welcome back to daring to dream we have peter and jamie falsehood back with us jamie and peter your story was so fascinating and so interesting that we want to get more details about your process in what you're doing now so we ran out of time in the first episode so we want to get more of the inside scoop from from you guys and one thing i'd like to take take us back to  for those of you who missed the first episode jamie and peter have shared with us their story from having successful careers in the whole hotel industry and  deciding to walk away from literally from paradise in the british virgin islands to pursue careers in the healing arts and so if we could just kind of pick up from that point and go into a little more detail about your process of making that decision to transition from very successful careers managing you know a small restored in the british virgin islands beautiful area  and listening to that little voice inside saying this is not this isn't all that you're meant to be doing so we talked about your decision to to make that transition and your decision to go to the barbara then school of healing and we talked about some of your doubts and fears in that but is there anything in anything else you'd like to add in terms of the doubts that you were confronted with in making that transition and walking away from very successful careers i think the i think the doubt suzi really is part of the part of the the process of changing because it wasn't just doubting how we are going to make a living if i change professions but it was doubting if i could stay happy doing what i was doing so the initial doubt initial delp was wait a minute i doubt if this is what i was meant to do i doubt that this is how i want to live the rest of my life when i say that so that initial doubt was almost the spark of beginning the transformational process that's interesting yeah yeah and then the  will kind of make a living at it would look like where we live how do we do this those are the logistical things that your mind wrestles with right and that's where a lot of people get stuck those doubts take over and it's like how might i do this you know and they maybe sang i don't have the money you know i have security right now how can i walk away from that security at a family to support you know if so how did you do cochran those types of doubts and just go with your decision say we're going to do this this is the right thing to do i think we just did i guess i have to say that i didn't have that much doubt because i know for myself if i had a lot of doubt i wouldn't of been able to do it it would have stopped me ok so i that's just the kind of person that i am but i i had to keep looking like i had to keep looking at what my goal was you know right my goal was i saw us with a healing practice i saw us meeting people individually i had i had it all in my mind and at first we had rented a two bedroom apartment in watertown and one of the bedrooms was our office i'm and people would come and see us all in our car in a row our that's how you started your pratt we started we did a lot of different things i went to you know it all at the same time i went to the barber brennan school which is a four year program in meets in weeks over time i went to get my master's at liz lee college and then i also got a five hundred hour shiatsu practitioner ends meet make ends meet because we had taken school loans out for the memory of my master's program and peter had taken a school loan for his acupuncture license and program so we were in that yeah that's a tough thing to do for  tough thing for people to do made career you guys were quite made career but still you were well into it into your careers and well established and you know to do to just give up your income and commit to going back to school all is a difficult thing for many people it was huge risk huge and i looking back on it now i think it's bigger than at the moment when you're in it and it made me think through there like three parts to good to the process the first was like the mental like how we going to do house is going to look the logistical and the next was like the heart center in my heart i knew i had to make a change in my life how they knew i wasn't happy what i was doing and then so my heart my mind started communicating well hothouses going to look where we're going to go to school are we going to live are we going to pay for it but then there's the third aspect which was really the the whole transformation which was the connection to something larger like that voice that you talked about suzy inside that i couldn't deny her eyes almost like the spiritual guidance you know nothing we became you know overly religious or anything but there is a distinct feeling of following a spirit that was leading us and that's what the trust  still wasn't big enough because when we finally graduated from all of our programs which was in one nine hundred ninety three we really needed to open up a business so i had gone and knocked at the door of foster's flowers and pushing square and said i see that for rent is like everyone your work is one third of your life and we wanted to one work together and to be in an environment where it would be healthy for us so our way and it would support how we believe you know our own our own consciousness to live healthy to have a balanced life to work on your physical and your motion or aspects of your or your consciousness to have a type of a spiritual connection all the things that all of us have that yeah and a lot of it has to do with jamie's vision really of of interior space and things way and beauty and reality and all together yeah that's definitely wired so tell me a little bit more about i know you guys have individual practices and then you work together doing work stuff workshops and trainings but tell me a little bit about your individual practices first will i i combine counseling psychotherapy i a my master's is in holistic counselling and psychotherapy and so i combine when people come to see me they usually come for about a seventy five minute session and we do half of the session talking about what is up for them what's going on for them and then we do the remainder of the session with what i call laying on of hands in energy work they stay completely closed but take off your shoes and relax they have people lie on a healing table it's like a massage table and i do applied touch i think that the best way to describe it i touch them from the bottom of the feet all the way to the top of the head there's just certain lee just very gentle is no rubbing and massaged to a point but it's a very deep relaxation and people go very much inside my feeling about the way work is that it helps move along what's what people have been presenting it helps them to move it out of their systems i feel like that's the combination of talking about what's going on and then the energy work helps to move things out so i am not so stuck in the person's body mass and so that's my my general practice is that i see people and then i also do individual work with people around the family constellation approach and will say more about that while but that's my private practice sasso so say your work is kind of a combination of traditional therapy you might say going to psych psychologist or social worker and talk therapy yes may i think i might be a little bit on the edge of that i'm not so traditional but ask general that's what it would look like right together talk right and then and then the that piece of energy work that you do when many people think of that or know that as reiki it's a good it's ricki's a good model  many people know of reiki because it's in the right little's in everyone's much much more popular today it's similar but much more detailed my treating it as is a four year training program and it really moves into the mental the emotional the spiritual the psychological so when i'm touching a person i'm working on all the levels of the energy field not just allowing energy to come through me and allow it to flow i'm actually working in a more transformative way and that's and that's really interesting i've never actually heard that distinction between reiki and that and healing energy that barberin and developed yeah yeah ricky such a beautiful practice it just different in that you might say that barbara has created a more directive way or a much more comprehensive way to understand it and i don't really like to make a differentiation because both energy is energy and energy is beautiful snow matter how receiving it so right and the way but what a wonderful experience in terms of being able to talk through your issues and deal with the mental things that are going on in your life and causing blocks in your life and then to actually have a physical and written i guess a physical emotional and spiritual  of what's blocking you are going right in a way a physical release and you know right yeah right that's wonderful yeah yeah yeahs and peter i know you as a master acupuncture its foundation is based on my work as an energy here i mean that's what really led me to acupuncture because the the healing work or jamie using the shock the system and using the art field we all have one it all has all these different levels of physical mental emotional spiritual psychological and eastern medicine as an acupuncturist i work very similar you know that the same levels of the field of their acupuncture effects people physically it affects the emotional level it affects them mentally and it can certainly have a spiritual effect where i so when people come to me often they're coming to either start with a back pain or they come in because they are emotionally upset and they want change so the acupuncture starts that process and what's nice about it similar to doing the energy work is you're not talking so there's a certain aspect of talking and figuring things out mentally and having the emotional like what's going on in your life but then using the energetics of the acupuncture of the hands on healing similar to jamie it starts an internal process of the change and wherever the body needs to change that's where it changes and ultimately people come in the door as an example with back pain and it leads to you know i'm really unhappy in my job which leads to how am i going to find the courage to see myself through this which then leads to where is my faith in my trust you know somehow the process is there for all of us and i think the tools that jamie and i use just kind of us a little bit about your background in terms of your training in acupuncture and sure i went to the new england school of acupuncture which was the oldest acupuncture school in the united states in watertown yeah so it's yes a little known fact but it's the oldest over the other i actually use kind of a combination of i use japanese style in the sense they use sin needles i don't i'm not very aggressive with my with the sensation people get but from a diagnostic perspective i'm probably more of a chinese and i've heard i talked to other people who have had chinese acupuncture nothing against chinese i could puncture by oh that they're at times there is a little more pain in the insertion the insertion of the needles i think suzy it really comes down to the to the style of the practitioner and for myself i personally believe that we don't have to have pain to heal you know and and that you can leave the needles in longer and let the energy or the healing happen slowly rather than having to be aggressive and so i don't think it has much to do as much to do with japanese or chinese or korean or viewed me as your french because it's all many many styles of acupressure why it has to do with how the and sometimes it's important to be aggressive you know like it's sometimes a point to be to have a stronger style for either one is not better yeah exactly it's an art like all preference exactly absolutely and it's what's right for the person at the time yeah  and i i'm sure you see people who strictly come to you for physical pain and they won't name her that acupuncture can be effective with chronic pain they have you know they're frustrated with that western medicine and not getting results and decide to try acupuncture and have no idea what energy right work or healing is about i think that that that is what happens for most those often the physical will start a process of change and if we listen to our bodies what needs to change here is it just that i need to sit at my desk differently so i don't get a stiff neck during my computer or is it that i have to look deeper at the work that i'm doing and the type of work i'm doing and why am i doing this and i happy doing this so i believe that the physical is just a doorway into a much larger healing process and some people stop when their neck pain goes away other people continue on a deeper  a deeper questioning they have of their dream really after doing with their life and how do you lead people from you know point a to point b or do you probably  less aggressively than a used to a high used to think that i knew what the answers were for people in their life and now it's more like would a person comes in the door where they try to meet them there that's how we were taught when we first went to school meet the person where they're at and then if there's an opening it will show itself to to her and then you make a suggestion and if they choose to follow the suggestion they will write that's wonderful so i'd love to hear more about the work that you are doing together and the workshops and and trainings in the constellation approach tell us tell us when that moment out well we're doing this work originally discovered by a man named bert hellinger he's a german man who has been practicing this way of working for over twenty five years all throughout europe and we had the opportunity in about to the year two thousand two thousand and one to see his work and what this work is about is where you find out where the love has stopped in your family system and then he actually cause of the family soul so that you can heal yourself so we do this so we studied with with burt for a few years found as i was especially drawn to it because of coming from a large family and just feeling like i wanted to feel closer to my family or find ways where why aren't i closer with this one and right going on with that and certainly most of the people who would come to my office would often bring up issues with their parents and you know this is what happened with my mother and often psychotherapy and some modalities were well your mother is bad and your father is bad and if you just individuated from them you'll be awesome they were right there was an energy that didn't feel completely right to me even though i had believed in it for a long time what i found was that this hellinger method he calls it the family constellation method or the constellation approach is that you work with an individual and ask them to work on looking at their family of origin their current family or their their ancestors their grandparents great grandparents and it's not that you listen to the stories or the ta but you ask about what an issue what's the current issue that you're looking at what's not working in your life and as you start to listen to the client speak you recognize that as they as they talk with you you ask them what the facts were what happened in this person's life or that and what develops is what is created called the family constellation and we do it in a group and people don't know each other people aren't it's not a group process it's not group therapy it's not  all but we help people to create what's called a constellation where they set up their family of origin using the participants of the circle that we've formed to stand in as representatives of family members and hers and it's a very fascinating approach as i was tired to describe because it's so experience phil but what we've noticed is that many people have kind of come out of their their every day story and started to say whole that's what happened then i didn't realize or oh now i have more compassion is flowing right now i know i can acknowledge what happened and that was what happened there and i'm here you know drive a movement in people right a deep inner movement and so peter and i try to teach this work we offer workshops on one saturday a month we offer workshops we do we do training programs where we teach people how to go very deep into their family system we do a six week training program over over a year long period so people look at their mothers line their fathers line their family of origin they look at the effects of illness and disease on their family the effects of war immigration how early deaths i mean fascinating all of these things really do affect all of us anyway right we bring it to it's like bubbling it up right and not blaming or accusing our making anything bad worked with where has the love stopped and how do you allow the love to flow again so now that's beautiful it's a beautiful method that credibly beautiful madness so true for you say anything more peter yes i think what i would add to it is that for a long time like jimmy said i often thought that i was like this individual person going through life and you know once i moved out of my mother and father's home that i was on my own but the truth is energetically we are deeply connected to our family of origin right even to our grandparents and our ancestors and that has a strong effect on the decisions we make right unconsciously and this work brings the unconscious to the to the surface and when you become aware when you become conscious of the unconscious then you much freer to make those choices to to have your dream versus living something unconsciously from your allowing your ancestors right so as so many people all follow the path that they're supposed to follow right and do what they feel like they're supposed to do where will please their their family we have to ask for the blessing actually from our ancestors to have the life we want and that really helps us and when we turn to our ancestors or to have your blessing to be a healer to be an acupuncture to that you know would you support me in this you know rather than just saying i'm going to do what i want to do right now i mean she's in terms of  you know people there do this work with you are people do you typically work with people that are you know have a have a deep understanding of energy work or are there people that come in and you know i have no idea how this all works her i'm sure probably question is this really doing anything but see the results at the end of the process or you know i think our our approach and anything is always to invite those in who don't know much about things that we're very because i think we because of our education background i don't know but i feel like both of us are educators and we we try not to  idate anyone who would come to our office for an appointment that we would explain everything along all along the way that i don't think anyone would ever come in and feel intimidated by because we've been in the position to of not knowing and we want to make sure we can make someone feel very comfortable or so that i think comfortability is also part of the healing process if you trust the person you're with you may open up more you know i see can really feel any kind of family dynamic that may be causing problems or issues through this work it sounds like you could certainly look at it that it's always everyone's free choice if they want to move towards healing at this stage our belief is that the soul and spirit is always moving towards happiness healing and health that that's the natural progression that it wants to go in but you just need to show people the past that they have open to them and once people see the pain us it's their free choice right if they want to stay in the room if they want to follow a dream to be healthier and be yeah who would ever be is if it's relationships are cool rear end to end i was just thinking sometimes people choose not to follow that path even though that's counter intuitive  would want to be helped healthier and happier but people often don't choose that path because of family issues because their lot in store only oh yeah and there's no judgement in this work yeah that's the beauty of the of the kind of the spiritual practice that we try to walk is that we don't judge anyone and would be generous to do in life yeah yeah you guys are doing wonderful work its size just sounds like a beautiful process and and something that could having a more in depth information and background said thank you very much and again if you or anyone you 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