public testimony for eastern policy statement is open topic of them was not a community eastern policy statement came up much of the eastern policy statement significant pieces of it are included in the main body of the community plan and that was done by staff in the long range planning to apartment are what we did with community members who were interested was we spelling errors and there were facts that were updated and in our attempt to clean it up and have it continue to be an appendix in the  community plan we were very careful to not change our our intention was not to change the i'm not of the original group of people who put it together it says in the first couple paragraphs that this that we're here on the run and it starts out by saying the original group said the community welcomes correction and or updating to the guidelines in this respect only through the various steps but we desire that the state remain intact preserve the spirit under which it was prepared and the consensus it reflects has been truly an instant community plan so we took that very much took that to heart while we were doing the dishes so we we have submitted a twenty sixteen edition of the eastern policy statement to be considered to be included in the more community plan as appendix something in right now it's there's a placeholder there when i came in i found this on the table out there which is comments from court counsel and so i've been reading through these and i appreciate the work that was done to look at the revised version of the used and policy statement but in looking at the comments i see that most of them have to do with something is maybe a or unclear  make it more clear one comment says this is a legal concept so generally i read through this and i went yeah i know it's not it wasn't done by a lawyer or even with the lawyers  it was put together by community members and in one thousand nine hundred one and i think what i want to testify is that while these comments probably would clean it up more than we did in the i think it might i'm afraid it might change the voice of this document to be like core councils voice or professional planners points but it would cease to be the  so we feel like the revision that we have which is proposed to be clear in the molokai community plan is was a good job given that we left a lot of things in that we weren't clear on what it meant either but rather than take it out  left it in intact the way that it was written in the first place and try to just make changes that w there was wordiness there was stuff that didn't belong in a policy statement things like that so i'd ask that revision as it stands be considered without making the changes that co council has suggested if core council needs to or this group decides that they should make the changes that are proposed i think it should be done at a community meeting on the east end whole ok i'm the one who picked the day who reserved the facility and did all that because we had to do something the first sunday of december january february and the time tried as much as possible to reach out to people in the community and we have encouraged them to come here and speak tonight we have to sort of take the process and run with  it it's a touchy subject when you start to change somebody else's writing especially when we didn't know who wrote it there's no name attached to anything and i've read this policy many times i was on the planning commission in two thousand when we went through this process so i'm familiar with the process and i did read it and it's a hard read it was there's a lot of places where you read it you go and you read it and you read it and you still can't figure out what they were talking about there were some references in here where even our group was not even sure what they were referencing so we left it alone and so about camping facilities and it says well this is in conflict with not wanting more visitors on the east end and that's one of those where we probably did the best choice of words we met all the camping that's currently running on private property without any facilities available to create designated cashing facilities that's what we were referring to and trying not to be wordy so maybe that's wh have and we just background knowledge and we didn't put that background knowledge into what we were talking about but i understand with my understanding this is a policy statement you don't take actions on a policy group and it listed i think there was a section on what to do when you come across a grave what we did was we said first of all existing great sites need to be recorded many are not we get an e mail from debbie see the time has changed from the regularly scheduled twelve to nine o'clock so that people can go and enjoy the super bowl in the afternoon now i didn't make it you know was my second  conversation so again you have to give them acknowledgement for beginning to reserve the community certain designated time the first sunday of the month meeting at twelve o'clock but did we know the process was going to end me she told me that the county on the parks and wrecks are not involved with developing parks so she said she's looking for a non profit to receive just to hold it and give it back to the i want to be able to tell you i have a copy of the original one nine hundred eighty one policy on page nineteen there's a provision here that says call due to primary significant environment in social impact concerns the intensity of land get in the water to try and pull back and that's all i wanted to express is that we've been on the tremendous pressure talking about my husband and i because we are a resident of the residen keep the area rule and where we don't have any intentions to develop it our purpose is to do educational components there and to continue to keep the open space so imma show you've done your share you sixty we do seem to rule never heard of nowhere in the history of the largest commission have they ever received a kind of petition and the family paid for all of their and when we went to the county we did not want to have commercial impact in the area resources so i got my piece out here because i see that i have not tried to influence agencies so their comments is really strictly limited to their statement in that changing changing it again or more to include core councils changes the voice of the eastern policy statement i think i'm not sure where the overstatements or mono or would be how that would be injected into the eastern policy statement but i think the same impact might be felt in that the voice of the man not a author's in one nine hundred eighty one would be changed if there are things that we want to put in to the plan then it should be put into the plan in the body of the community plan the changes we made to the east and policy statement or again for clarification for readability there were incomplete statements there  were names of people that aren't around anymore so it was really just to make it accurate and readable and have it stay as part of our community plan as the appendix it is the voice of the  and community members who put it together and that's what it should remain if we're going to change it then i would suggest community get together and with collect to help develop a new eastern policy statement twenty sixteen or what twenty twenty six which is ten years from now you know the one thing i want to say about the traditional one comment or console me was that you that somebody else ok so and i appreciate the comments they are you know generally helpful there was one comment that stood out for me that said traditional what is traditional in news there is no such thing as traditional land  or is this you know it was not understood but the point is that way back in one thousand nine hundred one on the east end looking forward said there should be something called traditional land use that many of our areas that are just cultural sites and archaeological sites in total zones there's not a zone or district you cannot protect a piece of something and have the whole thing it doesn't work so being creative and forward thinking they'd looked at about something called traditional land use or traditional zoning  some of us have looked at ideas like cultural landscapes which is at a federal level a designation that says this whole area is historic unique there's cultural features archeological features it's important to keep it intact and to not develop it or build houses on top of it but to with guidance from the indigenous community look at restoration and actually putting them back into function in order we've talked about fish ponds and what we call a forever till we you know there's a third generation already that is saying how can we can get twenty permits why isn't renewed use one of the things on the deal and are permanent besides existing use or new use something in between called renewed use for the purposes that that was internet for so the on the eastern policy statement i think it's a beautiful document that speaks to us from one thousand nine hundred one those voices are speaking to young people that want to actually live that traditional lifestyle that the last two generations have been fighting to protect from being demolished and bulldozed and built upon so that's my mom not we at the first meeting i'm sorry people were upset with us that we held the third meeting on super bowl sunday mostly me and i said if it's at one o'clock i'm not coming i'm not going to miss kickoff and so it sounds stupid now but at the time everybody knew first three sundays of the next three months we're going to meet and whoever can come come and we did the best job we can i think it was a good job that we did there was no intention to leave anybody out or to defraud anybody or to make any kind but i would do in a better job next time thank you statement has been discussed so this is a special moment i think it's a good start i know you guys are pressed with time until you know i haven't told me ten for the plane department to transmit to the council and the last meeting is march tenth i'm not mistaken i recommend that you guys discuss taking advantage of the month of april to maybe have a couple more meetings maybe one of which could take place in the night community to discuss the eastern policy statement where this type of discussion belongs that's my opinion secondly i want to thank the people from them and i community including those in you one that originally drafted the policy statement that we had review that's part of our existing plan as well as those more recently to try to updated my thought they did all in all in a pretty effective job i read it side by side i looked at every word that was wordsmith every word that was different in some of the sections out words that condensed in for the most part and from an initial read it's a had a lot of thought and it was a it's a good document and i would say that there are a few pieces of wording that do not match up with the original plan and that do have consequences that the next meeting you know gives still proper to nitty for the community to provide some feedback to this is the first time we've discussed it with this body listening to your feedback getting feedback from the public so you know hopefully there's no final decision made on the final vote to receive this tonight hopefully that can be given more time for input and we can talk about those those small details and then lastly on i do believe that as long as this plan is not in its update does not conflict with the main community plan that we have  reviewed that it does be included in its entirety in the in the appendix however as much as possible i know this is difficult with formatting but that the  issues goals policies and actions that can be derived from it be included in the main plan so that the main plan has has addressed those issues as much as possible just so much as the monologue community would have the same concerns and those would be part of the plan as well but that we've maintain the integrity of the plan the whole so that when people want to hear about east and it's its own story its voice its its policy statement that you can read it in its entirety so those are my comments stand policy we were trying to enhance it to make it much more clearer given what we have knowledge of what our staff has and they are wearing yourself the courier who's an in laws so i just wanted to make sure that you force understood he wasn't t do anything that did not try to fit with to be have more clarity to the eastern policy statement that came out of one nine hundred eighty one connects us to the lands when you take that away you taking away all identity taking away our spirit one and we got a particular we have because that twenty to thirty forty years from now on can teach our great great great grandchildren of who we are and where we come from yes can articulate a from us that's why it's so important to protect what we have no i don't think it's fair that we're being trampled on i think we should just saw you know work to get on and acknowledge that we still exist thank you another twenty plus foot on that plus you're not twelve foot wide and lease and this is one boat no doing that there's no parking anywhere these places where they want to make the round you know  knew you know you are cheap multimillionaires whatever that don't buy a land around that area and then a no idea she's a whole demographic and and thus you know that's my thoughts about that  comes up with with their with their additions or corrections or whatever and like to have a meeting on the east day where more people can attend and then there's one part in the then when the document was submitted it is it encourage since that plan we do have a fire station up there but it's in tsunami designated area and if we're talking community priorities i would rather see fire station first responders relocated to a better site then developing and doing feasibility studies go around i think and leave it down in how la and people would camp and we would go in like five years ago i went down with my children taking from quiet and everybody has a camp and it's really nice and big boats to go and i don't know anyone that has two hundred large twenty two twenty two footers and above that would want to read on the east end and i've spoken to a lot of people to a lot of people oppose it but at this time i'm not going to go into that because i believe that there was enough talk about that but anyway thank you for your time  q equally peter's holy who resident i definitely would like to encourage each and every one of you commissioners to consider the  idea document that callet most had segment and the reason for that is that she holds the integrity she got her legal team backing this up and the objective is to protect the people of monotony and there was a terminology that was in the comments that and this is another charge that was made regarding customary one of the statements that i made when i read from the letter comes from article twelve section seven and it talks about hawaiian customary rights that's one of the suggestions i have  one is to implement that second thing is that could answer the question for whoever commented on the last statement that i have to make i know that there's only one more meeting and i know that you're all tired and you come from me and i totally understand and to respect all of you my suggestion to the commission board is that you hold your last meeting because it's of grave importance and not here because the people are there and the journey is long for them the cost for gas so hold your l meeting there and take care of the people that's my suggestion towards a solution the topic is very very important and it's the heart of the people and you can hear it based on their testimony you can see it based on the effort of each individual who volunteers their time to create these documents and they're not three pages you know they're twenty plus so please take that all into consideration we love and we want to keep it more change is inevitable but at the same time the reason people come here and love the serenity and the peacefulness of this place is because it's small ok so i leave that as my last words to  thank you by the way for being here for all of us and listening to us the schools so what happened what happened to me he said i really don't know you guys have got you through here easy going to be a place we'll just retired outside people ten years now plus and never before have we been able to just sit down with patient people and hear our community speak and that is awesome because you cannot put everything your heart feels into three minutes so i just wanted to think everybody for that secondly you know i get my own i don't live in minot anymore but i don't fit generation girl and i have my own issues with with the east and policy statement and the revisions and those kinds of things and that's an deep subject because when you talk about having differences in those things i have differences with my family on those issues yeah debbie was referring to my father's brother we know agree at all on what should happen with the boardroom and so i guess what i want to do is make a motion first of all i heard the community ta extending the meeting the and i agree and i will make a motion to extend it but not to eat crow for the simple fact that i am no longer going to sit on this commission after march thirty first which means that i don't two more community meetings aside from march tenth to march seventeenth and march thirty first and i would recommend that we revise the planning commission review center and review auch up there is to include the east end policy statement and the monarch community plan and then we have one break on the twenty fifth and meet on march thirty fifth thirty first to do the implementation and monitoring and final review and then if somebody's on a secular might we can discuss so for discussion purposes the reason i thought that that would be a good  amount of time is the money community would then have about five weeks to come together and decide on  policy statement that going work for a majority of your community and so would a monologue community it will also give the commission at least three weeks to review final drafts of those documents to include the recommendations that department has said they would make could all have documents and all how can make recommendations to the policy statements of the communities that way about a thirty first when we review we will have head a funnel through document of all this stuff to the best of our ability as we go forward it may be that we still get issues we probably still going to have issues but it will give everybody an ample read the department wanted to make recommendations but i haven't seen those recommendations yet so i want to i'd like to see him because you know i read all of the documents and all of those things and i think it's pretty good  i think it will also give us time to think that document and look at them on a community plan and see where those things are are are complementing each other as opposed deeper i was in this situation before i sat on one land use committee when they were deciding allow point project and my family was completely against the decisions that we were making to go forward and i will maintain as i do now that i do not sit on this commission lightly that every decision i make is with the utmost intent and love in my heart for th community and the commission we got to do our homework like we got to read through all of our documents you know it's it and i know we all get other things but there's so much effort put into this by so many people and the one thing that our community is asking us for is time and time encourages trust and trust encourages that we can do the best thing that we can as we move forward and then just to close i just would like to say at in our spirit and in what we are able to do building a boat ramp and all those kind of stuff is like seeing you expand the whole of airport because you want to get mainland plates in here it's just not possible and some things were not meant to be and i believe that our hawaiian people is founded on a strong spiritual foundation if god wants it to happen it will happen with or without our help and so for right now instead of creating new things i think what we should do is heal our community and let each other have pine with one another to talk story and have our families not fighting each other thin but quite frankly more important than i'm sure to you all is not that but the fact that you are going to be losing and ron davis and that's what is important so all i can say is i cannot right now tonight without my director commit to three more meetings it cost a lot of money for all of us to come here every single time i will do my best i'll explain all your concerns obviously planned a meeting on the town and i think we thought we'd have to have another meeting to try to get all this end i don't know that we can find and i know for example right now on march seventeenth i have to be in council chambers as does the director asked as the deputy to do a budget i have to appear and that's going to be an all day thing so i i can't i cannot commit i will absolutely express your concerns and your desires but i cannot commit to three more meetings are rather two more where you said the seventeenth on thirty first but you know express i ying to help fly everybody here so that we can have the call i mean what kind of limitations are we working with and is there possibility for us to do something thank you for the question i agree that the most this is regarding the three commissioners that you're losing on the thirty first and to give yourselves enough time for everybody who's put so much work into this to date to not lose that moment to lose those people so pushing everything to end thirty first is to me problematic because you don't leave yourselves any room at all you know losing those three commissioners maybe you can look at alternative dates you know and i think what you i'm not giving on legal opinion is just common sense opinion you need to decide whether or not you have the time to analyze the eastern policy statement and how is it what steps you want to take with that document or whether you want to encourage the community to petition council to have their own community plan for the east and it may be time for that you know rather than trying to clude it or rush it through and you know so that's that's a policy judgment that you folks are going to have to  make and encourage the community to stand behind you think that's worth it but i'm really what i'd look at is alternative dates and how much work you have to do in the community plan and then try to really b another thing i do want to make clear because a couple many people have actually emailed me or called me and asked me this question county council will have one year to review the document and i want to assure everybody here that there will be meetings here  so please know that so i appreciate and respect the fact that you want to try to address the east policy statement and some of these other issues before it leaves planning commission and i think that would be great but i also want people to know that the county council will be coming here and having public hearings and public testimony in public meetings here on molokai i mean to me that is really important you all know that so they will be coming here  and other than that i echo what richelle is saying and that i'd hate to have it on the thirty first and not have it totally the planning commission and that's your last shot john and uncle bill isn't and  runs i just i wouldn't do that i would try to in least have it on the twenty fourth so that if there is anything that could happen it might give you another week but i'd hate to have it on the very last night of your of an opportunity for you to serve on the planning commission  i don't think i do it on the thirty first i think i'd push it to the twenty fourth just in case so i didn't get your legal opinion on what happens in the community process if the department cannot afford or is not able to hold two more meetings what is what is the process i mean because the process is to have community input we scheduled those the i don't i don't know that you have to have so many meetings or you can't have more than so many but what happens i think we need to look at our dates that everyone's available for special meetings so you'd want to discuss whatever dates you've got over the next three weeks you know three to four weeks and see when everybody's available but it's not that's not a legal question it's really just when everybody can be here and you know if you can commit a quorum things like  that i think the reason why i said the seventeen and the thirty first was because it's not it gives everybody approximately five more weeks and let's put it this way if we i think you know again what i went trying to do is look at all of the things that you need to do to complete your review of the community plan including whether or not you feel that in the next three weeks or so you're going to i mean that is really critical because there are so many inconsistent inconsistency in terms of c p land use designation and existing designations symbols on the back of the room you know she was going to come to discuss as i mean those are some really critical things that we need to do we need to also i mean you have many people who presented testimony obviously there's the oha testimony nancy has given us really beautifully laid out tables d h h l well to ready had i mean none of that stuff has been acted on it needs to be acted on by the commission so there's a lot of and then of course chapter ten which is absolutely critical so i see yeah i agree i see that we need at least you know march tenth we need to really focus i think it's great we got to talk story i totally agree but we are boxed in by a county ordinance of which this whole process will expire and while we have to stick to that and that's important i'm more concerned about the fact i don't want to lose and i don't want to lose billy and one who is run and i want to have something happen before their terms expire so i think then also critical is we need to know who even how warm so what might help me tonight when i go to my director to say we need at least one more meeting can we do to it's a budgetary question is as far as march twenty fourth i mean that's a date i think we had initially discuss would we have a number one because i'm not sending people over here three people shot that i will get killed if we come here there's no core and i just can't begin to tell you so it would be important for me to take back so i can get information as soon as possible but no i'm saying march twenty fourth for now is a day and marry you guys with initially discuss the possibility of that date for sure is march twenty fourth just for now start with march twenty fourth to see if we would have a quorum on the twenty fourth you're saying no i mean if you want to do it march twenty fourth and seventeen yes fine but i really believe we need to have two more meetings one in minot is definitely and one last one in college everybody him in i would tell him you want to right now i'm trying to say for these two days whether or not what do we have i just need to meanings and one definitely in i appreciate you wanting to have the meeting there but for the record i want to yet again state and then is sitting right there we tried again and again and again we couldn't get a location hopefully we can so hopefully we can get the location i know people certainly tried to have a meeting out there so if we could on the seventeenth the twenty fourth and thirty first get a head count as to whether or not we're going to work and we can work with that