leaders you saw yes my name is john what curt one twenty seven highland drive we're right behind the peters township valley athletic fields three months ago you said you wanted to  review the fact that the township of this school district preferred not to put the fence in and i guess the reason we're here my neighbors on either side are that our concern is that a lot of the things that the school district indicated they were going to had been principal have not been adhered to so there's a lack of faith in the school district quite frankly that if they don't put defense in it's going to impact even more than it already is or our neighborhood i brought the particulars that  the the school had issued our biggest concerns are quite frankly again on their guidelines for use of pleasant valley athletic fields field would be  by permit only we don't know whether that's a fact but all the fields at the fields that have been used this summer have been by outside organizations not school district non school groups are permitted to use the field and until nine forty five but they do not have access to the sound system and sound systems are not to be used by anybody saturday and sunday there was a baseball tournament saturday july twenty first loud music quite frankly i thought it was somewhat inappropriate for the age group guns and roses ac d c that far exceeded the ten decibels and it was a recreational baseball tournament that went all day on people i think are a little intimidated the fellow that it cost that the young man live and i don't remember what his name is i went talk to him the other day got a picture of the guy park it in on his yard and then he acosta the young man at it when he was coming from the part of football game while i was parking on the gerard and walking through a neighbor's yard those are some of the issues that i brought up last june when you put a stadium in the middle of a residential area you're going to traffic issues you have perking issues you're going to noise issues and those things are coming to pass so i guess the concern i have when i go through the fact that was supposed to be a three month project i think it's somewhere around ten now ten months as a taxpayer i'm a little concerned with the zero cost overruns are going to be that's not your issue but i guess the question is we don't have an awful lot of faith that anybody is managing this facility they're not keeping again and i was a football coach for forty five years i am not anti athletic but direct football kids are out there now they've been there all week they were in on the regional list so that we're getting we haven't even started the school year and it's disrupted our neighborhood substantially going to bring our very nature pictures were people said you know where there are some people that have come up on the ledge they have put signs down and all the trees that they've planted have died because of the heat and the time and money so and i know they've had a change with with the end retiring a new athletic director so i don't want to come i promise this to be the last time you see me ok but the bottom line is it has affected our neighborhood substantially and the school year hasn't even started i guess start questioning our only hope is that we may be asked the defense be put there just a precaution because since nobody seems to be managing the facility that you've got all these outside groups that are using and using the sound system it's cetera and going over the desk will level it's making it less than  and the well here on the twenty first the joint twenty first i was in san francisco for my niece's wedding my son and his wife stayed and of course you know they only stay when they want three of you so they know they're not there all the really should be brought to you but the issue is i'm not sure we go go to ed ed ed has been as an example because of the year the time overrun with doing the project and much of the construction still ended up going through the christmas holidays and they were starting work at six thirty in the mornings and one past him and i called ed and he got them to start working at nine nine in the evening ok show me where he's had a chance he's had an impact on when well the question is i've gone to the school district and to be very candid with you and partly is maybe the transition from leadership here but we've not gotten any kind of positive response  i stopped by the school to try to be to me to do the new business manager last week and he was out ok i've left a message or two with at least one school board member and i tried to get a hold of the superintendent because i think she was quite frankly she was the most adamant that the sound system if you read her guidelines was only going to be for the national anthem that was the only music that was going to be played so i know that at least what she proposed was something that i could accept but they blared as i'm not an acid rock guy anyway these aren't really issues for us to do well but the military and so i guess the question i have is since we've not had much success i don't think it's i don't think i need this into in front of the school waiting for the business manager to come i've made efforts to get in touch with him i've not gotten any response back i'm looking should go before the school board well i thought that too and i will go to the school board the question i have is the issue that you should visit the way was whether they ought to put the fence in that they proposed initially which would give us some level of protection do i trust the school board right now that without the sense i'm not going to have any other issues my category pool response to yours i don't have a want to save that they're responding to us in any way but i think we're actually free documentation as to what exactly was committed to you and how much is follow up how can a meeting with the school district i'm not sure who own a car tech superintendent athletic directors when i wrote down but i'll get a meeting actually i think it was john's recommendation that we put it before we make a decision to not put a fence or a potential and we were there that was except i just i have great reservations about what's going to happen when the true when school starts and we have that fiel think it's probably not limbo that different people use hopefully that when school starts now well as you said to me having been an athletic commander straighter when you have and i speak this in only in this context there's they've got an awful lot of independent groups down i'm married to john feeling other thing and talking to some some of the neighbors spies again we are having trouble it's it sounds picky but yet you're constantly like seeing reason i was point if you'd let me contain the reason that i think the fence would have helped the big because they can have a four foot fence behind our house or behind mrs wells house but they can't get over then if that if the fence is cutting them off from getting to the field stashed recommending approval with no commissions and this is a recommendation  recent division and staffs recommending the plane commission approve the plane and subject to those three conditions listed in my the fort and this was something we contemplated the going to be coming back to pharmacy component really takes away from being what we want to be with this giant eagle express itself and i think ray covered everything pretty pretty well i mean we have all the conditions there are substantively somewhere what we had  previously one thing i would add just you know in the car wash we extended the building probably twelve feet in order to really have an area where there's no put men into it provide for some day of devices within that str has to be rated from have separation from buildings in certain electrical elements itself and secondly there is potential that it would generate more noise and we want to the move that further away from  i mean we have we were still working on investigating the feasibility of that component itself in an ass and so there's surgeries by staff about screening and other elements in that and asking for additional details that we don't have to find yet so i'm assuming that's part of the pump system that would be the end of the equipment to compress the gas itself that location is photographed is from mars and our warehouse facility in craft in itself that supplies a fleet of of large units in four warehouses equipment and trucks this is more retail oriented which is limited to small fleet vehicles down ship in north hills and that is one of the elements they've required is that make it look like it's part of the building structures itself ok thank you is about three times that size of itself and we recently opened one up in indiana borough similar footprint so this would have a lot of the fresh food offerings a lot of  time we've not applied for that but that would you know that would fall separate track itself but that is one of the elements that offer that you know similar to our upscale grocery stores  concerned about is where is the traffic going to go once they've gotten their fuel and or food i don't see any air was directing anybody anywhere i do see that we have  help we've lived there for thirty years so we've watched this place grow and develop and everything else i'm concerned and most of the traffic from the neighborhood comes and goes south on nineteen because we didn't peters and that's where all the action in peters is you'll notice that there is a lane into the giant eagle that is off of that right turn lane so you'll have traffic coming out of circle going right and moving left and traffic coming south on nineteen moving right to go into the john you go so you don't have quite a congested crossover and i think that the chance for an accident is fairly well increased by that i don't have a solution to it but i'm just think it's they're calling it it's an extension of the portland drive six hundred feet into a temporary called in open space just to point out here this is this was part of tracks farm it was an active form one of the options under our zoning regulations is that they could use the open space design option as long as they kept forty percent of the form in open space currently there are going to say sixteen plus homes built in here  actively forming the areas that were open space seems to be working and tracks intends on continuing to form this even when we have the remaining lot spilled out it was a way for the township to allow development on form properties get it the same time create some open space and preserve some of the agricultural areas so tonight there is one w of developers here tonight asking for phase two a stance recommending recommending approval subject to the eleven conditions in our report and i want to modify condition three to state the portland dr connection to sugar camp road to facilitate delivery of public services be completed by the end of summer twenty thirteen we are getting a lot of with the residents living there because this loop back down to sugar camp doesn't exist at this time school buses don't go out there so you know we're going to let them get moving with this phase too but at some point next year we this connection from cortland down to shoot camp to it to happen so that school buses can come in to the neighborhood and pick up some kids for school so that's why they changed their condition and generate traffic so we know all the traffic improvements that that have to happen if when we build out in this area just off the top of my head i know that now to increase the size of the cover sections that are there to accommodate the school bus see i want to be a good neighbor again i just don't want to have my customers want to happy but by the same token i don't want to agree to something that i have no control and thirteen units each year is so for carbon or a couple years or so all the existing twenty six units i'm just putting twelve units in there that will be completed probably until early october of this year that we're proposing to build a brand new facility on the site where there are it's currently three buildings that make up the dealerships of the new facility will be to the honda's national standards for the size and scale of the facility that we're currently operating this plane is an aerial photograph showing route nineteen the subdivision that we're doing is a lot of consolidation it takes the watts that we have along route nineteen in addition to the approximately two acre parcel that were purchasing out forest lawn and that will become consolidated into one water for south goes on to the remaining portion all forest lawn will be the remaining area of the condition that emily was spoke about in regards to the easement he's talking about a great major great way that runs down through the forest lawn area and sure we can accommodate that and there is a other drainage way that comes in from the north that currently goes to a thirty six inch pipe right here and we can put an easement over the top of the thirty six eighty five as well so that condition can easily today this is the current entrance but it will be widened to new pendatang standards as far as radius isn't turning movement and the main entrance today is located about here so we're moving it just slightly north the reason for that is that there is a catch basin out on the roadway here and it's suggested that we move the access way in but the new building will be located here in the center between the most northerly building and the main to be worship building and then to the south as another service building of the plant will stay under operation during this process and as part of our site pla a staging plan to show how we will work through the construction of the building while we build it and still maintain and operate the existing facility not an easy task but it is something that  construction so a lot of the vehicles that you see there today won't be there during that construction process because we already have an offsite facility for them and we also have an offsite facility for the employees as well we also through the good nature of our neighbors it for a small on they're going to let us have a construction easement in two years so the way that we're going to be able to bring in our whitman to do our work is through the back door if you would so we can work into this area during that construction and then once the lead is up then we start working in from the front and start tearing down the other building so it will be an interesting steps but i think we've got a plan and refine it even further once we select the project contractor we go back to the site plan orientation for you begin the main facility will be located here it will be on approximately the same elevation as route nineteen here so you're going to enter in on grade at this point there are customer parking for those who want to come inside for sales most people a lot of people we come in for service so turning in him and there will be now an indoor service area so that for service check him she'd say that so that there will be a stacking area in front but then the vehicles will pull inside and inside there will be places for nine vehicles to be checking in so you pull in a garage door on a climate controlled area your vehicle be checked from there the vehicle will then be taken by an employee down to  lower area and be in the basement area of this building below this will show you a site plan of how that works will be the main facility for maintenance operations there also will be a small quick lube operation here so some of the service may be as a matter of just coming out and pulling back into here for the types of service when a vehicle is completed service  well the number of parking stalls that we have for the customer parking we think meets the needs and desires for hours of facility of this we've also shown additional parking areas for the code to meet the employee parking areas here here and in the back areas as well and there are also to accommodate this service vehicles that you absolutely need that parking but you see in the yellow areas would be the areas designated for display of new and used cars this is traditional for a dealership there will be cars along the front and in areas where delivery area so on this side of the building you'll see a garage or worse located here and a vehicle is brought inside and it is in that inside area where three vehicles at a time to be introduced to here and come into the parts department located there the car wash was still ity will be a two story building so it will be the car where facility it will be at the i'll say the basement to the lower level and above it at the first floor level will be used as a garage for the story job snowplows salt lawn mowers etc so it just becomes a very  storage area for us for those types of maintenance pieces of equipment there will be a pad here upon which three vehicles could be displayed so if you've got a brand new red or this case oc or yellow color car you could place it there on a pad for purposes of displaying those vehicles and they'd be rotated out from time to  time this plan to go though it's difficult to see but you probably in your own plans gives the grading for the site again basically this is the upper level we then have an access ramp that comes down to the lower level is wide enough for two vehicles to pass in this area begin this is vision dancin employee only area access to come down to here there would be signs you know located here to mark that this is not a public area it's for services but if you use this ramp down and then we have the in the lower area storm water management will be handled first there currently is a storm pipe that comes dock that discharges into the drainage way right here comes through this site what we'll do is we'll pick that up on a separate pipe and route it around the building and bring it back to the screen area there so we bypass the exterior water from the road where all of the interior site water would be collected by storm sewers these winds here and it will be around in the back and there will be two facilities for storm water management first there will be underground tanks located here and then the outfall from the underground tanks would be for a above ground we'll call traditional storm water detention one of the advantages of this is little give us a better area also for some infiltration the discharge from here would go into the drainage way that currently comes to through the site to this point and then the enter into the thirty six inch storm sewer that goes down through the forest lawn area as far as landscaping goes we're showing here the perimeter landscaping trees and shrubs that would be located along route nineteen and along our neighboring property landscaping within the plant or within the site itself shrubbery shrubbery up against the base of the building here and in the lower area as well you'll see an extensive amount of planting located here and probably really difficult to see but there is a red line here that represents a six foot high fence our arrangement in agreement with forest lawn is that we would screen and buffer extensively this will work area with them and so there's a combination of flowering evergreen trees in addition to the six foot fence with shrubbery so ultimately you know we were able to bring to them privacy and screening from our facility itself  to point out to you that further part of that is where there would not be outside speakers you know who have been always it's true that sometimes associated with these types of the of facilities the large green masses represent the existing trees that are down into the drainage areas that will be retained ok some of the neighbors who were here previously grew up in this area so we have that buffer in for them and there are existing trees and these are off our property but we wanted to show them as part of the additional buffering that would occur between us and forest lawn there will be new whites throughout the plant we did submitted a photo metric sheet showing the new lighting that would be  established throughout the plant there would be various levels of whiting if you would in the survey in that is why area would be one area in the back in the service area where we really only need the lighting during the hours of operation of service and would that be lit in the back area so the main why it would be in the front area of the building itself again is designed to the standards of you were looking every nineteen the main entrance to the building with the entry doors there of the glass doors along what would be the indoor display area where the service delivery that i talked about on the left side of the doors here on the right hand side would be three service doors that you would drive up to if you were coming in had an appointment to come in for service vehicles this also work as a area in which when service is completed which is the first for what we're looking at here are these three the worst are the doors for the customer new car delivery area so again if your purse in your vehicle you pull the vehicle into those days you would go through an orientation with you your salesman and you would then drive away from that in your space parts delivery would be located here and you see some of the office space that would be in the back of the building there the lower level in this area is divided into two activities in all show that you get to the floor plan and maybe better on on here this will be the back of the building again this is when vehicles are brought around the ramp this is the service the word that allows you to go into the service bay area but again this is all delivered by employees the height is such that it's almost two stories high in this area because of the lifts that will take place but out on the perimeter edges you'll see a mezzanine area for parts of this flight you know show that on the on the floor plan this would be represent the southerly or the right hand side of the building these are the four doors for called quick blue area that are attached to the drive through box for service again if you were to drive up you would go through the service check and come back around and probably go downstairs to come to here or you could go into the quickly facilities here currently only three of these will be quick lou and the fourth one will a photographic shop for purposes of photographing new or used vehicles you're starting to see here the elevation of the car warsh and these stories facility will  the main honda architectural feature here this shows the dual entry doors are coming into the service of the vehicle the supply is where you have new vehicles sales and then office areas in the back some of these are conference rooms and stock three wire for the cherokee and so again you show up in the morning for checking in or a new vehicle or a service be able to pull in service people come in check you when they didn't spot your car out for service and you can either come inside wait or you can head on home and come back and pick it up later last thing on the right hand side would be three quick lose in this is the photo back through here and lastly for garage facilities as dressing rooms restrooms and things like out the primarily for parts and storage of the mezzanine areas excess will by elevator and also by stair tower when i go to the next drawing you will see how that relates because here are the service lists that we would have for the facility so a vehicle is brought in put on a service lifted raised up so we this shows you have the mezzanine area is clear of that service area and we make use of that mid space if you weigh it is our going back to our landscape plan so that happy to answer  dollars is the differential in square feet between the current building in the new one so now i don't think we have it in process but i don't believe the h o p has been issued as at this point yes there will be we have currently access points but because we're making revisions to them mr norman and mr victor came to us ahead of time to explain the plan of great detail but i do have a question tapping into the knowledge of the expertise of the planning commission and that is is there anything in this development that could potentially impact our future development of our property specifically that one specific question i do have is with your knowledge of the creek behind is there anything about the way that they are managing the water or anything particular they've done their due diligence i know with the state and that the township and and the county but we want to know if there's anything specifically that we're fire additional permitting we're additional something sure what we're thinking about doing what is possible is i understand it's a very open ended question but we're not sure we're neither of us are experts on on water actually there is a creek that runs behind there and if we decide to fill it in we know that we would have to there's really no harm that we can throw to them because your organs requires us to discharge our water at the same rate house construction it is pre so to me the biggest possible harm that could have taken place is if we would have not followed that regulation and taken up capacity that would have would have been shared if you would but because your news requires us to  discharge forms be the same there were a zebra song we haven't heard them in that way i didn't want to jump in too quickly but it did respond so i would say that i would agree i don't know of any way in which we will harm them for what they're doing and if that's their desire to try to get a stream encroachment permit to fill that in spend a lot of time and a lot of money because it's going to take you a