who is our rd panel member she is unable to be with us today however she has talked with both of us she will conference with us after she has listened to your arguments she's also conveyed a couple of questions poll one thing i forgot sure make sure you keep your voice up if she's going to listen to these she needs to be able to hear them and in the past we've had some problems with the hoarding so make sure you're in the microphone even if that means you have to not look at one of us for and we decided not to prosecute him for these part was there any evidence that mr could there was in any way involved in those allegations no there was not one is there any the evidence in this disclosure that indicates that anything that these c i did here specifically related to any of the transactions between the c i and mr who dat can deliver us was have committed the moments of the crime but the statute and the illinois words provide that a person who's been a trap is not guilty and the character of the you put that runs into play for one thing your character goes into long from arraignment to the plea do we have i don't have the exact right up we're talking about i think maybe a year or more and they were talking about me two thousand and thirteen to april when the last splurge was made and i think it was then i may or june of two thousand and fourteen members of plea right so then in that period of time was there ever a an affirmative defens and he was perfectly entitled to all answer with entrapment one while answered young enough but not withstanding then he still plays guilty for leaving i mean and well let's go back the confidential informant is not the only evidence against your client is is he or is is he there were other issues that were there there were various other issues in evidence for the confidential informant was crucial didn't have anything to do with the confidential informant is that what you're saying i believe or you or did that rd person produce evidence against your find the answer the answer that question from my knowledge answer  we think this is the foreman's idea this is the kind of informant who knows the system and plays the system and played this is a very very good thing i mean i don't know many informants who are considered stellar citizen so i'll give you that right but the system functions with informants and the system functions with that's really one of the only ways they can if in function and so that character is always taken investigation wasn't finished in time because that there were no charges filed significant i mean there was an investigation pending that's what we can all agree upon correct the time of the year find quite guilty there there is as judge brinn and found skullduggery involved as in some of the federal cases that he has cited after reason that we should take a different look what your position on that doesn't matter in this case and i honestly i don't the record does not disclose but at this stage and we're good assuming we have this evidence how does it affect the volunteer e or no waiting plea of guilty because those are our considerations when we look at the withdrawal of a plea that it was a voluntary was it knowing was it was the person who pled guilty under the influence of anything didion to stand what he was doing did she understand what process to get a tag but you make the decision to plead guilty when you do and you take the situation as it is this and in this particular case again we're talking about these two acts that are you know again to other criminal acts that are potentially criminal acts that that mr that the confidential informant was being investigated for so we that's a lot of people all we're asking for is a procedure by which we can address these issues and that's why he asked court to reverse the measure say see i think you counsel heidi thank you very much for your argument here today it was to keep him very interesting and very well presented we will make this decision after consultation with just to shasta take and issue a decision in due course