if you look at page one hundred fifty one of the administrative record contained in that page is a portion of the police report of the arrest and that got portion of the of the police report constitutes a chart  under their names but no such releases are listed under under petitioners name which leads to two conclusions that that regardless of whatever else the petitioner had on his person whether in his pants or in his wallet or anywhere else on him he was not in possession of any kind of identification document bearing his photograph and any name other than book interesting it also leads to the conclusion that the police had no they had no reason to reading the copy of the passport petition or presented what happened was that the petitioner presented a photocopy of this passport his hearing but did not have his original he maintained that the original was not i but in fact it's october fifth one thousand nine hundred nine the indian custom of recording dates is like that of many other countries different from the american custom in that the hyphenated hyphenated issuance not to have the passport on him it's highly possible in fact it's pretty much a certainty that someone who left who left the country for some of his past was issued the month after he left the country wouldn't have it on the person left so i think that and as much as that the docs of the immigration judge were based on suspicions regarding the whereabouts of the passport i think they were solely based on the misreading of the consequences i think i think that impute a lot more deliberate thought on the part of the petitioner than then probably occurred at the time which is early in the morning at a police station  doesn't change the reality of it so he he gave two different dates he gave the what he now says is the wrong date on two separate occasions he can't explain the second one is a mistake so he said i guess he said that i panicked and i lied because he's willing to lie to save his life if you were to believe if you were to believe his life in danger after his arrest teacher was his life in danger after his arrest he surely didn't lie to protect himself from those police you might be saying he was willing hours i'm still not quite getting i guess i understand your position but it seems to me if you're telling me he's willing to lie to avoid being killed one being sent back from any other is no reason why he's not willing to live his immigration hearing in front of the immigration could have been arrested in india after that time that it's true that he testified he testified to having been arrested in abuse on two separate occasions one of which occurred before his one of which occurred before either of these disputed  conclusive finding a sign is the story because even if you say ok the first set of events could've taken place he testified to the second set of events and if the immigration judge just size but that couldn't have happened the credibility terminations over certainly visa and passport back at his house which was not i think i think at times might overstate it slightly ron i think i think i get it i get that i get the impression from the record that this was hearing or in any previous briefing in any event even if it was issued in october ninety nine after he left india there was still plenty of time for him to get a passport from his parents before the hearing which was in two thousand and one almost two years later  he got other things from his parents they mailed him various other documentations including his original birth certificate and other original documents he claimed joining the hearing first he said that  credibility problems and then  that clear that there is a contradiction i believe the question was asked on which i think it be clear and i think page one hundred twelve the administrative record is whether what was found in his pants at the time of the hearing to record page one fifty three it's not clear from the police report from the from the phrase on google they're saying whether those documents were found where exactly on that he didn't know he didn't know exactly where where they were taking him to show him around in new york there's no there's nothing in the record to indicate whether they were planning to go directly to new york there's given that there's no indication of where in new york they were going there's no indication sort of what right like i mean it's perfectly possible to talk to want to go ahead north in order to hit a different route that that might be less trouble and depending on where you're going in new york with harvard's pretty far east from new york  but if you want to go upstate your honor sometimes a long way around is quicker but harper is pretty far east at any rate i'm not i'm not i just don't think that that now but i've been to hartford so