from the november twelfth and september twenty fourth planning commission meetings other commission requested or has requested additional information to be provided in order to make or a recommendation on the proposed community plan amendments and change in zoning requests  specifically the commission had asked for to provide additional information regarding a representative from the department of water supply to provide data on the need for affordable housing on the island of molokai provide data on flood and wastewater calculations provide data on related traffic impacts and provide data on addressing response times for emergency services including fire and police since that meeting staff did reach out to the department of water supply public works police and fire police and fire both confirm that they would either be in attendance or have a representative here today also we will have a representative available via conference call from the department of water supply and public works during the meeting today for questions of the commission and as just as a refresher to the members of the commission and audience today property from interim to a one apartment residential district on approximately one acre on august fourteenth two thousand and thirteen the molokai planning commission reviewed the environmental assessment in which agency comments were made available during their review of the commission accepted the final environmental assessment and issued a finding of no significant impact at their nov thirteenth two thousand and thirteen meeting and as of november seventh the department has received only one letter against and one letter of support for the project at this time i'll turn it over to the applicant thank you supported by the commission and comments were recorded that there was concern about parking and flooding issues that we are now able to discuss when we initially heard the project fire fire prevention which specifically and water and all of the reports that we have specifically deals with the building itself what we are concerned about is if we as a commission are given the responsibility to recommend to the county council a change in zoning which one would be an amendment to our community plan and to would affect and impact the surrounding areas all our partner agencies waste water public works fire and police emergency response are they able to carry the liability and now the additional population and traffic that goes into having this new apartment building so i just want to make that clear the commission was never against the project gest resp trying to be responsible for what this change in zoning implies to the existing residents and that the existing residents came out to testify that they too numerous times had no opposition to the project itself simply wanting the county to address existing problems that have been predominant since one thousand nine hundred seventy four so specifically the questions we asked was that we wanted to have representatives from wastewater and public works impacts and current and future concerns in regards to the area and the project that it would be good to have people specifically new water flow flooding not just on maps because one of the examples i'll use is it says in a flood zone it which is not a flood zone yet is right on the tip of the innovation for tsunami and when we just had this recent rain the entire  camp was under water and then we asked to provide that we wanted to know if from the beginning this project was cited as a necessary need for how do we know where's the documented proof that we needed a change because we need affordable rental units so these were some of the questions we asked and i really appreciate all all of the work that the planning staff and department has done we do one of the concerns that the residents in the current area have was what what was the project and as far as water and runoff and all those kind of things and the capacity area so again we've looked at that as far as a sustainable you know for that arc for goes and from what we're seeing currently about twenty nine percent of the sustainably lot of that act for is being pumped right now so what that means is not so much of an issue as far as the amount of water that's able to be extracted that and seem to be the case but as far as our department goes for pumping out of that well we do have limitations which are set by you know c one the commission of water resource management far as how much we're able to pump out of it you know per our pumping permit so that is an issue currently our allocation is about a little over half a million gallons a day so as far as when this project comes through i mean there's no water meters are in the property so you're going to there's going to be some issues when the building permits are submitted one of them is we're going to look at that you know water availability because this this project proposes more than four dwelling units by department of water supply county court is going to be deemed a subdivision meaning it has to follow a department of water supply co subdivision standards for fire protection and those types of things one of the other issues are going to run into is the water availability code meaning that the department is going to have to right that this project has a long term reliable supply of water so at this point it's going to be one of the snags in this project because again there's no water meter current account you want to meter serving the property and at this time we wouldn't be able to write you know the fact that this prop project has a long  by water for other there are exemptions in that part of the code but they only speak to central and west as far as you know if you're saying it's going to be a hundred percent affordable housing so as far as that goes a couple things  have to happen there it would have to be deemed hundred percent affordable housing human concerns that's one thing but also the fact that the the code would need to be amended in the excuse me in the fact that i would need  there may be a possibility to acquire additional designation but you know and that's on our radar that's something we're kind of looking into and something we're discussing at this point in time so there are risks going forward with the building permit  us to be honest so at this time you do not have the allocations to provide water to this project well we have a certain amount on the cations again ok what percentage are you operating at is project as a long term reliable supply water so you're counting on the fees and all the other amendments that go along with this project to give you the allocation no as well as far as changing the code as i was saying an exemption can be written amended into this code in the fact that this project would be exempt from the water availability code and but the other the other option again like i was saying is if we are able to purchase additional allocation from from another  i would weaken our our director he may be able to sign a letter of that nature if we already see documentation or data that your infrastructure can carry the extra load yes so yes we have the infrastructure as far as pumping transmission lines are one now you have the capacity in your wells hadn't you and your distribution system in the distribution system yes again as far as iraq for itself well in that twenty percent of the state of we only i that that water's in the ground i mean do you have the pumps in the storage with either the fire department or the police department like to come up and say anything yet at this  footage and how we determine the required fire flow just for one floor the capacity would make it for the hydrant that's just on the bottom east southeast corner sees me if you look at a map there's one at the southeast corner and i want to the northeast corner of the property just above it so we did our testing on the southeast corner the preliminary  may be the building itself may be protected one of the buildings but at present it would take twenty four hundred g p m support all that one structure since is a two story that particular building is a thirty by one twenty have and then the second question was with the current entrance and exit routes and size of the road and the current population and then adding on the additional amount of people and cars that would come with the the time you get a call actually to tommy on the truck it should take us about three to five minutes to get there right sunny day nobody on the road we are only allowed to go so much over the speed limit if we are allowed if there are only safe so three to five minutes from highway model highways blocked off you may not be able to cross into get to the access road also what happens is when it rains enough there's the gun you get man is the main river it comes in on the east side it really engine one came down they might not be able to get through it at access road along when it's raining profusely in the road let me set your id so our response time will either be late or nonexistent because we have to increase the amount of water due to fire we have one tanker and we may be able to get tanker two tankers from the county one from public works but the winter and have to travel outside it at area probably to model highway fill up over there and do a tanker shuttle thank you that that process is quite  maybe something else so that's why we take the building in itself is just a building and just to educate us are there documenting calculations to subdivisions our specific subdivision where the fire does an assessment of how much water for the whole square footage of the subdivision is required because if we if we hear that currently there's not enough drinking water right that can or i'm sorry not not enough but but at its current capacity in full the wouldn't be adequate and then we listening to you and now this is not adequate so then my concern me luminaries not adequate is not my concern i just would like to be educated on is there enough water to take care of the people and i know maybe that's not the question maybe the question is is there enough infrastructure pressure and full of water to be able to take care because they so close together one house catch on fire say it's not the structure but the concern from the residents is there's one axis so it could be that that building that is going to be built is perfectly fine but the  population and the fact that there's only one entrance in and out and then there's a massive fire how do you see the guys in that building over there if the fire is not caused by them by somebody else in their life the liability of can the fire department sustain the liability have the manpower and the equipment and resource the need for an additional one hundred people and additional thirty cars so i guess that was our response question that was difficult of course but that's what we got our job and the questions in here the questions you captain and i i live close to the captain so the last big fire that we had which was unbelievable i can't say enough about the fire department and what they did and i saw that fire jump from house to house and you did a fantastic job so i just want whether i have before i will now say you guys had a great job and i i don't have the original submitted but i remember reference to part of the upgrades to the infrastructure being part of the project my experience is that's the pipe in front of the property what i'm hearing  is that the infrastructure is undersized ok it's grossly undersized so that we need a new just a new made all the way out to the highway to bring the capacity into the development if they're paying for the piece in front of the property who's paying for the balance of that that's my question to the department is that addressed or they can take place the piece in front of a property it based upon what you're the question you're asking as from what i understand as most of those issues are worked out during the planned review unplanned check phase we're being asked to a tip to recommend a change of i'm not voting on the project i'm considering changing the zoning the rest of the process will hinge on whether we recommend the change of the zoning are we being irresponsible an recommending that change this is why i'm asking the questions my don't have any negative opinion about whether or not people make money off of this piece of property i'm trying to be responsible with my piece of this pot process in making a change to our zoning are we being acting responsibly will the county have to bear the cost of that change that's my question to you right  now that would be something that would be you have to be you know you could ask the administrator that question because again i think it would be something that would go through the plant check process and i don't know what department is responsible for enforcing those fees or those reviews for see that the infrastructure is provided per the code to meet the impasse clause by the development so we have the regulations in place that would require the developer to make those changes or pay the fees necessary to upgrade the infrastructure for welding it's to supply there than the added load on the system by the development do we have those regulations in place that would see that they bear the the increase rather than the rest of the  criticized for holding up and that's what's going to be done during the building process has nothing to do with the issue that we are being asked to review right now we're being asked to look at what the current conditions are and  already i should ask you a question can you just tell us a little bit about all some of maybe the challenges that you have or are there any challenges are concerned as far as response and traffic control pedestrians and things like that in that surrounding area and would it would would us changing the zoning to a a one apartment designation affect the quality of life depending on where the officers are it's it's up in the air you know if they're patrolling in the area west response time is going to  whether there's this building in there or not if there is a high flooding it's going to be a while if a patrol officer has to respond with up a regular car he's going to stop by the pull into traveling at a higher than needed speed if emergency response is needed know the questions that you would like to ask anyone ok i appreciate it and we appreciate you taking the time to come up in and give us your opinion  is there any questions for you from the council for public works or you know is there any more department heads here or departments that are here ok i just wanted to let the commission know that there are two other departments that are available by phone or department of environmental management and water supply and if the public works i feel as if the commission would like to hear from them we can call them to our existing rules and of course the highway that would be the state department transportation and so i can't comment for that but i don't think they had any tell me what is the requirement on a county road what is the total measurement how how how much do you need from one side of the road to the other in our shoulders required problem with those tunnels we're having right now is that the commission is being asked to recommend a change in sony and so now we have to decide whether or not the existing accommodations or infrastructure in that area is adequate for the police department that there's not enough the destruction shield around the world is not enough if there's a concern that there's too much traffic being parked on the side the road and there's not enough room in the way that public this can't hear the development is currently you know one acre lots plus or minus mostly saw scape a driveway and a house we're turning an acre into buildings parking can such rooms rather than i'm a water guy understand little bit about runoff watership ok this is hard ski we're not going to have the property soaking up water and then when we reached lead conditions it runs off you have immediate flow from this property with hard does existing infrastructure have the capacity to carry this off site yeah the way the way we handle it in new projects coming up is that comes off the site today further we have a new requirement that the water that comes off the site basically has to be cleaner so the water that's coming off the site today so that will be another after if there are no nod from the commissioners then we will have now we're going to be take your take some time to dub public testimony on this what you've heard on this project so if you would if you're is public testimony please step to the saying yes ma'am i'm good thank you please step to the microphone dead even though i know you please state your name or you've got spoke months ago and had several people with us and through my new black i'm sorry i sent them to the wrong place so we did communicate with our residents in a place last night and they could be standing over at the building i'm sorry miscommunication but our main concern is the highway the road the rains that we had with the last storm the only one even and now that we have and children plane they're free to play in the roads there is pictures coming out my husband took there and like a fifteen minute interval don't pay attention to the date on it because cameron didn't have the right date i had a very simply putting that we're here today to follow up on the plan to change the zoning from single family to marquee housing our current room is in a special flood hazard area per fema last month storm and flooding is one example as to the need for another entrance exit yes that was mother nature but the addition of thirty six plus cars added to disarm ready crowded condition leaves that very questionable i on with thirty six because most people have two cars we have four there's down that street everybody's got an extra car park somewhere whether runs or not we spoke with them we live on mark in a place last night and many are working today or they're not well or they're seniors not everybody will come out to a meeting i was asked to speak on their behalf and they agreed with us that the road condition is the number one priority here they're not against the project it's a little scary for him but  this really needs to be address it's scary for us when we moved in our boat was pushed through the fence because somebody lost control on the corner and this is this is where we are we normal and we know there's still plenty of it available we also know that this is going to be sectioned it's low income which ties into what we have a lot here on our island but please before you decide everybody go out and take a look at what that corner is the pictures show a little bit of it it's just i'm not against anything is happening other than the fact do we have any other public testimony yes please yes or please come to the microphone and state your name please  a fire captain here for the con of this trick and before you go at all you know something in this aspect you gotta see the big picture because these people is coming up and that mentioning about the safety aspect of it and if you grew up in manila can you understand that none of cars the amount of people and because a lot of the people there don't have a lot of money to children they always always on the rules yet is one of those places where you gotta drive slowly so they always i'd like to say thank you for coming in speaking to us thank you ok here's your any further testimony public testimony yes  so first i'd like to apologize to this commission for my ignorance in this matter and i like to thank the commission first serving this community in your we strongly advocated from county to do their community plan up to the last time we were to years behind and this is a ten year process so every ten years we get our community plan updated at that time the reason why the commission chose to route to put it as a resolution was to avoid  just talking about manila camp i'm talking about the island with were procedural matters met during this process i know you had four hearings your hearings are in twelve  were they considered part of the public hearing process i had to take off work to be because i got a call that said that this was coming up so i had to take off from work at the jump on to bush is aware of i was to come to this hearing how many people going to come public hearings are supposed to be designed to be adequate with the most of your public participate which would be in the evening procedural matters in this case i don't so i heard a lot of stuff today i could be wrong but what i heard was public i do not have adequate by you know all of that stuff is really not relevant to the question today which is  that's just my question to steph why why haven't we have all the members for the community advisory council they had the members the members waited for two years they lost track of the members never held a meeting never did not think that's my great i don't feel the commission currently has the information that they need or the community input they have so sorry to being long winded but and i got into all the testimony that was you know because i have about thirty five questions that i would like this commission to ask staff that i would have all questions i needed answered to say yes i speak on behalf of the island i have consulted with my community and my community says commission has its rules where the planning commission is the final authority even on exemptions by the planning director not even a planning to rick to say yes to this no you have to con her with the exemption otherwise it's the only place she can do that and we fought hard to keep that safety valve in there and it's not too slow to wheels of progress it's to be sure that we making the right decisions for our community now in lieu of not of us not lighting the fire on the everybody's planning staffs we counties whatever to get our community plan i totally support that i think staff could have done a better job and sorry i'm not picking on anybody in particular here i think stuff could have been a better time for me the communities dummy over here by giving me a flow chart of the procedure when this started maybe one timeline would have been helpful for me something i could have sink my teeth into and need one reason duction of all the information that i got up to now to be comfortable to look my neighbor in the eye when i go to friendly market and say you know what i mean a decision today that  reflected what i felt that you wanted me to do because that you don't get paid for by doing but that you do because you love me that's all i have anybody have any testimony an transportation and all of that so it's not necessarily a straightforward answer you know whether all meetings should be held at night more participation but other bodies meet you know more the afternoon evening time thank you the second item on your agenda is a request for the construction of a single family residence and ohana including a carport to septic tanks leach fields power poles entrenching for utilities state historic preservation has indicated that no historic properties will be affected for the proposed development the applicant has also agreed to have an archeological monitor present during any ground related disturbances again the valuation of the proposed action is two hundred eighty thousand dollars standards for viewing it as some section one thousand point zero two eight interim district zoning regulations of the state land use district as urban the community plan is rural and the county zoning is interim pursuant to the aforementioned findings of fact in the termination the department recommends concurrence with the finding that the was just nice to see you up there ready to whether any questions oh by the by the commissioners we do have that applicant here as well ok with applicant like to make a statement there's been a motion in a second any more discussion by commissioners ok all those in favor right here and all those opposed motion curate the other questions located in eighty seven zero six five highway eighty m k five seven seven parcel seventeen this is twenty fourteen zero five or seven valuation is twenty five thousand dollars and the thank you we do request that you concur with the department to leave the review and i do have the mr not be king here and audience available if you have any questions thank you thank you so is or is there any questions by the board the week we wave consideration reviews thank you for january twenty eighth meaning so it will be cancelled but on february eleventh we do have a public hearing regarding concert resolution fourteen point one one four regarding commissioners do you have any questions january seventh twenty ninth into january seventh twenty fifteen that are still open and i guess when the entry date was and project leaders within the department you got to turn a dog in order to speak but just like to think that the chair and members of the commission for for you know my time here and working with stuff and it's really been a pleasure to work with all of you and serve you  capacity and i speak on behalf of you know the department that you guys are great to work with and we think you will be as chair and i've been on the board you have been on the board that long but i want to say thank you for everything you've done you've done a wonderful job and i want to wish you the best and now that you're going to be a seahawk and but no we thank you i thank you and i'm sure the rest of the commission thank you and wish you the best hand please come back anytime and we'll try to help if you need any help which you know big and see ok i think you would but just thank you thank you for everything you've done