signed a petition so we thought we were doing what we needed to do but we didn't find out until after the fact that we were supposed done that before which would have required me after hearing when i received interested persons definition to stop the hearing and say i need to organize a petition it was in the impossible situation and because our do your view rules of procedure go immediately into deliberative sessions in other towns they don't and then you can submit stuff after the fact until they are going to deliver to session they in fact didn't need to review the application for two more week but if i am all by myself or not just me there is likes six of us if there are six of us and we're not residents and we're not ten we could speak in every hearing and it still doesn't try to fight you to be an interesting person i don't know how  taking we might take a position on the merits but that would be after a warning and i and discussion over here then we might at this point we can't do that because we haven't done all that i cannot by time times times if we could simply say requested the hearing be the postpone so that we can you know probably engage it because it is possible that we would decide to intervene on the side  since they thought they were doing the right thing for the ten i mean that you know if people aren't paying attention to how that ten runs because i you know i do i run it but that's a totally you know that's a different chair for the select board to stick its nose into that business and now night now suddenly it looks like the issue could never even be considered by the judge which is wrong i mean  we should really we should come down to argue one side or the other at this point but what we would like to do is at least have them have their case heard appropriately well yet in the mediation south of plains road and then thirty three is what was on the gravel portion little bit south of one fifty four and one fifty six and forty three  fifth percentile is the speed at which eighty five percent of traffic is traveling at we're below it's not the speed that eighty five percent is actually traveling so for station two and station two and three or seventeen northbound is forty three miles an hour in the southbound us forty four station three that's on the pay for shin south of the intersection with planes forty five miles an hour north bo forty the southbound was thirty eight but what they found when they looked into that really the details of the results was that for that thirty eight mile an hour speed  there was two days that had a significant amount of travel between zero and fifteen miles an hour which skewed the results so that it so that's when something really forty three southbound and then again that's for thirty three then for forty three hits forty three forty three so we have then is  for jerry thirty three showed of the four mile an hour increase or temper sent change southbound if you accept the thirty eight mile an hour figure it's a five mile an hour increase or thirteen percent change for jerry forty three one mile per hour and increased two and a half percent southbound to two miles an hour five percent going with the sort of reasonable assumption that that thirty eight the volumes have gone up significantly so i mean to me it is a bit interesting that while you have a significant increase in volume the speed hasn't increased significantly hasn't gone down the impression that it went down as wrong right looked at the big cost of installing the speed tables around seven thousand dollars we also did ask them to give us a price if  a volume question home and we we weren't really wanting to encourage much greater value well the key is though in terms of speed if you look at all the other material thirty five mile an hour world liner connectors as we call them is forty two forty three so the whole are always going over the speed limit slate so either week you know start putting the speed tables on all the traffic back to where it was before if that's what speed tables would do yeah i just did it were possible the barber farm has benefited by the paving of calo but that doesn't mean we follow right i mean it doesn't mean we'll barber you go to burlington so you're basically going in the opposite direction faster take the highway i absolutely know it because trust me when you have to pick your kids up at six or you get charged for every five minutes you're late you go t which i mean if you're coming from cambridge for a day of the fastest ways wherever from now well maybe not if you're driving your kids off in the middle school or the elementary school and you have to get to burlington go it's true from this little area that would be a good way to get to but for nobody else is a good way to get there but it was just amazing hollow is if you go down if you watch those cars they're going to be more people complaining about these and how they have complained about anything in my time on the board it is going to be a thorn in our side but i still think we need to do it that's where i'm at war why are you not willing to consider more because there wasn't really engineer said this is the only place you can put these but they're much more expensive and they're not working based on looking at here they're not doing it they're not doing enough so i'd rather do what's cheaper and what's already in the plan because we've already done this you know the work the work to design it that way and i want to see you know put those in it's not if you know if if we want to take them out of the lot cheaper now i think it was a nice drive yeah but i understand and i'm not saying this because you guys are here is going to say it anyway i know i understand what was said and i wish i really wish that people the only other thing is that there was this great guy here for and he lived in europe maybe was canada and he said that there were signs all over the roads there that say only you can prevent speed bumps meaning if if if yeah exactly only drive i'm not road we don't pay that speed and they could perfect the speed maybe up maybe a public information campaign could prevent us from having to do that well that's what i was wondering what we need something to out the town for good for that reason because  the impression that they had decreased was very surprising it just turned out to be wrong so i feel like i'm driving slower but i also think that there's a perception they're driving faster on gravel because there's less control so it's possible that still considered a class three two thousand and seven it's a class two yeah exactly and then the other one to the r p c even though this dr hello is a class joe because otherwise and even though it's not drastically cutting it out it's not that much faster it's really not but our goal is not to speed up the driveway at all so i think we need to do that and all over the side fifty sixty seventy feet out are all these you know ad hoc building while people try and make their way down to basic girls lots of places like this very come to africa five oh i'm sure and then you say well but most people are law abiding yeah but it's one of those five percent that kills your kid so you need something that's something that gets most people most of the and unfortunately i mean that i mean you started out by saying you have a kid i have two kids and i won't allow either one of them to walk alone fifteen for any thing i mean i don't  trust any but that's where fifteen minutes is much much faster than these roads but we don't have a car going out what i'm saying is you know i know people who live on the river with little kids i know a lot of families on the river and their kids are never on the record and they wish that there was a sidewalk because how frustrating is it that they're a quarter of a mile from shows and they live in this beautiful world so many can't never get the lads to walk to get an ice cream cone there's no way to get let alone cross the street which i realize is rude fifteen not our decision but you know there's no pedestrian access on lever either we've got hollow you know it's wider and there is more of a shoulder you're right but it sucks because it means we determined to fix it as we can piece by piece and that is the sign of exacts the picture for the whole gradually we've got to do this everywhere we've got to do whatever it takes sidewalk this is to me an alternative somebody from the yard like we were right and we can find a solution oh absolutely it's a it's a matter of will and money and the other thing is i mean we you know clearly the sheriff is going to be busy there's a you know he no one any road because i saw him in the sen do so it's a matter of you know if we can't buy this maybe we can buy you know x radars or whatever you know and you know in between or whatever we have to keep going and we just have to keep i mean i don't don't don't feel you know we notes on my computer but i don't want to or you guys i don't know how much detail do you need for us to i guess i don't know what the all the yeah i mean i know all the baseball because you know so i'm trying to spread it out so if you guys have any ideas for people actually contact i can also come from fort form and just ask for general but i think that's not with the way to go on the charter committee actively interested should be ok and you said have some skill set yeah but i was trying to keep it a little diverse if you know of anybody i already have three people so how many people got five five five because we're because i think that isn't that what the trust committee was who truth committee and certainly expanded because you want to have people so they don't know what's really funny is when you ask people if they'd be interested in you start to get their i d s and you know then so i've been sort of book cumulating all those different ideas this is  are right so there are some there is some overlap but if it really is i think going to be and look for instance when we have people come to us and say can we have a road race we say talk to our recreation committee member we have that injection right there was not just that's a perfect thing i mean even like parades or a five k race is a more like you know additional funding request for the baseball fields or whatever then the recreation committee has to look at that and make that suggestion and then so we're not i'm  you're right for i know a lot of towns the recreation committee is the baseball league you know or i mean they do a little bit more than that but a lot of times that is what we're reaching for is for kids sports teams  schools and the fire department because the roads are going to be closed for a good point of time at that location and the guard will be there so there's going to be some significant detour signage for people was that when they over they have something we'll go out in the summer double check because something we found times where they've said these things and we're not convinced that they necessarily mean were at all visited know you want me to know sorry once every two weeks right we wanted it done weekly because it gets a little long and we also included like spring and fall cleanup of this area of the green  and i don't know if that could be addressed also ye yeah it's been we've had we've left we have people who are doing it and there were no business so we had another guy who actually bit on this and couldn't always get up here so that's why we decided to include the maintenance of those things in with the commuters have been using and i was pleasantly surprised that they came in at six thousand dollars which is now much more than we spend on one of those radar yak signs so i think that's something that we can absorb we've got to actually because when they did the skim coat last year they skipped over it so we got to fill that in and then we paint the crosswalk and think we should do a step then we purchased the new system so it's in