well welcome to the program james so cal steve today we're going to talk about something a little different we're going to talk about how to draw a baby's face or a baby's head because this is a difficult subject for a lot of art students so you know like the old masters news so i brought in some examples of their work which i want to hold up here and you know and hold this one  and little nose toes are those are major characteristics and what they were going to concentrate on those things and here's a drawing i did with my daughter when she was four months old this  have some charcoal and just give us some charcoal and some charcoal paper here and break this down see everything comes down to the basic shape with the new year they're also in the lights coming from the left and you see the eyes would be about there is about half way see and then this goes on there like that  just trying to simplify this to begin with ideas first and then we could break it down into the features and you know i also brought in this this portrait had just because we're going to contrast the not dull ted with the with the round baby's head and you'll see how these differences the differences in the plane soon structure you know so we'll get into that more a little bit and take another piece of paper here like i said rather at the top here so you know these are general characteristics we're talking about so very narrow and very weak but so to say let's look at a profile for a moment here the forehead will come out a little bit like that the back of the head sort of slopes down like this see in that direction like that then course you have the we have these big cheeks again though the jaws very delicate you know not not in the strongly defined within the little nose when you go up about there so sometimes on the profile you you'll see the the upper lip you won't see the lower lip and then you'll see a little chin there bits kind of prominent in the baby and they have a very weak narrow neck c so these are these are the major characteristics that we're looking for here so to talk a little bit about like this also because i know there are you know there are just too like to do the baby face or their child or grandchild you know so these things have to do with the measurements from the eyebrow to the i see that distance is important i like to pay attention to the shape of the upper  it had to be pretty close to capturing that person even though you know baby or not we could capture the yards simple if we look at the a little lower lip right there  to see could be look could be like that the wing of the nose or the you know the little notional there that relationship to the tip was important too you know sometimes that's what i'm looking at here see but sometimes it might be light like this and i thank you on the first artist to really make the the baby look like a baby in the early renaissance to look like elderly people you know but especially will get some more paper and we could talk a little bit about technique also in drawing nice quality with the whoa once we will take a break soon and then we'll get into this technique when we come back ok so you know i know it's hard to draw children from life i used to do that and it's very hard when to get a good photograph and you know just it's very shallow right through the center of the younger the baby you know the last structure you'll see right through there and so here we have the put put of the eyeball in there just put the sphere in there and then we'll draw over that and then the mild very small you  know when we talk about it seems so so obvious and logical but it's not unless you're really and allies these things know remember the lower part of that the face from the just under the upper lip to the chin is going to be in that photo that have shadow area just like this that the upper area of the eyes will be is the shadow cousin and you know look at that profile again and it's going like tests so with the with the lights coming this way that's why this is in shadow and that's in shadow s need a bigger piece home on a minute you know we go is just one of the techniques the the old masters like to use and you know also while we were drawing you have to keep in mind where the light is the lights coming from the left so that means or shadow will be over see look at the eyebrow all next you know in relation to that i everything it comes down to the basic shapes and so we have these big spherical shapes needed will shape that a little bit through there very delicate shadow here thinking about shapes and you know it helps create a bigger idea and you know these larger forms rather than just copying what we see you have to know what's under a lot of the underlying for she has a hat on them some time to here be a bonnet or something you painted a lot of baby head to think that we start any had any baby had with these big ideas you could you could turn that had many directions you want the i can turn it this way and through the features on later feel like then head on just keep the head a little broader at the top and half way there's the the the  probably the biggest mistake that's made and we're trying to do a baby is making this part too long you know making the nose area too long and then you're going to get closer to ended up with an adult head like this