the federal government is mandating is that the local governments are responsible to control pollutants in the street however they miss they were they have to whether it's property that they control or whether the property that somebody else controls eventually if we run our properties that we control we have to go to private property owners and say hey it's still our responsibility to  charged with addressing it in that strain by constructing the features a long history that addressed it both as a floodway and both that in terms of the contaminants in the value because the the partial of the township runs right now as a storm water management facility on it that can be altered so where you might be able to put a small building in a parking area there you are not going to interface is that with the open space the people in that play and have an expectation to use it and they have access to it this is a storm water management facility there is not an expectation that that you have use in access to it except for the storm water that is being discharged on that play and i would think that this would that would make this different the question of whether or not you can transfer piece of property without some competitive bidding process is that's a different question i mean mr smith ha over the management of the detention on the it would be i think is simply just exchanging our property for a permanent easement that is subject to  continue to maintain that area of the detention pond in a manner consistent with the terms of the easement when we start talking about separate uses those involve different legal rights that i think would have to be subject to some form of a long term lease agreement because there you're talking about legal interests acts ingress egress what happens if somebody slips and falls what happens if we're going to build a structure there who is the application and what right do they have to make that application and i think those things would fall more in line with the natural lease agreement so i do believe that for ingress egress standard terms and conditions related to the use of the property as it is in maintaining that ten detention pawn in swapping our lot for the right to beautify maintain this i think we could make it something as simple as these men but when we go to that next step and start talking about structures and uses like that we would have to have  a separate instrument that would be the leagues that would be that would refer for a license something that would represent a legal interest beyond simply the use of the real surface area of the property but i think that is not the question from the question in front of you simply does council wish to entertain this this body of arrangement and if so will you authorize the dodgers was it her to do the research necessary to be able to bring something back to  right now could be funded from either district we're going to use suggest that the district boundary be slightly modified by going up capturing the new high school park appeals process when you read the language it's in or or is it mirrors the language in every other word into western pennsylvania where there are traffic improved fees and that's not because that review we the proposals with regard to the intersection to make for a road and the and the park property in fact one of these i'm going to suggest to you we need to do is we need that roof because we're h so we're going to talk about that and with one of the things to him and we're going to do that at this meeting as an executive session i am because we're going to talk about this and it may involve the acquisition of property in there for it to do it as an executive session but also we're going to talk about the school resource officers and what they're proposing for the upcoming year and school security items or eligible one is a and executives session item  i don't want to spend a lot of time on this but i guess this is what we get us to talk about next week with the one thing that i believe is noteworthy and i think that is with with this intersection  roads the intersection center church road we should do our best to make sure that they are we implemented is the best possible solution because we will go back and visit this again once it's constructed it will stay that way and i know mr mims has been a very strong proponent of a an intersection with a traffic signal and his argument has always been what happens when schools lot in session like r car is through there and the service will actually drop to a c if there's an argument against around about i think that's what the argument is is that if it doesn't kindle those events you know has not yet been approved for the grading when ian has been approved which gives them the authority to go out and begin the gravy on that property we just want to let you know that so that in fact people are surprised when when earth begins to