home in the hearts of every firefighter the first one it's really when you go through the celebration of pain and sworn and it's a number of perfection that we all all very near and dear to our hearts others will be recognition that we might get for a job well done others that we also hope to reach sunday as promotions someday maybe their chief see all the coverage for that one and then you know really i just to offer a prayer for our town in gratitude we prayed this night for the opportunity to be here to bless our town and its citizens on this night in particular we asked to to bless the members of our police and fire department who serv amen thank you  the first part of the yard of our night is going to be ours are still pending and swearing and i cannot tell you how proud i am of the three folks that you're going to have come up here and i think once you hear their stories you'll know exactly why we do our very diligent process to find the right folks that fit foxborough whenever we hired down the three that you're going to see tonight are our residents graduates of foxboro high and have worked very very hard on their own to make sure that they provide the best services for the town foster always resident at this point i have deputy chief back we get upset few words and bring those  everybody the three young men who were going to swear in tonight although they're new to the career service in foxborough they're not new to the fire service in general they all come to us from from other departments with a variety of training and experience they're very highly motivated they're dedicated you know they fit well among all the rest of the guys we're going to have a long and very good career long after many of us are around anymore but like a chief said we're very proud of all of them and looking forward to working with him for many years we could call call in sweeney pat rocket and at this time we're going to have cheryl rocket come up and do the pinning on patrick ok once again congratulations to all the guys going to move into the second part of the program tonight and it's a recognition ceremony before we do that i just want to say a couple things about our paramedic program now that we're in two thousand those guys make a difference in a lot of people's lives and you know the other firefighters who now who are paramedics work just as hard as those guys and they also deserve to be recognized too because of the contributions that they make whether it's a serious accident or a technical rescue or something like that all the guys they really go the extra mile and help the public in any way that they can we're up to nineteen out of the twenty eight firefighters to fox where police were also dispense a route to the call fire alarm updated companies that the patient now had passed out was not breathing and c p r was in progress was being administered by who was at the gym working you know shortly thereafter patrolman steve mcgrath the arrived on scene and immediately asked the gym personnel for their automatic the food he immediately attached to the patient rescue three then arrived on scene would firefighter paramedic rogers in higgins at that time the paramedics begin their advanced life support assessment of the patient which included cardiac activity monitoring the within approximately thirty seconds the patient's heart came back to a normal normal rhythm and he had a blood pressure in normal pulses c three then arrived on scene also with firefighter paramedics negatives in color and they had system of treatment removing the patient from the third floor gym to the rescue the chain of events i just described especially vice bystander c p r performed by casmir was in the media a recognition of that rhythm treatment of this heart rhythm street with a side room saved the life of this patient mr gary said rowley who is here with us tonight as a shift commander this is a problem for me to work with such highly trained dedicated personnel about twenty years ago a series of novels to be awarded to different individuals in the last twenty years we've had very few medals awarded for the life saving award and tonight on behalf of the foxboro police department our community i'd like to present steve with the lifesaving medal as a result of his actions sat night in january at the world it showed an understanding of being able to handle a critical incident to know what to do to continue the operation until the paramedics could arrive and it was outstanding police work and again i like to compliment him and present him with this m and service bar that he can we are in the future make it brief because i know there's a lot of things going on the sea evening but you take all the time you want to you when you have a wife changing event like this you certainly look at things in a different perspective you know i'm fifty five years old i've got a wonderful family i've got twenty boys i've got a loving wife what happened to me i don't remember a heck of a lot of so what i went to work out at the gym on a regimen i try to keep myself in fairly good physical condition but none of us never a you know if you haven't been to the doctor in some time i'm starting to become an advocate for you know get to know the inside your body a little bit and  certainly thought that i knew it but evidently you know you never know i'm not going to go into details about that i just as far as a life changing event goes i  i made some new friends and in person tonight i met casm mirror wants for the first time and she's going to be a friend for life officer steve mcgrath i spoke with him over the phone steve told me he had some health issues of his own any kind of knew exactly what i was going through and he helped me through it and god bless you both you guys as far as the seriously and you know none of us should ever take anybody for granted because they're the reason i'm here today and again all my new friends on the fire department the police department has america your her family i just want to thank you all for the  three individuals the three firemen that got that you got pain today you represent your reputations preceded you so very happy that you're from foxborough your your roots are very deep here and this is what it's all about so thank you all for coming in it's and all the people who work for the town oxfam i want to personally thank the police in the fire for what you do every day echo the same comments i think we don't thank our public safety officials enough we often just assume that they'll always be there when we need them and miraculously they are and we are eternally grateful for that so thank you very  mean the whole community what they do they step up all the time so i'm glad it there for us because when we call we really need them so thank you guys and girls appreciate everything tak this is a donation in memory of navy wife and navy mother dorothy sullivan the donors are blue cross blue shield of massachusetts missed sullivan's employer and we want to thank you cross blue shield for their red snapper realty trust that's in our packet and if you have any comment you just make it to the planning board thank you the third item is a new hackney license for gordon and lyons the so i move that we approve the hacking license application for gordon and lyons the third i'll second the motion discussion always and forever fourth item is from the foxboro regional charter school for a five k to ten k road race on ten twenty five fourteen and to ten thirty a it's to benefit the friends of the foxboro regional charter school for the retention and recruitment of high school high quality staff members chief o'leary has signed this and police details as needed will be brought on so i move that we approve the application for the five to ten k road race scheduled for ten twenty five fourteen a second the motion the discussion that going to be discussed under the meals tax that's for your information and roger had provided it to me i provided to you for information purposes and if you want to use a few discussion tonight with the meals tax rogers also hit us you know this is kind of the fruit of the first real full year of pavement main its management system being in effect although we did some last year and a little bit the first year the first year there were seventy five thousand dollars appropriated but it was for a specific purpose for paving a portion of the mill stream and that's what it had to be used for and there were remaining funds from that that were used either at the subsequent annual time meeting we had and then we did quite a bit of a local just small projects on the local streets this past the twenty fourteen fiscal year was the first year we had substantial funding on her we had two hundred ninety five save some of the meals tax money from fiscal two thousand and fourteen for the spring in case the chapter ninety money was going to be laid again which it usually is and in doing that twenty fifteen budget what i did is i grouped the projects basically with according to the treatment methods that are going to be used to make the repairs and you'll see that there's a pretty good spread and the reason for that is i picked all the worst road service  ting streets unless they had other problems that we couldn't get to like if they have a specimen pipe under the pavement you won't see those on that heavy duty improvement list yet but they're on the horizon and we're going to be doing those  and so that that's what the twenty fifteen program is if you have any questions about the program itself i mean we're happy answer them there that the spring spring meals tax money that we're going to be using for leftover twenty fourteen is all going to be used like crack simply because we have a lot of subdivision roads that really aren't in bad shape but they've got a lot of cracks in them and water is the enemy of all pavement and if you do a good seal program you usually can get an additional five years of that having to do any more work on those roads and then maybe come back and do something else after that so we try to suit the program to the condition of the road but at the same time pay attention to taking care of normal routine maintenance so that we don't have pavements getting a worse condition every year if we do nothing with the road it automatically deteriorates two to three points a year  depending on how severe the weather is that went there and i can tell you that this what it hasn't exactly been the best one i've ever been through i had i had plans to do what i call the front door  i'm going to have to go with asphalt on that road there's no no way i can save the pavement without doing that and the same thing is true with judge warren road which he sent piece of foxborough boulevard we have a brand new building brand a rehab really open at opening up there next year this year that's going to play about four hundred people met a tech and i would like to see that road finished before mehta tech gets that project done so that the people come in they'll have a good road to travel on instead of the pothole mess that's out there right now so if anybody has any questions be more than happy to answer them could you spend a minute i know you did more street needs felter and it was just overlaid them with a can can you explain what if people are watching tonight the difference between paving and leveling course ok because i know you did one thing people would think it was paved in the up or pavement job which was not the case right both more street and the smelter street the part that we did have have had problem was that they were both they had extremely low road service ratings and we spend an awful lot of time in the winter on roads like that just patching potholes and the asphalt that we have to buy to patch potholes is more expensive than the asphalt that we used to do regular paving by quite a bit we'd buy it we pick it up at the plant but our bid price is eighty five dollars a ton i can buy asphalt and have it laid and delivered to the job site and have a paving crew there and rollers and everything else for sixty five dollars a tonne don't don't ask me why but that's that's what the prices and one of the very most difficult jobs to do is to to patch potholes in the winter because if there's water in a pothole and you try to patch it it doesn't work it just doesn't work and that's wh had this winter and many cases stay after several storms lots of water it rained at following our during some of the storms so what that what we did is we overlaid those with a very thin leveling course and that's that's what you see on more street today and that's what you see on that part of east beltre street today however in the spring we're going to put a full pavement on those permanent pavement and they'll be like a new condition then and they'll get a road service ending up around in the high ninety's and it will be a long time before we have to do any additional work on those two major roads and that they are two major roads and the cape seal project i looked at a whole ball i looked at every road in town even after we had them rated by the consultants during the payment maintenance management plan preparation and i felt that that i needed to do something with roads that were too severely cracked just to do a crack sale on so i cherry picked of the worst ones and the most difficult ones to work on and the first thing we did with those roads is we went in and we raised and level all of the the payment structure the catch basins  manholes the water gates and ever any any cast iron device that was in the roadway we brought it up to a good level in good condition and there was a lot of work involved in that we did the same thing with the areas that we're going to crack see on the spring and that is a difficult job i can get to i can probably get maybe three or four basins a day and if i have to knock out all last fall the round of the take the castings off and regrade the top of that at the manhole and then put the casting back on level it up and cemented in it's just a lot of work and i'm only got seven people so it's hard to do a lot of those but asphalt with fivers in it to seal the cracks that's immediately followed by what they call a chip seal and that's where they apply a fairly heavy overlay of asphalt the motion to the to the surface of the road and right behind it they have these chippers that actually spread stone chips into that asphalt the motion it takes a little while for the asphalt the motion to cure usually about two or three hours and then it binds the chips down to the road surface about a week after you get that chip sealed and you have to sweep the excess stone off and then it's followed by what's called a micro surface and that's what you see in those developments that either the cape seal on what the micro surfaces it's a mixture of mineral filler cast fault emotion and portland cement and it takes about an hour and a half to set up once you apply it it goes down at about five an inch but it completely coats the chip seal so that the road surfaces smooth and people can ride bikes or skateboards or whatever they want to do without getting skinned up if they happen to take a fall and it it's much easier to deal with subdivisions with that cape seal than it is with just gypsy all the people that live in subdivisions that would be calling the board constantly if we just did gypsy eels and residential areas it's not a not a good program to do in residential areas it wasn't fifteen twenty years ago thirty years ago and it isn't today either so what the k c a l does is it not only levels out the road surface to a degree not perfect but to a degree it seals it with three actual layers of asphalt that cracks feel the emotion that's laid down before they put the chips down and then the micro surface and basically stops water penetrating the subgrade and you can see that even today if you go out to like dudley hill those streets up there that's a big glacial dribble and with bad soil but the roads are in pretty good shape now because w only downside to it is when you first put it down it comes out a little ripley and people were concerned about that but the first big snowstorm really when they when you get the blades down you take all the ripples out and in this ring it's going to look like new pavement so i think it's effective it's a lot cheaper than asphalt it runs about roughly about six seventy five a square yard compared to ten bucks for asphalt so it's a good program for certain applications you can't use it everywhere and doesn't work everywhere this next next year is program i don't have a lot of cape seal innit right now but after we have the discussion tonight i may add a whole lot of streets to it depending on what to do these the whole we're going to rebuild the whole east portion that just that between mechanic and cook acid that's the one we did all the water work on last last summer and we're going to take the sidewalk out i want to put a slow face granite edging along that side and build a new sidewalk behind the edging and then rebuild the whole road surface so that that part of just our street is done with we have replaced all the old bad pipe under it done all the service connections no more black water in there knock on wood and that's what we're going to do with mechanic street this summer from just a straight all the way up to the sharon line you know might be a good idea you brought up the water you took the opportunity to put in the foxboro reporter last year kind of a summary of w the water is during that period of time when you kind of explain to everybody if you know could be bullet items but a couple paragraphs in the reporter that says look we've done x amount of percentage of the eighty eight miles of road this is what you see this is why you see it so and people see the chip seal they don't think it's just a poor pavement it's an economical step to the next one i think that would help a lot of people i did it good idea we'll do it ok great we'll continue the one in section one hundred in chapter one thirty six section four town of foxborough revise general bylaws article five section six and also stating rules and regulations will conduct a public hearing on tuesday february eleventh two thousand and fourteen seven forty five p m in foxborough high school media center to review the application submitted by n p s l l c for the one direction where we are concert this event is proposed for gillette stadium application for this event is on file specific show just to kind of frame why we're here ok we were approached about this and we realize it's a very unique situation to be applying before tonight for consecutive four consecutive dates and when we were approached by live nation to do so we we spent a lot of time internally just talking about you know with all the events we have going on how we could handle it if if we could handle it and we and there were a few reasons that we well thought out reasons why we wanted to move forward and have the discussions with chief larry and chief hatfield was dealing with live nation live nation we haven't unfortunately haven't done a lot of business with live nation over the last six years seven years live nation is the biggest upfront with us when they called us about these dates and it was either you know come to gillette with these two if if a deal could be struck or they would take them and then go to the boston and play them in boston they were in it wasn't posturing it was just the we w their first choice so we wanted to see if it was possible to to do these two dates live nation will be the promoter for both one direction and luke bryan so we we talked internally and and we have some want back and talk to their senior staff about whether they could do it as is well so we fortunately got together and it was it was a week after the divisional game and they told us that you know with some conditions they certainly could handle it would be a challenge but something that we collectively could do so just to get into some of the details about gates in you know ticket prices etc but for one direction for example we were able  to condense the show so instead of going to eleven fifteen at night they've agreed that they would end all three shows not just the saturday show at ten thirty at night to help with staffing our research has shown crowd don't expect public safety issues to any degree at these at these one direction shows biggest thing we've we've had and we've done successfully with taylor swift as the parent pick up and drop off and we happen to have a perfect set up for that with ourselves retail lots it's ideal for parents to come in drop they could stay in the snow fee and they as a central location but it's large enough where they could do parent pick up and parent drop off pick up and drop off for their kids and then on the luke bryan show we talked about it not being a festival it just being a concert in other cities luke bryan is playing the show starts as early as four thirty in foxboro would be six p m start which would mean opportunity for past festival buyers to participate in the presale we talked about a handful of things like the hocking buried in the stands for the luke bryan show at all and actually we there was a benefit that we got from the chiefs we collectively thought of having that concert on a sunday as opposed to a saturday where monday is you know the next day being a work day for days is certainly a challenge and you'll hear you know some of the things we collectively have come up with and it was great collaborative effort to break rooms for example we tested this a year ago with kenny chesney for this for the shows and we do it for all of four shows we would  they ideas to take over on both levels of our press box and make that a public safety break room just you know with catering dark areas areas place for them and the public safety personnel to go in just recharge for a bit and just get out of any any of the noise of the event we talked about putting up those holding cells that we do for the doing country music festival and even though i think any of us feel that they'll be needed but they'll be in place and they can be in place both at the stadium and at the public safety building if chief wants and just in case they'll be there is contingency and we also talked about advanced trips for any personnel that like to go see you know with a crowd at a luke bryan show to see you know if there's anything different that we haven't experienced before we can do the same for one direction although i think we've done a lot of kids bands in the past but that is that opportunity is out there and we spent a lot of time talking about covering any cost that the town may occur for public safety that for the event and make sure that there's no impact on the community no impact on the town resources for any event any four events at all and we do the same for the george strait show that we have the end of may the other two areas that were we talked at length about what is north street and any traffic on north street and and every event is different the does the profile is different of the attendee you know we find for the kids the kids x taylor swift and probably for one direction high occupancy per car so we don't expect a lot of back up on to north street however we've offered to the chief and we will do it for all the shows if you like to have an n f l type of checkpoint set up happy to you know funded provide the signage directional signage etc we would take care of passes to the residence so they wouldn't be impacted and would be just like an n f l stage set up with the checkpoints coming down beach or coming it across and pacing and we would do all that direct mail to do that last thing was with the cabs we  understand that cabs are an issue it at these concerts probably not so much with one direction but again we'll offer this for the for all the shows even for the drug trade show there's seems to be a lot of cap drop off and pick up ashcraft lane on north street and also with the mcdonald's hercules placer in those areas so what we'd like to do is work with the cab companies and have our one of our lots it's a large lot lot too which is if you come in from rodman forward and before you take a doing an ad in the newspaper you know week or two before the event just to remind everybody about what's happening what the road restrictions maybe of maine may not be whatever the chief decides just to remind everybody about traffic patterns and the timing of the event so we'll happily  do that and then lastly i just want to officially you know go on record as saying we understand this is absolutely not precedent setting in the only reason we are before you tonight is that it's three boy bands and then a concert we would not be here if it was three concerts and avoid we are doing to our if it were you know for bruce springsteen shows a paul mccartney says we would not be here for that and the only reason would be for you and we have such confidence is that it's a kid's band and we know the history and we know how to work with well with the parents and the kids at these events and we i mean we meaning the stadium and public safety we've unanimously supported the one issue that was brought up there was the mass tax free holiday and all feel that that holiday will be the following weekend it won't be that the weekend of these shows so the route one business association unanimously supports it and then also with this statement visor we respectfully went to them once informally and just laid it all laid it all out to them we know there's a lot to digest and we wanted to let them think about it met again the week to talk to have jim talk to you about our staffing level you know both chiefs have pressure tested both jim and mark briggs to make sure that we could handle it before they took it back to their senior staff so jim is available if you like that o same one that we've been before you already on and then at ten thirty where asking for saturday night august ninth now and their move will have the same parent pick up and drop off set up in pla you have had in the past for taylor swift and that we will have the first two dates of the show we are asking for dates at six p m and music will start at seven with the event ending at ten thirty and again all three of these concerts will and at ten thirty p the ticket pricing is the same for tickets range from forty four dollars and five cents q one hundred twelve fifty five we have got it an entirely reserved stage an area no ga no pit where concerned about manning and we were guaranteed that manning and staffing would not be a problem over those four days that they would be able to call up both the fire and police support in the stadium so that they would be able to have their adequate staffing as well and the flight satisfied with that there were also concerns raised regarding the neighborhoods basically the helliwell area and reservoir states which are the two closest and we have of the twelve members of the committee for people who actually reside there in those two areas we were see no input no complaints no considering you know four days is a post you know is mine but anyway not street i mean i have had people in the street that were contacted me again about the sounds but i mean reading the application chief alarie had noted that you were going to work out something with the limitless in the taxis on which is a great idea i think however i think i'd still like to see the signs in a street just for those people who don't go up to them you know just so they won't be idling the limos and taxis but that you touched on the things that i've been thinking of you touch on the things that we had we had brought up before so thank you very much the types of concerts you know the younger kids the older population and i think that's good that you guys are discussing it the things i'm hearing tonight the discussions with walpole the taxi drop off  brake area all these things are i know they're at some point touched with you guys but it's nice to hear that you guys are working closely on that i live close to north street sound has never been an issue and i can hear it in the area but it's never been an issue to complain so it doesn't surprise me that there's not a lot of people complaining about the noise you know it's a it's an open area concert and i think people expect to hear the traffic is that the big issue  the concerts that i've seen other than the country fests hasn't been a big you know gridlock area where there's four of them i'd like to see it explored a little bit with the taxi stand the advertisement in the mailings that you do if you can address the north street and  know putting road blocks and passes i hate to do it if it's sometimes it's more of a burden to the neighbors to have the road blocked off than it is not to have it i just don't know you know for concerts in iraq it's go a big issue with the neighbors or not in the sim and that's what you guys talked about as well and your feeling is not to do the roadblocks or do the roadblocks we would like to see them do the same traffic patterns and roadblocks game going right and james they've they let you through if you do you know pretty much you they know you're familiar i know on them and i know some relatives but i mean i've gone to people's houses up there and so i don't think it's really an issue they're insurance and the cost impact but it sounds like everything that is being impacted with respect to cost policing is being mitigated by the patriots i think it's very complete and i like the discussion that you guys had right i think this is really well done i appreciate that and especially hopefully this will address the north street issues and i just want to ask will there be a detail there to keep people moving front so that they're not idling there and direct them to the special the special taxi place thank you ever one of the components about the traffic congestion is usually develops when the event is going on it's not prior to the a bat it's just prior to the end of the event because then everybody smy agree as part of the action plan that will have in place although i don't perceive it's going to be as much of an issue with the one direction but probably will be for football  and second of all the traffic coming in and out of putnam way so far less then you have during an n f l game you're the only other question i had was recording the insurance i know we're discussing it later on with john davis yes so give you a little update on that we will have a more full discussion with him after the in the executive session  so i asked him for tonight's purposes for any suggestions the suggestion that he had was that it be if you feel comfortable with everything else that you license license it conditionally with the idea that you said you pick a specific date say may first to have all the insurance issues resolved by that date and if they're not then we deal with the issue at that time but you know that's his suggestion and i believe you know we're starting that process a lot earlier this year we should have that resolved very quickly and he'll have a better you know explanation for you tonight about where all of the insurance pieces fit but fit fit for purposes of tonight that was his suggestion i think it makes a lot of sense so i'm a first would be three months before motion i move that we approve the license for one direction where we are tour for august ninth two thousand and fourteen seven p m to ten thirty p m subject  to receive the receipt of appropriate and certain acceptable insurance coverage by make no later than may first two thousand and fourteen second that motion be more discussion section four town of foxborough revised general bylaws article five section six and also stadium rules and regulations will conduct a public hearing on tuesday february eleventh two thousand and fourteen beginning at eight p m in the fox for high school media center to review the application submitted by m p s l l c for the luke bryan that's my kind of night tour this event is proposed for gillette stadium application for this event is on file at the office of select and all part interested parties are welcome to atte thing that dan had previously pointed out this being a sunday show and also this not being branded as a new england country music festival is simply a stand alone country concert at the stadium we are anticipating far fewer issues that we have had in the past we asking for a later time as well as a leader music time so gates at five p m and music at six p m the ticket pricing as well as the stage layout are exactly the same right now as the one direction shows for the forty four dollar ticket right up to one hundred twelve dollars and unlike previous country shows that we've had at the stadium everything will be reserved so there's no ga there is no pit it'll be the same exact floor and ceiling as one direction of trusting the standard curfew time eleven fifteen at night perhaps a regular patriots game even though the crowd is bigger with the patriots game you know i just remember last year there were concerns raised by the record a lot owners about the times but i think last year we did a better job at holding a very thorough appreciate all of the additional work that's gone into this there's a lot of attention to taking into consideration i'm sure of the exhaustion factor that's coming in here for the fire and police workers so that thank you very much brian that's my kind of night tour scheduled for august tenth two thousand and fourteen six p m to eleven fifteen p m subject to the receipt of an acceptable insurance coverage policy on or before may first two i've got you know fiscal twelve we collected six hundred and sixty seven thousand but since that was the first year it was a study year only ten months we only appropriated three hundred seventy five thousand three hundred thousand to  seventy five thousand to road reconstruction so there was two hundred ninety two thousand that was collected in that year that was not appropriated and certified it is free cash and still is sitting in free cash that was fiscal twelve and fiscal thirteen we had a full year eight hundred nine hundred thousand meals tax we appropriated that year wanted thousand for open hundred thousand for roads and but we had a again a remainder of three hundred thousand nine hundred thousand you know what the reason we've under appropriate in those first two years those are our first two years with the revenue stream we weren't sure exactly what the levels were going to be if they were going to be sustainable so in this year in f y fourteen we appropriated seventy seven hundred ninety five thousand five hundred thousand four opeth two hundred ninety five thousand for roads and if we had our target we're looking to to collect about eight hundred forty four thousand we may be about forty nine thousand in the black but that would be able to be appropriated you know until the following year so just with the amounts that haven't been appropriated from f y twelve n f y thirteen receipts which are now sitting in free cash but i've got them you know your mark there is meals tax receipts and to be compliant with the board's policy only be appropriate for roads and and open so the six hundred ten thousand seven hundred eighty two dollars that can be appropriated at the next town meeting for either of those purposes or whatever the  for opec because we're still not funding at what's called the arc annual required contribution if you're color strategy has been to build up to that you know slowly and so we continue to go up the ladder if you will so i'm recommending six hundred thousand dollars from the eight sixty nine for open the remainder for roads two hundred sixty nine thousand and that still leaves six hundred and roughly eleven thousand to be appropriated and before we talk about that i just  did a very simple projection here on the sheet that you see here to look out for the next seven years beyond f y fifteen to look at to contrast the projected revenues expected for meals tax in its assume three percent increase so we have a longer history with this thing through percent annually you know that that's that's the estimate that you know i would recommend i would recommend going much higher than that so we see something like that sustain so if the strategy that you know that i've recommended is that we ultimately get up to funding the arc the annual our contribution so even with six hundred thousand that we're contributing i'm recommending that we contribute next year to ofat but we still have about another million and a half to go to get up to the annual required contribution so most communities haven't started and those that have  started you know most most of them have started are you know getting their tone of the water and they're slowly trying to cooperate that into their operating budgets we've been fortunate so far you know we have this additional revenue stream that we've been using for this purpose so i recommend we continue to do that but we look to get up to the fully funded level another million happy on six hundred thousand or two point one million annually over the next eight years so going hundred thousand next year two hundred thousand a year for the next five years and then two hundred fifty thousand in the remaining two years and at that point with the way that the plan changes that we've made we should be funding  at the arc level so as you can see here in in two thousand and seventeen the amount that i would be recommending assuming the board is you know is supportive of the  strategy the meals tax unless it's you know doing better than it has been would even cover the the open contribution at that level so then it's going to start to do what it's doing to other communities that are trying to tackle this liability which is it starts to creep into the general fund receipts and puts pressure on the on the general fund but by doing it over a longer period of time where revenues are growing you know we should we should be able to  incorporate that not incorporating that you know ultimately just cost the community more down the road so so as you can see here in you know two thousand and fifteen it's sixteen those fiscal years you know neal stack supports the strategy in seventeen it would end for what it would consume all of the meals tax revenues and therefore you know nothing for roads that's just that's the current recommendation at this point only decision that's what we need to make before time meeting is what to do you know with next year's funds which is the six hundred thousand i'm recommending but i think that gives us a context to consider the pavement management program that roger has put together because he h rick recommended funding requirement for next year as a minimum and then and then maybe some other things and so we can be supportive of that and then in that let roger articulate what the funding that he's looking for and then there would still be some additional dollars out of those six hundred ten thousand if you supportive of roger's recommendation that we should talk about it should it go well to roads  decision point here on the six hundred ten thousand so the good news is that as we improve the roads our cost to maintain will go down but remember this program has only really been in serious effect for a couple of years and so we're still a long way from having all the roads up that so we had a reasonable road service rating the good news is that finally and this took more than fifty years the state is talking about bonding chapter ninety money at least over the next five years so that we know ahead of time what our annual appropriations going to be when they do the bonding they haven't done it yet but they're talking seriously about it this past hour the two thousand and fourteen fiscal year that the legislature appropriated three hundred million dollars statewide for chapped and i any the governor sequestered one hundred million dollars of it the town's never saw that our appropriation for fiscal year fourteen was six hundred eighteen thousand dollars my guess is that that hundred million i know that hundred million has been spent and both jay and sen timothy tell me that there are awash with funds up on the hill but the governor won't let go with one hundred million so i don't want to count on that but the speaker now is saying that he wants to to appropriate three hundred million for fiscal year fifteen also if that happens that would raise our chapter ninety allotment by about another three hundred thousand dollars bring us up close to nine hundred twenty thousand somewhere around there so there's a possibility the state may do that but we can't count on that right now we can't bank on it it's just not at a point where we can say we're certain it's going to happen however the bonding is very positive because it does give us a future outlook for at least the chapter ninety funding the good news about the payment management plan his that in addition to the things that it does which is great the roads it also has as a base a very accurate g i s and i have had our technician run every mile of road in foxborough to to determine what the real mileage is in foxborough morrow and what we're really maintaining and what is accepted and what is not except that i know this is been done before but this morning ryan came to me and said i finished it we have another eight miles of road that's not on the state list that's accepted roads in foxborough eight miles is ten percent of what we have on their list right now that will drive our annual appropriation up by another sixty odd thousand dollars and i was pretty happy with the results of that but i would let him get away with just telling me that i said you've got to go up and get bobby cutler to certify all of this and we need to get it down to down to the state of the district and get on a list no guarantee it'll apply fiscal year fifteen because that money is probably already you know stacked out somewhere but we'll give it a shot but it will apply after that in sixteen he got me the list today so i'll work on it this we can get it back to him greater to the state but i challenged him further i said ok of  we actually came up with one hundred thirty five miles of road total that that the town has some sort of stake in in other words even if it's a private road i have to plow it because the people pay taxes and we have to provide for public safety we don't maintain them but we have to plow them so i told them the first thing i wanted to do is take every non public private road and x exacted from the pavement maintenance manager plan because we're not going to spend town funds on private roads exceptionally nice and he's doing that as we speak or what just before he went on tonight  and i said you're going to come up with them with the remainder the remainder will be streets that are not finished that the planning board may be holding bonds or some type of a cash guarantee on to get  done a lot of developers walked away in two thousand and eight and two thousand and nine and there are so many unfinished streets in the town of foxborough that we are holding revenue one it'd be very important to come up with a program that tells exactly what is being held and what can be done to expedite the completion of those roads because those if they do they are public ways they have to be voted on by two thirds vote a town meeting to be accepted and then they have to to be added to the list that will increase the chapter nine eleven further if we do that i can't tell you what that number is tonight because i don't know i don't know how many miles of that type of road we have but i know we have quite a bit of it because we were asked a couple of times this year to try to figure out if we could do surge money to do necessary repairs on one of those or two of those streets and share loss of all pay and play a big role in that so for the future as randy shows here it looks like for the next couple of years we'll have additional meals tax money available for roads but after that it will die and that's probably what needs to happen in the long run we probably need to to get the state to put up a larger share of the town's needs the m m a did a study a couple of years ago that showed that the actual funding level at that time should have been five hundred  mark knows and i know jim those that general construction items go up about anywhere around five to six even higher percent a year like this year that's why a pipe went up thirty percent so you really can't predict on the basis what are what i needs will be now in the future for for nine and that the state has passed a bill that that ties the state gasoline tax to the coal to the cost of living and  it's controversial him because there's a move afoot to get it rescinded to make a vote every year or every other year or whatever they're going to do but that could have a serious impact on job available chapter nineteen money my idea is and i taught any and i've spent a lot of time on this get as much done as we can get done because there's no guarantee we're ever going to have money like this again and if we don't get it done now it's it's to be a long time before we do get it done with the money with the funding be it what it is and that's why that was one of the reasons why i requested five hundred million on the c ip thousand five hundred thousand which is which is just to take that which is why you see the red two hundred thirty one thousand down below because that's the portion of the remaining funds that are available now that i would need to get up to five hundred thousand or any and i had a long talk today and both of us came to the same conclusion we need to put as much money into roads as we can this is a one time opportunity it's never going to happen again unless we get a whole bunch of new restaurants opening up and we have a very successful economy and it drives the meals tax up so that there may be some money in the future for roadways granted i won't be able to get all the work done in the year because i don't have the staff available to do that but the ne and i can plan work and i can i have some major streets that need to be done that require engineering and i can get the engineering parked and shelve the plans and funding because reconstruction when the when the money is available so that was going to be our recommendation to you that you appropriate the whole balance that's available free cash to roads this year as a one time appropriation and i live with what we get from that on then and i'll carry some of it for granted if chapter ninety goes up one hundred million i'll have additional funds and you can carry chapter nine hundred forty as long as you want to the money never goes away if you don't spend  there we're talking about the six hundred ten thousand yeah yeah that would be appropriate in the capital article article five along with the roads and so it's a capital probably a shot so it's a continuing appropriation it continues on you know to the next year and as you know we have several couple of projects to continue watch the money would stay within the roads program i was thinking it was linked to an operating budget ok thank you you know i think we have the opec payments pretty much under control and i think this is a great use of the of the remainder of the money i mean meaning voted far the inroads in i agree it's time to do the roads at least that's team people people can appreciate for materials it's going for staff engineering all this stuff we don't know where our staff with the money ok so it's not come at that doesn't go towards the operating so if you've got projects to do who's going to do it is it over time is it consultants that we hire well if say we're going to design projects most of anything that needed to be designed most likely would go out under three quote to a consultant that i shop in the fields out there i have to settle on one consultant i'm using whatever wants to propose in the physical labor is that in house are we hiring contractors it depends on how big the project is and like if we had it let's say we had a road that had a lot of castings on it i might contract that out under search but all the contracting that i do for roads is under search all the items and the good news about this is if i had certainty of funding i could put bigger quantities into my annual request a surge that would drive the formalise up and it would drive the price that it's you know supply demand i think the contractors bid less if they think there's a lot of opportunity for a lot of work so the big picture this disappears in two thousand sixteen the remainder of the roads money that's coming from the meals tax slides over to the open rarely right so i'd have to get by on chapter ninety money from that or the you know the board could certainly revisit you know the actually been a little bit of growth already but it really hasn't there was actually one quarter in there was interesting you know where we actually fourth quarter of two thousand and thirteen actually dropped yeah so there's still we still don't have a good history to have a very predictable revenue stream it's good enough to know that we're at this level but and i certainly expect it to to increase at what rate not sure you know three percent you know in that industry is conservative but you know we need to see some history i think before we can put a big number out there in the last question i had is is probably not directed maybe a little towards you but not you roger more towards this board the open special commission that was put together by the state came back at the end of last beginning last year with a report that said this is where the open expenses are coming from it's population it's  retirement it's the demographics so we can keep paying money towards opap but on the other side of that how are we controlling the costs and it's more of a discussion for tonight but some of the stuff that we've already started to do with the and unions and stuff but making sure we have a handle on that so we're just not taking it in and paying all paths and not controlling the costs and i've talked to a couple different time managers that control it a different way but i think that's a good discussion for this table at a different time but i don't want to lose sight of i mean that sometimes that's a bigger picture and not just the revenue to pay it but the actual expense that's going towards that excellent point that the board combined with the administration has done a phenomenal job over the last three years to address the town's cost unfortunately it's just about ca shifting but it's it impacts you what the town has asked to pay there's a big bigger issue on cost that's that's an industry issue but as far as what we can manage the board has taken excellent steps to reduce the precincts to five retiree percentage from seventy percent to fifty percent that has a real impact on on the open up liability the all of the changes to the help help plants that were negotiated last year to the g i c like plans has had a dramatic impact on on premiums and as i said last time i was here our actuary we have to update the actuarial study on the up liability every two years that is in process right now we should have that information within about a month we've already sent all of the data for them to crunch and we've already gotten some preliminary indications based on the rates that they're seeing and they haven't looked at this for two years  rates that they're seeing they're saying you're going to see a significant drop in your liability all things being equal just with the changes that you've made to date don't hold me to it there at the beginning of their analysis but he was talking you know somewhere the neighborhood of thirty percent so we're at fifty two million now and again there are a lot of other moving parts in this so i'm expecting you know a nice reduction to that which should mean our the arc the in required contributions should get closer to us so maybe we don't have to go up as high as what you see at the end of this spreadsheet maybe we hit it earlier for now but that's the current data point and you know the budget was at the board  d the town's not a great job at managing what we can on cost today so on stumm are there still a few balls up in the air they're not going to land in time for annual town meeting we think this is really important and well or just a you know i'm sure roger is looking for an indication obviously the c i p committee will be the ones you know be taking this up for consideration a recommendation back to the board but you're right just looking for i think if i have to fight a replacement for bob suddenly everything i've got to say can be said in open session that once i were concerned that perhaps my opinion about an open meeting love violation might have an adverse impact on either the attorney general's position or on the pending a b c c case but those of my opinion on one of those has already been made public so there's no worse impact i can say address open the lot of concerns so that's why i'm here is to to talk to those issues to provide my opinion on the allegations that have been aid and to make some suggestions as to at the initial level right and now we understand that they've been forwarded to the eighty's office for review yes so i believe the next step is that there would be some investigation conducted by the a g s office which involve ongoing right interviewing different people perhaps getting information together so i feel that that's the process we've always gone through in the past we need to stick with that process i'm not sure that i'm comfortable to have any discussion of opinions about that that's between the town and the a g s office to respond to when that time comes and i'd like to see that process follow its normal course that it has always done in the past this is very different what's being proposed right now is very different from what we've ever done before with open meanwhile complaints and the decision to talk about the open milar allegations in an open session is the board's decision it's not my decision i'm happy to do it my counsel is that you do so but it's your decision not mine as to whether you want to have this discussion i think and don't let it be a distraction any more but it's not my decision and so you and your colleagues need to decide whether you want to see it or not i think you should there's nothing that i think i have to say that it's harmful in a nickel to the process i what there is to discuss i think learning through the process is going to head at the at this point that the attorney general i don't know why the board would be discussing you'd be discussing it because it's been an issue that one of your members has patiently asked you to discuss it's it's an issue that has a great answer to him it's an issue of public interest i think you should do it i think you should get this behind you but you know if the board doesn't want if the board collectively doesn't want want to address it and then you don't you should what has to be addressed and what want to be addressed as is is two things you need i think there's a crying need for an explanation of the impact of this issue how important is it what does it really mean how does it affect the board going forward and then i think about ought to talk about a written policy with regard to how you handle over me law complaints in the future there's a lot of misunderstanding in the public about what's occurred in the past i hope i could clarify that i think there's been a lot of unnecessary attacks on people on this board because of  because we haven't had a chance openly discuss what happened i think those should be addressed and so i think it would be service board well to do it all of you but if i violation that's that's that's a separate that's a separate discussion why should we have two separate discussions on this when it's the attorney general's office is going to is going to render and people well the attorney general will render an opinion on that absolutely correct and the attorney general is is is not is not in a position to try to help this board get over the issues that have been talk about publicly look i come here because i was asked to come if the board doesn't want me to do this i won't do it why did you why did i just don't understand the process is going forward it's at the attorney general's office like every and i guess now when i that's still an option if the board wants to have a full discussion it's your option to make that vote and do that but i can tell you that initially i was not in favor of having a discussion about this at all and i was surprised by comments jim that you made in the paper and because you know i don't think that's necessarily helpful to a board when board members go to the press and you know make comments or whatever but in doing that i think that kind of and i mention this to arraign in a conversation we had the other day that it provides an opportunity to have this discussion and to explain that the a g s office is really the operator of this matter and regardless of what dick's opinion is or what my opinion is as to whether or not there was a violation in any of the matters the one  opinion that matters is that of the a g s office so you know maybe this is an opportunity to have just a discussion without anybody getting their dander up in without there being any yelling and screaming and and to get it out and get it in the open and move forward because you all know the amount of time that you've all invested in this this subject i know dick has invested a lot and i've invested a lot in it it's really becoming it's bogging us down and if one member insists that they're not going to participate on certain issues because of it then we're where is the board going to go and where does that how does that help this board deal with their business so it's out there you have a couple of options you can not talk about it which is what has been the case you can talk about it for us in open session and then if you want to come back with any kind of resolution in executive session then come back put in which this issue and this morning i want to choose for so i would rather see this right now take five minutes make it go away and just and it and then decision but you see i don't hear she made an announcement and it was clear it was simple and that one way i think the real point is is that you know when i think of open meeting law i think of the law as i mean it's right in one of the cases that was cited in dick's opinion on this issue that i read into last week the purpose is to ensure that there are no secret to liberations what i read last week every single topic there was confirmed that that was not my opinion but the opinion of the special counsel as was stated to me and everything was vetted publicly during both hearings so reading that in last week was an additional way of ensuring that there's absolutely no issue here but there wasn't anything ever hidden from the public no no we intend it's a very  think that that's that's what i don't understand is that we've gone through this for each of these four issues and looked at them that way and in each case nothing was ever kept from the public  there is no issue if you that there are secret deliberations going on here so what all the hubbub you know dick you said to me yourself this is a waste of time this is a waste of taxpayer dollars that's right i think i think two things i think jim  has a right to have these issues addressed and i would have appreciate the opportunity to try to defend you and jenni that's what this is about so that people understand at least my full opinion on this that's all this is about and i think you get it behind you and i think it will clear and i'm you know it then we can just move one and i'd appreciate that and i really thank you the first one has to do with the allegation of a serial meeting violation when one of your members attended a meeting in the morning and then jenny in the rain  attended a meeting in the afternoon and as i understand it the same general topic it all have to do it splitsville all the whole different things were discussed you know and it was so so that's you know so that's where we have absolutely no doubt in my mind that if there were a violation it was inadvertent it was not not and intended it was because it came about because the open meeting law has a very complex technical statute in the way case law defines particular matter as a subject matter is very broadly and because  the public policy basis for the open meeting law is so important i and based on guidance we get from the a j you need i tend to look at and give it a very liberal interpretation but i want to make clear that i understand that you disagree and you disagree that's fine i have fine no problem with that we will disagree and that's ok and i can assure you that the attorney general makes own makes their own judgment they don't particularly care what i think or what other town council thinks that's the whole process is set up to take it out of the community and to make it for the attorney general to make an independent judgment all i did in that respect was i received a phone call from the assistant attorney general handling it looking for certain facts and that's all we gave he doesn't hear his he in this case doesn't call and ask for my opinion and that does know what this is about as i just needed some factual reason they called us my firm is because we had provided the a j with the three opinions that we were asked by the town to provide  i can also say without any doubt that none of you participated with the intent to hide anything from the public that's not what this sport is about and i think that these particular allegations i haven't warranted the amount of energy that we've had to spend on it but having said that the issue of how do you comply with the open meaning law how do you understand it how do you deal with in the future it is a very very important issue you all know that and i know you all agree with that and so you know my suggestion is that you task todd administrator the current one of when you just selected to come up with a written policy i'm not going to tell you what it is surprisingly i think a lot of be asked to address these issues but you know come up with a written policy and then you know where you're going it's also true that in my opinion in all of these instances whatever violation there had been has been cured by that i mean it's you've done the right thing you've you've expressed in open session what  you what the law requires you to do i don't think there is any impact whatsoever on the on the how you deal with splitsville go forward i don't think you've adversely impact right to bring this up you do it of a sense of duty jenny in the rain you act a sense of responsibility to the town you spend your time you go to these meetings and then it sort of hit with th meeting law violation where you never intended that to be the case at all and it's a shame it's a shame for all of you that you know you all giving so much as a community that you're angry with one another you're angry with me it shouldn't have happened it's this particular alleged violation isn't the kind of thing that i mean there may be a technical violation here but but the open meeting law really is designed to avoid these purposeful you know talk behind a back we secretly that's not what happened here right they've just didn't happen here so it's gotten much too much attention but the issues important citizens have a right look i'm sorry citizens have a right to come up and say that's just it that's the process of if you're a public official you're going to be criticized deservedly or not that's what will happen so you know my recommendation is put it behind you i don't want to talk to the this necessarily negative event into something more positive thank you using else you know me explain were where i was coming from and bob appreciate you bringing up the the newspaper article i was asked to participate in the meeting mark you know resident came in and said they had a complaint about an open meeting by elation involved you three and maybe that's why you got the short straw but i sat with bob the person came and laid out all the the issues in the in the concerns and had a letter that said on behalf of the board we don't believe that there was a violation but if there was it was cured so this person went in she had a file this big and said this is why i think it's a violation this is why i don't think it was cured how do you get from all of this please explain to a letter that says on behalf of the board we don't think there was a violation at that meeting bob wrote the letter and it was explained that he didn't do the investigation it was investigation which was different than all the other three that came after that so i did discussion with dick and basically said oh you didn't get the memo that was a violation all i wanted was to clean up this mess before it went to the attorney general because it's our responsibility as a board to answer that question not the attorney general the process is the complaint comes to the town the so many days for the town to do their due diligence do their investigation i was told that people didn't want to participate in the investigation that worked at town hall the letter went out that's not true jim i was told you were in that meeting that there were people that didn't participate it was all mean the same thing and he's been and there's been a discussion about that and that is just not true you know and i sat very so at that meeting again i was told that bob didn't do the investigation it was somebody else all that was asked was the person brought it back to bob and says take all this stuff can you bring it back to the person the attorney that we hire that did the investigation and ask him again the answer that came back as we work it out we will i will talk to the ladies i will work it out it was the impression and it was specifically said there was a violation so my question is how does it get from an attorney that said there was a violation on to the letterhead that said there wasn't a violation all the other three were investigated by him so all i said to the board was can we please figure this out before it gets to the attorney general week after week after week after cancelled meeting to discuss it now it's in the attorney general's hands ok it started out with the newspaper when it first came out there was articles by both of you that said and specifically you jenny i can't speak about it because i was told not to but i never said there was no comment but it looks like whoever made the applicant the accusation had help from an attorney that's what started this whole thing so now this person is sitting here saying what do i do the time went out the town didn't respond that person brought it to the attorney general and it's in the attorney general's lap right now i've got an attorney saying there was a violation i've got a town manager that says there wasn't a violation and i've got a board that doesn't want to talk about it and now going into the attorney general process and we're going into litigation with splitsville with this all three of these things occurring at once and if i hear one more time that you didn't violate it based on your opinion based on your opinion you've got an opinion and you have got opinion now we all just sit wait we wait for the attorney general to come back with the finding because that's what the mess is right now i don't know how else to avoid it and you just said today like i said there was a violation you have never said that dick you never put it in writing other than all these meetings that were going around last time we spoke you thought you said it publicly you went back to the tape you realize that you didn't so what are we supposed to do as a board when someone comes in with a complaint we give them a form letter that says in our best ability you did not we didn't we didn't violate it and send them on the way i don't want to be doing that well i'm go gone in a couple years people going to come and go but if this board can't act responsibly and address something from their paid attorney then we've got bigger issues jim i kind of resent some of the things you're saying it had asked me two times to ask him publicly and he would set this straight and that's that's what i've been doing i've been trying to explain to you and dick has explained to you that the reason why it was answered the way it was and you just don't want to accept the fact that it does not say there was no violation it says we don't believe there was and if there was one we've toured ok and that and i don't mean that's from the very discussion we can define the word and in but but when you say we don't believe there was a violation when our attorney said there was a violation come on you know i know you're an attorney and i know why you do it but that's not the way that the other then why not write we don't believe there was an all of the three that came out so what i'm thinking here is we put it behind us no debt was there a violation put it on writing you know fix it cure it according to the thing we would have been done months ago he's telling me today that was a violation and you're saying we don't believe there was a violation  beat it up now what i'm going to say now what our goal be to move forward to set a policy that there's a violation at this table of this board and future boards that we're going to have a policy we're all going to think about how we want to get set forth and you know if you came in and it was answered correctly why do we need a policy well i think they tell the table again that it's answered correctly so why do we need a policy that if i weren't it's worked the way it should work in the past so let's just cut to the chase and you do the investigation i  began the investigation and i've actually gone back and looked at the communications there were granted i began the investigation at some point i don't remember one and i'm not faulting anybody at all here at some point know maybe i violated in the past you know the planning board the conservation it's difficult but when a resident brings it up and says did you violate it i think that resident deserves a black and white answer not i started it but i started the investigation but then somebody took it over now we've got one investigation from a town manager the next when you started but you finished it you put it down in writing as you did the other all i'm asking for is a little consistency so we don't have to worry about this before if you did the investigation put it on your letterhead and finish the job why why start something and then have this mess because we didn't finish it that's all i'm saying jim a lot of it's revisionist history you're going back months and now sometimes to protect people or whatever the reasons are and they are doing answer the question so i did what i needed and says we don't believe that there was a violation and that was the opinion of the two people who are alleged to have violated the  open meeting while that was their opinion we had on behalf of the board right don't believe there was a violence you didn't say on the behalf of two people because it's because the complaint is made against the board come on and jim in the past the board has not discussed these the town manager has addressed them solely on behalf of the board as a representative for the board that's the way reason why it was done that way  this time and when when this thing has become much more than it has to be much more that it really is then we involve council and that's why he responded to the other ones because of you  know people not being satisfied with the responses or whatever the reason is we involved counsel at that time when they let me also say that you know i think this is a skosh in the board should be having about what is the policy you know i i fully appreciate and understand how a boy responded to the first allegation you know but the question is as a matter of policy given the importance of the open meeting law do you wan take as a board is that your policy that you want to take a litigators i don't mean that in a bad sense you know this is an allegation against a client litigators defend clients and so bob took  s point of view on how to answer that is that the policy the board should have are because of the nature or on the importance of the public mail or maybe our policy ought to be look we just do it straight by that i mean if you think there's a violation as we say it is because you know there's a record let's just do it straight if there's if there's a if there's a statute out there that is a law and we believe it's broken we say it's broken we don't answer like an attorney but you know i'll put that on the on the table and see how you want to respond to that is a poison just then to him it's pointless to the you know if you're going to do it take it that way then every time there's an elevation of an open meeting you going to have to have a discussion in open session potentially about the matter before responded to and that's why it hasn't been done in the past that's why it's been left to the manager to respond and when there is a legitimate concern you know you get the input you need to get to respond to it but to have a full discussion about it in open session that's never been the practice so i think it is my opinion ok i think if we get one in the future it goes right to tell counsel and let him handle it obviously it's going to come to your office or soon to be somebody else's office and the guy after that girl but i think that's how it should be handled we've never had issue before that's what makes it kind of harder to understand a move had i had one against me and for three or four board members back in zero seven about doing you visit there were four in two thousand and twelve but never discuss like that long i'm talking about the one i was involved in i'm just thinking the one i was involved in and was i was told by my attorney a special counsel that it would not be a violation i asked him point blank it to be a violation of we were we on this i think we should just you know at a future meeting with the new town manager talk about a policy would you think i think we have had an existing policy maybe written a certain procedure in place that has we had a meeting and i was told that there was a violation but our letter said we don't believe there was a violation but i guess there was a violation but we didn't believe it there was put up there was plenty of time to address it at the board before it went to the attorney  past the ages got it fine and i've already stated i don't think there's any consequences to those particular issues i don't think they matter very much at all frankly that thank you note that important but the issues are important jim and i think board should address the issue go forward simple as that you know my own take on it for what it's worth is that it's a tough law it's a very technical law i don't blame the council for making a mistake and tell me what to do it happens it just happened so you know my own take on it is is that you have a time manage a good deal with it initially i think town council whoever that might be at the time ought to have a gander at it take a look at it and you know that your town council give you a sense of how finds and can agrees that look i have branded dozens of opinions on open the law most of the time the a g agrees not always right not always you know maybe i got it wrong tyler possible i make violation you know and you've been cured don't do it again and that's it that's going to be the end of it that's that nothing else is going to happen on this thing you know is going to jail is going to be fine i was going to be penalize or criticize i understand opportunity to fix something and we're all still waiting for the attorney general and you know i'm disappointed that's the process man that's the process and then let's do a form letter that says every time that someone has a complaint we said we don't think there's a violation in we'll send it back because what you're saying and i understand what you're doing is speaking as an attorney we have an attorney we paid we should have let him finish it and we should let him did did do on this one we did what we let him do on the other three know you know now now we're going to waste more time with the attorney general and it's probably going to come back in a couple months in the middle of the splitsville issue and rolston well going to sit around saying this is something i could have been handled back in november back in december it was handled and so you know if that's your opinion and we keep going back to the same thing she saying we didn't violate it you're saying it was cured he saying it was a violation bob said he doesn't think it was a violation you know so you know i won't go to anymore these meetings to out everybody else's issue then you guys handle it yourself when this comes up and when when it comes up with me we'll just give everything to the attorney we'll give it to the town manager and then we'll give it to the attorney general because this is what we're dealing with and it's  disappointing you made that perfectly clear i just don't know where you want me what else you want me to do or say i mean i point is you're going to be asked all that if you want to put on the agenda to come up with a new policy but where we are right now is with with we're dealing with something that's unfinished business because nobody knows right now because of what happen to conduct strategy sessions in preparation for negotiations with personnel or conduct collective bargaining sessions or contract negotiations with nonunion personnel union negotiation 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