jupiter the telescope there is absolutely awe inspiring and this is there have been several occasions where it's been rather a moving experience and even without a telescope this to have the kids for miles we used to and when if the decision was me to install the decorative street lanes in the historic district i did my best to argue against them and i mean  computer the project the ceiling tiles the electric lights everything we have because of technology we have technology because of science and we have science all over the world all throughout history civilizations and cultures profoundly influenced by what they saw on the night sky and i just feel that if we lose that and a little i don't know the exact percentage or something like seventy percent of all children with zoos will never see the milky way if we knew that it would be as if we as americans lost the declaration of independence or we in western civilization lost the head karn i mean these are the fundamentals of our whole civilization our health exposure to light ignite distrust the circadian rhythms that regulate our sleep cycles keep on working at night your bright lights or living in cities face a higher risk of developing diseases such as breast and prostate cancer up to the sky with ones that direct way down exactly where we want their hard fully shielded fixtures we also eliminate only the places that need it and of course i would say yes to that person were sitting right here you probably couldn't see the next thing you find the person in that picture now when you watch this see how long it takes for you to see the signs the roadsides there in the key but the wrong curves to the left you we see here own there i is making progress because as you saw in that little clip we have examples of good and bad lighting raising location i feel like the best lighting in town thousand and twelve and initially it was property that was owned by him at county and in two thousand and twelve the state also took action to designate another twenty three area look at this that the mackinaw city on the right of the slide the red areas are the dark sky part the entire area the twenty three thousand acres plus the dark park the shoreline is and you can have groups up there does book of long way in advance in addition to that they have a lot of trails that are available for people to walk on during the day and in the evenings and these  highlighted in their trails program at their completing construction of a waterside facility that also contains a telescope this is going to you can see some pretty astonishing pictures but this is a milky way over the headless park at one point in time there's about a quarter mile stretch of shoreline that people can go and observe the skies with in this area it's near the new visitor center in addition they have programs in the evening for trivia and you can get swag there from headland they also celebrate as the winner of the summer solstice with a yoga event on the shoreline the  mary stuart adams led the initiative to get the international designation for the headless property and she serves as the parks program director in addition you can hear mary each week on the interlochen public radio part of the public radio system in the storytellers night sky and through the summer months she also hopes the hosts cruises with a shepler scary service to catch meteor showers planetary conjunctions and full moon rising over lake huron while sunsets on lake michigan with the mackinaw bridge in the background so it's a it's a neat experience and encourage people to go up and see that this is a  nother shot of the milky way were over the headlines captured by a person named john hill who also provides photographic training programs up there during the summer and they have this candle li walkway and as part of the headless challenge in october of every year it's a great place to visit the people i've talked to that have been there have been really excited about it and it's a neat experience we encourage you to take time and try to visit but now our next speaker is going to be chris cook chris is owner and present a fairly painless advertising and has been interested in exploring the and how in the challenge of why didn't use and its impact on our environment his emphasis is on being sure that the lights are not on when we do not need them selves chris to come up and i'll the hall herrick library library is beautifully lighted parking lot is beautiful lighted college park in the distance is the decline of the street is nice and bright good luck seeing the milky way and that environment you know the funny thing about dark skies when we talk about this light going down that to some degree does provide a darker side but that's only really good for the birds than flying above that lighting for me a little five foot six but that's again when i'm walking around town hey we're again i go back to the first slide every hour every night three hundred sixty five nights a year herman miller design yard effective all the i'm sure companies could do that and then if somebody walks on there the lights come on and then boom all the attention focuses on that i don't want to sacrifice safety but it isn't a thing that that studies and this initial presentation was quite a bit of quite a few studies in there and there was no correlation between the disappearance of life in situations like this with an increase in crime absolutely none whatsoever zero nationwide holland high school oh yeah there's the campus itself i mean i guess i'm just wondering if nothing else isn't it incumbent upon churches if they're actually the words of the environment and we were charged with protecting god's creation but we have some responsibility to try to be sensitive hopeful about i mean we do our next speaker as steve brines my steve is with b b w and steve has responsibility for our street lighting program he is the person that evaluated where we were going to change to programers steep how they need to be turned on and off and so forth the city or the county or the state can make those decisions were simply the organization or contractor if you will that maintains those fixtures and obviously them being in the road right away  we supply the electricity and the billing and take care of that and so forth a number of years back there was some movement toward l e d we weren't the first on the block to start migrating  towards installing o d s but we were keeping our eyes open paying attention with conversations with the city county in state people deciding what we need to do when we want to do it and who's going to pay for it within the city the city was one of the first to doctors of the street lights there was a trial that was done on thirty second street from old orchard road all the way to  the east side to productions cortical that was done in there was approximately just shy of one hundred fixtures that were put there those were evaluated for a number of months different representatives different  people within the city limits evaluated that in it was unanimously a good pilot there were a few people that didn't like them they were too bright bright enough there were lots of different opinions with anything you're always going to get a number of different opinions but it ended in most cases we were able to fix adjust as i was hearing earlier in a few cases where it might have shined into their windows so we made some adjustments made to move the fixture more appropriate but with l e d s in particular d's are very projection type fixtures they don't just blast the light out l e d s focus on a certain area and sometimes there's unintended areas like somebody from picture window or a bedroom window or the front of their house or or whatever but the big difference with l e d s versus the old fixtures is the l e d s project the light down to the desired area and there's very little light there is some reflection that comes off from whatever surface there is the brighter the surface that they're headed with more reflection that there is going to be on that up light but compared to the old fixtures  there's there's less up like there are some pictures that do a better job than others but this was all evaluated by at first by the city and if the team that we picked the best fixture the for the project some time later after that was adopted we figured out a few more issues that needed to be dealt with and we replaced many other fixtures within the city limits at first at this point we're now into the townships where the b t w has service territory and we're starting to change of some of those folks just want to make this point i don't know where it came from but w replacing now somebody is like no i don't believe that because i think they're bright to some extent you might be right because the l e d s project the light in the specific area so there's less waste of it going out into the unintended areas so if if a fixture that we take out is got twenty thousand lumens and we put it in a fixture that's go but sometimes just on that area millions on the end of someone's driveway or their mailbox or not on their mailbox sometimes it can be brighter are not bright enough believe it or not in this is this is not scientific but many of the complaints when we put the l e d's in is now i can't snowball my driveway i because i don't have enough li i consider that a success is because the v w was never intended to light somebodies driveway front yard or anything else the idea is to to to light the traffic area it's the b b w doesn't do to my knowledge doesn't do any architectural lighting now one other thing that i just wanted to make sure that there are many different lighting systems around if you go into the historic district many people here i'm sure know where the historic district is but over the decorative lighting in that area is not owned by the d p w or the city is owned by the historic  the power to always say to live it he or even turn him off the they're not they're not owned by us we strictly maintain them that is it the historic district writ in the safe play downtown so and how this all gets divided up with the city i'm not quite sure but we send out the bills in the city takes care of that but there are all these different districts the there is efficiency can we can we make this slight pay for itself we don't want to put up a fixture that's going to cost us more for capital versus the return on investment so we're always looking for a lesser cost fixture that's going to last there are a number of locations that we put our replacement fixtures up where we would have said ok we need one hundred watts of l e d or we need ten thousand lumens and we might drop that lumen level down to fifty or sixty thousand in the case of i heard this earlier the links golf course out on the south side of town those fixtures should have had approximately to replace with like about one hundred watts of l e d we put in forty watt fixed so we drop the lumen value down to about forty percent of what we were before but that's a private development that's not owned by the cit not they're not paid for by the city they're paid by by the association that owns owns the streets in that area so sometimes there's some small streets that are actually not city streets or so she ations so that has to be also taken into account i don't live in the b p w area i have another utility in my area and also other street lights the street lights aren't my favor occasionally they cause me difficulty or maybe i want to offer for a specific reason but many times when it is burned out then i have people over and it be like and it's dark out here so there's pros and cons so i'm not go argue you know everybody's got their own likes and dislikes and i i could hear different comments going on within the within the audience here that's why there are some high pressure so it's still in place and stream city to cut those down so those are well above twenty thousand lumen and we're working on installing ten to eleven thousand women in their place we're we're running some different trials down in a street i don't know if there's any merchants in here but in between the doctrine of whites that are stall whites that are that are so in that those that are the orange light those fixtures without very answering those can anybody tell me what the wattage of those fish anybody have an idea about all that that that would be extreme those are four hundred probably being the lowest on the on the scale but then there are some l e d s this was a few months ago i purchased new the lower deuce for under the microwave those little balls burn out all the time little forty watt all so there's eighty watts going in there all the time i thought and l e d great picked it out i was looking on there and it's so easy to click on the amazon quick buy button and boom there at the door two days later turned out to be six thousand k that was a little little blue if i was looking at my legs on your that were never on on the range so i like to to lower those down to purchase another set of four thousand it was so nice crisp white like it is it does have a higher bit of the the emmys got an article out there the department of energy's also got another article there's many you do perceive is brighter when you're sitting by a campfire there's a lot of lumens coming off from a campfire but when you're trying to read a book by campfire it's  uminum value with a lot of we were looking at all parts parts of the fixture when we purchased these fixtures and it's not on the highest side but it's not on the lowest side  reluctant to go with the fixture the best job is the was talking about they have a bad coloring or an index and what that is the ability to differentiate colors when i was in college i was at a grocery store that had those type of light and i got into the wrong car airport i don't really need to see what's going on there so be conscious of where your life are and where they are point the next one is a gas station with over led lighting the be good it's going to burn out your reps and the one on the right is this the morgue even nice lighting job now what's interesting about the human  that it does not like contrast so if you think i'm going to put as much light into this whatever you're doing and i'm just going to light it up that's all i can be beneficial to you if you are right there and you know you're over let you g but if you're back from this and you're looking at that highly bright area you know you can't see anything around it it's going to be pitch black to you and that's what's nice about the elysees it's a little more of an even distributed lighting that minimizes the contrast so you can start seeing the darker areas which is helpful especially in your drive and you know you don't get blinded by a light it's now more even slower you can see those darker areas so bright is only as you need you don't need the three hundred watt light bulb for a family farm a home to light up your front porch and only light it when you need it i work with mostly businesses and churches and industrial places so this is a study that we did with horses diversity around legally and in their backyard it was already already but it was on i north america that offers rebates for dark sky can plant li you go to the dark sky website and they will have a listing of approved fixtures they might be a little hard to get in town you might have to order online or get a contractor but we definitely want to encourage people to get those pictures and start moving  light and glare then the elimination in your society games as dark skies now those pictures aren't necessarily nurse i whine but what i have found out is that different manufacturers have their diagnose and present to city leaders gregg is a partner with the firm sustainable financing l l c their firm hold helps to our commercial companies again financing for energy products through grants and  water conservation transportation so stanley really trying to help the city focus on those involved development talking about dark sky initiative and yeah so yeah i think you that so that was given a big deal for us i kind of joined on the committee well after this was created really i joined the committee as we were pushing so a lot of times we get together we're talking about things and we do have people come and talk to us like chris like people from other organizations and sharing lots of good ideas i'm working on all kinds of other groups around other cities  but we rarely get an opportunity to really reach out to the public and find out what are you going on and so that's what we're here to do that and so i think that's the five big i have two questions that we're going to throw out to the audience and just initially did is we did reach out we went to the townships we had meetings we gain input from residents in those areas what we found was there was not a whole lot of interest on the part of township supervisors to engage in some of the issues we had we  will continue to do that and through the institute the institute is charged not only with the city of holland as its partners the city of holland and b b w but also we are reaching out to other places and trying to do that through other sustainability groups including grand valley and how they are so you know you will see i think if we can develop models within the city we can th know i think that is i think one of the things that they're challenged with right now and they're they're just exploring and starting out this process you need on a smaller group to get that input then that big group information wife yes it would be good but i you can't get much feedback at those kind of sessions but i think in an understanding and where you'll see this coming up in a while we have the  to the sentinel we'll have an article coming up in a fairly near future on this and hopefully we can encourage more people and this isn't the only time the sus carrier can go out and do that there's other opportunities and we're trying to be tapping into those in i think what's going to happen is it's going to be an educational process first with city council and then it will turn into more of a movement kind of activity question you know i wonder if there's even a resource with a good provider metrics and is remarkable of course the first thing you have to do is is educate her sense where you are to know you know where you want to go right you have to have it pays fine and that's what they do and then you know interesting thing is a lot of in or near home or business such as or anyone in here who has a concern about light from a neighbor that is intruding into your home or in your business put your hand way up in the air i've been dealing with kids all time i think about that when i think about churches right how many people are in the church from two o'clock in the morning to six in the morning and then motion sensors with a b maybe better  burger we're going to move to the next up presentation here was mentioned earlier if any of you are familiar with twisting to sixty on is our sister companies so back in two thousand and nine week trysting created a smart wireless lighting control system and since then we have been selling it on the brand name of trust h t m so this is a this is a slide about all the market share we've been talking a lot about early to fix yours i know some people like them some some don't  parks throughout the city of holland so in addition to that we have lots of other great customers one of them is our nation's capital washington d c which is where we have installed library into twenty five of their parking garages so they've definitely been a leader in the smart city is and in sustainability and energy efficiency so hopefully the city of holland can follow them in that so here are the four different markets that limelight service and we started back in two thousand and nine with a focus on parking grads is so there is forty thousand perking grads is in the united states and most of them especially back in two thousand and nine  are trying to find a solution to that problem and then from there we saw that we could deploy our system into three other markets sidelining which is where we've partnered with the city of holland for the city consumption and energy savings mean in savings and what i believe is the most important safety so when that our system was created with safety as a very high priority so motion sensors have been brought up a couple times tonight and that's really one of the strong suits of wine like so line like most of you are familiar with the motion sensors that you have either and bathrooms or in your backyard so right when you walk up to them they are triggered and they turn on and it's just kind of like a one by one you put one motion sensor on each picture right so the way the line light works is it's used more for larger facilities like parking lots and parking garages so the way that it works is that lighting fixtures when they happen trolls invited into them they can communicate with each other so rather than walking into a parking garage or parking lot in one picture turns on the new walk a few more steps and another picture is on and you walk a few steps looking into the dark break in the way that it works is they can all communicate to each other so the minute you walk out of your car and you're in the parking lot one lighting fixture will sense that you're there using its occupancy sensor or you know the facility where the lighting is all the pictures well dim down back to your original state so you can set the program to figure you can set the lighting fixtures to be completely turned off if that's what you want you can set them to be at a ten percent lighting level twenty five percent basically it can be programmed to your desires so another part of safety that limelight supports is the failure detection communicated via e mail so they'll it'll tell them that they need to replace the fixture and then you can also log on line and see which pictures need to have need to be replace so this is kind of it gets pretty technical use this of a lot so a control is added to the lighting make sure it community everything's there what we call the gateway so the gateway is stored in your utility closet it communicates all the schedules and all the programming and all of that through the gateway so that you can go back in the comfort of your own or your office you can log on line the office manager the facility manager can log on line and control everything from their computer or their mobile phone and then you can also see from there which pictures made your placing so i know that was one thing i was very intriguing to the city of holland they really like to they could control everything from th there are from their mobile devices another thing that i think that they really liked was the scheduling on the vents so for example in the city parks when we have the fireworks or maybe a movie in the park or a picnic or something like that  you can create specific events so that the lines will stay on during that event so that we're on that sitting in the dark so basically i mean this is a very complex lighting system but it was created by our our sales team but it's more of so as a system right so it's like based on how many pictures they have and the company is kind of like tailored to the customer so it's a little bit difficult to it's not like twenty dollars or and at this time we're going to go to our last speaker and carolyn is a member of the sustainability committee also she's interested in promoting the dark sky and  is a building committee why don't why doesn't the city of holland the sierra become one of those areas you know that such a great nation countrywide it's actually i think in every single cause now i believe that you can practice  in antartica at some labs observatory area and why don't we become a part of the scene art community so earth hour this year we would love for you to participate it is saturday march twenty fifth and it's one hour so it's only one hour of your time but i would encourage you to maybe even maybe a few hours after that the better but it's one hour from eight thirty to nine thirty p m on saturday march twenty fifth and we have coined this kind of as a take the pledge events you can go online to take the pledge filling out just a really simple form of your name in your e mail their suppliers in the back by michelle around the table on your way out you can grab one to get some more information on that it's really simple we also love you to take the pledge for the reason that it also is a wave for us saying contact with you it's a ways out we still have like a month and a half so it's always good to have to be able to e mail you saying hey it's one week away get ready that maybe you can sit with your family by the fireplace or by a candle and it's a way to reflect on our you know our responsibility to our climate but also to all the other environmental issues that you care about so it's kind of symbolic but it's also a way to save energy also during that day if you want something to do you can calm sue hope college at three o'clock for a showing the documentary the city dark it's one of my favorites and this will talk about late fruition and the whole idea of our connection to the night sky and what we would lose if we lose that completely there's lots going on that day and please take the pledge to change your energies for that one hour you can get some flyers in the back and if you would prefer not to sign up on line i have a form here that you can procure name and email and i'll do it for you have a great night everyone and i don't know because