him i had a few comments in that same section for me we have talked about the ask around now and it wasn't stated in the body of the minutes and i thought it was important so after the mr schwartz or said that sears will guarantee the project i'd like to add when asked the value of this year's escrow account mr schweitzer said it was one hundred eighty seven thousand five hundred and then towards the end prior to the motion a question was raised whether the one hundred eighty seven thousand five hundred would be enough to cover the potential damages that's material as to why some of us about it against it actually what wagon it against further down in section five be  broke if you would out a sentence before the motion when questioned mr sylvester you verified a council that has cost falls within the limits and the money still available from the hidden valley poland which was paid said that the judge recently upheld the plaintiff's request for an injunction and the ninth that denied legislators and gas companies and you're standing there and thank you in the letter from the peters township sanitary authority residence and further down under peter's creek sanitary commentary it's really going to just an incorrect word under mr daniel since comments the second line from the from management's perspective a number of operational issues that we have in trying to get resolved by negotiating an amendment to the existing bargaining agreement you have before you is an amendment that was prepared by the township that basically would address the issues that that are concerned primarily having sufficient staffing doing the daytime hours and having that staffing be people that the management police has the skills and ability to to deal with specific items that are needed at that time of day including i'm having people around for construction inspection and plan reviews as well as five prevention for every disagreement where i'm sure that we have people that we can select tree i just moved to prove to the agreement the agreement i did it's some kind of believe it that issues in front of us is it well where we are asking for both but they could be done separately on moving out on years we we can go i think up to three years if we have a agreed but we would we would basically rotate we have two others that you know once or two years that we know they can fill right into that schedule of ours are there to make this program work so you can't really do one without the old but it would definitely fix the issues that we have been talking to are qualified for the positions and would also give us time that isn't that we needed to make a change we could get somebody up to speed but it's nice little to before that based on their qualifications as how to select those big it says the last one sentence says in no case shall firefighter be required to work the power shift per three consecutive years but that doesn't discount the possibility of someone effort went into it and as you well know we sat down with bob so keep your prize all the way through or we need to go with it and you're right that of you know hopefully we can get back to what we were put here to do in that state of get out and do you know do the fire prevention and the programs and the inspections that we have been doing in the past but yeah i'm grateful that we got to this point didn't have to go any further the manager in the bargees request to consider an additional position of a full time firefighter that is budgeted for i think in essence replacing power that  currently being burned  the next item name was in response to needing the council spent with providers of professional services relative to a comprehensible land use place we were challenging there's fewer of them and we need to be looking at our options to be in a position to be able to guide our future so that we're not totally dependent on growth and looking at ways to be self sufficient self sustaining when we get beyond the the growth portion of our developed and part of the  plan include various items like market studies analysis of demands for the different types of the commercial residential developments are looking at ways to focus in on certain sections of the community and develop specific scenario plans as far as how those those design that area should develop and also looking at different types of preferred over others this ep to come out with the strongest standing relative to that i think the part that i'm feeling we're not going to communicate without saying something about this is the fact that this essay gauge the entire something to come forward it's actually a significant commitment to publish community and the various boards in the phone to get this thing done it's not just solely turned over and put into their hands it's absolutely correct a big part of the hundred sixty three thousand is a public outreach and getting the community engaged it's their plan and that's an important part of this planning process and i would also  basis of our zoning ordinances we really can't pass a zoning ordinance without it being consistent with a comprehensive point so in the country has a plan goes to the experiences and master plans for a hospital system not a comprehensive plan for a community so i don't perhaps know what the others have experienced earlier we approved the hiring of mr sharing as a plan to use as to help support the comprehensive plan and now we're looking at one hundred sixty three thousand which is over budget and can you tell me what part gets any of his work will do to mitigate some of the things that alice out will be doing so that we can put down chalet get that reduced i'm trying to understand how his we agreed to hire that position to support this and i'm trying to understand it was my and there's my expectation that we would have some cost seventeen eighteen months you know i first up to say that of the four people that we interviewed i thought they were all very well qualified and i thought today you know they all made very nice presentations and inconsistent with mr lewis and i mean there was not higher and then trying to refine the costs in why wouldn't we be goshi eight with both ls and total myer and say listen these are the new parameters what's your price i mean talk to and say these are the parameters what can you do first give us your best price where are our process of investments according to our purchasing manuals that do you select the best firm and then try to negotiate an agreement if you cannot expect there to be a significant drop and frankly i would not want to be in a position of hiring a firm that custer price significantly because then they're going to be cutting what they're basically the heart of what they're proposing to do i think either go with with no firm based on their proposal and and there may be some slight modifications on scope but you know any drastic changes i think you know who will result in a bad p six hundred twenty four hours dedicated to the project ls are planning has one thousand one hundred ten so they're almost double more close to double the amount of time so double the amount price when looking at a typical project with all the tasks that we're trying to accomplish and the level that we're trying to go out and get people involved the one sixty three is a much more realistic number and the eleven hundred forty five minutes of my time spent time in doing this this guy with you know i think that the four firms that we know we would would not have submitted the firms for counsel to review we didn't feel that any of them other concern i have and i can appreciate why and i sound might be higher because they're compressing those hours into a shorter period of time and i correct and so i can appreciate that that might be the case because they're look committing to finish are and we're already beyond our ten years if i remember correctly so we're behind already so i'm not necessarily confused about why i sound might be more they're compressing the like into a shorter period of time but again we're looking at this in my opinion when i put all the numbers together it's going to be a two hundred thousand dollars plan with what if we accept what their budget number is plus the time that you're going to be involved because of the commitment of that position which one is trying to understand what we're going to get for that money the time proposed though is a is a is a way to get best because you know no penalty clause invol and if they're done or done it or not they're not going to the last time we did this is we did it it took us two and a half years i keep going back in because that's a fact now obviously that was too long but with too many people involved too much probably can input  that a lot of discussion  box thinking the take presented within their presentation so her was very well done i think sometimes the time frame there they do get it done in thirty minutes would be light years ahead of two and a half years will be enforcing that so we're hoping that once that of course it becomes common knowledge that that will help correct an emergency vehicle couldn't possibly get through there they needed him around i don't know the rest of you i don't believe i copy john my e mail one of the questions i asked mr sylvester about was the absence of a flag pole and he informed me that there was no intention of putting one there that was for the associations and i just like to express my dismay at the fact that as a standard we don't put a flagpole out and  township property that we just constructed and it's really from a character counts and patriotism perspective it's very down upsetting to me and i had asked whether or not you were going to contact the association baseball field there's no lights and they just don't put it up anymore down there he said there is apparently electric up there and it was run for the got so that's why i kind of was hoping that we could come up with a solution so w resonance would be mandated to repair on around at that at a point to stay on the property or whether there would be some other plan and given what they have discovered here i mean it seems it sounds like it could be a the right the the trees are out of the right away and it's really their responsibility to to loose and in my discussions with mr fowler we see have sent  nuisance and therefore we were going to go into court and try to seek some sort of permission to cut the trees in our shout the honest point i would then and then then michael would have been doctor in any event there are players for against the government defendants in the meantime the service several legislators have tried to intervene in the case that intervention was denied by the court there have been industry parties have tried to intervene in the case of various gas jewelers as well as their trade association that intervention has been denied by the court what the court has done has issued a preliminary injunction that extends the effective date of the act till some date and in december a paper december seventh giving the township's that additional time to modify  ordinances if that is ultimately required as far as the other aspects of the act the the injunction doesn't go to that so things like accounting for the fees and things that are be paid that that process is still in place the the government parties attempted to have the come of course modify its injunction that was also denied  the and that has been appealed to the supreme court as well as the initiative as well as the initial injunction that was issued but court what is scheduled right now in the commonwealth court on july june to the the very essence of the lawsuit as to whether it can properly proceed whether or not the constitutionality can be challenged whether or not these are in fact just issued ball issues whether they're not their political questions that that the court doesn't have jurisdiction over itself as far as we're concerned we've found a summary judgment motion saying judge there's no facts to be heard here you can decide this case on the merits and enroll in our role in our favor through court and bank but there's also there are also peels already to the supreme court with respect to the issuance of the of the injunction and another denial party status i might add that the while the court refused to allow the legislators and the industry party intervene in the case at least the industry parties have also petition to have what's called a hammock a secure iced at status in the case which doesn't make them a party but lets them make some limited argument with respect to their interest in the case in the court has allowed that and has made provision for them to be able to participate it june sixth argument yes for five minutes impossible for indeed indeed i would not hazard a guess as the ultimate disposition of the case any number of think could happen in the meantime including further alteration of would like to just take knowledge the efforts that mr mr ball has been making really for this and thank him for everything that he's been doing on behalf of the council and the community here and i think it was that if you  i mean i get there how many countless hours it is just to monitor the pleadings that are coming in on this let alone to to produce them and for it to do this on your own time is is real aware of the strong consensus that developing across the state as a dissatisfaction of the does this legislation or what i'm actually trying to say is i think organization township supervisors there's were two hundred fifty communities that that are you know feel the same way but this is triggered state wide interest and then it's there it's a little disappointing to find my perception is that there's a lot known they were going to help strip the powers away from all the committees in state if they represent well there's been a day there's been on it a little different they have now reached a certain land use protections in the act that we would p fortunately there are a lot of what going on right now with the value drive and the average town road extension project will allow a good portion of that area to flow and basically to visually and somewhere here and then tie into the parking lot which they're asking for permission to do is when they're in the and they would try to minimize this but when they're ready to put this d v steel up to date can they can one thing i would be concerned with is we want to make sure that people coming from coming this is going west are coming east can still get access to the trail so there's going to need to we're going to need to have them put some type of temporary and to use hospitals our i broke here to tie in so they can get into the on the trail i don't know if they can come through here to can't come through the parking lot with all the materials they may have to come in and great out a little small area to get access there and possible paving or stone stone area there to get back on because you don't want them going under do you have these various handicapped rams it a very quick order time but it just seems there's not a thought process throughout it impacts our traffic or are they almost done  driveway and they didn't do it originally however i have to tell you in a related question is there a plan to paint crosswalks at those intersections the reason i'm asking is that  yesterday in the afternoon i was coming through valley park towards the intersection and school let out so there must have banned twenty children running across the alley from to this is currently his property and then this part here would be our property and so be an even swap on andre and what it would do is give him sufficient ground to have his