any event we don't think that's the determining factor we think what the jordan compels is once you have the guardianship created with birth parent consent that both believe pounds for the superior right birth parent going to conditional on the current state governor and i think there's good reason for that because the children to that what's important is that they have two parties functioning with a parental shared parental role and making decisions in their are two parents who don't want or wish to live with one another and there he filled out the best interest of the children and the courts are very very experienced in doing your custody arrangements and other things which continue the rights of someone who  this was a rather easy case you have a situation where you have a biological parent who has two children and she had a relationship with another person that person called guardianship the parties at the time and finding of my petition to terminate the guardianship had been separated for nine months when biological mother moved out of the residence with the current guardian she took her children with her there was no fin role as watching the children while she did work it wasn't until the time of the filing of the motion for reconsideration and trial level that the biological mother made the determination to cease all contact happen whenever the tens of clients come into my office to discuss the differences between guardianship and he and those the differences between them i always tell them the guardianship is  guardianship it was us about adoption the biological mother was in no way ever read to allow kathy to adopt these children that was and it is clear it is part of the this and it's in her report was to access medical care or take the child and the cat would have legal rights to continue to hear it if something were to happen to d m that was the whole purpose their koch guardianship of the first appeals with the second child she was given the guardianship of these stay and person and letters were issued so these are similar situation i think that was the primary own has in his mind was that you have a biological parent who is separated from this person by the parents rights to determine who's going to be around this person is the superior right and into effect in jena right i think the legislature is actually recognized because you see this lovely marriage the appearance you know who are being put in the position of having to raise their grandchildren and they're coming in with regards to got issues of guardianship in custody and the parent gets their act together and they come in to in a completely certain different circumstance with we've had a grandparent raising children and then the parent comes in and they got not the drugs or they've got their life together and they want their child back so i think the legislature recognize that and that's why they came out with a new guidelines with regards to revocation of letters in guardianship case but in this case i think garbage when i had my children i was fortunate enough to have a situation where i had a caregiver come into the house and take care of the kids while i was  she spent a lot more with time with my children than i did now that my children are in school the teachers certainly spent more time with my children the idea that i never advocated my rights here and even though my kids care about the the cold guardianship with the intent of only giving them access to medical care and in the event that i died that that person would see take care of the child that was the limit of my client's leave as to what would happen never a couple of days a week when my client was at work that does not mean that she knew a shape or form acted as mom was the mother and or that he and gave that any of her rights to me criminal decisions for these two children young children that we're talking about onset they call all sorts of people different if if we're going to get into the above the fast there's a dispute all you have to decide is what is the procedural steps necessary to revoke a guardianship that was