we agree that his job was a cause of his condition and that what we don't agree on is what acts can we talk about some of the things that you  i hammer through all and hammers and i kind of thing during that time this condition got worse and we know it got worse because after in two thousand and eight when he reported it and then goes and gets an updated of treatment employees should not have to give notice to the employers and that sort of what you're saying ok but see there's a policy issue in the act because the whole life give notice but i mean it's for the benefit of  you so you have a condition it's been diagnosed you're informed of it without informing the employer absent treatment treatments we've always thought remedies for perspective treat her but there is the possibility that boy her might say i just don't want this condition to get worse before it goes into treatment is there some other work available that is going to keep a claim monetary claim away from my donor and that's policy and that's seems to be not brand is doing a balance trying to get that real knowledge because we're not all doctors but also the policy is notification to the employer to minimize not only injury to the employee but also injury month tary  both hands bilateral he had those complaints bilateral history gave to his doctor for ten years he was having these symptoms now you can sit there and say a family doctor can read harat right you gave notice simper who said he gave the history to his doctor of having a ten year history of bilateral symptoms so that would be consistent even though we informed the plant manager all it would be before he goes to do something happened before obviously because when he goes to the left they go to the plant manager to talk about getting his hands back and not buying a claim he wants to get its hands  gotten worse to the point that you no longer function and brass case that didn't didn't apply to she just kept working and in this case he just keeps working he doesn't necessarily have any problems he has continued working for counseling years i never understood to  well it's got to be a diagnosis now i mean we always if you look at every cases out there are headed to trauma there's always something with a diagnosis a treatment or an inability to work and all facts specific and they're all just a little bit different they're a magic formula to it and yes that's what i believe duran this group was saying in duran there's not a magic formula for this we're going to be fair and we're going to be flexible and we're going to have the part about what you're saying is that the commission decided and you're saying that there's evidence here but you just don't like the outcome now you can you clarify something remotely you can do in your office connect up through the internet and as dr romney talked about the right hand was so bad that they couldn't get a number on that remote which i mean had it just severe but you've got you've got diagnostic studies five dr reichman did he analyzed them and he said not only did he have severe on the right and i think i think the results were described as being mild on the right by the family doctor so there's something in the system is there so robin who's a markers for normal according to the doctor in this study so all those things changed later on and short of filing two separate claims which doesn't make any sense in this situation i mean if i do the work here