my team are here we've got some folks here from g m b where dan dan is going to sit here and continue working on the design while i present because that's what he does david is david wilkins is here someplace bill johnson and helpful there's some seats up here feel free to come up and grab a seat we don't bite i'm going to dive into the so basically what we've got here is take all the suspense out and put up the cool big overview drive and we'll talk about this in great detail but we've done a lot of work in the last last few weeks to follow up on everything we're talking about so basically at this stage of the project i would think it's a good idea to go back and go what was it we were supposed to do that they hired us to do so at the if you were at the very first meeting just after thanksgiving you saw this slide and it says create a conceptual plan for the renovation and redevelopment of the civic center place and that means not just this building but the blocks around us activate a civic center play seven days a week we know that two days a week during the summer time and you know the site itself is fabulous and overwhelmed it took time it's fantastic you know this gym this building is used a lot but there's a lot of downtime and we certainly want to improve on  it's become a part of a new residential neighborhood that's the side of dia that over time the areas west of us will be kind of a residential complement to all the really great retail stuff that's east of us so we think that that's coming down the road someday make the farmer's market more active more often of course and develop a recreation program for residents of all ages incomes race inabilities we'll talk about that we talked about that early on about we really kind of have a really broad recreation program of which we're able to serve some of it here and some of it needs to be served elsewhere we'll talk about that and of course prepare a plan with an eleven million dollar budget and commence construction and twenty sixteen so what you're going to see here is a whole range of ideas what we're going to do in a couple weeks actually i think i have this in the room next door and we draw our brains out and everybody is in the room and so when once one person makes a change and also in the building needs to adjust and then the gardens move and this happens and everybody's working together all in one room it's a really productive and fun thing for us to do  two weeks from now so tonight we're going to prevent the present the overall vision give you a really broad sense of the big picture and then over the next two weeks we're going to work with our partners from go construction i left them out our construction managers i never got somebody there chris is there are construction managers construction manager is the guy that stands around and says to the architects yeah that's a cool idea do it this way it'll cost less and so they're going to help us from the very beginning while we're still at this very sketchy stage design the building in a way that's most efficient from a construction standpoint to make sure that we just don't inadvertently you know get off track or something or just help us be as efficient as possible but for the next two weeks they're going to take everything that i'm going to show you tonight and put dollar signs to it and then we're going to work with the steering committee and try to establish priorities and say based on everything that we've heard and all the different parts and pieces how do we make the best use of the funds we have available to make a really great project and so a couple of weeks from now we're going to have a meeting over at city hall to present this sort of phase one priorities based on what we hear from you tonight and what the steering committee tells us and all the folks that have been providing that feedback and then a week later on march sixteenth we're going to go to council and hopefully we've got consensus and council says that's what we're doing go because we want to get under construction this fall as but this project has been talked about for a long long time the desire is to get moving so so a summer that rich process is clearly this is the most inclusive place in holland huge support for what happens here kind of a real sense of the activities here sir very very special these use have another home and the idea that we shouldn't have some specific to displace all these other uses this is really important protected and hence the market make sure we've got good parking more diversity in the offering so more people can make use of it and a focus on wellness instead of fitness there's kind of a continuum of these activities and sometimes we go too far to the extreme or to the elite level and this is a place that is really welcoming for everybody and we want to make sure that we serve a really broad base of population here and i found this in this idea that the ordinary is extraordinary is something that's very special and how can we have just the sense of the vision here is you know that was what was up here on the screen earlier when you walked in this was sort of the key words that you can pull out of that vision it's a sense of place and beauty this ordinary moments of every day and that everything has to be a monument this is really a monument to the community and the activities that happen here and that people can conserve and the neighbors that it serves everybody feels welcome you know there's you know there's a lot of diversity in this community and we've talk to folks who said this is one of the places that they feel absolutely welcome here and that's different we want to have this continue to be that kind of an activity over the next fifty years and so we'll keep working on that so we got some comments from our last you'll see some of these things come and go as we as we do the presentation but we want this place to be a bridge between communities and peoples and the activities that happen here and everything is to be modular flexible and adaptable it's not it's fun to present in this room because we can look at this upper deck level for example you see these chairs up above us they're fantastic when we're doing on time or when we're doing a graduation or the holland holland christian basketball game but because the way that building structured if there's not an event here and you're not sitting there goes that space is completely unused and so it sits on used i don't know ninety eight percent of the time some large percent of the time if that space was flat for example and we had moved to risers then that stuff could go away and all sudden we can make use of that space when we need to see if we can bring in the seats when we need something else it can be something else so that's going to be a theme you'll hear us talk about over and over for all of the projects sites is that we want each space to have multiple uses so quick sense of you know when we say the ordinary sixty ordinary you have a very extraordinary market the activities that happen here the different cultural activities are very special you know the pick up basketball games that happen in this room if you know you might not even know about them but this is something that you come in here and you see a completely different group of folks in here all the time  you know the guy you know the show is that happened here you know the parades all these sorts of things we did a few years ago completed what's called the five year parks and recreation master plan i'm going to go back kind of a big step here because i want you to recognize that all of this fits into a big to a really big picture so the five year x plan was done in twenty fourteen and it had so many major goals the ones that most relevant to us are this maintain innovate and server and the idea was maimed and under maintenance was maintaining the high standards that you've come to expect you have an exceptional park system for a community or size the standards of quality in terms of structures is very high this building is cool as it is for uses isn't living up to that standard right now but certainly w know plan for renovating and it's proving this it's going alternate sources so serving is really identifying these other populations of neighborhoods that might be under served now this is a building that is serving folks that don't have another  home and maybe some of the plans in the past that haven't moved forward maybe they didn't move forward because they were displaced in some of those uses that don't have another home and what we went through in december meeting with all the community folks is recognizing the value of those kind of smaller uses that you would never leader you want to you want to maintain that position and of course you can tell this is from our parks and rec plan because if they are recreational facilities deficiency summary sounds like the government has come in to do an audit but it's something that you're required to do as part of that plan it points out a couple of things  we currently meet the standards for the facilities for gems mostly we made it because we have access to other gems that other schools if we were to answer the question does the holland the city of specifically own five gems that we need five gyms for this community based on our population we have this gym that the city owns and it's not even a standard because it's four feet too short we have four other gyms that we access that are in different schools in germany and they spend a good part of their lives on the phone scheduling and coordinating those guys one of the challenges we have is if any one of those facilities becomes unavailable to us because of the scheduling needs of the primary owner we're going to rapidly fall below standard so one of the things that we talked about is we need to be ready for that in the future they don't address the quality location or availability which we just talked about and you know we have a large number of participants and we need to look for more of those facilities so also you know other needs that have come up with pick so certainly well as we talked about in the early phases of the process in december is different determining what this use there's a continuum of use in terms of recreation and fitness and health and wellness and we have sort of two programs that we die identif early and there's this dedicated fitness competition level program which is like three gems and it's the kind of thing that it's the big rec center that we all talked about in december decided that's great we need it but it doesn't fit here on this site and you're not going to see me propose anything like that here on the site but we need to make sure that we recognize that's still a need that's still something that's out there it has these weight rooms and other dedicated more of a fitness level focus and competition versus this idea of wellness which is what this building's about it's a more broad based thing with with food education and health education you know maybe it has one or two recreational level gyms the gyms fantastic even though it doesn't meet current competitive standards it's still a great gym for the community maybe it has more flexible classrooms and you see some overlap between this space and the other space as we think about these two facilities or is kind of a continuum between them maybe with this space there's more classrooms here and fewer over there and if that's on line maybe we don't need a second gym right away maybe we need some flexible space up here that can still serve the possibility in terms of a location for this dedicated fitness facility would maybe over pool or get that renovated as well so we had the charette we talked about all these different elements great support for the concepts we're going to show you tonight we've got some feedback that we've been incorporating will show all those things but a real focus on the budget and keeping all these elements in mind as we move forward not just the building the site is critically important don't forget market improvements it's not just this building so with that we have this quick overview of scotch which is kind of really fun as you can see in the upper left hand corner that's the building that you're sitting in and that actually shows some of the some of the concept architecture in there as you can see we made a real effort to have it have a sense of relationship to the building as it exists and when dan gets up later he's going to take you on a three dimensional tour of some of the concepts he's working on you'll see that we have some green spaces around the edges we've got a park space to the northwest up here across through on a focus on a relationship between the building and the market and then tying all these things together so that we kind of quickly come and there's some other spaces that you don't see on this particular diagram but maybe over time in the upper left is the building can expand to the south and that can be that second jim we can look at that yellow space here in the middle or left that maybe there's more green space tying into relate to the green space that's on the north side and then this yellow dash line is some day off in the future we may need a parking garage that comes in here maybe it's two levels and it fits into the sort of downtown district wide parking strategy that might be a place where that goes so we've accommodated all of those ideas that are out into the future when we think flexibility we want to make sure that that's all possible so we have a little hangover there so this is a slide here that talks about sustainability elements here so one of the things that we want to do in this community is set a model for sustainable green infrastructure and improving water quality obviously project clarity i'm sure you've all heard of it it's about how do you manage things a site like this is kind of a nightmare when it when it comes to water quality it's about currently about ninety percent impervious and that means the water lands and it goes into a drain and immediately goes to your lake and that's kind of the worst possible scenario for contaminants getting in your water what you want to do is slow them down and have them infiltrate and you know in the old days before we paved everything would fall it would absorb into the ground pretty much where it fell and it didn't move around a lot so the green spaces here would be it would be spaces that are permeable now that doesn't mean you can't park on a man will show you that but the idea is here that these are permeable spaces where the water can infiltrate and if it infiltrates into a drainage system before it goes into lake mecca tower all the silt and sediments are filtered out and so the water that goes in is much much cleaner so that's an important role there we have t about over time doing some permeable pavement which would be actual permeable pavers that would collect some of the water here and also improve some of the concerns that the farmers have about the curb at the back side which is a trip hazard for them what's with those red lines there we have these ideas or sort of as part of the sort of bands of trees those relate to the idea that we'd have underwater or underground areas to cut off the groundwater that currently flows through the building over here so we'd want to work with with the folks in town here  keep the building dry and make the basement more usable in this building but also again capture that water keep it clean and improve the water quality and make mecca tower the idea of bias wales this is another kind of a visible way to help people understand what's happening and this w and through the space in the in the in the parking areas and then ultimately this building looking at the rough spaces the responses might be activated green where you're physically up there having a wedding party you might have solar to the left that we've talked about you might have green roofs with plants and things but basically again right now our rough top is a big piece of impervious surface that captures water and dumps it enveloped we want to have the slow down and create and take advantage of that space for sustainability benefit so let's hit the market very specific that we talked about a lot of improvements for the market everything from just real simple stuff like gutters and cleaning things up to this anchor at the west and improving restroom access and signage so let's look at the drawings here so basically the first thought is a real basic one we need gutters on those because when you stand there to buy your carrots from from cindy vest or you're going to get soaking wet if it's raining so let's get some gutters in there it's a simple improvement and also clean up to the top so just there th edge they need some cleaning no big deal looking at these other areas where we need more utilities power and water that makes this much more functional for all of the folks that operate down there and some real simple technical things for them like marks on the ground so they know where they're where the bays are currently they out there and you show up and you try to jockey around and i know where i'm supposed to be roughly but there's no marks to tell them specifically where the bays are thinking about these entry points certainly improving the entries at the east and west bends to make that safer  opportunity here to do something that's probably electronic and digital so you can get a lot more information so when you come by and you come by the site you can get a sense of what's happening both in the whole entire site but also in the building it's very specific that we pull the signage off the b want you to start thinking about this as a place not a building and a place so we want to think about all of the different activities here and one of the other recommendations as we think about management an operations is we're going to ask the city to think about managing the whole place as a whole whereas right now it's managed by a lot of different folks in different roles and it's just something that's evolved over time but it's as we've started this process for the last month we think it's time to think about a more cohesive management strategy for the whole place looking at improved access making  visible and obvious where they go the new building will have have multiple restroom opportunities you'll see that later the idea of the sort of blue that's down the middle is movable seating movable chairs and tables that can come out on market day and you move them around and what kind of manager and watch where they go and then at the end of the day they go away so the street can reopen but it's going to create opportunities for folks to sit and rest and be and of course the whole western anchor at the end there will talk about a great deal with the park but more places for people to gather and create a western anchor at the don't get don't get on her bad side you'll hear about it all right so let's talk about some of these in greater detail the entry here this is the idea at basically pine which is going south found in and a street which is two way across the street and one way westbound on the bottom of your picture there and the idea is we have this diagram the sense of a market square we want to have a much more of a much improved pedestrian crossing there it's not going to really change much in terms of a function but the idea that you stop both directions of traffic for a minute on market days and everybody can just move to the space currently you're watching for the cars to right or you're watching the cars turning left in front of you and you've got a lot of other things on your mind you're carrying bags of groceries you've got your kids you're excited about the market we think the real simple strategy of improving  that space and feel so it feels like a safer space and then also actually technically changing the way the lights function to make it safer as well would have to change necessarily on weekdays at rush hour and those kinds of things but on market days the astron should absolutely have priority as we think about what that might look like some beautiful sketches here that bill's been working on for so you can see some signs of the signage on the right maybe that's a little bit smaller scale there behind the folks it could be taller but you also see maybe some expressions at the end of the curve forms you look there's these little blue boxes on either end of that the ideas that would extend that form out and create maybe that's the gathering space maybe that's where the where the the kiosk is where the way finding happens where you go where do i find bus and so we talk a little bit about signage we certainly need to think about getting more signage up and down there so you can look down and you can see a blade sign of which vendor you're looking for that would help but maybe the other side is where the casket is where the folks who use the market box where they've got to get the name on food bucks you know making that stuff happen right out in the market versus back in the building and creating that opportunity it's also thinking about the way the space right now when it's empty when it's not active it's basically feels like this giant expanse of parking it's ten acres of parking with not a tree in it hardly there's a little grove of locust on the north side where you start in the sense in our plan as we want to break down that scale by introducing rows of tree is that bring it down in scale it doesn't it doesn't have a huge impact on parking we'll talk about that in a minute but that you can see and hear it brings that space from being this huge empty barren wasteland tundra down to a much more manageable feeling space and that's what those rows of trees on either side start to indicate they're so let's get parking because everybody wants to talk about parking this is what's current out here i kind of them myself so if they're personally so i might be off by one or two and we can debate and argue that but i'm pretty darn close right now it's about six hundred thirty six basis so and that counts the of thirty two that counts the thirty two spaces in the middle that aren't even that aren't even striped out so i got them so it's six hundred thirty six give or take a couple depending on how we argue so what you see there is  forty four to the south of this building there's thirty five in the little lot to the north of this building across the way there's two seventy nine on the north half in about two hundred data on the south half including that hidden secret thirty two so what are we proposing in the future it looks like a lot of green space so back to the us the current plan actually reimagines a lot of things about access first of all we have kind of the way it was set up with the accessible parking the parking was really driven about this building and it wasn't really a modified to accommodate the market so all of our testable parking right now is on the south side of this building which is almost as far as possible from the market so clearly we want to change that will want to get parking closer to the front of the building on the east side and then along eighth street on both sides so that no matter where you come in if you need to use a wheelchair you have you know at some point we'll break a leg or something we need to get closer we want to have that parking spread out so that'll help create some space closer to the market but our total here is about five sixty four so i don't know what the math is there but six thirty six five sixty four it's about seventy spaces maybe that we need to accommodate so what are we going to do that's kind of a big deal i recognize that so how do we address that i've got a bunch of ideas the first thing is based on managing  parking i'm not talking about the trucks the trucks that come in they're gonna stay they need to be there because that's where all the stuff is so but there are there are many of the vendors there's about eighty vendors that come out on any given saturday nobody has an exact count of how many of them are in cars that aren't where the trucks are but the first thing like every other retail business and a great downtown is you don't let your employees parking your customers spaces so the idea is just across the street behind the courthouse right over there there's plenty of spaces and maybe fifty of those maybe the fifty those employees move over there it's a reasonable strategy in every retail setting i know certainly improving way finding to the nearby lots there's about three hundred seventy spaces public spaces within a block either side of this that's a tremendous amount of parking within a block on either side the idea of market wagons and pick up zones this idea that you know a cool beautifully painted market wagon that's there it's free you put your stuff in it and you take it out and you leave it out there and it's paying that it's like the bikes in downtown st joseph you borrow a bike  leave it there nobody steals them because if you're on it everybody knows it's not your bike and then had kids that got in get those and bring them back also drop off some you buy sixteen watermelons you just leave them there and go get your car and come back so consider management what does that mean i mean somebody out there physically going there's no spaces here there are spaces over there and telling people where to go i do want to point out one thing the city did go out last summer and counted on every saturday on saturday mornings and not one day was there not parking available so i'm not saying that people are wrong i'm just saying that we're not one hundred percent full even now there are days when they fill up as quick as they empty but there's always been spaces on those days that's not a scientific guaranteed count but those are certainly what happened anecdotally last year so we think this is a reasonable strategy and when you start to look at our there we go and we start to look at the other parking areas that are around us we can certainly think about a strategy where we partner with maybe it's had no songs a lot i believe says eighty one over there within that next block the go across the street to the right here there are sixty two spaces that are public behind the courthouse and police i never knew that was public i always thought that that belonged to them and i wasn't allowed there i was wrong there's another seventy five spaces over there fifty spaces on street eight and then there's another fifty spaces there currently over to the right in the future is that is that block of volves they're probably going to actually move a little bit west so my point is here's we're maybe down about seventy spaces but through some basic management i think we've got a lot of parking within a block so i hope that that seems reasonable we're certainly going to continue to work on that so what might that person look like you saw a lot of green this is our strategy is this is a soccer stadium you can see in the upper right there's a thing called her friends for example this is green space that you can park your car on you don't park on it every day but we also don't need six hundred spaces every single day we need it on peak of events so the space on the bottom that green is the same space on top after they planted the turf what happens is those that black stuff you see on the top  structural ring that the car the weight of the car is carried on and the grass that lives inside those rings and so you don't see it it's a really great solution is used all over the place we can show it to you time and again we're not inventing something new it also allows that water to go straight through you also see some trees out in the parking areas one of the comments from i guess a week ago is every tree in the parking lot means we've lost a car parking space that's not true we can look at parking putting trees in the corners and intersections and then doing what's called the civil sell system  remember i talked about that cut off where the water can move underneath this is that system where you can nestle these trees into existing parking and not lose spaces so we're being strategic about how this works again not new technology but the quality of the space that could be in the parking lot starts to feel like this you get these cars over here parking on the green spaces folks can be in here this is one row of trees we've got another set another image here with a second row of trees the more we can fit this in here and make this work we can break down the scale that parking lot make it more pleasant when it's not jammed full of cars and fill it will fill the cars on saturday mornings when we need it and suddenly the space is a lot more comfortable to be in there's a lot less water going out into the storm system and full training in the ground where we want it so i had to put this in because i think the dutch are really clever they're building solar roads in the netherlands to test this out that's actually solar panels and then at night the road glows it's pretty darn cool but i'm just you know who  right so i had to put that in there so let's talk about the what we call the western anchor this idea that right now in the market you have this wonderful central space on the east it's really exciting and active and jammed full of people and as you go farther west it starts to kind of come apart a little bit we don't have structures we don't have a lot of other things and there's good reasons for that we want to have space for the for the the risers for the tool time parade other activities but what we really want to do here is and dan'l go into this with the building but one of the key things that we want to do is take this building that you're in and actually have it move out expand northward to engage with a street and what you're going to see here is along that edge that sort of taller edge there that's going to become market space that building will be all open garage doors and you'll see this in dan's models with the idea is that that market space and so some of the market vendors will actually be in the building in the summertime in the wintertime you shut the doors and you've got a small winter market so if you've been over here in the north hall just imagine that north hall twice as wide with a little bit higher ceiling in the wintertime you know instead of standing out there with the business freezing your tail off trying to buy your vegetables you'll be inside will be a little warmer so it's not a huge indoor market like you see downtown but it's a much more functional version of what you might see at fulton street market so that helps activate this space and that also we talk about expanding the market opportunities on the north side and really linking this whole thing together with this beautiful active park one of the challenges right now with the market is it so popular is a gathering space that oftentimes the vendors can't even get to their customers because they're stuck behind people we want to spread that activity out we have the same number of spaces probably even a little bit more market market vendor opportunities and we do now and then the idea is that you've got this wonderful park space at the at the at the north end there that's tied directly into the activities that go on and here and it becomes an outdoor extension of all the activities that happen in this building plus it's going to have you know splash pad kinds of ideas and things that make a really great destination because let's face it when you bring your kid down here to the market they're interested for about four minutes unless somebody is handing out free watermelon and then they're like let's go all right so we want to have another place for them to be so certainly market type spaces and maybe they're a little pop up and maybe it's a little bit different than it activates now but this works and also night markets evening markets this is an idea of a of a cross section of what that park space north of the building might feel like you know a bit better to easier to understand it when you see a sketch like this there's this idea that in the summertime you've got this wonderful grass space that happens in the wintertime it's got a completely different feel but the idea that that might start to feel something like this where you've got a beautiful player you've got you know pop jets going along the edge and outdoor play spaces that are really active and engaged in for families you know in the wintertime and i have a different feel it might be an ice rink you know this idea that we want to bring ice back but you know a skating ribbon as opposed to a big flat space like this where you go around in circles this is an idea where you skate on that same path that in the summertime might be grass or something else and so it's a really wonderful idea it's been done plenty of times there's a big one a brand new beautiful one over and chicago maggie daley by centennial park but this is this idea that you have this wonderful opportunity to skate through an environment versus just going around in circles if we ever need that big flat sheet of ice we can always put it on the parking lot we've got an epic amount of parking space there's no shortage of flat space for more ice if it's needed but we think this is a much more compelling space so we're about to shift into architecture so that was our quick overview of the site i realize it's a lot to take in everything that we're presenting the night will be uploaded kelly will have everything up on line tomorrow you can download this and look at it all again but as we're about to shift over to dan here just to warm him up we've got some great comments on the architecture from the last set of meetings but you know this essentially it's essential that our first impression needs to be impressive we bring a lot of people here to this building and it's their front door first impression that tool time of what's this community all about i think there's sort of a sense that right now we're not putting our best foot forward access on all four side just like the site this building needs to be accessible and reach out to the community on all four sides more doors on operates on all corners a much stronger connection with the market they need to feel almost as one and certainly roughed up spaces flexibility and all these other elements that we've been talking about so i'm going to shift over to dan here and he is going to start to explain what happens in this building and i have to give him the microphone will be in trouble sorry i'm a lefty you're with me ok my good ok actually louder and louder for the room it's usually here for those who remember in our past public meetings i'm a guy who struggles with microphones just roll he said ok part of what i'm going to present will be from the computer so in a moment when we get into some three dimensional stuff i'll be driving from the machines all try to continue to speak loud is this ok for everybody ok good so you had to sort of talk about the building as an extension of the place i think greg said it well or earlier that this really is a place not a building within a place i want to start to touch on some of the things that will start with the basement here and kind of work our way up to so sequin chile it's pretty understandable but really what we want to talk about is how the building has become much more porous to the site much more open to the site on all sides  entry from all sides one of the a couple of the primary challenges that we're after with this is a greg talked about a really well at a number of these public meetings this building really is successful the way it is and there are a lot of deficiencies with the building that can make all of those activities and programs stronger but there's a real film millionaire ety to the building and a real comfort for a diverse range of people within the community  for this and it also supports a diverse range of programs from the more formal and really dense and high traffic to the everyday pick up basketball and so how do we preserve  that quality and that success of this building the way it is while we're going to add all these other amenities that we want to achieve to augment the current program and make it stronger and a lot of that program that we're adding is highly flexible space so it it's articulated in different ways so the spaces will have different feels different heights that provide a different opportunity for programming and for rack and for wellness  that are unique from this large volume and they sort of surround this building and i'll get into that so hopefully what we're showing you today still will provide that same familiarity and charm that this current building hands so to start with the basement level one of the things that's really an opportunity for the basement is to get a lot of the stuff that's currently stored wherever it can find a home a lot of it right now here in the north wall all out of those areas and make those areas more available for public use for the market for what we're calling like the community living room i'll get into what that's about the moment except for so we want to make the basement more viable essentially take care of the water problem afraid elevator that kind of access to to capitalize on that square footage that's really the extent of what the basin is about and so i will yes so we're in i don't know how to do that there you so i am right there so thank you greg yes that's good for orientation so north is up and all of these plans eight street i'm sorry  sorry no north is up so i'll point and not talk and then talk so north is north is up so  and stop me at any point in any questions or tell me you can't hear me so the main level then to give you a sense of the existing building sits right in here so that's the existing south in green and brown are the expansion so you can see programatic really we're expanding in this sort of core program the way we've articulated this plan right now is not so much in phasing because phasing can be debated when's the right time to build things to do what and and we're still in this process through this design exercise of setting the priorities so the way we've broken this down for tonight is we have sort of a core program as we've seen it and then what we're calling future and so what that made up of is community space on the north and east so what we're calling a flex or the indoor market space which is basically as greg pointed out doubling the with of the current north hall  taking over the northwest corner because today that's a pretty close down sort of back of house as a conference room and someone the tuesday rooms back there but really opening up that corner because one of the things bill articulated well in the past bill johnson  is the kind of gateway to the waterfront is really a two way arrow so it's not only this this force of trying to pull people to the waterfront but it's also drawing people from the waterfront back downtown so this becomes a building with four important really for important faces and so the corners on all four corners really become important as well so part of the strategy that we're after here with the plan is to really create public zone all the way along the north and east side of the building and get the service spaces more to the west and to the south in the higher so this this west northwest corner then as an extension of this flex space in the indoor market we see is a cafe opportunity or the possibility for a demonstration kitchen and so that kind of function of a demonstration kitchen can also function to provide cafe coffee so we have the  or the gun and knife show there's breakout opportunities to take a break get a coffee mingle meet with others and then that also on market days could be a great demonstration area and then that provides an activity at that corner as part of a northwest and tree in the building as greg pointed out this space not only expanding but the well is also garage doors so it really has the opportunity to become an extension of the outdoor market in a real literal way on market days the other piece of that to which great pointed out is that that active park sits right up here in these plans so even not on market days the ability to connect with that park in a more meaningful way from that north space is available at the corner then we really see this is kind of what i've been calling the front door we see this is a building that has four corners four entrances so there's a we're really trying to downplay any back of the building we're not getting rid of service in those and storage in those kinds of amenities they're necessary but we're really trying to downplay them but we really hierarchically see this northeast corner as as a core on the site we've talked at a high level early on about this hub concept and i'm not going to revisit that detail but as part of that hub idea around the center center of the market you can see it ghosted there we see an anchor point as well as an important feature of the building as well closely tied to that piece of the site and so that really functions as the fund front door and it is a scale that it is yet another usable room so it's not trying to be a formal lobby or a space that's just transit where it has a vestibule and i move through and i kick the snow off my shoes and that sort of thing it really is a usable room that starts to become a piece of what we're terming the community living room which one of the a good observation that was made as we've been talking a lot in trying to understand more and more clearly all of the program uses now and in the future for the building rack and wellness trade shows all of that but what about the times when i'm just a pedestrian i'm just walking through the city i'm walking through the community i want to stop i want to meet with somebody i just want to sit down and have a coffee or read a book i'm not here for any particular purpose other than just respite and so this idea of not thinking about space is just as lobby formal lobby but is it a usable living room as we've called it and then the square footage of that is such that it really becomes a functional pre function as we've termed it so it becomes the space to support a really robust show in this in this room so a trade show and there tulip time those shows can either expand right out into that room so more tables and vendors accept or it could be set up out there or it becomes that space to facilitate ticket sales and and break out rest function before coming into the room where that event is actually happening so that's really what the stablished the square footage of this room and then this is quite transparent looking out to  the east and we've been talking about this remaining parking but that it would be a multi functional program so the opportunity for outdoor activities to happen on this area seemed like an important connection back into the building that's more transparent than earlier diagram is that we are providing multiple toilet locations in this building not only to support the building but to support the outdoor activities as well so because we've seen this is an important corner and i'll talk about it in a minute the southwest corner is an important community entrance we've looked at the opposing corners as opportune spots for service functions including much better toilet rooms or restrooms than we have today  in the building so these become you can see the t s there and the keys there are these become those publicly accessible toilet rooms to support traffic off of the market and off from activities in the east in the north active park but also the building itself the other piece with that that is supplemental as we will be renovating the current i'll call them rock toilet rooms locker rooms etc it's going to be more of a wellness approach and we're working through that with and what that means more family oriented so it's not so much the team sports oriented locker rooms any longer so they'll be more flexible in that regard and the amenities will be different but we intend to how's that in that same sort of spine along the south side of the building there so that the existing building and so then as we cut a circle around to the southwest we wind up with an opportunity that's where the existing underutilized kitchens kind of become a storage room today is that  so that becomes an opportunity one of the other amenities we've talked about being really hard working but maybe more behind the scenes is a commercial kitchen in incubator type kitchen and so the opportunity to capitalize on the infrastructure that's there the plumbing and things like that but provide a a more hard working behind the scenes commercial kitchen to support those kinds of start up businesses seem like a nice opportunity but didn't need to take over such a public real estate within the building and so that's been pulled to the southwest and then we have that is the southwest entrance that i mentioned we see a real opportunity to create a more welcoming presence of the community coming from the south and so this is a fairly harsh elevation today we think between the site area and providing a more recognizable door a more recognizable entrance that that can be that convenient community entrance and provide provide another important face to the building and that's what's indicated here you can see ghosted in underneath that is sort of that future program greg talked about a little bit is that one or two gyms in terms of the rec program and the wellness program on this site to supplement what is intended in the five year plan what we want to indicate is nothing that we might do immediately precludes that expansion from happening so the idea of a second multi use function much like this room happening here it could get a second basketball court it could get other functions to provide additional rack so that trade shows and pick up basketball could happen concurrently for example those opportunities those are possibilities and we're still sorting out where they fit on the process the list maybe it's a lower priority right now because the dedicated rec program is more important in the in the five year plan but what we're trying what we're challenging ourselves with as the design team is that we don't want to take away the opportunity for that to happen if if the need is there going for the second floor then one of one of the primary factors in this kind of overarching idea of flexibility for this building and greg pointed to that  a little bit as well in when he talked about these tiered seating up here is they serve a very real purpose for specific you know kind of intense uses whether it's a competitive basketball game or to look time those sorts of functions the more we think about taking capturing that square footage for use more continuously more frequently the idea of a flat floor seemed to be prudent and seemed to be a good idea and so what what we're indicating here is a strategy is that we would actually remove the teared seating in that same line so the clear floor area of this gym wouldn't change we would be pushing to the north here doubling it so we talked about that on the ground floor with expanding the north hall for indoor market we would capture that square footage on the second floor as well and come up with a second story so that could be a really usable reception space birthday parties in there there's a lot of function you could do classes in there yoga cetera it's really flattening the floor affords a lot of opportunities for a whole wealth of uses for that room not to mention has a really great view elevated view out to the new park  a tree in the market and so that even that kind of activity to sort of marry the site with the building as a holistic place becomes much more legible much more evident so that's and then we see that sort of carrying around on three sides of the building so that the so that they opportunity for tiered fearing for example is that the need for specific needs to a time except maybe a temporary so set up solution is right for those times when it's needed that could be knocked down and taken away whether it's rented or it's purchased and stored in the basement those are all opportunities to be vetted but but i think we can handle the kind of intense seating need for those time with a solution that sits on the flat floor the other thing that affords us the opportunity to do then is not only open up to the north but take this east side of the building and connect this multi use fung chin in this gym  more directly all the way out to the east for the opportunity to cut away at that wall create a balcony up stairs that looks into the new living room and looks back into this space all of those opportunities now become available to us because we're not we're not walking up a tiered seating to a pinched area at the back now some of the things we'll need to work through is what are the real functions of that space at the same time that something might be going on in this big room for example maybe we want folding partitions to separate the two so that functions can be going on and both at the same time those are things we need to work through and they're all opportunities and that will be part of sort of that prioritization we've been talking about of you know where what's the right allocation of dollars for for different  different functions so those are solvable and we'll be working through those details so this is still organized in very much the same way the stage exists and you have the three elevated sides that would now be flat and the floor elevation would probably be three or four feet above what you see today as the low walking lane at along the guardrail just to give you a sense of it now when i get it in three dimensions you'll see that probably taken too long any so and then one of the other things we've talked about is  a need for an office function not there's sort of a core office needier jeremy's office and the market master and those sorts of needs but also maybe the opportunity for some lease the space to have sort of a residence as we've called them you know professional residence on site more regularly that's something we're still working through as well like what is the real need and what is the real viability of that but there is certainly a need for some degree of office program as part of this part of the site in an effort again to really prioritize the north and east elevations largely for public space in the flex space one of the things we've talked about is is how do we activate maple because right now it's very much the back of the building and so one of the opportunities because on the ground floor we still saw that as the need for some storage and the service to the stage in those sorts of functions the commercial kitchen the opportunity for second floor office space to get some life and some transparency on the west side of the building seemed like an opportunity and so that's what you see articulated here and then that connects up back to that southwest community entrance as well so one of the things similar to the parking areas of one of the one of the real needs that we need to sort of vet out is ok what happens to the seeding cow if we flatten the floor and so we've just done some quick math here i want to on it too long but we've kind of done sort of a a dense a medium and a less dense or a lower density seating concept if floor was flat so what you see here is a low seating count so that says maybe if you would do an event where you would have you know some premier receptions space up the top and i get you know i get roughly about three hundred up and the the seating upstairs this has about twenty four hundred seats you can get in here for so to have time for example might be an instance when you fill it with that much so this is like half of that as one idea so you go to the next one greg so as a medium here we talked about the opportunity for the bleachers to go away make this more of a multi function space without the bleachers so you would do seating on the floor with all standing portable seats and then we could do portable risers and we looked into some systems quickly here just to get a a real sense of something that's logical in you know achievable and at four rows deep you know of temporary tiered seating set up on the flat floor or in about six hundred seats in that model and then to go to the density this is sort of replicating the model that exists here today the bleachers still exists on two sides we we recreate when we need it the t iered seating with a temporary structure and you fill the floor and this this came out at twenty three hundred seats so pretty close to that dense a set up that's in here so we just wanted to give some context to sort of a dense a medium in a low  if the floor was flat on the second floor so then we go up one floor one of the things we were able to find with the height of this building is we actually were able to achieve a third floor along the north elevation of the building which is really great because that's a great view and a primary elevation along a street and would it really helps to give the scale of the new building something appropriate to what we see becoming an extension of this gateway to the waterfront so as the development continues west we think the new building can fit right in its new height with that expansion and that that development that happens so this is actually when i've kind of term it the green house room it's a flex space on the third level that has really kind of three way views west north and east we're showing it is an enclosed room right now and then on top of that is the ability to actually go up to the roof of that level and i'll show you this in the in the three dimensions and so that roof level is actually a little bit higher than even this gym roof so if you had the opportunity to be on this room you get really great views from this roof height it's actually a little bit a little bit higher than that and one of the things i want to talk about too and then greg might have alluded to it is one of the things we're doing as a as a sort of cost exercise is there is a significant amount of real estate on this roof that really does provide some magnificent views in all directions of holland and so we are doing an exercise to look at reinforcing these long span trusses to say what would it mean let's just consider what it would mean in terms of the logistics the construct the construction and the cost to do that to really consider does it make sense to create a new function for this roof that we already have so i'm afraid of heights i've been up there a couple of times i don't get very close to the edge it's usually windy and cold and but it is a great view and so yeah menu item for our priority list is is maybe even capturing this current high roof that we have for the gym so i think that's it for the plans any any questions with the big question is something we will definitely be diving into in greater detail and i don't have specific answers for that but that is something that we've been having conversation with the community groups that are looking at those kind of functions for using this  and and it's something we will we will be addressing different i talked about a little bit with kind of the separation and such we need to find what that right acoustic treatment is and that'll be part of the next step of the process so it's a good question but we need to better understand the kind of conflicting use of column conflicting uses acoustically i guess they might be conflicting so right we do very good point so if only we didn't done this first i would have been so the bar would have been a sigh no but that's a good question and then i'm sorry your second question was eighty eight thank you so internally the what we're doing  certainly the site because you know there are steps out here that get you up and there are some steps over here to the north we're looking at integrating ramps around to some of the areas we might be able to actually massage the grade so that it's more flush i think the southwest will be an opportunity for that you sort of come in upgrade there and some it may be at the north west but certainly some areas where we don't want to we don't want to affect the parking too much so we don't want to change that grade so much we'll be looking at ramping in a better way to come up to the building and into the building within the building we have an elevator core here an elevator here that gets me to all levels all the way to the roof and so that seemed like a primary i've been calling it a knuckle a metaphor  calling it a knuckle in this band because it gets me to all areas that seem like a problem number one i come right in the front door and it's right there so if i know i'm going up stairs and come into the building and i can start to go vertical right away the other piece that we want to provide probably back and probably back here right there we haven't shown as i think about it is that would be more of a freight elevator so when we talk about moving things for storage the basement more just more robust needs for moving things up and down vertically if i do an event in the up stairs space here for reception i've got big ten top tables or something like that that i want to move we do a bigger of now that can function as a public passenger elevator every day but it just happens to be the size and the capacity that can provide those other amenities so that's how we're doing it to get to the floors of the building to yeah yeah for out for elevators yes a little bit of that is good for  something we're still working through actually it's a it's a good question one of the things that we what are we doing about security so one of the things that we think is  community use of this building the flexibility the availability to the diverse groups that are using it today is this idea of of the the entrances at all sides of the building so there's there's  kind of a more exposed access to the building with that and that's something we still need to work through with jeremy in the group operationally to say what's the right times for that to happen and how does that work maybe if there's an event going on where i'm selling tickets or i need that control those entrances aren't open i think technologic i'm trying to touch on kind of all things security that come to mind i think technologically the use of you know if we if we look at the need for some security cameras things like that for the site those are all opportunities as well that we would budget for tips for security we do see i talked a little bit about this room being sizable to be a usable room we've talked about a kiosk or sort of a reception desk type function in there that might be a nice way finding more information station for the market also for the building and so i don't have to try to find somebody back in the offices or  have that immediately so that could also be used as as a face to help greet people as well coming in to the building that answer your question we decided to have props tonight building so what i want to touch on is a few things that i started to talk about some of the challenges that we see as we create physical architecture out of this building an ever hear me ok i'm going to have some people behind me at all times so i apologize for that try to talk loud so because where you saw it in the plans were expanding this building essentially on a you know in the grand scheme with the future we're expanding on all sides so one of the things that we're very much interested in is not just making the wider building a fatter building you know we want to be because we're encroaching closer to eight street and we're encroaching to the east and we could potentially in the future encroach south towards the neighborhood and towards maple we want to be sensitive to the scale of the surrounding community and that development is happened so all of the shops in the developments all along a street going to the east through downtown have a particular scale there you know they're kind of narrow buildings three stories tall four stories tall that sort of thing we want to we want to pick up on that kind of module for that kind of proportion and scale and then one of the other things we want to do is we think there's there's sort of a charm and a familiarity to the building as it is today it has very simple geometry it's kind of unassuming it it you know and it it just becomes  familiar face it's not ostentatious it's not and so we wanted to embrace some of that clear just rectilinear straightforward architecture so that the legacy one of the words that was up there in the in the early vision statement was legacy the legacy of the ex six existing building we hope reads through in the new building so we're not just cladding it was some completely new thing as if that this building that everybody's come to love never existed and that's not what we're after so i wanted to show this existing a little bit just quickly two to two just i mean everybody walked in here tonight so and it's very familiar with the building but but it's just a very clear simple geometry building for for the purpose that it's you know talked about for the site development late in here so what we're really trying to do is bring some of the same familiarity geometry forms of the building out to the new  facades and clearly it's a bigger scale building because of the additional program amenities that we're we're adding to it so what we've done here is we had some conversation this morning about the potential opportunity and success of using more about more of a tower element as a as a as a something to denote the kind of hub idea so that it's something i can see from down a street from the from downtown as i approach and it's something i would also see and i hope i don't drive too fast to make people sick i'm going to try to do this slowly you know it's something then you'd see as you come from the waterfront as well so it pops up and has its own right now that's an element that is that north east front door element so it would be the reception space it would be you know the greeting space it would have the elevator and stair in it and you could see it gets me up all open facade now to the north to the park into the market on eighth street what we've tried to do then i along a street is say is there a way that we could bring the structural module of the building you know if you were in the north hall you see those big cylindrical columns it's that structural spacing out to the new elevation in articulate in a way where we start to develop these kind of narrow three story tall buildings in a way and we end up with five of them next to each other than that provide a provide a cover for the indoor market and you can see we're looking at like glass kharaj doors so that would be when they're down in inclement weather winter it's still very visual out to the market out to the h street and out to the new active park but then those those open right up and really physically connect you right to the sights sounds smells and and everything of the outdoor market and it becomes an extension of that so then above that then we also this elevation is is as you can see largely transparent really trying to capture those views and those connections to the north into a street so that second floor reception area now just looking at this being a flat floor is now a fifty foot from this guardrail towards a street to a glass wall between the piers that then have balconies outside so if you get a wedding reception up there or something like that you have the opportunity to go out on the balcony to look time other times you can step out on that balcony and you get a real nice view up and down eight street from it from a second floor elevation so then an additional move because this thing started as a very crude massing model and we had a three storey elevation right on a street in it was like you know imposing so we started to sort of push back on it a little bit from there to say for that that third level that sort of bonus level that we have maybe we push it back one more level so you end up getting this sort of stepped cross section through the building where i have the projecting balconies that also become sort of street on ngs for the market i push it back one more and i get another elevated outdoor balcony for that third green house level that really starts to provide some relief to the building on eighth street so we're trying to carve away at a pretty significant mass that's that's much now much closer to the  street and then all to milly i arrive at well call the fourth floor which is the opportunity for roof deck and you can kind of see that that's a few feet taller than than the big roof that's right above us here so this gray area you see is the existing roof right above us yes all that yes yes you can step out on a balcony yes so then coming around to the east from from the corner front door is our community living room we brought the scale down a little bit on this it doesn't have the multi floor in there it's one volume so but very transparent to the east  with the thought that it would connect to the multi purpose use on the parking spaces out to the east we've put this angle on it because we're trying to sort of connect that faade back to the core of the of the market so because the formal kind of entry to the building is not so much central direct from the east and on centerline like you do today it's more from the corner we think having this formal straight rectilinear facade facing that parking lot is less desirable and having it have a slight tilt or paying more attention to the eighth street orientation seemed like a nice opportunity at the corner is sort of an anchor to the architecture that are the new are the new toy the rooms and they will be fairly substantial given the use of this room and the outdoor space so we thought that sort of getting them there they're kind of to the end but we thought that part of the experience of actually kind of seeing the building in an experience in the building to move through and finding was actually a nice passive opportunity to say what's going on in this building you know right we did look at some ideas of getting that the restrooms right at the front door and at this level of development one of the we sort of prioritize the transparency of the space and the visual connection of inside and outside to the market and to street as as kind of being more important and so those restrooms then are at the southeast corner and back here in this part of the building in the northwest corner no no so you see ghosted in here just kind of the scale of what a second gym or a second box might be like but we we want to keep that in there he get a sense of of what that could be as a future expansion in the idea then that this living room this connector right here would grow down with it and provide access into that room we'd love to hear which we think we're going to we're going to all be up here the design team of a paragon all kinds of 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