well that's coming up but mr sylvestris managers report gave a good synopsis of the of the issue that we're going to discuss i hope everybody got a chance to read that paragraph we briefly discussed this also with the budget workshop that we had but sometimes people forget what it means it stands for total maximum daily load and the definition is read here t m t as a calculation of the maximum amount of a pollutant that a water body can receive and still meet water quality standards and support little background before we get into the nuts and bolts here put together a basic timeline just to kind of bring council up to speed this is all driven by the clean water act of one thousand nine hundred two but in one thousand nine hundred six brush run was m d l report to the american daily load report this report set limits for the amount of sediment and phosphorus that was allowed in the stream basically those limits are or the theory behind those limits is they want to get the sediment phosphorus down to where the stream can meet its designated uses i have a copy it's quite well luminous you can get it on the website i have a copy in my office anybody cares for some light reading but so this is the around the same time that the p a issued the report in two thousand and three the states m s for program kicked off and this program authorizes the township to discharge from its from its publicly and storm s system around this time i think it was two thousand and three when peters township received its first and this for permit so those two things kind of coincided fast forward twelve years to today's date  part of our m s four permit the e p a through the d e p is finally starting to deal with these total maximum daily loads that paired streams and we're not the only one in this boat there's a lot of other neighbor municipalities song around you know has one is up for st clair and awful parker involved in the brush run wind as we are so as part of our permit renewal back in two thousand and twelve we had to renew for m and permit we had to submit a strategy saying how we were going to comply with this total maximum daily everybody kind of submitted what they thought a good strategy was at the time the d p didn't have much guidance the three years later they finally issued a letter it was last winter it was february two thousand and fifteen basically a boilerplate letter went out to the municipalities kind of detailing what now what they wanted to see in the t m d l strategy so we took a copy of that that's what i've been working on for the past couple months and that's what we're here to discuss tonight and i just put on the timeline down there is the last date two thousand and eighteen that's when we have to apply for our next permit cycle for the n s for permit and that's i believe the date th a is going to expect some actual physical progress towards completing this strategy so here's the strategy i think you have it in your pocket it's on our website around is impaired for phosphorous and sentiment so those are the two pollutants that were required to reduce the ph report i have here by figures approximately three hundred seventy thousand pounds of sediment and three acronyms thrown around this report it's very confusing the way they break down sediment loadings in the way they they estimate stuff the waste load allocation is actually the amount that you are allowed to have in the stream and still meet the designated  this is what we have to get down to but right now the loading is up in the five hundred thousand some range so it has to be back down to this number if you actually look on page two the report notes were and i guess the look at the is what what i calculated based on this t m d l report that the p a issue and that's a that's pretty much in line with a lot of the other community figures that i've seen want the examples that they give so i believe that iraq and i said hey you know we're going through all these gyrations and calculations wouldn't be easier to just sample the stream now and then work on some of these projects and do continuous stream sampling to see like if you're actually achieving anything and i'm paraphrasing but obviously but the answer i gave like no yes it was now well he answer was you can if you want to but it's pretty much a few tile attempt i mean they said that and if you read through this document the way that they estimate the levels of phosphorus and sediment that are now in the stream it's through a mathematical model through like a a land use model so what they do is they take the picture peters township and they say well there's this much farmland which generates x amount they have a theoretical number x amount of sediment we have this much low intensity development this much high intensity development this much forest it's all based on a land use small and these generation rates so they work through this computations and figure out what it is and what it should be based on what they call the reference watershed approach is what they call it so basically they they take another watershed that is similar in size and geology and rainfall rate and everything f conclusively prove that through sampling because of differences in rainfall patterns time of day temperature all kinds of variations that come up in this sampling protocol that they have that you would spend so much below where number four corners i mean if i've been cleared up creek which has a pretty bad shape of water quality wise i have to imagine rush run would have experienced some improvement numbers to remove this much sediment you know from the from the stream so what i propose is like a five a five permit cycle in each permit cycles five years i propose the five permits cycle strategy where we implement five b m p's and i'll go through  that usually stands for constructed item like in other words they have a number of different strategies that you can implement to remove sediment phosphorus from a water body you know you can plant riparian buffers next to the that we own in maintaining you know maybe we could maybe we could modify this somehow that to help and the problem with that is is we have to remove so much sediment phosphorous from the stream particularly sediments the tough one that it's like a drop in the bucket but i'll give you an example i did some calculations for every node is the georgetown pong right across from georgetown estates on valley brook road so it's on the low side a valley brooking has a fence around it  i did some calculations there's only about a one thousand acre drainage area drainage through that and i think the removal efficiency it's fairly high it's like seventy percent something like that but you only remove a couple hundred pounds of sediment per year b modifying a basin so do the math we'd have to modify a thousand basins in order to comply we don't have a thousand i mean it's just it's physically impossible so mike and i kind of kick this around p's that drain it take enough drainage area and have a high enough or move all efficiency are are few and far between and the one that that is kind of in vogue right now and there's a lot of talk about it out the chesapeake bay watershed  is some stuff as you see on the screen here they're called floodplain and stream bank restoration projects basically what it is is the top is a before picture and you've seen streams in peter's township a lot of them look like that they have deeply inside channels high banks  they've just cut through that previously deposited sediment was there or what the theory behind this floodplain restoration and you'll see a finished project there at the bottom is that you know back when i was fish was a farming community back in the eighteenth hundreds and there is heavy agriculture in the ijn ass controls a lot of these flood plains basically got filled in and they don't look like flood plains anymore you've got stream banks that are four or five feet high you know a lot of those legacy sentiments are really what you see now in the floodplain is not no longer really connected to the creek i mean the flood plain should you should have overtopping of the banks on a fairly routine storm which you don't have anymore you have water that  velocity and cuts through these legacy sediments and then when it reaches a certain point all her flow and we don't have a lot of flooding events but when we have like an ivan or a couple storms that we had you know the past few summers we get that so these type of projects basically you go in you are moved the legacy sediments you plant some what one type plants reconstruct the floodplain to reconnect the floodplain to the stream and there's a there's a high removal of fish and sea associated with its projects of like eighty five percent but the thing with  is if you have a suitable piece of property that it has enough upslope drainage area you can show theoretically that you can remove enough sentiment phosphorous to meet the fear as it was going in there and like ripping out all that grass and dirt ye projects proposed in this strategy the first one that i think we should we should tackle starting in two thousand and eighteen start start in the design phase and in these projects by the way off to be designed there's all army encroachments permits associated with these projects as a heavy permitting compound socit with that before you can even construct an after construction it's relatively low maintenance but there are like any constructed item there's maintenance associated with these floodplain projects so no one there that you see with that with the other nine hundred fourteen acres next to it that that one is a project at the base of that what nine hundred fourteen acre watershed is the open space to the briarcliff plan there at bunker hill drive if you know where bunker hill feeds into the about road and mike actually suggested this project is the first one and i agree with that it's it's a good one we control the property we control a lot of open space property in that plan it's all in the floodplain it's very suited for this very type of floodplain restoration project and it nine hundred fourteen acres a huge portion of that and actually most of the agricultural activity in the brush run watershed itself is contained in that nine hundred fourteen acres if you think upstream of that it goes all the way up through just about road which is where simmons farm is or some other ancillary farms like along that road so i would say out of that nine hundred fourteen acres about a third of that is agricultural activity which is the highest sediment generator so this project i think is well suited to tackle first it's your biggest bang for the buck type of project and i think a permanent one permit you know i would hope we could reach some agreement i mean most of the property that we're dealing with is by its very nature is in the floodplain it's non develop of why anyways i don't think it's very valuable and i think we would handle it even the three purchasing a point or even having like a dealing with here have any great value to them they're kind of started you know it's a very good question so frankly permit term number two the project that i proposed is right here i know it's tough to see on the map but here's the  that area down there it goes under the trail through it through a concrete box called it empties into brush around so this is a natural low point it's well suited for arctic i'm calling it out as a constructed wetlands would be the  similar type of concept to the floodplain restoration in that it's got a high pollutant removal efficiency eighty five percent is the highest that's that's going to change for here but i think we're on enough property to construct it but if not we may have to go upstream slightly there is ratios of how much what would you need to construct per drainage area and we've got five hundred seventy acres here but again you know this train's rolling hills golf course which through three this is right behind the middle school here this this property in red is the middle school property right across the street so behind there it basically touches the st benedict's property the school district property and then there may be a couple properties along  but so this is permit time three so this would be twenty twenty eight to twenty thirty two so we're talking pretty far in the future here's a hint so this is another floodplain project if you if you in the fact that we're dealing with a couple we would hope co op or you know institutions that would cooperate with the township namely the school district in st benedict's church and maybe a couple private property owners i would not share a big the project would need to be but this would be another one fish ok so that's part of a term number three permit term number for an hour and twenty thirty to twenty thirty seven this is this is a project here this is actually a long sugar ca new you and i talked about that before we have some type of some type of ordinance amendment that if they have a property that suited for this we could require that a certain amount of a doctor's office in between so if they would still own it at the time we would have to approach them but again it looks like that first picture that i brought up deeply inside channels there's a lot of legacy sediments there be well suited for some type of floodplain restoration project i do want to stress that you know by moving forward with submitting this draft strategy to the d p we're not walked into anything at the moment you know i would think you know the first permit terms is probably a definite we're to have to to do something there but as we get through one or two of these and we move along the peas made it clear in their seminars that it's pretty this is quote unquote a living document you know week we can maybe shift gears if something's not working right or have to submit a strategy and you have to submit a strategy by the thirty first that shows how you're going to meet the limits which we can do you know they i'm sure they're going to have some comments like you know how do you propose this you know whatever but your bottom line we feel this is the most effect i got kind of chided for that question and my question basically was you know i understand that you've classified these streams as impaired but i don't see people dying in the streets because of phosphorous and sentiment pollution like i just this week you know it seems like it's  appealing the value assessments we finally have gotten to the point where they've agreed to our values and so we're asking for the authorization  frankly they're still at the schematic drawing phase we've had discussions with an architect that's been doing a number of small projects for small buildings and he has some other of our architectural innovations plans or are they starting from scratch we're going to ask him to start from scratch because i think part of the problem is the approach that there are potential innovations is taken  look at this from scratch and and i'm fairly confident based upon that discussion and his research and reengineered structures that we ought to be able to bring the senate up much  radius return you go up here one second this is like the maximum size truck in there they're looking at trying to go into this one not there's no way that truck will will be able to use the road really their plan is in dire need  sorry from one twenty five pine creek drive and i'm very concerned actually i can't believe that they're allowing a site this close to residential area and i'm surprised more people aren't speaking up about this about a half mile from my house we moved to peter's thinking that we could open the windows in ny not have to worry about noise but the other side of the mountain or the hill whatever you want to call it in nottingham we could hear the work that they're doing on the other side it's actually terrible at four in the morning so one of my neighbors complain so i'm concerned about the presence of the traffic would kill us i mean you there is no visibility when you get to the crest of that hill that you mentioned just before you make a right onto lutes coming off the road so i'm up near that last cul de sac in the back there but we're about baseline i realize it's not our township but you know they're right next door i mean there are tons of issues what about the drilling that's going to go on supposedly the fracking that's going under neighborhood where some of us have not signed off with the cutie or whoever i mean how do you guarantee that my property underneath there is protected and i can understand the people next to me that if they want people to go under their houses but exactly and our that i can hear from the other side of the hill there's another site that they've been working on the ball site he gave us in our notice or sorry into zero zero yeah maybe it's now it's on the other side of the hill there's another site that they've already been the guys were sending people around telling everybody that their local gas company gave them permission to survey land they were taking soil samples they would do it when we were at work which is convenient because between nine o'clock in the morning and four o'clock in the afternoon most people are gone so the neighborhoods are empty and we had a conversation we called we actually called the surveyor you know i mean they were yeah they had multiple guys out there none of some extent there are other issues not just we just cut them loose and go do what you want to do and i understand you're going to be marked requirements anyway but we should probably we're going to give them the green light have some parameters as to what we expect to be  well being in i mean i think that we would have the ability to to the least fluctuate some type of things the other thing i wanted to say is that you know i voted against the loots road prove me in and i understand the arguments for i just i'm concerned about the proximity of that intersection to that residential community as opposed to the other one you know the other way further down there's not much do we still have where we we've been advancing the money from the general fund both with the intent of this be financed over a longer period of time that's the way it was decided the bills would know that this section of payroll bills was probably one of the biggest ones we've seen with a million and a half dollars worth of them there were in there so very basically moved everything out here if i was pushed for it it is in the letter from the senate it says that it pursued the section twenty second and please let this letter line it was interesting to see how this was presented i was a little confused perhaps is there a way to tell what has been disposed like in the actual line there used to be how many were open among us i had one other question about the property the planning department report there are a lot of property maintenance issues that are reported by people people get very upset when people don't keep their properties nice and i've been reading these reports and there are some offenders names who keep reappearing over and over and over and they're judged not guilty given a time to clean up and then they're a couple months later they're back again do you have any sense of misters of how frequently something like that is happening there are my concern is that i think contacted by people in the past and you know that i've talked to you asking about status and the people who are maintaining their property and trying to potentially sell are impacted very negatively by this sort of thing and i would like to perhaps think of a way we could try to address this in some way for repeat offenders i mean there are people who are cited in cleanup and it's ok but people who are just constantly we do have a residents should be taking differently other than just not just other than just doing the property maintenance or excuse me property maintenance report we encourage them to come to the hearings we're very seldom do we get them at the hearings we inform them that they can take a private action against the property if they need to do that means it's  people who are maintaining their property and trying to them potentially sell it and having problems so i appreciate you answering thank you gary miscellaneous under miscellaneous are a couple of items first of all there's a report in your docket on the status of border point mids and terms you will note there are three boards that have individuals on them that  make a meeting but planning commission of somebody missing an alternate can be plugged right in even if they still have a quorum they would they would be very active so you might want to consider allowing or appointing one or two alternates and how many times if we experienced a problem with the planning commission well we've had problems with sometimes with the if there's if there's they're down to three and then sometimes if you have a conflict of interest that's that's been a problem homie on how often that's happened and it happens more often lately i actually raise this issue a while back when we first were talking about this only thing that concerns me is that you know i like to see you know continuity and you know people who are dealing with the same types of issues day to day out you know i was concerned that you bring somebody in  hasn't sat on that many boards or that many proceedings and you know it's not going to lose that consistency well we would anticipate that if you point alternates and they would they would attend meetings on a regular basis is been a very hectic couple of weeks in trying to do look at our health insurance status if council recalls in the budget workshop we came to them and added that p m c health plan so in essence we were looking at the same plan we've been going back and forth back and forth we now have their rates down significantly that we used to be and and so there is the potential of increased savings and we think in the long term to make may be the way to go i think we need to sit down with the unions and work some things out right now if we think they are looking at the specific parameters the direct plan through u p a and the for this next coming year would be the where the best one ok and then usually we plan a joint meeting with the peters township school district for some time and cheney wary if you could look into that perhaps and i don't know that it has to be on a meeting agenda maybe reach out to them you know when we can talk and great and then the last thing last year mr lauer was kind enough to give us a summary of lanes for garbage on payment so if we can just get an update on whether we're going to own any houses or something