the invoices with the grant expense she is today actually yes so they will pay the town ten thousand dollars and  would just for our because we're energy peaks just to measure how much energy that uses in the next year and then we'll try to temperature will that go to when will that quit working well it will quit base with you we know you know ultimately our mission is to work with you guys and gals you know to to make the town building more fission to do education in the community and  would be nice to been able to review what was proposed and just you know let us offer our thoughts and then i guess you've decided to go with some type of recovery until later  out of the building with all the moisture issues for having you know that's where we heard bits and pieces and you know from my perspective on you know the there was i would just encourage as much as possible there have been probably unexpected data and difficult decisions to make on that topic and people walking by and jury and others who not only been ha would love to utilize you totally get it in the union lupino we may budget about one hundred fifty grand to do that project which has been on the books for quite a while that you guys knew about that had the air exchange portion of it and the insulated roof portion of it it came in at about two hundred sixty thousand dollars that's not possible so we you know that that's kind of how we came to decision which which do we do first how do we do that and we we thought you know alleviating them with your problem might lead us  to two into an answer and you know bit that this you do that maybe next year we have to insulate do that so it became somewhat of a budgetary issue of how much money we had you know we could have come to you guys be off to saturn and maybe you would have said well for one sixty i think you could do x y and z and maybe that would poking around down there give us any feedback you have this is where we're at it's moving it's going in but anything you ever want to add to that do in that manner let us know think on it come up with plans listen anything   has been so we're in the process of looking at recruiting more members and as the energy committee was created by a select board there were a couple of questions came up with regard to the group and that is d we what we're trying to do is we're trying to do as much as we possibly can on our property to me on to be up to code for speak  but it's i mean it's impossible for us to go into cloverdale road and we do have a road association and we are attempting to redo a lot of things our road  in the road you get a feeling of what that cost would be for you guys on the road itself according to me and thorough walkthrough of the road me he walked the road they didn't just walk like our son i'm basically there is one tree that stands out same thing it's like it's two or three foot difference in terms of heating and there's driveways near the three places so he didn't feel like it was an issue for the road for the safety or the traffic flow because there are so many turnout it actually is it needs the state in two thousand and twelve it might my attorney actually went and research the home this is the option and in two thousand and twelve basically they need to pay dues for the state but he also recommended that it's not engineers ship and said look we've engineered what we need to turn around and let the willing and you know trying to do to help out that driveway already comes in is in existence for i don't know how many years but it's been there we bought the property so the m access is this the first driveway here ok but there was a question i don't think sarah was confident either way whether we were asking for one or two was kind of what i was hearing but they fell and i guess i should say that because we'll  on that's actually wants to right here so we slice it to do we have a motion that will do we have a motion to waive our standards in this scenario or any motion like that i like to make a  as represented on the drawing by trafton engineering associates dated october sixteenth twenty fourteen to select board will not require that access permit will be granted provided that the drawing just referred to dimly by traffic engineering associates dated october sixteenth twenty fourteen is strictly adhered to and further that that portion of the shared driveway from the end of cloverdale road which is to say the boundary of lot seventy four through to the hammerhead turnaround as shown on destroying near the existing gravel drive to be upgraded to be seventy one smallest ever seen this in a while the sand pile is tank mates it's not what it usually is usually we come into a year where there are quite a bit of reserve from the year before and this year we were down to just frozen chunks to elaborate on what we're left with but it wasn't much and we budgeted last two years a number that didn't take into account increases and prices of approximately fifty cents per year so we kept the budget number the same as prices went up winter with not enough winter scene we don't have budgeted for that sand but in my mind a good t scenario to the great side is if we bring in more sand we figure out a way to do that and we don't use it it's always there for the following year we're not going to use it if we don't need it but we are in a precarious position with the amount of c n n we have coming in the winter we also have not bought enough actual sand not the washed up that we put on the roots that the same we also buy seen to mix with the salt and so it's more expensive than seen and then we buy a fine scene and to mix with the sole which goes on the pavement and we don't have enough of that  either because of the budget issue here and therefore we would spread more salt which isn't good for the environment because more expensive because we have the sand mix with still needs here tonight to elaborate on what i'm saying but the bottom line is we're off and really all that's going to happen this year that you may or may not but let's say that you spend every budget item perfectly and the only thing you have is your twenty thousand dollars over here it's just going to come out of class your surplus and that's what this will be reduced it'll still be an expenditure there you may have some money in the regular guard rail line you might have some money in a number of places but you know we spars i see i know winter is really bad but spring is like our really horrendous time you don't know what's going to happen and if you move something from one going into next year it might be better to put those higher numbers in there because we seem to use it quite a bit and then if you you know years that are safe and so on if it forty sixty foot what i was going to do about the water in the water actually coming from up the hill on the end of point ridge and drains all this way not really my issue to try and address why the water's running a different course and what  that and again we don't work on private property like we've established many times on this with this like work so it would be her responsibility to deal with that what it's we're working on the right of way and existing infrastructure pension bill bill young from the believe has given us something that he would like us to sign off on so we can see it to this state so that he can get a tax exemption through the state rather than through tribe the organization's mission it's a little complicated and there are two sections of the statute that apply here i can walk through them but the basic proposition is certain things are exempt as a matter of law the better the v f w post can't assess property tax on shit out shawl and so forth not to mention widows of that are ins so those are by statute exempt the key there is that real property used for public pious or charitable uses are exempt but what the public pious or charitable use the statute doesn't stop there it goes on to say basically the exemption for public pious or charitable uses shall not exempt following charitable uses and the one that counts there public crimes or charitable use exemption does not apply to real property when it's used primarily for health purposes unless the town so votes to exempt it know what maple leaf says is what primarily for health purposes so what it is what is it that maple far does well it's not like planned parenthood has these are well people coming here these are well i think you'd be very hard to see that a substance or alcohol addiction is not a medical issue  but it seems to me that there are various kinds of ways to treat health problems such as we have a just assume that this is a diction is a health issue  know it's covered under the acupuncture standards of our professional regulation structure and they have to be licensed and so i'm also curious they have presumably may have a doctor on so it seems to me that what they are doing is healthy ok now once we get to that we know that they can no longer claim the pious charitable exemption list to tell so voters and it is it's a business operation feel that it's this lent boards duty to teach a hard look at this because every review i mean not working out because we're signing your name to what it seems like we have validated you know coming up to say whether or not the town wants to continue to do that to pay the fifty thousand or forty thousand dollars in taxes that we if you feel like you need more time where you have i can't cite it as a status because i don't think it's correct ok i would like to take a little time just to look at a couple of other by the time you get down to what constitutes just cause you notice and here they hire lawyers or so at that point of saying ok you know you took you told us not to go i think what it comes out of this we said don't go to the foreman anymore as an expert going as a nice guy a snake as me you know but don't don't go as an expert so they're saying we're going to be rude commissions expert but we said if you things to do with running around in trucks and doing all this stuff if you had someone older person and knowledgeable of road knowledgeable about number helping the road crew along is there any explaining the benefits the united way and we had the checklists on paychecks would give us some form who would give us the booklet with all the people they give to so you can just use the index number  want i mean this is again this is my style even giving back to the benefit thing she's i mean i just we're not the three of us are you know every day operations we don't know half of this house and they are responsible people and my inclination would be not to have you come to us and use your best judgment and do your job and if you think united way makes sense to do it and i know you're not going to waste cruise time or your time or anybody else's time and i don't want to hear about everybody i really don't but you guys may feel differently scene good for charities and everything else i just i don't think it's going to become this crazy flood not everybody's time wasted meetings down here i just i don't i don't think that's going to happen and i think at the same time if you start to see that happen i think you bring that to your tension too and say this isn't saying i just hope we let's there is this this part of the big hole is here actually this is where the growth of the sun and in this area it's pretty much dead flat you'll see ninety seven and seventy or it's most nothing and then down here it's ninety seven three so from this point on there's it's a deep seen the neighbors conclusions if we're still willing to go along with the idea if they're willing to be here in their right to get pitch one on there and then dump it and he actually started digging around i saw him out there with a shovel and dump it right here and then it drains the rest of the way in the deep ditch my engineer wise feels this being this ditch the depth of this dish doesn't do the damage that this is doing it's a shallow kind of sitting around and this is on a personal no at my home i thought it was even nine dollars and people i bought a solar powered motion like and i have never been so impressed with the technology right now i mean it works so well and we remember our train for our last week thing worked every night really low light conditions held a charge really well and it worked beautifully it was eighty nine bucks and i looked at the southern exposure  today took into account trees being down but if we'd literally tach to four by four to the green building sixteen foot four by four and put this thing on that for me four on the green building you know four by fours down fifty blocks forty bucks sequencing wise to find a yes there were some towns in southern vermont that went through this saw stockbridge vermont we can beach up to them and see how they handle that i have no interest in what he's trying to say so but he's not asking for any money at the end of the day but for the demolition you're shepard demolition comes and tears the house down send us  mean it says that he accepts the seventy five percent buyout you felt good but then he also says you know i think i understand that the county unwilling and unable to contribute funds but twenty five percent match but he doesn't say so i'm going to pay it going for the sky other than as a fifty fifty marriage should get it should we get a hundred thousand because the town had fifty to put towards being there twenty fifteen but yes i did whether that got to the eighteen month a two year time period i don't know the answer i was uber tennis courts and leave it was that his first six figures hundred thousand dollars yet a couple different options including the very aggressive pleasant valley effects in the four hundred plus thousand and the virgins version two where that could split up the first two years and everything else go back to you yet so that sounds like a great usually not a great reader this is a great reader to meet for a town and then like you always give back to we always don't rebuild but why don't we you know rebuild it always twelve grand or ten grand or whatever show what rebuilding spending too little and then as as as a slip and it gets the phone calls i'm amazed at the amount of complaints about what i don't think is that bad of a road you've got to slow down you've got to go around possible but i don't want to hear they came to us and asked for that to go to the state and it is a seventy some odd dollar fee and there is no more at this  time financial implication on mr brill card or anybody else other than if it did change his appeal play doesn't cost him on legal fees or anything like that mar been marred by the crew the road construction corps working that took place during the month of august september of this year have concealed and buried at least one of my property markers so he can find either of his iraq to be more sound like the other one happened during tree removal down limbs here they get the markets reset by profession or superior at the town's expense please advise me on the best way to proceed i can contact a i'm sure it wouldn't take much for a person with those skills to sniff those out  to do that with a pleasant ok well correspondence announcements our next scheduled meeting is for november eleventh twenty fourteen at six pm sure there's some point scheduling another fifteen peaceable in a very short distance i don't know the answer to that i'm just throwing that out there the dominant standard from the towns i looked at the representative sample was ten percent jericho's fifty percent jerk was idea here is the basic economic proposition the good stuff the school from now on the only stuff that's going to happen here is maybe subdividing dials a slab or something like that