but i'd like to do is take a moment to reflect on some of my thoughts stemming from you going to this friday last week a couple things first of all i don't think there is a parent teachers and certainly the first responders i think but i think the more important thing at least as i thought about putting each time  occurring could occur and each of these communities i think it said the same thing we say here we can't have it here but it does and i don't know that there's anything that the police or the first responders or the schools can do to alter the move and limited that risk but i think the one thing that we can take some positive steps on  area where there currently is an existing structure along hill place road no place road along the bottom of the sheet here the boss sharks currently own approximately twenty nine acres of property on which there is their residence and there is the old farm house on the property lost our property was part of a larger tract of property that sub some divided off nine houses the boss sharks would be the town and the farm house would be not subdivided often to be a weapon structure the ordinance does not allow for the subdivision when there is not public sewer available without modification when there are more than watts and so that's what we're asking for is the right to replace the farmhouse with a five acre lot located here upon which the rain and property could be located we've been before the planning commission they've recommended placed on to it i believe the staff has put those conditions in writing to you in regards to landscaping setbacks etc that would be associated with development of the property what we're asking for is an approval of the modification that would then allow us to proceed to prepare the to walk subdivision of the property and so if you so we grieve with your action this evening we would per pair that it be back to you probably in february for your approval of a two lots of division that would carry with it all the conditions that would be placed in the modification since the november eighth beating there been several meetings several discussions where the neighbors and the raymonds who were looking to purchase the new law and build the house have met on the site and came to a understanding and in my memo to mr sylvester dated ten december there's four additional conditions that would need to need to be added to any favorable  interested in make sure we got them all right i'll start with the five that the planning commission recommended to be attached to this modification if approved one is the old farmhouse in old septic system be removed to  deed restriction be placed on both the new laws in the remaining acreage meaning boss check a breach stipulating that no further subdivision shall occur until public sanitary sewer become available in new new laws can be less than five acres that was a condition that the cost had volunteered as part of this request the landscape buffer being incorporated along the western boundary line neck next to lot one in be upper in lower ponds on the last check property the for additional conditions that came out to the planning commission review or the western side of the raman residence should be set back a minimum of eighty feet from the fence want to storm water runoff from the swale located near the fence line separating the castelo property from the posture property be captured redirected to the east of the bo checked property three the landscape buffer between the costello property and the raymond residence including natural mound or burn to add additional privacy between the two properties and for priority of the building permit systems that seems to state a number but not any comparison to the acreage involved so it's what was the basis for that i'm not exactly sure if i inherited that when and i think that's the the rationale that was back then castello i'm here with my wife jan we are the property that is the closest to this requested modification and we are probably the most affected of any of the other of our neighbors what i wanted to point out was that after this request was made i got together with mr victor and through ed's assistance i met with they listened to our concerns they took time with us with then had another me i had a personal meeting with mr raymond and then we had another meeting with mr victor and mr raymond in ad came back out to the property again another time walked the property again and we discussed it when i say we myself and my wife we discussed with mr raymond and mr vector and add what our concerns were they listen to us and we were able to work out an arrangement in the conditions that you have been presented in addition to the ones that were recommended by the planning commission or the ones we are asking that you adopt we think that that this alternately will work out for the neighborhood because many of my neighbors initially and myself were concerned about this but given the deed restrictions i think it's probably best and my neighbors many of my neighbors agree that what it does with that particular tract of land is it restricts the size of the lots and i think everyone wants to keep the bucolic nature of that area kind of in the same way so i'm here to say that we don't oppose this request i would i would indicate that there were some concerns by some of my neighbors about storm water management that's been resolved i believe and mr victor and add were very sensitive and aware of those concerns and they i think they've adjusted a automatically i think the a situation that started out as a little contentious but it turned out i think to be a very amicable range when we were able to work everything out i take mr victor for his help and want i want to mention this to you is that is that ed really did a lot of work on this and i know that sometimes when folks work for the municipalities sometimes say they don't get credit where credit's due and i think ed deserves some credit here because he really really worked hard he brokered this deal he really act is in between he helped us to bring the parties together and did a lot of time when he came out to the property which was big to us because we wanted someone to see what our concerns were and he did that and smite to an army engineer so i just wanted to mention that so i think ultimately this worked out pretty well so i would ask if you would be so inclined to approve th all right thank you for your time sir my name is mark our my wife cindy half hour we live at two twenty springdale road and in phoenicia and the reason we're here this evening is this custom issue with storm water drainage that has become a problem on springdale road this all started with a bad rainfall of september eighth but by way of some history we built our home in one nine hundred ninety eight and in august of that year our construction was delayed for three weeks because the township had requested at that time that we changed the drainage off of the storm pipe coming underneath springdale road and so at that time we did that at the cost of thirty six hundred dollars to ourselves and it was preferred that we drain the water down the side of our house to drain basins that were installed that were filled with sand and gravel this was then inspected it was cleared and we continue the project and finished our home in two thousand and one we had more accumulation of water on springvale road and mr over cashier at that time requested that i redo that drainage and redo the piping again for the second time which was performed we did that and we paid for that ourselves one springdale road on september eighth we had a major rainfall with huge drainage and flooding of our property the water was coming up over springdale road it came down our driveway washed out our front yard ruined all of our ground lighting collapsed our waterfall and took all of the water down through the side of our home and through the back yard and whatever garden at that time my wife called the police who came and recommended that we send pictures to misters look which we did on september eighth when it became a problem as far as cars being able to trust pass on that road on tuesday september eighteenth we met with mr over kashmir property to discuss the drainage and immediately thereafter mr rover cashier and his crew began to work to fully open up that storm water pipe below springdale road so that was completely opened up with proper drainage and unfortunately on wednesday september twenty sixth we had another rainfall and the exact same problem happened that the pipes clogged because of silt coming off of the home cross the street for water drained over spring the road through our home completely flooded again and so we pictures of september eighth and september twenty sixth when this happened my wife unfortunately had the calmest rover cashier again that day to let him know what was happening at that point we were advised  which it was not which in tribute to all the silt what was interesting was since that has now been filled with rock and gravel we have had zero drain issues and no flooding prior to our meeting  walked over twenty third with mr sylvester mr over cashier the misters and made us we had obtained this report but we had not had a chance to look at that point and our meeting with the three gentlemen october twenty third a proposal was given to us to run reroute the water that pipe that drain pipe from where it is on springvale road thirty feet down springdale road so then the water could be drained between our house and mrs tate's home which is right next to  us but that it cost to myself and my wife of thirty one hundred dollars to do that after we began to review the erosion sanitation plan and it clearly pointed out where the problem was and once that walk was installed we had no further issues i really believe that this is not an issue of drainage it was requested to us that our pipes again are not sufficient off to be able to drain that area however i have completed twice and had it inspected twice and i'm just at the point where i'm not willing to pay for it for a third time on november second we sent a letter back to the township that we really didn't feel that we responsible for paying for this a third time especially after reviewing the erosion report and the other thing that we were not comfortable with in the plan was it was proposed to us that the water just be drained half way down our back yard and unfortunately our neighbors mr and mrs rule you have had water problems for a while now and to just take that water off of my yard and dump it on mr and mrs rowles your i don't think is a good solution so the issues that are of concern to us are number one not only this issue but the cost that i have now due to real and scraping ground lighting reconstruction of our waterfall and the real worry that i have is the effect of all of this silt on my french drain system and what is going to happen this spring so in conclusion the major question i have is that with everything we've been through in this in the last three months the actual party responsible for why this happened has not been included in any of these discussions or in any answers to a solution for this problem and like i've said numerous times i really believe that it's not in my best interest to pay a third time for stormwater drainage especially one for eleven years before this one was begun construction we had no issues whatsoever collect the water that comes from the impervious mess of the roof from the driveways and and hold it and let it seep into the ground so that it doesn't create for the storm water problems down below  we we do agree that there was an issue some time afterwards where the the pipe had to be opened back up and i'm not sure that we would agree that it was inspected and approved to be connected back  pipe was there predated the house the responsibilities on the property over to accommodate the files and by putting two four inch pipes or fifteen inch pipe that you know i don't know who expected what you're saying in one nine hundred ninety eight when the house was built there was no record of the township inspector being at that site although the there was a you're going to be a problem prepared if you have a pipe discharge you are out there that is going to be a problem and dr how far that thirty six hundred dollars in the beginning is that for the sound that you had to install and i was just for running the drainage to the back ok well that i think that we got you asked a building a house i would say ok so then the second time in two thousand why he said you repaired it again no but that that was not part of the original plans what happened was that when w had gone through our plans with the township and everything to build we were almost completely done with construction and it was asked to redo it in a fashion that would meet the townships approval so there was already piping in down story yes so it's logical the water's going to run in that direction so measures need to have been taken for that ok so in two thousand when you said you spent more money and that was to do what you were at that time we w was water beginning to build up again that storm drain on springdale and mr casher came out and asked if we would we do that because of the size of the pipe began at that time and it was redone at that time know and i would argue with all due respect to mr sylvester i would argue that for eleven years we have not had an issue there and i believe it's conjecture to say that this would of this would have sooner or later happened because we've had no issue with it since two thousand and one this is just another example of that day for the different angle and this is you can see how or that flooding really came from this there is if you can downstream deal road where the corner of your driveway but what has happened is the water coming over here just coming all the way down the side as opposed to where the drain play it was in this series here and this is just another view that this is our driveway this is strange you know road the water should be flow through the plane here it's come over the opened up that pipe completely so it was free to float and they put in a cement basin to be able to check some of that silt so the fear radically if that was truly the problem this would have solved the issue on the twenty sixth it rained again this is the general's front again it's completely backed up so by building up that pipe that was supposedly the problem it did nothing because we still have the same issue here it is again this is the through the pipe and since with it's not connected to anything now it's just at least it's coming down the other side of my driveway so that the my house isn't getting flooded but my worry is of might i need to report right in my worry is that by tonight if it would have gone to twenty occasion to travel past there quite frequently and watch with interest as the building was constructed the dirt driveway was dirt for a long time i don't they put the stone and after the second but i guess i don't my question is is that the owner of the house mr hoffa are relying on he was building it to do the right thing and it sounds like the township was involved twice and that situation stayed the same and that's what i'm a little on springdale road at the basin which is now related to the super o's driveway and i'm not even sure i recall how i contacted you but we had opened the pipe up on the high side up the edge of the touchup right away and let it let a free drain and that's how i resolve the problem of public safety problems at that time where it went from there on much sure i don't i don't really recall what our water what  understand pipes that well but we just contracted to have it done and so i don't i don't remember how you and i have dialogue on that only involved in the structure of the house but they were the only contact i had at the time they think didn't do this type work no no they didn't do the cyber mr surprised as responsible for all the site work as i understand is that they were so used to contract so control program was incensed while wasn't yes in a didn't it wasn't it wasn't dealing with the driveway itself to hear all the other controls in around the property so it is the grate on the driveway and anybody knows is the great of the driveway  according to what we would expect because i and the other issue i know they had chalk trouble getting trucks up there going a make some sort of adjustment after that or are we going to require  stand on that side of the road which may have contributed to why in march the water wasn't running off of there because it was there was vegetation and trees i'm speculating i'm just recalling what the property looked like before the construction but moving forward what is going to be in place that tells us it's going to be any better because they're going to pave the way she's going to increase the runoff so and it's going to  significantly changed and you know have a whole lot of water you didn't have water water and and i'm i'm having a hard time imagining here that paving the driveway is going to be the solution to either the s is that least sure is that basically our responsibility ends at the end of what was stole back in the day that's true matter we discussed where an existing neighbor is now being affected by the construction of a new name we're welcoming everyone into the township but it sounds as if there was no that that one of the persons who is because of the fact that water still backs up for him and so my worry is that we're going to solve my problem and create a problem for him because for that last sixty feet or whatever it is it's going to be a river of and if you saw the water coming through there the sea evening we came i mean it's going to be a river history of other past the tenants of developing this site you understand that there's a legitimate concern for the type of business the quality of building on the site so we are interested certainly here of waiting any of the uses which i think are the primary reasons for the cost of a warming a site like that which would be automotive uses gas stations fast food any kind of restaurant or  e any kind of heavy water use any kind of use that's going to generate a lot of traffic so we've spoken with the street look about a couple of different possibilities one is to apply for  the use on the site the other would be to put in place some sort of restrictive covenants which would limit the types of uses on the site we know that both have been done in the past and we're certainly willing to talk about either option on the site is a challenge from a development and design standpoint because it's got a slope across the back it's also  hard we've we've worked very hard and we've tried to be very diligent about making sure that the project fits within those parameters on the size of the building is reduced in order to make sure that we have the proper amount of parking we have thirty eight parking spaces which works for the one to two hundred retail on the working requirement ten by twenty in order to maintain that killed and also we are asking to encroach into the landscape set back by a maximum of five feet down on this and  buffer yard setback so we're asking to go into that buffer yard setback there still would be the time if it ever happens that the road is one we would still have this large amount of area and then  to look like a kind of standard street basically we're trying to make a nice building we're interested in architecture we're interested in trying to make a nice place we understand the importance of this we're going to be sensitive designers we're also eager to have  this is a building that's going to work in the neighborhood and also work for it commercially i think shows that i'll i'll talk to the earlier person said about ed's job he's been very helpful as you very patient with us as this is tak from the point is a nonstarter any variances for non storage or the back of that building looks like you know if i could see people across the street from where i'm not going to be happy i don't believe that it's a obviously david is representing the people that live in that part of the district i think i'd have to say that when i first saw this on the agenda my curious question as to why is it coming the council and i think my goal probably expressed to me that you were just interested in getting some sense of caliph of the opinion with regard to the reasonableness of what you are considering the request  be as it is a decision if i look at the three variances that you're asking for to me just appears as if you're trying to overbuild the site that more chip i don't feel is anything that would warrant consideration  highlands the islands are making it more parking i mean you know i want to propose use of this site you know where that was part of the variance and that's probably the only part of the variance that seems not as  difficult because you talked about low volume retail and to me that didn't seem like a great concern in fact i would think that's one of the only thing she could put there so that their use of it would be something that i could understand i would have to agree with my colleagues that it seems like the building is pretty big for this site i had a question you're concerned about parking but i don't see any way that deliverance will go there is no rear of the property so i don't even know how a truck would navigate through that lot if you had it for the cars and i agree with mr ball you know the  truck come in with delivery i don't see how how it would maneuver i mean we talk about fire cul de sacs and fire trucks and garbage trucks i don't have a clue how that would work in that light weight sketch traffic and high congestion area as it is i would be concerned people trying to get in and out of that lot that they'd be happy with it and i really would suggest you go back and we think you can assess to me this is an over steel structure that could be done from about it so the idea is to try to weed as much of the vegetation that's there as possible and then also you know we can continue to develop the rear you know technical drawing of it might be able to show sort of photoshop into the act to an actual photograph of the site or something more or do you do some kind of drawing which is rendering inscribed with that building could work because we understand we're sensitive to the fact is that high there's not there's not a basement or anything under there well there's not one player right now  all right well you've got some sense of counseling as i understood this you suggest you know what your mission was it may not be actually the taste that you were hoping for but i think it's representative of what you need to deal with  right next time all right i don't know that there's a need for further discussion all those favorite police ai anyone opposed to the day wouldn't want to be my bridge we were put signs they were on we did we did it once budget is eighteen million six hundred thirty eight thousand four hundred thirty nine dollars it's an eight percent reduction from the prior years project three and if the end of the year were anticipating about us six and a half million later so i would if you read that i would regard to be that it would be fifty four plus the six thousand fruit because you were talking about it being about a thousand dollars a month increase which is twelve thousand and that's where my going to go forty to fifty four hours i understand that but when you do the math and divide it by the square footage where a lot is how now so that's why i was a little confused as to what you were put  month to month to but it now i'm saying if the lease expires and nothing is done for example there's that you're saying yes expires at the end of this month yes ok so that's like two weeks and we can have and then  township would agree to not increase the rent would there be any benefit to take in the difference as an incoming donation to the nonprofit you just read what you hear to tie him up for five years well i think it would and i would have to agree with mr ball because if in fact they get this agreement for two years and they know that they're not that they're potentially looking at an increased painting to look for another location frankly gaining it at this point they couldn't live in a week and a half and sustain their services so i think two years is a reasonable  senators to renew the lease they would like to continue to rent the office what i did was gave them a number to get updated to meet our current costs as he did in the past so we take