but i nevertheless wish to introduce my colleagues clarke our vice chair will be here momentarily and rafi we have t don't we have one two substantive items on the agenda this evening the first is a continuation of this discussion that we began several months ago on waverly square  we have a short power point presentation with which to began i'll be kicking it off and then we'll be picking up the two of us discussion we had several months ago i haven't kept or we won't be reviewing each and every one but there were a number of topics on which we had four or five comments and those will be the ones that i just run run through briefly so that everyone remembers where we were i also since we are planning board who were part of the larger than life community i want to take just a moment to remind people of where we are in terms of interesting older buildings and indeed someone pointing out that it regionally it was a village with its very own see how another point made was it's a transportation  maintaining the commuter rail stations is very important to belmont and it feels as if the problem has done away with the problem hasn't gone away we've only had it can your reprieve and it's remarkable how quickly that can go on and finally again there was a concern that whatever we do there shouldn't be too much so if people could just kind of this and asking obviously only for those who were there does that sound roughly consistent with what you've heard all right so i want to put that together with a set of two slides that you might not always see in a planning board meeting but are certainly part of what all of us have to be thinking about as residents sign yes there is a capital projects committed major capital projects committee which anne marie mahoney the chair is here with us this evening thank you for coming major capital projects that are still very much in the planning stage there is no desire at all on the part of the planning board to usurp the financial function but these are i believe some of the current best estimates for these big projects at least they're order of magnitude and i think what we know about them is they won't go down when these projects come to fruition they will not cost less than that would be looking at some very very substantial tax increases and those would be the increases for there is any discussion of an operating profit this is these are just capital projects and these are conversation involved capital projects in the logjam that we've had has been one the number of members here of community at large those at home have been talking about and thinking about quite a bit but the logjam persists and it hit me that one thing that to liz what if we were to think about a leaseback situation with one of the property owners and the way we square solve pleasantry car with that be something that's possible for us to contemplate and what would be some of the key things that we would need to do who are some of the the gatekeepers that would talk to you and so will begin at that time in the period of from january to march was to think about you know let's reach out to one of the selectmen that's reach out to the treasurer let's reach out to the capital budget committee let's talk to the developers and see whether or not there was some interest and we started to get some favorable review back from all those entities and then at the end of town meeting this year what happened was i had an opportunity to present to the capital budget in the master capital planning work group the idea and that was the first open conversation that we had and it was time that we come out to the community and begin to have this conversation and have the people at home and perhaps even the developers engage with the town of belmont to think through this idea and thinking how we can reach forward and be able to contemplate this summit is workable for and go ahead into the next life and so what we did was take a look at the property that we all know was the car wash in waverly square and that would be a focal point for us to consider a barnes and noble type structure that had some kind of housing attached so synthesized all the different conversations that had been taking place since january to kind of bring it together and give some opportunity for us to think about whether or not this is something we can reach my thinking was also that this would not be a burden on the taxpayer this would be something that we would be truly in a partnership between the community the public and a private entity and then we would be able to go ahead and get some of our needs met but what was having policy with architects give some renderings just to kick off the conversation so this is what's in vision here so public structure there that would have the library element there in the front if you can picture where the car washes in this is as you crossing though where the municipal parking lot is towards where the car wash is now that's where the library structure would be and behind it would be attach some excuse housing about forty units and that was what we did for the initial model makes this gives you it the view from the west looking over the project and you get a sense of how that fits in within the community one of the things that we do in the planning board is seek to get some cont please and so that gives you the closest visual of what the library project would look  you stand the attraction a building that is built by a private developer that the town lease and some library combined with for the first part of the discussion and with everyone who has an interest every resident who has an interest in this we thought that this met most of the banks raised in the discussion a library is not that hard is over we tried the experiment of working with the developer who did not have much concluded that experiment we're not working with the developer who has huge financial reese you probably you're going to abide by open meeting laws you can't have the meeting you can't have the discussion within the board before you have the  hypotheticals an aspirational goals but it certainly is it's really progress you know whether there ends up being a project like this or something different in the way really square area i think really advances the to and and you know i would i guess i would the floor is open i would as and wearing the pony as chair of the cap major capital projects committee and the capital she wishes to  seem concerned about what's just been discussed is it doesn't seem quite accurate to say it would not be a financial burden on the town it would not be he would like a project  to be some significant amount of money each year which i would guess would be on the order of one to two million dollars which is money which is not in the budget now and would require an override over the going to be able to handle out on the cape i think we we can talk about all of them but rather than cause i i i will come back with we have another two months to talk about this and we have modeled this out fairly carefully so that we're certain where it seems likely it will work financially but it's great to get these points out and we'll be very grateful for your scrutiny of our finance if i could go this mike but i mean these are exactly the right questions we've got to answer all these questions  perhaps not every but most meetings real early so let me just say something about the economics of this a topic that for those who  the debt exclusion to the operating budget there wouldn't be much of a bargain there there are a couple things that make the finance work work one is that as we've as we modeled there the planning board uses its maximum special permit authority to allow more senior housing on the site that is one big piece of making it and the second big piece of making this work is that this is a private building it's built by a private developer it is not subject to state regulations in terms of how you use your sub contractors and so on and so there is a significant savings in capital cost by getting a good developer  depending on the state level of senior housing we can take this down to the cost to the taxpayer and this is without any redesign of the lot just taking the library redesigning the building be obviously because it has to fit on a different site we can take the cost down to twenty to twenty five percent of what the new library would and that is without assuming any private giving any state aid and  we haven't explicitly model private giving and it is likely that state aid wouldn't be available but there are some uncertainties and some requirements they come with state aid for libraries and i think what we both rafi and i in different spheres have some experience with raising private money and i think it is likely that private money people the private money can be raised but the financial but the let's see if this is in rick let's see if this is realistic financials that we put together do not assume any state aid or any private giving so with that again i thank you for coming i hope the next time we discuss it you encourage more people to come we will get the materials on line and that i would like to move on to i complete with the public hearing on three forty four pleasant street design and site plan review retail building greater than twenty five hundred square feet local business district three back we'll we'll give you a second to move out when we ask you to move out quickly fiasco to read the public hearing the public notice notice is here by given the dhamma planning board will hold a public hearing on tuesday july eleventh twenty seventeen at seven pm in the board of selectmen meeting room and associated parking at three forty four a pleasant street located in a local business three zone in distr donuts that was denied so we're here for a site plan review with regard to the construction of the building so what will we are proposing is the demolition  existing structure the existing structure there's a non conforming building it is only four feet from the rear lot one after meeting with jeff and his staff  e original plan was to renovate the existing structure on the property but after consultation with jaffe and others we were urged to think outside the box building closer to pleasant street so the rear of the building now will be located fifty seven feet from the rear lot and we think that that is a significant improvement for the two primary residential bottoms the other significant aspect of the the project is the the the flow that will occur with the development currently there exist three cuts there is two currently on closing street and one large one on one right street we are going to eliminate one of the curb cuts on pleasant street and relocate the curb cut one bright street further south away from the intersection and reduce the size from sixty five feet property we are proposing creating twenty one parking spaces if he uses purely retail bylaw would require fourteen site is being monitored by the environmental protection it is under remediation it's in stage four and there is monitoring of quitman located on the site  equipment there's no definite time period when the remediation will stop and be given a clean bill of how the our best estimate that we've been told approximately a year the equipment that is used to monitor the environmental situation is going to take up one parking space during that time period  are l s p has indicated that the location of the monitoring equipment can be relocated within the study and after our may ninth meeting with the neighbors eight foot fence the neighbors have indicated that they desire to keep that the foot fence we're committed to keeping that a foot fence we've also built in a five foot offer where the  specifications for the lighting that we're proposing sensually gooseneck lighting and scarfs is forty five watts and sixty five watts along the property the money will not interfere with approved by jeff and are fixed upon our new construction the storm water will be lessened from what is presently existing because of the reduction in  property that we feel that it is a significant improvement to what is currently there this is one of the gateways to don't want to leave your family on several properties within the and so i stand in terms of the town departments yeah i mean just to follow up on that jeffrey or if they are going to the attorney for the other kid may know the answer to this with a deep involvement what still the lifespan of that involvement in the ongoing monitoring will that be five years please again come to the microphone and introduce yourself could you go through all of your questions and then i'll ask the applicant to respond to all of it was that if you have additional questions project we're here for the use permit we are here simply to develop the site we provided as part of our tiriel a traffic study and we made some assumptions based upon potential uses we put it in coffee shop because that was proposed before that time there was no intent to bypass what those on board has done my client is following the proper procedures we are by these exercises whatever rights he may have so there is no attempt to undermine what has been done but this is going work in this application we're here to interesting building it's really an improvement on what the neighborhood first of all i don't want to get back to using too much but if i could just test the apple could have you ever developed any other multi t the building it's sort of i don't mind with everything else on the street because the tree on the street if it was in letters street it would be absolutely perfect in line with every day every everybody else so whether that's a good thing or building with a dentist that's called in to they get the parking in front so that's an issue the other the unintended consequence of that it you know you've taken a building that's in bad shape that abuts the residential and back but actually in some ways acts as a buffer for traffic for the residential back where they realize that or not by moving the building up like this over third you've got your traffic flowing rate down flowing read the side the residential in back of you so they'll have traffic lights even though there is a fence so they will actually in athens have more traffic immediately of bugging them in board noise the bugging become more familiar with it because you've created a new a new situation where you have a thirty five hundred square foot building and you get the parking and so a lot more water will be coursing through that storm water system and touching upon the soil that was just recently with that i have i have no i have no comments to add other then to observe that the in the end the planning board goes to town meeting with articles that it believes is in the town's interests and once town meeting votes we take those votes extremely seriously so i'm glad to hear that you intend to comply fully with the by law because we have just finished voting it was overwhelmingly approved by town meeting i can't imagine not trying to make it work you know our application was before the s issues in so far is you can provide them this evening we understand there may be some additional material that you need to provide to respond fully to the question in ra i i think one of the major concerns in the questions was that the base of a gas station not in operation was an inappropriate starting point for level of current traffic and i think you heard that several times that the base was hard from which you began measuring it was artificially depressed by the closure of that me be sure i that if i understand what you just said i think the here's the question as a baseline you could have used one of two things you could have used existing tram and if you use existing traffic that's a concern because a gas station that isn't open isn't generating any traffic the other alternative which perhaps you just said was no there are some standard numbers on how much traffic a gas station generates and we plug those numbers into the analysis he's ok we have a site ok we have a site pleasant street all right we have traffic that's what we have traffic that's going along the site right it's going along with the road i think you number says twenty two thousand cars a day right i don't know what it's all about point out but there are cars going by there then the cars will turn off to the businesses that story ok a business like this is capturing the traffic that's going by right i not generating traffic per se right ok so what happens then is when you look at the traffic that's being generated by a different use you're taking a look at either the increase in the average daily it's even though it's not all rich right he's he's saying that it had if it has what given the traffic there if here is a gas station there they use the model for how much the gas station will generate in traffic and then they look at the difference between what that would generate and what the hypothetical other retail use would generate they look at the difference between the two of them and then that is the increase of the decrease that's what you have three potential retail spaces here which will require some employees and i wonder if you've given any thought since you know this is a huge number of parking spaces to start with where  and i'm the my main point about parking and that we should talk about how we intend this far away is that yes as barbara said we spent some time last night talking about parking the recline the parking requirements for a restaurant gift for you given as you said in time you meet up you easily meet the parking requirements if this is standard retail but the requirements for restaurants are not one parking space for every two seats so if for example you had a thirty seat a restaurant or other food establishment in there you would not be meeting the parking requirements i would not be for the rest of the board but i would say going through a process and getting site plan review for this is a brief inside baseball discussion and scheduling everyone bear with us for a moment where we try to figure out whether we can do anything other than the days or whether it should really be devoted we'll be right back you just stay where you are is going to be reintroduced and my thought is that perhaps early in sept since it is going to be reintroduced this time it would be better to be a little ahead of the movement through committee because this would this would have a major impact on belmont if it is resubmitted in anything like its original form and if it's being submitted in some different form we want to understand that as well people so the idea would be put it on the agenda for for our probably our second meeting in september yeah i would work with the two from that though initial meeting i remember specifically with representative rogers we raise and pose a number of questions at that time if we could do a look back to see if we did get those questions and whether or not we can submit them or parking i don't so that when we get to the first of august i returned the letter seventy five lettered street case we have some framework within  which to think about i think it would also be good to be asked for a great deal of additional data i think on the eighteenth we are to have as much of that as we can and do an inventory of what we've got plan and we could certainly continue the waverley square discussion anybody anything else th