o'clock citizens input topics not really interest paid by the chair forty eight hours in advance of meeting seven o five child sexual abuse committee discussion of vote of new member nancy stockwell the filmmaker los position seven fifteen finance director acceptance of bond offering bill seven thirty five n p s l l c public hearing discussion vote on coldplay application seven forty five foxboro commission on disability sue collins discussion vote on appointment of james mone seven fifty five economic development committee discussion vote on spending of funds eight o five peregrine third green energy group municipal electric aggregation eight fifteen serving you and just quickly in a discussion she served it was was an easy leave for her as she was one of the founding members and when we're trying to figure out the whole process of mandated reporters and different processes she shared all the information that she had with how she does stuff at the senior center and kind of brought us up to the new level of awareness so that was it was a it's tough to see her go but she did great work while she was there oh she made second  vicki if you're out there thank you for your service all those in favor i've been here and she's wonderfully great and just that i was at the meeting where they discuss this and you know it you haven't lived in town very very long and that you just ambitious to help in any way she could and she had good resources and good experience and i say this committee that they work on is probably one of the most important ones that we have in foxborough and i'm looking forward to the work that she has together with the committee well it's a great committee and it's great leadership so a good addition all those in favor say welcome thank you thank you ok back on schedule o everything that they've done to contribute and help us put us in that position i think that the the ad the advisory committee work that they've done over the years as well as those boards select ministers various board of selectmen school committee sort of in the in the in the water the water so commission who just recently signed on the the financial policies what sort of the final piece of the puzzle that need to get done before we can reach this this moment tonight so and and i i would like of course and i'm sure  is really got everybody every policy policymaker president passed on all the different all the different boards and all the leadership that's been provided on school townsite over the many years it has bill said it was it didn't just happen overnight it's something that the town's been doing for a long time and we just added one little extra in creating it with the financial policy season thank you for endorsing those on the boards and committees actually i would like to introduce you to frazier's managing director of first southwest vision of hilltop securities and he's been our financial advisor for some time and peter actually did a comparison for us  benchmark of harrison for us about a year and a half ago comparing us to other aaa rated communities and i think he really showed us the way that you know we had all the financial dynamics to get there and then and then we we finally got the policy piece  together which which was that the final piece needed but really reflection of the whole community everything between has been doing for for many years and if we see here as well just wanted to just first for for collectively are both of our offerings the town hall offering and the water treatment plant offering the bids were relatively tight range got two point five one eight to two point six two  america was the merrill lynch was that was the high so certainly peter and i would say we wish you could actually take credit for the for and lisa for the for the very low yields these are clearly historic yields not just for us these are clearly the lowest yields that will pay on long term bonds i had paid but it just in the the world and in the country and you know peter was sharing with me what would the folks and in his company we're talking about the lowest you know it's not good news for a lot of the world because it's a reflection of a weak economy worldwide but it certainly was you know a two for one having the highest credit quality that you can have which is by the way a notch higher than the u s government at the moment right now you being aaa and they being a plus but the combination of that as strong as you can be from a credit standpoint and the rates as low as they've literally ever been and this is the largest issue i think that the town's undertaken at least in the twenty some odd years that i've been working with the ground so you know it's sort of the perfect storm in terms of those those factors and for the next thirty years of the town will be benefiting from these very low interest rates and so it's it's it's a thrill for me and as i said been working i've had the privilege of working with the town for over twenty years and for you guys you've always been strong and well managed but you know this is sort of the byproduct of a lot of hard work and a lot of tough decisions that have been made and finally getting this last piece of the puzzle in place as you noted your key and said this is really terrific very interesting things that that's happening with interest rates around around the world which may be startling to some people and if you want to share some of that well it's one of the things is you know we're right now interest rates are at all time lows here in the united states but it in many of the central banks throughout the world the world interest rates are negative now so we're we're sort of in uncharted territory and again and again it's largely a byproduct of the fact that the the global economy is so weak but again what it what it's created is an opportunity for for the town right now to walk in these rates right so we'll actually get a return on these investments in the bond holders we have on the other like the governments and many of the other countries will actually give back less on the investments the the the issues themselves i just want to break them down for the for the board is two point five one eight was the interest rate associated with the composite  the offering but the town hall portion of the offering the six point eight six million that actually received the total interest cost a bit of two point one eight percent  which is that the lowest that we've ever seen on a twenty year bond and the pumping station road water treatment plant project which is a thirty year issue received two point six two percent rate blended two point two point five one eight and as far as the the savings you know the question is probably on most people's minds of a lot of the triple a get us i believe in peter correct me if i'm mistaken i believe it's probably somewhere between ten or twenty five basis points is what that got us versus if we had a job away so if it was twenty five basis points that we got on this issue that's worth about a million dollars in interest savings at the low end of that say ten basis points still about four hundred thousand dollars in interest savings to the community so but actually the the the bigger savings story from my perspective is how we did to plan of the town hall was budgeted for a three percent interest rate and so the savings associated with this right now saves five hundred ninety five thousand over the twenty years and that's included debt projects so that's actually you know a good news for budgets but the bigger savings is actually with the water issue sixteen and a half million the interest rate savings with that we assume the three and a half percent we have to would we have to go out again to rebid the bond you know that there was the way it works is these underwriting firms that there you've you see that there's seven bids that you receive but it actually represents a number more underwriting firms that get together and syndicates with one we that would put in the bid but basically what they're doing is they're they're giving you the money in exchange for these bonds that we hope you'll be signing later on and those those bonds are then sold to individuals to money funds to all sorts of folks and so it really doesn't matter what happens to janni or any of these other firms after you receive the money which is going to be in a week or two so so there's no exposure to the side of the tail and the other aspect of these bonds or they they have a ten  year term that you're fixed they have to pay the debt service but if something happened let's say interest rates got even lower which is highly unlikely but at the ten year point you can actually refinance you can take in make that happen but but the nice thing is the flexibility to refinance is all the towns nobody can tell you to do it or make you do it but the town if the economic conditions were right you could do ok thank  one other point i wanted to make is that i know you see that the form of vote in front of you and i alluded to the fact that the coupon rates that you're seeing associated with the bond payments are higher than these two point numbers that we're talking about and there's a there's a reason for that it's because in this market we receive what's called a bond premium you know from the bond buyers which basically putting cash in the towns coffers in this case here it's about one point two seven five million and we hold that and then we use that to to defray our interest costs over the twenty and thirty years so the net to the town is actually the interest rate that  quoted here what was what was bid so that that's the dynamics of how how that works we actually have three other bonds will we have that the same dynamics going on the high school librarian want treatment plan i don't know if anybody any questions about about that but certainly  to explain of the bond premium and and the basis for that sure that there just to get sort of everybody on the same page imagine a hundred dollar loan at five percent i'm going to loan you that money you're go one hundred five dollars a year from now so that that's at five now if instead of giving you one hundred dollars at the beginning i gave you one hundred four and you paid me back a hundred five gets that that th that four dollars would represent the premium your net cost would have only be one percent right because you have to pay me back one hundred five but i've given you not just one hundred that you're borrowing but an extra four dollars and so this premium is if you think of it that way here you've stated interest rates that appear on the bonds are slightly higher than the market and the underwriters are providing you with cash upfront to offset that if you applied a little bit complicated but essentially it's pretty it's for tax purposes and for the remarketing of the bonds because when interest rates are very low and they rise the  bond holders would then have to sell their bonds at a discount less than the face amount if they held to the second or the buyer held it to maturity they'd have to pay capital gains tax on the difference between what they paid for and the maturity the approach and your history and the fact that they are so low and how strengthened by the discussion that i can imagine seven hundred years but i'll take your word for it i guess right here yeah i know you know my to say i differ with that i just don't have ability in my head self and i'm putting it in your on your lap here right i think i think the fact that you know we we budgeted x and we came in at y and we were going to realize a combined savings of two point seven million dollars in interest payments versus what was budgeted i think it is is outstanding the one question actually had to question that a question of regarding the premium which which you answered thank you i had a question regarding the spread between the double a plus and you wanted to tha i had another question i forget it  the town certify that at a meeting of the board held june fourteenth twenty sixteen of which meeting all members of the board were duly notified and at which quorum was present the following votes were  passed all of which appear upon the official record of the board in my custody voted that the sale of the twenty three million three hundred sixty thousand general obligation me municipal purpose loan of twenty sixteen bonds of the town dated june twenty eighth two thousand and sixteen for the bonds to janney montgomery scott l l c at the price of twenty four million six hundred thirty five thousand four hundred thirty seven dollars and fifty four cents and accrued interest if any is here by approved and confirmed the board shall be payable on may fifteenth of the years in the princip amounts and bear the interest at their respective rates as follows your twenty seventeen eight hundred ninety five thousand dollars two percent here twenty eighteen eight hundred ninety five thousand dollars at three percent year twenty nineteen eight hundred ninety five thousand dollars at three percent year twenty twenty eight hundred ninety five thousand dollars at four percent year twenty twenty one eight hundred ninety five thousand dollars at one point five percent a year twenty twenty two eight hundred ninety five thousand dollars at four percent year twenty twenty three eight hundred ninety five thousand dollars four percent here twenty twenty four eight hundred ninety five thousand dollars four percent year twenty twenty five eight hundred ninety five thousand dollars or four percent or twenty twenty six eight hundred ninety five thousand dollars at four year twenty twenty seven eight hundred ninety five thousand dollars four percent a year twenty twenty eight eight hundred ninety five thousand dollars at two percent here twenty twenty nine eight hundred ninety at two point two five percent twenty thirty one eight hundred ninety three thousand dollars two point three seven five percent or twenty thirty two hundred ninety thousand dollars at three point zero percent or twenty thirty three eight hundred ninety thousand dollars at three point zero percent year twenty thirty four eight hundred ninety thousand dollars at three point zero percent year twenty thirty five eight hundred ninety thousand dollars at three point zero percent here twenty thirty six eight hundred ninety thousand dollars at three point zero percent year twenty forty one two million seven hundred fifty thousand dollars at three point zero percent twenty forty six two point two million seven hundred fifty thousand dollars at three point zero percent for the voted the bonds maturing on may fifteenth twenty forty one and may fifteenth twenty forty six each a term bond shall be subject to mandatory redemption or mature as follows term bond you may fifteenth twenty forty one year twenty thirty seven five hundred fifty thousand dollars here twenty thirty eight five hundred fifty thousand dollars here twenty thirty nine five hundred fifty thousand dollars year twenty forty five hundred fifty thousand dollars and year twenty twenty forty one five hundred fifty thousand dollars year twenty forty one being the final maturity term bond do may fifteenth twenty five twenty forty six year twenty forty two five hundred fifty thousand dollars year twenty forty three five hundred fifty thousand dollars year twenty forty four five hundred fifty thousand dollars here twenty forty five five hundred fifty thousand dollars and here twenty forty six five hundred fifty thousand dollars year twenty forty six being the final maturity further voted that in connection with the marketing and sale of the bonds the preparation and distribution of a notice of sale and preliminary official statement dated june sixth twenty sixteen and a final fishel statement date dated june thirteenth tw the official statement each in such form as may be approved by the town treasurer and be here by and town treasurer b and here by ratified confirmed and approved and adopted further voted that the bonds shall be subject to redemption at the option of the town upon such terms and conditions as i have set forth in the official statement further voted that the town treasurer and the of selectmen be and here hereby are authorized to execute and deliver a continuing disclosure undertaking in compliance with f c c rule fifteen c to dash twelve  such form as may be approved by bond council to the town which undertaking shall be incorporated by reference in the bonds for the benefit of the holders of the bonds from time to time further voted that we authorize and direct the treasurer to establish post insurance federal tax compliance procedures in such form as the treasurer in the bond council deem sufficient or if sus such procedures are currently in place to review and update said procedures in order to monitor and maintaining the tax exempt status of the bonds further voted that each member of the board of selectmen the town clerk and the town treasurer of b and here by are authorized to take any and all such actions and execute and deliver such certificates receipts or other documents as may be determined by them or any of them to be necessary or convenient to carry into effect the provisions of the foregoing votes i further certify that the votes were taken at meeting open to the public that no vote was taken by secret ballot that a notice stating that the place date time and agenda for the meeting which the gender included the adoption of the above votes was filed with the town clerk and a copy thereof posted in  constitutionally visible to the public at all hours in or on the municipal building at the office of the town clerk is located or if applicable in accordance with the alternative method  notice prescribed or approved by the attorney general attorney general set forth in nine forty c m s twenty nine point zero three to be at least forty eight hours not including saturdays sundays and legal holidays prior to the time of the meeting and remain so posted at the time of the meeting that deliberations are just in connection with the three in chapter one thirty six section four town of revised general bylaws article five six and section six and also stadium rules and regulations will conduct a public hearing on tuesday june fourteenth twenty sixteen beginning at seven thirty five in the fox rice school media center to review the application submitted by m p s l l c for the coldplay head full of dreams tour concert this event is proposed for gillette stadium application for this event is on file at the office of selectmen all interested parties are welcome to attend w so again jeremy smith to us stadium and i here before you to request approval of the license application for a concert actual us stadium on saturday july thirtieth as mentioned that concert is called plays head full of dreams tour as you may recall coldplay headlined the super bowl fifty were talking about the band in their upcoming tour and you know how great it would be to have them come to gillette stadium and play to have coldplay play there so one thing led to another and before you knew it chris was shaking hands with us on a deal to play this tour this summer here so i thought that was a pretty neat how organically that concert came to be and why i'm here today so obviously the band's very excited to play here and we're we're thrilled to have them as for the details of the concert there a meant as a live nation production and so as such will be working with live nation through their cambridge office will be again using al dot li as the production manager he's the same production company that we use for the majority of our concerts so no change the concerts scheduled to start at eight p m with a requested and time of eleven fifteen so keeping in line with the curfew stadium gates will open at seven and as we do with all of our vents will work which she folded and public safety officials  on determining and establishing opening times for the parking lots we are requesting that put in parkway will be open and available for public safety officials and sweet and club attendees who also again be using the taxi stand which as you probably know has been up and running for the past three years and been very successful tickets for this concert range from twenty nine fifty to one hundred seventy nine fifty they went on sale two days before the band super bowl fifty performance and sold out very quickly there was actually a lot of demand here for this show to probably do a second date we just weren't able to make it work from a scheduling perspective between the stadium and the band so sticking to the one date for this year without concert selling out we're expecting a crowd of about fifty thousand we're anticipating a more mature and low key audience that ranges in age from twenty five to fifty five and older so with that demographic  plenty norm staffing levels after the event and he has said that he does not anticipate any significant issues with the show and then just a final quick note on the tour itself they are currently in europe they'll be performing the next few nights in on and then they'll start the u s leg of their tour on july sixteenth coming to the stadium here on july thirtieth as we typically do for all of our concerts and arse other stadium events will communicate with those other venues that are hosting this tour and i'll be sure to know chairperson of the fax for a commission on disability it's nice to see a lot of you i saw you at the founders day parade and it was great we had our and we were in the fifth position and we were marching with super awesome who got our above and beyond award and she was thrilled and we had way over twenty kids she was up those you know her kids and  buddies and they had a great time gently handing candy to a spectator self and it was great so tonight i'm here to recommend james mullen to join our commission unfortunately lucy earhart had to resign because she is taking a position with children with autism and adults with autism i should say so we're very fortunate to have jim he's worked in the psychological department at the wrentham developmental center for many years and he's provided psychological services to adults with developmental disabilities and he just retired last month so we're very fortunate that he can donate  bill seven fifty three this is not a public your i think we can go ahead of schedule economic development committee discussion vote on spending funds development committee regarding the fire station project and there's been a lot of good exchange of ideas and i think that the committee has really come up with a great approach now and pages kindly put it into an organized fashion for us so i'm going to have page present the information but i just want to give page a shout out once again for all the hard work that she has done f as a result of the auction of the fire station property in december it actually was actually a helpful process because what it made us realize is that it's important for the town to identify what the community wants for that project the auction was a great idea and it worked but it also showed that there were different ideas of what it was how that project would best suit the community so we think that it would be a good idea for the community start developing what we want and the master plan discussed some you know it's a first floor retailer preferably a restaurant with residential above but there's been some discussion you know is it six residential units or is it thirty residential units and what's acceptable to the community and to the area so that's been sort of we're trying to the end goal of you know coming up with a vision for that property the other discussion and we've been having is that we feel that the unknowns are depressing the value you know we all talk about the sewer connection that's required and we don't really have a good handle as far as i know and we know on a number and we are talking to the development community before and after the auction those unknowns really made the development community shy away from the project and everybody sort of said well we might throw a hundred or two hundred thousand towards it but we couldn't risk much more and it would be helpful for us to know and i think we that's my first bullet item here is sewer we don't really have the ability on the e t c to resolve that and we just like to suggest that we'll work with the water and sewer commission and roger hill and just really work through trying to come up with a better number at least if we need to do some exploration at least figure out what that number is so we can do a cost benefit on what how much information we we need the other thing we had an intern for a few weeks and one of the tasks i gave her was to start looking at a build out for that site to start doing that exercise i talked about and one of the things we realised when she was doing that is that the areas that we have on the assessors database don't match the dimensions of the area that we're looking at so that made us realize that the base plan we're working with we don't know we might be several thousand square feet off and when you're talking about small property like that that obviously has an effect on parking and square footage so that brings me to my second point which is the group agreed that we need a good base plan to work off of we have the benefit of current three d laser scan so that he says that we can do our topography from that but what his scan doesn't do is property line so we're asking for some funds to allow us to have a survey done to get a meets and bounds property line description that will be augmented with curt's three d topography and then we'll have at least a good base plan to work from and then also again had said that he thinks he could get some graduate students to work with us on developing some renderings or some build out yield plans because that's our ultimate goal is to come up with the yield plan so the community knows what we have to work with what we're offering you know is it going to be a sale is it going to be a partnership what's the best way to protect the interests of the community while ensuring that we can build on community character and start implementing the master plan so for right now that's our our request is that there  about twenty thousand dollars in the e c s fund and we'd like the authority to spend it we did get an estimate from a local surveyor they thought the bass player would be about seventy five hundred dollars so we'd like to seek permission to get that ball rolling and get start getting a three yeah i'm a little unclear on the letter on the on the different items you don't want to say to the script or the unknown on stewart item two is the discrepancy on the survey so you need to have a survey do the meets and bounds and then the third as trying to understand the build up is it three units four units three levels for loading in the closing paragraph you said this twenty thousand dollars left in the budget and you want that money for survey to seventy five hundred we just have no just the seventy five hundred how to do it in piecemeal we we have the understanding we might be able to get some free help on the build out portion of it and we're going to try that avenue first in the meantime we're just trying to get the baseline so we can give that to whomever is going to do that and work with it but i'm also a little i want to say skeptical but i also sometimes you get what you pay for so i'm sort of saying well we're going to seek out the the the non cost avenue that if that fall short i don't want to make it seem like we wouldn't come back and have to talk about this again but we are trying to do it with you know graduate students or some other process that would save the community money ok so my question is an a and i am going to this is a meant as an offensive i don't work with you before and you've got to jump into this process  option of the the actually the we had an earlier and that didn't work then this auction was a little different because it give the board the ability to have a say in it and that didn't work and now we're finding out we don't have survey to begin with on the property lines biggest issue with this is if we're serious about economic development downtown right that's what i've been talking about for a generation now tended where we had planning board board of health planning sewer water the question was where is the sewer and how can you get to here and what was the one thing i asked means do we have a sewer plan now the sewer and water department they work on an enterprise process ok to not be able to say here's a sewer here how his here how it is going to get to the area this is what's going to cost to have this fund now pay for that or have it still unknown at this eleventh hour on a private business i would fire everybody because it's the town has been very good  process if the water and sewer department can't come up with a plan on where the sewer is isn't on market street is it and i noticed on here on the one first paragraph talking about a pump station you know that comes out of frustration because if it's over by bird street in the sewer has a four four into line if i bought that building i would put a pump in it and i would say if the town's not going to let me know where the sewer is and how to get there i'm going to do it myself so i don't think the town is serious about developing this property if they were then we would say here's a map of the sewer mr developer mr developer here's here's how you do it so now we're going to spend more money on the property and at the eleventh hour we're going to turn and say where's the sewer and we still don't know it was very clear on the town meeting and again you want to hear the time and you're a volunteer on this but the town spent a lot of money and they said downtown that's the area we just have to hook into it in years later we can't hold onto it because nobody can tell us where the talking about private public partnerships i don't know if anyone at this table is done it or the planning departments done it but there's a lot you know you look at that picture there where that fire station and we can't figure out how to sell it or how to develop it i don't have a lot of faith that  town can do private public partnerships on a parcel that we own so i'm speaking out of frustration and last meeting i had asked for a joint meeting with the water and sewer commission and that was probably six eight nine months ago and we all sat together and that was the only thing that they had to do was bring back and you were at that meeting and were no closer and i want to spend more money without having that information so i'm longwinded on this but this this infuriates me that you're asking for money to do a survey and we can't tell a developer how they're going to get sewer and all the businesses along markets created in houses what they're going to do at this point so somebody's got to get serious with the sewer or was spending a lot of money on a try party agreement that will close other than the are hooking up now so i think i think we share the same frustration we have a lot of discussion at the economic development committee meetings and all discussions regarding future development start and stop with so or because of the unknown i think that the money that we're that the economic development community is asking for is not so much a survey for sowerby but to clean up the discrepancies within the lot lines and that was my first question i understand that but it's not sellable till we know where the strike so let's handle that first before we spend any another dime on this property because that's my opinion you know it because once we have the survey what's the catalyst for the sewer department to give us a plan so the i think the economic development committee mike stanton happens to be on the board so he is well aware of the frustration and there will be a joint meeting with this board and the water and sewer to get the ball going because you're not going to develop downtown at all fire station or any other existing property to get rid of until we have clarity and a long  short term plan and a long term plan regarding solar and it's not just it's not just downtown it's it's also one so if the economic development i know is is you serious about developing opportunities and lorraine i know you're volunteering and you've put a ton of time into this the onus is on the town for not doing what we need to do and i am not picking on water and sewer so i can separately but this is a town issue the taxpayers pay for roads and infrastructure and if they can't get a plan to where their infrastructure is why would the economic ideas economic development money for new sidewalks in signage and nice things to attract businesses the  water in the sewer is bought and paid for we need a plan of where it is so and again i think i'm saying this and i have a most respect for you page when you walk into something but we got to clean up the baggage before i think we can spend any more money on this and if this is the way that we can if this is the big stick in the carrot to do it then the water and sewer has to come to the table and say they don't have the ability to give us a plan or they need time when they need money but just to ignore each year after year after year when they promised you flush a toilet in downtown it goes to you know norton because that's the thing that's not that's something's missing there so i think that you know this request really isn't the stick that's going to make any difference with the water and sewer piece of it i think this is just the survey is just something that needs to be done so if we do it now it'll probably be less expensive than if we do it next year is one way of looking at it but i totally we are on the same page in terms of the understanding that sewer is the key the key here and so that's why you know i think this is the first point that that page is made for us is that that is the most important thing for this committee to be working on when i agree with all that but you know this fire as you put out the bid next year next year for a survey you get four or five surveyors it's a six week process you going to get competitive bids it's not going to go up right now it's very expensive because everyone's busy right now  but say you spend the seventy five hundred dollars it sits for a year you can't sell this property unless you know the souris that you know nobody's going to buy it and you can put septic systems in there you know but i think not only that you have as two different issues i i think we definitely to clean house to find out what the boundaries are but excuse me for not understanding being the newest member on the board why can't we call water and sewer in the air in say give us a polling and a map i live on twenty five main street i have sewerage i have no idea where it comes from and after all this discussion and i'm you know two houses from the center of town lines located within the downtown area in the and then in the key thing is to know exactly where those lines are in way whether or not it requires that we have to either replace the lines that would serve best service the property or result in a pumping situation or if we could do a gravity line with what would be the easiest direction to go when there are a couple reasons why the walk mission i believe are equally as is interested in getting this done but the challenge they have is that they don't have a lot of money in the sewer account itself at this time they're waiting on there are two major projects they're going to help them one is the the the redevelopment of the foxboro front your property and also the other forty b project and that's going to allow them the ability to to have some money into the can into their account which will allow them to do some things i'm not sure this is high on their part of the problem because there are other things they have to do so i think it's a question of finding out the timing of what when they want to get this done because i think we all need to know that because we're very serious about replace the line take they really are really reluctant to move forward on and on but once they know that information once information is well known that makes it easy for them to mix really explore the options so that's the big challenge we face so i  getting a meeting with them is is appropriate to understand the timing of when they can help us with that with the detail we can't put it all on one floor i mean the whole thing i mean this has to be a total like we said at those meetings last year it has to be a told group effort and at those meetings we talked about doing a comprehensive so work plan study where they were going to start putting something together that was eight or nine months ago we need to we just like we said at those meetings we keep talking about we keep talking about it nobody ever does anything so we need to do something that's see that steve the priority that has to be established with this and it's a sort of commission's call in that respect they have they set their own priorities and it's just if they least we're able to provide you with some guidance and indication as to when the timing of this it would certainly help the process that we're trying to accomplish and i think we're at a good stage to ask for that this and i feel very comfortable doing so because it's dovetails nicely in with the master plan and the master plan we're now at the implementation phase you know all the conversations and meetings were sort of in the early and in the mid phases now we're at implementation and one of the number one priorities of the master plan actually there to downtown and sewer so in a way the people have spoken through their plan and you know hopefully we take that information to water and sewer and i know they have an understanding of what's going on and i think we do have some documentation now to really provide some backup that you know the residents do want to spen the day at founders day and we spent most of the time talking about downtown and the residents really want their downtown to be vibrant they also the ones i spoke to seem to understand that it's not going to just happen and it's going to take a community wide effort to make a choice to shop downtown and to support downtown that this is going to be a community effort that the national economy is just not going to create suddenly vibrant downtown so is my point is that this is a high priority for the community and i think that you know i seen water and sewer and all of us can work that has been suppressed because of the lack of sort so we need to we need to work with hold them accountable get some get some we'll have a meeting and set some timelines and some goals and see if we can on locked up potential because and though the businesses need it i remain much more optimistic that we'll get this time lot sooner than that but what i will but i will say this but i know it's understandable he's frustrated here i think we're all collectively frustrate i think even to a water commission today in fairness to them they're frustrated too because they want to move forward but there's there's a there's a number of different things timing is everything they have more flexibility in the water side of their equation and they do want to suicide we all know that so the question then becomes at some point do we as a tile want to prioritize and find a way to help fund that we want to be we be sure that we have a way to satirically move forward on that because it's knowledge the sewer and that it's also the sewer one so we've got to have a strategic plan and you know i've been attending meetings with the with major developers across the country that i was in boston and tomorrow i want back again tomorrow for discussions on this and there are two major issues sewer and access meaning access to the prophets how to get the transportation how to get there because if you don't if you don't meet the requirements of today's the next generation who want to be who don't buy cars by the way that we use every else's car but they won't they won't buy their own that's really quite interesting but my kids yeah but but they want to be able to roll out of bed in go to work close to where they are or take public transportation so we have to think about that seriously if we want to move forward on the waterfront most of the other think so as an investment it's a definite investment in the community  n the potential value that can be created from that but the frustrating part is we have a plan we don't have we don't have a dollar value of what it's going to cost you know what a long  term program can be do we do we start small do we use or grant money available we don't even know what what what the end result is going to be and i think we have to have that meeting at least start the process  that there is a lot of frustration and you know a couple times a month we talk about it and at the end of the meaning we shake our heads because there were no further on i mean so we need to set a timeline i mean it's obviously the water elected board is separate from us but you know it's not our well economic development is all of our issue but if we can just get the two boards together and i don't disagree i think it's a good discussion  the only thing that concerns me is this property this is theoretically the third time we're going to be selling it we don't even know the property lines that can just scares me a little bit so i think that's what we want to we want to know that i think before you go development committee we have we have no intentions of suggesting that the town should be a long long term landlord i think the development opportunity that year is it gets developed  vision and insight you have a stabilized value and then there's a definitive exit strategy for the town the get out to maximize the value in the return on the property so i think that's that's where the do yield study comes in  but i think i think you know i agree with jim on the saw in the frustration but i think spending the money to identify what the town actually owns is is not necessarily a bad  auction it off again and sell it as is so we don't have to spend the seventy five hundred dollars that's a discussion you have to have but i would hope that would be the case because i think you know that the value was his as the chairman why don't they suppress rally properly if they were able to to do that so even if you had to spend some money to make money i totally agree with spend in the seventy five hundred i think i would be a little more confident to waiting after we talked to water store and get get something moving i totally agree we have to spend that money to get a survey but jim mentioned maybe six months eight months it's it's cheaper i mean i have no problem if we know what that there is work going towards the now so what that point you have to say ok is there do we have to have a town a town commitment to doing so why not just having water and sewer spending money chippin in the to a little proof let's let's make a motion to vote on approving the spending of funds move to spend up to seventy five hundred dollars but i think what we should do is meet with kurt and why not his folks because if the economic development committee comes back i want to come back i want to do this piecemeal so if you can do the yield study great if not let's come back let's figure out what we what we need to do in the meantime bill let's see if we can get a joint meeting with the board a p because you know it's it's summer the fire station sitting with you know people are asking you know what's going on and really have nothing to tell so want to be able to you know give some clear direction and i think that that's a good step but i have confidence that the economic development in me has a vision and in and they understand what needs to be done that's the disorders the only component they will i don't into admissable aggregation and the program group is working with based a consultancy actually where the successful company working on this with us and so they're working with our agents in this case and so i had a mission  taping of our of the show you salute where we follow i discuss the program itself and how it works and this is sort of the next phase of that where we actually introduce that the plan of what how how this will be for from here public comment period for the plan which is required by the aggregation statute if you have a way to think i'm going to drive it dances let's to read your past excel i'll begin just by briefly describing what municipal aggregation is which is a form of group purchasing in which a city or town chooses an electricity supplier for the citizens and something is becoming very popular in massachusetts about seventy five communities have active aggregations today with at least twenty five more in the planning phases like like you are so you know within a year they'll be more than one hundred communities in massachusetts that are doing this the key things to know the main thing is that aggregation covers only electricity supply as you may know electricity service has two components there's the electricity itself which is called supply and then there's the delivery of that supply over the wires on the delivery part there's no choice whatsoever national grid the utility is going to take care of that no matter what but on the supply part there is a choice customers can choose a supplier on their own most businesses do that but not many individuals you can let the utility choose a supplier for you which is called basic service or the town can choose the supplier and that's called a massachusetts cust it's what's called an opt out program customers become automatically enrolled unless they opt out of the program because tumors are free to opt out at any time they can opt out before it begins or they can opt out any time after the program is rolling and we go on to the next slide the key benefits of aggregation are number one cost savings the goal of the program will be able to attain a price for the citizens that's lower than the average price of basic service from national grid the next benefit is price stability basic service prices if we come very volatile spiking up every winter and then dropping back down in the summer with the aggregation we'll have a steady price that's in place year round the third benefit is they'll be a green option for customers who wish to choose to choose to purchase a greener electricity that will be available for them and then the final benefit is that it will be a transparent consumer friendly offering there are increasingly a number of offers available from competitive  suppliers some of them are good deals some of them are a little bit too good to be true with hidden fees or teaser rates or whatever else the town program will be designed with the consumer in mind that pricing will be transparent be no hidden fees that sort of most consumer friendly offering that can be put together will be the town's offering and that will be available to everybody when we go on to the next one and going to talk about the participant experience or so from the perspective of the participants the residents and even this is that are enrolled this is a pretty seamless transition to primary changes one is on the national your national grid bill you'll see the new rate which will be the program rate and then you'll see a small line that says the suppliers name instead of basic services but otherwise there are no changes from the customer's perspective you still get one bill from national grid national grid continues to deliver the electricity continues to maintain the whole infrastructure and they're still who you call when the power goes out if you have solar panels on your roof net metering still works the same way you still get your credits at national grid's basic service rate and if you're eligible for budget billing or low income discounts from national grid all of that remains the same as well so that really the only change is these the rate on the bill and then the name of the new supplier will be on the bill so the primary outreach that happens for this occurs about one month before the program launches there's a formal public education campaign and everybody receives at the beginning of that campaign and informational letter that explains the program the electricity rates the benefits and the right to opt out and how to opt out that letter kicks off this thirty day outreach period during which there are a series of public events that will happen they'll be public information sessions open to the general public will also do one targeted for seniors will probably do another cable access interview there will be information on the website as well and then we will be providing customer support by phone and e mail also for the town and opting out can begin at this time so anybody who doesn't want to participate in the program at all will be able to start opting out during this initial thirty day period and then of course after the program launches they will continue to have that right and then just to wrap up by looking at the schedule so now we're in the wrapping up the planning stage with the plan available for the public comment period after that is that the longest part of the launch process which is the regulatory review process the plan will be reviewed first by the department of energy resources and then by the department of public utilities it's not an onerous regulatory review but it is time consuming it will take several months to get through that process once we have the state approval will move forward with a public procurement to choose an electricity supplier and the town will be able to choose the specifics of the pricing and the offering that it wants and then from there us will go into the public education campaign that marlaina explained and then from there we'll launch the program currently we're targeting a launch date of february the biggest variable in there is how long the regulatory process will take that's the only part we can't control or hopeful optimistic that we'll have the program up and running by february and that's it for our formal presentation we're happy to answer any questions you have to question so we won't know the rates until september or between september and december correct exactly right ok how long is this agreement going to be well really depends upon what kind of offer we get there you can sometimes be no more you typically no more than two years exactly right so as a typical i'm sorry typically is one or two years you know that's something the town will decide so we'll get pricing for you for one year we'll get pricing for you for two years and the town can decide which seems the more attractive so if we went to year and whatever the rate was it's locked in at that rate correct right at the bill would each month be consistent the same amount you pay your money other than your  and dept in the extent in that program expires after the the time that this program has already started so display how that works you bet so if you're if you're taking service if you've chosen a competitive supplier already you're not part of the group that becomes part of this program automatically but you're free to join this program at any time so if you have an existing contract when that contract ends you can choose to join this program if you want you can choose to go back to basic service or you can choose another supplier you'll have all those options but you're always welcome to join this program called did you say there was seventy five or so communities so you need to be one hundred now the the goal is to basically be simple and beat national grid's price correct out of those seventy five of the beating national grid's price by and large yes there's a there's a mix it depends a lot on when they locked in their contract for supply the electricity markets are fairly volatile the national grid price goes up and down all the time the market prices go up and down all the time two important things to know one is that counts not committed to going forward with the program until you see the pricing so the program price will be you'll know what the national grid prices at that but that's  launch the program you know that for the next six months your price is lower than that than the national grid price then the national grid price drops down suddenly that house prices higher two things there one the towns goal will be to beat national grid on average over the years sometimes  higher some cost maybe lower but if it gets into a situation where it seems unattractive to any customer they're free to leave the program at any there's also one sort of nuance here which is to your advantage right now which is that there's a component of electricity rates which is electricity prices which is determined by where you are where the town is starting next year the cost for the towns in greater boston and on the north shore will become significantly higher than they would be for towns in this area  the basic service price since national grid covers towns in the greater boston area i'm not sure here they blend it all together so tap customers on basic service in this area would really be subsidizing those towns on the north shore a little bit but if foxboro goes on its own through aggregation you'll pay the price that reflects your location so that should give you an advantage an extra advantage over a national grid and there's no step on here bill we have talked and i thought one of the other meetings that would have to go in front of town meeting we can't we can't offer gas to the public at this point but we do we work with them on setting the rates for how we do and rate why shouldn't do pretty well and we've done very well now so does the rate change by how many customers sign up for this so for instance if three if five members of us signed up to do this and the rest of the town opted out we're going to get higher rate lower rate say yeah that's a great question so the rate will stay the same so the supplier will make a commitment to to the town of a price and they'll hold that price for the length of their contract say one year and it's going to be the same price whether one customer ups out or all but one customer ops out there locked into right now is a lot of people don't pay attention to the bill and why is this way but i'm glad she does it because there are a lot of people that don't and as a result they don't realize that you can actually control what you're paying each month if you fact you pay attention to point where people can opt out and they're going to be if they're on basic service now when things happen they can automatically be they're not going to be on basic service and wrecked but you are giving people the opportunity to opt out of of your program and go back to basic service what will be the how will the average person be able to compare the basic service price against this this price is that information going to be on the bill or would they have to seek it at national grid website right so they'll get that in the letter that goes to everybody they'll be a table on there that compares that list the national grid price and the base and program price together on the letter that everyone gets in the mail and it will also be on the town website they'll be a table that compares the to it so constantly it will be they'll be people will always be able to like the month of june they can they'll know the difference the difference is correct a month of july yes exactly so they'll be able to compare exactly the way base and be able to compare and the way it typically works basic service prices change twice a year the program prize will probably be locked for a full year or so but when the prices change the new prices will be will be available be posted there ok and then it will be the only this is going to be on the consumer if they decide to opt out they're going to have to go through the process of going back to the national grid basic service that's correct so if they choose to opt out that they would need to take an action to opt out and there are several different ways they can opt out they'll get a letter in the mail as we explain and that will include a return card that they can check a box and opt out that way they'll be a phone number they can call to opt out and they'll also be a web site where they can opt out and they can not only call our number actually but they can call national grid as well and national grid lock them out thank you so i think this is a great opportunity for the members of our community i've been doing this for over ten years now in my line of work and we've saved significant dollars over the years by using our size and aggregating our consumption and actually going out and getting better pricing so very familiar with it i think it's a great opportunity so i'm looking forward to it even though on come out with a third party now so we'll see what the rates come in at that's the key if  leave the program or other reasons than price not so much for other reasons than price the best example of the longest running aggregation in massachusetts is the cape light compact which is about twenty five towns in cape cod and martha's  vineyard they've been doing this for about ten years and they've seen prices go up and down sometimes they're lower than basic service sometimes they're a little higher most customers stay with the program figuring that on average over time th community program will be a good fair place for them to be but it's also the case certainly the way we look at it that it's not necessarily a bad thing if folks opt out what the community does is it provides an option for folks that's fair with transparent pricing and one of the best features of that option actually is that you can opt out if you choose which is something you don't get if you contract with a supplier so something that's available to folks by and large the experience is there some people who opt out at the beginning order of magnitude somewhere between five and ten percent typically opt out at the start and then over the time they usually people come and go but there's also often is more competitive offerings coming to available a small number of people will opt out each year but the bulk of people stay with the program that's been the experience  to start the discussion on the grant application shook hands we've had some discussion about this issue for quite some time now and i and i've been working on this because there's been concern my level and in the staff level can do for discussion and just a general concern that if we we have weeks up a lot of grants in this town and for different various reasons from various sources and we want to make sure that we're accepting them correctly so there isn't any kind of perception or or or any any any sort of crossing of the line if you will with the with the with the ethics commission rulings so the question  the right process for dealing with this and so what i did was i've talked with the town council have also spoken with the state ethics commission and they have given me feedback on many different and we looked at this actually several different ways there were there was other actually other groups who applied who who offered suggestions to the stats commission and gave examples and then we gave further examples and in each case the basically said that the process that we currently use now is acceptable however there are situations where there are situations where it's more acceptable in the sense that you if you if there is a several groups of the form these friends of the groups associations to accept grants and funds and that's that's an actually nother way that's that's probably the cleanest way of doing it if you will so what  g shows it was that we actually do have a policy of the board as a policy of accepting gifts and grants that currently exists and so because there is no once one exact way of doing this because each situation is different wh i recommended to the board was that when before people apply for grants and before that well before they accept gifts that they certainly review them with our office and if some cases with town council because we want to make sure that we're doing them correctly  that's we're acting out of abundance of caution but also perception and we want to make sure that we're doing this so that people don't perceive us as being in any way shape or form stretching in one direction versus another so i want to just at the end of day it's your policy it's not mine it's a recommendation only at this point i think that it's a good discussion to have so we so i was clear about what the intent is here i think that we want to make sure that everybody we're very grateful for everything that's gone into this town and everything that's given to this town and we'll make sure that it never gets perceive otherwise and so that's really the only reason for us to having this discussion tonight is that we that we stay above the fray in terms of that perception and concern that may that when i frankly i was a little disappointed in what you presented to us you sent us a copy of what you did and while there was some  changes i think the basic change that for the policy for the existing policy as you just through grants in there where grants weren't mentioned before my concern and this is going on for months was  i just don't think it's a good idea for a town employees town committees town boards to be personally to town you know town entities to be  donations or playing the grants i have that's why i wanted to have and i was i was kind of disappointed that in your in your review of the policy you didn't mention that it would be best practices to have the friends of groups applying for for grants soliciting donations because that way they're removed from the town from town now even though if when those groups do apply to do it solicit donations apply for grants and they give to their appropriate boyd a committee that they were that they're working with it still has to come back to the board of selectmen to approve the acceptance of that and i feel when you have a friends group soliciting donations applying for grants there's a separation between the entities that give the donations and give the grants in the town especially when you have an entity that comes before the board comes before the board goes before the planning board goes before the zoning board of appeals and a decision has to be made on something i i was hoping that they would that there would be a separation me because i'm really concerned about a person i'm really concerned about yellow yeah always the case ok so let me just let me just respond to your concern because in fairness i would like to just say that my my feeling about that was i fully understand the position you've taken on this in that you want that to be the recommended method of abuse but there are many it says where that's not even that's not necessarily required so i left that deposition open so that yes it is one method it is a method is not the only method because there are many instances where people can apply for grants through the federal government through through private foundations through different groups that we have no we have no interest no no business with otherwise that doesn't require them to nestle go through that process so i massachusetts state of massachusetts is not going to come before those the board of selectmen right on a license or a permit that we have to vote on so there's no conflict there but when you get an entity that comes before and it's not just boys like that they would come to come to our office review the grant application with me before they applied that way this wouldn't be a discussion that would be debated later on and say what is the right process what should i eat what's the right right methodology for doing so you're talking about a method i'm talking about a methodology so that's what i'm recommending in the policy there is a process by which we go through that in some most often cases it's a say it's a five minute discussion say ok why apply for the grant and then the all the other question  that point is are there any matching funds required of that so we would know up front as well if there's any issues like that because sometimes that can be an issue that comes up later on too so we want to make sure that's a good process from the very beginning this is my so i've got a little bit of it and a little bit of a different take on it let me step back a little bit i we the town employees department heads ok and the onus is on the department heads when grants come forward that they read the grant they set maybe they solicit it or maybe a board brings it to them right they go through the ethics training they go through the conflict of interest training and i rely on the department heads to review it put the signature on it and then bring it forward that it's a legitimate grant and there's no conflict of interest we lost five board members have also taken that same training so when it comes in front of us we can ask the same questions and we can opt out  can say no and i have a lot of respect for anyone on this board that says granted it meets the letter of the law but i think there's a conflict so i'm going to vote against it and that's fine that's why we're elected in we do our homework when pot was surprised reading through the policy we had an in depth policy because a lot of times people come in front of us and we use common sense but there is a policy that set what i'm concerned about is the process of the department heads of the boards doing what they need to do and coming to the board it gets sidetracked by going through town government so no disrespect to you five years from now there might be a different town to town manager and it may be a very valid grant or money that's coming that gets there and you say no for whatever reason it takes our ability away from the common group that's bringing it now i don't care if it's a friend's group or a mom's group or or joe smith that you know wants to donate money because his ancestors died it takes it away from us policy changes changes when there's been mistakes made and we all look back and say oh how did that happen over the last months of dealing with this there was no mistakes made the department brought forward or groups brought forward grants and we voted on it and it got into this quagmire that we were doing something wrong or somebody was doing something wrong we're all able to call the attorney general and i've done it three times on this last issue and they put it in writing and you've got copies and they said the process that was followed was absolutely the right process and then our attorney sent correspondence back and said well what if maybe you didn't understand this and added three more things on it and they came back again in writing and said what part of it works it was done right don't doesn't the town understandings in pretty much those words it was nothing done wrong we're changing something because we had a disagreement on the board and now everything comes through a town manager and it takes our ability away to so you know if something goes wrong you have all the advice you get so that's what's that's the approach ok so the ultimate thing which i think kind of bothers me on this horse is going back a few months to where we are right now there was a grant that came in and everyone panicked because there was no separation you know ok i don't want the separation i want the name on it who's coming i want to sign it that i approve it and i don't want to play friends of groups so we had a grant that came forward everyone got a little skittish about it they changed the name on the grant to go to the y m c a that was bringing it forward when it was coming from another entity so the y m c a was going to get credit for ip ip grant that the y n c n n a put a dime out of the pocket four and everyone was going to be at our board while there's a separation world k with that that made no sense to me but that was on a table i took it off the packet because i just thought it was it was your first meeting and i said i'm not going to bring this controversy but that's what happened when we tried to find separation and it's almost like the shell game where we don't want to take it from them but have put this name on it and it's ok that's what i think we need to avoid we don't need to have that separation we need to have the name on it and if you don't if you like it you vote for if you don't you state why we don't state why you don't vote for five members that's what we're elected to do if i can with true coming on a little late but it seems like to me you went through the process of making sure we did things right or you guys did things right and we did you know we were the board's been doing what it's supposed to do correctly for a long time and i think now having that policy in front of us having you know a few words grant i know we saw grant in there all the time i think it's important because it was probably a little bit different when it was first written the now  but i also agree with jim that i think going through you is an added step that we don't need your part of that process when we we all get that application and you can throw in your two cents at that time to well what we're discussing it as a board to help us make the decisions that we need to the only the only drawback to that is if once i get it it's past the time that the grants already been applied for to and again i'm acting in an abundance of caution here i'm going to be clear about that and again we're acting out of abundance of caution and acting at a standard which is which is higher than most places would have because of the situation we live in a high profile place and we want to make sure that we don't do get perceived as being doing anything that might be might be wrong so that said i'm not this is and it's a generic policy it applies to any grant process just to make sure that we would  following the right procedure before we start the process and before we have this just you know the situation where it gets really tangled at the very end and i'm trying to avoid yeah so so the adding grant to whatever terms we had before is fine maybe the language should be we encourage you know we encourage department heads to meet with time management but not required because what you're doing in effect is if it does it buffering town departments from making the right decision know you've got to enough stuff on your plate you know i mean you know how many groups we have in departments that everything comes to your office rather than the onus being on doing their job i think the intent would be just for a town department not not friends of hopefully approving it comes this board will be completely vetted and then we'll have the opportunity to say ok that's great we can do it or you know i still don't feel comfortable with it i'm not going to go for an end and that was the whole idea of what skittishness what that was was the town inspector had applied for a grant from an entity that he inspects has to come before the  of selectmen that we license there was no separation that's so that's had it on our own jacks the stuff that you have to be very aware of and what really what really got me on this and i'll say the two words was the chandler jones that incident when they when mr jones had his incident down at the police station and she fell larry made a statement and the media all of a sudden thought that maybe there was like a cover for something we had media here for a whole week wondering how we were going to deal with the crisis and what that was it was a perception of wrongdoing a perception of a cover up of perception that the boston globe and all the media gone down to and that's exactly what i want to avoid there was there could been a perception with mr casper when he applied for that for that grant that ok you give me you give me the money and i'll make sure the inspections of go go ok are i'm going to give you money i want to make sure the inspections go ok that's the perception that's what you want to avoid and that's why in an instance like that going to a friend's group would have avoided that perception and i and and there  some grants that have to be applied by time department signed to stand that but those grants won't won't miss says whoa cause a conflict of interest so he is going to be two things you have to look at the interest and the things that don't and that's why the thing the things that possibly could those are the things that should go through friends but i think i would be more comfortable saying  applicant do you have a conflict this is this is what's bothering me rather would you rather have that same grant application the same money go to a third party the third party come to us and say everything's fine i think is more of a danger to that to have saying you know that it's kind of like money money laundering if you want to use that's going around the table and we're ok with that as long as nobody says it came from that person you know it was or it's not my i shouldn't say money laundering but it's the same dollars the same application it's for the same cause but it's under different thing is the they're going to get the money anyway why not do it so that the this bored me as a as a as a voting member can feel comfortable about accepting a donation kraft it's not of them it's thirteen citizens there on that committee that decide where that money goes so there's no you know bill can sparrow or any department head if there's a need or a opportunity there's zero conflict unless one of those thirteen people are going to pull up a building permit you know maybe but that money all of that money i was on the inaugural board we set up all the parameters we went over every scenario are residents of this town decide where that money goes nobody else but this still could be a perception and i think yeah there's always going to be a perception but i would rather have it discussed at this table and i respect they say you know and we can say it meets all the requirements no one's done anything wrong but i'm uncomfortable because i think there's a perception so i'm going to vote no i think that's fine i applaud everyone from doing that but it has to be at this table with the applicant in  admit that to you all but it's for good reason it's you know it's for a lot of protection for everybody that's here so i think in but let's let's stay on that on that example so i think it bill filled out the application sent it up to bill's office bill takes a look at it and there's any question and bill conspiring called the attorney general or the ethics committee maybe gets caught there they make  phone call and say yup no problem we understand it it's not an issue if if we have to get a opinion from from town council if that's that's awkward you send it along it gets approved it comes to this board we can ask the question as as ethics weighed in on as attorney general weighed in on it down counsel right yes yes yes ok don that's good enough for me i mean everybody is waiting for you know what i don't like the opinion that that he gave i'm going to i'm go back away from this one and that and that gives us the ability to me to say yea or nay based on the ground application but it will be fully vetted before it gets is right and i think that's my my point is i'd come just starting is an advisory to the two folks because you know grant i know grants can apply for all the time and i think it's good except all the time but we just want to make sure you know and i may be wrong in some cases if with my advice that could happen too i hope say is i'm not saying i won't i don't think it will be very rarely in that sense well say don't apply for the grant i would say perhaps you shouldn't be the person applies for the screen maybe someone else can in other words someone else that wouldn't have i would perceive conflict so you could have you could still apply for the grid and still get the same result but maybe you don't have the same the same individuals that are still applying for that exact time i had someone who had someone else do it as opposed to him and this for that one person mean going back to i think that's a great discussion to have that have it mandatory i think it takes away the responsibility of the department head i think that's their responsibility for i think they know better than a town manager on what their conflict is they can run it by you but i think the onus has to be on the people that we pay to run our departments to know you know and it's not overly complicated and the attorney general is available every single day by e mail or a call and you get a good response so i think up with an issue make it advice versus mandatory because i think that i think the intent is not to create another layer right or suppress the department heads authority your ability to apply for and you know when we're not we're not doing something that could come back and bite us more or create a lengthy discussion of this table where maybe maybe it will try to avoid one of us have a look but i'm i'm also wearing a snapshot so encouraged yes but mandatory not going to support that change in the changes of adding grants to whatever language we had in there from money or no donations is fine i think yeah  crisis how departments doing one thing police and fire doing you know all the different if you know something that the other people don't there's some benefit of having it's because it's another thing and method of centralization of the process which is again  guess made to tomboys or committees and or applications for grants or gifts made by the boards or committees can be reviewed by the town manager's office has recommended to you a committee that recommended i in that we discussed was like fifteen thousand dollars and we still have you right we've yet we have not formally accepted that so so what is the pleasure of the board and i would because we we've discussed the publicly no would have th apply for the grant but they're not it's it's not really a question for them to you know proceed to apply for the grant so we're going to actually live through it and why well i think that that in that particular incident i want to make sure that it's probably disclosures filed for that  the building of the new yeah billion to pavilion so there's clearly nobody is benefiting by that except for the community in this case but again there could be a perception because of the positions that individuals hold that they could be so we just want to be clear about the proper disclosure forms and everything also have to be filed in those instances i would not and i would prefer to do it the way it should be done originally if it will apply for let's  the question then becomes that license is now available the boy needs to have a discussion at your level to see how do you want to handle that license going forward or any any situation like that because i don't that we've ever had a town discussion about this about how do you want of that licenses because just because somebody applies doesn't mean they automatically get you could you could you could have multiple people apply for one license and then the question is ok who do i give it to and then the question and then the question remains is there or should it be a case of the next person in line gets it that's just the way it works or isn't was the biggest discussion in that which is ok we have this license that has significant value because it's a town wide license that can be used in a my very strategic way as as a way to entice a new development to come into  town that could really benefit many people including in a clue in the economic development philosophy the time so i think you know the chairman i talked about this i know there are other board those who have have to feelings about this in want to go in certain ways so i want to have a conversation here with all of you about that and get your reaction to that what how do you think we should best deal with it soap and i'll turn it over to the chairman of the so in in going through the whole  license process through town meeting and understanding that the state legislature is is requiring communities to make licenses site specific until some point somewhere down the road they're going to get out of the licensing business and basically grant that authority to the communities until then any license that we any dish will licenses that we  s from the state legislature is going to have to be site specific having said that now we have this town wide license that basically can go anywhere in the community all of a sudden becomes extremely valuable and in my opinion we have to be very careful on how we use that i actually had a thought about using that town why license almost as a temporary license or a flex  license until a state specific license is either requested or becomes available and which point that town license would be turned back to the town and then they would get a state specific license allow a community to grant a license and then pull it back once another license becomes available so there was we go through the legislative process with the site specific licenses the board takes a proactive step to grant a license to a particular entity they give the license and in then the the new site specific license comes through the goal would be to try and get them to to to swap licenses take the site specific one and the and the beverage commission to to gain it back however dave did suggest this you could do under a civil measure so other words if you support an agreement in place with the individual saying that if you take that licen and under a terms of agreement with the town and you have to be a pretty significant penalty if they didn't they will be liable to pay the penalty if they didn't if they'd internalizes back so that so you can do it that way but you can't do it  that was always one thought i think you know understanding a process where it's nine to twelve months really window to get a license available if we don't if we don't have these licenses in the queue you can see how valuable this temporary license would be to bring a entity into the community a year to eighteen months in advance of getting a license and having that particular entity that states that we're waiting for a license and there are others too i know that because they are there looking to develop in the downtown area but the question is going to become ok you got a license so who gets it and because you could easily have a an application before you at the next meeting for all i know i don't sort of a good example would be if if we didn't have that the tastings places available  cheap place in the scorpion by came in now here's a three hundred sixty seat restaurant that's going to contribute significant tax money to the to the town would we deploy that license to bring them in temporarily and and c restaurant does a lot of take out and use that that valuable flex license to tell why use it for that into the void you hold it for that other  how much value do you put on the license well i think it could be an issue of fairness to you have that smaller entity that's been waiting years patiently f license with the idea of the next one that comes available will get it competing right now with with other with other similar restaurants who have all alcohol pouring licenses and you want to talk about economic development that's one thing but you have to also consider economic maintenance you know this person has been patiently waiting but we're not wrong you know  with the other places in town and any other new business that would be thinking of coming to would build out some more light i mean their year or so away anyways we could take this license if there's an existing place can we fast forward twelve months when we get all of the licenses was applied for everything is rosy and then this flex license what do we do do we keep it up flex license or if we're having this discussion it's a good it's a good point so i think you know you know if you fast forward we took him into consideration when we asked for the licenses some of those businesses that have been waiting a long time and that's that's why we did that the economic development committee made that recommendation so i think you know fast forward you know we have the licenses available you know we still have the fire station which was normally one of the licenses that we we had asked for hoping that that was going to move forward so fast forward yeah you're going to have you're going to have license site specific licenses available hopefully they'll be deployed with some existing businesses and possibly some new businesses and then you still have this this license that can go anywhere you know bear my we still have a licensed site specific to  i think in my opinion has a higher value than a site specific license because they can go anywhere in the pending on on the on the consumption of those existing for those future licenses that are site specific this can supplement any one of those development you know there's nothing to be considered here is that and grantham anymore right you can't you can't get a tunnel wide license anymore so just does real value to it development yeah yeah so i don't think i need an answer tonight i think i think it's a good discussion to have i think we should you should think about it and maybe come back at your next meeting and we can try to have a further discussion about it because this is this requires a lot i don't think you want to  don't i think i think of what the goal was just to kind of get everybody kind of thinking about it yeah and in thinking of the value and you know sort of some ideas on how to deploy it and you know moving forward because  you know what happens if and if another entity goes out that has that has its own white light when we do that not right so that at some point over over time we're going have to figure out how to  i might i think you've got to think about it fairly quickly because you don't know when so isn't one of the on sale or the place where the film is going to be next meeting now could be good very well but i just but i think having said that you should have a discussion a terrific job again with founders day they had about all the rain during the middle of the field day over a booth but the parade was was great it looked like it was well attended and the fireworks were other than the weather when the clouds was was really good when i think jim for his efforts for the flag a dedication bent stick in rachel kalb reese and jack off of what for his his vision i remember week he sat at the table he says has to be a community effort owes a community effort i certainly do i think it i think it's something that i think the whole communities proud of what happened up there and it was through a lot of hard work from a lot of people so thank you everybody you most of anything that i had you know just throw something in on the father's day again it was a great day bill can you walk into the more healthy no they're doing their job but they had one person down there spectating fifteen or twenty different groups that have applied for food licenses and they need a better game plan for founders day it just slowed all of them up and and i used to have a booth down there for all the nonprofit stuff scouts or whatever that's your only little window to make any kind of money throughout the whole year and if they're being held up which again more to help should be inspecting or doing whatever but they need to be a better game plan so it's done let me go back a couple of weeks ago to a memorial day i want to thank mike johns as wife i don't know if anybody noticed but all of the wreaths that we have now that we lay are brand new and graduated between our meeting so we get a chance to congratulate them and also the sage school all the eighth graders that graduated moving on was able to attend that so congratulations and bond discussion and it's because i think it's really it's worthy of mentioning and that is that we not only are we fortunate that we have we've had excellent policies excellent management  stewardship of all of our finances here but we have to take it you think you have to thank all the people that contribute to that including including that the commercial and residential taxpayers who pay into this community because let's face it we are fortunate that we have large tax payers like the kraft group who paid significant amounts of money into the into the town snyder electric who was another major contributor to our to our tax base some of the new developments such as you know just the green you know you've got the new development on the fox with on the fox but furniture that's going to be that actually started up this week and you know all that all those pieces are really important to this overall process of without that support and i tax space we wouldn't be getting to right now i mean it's really really important that we recognize that collectively and that it's just i've always taken the time to think about that and he wanted me to take some time to mention that as part of part of our process of getting that and getting that accomplishment so thank you to everyone who's done that and to all the tax major tax payers all the residential taxpayers and where you invest in this community because room action items tonight at the that that should be going forward next thing is that we've had a lot of discussion about the we had some discuss what the mass permit what's incident i have developed a report which  which i was prepared to talk about tonight i understand that there is the person who was a victim of that would like to come forward and discuss it at the next meeting i think we're going to do that we really should have the benefit of mass premier there as well because they should be able to respond to that just met with last week and was very positive discussion so there are pieces that we still want to work on but i don't want to make any public statement about that without them being here because i think that's fair though so i think i'd rather wait on that ok during the time that we've been away a couple things i've had that during the time that this past few weeks the legislature has worked on two important piece of legislation one is that the members were made to these changes are pretty different from what we've seen in the past and it could result in a fair amount of time being spent on this issue depending upon how rolls out but that remains to be seen at this point the next piece of legislation that's that was acted on this just past week was that there was pretty sweeping reform and some zoning issues that through the senate that was being pursued but through him a p c and it did pass this past week by as one of twenty three to fifteen i believe it was and so when the see what it does now when it goes to the close of the house and then all to the conference and to into the going to see we'll see what our roles are but it's been that's been another issue that has not been  where they would they would have certainly zones that would be just for that would be zone by right for the multifamily districts despite the fact that you're already have if you're already met your twelve percent or ten percent which we have so that ra that's an area for the situation and that's a discussion i think you really have with the plain evil into that because they can interpret the other legislation that right at this point it's strictly one piece of the puzzle it's not not legislation but i did it was pretty he caught a lot of attention this week when it went that far and then finally i mentioned earlier that i was i mean attaching the attending the national leadership summit and it was held in boston this year it's the first time it's been held in boston normally s was we both it was interesting because we both had the same issues that we were talking about and see how we could create so this development corridor if you will for us and see how we can work together to make that work and there was a lot of interesting discussion about that so we  it's interesting to be in a room full of developers and there which then here we have to say about it which is which is really kind of interesting so i did sort of come up so they come up so i can transportation how the new millennium is think you know it was behind the scenes time that not many people know about but all municipal people drive it's kind of between town meeting in the beginning of fiscal year and you wrap up this fiscal year so you're implementing all the contract terms pay plans for forman evaluations are wrapping up seasonal hiring in time for july one and as you know we had a bunch of job postings that closed that we're working on so we're in the process of getting in touch with police chief candidates to set up the phone interviews as well as administrative assistant positions that would just screen those resumes as well yet to do or the h r assistant and some of the lateral transfer police officers screening of those next week will be reaching out to them to set up interviews been very involved in promotional processes with fire captains lieutenants those are wrapping up next week i'll be sitting in on the deputy assessment centers and will be doing dispatch a promotional opportunity and dispatch for a communications manager tomorrow will be hosting another task force meeting for the opioid task force we have another guest speaker coming in that group is kind of on really taken shape with a lot of the key department heads and community members and attendance we've been working really hard with the new personnel by law changing coming up with the policy kind of manual so we continue to work hard with personnel board and using an h r counsel anticipate when maybe late fall coming to the board with some of these policies you've sort of approved someone off policies as w gone along but we're coming to a comprehensive document a more policies there's now only about twelve people covered by these byelaws in addition to the seasonal people several one else is under contract but we're trying to really work to streamline terms across contracts and policies we've been meeting with all of the nine people covered by the bylaw for next week just to kind of keep them abreast of what's going on so we'll keep you updated in the fall and winter on that and then wrapping up on the committee so if anybody's interested in serving as the board's liaison step up and i think we're looking for a housing trust housing  put so was moved to approve the six commercial parking lot permits we have in front of us renewals expiring on six thirty twenty seventeen second the motion made second a discussion of those in favor of seven hundred ten dollars to be used for tuition for two childrens to enroll in the booth summer program from the partners and patriotism fund second with me in the discussion  all those in favor i guess we got a move to accept a petition for a new poll at thirty three commercial street second which  move to approve the reappointment of robert worldly to the canoe river river aquifer advisory committee expiring on seven one twenty nineteen second which  question all those in favor move to accept a gift donation in the amount of one hundred dollars from don and allison markham for the friends of foxboro flagpole se we have planned is we're going to meet within the next week or so look at all the expenses come up with a final number and then make an announcement and i think it's rightful to see if anyone that donated to the flagpole if there's money left all if they want that money back before we spent on something else or  appointment of ken bryant as an associate member to the historical commission expiring on five one ninety second from eighty second and he's got moved to accept a gift donation in the amount of two hundred fifty dollars from the mom's club of foxborough to purchase children's materials to the boyden library second one to me second  amount of one hundred dollars from the foxboro historical society in memory of ralph monde for programs at the council of aging and h s second from second in the discussion know all those in favor move to approval one day beer and wine license on six twenty two sixteen from five to nine p m for the residents then with a rain date of seven thirteen sixteen second and second