we show the public testimony before we continue or review of the mayor's fiscal year two thousand and sixteen budget proposal those wishing to give testimony you have three minutes comments with the committee that was still assists you with the lighting lighting system green means to be sure your comments yellow means you have thirty seconds to conclude and rid means to stop your comments if you are representing an organization request that you share that with us and also for everyone in the chambers if you will be myself we shall be there too and off are  always making devices or put it on silent mode thank you very much this morning we'll ask mr mike morin if you would please come down a share his thoughts with us please testimony just as a service to someone else more hours it's this was from robin in the window at the bicycles to was killed on the highway last year and she could not attend but i i said i would be perfectly happy to him the man so i think my name is stamped on it as the one who delivered it but that's her testimony i think it's very clear ok thank you mr moore and thank you sir ok now our testimony we are very pleased with the extension of our but k c a l as always is asking for more while the budget mentions other improvements in additions over the next six years it is our understanding that only the two thousand and sixteen budget is being reviewed and ultimately approved by the council  based on the advice from this committee and that items listed in the following five years may very well vanish so we had presented to department public works director good and counsel and couch a concept of continuing a paved path from this terminus at the community park across the makai side of the park to look at how for more specific reasons than could be explained here in the a lot of time but overall it would run about a third of a mile and cross the the either a can't believe it bridge in a public private partnership with nico or simply preconstructed pedestrian bicycle bridge we commend director good for running with our proposal and working to set up a site visit including the councilman and parks and recreation relation to rector point conseco and k c a l reps hopefully next month as an initial step our thought includes careful locating this path so when eventually this segment of the north south collect a road is constructed it will mesh with this paved path along alongside yet safely separated from the vehicle roadway we hope the site visit will be an initial step to get another assignment in next year's budget but for today please help us ensure we extend the key a green way to the edge of our community park in this year's budget as a safe route to school and the morning aloha good morning and thank you for your hard work i don't believe how hard you guys have to work to get these budgets elf thank you for this opportunity to testify in support of a number of past projects that are in the mayor's proposed budget my name is completed in two thousand and seventeen exactly twenty five years from the point where we initiated the project the budget also proposes two million dollars for the extension of the key a green way so that the traffic on the bowen avenue has gotten relatively intense and the city any investment that makes order makes it easier for our children to get to and from school by walking or bicycling will make them healthier and  an investment in their health and their futures and we think that's of a wise investment to recognize these projects have to compete with a lot of other projects for funding but i'd like  there's a bigger project that i know you've been up here before speaking against which is unusual for you to speak against a bike path on baldwin but are you still advocating against that and why you know it i'm not going to allow this question this is beyond what that the someone he represented mr couch questions on testimony presented at a previous meeting or another position on ok the project any other questions for the gentleman i mean that mr you don't we appreciate your comments this morning  shore greenway in particular those mr dylan who just spoke the project is twenty five years in the making and finally we are here ready to give the final approval to complete this wonderful path i myself and my really does what i think these bike paths that are on the budget today all to millie i hope will do which is create a truly alternative means of transportation for residents of maui it's wonderful to have for exercise but it's a whole nother level to be able to use them for transportation the key here greenway is another wonderful example of something that the community can use for exercise but also go point to point to do shopping and things like that and that's extended out and hopefully connected to other bike paos in the future that will allow us as residents to be able to access things without giving our car to drive a quarter mile so i'm highly in support of that and for the same reason i'm very much in support of the hundred fifty thousand dollars that is being allocated to study the central maui and bicycle plan for a while a road and for pop avenue because i think that those are two routes that in years ahead are going to be very important to the community in those areas in particular but if we don't act now we won't be able to do the studies and then ultimately do the planning budgeting and building to make those plows the reality so i commend the mayor and commend the council for considering all of these different plans this year i think that you're setting up a future where you can actually get around without being in the car every day thank you thank you members any questions to clarify his testimony this morning have been we thank you for your presence eloquently and my husband danny bora and their incredibly well more research that i am about everything i know everything in bits and pieces but i am in full support of any budget monies if you could increase the budget opinion i'm born and raised here fourth generation family and for all the future of kids and everybody's health knowing that diabetes of facts every every family and is in in the genes in you know if you can't eat well then maybe you can exercise and bike places instead of driving in cars and adding to the traffic that's already a problem on this island  yeah anyway so i am in full support of all budgets going to all bike plans that are out there thank you think you any questions for the general levy on her comments on the testimony members every now and thank you for your presence next is lead chamberlain all right now i've got to get my glasses out get a little more organized here is for that but anyway aloha and i will chairman council members my name is lee chamberlain representing my always west side as well thought i was echoing through the chamber here with anyway ok no problem i really recently read usa today on all ranks as number three as worst cities for traffic in usa in two thousand and thirteen it was number two  not planned properly to accommodate the populations transportation needs short sighted exclusive reliance on an auto bill and creating infrastructure focused only on the bill was a mistake now the struggle is how to manned the problem i big council members grasp of the potential danger we face here and now as well as start study and supporting alternative means of transportation in your policies using the latest and best design criteria and guidelines while recognizing the flexibility to balance user needs i'm encouraged by the mayor's current budget proposal showing change as part of complete streets representing the recognition for the need to create a comprehensive integrated connected transportation network including walking and bicycling for improved safety better health increased efficiency and convenience of choices the elements of the budget that i'm here to show my support for are the north shore greenway phase fo best climate topography in the world for bike commuting but we don't do it lots of people resent cyclists see they want them to disappear no one wants to ride anymore there are no bike lanes and it's dangerous more of motorists just don't or can't see them and run them over maui county is currently prosecuting a negligent driver who struck and killed veteran cyclist carl hagen last year he is charged with two counts of homicide including one count of homicide under hawaii's fall of a useful law and with operating a vehicle under the influence of drugs and driving without vehicle insurance explicitly stating safe walking bicycling environment is essential to improving public's transportation proper planning implementation of provide for public transportation customers and transit vehicles can create new partnerships in a transportation network think curry's healthy active travel and reduce congestion we still have a chance here in ma if we start now we provide infrastructure understanding of people  testimony mr chamberlain and we definitely feel your passion this morning members any questions for the gentlemen on the simone he presented to us this morning every night mr chamberlain thank you for your testimony thank you next we have a slam on this if that is correct my apologies representing molly bicycling league as a chair as well as well as our community i'm taking this opportunity to address some of the comments that was related  there's an ongoing demand for cross to nature specifically a need for more and safe walking paths trails bike paths and sidewalks we like to thank ma and his organization for current budget proposal shows his change in support of complete streets representing recognition for the need to create comprehensive integrated and connected including walking and bicycling for improved safety better help increase efficiency and convenience of choices we encourage you to pass north or greenway also like to share a couple of comments from over one hundred this morning up to one hundred thirty five community members have signed the petition and i like to share some of them  time mortal transportation increased tourism provide more outdoor activities and reduce obesity there are so many benefits that help economy and support for healthy lives we have been waiting for this for a long time please approve this budget this is from robin hagan my husband was hit then killed by a truck that drove into bike lane last april twelfth i don't want to see this happen to anyone yes there are so many and i guess i'm running out of time but i guess i have made the point i thank you for your time and encourage you to approve we thank you for your presence members in any questions for the journal woman on her  my college location i have a master's degree in public health from u s c chapel hill and occasionally do some consulting in that field i provide that just for contacts today i just rise in a representation of myself as a compelling plan that was done by chris darden partners so i think that there should be plenty of momentum to just really move towards implementation of that and being a resident of that area and why lou as you all know that area is starting to get members this idea of a person environment fit which describes the balance of one's personal competence in something like walking or bicycling with the way the physical environment is and as an example whereas i  have fortunate to have decades of experience as a competitive cyclist and bike commuter to help me mitigate the risk of a long while a road while i ride from my home in the old sandals neighborhood to my paramedic station amala a middle school student walking or biking from how they mcconnell while a to zero intermediate school faces a major risk of injury or death while navigating a quote unquote shoulder that's currently about six inches wide so this plan that's been developed in the multi use path would really alleviate these safety concerns notably and if i have time at the at the end of my comments i'd really like to address some quality of life implications as well but briefly let me give you some statistics that i think are relevant to your consideration from two thousand and seven to two thousand and eleven there were seventeen pedestrians or bicyclists killed by motor vehicles right here in maui in addition there were two hundred six pedestrians or bicyclists whose injuries were severe enough to require treatment at the hospital thirty of those who were injured severely enough to be admitted statewide the overall cost of hospitalization for these injuries was fifteen point two million the average length of stay was a week during this same span of time  responded to a total of four hundred twenty eight injuries this source so indicating that for every possession or bicycling seriously injured or killed there's at least one more that was just lucky enough to come away with more minor injuries oregon or brooklyn or something like that while it is a place that can be a source of pride for middle and low income residents of our community so i really hope that you can help us champion that thanks a lot thank you for just someone any questions for the gentleman members thank you very much mr king and next is healing ryan good morning my name is elaine and i am testifying on behalf of myself just in support like all these folks before me any of the financing for the bike paths i am a there's two main reasons i think that these by bike paths but help our community i mean the first one is transportation as danny boren mentioned just being able to get from  such a boon for us and then for the kids in our neighborhood we live just off on a highway and the school bus pulls up right in front of our house every morning and i think especially coming home from school it would be really great if the kids could could have the option of walking home and of staying leader at school if there's soccer or if there's if there's some kind of after school club that they want to participate in a lot of the times their parents aren't they're not in a position to pick their kids up so the option is take the school bus home assuming schools done or you know if there was this path then they could walk safely home or they could walk to the community center and you know have safe options for things that they could do after school and then the second thing is just health for the kids there's definitely like there's a lot of kids who are overweight in our neighborhood and don't have a lot of options other than running around the neighborhood and just being able to walk twenty minutes home from school every day could  be a really great thing for them and then also in terms of like getting started exercising and losing weight in our area there's not a lot of options for walking unless you want to walk to  town and back there's a track which is really boring to walk around and you see people you know really diligently walking around the track but if there was this option to walk you know part way to back i think that would discreate an element of fun in terms of that exercise and then i think people would really be happy and really benefit from from both of those bike paths so i just wanted to give my full support for them and thank you for your efforts thank  we heard earlier from dan he lives in spreckels about how excited he is about the north the north shore greenway being completed but for people who live in piii it's an even bigger deal right now that's the existing part of the korean way is a beautiful piece of infrastructure it's a lovely path and a lot of people enjoy it and right now danny can use it whenever he wants or you can go on his front door and go for a walk and ride his bike on the on the greenway for everyone lives  the only way to get there is to get in a car and drive there which is a little bit ironic that to use a bike path you have to drive or you or you can ride your bike on the side of the highway but it's not very these kids almost all of them are overweight and they're getting on the school bus to go be driven two miles and it seems it's you know people from another place or time looking on that would probably think that it was provides them i mean dish an opportune exercise so i would really like to see that happen and i'd really be grateful for your support for both those items thank you stuart any questions for the gentleman remembers every night mr stewart thank you for your testimony mr little in our district is there anyone wishing to provide testimony the last once more if we can train connect ms lu and or anyone in hana wishing to provide testimony waiting to thank you is there anyone in the chambers wishing to provide testimony that has not spoken these make yourself forward to the podium please  but talking about bicycles and since the police are still here got more to do with the permits they arrested a guy for camping in a park somewhere and he's one of those guys who keeps all his stuff on a bicycle but i gave all the stuff back except for the bicycle because he supposedly didn't have a permit so i was hoping somebody could help him out and  testimony for today's meeting section thank you very much have with us from the department of police i think you are captain played ho to assist us with the review of the department of police's two thousand and sixteen requests i would ask the captain though at this thing are you able to give us a status on all of the two thousand and fifteen this current year's fiscal year status on your projects at the same missing my staff is currently working on collecting statuses of all the different departments projects and i have we have many of them completed now one of them is police so they can provide that to you now  police facilities and they are currently working on renovation to the record section and they're in the design phase for that and they are in the fourth phase of a security camera system but that's the current status and then for the conoco police station project they received a million dollars for acquisition and entitlements planning different things like that the department of finance has sent a letter to the landowner with an offer and we are awaiting the landowners either acceptance of that offer or conner offer and we have done a title search of the property and are  awaiting once we get that response then we'll be evaluating that and then providing if accepting it providing a recommendation by resolution to the council to approve the purchase of the land in  locker room have some issues with some of the lockers over there actually being a safety hazard side from the records renovations we're looking at a classroom at a firing range to make it much more efficient for us when we start our classes up again i and that's another project that we need to get on other than that i'm reviewing all the paperwork and things that are left in my predecessor and the position i'm in knowledge trying to see where we are in certain projects and get it up to date enough to spe you i forgot to mention the start of this ca peer review your chair is looking at reducing bahrain by fifty percent and i mean sorry if the general acquired yet majority of that cost is land acquisition and has not been expended to date we have until december i guess to utilize those funds so mr chair these the design of course would come report of the current your current proposal for the bond float beginning in the status update we have sent a letter to the landowner with an offer in awaiting their response what are they asking or what do you prefer not to discuss that on was actually mr chair i'm not aware of that number and i didn't see the final letter that got sent off to as an offer of some not sure yet but it's it's within what was authorized by counsel again i'm not i  negotiations and i were not aware of what their offer was i can tell you if it's not within the amount that's been authorized we will be to counsel with the budget amendment along with the resolution authorizing us to purchase  you have not you're still in negotiations for purchasing the property so it's it's not a definite i guess land deal that we're going to be entering into the  in reference to the design itself will that five hundred thousand be used for a design for the specific the land that you're in negotiations with and thank you mr chairman and you know we don't start design work on a project unless we know what the land that we're going to be setting the building on a lot of the design does depend on the site itself the different parameters and  land we were going to get so this five hundred thousand is basically money set aside just in case we purchased the land yes we were we're hoping you know the council's prior it's a victory you know open your arms to buzz is this purchase pretty pretty solid i mean on the words the feel very confident in what's happening right now or there's some speculation or some the purchase and if it's not then when we got to go and start looking for the land then that might delay this project but the overall need for a new police station in is there and that's something i think that that's been approved you know by five prior actions so you know if this specific land parcels are not approved for purchase we're going to be you know continuing searches and working on that i wholeheartedly agree with your location for the present police department is very difficult and then we gave them usage of the old fire department which every time there's big green so i agree wholeheartedly we need to move in and get something for them so thank you for moving along and i hope comes through because we need to get this done we've been talking about it for a long time thank you thank you last year she's kind of working on you know what looking at what the needs are for the department and island and approximate costs is related to those and so looking  at those factors has determined that the construction costs of two million dollars was well would have been nice is probably under the requirements that they would have so that's why should the numbers been revised to be more reflective of more fairly accurate number of course until we finish design and we won't know the exact amount of the project but we're trying to contracts are ten percent or so plus the engineering and other factors and yeah we do normally budget around fifteen to twenty percent i think for design but the  here maybe she could i don't know if she has any more information about the actual numbers that are in here that are being proposed coming give answers that would help determine the fate of the projects looking at designing the fire station similar size as the knife fire station police so the they're looking at a design or size of the facility similar to the ideas right yeah that's what we're still have to pay the architech because that design is dated so the building code compliance and also the liability for the architect not really except by you know they're pushing into the design and is that is the process but i am concerned about the land acquisition and the actual costs and it's me end additional comment you can give the comedian but the misquote well regarding the acquisition component questions on this project members mr white has any has anyone questioned what it would cost to have drainage project performed in kind of because we you know the police station and fire station are bailing out but we still got a lot of other facilities there that have to deal with us and the police facility is still there and it seems that  spending a lot of money on acquisition that could go into upgrading existing facilities if there was a drainage project done to solve that that ongoing issue and you know i just have a little bit of a problem with some of the departments bailing out of an area that is subject to flooding without us trying to deal with the flood the michoud to begin with and you're saying your question and it's a very  far as if that's the portion that they're discussing or if they've looked at specifically that area around the civic center where it does you know just kind of sit there for water just sits for a very long time so ok thank you thank you most likely would be another department maybe parks department can occupy some of that areas you know specifically when assistance of heads and was working on this project with me in replacement of the police facility different things like that but the buildings are still very strong and if the flooding issue is resolved then the space would then be available for other county uses i don't know that there's been a detailed discussion about that yet but definitely would be an opportunity to utilize those very in full free control of the land under the facilities where is that on a long term lease we believe it's our  moto in discussions with the police department they intend to move to dispatch which is currently at the conoco kif fire station to the new police station that's their intention policeman still more why it needs to be with the police department is there is it because they work so close together they work so closely together with the fire department as well dispatching is on their police department as we viewed its budget last night yeah that's true they have the dispatching component for the county because there's a whole i mean they've got a really nice space over there at the fire station that if it's there this is part of the rubble of why we didn't move forward at one yeah football build after making a space to accommodate the dispatchers in the fire department building i don't i don't understand why we don't leave them there you know we should have built up a dual facility back then but it seems like we just kind of step on our own toes from time to time as we move as we move through these capital projects and i would rather that we not and duplicate the space for the dispatch people since we've already made a space that's i think accommodating them very well so i i won't be terribly excited or and following will be up country mali fire stations and public works and then the white liquid district public works and all of the police and fire units in central ma and that will complete the subscriber rollout aspect of this  date it's been pretty much on schedule we had about a six month delay in the project working on a connectivity issue between one of the sites that's been resolved and they are moving forward with it so that handles the the major portion of the project the actual radio system behind all of this and part of the overall c a p is the construction renovation of additional facilities one of those facilities in west mali is a valley we've built a small relay site to address communications issues in the valley that has been built and is on we are also in the process of constructing us site in to handle a significant issue with the valley there is absolutely no coverage in there and every time there's an issue on the below becomes a log jam responders police fire medics going in there are unable to communicate once they go down into the valley and this will resolve that in a loss to help cover our country and central significant medications issue though a lot of things happen at that deepwater port and the facility there is under construction as well that is another three months to completion online i wholey up on i we are building a new facility completely new facility that is about forty percent complete right now  we are dealing with some environmental concerns with the endangered species there is a large colony of what the point petrol's about a mile or so up the road and there is concern about the bird strike in the t we've gone through our due diligence with the fish and wildlife and we have obtained the biological opinion which allows us to construct the tower we're now in the process with working with pool milan i on creating a habitat conservation plan to help the species the colony grow to help replace any potential losses and improve the numbers of the endangered birds so that is in process and until we can get that in place that plan in place we have it we have to kind of hold for the state we could proceed which at that point we're covered on the federal side but any fines from the state for any potential they would be a liability that is something we're in discussions with the state about and we're going to see where we can move forward the birds are beginning to come back to the are unable to to wreck the tower and we need to wait till at least november the stack the steel to get the tower at the air so that brought a little bit of a delay in an adjustment in the project which is still within the cost of the project that's kind of where we are right now we're also the xining two facilities in west ma we as we were doing the system we discovered that there was some need to add additional facilities one for the radio project and two for overall county communications as well currently everything in the county goes in fiber into la hina and on several occasions in the past that has been cut off so we're creating a means of creating a radio link in a microwave link to get us back up to the fiber and those are part of what those projects will provide for us he'll also get us connected to learn to eat with  capacity everything right now is on very limited data they are in great need of more connectivity and this project is going to be able to those facilities will be able to be leveraged to be able to provide that  so the project handles not just the radio communications the walkie talkies and the mobiles it also supports communications overall of doing business within the company and those are the partnerships that we've created with i d that's where we are right now if there's any questions we appreciate you giving us a snapshot of status at this point in time so thank you very much and the other departments what you know police is performing use did a great chair it was a communications lag i guess in the transition with captain i'm not moving along and apparently this got missed and the original plan was held you need to kind of take a time out to wrap up what we work for the county of my we in the department of police so yes this chair appreciates your comments and we'll miss him keen members dead i could use more news like that members we have proposed a total of five hundred fifty thousand dollars for the upcoming f y sixteen budget everything for as prior years i believe it was two thousand and fourteen still couldn't do it in that amount chief did you for that project so that it's like all the paintings for all the sites or independently per site we tr christians my only other observations is that you know the condition of the inside of the tank is what's critical integrity of the of the sides the picture that we've been provided  makes it look like we don't have a maintenance program at all and i'd like to think that the department could come up with a method of standing and painting the existing tanks to keep them keep them and good working order for a longer period so that but i understand that we need to replace some of this wish we could get a little more life out of them and the total was roughly about two hundred thirteen thousand dollars three tanks and yes we do have a maintenance program those tanks were at it's life expectancy already for both inside and request which is crony wait for facilities in the three hundred thousand she is chair our request for three hundred thousand goes over many facets of maintenance for our stations we have fourteen stations that we have to maintain on an annual basis which include mechanical systems structural systems architectural interior maintenance safety and security and other site improvements to include but not limited to installation of hurricane rated apparatus doors non slip floor finish replacement of old generators all the time and it's going to get run down anyhow it is a difficult sometimes to me thing so many and that's why every time we add a new station we've got to remember this mean that this falls not just what it cost us to do something you thank you is that you think you thanks chief for being here today on the three hundred thousand operation will that be divided equally among the different stations in or not it not  sometimes contingency for those issues so would have to take a project that was on the table take it off because of a merge and see situation we would any station so ok so part of the funding for this that time period and where we're not slated to have it replaced so right now we try to replace it on a replacement schedule and if it goes prior to that then we'd have to hear mark most of that money for those projects ok and then one more question  officer works in getting contracts to handle those situations so the rehab plan would then put into like timeframes where dry already with this station needs to be fixed in great certain areas and asked and they're ok i guess that when you're going out in place right now we have it for some stations and we've done it for some already but we're trying to develop a plan for the whole all fourteen of them ok similar to our vehicle replacements were very good thank  thank you do you have a list of the top five priority items that you need to focus money on number one would be the apparatus bay doors we have stations that are inadequate to sustain high winds so that would be on the top of the list and what's the cost of those doors and and which station right now would be the first one on four stations updated would be cool of equipment and i feel more comfortable if we if we can get a list of what your priority projects are aren't we can prepare one for you know what they'll cost alright and i realize that some of them have to be set aside if growing up so much are around you and it's so congested rate there i don't even it seems like such a hazardous place for you folks especially if you had to make a quick getaway to get to the fires kind of situation so you know i just thought to put more more more money there are verses i know it's a tall order to try and you know relocate but is there talk about that it's not as of yet it's been an idea because their road has been very congested multiple times throughout the day and i think with the new bypass that's coming through that's going to a levy that so we'll see how that that is in will try to figure out if if that is an option for us but being at that location gets us basically to all the main roads pretty quickly but that has been a concern for us for many years now thank you for bringing that up but  already you know it seems like it's extra busy now because everybody's using that road with tents and road clothes so we probably as you say know better when all of this is in place but i agree it's kind of a crazy place to be right now and i feel sorry for you when you try to get out of there  i am trying to understand some of these things would come when they see requests and already impede seven sixty one of the details members   discussion and request a corporation council work with my office and department of finance on the you know what is a capital improvement and how it's budgeted and then how it's expended and then recorded in the part of finance and you know each area has its own issues in those factors you know when we look at a capital improvement project from budgeting standpoint you know we're looking at something that you know the code is very brief and basically says a county and a capital improvement means a permanent improvement or betterment as this from ordinary repair or current maintenance you know so you know in the brief sense of that definition the department of fire and public safety should be appropriating items that are ordinary repair and current maintenance of their facilities as you described in their operations budget from hermann improvements or betterments of the facility that are described in the capital project for this  fire facilities item and i can get into more detailed discussion about that if you'd like mr chair but for specifically for your question related to the fire  appropriations requests in operations and c h p those are the related responses thank you mr bush that you folks are looking to improve expand or develop that's a good question will probably be the place for ocean safety wants administration can and mechanics can move alt that would be a possibility for us right now we're kind of scrambling on where we're going to put them so you know it's a tough one because we don't have space ok it's not and no we don't we don't have one at this point chair but we can provide one for you yet i be very reluctant to go see them at what we are discussing before i would even yet those are the three who right now five bays yes well as as i've said before chair to spend one point zero so a little over two million dollars projected  to protect three pieces of equipment that don't even come close to that amount of money seems a little bit overboard and you know a lot of the equipment if you got wild land thing it's is built to be outside and i just have a little bit of a problem supporting construction of things to protect spend more on the on the on the building that it would cost us to buy and buy the apparatus maybe a year earlier as i said as i said i've got a now twenty three year old who bought a tract been sitting out in the rain and the wind in the sun for twenty three years and it still works just fine so i'm not a i didn't build the garage for it and it's still doing its job after twenty three years if he has the time i'll actually give him a ride in the bucket so that we know where you get your members to be fair to the department i have been hard on the department to protect the expensive equipment we send to the nih and so you know to be fair again i have a push to department in the chiefs and i understand your comment mr way about my experience of having my family one hundred years as part of protecting the county's assets as best as possible and so i just wanted to share that with them the department has responded to my requests members thank  till reinforcements are rife and so i would like them to have the best ability to perform and provide them with the island's needs because there's just one firefighters chief let's move on to the next project please i believe it is your co whoi station he has called the fire station apparatus shelter  would be to house some of the backup apparatus in that area we are parked on top of each other in some cases in that and that location as we spoke about earlier and also to assist in our repairs and that specific area that the church you know shares also i find it difficult that there will be no operating impact regarding operations and maintenance for a new facility that has to be a impact so mr chair from my understanding of this project it's going to be a rather than new babies and it's the kind of a carport type covered structure so that they can cover these vehicles apparatus shelter because it's basically just to cover the vehicles there's not going to be need extra you know electricity use during a thing like that i suppose there could be you know maybe have gone through all kinds of ideas through this whole thing so i just wanted to make sure we're on the right track it would be a metal shelter yeah with possibly two sides to it and if you look at the picture that's what our parking area looks like on a daily basis and when we're doing repairs and we have trucks already in the repair bays then we put the front line apparatus would go into that that covered parking this is going to be run through your deeper minority partment of management this project to where you are is going to be in charge of this decide whether we will be fully engaged as a department about his men or their stuff is capable of primarily overseeing this contract we found that certain types of work they are more than capable of overseeing the entire contract with the assistance you know from our department versus us like for instance the hina three b apparatus we were fully engaged and completely provided oversight for that project but that was a actually a building or facility this is just a open partially open sided shelter so we will make that decision but we're prepared to be fully engaged if necessary on the side of their main station so you've been there if you have an opportunity to just consider and he said when a chance to look at what they built and see if that is something that is suitable for our department needs alleviate some of the congestion that we have here in the picture that is the plan and we did look into that type of tent structure that the chair has mentioned the cost is pretty close to that but we're building as well we're hoping that that would be the case but we're not sure what size they would allow us to have there as well because it's going to come weighted with some cost so  there i do i guess there is some equipment in department of finance that is related to the department of foreign public mr chair and members speech seven hundred twenty eight of the proposed budget document lists the purchase of large costly and thinks so yes from my understanding of my recollection this is currently the ocean safety fills up at the base yard and the department of foreign public safety the language here right yet because we're not sure exactly how we can do it because of the the nature of the movement of the merger where we're going to put them it's going to be based on space and our ability to  large it's not that big but we're just trying to be flexible on where we're going to go because we need to address that at all so thanks yes i would say  station and also you know this is one of the differences between departments and how the the budget for items in and request different things the department of parks and recreation which is where the ocean safety divisions coming from budgets their fuel tanks as equipment so if you remember the golf course fuel things were requested as easy as equipment i believe so you know something that isn't and definitely expands the the use of usability instead of just placing you know repairs and maintenance kind of an item so that's another reason why i would fall under capital thank you for that for the christians in this area thank you brings up a question there are the other tanks that we were talking about underground tanks and is that where the installation costs are so high you know they're all above ground  and the installation is still eighty thousand dollars yes it's all dependent on how big the tank is sort of size of the tank and the area that it goes in you have to do all of the  things to that tank it's double walled it has all of those different things that come with it and it changes quite drastically on the one bit to the next so we're just trying to get a good feel of what we've had in the past and hope that the cost comes within that what is the capacity of the other tanks and we're talking about are they all the same or are they some are three hundred and some are thousand or any or five hundred at all it's all dependent on their jurisdiction  their usage because then one of the things for us is the ability for it to be filled appropriate times and then if we can go on for several weeks without having fuel come in if we cannot get it there during a natural disaster so that's one of the issues that it seems like not much of a distance change and to spend one hundred thirty thousand dollars we could use on something else might be attractive  you know one of the issues is the ability of them being able to get that feel at any time of the day as well and then it's specifically non ethanol which wreaks havoc on all small equipment including marine equipment so that's one of the reasons that we would have it dedicated just for those purposes as well within our department our bolt not just ocean safety but  works doesn't have a non ethanol tank not that i know of but what is parks have because they have a lot of small equipment to we have to double check on that and you know i'd just like to know if there's another operation where they're you know they're obviously filling up at parks if it up and where they get their jet ski fields from parks public works but i thought you said they needed not ethanol well that's that's how we want to do it because what we find is if we're running ethanol fuel in any of our small equipment we're doing repairs than we've done in a power but if i mean parks they've got a lot of that kind of equipment too it would just seem you know i just don't like building thing for one department if it's if it can be shared in some way that i don't know whether we requested items on this idea we did for the departmental equipment but i don't know whether this was included in the equipment they do send their formal requests to in the departments to keep and we are awaiting the response and that included all the equipment on this list not just for a fire ok we'll take a look at that when it comes to be fire department either to use that or is it because of cost or what why separations from all departments or is there mr b s you know mr cherry not very aware of this issue than the fire has generally you know have their own gas available to them for their vehicles and different things i recognize that but i'm just wondering in and respond to mr white's concern is why each department  thousand each i'm not sure exactly what the total cost these we were hoping that we can get one of those two for one specials were to be honest with you well why you golf course maybe try men with them because they're a thousand dollar fuel tanks or ninety thousand with pum ping system and i would assume insulation but it doesn't really say here in our details you know it ninety grand each so you know we're all in one county you know one of our problems is these where we go all forbid that it changes quite often and drastic based on the companies so we're just trying to get within a range in whatever we don't use you'll get back where the problem is if it goes over  bit goes over and that's something that we can actually pull off that we don't have the money to fill that gap that's our issue and term members one thing to note is that the other tanks that are in this budget are replacement tanks so the pads that are there and some of the spill coverages and those kind of things are existing in hopefully can be reused versus this would be a new tank so the underlying infrastructure for that think would be needed to be put into place so that could create some additional cost as well you know along with the protective barriers that go along with those to come pretty costly you know one of the other suggestions on base based on mr white's question is utilizing that fuel master system that public works has now that we put in our budget for our trucks and if we could put that in all of them then  ocean safety could easily go to someplace else one of the issues is that when we plan things old where whether it's a station generator generator or fuel capability or capacities is based on disasters so our ability to maintain business during a period of time is something that we stay we want to be responsible for and we do share in our outlying areas  that feel if we do have with the police department and vice versa with public works and vice versa and mars well we have a family with them that they would pay us for their usage of our fuel so we try to share it with as much people as possible in an emergency situation by all means on a daily basis we try to stay very responsible for what we what our operation ace so i hope that clarifies that pictures yesterday these requested equipments are we're not included in that response but my staff is immediately requesting that information from the departments and hope to get that to you shortly as well so the ocean safety is would have access to that as well as our department right now we have a security system that we are allies to get in at all and they would have to go through that whole process to get in that security area yeah and it's all locked down all of it is you guys got there within that time there are in good shape yeah i believe that's what they're doing now so yeah yeah and it will definitely continue even if this gets approved until the installation right thank you thank you my good point chair that would that's our plan to maintain utilizing commercial ways of getting fuel for that specific purpose but if a supervisor is going to and from to get it on a and everything else so i'm just asking if that was part of the options of consideration on how to approach this issue that is definitely an approach but that opens a whole another can of worms  with that deal t and how we maintain a trailer that's going to go back and forth we've been trying to do that right now for our helicopter and we sure are trying to get through the hoops to even have that know i don't know if you know it's one of those situations where if you don't use too much fuel then it's not worth the investment then if you use too much then you have to add a driver for the we just appreciate that you were looking at me at all different types of photo op the cat chief if not we'll move on members chief thank you very much for your presence this morning we appreciate your chair thank you members have a wonderful day thank you we shall start next with the public works and we would do as much as we can before the midday break members paid seven hundred seventy seven is the list department summary of the capital projects and individual projects sheets for department of public works start at page seven hundred eighty one thank you very much two regarding safe routes to school state appropriation just to give you a background on in this in two thousand and thirteen the state legislature passed a bill that created a safe routes to school fund that use assessments collected from traffic violations speeding violations in school zones so every year after that the all the assessments collected are distributed evenly among the counties for them to use toward safe routes to school types of projects for molly county we received an appropriation for f y fifteen in the amount of one hundred one thousand dollars and although it's not indicated on our projects here we did come in for a budget amendment  some time ago believable it was a month ago and got that included in f y fifteen so that didn't make the the printing of this document so i just wanted to make that addition so for for fifteen we do have an appropriation of one hundred and one thousand every year after that from f y sixteen on we anticipate receiving approximately one hundred fifty thousand for safe routes to school types of projects not just to give you an example of  what we need to do as a department is create a program and how to expend these monies we also have to identify a cordon eater within the department and we've already identified that that person who is within our traffic section initially what we intend to do with the the monies is expend them on items such as feedback monitors and rapid flushing beacons at crosswalks  where schools are located right now the school areas lack that so we want to provide a safe environment for the students to walk across the school parents teachers and other community members and then speed feedback monitors have also been very successful in different areas in not monitoring speeds but helping with traffic calming so for the  for those monies that's what we intend to do we intend to purchase those types of equipment for for areas near schools and we are prioritizing the ones near collector roads prioritizing schools near collector roads any leftover monies we have we could also use them towards not infrastructure type of projects such as educational programs with the schools there's a lot of cordon nation with school the school community as well as safe routes to schools so just wanted also to make note of that projects are getting safer roads i just want to toss a note that we currently have in another item in here for the safe routes to school project that uses a different part of money from the federal government this year is a say a state run program that kind of help supplement that safe routes to school funding right now because this is fairly brand new like i mentioned earlier what our priorities are right now is to use the monies towards installing those feedback monitors and rapid flashing beacons that crosswalks the funding can be used to maintain or replace those type of take a look at the the distance so it has to be within one mile of the school or one point four for elementary schools and one point five miles for schools that are for six to six graders to eighth graders other than that the other criteria is ensuring that we have projects that  encourage more walking and biking so as i mentioned earlier non infrastructure projects such as educational programs would also could also be funded for this from this fund appropriated for this you're saying is from a special fund the state special fund that's correct can we use some of those for the repair of sidewalks or at least bikeways and projects are located within that certain criteria one mile away from an elementary school and one point five miles from an intermediate or middle school been as long as it meets that criteria then we could use the monies towards those kinds of projects ok and i also wanted to note that there is a reporting requirement on us so every july we submit a media report to the state department of to really appreciate the state for any i would really like to know how much we expend in from the county coffers to implement this because it i was somebody the only question i have and a great program very happy that the state has recognized the situation because a lot of it is because they pushed back from one mile to two miles as far as pick up and far our  children from school for school bus programs and i think this was a reaction from the school district and parents and others that were very concerned that you know now these children have to walk even though it's only a mile but in many unsafe areas no sidewalks no ability to protect their children as they're heading to school bikeways would be a part of it also you know so all of this is their priority list and i guess that's my question is there are some kind of priority list that you guys are going to develop because i can't think probably almost all the schools in what we call the three d needs the work now obviously but is there a priority list as far as who would get the money for  but i'm pretty sure yeah you're right every there's a lot of schools that are in need and of this you could use my elementary if you could i mean if you start i can go in every school because i pretty well acquainted with where the schools are located and how much which schools really needed immediate me because of the number of children that have to walk in to school or biking to school areas probably be another area that we need to look at because you mentioned coldly many of the appropriate committee or maybe mister cochran you know well it doesn't make a difference what comedian i apologize i don't so you know you get upset get upset but i'm just trying to say whatever comedians are appropriate shouted we we would have our idea of what's  people crossing the street so i have a personal acquaintance with this i think it's a wonderful idea thank you thank you scott thank you chair and you asked a question of  deputy director in regards to update and you know the usage of the current one thousand and never really got an answer so if you have an update but also i'm thinking she did mention too that a report  given annually and so perhaps if that court report is available to us you know just to be in the loop as the years progress and we are researching for these funds i would be an additional way of being updated on you established and it's taking it uses the cesspits collected from violations that occur in your school zone so it's two separate pots of funding one from the federal government that's for  the the prince's the he and the project comalies another one but your school we're going to talk about that later this one is strictly from state money ok and so if the monies don't need to be utilized in the particular area that most of the fines came from according to the the rules on them no no and i hear mainly for traffic calming type devices and things and i'm glad mr guzman asked about sidewalks at our community meeting there was testimony in regards to the busted up sidewalk they think the road is a lower poa law and they were asking if you folks could take a look at it because children do you know commute walking for i guess i sat way down to the school and what have you i'm not too familiar with the area while you folks are doing coke or road or something to that effect so just a note from the community in that neck of the woods see or are working and these are on state roads so that's not us but do they actually calm the people the roads chair there is there have been some reports that it has made a difference initially it does create that shock like old being watched and then after a while it that type of effect starts to die down a little bit but overall we've we've gotten a lot of great feedback on those monitors the feedback monitors so when ten we want to be able to use them on other roads i think the technology is changing all the time so we're looking  at monitors that are a lot more durable i know the ones that we see out in the community some don't work some more and some very consistent and that's one of our biggest concerns is to ensure that they're constantly working  to so this fund you said it was distributed equally among all the counties i want to say equally there is a formula that the use of sort  is not getting a hundred fifty grand they are i think what what it is is you have a large pot of money from the assessments collected so half of that gets distributed equally amongst the different counties and then the other half there's a formula that they use so they take the number of schools and so on in the colonies and there's a formula that they can use for one hope that fund goes that the extra or any kind of costs that we incur i guess you could consider that is that extra five percent or that five percent as part of your your duties  for our staff they get a lot of requests for these types of this kind of equipment to be installed near the schools saw one good thing about this at this fund is that it gives us the ability to  to use monies outside of general fund so in a way i mean it this is this is something that they're currently doing there is that extra time involved in reporting and  and corden eating with the schools but it's kind of evolved to the point where it's become part of their job complete streets in total is part of your job every time we look at a road reconstruction project or resurfacing project we've got to look for a complete streets something that i don't think was really considered heavily in the past so so the job and it's been it's constantly evolve you know and it's now becoming a part of our daily some legislators you know this was in reaction to our pressing them for an adjudicated find that we get back here and this is a methodology for which some of them felt like ok we don't want to give you nothing back but we'll give you something back so i just want to let you know that some of the efforts we have in the past are paying fruit bearing fruit now in a more indirect manner but it does have the safety and well being of our children of this county so i just wanted to interject hundred fifty thousand dollars or so there's a limit to the amount of let's say a minimum of seventy percent of the funds must be used for capital improvement project the other between ten and thirty percent of the funds can be utilized for non capital improvement projects but this is where the department you know is really in their plan and wanting to use that  friends part of the funding for i think yes we need to educate every student's parents what are the most irritating thing for me seeing them tech scene or on the cell phone as they drive their children to school so that is a parental issue it's not a infrastructure issue with attitude of the bolt so i think we need to also look at our young people need to teach their slightly newer concept for us in terms of how we fund it and when we do this type of activity recently and in this committee as relates to we had a couple projects where the costs for construction came in higher than i originally anticipated i think that's why they all the new and maybe baldwin avenue and so we did the budget amendment here to account for those increased c s being our twenty percent match the reason behind those as i explained the time was that the required pavement the full profile the pavement including the base course was thicker than anticipated when we first came down with the request and so what we'd like to do moving forward and and all these types of projects is to do that pavement justification work well in advance i mean for instance we start today on a project we may not even program for another year or two because then we we know with much better accuracy what those costs will be so that helps our budgeting but also helps with the eighty percent match at the federal level so typically these costs would be incurred during a design contract we hire a designer to do the work first thing they do besides survey is go take samples of the existing roadway structure we're looking at taking that existing roadway structure work and doing it well in advance of even doing the design also help give us better estimates on design because what we tell a designer hey look here's the just and here's what the roadway already looks like and we know where it wants to go so we'll get better pricing on design and better estimates on our federal and our match insolvent in about three months from yeah if they could just explain what the significant impact on staff in operation was thanks very minor i was going to mention that i actually don't know why i says significant back to me be no significant impact other than it's a you know this is this money is kind of when i first looked at it i thought it might be because it's f a p roads it may be federally funded but it's funded by our our own bond so yeah i'm looking at more of a kind this my guess would probably give you two or three they have to take a lot of samples because the conditions underneath the road can change over as if the roads a mile long or two miles long or longer  d we'd be looking at projects that we haven't even started even asked for design funds yet so i'd like i certainly could ask the division and get an idea of what roads we're looking at immediately ok  throughout the county and we also use it for some other projects where maybe a drainage issue comes up that we need to deal with and  this country so i see either he lays increase cost or we are not going to do certain projects because of this additional federal requirements he's just do we have it's just that when we came plan we have to carry drainage issues or do we have a plan b in case create an additional road block for us you know chere it's tough to predict exactly what's going to happen and we along with every other local agency is going to be you know attention partially handcuffed so i really it's hard to predict exactly where that's what's going to happen there  building new if needed not just maintaining or you know sixteen rehab whatever kurt existing and if so do you have a couple areas actually in cali one in sand hills and so you know after these types of events and there's a new localized problem we hear about it right away you know the next usually the next day by either our staff police or other the residents and so we immediately send out a staff engineer to valuate and take a look and sometimes it's it's just maybe an existing drainage system nearby needs to be extended one more like our main injection well needs to be put in so we can do an in house design and do a small contract say to extend the system or do the injection well and those types of small projects fit it work not not direct financial assistance no they do come in inspected every or two and tell us what we need to do or where we need to improve or whatever as we're doing fine and very good report on that flood control by the way and chair i have other you know i have questions on other drainage specific drainage areas but perhaps i could you know send them to cedar forwarded team things change the core reengineered and the county had to pay for all of the changes that the feds miss on the first pass if i understand correctly it was a big problem during th far i did notice in reviewing the finance department's report is for fiscal year two thousand and fifteen they've created one index code for the master county wide drainage improvements appropriation of one point seven million dollars as a control key and then for each individual project they've created a separate index code for those projects so when you're reviewing those expenditure reports it may not be rolled up into that one in there depending on how it's four this is where the department under county way to use this scheme for one point five million in bonn considerations for building improvements  to give us some comments on this part first before i entertain questions from the members ok thank you chair good afternoon the there is a change i'd like to start with which would be a waste of this floor all the restrooms throughout the building where we need and it's best to abatement and some of the storage and electrical rooms that require the non water building we have some leaks and we also actually need to have a really in depth investigation into into those leaks and so we're looking at on a fifty thousand dollars for investigation in this building the air conditioning pipes and the amount of hundred fifty thousand dollars the piping connecting the chillers and the cooling towers are badly corroded and need to be replaced and also require some demolition work of the existing mechanical room and finally he on the rooftop of the mechanical years previously we're generally running out by this time of the year and diving into next year's funds already i don't recall the time i had exactly what projects we had  replacement and they had as of december thirty first income or one hundred eighty five thousand dollars for that and then there's some minor expenditures for the facility building  a couple hundred dollars on and something i'm not sure what it was for though thank you for that life span and so that's why we had proposed the use of of find instead of cash with this change in the projects he just read i had probably want to read review that again to see if they recently but not on a full retrofit program at this time ok it seems to be dropping the other departments electric bills down and it's been pretty consistent for them so the a nice thing to design right now so that's why we're requesting that the construction money next year just some updates i think you missed it was only for the question sort of an this project members i think we all probably notice this as you go down the first floor around ground level to our parking and you come out on that corner and there's that rested corroded seal drainage it looks like at one time it used to be a dream but it's so rested that it's  water falls into the street and gets picked up and strange infrastructure in the street which is where the line probably went anyway so it is something that needs to get dealt with eventually ok state does it to us i don't have a problem doing it to them too so i mean if you are here you get enough money i think it's something we might want to consider because i'm tired of hearing how all these t v c don't get it that this is a parking lot and they should go slow and they're using us like a pass through and not our people i think most of them are just trying to get through such shock and enough i don't know how we deal with it but it is dangerous to me i mean i always get run over questions in this project that's good to the county worried wrote resurface scene and pavement preservation which the request is for six million dollars  wide road resurfacing and pavement preservation and it's because a portion of these funds are also used for pavement preservation operation so that when we came before the use one point three million for materials for our highways division still coding cracks sealing and thin overlays that would mean that there's four point seven million for our other resurfacing projects and i believe there's a handout which i think all the budget director has the hand we can provide that to you this is our road resurfacing schedule for fiscal year two thousand and fourteen to fiscal year two thousand and seventeen and that's just a brief overview of our road resurfacing program use a lot of it is to use towards the projects the current projects and then a portion of it does get used for countywide or for pavement preservation program but they do  towards a lot of resurfacing done through in house and then our payment preservation program they do the courtin eat with our engineering division as well ok thank you thank you  i know you guys of have shared with us the details of the projects that you're focusing on is that available for the public to see what what projects are coming out of and what the timeframe is chair we do have on our department of public works section of the website a list of projects that were recently awarded the notice to proceed so in that aspect we do provide information on those projects but as far as the tentative resurfacing schedule typically we don't provide that because it often changes when we when we develop our list of projects we use  observations by our highways division staff the constituent calls requests from the council members and we also heavily depend on our eye works database that third party reviewer that comes in and makes the assessments on our conditions so we use all of that information to create our our project list but again it's a tentative list sometimes if it changes depending on the need at the time but yeah as far as a resurfacing schedule this one it's not on the website are provoking and you lean more heavily on the third party evaluation or or your department's recommendation or your field people's recommendations or hope that the council people's recommendation i works heavily and just to be fair and objective in our decision making but we understand that there are certain areas that really two need to be addressed immediately so we'll work with our staff to come up with different types of solution and the reason you know i applaud you for using i works the most is because i think you know to keep the public's confidence that we need to be focused on making sure that we're we're putting the resources where the biggest problems are so i applaud you for your focusing on that but i would prefer you focus on that than us guys because i think all of us are more comfortable explaining that a mr carson a cockroach our money for a key reason that the money was spent there is because of and then alice's done by a third party so i don't have any questions i did you were questions asked about the software program and how that worked already there's a pavement management software program is that i works that yes w including so that's that's ongoing it we're not requesting any funding for i work at this time but eventually in the future that's all thank you thank you  be the affairs in this county and i'm referring to a hot streak we're this close now to getting that turned over to the county but we need to set aside three hundred thousand which is not in the budget without looking it over for what we grima can be fulfilled and we're looking for three hundred thousand so it's not somewhere here i will be looking to provide so that when we get to that area was to cheer because it's very important it is a heavily heavily used street way despite mr white's statements that may not be needed as far as repairs are concerned but there are some urgent things that need to be done to be completed so that road will be given over making me envious misplacing the questions in this program here project area you have for the department well you know whenever we get to looking at plan and road road to maintain the repairs or whatever it's always a discussion and it's a very difficult because everybody feels that there were to be the first one and i feel that we too but i've never asked to  road where that was pretty because i'm also sensitive to people saying you know you tend to dump the list but i think the department has worked very well with us in trying to take care of some of the major concerns in our area and it and i'm really really happy with the lists for west maui their their streets that event in one thousand pavement and i've been asked every time i'm seen in public also in especially  think we haven't been up to his vices area for budget hearing but i know there's a gentleman who always is there in regards to i think it's a road in limbo situation though of the oil in the road so it's now here the county was nice enough to assist in another looking for continued assistance but it's not technically a finky county road so just a little something with that philly we can sort of wrap up that monies that we allot them has been going to very good efficient use i can speak specifically for because i've seen and they've done some excellent great comments from community they've been doing wonderful outreach ahead of time to notify neighbors that are going to be but yeah are we ready to move this project force or yes mr chair we're pushing quickly we did get the approval from the feds to include it as part of their federal aid where private property in our road commingle and so we need to straighten those out continue to show we have full land control we're also looking at amending the step in the next amendment and it's getting all the attention now so that's where we are i would as soon as you have a pretty good indication would like us to start preparing for show the funding from a budgetary standpoint  needs of the districts it's not easy so i appreciate you trying to make sure that other districts get some type of a benefits of this requests mr coach thank you mr chair mr good regarding the street since you have been working on it and we've had it in committee how come it wasn't in the budget already or did you guys submit it and get pulled out at the administration level no i don't think we had i mean this caucus committee heard it right away so we had just submitted it and so it was too late to be included in the budget ok and you know until we know it's this position was but i mean in past committee we're awaiting this insurance agreement from the the two road owners and once we have that will be submitting it and then so leave us my out of it so for a department so when going into you know surface primarily are you also going to look into if there's been issues with double parking roadways and with more people trying to find parking like they offing you got less space than people out across the center line to get around them and what have you so just wondering if you definitely take a look into that while you're redoing stuff yes we do and like i mentioned earlier we review for complete streets so any thing that's missing like a sign or striping then our engineering staff the two sections the design section that does all the the road resurfacing design they work together with our traffic section and coordinate the best improvements for the area ok this is an include sidewalks that he wouldn't take have in our and the budget ok ok all right thank you if hearing the talk about street improvements and any kind of signage improvements or safety improvements needed on the road that's where the the monies from this item come from  chair if yes ma'am yes we would need to take a look at the improvements and see if i mean if there are resurfacing items then we can take a look at it and put in resurfacing but for other safety improvement items a sidewalk reconstruction so you have a whole another whole sidewalk thing down here somewhere else is there a chair that's correct we have for this one it would be just real short right so and i know you wouldn't want to put in correct or sidewalks until you get the whole drainage design done so would it be possible to use that to put little asphalt sidewalks just like you did more the not only sidewalks but bike ways and stuff so thank you especially the area that connects to the industrial  but you notice it is a difference from the single family homes who has to move to the multifamily and into the industrial with three different types of systems densities and needs yeah so i understand exactly what you're saying is a place any further questions a program we've had for many years and this a continuation from the same amount as last year again used for all types of smaller bridge projects also if existing larger b bridge projects haven't some additional work that needs to be done this fund can can assist in that ok thank you i'm good thank you the story thinking you have enough projects coming up to utilize the three seventy it looks like you've only used about forty five thousand of it this year thus far  he mentions in spanish being maybe equal to some of the projects are trying to bundle nationally and this is the smaller rural counties that may not have the financial capacity to do it alone so like pennsylvania they had i think thirty savings by the button the state agreed and the feds that the county see beans was sufficient to take care of the requirement of the match so they didn't put up any additional money the savings took care of the may not need to be asked for the twenty percent matches if it works for this county again i just see if it works for us any other questions for the bridge that let us move on to the next component which is we anticipate being able to slurry at least twenty five miles of roads as indicated in our performance measures and if you have any questions he your locations been already selected and as far as where you going to expand those funds for the story seal program director chair at this point we don't have this in fact i've been working with the staff on creating one and they're developing it right now  and we hope to come up with one song and if that's something that you'd like to provide and a question we can respond back to you in writing yeah i would just like to have an understanding of your correct one hundred percent of the the funds of five hundred thousand dollars for the material and so the division does the in house application of that your yeah so that the initial statement you made is correct hundred percent of its income for any further questions regarding the pavement preservation program members if not i'd like to move on to the next it is under road and south key he road and throughout the year we get requests from the public on a number of speed humps for their neighborhoods that's where  the monies from this program are used to fund those speed h ward last year we did five hundred thousand for this fiscal year we've done five hundred we budgeted five hundred thousand is the reduction for this coming fiscal year because we haven't spent as much as  answer is but the public ask all the time chair typically we look at traffic volume and the speed on the road so if we're looking at a speed then that's typically reserved for  obviously we've been active in addressing people's them concerns in their by the the ask is dropping so we're addressing people's but i believe also a criteria in order to get them our office and makes a request a formal request and then we will do the research on the number of presidents in the area to the radius and then provide that information back to the requester the requester goes out and does the petition  as long as eighty percent of the residents are in favor of it then we can move forward in getting that speed installed ok very good thank you chair i just thought that was important that the general essentially it's going down chair that's and part of it could be that some of the roads don't qualify for speed tables another reason is because the residents can't get the eighty percent in fact we've had requests lately that where some of the residents are asking to have the speed home removed from the road so those are things we deal for any studies for new areas and lists here a few projects we have ongoing song which we have separate appropriations for but it's listed on the lower drive once we able to get the role dedicated over to the county but what about the area between well because there are many areas that are very very narrow how would we do that because i know that you know we've been talking about it for years but i don't seen we put sidewalks in we put bus stops in and we reduce the width of the road so if there is there any possibility of  completed along the p k accord or so yeah yeah i saw that on fox they not sure what that is exactly specially since the cross is going in there we've  about this before too that we could protect that we actually own the county that we could potentially put a slot you know a little bit of asphalt on there on some of it and have a really nice very long bike way along the coast so might be something worth looking into sooner rather than later you get a chance you have extra extra stuff if i could combine that real quickly  chair it certainly sounds like a real noble idea and i think that's that's those types of projects i would love to see them identify in these community plants you know that to me as it is been vetted by the community as something they see as being really valuable and makes a lot of sense their communities and may identify specific areas of ties and other facilities are and plans and once it's in a plan like that or eventually in the bikeway plan that's our green light so that's just my testimony was not just about the bike path but a boat general personal health improvements and i can tell you we could take some lessons from the county of san diego they have worked on their types of programs so good things that we've been able to discuss this afternoon next mr gooder four hundred thousand highway fund yes four hundred thousand for the design and construction funding for sidewalk improvements that the following locations and these are priorities the first priority is propose a road construction sidewal drive and then south south market street sidewalk improvements from wells park to yell school that's going to be happening later this year so i think the notice to proceed for the south market street project is sometime in june the south i think it's tomorrow they start thank you for that update think mainly constituent concerns and observations from our staff we also took a look at any existing gaps that we identified when we call in and do reconstruction projects or resurfacing projects but our first for you know that's an existing sidewalk but we saw the need for it to get fixed right away before most things it's this fund is basically used for closing up i whenever we can improve something like that and ron i saw the list so i'm anxious to see those completed so that our students can walk safely up and down to and from school thank you thank think we were probably use any safety improvement monies towards those kinds of issues but this item here the county wide sidewalk improvements like i mentioned earlier because of the aquatic center and the school down around the corner and churches nearby people you know traverse that road across the highway to the rec centers and everything and i know we sidled has been done in front of the baptist church and did a little swing around the corner and then it ends but it doesn't go totally down to front so when the books any were to be looked up chair i think for that project there may be some right of way issues there's also i don't i can't remember too if we need to estimate for that but it would be something that would have its own if you've been able to this is kind of skirting the subject but we've been able to talk to them about their section of the sidewalk where they're fixing or who cry you just want to get it on record that i think you and i both have requested the state to there are sidewalks in up there where they're doing all that work already too attached to our sidewalks that we're putting in he could offer some expertise in trying to better segregate the pedestrians from the traffic there and i'd last spoke to him probably two or three weeks ago so she may have some random as more current info for that project they know planning commission had put a condition in there to strongly consider a sidewalk and they have considered the sidewalk but given their existing funding i don't think it was i don't think they could  their existing funding to create or construct their a sidewalk and on a long street i think what what we'd like to do and i talked to our traffic section about this yesterday is work with the state in a future project and it could be in conjunction with this as we go in for high street construction  hold that discussion with department of transportation to see if they can do the section when they went in for their their own improvement project before the planning commission i don't recall any any discussion there as to which side the side or the side so i think we're going to need to discuss that with them first for our project there are some issues with right of way and potentially some acquisition soul but we we do have a as part of our plan of attack chris sidewalks  for lack of better words story my recollection is that the sidewalks are high school or in a different project that are not covered under this at all or they ok thank you and could you provide us  status of the work section from avenue up to five trees ok thank you inspections was found to be in pretty bad shape so we moved it up and want to attack it this year and that's basically it's going to be very similar to what you see there do you have a contract for this project director believe we have a design contract so this would be for construction these funds s fiscal year i think maybe first quarter of the calendar year coming up ok so we're looking at third quarter fiscal year correct area or just it's the kind of bridge if you blink you miss it ok i just must have yeah it's almost like a long cold virt so that's basically one of those some of those you see like it's almost like a slab a little if i call correctly it's got like almost like a curb on it so it's not a  a bigger bridge that we normally associate with a lot of bridges that never last a qualifies as a bridge and it's structurally deficient ok and so this type of work you see no significant impacts to your staff in or operating budget but what about the public as in you know the residents but especially all of the van tours that go in and on that road side her are they going to be impacted by this and that's a good question i don't know the answer out of my head but we've in the past have either built like a temporary bridge or or a detour route siegel of any kind of go into the valley a little bit mr carroll might be more familiar with the area if you think that might be feasible for us to grade a little road around it but that's what we would strive to do rather than shut the whole road down ok you know that would be my concern because you know we do have people that traverse that end of the island  a because it sustained damage it must have to get my recollection of the bridge that's rather small and so it may have been subject to some washouts but no i would agree that  been designed in house because of its size or did you i think we i think we went out for design on this one we had a small design contract probably using the county wide bridge fund  and we've actually been doing a fair amount of analysis on alternatives and what to do so we've had a fair amount of staff out there to to look at and and what they're looking to do at this point is to  provide some slope stabilization but perhaps even move the road away from the slope a little bit and so it's a fairly good sized project in the monies we're looking for our design funds this fiscal year we come back  thank you so this is the road going down into can i itself off on a highway and the main entrance into it and so that road is counting down a bond yes this is actually also while pi so right next to the bridge is good sites and bank then on the mountain side and we had some reports from our  the stability of this embankment and while the engineers are looking at the bridge they went out there and took a look and found a large fish are in this like the most of the length of it that quickly raised this to a high priority so our goal is to get this base who got the shave off you know part of this mountain we do need to do some archaeological work to make sure there's no archaeological and cultural resources in this area that we would be disturbing that it was and is a possibility depending on timing it so we could go out to bid is one job with the bridge and  and we do the maintenance and re rehab you know our view of them normally kind of sounds like us that was our flight controls right yeah i mean it's it's it's our road to maintain really from the public all the way over to the police i would be happy to consider that especially if you can get some savings for us so if you could just follow up and see if that's something doable and let us know any of the questions in this area members if not i'd like to get to the rockfall requests already starting to go that area is subject to especially in the south winds and when we had these tropical storms that's where we had our most damage and so these tropical storms we had high waves come up over the road there took out parts of the road already the road which we fixed the guardrail that was there is basically corroded gone so this area gets a lot of action hi winds high salt the mountain is crumbling it's a very very difficult area to work in so when we had that portion of the road that we lost they were they were out there and they noticed that the netting is starting to go in certain areas so we need to address that and we're looking at planning funds this year to really try to identify what are the options here and then it is on the following year and construction after that it's very very tough area to manage thank you see there are monies in seventeen for construction but for f y sixteen we are asking for four hundred thousand for the design that the four point eight million in the twenty you know this type of projects i would ask if you would come back before you make or within maybe the next few days if you could have your appropriate division of people this follow up with a resurfacing like that you're allowed to add sidewalks or no we do have some limitations i mean we can use the funding for certain things but if we have an opportunity to include it that's something that we would have to discuss with federal highway ok at times they do allow us to put in those types of facilities ok as part of our project thank you thank you thank you thank you my question is i just want to road they identify deficiencies are there identify gaps and make assessments and then from there the work with our staff to create the plan for we ha the four that are rated by works as the ones that are most native of rehabilitation need to check with staff on that i want to make sure i want to say utilize to utilize our funding that's available to us every year we do need smaller projects so let's say one of these roads connie might not be the worst compared to a small residential road but if it's one of the worst federal aid roads then we want to tackle the federal aid that's under stand there's different i guess different ratings or different pots of money that would have to be so the projects would have to be measured with and those that are those for which the funding is available i just want to be sure that we're looking out at each of these roads as against others that are federally funded your what was the great tear that certain were roads get federal funding and others don't did you answer that sorry if i didn't hear it department  chairman cochran surely the roads have to be what we call a major collector so all the state highways are federally roads and then are most of our major collectors are eligible for those federal funds so i know some of these roads that's considered major collector like ok definitely yeah and that's why we have a project for that or the lack of there of very little cash so this is thinking it would come with the approval of the mayor's recommendations to increase various weight in few tax components this is taking into consideration the asking for requesting for two million of which forty six thousand five hundred thirty one dollars comes from a contribution on that side as well as the other side but the other side seems to be more of a direct connection but i can see that and park it on the yeah so ok and the two million  i thought that's what the other one cost was about two million have the prices gone up that much because the other one is so much longer than this yet this project would involve some utility relocation i think it involves a box also included landscaping as part of the landscaping design and then there's also some reconstruction of that we need to do in with this project there's a i think also included in this project are some drainage issues that need to be addressed and then the dish that additional parking that she had mentioned earlier and then i also wanted to know with the landscaping once the project has been completed the landscaping contractor it does go to parks department it doesn't stay with us right they triggered a question in regards to landscaping and so you folks create a landscaping plan normally for different projects and do this does that get vetted through trees or involved with arborist committee or when is it chosen to be given to them for review chair when the design of the project is at a certain percentage it does get reviewed by the different department departments including the parks department so there has been  to my knowledge there has been courting nation with them i don't know the specifics as to whether or not it goes to arborist committee but i my understanding is that this gets vetted through the departments ok ok so in my mind i was just thinking about the landscaping plan for that particular road how it was designed in who had got who it had been vetted through if at all where please or where trees are place and why there's a distinguishing difference between one phase to the other of where the trees are in the new section the trees are it's going to be in the way of that road and already trucks are just grazing the branches so why anyways cherry you know i don't want to go into details but my thing is when do these things get better if there are breasts and if it hasn't who chooses to you know to  had a little bit more of a just understanding of what actually happened with pictures i don't think anybody really has a good picture of that suggestion mystic this would be applicable to any project in any district jim question i have on the bikeways is how how much federal funding is available for bike wa see this happen but you know we've got lots of other but as you all know about lots of other places a bit like to put bike ways and this isn't it this is an existing road so if we can do it here can we do it  in the north shore greenway area with with the federal assistance this congress reauthorizes but any case they collapsed a lot of the different funding categories into two major categories one is like national highway system which i think is more like interstates and some major major highways here in hawaii and the rest  all lumped together we used to have like separate for bike ways for transportation and handsome and congestion congestion mitigation and that's all been collapsed into once i don't think there's any i could be wrong but i think i don't think there's a specific stress for bikeways per se it outcompetes all together but the transportation f a a has always expected that there would be bikeway projects doesn't mean we're going to cut them out completely at the yes it's expensive you're a third of a mile right because we end up doing a lot of other war lated work you know if it's if it's planted it's part of the project it's a lot less but when you have to go in and shoehorn between south collect the road and this way it's a lot more expensive now because we've already built things so i appreciate your comment i would tell you that under the extension of the surface transportation bill by congress  some of the funding levels as not change the language has changed way counties basically lost about thirty percent of the funding true of those federal programs what we're doing now from the counties position with post and senate house transportation infrastructure and send a public works committee is that we are now being asked to provide a language whereby i would the the counties will get back that thirty percent we lost that went to the state jurisdiction and control what we have now convinced of the house members since a lot of the projects that the  federal funds would impact relates to those republican districts there's a great sentiment and out to assist the counties to get back that thirty percent that we lost just in the every author easy extension of the map twenty one program so i can share that with you through that is pretty much accurate according to our lobbying efforts that on the hill and so if we get our way members once will flee this summer congress passes the real you not have to deal with some of those utility issues  collector making it all work together so i just thought that if it saves saves bucks that might be the way because eventually when the north south quote their initial chair this is from a project that was built next in our south collector and we had them not install the current and sidewalk until we knew what we were doing so we are now getting those funds and we're putting in the car better sidewalk on the  mr coach thank you mr chair it's great that you're doing that in the designs and whatnot but the question i have is  is that he's dying going to be taking into account that when this thing floods it goes over the road and it's going pretty rapid and that's what's causing this a lot of quickly i can understand but should we have kind of proposed this project earlier so that we could have at it at a lower cost or even trying to understand what triggered it for question i think that two thousand and eleven storm when it was march we had the mud everywhere that one really busted up pretty good and then once we got a chance to evaluate it then we i think we came in we got some design funds but we also did that still steel plates so that the steel plates you see are not just putting down steel plates but they're welded together in such a way to distribute the load so we are able to do that by some time  yes mr chair this this project i'm really happy and i'm very pleased to present we had a we had this project years ago didn't go through at the time we got all the way basically but this would be  go back out and do some community engagement primarily to reintroduce portions of the community to this project to get their thoughts back on previous designs action file design that we had at that's something they want to move forward  beautifying plan actually save most of the monkey trees as well so i think it's time we have heard a lot from the residents there about about the drainage and so i think it's time to kick it off again and get in a position where we can get in in the stip and and federally funded freezing of funding requests yeah this hundred thousand is really for the community engagement and to to look at the previous design that we had to see what changes would make sense and i'd have to get back to i'm not sure what this million five in next year's budget for his four for new construction so i may be i mean the future mr burroughs so we don't get confused if it's plenty of money i don't have a i think it might be helpful for the committee if we had a line for planning separate from design or if you want to put planing and design monies because it's hard when he said we thin economic questions for this project members ok we'll share first i'd like to make a correction and talk to my staff and pairing for this item it's from the place to call a little road so a little further actually farther north design we have done some design in the past ready to ready to move this project forward again a light southgate road is identifying the lane requirements through that regional traffic study  there's a lot of there's a lot of demand for this road there's a lot of need for this road and we're ready to get going north south collector where again we deferred improvements because there's a lot on this road and we want to make sure those improvements jive with our overall project and then there's another six thousand i believe those united auto we construct it if it's in phase is depending on the size of the phase and the nature of the work we made maybe i'll do some construction management in house projects we've done in house the smaller projects in the one generally closer to this building so that would be determined at that time as we get to construction again the complexity of the job and but other in house projects we have that need construction management told that we had a lot of of the design work done and it was almost ready to go until the money got yanked out from the state and you know what happened to any of that design work or because it was one and two on the one and then two was the one going to and we had it priced out and everything and i could have sworn i had heard that the design was at least eighty percent done survey work in the cultures to see what may have changed but if that you know that design wasn't fine with the community previously then we may have to that design that was for going with the community it was it was a two lane design and it was an agreement that we had with the feds that they wouldn't build one side of the sidewalk and and bike path so the county was going to do that and it was all sad ready to go for two lanes so and that was vetted out by the community so i think you'll have a smoother going because of that and the sign that would be great yeah like they would have a different design or i think that design group is no longer around oh what i recall but we do have a lot of that work product which will help us move quicker through this hopefully excellent thank you thank you you know you work too hard lesson eight and go to work hard tomorrow and tomorrow night so you can you advance because we caught up last night we were up to speed we fall in behind  and we are going to make it up tomorrow so we have a six p m here anyway this evening and so i'm going to end the review today at this point by finishing a song and  will start tomorrow with the book of any cool district projects of public works unless there is a great sense to continue additional this afternoon i to public transportation including the roadways you know and also bus system different things like that so just to note that should the legislature now both houses of pass that the conference committee also passed it up and it'll be up to you as counsel to review that and decide whether or not you would like to utilize that as a funding you know i don't have a problem supporting the seeding company of one of those other mass transit real project or on your stand mayor position clearly but as far as this county is concerned and you're coming each year so far and i haven't seen the moon turn purple enough for me even close to supporting this legislation and so i'm just going to be up front with all of you that my official position you know saying it in written form is that i will forgetting that the the ga t is likely to be taken away if we enact that i've always felt that this move to provide us the ability to do it to enact increase is simply aimed at taking away the t h c so i like you cannot support that because the tea eighty comes almost entirely from visitors and whereas the take the heat i'm not willing to increase in g t from the county's perspective and i'm certainly not willing to give up the t a t when we get so little of what we generate back again and  i as you know as you well know i have some very strong feelings about that so i will be doing the same as you are back to the baldwin avenue project i really appreciate the work that the department has put into this but at the same time i have the question of you mentioned earlier that the couple of road house has risen to the forefront to what degree are you ready to move on that because it was first on the it was originally scheduled in two thousand and twelve and i know you had some ownership issues ownership concerns back then that you felt you needed to deal with so is it my sense having driven both but i don't drive both of them often enough to really recall exactly where all the bumps are and the biggest patches are but is it your road crews sense or works raiding  actually it's more about the conversation i had earlier about the federal aid road priorities so a couple years ago wasn't eligible for federal funds so we were just to look at you know taking out two inches and putting on two inches which is really just kind of a big band aid for that road so when we got it on the eligible for federal funding i mean we had a chance to really make a really deep rebuild of that road because it's so wet  type of soils you know so that's what we want to do so so a couple years ago we didn't have that opportunity going federal funds now we got the opportunity for federal funds so now we're trying to get it in the federal slots you know to get it in program which we currently don't have but that's our plan is to amend the coming years so in the meantime ones still in the step and so as to proceed with those because we do have the funds and if we don't use them chances are some other counties going to get them so it's really because it got eligible for federal funding that's he said hey we got a great opportunity now to really rebuild it it's going to take a little longer but if we just had the mill and fill of a couple inches we'd just be back here ten years from now again and i think the folks that live in the dry side of the island don't quite realize the degree to which  wet side roads are just really hard to maintain if they're built the same standards of folks on the dry side right so if if that is the that is the case you're able to go back  e and this is this road do as mr white has said it's long overdue and some of us who do live on the dry side do know about the wet roads thank you  the management portion of the project no separate separate firms i don't ever notice is construction management and some of the other ones with the fridge  project sheets our community plan districts where it's which is how we're defining we have to put it into each community plan district yes they are different then the council districts has eight community plan districts plus the county wide this tr have appropriated an equal amount of money for construction which we have in cumbered and it's encumbered through june thirtieth of next year we are we're doing the work  highways program so i need to check on the status of that but it's currently not in the stip but we are hoping that he can make it part of the steps will basically be the feds the state and us all working together on the same project is there any acquisition requirements for this project to move forward yes there is on the side of the intersection we need to add i think the right hand turn lane so those into that  eighteen thousand correct ok so that's completed then they were just about completed they're still not sure it's one hundred percent currently it's probably pretty close and but thank you thank you mr victory no question how much of the turning how far back are you looking to go as far as that right turn because that has been the biggest hang up and that back up traffic the corner so that's what i was asking i'm hoping that turning can hold at least fifteen twenty cars or more so that people can exit the area turning right yeah it's got to go back pretty far away all the way to upon a road i guess of public works it was sort of for the military district to mark morning and then we will go through the c h p for the following the part missing completely tomorrow which is management transportation finance parks