thank you i'm charles clarke i'm the chair of the belmont planning board and i welcome you to the september th two thousand eight hundred meeting of the planning board i call the meeting to order at this point i'd like to introduce you to the members of the board zoning amendments for the special november tell meeting there are two issues that we're dealing with which one is the adult use marijuana overlayed district the nd one is the south pleasant street overlay zoning district we'll discuss those and see how we go on those they'll be updates of potential cases of plain pork project in committee reports we will also this evening be reviewing building materials for the bradford did are they is he coming is auto coming this evening that's correct our auto will be here for toll brothers to give a presentation and he's going to bring actual physical examples of the the building that's criteria that we can touch feel right exactly that's great that's what we wanted we're going to talk about some general residence guidelines that being said let's continue the public hearing forward forty five to forty seven  board's concerns were as much as possible and see how we could both address some of the discussion that was going on and maybe clarify a few things and then also modify the plans to address some of the concerns expressed by the board i think for us what we looked at   st of all the whole kind of concept of the half story and why we're here today and the reason we're here is in the height of the building the size of the story that we're proposing to at the perimeter of the external wall basically the three components of the zoning guidelines that define the half story we're here because the when the house was built before the zoning guidelines were put into place the foundation was poured eight inches below the sixty percent threshold that's that defines basement or cellar which triggers the story count so if a developer had gone in today and built the same house and just built the basement eight inches lower than he could build this dormer by right all of this the thirty percent and there's a new building out that's something different but i just wanted to kind of point that out that we're really talking about and you also have a minor lot coverage issue too i've a lot coverage issue is in reference to the jack on the back of the house reading a new deck and looking at the video i didn't see we looked carefully at that and it didn't seem like a concern of the boards we left the deck on because we really didn't car a lot of discussion it didn't seem to be one of the primary concerns of the board so we addressed the the thing that we could address was the height issue so what we did was we took two feet off the ridge side of the house which brought the roof height down to only one foot seven foot over the existing  spencer recommended that we take some additional pictures of the lot the coverage of the foundation because that's the piece that's high is the foundation so there's some existing growth there that's pretty dense we are completely open to adding more density to that growth if the height of the foundation is an issue for the board so where we're completely open to that but we feel between lowering the roof by two feet and kind of trying to clarify what we're doing with the half story and that it is actually within all the guidelines well within the guidelines that are set forth for half stories that we're complying we also want to point out in the initial packet on pages five dollars and six dollars there are three neighboring houses shown these houses are all taller than craig's house and they all have the exact dormer that craig trying to add to right on channing street i don't have a survey measurement saying they're taller but i took a laser and kind of did a what i could do with that but i don't have survey equipment so i can't do that or their permission to survey their house so i couldn't do that so those are kind of our initial comments our response to your and your concerns from the last meeting i believe be here today but he had some comments on this do we have his comments yes i through this so we can put this into the record for the most ok i know it will be a bit ok hi spencer r t the subjects special permit application since talks about the dormer being less than three hundred feet because of the additional increase in the size of the dimensions of the building that comes to us anyway so so the nd paragraph ok as to the substance of the case the applicant appropriately points out that the size of the proposed addition conforms with most of the dimensional guidelines outlined in the zoning by a lot of the problem however is that the expansion represents a substantial structure and last quote it determines that such reconstruction expansion alteration or change does not increase the non conforming nature of said structure or create a new conformity and shall not be substantially more detrimental than the existing non conforming structure to the neighborhood in which it is located and quote the proposed project would clearly increase the structures non conforming nature as to number of stories and could not substantially more detrimental to the neighborhood than the existing non conforming building however in my opinion the proposed alteration does not pass that test those shed dormer additions have been common in the belmont shiite neighborhoods i can only find three instances among the thirty five to family dwellings in the belmont center g r in neighborhood one is relatively small and none involved raising the roof rich higher than their budding neighbors the propose project also calls for conversion of a half of a half hip roof on the south end to a double gable end further increasing non conforming mass the absence of a shed dormers in the applicant's neighborhood allows the two family homes and chani across streets to blend in with a single family residences in the surrounding channing road brayden street pleasant street area that in turn contribute significantly to the attractive small town character of belmont center in noticeable contrast to the more urban feel of waverly square in the triple a road belmont street corridor neighborhoods where should dormers or more prevalent i feel strongly that the planning boards primary role is to enforce the restrictions of the zoning by law where clearly defined as in this case in my experience the planning board is grand that special permits only in cases where land form or other clear local neighborhood very very best regards do you have a response to that so i would say that we're not actually increasing the story nonconformity it's it's a three and a half story building by the new not new but by the zoning by a lot story and have stories we're not making in four and a half stories we're not making it for we're leaving it exactly as it is we're just adding a dormer to the side of it using any of the the basement for habitable spaces that used for an apartment or it's completely restroom or anything it's completely storage it's storage and it has like the laundry oh he's going to put the laundry on the yeah he's got he's got to move some of the way it is completely storage our it's an unfinished basement he has no plans on finishing it nor does he have the ceiling i had to do that so let me ask you in terms of you should do armor that could be in the front of the house once i says it's side we still we're keeping it's because of the perimeter guideline so the length of the roof you're only allowed to occupy seventy five percent of that with a dormer by the guidelines were taking up less than that and we're pulling it back from the front of the house but i think you can see here we're going to the front there's the front elevation right is correct ok  one foot seven inch increase in the height of the building i saw it as more of a de minimus and not creating you know a hardship to the neighborhood i don't think this is harmful to the neighborhood at all we went to all of the neighbors including the renters i know the board had made some statements about people not understanding drawings but we did go to all of them and talk to them about where it was what it was we show the drawings explain the height difference the st time around it was even taller and crazy even talked to some of the others and now that it's lower they don't have any concerns and you know when he references the three other houses with the roof condition that craig has they're all relocated in the stretch where his house is i know there are he says there are thirty five in the area but you know further down channing they become more residential as it blends into the s r c district that runs the rest of that street so where he where he gets closer to the town center there are more that's where the dormers are  the nonconformity is increased that's a pretty clear test that would be a variance wouldn't for making it worse well below the allowed hype by five feet you saying karl that you'd like to see the dormer down a bit i'm not it i'm not a fan of these gigantic dormers that go almost from the beginning of the house and almost to the end i think that was one of the things that the town meeting addressed quite specifically was that for you take gable roof house and you essential e turn it into an almost a full dorm or a full length dormer of the house of the of the whole house and and holding it back a few feet does not change the overall impact in terms of the so in addition to watching because the the you guys brought up the town meeting where that where it was discussed and we watched it and i couldn't that are allowed by the town i understand that it can vary from area to area and what neighborhood you're and i we understand it and that's why we lowered it by two feet and really try to make it a small bit right now he's got right now the space that he has that there is existing space which is  pictures in that package that we view initially i mean he's got a bedroom up there and a living space up there neither him has enough space for it for egress windows that me today's code and the ceiling i doesn't really need today's code but they are better i mean that counts as a bedroom the listing it's on the assessor's office as a bedroom but if he built a today it would never be a better home so we're trying to bring that up to code both for life safety and a comfort standpoint and yet we want to be mindful of the neighbors and that's why when when you guys said it was too high the st time we brought it down we did our initial st that was i was trying to make it feel more residential by having more of a gable end to it that was why i did that and then when we heard we responded that by bringing it back down two feet which keeps  when i read steve's words i i'm just having trouble understanding whether we have curfew or not or whether that's just a fly on our it was an issue that it was an issue that came up in discussions about the yeah i think i think he got i think he believed that that was the case and i think since that time we've gotten some clarification from town council correct spencer there's right so if it was below the three hundred square feet steve comment would apply but they're actually increasing their gross floor area by around seven hundred dollars something square feet so it's still within the plan your board's purview in terms of that so you're you're ok caro from that if you're if you're asking me if i'm yeah i would like it better i don't i don't think that i think that would have to be substantially more i think it would need to be well beyond the visibility from the street or across the street before it would feel like it was too large it would have to be set back set back and down is that what you're saying karl did you watch this when they made the presentation before did you watch the t v if you didn't you didn't i didn't ok we can't vote for conflict because we don't have a quorum of everybody who watched this can i just make a suggestion i would be comfortable if if you could figure out a way to address carl's concern about moving the the dormer just back a bit if you could figure out a way to do that do that with us spencer and then in terms of the other issues i think we can go forward on things ok i think i've talked to my client about because to the front spaces where the betterment is in the bystanders i really can look at configurations on the inside and see what we can yes indeed i can if you can bring that way because look at i mean if you take a look at it from thing on their houses and we have to tell them that maybe three of the main due neighborhood right but they wouldn't be for this so if you would think about that it's good because we're trying to make would try to figure out a way to make this work for you that you know we appreciate that we i'm just want to point out because we can't see the other elevation right now on at least on screen that any two dimensional view is going to look like that no matter how far back you push the norm or meaning on paper it won't look that way from the street because you're never going to be looking at it with a direct slice but any two dimensional view is going to look exactly like that drawing can your architect do a quick look it's a sketch up model or i don't know i'm sure we could have costing you with that oh yeah no oxygen we could do something but i just wanted to point that out like no matter what we do we could take it all the way back to the back rd of the house and it will still look like this from this view on this drawing your suggestion for how we deal with the issues i mean do you think if this was a three dimensional thing that we would say this looks like you should do i'm attacked on the side now i've got three of them across the street i thought that we could do to make this work here i mean i i'd have to study it i mean i think so you know one thing i'll throw out there is my partner diane miller has been before you guys before and i believe she brought a cardboard model that you guys found very helpful would you prefer that kind of model or would you prefer that really great not the same house but god if i showed up without my pillow i could bring that if you think that would be helpful i just you know part of me there's no need for that now there is an overarching concern from two members of the board that of the area and the idea of dormers that are just if i build a model savior if you can if you can show us that and you think that that would be persuasive and that that would give us a better idea of how this will sit in the neighborhood i think that's terrific and i think that'll get us part way there ok that or i think the point of view a point of view rendering you know digital rendering that would go to also great either what is someone standing on the street look i don't know that the model the models going to district ok spencer would you bring us food forward on this short so since the board last met staff worked on a st draft of a buy a lot of aced on the comments that we've received i have a copy of the draft that i can pull up but i want to go through a quick highlights of  what it includes and then we can do a deeper dive as you see fit the st order of business would be to create definitions which would go in section one dollar of those only by law we would add a definition for adult use marijuana establishment marijuana cult of our mayor cultivator marijuana independent testing laboratory marijuana product manufacturer marijuana products and marijuana retailer next would be to revise the schedule of uses which is in section three dollars of the zoning bylaw to add marijuana cultivator marijuana independent testing laboratory marijuana product manufacturer and marijuana retailer we go on short let me just make the comment that was the vote on this it's in september and september th town of about th we're going to there's going to be a town my vote on this if the but if the vote is affirmative for what the motion is then all there will be is the dispensary if it's not affirmative then everything everything else will be in play right that's why we have these we we were of the i'm of the opinion that it will probably  carry through and that probably only just a marijuana dispensary will be in play for the town nonetheless we have to have stubs for for this in case it goes the other way on lastly it would be to create a new section six f for adult use marijuana establishment overlay district and that section would include a purpose for the for the section of the bylaws it would identify the authority and establishment it would create physical and locational requirements it would identify a special permit application requirements a special permit grading criteria for the for the planning board special permit conditions of approval and then agricultural exception for the special permit and then if you want i can pull up the actual text and i think the actual text has been online right it is not online yet but it was published but it was a published by the person right there we call the alcohol would be under the general bylaws they don't fall into this this will be a special permit because this is a new use for correct yes  but it but the special permit lapses they lose their license all kinds of other reason so i just wasn't sure if we were creating more it you'll be able to see him we should be in good shape but we have the vote in and we can sort of put this in a final kind of shape and get ready for a town meeting after that we should talk about i think we talked about the flood watches shows the map that has the shore latest on it and we're basically overlaying where the medical marijuana that's right that's correct with the exception forward the the royal belmont the apartment complex over on route two we didn't include it in that section since it's already built out we didn't really make sense to put it there but otherwise it's in the same place at the medical marijuana could you point so this this is the overlay that we have now for medical it's the same thing so there's no change right so medical is here which is up where the royal belmont apartment complex is medical is also in this area here which is general business district general business district is also where the d p w yards are and then it's also medical marijuana is in the l b two district along south pleasant street the current draft of the proposed don't use marijuana is also censored you want to move forward with the presentation on the shore so the the map on the sly is slightly different from the map that was presented to you july meeting i wasn't in attendance but i watched the meeting and based on what i heard it sounded as though the board wanted to stop the overlay district at the town owned paper street here and not include the two polo road properties the draft document that worked on with regards to the by law includes that language for those so i wanted to hopefully get some resolution on where the board stood with regards to the trial or road properties and if you want to be overlay to continue down or if this is what you intended this would include all remember it was about trying to create waverly square with a similar ad i mean i can't remember that we decided not to it makes perfect sense to bring it all the way down there i mean i think that we have development opportunities up in the other part here i don't think anything's going to happen show us soon on the other hand we must will do the whole thing at once and make this i mean we've been talking i think he and he had been talking about when you begin to do the living in other things you begin to open up the pathway to waverley square job to stefano's project is read to the right of that so real quickly the highlights we would add a definition in section one dollar assisted living facilities and then insert a new section six g for the south pleasant street overlay district which would include a definition of the boundary of the district the uses that are permitted within the district performance and design standards which would include mixed uses dimensional regulations height if they are parking requirements as well as design standards special permit application requirements and designing site plan review and special permit procedures we should note that basically the overlay is the is the except for a couple of things which we talked about earth one it's the dimensional requirements that are the l b one that's correct though it's so we're familiar with what i'm also going to suggest i know other people have other  here i think that would make sense i think i've spoken with a number of people and i'm getting positive feedback in in terms of that i think and i think there is a definition that would we would add in for assisted living facility it's discusses what exactly an assisted living facility is what the criteria that would be for instance provide providing room and board  provides directly provided by directly by employees or their arrangements with other organizations personal care services and then collects payments or rd party reimbursements in the half of the residen and then going on outlines the draft text for the overlay district itself the st section is the purpose which is pretty standard for for zoning you generally have a purpose section that outlines sort of the reason for creating the district talks about encouraging revitalization of south pleasant street promoting the redevelopment of underutilized properties promoting mixed use development and allowing for uses and dimension regulations that are in the l b one district we should also we should also make a note here for anybody who's interested in this we've kept the underline too so and used is there in place like one of the the next section covers the the boundary which is what we just discussed them a moment ago and instead of that form it talks about it in text form next section discusses they apply camilla he just talks about it being an overlay district and it talks about what you were discussing that the existing zoning districts don't change that you're still allowed to utilize that zoning the underlying zoning but you know have the option of using the overlay if you choose as a property owner the authority section discusses the player who would be the special permit permit granting authority and in this case it is the planning board allowed as you discussed earlier the it's journey what's allowed in l b one would be allowed in the south pleasant street overlay district with the addition of assisted living facilities and potential sixty point three discusses the performance and design standards and this really goes into the detail on shaping what type of development would go and would utilize this the overlay district  will provide the planning board with guidance in the future when granting design a site plan or view and special permits this is these are the same that you would be looking at and determining if those development that these are the basic will be ones there may be some that's right that's right that's one thing that we've included in is the section here on the discussing the topography there are some spots on the long pleasant street where the property slopes significantly towards the rear and the current basement definition would basically make it so that the basement the ground floor to below grade floor on a steeply slope site would ultimately be considered a floor and so if you're granting a special permit for three floors then you're really looking at special permit for two floors above grade and in the one below us you're not really increasing the height there so what has been drafted here is stating that if it's the topography does slope that way and the developer utilizing the basement floor as a below grade parking garage not have a not habitable that's correct then it could be considered you could be allowed a th story which is really to the st floor is the basement parking garage into the rd floor from and from pleasant street it would be three floors that's correct that's correct sixty three dollars goes into the parking requirements and allows the planning board to make reproductions in the on site parking requirements under a number of conditions  a believe there was discussion when we talked about the proposed assisted living project that there may be some reduction in parking but i believe that it's in a situation like that as in all special permit cases that the applicant would have to make a case and they'd have to support that and they would have to hide us with information from traffic people who have have be part of the special from us that's correct the bicycle parking we actually took from the cushing village overlay district the language in the earlier portion of the bio here is calling for  pedestrian friendly mixed use environment and so we included additional bicycle park parking requirements for projects such as ones that would be in question village and applied them here with one caveat that assisted was he would talk about that and there was there was something we talking i forget what project it was but we should take a look at that we should increase that here mean we're also going to have the community coming through here right so you know that should be it's we can increase i mean both we don't anticipate that in the assisted living purse that is going to be used but we're going to see more and more bikes  were encouraging that we should encourage that here ok moving along in six years in sixty three three discusses the design standards and some general guidelines for the architecture and the aesthetics of the development again this is the information the board will look at when reviewing a project to determine if it if he's accomplishing what the board would like to see these developments accomplish along south pleasant street so these are the standard kind of lists that we went through we did pushing village the there you see things that should be ok to this please please read in your comments carl if you see anything that road with we might want to tighten the knot and in a couple places ok so let's go with the next one the building building design which talks about scale the make materials in appearance architectural details signs and on ing vehicle and pedestrian features parking structures lighting landscaping and off site improvements and then it's just process yeah i would suggest that i mean we're going to hear from the public in a moment in terms of this i would suggest that the big board members go through this document and any suggestions or questions or changes that you think might improve it it's efficacy i would appreciate that sentiment to spencer don't share them amongst yourselves so we don't get in trouble with an open meeting but any comment you have he can take a look at those and incorporate those or call them out as things that need to be discussed at the next meeting are there any other comments from the board at this point let's open it up to the public i know plan which the housing trust had put together with a lot of community input highlighted a lot of needs and i'm definitely included seniors young families and we had focused on transit areas really being a place  needed where we have the potential to produce the homes that belmont needs so in that you know i'm hopeful that we will utilize tools that will really help us maximize the amount of affordable homes that we can get out of areas like waverly square and also increase vibrancy and be able to better support businesses in the area and so do all that i'm just wondering if the board has looked at using chapter forty r and creating an overlay district that  down more into waverly square because i think a lot of the things that are being proposed here are very similar to forty are but with chapter forty are there's a lot more that comes with it for a moment we would be able to be reimbursed if there were any school costs that resulted from kids there's also a bonus for actually you know how many units could be created as well as three thousand dollars per unit that a building permit is pulled for in addition it also gives us priority for some of the state programs state funds can also increase the match for buildings for school buildings so i just think it's a tool that would really help belmont and it's a tool many other communities have used particularly as they're trying to get to ten percent of the state subsidized housing inventory so it's one and this has been part of the thinking it is something that's still on the table or if we really are just focusing specifically on this piece of south pleasant to do the assisted living with a little bit more yes thank you for bringing that up that's an interesting issue and i know you had written to the board on august th about that our thought is that what's happening on s street is less this is less transportation oriented than the things that are closer to waver we square i agree that we're really square it needs to be revitalized and needs to be redeveloped be the zoning tool that you're talking about is one of the potential tools that i think is something that we should seriously talk about and i think when we get to waverley somewhere i think that we will i think when we look at waverly square i i look at this as sort of a two phase kind of thing the self pleasant street is right at this point for redevelopment especially if we change the zoning we've got one of two projects that are ready to go at this point this will take a while to get through and go i think the next place is we're really square and this is a potential tool and there are other tools as well so that's a discussion that we need to have from waverly square ok so i suspect that thank you i suspect i suspect that will be next year i suspect we'll begin to take a look at that in the spring at least that's my hope it will begin to take a look at how we resume where we square to make it uniform and take a look at whatever zoning tools and development tools we can find that will help us move forward on that ok and you have questions that's ok the star market plan would be potentially under two or lay districts because it's included in this one i mean we had there would be any problems you know and it's not a chapter forty are but there is development happening and is there anything in this area that could potentially be done in here with all of these or if there's over fifty five dollars or over sixty five dollars an age restricted housing and that will be the the so i mean i suggest if you think that that's important that you go ahead and try to change them ok thank you very much if any other questions the n d you came here you probably have introduce yourself building height increasing at the thirty two feet it doesn't really end the building height to three stories it doesn't it's barely it doesn't need a special you know assess this and we've got to prove our case to you we've done some research and and i'm and we'll present that probably at the next meeting of the towns and cities around us and what they require in their zoning bylaws for parking specifically for assisted living and what you find it's not all the same and there are some that are like what we're proposing one car for ford whiling units or four beds  assisted living facility there are others that say two to perth for one pro and one for every two there are others that are less you know one for every five and then  the highest i think is wall fam the city of want them which is three beds three parking spaces for every four walling it's almost all the other ones in fact all the other ones are less than that in particular in the northeast given all the climate implications of that never thing else that the requirement for parking in assisted living is really on the lower side of this equation as opposed to the higher side and we're prepared to demonstrate that to you in the future so this is assumed the one point four one for four units but everything else if you look at it we're compliant if we get the special  and get this done we think it's a good use for boma low impact on schools lot of tax revenue and very little traffic and parking impact once all those things come together i think most people realize it makes a lot of sense the check you mentioned that in this is new by law and it might be good to include the you know the over fifty five are independent living type housing you know the that's really the progression nationwide is you know for the coordinated care communities kind of things where you have everything from skilled nursing like nursing home assisted living and then rd component being independent living so it's really a progression and you can really maximize and you start somewhere but i think it helps maximize the not only the synergy but also the resources of these enterprises and that's nation why what's happening we expect that you will see other developers or you know or or stored others who want to do independent living up there you know i think so if you have any questions on this and again this is conceptual we're not saying this is bible yet obviously a surveyor would do the final one and it would but it gives you the idea that l b one can work for a project like this it meets the requirements  think it does i think park is one of the issues we have talked about also the coordination with is going to be an issue and the other thing that's important on this and i know your your client your client is aware of the property owner is aware the paper street white street lights from through yeah we want to make sure that that's available to the community that's available to the town for biking we definitely show it that will be part of the up that will be part of the special permit process for us because we want to protect that we will make that available that and also mr carter manor when we you know if where approving can do this development will improve that segment that that spur of white street adjacent to his property improve it so that then it can be connected and you know i think everybody's envisioning future development on the car wash property and that there's a possible way to link this whole thing oh i think i think there absolutely is a enter into the square and i think it's smart for everybody is part of that and i think jeffrey would know more about this but you know the talk brothers thank you thank you here we've been we approved this in two thousand and thirteen karl and i said here it of group is two thousand and thirteen and we would have anything for a long time we had a hole in the ground and now we actually see a building we have boards and materials just great oh incidentally otto what's happening and i'll ask rachel and betsy this have you guys come to a final determination on the affordability part of this project come and talk to us for two seconds about this we're just going to ask this question because we can't do anything about this until that's the latest and co chair for the housing trust so i think you're referring to all of the outreach materials at the housing trust reviewed yeah so we have come to a final place i think there was one document that they submitted late that we haven't had a chance to just double check our initial proposed reversions that they were implemented so that's going to be able to come to kind as to work on that with them but it comes through steve pinkerton and then it comes here and we're the ones that so when we're done it all should go to you ok should go to spencer great ok ok hold on to the side of the building we would like to have them because we would like to have them in the community development office so that members of the town can go take a look at them up close and hold them in their hands ok kathy i invite you to come up here and sit down at the table because this affects you and you're part of the christian square community as a city where they can come up to you if they want to move closer to take a look at the material don't be shy don't be shocked don't be shy grab a seat you guys come up here we have a copy of this presentation did you have a copy of the presentation that we're going to have to build more for us afterwards present to that's from last summer that's  we'll basically be able to see a section of what the winslow would look like a section of what a section of what the we need to talking to me you can grab the microphone if you know why stop brothers that's correct it will be is that to be on site it's on site it's behind the winslow building and the public at certain times will be able to go and take a look at it it could be open to the public at a time i think  determined time i think that we really get is an act of construction site we cannot have it open all hours i think i think in terms of in terms of process and in term get yeah in point i like like off we couldn't we could agree to a time and day i will make sure the site is safe and accessible there's no construction activity going on and toll architects will be available to answer questions and you know for further discussion that would be great really so i think if we can set that time tonight if we want to so that determine that in the near future that would be very good helpful work and people would be able to come there to everybody will have a shot ok ok we will need to coordinate a little bit with construction activities and i was sort of envisioning doing it late in  the in the afternoon meaning we think there's something going on just after soccer right if there's something going on that that needs to get done that the contractors need to do they get that done particularly on a saturday you know say  o'clock open it to the public three to five i think what do you know whatever is really i mean that we're amenable i think and then the other advantage to doing that is you get more daylight if you did it  o'clock at night you get very little daylight and so that would be great if we can we can pick that time i would say probably not this weekend or next week and possibly next week and i like to make sure that everything's you know what point will we receive approve we will have once we do assuming everything is assuming everything we had this year we talk about this you'll have a walk through and we'll have a public hearing a public meeting on this and then the board will vote so it'll happen after that ok nobody has to see things we have to get their comments in a public hearing ok and then the board has to and you know making sure with the information you have what you need we get ok so let's in no particular order let's start with the winslow  and this is the drawing of the mock up so what you see in the mock up is part you know all the parts of the winslow put together so they don't always make sense in a sort of linear fashion as you would you'll see them on the building many you're going to see the upper stories with the lower stories compressed you'll see the roof line a window the window trim the sid that's the material that's kind of shown in great here again there's the nice thing about having the materials is you get the textures you get the actual colors you know the renderings are the best we can do on the computer  have the window sample which is the anderson sample in front of you that guy right there if you want to hold that up or should pass it around and say we have we have two colors we have the highland and then the winslow is th good good question on the winslow and parts of the promoter and the highland the lower the winslow is is real full dimensional breck the upper stories on the pomona and the highland are  thin brick which it's the same material it's brick it's attached through a series of backing boards and it grout and he serves the same way you grout it the same way you do regular brick it's just not a stick and yeah yeah it's right there's there's a there's a panel system the goes behind it that holds it in place i believe that there's a mastic that goes in and holds the brick to the panel and then you you mortar them the same way you would mortar a regular full dimensional brick and let's and then you have various parts and pieces of  the roof line in the trim which are basically just white and i think that's the the white metal on the far side they're closest to spencer right and then there is there is some p but but basically that the trim is either going to be a combination of metal in white or sort of either a matching p v c or a matching cement board depending on the location as you  the corniche that the roof where the roof line comes over is going to be metal and then up to that would be some combination of p v c endorsement board so those are those are the basic materials for the  the highland again similar brick let's let's remind everybody is our island is the highland is that is up on the yes the corner on the corner of common street so the highland again is similar brick same same brick dimensional in some locations thin brick and others similar trim we do have a different siding which we should have a sample of standard hardy materials again these are all standard you know construction materials there's nothing you know there's nothing unusual really about in any of these these pieces  similar roofing materials i think we had a tiny little sample somewhere on the roof and over there so i had a very small sample of of the grey roof window in could have a different trim package or different grill panel you know grill pattern basically the same andersen window in in white so those are there anderson finishes over there and then and then as i said earlier the brick the highland and that's the highland the god the promoter which is the face of the project on christian square correct correct so the pomona going to move this chair it's this is so you can and i think that's the sample over there from you see that correctly and a lighter metal which should be  and again all all of these you know the the the limestone real real life i mean the limestone some of the the mortar colors we've included as we as we have samples of them there are few mortar colors and caulk joint colors that we don't have the products finalized on but i think those are pretty secondary to the basic conversation here and we'll have those all those materials worked out in the mock up and then they're going to be great and as you can see i mean this is again you know fourteen feet tall the mock up i think in total is is about thirty feet long so i don't know if there's any dimensions on these but fourteen almost fifteen feet high and you get about six or eight feet of of each building so fourteen by twenty four dollars and then we do have we do have the store front for the retail spaces which you'll see you can see on site i don't think we have a finish of a sample of that actual finish here tonight i haven't seen it so that would be something that we could either send over with the drawings or we'll see it on  pretty effective at looking like a real shame or yeah right right now you know if you look at this rendering and this rendering the two really are are quite different colors here when you see it there it's sort of somewhere in between so again the renderings are have their limitations in terms of color rendering but that's the material if it gets installed like siding so what you see is you know the little piece of each you know as as might be a traditional shingle  but yes i just said that because that would is so different from the outright finish i didn't understand yeah and it's it's hard to see some of these things i mean they give you you know look i know world of difference to karl you know you know i think then at this point i think what would be useful is i'm going to just hold off on asking you for comments from the public at this point we're going to have these materials that q in the development take your time go take a look at them we'll take a look at the mock ups and then we will have a public hearing and we'll talk to them if you have any comment a couple mineral questions sure i'm dug up a precinct six so one question is what is the warranty on the materials i know that sometimes been an issue  other locations are sometimes been material problems sometimes insulation issues that came up you know how long many doctors well so that yeah that's is that's a good question you know each of the manufacturers is is a little different for instance andersen windows will have no problem with andersen windows you know we have a very good relationship with anderson brick manufacturers you know the brick the the there are i don't i don't know the warranties are for each material off the top of my head you know you do when you go to a system like hardy you probably get a twenty year warranty i could i could look into that and try to get you some more information on  low longevity of each of the materials that the great yeah there suggest that instead of getting the information we actually get pointed to a place which is being used i think that's a lot more informative and you yeah i mean if i can find look a i do i don't know where do you where you could go to see this brick i mean certainly belden brick is you know well known but you know with terms of finding that color of brick i if we can find it we were more than happy in terms take a little that's pretty you know if you look great fifty years if you can if you can help us you know let me let me see what we can do on the various materials i mean again i think it's it's you know going to the suppliers are pretty easy to go to glengarry brick and have the maintenance is well the maintenance of this building is yes accounted for in tolls planning of the project i mean we as a seventy million dollars p share that in terms of yes we have you know x number of dollars set aside for maintenance of of breath i look at you know at the commercial for like this all the time and there are there's things set aside within reason to well i guess the only thing i would i would say is why would you spend seventy or eighty million dollars on a building and not maintain it it doesn't make sense in any case thank you very much for your questions please come to community development take a look at the material for one last question before we heard about the close i believe that's the tentative date that's the i think that's the day i mean i think you'll be able to see it from the fence but that's going to be the day that we'll be able to go inside of what i have to will there be are you expecting that toll will need to or want to address any of those prior to the next public meeting i would think you might want to ok so we will hear from you present getting as we have the   then to for people to make comments questions and for you to answer those questions in the board will have some and then we will meet at the next expeditious time ok so our goal and everybody else is to get a great project that's when we were all on the same page laura and we're going to have all the stuff in music so what we'll do is i will take these i think will label them i just make a suggestion in terms of this this is just walking the process on this this is just designed guidelines and things we talked about in terms of suggestion everybody that you take a look at these and if you have a comment on them that you submit the comment to better and he will adjust them that being the case if there is no other business i don't believe there is that this point in time although the only other thing is the traffic think so you want to claim that the st two