site plans site diagrams follower day we're going to tape up on the easels so we need two groups to pin up first tape up first forward so we can hear your great compelling ideas i saw them i saw you at work we might be hiring some of you soon got some good brains in this ok who's going first that group is really there a cohesive collaborative group over there on the  corner volunteer in to speak on behalf of my my group i would say that we liked the scheme we applauded the idea of the drive lane along the tracks we felt that utilizing the we hope underpass but as tree an underpass at the tracks was a great idea but we had some concerns we liked the relation to the pond and we liked the south facing we liked the opportunity for some light between the bars but we had some concerns about and we liked the multi use multi multi seasonal field usage but we had some concerns i would say about vehicular access and circulation in general and some of those were biking to school the bike lane coming down concord kind of goes this way there's not really a great opportunity to cross the street and of course students aren't particularly inclined to ride all the way over to here so taking into account bike access to the site we were concerned about the size and quantity of drop off pick up especially in conjunction with buses we talked about the perhaps need to stagger the lower school and upper school and in general we felt like we needed to incentiv driving whether that was creating a fee for student parking or you know just reducing the daily  needs to have people parents drive their students singularly understanding that between injury and schlepping stuff there are times when you need to get taken to the school but how you manage a more daily one student at a time per car thing i think those worse that we also talked about maybe some satellite buildings and structures making use of some of the sports areas in between but i would say our primary issue was the vehicular circulation and concern about this as an intersection and how to manage that well in light of the heavy traffic use of concord have  was the orientation of the building on the site i think we liked and so we just talked about this so you have to  so we chose the same the same drawing as the previous one so a couple notes for this we do like the the miniature traffic loop here and agree wholeheartedly with the other traffic issues comments from parents about concern about their seventh graders spending too much time maybe with high schoolers and at the same time of the with a lot of positive you know things are said about the benefits of it so anyway we went back and same very close to the one that was previously they both have what i think is very important the phasing aspect of this that we're going to keep the existing school operating how long is the extraction period going to be two years three years so that that can be functioning this can be built second important issue is with saving the pool and saving the fieldhouse which are not reimbursed by m s p a but let's not close our mind on that because if that becomes very expensive and they've by just plain demolishing them and building the pool fieldhouse someplace else if there's enough saving in doing it that way it may make it may be may be foolish to try to save them but as far as we know right now let's try to save i'm concerned that the decision on these high school is like the dog getting whacked by the tail and the tail is the traffic there's a traffic problem there's no question is a traffic problem if we go to  seven the twelve is going to be in exacerbated traffic problem and we're going to have to do well but there are solutions and we could take a little conservation land which is a compromise and have a different drop off here the biggest thing we could do which has been recommended for a long time and i understand as part of the community path now is we put the tunnel on the the railroad tracks we have i was on the capital project on the old review committee ten years ago and we came up with and the superintendent of schools at that time name was holland knew we were going to call the holland tunnel so it's ok it's been around for a long time and just look at the population back here these people can walk all we can have a drop off area over this so that but let's not get hung up on the traffic but let's take a look at where the school goes best firstly we like the phasing next and we like saving the pool in the field house next we like the separation between the upper and lower and the common pool in the field house being in in the middle so this was our favorite but yeah the one which was the previous one which had to too long been very much of it and of the same advantages  unnel as well one of the things we heard in i agree is they have the bigger space separate you know if you could have a school no no no it's not during operation hours but something going on in this section in avenue a sporting event or orchestra or band or whatever may in this area or use of the pool so that you know whether it's maybe you're renting it out or anything of that nature you could use it in that table we took a slightly we took a different view about the traffic situation we feel that there are steps that can be taken to make the walking and biking to the school advantageously and to cut down on the number of parking spaces that we have today and also to deal with the question of the crossing of cod avenue with full traffic lights and so forth to allow pedestrians to make that crossing like the solution we liked the fact that we have the classroom buildings close to the pond and with large windows looking out of the pond we'd like that but in terms of the access we felt that it's important if cars were going to make this turn that the  tunnel should be in an area beyond where the traffic is and i'd mention the fact the fees at the bottom of what you do in the bottom of gotten there ought to be thought given to how we're going to achieve the access problems down here in terms of being close to the plate that pond in the past has been flooding in that area and there's also a wetland edge of long that area and we just wanted to raise the caution that those problems are being addressed and dealt with and we also made the point that the fields audibly not be on the east west orientation in terms of the sun they should be taking that into account so that the point entrances so we made for by keeping the one that is currently here but making instead of having the barrier on conquered have to take down that barrier and make it alight in that people could turn left or right from the exit and entrance and then this is currently an entrance but this is so to keep that an entrance and allow traffic flow all the way around there because we feel like in general the more exits and entrances that both for coming and going that that will help with all of the overall chopping pattern so this one we thought was very similar that we liked that views on to the ponds and things from here again that we would add more entrances for the traffic and to have the tunnel come through here this has better field orientations for sports but that overall we felt that it was similar to this mom but we like this one a little bit more question why did you or the other groups not pick the new construction scheme to mark up was just to keep the pool hall i see there's seemed to be complicated and nobody really knew exactly how much it would cost of what would happen except that it would be cumbersome that was about the only thing we could talk about so i think it was difficult to know whether saving the school is a good idea or not i do know that tearing down a building and then rebuilding it is certainly not sustainable so we should think about that but we all agree that the entrance exit on go to the street would be a disaster the golden street is very crowded with traffic every morning and every afternoon sometimes it's filled from concord avenue all the way up to school street and so having any detail about how they should be parking on the site except that we all agreed that the less packing in the better the more walking to school the better and we felt disappointed that there has been no attention given to having people walk to school as usual there was all kinds of attention given to driving around but no attention has been given to having people walk and so we feel that that is a loss and really needs to be corrected before  we go any further they need to be a lot of bike racks the community of course would be of very good and people agree that having kids dropped off here would be very helpful and there was some discussion about the people in the neighborhood not liking it asked them how many people sat outside the wellington school at noon time and which schools street is loaded with gas we all agree that every part of the community has to take up a little bit of the slack with this  is and parking and everybody has to take a little so having a drop off here would be very helpful also said that we could have more opportunity create better opportunities to drop the kids off street and have them walk in and really discourage people from every day driving around so they can drop the children off at the front door except if the children have a broken leg or you know some other kind of difficulty but anyway our emphasis really was on pedestrian access and less driving please come january eleventh to the traffic meeting so we did talk to police and in fire and so forth about safe pass for bicyclists and walking kids walking to school and some of those around this when i'm of the same ilk with ann and champion of walking and biking to school and i know that people won't walk or bike if the building is not close to the road so i think positively favoring this design because it's close to the road i think one of things we don't see in the in these maps is thinking of our building as connected to the other  town buildings down here and i know there's been talk about utilization of the library and that being you know how could we think of that as more connected to the high school the closer it is the more connected it is and bringing that closer to  is a real benefit there and many people steer clear of this because it didn't have the field house but because of other designs you had shown where the field house wasn't taken down you know i knew there's still potential to have that there i think this is a really smart design with all these fields back here in relationship to the going to whole view that we've been talking about with the site and drainage in that circular process and keeping the parking as a buffer to this noisiest utilize the wasted energy from the skating rink and having you know looking at these two blocks that they had carved out and intice a painting that when the rink was shovel ready that those two spaces really could swap and that we might get the energy benefits that you had seen in your other design ready to go into this high school design which would be a huge energy savings as i understand it  knowledge isn't as extensive as there is but that was a really standout design but and then related to the traffic when you have a parking area here those folks are coming that stops you still have this traffic coming in here and the points that we know but the other aspect that i would say people could utilize is concord have which each lane is twenty eight feet wide which is wider than most of the roads that we live on so you can imagine you have a full parking lane the bicycle lane very wide traveling now and i think it's reasonable to start thinking about like and said drop off space on these are students who are capable of crossing the road with with good infrastructure that i think parents would feel comfortable and route to work pulling over letting off that kind of thing in designing that well and just preventing this whole business of turning into the to the school zone it's just really just silly so those are my contributions on that one i think there are a lot of good points  k i'll start will your hang up most of our comments are sort of a mishmash of what has already been presented so i'm not going to go into those the one odd one out is we liked sort of the overall layout of this with the fields where the school's position but the skating rink sort of seems like a road block there so we had talked about can we move it over  and that was really the main difference beyond although of the access issues that were previously discussed so in terms of the skating rink we know that it's taken into consideration under another project but we are looking at those ideas because we place the fields on the west of harrah's fear to think about configur right but it's an ongoing one so brooke you have enough of homework to take back yes thank you for giving us more aware i have to i'm just so impressed with the amount of energy and effort that went into night by you folks i think personally i'm touched that you came out tonight and you expressed your thoughts of the building committee feels the same way brooks got homework for sure january sixteenth i'm looking forward to seeing  some more development of these options with some of that layered in january eleventh i'm looking forward to a discussion on traffic brooke just showed me on her phone she got traffic comments from the traffic consultant i  i want to say one more thing this is the p d p it was submitted and this is the hard copy we will have it on the web site probably within it and it's a lot of information it's a lot of hard available online when we could get it loaded and wrapping up thank you again and i look forward to seeing you guys next year