occupants in the car or it goes the reason suspicion that germ is involved in criminal activity that we don't even have that in this case and we don't know it was even in these cars here well ok a reasonable half miles away from the murder scene three and a half hours afterwards so this is not an temporal proximity to defense nor in tampa are in distance proximity is this is three and a half hours away urban area far away from the just want to be sure about a couple of things sure brittany was murdered right yes she was dead ok and when they were doing their investigation they talked to the family members and some friends and they all said that your client and threatened her in the past and there had been incidents of domestic by once where there had been mistaken incidents in the past and they been or may have been threatening text messages or phone calls we don't know how close in proximity those were to britney is that we don't know when they broke up on the record we don't know those how close in time to the seizure identifying that association was to say there are places where he might have gone if he was trying to escape i think it was i believe that the officers were sent out to try to talk to  so they sent police officers to all four of the locations the records a little unclear on if just three officers were going to go to off addresses or was going to be  know that the tectum were heading out to sea off already ok and so the detectives that were witnesses here went to the end dress that had with this sisters that's right they went to one of the four associated thought they did not see either of the vehicles that were eventually seized at ten eighteen so they toured around the area went to the back of the house didn't see either of the vehicles there returned to the front of the house and something is there where the office of the first times saw to be a false now there's a difference between detective abbey was testimony was that the two cars were going northbound and some of the other two detectives said it was either in the alley or leaving from the driveway which is attached to the reality of the address so it's unclear from the record where it's there's a there's a difference of opinion between the two detectives the three detectives were all in the same car so this isn't like there are three separate vehicles there and was there on  i also know that there is no evidence that either of these vehicles were anywhere near the crime scene that evening these are two i know in vehicles traveling around this area and i think we covered that the seizure occurred three and a half hours and three and a half miles away from the crime scene and you know turning to detective deals on workers they stopped the minivan hope to check for occupants of and to quote know who was in the vehicles this is the definition of a mere hunch by these terrorist it wasn't clear to me whether you agree with the contention that it was a terrorist i do not agree that they had reasonable suspicion to stop jeremy green that not agree that jeremy could have been reasonably sees that but there is no prior statements from family members or texts or anything like that  the police were notified at approximately eleven thirty at night there was no unconscious person in the park they went there and they found that the emperor knew both his body she had been stamped numerous times numerous times during the three hours initially following the finding of her body they were in contact with her parents they were checking their own records going through things at the police station they became aware that the defendant was britney's and for your friend that he had been sending her texts voice mail from you and her that there was an order the alley or the front and some of the vehicles leave from this house and then on been a very short time it's still two fifty three in the morning there was probably know what the traffic in the area and they thought it was reasonable to believe that jeremy might well be the right that's correct i don't think these were investigating they're going the middle of the night i am they were working with whatever resources they had a hand in trying to coordinate a number of investigations encounter with someone that someone deceased persons parents that may know something about ok and then what about some of the right this person i've been led to believe might be because one of the officers candidly testified that they did not believe they had power because at the time does not mean he has to turn around and say to all of his officers during the dispatch during their meeting by the way we believe that there is a much it was insufficient to stop a vehicle that you see the i don't know if there's nothing in me of mace and that i don't there's nothing in the record that i can recall that that car was actually stopped it may have been the only information we have was that officer rocket stopped this car and that sergeant green observed that as he was coming out of the