or for those that want it probably why e's asking for those of the that don't know peter he's been here for thirty eight and a half personally as a resident back when i lived here i was always so impressed with them and my time here working here i somehow want to mean so congratulations enjoy your retirement  one that they pose a risk to public safety and the second if they pose a risk to the property damage we have a actually two issues every one is if it's its property that's no longer right away or on township property they should contact us either here at public works we also get a number of calls from property owners who  they or their neighbors have dying or dead trees and then i get sent through the planning department and they utilize a a forester consultant or go on take a look at that and if it's determined that needs to be about non agenda investments try to make things work out a little bit better we we want to be able to remove some of the trees within the trees many areas regrade that area and then come back and replant trees  the end users are really grasping the concept and i have to make an adjustment to start over some properties you know we were willing to definitely put the extra money in the replanting  i would i would like to make a comment mr marty was reluctant to approve the plan in the beginning and press said it would be a test case and i'm not the engineer in the crowd here there are several of them to my left  i did want to be assured that there wouldn't be by the engineers or planning that there would be any issues from the people down below in the other plan if there's additional grading done that wasn't originally planned and also just ask how you were going to monitor the tree replacement i mean i think we already did a modification when we combined the two lots and he has some agreement in place correct but then you're going to do three for one for the trees that are an open space it's actually property the township bones so i think there needs to be done before we would allow something like this the board should understand what that sanitary line might do to the value of that property or any future use may want to place on their property will that impede the use so i think that something first and foremost the engineers should take a look at and advise the board whether the location is problematic whether the actual use will be problematic for any future site used into towns you may fact put in that area also because it is township property arm like we've done in the past with other industries or companies that have asked for right of ways reasons we've actually sought compensation for the right of way so if we are inclined as a township to allow for that i think it's only fair that we get an idea and set potentially a compensation to be paid to the township for their use as we know there's a lot of pipeline activity going on this is in the same severity but nonetheless they're going across the township property proposed to and i think with the trail access as well that's something that i think the engineer or the board should ask suit about the little proposed location would that impede i don't know that we have any idea for development on that particular part of what would that impede if it would go forward any ideas that we might have going forward so those are my interested in understanding the significance of in other words this is the property owner of that process and currently they are making requests relative to a proposed development when at the same point in time this community public enterprises the township and school districts who are making inroads or hopefully making inroads to make purchasing property under understood but i think for right now the purported owner at least with the permission to come before the board is here in that capacity so i think we address them as we would any other apple this point now granted you lose i think you raised the point to what end with we look at this if we're trying to purchase this property anyway but  the applicant is here they come to the law we have to at least entertain the request and it's something i think in the big picture because i believe there's negotiations or some process under way at this it will shake itself out hopefully relatively sooner rather than later as to whether this is a need to be to address or not on on on the land i thought that our rationale behind the six hundred feet max was it was a school bus related to that there was a comment that we've approved some of these longer cul de sacs from time to time to you mr suit recall what the maximum has banned i mean to me i kind of agree with mr park with one hundred extra feet seems like a lot on the other one sixteenth street so not so much south where of wheat than in in the range of what we've approved the recall i don't know the exact length but for example spring meadows off of  f the center church road runs along the westerly side of the property here the existing golf course access is here and there is a utility access that comes back to the main is shed in this particular area the plan has been laid out to meet all of the one a standards we're looking to be before the plan the commission i believe it's on july fourteenth for their initial review of the plan one of the  the call a sack you will pick up a couple more lots because the length it's a little bit of a trade off but you get you get more cost associated with it but you pick up so watch with it but it definitely is topography for those of you who have played the course you'll i believe this is the third hole and this is the fourth hole and you will you should be pretty well acquainted with the fact of the elevation change that occurs in that area so th trucks typically carry no more than six hundred feet of hose so they came up with this standard that said let's just build fire hydrants at the beginning of it and therefore they can hook to there and they can drag six hundred feet of hose down the street that's why we you've also said tonight that the standard of getting close to a quarter of a mile is a threshold which would be about thirteen hundred feet in length i can't see that having going from six hundred feet to seven hundred eight hundred feet will seven or nine cities whatever that seven hundred feet is going to make any difference to the threshold it will make a difference as to the depok are free in this area denial of that we will connect that and we will cut down more trees and will move more dirt we can physically do it so we just know that that's the direction we will go if if given that not where you're saying we have all our books that it's six hundred feet so earlier about the fact that there is negotiation between a property owner and the school district in the township we recognize that those will go forward if you deem to grant us the extension or the modifications and if you wish to grant us these meant of course if you end up buying the property then all of that will go to the wayside so i think for purposes of our discussion here we would like it but if you don't feel that there's a good planning in response to some of the comments from the township to you i think that got dropped down to maybe about two ten to a nine to ten aren't the information we have in our agenda here talks about the fact that you are also is referred to for application purposes as laurel park this application is rolling hills estates its rolling hills estates which is here before you asking for the modification in the event i have a drawing th that plan is i see would there be any odes for us all the green the green area represents the area of open space i believe your standard is point zero seven acres per much of the open space that is included in this is right of ways to do one big strip as a gas and electric right away and then there's storm water ponds a number of them and if i take out and open part that's the kind of open space that we're trying to now get into our own new development so that we can really have places for people to go throughout the timeship not just at peter's with parker  we would be appy to go back and look at areas that we could satisfy if we were given specific criteria none of that came up in the review letters if there were comments they were given to us as to what it some of that would be easily it added to the down to your property some of that is for you know knowledge purposes there is three gas pipelines running through this portion so you may not want that but we did have discussions and say you know if you want this portion of a bapi to give that to you if you want to create open space corridors along some of your major highways make sure your roadways he's e at this point we have three points of access to this place that are better shows that we have an access point here approximately the location of the existing clubhouse trent we've added an entrance here on center church road and second a trace on saturday church right here our traffic study was submitted and talks about the trip distribution and the improvements it would need to be made along each mcmurry to facilitate the traffic here basically a center left turn lane is the primary that would affect our property right th i'm fully amenable to talking about the financial reimbursement to the township as a any property owner that we would come on that there would be payment for easement itself right now and that's why i thought the board should have asked the engineers user to take a look at that property in the proposed location see one if they would be something they would consider to whether they should be compensated in one of mt because obviously with the ee we would agree that is that something that could be negotiated off to the future again just to give you an insight this is the north easterly corner of our property this is that north easterly called a sock that we were asking for the short extension to go a little over six hundred feet the sewers for the plan for the north easterly corner of our property the only access to sanitary sewers by gravity would be to come down in this way is currently running and here's our northerly property line and here is our easterly property line  and a couple hundred feet away is a sanitary sewer flowing northerly underneath the trail our proposal would be to come into this site and drop down and connect into this manhole this is the manhole that we connect to and so that's the proposal that we would have we're showing in yellow a twenty five wide sanitary sewer easement and  further out would be the forty foot construction easement is pretty standard you ask for forty during the construction then twenty five would be the permanent we have also identified a trail that could come down through the existing contours to this point fall of the sanitary sewer to here unfortunate can't continue on because this becomes too steep for a trail and just by extending it straight through here we could get a twelve percent grade  and that would connect to montu or trail we used as much of the sewer right of ways we could and then it would extend the trail an additional area through there the benefit of the trail is to serve the two hundred some residents there are two hundred some watts that we would have within the plant this would give them access to the trail we believe that that's consistent with your comprehensive plans objective to running about a two to three percent grade if we were to try to do a two to three percent grade we'd be doing switchbacks all the way to connect here but this is the lowest point on our site that is it relative to your property and so that's the point that we have to begin with the trail is relatively flat we can go at twelve percent grade if your staff reviews it and says there's alternative ways we'd be happy to work with your staff i think it's more just at this point an initial request does it sound like a good idea if you agree then we'd work with the staff to work out the details well there's a motion in the second we have received a drawing from the staff identifying where the fire chief as i did as requested hydrants and they've been placed on the resubmitted drawing to know whether the bite size or whether it was the pressures or what i just remember found out that little short tears creek that flows out of the lake there is a high quality water stream so some adjustments ar so we couldn't really lower the building to the slow this wall because of this issue here and it's ca culture was receptive to the council was interested in a traffic light their correct who was ending up paying for it was not clearly decided to get in my back alexion could i ask a question about the you have that riparian area that buffer and given what it takes to build a retaining wall or are you going to actually be able to excavate the way you need to for an eleven foot high wall along that particular the license didn't just about everyone in the country sir the only ones i don't hold currently are california alaska hawaii hole y elapse i just i would love to do a job there and visit but it just doesn't seem to come to fruition so i let that one laps e but otherwise i am registered in every state in the way that the e p works number one this rule has been out for a little longer than a year mentioned we've been looking at this site for well over a year actually in very conversations with washed in a county conservation district they rode the understanding that because this was separated from the high quality watershed stream by a roadway that that right perry unbuffered didn't wasn't important in this particular case when i met with the they seem to disagree so he wins he said the way this works is there's one hundred foot line and one hundred fifty foot  n the d e p will let you that the further wind out you see there's a hundred fifty foot line which we will be working with in that fifty foot area they do allow that but you do have to provide some sort of mitigation what that  amounts to is reforestation as they call it and what we're looking at is we're trying to create an area that our storm water system will out fall through that will treat that water before reaches little shirkers creek so they are willing to allow us to work in that fifty foot area but that one hundred foot buffer area is the no no zone in other words you really can't go over that one mine the only way that you can go over that line is to physically go out and find someone that has property along right along a creek a high quality watershed current and physically purchase that property from them and off site mitigate in the same watershed draining to the same water body nearly impossible to do in order to find that property so what we've decided to do is deal with the e p a and work in that fifty in that initial fifty foot which is what you're seeing here with the retaining walls and the relocation of the sanitary sewer pi ted spoke that you can see that pinch point i'm here in the pointers at work you start right here at this one hundred foot line that you can not go beyond and i located the sewer just as close as i could to that line they are requesting a thirty foot y easement for the sanitary sewer not only are they requiring that we put in a relocated pipe but we're also going to be putting in a larger diameter pipe directly parallel to that pipe so that in the future mr miscues will be able to put the larger pipe on line his issue with not with putting the larger pipe all online now is that downstream the pipe is still smaller so you will tax out that system so until he has the opportunity to  this pipe later on we are actually going to be putting in one pipe that will be used in another pipe that will be used in the future so we are working with jim in order in this area here in order to limit that to the greatest extent possible the sewer is shallower in this area so we are hoping that we're going to be able to get a twenty five foot easement here and then wide it to a thirty foot easement here work becomes deeper and we're talking to joe about that now so he seems receptive to his his big thing was lines here and here when we originally started talking to mr zip about this request we were actually at one thousand feet so we refine our planned work very hard in order to get it down to the eleven foot that's before you here today there one wall or is that other darker line sort of this is this is a wall here but it will meet your requirements to be six foot or less in height and then above that this sort is also this also is a wall and actually this here is right riding right up against the building a retaining wall we're building is going to be as a stem wall and again meeting the six foot requirement the the wall from this point right here all the way down through here it's a difficult site to develop i could go on and on before here tonight but i would bore you with a with plenty of other things that we were the proposed operating hours of six am to six thirty pm monday through circumstances do health of the individual that are pretty severe and recommend the partial payment of interest to make sure the charge of principal district are made whole as far as i mean lost interest but waiving the methodology that we respect out which was trying to keep the arch pretty much the interior in place extend the downstream end of the arch build a new and wall backfill that tend to support as  to something similar on the other side and then they are interior sections of the arch that was not our preferred method of rehab plan a was to go in and do what they call slip wind of this  smaller diameter pipe that in your space that's pretty much that's the most efficient way and probably the best way to do this project the reason we did not do that is we met for the last they're coming up quite a bit in this meeting we met with the march because we knew that it was going to be a permit a challenge to slip wind that for for two reasons number one they don't typically like to see you if there's a if there's an existing stream bottom that is open they don't like to see you pipe that in and they like to see that stream bed remain in a natural state number two is obviously if we let slip one that call right with a smaller circular pipe we're going to lose some cross sectional area and some hydraulic capacity and we weren't sure that we could meet their criteria criteria with respect to not changing the one hundred year water surface upstream so we discussed the project with them we met them down that at his island they're at their headquarters and thought that well we could probably go out and try to bid this out as a more traditional payer for a number of reasons i don't think we got a lot of interest from from contractors to give us a big number because it's just quite frankly it's it's a complicated project well there's a lot of temporary shoring and bracing in there is a design for what they call soil nails to be put in the to the trail material to hold that up during construction and i just think a lot of bidders were quite frankly kind of intimidated by the project so what i'm recommending right now is that we reject the bids and i think we should a permanent repair that that's that's not going to give us products now the only problem is the hurdle getting getting past the deep one up past but working with the d p on the permeating end of it which of of kind of started the ball rolling in that direction with them i  contacted the d p told them the difficulties we were having with the bid in the current design and that we have to go back to sleep mining so i started that process but it's not going to happen overnight i mean i think we're going to have to negotiate with them and try to do is come up with a in an emergency basis like a temporary bracing insuring plan for this downstream end of the call over i've talked to a couple concrete restoration contractors and got some ideas and i think that there's a good way to just a big project that quite frankly we we put a number of two hundred eighty thousand and this year's budget because we didn't have a design at the time you know we knew that we were going after we had the structure and weren't quite sure how we're going to do it in time and i think that the number we had in was inadequate so that's that's the tack i'd like to take with this project is to reject now technically those fees are authorized so what we're doing is we're proposing fees could be approved by council for recreation fee recreation facility fee library fee c the only ones ever really increase we did increase the arm fee from five dollars to twenty five dollars because it's been that number forever in the process more than that process of our fee and then the sylvester you have the fees risen very much or just selectively selectively tracking some of the recreational facility once some went down and others were not they were trying to make their trying to group of like there were some rooms that they put down to a lower category and pick quest a question a couple things there's some discussion in the body of the ordinance that says that peace can be waived and let him trade or exchange for community service how land we're in the cycle that needs to be done this resolution restated retroactively the beginning of the year we've been going back and forth with prince of war and our labor council trying to the items that are part of it we don't even deal with like roth ira and things like that we don't even have those in our plans but we went through this in fairly detail with them and you know recommend aren't required to have her brain anybody that works for a nonprofit political charitable organization religious organization and a lot of those are the ones we get the most complaints of especially when is the the organizations  mount lebanon and i think there was another one and that's what we ended up having to do so to answer the question if someone comes around trying to sell you cable or to sell you furniture or sell you whatever they might be on the weekend then the program to call nine one one the police would go out there because when we issue a permit one of the things we do is we have a record check a background check on these people before we issue a different requests for different signs of different times and yeah we have a policy that the two we policy but do we want to limit the number of requests from any one organizations of the dominating  short yes we call the meeting adjourned i'm asking that everybody stand by here for about five minutes for personal issue