hello ladies and gentlemen and welcome back to points in the paint today show is going to be an interesting one we're going to cover a lot of sports like always running and that's the n b a a little college hoops some college football not too much n f l to talk about so you're not go hear too much of that from us this week you will next week though we're going to start off today with the n b a and a little more specifically the boston celtics team still off to a great start but they did drop their first game of the season this past sunday  ninety two final game they fell behind by a ton early on they came back and made a close still though they camp a little bit short we're going to start with your overall thoughts of the game does this change your perception of the celtics team at all in any way well if it does change our perception at all if it's in a good way i mean like because obviously teams lose games in the playoffs i mean scuse me during the regular season it's a really long season and no one's going to go eighty two i know not even the greatest team of all time the chicago bulls back when they had jordan and all of them went eighty two an hour and even close to that so the fact that the fact that they lost this game and you only way that they lost was because of the you know they had all those things going against them and no one was well except for maybe rich on rondo but brennan is going to talk about that and it was just like and we still it was a two point game the final score was like one zero four one zero two and it was just you know we had a chance to make a last shot which is impressive considering how badly we played and garnett still had a double double so i agree in the sense that if you really expect me seen to go in eighty two eighty two and you're a little out your mind i mean it was obvious they're in a lose games and i don't really think it's a bad thing the first loss coming of course right now the number two team in east orlando magic there nyunt two i mean this is a very good team it's not like they went out and dropped a game to you know some cellar dweller in the east so it's not a bad loss it was also at orlando they showed a ton of heart in the second half and it's pretty encouraging to see this team fighting in the end when you had kevin garnett possibly playing his worst game the season when you had ray allen just throwing up more bricks that house could hold i mean pierce played a pretty solid game rondo played a very nice game but even some of the bench players they struggle a little bit but you still saw this team fighting and not giving up you had guys like eddie house coming in the game and making nice impacts and it was pretty encouraging to see that you know they probably played their worst game the season they lost by two points on the road to the number two team the eastern conference you know i don't think it's a bad thing this season is going to have a lot of bumps just like every team will have it's not bad to see this early on and hey maybe if this team needed a little wake up call it from thing then you know what they got it not worried at all i still think this team's in great shape and it's not a bad loss at all the early no magic are going to be a very good team this year and we came back on the road i mean which is huge well obviously there were some encouraging things any time you come back from twenty on the road is impressive that the same time i saw a lot of discouraging things from this game first of all there's a two point game as it was also another thing i know as the basketball i q on this team the celtics have been able to pass well they've made some good decisions but it was it was revealed that you know there's still a long way to go in terms of learning doc rivers systems and you know getting that far allen i saw way too many turnovers also missed a huge lead near the end of the game even paul pierce who you know i've seen is a pretty smart player didn't make as many good decisions as we you probably should have most notably at the end of the game has the ball trying to get a good shot there only about down by to about eight seconds left pierce you know takes shots on the three point line with about four five seconds left there only down by two at that point you don't need a three pointer definitely a guy like that at all definitely should try to get that out got him way more high percentage shot than he did  and two things that you know over the past year games have have you know made me scratch my head a little bit is one is it's become apparent that and i'm not one hundred percent sure why are you saying yeah you know leon i mean he showed a lot of signs last year you know he was the star by a mile you know the summer league and all that i mean we've seen glen davis where is the on  also you know we had over the stretch when eddie house missed a little bit of action we had tony allen on that point and my question is where is gay pruitt i mean you take this guy early in the second round and you have to have a little confidence and a little trust in him because you know eddie house isn't going to be on this team much longer you're going to need a backup for rondo and you're going to be a guy who who's shown that you have a little faith and a little bit what a nice to see prude in there when you're already a little bit shorthanded but moves that were not made yeah i don't i don't i don't scalabrine like i don't understand why we use him like it was one thing last year when we when we had real personnel issues but this year it's like we have an abundance i don't understand like people keep saying well you know it's a good moral thing for the team milosevic will know i mean we have better talent and younger talent younger we should be using it going back to the whole point guard situation i think they have nothing to lose by putting pruitt in the fact is tony allen is not getting the job done a point guard when he's in the game but he's not a good point guard to see why isn't it isn't there i feel ever since he had the knee injury during last year he you know durant when he missed that layup i mean easy shot to make but the fact is he didn't elevate off the ground doesn't have the same speed doesn't have the basket like you to make up for a lack of speed i mean tony allen should not be getting nearly the amount and it's getting it almost looks like right now tony allen is trying to do a little bit more than his physical capabilities will allow him to do but still though even when he's healthy i don't like him running point even more when he has more health he's just not a point guard you know maybe he can do it oklahoma state college he can't do it right now though but again this team is young you know we've talked about how ohno we're trading the youth but but if you want to keep the youth fresh and strong on this team that you know what you need to work in some of those guys are guys going to switch gears a little bit college football where nearing championship week that would be next week then of course we have a little hiatus before the bowls but for monster games this week and we're going to go into detail about each of them we're going to start guys in the pac ten on a thursday night game after we've eaten all that delicious thanksgiving food and that of course is arizona state against us see i think i speak for both of my co hosts here when i say that oregon without dennis dixon is just going to keep falling and falling in the standings they already have to pack a lot of those leaf at quarterback they do have a leaf so i mean really you're looking at southern cal in arizona state this is for a trip to the rose bowl in the pac ten title who you like this game why do you like score prediction anything you want i definitely like arizona state mainly because i want arizona state to win so badly if u s c still ends up you know winning the pac ten this year after all of that it's just going to be incredibly disappointing because i'm just tired of u s c i you know i'm sorry if anyone's watching the show that likes u s c but i actually don't like them at all and i just i feel like also arizona state is a more well rounded football team this year and they they have a lot of confidence no matter what the situation is if they're down on the road late in the game it doesn't matter this arizona state team has proven to themselves that they can get back and dennis erickson is definitely a leader for them and i really in the game yeah i absolutely i like arizona say this game but it's really more my skepticism u s c i mean exec talk about a team who can lose two games this year still be in the top ten yet they haven't come close they haven't been a ranked team yet this year or really a team that's that close to being ranked i don't understand it when you know a bunch of two loss teams yet this team is heading that gap again another flaw with preseason rankings this is why they're so high but again i like arizona state it should be one of the very interesting u s you need to get pressure on really harper that's their best chance to stop him and then another interesting matchup inferior set for both teams that's of course u s c is off and they may have more five star running backs and you know the rest of the  containing the u s c running game i mean and the running game is so important if u s c can control the pace of the game that's going to go a long way i also like the big game coaching experience of pete carroll so i think u s c is going to take this game definitely i initially coach matchup of course he touch think you like arizona state you won they threw out some numbers here this game oh i do i think the arizona state i think they're going to be down at halftime and then i think they're going to end up winning twenty seven to seventeen i'm going to could almost see it ending up sort of like that stanford game except obviously arizona state is not the underdog but you know something like really extreme at the end of the game if i see this is a high scoring affair i think both teams can put up a lot of points very quickly so i like u s c forty guys interest now we're going to get to the game we can a second borgen go to the game week right now in the a c c of course this is going to determine the atlanta coast conference of coastal champion the team that will face boston college a week from saturday in jacksonville virginia tech in virginia you know virginia they're just this year's wake forces the symbols that they're starting the nation the winning a lot of games closely and then we have virginia tech everyone expects them to be here it's also a huge rivalry which makes this even funnier  some thoughts about the original virginia tech game as we said virginia's been winning a lot of games closely but they finally came out last weekend and just won the way they were supposed to do and i mean that looks really good going into this game i think though that in the end it's not actually going to be that exciting i think virginia tech is going to dominate yeah i think virginia will be able to keep close at first because you know this is a rival game too and you see a lot of games that are closer than they should be in games you know it's going to be a ton of emotion you know it's a last game the regular season their play will playing for huge bowls i think it will be a pretty low scoring game like most games haven't had i think virginia tech will pull little bit away a little bit in  the second half you know they're better they have a better defense so virginia does have a good defense they have a little bit more talent they're going to get tired taylor back to this game i like him he adds just another dimension to this off and i like virginia tech in this game i think it will be a good one for a while though you know i'll take virginia tech in this game twenty four thirteen we all make a unanimous i like virginia tech i mean here's a team where they had a collapse in the foul minutes against boston college where would they be in the b c s rankings you know maybe they're even in the discussion you know for the in the big twelve i mean to the surprise seems this year of course not many people can scumming and then you have missouri i mean boy how the tides have turned you know right now possibly a national championship berth on the line it's a very impressive story they've played their schedule this is been a rivalry game for ever but only in kansas city because that's the only place anybody has ever cared about this game and yet somehow this week it's the number two versus a number four and it's just it's going to be an incredible atmosphere and i think that missouri is going to win you know i'm in love kansas i might actually attend kansas for college but the thing is i just i just don't whereas you have chase daniel you know and the missouri tigers they're only losses to oklahoma i think they're a much better team and it's as fun as it would be to see kansas win and go you know to national title games their conversation piece of the game i think it's going to be missouri thirty eight twenty one again this this is going to be a great game and definitely when you win expect i like kansas in this game i think often you have a ton of off and in this game i'm going to go there's going to be a slight edge to missouri definitely of course chase daniel is absolutely terrific is the best quarterback in the big twelve then you've got guys like david macklin who's just breaking all purpose yards records everywhere he's got a great season tony temple running the ball so a very good but kansas they also have a lot of firepower an sting leads this team they have good but defense it's really not even close in kansas right now and you wouldn't expect it you really wouldn't of this team but they do right now at least to to sickly and i have watched this defense play they have one of the better will be able to score well but i'm not so sure missouri will be elsewhere well i think it's one of those games where you know you could see the last team with the ball wedding you could a hey can just make one stop that could be enough for you to win the game should be a time off and by like kansas a lot more on the defensive side of the ball i'm a take kansas game it should be great when the missouri winning would not surprise me at all again a ton on the line maybe a national championship berth for both teams i'll take kansas in this game though forty two thirty four they prevail  certainly a huge game here you know basically it's as complicated as this season has been it's become relatively simple in the end of kansas wins out there going to the national championship if missouri wins out there probably going to the national championship so you know  got huge game right here but the fact is for me the biggest issue is kansas has not been tested this entire season you know have not played the team the top fifty you know they've only played two teams over five hundred the whole year how are they gonna respond to playing you know a great team like missouri who's going to have a lot more of less of a lot more speed than anyone they've seen this entire season how are they going to respond to chase daniel i mean i think kansas is going to be a little flustered i don't think they're going to be able to pull out this victory you know maybe they can keep it close to the end like missouri seventeen ten you know lo going to now that is true but the one thing you have to realize from missouri to the big twelve they've had a pretty down here of course missouri had a good win over illinois you know in week one or week two but i mean who really thought much of it then i mean really in the last eight or nine weeks missouri's been tested by oklahoma and really just about oklahoma really the power kind of resides in the north these two teams although i do agree it definitely is going to tell lot about kansas and you know maybe a little bit about this whole program you know hopefully where it's going you know they're definitely new in the whole college football thing of late west virginia against the university connecticut a big east championship online tom who do you like well first of all i'd like to say that i am just horrified  and with the b c s for letting virginia i mean to me for letting west virginia jump up so high in the polls i know this is a little off topic but it just it drives me crazy it goes back i think exactly what you were saying brandon about preseason polls i do not see how this west virginia team deserves to jump in front of missouri at all absolutely pathetic and i'm not the only one surprised by this but anyway to the game i think that it won't be that much of a game i think as you look if you look at history in college football and i know you're not supposed to always look in history but a lot of times in these programs build themselves up like us after earlier this year you know they get to a certain point and then they collapse and then the next year they come back a little bit stronger i think this is going to be one of those collapsed games for u conn they're on the map now you know good for them they can build off of this but i'd i would be extremely surprised if they beat the team with you know the coach of the basically the godfather of the spread off and just unbelievable talent on the west virginia side of the ball i think west virginia wins this it's not even close it's not a good game it's the kind of game where you change the channel and you can sort of pats their way through on the sidelines and if you think about it that's almost in the season it's been for you can even games they won you know they've been expected to lose but i have to agree with you tom i do like west region this game just too much firepower yukon's a team who when you look at them on paper nothing really jumps out on you you kind of have to watch just in even when you watch this team you don't seem you know overly impressed no not that i have to give credit absolutely to this team they have got the job done you know nine wins so far in the season it's been a great season of the wild card with them is that they have a defense that can really step it up in clutch situations and they've been doing it all year and if they want to have a chance in this game absolutely that's what they're going to do you know pat you know the one the one thing about this was free and i think could keep you can it is they just developed a severe case of formalize the past few weeks you know pat white steve slane i mean it's almost like they just can't hold on to the ball you start against cincinnati they almost choked a huge lead last week just because they fumble twice in the red zone i agree with tom though i like west virginia i think they have too much i think westray to take a swan about thirty four seventeen i mean watching that west virginia cincinnati game last week the thing that really stood out to me is that the running game is so good for west virginia i mean not only steves they then you know pat white can take any time get the end zone it seems like they're almost going yards at will you know just going out will they also have  ball as a talked about before control the tempo of the game i really don't think you can have a chance against this wes resilience and i see it as a blow like he said all right guys we're going to stand college level but now we can have a new sport blooming that of course is called football but unfortunately we all wish it was march it's not yet but the menace certainly has not delayed its arrival we've seen a ton of abscesses you know going all the way that we have gardner webb over kentucky you know to the more recent upsets of course new orleans stunning north carolina state the other night but certainly the madness is upon us without conference play vingt getting here should be another great season we're going to our predictions for the season right now we're going to start we're going to give you some conference champions we're going to start in the a c c arguably the best conference in america last year at last a little bit though because they lost a ton of talent as they usually do to the n b a draft we're going to start though with the a c c tom you're champion and i think you definitely i mean u n c most likely but i think duke is a lot better than they were last year so you like duke no i like u n c but i'm saying i'm definitely going to watch out for duke and you know i just talked about them and losing to new orleans is definitely a pretty embarrassing loss but i think you do have to watch out for n c state this team has a ton of talent time young talent but i do like north carolina you know they have three players on a lot of all a c c first teams of course  is just greater than everyone else i mean and sometimes have those out of conference losses the beginning of the season it definitely helps because it's a nice wake up call and obviously time you talked about to go a little bit even though their team is improved last year you know the addition of housing would definitely helps i really don't see them competing i mean the fact is that they still don't have the appliances and they still have the defense i mean is facing you know taking a bunch of new players working them into the duke system and they're really not going to be able to do that so i say i like u is the conference champion guys moving on to the big ten and we have a conference dominated by ohio state and wisconsin last year all of a sudden alonzo tucker goes to the draft greg go to my colleague junior goes to the jeff are we going to see a name of the top we didn't really see for a few years well you could definitely see michigan state up there with tom izzo as their coach they're solid they've been building for a couple years now and getting better ohio state though i think ohio state will pull it out even though they lost those players they had gained a lot of experience last year you know i'm going to go to indiana for this one very and i'm going to talk about one of their players in a segment in just a few minutes i like the depth of this team of course though d j white you know it's been a while since this guy's been healthy but he's certainly something special to brag about they have one of the better benches in the big ten again i think wisconsin ohio state both lost too much you definitely got from michigan state they might be the favorite for this conference i like in the end of the winning this one i would take michigan say i mean here's a team as good as ohio state was as good as wisconsin was last season i mean michigan state played right with them and they were able to hold their own in that conference if you can say it with united so you know he's a leader he's someone you always expect to make big shots so i'll take michigan state as the conference champion guys the big twelve i'm going to take kansas absolutely kansas they lose very little they have to overcome injuries though brandon rush sean calls all both out for a bit but this is kansas coffers to lose can't they have the talent to do it the only question is will they execute it's definitely to be kansas right now we're going to head big east a surprise conference last year a very deep one i definitely think it's going to be georgetown but i also think syracuse got better i absolutely think you have to watch out for say hughes and then the year out of course talking about a school like connecticut i do think this is georgetown salusa they showed a lot a lot of heart in the tournament last year and of course roy hibbert comes back yeah i mean on sports illustrated's basketball preview on the cover you dork you know syracuse georgetown are going to battle it out for the conference championship i think george have is going to come out on top just by a little bit now we're looking at you know really last year's a c c probably the best conference the deepest conference in america  shockers anyone tough crowd you saw you know kevin love the members of him great conference i mean washington state oregon university of southern cal a ton of great friends not to mention the u c l a yeah and that's who i'm going to go with i'm going to go to first conference kevin love one of the best freshman nation of course ship this team reloads darren collison a ton of players like u c l a yeah i mean with the pac ten i think you have the biggest of fusion of freshman talent probably of any comments in the land i mean you talk about kevin love you get with jay mayo on us even though they had the embarrassing out of conference loss but you know u c l a hal and such a great coaches so much talent on that team you know they're another team like kansas that we talked about really has you know so much more talent than anyone else in their conference so i'll take u c l a guys now the s e c i love tennessee it's basically like they have five returning starters because their one new position they got a transfer from iowa he's very good yep i know you know maybe that's because the talent level on some of these teams is so great you know chris lives and could hit those big time shots like tennessee all right guys now just before we get to cause more it's just make sure you watch next week for college basketball we're going to throw some national championship picks your way some final four picks and some sleeper teams you want to watch out for but now without further ado before we wrap this show up we're going to start with tom and then we're going to get to closing words on the final four i know it's a long time from now but i like u c georgetown and then tennessee couple baseball notes great move by the sox resigning michael they definitely need to do that and also i thought was interesting to hear that a rod actually took the advice of investment extraordinary warren buffett and went over his agent scott boras and you know when ahead and sign that two hundred seventy five million dollar contract over ten years you know good move by a rod to stay at the yankees where he you know he's probably going to be a good fit and scott boras themselves had a horrible offseason you know gets fired by i love this year and freshman eyrecourt i think he's going to lead this team to a big ten title he's absolutely sensational washington play so far albeit against weak competition the guy can score well he's going to have a great career if you decide to stick around at indiana for a few years and th heading to texas he was overshadowed by kevin durant last year but d j augusten is going to shine your city haunt him on some all american list before too much time goes by i love this guy guys and we and watch out for a little romeo he committed to the u s c yesterday to play basketball there a rapper turned basketball star guys you have a great week we're going to see you next week remap a ton of great topics to talk about until the end points in the paint wear out