they intrude in the nice stopped of right at this gate right but then when they were at the gate they were able to see the little corners of the big case in plain view and then  requested to search the house when that was refused they got a warrant and then when they were walking from the back door to the front door they were able to look into the window again in pla but they had another issue that they were concerned about and they had a person along with them but i don't care remember fox was writing with them or he was in his own vehicle but he's interested in a person who is not in this country illegally so do they have to do some verification does it take two blocks or should they just have stopped right then and if he was not the person they thought that was illegal then they have another problem i don't recall mean what would tell us that the police have to arrest somebody in mediately and couldn't wait to flights i mean isn't the motivation the motivations of these really irrelevant when they make a reasonable traffic stop where they see a were the yes they did stop and the discrepancy seems to be when he turned on his lights whether it was before he pulled into the driveway or as he pulled into the way and you're not really addressing that at this point but the fact remains when he pulled into the driveway and got almost into that secure fence syria he was stopped he never got out of the car he was asked by the way and he brought out an id and then was asked anybody else in the house for officer safety immediately knocked on the door that he could see right there within the within the fence syria and nobody answered so then he walked around to the frog what's wrong with making and he said that was for o officer you know monday sees somebody committed traffic they must stop them there or try to send them right there if you have a case like that i'm happy to look at it's because there happens to be where the defendant is so it's one thing to talk about pretext there's case law that i'm aware of that says probable cause if in fact there is probable cause based on the observation of the graphic video which case i agree for two i don't know the name but it related to a situation where a driver came to a cheer section and didn't turn his turn signal i'm going to kate weather's going to go left or right and it was claimed that he stopped because he failed to turn his friend signal was pretextual and the supreme court said no it may be a basis for finding the defendant not guilty but the police officer had a reasonable basis he saw a technical crime being committed and therefore the stop was not improper you haven't indicated that the police officer didn't have a reasonable basis to make the stop and therefore you don't have any basis to claim that the officers presence was illegal and that seems to be your argument because you started out from the very beginning suggesting that when he went on the premises it was illegal and i'm suggesting to you that when he went on the premises he was going there to  determine the identity of the defendant get i d d confirm whether or not he's legal or illegal on also if he wants to ask for an insurance card whether or not he then starts breaching or going beyond the scope of this and whether or not he now want to quote looks in areas that privacy concerns may be inviolate that's a different argument but you're not making an argument you want to make their argument the argument i want to me is that we should not fortuitous serendipitous might be more appropriate because i haven't seen in this record anything to indicate that they had any control about where he decided to drive until such time as they attempted to restrain him or sees him as it were a traffic stop and therefore as i believe justice actions and was was referring to he was the one who decided where he was evidence to show that there was a midfield manipulation there's evidence to show that it was fortuitous and what they hoped might happen happen but that doesn't necessarily mean good hero controlling the scenario i'm not going to make a public policy statement because i don't have to but i will tell you this there been instances where the best time to make a traffic stop is after that the defendant has stopped rather than attempting to pull them over because point of overusing always successful but if they're stopped in their stop their driveway and especially if you pull in behind them it tends to make them stay where the raft was of course they're going to bash the hell out of the squad car so this case could say two blocks is too many how can i mean maybe two miles might be too many out of two hundred miles and it seems probably too many talk but how can we say reasonably that two blocks is too far to follow someone who is especially knowing what they knew or thought they knew and what they were looking for  oh well i'm not going to commit to this but it might have been ok for them to say ok let me see your i d which they did and found out that in fact he was in this country illegally after being have been testimony that you know once we saw this we wanted we did this we did this we did this in the car and then we stopped it again i don't believe that the law requires   the vehicle as soon as practicable falling behind and the claim that they somehow manipulate the location of the star is simply not supported by  looks like they gave the gated area sort of starts at the at the front of the house so that the total back might be covered there is some driveway before you get into that gated area he there was it actually looks like although i didn't see the car there at the point it looked like that where they were talking it was pretty close to where that door was so if the if it had gotten out of the car he might have been able to walk in that door without going there are some other interesting type of facts the officer said that he was checking for officer safety to make sure he asked if anybody else in the house now but he wanted to be sure at least that's what he said when nobody answered the side door he partially out but they were later we see the blinds down we have any explanation for that there was no explanation given by the spectrum and believe he did maintain that he when he was walking in the direct path from the driveway to that front front door he saw the blinds i think halfway out the window screen missing but there is no explanation that i can find in the record as i remember that picture there is a walkway and then i don't know as a guard here i look to see where you can plant stuff and it looks like there is some space in front of the window where something could be planted but nothing was planted back tracked down the driveway and come around to go walk so this is a little bit different than the traditional license which is mentioned a lot  nothing contrary actually say was improper  and the defendant refused a search of the premises  we've heard of lot of these cases that relate to a car that might be suspected of stealing or stealing from a car and it seems like they oh so many of these cases  food restaurants and gas stations and that's exactly where he went direct to us why why then i mean i i'm trying to understand why a i can say two blocks is too far when they know the same things when you know or that they've they've told us the same things we now know that these two places are hot spots for these things