this is the tuesday april twenty ninth two thousand fourteenth slike board meeting six o'clock is public comment is there any public comment all right since seeing no public comment our crane work trail which is starts on a new road and ends at fuller road and we need to come up with new procedures that fit everybody's needs on this and we're taking input on this today oh excuse me say your name in your aka address please oh my name is david rogers i'm vice chair acting chair tonight in this clip peterson  ripped mark the sides of the trail sign up so people understand that this is where you pass through this is what the public right of way is and anything beyond happy is not yours to use can tell take on a feeling if we came up with some way to mark where the public property is that we might be able to move on passed through some of these things because it would be saying that we are the neighbors in the public who want to go through there are reeling to say we understand where we're allowed to go and we were not ugh and i personally think that because of the situation that's responsibility of the recommended from talking to numerous people throughout the state on how to maintain a trail because this far as i'm concerned if this is a town own experience and publicly advertised as such next thing i did was look for off policy on how trailers and under and fortunately there is i said after what you just went through because my understanding only my understanding and nobody's lawyer is that the easement holder is the dominant tenant as they call it is responsible for upkeep and maintenance you know it would be the mystery spinners trust that would be the eastment holder would have to cure the prince and all that but would have absolute right of access that can't be blocked by this person was this little sliver of land it's clean that you would think that there must be and in most situations in vermont i think you can make a piece of property totally landlocked right you know somebody will try to argue the fact that it's on a lake means you could get a boat over to it and i think the course a couple be serious but that makes islands landlocked and you can have an island and build a big house on yeah they do all property it doesn't really matter because we don't have to use the trailer you know we can once we're on our own property we can go anywhere but this is the only way to get to us i want your property you build an interstate if you want to write write but but but this two hundred thirty feet is the only and the bridge is what we call it it's actually called washes out pretty regularly i applied for him g p as a medication grant we were approved but then they realize they wanted to go through a town which i believe  done several of these grants i'm not sure of association or the rest private residence so back then i met with chris murphy and i met with face to figure out and it's like board to figure out what does this like or need for the year and frankly this last one that we just had is one of the worst i've seen in the structures getting close to failing at this point it's but worst of the world if we can a year ago we actually fared well in that one it's this last one was actually a lot better down there last wednesday because you said yeah it was damaged so it's going to fail at some point the only access right now for i think thirty houses up and my understanding and working can try and find out and can we ask very well acquainted to basically give over the land back to us we stopped going down that path because it was clear we weren't going to be able to be the first gold vials and so we're sort of in a holding pattern and just in the movement spend money on the lawyers at that point so as i said mercy measures been reaching out to us they want to know if there's any kind of alternatives that we can look at and i sent an email after i met with brian about a week ago in call me unfortunately i need originally you would ask and at this point could you consider an alternative and so one is having biologics and having us on the road association formalized could whatever we do be specific to the residen bridges and you've got a group of homeowners who can't agree on what it is they belong to or don't belong to or what you know what should be done and what should not be done and they're all looking the bil one question is can we not do byelaws another question is salvation meaning fantasy in the town wants nothing to do with that which i despair that was the next step is can we do something is there an alternative arrangement where say the last road meeting that we have which was after those many storms last year where it fared really well and residents saw everything else going on and they said well we're fine we'll just keep putting country down into alternative fixes which will probably work for some level of time but eventually the structure is going to fail they saw what happened on seymour road which there was a temporary bridge put up that's just down on the town road which bad the firemen went down door to door and asked people there told them they would have to find access and now for them and so they had this comfort that the town is going to come in because they're taxpayers and create a structure that will allow them to get access to their property for fire  and help us and i personally need answers back to them for that you know what is the town responsible to do because if that's true i'll tell you what's going to happen i would love to hear that if we are forced to come in and rescue someone we're going to find an old rusty kohlberg we're going to throw it in there we're going to make it one lane and that's and then we're going to walk away and get a puppy last as long as we need to get across the bridge that's about it the fire department carry somebody oh my hand was  yeah i guess i and there's one other problem we're in litigation over class for roads and if we go out spend money on a road that's not even the town road we're going to get it back dragged into court to actually install it and you go would be if we could figure this out to have all the money in and count that the town would have access to before any work was to start that way minus the sixty five thousand which would be reimbursements for the residents part issues in terms of structure in dealing with how we operate and we should deal with that we've clearly come to an impasse but is there any arrangement that the town of under her lawyer could recommend to us in order to access this federal money because we won't become a formal structure by august twentieth you know in terms of deadline at the moment is how many there are so yes there's money there isn't any mon  is what does the town need to not be held liable i'm getting a little lost as to why the town was even in the us because the emergency management will not give in to they prefer to give grants to towns they don't by the existence of a one time profit mutual benefit corporation when did they fail to do their annual and get discontinued you know they chose not to what happened was that they had filed with the secretary of state and they had been doing tax work and realize that to help barbara that they didn't need to actually be filing taxes or be on on the books with the state so they just called them and said ok we're not going to file and we're going to terminate our sel any of what you just said that was not we can do we can talk to betty that's the information i happen to person who access our treasurer and secretary at this point here's here's what i'm thinking you need an entity of some kind that was the questions that occurred to jump through we do these projects so what are the requirements from the state regime in matt with faith a few years ago i don't know if there's a meeting minutes from that meeting but   understandably there's a there's a mess here as i said when i sat down and can you go back can you twenty five percent that's the first question you say i don't know i don't know i don't i don't get the twenty a conduit ministry to please the problem is going to be do we have to leave this money help from  do you have your twenty five percent match you know do you have to your four watch it because there's you know we were already planned out two thousand and fifteen right which starts june first july first where we haven't asked residents for any funding because at this point it is there is no grant and till that commitment is there from the town to say if you put all the money in the bank will back you with us there hasn't been any reason to go and collect money from people and have it set in a bank basically grantees our money we didn't pay out sixty five thousand dollars to a private citizen to work on their private road now we think we'd have to work together to our p and asked him formally asked there there so if you were able to enter the grant and then i move forward on getting the money or getting all these pieces in a play station i already committed for the product resale value but if you never get the money you know because it's that is a very question i don't know again and i had soon this is dead in the water and ray has really asked us to pick it back up and see if there's any really what you called me last summer i mean he's absolutely right it needs to happen in the importunate thing will be it's going to cost the residents three to five thousand dollars when it actually goes because we won't have access to this money and that is going to be a lot harder challenge to come up with in an emergency situation so don't know where the line is exactly i know it's a surveyed since we started this process and we met with their select board and they re said at this point because under hell's associated it's easier to stick with underhill the not to go to progress on this at all again i'm not highly optimistic at this point but i've seen this happen in charter things to move i appreciate here and there's no way we can extend this you know ray on the phone to me he said typically you don't extend the news and that was kind of my trigger to hear that i think you've put i think you know they really wanted to they've already done a year extension but i think if we were literally had all the pieces together in the contractors  involved and so we would like to table this for two weeks and i know i know but mom that's i mean i don't know what set really wants to be involved in  smartphone with me so i can't go back and look at my emails but says did say please don't take any action until i'm back for whatever reason just blows the full thing on  tonight i move that the appointment of a list searcher place peter brooks the table to to our to our next slick board meeting on may thirteenth sorry i'll second they're getting close to being able to put a good cac it's together i committed to getting some scaffolding and some wheels and getting up there and seeing how much i can do in a period of time multiplying that by the how many  like make a motion to accept the emergency management and home security what is it emergency operations planned for a town of underhill and second  new secretary of homeland security jay johnson a former colleague of mine going to be a couple cases because i'm looking for an excuse to call him with me this may not be  the other thing i think it's mcclellan without it being on the end spread the wealth