and today we are going to start with the subject of fraternities in america over the past few weeks fraternities have been making headlines in the news and for all the wrong reasons it recently kicked off with the university of oklahoma video that was recorded on a frappe bus so the back story of this video is that there are a bunch of fat kids all of us they were all traveling to some party and they started chanting you know negroes will join in this for turkey but they didn't use the word negro to use more offensive terms and it really just became huge on the internet it sparked outrage among so many people rights groups all of that in the for the college so it was just an immediate thing but the questions were asked is was this something that was worthy of that kind of a punishment was that something that extreme or was that an appropriate response  are they allowed to go there as well i think some they were expelled yes which i don't really understand how they could expel them for this i mean what they said was awful and should be reprimanded but i don't understand how they can be suspended for expressing what they believe whether it's their wrong opinion i don't know whether that's the thing but there's that i think the context was it was just an inappropriate manner it was a very  this return and it doesn't have very minor minorities in the fraternity to begin with and so it was more of a just ridiculous and inappropriate time to say i think people have the right to express their opinion but i think that has a limit on top of that on the butt like in the video they were only chanting that people of color won't join the fraternity they were also saying they would physically harm people of color so i think that's probably why they got suspended right but i didn't know that more so than the actual act of it because threatening violence is obviously completely different than just yes rejecting kids from joining well and there's also the fact that they were representing the school you know they're using the school's name in this return to they're u sing it in the it's putting a bad look on the school and the oklahoma university is not one that they don't want to have this kind of reputation of being known so i kind of think that's why they took that swift response so quick and immediate  but the university of oklahoma is not the only fraternity that's been in the news we've also seen events with penn state recently we found that and state is having a fraternity that has been suspended it was caught a member confessed and said that there was a facebook page being dedicated to these people and they were posting these nude photos of girls that were unconscious and just not even aware that these are these and so it was just creating this ridiculous environment and these people were thinking it was ok and it raises the question what makes people think that this is this is an acceptable thing to be doing this at the alcohol is that the party this is the college environment i mean i think it is basically the college because once you get to college you're like oh there's no parental supervision like i can do whatever i want and then you see like you see all these fraternities like completely like having widespread and these people are using it so much and so we're seeing more and more events and is this is i mean the oklahoma video was recorded put on you tube and instantly seen by millions the facebook page was again released by someone but is this a common thing amongst other fronts i mean we hear horror stories of hazing and other events happening at college are there more out there that are equally as bad or even most but they're just not getting out and i don't think it's just necessarily for us either i think it's the whole like you said called an environment that creates this they the kids believe they're there have they're there to have a good time you know they're there to get an education so whether they actually get that education in the process of paying thousands of dollars a year that's up to them and you know i just can't imagine if that was a relative or something they don't have enough and these people were and they had no idea i don't even know if they knew the page existed in the first place if you're passed out at a party i think you're also part of the problem because no one forced you to no i'm saying if they took it do we know about it if any of these girls were under age or anything like that i'd imagine somewhere because that poses a completely different question because those girls shouldn't have even been at the party if they knew alcohol was going to be there they knew they would be pressured into this ok but don't act like college sounds like the only people i go to parties in college are people of the age of above twenty one know about what an ugly kids get excited about college when they should be it's the law but do people really abide by it they should go but that doesn't mean that it's still illegal yeah but it's if they are under the age maybe the girls are even under the age of eighteen that could be child pornography exactly still illegal yes it still is illegal so why would you go if it were because of security under eighteen you're going to a college party with probably twenty two year old guys twenty three maybe you don't see a but at the same time i don't think it's it should be entirely their fault for the fact that they want to take i really as all of you know it's i would say it's their fault for putting themselves in that situation but maybe they thought other friends were going thought it would be a comfortable situation maybe they didn't maybe they looked away something and they're trying to or what if it was over well like they wouldn't this is also true and we're also not as smart as you break this or not all is well rounded and we don't all think and i think it's you know again like we've been talking about this with college mentality you go to these parties to have a good time and then you end up on just it's just also where is the like you say the girls have like they should know better than to like go to the  for the first half of the show we've been seeing university of virginia just the police report was just released saying that there is no evidence that there was indeed a rape involved in a gang related or a gang rape involved at the fraternity party there was a point reports of this girl saying that she was at this frat party and she was just attacked by a bunch of guys and there's been evidence saying that there was a frat party on the date of the event and it's just been a whole mess  and we're finding ourselves again with a similar story these all have a similar theme of being almost at the wrong place at the wrong time and saying stupid things and i mean we're all going to college here next year and it's kind of like an awakening call when we see this stuff happening like is this going to happen to us we don't think it well i doubt these people think it's going to happen to them either but you know it's a matter of how do you find yourselves in this situation how do you is it your friends is it the norm is it  i don't know what is it it's just the i don't know it's not like you're not going to go into a party and like the first thing you think it's like i'm going to get raped and both small what you're thinking but i think the fact is you have to be aware of all of your surroundings like greg said you can't be stupid which is kind of unfortunate for both parties but at the same time to keep yourself out of danger it shouldn't have to be that way but it is well it's always difficult with all these cases first released i don't personally like i read it that night and it was a wordy oracle and i was like this is good for girls that are afraid to like that have been raped that are afraid to stand out and say i was raped this did happen to me that like are afraid of the person that did rape so i think in that sense it was good that that this article was published but then as soon as they said it was false now all those girls are going to go back to being afraid of coming out and saying what happened which obviously is not a good thing because it's going to keep happening then rather than something actually doing to stop it and i'm sure some of them still believe this girl that this happened to her and now that it's being shoved under the rug but based on the factual evidence there it will lack of there of actually this girl did was just seeking attention so that's well like you said lack there of like it could have happened maybe not as extreme as what did happen but she could have gotten raped but the fact that she didn't have medical evidence isn't immediately so there is nothing for her to  theory i just can't ever imagine being in a situation where i would want to create the story that's that's that's why i believe her you know but it's just all this evidence pointing against her it's just hard to make it a real story  and how they said there was no evidence of a frat party being that it happened it could be just like a party say like somebody's house that they rented out to the university or something and there were frat members medical evidence exactly so i don't understand why you're saying that they would just they would like sort of doctor this report just to protect the university i don't think they are trying to do it just to protect the university but i'm sure the university and the fraternity have got out of their way to even if it did or did not happen to cover up every piece of evidence that it could have stu proved that it did not happen so going on the topic of partying there is one more opportunity story the university of michigan fraternity just got in trouble they were just being idiots i don't know what discussion we can get out of this but it just related to the theme they went to a ski lodge completely destroyed the place i mean it was trashed millions of dollars in damage and then they didn't fessed up to it they just kind of left and so the university of michigan is i think that pratt was also suspended in the members were in trouble obviously but it's just you know we're going to have to is the media just pushing out these stories because that's the thing to do right now and we've seen that before in the past with other news stories it's a common thing you know every time a plane crashes you hear about all the other similar plane crashes for the next three months and i guess like in the media is putting a microscope under these stories so i get the big picture what is the culture here a college what is the how do kids learn what is right from wrong how do kids learn they're in a dangerous situation how do they know like are there signs they can see is there  places if they can go instead of you know with a party like you always say there's so much to do in college so what else can to do i mean like so that they don't find themselves in these situations hit the books  degree yeah make the education that would be it i would say these kids were just they were being idiots like you said there was no reason for the kind of destruction that they caused whatsoever maybe a tornado actually but they're not a tornado i also think the media doesn't cover frats and sororities entirely in the way that they showed like fraternities and sororities are meant to dedicate themselves to community service and character do a good job because the mentor believed in my potential is why i am where i am today i'm swimming faster than i ever dreamed i  lead my high school team to two championships i am a valuable employee i have a career that i am passionate about and what can you do  like all young people with disabilities should grow expecting to work and succeed for more information visit what can you do campaign dot org cool sure make our lives easy but a tool is only as useful as the hand that holds it when 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going back to school at american university of nigeria where they are under the constant threat of retaliation so recently there were a bunch of girls that were kidnapped by the terrorist organization bokhara a few of them jumped out of the vehicle they were captured in and ran back to freedom or not necessarily freedom but as much freedom as they have and because of this they were granted scholarships to go back to school at the american university of nigeria now for us being kids that go to school every single day a lot of us skip school because we don't enjoy it that much how far would you go if you were in the situation of these girls to start learning again if i will is very difficult to compare the two because we've this is all we've ever known we have never been forced to go to a school in africa in the middle east we don't know what it's like so i'm sure if that situation was presented to me and that was all that i knew but i still knew that how how education is valued in the developed world i would say i wouldn't i would do the same thing the girls that live i think you have a story you went to haiti this past winter and i know exactly what education looks like a miserable country led astray tell us i mean i like with that said i don't think we have the perception of schools given to us for free we have to go it's a law there's no threat of a terrorist organization i mean there might be a price ripple in the fire alarm but that's that's really the threats we have here there's no threat of a terrorist  hundred what is what is the perception what is the value of that wealth from what i took away from everything being there and helping tutoring the kids was that we look at education as this is going to get us farther in life whereas they've had value education as this is going to help me grow as a person i've like they have a much stronger worth ethic than we do here there's kids that are our age that are only learning adding and subtracting next numbers and yet they fight every day with themselves just to keep learning and to keep getting better where is i've personally and i'm sure the rest of us even a senior especially a seniors we just give up and we are don't want to learn something and we find loopholes to maintain our grades and i think it shows that we appreciate our education as much as other people who are not guaranteed it's almost what you said it's like a gift almost to get an education in these countries i mean obviously with the girls you know escaping they're so happy to be back to school  and you know it's taught that the girls don't go to school in these countries they stay at home and they help their mothers but the men is this idea or the only one that does or deserve an education so you know the appreciation value is definitely there but here you know it's like our culture you wake up in the morning you go to school you know you want to get a job some days you're going to go to college or you can go right into the workforce right out of college or right out of high school rather you can join the military i mean there's so many options available what are the options for these kids when they get an education this is this the world at their fingertips what is what is available out there to them you know that's a good point like to play devil's advocate advocate like when these girls like get an education like what can they do with that because i mean is their culture just completely male dominant so they're not even given the opportunity to like get a job or a print like help their families or are they going to just be forced to help their mothers like i have is a word that has to be to like to gain knowledge and to like help themselves get better but is that going to do anything else for them or is a just for like that self satisfaction education is an escape from anything and everything you can rise from nothing to everything because of education and education alone with these girls they can lift themselves out of poverty they can lift their families out of poverty if they create a new idea they create a new way to purify water more affected his going to who's going to give them that opportunity that's the themselves well that's the thing with education they can create it for themselves they work together it's progressive the fact that they are finally being able to learn and to grow as individuals rather than being stuck at home doing housework which is how it's i'm sure their dreams and aspirations are a big carrier of you know wanting to be more wanting to i'm sure they would like to leave some of them would probably love to leave their own country and go somewhere where there is more of an opportunity cost money because you know where do you get the money from at the same time though i think a lot of the girls take pride in where they come from and they want to i think where they are and where that a better better better what they have to like to improve so that future generations can not live in the same kind of conditions that they grew up in so what would you be willing to risk for an education i mean again try try it's hard to do but like if you were to put yourself in that perspective you know what is is it that you're going for and those are what are you willing i mean we're risking our debt i mean we're going to be put in so much debt will he go to college  but forget about that forget about money think about what his education mean to you and what would you be willing to risk to think how far you've come how much you've learned in school well you'd be willing to risk to learn that it's hard to put yourself in and those shows but i don't know i think that if i if i had the opportunity to go to school even though people were oppressing me and saying like oh you're not allowed to go to school like you shouldn't be allowed