paragraph that begins mr zooks said the last sentence is not clear i think that instead it should say a special exception approval is not a guarantee right now it says not a grant so that's one correction page five in that same section made page it begins mr smith said i believe it should say when the structure is abandoned from lack of use and then there is that a word in the next sentence that should be changed from put to but  when we get to the audience part of this if we could have a spokesman that would be great but it like to start the discussion with mr sylvester thank you mr ball just to start off just let everyone know what was included for counsel was a report from myself as well as excerpts from this report that was from the fire department there was also a confidential letter from the solicitor developer that did not want to construct townhouses one of the used basically the same type of density but to go with individual units so we developed an ordinance for billy our boca code at the time was amended to include a patio homes that we could be required to be protected with sprinklers and alarms in in the township and so that's how we got to where we were with that and then subsequently the state adopted uniform construction code and we were able to keep those provisions as a one time exceeded so over the state limits when it was  we did get a report from the fire department with the history of sprinklers in the township and basically that the area where we've had the most problems i plumbing leaks and in those planes the other plans that have sprinklers are evergreen village preston would finish a point and the crossings these are all plants that  have sprinklers in them and and they're very very few breaks in those players so for for practical purposes the issue has been  the insulation issues and that that is the primary reason for the sprinklers starting to freeze and and their course this winter had been one of the more colder winters on record and was some questions that came up about the requirements of the plans that went in and were required to have a drawing submitted by nicette certified pre owned desires which they were and the  process will inspect the sprinklers going and and other components of construction but normally does do not inspect insulation that's something that is done later that is not part of our general inspection of any any building in the the problems in his book we've actually changed our procedures and in situations where we are having sprinklers we are conducting more inspections and providing one from asian to the design the force of the co does provide a lot of different options so we true that we are the only community and and western pennsylvania that require some breakers in patio homes and it is something that was a result of the type of development that we were having in the past  was a recommendation that suggestion that from the source or that possibly the construction of pills board could look at individual units on a case by case basis to permit strangers to be  comments that you know there's two types of does require the installation but there's nothing in the codes that require sprinklers be maintained but in the in the residence if the international residential fire code there are a number of provisions that state it's breakers once installed have to be maintained they have to be monitored if they're disconnected the fire department needs to be made aware of it and provisions for tampering so there is did put a condition as part a condition of use approval that those have sprinklers although there was a revision to that condition and there are two units in there that are in excess of fifty feet from any other units and and so two of the units damage because of water breaks but you know from the township perspective you know we've reason the provision was put in was and save lives and you know potential for if there actually was a going forward basis that would have any impact on properties that were already constructed that's a question i think the first one then mike talked about was the conditional use and so there are any of these individuals that are sprinklered homes with a conditional use there's no warnings to repeal missions that are in place so we guard us of any action the board would undertake those would stay in place as to changing the code and having this board strike that provision that would strike it going forward the retroactive effect is in question because some prior board put this in place some prior board i'm decided that was the thing to do the individuals arguably you know bought with knowledge of the sprinkler system in place and i'm not against the idea that it would be retroactive i've just not seen any put in place at the time of the sprinkler system related to other modifications well and that's partly great what i was referring to was when they did in two thousand and four when the uniform construction code was  required by the state we already had some provisions that exceeded the code including food or foundations there were a number of the architectural requirements  licensing there were a number of things that exceeded the new code and we were allowed to maintain them and then later on there was some additional one additional main change that was done relative to this sewer pipe in materials the santeria authorities had requested and they went through the process of getting that approved by the state to add that into our code yet some of the things we have for example and in a lot of developments in the won't bother with with repeating myself i do want to take exception to what you heard from mr sylvester because he and i have different understandings wi respect to the legal definition of what the book if you will as or it's my understanding from talking to the residents down there or some of them that yes they own their individual house is bit i own that lot and property fee simple i own five feet outside from that perimeter as well fee simple and so do all the other owners ward and the rest of the property is either common areas or limited common areas own jointly held in common i believe and i haven't looked at their documents but it's my understanding from hearing directly from the residents that the development down there is held in exactly the same kind of patio home ownership with one exception and that is where surrounding land i believe owning common and therefore patio homes identical to hidden broken value and pressed inward and therefore in my judgment subject to identical requirements and not subject to exemptions by f a fifteen foot standard that's not in the ordinance or any other exemption around without providing similar exemption grounds to everybody else who lives in the past now that's all based on my understanding as to how those units are owned and i could be wrong but that's what they tell me and that's why i commented and all the spawn doods that greed and believe that this sprinkler system operating mandate should be eliminated and made voluntary you seen that  smoke detectors there standard baby more more more more recent than ours in terms of smoke detectors in every home and so on but but in any event the monthly sprinkler fee that we pay at preston ward by home by month through the homeowner association to guardian is like thirteen dollars and fifty cents a month that's the alarm system  as smoke detector in my house i have for smoke detector and not on in my house i have a heat detector i have burglar alarms and stuff like that and all that system cost me basis for essentially the same cost that you are now paying for us for speakers and you don't have the make these requirements and the inspection requirements you do to with respect to the million dollars where the damages that we've incurred so far for some insurance companies are picking up and i'm observing personally my neighbor across the street in preston ward who is on his second freezer break and it's aging him and it's aging his wife they're going through a very very traumatic experience having the house ripped apart completely with fifty thousand dollars with a second time damage being a  it's more than just numbers it's more than just mechanics it's it's it's valuable that i destroyed with these accidental disasters and you cannot begin to comprehend it unless you see  at the same time i have to tell you i i would be remiss in not saying that this township has an outstanding fired upon the response time of our fire department is five minutes during  daytime and seven and a half minutes at night because we have more volunteers i guess at night five minutes is is way better than adjoining communities the national average is a well in excess of ten minutes house and my smoke alarm alarms before the sprinklers because smoke alarms detect smoke sooner then a sprinkler head detects fire so the truck should be on in many of the cases the homeowners are out of town when this happens yes so the smoke alarm goes off yes our fire department responds in their usual exemplary time but gets to the front door and can't get in what do you say before you won't decided to talk so then if they do in fact encounter a fire you talk about the statistics about the sprinklers and how much damage occurs do you know how much damage to cars from a fire hose when the person coming in the door is simply going to be putting that i'm trying to ask the question i'm not challenging you on i am i would submit to you that a sprinkler head at thirty gallons or fifty gallons a minute is a lot less debt from mental to war than a fire hose at five hundred or thousand gallons a minute absolutely but at the time the fire hose is on my wall because it's burning i'm a fire system vs a leader response by a fire department which may save a little damage that's a risk that i as a homeowner should be entitled to want to take and not leave to you and your discretion all i want to say i don't think i have anything else other than i do hope that we can come to some sort of understanding with respect to the ownership configuration in the us i would like somebody to figure out what the real story is because if i'm correct then we have no business providing them exemptions from ordinance five forty two and giving  that he put it so eloquently that it's difficult to have an awful lot but i want to add a few things that are specific perhaps to hidden growth number one we've had mike's report which quite frankly he was very open to providers with it in his reporting talks about the incidences that didn't go i think what you got in your package was a response of incidences of two thousand and seven there were in fact thirty one incidences i don't know why the fire department only came up with fifteen but they were actually thirty one now some of those are in multiple units so that that could be part of it of the thirty one units then that represents forty three percent of our units that have had a problem now we talk about the potential of insulation and question more insulation will help and we appreciate that r is willing to come in unfortunately what they do is they come in three actively now proactively if you've had a break come in and reinsulate where they had done that it hasn't seemed to have perfected anything because we have cases where they reinsulated and had a break in exactly the same spot so in that respect while it's wonderful that they'll do it and we will certainly take them up on it it doesn't seem to have solved the problem let me talk a little bit about the cost to the residents now we talk about the cost of monitoring our sprinkler system i think ours is actually fifteen dollars not thirteen dollars so i think we had to go going back to negotiate with the guardian on that one the thing is we also if we want the one thousand dollars to do the burglar alarm and the smoke detectors that is not a requirement of the way it is a requirement to have our sprinkler systems monitored however it's not a requirement to have our smoke detectors monitored just a point of reference i'm going to come back to that our insurance rates are going up in my case there were two bricks in my house freeze breaks not not involving fire but sprinkler breaks the cost was about one hundred fifty thousand dollars i now pay fifty percent more in yearly insurance rates one from a thousand dollars to almost two thousand dollars a year so i can about what i'm paying that back it may be slower than what they'd like but i'm paying back that cost of those fire breaks secondly regarding the the entry when they entered my home they did it through a window and believe me i couldn't even tell all the how they did it it was hardly any damage to the window and i thought if i'm a burglar i know how i'm going to get in i'm going to borrow some of those tools because they did they did a fantastic job of entering the house finding the sprinkler break and turning off the water so in that respect they were going to obviously doing a very good job the stress of the homeowners i can't tell you how stressful it is donna spencer was here at one of our previous meetings and talked about her mother this is after a one zero eight driftwood dry and how she's afraid to live in her home she had two bricks the damage was tremendous but more than the damage to the home with the damage to her psyche she's afraid to live there she just want to go back to her daughter's concern she lives in atlanta the it's and it's not just mrs harter it's the entire community we all worry about that next great and we see a fire truck coming down we know somebody is going to be putting some putting some damage control on their home so with all of that what are we left with here to draw some conclusions number one we have an ordinance that was quite frankly very poorly written it didn't cover what we wanted to cover today but worse than that this is an ordinance which is arbitrarily and unfairly administered as is the case with i think it's called brick view valley brick road so we have two problems there what are we going to do about in my opinion we do one of two things first of all we look at the waiver process and get that is to gated as quickly as possible where that where that's applicable but more important for the short term and the longer range it's to repeal that ordinance and write a new ordinance that's effective for what we want to do today now what we want to do today are two possibilities in my mind one paul mentioned a hard wired that are actively monitored smoke detector insulation system we have that  and it's very very good we've had at least one sometimes i think two cases where that has triggered the fire department to come out fortunately there was no damage it was caught at a very early point that tells me that that's more effective or as effective as as a sprinkler system so i think we can mandate that not only that they have it installed but they have it monitored on a roof on a twenty four seven basis and that they have inspected on an annual basis which is not now or done more and this is a this is the or the monitored sprinkler system which we all which we have now a hint of one or the other the bottom line what we all want already are warred for smoke and yet do absolutely they're hard wired now here's here's the thing you're already like it's part of your assessment no no this is the thing right now part of our assessment to fifteen dollars goes to monitor the sprinkler system ok that's true guard we have each of us has a separate contract with guardian which covers our smoke detectors our burglar alarms window bridge you know that type of thing  only that if you remember mr sylvester explained how the sprinkler system made its way into the code it was all one of those once in a lifetime opportunities where peter's actually in one thousand nine hundred seven i think placed it in the code there is no mechanism to modify or either take it out now i understand so but then the next level go feel it and then it doesn't exist anyway if we want to put something into the code we we would have to petition the state number one to be able to even amend that code section but even if you went that far in the state agreed you're right we could then mandate requiring for people that own their homes or they have to have a system in place there they already have a occupancy permit that doesn't require it so i understand that repeal and replace but i don't know that we have the ability to mandate you voluntary compliance that's find it and it would be better to find a new or did you have a choice either a monitored smoke detector system or a monitored sprinkler system or one or the other but not both have way understand them but to me the problem is i guess what i'm trying to allude to is that in your specific predicament ok we couldn't mandate that you go away from the sprinkler system to a because i'm already in my home he's already in his home so  what i want to try to i understand what you want to do and i think that's a great idea you know we could amend an ordinance to say that it's either one or the other the problem is doing that doesn't help us in force that against the current i can mandate that you you as a current homeowner and and and here in that order it let's let's just be bizarre and say we passed an ordinance that said everybody in peacetime has to have a committee whatever committee of devolve that might be the construction could and put it together with the fire department and residences and residents input i think we could come up with an ordinance and legal department an ordinance that would be  effective and make it i don't want to go beyond i agree with the chairman tonight to to limit the discussion just to take input but one of the one of the earlier questions one of the council people asked me was whether if we struck this ordinance where there would be retroactive to people that built homes under that permit and i said as i said to her i'm not against a look finding that law that says so i have not seen it because a building permit was issued based on compliance with the laws that existed so if we struck it there's a question of whether we could strike and i think that's what counts when our curie was getting to you but what we'll deal with all of that i think they want to take i think whenever there's a legal issue there's always a way around well that that's in effect anybody else in town here only affects the people on the patio that makes sense mean there's no way except the roof and i can sit in my front yard the roof off with ford i'm concerned we have wonderful fire department one and wonderful but a lot of things lot of ignorance going on here most people don't from they find out that because they used the wrong type of metals i had about maybe a quarter of an inch room for the water to come through my far since i had to pay to have that removed and replaced and i put in a correct be absolutely i know the drives that i was an ocean specter for the postal service and i was in charge of all these postal buildings i don't know what type of system and say when i was in my new battery backup and battery also as a starter to tell the people monitored when i need a new battery i mean i couldn't ask for any more for protection you know when you what in the world the real world you understand what the system is with the problem for we all hope you make the right decision thank you from the other house and on the other side nothing is there requirement going down house is there certain distance or where the ordinance doesn't have a distance a minimum you're talking about you're talking about rules and regulations we're talking about people's lives now i work all my life to be the position i am right now i go to florida for three four months in the winter i sit down there and worry about this house with the sprinkler system freezing and ruining our home and it's not fun folks it's not i mean let's think about this is people's lives there's a lady up there don't want to go back in her own home we mr williams he twice we have our next door neighbor neighbor three times i mean we got it you have a little compassion place on this i mean sure it's an ordinance anything can be overturned and anything i mean we put a man on the moon for god's sake we build buildings or there are a hundred stories high we can change the law or nortons thank you line of the sprinkler system the and interior of our home was destroyed we only lived in that for six months we were then displaced again for another six months while we rebuilt nothing was mentioned here but the fact that a lot of these homes the system is being correctly configured mine broke down from the mainline because it was in the wrong place i know that other folks around here had the same people put their systems in and i know they're wrong i was  this all happened i had called the municipal building thought with his demise i explained to him what happened he says well you should have boxed in your mainline stuff that with insulation so i spent money and i did that then i had guardian come out they had to try to tie in my system with the computer they could not because of configuration or whatever other problem that is with the system itself now when i talk with mr massey i explained to them why do i have to have this system he says well your house is too close to your neighbor's i says well what's the requirement he said fifteen feet i says i got thirty feet around off or was he says well then you didn't need i said why wasn't i told nobody ever gave me the opportunity to let me know that i didn't need it if i had the right yeah but just to interrupt and then mr modi was in correct in that because that's the order still required you to have it because of where you were located you know because of the development itself right ok good evening my name is jan it means wiki i live that one sixty two shoreline part hidden plan i have three issues that i just want to briefly touch on related to the sprinkler systems one is as my neighbors have commented on self actively is the emotional impact the sprinkler system breaks personally we have not had it but i can tell you that  is ruined many many nights sleep on vacations vacations of a lifetime we had saved for for many years in south america i'm hysterical crying emailing everybody please look at our windows is still water coming up right this has such an emotional impact our neighbor who had a break she was home her her house she wasn't even on vacation  house was adequately heated she was very ill at the time this is taken such an emotional impact on all of us that we ask you to consider it if it was happening to your family and your the second thing is is that when and our fire department does respond so quickly to these sprinkler alarms it is a cost to us as taxpayers for calls that don't need to be made and they might not be able to be responding to a fire that really is a true fire so there is a cost impact as to the fire department responding to all these frequent breaks so i'd like you to consider that to the other and probably to me one of the most important issues is that we live across the street from to what i consider abandoned homes and i have written to council asking for information about searched the web site and couldn't find anything and the reason i bring that up is because the are there wasn't water break in one of your van in homes on our street and i call in bandon home because they were ready to close on it i know there's an issue with the bank and working that out with hartman and council issues i mean that they are trying to facilitate a resolution which i i hope i true but there was a water main break the resolution of that was to turn the water off that so they turned the lights are on on the outside of the house but they turn the water off so now we have a house that's sitting there with us living across the street in our neighbors living on either side and now what happens if that house there's a problem there's nobody living there there's no sprinkler system to go off so i would ask to really spend some time in helping us to find some resolution about those homes that are banding and making sure that they are safe for our neighborhood  neighborhood it is the properties are really have become an eyesore and we are very concerned about our safety the way to this is the sprinkler issue and the lack thereof in these abandoned homes but also so you know run them down and put some grass in there and you know i think that we would feel safer but i just would like to reiterate in regards to the sprinkler system in talking with  request that the ordinance that you consider repealing the ordinance we feel that the smoke detectors are adequate to alert the fire department and as our neighbor said before having birds and pancakes we know that the fire this is the case here and here but yeah basically it's follow us around the footprint of the heart and that's that's the difference between the type of use that's true there is common ground in addition to that but that's situation where the sprinklers rather than coming here and trying to defend a fire department that you had a far death that is true devastation to families and neighborhoods as we well know we've had our share of  em one thing that we wanted to continue to bring up is yes the smoke detectors are an early warning device but a far as sprinkler system is a life safety device a sprinkler system will put the far out and the room of origin we've been back and forth as far as the reliability of these systems we have had fires in the township that have been put up by her system mainly and commercial structures but we've also had we've also responded to farzad to the fire alarm to the smoke that we call in fire arm the smoke detector activated the farted part was notified and by the time we got there we had a pretty good fire going at that point so you know it's the old saying if there's smoke there's far and that's pretty much you know a very true statement here one of the things is the fire department has been is very proactive as far as far safety education we start when the kids are young we try to work through we try to work very closely with the planning department to try to alleviate in these situations on the road we were very hard in businesses and occupancies that that anybody can walk into to make sure it's it's a safe environment for you to be there there was a comment about the sprinklers in this room but that's not our mine my choice i would ask for me for myself so that's something i believe in strongly that you know it's the old sprinkler system a sprinkler head is a twenty four hour day farm and you don't have to worry about a five minute response times seven response time time and response times that sprinkler system that sprinkler head will activate at one hundred fifty five degrees the gentleman offered about the ceiling heat the tractors you're probably talking anywhere from eighteen to twenty sprinkler heads and each property better protecting areas closets and things of that nature that normally is franker a smoke detector is in a area of a sleeping sleeping area sprinklers are put in to make a grass on to the home if in fact there is a far gentleman who had made a comment about how quickly people can get out of our i get a good i could tell you that's not going to happen we we've had that numerous times over and over again people saying you know i thought i knew my house it caught fire i couldn't find the front door and let's get let's get on a steer as statistics show the older we get the higher the percentage a structure because of being disoriented and we have had that first hand on easter the deputy chief grandfather died in a structure far in the township so we have seen that and it's been a personal to us also you know smoke detectors again you're going to need maintenance every ten years or need to be changed out that's according to an i p a and a national law consumer product safety commission so nothing there is well and it seems like you're definitely pleased with your fire service and we appreciate that we strive hard to to meet his needs he did say in a couple times that a smoke detector can alert sooner than a sprinkler system that is true in some cases not all like the chief had mentioned that there are many more sprinkler heads in the residence and there are smoke alarms an additional problem that we have somebody had mentioned  that we might not be able to retrofit some of these systems with the current smoke detectors we have in those homes yes there are smoke detectors yes they're wired together there are powered off of the house power hundred twenty volts however guardian and  proprietary companies can all tap into those detectors and have to install around those detectors can cost anywhere between thirty five and one hundred fifty dollars i've seen depending on a company if we keep that minor replaced every sprinkler we had mentioned and it is true that smoke detectors and smoke alarms do decrease deaths in homes by about half sprinklers decrease that number by one hundred percent in prince george's county maryland they have an ordinance where every single single family home regardless of how close it is to its neighbor has to have a sprinkler system installed in it the international fire code that serves from coast to coast california all the way across to new jersey has in its code in two thousand and twelve in the new code two thousand and fifteen that sprinklers are required in single family homes any home is built at sabina right now has chosen not to accept that code however that is what the national nation has accepted without being said to you know it's not just our residents are worried about the ones that sit here today the ones that might move into the houses tomorrow  it's also my life in the light pole of firefighters that put in charge of that we worry about two home construction as we know has been built with cheaper materials here as of lately we're talking about beams that hold houses together that are glued together with pieces of wood that glue does not hold up much as the steel has passed and is unfortunately causing homes to collapse at a much higher and much faster rate than they had before we're talking about ten minute times from an initial flame to the first floor completely collapsing into the basin because the glue doesn't hold on the beams any more firefighters go through the floor firefighters have through some buildings fall on top of them because of these things and a sprinkler ordinance such as this is something that helps myself and firefighters out as well so one last thing would like to begin work villa's reports on everything that's there if you will notice there are quite a few there were just regular frozen pipes rather than sprinkler piping so that you know those are kind of a tip that you do have some areas that you know you have the other insulation other than the sprinkler systems but also i think that you look at a lot of these and i mean you just go back to it and again it appears that there are huge issues with the end selection and the protection of the of the of the plumbing being protected from freezing and i know it's it's a situation that people wore are upset and they're devastated that they have these problems and we do sympathize with them but as i said before i would much rather be dealing with them on this to this platform rather than having a death occurring because people were not and were negligent and we weren't being mount proactive in farsi so again that's that's pretty much we're at we've we've been dorst the systems going but i think that this is probably to prove positive that you do have insulation issues and it's on a case by case basis so i think  the meters water meters and replaced them with a radio type the signal from the street now what they haven't told a lot of people and people come to read your meter they step on the top of the cap because you know the issue i guess i've been listening tonight to all the comments and i'm hearing a lot of details of water regulations and i have a feeling that maybe you don't still believe you work for us i have a feeling that you're looking for reasons not to do this as opposed to reasons to do it i guess i'd like to believe that somewhere in this council has empathy for this real human issue as george burley says these are human people human beings who are worried twenty four hours a day about how they're going to survive in that if they're gone for a month or two let me ask you do you have empathy for us does anybody does anybody have real beef or what we're trying to go through here i think that th into that as we get all the comments together ok now i'm sure that everybody is going to stay here listen to the rest of the constants of some of the two minute break anybody that would like lots so the fact that they might have a private company would add and i decided as long as everybody is aware they did they take it to risk they get that issue at their own risk as to whether or not they're going to enforce those covenants as a township we do not enforce companies we just enforce the law so but we want to make sure somebody doesn't come back to the township and say you did make us aware about this issue with the company whether it is an issue or not we don't even weigh in on whether we believe the covenant to be valid delineator was installed and what it would to developer i guess some of the builders in the plan are saying that because of the you know if it goes in that there's a good chance that it will be destroyed because of their trucks this were to go in later you know when when all the houses were constructed we were really creating a long term problem doing that i think there's a potential i understand way can we can we say that that will give them an extension on the time to where the due time there wasn't a specific time it was hard to be an argument superman the question is do is me for interrupting but this was ill conceived to begin with because the design of the roadway is a problem no matter what the entrance is in my opinion too narrow whether that's five design or not i'm not sure without the media and you're going to have trucks coming out and you're going to have trucks going left because a truck to state and make that turn they're going to take the easy way so if you don't put the median in they're still going to make the left up away or go out at the top of the hill and all that mess which fortunately now there stop signs it's an ill conceived plan because it shouldn't go on and on to power on to be back to begin with and we know why that didn't happen it's because he didn't want to have to deal with a state so now we're faced with a situation and it does cause a problem with getting trucks in and out it causes a problem with getting the bus in and out when we were riding the bus on the road tour it's not going to solve the problem by making it delayed it's going to continue to be a problem now i believe that probably we should go ahead lead and wait but when you when the houses are built and they put the media to work the moving vans are going to be able to get you see some of the size of those so all i'm saying is this is a problem that's going to continue to be a problem because the road itself isn't wide enough for the entrance same as some of the turns up inside the plant he's worried about this he's cutting over top of the  sold and that's growing flock i would i would suggest if you if you want to look at modifying it slightly that i'm not sure it makes sense for us to sit to sit here and talk about it meet our policy it is council recall we looked at this a couple of meetings ago and at that time the request came in from cremation of fuel care which is of business this time the request came in from the the eyes of earth veterans in the afghanistan war the marines that company there was devastated in that war and so they're they're doing this all across the country based on the situation i think of the show mine is advertising for business and piers and the problem is that that's just going to open up the floodgates you know every business that wants to get free advertising on our trail is going to be promoting some civic coup or you know veteran we're innocent and then that's not right when mr kerry i tend to agree with you i think that i would probably be more willing to accept something like this if the name of could find a way to make the sign a little bit more controlled and actually highlight the reason i think that i could we could probably i could find my way clear to let that be overlooked but as i said i agree with you because the name of the business is too prominent compared to the name of the rest of the actual reason for the nonprofit so i don't know is there some some negotiation as to what the sign actually looks like or is this a done fight against something we have a conditional prove all the reduce the size of a commercial message where i don't know what you know we do ship to work i don't know it's hard to specify same size as the address on the seven fifty vasco with thirty thousand vasco the company that installed the tennis courts and our experience with them was it was very good he did an excellent job in managing contract the the have we have that was when the first year when it was being interpreted by the state but all our contracts now and we're required to have the men under the liquid fuel co our contracts have the escalator in there so you know if it goes up they've come in and asked for permission to install a water line above ground from peter township into that area as well as an underground crossing at the archer camp road we are supposed to be in for two years right it too and they're asking for it to be released we checked all our roads and there's no problems we've had one home that had a request you know that they had some damage spec your house they came in and we haven't heard back from them there or what part of their rationale is they know that there's another company coming in this can be overlapping they're in there they're concerned about do we know how access to ninety five we also are meeting thursday marking peace talks were kind of about seeing if we could potentially open one of the legs up early least no