you know that the league is having coffee and conversation on thursday april twenty seventh in the morning ten or ten thirty am to noon only baby seven and seven thirty to nine thirty at night at twenty two  and why are we having it we would like to have come to learn about what really doesn't belmont it's a great group of people men and women who study local issues of importance and support voting incentives but just attention at this time of like to to good evening everybody thank you for coming in tonight is going to be partly roles based of partly chaos based so let me tell you the rules which are we're going to we're going to stop at nine o'clock no matter what happens we're going it you can always ask questions at town meeting this is kind of a warm up for that secondly i'm going to continue the process the procedure i instituted last fall off just to move the discussion along each questionnaire mate ask a question not make a statement or make an argument but ask a question you're limited to two questions to put it within two minutes and then we will find somebody who can try to answer your question f p because last year two questions please go to the back of the line of you know more let somebody else speak after everybody who was not asked question has put their questions you're afraid of course to come back and keep going  so that's the organized part of the evening the complicated part is that i was asked to take questions first on worn articles that would be potentially relevant for george hall our town council but i don't see george in the audience nor do i see members of the board of selectmen who are generally key players in this event because they have their own meeting which i gather is going to go over so if that's the chaotic part of this and not knowing what else to  stick with my original plan and and then what just adapt to circumstances so i was reserving the initial group of questions for four particular third and fourth the two articles for a special town meeting relating to transfer of liquor licenses because all of those potentially have relevance to george wallace expertise i think what i'd like to do is at least start with those questions if anybody has questions in those areas and maybe i'll just make a note of what your questions are when george gets here we can return to them so let me just repeat the first couple of questions on the table  just maybe this will be quicker than i thought  active then i would like to open the question to any article that anybody would like to ask about we have quite a long list of them so let me quickly review what we have tonight other than the four i just mentioned there's amendment to the demolition delay by law there is a signed zoning by law there are the community preservation act projects for next year and there is the two more a petition to allow the board of selectmen to consider ways to metering approaches to save money and reduce trash and finally a motion to increase the membership of the board of selectmen from three some larger number so those are the that's the universe of i'm familiar with this and i generally support it but i didn't get a call from a constituent fearful all the after property values go down if because she's on the list and so i mean it is not possible to do a comprehensive economic analysis to really know and be able to to definitively say i can tell you that we did look at does give you a sense of the fact that it does not appear that the properties that were on the twenty thirteen list were were adversely ok maybe i would just have a follow on prospects street the home of the homeowner i demonstrated really due diligence with a large amount of scientific data regarding a raid on a problem in that  and the property owner went ahead with the renovation and they intended the second property the way through the through the delay period probably one that many people know about one twenty two waverly street that was the last  the let me see how do you set the longest i can have a dead horse barn and on my and with a associated house there was a lot of community concern over the lots of both of those meeting so that property unfortunately was demolished in a way as to property do i understand you to say that the raid on property was not on the market it was just that the owner wanted to do a bylaw says that the owners are reasonably are required to reasonably cooperate with the historic district commission and yet this owner did not cooperate just simply ignor and there is language that says owners have to reasonably cooperate by the commission had delayed a period why the commission now things extending from six months to twelve months is going to cure the problem all  will do is it least in my view owners will have to begin the twelve month delay period and continuing to stonewall the commission so i was puzzled as to why the commission thought extending the time frame was a fix for the problem that they identified as the historic district commission have an answer for that six by the time the notifications were sent out the hearings were schedule we were well into the six months and there just was no time to explore other alternative delay period shortened because really what we want to see is you know an effort to try to consider alternatives with the hope that in some cases those alternatives may result in saving an important so i'm wondering if a similar analysis was done of even a subset of properties that were not between companies on the list and properties not on the list but we just don't have the capacity to do that i can't say that this is any indication at all of our surrounding communities have had very significant amount of time and winsomeness significant delay period all of our surrounding communities have twelve months to live newton has had a demolition jhalak bylaw since nineteen eighty five and they have that by a lot over time to address issues in town r m demolition delayed by a lot has been developed collaboratively with the planning board with help from the bylaw review committee with the idea that it would not be so restrictive that it would hurt a company owner's ability to do renovation so it's simply asked for a pas from demolition in order and i would say that it would be extremely difficult to do any kind of robust statistical analysis of we have only two observations in three years i am sure how it would actually study this question i would agree with you on that you have a specific question about th currently aren't and by laws regulating awnings or the marquee signs that you see around town nothing people can do whatever they want they can have giant logos giant lettering in addition to  all right pay shaver precincts so that i have two questions which are kind of clarification questions the first one deals with the temporary signs noncommercial s she says are have to be less than eight teams square feet like a three by six sign and i'm wondering where what was that based on seems like a very large sign or some of our neighborhoods is your second question also related to science yes no one just second one dog and the second question has our banners like you might hang from our upper story window considered to be signs ok of continuing the sign theme of this may have been more pennies question was getting to perhaps not i was curious as to whether or not these noncommercial signs in all them signed by law to see was actually drafted with the close assistance of george hall who's worked on a number of upgrades to comparable communities on commercial signed by laws to what's the penalty for noncomplian you're absolutely right my apologies i don't know how i missed that ok and that my question is the chief mclaughlin is this a solution seeking a problem is there a problem with speeding ticket lee settled the areas i mainly concerned about the fact that if you're going thirty five in a twenty five zone and you get a ticket you pay the fine print really exactly what the fine would be but given your whatever your driving record is it's possible that you would receive an insurance surcharge in several aspects of your coverage which could be hundreds of dollars over many years i think three to five years so the question is is this a solution seeking a problem is there a going over the twenty five miles per hour that would be stupid so they would be subject to a tick and obviously sort of whatever that may be now and you'd also be subject of the increase stuff but the main thing is the safety behind the whole process that's what this driver has and also the regional aspect of it as well chip is there any data on the number of accidents in belmont over don't so those are my two bites ok with somebody from the planning board like to comment on that the point of course of your ten square feet is not new language so that would just be clarification of existing by law but the eighteen square foot science and put them separated by then she'd have a thirty six if i understand this correctly and boston for example they had increased policing when they lowered their speed limit so that it actually there was compliance with that so my first question is with that also take effect in bom could there be increased policing in partnership with change because again a question for the chief of the resources are there for enforcement of such a b get a request are we when we get a complaint we have offices and again i just want to mention obviously we all of limited number of boxes and we addressed the complaints as best we can but whether it be through traffic and abide by the rules before we start having  so sorry dial i would have to get a microphone so because people are on t v watching on t v yet more specifically at i think in that my understanding is in boston for example they actually have increased the term is surveillance increased area but we try and do the best we can and if there's a problem we try to address that so that we don't stay  adopted then we would make the change and obviously i would hope that that's as far as you know to getting people but first the foremost obviously to be an five a could be lower say in a school zone but it could go the other way where certain streets would be designated thirty for the rest of the town was twenty five i think it could be it depends on what his adopted is two sections of the law all right now it's been increase the number of select many it's my understanding that three selectmen give and take to get together with their it's talking to my fellow email discussion together about politics  they are in violation of the open meeting was so for that if i'm right on that subject i guess suppose i would ask would somebody clarify that if i am right on that subject why would we not go to an increased number so that there could be maybe more efficiency in our discussions i think you're right about the open meeting law profession the broader question about this article or the actually the substitute motion which is evolving i would say and will be presented to town meeting next week is being sponsored by jim williams who is not here at the moment and i was going to say that will happen if we reserve that towards the end and see if jim arrives of the board it would be whether a study group should be convened to study the question or report back later in the year sometime early next year also the same number so you have excellent timing because george hall entered the room so george told how counsel i think would be the best person to answer that  to the motion we're taking community housing money and giving it to the historic district preservation i'm sure that's not hurting me but that's what it said hold on one second glenn can we go to the slide that funding his community how it's like i don't think that's what they know that but that is in fact what we were notified on and there's also the you know a couple of recreation line or housing line for that that appears that there are two lines missing and one that is there is wrong but it is floyd carmen perhaps the person to address with the way it works is that ten percent is a minimum amount but as long as there's a ten percent distribution across the categories that more can be spent but the motion say one hundred thirty thousand effect i mean this is this is part amount of money there is appropriate in a given year so in other words the residents of belmont are going to appropriate roughly a million or two in their taxes or may have one in the tax free to surcharge that if this is a part of the question perhaps to the moderator as to what is the role of the information that is presented in the warrant versus the information that is presented in the motion and since m all that sort of stuff and preserving artifacts but there is no discussion or description of what is being preserved for the twenty five thousand dollars so i'm curious if somebody could share with us what are we getting in terms of preservation of things for twenty five thousand dollars floyd erie are you able to speak  this world will be the creation of what's effectively a little museum in belmont that will be open to the public i mean you see  school system here in melbourne the historical society and at the library and then through of the through of the state through the school systems and the material itself will be housed within the sons operates and for adults and we're trying to link this new mini museum that i can heritage to the teaching of the italian language in the schools you know that's a little different than what i'm going to look at that would be my second question is that there's two of them here oh well i happen to have them so i was referring my question to the second one which is not that issue from i use for an individual as we explain what we do is once we get notified we make that information known to the bill commission because as for some reason if the information is put through the system and ice immigration department has that person on a list they issue of the for wherever that person is to hold and then that gives them the opportunity to come and do whatever investigation they must do they need to do in order to find finalize that detail and whatever that actually is that's that's been i came within the last couple of weeks i think and waiting on a decision from the supreme judicial court i don't know when that issue and that might give us some clarity on what everybody's responsibility is supposed to be on that but is make sure it gets to the moderator what a town council that if this comes to town meeting and this passes and the s j c then issue something that is contrary decision that does not necessarily comport with all the resolutions of the whereas in all the resolution portions what does that do to this up and george you have a comment on that i have to say the language that's on the screen now is so different from what i saw in the article that i i would have to study it before saying anything but george hall of course is better placed to comment on these things anyway oh so this is a this is a non binding in case there was any doubt i guess the open questions about that throw that some special town meeting articles one in two under the special town meeting jay could speak to that a possibly kemp's like also efficiency of our way system currently we have at least twenty five percent of our waste that is going to an incinerator that we're paying for we can cut that if put in a pricing in these bags or metering and  paper jack west precinct one hundred our night just to make sure i understand the article this is not a referendum or a question of how the pay as you throw the article really is authorizing the selectmen who lie frankie would assume are authorized regardless of how we vote on this to consider pay as you throw as an option as they renew the contract so it might read is that we're actually not doing anything at town meeting other than giving the selectmen authorization to do something that they probably already have authorization to do without her vote is that correct as i understand it yes the put out a couple of points on the lead they have the widmer town moderator to have this came up because i mention this here town meeting orientation in terms of the scope of discussion that the focus is going to be on the question are about then changing the number of selectmen from three to five and i have a follow on question and that is likely is preventing us from voting on just moving forward with five and making it more efficient some looking just for more depth on that question you know jim williams by all should be the first person to comment on this because this proposal originated with him and i and i do believe that we have studied this in the past some wondering what the difference is between where our research has led us in the past where we are today but with jim i begin the answer the question select one can't have discussions on their own because who are within the three instead of two and if you assume that each of those selectman would talk to into the date of the motion today and got so sorry for that guys change it back tomorrow but jim actually maybe to tap but you should clarify what people will be asked to vote on next week because it's not the language of the article replaced by a motion the town meeting will be asked to vote on the language of the motion as revive is now on the screen so this is what you'll be asked to vote on so let me continue my explanation though so the idea is that i felt the town meeting should simply take a look at the size of the municipality is one hundred six million in revenues about one hundred fifty five million in expenses  we have pension obligations we have health care up with the nations we have capital budget matters that we need to deal with in it's really a mission impossible for three people in my opinion to  in think about having five people understood the three doing this work is george costello here george come up here for a minute people who are on this idaho committee i agreed to follow their recommendations on what to do and we came up with this idea they were working with michael with her and we came up with this idea it doesn't say from three to five about this was very clever that it would just say from because for those of you who are around last year in the belmont center problem you know that the wording of the motion is very important so this empty thank you for that is just because i have a fifty nine and there's one more question now and given that that was when the override was and if that's what the discussion is going to be about can we get a copy of what that actually was so that the discussion can we know what we're talking about and need the override language from getting to yes that will be made available the town meeting thank you know ok everybody i have nine o'clock and i'm going to drop the boom right now but this will be continued next week and you can go as long as you like but thank you all for coming and we'll see you monday that town meeting