you to the select board meeting for september eleventh i would ask that you rise and yes if you could remain standing i would like to ask for a moment of silence on this anniversary of nine eleven thank you very much have a captain gary here from the police department he's was interested in the regional dispatch to order and funding documents that discussion so rather than make him sit through the entire meeting but asked that the board consider moving out up to just after i same four zero before we get into the public to be heard i would ask that anybody who has an electronic device with them move it to silent or vibrate at the very least so that we are not interrupt number for public to be heard is there anyone who has anything that they would like to share with the select board that is not on the agenda for the schevening evaluation committee we've wrapped up our sessions where we were meeting we came up with an outline for our report which is going to include recommendations and actually the first draft was just provided to our team today for us to make it it's so just wanted to get that update that we're progressing there and we're on track to anybody else from the slick or ok then we will get down to the business at hand i don't five day we have interviews this evening with yes thank you mr brown if you wouldn't mind stepping into the lobby while mr jenson is i apologize and i thank you we will come and get you jensen you are interested in a position on the cemetery commission so we're looking forward to hearing from you about why you want to undertake that endeavor and we thank you in advance for coming forward and  so not only when i became interested in genealogy to just see if i could find answers to but to look i mean if you go to virginia city nevada it is totally different than you know going to say rocking him for months i've even had friends take me to the cemeteries in scotland because the one with interest i guess one of the things that that as i've looked at the cemeteries his have gone up to johnson and down to western mass yesterday for example or to my vet in virginia is is this the older cemeteries and the stones that  that are even broken or not clean and that and that is kind of upsetting it should the cemetery should be a place where this is my perspective you you go to see where your family is right where your ancestors years ago up you know my ancestors and sure enough there were there and syracuse so i found out what graveyard they were an and we went to one on this trip and i found great great great grandfather died eighteen ten and so i thought that oh next time i come all car stone and i've taken classes at blue onto the graves association for gravestone studies plus the vermont old sex taken photographs and find a grave you know sometimes you can't see the dates right i've kind of talked to the lady that's in charge hoping to do something on the twenty third but it's just a great it's a small private graveyard so with only stone so there's plenty of people for that so graveyards are really important to me  i told my son one time my younger son you know because when we went to my graveyard this lady who lived next door said i come here to look up in names you know if i'm having a baby and i later said to my son you know i'd really like to stroke their mom you do because he's varied all my dogs have about forty dogs buried just outside my fence but that's not the kind of grey you know really so that's my reason i really want to be involved and there is you know there's something i can do i've been to the legislature here all these years i know a lot of people i belong to those two associations i went and watched matt peak who cleans hope cemetery stones for  are some you know like marble but i picked for junior city because i lived in reno and i have friends that lived in virginia city so and even when you know what was that  we were up there when they first started that program and so we saw and you know right as so any old town that my father was big on visiting ghost towns and so you know i thinned to a lot of cemeteries but  appointed you to the library right and i know that you're taking classes and you're involved in a lot of things is there a point where you're spread too thin or do you feel like you know you have you have more to give for this i work one or two it depends the tests mostly are in the summer and in the fall in the winter it's slow and there's only about five of us and we all work part time so i work maybe two days a week half a day right then i take two classes a semester and next and i said i knew the answer but yeah i live by myself with three dogs and three thousand and three chickens so you know it's i don't have my family have me i don't have to help my family anymore except over the telephone giving advice maybe they don't model yeah right so  don't think and i'm not sure does the i was told and i'm not i'm not sure about this that they they only meet once a year the cemetery committee does anybody know  right yeah yeah right so gee you know i think you're going to be able to make that i think i'm going to be with the wonderful anybody else have questions for get a chance you should go down you've all i'm sure been to see hope cemetary right right yes they're the best yes and it was really amazing to watch him clean the stones although it wouldn't work you know there because they're all right thank you so we will decide later on tonight and somebody from the manager staff will be in touch with you tomorrow but thank you again very much for stepping up good evening thank you thank you very much for stepping up so we understand that you're interested in the position that became available on the cemetery commission so we were wondering if you could tell us a little bit about yourself and why you would like to serve on that commission well i live in essex center out in the center i've lived there for about twenty years or so i haven't really been too involved in the community to be quite honest i was working and i didn't i and i did work at the library in their gardening project for a couple years and all and i have also been very involved are involved in my family genealogy and i've seen a lot of cemeteries found the real actually before that  when we try to children when we travel we would massachusetts has the best cemeteries and we would you know often stop and trace them or whatever and so i've always found the relevant fascinating historically but also because they're kind of people kind of they are arresting place for the community you know set stand there and look and there's the neighbors next to each other who probably couldn't you know like there they are for the rest of their day so but you know as far as being involved in the historical society here or there or you know other things i haven't and i've felt like essex i feel connected to what i think indian rock is and wonderful place and feels proud of it and i guess that was kind of what led me to my for this i don't have a lot of qualifications addition to all of this background is about a year ago and irene you i was on you and i were on the same tool or we took a tour through that common burial ground up in the center and it was with tim german and i think where he johnson and it was it was fascinating but it was also very sad to me because there's so it's it's a huge crammed takes a lot to keep up and  it's i don't you know everybody i mean all towns i think probably old towns struggle with how to keep your cemeteries strong and respectable and a landscape  so it's the cemetery's been sort of on my mind since then and when i saw this opening pop come up i thought well i'll just i'll just take the  k then and i think we're good all right we will deliberate later on after the meeting and we will will come to a decision and someone from the manager's office will be calling you tomorrow to let you know what the results of our deliberations were but we thank you again for stepping up and we really appreciate you coming in you know and it was very nice to meet with you thank you very much first which was long before you can see it until after not to highlight an issue of that i just you know  seconded by sue and he discussion oh yeah you know i should reveal that my wife is on the board of trustees but i think i can be impartial in my  you know you're just curious cherry's in texas with the red cross so i was asked to step in just in case you had any questions about the process so far i don't really have a presentation we tried figure out all the documents all the relevant documents statue needed to see i as i was just before i came over here tonight every member did one more it which is just a list of all places it's going to be the job will be advertising i don't know if you need this if you want to see that i can just read it to you but i can hand it out to you too if you want but i've got that with me so i guess maybe what i'll do is let me just quickly go through this i'll try not to take much time and this is as you know to go back over the as our in our last joint meeting you the two boards authorized the two chairs to initiate and execute the contract and that that really was going to mean and i think it's going to mean over the next few months a lot of e mail and phone conversations with don jordan in new hampshire and so our first one we kicked off shortly after we had the joint meeting and the agenda we the the big issue was coming up with a contract we had done had presented us as you recall with a rough outline of the contract and we had that it was a draft that he had used for with other other communities and we also had a survey and the survey would be two board members for the select board and the trustees asking us what are we looking for in a manager how do we see things what is the current state of e and i thought it really got really got to the heart of everything and turned and if i would say if anyone thinks that we left something out of that survey let us know we can we can probably tack it on if we if you can think of something we should have asked and didn't ask but it's there and i think there will be time for that sort of thing again sort of for some more revisions so that was that was a conference call and we then did business over with e mail mess with travis sort of hovering in the background to take care of any and any of our administrative needs if we needed paper or someone to sort of pass you know move things along stream of consciousness thought about what we where we thought the state of the essex junction an essex town where what we thought we'd be looking for a new manager max was sort of in the process of gearing up to head off to texas i sat down and wrote something said hey that's great but i'm not sure that max will probably he may when he gets back want to write his own but he i let him look at mine before i sent mine off to make sure i didn't say anything completely ridiculous even though it's mine and  but i think you have that narrative so you again and i just tried to basically summarize how i saw things and what what at least i think kind of the kind of political environment that the new manager would be coming into what i think what i think with the the biggest issues i kind of said that i thought that to summarize for the for the audience i don't see we don't have any catastrophic knock on wood economic issues we don't have any catastrophic not being hit hopefully by a hurricane we don't have any devastating stuff going on i think that the biggest challenge for the new manager is probably going to be jumping into the middle of the consolidation effort that's going to that's going to be sort of an out of the box outside the box sort of experience for someone who's into the normal routine of municipal management because consolidating two communities is not something we do all the time so i kind of said that that's the sort of thing  that i think that that is going to be the biggest opportunity and the biggest challenge for the new manager coming in getting to know the ten of us and working in that environment and so that's pretty much it now i think just to to go back i can summarize where we are in terms of the process the the idea is after we get the surveys done there he is going to generate that he'll use that to generate a profile that will help him screen candidates the advertised advertisement for the position should have already gone out and should already being be being advertised in these venues and i'll read them off in a little while but i think he kind of discussed this during our interview where where he was going to be and i cna was the big one the other interesting piece is that we decided we'd probably do three focus groups one with staff and then with one with members of the public and he we weren't really sure how we would get folks from the community involved in a focus group we didn't know in that we can't say and i only we can say now if we advertise that whether we would get enough people you know in involved in wanting to participate in focus groups would we get so many that would have to screen them if we wouldn't get enough then would we have to reach out and appoint them so that's we're still not really clear on how we're going to get the focus group piece for the public input for the focus group piece i think that should be on the agenda for our next joint meeting which is going to be in two weeks we can we can go over that and talk about how we want to do that but the idea is that he and he's also going to have a focus group for staff and if we wanted to put in maybe not the entire staff but people that we think you're right and then i think you if you have all the i don't want to go over the entire detail of the contract but i think most of the schedule in the process is laid out in there and so i can answer any questions that you have let me do one last thing here though and say where it's being advertised it's being trust and they'll be looking at that and then we debated someone advertising in the boston globe but he said he's for a new wing infor great in a way when he's had a lot of success with the boston globe so he put it we said fine put it in the boston globe a that's that's it he's putting it on the m r i website obviously one of the other issues that came up that we discussed was are we going to we being essex town in essex junction are we going to be advertising this position are we going to be putting it in in the newspaper next and i said no we're not we are assuming that m r i has been hired to do this job and they are going to be handling all of that we are not going to  be trying to you know ask for resumes ourselves we don't want to go there we don't want to get involved in it we wanted the entire thing to be handled by m r i so that was a probably a bit of an executive decision but i think i think we both sort of assumed that we kind of understood what you guys were thinking so that's what we did we decided and i'll stop there in case you have any questions or we good any questions for george so  also keep a list of their jobs that you're doing in the status of the job so people who are interested in you know m r i in new england will look at them look at what they have posted and see whether or not they'd like members knew this i wasn't aware that just a brain down from the chairs would be asked for i think that it was i think if you wanted if you wanted to do the same thing i think it'd be welcome he just wanted to start the ball rolling  survey i don't know if you i do this you know so i think i think if you look at the survey want you'll see it's asking the same so it's pretty much asking the same question it's anonymous and different  welcoming anything we send him and say to him so i don't think he's trying to be selective but he said you know this was our very first conference call and he said before you go i'd like to ask you both you guys to do this and i went right home and did it  and because that's the kind of stuff i do max was a little more you know wise and reluctant about it so i just shut it off so but i don't think he'd have a problem with it but i think if you look at the survey he's asking pretty much the same questions if you go through the survey i just got a different sense of the president of the village trustees are speaking for oh no i want to know now that he doesn't know you know i mean that i just dodges weirded me out and that's why i presented these old minutes where i was spanked comments that in future deliberations over the two halves of the challenge she would like to be represented by someone who lives in it not outside of it particularly when the  judge oh i think they'll i think i would assume that they'll first of all they'll they'll help they should have an opportunity to present their voice but i think i i think this i tried to make it clear that this was really this was from me he wasn't asking me to speak on behalf of the trustees or the village government or anything he was just saying from george from your perspective what do you see what do you think is the big thing going on here and i think if he got a similar communication from irene or from sue he'd be fine with that too but we were there he asked us i responded no i just i just wish in the future when those things come up with you and our executive search firm that both chairs would forward to their boards this is what i'm doing this is why but feel free to when yourself like maybe more communication than waiting till after you've submitted something and then it becomes just something on our agenda because i think there needs to be more interaction  that's some of these things i mean the whole not just that but also with the survey some of the survey questions it the issue at that point was well what when we're talking about executing the contract is this come under the broad definition of  executing the contract or not and if we had said well look at there are some you know we're not sure we want to advertise in the boston globe and we're not sure about some of the survey questions so let's not answer these now let's wait two weeks until we have our you know then where then we could really be slowing the process down so i guess that's the thing it's a sort of we took a bit of a gamble there and that's what i'm saying is that we try to accelerate it but i have a feeling that that looking at the survey looking at what what the process he's got laid out i don't see that there are any one's going to feel that they've been left out it all helps so i just i just was taking a little bit of back to see so much work having been done and i personally hundred p from your max maybe other people did but i felt like the slang word had been left out of the loop as to what had been going on from last summer and weeks well we could probably we could probably send all of the emails i mean there was a huge florrie and then and then it's sort of because we wanted to get the the advertising you know that we wanted it to get him to get started on the survey one of the things that we could do it's certainly possible is we could see see everybody on the e mails but you have to be you have to swear that you're not going to respond and get into a conversation with us because then we're having it online meetings and we don't want to be doing that so we sort of said well let's let's instead of you know tempting ourselves in going there and and  encouraging potentially an online conversation let's just save up all the stuff that we have and then and then we'll read it all in a meeting but you know why don't we why don't we discuss this at our next joint meeting if you we're just still pretty early in the process so if you think that you folks want to be more engaged and have a have this flurry of e mails coming in to you we can probably arrange to have that happen so but let's let's talk about it at our next meeting and c and c and because i'm going to be making the same presentation with the trustees tomorrow night and they may have some some comments or reservations too remembered it was with a j and then a couple places and not in the contract i mean the contract doesn't include as also as long as they got the contract right yeah yeah let me say i don't know why that would have happened but it is just and so i don't committee was requesting feedback on the documents from all the legislative bodies who are involved at this point so we're made some comments that were given to charlie at that meeting we need to  attached as well so it is recommended that you review the list of comments made in the twenty first and  and number four starts with page ten section nineteen says mr watts recommended there be a fifteen percent requirement for the reserve fund i believe i said the fifteen percent maximum for the r fund so i'd like to correct that requirement to max and could please comes back to you for a final vote and they were generally at one point when the early meetings or somebody said that not all of the comments be included by the joint study committee so i think it behooves you to hang on to the documents here or remember what you said and determine how important you thought things were for that last me k i believe this requires action on the part of the select board if i'm not mistaken people when the census happens in the few years there are j s coordinator would sort of be overseeing this but she'd be parsing the work out to the regional planning commission which is often to do it for the towns are kind of the have more expertise than us on this they can do it more efficiently but basically by participating in the in the loop of process it just makes the census go more smoothly for the town for the government u s government when it goes through and census is helpful in terms of providing grants federal funding help from a planning standpoint or local standpoint just in terms of tracking population demographics all those types of information that come in handy when doing government work the census bureau is looking at when they look at the town of essex it sounds like the outside the village and nobody that i know looks at the outside the village portion of the town as a separate entity it's curious to me i'd have to double check into it my that the village has been offered or request had had the same request from us census the other questions for greg greg i think you're going to talk to us next about the winter months or maintenance agreement you may remember from a couple months back ballpoint one acre parcel quintilian circle that the town owned and didn't want to maintain anymore because resident offered to take it over maintain it neighbor at their town we did a research looks like we own it the state told us we research so it's still a little bit unclear issue but the quickest and cleanest way at this point based on opinion of the town attorney recommendation for the journey is to grant a license agreement to the clippers to allow them reached there i just feel like we spent hours on this and it's just we have more important things to do i mean this is important don't get me wrong but we have gone around in circles on this i want to get it done if we can get it done but i don't want to do that at the expense of anybody having let's give sue the opportunity to ask her question so the the stipulation about you know no not cutting down trees or whatever without having the tree warden review and approve how does it get you andy yes for taking questions the it's the sense centers around if the coopers sell the property it's some point in the future and we've all forgotten about this agreement and new owners of the coopers property continue to maintain the property without a license is there any concern on the town's part of the town wanted to amuse her in iowa then she wanted to come down and we could come reference between those two whenever the coopers property sold it would trigger some sort of cross reference that said this other piece of property is somehow entangled here that the sorry to during th with the title or renegotiate ok so there's some sort of cross linkage that would flag the fact that there's a secondary agreement that may need to be discussed ok at the club i mean it's pretty it's a paper record right a form where they flag what is changing from already posted the policy because you know i did read through the whole thing but i probably didn't need to because most of it was probably existing not changed i do have a question go ahead in the front page so the eight items are that i have is there listed number eight says state collection of funds assessed to implement state wide goals but then  section one zero one on page two item number four says maintaining billing and collection of state education property tax of the local level i'm just questioning whether staff has any concern and those two seem to contradict each other one says that if it's for a state wide goal it should be collected by the state and then the other one says that property school taxes should because i have a question and page nine ball at number five under law enforcement issues and tainting the independent status and function that we decide to participate in that those that have anything to do or any impact positive or negative on this was that didn't materialize and i wasn't sure whether that was a direct quote from someone in my earlier that was an assumption made from my colleagues the other point is that   stand the question right the mine communication boards throughout the state have a certain jurisdiction that they would be responsible for in some policymaking a bit ability or story and we we would only worry about one and that's the one and county areas i don't know of knowing that it would take what seven or eight nine different ok i don't believe this is a an action item that requires a motion i think we just fulfilled our marching orders thank you for representing  maybe quarter mile half mile north of the intersection of towers road going to be just a private drive but needs a new street name the developer is looking for smoke bush line that united one coordinator in the fire chief both approved that name and so looking for for a project located at fifty cheap in r bit to the definitions that are listed in there kind of that are laid out some steps as to when considering a conflict of interest may or may not exist and how board members of the board or other boards commissions  questions for greg and yeah article eight there was remember day there's a comment in there that says after taking actions listed  all six and seven public officers whether appointed or elected shall declare whether they were recuse themselves and explain the basis for that decision while the next very next paragraph says otherwise public officer share recuse themselves  under consideration of public office or their e q says oneself may explain the basis for that decision but is not required to do so i think it seems to me those two statements are directly conflicting so i guess i would suggest taking the second one how i think it would be very good practice to have people explain whether recusing themselves in public meeting appointed officer to recuse oneself in spite of a conflict of interest may be grounds for discipline or removal from office my question is how is it determined whether who  decides whether there's been a conflict of interest in an interview with lack of refusal to give a couple of ways that come to mind one is if other members on that board an appointed that social media policy the planning commission may recommend that the board remove that member from the claymation something that effect in which case it would still go up to the select board and you could go through the steps and review that and determine if it's grounds for dismissal or not thinking others another option would be if he was a select board paying attention to the other boards where members of that appointed to other boards if you start to see something that's an issue then you can take steps to address that and then there's article levin in the draft policy here lays out some potential steps about the chair of a board meeting informally in private with the officer to discuss possible conflict of interest  then going on from there in terms of discussing it at a meeting in executive session or outside of executive session if the the offending officer allegedly offending officer wants to have it in public that can happen and then taking steps from there in terms of public censure recommendation for their elected official say elected or appointed whether it's a recommendation that the elected official resign or if it's an appointed member of a board it's like board can choose to remove that person you know i worry about the process of making that decision but i guess it could be a case by case basis if i have concerns about how a issue was raised i can certainly raise that question during the discussion and say i have concerns about where this information came from or so so forth but so little uncomfortable with an investigation into whether or not conflict of interests breach occurred violation occurred so that affected my be surprised if this board or any other future board just acted without doing a little bit of investigation and taking hearsay at its word without actually meeting with the alleged offender and trying to do some research and figure out what the potential offenses that we can try to clarify that i don't know maybe it's not necessary and what others thin involved here although they are not stated but there are implied that there's the conflict of interest then there's a perceived conflict of interest and that in and of itself would generate a discussion because some actions which may you know of themselves not be a direct conflict of interests would certainly give the appearance of such and that would be something that would be a teaching moment more than a discipline moment of some some sorts and that would at least give the notion that everybody's paying and most department heads in the town manager they all have a code of ethics based upon their profession which is really kind of vicious on those on those points i mean there's self flagellation in the managers in the b b so they're up on these matters so we pay pretty close attention to it and then pass that on to the organizations but it's still good to have a policy to the point  request that the offending public officer resign from the board and then later under the enforcement against appointed  officers about mid point it starts with in addition to or in lieu of any of these steps a select board may choose to remove an appointed officer from office subject to state law so unless you cannot force one of your colleagues to resign from the board eleven b is appointed officers so your point you can point you can take it the way i got it thank you sorry yes please so sure thank you also under eleven day one the chair show me informally in private with the public office r to discuss the possible conflict of interest violation what if it's the chair that has the conflict of interest by lation with i surely do we need to stipulate that it's a good catch and never should have a single point of truth and the article tan the last phrase says or or remain physically present in the room this is a discussion with when someone refuses themself says sit on the board deliver it with the board to participate in the proceeding as a board member member in any capacity or remain physically present in the room this this applies to elected and appointed officials according to this i believe i'm i'm a little concerned with telling people that they have to leave a public meeting i understand and recognize that it's good practice to leave the room but question i have is do we want to require need this this language isn't used in the model one from from the d l c t i think they they they say that it's leaving the room is optional so that's why i'm part of why i'm asking the question in the other so we've done our practice and it was always been our practice but just want to make sure that the board agrees that it should be our policy because i know of cases any commission where something involves  commissioners neighborhood commission area cues themselves and certainly it sits in the audience and participates as and as an interested party because it's happening in their neighborhood may not have those documents for them and either that or it's bad leadership you even when you don't have to if you're stuck just using the word admonishing again you know he needs to be respectful needs to be mean to be do we need to have those kind of words there somewhere as that in our our other policy of rules or regulations for order to conduct a business anything else for greg you know ok i would entertain a motion so sorry what is maybe i'll wait till after the i'm sure but what are what are we doing here we can we present a policy in this meeting and vote on it in this meeting or do we need to vote on in the next meeting but the rules regulations before this one but we talk about that this one and that i think is enough change is there substantive enough that you should prove it i'll take go back and make some the changes i've heard tonight and presented discussion that was held back in april about your comments on this in tragic corporate them really no huge changes to this one it's a lot of the more than getting rid of the gender specific pronouns and switching over those to gender neutral treated with respect the on that is mostly just some magical stuff clean up on and emotions and votes in the last page number ten specifying as we move towards tablets the near future of should devices are exempt from the recommendation of against using cellphones and other handheld devices and the number eleven but any just brought up policy amendments that are not substantial may be acted upon at the same meeting interesting are introduced but they've used their own technology for years here in this room so i think it's appropriate that we make sure that it's an inclusive statement and not an exclus were made in my opinion ridiculous rules several years ago for political reasons doesn't mean that something like ten has to stand forever other committees have used laptop computers for a very long time in this room and the slipper to get on board with that and not have such  language in my opinion on this document i would take that one step further and just say it needs to be the same policy across the board so we either change it to include  the we take it out and we don't do them but to have committees making up their own rules on what they're going to be able to bring to meetings and stuff i don't think is the best policy in my view electronic device it should be for the purpose of the meeting right and the second sentence is fine as it stands i think that was the original will but it got corrupted in my opinion by adding the first sentence because we've always said that people's phone should be down if i use a calculator during the budget session off of my phone because that's the most convenient way who are you or anybody else to tell me not to you i mean it doesn't make any sense if they have to be  and i would say during the public works meeting i did bring my laptop because i could you know we didn't have everything hard copy right and right but it was a more productive way of handling it it wasn't a distraction they are going to repair it is the intent of the slip or to exercise the authority and trust vested in us in it as a representative body to conduct the affairs of the public as a deems on the merit of the information before it is in the best interest of the town of essex and the majority of its residents but i kind of don't understand why we need the majority of i think we're just representing its residents and i think if you know if a you know smaller subset of residents have a very valid issue or a point we should be representing  in that trick it probably goes to the the old the notion of the greatest good for the greatest number a representative democracy or majority rule around and trying to isolate whether one neighborhood has a real problem that the rest of the community doesn't it doesn't exclude you from diving into the issue and solving their problems and i don't think that was the intent here but what purpose does the majority of serve there but he may benefit by what's done for a small group i mean i didn't write it i take no off the authorship of priority purpose here but because i'm more comfortable with the best interest of the town of essex and its residents so that would be my recommendation to scratch the idea open for discussion the chair and manager soon as it is practically practicable by telephone doesn't need to be by telephone and why ok so i would say that we might have avenues that are more without saying but we ran into lots of issues with this last year i'd like to say somewhere preferably in the conduct of meetings around number three that the chair must act in an impartial manner if any select board of member objects to the chairs  because if we can't be impartial as chairs then we shouldn't be chairs and that's from a former chair and i don't see it anywhere else in this document so i think it's wise things we understood until we see it breached and then we don't have a rule against it because we assume that people are going to behave if they don't for now they want some of my friends to impartial right  the chair and you have to get all these various comments you also have the right that's twenty percent of the board to have an opinion and to differ from any one or more of those comments as well i think that part of the concern was well from my standpoint at some of the meetings and please correct me if i'm wrong because i said i do think but i think going back to how we interact with each other as members of the business we do it in formal settings such as a room like this there's no marble steps leading up to it you know put our hands on the conduct for all of us and all of our town discussions so impartiality it might might be hard we did you know we value differences  what we believe in and sometimes that passion shows in the value more i don't have a problem with putting my pen i'm just started doing it again i'm sorry so i would just ask for maybe a different word and trying to live up to impartial and who would be the judge of that of yours that's why i said if someone of jackson's as excuse me you're not being partial and that came up over and over and over again at last you're sessions people are saying excuse me as the chair you cannot be speaking about this issue in this manner and that was ignored and people felt it was the norm people felt there wasn't impartiality and it happened repeatedly and because that was not just a one time hoops or something that just one person noticed but was having a predetermine bias kind of thing it's just as if if we're going to consider the possibility of asking the chair to turn the gavel over to somebody else during a meeting what happens if the vice chair then exhibits humans how would you handle the situation if it was a neighborhood meeting or questions about it point out what is what the fences and why it was felt that way and what would be appropriate for future discussions and check in to just as our chair likes to say but you know seize the opportunity for the teaching moment to occur at the time it's going on it has the greatest impact six months later four months later two weeks later maybe not so much because so much has happened in the interim but we try to at the time i mean we're good name of empty so therefore i waited till now a year later lot of fight this because it was such a huge and egregious and repetitive problem said certain people in the audience and therefore i'm trying to do it at the appropriate time and where the reason we're not biased or impartial i'm impartial as to what the language is just so that the meaning is clarified and yes of asio the speaker the house next and then you know i don't care where the gavel goes the point is it can be passed all around in many towns people take turns being chair for just that reason to give people a chance to be impartial as well as to be biased about certain topics it's highly appropriate to do that we don't tend to do that in essex that's not our tradition but perhaps we can try something new and i am reminded of one of the footnotes that was actually in the in the other policy the the the model policy from v l t see the conflict of interest one more word says that elected officials are only beholden to the voters and that other select board members and this is the reason why you can't you know the slug board can't remove it and part of the reason why it's like burke can't remove one of their members is they're elected directly by the people and so i don't think that restrict what other members of the that it's not just an opinion and you know jump on it but where there is you know due diligence that someone has been spouting in a very biased way and there has been input from the public and in the conversation from the public and from the board saying you know we are hearing a bias and we should not be doing that and it's and it's ignored so i think in the instance where there is the attempt to correct and there isn't that i think that there should be some sort of a you know in our conduct of meetings that there should be some reference to in this instance you know this is you are not conducting yourself an appropriate way if i don't agree to accepting the additional modifications is not clear to me what those additional modifications are and i don't agree with taking the gavel away from the chair during me and correct me if i'm wrong but i don't think we agreed as a body that we voted that someone is going to be giving being forced to give up the ga think it was made as a suggestion but i don't believe it was so voted on or accepted but it's so used the words in the additional amendments and as it's not clear to me what those are in this we can specifically say what they are you know i think i think we should do what we did with the previous agenda item and leave it leave it leave the language broad to include the amendments that gregg presented to us tonight plus and make some reference to the suggestions that were made tonight for additional amendments that the collective i think i think i've heard we preferred exactly what the issue is how you would force it is a little bit separate than what we're going to come back to you with the the issue is bias and objectivity and impartiality when you're leaving the discussion as the role of the chair is what happens if you don't like that or it's a riot or that it's really up to you and you can figure out anything you want but what will come back with it will give you the point to have the discussion and say look we've all agreed upon this this is part of our our conduct how we run an orderly meeting underscore the word orderly and that also means being able to look on the audience when people are getting a little ruly and interrupting the speaker in the audience as it says someplace that the chair also has to do which  lates the chair from the audience and you and staff and everybody but as long as the chair understands that's the jargon and and how to do it correctly in them properly and on the highroad is what you are asking and that's a that's a fair point  will come back with language and maybe to look around to what we already have elsewhere and record a fight here is well it's it's a good point because we're still in the discussion part of this i'm probably going to vote against this as well but i'm going to suggest that another motion be made with different language that allows for the suggestion that i made or if somebody can come up with something better by all means do it but i'd like and like the final my my own personal view is i would like the final motion to say that we are going to take this up again after staff comes back to us with the amendments that they made plus the ones that we suggested we do have a question because this is exactly the same motion that we just made on the other on the conduct business not business i'm sorry kind of conflict of interest and in that instance we also  additional suggestions for modifications that we it's going to be handled the same way i guess is what i was trying to say so why would we do this one defiling i thought the language in this one was different than the first one i wouldn't disagree with that i just thought the language in the motion was a little bit different than the first time through i had no problems with the first one to accept the amendments an additional amount of thank you for the content  now i suppose that if we view whatever comes back the next time we see this as substantial changes for months in this today we can choose not to approve it anyway because of the fact that we've agreed that we're and then will change the heat of mr levy because now we're switching speakers again and then at one sixty one after that period mr baker obviously agree the citizens could petition but he was wrong so i'd like insert mrs raynor pointed to the whereas at the bottom of page one as well as section twenty two a which made it mandatory for boards to warn a vote and remove the right of residents to do so with a petition max called that i think that's it for that  eighty five so at the very bottom of page five or two of four to a five that my comment was so confirmed for miss cook that the new components are expected to have an increased life expectancy period it wasn't about the security cameras it was that the component was a better component then what was  what did he say he said he didn't know you say we pass eleven irene or seventy two please i forget insert after the first or the only of the words first line of that so that it says is wrong or else is just the word come to should be removed from the first line of the resolution anything else on page eleven page twelve and page thirteen all those in favor of the excepting the minutes of the anything i'm checked warrants from the twenty fifth september first and september eight and rather than go through all of these individually is there anything else in the consent agenda andrew i may have answered my own question is effective september fourteenth i was going to ask when carmichael street going to close and says effective twenty september twenty up those a smiley face happy happy news and then on the upcoming meetings product over second i had a note that there were some energy committee and that was the  by the municipal budgeting workshop being held by the team i don't i can't recall if any of us have ever attended that but in the end i don't know that we've ever done one person to represent the anything else in the consent to gentlefolks you're ready i'm ready to make a move that the slip would make the specific finding that premature general public knowledge of the slip board's position concerning the proposed public official appointments would place the town at a substantial select board enter into executive session to discuss the proposed public official points pursuant to one b s a three thirteen a three to include the manager and the  think you should and i mean all those in favor i opposed ocean passes so i have just one question dr shepherd you have anything or were you just here because you didn't get a better offer