good evening and welcome to the may twenty first two thousand and eighteen borders thank you for coming to the beach street center are not our usual location this is called order we're going to start off with some community announcements as you know may twenty eighth memorial day parade will be taking place may thirtieth is town meeting continuation town day has been moved to june second due to the rain delay from nine to four high school graduation is june third so congratulations to all the graduates we are having on june eighteenth public forum to discuss post closure use of the former incinerator site that's going to be june eighteenth at eight pm at the town hall auditorium it's not for two to propose and discuss ideas for post closure use of the space so invite everybody to come and bring your ideas with you a first order of business is the approval of the fifteen minute parking space request at one of five  parking space in proximity to her business this was in response to some of her customers having challenges getting close enough to the bakery to be able to load and unload she does a catering business so oftentimes there are there's a number of things that need to be going in and out of the shop so it came to the traffic advisory committee we notified all the businesses in the immediate vicinity nobody spoke in opposition i didn't receive any messages no one showed up at the hearing if you look in your  package you'll see there's an illustration there where we're i've indicated where the fifteen minute space would be signed that is an existing parking space and if you're coming down common street and you turn right onto capella road that is the for a spot that you encounter on the right so it really is a convenien spot to slide in and out of proximity wise it's very close to vicki lee's business but further down the street is also mark and tony's pizza which is probably another business that would benefit by it as well if somebody were running in there quick to pick up a pizza or something like that so  i'm just i'm here to recommend that the board approve the placement of the space question is can you have questions thank you chair so what's the is there currently a parking restriction here it's currently one hour parking it's one hour parking that's correct and we have any concerns that once we prove this this is evening that all of the businesses along the strip will be asking for fifteen minute parking about mark i think there's always a chance that that could happen i have a couple things i would say about that one the traffic advisory committee evaluated a similar request for any catering up on belmont street not too long ago approved that one the board approved that alternately i think the onus is on the traffic advisory committee to evaluate these as they come in and  really these are two requests over the last maybe six months then not regular requests but i would say that the traffic advisory committees responsibility we would be to evaluate that and see whether or not it makes sense obviously part of this is trying to work with the businesses to businesses for similar issues well you know i don't know what tax evaluation criteria is understand that this is for catering but i can certainly understand perhaps marking tony's and some of the other businesses along the block there might landlocked so i have no rare access to my building i don't have very friendly neighbors you know not even allowed to walk over the property so it's my fire and grass but when i'm loading for a catering job which is the which is what keeps me in business what do i do if there's no spots in front of store and now there's a sign that says no parking here to corner because i guess it was a little bit shy of being a legal spot right there so i asked for it and requested it i was fearful of it being a commercial zone because i don't want somebody to park there for three hours and then i have no front access to it i simply wanted to try to come up with a solution that would give me access to the front of my store to load my vehicle industry because i am in catering so i need some way to get to my door it's kind of a unique situation really is you're all you having the access around the corner you're landlocked in this loading is kind of key to the business it's not something and it's not just limited to you obviously anyone else on the block could utilize right right i'm just expressing a point of view i understand the need  criterion terms of how the group is because i honestly i wouldn't be surprised if another business comes in front of you and ask you for a similar thing and just one of those you know what is our criteria is no different then when you came in front of us before about no party in to business have not come running to tact looking for and i think she has a unique situation there and being very familiar with the situation and to attack has approved it i would just go on record the wording right i know what it is it's the well my high school traffic plan before we move on this i want to read a statement then issue has been raised as to whether i am required to recuse myself from the high school project related matters due to my house being near the high school campus i've asked town council to review this question and until that review is completed and avoid any possible issues i'll be recusing myself from high school project related matters including tonight's meeting  leadership around this matter because i'm hearing there's a great deal of concern within the community not as much about the high school building project but more about chris traffic that could create in that neighborhood and so i think we're here tonight to listen in the perhaps time to traffic advisory committee has on two occasions i've been the audience for presentations by the building committee regarding traffic and the proposal for the new high school most recently on may tenth a presentation was made because it's not a microphone that's wired for the whole room you know the shoe's on the other foot tonight so now that i realize that i will i'll do a better job mark what i was saying was the building can be made to presentations to the traffic advisory committee on traffic related matters and the most recent one was may tenth the that particular presentation was very thorough and also very dense the committee really wasn't in a position on may tenth to process the information that was presented and so you know we left with a take away of have the committee members review the presentation last week and present their comments by friday so they can be compiled in advance of this meeting tonight and so th the members did that if you if you saw the document you'll see that the of that the types of comments i don't know if you did you want to go point by point what we i think i think what i would ask glenn is i mean it seems to be a recurring theme in between issues that go through the major issues that have been addressed sort of identify a guest bill right now also major issues that the members of the residents in that neighborhood it also identified it would be important in and like to hear from larry and bill about that as to go in street into or instituting changes that would precipitate drivers making u turns on concrete haven't you there is a there's agreement with at least one member with the recommendation of a traffic signal at go to street in con elaborate on that that doesn't necessarily mean that there aren't more members who support the traffic signal it's just that only one of them commented via email in their comments to me on friday when you common street intersection was a topic two members expressed concern that the high school will exacerbate traffic on concord ave at common street further study of recommendations will be done town wide with the with the town's traffic consultant alexander av and several members have mentioned the the need for the town to pursue the pedestrian tunnel at alexander avenue this strong feeling that not only will it help foster walking to the new high school but it also will help alleviate traffic because residents who now have to fight brighton street in the belmont sent a bridge to get to the site would have a natural drop off location on shannon road in be able to drop the students and i think that's right i mean that's really part of the community path and i haven't had an opportunity to read the responses but i understand that bill your consultant has addressed a lot of the issues that were raised in this list is a fair to say the questions yes yes yes questions were asked and we try to put a response together in time for this meeting just been made public just i actually mark just got to tonight at the meeting tonight so it's fresh information i would suggest that we in lieu of kind of going step by step down this list because we know we have responses  i'd like to sort of cut to the chase and say that the traffic advisory committee has made to you know fairly big recommendations here the first one is that there is strong support too to have a temporary traffic signal installed at the intersection of golden concord haven't you this will give us an opportunity it'll give the engineers it'll give the residents of godin in that neighborhood it'll give the community at large an opportunity to see what a signalized intersection would do in that location and you know help us determine whether or not there really is a benefit there i think we i would say that as an engineer i think there is a benefit but i also know that people need a comfort level of knowing that that it is in fact true in this would be an opportunity to to show that the second recommendation is using the b s c group who is currently working for the town on the town why traffic issues have to be a sequel to a peer review of the building comm work in locating the entrance exit unconquered haven't you so evaluate the data to determine whether or not the recommendation to have that located opposite go to the street or in some other location what's the right answer what's the wrong answer or do you know do they support th that have come from the building committee or do they have different recommendations ok very you come into i agree with what glenn has just said i would like to see the traffic light at go placed in service as a temporary measure to see what the effect is and it might help mitigate the current situation which we act involved with the see growth that would give us an idea going forward i'm very concerned about some proposals to shot off some of the intersections i ca avenue to prakash i think there's a public safety issue here with the police and fire departments i don't know to what extent they have been involved in the process but i think it would help mitigate current traffic problems in that neighborhood if we could go ahead and place a traffic light at golden and caught it it would give us a feel of what i guess how do we plan a temporary like there i mean  still actually you can do temp relate overhead in fact you know this this was actually something that bill had raised because you encountered one in his personal dramas around the state so put a permanent if you have you know this is it comes on the trailer these things right i just would like to point out that right now the b s c group is doing a town why traffic study to help mitigate some of a traffic problem a stretch we are all familiar with so i think this is a back it up even further and is that enough so so mark there out there are certain things that i am interested in teasing out in terms of ideas the other document that was included here traffic thoughts and i put my name on that so there would be no confusion as to which crazy person is the one behind these thoughts right i just turned to patrice and said you didn't catch the little note in the email that i had when i said that these are not ready for prime time but  patrice has a little bit of a philosophy of of leap before you look ok so here we are and you know the whole idea behind these thoughts that i've jotted down here is that i've been around for a long time and we've done a lot of things and we've tried to do things and we certainly recognize the challenges in the town traffic wise and some stuff just flat out isn't working in a couple that with the fact that the volumes are on the increase and there's really no ability for a community to restrict volumes and so that kind of defers the conversation in my mind to you know how we're going to deal with the reality of the situation i mean that that's what it really comes down to and so i believe there's going to be some creative thinking required i've put down some ideas that i think kind of go in that direction but they're ideas that need to be fleshed out a little bit i have not presented these to the b s e group yet they have a lot of fresh data from the traffic study that they're in the middle of doing and so you know using the data that brighton street and just just ideas i'm just kind of formulating as i go here and hoping to get some some support through the data and ultimately we can try to implement some of the stuff so a lot of it is a work in progress  but i guess what i want to stress to everybody here tonight is you know certainly a traffic advisory committee myself is the town engineer and i know bill feels this is well known in patent that the building committee you know there are two sort of parallel tracks here one is we have a high school building project that that's looming and we also have a traffic problem in the town of don't want that exists today and is going to exists when the high school is constructed and so how do we reconcile both of those and how do we how do we come up with some kind of a plan to mitigate the impact of all of this and so that's where my mind is right now and you know i don't know that i have the answer to the golden street neighborhood as i sit here tonight and i want to be honest about that because i know that that's a concern and believe me you know that the traffic advisory committee meeting somebody was talking about a four way stop at goldman school st you know what sometimes people stop sometimes they don't know i flat out said what would make it better make it a raise intersection you got it i mean that's easy that's easy we can do that and that would make a difference i think that some of the other mitigate other mitigation is not so obvious but that's not to say that we're not looking at ways to get there within belmont that's going to be further exacerbated by the build hopefully this this guys could build the project moving forward with stronger support but you have to recognize that when you start looking at the impacts of the high school project on concord avenue and hit and you're in brighton difficult and they will what's the timeline for the b s c work right now because there is an issue of trying to dovetail their work which i suspect is going to go on for many months with the work that the school building committee is trying to do in terms of finalizing its side analysis what are the b s c data collection is working with the belmont police department to do a license plate survey to determine how many of the users on the road are actually belmont residents versus out of around residence and trying to get an idea of who's doing what and why and when and so i you  know i originally had hoped back in the winter when we began this that we would have something in the way of a report by the summer i'm not i'm not feeling that good about that right now because in my mind what i'm looking for in that report is not only some of valuation of data but you know suggested mitigation some suggested you know ideas on how to deal with this stuff and i just don't think we're going to get there that quickly but the other part of it is is because the peer review stuff that we can ask them to do that is specific to the building project and i think that we can address some of the concerns or questions people have about the specific proposals for the high school using b a c to do that you know we try to make it clear bill and i we try to we tr separate out this town wide effort from the high school effort recognizing that you know the high schools a project that is several years down the road in terms of it being fully developed but the traffic issues are here today and so we're interested in identifying traffic issues that are occurring today in trying to address them today not waiting for a building a high school building to god i think that's right glenn but i mean we still have to take into consideration if we're successful at the ballot box in the fall that the fed can believe products moving forward and so what are you thoughts i'll be brief thank you so we like glen said we've met february and then again just a couple of weeks ago with tack in our presentation and consistently consistently our traffic consultant has the building committee and their consultants always looking at this campus is what ways can we what methods can we put in place to make walkers and bikers those people that are more vulnerable safer to get to  and from the school campus ok so that's what we've been looking at and the signal zation would certainly help that how it deals with traffic is yet to be seen but our traffic consult on the bill that high school building committee side said it will improve properly i'll say that we'll have to you institute in a summer it's a good time to do that see how it works and see what the differences when the fall comes if you can get it installed you're not going to get us all probably before the school year is out so that's something to think about and there's two different the the football field ok and then the pot somewhere and i think whether that's an entrance or exit or just an exit there's discussion of making a two way to relieve some of that stress that will happen right there but if it's one way then all of that  is that correct and beyond that i mean i know you have concerns about traffic flow but it really kind of stops there to some extent right once it spills into concord as so so we went a little further state requires us really to look at the campus but we want a little further into the town but we can't take our consultant through the belmont high school building committee side and do a town wide study ok and so that's where we're challenge that doesn't mean it isn't glenn and i sat down very early release winter and said how can we do this together and that's where the b o c group can and one of the thing i do want to mention is we're probably heard tonight every time we talk about the campus and getting to and from the alexander underpass comes up and it's certainly with everybody consults both sides saying that it should really help the conditions on campus moving that forward it's not part of a high school project but that's a good thing as a question that could could it be part of the high school project you know so we're the best be a prohibits us from doing that well two things one is it's off campus ok so the passion which pressed for me to change their name but they're still meeting we're still you know inquiring about funding for the feasibility study i mean i think the way at that issue we've been told by both of our state legislators is a community path that we incorporated the concepts about on the campus to show how it connects us that a great of him is to be said go ahead and put it in the world will fund it so but i don't think that's going to happen i think there's funny you know the a for that yet i think there's a lot of funding out there for the community path we need to move that for i suppose the issue is could we prioritize that work for as we move forward with that i don't have ideas could someone first before it's done such that it's available as agreed to and not to get into combat discussion but as if that if the path is agreed to in part of the tip and that could be sort of and i guess the one of the question i would have around i'm also support of at least giving the temporary traffic signal a shot i think it's william is well worth exploring in order to get a good read on the impact is there a sense for how much advance warning we have to give the community before it's implemented how long do you have to have it before traffic patterns are just in ways adjusts and you know you actually have a real read on what happens you know what i think i would probably defer to the consultant on this i mean the whole concept of to a temporary traffic signal isn't a new one for me i don't can't recall there ever being one in belmont i don't recall so i have no i have no experience with that we talked on the traffic advisory committee of actually having one in place by september first because we wanted to see what it looked like in full traffic mode my sense is you know where it's not signage and it's and it's true signals i would think that no more than two to four weeks people would get accustomed to it we find for example when we done i think there's a lot more broader point here that needs to be addressed and so it's all i'm looking at that as well i'm looking at the the whole idea of drop off and pick up on congress haven't you jamie and i met this morning and we talked about some of the mechanics of that you know how it would work who would use traffic advisory committee collaborating with the high school building committee more than enough things to deal with from a belief point of view it's a broader issue it's a bit it's a traffic issue within the community it's parking on golden it's it's the traffic on school charade it's the bleeding out on this matter and for a broader point of view because traffic in town is not getting better it's getting and you know that high school building project will exacerbate the intersection become one center and then beyond and i don't know whether we can cure it no i think it's a good idea i think it's it's always good to try things out and this reminds me of when we did the we did the middle school a few years back you know it's truly after we ended up changing the pat the traffic pattern up there so i just almost like you know it's an event right it's like the event in the morning perhaps not as much in the afternoon because a lot of kids have after school sports or after school theater and arts and things of that nature so i don't think you have the same pressures as you do first thing in the morning when i was trying to get the class it's certainly something that could be looked at you know communities around if you've been on a hot well lavin lexington or over it and in watertown when when companies let out they'll have somebody you know help the crush of everyone trying to get to class takes place just you know along those lines we have we have difficulty right now filling out a crossing guard understand the position that they did when wattleton was at the high concord ave i think that since we began the effort to talk try to talk to the building committee and the town about the traffic that will be generated by the high school that we have always asked  analysis a real analysis of the issues that we were raising except for the day accounts that were done at the high school by the traffic  consultant who is a hard worker for the building committee there really has been no analysis everything has been people's you know professional opinions and ideas but no real think the we would like an analysis of the what will happen with the red light i think also while the traffic light is up that the there could be an analysis of what happens if you have golden street one way  what happens if you match what happens to concord ave if you begin to make left turns into the high school from there and maybe people could make u turns or something to find out what happens but there was a suggestion that there be a turning lane i don't know whether we could fit a turning lane on to conquer the avenue without taking down all the trees in the middle east so we have to think of that i think the natural resources and down very important and we are not to be disturbing them so there are a number of thing things that we would like to i think the i think that that effect of what happens on golden street and what happens at the intersection is really important i think the other point that people have and there are just there are some disagreements amongst people about it but what happens if you do not have the entrance echoed street but you have the entrance i will say across from oak street because nobody is suggesting open the median and everybody comes out and has to turn right the way they do now you can't have it down at orchard street because that's where the building is i think so so what would be the effect of that  is it absolutely you know if you have offset but then you have a traffic light that boden you able to do something with the turning motion so that people came get out when they want to go but i think that  i think it's important to figure that out and i'm hopeful that you know the track attack and the board of selectmen can do an analysis of that as well because i think that we have  always amy tan and bomb has generally been the spokesman for the neighborhood group and i think there has always been the sense that with a good analysis then you have a decision but if it's only just people's opinions even if they're professional that's not acceptable i think so if we have some good analyses of these areas then i think everybody knows that it's either the best that can be done or that we can pick and choose been i think the other thing is that we also feel very strongly that and that there can be a suggestion about pay to poc for high school kids expanded bussing what would happen if we lowered the rates had more kids on the bus what would that do what would it do if we had as i said the one way traffic on golden streets no parking on one side of golden street on no parking on one side of any of the streets that yes so there are a number of things that can be done the drop off lanes on crocket avenue i think can be really tried out in the fall you could have a month of drop offs on concord ave for those of us who take the bus unconquered ave we know that many people drop the children off unconquered avenue and then they cross at orchard street so it's not as though nobody does it a lot of people do  what is the effect of one way traffic i know what's a little off but one way traffic on the site as opposed to the two way traffic as i've indicated before and in order to have two way traffic and packing on either maybe an issue of a static spot i think it's also something to be looked at because i think we do have a beautiful site and i think that it's important to make the most of it so  had a lot of conversations around what would happen with the traffic and everybody indicated that it would be better to allow people to pack on the street dropping children off and picking them up then it would be to have more asphalt on the site and so that's what has happened i think that if we had residents of belmont that really didn't disobey the packing  rules and we have people who pack on top of the crosswalk who pack on school street parallel to each other and then there's only a very narrow way in between it's it's complicated it's only complicated for twenty minutes or half an hour at the most so it's not a twenty four hour issue and that's the point is that it's really irritating for twenty minutes and then it goes away so you know issue of the time one ways we had a new one put in a couple years back up up around burbank road just and we just extended it like one more block and not only do i see people remember that that yeah not only do i see people violating it on a regular basis a d p w water truck violated it the other day and i said something to them and got a very rude response to my asking them not to violate the street sign s so to say that it is there isn't an foresman issue i think when we do have these times when ways i do have a question regarding the temporary late i mean we want to get data about how the traffic would move through  but we i assume we wouldn't be able to create a bump out left turn and so it seems like we wouldn't get excellent data that would really replicate the situation you know that we hope to have eventually if we can't have a bump out left turn and a my other concern about it you know from concord ave going west i mean it seems that that's really vital to making that intersection work with the signal so i'm curious about how we would look at the data and you know like we're getting good information the other question is if we have a signal there are we going to get people crossing the road there that we don't want to be crossing the road there yet because we won't have proper and extreme crossing at if we're stopping the cars there are we going to suddenly have students using the i mean i see students crossing there right across anyway i know and it's and it's horrifying i mean it's really like especially when somebody is trying to whip around in the bike lane to get across three because they think  issues ya know we have the answers to them but there's a great point when and that's certainly we can look into all of the details of how that would work i can tell you that from for myself one of my big interests and it's embraced signal that location is how it handles the left i mean you know it gets backed up all the way to trowbridge with but you know i'm conquered and so yes i just have concerns that if we start putting a signal there that we're going to have other behaviors that are still an issue and then we might have people make not paying attention who are coming you know west on conquered we're still going to try to get around those left hand turn people and maybe you know if we exacerbate an already really bad problem there i'm just not sure where i'm i'm not sure that it is i think that we really have to pay attention to like the safety issues if we implement that and so if i think you have surely will have children or kids that will you know if the press has the light try and cross here what out across walk yeah i think that's right yeah  school that there will positively be a cross works there with lights i guess time so that all traffic is stopped for i would imagine so right now would have to be i think i think that's that's correct that's the plan yes so i mean i like the  temporary light i like the idea of a program but i'm not sure if we're going to be able to see a lot of things that we need to see one as less time for traffic if there's more time for pedestrians also the temporary one still going to get all those left those your turn is coming down hour because golden street is subject to a special speed regulation special speed regulations were not eliminated when the legislature created the twenty five mile an hour speed limit  they need the approval of the state to take them down in order to do that you have to demonstrate that that that speed limits no longer applicable is no one's going to less than thirty it's there because people did thirty so we said it thirty  demonstrate to the state that that speed limits no longer applicable which means of a speed study is required and the risk that you run when you do a so fast or the risk you run is that the speed study could show that if you know which has a read in traffic is actually faster so we feel like we leave well enough alone by leaving those signs in place and the reason that we had a thirty mile an hour speed zone on golden street and other places in belmont was because the speed limit is thirty and that meant that nobody could go above thirty when we had a prevailing speed limit of thirty it meant that if you were going forty and there was nobody around you on crocket avenue or going forty five doc couldn't have been seen to be anybody around that was ok as long as you kept a speed safe that is now gone we have a prevailing speed of twenty five and i think the town should be speaking to the state highway department and saying we would like to post the prevailing speed that's why we posted it on conch i'm go to the street and other streets and we want the the prevailing speed posted so people won't go any faster than the prevailing speed thanks in so and i did speak to the state and my thought was that you know for example for my thought was that the reason that these streets have a thirty on there is because at the time the thickly settled speed limit was thirty and so it was a recognition on where the that the thickly settled speed limit was recognized before you actually got to the regulated portion of the road way which in some cases is twenty five miles an hour in some cases twenty miles an hour so i contacted the state i said look about once adopted the twenty five mile an hour can we change the thirty's to twenty five because it seems to me that that thirty was a recognition of what the the statutory speed limits were and then the twenty's and twenty five's with a special speed limits and the state came back and said no your paperwork says thirty miles an hour for this portion twenty to this one whatever your paperwork says under that special speed limit is what you're stuck with if you want to change that you need to do the engineering study and you need to demonstrate that the speed that you want is the applicable speed and as i said once you but once you do that study if the data shows that the trousers actually go on thirty five miles an hour then we don't have the back up in the states not going to accept if you don't agree  cars dropped precipitously no question certainly on school street and i believe on golden street we now have a much lower amount of tickets right speed because of that and people people do slide through it and they should be maybe more in forstmann but j but many people do sat do clearly stop and take turns in terms of crossing through that i think that's right i've seen that the main point that i made at the last meeting last week and i will make again today is  that we want to encourage walking and biking and i think a lot has been done by the building committee recently and working with walk boston to accomplish some of that to make it safe to  walk as onsite but i think that's also an important additional point and that is if we do this further data analysis i think we should start making assumptions that that walking and biking number percentage wise is going to increase it can increase by greater use of buses but it can also increase because when you think and look forward for the fifty or seventy five years that this building is going to exist that there is a real trend going day in our community and other communities that for various reasons convenience and health and so forth there is going to be more walking and biking so instead of just taking the numbers of cars that enter and exit and so forth from today's usage and then just adding the compliment because they're adding additional grades i think that number should and that percentage should be as part of the data analysis we should be decreasing the number of cars that are going on the site and increasing the pedestrians and i think if we do that it also helps out on the traffic issues if we're finding fewer cars and going into the site and i think that's very clear so my feeling is that when the consultants do this further analysis and i ask at the building committee meeting the building committees consultant and the town's consultant should make their analysis with assumptions that there's going to be an appreciable increase in walkers and bikers i mean for i think that's a good point example and if you agree to go to complete streets all of those things are going in the direction that i think that that the town to continue in that direction when it does this data analysis projected circulation patterns have a note that says one of their assumptions is that students nine through twelve walk in carpool more and so i think they've already built into some of their analysis the expectation that they'll be an increase in walking  i've i've kind of asked for additional information on that because my concern is that that that projection may be a valid one you know down the road somewhat but what if what if in the first couple of years of the experience of the new high school we don't have that additional walking in carpool and what does that mean for the traffic impact on the neighborhood and so i think we all want to try to get to a point where there are more people out of cars but i also think that we need to be prepared that at least in the short term when the building opens and it's operating that some people may still be in their cars and so i just think i think there's a balance there and so i don't know if that's something that is addressed in the information you provided today but it's one of the things that i noticed was this recognition that they are projecting that there'd be more people walking in carpool i my understanding and i'm certainly willing to be corrected on it is that in connection with the data that was provided at the the exist ing numbers roughly thirty percent were were drivers going into power thirty percent were going into the site to do drop off then thirty percent were biking and walking and ten percent were being bussed in and my assumption was that those were the same rough percentages that were being used in connection with planning the the new high school there is that fred there's a little growth in there it's not the appreciable growth that i think you're you're targeting state mascot that evaluation and said there their target growth should be so their target should be somewhere around forty percent so if you look at a comparable target of what a good practice is will bring to belmont one could consider that that's probably in the thirty thirty plus range that we should be saying we don't that's not what the traffic study has counted today and it's not the appreciable growth that glenn is growth and there were not appreciable growth because our traffic consultant did i think the right thing is look at it conservatively the what ifs and let's remember i think this was brought up that when the weather's inclement when we have whatever bad days and weather there's a lot more driving that happens even if they were walkers and bikers you see that you know it's a there's a lot of walkers and bikers up in china right now but when definite on day one that would have a that would have a definite impact on the number of cars versus pedestrians and i think also that currently we're making a very convenient for cars to come in and with this wide two way street if we if we make it more complex and difficult and it's got to look at that they were there will be fewer drive it and fewer drop offs and we have a couple of years to go on this right but my my strong feeling is that if the town has a will and if the people are really interested in this objective cost or potential revenue that we might be able to generate through charging students to park which would be a disincentive to do our students to drive and hope we have the market bike and also some analysis and i'll pass this out to the group after we discuss it  what you see in the front is basically with a fee of about twenty five dollars based on about one hundred fifty six spots at the high school which is the present set up we could generate about thirty nine hundred dollars and if that fee goes up to anywhere from fifty to seventy five to two hundred that fee revenue could be about thirty one thousand dollars so school year school year so there are other towns that have charged as much as five hundred dollars a year and some towns that have charged obviously have no charge so we looked into that just to give a revenue streams they think the intent of the request was could that kind of money offset the cost of potentially another bus we also were asked to look at what our fees currently generate that we charge now we charge five hundred seventy five dollars a year to ride the bus and we were asked to look at what would we what would it look like if we reduce that and subsidize it twenty five percent fifty percent seventy five percent and eighty percent so we currently collect one hundred seventy eight thousand eight hundred twenty five dollars a year in bussing fees for grades seven through twelve  if we reduced our subsidize it by twenty five percent we would lose forty four thousand seven hundred six dollars of that revenue if we reduced it by fifty percent would reduce it by about ninety thousand dollars and you could work your way through that and i would give this child out to everybody in the audience when we think of that and we think of how can we if we reduce fees what does that mean to the budget and if we increase buses to be able to provide more access for students to ride buses a bus cost about seventy thousand dollars a year that's about the price of a teacher per year in currently we spend about five hundred sixty thousand dollars a year on bussing interest potations so i will pass out that data to everybody having a sheet that i can provide few but i think it was some of the questions that were asked on friday that we want to kind of give that information to in the last question was can we maybe support getting students off the site by bus for afterschool program now i think at the middle school level you might be able to have a late bus because that after school programs a little more scripted and that usually for about an hour and you might be able to have a late bus go in and schoolchildren out and come out that would be an added cost to our bus contract but for our high school students as we know they're all in such different after school do have these numbers that there that we're looking at and i think that as we have stated earlier we are looking at potentially maybe changing start times to have a separate start time an exit time for the high school nine to twelve folks in the seven through eight folks which will actually be something that we have to look at k to twelve because that could interrupt the current pick up and drop off time for elementary school so over the next year or so we're going to really have to look at all about a drop off and pick up times across the district and have a real clear idea of what we think works for the schools what works for the age of students that we serve as well as supporting the intent that we have to maybe get more students to bike and walk and provide more access we do currently have eight buses we had six just two years ago we've added one each year we think that that's helped a lot and we should say aloud they were only a four square mile town so it would be nice if kids just got up and walked in the side accessible which i think we're doing t so we're all concerned about the traffic related to the new high school and the impact on town and wide problems in that bussing i'm really interested in learning more  thank you for all that good financial analysis i'm wondering if it's possible to get any traffic analysis of if it's been done in other communities what we might expect what would it take off the roads if we had the kids in the buses and  think we should absolutely include that you know to the extent i mean enjoy it i think the superintendent making the point you know a budgets are becoming tighter as we all know that sit here and work you know there's can we find the necessary funds to subsidize further which i think clearly will create an incentive for more kids to take the busses and we think we can build that into their houses here because i think that's part of the equation here there and you indicated that as well that perhaps we need to look at ways to to provide a not only a school related issue but also a time related issue because i think the superintendent rightly says that every time he makes a move to make kids get on the bus it costs them more money but if it was a shared is a shared responsibility and i think than perhaps there might be more enthusiasm about encouraging the kids to take the bus takes in a while while the fellows walking up our traffic it's all educated me that for every student that gets on a bus your cow goes down by four because your entrance to the campus and exit happens twice and drop off and pick up if they're getting a ride so i think that's right at the so this is this is the bill this absolutely out of the lawsuit we can look at this in the right way and certainly informing the board as well because it is one budget that we consider if we could further subsidize transportation and it decreases the amount of car traffic to that site i mean you know it's you know ninety gram and when you think in the larger grand scheme of things not exceed given subsidies that we would need to provide i just know that you know as soon as patrice and i try to do the budget together in the demands of the town side it feels like the to stop driving there's a point at which they will not move go tell the kids and you get home start walking or riding a bike i think but by planning all this stuff and putting the buses out there and all this other type of stuff it's going to cost you was little bit surprised because i think it's pretty obvious if you live on golden street it's really not suitable for the amount of traffic it has right now in the morning if a single person parks their car on the side of the street it creates a sensually many traffic jam because the cars are barely able to pass there and i guess i just want to observe that having more traffic on that street on a regular basis itself be problematic but we're about to go to a system where twenty percent of the school days  have trash cans in recycling bins on both sides in the street which means that you're going to have even less width and i mean i frankly think it's not unless you're that and i apologize if this is already been discussed if the plan is to widen going street then i think maybe a little work fine i think it's a terrible plan but so i just don't see how you're going to get cars to move in the direction they need to go at least on those those tuesdays so  i guess my other point is you know this is basically a main walking thoroughfare for kids going to generate and wellington up and down go up and down go and so i don't understand just logically why we would put so much more traffic on a street like that i mean you know neighbors and i appreciate the fact that some people have different levels tolerance for kids being independent but you know i've seen my neighbors first graders cross the street without looking right and of course you know they talked to him and then the next time they did it again but the third time they didn't but i just don't you know there are young kids walking unintended down the street every school day and i just think putting a ton of traffic on there doesn't make sense it's not logical my my final concern is much more personal and i would just say that you know when we moved from cambridge about five years ago and we have our broker two criteria to look at one was based on accessibility for my wife and the second was based on meeting the e p a standards for being a certain distance from heavily traveled vehicles for my son's asthma and unfortunately you know a plan like this will more or less make the house unsuitable for my son with as much just based on the monitor africa that we expect so certainly hope there's some right and if this is a done deal maybe it is and this is all just like figuring out how many kids we can get to walk and bike and so forth but i would just draw only suggests that i think going straight is a very poor choice maybe for straight up be one thing but i mean it's it's got a little bit of a notch at the end you probably noticed so and i'm not and i do love i love belmont we're very happy here i love the residents we're not that good at four way stops let's be honest i mean i thought about once a week i see someone go right through the four we're running close to to the end here a number of folks coming in for the war knight did you have a quick question comment yes please go ahead and then i think we probably need to wrap here because the league is has there in about seven minutes and we received any real data but opinion and specific to the high school and them out of traffic that would create that there where we expect young children to be walking and yet we're taking you know we've done some protection of the children for the wellington and that has been devised now with the high school placing this on go seems rather l l partly because of its design because there's a median and open median people are taking left turns it seems like we're not being particularly creative who are saying oh well put a light there now and we'll see you know how that goes but we haven't got any data included which remarks when i look at the graphs drawings with you know the back up and how you know one on lower goten you know maybe it takes up to two thirds of the street and now we're going to only take up one third well there are parts of the day where it is ninety five cars one day i actually counted it later in the afternoon all the way down basically to washington street it doesn't look like the drawing i mean there are only counting the number of cars pertaining to the high school so even if we end up having to use a street with a four way light i don't think it should be gotten for the more golden is closer to the mass we have in the center and there's going to be further back up there the further you get away from that it seems if we have to put in a four way traffic light that should not be and should be further away and if excited about the trial you going to do with it goading conquered i would i would ask if you to consider some other ideas into intent to test them run some trials for example what my experience has been i work from home my office overlooks the intersection  i see a number of commuters that come up go down and then take a left on a school to continue into boston if you could experiment with tonight enters on on golden or i think you know similar to what you have on  there right well no keep it keep it on the roads that were designed for the for the heavy traffic understand because it is it is very dangerous you know compliments you the more race intersections the more will slow down this traffic and hopefully keep monitoring to  gets an opinion from legal counsel whether or not he needs to work recuse himself is that we would sort of coordinate lead the effort on the ongoing discussion from a broader point of view within traffic within the community that also happens to impact significant issues here that need to be addressed and i know that full well realize that we're hopefully two years away from a build here but we're not that far away from a dead seclusion vote in the fall in i think it's really important for this community to embrace this project to feel as though the would suggest time that the board sort of takes a leadership role in this i'm very comfortable that i would agree having it's been said and i do appreciate everybody coming out for multiple meetings and continuing to share opinions and i do think that your efforts has changed the approach that we've been taking so