welcome to what normally would be a pre concert meeting before a regular meeting but tonight we're also beginning our budget review for fiscal year twenty six to mean that before we begin tonight or early public comments anyone care to make seeing no one making comments for us this evening at this particular moment of course in the regular business meeting will be opportunity for that as well ryan do you want to talk about anything related to tonight's agenda before we move into the budget message yes  will see that there is two items that are consent that maybe you wouldn't normally see one is the last item for the board public works i think it's number eight and that is because the action on a street on snow melt will follow up with hearing which typically needs to happen after the consent again this we took that is non consent because it pertains to construction contracts for its street and the contractor needs know actually what you and so i just wanted to call it your attention that is not consent i just didn't make it because it's alcohol related perhaps unnecessarily non consent but that's that's what i call it here well we'll have a chance to do this before we move into the business me but if anybody has any thing they see right now on tonight's business agenda that you want to discuss for the moment yes i have one question on item fourteen the one point one that was the propose increase in solar waste program  i was just curious and leave the contract that we had on a forty year to go whenever that came up in the report calls for a two and a half percent increase contractually and that's being proposed to increase of three point mike and it's apparently to cover additional overhead costs so my question is was that potential the past year and that's a common practice that we've done over the past few years is that you point five directly to shout that they're still going to go up and i think in the report when you look at that six per month it's really nominated for not going back up because they are brighter you're not making that decision tonight however with the approval that you're asked to do with fund the entire kit google sixteen hundred that decision will be made  at a study session the following stations i think we've got slated for april twenty second never last we wanted you to see the map in case you had a curiosity going into space and of that other conversation we want to go to the traffic committee as well and between now and then it's been that's an interesting question there are it's their logo and then in various forms it's a much more standard sign which doesn't do it brian i'm looking at you because you're on the sig standard type sign it doesn't can pete it doesn't seem to be trying to compete with the brand there that we want to set up and it's it's exactly like their logo so brian what are your thoughts on  every thoughts on oh no i mean they have their own branding it in a sense we should be focusing on those and i think that that came up yeah that came you so first i want to thank our team tim bagley especially who spent enormous quantities of time along with his staff think about a neck and numerous department directors and people i don't even realize have contributed to this team effort and it does represent a very high quality project although somewhat lengthy so tonight you're going to hear summary and i want to make that summary a sink in short if i can it's intended to be more of an orientation because you can't possibly summarize see if summarize presented oriented in a new program called prezzies some of you have probably seen it before let me know how you like it and terms of what i should do this again next year in short the budget is balanced the there is growth it is not a whole heck of a it's enough to cover everything that needs to happen you know allows a little bit of increases and services via one point eight new f t but allows  capital investment which has been a goal of ours and there is one thing that is new and that is about pension and funded liability and an alternative to consider we have here chart options last discussion questions i put that as number one as we go along if there's something that's that's corny needs more attention of course we'll put it on there make sure we get back to it by the end of this process which could be tomorrow night or could be monday depending on what we have questions first we're going to deal with the mission statement strategies action plans and summary that's what i hope to accomplish in forty five minutes we're going volved the charts so you get into a good overview and we're going to conclude with a review of the capital programs and then after the council meeting the departmental action plans and each department director in sequential order will present that first vision statement is not new to us holland wants to be a vibrant world class community to pull back from environment where people work together celebrate community dreams the mission statement that follows we had a subcommittee look at that we had a number of drafts we i think it's still not complete that's why i call it a working draft so i took a little initiative and pulled up the no budget is complete without one so that's a working on council has seven strategies these are not new to you you refresh them at your retreat economic development transportation strategy you can read that sub criteria we followed these strategies in relation to what we wanted to make sure the budget included it doesn't just include the us i'm not saying that department heads are not limited yet we the presentation is intended to  show how we are intending to meet these objectives these strategies area cooperation neighborhood strength is important i won't go through each one community and family  public utilities some of this i'm not sure has completely been blessed yet by the board but i really liked what i heard there are you planning right stuff in the right place for the right value every action  public spaces well maintained natural areas and also make sure the organization is supported in a variety of ways that creates innovation so after that council on january thirty first looked at  c priorities and i do want to go through each one of these because hopefully you see them reflected in this budget the first for several years has been waterfront development as being the highest priority and you'll see a number of items the civic center in relation to the recreation component and a new vision for the property fiberoptics some sort of rational nexus especially possibly involving downtown this movement on that today that we'll talk about later fire station replacements or renovation at least two of them is an important thing to figure out pension solutions contribution piece number one already up there and you're going to hear more about that in a minute computing and the work we've done on that snow now extending and making better keeping it well neighborhood commercial trying to do carol we can do it occupy the service businesses residential neighborhoods again relation to redevelopment renewal and tree canopy thirty five percent planning more asheboro issues responding to wash and school block redevelopment there's been some new developments on that last week and i haven't talked to the superintendent you had but perhaps jay has  we should talk about more about that later if if we anyone has the latest about his pool in relation to repair splash pads in relation to handling this change improvement to our community recreation plan streets and sidewalks never ending but accelerating in terms of what's needed in what we're doing greenhouse replacement grow house and he will touch on that more later when the lion gardens the business plan and having new programs having it be a more of a central area colony of connections tripling that regionalization always sign ways work better together bicycle highways marking and mapping digraph nature center elation to their addition and expansion entryway s get reducing regulatory city red tape wherever possible and satisfying dog owners talk are one of my personal favorites so that is the list of priorities citizens of holland with the best possible programs and services within the city's financial means inclusive of maintaining fallen sense of place for that's in the budget message and despite last year's loss of statutory personal property taxes as well as what are we into twenty years of proposition eight holding down growth in property taxes the city's probably tax revenues still grew at a rate that exceeded inflation five point two five percent total gen revenue is is there by up in an overall three point three percent here's our strategic staff increases we talked about that at the retreat transportation project engineers additional hours for finance that put a person into full time category and additional customer service hours that is century going to create an all day all week long city clerk and acts on the ground floor of it and it will tell you more about total one point eight f t v that says everything that is kind of new and unique and that's the part of this orientation slash summary except for this last point requires an ever increasing amount of contribution for the closed pension group the close pension group is all of that nine union including the public safety management public safety fire and police unions still are defined benefit the closed group going back to the former group i think that was close in two thousand and three or two thousand and three and it was known that there would be a need need to pay off the unfunded liability and and it was very small at that point i didn't look it up but it might have been a couple percent five ten at max but as we know the stock market changed murs rules changed other factors associated with with this changed and we have nine point seven million to payoff and that's being asked for in eight years so last year there was a thirteen percent increase this year it's a fifteen percent increase over last  never presents three hundred fifty thousand new dollars and you'll see that it does despite the growth here and fifty thousand dollars that's a huge hit huge bite out of the growth that i just mentioned next year it would be something more than fifty percent so i think the economy the city the sentiment of what i hear on council and south this we're ready to to move forward and ways that ensure that holland is world class and yet this acts as a as an anchor  from moving in those directions what's the alternative well we can consider the alternative of pension obligation bonds and over a period of ten or fifteen years this is a research project at this point and tim has recently had we're going to show you the number of communities that are doing this it may be that will decide at the end of the research around july first that we're not interested and will let you know and of course it's cision isn't made until it's made however it appears attractive at this point the alternative is that we would simply pull back on some of our capital we are putting about two hundred fifty five thousand dollars a year into a sinking fund for the fire station replacement renovation project and we'll show you those numbers  by the way the next slide shows a better here's overall property tax zation and you can see the high point was probably and the school year ten and basically it's april fifteenth so property taxpayers should know that they've been receiving this benefit ever sense due to the poor economy at least in their property taxes and it's only gone up just a little bit more and that's because of prop eight fact made more than anything else holding back the amount to equal inflation and property has sold what is there are so five point two five is the tax base growth what is the rate of inflation that actually applies one point six is what dividend payment has increased associated with all the public policy decisions made and the charter the general fund has another way of showing how the property taxes have tipped the red  last year thirty four percent of each private tax dollar came to the city this year the numbers actually thirty three percent of the rest goes to education county and other public sector needs terms of revenues property taxes make up just under fifty percent of the total and increasingly other revenue sources this is a slow change it's it has doesn't go down a whole lot every year but it's been increasingly going it's been going down a little bit every year incrementally and there's always an emphasis to increase user fees and of course to ratchet whatever grants that right is sources for donations to try to make things happen as much as possible in all kinds of ways these are the expenditures in fiscal year sixteen the largest one  is remains public safety it's our goal under the public safety service report to reduce this to forty eight or forty nine percent over time and it did go down last year it was fifty one point two five percent so roughly nine point three five percent higher it's it's incrementally reducing every year these expenditures by type and as you know we are a labor intensive relation to our services and there is no and this is unlike the board public works which is utility energy intensive so forty two percent plus the twenty five percent plus the three percent i think that puts us close to eighty percent at seventy seven percent is related to personal expenses so where are we going going to end up in terms of fund equity this shows the general fund fund balance over time and you can see that it's very stable and going to end the year exactly the same as we started because we're projecting and the current fiscal year no change we've done that deliberately partly to telegraph an impact of having these pension obligations on their we would only borrow three point seven million and that's seventeen percent of the total expenditures all the auditors never say they have less than fifteen percent many of them will say up to twenty five percent so we're right in the range terms of fund equity later on you'll see that there's a budget stabilization fund amount that we save for other purposes and we will explain that in and it's the same amount as it as it has been recent years so we did make some changes to balance a budget the first one most important one was to to look at alternatives for paying off the unfunded pension liability associated with the close group civic center fees you'll see are increased ten percent and there's a methodology to that multi year methodology go through later increase in the parking time fees by five dollars that's motivated that's motivated as much by needing for people to comply because the law you know we have a change and people are a little bit loose about when they can do it or not do it as it is rather than the project engineer long all week long there's a few adjustments in the way that funds are supporting each other for example is more support from the d d a through the city manager's office now and there's more support from the cap five department t v i get the cable mixed up with the department funds to support the communications initiatives streetlight reduce costs both in the least cost us as well as the number in that map their project clarity this is a policy matter so i want to make sure you recognize what it's what this is about we would normally go sixty thousand a year six thousand a year is this what's been paid this year next year given the  i think it's one hundred thousand being put into the in line filtration or is it more like fifty five thousand there's fifty five first central we're suggesting to project clarity that that be would be some credit provided and rather than pay sixty thousand x here let's pay thirty this is not unprecedented citi is evil and did the same thing in the current year so we're suggesting that project clarity amount be thirty thousand next year use the capital fund balance to pay line gardens at four hundred ten thousand it's a fifty year old water line and it doesn't six inches wide and an inch of water comes through actual value grafter high street improvement fun because all the snow melt ever join and use a transfer from the fund to pay for the south shore project i believe that's initial payment we hope to do some sort of tit for quarter improvement district over their long term so the funds are actually to come from hout taking a lot of time now but tim as what you want to say or add about pension obligation bonds well so you may have heard you talk about this before covered know so some of you may have heard me talk about this topic before i've actually felt for several years that we should take some action towards it achieving this simply because the rate of return that are trying to earn against versus what it costs us to get there intuitively it makes some sense for them to take those dollars invest them and all those dollars to come back and in terms of reduced cost for us i  currently we are paying enormous percentage over the rule to cover the unfunded liability component factor those in still in the in the pension plan about eighty percent of what it cost us for them is u a l i mean i think it's eighteen percent is what it costs for their current years service so if we we have this more specific than that we're waiting for some additional information for mers that i'm supposed to come later this month and hopefully we can begin that process and make sure that doesn't make sense for us so once again it's an option we know these are where but it seems to be one that is attractive at this moment it's not something that i'm suggesting for non closed group be defined benefit group there is conversations more in the future that will be held and we'll bring you back margins on that later point  and this is the amount that we're having as a transfer this year and so the fund balance although would be low because replanted spending it and you can see that we've been able to keep that level transferred going in history transfers much more complicated and second so the the other numbers are the amounts the transfer is not the balances correct ok thank you because that represents the health of our time next year under the project underway that would be spent by june thirtieth next year under this budget that legacy funds also those thirty thousand going to the digraph nature cent and the general fund and in the year exactly as it started three point seven million of change property tax levies no no change on the bottom line it's been that way since we had the debt service that need to be addressed three years ago fifteen point one mills terms of the total operating levy no change it's been way sense this amount of knowledge difference went into the fire that service funds for the fire stations what has changed is it's partly because of some growth some additional  towards the street improvement projects as was mentioned in my summary and also the capital improvement projects so small differences but a positive differences so if you didn't want to do the pension mention obligation one way or another so you have to go back to the other thank you so if we do the if we issue bonds to pay off the obligation of the closed group is the payment on that debt service reflected in these numbers it is not what what is what we are reflecting in our to be this budget reflects three hundred twenty one thousand dollars less than what those are assuming will gain that by flattening out the the debt service so how then would we propose to pay off it reflects yes so it reflects about you know i can't remember the number demurs but somewhere like two point four million instead of two point seven so will so that two point four million number will shrink and we believe the rationale behind a shoe in the bond i just want to make sure that the payments on the bonds are somewhere reflected in the tax rate so that all the sudden we're not getting to a point in a year and we start paying on those bonds oh we need to hike the the debt payment to cover the bonds and the overall tax rate that goes up that's not the intent at all i think the intent is there is to shrink the amount we will have to pay to murders in this current the year we get enjoyed one they've already told us that they are willing to go back and adjust that based on  bonds in fiscal sixteen we would schedule it too for cash flow purposes the floor within that same cycle yes so then we can so in essence in the proposed budget as well as the proposed tax rate here those scheduled payments i was a little confused on what i was thinking debt service but then i was the debt service number didn't change but that's because we're not paying it out of that pot so to speak we're going out of the general we're series of internal questions that are obvious trying to figure out how to show that  should you recommend it should you agree should we do it then there are lots of budget yes times right ok thank you sorry about that something in that or can you give us a ballpark figure what that would be here so the five point two five is the overall growth in taxable tax revenues so any individual policy has its you know five point two five increase every individual house the most you can see is one point six percent so one point six percent at one hundred thousand  commercial versus residential values any idea on that this year as far as where that increase is a predominately commercial again in industrial not so much because it's residential the rest of the commercial however has not grown significantly there was certainly growth in the residential sector though i think that in the residential sector increased and i'm just guessing name to the good given all the work the team did him in working on and changing various practices there's one more we're still working on and that has to do with city employees who might be interested in being firefighters during the day paid we're not that's a concept wyoming's doing we believe would work there are some who might be interested it's going to get sick it's complicated to figure out all the ramifications and details but we're still working on that one otherwise you won't see the list fifty anymore unless there's something there you were wanting to bring back up at us in terms of its disposition most things were done and a few things were just put aside as being not workable so when you look at the entire city  expenditures revenues expenditures it's three hundred three thousand this is roughly sixty or seventy thousand more than last year here's last year's budget if you want to look because of the use of equity by the board of public works  with that we want i want to move into that this will capital projects i will get probably a third of the way through and then i want to make sure that brian speaks to transportation once the streets on so i'll end up coming back to the rest of this at a later point during the two days but these are the biggest ones and you can read them for yourself something we've already talked about the seven hundred eighty seven for the in one but i don't think i'll get through them all the time we have available the highest priority is waterfront redevelopment and having some major mixed use development project on the water we have twenty five thousand dollars for more detailed planning  when the time is right to figure out some of the street you know about a friend here as well as twenty five thousand dollars for at least one or two street an improvement so this is a page from the community recreation plan some day we'll have something like this or maybe like that on the waterfront remains to be chairman and that's what some of those planning dollars will help to form a base code is what everyone says we should adopt at that time which is both flexible yet has some limits so you know what you're going to end up with that water resources will probably help us with that or another plan or to be we need to wait for the land the time to be right however civic center is your next highest priority and there's twenty five thousand there for more recreation center detail planning are not yet ready to move that but it is least put in the number in the budget and then there's fifteen thousand for civic center to function better as an event center which would be kind of the call that we'd be moving towards fifteen thousand dollars it's purposefully associated with improving the handicap around and then i mentioned helping it to be more self supporting it's fifty five thousand dollars or generates revenue now i would need to generate about eighty thousand dollars to be totally self supporting should recreation be moved out by increasing if he's ten percent a year for a period of years we'll get there and in the not too long a time and we'll see if it indeed can be self supporting which could be a good thing of course the building sits there and what's going to happen in this block in relation of what's happening in the block to the a's or the blocks to the west remains to be a conversation as long as it's there will use it and long term that will be figured pother optics it's suggested here that some kind of cross cutting team can work through the dynamics associated with bringing high speed gigabyte fiber optics at least to our downtown brian  a meeting that was called by man and i can just today but part of public works numbers and staff has been bored so there's another meeting next week there's no dollars here because it's not really clear exactly who would we've been talking about this for a long time i know and i've been talking about it for about five years now and i think today we've actually had that moment where both city council members or city staff were in the same room talking about this project or this idea alone with board of public works staff and bored  we don't have a solution complete yet but we actually paid actually we've made progress and we have the rough works of what could be an approach for the next six months to maybe a year  to me that's one of the most encouraging things ever so more on that will probably come out the next couple months about locations and yeah you're going to get more feedback from us about changing or not changing the locations of the jury is still out in we're not yet ready to make recommendation but it's not a slam dunk for  nevertheless in the budget is thirty thousand dollars to take this asphalt ramp to the way really station which is clearly a history pair and make it concrete no matter what happened to waverly under the g n d plan that i just showed you there and the four wards are going to compete with one another can hear more about that work competition tonight i think is to the first outcome but in the future there's another competition and all hands on deck it would be fun and  outreach associate shortshanks prize and energy conservation snout dana and we've identified through discussions here at the staff level i need to do some additional maintenance above and beyond the normal quote unquote normal innuit mean is that is done so this summer that actually be an assessment of the valves throughout the system to identify the extent of what needs to be updated from the original system that was installed under underneath the street and any other meaning in repair that's needed as we get ready to make the transition between the existing power facility in the new house on energy part and so there is additional funds that have been put into the budget to facilitate when the replacement when the repairs to the new facility it'll be a closed loop system so i have a greatly reduced amount of sediment that's entering into the cell now to the distribution tubes that are underneath the sidewalk and streets go into the getting that moving forward once that change is made  that we won't have some of the same issues that we're experiencing now over the years that need dana to get questions for you one is do we have similar issues potentially with the tubes themselves yes that that is something that they'll be in your own will figure those out and your cost projections for that but it won't just add automatically additional five hundred thousand dollars above and beyond what we're already paying for the death service because that amount will be lowered and that them whether it's service on the five hundred thousand dollars whether it's service and the existing debt all of that gets funded through the snow melt assessment that's not a general fund appropriation at all correct thank you think you know the rest of the capital projects are outlined here but i fast forwarded to the streets which i think are important for you to hear bryant in the room and and then i want to turn over to the fiscal  of twenty seven you'll see good will and here point in thirteen thousand that's better than we thought of one point so that's good news however brian always has some but if this happens that might go down one point nine million dollars  him and the year after it looks like it's still going to be a healthy close to four million i will know that the resurfacing is usually five to six hundred thousand dollars a year it will only be you know a four hundred fifty thousand next year so brian you want me to wright indicated just a touch upon the non motorized within the budget in the sidewalks budget we intend to do another mile worth of asphalt resurfacing this is basically picking up where we left off at thirty second losers and taken that out all the way to old orchard for that next mile and then we also want to bring back an element of the concrete sidewalk restoration we didn't do a lot of that last year our go to so so that's it for the non motorized here before you tonight on the screen is a i've got a two year and a five year streak plan the five years a little bit closer to so i just wanted to talk a little bit here on the two year that's a little less cluttered but obviously the big projects the big hitters are central eight street in one street those are obviously taking up a majority of the funds what you'll notice in those ryan  and fifteen we really don't have much of anything in the way of resurfacing however we do intend to work with the rare road that's actually ongoing right now on the crossings that columbia and that six tree to work and we're working with the railroad to get those up to snuff and then also you'll see on the lower left there we intend to finish up the grass cup resurfacing  that little piece that's in allegheny county from fortieth on up to the city limit what's happening there is the allegheny county road commission has a project that's going to be basically going to that city limit and we're just going to work with them piggyback on their project and finish out that that gap between where we left off and where they're going to be leaving so so that along with a little piece a link in between sixteenth and fourteen basically round on a resurfacing we did a fair amount of leg work on trying to work with the community there on to improve pedestrian crossing to the park we've now got those plans together and we'll get those up to bed so that we can  ahead and move into construction following tulip time so so that's the plan with that then multi project that's actually some funding that's coming out of i think c b g for that general fund thank you drives the addition of a signal and then also on the other side of the freeway interchange the lining up of sixty four street cable drive in a traffic signal there this is a really important project you know we had been projecting this to go in a future fiscal year so we had some money programmed in f y seventeen that you know based on what i'm telling us based on how fast this is  going we're going to have to move that money ahead and so that's going to put a little more pressure on the cash flow in that bottom line number so i think that's one of those things though that we really don't want to hold up that process because i think you know obviously we all know what's at stake there and making those improvements in a timely manner is certainly something we want to do so so i'm that's working hard on that they're moving a lot faster than i anticipated they would be they are looking at splitting that project up potentially and again focusing in on that southern part where some of those significant accidents have occurred in pull him out ahead so another thing that i should just point out us thirty one from thirty second to eighth street on the map there and is planning to start that up either this weekend or next weekend i do expect with the weather this week we can be in decent that they probably will get going on that  it's going to be a fairly soft start they're going to be doing joint repairs and things like that that will involve some concrete curing and things like that so there will be stuff out the road you know and lane restrictions and things like that over the  weekend but i think they want to minimize those during rush hour traffic to keep both lanes open again they are doing some of this preliminary work had a tulip time i don't think we'll see a big construction footprint out there until after two of time and then they're really going to get going on milling and resurfacing the street there so it will yeah so they are not proposing any detours with this project they're just proposing a link lucas so there's going to be backups certainly and i think the waverly road in particular will see a lot of pressure traffic pressure but we did get through that intersection last year so i think we'll be in pretty good shape there albeit we did have a water main break on the north side but that's been repaired so  so i think another thing that i wanted to just touch touch upon real quick south shore drive you'll note is not in this at some fortunate but it is somewhat a victim of vailable resources and coordination take some of those operating funds and do some some more of that just to try and band aid a few areas to get us to twenty seventeen is actually when we intend to do that with the board j moving on to the next slide this is basically the five year plan again you see south shore drive and then seventeen along with some other projects that just kind of round out the five year  e this this is with the assumption that you know proposal one does not pass we live within our means and and this is what we do it's basically the thirty five year cycle plan if you  will certainly would like to see this map populated more and i guess that brings me to the next slide which is actually if you can go to the next one just want to spend a little bit of time on proposal one it's a pretty big deal for road funding in terms of road funding the numbers there are i think pretty conservative estimate for additional street revenue  what that would only it or not only do is you know i basically help shore up our street fund but also you know some of that general fund money that we point to the street from we could point out in other places like sidewalk and snowmen proved so i just wanted to touch upon that a little bit if you could step back on that just talking about snow melt too i know that you know just recently we've had some some projects that have included some  map basically shows those albeit it's probably shows up better on your screen if you zoom in but at any rate you know we're proposing the extension down central avenue all the way to both road and sidewalk all the way to columbia to round out that that block of eight street and then it goes north and south on columbia ties into some existing  sidewalks them out along the parking deck on seventh and then it will tie in at the night street intersection with some things that whole college are doing so nightstand to be determined that's going to be coming up here  in some of the future upcoming study sessions and regular sessions as we try and nail down the design for next street next year so  exciting stuff i know but that gives you the ability to talk about all these other projects because if we didn't figure this stuff out then we might have some other question to answer so we're going to talk about these group of budgets they find they consist of finance treasurer property assessing the audit and allocate intern's transfer and then some other funds which are miscellaneous things that aren't worth much second layer we're talking about internal service funds briefly internal service funds are basically funds are being created to help us service ourselves so we can charge a cost in allocations the specific fund for example tech services example of internal service fund matt will talk about that fund later but basically we owe you the handle of the costs of servicing our employees and staff through a centralized fund for which then we charge that the part specific cost rather than paying a fraction of somebody's spirit never it's done through an allocation and that's really sort of the definition of that in terms of response a feel dispensing fund an example postage communications and which is the topic emma going to try to explain tonight the other group of funds are going to talk about or their risk management funds and this is something you've had a little bit of conversation with and certainly in deals that each year these this group of funds are the workers comp the disability insurance health and dental insurance vehicle insurance property insurance in general liability insurance these funds are enormously large in volume and we spend no time talking we'll talk about our our fiscal service primary so this year our top priority is doesn't work to deal with the opap and the pension strategies and obviously try and spend a little bit of time talking about that we think that we've got some great solutions that's going to be something that we're starting to do the negotiation process with so we can address those that really drives the biggest piece of or all that liabilities opeth is an acronym which stands for other post employment benefits generally in most cases that refers to health care benefits upon retirement so the the premiums we charge are retirees is not equitable with what it costs us to provide that service so that's part of what we're going to be discussing in the days ahead so if we can address that devil take a very very large multimillion dollar liability away from the city we can address that in the pension piece we think we can also address with with some really careful strategies and we'll take a look at that and they said these are really weighty issues we don't so much time talk and most of perhaps and i know nobody really wants to talk about him but they're just crucially important and we can spend lots of ten's and twenty thirty thousand dollars if we can figure out how to save the millions and ever so it's he does is just really critically responsible for addressing stuff i've got better use of technology assessing tablets is something we've been using so we're always trying to figure out better ways these technology and much most for us most of the softer than one thing we're not on this list is that we've been selling assets on line this past year and i just saw i was just sold one more item so this this  year since about november we've sold one hundred twenty five thousand dollars worth of surplus city assets online which is enormous number we used to see maybe you know maybe a ten dollars or twelve thousand or something like that and so we've we've sold many assets and i have i'm envisioning the ability to actually buy assets and perhaps sell them within the same but with end of the season rather than keeping an asset for ten or twelve years so for example going by them about twenty five percent off retail we could turn around and sell them i believe for more than we paid for them so i think we're i'm thinking and trying to lead us and i really believe that for example even the cars in the fleet and pickup trucks and all those kinds of things i think we can actually have brand new assets in the field but i think we'd turn on would sell a two year old car for you know with ten thousand miles on for more than we paid for so those are part of the things i'm starting to think about ye  we want to do better part of what we want to do is better staff development and we have added a few hours in our office which i think should help us with that the last thing i want to mention here is that we've been using a purchasing consortium through  county this is actually save us several thousand dollars already it's amazing what we can do what we can buy and we have done very very well with that so these are some of the things that we're focusing on a fiscal service in terms of our goal how are we ever finding the kinds of fish n c's that we had hoped to see with that all that kind of stuff yeah i think i think we found very good efficiencies and i think we have saved hours in certain places  i think it is more robust than we've had the time to explore and and learn and so i think there's better analysis tools available to us than we've we've managed to take a date with that would that we've taken advantage of seven copies of things and so that we had seven we have seven copies and we print all those off and then we would send this copy here that copy there and somewhere else and we move those papers around the organization with use of couriers i would say it went to several sets of death so so that process alone now we've been able to change to the point where sitting at my desk i can i can click on a button i can look at all the quotes all the bed information i can look at the paid invoice all through sitting on my desk and it's available to every authorized user in the organization so that that little piece right there enabled people to search and find and look up and see what they paid for something and so that that part of pretty excited about the question all right so the last piece with  with on a public schools were public works that max transit and the city of holland will share in using of this facility the city does the accounting the school does the bidding it sits on school property  but what's going to happen this year we're planning a major upgrade to the underground storage tanks there that's going to be a major major undertaking it's going to be shut off of all fuel for all of our vehicles all of our assets will not be able to use it all summer for the most part so it's going to be a major shift for us and so we're planning for that and that conversation is certainly going to make an impact on what we can do there so but once it's done we will this past year that's created enormous volume of creation and distribution of information to the insurance agent a record i can't describe how much time we spent with this  believe that in the end it will be better for us and i think it will save a significant amount of money but it has certainly taken a lot of staff resources to get there so s of i think i think we'll see in excess of six figures savings so that's a that's a good thing so that is my presentation and many question i'm sure there could be some questions as we move further through the days but unless there's anything right now why don't we get ourselves ready for the back to the business meeting for we come back here for more fun