good evening where i'll happy to see you here tonight on this wonderful summer evening august seventeenth thank you for being a part of all the good that happens in holland michigan around the government thank you how could we have a wall we do every meeting for decades and we begin with a prayer tonight's will be led by our count kali brian birch and then we will have the pledge of allegiance could you please stand with us if you're  by your heads oh lord our redeemer and savior forgive our sins count not our transgressions but rather our tears of repentance remember not our neck with ease but more especially our sorrow for the offenses that we may have committed against you we long to be true to your word and pray that you will love us and come to make us make your dwelling place within each of  promise to give you praise and glory and love and in service all the days of our lives amen i pledge allegiance to the play of the united states of america and  appreciate that so now we're going to go on to the consented genda which is a list of items that we are going to handle with one motion and one vote however there could be something in that list you came to particularly addressed this evening if so at the end of the reading of the consent to gender i will open it up for those to who would like from the audience or from counsel to remove an item from that consent agenda and it will be handled in its sequence within the meeting so first we'll have to invite glee our city clerk read the list of the consent agenda please thank you madam mayor item for a to excuse the absence of council member byrd item four b to approve the minutes of the july thirteenth july twenty seventh and august tenth study sessions and july twenty eighth and august third two thousand and sixteen regular to approve a services contract with dickson engineering for the total sum of thirteen thousand two hundred eighty two dollars to complete scheduled five year inspections on water distribution tanks as reviewed and approved by the city attorney item twelve eight two to approve a contract with federal income for the sum of one hundred nine thousand seven hundred forty dollars to clean paint and repair the south side tank and a contract contingency of ten thousand nine hundred seventy four dollars as approved as to form from the city attorney item twelve eighty three to approve the amended easement with consumers energy for property number one thirty two revision associated with the existing natural gas pipeline in an amount not to exceed fifteen thousand dollars pending final approval as to form by the city attorney item twelve a fourth to approve the amended easements with consumers energy for property one eight one one three revision associated with a natural gas pipeline pending further final approval as to form by the city attorney item twelve a five to approve a contract with franklin hall with her company in the total amount of three hundred sixteen thousand eight hundred dollars a transfer from the contingency of sixty two thousand eight hundred dollars to cover total anticipated project costs pending approval as deformed by the city attorney item twelve eighty six to prove an agreement with a holland energy fund to provide a three million dollar line of credit from the holland board of public works to be used for funding home energy improvement loans item twelve b one and seventeen to accept and placed on first reading zoning amendments of zoning ordinance amendment to rezone two hundred fourteen east twenty fourth street from the are one or two one and two family residential district to the c five professional office service district with final adoption scheduled for the september seventh two thousand and sixteen regular meeting item d item twelve d want to approve the renewal of a rubbish collector business license for touring general hauling item twelve easy one point one to approve a purchase order agreement for the two thousand sixteen skip milling and paving project with black gold transported paving in the amount forty nine thousand three hundred fifty dollars with funds provided by the major and local streets budgets item twelve easy one point two to approve the two thousand and sixteen resurfacing project to rethink reilly construction company in the amount of seven hundred sixty one thousand one hundred ninety six dollars funds to be allocated from the street improvement funs subject to approval as deformed by the city attorney i don't twelve easy one point three to approve the state street resurfacing project  in the amount of five hundred thirty six thousand nine hundred forty one dollars and fifty cents using unit prices from the central avenue reconstruction project were pluggable funds to be allocated from the street improvement fund subject to approval to form by the city attorney item twelve the one point four to approve the ninth street irrigation project to evergreen sprinkling in the amount of one hundred thirty two thousand dollars five hundred twenty five funds to be provided a specified in the ninth street reconstruction project budget subject to approval as to former the city attorney item twelve easy three point one two approve a professional services agreement with elzinga and v in the amount of twenty two thousand eight hundred dollars item twelve a four point one to declare a surplus by schools acquired by the police division with donations we made to seventy times seven and also listed in property room dot com for disposal and sale item twelve a four point two to approve the purchase of a two thousand and sixteen john deere pro gator utility vehicle with tech t dump truck as surplus and authorized staff to dispose of said item in a manner that is most advantageous to the city item twelve efore point four to approve the financial policies and procedures manual regarding federal awards item twelve e's six point two two approve the second amendment with edgewater resources l l c to accomplish additional labor materials associated with  that's the case please come to the podium give us your name and address and the item you'd like removed from the consent agenda seeing none from the audience any requests from counsel when i'd like twelve b one from applying commission twenty fourth street ok thank you to be one any other items removed from consent agenda yes mike since we have some people in the audience i'd like to  twelve eighty six ok thank you and other items an industrial development district nine hundred brooks avenue applications filed by t k p investments and the properties shown here from the surface and there from the bird's eye  plus jobs i will be created k p investments is affiliated with coastal automotive and we have representatives here tonight paul doyle in particular who is going to speak to this investment  would begin at some point along and perhaps be occupied by two thousand and seventeen with that after the completion of the public hearing in that presentation you would be in a position to dop attached resolution to create industrial development district for property located nine hundred books seven thank you ryan i would like to open the public hearing so there's anyone here who would like to speak to this means come to the podium and give us your name and address and you have five minutes green light means gallon yellow light means one minute mark and red light means five is up fair enough my name is paul doyle and madras is one six six nine five opportunity for holland coastal automotive is one division of a cut of a group called coastal group that includes coastal container on the south side of town coastal automotive has a headquarters principal in rochester hills lead foot automotive downtown holland holland detailing and t k p investments are all members of the coastal group my role as the chief executive officer of that group and with me tonight is mark mcconnell who is our chief financial officer as well the two seconds on who we are as a as a company because a lot of motive was started on the east side as a joint partnership with coastal container probably about two thousand and eight a really good time to get started in the automotive industry for anybody who was around during that period of time and so we pulled back a little bit on the packaging side of the business and focused in more on the automotive side we are a company our tagline is everything we do is safe and sound our principal products are safety products for the automotive energy impacting for materials this is a sample of our our material  that it's a energy absorbing foam the united states has one of the lowest rates of seat belt usage in the developed world and as a result there's and it's a safety standard regarding what's called head impact countermeasures  in the cockpit of a vehicle that there has to be a certain amount of energy absorbing for an unbelted occupant material is unique in its ability to meet that need and so it provides a pretty significant safety advantage to the car so you'll find it in the headliners you find in door panels you'll find it in the a and b pillars and things like that provide a significant improvement in head and brain and brain injury reductions in accidents are second product is what's called the sound inside the vehicle one of the highest correlating features between the quality of a vehicle to a passenger is the quietness of the vehicle and so we're excited about the possibility of this product as well both of these products are backed by dow they were invented by dow but dow does not market dow is chemists and so we have basically global exclusivity for their use in the automotive market therefore when we started this business back in two thousand and eight we were a simple couple million dollars in sales our projections for this year as well and our run rate at over thirty million in sales and we will be significantly more that's just with our first product lines will be significantly larger therefore we had to make a strategic decision about how we wanted to position our organization to support the north american market and both brant patterson who is the owner of the coastal group myself and others this is our back door so we want to bring bring the jobs and the opportunity here so what we decide is we want to get the this with the old brooks building on one hundred bricks avenue three hundred thousand square feet gives us a lot of room to grow and so our hope is that we'll get on the kind of the conservative side based upon the fact we don't want to undershoot that number and the thing that is most interesting about this whole thing to me is that the market is huge out there for this opportunity and so every dollar that we can put into  investment to tell grow the business will receive benefit in the market and so we're happy to be here to explain or our business and hopefully gain your support for for the growth that we want to want to drive into this region wonderful those are exciting products and you know i hate to make both of those there yes and this hasn't been said but they'll be a third product as well as a third secret product there's a lot of dow it's got a lot of horsepower behind and we've got a very good marketing arm into the automotive world so it's a great partnership you know i can't think of two more good better areas to go into the safety and the sound reduction in a vehicle those are really wise you any other comments from council yes david i'm sure we'll hear more about this later on with other applications and so forth but we've got to think that the sort of expansion that represents an expansion and job opportunities as well your projection of rough ballpark for your what that might look like yet currently are our production employment is about one hundred in rochester hills and we're not playing to move any of that we're planning to only expand here so  ok we are on to public comment if anyone came here this evening in order to speak to something that is not otherwise on the agenda welcome you to come to the podium give us your name and address and you're free to speak for five minutes hello  my name is george clark and i live at seventy one twenty four cascade road in grand rapids michigan i am here on behalf of the holland energy retrofit program and the like to tell you a little bit about us i'm one of the owners of west machine class black we have been around for thirty three years we have an a plus rating in the better business bureau we won the super achievement award numerous times from angie's list and we're very proud of our reputation we as a company as far as values go really deeply care about our team our customer and of course the communities that we serve i want to start by thanking it congratulating all of you on this retrofit program that you're  upin i've worked in this field for over eight years i've only been consulted nationally with a lot of weather station companies and in our company we have twenty years of experience we've done four thousand audits thousands retrofits we've won many awards and i've been a speaker nationally at our convention and and a present or as a result of this i've had the opportunity to see the best programs in the nation and i have never seen anything like what you all have done with the coalition that you put together and i don't mean by a little bit by a huge delta i've been exposed to many and it's just it's just amazing what you put together the twenty percent grant that is available for profit projects fifteen to three thousand dollars worth of rebates available from b p wu and your gas supplier this on line financing for ninety nine percent through michigan saves and the energy adviser you have in peter bouckaert who is so passionate and he's really going to make this a war he's checking every single step and quality is really going to be ensured from start to finish you guys have set the stage to make history and you've set the bar very high for others to follow and for me having a love and a passion for this industry i'm really hopeful that this is going to be one of those things that really helps us get traction but you've got peter is the adviser he's measuring results and we're going to actually have some fusion future usage tracked in the r combine forces with government the community and the utilities and brought in michigan saves it it's really amazing this has been a major problem across the country you vetted the contractors  and i'm proud to be associated with the ones that peter is selected you've helped encourage pertness with other great contractors and you've helped deliver a complete solution one of the problems with this in the past is away at just little hunks of this and that the complete solution for the homeowner should really be a great thing i know for us it's forced us to pertness with other people that provide some of these services to be necessary are lining up for this georgetown prize and with some of the consulting i've done i've gotten very positive feedback from some people that i know so today i have an ask in my ask is as leaders in the community i've been in other programs in fact the gentleman here mentioned dow chemical we did a major program for dow chemical and we had huge support from them but one of the most important elements was the leader stepped up and they became ambassadors for this and that means you've got to go through the process you've got to model the behavior she got to live the experience and you have to help communicate this program to others and you do that through case studies by the way we have a system that makes that very painless and very very easy in all these cases that these have been successful is when leaders have stepped up and they've actually done something and i really want to encourage you to do that it really helps kick off a program and it gives great credibility to it also you know if you don't need any were done or any of the services i'm telling you you will still benefit greatly in what you're going to learn about your home how it impacts energy safety health and you're also going to get a tremendous education and lifestyle and behavioral activities that will save you a lot of enter and it's really even in that it's going to really help achieve that lofty goals that this great coalition has put together you've put yourself on the national stage and it's taken many years to do this which i've kind of watch for the last yes seven years in what's gone on and and and in the back here i've got to compliment her she's been she's been a soldier through this whole thing it's really been impressive but it's time to make as merry and leave five minutes and leave a legacy for her children in this community once again i can gradually you know we're honored to be part of this on this  a historical program but we need leaders to lead we need your help and we need you to do something and i know that you'll really benefit from it tremendously so i thought running over you thank you we appreciate your enthusiasm and expertise and we're very thankful for all the different groups of people that have worked very very hard to make this happen it takes a huge amount of cooperation and like you've cited that the city the utility in the community working together we can do much bigger things when we are come together so thank you for coming in today we appreciate you speaking from a national perspective thank you thank you is there anyone else who would have a public comment for our council this evening that seeing any will close the time for public comment and we will move on and then to the item that like to golf on the island energy fund fund presentation and of course it preceded with a budget that you created and the holiday participated in that in two thousand and twelve you stablished citizen led task forces at the city council requested that they be citizen led and the task force project and so lection of a consultant to assist us with what a system wide going to scale plan might look like we learned in the course of that that the legislation for the state of michigan had to change we were one of consideration of the results of the pilot study and the creation of two pronged approach one is by the third floor led by joe di in the home energy retrofit overall arching  strategies and peter bouckaert was essential as his role on the committee as well as his committee and then one led by dave kushner and sawyer's in creation of the on bill financing and together they will create the outcomes that we hope that you will see according to your fifty forty year community energy plan i'll just say one more thing and that's that for people listening hopefully you will be able to be in contact with the people i mentioned for further activity on your part you are leaders to my knowledge in energy retrofits i know that many of you have installed these devices and i think i produced personally energy energy bill one from one fifty five to fifty five dollars a month after i did so so i think that that is an example that the community can look at as well and we have a soft opening essentially about ready to happen with the expectation that more marketing and more of public works where i community energy services manager and one of the projects i have been working on for the last year and a half is the development of an ville loan program that we anticipate launching the first of october so this evening we are coming to have your consideration and agreement with the holland energy fund to provide a three million dollar line of credit from the holland board of public works to be used for funding home energy improvement loans to homeowners in the city of holland and the fund is a nonprofit corporation that was set up by the city that supports implementation of the city of holland's long range community energy plan it's a forty year strategy to  homes can qualify for a loan from the holland energy fund and pay for those improvements on their monthly electric bill so very convenient process this will be the first program like it in the state since the legislation was passed at the end of two thousand and fourteen the proposed source of capital for these loans is the hound board of works and  the one that brian cotton was referring to that authorizes certain to adopt residential clean energy programs to promote use of renewable energy systems in energy and fish and see improvement by owners of real property and to provide financing of those programs through commercial lending by a nonprofit corporation utility bill charges and other means so this program is being designed to use cash reserves from d p w and have those be available to the holland energy fund in the form of a line of credit are there any questions or any questions any there's the birth of dot com and that will be switched on the c v so it's on now holland energy fund dot com and that'll be a great place to learn more about the program and also the program that george clark just referenced which is the home energy retrofit program it's also a place where contractors can find information about how to participate great thank you dan thank you very much so without any more comments does anyone have a motion were approved moved by hoekstra support supported by your tibor yes motion passes eight zero this wonderful especially when you change legislation at the state level to make it happen thank you so much and for all that you did and all the other people that have been involved in this it's a great community amendment to rezone to fourteen east twenty fourth street from the r to one and to family residential district to the c five professional pa for service district as recommended by the planning commission to help everyone get their bearings of it in focus and on the property we are discussing the site planets on the screen in front of you shows twenty four street running left or right at the top of the screen lincoln avenue running you know top to bottom c s x rail line is just off to the right of lincoln avenue ac credit union is this box located right here the property we are talking about is that thick black line that has be n outlined with the red arrow right now that's currently zoned of residential property it is a vacant property as you can see in the image it's in front of you right now this image is standing on twenty fourth street looking south towards the ac credit union their plan is exit here and then they can ave or circle the voting and come out on the twenty fifth the sole purpose is just for a better utilization of their property the zoning c five is our professional office zoning districts only office uses can go any questions from the commission yes wayne you know thanks to all charles when i read through this i wasn't quite exactly sure what you were talking about this makes it very clear so thank you very much you're welcome t so the action tonight is just referring to the rezoning ok this action well i believe would only require land use permit from our office ok which does require engineer review by brian wright our city engineer ok and we can yes peter's birch yes we're de boer yes motion passes eight zero thank you sir we're on to neighborhood enterprise zone for the washington school adaption of resolution right thank you madam mayor members of the city council we have been present i'll introduce this as well as individuals from the staff who have scored this request and can provide additional information on the policy as you about development especially where there's redevelopment which includes a number of issues so the policy has five criteria and if the answer is yes to three of them then the city council is in a position according to our policy toward the end easy so is the project located in a low income census tractor census black group the rajah question is the washington school area and getting that on the screen  here it is located in the census tract that is low income is the final project unit costs twenty five percent more than the average cost in the census tract and the answer is yes i'm showing some pictures of written about a year and a half ago to signifies that green isn't going to contribute to the community plan which was spoken of it will not be leed certified so that is a no however more information was secured about the project that is school project is pretty policy i want to hasten to say that the policy contains a clause that you may vary from and it's clear that in the case in some cases that has been true so this is really just to get the conversation started and you give you a baseline from which to have your discussion this information was presented to the applicant and there was a series of e mails that went back and forth and i believe you have them in front of you that i think you'll probably receive information that encourage you to consider something other than what is recommended by the city staff without a clue very remar property has been i would say the last several years on their agenda and many times you've had neighborhood people very interested in this property this stork commission public schools the is obviously well that's the developers i think it's a great project i'm hoping to see that this is going to go ahead i think it's going to help the whole neighborhood i would like to see the least part of it become a park that the city can develop with the neighbors on the other side i have concerns that by giving any z oh the city will be losing a substantial amount of money from our general fund we have costs of police fire parks and recreation city employees retirement  city lighting snow removal of sidewalk repairs there's all kinds of things the city is responsible for doing so if these people are given a  tax easement for a significant number of years this is means the revenue will be there i kind of go on the premise that it's important for everybody to pay for their share of the cost of this just seems that what it is other people but build or improve their homes don't get would not get a tax savings as these kind of people will there seems to be some question on city council as to how many of these properties or condos have been spoken for and where we are at that it might be helpful if we can find out a little bit more details of this but i would have a hard time supporting this as it is we are not going to get this city park like we've talked about before we're not going to get taxes it's going to cost everybody else somewhere between fifteen and twenty dollars more on their tax bills for a lot of people who have fixed incomes that's going to be a significant difference i just don't think somebody gets a free lunch at the expense of other people as well thank you wayne any other  i don't think anybody spend more time thinking about this project than i have clearly because i look at it every day and first we talk about the gym being torn down i don't know how those guys did that without the dust lot of noise but an unbelievable lee for a pretty professional job by those guys tearing down that gym and if you haven't seen it it was it's a pretty impressive thing the way that they did that so i was i went into that think and this is going to be a dusty nice but awesome job so far what let's be going on there this whole scoring thing you know from the get go i think the developer has been frustrated i think the city's been frustrated but you know what we have come around to what is a great project now we're talking about this any z the scoring that we have is is nebulous  best i don't know how we get to eight i can't get to six but in the spirit of compromise i do think to try and just continue to be is fair and honest and level headed with everybody i would be inclined to support and he but i'd be inclined to support one that was six years instead of eight by giving an eight year an easy were actually contributing we're asking the taxpayers to bail out one hundred twenty thousand dollars that we won't receive in our general fund and what do we get for that when we pass it any easier leon i think what we get is a guarantee that the developer is going to be able to do the project is we're a little further down the road with this one but i don't but i want to be i want to be as fair as possible i guess a nobody's thought about this more than i have and i do i will plan  a motion that we modify what's on the table from an eight year and easy to six year i think it's fair i think it's in the spirit of compromise and i just don't know life experiences have brought me to this kind of decision making and that's where i am right  thank you jay you're welcome any other comments a discussion and i'm here yes take my understanding of any disease from very high altitude approaches to encourage things to happen where they wouldn't normally ordinarily happen in terms of development and thinking back on some other applications of this bigger loss was a project that u tilized the sort of thing that we have in several other projects pending that are looking at that as well i can remember a number of years ago it was a while back as i thin robinson was a guy bent his ear about this about energy the idea of neighborhood enterprise zones where certain properties which that kind of outlived their usefulness could be  reinvented into new housing and using this as a tool to incentivize that and he was very gracious to listen to me and that's about as far as it went the idea is to create hope create an incentive to make things happen which will be a benefit in the long term to the community and i think this all falls within the parameter of those criteria the guess the sticking point is you know how long do we grant these for and it seems to me that trying to decide that is not so much a subjective process as it is a deductible one bigger loss was a huge project nobody really was it was kind of new for this community you know it was really sure how that was going to go or who was going to buy into it or if people actually would and so you know incentive like that was i think very critical in trying to get customers and buyers into that situation of the other projects that were looking at a similar situation exists as does this one  athers ten years a year six years i'm not completely sure what the right answer is there but i do believe that this is an instrument that could be used to for this project  thank you david brand something i will agree with david on much of what you said we've seen any zees work in a number of cities around michigan most notably close to us in grand rapids you see the number of residential properties in areas that spurred development and has resulted in a significant amount of growth in residential living in the city and while perhaps j street is not a challenging street on which to sell a single family home the fact still remains that most people don't consider holland as that destination for condo living or apartment living at least downtown or in the historic district my support for this any easier really extends into that we're looking for a very specific style of living in the city of holland that today does not exist in a very large scale at least in a neighborhood form that is not deeply subsidize for low income housing and i guess what i would like to see is this a long term evil i guess i have a long term idea on this that that we can see more of this happening and it doesn't have to be a renovation it can be a new  seen as is possible i personally want to see more of this living happening here i want to see people particularly the young professionals who currently work at some of our major design today i think if we want to spur that activity we need to motivate something we need a catalyst and i think this is the catalyst think eight years is appropriate i think it's shorter than many of the any z's that you see around other parts  parse the state and i think it's a smallish investment for what could be potentially a much larger investment from developers in the years to come thank you brian and the this is an awesome project it takes one hundred year old school building that many people in the area attended and want to honor and preserve you just can't hand that over to anybody we appreciate a developer from within the community who's willing to step forward and do the kind of job we'd really like to have done and how do you know as holland standards and it's not cheap or easy to redo one hundred year old school building no matter how many wonderful memories are there into a usable viable kind of space and but kind of spaces we need we need to have something else on our list of choices when you come to holland and you want to live near downtown it's a single family is wonderful and i'm thrilled about all the new lights that will are going to be viable that people can build new homes and be in this historic district right nestled next to it but they're always also right near downtown and we can also have condo living for people coming in one hundred  jobs at coastal automotive and the next year or two we just heard they're going to need to stay someplace they're going to be coming here to see what's going on they're going to ask about where can i live where i don't take care of a line i like to be near downtown are they going to go so that combination of of history and green and historic district is just very attractive to people and i think as a council we need to make it as attractive as possible say thank you to a developer that has gone through almost a year of conversations and meetings has scaled back a project  simply single family and kind of those that thirty two apartments but sixteen to eighteen condos and single family living no town houses so this is been a long journey and i think we have a arrived at a beautiful place and if we can with the passing of an eight year any easy say thank you and encourage that type of development i think we exactly what we're going to get and i think a six year compromise security z is a tremendous tremendous compromise everything that i've heard here about what we want to do is exactly what we're going to get and i'd say let's leave our gunpowder within easy stuff for areas in the town where we're going to have to really encourage somebody to do it as you said the historic district is a break great place to live it's got a green space it's a highly desirable place it's not in the middle of a field it's not somewhere we're going to have to build there's no other room around it so i would highly recommend a compromise save the taxpayers some money give the developer the benefit of the n a c but let's give the minimum that we may get a secure an easy in the spirit of compromise it did just as in me it just doesn't make any sense but that's fine mike rann i'm not going to be able to convince you but this is where my rationale is and i said a little bit upstairs jay had on a couple of points we feel we made the policy we made the flexibility in the policy and in this one where we've been in that policy our criteria says that you have anything five points and below no any easy the way things rack up four points i'm going to give the benefit of the doubt chris as chris has done some fantastic jobs around here  you know great reputation i'm trusting in the fact that understanding the cost of the ellie ellie the lead certification probably does not benefit at this point but i'm trusting the man in saying that he is doing everything possible to meet as much of the criteria as possible and just not go for the certification so i'm going to give him two points on that were up to the six to stretch it any further than that i'm i'm sorry the hundred twenty thousand dollars does make it big six years is going to put a sixty thousand in the hole we made the policy we knew the pitfalls we knew the shortcomings but to stretch it in every time we come up to one of these things were bending the rules i don't necessarily say right at this specific moment that i want to stick my sword around and say i'm sick of bending the rules but doggone it all we made the policy let's stick by the policy todd set up stairs we need to talk about this there are some there are certain certificates and things absolutely i want this on the the next study session that we can reasonably get this on in get this stuff done we talk in circles all the time the four developers out there don't know which way to turn unfortunately in this particular case a i truly believe it came a little bit late in the game that's another reason why i'm i'm sticking with the six years i think six years is the great compromise i have been one that always says and uses many tools as possible to get these things done but there is also some responsibility that we are physically to the city and if this compromise works gets the project done gets the things done for the residents that are going to be there and also has a minimal impact on the on the city i'm sorry not minimal less of an impact on the city then that's where the compromise goes in and i'm i'm fine with the six years and i do not convince your see the look on your face so i think if i may i just i i just find it hard to understand the  distinction when we you voted unanimously on another tax abatement literally minutes ago during this very meeting and it's just it's silly i mean it's just silly because it's so arbitrary people come to us with requests and if i don't know i just don't understand why we're why we're denying something and i just have not heard any rational justification aside from this is a policy we don't like but let's there is the difference rush you know is going to be rational is going to be in the eye of the holder or have to agree to disagree so i appreciate your comments from tad you have something well you know score the score that i think there's little debate as to whether the scoring criteria are subjective i think regardless of which side of the argument you're on you're right now that seems to be agreed upon for instance is it is it leed certified no it is not and based upon what i understand of lead certification not just through this particular application but more and more is it's a brand it's a trademark now and it's costly the spirit and intent with which that was put in is bigger than a brain in the question being can you prove that you're actually utilizing those methods of construction in alignment with the city's energy rules i could easily check that box in at points that are there the idea of does the project introduce new housing units in an area we say no because there was a house that was replaced right across the street because of an you know in essence because of a fire it's a built out area so to take this in just take that criteria on its face in withhold points makes little sense to me it's one of our denser areas it's one of our older areas it's the historic district for a little bit you're not going to have redevelopment opportunities each and every day there so of course you're not going to be able to just necessarily you know see these things happen we've seen buildings like this on the verge of sitting vacant way too long we've seen parcels like this on the verge of sitting way too long and that's why i can't in my head then get to point number five and say who gives a rip about five years if this council wants to sit and wait for the fifth year to come to check that box bad idea bad idea this council needs to get serious about keeping this city competitive with the continued outward migration from city centers not if indeed we're going to honor the the priority that this group sent in jan and that's why i'm willing my to look beyond what it says on the face today and take what appears to be a reasonable given take it t point because it's been a long arduous process and so i understand the logic behind six years i don't know where it comes from because if we're going to take it and just say it's not worthy then wh if we look past the face of them there's some logic and rationality that brings some justification i guess we're not nine computers it was all computerized we could just stick it in with policy and there we'd have our answer but somehow this city was set up with nine council members who are supposed to set policy but not be blind in dealing with policy and so i think that's where our discussion comes from and that we need to think today we need to think long term we need to think economic development we need to think what we want for the future of holland to offer what how we want housing to develop if we only want to do the same thing from now on or if we'd like to offer a variety of how do we do that and have one hundred year old building and make it viable for the future how do we encourage other developers to come forward and want to be a part in their hometown to do something good for the community i think we have to think of all of those things and the term leed certification i think was necessary when nobody understood what lead certification was so you had to get that good housekeeping seal of approval because we didn't really understand it but somehow holland done just the opposite now and everybody thinks in terms of life with lead certifications so it's no longer a label that you have to get from someone somewhere else and so we have to think bigger than each word in a policy that has as tight has said we don't really feel fits where we are today so any other comments from anybody could you please call the whole whiteman no yes peter's yes birch yes lynne yes whiteman yes here to bore yes that motion passes seven one thank you tim one street this is a fuzzy photo from a living actually i'd stopped i should do better than that now this is a little better of the development under way and also there's a lease agreement that we have for  you in this photo here shows the actual parking spaces and stripes but what you don't see are the twelve some buildings that will eventually be on this site that justified the brownfield redevelopment agreement as well as the neighborhood  ace on request tonight because buildings will have up to four storeys and i believe up to forty eight units when completed and that's what the an easy is a political tort so same scoring process is done by city staff and i believe that the scoring came up to eight points except for that lead certification question and there was a review done by  b that illustrated the savings in the plans that are being prepared of thirty six percent in terms of energy use and that's of course one of the key criteria with the community energy plan and so with  the recommendation reads it's recommended the council adopted resolution for a ten year neighborhood enterprise out for the west eighth street project thank you ryan and the discussion before a motion a motion same way as the washington school this project on eighth street is again one of those kind of catalyst opportunities a large scale projects a large number of of of units  lot of potential here and again it's a catalyst we have downtown housing we have it's a desirable place already but we're talking about a part of downtown that currently has  current development save this one at the moment and again it's it's proving that these things are possible that a large scale development can work downtown and that we're a city that wants to have more of these projects happen  so it's i think this is an exciting opportunity for city and and i'm really hoping chuck and doug is in the audience today that we see more of this happening as a result of of this effort yes mike i just want to say that both of these or both of these projects are extremely exciting and i'm happy to be part of their would be it's a small chris i hope you don't misunderstand the discussion earlier it was nothing about your project it was a philosophical difference and we're going to have that with every project that comes down we had it with baker we had it with scrap yard we had it with everyone that came down so need development brian thank you for your explanation the redevelopment that we have is new and fresh and different for this city and we have to bump or heads a little bit some of us may not be as enthusiastic some of us old codgers especially me a little bit more conservative in that regard to what holland used to be but still has a vision of what holland can  be it's a little tough to choke every once in a while but you know you've got to go with the good and bad so both of these projects i think are going to make the the i want to put this the west the western kind of end a little bit more exciting especially its street in and over the washington school so i'm putting the cart before the horse here i think this one's going to go with any problem congratulations to all of you  thank you for your investment the city and we hope that it doesn't stop here and we've got some other opportunities coming up just around the corner thank y it a little bumpy sometimes in our process one of the things i think this council is is trying to yell is that we're we want to valgerd well you know let's develop let's grow i think that's exciting i think you know on a  night like this to be able to have two projects in front of us there's councils that will sit for years without anybody in front of them ask them to build in the city i think that's something that's important for us to to scream and yell and say this is a place where if you want to come in and do a lot of hard work let's not kid ourselves all of you have done a lot of work and this isn't exactly a streamlined and it's a challenge a little bit on purpose so we can protect the interests of the people that we're representing but it's exciting to have this much going on for someone like myself who's on a little bit on the other side of that scale but be able to be a part of seeing what i mean my kids are going to experience hopefully  holland because of the work you're doing because of the work of this council so i'm excited so thank you thank you brain wayne i just like them because i think these are two really good projects but i think we also have to be sensitive to the fact that these are for a lot of people not going to be affordable places and having affordable housing is a real really huge problem for west michigan and everywhere and maybe we have to think about how we can help places like habitat for humanity or something else and give these people opportunities to get any z's or something like any z has to really help people who are really struggling these are going to there's going to be condo costs the people are going to pay each month in addition to rent most likely these are not going to be cheap places and i think we have to really look at the whole question of west michigan in this society where we have huge numbers of people who are living in poverty huge numbers of people who can't afford rent and just to focus on the top because i think i this is so exciting i believe of all the mass and scale of that entire black that we have all driven by and god what is going on there anyway that has been such a dribble of who knows what for as long as i've lived here and i thought i was somebodies gotta buy one of those buildings someday but when somebody bought all those buildings one day and i'm sure it wasn't in one day that that is real vision that is a real pioneering spirit and we needed a development of that scale to balance the municipal other side of the block and i know you understand that so to drop people from downtown it couldn't be just one nice store front it would have to be a whole mixed use of people living there and restaurants and whatever you can fit in to entertain them and a place to park and you know use thought of the whole nine yards for people and and the design is so sensitive to downtown and to everything we want to do the way we want to do it and that that is hometown care and quality and love  where you're giving of your talents to make your own place better for future generations and how we applied that legacy that you are working to leave for all of us and and chris as  well we just really appreciate all of you for what you've done and how you've been doing it and we can't wait to see the ribbon cutting for all these all these things is just it's just wonderful so tim could you please call the roll yes thank you so much so we're moving on then to gifts could you help us with what has been given to the city to him ind all we need are a few more papers write papers something i do a lot of ok here we go yes the city managers offices please report the following gifts parks and recreation recreation division sol perot's scholarship program recreation office and website anonymous donations thirty dollars parks and recreation hall and in bloom program various donations from tulip big event on june the fourth of five thousand two hundred sixty six dollars home board of public works of five hundred dollars various city hall expense reimbursements three hundred eighty seven dollars and ninety six cents for the senior managers office holla news connections program the carol l gunman revokable trust one hundred dollars it's recommended these donations be accepted with to invitations and it's one of the creation into dates there is a reception that is beginning to be get organized so i think it's going to be in september fourteenth related to the unity bridge project and it's going to be at five thirty p m i'd encourage them to get a little earlier so some of you can attend since that is a council meeting night anyway something for your calendar there's also been a detention to have a tour of the airport especially the the new facility there so shit the business center so i'm looking at the calendar looking at your meetings and thinking maybe wednesday september twenty eighth four o'clock might be a good time if anyone has a better idea that would work better we have to work on that and then you have an meeting that night later in which case he would return here for that study said the last thing is is your all invited to the end of year picnic for the holland youth connections program that is tomorrow at twelve noon at college park the gating a little bit before then if you wanted to have more time to visit and i just wanted to thank the sentinel for doing an article today on the program and add a little bit more detail than i had when i spoke with amy the total cost for the program hundred sixty thousand dollars and all that the city's share for the three work teams we hire is covered by the other employers and by donors there's a total of fifteen employers the city employed three of those teams so the city share is thirty thousand dollars for three teams one at the fire getting fire hydrants they did one hundred two this summer and also the chance to department doing various jobs in the parks department where they have a whole cadre of services that perform  under budget and the launch tomorrow i want to thank in advance jennifer o'con she's our ending poverty in turn this summer who organized it all and has a few surprises including for the youth who have had perfect attendance who worked with him great deal and we lastly want to thank escape ministries who knows where there are families in crisis and have helped make a difference there was a glitch this year in relation to summer school there is a conflict between the hours employers need to the youth and with the some students are needed in summer school so we hope to iron that out next year so there could be more participants as we hope to assuming you concur grow the an employment employers number of employers in the employment base it's possible this summer i haven't seen statistics you had on the summer youth and summer crime rates they appear to be as good or better i'll report on that september when i see all the stats wonderful thank you ron for communication from the mayor's office we have a couple of appointments  appointment of the hina jenkins the late and dan king to the international relations commission and the reappointment of victor of us go to the human relations commission and victor had served his first term to bring two thousand  also it is summertime and there we'll put up a slide for you for how to get a hold of us at the at city hall or to a particular council member you can find that all out at city of highland  com and they are going to be there's going to be one more movie come in those are and really well attended we had to move it to the park theater but thank goodness for the park theater the little commercial there for yes it was wonderful but we have one was awesome seeing all those families and friends and everything was it was just such a quintessential norman rockwell kind of night out there beautiful another thing that maybe not everyone knows about that the police department has been doing for quite a while is the citizen's police academy and that is for this fall again starting september twelfth through nov twenty one this is a wonderful opportunity to learn about law enforcement and how all of that functions we hear so many things on the news or whatever and hearsay and it's just great to really be informed on what is going on at pound police department and what kind of quality is serving the community so if you would like to do that there is no charge for that cademy it you just need to be seventeen years old and there's an and line application available for you if you'd like to attend that i have heard from many people that they so appreciated being a part of that training also our home energy retrofit program is going to be having an open house on tuesday aug twenty three that will be here at city hall in council chambers and you can find out more about that from the community and neighborhood services you can find learn all about the home energy retrofit program is and introduce tonight and you can be on the ground floor of launching that and there's one other slide but i thought maybe somebody would want to talk about that all that one yeah you have something to say i do ok take it away shameless commercial time perfect since this is the last business meeting that we have before labor day since we are off in the thirty first which happens to be the fifth forget that labor day truck freight company have i just got notification the say afternoon just before the meeting that we now have sixty trucks that will be coming through zealand down through holland and ending up at the civic center sixty trucks making the noise so come on down there be ice cream we are starting at nine fifteen out of herman  down through zealand along chicago the old chicago drive into town we should be at the civic center probably ten ish takes of takes a few minutes for the trucks to get down there because they have to follow the speed limits and everything but it's just some of the trucks that we have and it is a fantastic opportunity to say thank you to our sponsors to the companies that are around here in this year's me employing  people the where's the projects the products that come out here are just absolutely phenomenal and it's so fantastic to be able to celebrate these these businesses to be able to get all these guys together even though some of our competitors  when they get together it's just it's a fantastic time it really is in the spit shine that these guys put into these vehicles is just second to none so i encourage everybody you know help the mayor out here but i know she's looking for me to do this there's two things to do on labor day the first thing being is we have the boardwalk that starts at eight o'clock starts at the height at the far end of the boardwalk over by heinz you can walk along the water walk past the civic center we will be there yet you'll see some activity going there to set up for the truck parade but you walk down walk the rest of the way to the windmill island and you can have a breakfast i imagine g s going to be flipping pancakes again ok mr peters will be there guaranteed flip and flip and pancakes and then when you're done you've got your belly full of pancakes you can walk back up you can drive back up or whatever hit eighth street about that time you're going to hear the noise coming down for the truck parade and not only that but we have ice cream we have ice cream at the civic center so you have your pancakes for breakfast you have your ice cream for dessert you're all set for the rest of the day so labor day starting in a big eight o'clock for the boardwalk in pancake breakfast nine fifteen we start with the truck parade should be at the civic center around i'm going to say right around ten o'clock maybe a maybe quarter to so line up eighth street come on down celebrate the employers that we have in the area and that the gleam in the the the trucks aren't the only thing that shines the smiles of the drivers is just second to none so i hope to see a lot of people out there we've had a lot of successful years and looking forward to it great thank you mike thought you might describe but it's so amazing so thank you and all sincerity thank you david any other comments from council members yeah well i guess that leads us to one other item