approve the minutes of the regular council meeting of may twenty ninth two thousand and twelve second discussion or comment please hundred eighty five i do know that these had drilling ordinances for unconventional high pressure slick water hydraulic fracturing in plain act thirteen now that it's  lost as everybody knows strips are township just about everything it makes the permitted use instead of conditional years it eliminates our forty acre overlay map eccentric cetera ordinances in to have a preview you know like a review of ok does this meet the criteria or is a subject it looks like we have to amend it and then they say it how we've done it under just the local and local land use on examining grid but it's not the whole ordinance the whole ordinance i assume this is what i'm trying to figure out and i you know i'm calling your you guys are sure that we don't have to have the ordinance in because the way i am inside science well is an ordinance minus the zoning issue does it need to be in there by august taken from the count of courts refusal to modify the injunction to the supreme court have been argued yet nonetheless in disposing of the case i mean if the injunction were lifted i am sure that they would grant  be shortened but i'm sure that they would give us an opportunity to get our ordinances in place but mr johnson and still say in every article i read and it's thousands as we all now they say it's just in given the new act but for the injunction because we still retain conditional use control over this facility that otherwise would have been i think it doesn't look like i want to but that's when you already have an ordinance it doesn't look like you can send that ordinance to the piece a man made about if you can't like senate and then to say well you need to amend this or n between the woodlands clan and this plane however at a planning meeting in the very beginning there was no indication to the residents who came out to talk about the plan that that was going to be an issue there was an  e without any commentary related to having to make some modification to the sat so i think that that's not necessarily a good argument since that was something that was intended to be maintained the what at least plan must maintain a certain amount of woodlands that's the whole point of the woodland so really as far as other things related to this plant it was my understanding that there were other things that were talked about with the plant they're not before council right now but given what you've shown us on the landscape complained it doesn't seem as if any of those have been taken into consideration and i'm going to climb personally to especially in light of this this is where the wounds neighborhood is there's a stand of trees here that if we go to a fifty foot step back it was always made clear to them that there's trees that are up along the top of this slo recommended we go with a shorter set back one might apply in that location if you've got a qualified explanation to warrant consideration why the blanket address throughout the entire planning commission is part of this thirty five to step back came from the concrete to plan processes that we need to develop some flexibility in our development regulations as we move forward forward with development these properties that are remain under villa at this point are the tough ones to deal with their steep slopes adjacent to existing neighborhoods you have to have flexibility in your development guidelines to setback the houses are going to be up against the slip with zero gravity or one of the other alternative mr music is for them to reduce the number and a lot there are other ways picture is a really negative impact to the overall community there's already the other is just a residential development adjacent this has been approved for thirty five seven x people are buying homes in this community that they have no so when you look at that it's not it's not a main street it's not something that you see every day that everybody's drive by a pier township again it's just people that are moving into this community and i think in the except that then i'm not sure why the council would have or fifty and again when you're looking at within the development it's up to them obviously there's a market for this or that developer wouldn't be proposing or going after his development and pursuing it so again told that they're going to keep trees they come that close and they have to take your argument is and i have some skepticism as to what you're going to actually preserve well i mean they specifically dictates the composition of the board what we're proposing is to pretty much maintain the same board which consists of the same four planning commissioners that were originally commission has other members some of whom are more recent to the community have any of them expressed an interest in participating in the this or the comprehensive plan i mean are there for people who take some planning and saying they wanted to proceed with that and they'd like to have an agreement for the reading in june and so we quickly put together an agreement based on off and on prompted that concern i don't know but they were getting it from all the staff members big janitors the teachers administrators and they thought this might be a way to quell some of that concern i think there's some benefit to having our sort of school we've seen that from the dare program i think if we expand on that it could improve relations between the police department and kids of this community more i think there is a purpose to be served  better for the kids good to the of you put the right guy in that environment and i think you'll do a fantastic job to work with the school and with us as we've already seen from the one i'm sure there's been up there he's got a well it was all certain and you know i mean they were they were moving forward and i did hit the fan them yeah so we're a standstill at this point she can i ask a housekeeping couple housekeeping questions the officer who was assigned i understand is doing a good job is that something that you discretion like what if you decided to change him for next year because the school will have the opportunity to specifically ask for someone they to those we could have some issues with that some times because that officer we can't control when he takes his vacation so he decides to take some during the school year we have to try to accommodate that somehow unless you make them a condition of  environment is to be charged with assault which is a bunch of baloney let the let the kids grow up let their parents take care of them is not the police are involved every damn thing they shouldn't be but if the school or the assault takes place the school is going to call us or to be involved anyway understand  because you have a different job description for the day or officer sadly there have to be engines different job description for the school i would have to look at the training he's going to have i'm not sure you don hieron book say fifty five be found just a thought on this whole matter it's interesting that we suddenly need a police officer in the high school i know we're  where there's an abundance of drive by shootings the number of homicides that have occurred up there in the last week is just astounding but in reality let's face facts the school board wants a three point seven nine increase a mil increase in taxes how do you justify that kind of an increase maybe we have to hire a police officer for the children so get out there for the kids that kind of a crime ridden high school think maybe we ought to call out the national guard let's do that would ever be a lot better thank comes to my mind is what justification to school district here for spending seventy five thousand dollars a year for a police officer i'm sure there is one there would be useful because one of their issues for being with justification do you have to spend that money think you can make a suggestion can you do research study and look at the surrounding just the surrounding high school and the level of violence over the last even just minimal three or within the school district and by the police department if you do a study and see the increase in a significant percentage for the past three years then maybe that would help  probation officer i could read a petition and i knew where it came from ok especially peter thompson because what i was getting from peter's township was a lot of turfing kids turfing law and i got ma now boxes are over and i got may be one or two burglaries but it was kids burglarizing their own parent homes ok basically so i think for the general public  you're saying that there's these discussions in the school saying there may have concerns can that be put on the mike tonight what are some of these concerns what what behaviors are these people in the school seeing you know today in my profession i work in the ghettos in pittsburgh all right they got police officers they got metal detectors over there rightly so you go into those schools over there you're happy scared to death i want to know what are the behaviors occurring in peters township high school the other thing i used to get on petitions was some drunk violations ok now if you think you have a concern dry with by lesions your talk in good supervision within your schools to keep all the students say because that is one of the responsibilities this of the school too i should think to keep the students say so what are the behaviors that these people are seeing you know bullying is a concern that we have today that we didn't maybe have in the nature that we happen that's right it was different it was treated differently maybe you know it was allowed more what mr atkinson stands just let them beat each other up today we have parents who will sue you sooner than blink and not if you hurt their child know i don't agree i don't want to study either i'm just saying i think for you to make any kind of decision you need to know that simple fact what are the unless you do know and you just don't want to say on the air you know what are the behaviors your current what are point with that because at the end of the day if they want to buy a service from the township and we want to sell the service we don't need to know why it's really a business transaction when it comes to that from a resident perspective i last five or six years and talk about is the fact that in many of these tragic incident that if occurred in various locations around the country in the schools it has been investigations for that analysis of all those investigations determined that in every event someone else knew what was going to happen and they failed to come forward for whatever reason i don't know but there was always someone else in every case that knew what was going to take place and they failed to come forward and we can say that's a problem how kids are brought up could be but if there's a relationship in that organization write a letter thinks will be very much in order for him and also for action this is the representative from the thirty ninth district of stepped up to the plate and get into the fray also and help us so there's two multiple times that's more than you know some of it is they try to frame it so inexperienced person in their store they didn't care to get away with it they get caught the a slap and i would be opposed to doing insurance policy where we're going preparing to sit down with a very one of the things that we think would be beneficial in trying to get this moving and and come back to council with