planning commission going to send a letter in the difference between six and so i kind of divided on these two studies i'm with and i have to really think about the specialisation that he studies with the list  participation by a group of volunteers that will tackle each issue is the only way to logically approach that are done by having said that going to take a fair amount of work this is an easy job and i think if it's possible and i've certainly prepared that i think good idea was going back to the previous idea of taking it more broadly at this point no i just don't didn't want to say that it's definite because you know there are there are let's say for a moment that there were so many callbacks that at some point   no i think what basically them as long as promotion is we're about to change basically in these interim bylaws with the following changes and i think from our sampling of their opinions very are not opposed to the concept and that i think pretty much everybody in town who thinks about planning ninety's he is all about conservation of open space we're releasing new construction to the benefit of the whole community that's why i came here tonight the this is new to be sure you know the result in part so if there obviously supportive of what john has had to say here i think it's hard to talk about open space without talking about house and the conversation shouldn't kind of be about one way or the other i think it should be about both and i think this is a great opportunity right now for our community to look into both  issues and to provide equity to both of these issues because i think they're both in more than ours we shouldn't be in our silos just supporting our ideological positions about how we feel about every three years affordable housing was number one on their list of needs to be at rose to the top of everything i was shocked because obviously there are a lot of people who see the significance of housing and its impact on the community on health on everything so i ask that you spend enough time you're fashioning what this resolution is going to be right now somehow this is the time where you can fashion affordable housing or the house intended into what it is you're doing and find a way of getting all the stakeholders at the table to come up with strategies that are going to allow for the housing needs to be mad with the impacts big data on our open space resources are and everybody who is going to impact so that's all i have to  from a regional planning commission first i've kind of concerned about some of the president of the sets and the impacts of just regional sprawl is very important to do with the objectives and goals energy use and emissions climate change all the things that we care about in this county and in this community so i just want to encourage you to keep pushing for this morning move that i move you are pushing for and i forget how to do that the best way thing the building homes together him pain set a goal of building thirty five hundred homes in five years in our county who are on track for building that number so that's seven hundred a year and then just doing a little bit she was very concerned about one area of finance which was not being regulated which made her very nervous because it involved trillions of dollars where the public didn't know how that money was being handled we're got out th book that was trying to create a program to regulate the financial industry and it got out to people known as alan greenspan the micro federal reserve chair robert rubin had goldman sachs former treasury secretary of that regulation which probably born advocating for prior to this got to curry so as much as everybody hates regulation no regulation is far worse than regulation keep that in mind the second point i want to make who they are it's part of most people's definition of exists and that segues into my third and last point once you dissolve the land short of a nuclear holocaust it's develop was very developed for go right up to far as the plans are open space more and more developments are approaching a part of open space and that's creating conflict between the land and developers if you don't think of the big picture  communities so i looked at south burlington coal gesture and six in the south burlington is doing a really great job we're right on harwood our peers and in several categories we are actually and in this case we have to become before the city council to modify a duplex into a single family house so to me that's also one other situation  reduce the cost of housing i would rather see a bridge use it for everybody rather than you and the way you do that used to reduce the impact these reduce connection fees red the council really vet the language and it seems like there's a little tidbits of parts and pieces here really want to make sure that we're not having the right  you know we're also trying to develop telling our stories that reflect kind of what we think as a community is important our d s that really any information that we have our natural areas in the city and you know much of the earlier that a lot of the data that we're using to create some of our maps here it's based on basically like states  i just wanted to make the point that a lot of catastrophes have been in slow long term incremental ways and that if we fast forward thirty five forty fifty sixty seventy years into the future unchecked development so that we have bad development in what element in the wrong places will be a catastrophe as well it's not going to be as traumatic as a fire sweeping through or a tsunami or an earthquake but it will be catastrophic in sony proposal i know we need to look at housing to look at affordability but i think we need to be building up in filling rather than building  into areas that not only are you to fall into why static pleasure and recreation to people in the community but these are areas that provide us with clean water  other areas that have a lot of value in terms of their ecosystem services it's a term that always i feel a little queasy about talking about ecosystem services because they're really services that  us and they have a lot of value satellites think if we can not only over this interim zoning period looking really down the road in terms of generations can figure out ways that we preserve these open spaces the creatures that live in these open spaces but ways that people get so much pleasure and so many values from these open spaces and if we're going to grow let's raise slowly and feeling and building taller buildings rather than chewing up the landscape speaking out is not in favor and so what's happening tonight is just i want clarification on if i can pick up a little permit tomorrow for a neighborhood that we aren't developing currently because i don't have an answer for that  new principal buildings very broadly and again some of that was because it's easier from a process perspective to reduce the types of eve reasons if there is already a project approved and but they haven't gotten zoning permits for the principal buildings within that development  yeah without i see that that's that's the discussion so do we have a motion to include those four plus a straight line along the interstate is that what people are there are no more and trips allowed at those intersections we do not expect development  ok so we have a motion second to zero in favor five in favor of so that passes so the map we now have clarified map for the well i guess i believe we're responsible for the final decisions and i think we can trust that when we if in fact we to think that's that's every they're sort of they say they're exempt from from i think by virtue of the wording you have been a documentary because they submitted priority over twenty fifth period i don't know communicate the concern earlier would let me take one more stop at what it is so the concern this is the option that the city negotiated for so for the next five years if the grant funds are not raised by der capital to pay down their investment the city has the option to buy out by the land from them out of market price yet to be determined to conserve that property so we have the right to do that if you look at number seven of this option that we negotiated for which i fully support wanted the city to have more options if you look at number seven this is what it says that this agreement of the property be lucky was expressly defined to not include nine housing sites which haven't yet been designated because they don't know at the time where they want to put them am ok right we're just trying to define it before we take that motion without getting any emotion and i will move that we add the all right so any further discussion ok all in favor of amending the interim zoning exempt area maps to include all of the portion of the o player property in the southeast quadrant whatever part of buildings that have already that are part of an approval by the d r be right so i moved to exclude from the new principal buildings close definition definition  those subdivisions that have been the now those structures that have been approved by the d s p divisions that are  prepare that and have it can be it can go into effect i'm also wondering perhaps also to clarify that the lands to which the interim violence apply i was also going to make some revisions basically to make matched the map a map right do we need to make a motion for you to do that so you can we might rule something with the understanding that this language will be developed heart so i feel compelled to tell the people why i would post something and i will just want to make my statement and i got to use a few minutes of time because that's where this process works i know we all want to go home so i'm not in support of this notion for the same many of the same reasons no not all of the same reasons as articulated the last time i just believe that a lot all of these actions can be done without in terms owning i don't see the necessity to pause and freeze development if there was a specific project that would be under question i was so i would be supportive of response yes what is your pleasure and you want to support this says sort of an outline  back to the planning commission and i want to make sure i'm giving them the direction i'll get your car if i have this i just so you're just like these different committees to appoint or select those members and the of what we yeah it was with regard to the timing and the role of the planning commission with regard to these committees when i put this together as you can see the very last thing here at the end is the results of this cost benefit analysis will be combined with the results of studies one two and three in order to implement permanent land development regulations that it was after these three things were done then the planning commission becomes the realm where the three things are discussed so these committees would not be working with the planning commission throughout the planning commission  focusing on the p d s one member of the planning commission would be with the t d r aspect but then when the t d r aspects done when the open space aspect is done and of a consultant they and staff do not feel that this can be done by committee alone this is a project that i don't think you get done in nine months or eighteen months without the use of a console and a paid where they've been coming from mapping them out there that's a lot of work i don't know that a committee does that even after the questions are probably created by a project committee as outlined in the planning commission em which is not that big of a deal but you have to get all of the paperwork approved through the university so if you can i sit i think you are great we love students so great issues and certainly what we would need to get from from you kevin your staff is your estimates of what if if you do need some consultants what the scope of that might be i mean clearly on the the cost benefit analysis we knew at the start that that had a price tag we just don't know what the price tag is and then if if it sounds like you know maybe having a consultant for the go out for our of beyond that and the question is is there a simpler way to approach that where you get feedback from public works and planning and zoning and you look at potential developments an x number of houses if they went here and the police department how many how many more miles of roads how many more gallons of water how many more you know the sewage treatment you know i mean so you can just i mean back in the nat can type stuff that's probably not good enough but you went from a napkin doing it by piece of paper that probably would tell you a lot right then i tend to agree with you i think maybe on the t d r piece we put together the t v t d r come work a committee and they outline and discuss what their needs are and what they see we are consulting the consultants going to take take the lead and take charge we need a committee take the lead and they'll say here is what we need from a consultant maybe just like just like  do the same thing with a cost benefit analysis is is have a working committee that goes to all the depart puts together a package of information then you go to a consultant and say corning mcafee that's what a consultant  sure i think my early estimates are that the t d r piece in the open space piece have been fairly well defined from a lot of people about what we're looking for there's a lot of potential layers adams if you will are we identifying just these are the parcels are we identifying these are the parcels all the parcels we want or we identifying let's take a top twenty are we saying every parcel that's not developed let's figure out what a future plan for that is so there's a i think a lot of room for a different type of contract i don't think those approach hundred thousand i think that the cost benefit analysis is one that is a very skill and will be relatively more expensive than the other two considerately i would agree because we're asking for the cost benefit kind of changes if any we want so we can say to the public ok we want that develop this these at the cost and that's and so you know you're in your property taxes go up or whatever it is but i think that has to be good not just well this is what we kind of think because it's how many new roads there might be in this is what it costs to plow them it's more than was on the form base coach i mean that was two hundred thousand dollars plus i think the open space was you know thirty five thousand it wasn't some twenty five thousand from thing like that and  thought i mean that those were little are pieces and we have a wonderful report from open space last time that yeah you may have to revisit it but i don't think you have to recreate do that they're also i think very good at outlying all those options and considering consequences good or bad unintended or otherwise of what would happen  because i guess the goal that i understood the council was to limit the cost of think you've heard it again here tonight and seeing the two thousand and fourteen open space report where you actually have all of those questions asked answers offered and you have draft l d r as i truly see it as let us review this document and and so when i was where i was the staff on that document and love that report i think it's wonderful and i hope that someday a lot of those things will get implemented i don't think that it can serve any parcels with the exception of a few there's a there's a desire for a parks and rec open space plan that doesn't exist so that we're hitting certain targets national targets of having so many opening per population that's not done but aside from that it really speaks to what your natural resources standards should be as part of development i don't believe there's anything in there that says conserve this parcel conserve the section of parcels i don't as you've outlined it i don't think it does that if the goal is different then i think it's wonderful it's a wonderful start to do that but if you build  or say that you know no development can occur on this kind of land and this is where it is and you have buffers or whatever so it doesn't get developed you don't necessarily have to buy it you mean you've already written but it served it and i think that's what people are concerned about that we have had identified these areas and they still get developed in defense of stuff i would just like say if kevin is doing his job and i truly think he is you know don't have slack you're not staring at a wall all day just with excess capacity so you have stuff you're doing in these top priorities with a very compressed timeline with great importance to the community take resources i'm not advocating spend more money on this i'm just saying these things cost money but dean wants to do a new initiative at the university of vermont you've got to find the resources for the purpose of port personnel to commit to those those tensions so all i'm saying is consultants are very warranted for these types of priorities so we've also given the planning commission now employees and we have sophie marceau i know but our staff staff them and does the work for that so if we limit their work i mean it isn't like to do everything you're doing now and on top of that it was oh it does i mean i do is really say you know this this particular section of land in the southeast quadrant has this wonderful resource and it should be conserved in its entirety what it's going to do is say within a parcel there is a well and shouldn't build in the wetland doesn't mean that the parcel is conserved it doesn't mean that the parcels on developable it just means where you put those units and i think we're going to be able to incorporate a lot of thought into the standards i'm really feeling very good about that there are a lot of math but you're right we want more than that but it sounds like you want a lot more than we do so wholesale conservation which won't happen through that and is really just going to have to be i think a ask the right questions to be able to do that for people and they'll still get to express all of their heartfelt interests it will just help reach some consensus where the council appointed comes in and the council appointees come in i guess i i've seen many of these committee members in action and they're not kids and candy stores all of them they they're very knowledgeable and they're very pragmatic too and they look at right what our end goal is we're losing the lights and i only get it when i i on very controversial the dog park committee and there are people on that doctor committee that you know represent different committees in the city and i saw what they were capable of doing and i that i guess i feel if i don't want to say that i want to you know cut costs but i don't know that cost is necessary as i guess i understand yes in an ideal world you can the candy shop ye want to consultant everywhere right i'd love to have someone hold my hand but at some point we have to let them go and i really feel that given all the studies that we have done in this city and we have ongoing studies  talked about studies that are ongoing but she also did you know studies previously in the city in addition to the studies that we have already published i i  don't i feel comfortable that we can select a committee that will really be thoughtful  did we decide that we do want them to move or take that up but i think the p d s come first but they often have two topics at the same time that they're working on correct men don't just go whatever it is seven or eight stuff right but it is twenty pages so it's not work as i understand you could read through once and say for sure right so you know i think are well i'm happy to call and my response would be that it will be on their agenda but they are going to be working on the initially they also have will have committee members and some of the other work and we would like them to include this in their  smaller or higher prioritize work plan but it's not the first thing that sound ok i mean because that can happen without i see so but this  i can call those different competing cheers and ask them to come up with someone to recommend for the different committee so i can do that tomorrow