so thank you for inviting me tonight especially the p t o and the benches are well used throughout the hallways the students love it they love this new innovative library and the cafe part over there so my name's jim brown on the lead counselor here this is my fifteenth year at belmont high school in eighteenth and guidance overall i was chosen lead counselor a few years ago i think because i'm the oldest by far and the heaviest so i could sit on my coworkers and get away with it so i'm going to give you the to my two cents it'll probably be whittled down to a penny by the time i'm done with it done with it just kind of an overview in different events that we have for your children and for your parents in a second objective would be to give you a testing timeline that always seems to be you know the sixty four thousand dollars question is when should my students be taking the test so i put that on the handout and then of course answer any questions and all questions that you may have so you know we can be interactive and certainly regime hand because one cool person has a question is probably another person has the same one as well so  hands how many freshman parents do we have ok tenth grade juniors in the seasoned veterans and then of course you know when i can answer that question i'm going to go right to and so the expert i have two boys myself twins freshman in high school at north riding high and we're going starting the process as well too so please say prayers for them and myself and then i have a i have a sixth grader as well to young boy so that being said remember this is a process it's a journey and it starts in the ninth grade we certainly don't emphasize you have to go here we don't emphasize you know what call it you're going to decide on by the end of freshman year but it is part of the process  you know we want to try to find the right school and not necessarily the bright school or what the book says is the best school out there this is we want to make sure that your student has the right fit for them over the next hopefully fo years and no more than that you know there's different ways that you can start with this it's you know it really starts at home it starts with a collaboration with the teachers absolutely get involved with you teachers you students teachers talk to them e mail them ok make sure you're taking a look at the progress reports because freshman year what they're doing is building their academic resume and freshman year does count ok it counts towards when we send final transcripts off as a senior we put the freshman year final grade soft more junior in then for senior year will send first and second quarter and will send the final one to the college of their choice and again today is a lot they've asked me to talk about the call it planning process certainly there are other venues they are gappy is there a prep school and i'll talk a little bit about that on you know what we have for the junior future planning night so we're not certainly putting that aside but tonight i think our focus is on what we can do since belmont high produces so many amazing young students  that go on to to wonderful for and to universities ok so if you take a look i really want you to know what events we have a what we have out there and you know possible addition additional events that we may do we do in the future so in late august we do of the class connectors in the freshman orientation parents are welcome to come there is a q and a after that but it's mainly to get the students acclimated to the school to have them visit their guidance counselor to talk to students we have some amazing people that have helped with that and which we can get every year ok so that's kind of the first time really that they they have access to belmont high school in october just recently and we i think we have two more freshmen groups each council meets we pull kids out of the history class and we meet with them and talk to them ok we get we have given them they use it in the tenth and eleventh and twelfth grade but they have been given it not all of them by the end of this week will have met with all freshman will have lot of them in you know we talk about in the freshman groups graduation requirements and getting involved in a self advocate i think that is such an important skill that they have to develop over the next four years is to go to the teachers to be proactive and not reactive and that's something we'll hear from us throughout the four years to go to the teacher before something negative happens go to them for help before a test rather than reacting to you know maybe a fifty nine or a sixty on a test they're not happy with so that's you know that's kind of the focal point for freshman year is to just to start to explore the activities the sports the performing arts club marching band things like that to go to the different meetings because down the road so off one junior year on we want your students to be consistent with what they're doing ok and that's what they're going to start to put on their college applications when they're seniors ok they're allowed to put ten different activities on there and consistency leadership in some of those roles is certainly a nice thing to see in october november december we'll also meet individually with the freshmen and we'll talk to them about how freshman year is going i had a very talkative group today and one of about six six but they were outstanding i asked them if you were principal for the day you know what would you do and more free periods and then finally the next group i said besides free periods you can't do that so they they are in tune ok and there are they're doing they're doing a real good job so i was very impressed at how they carry on a conversation and hopefully that they do the same within the classroom so then you move on to tenth grade ok when it starts to amp up a little bit soft more as could take the p s a t it's this weekend they don't have two kids a norm test for soft moore's across the country none of the color just look at the p s e t in january we have a coffee and conversation with guidance ok it's january fourteenth for tenth grade parents and we're really going to delve into the p t i'm not sure if you've heard but the s c t is changing it's changing for the current freshmen in tenth graders so the p s a t will be new in the fall of next year and then the s c t i'm not sure what month but it will be new in two thousand and sixteen we're hoping for january going to try to have a guest speaker at this coffee and conversation sherry brass from kaplan to let you know about the changes a lot of it is it's going to be they're not going to have a writing section it will be optional you can guess and you're not panelized they're really gearing it just kind of like the e c t ok which is another admission i think they're losing business to them so they are changing it and it's more content friendly and it's just two different type of tests that you can look at and that's something that will really explain to the soft more parents that morning everything will be up on the website after that in april where this will be new this year we're going to have the ten creators meet in guidance groups we're going to talk to them and make sure they're not a con is working ok and we're going to get them to do interest inventories so we will have them probably up on one of these labs talking to them signing them into navi and doing an interest inventory what are they like what are the dislikes ok i think it's based on john hall is we'll work  it's not an aptitude test so it doesn't matter measurability it's just what they are interested in and then we try to have them do some scavenger hunts within the computer system onto majors that relate to what they  like and careers and jobs as well too it really has a lot of you know they give them the projection and of course the kids want to go in right away and see how much money they can make so it is a nice tool that will use for the software's of this year for the juniors  we know that you know it can be a stressful year and we don't want to be but we are the council is it here the teachers i know the parents are here as well to you know we want them to stay within the framework and know what's really tough when you know they compare themselves to a lot of the to their friends but junior year october we try to encourage all the juniors to take the p s a t it is offered here november twenty second ok and this is for juniors only we did it last year we had close to one hundred students i have a feeling we'll have more than this year we have in a c t s eighty combo test ok i'm going to send out how to register kaplan did give some flyers out at the college fear i'm going to open it up on friday you'll sign up through them and you pay that day it's twenty dollars they give you a great printout on your strengths and weaknesses in the a c t or the in the s ok so it's a real nice opportunity for the juniors haven't sent it out yet it's in my calendar of task to do on friday send it on list serve i'm sure your students will come home right away and tell you all about it when we send it through  it up to november because you get those results back and that gives you more time to sign up and game plan you know tutoring anything like that so you'll have it hopefully before the holiday break so that's just a practice test it's a practice test it's often through kaplan we run it here doesn't anything to do with the call it board it's just a wonderful instrument to gauge a strength and a weakness and again it's only for juniors and they're a little deeper into the curriculum than the soft morris plus the s a t is changing for the software's january that's kind of the big night and it's a great night for you and your child to come and sit next to each other and and bond so we have our future planning night that's when we get into debt and really into depth about using maybe not necessarily how to apply to college but how to do college searches  we talked about you know the different tests that i wrote the air but it is a good night we encourage all our juniors students and parents to come by i think we had a few hundred three to four hundred last year in the auditorium it started up here for the parents we had about forty ten twelve years ago and it's really blossomed and we do do invite everyone to come to that  we will be meeting with your eleventh grade is in their positive decision making class and that's where we're going to jump into navi onse and teach them how to do a college comparison how to do a college search and again this is the engine that we use we think it's wonderful now the it's it's just geared towards the belmont students the data is based on the last five years of who got accepted based on average g p a s a t s it's certainly not a hard science because we know there are certain factors like a p s and athletics and things like that that not in there but it gives a realistic approach ok and we by the time the seniors we want to have a realistic approach and a realistic list of colleges and we'll discuss that when we had senior in just a bit so that's january february so when they're ending the semester of positive decision and then the new one so they'll be a three week window kind of us getting all the juniors into a computer lab but that's that's really the hard college process for the juniors we then encourage any time i put down february but any time after the junior future planning night to make an appointment with us ok we want to meet with you in your child all right sometimes parents take us up on it sometimes we know you have a busy schedule but we would love to sit down in just stock to see where we are all what page more on and what it's looking like they're still have the blinders on the juniors so don't worry about that but that's that's really what stops to kind of fuel the fire seniors are lovely seniors who i see sometimes more than my family and that's ok we're here to help ok september we called all the seniors down and we'll do it we're going to do it every year now we call him out of their english class we bring them down into the computer lab we connect the dots in there call him a nap we make sure who's going to write their call of recommendations  for most of them and then we just go over the process and how to apply and how to meet deadlines and it it's very beneficial over the last few years since we've been doing that we certainly september through december we invite again the parents to come in with their child some seniors are ok on their own others the parents will come in and assist them with that process and that's just to say hey what's our game plan what are we thinking about we want them to come into that senior meeting ready with six to eight schools and then from there will certainly help them expand that list or in some cases the student who has twenty four on their list will try to trap that down a little bit so it's it's a great meeting and again we're you know if you haven't met just either have your student or you can email us we can look at the a schedule right away and get you into the office especially if you have a november first deadline we did have a senior plan a future planning night it's for parents only ok that was in october first i believe it's usually late september and that's exactly what we tell the students in the english class is what we tell the senior parents ok so we're not going to really invite the students to that they've already heard us and they don't want to listen to us more than once if they don't have to nov eighteenth six thirty right behind us in the little theater is financial aid night and that's where we have someone for me for come a representative we normally have well over one hundred parents attend that in the field any question that deals with financial aid it's certainly you know it's a big process you can stop the c s s private form the profile form now and then january first of two thousand fifteen you'll do the fafsa federal form ok so that's something that you know we really hope you can come and make it in october of every year the college fear the p t o does a great job of organizing it with miss ross again we had about one hundred call edges you know come through this year in we hope to do that year in and year out sometimes it's a long night sometimes it's the representatives but it's a good way this is a good way for the younger kids to start maybe even soft more as they don't even have to come and talk to the call edges but maybe to walk around see what it's all about and then roll this leaves up to new year as well to we will have this year i think we had close to seventy five college representatives in these are admissions representatives who will come through a sea of will set up shop for forty five minutes we ask that the students get called out and they talk to them ok they're the actual representatives it's in if you click on call it just click on visits with the students account it's you know today we had colorado call it i think we had wesley in the and we had eight to ten two weeks ago we had boston university and we had twenty eight students in that one so again these are the actual reps it's great to hobnob with them it's for the students i tell them send them a thank you know then another one when you apply really shows interest ok and that list is and so that's those are the events that we have and we're trying to get you know as many as we can for the parents along with the students i still know we probably need to do something for the freshman parents maybe a coffee and conversation for them we're going to talk about that in our guidance meeting wednesday and try to throw that together over the next month or so ok so those those are resources and actual events in meetings that you can come to to help support and better understand what the call it process is a vote because it is totally different as a freshman parent than it is as a senior parent in it just different facets of the game as it goes  along the guidance website has a lot of good information call it board dog is another great resource to use we have a lot of listed resources on our web page so do we have any questions about any of the vents or the process before we get into a testing timeline yes yeah they usually are in the fall that's a great question one of the called reps come you know some of them their budgets limited and they can only do a certain amount we try to get as many in as we can because we feel it's beneficial but we usually let them come middle of september but the first two weeks and then they go maybe into december but the bulk of it's october november so it's mainly senior year the juniors are welcome to come and i think that's something that my department we need to do to promote it a little bit more it is in there but they're not looking at right now yeah so that that's something you know i think maybe juniors could take advantage of it and then a lot of the call is will have local open houses as well to yes we we we don't have that yet we feel would be a great fire friday night experience to sit down and ask them for their account though it's logistically it's a nightmare right now we're trying to iron out how we would do it sending out a thousand and twenty four emails is just i don't know how we would do that but  now every student has an account in the yeah i think it would be i mean we could certainly ask our secretary to do that it's just it would be a yes yeah we're right now with the freshman when absolutely and you'll never know i have my children's and they have no idea about it so what we're asking the freshman to use you know it's our com you type in two four seven eight but we're asking them to use their school e mail address not their personal this school email address and if you have more questions about this you can always email me you can email french and secretary i do have a meeting with the directors of the middlesex league guidance i want to see which parents have access which schools have access which ones don't and how did they distribute it it's just the volume of phone calls and e mails that come through our office each day but i mean i think that i think it's something that should be talked about i think it's a good point we know teenagers believe it or not do not tell you everything all right i don't know who's worth boys or girls i think the boys are both girls are boys yes  sure so what's the difference between the college fair and the actual college representative who comes by here well the college fears certainly a lot noisier a lot more people there you know the college fear  to get you know some information on it it could be from an alumni could be from an a parent of an alumni whereas the the college reps that come through the door i usually add our admissions reps and most of them will read your child's application so it's a little bit more intimate it's certainly not an interview but depending on how many students show up it can turn into that colorado college that they had eight students so i mean the students here apply anywhere and everywhere which i think is wonderful yes yes anyone absolutely yeah absolutely financial aid night i mean it's everchanging it's you know they have a big pot of money and then they somewhat give it out at times and whether the colleges need base need blind  the base so yeah you definitely come to the financial aid night i mean you're welcome to come to the june we're really focused you know we that's why we're trying to have something for every class but you're more than welcome well i think the content is changing the little bit of the math it's going to be more what they have learned in the classroom it's going to be broken into two sections the writing will be optional they're thinking about what they're going to have is science questions throughout the whole test not a science reasoning part like the a c t does the strategy would be no you know not penalize for wrong answers i haven't posted a lot of that yet right now we can get that up and send something out on list serv on the differences but i want to attack it with someone who's in the business kaplan for the software was in the juniors will go into heavy detail into that changes well the january twenty first is the junior night and the soft more night is january fourteenth in the morning saw for breakfast well probably send something out you know we want to get the kids to last generation they really are so that's why we're going to do the interest of an tori's we don't want to force feed too much color stuff down there but certainly you know it's also a matter of how much face time i can get with my students i have two hundred fifty students just up a little bit from one hundred ninety a few years ago so we are trying to you know do that but that is a great point the with the p s a t i know some soft morris took are going to take it this year and then they'll take the new p s a t next year i am told they'll be a conversion ratio on what it would look like  so and that we're planning on as counsel is going on to a couple college board meetings in the fall that they hold regional meetings and this is the hot topic so yes so the financial aid is you know it's a first come first serve kind of basis for some of it some of the schools have this specific deadline i would get that fafsa done the federal aid form as soon as you can the sooner the better even if it's february fifteenth i get it in sooner because the money will go if it's a private school they may want to call it the profile it's called the c s s profile you can look that up on call it board then they match that with the federal form most of the public universities just the federal form yes well i think during senior year a lot of the teachers use it as an assignment ok and that gets another set of eyes on it resources wise i mean his counselors will take a look at it we certainly you know we try to talk to all the representatives when they come in the doors as well to and we try to get the business ask them i always ask them what about the essay in the essay is really important you know you think of a lot of schools are going to test optional i think fear tests dog tells you which test which schools require which test but if you look at like the bates and the providence and holy cross  hofstra now and there's a bunch more that are going test optional meaning we're not going to we don't need your s a t s but if you send them we're going to look at them so what they're going to look at is strength the curriculum they're going to look at what courses you're in the going to look at a they're going to look at your extra curricular activities and they will look very very hard at the essay ok it has to be i think six hundred fifty words or less or it cuts it off  so i guess we could try to get some props up we don't have really a lot of resources for writing it just more recommendations than anything but that's that's maybe something we should look into some of the teachers have them write their actual essay in the english class yeah we would like them honestly to have and we're trying to talk to the director of english or maybe do that junior year imagine having your essay done before you leave to new year and we do recommend getting a rough draft done over the summer but again it's probably not going to happen so yeah we'll look into that as well too but we're trying to push it back as an assignment yes no no it's the number of students you know if we look at this year's senior class it's two hundred eighty and the freshman class is three hundred fifty and if you look at the superintendents report that just one zero it's out of the eleven out of twelve classes they're all over three hundred five of them or over three hundred thirty i get fired tonight mr richards you know yeah i mean obviously i think so i mean we would i don't want to have to cut out of vents and things like that and it is it's with two hundred fifty kids it's you know there is lots of kids on plans and just a lot the need i think the position of guidance as evolved a lot and students come to us with different issues and a lot of them just want to come by and talk in on load and then you know with the amount of you know anxiety and stress that goes into just being a teenager it's we can yes we do yeah  no i don't this is all it's process it's our case loads are big but you know i think that's faced probably the whole state of massachusetts it's you know that it's just for some reason the population is growing but i mean our kids are still performing well at belmont high they're awesome they're amazing and i mean a lot of it has to do with all the support that you know that you give them at home as well too so yes questions about the process  yeah so we talk to when i talk to my students my freshman especially about you know and i quiz them in our little groups and say well who's going to write your recommendation for college and hopefully it's a quick  answer and they say the teachers and i said yes who's going to do it when you get to call it i mean in your college who's going to write it for the real world my professes so we talk about relationship building skills that they need to get to know their teachers especially junior year soft more years they're going to write their recommendations all right some teachers will only write a certain amount teachers are only going to write positive things about your students or they're going to decline to write one ok which hasn't happened in my fifteen years so they'll approach the teacher probably in march of their junior year they'll ask try to secure two teachers some teachers have a lot of recess them it's new this year that the teachers before it was snail mail and they would put it in and out of all open and they'd mail it out with the stamp well now they can upload it to navi onse we've provided numerous trained trainings it's going pretty well right now for the teachers to upload click and send so that's kind of the teacher recommendation process you know if a student is in you know fifty percent of them kind of know what they want to major in and fifty percent of them don't and i think that's the norm across the u s as well too so maybe if they are leaning a little towards engineering math then we try to get them to look maybe at a science teacher or a math teacher but in the long run it's just it's to teachers within this building a lot of the colleges will give you what is called the plus one they don't want five teacher recommended i'm going to write a recommendation for all my students we're going to have the teachers write to and then a plus one which could be a coach it could be a youth minister or it could be someone where they do a job but they don't want to get a lot more than that so that's why i call it a plus one  yes absolutely we have them sign a statement a further statement that's part of our english class senior year that they waive their rights not to look at the recommendation i've been told by numerous call it is that they would frown upon it because they feel that the student parent anyone could have influence on that teacher writing a recommendation that yeah i mean i would you know i might get to further some of the senior parents as well too i think you know you could start soft more year junior year certainly it's i mean it's a time thing it's a logistic thing it can be a money thing but it is nice to to go visit a campus and to actually see it if you know i do recommend if you can see it when school is in session that's always not because of some of the you know usually sometimes over the summer but to see the flow of it try not to get turned off if you don't get a great tour guide i know that can happen to the kids i went toward university of chicago my tour guide was last year was unbelievable i wanted to go there by the time i was boston university that's a larger in a city you could shoot up to maybe a u v m which is not maybe in a thriving metropolis but in a beautiful town well then maybe go to a smaller you know i don't know stonehill something like that yeah you know i write i like to have my students start to take notes if they can and kind of a plus minus or you know a check one two three what stronger things like that because by the time senior year comes around they you know you've visited fifteen schools that they can run together but yeah you're right you could do that you could categorize it because they a lot of them don't know they could do that college search absolutely yeah i mean i met with the seniors today and that she's still not sure she wants a small medium or large so i gave her till tomorrow at seven thirty to decide i don't want to put her on the spot so i mean any any of the parents yeah they do like to see interest i mean you look at some of these schools get five ten thirty thousand applications ye about about their recommendation the teacher recommendation no i mean some teach we have a little green form for the teachers i don't think the teachers really should get into that as much they should you know they really want to talk about work ethic and classroom and participation and things like that that's something the council writes about and we have a lot we have a student brag sheet that the parents can fill out we take from that we have a long questionnaire the students aren't crazy about filling it out but it gives us a lot of details if i see a theme or a trend maybe i'll write about that if i know of a hardship and a parent wants me to write that then i  will otherwise we'll just go ahead and write about character and everything does absolutely mean that's why we like to meet with the parents and you know we get a lot of great insight from the parents that we may not have known about yeah but we try by senior i hope to know most of my students pretty well so we let them drive that process absolutely i will shape that list because if i'm telling them you should go to these eight schools and they go to that school and they hate it it's a prig again as i mentioned it's a process we start off as a marathon we don't want to turn it into a sprint so i want them to get involved get i mean i will tell them you come back with at least two schools you go do you call it search and then we'll talk about it i mean i meet some seniors eight to ten times by december even the juniors and it's to my advantage to meet with them whenever i can but we want them to engage in this process and if they're having difficulty then i have my list of questions  you know deal like cities do you want this that will go from there and then i will suggest some schools you know but we want them to have you know a few schools on their own and not just base because the postcards really pretty i had someone do that yes the profile sure that's a great question so when we so when you look at senior year there are different responsibilities you in the student are responsible for the application the save the fee and sending the test scores we don't get into that ok we don't send the test scores they don't want to accept them from us i send my recommendation the transcript and then we send the school profile every year we have a school profile  it's based on the previous year how many a p classes how many you know last year we had a thousand and five s eight a p tests i think four hundred sixty eight students took them and ninety two percent with three four or five so we put all that data on get above that because we do have pluses think the highest grade it's pretty high the student issue i mean these kids this junior senior classes really really good so we send our profile and we do a death on it and we say the top ten percent of g p s fall in this the next twenty percent thirty percent forty percent fifty percent and cut it off there so that profile goes oh it's all the colleges by inviting these qualities and having the call it fear know our reputation i just talked to one of my baseball players last week he's he's at a university up in new hampshire and he couldn't believe how prepared he was for call especially with the writing component compared to some of his college classmates he felt he was extremely prepared and so that profe we have a great reputation it's amazing yet should be should be if not we can you we can send it in i'm not sure where we put it i know we sent it to the call agism so any transcript that goes out a profile is uploaded so we don't have a weighted but a way to g p a would be to take your honors and a p and give them extra value we only do one weighted here we're trying to again feel not put as much competition a four zero they give you extra value so even though students say well what's the point of taking it well colleges would like to see you take a challenging course load and that's when i say let's challenge you but not bury you what are your limitations what your balance we need to take into consideration the two sports you play in the twenty seven activities you do in the  you know the only thing we put is national merit so national merits based on your junior p s eighty's we put how many students are commended and how many semifinalist and finalists we have you self report all of that stuff we don't even report p s things like that the only thing that's on the transcript will be the year final year grade and course and level freshman sophomore junior what you're taking senior year and then unweighted g p a there are places in the application to put that though we do not rank anymore though it hasn't hurt our kids that we know of that they'll tell us lexington i doesn't rank either in there they're a good school to this second to us to get them on camera any other questions yes sure so extracurricular could be anything from sports to the pac club which is our amazing performing arts club i think they're have the broadway show this weekend if you haven't gone to a show you need to go  it's truly amazing you know we have lots of clubs and activities here in the clubs here could be anywhere from the belmonte and club which is a community service club to the asian american club which throws an  amazing festivity come i think it's in april march or april and it's a lot of these clubs were developed and originated by students they come up with the ideas they run with it they get a and visor you know you could you know come up with any club you want here run it by the principal have a faculty advisor and open membership so it's good to get involved and i tell my freshmen this is the exploratory year to to go to different meetings but again make sure you know your limits and your balances you know maybe some maybe you're playing three sports and that's it or maybe you're you're into the final performing arts and you'll do that because they're here i mean they're here right now  science club on math team is fantastic you know this is a club out there we had an activities fear our in october beginning of october we have a list and guidance of the different clubs and activities i think we have a debate team and a mock trial and all kinds of great stuff yeah we could try to look it up yeah i have a list  yeah we could get him to the faculty advisor or there's usually two students that a list and they should sometimes it's you know the ultimate frisbee is i think the faculty advisor is up the street at one of the middle  elementary schools but there are two seniors who run all the practices come to us we'll get you a list tell him to come see me yes absolutely you know it's accountability responsibility earning their own money whether it's part time whether it's in the summer a counselor in training or a counselor over the summer some students do ships job is extremely valuable as well too so a student won't have a lot of activities because they go out and show accountability in the work world that'll be part of that student questionnaire it's called that's of three four page student question the they give to us we have to fill it out at the end the junior  year i think if you're you know i mean a lot of kids try to get into research and turn ship when they're looking to study biology and things like that i think it can be beneficial you know some of them are paid internships a lot of them a volunteer there are companies out there where you pay an extremely amount of money to get internships but yeah it can help i think anything can i mean anything can show well rounded miss whether it's a job an internship an activity you should start a resume and if you go on to the guidance web page and under forms you can do a quick resume that's something we want to look into i have an internship with one of our goals we pulled the seniors exiting last year that we don't do an to interview skills so for the junior class we're going to target them this year and i don't know when we're going to have it some during the day some after school because i know some kids can't do it during the day but how to interview not only for college interviews but for summer jobs as well so so we're going to pilot a program this year for that that's it's a great idea to come up with that list of the activities also because they give out department awards every year and you get on it i mean i have parents but we don't keep a record of that so you would have to have it you know on a will mention the art i mean there are aptitude tests out there we don't have a lot of them but the my is brig type indicator that i think it's on third one now that matches aptitude with ability that can help with deciding on career a and then there are some amazing two year schools that have those specific you know technical and mechanical degrees the other questions you know we need to wrap up soon if you just take a quick look at the testing timeline not going to get into it too much but it's just kind of you know recommendations in i think we talked a little bit about it as well to software as p s c see this subject tests a lot of that's why we're trying to do that soft more breakfast earlier than later because parents when we used to have it in march didn't realize about subject test you know not all schools require it you know a few students in on as advanced placement this still going to have to do some outside work to take these subject tests it's in addition to the regular s a t they want to go along each  but we'll talk more about that and then you just see junior year what we recommend in senior year some seed juniors seniors they have done with the whole testing process they did great junior and they feel they're not going to improve or they're not going to study  yeah i would you just now just go in and see how you do strengths and weaknesses we do have little books in the guidance office it's a little paperback book that big on the a c t a in the s a t with questions i do think the science part you know you need to brush up on that a little bit if for the a c to but yeah i think it's you know it's a very inexpensive pretest and it gives you a pretty good feedback on nice  analysis on the types of question you did well on the types you didn't do well on yeah they will i've had students take juniors take it in october november and i think that's a little early personally myself but i think if there are strong student and you know they've done some prep work and there's different types of you can do whether it's tutoring whether it's through the you know adult ed program here or even a book december on is good in definitely march sometimes they take it in march and then they'll do it in june and maybe maybe we'll do the subject us they have some some of the kids like to take it twice to new year in the latter part of the year anyone more questions know well thank you folks we really appreciate it