the appeal was filed with this court if if you would like first of all the basic argument in this matter is that the you can serve the agent you can serve a corporate officer or somebody that is authorized by the corporation itself the purpose of registering with the state as is is is to register a person in particular to be that authorized person the authorized person that was selected by the corporation in this matter was and anthony we have rio as reflected by the secretary of state's registry who is the the sole the sole owner of the corporation indicating that the person that was authorized by the corporation was in fact only anthony ravioli that she has no idea who the jimbo lavelle was actually did not that there is usually somebody's front desk maybe authorized right but the corporation that was the authorized registration in this case it was an individual that was the authorization is an anthony ravioli and in this that if anybody else was to be considered an authorized person that person would have to have been authorized by the corporation not by the authorized agent that agent for service well if if yes because in the in this case i think that i think there's a distinction between having a seat that c t has a registered agent which is a corporation and individual anthony ravioli of this person in particular was and was listed as their register i think that i think that the affidavit by the sole corporate officers to fish and that she does not know who this person is if she did not authorize that i think that i think the the fact that that it was also on rebuttal and rebutted at served i think that it can be attacked because then there then then there goes the argument of whether or not that perp that person that was served is an appropriate person if they or if they are the person that is sufficiently responsible to make sure that document of rights to the person that it necessarily has to arrive to do with it but that we're drafted they've come to play to show that the individual here that was or was appropriate or inappropriate and all you've done it in evidence that brief that we would have brief then we would have had to discovering we would have done all of that these things i think that it's a hard position to say that because the opposing counsel didn't want to do that but now i don't i don't have that evidence in front of me because it wasn't  and it's i mean it's hard it's hard to it's hard to say what the court could have done with the virtue of that because i would say there is no record there was there was it was present there with presented and heard in very i presented the motion and then the judge said i've looked at everything and i'm denying your motion so if you would consider that a hearing i guess you could but we did not have the opportunity to that evidence while at the shearing it was involved hearing there was much more presented to the trial court including that set forth in our brief i'm prepared to talk about today the pen the documents filed in the case them in related cases was he under oath as to who we were he was not under oath it was you know it wasn't testimony however there was documents provided to the trial court for review showing pierce the corporate veil case the actual or not greater of the corporation was or a son and we were bringing summary judgment eventually on that issue but the second the less well because  if there was another person who was acting as to be defacto owner and operator of the kind of corporation he as well as regular could have authorized mr leavelle to accept service and of course presented with that but that was one facet of our going other facet is that the credibility of mistery own in of itself regardless of whether another person had authorized m plants attempting to execute there's a six month lag in at home before excuse me there was a ten month lag there before she even found her fortune one petition in the interim six months before affidavit but you're right it is a step back from the actual issue in this case which i think was just conceded at oral argument they did not speak to their registered agent because nothing did she didn't say they didn't have an affidavit she said they did not speak on this subject but as i believe all three of you recognize if there's a corporation or a secretary that is always being deemed valid service on a registered agent and in the case  city corporation or you know if his secretary if there was any testimony there was a secretary and the case votes to the contrary and we're representatives of corporations have been deemed insufficient to accept service there's always to overcome to create a question of fact that the judge perhaps should have held a hearing to determine whether service was affectionate in all this other stuff that you're bringing up about subsequent notices and the liberties and everything has really goes to the question of whether they were notified of the lawsuit in the first instance so that he had the purpose of service was effectuated that they knew about this loss i would agree with that and let me ask you a question in your brief you go out of your way to say that you filed a subset of a separate lawsuit to pierce the corporate veil and that that was settled in that the principals in that lawsuit agreed to would be remanded or would be overturned we would go back down we would go back to the trial court and either and what probably file an immediate motion for is a there is a collection matter filed and they filed on i'm collection if the if the case is mine my understanding of my understanding of how the sim work if this case was remanded or if the judge's court was overturned then the judgment that was issued in the matter would be vacated and then my client would have the ability to request that those funds based on payment are they i would have to look at the settlement but i don't think so i don't think so and i think i think in the alternative my client also has the ability to file either their own complaint or counter counter complaint based on the initial complaint