know and it could be two members of the board it and kendall and jeff for kendall and another member of the community who is interested in working with us you know that's that morning including the ordinances and is really what i want to look at because that's where the applications where that's where the guidelines were that's where the exclusions were you know those to go hand in hand to me and maybe what what you could do is you could take an appendix it's really should be written so that everybody can read it well that's true but there does need to be some i don't want to use too much legally but it can't be too passive it can't be to dumb down what i thought reading some of the other folks is is some of them were really simple it was very basic and very straightforward and not too much lead police but you still got the point across that this is what we need to accomplish you know i think and  actually have been doing some of this at work too is comparing statute to to what we're actually doing and what's been nice about some of the some of the way that statute has been written and some of the loan programs that i'm working at actually refers to documents easily all so the statute will say you know for updates to the way that you roll the loans you should refer to the intended use plan that's updated every year so something like that where the ordinance would refer to a document that's updated every year kind of some comments on the two thousand and eight draft there too who are interested in working on this kind of a subcommittee for for sewer for sewer ye yes actually for more meetings and i think we might want to prioritize a little bit and i guess i'm asking the question whether this rises above other things that we've got on the list because specifically if we want to if this if this these five members review to vote on it and they can take effect when it takes effect but i think it becomes a different political process if we wait until the because of the pro going to turn over the board and then to certainly review started with were some of the what is driving people crazy so far is that we're we're changing so many things ok and and not finishing what we started i think that it is important and critical to address what you just described with the allocation but let's get the rates for we think they ought to be first and then i would say then fix the allocation because for a now the allocations remain where we have left them this is my understanding the say you know time starts you got one more year you know that's a good thing and we have to address the whole issue of what is now occasion even right but nothing that we've done so far with the rest of the ridge structure dresses that trend and i think the proper way to clearly when they were dancing with community or you read it when they went they looked at the state allocation tables need decided is a bore seventy five percent ninety percent hundred percent twenty five percent they said this is you have an allocation is only given to  decide we don't we don't have to create a problem with the allocations right we can let them be what they are and fix the rates and then i mean frankly that the whole issue of what is the allocation of what does it mean what is what is it legal purpose is still it's still open but i don't i'm i'm pushing back against that becoming the first foremost thing this board deals with and frankly the only person who would really impact influence significantly i apostle that's worth a couple of thousand dollars a year that's that's who it would affect the most and maybe maybe we need to triplets again their act together to but that's a that's not what we're here we're not here to punish people we're here to make sure know we need to just start somewhere and and if this is what the pleasure of the board is to go in the direction of knocking down the rates while we have the support that we have i'm absolutely supportive of that as long as we still kind of i mean we've been hammering away at a lot of stuff and i'm really i'm really happy with the work that we've done with the two hours a month that we need to build you know what i want to say and i think we all know is that exactly so that so that you know we were all up to speed on hand so that he can talk about the fundamentals of the new design and the pros and cons in a public forum where not hashing out all the details about what is this number is going to come  approach with the lessons learned over the past year so it's an option you know i mean i think it's a good we should be prepared to do is present a couple of different options and see which see the pros and cons of a couple of different options and go from there and i like it a lot but there are some things that i want to play around with and some potential changes that i would propose that we would then we would meet individually with with the three of you again some were not by leaving the public meeting saying what happens to me right happens to people like me what happens to the different classes of users me and just so we're clear the budget that i'm working with is the is the kind of the last one that we talked about so  report so that that's our baseline and if we look at it and see that this is too much or this it packs too much or whatever knowing what's coming down the pike that we can adjust from there but it will be based on the one that we read on the last meeting but the charts the visuals you did a really good yeah yeah the last president those were really really good our house in order with with rates that's going to inform what we're going to tell beating down because we're just getting an update folks to their movement there has been a lot of know you have to do so developing that sort of thing would be really useful because the one that i developed over the summer was specific for the pretty change that occurred it wasn't necessarily for this is how the system works i think that would make sense that might be an example to start with because i thought that was fairly user friendly rational basis and not cut it or whatever like what are you going to do about it and we've just sort of been saying only have to trust that we're going to do it but that's you're right it's it could be a completely different born two  that's and that's the next meeting but for this one is really working out i think would what were collectively saying is we've done what we can what we can we don't there is no other mechanism in place to alleviate  to alleviate people's bells currently so we've we've made some decisions that should have helped more we will hold them all and will help in the long term so the next one so there it seems going back the past four quarter's forty three thousand gallons sixty one thousand gallons eighty one and a half thousand gallons seventy nine thousand gallons of that  then forty five thousand gallons forty five thousand gallons being the most being july meter reading so you go back a year plus that's that's two hundred sixty seven thousand gallons over the past well for the not for the past year but what we were looking at when we're doing our usage based allocation so does a lot of water's a well this is it's it's a it's a water only connection right and clear that there's a leak inside this person's house and we don't know what to do about it and so then it went ok who's taking care of the property where this person is away what can we can we can we shut it off you know they have tenants what cable is it in the tenants place ok like actively help trying to help them out so we're not just ignoring it to be like sorry sucks to be you know these guys are doing the right thing right so then can we should we do we want to that is prone to leakage especially when it's negative ten outside is that our problem i mean it's very clearly says it maybe not in our ordinance but in general understanding is that you you  i'm saying is that generally speaking in our system there is and an understood amount of leakage between the curb stop and where the meter is because there's that service line that's not the meter that is the customer's responsibility that that usage if we stay with a rate structure that remains based on usage then this probably won't happen much of the future will know that if they get that call they have to fix it w am just to kind of go back to this whole discussion of leaks known leaks knowing where it's going to be had another customer came to a senior go who had to leave because his meter froze who's who the result is doesn't does it does their due diligence in the learning folks to the fact that listen you have to use it you've got to leak you've got to find it on your side and while you recognize that going to a usage based maybe somebody could hear this was a leak in the lawn it sounds like candles been telling them for quite some time that he's that they've got a leak and i think we need to set a time for that after maybe two quarters  so it was close to seven year you ok so in jan so in the quarter that ended january two thousand and eleven so two years ago it was sixty four hundred gallons so  and then the next quarter that ended in the able to thousand and eleven was fifteen thousand gallons in the quarter than end of july two thousand and eleven is twelve thousand gallons and in the quarter that ended october two thousand and eleven it was almost twenty thousand gallons january two thousand and twelve it was on the sixteen thousand gallons and then it jumped up so clearly between january two thousand and twelve and able to thousand and twelve they had a leak because it was more than double ye three fifty five so three fifteen so five times three fifty is fifteen hundred seventeen hundred dollars so  half to two i mean this is just rounding numbers that's a difference of five and a half five point five times three fifty five that's almost two thousand dollars in base charge when i'm thinking of is where is a is a very welcome to the january sixth like board meeting our going to start where the meeting to decide method of vote for a listers article so i think we should not automatically australian dollar to have to have a special meeting to have the voters decide whether it's going to be australian dollars on their order for that to happen somebody would have to be crucial to have it voted by australia qualified tester appointed by mislike board who shall have the same powers discharge the same duties perceived in the same in the discharge there are in the same manner and be subject to the same liabilit or the board of blisters under the provision title thirty two and shortly after that i posted on the bolton boards here downstairs in the past we have had special meetings held sideslip board meetings we have not have a huge amount of attendance i exclude anyone but i thought we had talked about it at the meetings enough that people would understand that this was the building where the site probably weather is holding some people back also but would say that if if another were the group like good governance committee letters and something that may be better than the select well i would like to know if there's any more  select board if we're really going to have a can see it's coming up in march and it's it's a great thing to do and we hope that everybody who has thought about it and will considered strongly and about health issues related to the creamery parcel and its ongoing status as an unsecured building and right now i just talked about this a little bit and i guess questions is what not really be a building code and i think when you're talking about a health order if the health concern is inside the building and you put it up then you've taken care of the health concern that fence would not be necessary and so i think even the owner could argue that he's taking the questions to make it more safety if it's boarded up and considering that it is probably a property in i had to page forward line thirty one i said that that i'm in favor of asking the town to help pay for the tank but i am not in favor of using the tank as an excuse to sort of standing  the budget that is not attached to a real asset which is just a more i clear version i think of what's the transfers with the notification the single select for yes we manage our accounts in the schools accounts and from time to time one  account or another may have a shortfall that we may need to cover temporarily with the other account and we've been doing that administrative leave and we spoke with our orders this time  it that there might be an approval to move that money and then move it back so there is not time sometimes to get the approval of the board this is along the lines of monday morning we get a phone call from the bank saying the celts overdrawn by seventy thousand dollars we have to do something so we've been doing that it's routine basis but now we're putting the policy of the place where  the board is somebody from is like we're going to be aware of what we're doing and then we're going to do something else that we've recently in are implemented which is called a transfer window where they will show what we've done and get the approval after the fact from the select from everybody so it's not like everyone will know about it just one person it's just  of the select board and in their absence the vice chair perso you have in front of you a copy of the draft two thousand and fifteen capital plan and i've made some amendments to reflect some of our budget changes particularly with and we took out five thousand dollars from the addition to the bridge in culver reserve that was for the bridge street bridge me but i can get into that later there's two hundred thousand dollars in that fund so those are  the changes that we've made and that have been reflected in the draft budgets and you also have a member memo from the planning commission on their two recommendations and i see a couple of interested staff members that are going to talk about some of the changes we made to the highway capital mostly on the you know what we're talking about along the route here screen i don't know that we've had an engineer of course but i think that it's in two thousand and eleven two thousand and twelve it's obvious that the clear in contact my understanding was we have to do that for the funding for the yeah that's what's getting us the money again and frankly the point contact is hundred fifty thousand dollars out of the one then it's something that we're going to have to look into again and accountable because it has to get done just like the take us to get there so i mean these are the things that work that the things you're talking about cutting versus the things you talk about you being in we're talking about public health and infrastructure versus versus erosion of a field which i understand is an asset to the town but we're talking about public health more in tune with the with the expenses and the impact of the to the to the users of the system than that i think anybody else is aside maybe the users themselves you know we're worried we struggle with this every meeting  balancing the needs of the system with with the the needs of the community but the reality is there were we have regulations that we have follow so thank you thank thousand six hundred fifteen you refer to specific document sure the narrative the richmond capital budget program page nine of that narrative at the bottom is what works and and we're trying to say ourselves a couple of bucks you know in the interest of getting it to again some some number that we all think is is great i'm not i'm not ok with just getting into some  right at the same time you're talking about so it's going to affect us yeah i just wondered if we'd talk about that now or maybe talk about the budget but it's all both exactly i mean it was a budget decision and i understand where you're coming from but you know you've already talked about the water increase in the if you put that tax increase on those same guys against it's going to be detrimental it's either stick with the plan that in the end costs less and stick with the plan or yeah i don't know is there any benefit of trying to spread it out it's not really spreading it out the only downside i can see is next year the reserve so we'd have three thousand dollars in our favor under over the cuts that we wanted to make so that extra thousand that jeff was saying we saw and you find another thousand well there we have it and two thousand more it's in the capital plan or reducing it is bridging colbert reserve by thirty thirty five thousand dollars second there is any further discussion t we already have about one hundred ninety thousand that wasn't spent last year because of the flooding so we've got basically two gravel plants to do this year we get yes yes all right but it one construction season so i think fourteen thousand dollars is going to make it to be his base what it is going to it's not going to make a big it's not going to make a big difference here and then and then and you know i'm speaking and i want to finish so and then the second part of that is i'm not convinced that no fence you ever built the retreatment schedule but it just goes up twenty thousand dollars each year and i'm not convinced that that is needed and under our current pricing if it went up paid some a quarter mile or more so i'm not saying it's a horrible idea it's not a horrible idea to restore it all that's just just priorities i'm not sure why we're picking  can we clearly can't make a decision tonight but what we could do is is approached the conservation commission and asked them if they would if they would think that that's so a worthwhile because i think even spending the money it has to go to it has to go all kind of just played out if we requested forty thousand dollars from the conservation fund the select were uprooted we could then essentially further reduce the budget by forty thousand dollars because we're putting in another revenue we're putting in a revenue of forty that no not f y sixteen so basically this time next year we would say we would be saying we're going to use conservation money for this or in three months we'll say we're going to do it this summer with conservation money right it just puts off the timber we have to keep it in the player that  yes if we kept it the way it's written the capital plan because then then it would be every every two years so that was that's right and the sixteen is not shown in sixteen so the highway don't try to thousands of it is not shown sixteen is shown in eighteen right and the watch the fifteen ok sure there is the nineteen really it's proposed in this as sixteen so in theory it's off for two years based on the spreadsheet when you're based on the capital plan right and i think if we i think based on the capital plan we just change it in the spreadsheet but then in nineteen thank you peter but then in nineteen the two thousand and eleven dumptruck doesn't show up as a proposed  money from that you were hoping to put aside what was that more that from the theme that really in the in the regular budget right right you have  the budget and then see where we are next year in the capital in the capital plan as as the way as an eight year cycle we cross this bridge in nine months six and i would be mean if it's in there in the structure like a business where you know you can sacrifice or take out big jumbo whatever and just increase your sales and make up that that makes sense but we're also we're in the process of considering changing the whole way we perform its function and those just are not going to change the the budget for the current fiscal year they just want to change the grade be paid fiscal year yeah i wish i would be supportive of an increase however knowing that the busy time of the years coming and we're kind of getting to the end of fiscal year you're not of what happens with the vote in march we know that it's underpaid and and we also know that twelve dollars an hour may not even billable wage these days so i would support an increase i don't know the listers are paid closer to you know what seems to be going rate in other towns but without going to be issues that i have a problem with is increasing it within this fiscal year we have this is an that but i'm looking ahead so what's the last whenever the finance the year to date from december had it that thirty four percent so if most of that work is coming up in the spring see it affecting the budget yes that what has convinced me is that it's a twelve dollars a barrel since two thousand and five and so if the whole scale is supposed to move with the cost of living i mean one hundred by this didn't move with it why this has been exempt from the right which is just outside but i think that would be fair to move it up at this time and then you know there shouldn't be yeah yeah all right i harry the list i believe is the gentleman i was communicating with him last year and we we get it doing that meets the sort of the purview of the state whatever it is then they pay for it bridge the initial is going to be done through them and then ongoing maintenance will just be when they read over the press develop and you have to you out you do have to read to maintain like there's a certain amount of  anything off from the work in progress any question form it is one of the mentioned something the emergency management plan and then i did and they pre planning meeting for a tabletop exercise that is occurring in mid january so i'm actually pretty excited that that's going forward the state be there to observe can basically give us feedback on where to go with to continue to do this which i think is pretty important to functional areas where which guide each part of your response and that is something that i'm trying to put into one of those areas x and i think that's an appropriate way to do it will be  so i will go yeah ok because like you know what can i just quickly just going back to economic development here there is a survey that's being developed it's taking a