anyway i'd like to thank the community because this really is a community plan and it's supposed to be you know by the community and for the community and the fact you can show up means a lot it's just stuff that makes the whole process the way it was designed  community and provide input in this whole process so thank you for your attendance i like to think the members here for their continued commitment to this process there was meeting all of the members here you have an opportunity to review and see if there's anything that you would like to add or change let me just note that it can't be an easy process for us to sit here and talk for two hours and then the planning staff have to take all of that and still it down to what they think is important and retain the intent and the flavor of whatever we said and do a couple of pages so if there's anything in there that you know you think could be corrected  review chapter two which is something that we've already gone through but i think it starts with the vision  statement and we didn't go over this in some detail before but i think when you look at a vision statement that you leave it alone for a while and you come back to it you see a lot of things on the second pass that you might not see the first thing so it's good to kind of like  you know have a few different meetings going over this is there any members here that you don't want to make edition comments are about the vision same and we can just kind of whoever wants to say something just  just kind of go ahead and think we need to go in a particular order and if you don't have anything that's fine too so anybody want to make comments on  re comes modern civilization and almost immediately literates the point of race and then subsequently comes and pretty much wreaks havoc on our ecosystem in the next hundred two hundred years and then what we want to say so and then the thing goes on and it has all these values here which i think are good i think the values give us a sense of place it gives us a kind of a foundation gives us some basically tells us who we are and and where we can go all of these values and this next part of the statement i think are good and then it goes on to say  but to me i don't think we envision that i think we already have that here on this island you know and i think we have that's not something we have to look forward to so i would say it more a matter of fact i would say our strong  one thing that kind of jumps out at me and well i guess you fix it over here but i was looking at this thing here were we jump to bullets you know and i don't think and why are we having bullets in our visit statement because bullets are life you make a bunch of bullets and then judgment be made by others whether or not we are wise or not and then it says that we are a caring community you know are like that the problem is i think we've already said that you know we we talk about  to me a vision statement should say the most amount of things in the fewest number words you know when you skip saying the same things over and over again you know so anyway for me you know i'm not big on repeating it again and then it goes on and says we take pride in our resourcefulness to mean resourcefulness is a good word for this island because we're almost five years we have to make do not only have done that in the past but in the future we're going to have to be resourceful of really going to make and survive so for me i would leave that out in that context although self sufficiency is so important that i think it should have a sense or its own little paragraph because that's really i think the core thing that we need to do here is figure out resiliency is good something we should be on this island we're going to survive so i think that's a great you know as you to describe us in here but this whole thing i would redo i would put in there i was thinking well what can we have in here embrace our rural lifestyle our resourcefulness our resiliency and then the last part of the word talks about being firmly in charge we talked about that last time we're not really firmly in charge and for us to say that in our statement is a little bit stretching it a bit i would just say that we are passionate about controlling our own destiny so that legacy an island moment of abundant natural and cultural resources i think that stuff like all good to me a vision statement should have a beginning a middle and end and the end should lake you know some the whole thing or do something send you off in your trajectory here you know some kind of a statement you know that kind of wraps the whole thing up and i think in the beginning you know if we have all these values it sets the stage and then if we come up some with some more language in the middle of this end we can talk about this thing talks about the keiki it talks about leaving a better future and working on believe in a better future in the future and so i think the end is a good you know some asian but  any other comments i explained earlier you know the bit about the last hawaiian island we who live here choose not to be strangers in our own way and i mean you know i really crave the statements from what i said i mean basically you know why not leave here for thousands of years and did really well just a short period of time not only was incredible damage done but it's for the most part for all intents and purposes very difficult to ever repair the damage and we continue to do the same things that caused the damage in the first place so i can see it i don't want to hold on to that little bit of thread of that old why interest traditional way you know that's it's kind of with that same but if we could somehow s on how do we express ourselves remember when he was being put together and i think that's how it came out but i agree that maybe we can you know change it a little bit and still see the same thing and what it means you know the changes that are going on strength and what it needs to strength and and move into the future grounded in a strong sense of identity and i think that's partially because of a large  kind of discipline something together and throw around and there's a few conflicting statements in there but there's some general stuff and you know i can echo what nancy says because when i read through this thing with a lot you know all these statements and say do we really want to stay they you know that's like the most important thing they take it out they put it here so it is i mean it's was a strong statement you know but i don't you know they're a little bit in the negative side in the no maybe that's a little bit of that by coming out but i don't know if sufficient more self reliant sustainable or these directions that we want to go we need to reflect that vision statement so we need to give that some so as we move forward all right let's just let this rest and you that sometimes jen i mean like you know you make the abbreviated agenda or you send out the one of the public notice when you make a little bit different now we might go through it in the thing i mean if you could just like e mail it to me like even if it's a day before that's fine because i get here it's really hard for me to concentrate here you know and it's really difficult so whatever you can get us before and that would be helpful thank you  you know in just when you bring that up what comes to my mind is that you know the state really commercialise is the culture and you need some authenticity somewhere you know to  right let's just finish up this chapter two does anybody have anything else in that chapter that they wanted to discuss we went over this during the last meeting and we just kind of put it there just to kind of recap and see if there's anything left to you but he wanted to deal with want to go over the vision statement primarily and that was in chapter two so  so you guys are going to make a presentation then short presentation on this chapter  if you let us know ahead of time because we have to put it on the agenda ok so you did what happened that i kind of felt like we need to revisit keep revisiting this vision statement and this is statement to be in chapter two so chapter two put on the provide comment on the child using your resources you're much more intimately knowledgeable about them than we are i just want to start out just kind of brain just remind you where we are in the whole school the problem that the whole scope of the on the first two meetings you kind of went over the introductory chapters to set the state of the issues the opportunity vision now we're moving into the green section the environment has there is an economic  kind of set the stage for there and we look at what the challenges are with the constraints are with the baseline that we need to consider for identifying how you accommodate your your future growth in the next twenty years and so that's kind of where we are in this section first starting with the environment the natural environment the cultural resources and  and then just a reminder as far as the structure of each of the chapters with the introduction of the existing conditions again setting the stage and the existing conditions kind of saying what is happening now with these resources the issues clearly identifying the key barriers or challenges to achieving the goal which is your desired condition and what this chapter says try to achieve regarding these resources but then really the policies and the actions at the end of each chapter those are really the key those are where things happen so the policies provide guidance for a number of players for government agencies for developers landowners organizations to really look for what the community is asking for regarding this resource and then the actions are specific tasks that to be implemented by county agencies maybe with partnership with community groups partnership with you but they really should be tory what county agency  could but it's also important to keep in mind especially in this chapter three especially when you're dealing with the natural environment after resources section that the county does not have a large regulatory role we don't partnership full or and education role but it's just important to keep that in mind that in this chapters that there are going to be a lot of things that are not so much that maybe we can address that in the specifically related to the f e m a in chapter six and land use there is an action that identifies to review the estimate boundary and revise it if necessary to to protect the resources that are required to protect the estimate that to to look at areas is appropriate within the us the mayor not so that is an accident here as far as this group really digging into changing know but you could you could provide specific recommendations or things that you think are important to consider while the estimate boundary is reviewed it would be it a it's a county process and then approved by the state but you definitely can weigh in weighing in on that thank you forests in the value of seven point four to fourteen billion so those are what i was talking about in each of these resources tremendous value to your community circle are the basics what you need to live you know your food and your clothes and and and materials for building and fresh water and the natural medicines be looking at the effect of any development you do and and how it's going to affect you or your resources on the lake effects of actions that we're going to take the it's really the policies and actions when i when i look at the actions and what i read the policies and then i read the actions i'm taking did those policies ever get in action you know and it's like one of those puzzles where you get a column on the right or left to draw a line to see which one is connected you know i mean it's kind of like this because they're not like you have an action but you don't know what policy that addresses unless you go read through all of them and try to figure it so it's kind of like when i'm thinking of things i'm not thinking world as in county of jurisdiction really you know i'm just thinking what we need for this island so i might come up with things that have absolutely nothing to do with the county you know but it's important for our community plan does that make sense for and it is very very important for you to say what it is that you'd like to see and then we will try to do our best to see if there's an agency within the county that can help accomplish what you wan dealing with this is just pointed out is not within the purview of the county but we're put it here anyway because it needs to get dressed  identify key management areas i want to know what those areas are i don't see a map for it but if you're going to use it at the bases for me to do my planning on how they need it people are smarter than responsibility i think i have a responsibility i think my community has a responsibility i think we talk i keep says because we think it's there and who's the are us they may have my taxes but they sure as hell don't have my responsibility to my soul that's the kind of statements that i care to to not get to stick with this document because in my community plan when i decide that i want to me a vision statement then that's when i decide to do a vision is not because it has to be done first because this is my community plan i'm go take ownership i'm going to be responsible and it's taken me three fourths of my life to get here to say i will be responsible and i would leave that up to somebody else so tell there's no public access through that area the closest public access is so you know and everyone is going through that right oh i don't know if we establish public access by do we had all the time so that needs to be you know put in another area is the north and beach which is like a really famous body surf but you body an area the kids deal and make sure we got public service we got mama park which i don't know if it's going to be in here but you know there's been a lot of talk to look at that is the center of the island in terms of a gathering place sort of community for do a special program to allow farmers to grow fences because we lost millions of dollars in crops over the last four years and i did see experience about three years ago stayed on the westin and you know you bring up some important points to do this the first point you brought up was going public access is that going to be in a subsequent chapter public access there is an action in the culture in the heritage resources section three point t happen to view deer as a natural resource as much as the other and i would like to take my natural resource out of being a natural resource i insist it's a natural resource because so in the plan or in a plan i hope one day that we can participate in with the state and county and large and owners they'll be a baseline done a population assessment  and then figure out what the missing component also says that it is for proteins having said that then you can at least come up with a working wildlife management plan which the state just about generalities and here that you know certain lands are being depleted well how much is being paid where is it being completed then i can then i can create an action plan to i mean i do and i can appreciate the importance of having the information i just want to emphasize that this is a comprehensive plan and so i think there are many topics where  anywhere just looking at mali they haven't been very successful and the reason why is because you have large and then owners like ranchers who have all this on going it's competing with their calls for grass grass is disappearing thousand twenty thousand and eighteen and eighteen point five dollars then you guys can be included in this david how much you think h the land and how much are forester you know groet we lose and one of the factors is that any large land owner is pretty much thinks they should look at sustainable practices also a reason to get subsidized tax rates as opposed to just doing egg and putting cattle on their land so they can get a cheaper tax rate does anybody else have any other comments or things they want to say about this chapter well i got to make we're going to try i'm going to make the effort you never get there if you don't at least try so just does anybody else want to and some policies or things that you think that should be there that aren't in there i mean one of the things that kind of jumped me and was that there's no support or there's no encourage gene like sustainable agriculture of i think it needs to be in other areas because some of this of the stuff is more subsistence security which is not really economic development in a real sense as more food security and you know  does anybody else have anything else and we talked a little about data collection you know we talk a lot about here trying to protect the water quality health of the soil and all the stuff but how do we know i mean do you know like i wrote down here we need to collect data we need to take water samples we need to take so oil samples so we can have a baseline data so moving forward in the future we can look back over time and see how this is changing because we're talking about the climbing water quality but has it declined or you know where are we in relation to where we were where we're going to be so there's some specific there's actually one super specific and i was wondering that's why we're in day out one thing in there that they're actually going to do and the rest is just kind of broad statements of general things that they're going to try to address and so yeah i think we should put some things in there little bit more specific like let's get some you know water quality samples and system soil samples so we can see i mean we need to know your farm where it's going to talk to chemicals we need to know  that so those are the kinds of things that we need to i think address ok thank you for that information caesar i'm kind of thinking that you know all we have all these policies here and they're all that weren't a certain way is there any but he did get problems with the wording or i want to add something to the wording of any of these policies but i how and i was trying to get the department of health to do subsampling about six months ago we were ready to go and all of a sudden everything disappeared everything went hush nobody was responding to to drive down the road he said ok that person died from cancer that person died from cancer that person died from cancer you can just drive right down the road and you can just start point you know who died from cancer whether it's connected to the sides are not we don't know there's no studies we need but the ok just to try to move the train down the track here we've got all these policies is everybody satisfied with the way they're written or is there any additional one that you think that we need to add or it seems like subsistence people on the silent need to live here eating sanitation household water subsistence farming that should take precedence on to do some hoary tool understand where the legs if they had to be relocated in order to control flooding in some kind of town so that's that's what that was about i don't know i don't know i mean let us fish gotta get us in the water and again take a while and that's true we do need to have a subsistence fishing plan but it doesn't mean you're going to have a plan again if we can't get there is over argued i mean goes into a lot of different areas but it's very very early starts with with you know the natural ecosystem of the island and you really don't see that word even early really one of those things that you know i've written down here is that  exactly and we are using it so we the goal should be for us to utilize this resource now and in a way that will protected sort reserved for a few generations so they could enjoy thank you laurie and we address this issue earlier but we never really you know finalize what exactly we're going to do so that's the year we can do that is that when you revise the thing and give us a copy of  again in your address when we're going to see the policy connected to the action maybe and yesterday and even then it could be too large and so a lot of creating and grabbing is happening without any rights being required and they're still being impacted because people don't know what's there it's all over if you have this inventory of known archeological and historic resources including you know existing inventories and databases but i think there should also be some oral history research done  talking to people on the stand that sort of think you can find any money to do that sort of thing and create a layer that that you can use or the current even current planners can use keep it private it doesn't need to go wonder that issues that i have is that when you drive around the sign up there are some places that have absolutely credible scenic this is but now they're completely covered with a main road right at the edge of the road and you can't see them and worse before you get a beautiful view of the ocean you know you could see nothing so there should be something in there that we're going to you know the u s is probably already in there to make sure that