believe in that's the beginning and the end of the and that we have violence after all the only reason why the relationship between soft and suburban in this case is because suburban applied to us for a contract for insurance we gave them a contract for insurance then be insured again did the  with heart rending concert about the way the government has treated for suburban it says and so he wants some help because the government's been raise issues of no jurisdiction in the court of federal claims because it's raining or some of the other grounds on which the government often raises jurisdictional argument and are you going to drag your feet at every opportunity or you're going to give these people an actual hearing on the murders and decide all this stuff about whether suburban was engaged in fraud can you tell us for the record what the government's intentions are in the light of the rather misrepresentation so our point is that we this is a contract case now all of this stuff and they're really about how i'm not giving them the administrative record with we've been stalling and delaying with respect i don't think it goes to record the jurisdictional question but with respect i think that gets matters exactly backed suburban was pretty from the outset to bring this case in the court of federal claims as these kinds of cases have been brought up in the past and we've been saying for months and years now sue was on the board of federal claims you'll get discovery but so  lie where there is an ongoing prospect of relationship along the lines that the supreme court contemplated the vote and i just want to address that because if we are say that it's a complete misnomer the if we step into their shoes as  then we have an ongoing relationship with the borrower but we don't have an ongoing relationship with the suburban the former lender they're out of the picture the only relationship between suburban and hot in this case is the contractor insurance and the  here's my problem with your position cats that part of this made internally is only terminations i said ok now it's a second point that i think this rather interesting should they be entitled to explore that allegation with has a different in contestability clause a number of different quarks but what we're so concerned about with respect to the core federal claims that if we don't get relief very quickly in the district court recognize raise the question of fraud in the inception of the contract itself which is which which is what they would like to explore in in discovery so what they'd like to is not exactly what's going to be addressed at all by the district court isn't that correct can all move forward very quickly and we move just as quickly in the court of federal clannish i know the court of federal claims has plenty of time on their hands and plenty that opportunity to take your case up in the first matter we can even drop a very clear you could have the question is whether they would have jurisdiction i suppose i should i should restate the question because you have filed in the court of federal complaint and had a reasonable shot that there is diction in that court judgment that said something like yes you can exist they would back to the government but the government will have no obligation to pay you a penny you know what i didn't  hud and we can i ask you flat out whether you're trying to protect mr giordano here who is controlling both in the nursing home and in the suburban mortgage company and there's at least an allegation that he's left the nursing home  bankrupt knowing the government will have to pick up the bill and using bourbon to accomplish that particular delicate maneuver that suggested by footnote nine and the blue bridge is that what we're trying to avoid go to the extent that he is misused his authority within suburban and misuse suburbans funding inabilities that would reflect rather poorly on suburban should this allegation be proven correctly correct it that now put us in a position where we have to declare that it's ok to bypass the court of federal claims if you have a contract dispute but you carefully craft your allegations in a way that sounds in the eight now how do we cabin that new outlet for that a geisha and to reduce the risk of up but in any event they don't issue a separate set of nice contract docket which is death as well because i did see a government contract that is worth careful about that relates to so far the