our district offices on this hot office are you there d b conduct a lot of research on communities large and small throughout the united states that initiated and sustained similar programs we talk to program leaders as well about the outcomes of their programs many provide a combination of grants and loans to businesses who demonstrate the ability to provide a return on investment this return expresses itself in the form of increased economic activity job creation and the broadening of a community of communities tax base our research indicated that programs like the prove to be invaluable as and part of an our comprehensive economic development strategy to support local business expansion and help them make it to the next level these programs are never without risk but as demonstrated by meanness a pallet is throughout the u s the careful and prudent stewardship of these types of programs reap warts well beyond their risks in our case we understand from o e d that the businesses who received awards in the first round of funding are on track to meet or exceed their proposed goals we really appreciate the council support in an labeling the first phase to happen but i also acknowledge the concern expressed about all funding being awarded as grants in that first round w well well aware of the community society to explore revolving loans more fully as an investment strategy and maybe you would like to see the e t f continue and really become a vibrant part of diversifying our economy and hope that funds will be appropriated to enable that to happen to address the committee's concerns we offer to bring our expertise as well as that of our associates to work with the committee to find the most productive strategy and this is our semi semi our neural reports regarding parks dedication and if we can have our parks director joining us as well as mister march thirty first two thousand and fifteen a county communication fifteen to sixty nine from the director of parks and recreation transmitting the semi final report regarding part of their vacation for each community plan experienced for april first through two thousand fifteen and through september thirtieth security september september thirtieth two thousand and fifteen and also county communication sixteen dash eighty four from the parks and parks and recreation director transmitt regarding the dedication for each community plan for the period of october first two thousand and fifteen through march thirty first two thousand and sixteen the committee may discuss reports related matters the committee may also consider the filing of one or more of the county communications fifteen dash one nine hundred fifty three sixty nine and sixteen dash eighty four and other related things so members we have before us three reports regarding the  park's education from the parks under section eighteen point one six point three two zero p the my county code requires sub dividers as a key as a condition of approval of subdivision to dedicate land for park and playground purposes pay the county in a fee in lieu of or provide improvements to a park in the community plan area or provide an equivalent combination of  under section eighteen point one six point three two zero l of the code requires the director of parks and recreation to provide council with seventy annual reports regarding park dedications for each community plan area at the end of the first and third quarters each school year i'd like to ask the for any comments or any explanations regarding these reports from the director and or mr question that this council may have for us thank you members did you have an opportunity to review their reports they have good questions mr victorian i think in general you know i've gone over all of this and you know i've noticed few months away from going online and all of the director talk about self care number because you know looking at all we just mentioned the park is by the looks of it just from what we can all see as we drive by the window grading has begun as far as the town the turnaround time for what in the communication with the  that is our biggest concern is that to open the gate we were going to put up a gate put tires is a passive park the other side of that is there is no parking i can assure you that the minute we open that park of and we up stairs because there was no parking structure put into there as well as infrastructure for restrooms water or anything else which is the reason why the department has not yet moved forward with opening up the gates for any kind of park use as of where kids become you know a play area as a pool a secondary pool with a safety grades and everything else in there because the safety issue for us the other part is molly park is just about there the last part of  that's what i call it because it is just a drainage it was never intended to be a park but it was that was something that was done prior to me coming into office and agreed upon by the department and those people that were in charge of the department is sad because you cannot use that park it cannot be used at times and i will be putting in a p d f to you and the department to look at maybe putting a dog bark on that laura site because you know it could be used in that sense and then the other side be used really for a passive park that may be another alternative and yes there is no parking yes there is no law opportunity for people to park anywhere along that road with either side and on top of that we don't even have to care custody control the rule in killarney that's still on the auspices of the homeowner's association would never take it over so ten years later i'm still frustrated we want to hear it but it is what it is we'll try to work and that's try to see what i can do to finish it up before i walk out the door so my successor is not stuck with parked as just a drainage it is that's all it is the drainage and every time where every you go right now there's about two feet in that corner under the code where section eight point one six point three two zero p requires the sub divider as a condition of approval of this subdivision to either dedicate the land or park and playground purposes or pay the county and move the fee or provide improvements to a park in the community plan area or providing equipment a combination of these how is that calculated like ok i understand the dedication of the land for the park that's easy it's very simple they just dedicate a portion of lad so how do you then determine if they're not going to dedicate the land but in lieu in lieu of fees what would how do you determine the values of how much that is and then also how do you determine if they're not going to dedicate  the thank you chair i'll take a shot at it as far as the in lieu fee i believe it's based on a calculation of some real property tax values in the code and it's for the believe it's five hundred square feet or a lot and you must apply that by the average tax rate per square foot in that community plan area and that would be the calculation for the in lieu fee and on regarding  improvements of an existing park i think they've typically if it's proposed everyone in construction kind of has an idea of what those improvements would cost in you know park so look at it you know  it so it's five hundred it's per unit so the first three units or lots is so called free and then you pay for every units up to five hundred square feet a unit or lots there after with a property tax assessment fee and that's the calculation that has been done as far as improvements to a park i'm not aware of any of those that have come up recently began because i was this being the cash value or actually setting  are those fees going to the park assessment fee fine gray yes so instead of going into that you can see that's not that's the thing is that we can't use that fined for park improvements but yet the code says that they said budget session says been more along the lines on trying not to use it too much for maintenance type activities maintenance yeah but if you know improvement if you guys feel if you're comfortable as of appropriating body that it's a good use of the fun you know sewing just caution to stay away from maintenance thank you but as this code section eighteen point one six point three two zero b it doesn't necessarily need to be i guess a place in is that what that says thank you yes sorry i should take a step back there's not actually a revolving fun called the park assessment fund it's typically just held  believe trust in agency accounts in the department of finance when money is given yeah and you are correct as far as the money wouldn't come directly to the colony it would be a park assessment agreement on the go sheet a between the is you know if it's a developer they already have contracts with a lot of home construction for those you know construction entities that are already working on the project and sometimes are already in the area so there's some economies there that are had by the if you look at the october sixteenth two thousand and fifteen report says transfer park assessment fees paid on one twenty nine over four or from public works account parks assessment and another one on six seven zero two and two twenty six zero two is was that just went into the wrong place or what why did it go into public works and then finally after twelve years or of public works used to be the keeper of the funds ok they imports the parts assessment ordinance do they still order it was transferred to parkes quite some time ago ten twelve years the next item on today's agenda is e r thirty two why you miss appalled call for course rates and revenues of the committee is in receipt of miscellaneous communication dated may twenty eighth thousand and to close this file it was referred to us from the budget committee for evaluation the golf course rates and golf cart rentals we desist we discussed this matter at our meeting of february sixteenth two thousand and sixteen where the director of parks and recreation and todd allen the golf course superintendent provided information relating to the golf course revenues for three years two thousand and fourteen two thousand and fifteen and two thousand and sixteen we talked about the decrease in revenues due to loss rounds at the parks and suggestions were per were made to promote an intensive junior golf program and to outreach to some of the younger residents in and to encourage them to play golf and flexible with flexible rates changes to the golf course ordinance section thirteen point sixteen point zero one zero of the maui county code or proposed by bill fifty eight two thousand and sixteen which is currently scheduled for second reading at the council's june third two thousand and sixteen meeting before you will see the hand out of the bill fifty eight also proposed our rates which discuss saturday i wasn't at the february sixteenth meeting so yeah and we can discuss be open to that and then we could prepare some further follow up or at least leave this open because i know where we can do things like oh you know three or four o'clock hours bring in soccer golf charging five or ten bucks for the kid temperature to perry at night during the summers again this is not an everyday thing but deal once a week or a saturday even i go off on the front see thank you and when i was also kicking around the idea that kids play for free if their parents pay you know to encourage more junior golf have come out with the father son our father daughter vice versa mother son mother daughter but we need to have that flexibility we're looking at trying to get an electronic program that has the ability to e mail out coupons or specials that we might do that are currently our is electronic is very antiquated we wait in line to make tee times or we call on a phone where the majority of course is in the united states and over seventy three percent of people playing golf now book tee times online so we're looking at changing that that system over as well and we also only collect cash so we need to get into credit card system so that it makes it easier for everyone to use so there's there's so many ideas that we have  just need we need back in and for it to come to fruition these are complicated those are those are all great ideas that would be great but one i didn't hear was a during the peak season or the actually more the off season when the big courses drop their rates to be lower your rates you need to be able drop your rates to that included in your package that you're going to try and send a council member we in the in the first reading we have for nonresidents that's the highest rate that we have from may first through october thirty first we were looking at dropping their rates to try to encourage them to come on site more often we were trying to offset the cost of the the golf cart which can it would be competitive with you know our competition out there it's just would it wouldn't be enough you know kind of locked in to a dollar amount we'd like to maybe have a wider when right and that sort of like to see from you guys is here's our range and can we put and get this is towards mr can we put a range in the bill in the rates and fees section you know we kind of discussed it a little bit yeah in  really you know ranging to allow them to go from thirty five dollars for twelve to fifty five or sixty five and then they determine during the time of the year what would bring more people in because right now on on the rates and fees it's that a dollar amount and that's it share i'm not aware of any restriction in the charter it just says we shall set forth the rates in the budget all my will warn that you got to word it carefully when you put it in the code otherwise it could be visitor it's blocking certain times during the day we do want to more our local rate isn't always there our local players are there is having that kind of gap where we can block you know to our windows for that visitor rate so they can enjoy the course as well and not feel pressured by some of the because on a little they tried that and they were every so major problems yellow in particular so you got to be careful of that and i like the way you already have different reach for different times of the year which most of course will have said rates they don't change every has fallen off big time across the united states so anybody who understands what golf is all about and how to please the player has fallen off it's not as attractive there used to be and a lot of it because it is other alternatives quarterly changes if you feel that would be a political book because i think there you have morse stability in what you try to so instead of going six months every three months and make the quarterly changes accordingly when you know a certain time  someone from june or july to september is really slow then you make a quarterly change for that that way you don't have this real that again ranges is not something i want to play with because again i can see challenges you know i disagree my colleague i think that's the worst thing we can do but if you have specific time periods which you offered the discount promotional whatever night children's play or whatever you  think that would be more pickable to what we want to achieve and then you have a stanford which you can evaluate how effective it was on up so i would prefer something of that nature didn't ranges because again ranges can be very very subjective because what is fifty five dollars at thirty five dollars or what is forty and twenty i don't know and who gets it mr correct it may be my friend getting it and the guy is not my friend may not be getting it and you open pandora's box real quickly s have gone to quality versus six months because they see the seasonal changes more quickly than then six months so i know just my suggestion and still do me the department would like to look into and bring back something a little bit later for us we all along with all the other these ideas are wide of at this mr kopp yeah that would be great and i know some of my colleagues have ideas and we have ideas so bring in both and we can discuss some county communication fourteen dash two to four from me related to the matter of the economic development revolving fine miscellaneous communication dated may twenty eighth two thousand and fifteen from the county clerk referring the matter relating to the economic development revolving fund it committee may discuss the matter the community may also consider the filing communication fourteen dash two to four in the miscellaneous communication other related actions  members this is another housekeeping matter section three point eight one point zero five zero of the maui county code provides of economic development involving one will automatically expire june thirtieth two thousand and sixteen and bill fifty four two thousand and sixteen which proposes to extend the term of the fine to june thirtieth twenty twenty one this is currently scheduled for second reading in the council's june third two thousand and sixteen meeting  as indicated in the handout bill fifty four you also have a handout which shows estimated balance in the af is twenty thousand pursuant to page fifty three of appendix a part two to the office of economic development get the infrastructure of this off the ground as far as we're concerned in the companies that we've been following they have been able to use those resources to leverage development and growth in their businesses and as time goes on we'll be able to see how that that investment has grown over time so it would be also to be we office as well but can you guys come up with language or procedures on how to make this a revolving front as opposed to revolving fine because i agree these were grants and that the way it was presented at the time and it would have been it would be nice for for those folks who have done their thing and then once they made the their money off of i mean we're developing the economy so they should be able to pay it off at some point in time so that through your studies throughout the country where these funds exist can you help us out with that yet that thank you for that after i remember correctly the discussion around the word revolving had to do with a specific state statute about what that word actually meant which also meant that it was not only loans but it would be any kind of money that was put back into the fund so i think there was some misunderstanding basically based on the word revolving but we do understand the need to diversify if you want to put it that way the portfolio that it's not only grants but there are actually monies coming in and the fund being replenished so we understand that and i think as our  said that we are perfectly willing to sit down with the office of economic development and this committee to be able to develop language that would actually develop this as the council wishes into an economic revolving fund where loans are also available and not only grants guess at second reading presented at second reading this friday the chair would entertain a motion to recommend following a miscellaneous communication mr know i'd like to see if we can do further it's only because if we can come up with language to you all care to figure out how to make this a loan vs or actual revolving fund if at all possible or would you rather that a separate