and so i'm just going to be brief and then take any questions or comments that you guys i'm so when we started this process in our kick off workshop with council and planning commission we said the conference of plan was basically about answering three questions and that's where is the t now where do we want to go and how do we get there so what's been going on now is for the past two months the consultant teams trying to help trying to help us answer the question of where we are now so what that is entailed is that they've been conducting research analysis on the existing conditions within the community before we can start to make any recommendations on future land use and develop and we have to understand the current state of our community today so the consultant has been reviewing past plans and studies they've been looking at current development regulations they've been analyzing housing data as well as demographics within the community and also studying market conditions so they're kind of coming to the end of that process and they're go present their findings the way that they're going to do that is through community snapshot report and what that document is going to be is a detail before of their current findings today they're actually going to be giving us a draft here and then  with this in this week and council planning commission staff the steering committee we're all going to have the opportunity to look at their research and their finding so far in a sense trying to help them fill in the gaps will rethink additional research and analysis is needed  so some other things are going to go in on the resident survey that just recently closed there were eight hundred twenty responses to that survey the consultant told us that that's the highest response rate he's ever had for a survey so that shows you know we got a lot of people that were interested in the survey and took part in it and what that survey did it was just the fact it was eleven percent of the households within the township so that's a good portion of the township and what the purpose of that was to obtain information demographics spending patterns and market conditions for computer modeling so the consultant with the resident survey they also he also did a business survey which was just recently advertis d last week that was done so through the chamber of commerce because it's specifically targeted for businesses within the community so the purpose of that was tied in a five existing bid business conditions desired changes of business owners and future averages fifty views written per day are just two hundred eighty and it's kind of a one stop shop for everything about the conference plan people can go there find out about current events they can see draft documents when we upload them when the consultant starts to provide them it's just the center of activity so people can provide comments and also keep up to date with what's going on a comprehensive plan as part of the research and analysis the consultant team met with a lot of focus groups and interviews well there you go thank you that that's the home page of the website so with the focus groups interviews both paul along who is our lead consultant with us al and  cone who's the market analyst they've sat down and met with a bunch of stakeholders within the community and during those meetings both consultants have posed questions and generated discussions about the issues and what people want to see happen within the community where the opportunities are some of the people that they sat down with the focus groups they've sat down with planning and financial institutions local developers and builders that do a lot of work within the community and the peters township school district we sat down with the superintendent that this is manager and principals from the various schools we also sat down with real estate agent real estate agents and brokers engineering and design firms people who do a lot of work within the township that know are developing regulations and where there's issues shortcomings worthing new things need to be improved and we also sat down with peter's township residence as far as the one on one interviews are concerned i won't go through the list but we sat down with a diverse group of people representing various backgrounds and professions both from the community and within the region to understand kind of where the opportunities are within the community and the region some of the things just brief summary with what we've heard or with what we've begun to her hear as we get out and speak with residents professionals something's included housing options that's kind of been a repeated thing that we need to start looking at possibly more housing options traffic congestion that's a common theme that we've heard some people's i'm still not a surprise at all traffic congestion also things like poor walkability by could but bikeability i think we've heard this one  development sites are becoming harder to develop there's less you to land and also another big thing is concentration of businesses everything's kind of focused around nineteen people want to start seeing more businesses out on the side of the of research we're going to be having our open house on september nineteenth that's going to be at the high school from six until nine pm if a consultant team is going to be here they're going to do to present patients wanted six want to seven thirty to present their findings so far and then there's also going to be stations set up throughout where people can come for housing information to consult has as well as they'll have opportunities to talk about their ideas for the future what concerns they have and what their visions are the last thing in october i'm going to detail about what we're going to be doing your speaker series which we've talked to you before so we can start organizing that as well as planners that school one thing when talking with different groups and individuals they they said we need to start going out and talking to the kids that's kind of a group that we haven't got out to yet so we're going to do a minor state school where we actually go to the high school in the middle school in oregon we haven't really found out the details but work on a project with the kids to figure out what they would like to see in their community in the future so with that if you guys have any comments or questions so trant when we were doing a resident survey i asked you  questions about that yes and you explained to me the reason for the design because i questioned the inability to really make comments just for the general viewing public can you explain what the purpose of that was community or what people want to see as far as their visions are concerned for housing transportation it's more about getting detailed information for the consultant to do his computer modeling so the one thing i explain this to mr lewis as well is he's looking for he's looking to do a gap assessment as well as a demand find demand for certain retail housing industrial uses so he's looking at people spending patterns so for instance there was one time where mr lewis that said that you know he can't buy a tie within the community what this survey is going to help do is find where people are spending the money for where they're surplus and where there's leakage so in the instance of mr lewis he has to go outside of the community shop for a tie well that represents an opportunity within the community for that type to retail so with the resident survey that's some of the things that the consultants trying to identify and i appreciated your explanation one of the things i was it was hard for me to understand when you asked somebody where do you buy your groceries and because and that is availability you're going to get the same answer and why do you extrapolate from that  when he's looking for where you shop for groceries and how much you spend and there's a lot of information that he can tell how much of people's budget is being spent for certain commodities so he can tell how much money is left  there's disposable income and where people shop for groceries can help him do that when you give the reports are you going to be given a copy of the raw data as far as how to question not to tell personal information but how the questions were answered in general we've asked that the consultant is going to provide go provide the numbers for each question will be in an appendix some form or people can go back and look at exactly what was asked and who answered thank you  unless extended by counsel or anybody who wishes to address c i believe that all of you received a letter from me regarding the cross country program on the president of the peter tatchell place will cross country boosters and the reason that i wanted to come in is i saw in the paper after the last meeting that it was stated that the spikes that we are asking to use in the corner worst were not allowed because they were going to negate the warranty which is absolutely not correct  and then i subsequently watched the video of the proceedings and mr bork was said i wish that somebody in a coach or somebody from cross country was here to explain this to us so i wanted to come in tonight to help you get a better understanding i did have some exchange with this is merrill regarding the program and i think there were some misunderstandings about our whitman and our use of the field we are existing users feel five that's  horses and i could get into detail about why it situated there but of the ninety acres in that park it is the absolutely best site for us to begin in and our races when that deal was modified no one came and asked us how that would affect our program or how that would change things for our runners so we've kind of as it's developed with first we found out there was going to be a fence which was going to work as we start in the low part of the field and we go up that hill and there's no way to get  hundred runners off of that field up that hill with one four foot game so we got through that process and then subsequently a week or so after we got through that we were told that we were not to be able to wear our spikes this is what we wear this is our  to the course and the compromise was to allow a ceramic spike which is not something that's ever used in cross country it's designed for a track application really for a libyans because it's one third less the weight than that and when you're moving in nine seconds over one hundred meter track course one third less the weight might make a difference but our course we run up and down hills over rocks and that's basically what we want to prove to where the i appreciate wholeheartedly your interest in wanting to preserve that field in that course and we do as well and we would never request being able to do something that was going to negate the warranty but there are shoes based on the current program that are designed for soccer but very clearly designated for natural surfaces only the shoes which athletes and then we have our guests you know teams that will come in run with us we might have in a given me there are two means for high school the whole year and those two makes the kids if this was field five they start in the corner and they walk across and run up that all athletes running this week regularly have available the condition with good remixed bikes and i've been to the junior olympics with my daughter seven times we've run all over the country i've never once been asked to have a ceramics bike because it's not standard equipment five or thirty percent of our annual budget so we're going to spend money on a whitman that is is not go it you know it's kind of necessary when what we do that regularly in is readily available is not going to cause damage to the field  difference would be for example you know with the soccer spike if you're going to have you can put up a sign put on the website where turf shoes but who is going to be there at the soccer game making sure that no soccer players are  know respect for were you know we do a spike check people walk but honestly the difference between checking to make sure that you're wearing this versus wearing this is going to happen a spike which is wh my name's john mameluke one one two can drive i've been a resident for thirty years i've been involved in track and field and cross country for over fifty years i'm a for thirty years i've been a u s a t f united states track and field certified official i have coached i'm a system cross country coach right now and as ms when say in track and field it is standard practice to inspect spikes on a track meet it's the c course who check someone they check in and they make sure that they are the right size in a cross country meet it's up the starter would check them and we do that we check to make sure that we don't have and different places have different requirements we had one meet this year at penn trafford they started on the track so we had to have the spikes and we changed them before the meet and they checked them that were not too long for that particular track and different tracks have that what i want to show you here is this is baldwin stadium and i've been in hundreds of track stadiums and they're almost entirely turf artificial turf fields this is of wind at a meet last spring and most of the kids you see in the infield and if you look close and i could blow it up they are wearing their track spikes that they wore on the track to warm up in the end it does no harm to be an artificial surface and we do not run we do not stop start turn twist we run straight and these things do not do the  course b and i'm good based on safety because the former course and cross country has been in the park since one thousand nine hundred ninety four but with changes made to the park fences put up asphalt dumped here and there the course that they were using up until two thousand and eleven was very on save and when i got involved asked to help a high school runner i recognize that the course we were running on was one on safe it was not a competitive venue and we have all this land in peter's town chip peters would park that we could make a beautiful course and we did we we i designed it the coaches both approved it the parks and rec director approved it with us starting in finishing on field five so we were a user all last year on field five the teams that came and ran on our course all stated unequivocally that we had one of the best cross country courses in the entire debbie p i a f all because we make use of the land in peter's township we had a good start we you may not be aware of this but in building that course and parks and rec maintenance j measures maintenance people did a great job of doing the rough clearing but then we worked hundreds of hours with volunteers grooming are our trails through the woods those trails are being used by the community tremendously heavily every time i go and i go there every week there are people on  the winner with no maintenance done in the spring you could walk through the door it was wonderful trails because people are using those trails and we felt like we did a service for the community by designing the new course and we gave that you know something that the community could use and more into the middle school runs a three k which is one point eight miles the high school runs a five k which is three point one and both courses are basically similar they use the same areas they start both in and they finish but the high school has two extra loops to make the extra distance what information was  and none of them have restrictions on the the us on spikes on the infield and i don't know where miss harman got that information but if you have a purely a field that does not have a  track around it maybe they have those restrictions but i personally talked to ray bathurst l who's the sales representative for shall i met him along with mr guy or in and talk to him about our spikes and the i asked him for the letter because he told me right right up front he said those spikes won't hurt our field at all and i wrote i talked to him i sent him an email asking specifically if he would just put in writing no indorsement just what are spikes hurt and i said half the or if you want to keep it illuminate to three eight the age that happens aren't going to hurt the field either but he put it in because i told him you know we normally run with three a we're we're happy with three eight in spikes for our for our poor so three eighth inch by his is is all we need and he put the letter out saying three it i never asked him anything about warranty and he put that into his letter all by himself because he's not going to affect the warranty in his words and these spikes truthfully you can run with three quarter inch those spikes and they are not going to hurt this turf field now we're eliminating it to three eight inch which we're happy with that because that's what we normally run with most of the kids can't run with that the bigger spikes only very mature runners can run with the longer know the ceramic is not a problem either neither want neither steel or ceramic is going to hurt the turf field we have an organizer we only have six or seven competitions on the field every year and we control those competitions mr penton myself you know i normally start the races for the high school we get another us a t f official to start the races for the middle school and they know to check the length of the spikes and make sure that we are not exceeding something not presenting something that is going to hurt the field we don't want to turf her we love the turf field is a great place for us to train we can run on it we can stretch on it we can do things and we don't want to see it hurt either i would certainly object to having this steel spikes on and mr geir told me that they did put a sign up  v but they put it up after the field opened and recreational baseball came up to use because they put baseball markings on the field of p v came up with the baseball type spikes that i just showed you a few minutes ago they came up on to the t v field and that's when the high school put the no cleats is what it should've said because those are police not spikes but we can control anyone running cross but it seems as if you're very passionate and very convinced that you have an ability to police the life of the spikes be them at all or ceramic and you prefer not to have to use ceramic because it's an increase cost and that doesn't m if i can paraphrase are the more usual material but if if that's the case then i guess part of it comes down to a question a liability and and where that falls if something does happen would have concerns based on what you just said about the soccer spikes in the ones that potentially could tear up the field i don't know who's police and mr curie indicated the raf steward i'm not sure what level they start  but there were a lot of kids up there on the field saturday and i didn't see anybody picking up their feet and washing at the spike so i don't know how how the township will have that asset protected whether it's your liability or it and creating procedures i would suggest that if you want to consider the spikes that probably we would need to have a discussion with the school district request the permits and who we work with officially vice versa when we use our facilities so we would need to get something from the the district itself if you want us to look into that it's going to ultimately come down to will cost the adults in the coaches at the at the scene of starting the race with the what we're going to do we've already made accommodations almost unheard there's going to be no metal spikes my first reaction was to google something to try to find something since of the same thing comes down to whether we're talking about over or ceramic or whatever it is or soccer it's going to come down to the adults at the scene that are going to have to police the situation in deal with it and whether you couldn't agree more with bryan since we're school districts for not a recreational for you don't have ultimately we need to go through bryan for all that but again i mean it just comes down to is it this size issue that we're dealing with specifically and if it's just the size issue if i'm going to check for ceramic i can just as easily checked requirement  mrs one was saying so it's going to come down to the start of the race will be at the start line will be anywhere from eighty to one hundred kids that myself and one of the coaches going to walk around the mask to pick up their shoes and look at their feet to make sure they're not wearing what they're not supposed to and balances we have here place like i said i'm if you come up there on september eighteenth you're probably right four o'clock see me bosy through field of under games with your feet near checking to see what they're wearing and different things like that but and the other thing we're talking about today we have to do it at the start line right before the race is lebanon you just ask about they run in the park on all grass they don't have a turf field there on the design of these turf field these turf eels are tough i'm good in sports for a long time and my son played football on the knows my son i think these days it's the the blades is what or what you don't want to cut which the baseball would cut inst surrounding all those blades are rubber in fact when you watch a soccer game and you see the kids drag their feet you see beads of brother flying up in the air these what we do is we just run over the top we don't dig in you know we don't cut any blades as long either and i did talk to the the sales rep and he just put in that because i said we can control it at three d but a longer spike isn't going to hurt those that feel either and we don't want to feel her we love the field you know controlling it is tough you've got a lot of rules you have rules such as no dogs on the turf sunday i went up there and i have a picture of a daw at the soccer game and i'm for us is a martyr murphy a wristband resource last time we didn't get any other proposals because most of the companies that do this also want to bid on the shorts and we said you have to decide you can do one o  on their rates this year although they in numerous places point out that the that expected to change to the future based on all this situation with having to to do the upgrade with the cleared to the peters creek sanitary the poor is absorbing so there has already been warning crease that is not being passed on to the residents and i think that's just a minor clarification but that's already happened to south thank only shopping center that has that problem most of the recent developments seem to have parking problems and that is then affecting the ability to lease the space and i i appreciate the idea that peters has impact like the spaces of care that they want to put in i don't think that those would be approved to be out on reaching taking it removes the sidewalk removal of the owns in there i don't want to think that's going to have a negative effect on the overall appearance of the center  that if you remove them there's more impervious pavement art and there are hope there are houses but whether they are so i would have to hope that planning is going to be careful about in all the any kind of runoff all the runoff from this center all this parking in goes they have a difficult problem things that we we know that we would like to change but i guess the first question would be is this council wish to continue with this concert so some of their timing yeah we use all that after the first  projects to go to do it but we think will be within the budget for sure