have a dollar sign or a dollar amount anywhere in your brief when you appeal or when anybody feels a case of this court or to the supreme court such that we are supposed to be able to aim for still your perspective a frame of reference such that whatever work of the commission decided failure to submit alternate routes and alternatives for the they didn't they are relying on statutory exception that could cause exception for feeling to identify alternate routes through this area had they submit it would be something that would be considered by the parties at the outset of the proceeding and then there would be the commission decide whether or not there was a tax the least cost me but it's the fact that com terminology so speak but if this is a case of first impression i'm having a problem conceptualizing how a term of art which is supposed to be of a word usually a no has a definite specific and usually narrow meaning within a particular field such as will bloggers well i think it means it has to be a leader with sufficient cause them i think i do agree with your point that that does have to be cause standard but before i get to that i'd like to tell you what's not in to speak here what's not in dispute is that this morning is necessary to save customers hundreds of millions of dollars that they're paid in excess of what they should be pa the project is necessary to provide adequate the official service or that would be crucial liability well it certainly wasn't necessary to improve reliability there's no question about that your honor i think they just missed the boat and i think the evidence in the case i the question for this court is whether the i c c is conclusion that qana didn't destabilisation alternative route at twelve miles is is is supported by substantial evidence and i got to tell you i think the evidence is overwhelming going to drive the course attention to the direct testimony literally scoured every publicly available piece of information and private databases to get all the ladies data in the entire seven hundred square miles of the study area there could not have been more information that they started with that information summarized in a fifty page baseline resource core report that begins a page a one fourteen the next step is they compiled all that information into a web trying database called the g i s database and what's interesting about that as it allows multiple layers of information to be analyzed the next thing to do is categorize that data into two major categories opportunit and sensitivities the opportunities are those main features that are that would be compatible with the transmission line like a real roads major highway sensitivities or things that might necessarily enough be that compatible nine you can see there is a composite of all the opportunities and sensitivities the opportunities are those green segments those are around opportunities over route alternatives that's what they started with there are literally hundreds of  removed so they had to have a way to do the systematically that resulted in what's that figure of six the remaining opportunities and you can see if you go to the right of that graph there are still many route segments in the east they didn't ignore their information the next thing they did is is they they didn't they introduce the quantitative analysis and by that meaning they literally took individual segments and compare them to other individual is that there would be some reasonable investigation done by them to leave at the outset it would have been easy for us to say there's an alternate route and draw lines on a map to a subdivision it would be meaningful to anybody would waste everybody's time so the way we look at the statute is it requires us to do what was a ten month study before we filed the case all of the information was in the original file and we thought the commission's guy has something to logically rely on so we have not side cite an expert that doesn't screw up with they come in and they say well we've got this methodical procedure that we use that allows us to winnow down what is hundreds if not thousands of opportunities in a huge area to get down to the final rounds and so in my view it has to be principle there has to be a reason behind it and that's what the study lays out and those opportunities were there elton could have asked us questions about move we ended up with four alternate routes it would've been very easy for us to say here's an alternate route but the the study was applied consistently across the whole seven hundred square miles and so i think the study itself the costs and i think you know the statute doesn't contemplate identifying an alternate route underground because think about how to eliminate underground routes and it's almost virtually impossible and i am not sure there is a boy to whine i think this is it is mr burnett a good case of first impression and it's or somewhere or they co exist and they come out and separate someplace else and if you have to alternate routes that look like a b then any point on either line is not on the other line except where you are where they meet however if it's a walk somewhere down the line to point the points on those two lines that are one on top of the other so to speak are identical what is the formula if there is one as to where the alternate route should be either ninety percent eighty percent seventy fifty forty in other words is it supposed to be of the e or is