the meeting of august eighteenth two thousand and sixteen please come to order my name is don coutts i'm the chair of the committee first before we go anywhere let's everybody turn their phones on silent mode check your phone even if you think it's on sometimes it acts up and turns itself on to ring mode right bob ok let me introduce let me introduce the committee members that are here today first we have vice chair robert  white he will be here shortly and i believe the other two will be as well we don't have any non voting members here today from the administration we have the  morning and deputy corporation counsel rachelle thompson good morning and from the staff we have legislative attorney greg are no morning to morning and committee secretary probably martens and from the  district office we have credit good morning and from ok we have al al con going to ok members we have two items on the agenda today the meeting is going to be ending at ten thirty actually a little bit before because we have a committee of the whole meeting we gave some time to so we only put two items on the agenda p c thirty eight which is the annual status report on the implementation of the county wide policy plan and now we island plan and p c thirty nine annual status report on the implementation of the maui county community plans so like i said about ten twenties were testify on it do you have anybody there to testify ok thank you ladies and there's only one person in the gallery today and he already told me he does want to testify your last chance if you want to testify ok great members seeing that there's nobody here to testify we will not open public testimony or we will open and close it any objections ok public testimony has been open and closed but all right thank you ladies that take care of right first up is p c thirty eight and members it's up to the planning department if you guys want to do it all kind of are they kind of combined or do you want to do them separately mr spen i think they do come together so let me let me just read to the members and to the audience what the items are thirty eight is the any a status report on the implementation of countywide policy plan in the maui island  plan it's a report dated march thirty first two thousand and sixteen from the planning director on the implementation of the county wide policy plan and the maui i'm in plan this is an annual report is required by both the charter and then i would county code  then the annual status report on the implementation of the maui county community plans and this is a report from the planning director and just that the enter port is required by both the charter and maui county co so what i'd like to do is without any objection as discuss both items at the same time which that way we can go back and forth ok good and i want to recognize the presence of chair mike my ok department what you got for us thank you mr chairman i am personally i'm very glad that we get to present these reports to you the they are documents that we actually started more than two years ago after the now island plan was adopted in the implementation chapter was adopted we actually started these before i started how are we going to write these reports before the implementation chapter for the maui island plan was adopted  and we realize that these had this is a charter requirement from i believe it's two thousand and two and no other planning director for whatever reason and i'm not criticizing  sam for whatever reason these have never been done before so i'm very glad to bring these to the council and report on the implementation of the no i don't plan in the community plans they are i think it i think it's a good thing that it did they point out one where the county's focus could improve as far system to that what things have been have been done partially done and what things haven't even been started and i think that in itself those are kind of eye opening but also the the practicality of our plans i think are pointed out in the county wide policy plan there are seventy three implementing actions maui island plan there are three hundred and twenty three implementing actions and in our community plans combined total six hundred nineteen implementing actions so total for all three of our plans which comprise a general plan there's over a thousand one thousand fifteen different implementing actions they range from simple things that could be handled in the annual budget you know whether it was c i p or things like that or they are huge projects that would take multimillions of dollars and multi year in order to do and i might touch on just maybe a couple of those things but  we were the way we reported it we reported things we went through a list of them all and there are we either rated them as not started at all have partially implemented and those things that have been completed and i just honestly as planning director when i've noticed this for years when i was a staff planner as well as a consultant and now as director i've long heard the complaints and i have long noted myself that we don't do enough with these plans we don't we adopt these plans by ordinance they have these long lists and some of them some of them are some of the list are very doable other things are i'm sorry to say there they're extremely impractical but if in starting as director i went ok we need to do more implementation of these plans so it right around twenty thirteen we started doing in recognizing that need we started a new division within the planning department which kathleen oaky is heading up to take on some of these projects and start implementing the plans and so that's been her focus and i should say it's supposed to be her focus we've spent a whole lot of time just writing these reports but we have g i s we have a g i s dedicated person we have a senior staff person and kathleen it's a small start but my hope is is that as time goes on perhaps this division will grow and will  ok i would like to say that when a few years ago when i was in the long range division so maybe ten ten twelve years ago the beauty director at the time calling sue yama wanted to try to get this report done and i was actually the planner assigned to go through all the community plans we were going to do the community plan first because at that time that's all we had beside the general plan and so we went through you know and  interviewed with all the agencies to try to get an update on the status of things and then colleen retired and like will said for whatever reason every director and deputy is dealing with their own fires so the report was never completed one thing that i didn't notice when i came into so this actual report is will sort of been worked on for a number of years so when i came in in the summer and looked at it and took it on one of the things that i noticed that was done and and it's just to let you know that there's actually more than a thousand and fifteen implementing actions because the maui island plan if you look at a there are a number of actions that actually have multiple actions within the actions and i see council member by so green with me so when i went through it again of course when we had the agency answer the question it was just on the main implementing action it wasn't on each individual one of if there were a number of them so we really need to add in a few more sort comes out to one thousand and eighty  total what i'd like to say is and i was talking to to the director about this is we were walking or over is you know i think the good news is there is good news in the us there are a lot of these that have been completed there actually are i was surprised and there are a lot that have been started early look that now they're not completed but you know the effort has been made and for a multitude of reasons they're not quite done so there are still though a significant that have not been addressed but when you're dealing with a thousand and eighty eight implementing actions that's bound to happen so that's what i kind of wanted to address the members that you know there are things that have been done over the years there are many things that have been started or looked at and then there are those that for whatever reason a multitude of reasons have not been address thank you thank you mr chairman i have one more comment i don't want to present  just ok what we're talking about with all these implementing actions these are just one aspect of implementing our plans this is like the thousand eighty eight items that's the laundry list of to do's for the county and i be honest i glanced it just county w policy plan to seventy three things in there and about half of those are going to require council action to adopt regulations ordinance programs etc there are going to be budgetary items and all of those are just the proactive things that we should be doing the the plans are also implemented into other ways one of our capital improvement projects every year when the budget comes forth there are things in the plans that say this is this is what you should do this is where you should spend money and so that's you know that's an important part of our plans in a you know just being planning director i have to look at this in a land use context another way that the plans are implemented or when applicants come forth with land use proposals whether it is something as look at the community plans the specific community plans in the general plan and say what does it say about this does it have anything to say about it the i know the current division and processed in fiscal year two thousand and fifteen processed about thirteen hundred discretionary applications in which they looked at the policies and the land use map of our general and community my own plan community plans county what policy plans the the zoning enforcement division i would hesitate to say just zoning fair if occasion forms where members of the public call in and say what's my zoning what's my community plan designations fiscal year twenty fifteen they processed four thousand three hundred twenty forms so that's where people are coming to the department and saying you know what can i do on my property and we inform them with that there's all kinds of other reviews you know we three hundred eighty four subdivision reviews you know the the public works director cannot process cannot approve subdivisions unless they conform with our general plan so we do those checks as well there's a myriad of other things but these are by no means static and they're in within the context of c ip and our land use contacts where applications come forth these are very living documents and we use them literally every day so it's really the place where we fall short i think as a county not just planning department is in the proactive to do list of more than a thousand items so i have one other comment that i want to share you know there's over well there's about just in the community plans alone there's one hundred thirty six federal  state or other outside county agency implementing actions that are in the plan so like i say it may be a red but it may be because we have no jurisdiction over it so i think that's important to take into consideration too it could be a yellow and i'll give you an example of that support the completion of the line a bypass that's definitely a yellow it's not a green it's not done it's not red because it got but it would be in the catered as a yellow and we can encourage support testify do all we want but ultimately in the end we know that it's up to state d o t to get that done so i just wanted to share that too that you know these plans include actions and implementation requests that are outside of our jurisdiction is that it from the department ok well put up for discussion one thing quick before we do it just because yesterday we had a change in zoning and i noticed that there were two or three or four pages of comparison to the community plan the maui island plan and kind of my policy plan that everything you do check every time there's a change in zoning or any kind of special use permit i see that every time so that's something that the members need to be aware of again is that we do go through and we do check and make sure everything is copacetic but the plans so i have a large number of questions not a large number of questions but but will that in any way or form because you mentioned mr olcott as a strictly state but will that change a little the demographics and the dynamics of our transportation especially putting things on the strip and pushing as newly formed it was formed right after well i should say after these reports were written and transmitted to the council the i think we've had four meetings where looking forward to hiring an executive director it's only at the very formative stages when we're fully functioning yes the m p o will play a major part in saying where federal dollars are spent now the number of those federal dollars is going to be the biggest the biggest  issue the the things that all of us in this room are aware of that need to be done for our transportation system you know is pretty darn big so you know that will be the major constraint but yes the m p o will be directing where federal dollars go and one of the some of the documents we will be looking out of course will be the maui island plan and our community plans and saying you know these of the the projects it should go forward and i and i thank you because looking on that you want to add something to cause that was my impression priorities for that the county based on community input its biggest thing is to get community input and then create the transportation implementation plan and tell the state for instance public have come in and said no this is this is one of our number one things so let's figure out how we can do that so that's where we can counteract what the state used to do is tell molly what its priorities are this is what now i think the priorities are and the state has the record they're required to listen to what the m p o says they don't get to make the decision anymore they get to make the decision of the state wide mr ford you got me up and this issue was discussed because it was my understanding that that's the way it was going to pan out to be and i know that you guys were going to be trying to get at the rector and i was last week and i guess it hasn't all pan mine and my second question is you know we have this item planned and now we're into the community plans and the length of getting community plans approved has been  what do we do to make sure that the island plants and a community can plants can match up a lot quicker and a lot easier so that we can move the plant the plants along we start today we get it done ten years from now and then we start over again of twenty years from now we start over we almost never get done before we start the new one and it is kind of machine you know and i know we don't want to get into how we can change the process but is there right now any methodology that you guys want to bring forward that can help implement the current new my new plan with the community plan starting from well ok on down the road because some us will be here to enjoy the opportunity to help but we'll be outside watching but those are very good questions and i think that's  you know we've been is one of the criticisms from the public these take too long and i agree it's been my observation for a long time and when you sit down and you do the math with nine community own plan and a county wide policy plan and you look at the timelines what each of the different reviewing bodies gets to do it's impossible to do every ten years which is required by the charter to a t b makes it impossible to do that's a part of it that we need to look at and propose revisions to our process i know we are but we're done it's been molokai he has been transmitted to council we as a county are part way through with that plan we're looking at the implementing actions  more as what practical so we don't have a whole lot of things that will never get done because that's been one of the criticisms are you don't do anything with this plan but when you stop and you look at some of the things like reforest ten thousand acres on hauling off the law you know is is something fact that really practically ever going to happen when you have a budget you know i mean you go through the budget every year you know more about that than i do are we really going to budget tens of millions of dollars to do that you know that's the kind of programs that are kind of implementing actions that are not really all that feasible but have gotten into the plans so we're trying to pare down the laundry list of actually i should say the wish lists that people just want to do everything and we're trying to keep them more in a practical what can the county realistically do what is r c a c i p realistically what kind of money is available and so we're we're trying to keep that more of focus when we the jeep back the planning commission all those who've worked hard to do i think all day with real simple honest attempt to make our communities better with better and more systemic planning the problem is it just takes a long and that's where we need to find some way if it is to a charm in or whatever to make things move a lot more much more quickly so thank you all for what you've done and i'll let others ask questions thank you thank you mr aquino members any questions comments ms cochran thank you chair and thank you department for being here and just looking at the green yellow red lighting system you have for your implementation and thank you ms o'keefe for explaining there are certain things that i understand that are out of the county per se jurisdiction and there's many actions to that action to get it accomplished and what have you but you know i just went directly to the first page of the plan or implementation and some of these have red on them so they've not been looked at or even started at all and i would think they could be quite simple and wouldn't take money such as  if you just go to infrastructure transportation that would be six point five point one of these are numbered but anyways the the first of red you see regularly conduct transit system needs assessment surveys to ensure community satisfaction and provide opportunities for transit system users to make suggestions on ways to improve services that doesn't seem like a tall order or that i would expect that that was done very regularly just as knowing how well as the system do we do we have satisfied customers and improvements anyways also the next one i thought was interesting too under it would be under solid waste and the red item very is implemented a comprehensive curbside recycling program that's a red and as we all know the public outcry and let's keep this going let's expand it all that stuff has been discussed we you know put money towards it during budget and what have you so these are just things that kind of popped out at me that i thought were being looked at and the my first example is something that i think expected ongoing just so we know how you know how we're providing services to this community so here that was just initial glance at a payout and that's what i saw those are interesting comments in  it's surprising that that they all read because we just had a transit system needs assessment came in but i guess this happened after the the report and you didn't pardon didn't tell you that they were working on it because we just saw that just two weeks ago right two or three weeks ago part of this could be to answer council member cochran when i i can speak vaguely for the department but it's much better than have each department here to answer for themselves why they answered the way that they answer to these surveys questionnaires that went out to them went out to them at least a year and a half or two years ago you know and then we sat down with them or when i started and i started there were actually were some that i call you know the staff in of the partners going why did you answer it this way and or explain the question or maybe they didn't quite understand so this is our first go i am hoping that it will improve in you know the next time around and i i agree i did see some that i'm like why is this rare you know we did this one thing could be like for the transportation one regularly conduct maybe they've done a survey but they don't feel comfortable saying that they've regularly do it so they say rare i mean there could be a multitude of reasons why and the best thing to do is if you have specific questions i know is to ask that the partment  way confortable answering the planning department questions not too comfortable answering the other ones there were you know for example there's some in there that talk about protecting wetlands and it's assigned to environmental management and so i spoke to them and you know there's sort of this no it's not our jurisdiction it's the federal jurisdiction and saw i you know i have to deal with that to say i need an answer and to put something on here if you if you as a department haven't done anything then just say saul we'll put it down and then if you get question you can explain to the council why you haven't done anything why you feel that it's outside of your jurisdiction because a lot of these outs what happens when they get the plans gets formulated it's all let's assign it to x y and z but they may not necessarily be the right departments to handle  that's work director spence we need to focus on what it is that we as a county i think can do so that we don't get ourselves in trouble that we're not implementing  first time i mean that the agencies have responded to writing this report so that's part of the reason i think they've never thought about what they've done in the last fifteen or twenty years in terms of you know how they would be answering you know this survey i think ideally as director and and knowing how other jurisdictions treat their treat their general plans the general plan should be a road map for all the different agencies this is what i'm going to be doing this is what i'm focus on for the next ten years over the next twenty years that twenty years is a little bit hard to put your finger on what you know budgets or anything is going to be like but  i would say and also in you know kind of what mr victory no was alluding to what would we change how are we doing our community plans differently this time we're going out to the agencies and saying you know is this doable can you do this and in some cases what the old plans are gone no i mean we can't do that but this go round we have much more by then much more participation with the with the different agencies so they're going to have much more of a road map to follow in the future so you know and thank you you know for those comments  i'm glad that somehow we're getting everybody on the same page figure out who's doing what and and i mean and then other transportation just for an example chair establish alternate financing programs such as transportation impact fees community facilities districts transfer of development rights or dedicated sources of funding this is under transportation again i understand be better if they are here this is a red i would like to see that that it's  looking they're looking at it in some way shape and form to try and seek for funding wherever they can i mean this isn't that can be implemented and started i'm not seen complete and finish and you know a year but obviously this is permits that you've gone through so these numbers are one to two years old as in how many estimate miners and majors how many special use conditional permits have been given are being worked a's have been done five special use seven conditional and you know the total i guess that are in the pipeline is over a thousand i guess i what i was mentioning over a thousand items those are the list but those are applications to the planning department where we would look discretionary permit applications where we would look after community plan and say does this project meet the criteria that laid out in the community plan so that was just the number of applications i i can't tell you how many of those have been granted thus far  but we you know that goes a short term rental home permit to goes to bed and breakfast i mean everything i mean really small projects to really really large ones that the council sees you know we measure the all these projects against our community plans and that's a part of implementation sure ok all right thank you thank you oh thank you very much chair this brings back a lot of memories some good and some not so could but it's interesting to look at it now that time has passed and we actually have a report in front of us to see how it goes to the next step once we went through all that we went through in order to establish all of these goals and and actions and it's kind of formidable when you think about the number of implementing actions that you have to monitor and i can see where this is just preparing this is report is a full time job but you know i don't know what i'm looking at it at this point you know i have a little different perspective because we're not just writing things down and coming to consensus i must have heard that word about one million times in the formation of this plan about how do we monitor this things how do we because once they're in here it really goes up to the departments for them to take a look at it and decide what they want to pay or what they want to work on what they you know defer because they don't have time or they find it's not as much of a priority or whatever the reasons are but when i look at it it's really interesting because now i look at it from another perspective when we're putting these kinds of things together we might have to have some because it's kind of distressing when you go through and look at the ones that are in the red zone and you have a tendency to do that you know when you look at a report like this and you have done and working and  and you kind of tend to look at them not done and say well what's the problem you know why are they doing this and we of course looking at this report we have no way of knowing why the departments have done what they've done and so in the review looks like maybe we'd have to departments in here like we do in budget to kind of give us an idea that was going to be my comment to you guys is do you want me to send a letter to each of you each of your committees and say this is what the kind of my policy plan and all the implementation plans then have you guys bring up your we probably could do it but i think it would be really helpful to have them discuss more absolutely no why they've done and why they prioritize what they have you know i'm looking on and it's going to just pick one page thirty two the fifty two and it says there's an economic development tourism thing and it says conduct and regularly update and impact assessment social economic and environmental of the costs and benefits of mega resort timeshare vacation rental and other types of this is the accommodations you know that such a valuable thing because we do listen all the time to our communities take on vacation rentals and what different kinds of accommodations in the laws we mean have that impact on them because they have a study that would verify that and it's something that is in their red zone they haven't had an opportunity either to make it a priority get the money to do it or whatever so for me i really think that what would be very useful would be to get these into the various subject committees and let's take a deeper look and game what we'll do that will have a do you want members of you know each of you have a committee do you want just the ones that affect your committee or do you want this report to send to your committee then you can figure out which ones you want to do with i can go either way well like for myself  you just want to water well yes i just want water because i know it will end if we can't concentrate on our subject then maybe we can get through this because there is so much here and it's not useful to me to to be king about you know sewers right because you know it doesn't affect my my job ok ok we'll do that we'll break them out but you know i do want to thank the department you know this is a nightmare i think to monitor and it was hard to put it together and it's no easier talk try to keep track of it so again i want to thank you and compliment to this is a big big job i still am going to leave this council feeling that we have to have a better process for community plans and for general plan and  even though i'll be retired i'll be watching and ready to help in any way if i can thank you and we have to be careful members on the comments on as far as the process because this is another that's another item that we have and it's not on the agenda but we can d p i a takeover some of the other absolutely if you if you feel that there are some issues on your agenda you've got so many things that you could certainly i have no problem with it going t chair of the part of the committee has no problem no i don't have any problem and i'd be willing to take on because my agenda is not as as tight as some of the others at this time but those that can like water you for structure whatever they i'd just a suggestion for the for the members of chairman of the of the committees as these things are assigned to your respective committees take a look at the actions seeing to me seeing all of these actions in one place i see the enormity of the task and and how difficult it would be to accomplish all this within ten years or even twenty years so as you look at these and i know i was impressed of what are the resources needed to accomplish these thing  summer cochran and it well what's is you know i don't why are we doing a satisfaction survey or we should be doing i forget exactly the terminology but you know you're taking one person's one stop person's time an incredible amount to get those surveys out get them published get the results back consolidated and all that put it into a meaningful  form that's just one of the things that that person from i'm suing it's transportation department would need to do amongst all the other duties and everything as you go through these start thinking about ok wow if we were going to another one thing in the county what policy plan update the maui county code to conform to the county wide policy plan of the maori on one plan my goodness we have over a thousand pages of code that somebody would have to stop and take a look at and compare and propose ordinances to change and i mean that would just take a year of everybody's committee time just to do that one task so again i'm impressed with the enormity of the task if we're really serious and i mean practically implementing these plans how much budget would it take to do all of these studies i mean you know we we spend one hundred thousand dollars on consultants couple hundred thousand dollars for one study all the studies all the surveys everything that these plans call for so as you look through these just go oh my god think about the time think about the number of committee meetings to do one item so there are practical implications of of implementing these plans that i don't know i more i think about the more i'm impressed with the difficulty jim you know and you bring up a good point deeply in number one breaking our surveys by beaking let's see five departments of sixty parliaments and send a survey like we did what we do with budget but we cover a lot of areas just picking specific areas for specific departments and maybe ten questions for each department and send out one survey instead of each department sending out a surfeit ok and then have at the bottom comments you know comments as well you probably pick up whatever somebody hasn't thought about as far as the server is concerned so you me at two or three surveys total in the year because you and i both know we get so much surveys and so much mail is junk mail in and what most people look at five thirty right right in there which can so i agree with giving answers from the public in by seeing the other one is maybe asking for help from our community association kula some of the spill associations i think would be more than willing to jump in and help us with that you know as a distribution point and or as a focal point for the area and for areas around them just some ideas to chair i and i again something to think about but i don't want this to die here i'd like to see us do something and i'd love to get in our committees so that we can have some focus discussion i think this is very important we're moving in the right direction gang i like this but i think we can grow on it by but we've got to be specific we've got to be kind of a stab machine where we want to go with it so that we can get the feedback because if it's helter skelter people not going to respond so that's my my take on it i like all the ideas i think we just got to formulate and maybe leave it in your hands and the chairs and some others to come up with some ideas and  come back to us at a you know a later date whatever but i think this is a great discussion thank you thank you mr grossman yeah questions from the department so an implementation portion of it how involved is the managing directors office because that's what that's what the focal point of centralizing are these the duties of the managing directors office right is to be a cordon ating type department how involved are is that department in th employment in the implementation process or policy i well i know that there are in these reports there are specific items assigned to the managing directors department beyond that i know that all the directors you know we meet regularly with the m d and we have different discussions on you know how are doing and what are the needs for departments  specifically to this to implementing the community plans there's been some discussion not it's not it hasn't been the primary focus so in richard it might my point is you know we're as council members or our duties and responsibilities are policy and so for implementation that's said ministration side of it and so it sounds as though that we are doing a lot of extra legwork on the legislative side to try to find out if this has been implemented and what are the numbers and what are the stats what is the managing directors office be a more coordinated place to try to get some of these answers this is basically  a policy that needs to be followed through with so i would suggest that we try to at least have the you know the managing director or the representative here when we to be fair the charter says that the planning director is responsible for this report and monitoring the implementation but savall effective is it when you try to at least encourage or require them to follow through how how effective is that department via department i mean we all know that the managing director is the head of all the departments you know so how effective is it when you when you see an item in you needed to be done in a different department how effective are you in getting that actually cord completed well and until the i mean to the train of thought and how our general plan is the effect of the massive to do ip everything the whole thought process is changing more directed towards the general plan so you know i can't say how things in the past were done but i would say that all of the departments each department is responsible for their portion of the of the general a community plan i don't think that's really the managing director what i'm trying to say is that the managing director could make it more more or less a priority you know because a lot of times you have the you know there are things that they're supposed to implement but intel the chief says let's get this done as a priority then you know people stand up and you know the departments move so you know it's a matter of prior ties and where is that where is that being delegated as a priority who is tel so if you're delegating it in your and the other departments are saying ok yeah we got to get it done but it's a different matter when the managing director the head of all the departments say this is going to be a priority and  i think too i mean i know where you're going with this is as the you know he kind of cordon apes it's whatever that hasn't been really the responsibility has been with each of the directors of the departments in order to go ok this is my role within the mowing i don't plan and community plans i think to the current managing directors credit he is looking much more seriously the the  role of the plans and and how things are going than other m d s in the past so but you can speak to him directly on the out no i know i understand this you know the is going to be priority is just a court nation that could very well down i think that it's a shift in thought process that towards our plans it's already taking place i mean we've we recognize the flaws in the system i'll just say i think all the directors do recognize the flaws in the system and how we need to change that so this is just becomes everybody's road map right track and then that it has to be said by the you know the top c e o you know this is the road and this is the priority and you know and i would say it also it stems in the budget from the budget director because so many of the items within the plans are responsibility in this because when you when i look at the number of things that are in the ninety five ninety six and ninety eight plans in the various communities there's lots of things that are in the red column and many of them are are budget issues that i don't think would make it past the council so to to expect the administration to implement stuff that would be unlikely  passed counselled probably not going to get passed the budget director or the mayor either and as was pointed out a number of the items on the list require council action and  i'll be honest by the time we got done with the mile island plan and seen enough of it for a while i honestly can't say that i have pulled it out and gone through it to see what our responsibilities are coming from that report and so i think this this is a really good reminder for all of us that it's maybe time to pull it out pull it off the shelf and take a close look at what hour it is so give the department a lot of credit for putting this together it is a lot of work but this is just an indicator of how much work is left to be done right there's a lot of work that has been done and christ sad to say or good to saturno since this is i'm the chair of the planning committee i've taken it down and book and it's daunting and some of the things that we've done through this committee and there are a result of that so mr spence and i certainly appreciate chair wipes comments it was really only with this report when you see all the actions in one place i mean as we went through line by line with the maui island plan we looked at each one of the trees and we totally forgot the forest and i mean here these reports are a picture of the forest and then when you look at them all together you go wow that's requires a whole lot of money requires a whole lot of action a whole lot of regulation a whole lot of i mean and it's i think it's a great how much has been accomplished it's also daunting what yet needs to be accomplished and as you say some of these things are they're never going to pass a budget  i go back to the reforesting ten thousand acres of the law when we have such social needs and housing needs and infrastructural needs i would love nothing more if you know assuming the landowners want their lands reforested and you know with that kind of money it's hard to find that kind of money to do those sorts of really wonderful sounding projects when there are so many other needs at the county house do is give us a chance to share with the community because they do watch and folks do come and listen in to the various components of this report because we're looking at a huge document a fifty two pages and folks at home are not able to see what we're seeing and i don't know how many of them you know be able to go online and really take a look so i think having it in a committee we can talk more about it in depth is going to help everyone understand what this is all about and why it's so important and you know we have a lot of folks to keep telling us stick with the plan and stick with the plan but a lot of people don't even know what's in the plan so i think this will put emphasis on this plan and i think that's important so i think it will be a real worthwhile thing and i look forward to doing it in the water committee thank you thank you members miss ocky i appreciate what you just said consul member side because one of the things that's in mali i'm plan talks about police facilities and specifically focus is on the line a police station which at the time under that sometimes or dynamic and there fluid and priorities change so i think that's important to take into account to ok members and the other questions comments so what we'll do then is we'll send out what our best guess is as which committee this should go to and anything else goes to a and then if you especially mr guzman i think you you have multiple departments especially if you want to send some off to him as well just don't overload him and we'll figure it out anything left maybe we can work out on here as well although we have a pretty full agenda between between now and the end of the year all right members any further comments so i want to thank the staff and thank you guys for coming up and explaining your report it was very interesting to see when we got it and i'm glad we had a chance to get it on the agenda and moving thank you members for be willing to take the individual departments and the law hopefully will see that soon sooner rather than later ok i will start on why we didn't is a whole bunch of other stuff that we could have put on there all right members any further comments questions that being said thank the staff and thanking the department and thank you guys for being here for a really good