selectman tom computer of evening evening tom and of course tony ministre to patrice garvan and a cast of others which we'll be getting to later so community announcements committee appointments are open now there's a new online portal where you can upload your resume fill out the form to apply to volunteer to one of our many committees in town belmont applications will be taken till july ninth at which point this like and will be starting to make the point as to the committees so please volunteer get your friends and other people who you know who are interested in being on a committee who you think would be good for a committee to volunteer there are committees or all sorts of subjects so we can certainly use expertise of his belmont relies on its volunteers secondly belmont drives electric june twenty fourth at generally middle school or you can test drive and see electric vehicles to see if one is right for you also save the date for july seventeenth there will be a training by town council on the open meeting law and the recent decisions that have come down for both four committee members in town and others in town who just happen to be interested in the open meeting on so again that is we don't have a place and we don't have a time but you can save the date for july seventeenth for open meeting law training by town council so any other community nonsense from anybody else no ok we're going to go a little bit out of order because there are two people who are not here for the first two items and just  will take thirty seconds but sorry parties i treasure this because the people i work with are amazing both across the state and in belmont and i hope everyone recognizes how hard all of our employees are working on just my those are for those who don't know ellen was one the town clerk of the year for massachusetts this year got that lovely lovely plaque there last week and i want to thank thank allen for all the work that she does know department does you said i mean they the changes that have happened since you joined in bringing the clerk's office to the twenty first century the electronic town meeting voting and digitizing the public records in the open meeting a lot of changes and all the public records changes and keeping up with multiple elections is just so much what you're concerned about the issues within the community particularly with some of the residents so appreciate the input and feedback that you provided to me over the past eight years and graduations is well deserved and i will just thank allen as well i think my interaction with you over the years has been a lot of education about the editorial process and i think for myself and many others you've done a wonderful job of helping us realize not only sort of what is possible but how we stay within the bounds of  nominal amount of work and they're extremely highly qualified and for reappointing them it's licensed c p a s and their their experience in the private sector in the public sector it's just been fantastic and bob's work on the light board advisory committee as well and we have a bunch of these other appointments matters coming up and as i said earlier applications are due july ninth i guess the question is whether the board wants to entertain making any of these appointments tonight or whether you want to wait till the i should know when you go on the website now to see to apply for being on a committee there is a list of all the committees that have vacancies and a list of all the committees where there are peoples whose terms are up so you can see you know which type of appointment motion move to accept jenny what was the x resignation from the energy committee want to thank her for a service second i was in favor you know i know that we have some some application here  to go in the energy committee but i think it might be best if we unless roger unless you feel like there is a bit we need to you know you have to wait ok he's shaking his head no stuff just for the public so the where we are meeting in july so  after july ninth we are meeting with the july thirtieth i believe so at our july thirtieth meeting we can we're going to start to take up the applications and receive that we're due july ninth and that probably will be a several meeting process over the summer because there are a lot of committees and appointments to be made but we will move our way through them so please apply second would be human rights commission new member discussion and possible appointment anthony morrow so resignation this is another situation there are some applicants who are here in the packet who have already applied against one of those things i'd like to see july ninth to get the full field of people who've applied and we can choose who we feel and with that we accept  the work she does on the capital budget committee so it's always been amazing to me that she serves on multiple committees anyway and i can understand how it's it's tough to do all of that and sort of focus down especially as the building committees are going to get going now the town meetings approved  that it would be fine and there's just a put out there's no requirement under the law that a community capital budget committee person be on the committee the c p c but it is has proven useful so it might be worth if their capital budget committee folks out there looking to be appointed that would be something to think of think about i would also i would think about it sanderson as well right because if he's stepping off the planning board he would also step off the from the community preservation committee in the marina thank you for your great service on that committee for in the years because i regret it regrettably second regrettably call for a vote on this all those in favor mean i think emery might have been for a founding member of the committee were yeah yeah they run the very first you've been on for its entire history so it's incredible thank you for doing that again anyone out there is we go through these if you're interested these we've been ongoing with that project to have committee chairs come in and share their ideas with us and hear what's going on in their committee but jim can't make it tonight so that will be off the agenda ok the i'm going back up to the top there meeting our demonstration remote this is that we've talked about whether to have a set something up technologically and this came out of the information technology advisory committee to allow people to participate in committee meetings not not just here but all committees in the town to participate remotely if they're not in town and still participate in the meeting you would have to have for instance a quorum still physically present in the room but this would enable someone at least to weigh in and this device actually apparently allows for audio visual  ability to do that in their thinking was maybe to set it up in a particular room in town hall and that would be the if if a committee were to have someone remotely wanted to have that person participate remotely then that meeting would be the designated meeting room for that and then the device whether it's this or something else would be set up there and paul i'm stalling for time but yes but paul ok paul roberts i mean you all roberts made that suggestion from the on the i tack committees that he chairs and we thought that was something i think you're he likes i think we talked about this before so we think as we understand from town council the board would have to sort of approve this type of participation renaud not it would have to come up with a rule that applies to all committees including the board right w could be there but they probably could have dialed in and so that would would have been helpful you know or other committees that serve you know maybe even the working listening in i think it's a productive be a productive thing for folks and we want to say we want to see it and so paul roberts said that  then you'll be on the lights in the camera hangouts invited the community and i must say we haven't had tremendous pick up on that but we've got it made them public i've tried promoting it on facebook and next door just to say we've got an idea advisory committee meeting here's one a second place here's a link if you want to participate via google hangouts you can do that and you know the problem is you get a webcam with kind of you know a top down on the table view we get good sound quality but you can't always necessarily tell who's speaking so i got hip to the meeting our i can't even remember how and found out that actually one of our own and here in belmont worked it all labs and so amy came in and demo this for us to see give us a sense of what would this same online experience look like with a different piece of hardware so what i've done is i just set up so i set up a google hangout and this is just using google hangouts which is free software so no cost for tonight's meeting and i'm now going in to go live so we can streaming this live and you can see broadcast here and so now we're going to go live and actually in the resolution is phenomenal i mean it's really good picture what you're going to see is really really cool stuff about the meeting our all is that small resolution on this is really good and one thing is we've actually got to viewers something to see if i can get them i remember something i attack or checking this out but the thing is really interesting that it flattens the picture out so it looks like a certain this isn't our usual digs so this is we usually have a larger table so it could be further away from us we're just and it could be more in the town hall lot of torreon which is not our typical meeting hall and the other  expose a much broader swath of our town government have a video record of it so when this finishes it will be a youtube video that people can go and view at any time via the i t advisory committee you tube channel right so would have all of these meetings catalogued on you tube and that the challenge is a couple things one is really just the technical challenge of how do you you know not everybody is a technology native who are on these committees so how do you make it easy simple for them to set this up so they're not fumbling around and wasting time and being in a meeting just trying to get the tech so it's kind of why i liked this particular solution and i think the x the other thing is for the people who might be joining remotely how do you make that experience for them almost like they're at the table or in the room so it's not just this you know thirteen foot webcam view down on a table that's just not that hard to walk and it's hard to figure out who's talking so this kind of solve that problem as well so that's kind of why i brought it to you guys and said this might be a really interesting thing to pursue as a town at a visibility by me standard i love it i think it is rated sort of if you were imagine you know here we had to select things meeting on monday or what have you there right now there are a lot of people who actually watch on belmont cable but imagine also that you could say hey here's the link to the meeting we had last night you know check out the conversation at the twenty third minute where we're talking about this and you could put that in a link shared on facebook shared on next door and shared on the town's website and it just becomes a way to bring make all of that much more itself civil there are issues around obviously open meeting law and and whether you want to allow committee members to deliberate remotely whether you want to or just allow committee can decide whether they want to partake or not is the other question be this how does that will this impact the ability of like the public to speak to us or is there any of the villa believe that through this device so were all of these players and that's what i'm kind of going to do right now is there's one thing the public you know coming down on a monday night and they want to speak to us and to the community comment you know section of the of the agenda it's one thing to drag out a babysitter ever have to come down here is a hassle i understand that sort of make it easier for the public to make their comments to us provided there was a way to secure it so you don't get you know factor problems like that is a little different from one of us not being here and participating remotely  generally schedule our meetings together so it rarely happens that one of us isn't here because we wouldn't schedule the meeting for that day or one of us was going to make it but it is a place of office hours that would be an interesting experiment on the part species question i think th t the short answer is that all of these platforms including google hangouts even are not utilizing right now allow the public who participate virtually raise their hand ad to speak to you and hear you as well as to your chat and text comments as well and you know when one of the concerns is well what if you are trolls or what if people are on there posting you know obscene images or whatever you know you're letting the internet and god knows what will happen what i would say is all of these platforms including just a free platform like google hangouts give that give the people running the meeting basically total control over the terms under which people can artists a paid a view that he to boot people out of the meeting new people make them keep track of the committees and see who say you can set it like you said i think one of your ideas i heard you say one of the means was that you perhaps you just the death rate in a fire room within the town buildings that you know which sure that is the so thank you dave pear on the i t director for the town it's a great device and the whole concept is a really neat concept we need to discuss how we're going to do this and set policy and so  out first of all on the technical side and you can take an m p four and download it but it's not considered an archived file there's a lot of things that you've got to do to make sure that that's not tampered with for example our e mail records when our e mail comes into our system it's automatically sent to our archive or first and it's converted to a file that can't be manipulated in any way so we can actually go to court with that file and they will accept that as a record and as an on temple record so there's an issue with saving these videos also to have the town clerk's office be responsible for itek members that were on i don't know too many committee members or committee chairs that could just sit there plug in the laptop and you know everything rolling without some assistance and that's another issue so again it's a great thing great idea and i'm all for it i'm all for from openness patient let's you know we've got to do this thing is the twenty first century right the only thing is that we've got to we've got to work this out and get our policies and procedures in place first rather than just say hey let's do this now you know we were not adopting it well first of all this is just a demo because we did we've talked about this and paul and so kindly said that actually we have a bomb on resident involved in this company which is does exactly what we were thinking of doing so would be good to do a demo and then we'll take it from there and i'm and to start these questions obviously we have to create a policy first we're well aware of that and we have to run it by council because this is different are you aware of other like governmental entities that use this for public meetings as with the introduction of any new technology e mail you know what have you but web page it in genders need for policies and procedures to accommodate  the question is always that the board should be asking is and in a situation where there is no upside for the community then those are those might be stoppers but in the situation where there's a huge upside it's really about as they've said coming into the twenty first century embracing people and meeting our citizens where they are online at work on their mobile device on their computers there's a huge upside for this community in terms of level of engagement information knowledge about what's going on so the you know the adjustments are going to be made what format is good to store the video in who's the keeper of the owls and how do we you know apportion alza out to various committee members how do we facilitate a tech not technology liaison whether that would be a belmont high school student or you know volunteer from within the community who can come in and help them troubleshoot setting up the a need help those are all very solvable problems in these big scheme of things with a very big upside for the community so i would say you know yes of course and obviously the  the the open meeting laws i mean i know i know because i've looked into it that absolutely the stay at the state level there are allowed to i know that the secretary of state and the a absolutely support governments going online and having online meetings and allowing all my participation including by committee members but they're also out they also asked towns to make that determination right right so you know what i would say is again change is hard doing things differently is always hard but there is i think in this case and it's been hard on the i t advisory committee to go from having meetings where it's just dust in the room and more or less unless you're in the room where it happened you know everything's more or less confidential in that there's nobody from the public there sly as with you guys you have the whole town watching every meeting that something leaks with every committee it's not an easy transition to say as dave would say i'm going to stream this we're go doing this online and the public can see and hear every word that we say that's difficult adjustment but i think it's a really important one and i think it's a really important place for this community to go and it does bring us into the twenty  store or of a lot of our records and so dave has articulate a couple of issues but in reality the biggest question for the board exclusively really the board is do you want to pursue remote participation i think the answer i'm seeing and i think a lot of people will say yes what's the best method for belmont and then how do we make that consistent with the laws that already exist in com while so and likewise the technology so i'm not sure that i have the solution yet i like the owl i think it's very cool but i'm not sure that we're ready quite yet to make that list that decision i think you all are on board with that as well so let me know i'll be happy to participate any time thank you thank you i'm pretty sure it's also worth noting the question around remote participation is does not have to turn on the selection of a pope of cross of course you know we could decide all participation is something we want to enable and it can be done to standard view so they're related topics but they're not necessary well this is pretty cool the video presentations they don't have to do this video conferencing if they don't want to because it's just if we make it available to us we have to make it available to everybody that really appreciate you guys thank you making this part of your meeting no my name is timothy flood i'm a belmont resident and an owner of east coast chippies a locksmith company a specializes in automotive keys i am here this evening to provide my experience thus far and with opening a small business and all mine i recently moved my business from arlington where i had a storefront for eight years to four fifty eight propeller road i naturally plan to utilize this location primarily for storage as it was used previously as it was used by the previous tenant my longer term goal is to renovate the space to include a compliant bathroom provide a retail space with a waiting area for customers and use a garage bay to allow to service customers during the winter because of community development provided me with the opening a new business procedures and permits document and told me to submit a blank building permit and pay the fee in order to obtain an occupancy permit even though no construction will occur after learning of my long term plans for the space i was told instead to submit stamped plans and later to provide renderings of the interior i was also told that without stamp plans and drawings of the proposed future changes i would not be granted an occupancy permit for the storage now although i'm not sure how how i will modify the space for my business to accommodate this request i have reviewed this project with various contractors plumbers electricians and engineer and in attempt to develop these construction documents know they won't be implemented for at least a year unfortunately i have yet to find a contractor who is willing to work in belmont i will refrain from sharing some of them will call foul language but the message is clear it would be a waste of time and money for them to work in belmont on a commercial property for a small project since i have not been able to develop stamped drawings in renderings i simply submitted the blank permit and fee and i am now able to say that the occupancy was approved on friday i will admit i have been frustrated by this process as a belmont resident i am concerned i want don't want to support growing local businesses will become involved with the community i am concerned that we will continue to see empty storefronts with out new businesses wanting to fill them because of the process i am going through limit limited dialogue between community development staff directly with business owners in part due to their limited office hours and three on willingness of local contractors to work on commercial buildings in town especially on smaller projects i now understand this like many are considering establishing a committee to evaluate issues related to opening a new business in town i believe belmont needs this committee thank you very much for your time and give your comments preacher to the so the first is for the public the reason we're up on the stage is not that we have any particular desire to be dancing up here or is that we were down on the floor there are feedback issues with the sound so we have become of here so it could be heard that contractors in town aren't willing to work here and i think that glenn has a very clear and explicit process that he explains to folks that come to town about that so i just want to make that comment appreciate the comments from the and from the individual but i certainly don't think we should just lens department takes one more responsibility within this community from a regulation perspective i think it was really doing you know a stellar job as the chair glenn clancy director of media development there was a lot that i heard from the gentleman that i don't last item is before we get a pm just as a program you know we're going to be having the public forum on post closure use of the former incinerator site which i hope that's what the crowd is here for although traffic advisory committee recommendations is coming out and even though it is not related exclusively to the high school it ok so mr chair glenn clancy director of community development there is one matter that the traffic advisory committee or that gets submitted a recommendation on that is not related to the high school so i think we could at least discuss that and you can decide how you want to act on that one this one is related to the parking permit issue in question square yeah you may recall that about a month ago a couple of merchants appeared before you with some concerns about the parking permit fee in the fact that the municipal parking lot in question square was not available for that matter yet and so it was decided at that point to direct the issue to the traffic advisory committee with the idea of coming up with some recommended policy and a policy that would extend to belmont ok so here is the recommendation in cases where the municipal parking lot is not available for at least thirty days permits will be provided subject to the current capping limit at no charge the monthly fee will remain waived until the lot is available further permit holders will be allowed to park unrestricted in designated to our restricted areas exact locations to be determined by the belmont police department they're still paying the permits for those who want to retain their permits yes they are other i should let the board be aware that as at last count only three permits have been purchased for question square so the employees in the merchants have stopped purchasing permits  january so every month is an average afford for apartments that get pulled a month on a question square which as i indicated to you in my email on friday it's about seven hundred dollars and that's when you have collected  he had a previous engagement he had heard about the tax recommendation and he it's just to me that there is there is still a cost involved to the process that permit and he felt  thankful and having a permit provides what benefit if there's a lot it allows them to park all day in areas on the residential streets pace and road puffery road that are currently signed for two hour parking on businesses on this particular issue and i was very appreciative of the tech committee and their recommendation to have the permit put to zero dollars and i i know that this is sort of an overall this has to be looked at town wide and not cushing specific and i guess i'm here to say you know we we need to support the businesses and coaching square while they have just been through a lot with the development that didn't happen for many years  happening they miss a lot's gone but i do understand that this has to be looked at a town wide and if there is still there's still a way that the town has to pay to i mean we have to go get these permits right they're saying they still want  to go obtain them for the window so that the residents and everybody know that we are business owners and employees parking there so even in my mind thirty dollars would be fantastic as well and it would just show good well towards the business owners and everything and i do appreciate and that's not something that the tac really spoke about in terms of it still cost the town for us to go fill out the form you know obtain it so whatever you're willing to do for us is is terrific and i appreciate it and you know take that back to the businesses and let them know i thank you much you know i preach at the the spirit of compromise on everybody's part and i think that kind of splits the difference and provide some relief because in fact you're not getting your you were you're paying the same so you have a musical parking lot when in fact you don't right i mean that's what the original argument was we pay sixty dollars a month for nothing you know we still have to hunt around for a parking spot in some of the residents aren't happy that we're parking on this it's but we don't have another option now but on the other hand the town still has to administer it so i do get that there's zero to us would be in that we don't lose money if we lowered it down to zero and i think it's my job going forward whatever we decide to work with the businesses so that they go get the permits because they're not getting the permits and it's you know we do have residents that are upset that they see a car parked out there all day long and if we have the permit in the winter the police sent a letter round and that was great because i think the residents now are aware that we have to share the streets right while there's not a lot so i think that some of the you know this we got some complaints from the residents about the business people parking there and they weren't aware of the fact that this was just because the municipal law has gone in and i think that the lack of communication was part of the problem glad to hear that that resolved but yeah it's definitely a way and i think ok so this these are traffic advisory committee recommendations that came out of their meeting on thursday and i related to high school traffic issues there is one recommendation that requires a board vote and i'm going to read that recommendation right now if that's ok because that a feasibility study be made for the placement of a temporary traffic signal to be located at the intersection of godin street and concord avenue should said study find it feasible to install temporary traffic signals the installation will be placed for a but one of the residents suggested a view that the at the offset here there could be an entrance there and i think that you know bills evolve suggested that maybe they can make that work or are we we need to look at that and i'm beating around the bush a little bit by saying if we are going to pursue but in fact this morning we were presented an idea that had some elements i think that weren't previously considered yeah and so given the fluidity of this entire conversation i don't think that's entirely inappropriate the timing of all of this feasibility study to let the b s e group take a look at the possibility of placing it what is it going to cost how effective will it be given the restrictions we have all fair right now of you know a planted center island you know with a roadway we  we're not in a position to start removing islands and really start doing some crazy things out there to accommodate a certain configuration in a temporary setting we're really looking to set signals up temporarily so i want them to look at it and determine that if we were to take that final step of installing temporary signals that it's going to be meaningful for us we're really not there yet so i think on a parallel track while they're looking at that i think we can flesh out some of these other ideas and if we get to a point in history say at the end of the summer where we decide you know what there's some merit in looking in another direction and maybe we defer a temporary signal experiment for a while i think we have the bill this is do we have a motion just to move forward with the feasibility study does it also suggest that the i think it was a good healthy dialogue one of things that has become evident both in that conversation as well as another number the other conversations i've seen as a participant in high school building committee process is that there's a number of solutions that are proposed including golden as well as ideas that would involve changes to school policies around bussing ideas that had been proposed that would change traffic patterns in other parts beyond other parts of the town beyond just go  members that we put together a working group specifically to try to address this question of traffic around golden that would include perhaps a membership to be fully defined but i think it would include representatives of the board selectman school committee community membership i don't even read that call the ok but i do think a working group that sort of comes together to evaluate make specific recommendations would make some sense like that idea a lot of time how we go about w working group as well as work conditions i participate it's do i have a second on that second of every thank you so just to continue on the you need a vote on the right so yeah here's absolutely so and no matter if you pick up that's the sort of notion that a second time on that second of favor then quickly get just a follow up in that vein so that the traffic advisory committee also voted to continue studying drop off and pick up options on concord haven't you and you continue working with the school department on possibly adding additional bus service to help alleviate some traffic to and from my school site and how this to it ties back into tom's idea of a committee bill of all of made this point this morning in the meeting that we had you know these issues are starting to cross over into different domains or jurisdictions whatever term you choose so the the planning board for example is looking at dropoff issues off the  site the school department obviously in the superintendent have a hand in bussing in questions about bussing and so that's why i think the idea here is a great one because there's all these elements will be together and as these discussions come up you just look at it in the context of this working group that we've just established you know i think they will continue to look at it and i think i think there will be a participant in the group and they'll bring those efforts to the entire group ok i think that makes sense i mean i don't think you know we don't want to run parallel tracks here and have attack meant we give recommendations and perhaps to work like yeah no no no and i think that i think how i see tack in myself is the town engineer what i see us doing is sort of developing some ideas that we can bring to this full working  and say hey what do you think about this i mean this seems to be addressing a particular need how do you feel you know that that kind of a collaborative decision making process ok that makes sense and the further it would that's it and he and i think brief question or comment from anyone in the audience but then we need to move forward with the  related to the post closure use of the former incinerator site about ten minutes behind schedule welcome back to the june eighteenth two thousand and eighteen belmont board of selectmen meeting we're going to be talking about the last item on our agenda which is the main item on our agenda discussion related to post closure use of the the former incinerator site which is the public forum to get comment on it let me just layout feel a little bit of intro in the format and then i'll turn it over to mr clancy here the format is we're going to have an explanation as to the situation and history of the site so we all know what we're talking about there we're going to have to presentations of two options to start with because rather than have people speak and then have presentations and have you speak in the first people speak won't have had a chance to respond to the presentations so we get that all out of the way the two presentations on two ideas they were going to open it up to the public for comment the purpose of the meetings to create a list of possible uses we have a white piece of paper here and we're going to start writing down ideas as they come up  ideas to create a close list of closed universe of uses for the site and then we can start exploring them in chipping away at them we're not making decisions tonight we're getting input tonight from all of you i would encourage any anyone and everyone to speak regarding any ideas they have for the site and to respectfully if they had the pros and cons and other ideas you know feel free to express those as well just know that no decisions have been made on this issue the board of selectmen is keeping an open mind on this i would ask everyone else to i know people may have come in with a specific use in mind but also please listen to the other uses because you might find that you might find some interest in those as well with the goal here is to ultimately end up with a use at the end of this process not tonight but eventually choose a use design the cap for that use build the cap do the use that's the general way this is going to probably work to caviar that one is it will take some time to get to that point because the incinerator sites going to at least be used for lay down for some capital projects in the meantime so you're talking maybe a number of years before we can get to that point secondly we can't do ever thing on the site it's a finite amount of land so clearly we're going to get more ideas than we can do and not everybody's going to get necessarily what they want but we will come up with what we can i hope that everyone can just keep in mind what's best for the town of belmont and the people and keep in mind also the cost of doing these things that you suggest  cost of construction but also the cost of maintenance and ongoing operation without a turnover charge director of community development glen clancy but thank you adams can everyone hear me ok hello everyone i'm going to start with a presentation that's going to give a brief overview of the site and some of the history of the site so the site is comprised of two separate parcels that total approximately twenty five acres an area the landfill historically was used for the disposal of ash from an incinerator that was active on the site for many  years the front parcel we call is the one that required the ownership transfer from the commonwealth that process has been completed many of you are familiar if you tommy the members you've heard a lot about that process ultimately  deed that was turned over to the town of belmont contained a restriction that states that future use is to be restricted to recreation public works or other municipal uses we identify the the two parcels we actually break the front possible into two subsections what we call a and b and i'll show you that on a graphic in a moment the a m b parcels which was the land that was subject to the land transfer from the commonwealth has fifteen point six acres is approximately one point six acres that are wetlands which leaves a usable area of about fourteen acres area c which is a parcel that's in the back was always town owned the area of that parcel is nine point four acres six point four of that site is wetlands that leaves only three acres of usable area on that back parcel so if you look at the graphic up here and there were handouts on the table i hope some of you were able to grab them on the way and described earlier this back parcel here is what we've heard to his area seeing many of you may be aware that in this location right here was with the town is currently doing leaf composting the incinerator building is located in this it's so area a which is the parcel back here this triangle shape he has an existing clay soil cap over the entire ashfield area this was an effort that the town undertook back in the early one nine hundred eighty s given the amount of time that has passed in some concerns with the integrity of that clay  recognizing we're expecting that there's going to have to be an augmented cap placed over that that area certainly nothing to the extent of what will be required an area be which is that for an area area period choir's a final cap layer above the ash landfill this is the area as i said that front portion that we tend to focus on when we think about post closure use because of its large area that is the area that's going to require the cap the  to require we grading there's something so much fill added to that area that in order for us to entertain capping that site and using if a post closure there's going to have to be some regrading of that area area sea area on the parcel that the town has always own to the area where leaf composting is currently occurring was not historically used as a landfill and we are today operating under the assumption that no cap will be required for area c so he's going to back up real quick and do this one more time here's area will be you know some minor capping area b which is going to require the full cap and then area c requires no ca so the the topic of post closure use has been one that we've entertained off and on for several years now there was at one time a public meeting that was held at the cherry middle school this is probably going back five years ago now lot of people came to the unit to express some ideas for the post close use it was shortly after that that we realised that there was an ownership question with the parcel and then all the post closure conversations just go back bernard until the ownership issue was addressed but we have compiled a list of ideas that we have heard over the years and i'm going just going to run down them real quick so always in the context of any post closure  use the town recognizes that public works is going to need some pop up piece of that property to do some of the business the tanyard office the street is just not large enough to accommodate some of the uses that they are required to do in the course of their business and so there is a bin system that has been designed that will allow public works to maintain some uses on that site beyond that ideas that have been expressed are passive use open space recreational fields so so photovoltaic park and ride lot and ice rink private commercial development police station public works in a rover digester is the most recent one i should point out that recognizing the restrictions that have placed on the site by d k m with the transfer of the possible from the state to town some of these ideas that were expressed previously on are ones that we can no longer pursue because we are bound to that requirement that it be municipal use so a park and ride lots probably out of the question no private commercial development probably out of the question as well i think the rest of them up probably go obviously police station we have a that already so that's that's something that we don't have to pursue and we did a valuation on the public works facility when the idea was for a series of relocating up there and what we found was based on the feasibility study that was done for the public works and no one the size of the site that's usable up there at the transfer station that the two uses didn't co exist the public works needs a larger area of land than what the transfer station site can provide and so that once probably a non soak so i mentioned public works needs to have a presence up there so we we have a list of items that public works wants to be able to continue doing up on that site or at least have the ability to do on that site i'll just run them down real quick leaving yard waste composting i general construction material storage this is sort of a lay down area for crews that may be working in town hired by public works a place to put pipes in other construction materials storage of excess construction soils if you think of a water i want to maybe place in project for example when the excavate comes out of the hole and it's not suitable for back fill there needs to be a place to bring that material and the incinerator site would be a place to do that  urgencies no disposal area temporary tree and brush storage areas i mean these are both obviously related to storm advance and give public works the ability to to remove move snow and trees and brush off the residential roadways and commercial areas and bring it up to the transfer station where it can be properly process and removed asphalt and concrete storage once again you know what i mean replacement you cut the street you have the asphalt when you bring that asphalt material you bring it up to the transfer station and put it in a recycle bin so that it can be stockpiled and eventually removed from the site temporary street sweepings same thing a temporary staging next presentation we have is from travis frank who took the trouble to actually put slides together so i think we're going to give him the honor of going first thinking separately and then we realized our ideas would be pretty good together other members include roger colton and martin and were already here so what it is is a really interesting planets about recreation and nature for now and for future generations and we think this is a really unique plan because it actually focuses on three elements that some of the other ideas don't but we also just really think it's innovative so it actually is recreation for all ages by having a bike in skate park and  without is in just a second to help the environment today because it is clean it up and working with the nature that's already there but also helps environment for tomorrow and for those future generations because we're going to have solar on site so we'll reduce our emissions help the  town reach its climate action plan but also prevent future climate change to keep all of the nature in the area better in the future and it is also provides economic benefits to the town by having solar p v we actually help them out lights and we can produce energy which we'll talk about in just a second about how that benefits so one of the first main points is that if you just look on a map this is sort of all of this in centers out of course the star we have rock meadow over here and we have beaverbrook north and the important thing here is that a lot of green may not show up particular green in this with this project there but that's a lot of green and that's showing that there's a lot of nature around it so we feel that whatever the proposal should be is it should fit in within the natural environment that's around it and our proposal will go into this in more details but really focuses on building in parcel b that bigger area focuses on building a right thank you travis thank you thank you all for being here today so again i just part of the key of this incinerator site to us is the context and so i wanted to just highlight one more time the context of the incinerators site in relation to the surrounding area and so here what i'm showing at the western greenway with the incinerator parcel right here and i hope that every one of you can see is that the incinerator parcel is right in the middle of the western greenway which is a very heavily you have the traffic set of network trail networks that connect surrounding communities of philmont and so as we move forward with the deciding on post closure use for the incinerator site you know i think we have tried to keep context at the forefront of our thoughts and i hope that the town also keeps the context of this incinerator site at the forefront of our thoughts and so given the context of the site in the middle of conservation land what can be proposed that would both and hance the surrounding conservation land but also provide for independent and unique active for creation in town and so what we thought  is the idea of the bike and skate park so i'll start with the skate park because i think probably most of you're quite familiar with the skate park so the skate park nowaday the now adays the only thing that i'll mention is that they're no longer just for skateboards so if you roller blade if you scooter if you bike they're generally all wheels and all are welcome to come and have fun so one of the things about skate parks is that they tend to be on hard surfaces which distinguishes them from bike parks so by parks are going to be on natural surface terrain but very similar to skate parks same idea so you're going to have a hard packed dirt that's shaped into berms into obstacles into turns and small rolling hills and jumps that the entire family can enjoy so this is something that all the way from the youngest children learning how to ride on a balance by no pedals can practice their skills all the way up to an adult that is fairly proficient at biking and wants to advance their skills and so it really does provide an opportunity for the entire community so here is just one more image on the skate park and so you know i think with that all in the interest of time i'll hand it back to trav so we've got an active recreation that's one half of the site that we're expecting for parcel b and on the other half is going to be solar and we expect to have a ground mounted solar array much like the picture again solar is passive so it sits there quietly it goes with the trees it works fine with bikes riding next to it and we expect to have you know this would actually me a lot of the other goals of the town numbers that would be with our proposal and this that we're proposing tonight with with the bike park would be different numbers but in general solar is going to have a positive cash flow help help every residence rates for electricity and some future things which is the senate in the house is passing new laws about increasing our stringency for climate change action that will eventually have impacts on belmont's rates and so this is this type of thing having generation within the city limits actually hedges against future environmental regulations and makes more sustainable more insulated so this is something where it produces power helps us meet our future climate go it makes us more economically viable it has an economic payback and it helps our rate pairs and so that's a big push of all this and it fits in with the natural environment just to spend one other quick minute about some of the proposals that we have architected is  this is now zooming in on just parcel be so again you can see the blue squares on the left side this is the bike park so that's taking up about roughly a third the skate park is the oval in the middle the solar field is around this edge and we actually have incorporated and we listened to a lot of the other needs so we have some d p w containers that are here we have parking here this would be parking that is close to site which is  again that town own part already why do we have parking close to that well some of the things we didn't have a use for part c particularly with the bike or the solar you know you could expand the solar array it could be a soccer field well actually what we thought would be really nice is with nature and the areas actually have a walkway out into the wetlands and again incorporate nature and pull it back into this area so that's part of the plan that we thought about and then with respect to partial that was all left for d is uses as glen outlined for so again bike park solar park skate park multiple access to all of the rest of rock meadow and the greenway so the bikes could naturally come on to the bike park and then ride out or the hikers could come they'll be restrooms on site that's also a resource for rock meadow and elsewhere and over always leave the other two parcels for whatever use would be best use for that so i really perceive the time to present thank you thank you for the next in the last presentation please don't take these presentations to mean that any use is favored over another use is just that this one they had actual pictures which makes it easier understand and this one is just hard to understand without an explanation so the comment will be easier i think after you hear from  establishments places such we think of it as food waste from the disposal streams are not going to landfills waste energy plants so they banded about four years ago and they've been looking at different facilities to accept that material and generate a usable green products so it's basically generating electricity out there there are many different proprietary technologies these are all privately proprietary uses that can be used by just sort of general schematic up there of what is in a ro digestion essentially you take the incoming food waste goes into an enclosed tipping facility area that is under order odor control motor control is one of the things that you are there really part of the bigger part of the engineering of it and there's a digestion process and anaerobic is simply without oxygen so it doesn't allow any oxygen or air to enter into the system he creates methane gas which is the same gas primer predominately good natural gas you might have it your home out there that methane is c busted and generates electricity on a smaller scale this generates a large amount of lect electricity compared to the kind of solar x solar insolation that you might have out there there's a product after digestion is is through with the organic waste which is called a digest state that material is typically composted or reuse for different uses such as animal bedding in this case because of the limitations of area that we have on the site that material would be transported right out of out of out of town and to another facility to another facility and probably the central part of the state there are numerous positives and negatives post one to highlight a few of the things for your consideration as you look through alternatives tonight the positive is really get to revenue sources from this and if this is really an alternative potentially could generate some revenues if it is feasible for the site are viable for the for the site the first one is the any organic materials that are delivered to the site will be will pay a fee to be unloaded there and processed out there so everything we get would generate some money in that sense and the second one is there be some revenue and again whether it goes to belmont light or some of the other options there some benefit to the community from generating electricity from this from this facility there is a potential because it's going to be built by a by a third party vendor on the landfill to offset some of the cap instruction costs on area and again would for anomaly target area be for that use as a potential to reduce the town's curbside collection if the town elected to the corporator program to a collect the town's organic waste from residents and have that delivered as part of the project some of cons or potential negatives out there it requires a detailed operational engineering design control set of controls for controlling odors that is the biggest concept thing that we have to really focus on to make sure that the technology that was digestion facility we would meet with their various town boards decide how much how big of a cylinder what areas would be used how would be compatible with the land the other use of the landfill site potentially we talk to prevent all vendors again this is not a facility the town would operate itself the town would retain an agreement a lease agreement or a land lease agreement with a potential vendor then if that proves to be fruitful and is worth looking into we would go back out and generate a request for proposal again the extensive permanent once that's done and it will be led by the selected vendor with input from the town there's obviously a set of significant local permitting component that site is surrounded by wetlands conservation commission will be involved in that the board of health ha role in this under the law that the state regulations out there and there are probably other regulations depending on the decided use is in the actual facility and finally the masters department our mental protection or d p has a significant role both in overseeing the capping of the landfill what goes on there but also they will goes on in the air quality permits the emissions from the potential missions from the site thank you thank you so could get the graphic back up on the screen the map of the site so we can talk about that map and we are now opening up the floor to public comments because that's what this night is all about rubel you're going to go first so roger rubel i'm from precinct five i love the idea of a gesture i've actually had some experience with dealing with organic waste when i worked at boston one of the classes that i taught had the students take on an environmental problem at the university and come up with a solution and the problem they took on was organic wast and they actually got a company that would pick up the waste and they worked with the kitchen people to be able to collect the waste and that went on for about three or four years until the company went out of business my questions about this particular the digester is we need to be able to answer these questions is there odor is associated with it is there noise associated with it are there trucks that would be delivering the waste to the  facility how large are they have any would there be each day and what would be the route that they would take and how do we find out about this because as far as i know there is no town nearby that has such a facility and there must be some facilities some place i don't know of any municipalities that have digesters and it would be great if we knew where they were so that we can go and take a look at it and sort of see how it works so that the di is a great idea there are just a lot of questions that need to be answered i grew up right down the street from that site as young people we played in the back of the so called dom as we got older for each group rode horses all in through that land ok we know it and to mentally now possible say it's clean it's good land the other two possibles a dirty land ok so we've got to be very careful what we put there now solar is a great idea my only question is transmission lines and how do we get the power back to a substation around the corner from my house  second bike path we already did that when my kids were growing up mountain bikes just came out and we rolled all the carrots trails and all that back then it's nice it's good for you use of that  also question if you glenn transfer a stations with them when they haven't considered you know like the town a wellesley town ammash me was that ever thought of before we came up with the trash buggies which everyone's all worked there we have a considered reverting back to that not reverting back no so it was an active incinerate aside from i think was fifty nine to seventy five right then seventy five it became a transfer station now are you familiar with what wellesley does and i am not a town a mash b basically you get a dumb permit you go to the facility it's an enclosed say a two and garage and there's a huge trailer like a dump in the middle of it and you basically throw it town a wellesley is similar but they've gone one step beyond they have an area where you say you have a t v that still works you put it aside someone wants it they come and take it it's like a give and take type of thing and it's kind of a social thing to town a wellesley politicians go there on saturday you know literature getting off topic a little in terms of the land itself you said some studies have been done about the cleanliness and so  water and around the site there's still some ongoing valuations that are being done with that but essentially it's this site is appropriate for you know all of the uses that we've heard so far out there and you know that's where the conclusions about what kind of cap would go that glenn talked about out there that was that was sort of the basis for that those conclusion swamp land at basically two dumps on each side of it met state at an incinerator and of course we had an incinerator met states incinerator it's a mess down there avalon properties since done a lot of things with the old met state property but some of that is still there and that's that's well is there's a lot of horrible things in there and the reason i know is because when we did ride horses went to we rode snowmobiles and i fell in a few of those channels and they and the other canal of a by robin hood road you probably tested that and the very corner of possible was that be the very corner there behind the incinerator with a not much ok that's where they used to keep the old lawn mowers the washing machines the engine blocks and all of that stuff ok have you gone into the soil to check for oil runoff  going to get public comment on the thing either not here to have a back and forth but is there any other you had the other comment on what you think the post closure use should be we got transfer station up on the board yeah that's being considered use around the new high school i think the hockey rink should go up there hopefully and one of the other spaces i'm totally for the bike path and all that but hockey can be a moneymaking proposition i have grandsons i come from a hockey family i like harvey as well as tennis the no tennis courts in the snow play in for the high school and i think we need at least five of them if you move the hockey rink up you'll open up a sports as well as tennis now i know we had a lot of tennis courts and michelle a in one thousand nine hundred seventy the hockey tennis facility is what it was called was built for both it was six months tennis and six months hockey  would generate a lot more traffic i see you want more parking just look at the traffic in the way the cars are parked on target ave now you can have it open twenty four seven you can use it in the summer my daughter said mom what about summer camps and figure skating and things like that this is what hockey rinks really do so please consider some space if you can to put the hockey rink up here and my other question is can you have a public private facility for hockey on school grounds thank you so if you care you want it yeah you know i believe any any leased land that we would be putting forward would have to go to town meeting anything that we would do for the rink would have to go to grounds so it's town on land i can't see why you wouldn't but it's a question we can put through council may i mean so one of the things that you know the board in time is actually leading the effort is looking at both sides both exclude campus with the high school building committee and also the the incinerator site as a potential rink location and this board has been working very closely with  hockey association for you know for years now and they're active participation and in support of a new rink we can have two rinks whatever it is up at the belmont it's an arena site so we have to determine where in fact it's going to be and then i think at that point we can move forward in a very positive way with the public private partnership to rebuild that rink good evening brian sack a twenty seven the morning street in town here sixty six years and six generations and i looked at this site and i was trying to come up with some ways to you know carbonate it and one of the ones was he just brought i'm not a golfer so i just think of a driving range but i'll get that one out of the way i'm a big lover of dogs so one of my considerations here was a dog pack and within that dog park we don't have anything around here in other towns can use it but the thing is i would like to see it use if you have to purchase a cad like a pool pass we let sizes in our pool and under would this you'd have to buy a pass every year you walk to the gate and that you see it all over the news all over the time coyotes of what but when that's what i'm saying a nice and close fenced area for dog park and the other thing i had and no glenn was that's there's only three acres available there and that doesn't need a capping off there's the wetlands around there and this is my major one here a pet cemetery a pet cemetery we can generate a these towns these people who own pets or dogs part of their family they have to drive forty miles to get to these places there's nothing around this neighborhood yeah for pet cemetery and again this would create a lot of money and generate a lot of money every year you bury one hundred dogs here two thousand that's two hundred thousand dollars five years you're talking like a million dollars for the site and what we need it's cost might you got to spend money to generate money heal long you know some things the seasonal the bike paths the bikes rails is seasonal who pays them to maintain all that snow removal there's a lot of snow removal of you know food collaborative and i wanted to propose something that well i love all the ideas here all the many ideas i hope they all get implemented i think that is something that would complement many of these ideas would be traditional composting we talked about anaerobic digestion already and as you know they have curbside pick up for digestion in cambridge  and they call it composting and many of the people in cambridge were upset to discover that actually it's not being compost traditionally but enter a plea digested which is  the earth return compost to residents potentially and then also face a little bit less opposition conceivably from townspeople as as there was in cambridge so just as an example the towns of hamilton and went to have their own town white composting and they have been able to while they have they have been able  to decrease their trash pick up to every other week because of it because the decrease in their trash pick up and also the town of manchester has a b g curbside composting and they what they do is they have a private party run their composting site and also their yard waste for free while also doing their curbside pick up so it saves them in terms of the disposal of their yard waste so if so you know the there would not necessarily be a revenue from town composting but it would potentially reduce the cost of trash tipping fees and also it would reduce the cost of cu composting so instead of having a third party come and pick up compostable waste and truck it somewhere else or instead of having the yard waste truck to somewhere else to a different facility could have compost here and actually they would probably only require about two acres which could potentially fit in area c so i hope that you will consider that  like to be involved like parks i have been to downtown skate park which is a link one major issue there is the amount of drug use whether alcohol i would like to be able to help either design or create the bike park slash skate park i already know of lots of yeah i really want the bike park as a park to go through and i'd really appreciate that in this town because on weekdays the traffic in boston and or to get any decent mounting trails is unbearable and i would really like to see that go through  station incinerators site of whatever go through many many iterations and at one point we had recycling up there you would take your stuff up and throw it in one big container or another container and we had a tree palm tree farm up there on the right as you went in and the the town was drawing all sorts of varieties of trees that were much larger than the little bare root saplings were by now i wrote up a sort of brief history of that site and i'll leave it with you but it's important to remember what actually went on the sites during those years and the hill site it was sealed by perrine with some construction fallback site for anyone who had doesn't know where to put something in belmont we put the police station there we could put a school up there we could put the football field we have to realize that this site is heavily heavily used for everything from dead animal pit pit for a catch basin tailings which you can and came in it with cadmium and lead and other slightly chemicals snow is still down there i think and at one point we did a lot of planting did a survey we were called by d p d e q we at the time that something must be done with this site because it was an outrage it was leaking and clematis broke and beaver broke and yet it's still surrounded by weapons and we still are using it as a fallback for many things what concerns me is the town is using it heavily and they need to use it it doesn't cost us anything use it because we own it we're going to have to demand dismantle and deal with it  or site which is probably a spouse to us and who knows what else residue from those stuff that was burned there it's c is still being used heavily with the composting at one point some of it sort of drifted into a but then it was quickly removed and put back what it was to be there in windrows that were to be watered to have increased the decomposition and then at one point if i'm correct you can some of the compost was just taken away or sold to landscapers at one point they needed a permit to dump there i don't know if that's still the case and so this doesn't produce revenue but it doesn't cost us anything because the town needs this area it's a wonderful habitat it's connected to the green way it's going to do rock meadow and i'm very concerned that any of these very active recreational uses which would be great fun are also damaging mountain bikes doing terrific job on trails that get wider and deeper and wider and deeper and when we were renewing rock meadow and reestablishing it as a meadow we had all sorts of issues  with bikes and and the damage that they do this young man already spoke to some of the issues of skate parks they were great fun but i think they're more of an urban use than they are used to put right in the middle of a very nice open space there is wildlife up there because i've done many surveys up there and there are all sorts of birds that nest up there we need more meadows so anything that negatively impacts rock meadow is certainly not to be encouraged and i could go on but i want to but i just hope we can preserve what we have and use it wisely solar farms thank you solar farms should be as close to possible as possible to the source because you lose so much power in transmission and they should be put on lands that are already damaged we could say this is damaged but it's been pretty much restored with the seals it will need more sealing and a i'm super bass from precinct three which actually includes the incinerators site well glenn is crouched down there let me suggest that the composting was supposed to be food and a leaf year i want to mention that about the suggester i got an email today from a constituent of kendall gardens resident who is concerned about the noise but primarily i to relay a suggestion that was made by somebody else i had lunch with several town meeting members i guess it was last week and this is the subject of a major subject that we talked about but one of the suggestions this is from jenny jordan a precinct five to six town meeting members i doubt that it was for a missile command commuter facility with with solar canopy over the parking but you rule use there'd have to be some creative describing of the use i guess for lack of a better term to satisfy deacon's requirements well ginny's point was that it would be a positive asset to town it would keep traffic out of balance center could be subtle bus with a stop at belmont hill school they school who knows but and then then that there would be solar over the parking and that's also true for marianne suggestion she was also in this luncheon if you're going to have a hockey rink you should have solar on the hockey rink you should have solar canopies over the parking as you need parking for all these parents so obviously we're not there yet but i think they're really i think there really is  a lot of and of course i agree with carl on that we don't want to disturb the wildlife we want to you know make it is as much preserve protect the open space as much as possible but i still think that there are other twenty five acres there's a lot of room for some other uses and but i really want to stress that you can combine solar i mean i have to say i much as i admire the work of this committee the picture of all those solar panels you know it's not a pretty picture if you can a piece over a parking as they do it iggy's in cambridge as they do in lots of places and that's your solar panel it's very d roger roger colton a town meeting member from precinct six and chair of the energy committee and that was the point that i first wanted to make was that you had solar there i realize it's  that was put out there one thing that i wanted to point out is the town about much does have a climate action plan and the climate action plan that town meeting adopted does call for an eighty percent reduction in emissions by the year two thousand and fifty and the greenhouse gas inventory update that the energy committee did last year indicated that while for the first time ever greenhouse gas emissions in belmont are going down they are not going down fast enough to meet the town meeting goal of an eighty percent reduction by two thousand and fifty so we are anaerobic digester will support the greening of belmont lights power supply and i hope that that is one of the considerations at that the top of your list you might remember that last fall or last winter perhaps there was the bomb out late survey which where a town residents said that they wished that dom out light made itself more a part of the community and i think this is a way to move the opposite direction to is to make community decisions that will help meet the objectives of the town as expressed by town meeting if i could take off my energy committee hat for a minute and talk just as a town meeting member for precinct six i do want to express concern over the impacts of development at the incinerator site on the surrounding rock meadow and the surrounding conservation land and it's not simply the development that i concerned about but it's the lighting pollution if we have lighted parking lots out there it is the paving with the water runoff that we're going to the area so when we think of the impacts of this area on the surrounding conservation land it's not simply the physical intrusion but it's the intrusion of the light in the water runoff as well and i would be very concerned about that thank you  solutions among the ones that have been mentioned like could a rink exist within a rover digester could solar exist within an hour of the you know any of those combinations i think is some point we'll have to get there who are trying to do is g universe of ideas from the public that we can then start to explore and it could be that there are combinations i think there are things that are not compatible as we've been told like and are a big digester and skate park probably bike part probably wouldn't go together because you when kids playing around where trucks are coming from but you know that's not to say you couldn't put a skating rink with solar panels on top you sure could do two things and one friends some things are compatible and some things are not i'm not an expert in such things but once we get the universe of ideas here there could be a solar component almost any one of the ideas we've heard so far or it could be all solar and nothing else of that's the way that we'd all decide to go so my second question has to do with it maybe you did this in the beginning and i apologize if i missed this well first this is the recreation commission part of this process of analyzing uses it sounds like the energy committees involved that where there's a lot of recreation being proposed i'm wondering how this fits in the total plan for recreation for the town i think again i think we're trying to get a list of a list of ideas and they're going to have to be vetted by the various people who are in charge of vetting  things and wreck would have to go to iraq i mean certainly we're not going to make all the decisions in a vacuum here which is why your good folks are here tonight as we're trying not to make all these decisions in a vacuum and we want to get it right we're now we're just starting we're getting the list of ideas to get if we could the closed universe of ideas on the board and then start chipping away because some of the may just be nonstarters some of the may not be legally allowed on the site so those can come right off the list and eventually we're going to have to call this list down and we're going to have to pick something and it could be one of two things combined three things combined maybe one thing only but at some point we have to make a decision because we do have to cap it on a certain deadline and the cap is going to be dictated by the use which dictates what kind of cap if you're putting a building foundation and where the rank it's a different cap than if you're just you know putting grass on top of it so we need to know what we're going to do with it so we can cap it so that we can put the cap on it so we can actually do what we want to do  i'm supportive of a lot of these different plans and particular excited the enter of the digesters on the table i think that is had been something discussed years ago i know about the food waste ban you know about  the impacts of methane gas when you talk about traditional composting that being a much more damaging gas to the environment so this is this kind of approach is a better solution than just traditional composting  one thing i would hope to see that's part of your analysis is both the impacts to traffic which has come up with you know certainly with the trucks but the domino for how the site gets developed there but then also really looking carefully at the total energy impacts across the town depending on which i mean if if whatever you put here will obviously compare solar of ercis anaerobic digester versus any other use there but then what does that do if you develop another project that you could have put there elsewhere it may not be eligible for similar clean energy benefits so looking at the total town picture would be plus in my book and the last thing i have concerns about with the ski park is simply i don't know if this is on the d v w radar is just how those facilities that would complement any recreational use would be monitored and maintained porta potties are really not that desirable and that might be the quick solution but not a great one necessarily  that's my concern about recreational use at those having and thank you kay and traffic is something clearly we understand the currently the site generates little to no traffic and almost any of these ideas would increase the traffic to and from the site and you have to think about what kind of traffic for instance if you are recreational the traffic will probably mostly nights and weekends when people around there are home if it were something like an anaerobic digester you could limited to business hours monday through friday and you would have been zero eight trucks a day or whatever it is coming and going versus hundreds of cars coming and going to a hockey rink i mean it's all things that have to be played out there are negative and positive externalities every single one of these ideas and obviously you live in the neighborhood it's going to be any of this is going to be more traffic than there  and land in town to consider to just put one thing there seems like a whole bunch of people be sad and i would also like to encourage some form of recreational use since there are different kinds of use suggested for this than we have in town just more trails that we could just walk on is very different i also like to say that i'm a member of number which is new england mountain bike association there is lots and lots of research i must say i disagree with carolyn about bikers don't do more damage and i'd be glad to get research if you got to that point if trails are designed which  is very much on the forefront of looking at them they don't do more damage than walkers and they are more considerate on considering when things are wet the bike and skate park is a little different than anything that we that a regular trail that carolyn was suggesting and i think it to be considered as something very different and i also think that we should keep in mind some form of whether it's solar farm or digester as part of the property of some money back to town because putting a cap will be expensive i also suggest that you don't the town doesn't take the full if you just saw it to put a hockey rink the town should pay for the full cap because it sounded from last week's putting money aside in a stabilization fund to cap the site the amount of money that's been put aside is not sufficient to pay for the cap of the site and we know that we're short so some of these ideas were could be possibly a way to cover that gap in the cap in cost trying to develop as you know as sorry don't remember the name of the person who gave the presentation about an hour of a digestion but it does require some composting at the end and i believe that people are working on ways of combining the two different when my name is kelly dorothy cardoza and i'm here on behalf of the monk country club i just wanted to point out that there's a drainage ditch that runs along the south side of concord avenue in the area of robin wood whatever issue you  whatever use you choose for the property i hope that you would look at that and realize they takes flow from lexington arlington cambridge and parts of belmont and it it's part of the well and but it shouldn't be ignored as part of this process because i think it's there and i just wanted to point out that i disagree that there is little or no traffic down there we do have quite an issue and there are a lot of people who live down there across the street from this area so i think the implications of anything i appreciate that you're taking that into account the implications on traffic and the other thing i wanted to mention was that the conservation commission is working with the conway school i'm sure you guys are familiar with that to come up with a master plan for rock metal and there they're doing some interesting ideas there and it would be nice to see something that sort of fit in with the overall area so thank you all that it in a skating rink if that seems to be a good location people concern about the actual expense for camping or the way that one you know in the real estate business and one of the ways it should be approached you kept it for what you have to cap it for the for that ring but you charge a lease payment it's going to pay for that difference in the capping it could be a positive cash flow for the town good to have that you have the rink there but you've got to realize we're looking at two three four hundred thousand dollars for a high school we can afford a lot of people cannot afford the extra economical load for some of these other things that we need and when i hear what the public with costs in this town particularly that high school till you get down with a high school side where you are and when the public gets their tax bill for another eight hundred or two thousand dollars a year maybe they're going to start looking more at some of these costs before you decide what you're going to do with this site and as far as one of the best ideas i heard of here you want to use solar panels i'm violently against putting solar panels on the ground the land is much too valuable the best idea i've heard of here is getting off the ground  need that so you've got a secondary yields maybe you can do that is a private use the what the deed restrictions are on the property but i'm very much against putting solar panels on the ground anywhere on am ready baka leave my son eli on van ness road this is certainly sort of a christmas tree of a problem here and i see a lot of friendly faces my friends in composting my friends and solar my friends in the biking community i'm also in the belmont soccer association board and you know it's just that no one's been here to say and i'm sure you have the input that we are pressed for playing field space in town and i'd love to see us do combination work to try to put things together for my son and i'll say there are bike features that could be incorporated into designs that take up much less space than a formal bike park and you could still have a lot of the use of enjoyment in that kind of activity w deconstructing it in pieces around the facility and then just one question for the anaerobic digestion how much of the footprint of the space we're talking about would the facility require bruce over the flight or pato areas that include the facility as well as the logistics of bringing stuff in and taking stuff out that it's a facility to the turning areas for trucks or things like the still be a driveway that would be shared with maybe that would prague meadow and surrounding conservation areas almost daily with my dog and i ski in the winter and whatever and i certainly want to make sure that whatever use we recreate tional land so we can hike on and walk on and really enjoyed mountain bike whatever we do and i think we just we're talking about updating rock meadow improving rock meadow we have these consultants working on  anaerobic digest of like creating odors and being having a generator of course burning fuel creating exhaust creating noise and disturbing the area i also i really would like to see us consider the beauty of this land in whatever decision we did thank you thank you martin so anybody new who wants to make a comment park is that you know you can the kids can go there in the daytime but it doesn't need to be late at night there won't be light pollution so a lot of the concerns i got brought up with this particular mixed use is going to be something that we thought fit with nature and that was the goal as they would be have to comment because there's clearly so many environmentalists conscious folks in the audience and we all have very different views about this site so i just want to add one more layer which is not only should we be thinking about the energy that we could produce for the town and that maybe solar that may be anaerobic digester but we should also be thinking about the offsets that we may be providing from other towns diverting this is the anaerobic digester just seems like a necessary direction that the state is trying to go and citing these renewable energy facilities it's it's part of playing playing well with others i would say so i think we should keep that in my in mind as environmentalists thank you thank you   just wanted to clarify the mountain bike issue club the group that bonnie mentioned worked very well with us at the rock meadow reestablishment study and are a very reliable group it's the unreliable odd ones that don't belong to that group that are the ones who might damage things and i just don't want to fragment this with too many ideas but i think some of these are very thank you and i appreciate the the clarification and we're not going to debate the pros and cons of all the ideas because this was really just to get the ideas there on a board and now we have a universe of ideas that we can operate off of and start to whittle this down we're fortunate that we have the this resource to actually have this conversation about so let's keep it going in a positive direction and not turn into anything that gives we clearly can't do all of these things there but we could certainly do a combination of some of them before we end tonight either of you have any comments not think this is really helpful