it change the thoughts on what we're doing main but then i don't think that's all that principle so we're back to the fifteen which sort of drives this conversation instead of the right how many of them so they're doing that in that thinking you're better off keeping this trigger if you does one person aren't were saying if we did change the south side what would be the consequences of any talk of that and it broke and it seemed like if you changed it to village compared to commercial the impact on the uses wouldn't be that big of a difference but the impact on subdividing actually that would also not be the same in different  to turn it into village compared to commercial you wouldn't be able to put a slaughter house there you wouldn't be able to put fuel cells there you wouldn't be able to put  right you could put things in there that you could put in the village and if you looked at that table of uses currently there is not like a huge difference difference but there was some other reason we didn't want to use the term village there like front yard side yard grown from tree to requirements those dimensional standards are a little bit different between village and commercial and given what we are saying the other day that it's better off being drive way back to access to your fifty nine and one twenty six what about thirty and them thirty t to talk about you know trying to support the idea of pulling north main street through and coming out either added the existing curb have been jerry hill or at the new one for dollar general which would benefit  at some point and make the joke if you come down and it's something that large could go up in its place and that is why we would want to have i think some visual language similar to rich friends about what they look like in the district because there isn't that there aren't that many parcels that are undeveloped at this you know the rest it's a little bit of a moot point because there's not that many good character are we talking more about some i think circus part of the character of the with like is the building right up against the road or are there is there vegetation in front of it is it gigantic with no windows or very small yes but but but it but it can be part of character and character might actually be like a charged word because it implies a lot of  not make it feel like new jersey but we do for them that's in the high and that's thirty where we've got that throughout town except in those centers which allow for higher development in the front yard is i think that again all these little details setbacks all that stuff is a fine subject to talk about but those are all sort of the the defining details of what we think the purpose of this whole area of town should be and i don't think we're decided on that record right leg and i'm not advocating for one thing or the other i'm happy keeping it anyway but we've had we had messages from the  from the select board about like always saying we have to stop all retail because it's going to target the retail mecca or we have all the people that are turning what used to be a restaurant into housing you really want them turning it into housing you know we have they acknowledge it and well what about if you just started the very beginning and say why would you have this be a commercial district rather than a think there's something to be said for changing the south main street development into villages just sociological just so our map is logical like we say this is our commercial district and it's a neighborhood like it just doesn't make it to the drawing just doesn't make sense road and so when do you choose to use an overlay compared to a district like because i thought about that same thing like well maybe we need a group of fifteen nice view district my very good imagination and then and then the commercial was sort of behind that either on either side or one side or whatever so when to use an overlay when it's a district i think and i don't like tends to be sort of what you're zero eight over the notch is a by the way in one hundred through whatever waitsfield is a by way and you get money and economic development money and from the state and from the from the fads and but that seems like you have to coordinate across town doesn't have a but it basically seemed like that was a rich mechanism that gave you the thought process of the corridor management plan but one of the things you want to do with that is attract visitors and i wasn't really sure that that came through on our servers and so then i was thinking about that too forty x that it was a huge state purchased that for that purpose like that's really the  know we had we have some of the wildlife and we had this and by the time they got done with all the overlays the stuff thinking left it with everything was covered in no ninety percent was covered really want that but be all kinds of noise right i mean honestly that's not because there's nothing there right now it's a scene is past the rolling do you call it can produce that regard i mean even though like you i think it does it's sort of a density issue if you're driving and there's commercial construction and you know commercial buildings on both side of you on the road if it's a very different feel than if you've got ok this is a big storage building kind of not noticeable and hardware store and then nothing on the other side it still feels her feel but if you've got other buildings right across and from that so that's why i think that it's and you know that's why we know what what what is the view moving forward so what what do you want to see there if anything and then how do you how do you what's the catch phrase that we're going to put on that  potentially like instead of an overlay a narrow strip that there were instead of a route fifteen district that the line i don't know how the parcel take people from one place to forty nine to fifty three to twenty nine i don't know where to draw the line but those reports graded into village and then the machine shop wouldn't be right on group fifteen the machine shop would have to be down  parts then or maybe it doesn't maybe this is always but that's where you have your limitations so instead of having actually you know overlay it's like you know sort of like you have a step back it's not a step back it just says within one hundred feet you have to commercial has a fifty foot setback and villages of thirty k you give it to commercial you could put an auto sales locked there which would be a pretty good use of a long skinny line and if it's a village you can't think it would be nice to to not reinvent the wheel in the richmond just in terms of talking about the parking because i do think it's important in terms of how it feels when you're driving through that richmond gateway commercial district says that parking shall be located on the side of the rear of the building and  parking and they said it's it's the worst thing is to have minimum parking and they were asking all the towns to redecorate look at yeah because so much of the spaces on your own is so much of the time that it creates  service like really inefficient and looking for shared parking so that would be another reason why you would want retail retail retail retail this is everybody gets their own little parking spot whereas if you do it in the village center and you have a network of streets and all share parking and then if you have a daycare and a restaurant and you don't really compete for the parking and you can have much you can have a lot more parking little not less are we good examples of shared parking here where we was there one and you know there are differing stories there's a story that maybe one of the started in there was some one thing but then nothing was done with it but no one knows where it is and so maybe that's  so shall we start with the newly named residential district so your one one thing i just want to start i had a comment over here i know there was tossing around of what the the right name should be for this you know it's really not a cultural anymore makes you think low density right so just saying residential makes you think maybe that it's that's not enough information here but i think that's probably a good idea because president doesn't really say anything we're so so the purpose of the low density residential district is to provide for lead uses that are compatible with rural areas we want to say more than just really say and that doesn't say anything and again lot is when people have more land but they're in there doing like a little bit so farming like they have chickens or they have a garden or they have she or so there's kind of like a so what language are you suggesting i think we have struggled with this previous iterations of the planning commission because it just it's the in between thing you know we know that we want density buildings we know that we want open space to be open space and this is not one of the and because people can live the way they want to live so i don't think it's like a life style thing i think it's a density thing yeah so the issue is that you want larger lots with eureka you know you would agree it doesn't say much and in this district creates a transition somehow we need to describe really what that transition has i guess the last here so that's saying man's low density right residential development maybe somehow and here you put you in this would be true then for so do we want to leave that last sentence so so just may be appropriate period are other there are commercial uses that are allowed so i think you need to talk about maybe some kind of reference some yankel skills or some maybe just in the sentence after appropriate gateway in the middle of the commercial six one of the other but you're trying to segregate those two but it will be more definition  yeah i mean this this is short makes sense i mean my problem and leaving it the way it is it doesn't make sense so if you're talking about seven both sides of the road light just real trucks heavy equipment and it's a it's a residential neighborhood just it doesn't it doesn't make any sense to say the primary purpose is to provide employed opportunities when it's a neighborhood if you want and it's a neighborhood half of the commercial district is a residential neighborhood if we leave it the way  was not an issue now because that's not what we're right out but but if but if we're not changing it then then this need to talk about that has a residential neighborhood and ready to be accurate but i do think it's a good time to talk about this gateway philosophy right that we want this cord or whether it's a bi way or not we want to have that that that structure correct i think we do i think i think it's a red i think it's a sensible approach something w and that for better or works well that i hear you say that secretary of the i mean if if we come up with the right plan then we talk about how to implement and that's what that becomes yeah it's a little yeah i mean i can i mean they felt yes or even village given that village allows commercializing were getting mixed up because of the terminology delay and allows commercial village center allows commercial because fifteen twenty thousand square i think in the village center you have three of them and i think in some senses they're not the same if they're not then i you know i think riverside is its own riverside out on its own and while they're here so this is definitely our i mean jericho corners has all sorts of topography limitations so there isn't that much that can be done that that's not really i would prefer to say what what those differences fall in some of this goes back to that discussion that you all have last time about that the caricature of the area wanting to put some of that language in all of these districts which we haven't talked about so so this is the template and saying here's what we have but also here's what we want to sell you know do we want jericho center to stay as it is versus riverside no this area they're at their desk limitations too but this area has a lease water service right i mean we we do say that the last paragraph growth opportunities may be more limited in jericho center which lets a public water supply is not situated on the state highway i mean maybe it makes sense to start the section with language that whatever language applies to all three and then as you said phil has you know talk about each one some consistency across the three village centers but recognizing that each of them has certain unique characteristics that contribute to their own unique character and does that good yes ok so now fast forward you know eight years riverside is fabulously successful it has outdoor cafes it has a senior citizens place whatever do we also in vision we want that to be in jericho they have different setbacks they have some different uses right you know for me it's code tells you what things should look like the other has no mention about what it should look like except for you know your general village and i don't even know if that should be in the village center center district along raceway and valleys thank i just i haven't spent tons of time so why but what about if we did this thing we actually made a separate district this is a list of districts right so we have a totally separate district called village center district blah blah blah form is code and then the the three village centers including this sort of outlying piece and then our to do is really to kind of compare and contrast and reconcile the differences and decide where it belongs not right this minute but at some you know as once we get this plan done if we really want to make changes to those i don't  something that was a quarter acre and suddenly make it make or even there to get it hasn't been quarter acre for that last year you're taking away development opportunities even though there's a brand new opportunities it's still below liberty there is like a square piece there down yeah what's that why it was that line i think that's a property line but i don't know why they didn't make it and i think there's reasons i think that the consultant said this is the area this makes sense i think we need i mean for me i would need to look at sort of the way we've looked at the commercial like look at what's there and why the let you know what it is and why so next meeting do you have t timeline could you bring that i haven't four so would it make sense to stem the first half of the meeting at least the lead use the commercial in the village districts and then see if i'm right there thing so we were thinking maybe that there could be a joint meeting and that the way i work for the psych ward i think it was like a twenty minute presentation and there was time for question answer so i did my forty five minutes were allowed so if the resident the presidential situation either the campaign is a talk about you know change is owning our reference it and i think that might help writing that in a paragraph might help just t i've read the transportation plug i'm basing it on that but i agree that does make sense that you guys would have a better feel for it