present to conduct the business of the council thank you mr clerk and our opening remarks this morning will be provided by a member for bello thank you chair i have to apologize that was that really prepared until about twenty minutes hopefully you are second and final readings especially with our our budget that we went through and throughout the budget sessions and even after we may have  differences among ourselves or conflicts that we have to deal with within our community or even within our household often trying to understand why and how and how we can collaborate in our efforts to  so with that i'd like to share this short little story sort of in days gone by two brothers and kali who lived on adjoining farms fell into a conflict that was the first serious rift in thirty five years of farming side by side in central sharing machinery and trading labor and goods as needed without a single problem occurring however one summer the long collaboration fell apart it began with a small misunderstanding and it grew into a major difference and finally it exploded into an exchange of bitter words followed by weeks of silence between the two brothers one morning there was a knock on cords door he opened it and followed a man holding a carpenter's tool box i'm looking for a few days of work  perhaps you would have a few jobs here and there i could help with you could i help you oh yes answered cor extremely pleased to see the carpenter i do have a job for you look across the stream at that farm that's my neighbor in fact it's my younger brother collies from last week there was an open space between us and he took his bulldozer to the river and there is a stream between us well he may have done this to spite me but i'll go him one better see that pile of lumber by this shit i want you to build me a fence an eight foot fence so i won't need to see collies place nor his face any more the carpenter sit fully i think understand the situation show me the nails and post hole digger and i'll be able to do a job that pleases  you left for the nearby college in one so he helped the carpenter get the materials ready and then was off for the carpenter work hard all that day measuring sawing nailing and hammering after sunset when corps returned the carpenter had just finished his job my goodness the farmer's eyes opened wide his jaws dropped there was no fence at all it was a bridge a bridge stretching from one side of the stream to the other a fine piece of work had rules and all and the neighbor his younger brother collie was coming across his hand outstretch you are quite a fellow to build this bridge after all i've said and done kali smiled the two brothers stood at each other at each end of the bridge and then they met in the middle taking each other's hand they turned to see that carpenter tool box on his shoulder no wait stay a few days lot of other projects for you call it call i'd love to s quietly but i have many more bridges to be very nice thank you for all those present please rise and join me in the pledge of allegiance and before we begin if i could just for the reminder to everyone to the silence their cell phones or other noisemaking devices and misquote can we proceed mr chair proceeding with the presentation of testimony on agenda items we've established a limited telephone interactive communication that enables individuals from hannah to provide testimony from our district offices individuals who wish to offer testimony from honolulu and you should now sign up with district office staff individuals who wish to offer testimony in the chamber please sign up at the desk located in the eighth floor lobby just outside the chamber door testimony at all locations is limited to the items listed on today's agenda pursuant to the rules of the council each justif thank you your office please identify yourself and introduce your first testif fight thank you mocha you office please identify yourself and introduce your first testif have four individuals who are signed up to testify in the council chamber the first person to testify in the chamber is jim smith testifying on bills twenty eight twenty nine thirty thirty one and thirty eight two thousand and fifteen trads it ok and i thought it was wonderful the report as it expressed your concerns and what happened at that meeting and how you looked at the detail in the historical context and normally i don't think there should be economic grants from government to private enterprise i think politically that crosses the line distorts economic forces should just be avoided when possible unless there's a political or a public good that can be  d and in this particular instance there is a public good that can be identified it exceeds profit so i think that makes it suitable the problem is that the bill contains the addition after three paragraphs that don't exist so you have a bill approved on first reading that has item one two three four and then i don't five this is a new provision but the maui county code does not have at this time item one two three four so i would ask you to delete out of that ordinance from one to four ok and just put one and i think that would remedy the defect which is obvious to me which is causing me to see that this is a formality that you approved it on first and final reading and in my perception and i would ask you to do that just remove paragraphs one through four leave as one the grat i'd be so happy for that thank you that's my testimony that there's been a format problem here but then you went and you passed it out so you didn't give a factual background to justify the decision to expand the holding  company to include whatever soda machine it's ok what it is that you're you've given two hundred fifty thousand dollars you give two hundred thousand dollars to a cafe uptown service this is coming from the economic development two hundred thousand dollars to them how many cafes are there in why look how many employees will be lost to those cafes for this cafe because it's new and those employees nobody sees because they make so little so you didn't do your studying of this so i'd ask you to recommit this bill and require the administration to bring you individual bills and look at the financial fiscal impact of these items how did how did you get for a six when everybody would like a handout to expand whatever they  have that's religious business or religious company no it's not it makes beer you want to make soda that makes it a good idea so let's give them two hundred fifty thousand dollars and i need a little more factual  you a report and you accept the fact that you didn't do it and you say looks excuse me i'm sorry next time the next time there's a legislation mean anything next time do it and it's been going on for years with this administration and these people meaning the people you don't see so i would ask you please recommit this bill get the individual factual background to approve or not show me the public good created by that that's not tainted by greed and i'll support it but that doesn't show the only thing that shows is the fact that you don't care whether or not you get a factual background when you determine to give two hundred fifty thousand dollars to a brewery that to me on  face is ridiculous they get it themselves from the donations ok now the next bill is regarding this this is another issue that we need to consider and this has to do with bills thirty ok bill thirty and thirty one ok now this is creating a fund we have trainee eight funds we ha and friends and now you want to have a reserve fund we have a sewer fund we have improv you have abilities to direct things you have all these started but now you want to create a fund for what you can't get it to them some other way and then this is defective this bill if you look at section three nine eight zero two zero b it says any unappropriated ok surpluses annie and if you look at the charter it says basically no amount of transferred shall be deducted from an amount to be raised by taxes for ensuing years now that puts a limit on the funding that's not any that's a limit on the funding in our charter now does that matter we don't even need these funds to begin with if we did ok they would come and ask you to make them so this is really a change in a political structure in which this council is becoming executive in its approach and we don't need an executive branch got too much of one we need a council of oversight someone who can get the facts and protect this idiot who comes  testify who thinks his vote gives him the ultimate right to do that to express his concerns and does it so please recommit these this bill this bill regarding the water there are two funds one is sewage and one is water ok and the committee report was fifty two believe it was fifty two and the first one was the establishment of the sewer the placement and then you include in this debt service and the charter specifically says improvement so it can only fun for the improvement nothing about debt service it's going to be a surplus anyhow so it shouldn't have any money attached to it any bonds can be dealt with and debt service in a central location this complexity creates havoc not needed doesn't seem to be either of these funds is just a reaction to a political event and it doesn't have the substance it should have to justify so please re a general fund we have a council who can put provisos on anything they do so what possible good can come from this complexity that in itself violates our charter in that it also says any fun and there is in our charter a provision that restricts the fun it comes from or the monies that are you so it would seem to me that the best course would be to re evaluate whether or not we want to get immersed into this uni sexual government of our mayors in which there's no accountability in which the only guys that get hit by the low guys who come in and and not the high guys like the managing director who ultimately is responsible for the lawfulness and execution of our budget he doesn't even come here he could be running for office for water bill appreciate that i ask you to recommit both those bills because they are defective from my perspective my final testimony appreciate your patience and let me just say that the clerk's office and the staff council staff services staff they are so good i was looking through the budget for something for them i didn't see it see you could really help recognize the gratitude buying including something like take the two hundred fifty thousand that went to the visitor association and distributed among those to form and others it's all thank you now no offense intended the visitor bureau now this is bill number thirty eight with which is the smudge it and we are reminded by the mayor on march thirty fourth that this is a historic third term budget it may be our last budget given the effects twenty eight funds the two funds you're considering makes thirty we've got items in this you wouldn't believe particularly concerning item number four four two which is a private ok i filed a lawsuit i notice ok now we have one to a preschool all right fine maybe it's not a religious person but certainly it is an education institution and there was a constitutional  people concerning funding of preschools and it was defeated and here's the mare coming up with ten thousand dollars for preschools so what does that tell you this is what we know as a tweak the mayor is a tweaker he least make it a foundation or something but it should not be a roman catholic church of a y e ha that's tweaking saint teresa as maybe holy kako yes molly charities yes roman catholic church of hawaii just tweak me again please take a stand for principle i'm not talking money now i'm talking what you're here for and i know you've got the  seven of the general provisions make it harder thank you very much thanks very much mr smith members any need for clarification of testimony on any of the items i think the raising of the gulf fees at this time would be counterproductive because as it is the number a rounds annually has dropped dramatically is something like twenty five percent a drop so i think i looked at the little things and i believe little things will help in the long run such as the golf course needs to get into the twenty first century they need to accept credit cards for payment right now is  cash basis a lot of visitors come by there they're expecting to pay would be a critic i do it when i travel to play golf in a mainly because you want to save your cash for incidentals so maybe a little thing like that can help also all advertising maybe perhaps create a web page for a golf course everybody know also put it in the yellow pages right now at a golf course phone numbers in  agencies a lot of visitors don't know what the name of the golf courses but if we can have a web based they'll be more in line to also a little thing such as put in a phone message as a starter as a busy checking golfers the phone is ringing they don't they don't answer it's sort of poor callers they're just we know he's wandering the phone keeps ringing and didn't have the right number or a little message on the phone stating in a you know call at this time we're starting times of the giving i think these little things will improve a lot of the rounds that we can gather from their visitors also every budget this is my pet peeve that bugs me is the council every time the golf on runs short comes up and throw their arms in there and say why it is short well golf is just one facet of recreation that their goal their goal for goal funds we have we have to pay for the wages and benefits of the golf course employee taxpayers employees are wages and tax but they go for us no are asked to pay again for the employees so it seems like it's being double taxed because i'm a golfer you know maybe you should take those and benefit all put it with the parks department and just hand though with the maintenance fees at a golf course fees were trying to cover that and it could be a break even situation i'm not sure but to be fair all these auto recreation such as swimming and tennis and is this budget was nothing is free but if you look at it tennis and swimming is free aquatics three point five million budget d have a problem with that but the problem is we're asked to pay for things that we as taxpayers also hakim are already so it's like a double taxation on the gulf only to go for you know so that's my point and you know to go of course the main problem is is a condition right now but we're not in it we have a new superintendent so i think we should give him a chance and you know but raising the fees is not going to work thank you actually i sorry for my miscue mr clerk next person to testify is ed tomorrow testifying on bill thirty eight two thousand and fifteen he'll be followed by kelly pearson good morning const chair don't members i speak for myself and my club members and again this has to do with the golf rates and we're kind of disappointed that the council has taken this up again and is trying to raise the rates greatly drop i mean and it's not a small drop it's a big drop and normally a golf course does not allow less than a three some to go out and play but you can go to why you on any to go get less than what you were trying to accomplish and i have a lot of members who are in knee my class of my classification retarded or retired and we try to make the best of what we can of our life and there's some of them do have a problem with making payments i have in fact i have one member know who quit the club because he he can't afford to pay just a simple feeder we we have for the club and the five plus the twenty ten dollars for a car to fifteen dollars a month he can't afford it so he told me that he's going to quit and  so all i'm asking is that you reconsider and keep the rich at the same and try to do other things to try to improve the numbers that play at the course and mr chicago had some good suggestions and i think if you follow up on that suggestion being a being more of a marketing person instead of just on accounting person i think you can accomplish a lot more simple count sometimes actually kills kills programs instead of being more of a marketing and getting out there and letting people know that we have a nice municipal golf course of vailable and we'd like to have and another thing is i'd like to see the golf course during the daylight savings time move the start time from seven in the morning to six o'clock and our we can get more golfers in the reason for that as the golfers will play to early start time which is great and then you have the young kids that will be off to school and then they can play in those times that like they wake up about eight nine o'clock in the morning in the golf courses they can and the tourists and everybody so if they can change the time that's thank you very much thank you very much members any need for clarification of testimony seemed on research are coming this morning thank you the next person to testify is kelly pearson testifying on bill thirty eight two thousand and fifteen should be followed by rosemary robins good morning happy friday kelli pearson c e o for boys and girls clubs the only reason i'm here actually is just to say thank you just wanted to say thank you for i support and are looking forward to great fiscal year twenty sixteen but since i'm up here i just don't take all my many so i just want to update you folks everybody knows that of the year is that the ending the regional due to the year in july a couple weeks ago we just got notified that boys and girls clubs of america was putting on an advanced leadership institute and all fifty youth of the year so off if the states they redid the year are attending this this leadership institute it will be held in atlanta georgia it's in a couple weeks in june and they'll be staying on the campus at emory university so we're sending in sedona and one of our staff to chaperone her and the staff will up there will be getting some leadership development as well and great news is hundred percent paid by boys and girls clubs of america so that's a great thing and then chill go to the regional where also sending to youth with a staff person to what's called camp keeley's and that's going to be held in july in connecticut and this is related to a grant that we're getting it's a federal grant from it's four c immersion it's a c m urging grant and it has to do its stem programming and two of these kids have been the most they participate the most they've gone through the whole curriculum so they reward is a trip to connecticut that's just a few exact examples of what the opportunities were providing for kids we're going to continue to do all and officially summer started yesterday so all of our clubs are open eight am to six pm and they're full of kids again thanks to you if it wasn't for you guys with the kids with hundreds of kids who don't have a safe place to go so wel fifteen respectively mr robins is the last individual who signed up to testify in the council chamber morning everybody we heard reference this morning all three of those items are water related i'm one of the people who worked on the country federal oversight of that from the e contaminated water back in the early two thousand and six it was a different water director then same actually same mayor as from now so some of the folks are pretty clued on this and some of them perhaps not but i'd like to start out relative to all three of the see you may have one of these around in pink it's a copy of the county chatter and it says that  has eighty eight and that's twenty eight years ago since anything has been done on adjusting the charter and take a look at the population increase that we've had in the last twenty eight years water supply implement the county's general plan and community plans in the administration of its appears the department of water supplies shell repair and annually update a long term capital improvement plan and an updated water use and development plan which i'll be subject to approval by the council again we're talking about twenty eight years ago change not having happened in view of that that we have on record it also talks about the personnel who are involved and the director and the deputy director of the water supply and it's written in here that one of them has to be an engineer and there was testimony given here within the last couple of months about an aeronautical engineer is not going to do a whole lot for the water  situations that we're facing so again we've had a lot of time to do that and i'd like to take a quick minute to remind us that they need p a had clean air and clean water legislation that went through forty four years ago and we are way in debt item number thirty five today a bill for a twenty four million seven hundred eighty two thousand three hundred and seventy two dollars in terms of what we need to get money in order to get out of debt the the bills that are coming before you today talk about a debt service for the water fund in the number of five million seven hundred sixty one thousand three hundred and sixty eight dollars for laws that we knew needed to be followed and there has been testimony given here about the fact that the federal court has been after maui for continued unpermitted discharge and they're coming after us for big money and the first judge federal that's dealing with this now i'm reading from here and it's been happening before this make before the county is in the situation it is because it has violated clean water act we asked for the law was there we didn't move to comply with it and and the debt service business just continues to rise and we have been hiring additional lawyers to protect us from the consequences of the behaviors of omission and in some cases of commission about water but that is going to be money and it says right in the bills that about hiring them that we need to will not accrue debts over will not will not will not that went from an appropriation from a quarter of a million to last i checked it  was just a quarter less than two million doesn't do anything for the water improvement it's talking about how do we crawl out from the debt we've got a bad reputation going and it's on record so we need to be able to admit that we need to do better the water operations program in the waterfront page sixteen of all these bills that you're going to be working with today says that the water operations water fund is going to cost us thirty one million eight hundred fifty nine thousand five hundred ninety one dollars huge huge monies we're hearing people say they kind of forward to play golf that's a tough thing for seniors i don't play golf but it's a tough thing for seniors who are on limited incomes to do something that's appropriate for their abilities to do at the stages that they're at these monies are going to be coming from revolving funds the federal revolving fund monies come from federal taxpayers in all fifty states those get dealt out to states that request the country oversight water committee requested that way back when didn't go through it had to have a specific date for a specific action to be taken with benchmarks in their four minutes no follow through so we just got to do better and so when you're going over these please don't just think that because you passed something on first presentation a while back that the job got done not please bad joke that came to my hearing was that it won't cost us a fraction so much to incubate up the buildings if we just don't put roaming if you could your time is up thank you very much thank you mr chair there are no other individuals in the district offices nor the chamber who wish to offer testimony i think mr clerk i note that we received testimony of members without any objection will enter that into the record  chair i move the file county community cation number fourteen fifteen dash one sixty one disappointed in the inconsistency of our referral system in how we coached you look at the communication chairman this is a boat equipment that funds thank you thank you members of the discussion two excused zero knows you have before you kind of communication fifteen dash one sixty two from council chair white transmitting to the county clerk the matter relating to council members report on the two thousand and fifteen western interstate regional conference held in on may twenty two twenty second two thousand and fifteen attended an educational session at the twenty fifteen w i r conference title medical recreational marijuana legalization impact on counties i am making this report pursuant to the state's sunshine law colorado counties where in the fall of two thousand and twelve voters passed ballot measures legalizing the use possession and cultivation of recreational marijuana we also heard from it mr key chief special agent of the hawaii narcotics enforcement division on his thoughts about licensing workplace policies taxation and financing and other regulatory structures and challenges associated with the legalization of marijuana as this is a contentious issue before the hawaii state legislature that will significantly affect county operations the session provided a good insight building trust credibility and respect during the same conference i am also making this report pursuant to the state's sunshine law specifically section ninety two dash two point five per hour and of the statues this interactive workshop presented situations on how local elected officials can communicate openly and effectively on opposing viewpoints building credibility and respect attendees from a no measure passes seven zero nose and two excused but between zero and goodman you have before you kind of communication fifteen to one sixty three from council chair white transmitting to the county clerk held on wednesday june twenty fourth here on maui there is not sufficient time for the policy and in the governmental affairs committee to meet on this matter and report back to the council prior to the june twenty fourth deadline approval of the motion to waive the requirement of committee referral and report by two thirds vote of the entire membership of the council well nabl the council to consider the appointment today prior to the deadline mr chair i respectfully request passage of the motion to waive the committee report and before any discussion on the waiver members in count of communication one five dash one six three be filed have a second motion from mr couch in a second for mr carroll mr couch thank you mr chair please note that the staff is handed out  a resolution signed and as to form legality i think you got it yes the proposed resolution to approve the nomination nominate a slate of eight sec officers and directors for the western interstate region w r and the victory knows nominated as the president and council member gladys spices nominated as the alternative council chair my quite is nominated to serve as the director as a director for the western interstate region the resolution approves the nominations of council members to the officer positions for these important organizations mr cherry specter you request support for the motion thank you mr coach members any discussion seen and all those in favor of policing by saying i  recreation committee kind of communication fifteen dash one sixty five from council chair white transmitting to the county clerk a proposed bill entitled a bill for an ordinance amending title three mo the county code relating to special improvement districts to infrastructure environmental management committee kind of communication fifteen dash one sixty six from the director of public works transmitting to the council a proposed resolution untitled authorizing the acceptance of r planning committee kind of communication fifteen dash one sixty eight from the chair my planning commission transmitting to the council the matter really requesting consideration of repealing chapter nineteen point six five county code relating to short term rental homes or short term rental home permits to your policy and intergovernmental affairs committee kind of communication fifteen dash one sixty nine from the chief of police transmitting to the council a proposed resolution entitled authorizing acceptance of a donation of  live scan machine replacement for the keep police station for the whole from the whole a criminal justice data center to the county department of police percent to chapter three point five six maui county code kind of communication fifteen dash one seven zero from the chief of police transmitting to the council a proposed resolution untitled authorizing acceptance of a donation of six apple i pad air sixteen gigabyte tablets including chargers and covers to the department of police county and we for use by its crisis intervention team pursuant to chapter three point five six mo county code kind of communication fifteen dash one seventy one from council vice chair goodman transmitting to the council chair the matter relating to county policies relating to electric vehicles kind of communication fifteen dash one seventy two from the director of finance transmitting to the council a proposed resolution and titled authorizing the grant of real property to memorial medical center kind of communication fifteen dash one seventy three from presiding officer pro tem victory no transmitting to the council chair the matter relating to the county's processing of purchase orders dear water resources committee kind of communication fifteen dash one seventy four from council member by transmitting to the council chair the matter relating to amending section fourteen point one three point zero six zero country code dealing with a country water meter meeting will come back to order members are there any concerns about the referrals as read by the clerk oject the objections thank you very much i was going to take our morning recess  county council meeting will please come back to order and mr clerk can we proceed with the general communications please mr chair proceeding with general communications for referral the following general communications are recommended for referral to your planning committee general communication fifteen dash for from grant chan vice president maui a and b properties incorporated submitting to the council a two thousand and fifteen annual compliance report in accordance to condition one thousand of ordinance number thirty five fifty nine change in zoning for the my business park face to general communication fifteen dash five from david dantes m d transmitting to the council chair the matter relating to propose amendments to sections one thousand point six four and one thousand point six five of them out of county code and related documents thank you mr clerk an the fiscal year two thousand and fifteen budget for the county of maui as it pertains to part two special purpose revenues schedule of revolving special funds for fiscal year two thousand and fifteen economic development revolving fun mr okama chairman who had no objections from you or the members also asked a clerk to bring up bill number two and so ordered you have before you bill number twenty ninth two thousand and fifteen entitled a bill for an ordinance amending appendix a the fiscal year two thousand fifteen budget for the county of maui as it pertains to part two special purpose revenues schedule of revolving special funds for fiscal year two thousand and fifteen economic development revolving fun mr holcombe chairman i move that  full innovation group through a process i appreciate the testimony given this morning some of the concerns the individual had with the polls was before us at this time chairman but i am willing to ask the members to support of the special revolving funds from your budget and finance committee recommendations thank you members other discussion mr couch thank you mr chair concern on the ferry i think i will support that but i just want to make sure that we are we encourage the administration to be very careful as to measures and  performance measures and that just because we haven't had a chance to vet it out is kind of an emergency thing and i truly support you know getting them taken care of in this emergency situation so but i would just john and i will be following with some different recommendations with the administration too so i agree i think we get a lot of any  as as far as recognizing the need for us and i appreciate that ministrations support for this and i'm sure we will work together to make sure  accordingly thank you thank you members other discussion on these two items a chair will just add that i really appreciate the testimony that was provided this morning and the concerns  about grants to private companies but i'm comfortable with us moving forward with this on the basis that this is the first time we've done this it's been done in many other places in the country with good results and i think it's appropriate for us to see how it goes i think we have made it clear as a body to the administration that for us to be comfortable putting more money that into such a fund we will need to see what happens with these and are the jobs created that have been stated are we going to see any of this money coming back into the fund if they do which you know do very well or better than expected and are they going to be willing to pay to put some of the money back in the fund so that others may have the same opportunity that that has been given to them so it's with that perspective that i'm i'm comfortable moving forward and i any other questions or comments members see none all those in favor of policing fire by saying i think those opposed say no measure passed the seven eyes zero nose and two excused misters victorien and who's been to court you know before you bill number thirty two thousand and fifteen untitled a bill for an ordinance the stablish an up country water system expansion capital improvement reserve fund mr yes mr chair i would like to keep thirty eight out if at all possible if your concern is being able to amend it you can make amendments in any way bills through thirty seven he had before you build number thirty one two thousand and fifteen entitled a bill for an ordinance establish a county wide sewer capital improvement reserve fund bill number thirty two two  fifteen and titled a bill for an ordinance amending section three point two four point zero three zero the county code relating to motor vehicle weight tax bill number thirty three two thousand and fifteen entitled a bill for an ordinance authorizing the mayor of the county of maui to enter into intergovernmental agreements for loans from the state of hawaii's water pollution control revolving fund for various wastewater projects fiscal year two thousand and sixteen budget ordinance bill number thirty four two thousand and fifteen and titled a bill for an ordinance authorizing the mayor of the county of maui to enter into  bill for an ordinance authorizing the issuance of twenty four million seven hundred eighty two thousand three hundred seventy two dollars aggregate principal amount of general brigade of the county amount for the purpose of providing funds to pay all or part of the cost of appropriations for public improvements of him for the county amount we fix in the form denominations and certain other features of such bonds and providing for their sale authorizing the director of finance to determine certain details of the bonds authorizing the issuance and sale of a light principal amount of of the issuance and sale of such bonds and providing further actions related to the issuance sale and delivery of said bonds bill number thirty six two thousand and fifteen and titled a bill for an ordinance determining that part of the proceeds of a generalization bonds of the county of maui here to four issued i excess of the mounts required for the purposes for which such bonds were initially issued or mayor should not be applied to those purposes and directing such proceeds to other public improvements or authorized purposes of the county a maori bill number thirty seven two thousand and fifteen and titled a bill for an ordinance relating to the capital program for the fiscal year ending june thirtieth two thousand and sixteen wo reserve funds that the church or allows the council to set up for for and for us it's about planning for and show planning for the long term in the believe me to pay for improvements that we're well aware of will be coming shortly and as we have seen here in the last few weeks of congress we still have no indication on whether or not surface transportation will be reauthorized they from the new rule so it's kind of interesting to see how about this all impact county projects in the future particularly the absence of eighty percent federal funding to help pay for this massive improvements in the near future so i think the council is being wise in preparing for the long term financial needs of our districts and the county overall we're also to build thirty three plac where moving forward though i know we sorter stage one a modification facility to move forward thirty four we definitely are putting sizable amounts of money is for the water treatment facility thirty six of course places left spawn proces designated c a p which were doing a road improvement in the country district in thirty seven is the balance of power kept putting proven program  for this specific fiscal year of two thousand and sixteen  thank you i'm open to any questions from the members if they have chairmen other that i would ask them to support the package of legislation for the upcoming fiscal year thank you thank you mr okama members for the discussion on these you know new water tear i'm getting there it's all my can't believe it it's almost six months but you know it's been a learning experience for me to find out how difficult it is to move projects to get projects approved to get money spent and you know the whole complication and the bottom line is always where do we get the money because it as mr taylor often says if i had lots of money i could solve all the problems and so i am very excited i think this is a very good step forward to be very practical and very methodical about how we solve this problem long term so i would like to think the budget committee i'd like to thank the tear and i'd like to thank my fellow members i think this is a move in the right direction thank you very much thank  and we're back to mr okama i'm sorry you didn't read the bill mr clarke you have before you bill number thirty eight two thousand and fifteen entitled the bill for an ordinance relating to operating budget for the county a maori for the fiscal year july first two thousand and fifteen to june thirtieth two regarding the where the sixteen by amending section four point eight point four point a subsection one from the general fund where the community plan area government facilities where agency is the lead agency they have the ability to work with the ministry of components to ensure that the project can go forward we made a concentrated effort n their powers through states that you and through the creation of their agency by resolution by the county council thank you thank you any further discussion on the amendment see none bill thirty eight of two thousand and fifteen entitled a bill for an ordinance relating to the operating budget for the county of for the fiscal year july one two thousand and fifteen to june thirtieth two thousand and sixteen appendix b revenues fees rates assessments and taxes charges for current services plane fees green fees golf a striking the rate schedule for rates weekdays and rates weekends and holidays as reflected on the attach exhibit number one and inserting a new rate schedule in its place as reflected on attach exhibit number t public about their feelings about adjustments to green fees second there i think the two gentlemen who came today i mean i can appreciate people who just grumble but they came in with recommendations trimming on areas that we should look at to see if we can make improvement i really appreciate the effort of those two gentlemen bringing those constructive comments back to the council for us to consider the temptation for activity that you don't want so for me it's something we should consider regarding our gulf coast operations why with the amount of starters we have which is four and amount of rounds we currently are having when we were over the hundred thousand when he had two starters now we have four and we lost as we heard today twenty five percent of the rounds something is wrong  i would see chairman that in the meantime we'll make some small adjustments and use the balance before the next budget to look at the options take those comments from the testimony but i would say as the chair of your committee i would also be open to all other options including disposition of the facility to a third party but i believe that this  thank you thank you mr okama members any further discussion missed by so thank you very much mr tear and i'm glad that i had the opportunity to see this all play out because my initial reaction when this amendment was handed out was to say no you know i've been on this council now this is my last term and this golf course issue comes up every year and every time there's a proposal to do something about the rate s you know we go through the same thing and so my attitude was here we go again i don't think i want to support this but i want to say as mr holcombe mentioned that it was very refreshing to listen to testify as who came with a very appropriate list of things that could help very many this you know you know over expenditure at of course and not having to subsidize it i mean the things they said made perfect sense and number one of course was the critic quote i cannot imagine anybody chain to upgrade anything today without a credit card i got off a plane a couple nights ago and if i wanted so little i had to have a credit card in this kind of nuts but you know it's the way of the world and i think we need to catch up and there's probably a bigger loss of revenue by not having the ability to use a credit card people don't carry cash around anymore for many reasons and i think that that's doesn't that's a no brainer and you know all of the other suggestions to me made perfect sense in operating the business and so i think that i'm going to support the amendment but i do want to say that i want to see this matter taken to as it's being promised to the committee that your committee to take a look at it to make sure that these recommendations are implemented otherwise i'm willing to bet that i'll be sitting here next year god willing at the same time making the same speech and i think enough is enough else we need to get this golf course straightened out and not be you know are we are so much about the economy and the use of company money i think we need to take every opportunity to try to make any enterprise work and that's not hard to do it's about management so i will be supporting the amendment and i want to thank the folks who came of for coming to enlighten us and show that you know they're really thinking about how to make it better thank you thank you members any and any further discussion on the amendment see none all those in favor of policing the fire by saying i i mean those opposed say no measure passes with seven eyes zero nose and two excused any further mr couch thank you mr chair i move to men bill thirty eight two thousand and fifteen entitle a bill for an ordinance relating to the operating budget for the county of maui for the fiscal year july one two thousand and fifteen to june thirtieth two thousand and sixteen general budget provisions by striking section seven as reflected on the attached exhibit one and inserting a new section seven in its place as reflected on the attack to exhibit two and further to amend appendix a part two special purpose revenue schedule of revolving special funds for fiscal year two thousand and sixteen by striking the restrictions on dollar amounts for salaries in premium pay operations or services and equipment as noted in on attached exhibits three and further to strike if pending see in its entirety attached to the general budget provisions so it's been moved by mr couch saying to couch thank you mr chair and you know at the last meeting i was kind of not really chastised by my colleagues but it was mentioned that i didn't bring it up if i felt so strong about it so i'm bringing up this time just wanted to reiterate mr good's testimony from last meeting saying that if there's a situation that he may have to make a decision on whether or not to  willfully violate the section because there's an emergency yeah i know we would probably say ok but another council may not so until we get this fully  in committee and worded properly i think this is a very important issue and it's enough for you know me not to vote on the whole budget in itself because of the situation that we have with the a b c account so i ask for support thank you members do you need any time to go through the having to go to committee and i really think it should and many of the members over here including mr will move always been very supportive of having things cool through committee especially when you have a great impact discuss committee work because we just don't have the time the resources or the staff available to get into these discussions to coach brought it up because i think we need to be all that we are of the decisions thank you thank you mr carroll i will point out though that this is second reading the very thing that you generally don't agree with and the the provisions and section seven were voted on and discussed in committee so for the discussion members the spice thank you very much chair unfortunately i wasn't able to be here at the first reading i tried to make i made a very difficult decision and i was not here however i did have the opportunity to watch the entire meeting you know today technology is wonderful and i could have been sitting right here at my desk i was sitting at a laptop in mexico and it was perfect transmission did a beautiful job and so i did you know i had the opportunity to hear i couldn't respond so i want to take this opportunity to say that i sure miss the coach is concerned i listen to the departments and i know that you know they're very concerned about how this is going out feck them and me be you know it would have been better if we had discussed issue as a policy issue is because this is in a separate meeting and in a separate venue  i've listened to the reassurances by yourself and by mr buzz and we're going to work out a better system to deal with budget amendments i really hope that works because you know we all know that budget amendments take time and sometimes time is of the essence and i did hear what directors like mr good's said you know we have up things happen and we've got to respond and we don't have time to go through the paperwork and the routine and whatever like i get like again i say i'm sorry did you know we didn't have more time to talk about it i understand the reason for it and i understand that you know we're trying to get people to budget accurately and honestly and you know put it on the right figures in the right have people come and talk about it some more but you know we're here at this point and we have to vote one way or another so i will be supporting the whole budget even though i have a concerned about this i can call it like mr budget amendment is currently required if you move money from within one department from one program to another you have to have a budget amendment now that won't change that will still require a budget amendment and what section seven does by limiting the transfer between a b and c accounts without coming back to council will be dealt with by resolution does not need to have a budget amendment and so  i think there are things outlined in the charter that if it's a if it's a true emergency county wide there ways that we can deal with that eventuality a very rapid fashion if it is a departmental emergency that doesn't rise to the same level then all it would require is one council meeting and the resolution would be heard and could be passed if if the council agrees with the requests from the department as mr holcombe outlined in our last meeting he's worked out a system with mr baez to make that very quick and easy i will commit that if there are significant concerns by any department that need to be addressed in a very very short order i'll commit to posting the item and posting for a special meeting if it's if it rises to that level and that can be done and turned around and in a week so i don't i just don't see any significant concerns with restricting the transfer of monies from one side to the other thank you very much i think is very important none of us want to hang up operation correct but we do want to them to live within the budget they've presented and   there are some portions of it that i may not necessarily agree but i think it allows us to have more fiscal accountability can be more supportive of what departments are requesting i have some concerns on some departments as far as how we've held their brains when it comes to some of the collective bargaining that issues that come up that we have no control over but thank you any other comments members mister chairman thank you i think mr coach for making his proposal i think the discussion is healthy communication fifteen dish one six four that we that was just referred to budget committee that is the umbrella that would take care of the amendments that would go directly to committee instead of through the normal post seem practice or that takes at least two weeks off the process you know listen to mr good's comments and you know he had a very vital point to make regarding emergency i specifically addresses emergency situations and the pars of the council with the mayor working in concert to make emergency including the if there is an absence of sufficient funding at that specific time we can exceed up to one percent of the operating budget to take care of those emergency requirements so i believe that the target has enough foresight to address the concerns that potentially me age maybe before the county i do believe as in the past that the council and their ministry has responded properly in the past timely in the past and for me mr chairman most opposed to on the amendment i believe the community is very concerned about to more than support the a b c separation church is too many things happening operationally i mean it's not good for this council to learn about i mean we all know the issues we've had structures built c a p buildings without an appropriation from council how does that happen so there's things that we need to hold departments economy because that's a lot of public money that has been redirected and utilize by not appropriated council action help the community have the trust back in what we do as a county government and i think the a b c accounts is currently a necessary step to bring back the confidence that our people sorry you know i'll just add my comments if there are no other comments but you know as mr okama mentioned accountability and transparency is very critical and for me fiscal responsibility is our fundamental council responsibility and so as we review the budget and approve these amounts we're doing so based on the recommendations of each of the department heads and of course we make our adjustments but for the most part we pretty much leave intact the accounts where  accounting for salaries and wages and we pretty much leave intact other parts of the budget so when we look at things like the p card issue we look at the issues that we've delved into in solid waste this year where they have been unfortunately income brain so much out of their b account that it resulted in the impact on their a count and their salaries and wages to the extent that they were going to have to lay people off now we don't have control over what they do in their departments once we approve the budget but this would simply have made it necessary for them to come back to us for approval to spend more money out of the air count instead of spending a whole lot of money  encumbering funds for future years so this is this measure to require those three accounts to be seen as separate and apart from each other is one that is simply asking them to effectuate their budget within the constraints that they have placed on themselves and that we've adjusted and one way or another i don't believe there is a  significant challenge to us addressing shortfalls if there are emergency situations that need to be addressed but between what mr hope comma and mr bosler worked out and what we can do at the at the council level i have no concerns that we can address on a timely fashion any any shortfalls so i simply cannot support the  again a lot of the discussion was in committee and this is an issue that has been discussed for many years as far as i know and i'd also like to point out that we had a number of opportunities for people to provoke come in and provide testimony in and share their concerns with us with respect to the a b and c accounts and i believe mr goulden is the only one and there may have been others earlier but we've had no significant pushback from the administration so i see this as as a measure not the amendment but that what we have placed in the budget as a measure that they see as responsible as well they may be a little uncomfortable with that but at the same time it's our job to assist where assistance is necessary and to hold the line where hold in line is appropriate so a further discussion members came see none all the vote is whether or not to amend  the budget as outlined removing section seven or two so a vote a vote in favor eliminates section seven vote against defeats the amendment further amendments requested and seen none were back to the main motion to pass bill thirty eight as amended any further discussion on the main motion mr couch thank you and i do want to just say thank you for everybody for expects pressing their comments on the amendment and that the fact that the amendment failed again is i think still think  it's severe enough that i can't see what the budget although everything else in the budget is great and i think the committee did a great job i think this is enough again as a poison pill for me so thank you mr carrol have before you bill number thirty nine two thousand and fifteen entitled a bill for an ordinance to amend a community plan in land use map from agriculture to public cause a public property situated at holy who tax map key number two five dash to ordinance to change zoning from in term district to p dash one public cause i public district for sixteen point six five four acres and from agricultural district to p desh one public cause a public district four four point four one zero acres situated at holy opposed say no measure passive with seven eyes and zero nose two excused mr cook you have before you bill number forty two two thousand and fifteen in total the bill for an ordinance to change zoning from urban reserve district compliments country tone environment committee added three conditions to the proposed bill the conditions will new certain permitted uses or prohibiting certain accessory and special uses require beaten so the buildings historic plan in land use map from agriculture to heavy industrial for property situated at police who know a district of tax map key number two three dash eight zero zero eight zero one nine for the proposed name a heavy industrial subdivision members for the discussion mr couch taking mr chair and i think mr carro and the committee for passing this out just wanted to know that this if my memory serves correctly this is going to be the first three industrial zoning that we've done since we passed the bill to create that zone and i want to thank the members and pretty much everybody here that helped us with that in the planning committee last term i think was last or maybe at the term before so this just goes to show that if you see things through it things come to fruition when when the time is right so i want to thank everybody for their support in this and thank you thank you any further discussion members see none all those in favor policing the fire by saying i those opposed say no measure passes with seven eyes or a nose and two excused mr clerk  no further business here for the counsel thank you very much i'd just like to thank the staff but their support today and thank you members for being here with that we will a