if everybody's reading this is the time in the place for the meeting of the board of appeals for the city of holland we are here to consider applications for variances special exceptions and whatever else you guys brought for us it's important to note that this body is not able to rezone or take any action that could be considered rezoning there is a procedure guide out there we do that when you come to the microphone to speak that you state your name in the address for the record we typically hear the african first followed by any one in favor of the application than any one in opposition to the application after that point we close the public hearing and deliberate render a decision it's important to note that once the public hearing is closed there's no opportunity for further comment from the audience if you don't elect to stay for the deliberations you can call city hall tomorrow morning to determine or to get the results i think that's the highlights from my normally prepared speech with that being said can we get the first application six thirty six west twenty ninth street sixteen point thirteen z randy career for reno and cash sorenson are requesting a special exception to install a six foot fence closer to the side of the property line along the side street than is permitted at six thirty six west twenty ninth street designing board of appeals may approve this application if necessary i'm sorry if certain conditions are met thirty nine thirty nine dash for all five d and thirty nine dash when ninety seven twelve all right do we have anyone here to speak to this application will do we have anyone here to speak in favor of this application we have anyone to speak in opposition to this application seeing no one getting up close the public hearing what's the pleasure of the board make some comments real quick sure and i visit the property today it is a corner property so they do have constraints that are beyond the norm however i think there are other options for fencing around the property particularly the west side of the property which is this side along sandy lane and  i think that's shorter friends would be more appropriate for there's also a set of stairs running from the sandy lane to the back yard and there are probably five or six stairs so there is a great difference from the street to the to the back yard back up we have two people would you happen to be here to speak to six thirty six west twenty ninth street yes ah just in time please please please come forward instead well right i will reopen the public hearing now that we've got the africans here not a problem so we heard about your property i think you see it on the monitor here you're you're looking to put a fence between your house in your garage right right ok right now so you can put a three foot fence where you want one have your fence right and he want a six foot six foot fence reason for besides privacy is our aware that you can build the fence along the face of the garage without being here or the problem is if you take a line if you see with the report we put through the line of sight at the end of the and then angle back in so it would be twelve feet out from the house you know come out but only about five feet from the garage and it be an angle in there we would put a door that we could you know get furniture through and things of this nature because you can't do it with a garage and then with the sidewalk would be wooden would have a standard door there for normal access right can see where it ends at one hundred on the footage there's also an additional twenty four feet of sloped road that's going by the city right to it so effectively to fairly a fair any other questions for the from the board if you consider other options for the fence in terms of style or in terms of location when this is about the only thing we can figure the only other thing would speak in opposition all right close the public hearing again what's pleasure the board for sixty one st saint sixteen dash fourteen z nathan jay roberts is requesting a special exception to construct a driveway slash parking space between the street in the house as four sixty one state street zoning board of appeals may approve this application of certain conditions are met thirty nine dish thirty thirty nine fifty eight b in thirty nine dash sixty do we have an applicant here to speak to this on the second facing nineteenth street there on the north side and the parking situation currently is that there is a two car garage for the state street unit with a dirt patch in front  is not deep enough to allow cars to park in front so that there is currently no parking for the nineteenth street eunice our hope is to put in a concrete driveway in front of the house however  sorry about that there's not enough with decide to put the driveway to avoid having the driveway in front of the structure itself and being on a corner lot  are standing as we're not able to dig into the yards self either yeah you're on a corner lot so you can't go west of the house correct so there is currently no parking for the nineteenth street unit my understanding is that if the our goal is to get a variance to allow us to put it in front of on the east side of the doorway in i mean tween the house door to where the x s there yeah exactly so currently parking situation is that we when the street parking is allowed sheep this is my mom she lives in the second unit and she parks on the street and then during the winter we try to fit all the cars in the driveway which is still the asterisks yeah exactly and so currently i think there may be a photo the cars hang out and these are both compact cars that cars hang out half way over the sidewalk even when parked as efficiently as possible so we could my wife was outside with our baby and some guy rode by on his bike and screamed expletives about get off the sidewalk there's no other option nowhere for us to go so the hope is to put concrete on the other side ok there is some precedent i don't know if the approved both the house the two houses down on state street has a similar situation and across the street nineteenth right there where there's concrete in between the house and the street now of course he has the long driveway as well but the majority of the cars are parked in front of the house and the same is true directly across from us on nineteenth street where they have what i where i get the driveway seems to be off to the right there but the cars themselves and up in front of the house and so you're off the house off the property line is less than the within the driveway corrects it's about eighty feet it's about eight feet ok yeah it's pretty tight yeah ok so that's the basic code all right so this would be the only way to provide two parking spots on the property correct and the second the second unit is you know has a nineteenth street address so even to park in the winter it's you know about a forty five foot walk down to the end of the end of the corner and then down nineteenth to the house so grocery store visits things like that in the winter you know if they haven't been plowed appropriately which you know sometimes it's four minutes and it's not drought plowed appropriately  yeah that's it there so to the left that's feet that's facing nineteenth street yeah ok yeah that's that's true so that the digger raj is right there and then that parking still provides a pretty long walk over to the you know the only most efficient way to get there on a sidewalk would be to walk all the way down to the corner and back around well and state street that is significantly busier than correct and we've one of the main issues too has been even with the street parking being there on the cul de sac tuesday morning trash pick up and stuff if you have a car parked there it's nearly i mean the trash the truck the chef trucks take fifteen minutes trying to turn around there because of our parking and across the street neighbors so even during some permitted street parking hours it creates a pretty substantial obstruction for bigger vehicles trying to turn around in the cold the sec so this would get some of the traffic you can see in those pictures the two cars parked there make it nearly impossible they come at it heading west on nineteenth and then to turn around sometimes they spend half their morning there trying to get turned around this particularly in the winter ok so as far as the adjoining streets and then this would be the safest place on your your property to a second vehicle absolutely and i have a six month old daughter that i don't since we've lived there on the corner there we saw there was a high school girl who was hit by a car unfortunately several bicycle accidents and at least we've been there two years and also the number of accidents if we could get it on nineteenth for safety and i think visual purposes it would be correct well technically it was built in one nine hundred fifty so it's manual doors you can we can i have a honda fit and a honda civic and they need the nearest touch so if you pull a sedan and it's not effective for ok you can almost fit two cars in there if they're very very small is there room to put a two car garage but also nice to car garage things we haven't looked into but we have to knock down the current structure and we have it yeah there is a i don't know if it's clear there is any line yeah there's a really giant tree there directly behind and sort of kitty corner to the garage so to expand i think that's probably the reasoning for why the garage was made of the size it was and put in location it was when it was built and right i have a comment to make on that if there were there that garage down in to build another one there is without doing a lot of research on it there's a good chance if you back here for a variance because they essentially are on state and nineteenth so they're set back from yard which would basically be the space between the house and the sidewalk so if you created a line that went along that dimension you'd really take a substantial portion of it ok and they would also else have to be the least three feet away from mouse in structure ok thank you much anyone else to speak in favor of this application and he want to speak in opposition to the application i have a letter that i condensed down from an  minute lives at twenty six west bank teens she says i am an observation to a parking parity in front of thirty west nineteenth there's a field would be detrimental to the surrounding area by causing confusion with drivers on state street there are many accidents near states do river michigan one thousand intersection which is why a vehicle parked at that location may further confuse drivers we could vehicles frequently drive over the curb and going to the cul de sac from state street at the stop sign if vehicle at that parking area is just too confusing to make a motion that we accept the applicant's request to withdraw all right any support i'll support lots of support you could take your choice by davis support and we're all in favor please say bye bye