all part of the problem he was having is when he was trying to place the ruler at the bottom of her being a wooden ruler without help he couldn't get it stand up straight so we had to lean it against the back of it so to speak and the other problem he was having was there was debris in such at the bus adam there so he wasn't really able to get it to the very bottom so when it was being depicted in the pictures there's a bit of a question we're with bit round it is in the pictures the measurement really ends off and i can i can look at these and say i think it's reasonable thing to say that is it's very it's very demented us is because of the pain issue where is not being able to see at night because the lighting his work i don't think that that's the subject of expertness i think that par she was on the way home from work i don't know that the oil painting was real clear whether it was a residential area that i had i would submit or her really there would be a difference between main street st charles and this year he or she said yes well it's not so much commercially as it as it is high value which would lend itself to a commercial site like it even if this time of year a lot of residential areas are high value right that's for the jury to resolve that's what we know that there was also ever it is a degrading circumstances for lighting conditions heavy foot traffic in the area surrounding the sidewalk where the plaintiff fell these are all for the jury was noticeable for i think he said ten years and that village personnel were often out there taking a look we don't have any of those history of those fakes whose facts are completely different absolutely that neighbor from painting something than it is that we don't know what that is we just know that is in the picture with high ceiling sitting room usually project either but i'm very nervous so i apologize to the one thing i think about cook thing i noticed is that there was a dispute about the size of the defect in there that the pla s argued that it was in excess of two inches and the defendant said it was less than two inches it was an edge and my point here is that there even if there was an argument in terms of what the discrepancy was of the high variance that the court expansion joint which was there between the sidewalk slabs and he was pushing it all the way down into the bottom so that therefore he wasn't measuring the height variation from the surface of the lower slab to the surface of the heights and measurements were with respect to where mr cossey actually found the only time you can really gauge that is when you can see the red bricks that are surrounding felt like coal that is right there that tells you exactly where she fall into very they or their heel or their foot doesn't go into a hole or say that makes this case somewhat different doesn't know well there were two cases that we  talking about it in a condition in terms of it's still the expansion joints and it's something that she would stop think that people would be stepping on normally if they were just walking across and as i said she says that she's lived she slipped down and in this expansion joint or in this joint is obviously there for focus and if most of it is now on the bottom of this little opening then it's not serving its purpose and it's not designed to last forever isn't that some indication of an aggravating circumstance that knowing it won't last forever that there should be some sort of inspection on a regular basis and that if there had been an hour now that little red mark made it may not have some relevance if somebody from the city did his faction and noted that isn't that something that we should take into cock itself but it's not likely because it does him i think now without being stepped on it usually has about a fifteen year it probably is you know expectancy maybe it's less but women's heels are a little different than  talk about how this is a somewhat unique situation we met using the grief that the hero felt led to this difference this deviation between the two in the expansionary between the two slabs and she fell forward and that's why we sided both verite and marcos this court's decision marcos as being the same type of situation where the shooter basically fell into  bridge you notice that the gap the expansion gap sometimes is four or five inches you could actually put your foot through the hole through an expansion around a bridge expansion joint trip though the reason why i was little bit big but if there are ten feet or fifteen feet maybe they're normal maybe that's the minimum so maybe they should have designed it properly because the slab shouldn't be such that people are going to have their heels falling to them but i'm just