minutes that you all should have received it provided i guess the list or at least upcoming i don't have investigation and i had requested for it to be on agenda for this meeting for discussion if there's any the progress off the audit them the status of what it is is there any other question it's from the castle and your time yeah yeah i was just wondering from your new office i was just wondering what you thought would be the number of both projects you'd be handling at one time to just to understand what scope of a number of projects you're actually doing that we can then so we have a better understanding of areas in which we can supplement perhaps some of the things that you're already doing so i see here for instance you're looking at proposing to new o you have three that are ongoing here at least these are the ones that are based off of a chart a list that you give out to other people is that the maximum number of projects that you'd be looking at who currently power are you do you sell scope to out on war the future that the amount of lot you can do a lot quicker a lot of the defense on the school came out of the office in our case we tend to take areas that are kind of more complex broader on their other of the shops that don't do a specific audit like going to send an average whatever that means you know that they can ever thought it can go up to nine months or more on if it's a larger audit and then  to keep it small and then if necessary expand rather than going with a larger office and you know if i did need to reduce as i said we still relatively new office so just who is still going through this so we have other duties as well i mean you know supporting this commission received calls from people in the public complaining about a wide range of things so i can discuss these things with them and some things are going to their father concerns him but some of these concerns should be addressed  lot of different things that good question that i can't not just thursdays but  deliberations are meant to be open to the public so the public can know what their government and if the public doesn't know then they come up with all kinds of theories about what government actually is doing and you know that leads to not very good places and what then they lose trust and confidence in government and in america we think that's really important my theory which i gave to call this morning is that one of the reasons why our stock market is reacting so strongly to what's going on in the answer is false you cannot require members of that i'm not in it yet they can testify as to john doe or however they don't have to give their identification but they do need to sign it and you know if they just say i i you know what i'm getting public testimony have to sign in because you're i mean wright county clerk's office will call your name and it's in order so i'm wondering let's say i don't want to sign in and i don't want to be identified i can just walk in and they do mention that public testimony is closed and generally have thinking there was an instance where signing it was gone and you come they still have public testimony but i'm wondering what i'd be able to or just hypothetically anyone going to a concert chamber as public testimony still occurring signing his i'm assuming sign it should be there though to the very end but you didn't sign in do you workshop with presentations and break out discussion sessions on an issue before the board how can the board do this in compliance with essential notice of this and meeting follow comments for notice agenda public attendance is a announce meeting i missed it can you fill me in that's it that's perfect for gray area well two members can talk to each other that's a permitted interaction what you can talk about is more limited  in designated chair and take over that time or you can leave it up to them to decide you describe the scope of their investigation it's always good to say specifically you're going to gather information on a certain issue or topic they can meet you can even say couldn't they want you to go to meet with x y and z on a certain topic we want you to review these kinds of documents get input from someone so you can even be that specific it's a good idea to identify the scope of authority to describe it for the board member so that they know how far they can go in their discussions and say going to have the same scope of authority as you have as a regular board member on  next you know we haven't got to the second or third you know it's but but we could do that instead of having one tag cover all topic for the year and have individual takes cover aspects of topics evans correct me if i'm wrong because maybe if we kind of deviated from a consideration that i thought would have been worthwhile where we had one topic and this is where my taking members and breaking this topic into temporary investigative groups but essentially it is one topic but different investigations is that breaking sunshine law for  rather than having the county planning picks a separate take that was a completely separate topic subject matter was you take grants because grass is such a huge monster i guess part of my l but it is a lot of information you could break it down essentially but i was under the impression that it all led to one subject matter which was the grants process so it would be a violation of sunshine law and wonder why we why we couldn't keep one topic but have two to three takes doing separate investigations research fact finding  without collaborating with each other but what would that be a violation of the same chain on basically say i wasn't really an active in what happened last year so i don't know exactly what happen so i'm not sure i'm going to answer the question this is the lake and the way i would say the example would be if we're looking into grants if we were to go back and do that again and we wouldn't we want to have we want to have the ability to compare maui with the best practices nationwide and other comparable going to find them counts so to have a take that would investigate what's we're currently doing and then have it to investigate what similar counties if we can find them are doing and then  to maybe investigate best practices even though that's all under the umbrella and will be combined into the single report on grants there are completely separate investigations and there would be no reason for members of individual takes to collaborate with others in fact it's better if they like larger perspective there's a lot of the stuff that we've done in the past we've not been able to even want to last year in the last few years because of some time all issues which have been brought to more sensitive dates yeah you know so this is a way to put together if you go back and look at our last you know i don't have knowledge back to like two thousand and nine but it's always been two topics and two ticks that have been done for investigations of topics but the way that it was done is not something we can do any more it's just so we need to do is it as it is a board kind of have to establish a new pattern for you know for doing this and so i like this kind of this kind of thinking beyond that we always chosen to topics and there is and we've had the benefit of having board members who are able to donate a lot of time and energy and and that's not something i want to assume that we're always going to and i certainly did and limited on the ability of my resources so i like the idea of choosing one topic you know if if we decide a board to do that and then and then trying provide a full report on it you know so anyway that's just to give you an idea we are shifting from the pattern of fall of the us and just so we clear if we go down that path you know by but the direction of the commission if we go down that path and we follow all we would still be following this frame where during this process and discussion and or feedback would have to occur at the and i'm assuming as like what had transpired with the twenty fourteen twenty fifteen and the point so i just say it has to occur another thing if you do create another take a hypothetical let's say you do exactly what you stated you create another take you are subjected to this the three meetings and it has to be three meetings in order three separate meetings it so let's say you do this september that's your first board meeting you know then you have a second meeting with president or october and november then come december you're going to bring the final report if you go ahead and brought on at a later time yeah and we could i think we can have to take that wants to do just the size of our board we couldn't have three i mean we can't get a rag to the could we have people that are sitting on two t i'll have to check on and get back to my you know personally my own thoughts i would do that i think only the chair possibly and that's another question i have for then deny that i would think that maybe suggestion because of the last agenda item that's coming up but at the end of the of our agenda if that was something that i would have considered in respect to it because the chair is so involved and my experience with the twenty four to twenty fifteen report for me only because of the involvement i had in producing this binder and the work of that it would have been worthwhile for me to be on the tate at the same time as my take members i know it's a lot of work in me not enough someone else may not share the same sentiment but i it's a you know is is that a possibility  assume that that's going to happen i'm just saying is that a possibility where you have three cakes the chair is able to be a part of all three at the same question ye include members on it or not members of the board so if you're looking into a specialized area you can ask of a member of who has expertise in architecture or expertise and you know cultural resources can sit on the won't know what they're saying until they come here and say so once the public knows then they can decide how they want to testify or react or respond to them and i would be at the third meeting when the board deliberates and discuss take is to submit a recommendation that's all that's all we do is make recommendations so i think it's you know it's just an administrative it seems like to me and administrative allege that you know we're not we're not in a position where we can do anything to affect anybody and you so it makes sense with the sunshine law that you would want to fact anybody until they've had a chance to testify but we were not going to we ultimately wouldn't but anyway i think that's report doesn't doesn't come out but once a year we actually we actually do want action you know once a year of the report and you know and that's that's probably not exactly true but that's not the actual board and so you don't have that kind of interaction even a standing committee if you did side to set that up can also occur when you have the temporary investigative groups and have a chair for each separate investigative group the chair is able to communicate with the chair of that commission on a regular basis the chair of the tea can talk to the chair of the commission from not they really should not discuss the status of their you know that's not a problem if they're asking what direction should we take this is a big can of just doesn't have that continued communication between another board member who's not on the team yet so that's it me guards to any direction how's everything is everything ok they think you know how to eat it may not necessarily affect the direction but say you know is everything all right good thank you great i mean isn't that a fair th if there's ever an issue the we can just put it up as an agenda item and we can always modify or change to exist well before those those hard to tell are you know for whatever it is that we're going to in the chair that would contact the chair of the board standing committee for you know budget analysis and so that every month you can have a discussion about what's been found out about the budget process and have a discussion if that's the way you liked and what your business which is there's no harm in that there's no problem with have the autonomy to go out and get information who would be in charge of the gathering and standing committee has everyone notice it's ok but with regards to form it does take time i know all it is sounds like we can just meet and we can change things and many things and i can tell you that writing it putting it all together cheeks time so when say this because as you know the agenda item at the end is myself they'll be some transitional leadership going on here but i will get to that but i see that strongly because you do have a technical writer that you do need to work with them and putting all the information together you guys can meet and so forth but putting it all together does take time and writing it so just bear in mind all of that as well and i even said i mean we could go to our technical writer at any moment right individual about issues that we're discussing over to five because she's not part of the board we're not talking to another board member and what would you want to talk to predecessors you know we've made it a point where the commissioners did the work and i understand that there's a greater at the scope of duties pretty need to the technical writer does include avenue of research and so forth in regards to a subject matter by it you have to keep in mind the budget we are within the budget of for this technical writer so the time used for her is commissioners and you know actually that great war on that in regards to you know the fact that that's what makes us so special is in regards to doing the work mali budget process and practice and i know sandy by budget director has come in before and we've talked about by anyone budget which is part of the twenty fourteen twenty fifteen annual report and we did not select that particular subject matter and it's not the same subject matter that i'm considering what he's suggesting for the commission to consider as the twenty fifteen twenty sixteen and report i will go  say i'm looking at it and you guys are able to chime in and provide your feedback and make that decision preferably on the september agenda as to how you want to go about selecting your colleagues or just any executive branch but your process and practice which would be with the administration legislative branch but your process in practice the other counties including the city and from my understanding looking at their website i make copies that provide some information regarding the budget for the commy of money the process you guys are conceived this is the year so if you take a look at that it's more than likely this is what's going to occur up economy a little bit the dates made be shifted a little bit give or take maybe one or maybe two or three days or so i'm so sorry  it but i just wanted to throw that at you folks in the guise to excuse me taking a look at this subject matter but breaking it down in focus seeing having your you know it is i i wonder if if if we're getting too preoccupied with minutia you know life like we should departments share lawn mower or commission vice chair evidence is that legislatively is made i feel maybe with some of the information i've received that the department heads or those that are managing the departments there's not enough trust there to manage that the apartments and again it comes down to what are you doing with that specific item one more expert does apple how many pencils  seeing you know i think every budget in financial chair kind of does it different to my understanding it varies again depending on the budget and finance chair as to how they're going to approach the session so my suggestion was to do comprehensively looking at not just legislatively what is happening but also on the administration's level  the department heads their input in regards to this as well as other counties one a little specifically because they have i think they do it in a really stiff i'm not mistaken versus  what is being done at the local level here and i've also you know taken it upon myself to look at other counties and i apologize if they're provide copies for all of them but you you over budget there there recommended budget practices there with the best practice and i believe i'm not mistaken and i don't want to get scoldings for this but i believe that sandy box is a really good research regarding that  this particular best practices of recommendations so but yeah i mean there's other counties you know even in the mainland if you look at the same type of population statistically compare how they're doing and see what their their ideas are for the budget and find out you know why the county council feels that their way that they're doing it is that you know without looking at both equally i think you'd be employed as managers to manage that the problem in a day a part of this process as well so i kind of recommend that you definitely take a look at maybe some of the departments and see what they go through as well just  so it will just depend how well the department can summarize and present their budget and that of the team down by time the and that the stand that the council so we would welcome you know letting us know how we can streamline the process what we take taking a look at televised on a caucus is very transparent everyone can come and testify at any type that's probably half the time you're waiting is testimony from the public so you have to think that you have to cooperate that public input because it ministration really does not have been public input they go to  that we have that much more testimony because of course you want money for your nonprofit so you going to come and testify every single day if you can get money for your nonprofit so a lot of our time people is very much at least are in the charter so we sit conference hands we have to hear it three times and it's all over again because people come back and testify once they get so and in the meantime we don't have if you're going to change the gas tax rates then you have to have a hearing on the gas tax rates are going to change  so we try to be open and we try to be transparent and we try to be it's a fast as possible course because we don't want to be sending one's type but we have to be realistic with ourselves in terms of you know what we're trying to do because we do want to make sure that we continue to get a strong bond rating and that's a big thing that we always watch you on make sure that we're not over taxing residents and that we're paying our bills on time because we have actually the best to meet we have the best financial situation in the state right now because of the conservati cassie's out is this course this is it so what we could do is we could say ok it's good to programs and we could say well we're going to cut five hundred thousand dollars and you deal with it but then departments go ballistic so we need to tell them ok this is why we're having this we have to try and help open just to these are the parts that you are trying to adjust in your budget so there's a look on justifiable it's a program budget at the end of the day but it seems that the departments don't necessarily like all the say well you that there would be you know a performance measure for that as well is that something that there is emphasis on the county right so we look at the performance measures but you also have to look at the realities in terms of what are you actually going to translate that performance m into what you're actually going to purchase so that's what we're kind of like to know but a lot of times you know departments may not know all you know what aspect of their operation that they're going to cut it ten percent credit is important well it may depend on what what breaks down it projects we have a six year plan or the things that are going to happen for the next six years so when a project comes to us about the council it should be in that six year plan for a couple of years and if it's not it's a lot of times it does and then you know because that gets a little bit surprising that's why you have to sometimes  well give us your plan because if we're going to give you money if you want you to spend the money a lot of times they come to console they ask for money and then the funds lapse because they can't get the project off the ground so we're frustrated as the council so when we want to find something we want to make sure that you're in the best frame of justify it then other members are going to support you seen it see have facts and data to show this is why you hartman we can't justify five cards the syrians justify only three because we'll give you half because we don't want to raise your property tax free this year and i think single item that we there is there's contention over so everyone can see this is all i'm a cop who is very transparent gift giving and the opportunity for anyone in the public to watch this process so if you want to know why something happens yeah and look watch a cop window whereas other more program based where you've taken a last year's requested by git say from a department head and just let's say they put a little cushion there or would it be more itemization of like line don't how would you suggest that it's have exubera base so to say you know starting from scratch you know of to my understanding from even old sources or thing you have to come to casa to get approval so what we're saying is all you need to do is spend york your salary for themselves your operations on operations in your own kryptonite you put him in because what was happening is that they were spending they would have all these vacancies in a department and then spending all that money on equipment at the end of the year and how is that fair to taxpayers to take that money without anyone knowing without having the public process to show what this money is being spent for so it's only and it would be ok or do they need to come and justify it and get it wrong if they can just gotta remember the budget process years only one year so if you need to buy something very expensive it is prudent for you to budget for it and if you know justify why you're budgeting for that item but if there's an emergency case sure how much has set up a process where it's a streamline process to introduce a resolution to move that chigurh of money from one account to the other and that's similar to all the processes that we've had so we've had that resolution process set up so you could move from one program in other in your department so for example let's use public works for example they have many different divisions of public works they can't use one division of money that into another division actually set up previously but i think it does bring some absolute transparency to the overall process of what's happening and  you know i think i still have a little bit of an issue i mean in a sense of that there are some things that you cannot predict when you're when you're providing a budget and i'm looking at it from the department heads standpoint you know you can't predict managing their department and i understand the transparency i'm all for it and the fact that they have to justify maybe every single thing i think that that has occurred i want to do you have done if it's in your budget you can purchase it it's  budget we don't want to encourage you know we always say you know we if you have big problems that come up come to the council let us know what you know when example is the fire helicopter when you know they didn't have enough money so they came into the  didn't the fines when you get to the fire department said you know we're not going to have enough funds to get us to the fiscal year to to meet payroll for for some reason and so the case because we did find so you know if you're able to understand and kno we do is televise so that you know we hope to be the people sounding board whatever is going on and to comment on instead of you know decisions being made without you know the public in a way i just want to clarify a point he's an earlier that on justifiable with facts they usually come up with a particular number and say well you know in the budget there's this this thing that they're trying to purchase and i don't think you know they knew that this year and then don't reduce it by the amount of ok so it's justifiable so it's   break out the items and if they think that there's spending that's not necessary to build stuff that amounts that amount program but here's the thing if it would and department doesn't agree agree they can spend the money anyway because it's a program budget even if you were to cut out a certain amount of money because you think that spending isn't necessary they can take the money from another area and spend it on exactly so it's to me it sounds ok i understand so it's frustrating but as a member you need to get five votes to justify it some type of reductions you're going to try and outline when it is but you know it's yeah it's not guaranteed that that's what the department's got you but yeah ok you got it that very or as to who is well it's hasn't changed very drastically over as many chairs that i can remember from general comments back but i think the last time he was by the chair maybe ten years ago he was i think it's no very run similarly  the communities but i think the communities would kind of be a little bit upset if you did that you know and you can kind of trying to read the director's up but you know what i said was much as the directors complain i feel of going before constant having to wait once to there they love to talk and you know they love to answer questions because of course you want something that's in your budget you want to defend what you're department is doing and i think it's a rare offer to you can be for the council and talk about all the things that you're going to be able to do so i think it's also a very good learning opportunity for the community too to hear from certain departments because this is how i level you know budgeting what's going on and what's what's going to happen throughout the coming year and part of it is not only operations a i think that the six year plan is a very good plan to understand because what you're trying to do at your current year is not only look at what's happening today which you also want to look to your debt financing for the future so you're trying to figure out what's the ceiling that we're going to go to  and are we going to have a big jump in amount of projects for bartering in the coming years so you kind of want to have an idea and need some type of be slain to decide ok we're going to bond this much this year but how much do we need in the upcoming couple of years how much we're going to pay down in debt versus what we're going to float in the following years so it's kind of you know you have to have some type of idea they may not follow it to a t but at least you kind of have some ballpark figure of saying ok we're ok at barring this  us understand you know both sides because i'm really everything you said makes a lot of sense to me and i wanted to understand it fully and see you know are we doing this the best way we possibly can current or is there any way there kind of expected from the community and that's one aspect of it and just the flurry of you know knowing that it's my suspicion column and they know what that this is what you have to do in terms of testifying i think if you can dictated directly by the county council partly and i think that it's a good question of the you know thank you recommendation that was brought up before and they tried that for the grants review committee and that got disbanded  so you know i think it's kind of go you know you try different ideas over and over again rate sometimes i think you're always open to that but you know i think part of it is the realities of the political world that we operate in you know one person's going to want to get in and if they're not going to get in through that review process they're going to go to the mayor and the mayor doesn't cut it and then they're going to come to the council and they're just going to continue lobbying they're going to try every step of the way to get somebody into the budget and that's kind of where we stand so you're saying alternately they're just going to get have it set larger goals you know we want we want to achieve this with the homes that we want to do this with after school programs and have and have outcomes as their focus rather than we want to get this much money to this organization for this purpose you see that it's more of a check and executive function perfectly said i understand but you have to go back to the political realities as they said  process that are not based on performance is something that's caught me about across everything not just in the local we're looking national we're looking at international so there are many reasons why that's the the usual process that reality is the public only has so much money to give for resources and services and if you look at the graham process which we did there's not near the accountability required for the grant says it is for each department that's absolutely true and that well let me ask the person that's worked with the council why it why is it that way that as a grantee i could say we're all and we reviewed some of the  service up to this many kids and we want to do up to this and up to that and it's not by any means you know integrated into a normal all program where you live break down ok this is what we're going to do and this is how we should we're going to do it it doesn't happen so why is it in terms of what worked with what he will in terms of results for a client to evaluation yeah well i mean i don't want to get away from if they weren't doing it right so we're talking about things like homeless issues we're talking about things like afterschool programs and education so therefore the functioning of those governments and the policies that you would use along with the performance indicators that you would use are slightly different then what would occur in an open market where some organization as a business would take over those kinds of things so that's the the the high level or cigarette of the reason why you have to have a different budgeting and grant process where these organizations will profit it's not necessarily a measure i want agree there but nobody wants to create a school in which children bill maher nobody wants to run a garbage service in which the garbage doesn't get picked up by here so collectively we come s so that's that's just one reason or another reason is that a lot of these functions are very difficult to measure using performance indicators so because of the difficulty in creating an appropriate performance indicator for say helping homeless people can make it extremely difficult to them grants appropriate grants another one is care for the elderly which is also extremely difficult to measure using performance these kind of seeing performance indicators that you used as say on a balance sheet for budgets so that is also an issue that can lead to difficulty in making these kinds of decisions based on these pure performance measurements if the performance measure existed yet it would be used in the us i don't think it so measurements that's currently used is response time we didn't come up with a response time performance measurement until the one nine hundred sixty s before that there were many many different ways in which the efficiency  police and fire departments were used and it was until this research by the rand corporation in the one nine hundred sixty s that they found definitively that response tied was the one that led the most to a lot of the performance indicators of the outcomes that they wanted to see they we see but it's not because these these departments are trying to do a bad job it's because it's just very complex and very very difficult in what it is that they're trying to do that's not that's not to say that we shouldn't hold them accountable no you know specific goal which is difficult for me to understand and i think part of it why why it's just five will probably a lot of concept brewskis because they look at a lot of the programs and services and you have to look at a lot of also if you  look at what transportation services we also provide that is a grant in aid for and you know i mean you know so there's a lot of things you know that are layered on top of each other and i think a lot a lot of members look at and say well if we had to provide it on our own we would be pain double triple the amount  process because you know you get to see general overview of what's going on in the department because you're so segmented in all these different she asks you know you look at smaller you know you look at homelessness issues bustin you know but then now you get to look at overall all important you know if you want to spend the time and you want to have the discussions because now is the time to have it because if not then the ship has sailed right but they don't they don't you would guess that they are they don't think that a meaningful change could be made to improve the overall budget to have the buy in about these five members to say ok a majority of the council wants change in the process let's cut this this and this out and i like i said before we put it out there we talked about it we take suggestions on what you can cut out what you can put back in but unfortunately and i'm sad to say we kind of end up in the same place every single time ok this is you know it's very similar to what happens every year yeah yeah and you started by saying of sad how much time we spend on process but in fact it because you have to remember we have to manage nine members you know this is not an executive branch where the meet with one person says goes we have managed night individuals make sure that they are all ok make sure that on board with the process go down the road trying to stand for yourselves but it may not be yeah you know i'm trying to give you as much as i know so you don't go down this road in the you know like oh well nothing's happened that these changes give the same recommendation that we thought of but we just honestly never did because we couldn't get by and  the time that amount of time i think to me is not specifically the problem but you know i think bill for us because it's a cost thing it's just all the lead up and then you know for you to receive such you know go through item that's why the justifications for if you're going to build a project that needs to be sound so that's how they do it in my ok opinion of looking at every single c h p project specially as the c h p projects that will follow you down and you're going to start to get build a huge amount process you're going to understand that that's not how it works and you know if you want to investigate go ahead and you know you're willing to come back here again you need to do what you need to do but i'm just trying to tell you this is what we're doing  of the possible you know what would prevent the ministration for presenting a budget that's smore summerize and the council still required to vote on it within that time period they'll do and say we're taking ten percent out of this i without with would actually go and talk to the county council figure out more what they want just to be devil's advocate and then communicate with that ministration how to better format their budgets first and middle name the process or stream i'm to say no the there's going to be such a what about you know when you take a look at the overall picture of the budget that the change is very minute you know a lot of times the council is just kind of increases a lot of times it's just adjustments very small for information and if they don't submit it then we're just going to say ok well then they can justify it so they don't get the fines and so that's time of the process they're going to be prepared to justify it to the line up the line item level well if they if they really really need that if you can just a fire so if you know if you don't have the information a lot of the communications from the constituted ministration are justification when you came to present or in your presentation you did not include these aspects of what we're asking about can you please you know answer them via letter or the when we couldn't come before council they kept they don't they said i don't know you know i can't really say at this point i let me get back to you so that's why we have to generate a letter sent to the ministrations so that they have it in writing so that what they know what they have to surprised every single year so this is that's why we spend you know government to time on this and it impacts every single person because you keep property tax rate you pay your we tax you peter gas tax and i get very hot so many people throughout the course of the year that it would be didn't spend this much time and i'm going to i agree on the time war and peace you know some things do occur and i do need to say that i mean rather you go on a conclave review some of the stuff but don't you feel that maybe the members need to do with the feel they need to do you know they're responsible and they're you acted by the voters the people and so you know whatever they do is up to private even if they can justify it to their you actor that's what they have to do in my opinion you know you may not then that's up to the member troy had raised us with his presence and we're thankful for that because we've we've we we have set of the teachings out before so thank you troy and you guys i would like to do for this obviously with regards to not necessarily that this question or precept that subject matter again for discussion but i believe the guy should be focusing on what you will be doing with regard to twenty fifteen twenty sixteen annual report i mean is coming again september is the next meeting unless you know where they are this september so there is so time constraints here so ok is there anything else that particular heading i i do regret not having it there before a shift egypt was part of the and there are reports for twenty thirteen twenty fourteen and  through all this time but we were complete we were focusing on our annual report and i'm hoping that this will be i get it for the agenda in the future but that would require looking at the strategic plan looking at the short term goals the long term goals that were set and the commission discuss it see where your act if the strategic plan needs to change i believe the strategic plan was from twenty or boy he was a three year if i'm not mistaken it was a three year twenty fourteen to twenty seventeen so you know again we're going to be leading up to the next agenda item  you know i it would be my recommendation for the commission to consider and having this as an agenda item regularly and you look at it and see what you need to do because  the well the purpose of it and i'll just give you my experience with google drive and i've got to dropbox as well as google drive so and this is for at the state level our commission and what he did was when you had gone electronic meaning that we were no longer receiving this stock of documents and the mammals and everything moved to electronic mail this was a better way of putting that document so that the member could access the documents required as if it was a year ago i mean the months are broken down and folders agendas are there everything that is going to be presented handouts and they're all there so whether you forget it and you need to print it out again  can access if now i believe sandy bar has mentioned to me that where they are able to attach it to the you know the cost of government the county of mali cost the government has their own before we get to get ourselves on that band aid and i definitely love the discussion i definitely want to check because a concert if this is appropriate if this is ok because this is neil i don't think any other commissioner drive you talked about documents like our people on the long talk to properly get through to the county website it wasn't easy pass it to what's so before you try to do this you i think you need to understand it and finally the caption says it's public no fault so if there's a request for a document public request you have only so many days to suggestion because some of us are familiar with dr google drive and my experience with the state was there was really no issues however i understand where at the local county level is the fact that you know i'm thinking  camille i'm thinking about the technical writer out that you know about the fact that there are cows that aren't distributed a year ago i distributed it a few important handle to regarding timelines and so forth and you know without mentioning you know there was a member who stated that it wasn't provided i know it was provided so will you know if that's the reason why if you take notice in the minutes it's now put their handles this tribute it  members are not taking their handles you know i know you guys got emails about stuff being left behind you know that is for you to take and if there is a subject matter that is a different i don't know that it would bring  misty for it to next meeting i think that there needs to be sound communication with council as where as well as john's office and along with the o c s office to make sure everybody's on the same page i don't think it's a bad idea again the state is doing it you know if it was that bad then of course i don't think it would be doing it by it i do understand that there are legal ramifications that could come about  the level how things are being done and i think respect for the it's something that's possible that could help in the future maybe not right now but maybe for future members for cost of government this may be that's the movement to be on is everything is basically in regards to having a clean break and that was very important for me anyway and we speculating it's a great professional appropriate thing to do so that as you walking as you walk into this annual report about this more it's volunteer i hear it all the time why put the amount of time into something like this and i would say  i have ever had the privilege to be a part of it's not the end of course and just phone calls away or i will be watching but i'm very proud of where we are and i'm hoping that my leadership had set a few footprints in the sand for this commission you guys are in a good police and i again i'm proud of how far we've come especially for what we've experienced a year ago i want to thank the office of the county our turn you know it it's been a work in progress and thank you you know and it may continue to be it will be a work in progress as you you know get your footing as well because you're in new york and so forth and there's going to be new but that's how passionate i am about this work and you know i want to thank members of the county council there are members of the county council that really believe in what we do and support us and ph check we know that but it's like teaching you know if the rewards complete or or the rewards are there the impact is me and so what we do for cost of government i'm very proud of the sense of being a part of this commission because we are tasked with proving what we do through an annual report showing the work that we do and i am confident k so with that said thank you again everyone and again this is in the end but so without further ado next agenda item is determined next meeting date time place and agenda we're going to go back to i guess it's going to be september tenth if we go back to our schedule i know we kind of threw everything off i apologize everybody