ok i want to welcome you to night this occasion it's the really the second evening that we've had a public meeting about the proposed school and i think that you'll be ideas about the pool itself we're still working very hard on both the design but perhaps not so much the location of the pool houses and we are going to have to pool houses which will be explained i think by the design team as they go forward but we appreciate having everybody come tonight i'd just like to introduce the members of the pool committee who are here i can find them allan schreiber is she still here yes there she is at the back and joel mooney is here and adam dash and christie armstrong and i'm i'm missing anybody ok steve salah is a member and he could not be here this evening and also james smith from the historic commission is also a member and he could not be here this evening so i think without further ado i will turn it over to tom skull out of or ok who will begin the presentation house the library and more context here are the areas of things we're dealing with existing chain link fence which defines the will call the sledding hill in this area here the depressed area commonly referred to as  skating rink and the area library the same existing filter building to some up below grade plus the other structures that are there because again the existing bathhouse which sits on the west side of the site and in terms of what we're talking about will go through each of these pieces separately but some of the things we're looking at is we have an existing parking area for the that that's here now what we're trying to do is improve the safety of people parking there so you drive in and the drive out in a safe manner on the angled parking you're not backing out on to cottage street also the sort of it will not eliminate potentially but also will discourage people f the wellington brook over to clay put upon underneath conference i have this is of the roughly the same size this is a new bath house building roughly the same size and footprint of the existing this these are we're breaking to another set of bath house buildings down on cottage street here with an entrance again we're this is we'll talk more in detail on the pool you can see lightly underneath here and it shows up in those slides that's the existing oval of the pool one thing i want to say up front is that the existing pool and i've said this if anyone you were part of the original study there is not enough sanitary facilities or components in that and that within the existing building and we and for a pool of the size of the town desires we cannot fit it in the footprint of that addition of that of the existing building so we have to expand the amount of buildings and the size of the buildings that we're proposing talking a little about the mean this is still oriented so cottage street is here concord i was up here one thing that we looked at what we have actually developed here again here is the existing pool outline is that first of all we've broken this up into two pools one of the big concerns with the existing pool if there's an incident in one you lose the whole pool in this way we do have a segregation that's from a sanitary standpoint an operational standpoint but also it's a program that ways that we have shallow r water here younger kids actually closest to the main entry away from the deep end of the pool we start getting the deeper water further away it starts providing a segregated area for  portion of this pool we have a very generous shallow area here for water familiarization training swimming lessons we've incorporated a large area here starting at four feet going down to six which can be used as a laps with the competitive laps swimming recreational exercise of lap swimming as well as program for all sorts of other activities water aerobics things of that nature here and in this and here we provided a here which again we use to break up the two pools is actually what's called an island actually we have a pergola bottom for shade and actually a under basically is an underground under water bench so you can walk to the pool you can sit in the water basically up to your waist so if your kids are in the water the parents can be engaged so in the water while they're in this shallow area of the pool here this will provide our handicapped access we have a ramp with rallies coming down to the area here you have a ramp coming into the the lap pool on this side as well as of then we have transfer stairs which have a limited size mailing so the person who will care wheelchair can actually transfer themselves from the wheelchair down into the water body this sort of gives you a sense of the  profiles of the pool with very shallow down to the deep in the diving well they don't have the size that this pool was larger actually smaller in surface area than the existing pool however we have more usable area because of the shape the existing pool the bowl you have shallow on the and the decay the deep end you've got people very quickly so that middle area became an area that could not really be used by a lot of the bather a lot of the uses of the pool this way we have large usable surface areas we've been able to maintain if not to be able to expand the amount of kids that can be offered a swimming lessons which is an enormous program with a record partment that was one of the key goals of the maintain that so that's the approach that we took here again very simple not over on the water features these are very simple call pop chat so water is a research related from the pool you know you stand here water comes up a couple of spray jets and then this is actually a fairly modest slide for the pool nothing over the top is being proposed and i'll turn this over now to cry a little bit more about the site so my name is kyle zicam a landscape architect and i just want to give you a sense of some of the things we're proposing for the site which are in keeping him in being coordinated with the pool improvements themselves so tom had mentioned  number of these things when he gave you the orientation on the site in terms of the existing pool teachin existing bathhouse and filter building also there's existing trees large pine trees in a few oaks and in trees lining both edges of the east and west parts of the park there are a few trees along concord avenue but there are many gaps in that line of trees and then as tom mentioned there's that head in parking that directly abuts or backs into cottage street and then the existing play area is also something that we have a few images here i mean you all know the character of the park in terms of the depressed skating area the play area itself and up at school street so there's a lot of interaction with cottage street between the parking and the bath house and pool itself we're paying particular attention to the quality of that landscape so here it is today will not today but this summer there is a very dense line of trees there mixture of cories norway maples cherries and you could as a looking up cottage street very densely planted in the winter it's still fairly downstairs a lot of tree trunks there in a line that provides a nice buffer for the of others so as we start to think what should the future of the park be you work with those existing trees we're not going to have a blank slate you have these to work with and there's different ways to think of it i mean here is cottage street in the proposed bath houses in the parking that tom mentioned and these are the existing trees one way you can look at it is you then that grove of trees keep the best get rid of some of the weedy you're invasive and only let the best kind of keep going through and then you augment that with other trees to have something maybe similar to what myrtle street is like which is one street over from cottage which is really just very formally planted with ten oaks all very beautiful so that's what this cross section is representing kind of street stays exactly the same with we don't do anything on the opposite side the house side that sidewalk remains and there is just this row of trees that is then supplemented or at least cleaned up and that kind of thing i also mention this new sidewalk that option i explain that more later but there is a desire to have a sidewalk on the park side to help people go from school street down to the bath house or to conquer dad and not have to cross the street so that's something that we're considering and any one of these options and you'll see here if that's the playground this in this configuration it's shown on the park side of the trees and then comes back to the curb and then it's about another option because there are so many trees along clotted street now is to not that it is much and actually add more trees and add an understorey so that if i go back for a second to see how there is just like a single tree and it's very simple the ground plane this option is different that there are multiple trees here not trying to be formal or in a line and you would add shrubs at the base so that it's really a wooded border instead of specimen trees so that the the sidewalk still could be done exactly the same just on the back side of the trees in that or so then concrete avenue there's definitely a lot of gaps in the tree line and i think comfort avenue is meant to really be a tree lined street so here there's two distinct trees here and there's one here otherwise there aren't any others so we were supposed adding some trees and these two different options are saying there's different ways to approach the tree planting but instead there are different ways to approach a drop off here today the bus stop is here but we're saying that there could be a drop off for the park and for a pool unconquered avenue to keep more of the traffic on a busier street and then there could be something that's a little bit more formal reinforced with ornamental planting that would have been a rival space gathering and seating and then you go directly to the bath house or something a little less formal but still has seating and signage to announce that that is the entrance and expect people to come together and then proceed to the back to talk about the sidewalk and how i would mention that again later so the on the right hand view this is where we're looking at putting a sidewalk in on the park side of those trees and what's important about that is it can be considered inaccessible routes from this part of the park all the way down to concord out anyway issue is that the street right of way for potus street right now is very narrow it's only twenty feet  road is only twenty feet wide the street right away is barely larger than that so it's not wide enough to encompass a sidewalk so there would be some mechanics in terms of the top of the town to widen the right of way just through here to encompass that side well it's not insurmountable but it's something we're looking into just also for comparison if we want an inaccessible walkway that didn't follow the great of the road but was a flatter slope we could accommodate it but it would be quite a switch back through the park we wouldn't have to cut down any trees or anything like that but it's a long route but we wanted to show that they understand what the alternative would be and then in terms of how does this all come together so we're trying to make sure there's some kind of protest or movement from school street down so that one neighborhood neighbors can walk or bike to the park they can also utilize the wellington school parking lot which has a great capacity and not have to cross the road and cross the road again and we also want to make sure there's a good connection between the playground in the bath house and the pool we want to maintain these existing trees was a really spectacular and large we're addressing the tree planting on either edge here but because this is a historic park and so well off we want to make sure there's a family of materials here so there's a uniform and consistent set of site furnishings from benches trash receptacles and signage and the signage something like this is not something that's just right out of a cattle it's something that would be special and kind of mark these entry points and could say something about the history of the place or there could even be smaller things that interpret the original swimming hole who designed it and where this land came from in terms of the donations so there's a lot of opportunities to really highlight how special this par now i'd like to walk you through the design of the house as tom had mentioned earlier the pull of the size requires a tremendous thank you  the footprint of existing buildings so what we're trying to do as best we can is to break up mass across the site into smaller structures more residential and scale to be more  is the bath house it's across the pool closest to the library this or building right here is the main entrance path where you access the site off of cottage street and here is kind of the separate smaller filter building which is just adjacent to that of walk you through all of these so through the public comment process there was a lot of positive comments about an emphasis more on family changing rooms single changing rooms and less of a reliance on kind of the older traditional really long ganged together shower changing so we're really trying to take that concept throughout this s so as you see here this is color coded hopefully it will be hopefully somewhat clear the the green areas represent bathing rooms those are would be rooms that have both lobby space right at the control reception desk check in the check in at the desk and there are two ways out to the pool deck one down this passageway where one side would be flanked with lockable storage the other side would have two large family changing rooms that could accommodate all tipple people i could bring you know both my daughter and my son and we could be very very spacious for us to do all the things that toddlers need to do or you could go to any other passageway again  into the one area that we are keeping somewhat of a gang shower changing area or to compress the size  required for all of the plumbing fixtures we decided that at least in one place we could have a location where we can have a single compartment showers that you can change and because some people might simply want to do it some people might not need to go in a large room some people might just come in and you could use this even just to change your mind on you in the shower but it might be just a quicker way to get in and get out of the bath house on the end and which faces the pool just to single use restrooms if you're on the pool and you need you know really feel like going all the way into the bath house even this sneak into one of these and it's very convenient through this passageway here this is open air it's it's kind of a open air power deck space between the two buildings it's screened off from cottage street with some sort of decorative wood or metal screen and that's where one of the filter equipment building is however it also has a row of single use toilet rooms so if again if you're on the deck  say my son needs to run in the facilities he doesn't necessarily have to go all the way back into the bath house i can keep my eye on him the whole way until he goes in comes out very convenient also in this  part of the building would be an area designated for some sort of concession what that concession is as is yet to be determined but we're allowing the ability for either a concession stand or venting  way which i consider almost an accessory again is has family changing rooms single changing rooms this is also where the lifeguard lifeguards would have a private space for downtime when they're not on duty that was pointed out as a very important aspect of our design to make sure that we don't forget about the lifeguards they're doing an important duty they need a place that's private to rest when they're not on the deck   that you know the buildings should have somewhat of a civic feel a bit of importance to them your existing pool has been here for one hundred years we want to make sure that what we put back here is of the same quality lasting quality so that plays into our selection and use of materials we also  the town has to investigate how if it's possible for these buildings to be net zero energy energy efficient so part of that  comes into what we're doing with the roofs we have kind of a low slope solar roofs positioned in the right orientation for solar collectors either now or in the future we're looking at a brick masonry type of building kind of reflect the nature of the downtown we're trying to use clerestory windows and louvers to provide as much natural light and ventilation inside the buildings as possible that's that was one of the big complaints that we hear time and time again of the existing when you're in it it's it's really an unpleasant place to be there really needs to be more natural light and better ventilation so when we in the field are when we look at these forms and again we're going to stress the schematic we're trying to provide just that you know lifting the roof a little bit providing some windows to let as much light in to the internal spaces as possible but at the same time acknowledge that it is a civic building it does want to seem like a civic building and at the same time work with the with the committee and we'll talk further about this and then we're going to try to think about ways to fund it clearly without question we have to go to the residents of this community ask for your support through some type of a debt exclusion we haven't quite determined exactly the amount of that exclusion th alternative sources of funding through probably the c p a and other sources as well but without question we're going to have thousand residents community to support this and we're frankly looking for a spring though the which time to move forward it's a wonderful pool it's lasted  hundred years but anyone who uses a currently especially the bath house knows that it's in dire need of reconstruction and update and we strongly support that and hope that the residents will as well thank you thank you max i guess i would just add that you we're repeating this over and over i know but we are in danger of losing the pool totally if we don't proceed with the with a new pool the state board of health has indicated that it has come to its useful and and we really need to either look towards putting together a new pool as quickly as possible or they will suggest they will demand that the pool be closed so we are sort of under the gun from them and i think that is one reason why we are moving so quickly on replacing it and the idea here is of course follow up what mark said is that we are going to the board of selectmen on january twenty seventh we hoping that there will be a question on the ballot on april first during the election the hopefully that will be a positive vote if that's true the town meeting will then we hope vote the two million dollars that the community preservation committee has indicated we can use from the community preservation act fund we will then have enough money we will go out for a contract we're still hoping the pool will get a waiver and stay open  the contractor will begin as soon as the pool closes in september hopefully they will continue to work and up until it's impossible to work in the winter time and then they will begin again as quickly as possible in the spring and we're hoping that that the pool will be open in june of two thousand and fifteen so we will not lose a season of outdoor swimming but i think as you can see that the new pool will be ever so much more efficient and also will really speak to the needs that the people have expressed over and over again lap swimming getting a diving board back a zero tree for kids who are learning how to swim the small area for children who are not really good swimmers and can't go into the deep end but don't want to be stuck with the three year olds in the very shallow end so i think there are a lot of advantages to the pool and we're waiting to hear from you we've seen some schematic designs of pool houses we'd like to hear from you about that and we have not made firm decisions about the about the way the pool houses look we do have firm decisions about how many toilets and showers we need however so we  really can't back off that but we can always continue to improve the design if necessary so i would look to your conversation from the audience  and would you identify yourself yes that tenney borrowed originally the pool was going to have to be small enough so that it could accommodate toilets i'm just wondering did you now add more toilets and make the pull bigger than you originally thinking or is this the original we're still working within the parameters in the size that we talked about in the study oh just for you ok it's very it's just it looks great i just have two questions one is just because i couldn't tell how long are the lane you know what's the length of the lane twenty five yards twenty five yards ok and the second question is i can remember many years ago i hate to tell you probably thirty five years ago when i used to take my children there that when we sat at the edge of the pool inevitably our bathing suits i think also you'll be able to sit on that nice underwater bank i would have appreciated that i think when my children hike the riviera washington street i noticed you've increased the capacity of the second looks like you added a couple of structures has the budget what would have been revised the budget is being worked on now ok square footage that's in there is the same size of the buildings that we have now those are all going to unit cost basis that was of the same so that's correct  think the budget showed twenty eight hundred square feet for the buildings is that is that still work around the same parameter yes ok but it's still even though it's total cost is going to go up by i did take a look at the budget and i'm not sure who prepared the budget but based on some current numbers that i'm seeing there like the site work numbers are low you haven't accounted for escalation for two thousand and fourteen which is at least three to five percent so i mean based on that you're looking at like seven million dollars seven million dollars project for something that's going to be used ninety days out of the i don't i wouldn't put this at a seven million dollars project but you did it in your feasibility report those were done it did a six percent continuously but it did include it did not include a building permit did not include any town administration fees and it didn't include construction escalation for two thousand and fourteen there's i mean well it's actually the fifteen with new information that's been generated in those estimates are completely separated so it's not just one estimate or it's a guess but there are two done in the in that process and two of them will see where the differences are and reconcile and so by the twenty seventh will have a very accurate estimate based on a lot of new information that would accommodate the things you're asking for like what's the difference in price between last year and this year and right will it become all right put it i mean it's still you can based on option one it's still a four four point three probably four and a half million dollars project which i think is a lot of money to fund you probably towns going to probably have to pull a bond and have to repay it that's what needs repairs i just and there's an aging infrastructure i think it's a lot to ask to town residents to fund whatever it is three million four million dollars for something that's i mean everybody likes to pull but let's face it it's used at the most ninety days a year if that's good weather so it's it's a lot of money we got terrible roads they said to pull in the high schools follow the pot kids can't use it i just think this is in this day and age i think the town should look at maybe a better way to spend five million dollars of the taxpayers money ok i mean i appreciate your comments although i guess i somewhat disagree with them but i certainly appreciate your letting us know how you feel about it  i think there are a couple of things one is that some of this money is coming from the community preservation act in fact almost half of it i'm not several years ago many people worked extremely hard to saying that it would be great to have the community preservation act passed in belmont so that we could take advantage of some of the money that comes back from the state to help out with that with that fund and then also some of it would be raised through our taxes we have done that past we have done it many of the people who signed up and said that they were interested in having that community preservation act in the town where people were approached at the pool and one of the projects that people felt strongly about was that we have a swimming pool that is a huge amenity for this town in the summertime i agree it's ninety days but we're hoping number one that we will be able to use it longer the map now it will be in better condition and we have talked to the members of the recreation commission and they have agreed that perhaps some of the programs could be extended so that we could have swimming before school ends in june and perhaps continue it into september september being extremely warm month very frequently so i think we have that but i think that the town has spoken really very positively about having a pool and i myself i think that if you are going to have a structure of this sort in the town it should be well done i don't think that we should have something that's going to fall apart in ten years or that we should have a pool that is so temporary in nature that nobody really wants to go to what and we end up with dank areas such as we have now in the f so but so i'm hoping that the that it goes forward i think we are trying very hard to stick with the budget and we will go better in a couple of weeks about that so we'll keep you informed we i mean part of our design is to work we work with the rec department to basically the fix the staffing of this pool generally be the same that is now we're not trying to increase that as well as the new system is going to be less maintenance cost less water loss trying to use incorporate photovoltaic will help reduce the power costs so in general we hope to be doing better than it is now and i just would like to address the packing and that is that we are not increasing packing on the site  we feel it is a wonderful playground and a park and we don't want to put any parking on on the site but we do have a school at the top of the street with an empty parking lot for most of the summer and especially it's empty on the weekends although i know they have a couple of programs on the summertime but nevertheless on the weekends there is nobody using the school parking lot which is the time that the that the pool is most heavily used and also in the afternoons so we will encourage people to pack up there and then walk down and that's one reason why we're suggesting that we have that interior walkway so that people can do that very readily know bob bob singer so i wrote in just a general question on lessons learned from a news surrounding communities i'm thinking of like an intern has a relatively modern outdoor pool complex anything to be learned from from their experience through what i learned in talking to a number of polls that have been constructed recently and hold and i think one in connecticut not the one in texas actually and what they said was that i pushed the use of the pool goes up  more people like coming to a new pool you can have a great of a variety of programs for people which encourages them more people to come and that all of those people have said that when the new pools opened the public was generally very pleased with what had happened are in concord and the belmont hill club and other places because we have a meet on saturday and so they they haven't been in the water for four weeks so following up with what the gentleman before the gentleman addressing the cost s those parents reached out to me in the morning and they said look we're going to convert to the thorough club and they have a bubble so why don't you go to the meeting to the meeting tonight and ask them w an option to put up the that is and so i just looked up in the morning there are two two options the bubble really that is of the federal club that has hot air it's sort of like a little literally is like a bubble and it blows in so it that area and then it keeps this whole structure right and position or you have one that has maybe a more permanent solution is so maybe a metal frame whatever it glides it has sort of tracks a glide so it's ok so that the first car i got a quote today at two fifty k so yes ok it adds some more and will be costs of heating and everything else so the question is what to questions i guess would that be doable with the structure that you have do you have to have anything extra on this around this could you is too fast to do it now if you want to do an override right to because i think it's a lot of thing to plan but could be planted maybe in the second stage because made for two reasons i mean first of all the high school pool is failing and we might have the situation again to have another pool that's now all year round your investment to put another two hundred fifty whatever three hundred now you have twelve months a year maybe makes more sense we are thinking i don't know where you put the numbers side by side you say ok how much is it to replace the boat he can bottom i looked after the website of two of the pools of the fro cool and also one in lexington that a fitness center and i would just tell you that the cost of belonging to those  issues again we were never really asked to look at this because relative to the site that's their number one the buildings that we're building the bath houses would have to be around structures right now what we're designing are very cost effective and heated buildings you have to now make permanent fully compliant structures so you have the heating cost of the building the construction cost of those all go up then you have to actually there's an extraordinary cost in terms of keeping the air supported plus heating the air in the bubble itself can be done the other issue that i think you think about is that once you start doing a year round school or structure over here you really need to start thinking about your own parking it's parking is an issue here but not as much during the summer i mean to people to use the  have to look at what were the implication being a year round facility in a neighborhood yeah i mean if you can just the three teams right now so it's i think one hundred fifty swimmers in the dolphins maybe three four hundred in the bats and then the boys high school team so there are three teams that can get in the hour right so right ok so there you have it so only that and it's not we don't park we just drop them off they go inside they do their practice and you know so you could split that may be  is just something we're putting out there we thought it kind of made sense seeing that this pool was closed for four weeks if it's something i mean if it's not if it has no chance to even i'm trying to think that maybe even planning in the future like if you have enough room there to address a foundation or i don't know you you know something to keep in mind i think that we would be happy to spend a few minutes are some time out on next meeting talking further about this idea so we're happy to do that and i think then the design team can give us a little more really hard information about what it would take to do something like this but anyway i don't think we cottage street are already very much impacted by people who illegally turn up that street and pack in there and it is a source of nuisance irritation and some dangerous situation when people do that people come down concord avenue going west they make a left hand turn off of concord avenue go up cottage street the wrong direction and then pull into that parking lot it's really very dangerous and cottage street is today is tuesday narrow to be a two  so i think that and for anything what we're trying to do with this pull is to create a safer situation at the bottom of cottage three and tell people they simply can't turn up there they can go up myrtle street and come back down they can do something allowing them to go up the hill just like you know the rest of the street is one way and it would you know would i vent i already i'm sorry but i already said that what we don't want is people going up cottage street off of concord ave even at the bottom so we're encouraging the parking committee to see what they think of the setting up they're going to talk to the traffic advisory committee i think it's the thirteenth of february well i'm not sure that's the correct date but it's early in february and we have spoken i have spoken to one of the members generally my read of the traffic advisory committee is that they would like to keep the streets safer not more dangerous hi i'm ellen shriver and i'm a member of the underwood pool building committee you know there's only a handful of parking spots there on cottage street so while we're talking about the parking area we're not talking about the parking area serving the people all the people who are swimming  pool we alluded to a couple of things that we're going to really try and do one is to encourage people who are dropping off their children either to drop maybe their teenagers they'll drop them off or maybe they're  just going to drop them off and go park the car we're creating a drop off area on concord avenue and that's part of where the designers were talking about what did we want it to look like and we want it to be very welcoming so that it's very obvious to people here is the place to drive drive up drop off your children they walk up to the entrance so that we don't have that traffic coming down cottage street the other thing we have this enormous parking lot at the wellington and it's something that you know i certainly never thought about i've always parked on concord avenue so if we can make it more attractive to people to park in the parking lot that we have which happens to be not very much farther away than any of the other places people park today  and make it so that there's a nice sidewalk and really encourage people to think about it that way then we have too much better options and we keep the cars off of cottage street and that's really what we're trying to do sereny when straight and there are two problems i've noticed no one's mentioning by going to the pool all my life the one thing i've noticed is when it rains we get a big mudslide from the hill of all kinds of debris that eventually goes into the pool with this new pool somehow the design could prevent that would you build some kind of a wall or something that would stop that from happening second is we have a lot of the canadian geese and the lifeguards have to skim that pool constantly before it opens and there are two really major things that they have to do with this i was wondering if the drainage we're aware of the me that was approved is made again and i have a rainstorm those areas can overcome so we're aware of what we need to do to catch the water when it comes down the hill diverted so it doesn't spill onto the deck into the pool again in terms of the canadian geese in all my years because been doing while i've never had an issue in a pool with a modern pool with peace this is i think a situation where you have a body of water that sits open most of the time where it's almost become a natural precinct one of three comments number one it is so impressive to see what your committee has pulled together and the new pool is so exciting and i think it will be a huge a minute before the town and for i think more and more adults will use the pool now that they have a place they can go and swim in a straight line and it's just wonderful  i hear you saying but you have a really sad it that you're designing a pool but it's going to be solid not going to crack the pipe start going to break and when it's all finished we will have a nice solid pool that we can all enjoy for a long long period of time before we have to do with her missing to it and i'm really glad that joel moody's on the committee because i'm sure the geotechnical people will make sure that the bottom of the pool doesn't sink i think that's all great stuff and i think you know it's my first comment and second comment was the diving area sticks out as a problem area diving is where you get the accidents the horse play the increased need for supervision the possibility that people will be jumping up and landing on other people and if you had to cut something i think i would invite you to think about discontinuing the diving area and maybe adding another lane on the rectangular wear or the rectangular swimming area it would reduce your risk factor with norway maples years ago years ago and they are invasive and not very nice but very vibrant and they send their roots everywhere so if you are going to play with the truth all along cottage  they will thank you for the comments and i would just in terms of your second comment about the diving i would just say that it's easy to see that you no longer have a twelve year old  the people who live at home with twelve year olds have been very clear about the fact that one reason that children don't no longer wish to go to the present bull is because there's no diving we have life gods who have kept the diving under control for all these years up until the we couldn't have the diving board anymore so i am sure that we will continue to be able to have a very safe diving area and it does draw kids twelve thirteen are and to come to the pool and to stay and to have a lot of fun so in terms of what was the third one oh no way maybe it's right that we are going to get rid of the trash trees spoke actually with one member of the shade tree committee who said sometimes i know a maple creates a lot of shade especially if it has a fairly big circumference so we will look carefully at those the thin ones are going but we also do not want to get rid of shade in last week's belmont citizen from carolyn bishop i want her to get credit for all this she proposed of some of you may know that the old house the car couch that's across the street been moved across the street and up to the top of the hill on schools street on that little end of the playground that is not used for much although i do stuffing discussing this and when we came in she says children go up there with their sleds and go all the way down i have not seen it but it can't be a lot of children and there are other ways i propose that this house which needs a home which i think should be preserved the mood there can serve not only as a reminder of belmont's past but as a arm of the belmont library too because in it as carolyn pointed out i think i don't remember one of her points but the whole historical room and the historical society that's up stairs could be moved there something else and in the library too that she proposed and that would the biggest gain that i see it would free a lot of space in this building which could perhaps have very great financial implications for the rebuilding or not the real reconstruction are not of this building and meanwhile up on top of the hill there there could be a pleasant place where people could drop in and it could be used for functions and so forth you know i came tonight particularly because i was afraid that your plan might go all the way up the hill and remove the possibility  to see that it doesn't what i'd like to ask is plead for is that people here who may be interested in the clark house as well as the new library or revive rebuilt library as well as the new pool which i read is to not forget this proposal from carolyn bishop which i think was a very is a very creative and and needed idea thank you for me i would only because i'm happened to have the microphone would only comment that this has been an open playground for a hundred g s and i guess i was hoping that we would continue to have this nice open space in a very crowded down and understand i've been very active and have we have contributed and participated with the clock house but i think that putting it up there really is not layer i believe you said the depth is one and four feet the other and six feet is six feet the appropriate depth for starting blocks or should it be possibly be a little bit deeper what's what's regulation was the the ideal that this happened six so actually the minimum that is three six what we actually did on this pool so we'd set the the six foot that is more than adequate for a racing start in terms of the deficit save it allows people to you know they get used to that bottle of water we've also increased from three six on the shallow end to four feet but what happens in one hundred yard race you do have people starting on the opposite and we want to just give a department is has a lot of programs in terms of the swim teams and and lessons and all and one thing i would like to throw out there possibly at least new designs is if in fact come summer time  know there are some summer leagues that that towns participate in and who knows how this goes forward but i think it would be crucial to to design the last section of the pool  incorporate the possibility of having some swim teams for the summer so i think that something important too to think about in along those lines it would be how much distance do you have  me yes troll who has yes there as well these are based on pools that you know we've done before in terms of setting up for a timing station the officials that are on the sides of the course as well i mean we get it we will there's a lot of the grossman here but in terms of a killing space in the back and the on the far side to go think to well we'll was one of the reasons that we like the split buildings and again one of the things that will chris is that there's different amounts of pool usage and so that we get in the main bathhouse  open all the time the other one can be shut down to save on time maintenance issues but also during a meet that in that building can be dedicated to the swim teams while we can still use this bathhouse for you know that the rec pool can still be open while the meets going on that's you know in the rec department and the recognition have discussed introducing swimming into this pool they can't do it now because you don't have to build pools not built for that they get it just becomes a timing issue and how you manage the pool of program that morning swim practice late afternoon swim practice just has to be worked out a schedule wise and that has been a top of the conversation ok and lastly i want to echo what i think i heard phil and adriana say  i think i love what you're doing here i support a town pool but i really question the cost for three months a year i e i think it's crucial to to think about strongly consider the  ability to putting up against some sort of volatile to make this a year round facility at the cost that we're talking about here for taxpayers thank you didn't start creasing three the the parking on card a street seems to be problematic to me still you've done a lot to make it safer and i congratulate you on that but it's only a few parking spaces and you know ten percent of the people driving to the pool are going to be able to park there but one hundred percent of the people driving to the pool are going to drive down crowded street hoping that they're one of the lucky few and did you consider eliminating the parking altogether because it seems like you want to you don't want to encourage traffic down the where there can be lots of kids on long leashes but at a minimum we need to provide handicapped parking as close to the building as possible and that's the and which is where it exists now actually we're going proving that there again we just were there is existing parking we're trying to lease maintain what was there now but we're trying to prove the safety of the parking i mean that's sort of the logic that we're following right this also you will have areas that there may be an area designated for public safety but also service areas so even when the pool isn't open you have service people coming in they can park there are staff to come in and out but again you can use spaces on concrete out for that well if i'm to find service in the pool i don't want to be bringing you made you talk about this with any of the consideration for extending the evening hours on the left lane by adding lights from the low intensity lighting we have not discussed adding lights but what we have discussed is the fact that the pool could really be open till eight thirty a quarter of nine and jan and july and most of august so we've spoken to the recreation commission and we're hopeful and it would be good for citizens to encourage the recreation commission to expand the hours and also the length of time the pool is opened so yes we expect that will happen naomi ellenberger do creasing fix i've heard it everything and it just sounds like a wonderful thing to critical community support but as someone who still does not feel too happy about the beach street center having come out to be a senior center rather than a community center which was something that i struggled and went to will brownsburg or about and so forth at  time that we were thinking about it i'm hoping that this is going to be something i hear the needs of all these teens and i hear the needs of all of these families and it's all great but i also wonder is this going to be a space where older adults or single adults will be having a space and will be feeling comfortable and won't be overrun by the younger populations as wonderful as they all are you know you know i don't get up early but i do stay up late and i'm waiting for the wife on the floor i mean the focus of the pool is that it's you know multigenerational i can be used by all so again we've gone to me in twenty five years ago and i started doing pools are still doing the rectangular boxes which w he leaves they really started changing in the early ninety's where they became more of an aquatic and even just a terminology that went from swimming pools to aquatic facilities but the whole goal in the working with the programming back in the study and now is t make it that a family could go spend the day and that's not just parents that's grandparents or other individuals and again by separating the pools by having kids on one side you have a you know you can have lap swimming on the other that sort of keeps a son somewhat of separation but also sets up that you have enough bath houses that are pushed away in the park areas large enough that everyone can find a comfortable spot there that you're not going to feel overwhelmed by one group or the other part of that becomes in the operation we can build a lot of that which we think we  garment school story sort of dovetailing on what you were just saying if people are staying you you haven't really talked about like the eating area and i'm wondering what the plan is for the lawn area will there be some benches or others or any shaded feeding space created specially for the parents whose kids are sort of old enough to swim without supervision but want to be there part one of our goals was to increase the amount of lawn area for sit down which again we maintaining more or less what's going up there over again but the other side by expanding it out giving you more lawn area we were really looking necessarily that's more becomes a sort of decision by the town to provide the amenities or do you allow people to bring in chairs umbrellas with into the park and with into the pool area itself we are looking at options are going  its budget driven to put up shade structures put in those become elements together think about relative to the design but there are ways of dealing with that but right now with the design it's sort of just open it's an open grassy area that you can bring a blanket hopefully they'll let you bring a on the corner of myrtle in the school but the subject i want to raise is one of stormwater and the general principle is that one infiltrate stormwater as close to the sauce as possible and following up on the previous comment about water coming down off that hail from the schools free and the fact that we have a number of impervious surfaces here in terms of the walkways in the tops of buildings and so forth i wanted to get you sense as to how we were going to accomplish the infiltration of stormwater on this site we actually is part of the part of the part of the proposed plan we're looking at about twenty four hundred square feet of an infiltration gallies the context system be split in an area probably underneath where the parking is but under an area of the dock so a lot of the impervious the roof the deck surfaces will go into infiltration that's a that's a formula measure my engineers look at based on impervious areas what we have to quite frankly a lot of the stuff that's going to come down the hill we might be able to just take again with improved and improved drainage area and structures take those into the existing inverts which go directly into the culvert but again the rest of it would then go through the infiltration system that's sort of a balance we're aware of that and that will be accommodated in the design or is being accommodated meet all these needs in one design i am a little concerned because it was sort of mentioned in the drops that you will accommodate fewer bathers and last summer was steamy and when you went by the pool you could barely see water was just people masses of people and that's what this is going to be twice as masses of people because it's so desirable how in the world are we going to accommodate fewer people in a more magnificent structure and how do we handle them that's just one question of several i mean there's no answer other the extended hours but you still have children families hot days when i say bathers i have to do my calculations for the size of the facilities based on a static time you never i mean this is based on we have six  like six hundred fifty bathers sure you could have six hundred fifty people in the pool not including people on the deck on the lawn areas based on you know the history that we're providing program usage you know you're never going to have it all at one time you could have that peak during the day i think by you know normal usage this pool you have is plenty of size for the size you know for what the programs are offered you know what the needs are so basically if i understand you're saying a six hundred peak times i mean what are we going from to six hundred share a week we have the figures from the recreation department that show that we can have as many as two hundred fifty or three hundred people but some but but sometimes they're not all there a people come into they leave it for somebody comes of three leaves or five so there are overlaps but unfortunately for the surface area of the pool we have to have the number of bathrooms not for the number of people that will be in the pool at once and i can imagine that it's complicated calculations as far as runoff i'm i'm concerned for the health of the pond because that's where everything ends up and if we infiltrate into the eventually the raw from the hill muddy and trashy and whatever even though it may be filtered runs in the pond i would urge perhaps some kind of rain garden low at the at the end of the hill before you get to your  could be vegetative and perhaps take care of some of that runoff before it ends up in your system and they're shy it into the eye of meeting with a conservation agent and that was a conversation we have to look at those type of thing but all of that i mean one think in terms of going directly in the culvert would only be off the hill all the impervious services where you have more impairments coming in that would actually have to go through a storm step system to make sure we get everything out of it before it all does end up in you know quite hot but we have to treat that again quite frankly to ok to two more questions i hope their brief does having a this is perhaps superfluous does having a diving tank increase the town's insurance because of the no ok great and  that use the the rink the little sort of psychosis a area that is occasionally use for volleyball the summer and occasionally is for skating in the winter is always just there and i always hate to see some underused town space and for the few times we have a flood that can be frozen and skate a bowl by the time it's not a home plate and no way or the few times that it isn't flooded for a swamp in the  summer for volleyball is is there not a way to use this space a little more effectively and i guess that's my question thank you and thank you for all your work and i think there are ways perhaps that we could use that a little more effectively  during the time that it is not a small up in the summer time which is you know does happen we could have the balo we could have volleyball again part of it is that those kinds of uses dropped away for some reason in our town and  were not picked up again but certainly when my children were going to the pool there were volleyball nets there all summer and there was a big tetherball up on the up on the hill so they're not costly those are things that we can do it is true that you might have to weigh rubbers when you play volleyball but except for the habs i think that it's certainly a good use of it and it is true that in the wintertime we don't have as much cold weather as we used to but never the less we have had this winter  several days in fact over a week of which children could have skated on that area if we had taken better care of it one final comment i don't see the clarke house siting and sledding as conflicting at all because there's tons of space and they can get a head start all the way from school street down the hill and hope we don't hit any trees but i do want to support that as well i do too but i have another point occurred to me as i listened to all the people interested in the bubble possibly i don't think we should do it now but it is a great idea for the future of possible and with that in mind i wonder if it would be possible when you've got everything dug out to make a foundation or a preparation so that a bubble could be inserted later with minimum expense and not everything that would have to be dug up and and destroyed again oh absolutely that's something we will take a look at that we have not talked about it we can certainly look at that we know what you know what the implications are that's very simple that we work on a number of health clubs that have bottles you know with have to be in everything how to do that in the ground and  karen sapolsky precinct one having lived in belmont for forty years and never used the pool because i'm a huge it mainly as a child and a parent child facility i'm delighted to see that attention is being paid now t possible adult uses however i'm a little bit worried about sort of talk of teams and meets and things like that i see a great deal of the space in the adult area being taken up by  lap lanes which i hear a flexible basis but when you consider that a lap when persons in the lap lane using it that way that that person has a significant percentage of the water all to himself i have or  herself i have tried swimming in pools that have left lanes and gotten clobbered because they don't want me in their lane just cooling off just paddling about and there's less space given to people who just want to come down to the pool and get in the water and cool off and paddle around and i'm a little bit concerned i'm hearing a very strong emphasis on using this as an athletic facility almost like a gym pool and i hope that this is mainly a man it matter of future management but i hope that it will be that adults will be able to enjoy in the same way kids do that play in the water as opposed to  athletic prowess the way you're looking at the lap lanes now we have a draw on the starting blocks and we have a drawing with lane lines in place that's if you are actually doing six lanes of competitive swimming typically on a pool that is a one has open swimming going on that poor would have people in the diving area people swimming in the shallow area and maybe it's the two and lanes are set in place which will give a designated area and usually they'll allow two to three people who do an exercise back and forth the lanes are lined up so they can be off doing their laps winning but then you would have basically thirty feet of the pool in the other direction thirty by seventy five feet of open swimming area  becomes a process for management if six people show up and say i want to laugh then they can take a lap and it depends on how the op i mean a lot of times it's ideal you put two people in but this is doing right no exercise they swim opposite each other in the lane can at it again that would you know they don't have they could become an issue where you had another lane depending on what the usage is a lot of times a lap swimming has more to do like with morning hours so that you can have laps ready people before afterwards that really becomes management were providing the minerals in the process how many lanes are kept open during various times i mean the pools are flexible and will change over the course each day each hour the day depending on what's going on swimming lessons  swim practice of the resists from practice things like that ok i can i can i answer that question on the lab swimming i know in the indoor pool when there are lap swimming hours in the evening it's usually workable you know  adults managed to work something out ok there are any further questions well we appreciate everyone's coming i think i have given you the time frame that we're working under we hope that people will support what we're doing and if necessary we can have another public hearing after our a public meeting after we have further into stone so thanks again