from our fiscal year two thousand and fifteen and he's due to an increase on collective bargaining agreement and equipment replacement cost we are not asking for expansion position as we focus on filling  vacancies currently we have our a d f class who are on their last phase of their field training and expected to complete their training within a week we have the eighty first we could class who are scheduled to graduate in july twenty fourth the eighty second recruit last who are scheduled to start june first of this year we are continuing our recruitment for emergency service dispatchers as we have current dispatchers in different phases of their operating expenditures have not been increased in fact we reduced it by eighteen thousand dollars from two thousand and fifteen due to say living in gasoline and utilities we are now purchasing our feel it wholesale prices to all of our districts have field dispensers and the other four districts working together with the county based in their respective districts so we can fuel up from the base yard we took our actual operating expenditure from fiscal year two thousand and fourteen and use them as a base for inflation adjustment analysis by the budget director so replacement based on rotational policies and we are so our talk a little bit about our capital improvement even though we're scheduled next year right now we have three programs that police facilities and our public safety radio system replacement mr chairman we are not asking for money for this project as we are trying to keep up with what we had asked for in the past once we caught up with it we will come forward and ask you in conclusion it has been my pleasure to present to you the my police department two thousand and sixteen and your budget mr chairman we anticipate a saving of two point five million dollars from our present budget however as we know we still have a couple more months to go hopefully there is no major incidents that requires us to use up our savings but hopefully things will work the way we plan at this time thank you for the opportunity and i welcome any questions that you may have thank you thank you chief i would ask the deputy if he would like to see anything please do so i members are there any questions at this time for the chief if not i'm going to want to start a review of their operation of the administration program chief why don't we start with the first component of need to comply with let me ask the community is there any questions for the chief because i believe the chief gave us a very straightforward budget hoping to offset any increase in department budgeting for the upcoming fiscal year some of the sea means you're getting from this person you know because i heard you say something about two million dollars and i was kind of confused when you went on that could you explain what you meant by that yes council victory and what i meant by that is right now where we are looking at the budget that was given to us last year with president spending by the end of the fiscal year we should be looking at at least a saving of two point five million dollars that has not been used up  have a question on the salary miles here do these amounts and include the standard of conduct pay and all the various pay items that approach the nine the nine percent range are those consistent with collective bargaining or is it like they're not as collective bargaining i must wonder and i don't recall there being an increase percentage of that two thousand and fourteen numbers we realize that there will be saving so we're not here to ask for more on that in that area areas did we are looking for increase like the professional so twenty five you think is what you definitely definitely need for this upcoming rotation yes that was based on what my commanders had presented to me that these are the guys that need to be if we placed ok ok thank was involved with the construction in the beginning it was part of the added item to the facility once we get it up and going in fact the infrastructure of the  installed so when we have the money and we're ready for it we will forward thank you thank you mr cochran i think it's here and i concur with everyone else's comments in regards to a pretty straightforward budget so thank you for that ch but in the narrative chair under operations and it's just how they break down what investigative services are and what have you i just had a question in regards to the vice division and what they investigate such as narcotics but each component in the a b c account so when you hit that area of the budget review i will return to you and you can present your question to the chief at that time ok i don't have any other questions standard of conduct the french rules can you give us some how you are viewing this as within the budget and i bring this up because you know the chief and i believe the deputy to be considered salary if it is to be a properly considered a portion of salary because salary said the salary commission and we can come and see more than what the seller commission established as the cap but we're also a personal service is that a part of the standard the kind that is also included in the retirement calculation so that means they consider position on whether and that we need to view it one way or the other so that when we work on the calculations especially on benefits we can come up with more accurate figures  d i think mr buzz you were also made aware of the committee's requests to have better information so i would ask the basically says it's allowable as a as an allowance they receive the gun allowance uniform allowance and the standard conduct pay is an additional allowance that's received as a part of their compensation aware if the salary commission has the knowledge that they are receiving these additional allowances or not when they're setting the salary for the chief but that's under the purview of the salary commission a gun allowance is to go and buy a gun the other the other allowances are for things that you go you have to you know you have to have as equipment but a differential is a pay differential so i'm i'm just i'm a little hung up on the word pay based on the definition so it doesn't appear to me that the year informs us that the seller beyond the amount authorized by the seller commission is not legally permissible and so that is the trigger that i just want to make sure the viewing this standard of  late the fire chief has different types of departments are essential important key key can departments of the county at both departments approach collective bargaining very differently is seen as part of the calculations of retirement then you've got a really didn't convince me why it's not part of it's part of retirement so again  of what we are legally permissible to appropriate and that's why i bring it up after reading the written comment from corporation counsel so that's where i am at this point but i'm not going to make a decision on recommendations to how to view this at this time but i think we need to be aware of it so that when we finish up the budget and work on our particularly the benefits portion of the appropriation we can make sure we do the right numbers that's where you cheer is coming from this one and the other question is for the chair or chief regarding the administrative program area is there any you have a measurement about the amount of complaints or letters of concern to the the sent to you or the police commission regarding the officers is that something that you know the goal of this we don't know complaints no i don't have the answer for you at this time mr chairman but if you want to i can go back to my department and and get the yeah i thought the number for you  e we would appreciate any chief from a standpoint of understanding of where the community is with the parliament and again it's not a grading issue or anything it's and sustain a sufficient workforce has a success measure of a percentage of internal investigations completed within ninety days or less so that's kind of what they're what their control measure is is how quickly they're they're investigating and dealing with these complaints that they're they're having maybe not necessarily the number of complaints but what is in their control more of his how quickly they deal with those complaints but i think that's a valid concern the committee would have as far as the number of complaints ways we can continue to support is by being informed of what's going on so again it's just a request for information not a statement of anything of any type thank you thank you explanation is based on budget directors analysis sure mr cherry looking at nine one zero zero one eight six zero two two gasoline diesel oil reduction of one hundred fifty two thousand and forty five dollars in their budgeted listed in your budget details from the numbers that i had at the end of fiscal year fourteen before finance did their final adjustments so you'll see it's not exactly that ten percent but and mr chairman you know this since this question  is come up and we're getting a little bit more used to a budgetary inflation schedule as far as the fuel lecture city those kind of things and where we're seeing the reductions sometimes instead of increases have directed my staff what we're going to do for next fiscal year is not strictly just look at the f y fourteen the previous years actually but the to the average of the two previous years actually i think it'll  it'll deal with some of these drastic fluctuations like you see as an example in this page where fiscal year two thousand and thirteen actuals were actually five hundred seventy thousand dollars so even though there is  dollars but when we look at the details of the transactions in maybe see that oh maybe an invoice was paid you know prior to june thirtieth of two thousand and thirteen so that's why the  higher or you know maybe two thousand and twelve one was low because there was a payment that was made after the end of the fiscal year those kind of fluctuations i i do want to make sure that departments have enough  resources to cover their budgets as far as the fuel and electricity is concerned but again trying to keep it consistent so that we aren't just seeing inflation being a positive thing it also can be a negative thing based on the actual usage and hopefully the fuel efficiencies of the the v six is that they have now we can see as a possible you know area of savings to this operation yet with the current budget level we have two hundred fifty seven thousand dollars remaining in that line and it appears a police has about one hundred sixty five thousand of them so i would i would think we can adjust downwards a little bit but but to your earlier point on the gasoline and diesel we've got forty percent left there so i'm not sure i would take it down by the the four hundred fifty two i think it could probably be adjusted a little bit less than that so it probably all evens out but i know mr tuck a high she does a very good job of making these lines match up as often as he can so with right now our total vacancies forty eight so if you break it down we have an authorized position all five hundred sixteen and the actual employed have do you have it broken down by your program areas no no we don't do that but we can get that information for you mr chair yes because we'd like to see where the impact is on your budget as well as your program so it fits more on the uniformed services versus the investigative services that will be helpful for us chief yes we'll do that thank you very much mean commentary chair but it focused on this particular program was the vice division and what they investigate and the morals offenses i think the wording was i was just curious as to what that meant  particular ok thank you very much and i'm actually cheer back to a i was just noticing blanks in the different salaries that did not have a collective bargaining agreement or  a good catch you see that the bargaining unit number is either twelve for the police officers thirteen or three is where you see that there's no change in the salaries that's  maybe additional resources for education or something something because i would like to nip it earlier than leader to protect her use because there's a lot of scumbags of this my colleague mr cannot be overly county supervisor cannot be used as a question in the scumbags and i know we have influence from south america and asia also that impacts your department's operation so you have any comments you could share this afternoon  security association and in human trafficking that's more related to the area to deal with looking at and i gang is more and i went on as and i like to see it in not only in the private sector but also in the level three and he's used by our special response team i gave is based on the rotation policy and we needed seven for these folks and i know when i was a young commander they always remember councilmen in victory and always say we need the best equipment for them folks so we do stay on top of our rotation our policy to make sure that our officers have the proper equipment and what is the normal disposal requests for police response as you know that technology has been almost a base for a lot of work and there are those out there that use it to take advantages of the n s a and but the cyber attack as we concern and we continue training the joint terrorism task force has been informing us they pass intelligence to us is what is going on nationwide and outside of the united states and now we we do keep track of it we say in our offices that  difference lady and i know the police are requested in a number of various how much of that do we get reimbursed for i don't know if this question should be here someplace else i apologize i don't  bill at that point in time my goodness so ok i just want to question that if we got any kind of and there's nothing set up for reimbursement purposes for any of the local municipalities dignitaries of that statue coming you would request examiner to conduct on the department's b f this is where the money would come from sir yes mr  key because i think the chief is actually the coroner by the law and not to be confused with the medical examiner you know it's not like quincy  fifteen twenty eight could you share with us what is covered by a line in the top line for professional services and the amount of four hundred ninety thousand this year and you're asking for an increase of one thousand current members equipment for the chief in this program area if not let us move to his big board the uniform for troops services program any comments on your accounts or thank you just a general question you know that years that i've been here we often look at and are concerned about vacancies could you comment it sounds like you're doing a lot of recruiting expansion position but what we're looking at is what we can do with what we have let's focus on the vacancies if we can feel the vacancies the services that we provided improve you know based on that and once we do we feel them can seize i'm hoping that we can do it by next year i don't think the stuff wanted to hear that because there's a lot of work involved but i'm hoping we can get you status now  right now though as i mentioned earlier we have five hundred sixteen position we have four hundred and sixty eight in the books right now so we have forty eight that is a total of year funding there was a little bit left over of that money is to pay for a quarter of fiscal year two thousand and fifteen so that's why the position for fiscal year two thousand and fifteen was three quarters funded by the  county and a quarter funded by the feds that money has now run out so it needs to be fully funded by the county and that was part of the initial agreement in receipt of those funds is that we does continue it was just nice for a while to have it being paid vice for somebody else but i want to be fair because i understand the and i know what you've seen but we need to have our community understand  if you are the chief came and give us a brief description of what the cops grant program does for the community our frontline police officers those that respond to complain that happen and they pretty much it's a quick fix but the community oriented police officers are officers that work with the community to find the solution part of a stimulus package sharing a new law enforcement i recall that very distinctly but discuss probably was it really a different more for the community then really officers on the on the beat and it sounds like they're related to me th motorcycles so i know the in transition the following the mainland to here and the we had to take over the program so you can get all the policies and everything in place and then we'll start the recruitment but the motorcycle has been purchase they should be on their way it's just make sure that none of the council members are allowed to take it for a test drive ok yes it would but  on page fifteen to sixty three sir there the funding that we asking is for the ground maintenance of our facility there yes you know we the facility has a ten acres and a lot of ground to cover and station warranty period of the facility had included landscaping for a certain period of time but now covering those landscaping activities as well so that's why there's a significant increase it's not just like a different things like that we can get through how much would you mind skipping class for this campus area i'd have to work with engineering division of public works to get a total cost but i believe that there's at least two individuals there pretty much full time assigned to keeping the landscaping in the outside of this facility clean as well as the staff from the janitorial staff within the city also go out there and i see them doing some cleaning and things as well and the exterior of the of the building i think it's kind of a joint function now they get everybody to kind of pitch in to get it done just reading the elevator and the water conditioning that contributed to the cost but yes mr chair that is one hundred fifteen thousand dollars for janitorial services and ninety three thousand dollars for grounds maintenance ok thank you for that  chief fifteen to sixty two please professional services can you give us some comment on this need for additional blood draws impact on operational expenses are going to be and i don't recall getting much of a explanation with the c i p but the the landscaping was one of the the shocks that we saw lot in last year's budget and so you know i understand we have to do these kinds of things but this should all have been presented to us when the when the play station was brought to us in the beginning  but one of the savings that i think we should be able to take is that in the electricity of the cookie police station i believe this is the number because it's the four hundred forty thousand number i'm by recall we've only used two hundred six thousand so far this year so we should only need  can be seen as a bit of an offset to the increase in the maintenance costs fourteen the facility wasn't fully occupied it's still not fully occupied but doing still collecting the amount of city usage and it was growing and still growing a little bit but great you're right mr chair it's not going to quite grow to that the additions and i guess this expansion sixty three thousand is under you know for a patrol services program than the other the fifteen thousand is under the technical support services so i'm just wondering but as for the same key hey building so just curious why it's under two different programs but it seems to be addressing the same building for the c you know ones janitorial in doors the other because we want to make sure that you can perform your duties definitely mr cho team members any questions regarding the county and his requests again it is all under replacement category kicked off april last six until may fifth and then as far as dash mounted camera traffic section and testing that out and to see which one that will f not let us move on to technical and support services please thank you for that many questions for the chief members in this area i'm not sure if your questions by the spectrum is responsible for the three disciplines they fire the medic and the police they had or three o'keefe so it does not include the other districts lanai automatically and right now we have eleven vacancies dispatchers and we but we also have conditional office and we also we also know looking at other ways on how we component of response and we understand that thank you mr chair members any questions for the chief in this air county area hundred technical support services so you still have a sizeable balance available again and as of march thirty first and then when you look at six one three eight you are an m services country you folks are already in a deficit fifty eight thousand overspent fifty thousand so is there any correlation between the two accounts and you folks are just charging it differently or is something going on that we can make  adjustments for this this year can you give us some comment about separating and if this is something that should be adjusted to your miscellaneous account of youngsters seventy four thousand  amount is just what we are looking for no changes it is going to mutilate this fun within the next two months looks like the contracts they requested is a total about one hundred that finance deemed it not possible to pay out of the capital improvement project that the council had assigned for that expenditure so the radio shop was required to pay for it out of their their current budget and so that expenditure i promised them i would put it back into their budget but the of just notified me today that they were able to utilize  savings in don't need to postpone you know whatever expenditure they needed for the fiscal year sixteen so another savings you can remove that hundred thousand dollars thank you very much  and those that don't do it leave this department gets punished accordingly do you have questions on their operations mister think it's fair on the line above that you have two hundred fifty thousand dollars for bears and maintenance of buildings and you have ninety eight percent of that remaining i guess wouldn't consulting be coming out of professional services and he said the folks that helped design the system we'll get that cleared up thank you i have questions on both because you have fifty one percent remaining or more than ninety eight on the other building maintenance r n m there's a lot of things that we were doing with this radio project that included some maintenance of the facilities we were able to accomplish a lot under the separate capra project but under this we also did some maintenance including repairs and maintenance of our towers we've had for facilities fully treated repainted to extend the life of the  infrastructure it goes to our generator maintenance which because we've been aggressive in our maintenance up front we have not had the failures we've had in the past so a lot of things that we're doing proactively that we saving some of this  regarding the professional services we still have people on contract or we're on the time materials that they will bill us as we were getting towards the tail end of the project so they're still standing by in case we need certain work accomplished but we're managing to hold that back we also have in there some money set aside for getting us ready for the next phases which includes getting  and very complex area to negotiate yeah i understand what you're saying but the the challenges that we've still got ninety eight percent of the two hundred fifty thousand dollars for this year's budget under arnim repairs and maintenance and buildings and then we have another line right under a roof repairs and maintenance services slash contracts and that's ok the total you've got ninety eight percent left and one and seventy four percent left in the other so it sounds as though the the amount of work is being slowed down a bit as you get to the end of the project and the shift actually is in the focus of the individuals and the limited staff that we have is that we're and in the project itself we've been able to make some repairs and some of some fixes that is resulting in some savings at this point we still have work to accomplish and that's where are now and it was mentioned by the chief that there's a professional services contract that is about to be entered into do you know what those services are for and the amount of that contract we have some engineering work and architectural work being done in facilities that are going to be built or were being planned right now for as in different phases right now we're looking at the west facilities and we're ok i think would be helpful if we could get a detailing of what's been spent this year and what the plans are for the funds are asking for for next year in these three lines because they seem to be somewhat overlapping there has been the really sick numbers if i might there has been some savings because miss also paid for the maintenance of our existing radio system which she had stopped as we started to roll out we cut that contract but we let contract expire without extending so there is a little bit of savings in that it's what you have another question for the other question is sixty three five rentals fifty seven thousand we've only used seventy four percent for and we have seventy four percent remaining evils so i'm just wondering if so far this year so yes it is part of it will give you a detailed explanation great thank you thank you thank you members any of the questions the operations forward technical support services area understanding that he's for the total department head of the technical training section is responsible for ordering that taser and maintain and manage the program best that we can get on what seems to be the challenge with the existing company and why are we changing we still using the existing company but the model that we had been using over the is using that day coming out with a and by phases as we exist the models you have right now that most of the office officers are using if there is a problem it breaks down you just said and i'm making new parts so what would happen then replacing all the tasers that we have i guess the question is big to be asked do you have enough of these backup teachers that as some malfunctions and before the repairs are replaced because you're only doing thirty and it's going to take a while to contracts it's being reduced because a one time appropriation to repaint the forensic facility so if i take that back down to the two hundred twenty three thousand dollar level then they've got seventy four percent left in the in that line so i'm just wondering how much that's going to get used between now and the end of the year a small amount of that so far it seems that you are a normal monthly expense of the monthly expenses you had is six thousand dollars you have three months to go and you have one hundred sixty four thousand the supplies that we need such as food and we also have sometimes clothing for them and he does not include medical expenses that we incur when we do do we check to see if any of our detainees qualify for medicare benefits where because they haven't been adjudicated they're not convicted of anything so i would assume they still have certain rights even though they arrested do we check that if they have medical coverage that takes care of some of their medical costs or do we just eat the whole bill we don't yeah we pretty much cover the expenses and so we just you know the whole bill do if we receive a bailing and we will send it to fall that determination whether we pay the bill as all we send it to the individual because i want to make sure we  i can tell you we have sister counties whose police budget in one case because of medical costs broke their whole annual budget for one case because of the medical practice and so you know we just need to be clear on department's responsibility who actually needs to pay the bills because across the country your peers ideally would there is that the fault mental health institution for a lot of communities that it's not the purpose of the jails thank you so all you know we're just trying to make sure that we understand your program which you so we can make the best decisions to fund you accordingly and that i know that i'd like to move into investigative services i would like because i have some questions for the chief general questions for the chief in this area chance some of the the the over time reimbursement from this program is basically spell out in the grant what the grants will allow us to charge to the grant and also you just have been advised that you're going to be able to receive or these grants that we've had to write in order to go in and get these new these increased funds number for the office of used services we have fifty seven thousand dollars increase on thirty seven so i was just wanted if that's something that we wrote a new grant for or whether that was just simply an increase in a state or federal program under your program are in the current budget we have this is department of health grants three hundred ninety three thousand dollars five  in this line item is full rental and again the cost of the operation if they do need the cause to perform their duties they will use that for that purpose on page this is fifteen dash ninety five it's got the actuals for two thousand and fourteen fifteen thousand eight hundred eleven dollars and rentals even though they didn't have any budgeted item there before they did have some expenditures in fiscal year fourteen and and again i am working with the person of finance to figure out how we can keep these lined up so that you could actually reference year after year the actual expenditures thank you for th straightforward for you chair regarding the accounting this grand revenue area but i would ask if you have any questions to please yes that is same any questions members this grant but this and in particular i see for the key district bicycle patrol to i guess enhanced presence in parks and beach areas so is this the only district  that you want to enhance that because i know we sure could use this to going to into the future i know this is a very limited amount of money that this grant provides and i see it decreasing every year but and their program was up and running and i know they we have a concern for your district but what we started in key here able to look at members i would like to then move to the last component of the green ribbon which is the technical support services program what we have right now we are looking at allowing our nine one one center to receive text messaging from from the people and so that's what that grant is there for as we an professional services more for consultants to implement the nine one one other half million for professional services yes you can say that because we do hire is again in a narrative seventy six the department of health three hundred seventy seven thousand nine eleven emergency medical services program grant has four l full time police radio dispatchers so those particular people are county workers it's one of those things where it's funded by an outside source but they're our county employees chief function day do you know they also assist with receiving nine one one call or dispatch for the fire so we use them for other services that we need even there since their county employees they still are paid for and benefits and subject to the same fringe benefits that the regular employees have the limited term designation basically prevents them from having bumping rights should those positions be removed from the budget through their loss of funding or some other factor ok ok thank you thank you for that question members any other questions for the  and if there are now i commend all of you and of course i think the chief for great budget presentation and review we have completed the review of the department of thing the mayor had told me it is three things that i take away from there is to make sure that the services we provided to the community now we do the best we can and also any assistance i fully staffed in this year we have one vacancy currently right now it's in the in our pretreatment program the us the technician that goes on does the inspection was promoted since we had a retirement pretreatment so you know i just was curious what the construction inspector do for you in this area sir our construction inspector what he does is goes all out and whenever we get on building permit review overall we have a slight increase we have a lot of the increases are due to the fringes the the interphone transfers that are there if you look at page five desh fourteen we actually have some small savings we took do some minor readjustments within the various unix codes in the services that the water department does the billing services you can see there's an increase of things to direct a tale of mention that there was going to increase so we're paying forty two thousand additional dollars and at that category there was some rearrangements in the rentals that meaning our voice our office space at one main plaza was put in one index code they shifted it to another index that's a lot for the admin site overall you see there's a small increase just over forty thousand dollars computer system i mean there's no concern about capacity regarding our hard hard hardware hard for amos or anything of that nature that would cost me more money than none that we're aware of i mean the  savings rate because when i will be paying for this in the future i'm sure the director water supply will let us know if we have savings and he better have seasons if we're going to do this projects that we recently completed so we have some refinancing of old gio bonds we have some new video bonds that we're starting to repay and then we also have three s or f projects that we recently as well as the adjustments if we could for that please echnical matters relative to the challenges that we're experiencing someone who has more experience in dealing with the item that we're meeting litigating in with chair wouldn't that come from the corporation counsel fund money without council approval it's just a pot of money in their budget right now because they need me be there but if they cannot spend it without coming to you folks first absolutely and so i am thinking this is just a cost center where the contents in finance would plug in the expenses of the actual expenditure committee's questions and i appreciate the concern and we'll make sure we get the appropriate answers before a decision making that makes it makes it hard to answer what's been spent in there i can't find this line item you know what have you spent out of the eighty thousand or eighty seven thousand dollars for this year thirty seven thousand must have been uncovered because the remaining balance is one hundred sixteen thousand or thirty percent over what the budget was so don't appear that they spent much money out of that that line department of any comments you could share at this time you pointed out for us that we're just the source of funding and you know the amount of usage of the attorney is under the purview of a corporation conflict at this time we do have some storage space rental since the we used to store a lot of records at the old post office and since that's no longer there we have some rental space for some storage of documents that were relative to our consent under computer services there's a six hundred fifty thousand dollar amount allocated for this fiscal year and your request seen an additional amount but it shows and ifas that you still have  the six fifty you got two hundred sixty three thousand and it looks like you'll need about one hundred twenty eight thousand  and there's no current month expense how often that those bills come in mr director or mr necker as far as the frequency we have to get back to you but this is the this is the item that we use to water department for the services that's performed by board of water supply on a wall so we basically is just a pass through for for their services that they provide that sort of frequency and we can check with our accountant to find out whether you know it's hard to tell what the monthly is when there is or when this month have seen a or you know went through it in my committee so i'm not sure if it be appropriate for the rates and fees section of the budget or should i just wait future to bring it into my committee just look i'm just curious at how did they basis and they found that we need some updates for software and that kind of stuff but as far as it is you stand there we do meet and comply with the rest of the nation  the you have any comments regarding see a count gentleman in this program area some comment on your it's a chair we have currently we for the admin side we have one copy that we lease for about six thousand dollars and we are requesting a replacement of an existing g p s collection system we use that to to locate our or our on the ground equipment surface equipment for our collection system so that we subscribe to this one call center where we have to where anyone can call and if the or have a project in our area of our sewer line we are able to identify that the equipment we have is somewhere around five seven years the existing equipment is seven years and if you know anything about electronics industry that's all standard so we're looking to upgrade update and get more current software and it's a little bit more flexible and that it easier to download the data currently it takes a while to download cables and connect the it is something that we use countywide and currently we've we've done the ma we island portion of it and we're working to move out to our more rural communities next the one thing that did come up of interest is in public works i think they're looking to create some kind of a g p s system that also has a correction so we're working with them to try and make sure that whatever we buy is compatible with their system thank you for those members questions  to go you or mr moore to have something different on the contribution decrease no nothing different the only thing we have is that the bottom portion for that says reimbursement to general fund  additional request and add it to the manual cost it comes out about seventy thousand dollars less than what it's requested they're interesting thank you for that the biggest challenge in operations is relative to premium pay given the union agreement for bargaining unit one there was a change in the way employees get paid for standby pay previously when we had someone on standby we paid them a very an hourly rate for example if they're done it three thirty in the neck come in at seven so then between three thirty and seven the next morning they were given an hourly rate for the number of hours they were on standby contract now has it such that between midnight is the breaking point so between three thirty and midnight they get paid a quarter of their salary then from midnight to seven a m is another quarter of your salary which is more than what we were paying for in the hourly rate for standby yes can you tell us at this time program area yes in looking at the list that the department personnel services provided the list shows fourteen e p a s currently one one position has no no funding which is the college student one position was sent to d p w which was the administrative services assistant to let leaves us with twelve positions in wastewater one of which which is in the administration so we now have eleven positions in our operations and that's in various stages of filling whether it be recruiting reevaluating the position or doing interviews  please you know then i hesitate to correct me but we're getting that premium premium for standby regarding the new agreement my understanding is from the excluded from that component in the agreement is that excluded and sort of that's why i'm asking the question are we getting that collective bargaining agreement york are you aware of any provisions in the contract i'm sorry charm not familiar with that contract wade just a question if if the stuff isn't technically on standby what process is there for calling people back in when there's an emergency so whatever we have on wastewater emergencies such as tsunamis and earthquakes and that kind of stuff major events operations staff the are made aware that they are they have a co full on and and they leave it on and they actually respond to those calls they have the understanding that if they get called a bigot they get to charge their overtime in the queue many there over time but  without i mean we have basically a handful of people that's on standby at all our facilities as well as our collection system and the others that are as far as the administration side they're just on call and they answer their phones and i guess the on vacation are out of out of touch and i think most of us went to the private sector when there was an emergency and we would go on the phone and have people come in and you know they they know they're go be generated over time and then they have a sense of responsibility and so anyway it's one of those things that i i just wonder about thank you thank you very much mr whitely for the questions in this area  add another staff member out there so tell us what happens when you send the law in a person who covers for him but not being there that actually any person that's all for a substantial amount of time we we have various methods such as emergency hire or any other methods to try to get another body and able body to man that but just looking so i would like to see a good training program in house because i think our employees these are of the ability of promotions but by providing them the training and opportunities for growth within the department of a division of the choice so that's where i'm coming from as as a well is preparing for the eventual deep watch over you're seeing senior people in key areas so to appreciate that the consideration at least savings installing p v doing l e d lights those getting more cost efficient energy efficient equipment in there staff took an aggressive approach in minimizing or trying to reduce the amount of energy costs at archer and plants and as you all know the number one cost for us as far as operations is electricity and so lake lake differential in the premium so the need differential is something that you would pay someone was working through the night you know if they're on duty working through the night they would get a night differential so the premium pays anything other than their normal eight hours that they work fifty are on standby they get the premium paid if they're called an emergency then they get the premium pay but the different differential is if we have night work that someone has to do so you know  the way our standby works in our division is that we have one person on staff or one person on standby sorry that each facility however the car collection systems what happens is we have one for men and one crew so that  know when we were doing trying to justify back to the taken vehicles one of the requirements was twice a month every two weeks and so i know we met that easily so i don't know the exact numbers  where their water line has damaged enough of the infrastructure on that it causes an impact to our sewer system reaction it's interesting that the normal reaction for the public generally when they see water coming out of the ground they call us first because the biggest fear is this is so we're coming out of the ground about this and we try to let them know that you know and this is a force i mean there's no way the collection the gravity flow collection system is going to come out of the ground significantly at that pressure sojitz sometimes we do get call like i remember one liner we got called alongside the highway and we got called because our plant is their closest and the quickest a response so our staff had to respond they assessed it determine that it's a water line so we go ahead and call the water department let them know do to respond thank you for th items ranging from two thousand up to ten thousand dollars all of which have had no expenditures thus far this year that's up to about thirty seven thousand dollars  i guess i would i would appreciate if the department could let us know what their plans are for the for the items in the index code nine one nine zero two three ok said this is our unplanned any kind of events that happen throughout the  year during the current discouraged missing like or have you had any of those unplanned major situations and if you did approximately the costs is actually a compliance slash level service for we came water users there are filtration system in our key and our line of sight that required replacing the level of filters that we are waiting for your process requirements yet chair and rayna is currently undergoing this transition to a better form of filtration and filters is that a good understand for the committee yes and that is correct chair basically we had these old sand filters that were already in in the line and in the key area and what we're doing is upgrading the filtration system to  that length of the ability of compliance is that a good understanding that is correct sure it's one that is more on the affordable side of the options of what we could address this yes that is correct so for that i would say i  local plan or something yes and actually line and here actually that same time key because we have a lot of heavy users on that site and we are having a level of service for our providing a better level of service for our existing one users that's actually being installed today or as we speak and then the line will be next week after ok ok thank you for that which numbers that would see that is on page for a fish account or their equipment and share with it's unlike all the different treatment plants but the chemical filters supplies and we run into the hundreds of thousands of dollars and i know it's something that's got to be used but it's real high ticket item you know but it's i guess nowhere around getting cheaper generic brands are you know like down the cost or there isn't no way around it it's something that we're just going to have your chemical electrical systems you know understand you go to s so the this mechanical slash electrical system this is basically our central maintenance staff in which we now while back we reorganize and sixty sixty and sixty thirty one our major all just major equipment throughout the in our wastewater system that central maintenance what their this in this call what it does is it covers all of the plants whereas each individual sixty sixty thirty watt is really we have that one of the color we centrifuges that we had to replace with the one went from ninety seven hundred to nine hundred thousand up to a hundred and seven thousand so it was for one particular big large item that had to be replaced kind of thing or electricians so like for instance this when we have to rewind and that kind of stuff we send it all to american electric or an outside source that rewinds that gives back to us and then we can put it back into service him or you know hundreds of thousands of dollars and i'm sure they each have a unique situation that it applied to but it tends to be one of the bigger ticket item quote numbers or whatever i just didn't know if that was a typo like it was a duplicate of print dean or because it doesn't really break it down for what it is it just says the same words twice so i'm not really say what it is truck and basically it's just a big water chuck that shoots water at a high pressure and it allows us to do our quarterly flushing as well as our periodic flushing and this is this is monitor we as you know we and i'm sure you guys do we get a lot of older complaints and what this does is allows us to monitor the the modern age to ask which is what people are smelling from the waste water and just to see if they'd read it if it is within the standards very good very good cured any type of portable generator or any type of bigger types of equipment during emergency events and and honestly it's really like it's a particular main thing that allows us to go all during emergencies to to acquire these type of either pumps or generators or that kind of bigger equipments because of the dollar value and that's tents are for is as i mentioned earlier how we're upgrading all of our filtration systems at the treatment plants they are very the cloth is very it breaks down with u v and so basically the vinyl ten shades the units that it that the cloth material within the aqua disks doesn't degrade more rapidly to this is up for a long period of time than the stem i mean it's basically because that they have low tolerance also for us not you know we expect the community to conform to a court or expect the departments to conform to code no excuses our head works when basically have screens that screen all the large items before it goes through the treatment process and that's taken out of our system prior to it going through the biological process and all of that share our estimate is three hundred twenty five thousand dollars to three hundred dollars and we think what was the last time you got one i believe our share mr record i believe our other one is of ten years old so they're selling some good used ones on line two thousand and five models for about one hundred thousand you chair on your equipment for last year for this fiscal year and the mechanical division and collections you still have  collections for a total of three hundred fifty thousand dollars what is your normal policy with replacement once you get approval routine is that once we get approvals we tend to gather information to figure out what we need and what our needs are and then we do normally put it out right away and unfortunately this year we were went through a transition period where staff request an outline of what their plans are for the for the funds where the be fully utilized or not for that thank you any further questions man from the actual of nineteen thousand but you're not asking for any for twenty sixteen except the what's looks like what's carried over for twenty fifteen what exactly is for is a particular nine one nine zero four four six one three seven sorry what was the question again on and twenty fifteen one hundred seven twenty fourteen nineteen and then so are you carrying over this amount and why such a big jump if you or yes saw what there is in this cold does and what we utilize this for is once again to repair and do maintenance on any type of machinery or equipment so this is  any type of equipment that requires services to repair and maintain and what the underneath this  what they do is they service all the different plants and so any type of equipment that is outside of those plants these are like spare parts and that kind of stuff that needs require of me to dance it's actually for parts not so much f our employees are able to do we can service that but the reality is a lot of these types of repair and maintenance of the equipment is outside services so it's actually contract yes three seven is actually expenses that are under six one three eight services contract services and contracts it's six one three seven is remaining balance that son spent is almost ninety thousand and she mentioned last year or the for two thousand and fourteen it was nineteen thousand the year before that it was nine thousand so i'm user we see jumps like that it's because you've you've asked for a dditional money for a special project in the in this past fiscal year or this current fiscal year so i think it's cruel and i are interested in finding out if that one o seven can go back down to something is that we utilize outside contractors so that things that we can't get to like prince's major infrastructure that we need to install and within this center maintenance is actually service all of our facilities so they don't really are contract any outside contractors to do  division management item for minimize adverse impacts to environment and you folks are basing that on greece related spills we've had one in your estimate you're going to have another but my question is not so much to grease spills but just sewer itself spills khomeini have occurred because i believe i've read quite a few in the newspapers so are you folks not wanting to address that department as you know we are under our consent decree in that we do a regular reporting to our quarterly reporting to the portman of health and e p a and that identifies all the spills that we  have we've had a few spills that were because equipment failure for example when we had that power outage we didn't have a generator turned on so we ended up having the spill so those of the unpredictable and generally all of our spills are rather unpredictable we can't see you know the contributors of that grease there are some neighborhoods that just have a large usage of grease so we can tell that because when we do our daily inspections of our pump stations we inspect our wet wells and sometimes we see about a foot thick layer of creases in that that sewer line and that what wall that we have to break up and get out of there and generally it's difficult to try and stop this we have all these consent decree program t try and control them but short of sealing all of our manholes and making it system so that no one has access to it it's a challenge to stop it ok and then really in regards to your comment about power outage and not having a generator it looks like you folks are looking to purchase some generators so that should help assist in avoiding such situations yes and also the generals that we're looking at also we also have some emergency generators we're going to be when we go to work on equipment there may not be access to power so we have those types of generators also the problem that we had with our other generators that field was not necessarily with the  machinery it's the electronics because all of our pump stations are relatively close to the ocean the elements get in and we tend to experience some challenges with electronics so we're also looking to do a regular type of preventive maintenance on one provide reliable water service and to satisfy regulatory requirements for treatment plants a number of compliance and non compliance days because it took us awhile to clean it all put in the new pieces of equipment in there diffusers that little air into the waste water we were technically zero based budgeting program i would ask that you as chairs of your specific committee jurisdictions look at the goals and i would pick up check those measurements this chair will be happy to revise measurements as you work with your department to make it easier and less to make this is next year when we really get into zero based budgeting  was so and in some cases it looks as though we could adjust some are in the neighborhood of half a million dollars off of a couple of different locations so if they could be asked to take another look at their  but succession succession efforts i guess is a term that personnel uses as in people retiring you know the people of historical background knowledge of the job of the history of a place whatever and that when the you know they're going to be leaving and stepping down to mentor in training the next person in line to step into their shoes because i know places in these departments water waste water that's so  key to making sure things run smoothly for the next as you've stated earlier something had been sort of dropped because a new person stepped in was i'm quite aware of how things are ordered you know in a timely manner whatever and forget but i think it's important that departments do this succession take efforts into creating a success chain of succession or whatever the term is but i think it really helps in our departments being efficient and planning by using the existing person and training i think the problem comes in when looking for a new person and there is no budget really to bring the person aboard to have them learn from the person who is retiring and i think that is something that we could take a look at you know so much is lost when you don't have the information from the existing person passed on to the to the new one no one is totally out to lunch i think it's something that we have to take a look at but there has to be in my opinion more effort put into transition thank you know thank you for that comment we've been dealing with the transition issues  finance retirement of senior people in different positions i know there are certain there's statistics in studies about what it costs to lose and replace an employee and it's lots of money oh let's return to the continued review of the print up environmental management we should move on to a solid waste administration program  and then members have decided that once we complete the review of environmental management this evening that we're going to address and i'm going to defer  agencies under council touristic chenault which is the council services clerk's components but being able to finish tonight we would then be on schedule it'll be a tight schedule but we're back on track position c e three engineer three as we prepared just budget prior to the budget amendment being heard if we had to make an assumption so our assumption was for one hundred percent  salary if this position is carried forward we obviously would need to reduce that level of funding because it's probably going to take us forty six months to fill it just that we have under salaries  wages we do have the usual union raises which also effects to some degree the premium pay that we are experiencing under the operations we do have some increases and we'll go over that later we do have some vacancies in the division but the primary vacancies are not in so much the admin program we have  have requested one new position so are there any questions in the area code and again he also mentioned it to you to collective bargaining requirements there's adjustments expansion position your your comments say and that's the civil engineer three for additional engineering and regulatory compliance support that's the one you've been looking for all this time all right mr moto in the supplemental we had put in the i think it was  now can do because we have a lot it's always so much different than our wastewater wastewater we have a lot of structures we build pump stations and treatment facilities at our landfill we have a lot of regulatory compliance with i think it's over forty permits that we need to maintain and make sure were doing what those permits ask us to comply with for example are closed landfills you know we can have people start doing more of the inspection work the regular maintenance and you'll se further on in operation that's one of our goals is to start looking at our close landfills and making sure that they're up to what their what their requirements are for their closure permits but yet the c three we're looking project but if you have to reengineer something to that's been damaged that's basically what we're looking for this c three and also to help with compliance to help make sure that you know for example we have a gas collection system that needs to be maintain d flare system needs to be monitored there are reports that we need to submit to guarding our monitoring of those gases i didn't know about it but our gas collection system can be a very finicky system you have to check the levels of oxygen in there if you have too much oxygen you could be feeding in on the ground fire if your level of methane is decreasing that means that area has started to reduce the amount of the need to be monitoring so hopefully this engineer can help us in that type of system and i have questions on compliance but i know that it's treading a gray area and i'm not sure we want to get into that or i'm not sure what the chairs thoughts are on that from mike budgetary standpoint i don't have a problem if it's a specific thing then i would see  in other communities that become a visa so from a budgetary question i have no problem for you to at least be able to present it and then either mr can state a concern or if i feel that i mean that we are appropriate at that time i would be more let me let me just make sure try and be as general as i can see there's forty different compliance permit regulatory permits needed roughly in this is all of our landfills at all of our facilities and even that i think our recycling facilities have some level of permitting that we must so right now who handles all that permit permitting is that mister as is that whoever can do i don't know who handles that now it is a shared responsibility now and we're doing the best that we can in that regard but our engineering is very limited stuff to do that but yeah you are looking at some of the stuff that does oversee that again we're a little bit more reactionary than proactive at this time ok that gets into the other question so i'm going to do i could add one other thing just to piggyback on what mr mean little mentioned with the forty permits it's about forty i think it's it's maybe thirty nine or forty one but we are responsible for three different areas in compliance with deal which clean air branch clean water and solid waste so we have multiple permanence with all three of those branches at all of our landfills and close are there any specialized employees that are not dealing with their regulatory compliance support know specialized employees to deal with specifically you know it's been a combination of some operation staff some administration however that's been part of the challenge for us compliance since i was six i think from the division's perspective i wouldn't tend to agree with that however you have to take it into account that we're trying to be proactive and dress things before they become noncompliant and i of my background is in mechanical engineering and mr canales background is civil engineer ok and then we have in addition to the two of you have a civil engineer for another civil engineer for  mechanical engineer and then engineering support tech so it seems over the years that the compliance issue has been the driving force obviously for hiring additional staff but i'm i'm just wondering since we since this past year  mr mr key hano has moved from operations to administration right mr cowen was under that ministration program as an engineer but what i thought i thought he was the operations the engineer who was occupying the new position just created which is in operations and he was just recently promoted to assistant division chief  the division for the for quite a number of years is only had two engineers total so when at this point in time there is a vacancy there for his position that was vacant and that's one that mr miyamoto referred to earlier that we will utilize and fill soon as possible which position is that on this that's one of the fours that you referred to there the c e four there's two them there i believe it but i thought that mr cano was working as the operations engineer overseeing all the landfills force or the central maui landfill i'm not sure  piggybacks on the previous question is who's who's responsible or who's overseeing it for the entire division with the limited amount of engineering we've had he's had to be jack of all trades in a number of different areas in the position i think it's a matter of what measure of risk tolerance that we have and what measure of proactive responsibility you want the division now versus reactive and i will just say and i've said it before you know we're in a process of rebuilding the division over the last couple of years and a lot of the shortcomings and areas of improvement that council has mentioned we tend to agree with almost all of them and that's where we're trying to move and build this level of foundation to move forward in a positive way so the position we need i would say that's what we can live with and getting t landfills throughout the county all three including keep in mind when we close a landfill we're responsible for on average thirty years responsibility of oversight and inspection after we close so that responsibility doesn't go cochran just real quick your binder the narrative says six closed landfills y however each phase has its own actual closure plan that we're responsible for so yes it's we could say that we have we have five  site that is not part of our responsibility and jurisdiction two for post closure monitoring and landfill is not ok thank you for that  mr director since we have a vacancy we have the opportunity to read describe this position which is what we're taking this opportunity we're taking and our intent is to describe this and if they can engineer position to be the supervisor of all the engineers because currently  mr white pointed out we have to see for us but no one really supervising engineer that they report to and so we're taking this opportunity since we have this vacancy that was created when mr quiana was promoted to the assistant division chief to  describe that to the civil engineer five or six or engineer six to be the supervisor that oversees and make sure that we're we're complying with all of our requirements  a deputy with your engineering license also could you do some of this management requirements supervision  i'm just looking at another way to skin the kid because i'm looking at you and that's why you know we ask about vacancies  according to p p s there is twenty four feet concedes in your department overall department at this time responsibilities one of the things that you spent a fair amount of time discussing was monitoring the gas situation so i guess it was mr be able to it was mentioning it could you explain to us how the responsibilities of that engineer would dovetail with the responsibilities of cornerstone environmental company that we just signed a six hundred forty thousand dollars contract with for monitoring the gasification are going to answer mister wood with that particular contract we would expect that that would reduce some of their responsibility so right now they're filling some of that void that the sea in the sea three would f if if we were to get that position filled cornerstone is filling them corazon is providing those services so there's a lot of reporting that we need to do also that we could probably do in house if we had the body but you've already signed a contract for them to provide services so how would you adjust that i mean i would reduce it if if if we got somebody up to speed that quickly then yeah we could reduce the contract in this income or some of the funds but we're we're taking the conservative approach and you know not expecting to get the position just yet how many engineers from cornerstone know how many staff from cornerstone are actually going to be on site at any given time just one that actually comes in from the mainland comes into the side to do the physical monitoring and then we correspond by email do they spend here between the two of them so it was actually three but the the third one that does come here he at least spends at least that we care and what about the other two operating the gas system seems like a on the ground kind of thing so you do what you collect the data and then somebody is analyzing that data and so that's what i guess the other two people are doing in the in the other offices are looking at the data and making recommendations now we don't have to make recommendations all the time every day but when they do make those right when they are when they make those changes during that week he's adjusting as much as he can and then there is times where somebody like me has to go out there and make adjustments again you know after the fact after they've analyzed the data after he's made his changes and the want to get this civil engineer three and i want to be able to support that but i need to thank you to be sold and i think we all need to be sold on that you say there are compliance issues and  know because of legal issues we have to be kind of vague in open session but this is your this is your time to perform and do a sales job can  concerns about contracts that we've had obviously if we fill the position we can probably do it cheaper in house the percentage of time that this guy would be involved with that however as mr miyamoto mentioned earlier  we do have roughly forty regulatory permits that were responsible for and right now what's happening is we're relying upon many people that that's not their primary responsibility to oversee that so certain things sometimes are delayed when they shouldn't be certain oversights are happening when they shouldn't be and we're doing our best to hold it together from a compliance perspective that being said we do have roughly  ten c a p projects that are ongoing at any one time in various statuses we have probably over fifteen operate fifty operations engineering responsibilities throughout the division so that's a fifty  five with the staff we have we're not able to do all that we're not able to do half of that so things get pushed off and pushed off and pushed off into the angele it becomes an area where it can no longer be pushed off and that's kind of we're at this point because it's been like that for quite a few number of years as far back as we've looked we also have various consulting engineers on various projects the outer landfills are areas where we need to do a better job of and we're not doing that as well as we should right now either so we've had to basically try to prioritize as best we can but i can promise you that to be proactive instead of reactive instead of constantly fire fighting we need that extra position there for sure and it in the long run as mr said we can expect to bring that guy on and he's not going to be fully capable right out of the gate so yeah we did consulting projects to address things that we know we have to do next year however are our approach is to build sustainability and to build long term sustainability not just  try to get through the next quarter or the next year we want to build you know into the long term future so that's what this engineering section is going to do we're going to reallocate our intention right now is reallocating four to a five or six he's still going to be doing engineering work is not is going to be sitting back supervising he's going to have multiple projects himself put create some semblance of oversight of the entire engineering section if you will that's what we want to create and we want to be proactive about that and have sustainable compliance instead of a reactive area so that's our that's our long term and engineering thank you i just want to clarify there is oversight right now over the current engineers it is to the chief and the deputy division chief but it probably would be improved oversight with the extra position as thank you i would appreciate if you guys not tonight obviously but if you could take a look at the cornerstone environmental contract and talk to mr or yoko and see what what's possible and maybe not to mr yoyo case shaking his head so but take a look at what that contract could be reduced by if you brought this position on as far as the other one is concerned the supervisory engineer my sense is that you've got three engineers sitting there that could i think are very capable and could probably the supervision so maybe you can give us a better justification for the supervisory position because there are two separate had their engineers and his previous position if he was at the same class as the other engineer in that section so it's inappropriate that he supervised someone of his same class so it's like who you know the other was the assistant division chief ok was motion without exam which was an internal system and by union contract that has certain limitations as to how much we can increase his salary so taking a quick look reduction in the need of staffing for the landfills with review of energy oh what review was performed on the staffing needs and the and i guess it just to my curiosity when mr miyamoto mentioned that his engineering licenses in another state and that's i just don't know how the should the need come where i need to obtain a who i want through the rest of prosody process i can obtain the oil and i would have to take an ethics test and fill out the reference forms from my previous employer ok all right thank you should have bought that building is based on completed projects some completed yes do you have anticipation we did and makes two to six months completion of projects no not at this time because we have permitting issues that can drag odd for lengthy periods of time we understand that comment see you a understanding of this as i had mentioned before in the waste water both waste water and i saw the way to be both contribute to the funding for the director's office as the split i would have to defer to how that's determined between the two divisions yes ok ok that's fine members questions for the gentleman regarding there be a count in this program management or him and ministration cost and do the two divisions cover admin fully or just partially they're supposed to cover our our services fully ok could you provide us or do you know what the split is the percentage is between the two i get at it between the two dollars or go about take a look at it while others are asking questions thank you  yards so that we can provide training for our staff at the base yard rather than have them travel to our star administration office to get training we would like to have computers there that we can do some kind of a hands on training at the facility rather than have them leave the facility and then the final office furniture is for the new c three should that be p within the region the the computers will serve another function in that we've moved to electronic timecards so the employees will be able to manage your own time cards because they'll be able to have  access to a computer so they can input their own leave requests their own time and the software that the basic software is pretty much standard on all machines when we get these training dis get a cd and then you can just plug the cd in and the software with the cd will perform the training for you whether it be some kind of a lesson they need to go through or if it's just a video that a place for them to answer questions later the each facility has like the superintendent for that facility who then has to sign off and then it depending on the level it gets forwarded up to the director's office because the the the time off request off key component to this there's no off request then if they try to put in for a leave then that will kick out a problem for them that they need to resolve before sept and so how would you deal with on a one days old and you only get one guy  program big change for operations program one of one of the things of a big change was the potential closure of the sea in the landfill if you recall in february we had the closure we experienced a significant amount of waste so what we had done was this budget proposes for seeing the being done in the central valley landfill so we are identifying room for adjustment the owner of the sea in the landfill was able to get clarification on his his project so he can have he does have additional capacity for about a year it depends on how much construction demolition him but he has about a capacity for about a year which would mean that we would get the see in the start coming to the landfill somewhere in march of two thousand sixty which would make it into this current bud so right now one hundred percent is that we're looking to reduce that and we can identify which index codes have one hundred percent funny that we were reduced to somewhere in the one third level we can identify that for you so that's one of the main things that that's really changing for our father with the vision and the of course the other one is the creation of the environmental sustainability section program that pulls that that landfill diversion program and abandon vehicles or metal program out of this operation to programming creates a separate section that keeps them separate so that their funds don't get comingled with the other this operation program we do have currently we have according to the d p s chart that we were provided currently in the operations there currently is four they list for vacancies one of the vacancies actually has been filled the the the landfill which is the landfill attendant and we actually you'll see it in the e p requests and the last one we are actually in the process of filling it as we speak  one hundred twenty nine thousand for collective bargaining he did have a savings of two hundred thousand and three e p a s that you transfer in from this program to your environmental protection sustainability program so th give us some comment on page for this seventy two the need for additional premium due to the closure of  months or one third of the year so we're probably reduced it down to one third in trying to serve the contractors that are doing construction demolition the longer we stay open the more they can they can accomplish if we start cutting the day short then they're going to have to get us there week by noon in order for us to have ample time to cover that material that may have sharp edges that may puncture our parking or you know just so that we can of this two hundred in two hundred two hundred two thousand dollars to transfers from various operations repairs and maintenance so for the various  at the various landfills you see premium central maui going to from this year's budget requests of one forty nine to two hundred ninety seven thousand work it's almost one hundred percent decrease from twenty nine thousand to go and that's for another twenty five so they're going to go to almost fifty four thousand from twenty eight you're looking at l nine seven six five part of the increase was due to the projected sea indeed being open for the four years so we would reduce that down  expenditure is war in regards to what we've spent in the past it i don't have the numbers right in front of me to reduce to what it would be for four months but it is a significant revenue source for us that with the current rates that we would utilize similar l since he's not here what can you live with and what can you live without miyamoto mentioned earlier four of those i believe there's actually seventy four of those were requested  last year's budget request and those were for those were requesting an hour and fifteen supplemental requests so those are similar one of the seven as we mentioned earlier was an admin so the additional  operators i'll just go down through the list additional operator and and i to be a dedicated operator of those sites we have no operators there presently our supervisor one hundred percent of those responsibilities i can answer more questions if counsel has in each of those but in addition to that we have to mechanics at central value landfill to actually handle their day to day mechanic responsibilities that he's being done at times by assistants and operators at times or being farmed out we feel  in creating that will actually save time and money and decrease down to quit time and actually have a better proactive maintenance program at our central ny landfill much more equipment there than the outer landfills i don't believe we have justification for mechanics at the outer landfills but currently we have no maintenance or mechanics staff at central maui so this is creating that for us you need to central maui we have  landfill attendance one of those was requested previously last year and the second one we have in there now and to kind of address some of the questions perhaps mr white asked about the impacts of long term staffing at central maui and the impacts of energy you know we have looked a little more in depth at that over the last six months and we feel that there's more pressure for increased staffing as we look forward into the future versus decrease certainly from the perspective even less than a year from now we'll see and he weighs coming in there are responsibilities are increased to a great extent and when that happens to the extent potentially of two working faces being open at the same time versus one some of those impacts on long we still have to evaluate however what our current requirements are now and what we have on the books right now responsibilities as what these positions are requested for  yeah i think i think that covers all that we have there you know operations mr chair i know they believe we gave assigned it to something else which i mean yes for one for on and we give it to you and then you move it if you go back to the list we had listed it listed the positions that we wanted in priority and the engineering really was the one that we had a priority on for help us with our our goal of being more focused on being compliant oriented the han a landfill we can support from central  landfill admit it takes a couple hours to drive out there that's why that was a lower priority so that's why we did it at the central landfill you know because we run two shifts we have ample staff we would just be able to support it better on the other hand that requires a boating of someone from either you know from the landfill to get them there so it takes us longer we have greater impacts to our landfill hours when we we do that so we felt it was more critical to molokai and have someone additional there to cover to short it when we have you know someone on vacation and someone that is in there to the lines in the operations expense that would be reduced with the addition of the construction equipment mechanics positions  we have nobody on site to even perform minor i called hydraulic causes or things of that nature that could be done on site we all sourced that either to highways or to outside contractors that can come in and do that but it's it's a matter of increasing the percentage of time that the equipment is down to improve there are some line items that would be reduced i don't have those itemized right now but the block labor that we utilize for outsourcing would be decreased as well as as i said decrease downtime their intention was to basically create in addition to that a maintenance program or one doesn't exist right now we have tens of millions of dollars of equipment at central high landfill and out the outer landfills as well the central my more than anywhere else and maintain it having having a couple of guys on staff to see that and perform some of the work well in our ability to do that there will be some savings it's not going to happen immediately if we get the positions filled there will be savings towards the end of the year and certainly whatever savings we have we have councils point driven home solidly as far as distant cumbering where we need to and spending four months normally it's eight months is what the standard funding is unfortunately sometimes it's takes a bit longer than that but eight months is probably on average and it depends on position  how difficult it is to fill but these probably would be commensurate with what we have in the budget is first time we do know which line you're block to labor comes out of at this point which department repair maintenance six one three nine and service contracts has another one six one three a i don't know off the top of my head which one of those i believe it's probably service contracts that would have block labor spend as well so under six point three million you're asking for an additional one hundred thousand dollars in addition to those positions with would some of that go away some of that would go away for two reasons but first i guess the reason i'm asking is if you're asking for the positions and you're asking for the money then it's kind of double dipping yeah we're just trying to understand i thought what the end result might be i think that the there's a c and d reduction that will provide to counsel as well but four six one three nine there will be a reduction of negative forty seven thousand from that hundred so the figures and then the that's what this shows that i'm looking at the book i haven't even looked at what i was given  and if you don't mind i would like the department to provide us with an estimate of what will be written you know what what the account expenses will be adjusted by with the addition of the troops because had mentioned it was in a front transfer having come from public works public works had always tried to respond in the help the rural areas and the challenge that they've always had is that who gets priority when we are one division we need waste water and solid waste first so that pushes solid waste and waste water to the back and so that the response time for repairs it was getting longer and longer and longer and we don't have a spare equipment that just sits around that we can have one in the shop and became so long that we started going to outside contracts to try and get them to be more responsive and more proactive in maintaining our equipment so when you split away from public works you didn't get a of the construction mechanics know the all the all the mechanics all stayed with public works you know off hand how many mechanics are there maybe maybe  we can do or baker but you know the reason i mention that is if it used to do it now they're split and republic work still has the same number of mechanics that they had back when they were taking care of environmental management it doesn't make sense even at this late time of night where we control d p and we can show funding  i think mr couch is going to want to start counting the cat s a cock sure i really don't want to move any mechanics away from public works but it would be nice to see the total of this handout or is not the complete list correct because you can take a look at it if we could just get updated overall picture here would be nice thank you and in regards to the can there there i had been told in in that it was funny that you brought it up that but i don't understand the biggest landfill not having in our county not having them i have the mechanics and when the division of split out and i know mr miyamoto was around the you do outsource and you have to bring mechanics in what all these years so what have what has that cost us because they know their rate when people come into the field to do work on heavy equipment know i can respond to what happened when we did the split because having been as you mentioned iran when i did that when we made the split we advised the new director and deputy at that time that these are the things that they need to start moving towards i'm sure what if you had heard brian i sure he wanted that on day one he wanted the new department to get their own everything and get out of his business and myself and the rector our call at the time made a concerted decision that we would support this department until such time that they could get the secure you know the necessary manpower and equipment and facilities to do their own maintenance and times change directions change philosophies change they haven't been able to secure these types of positions in the past ok all right well thank you but it would be nice to have the most current rate down division heads wanted but that's not their call this is our call on policy want they're not the ones asking the taxpayers to pay we are so deliberate our decisions and that's the way it happened and i would appreciate it energy if you give us an updated thame people were getting the project working with your division on when we can see potential target the benefits i'd like if you don't mind to have that comparison do some calculations on the positions that we have there now and how much how much  in your divisions requests it's basically the litter control and litter prevention from keeping the litter from getting out to the roadway so it's clean in and around the perimeter of the landfill and along the fence line as well and interior litter prevention and that's part of our requirements and regulatory requirements by the end of each working day is paper so a lot of the people that gets the landfill if you've been to the landfill you know how when the landfill is we've put windmills up because it's so windy at the landfill paper is also another element that that tends to get airborne we have little fences that we try to capture everything but it it's not a perfect system to capture all of it so there is some other litter that assists us with being in compliance with our requirement that there be no litter at the landfill once we' yeah basically we're trying to provide an estimation of what our minimum requirements are going to be for regulatory compliance not only for our open landfills but our close landfills especially which have been in need of addressing from an oversight inspection and engineering as well as remediation and repair at times  so that's that's the main component of that increase that we have in your c e you will see it as you mentioned mr chair at all the landfill areas we put them under the landfill but the associated  landfills that are nearby are funded from that same index called so at this thing within their own staffing and resources we don't know what is them in a record contract or requirements were active we need somebody to tell us what it is we definitely have an estimation of what that is and that's the numbers that you see here and it's mainly from our own inspections that we do that we have time for we've identified areas of need it's a matter of having an outsourcing people to actually put plans and specs together and the ability to fund outside contractors to actually do the remediate repaired because our operators that we have a central and at the outer landfills obviously were even more short staffed there with no dedicated operator they have no ability to do any operations repair or mediation at our at our close landfills as well contracts for central maui there is an additional of one thousand four hundred seventy three dollars that was an increase for the clean coal maui contract as well so that so you just put your additional e p requests to us but yet you telling me you're going to need a consultant to verify their requests is that it that's i can clarify that a little bit it's not to verify our requests or verify our need it's actually to consult a paper and actual equipment on site to do the work so how much more you think this is going to cost us back from each line item there obviously we do have the reductions from c and d so there's about eight different subject codes that are reduced but there are still increased expansion requests that are associated with these or party report or i would say a bulk of it is actually from the contractor in actual field work that's required these school works and putting out requests for bid for these certain projects is a  lower component then the actual remediation work but yes it is not something that we think is a short term fix it's going to be done this in one year and then going off to worry about it anymore i think what we're trying to create a is a much more longer term proactive approach to not only identifying but also planning it and being more proactive about systematically putting it on a longer term schedule five year ten year even twenty year we would like to build up to similar to what wastewater has unfortunately right now we're probably on a year year basis at the most sometimes even six months because this committee needs to know what we are going to be committing to if we go down this path versus another path and so your projections can assist us mr athene so if you could provide that for us and the there's a number of things that we need to do from a compliant standpoint where it gets fuzzy thank you so comfortable where i was where it gets fuzzy for is that we're increasing the overall operations budget by two point seven million dollars but as we flew being requested to request it right but what we've gone through in the last couple of weeks looking at encumberances shows that roughly one point three million dollars is already shifted into the future future or years mostly in the next fiscal year but some in the in fiscal two thousand and seventeen so i think what i would like to ask the department to provide is one of the one of the items that we're going to have to cover using contractual services versus contractual services and our own employees and one of those projected costs per year because right now we're dealing with really fuzzy numbers because we've got one point three million dollars already allocated to expenses that we're going to incur in the next two fiscal years and so when i look at this two point seven how much of this  point seven is actually going to be for two thousand and seventeen and two thousand and eighteen so you know we don't have this in operations where there is not the contractual service level that we have in this department but the way we've been dealing with contracts and in this area in particular it's made the made budgeting a real challenge and it's made justification almost impossible for them because they've given us numbers that are mushy and so i you know i and i really need to lean on them to lay out what the heck the real costs are on a monthly basis going for and you know what they're not going to be exact but at least it'll give us a sense of having a more solid base than we've got to fifty here we've got another hundred over here we've got another fifty in another area and i'm kind of exaggerating but it all adds up to a new two point seven million dollars so i need i need to get my head around what the actual labor costs for our own employees are going to be to deal with the challenges and you know part of my you know as i said i'm trying to look at this budget you know positive frame of mind but i'm i'm still face with fuzzy numbers and so i hope the department can help us in the next two weeks to get our arms around it because the last two budgets we've and i don't know whether this is the administration causing this issue or the department but two years ago we were doing given a budget which obviously wasn't fully funding existing operations because the day they handed us the budget and now syria close all of the dropbox operations and so on then last year after we passed the budget out of committee with all the strings and you know undone putting all the money into one pot giving them total flexibility on how to how to spend the money  they began to put in the recycling people know that they were only going to secure six months funding for them and so it's i feel like for two years we've been given a disingenuous budget and i don't blame the department it's likely the administration had a bit to do with this with with both years so i'm happy to give the department you know the benefit of the doubt at this point but i really need to get some some solid foundational numbers on what that and what the monthly costs are so we can develop an annual budget that means something mention you need an engineer to do that and then you need contractual service four hundred fifty thousand one hundred thous so what is it that how many people do you need to secure the position that we expect your position that we're requesting should allow us to take care of the day to day operation and provide some opportunities for the superintendent to examine some of these other liabilities there within his jurisdiction the additional funding that were showing under the contractual services is to help him to get what he needs to get done on those facilities those close i'll give an example on a recent trip to to our close landfill and you know it's good that we have a lot of vegetation covering the landfill but it was up to my waist so that to me is a you know it's unfortunate that he didn't have a chance of it it needs to be cut does he have the manpower they're going to have to operate the land they're busy operating the landfill so should we ship somebody from maui over to their thought is it wouldn't be better to contract someone locally there that could handle the maintenance quire the we would have to once you cut away that layer of vegetation there's going to be other issues that we're going to need to address to remain in compliance for example if you have a lot of what what i mentioned before flagging where you have exposed trash where maybe erosion has occurred this past year has been a very wet year so we're expecting a lot of erosion to be we we had a lot of erosion basically so that money will help him to help get done the work that needs to be done on these liabilities that we have these long so it's still you have to contract on a hundred thousand one hundred fifty thousand and one of your attendants cannot do that like your employees are not  able to we would be taking them away from me if we were to close the landfill then we could dedicate the staff to go to meet lowe's and i'm feeling you know you don't provide enough dollars i mean your days are just not in compliance  and you're going to put in a new two thousand and think research yeah the replacement there i believe that is equal for equal size the reason we're replacing it is twenty seven years old mr chair the exterior looks  as our guys have been maintaining it from the outside but the interior is rusting scaling away and having some issues with our fuel systems on our equipment so that's definitely reached well past the end of its useful life excuse me mr chair would you like me to discuss the the other component there the five ton get you just give us some understanding of what you need this new equipment currently we have no trailer whatsoever on site to carry our small equipment for example bobcat more our four wheelers to take from one area to the next to do work or to even bring it for repair or ma you use the trailer daily probably a couple of times two three times a week more more times than would warrant trying to boral from another location however we don't for us from block labor or outside agencies currently there are some cajuns when we do relocate equipment as well from central to h requests for work work order requests when we can many times however the need that we have is rather due to weather wind rain erosion in areas that we have to address in some cases by the end of that same day difficult to do at times however there are as many urgent requests and needs immediately that other departments have difficulty meeting regarding this what are you spending if we could mr chair do some research on that and provide the counsel thank you very much we would appreciate that other departments are getting on board with this to monitor yet more in our refuse collection side that we use their their facilities because our tents or refuse collection tend to be in the same beach year and exam whe master like using a monitoring system for that facility you know we we we know the gallonage and our equipment but we don't specifically because no one else has access but our landfills so you don't have a whole lot of bodies in and out in you know tapping into this no we don't need it only ups are landfill equipment primary not so necessary i guess to monitor some is just for diesel fuel is my understanding this is that yes and other types of fuel so it's mostly for the heavy equipment requirements ok thank you thank you for that question any other questions in this area contracts have had increase as you as you've mentioned have increases so there is an ultimate increase in the overall proposed environmental protection agency sustainability the need for a premium as part of their educational program the are required to not required but their their goal is to reach out to as many people as possible so they do tend a lot of community activities such as if they have a function that's occurring at the war memorial for something that's going to attract a lot of that was the ideal situation to do it's not something we can force upon them based on the union contract you know we can try to adjust their hours and we have in the past for example we when you try to do it for example at the county fair we try to have them come in later so that they can then  tend and function at the county fair in the later hours so somebody making eighty five thousand dollars a year we can go on flex time just for the days when we've got a night time booth that needs to be know i'm sorry but i have people out on the road at least two weeks out of every month they're away from their families they're attending shows they're working their butts off they're not they're not getting overtime that's part of their job and they don't make this much money i just there's some days when i i sit here and i'm just kind of amazed at how how easily we just spend money without looking for different ways of doing things anyway about flextime and all of you know being able to help us when we need help in the areas of you guys many and doing all these you know what am i missed a way to sell things that helps me the people of my county a lot more amendable to what we do and when we ask for increases they know the value of it beginning to say where is the value when you've got to pay overtime or you've got you've got a sense of staff member i mean if i had to send my was actually for some outer island travel when they're coming back they're coming back late into the evening so that's a portion of that for outer island functions that they that they go to so it's difficult  to recapture some of that at that time some of it also is when staffs on temporary assignment so if somebody is out on sick leave vacation or what have you there was a temporary assignment there which we have currently right now so that goes under premium pay when they're in that type of a situation but regarding discussing with the union we have had informal discussions with them we've had discussions with the staff to try and work that out and we have had some it's mostly just for alumni to do community service events where they're promoting diversion or recycling in those locations they don't go to a lot or to the mainland or anything it's more just to support local services and as well and that's what all this time what some of these premium beings booked up on the records correct as well as operational audits that they do when they go to those recycling sites that are remote right so they're not a new bargaining unit thirteen humph and so and so for sustainability folks decided their main focus is all about diversion and recycling and things of that nature yet come to curbside and other types of diversion practices you're cutting out department when it comes to diversion and recycling certainly that new division would cover that as well as some other components potentially from the charter a address sustainability when it comes to operations based requirements where our operations staff and funding is required that basically you know it's not by choice it's by where that money's being expended in the resources being allocated to operations and as mr miyamoto mentioned the creation of this has been a few years in the making but this time around we feel that we hope that we're addressing some of councils concerns that you brought up about the difference of priorities and difference of emissions from operations were heavily regularly regulated from department of health  where it's difficult for us to have priorities that address both very well so we doing this without without additional e p a s and i don't believe that significant and dish and funding we're creating a separate division with its own priorities and goals and measures that can be identified for them and solely for them so that the recycling efforts and diversion efforts can be prioritiz area and not as mr miyamoto mentioned earlier commingled with an op program that quite frankly to me i come from an operational background looking at how that was set up you know all these years it's not surprising to me that this challenges has presented itself especially when we get lower on funding or lauren resources there's always going to be this challenge of prioritization so we were hoping to achieve here is create a separate division its own priorities goals and measures without compromising compliance efforts or having to look it at funding from there in comparing what our mission is in operations responsibilities so we hope that in creating that we're actually going to have a win win situation for operations as well as recycling and diversion for the county ok and so you're feeling like the thirty five thousand for professional services is what to figure out how best to get ideas for recycling give them a reference please oh sorry i'm just looking at narrative but page thirteen it breaks down your ex explanation of your expansion budget requests for this program so yes if i may that's page five dash one hundred sixty one thirty two freshness services for thirty five thousand yes this was an additional request from the recycling staff to come up with an independent analysis of various recycling programs that have been successful in other areas various commercial landfill diversion incentives waste reduction measures that can be done to increase diversion from the landfills and decreasing overall disposal costs for the county so this is independent from the division independent from anything we've done before to try and come up with innovative ways to improve recycling and diversion for the dollars is searching to do and so it's not the first time this has been looked at and you know i was trying to prepare this body to the department to move forward in this way i mean i'm glad that it's here and we are talking about it but it's just you know how they get around and we come back together at the table is just really roundabout way but  because there's a county out of three thousand and sixteen that is doing has already did that and what we are being requested to consider so i don't know why we're not talking to our sister counties here through our organization or other means a c m e which is a professional component of county employees association to get peter peer communications going and see for those that alre article twenty one section b of the current unit thirteen contract which is under article twenty one code office hours and work schedules section b of the current country under th this is changes in work schedules shall be prepared and prominently posted at least one week in advance so that employees affected will be informed such work schedules so before no more no less than two week period and so not be change except for good cause such work schedules are not to be considered changed by the department on this the employees affected given at least forty hour forty eight hours prior for the department in this division is there any vacancies you mean the newly created vacant yes there are five existing employees so they just moved over there's no vacancies yet and they've been doing this for many years as far as just you just change it from one area to the next but they're doing basically the same job yes we do have the supervisor of the abandoned vehicle and metals program is relatively new i'd say within about one and two years planning i agree they shouldn't be a need for premium thank you we don't comment thank you thank you that's why it's good to be informed of the contract and what can and cannot be  done that's one of the real challenges we face i mean we have to be out of contract each and every time each and every division that's right and that's where we'd be pinned on the professional staff of the departments especially those that have since we're looking at reducing costs but i think i'd like to make sure that that's part of the record in our books so if we need to if we get closer to the final deliberation that is part of our our  x here but then we got a lot of people to figure out and i don't mind that you know and you know we all laugh about it but how many of us really really really understand we had to ask a lot of questions to get even what i call a semblance of it is a transfer of four point zero five zero million dollars there is also a transfer of other costs miscellaneous regarding curbside recycling planet of sixty seven thousand format let's see what else i have from the cost that we are wastewater division pay for the handling of the sludge the disposal love to be able to take green oystein for composting needs in their own community and as i was understanding our forgive forgive me for not remembering her name dollie to support i was kind of intrigued because they're trying to take it into a community economic development type of program so they get some benefit so my thing is if it saves your division it assist them with doing a make money i don't have a problem i'd be reinvested back in that community in the program area so is this somewhere we can look at those kind of things on the contractual service or is that something you prefer to think about and maybe recommend another approach to this request from me some are regarding their need to help supplement their so to get better productivities out of the acreage that the you know for it's something we would we would want to examine for example if we we stopped the green waste in honda that could be considered organic green ways that they could then use composting and if organic farmers could use it because it's purely organic where the eco compost contains the sludge  matter in and that that is a no no for gannett certified organic uses be that reduces their market ability of their compost and it's certainly if the opportunity came to keep it green we in the honda we would certainly be open to discussions with treating how to save the county some money how to help our rural community have some economic development potential create the program for the residential benefit the needs and possibly have an educational component to the fair for bringing it up and i spoke to the testifier and i guess she the key part two was that a lot of lava over there yes so it really helps you know isn't replacement of soil and what have you this green waste and i asked why do they not have it anymore and she so that it was a deal each thing that you were in the land allowed to stockpile to a certain height or something you know so perhaps that's the issue and if solid waste you know can look into it and see how they can address it in order to keep the green waste there for the people to use it and i guess also chipping it and you know keeping that mold stuff for the people to haul intake for their uses too i guess used to be done but no longer that one time there's a chipper sure shredders the machine there but you know it's no longer so these are just a few things that changed to the point where they no longer have the to provide the same explanation on the contract contracts all services that you mentioned the money that amount to about three point nine again just looking at the length of the contract on the county grand subsidy in line on five dash one zero two they're requesting two hundred thirty seven thousand dollars and just like to see what you know who those monies are going to and what the purpose of the grants subsidies are for the total amount concerned that if you're going to create a sustainability environmental protection sustainability programme that it should be housed in one department it should be under the direction of the managing director because he has the ability to ask public works to do what they need to do and ask you know ocean safety and and the various departments to do their part in it so i don't see anything close to addressing the concerns that we discussed last year and i don't that's not the department's coolie on them but i think i'm going again left feeling like we're we're and we're moving in a direction but not necessarily the most proactive direction we could so i guess that's a question more of the managing director than it is for the department but if the department would like to respond immediately for consideration to respond back to this community because my thoughts to maybe management would have been the something for consideration but when you say media i assume you're going to send him an email at home that it was a charter member specifically saying it has to go to d m is there any way we can we can change the charter i mean we could always put in a change of the charter but if we do it in d m can we do what mr white is suggesting is have somebody at the in the management level to be a liaison or whatever but i believe the charter says it's got to be  respond actually which i think i can give you a decent response this evening say for the first time when i believe mr culture is correct and it is put into the duties of the director environmental management however the managing director is the overall director so while the function would still reside in the department of environmental management the managing director could offer guidance and he has support in the sense that he could direct other departments to assist in certain ways so it is possible thank and thank you as a follow up to what we have our discussions last year recognize the fact that the major components would be in this department that would split out obviously there they're a part of this department but simply that the that the charter amendment focus was to and in my mind was to make  environmental protection sustainability effort and we felt that that had to be it shouldn't be placed just on the shoulders of this department because it has more responsibly should go to the managing director because he has a broader responsibility and broader ability to ask department heads to do something as opposed to a director of environmental management calling up the public works director and to decide how and when you choose to implement this component of the charter thank you in additional questions members  and and to me it just focusing on our recycling isn't the total sustainability definition for one thing so i kind of feel like you know it's been the hot topic all  year and then some and it was decided through this department to create this whole new thing just about it but for me it doesn't cover the true and that word is still in my committee to define a different idea and you know the average person you talk about sustainability the first thing that comes to their mind is in talking about recycling order talking about maybe food or one specific thing but to me sustainability has to be translated into everything that we do everything they we use policies and it's a big big sea change that we have to implement here and i put in our staff so other that there's no requests for a c headcount members on this you have a burning question regarding the revolving fund components of this program area basically an revolving fund is being considered for funding to eat peas and celery adjustments due to collective bargaining as well as the premium paid for getting the transfers from  new program area and there you're the account pops from the revolving fund of looking to transfer about one hundred and eight hundred thousand dollars and you're going to get a reduction from recruiting the revolving fund for this program area or getting the rentals is there are no for christians for your community or department in for the clarification please contact the chair in the staff regarding the request from the committee this evening so mr morton any friends comments you have you ok thank you very much before we adjourned members tomorrow we are free from press what was that one thing three days into two days we are going to start the review of kept little improvement projects of police fire public works and management and then also we will in visit west smile week tomorrow evening so if there's no questions for you chair what time do we