i don't understand you said alison it's dreadfully confusing that's the effect of living backwards the queen saddle the living backwards i've never heard of such a thing or this but there is one great advantage in one's memory works both ways i'm sure mine only one works one way alice remarked i can't remember things before they happen it's a poor sort of  works backwards the queen remarked collier loved this story because he believed we all have a memory that can work forward pre knowledge and guides part of what he called the collective are the coded messages from a non local intelligence giving us clues to the intention of the universal spirit these messages from the non local realm guide us to the ways to make our dreams and e your ego yourself and your ideas and then there's the third domain non local self from your point of view i'm all about you i'm a universal consciousness and i really don't have a form but i thought you might like to see me in your image even though you really share me with every other thing in the cosmos i'm having trouble understanding where you are like things to be rational in time beyond linear you know a beginning a middle and an end not with me things are timeless and infinite intuitive and relative i'm able to go places without any need for time or space travel even say instantaneously or maybe even miraculously i know what i am i me and i know what you are i think but maybe i'm not right i really need approval as your non local self i'm immune to criticism and flattery you're not always aware of me i like to ta you on your shoulder when you're sleeping or meditating or praying or maybe even standing in the shower or walking in the woods but keeping to keep paying attention to those coincidences there wait for but on this show we're welcoming the non local doming to talk about our super conscious creative spirits those spirits that are whispering to our imaginations and guiding us to our higher sel wow martha this is deep but i can't think of a creative soul that i would rather be on this journey with on the show welcome it's so good to see you martha you are a friend and you are also an artist and a musician not that we're are all creative spirits but i'm delighted that you're here and we talked a little bit you know what are your how do you where does your inspiration come from or what do you do  you say when people ask you about your creative inspiration when we were talking earlier and i can only call it a mystery i don't know where it comes from it can come from  something synesthesia when you notice something because i have no idea what i'm saying you know creative people all the time people will ask you after you've created something i know do you do you write music i write music i do not know how to read music but i can write it and i can write the day  of spontaneously and then i thought sounded out and repeat it and then other ones build on that and then sometimes the some of the words filter through or kind of bubble up and there's really no process to it you told me earlier would you say it was a mystery and this yes yeah he's a mystery oh you know it even occurred to me we're talking about the collective unconscious that as creative people for years the phrase the muses has been something that people say oh my muse is speaking to me i don't how many there are there are three or four there's music and dance and all it is a mystery i know in the show we've done this a lot of times and i'm still not sure where more they seem to happen yes yes ok there now there are cynics out there i should qualify that this show is coming i knew that you were going to be jump on board  there are certainly people who think that deep pocket and oh you know they're just way out to lunch and that everything is just law of averages and i just happen but that hasn't been my own experience my experience is there seems to be a pat and what are you painting on i you know i don't know yet don't know not sure where or what's coincidently last night i was reading an article about a book that was written by a fellow who does not believe in  he said are synchronicity and because there are so many things happening all the time everywhere that it's just the probabilities that but it's kind of it's a lot more fun to think the opposite of that i think so too that's interesting i there was some lady on n p r on within the last few months who talked about that we don't have a soul and it was so sad to hear this to me you know that how everything is i guess electrical and chemical i don't know i do think it's more fun to believe we have sphere of creative spirit and we have a a universal consciousness thats talking to oh deep pockets big into meditating he thinks meditating but he is also from india so i think it's more natural high some of my it's to me the best things i've ever created came to me when i was supposed to not be thinking i was meditating and then they come through anyway and it's just being a conduit for that something must happen to me when i'm i'm sleeping because i notice that when i first wake up i can have some really good ideas and i i'm sure my eyes some scientists would say my brain is just processing things while i'm sleeping and maybe it is but wow it seems like inspiration when it comes to people e j and the crew and included i'm afraid i'm often very late in coming up with the ideas for the show in fact this show just came as sort of a coincidence of really in the last week and i've often it's because i'm waiting for some kind of inspiration and usually it happens it's amazing i'll see but anyway it's interesting that you ask and when i read this and i knew i had written it so many years before eight or nine years i knew that a part of me knew that knew where i would be right now and it was conall like wild you know i did i got goosebumps and then i even started crying because it just seems so powerful that i haven't that we have been knowing or i'd least i feel like there's a part of me that knows the other side of this is i'd say well why didn't that part tell me why is it kept me in the dark this really does get kind of split apart here but you know we almost have to get to that about coincidences i read them and he talked about being high and then i thought all week i felt so much more centered and spiritual and then on wednesday i ran a few errands i had to go to framingham to see clients and i turned the corner in front of my house and my car made this sound you know a car talk or they go off right well i don't you know i call the toad people call the service station call the enterprise car rental and within america half i suddenly had a car and i was going out to framingham so and it wasn't that bad a broken axle it was it was fixable but i know depok would have been very proud of me and i can shut up here for a minute and we could spend a few minutes getting into our creative process thank you you get into it so readily that i don't think fin when thing that has occurred to me since i've been paying more attention in the last few years is how many messages i missed for so many years there may be a lot of the messengers i mean it may have been exaggerating it but i found it very enjoyable to spend time with him because it meant being open to things we couldn't explain and enjoyable encounters or unexpected encounters things seemingly happening thought does make the point and i think this is this that our desires and what we want our intention it probably is better filled when it is more for the greater good and wishing that you win the lottery is probably an intention but it's not necessarily about thanking the world a better place for in the right everyone i guess unless you plan on giving it all away or so that's i do think that making it more conscious if you have an intention of something you know positive happening that has to be envisioned it has to your to kewl aided in some way and then that's somehow the catalyst for those magical unexpected good things happening that there has to be some intention set around i think i had that experience absolutely in my life it's it's and sometimes i feel like i have to till the cosmos the universe the gods whatever it is the spirit that i really want to do something and it's not just pretending and you trying this and then you say oh you really mean you really he said sometimes accidents can be good absolutely freeze it up a little last night it was listening thinking of composing music he's a guitarist and i'm only recently gotten into listening to a lot of these things more not and he was talking about how one of his famous songs for dire straits  s money for nothing chicks for free right and he was in a literally maybe do you know the story i don't know the story but it was something i do when he was in an appliance store and in this employment store they had all these t v screens all turned in t v and he said his old man is sitting there working here and he you know the various words from the songwriter he's rock'n'roll guys there if you know they're there they don't have any talent all my judge now saying why are you painting this brown square here for no reason so it really but that's all right and you're rising above it nice i know you're familiar with the artist way some with yes and i guess i would think that the morning pages to me are some of connecting with whatever we get in our dream state or it's almost like spontaneous it's hard to force inspiration just about impos so whenever i start painting with a kind of a grid or rectangle squares it's my judge imposing order on something that i'm not sure fact i was struck when in deepak chopra's book he has the lists comparing our our self or earthly self versus the oh no local self and almost if you look down on the list it's all the things that we would like to have in creativity knowing judgement oh not linear spawn spontaneous all those things i thought wow you could be just writing this about julia cameron could say these right things you want to touch into to to free up the artist inside of you i think some medium serve more conducive for that this that unexpected effect when you have persons doing print making on a print because you never quite know what the result will be an instructor who is from taiwan and he had to go back for immigration for about six weeks during his class so when he came back we had missed a lot of instruction but i was totally amazed how great he was my pot would be going this way and he could come with two fingers and bring it right back and i just  to stop because you know what my painting class and that to me is that going between the inspired writing of knowing when to stop well you and i will continue listening to our spirits are saying argue are going to write to her of what are we what do you call them what do you call your inspiration i feel like i'm just sort of the