me feel like he's in a bit of a predicament over these things i understand they used to be five dollars i didn't know i've been here twenty years i didn't know there was such a rule at least emit more and highlands and signage or anything so the the face value of that ticket hasn't changed what has changed is what it gets reduced to which is twenty five so the end of the other thing is that you haven't had a discussion with chief crimes one of the things that he is suggesting and i think this makes a lot of sense is that if you go into many communities like peter township to do not permit parking either on the street at any time or at certain times as you enter pla you see a sign that says no more no arkie with these hours and so what prizes suggested as a way to educate people of this is that we begin a process of beginning to put these signs up at the entrance of the pretty sure that there's probably no one wanted from my father and i understand the builders spent a lot of money just got their parts into their development so i'm pretty sure that the side would be wanted but i wanted to water problems out there and they all share a set of common attributes these are real problems you know this is not a situation where a resident is point your problem that doesn't exist these are problems the properties or impact that are all privately owned and in all likelihood the problem can't be solved without the intervention of the township and we have a number of these i would venture to say there's somewhere between six and ten of these that have been sitting out there in the coming back to us because the solution implement the solution is not something that is easy so what we promised you back on june twenty sixth is that we begin to able to get that resolved to understand what's happened with mr and mrs platt in to get a general understanding of what's happening in the bridge play and you really need to go back and look at all of these properties that are or on this side of the road continue to drain in this direction so this plan was developed there was a story that was in the play and we're not sure whether this was  tell someone in his a page that there would be a significant amount of water that would come to these ilands the other thing you see is again this is coming from the proper use this flows this way and then here is where this tree would have been and then this is where iron would state is up this direction and this is a theory we've all heard that when you're standing on the flats property and looking not what mr or mrs platt have pointed to but if i were property owner what i would be concerned about is this on here it sits there it has nowhere to go so what you have in somebody's backyard is  twenty five times as us and it was that way even prior to the development of our plan the average plan i did i never knew that history i got that history from my former neighbor he's moved across state new owners and you know they're not happy they're probably i don't know the mystery of the zig is in the armed forces he's training all summer so that's why you're not hearing anything from them at present what i would say is even though this is not a failure of existing stormwater drainage this never happened before the fact that there used to be a stream through my backyard fence if i were there for eight years and that pipe served just fine yes in the bottom corner of my yard i get standing water because it is the lowest point of probably that side of the neighborhood and and after a few days after the ra storm it would drive back and kind of normally even with even with the rotting tractor i have not been able to cut it let alone with a riding tractor with a push mower for the past twenty months this corner of mine or right here is source of the water is and we know we need to get into that and we're there may be other problems that the plants have in new york until you do this you will not know who what needs to be done with that most bought new york this is the logical first step to pass to happen was so whatever else may happen on the program you've got to get the water captured into this fight and so this is again this is the solution we came up with trying to be fair to everyone because you know one of the problems that we have is we are a public entity in these funds that we spend our taxpayers funds and there's clearly see where we might have a role on the other i don't see our role as clearly it's contained the one piece of property it doesn't require anything from the township to be able to remedy that which is because i have to focus on the lower corner of my yard the one with all the damage so yes a first step absolutely is to fix the the initial overflow before it reaches the bottom  that never occurred before so that's almost every heavy rain storm for two years i'm going to have significant money if i can get some assistance with labor or phil or something in the lower end because that's the big price tag i'm looking at and that's the part of my yard that is the usable part of my yard that's what i'm most concerned about i can't go on with that i can almost live with the area this directly behind my in all it right now because it's only twelve feet wide for a distance of maybe another twelve feet is probably like twelve by twelve that part's destroyed but nobody goes there that that but that's the first step i understand that by principle the reason i didn't want to have to pay anything is counterproposal and i'm not trying to wheel and deal here but money is a concern for me if i can get that down to five hundred and the township participate with the rest and then i will work separately with mr took testimony from the part of her as well resumes the question in front of counsel for action is whether or not you want to adopt a normal and to modify the definition of patti home and as a currently create a range that says between six six feet and between b and eliminate the inclusion of the nature of the ownership from the definition of a patio home so what you would be left with is this section the organs that breeds money this is the the as i stated before as much as are you concerned as anything else that i have is that under the current definition we have pretty much precluded any condominium development developments occur even peters township in the future because any structure separated by any distance that is in a condominium is by definition a patio home and so therefore you will find that sprinklers turn out to be an impediment to having a condominium bill so with that it's my recommendation that the towns home all patio homes must have sprinklers the nature of the this was a mistake because the danger of ownership has nothing to do with virus a separation ability to have something to do with cars a d so if you separate the buildings by so the other thing is as we well know we have some problems in some neighborhoods with brinkley as we've discussed about what the procedure would be under this to have this privilege removed and we would involve getting a building permit and the building inspector making the determination that the building meets current code without sprin and we would more fire suppression of right we would make it to be a clear separation so that in fact if there is not in service we would make them remove all sprinkler heads so that no one could buy the house and assume that it changes in you can come in with a building permit to do work on your house that may have you may have had a standard that was higher previously and if the standard is less than won't allow that as long as that builders officials don't want any changes to the construction code that in any way affect uniformity but my argument is we're getting closer to what the code is as opposed to the of solicitors that we have a problem with his concern about our ordinance is that it does not provide the chief any discretion you know to the words us permit is determined to be either you're looking at a number of criminal activities that a person may have engaged in and one of the things he pointed out is that you could have been engaged in some type of sexual offense that would not have risen to a valley and he believed that if you had committed that kind of crime or if you had been in the state of pennsylvania or you had committed that crime somewhere else and it would have got you want to make  and i can guarantee you that if in fact one of these conditions exist cheap grimes will use his discretion and revoke a permit background checks are done everything's yes so based on that if we're going through that process then i just would like to be sure that whenever charging for these is going to come from that time invested  the engineers has experience with with the contractor he is confident that in fact he had the capability of doing this this is less than what we thought it would be there are additional costs somewhere between twenty five  them are savings that we've been able to realize others are projects that are part of lanes so for instance this this streetscape project we have every intention of wanting to do that we have yet to get disappear it will certainly be aware of invasion of the manager this included in fact we want to talk to you about additional things that we can do in the intersection and we'll be talking about that as part of the budget but whether it's in arise the issuance of a check for up to thirty thousand dollars for the relocation of the polls they will not do that unless they have a payment in the end we can't afford the whole the project of waiting for three weeks  one what it does to the road to the cost of doing it and so he has adjusted to ryan that perhaps we don't include it it's totally up to counts whether you want to do them or not  other issue is is that the way the players for house and people started to vote on our own people were a little confused because there were a couple different parts of it and some people like certain things and not other things and then this idea of the  that was proposed at the top wanna is is now off the table temporarily pending the development of the potential development that's going to be a little further out so i think it's a little people are confused about what's actually going to which put a bunch of money into clearing our backyard and putting in a fence and the noise concerned with putting in a raised intersection or speed bumps somewhere in that stretch was a big concern to us we have young kids at home and we were noticing one of the temporary speed bumps we put in last year a lot of people were actually laying on their horns or actually excel orating word rest of lee after they go up over the bomp and given all the construction going on down in the the hamlets and then the new development that may go in there maybe a ton of construction vehicles which are even wider to make that just completely very loud back there also going to note the just the whole the whole speed bump or speed table i'm against it too to begin with i think there's a ton of speed bumps already in the township thompson the road is is just a nightmare to drive on i work in a township work road come home for lunch a bunch of times i'm going in and out on our own road a bunch of times throughout the day so a concern of mine is that you know if i want to go over to speed bumps or we're three if there's a raised intersection to work if i come home for lunch i go back i come back home after work we go out to dinner i'm going to the speed bumps you know eight nine ten times a day where a car is after a while so i mean it mean if you're supporting it the big thing is that we don't want anything near inspected and recommend settings for the township what is not included in this in should be specifically excluded from the motion is we are not the ownership of the the property where the stormwater detention facility is or that that facility but the remainder of the improvements including the roads these storms are a collection system and all these mints and open space parcels com is going to be issued by major online and this is the consultant to the township hired to look at a number of issues in addition to that i've got a number of topics i need to talk you know we had a public hearing last week and we're trying to get direction from council as to how we need to move forward the way this works is that if there's a returning to what it was was this saw one down on venetia road where we've created is village news so i think that's an important piece to have there just because you don't have any history of that type in that area with we're of the opinion that this one makes sense and ought not to be changed so you have these two parcels to be deleted the other one you have is we heard testimony property owners that he council desires to add this property that we move ahead in adopt the ordinance and consider a change just zoning of that property separate from the adoption of the entire  further the problem with this turning lane is as you can well imagine having gone through that there's actually these people here will never get out of their driveways for about an hour in the morning and have the same problem at some point in time we need to get direction from council as to what the nature of this road is that goes through the property and services that are in the school whether it's the be a  and i've left many messages and the thing that i want to point out to you is that under the misspelled explaining you can remove someone from the planning commission i guess my question is do you want me to send a letter giving him notice that we tend