have meetings the night of the chicken pie dinner like you actually moved into that so  so those are the scheduling conflicts i don't know who want to just shift on a week so that and i'm here or you could still have them without me and have someone else take minutes but also acceptable when you pay for  they're available so what we would have to specially schedule them if they are available but they might not be available but we're having it on every other wednesday so why don't we just use that as the secretary i would still have to take minutes out back from watching the video ratio we'll go the nd building at the seven thousand five hundred and twenty five street level commercial the street level commercial be the basement and then they will never reach the ratio that they want to in the beginning so we didn't really get to any conclusions on changes other than a few small things because they're still talking about it in the extended to finish the hearing at their next meeting so at that meeting they will likely actually make a lot of the changes i drafted a list of potential changes that of the because you had to get that twenty thousand square feet building for i don't know i was just traveling to see in practice how you could do that or why he would so they're they're pretty tied to the interns and the concept that we kind of kick the can down the road on future land use in the town plan because we didn't want it the plan to fail by making the future a new section too specific to people getting upset if we went neighborhood by neighborhood the city just said richmond village made the village a large bl i think we all thought that the town risk not passing if we did that so you know it's not as really a bad thing there was a you know it was it i was at the meeting too and i think you are options of this when we think there is something specifically do we want represented in that section we should you know talk a little bit are they going to build future buildings and is that street level commercial going to end up being the basement that's really what they're trying to prevent yet it seemed like they were interested in having the street level not be either the basement or wall which i think is reasonable level counted walk out basements but there seemed to be disagreement there made whether that was the case for long so really be there it's kind of difficult to without leaving at least say you cannot have give more flexibility also but i'm in part of the interim zoning process that was in the view of it and see i feel that we have to respect that earlier decision unless there is something similar t explicitly rescinded that in the in the interim so the whole question of not wanting to concur essentially the last bit of remaining commercial political minds starter and they're like well you know we build for buildings in the last you have to be commercial and that's not majority residential but really what comes down to is how big are those buildings going to be and are are they really going to put all their remaining residential  building or medial save some for the next a guy you know like we'll have anything right now the says this many units for building or some this is this much for footage for building it's just a you know you have to have at least your ground floor be commercial everything else is so far and it may or may not work you know it would be an effort to explain the rationale i think they were sort of moving away from it and i mean it seems like especially when they went for this a potential jobs and to me that's like way out there in the kind of just in my in my personal opinion flat out these will because then you're talking about trying to control the kinds of businesses that you know that's the way it's going and i knew there was how commercial is going to go i mean like i feel that it was a house of work and business so we've got other you know we have residential commercial throughout the rest of the village that they were willing to go there and then they sort of were conflicted because they were feeling like a select one and really none of them to commit to that next commercial you know what i mean so they that we were interested in it being slower so that we can see how it went with the traffic and all because that's kind of where we all started about being concerned was going to drop it was an early going thing which is to have been forgotten about  know what went on behind closed doors in like tim's apartment of the person that was us and it wasn't by the slick words like well you had hershel tenets of your choosing not to give them space so it's really not a matter you can't get commercial you just don't want to there you residential let's say then the next building would have to equal that ratio that they want to get so and then and so that theory in theory and so that would mean did it work that we would could reasonably be assured of two buildings and residential and then if the market ever turns around and then maybe better up doesn't want to that point to be somebody else owns it maybe butter o them is about to walk out basement question we should decide what we want to think about that is that going to be ok to me there's a walk out basement building the building over to right now is build kind of air fire department was low we didn't see you guys and just sort of doing what we did so they came in they said we had can respond three minutes wilson is understaffed will still take their regular truck in their rescue out before they take their ladder truck and if they're going  on everything everything that you can pick it's a thirty six dollars to the only thing that is public and so like some of the apartments have square footage is in them but that you know there's the hallways and elevators and other square footage is that  environmental court and then a thermal court will make us let them open the building or buy a water truck or who knows what kind of mediation come out of it like x will happen so we're everyone's concerned that is too tall  hump from the village area that is you can see camels on if you can stand certainly on the sidewalk now which may not get before you could just see it and i think people complain about the loss of that view so they didn't want they don't want people artificially like britain and what will be ground and that could happen anywhere in the business or this building but anybody can do that they can just put some bill but plain and make their buildings are actually taller group rather than try to figure this out here i would like to propose that we set up a process for coming up with a draft and people that are interested in doing that sort of you know sort of the subcommittee approach  well ok but that was a that was a critical point we were discussing before you know if you forget the ratio then then that then were set a precedent that rd building busy good end up with twenty five percent residential which i don't think at all and like some people are cool with the two buildings and no more buildings and who cares if there's majority residential but that's the slick word saying they can't make it fact that it's not going to be that way i mean there's nothing to prevent buttermilk from making two buildings and not need any more right grass nothing to prevent that so that's the way it's going to end up they can't enforce this ratio but i'm on the proper i mean they might not stick to that they seem to be ok with the street level commercial if ratios made it some point but that's what i kept trying to say it like there is no point that there is no you have to build and i mean that the the other thing that we're not talking about because we're the richer planning commission but we're not talking about the other pure which is the state of vermont and the state of vermont is in a desperate housing crisis and of affordable housing of these three hundred square foot apartments that young people can actually afford and choose to live here because they're not living near work and the only county that is doing well are going to economically is the rest of the counties have been in recession for years and are still in recession there was people there losing economics and we have a responsibility in my opinion because we live in the only county that is doing well in this state to build the housing for the people to come work at the jobs that none of the companies here i go around the state in and meet with businesses in every county in the state of vermont none of them are doing well none of  people that's the big thing there are so many jobs available we have the lowest unemployment rate in the country because we're on the people and jobs companies are  thinking about leaving and so if communities don't create the market for developers to create affordable housing it's not like when to pull of the curb it might richmond  passionately that we need to do our part to help the underlying state economy and creating house and here's what i mean we don't need new businesses right now because we can't we don't have people to commission some of them think that the water expense isn't a big deal because we have proved water infrastructure and that's what we're paying for but then there's another constituency of people that think that the water rates need to go down at feeling most of the users think it needs to go down on separate nights that i could be here and have a sooner rather than later with the committee on tuesday took it and then so i gave you guys are left copies out right here at the draft development the changes not a big deal most of the changes were just the new reporting fees and the clerk's office they had to increase them by that extra five bucks and then the public works department has duties because we've had a lot of issues and people taking the legally and not having any recourse when they do that kind of thing right so you can't dig in the water destructor mission from the water department and we had rampant digging without permission oh yeah i know but th and then anything that's in the water district all the internet is going to permit from us technically before we can actually have permits you are just required to call the water district so they could come out and mark but we couldn't get people to do that water bills so this is besides getting say yes a big save the probably say because we're not a big city member and when you poll big safe digs it only alerts their member companies and they will come out mark and on your permit it says you should also call local utilities because they may not be a member of ours and nobody ever notices that part and then we catch them digging after or made sure e mail and it's a problem so we're trying to get to be a big safe number have these permits try to make it more rough back in may well a little bad as i haven't started working on a parking permit or policy yet and then we were going to talk about prioritizing zoning changes but i think for now it seems like we should just stick with what oh just the gross or it wasn't quite clear what the discussion was in regard it wasn't a lot of discussion about it but there's been discussion outside of the meeting about it so we kind of took to heart like  it's probably not going to be an issue any time soon like if anything will have like an emergency safety gate down here so that anything ever happens at the intersection people did come out in town center holder buttermilk sent a new master plan at the end of last week showing all four buildings with all the parking and a few roads it goes to the town center with a gate that is to be opened at the time it is needed kind of like that will build parking at the time that it is needed which is a little too objective or subjective and from what i understand the only purpose of having to go through road in terms of like engineering and traffic safety is just because they don't want people coming out of joint corps and getting hit by traffic coming down the hill they can't see the subtle traffic engineer told me is that really the loop that was proposed was only for safety purposes and not for traffic control purposes because it's really moving it so far down the road so they have on their master plan a proposed cure road with a gate to be opened when they feel it's necessary to be opened but i don't think so if they wanted to get something through they would have to get our permission and the pizza permission to take over that right away center use that right of way in a permanent fashion but the way that the master plan is right now regulations you know agreements with the developer and that's what they were kind of going toward the other night when they were like why but we weren't like business necessity don't just were things in the regulation you're right it was the laws have to read like present tense laws you can't just put and also the uses question they've said things about making the residential units lot bigger urge make them work for more money so they have more income from them if they don't kind of get their way on the zoning they would have to resort to other things to get that income in cash or whatever and that texture siting on those buildings but the colors all the same so make the poster has all brick but then there's drawings like goop scattered drawings where it's like different looking textures but it's all the shade of brown  them i don't know if it's like we don't really care what you do but we just want to see it and then if you want to change it come back kind of thing and make it not like actually tell them what has to be rigid say we'd like to see here that rendering if you want to change it come back to us and show us again with your choice so the point what's the put that so that you think there would be situations in which the d r v would sit and look at it and say we don't like that i mean they won't have any criteria and later some bacteria in there there's no point in about bridge i don't really think that's a contentious thing i think it's just a name with more specified thing because in my opinion the regulations we have are already kind of coverage but we've had a lot of pushback but it doesn't so i would like to suggest that that area st of all it keeps talking about lots that are served by municipal and community water and sewer systems don't all of the lots in this district have to be on the job maybe we should say all of the lots in this district will be on the water and sewer system st of all and then you could get rid of the weather you know the different statements about parcels that our community water system and it gets very confusing and i think it got rid of the weather and whether or not they are in the village downtown one because they caught it in the down because i still can't see why is one i mean and then if you look at that three thousand nine hundred and three way except as municipal water and sewer which you can get rid of but isn't i'm just thinking if let's say they don't build of the residential units and they sell off part of it and maybe there are time doing that but i wish i wish we could sit down together and because i think that paragraph is really morally written and i know it come straight out of the old zoning the let's fix it and make it not really bore at least so that it works village sidewalks are optional and the are b doesn't always require if we want to make sure that they're there and if we do have to require i don't know i think we should have packed some just for some crazy reason that somebody wants to buy twenty thousand square foot print building there is no reason they can't then something i mean really the thing that limits building sizes keeps everything in balance and everything in check  process by which a developer has to develop the land a certain way in the market conditions don't make that profitable if they don't make it on the be developed you make it out and then you just take it and you're taking it without satisfying the statutes