this is like beyond anything i've seen in my fifty years on this earth he just can't stand it my wife has had to leave her home three times in the last month to go to her workplace to be able to do work in here i could just about pull my hair out and not exaggerate it this past sunday it was so bad that my weight made plans with a couple of friends and they went ahead coffee and it was mid morning and i said i'm going to go  some leaves and trying to clean up my long little bit more to give the leaves off my pool coverage ten minutes into my work i couldn't stand it any more i have to throw my break down i went in the house calmly self and i call here and left a message for assistant city manager to come harvard on his machine to read he'd get it when the morning and i wanted him to sense and feel the urgency and despair in my voice because i was literally shaking and i couldn't be in my backyard so i jumped in my car for unless my list and when it would cost go fast at peace it's a little tranquility and i am pretty sad about it that i had to leave my own home and my wife has done it three times now and this is not fair it's not fair and it's not right you know i don't know how this stuff percolate located right in the back of my house that's not a question now it's late i respectfully ask you to consider relocating and moving in because it's not the place for that's always been a beautiful little park the young kids their young mom strollers you know i glance over i don't see that now there's nobody sitting on the picnic table so it's a sit there with a loved one or a friend and have a scene which when there's thirty dogs barking to brains  it's that and it's like a it's just really dismays me to see that complection of that car has changed so dramatically in such a short time and then i probably should admit it but few sundays  i just couldn't tolerate it and i jumped the split real fence that i went over at seven thirty one sunday morning at seven thirty am and i'm yelling and arguing with a couple of dog owners instead of enjoying my coffee in the house getting ready for church and i'm sure they had some choice words for me when they got their car left i wasn't very pleasant but i had listened to them barking in berkeley and berkeley the s s in berkeley it just gives you a headache and it was about thirty minutes and that's why i said i can't do it can't tolerate it and like i said when they left they were probably pretty upset with me but it course there's no peace ten minutes later this whole new group there's a whole bunch of people there the doors are slamming that in and out of their cars it goes all day all the traffic but i guess they don't understand the concept of the dog per you don't like that i don't want to my backyard but ninety five percent of the dogs have be all the door slamming the vehicles leave and then twenty more come and it's just been excessive i mean i feel to your sense of justice and your sense of compassion that we just can't can't do it we're not going to be able to deal with fear and it needs to be moved somehow some way sooner than later it's it's at the wrong spot and like i said i don't know how i got there but it's the an all day long it's not like oh five o'clock closes no it's seven eight at night and a couple of the other smart ones too they have figured out that if you go and stand by the public works for the nice motion like compound it's a big beautiful spot late in the city put in years ago because i had called the police many times when we had a few issues back then with miscreants and vandalism and i took a proactive approach that night year open and i think it probably saved the city thousands of dollars over a few years the norm and really is kind of bugging me a little bit i did a little research and if you go into the cities word it's caring control of docs and it's section four and states disturbances this is no person shall have a dog or ok that's that was an issue i just wanted to show ok i don't want to wring it out the lavish all the animal you know troll a few times less you like tried to work with them and they didn't care and i am having a hard time with a lot of dog owners now because they don't seem to hear this a lot of dog bites i that way but the other part of the ordinance it specifically states express prohibitions section three c seven like i said and somebody had the foresight and part of that it states what the other one states but also  within the vicinity and i just love those three words because they had the foresight to say somebody can complain about these dogs and their nuisance and just arrogance is and always it doesn't necessarily have to be your  neighbors within the vicinity and it still is in violation of our ordinance and yet the developer is right in my backyard having a very hard time and we really need rel so please please give my concerns serious consideration and because obviously we have to be subjected to a i don't know what they do after if if you take no action and i know that because there's but i don't want to see it say oh we spent a thousand bucks to bad you know hey maybe we need to do something to help us to get some relief you know and i don't span hours but it's moving events you know we have the wherewithal to move fans because for me this isn't about economics it's not like an economic issue to me this is like an issue that we are in distress and we say we need some left by the time thanks know they bark right so yeah i know we have two little dogs to attend i let dots and we don't allow them to bark too much because a i do not want to disturb our neighbor and plus we want to behave so and it's  protect the house she starts to grow she's this big you don't want it you don't she paces and then the dogs are very and then there's cars coming and going and yeah i did mention the parking because i had to throw that out there then and there there's there's no i mean you know that ninety five percent of these dogs being driven there by their owners and there's not even any sporting events per se right now going on i can't even imagine when they get the little kids playing baseball  it's the proximity to the house where the dog park is located or would you feel that the whole park is inappropriate for that it's a good question when we when we come back if it's something that's put on the agenda right if you would bring that to our attention but i would be curious as to well because you know we have a reasonably good sized park and whether it sometimes the best laid plans you know of mice and men are  that's where he thought it was going to be so he didn't really raise a red flag because that looked like a perfect spot and it's poured on two sections by trees and woods not going to harm a soul and still wear the baseball left field baseball diamond is remind everyone i'll make the announcement on that down a little further but the next meeting of the airport commission is november fifteenth in the afternoon at four o'clock and i also attended the pension advisory committee meeting is a rep from the council on that and i haven't received the minutes because i'm a scribe the minutes that day but i think time is going to report on this as well speakers from stan tech come in and talk about smart connected vehicles and about the future of travel and safety features and automation the greatest thing we did we did breakout sessions and create some ideas and share them with a group afterwards i also attended the art street square groundbreaking and went to a planning commission meeting were a frank open talked about the quandary of  where they were celebrating the the new bike lanes on route two so we rode from earl's down to the friendlies attack corner and then we rode back and nobody died and it was fun then we had a raffle and i won something one more meeting bob britt and kathy franks asked john since i was unable to be at the last meeting to hear their present ation they came to my office last week for about an hour and a half had a wonderful conversation with them and from don't know how much money they would like to have and we had a wonderful conversation a poke where's that might come from but anyway it was it was interesting i got up i did as well and i thought it was good we talked about possibilities and also we chatted about timing different things and yes and there are a whole process so that was spearheaded to really focus on male health there were a number of people from the hospital community as well as just the whole different and police  and city managers other communities as well as the mayor of burlington sure enough and it was a great meeting and i think the best part was i think talking about sort of what are the next steps what what x fourteen requires a report that's due in december and this is i think the governor requested the report and it was really to look at what is the possibilities of where the solutions are what it what would this group recommend to start to address the considerable issues of mental health and taking care of that and i thought it was pretty interesting that the whole group seemed to coal around one idea as being sort of a big one and tied to this act fourteen since the legislature will be looking at this there might be the possibility for some significant funding if you had something that really needed a big deal and they really really that we needed more forensic beds because that's what interesting lee enough is really timing up so many beds about half the beds in the new facility that was built and opened three years ago maybe two years ago so that it backs up everyone with  non forensic mental health issues really here in a residential setting and then that backs up the emergency rooms and the hospitals and no no this is  these were the people in the community who have been looking at the what she called the rodeo the detox rodeo and all the impact on our  urgency room and they can't take them there and you know the jail and they can't keep them there any good down to act one and that's all and it's just you're spending several hours driving this person around who are clearly in need of some mental health care so i thought it was a wonderful meeting and i think you know i really think kevin for sort of pulling it together and spearheading this but clearly it's he's engaged thanks thank you for the overview of the community collaborative think of the program design for the community outreach program which is as been one of the early spinoffs of that process is in new york that your right now a hard copy of it and we have a program design and we're in funding right now with the status going to step in for a very significant share our neighboring communities who are partners in this are going to step up along that are at some level of of identification but i'd like to if i me to furnish to our chief brant for of an announcement about a special event that honored our fire department the other night doug would you like to use my time here yeah even so what kevin is alluding to is about two weeks ago all the emergency services in the area which assisted with the large fire you v m tori's hall summer weeks ago were invited by president solomon of the of the university of vermont to attend the basketball game had gymnasium on saturday night to be recognized and so myself and three of my people went representing the city south burlington and people on a nice reception for everybody beginning of the evening and then with a representative from each of the departments called us to center court and recognize each department visually for their assistance that they gave in saving what was i guess an irreplaceable what could have been a very very tragic situation sure doug and his team are recognized for being on site thank you yeah that particular day that fire i mean when you have a big fire like that or a big incident like that everything else just doesn't come to a halt so we split our crew that day for them and part of our crew went to the actual fire at torrey hall and part of our crew covered downtown bronc and for them while they were putting out the tory offer we took a live and calls the city of burlington for them just while they were fighting the fire at torrey hall so like i said when something big happens that doesn't make everything else not happening stuff happens so it's really interesting we have a great working relationship with the city of toronto and i are surrounding apartments we like to think in the larger scope of things one hand washes the other eventually so thank you doug  they're digging a hole so that's a good sign that the solar solar farm on the landfill a press conference is probably going to happen next week although we've got a beautiful week seemingly of weather in front of us all to us folks are not available so that will probably be next week the veterans assembly veteran's day assemblies this thursday thursday school and with  and then lastly i wanted to let you know that coralie has taken on an expanded role and her new title is director of community engagement and innovation so she continues to have her public information role broaden to engagement as the council had suggested earlier on with the lean process that we're getting into and oversight over human resources so she's got a broader role and then in the human resources role report to tom on that so she's picked up more than you know in addition if she's managing the transition  teen mobile wireless communication facilities twenty twenty six williston road and nine hundred heinsberg road and then a review and resolve to not file comments moved to intervene or request to hearing regarding that same notice of a public utility commission application for installation of verizon wireless telecommunications facility at three sixty six dorset street and approve the allard square in dorset so i guess it's really bad so i just was curious like you know i don't know what their business plans are and how they you know justified things without trying to express that i understand cell technology  part of part of what we've been told by some of the providers is that as they're looking to address coverage they're also looking to address quantity within the service areas and  that's really where the four g needs are going to be as people play spotify while there are sitting at the school or driving driving by in a car whatever it is that there's a huge data amount and so every few years we see sort of  that data i was just curious so if somebody finds out let me ask you to look into it quickly you want to hold off no no no yes absolutely not what's the difference since you know something about this between the satellite dish antenna so it's a bowl shaped dish which means it's transmitting a bike which signal to another dish somewhere else so it's a point to point so it may be that they're taking data the easiest way to get data from some other tower to that tower because it has maybe fiber optic connection to the network so that's the easiest way to get it i was just curious because normally there are just nice warm thin things that you know sit around on the on the outside of something like water towers at night more d we're doing fine i mean you know the market has had good returns so we can't count on that forever as we know certainly we  cheeriest we're very curious as to what other communities municipalities are doing there was no suggestion from a c i who is our manager for any changes in our allocations matter of fact we have done quite well and so on a point to point basis maybe july it didn't look as great as it does when you take a look at where we are where we to be able to better plan as to how much is being deposited into our pension account for the year we get some discussion on and i don't have the minutes but the numbers of folks that would be getting through there was a change in our cation on those that had left with small balances in their account that those would be now up to twenty five thousand anyone before it was ten thousand i believe it was ten thousand or less there would be offered a check to take and roll over to another plan now it's twenty five thousand it's from official not only to the employed if you think about it that if someone has left and there's a small pension left at one place or another in another it can be very cumbersome at a future time so i think the twenty five thousand is a a good amount i think it's yes and we know that those folks that are leaving with twenty five or less we have no future obligations to once that is that peace is committed and i mean there maybe really we went over the items they come in so well prepared and to answer all of our questions and then some and we'll look forward to having their full complement here for the council to review in january there was an airport commission meeting and while i'll give you a couple of the highlights i guess because we cover a lot there was good news to be had that there will be a couple of larger planes coming in now what does that mean to us it is probably what it means as there are fewer cancellations that would happen in the winter time as a result that when you have what they call more like mainline planes that are larger than the small small engine ones and that could mean as much as an up ten to twenty percent more seats that could be available for that the biggest piece though is the size of the plane being a little larger you notice like when you're flying a jet blue plane versus  small you know local well original you know twenty five seat one so i'm not using jet blue just as a size comparison there but i think by having that what it stand is it is stated that the airlines are looking at more productivity coming out of the vermont area and that was a positive piece we have a part on the agenda and they also proctor about what was happening on the the air guard side of the airport i asked if we could have an air guard representatives at one of our next meetings whether it would be the meeting on the good of november or not the ship to be determined i haven't heard back but i asked to have someone command i felt that in hearing what the south burlington business association was presented at the meeting in talking about the changes that are made to the runway taxiway type piece i thought it would be interesting for that to be presented not only to the airport commission but because we are now taped it would be out there for everyone to hear and while i didn't make the s p p a meeting  hearing about it i thought it was relevant for the commission to hear about that as you know that there is a piece on the agenda for south burlington to get updated and i asked a lot of questions because i wanted to know i did not make the meeting that i think you're going to report and come in the noise meeting but i wanted to find out where we  in decision making and what we might have to add so that when the f a a takes this on after the six months of meetings that we would have here and after the period of time when we can comment open comment period the f a a gets eighteen months to make a decision on the mitigation type and what is and not from elected or appointed officials now that being said of course i came back with you know what we want to have to say you know and how this goes and apparently the f a a is looking for those that live in the area to say what they would like for mitigation and so what i am trying to do is best i can and as i hope we can bring up from the city is to have as many people participate and there is a list that gets notified of the meetings to come and talk about their concerns and what they would see not just to be our voice but if the f a a is going to put a bigger ear to the residents versus the council with say then we need people speaking out and we need them carrying our message and that's apparently what's going to drive the f a a that's their process unfortunately or fortunately or however as it is now i was pleased to see that there were going to be more there was going to be more involvement and i was a little dismayed though i do understand now because i got answers on it that there was a number of communications that went between the superintendent and the airport as far as getting mitigation done or of some type done for the school as soon as possible we still are under the timeframe of the f a a to get that done and reluctantly i guess some of this we may have to accept but accept up with the fact that if we can't do plan a and how then answer and say this is coming from us what we would like then we need those that live in the area i e meghan you live there i live there are others you know here i'm sorry i'm sixty five d and i would say i'm talking about that area you know that we need the folks that are affected to say what they would like and if you know i'm looking at go and find out that the berm is great for the grown noise but as soon as you know you get thirty feet in the air you know you have the noise right and it and it doesn't it only mitigates a piece of that so every part of the just do you believe we would be asked to monitor for this now is because they did they found it unrelated to airport operations there are multiple contributors in the area which of the city of burlington charges the airport enterprise fund for legal services and time and they spend working on airport issues this body this community in this city spent a lot of time on here already we're not charging the airport all going to give my share o new a way as possible and i may mean that you end up with a very traditional iranian style that's really what works for the city or traditional city hall but taking some time to look at alternatives and this as i read and mentioned one community had to show you a few pictures and they were really hard to fill their spaces so that you have the least staff needed in order to have a very easy like spaces on and they bring a lighting they use a lot in terms of terms of an increase over last year's general fund we've done that the managers and i presented the projects or the items that have been recommended by city management we've we do command that the city council won a public hearing december fo fifteen thousand dollars the other things that have changed is that last year we had the communication not as part of the bonds of litigation and that has been taken out of the  so i'm just going to give you a big this is third of the biggest picture distillation of the capital program from a monetary perspective all of the orange bars are the spending that are planned for the city over the next ten years you can see the next five years have very long bars and those are related to city center and the opportunity we have to spend tax income and financing  increment but if you look at the blue that's everything that's general find funding that comes from the general fund from that basically from property taxes and so one of the reasons that we look at the ten year is really don't look at keeping that line as straight across as possible i'm so you can see there was a function ration about a six hundred thousand dollar fluctuation between the very beginning  than it's about and gradually comes dips comes up and goes down but that's about in in the area of a million and as we get closer we work on taking those gaps between the bars so be we can take a few of the cost drivers and put them stack them up also so we can put city center city center out and believe in about twenty million in one year or so so on top of that twenty million we do receive a lot of grants and other there are other funds so we get if a lot of our capital projects do get funding from other sources because that orange is not general fund so any of the grants for recreation or any other side large project where we expect to receive grant funding that would be represented in orange i know th out here but is there any way that we would have i mean because you know taking a look at it kind of gives you a little gasp yeah if you look at the big handout that they gave you it's the second  know for my team but it was in highway and coax this basically is what it looks like every year and what it will look like every year going forward with some they basically were paving roads and were buying trucks and we have also identified this as the proper location for the newly established facility stewardship fund so those projects will run through the cia those projects are on there's a variety of funding sources for those we have and we have a we've done a bunch already this year and we could go in a lot of different directions in the coming years but i would certainly expect efficiency related projects eighty eight compliance code compliance to really be the focus this isn't meant to be a new for new facilities or addition this is going to maintenance and upkeep of our existing assets  yeah i thought i heard from somebody that we level funding or even budget over the last five years is that correct it is a departure from that would be i think this is the first year that we've gone up twenty four proposing to go twenty five thousand a spend five hundred seventy five thousand for the recent years which that number is higher than there was a bomb probably four or five years ago to get it out well it's been a top level for a while and now we're what we're proposing i would consist of what we've been hearing from when we are repaving a row of cells but they all fall into this funding source this these are our recreation have switch off which differ a bit from the sidewalk she however there's a little bit of overlap in the sidewalks are kind of becoming rock paths so we might look to merge some of these  priority of the bicycle and pedestrian committee is to excess and you've heard from this constituency as well is to extend the existing bike path on dorset street south of no one farm pas and the c h p is reflective of that a lot of the other things that you see in kind of years two three and four generally are also when in alignment with what those recommendations ago i think tom hubbard mention a bit ago about sidewalks this is the upper section of allen road so from speer street down to the first neighborhood on your right as you're heading west on  with the understanding that we have new development continue to occur on and off road as well as south village phases one two is under construction three is under permitting three is actually going to connect all the way to so as our system builds we identify gaps this is one of the gaps in the system and it's a project we're looking to to get moving next year i believe councillor bear asked for a quick update without kind of putting it on paper because i don't get the sense they're granting agency like that but they have committed to this project their proportional share of traffic through the intersection so to that end at on their busiest day of the month which is obvious either everyone comes to base guard weekend which december third and four so to that end we're actually going to be counting vehicles with some cameras that first we summer so we can determine overall volume their volume what and we can clearly define what their share is whether or not the remainder of the share still makes it a powerful project for the city role to all these other ones  but presently that's how it's shown and that's the methodology they have agreed to they basically just want to serve the capacity of the check writing agency they are not a great partner they would let us run the project they would want to just be tangentially involved to make sure for example their vehicles the size of vehicles can move through their section but beyond that they don't really express an interest do anything other than see an upgrade there and contribute financially and part of that two things one is bart the bay plant which it's either this year or next year tom are retiring the two hundred forty five thousand dollars a year bond payment from the last project in the wastewater old all that means is once you're done paying off the debt from all project it's pretty much time for a new project so as you can see here we are starting with some low dollar figures to scope and do some conceptual design and in the mid twenty's and upgrad impossible hydraulic x capacity expansion of our the bank and the other project is disconnecting the hadley proctor avenue neighborhood from the burlington sewer system there that neighbors customers  burlington and for the benefit of the audience yes that's a lot of money however compared to a twenty year life cycle of what we would pay in sewer fees to burlington this project is projected to save the city of south b wastewater rate payers over eight million dollars over that twenty year period and it's going to be cash positive probably by the beginning of the year too so we would obviously we would be paying this with a bond we're not running at two million dollars check in year one and so we'd be cash it storm water same story from years past seems to the message is consistent this year at the end of the season we had five or six the fact i'm losing track of the amount of big dollar projects is indicative of what's happening in that fund we had probably two to three million dollars of active work throughout the summer that number is going to continue increase this is simply compliance with our mis for permits for a five impaired water and quickly the asterix relative to fleet replacement you see that number fluctuates because we don't want to be raising or lowering our rates so wildly every year within the operating budget of the stormwater fund we just slide two hundred thousand dollars a year into the reserves that allows us to some years pay less some years pay more but we have rate certainty built into our program for that reason and water we're getting near the end of our some of you at least consider emery but remember the beginning of this we're getting near the end of our long meter replacement and meter reader radio program which isn't going to show it's none of the stuff we do is exciting but we were experiencing severe lot of water loss through our needers we were we were losing water we were losing the ability to track the water going in and out somewhere in the fift percent range you want to low single digits is kind of an industry standard so we were we were not you know to account for roughly ten percent of our revenues so this is another want another of another project where spending hundred thousand dollars a year over the life cycle of the devices is going to save money because we were we can probably count the water coming into your houses dorset street east tank booster station this is a newer project development is occurring in the southeast  it's getting near elevations where i have two questions about our ability to provide adequate water pressure and adequate water pressure is entirely different in the state plumbing code state plumbing code has a very paltry number that no one would be happy coming out of a showerhead especially the amount of what you pay for the houses particularly if you're paying in the mid six figures for some of these houses so we are going to be adding pressure and elevation to the dorset street water tank right by the golf course all that means is right now our operational level the water think is this we're going to go to here which is going to provide more downward pressure on the system we tried to avoid is expensive work which simply wanted shift over the last nine months to see if we could just raise the level of the tank well unfortunately we're not the only customer and if you raise our take level you're raising take levels and adding pressure system wide there's a lot of parts of the system that are south burlington that really could not handle an additional fifteen feet of elevation ahead so they were they are and were great partners on this we tried to find a really low cost solution unfortunately didn't work so we're going to propose to bind for these improvements and we also during the operating budget we want to talk to you about having a tiered connection fee system for water right now it's twelve hundred dollars every house writes a check for twelve hundred dollars for waterfront to go and in the system this project is big necessitated but basically by anyone that's building at four hundred thirty feet above sea level or higher we think it might be worth considering an additional surcharge to the properties that are requiring these you know the eastern engine of southpoint again you start you start getting into probably four twentieth's so it's fail drive itself point it's cider mill sort of mill three it's a whole part of town but no it hasn't been fixed and that we have  categories we have air compressor which was delayed purchased from last year which is fifty thousand year to the fire gear replacement program thirty four thousand last year we had put money in the budget for a standby new standby generator a station to and we went out to bid and we were short we put in twelve thousand five hundred dollars and it's really  be about a twelve twenty five thousand dollars purchase so we tom and cumbered the money from last year to this next year and we're putting in the additional funds to finish that project or not finish it but to actually do that project pay for that project the idea that tom came up with this to towards the end of that's why nineteen start the project and then we would kick over into the new year as of july one of twenty twenty and we would pay the remaining come out that and the last project here is i was told i did such a good job managing the communication project that we would put the payment for repayment for the bond into the fire department project there is no expenditures for next year at all   return that we're getting a week engage the collection agency come right here and they're working very hard for us but i can't say that they're bringing we're bringing in a lot of money from that  o just at some point in time i was thinking that medicare or medicaid or whatever if if we knew if they were paying their fair share i know that's always been a question i mean it's not for tonight necessarily done but y happening and were paying it off as time goes on and we continue to appreciate that every day the vehicle replacement fund got trimmed here a little bit from what we asked not super problematic i had asked to start to transition to s the ford explorers have become kind of going to not even the new wave anymore they finally developed a four wheel drive vehicle that's extremely safe for police work with bigger it's all wheel drive i had initially put in that would would put us at  hundred eighty eight thousand dollars and when tom and kevin and all all that looked across the broad spectrum of c i p the decision was to continue the fleet replacement with this similar type of vehicle that we have now although this does have a little bit of an add up to go to they finally have changed the platform of the charger so that the all wheel drive comes in the six cylinder you don't have to buy the super large v eight so this is the all wheel drive charger so it's the the middle of my request i would prefer in a perfect world we started to roll out into s u v s but understanding the need for budgetary constraint this certainly this provides us with four vehicles we trimmed back this year because of some constraints when we replace two we lost one in a crash that we were unable to replace so we took a little hit current year we'll see a little bit of an increase in maintenance cost because of the going forward but the one eighty four that would be the full price of s u v s in twenty and forward and we'll revisit that next year at this time and see how things are going so i just want to know i don't have a complaint by any means against tom and kevin i understand where we are and i think that this is this is a step above where we are today it's not the big step i had hoped for but it's a step to remember yesterday's now we have only one in the fleet we bought one we wanted to make sure that we had we have the truck and the ford explorer s u v that's used as a supervisory vehicle with this plan if this is passed and goes forward this would give us four four wheel drive  as roomy as an s u v but a little more functional than what we have today today we just have real will drive said ends so there can be a little bit of a challenge or a pretty good challenge depending on the weather so this gets us gets us  the that's really the addition it's extra room when we look at the chargers and you look at putting somebody in the back seat and also we've got some some tall guys you know it's a little bit of a tight fit in the front the s u v gives us more cap more passenger space  with this proposal we're gaining the all wheel drive that we have not had that option was not available until this year so this gets us they all will drive doesn't get us the extra cabin space but we are moving where bettering where we are room moving around we actually have started to go to a little more streamlined technology we did initially have the full mobile data terminals which required a pretty large mountain it's a full sized computer with the flip top we have for all except the cars that have the license plate readers we've transitioned to the i pads those are cheaper they're frankly they're more functional for the office or they're more mobile we can take them in we can take a crime scene we can do video audio picture their internet connected so we're yeah and the only other thing that we have there that eighty nine thousand dollars is a plethora of eye teeth things that includes our in house device replacements whether it be printers or desktop computers it adds some mobile device replacements in the cars so the the i pads in the cars it also is the majority of our id services our e mail contract our service contracts on our fingerprint machine our voice recording machine and i and a bunch of other things our i t support it's generally probably eighty five percent of our eighty expense is in that eighty nine capital piece input also from both our committees from natural resources and for recreation and parks and recreation of parks actually reviewed this three times so i thought it was important for the city council to know that the involvement was pretty extensive and with no further ado i think go ahead we're going to tag team on this tonight that's ok i'm going to take a couple of the first ones if we can look at underwood i'm not going to say a whole lot about underwood other than we're in the process of doing the master plan right now so you're not going to see for a couple years anything until f y twenty two we're hoping to be able to present to city council in february the master plan so please look forward to that so we're in the process of doing that right now the first public input that we had and the on line survey that we did we ended up having about almost two hundred people that have  participated in that so that's really really good so stay tuned the next thing i wanted to talk about was just about the internal parkway finding signage for really that goes all the way for the next ten years and a lot of it over the next for this year and the next two years will be related to the open space funding because we really haven't had a chance right now to be able to get that completed like in  red rocks or at wheeler park so i think that's really important for you to know so it's wheeler underwood and red rocks underwood obviously is going to be determined on what the master plan brings us  also all of our other parks will need some new way finding signage that will be following our branding so i just want to fillion on that and then the next one is related to our facilities and if you see that's kind of gone down a little bit and then it will go back up because of the fact that we have the open space funding right now some of that funding has been able to cool down but it will as you see as we start going back up in your f y twenty three moving forward that will go back up because that's all of the money that we utilize to make sure fields are in good shape with aligning air raiding them with our water systems and then  also for our playground with playground safety and replacing a criminal as we go along so that funding is going to stay pretty steady from basically f y i would say twenty two twenty in nineteen there's some money for some design work to be done and then we anticipate really you know breaking ground getting some things done in twenty and twenty one so in addition to the actual field itself there's a proposal for a couple of outbuildings that we would then have bathroom access to as well so still in development for that but we anticipate putting some funds towards the design of that for nineteen  we can hardly wait until that field gets on on board but i think in working with ireland construction really being able to have that is a piece and not piecemeal and get together it makes sense to be doing it them this way so  be clear when that gets online which will take us a couple years and then i'm just going to kind of briefly just talk just for a second on overlook park because we know that overlook part needs some t l c for sure and as you can see some things will you'll see some good things happening i think this year just to do some basic things in then in f y twenty one we're looking really overhaul in that park so i just wanted the city council to know that we're look we're really taking a look at that park and just other than in f y twenty one we're looking at doing a master plan for that part and we also have to be careful about that because it also has l w c have funding which is land water conservation funding so there are parts that you can't really do a whole lot of changes to in maybe time can kind of explain that a little bit better than myself but we are looking at taking a real hard look at that park is trying to put a new master plan together continuing with our open space improvements as of right now we have spent about one hundred thousand dollars out of the open space funding we're running a little bit behind but the reason you see that number being really high is because we really need to get some significant work we've got some erosion problems cooling down to the beach that we really need to have some significant more done and we're going to need to do some engineering work related to that next up is the veterans memorial park afraid nothing for nineteen but you'll see in twenty significant that has a lot to do with the bathroom renovation so currently the bathrooms are functional sometimes semi functional definitely not sufficient to meet the needs of the park in the population at this point so adam kate has been doing a lot of research for that so you'll see a lot of that in addition to some safety lighting these goods yeah i think already the south burlington little league does have a little hut over by their ball fields i know they would like to have kind of a more permanent  structure if you're talking about i think it leaves room for you know a lot of different amenities and elements there and again you know it's just a briley bustling park and we we need some amenities to sustain  i'm going down next is the will or homestead so that basically is going to continue to you know do the open space improvements that the council has already approved and that's just that funding source so we'll continue to chip away at those and then they crest which you heard a little bit earlier is phase one is to get that p f in and get some benches which will be done hopefully by spring time you know because of the storm that happened   the public works it kind of set us back a little bit on being able to accomplish that if there's time we will at least get phase one done phase two is related also to impact fees that will be hoping to do by next spring too and that's been long in coming and i think people are really looking forward to having that park that little pocket park in that particular neighborhood completed and next is the new ski valley park contract so this is now here to what was proposed to be the three year contract so this is for oversight of that open space management they're providing the oversight correct next to the funds to get to support  into one and you know is the one that really takes care of all the really good job and his input also was very important so it's really a team approach and i think the city council appreciate that you it does not show up here we go figure ok so so there's a few in her reminds the first is that the general fund contribution annually is eight hundred sixty steady the property tax rate on the city center reserve fund is the next line is also important because by using a mix of funding for projects that are not fully terms of recreation center city hall and library the amount of the city contribution here is for i'm sure the annual contribution because when we have the reserve fund if both serves as a cushion hundred sixteen thousand so so let's say five or six or seven years ago there was a year when rustin there was a dish you know find an extended families funds at the end of the budget year that started raise an adequate amount of funding and given that we all of the tenth district income in its realized that we expect and given that there are  and that's that gets us almost halfway there which is really the city year and so there are a lot and we don't know how fast the tip revenues will be in place you know i think everyone has a huge amount of confidence in the tip history itself the guns out but not all of those would could be built based on what and so impact fees applied throughout the community and that test but the tip district increment is based on the number of buildings that could be put out and what our market has supported in the past has never been decreased in the last year but what could you not and nothing has happened that would reduce the number of buildings that could be  n that's so you can see over what his one has gotten stand comprehensibly since this is a project that began several years ago and will and probably seven or eight years in the future  so that way you can chalk the whole project to using this one spreadsheet and then we also separate the different ted said dad on this spreadsheet so the city center the city dept proceeds that's all likely be finishing designed for very lucky we may be able to begin construction so i have it in here as a placeholder city center park that team up person will be completed and we have some funding down the road for a connection to market street and garden street and across by saying we will drive the community recreation center we have a little bit of money in there just in case an opportunity arises but we do not have the bulk of construction anticipated for that and finding team sitting home public library thank you very much for your support on those projects and we do have funding if you will have a discussion later on about public facilities so that so city hall may be there as a placeholder or maybe there as a project i'm the worst in rhode streetscape we have not yet signed the agreement for the an opportunity to death if i land and that that has not occurred but it may happen between now and then and stormwater and well in mitigation we do not have a project that is that to cover all of the design work that has led up to this that's been very little up until now because it's been funded by c c r p c as part of the repeat of the u p c so we've been only contributing twenty percent of those of th cars and we would need to have this project at a fairly advanced stage of design to be eligible for a tiger grant if that can if that program continues to be available and we would of course continue to look for other programs this is the type of project that it really helps it to be shovel ready in order to pursue funding we believe it's a federal eligible project it is a great connector both for us with regards to the parking garage so with regard to foreseen libraries libraries city hall there would be a parking garage connected to that so there are there that could be considered  as part of it we were probably approaching it as a separate project so for the library parking you foresee that to be under the building and i'm going to say i'm market street so you might have  parking are within the area and then i know at some point we have talked about a parking garage and that might be picked up again i'm not sure we haven't discuss item fourteen discussion by council related to the distribution of the f y twenty nineteen social services funding was did we want to consider focusing a larger amounts of money on the civic outcomes if you will or i have a question with regard to the howard center that we've been giving to with collaborative that we're looking at will we be contributing in that way so that the howard center would not have to be on this list that's a new program we're funding for f t s with it so it's it's funding specifically for that program and it's a new program mike and so i would say this is this is different than what we've normally supported him with this is a different function so we're paying for the for f t s and their benefits and expenses this out there i would say i would propose that we just pick like six or seven or whatever it is just a small amount that get a concentrated donation from us that are centered around the things that matter to south burlington specifically and they could have other perspectives and focus as well but when you start spreading money out like this so granular i wondered i mean i know it's valuable to each of these organizations and they all do something that are valuable but as a city trying to generate a list of recipients for services that are special for us right we should probably narrow down the list by thing and get it down to ten or less and really focus on that to make substantial contributions it's just a suggestion because i can't worst case this list could just keep growing and growing  aren't that many i agree completely with your point tim and i would just say i'd come back to a committee because there's a lot of pressure there was a lot of pressures on our time so for us to hear from twenty five of these organizations there's not so many hours in the day but i i love committees and if we had not no no a once a month committee but a once a year committee that these organizations could meet with other people other than the council and they would come forward with a recommendation on which organizations to fund and what  you have to write them in some way right i don't know if i have enough information to write them off and i think this really valuable services here i mean what it says american red cross we're talking about the local table i think pack is a really important and late and they did one in the hole when they came in and gave them because i asked and they had a negative and somehow or other children and the families and our community and the schools so that would be another one that i think is very i thought just as an aside and it's just probably just a correction piece the champagne i think has a new name just putting it out there i think they're called something different not that i'm saying they should you know but the money i just would like to know what we're trying to pick these out money for that i would like to and i i would i am also a big supporter of us supporting women who are and i supposed to but i think more often women seven two i only have seven i'm sorry i think we should continue supporting the chillout son and my son says several people show up i mean where you know that we knew where they were going along with the clothes because we took the made are sitting there stagnant because they hear you i think he did say that it probably wouldn't be until the beginning of the year i thought too it's been open it's been open since last yeah it was open because i when they are looking for so are we adding chill out to but i mean i don't have any problem giving out or understood you because it helps hurricanes but you know my feeling with them was to go out and try to get funding from other places so that we were his last and only resort if you may recall yeah yep and the i think you did the only one i have on my list was cuts in addition to the eight or so but i'm just putting out out there because these nine then and so we determine the laundry was not even though it's a south groups i know that we were asked by united way as being very  we're doing is not saying here's forty thousand dollars united way you know best you give it to whomever you want rather these are the organizations that seem to have a connection to me do something they can't do right now right so we're a little behind so i will not really too much but just a couple of updates the noise compatibility program technical advisory committee met for the first time it's a continuation of the prior it's bigger than the prior sound committee but it's the first of the step that needs to be taken to to update the noise compatibility program  so there are a couple of other airport related things i want to raise tonight too but that is the most prominent our situations are related to various communications we've had with the city of burlington about  things has not gone very well the ammo you that you approved was sent to the city back on june nineteenth we've heard nothing back from them on that resolution the government's governance that approved a couple different meetings in august nothing back on that in the letter i sent on twenty eight to gene richardson director of aviation nothing back on that although as promised a response communities given that the n c p is designed to mitigate noise impacts beyond the b i a property in this case within the city of south burlington it's only logical and reasonable that the elected representatives of the affected community make the decision as to how those impacts are addressed to the n c p so again no response on that at the meeting the meeting of the technical advisory committee some very interesting things i thought came out  the process initially appeared to be set up was that the n c p of the programs to address noise would be coming up would be approved before the new maps were created and the new maps probably affect a lot more than they affect us so and i'm a little bit confused as to where the request for funding for the ne m comes in jesse baker asked about the status of the new any m nick longo said the airport is moving away from pursuing grant funding and reallocating funding already received to do the update gene richards explained the request for funding was made but not yet granted so there's a contradiction there that between g neck that i can't explain so i will have to ask again at the next meeting if that can be further clarified the two other issues i wanted to raise were for statement that gene made consistent i think with what have the saying earlier this came at the end of the meeting genes of richard stressed this in you need to consider this carefully gene richards stressed the airport wants to make sure all boards are informed and can be well represented half attacked me and here's the quote the program is for the people around the airport who are affected not necessarily for the leaders of the community the program will be around the law for a long time and is not for a political agenda or personal use but for the community at large so again there's a contradiction there  it's for the people around the airport who are affected not necessarily the leaders of the community but then the program will be around for a long time if not for a political agenda or personal use but for the community at large so the issue becomes what kind of influence are we really going to have over the the noise compatibility program for the city of south bronx and i think what this does is open the door because of the lack of response on the ammo you and the other requests to engage that there still is a real possibility that the buyout and demolition program is still a prominent has a prominent role in there thank you certainly not ruled out at any stretch the imagination so and there's a last bit of information that i was unaware of you may well have been  richard doucette who is the oversees these programs for the f a a out of their regional office in massachusetts who said that once in a once an incompatible noise level is reached and people find it objectionable the key word find objectionable federal funds could be used for mitigation of the noise with an approved n c p that's what this is all about and when he said that it made me think my my is that many people feel that the deaths that these these lines are drawn based upon a healthy standard inside these lines or health concerns outside of the lines l that's not it off this is a seemingly an annoyance an amount of annoyance line kevin durant south burlington state of the term incompatible could be termed as having health impacts he asked if the f a a is implying this as a health impact the lines richard you said stated land use compatibility is not related to his health it's an annoyance faced stand and  then you ask i mean this is the guy that runs the program oh i have a corner of the f a a i understand so i take sort of for their purposes and their purpose of funding the world health organization has a different perspective ok but for the a i'm talking about are we going to lose more homes here because we're losing homes over annoyance according to the f a a for losing homes because there's an open annoyance standard not a health standard but it's job by still by  according to richard who said not related to health and well and so are going on the fact of keeping homes and not getting water and that's the discussion well that's what i want to have tonight i mean i think i think that the issue of buy out and demolition is still certainly an option it's always going to be an option it's a lot longer than faith but i think it's very much on the table especially if i've got the members bring it up which is what that opens the door for   you can't go to the mitigation program until the other program is completed that's what we've heard in all of those homes that are that are being allowed to happen purchased this is all about what happens after that that's exactly right so once one program starts if they don't go to the next one if the council feel strongly that you do not want more homes demolished bought and demolished then we need to come up to a plan to to to advocate for it because it hasn't been heard i want to say this i don't want homes destroyed but at the same time if holmes i'm not adamantly opposed to any more homes being bought by the airport what i want is because if there's one middle in the middle of nowhere and they really need to be able to purchase it because that's just the houses around them are down i want to preclude that option but i  i just want more consistency from the airport i want to know that when they say we don't want to buy any more homes and when they say that to the neighborhood that we're drawn this line we have no intention of purchasing homes i want people to have confidence that that's a truthful statement i've lost a lot of that confidence so i think it's a two part issue i think we need to have more effective long term and trustworthy planning between that entity and the city  have and i was not at your meeting but they gave an overview one of the first item time that was the approval process to change from buying to it was approved the approval process to change from the buying  the mitigation program one cannot start to meet other stops and when i look at our memorandum of understanding that has not been addressed directly and i understand that  interest to them and that is why when i found out that it was the the f a a wanted to hear the people say what they wanted and not the city wanted i was now we know we have nine hundred forty eight or whatever number of homes that song in that sixty five zero and that would be theoretically eligible for consideration meeting the other day of the technical advisory committee two different types of addressing noise land acquisition demolition or other or other types of mitigation and let them know that we are in a housing crisis and that we can't expect to assist our local businesses to grow if we can't provide any workforce housing and i think that we are we are in a crisis point it's been documented in eco's it's been the subject of committee discussions and even this new grant program that the legislature put forward n c p they can buy out and demolish more homes or they can do insulation or other types of mitigation we've heard never again before pat doesn't believe her you know just you know someone living in each of the other houses but last i knew megan this a gravitated over to the c h t and the discussions there and i don't know if there have been discussions lately we went out and hired a not hired but had a firm come in and make an estimate on moving right we identified several locations where they could potentially be the airport could decide they can hear from people saying why did you buy up my house and bought and so their understanding or response to that is oh ok it for resale so that it would not leave the neighborhood ok that was my understanding the only with the exception of a change in operation fundamental challenges in this whole thing is that the program appears to be geared towards considering the direct concerns of neighbors which is good however the issue of the future of our housing is both an issue for today's residents in those homes and also carrying wire i mean generational issue of things change if something comes up and you you know if it's a different story you can pull out of the the m o u but it's the assurance for tom's cousin who has a house there who may want to you know put in a new bathroom and who wants to spend the money and it's going to be but i just want to restate a comment i made earlier we spend a lot of hours kevin has one hundred sixty hours a month tom has one hundred sixty hear from leadership but they want the they want the solutions to be derived from the navy and i want to federal judge to say thou shalt not purchase and demo any more homes and you can do anything else that you want but you will do that which is it is a big slice of cake to try to to to break it eat and i don't want to go down the shelbourne highway but i believe it's worth looking at least  consider closing off curvy road extension and picard circle pervy road extension the road that went down the old dog park and based upon a observation that the decision to to terminate use of a road is a council to so decision not planning commissions or council decisions so how would you like to hear that couldn't we couldn't have the done and that was right because all the land has to be for airport so that if they did a land swap then you if they swap the land they give the land back to the city of them we can use it for what we want and they base of good time to think about some type of land swap for the road use you know as they've talked about because we have the roads and they own the land and if we didn't have they been we could find a better place to help mark with his dog park and so would you like to hear the case made by the airport commanders here tonight but sure that i would i think prefer having us have it on the agenda and you can hear what our public safety has to say we can hear what the airport role and position maybe you can even think about the possibility of a land swap with this absolutely off the table that would be good to know or if that's something that could be new going i also mentioned so you notified when they can get notified of the meeting so that we can have public input during these six including the subsidies paul staff i think it's important because i put out the front porch forum postings  potential action by the council and voters to form a union in the us the full district to provide a governance structure to regionalize public safety dispatch services so you have in your packet via green for the final agreement that was reached between the communities to establish the union us will district that went to the attorney general's office who has thirty days to review it and get back as to us as to whether or not it passes must r from a legal standpoint it should we've had five lawyers look at this so shortly after that in december that agreement will come to you with a recommendation from us  the question of forming a union minister will district be put to before the voters in march so is this the same if i can just ask is this very similar to the very much period type arrangement or more or less the charter for the unionists will district if we move forward after a vote in march with the other communities for the two years of c a p values for dispatch in chief whipple's presentation  that the community will see is language that creates this or we become a part of it but all of this agreement will not be part of i mean they won't get that to read they have to go on yeah it'll be on the website on our website if they want to know exactly what all the rules are but what will the wording of so the want you know it will the actual archives or not in that not in that ballot item on the ballot and they pass it then that would just become part of our budget they wouldn't vote on it would be funding for that and it would give us a better sense of  council discussion regarding public facilities in the city center so on your table tonight i handed out a an overview of what the city hall program looks like this is what a lot of work together where do we stand with city center as it relates to the decision by the council to take this to some public facility to the voters in march as we know the to vote of last november approved to funding and debt for market street the remaining piece of market street and city center park city center park is under construction right now market street will go under construction  in may of next year i mean time ventures have been made by the way these months and so on one other building in addition to cathedral square will need to be built in order to cover that obligation so we knew about cathedral square back up of zero one additional building will need to be built to generate the tiffs revenue to meet the obligation for market street and center park in those where we cover any any buildings after those two cathedral and the next building anything after that can go to new projects like a library so  in meeting with the developers last week there they are making some progress on their permits and hope and hope near term that they will have their permits completed but until then they're on able to negotiate with seriously with commercial and residential developers and so we're getting down to a decision time here they believe there is one other project that's coming in the pipeline after the two but they wouldn't commit to any more than that and the great advantage we had at the fold last november is that we were able to explain to the where the money was coming from to pay for these projects and i'm afraid at this point i can't say to you and you do your voters that we have confidence that this amounted to for revenue is going to be generated to pay for one third of the library the upshot of all this is that our recommendation is that the vote on the library or any public facility be delayed until november twenty eight now that doesn't mean that we can't continue to do work tonight you prove the hiring of an architect to begin the design work on the library that should change and so as a practical matter this doesn't necessarily slow down toward the opening of a new library this work has to be done anyway we have to raise all the funds and the funding has to be raised from time to do that and in the context of where will be next september when you have to decide to put it on the november ballot by that point market streets going to be under construction garm street will reasonable certainty that x number of projects are in the pipeline can it be said that the target day coming online in uk will also do is is already generating a little more interest in city center in south burlington you anchor it's a it's not a it's important there's not a huge anchor but it's still an anchor huge it isn't it is it's but i think again the classic sense of what anchors were twenty years ago it's it's it's very it's strong but it's not like it was back then it still has that buzz will help i think certainly for that the staff level we're going to be far more confident in making a recommendation to you for the november ballot then for the march a stuff right but i think we all know now we said basically we have the money to do what we expect to do you know and what we expected and my understanding was we were going to do the park and we were going to do th and we were going to have the funds to do that and now i find that it may not be without getting the second building enough to do both that's what we said that's what that's what we said at the time  knew the rules coming along and there was a strong sense that there is going to be another bill you know that has changed because the developers for choice and i kept those opposed to customer your work i guess i guess i look at this and say i think the i think the rationale to do in november once people see things are being accomplished yeah more than just the clearing of what have you write and it generates a lot i think that does and you know build it and they will come and that's what no one has been for and of course target i think it's a big draw and i think that will last that will do it as well but i think as is sitting on the council and not able to be privy to all the information because of the negotiations that come one our confidence in you kevin to guide us as to whether it's going to westerly portion of the market school parking lot and that's still something when you go back to them but again that southwest has never inquired start plans for at least giving some land right well we'll have to yourself parking kind of raises priority you know when you're thinking of all of the ramifications second have for people's access especially if the city halls can be included or another you know rental you know the property which is another question we're going to come to you with and now you have more time to consider that but at some point in time you're going to have to decide what what facilities you want it's always been an assumption that there would be a city hall with or in conjunction with or not with a library but at good parking or i mean it when i think of a structured parking i'm thinking of you know four or five layers that would and the demands for that i mean i suppose some residential u justify building a big parking garage i mean i don't think this city would necessarily need to pay for use all or to for revenues or should use all or  build a huge parking structure that allows somebody else to build five stories of housing and use that as their parking for their housing absolutely i always thought of the parking as being similar to what said well if we do build a new city hall we put we've put money into the all city hall who would want to buy city hall and i think that you were getting an appraisal monitor  like that you know on there and i just sat here tonight and i started thinking of the different entities or whatever that would find it comfortable to fire structure here you know if we were to to move because it's a beautiful shape right now but you know we still have to be reconfigured for you know office or whatever and do people want me to scrape parkin be something to address his concerns if we have some promise of that also i heard you say we're going to signs up so i'm wondering if those signs are going to say please keep your dogs quiet it's so that was a question also do we know how much was spent on putting the fencing in just to have that i know you're not i guess i have a quite dog and i guess we go at low traffic time my daughter used dog parks in manhattan did you want to see this all the time and until her god was attacked by another lot but the forestry parking lot those could both be bigger we get regular complaints about dogs running loose in red rocks anyway and a couple bigger sized parks would be good for bigger dogs to go but i think there's a lot of high there is a lot of walk in use of the park at j c i go and sit sometimes and  see people walking in from the neighborhood so if people are in fact driving cars they drive to red rocks or drive two wheeler if we can get those parked you know red rocks would be in the woods right break ground right so i was like oh great you're going to have this yard full of barking dogs adjacent to a no residual area so they did do some redesign and and made a fence that was taller that we could look at restricted hours certainly after dark we should know people in the parks and we can look at restricted hours and we can enforce that and we can ask the public to the  but i think it's important because it has to do with the funding that we were going to give to the c b i see the chamber and the convention bureau and i actually second one under number fourteen because every ounce of this would be one time or continuing with page five mr durrant anticipated would be continuing but not the funding source  anticipated it would be continuing which he said this with regard to the chief sustainability officer but with regard to the funding source he said mr durrant i'm using third person mr durrant said that the council could create a special line item account for the chief sustainability officer fiscal year nineteen and refund these organizations