start with that bullshit and what happened in terms of the e mail or the letter afterwards eight different than eight different motions were different modification was filed that had a difference is that to leave something out is different than to categorically state something you know opposite sequence i don't think there's anything more of counsel the point is what did the trial judge do did he or she abused their discretion when they found this is a violation but i'm not going to pose a sanction i believe so would be what it isn't that really what you're saying as opposed to an interpretation would allow i'm sure when a party is successful in the litigation in the foreclosure action whether it be affirmative them a little bit please check the docket you become a little closer to the mike is sure they don't get she merely sighs the motion and notice that motion it's not like in federal court where it actually just sat with the entire title of the motion on the docket so i think it's objective really reasonable if you are looking at the docket sheet that if you just see a motion and notice that motion do you're going to try to do that sort of an inquiry if someone follows the motion don't you think you want to go look in find out what kind of motion was file say motion to even fill in the blank bit oh well it's a motion but i don't really need to bother myself with the content of the motion you're not trying to argue that that was not the state that we probably should have may not have been consequential but this is the practice of law and we say practice we don't mean it's because we don't know how to do it we call it the practice so far and it requires there as attorneys october the docket sheet says motion in notice of motion and assuming even though there was a transfer of counsel of the time that new counsel got the file and should have had a copy of their him there and you know these things were not the needn't have happened if somebody had read the fine mail so i guess i'm wondering at these motions is it ok that these motions are just generally answered oh years one of these motions so incurred it's not clear whether these were incurred from the actual track in the filing of the motion for stations or some other basis so for that reason the trial court correctly deny the defendants motions for sanctions if you want to talk more specifically in motion to voluntarily dismiss the complaint without prejudice of the bank even stab at them in march is march fifteenth hearing that all the defendants had to do was dating needed more time they could have told the court that they wanted their own motion to dismiss her but they did none of these things and said they said that they had no objection i would have i mean they could have done several things but does the plaintiffs have an absolute right and going on a fishing expedition what about his argument a fraud on the court i mean there is this underlying issue of what comes before a court should be done in good faith even though it's not a standard here it's an underlying that this particular person's activities have been identified possibly you know other cases and when the name pops up an opportunity arises and maybe this is not a good foreclosure so so you're saying we need to be pleading that it brings it to the court's attention and the various relevancy possibly to their curre because first of all in this case it was the bank's motion not the defendant's motion and it was dismissed without prejudice so i think this is a fleeting victory but what about the most under the posture of this particular case what about the motion to big they've got a chance to tour the defense got the chance to respond to these really whatever motions and in pleadings relevant to their cause before the court again they didn't have that opportunity sides too although i will concede there's no case was set up to fifteen ten simply said these allegations are out there you haven't answered the default thinking that's right but i think don't you think there should have been he didn't say that the allegations are true  didn't say this d l and he didn't say i am bound by a truck or suv truck or to have made these findings of concerning this person in other cases he just said the allegations are out there you need an answer i'm going to what the weather's like i mean i know what you want to do that you have to do you don't you have to give the other side notice of what you were issue is before you got be and your motion for default did not it's over you don't