it really wasn't part of the argument that you have four thirty in the morning and if he can't remember it well he probably never fired those skills as he got older because nobody really paid attention to it his mother didn't his school didn't whatever the case may be but you don't need to read right to have a now i'm probably not ready to start on it for know what four thirty in the morning is most people are sleeping you know what drugs are and a drug dealer is and you know that you're going rehabilitation are we looking for here we know he has and he got a ged while he was awaiting trial i think yes soon it's a good thing but what are we looking for and what would his well want to thirty five year sentence or maybe and i know the argument that you basically been in every wrong up until now however the problem is you put yourself in these situations time after time and this real opportunity he's been housed he's been supervised in housing but he's never had a real world opportunity to rehabilitate himself so how do we how do we know wh that wasn't perfect and what will that happen we'll never know there's no possible way we can know that what we do know is that there are thousands hundreds of thousands millions of people in poverty and in similar circumstances that do to commit crimes and we're not dealing with one or two occasions we're dealing with the fact that this individual since he was twelve has now the money year with an arrest and your conviction for a about crime for the tickets that he did receive in jail at least one or two of them were worth threatening other individuals and let's also look at the fac involved in crime itself he wasn't just all look out according to the people's there and according to the facts considering the light most favorable to the people he was in the children's room he wasn't just standing there potentially with the guy and he threatened the children so it would look at the fact of his involvement there was a lot stronger than defendants a chasse but the main effect is we have to look and where there are significant other potential for rehabilitation the fact that the an individual can't read or write he did get his ged you know kudos to him but there is give him one last opportunity and the trial judge said if you take the offer on the table i'm inclined to give you twenty two the third twenty to thirty years depending on the pre sentencing  really authorized you you can reverse is that it's but not every way the factors and it generally says that there are four basic principles of sentencing first we think of punishment second we think of in this discussion and again there is nothing in the rider does it just of course didn't do exactly what it was supposed to do we see records where there's much less significant reference and i'm concerned that he took an action that led to the reaction that occurred but the judge also said that erik strongly implied it's horrendous that you atrocious it's awful i've rarely seen a circumstance where five young men have destroyed their lives as a result of what they did however you were there you were there as a four thirty in the morning you took the action you had gone and you went up to the kid's room you threaten the children you were not peripherally involved you blew it and given the fact