chapter ten you're welcome my pleasure i got hungry last  is there still more discussion on chapter seven you want to speak water go ahead i'm not quite sure where to put this but  which is highly donna by the wharf and it would became a royal compound that whole area was a royal company so the idea of a park was to bring the town as part of that we should open it up so one of tradition that designs are all there for this to happen we have boxes stick is the one you guys are making there's four of them there went into the design of this part so i want to show some support in of becoming one ocean you know what i mean like so we don't want to be different lands that they have that was part of the corral all of those lands i don't know how they ever going to develop those land because of all of the oil that's underneath those lads so  expansion of the park to get rid of in the cold just be right next to the ocean so commissioners regarding the park this was discussed quite a bit at the sea pact and it is in multiple areas as we've pointed out in the community plan so first in chapter three on page three dash thirteen action three point two point zero seven pursue state and county cooperation to update and implement them along the cultural park master plan it's also in chapter seven  page seven dash for action seven point zero three develop a pedestrian link linkage between the llama park and through streetscape improvements it's in chapter nine on page seven support improvements to balaam apart page nine dash five action one point one point eleven work with county state and federal agencies and the community to resolve part issues so i think it's it's covered quite a bit throughout the plan in multiple chapters because we found multiple linkages between infrastructure design and cultural resources so look at those and see if you see anything that's missing county a country town design guidelines do those exist or is that opening up knowing as i did as i explained they exist there than one thousand nine hundred three right so is this country tick so the effort here will be to update the guidelines are i mean it to try to draw something different than the old western style frontage is on buildings and on things so as a policy number one support the we here we would it have to open up discussion again what we just in adopt something else that looks like a strip mall or we going to create a field of moving from the ocean into town or just extending the ocean in the town i mean i'm not a does a designer but i understood i hear what he's saying and this is a looks like the logical place to put that what he's saying is the change the feel of town as being a part of the ocean we don't use a western store fronts so no i think if the problem is in all of these different sections we're looking at well i'm a cultural part was one sided in pity and what i least i getting from this in which i agree is a cultural part of the idea and the preservation behind what that means to direct the design of our entire home rather than any just being one sided in the t m one part that is being and last time i was on the planning commission the county gave i don't know who or who they gave it to but a seven hundred fifty thousand dollars grant to do a study on the park what happened to that study or what was the result of that could be added to the third principle preserve it enhance the story character because it gives some examples there renovate and story structures as a way of maintaining history design new buildings and other better and there's also a pause see that's number three maintain kind of ties business development in a story character well you could expand that into something that in connection with  or yeah ok we get to my meaning b and so it's hard because that zoning is not classified as such and so when you look at chapter seven you're looking at the community these guidelines that are in place as what jan said and what as a business district so they have that there's that they have to follow on top of that they have those the principles that they have to follow exactly what commission on the scene said that's what they have to do and when they created the  lines that was to be consistent with how that particular arrow was so if you go back and think about that era dollars in the plantation days that was when pineapple plantation was dominant and  hina is specifically in that front street area has these that they have to follow their signage has to be no more than twelve square feet they can only use certain materials what type of paint what type of color that they need so when you look into conical you want it to be consistent so you can't use matted colors it has to be a certain type of colors so when you go in everything is consistent what type of signage that you look in how you going with that but if you want to incorporate that i don't know if chapter seven would be somewhere that you want to put it put into it unless you would deem mama culture a part as country town business district but then you're taking away the because we're getting the country town design needs updating this is what i hear as well as read the first policy this is support the use of updated so moving away from the plantation  moving away from cowboy days to something that feels like an extension of one mark now we've got a lot of already existing it's going to take time to take discussion but it sounds like this is what we're trying to call this to change that i absolutely agree with you but if you go down in front street prohibited signs are they can have neon signs they can have christmas lights around they can have laser lights so you got to technology that you've got to deal with would you want to see conoco town with a lot of neon lights christmas lights i mean with open signs and friendly market flashing you so you've got to really think about it because there are a lot of in a bid technology now days for advertising for the way you want to look you're building for modernization of your exterior structures of buildings like the catholic church so you got to think about where you want to go with it what i did say take away the on things and replace them with new york flushing so that's just feel coming from the totally far out example what i mean that's when you look at country town business district and you look at business for me because i can't advertise the way i want to advertise and want to attract the people that i want to check because they're fun you got hannah tattoos and you got regular tattoos so who do you think that they're trying to attract so you've got you've got a kind of think about the ar that you going into ok i have a question for either seeable or for long range and this is specifically to the integrity of this these are in policy as it pertains to the mall of community plan so the first   is preserved and mean here in the traditional features of the building and natural landscape that reflects more history and gives the island its distinctive character but if i listen to what you just said right now you have very strict and country guidelines so how accurate is that and how much of a change can how do you think the small of her is history can we be being that this is the policies that govern or that these need to so as we identify the design guidelines need updating it's civilized said that they were more during the plantation days the design of the buildings and such and it's been that as well as other features of the design guidelines have created a lot of headaches for people trying to do projects going through updating the design guidelines is going to be a long process and it's going to come before your board before your commission and it's going to get public input so those strict structures that are in the design guidelines can be updated to be appropriate and they should absolutely be appropriate for the character and how we want to update it so i mean i think it makes sense that we would try our best now and we have a rare opportunity at this point to kind of direct what those policies and procedures going to be in the lines for future which we haven't had a chance to do you know pretty much till now we've been directed by what those guidelines are but it seems to be a really cool opportunity for us to kind of make our voices heard in this these are in policy and principle that the historic or and cultural significance of that area and actually make it known to modern day and generation a future generation what would be the historical principle of actually be known as i and the history behind that so it in a way that you can design it as such to incorporate the historical significance of that town yes thank you we have you know what we have no way enforcement here nobody does anything would just like to clarify that there is an action on page seven for seven seven point zero one the first action is it says to amend the one nine hundred ninety three country town business design guidelines so that actually comes first before you can actually do policy number one which is support the use of the updated business country town decide guidelines that they haven't been updated yet so it's kind of weird to have the policy in their brother than ted was to have i mean to the way it's and the wording of it but they do tie the number one being not very high priority action for doing that amendment the principles are a broader something that can be applied across the island where the business country town decide guidelines are only for those business country towns so i don't like the walters suggested and i tried to do some the chair real quick chapter seven i really appreciate your guys patience with the discussion about the design part of chapter seven i think that there's been good discussion on that and just a quick emphasis is there's a lot of other really weird geeky stuff that you know about as a contractor that happens and it's been a while since i've read that portion of one thousand but you know it's the incorporation of eighty eight requirements in the setbacks from the street to outdated requirements there are are really pretty people from doing just about anything it's a big disincentives and there are actually some of these practices one of the reasons we call my days because you're in conflict with some other best management practices environmentally such as parking that have been shown so it's really really awesome that we're actually looking at this in a comprehensive way from everything from how they're designed and they look to all the other pieces  that the planning department and department of public works has jurisdiction over the lexing in regards to that i wanted to segue into on page seven dash three policy number seven i think this is an important point to bring this back up because i didn't i wasn't bringing up layer when we get into going back to to all choppers where we could talk about land use but if we look at policy number seven that we concentrate future growth in and around existing development that maintains county or world standards and is located outside the flooded inundation zone we have to ask ourselves what those design of qana could you know where is our future growth of town and one of the proposals that i had made was that at the end of our process was received not enough support was to suggest the single family land used as ignitions above the project district to give us an second be done in project district is possible as well as single family so it wouldn't take away the landowners current ability to put single family in that area but it gives us some out some place where as things move strategically retreat for community design outside  discuss comic i i think that was fair we had spent a lot of time in other areas the there was a debate over the concept of mixed use and project history and the amount of this came up late in our process when we were trying to address final leg news decision suggestions and as a result of kind of where we ended up that was one of the final suggestions that i made a motion for and it just didn't have the support of the majority of the c pack members of the time for area which includes commercial and maybe some public facilities is in the flood zone district so we talked about nuclear where where would the iraq relocate to that's in the general area and it was project district is defined as provides for a flexible and creative planning approach rather than specific land use designation zx and allows for a variety of uses in accord with each individual project district objectives so that's a very broad definition of project because if something is identified on a community plan as project district the next step is then to describe the project district in the community plan like for example a monologue it's quite brief but there's about three or four sentences that describe the intent of that project project district it says it will be developed to a single and multifamily it accommodate affordable work first housing and i believe it calls out park uses other project districts for example on maui they have a much longer description where they talk about maybe percentage of uses goes into about a half a page of a description and as well as on the project district descriptions are much longer and those descriptions are to describe the intent of the future growth of that area as well as to guide the zoning that will be developed so first you describe the intent of the project district in the community plan the next step is for the developer owner to develop a code for that land you develop project district zoning and there's a three step process that goes through the county to come up with the zoning for that project district and the design and there's multiple approvals so at this point in time concept of a project district above ranch camp nothing has been defined so if your body chose to make that single family designation to change it to project district you would have to define what the intent of that area is and then the next step if the owner chose to come in they would work with the county to develop a zoning code for that area and also we you know we've been a the county looking for lemon or areas to relocate the police station and the major power center so that's the reason why you know the mixed use in my mind was compatible with that along with the residential and again with the question now if we can define the project district to accommodate those things then you know we will be open to that from my understanding the difference able to have the community and the land all or agree on on what's going on the mix use is a one or two step process in which both of them has the same means at the same in is just the process by which you go through it to get there so i can tell you right now that this commission has voted down i will say it the reason i'm asking you is if it were and we've been very cautious  and respect for the land owners to ensure that any decision we make doesn't put a burden on the current landowners so that's why i'm asking you if you would be opposed if this commission decided or the community decided that that was a great idea to change the single family dwelling designation to project this trip well i think i would have to take this back and go to our consultants and consultants and or send it in and maybe propose language and then go from there chapter ten is implementation monitoring chapter ten describes how the plan will be implemented and how it will be how the progress of implementation will be tracked over time implement the biggest part of chapter ten implementation of monitoring is the implementation table or implementation schedule and so on page  one says that the implementation table includes a description of the project or program and so all of these actions are carried over from the chapters and put in this table so it just it's the action that's carried over and it identifies priority timing lead implementation agency estimated cost and potential funding source so all of the actions that are in the implementation table i'm sorry in the numbering starts over on page one all of the actions that are on in here are reflective of what is in every chapter throughout the plan so we will update this chapter this table to reflect all the changes deletions in additions that you made to actions and the see pappa spends a good amount of time on this  on this table as well as the various county agencies who are identified as leads we worked with the various county agencies to identify timing estimated cost and funding as you can see there's a few in here we still need to get some responses from agencies who are continuing to work on that and that the role that the c pac took was prioritization you can see in  the column under priority there is ones and twos and that was the roll of the sea back to fill in the priority so if you go back to page ten  in the middle paragraph actions are identified as either priority one or priority two with priority one being the highest priority identifying the high priority actions helps the agencies focus on implementing key actions considering time and budget constraints priority to actions are still considered important for implementing the plan but priority one actions really give the agency's good guidance so we work with the c pack to identify priority one and priority t actions and we gave them this list of eight questions to help them identify a priority one actions will be action to address an urgent issue is the action required for public health and safety is the action required by legal mandate is the action required to prevent the loss of an irretrievable resource will the action benefit the majority of the community will the action significantly improve the quality of life of  residents is the action required for other actions to be initiated is the action already funded so these are some of the questions that the c pac pondered as they prioritize the actions so you now is you have added some actions and in your packet you were male this one page sheet that has all the new actions that you've added and so we need to do is have you assign priority party one their priority to as well as today you also added four actions so when we get to the end of this list i'll remind you of those and we can identify them and then also in the implementation table there are just a handful of actions that i that don't have priority and if my memory is right that is because the c pac added those in the very last meetings and we just didn't get to prioritize in that so let's start with this one page that was in your pocket and we can just go action by action and you guys can decide party wanted priority to so does everyone have so we're starting with chapter three natural heritage and scenic resources section three point two heritage resources you added in action there reads provide educational training to a county agencies on the role that the county permit process plays in historic preservation  do you consider this a priority one priority action or a second priority second to your action information to the other county agencies that deal with the permit process to reinforce to them why the how the permit process plays a role in historic preservation and why they need to forward certain things the s h p because some things do slip through the cracks so this is the county working with county to do their job be a discussion on a well i just think we already have organizations like the department of homeland and the state historic preservation who has all of these guidelines and still intact so we don't really to be forcefully seeking funding or you know looking for funding for this all we need to do is talk story to each other and get the agencies to work together and let the experts be the ones who dictate the training so has made a recommendation as anybody object to that recommendation see no objection let's go with it the next one is in chapter four immediately seek funding and develop an implementation plan to move critical infrastructure and emergency services out of flood and  anybody want to make a recommendation on that one so it's good to anybody object to that think everybody thinks that's a high priority i sure do consider that when done the next one support the relocation of the fire station on the east end  moving on chapter five next chapter nine expand police presence in the east and west end the recommendations i'm hearing one actions one next explore the possibility of collaborating with an animal rescue organization to establish an animal holding ok so that completes what's on this list tonight you added four more actions you added an action in land use identify importance assists subsistence lands and resources  here one any objections in i think it was in the transportation i don't have it specifically written right here in the bill the public parking area yes reading was funding construct public parking in a public parking area on a guy to relieve existing parking requirements on businesses wishing to expand or improve recommendation a support this but i want to reiterate what i just said that we should put higher priority on maybe looking towards somewhere out of the last thing i mention that there were a couple actions that are in the table in your binder that do not have priority because they were added by the c pac at the very end and we just failed to ask them the priority so let's run through those so this implementation table on the first page on the under stormwater eight point three point zero eight complete the konica drainage system no so page one of the implementation it's yeah these first items are c i p so than the numbers are a little out of order so that is complete the content drainage system recommendation hasn't been executed properly over the last ten years is the way to go leave it's up to the community to whether or not they want to put pressure or more like accountability to see these projects follow through because they are available but you're right and how are we going to make sure that these funding and these projects are being followed through so when you look at the columns that's why it's so important what you put down because that's to be the accountability part to see it through if that makes makes sense when you part i like for example we have one of those beautification and i think i forgot was the name of it but i know one other agency lead was office of economic development through that we had some like twenty thousand dollars to beautifying conical town as said part of the more like community plan and so they would find they'll be the lead they'll find someone on the island to follow follow that money through to see that go through so it's kind of you can i want to see how and where it starts to where it ends so just by looking at these columns and these roles this is what your ticket in it so now how do you follow through with it if that kind of makes sense to help you kind of par ties look again at the lead  look again who's the partners so if it's going to when homelands being the partners are all how can the county partner up with them to see that particular project follows through as county giving them that funding resource that helps you guys looking at that as an implementation to move forward a funding's available who's taking the lead and who's the partners to how see the project follow through from beginning to end i hope that helps because if you don't have these then we won't be able to have that opportunity to go in front of the budget to say we want these funding for specifically this project for hazard mitigation plan to figure out how if we want to move that oil from that big tanks from there to there or how do you put something in there to help stabilize that if there's a tsunami or what so i'm just going throwing all of these things out there so you guys can actually look at it again to kind of figure out how we can use this as a vehicle to push through we may get our number one just just because we're asking to put party to me everything is important so i would go one route through the whole thing but but one as a process so we put everything is as a one thing something's going get squeezed up but it's just not  determined by a leader point right so it really makes sense for us to critically look at the whole thing and make sure that we prioritize what we want to wait because because we can put everything number one because we think that when then what we do is we even in the hands of so what's your recommendation for this action to have a recommendation for priority one or two does anyone have it did i hear you say t o here to any objections to ok page six under hazards action four point seventeen evaluate build red cross approved oh and you added this which will be a pluggable here ok i'm hearing one any objections page eight under land use six point one point zero six study viable options for transitioning look at use commercial and population center away from the threat of sea level rise in coastal inundation one any objection next page eleven solid waste eight point four point zero three develop educational signage along the entry corridor or heading to the county recycling site that are here to two senses same page eight point four point zero five conduct a study to determine community preference for the county operating hours to consensus same page eight point four point twelve establish a take it or leave it station at the recycling center like those that exist on the other islands i'm hearing too many objections page fourteen at the top the nine point two point zero three courtney land acquisition planning design and construction of a new police station and a location that meets the unique needs  next page under cemeteries nine point six point zero one complete a site selection study to identify a location for a new cemetery one next one point six point zero to work with the community to develop a map of the gravesite at the wallboard cemetery here to any objections i hear one of their members people supporting point because a lot of different issues came up state services federal services county services economic benefits was kind of like there's a lot of different perspectives regarding that so i i got to respect what you're saying but i think when when this came up if i'm not mistaken from playing department the discussion peeled away from all those specifics and went to who actually charged and then wants us to term and then them the proper respectful discussion happens after that so i would say for the safety in respect of that community i would make it a one i would be my recommendation is just for far too long they get bounced around between city and county up only to proper going back to the our constitutional monarchy  cetera it's a lot of one finished business and a lot of work we take advantage of that community on a daily basis if you know what i mean when we have economic activities down there so to respect that community that would be my opinion to really settle that so  we we are addressing that issue properly i guess you're actually correct the jurisdictions a mess right i mean and who's on first right and just to answer that question in a put it in the hands of the right of short time when the last president is it has passed it will become a matter of deciding what their future looks like and what were your stiction and what's going to happen and so i think we can in this in this context either support what they want support or we want support with you know i mean there's an opportunity here to figure out what we want to do  i would say to just be safe and to because it shows that we're in support of it as a prioritization but not that we want to be the leaders of that because i really don't think that's where the county belong leaving that discussion the public testimony on the because there's that's it for chapter ten so we're going to open up public testimony in previously submitted so right now is the time when we planned to go through previously submitted right written testimony our plan is to go item by item through written testimony probably starting with a letter her face so i just play and don't again from  l i just wanted to mahalo the commission for staying really late and having many meetings including the two additional meetings specifically consider the east and policy statement you know as you know we had made comments about wanting to provide an opportunity for oaks in the east and to update their statement and have you consider it so i really appreciate that and i'll keep it brief i'm not going to go through our testimony we've submitted it three times now and you've had our first iteration since november so should have been sufficient time to take a look but i just wanted to put it in context i mean most of our suggestions or suggestions that update the plans to better reflect the significance of native wenches showing customary practices subsistence which uncle walter had talked about many times when he came up here  significance of these things being in there will help people to understand what the community thinks that about the ability of native hawaiians to continue their practices as well as to continue to be able to survive literally for many of the families and that's the context in which we make those recommendations and i know most of you completely understand that and live that every day and you know as you're a part of this community and so as you mentioned we specifically did write exactly how we recommended those changes be inserted for your ease of just adding them if you choose so yeah i just wanted to say mahalo and i wanted to reiterate that we would like you to consider the recommendations we've made and to support education on the issues that we raised in our testimony our trustee misato had brought along the four primaries that we had contracted with at the last school  do so one of them is named mike just practices one of them is a quiet title primer but it really talks about the significance of ancestral lands to our people one is water management and we have specific recommendations related to water proposed plan already has developed educational materials were just thing to disseminate them you should consider the private landowners and your visitors ok thank you thank you collette yes we have reviewed the all the recommendations and we agree with many of them we have questions or changes to some of them and i feel the only other issues with what i would recommend commissioners is if we just go item twenty fifth or march tenth they should be identical so the for the east them policy statement they're not making specific text changes if we could i would hold off on that one for our next two meetings since the east and policy statements still going we just discussed quite a lot so let's move on to the very specific recommendations and do you want to focus on the ones that you want to amend or you have concerns about because we have a lot of suggestions we might be here on one of the west yes no so can i say you have to look at both the november one and the march one let's just go to her motion at lunch after three and we have recommendations in both the november one these are just an updated recommendation let's go with chapter three updated recommendations from feb twenty fifth that says look so that's why i was theme that we've read it is the department has been aerial might be faster for you just tell it what you things are and then we fix that up and then maybe we can just you know that's what i was going to do so she said you're going to buy one but if the three versions we have are different no they're not different they're just updated clarify so in november we submitted recommendations and that's in the november letter as time went on there were a couple new additions so they're not a repetitive or different we're just added a couple more suggestions which was included in the february and march and then i'm withdrawing my motion because i don't have the november one in from it's a supplement so if you have the testimony for today or february twenty fifth it's in the so under chapter three there their recommendations they have a through age correct and this is for the additional recommendations the only comment we have is on c to add a few words of the beginning of it to read assist in developing educational materials to educate visitors including visitors engaged except era to just add some language in the beginning of that  so as it reads undersea but just at the beginning of the sentence the added assists in developing educational materials to educate visitors and to have office of economic development be the county lead on  that as far as the other ones under chapter three we don't have any concerns with those recommendations and then i'll do my motion again that we accept their recommendations for chapter three the recommendation in chapter eight the recommendation of chapter eight which for me and maintaining stream flows we've already got language says that we develop an advisory board of all the water agencies in the supervisor agencies in the regulating agencies to develop a water management plan for the island water use development plan yes when we specifically call out language that says we are going  to maintain stream flow or support mountain ocean stream flow in a time of drought we're forced to maintain that stream flow when everybody else on the island would have to cut back or curtail or stop their water usage to maintain that stream flow i was part of an instance back in california many years ago where some residents to stablish riparian rights on  and two different agencies had to purchase water to keep that stream flow going because of the language that was adopted in a report and they were able to point to it  proceedings and they were given period rights we talk about supporting diverse agricultural opportunity on the island but if we maintain stream flow we're supporting one type of that cultural activity that's traditional yes we want to support it but not exclusively but if we make maintaining stream flows  defacto creates that we can then i'm not making sense i feel strongly about this i had to come down we all share the water and if we say  group has priority on the water  then that group has water when everyone else doesn't and i don't think that is the purview of this board or this piece this commission that's decided in court that's discarded on who and water rights i think we might be stepping out of  or is considered to be what part of public trust purpose reservations for the department of when homelands is considered a public trust purpose so these uses have priority over for example commercial use which isn't considered to be a public trust purpose you know general public domestic use is also a public trust purpose so the idea and this is based upon water management in hawaii from time immemorial unfortunately the people who have priority because of enforcement issues oftentimes are the ones that actually don't get access to water and this is a generalization and in there have been wars fought on this island for decades over this very issue so i did want to say w you are concerned about identifying parties i wanted to reiterate that there are priorities legally and we mentioned that in our testimony but you know this language here doesn't mandate anything it suggest that it was adopted in the later regretted my vote that we not only install the stream meters but maintain interim flows later on when there's any question of water rights litigants can point to the board's decision adopting language and saying this is weight behind my position and i believe that puts us in a position that we shouldn't be just make one quick comment you have a great point jocelyn and but marshall you do too so let me just say a couple quick things to think about i think the fact that you said that the statement is generally you're generally basically supporting a white water coach up to one seventy four c ok ok year you just you just want to make sure they're consistent but as you're stating you're not saying this is anti diversion you're trying to support one seventy four c now one thing i could suggest just to try to be sensitive to everyone is i could run this one statement by i mean ultimately we know and she mentioned c one decides regulates and allocates all water but for the purposes of county consistency i you know i can run this by the state water director i mean th county water director and say do you have an issue with the language the way it's stated but i understand your intent i understand your intent just to clarify i know i work for the people that use water on the west side on the water plant but we put language in here we're supporting agricultural diversity and  i drive through holy hoo and i see acres and acres of fallow land and if we have to again my concern is that we have to maintain a stream flow the other side of the mountain  have we also put in language and economical water supply i mean one of the drawbacks of growing food here is that of importing is that we can't afford the water so yeah i'm just careful not to take a side such that we limit our opportunity to support that cultural view the agricultural diversity because the island needs a food bank let's let's that encourage private landowners if there's not a policy that encourages private landowners to the crease then there's nothing to support but it simply is maintaining the integrity of the native culture and the inherent we just change it to encourage just change it to encourage are that live below the diversions that are growing food and coddle and other things that sustain you talked about agriculture or early i mean agriculture earlier also it means that you support the fall in order for all and he  make it from the ocean and there needs to be a continuous stream flow in the stream otherwise they'd they can't make it up to the top and so what that means is you're supporting an equal system that allows for he by and you don't have control over diversion you don't i mean you know it's really a statement about the fact that this is important to this community if it ends up in the in the plan mixed in with the recommendations or statements that there's over draft of well water water well water that feeds come to cut and hole who  again it's such a it's not just streams that surface for you see a portion of the stream flow there's subsurface flow and but this is not related to the things that you're raising you know you're if you look at the stream water there was to be able to jump off the bridge you know and so in a in in another twenty years or even going to be water there if there's no you know no hill to maintain that something is  i think i'm hearing that need something in here about the diversions like so you want to correct some of the stream diversions so that you have flown in the lower part of the story and then i'm hearing that marshal concern is that you might be creating in the future in some ways on say oh this this stream used to have a flow and we want to divert water to it to create a float and i'm sure that's what you were saying but but i just hear that coming up a lot you know they say that there's a concern that diversions have happened and so the stream flows not correct to support the stream biota and then if and then another areas you wouldn't want to see water move to that area and then so that it wasn't available for agriculture so i don't know if there's something that you want to add to the sentence ok let's move on to be slick the only difference is regular testing and so or or february twenty fifth after the ones that we just went through so it starts with native point traditional and customary practices on page three is on my document i want to make sure everyone is on the same yet you got it so turn in page there you go  we concur in part but we think the first three sentences provide sufficient context so we agree with the first three sentences up until the bottom of the page where it ends with land use and development projects and there's a footnote fifteen so our recommendation would be just to add those first three sentences and the net footnote fifteen you have a motion do we have a second ok we have a second do you want to discuss it further so we just felt that the those first three sentences provided an adequate context for the nature of the community plan document that the rest of it was going into quite a lot more detail and we kind of want to stay a bi consistent throughout the chapters as far as the level of detail we dive into that change the strength or integrity of the statement but it's the next sentence and the last sentence not first paragraph just explicitly lays out what the framework is and then the next one which  to improve prove everything and staff recommendations redundant that it's not necessary that the policy as it stands with adequate and the second portion of d policy five we felt that as it was written either as a here and previously it was support that was adequate  i think are significant also but i got in i just think that makes it more clear when somebody is looking at this what you're counting on for those purposes sorry yes on policy five the statutory provisions at the end of it we don't have any issue with that it was just to protect and support we thought it here was sufficient but so so i just i think the comment because i went over to a policy for quite a bit i think it actually is more of a protective myth and there's only you see insurance and the word is appropriate public access leaving it the way it is it's sort of like what marshall was talking about earlier you know when you support excess for subsistence hunting and fishing it just kind of generalizes and blanket's it but there's guidelines for that i mean and it makes us responsible for that  appropriate public access provided to the shoreline and all those things seems to make more sense and in policy number five to me and here is a very passive word protect and support means that we not point we're not going to whole what is written down the truth time things may change they may need to be appropriate action that needs to be peaking or updated all that kind of stuff protect and support kind of shows that we are intending to take action and we're going we're going to stand here and to be in support of the things that are meaning believing you're insured appropriate public access because it would be covered by that you're supporting access in a manner that protects natural and cultural resources which is appropriate the ensure appropriate public access is provided the shoreline public trails in hunting areas you know that's where they're going to hunt fish and gather anyway so you just put in a manner that protects natural and cultural resources and discussion i just and corps council can comment on this but i think the way mary read it and like the way that joselyn had that conditional part of the end i thought that was helpful but i'm telling you we're going to run out of problems the county is supposed to ensure this this this covers deal are i mean you're asking now with the insurer language that the county is solely responsible for making sure this happens i just am saying you need to be careful i think what if you have it the way joslin have written i would put support access for subsistence hunting fishing and gathering in a matter you know so that she said it's conditional in a manner that protects national cultural resources and respects cultural practices i think that ensure language could get you into trouble and i would hate to see this the whole thing for now i'd like to keep the part we can support and stand behind it alternatively you could take the insurer language off and just put support in that ensure and leave the sentence as it is if you like the sentence that's the way it's written so if you the other option is to delete insure and put support again forgive my ignorance but ensuring appropriate access public trail hunting areas is that  are we saying in public properties or are we now opening up saying traditional hunting areas are now we as a county say you go you can't we have to make make it  available we say we supported the new pursuit by you know an action by purchasing land or that's the great thing about a policy as opposed to an action item this is generally throughout the plan we're supporting the idea of systems hunting and fishing and there are other relevant laws that i mean i don't think that's related to this you may want to ask this question when you guys decide on what to do with the papers that we brought the last time i mean the one thing i will say about because you brought it up numerous times is that you know the way that i interpret what used property law is that you don't get the same bundle of sticks that you may get in other places and so what that means is when you become a property owner you know the generally you would describe your rights as include you know if you think in hawaii property was privatized by the king and and under a kingdom fifty years before the overthrow so there were so the types of rights that came along with the private land ownership at that time which was transferred to eventually maybe a p that you own may not have the same bundle of sticks as elsewhere in the united states i'll just say that i mean you're talking about the one nine hundred ninety s subsistence report we're talking about three decades ago people shared where they hunted and it maybe places that were hunted one hundred years before then also so i mean i guess i'll just say that but i'm happy to have a conversation with you at some other time about the concerns that you have and i think some of them are  valid and their safety issues particularly but yeah next one you have a concern about h we're fine with i we would recommend adding shoreline to policy five rather than adding a new policy that's f jay we do not agree with the evaluation of impacts in natural cultural resources from land use changes and development of public infrastructure and facilities is already or quired by existing regulations including chapter three four three chapter two point zero two zero five eight section sixty as well as my county code we just feel that that is an unnecessary policy sense it's already covered by existing laws i mean i mean if we don't see what we need in a community plan and we don't match what happens when the laws change i think chapter three for three our environmental assessment we never ever are going to win with our population if you put up something that the entire called he gets to vote on and so the heating our future has not been something that has been offered to us on many occasions and so i just kind of leery would just be my so i'll just add one thing what i'm hearing from our commissioner do is she wants this to reflect this this plan to be a reflection of what this community thinks and so and to be clear chapter three forty three and five are constantly attacked at the legislature that's what i do you when i'm not here i work at the legislature i monitor all the bills that are introduced so her question is a valid one because there are constantly attempts to water down environmental review laws and chapter two a five so what i'm hearing from the commissioner is that she wants the language of your document to be one that makes clear what is important to you and so that's all i say  i don't think so can mary do you have any comment motion to make a recommendation to leave recommendation as it is with the exception of trying to remember which one was not but i think it was resources section three point three so keep their recommendation but just located in the siena grecian resources section and then i mention i rather than adding a new policy just to add the word and i as recommended by the department motion is to leave a j as they recommended correct c under b you're adding a new policy i don't believe that the action under c is necessary that the policy can cover it gin and i just trying to think this all those in courage participation from the community to get a better quality of life as opposed to just putting on a policy in which is mandated by government and private landowners and in these don't really have a collaborative effort in coming up with what kinds of ways in efforts can be me to achieve that goal could it be that the action for c is is kind of changing the employee what used to which is being told what to do and kind of fostering a relationship between all these different agencies in some small way when i really read sci i think there's a word missing or something about it it's not clear to me when i read it it doesn't flow right and if if this were to be added as an action i think we should clearly discuss who the county implementing agency is who's responsible for th there's already in action three point one point one on page three that says well maybe you should have cultural leaders in there so  maybe that's the missing component of it assists with the conference or workshop of key federal state and local agencies and community and profit leaders to discuss plan and prior ties actions to address environmental unnatural resource issues and you're looking at more at access through the watershed at the same time you're so there they're protecting the watershed and they're doing the conservation  measures there might be eliminating your access that's been an issue on this island in the east and yes so this is more of a collaboration but again i would defer to the commission on if they want this is an action item or not answer question under see it says for cultural distance activities so it could be i mean the way that reads to me it could be like somebody could decide on some new activity it's suggesting collaboration to deal with some of the issues that comes along with trying to protect the watershed so it's your reading see right so this is good with this would be added to the action table it's suggesting that the state the county private landowners and cultural practitioners get together and ensure that when watershed protection projects are in place and other conservation measures that they're done in a way that provides appropriate access that's not saying you have to provide appropriate access you say that in other places and you also say many our ranch ran into that area and was stuck in there it would be almost impossible for us to get it all i mean i think this just gives kind of you know unlike most times when we've you needed hawaiian rate policies to be very restrictive to land owners and private entities and other people there seems to offer something that you know i haven't seen as trying to accommodate for other  you have concerns about the water section oh yeah i've read through this and you know this is not the water use development and my concern was some of these comments and the footnotes and all of that and we can go through every single one of these but just given the sensitivity in the ongoing and ongoing and i stress ongoing  do because i wasn't sure when we were going to get to this is to get the director to comment but i i just think is just goes beyond the purview of the community plan and i think what is written here is important and that is we did try to through the committee plan basically through narrative and everything else in our policies and our recommendations point out how credibly important water is as particular as it's related to land use but what this gets into which is very important is actual water allocation issues and water use which is fully within the purview the water's development plan i just feel like it overreaches and it's not within the purview the community plan just goes too far so i'm trying to catch up quick because this is been this is we we sent this in a couple months ago so i just going to respond really quickly as though a and b are in a section that's about problems at those actions they're talking about problems with it so i don't know if you're if you have a comment about that section a i think we already stated i think i know we worked really hard with my honey davis and other people and i think it's already stated an already worded i'm just responding to your initial comment so if it's if you don't like it for a different reason that's fine i'm just saying i don't think it's overreaching because that section specifically about identifying problem specifically related to water but we already have it covered ok and for be like for example you my question is a u s g s report came out in twenty fifteen so why would a two thousand and six report the state it and that was like just a concern i had because there is a more of the u s g s hydrological report that you guys are stating in two thousand and six and some wonder in that that's kind of my concern is that inconsistency so you're talking about the one that just finished yeah the so they haven't even done  community meeting about that study yet and that's why i would hesitate because to me that builds an even stronger case so i'd rather see a twenty fifteen report stated than in two thousand and six but again this can all be covered in the  support essentially what you're saying in our document within the purview of the community plan and then d i mean i could appreciate why you said that about  e were just amending what's already there i mean you have this information in there ready i guess is what i'm saying for each in particular and then i f is new so i'd have to look at that  yeah and i would defer to the commissioners one and i could appreciate why that was that so just to reiterate a and b and c i don't think are going beyond the scope of the if you don't like it for different  i can appreciate i can appreciate why you don't want to have that in there is just amending i don't know why you wouldn't want to have even their issues the mending what's already in there an f i would defer to the commissioners if they thought that was important to have in the policy section got regard to the department concurs with a recommendation for policy one no problem however with regard to your recommendation for policy nine this is a commission on water resources management mandate and responsibility not a county responsibility the language we have in here already is this is sufficient this level of detail belongs in the water use development plan as a recommendation for how see one can do a better job to address groundwater withdrawals and tracking not the planning department but it is important i'm not saying it's not important because they hate people to think that we're going to do that we don't we don't have that regulatory authority to do that with regard to add amendment to section eight point once point c on pages eighty three the department does not do current these recommendations the two proposed policies are already covered by policy one and the community plan is not trying to take away anybody's water nor is its purpose to allocate to relocate water again that's within the purview the water you saying it policy nine stays on it yeah i mean we've been told over and over again that this is our community plan this is our community plan and yes it is a county document but i mean if we're going through the whole thing there are a lot of things that we in here that we're not going to have jurisdiction over including we just voted on that is we don't have jurisdiction over the community plan proposed conservation area  i just i just feel like there are things that are important there are things that we flip native more bad news in and things and i don't see it as being far reaching at all and as council see that it's something that is not going to benefit the county or is not going to then they can make those appropriate changes  what i'd like to say with regard to passing nine on camera and on the record as i hate to set up an expectation this is completely not within the county's purview it is absolutely important absolutely but it is a c one responsibility again that word  sure it is not a county responsibility i think the additional language which basically comes out of what the exact responsibilities are perceived warm and not the county makes it sound like the county should be doing it instead of sea warm we are supporting the concept that we do need to keep track sustainable yields but i think when you put in the word accurate and you have all this other language that is falls wholly within c warman not the county yeah we should be on them to make sure they're doing their job to make sure they are supporting and you know trying to accurately track well withdrawals and so forth but again this is something that falls wholly within the purview of the water use development plan i think the language we had in there originally supports that concept but it doesn't mean when you get to this level of detail unfortunately then you get into problem areas because it is not a county responsibility and it's lining it up up to do that and we can't i can't the way it was i think the way the language we had it was part of me but safe language to try to support what needs to be done in the water use development plan and that is to make sure the sea worm is doing their job that this is not a county responsibility it's the regulatory authority of see we're not the county to all of it we don't need a motion if we just don't act upon it it can go to the council not because because i we haven't seen every single thing that the b b did over all we saw was the final draft of the decisions they made but we couldn't see what the the liberated over and all those things so this will be the lead in and out of there and not even its entirety and so i don't think we're equipped legally or otherwise to me that  is just like the eastern policy statement if it cannot be you know figure it out right now here i used to think that this whole this this portion at the sort of the portions we cannot agree on in the document should be transmitted to the council as it is recommended on this particular one that you just took a vote on when the vote failed your commission's recommendation is to leave it as it is it would be up to our heart to bring their recommendations to  council i understand what i'm saying that's what the process would be because you're your commission just voted yes a while if you get a pilot is so it would be in the hands of the ha to bring back their recommendations as public testimony to the county council you just these this commission voted on my first motion so my second motion is to recommend that this be brought up in its entirety as it is presented to us to the council right but at least it's on record to say because everything obama has the right to everything even what we've stricken from based on department recommendations they can present again they've got a year to do is that the problem with you guys so that we can move through this ok so how about we leave everything in except for policy number nine section is that the one us think our stuff the most and i think we just have to martha action does you have any concerns about the agricultural section b i would recommend leaving it as is but on your recommendation see i'm sorry recommendation see you have as an action but the commission it added that specific language already as a policy at their january twenty eighth meeting so my recommendation we're fine with a b i would say can be covered by it's already covered by a policy that the commission already added that is the specific language that you have underse fifteen no concerns with a b we don't think it's necessary the threat of invasive species is already addressed by policy three and action three point one point fifteen  we do not agree with c and then d this is been addressed in policy nine in section three point one point c  the subject of landscape planting is also covered in chapter seven community design off find it for you three dash seven policy nine encourage and support the establishment and expansion of native plant communities by utilizing appropriate practice and technique for propagation  and it's kind of reiterating what's already been legally required for county and state projects so publicly funded projects are supposed to for many years incorporate use of  problem that hasn't really happened so actually what we did was we introduce legislation last year to require that specific percentages penkridge that so i think it's a little bit different so i mean but again obviously i would defer to the commission on you know if they wanted to have that in the so also in chapter seven there is a policy nine that says encourage the use of the county of maui planty unless that could be you could add to that policy the language that's in item d that might be the most appropriate place to page seven dash three under community design policy nine which references the county of mali planting  list i don't think that an action is necessary under di the last one it says the ad in action to increase the use of hawaiian plants in publicly funded landscaping consistent with the recommendation s it does more appropriate as a policy covers it it's not necessarily the action policy which reads encourage protection and restoration of the biodiversity of native plant and animal terrestrial freshwater and marine species and habitats through land conservation resource management education invasive species protection and prevention and control and wildfire prevention and stewardship and then it's also covered in action three point one point fifteen encourage this state to establish a