substation contractor b b and b has finished the building all of the code signed off have been completed with the town has two outstanding line items on their paving and landscaping yes paving landscaping to talk about that we can't get that done until september timeframe so we're looking for an exemption or an exception to the two to that to get so we can close out the contracts get a temporary occupancy permit subject to a certain list work that needs to be done and you can go in and start using the building you know understanding i mean i agree with you we don't want to plant landscaping in august here too and that's because we have with the paving is that paving is where the so there's another contractor that's suing some pipe installation for the transmission line they're in the yard right now they won't be done until september so there's not you know we can't get those done i guess my concern is mostly being able to close out the contracts that we have with p b and b and so we don't incur any additional expenses from trying to trying to close out the project so i'm not sure if a temporary would work or  permanent occupancy that have any impact on the contract i think i'll look into it i don't know i just you know we don't we will take all we can get at this point if it if it if we can't close out the contracts as a result and just let you know that's right packages well we well right now we've got a lot of other closings to do so we want to make sure we get that close don't know we're working on closing out you know preparing for the close out of the actual transfer of assets to ever source so you know that this will delay the transfer of assets i would think oh definitely i wanted all of that there is absolutely so we're just trying to clean things up and it's unfortunate that at a certain because we tr permanent certificate of occupancy in september well before the january time to transfer the assets so that should not hold things up is what i'm trying to say why why me have a permit he said to be paving because it's going to be have two more major crossings to do one is one is the blip on with their siting on that now and the other one is crossing that they've had some trouble with the watering they had a pocket of water down the other down the other end right before you get into station five or nine and it's been delaying delaying the project so we're met with ever so as last week and we've got enough room in the schedule to still be dates but it's just one of those things that we still wrestling with so took a lot of a lot of meetings for the last week trying to get the that resolved and the final commission because we're really at a very crucial point now in the communities we're also working with the friends of ale wife and they have you know some some legitimate concerns they only want to know what we're planting in and that type of thing so we're working closely with them ok great so that's that's pretty much it on the substation  to the question i was just wondering from the belmont like department perspective is is everybody are you fully staffed and you have everybody in  place to to do the things that you need to do as far as a substation managing it once it's built you mean you know now you know now through september you have you have your full your force now we have our full staff we are still hiring we have a couple of positions we're still hiring for you know we've got the electrical mechanic position which is going to be important that's basically at the station operator if you will the new substation so that i have to get posted  that will be a critical position but right now we've we've got you know as far as a line workers go that's their only that's our concern right now is that is the line workers because we have hard time getting line workers so we just were lucky that we were very recruited one from my former employee actually had left and to go to test the waters and see what the rest of the world was governed by the bylaws or is there is a that once you build the project in accordance with the submitted plans that the building permit is based on and they go through their inspections make sure plumbing and electrical and structural and everything's to called and all the work is completed and then they get a permit certificate of occupancy ok so the there's really nothing that the board of selectmen can do if it's to buy a lot in terms this you say landscaping and well he i'd say it's landscaping is paving like eighty percent of the challenge he has well it's i mean really has nothing to do with the building for say you know it's the land the site it's more site than it is building so but it could affect parking and right i guess you know it's it's yeah i mean because it's an unoccupied building no and i understand all that i'm just saying that if if the by laws says in order to issue a certificate of occupancy you have to do x y and z in the remedy for a situation like this regardless of how trivial the realignments are is to issue a temporary certificate of occupancy then the question becomes ok you know what is it that that could possibly hold it up and it seems to me that it must be the paving would be the the biggest deal that if you like eighty percent of the problem that i'm just throwing that out is that you e paving is definitely a concern right that's got to get done but it sounds like you need a contractor told we would need a contract to do the job to do that and you and i figured we would probably piggyback on the town's contracts with paving because most efficient way to go yeah you know so that was really what my plan was i'm just trying to save money and i just i get back to you if this will cause any any issues i i don't know if it will i just want to close it out even if you know even i don't even know if it would work but if belmont light took over as far as the permit owner on the on those two items and it's to forgive occupancy for the builder was signed off and just close him out i don't know you know and i don't know all the ins and outs how that would work and then we would take responsibility i guess to finish it but it's just something that came up it's unfortunate circumstance that's all that's all i get back to you on that i work with sammy on it yes  and then i'll back had recommended recommended to the board in june and at that meeting in june we were asked to conduct more outreach around the around the program so we did that so becker and a folks over covered like department looked into the registry motor vehicles to try to locate with some of these vehicles were in town because i was one of the one of the suggestions to talk to the existing levy owners so we did that met with the energy committee and worked closely with the edge of a plan you know community based campaigns around the program and you know jan and he and james you know what the program and so it's been very positive and then also of the energy committee currently sitting on the energy committee and part of a subcommittee to stear efforts to support the electric vehicle program if it comes to pass and just to recap for everybody the select and and jim as a result of our updating of the climate action plan we found that the one segment of our town that is responsible for a huge portion of the emissions and the one portion that is continued to grow instead of shrink as a result of our efforts as a transportation sector and there's only a few ways to really tackle that efficiently and one of the best ways we've discussed is to promote the use of electric vehicles by residents in the town that discussion how such a campaign could look as a result of this successful film onco solar campaign which is a grassroots effort where we engage many many stakeholders and we think that we've got a really viable model that we can build on to promote electric vehicles in the town of belmont in going hand in hand in partnership with belmont light which has been terrific in terms of helping us do an analysis and providing you know this continuing drive to push this concept forward and over that as you mentioned in the late spring and throughout the summer we've met with a lot of members from the community we had a meeting at the senior center we had a meeting at habitat and we've had meetings at burgers several times to talk about people's concerns and people's excitement and we've really found with and also with the help of sage i'd be remiss if i didn't say that they've been extremely helpful in providing technical analysis and support and  we think that now we have heard from a lot of different people it's going to be really important for us to just get started with a pilot program to figure out over the next six to twelve months is our model viable can it work and if so can we build on that to have even a broader and stronger program in the future so we're not going into this under the heard different meetings at the el beck meeting just mentioned at the end of june we did hear about the electric vehicle program and through the four of us thought that it was a reasonable way to proceed  that is there is an assumption here that there are going to be a lot more active electric field approach electric real cols on the road in belmont and if so it would be very helpful in terms of payment capacity payments if we can if they would use electricity on off peak hours so i think that was a general feeling that this was a reasonable way to proceed to star we did i think you probably heard from mark macmini that we do want to get data as this program progresses pretty quickly to be able to evaluate what's going on whether it's working as proposed or or not but that was the general recommendation of the l back now there was one person one member who who thought it was too generous of a subsidy to be generous a program so i mean i do think there's there's still that the energy committee and i'll back over there have been involved with this and what i would suggest is maybe at the right time september october maybe you can come in and give a more formal presentation you know so that belmont can here and also jan clueless the three of us have been on here too you know they represent the energy committee on this initiative specifically because we're all really interested and we feel that more hands better how does that work if you you know as a loan engineer banking person it seems to me that if i have smart meters in all my locations i turn those on have lower off peak rates for elect knowing that i'm actually asking how that how that idea of smart meters time of usage billing would fit into a program like this when we get to that point because then i would buy my electric vehicles plug in the right and it wouldn't cost me as much as it would if i charged that during the day well just speaking for myself time of year traits i think is a bit of a complicated issue who do you do it through all rate classes there are there going to be some winners and some losers i don't know of anybody personally in that limited knowledge in the state that has mandatory time of use rates  so i think that that is a discussion for the future of the time of use rates discussion whereas this is a little bit more mechanical i'd say jim i'm wary the meters are able to register usage during off peak hours and they would be able to bill or recognize those off peak usage which then i think would be subject to a voucher or some rebate at the end of the year if i understood it correctly ok so you believe this program would go ahead without without it's not depended on the smart leaders it's not now not on time abuses because i don't think there are some there's some data suggest that not everyone would behave like you so some people would not be motivated by a change in rate two to necessarily plug in but also on the other hand plugging in an electric vehicle during peak we want belmont residents to be aware of in respect to using electricity at the peak and to avoid it whether it's running their dishwasher and washing machine  or air conditioners or whatever it is so there is going to be an education component about what the peak is and why we should avoid using our electric devices during it to save not only one cell we're incentivizing folks to put in a smart charger that we can control and we can collect data from so specifically just for the electric vehicle what in is talking about is really our customer portal that's going to be coming out it's part of our r p system that we're installing that new system that we're putting in there's a customer portal that's being developed right now and a lot of the communications for that's going to begin in mid august to our customers and that's going to neighbor our customers know what the smart meters to look at their low profile and help change that plus education will help them change their behaviors but what we're trying to do to get people to use use their power more efficiently and this is i wrote down the motion and i'll read it i don't even know what it means frankly move to appropriate amounts recommended by gaspy forty five actuarial opap schedule whatever that means fund right we don't have to wonder to what does it mean as needed and what does it mean to be credited in transfer it so i'm not completely certain that they fully understood what exactly they wanted to accomplish what i thought they were recommending was too there was funding that had take their head it was set aside that had taken place in six hundred thousand plus whatever was time that was needed to be transferred to the term based on whatever the term was doing to fund meaning that from twelve forward what i believe treasury has been doing is drawing on missile like the point in terms of whatever we decided based on a policy to go to fund whatever the poor allocated members of the like the part we're part of that opec calculation we've drawn on that so we've got our percentage share that's what ralph seemed to be suggested in that meeting of watch three or four times  that's the only time that was discussed and i'm open minded about it has been discussed subsequent to that and christina was commenting from the audience they could pick up everything she said i couldn't understand have time of by force that was saying and so he got cut out and he proceeded to say when we want to find between the arc and pay as you go but that's her point of view not the board like boards so appreciate you know her wanted to sort of have a funding for that and that of opap so i'm left with we have some amount of money that perhaps we can and i think the like company or the like hartman has continued to fund there seems to be a misunderstanding even though we're all looking at the same thing that just happened eight years ago  so the idea at the time is confirmed by the you know the minutes that were signed later was that it was supposed to build towards the open and so it's been  they were never authorized to set aside the funds at least unless it's the predecessor meeting prior to their december eighth meet him a late board at that time decision by whomever you see for example in the general manager bill richardson they've that's minutes reflect this meeting right to june two thousand and nine minutes reflect this meeting and the men in the promotion is to appropriate amounts recommended by getting forty five actual rope scheduled we know that well is that right to be credit in transferred as needed to the town there's no comments in there about authorizing the set aside there's no comments of establishing a no pep special stabilization fund and there's no cause if they had specifically said we will we vote to transfer six hundred thousand dollars and i would say let's transfer the six hundred thousand that was the motion that was not the motion so i'm attributing this as as needed whatever that might mean i think it's unclear and the set aside was done frankly without authorization in my mind it was to set aside at that time a six hundred thousand dollars which is done when did the board decide if it wishes a meeting prior to this when did the board authorize the light department to set aside funds for open now perhaps this goes minutes from the light department were not posted with the court it's only after jim and ellen took their positions when they decided to do that right now that does you're saying none of the minutes at the time no were ever posted no not with the town  december eighth meeting and got through a miracle filing a paper actually came up with the december eighth minute and then ellen has checked i guess i don't know how you all found the  to collect it going forward i think the think that's that is the question again so for me if we don't want to continue to collect the four hundred thousand for open then i think that's a decision that we could make but for the three point  million that are sitting in the in the cash account i think that needs to go against and for the light for who agree with you it's your fault i think there are other uses we talked about the rate stabilization fund which we all  greed to at the time number and then we said oh can't get to that because there's a piano impact to them i mean i think there's do we have a cap a stabilization find or depreciation fund to me if i may the reason the other reason this came up was that department that this is what we had decided to do with the board of selectmen bob forster said wait a minute you know that's not that's not my memory of what happened in two thousand and eight and then he came up with with the minutes and then a lot of work has been done to find the minutes at the end to find the to find the approval of the minutes i saw watched the tape so i don't know about forces recollection is or your or anyone else's if you watch the tape you can it's fifteen minutes of let's the tape was doctored that's what the tape says so i don't care what bob's recollection is what the minutes say i watched the tape and i watched it several times i'm sure you did as well jim that's the motion they made what's what's the motion as reflected in the obscure i agree agreed here's the motion the board moved to appropriate the amounts recommended by the gaspe forty five actuarial opap schedule to be credited transferred as needed to the town or beyond all these open special purpose stabilization fun there was further any interest or income generated by the financial be added to become part of the fun that's the motion now tell me what that means that means all that means that you should set aside what as needed forty five says to set a strike on any of these funds recording from the postman and then and then use if you have interest that's generated from those funds you should be adding and i got a plan with the interest component well the interest is going to the general fund now which is not the real you know the way it should be done and i'm not saying there's anything wrong with last eight years i'm just saying we have to deal with this this is as needed ok so the words as needed it was very clear because ralph was recommending that we just put in r l a couple share based on employees within the white department he was they're doing and as a result of eight years of doing that we now have three point two million which you know here they say and here excuse me where they say here to further read you know collect that those funds where do they say here there was an amount that have been set aside up until this point in time but my understanding on that whole issue there was that there were six hundred thousand for that year right those being transferred it was transferred and then who authorized them to set aside six hundred thousand or any other board subsequently decided to set up a separate special stabilization fund for any other departments we have one right and that is with the town treasurer who's investing the funds and we have a policy that includes the light department please as well stabilization funds didn't even exist in two thousand and eight so i mean i just take it for that that it's intended to pay the light companies bills the way gaspy forty five  this motion was exactly in that thing and that motion was approved in june two thousand and nine it was approved right on december eighth two thousand and eight no mark the same way that i mean to be contentious but it's important to me that this gets straight we're improving the minutes from last last meeting right the minutes after noon i understand ok and if we don't approve the minutes then then it's oh i see what you're saying have a disagreement in terms of what that well they've done something i don't think we've been with our discussion yet but have be that what ellen is saying is that the minutes that bob forster provided us with we had no we had no evidence that they were not created out of thin air in two thousand and fourteen you know because they weren't they weren't filed with the clerk so until we found the june twenty ninth and we as a loose work because i had nothing to do with it until they found the  approval and there's a whole e mail thread about how the search was done there was no real evidence that that this it even occurred but then once you have the approval of the minutes then you then you know it occurred so we have been taking we're we have the tape but recommend you have a recommendation in my thinking is that whatever funding had taken place by the time it wasn't funding it had taken place by two thousand and twelve whatever funding and taken place by the town for whatever amount of money that we put so we would understand what that is and move those funds from this set to set aside it's not set aside and separate account would then be transferred into the op of civilization that's my thing ok that's how my mom attributing this because i listen to the  already that's not what he's saying what he's saying is we understand if they like if they set aside six hundred thousand the nationally at least this is my understanding in four hundred every year until two thousand and twelve that's the number that you would know it's not a question of the brain it's a question if what i've always been interested in i'm interested in two things open everything it's are open and what we're going to do with the three point two million dollars right and when we didn't understand that you know that a transfer or that amount had been set aside for open it had been approved because ralph didn't remember that that it happened  you know the idea was ok what do we do with the money and the three of us said well and i think jim was the one who suggested let's put it in which is that the rate stabilization fund which we were all for and then we go to the end of a committee meeting i report that to the permanent audit committee meeting because we have the liability not in the town fallacy as you well understand but on the right the current balance sheet of three point two million dollars by the way rolls up into the town so no i don't i understand how it all works but i'm just saying that accounting is accounting and that's that's where you keep track of your life though these and if you have the cash in the operating account and you have an offsetting life though of these so it was explained as i said bob had this objection to the idea that it had been approved and then he produced the minutes and then and then we got the minutes of provided so now we're still sitting with the three point two million dollars and what we do with that i don't know as you want me to search some more if there's other information out there which well no i'm just going to ask maria to provide us with gadsby forty five for the like to bargain it's as simple as that because it's not all all everything is one it's not that's not the way it works they have they have their have to decide what to do with let's get the gas to be forty five so that the three of us understand what the old have liability and a stanley cup liability as they would like it for the white department understand what it is i understand we get the forty five is i'm happy to look at that if jim that's fine if you want to do for the research on this i'm happy to look at it understand my point of view on this is where i'm coming out in fact i wanted to give the treasurer there was i was going to suggest as a as a topic for a meeting and one of the skies to joint development agreement funding schedule and i thought i would like for it to come in and that perhaps he can be a topic of discussion as well i mean he wore it in the one hour as we need to start at five to make sense or do i that's at six thirty right time twenty six yeah probably five thirty that's ok because i think the system in suggest i mean i'm happy i'm trying to keep an open mind and what other information really want to provide around this issue so we can make a decision that it makes sense i think it's an important mean i think once had a set of cyan to the extent that we have capital needs we can put it there in that sort of some extent stabilize rates by not having to you know we're going have a significant potentially concerns about other account and said you know opel i believe you're not phantom liabilities of the real i completely agree with you know if you have three point two million to put against the sixty million they go oh that's what we should do if i was in capital needs real as well so don't think we have an opec policy in place and i'm supporting that ok so thank you maria appreciate it if you don't feel like you're in the crosshairs here but help us understand this so we can vote on the twenty six  pinkerton travis front and sarah jackson that's great i think it should decide on out of appointments i think we have an ability to we've had  associates that's great so we have one two three four five six so i haven't looked at the case and so can we decide to appoint on the twenty sixth jennifer short yeah you know you're saying we have two full voting member resignations we have those two plus additional two i think that's it right now three of you right now correct and i did yeah it did i just get it read the names and yeah and  need to provide to each of you what i thought would be good times to meet so can you let him know whether that works to try to pick a meeting a month their first meeting in september there's a legal women voters meeting something you can't change what was said at the meeting through the minutes because it was factually not true and not always had to sing yeah i'm suggesting that if we're going to talk about the minutes i want to do you want to point that out oh ok