wonder if it should be flack that something along the lines of the select board concurred with the restriction agreement or had no objections to it just there were no objections if not it was a favor of approving the minutes of october third twenty so in teensy i try and there are no opponents so we had three votes just so we legally do that this is the time on the agenda any further public on if not then we'll go on to the board applications of interviews and so it's like we have four people who've interviewed and i like do the two for the development you know now that i'm retired can't be in the fire department because of being on the family trust i figured i might get back to town since i've always been given back to the time and there seemed to be a because apparently it was opening so i said bye i'll do it and in my experiences basically i spent seven or eight years on the ball to apartment made most of the calls back to seem to be a good time in my life to start giving back to the community that's been something that i've enjoyed living in for the last five years has me five years my background is not with any of the worlds and development review board activities but it is as an insurance accountant so i seem to have a niche for enjoying rules and regulations and being able to dive into the details of different situations like pushing for from the board well my first my overall thank you both for your interest i am particularly interested you've already only because you're bringing both people that matter but you're bringing absolutely no experience into it which is to me for a really cool thing and it gives you a chance to eyes and something so i really appreciate that how are you going to get yourself up to speed in that well it seems to be a pretty big world opened up the documents and started reading the three hundred twenty three pages was a good time reading it you know honestly i think as i heard you mentioned earlier it takes time and i think observing is definitely one of the key ways to get up to speed on that and obviously doing independent research i am pretty resourceful i don't mind asking questions and and really just kind of diving in that direction self directed so i think for experience through time  speed in twenty years i was lucky i solved most of the problems that i was presented with in fact one of the systems i developed for our federal government backed still running  my question is along the lines of do you understand trying to explore do you understand the you know what your role will be on the d r b the concept of interpretating the the by laws and applying them to specific applications that come in and and in particular sometimes the conflicts that can maybe arise out of that by complex i mean somebody who wants to do something that's maybe different than what the bylaws will allow maybe for instance at an example you sometimes hear is a national company that wants to come in and use their national you know i don't know what were these but they're kind of like logo their image but yet that's in conflict with how our bylaws are written and i just want to gain person you know understand how you would handle those types of situations where you going to propose all that you have questions about whether it is in compliance with the bylaws or you know maybe you've drawn the conclusion down right isn't but you may actually disagree with your fellow board member feel like you know there is there's always a balance so is needing to be struck in the situations and the violence obviously ours are the hard fast rules that we're we're looking at and using as our guidelines but i do believe that  there may be situations where it would be in our best interest to accept if it ended up being whether they would choose to come to wilson or not i would certainly lean heavily on members of the board that you have more experience until i've had more of those situations but like i said i think you do the research you ask the right questions and really see what the whole picture is thank you well the first thing is depending on this panel is what makes the final decision i mean we can make a recommendation we can sit there say gee this is the greatest thing since sliced bread but here's the rules they have to be considered development and the development appears to buy only the byelaws and we're baber of it it still has to be presented up here same as it is it's there's negatives because something has to be addressed  then my my other question is i want to make sure but let me preface it by saying i think the d r p is one of the if not the toughest job in town at least in terms of a volunteer committee both in terms of having to deal with it so i just want to hear from both of you that you're willing to go forward and you you have a good on not a good but you're comfortable with that i don't think i'm an make a lot of your friends ok yeah i mean i understand that it actually before i answer that question could you tell me other than obviously the bi monthly meeting you know you mention the time commitment what do you envision the time commitment oh first you have to do the forty hours are detailed reports that you'll be getting and part of the difficulty i see not the difficulty maybe the time commitment the time berner part of it is going into those who ports that are prepared by staff and there are great reports but you've got to really dive into it to make sure you understand and over time i soon the commitment gets left but still just to get through a hole with ports going to take a while and then you're dealing with multiples of these during an evening so that's i think what i mean by the time commitment some are tired other than farming the only time i would be a stretch for time is during hay season but other than  a week i still read the washington post the new york times like i said i basically was an information sponge when i was in the government and still doing it so in that you sit there and say that but making friends id we mutually agree that it's a good fit ok thank you both for the questions thank you very much we expect to make a decision later on tonight so thank you for going to roll call  even know there was a committee so i was intrigued and constantly volunteering for things i have two kids my daughter's at seaview and my son is now at the middle school at wilson central and he has asked me to just right next door so for the past five years we've been using the lake for kayaking and the beach in the summer i run and at least two or three times a week i run e mails when when there is an alert don't go in the water asked every year to try to donate some money to through that cause to try to eradicate the problem so that would be some of the things well my question was going to be along the lines of you know what the responsibilities of the district district members at the correct term and  are explained your love for laker aquatic which is great i was trying to get at what would you bring as as a board member in terms of you know those skills that would would would help the is i could bring anything i have children i could help plan things i don't know if it's planning or beach i am unsure but i have plenty of time pieces that will be budgeted a piece of it and record books year to help with explaining what it does a piece of it would be the coordination that needs to happen between the three three or four four it's more in this apologies that jointly are part of the district i don't hear much so it tells me there's not a lot of conflict a lot of problems but i'm sure there's there's plenty of coordination that needs to happen i know there's some rotating responsibilities between the town so those are the type things i think you would you would be tapped to provide input right and then reporting back to this group or reporting back to nobody i think it would be ultimately you yes you would report back to the board on how you do that this can be by email or you know once you're meeting there is a we actually have a guide that's available to people who serve on regional boards and this is considered kind of a regional board since a small tight town group and that five years ago when we moved to our current house that trails in the back we we got lost many times and i think we went to the town to bear taxes or something asked about is there a day where people come  in i'm always over there so eric and i ask how old how does your son he's rejecting your presence just turned eleven and it was last at the end of fourth grade last year i used to do once a week in his class since kindergarten up until last year and there was a field trip and then the field trip and the piece was doing their bicycle you know and the now because they're obviously on their own and we've had other family issues with like elderly parents and that's kind of a died down so i do a lot of volunteer stuff but most i work part time for the years and you know i chat with these people and i look at their cards and get all the information and you know just when i saw there was a vacancy i thought that might be something i could do it does interest me how assessments are done and i like learning how systems are developed or have been developed and how they work so it's just to me very interesting there's a lot of math and vault and going from the assessments to the tax rates and you know i i have a big learning curve but it just it interests me enough that i will do that and i guess i my other part time job is i sub at the school so i feel like i'm kind of connected to the community and this is just one more way to be connected and i think my family would like me to be doing it's not just thinking about it oh yeah i don't know if that's enough information  you know it's a difficult position simply because of the concept of you're generating the assessed value of a piece of property that the town's interest is that it be fairly assessed so the appropriate taxes will be raised from it the homeowners interest is that that assessment be as low as possible even though it thus has no reflection on the sell price where they ever to go to sell it so there's a natural conflict there and so may question really i have no doubt you'll be able to pick up the computer skills needed the software that you use the the right approach when you're dealing with folks over we need to do assessment we need to change your assessment we need to check that addition you added whatever interaction you have but i guess so i guess my question is really focused on the concept of the potential for and when you use the word conflict that may not be the best  of grievance of but also just you know folks who can be frustrated when they learned that you know the taxes are going their assessed value is going up thus their taxes will be going up  quiet patient listener so i think that would help and i understand that there could be conflict that way and then the other piece is there's just i'm sure at times there's just they're understand there isn't that much work now it's sounds like it's summer time where you have the grievance process and other issues and then born after the next and so i think that will learning curve from now till when that gets busy i is the american community survey but in that process of conducting the survey which is done most people don't realize it's not a descending el survey anymore it's done every month in every state you know just random selection of households so if there's nobody at that house then i have to work with a lister usually to figure out what is it vacant is it for sale is you know what's what's i'm sorry this is more my work related question the set nothing to do with the relationship between the u s census and the american communities sense what does it survey that is the same i mean the census does a lot of surveys differently we got like an eighty percent response rate because we get out there we have to knock on doors and these surveys are like thirty minutes long so my husband always says i'm so amazed you get people to cooperate but most people are really nice and really understand and that's what i find that the people who are you know not cooperative are fewer and farther between and and can be convinced often it may take the second interaction when they realize i really should do this you know you can i can fall back on things like well it's mandatory or you know you've got to do it for your community and i have a lot of you know things i can say and that's what i probably would bring to the board too is just to me how people understand the purpose and not trying to screw people over great thank you for the overhead of the story if i'm ready to go i'm sure you're aware this is an elected position and if you're appointed to it you'd be if you wish to run for reelection or being run for re election in march so is there an opening now o whatever fits the lister schedule as well but you very much so we're at the point were appointments are in order i'd ask you to hold off on the lister appointment until last because we do have two candidates for that position the others have sort of eliminated themselves from a couple of his issues that they wish to treatment applied for so we're done i think to eight people eight for a physician's at this review board for term ending june thirtieth twenty nineteen who took point james thorton to the historic an architectural advisory committee for term and in june thirtieth twenty nineteen who took place there francisco the lake eyre recreation district for term ending june of people that could to conserve on the social service committee because my question was going to be along the lines of we could appoint her to the social service scholarship committee as well as a list of yes and we know that she'd be ok with being this property management and want her and i think if she told us she'd been in town for i think five or six years since two thousand and one my notes one i really liked cindy and i think i don't know something struck me about her attitude i wrote in mine my take these cryptic notes sort of discussion on emotion i really don't i i really don't like being in this position we have two candidates i think both are good but we got to choose one and  but one of our newer members ok you probably remember last year my presentation was shortly after the olympics and i talked about the gold me kennedy said we must we must find time to stop and think the people who make a difference in our lives and that is what i would like to do today the d m l board would like to thank the select board hanna jurek choir who supported the additional hours for a staff member to become full time and the wilston voters who approved the budget that allowed that change to occur williston continues to grow and those new to the community quickly realize 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continuing with what the projects we've that going on we're still working on the space reconfiguration project so we have the same amount we've had in the last few years set aside for that the idea was to you know go at this with as level of approach as possible we still have probably another couple to three years left on that project i say probably closer to three we haven't started with the adult reading room yet and while we have done some work in the youth reading room not as much as what we have planned in total so we're probably looking at at had a really nice turnout for they are a half or two hours or so of the charter challenge getting people signed up for a library card skiing materials out giving people a chance to look through it so that was really nice  e visits had started back up again as of this month to the day cares we're working on shifting schedules so that we can best meet the needs of the teachers in those preschools every year they have to do this sort of reshuffle with all of the different outside organizations organizations and so sometimes it happens that only so and so can come to our usual time and so we have to shift our time that's working out really well doing a lot of  classroom support a lot of probably three of the four different daycares that we visit do preschool teaching it's not just child care so we're pulling in extra support materials for their curriculum  what is needed you know what the person is a preschool might be looking for it's all being done by sara hitler who is our youth services assistant she's part time and she has at least three hours a week dedicated to just the preschools and their bookmobile service so she spends time with them by e mail by telephone making arrangements to see what it is that they need for the next visit talking to them about what they have is ongoing projects or if there's some conservation area management and we have nick one of the executive director of the valley park district with us tonight to talk a little bit about thirty mold that he  with him once to present the idea we're also meeting again tomorrow morning so but i just really wanted to put this out there and have this discussion and i do have my board's authorization to have the discussion we've not made any you know formal action but it's actually at a board meeting earlier tonight so if i seem a little fatigued that's a very good two hours of meetings but obviously i've been before you guys over the last few years  and you know we've had close involvement and great support from the town of wells for a lot of years and we've over the last several years since i've been on board i started in two thousand and fourteen we've had a lot of just good discussions about our relationships with towns and each town has its own d n a and its own issues and you know to be to be blunt we manage eight acres of land in the town of wilson and that's been an issue in terms  of what kind of value we're bringing to the town and i don't disagree that that should be a concern of the town he was the counterargument that we've always made us were running a regional park district which in with all of our propert available to the public at no charge that's a valid argument but i also have felt from beginning in this position that we should play a larger role within the town of wilson and i felt  that i just would be proactive and have had numerous conversations with your great environmental planner melinda scott about this and also met with reckon let him know that i was going be making this pitch and you know i want to change the narrative is the main goal we serve you guys and currently i think you have this spectacular collection of properties  town has accumulated over time and as jeff knows i actually staff to the conservation work that you served on it back in the ninety's and was around helping to work with the mckays on the donation of an easement to get you know five tree hoping going and there's been a lot of history with us working with you to develop parks including some recent history with alan broken mud pond so my first goal with the town was to to really build the relationship and begin to understand the story behind the story behind the story and there's a number of things i think first of all the town very rarely will let once have control over its assets and at a very interesting conversation with mike harris as they when he was on his way out from conservation board he was on the board back when jeff was there and his big issue is we want to make sure we control our assets we will make sure that if we need to slice and dice to accommodate to development or if we need to put an easement across a property or if we need to have flexibility in management that if we pass the keys to an entity like the park district that we're going to lose that control i got that there's also concerns i think it reckon i've had some great discussions about how we're funded and our funding formula which takes population and equalize grand west and does a calculation based on on that allocate costs across towns i understand that my board is really wrestled with looking at alternatives around that and i plan to come back to this board have another discussion about that but as i hate my approach these things as if i landed on earth yesterday and looked at the situation would i think of my thought was the parks you have under management and ownership and the reason i wanted to pitch my pond and there's a cabinet to that too was it's high value from a conservation standpoint there's zero chance of it going to development it's very fragile ecologically has a significant public access opportunities educational opportunities and it's going to parking problem that's associated with the country park and so i felt ok if we came in and work with you on that parcel we could invest capital in time into solving the parking problem we could do a good job of managing the park we could market it we could do educational programs all the values that we bring to our other  assets and you know melinda didn't think it was a bad idea to be clear she's i'm not asking her to support or not support it subsequent to the conversation just couple days ago she mentioned the jacob parcel so i'm going to amend this entire conversation to say that that's also a parcel that potentially the park district could work with the town on and i know it's on the agenda tonight you guys don't own it yet but she you know they the point that and this is actually a point that gary hawley made during conservation board is that could be a soup to nuts conversion of a parcel that is not developed as a park where we could come in and use our resources and knowledge and abilities to to bring it to bear as as being a public resource now ownership is an issue for us but you need to understand you know i obsess over these things i've been through all the paperwork for every park we own we have reversionary clauses of some kind and every single part that we own either is through atlanta water conservation fund or p h c the land trust whereas if we fail to manage properly if we go belly up if we try to turn into an a t v park i'm being facetious here the land reverts back to either the original grant to war or it's given to a different organization that could properly manage so any pitch that i make to you i make with the strong assertion that we would want to have a strong reversionary clause in any transfers such that the town could say you know we don't like the way you're managing the park and we're going to take it back from you and that is that is what's held over ahead with the other parts that we own and i think it's actually brings a lot of power to us because it it makes a steward so i really felt strongly that i wanted to be proactive with this idea and so i pitched to my board and they've been supportive of this reader can be here tonight so  i can't speak for her but if you know if the first step really is the conservation board there where this we're going to have further conversations tomorrow at some point in the next couple few months we'll probably get a recommendation up or down from them i think they're intrigued by it i think they're intrigued by the whole concept of just changing the narrative about our relationship with you guys because in my mind we work for you we should be managing more land control issue i think it be solved with a reversionary clause the management issue you have direct accountability with a trustee on our board i feel like there could be a relationship built around one of these parks throne or shipping management that could just change substantially the relationship between the town and the park district couple if you don't mind yes first one is actually asked rick has melinda at all provided any feedback the feedback of course would be through the conservation commission and they really haven't had a chance to just my question was is it is just i say just please don't read anything in no that's ok but part of country park i'm here tonight it might be the jake a property assuming i assume we're going to move ahead with the jacob property is or is there would it make sense for it to be extinct and expanded to the mud pond i'm sorry it's only about the mud pond conce conservation area yes correct would it make sense to expand it to the country park also given that there's the connection between the two the parking being one of the connection and the other being  you know people who walk at that sorry the conservation area may end up also using that country park you know potentially we don't manage any areas that have mountain biking and that's that's a that would be frankly from a practical day to day management standpoint a big departure for us ok but you know to me it's about establishing a relationship of like a possibility so if that came up as a need for the town and there was a way for us to viably manage it i think my board would consider it ok as i was thinking this through a little bit i do remember riding my mountain bike from over by the park the  right so that's not you guys right weed but you know it's the country park is a destination mountain biking facility and it's pretty substantial so you know it would i would be comfortable taking on you know  i presume they have involvement in contracts and i don't pretend to know how those work or where the resources come from but you know we're in the business of it we have the a very prescribed way of looking at we know are going to be locked up and conservation over the long term so that you know those two things would be looked at on page three and i guess my big question is and  you actually touched on it a little bit and in your introductory comments were what i wrote down here is invest capital and in the parking area correct and and my question really is i was reading through what it is the park district would do or do for willis and if you well it talked about capital it didn't talk about what financial resources that district might bring to the management of the park we have capital reserves that are in the neighborhood of about two hundred twenty some one thousand dollars right now and  could be really taking advantage of us and a good way i mean we are insured under the same entity as the tao we're we're municipalities so the ability to enter into a number and of agreement and and those kinds of relationships is really easy us so that we would literally you know be interested in but if we took this on i think we would want to have some kind of emma way up front that saying that the park district shall do a b and c and one of those things i would propose and i tell my board about this is that we would invest this specific amount of capital into into the parking and help to help solve the problem for both parks that share parking area ok then the other thing i had a question about was it's on their boat at number three develop a long range management plan for the park my first thought is i'm pretty sure we've we've already done it doesn't mean it should be updated or something but i have one for the country park but there's not one for the conservation area it's an ok andy you have looked through the stuff pretty carefully and it's under all the b c f so it is it does have some level of protection but what we would do is a deeper dive in think what i'd like to do is tell you sort of my sort of opinion or what this is maybe hinge ing on is what i what i don't know yet is what is it that this agreement would how would how would bet willesden benefit from it versus what it is staff is already able to do whether it be the conservation commission the conservation commission with melinda if it starts to be if i whatever conservation goals end up coming out or maybe that management plan now which i hope includes folks understanding how i i don't know if i remember correctly m a people yes thank you um you know the sort of things on this then you start to pique my interest it is really we placing something the town is already doing and it isn't really going to bring us that much benefit then you know i'm really starting to lose interest which i hope makes sense so i don't know if that's at all something you can talk about tonight or something we more have to figure out well i think but i think you're reading right at the cusp of that which is it we already we have an existing relationship you were a member of the district which i feel you've not been able to take full advantage of by actually having our services within your town and it's more extensive level  so we get official sees through how we operate because we have all member towns we have a full time staff of three doing work that i frankly should be done by more people and we're able to use those things that those are our presence in our brand to attract a of volunteer labor to help us out into attract grant capital and we're not a membership organization so we don't compete with our partners which include from audubon and nature conservancy and fealty and so forth so you get if i'm looking at from your perspective is two ways you can look at it and say well the part to start is you know throwing hill mary in it and it you know a little bit of a political situation here that's one and the way i look at it is it's more you guys telling us you should be taking more responsibility for doing what you do best i don't think you lose any control because the calmness of the reversionary clause having a trustee in our board really gives you direct control over us and over the property so if we fail to do it we're supposed to do you can tell us to take a hike and take the property back we can't however invest time and money into properties that we don't have site control over because in fairness to the whole system that makes it creates problems elsewhere so i tried to walk a mile in your shoes in this situation i thought ok well either this relationship is going to fall apart potentially or we can  by us doing what we do best and i would argue respectfully that melinda could use a whole lot more resources to make it in her land and she told me straight out of love to have more help to any people to help me maintain my trails build new trails are already have a relationship with us here already financially supporting us it's what we do i looked at that situation i thought i should just go tell him you give us some of these parks you can take a back you know like our work we're going to do a great job maintaining it you could talk to the other towns in our district and how we work and it'll be the reason i chose mud pond it's not because that's the only part that to work because that seemed to be the most ecologically sensitive and the one that needed that has parking issues so we can invest capital and i just felt you know from your perspective that it might be an option that you should seriously look at talk a little bit so you and i'm sorry i might have missed this in your in deed it's some kind of impute legal impression on that on the deed of the land that it has to stand public outdoor recreation impact at less he transferred that value to a different property which just about never happens  so no agriculture no ball fields no housing no town buildings like and unless it unless it supports you you put a shed in that can support the trail system or something it's very it's a very common thing you know the next level would can call chester pond view sheds for property owners where if we don't keep the heads down the property owners can take the land back oh yeah i mean it's and there's a lot of you know unique things but basically every piece of property we own has some kind of  conservation area but is used primarily by folks accessing the country park that's you know that i think it could be it it will be management do it we'd have to figure out the management of it  new park we're developing behind a very commons which is twenty four acres here right in the urban friends so we're quite used to managing parks that are directly adjacent to the activity and so having an you know i mean mountain biking but now it's a long way of saying no we're with you know we're comfortable that and that would solve the issue for both parks so that's to me that's a solution that's a proactive way to deal with and i think melinda agrees with that you believe the question so i know this may seem backwards but i asked you know i figured it had an opportunity to present this to this board i really want to get it out there is a public discussion just so it is if there's no interest on this board in pursuing that then there's no time so we're probably looking at a closing hopefully in early december if all goes well if assuming the board approves authorization for me to sign this tonight i will be back again later asking for permission to accept the deed to the close of the property and but that will be after i have the results of the environmental assessment and title search  it's a couple items i want to touch on the first i really don't have much to say about it but we have our friendship statements were twenty five percent through the year and so far everything looks to be  order we're continued to run behind in some certain line items one being the police department we are currently down three officers now we had one resigned yesterday  had two openings before that we have a fourth officer who is out of medical leave yeah well i won't go into what his problem is we have a fifth one who may also have some medical issues  new people and get the meantime he's going to have a short term issue of just making sure covered in addition to all that of course we're also short a dispatcher we had the dispatcher resigned a few weeks back and so we only have one we're fifty percent down on the dispatcher position so that this he's got his hands full right now other than that i really don't have any other comments on the finance report it's kind of still early in the air and as i said there's nothing that really sticks out of the being under budget in the police department which we have been and for the past several years the questions on the financial report quarterly report i distributed there are i think a few errors in some of the service indicator numbers terry pointed out a couple i'll have to  had some technical issues that made it difficult to for me to put all the report together and i got the technical issues resolved but it didn't give me time and chance to check all the numbers  i can only do so much and speaking of which help is on the way presumably we are doing the final interviews for the assistance position tomorrow so hopefully after tomorrow background check and check references and all that stuff so we were going on that next week i will be out of the state for the entire week i will be part of that week i will be i had a conference the international city county management association national conference of action international conference is being held in san antonio texas i've been there before so not that thrilled about the location but i am going to take a few days vacation at the tail end of that and go up to austin texas i am looking forward to seeing austin i will provide a written report to the select board about the first part of th  i will course be available by phone the whole time and be checking emails during the first part of the week but not the second part of the week and see what else i have  final comment i see is on the financial report we are this is something we have actually been working on for several years and this year we're beginning to start to implement it but we're actually keeping track of the exact time that our public works crew is spending on doing stormwater stuff we had the software for a year or so and it's complicated software and but the  crew and bruce are working on it and gradually expanding our has tremendous capability so they were kind of gradually growing into it and this is one of the next step in the process so instead of  the budget which seems like a reasonable number rather than actual time spent on the the functions and the same would be the least on the part of the same is true for the water insurance for next year and we're looking at a huge increase potentially well i would say most definitely it's well it's more than ten percent i don't know the exact percentage june first to really doesn't give us time because if any changes that affect employees we have to negotiate those and there's lots of things have to happen so and then you have to have it ready in place and we just don't have time to get all that done before january first so we're kind of stuck with trying to figure out how to make this plan work and we're obviously going to be looking at various options for next year because this is just not acceptable an early special event permit first and this is actually one of a series that have already been approved by the slight board involved in gardner supply this is an event scheduled for november eighteenth which is a little gathering to encourage their members so if any was it to become a member this might be a good time but o e d only consider that after you voted so you don't have a conflict earlier position that we did it and put forth a motion to reconsider having that discussion articulate that will come from so we can't reconsider a motion but we ca question the motion to say no i just would like to have a scutcheon again in more detail than what we did i just feel like we had a cursory discussion and we were we were looking at what's wrong in this proposing which wasn't necessarily what i would want to read and i just i got the impression and i don't want to speak for any member but i got the so if we do recently action then we could bring back motion to propose a resolution and if we choose not to prepare a resolution i forget what but and this is the but the important part the but was is i think we were very focused on what we're being asked to do by south burlington and  what i like about re send aspect here is let's just have a discussion about what makes sense for were listed and and we can kind of do that now without you know folks from other communities looking at us we just have that kind of discussion ourselves and me i realize you're open meetings and people can attend bob on all that but i very much support that idea question of airport governance is just that we would not at this point