oh yeah well it was like that here for for a few years but unfortunately the the wireless just didn't work very well that's why we went back to this here so now the only problem is feedback ok so i would like to call the order of the south burlington city council meeting of monday july sixteenth twenty eighteen will begin with the pledge of allegiance him to is an instruction on exiting the building in case of emergency if we have an emergency this evening everybody please leave by one of these two doors proceed directly out into the parking lot to the south and gather there it is not available go back out the main entrance that you came in and out the front of the city hall and around to the parking lot behind us tom bird and i will be responsible for making sure the building is clear so do not hesitate urgency is declared thank you item three is the agenda review are there any additions deletions or changes in order of agenda items dave dave asked the ahead on the agenda ok so we're not sure where you would put that but well we probably can't put it in front of eight because that's the public hearing perhaps right next which has been adopted by the agency of natural resources and i questioned at the meeting why the utility is not taking them over after two thousand to stand even though the state is now hoping for everybody who in two thousand and seventeen stand and he says that's just when you know they're going well and i am just questioning there with reality that seventeen climate coalition pledge which improved course last year i thank you for that by the way and also concerning the two thousand and fourteen resolution for energy asking for that so maybe we need a little more structure they think to us also to establish a little bit of a gateway area at the corner of dorset street and we'll soon road this is also similar to some of the things that we had done the last children road which was some corner standards  really trying to have like a nice corner imprisons for some architectural features and corners of buildings and to modify up her story glazing requirements so that was about the the step back  there was some people were having trouble with having the glass be set back a certain distance from the the front of the building so it didn't always work with architectures it's tight so that's just kind of a tweak you know we have committed to really making the farm base code area work and we tried some things there and that was one of the things that we're having some like the parking lot to be located in the area so after talking about it for a while it made sense to us that have things like parking lots and so on me and it from our sense but we wanted to make sure that we weren't going to have residential about with the work that we have done in city center and really looking at walkable neighborhoods is the idea of actually having a little bit mixed use in some of our districts that may not allow that in the past primarily residential districts and what we're proposing is to have a small amount of commercial with some limitations on sizes and the types in those you know the idea is that you could have like a small corner neighborhoods can really walk to places like fan we got a lot of feedback through the whole force base code process that a lot of people of even outside city center like the idea of their neighborhoods having things like this so this is kind of catching up with that and we parameters under which this is allowed and so it needs to be a master planned community meaning that it has a two year b approval as a master plan needs to be at least fifty fifty two well in units so it can't be just a little master plan of four where they put up a commercial building and it really is designed as part of a neighborhood working buildings to be very close to the street the planning commission felt that there may be circumstances where it doesn't make sense for example if a village having to be more than fifteen or twenty feet from th and that so that would apply in these commercial ones along dorset street near the no market in delhi and mumbai riots o c it's where i believe that the board had already wrestled with that with that one when that was approved and they are made in the fifteen twenty but it's on the inner st not one sixteen in that case so does that give the d r v some flexibility but also  clear parameters so we don't end up in court over different proposals yes i mean that's the balance of rights of there's the the the the newsstand the both the new stand a standard that applies and all the rest of the design standards that apply of the commercial still speak to the overall relationship to the street having a maximum of fifteen twenty feet  is it's a pretty tight standard naaman it works well for certain residential uses and it could work in a historic village but one sixteen spear street are really historic villages and so i think it meets the standard and needs to  standards there's amount of windows there's frequency of doors there's the rooftops need to have certain standards so there is in some are stronger ones and there newly added as a twenty sixteen this ga a little half step above that of speaking of two specific intersections so the intersection of dorset street and boston road how they relate to that corner so that doesn't apply here but it does apply along the major intersections on shelburne road now so doesn't apply in front of stables but there isn't really an intersection so much there yet it's something the commission can certainly look into it and so it's not retroactive  possible but probably not near future and then just to remind me the call of the landscaping on those corners is that part of this or is but i thought it was partly in response to or it wasn't done because of the all the state improvements along that road are we looking to that will get back to the city manager because it really is questions david do you have any ok all right are there any comments from the public thank you for your hard work i know these things don't come easy all right well we're almost back on schedule let's go back to item six announcements and the city managers report mentioned in the application so for the city match they're looking for grants requests that leverage nonparty tax and they specified to district financing as one of the sources  provide more storage and all along in the interim development occurred between the here's three in dorset street to the point where the water slides were now interconnected and interlude as a standard practice suddenly the spirit waterline and that whole area was also being served occasionally i will undertake predominately the flows for that part of town  served right off the main line however there's a small part of the day ten percent or so in which if you live in that area you turn your fos on the water is actually coming out of a tank you know i think at that time the city and it however there are agreements with other member communities are the communities actually own the volume and the storage within the paint so they own the structure we own in this case the two point one million gallons capacity of the tank however they now require your they don't require our water system sharpens water system everyone systems to have sufficient water storage volume in the event that your main source of supply in our case service plant down a park road in the event that there's some sort of emergency and we're not we're not able to get water to our traditional means we are required to have one day's worth of domestic demand again take so it's a pretty small amount klausz over in the furthest eighty one thousand gallons of water storage to allow two things to happen one for them to be in compliance with their state water permits and two for constant contemplat lot of good momentum in the recent couple months it's been approved by their celeb board as well as their board of commissioners which unlike you folks they have a separate board of water commissioners here plus to serve and  turning them off not that he would ever devised to do such but now this would guarantee them in perpetuity in one thousand gallons it does not harm the city itself burlington's development potential there's a couple few decades worth of growth vailable with that water tank so it's such time in which we would need more water we would have to build enough another water faked with or without children's inclusion of any one thousand gallons so house on the street down on speer street kind of the furthest part of way from this taking their predominant source of water is the spear street water main however when champlain water district is doing different things with their entire system of pumping water during these last sixty or so days when the water tank was being repaired repainted yet they made sure that they were pumping water in the south bronx in a more regular basis because we did not have the backup domestic supply with them t to have good relations or a neighbor write him a hand presentation of the resolution in support of so whose face is twenty twenty concept which is the public library slash ability to provide good programs to our seniors and it will provide another one of your in the meeting space which we have here for a very long time and so it's just  only last week i believe it was thursday to begin to think about advocacy and the advocacy that we can all do together i didn't get the meeting is called on the same page so i'm getting all everybody on the same page to something really new and the whole city cut center concept is is something new and it's going to be an asset so i think beyond what we can do you can vision you know so i think understand that the concept we didn't put forward a resolution per year review we understand that it probably will not be passed tonight but we do want to clarify that we are working forward with the concept that we have working with and so we just wanted to make sure that you're aware of that that if there is any indication to go in different direction that we would need to have that indication if we're going to change as we look at the floor plans these are very similar in many respects to what we've seen a few small changes here and there and i'll go through some of those what we have kind of highlighted areas of the areas are the already poor space the auditorium as well as the library made entrance stair and the living room portion of that area so what's what's within those red boxes  dropbox for the library to also receive books in their off hours ok clear that this occurs at the immediate right of the vestibule as you enter the building right kind of front and center in the front once you enter we have the information desk and city yes just to the left and the entrance to the library movie just to the right so you kind a different configuration of the stair that's in the library a few different reasons for that development one is we feel that this auction can allow more light into librar continuing to do allow that to evolve there's a few areas that we're considering median levels of cost in terms of finishes that primarily the senior center and specific portions of the children's library that we feel deserve a little extra area special recognition those would be the story time area's been tweens area and the space  near the streets to help encourage people to go inside the library as well as we move up to the second floor that continuation of the fire finishes with a monumental stair that's probably the highest cost area of what we're trying to do in that space is to bring natural lighting from above down into that stairway to penetrate all the way to the first floor it's also a very central location to enter the library so there is you see a lot of different things have been around you as we look at the medium cost areas we see those as as special and different areas but not quite as expensive they just have a little bit of extra interest within them as we move up to the third floor we go to visit any areas that are of high cost in particular we do think that the nicer of the finishes will be within kind of the main gathering space where the floor kind of at the top of the screen you start to get into what's happening on the second floor it's actually what you don't notice it was trying is you know the natural light coming from the sky li top left corner is a little bit of the feel of what the living room could be this is this is just an example of it but it's a lot of glass along the street wall with a lot of light in there could be you pull up the piece more clean it and i never put the same one down or you replaced it with one so really you know how the car fit in public spaces can get pretty junky looking after a while that this is some inspiration images for the lobby and information desk what we're looking at here bottom left this is view from the rear house if you of the image on the top left is the use of of wood but also it was part of an educational aspect of this table with it it is and it could have additional information was part of education on the longer operational saving the look of the project we're also exploring fields are whole heating cooling for the project we do have some modeling complete we're currently going through the process of and sum receivables for the account every year which we have most of the most of the funding for fifty percent and so it wouldn't necessarily need to come out of the city share and we don't have to provide fifty percent match  service but just a few more minutes ok but that sounds like run through it fairly quickly but just go right to what was being mentioned there's different types of value management doors looking at there's some savings to it as well as program benefits we really we do have the option of right now we have a stair that goes to the room which is happening underneath facility there is going to be mechanical equipment that happen t reducing always save money other things that we're looking at we had some money in the budget for a moment frames part of the structural system we can do that was extensively by bray's frames changing insulation types and cetera changing to high hydraulic the leaders instead of traction there's plenty of options there potential savings with some design pattern would be reducing the amount of roof terrace on the north side reducing social finishes in the high impact area they discussed earlier the larger element would be removing the skylight over the library stairway and further reducing the article finishes on the outside caps reducing st  and we could reduce the terror syria saving which may reduce the building value over time if we were to eliminate the solar array that's an additional cost but it's a cost that character's savings in the future we could not pursue the geothermal system there's an upfront costs associated with that we're determine just how much we think it might not be actually that much but it does have moves into the building they need this the school district needs the building because of their just first administrators team among their schools and they need to do some free up some space for their core educational act he's there so from the very beginning we talked about the school about with the school about having them move in here and by the space that was part of the agreement with the m o u we have a school district should be discussing ways we can refine this project without sacrificing quality experience with the building and i had a lot of time but enough to know that when it comes down to it if you really start to meeting and then i think the important element is that this will continue to be a public building businesses we all work for the same taxpayers the school district and the city council and this will continue to be the taxpayers building the school that directives i've said as long talk to us about the need to acquire additional space this just so happens to work for them because it's right across the street from two of their  schools so i think the fact is if if if we were going to abandon the state and with space that would sit empty for some number of years waiting to be sold that would be a different issue but the school district will to look at the costs it would be hard to imagine they would say no we don't want this building for the ten dollars per gonna sell it just doesn't versus no we really like to increase and what we're really important piece is one of the things that i think all of those agreement was that has the structure the new building had to really have a wow factor so i think we have to think about that when we go back to what things can be if we just make it like every other building when filling up with that design and for historians and i think the public would lose their excitement and interest over that so that was one thing i think the other one of the other comments that the pre of us agreed upon is that there needs to be least in some places some really nice material some special to spend of the taxpayers dollars and how much to go to them and ask for more raise and be able to do that in a responsible said work but we have we have injected before us right we have a lot of  and think about some other reductions i don't know what the dollar figure is but i think you've already done some of that with the staircase and some of the finishes and maybe looking at the so i understand there's a number of the public who would like to comment on the so blue spaces twenty twenty so yeah chris you want to be project that's being proposed there's a couple of questions that we have one is we understand that there's a resolution that is being considered by the city council  and if the resolution is passed whether it's or saying it's not going to be discussed tonight but in the future if it is passed can modifications be made to the approval or  alternate concepts to be taken up we just want to understand what sort of flexibility does this city have in terms of modifications after that resolution has the potential of being approved so so in terms of the pencil what you're what types of changes you're talking about i suppose chris the general dimensions of the building would probably be pretty well set up the major components where the rooms are now would probably be pretty much set after the council approves the concept the work will continue on design inside but will be on the smaller scale things so i think that that sort of hits to one of our concerns is that so we're the current owner of the property and are planning to sell the property to the square at the end of september of this year and there's really some constructibility questions about how the  library footprint works jason to us because our current access to our building is over your what will be your future a lot and we understand that there some plumbing ery ideas of how to access the garage however there is a construct constructibility in how it gets done in what it looks like at the end and usability i would assume at the end the other building coincides with those required items and it looks as though the building does take up the majority of the lot he doesn't consider those items there's ways to work through these issues we just haven't  gave to this city during the administrate a permit process along the northern boundary line and that will affect the parking area of the c square building and so we just want to understand what that is so there are three real constructibility questions that we have in our concern is if the resolution passes and the footprint basically has to say the same there's no flexibility for those items and so we are concerned about that and more than willing to participate with the staff and with the architect and say designers  and we did have a meeting at the end of march but haven't been a part of any other meetings with regards to the site since then so those are our concerns and we just want to make sure that you don't go down the road that we are are in that you know let's say gets approved and then there has to be substantial changes to the building to accommodate some of these can constrict ability she ok good point i mean i think certainly we have got well we have to work with the school district as well in terms of the road going in the bus safety absolutely piece of and we clearly need to work with you because right now your access is underneath a lot you know where we want to build a library that's exactly right so we just want to make sure that we understand what that is before the resolution is made so that therefore there's not a problem down the road because we certainly want to be supportive thank you thank you  symbiotic plan and i want to echo some of christmas concerns and just let you know kristen can and i met with kevin this past week to talk about these issues and we would like to be part of coronation of site design because that could bring cost savings and and make it workable and i want to reiterate about the easement along the northern side that could potentially connect to mary st we are concerned about that we think that it would blow definitely take away critical parking spaces from our lot which is it's a beautiful lot as a beautiful building but it's our smallest slot within our portfolio as to compared to how many units are there so you can imagine that having it be completed we don't want to lose any parking spaces on that site and a road going to break through if it was connected to mary street we've had safety concerns for residents many of whom are frail seniors so i just to state that we are concerned about potential connection to mary street hoping that we can look for alternatives while things are still in draft form and we invite the opportunity to work with the design team in these court nation  access location questions and i also wanted to just reiterate our city our thanks to the city for all the alan square support we have about one hundred sixteen applicants right now oh great working through super thanks thank you maybe we have seven people some of whom are appointed so there are four openings and first up is barb service and we have a bunch of questions i can start meghan sent some so she's not able to join us she's in toulouse i think tonight park task force along with the help of my colleagues and have a lifetime of experience writing grants and those kinds of  how do you approach problems or issues i try to be patient sometimes i'm better at it than others but certainly looking at all of the and as many sides of an issue if i've learned nothing else in this life i've learned that there are at least as many as five or six different perspectives on any given issue trying to trying to have an open mind to listen to all of those before i result of what i think is the best idea you have experience doing online research i do that's another one of those things that when when you're an academic that's the kind of thing that that you end up doing and i think i probably do more of it in retirement than i did even when i was working i didn't think that was possible but it seems to be a lifelong pursuit even in retirement and her last question how much time do you have availed to research best practices or makes site visits it depends on the week some weeks i have more time than others it just i will certainly try to do what i can to adjust my schedule i've already indicated to people that i am not here in the winter but the dog park task force and i learned that a cell phone is a magical thing and i can partizan fit in meetings and that sort of thing from where ever wife seems to be putting me at any given moment so technology makes that a whole lot easier than it used to be ok those are meghan's questions i thought they were just glad to see apply for a committee and i was looking for another one with an open spot will be traveling a lot next year to me but i'm committed to at least trying to help the community get started and go through the transition from the task force to committee and bringing forth the to yeah ok ok thank you thank you very much thank you for applying the next we have linda chase on recent skills but yes i have written grants a number of them on task force beyond what committees were doing and i would developed you know programs for individuals or you know just something extra so i'm pretty driven what is it that seems to be the most important i think you always gather facts and you kind of take it from the broader way to come up with priorities talk about dogs and yeah for years i've been researching around dog parks and i find it very exciting to think about something for only ten developing  i think a good business is decided to locate in the community and stay in the community because of the right idea factors some of which are amenities such as city center it's just the general look and feel the community of the fact that's moving  policy or approach for the city is going to have to first identify what kinds of businesses do we want what businesses do best and sell them and match those with our goals and i'm sure a lot of businesses that wouldn't want to be here self select out the ones that we want probably already starting to be attracted to this but we need to articulate what makes sense what kind of businesses should come to  to i've said this to kevin and others many times when i talk to people outside of south burlington they say well there's a lot of great places you could start a business and some people do with some really good but many maybe start businesses across across from you know both both the sort of physical space working with value out of employers in the region and also particularly focused on workforce and workforce development  your identity so you have sort of a sort of soft things the soft conditions for for opportunity in for growth and that's usually what attracts you know someone off times they're there because they're there but then actually we've all made everyone makes those are economic choices for what's important to them and i think the sort of having recognizing and being very intentional with how sort of your economic or employment needs over the lattice the the health and vitality of your community it's pretty pretty core to kind of who we are when we do you know determine what our identity is going to be as a city and sort of who we are just in vermont general need to reach out and sort of lean on the existing infrastructure that's here both from the city and then from other committe area of opportunity that we've been taking a look at is we have career and technical education in particular so i am hopeful that there will be areas where we can really bring that to the forefront i know you know on a national stage this is a pretty hot hot area of conversation  we want to provide a stake in working out particularly because we have you know declining population in general and so we need to be doing is focusing on sort of the people who are here and try to see how we can retain them so i would i would hope that that would be an area that the he mission statement or anything on the economic advisory council but i would love to make an impact or volunteer and help out if that makes sense for all my background his having worked about twenty years at i all over the country but most of the last five years of my career here removed here twenty three years ago and loves of burlington have had business experience and technology in hardware and software technology components and have worked as a manager in new england and then as a national manager and as a worldwide manager so i've had lots of different general manager kinds of jobs done fifty percent or almost doubled in growth and coming up with a city center an identity that we haven't had in the past they think is critical and i applaud all of you for going through all those steps to get us to this point it's it is going to draw in i believe it's a great selling point for bringing businesses into here and making investments in this community and were great space great time in our in our manager of business development or something because i do believe you get to do some outbound things like that you can talk to commercial realtors who have to go to you know the chains and try to say come on in to this town with a burlington on the turkish marketplace or great economic develop a story i didn't public relations and marketing for thirty years originally i actually started as a community development officer in massachusetts so i do see both sides of the coin but i really think there's a as i'm saying a great story to tell here and i don't think it gets out as much as it should and i don't think if i was consistently as it should and getting that message out of the key element of economic development if people don't know what the town has to offer if people don't know or understand the benefit of placing  understand what it's like when you're looking to start and the fear and you're looking for hours and i think we can position ourselves to be that ally for emerging businesses here on why you need to stay in the training that you need that when those jobs are really there so i think it's it's two sides of some of the coin but we can't do one without the other  what i think it can impact it much more of a positive manner if business community has a deeper understanding of the value and would develop to them through city center but none of the city separate self a city center is still afraid of what you can do across all of south burlington a lot of the rhetoric is really focused on city center and that's great but what about the rest of the count there's a lot of other opportunities that every single business is going to want to locate in city center but it can be a magnet to bring those businesses to the create around and well as you said the key work balance now it's up to the community and the council met all the stakeholders to figure out what that balance is because there's always going to be some level of conflict businesses are going to one of these certain things from a natural resources perspective for example we don't want to lose wetlands so figuring out that balance and how you make that work especially with some of the regulatory issues on the state side is really key so i don't have an answer that this is the solution but it's a tough issue to find that balance but that balance is they're going to be patient and willing to do the work  well as i say is a definite natural battle resource committee seems like a natural kind of a while it's with economic development because there are going to be a lot of crossovers a military as well as with other committees so i think it's just natural that those alliances will take place but you know you do have to work together to make sure you know that you're getting an effective approach between the committees not required here in that time i believe so yes introduce i did bring a short c v if you want i also brought my long twelve page one but i don't think you want to see that but if you want to write one when i'm sure survived three winters and i decided now it was time to get involved in the community and when i thought about where i could make the most impact with my education experience i thought of the library board  into that and other places where i don't necessarily think that's going to be a quiet place but sometimes just even yeah yeah that was the one thing i was for otherwise it looked like a space that could serve multiple experience of that i've always worked in higher education but i certainly know of places that do that i mean i think the american library association has a lot of programs that you know and you know i know that there are some libraries that sleep over there's all different types of things that you can  amazon smile but i didn't see anything about that and you know i was i smile your amazon has done a dozen it's a little it's a little clunky to do and i was sort of worried about the first time i did it but that's i think you get five percent up four percent which creates a twenty five thousand more passengers for a total of six hundred twenty three thousand four hundred ninety nine and they really believe that the projections continue to be positive and they're estimating by the and of course calendar here the top six hundred fifty thousand so the things in there that are going in the right direction they're very very busy is very much improved and i think the community or the neighborhood is appreciative of that they stopped that compressing drilling or whatever the in some really drilling but i think kind of packing to break it up when it was really hot and he's working trying very hard to get the f a a to agree to some changes in the scheduling for all the work so it inversely impact the residence so i think it is making some good progress there and i am very appreciative and i think it's really got the message wants to work and is working really hard moody's upgraded them to a to a couple reason which is very good news for them in this illness and where they want to be but it went up from the bottom and a couple of reasons is that the all the airlines have signed five year agreement which is a really positive thing for airports and i'm so that's positive they have a cat the cash supposed to be more efficient and effective and i think there's some kind of modern ring also about you know where it's open to park and stuff like that so they're very excited about that and the hotel will start next spring fed a five billion dollar budget and they're still working unless you have new information i have no other information other than to ensure that their liquor control commission and the council acting as i understand that this is approach back to the application and contemplation of a potential sale of the property this is not a new it's not a replacement it's just i'm sorry it's not a new license it would be a replacement because i would imagine the current license holder at that location with then let it lapse or  problems with the doubletree i'm completely supportive of it i did have a comment the other one is just stuff i haven't seen these conditionals before so this one email saying that these four conditions have to be met i think i understand we don't associate spec this we just would hold them accountable so i was supportive but i would love us to get to a place where we did some follow up inspections on these types of things yet as it is a new of inspector for us since terry's moved into the