issue i can understand an argument based on medium claims and the system claims the apparatus claims the software is present on the devices that your that were manufactured correct is still code for causing the server to do certain things but many products are made or sold there but oftentimes you have to plug it in turn it on an activity but if it isn't there and hear of a store that then satisfies the product her first role in her to a system that has a security policy yes interface yes then a comparative or for comparative certain things and a logical engine for preventing execution down notables those are all there whether they're turned on plugged in activated on law they're all there and the only contrarian they've made is they took some testimony from an expert who testified that an engine is something that has an active steps before and they say well that requires active steps but the fact that an engine when it's being used to your experts testimony i mean i'm looking for the district court's determination well district course or titles without plain ordinary meaning which is what the court did here as long as there's a specific dispute is not presented to it and here there is one specific claims because the whole point of the security system here is an incoming messages do not go to the client they go to a security system which can do the security screening and then either forward or not the message to the client so just apply it's not something we can have a hypothetical meaning here so be inconsistent with the way to make sure that you understand this the entire code is that each and every one of the products and the reason gus important not a technicality is that the market this is an integrated product if you get some good if there's one hit wonder one of the best documents i think is from their marketing manual which then page thirty six eighty six of the joint appendix under the heading why do people buy web watch they say that people buy web washer because it combines the first point rights to things proactive scanning which is everyone testified was the next wave the big deal of computer security scanning with multiple antivirus engines so it's the combination of those two things together that drives demand for this integrated product and in addition they then explain a little bit below that people want an integrated product so that they can initially activate functionality they think they need i activate this functionality properly others want the ability to be able to add it later if they want to without a whole new without having to buy a whole new system which is why this is important point this is why they mark everyone agrees they marketed very heavily in the proactive scanning was in this product they call it the fission killer after they did after the competition because this was the technology people wanted and this is how they could kill the engine and the the other evidence that that helps to show all of this because if you look at the marketing that we had to show that sales of one drove the sales of the other in order to establish a world to base was never mentioned once in the district or and that's important because if it was that we would have had the opportunity to put on evidence of the point the jury of his first is being reviewed would have had the opportunity  point in our favor the jury instructions simply told the jury that this type of consideration was one of the fifteen discretionary georgia pacific factors that it could consider as part of its overall analysis so what they're now asked for is entirely below his report is not part of the record but it's one who testified from that report he committed over two exhibits a minute report to the specifically testified to it was also a just briefly both parties experts agreed that it's typical in the field inappropriate here to award a world sea based on between twenty five and thirty three percent of the operating office our experts testified that it was appropriate to be at the high end of that range here were the factors that were testified to but these were direct competitors but it was keystone technology the fundamental next wave of technology that you had to have to be competitive according to the according to this group seem to be going to market or seek testified that and the other side this was of course to get raised into a wall so that it was the dispute then as between the plain ordinary meaning versus the meeting inserted in the european proceeding pages starting on page three forty seven