three so you have a small thing on page three hundred keeping of chickens you just it's just in the wording in this is the way i worded it says staff will find out of south burlington has any issues with their ordinance and i would make that staff will find out of south burlington has any issues as a result of implementing a similar ordinance just because it is not really an issue with the ordinance it's whether they also page for if not what was said in favor of approving them the minutes of may first say ok i'm right they opposed so we have approved the minutes which brings us to public comment is there anyone in the audience who are and the issues to discuss to make either on the agenda or not on the a  moved to wilston back in two thousand and eight came to vermont in two thousand i've worked in the federal courts and actually shortly after i moved into the village i joined the d r b so i was a member between two thousand nine and september of two thousand and this past september two thousand and eighteen i stepped away due to i was vice chair for a while for about three years and i stepped away from the board because i was having a lot of conflicts a work travel going to d c ins and other and other things those i was missing a lot of meetings and and i just thought i was good to step away but but to be involved as an alternate i think that's a better fit for me right now i'd still like to contribute i think i could on the spot come in and contribute contribute well and all the bylaws and know the process and have that lesson to roll with it with the board the reason why we invited you in for an interview is that true was interviewed you a long time ago in the i think think that two or three on the board have had that opportunity so are you still working for the federal courts correct yeah i would still work with us probation i'm a i'm a supervisor in the office now so i supervise pre sentence of pretrial functions that's why you want to be an alternate and not necessarily back and forth so there's yeah i mean i over the course of my years in u s probation i've got all involved in a lot of national activities and that kind of takes me down to washington here and there and it's caused some conflicts especially being the vice chair when and when scott wasn't available to chair the meetings they would trickle down to to someone else maybe the obvious question you travel a lot  experience with the board is the alternate gets called relatively infrequently but it but it's good when you have only a core and a group of four people that everybody kind of knows knows the byelaws it's kind of a hard part time position to fill i would imagine because it takes takes a good amount of time to become familiar with the process the byelaws to be able to contribute to the actively and i feel like and i can do that so the step up steppin running is a great aspect of being an alternative i forget if i asked you this question way back when i first applied it probably doesn't apply to you that much but for some reason i get to ask this question of most candidates is the conflict of interest question you know how would you recognize it and what would you do about a potential conflict of interest to working for the federal judicia we were observed judicial code of conduct and we have higher regulation or higher accountability than than most branches of government we have it with as soon as you see a conflict you have to identify it and take  particular application so i suspect you'd have a very solid answer there for the questions thank you thank you very much  to seeding at eight inside and i thought that came up at our last meeting but the applet the application says i think it says fifteen now would have been including the actor space when i got out the application nationally that tonight so they will not be taken up for the viewing public we have one member absent tonight to assume family types and will go on into the traffic calming study on blair park road to see if it warranted having any traffic calming measures needed on that interior loop for the whole roads and basically  what they found was that as of right now there really is no speeding going on blair park road so the recommendation right now is not to do any traffic calming at this point but to monitor it and see if it gets worse but we're also all right now out to design for a sidewalk project that we've you guys have all picked a different alternative on as part of that project we're going to propose putting in raised the cross walks with a cross walks are going to go which one effect act as traffic calming anyway but make the cross walks a little safer more visible  can answer particulars if you have one but that's the whole study in a nutshell this wasn't anything that showed that there was anything need to be done right now so where will the raise to cross walks go bruce there's a couple  make sense where this is where the sidewalk goes designed walk the sidewalk we've done the preferred alternative but we don't have a design yet it's in design now so it would be it would be like a speed speed of the century or speed speed hump but the cross walk which is not quite as high is just a little bit more pronounced it will be marked in somebody's flat on the top so that yes for people crossing it has the same with and level space that you would part of the loop being a cut through and maybe i didn't use the term correctly but people using it to bypassed half corners and i'm asking the question i missed him point is that a problem it's a question because normally you would think of a cut through is probably not good but we also have our grid street layout and and the concept of the grid street is to provide alternatives to  public road where you can't say you know to do is discourage people by doing traffic calming that type of thing right but the studies already shown right now that there's no traffic calming even the owner of the reason behind traffic coming is to control speeds for the most part and there's no traffic on warrant warranted right now so what we're saying is you know people drive through there that's what the roads designed to do to drive through it but it's not an issue as of right now now where he we've heard that people perceive it's an issue and interfere with their speeding and all that but that's why we did this study to show what's really going on ok one of the things we looked at is the the budding  the presence of traffic that's cutthroat this is not unusual for and again in the concept of great streets and all that it's we were paired to deal with it had it shown speeding problems but we didn't see speeding issues so the presence of traffic cut through traffic in and of itself didn't suggest a problem to us and give post it twenty five  you're saying eighty fifth percentile twenty  commission so right now we're going to talk about the intersection itself that north wallsten road and now the intersection i don't remember in two thousand and twelve there was a did reduce the accidents in the intersection there was also part of that was to put in some raise islands and a few other traffic implements at that intersection which we had not done i just here now we really started talking about the whole corner study in two thousand and sixteen so we haven't done anything else from those recommendations at that intersection but the intersection has improved from a crash the end point crashes have gone down so then we came back to ok when the study was done originally a lot of people wanted to see a four way stop it did not warrant a four way stop at the time but it was very close and that's what the report even said not warranted now but really close to making awards and look at it through the big study the corner study that was done came to light so we did ask to go back and look at it to see where it stood now as far as meeting warrants for a four way stop and i don't know if i'm supposed to say i'm glad to tell you or i'm here to tell you but it does meet the warrant for a four way stop at this point at the so based on that being the case and since it needs no warrants my recommendation is that we turn it into a four way stop intersection questions for and traffic is going out there today even if we had done the rest of those improvements out there ted it would still be a boy will still be there today you know i can add and here you're probably getting sick of hearing me say this you know like consider that my intersection because pretty much every time i leave my house on in a car or a bike that's the intersection of the first intersection i go through and you know my observer my observations may or may not be accurate but it does feel like the intersection does get more traffic makes it more difficult to particularly in the morning to leave and make that left hand turn on the north wilson road so you know personally i'm very pleased i think the four way traffic the four way stop be not sure rick has some more information on the it that we normally the first step to implement this is for the board to change the words that regulates the place in the stuff and i still think that's necessary here but when we are researching this it turns out at the intersection of mountain view road and what it really should say is that then if i both north and south down in addition to just saying so and in addition or in any case there are some other changes that we're going to be coming for roughly minor adjustments corrections that we've discovered in the ordinance that we can bring to the board for public hearings anyway for example the intersection of  james brown drive is listed as a stop sign and is now a traffic light so it's things like that that will be coming forward so i think that process is those same we're going to recommend that the board appropriate time to discuss changing a two way stop intersection to a four way stop intersection is is a significant change in terms of how people who use the intersection are going to react  we went through this when route to ok well north wales and road went from a to a stop to a four way is now appropriate time to talk about how we're going to deal with that educating drivers i mean like a flashing so make sure it's done right so you can see it and know if your discretion in your job considering putting the flashing red lights near the stop signs like they did intersection four corners here  she's in her fifty's instrument during these roads for forty years just in occurred to her to stop because the stop sign this wasn't something she was looking for and i think it was shortly after that that they put the red light the red flashing lights and they have in their recommendations here  had yellow flashing caution lights before that i joined that it's a four way intersection so you know you know you don't want to do too much but will certainly look at it will make sure it's done right where it really counts  with yes you have an ordinance is required to make the change officially and if the words first opportunity even consider that will be if and they have to warn a public hearing after that so we're i'm now is to make suggestions for the preferred alternative recommendations because how long it will take to actually make it a four way stop sign some of these men actually even be done if you choose to do them before the four way stop goes and and things one it's mostly to install signage as per the recommendations flash beacons so that's all part of phase one phase two is what we recommend doing phase one get a four way stop in and then  almost four tenths of a mile of the center of the center line rumble strip which is down basically through the s corners down there to keep people on your side of the road this is not on the edge of the road but down actually down the center line so people after crossing over they'd hear that rumble keep people under lanes which is a real problem coming up through those corners which probably everybody has experienced and then phase three you know if you want to look at that as the big ticket item of trying to put a passed down through the kind of unfeasible but something you can certainly still be looked at down the road it's we're talking you know three point nine to six million dollars worth of property and everything you'd have to take so we're not actually even making any recommendations to phase three right now u signs are not a problem we have some money in capital still from the we put ten thousand i think is what we're down to an add fun now for special kind of projects like this we funded things out of before so the answer is yes and no we have money to do some of this to i am going to go back and say that since this is a circle alternatives project we should be getting funding for this we should be having to pay for this the only thing that concerns me about this and just as a cyclist is the rumble strips on the s curve because you kind of what karst to give cyclists room in this is you're trying to keep them in their lanes and one of the worst spots that's probably the scariest spot on the road is is in the s curves for a cyclist so i don't know kind of a yes it's a good point in fact and add to the cyclists concerns being a cyclist bike path per se they ask them to go back and look at that again but that's going to be the you're going to be in the you know it's so tight down through there with those ditches and everything the only way you're going to do it is to take right away and start doing your cutbacks and everything so the answer no there is no easy way to do that and as for as as far as the concerned you know i appreciate what you're saying but as far as a concern about keeping you know in your lane and sort of moving over for a bicycle this is if people follow the rules of the road they're not supposed to try to pass a bicycle is still as clear and safe to do that and on as turn technically it's probably not i understand you still do want to drees i'm not trying to but area especially through the through the curves and then once you get down into the northwest and village you know the houses are right up on the road so there are some serious constraints there which is what escalates the cost and so we talked about you know their way to make the road lean smaller i mean maybe they're already minimum know ten feet i think there are ten feet i when measured on the report says eleven feet and i was sure that i was right i went out want to make sure i wasn't crazy so that's a minimum i take it and let the traffic engineers talk to that more yeah i mean there are places where you're doing nine but that's a pretty busy road lots of volume i don't know that anybody would recommend going down the ninety for this roadway classification you wouldn't want to go below ten for the volume and the speed of traffic further questions i question it's more of a comment and it's it's you know i'm supportive of these of these phase one phase two and i actually think if you look at the price the price i guess reasonable doable that type of thing and certain work investing in our road my concern is that with the volume of traffic on that road that's kind of in a sense the white elephant in the room with that volume of traffic on the road it's always going to be difficult to have that road it's always going to be difficult to increase the quality of life for the people who live on the road and the people who use that road just simply because of that traffic volume and till we can either deal with the traffic vine which i don't think is something we can you know heard the comment before it's public road people are going to use it it's one of the few crossings of the bluesky river it's always going to have a lot of traffic on it until we could do something drastic in terms of realigning the road unwinding the road so there are decent shoulders which comes with a huge price tag the impact of what we do is it's going to be i don't want to say it's minimal but it's going to i think be dwarfed by divine the traffic the trucks that use that road i think you're going to see  point is that something that will happen when you like in a way to year and see how things are going or for what you just see what the impact of these of the of these phase one phase two for instance are and how they've if you just have done for yourself and my community a lot of living this town a lot of people who live near me and my main concern is is it is not so much the volume because like what are you going to do about that i think is a good response it's really about safety spit on her but they're going really fast up the hill and down so that's really the main concern you know there was other news study about changing the speed limit which you know that's that's the decision of this town in the study years you know i think if there's anything we can do to limit the speed particularly in the hollow or coming down the hill you know my mailbox has been torn out my neighbors my other neighbor had their house run into so i think and i know in our neighborhood street move their house back like they took it off the foundation and moved it back because their house got run into so i think that it's a real concern about just the speed more than coming north into the hollow for something to slow down in there a little bit more so you know maybe your own hauntingly having another one of those tables or or radar signs or whatever so thank you very much my name is sarah burton and i live at twenty four fifty four north wilson road we have been there for about eight years so we have a lot of experience with the traffic i have for the kids and as i was leaving tonight they were eating dinner and i was coming here and they said i really hope they do something to slow down the traffic because i don't feel safe crossing the road mommy doesn't even feel safe crossing the road and it's not just crossing the road it's going to my mailbox but i have to pause and wait for traffic because of the speed at which people travel and obviously we've addressed the fact that the volume isn't going to change on the road and we i think those of us that live in the north wales and community of the work privately ssion is small it really is a close knit community and we were very excited by the study and the recommendations in the study and i was excited to see some of the things that are going to be implemented in the in the different phases one of the things that i saw that was in my opinion missing was the restriking of the road or the re lining of the road to make them narrower and that seemed to be a suggestion that was inexpensive and could be implemented shortly that seems like that would have a positive impact on speed that wouldn't cost as much as some of the other implementations the other thing about this where the speed tables are and the reader feedback it's further north from where the hollows are and i would for my opinion where people seem to garner the most speed would be not necessarily in the straight away but more up in the hollow which is what she was speaking about something to slow them down before they gained the most amount of speed at the end of the hol s and there were a couple of recommended speed tables within that area i think on either side of fontayne lane but even if the radar feedback was pushed a bit farther south into the hollow that would slow folks down or getting to the straightaway and maybe get catch their attention near the end of the at the hill at rather than being at the base of the hell he wants more people down for that would be a suggestion so i i look forward to the slowing folks down so that it's a safer it's a safer space to to be i mean i'm not suggesting that until you have like these three that we can really walk around down there but just slowing people down so we feel safe enough to go to our you know money goes kind of things so we could make it happen but if you remember a number of years ago on the e p a and the army corps of engineers said you can't build it and get federal funds and that was so one hundred fifty million dollars project at so there's a motion suggested regarding these roads study i moved to select as a preferred alternative for the north both the road scoping study the traffic calming and multi mod to talk about this as well nothing has changed since the last time we we met or talked know of seven forty nine calf drive and authorized the manager to sign any documents required to complete the transaction in compass stocks and send and other types so the process of the board wants to move forward it has the it can provide new language to this draft bylaw i put some forward and you know if the board likes this language comp the board consider after that happens the bar can then listen to those comments that as any change that it wants to implement at that point and then new public hearing would be in order for the that's something i have seen you draft language prepared to bring up moving forward as well or with a cow look at these two items in concert so there's at least one maybe two people who probably are not an traver of the chicken ordinance some probably would vote against it i'm not sure there's majority that feels that way but if not majority rules when we can go is more or less the zoning ability to be basically allows the ability to keep chickens female chickens in a less than one acre lot size and then the the ordinance defines how they would do that is that the way i look at the way we look at this do we need them all so if we approve this does it does that allow immediately allow or when they say we approve we can't prove it because it's going to go through the process but after it goes through the process it is approved in the bylaws without an ordinance does that mean people can can practice this without any rules so do so almost makes sense to do in the other in the other or doesn't it do the ordinance first if we decide we want to do that and then i apply by law for my thinking of it it we're trying to move both ahead cook and kind of simultaneously but not have one get further ahead than the other and this is just her furrow at this point the board not taking action other than you know if you don't want to for it obviously that's an action you can take but the referral you know allows the planning commission to come back and then we can work on the timing of the scheduling of the hearings for both the bylaws and the  town i don't want to mislead them and thinking that i may you know that i'm definitely in favor i genuinely have not made up my mind yet but i think that's worth something to the planning commission i'm ok with that as well i'm probably more in favor of it until we hear information that says you know for instance we asked last time i think that the staff check with other towns populated like stuff reall my notes to the board on those conversations we have but that's ok great super i'm in support of of moving forward i do have some questions eric if you don't mind sure i was a little confused easily done by the way on in your memo under the new draft were talks about twenty twenty point ten point one is a permit needed to keep livestock on residential on a residential lot and it appears the answer is no but there are talks about livestock on residential premises are subject to twenty point ten point too and there again it says no permit is required and i just was confused by that because i thought last time we we've talked we've always talked about a permit being required for lots less than an acre what i what i did here is i left the language as playing department and planning commission had drafted and i switched out the words poultry and here with with chickens so i'd i'd have to check with them just on the intent there but i think the it may be all livestock so it may be something you want to clarify further at all right if yours is ado if i was confused possibly others might be also ok off like that thank you thank you and just do a one year clean up playing would show only the very last one twenty turn to for end out a bunch of documents tomorrow morning to the board which is includes information that's already available includes the draft license  teresa's comments on it include some hints and those i was waiting to see if i have received comments from other board members i have not yet so i'm going to send them out my i also have sales agreement now that's been reviewed by legal counsel myself so we will send out with our comments that we've we've already submitted those comments back to the  comments some of it they've made some of the changes that we had suggested and clarified some of the questions we had so we have that document ready to go out and there's probably a few other documents that will be up and send out we will have the entire agenda package ready tomorrow but we have all the stuff and so i want to get your hands as soon as possible and so anyway it is this kind of what the board is expecting as far as the issues to be covered one suggestion for a change so since we've been talking primarily about the license agreement and that was primarily i think the cause of trying to get this meeting together can we move that right after the  funding sources to get it right up front before the the conservation easements of the forest management plan so the policy issues to me is setting the groundwork and then when you go into the license agreement i don't know how much and also i don't know how much we expect to do in the meeting in other words if we set policy which you know we should have done in my opinion a year ago we set policy we want them to go back or do we want to try to mark up the license agreement at the meeting that's my i think that's the sticking point that we've had so far exactly some stream of hindsight that's why like to get that up front because otherwise we won't get it and by the time we get to it people will be suggesting it's getting late and we y certainly move forward a good wooden bridge with we had some logic to be putting it where it was because that that's the kind of where it fell in the the sequence of documents but i have no problem with moving it so you're saying after number four that would be my only get my logic is that we get to the thing that we said of the meeting for in the first place because we really haven't debated the others yet so it should be the freak me that's kind of the you know the  read the conservation easement i don't think that's going to be controversial it'll probably be interesting to go through it the forest management plan might be a little controversial but it's also i think it's at least fifty pages that i may not get to do because so long but to that's what i was thinking you know it's nice that we stuff too much in the meeting then we won't get any of the things we want to get done because it's very hard to mean like you said and have an attorney but i do t s and c's you know it's very hard to do it interactively you kind of go through one person's feedback and then you kind of go through the next person's of the next draft know it was in the you know internally ok you know setting the policy don't do we want to give somebody a full lease to the land in other words we want to give away our rights to tell rights to the land to somebody or do we want somebody to come in and run programs for the township what is that do we want to for instance just give you know we didn't plan a long discussion but i know kate coming here last time and said you know everybody i've talked to likes likes this agreement i haven't from anybody i've done my own polling i walk the bike path every night and there are a lot of people as a result and i haven't found anybody that thinks it's a good idea that benefits them now i have to say i haven't gone in specifically flag down the bicyclist or anything because of the different different constituents but people you know in normal typical residents say well what am i getting then for my six hundred thousand dollars i'm not getting a discount in the tickets we're giving the land you know with what exactly are we getting because i get i'm not really getting from a home taxpayer perspective they don't feel like they're getting anything and i'm not suggesting we don't do the deal i think it's great to conserve the land it's what we save the money for but we should make sure that if it's actually that's why we scheduled discussion on the funding sources early in this because the funding source is if the town was paying one hundred percent for this land it would have a whole lot more say any time you get a grant or have a donation of money usually there are strings attached and so we want to share with the board well what are those requirements whether those strings that are attached to each of these major funding sources so it's all of those just come to light recently oh ok all right so it we should know about that too because if we've got strings attached that we didn't know we started that makes a difference as to how we should we should spend money as well as always regulations and things  have to abide by in that time up to monies that we've gotten grants and things like that do we know those now those strings it would be good to know them before we come to the meeting i would like to know them be still there's overlap i think is the word i need between one set of programs and the grants restrictions and another so it's not like they're each one has its own piled up on top of each other it would be interesting to understand how these came about did they come about as a right of as a as a result of the way the grants were written clearly the grants are written normally to  comply with the purpose of the grant itself and so you try to when you're writing a grant you try to match the program to the the function of the grant to increase your chance of success and spill the beans too much on the good stuff we're going to talk about next week but quickly we've used these types of grants to purchase a fair amount of land in well the stand already is there is there anything unique we're seeing with the conditions that are coming this time with these conservation related grades i haven't seen the complete write up that most of what i have seen i would say no but there is i think there is some that is somewhat unique and it ties in with the fact that we have the kind of mouth or family center providing programs and some of the money is being attract that they all think we're suggesting well i shouldn't say we just say i don't think anybody has suggested that we don't provide services i don't think i mean if there's something in the grant that says you must give this little gift control of the land to somebody else in order to as a as a condition of the grant then i would say that that doesn't seem quite right something's wrong with that over the land by poor writing programs oh no i would say i think you know one could argue the other side of that as well but it sounds like are we in agreement to put license agreement section of our agenda is going to be focused whatever we wish to have in it that gets a little bit to my question and so this will be a public meeting obviously and i think it was something that w just the select board questions and interaction and dialogue and discussion we could easily fill in evening having the public participate it's going to we could feel i mean to give the input to all of our constituents about what we understand is the process and what we have agreed to so far and what we may wish to have in the agreements that go forward and there can be limited amount of input from the public at this point i think certainly we'll need to have other meetings that that allow the public more input game so you know so are we ready to move on to the mentors report if we are we can do that that we are ten months through the fiscal year and things are trending better than budget expectation in most areas revenues from what we ha budgeted most recently we got our local options tax receipts that were distributed better here and your death and for the  rooms and i'm sorry for sales tax was up about twelve percent over what we anticipated for this quarter so we were anticipating about five hundred ten thousand we had about five hundred seventy thousand  that factor into this at all or is that something that i gotta believe it's part of it you know i but we don't know how much because this is the first quarter or the first though it was up significantly last quarter as well and  was is that the taxing of amazon purchases is that we did that command center i believe that that started in back in july  yes so we saw a significant bump in the fourth quarter which is the october through december period and then we're still seeing that again quarter and that was one of our suspicions that we had and we asked for rumors about bed bath and beyond struggling financially we know that target is going to be opening at some point in south burlington that will have an impact so whatever is causing this bob hope it continues you think taxing of amazon has any effect on their business or improves the local people were worried i don't think that has any factor at all amazon's own convenience might be mistaken but it might be a companies to contribute sales tax and it's going to have an impact on the state as well as the town  so we didn't pay to use about eight hundred eighteen thousand dollars of our reserves in this year's budget based on where we're trending now and if we don't have any unanticipated expenses over these next i anticipate that we're only going is about two hundred thousand not that it's that two hundred of that eight hundred eighteen thousand that we had budgeted to use so again another year where we're adding to our reserves could we use some of the monies that we don't use to lower the tax rate or fiscal year twenty twenty we could i don't believe that we can adjust the budget that's been approved by the voters for  wanting to but we may want to be more aggressive i think we were trying to be more aggressive in twenty nine continue to try to use that and graham list estimates i've heard some estimates that are the grand less may be higher than what we had put in our budget as well so that's a good thing that we're for that would bring our our tax rate down lower than the two percent that we had so but we'll see that i'm for sure i believe they have to post that publicly i think weeks maybe twenty nine are addressing the staffing issues we won't see that until next year those positions people active in their positions until next year and we did have a large expense with that recent rain storm and right now th amount that we've submitted to fema is sixty seven thousand to complete all of that work and we won't know if that's approved for a period of time but right now we anticipate having no having the police department is required each police officer carry a fair amount of equipment and it it's difficult to fit it in the trunks of the normal police car in fact it's even difficult weigh trucks yes to make sure that they are complying with the town posted limits and that type of thing yes and the fines are extraordinarily high if it's a violation o weight limit a little bit and so they give them probable cause and they can i was asking just because i did not know that that was a function the police department  go to morrow morning it's our second meeting of the sydney county public safety authority first meeting i was elected treasurer and right now  reason i'm mentioning this now is that the authority does need some help in setting up the records and paying bills on occasion because there will be some bills work will be minimal and will be a major help to the authority as it gets we in order to implement this will be bringing back to the board a memorandum standing or some sort of agreement there's any major changes the wording we've put in there is like if they had any personnel then we have to regain a degree because that obviously would change the workload so we will be bringing back over tomorrow morning through for the groundbreaking ceremony on that and the other business if not a motion then would be an order to go into executive session