were they are not appropriate and i find it really needs of the planning commission meetings that they did come back with  perhaps more reasonably say what some think about where and recommending that you not even consider what size of love there but that you allow schools to do this as the only allowed to have signs in districts other than commercial now that begs the question in my mind is why is a planning commission focusing on the singular side that is of issue with schools right now it seems like they are in report and submitted to the psych ward prior to the variously nine eighteen hearing to reflect the recommendation and we did not accept it because we would have held another hearing and that was the night of a public hearing and so rather than in thank you thank you thank you so we'll know when the meeting for me to visit us we're going to rearrange the schedule a bit because i have to leave the meeting in eight fifteen at which point katherine will take over the chair so we're going to do all the business stuff first and leave the rivers property to me and i will if it's still going on i will last as long as i can so the first item of the valley park district know we're going around all our seventy seven member towns and meeting with top administrators and managers and it's like we're also conservation committees of the space committees and so forth and so there's we're going to read about the communication and i organization has been in business for forty two years we manage seventeen hundred plus acres of conservation property value conservation property in seven different towns and it's funded through each the relationship with each town is very different depending on a variety of factors it's been a really interesting process learning how things work but i just really wanted to indicate that we are  some flexibility by the lady of both worlds in terms of fund raising and also acting as a municipality we it's strictly you know conservation management we don't have all fields we don't have those types of facilities and so we do i manage twenty five miles of trails and about thirty acres of shoreline and or later portfolio grows incrementally we've got to another parking culture this can be going down the line in the next  months or so so it just you know it's a very i was fortunate i walked into a very efficient organization but just not much over three hundred thousand dollars full time staff of three people to manage all those assets and you know really the whole what's interesting is the whole idea of regional park district and regional cooperation is something that's coming back in vogue again so as i reach out to learn how other people do this business across the country found out that in many ways were ahead of the curve and you know that the whole concept is you know once land is conserved or set aside it is not truly conservative let's have some level of management so we're very focused geographically distinct and open to the public and that's you know that's a permanent so policy that we have so basically what the partner towns have decided to do over the years is to participate in a system whereby all of us have access to each other's conserve lands and for the people who have been active with us over the years we have a very strong constituency of folks use those parks and keeps growing discovery so i just this is more of a i mean you agree but also if you have and i wondered well first of all it says no fires there's always fires what should i do if anything as a concerned citizen about our house let us know about it don't  what is done why the policy was in place i mean you know people are having affairs on the rocks on the near the fall just groups that you know like just groups of kids basically bankers out there to leave things in its natural state as possible but you also cover a recreation so if there's a tree across the path we're going to move it or cut it if it falls into the into the stream that's a bit of a churchman call on the roshan is a huge boundaries be included in the town plan so our expired we have an extension in resort of a fast track where we can get this process complete we can by december here including some language on what plate resiliency which is just another statutory requirement that was added thanks in between the v updates so according to the statute you have that i'll make a motion that we warn public hearings for the dear public comment regarding their most careful comprehensive town plan updates for twenty fourteen scheduled for november eighteenth that there's a market playing commission version there it was in here that are proposed to be deleted a and there are some in here in green they're also proposed to be deleted except for a few of you have two choices really you could choose to warn the original document and treat the plane commission's comments as comments or you could choose to do more in the planning commission version which is what staff recommendation would be considering the time  n meetings were right address not everyone not every single issue but a good deal of so what is the status we have the plan commission chairman here what is the spat us and this is what they work on is this a recommendation is simply a man is what what is the status of their revised version  not be deleted ok ok so all the other underlying right right so they put in a box what they wanted to keep of the green and it's only it's only and you know on the bottom of page sixty people on the playing machine would like to strike the architectural standards all together so where are you with that do you are you guys in agreement what we found as we were through this process of year arms around the from one member who didn't want the regulations adopted at all to a number of them who felt that i had an issue with the concept of regulations that call people what to do with their property in terms of what you have but what it came down to and we spent a lot of time with some sort of something to share that we're going to move this forward and what we did come with to agreement on what is that while not everybody was crazy about the design standers  philosophically they did everyone did agree that the changes that the consoles put forth you know in his comments and also in his additional saying promise in greenwich was well if you did like that stuff this is stuff that's related that's sort of similar on a couple things there was a motion to straighten the whole architectural design standard from the regulations in the past and that that did not go motion to that effect i'll make a motion that we hold a public hearing on thursday nov twentieth at seven pm to hear public comments regarding the post amendment to the jericho land use and filming regulation s year so i'll just i'll just start with just a really just cover this main from right which list projects the first one being a fire alarm for the highway garage that had been discussed in the past and if you recall getting recommendation from the fire department that we do that we're putting that in there the jericho center library you'll be hearing a final presentation about that in december with years regarding the septic design yesterday so we don't have a final figure i had to put something in here so that's very well it's just obviously one thing that i'm going to discuss with you later in the year typically we do our paving in the fall and we didn't do the fall paving this year because we did it's going kahlo and so one of the things i'm contemplating is for the next year that we update of the public work specs and from what the last meeting your proof the graph location and then something that's been hanging out there was you know we had that planned for jericho center which was the raised crosswalk  now that you have some experience with speed table like things i figured i'd put this back in front of you for our discussion because we did we did relocate the cross walk to where that plans s me yeah death right and it was additional parking so that's for bridges and coverts we've been pretty busy with that so we're just really looking at doing some improvements you know the one below scoping study looking at how we connect the neighborhoods on the river you know when models clover to the sidewalk system here and then we also received  design and construction grant to make a much better crossing at jolly similar to what they have a failing and to make a crossing at dickinson  open until you adopt the budget that way if you see how this fits into the bigger budget you want to make some tweaks you can do so if you have an leave when we get our presentation of the transportation plan that talks about birds we're trying to wrap that up you know because i was looking at some of the thing yeah i mean in the future like th well kim and i heard a lot of comments from the public at the last meeting and because there was a change in the process we thought we needed to continue discussing this so that people are aware of what you know we're thinking of in terms of what does the nine binding question mean was it mean for the future plus for you know we also felt it wasn't fair that you didn't hear what the public had to say or the public didn't get to hear what you had to say about the the question so that's why we we keep talking about everyone needs the education is not everybody even understand why we would want to keep the rivers property or just to save it you know we just opened it up to the public well i opened my views that an open ended question should the town purchase something without any indication of price terms conditions is a meaningless question it's because it's an easy a logical question yes i think not the subject and i basically am very very skeptical of it illogical questions being put to people in local government happens a congressional level of time but i think public  you know local business ought to be much more pragmatic basis asking people do you want to buy something without any notion of price terms conditions what you're going to do with that is an empty question so of view this is a pointless exercise but i'm a vote of one and i lose that vote so it will go forward i guess well it was very clear from the discussion that people there was still there was there was interest in perhaps pursuing a purchase and it could be a two part situation whereby the public actually weighs in on how they feel about purchasing it and then you go ahead and from there have it much more firmly crafted detail purchased and seals agreement that the public understand it but this point if you said to the town purchased the property for a dollar ninety eight the answer would be yes to the proper pound purchase of property for nineteen million and so will be no it's a meaningless question in the absence of some idea some reasonable idea of what the deal is or could reasonably expected it to consider this if the town votes no the fact is whether it's advisory or not it's over it's in fact select board it's done ok i'm not going to fight about it it's a pointless exercise i think the whole thing is a pointless exercise but fighting about it is also for us so it's over you voted for it go for it's have going to happen would you like to hear some public comments and i'm of course it's not your fault that public comments are more than welcome at any time but you've made the decision so it's ok but this is also educational because you know we have now a fact sheet that people can understand what it would mean and what it would mean going forward that you know i nonviolent you know we don't get if you're right we don't have a specific action but we want to get his input from as many individuals as possible and people can go out those that are invested in seeing what happens to the various property because there is a differential between whether the meeting we heard from the fire department he never voted again no matter what we heard at the meeting the last two weeks ago was that the select court had asked to delay the vote until town meeting the select board actually voted to proceed on that and on that particular proposal they saw that the fire department membership the official membership also voted in favor of that deal however because they had delay because it they may have voted on the wrong one and had to come back and the whole thing last a month we concluded that we did not have enough time to explain this deal because it is fairly complicated and to hold a man and a and of vote on our november fourth when we didn't have time to have public meetings explain the thing was foolish that is too complicated it's not fair to ask people to vote on something that's hard numbers that really difficult and so we went to the celeb to the fire department and said yes we we're proposing to postpone it the fire department did not vote on the rivers committee which is a subcommittee and is not an official spokesman for the fire department after all said regardless of what's going to be on the ballot in november who cares her question is very specific and it's for you ted not for us if it's our fault of late please don't interrupt is there a possibility that we are going to vote on this exact same deal on town meeting day are you are you personally going to try to revive that for the vote on town meeting day and do you feel that that the deal is still valid and will it be i have absolutely no i absolutely no idea so you haven't spoke to anybody since that's a very part of it that all of the fire department as a as an official entity never responded randy clark and the other members of the e mail response from the fire department goes right into the rivers the community ok the reverse committee of the fire department that was read to us and so there's not many men there was and there was a pretty clear statement that the agreement said it had to be voted on in november and so what we heard at the meeting is likely that this agreement is nolen void because we're not voting on it in november it was a lesson voted to be put that was allocation whether the whether the is where where to what is the next step forward because we know that the agreement you know tim can clearly see and look at the video from the last meeting all there were a large number of people who were here who were very much against that ballot for a variety of different the sense and i think there were a lot of very valid concern from from people i think that as a member of the public i'd like to understand what's going forward i thought it made a lot of sense to put the what's on the ballot because the agreement could have been voted down and it may be that the town supports buying the land but doesn't like that deal and repeat it and so i actually think that having it on the ballot here is the select board some direction as to whether or not there is can support for the select board to continue with this and if that comes up no then there really isn't it's then yeah back to where it was before the software got involved and if there is town support for it then it depends on whether or not the fire department wants to come back to the negotiating table and i would and if they are at that point i would urge to use never who's ever at that table to have user input sessions feedback sessions from counts people i think that there are we understand that the negotiations needed to be private i think what was very frustrating to a lot of folks was that there were no feedback sessions from those people who  representing the town to get input on what the town could and couldn't support that doesn't mean you have to tell us what the negotiating was there was even listening sessions for what townspeople wanted and out of this effort and so i would urge moving forward that if this continues there really needs to be some feedback sessions before the folks from the town go back to the table if indeed that happens membership and so forth of a get higher up of their spokes person and i think i understand not the way to be so all the official response of the fire department as it was written or what the agreement is before date by which time the town totality of the town with whether they will in terms of whether they interpret the failure to vote on november fourth to mean the whole deal is off or not i have no idea even the even the rivers committee did not say that they simply said they would like to see it happen they did not say if it doesn't happen on november fourth the whole deal is off i and then there was a statement that the town would be voting on the four there is no clarity on whether if the town does not focus before the fire department is backing out of the field there is no statement on that question it's line from randy clarke on behalf of the rivers committee saying that the things voted by voted on by the by the membership had to as the november fourth deadline in it and they would like out there isn't there isn't anything more than what we've told you and it's not clear not that there's nothing else here i've written documentation of the correspondence between the fire department fire department committee and the slightly more yes it this also allows more time if the public want to go forward we actually could come up with something that's much more clear in detail as opposed to because there was a lot of s one thing it was explicit the collateral question would have to be finalized and was not finalized that document everything else was about the other people may not like the document as far as your understand that that's different from saying the document is not also not there and you know based on my discussion of the town lawyer i mean he said that the fire department had to actually subdivided the land before we could even purchase it from the  back to get yes we could not my piece of property and have them get give it back to them they had to sort of divide first and with an act of two fifty per minute you very very difficult to subdivide them and the land right minimise the cost of the taxpayer and that would mean subdividing that if you've got an active two fifty permit and it doesn't expire until twenty one thousand or something that makes it very difficult the guy you know the town doesn't like the deal that's fine and perfectly perfect attempt genuine opportunity to study it understand that discuss it have public hearings on that get their views out get their questions answered all that sort of thing and that couldn't happen by november fourth that was simply impossible now it looks like there's a good chance it will never happen at least it was describing which is do we want to go after it and if we do is that the deal we want or would we rather have something else i mean now that you know what they want you can find several things to get them what they want well they'll still obtain a i mean i think that needs to be going to that's the case that's simple enough today chris said to people before the november otherwise it's just like my interpretation is that is exactly we are not if the town says no to this we are not going to go back to the drawing board and try and go she can deal with the fire department that he's going to happen if the town is that we don't want to be the table at all we don't want to buy and we don't want part of it is that the property should be cept i did before the town tries to buy any of it that we should be responsible for the gravel pit and maybe other parts but that it needs to be subdivided first because it's just it just needs to be and then the other thing that people keep saying to me is why isn't some conservation organization getting involved and i mean i'm not seeing any specific i'm just saying maybe working in conjunction with that if what we're looking for is to conserve parts of it and there are a ton of really knowledgeable people who know how to do that that are already in the business of doing that and the town doesn't need to be the agent for that but the town can support and collaborate with that if that's you know if that's the goal but that what i'm hearing from people is that buying the whole thing at market value and having the fire department hold the whole the the know is not the most popular thing out there not very  popular other groups the top even people even people that want even people that are avid supporters of the idea of saving property are not in favor of this deal that was put forth so on i think it would be helpful to know or ask for a formal response from the fire department about whether or not they're willing to continue negotiations after november if they're not the threshold question seems meaningless they better not go for a membership meeting before the november well and the only thing that you know the free press to question what is on the ballot is should the select board on behalf of the town pursue the purchase of the property from the fire department for all or portions of the property at seventy five rounds trace road also known as the rivers property part that everybody really truly wants to save is the gateway the entrance to jericho center really ham you know pastors on both sides but we went into the discussions with the idea that the only way to keep the cost down for the town once we get down to taxpayers once we got the appraisals was that it would have to be some portions of it would have to be developed that's the only way it was cost effective  that people want to do is to save the gateway i mean there are other mechanisms after say after the fire department you know subs divides it and we just pursue which you know people want to say you can pursue that particular property you know purchase or you know there may be you know the land trust could be involved that you know just as very specific piece of property  r you know there may be with the rule residential zoning if somebody wants to put in houses that could be the the open space for it and the town would have to pay for anything it would still be preserved as open space but you know because the reason many questions from so many people that it makes sense to pursue it in piecemeal fashion you know with the generalized you know people who really want to conserve the land you know mobilize folks to go out and vote yes then you know then we start issue originally initial the arrangement the agreement with the fire department the fire department asked for the fire negotiating committee asked that we put in that that between at that time we were talking about voting in november fourth but this was back in april a long time ago looked like there was masses of time before november for at that time they asses to put into the agreement  if another deal came for some developer came out of the woodwork and offered something that in the fire department's better view was better would w open to considering we said ok yes as long as we can be convinced that but it's better from both sides that was part of the original initial agreement wasn't voted on by anybody it was and we said ok let's look at that in the spirit of the of the agreement the initial so we started having discussions this was this was not somebody came to us or anybody we saw this was somebody gone to the fire department and said i'm interested in talking about buying so we had extensive the gushy ations with that company to see what the deal is what  what are our purpose was to wind up with preserving the key part of the property at no cost to the taxpayer not zero that was the purpose and the only way you can do that is to use is to develop those portions of the property that aren't in the in the gate way and get some money out of them so that that enables us to pay the fire department for the cost and hopefully we do it so that fire so the taxpayers don't pay a penny but you don't know whether that's going to work so talking to develop a talking at length in detail with the developer is a way of finding out what the real possibilities are for getting money out of the other parts of the property that actually was very interesting and one of the things they actually were interested in developing that bar as an adjunct to that particular developer particularly want to tell of the fifteen acres that is zone quarter acre in long plains road and they wanted to develop that in conjunction with a public space that would be that would be in the gateway territory but which would be community farm community garden kind of thing and to which the barn barn would be developed and added it would be part of that community community farm community gardens and they consider that that's a very attractive package in the real estate market today and would enable them to sell the house plots on the fifteen acres quicker and better and for a better price if it was connected to this and the so in fact coming from then they thought that barn was a valuable resource and they were in it they don't understand what it was so well you know there  now we stopped that negotiation i was interested and my reason for pursuing it was to absolutely minimize the financial risk to the town of this whole transaction  of the city developer putting up front a bond to us an nonrefundable bond to the town from which would be paid the first four or five years of the of the payments so the to the fire department and that was on the table that was they were going to do that in the end we stopped that negotiation because there was a sense properties possibilities really are what its revenue generating capabilities really are so it was a useful exercise even though we stopped it and the ball this whole big story was the barn was not viewed by those guys to be a waste of time absolutely process and our our goal was to have this whole process be public and to immediately bring you know even deal with the developer no matter whether they're good better indifferent was not part of our you know was not public  and we felt that that subverted anything we had said at the november and december meetings that the river's property any anything that would happen to it would be a public discussion seems like we're making a whole bunch of assumptions if we put together a deal that  know their town to buy this property and we don't really know really even now i'm glad personally i'm glad that they were putting this question out because anecdotes and even hearing from you folks and even hearing from the people who came a year ago to look and we're arguing on all sides then no that is is a really good sample of what people really feel it's is that because you know based on subsequent you know learning about this one nine hundred fifty and what it means subdivided all the liability with a gravel pit i mean the town doesn't need that responsibility that you know we're here to to try to have resolve the issues of last november without you know putting ourselves at  state the only the official member of the c d c is the town it would be a mechanism by which say the town vote yes and we end up getting everything all the property including development stuff except the part that the fire department wants and the gravel pit because that there isn't a natural break there let's say that goes by by well because of the staff time and everything  it would require to have the input from the public of what you want to see done of actually vetting developers to make sure that you do have a good quality developer this would be the role of the c d c they would you know we'd pass the property over to them and then they would actually do the financials i mean it would be taxpayer money you know there's a soon as you think a contract year you have to put some kind of  sell off the house that certain amount of money that gets the loan that part alone gets paid off and then you you know develop the other section of property and you know you have money there but you need the c d c to actually vet these people because none of us have the time to really invest in that you really want somebody good but there would be a huge public process before that but then then that the money that is earned by that is pays off the rest of the loan and the c d c you know generates the income  to pay off balance exactly and yet it's all transparent it would all be open to the public because that's all part of their charter that we made sure that everything they have to follow the open meeting laws all those kinds of things here going over and over and over to show the whole oh well i mean the important thing is you want to have as many people you know you're you've you've been conscientious and intended a lot of that it's important to have as many public hearings even if it's on the same topic as possible because each time where people will come different people and you really want to have as much pub the input and public information out there as you can i mean that's the real key even though you know we don't need a whole you know we don't think this is a very this was a very special piece of property to a lot of people and there was a real issue last fall that was dividing the community pretty severely and we you know we were asked to try to help you know do something and this is what the process ended up being any other questions comments to say thank you so much all of you who have come and read the documents and yes and and i feel like the this debate has been really respectful and ratably helpful and i'm so thankful to live in this town where people are so much so smart and aware and i just want to say thank you so much for being part of this sort of conversation and for advising and taking part and you know people are interested in you know and want to work to have the vote passed i mean that's up to them or you know if you will just say here i mean but you know it's really in the hands of the voters and where we go from here and then everything else is going to be up to the public after that as well you know we can do what we can with zoning but you know other than that really like the dream do the same thing every time i think in a lot of his intro to this interview you still are those that do this when you know had to mother in things on a bit you know i don't know whether yeah well you know whether because i've been to several of them it's and then one seventy five ms rector discussed alternative ways of moving forward including filing a complaint with the attorney general period and i just wanted to say add to that because it's for the record that i think she said that you could file a complaint with the attorney general for the general repeal of the fire department's certificate of public good and i think that should be in the minutes you should let me because the wonder why boards it would be public if we were doing work sessions with one select group member and staff with their chief to you know work through the process of what we want to see that would not be public it would be public but it would be advert advertised as a meeting right yeah anybody could come in but we would never try to get the right that's it but what would come out of those meetings would be public you know because you know looking into you know for down purposes thinking down the road when it's appropriate to renegotiate the contract it will be much more different contract well i you know there's nothing as i read the agreement there's nothing that would that stipulates that you can require that there's nothing that says you can get inside that which means you could require you could call them boyce's and say need supporting documentation  know trust me i've been through all this i don't i want more than just what i've seen in the audits i think there needs to be more not only more clarity but more documentation of expenses and what was said just a staff has started looking into is now you've got underhill jerko in the fire department in one agreement so you would need the other to be willing to renegotiate earlies have the fire department renegotiate with jericho maybe we have a separate contract with them and underhill has a contract skill because if they do that that says sends a very clear message i think we have and you know that's something that the whole board has to discuss it has to be warned i don't before we make any of those kinds of things i mean right now it's