off four thousand dollars now obviously this order was entered prior to the last of being on he in the united states whereby a multi billion dollar companies were asked in the united states for hand fiat was a mess and i want to emphasize that to show one thing and that is that he cannot punish somebody and make them pay child support or be he didn't take care of his responsibilities but you cannot punish him for those then i think a lot of clear that if you cannot come up with what is there in the record if you do use the word punish what is there in the record that would show the truck or an extent well i think that wasn't the truck or just out of this mess if you describe it trying to make a determination of what is actually income was the task for purposes  that case the court was mindful to view all the circumstances the statute in five five eight two states the relevant factors are the financial resources and needs of the child the financial resources and needs of the custodial parent the standard of living the child would have enjoyed had the marriage not been dissolved the physical emotional condition of the child his educational  can go down the list of cases that were cited both by mr malta and the state just to make a point here you're not arguing that the amount of child support that was arrived at was on reasonable you're arguing that the process was flawed i'm arguing that the process was flawed not awful arguing that i don't know whether that was reasonable in order to arrive at what is reasonable the poor sho anybody offer evidence of all that nobody offered evidence of the needs of the child nor will they offer evidence of the income of the parents so if that evidence wasn't offered how's the t through the list of cases what is what becomes clear and this is the case law is a mishmash of of you know certain factors that were used to determine this the mother was the war to a five hundred dollars a month in child support the response to that case was a professional basketball player they'd lower it below twenty percent of the guys i mean if it was twenty percent could have been in excess of thirty thousand dollars a mile but they sang the way life style the child number one and with the lifestyle of the child would have been party and they also examine the income of the mother the mother was earning less than eight hundred dollars a month in corona where they could not determine what the respondents income was  in he will all the circumstances and in this case that simply did not have the core simply examined what the net income of the father was could not determine know the focus of this case was on the fact that no real net income could be found in this so other backers could get in should have been wonder wonder formulate the net income of an ob or you must look at the totality of the circumstances look at the needs of the child look at the various incomes of both parties and then make a reasonable award of child support under that particular case in this case that did not now in this case the trout were simply look at my client income and try to determine what is there in them could not determine what his name was and then a figure of one hundred thousand dollars this is not a deviation of die lines case if this is a case where you cannot determine yet in there were cases cited by the stay there were deviation of guideline cases in in particular in