education at what's considered a slight different woman school that they classical and she's worked for the board for about twenty seven years during the course of that time she was always rated as a superior excellent teacher never been disciplined and she they considered to be she thought she submitted three emergency contact forms in which she listed the south loomis chicago address as one of her addresses that was an address where she had grown up on her parents live there her parents own debts and she considered it to be her for a little bit before hand and then he came back took up a science of mischief of science or mathematics position which is a special needs position a city chicago which entitle you to apply for a three year waiver of the residency policy he got it and you're right it did expire at one point  allowed to enroll the computer system would not allow the child to be enrolled in school that's correct doesn't mean in your whole case hinges doesn't that mr hill jones is a defense that she didn't know that to attend  a school in illinois is done by residency and therefore when her child went to first grade she does not a resident of this couple of public school district which miss jones knew she just didn't know your client didn't know that she couldn't bring her child into a different school district and attend at that school when the school is a special school most to chicago schools you can attend if you're not resident really could you cite the statute for that proposition or just said that your clients knew that if she was going to have her nonresident child attend she'd have to pay tuition is that what you're suggesting my client believed that because she was grandfathered in under the residency i'll say anything that she did not have that if she's lived outside the city of chicago since i was nineteen november of ninety six she's grandfathered in the policy doesn't say if that applies to still there as well right however statutes do right state statutes provide have since the turn of the last century since at least in the early one nine hundred probably well into the hundreds of that you must attend school the school district are obligated to provide free schooling for children who reside within their districts and children who not reside within those efforts must pay tuition to the district where they do not live but wish to attend would you agree with that yes that's correct that's what the school coach says as well in zero four and even though it's just a sign and mentioned this in both briefs that the nonresident students to pay tuition if they wish to attend the district other than where they reside if that's correct is the residency policy waiver did not change that statute that's correct what happened with one hundred twenty five thousand dollars i have no idea i don't know if they've moved to enforce it i'm not sure if they filed a civil action to force it sometimes they do sometimes they don't i can speculate i don't know i mean they have a sign they sometimes they sign it out to a third party to try to collect so they take about twenty eight positions for kindergarten for everybody else it's a secondary entry for first through sixth grade and it's based upon how many fake positions are there and i think that's and we have occasion was that there were six hundred to seven hundred applications is your reviewing the board of education's decision however with credibility findings which were made in this case under the case of hedging or those are the those are basically if decisions made by the hearing officer the person who sat in their well she found that my client submitted three emergency contact forms with the south loomis address she did not find that my client submitted the registration cards ok and based upon harm done there is no damage to the students is that correct i believe that there was no harm done while the board does state that there are possibly worse positions that could have gone to other students we don't know how many positions were actually they're not harmed by that your right to position to positions went to the students we don't know if those were two of the allotted twenty six positions for each of those grades or if maybe a special twenty seven position was created for the students there's nothing in the record to indicate how well in roman documents as what would be in roman documents were submitted by her and she says she used the south holland address it later with the school clerk came and said the computer systems not accepting it we never actually  the criminal code that is offensive there's a mutual mistake of fact or law to to prive someone of the intent element of crime and in this case that's what we argue that my client matter of criminal right the boards to the court agreed in their brief that there was no criminal judges an applicant has a better chance of getting into harvard than getting into mcdade academy in the most recent class of harvard five point nine percent of the applicants were admitted mcdade in the last school year there were five hundred to six hundred applicants for twenty eight slots which works out to be four point six to five point six percent the reason it's a moral here for this teacher to have taken the slice not only to it make day but also one at morgan park high school which is also selective in rom school his because three kids in chicago whose parents paid taxes who live in chicago didn't get those very valuable seats that's why we believe that it was immoral but that's what ms jones did the hearing officer actually found that she submitted one registration form and two emergency contact forms the hearing officer found that when registration form two emergency contact forms listing this listing this address in the south of chicago she can see that on the record she didn't live there she didn't pay rent there her name wasn't on the mortgage she it was i don't know how the hearing officer could really find that she really believed that it was ok for her to use that address because if she really believes that then why on the registration card and why on the two emergency contact forms which you have use the chicago address it's true that she applied with the south holland address and that was perfectly fine you can do that you just have to move a my case that's the and i guess just that you know what do we consider to be immoral but what people of the general good people in society believe to be wrong and i think most people in society would believe it's wrong for you jones registered her for morgan part she put the chicago address so if she thought her kids were grandfathered in why did she but the chicago address makes no sense and the  excuse she worked for the board for more than twenty years she was there at the school and this is a that even the hearing officer said the competition for these slots is fierce so i just think it's pretty incredible to think that someone  who worked there for twenty years didn't know that you had to live in chicago to get one of those slots and even if she didn't her ignorance of that regulation was no excuse for her failure to comply with the law has any disciplinary action taken against any of the people who live in ca knew that these school which makes you wonder but not not that i know that's not the record and there's nothing in the record indicating how the children got in the school meeting to the test in four weeks given an exemption that is in the record that they the final decisions of the board under thirty four eighty five section one of five miles c s five thirty four eighty five now go directly to the appellate court we'd asked for that change in the statute because it was taking so many years to get through the chancery division that the not engage in immoral conduct here she what she had was a mistaken belief she wasn't doing what mrs podd did missa model was representing herself to be a c p s ministre her to get free simplifies from a private organization which she was eventually pulled from the school after the fifth grade and he went to a school out soon enough south holland