and attracting more people coming to the tech cells and very actively bit but i always like to have a fallback position if no one board to authorize someone from the town to bid on behalf of the town if no one else bids you know that the media thought of this like borders well wait a second we don't want to be in the real estate business a whole year goes by before a deed is given and my experience is in the twenty some years i've been doing this i don't believe i've ever given indeed out go i have copies of all here but there's one two three four five six seven clean then becomes ours to you i mean is that our liability by doubt after another after year and ninety and ninety days so three hundred sixty three but in that period time is the town liable for those taxes for that no no you never liable period to pay it off right by the end or they lose the property right now if you sell it let's say they're over to use your example five thousand times on five thousand dollars and you sell it for eight thousand dollars to three thousand so at the end of one year you get twelve percent interest there is almost no other vestment you can find i see at twelve percent that is almost perfectly risk free but you're saying if we thirteen hundred dollars and the bidding is ten thousand dollars so i take the ten thousand dollars i pay the delinquent tax collector thirteen hundred eleven dollars i paid my commission i pay the free press off and the rest goes into my trust account i held it for a year at the end of the year if i give it if it's not redeemed i give a deed to the fellow who bet on the person and bid on it the difference goes to the cat goes to the former owner of the property if he if the former owner of the property comes in and redeem not to go there and and bid it at that price you know the to tell the truth i've i've never had a town have to have since i've been more careful of mobile homes i've never had a town i have had to step in and there are usually there's a fairly active group of bettors that know this is a great investment i see most of them there for the short term investment of the one percent yes that's a really feel like the biggest tell you that the last two my numbers may not be quite correct but i think i had seven or eight parcels in my last check sell for the energy bill id school district and let's say the total tax came to about sixty thousand dollars for all the parcels i think we took in two hundred seventy thousand dollars some of the parcels one for seventy  this went up to seventy or eighty thousand and as i said there's a there's two or three people that are very active in this area and they have a family they have n useless land and the land over just walked away from right but all three of these are decent parcels of land this one's not this one's not built on and then if that offer is a house amazing and the only person that really has a right to redeem is is the owner the owner well so normally if there were mortgages on the property i get hold of the mortgage companies but i don't believe any of that any of these have mortgages understanding is that because there's some kind of coming out pretty soon dump trucks or whatever that we just paid them to go to doing clerks is going to drive this truck around advertise it to these shows and stuff also my comment then was well it's use truck right so i think it's i mean i think it's they're probably ninety nine percent put together in everything it's just that i did tell them you know we're not but yeah i think i mean i did i did look at you know like an r f p that other town did for actually it was for a fire engine which is a little more complicated but still you know with seventy page to list all the employees and we didn't list it doesn't mean you can ever have a deeper employee but we didn't list having new employees so it's not if you hire them as employees to do this if it's something that you haven't already told this and tell people about their subcontractors is that any different well if they if they ended up being and that's the other thing if they if they wanted to like bid on this like a regular independent contractor they wouldn't be allowed to use this computer or come in here and work on it because they'd have to actually do it outside and it would come out of two places i'm not sure which one you want to use but it would come out of either the select board budget where the administrative budget you know because normally i would think that the administration i think you to place sounds reasonable but if you did have someone you know if you did have them do it as an independent contractor i think the beard needs to be other people competing with them and having you know like a clear definition of the scope of work rather than just you know take fifty hours you know i guess they're saying to get it camera ready whatever so that's just the the feeling around the town hall i can tell you cherie pam i know about kerry i think she would agree is that you know part of the issue is that they did a really bad job putting the county more together and that they would put the package together all four of us would independently review that we would spend between forty eight hours each of us reviewing the package give our corrections back sometimes the corrections were made sometimes the corrections were nothing and some of that stuff was there not just removing comments and reports is with major major things you know so yeah i mean this year either taught them how to do a table of contents kind of thing so but they they i don't know i don't want to like i have to talk to you about that sort of like blindside you with them but i really think the process is a lot simpler than what they were doing anyhow because ninety five percent of what's there they're had no i didn't have anyone on line down but but i'm i'm pretty company here trying to find somebody who you know the good stuff like that i mean i mean i know people who do that but for different types of things well i really feel right and i just see the bright and i just think and you know i was talking to sherry and pam today actually it was like you know i don't it's almost like i wish we could do it i wish that sherri and carr think yeah i think it's good to have one person bringing all the pages together because then you're like really controlling the project through but you know the budget the finance all that stuff it's coming from me anyhow and pam has her part yes and kerry has his own pardon and then you know like the fire department and those people they give their all and they just give it to us and here it is to put it in your d n a or whoever just give it to us here it is the school would just like over you know the whole time that faith was here she worked sixteen hours a week you know the whole time linda was here she works sixteen hours a week so i think as you go up the learning curve i think you're hours are going to drop i think you would have time to do more thing house the question that we all need to answer is you know what is there to do you know i don't want to throw that burden onto him why don't you know so i think if we need a little bit outside help then there's people that do that well and the other thing i mean the other thing we don't  that either if all it is i mean if we're doing the major part because it's our pieces that are going into it if are you looking for someone like word processing kind of bring it together or whatever i mean you could you know and you know it's again that the architect builder idea i'm always talking about but i can actually give them copies of all that we batted around and argues the purchase i'd start with the purchases because i think that has a huge effect on how he operates and that's just so i'm going to be the vice chairman both of these the other two better in here i have draft ones just because i want to make sure that we have the proper conditions included in these permits they're both for subdivisions a road but the jurisdiction of the slot for it is actually just the access to the road and then the rest of the driveway to the rest of the road design is comes under the subdivision so that would be the g d r b's jurisdiction is a little weird and i have the plans for that and then the last one is for hot then again i have a draft here this one though the site for disapproving everything because it's under the old regulations so that's the curb cut access the culvert s i mean it's the driveway and road design essentially underground utilities and each use for the exception of morton because you've already looked at those each of these has and  regulations there was a requirement that each of the applicants had to submit a bond that to be approved by the select board for improvements for infrastructure resulting from the subdivision they've asked for a waiver of that because yeah it's just one question and then the part that was contingent on their conditional use permit has been as far as i'm aware because they really were ahead of the curve with getting the state involved with permit i would assume that that permit is actually just a formality at this point it almost sounds like it's just going through the approval process necessary but again they provided their comments and were actively involved in the design so i can certainly provide you talk is of the d r p use decision it was a preliminary decision they still have to go to the final subdivision hearing which they're going to be providing more details you know for certain men and provided his analysis accepted this plan but they added a modification that there would be a seventy foot seventy five foot perimeter buffer treeline buffer understood except for removing dead disease trees so that would take care of some of the visual concerns and may address some of the blowdown concerns of course the neighbors could always come back a final hearing and say they still have concerns for run up and cetera which i anticipate which is another reason why the d r v asked for the consultant to address his plans as compared with the champlain consulting plans that we have for that have to this is just for you for right now to make sure that if you want to attach any other conditions but again this one is for really the access to lowering yourself mary because the only thing i'm thinking about with this one is th be would be cause for additional water down this ditch or into this culvert but that some of the improvements that would be necessary on the talon road from me other reports increase the so one of the arguments is because the ponds here but it doesn't there's no development proposed here that it would still act as a natural kind of mob this is th are sorry that the select board would want to review the space for signing those access permits which is why you only have drafts i can certainly modify those with any conditions that you feel are appropriate and then of the road and driveway approval and then the waiver of the bonding requirement the cousteau lewis one you've already signed it and that one you also i also need to know if you're going to waive the bonding requirement and then bonding issue again bonding is require a bond requirement for the infrastructure improvements that's a burden on the applicants and we've waived that before this is what why wait and some get waived and some don't actually i don't think that there is ever been one since i've been here that has actually been required to always been waived with conditions well times are bonded those are bonded because of be so busy roads are going to be taken affect negatively the town road so this was kind of one of those ways to make sure that doesn't have the future with our new regulations however we do have certificates of compliance second meet issued at each stage of development so we have the ability now to are some issues with the bonding agencies and we've heard that it's extraordinarily expensive in order to obtain a violent you know we've we've heard both arguments that it's not that big a deal and then we've heard that it's an extremely difficult process and very expensive very much more work yeah so that's why we usually have conditions of approval you know when you can search you can certainly add your conditions as appropriate than where the software feels it's necessary to for instance the pup and since that's actually a road or even on cruiser a lewis says that's going to be partially a road if you wanted to have a site visit at a certain phase you could say the for approval is that in lieu of the bonding requirement we have two conditions that say upon completion of construction of the road the designer or engineer must certify by letter to the zoning ministry here that the road has been constructed as designed through the seventy one standards and the road policy and also that upon completion of construction of the driveway to an individual lot the dying designer or engineer must certify again to the by letter that it's been constructed as designed so that puts the burden of proof on  so it's really just pot and and this is the bonding requirement that i'm asking you to approve right now those conditions will be incorporated into your permit by city but if you want to add additional conditions to the permit this is just one part of it if you'd rather hold off if as you may be aware from the e mails that i've sent there are a couple of violations that have popped up recently if anybody's interested in the photos that were sent to me in one ninety  sure the next step is that i notify the town attorney and we take the next step as he sees fit since this is an ongoing violation it's also a violation of a stipulation order issued by the court all right so there's the built a ten by ten shack a primitive thing that you weren't living in full time or you're not to do that without a permit or going out without a permit even though you need something so there's never been anything permanent here a very primitive living situation so what's the difference between like a ten to state wastewater rules for three weeks consecutively no more than sixty days a year without benefit of the s there's a strip of land out here that that's not all by well you know i don't buy any of the surrounding property so it's probably only by the farm or the areas of the farm and then the last thing is twenty eight certificate of occupancy site visit for the addition there i noticed that the old driveway was being used but because it was under about you know six inches to a foot of snow and i couldn't tell whether or not it was and over again today and to be perfectly honest unless this comes in under a different application before the d r p i don't think there's any requirement as specified for a setback for a parking area i don't i looked at the pictures of deceiving you out there too but yeah it's really just kind of a turn around out of i don't consider this a parking area the photos that you can see where they're taken from the neighboring property those are the ones that make it look like it's a very very large the ones that are taken from the road is big it gives a different perspective however one can make the argument that the vegetation that was acting as sort of a buffer has been  to make room for that whether or not that actually is something that we can require them to reinstate without me without having application before the development review board i'd say that's more of a goodwill gesture things like that there are requirements that if you go above a two family dwelling that you need to have so many parking spaces according to the zoning and also there is that if you require more than eight parking spaces you do need you however if they get rid of that driveway access you may get rid of that extra parking so it's it's kind of a chicken and egg situation at this point and also i'm not i'm not entirely convinced that we would be additional vehicles have been there what i i don't know what they're living situation and i do know that they have several roommates but whether that's terrible area or whatever that's not anything i get involved and where i'd like to be able the the request to move the driveway and didn't leave that in as a condition to that i don't think it really was stated spec specifically that it was a condition but as part of the application it was stated that they would be  we did a joint meeting with the d r v on the d r v's meeting day and we got half of the planning commission and i don't think it would be a very good beneficial use of everyone's time if you only had three or four people to speak to  was the date that you weren't available to go right so i'm asking if you would be available for the sixteenth instead ok thank you and let me just give you an idea i don't know if you have any questions about what the planning commission would like to speak to you about but in two thousand and seven there was a sidewalk feasibility study done for the town for the flats if anybody a copy of it there it's available online or i can give you the hard copy we have brian davis from the c c r you see come in and speak to us about our options for moving forward with these plans and there are a couple of grants that we can apply for unfortunately after hearing what he had to say and getting an e mail that kind of summarized with his what the two grant options were i really don't feel like we would have i don't think that we would be able to get a grant that would allow us to move forward without committing funds there's one part that has matching grant funds that can be in kind services but the larger part of money that we could apply for has to be a cash match since we didn't budget for it this year  i have a feeling that he would really be a better situation to put that off and apply for funding for the next fiscal year so that we can incorporate it into the budget and into the  having said that there is there there may be some money available through the c c r p c that we wouldn't even really have to do a grant for necessarily called technical assistance it's something that they kind of set aside to help towns in order to update this a little bit and that would give us a stronger application for applying for the actual grants next year and while we would like to move forward with this i just don't see that we would have the money available to do it you have a pretty good film the original of the original study in two thousand and seven estimated three hundred sixty thousand for the project up to the maximum five the maximum grant talked about that a little bit and i i told them that they should review that report a little bit more in depth because they were thinking about possibly changing what the two thousand and seven study looked at in terms of root  that if we apply for the grant that would any revisions to this would could be included in that however once you apply for the grant you're committing to actually building the project so i've i've changed my original thinking on that and i've sent it escapes me but i do know that they have plans for sidewalks in the flats that they're going to build this year yeah you know so if we're kind of thinking it would be nice if we could have conic co incident projects but we just didn't we didn't budget for it so i'm going to ask mona if she would be willing to attend that meeting as well to kind of give her input from budgetary and financial aspect the direction would like to hear from the road trip as well on their side already started with the planning commission they have already talked about doing maybe if we have if we look at a larger scale project to apply for the may although doesn't really make much sense but like a phase two connecting the flats to the the center that we need a fuse ability study that i think obviously comes first so we would apply for that as a separate time these are just my thoughts on the plan commission is entirely on board but apply for again a feasibility study like we did in two thousand and seven we definitely need public input on something like that because that would be a major infrastruct later time about the walk bike summit i've presented ask yourself and also yesterday i attended the steering committee meeting for the ecos project if you're not familiar more information on where in the there is a draft indicator report which is what i have here if anybody is interested quick summary eco's is the sustainability project that came out of a million dollar hood ground transportation it's a federal grant for the county this is going to it's a three year project that will update the regional plan and subsequent other plans since we're all required to have our town plans in compliance with the regional plan were on board as a as a state call for all of the communities with engineer county are listed stakeholders and there are several o rganizations and and agencies and i guess businesses that are also considered stakeholders that are trying to put forth this sustainable regional plan and the mean it's two multifaceted to give you more of an overview right now but we're in phase four so if you go to the website and get all the information we're in phase for right now and if anybody does not want to kill another from the web they will be asking for i know that they're going to be opening up another round of public on the first of the thirty first or may first of the thirty first the thirty first the comments are on the draft prioritization criteria what they're trying to do is with the indicators measure how they give kind of like an idea of how the county is doing toward achieving these sustainability goals that have been specified in the report and that will be through indicators that will tell you how you're doing in each kind of category and what they want to do now is get information get some feedback on how they're going to prioritize those they have a scoring system which is what we kind of went over yesterday but anyway that public comment period will begin next week they are looking for a really need for it and they more public comments they get the better the report will get and also the more participation that we have locally the better they get because they have to provide in kind match for the for the gra also there is going to be implementation funds to do a project at the end of this thing that's kind of the last phase in the street your project it's not a big pot of money it's about two hundred fifty thousand dollars or so thank said we have they do come up with formulas to try to really level the playing field no matter what type of city or town you are because they're dealing with a really large variety of places so what happened on the conference call they did provide us with minutes from now i forwarded on to everybody they gave us an implementation calendar to give us some idea of some dates that are coming up they asked for me to provide them if possible with an address list for the residents underhill and i e mailed them off on the twenty fifth thanks to pay and she helped me out with that i'm and they also wanted a  n because they'll be doing a mass mailing at the beginning of this to all the homeowners to promote that and so that people don't just think it's something just junk mail they want the town logo on there so that they know it's a partnership between the town of underhill and recycle bank in se johnson so they asked for me to provide that which i have done and the only piece i'm having trouble with is fame needed historical they when they proposed as to us when i made some phone calls and it turned out that clean green does the bulk of it but they do it with the ticket system so they could provide us tonnage but not number of customers and then the other two trash dollars covered about sixty six houses they have no idea of the weight of ours because they pick up other towns at the same time the so recycle bank came out with a formula for us where they have counted for ten percent or so we told them we thought took their trash to the done we had sixty six households that did a different trash hauler so they proposed this whole formula for us to take those figures into account and use clean greens tonnage and that formula and every give them a base per household they made adjustments to accommodate for those differences and then apply that base to each and every household rather not they use clean green or know when they're ok with it and they were ok with that so what happened was accurately either right it's it's just a moment here so i had spoke with clean green and they said yeah sure we can get you the i did it all go do it once a month say i did it i did it i did it i did it and then we apply these weeks to everybody that says they did it but the key is the more people saying i did i did i did it and then apply those weights gets our kind of numbers up there's different ways you get points up when we convince a person to register on recycle bank website they get they get personally that person gets three hundred points ok then if they they have to one at least once a month that they've recycled this doesn't have to be weight or anything just the fact that they actually took recycling out ok and they have to do they have to report that at least once a month and they get so many points for that the more times they report doing that the more points they get so it's better if they report weekly but they only then they have to report once for it to count towards our point at all ok for them to be registered this whole thing is based on what whoever companies getting involved in this also offering underhill residence points for participating as an incentive so say a customer earns these points on their website they can redeem the points at a local business says so say you earn three hundred points and a local business says if you show me you've got three and recycle points i'll give you ten percent off so they try to incorporate it in several ways very good so that's some of the done with that they've got they've got some deadlines coming up they're going to have a customer service training may seventh of approximately it's not they're having they're waiting for some approval f missy johnson on some of their wordings putting this together but they think will be may seventh and what that's going to be is they would like to see anybody in the town hall that would be answering phones it's just like a i mean i like the idea when the only thing i was in here when this thing i kicked off it reminds me of like a time suck or go it's very time consuming for for john and the staff and you know i mean that's just something to keep in mind the future when we jump into these e by computer if people don't have computers they can purchase already by phone you know the timing so if they don't they don't have to register on the computer they can register on a phone call you report once a week you can just make one phone call or so and i have to call it vacation i don't have time a part time employee but i have to call it take ation for retirement reporting purposes because i have to work twenty four hours a week but they do allow me to work under that if it's they cation so it's kind of oxymoron here but so it's not really vacation time i'm not paid but it's never made allows me to take  right and then the next item is just i thought i'd start putting an outstanding items list just so it's like board is aware of stuff that's pending my desk pending to be looked at up for i contacted that person and she said that dan is going to do the present ation there also will be someone from ca and stability and mike wants to attend and i haven't been to definite from any of them on a date but it c he was out of the office last week maternity leave murcia tells funny guy and this week he was on the road so we've had trouble connecting but i do have a phone conversation scheduled with him for tomorrow morning and he said he's looking forward to helping us out with those projects i just got to find out about the funding and how it all works because i don't have a clue but i'll be speaking with him first thing tomorrow will refresh my memory  putting rocks on the back to support the banks so you know placement and also polling not least not really a few and i did check you don't need a permit for that and they're familiar with that's what they the sea just gets carried her down the road so it's just it's just amazing the way it's spreading and it's taken over fields it's taken over lots of stuff very invasive poison person or giant hogs twenty six twenty six