off any items that are not all right so seeing and hearing none will move forward with the rest of the city council dinner and first up tonight we have the joint meeting with the school board trustees in tonight will be discussed the number and of understanding between the city and new ski in the totally unique system where we have a secondly incorporated i charter a municipality city in the school which is has its own separate charter and by way of our two bodies having those separate and distinct creations i think it can lend itself for into teasley just to work in silos and i think what we've done in the past is take really tremendous steps toward seeing a real of working together for the betterment of the community and i think this in the way you really represents one of the most us formalizing a lot of the relationship that we've developed between departments between staff share in is cool and jesse baker our city manager and numerous other department staff members that we know work back and forth because we recognize i think is the city is and i think the spirit of this new supports that that there's a continuum of service and they continue to care for community members that doesn't start and stop where our sidewalks and their property begins and doesn't start and stop with the doorways of the schools  are where it's ok kids go forth and do what you do right it's a holistic view of how we care for provide opportunities and create an environment in our city that's a great place to live in a place where people can raise families and be successful so we couldn't be more proud to work with you really appreciate all the efforts that you've gone through over the past several years since since i've been involved you know not not just to show up for this meeting once a year here and also of course talks about our s r o relate our relationship grammar school resource officer in our police department writing care for kids out of school time for the services department and other shared priorities that really there's no significant difference from last year to this year you think it's working well and would like to continue these shared expectations i think the only thing i'd say the biggest change year year is that our new logo is on in the memorandum and we've given the counselors schrag there with a shirt and water bottle and some stickers and pens and we hope that you will wear and use those out and about in the city so that we can continue that it can prove it's worth having an office or a school but i look at it is the protection hopefully we never the and it never needed to use any kind of force in the school at all for any reason but what i'm across the rose so you know that it just that relationship is what we're trying to build the side benefit of having him there for protection if we needed we hope we never made the other starting to look at it is really a recruitment tool you know how do we talk with young people about the profession of public safety and start thinking about giving those opportunities and we were able to recruit somebody from the school unfortunately as a staff person but  intervention as he spent six years working with our kids and families who then decided to take his career into public safety and now at the part time academy becoming it when you see police officer in the benefit of that young police officer officer processes is really really important so thank you for supporting that work on  you lot of time you commit the dream i get that that collaboration benefits the community tremendously and it doesn't happen without us breaking down those silos that could have naturally stopped us boastful this you know i think people look at when you see right now as a community that's heading in a really exciting direction and we know that that's not just the city minutes not just restaurants and the innovation taking place in the school that i have reflected to me on a regular basis is has just become a cornerstone benchmark of conversation any time i leave the city and have conversations with other leaders across the state that there's a real appreciation for the work so now i think you usually do read the content aloud i want to open up any comments from the community prior to doing so before we read through the memorandum of understanding ok so we have tonight before us a memorandum of understanding to the city of new skin to skin color for its school district dated the seventeenth of september two thousand and eighteen this memorandum of understanding is made this day between the new skin corporate school district here in after call of all honesty residents by moving towards a model of collaborative work with me collective impact which includes a common agenda shared measurement system mutually reinforcing activities and continuous communication the city in district will new school district students will lead healthy productive and successful eyes and engage in their local and global community to this in the city agrees to provide and or support a diverse offering out of school time programs with supplemental with supplement and enhanced the use ability to lead healthy productive and successful lives and engage in a local and global community this includes but not be limited to this drive summer program thrive afterschool program summer and school year meals program o'brian center tutoring program summer teen employment program or staff and the ordination of various volunteer service learning opportunities number to commit to where possible employ development and behavior management strategies and city run programs that align or support those strategies being employed by the district number three provide students with community based learning opportunities through various through various full functions of city government where possible and ensure safe well built will maintain an affordable housing throughout the city number six provide a variety of transportation options through complete streets that they can count and needs of motorists by as those public transportation users and pedestrians all ages and ability and number seven the city agrees to provide snowplow insulting services to the school the service will be managed or provided by the city's department of public works operational procedures should be decided by the superintendent of schools or doesn't the as negotiate with the public works director or their designated those individuals should create a written agreement in consultation with the super to no school and city managers each fall the district reserves the right to put out to bid it's empowering salting and sanding services on the open market for collect tax collection purposes as set forth on the tax statements provided to the parties by the department of education to the district agrees to name the city as a subsidiary purchaser when it bulk purchases such goods and services directly from the vendor be soley responsible for payment of the say collectively the city of district agreed to one at the district's request the city shall provide school resource officers who were just the police department the district agrees to reimburse the city for all expenses related to the provision of the s r o including salary benefits and the related cost up to fifty five thousand dollars as approved by the voters each year the city will estimate for the district in the month of november the cost as a member of the what is the police department and as such will follow the general order issued by the chief of police after consultation with the superintendent of schools and in compliance with the board policies that counterman the role of police officers to allow the other to use its facilities for the benefit of whisky residents especially families and children without charge except that one substantial that it costs sued to either to the city or the district for the use of the say by the other party a reasonable charge  assessed through the district will participate in city staff manage city y planning efforts to ensure that all voices are heard and the best future for the city it would excuse discuss this show include a citywide master planning process for an order of foster range of housing often options and ensure a safe well built well maintained and affordable housing through the city the district agrees to participate in the city charter staffed housing commission in order to ride that five  that this evenings and you know we also have a liquor control board meeting so we're actually going to do a brief recess on the city council meeting and we will reconvene that meeting following the look control board new coming you want to share the public and if that's the way you want to keep it that's ok but sir we gauge the age of your business by the fact that the first time that you came in here i think they were both welcome a few other dates so we've been talking about our housing series so that there will be three different discussions to have regular housing commission meetings as they go through the process to move those ordinances forward and then a special conversation on tuesday october ninth from sixty eight here in the city council chambers and confirmed panelists that evening include mike monte earhart brian pioneer hoekstra it's a good panel they're all excited to be here and we hope you know broadly invite the public to come out and learn about housing policies and tools and thing and tools the council and planning commission and housing commission are considering to meet the city's goals city clerk's office has received something traditionally i mean his colleagues do in conjunction with their insurance provider to talk about employees safety and really hear from employees the tools and training and resources they need to feel safe at work so that committee has been working really hard in l probably nine months and is launching two trainings this fall one is for public works staff will be doing confined space training so when they're down and hole is fixing water leaks usually in reality and secret t we have been the last couple of city updates we've been giving you updates on new business is coming to town so we wanted to welcome friends to poly restaurant at two twelve main street previous location of call and they are open and from all reports review that comprehensively to see if it reflected what the actual work of the job is and that will be big into our proposed budget to you all that song and then finally we had a regional  for a couple of years we anticipate executing that contract beginning of november and coming back with a request for f y nineteen funding from reserve funds from service balance to support that work as well as an appetite twenty  later so the public safety commission that believe it was last week as i reported prior they have lost the chair as well as some other commission members so it's been challenging for the group to get together world in the meantime and then there's also been this ongoing discussion difficulty which i think you've heard from commission members and have also discussed amongst ourselves in regards to the charge and if the charge of that commission being so there was a conversation which of course there are you know there are parts of our conversation that are challenging in moving forward ultimately the decision of the commission was to hold off on a permanent for the time being wow as we go down the road with the process that we discuss and are forget exactly what it was called our planning retreat kind of you know if there is going to be alignment or a change december to put provide some input on the budget process like our other commissions do so i think they're going to work to be of the stone they take or leave it at that time but they also expressed that i really want to pass on they want to be really and gauged in the discussions that we have and that our other commissions half in looking at our commission structure and if if there are changes that need to be made and if so what those changes are i'm in there and i have also i've been able to connect  there down to members one member just moved out of the area and another has been unable to attend and i think currently oh the commissioners  expired appointments so there's probably a need for revitalizing that and getting everybody back on board officially there is conversation about the main st paul projects and you're pretty excited that they're underway bit super know how they communicate and the commissioners are considering being involved with the technical advisory committee so that will allow them to have input and their goal is to have a plan for future approvals so that was the gist of the meeting thank you and just a quick note in regards to more of those others too we did so a meeting to follow up after a round of interviews and just backing up from a public perspective council authorized group to go forward with posting in the new interviewing treasure applicants and that that was conducted interviews were done  finalist was selected the finals actually also accepted the position so we have been working towards doing this final approval for the last couple weeks unfortunately today due to professional conflict at their work  next step or action there was a another example in the mix for a while so you know we've got some other things to consider there so that was the plan next step of the action unless the council has any additional guidance or feedback in regards to that action plan i'm hesitant market exact date that we could have some deals forward just because that process could could play out over some time nfortunately just changed any questions or concerns from the  are there is a memo from staff on operational impacts and if implemented what this would look like from the worst experience there is if you decide to move forward tonight they're required resolution and you would need to approve actually legal questions concerns an item in the last meeting and we received we asked for some feedback some additional items to be followed up on in the city manager is presented that information back to us conversation you know the basic reflection that i can give is that there was a sense that they did not have enough time to address this issue and take it out in the way that from their perspective was feasible at a pace in which they felt that they could from the last meeting in regards to what was being considered both from from the voting ballot language and information and also from i think those were pieces of the outcomes that are being proposed versions have four main sections romans one two three and four and the sections two three and four in each version are the same and those sections are just clean up versions are really not substantive to the main issue  that you're addressing which is permitted non citizens to vote those three sections contain changes to the two other provisions in the charter which reference the word citizens and there were some feeling of it may create some confusion as to what citizens made mean so in those three sections we've changed the word citizens to either resident or person of the pending on the context and each version that you have in front of those changes are closely the provisions of act one twenty eight that was adopted by the vermont legislature in this past past session to provide some element of protection for the state voter checklist and in this draft we've opted to try to adopt those provisions as closely as possible hopefully hoping that we can mirror whatever procedures the state puts in place with respect to the municipal checklists that we would be developing under this this new regime if you ask is it you say we hope we would do this and that's because we're not aware what the mechanics of that are going to look like  i'm not aware of that at the moment and i think that there may be some serious questions as to how protective those provisions are in large part because it put the provisions of act one t restrict access of the database to certain agencies over which the state does not control and so it's not clear to me how how those provisions will play out as they get state level that that process that error yourself why it's very controversial there may be some commercial users or commercial parties that would like to have access to the voter checklist that may feel some restrictions there but other than that through what what we're going to be concerned about is whether federal immigration authorities are going to want to have access to the city checklist just as an example the city of san francisco has just recently adopted a provision which permits non citizens to vote in school board elections only school board elections and affidavit which reads important notice for non united states citizens any information you provide from the department of lection elections including your name address and actress may be obtained by immigration and customs enforcement ice and other agencies organizations and individuals and it goes on to recommend that people reading this consult with immigration attorneys or other parties that protect immigration rights so clearly that's it in this sort of setting we're in a fairly politicized environment presently and these are the kinds of things that you may want your voter registrants to be aware of if they're going to raise and then for that reason the addition of this subsection didn't in in this proposal  creates issues and i just don't know how they're going to play out some additional language that makes clear that the qualifications for voters in municipal elections will be governed by subsection be in the section whereas other provisions of state law regarding voter registration absentee voting in the conduct of elections generally will continue to be governed by what's called general wallace should basically see alexion law of the state of vermont subsection b old this is in distinction to existing state law which requires in addition to those require means that the person be a citizen of the united states natural citizen i want to highlight one provision which is that the requirement for us for residency residency is a defined term in vermont statutes and it means a natural person who is domiciled in this state as evidenced by an intent to maintain a principal dwelling place in the state indefinitely and to return their temporarily absent coupled with an act or acts consistent with that intent so for each registrant there it's a factual question as to whether that person satisfies this residency requirement for the vast majority of people it's very simple question oh i live at that ten main street here you know here's my here's my driver's license here's my utility bills and i've been living there for five years that's pretty simple but for others and especially in the context of this proposal there  be some additional questions as to what residency needs and again let me turn to the hot button issue which is the immigration question one of my partners who is an immigration attorney has told me that the only non citizen who can legitimately claim a right to indefinite residency in the state or in this country is a person holding a green card that persons who have other forms of permission to be in the united states whether it's a student visa it would be these a one he the a whole variety of categories those who are here seeking asylum legitimately all of those parties have a temporary right to be in the united states and and my partner suggested that the question whether any of those parties who do not have a green card but are otherwise here legitimately have it as a matter of walking right to remain definitely so there's some questions about residency in the context of this immigration issue which i don't think we we can resolve i just want to point them out to the council so that you folks are aware does this go back to we have a question at the last meeting other questions and this juncture for boeing regards to what's been said so for i mean kind of going into the operational piece is going to go to next which is great i just had one more of the border checklist stuff of any power station with some and i think my question is more along the lines of do our employees have the authority to deny the production of documents to the federal government if requested to produce documents it's a hot topic subject this man because i'm worried about giving people false liability that someone would be taking to register you know be a part of a checklist i think this is a i quite frankly think that this is an issue that is more an out of the subject in this is not one that functional guidance given in terms of how the us or its efficacy in doing what it's intended to do and walked away from the last time very concerns and getting the sense in research afterwards that  there's a pretty broad belief that this was not necessarily an effective piece of the legislation in terms of what it was who can do advocates a supporter of it but it was the best thing that could get done and that's that's again concerning for me to have us to roll that into this without really understanding how those pieces are going to fit together that's so remember the baseline here records it is it will probably be construed as some partial exemption from the paul public record but the contours of that and how it operates at this point is pretty much  time down the road there would be a liability like the idea of having some sort of you know morning language or just on language language that says checklists municipal or checklists are public records that could be accessed by individuals and here's the type of information that would be included in one of the biggest and most important things is that we're not asking or documenting what somebody's citizenship or immigration status is so obviously you can't disclose what you know of so i think that that's critical so this is you know i don't like this language but it's also not walk box is just another layer of protection i also don't feel like it's one hundred percent necessary in order to move forward i do think there is  you know an assumption of liability for some individuals in some way own but at the same time you know my guess is even if we had the most i or defenses around access to the borders checklist if somebody was undocumented i don't even think that assurance would likely be enough for it visual to take the risk of registering to vote which is unfortunate but it's just you know a likely reality and i also think it was interesting in my conversation with the clerk and mayor i but they have not had a single request from somebody who's not campaigning so i didn't find that interesting in this heated political climate yeah it sounds like there's a lot of if and maybes and or whether state law that applies to the election of school board members was if you look at that right now i don't want you to do it on the fly i think that says to me if we have to municipal bodies one it's not i see a lot of references to the titian so nominations for the office of trustee shall meet the requirements made by petitions and meet the requirements of section seven of the charter of the city but i don't see anything about either nominations for trustee or trustees themselves that would have title sixteen not i think having different bodies different folks eligible to run is a question that deserves further exploration yes it's not clear to me what the answer to the question is in the school district context because the references within the charter to the city charter speak more of the who's eligible to sign th that's not something that i think that there's been i think i did also say can i think it was meant so my point is it's not a seamless transition where we don't even really need to worry about the school district side of things i think there are issues impacting the school district that have not been certainly haven't been discussed by the school board but it not been analyzed by either our attorney or the school district attorney that's my opinion for the school on this issue in the reship form i think the questions are only for context in the fact that there's recognition that whatever the city does in our charter because it's the school cross references that has an impact others since we went into the school charter or any other school district i don't in that in that we discussed last time in terms of the process by which could be a constitutional change but that there being some uncertainty there about leaving a hole at the bottom line is that there is sufficient  as to the effect of the constitutional provision that we don't know whether our from our constitution will be interpreted to permit not citizens to vote until our supreme court answers that question and their arguments on both sides of their argument that the constitution does not prohibit non citizens from voting it certainly gives a whether the legislature has the power to expand that box is an open question there are some commentators who would say that the language of our constitution opens the gate for  the provision then an aggrieved party member would make the state of vermont a defendant in the case and and the attorney general attorney general's office would be called upon to defend the position of the that there's we can't control when a citizen file suit so a citizen could file suit before anything gets to the legislature so that if the measure is approved in november a citizen could one question that's come up from some public on it too is can you address anywhere shape or form what exposure or potential liability from a legal perspective the city may or may not be in this because of the nature of the issue it certainly will say and invites opportunities for either organizations individuals or interested in these with an opposite perspective of this proposal have not received any communications that world where or that you know an organization said we will do this as a result of you do in the us so i think that that's where we stand in terms of potential legal liability is  certainly see the potential for it because of the nature of the issue don't necessarily have clarity around maybe each of the little points in regards to what somebody could or could not argue effectively against it  and probably reasonably regardless of how much time were spent on not spin on this issue would likely never get to a place of being able to finish put that into a box because again as the there has to my knowledge there has been no withholding of funds for an action like this it is a complete but competitive grant process and they're not about it's  like the other of the funds that go to the police department where it's an allocation that sort of is guaranteed according to a formula that there's really no room for judgment on the  actions matter so what's that balance are we are we opening or is opening the door to the community values more than the risk we may put some of our residents in we don't actually know what our population here is most anecdotally i think we know that most of our population is here in some kind of appropriate legal status so should not be concerned but but it's a scary time for people who don't like me  assistantship question on the twenty twenty census from one and there is at least the argument being made by those opposing the action even asking that question raises real risks as to whether the certain i mean clearly there we have heard threats from the justice department that it is going to take actions against cities that have impacted what the tional questions on the language of the charter the charter of the school the constitutional process the legislative issues  there is questions on multiple levels of government we would have we would always have a will ballot so for example g p s would be moved to a local ballot we also have to run local primary ballots as g p s run on a party b we're recommending to double that which is going to cost one thousand dollars the election i'm simply because right now the election workers work in teams while checking off the list when handing the ballot and as we're going to have to m decisions which ballot in each individual case which ballots each person gets we want to just be sure we're protecting the accuracy of the election and and providing more support to do that so at the end of the election at the end numbers and those numbers would be balanced against the number of ballots cast so we would have to maintain that checks and balances of the county had one hundred people taken of local ballots we've got a hundred again we had a hundred  something that additional in that spirit you know unless the changes that have been passed out from the state if we pass for but thank you so much for putting all the thought into what i think is a really good framework for a process that we could communicate to voters if we decide other person's constant trying to counsel in regards to process questions after this i think it's appropriate given we've kind of walked through the main points of this to turn it back to the audience to see if this question comes concern from the public on the item so  if they wanted to go in all actions would fill out two counts without the infamous shove the community accept federal fun before about this measure of work my wife i think she's a fantastic person choosing canadian citizen we are going through an extended process trying to allow her to become an american citizen as well although that is a task in these times i know that one of the arguments against this is that people should err keep it to go through the process but honestly who knows how long it will take it used to be a matter of a  more generally about this proposal i hear i hear a lot  of i don't i would almost say i do stand the desire to move conservatively to make sure that we have checked all boxes but it also feels a little like you are afraid to make a stand for something that is right argument that you know maybe students should be allowed for the same reasons but the fact of matter is they are and the street that i live down on is filled with students and our professionals who  can prove that you know indefinite desire to stay here no more than any any you know non citizen resident exposure the federal government and perpetration particularly this federal government and why their parents had a new translation expectations which you didn't speak about but it's possible i would assume from that question is do we need to have the ballot in a number of different languages so be so that everyone in fact can exercise the right to night or to learn thanks to the mayor that the school board has decided to say we don't have enough time to do this we don't have time to think about it and so they are not done we've also heard a number of items from the i don't understand the rush there's another election coming in march nothing's going to happen by the way between november and march that allows to put this thing in place before the march of lectures this is not going to happen the fact of the matter is that from my perspective the city council of the cause maybe even established a committee that includes new americans of well as citizens who've been here for a while and to discuss all the things that you've discussed tonight so that everyone in the community knows about all these things and then if this decided that it should be on a ballot absorb all the costs that come with being the first doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me because there will be costs at every step of the way there will be costs associated with putting it on the ballot there will be costs associated with going to the legislature there will be costs when the legislature decides are not going to do anything about it as nicole said is put on the wall been there many times to put it on the ballot the put it on the ballot in march or even the next march whatever it is it's important that the that the we understand what the impact is on the school district as well as on the city but my point again two separate one  two separate charters and they have to be a part of this they can't be left with we don't know what's going to happen because they're on the same process you are putting together a budget to be voted the march well if they've got to put add to their legal fees to be able to overcome the obstacles as you put it in a way that all you've done is added to their problem there's no reason to do that there's no hurry we can do this we can work it out we can figure it all up one time or another if you are going to put it on a ballot i would urge you to divide or the subsection of the two parts sort of one section deals with non citizen voting the other section deals with the change of citizen's arrest because you already have non citizens serving on a variety of committees and so that should be cleaned up and her child regardless  there are a lot of unknowns here we can't control what the legislature is going to do what the supreme court is going to do what the federal government's going to do but we can only do what we think is right build the community that we want to live in and that's what i ask you all to think about tonight when we vote on whether to move forward with us every every step step toward social progress always comes with somebody or or some group of people having the courage to take that step and i want that to be our city tonight thank you much much higher and therefore more representative of communities when issues are placed on ballots that take the quote side of the general elections so i believe putting the push into a march ballot would make it less representative of the wishes of the community and just i want to  in the form of voting hello my name is margaret takes first i'm an american citizen and i just want to say that i know this city is trying to be something special you are special you're special to every citizen that lives in this city you don't have to do it by trying to make new ways for our country the country was founded on voting for american citizens i had nothing against people that are not american citizens and i know how hard it is for someone with a green card to get to be an american citizen that's part of what america is it's even harder for refugees and i'm sure it's difficult for anyone that wants to become an american citizen but it's worth the fight and you are making it easy easy for them to settle in and say i don't have to do anything i can follow what will it be next are you sharing the courses that other cities will be following are you trying to be the first to initiate this you're following california is our connection with california we're a little city one square mile we're proud that we've welcomed every time in person that that come here we've opened our hearts to we're not cruel we're not biased we're we're open hearted people i've lived here all my life born here my mother bird or citizenship my grandmother and grandfather urt their citizenship i guess i have to change it i mean american citizen you can try to move forward on minority wishes usually it's what follows we the majority have the fall and it's not that i have anything against anyone but it is something that this city should have given much more thought to and much more care of their citizens than to move out with i don't know anyone and  did you see that they're doing this without even letting us know you began the wrong way but i hope you don't ended the wrong way think this cell as george said step back two steps trying to understand what america is and what america citizenship stan for yes i know it's difficult they serve on boards they vote i mean they pay taxes i understand all that but she can't start by making this are a blog and hoping other cities will do the same thing it's not right and i know in your hearts you know it's not great we should keep our voting to american citizens and i hope you do give it some more thought thank you thank you all the work you've put into this so far and i'm here to say i'm not opposed to this whole thing i agree with george slow down there's no rush i've heard a lot of words tonight probably maybe we could you know might those are words that perhaps if a group were to study the whole issue for a little while that some of that made become clearer i think it would give time to perhaps educate the citizens because some of the comments are being made on things that bothers me a bit is it's causing a little diversity and it seems like we don't need another pick to separate the city we've had f thirty five s we've had main street revitalization we've had the main street pool issue we've had the topics on the particular let's come up with something that we can unite the city again you know i'm thinking pumpkins do something like that but again thank you for your work i hope you'll step back take time it's of rarely a serious thing and do your best  and say this again because i support this goal i've worked towards this goal when i was on council but you gotta slow down and you know you don't have to fill all the boxes but you've got a few comments questions concerns in the public ballot this november and because of the potential implications for a constitutional amendment or a change would it then be set back another four years in order for the thousand and eight i'm wondering if the constitution actually for the legislature traverse the constitutional provision as permitting them to bring forward a constitutional amendment at any point during i think it is incredibly important and we should all of our community members all of our residents who are just as invested in the future of the news media as the five of us sitting up here have the opportunity to participate in local decision making alongside us  one of the things that really resonated with me during some of the public hearing called us tonight was in regards to whether or not to move forward with a november or march election i think you know listening to comments within these chambers than anything in common is that outside of our community going to either side it is a really big and important decision for our community and i think we have a responsibility to our voters and to our residents to allow people the most number of community members to weigh in on that important decision making and i think i would really struggle putting this before voters in march with the half you know ten to twenty percent voter participation as opposed to a november election where we can ensure the most number of people in our community have an opportunity to consider this for any implications of a for our community and you know who in regards to a lot of them evie hughes and if so i don't think even if we were seven months or five months seven months three years five years later down the road and still having this discussion was interested in moving forward at the time so it's been discussed prior of the what i've heard from people in the community is that they're ready that they're interested in one way or the other and whether or not this is the direction  we do a lot with comments about the speed and pace at which government makes decisions and acts and i know coming from the outside i certainly came into this position and wall and  representative space is a look at official with a sense of urgency and desire to see the changes that i felt strongly about in the community take place this quickly as possible it took me a few stumbles  and bruises and my opinion some negative effects on the community to recognize that there's a process that has to take place in the community for big decisions were not an election it's not about getting most of those were put in these positions in these seats not just to represent the people who voted for us who are going to vote in favor of the policies that we've put for the budgets we put forward put in the seats to try to represent the entire community including the people who are go against the things we've put forward and to me that's really important because it it means it takes time and it takes a process for the community to be able to unpack something and i think references to main street or pool  unfolding quickly quite frankly are somewhat laughable we've been working on main street for ten plus years it's been a process that was in visioning for fifteen plus years from the pool perspective we've been engaged in replacement competitions for the last six years including active committee three it's not just our responsibility mine mine to make the right decision it's our responsibility to do it the right way i've been really proud of my time in serving you about the way we've made decisions and the way we've moved forward and the support that we've gotten back from the community because i feel like there's been support for the way that we've done that i have never been more disappointed than to sit here today and have a conversation about something where we have one of the public bodies in the school district on this issue that it represents so so in such a direct manner  that that to me is just one hundred percent completely unacceptable i'm also really disappointed the better sitting here today with not a single member of the new american community sitting in the audience but to my knowledge we've done nothing to interact with that portion of our community about this issue and especially about a number of the procedural items around that how we can best support this in the successful it's it's great to philosophically want something i want something here i would want to see this be accomplished it's another thing to have your ducks in a row from the operational legal structural perspective to know that you know what you're making a decision on and i don't feel like you've got enough time to do that from a technical perspective just the sub sections you want twenty four seven issues the definition of what the intent of residence what the intent of the residency definition looks that green card issue what documentation is going to be required for proof of residence your address the constitutional provisions the liability in court issues the process uncertainties that quite frankly i think of being called into this quickly as possible and i appreciate the presentation i think you could ask about a thousand more questions on that in that there are a number of holes on there that it's just not even fair to try to do right now and then the plain simple fact that we haven't reached out to a legislative body we have not reached out any way shape or form to the governor's office that i'm aware of or any of our senators we had one house of reps come in for one of the first meetings and give some thoughts so for me those are huge overarching concerns and you know i very much respect the idea of this is the right thing to do and therefore you should do  it and i think that that's a that's a great thing from a from a philosophical approach and perspective it's our job to make unpopular decisions sometimes to do the right way and to do it in the right manner for the community and i think we can give new city more time to do what it's always done which is route around the issue process it and come to as much of a consensus as we can as a community about what we can and can accept and it's good you nothing to do confidence in this body if we were to take that step and i think it's going to do nothing but create a better sense of goodwill in the community the people who are diametrically opposed to the on this issue you just philosophically are going on but at least if they can have comfort outside we are we are on local government here and we are not here to make i don't think that our citizenry alexis come here and try to address and deal with national issues on national crime lines we're going to try to do the best we can for the residents  the future i do think that this is something that is going to be right through new skete i'd like to see us take a step back set up a new timeline that includes doing all those things are just discussed in the thoughtful manner that looks at march and you know what i can even tell you that i think march is the right time line right now and i'm not trying to say that to make this an indefinite thing that goes on forever it's just we've been so full tilt gear on this time because your breath and think about ok now that we understand where the issues how long is this going to take and what kind of public really resonates with me and that was asking us to do what we think is right to build the community we want to live in and the community i want to live then brings people to the table to have a discussion about the pros and cons of the different points of view and create space for that and makes that ok for people to disagree and work it through and not sort of draw some lines in th sand that says this is the right way and if you if you're not with us then you're afraid or you're not willing to take a stand i think it's it's a complex issue it's a really important issue for many people living in this community and i do not think we've taken the time that we need to take to flesh that out think get people the space that they need to hear their concerns ask their questions have thoughtful and concrete responses not could o them that way so i would again and not philosophically opposed to all resident voting i am definitely opposed to moving a process forward without g voice to everybody that lives in this community and making sure that we are responding to their interests and in a really comprehensive and thoughtful way so i do not support moving forward with all resident voting on the at a time where we don't have all the answers but we have as many as we think we can get to let voters make a willful informed decision and after these last few meetings and the questions that we have  i don't currently feel like we have the information available to voters to make an informed decision this rapidly and bothers me too that we have a gauge the school district this idea of you know potential negative whatever the potential for negative reactions against certain green community and we haven't actually talked to them about that and how they feel about it bothers me we have  weeks to do any kind of engagement and i don't feel confident that that is enough time to get really need to be on this i definitely want us to continue  investigating this in bringing this to our voters but i also can't support a november time ok i just as a wind conversation on that i think there's a follow up of conversation as a result of this little girl or we will bring this issue back as war legal way my understanding historically in talking to people about this issue is that this had never had any kind of tenure or purpose in this community other than the quite frankly several little bit of a dispute as to whether that was intercepted a way to raise felt the need to clarify that other questions concerns comments from counsel i have a question of bounds legal review so the letter from unconstitutional it may very well be but i have a problem with just taking at face value a letter from an advocacy organization making statements about our ordinance without going through some sort of process on our end to vet those claims with an attorney i think it again to me it's about the process good process is not in the reader in receipt of a letter and a press release saying we're afoul of the constitution and we haven't taken any time or any steps on our end to verify some of those claims in addition to refuting the motivations that were alleged in the letter i think it's important to just make sure we're not just go sign off on something you know doing some homework on our end and i think for me it's less i'm in favor of repealing the ordinance passed because of that constitutional question and more just because from a value standpoint i don't support aggressive handling vans and if it there's no operational impact on the way we're currently doing our work in the city to me that's a no brainer and that if there are additional questions about potential constitutionality of that we looked at this and we changed it from panhandling in general to aggressive people and going in and what that change although it was subtle it was really for the really uncomfortable situations where somebody wasn't taking no for an answer and just really not being very polite about it and the reason we felt there was an important to keep it at the time was because we like to handle things locally here honestly and that gave us the ability to refer somebody to the city attorney for maybe a possible different outcome where the community just society get involved more we could refer to these people to services where they could do community service rather than a fine or jail time so that's why it made sense at the time we felt that it gave us a little bit more local control and some more creative ways to actually deal with the behavior and  up i'm trying not to i don't want to give too much information so we actually had a situation at one of the city functions not too long ago where somebody very aggressively was approaching our senior citizens demanding some of there being no money and saying you need to give me your way and when you're on the winnings and we felt there was more of there then the behavior that there might be some mental capacity issues  outreach team involved they went to the person's residence they spoke with them and they did speak of this ordinance and it stopped the behavior to correct the problem so it does have some value but it's not just you know what you what you think paneling is sometimes that falls into threatening to not use do you feel uncomfortable because of this person's behavior they could still refer back to the record or through the state process work i think is laws are c d c continues to exist in functional way they do it i think that the court isn't going to take up a lot of time in criminal court for this type of case  and what is aggressive you know i just think more of a deeper conversation can can really come of the different outcome so i think the question for the a murder a lot of technical concerns i think the one outstanding one is whether or not we invest any resources into guards to useless you know other grounds then that doesn't seem like a good use of our resources i'm not clear where folks are coming from the big thrust of the letter was citation after citation and case f so i think we're here and i think i can answer that human one i guess that's what we have in the side if it's you know if we think it's moot this exists but from the of perspective it doesn't sound like there's too much there we still we still respond in the same way we'd still offer the same services in the same way we we did you know get the community outreach team and all that that was appropriate the only thing that will that's just going back to the process so we get a letter we had a very brief discussion about it we don't have any thing in writing from the city staff about sort of the rationale it's all been a sort of discussion and i just i mean i think there's probably most of ordinances that we have on the books that we don't use  so i just i just feels like not very process to say you know some advocacy group doesn't like the fact that we have this ordinance on the books it's find it very problematic it seems like we're getting into terror and i guess this is our chance we need to take responsibility for our ordinance but we're we're we're having folks come to meetings or send us communications saying that we need to take a stand on this that or the other issue that has operational impacts you know if it doesn't have an operational impact you're all spending time and you're spending time in a meeting responding to requests from outside groups who have a point to make and i appreciate that there are points that need to be made but i guess i'm frustrated by the amount of time we're spending at this table on these types of issues when there are no record it impacts your residence and instead you know we've got a very ambitious housing agenda to get big things that we need to do stop talking register my frustration in that way so instead of twenty thousand we can ask for twenty two thousand and we have to do a magic minima ten percent but we get extra points if we do more than ten percent so i'm proposing a match of fifteen percent three thousand three hundred dollars and if we're awarded the ground i would come back with her class from c d c to service for the good that we would put the grant money to is to develop a comprehensive way trying sign with everything we said last year i think it's also awful which the only things that jumped out of me that i didn't like is pretty much section one point zero three in its entirety with the exception of number have concerns regarding some of the obligations this would place either in this book committees in commissions were recipients of funding organisation communities we believe that this needs to would be purging for me if we could teach in discussions of them to have them get that on their radar as a potential priority for all municipalities that when you know the state has you know it seems in their vein that they would  be in favor in many instances of the legislature adopting enabling legislation that provides more mobile control whether or not it is a problem was to do or not back fifty and one when he is the state are trying to promote development within our densely populated areas and keep our rural landscape or only in state and promote energy goals having people