things i i'm made a little statement that i could we get after hearing a plea from my mother to support the change of trick or treating for this yeah to saturday the entire blood felt it was a that vote would be so controversial i thank you all for your phone calls of concern many of the callers one upset because of the date change but because of the way it was handled and handled in that others who may have been in  displeasure didn't have a chance to voice their opinion in hindsight perhaps we should have asked it to be on this week's agenda but i honestly felt that it was the right choice and never imagined that folks would not agree to err on the side of caution up because i was thinking about that i'm going have my lights out on sunday because i was going to come you know about you know i mean did you call ahead because you know i figure what does everyone think of this because if we i would like to as leaders encourage having it just on saturday because if it leaks over into sunday i think we're going to really defeat our purpose which is to you know not have kids out on that street so i mean i'd encourage you not to have the light on sunday and that well you know really very strongly so the only the only my only concern again would be safety that if if folks are out and about that it's going to be back and without lights you know this post is around i think people have seen them and go i think people get it now yeah i'm just you know like i said i'm just concerned that you know if they're out trick or treaters out there on sunday night that they're so you know as i'm learning most of the people that do call are in the negative people usually don't call up to say you doing a great job so what i've been telling the people is it's going to happen on saturday because it's a safety issue if you can take that energy in rather than going out sunday despite people or you know i could yeah be ambivalent to it to show we can do it yeah just focus on trying to get the word out i mean it's everyone's going to know it anyways but you know focus on here and doing the right thing on saturday and hopefully you know gives parts as difficult as one of the e mails we got i think everybody got from a parent that said i'm responsible for my own children's safety and what i said to the parents is that i really i respect that but that as members of the board of selectmen we have a responsibility as well and it's our job to ensure the safety of the children and god for did just one child were to be injured on saturday night and i just say well wasn't our fault going came on sunday i mean we had a responsibility and we know how many folks going to be in town and we know all those things and i think is as as was said we wanted to be conservative and err on the side of being conservative as i said the one parent that asked me if this was legal i said well i don't think we can legally change any holiday i said but what we're trying to do is to alert parents that we'd like to move it to saturday for safety purposes and you may live on a side of town where you don't see any traffic but we're responsible for the entire town and all the roads and to be safe we thought it made sense and i said you know maybe we should have taken it under advisement and maybe we should have had it this week but my view would have still been the same when there's doubt regarding safety or security we have to err in that in that site and so therefore it makes more sense to have it on a sad it's not a school night either and it's a so there's that it's it just made sense and i'm sorry that it caused such a controversy and i'm sorry that it caught on like like it did but it is al amin it's you know it's not when i change in christmas it's halloween it's sad the night it's going to be instead of sunday there won't be that the problem with the football game in the drivers and all that kind of stuff and i hope that in the end people will see that it was a good decision and and supported you know i agree with and i think all the negative e mails that i got to really speak a lot to the process and that we just didn't give people the opportunity to be heard you know people want to have that choice and so i've responded  you know obviously this is your choice the reason was for safety that we are suggesting saturday but certainly you know you can do what you want to work for your family you can do and so i plan on having my broom polished know also i mean we just had citizen input nobody came for anything we may sometimes it's good but you know this is just you know the schedule been set since what may june you know shame us for not doing something earlier but all the people that came up and said oh you should have done this you should have kept it on sunday and that extra police you know don't you know nobody did anything in writing that the group one group came to us and it thankfully that they did and hopefully know it's not going to happen again i think on hollowing but if more people would come and ask earlier i think we'd be better off you know probably happening twenty thirty years but i don't  meeting room town hall forty celsius foxborough mass on october twelfth two thousand and ten at seven o five upon the application of t c g new jersey inc one fifty seven green street foxborough mass for permission to install one fiber optic cable on existing utility pole and underground conduit system for the telecommunications services upon a long across or under the following public ways in foxborough green street and hampshire street interest party interested parties are hampshire street which is covidien it's an existing customer eighteen tees the service that we're providing the comedian to provides a diverse pathway for them for their existing fiber optic network right now they're they're riding on a fiber optic cable that ends on west street and if anything catastrophic would happen to that pole on the corner of west great covidien the customer would go down hard did lose service so eighteenth he has given the monies for us to construct a new pathway coming off of green street where eight hundred eighty has there they call the notice on one fifty seven green street we're going to construct a pathway at the corner of green and hampshire underground through fox once we get from the foxboro town line to the corner of green street that's when we'll attach the poles to sixty five over one x and then we'll take our existing facilities over to the one fifty seven green she location  so i'm here tonight to get your approval for us to construct a dock bank in the right away well place for empty conduits for any conduit in that dark bank and will occupy want of them with one fib optic cable that'll provide the service from one fifty seven green the two one hundred hampshire all restoration specifications are going to be coordinated through the d p w office for their guidelines we strictly followed the yeah you know the town has worked over the last couple of years and the right away by law you know you know this granting of process this is probably a response not particularly to what you're applying for but the process of how are you going to get it read into the by law it says the applicant comes in front of the town and says what they want excess capacity where it's going and then it goes throughout our boards and we're supposed to be getting written recommendations from the planning board the building department highway there's nothing in the packet that says anyone's even looked at this and gave their recommendations another by law says we need to base our approval or denial but in this case is most likely approval on the review of all our boards and we don't have anything and again this is not you it's not a process it's relatively new with the new bylaws what i want to avoid is a next person that comes in and does something that we made that might not be as palatable if we don't ask for the stuff they're going to say wait and ask for it in the last time and i know there's a lot of people who work hard in this violence and i think we've got one sentence from bill passed bera but nothing from anybody else so it ma contract goes through robert swanson's office and gets all these permits and well i would suggest and my my bet my absolute time frame is obviously before the snow flies yeah i watched the november fifteenth comes up i'm not go the planning board look at it to say he sees these pieces rishi reviewed it back in june my site plan and was ready to move forward with for approval and then just as we were getting ready to get to that process that's when process with them and unfortunately he's been out so we couldn't get anything in writing we did send a memo over there so we didn't get anything in writing i did talk to here today he doesn't see any issues with it he'll be bringing forward the board would find so suggestion in as much as what the board really wants is to be sure that the bylaws executed in the future with the board accept approving us on a contingent basis on the form that we do circulate it to those boards or whatever whoever is indicated and provided they give their favorable recommendation and we would not issue the permit until  federal recommendation is given that we would seek it very quickly twenty four to forty basically that the board then approves it on that contingency prior to the next application being filed rules work to ensure that the bylaw whatever review is supposed to happen we develop some sort of a process to be sure that it happens ok and that way nothing is going to happen without the approvals that you want but at the same time we're not going to need to wait two weeks which could be especially with the went to the last thing i want to do is hold you up to date can i just make a suggestion one step further in the by law the applicants responsible for and we just got the email plans a few hours ago but naresh another benefit and  extra capacity and where it's going to go so if you can meet the requirements of here i can i can email or service yeah that looks like what is here so i don't think we've got any time so i think that's a good idea one thing i just want to be sure the board was a word in the event  say that while they will provide an electronic copy of the bylaw that they believe they're exempt from that section on eleven it would have helped me if when they claimed that they were exempt from compliance i saw it just that you know i don't know whether they're right or the wrong but if a town council looked at it he would tell you no tell us they're right or the wrong and if they're right here's what we should do and if they're wrong he should have been a letter back to them saying here's why you're wrong and here's the steps you need to make and since the letter was sent six weeks ago they would and the d p w directionally been off for a few weeks we could have avoided this six weeks ago if there were some better coordinated i do so on that point in town council i thought i read that he had responded back that i didn't see it in here but i my little son might have a look maybe i got it in the mail so this is something that we're going to deal with every time a public utility comes they're going to say they're not exempt we're going to say we're exempt and i think you taking the position that you're exempt entities for some reason do not approve of this i want to i want to reassure the board that it will not issue and it will come back to you right now if there is some modification and they come up with it has to be met and and reason why we've come here when i became tucker started learning a little bit more about historical records that we have and town and you know finding out what other towns do to protect their records and  started talking with jack about you know possible ways of generating funds or raising funds to meet the needs of the town and we've added a few things back and forth and jack came up with a plan that he'd like to present to preservation the history has been that we wait five six years to lose enough money in there and then we take two or three books over to a binder for repair and i just wanted to show you one book that we've had done in the past just so you can see what what they actually do so this this is an index for births from the early one nine hundred and actually eight hundred fifty five to eight hundred ninety seven and they actually take the records and you can see that some of the edges are starting to fall apart on the book they repair those they d acidify the paper which is the biggest problem with paper and it causes the do the destruction of the paper and you know the the cost of something like this would be a thousand dollars to repair this one book if this book wasn't repaired all of this information would be lost forever so i have a series of books just at my disposal that we have in the different vaults sandra had several that she discovered recently one of her vaults it's not a show you this book this is some select means meeting minutes and there from eight hundred ninety eight you can see the condition of this book it's got some mold in stuff growing on the paper the papers falling so she got a quote to repair some of those books she had five or six volumes there and the total cost just to conserve the books was over eight thousand dollars they also will do a film of the book the thirty five millimeter security film or they would scan it to cd so there's additional cost involved with that at this stage of the game with the monies that i'm able to put in reserve every year there's no real chance to scan them to cd or anything like that to just get the the book preserved so that we have disposal and so it's a concern so at this point i'll let jack explain what what he had in mind well because several books have been done over the years when recruitments was town clerk every time she could cobble together enough money but she would go as far as she could but the point is if we do nothing these records are gone i mean it's a matter of time but just the decay of the paper the whatever they're gone so what can we do there's a lot of catching up to do and we can't begin to keep pace with the backlog where we're  just never going to get caught up to write we're going what i was hoping we could do would be to make or an unusual commitment perhaps of the next town meeting to a sum of money that w give us a lump sum to work with on preservation but then if we could build into that something like a small percentage of any betterment funds you know one have a one percent or something of bit would go toward historic preservation so that we could we could gain and eventually be caught up and stay current one of the other benefits a d d coating of the paper and those things would preserve what we have if in the process we could also have unit there's no need to have the traffic in and out of this park some of these records get a lot of traffic from the public it's surprising and that would books and your go along page by page and one day you turn the page and you had drops because as a new town clerk and the handwriting is terrible you have to start all over again but but there is such a tremendous tremendous absent to have and they they are so helpful to us in understanding i think a lot of people thought a lot of our records were lost in the townhouse fire of one thousand nine hundred when it says that we lost nothing because three years earlier they had the expanded the capacity of their safe and they put everything away every night and when i started writing the german off i cannae book i could tell i was i was seeing stuff that really interesting since had not visited be these are these are true treasures i think we have a big town responsibility and i was just trying to think of a way through number one get enough money to get started but then replenish system keep a would need to get started well just you know we got a month multiply up the number of books and i'm not sure you're not going to want to go down in one in one tribe but i mean if if we could get ten to fifteen thousand dollars set aside as a starter so that we could start getting some some things o'toole deep into the companies or do this and then in the meantime if we could start talking of the little tidbits out of the betterment friends into  donation or sponsor a book or if there are things that we can work on to you know also add to the fund but we need a starting point and that it would just be difficult to expect the public to do the whole thing gets it's a town responsibility and if they want to help it would be a bonus but and it would be an ace nation memorial donation in quite a few instances people would like to be remembered that way  but i just think too once people realize what we're facing and they understand there is a way they can that they could help they can be surprising sometimes  not you had a huge benefactor command with a big donation that you wouldn't get very far very fast so i did talk to him about setting up a separate fund and we were able to do that and it's just a corner things like that so that was negotiated into the contract so everybody knows on the way in this is going to set aside limited legitimately worked out with zoning permit as part of the covenant should say and generally speaking those sorts of gifts are reserved for purposes that are somehow connected and it might be expanse of the thing you know historic record preservation i'm not sure that would work the other way to do it as you start right gifts with civic minded people offer and sometimes those civic minded people pick any one of the number of occasions and sometimes developers can be very civic minded and do wonderfully generous things and that's a possibility but i've got another idea that i'd like the opportunity to sit with jack and bob and randy to discuss because there's another way to do this in some towns of made very good use of and it's resulted in a dedicated annual revenue stream with numbers easily in the range that you that you talked about and not just a one time thing but an annual revenue stream with a voice commission i'd like to explore that with them and we can do that as early as tomorrow with everybody's elbel and if that ends up we have had projects in the past where it total private subscription but it was more reasonable amounts of money that we were looking at that this just gets a little heavy on this this is i mean this is just critical this is the legacy of the past and you know the the board of trustees of the library going to shoot me but we just spent a lot of money on the library program that's going to go forward it's going up for bid now in the constructions it's going to start next year we also have a town hall that is going out to bid to start looking at schematics for what do we do with this building would it make sense to talk to the people at the library now to say we've got three vaults you've got to do something if you can get this some room in the schematic design efforts of the library to put it in there where it's going to be climate controlled is going to be a sprinkler system a lot better than what may be here if you can work out the security it's a public library in a public town hall and they want to bring that that way there's an interim something when you can move things  serve responsible for their condition and use some of the other records maybe not as much but and they would benefit from a climate can controlled environment and that's part of the problem with some of the documents although you know the vault downstairs seems to stay pretty dry but you know some towns say they have some real problems with young children by and it's just a suggest the library's plan for the next twenty years gross of judges a little room for the next couple of years perhaps i should make a disclaimer here because if we ever give you standards well researchers like me one have to leave home  but that is the wave of the future anyway so i was at a conference last couple weeks ago and one of the topics was on the national archives and a lot of what they're doing is already on disk and you can access it from home on your computer and you know some of the vital records won't be able to be retrieved that way but you know some of the other records you know you'll be able look at them from your own computer so hopefully that you know that will be there now and then maybe the next ten years or so we'll be able to do that years of news from seventeen ninety six to nineteen fifty five she just took a breather and that gave us time to do something else so one hundred fifty nine years and knows twenty years of research one thousand seven hundred particularly veterans graves and some of these graves some of these veterans graves are now nothing more than two three four pieces of slate the stone is so deteriorated destroyed whatever  i had started to work on something that would eventually let us mark that grave in some other way so that your door was we known as a veterans great but in a conversation with our director a veteran services we got on a little bit different track he contacted the v a that enabled us to get a much deeper into v a programs and we're going to be able to announce on veterans day a v a program that will step in there is just a few of these individuals i think we might be just a little bit short on documentation they've you know they've got this whole series of things and the information is available we just might have fee human there too to get over some records released but for the most part we have everything we need but but most of all we're going to be able to get to john right now what we would do is prioritize the gravestones that are in the  and start the get six or eight of those in the works and then just have an ongoing program to work for the v a so this was just such a relief to know that such a program existed and that we qualified and that we dollars to get started you would refuse it and i would give you a new definition of a slip second so maybe frank in as he writes the story can absolutely maybe business owners or individuals in town that is so into historical documents that they might be willing to come forward and you know just to that robert's funeral home would have that kind of information available and if a family had a strong historical ties to the community and one of their to look that over the long weekend i don't know hopefully and trying to give you a little background in history of what has transpired and if you have any questions about that you know i'd like to hear them and for well since two thousand and four now the monument has been at the library the it's seven years and we knew at the time that that we were going to have to move it and we were hoping that the library edition would be approved and when it was i started thinking that i have to make you know i've had it end up doing this because the committee worked very hard and it was difficult at the end very difficult but i think it's a worthy project and we do have the results of it now i even have a picture of a young man i want to take some pictures of it it's in the in the back of the library and i just took up he really got out of his car instead of playing with his mother the library he ran over there and i took a picture of him so you could see the size of a person i got it i'm only my camera here because i'm not very technical and didn't get printed don't even want to see that it's not that large of the little boy sitting on the corner here and you know his feet could touch the ground so as i say seven years over there and this is the worst time in the world for me to come to you because i've always dreamed that perhaps maybe the town hall might be a place and i've known for a long time this should have been dealt with i think so years ago and it wasn't and i just you know was waiting and waiting and waiting and so what unfortunately i have the most fun popular time to come to you about trying to make some decisions about the monument bench as i said i hope that might be a possibility of it being you know some place a town hall where people came here and that they might see it and it certainly gets visibility here anywhere in the ram town hall you know and i know that you can't really make a decision so before anything else i've asked you that you know take that that on but before you even do that if you'd like to put that off i'm going to ask if there might be a possibility of looking for a temporary place for it and i was going to suggest the lawn front lawn where you had a big tree taken down this year i think that was a diseased tree out front town hall or the common town hall town hall down all the common is not a possibility at this time of the storable commission and jack off what i've already decided that and so looking for another place that has excellent visibility that people could enjoy it and  lots to read on there and i have actually if you wanted to take with you i have one for each member of what's on each side if you want to look at it again just to make sure it's something you're happy with and and that you think is appropriate and like to give that to you anyway so i'm going to leave you five copies here are six copies i think i have one two three four five copies of this and i could get one more for the town manager if you want so you'd have that but so today tonight i'm just asking if there's a possibility perhaps allowing the  monument plate to be placed somewhere on the grounds here that might not be interfering bought the point is we have funds and there are funds adequate funds to move it to move it again and to do pay for landscaping or happen that it needs footings but nothing else and i'm going to offer it to the library to remove the footings that are there so they don't have any extra work as well so that's all that needs it needs concrete footing so it's it's a you know heavy right doesn't take up well it's five foot six six so it doesn't you know take it much more than my my arm's reach  anyway it was a thought but just personally i think once i've seen this and where it's been and how it is it enjoyed that it would be ideal to have someplace that had this ability that people actually a good time to talk to us i don't see why it's a bad i think you know for memorial day i would support that i mean you know it's kind of you know might be a bit rash to say that right now but i mean in theory i don't see why it wouldn't be a great addition to town hall i do think though that it's probably a decision for the town manager since doesn't manage to control the property and you know the manager might go with you know what are you know what the board thinks is a good idea but you know so anyway just wanted thought that i think it's kind of manager decision i think we have one so you know right but i it's a beautiful memorial and you know i don't know if it really gets a whole bunch i know not you know we have a pretty you know smart town they like to read but not everyone gets to the library so you know might get some good visibility here in town hall so just my own view i would recommend to kevin that it's a great idea joan and i had talked about just the whole timing that we're just starting the process of you know looking at intel home renovation and the fact that she has flexibility of relocating it again if there is the need around any potential but i mean i personally i always thought that it blinds either at the library i hear myself so i mean i'd be to be relocated here absolutely i don't see why not the monument itself obviously is not historic the information on it is because no issues with moving it any issues with putting in their town hall you're just playing devil's advocate i don't see the downside i would want it to be handicapped accessible to make sure everyone can get there so wherever the placement is that's a problem whatever you want to if you want to do anything formally right now i would think maybe you might want to wait on that because you know if it's concrete or something that would be a big expense to dig it all up again i mean at the moment i to be moved by the end of the snow next spring but i'd have to put footings in ahead of time because you're right it wouldn't be the appropriate time to do the footings in the spring i mean you could wait to move it so what they did on the construction plans was just put a circle on it and said to be moved to a certain place if they expend if the money in the budget to set the base and get it already if the library plans could say move it because they're already mobilized it's not a big cost to move it it would be cheaper to have that contract to do it than take the funds because i think that it doesn't have to be moved in till the library's ready to go correct so that will be the first step move it over on the bas that you guys are going to go i can inquire and see but it could be most cost effective because the funds that i have can be used somewhere in this town you know no matter what and eventually when we know that everything's permanent i guess first of all i haven't had any of these with the newtown major yet so i know that when you think about planning an emergency plan you think of one plan well i have to tell you all that we have many different plans in the whole town of foxborough and this is just one small piece of those plans we have you know we have a comprehensive plan that is this big that talks about what we do for shelters and how do we deal with natural and manmade disasters a town has to deal with we have other plans to deal with the health department and doing a dispensing site this is just another one of those plans that has been in the in the long workings for many years  and there's a few people that need to be commended because this started in two thousand and four and two thousand all the way up to two thousand and seven and we're just now getting to finalize completion that has been approved by me being a massachusetts mergence the management agency the thing that i have to tell you though is that when the metropolitan area planning council got the contract in the grant to provide us this document they were working with folks that are retired like retired fire chief gerry think they need to be commended on this because what this has admitted a geisha unplanned does for the town of far for the benefit areas that need to be improved looking at different catch basins in dams and in different things that they could be impacted by floods or from heavy snows like roof capacities and things but it allows the town to go go after now state federal grants and that's huge especially when looking at emergency management we want to capitalize on any of these these fines that we can get that will as assisting the town and preparing for whatever we might be faced with one of the things i did find as talking to the folks that wrote this is that this is a long time coming and  apologize for that but it took a long time to get it approved because it was many communities that were involved it wasn't just a town of foxborough their goal and hope is that that the the selectmen new folks will prove this so that it can then now allow us in the in the rest of these all these other communities once are all approved to start going after these grants to to actually start focusing our efforts on some of the things that they saw a week for the town i've already looked at their list some of them already been down by the town and by by the highway department in the public works but there's also the opportunity now and once you folks have approved this that we can upgrade that list and work as a community define other areas that might be in need of repair and go after federal and state grants to fix those type of things so on that's a little bit of a synopsis there's a lot of written documents documentation here i know that you guys very looked at it i apologize for its lengthy ability but if you focus your efforts on page forty five forty six and forty seven that's really the meat of this whole document of the dead looks at fox updated is already happening one of the things that i find is that when you look at all hazard planning you've got to have a workable workable plan something that a police chief a fire chief of public works director town manager can physically grab and work from my plan and national was only this thick when i got here the document is bigger than this binder and it when i looked at it it's a lot of federal guidelines and it's a template that's been followed by the commonwealth of massachusetts and i just need to work with me emma to condense that so that i can have a workable plan for all of us here in town and you know for the last year year and a half we've been focusing a lot of our efforts with the health department polly clifford on the dispensing site in how we would deal with any type of health issues and and that's come a long way and it's really looking good well but this is just a different one i kind of hoped for your approval knowing that we have some upgrades that we need to do with it but it really now opens up our opportunities to go out to some assistance from the state in the federal government with grants general arch up to forty second and you know the discussion is just a quick discussion just a follow up and i share this with the earlier this there is a lot of stuff that's outdated because it has been started and right you know what if you could put this on your to first is sorry first is to make sure that the stuff that's in the recommendations section does get put into the c i p so that we can actually fund making these changes those that will go after grants for that we do and the last part is that we put together some sort of a memo an action plan to actually try to accomplish this so we're going to give that a copy that to the board had to be a collaborative effort with a number departments so we were going on that and again our you're absolutely correct i noticed that right away and i did make the calls to the state on that and you know very clearly from their words is that they were hoping that we would approve it knowing that we have to upgrade it already and they strongly recommended that we actually approve it up front and start to say ok this one's already been completed and these are ones that are not mentioned in i absolutely think that proactive planning is good that the best solution to this mitigation plan and unlike the other plans that we still are looking at upgrading the biggest thing is that certain things were decided not to do and things got changed and placed into the people at another and you know ways to accomplish them along the north st carter and there was some money left over mitigation some of those monies went to specific town needs relative to public safety some radio needs and some other things with communication between the stadium police and fire and some some items like that there was still a little over one hundred thousand dollars left and because we had already addressed the pacer north street issue through the p wed we look at other areas that were directly impacted off of north street because of the building a patriot place one of those a large one was cross street so we recently had a long sidewalk with bob swanson so the board had already voted to allocate that last section of money to some grinding and repaving and fixing of the cross street area and  bob swanson agreed to it as well conservation was there just to make sure that any of the drainage matters there's culverts that cross over there that there are still in compliance and they will be damaged or create any other issues so  we're really here tonight to ask you guys for permission to do the street opening so that we can accomplish that one of the things with before that before we reached this final amount of money we'd get one of the thing which kevin's talked about you know we wanted to make sure that everybody was comfortable with the process and will we know the vibes out i talked with the club today his first day back and he asked if if you could vote tonight so we don't have to wait an additional two weeks your next meeting because we expect this to get squared away the next day or so that we don't want to lose this construction for just question getting the procedure inside a beech tree we don't want to make it wider because it makes it go faster so they left that they want to run all the different streets and into sections and i remember them specifically saying across street we don't want to do anything because if we repave it it's a cut through and it goes faster and i remember all the people  cross street saying yeah that makes sense we don't want to touch cross street with all this new paving and in the potential of people going to use it it's going to go fast you can see the change already on the stuff when they do we asked bob as a highway superintendent what what areas of road he needed to do work in his in his mind as as a highway superintendent so we didn't select the road he selected and went yeah i think that he'd already started a large section it is i think that he's identified for some time meeting improve and we're not we're not whining it or anything like that all we're doing is reclaiming and if you went up and took a walk on it you'd see the condition of the road itself is pretty poor it's already being used as a cut throat regardless it's not you know that's like i don't i don't think that so we're not our opinion that it's going to increase sorry that the people don't want more prosperity for all the years with the old state you have suffered considerably and we felt that it was appropriate that the people who have  notifying folks along you know such ways that you don't legally have to but you know it's a matter of manpower you know you should raise a prudent usually it's always been my practice law but as a courtesy usually what we do is have a meeting notify all the voters have a meeting at the start of the project take them through what it is we're going to do so that there where will be inconveniences with respect to close in a row down for paving would be dust and all that sort of stuff in kind of tell him what what we're proposing to do and if it's to search through what's being described we're replacing what's already there than most on and on and on beach street redoing and they did it a year ago and they did it again this time the problem this time for instance was i got a number of people complaining that they started the job and it's kind of like they disappeared and well it turns out that there's three different contractors doing the work and there was never any coordinate so i asked bob i said look at why don't you just put a flyer together and just let everybody know kind of what's going on kind of whether you have publicly you do a flyer because when these things start to stretch out or it's going to start next friday this should just be some way to notify and what bob's generally done in the past is don't have those situations he doesn't want to fly together have some put him in all the all the houses i know he doesn't put them in the mailboxes because that's illegal to put them in the mailboxes and he puts them up in the house but i know he does go to the effort of trying to the difficult part sometimes is his plans were a and then it doesn't work out and then people start to complain that i thought this was going to be done by next tuesday and now it's three weeks later and that kind of thing do we know whether or not that kind of information is something he puts on you know website i don't know the about eighteen months ago the when bob came in front of the advisory committee for the five year moratorium when there's a new pavement  discussion was well if someone has a house and they want to put a gas line in you paved it on monday and they were going to do it on right yeah i remember there is a formal process he's supposed to put it in the paper so many days in advance no one gets stuck on that mor unnecessarily so he may be doing it but that is something that i think i went to the planning board as well for the whole more dunno got it yeah yeah it was but they came in front and so there is a formal process and there's a great going forward there's a great little piece of software cost about three hundred bucks very cheap and you can put it on a website and you can post on the web different projects things that the time is doing and people can voluntarily sign up for updates on that particular project so that's something we could look at going forward we're going to do a project on prostrate we put it on the website we tell people sign up and then somebody does a periodic update and everyone who signed up that update it's of we've use it my views it making them police department for and we've got like three thousand people within a year that signed up for updates incredibly effective communication tool so we can do lots end the reason was it was just a conflict of interest as a as a consultant committee i serve on the audit committee for the town but that we funded our open trust account this past town meeting by taking a million three or something from two other accounts that had  no longer a need for the funds that have been appropriated and they've been sitting there for about six years and so those move there and so the question that i asked the finance director of the time was who knew about those funds and the answer was he did in the town manager did and i said well did the advisory committee know that they were idle funds or did the board of selectmen know and so what i what i asked at the audit committee meeting was that how many other accounts do we have across our many many accounts where money money was set aside for a legitimate reason and for whatever reason it's it was either more than we needed or the reason want to weigh in the money is still sitting there and that we should have a complete list so that not just the finance for the town manager know what that list is but that the board of selectmen the school committee the advisory committee all know where those funds might be and whether it's you know ten dollars or one hundred thousand or whatever it might be because as we look in these tough budget times we were able to take and make a large deposit into the open account by those two accounts and i don't know how many other accounts there might be so the whole purpose of this was really and again we tried to make the point there's no hiding of funds there's nothing inappropriate but you know money gets put away for certain things and sometimes you just don't spend it all and it's there in other cases the reason why you were going to do it one way as it there with these two cases in the million three and so we just wanted to kind of a complete list of that and so that's kind of what that discussion was about  years we we were going to put a proposal together for them asking them to prepare the list so it be their independent review of where they think money is sitting in accounts that you know so you know randy would often obviously interact with them but it would be an independent view and the thinking of the finance the up at the audit committee was that they'd be able to do it very very inexpensively and so randy was going to put together a request for proposal with paul jackson who was the finance manager for the schools the two of them were going to put a proposal gather and ask the public accounting firm to give us a quote for what it would cost to do that and then obviously they would work with the two of them and put a list together for the audit committee then from the audit committee to the rest of us so this was something that was going to be a few questions on that one comment is i think there's a little bit of confusion because i don't think i've got the exact details on the you know money that went in and i don't think was idle for six years i think it was there for a reason and then andy and randy determined that it was no longer necessary and then moved it over to plan or asset have been moved over so when i think you're wrong i think what the issue was that the funds were set aside for legitimate purposes right those legitimate purposes ceased to exist a number of years ago six whatever years ago randy said to me that he uncovered the accounts when he first got here but what they decided is they didn't know what they were going to do with the money and so they they wanted to  wait so it wasn't like you know last spring they made the determination that it was we took a vote that there were no longer necessary for that purpose but in fact the accounts had not had any activity in an extended period of time you know i agree  that i can see where they sat there for six years but i don't think if they sat there six years in that those two fellows were unaware of you know you know we have this found money and i don't think it was retirement and then the state took over and so we didn't need to put that money away workers comp oh it was workers comp and the other one was workers comp i know there were times when you're speaking of the period of time when if you put up money the state would match it and and that all went away they didn't need it for the stated purpose that it was put there and what bothered me was that the impression i had was that the advisory committee was not aware of that the board of selectmen was not aware of it of the scrutiny so all i was saying was that to some reserves for the ones that are going to be paid well some of those reserves can be overstated or understated the auditor is looking at those that may not be materially different again all i'm looking for is the author to commit in tell me where does he where does the firm believe and then we'll get the two finance manages to a pint as well where do they feel as though there could be you know monies that could be used for a different purpose and it's really other departments too like writers who absolutely absolutely we've asked for of the accounts the school the water the sewer the town just to look and you know one of the issues that came up and lorraine knows this because she was the liaison to the school committee but when i got on the school committee we had a lot of revolving accounts that are not been discussed in public and so we made a we made a we went through all the accounts we analyzed the accounts and once a quarter we would do a public you know meeting where we talk about each of the revolving accounts what kind of activity and they had some revolving accounts that had been used for a long time either and it built up hundreds and hundreds of thousands dollars for the balances so what we do in the school committee for instance when we needed to redo all that all the the benches in the auditorium we use the revolving house we started using the revolving accounts for one time kinds of things and so we have the transparency on the revolving accounts in the school don't necessarily have it on all of the what i'll call the general ledger accounts around the town side of the water sewer so it's no you know no one's saying that anybody's done anything wrong or anything appropriate but i just think  would be helpful if we all knew where the cookie jar is right i guess my only point larry drop it is that it just seems somewhat loaded when you say that it's you know you know transparency in because i do think it's it's just open secret and it's kind of arcane and boring accounting deposition credits that that's my point but when you were the chairman of the advisory committee were you aware well you were those two accounts with a million three in there that had no activity and could be redirected to another purpose such as open that would've been four or five years ago i just don't recall in that although i must say that's kind of thing that i can imagine a conversation with really i'm like ok next write when i asked because it's all according to plan but at the audit committee i asked the current i think he's chairman of the of the advisory committee if they get this kind of information if they review this kind of information the answer was no and so again and one of the issues is that it's in the purview  audit committee to be aware of that well you know and so it's that gray areas diffuse responsible so as an example paul the audit committee member made a mention about the fact that well gee if you look as we started to look on some of the accounts again there's hundreds and hundreds of accounts so what we see in the audit report is everything is very you know one account that breaks into fifteen accounts kind of thing but the question was that you know in water and sewer as an example there were some there was a discussion around some funds that are sitting in some accounts there that probably could be redirected to do some other things and so and what i what i said to brian was brian when you're when you're looking at the water and sewer budgets as part of the advisory committee and they're presenting things to you are they presenting their budget or they also first i think to you their accounts and where they might have some money that could cover that project of this project or that economy things around and his answer was no they don't resent that and so all i was trying to say is that  i think that the advisory committee the board of selectmen the school committee should know because you know as is the things get tougher and we may have to go into some of those accounts and say for those for those accounts where the money's no longer necessary let's move it in areas that are necessary whether it's hall renovations or it happens to be a roof leak or whatever it happens to be but i think we as the policymakers need to know as opposed to just having the finance folks know with us you know what that number i don't know what it adds up to i think we should i think what i'm hearing is that the board wants to be sure that if there are revenue sources available particularly in a time like this one or budgets are so constrained you want to be aware of that so that you can fold that into your decision making process during  budget and i just i just want to show you have already had conversation of andy and randy and they've already you know randy's already been thinking about sort of melding some ideas he's gotten ideas i have to produce a more robust document for you in the advisory committee about our revenues and one standard section of that document ironically is this it's appropriation balances from prior years and probably what you're going to which are going to find to foxborough as is typical and i have no reason to think it doesn't is it is going to be a bunch of them and what the c f o is always striving to do is to get the departments to tell him that the purposes for which the money was appropriate is no longer necessary and the departments are always pushing back saying no no no i still need that well you've had it on the books for six years and you haven't done anything with it do you really still need that and so it's always a little bit of a tug of war in the c f o always tom a concierge of tries to be reasonable and you might be seeing a manifestation of that were you know there was some hope that they'd be some activity and then that of not being but standard part of what we will be doing for you is making sure that you're aware of that and if if the auditor can do something real quickly for a very low fee that will just reduce the amount of work that randy i'll need to do to prepare this part of the revenue forecast this year so it will be great but i'm sure having i think i can say with absolute absolute assurance of the board having sat with randi and india at this point that  side there's only one time the state that's funded opened up wellesley and they did it with a bond issue and an override believe it or not and is probably only five places on the planet that could do it and wells a little one of them  but there are less than five towns in the state other than wellesley that have even begun funding all peb and i can't wait to call the c f o and hang him in the morning and tell him fudge bowls got more and it's  we asked this last time what's a constable do they can do lots of things for you and generally speaking by virtue of you point of them they do it for free we will occasionally have different kinds of civil process that needs to be served tom meeting warrants have to be posted and that's a that's a usually the biological saying if it's solid the statute will say posted by a constable and that's if you don't work this deal out we're going to give you an appointment which is a very lucrative appointment by the way it's financially worth a great deal but a condition of that is you're going to serve our civil process for free of the civil process you might need served any kind of a legal notice where we want to return a service as proof that it was delivered in hand and i do a lot of that i was saying of course of your i'll do that ten or twenty times for a variety of notices not registered mail because that goes through the mail and people of course refuse to go get it little different thing when the constable shows up at your door and says i've got this you're served and then he returned it saying body was served so they can do lots for you so anyone who we approve is constable presumably week chemical it's a long as you make that part of the condition of the other point on that before we will so notify them and i've never once found a constable who found it in any way objectionable you probably get a list of three or four or five constables you point out and we wouldn't tap one of them to do all this would rotate the work among them and it's not really a big didn't so in that case kevin we we won't necessarily want to make this contingent upon what we just talked about because it's probably happening now you don't have to let me just and i just say you know we'll call him up and say hey you're an appointed constable we need to serve please take care of it for us and if they say no i'll report that to you and that will be part of your consideration at renewal next them ok so i would make a motion we approve the application for  is there any background check or anything else that's done to make sure that the person who was approved three years ago hasn't had problems in the last three years that would make them not fit to be reappointed what due diligence do we do  on constables before they get approved it's completely up to you different boards handle it different ways and a lots of boards just reappoint other boards as the police chief to do a cori check to see if anything pops up so it's really is really the board's prerogative my suggestion to you is that whatever you think is appropriate you have a policy which i'll be happy to draft you know whenever you have a subject you want a policy on either board american draft or all draft that and that you have a standard policy for all constables requiring a kori check on renewal or something like that would you think having a cori check before they're renewed  subject to the dissatisfactory court check is appropriate to request my board in easton did yes so i just think you know after you through what through over the last month you know i did to ensure a full transparency of the associate members for the recreation doesn't so i would move to a point allison asking this and james grayness associate members to the board of recreation with the term expiring may first two thousand and eleven second discussion being recommended for a three year term and i guess mary buckland's not on that list because hers is just one more year which is my last year she can do three yeah oh that's right because that's all that right yeah so i'd move paula bishop and rosemary smith for terms on the new book cultural council expiring ten twelve two thousand and thirteen the second the other discussion on that island  choice you don't know is that i gave a three wheeled bicycle that you write your driver pedals and you can give people rides up to four people and they've been doing in boston for about six years and it's actually i here first trip of two miles from the north street intersection to the pine street intersection and i don't know how i would have done this to you or what i should have done would be safer than it is in boston as a clean slate no one's ever been injured but i mean you guys seen the group wander in the game it's gridlock so we would ride in the shoulder between the pad people and in the i have a concern that it had to be invented those games and walking up from north street on one between the twelve people why i try to walk on the sidewalk and people walking on the streets and the cars back and forth i don't know how you do how you you know operate this other than while the game's going on and there's no one walking back and forth because it is so crowded walking before the game and after the game i don't know how you could do it in an efficient or effective manner and the safety of the people walking in the cars and everything else i have some real concerns about it all bikes have lights on the front in the back and  it's not like the headlights just to be able to be seen and i've seen them in boston so i know what they are and i've seen him in other in other states i just don't know that that it's practical for a long route one in the section of town that you're talking about from you know main street i agree although i'd feel differently if the so the chief of police basically says if you get a specific letter from the state police that would be something he would expect if the state police say it's ok that it's you know no safety problem i wouldn't have brought him with it it's his money to lose y  you know one one hand the state police that you talked to that would maybe doing the traffic detail you know that this is you can use it on the sidewalk even if they let you use it on the sidewalk  but it's jammed with people and chief all areas saying that the breakdown lane where you would use it is used for traffic use for cars i just can't see how you going to get that bicycle from north through one and not interfere with you that that has trans or the cars and i took my bike there once and the police told me to get off the real one you know and it's just not bicycle friendly in the city where it's a little tighter yes it's probably more conflict but you've got three lanes of traffic going on route one with all the pedestrians and everyone's in a rush to get to the game there's no meandering in sight seeing it's just you're going in you're coming back  don't know how i can support this at this at this time but at a minimum i think you need to go to the captain of the state police and you need to sit down and talk to the police chief as well and you need to get at least recommendations from both of them before before i would even consider acting and even then i just want you to be to be it will be candid with you that i'm not sure that it's practical and it's it is easy to say it's your money you know but you know i don't want to see a young entrepreneur put out the kind of money you don't have to put out to do this if it's really not going to work and so i just i doubt i think you need to really look at your business plan or they can be really be up there for a couple of games and see what it's really like and and how you might really work at it not work it and then sit and he's a billionaire in a house on but some practical concerns first of all this is a state number a highway so it is i can just about assure you that that some sort of permission from the state highway district is required because we business activities on state numbered highways secondly i'm not sure what statute you'd ask for a business license but it's not a business license it's not a deviate because those are issued by the town clerk not the selectmen but this may be regulated under another statute and i don't know what it is because i've never had any dealings with it so i think one of the questions you need to look at then is  what statute is this license under i know there is a statute for pedicabs i just don't know what it is it may be the licensing under chapter one forty that covers cabs hackney carriages a called and if it is then unfortunately there's going to have to be a lot more information put together in the application to you to the board because this would fall far short of what would be required for a hackney license and i'm pretty sure i've seen on those hackney licenses licenses and it's a fairly elaborate process and the last concern would be this really needs to be carefully vetted i think by members of the members of the boards or who have observed this could be an exceptionally complicated and potentially dangerous activity given the constraints out there and it has to be thought out i think much more carefully than this reflects frankly in of all that can be accomplished it might be a good service and it might be might be valuable last note i don't know what the revenue potential for this sort of thing is but with a fleet of twenty five this is running over the state this is running over public roads it's essentially a franchise license for all intents and purposes and that's required to be bid under chapter thirty b we cannot give an exclusive franchise to any vendor without a public bidding process if it were to be the case that there were going to be multiple pretty cab services and it was under a state statute we can do that but if it's an exclusive in the letter they stated their shock with the new tax rate the short notice for such an increase and they asked the selectmen to stand up and explain why we did not implement they split tax rate a split tax rate charges commercial businesses differently than homeowners usually at a higher rate as suggested by the person who wrote the letter i thought we were all pretty clear last week about our positions but since he's asked us to stand up i thought i would at least end up personally and explain to him first it was the voters a town meeting who approved the increased spending levels which led to the higher taxes we have over ten thousand registered voters and yet about three percent attend how meeting and make the decision on the budget and subsequently the impact on the taxes when you when you look at what we did two weeks ago two thirds of the tax increase was the result of the spending at springtown meeting the selectmen had initiated a debate long before town meeting on the merits of level funding which would not have raised by jets or taxes versus level services which in fact raised budgets people spoke for and against of the public airing and a town meeting and isn't in a democracy town meeting overwhelmingly supported level service and thus the higher taxes one third of the tax increase was the result of the high school project which was again overwhelmingly approved at town meeting and in a proposition two and a half override for a debt exemption this should be no surprise to anybody because everyone who voted for the high school project knew what the tax impact was going to be and i'm going to vote for the debt exemption knew what it was going to be and those who voted for the library this last time know that the taxes would go up further to cover the cost of the library project we have a strong commercial base in foxborough which pays twenty five percent of the town these commercial businesses don't have the opportunity devoted town meeting or to vote for or against a dead exemption nor do they benefit directly from the high school or the library projects despite that they pay their fair share in taxes would also remind the public that some of us on the board of selectmen supported an effort to raise the meals tax with the proviso that the full amount raised be used to reduce property taxes as an offset to reduce state aid i didn't think that the increase would negatively impact restaurants or those that dine out and that the revenue in this case would have reduced the tax increase by almost a third but again in our democracy people came to town meeting they spoke at town meeting and they voted against the meals tax i voted for the single tax rate for two reasons first and foremost i don't think it's fair for homeowners to vote to increase spending to vote to debt exemptions and then expect commercial businesses to pay a disproportionate share of those increases since those commercial businesses are unable to vote for those items second i believe we need our commercial businesses to thrive we need them to create and maintain jobs and to continue to pay their fair share which is roughly twenty five percent of the tax bill i didn't think a split tax rate was fair or appropriate and i thought it would hurt all businesses and thus hurt the community the town's website has the entire presentation from last week it shows real estate values for the last last ten years and you'll see that according to the assessor's home values have not plummeted as suggested in the article but you'll see that information you'll see who the largest tax payers are you'll see how our rates compared to all the surrounding towns and so much more information so i encourage the writer of that article as well as anyone else to go to the town's website and to see the information for themselves i thought the board of selectmen was quite clear and i just want to clarify it for those that  to put it on an executive session for the our next meeting and will and the negotiating committee will have an update for the combined water sewer and voice alike in can we at that time also since its executive session it would be for this purpose anyway have  town council lynn on the employee issue that we talked about a month just on the whether or not the badgering issue that we talked about your call that  yes i can check and see if you will be here and the reason he's out of the country for a couple weeks yeah because i do think in fairness to the employee and actually the town council i think we have to have we can do it i think it's them in there but i don't we feel confident we'll have a proposal for your for for that meeting so that's what i want to spend most of our time and we could i don't know i think i should i think it's critically important i also think to you know well i said i think i think we need to have that if there is another piece of all business how are we doing with getting say the applicant the m b t in front of us to us mean the selectmen in up in the executive summary is the funding you know on that for there's a funding issue where they do propose a one proposal to fix it and you know what might be worthwhile is having a public discussion and inviting barney frank is an example was our it was our state representative our of our representative in congress he has as well as our senator and our state folks because maybe there's federal state money that's available to do some things and what would be helpful is to know exactly the scope of the project the alternatives the feasibility the timeline and whether or not there's any money to do it for instance if there's no state money there's no federal money there's no towel money then it makes a dialogue fairly sure if on the other hand that in the transportation bill in congress there's money to do some things that maybe the conversation goes a different direction so i just think it would be helpful at some point if we could have a public discussion invite some of our elected officials and just talk about the different alternatives the the pluses the minuses and where funding might or might not be right and i think that yeah i you're not even close to being at that point right now but if we wanted to better understand the report itself you know i can pass and continue to reach out but see the reason why i also think it's important is that any decision that would be made would be the wheels of government grind slowly would not be as and when it did not even that just a timeline and with the with the further development we'd all like to see on route one including office space etc this might be an integral part of making some of those pieces work so i think that understanding the route one area that the potential development in one area how the train station would fit in there where the funding might be might be it might be worthwhile having a separate evening just talking about it because as a board we've talked about more strategic planning and thinking further on the future even if someone came tomorrow and said here's the money it's probably several years before that could ever get done and so because we are and we've talked as a as a board about developing as much along route one as we can to increase that commercial  vs residential piece on the tax burden it might be worthwhile to fight the planning board and all those that would be impacted by that potential development and how this might impact that and and you know start talking about it but it's certainly a long not too many people are talking to be quite honest with you that would mention it to me but what i have heard is actually there's more negative than positive and i don't actually have an opinion yet but i think it might be merit to both sides you know when the time is appropriate and right and that's the board's call i would strongly urge the board to have as much public discussion about it having been through ten years of the propose train route and easton and then coming in on the tail end of one that was actually built and hang on and having a pretty good idea of how the process is these things tend to be frankly very controversial and the public very much i'll see what their thoughts are and i you know i agree with you i think that you know we had a month to read it if we have a meeting in a month or two you know we ought to have the planning board there we ought to have you know a very wide audience and we are make sure that lots of people know we're going to have the discussion and have it at the high school auditorium and i think it's just it's good information for people to understand that the three options that they had in there and why and you know our fourth option is to do nothing but at least some to you know start the dialogue and make sure people are aware of it understand what the issues are and what the timeline would be and where the funding would come from and who would have to fund it whether is even feasible there's no sense having rumors flying around about something that may not even be feasible after we  feasibility plan that's right yeah just as an aside that if i understood the three options they don't all i mean it's not like we're going to have a great you know train station here with you know full service that they're all somewhat marginal i think right and if someone takes the train you know you know you can relate to the way that they've got it scheduled right yeah i'd probably keep going to sharon to get him there or anything else