so he's running a little bit late from the grand rapids area and will be here the first thing we need to do is open our meeting with a couple of items we do every meeting and that is first to have a prayer which this evening will be led by our colleague following that we will recite the pledge of allegiance to our flag if you might kindly rise and join us in both of these items with me please lord god as we enter into this meeting tonight we pause to give thanks for what you have provided to us and to seek your blessing our work we thank you for this place and for the caring and talented people who live here we thank you for the moderate temperatures in the rain which you have recently provided to refresh the earth we thank you for the abundant provision that you have made for us in so many ways send us your spirit to help us to be good stewards of all these blessings we pray your continued blessing on our community and all who live and work in it keep all from injury or accident especially those who provide for  those within our community and those who defend our country abroad we ask a special measure of your grace and comfort on the price family in these difficult days of sorrow and adjustment may they find strength in you and in our community lord you established governments in many nations and on many levels instill in all who govern a sense of justice tempered with mercy and a vision for the greater good rather than individual again bless us as a council and staff as we go about our work tonight we all ask all of this in your name i pledge thank you bob there are copies of this evening's agenda located in the rear rack of the room if you're in chambers you may certainly grab a paper copy we also have wireless internet access in this facility so if you have a device with wife i capabilities you can grab hold of not only the agenda but also the background material that council has looked at in preparation for this evening's meeting it is password protected but if you talk friendly to someone who knows the pastor then sure they'll give it to you you'll notice on that agenda that there are a variety of items that have an asterisk next to them and these are items that are marked as our consent items meaning we think that they're relatively routine or they've been discussed by counsel before our intention for those items marked is to handle them all regardless of where they show up in the agenda with one motion and one vote right now just because we think they're routine doesn't mean you think they're routine in fact you might be here to talk about one of those items and if that's the case once or assistant city manager lists for us what is on the agenda consent agenda you can come up and remove an item from the consent agenda and of course members of council can remove one or more items from the consent agenda as well before we get to that though let's find out what exactly is presently on the consent agenda item five which is to approve the regular session meeting minutes held july eleven eighteen and august one two thousand and twelve i don't know levon eight to accept infile executed oaths of office fourteen d one to refer a claim filed against the city to the city's insurance carrier and city attorney for consideration fourteen d two to approve the two thousand and twelve mers delegates as follows chanda shop karate told human resources director as the officer delegate john hoffman h b p w human resources manager as the officer alternate su harter the employee delegate and robert garcia the employee alternate fourteen easy one point one to approve extending the term of the neighborhood advisory committee to august one two thousand and thirteen fourteen easy to point to to prove additional funding from the fair food network in the amount of ten thousand dollars for the double up food bucks token reimbursement program fourteen e's three point one to accept as information the fourth quarter investment report which is for the period april through june two thousand and twelve as presented by the finance department fortini three point two two approve the bid submitted by give them a break safety for two portable message boards at a total cost of twenty four thousand nine hundred ten dollars to be paid with grant funds from the strategic traffic enforcement program fortini five point two to approve a special council meeting for aug twenty two two thousand and twelve at five thirty p m to consider currently classified as c p f and reclassify reclassified to c p e enter create a new crew leader position for the st division fourteen east six point one to approve the proposal submitted by tech bridge in the amount of three thousand eight hundred dollars for social media planning implementation and training that is what's currently on the consent agenda would anyone in the audience care to remove an item and one council wish to remove any items saying on what is the pleasure of yes motion passes all right thank you well it's that time of the year again we move to item item seven special presentations recognitions it's hard to believe that summer is winding down i know for some of our home christian students one week from tonight you will be enjoying having your first day of school finished which is kind of shocking to think about but it is what it is and the weather's cooled a bit which means sports practices start which means school is on its way and that means that we get the honor and privilege of introducing some of our new holland youth on board members and as well as the holland youth advisory council cor members and i know that there are many of them here tonight that they've all been invited to attend and we would like to have them be introduced not only to the members of council not only to the members of the audience but perhaps most importantly to the members of  the public and those who are watching this meeting in locations other than in this room is really a wonderful thing that that was established a number of years years ago to try to get some of our young adults interested in their community and understanding how local government works locally and it has been wildly successful i think from a student standpoint you get to participate in meetings you get to hear kind of the background information on a lot of sometimes interesting things sometimes not so interesting things about the particular border commission but i think also and perhaps selfishly more importantly or more beneficially is that the adults whether they're council members or volunteers in our community who serve on our variety of boards and commissions get the opportunity to interact with some truly exceptional high school students in our community i think back to my you know roughly what seven years or  so serving on council and i think back to a lot of the students that i've interacted with who have either been on high ak or been on a student representatives and some of our boards and you know these folks are just simply fantastic they are at at least at least as qualified to be serving on these boards as the adult members on them so i'm not that old i guess but it does give one a great deal of pride in our community and also it gives one a great sense of hope that there are many good people coming up through the ranks who will someday soon we hope take their place and help us become a good community from a good community to a great community and help us become a even better community than we are right now so i kim meyer who is our coordinator for the youth on boards and high at program i've talked long enough we welcome you if you model mind going to the microphone maybe pull it back in the other direction so folks in the audience can see you but everyone at home can hear you as well that evening and welcome students and just call i say their names of the students i know that could not be here and just mention that they are have been appointed they were appointed at the council meeting two weeks ago just so they get their name recognized and then i will call the students up that are were able to make it one of our subcommittees last year and he's chosen to sit on an adult board this year and so he will is being placed on the police community relations naomi slitter is joining him she is a sorry kyles a junior at west side of the naomi is a sophomore at law and she is joining him on the police community relations also the mallory dryer is a senior at home christian and she has been on one of our subcommittees for the past year and the year before that joined us and our raise your voice project where we go into the schools and tea kids middle school sixth grade students have to say no to drugs and alcohol and that she's been with us for a few years and she's joining us on the team court board officially this year then returning on our police community relations and i forgot to mention also on the west michigan airport authority analyst ariano is continuing on the international relations commission then we also have returning on the relations commission this year and then charlie colinas a senior at west auto and he for a second year will be on the max transit authority and he's really enjoyed that and i think he's there just to also to mention this is the first year that i've been able to place fill all my positions on my job words and commissions and that's twenty students and both returning in new and i'm really excited about that because in the seven years or so i've been here i've not been able to place students i haven't had the quality of students i guess that i feel i could handle being on the adult boards and holding their own with the adults and this year we had such a great group of kids interviewing with us and wanting to be on those adopt boards so it's very exciting to kind of see that shift from the kids wanting to hang out on their own committees to wanting to really be on those the doll boards so that's going to be an inciting piece of the sheriff coming up so let's students that i would like to introduce to you tonight who were able to make it and when you hear your name called like you to come up here and stand by me duly armstrong is a junior high school and she will be on court counsel joining us this year for the first year and she will be on our social services committee lindsey try mary is a junior at west ottawa and she will be on our special events a committee again this year she was on our special events maybe last year and she is joining us on core council this year so out of the four new students i have encore council these are who are our young ladies so then we have you all of rodriguez and she is newly placed junior at west  a she will be on the human relations commission tyler patty is a freshman at holland new tech and he will also be on the human relations commission astor and she'll be a senior at hahn high school and she will be on the our street board this is really exciting to me to be able to introduce these students because i have the challenge of finding students that live in the city limits to be placed on some of these boards and moran and tyler a couple of them so even that night heart black river and he'll be on the planning commission and was one of the students i had that was like i want to be on the planning commission and i'm like yeah and then those who are deaf these are the students that are so  thanks for the students and the parents who are family members who are here with us we are bring it over every year we have an ice cream social and he says this to me every time one of these years i want to bring some ok just say one party comment and that is this you know so often people suggest that you know some day you know you're someday when you're an adult you can lead and you know wait for that to happen and i guess what we would say to you up here is as far as we're concerned you're fully vested members of this community do your thing now lead now and we'll be there to cheer you on all the way so thanks again for your willingness to serve we appreciate it and enjoy the ice cream ok that then takes us down to twelve communications from the audience if there are people in the audience who wish to address council on items that are not otherwise located on this evening's agenda here's your chance to do so the rules are relatively simple all we ask is that you give us the name and residential address for the purposes of the record and then council rules allow up to five minutes to address council so we welcome anyone who cares to have public comment at this time apartment and you know we had a shooting there a couple weeks ago again shooting where a three year old was almost struck by a bullet just they said it was twelve inches above her head so chief messer jan messenger and consummate chart way came by for a meeting in our neighborhood and we were informed that there is a law in the city that around the district of hope college that if the landlord has residents who have been cited three times three strikes near our policy that has been reported by the police and received an actually write up that then landlords have to be held responsible or they can be fined if there is reason for provocation that they were caught there and we would like to see that extended to our neighborhood out to the outskirts of town on the east side because that is where we're getting so we have so much gang activity there right now this summer and they're also talking about taking our community police officer away and this is the most vulnerable time for us right now and that and the community p worked with them firsthand as a drug as a family domestic dispute happened in my building at one time concerning a situation where the single mother and he was called to the scene officer weatherwax and he is a great ass i've seen him be very authoritative yet compassionate at the same time and being a single parent myself i have a daughter who is now twenty five i know that we need that up officer with compassion like that and another thing that concerns me though i know all across the country and the politics wise that there is a financial crisis i mean and we're still not over come to resuscitate and i understand that but my concern is if we take bad away are we going to have to put more funding into prisons because that's what it will eventually happen there might be losing funding for police officers here and school funding for education but i'd rather see it distributed because it's easier to build young people than it is to repair old men you know as they grow up and there is education even in prisons and you can read your bible in prison but you can school and here it's a whole we reach out spiritually wise we train them to love christ but if we don't have that protection there's too many single mothers they have everything they can do to protect their children right now and to take that protection away would be detrimental to us and when we would really like to see that law extended and the police community police officer still there and this is like i said the most honorable time to lose that we've worked too hard and we've come too far in that neighborhood and there's too many people that do care and are willing to take a stand but this is a time when people run in fear because i'm when my daughter was young there was some gang activity too and i didn't want to go anywhere i didn't even dare get involved in the community because i was afraid of drama but we can't have an arche going on we need that control order from the community police officer that the kids can look up to and we need more mentors male mentors and to take that away right now i just would hate to see that money go to the present system instead of the neighborhoods all right thank you mind i'd see that the chief is in the room and i would wonder if the city manager might like to offer some comment on this particular item yes i would thank you  it is rare that we get as much good public feedback on this bill services as we do on community policing so i want to support what was just said it's evident to me in numerous ways and opportunities to witness the good outcomes resulting from community policing i i know where this concern emanated and i'm partly responsible and that in our discussions over the last six months there really has been nothing sacred that we haven't debated but i can tell counsel as i have in the past that there there is no change to community policing that is in any kind of planning stages i as you know there are were two vacancies in the police department in july that we wondered about how to fill and i think that's how this conversation got started but we've we've closed that conversation fairly rapidly  will stay in their community policing positions as they are now very good and i wasn't in any of those meetings personally but i heard through the city manager that chief messer worked very hard and creatively to find a way  with these staffing changes to maintain the community policing officers and maintain the level of service that holland residents have come to appreciate and enjoy as far as mr city attorney  issue of the three strikes ordinance for lack of a better phrase might we have any sort of comment on that as long as we have some residents from from tribe way in the audience tonight well my recollection is that the time that we were considering the those ordnance amendments there was some discussion about whether or not they would be extended to a broader area and i believe that the position that the planning office really wanted to take was to use this kind of as a test case see what effects were taking place and really how productive that those ordinances were  you know perhaps that some point the council want to have a study session to review some of that data if there is some at this point and decide if there should be a broader scope to that ordinance provision but that would be a policy matter for the city council thank you and one of the items for from the consent agenda tonight we extended the life by a year of a committee we've called the neighborhood advisory committee and some of these things that the city attorney was just referring to actually came out of that committee so rest assured they're still thinking about it we're still thinking about it and we will take your comments to heart on that issue so thank you very much for being here the microphone is still open for others who wish to address coun weekend i've got to tell you that it was an incredible experience for us from my first meeting with captain dykstra it was just we were walking in this town just incredibly your patriotic spirit is just incredible i got to hand it to this town it's just it was very moving for the patriot guard to attend a funeral for god the starting price we don't get choked up all that often we've seen a lot of stuff over the years but the pater to them shown by this town we definitely had to keep our eyes on the bike ahead of us because the people on the streets of the city everybody that we talk incredible experience for us and i just wanted to come here we wanted to come here and thank you from the patriot guard riders for showing the honor and respect to the families i thank you for well and i please of them certainly deserve you know your comments i would say that the people of holland as you noted are the deserve a lot of the your comments as well and appreciate your comments but what i really want to say to the three of you and if you would kindly pass it along to your fellow writers is that we in this community were simply overwhelmed with your presence in our community and obviously your hope is that you never have to right again our hope is that we never have to welcome you into our town as a patriot guard riders organization are free to come back individually any time you like your heart but that being said i don't think the experience and the moving nature of the procession and all that that involved would have been anything like it was without your presence here as soon as we all heard that there was the chance of some potential  disruption the next thing i heard and i kid you not it was the next thing i heard is that you folks were ready and able and going to come out in force and i can't tell you what that means to a community and i have to believe what that means to the price family in particular so please accept our sincere thanks and our hope that you know your expert but we're glad to hear your experience here was good and we hope that you might come back some time and just be with us because we enjoy your presence well we are going to take a little piece falling back with us always wonders i guess it was an incredible experience and probably one of the largest escorts we've done in the state of michigan so far to date that i know of at least one that i have attended  i'm just glad that everything went off without too many problems in d c as you know there is only complaints i would love to hear and because maybe they will help us improve in the future so so far i haven't heard a single hint of a complaint that even a center aisle and every service member that was in uniform got a personal and shake having had a daughter and son in law serving in iraq  it's a little hard with me it was excuse me it was an honor to be at the cemetery definitely an honor to see you guys comment and i just could not be prouder of this  community as i wrote in an e mail an exceptionally happy to be a citizen of holland and definitely the united states with the way things happen on saturday it was a sad event but i think we came together as community and you gentlemen in your crew i have never seen never seen so many motorcycles at one time it was just an awesome sight well it was it was a it was a very very high honor for us to be here  like i say you never really got to a point where i explain to the funeral director that if it ever gets to be overwhelming for the family let us know and we will stand on the mission and we will disappear just as fast as we appear because we never go any place where we're not invited we have to be invited by the families so that is our priority the families interested in what they what they request like i say i appreciate your time tonight and hopefully judge a position that's opening up in grand haven as many of you know judge lewis retiring he's been on the bench for thirty years and his position is the one that has been vacated currently i'm a magistrate in ottawa county i've been  for five years i was part time magistrate four years prior to that while i practiced full time with a law firm and going up and it was a litigation firm and so i had a lot of i've had a lot of experience in front of the court but as a magistrate i'm now on the bench  and i've had a good experience being on the bench the types of cases that cases that i handle are small claims cases which are civil litigation matters traffic ticket hearings so informal  hearings misdemeanor arraignments on certain misdemeanor charges penalties misdemeanors that have penalties of ninety or ninety three days and last and fined five hundred dollars or less and then i signed search warrants arrest warrants i fill in for the judges when they're not available video arraignments and things of that nature the job that i currently hold to the attorney position is as close to being a judge as you can get without being elected i've endorsed by judge klute which i feel is a great honor that he would endorse me to fill his position and i have also been endorsed by right to life and and many other individuals and organizations so a little bit about i grew up in the west michigan area i grew up in the granville wyoming area i went to college in christian high school in granville and then i graduated from calvin college after that i want to do for detroit college of law which subsume subsequently became a michigan state university law school so i'm a michigan state law school grad by default i guess when i first got out a law school i worked as a pre hearing attorney or research attorney for the court of appeals and that was for about a year and a half and then i  him that i was with for about eighteen years the litigation firm and we primarily did commercial collections and then as i said for the last five years i've been the fulltime magistrate so i feel that i'm very qualified for the position of district court judge and i would certainly appreciate any consideration that you would have when it comes time to voting next november this coming november and november sixth is the election if you have any questions i'd be happy to answer them i'll stay  o the meeting if anyone has any questions either the the board or anyone in the audience i'd be happy to talk to any of you about mr heller thank you for being here and you know we all got a copy of your brochure and there's a website on there you might as well you  a very good thank you for being here thank you very much i appreciate the microphone is still open if anyone would care to good evening welcome can you hear me and clear my name is west on a davis and i live at three six nine stratford way apartment one and i know that you guys have responded to janine who recently spoke but i would just like to support her in both of the issues in the community policing just being proactive vs reactive is huge being an advocate and developing relationships with people in the community  mind please that in the neighborhood of holland heights bright and stratford in abyan oxford court is a very highly populated area and one of the challenges that we face is that each one of those proactive and maintaining a healthy neighborhood and we thank you for yours or always well we we thank you for coming tonight and expressing your concern and discussing with us we definitely appreciate it and you know you're free to stay as long as you want the meeting you don't have to but i would note that the chief of police is in the back of the room so if you want to chat with him as well i'm sure he'd welcome additional conversation and discussion with you ok thank you thank you very much others who wish to address coun ok then we have my agenda here we will move on to item fourteen e two point one from a park and recreation department park recreation transportation services airport board the regional authority and he can speak to this project and her during boulevard is actually the it's the main entrance road into west michigan regional airport it serves that function for for a number of years now and the road is in very poor condition the subsurface of the road is not up to city standards nor certainly state highway standards or road standards and the surface is deteriorating has been doing so over the years it's basically there's no  or now it's just asphalt and very limited with it as well so this proposal is to reconstruct europe boulevard provide curbs and gutters the airport authority would like a boulevard as well so it is all common in just a minute if they like it to the point where they are willing to pay for the entire cost of constructing that boulevard what is proposed to to you in terms of a budget for funding this project is estimated at the total project will be  about nine hundred and twenty seven thousand dollars five hundred forty eight thousand of that amount will come from a state michigan department transportation economic development grant that is part of a number of roads that we've improved for that grant over the past three years this is actually the final project of that particular grant so of the nine hundred twenty seven thousand dollars cost for the project five hundred  forty eight thousand or so will come through that grant two hundred fifty thousand dollars of that amount will come through the airport to west michigan airport authority one hundred five thousand through the city of holland to actually that city of holland portion a large portion of that amount has already been expended for the design of this project that cost about eighty five thousand dollars and we used the city's contribution for for that cost and then also there was a couple of private interests who are who have asked for specific improvements as part of this project they will fund a most twenty four thousand dollars of the cost so the bulk of the cost is being funded through the economic development growth grant and then also through the west michigan airport authority bids have been received for the project will receive eight bids relatively close in cost but they are higher than what the internet estimate that was given to you prior to bidding the low bid it was submitted by camming and rivets in the amount of seven hundred eighty five thousand five hundred forty four dollars and seventy cents there are other costs for the project again i mentioned the design we have a contingency in here of five percent for the project there's some administrative in legal costs as well that gets us to the total project amount of the nine hundred twenty seven thousand for twenty six so the recommendation to you this evening is that you accept that low bid submitted by came again and reverts in the amount of seven hundred eighty five thousand five hundred forty four dollars and seventy cents however that acceptance is provided that the official notice of award is contingent upon is authorized to be issued following receipt of a notice to proceed from the michigan department of transportation i want to make sure i got that in the recommendation that you authorized the mayor in deputy city clerk to execute the agreements subject to receipt of that notice to proceed in the issuance of the notice of award also subject to approval as to form by the city attorney that you approve the budget that's in the city managers report in at the city share of the project budget be funded through the st capital projects fund i should note that the airport authority put a cap on their contribution at this point to the two hundred fifty thousand so if we need to redo some features of the project such as in essence before desert storm sewers are a retention pond or water houses water going to yours are going to go in a good question because of the new state standards we do have to make sure that we provide special accommodations for storm water runoff that will be done to the east of this project and inland totally on airport property right now but that will be accommodated in f action and that is one of the reasons that the actual bid costs are higher than the original engineers estimate i will note oh nancy please go ahead i just think it's really exciting that we can begin to have an air gateway that record that reflects the community and so that when people come in to do business in this area they'll  the entrance as soon as they hit the ground as well as in the play of their comments i will note that i am one of the city of holland representatives on the bus machine or port authority board and  expressed some reluctance at our meeting on monday about the increased the cost bids that came in be on the engineers estimates and as we all know a pyramid want to make clear for the public those increased cost did not affect the city of the the additional cost however the problem that we have is that the bulk of the funding is coming from this state department of transportation grant and we have been told on previous occasions and have no a strong indication that the d o t will change its mind this time around that all the projects need to be basically completed by the end of the calendar year and there is simply not enough time i don't think to redesign and alter the design in such a way to bring some of the costs down long term i think it will be a good thing in the short term a little disappointed but considering the presence of state money the strings that get attached in the deadlines that get attached when having that's state money involved i'd sure i see a good option other than approving this so with that any other comments please call  yes mayor dykstra yes the motion passes all right thank you takes us to fourteen e two point three the first of two items on the holland municipal stadium the first of which is to approve a purchase agreement and we have a motion to accept some recommendation greg will you be introducing this item is will we have been talking now for quite some time about how to make improvements to the stadium and working in the clabbered effort with hope college and with holland public schools and we if you have approve various steps along the way whether it be resolutions to concur with the collaborative effort and encourage it to move forward to accepting bids for providing a new synthetic turf at the stadium which was funded  in total by hope college what we have before you seeding you also authorize us you declared actually the stadium as surplus and authorized us to seek bids for its sale and we have received one that is from hope college and we have come to an agreement on a purchase actually we're calling it a purchase and sale agreement and let me just highlight some of the key components for that agreement the first is the purchase price will be nine hundred  fifty two thousand three hundred fifty dollars that's a couple thousand dollars less than what we had put in the bid documents but that's due to the fact that the survey of the property was actually completed after we solicited bids rather than prior so we just didn't have the timing in the most advantageous sequence there to accomplish that so actually recommending because there's a little less area than what we  thought a reduction of two thousand dollars in the price of the prices nine fifty to three fifty there's a ninety day inspection period for hope where they've got some due diligence to do on doing looking at the title documents and so forth and they want we have some time to make sure that they can do that there's also as we've talked about a federal grant that we haven't totally resolved this was a grant that the city entered into in  seven with the economic development of ministration of the federal government that was for five hundred fifty thousand that was used in part or used to fund a part of the stadium improvements so the stadium improvements ha been there since one thousand nine hundred seventy eight i believe and were funded in part by this grant we have all sorts of files and this grant in and reporting for this grant and on the construction that occurred as part of this grant but we don't have direct records that go back to the actual grant document back in one thousand nine hundred seventy seven not in our archives not in current files where we can actually pull out that document and look at the conditions of that particular grant we have the office has been a very big help for us in contacting the economic development administration i have had conversations with them and they only keep records for a ten year period so they don't have the grant document either and so what they have asked from us is that we provide them with assurance that there is nothing in the title work that would indicate a mortgage or any kind of lean or anything leading back to this grant  review of the title document so far i've indicated there is no such lien or any kind of encumbrance due to this grant on the on the documents so it's a matter of getting the paperwork to the economic development in disparate administration that they need in order to sign a release of all conditions so we think that's going to happen in the very near future if that did not happen for whatever reason hope college would have the ability to rescind their purchase and we would provide them we would pay the money back to them but we have all the confidence of that will not occur other conditions for closing one is that there be an agreement between hope college in holland public schools for use by the public schools use of the stadium continued use for football they have entered into an agreement with holland public schools for a twenty five year use of the stadium for a public football games at no rent serve holland public football games they will bill holland public for that but otherwise i think there's a one dollar rent that holland public would pay over that twenty five year period so an agreement that holland public is pleased with  it that hope has approved as well so that is in place also another condition is that the city's master plan and parks and recreation plan be amended to delete the stadium and though the process to do that is already underway through the planning commission they've set the public hearings yesterday for both the master plan amendments in and also for rezoning of the property to the education district that's another condition of th sale and several other conditions as you look at the at the map the city manager cut in is put on the screen there is an easement for the entrance road from fairbanks avenue into the stadium that has traditionally been an entrance road to the stadium this will be an easement for hope colleges use of that city owned property for the stadium second easement is for use of the parking lot which is part of the sale so the parking lot will be owned stadium parking lot will be owned by hope college but there will be an easement that would allow the city use of the parking lot for small and park or for any events at the stadium that the city sponsors and in the thirty's meant is for access off of sixteenth street and that's really access that is used now for the stadium from sixteenth street through the cemetery the extreme west portion of pilgrim home cemetery there would be an easement for the width of that pavement provided to the stadium provide secondary access to the stadium and there's also the condition of hope desires to improve that road they would do so at one hundred percent of their cost however if we mutually agree that that road needs to be approved it during any point during the easement we would fund that fifty fifty so those of the three easements that are part of this particular agreement  the city also would retain a right of first refusal in the event that hope at some point a future would decide to sell the property now during the term of their agreement holland public i believe holland public would have that first ri refusal then we would be in a second put it position but after that agreement expires the city would be in a first position the reason for that is obviously the city owns a significant portion of property adjacent to the stadium whether it be the cemetery  or small and bird park so we'd like to have the first option to decide whether or not it would be of value to the citizens of the city to acquire that property there's also utility easements on there that we reserve  easements and i think i have covered all the conditions of the sale in a city attorney may have more comments but i would just mention to you that the recommendation then we made a couple of comments leading into the recommendation we recommend that you approve this agreement but i think also this is just been a great example i think of a collaborative effort by really three separate entities serving the same community we all operate the three of us under different regulations  different guidelines hope college being a private college holland public being a public school district in the city of holland being a governmental unit and really i think what this shows is just great stewardship resources in our community know pressure but if you want to say something feel free to do so you'd rather not that's fine too or go back  long process to be honest i think we met every friday every other friday for about a year at seven thirty in the morning to just keep keep this process going and i think of of all the people involved in this i want to give robinson he really was the one who kept this moving and made it possible and then he was joined by mayor cotton assistant city manager cotton after he assumed his new rol school's out that we we did invite holland christian initially to be a part of this effort and they were there for the first part of it and then decided that this would probably be better if  they were not a part of it any longer but we certainly included them at the beginning and i rather suspect that this is a bit of an unprecedented initiative on the part of these three entities to come up with something that we really feel will be in the best interests of the city of holland and its people and i think that with the improvements that have already been made that you can see that this will be a facility that to all of us will be proud of hope it and operate it but we certainly are willing to share it centrally no cost to either the city or to holland public schools it will not get worn out by use but rather by the weathering that occurs on an artificial surface and so i think overall it's a great solution to a challenging situation where the field in a stadium was in a deteriorating condition and i also like to think a mulder for his efforts in this whole process he was at many of our meetings the mayor was at several of our meetings and city council for all of your work on this and then just to close the noose on this from hope i'd like to think  tom and our attorney joel ballance for their work on this it really was a very collaborative effort with very few disagreements we were able to resolve differences i think in a in a complimentary way and we're just grateful that this could come to fruition and thank you for your pardon thank you very much comments helpful at all nancy will turn to you first it's just great to see people come from elsewhere and ask how does how do its town go on relationship and how can you develop such a positive atmosphere in the community with a college so close to downtown and it's all about the people who work hard to make solutions happen and to be mutually beneficial in their in the that solution development and being able to all step back and say what's the best way to serve the community who uses it when we don't want to have stadiums on every corner how can we do this and  the best way with finances when dealing in the city department and the deterioration of the stadium when it was appraised the value of all of the lighting and bleachers and everything was basically valued at zero because all of it was thirty years old so everything needs to be replaced and we really do not have the funding to be able to do that and we do really appreciate the way whatever hope does it does with excellence and whenever we hand over an area of property that we work out an equitable fashion we know that  they are going to be great stewards of that property and we will be proud of it for generations to come and they're open door policy for public schools for a quarter of a century unbelievable and generous and also for the city to be able to use it for the few times that we do need to use it it's great to have that mutually beneficial arrangement i'm just very grateful for all the legal things and all the different levels of committees that had to approve the state have it in a legal reasonable fashion things don't happen quickly in new turning a big ship but all the experts that we had involved that  stayed with it day in and day out as president bachmann said over the years time it really made such a difference in the whole community is going to benefit from the work of these few so we are very grateful to greg  and president paul menton and andy mulder the mayor and storen wolf was involved in ryan cat and certainly also i think so and had the original vision that you know we don't want to have a stadium on every corner and he really started getting things together for this so we have had such a novel and wise people in leadership here for many generations and it is an awesome gift and a huge responsibility  for each of us as we go into the future to continue to make decisions that we can be grateful for and appreciate those who have come before us so it's a really exciting thing to come to this time thank opportunity the opportunity that this transaction has presented for not just the city but for the college and school system as well and i just want to reiterate those previous comments that we are now seeing already with the turf and ment's transformation of that facility that in no way could have been possible absent this kind of collaborative spirit and especially can without hopes leadership in this whole process you know as i look at this image that's on the screen of the specific map area you know it looks brown first of all so you think that could have been taken this summer but the field surface is entirely different now and looks spectacular but also the area to the east or to the right hand side of the that the red outline also looks entirely different now than what it does in this image and that is because hope continues and has continued to enhance this part of our city with its presence and as i believe nancy indicated earlier when hope does something they don't do it halfway look around campus from the oldest building to the newest there is incredible quality and pride with which the college builds its building and maintains its property we see it in the stadium now we see it in the tennis facility that is in this now in this right hand area that no longer shows just a field we see it in the the housing units that are under construction as we speak right now de vos field house on down the list really hopes investment in our community one of our largest employers one of our most important community institutions and assets hopes involvement and investment in this part of our city really cannot be overstated in any sort of way imagine what this part of our city looks like absent the the attraction of these athletic facilities up fair banks and you have soccer stadiums and vos field house it is an incredible gateway from the east to the city and aside from that it also brings in a lot of visitors a lot of visitors who come for camps a lot of visitors who come for games and you know we in holland sometimes i think take for granted the special relationship that we've got with the college and of the college has with us but if you travel around and if you talk to college presidents in places if you talk with mayors who have colleges in their communities you don't really get you do get the sense that this is something incredibly special either the relationship is bad or the college just simply isn't part of the community at all so we really have the best of all worlds and you know publicly again let me express appreciation to expect express continued to commitment to this fantastic partnership that we've developed since the early days of both the college and the community one final thing september first is the annual community day celebration happens that the picnic lunch happens on the boss field house lawn this year followed by football games and i think a soccer game as well and then on september twenty two that saturday there will be a dedication of the field i think i might date right yes if there were twenty to be a dedication of the of the stadium the tennis facility that that i've mentioned a few times so thank you and this is an incredible incredible addition to our city into our community please call peters yes birch yes yes stadium issue fourteen eef two point four the operations and maintenance agreements sure greg will go to you again thank you so as we move through satisfying the various conditions in order to close on the sale in the meantime hope is constructed does significant significant improvements as we've mentioned previously at the field what we're proposing to you this evening actually during our budget review we do have deleted resources that we used to devote to the stadium to maintenance and operation of the stadium so we have presented to you this evening an agreement between hope college in the city where they would take over responsibility for operations and maintenance of the stadium through this fall so it would operate in the same manner as if the property had closed for just a couple of details but they'll be responsible again for operations maintenance of all the facilities at the stadium they'll be responsible for scheduling the city until we close on the property will be in a first position on use of the stadium except as long as it doesn't conflict with hope and holland public football activities we don't have anything planned for this fall so i don't think that will come into play but that is one of the provisions in the agreement hope will be responsible for concessions in clean up really in accordance with their agreement with holland public schools so we'll just be implementing  earlier and just conducting all of those activities this fall we will allow them to have access to locker rooms at the pool so both public and hope during the term of this agreement and all insurance conditions so forth have been noted in the agreement as well so our recommendation is that you approve a proposal the proposed fall two thousand and twelve operations and maintenance agreement with hope college for the stadium the mayor's first annual flag football tournament didn't quite make it across your desk at the job they've agreed to construct a sky box rye yeah that would be a joke right there somebody is watching tonight from the whole department of public safety fifteen hundred dollars from state farm insurance dallas smoke insurance agency get it for thirty one east eighth street and they have they hope to have the donation used for the purchase of ballistic vests i would ask all in favor please say i i pose the same that passes taking us down to communications item fifteen from the city manager who does not want to be mayor absolutely although you might want to on positions of leadership in a way that is mutually beneficial to those departments announcement i want to make is consistent with something that was discussed six months ago in relation to possible retirements of senior staff and we've already seen some of that happen the need to develop a succession plan that succession plan is somewhat strategic and it did hands on timing and timetables are not entirely known at this time  do they relate to personal matters however we are anticipating the need to have middle management staff in a very strong position to possibly look to be looked at for possible promotions over time so to that end we have what we are calling a hall and leadership academy which is an internal training program which will be kicked off before the time we meet again with an august thirty introductory class they'll be meeting each week with support of chanda our personal human relations director who is administering many details in my personal support on a weekly basis and we will be training the future leaders of the administration during this process i'm pleased to say that we had to close the number class list at twenty we had more than that want to be part of this succession planning and leadership academy so we do have a great deal of interest in your team in stepping up and we hope that this training which will extend the entire breadth of this before affairs from bowl law to planning to management to other facilities and services will be hosting this class each facility will host one of the classes between now and  november will be an opportunity for people to know everything they need to know to succeed and continue the tradition of high quality in a straight leadership in our staff going forward so i just wanted you to know that that was taking place and the efforts of chandra in this regard and we will look forward to some of your support along the way especially at graduation time which is a day to be determined in december you'll be invited to participate and congratulate our graduates of the leadership academy all right thank you for someone who spends perhaps a little more time at city hall than others and counsel i can attest to the fact that in our sort of younger and middle management ranks we do have some very fine and talented people and i greg's interest in seeing develop that leadership potential within our own ranks so thank you very much sixteen communications from the mayor we have normal things that i like to say at this particular time which is of course check out city of holland dot com you can find lots of information about the city of holland how to contact each one of us information about permits and taxes hand meeting schedules and all sorts of things along those lines  we try to put as much information on that website as we possibly can so that people can access it wherever they are whenever they need it so city of holland dot com also as i mentioned we have some upcoming things live the latest of community day and those sorts of events coming up begin to put those on your calendar school starts in the next few weeks so begin to be especially careful in the earlier mornings and mid afternoon as students are both coming and going from school please finally for me this evening it is no secret that in the past month or so holland has received perhaps more attention than it ordinarily does and most of that attention relates to certain matters having to deal with nathan does in ski and the hot dog cart matter suffice it to say if you've read for example the grand rapids press today there is i think  misperception as to what the city has done and why the city has done certain things i will only say this at this particular point in time the success of our downtown area has attracted many people to want to do the kinds of activities with mobile food carts that nathan has has wanted to do and they've all been told the same thing that nathan was which is that this is a good idea but not in this location given the uniqueness of our downtown area and the additional assessments that come on top of the regular property taxes which make it what it is you know obviously the specific circumstances in nathan's situation are incredibly unique they are both inspirational and in some ways very heartbreaking especially when one thinks about the past twenty four forty eight hours and some of the stories that have come out not so much about nathan himself but about  members of nathan's family and i would also say this that we in city hall me personally other members of council have certainly been supportive of trying to assist nathan in locating a specific location in which there is not this zoning issue and in which there would be high traffic kinds of activities that could happen to help him have a successful business there we've also offered to him  permission for the sale of goods and food at various city parks during highly attended concerts we've done try to do other things and frankly for a number of weeks though i personally had met with him in later july after the initial event happened and have followed up subsequently with additional e mails offering and reiterating that degree of support we didn't get any response whatsoever and i think frankly i took that as an int as an indication in addition to all the coverage that had been going on and in many ways the the sort of slanted opinion type coverage that had been going on that frankly nathan and his family weren't terribly interested in our offers of support over the past few days as we've seen i think we have a better understanding i at least have a better understanding of perhaps why the communication has not been as frequent and as flowing between us and nathan's family you know again i don't want to get into details but certainly there is a lot going on in nathan's life and in this famil s life that is above and beyond and unrelated to the hot dog cart matter and you know one cannot look at nathan and not both be inspired and concerned about his familial situation and the struggles that  i will say this as well that members of the city staff and members of council and i have regularly thought about how we might find additional ways to assist nathan especially in light of the news of the past few days and at the same time we recognize and know that what makes downtown holland so unique and so successful is in many ways kind of the formula we've developed over a long time a collaborative process a way that people work together and pitch in and do strategic planning such that things don't happen quickly or rationally and we wanted to know we're trying to balance these two issues and so we looked at for example is there are there ways potentially to modify as zoning law or are there ways to you know change certain other city ordinances and ultimately we came to the conclusion that there's no way to do that quickly or there is no way to do that quickly that doesn't have that at least the very real potential of substantial adverse consequences to the unique mix of activities we have in our successful downtown and the focus had been on trying to figure out ways to  allow nathan potentially to set up on the specific property that that was being looked at well with with the events of the past few days and frankly the recent as in this past weekend successful again sidewalk sale event downtown it caused us to come up with an idea and it does not involve modifying any of our city ordinances it simply involves us with councils concurrence using one of our existing city ordinances to allow for a temporary basis on a temporary basis nathan to sell his hot dogs in the public's eye on the public sidewalk in front of reliable sports the spot that he had was all along wanted to be in front of the ordinance is in place it's what allows us for example to authorize sidewalk sales or other kinds of events on city streets or on city sidewalks and it requires the concurrence and the approval of council it would be a temporary solution and i don't think again any of us want to quickly or rationally make decisions that have long term implications for our successful downtown without going through a process to make sure that there is great and wide buy in great participation decision making process and ultimately a strategic focus that has really been the hallmark of the way we do things in holland and specifically the way we do things in downtown to that end we have had a variety of discussions informally around here and we're not unique in holland in that discussion about what you know what do what could we do what might we do with food carts that are now much more popular and much more interesting in vibrant urban settings than what they were even five years ago how might we as a community as a city seek to enhance excuse me seek to enhance our downtown in such a way that there isn't really an issue of give or take but it enhanced is the entirety of our entire downtown again we operate on the principle of collaboration and strategic planning so what i would also like to see us do is gather together a task force of some members of council some city planning staff certainly downtown merchants and businesses members of our community and others those are just the ones that immediately come to mind to study this issue in a way that hopefully next summer in the spring summer and and thirteen we can set up a pilot project and the spot that everybody keeps coming to in our downtown that would seem to be the likely spot for a pilot project of this nature is the eighth street marketplace for those who know obviously appear in behind the dyess we know the street marketplace for those who are in holland they know the street marketplace but the street marketplace is where we currently and have had for many years a very very successful and thriving farmer's market two days a week in the summer spring summer and fall and as part of that farmer's market we have in fact seen the kinds of mobile food vendors that nathan for example is trying to do so is there a way to capitalize on the existing infrastructure we have in place with this vibrant marketplace area right in our downtown in a way that is not detrimental to the brick and mortar businesses but can be set up in a way that complements enhances those businesses so that the group the sum of the whole is greater than the mere addition of its parts so i would have tried to talk with each of you before our meeting tonight given the sort of quickness with which all of these events of recent nature have happened i would like to see us do two things one there is a draft resolution before you to specifically deal with section thirty two dash one of our existing ordinances the piece that deals with municipal council approval of commercial use is in the public right of way for a temper on a temporary basis and then i would like though not formal action tonight i'd like to you know have some degree of further discussion in the near future about establishing a task force that would look at ways to get broad community buy  for the enhancement of our downtown on a pilot program basis for two thousand and thirteen with the addition of mobile vendors in the in the marketplace area so i guess i would place that before you for your consideration  and and potential action this evening at least as it relates to the temporary use of public property for commercial activity nancy i'm sorry that sounds reasonable and measured and wise in light of all that has happened and and in the context of what we want to do for the future too i don't think you should we ever want to have policies about development downtown that stay the same for generations because things change and people change in expectations of a social space and retail space change so it's good for us to stop and think about it once and i do think it would be a good thing for nathan to be able to have an opportunity at the location he wants to be at especially at this time in his life may i seek a bit of clarify are you offering that as the proposed resolution as a motion thank you thank you is is there support for that motion from council member to bore supported by whiteman ok is there any discussion that anyone else would care to have on this particular topic i would just  us space to contemplate that which we we have before us in this situation so i would again support when nancy said it seems reasonable and lets us take a  considerable look at what it means long term for the community as well so i'll support mr mayor could i was just a day when you play one on one comment the resolution that council has before tonight deals with the public right of way and i know that the mayor has articulated that position loud and clear there may be some confusion in the community and the news media as to how is this really different than what was originally proposed by nathan while all of the analysis that has been done to date about the c three zone district as related to uses on private property and in the c three zone district is very clear that if a food cart or food wagon is operated on public excuse me have private property it is not permitted what the council is doing tonight is to allow a portion of the public right away under section thirty two one b which allows the city to allow temporary events and to allow the commercial uses of the right of way again it's been emphasized that this is that something that has suddenly been rolled out as a novel situation here this is often done for them it's we've done it in in the corridor district of columbia we've done it on numerous occasion so it is certainly a methodology that has been historically used in the past but i just want to make sure the public understands the news media stands that this is not a use on private property that would be subject to the conditions of the c three zone district but really an overture by the city to allow commercial use of this designated area with the limited restrictions that are contained in that resolution there are some concerns that i feel very important to bring forth at this point on this whole decision it wasn't but two weeks ago that we had the young man and his parents standing before us asking for us to reconsider  the ordinance and i believe at that time we forded that out of the planning commission for recommendation it was suggested i believe that we did if we didn't then we should but regardless if that happened i think part of the discussion was that that was the proper department to take a look at this at this time my concern is that we would potentially usurp some of their authority by go ahead and do that right now another concern that i have is the precedent that is being set here i fully understand the circumstances i fully understand why we're trying to accomplish this i have sympathy for that but we're also looking at a broader potentially a broader spectrum here and i'm just struggling in my mind are we doing ourselves a disservice are we actually doing for the better good of the city by doing something like this as a what i call a band aid instead of as you were proposing here putting the group putting a group together to actually look at this and put some good solid words behind it as i said i have not yet made up my mind those are some of the concerns that i have  definitely be looking for hearing to hear from other mammals i can't talk tonight other members of council on this specific situation before the vote is called thank you mike i'll turn having the planning commission take a look at this i think is valid if we were looking at it as a zoning issue explicitly i think that makes perfect sense unfortunately having the planning commission do its thing and deliberate and then placing any changes on first reading second reading that works i'm not sure we would be able to have anything resolved before labor day or even before even the snow comes and one of the issues i think this resolution helps is allows nathan to start selling hot dogs as soon as possible and i think that's one thing that we've we've wanted to look at we haven't we have been as quick on that as perhaps we should have we been looking at the zoning issue we have been looking at those ways to look at help and so on private property and looking at the public right away is a temporary option  i think allows him and allows us to be a bit flexible in this case and i think long term we have to look at what that zoning issue means and if there are other solutions that we can look at honestly i love the idea of having a potential incubator at the marketplace i think that has the potential to be very successful if we can find a way to make it an open market a place where people can experiment with food and experiment with sales and experiment with new ideas i'm a big believer in these little types of experiments that could potentially have big payoff and that payoff being someone who create something that's so special and so good and so in the case of food delicious they have no choice but they have to have a brick and mortar place a street or wherever else so that's why i'm i'm actually very excited about this it satisfies our desire to help nathan it satisfied in some  way the needs of the entrepreneurs who built it street into what it is today and it has the long term potential to be a very promising opportunity for those who want to use it people who come to celebrate and i appreciate that you said something that just triggered with me that i think there is a misperception out in the general public the press who are you want to talk to is that we have not denied anything from selling we have denied nathan from selling hot dogs at that specific location that's correct we have and i believe the mayor may have touched on this but he has gone out of his way to accommodate the young man to help with that spirit i'm i'm in business applaud exactly what you said and i would not want to quash that in any way shape or form this town has been made by the entrepreneur spirit and continues to thrive because of that side it's just that point  clarification that we have not denied the young man from selling he had his permits on a county past all that inspections whatever the case may be it was just this specific location that got him in trouble and we as city or specifically the mayor and possibly some city staff is going out of their way to help comedy this young man so that he could whether he took it up took up on it or not it was his decision but  don't let's get make sure we're clear right now that we did not preclude this man from selling his hot dog and this young man for selling drugs except in this one spot  i'm sorry please since we're in the clarifying mood and i think there's also a perception that the nine of us came together and made that decision that not that spot and i can understand how that perception comes about when these things hit fast and they hit the media but the reality is that's not the case it wasn't the night coming of this diocese or some secret meeting and saying no that spot's not there this ordinance has been in place for some to planning commission but correct me if i'm wrong appeals for zoning go to the board of appeals and so if in fact there was an appeal to be made that was formal in nature that would be the spaceport i understand the the plea that was made from the microphone from the family but i don't recollect that we referred it with action from the nine of us to the planning commission i don't believe that to be the case because i think we would have been corrected in that it would have been channeled to the board appeals where usage and zoning issues are appeal on a regular basis so if we're going to clarify let's clarify all the way and i think the point i'm trying to make here is that the nine of us having come together to make these decisions by ourselves and say no not that site rather administration has enforced that site per the rules that have been in place from a previous council and so mike you make some valid points in terms of precedent brian you make great points and again i remain supportive of it it seems to m sense in terms of the approach we're taking in really getting our heads around it a much larger issue than just this one person but rather what's the long term approach for the city as a whole you know what's the what's a really good solution to this how do we protect downtown people who have paid big bucks for snow melt who pay big bucks for free parking who pay big taxes who help on thursday night entertainment how do we balance that between somebody who has a really unique idea who's thirteen who came to us last fall and said here's my idea i was inspired by that how do we balance that out how do we how do we do it responsibly it's a very difficult one to decide and i guess it's in my mind it's reasonable to give him an opportunity and then study this on a bigger issue for next year do i feel totally comfortable with it no but i would feel totally not comfortable denying him an opportunity as well so in balance you know i guess i would i would think it's reasonable to do a ten in the morning to ten at night until october thirty one is that what it states in there i'm reading it right that in the way it's been drafted yet it may be important to read the whole amendment so the people in the audience and the people up there and they may not be able to see it that we really understand exactly what we're doing so it is an easy one to do know is it is a there were no matter what we do there are people who are going to be upset why didn't you do it before we got there and it all started with a little hot dog stand called the dog house i remember driving back by that when i was younger living in chicago and now portillo's has employs four thousand people  has like seventeen locations of brick and mortar restaurants so i think the potential farmer's market and launching stands is a kind of exciting possibility i'd like that i have not had as much time to think about this as you have and i'm sympathetic to the pressure that you have been under from a lot of different angles on an issue that who knows where these issues some of the toughest issues we deal with come out of the sky blue and reminds me of the not walking your dog in the cemetery issue that was probably the most contentious things we talked about and up all the other things we do  you know i've sat through my share of p t s d meetings and i've sat through my share of d d a meetings and i know the detail in which they work through to make our downtown what it is today i have to believe that others have been denied what nathan has asked us for in the past that a fair statement others have asked for this and not received it so i'm trying to separate i am fully appreciative of the situation that nathan now finds himself in i can't speak to the other situations that may have existed when other people have asked to be in our c three district doing the types of things that nathan wants to do and we've said no to that i don't i think there's i don't know how to say this without being clear that before we jump to solve nathan's issues here i think a lot of other people have put a lot of time and effort making sure the rules that we have have sustained their downtown in the areas around it a long time  i'm very much in favor of creating and have a great idea you have is creating some kind of a task force to get with the folks downtown and figure out a way so that next season when snow goes away and or whenever people want to start making downtown vibrant with the weather permits some kind of a strategy that looks at this in a much more holistic  way so that i love the idea of kurt's downtown but there's a reason why we haven't allowed it and i'm wondering where the you know are we letting ourselves get a little bit pressured because this very unique situation and some of the things that i'm with that so i say all those things i have no idea how i would vote on something like this when my name gets called but i would lean toward standing by the rules of the ordinance as we have i think we have nothing to apologize for i think we've gone to great lengths to help this young gentleman s hot he's forced us you know right away and that's how typically how it happens to step back and look at the ordinance and see three and maybe should we do it but to say yes to him when i'm sure we've said no to others i'm struggling with that i guess so but he put a lot of time and thought into this and what's in front of us mr mayor and i appreciate it thank you jay for comments not so much for the other discussion council member i guess there's a couple of this is this is a very sticky situation on a couple ways to look at it yes i think from comments that have been expressed here there's an explicit concern and also an implicit concern as well that maybe hasn't been as verbalized as well but you know there's a couple of ways that we do things obviously we make rules through hopefully a fairly intelligent process and for the good of all and the rules are there in weeks expect everyone to live by them and if you have problems whether well that's the consequences are too bad that's the way it is i've had calls this past summer from our seasonal resident about downtown overnight parking and what a difficult thing it is but there's a process you go through in that they've accepted how it works and and life goes on and that's not a bad approach that's kind of are expected way of doing things because without that it would be a rather chaotic  situation but i guess there's also a reason why we are addressing this and i had it's i don't believe it's strictly out of self preservation are trying to salvage the majority thing like that i think there's as wayne said you know this is a lot to put on a thirteen year old kid and the weight of all this is not strictly on him and i think  to have a thirteen year old who's trying to do something good i think that the goodness of that really is what is what's my sense is that's what's the impetus for our concern and the possibility of this action tonight you know he's at an age where a lot of our kids are we want to nurture them we want to encourage them we want to try to keep them on a a positive path and i have to think that what we're talking about here rises out of concerns of that nature so this is not necessarily the best outcome that i would like to see  but i think for the time being it's a reasonable one i don't see it as a capitulation or again as a as a ploy to make us look good i think it's trying to make the best out of an unfortunate situation  so that maybe if in the short term nathan may have some recourse to salvage part of his season of at least somewhat of a positive outcome from all of us in part it also serves as an opportunity for us to look at a situation that has opportunity you know as brian said it's an opportunity for something new it's you know it's it's an adopting the short term resolution has potential for a good outcome right thank you anyone else my intention at this point is to have a voice vote unless  will try that first and see how it works right you know the motion which has been supported before you will do a voice vote all those in favor of the motion please say i oppose the same the motion passes communications for members of council after what we've just been talking about this is going to be kind of bittersweet or anyway labor day is coming up september third and with that comes a lot of noise it's called the liberty truck parade will be kicking off from zealand proximately nine a m monday going down town zealand going through the nice roads between zealand and holland and ending up at the civic center approximately nine thirty ish there will be ice cream there will be hot dogs boy i have to say that in there will be a lot of trucks there will be a lot of celebration to be had in our fine mayor has agreed also to say a few words so if nothing else come down and see him now no one's going to show up we're going so strong wow ok anyway come on down this is the eight eight annual labor day truck parade it gets bigger every year kids get excited adults get excited i mean how can you not with all this big motor metal right and down eighth street celebrating the  companies that employ the people of our fine city also pay their taxes which is also a good thing so come down and celebrate what labor day is all about be part of the truck  lineup any place you want a long a street there will be some noise and there will be some free gifts at the civic center and that will go on till probably noonish or until the food runs out which is usually pretty quick but nine o'clock in the morning kicks off from zealand down town both downtown ft to the civic center come on down take a look we are looking forward to seeing you labor day september three thank you nancy you're next and what's next in labor day and see well at nine o'clock you can go to the entrance to the heinz waterfront walkway which is between heinz in the marina it's an awesome walk all along the water observing nature and the quiet with your family thinking about the beauty of the world around you and walk all the way to windmill island gardens where in the pavilion we will be making fresh pancakes and sausage and orange juice and coffee to enjoy with your friends and family it's a great healthy way to bring in labor day we have people of all ages and strollers and whatever so it's a wonderful way to take one of those old fashioned walks with people that you know and care about so consider let the labor day board walk to windmill island gardens also it doesn't have the commercial angle to it but it does have a lot of family and healthy walking and just a natural world to enjoy i also wanted to talk about the holland in bloom judges that just left town this past week and the reports are they really loved being here they were very impressed with all the efforts that we have especially in our care for the environment one judge said we are really an example and i think she meant for the nation and that we should put together all the things that we are doing as an area for protecting our environment and have a link to that on our city of holland website so they really seem to enjoy being here and we're very impressed with what we're doing we will not get the results of that contest until the third weekend in september in fayetteville arkansas will be the the site for the convention for the american balloon camp conference so we'll find out then how well we do but so far indications are very good we had perfect weather and everybody in the community camille cooperated so well the all the different stops they learned so much the businesses were so supportive the two are grew great and we just could not have had a better time with them in the city of holland one other thing that i've been talking to people about this past saturday with the funeral for dan price and it was really moving for me to talk to all the different people that were involved in it and realize the number of meetings that go into such a disciplined controlled reaction to such a difficult situation and we didn't really realize how things were going to play out that saturday so we had to be prepared for everything and there were meetings with the facebook people that decided to develop a human shield in order to have that at the during that day and also the patriot guard people that were police just the the whole experience fire department people also at intersections with their trucks and in uniform in order to have a disciplined ordered presence  in our community and the public could not have responded but or it is such a tribute to our community the way the public rises to the occasion and when they asked for silence it was completely silent when a friend of mine said he was part of the patriot guard on the one of the motorcycles and he said when it was silent you could hear the legs whack waving it was so quiet with all those thousands of people and it's it is just really amazing blessing to live in a community that realizes the value of honoring those who deserve such honor and i hope as a community we can continue to circle the price family and care for them and tell them how much we appreciate the sacrifice their sacrifice as well as the sacrifice of so many others that have given their time and their limbs and maybe their life for our freedom one of the things that really struck me in talking to gig where i get there are that the spokesman for the patriot guard in a conversation i had with him yesterday in the process of the conversation he told me that he was a vietnam vet and he knows what it feels to be unappreciated and i thought yeah isn't that it  interviewing another vietnam vet several years ago i was talking to him a in a in the context of a character award and he just karen thetic lee mentioned you know sort of vietnam for a while i said would you say i said i served in vietnam for a while i said you did it's a thank you for your service it's like well you know it's something i didn't mention for ten years i said really that is such a slap in the face of america for a warrior to have to respond that way to his service for our country and i and i said to gig yesterday you know you could have taken the reaction of the country to your service and become bitter and gnarled as a person and instead you have used your life to give back to others and and communicate a level of honor for those who serve in our country and all you've said throughout this whole conversation is it's all about the veteran and his family that's all we're here for that's all what we want to do in being involved and i said you are such an example to me and how to respond to life's adversity and the difficult ways that other people can treat us that instead of channeling it in a negative fashion to turn to serve is the way to grow as an individual and to really change the world in the long run and i hope through all of this that we learn that american can learn that we will no longer put our opinion about a war effort i'm someone who has served that we will always recognize the sacrifice of that individual and the first words out of our mouth to anyone in uniform will be thank you for your service thank you nancy and the