morally worded it's just totally snobbish ok like the reason i'm looking at this what is considered acceptable thing to read i keep coming back to this is we don't get to determine what's considered acceptable popularity determine what's acceptable if some piece of garbage is viewed a billion times that person is making money on it there's an interest in excitement about it and frankly i mean this politely you tube is not about masterful works of cinema it's sometimes just about entertainment and we're comparing something like what's that english kid my finger charlie charlie that's right charlie and my four year old knows this that's not video that's entertainment that's home movies i mean that's like saying comparing to home video camera use having a negative impact on the long term video quality that that got me pinched a little bit no one jump on it so i know opened up well you know it's funny i think my initial response to the question my gut response is not what my final response is my gut response is of course you t is as dumb down the quality of all of us to see kind of some of the results of what happens coming through the classrooms here and some things but i think that what you tube is done well there's a number of things and i want to put my i guess techno evangelist pat on second because i think that too often like this too often i don't know how too often technology gets a bad rap from people these all these sorts of things whereas i think there's actually hold in all those theories which could be a number of shows we could talk about but it all comes back to to people really determining that sort of thing but i don't think enough good ss is said about what technology has done and and you too being a prime example of allowing somebody to create something get a global audience immediately get feedback on what they're doing and have that same platform that anybody else has is really an amazing thing that we sometimes forget and we're so quick to to adapt to these technologies that we forget that you know a number of years ago i mean beyond the public access television there wasn't there was no real platform for the average joe to be able to to do something now unfortunately there's a bad side to that to being out there was so i think it's great somebody can  especially somebody that's the junk is learning how to get into the business whatever you can try things out you can get feedback on fortunately the comment box on most web sites is really how can i put someone down  to have access to that now that's starting to alter because they're going to channels and paid things and stuff like that but but for the most part the fact that you can see someone in their home can create something and have that immediate global audience is is phenomenal and i think what you tube has done is you tube has become like it's i kind of consider america's funniest home videos being the precursor in some ways to you tube it has become the identifier with actually with poor quality not poor quality but with this slice of life type programming because i think if you take a video that's been shot on a cellphone real shaky no lighting it's a cat doing something funny because we know that ninety seven percent of all videos on the internet are cats or kids right there's no not much else and you took away the you tube branding on the corner and you just played a video and you asked somebody and especially somebody younger now where this video come from what is this video they're going to more like and i say that's a you tube video if you took a professionally produced music video did the exact same thing and played it without any branding and you asked him where this come from they  might not have an answer to that or they might say oh you know that's a music video someone did or whatever but it's interesting that you tube i think is almost unconsciously raise a little bit of an awareness of what's is this kind of user generated and generated video versus what's what's professionally done what i think is you know i think what the question was getting to trying to get in the mind of the person account for the question  what i think what we're getting at was acceptable is ten years ago the idea that a news program where a cellphone video or air something from d m z that was shot in somebody's quickly doing this kind of run and gun thing would have been unheard of and now that's become accepted when i actually think that that don't news is probably the place to the should be most fearful of that because i think user generated videos are so immediate so quick you don't have to go through that i think that idea that this whole packaging of a news thing is may start to road away i think because when a natural disaster happens or a shooting happens or any kind of major event was the first thing  war time again many many years ago if you had a video that was breaking up like what's going on and then as you recall when a lot of reporters are in the middle east they started doing more cell phone or just using the instant gratification it's now there's no i can look at as many a video as i want in a day is not going to be any extra cost of time for me which is why they can get that astronomical four billion views apparently a day with that kind of popularity surge that's what allows other people this is this is free entertainment someone else's post and it's like the news you're talking about why should i pay for a camera crew to go out to shoot sears candies were burned whenever half of cans bird was doing that they're all there post interviews right let's just take that and we'll just background there's a lot of stuff going into that but they do it in the ways it doesn't look like there's quality issues i think i think we have to understand the limitations of the content in the time frame whereas someone like myself i'm going to you tube i'm not looking for the quality i'm not expecting good quality because i'm expecting that instagram to get respect in one hit wonder that's just something out there that you can't even write that's of just happening it's almost the candid five you're talking about some videos or as if if i'm looking for something of a fashion quality i'm going to be paying for that and i'm going to be investing my time equally into that it's going to be a longer form of ask me something i'm expecting to not come off like you tube's ever going to break out of that i mean could it become the destination for your news your entertainment your eyes warts your whatever or do you think it's always going to be kind of this i think the question or payment to the question is not you tube it's it's the submission because you tube even right now has for his movies that you can watch for free it has they do the broadcast debates live so that's your  i think i see a lot of good happening with this and that at the same time like i'm teaching right now with my media one kid's video stuff and the most awesome thing about it is the kids walk in marching with experience and practice and they've done basic it we're seeing this explosion fad of i guess poor videography your lack of acceptable neon graffiti but we're also seeing that go in everyone's hands and kids can look at their work and go oh no i'm terrible maybe i need to make some changes or do something or being more aware of it and while that cool is diluted certainly i think to putting that tool that medium into so many more people's hands you're going to find someone who maybe twenty twenty five years ago would never have been exposed to something like this would have never gotten their feet wet video or directing or whatever where it's you know fifty years ago some videography photography even was a rich man's plaything or dalliance to go and now it's everyone and all the time and while the talent may be diluted with a lot of people chances are better that the right guy the right girl is going to get that stuff marion's and make everything better i mean certainly all of us can see that more of the videos been put into people's hands the more cinema has advanced the more as gone over the top and i think we're still seeing that through this newer tool of this now sure we're more accepting of the change of video  i think news reporting is changed forever our views on something like that but it also isn't unique flavor to it you guys mentioned the found footage kinds of things my brain popped in the cloverfield kind of video and tools earlier one is you're talking about money and i'm talking to people in the industry they always complain about now that nobody wants pay for anything anymore because that expectation has become well people to pay for that quarterly they almost because there's an acceptance that a lesser quality can still get the information across to them well i think that that has created a gulf in the second thing i think bigger for us is that you have more kids using video on attended prior to getting here and so what ends up happening is the kids that we were getting ten years ago fifteen years ago while they had a lot less experience they also had a lot fewer bad habits and that and training process now takes almost their entire high school careers to get them out of these bad habits and retrain them into doing things in a more proper professional way and i sometimes i i worry that that is going to have i don't know it's also a negative impact because if people are producing that way as we're talking about with news adjustment happens you know and that's what i was getting out earlier about about facebook and about about twitter you know that people you know and we should you get upset that whole you know we're losing this face to face for you know that but my my feeling is that if that's the way the future is going not that you dumb down things to it but if that's the way communication going to happen from that here on out then why wouldn't you embrace that why wouldn't you know i agree and i you know and so i you know maybe i'm getting upset dated outmoded thinking and that this future that we haven't we're already in that the leading edge of of it is that that's that's not going to matter because people are so becoming so upset accepting of getting their information that way and really i'm talking i guess mostly and news and then in i guess in short and long form entertainment as well because a lot of that knowledge from user generated  for my brain almost well if you're worried about that stuff you're worried about the wrong thing i can ruin this is a little off topic but i can remember my math teacher in high school had a list of new math technology that was ruining the learning of math to talk about slide rules and calculators talked about computers and talked about graphing calculator now because true yeah at the same i mean literally that he had something from some kind of ancient philosopher talking about how abacus was wrecking mathematics and it doesn't matter if that's the opinion or not or if it's right or it's wrong it is they are and it is out there and the thing i always think about is audio for example and kids don't understand audio and it's not that it's hard to understand it's just boring and frankly i mean this play almost easy i mean if you've got great audio the greatest compliment of your audio person is i don't even notice the sound and that's  the glorious position nobody cared fifteen years ago about audio either mean today nobody cares about it nobody cared about it fifteen years ago either one of them much wires jobs and they're kind of job in but i guess what i'm saying is this technology this is out there it's there we need to get over it and teach those good habits it doesn't matter get over it and find the next step kids are getting supposed to th john for the advancement of a sense in our learning stages i obviously don't learn i didn't learn the same things in school that my parents learned they omitted certain things like i don't necessarily have to know all of the proofs in geometry to understand this is where we're going with it you have to skip certain steps via the limited time frame to get to the end point whereas the end point is much further along down the road now than it would have been back then is this because this also acts as a way of branching that i guess since you have this one of the can assume thing that you are in essence dumbing down quality for a better term like better term is that also just a way of telling for more if you're already skipping the steps in the background by whether or not submitting them but you know if you're allowing your camera to do more of the work for you you're allowing your editing software to do more the work for you that's getting into that angle for a cheaper dollar and also a lot quicker which is why you also have those next day shoots you have you can have a twenty four hour film challenge because we can have that turn around those things whereas you know my camera i can i don't have to worry about changing the lights i'm on my going to rewire bones it's just right then there are we go now we have a blue sky something as simple as that that the camera in the equipment is doing more of the work for us so as the person behind it i don't necessarily have to worry about that why why should i invest my time doing that i'm never going to shoot a film that's way too expensive why should i invest my time in learning the little niche part of that which is becoming obsolete to the mass market what i think friends are parents we know everything about the inside of an automobile where as as each successive generation goes he just first of all they made it possible but to to work on a anonyma be open so that you have to take a job possible literally impossible but and you may be right i mean the fact that you're becoming the people becoming more users and not technicians may not be necessarily a bad thing as long as the end result is getting the information out there  and what's what i like about you tube is that there is that you know popularity of the popular videos the not necessarily all one type of thing anything at any point in time in some respects and that's kind of where you see the evil not of the technology well people that people were lashing out at her and you know this is a thirteen year old eleven year old whatever it was a kid that was doing something that ten years ago nobody but her friends would have seen and now suddenly it is in front of this this global audience and i think what's something that that schools really should be looking to do is how to live and this is a big stepping stone to how to live in a global world because the second you logon to the the internet you're in the world i mean you're out there you everything you're doing is public and and learning how to deal with the criticism that can come with that in addition to to utilize in the positive and i don't know i don't know if people have become are even aware of that if it's something that's important or there's immune to it or if they're just whiners on i'm i'm only talking to my friends i'm only this video is only going to be seen by my people that i love that i can visually see as opposed to that it's out there for for everybody and i i i do i go back and forth i said to begin to show i'm i'm excited by this technology i think that that putting technology rules hand is great i think that the fact that you can try things out from video and get immediate feedback on things i think is a tremendous tremendous tool whether it's used that way or not is another is another issue but i'm just curious to  a lot of our other shows are time of the future trying to put on that that you know that looking through the crystal ball to see what you think that on the road are we just going to kind of continue on this path i mean is there going to be you know are our films our t v shows is there going to be kind of this melding together everything that is kind of everything's going to just start to become user generated and and that professional is just going to become a very very very you know just kind of a diminishing french and you will ration you know and all i think it already is i mean if you look right now like the academy awards last year i look at the films that were done there they're already fringe elements i mean if you look at cinema as a whole it's segmenting itself people make artistic great films and people make blockbuster movies i mean you've got your you know your comic book john roll your action and your sequels your movies based on giant books hunger games out right now for example and then you've got these limited release ought to restrict kind of films artists for example last year's academy award winning film i don't know anyone who saw it in the theater now what did you see and just you see everything this man right you've got the owners this very elite exclusive group that's getting tinier and tinier smaller and smaller and even with all of the efforts they made in the last three years and say we're getting less and less relevant we need to bring in a bigger audience they didn't i mean we're talking about the grammys starting to get closer and closer popularity to them and grammys back and remember simpsons joke oh look it's an award oh it's just a grammy i mean it was a who cares kind of thing for the longest time and i think the academy is pushing itself more and more in that ti cinema itself is changing without you tube it's becoming less and less relevant and important i mean television you could argue did the same thing there's no cinematic masterpiece in the simpsons for example or modern family but it's darn good to take big brother or survivor aren't masterful television shows but millions of people watch the amazing race it's a different kind of entertainment i think you're pursuing things not so much in what's in you tube but what's my interest or taste or expertise i mean i'm looking now for examples of good vote video that i don't need to recording more because professionals have done and put that together and made it readily available for me is a great it's a tool now for finding whatever i want and not wow here's a place to see great cinematography at the same time you can argue with that statement that all of those decisions are being made on the dollar those blockbusters going to some are going to make a heck of a lot more money off that and they are often the artist the academy award winning best picture of the year it's not whereas whoever's paying is the ultimately going to be making a decision if you're not going to make me a buck i'm not going to give you any money to put this behind your back whereas the you tube i can still tell a great story which should be the ultimate goal whether that's telling the story through a camera work or telling the stories of what i've written on paper and coming onscreen that's made for the audience versus what's made for the dollars you're welcome oh well and i think too that does getting into the future question is who is going to figure out how to monetize what is on all this kind of user generated information and whether people are going to be willing to pay for down the road i mean i think that that you can still get you know has to get into that and they're starting to slowly get there but yeah i i'm you know i just i