at this time we would like to welcome mr sylvester township manager peters township push the button please when you talk thank you and with me is the planning director and the reason we're here is that if you recall at the joint council school board workshop one of the areas of discussion was concerns about traffic alternate accesses to both the high school and the middle school and we raised the issue that there was a property adjacent to the sky high school property that may be coming in for development and they i'll try to talk louder and you hear him now i don't have to that's because they're right by the phone june first the reason we're here is just to let you the district be aware this project there is a right now we're at the conditional use application process so there's no final site plans or anything and yet it's just a conceptual plan but one lift things we discussed with the developer was the potential of access to the district property and if you want to show them that's on the bottom is a sketch plan that they did for the public hearing they're looking at fifty four units in this development the initial reaction by the developer is that they are not interested or willing to put in a street connection to the property and that they indicated if that was a condition it would be one that they would appeal in court we're here to make you aware of it so that possibly if the district wishes to participate in the process of making comments at the public airing or submitting proposal or even a big meeting with the developer to advance because i know in discussions we've talked potentially about other alternatives maybe axis but some type of limited access that may or may not be acceptable to develop alternately our warden's is done to permit or require the developer to provide access to the adjacent property so i believe you know we can make that a condition the developer views this as a negative to his development because it will create traffic that whoa allow him to create the development he wants and frankly we know that there probably will be objections from the adjacent neighborhood if if the traffic were to come through there so we wanted to maybe you where this development so that you get this district can review this and possibly take a position at the public hearing there's also a planning commission meeting on may fourteenth i believe which they will be looking at this also so if you do wish to make comments probably at both of those that's a possibility and this is this is the only area where there is a potential providing additional access to the school property whether it be for buses or for drop offs i mean this this is the last chance to really get something there are the questions at this time we will move on to the assistant athletic director mr geir and the proposal for and assistant athletic  thank you in front of you i put a document with budget needs fifteen sixteen on the top the position of athletic director has changed a lot since i've taken over here four years ago there's a lot more responsibilities there's a lot of there's a lot of things that the state now mandates for us and just going through just going through some of the things here i think we can do something to make our office more efficient stuff that we have in our office are the activities we're doing a lot of collection of activities what we found in four years of doing this that i think we need one person to collect all the fees  cash them in a timely matter to expedite that process also district scheduling all the dilling scheduling comes through our office for the district in terms of facility use those numbers have have doubled and sometimes tripled in some buildings in the last four years which gives a lot of time and energy and effort into into those aspects of it also some new things from the state we have to do an athletic opportunities close report commonly referred to as a title nine report which is required for us this takes us three weeks in the summer to complete which is something that that's new from the state of pennsylvania there's also all the trainings for our coaches with cardiac with concussions heat atomization act one twenty six and a lot of those items come through our office in and again it's  sixteen is all coaches are going to be required to be certified through an ace up training and a step is basically american education sports principals it all coaches want to go through some training this training in house would save district a lot of money for that to take place so i propose that this would be part of our job if we would get one mr guard just on that note yeah that provide us with the opportunity of providing that training service to other districts too as well as generating potential some income from that yes yes and obviously there's to get somebody trained and certified in that i think the potential is there for anyone a class for thirty of could definitely a class for forty and have everybody in there but it's an extensive training up front that every new coach will have to have to have in the state gives us a one year window to get everybody on board once this becomes law or once this becomes p i regulations and july first two thousand and sixteen and i understand that early east through this that you had to sumit the ethicist an athletic director would be the one responsible for receiving that training and then providing that training correct correct thereafter it would be a would be a one year require a one time requirement for that training but with the amount of coaches that we have and this is paid volunteer anybody like that this is pretty substantial stuff that's coming down the pike and we're a the like to get ahead of this before we're backed into a corner and having to pay somebody to come in and to train all of our folks at a substantial cost so there's other things that i think that we can do better job at i think the equipment inventory we have court managers right now the job is split to bring that under one umbrella under one person as part of this position most districts around us have somebody that does middle school is the middle school athletic director middle school coordinator i propose that this position would also include that which would save us money down there for covering events and to make that program more efficient  that we have generated based off of positions that are no longer needed or positions that would entail this position we're close to thirty two thousand dollars with that and i proposed a salary to be in that in that forty thousand dollars range right there so my goal was to hopefully get this thing to get this proposal to you with limited district cost you know we're talking eight thousand dollars and maybe whatever whatever friends comes with that if you go on the back of your hand out you have provided us with an outlook of other school districts in the  arena and showing us their athletic department just one quick question on these part time positions that you're showing here would those be shared positions do you know like for instance something a baldwin yes you know so in effect by having an assistant athletic director that for us we have it scattered out it would bring everything into one correct under one person direct and i think it makes our office more efficient i think with some some school districts have four or five or six people doing doing these jobs i think with three people we make it really efficient and it also helps us out with a lot of the nuthin new requirements from the state medical records is a big thing that is huge with that the way that this proposal i think would work i think it's a working model but i really i don't want to create a position that is going to cost the district a lot of money that's why i think we've we've cut a lot of things to make this thing position included in this i would propose them to be at the high school but also to spend some time each day every other day at the middle school to make sure that those programs are running good social death three o'clock time when what are middle school kids are starting their activities so there is some space available within the athletic department i mean i know you have a conference or there's some there's some space we have to be creative but i think that we can do it with the space that we have at the high school right now  obviously you still feel you need full time secretary along still yes i think and the secretary at the high school in my office i think does things that there probably was on the job description five years ago and i think there's a lot of things that she's doing that we can take away from her and so she can focus on what an athletic secretary should do so yes she clearly saying that the effort of secretary works outside of her scope to our benefit absolutely we get we get a lot she says she's a very good person she she's run that department for fifteen years she's been in that part of fifteen years i think that she does above and beyond what is in her drug description other questions comments i would just second the fact that i know when i called mrs kristen for that she knows the she knows the answer you she doesn't even need to find out from anybody and she's assisted me with a lot of things throughout the years very very responsive i would concur as a volunteer coach she certainly on a ball with or without a doubt she she keeps things together other questions concerns my concern is that as i'm reading the reason stricker wants new and assistant and i'm not you know i feel about it yet but i'm disappointed that there's nowhere about that's something that i can take ownership of and the other person can take ownership of as well so i'm agreeing with you i think that we can start focusing on the stuff that that's on the outside that makes our program so much better other comments mr guy has there since you have been athletic director there have been do you know how many new sports have been added like i do think whether i guess i'll just leave it that you know when they're new sports and we added in the ones they added but we've brought into the district field hockey and this is in the last ten years field office you do clubs mr yes there's a new one this year with the frisbee yes so i mean there's there's one even this year yeah we've added some some additional clubs and just more stuff falling under us the fund raisers  obviously with with the way things are our fund raising requests have gone up and i think that the board has allowed us with it with charities to be taken away from those and i think that you don't see everything that we actually get right in terms of in terms of those so yeah our participation numbers are great we're currently ranked the third best athletic program in the in the devil for a quiet day and that's based off of our season record up to this point in all three seasons other questions speaking mrs bowman you have any questions it's not anything else mr guy we appreciate you coming tonight mr on to the fifteen sixteen budget discussion  exceptions if you would glance at the bottom of that document what that really means is our current milage rate of two thousand and fourteen fifteen zero one zero seven one four two we were allowed to increase our real estate tax up to one point nine percent which is called the index number so that would equate to two point zero three meals and the district the board approved us to apply to p d e for the exception and in february march we did apply for that and we were approved for the retirement exceptions for a total milage increase with regard to that one point five eight mills so currently the way the information is presented to you with the revenues at fifty nine million one sixty nine seventy five does show that we would increase the milage to one ten point seven five eight nine that generates approximately a million dollars in our revenue with the two point zero three mills about sixty six hundred sixty thousand and the index allowing us to increase another five hundred twenty eight closing our gap to about one point two million dollars the district is looking at reducing the expenditures we have retirements that are coming into the office as of to date we have probably thirteen retirements we do anticipate maybe a few more debt would could possibly surface through the rest of the year those numbers are being transferred in included into the amended expenditures for may adoption of the proposed final budget  for the board's perusal in consideration we are looking at all the department budgets are our bids will be approved or hopefully can be approved at the april meeting so we can finalize some of our final numbers to put in there through the i u in our district supplies as well so we do anticipate some reduction to the expenditures to assist with that one point three almost three million dollars shortfall  i have also included an update to the enrollment based on the march numbers everything is pretty much constant or stable with what we said to you or gave you in january with we're maintaining enrollment we're not going up in terms of meaning additional teaching positions so that's one thing that the goes into our our our benefit and if you look in particular mcmurry we're seeing a slight dip in roman there and they'll be fewer rounds in the fifth grade and that will give us some relief a clearly not that the amount of relief that's needed for the one point two million dollars deficit and as the retirements will is that how you  from fourteen to twelve the yes what were the teams going to do is get together will bring all the principals and we will go through now that we have the high school schedules will bring all the principals together in figure out what positions we have to replace and which ones can we get by with not replacing to try to close this gap and we'll also talk about other efficiencies if for example and technology if we need to eliminate any programs or one program you should reports on all the  the other items the district is waiting on is are the confirmation of the benefit rates for fifteen sixteen the insurance are commercial packets policy we are anticipating a slight increase our workers comp we have been performing much better in the past years past three years which our experience modification number and if you've ever heard that but that's what's really what bases our premium is based on we have been  our experience modification number has been declining so that's that works to our benefit we had to spades a slight savings without  any questions on how we came up with the milage rate so far tell me just one more time to how much money a mail generates is it like three thirty six it's approximately three hundred thirty six thousand so we're pretty close to the number depends on our collection and normally we run about seventy  ninety seven and a half percent pretty close to that in collections and the other thing that is out there of course the governor's budget there are quite a few numbers for their proposal there is a proposal out there for a just tax or proposed tax relief with an increased sales tax percentage where the they are saying you're claiming that on average fifty percent it will help districts with fifty percent reduction to the real estate tax unfortunately piers concept is one that is at the top of the list meaning we would only get a reduction to our real estate tax of about fifteen sixteen percent and if i could say mr that's an important point for the public to understand if you look at the the budget page that he showed you initially we only get thirteen point five million dollars from the state to begin with and this this proposal that governor wolf has been pitching would reduce that that i mean we reduce the property taxes by half there is no way no maritally that artistic could operate with with that kind of reduction even if it occurred for the taxpayers and as you see on the slide you're presenting here it only three hundred sixty three thousand that's important for the public to understand and then the next slide are you going to go to the next one yes this is one that i think really needs to be seen very clearly in washington county peters township would take the largest hit the number estimated at two twelve point seven million dollars that's a significant piece of information that i think the public really should pay attention to  e got to be very careful when you hear the governor speak about his proposals because with under those proposals there is detail that these numbers show clearly and i appreciate you having these tonight mr bowser and one thing that i would like to add if we go back to the next slide  we are not at this time budgeting in any in a post increases to see that the the best case scenario from all of the proposed increases here is a three hundred sixty three thousand  with this increasing close would be our accountability block area and ready to learn block grant those are now put into the basic education funding in the past they were separate and were the group will be losing ready to learn block grant was about two hundred forty seven thousand so that number at face value is in no way close to what we'd be getting some of the best case scenario would be would be getting if everything falls in line has proposed the best increase that we can count on would but maybe about between one hundred one hundred fifty thousand dollars increase and dr french i was looking at that today and i'm trying to figure out what we did get last year that we wouldn't get was it only that accountability what it accountability in addition to the ready to learn grant for those two things that we will no longer get to you know for the countability block grant we just keep changing its name what was called last year the ready to learn grant and some ways that and when you look at the text of the governor's proposal he's saying he's restoring the accountability block grant was it went away but was replaced by something for us that was much bigger we received two hundred forty seven thousand ready to learn in our countability block and i believe it is about one hundred thirty seven thousand ok so he's still saying he's giving us one hundred thirty seven for that but last year we got to forty seven correct ok and then there was special i don't think i'll be able to find it was student focused funding supplement do you know what that was because i was looking at just the budget numbers from last year and i think that was something that was in there and i'm sorry i didn't bring this up and i was just looking at that i would have to check but does that does not seem like anything that we would have received and it's not in any of our total funds and i cannot believe we grant put back in the special education funding increases put back in so if that was included that would have already been included that's everything that's going to be our increase and may i say when we talk about the governor proposing this is formulary this isn't we're looking at peters township in just choosing peter's township it's based on a formulary and so that's another piece of the puzzle that the public thinks understand it's not like we get any special treatment because we were high performing in fact in many ways if you see it we have a negative response that happens to us because we're high performing which is is tragic in my book anything else mr bowles and i believe that said that there is a lot of information floating out there for the governor's  budget again this cyber school tuition rate reduction to a more feasible or realistic look at tuition that they the schools charge all districts across the state of pennsylvania they want to bring it back in line with maybe a five i believe it's almost six thousand dollar charge and stead of us pain our tuition rate which would say was about twenty seven hundred dollars per student for regular education student the other thing that he has proposed is raising the minimum wage so that that would be an additional cost to the district although small maybe twenty five to thirty thousand dollars and on a number of years hours that we work in a year that's still in his budget as well but we do not we have not included any of these changes in our budget i appreciate that and for the board please understand that's really a reduction raising the minimum wage for a school budget in for funding from the state in net because we're losing more money by that so i mean that's another way of the governor using language that is really a reduction in funding for the districts and so i just want to point that out and i will say with respect to the slide that's up there on the last data that i think i got from the district was that we had about forty seven students in cyber school so if you take the difference in what we pay i calculate is being only like one hundred seventeen thousand dollars whereas that guesstimate said that we would hearing not anything from the public regarding the presentation tonight on the matters of the agenda in the budget grounds will bring us up to speed on where that project lies right now good evening first of all a little round cap we've hired our new clerk of the works marring coby should be starting on the  first of may she'll be taking an office in the garage adjacent to me we will have camaraderie and close presence working this project through i met with the administrators today as a kickoff meeting to facilitating all the logistics of brainstorming of what the faculty needs in the administrators to move the students to move the faculty out of the building and we went through a dynamic ten points that we wanted to start off with and we're going to meet again in two weeks and we have a lot of common ground there are some things we still need to work out the lit for the furniture moves and some of the custom made supplies that we want to storage areas we want to build construct again i said we went through all the phasing all eight phases of the project and tomorrow we are going to be opening the sealed bids for the project here in this room at eleven o'clock that's about all i had for the mcmurry project or it's a quite comprehensive project that's really tomorrow morning will bring us some real latitude of where we're going with it  and what portions of it and who will be who we'll have for you to vote next monday night for the for the final phases of it let me let me point out it's separate check to be five point six million dollars and of that eighty seven percent of it is eligible for reimbursement so ok the next thing on her agenda that's why worse do you does anybody know still i know i asked this one other time but with the plan caught on well we make that deadline before another moratorium might start i did read that as well and reached out to architect and i was assured that all of our application would be in prior to that deadline and we would not have any negative impact from that diligently over the past year and a half to really do what is up there on the slide of a technology shift we're really pushing to spend our technology dollars in the classroom as much as we possibly plant possibly can as opposed to just operational functions on a day to day basis and some of the things that we have in place we've developed our in house resources patrick degnan our network administrator went to an alcatel lucent training two years ago and a saved us approximately seventy four hundred dollars by going to that training by not having to outsource a contracted services for people to come in and help us program our wireless systems we've taken our phone systems and surveillance system back from outside contractors and that saved us approximately thirteen thousand four hundred dollars based on previous purchase orders we handle these things in the house now and it's given us a lot more flexibility also our partnership with microsoft that we started last year with the e s program just by doing that alone we save ten thousand dollars annually on anti virus cost because we've been able to use the microsoft forefront package to be able to supplement what we had with so photos we also take a we have with analytics now before we make any decisions we're very thoughtful and we analyze everything that's happened on our network in our systems one of the most recent things that we've put in this called paper cut and it's our print monitoring software what we're able to do is track and see exactly where our printers are what our printers are printing and where we're using most of our print print fleets that and if you take a look at the screen up here actually going to pull it up and this is a executive summary from  papercuts for a century for the past month what you can see here is we've printed about two hundred eighty thousand pages and of those pages we did two hundred twenty three thousand sheets so that means that some of our prints are double sided but the majority of them are single sided we've done a c on that particular day we did about nine thousand pages and seven thousand pages there all the all that printing two hundred sixty three thousand five hundred twenty seven of those sheets were in black and white seventeen thousand of those were in color simplex and duplex obviously that is pretty on one side or double sided and how much of that is actually printing we can see our talk printers we know what our systems are doing now we know where the balk is actually being done and we know who's doing it now as well it allows us to shape those devices into better places what we found in some of our situations is that a lot of our print was actually being done by laser printers when in fact it might be better for us to actually switch this thirty period every thirty days we've found essential job down two point seven eight trees we've produced a thousand kilograms of c o two and we've run a sixty watt light bulb for sixty three thousand hours just to do those things we plant two trees every month we can i would appreciate that one of things i'm going to interject for here i mean adam does a lot of work looking at our analytics and how it translates into money for example we look and we see you are high users and going and talking to it's we're also able to do is check throughout the day throughout the month exactly where our print loads are in throughout the day exactly where our printing is actually done as well you can see that the majority of our printing is done at the beginning of the month right now and the majority of our printing is done at the end of the day as well it's just incredible now we got a lot of savings from switching our contract to our current provider we reinvested some of the savings back into this software to be able to learn what organization is doing and it's really going to impact us moving forward not only that we've done our helpdesk taking system like i've said in the past when i arrived here we had about two hundred fifty work at work orders in the system for technology as of right now we have forty two so we've done a very good job reallocating our assets and really focusing on problem areas and learning from this take it's to adjust our n and to adjust our resources accordingly we've managed to cycle out some of our problem resources and introduce new or more up to date things same thing with fire walls just by installing a simple piece of software we've we've been able to get gain more control over what comes in and what goes out of our network and that's very important for us well another p r portion of that as you saw in your we can review we're actually demo ing a thirty day evaluation unit right now that really provides us at  granular level to find out exactly what our students what our staff and what our ministers are doing on the lead when they're there so we can better drive our traffic it allows us to shape our band with which is they're very important for us we only have one hundred megabit circuits to go to the outside world currently so we have to be very diligent in how we use that saying that n w e n w e a testing gets first priority is very important for us when you compete with other resources like  amazon or you tube those type of those types of things that are going on so it's important for us to be able to do that so with that said we want to talk about the proposed mcmurry technology improvements but we're going to start looking at the building as a whole of that we want to improve access for students and teachers as many of you know there are about a thousand students at mcmurray elementary school which doesn't leave a lot of room for wired computer labs so we are very very dependent on our wireless infrastructure with that said it's not exactly standardized what we've been able to do over the years is accumulate access points and place them in particular areas but we really didn't have any analytics to help say what type of access point was necessary for us to have peak efficiency and access for all students to have their we've managed to do that we had a wireless survey done and we took those results and and rolled it into this proposal that you see here and what we're looking for is to be able to maximize our mobile device performance in a high density environment and that's very important because mcmurry is a high density environment not just in student population but how the classrooms are configured it's three levels and it's in a very small area what we're proposing is moving to an eight o two done  technology and most of you have probably heard of the at the g the end and that's what you have in home on your wireless routers but ac is the next standard that's coming down the road i phone six has those on it and some of the chrome books have it now this is also for forward thinking for us as more devices come out that we have ac technology integrated into we'll be able to take advantage of that that is gigabit wireless ethernet which is a fantastic product we want to provide complete building coverage and equitable access like we said it's important for us to have a consistent user experience as the students in the faculty are there throughout their day it doesn't matter what the resource is we want them to be able to have reliable access no matter what they want to do and that's cable that's that's able at some point to this point but it's not entirely there we can do a much better job the wiring for this deployment's already been done as we were running the wiring for our ip phone deployments we actually looked into the future and said at some point we are going to have to do this so we ran an additional wire to actually support it so the cable infrastructure is already there for us all we have to do is plug in the access points in the switching to be able to do it's also the radiologist up to a forty percent level based on our funding formula so forty percent of our project we can officially apply for reimbursement it doesn't mean that we're going to get it and we're going to be competing with a lot of larger districts and more needy districts but still the option is there for us to be able to do that want to do to be able to see your map of the wireless survey that we had done just this is an example of one floor we do what's called heat mapping so in each one of the classrooms which you can see is there's an access point essentially these clocks are because of the makeup of the building but you can see just exactly how far the wireless signals travel and the strength of the signals based on where they are they visited each classroom and had a wireless measurement device and basically said this is what it would look like if you would actually put it in there with a currently on emergency power devices the access points aren't currently with what we have they are essentially just plugged into any access any network drop that we have in the classroom what we would actually be doing is powering those devices over ether net and then in the new deployment and that power would be back to our wireless clauses which which are then over our emergency generation system so we we would be able to take care of that of the closet level as opposed to plugging in an ac adapter i'm glad and his closet update is that that's part of mcmurry prada yes so even if the power went out those access points are very same thing with the yeah you know to me well absolutely what we're what we're planning to do in projects that i've submitted to mr galt's basically take a two year approach beginning this year at updating our wireless infrastructure for throughout the rest of our district  it's not possible nor advisable to really do that to all five buildings or all four remaining buildings at any one time because the bill will come due later on down the road at the exact same time as well it's better to stretch as expenditures out and start to run you know to really get a lifecycle plan in place with that not only that these will probably be our least expensive buildings that we're going to approach this year supply for that so that for that funding formula like i said we're up against l a county those type of school districts applying for those reimbursements we have a better chance of getting funded in future years as opposed to year but we were doing this with the rest of our buildings as well we want to know what we're doing before we you know before we make the investment we want to make sure that we're doing the this is a fantastic diagram to let you know what we need to do moving forward question and it's somewhat related as far as it's you know other buildings and issues that might be there and for future improvements is you know i have heard at the high school of kids being locked out of the wireless connection there and can you tell me why that occurs and then is it does it have something to do with capacity it has everything to do with capacity and it also has to do with security as well what we have found as we've approached ply these analytics is that some of the students on their bring your own devices tend to have now where it's essentially ended on those machines or even on their phones and they have to do what is called d m s attacking so what they'll actually do is use our network to attack other areas throughout the country or throughout the world to flood the servers with denial of service attacks and what we have to do is centrally remove them from the network and let them know hey we believe that your phone is infected or your devices in fact and this is what we think you can do to help our rectify some of those situations but it is also the fact of capacity if everyone here on our b y o b or everyone in our network is using that hundred megabit circuit if if some of it is used for only malicious purposes that's filling up that pipe or somebody else that using it for an educational purpose wouldn't be able to access it or is quickly as they possibly could we believe we can do a better job of notifying students as well so that's what we're working on as a department in conjunction with the high school administration be able to say hey we think your your device is infected we don't want to you know fix it for you we just want to let you know that there might be an issue here and  fact also propose for improved safety and communications are the upgraded upgrading of the intercom and paging system mcmurry elementary we want to update the existing rollin intercom paging system core that's not the cable in the ghost every classroom nor the speakers or the clocks we feel that those are still in pretty good shape what we are interested in doing is integrate is is fixing that core the core is original to the building one thousand nine hundred three so parts and service can be difficult at times if not impossible for some key components and what we want to do is replace that core but leave everything else everything else in place it's also we can also purchase that off top on our costars if we try to move that move in that direction we've considered doing an ip based intercom system but we don't want to say there's such thing as too much convergence but you also want to have redundant systems in case there is a failure if we do have an issue with our an ethernet switching we know that the paging system will work no matter what we know that even if we have an issue there and there isn't a situation at mcnairy elementary will still be able to get the alert out to students based on a system like this we did consider both methods when looking at  questions we're also looking to be future ready we want to upgrade the fiber optic fiber optic infrastructure in mcmurray elementary between our data closets we have four data closets that we work with and we want to upgrade that to what's called zero m four five and this is fiber that it's capable of achieving really really high speeds up to one hundred megabits i mean one hundred gigabits between the switches now that's not feasible for us at the time being  nor necessary for us to do or do now but as prices come down and technologies change this really helps us keep a leg up as we move forward and considering that all the ceilings will still be down this will be a very easy project for us to the infrastructure is going to support next generation demands and it also falls under the rate eligibility of forty percent question so you are going to pull pull the fiber yes that's what we would like to do ok are you install introductory just going to i we're going to use the arm or cable  just because in between the clauses we really don't see a big need to be able to do like a blown fiber or an inner dock where we're going to be pulling many more fiber strands if we do twelve strands to each clause that you know that's six pairs that's that's a lot s and now we want to talk about the classroom level currently in mcmurry what we have are sixty four projectors twenty four of those projectors are under three years of age and still under warranty twelve of those twenty four were replaced this year because of issues that we had many of the projectors were purchased under classrooms of the future and are way out of warranty and they have a pixelation problem and sometimes you can change the chip and change the chip in them but most of the time you cannot so the only way to fix the problem has to actually purchase a new projector nine of those projectors are between three and five years of age twelve of those projectors are nine years or older in those classrooms we also have twelve interactive whiteboards all are from two thousand and nine or prior and only four in four of those boards are portable so what you see is we have approximately sixty two classrooms in mcnerney but of those sixty two classrooms only twelve of them really have any type of interactivity associated with it it is strictly a projection and students sit here and watch what's going on in the projection screen right now and that's a creates a lot of challenges it's it's limited and not even access to both students and staff members and it's not conducive to maximize constructional time as a teacher it is difficult to create multimedia rich presentations and classroom experiences if you might have access to a resource we want to make sure that no matter where those teachers are they know what they're walking into they know i have access to this resource they know that if i'm coaching with another teacher i have to ability to access the same the same resource that she does or he does as well it's also not conducive to maximizing instructional time with the traditional model especially in mcmurry if you're on the second floor in the students are walking at the third floor the projector will move and what happens is with those interactive interactive whiteboards when your pen touches that screen you have to calibrate it in recalibrate every time that projector moves so that's instructional time waste of the teacher spends time calibrating the ten points that they have to work you know you know to make sure that all of their points in the cursors match up that doesn't happen with a solution what we're proposing or what you actually see the presentation being done on right now they are interactive classrooms it's all the classrooms at mcmurray would be equipped with sharp sharp acos interactive touch warts there are flexible all in one solution if you manage to walk around that board right now the only thing that is actually attached to the wall is the plug to get power from the outlet it helps us promote a student center learning environment gives us instructional flexibility and access and consistency it's an all in one audio solution that we're looking at has a sound bar attached to it as well so it is an all inclusive so it is an all inclusive solution it allows the teacher to change the classroom is necessary so this means that if you are doing a learning center that particular day you can rebuild your classroom that this could be its own and independent learning center it doesn't always have to be the front of the room if you have a traditional setting like this you see that the projector is hard fixed to the to loom ceiling and you have the screen at the front you really don't change you can change the desks but you can't you can't change the environment the traffic technology i can actually unplug that television from the front of the room wheel it to the back of the room we'll it's a hallway we'll let outside if we really want to i'm not suggesting it but we could do to if we wanted to teachers could coach each she could have a teacher could actually take it from one classroom to another and actually put two boards together and work on the exact same presentation or activity with their kids we would all it would maximize instructional time there's little to no calibration associated with a board like this even if i go up there and shake it i don't have to recalibrate the board it's a television you can also see the difference in the quality of the image this is the this is what classrooms have in a currently what's being projected behind dr french and mr dunne levy and this is what we're proposing moving forward we don't have the devil lights for all students to be able to see what's going on system conver n no right that physical item is actually what it would be that's this is it this is the physical item that you see right here so i don't mean to be negative because this looks very interesting to me but  this is the sixty four thousand dollar question how do we prepare for what we don't know is coming in the future how is this future of thinking well what this allows us to do is be flexible in our work environments but the inputs that are associated with these with these boards pretty much allows us to attach anything to it at any given time we can remotely attach i pads to it or we can actually walk up to it and put chrome books on it we can put teachers laptops on it we have lots of options moving forward and i think that's key in today's environment is building flexible solutions so we can do whatever we need to do at any given time to help and mr swan chalk one question i have is i'm i'm assuming  because you're so great at training and that sort of thing that you would go and offer to provide training so that teachers would know the flexibility and the uses that this technology has and with the expense of it that's what i see is do you think there's the willingness to do that because otherwise you're going to have a t v screen that costs a lot of money and if it's not being used to its potential really benefiting too much from it no you're absolutely correct and the only thing more power paramount to having the board itself is training you know if you're not willing to work with a teacher to help them develop those interactive lessons everything that we've spent there and i want to say is a waste that is not being used effectively that's important for us in the vendor that we choose to help train those teachers an monthly it doesn't matter we have tech tuesday workshops in mcmurray elementary currently every month and we're trying to pick those up in other buildings were more than willing to train we want to show them how to use these in the classroom and be really affect so that's more important than anything else you also have the same metrics in terms of tracking as you do in the printers with these kind of devices and so if you have teachers that aren't using them if we can communicate with them and find out why they're not using them and that goes back to your following up and fallen through and i think that's a very key point with this you can't do that with the projectors in every case like you can do that do that with the rest so if you replace all these it is one common interface in this book as we move forward we will what we would do is you know work with third grader kindergarten and work our way forward or subject levels working our way you know working our way forward here  it was mainly taking advantage of the situation was the fact that we were doing a complete renovation to actually do power in the ceiling and some of the other slides you'll see here it was the opportunity as well that made it made it intriguing for us in  yeah i mean about eighty two hundred is what each one of those units cost us or of for sixty two of them is what the proposal would end up being for and would is the proposal you just if i you right one teacher or two teachers can possibly share one we do you want every classroom what we're going to try and do is hit every classroom only because teachers are not necessarily working together but if they decided to go teach or the environment  you know was was conducive to it on the last think it was conducive to it they could bring that board over and work with other teachers in that environment so gives us flexibility moving forward but to that point consumer thing what you're driving at is what mr swan stock is telling us is that with the construction going on it makes it cost it makes it appealing to do it at this time as opposed to separate yes and so in terms of the rationale what i'm hearing him say is this is the right time and cost effective time to do it at mcmurray as opposed to the other buildings in phasing it in in that way but i think that's you're driving at how do we save the cost and this being a construction project as the place is you  right right you do and some of the costs associated with a traditional actually becoming up in a couple there's lots of we can you know we can talk about mr swan talk would you say that projectors and or smart boards that are currently in that would you propose to distribute those into other classrooms within the district that doesn't have it or resell that somehow or we would redistribute until we have that long range plan of we're going to start addressing their grade second grade and subject matters moving forward we don't plan on wasting anything we're not just going to rip and say we're done with it we're going to put it in there in the dumpster every one of those projectors that we put in this year can be reused in other buildings every resource that we have part of construction costs this is eligible for that is that what you're saying it wouldn't necessarily be eligible for construction costs the rate might be that the best avenue to go there but it might not even be able to be covered under there this would definitely be an out of pocket cost moving forward but what i'm saying is it's capital projects cost no would be budgetary that's the point that i was making associated to the building ok to be a capital expenditure as opposed to a general fund ok and for me that makes a big deal especially given the budget constraints that you just saw that we have thank you would also be able to participate in system and network convergence and this case it doesn't make sense what you see it mcmurray elementary is we have an aging  cable t v network that we utilize for about five minutes a day for our our nonsense currently what we would essentially do for those announcements is begin to stream those live over the internet to these televisions into these systems rather than replacing that cable t v network system we'll be able to retire it we wouldn't pull the cabling out but we just wouldn't replace the televisions and the mounting brackets in the classroom we would just do it over this you know over this deployment and it helps for most of the forces communication collaboration critical thinking skills and creativity your traditional fixed classroom cost this is the estimates that we have on this is about eighty six hundred dollars your smart board the bluetooth adapter to be able to install on the teacher a laptop to be able to communicate with the board no matter where they are in the classroom the amount to be able to mount on the wall is included in this as well as the projector and the extreme classroom control system and audio inputs and the reason that we included that is because to get the same quality of audio and control that we would have with this bore we would need to actually install a system like this in our classroom if we were really going to compare apples to apples and i think to your point mr mcmurray the last three items are probably the most important as to why we would go for this throughout the entire building is the above the ceiling electrical work in some classrooms right now we do not have outlets that are installed below the majority of them below grade so you can actually plug  plug the projector into in order for us to get sick codes i guess for us to be co compliant we would have to install those outlets in the ceilings this would be an opportunity for us to not spend that money to do something like that just to roll a solution like this and later on the same thing with a classroom t v mounts and retrofits to do a for for morning announcements that we use for a couple of minutes every morning to actually put a flat panel television  to retrofit the mount that they have on the walls and the installation to do so would be approximately sixteen hundred dollars to do that i think there's money we could spend the money a little bit better then then putting those televisions on back on the wall like they are currently installation services for installing all of this equipment in those classrooms takes about a day per classroom with two people doing work right now that includes cabling and includes the labor associated with actually putting those those in those inputs on the wall and actually putting the equipment in not to mention the fact that working as the teacher was kind of tethered to one spot then if we have a solution like this that allows us to last the teacher to move around and make that classroom whatever they want to be to help clarify that a little more ok if you look at the touch more solution that we're proposing the board itself and the p c the keyboard and mouse that i'm actually working off right now the rolling stand and the yamaha year warranty is on everything if we go back to the previous line you're not to help me because i'm going a little bit blind ok i found it smart boards have a standard two year warranty the extreme systems have a five but the mounts in the projectors they run anywhere from two to three years depending on what we're getting there we're getting a little bit more peace of mind moving forward as well these are commercial grade monitor so they're designed to be on essential we all day every day and these are the often comparisons if you total it all out again these are just estimates moving forward but this is what it would look like with a fixed classroom as opposed to a touch more solution like you see here there's also advanced functionalities with this we have the ability to  android devices so students sitting at their at their desk were working in a pod can actually work together and take control of these boards and participate so there's a little bit more of an advanced functionality that we wouldn't currently get with  classroom essentially these boards would come either in three pieces or put together depending on the vendor that we go with so all we would have to do is roll them off the truck and in the classroom they're ready to go i don't want to say that it's unproven technology because it is proven technology but this is a fairly new and forward thinking approach to a classroom so there is a gamble there and i'm not going to lie to you what we have to decide is is there is it worth it for us to put a cutting edge technology in the classroom like this were to stay a little bit to stay a little bit more reserved or reserved and go with  is better as a rule i don't necessarily think there's a way that you can guarantee that other than training and working with teachers to make sure that is actually used in the classroom to do one and done training would just be you know would be irresponsible on my part as the technology coordinator here making sure that they're doing everything that they possibly can to interact to integrate this into their lessons moving forward and actually pulling kids up and working with them that's important moving forward i you the cost of come down significantly it's typically used in business more than anything else law firms have had these you're starting to see these pop up in school districts throughout the united states but not at the level at which we're proposing this is truly a unique way of looking the way of looking at the way our classrooms function and i think i think that's the way to really look at it is it's an opportunity for us to be able to really provide that students are learning experience to our kids  years i also know what you mean our other schools here as we would have to worry as well i think it's important for us to develop a plan then either through local budgetary funds through technology department or some other way to actually come up with that game plan to going to be going to trainings going to some of the seminars that we go to going to to some of the product launches that we do that's important for me to stay on top of to make sure that we are you know we are staying on top of things because we're staying on top of things and putting the right solutions in the classroom that will work together with any of the solutions that we put put forth it doesn't matter what building we picked it was there's the rooms that we don't have the markers and the other ones if there are any you just roll it from we don't use what you could to currently in price we scheduled the library to have them as well library music rooms art rooms it doesn't matter every one of them currently has it in the scope of the project leader and this is what we're proposing it doesn't mean that this is sentenced own but this is the ideal situation for us moving  that was the teacher reaction very positive and mr fisher was there on time actually see that and it really it really got the gears turning with a lot of our teachers to say wow this can totally change how we're doing things and how we interact with our students you have any you memory of your actions we have some of this in the teachers a lot of these are very positive about it they like that interactivity and they like that the ability to connect the i pads you know we have we have some i pad carts and you know mr swan chalk shared of them that you could actually whatever you're putting on the board you can actually feed it out to the i pads so the teacher the kids can see up front and personal what's on the board or teat the kids can take over the board and share what they're doing with the class so it's a really really powerful piece so it wasn't too much technically it's hard for them did they had the album to take and understand the concept of it all the concept as a rule is essentially the same just want to use it yeah centrally the concept is the same the ones that are specifically using the smart boards in their classroom right now the interface looks similar and as you can see i'm using my pad right now connect through their teacher laptop to their to their projector right now to be able to use those interactive resources it really wasn't so much of a shift there it was just there used to seeing a projector hanging from the ceiling and they're used to seeing a screen on the wall that's what's going to be the most challenging is getting them to understand that this can be whatever you needed to do every year mr murray i would go a step further i think your points in your questions are right on point but let me just say these projectors say ten years ago fifteen years ago over the course of time the quality the interactivity has come to this and so when you talk about what's coming down the pike what we see before us as one who uses this technology and i've used that the post secondary level and at the doctor level it really just as he said it's not a new technology but it gives you a new platform to use it that's flexible and i think this puts us ahead of pretty much everybody else around us who don't have this type of technology and allows us for future growth when new technology comes along our way to incorporate it if i'm understanding mr screenshot correctly this is this is the wave of the future for the curtain education classroom to not be fixed with a screen on the wall and hanging from the top this gives flexibility the teacher and and i can be more supportive of this i think it's just fantastic that we're thinking about this i too though think about the other buildings and who doesn't have them and the noise that's going to come when do we get them and that could be an extremely high expense if we did it all at one time so i i  applaud those questions because that the phasing in of it is going to be my issue in terms of how do we do it equitably and and who gets the first you know around but to do it with mcmurray as you've heard him say in terms of the installation installation one week to do the whole building technology and we're yeah no it's the p d part of it is more important than the actual device itself one of the things that you'll notice when we bring the budgets back to you we're going to see an increase in the professional development line and  wouldn't be exercising so if we don't use it it's not going to help do you going to see a doctor murphy's budget we are really putting a lot in teacher impression of development and we're hoping we're going to have some high end users and and could i just add that with that mistress one shock i honestly have so much trust in you and i have seen you speak at different groups and the excitement that you bring and that would be the reason you know that i would vote for this and one thing that i would ask maybe you know six months half a year into the school year next year would it be great to have a presentation about how it's been used you know within the building at education meeting or something just to make you don't need the eraser just use your hand vents just use your hand that's so  ok we're going to move on to the next item on the agenda which is facility proposal so representative from the peters township school district quarterback club booster association the share and we have a few goals that we would like to try to achieve within the next couple of years and they're lofty and i'm just going to read this because i'm usually not a present or i'm usually a doer so please if i shake a little bit just ignore that the peters township quarterback club's goal is to create a primary use football facility for athletic training development space for coaches  our goal today is to provide you with an overview of the proposed for facility benefits opportunities with the facility and funding considerations we are seeking the board approval this evening to move forward with the design concept and funding phase the overview of the primary use of football facility high level description of propose to sell it a space located in the desisting away concession stand structure what we're proposing is to have a large open locker room to accommodate eighty lockers and to allow for team meetings a team meeting area that can also be used by other groups when we're not using it when the football team is not using it  shower and restroom facilities coaches office conference room this point can also this can also be used by other coaches that may be trying to have college  recruiters kamen that's a nice would be a great facility for them as well coaches restroom and a weight room the conceptual design services provided by rio's williams architects which would include and i just want to point out the williams family they a part of our football family and that's pretty much so why we went with them there are active in the quarterback club so there are some of the that we went right too they're going to provide a code of  investigation to determine designate dignity criteria nondestructive field survey of a distinct conditions in areas affected by project input existing conditions into autoca development of preliminary architectural floor plans and elevations communications with zoning officials to determine the requirements development of cost estimate and it's intended to be a da compliant and handicap accessible while the benefits and opportunities of the facility primary space for the football team and coaching staff as football is an eleven month sport we generally take off december and start right back in after christmas right after the christmas holiday so it is a it's a long season with very few football games opens the current weight room area within the high school to other sports reduces the number of student athletes sharing the current facility footballers represent seventy to eighty athletes so you're taking seventy eighty boys guys out of the weight room and that's allowing more girls maybe to go in there and work out if they need to without maybe feel like they're not part of you know being able to do what they really want to do in the weight room because there are so many men and there it will  what we're planning will house football specific training equipment not used by other sports conference room will provide a space for college recruiting meetings for football and other sports again that it would really overlook the field so  kind of a beautiful thing so that you can still look out over top of the field and not have to go back to brian's conference room that's in the school as for spawning quarterback club intends to see corporate donations for funding of the facility with naming rights included but also under the director of of the board we're going to stay within their guidelines does anybody have any questions or concerns or thoughts one can't concern i have thirty five years in destruction history any time i've worked on any project or even started putting any type investment a project the first thing they generally do is know what their budget is what this is going to cost because the last thing the world we would want to do is start down a path and have people invest money and really have not the wherewithal or the interest to support their project i agree with you one hundred percent at this point we this money isn't mine to spend so i'm trying to be very frugal with money and i do not want to spend money for the quarterback club to have to go down a bad path and say i'm with you i want to be able to see this through to completion so i can't put the horse before the cart so i'm trying to do step one egg and then step one building next step but i i can't really do one before i can even tell you what you know anything is going to cost because we haven't gone that far yet so if the seedling you say is the board we're not interested in furthering that's then when it's done but if you say we think that this is a good idea we think we should move forward on this then that's what you know then that's what we'll do oh ok well there's going to vote tonight this is better stand that i understand that informational correct i understand  and we could be talking hundreds of thousands of dollars here i understand that we're trying to keep it within like half a million dollars i guess while you're here we want to not even football field soccer field lacrosse field every other field and it's going you'd said at the primary uses football so i would have to ask our i'd have to ask our attorney to give us an idea on this one because i just i don't see how we can do that because of title we do have title nine issues i know as i understand and my thoughts though were we may not be able to create a whole nother facility that houses  the girls athletic fields and apartments as well but we are alleviating seventy to eighty boys out of that area that the more girls can go in there and feel comfortable and in that way when i understand what the facility is on our main it everything that we put on that main field in my opinion what i understand has to be title nine ready for everybody every student in the school district well kim can i ask a question with respect to what your intentions are too because i applaud you for saying that you know the the group would seek funding on its own you're not here asking for money  and when you say primary football facility would you be open and i guess will ask the solicitor then to comment but i have read a lot about like the title nine in the effect of even booster group money coming in in the school has to take count into that into account would would the the quarterback club be willing to say  that that football gets first use but any sporks when it's not use including the way room the lockers whatever could be used by any sport girls or boys yes absolutely but when we first started to this planning process out just talking it was going to be primarily for boys so really the locker rooms and all those primary facilities are really going to be more to think european honest here towards the boys if but you also have to understand as a football club that's a lot of donations to come across and just to let every single other sport use the facility without having the it's just like we're giving this big huge gift and saying everybody can you said i don't know if that's really fair and i don't know if our quarterback club families to be quite honest would be willing to do that much work so that every single other family in this township can use that facility and i'm being one hundred percent honest i'm not saying that the girls can't go up and use the locker rooms or the boys soccer lacrosse or field hockey or whatever else can't go and use the facility i'm just saying that any time football says we need to be in there that's who's going to be on their day i mean it's would be like if you bought your home and your mortgage and you said come on in everybody can use that and that's why i blight the solicitor to talk because and we wanted you to come here today because we didn't want the quarterback club to spend even the initial money if the solicitor sad as that it's not possible to create or spend that much money on that use so could you give us an idea and explain maybe basically because i never knew until a long i mean last year i started reading articles about title nine and booster group money and it just doesn't seem right whenever they say you know if a booster group wants to give you four hundred thousand dollars you might have to decline because you might be forced to spend four hundred thousand dollars on a girl sports so could you tell us a little bit about what we probably need to do is take a vaca stab and just to make sure we're talking about you know the terms are clear we're talking about school district property a school district owned building that the booster group would like to make improvements upon correct correct expand in all that our stuff it's owned by the school district the building yes yes so any improvement or bequest by anyone including booster groups or anyone else for that matter actually is treated under the school code as a gift and with it it has to be a gift in the form of it is given a centrally unconditionally to a school board doesn't district you cannot not you are not singling you out correct you but no one can come in and basically effect some kind of permanent change to school district property with strings attached in terms of what you can do with the property and what you can it has to be to school districts just aren't empowered to be able to accept those kinds of conditional grants of you know perhaps a benefit so it's it would have to be a gift treated as a gift in a monetary amount and then with the intention to the school district this is what we would like you to be to do with that but there's no promise north or a guarantee under the law that the school district has to do that and then that's where the title nine aspect of this comes and unfortunately title nine was designed to make sure that there's not a disparity under these kinds of circumstances because it has to do with when you're talking about colleges your football program which is a tremendous source of revenue a tremendous source of of interest within the community that draws in a lot of resources but it was it got to be the point you are where this it got to be the point where that was taking all of the proverbial oxygen out of the budget of an athletic department and all the other programs particular programs that involve female athletes was were were getting eliminated or were just not given adequate resources so legally my advice would be this and you've seen the memorandum that our office prepared on it and it's just it's a position of our our office it's just not me  is that the only proper way that this could be handled by the school district is for the school district if there is an offer for a gift to you know decide whether or not it wants to accept that gift and then from there what steps it will take to  you know basically effectuate the desires of the don't or in the first place but there cannot have it but it cannot be that's the the real trick is you can't impose conditions one of the says football gets priority here we're the ones that are see where you're coming from where because just like you said you know it's your money but by giving your money to a public entity the school district doesn't have the authority to be able to accept the conditions it has to accept it and then you know use it in accordance with the law even if using it in accordance with the law may want to follow what your stated intention was in the first place scrod go a step further i appreciate that  explanation because the school board at least this member would be very open to the quarterback club maybe soliciting a naming rights donor that might give enough money to improve the stadium in any way such as this way that would affect all the sports and so you know that that is part of the problem with title nine that we cannot deal with the specifics of male football players in that in that area but in terms of the whole stadium or anything else i'm understanding that a donor could give money for that purpose and the board could accept that gift and try to effectuate that donor's desires to the best of our abilities but it would have a benefit for all students this isn't the school board not wanting to be able to do this this is the legalities of whether we can or not based on title nine and other factors i wanted to be communicated to the quarterback club because i think this is a fantastic thing that the quebec club is trying to do for the benefit the football program but unfortunately because the law our hands are tied and so i don't want there to be a negative feeling that the school board doesn't want this to go forward it's a matter of legalities and whether or not we can fulfill the quarterback club's desires so more of a more broad approach i think would be a better approach to effectuate that which the court backlog is trying to achieve ok so i understand that so what i'm going to take back from this meeting to my to my members is that number one if we get a donation a huge amount of money it pretty much still has to go peter sellers of school district as a gift it might end up buying books you know it's not you know you know the point is i just want to i just want to make sure though it would go to a sports facility it's not going to go decision it can be designated to my understanding to the stadium let's say ok and improvements to the stadium and we have issues in the stadium besides there so i am having i guess bleachers and stuff so to the stadium project we would have to honor that accepting the i mean that's an i r s issue we have to accept the parameters of the donations in so far as we can but it doesn't mean that if they gave us a million dollars let's say for improvements to the effort of field they're going to go buy textbooks no we were be bound if i want to and that's i want to make sure that it's not like you can just you know decide we're we're sort of here and there and that's where we're going to stick at you know your your that's a good it's a good distinction because if you cannot pick favorites amongst the people that the overall gift is is that falls under it would be a gift to the athletic department would be used for the purposes of the athletic department for just like what dr harding was talking about if we want to for that but you just can't make give priority or preference to a subset of that community when it's and it has to be it has to be balanced and it has to be equal just in compliance with title nine but you're also saying though that it can be as specific as saying that this is to only be used to create that type of facility it's not that you know it c used for this stadium seats or whatever it has to be used for if you accept the donation and has to be used for that type of improvement or facility it's just that you can't then designate who gets to benefit for example if you come up with five hundred thousand dollars we want to donate those and here's the plans are going to architect has already drawn it this is what we would like you to do with it is google takes that back and if it if it you know dawn good to go then it just becomes a facility that's under the control of  director and then the athletic director at that point does what he does as as he manages the rest of his facilities so if if if that area could be made into a female locker room and that would settle that issue or not it's not so much what you cannot if your plans are like this is where we're going to provide locker room space we're going to provide meeting space we're going to provide this kind of stuff that's that by itself is ok you just simply can't say the football team gets out of the line privileges with when it comes to actually using that space throughout you know throughout the academic year but you can't say but we understand that you need more you know just station more exercise space any more meeting room space so you know your gift would be what we're going to do is we're going to give you enough money and we're going to give you basically architectural designs for you to be able to do that and then the school district and do it that's fine ok one other question i have ok so if you turn this money over then does that cut how does it is going to end up coming up to ok will we have to go through the three bed cycle and all that stuff or can we go with the tell me how that's going to work  and i don't want to give like the the lawyer answer it depends what you can do now not i'm not coaching you to do this but i'm just if you were to give that up i need something that's a lawyer and so that's what i'm here for because i can't do next step until i get there and you can do whatever you want right now i mean you could you could get architectural design to say this is what we would like you to do we think it would cost you this provide that to the school district now when it comes to actually opening the bids for construction yet the school district going to follow the public school code with respect to that but it's not going to have to redo work that was already that you've already done if the quarterback club wants to use the williams firm and have to pay them to do that that's that's ok that's your business ok right what happens if you don't have people that want to step forward and donate that's why i said mr yeah it's the same thing you just traded has a it's a different in kind kind of gift but it's still a gift to the school district so if you're talking about actual material such as fixtures and that kind of stuff sure you can accept that school district what they'll do is you know receive  you know if they follow the provisions of the school code they can accept it as quote i think one of the things that you what i'm hearing you say is more so the off season usage as because the effort director i'm sure on a friday night football game is going to make sure if this facility exists that the football team is going to be scheduled to be in there so i guess what i'm hearing is you're more concerned about the off season and as you've heard there is no way for the school district to mandate preferential treatment for a facility during the off season there's no athletic director would even do that let alone are having the ability but during the season there's no doubt in my mind that they would have preferential treatment in the sense of when they have a game they have to use it in their practice it's schedule everything else correct doctor  not have a facility right now were the entire team can go as a unit they've during pregame and have time to go the oxygen we set up for in chairs there's no there's no meeting room so to answer your question actually we use  the football team uses do you feel that there will be a lot of free time in this facility were other groups could be  you know scheduled in that same facility also at because i'm assuming that it's there's going to be a lot of open time in that particular facility the proposed new for so yes yes the proposed new facility in it all depends on what the scope of the project is and i think that mr carruthers here i don't know if they they have an idea of what the scope what they'd like the scope to be but that may change because of space and other things because i'm assuming if the team is lifting it's a period of you know two hours that they currently have the you know lifting facility now within  main school building so i would think that there'd be a lot of other opportunities to schedule other groups in there but i'm not to your point most centers and it's going to open up our facilities greatly whether it be a locker room whether it be a weight room we have so many people who want to use the u s these facilities now we just don't have time so our two thirty to four o'clock when it's open to the general public for everybody there's fifty kids in there at this point  and then at four o'clock football comes in and they they bring another fifty or sixty s more kids into that weight room as those other kids psyco out so it does give us more opportunities to do things with it with with th either go home or go somewhere and study for a little bit in then come back and then they're lifting starts at what four thirty four o'clock lifting for football starts at four that's just a speccy was a should we can't get fifty additional football players in there when the general public is in there because our weight room is open for two hours after school every day in an hour in the morning where it's used usefully during those times and i was just talking to coach the other day because he's now trying to do other conditioning as well in a bigger space so they went up to be in the cafeteria and he was saying amongst you know they didn't understand that the look on the floor was going to be i'm so a lot of the exercises they were doing actually became dangerous because the kids are jumping up on boxes now boxes are sliding out from underneath the kids i i don't want to see any of that that we're trying to make something else work just because we have nothing else it becomes a safety issue as well there's there's there's and if you have if you don't know what our locker rooms look like at the high school please feel free to walk down and look around at them they're they're small also on a friday night brian and i were talking that would also alleviate both teams football teams going down into the same high school but now you can have one that's going to be on the opposite side of the field and one that's going to be down here same thing with does a great job of getting other playoff teams to our school districts again to split them up as well that there isn't any down time between one teams getting off the other team has to wait one team can go out now the other team has to wait that kind of thing so it's i'm just trying to make improvements and i when i first started stalking about this i probably had ten people give me ten different things that they've already tried to get past so in my mind i thought well can we start small and bite small chunks off and then start working our way over or through the stadium and through doing the away stands and doing the the the announcer booth if you say you're going to do a ten million dollar project everybody's like it's never going to happen so if you start small maybe into a half million dollar job and then just kind of keep moving your yourself over maybe that might go down better than a ten million dollars project so that's all i can say i have another question for the solicitor in that say the project goes for it's you know in there and openly you say it's usable by all groups depending on how it's schedule with the athletic department and it just so happens know female sports more often or tries to do that and you actually try to physically schedule that space so that it is used by both sexes  it would start from the genesis of the actual project itself and the genesis would have to be such that there are no conditions in terms of giving preference to one sport over another sport if it if it comes out with the understanding here's what we would like you to do and here we're giving you the money to be able to do that and the school district does that as long as everyone understands that this is now just a p it's just another facility the school district property just like anything else and just like everything else so if it just sort of kaz that level of perfect what if in actuality football does get that i mean does somebody then have an argument that says you're saying that there's they don't have priority but in actuality they are getting priority i mean do you have to be careful when you actually do this at all and what what it becomes is a difference between de facto discrimination which is this is for the football game versus does your which is like in  it appeared to be a neutral basically access but it really wasn't but it would it depends on the circumstances because you can't the schools are six not expected to pretend as if the level of participation in say the football program that has the number of people  hours and the requirements of come with training as compared to another event that doesn't necessarily require that much consumption of the facilities but there at least it has to be somewhat proportionate so you don't have to clear the football team out just to allow  that the you know the girls field hockey team to be able to come in for a little you know for a portion of it as long as it can defend itself and here's how these things are it is how it happened and slippery rock and i was with the attorney general's office who had to go there and defend him and the actual act what happens is you're to what how it could come forward is a female athlete and i'm not editorializing by saying that but if there's a female athlete that says oh by the way i was on this team and either the team went away or we were just forever subjected to inferior facilities as compared to say a boy's sport you know that's that's a very large one and then the school district have to defend itself from that so what if you could say we understand what our requirements are and this is pointed out the fact that at four o'clock the football team has to wait till four o'clock it's perfectly defendable that the football team could use this facility at two thirty when school is out because the public has it from two to four so i think it's circumstantial in terms of what's happening and we're already doing this and i think you'd be absurd to say that in some way if this building gets build that it defacto becomes a football only use because mr guy has already demonstrated the fact that he has to juggle schedules both for fields and all you have to do by the way is pay attention to that in a fall because football only use that field for games once a week on fridays and then once for j v on saturdays and if there's any freshman but the soccer team uses it you know so it's already happening is my point and i don't think there's anything that's going to change that from occurring i can't imagine that the football team would end up using the facility more than anyone else because a football team has such a short season the other seasons i know you said that they have practices in conditioning and all that but that's not the real playing season so if you look at playing season for field hockey playing season for lacrosse playing season for soccer all those others i would assume that mr dyer would take that into consideration in the people who are in there playing season would get the highest priority i would think that's the way you would do it yeah and to answer your question it up if you creates more opportunities for other locker rooms to be used because right now we have one male locker room we have one female locker room that's not the physical education locker rooms that's the the in season locker rooms it frees that up i can put a boy's soccer team in there and take to give field hockey their own locker room during the winter sea or during the fall season so that actually by not by by by taking football out of the equation it gives us more space for individual teams which in turn i think helps out everybody to have their own team room i wouldn't see football out of the equation there if the soccer team is playing on the stadium field then it would make sense to me that the soccer team would be using this new facility and if the football team is doing their conditioning and they need the locker room they would be using the one in the building not on the field because they don't need to be near the field not maybe i'm totally off base but that seems like that would factor into this scheduling and i think it all look at the schedule and look at the schedule overall you know that a conference room for example a team to go there at half time now well football is a sport that's twenty minutes at halftime soccer has ten other sports have ten so they don't have time to go back to the building but i think it provides a space where or possibly we could we could put those teams if it's inclement weather to get them out of the rain or or poor conditions for that to in the time so yeah the other thing i wanted to address and just to make sure something that mrs corrado said i wanted to give direction is as she originally said it was sort of going to be designed as a boys locker room and i'm guessing the only difference i could think of between a girls locker room and a boy's locker room would be your arnold's verses that sort of thing would there be any restriction she would need to know to tell the architect would that be inappropriate to slanted toward yes male and yeah if i understand your question correctly it's if you make a facility the word really that the restroom facilities are designed only for boys that aren't you know fact what you're doing is you're making a boys only facility you have that there would be that if you could that would be a problem that would be one of the things that someone could point to and say yeah you sort of say that it was for abuse for both but in effect you actually built it so it was only for male as opposed to female so that's something she would have to take back to the group and the architect and also you had put a couple things in when you said it would be ok for the quarterback club to contract with the architect and get the initial plans together but in your opinion you had said a couple things that should be included in its contract if the quarterback club were going to do that and could you just close that just so again she has all the information that she can go back to i think it was ensuring that the contract said that the quarterback club was not the owner of the property and i don't know if there was another particular you know i know we're not going to be the owner one i think that's given over to you guys it's given over to you guys that there's you know so the concerns that we have brought forward now my next question is is that if this does move for would really like to know where we stand by the next meeting because we were really if we're going to move for with this we want to move forward with this we don't want to you know so if it's a yes or no just yes or no so that we can either stop and say this isn't going any further or hey yes we're going to start hitting fund raising and and hitting on back on itself so that's i just you know if you guys have any concerns by the next meeting you know have them ready and then we'll try to address them all so that more all on the same page but so in my mind i'm thinking it's the title nine issue and there were no we would not have ownership which i knew we were going to have ownership anyways  but it's it's really going to be the judge the juggling act of trying guy or care to figure out what's going to happen and facts are yes let me just add one thing to that it would be it actually would the quarterback's club would not be the one who's actually managing the construction basically what the quarterback's club can do is to make a gift donation to the school board in the school board and accept that but then it would actually be through the school district that the construction and all of that project is actually completed but we can still see what we're not we can still say with the same architect or not you can you can do whatever you want at this point and it's sort of getting back to what this is anderson's point was so for example you have plans right now that say this is what we want and it's all one hundred percent male driven or planned for it would the school district can accept your plan however the school district at that point would say this is going to give us problems with title nonwhite so we understand what it is that you want to do but we cannot build those the way that you want to build it will receive your money and then will we do what we can to actually effect what your what your goal was but we have to sort of do it within the limits of  by the next meeting do do i need to return for the next meeting ted answer or are you guys going to vote or well i mean i know not tonight but for the next meeting shy come back and be ready for questions or will you have a yes or no dr french yes now i don't know what i think is good language for mr guy or to put it before drafts of the language you put on for the twentieth that would allow you to know whether or not you should move forward ok all right to we would be voting on whether we agree to allow the quarterback to proceed with this eschewed me but this is that can happen because if we say you know we in principle agree we don't have a scope of work we don't have a scope of donation and so i don't see that we have something to vote on unfortunately as i see it and correct me if i'm wrong or solicitor we are really  precarious position in the sense that they either have to spend the money with architect and come to us and say this is our offer or not i mean because we really can't say to you yes in theory i'd love to i'd love to say yes in theory but we don't have the legal right to say yes in theory to anything because if we say yes in theory then we're going to things that we really don't know i know and i hold in scope and i think it's a very difficult catch twenty two situation and we don't want the quarterback club to spend money if we're not going to do it but in the same token we can't say yes to something we don't have of complete picture oh ok well that's a very unfortunate situation i need to say something here too because i think the only one on the board of the time was was tom but when title nine was first being developed there was a committee of the board a couple of us were on it and we went to all the meetings concerning title nine i went to many many many meetings so this current board doesn't doesn't know that background of title nine i have to say this board member is very happy with child line and i don't forsee it as a problem is specially after going through all of these meetings on title nine i think it's i can see a lot of issues came up during those meetings bryan and i didn't know you at the time but i'm sure you've you know about all this but there are many issues that we heard about that time the board members that were involved in this so i just want to be able to say that i personally am very happy that thailand exists and i and i think that anything that goes on that field and it sounds like your we can work on this but it has to be used for all children in this in this  school district at the high school if i could just direct your attention to if there's like two takeaways or one takeaway with respect to two policies i would suggest that you just review school district policy there's two of them seven o two which is grants or gifts grants donations as well as nine fifteen which is the boosters for concerts are probably already familiar with what the that is the proverbial lens by which the school district would proceed in this matter ok you agree that there's nothing we can vote on now or do you think that's correct i think it's there's there's not one way for the quarterbacks club to get to where you want to go and as it is right now you can do you can proceed you know however you want to well i'm just going to go back to the quarterback club and let them know what i took away from this and let them know do you want to move forward with this and spend the money and in another month they could be turned down and now we're out money so and put it to a vote and then it's not on my back it would be probably the best way to think about it so i could turn based system so now what move if any is the quarterback it's your clubs it's your clubs move however you want but we kind of know where you guys are coming from that you are pretty much so saying that if we pretty much so make a separate locker room for the girls as well as the boys and  that kind of can move forward with it not respect that's what i'm kind of taking from that but i can't go forward until i spend the money for the other thing so i start getting some actual about nobody really wants to do a timeline on a project in order to effectuate which you want to get done the easiest way would be to go for the whole she bang if you got somebody who would donate the money i know that's unlikely i know that's that's out of the realm but if you come with that kind of a project now you're in compassing everything that needs to be done and it would not be money that was just thrown away because it would affect the way all the students in the district to have you know as you said the bleachers on the visitor side the the press box of all those things and again i'm not saying that that's going to happen but all i'm saying is you know what you should do next there's nothing wrong with soliciting you know those kind of donations and going for with trying to get that done and i would encourage the quarterback club to do that and unfortunately we're going through a building project or not my church and i had to convince my members we have to spend the money upfront to get those architectural drawings to determine how much the project is going to cost i mean a wise man counts as cost before he goes forward and unfortunately you do that and you don't do projects in the business world all the time and i would hate to have it happen but it's really the only way to go forward in this situation i understand that but that's putting a huge i think that's putting a huge burden on the quarterback club and then saying ok we're going to take care of all the district's problems with one small little club when there's ten other clubs boys and girls that aren't willing to give anything well and i will say i can just speak personally for my myself when a club com and says they want to make improvements to district property and if i know that it's going to benefit all students i personally i'm not going to say you know i'm going to vote for i'm going to wait to see what it is but that's the kind of initiative i want and i know for sure that you're a doer so i i think that's a wonderful way of going about it not asking for it and then i would only encourage you i know it's very difficult to get other groups sometimes it's usually best to go alone but if there are other groups out there maybe even just you know feel out a little bit to say it would anybody be you know interested  and doing this it might be it might be helpful man that the other thing is the area that we're talking about encompassing isn't it's not when people think fieldhouse it we're not putting in a field house we're really putting in a locker room in a way where i am and that's pretty much so it's so i think people have these big grand illusions of what's going to be put up there and it's really not a grand illusions is just really a spot it's an area so the same they also have any questions for mayor concerns i have just perhaps one suggestion and it's anecdotal but there's a lot of school districts in and around this area that are doing construction projects and through that i've learned that there are architects that actually have a specialty for lack of a better way to describe it of educational architectural design mr williams is here this evening if you if there's anything if you want to talk architect talk but talk the talk that way and what it was just talking about a girl that was walking around the track of what do you think about putting something there and i don't know much i don't know anything about the architectural field but i do know that there is sort of that category of of consideration that has to go in a kind of plans and you know it's one thing to bear in mind i understand oh i think i think everybody for their time i know you guys are very busy and have a lot of meetings i was actually watching a meeting the other day and i was kind of like terrified about coming up here so but thank you for ah for having me this evening and listening to my plead good evening everybody roll for evil venetia mistress when talk i really appreciate your presentation i did have one question how much are light bulbs for the projectors and about how long do they last depending on the model the light bulb can last  a little under three thousand hours what ends up happening is as you use the light bulbs and as you use the projector the bulbs get down you can usually get close to two years out of that and depending on the model the projector they could you know they