there's obviously a lot of different opinions about what should happen with it not just my name but lots of different and i suggested that the commission consider them a short term interim measure to sort of buy time so until everything is figured out until there's a plan should something could something be done to protect the area because otherwise it's sort of a waste of time why work on a plan for a year that's fabulous if then development happens in the interim that conflicts in maybe that impossible to ever she and john foote said does that mean you're asking for a moratorium on development and i said no that seems kind of extreme i don't know exactly what the answer might be needed it would be reduce take out retail use from the table pieces from the commercial district or reduce the size of buildings allowed or eliminate from part you really get a response about whether or not the planning commission was would consider an interim change to the regulations to protect the district now so it's too late to make that one and we don't want to make changes every six months so i think the earliest move you do that is here know how others feel about into a size maximum within like four days why what i'm not i think it's reasonable that when you're doing a lot of due diligence and planning that you would only go left for once all that planning was done but in the meantime sort of like letting the horse out of the barn and i want to remind you that this is not just my personal opinion that you don't like the current regulations the current regulations are failing to grant a town plan there were over a hundred people that signed petitions to the select for the select board itself participated in the appeal and said that they don't believe that this kind of development is consistent with the town plan they were monitoring agency for a natural reading of our national resources council is saying this kind of domain is harmful the university of vermont says this kind of development is harmful to vermont department of health says this kind of development is harmful so why would we  important in the extremely simple change to the regulation to prevent and least until we know if this is really what we want for the long term and has made changes so the regulations that they're looking at aren't necessarily final but they voted on it seems like it's kind of in a state of flux so that would be one change one way of at least preventing retail development from that area just until you decide that's it you're never like yeah retail ok then but for right now that is at another option would be to limit the size of the building to something reasonable like six thousand square feet and the other option would be to make front part you know those are sort of some of the most but are conditions according to the court are ambiguous and they don't clearly state that what they state is oh it should be in the village center but there is no  black or white passed so if it's gray then did favors flexibility and so when you actually go through it the regulations don't produce the result that they're trying to produce which is for the union retail for commerce for people to access things not to buy cars and to be able to access those things in a village center it's not my plan it's the town plan and the regulations don't do what the town plan says close to did their outlook they are in conflict and it was tested in court and the back to the haiti r p planting of our rivers right was already recognised as a problem and there was talk of not a roundabout or m what the results regulations produce so we have an opportunity to do something quick and temporary let's do something  of the vacant area now if you're talking about retail new construction maybe that's something i would consider or i think what's more appropriate to deal with you know the previous i would i would i would think in this through first i would separate stewart's comment in regards to riverside property and your comments about the commercial district  actually and i don't think this is the venue to influence your concern right not sure this is the the place to do that but i mean i think your comments fair enough about the other matter i i did  carefully parse my way through the understanding that the regulations as they existed did in fact allow the use that was proposed for the dollar general but the bigger question is whether you know that's a good idea in the first place and and i have to say in the long term i not jumping up and down that there would be a lot of retail in that and i don't think there's a lot of people in town that want to lead a retail in there other than perhaps some of the interested parties that would benefit from something being there i just don't get the sense other than people who have lived here a long time or have a lot of property or wealth of that a lot of people want a lot of commercial development it's the elephant in the room i just don't see a lot of people wanting that to happen except as a matter of principle ok dammit we ought to be able to do what we want of the land that's a different thing so i would consider that but i am really concerned about and we face this with the the noise ordinance with the people who run the dirt bikes which happened to be people that i have met and you know like you know a little bit and i get it you know but we w were we it was requested that we drop everything and cook up some kind of regulations to address this single issue and so although i agree with what you're saying i'm a little concerned that this month we've got this and then five months from now there's somebody else would you just get this one little thing through the snow white board that makes me a little nervous and that feels a little sloppy but as far as the overall principle i gotta wonder if that doesn't go along with this vision of so if you were to decide that you wanted to take the route of causing a pause but not allowing any commercial development will you resolve this real or perceived ambiguity hearing not that's not to say i'm ready to vote right this second i'm just saying i would consider the idea i'm i'm mindful of of i wonder if it affects the value of the property there michael the guy who just bought that pizza place and you know  think holy shit now what am i going to who's my business that i just lose value to my business because this is i'm now in a twilight zone you know how does that affect those people there well so the mind a little hope the only other you know the other issue that i regard to all that that that i have happen or that i would braze or that i would bring up is that i'm not sure people want my business there i am a commercial business and and even though that's the commercial district and that's where we want commercial businesses i don't know that people want my business or my guys rolling in it five forty five in the morning and there's trucks and we turn lights on  dollar general i was and it was never about the dollar general if you're going to have a dollar general it should be in a village center that's what this is and so what i'm telling you guys in is it's not clear enough to do that so you can talk talk for three years about whether or not your business should be in the commercial district right now it should be and a dollar general should not be technically it is because of the table  uses it is because there is no size limit and it is because that kind of place forms from parking and we allow it so even though it's you know it's a it's a clarification of the existing regulations and i don't know that that's a substantial variation from what they've already warned or whatever i'm saying if it is it is ok and there is a timing issue but  does that mean you know you guys you're not going to work on you know i've been coming here for a year and i've had the same request for a year it's not the first time i've made the request so i'm sort of drawing the line in the sand i i going to do something different because what i'm doing is not working it's a year and a half later and there could be ten obligations coming in for retail strip development in that area and then everything that we're doing is foolish you're wasting your time don't drive around in the big commercial districts don't worry about the regulations because the development will happen it's like life happens while you're making other plans that's what will happen so i'm not saying tonight but in the agenda for the next meeting and quite honestly l as as a perv your inner critic is it might be you think about this a lot more and between meetings and a lot of us do is have coming and i was not last names i wasn't here you know that i do that but you know i'm just like one person and i think you live our credibility and you have the big picture and you have all these other discussions that are not familiar with this so that your normal secondly i'm not saying necessarily so you know if i that is really sort of a yes or no if you'll put it on your agenda and talk about it the next time even if you vote no i'm ok with that because at least that's taking action that was and i think the next step is for people to just sort of take it so we look through the heinz word survey and said you know a lot of this isn't relevant and jennifer has recommendations for questions and other folks have recommendations for questions i think think that the next step for the survey again is we need to get clear on which what question you want to include and i think john was in a talk with the town about getting you know i'm happy thompson from the conservation commission today and they're getting pretty far in terms of some recommendations for you on incorporating the natural resources data into regulations specifically that they're going after the natural resources overlay and trying to decide how they could improve that definition and what sorts of protections we could figure out and it's not just you know no bill kind of actions it's like you know a nuanced menu of options so they think that they could meet with you the first meeting the second meeting in working with the ends and they're so good that they're going to try to do something that's basically a finished product and then we'll just it should be just been passing by actually think ok that's something that might be good  yeah you will have to come up with wording on the fly or anything you know hacking plex like that if that works then the dear abby had said that they would like to do a joint meeting with you in one of their regular meeting days so i don't know how thursdays or for you but the third thursday and then the fourth thursday so i think i think that's good john if you want to maybe just run it eight thirty and then we could go into executive session see how it goes i'm as they said in a memo back in the stone ages the way planners were hired is the planning commission received resumes went through the resumes picked the ones we like all they of course have the final say the last two hires it was a different process and i'm not i simply felt that there was a disconnect on the part of the planning commission this has nothing to do with this has nothing to do with make our own recommendations we did not i'm not sure we have the opportunity to discuss as a group like each individual board commission member who is a like these three ye not making a value judgment on how it turned out i really feel the planning commission should have a bigger role in the site understand the decision is being made by the source but to have one person and it's a person who has time back from the start so what do you recommend i would really love to go back to having the planning commission interview the plan then make a recommendation to the slightly and then perhaps the planning commission could recommend the top three to select for interview the top three obviously get the select ward the town administrator they're going to be having a lot of contact with that person that the job has a lot of  i guess my my preference would be kind of along those lines i mean i think this whole thing is ultimately exclusively in the purview of the select board so we can make a suggestion if you just back to the way if they'd like to but i like the idea of a committee sort of screening if there is say there was a body of applicants you know that may be planning commission and d or b members or something do some initial screening come up with two or three candidates and forward on to select which is to help them out that sort of puts screen eight applicants and then pass on to three right in the principle of the superintendent through three pick one of the school board rubber stamps it but sort of him idea that people who are going to kind of day in day out we're going to put this person experience i mean i i think i agree with there's a lot harder to the fact that as important as the planner is to the planning commission the planning commission to the planets look at reciprocal the plane heard does a lot of other things and right town and so i think that i think i'm conflicted about i think that the planning commission there needs to have a role and it's not just one person especially with the make up of the planning commission that we have right now in that decision process but it's not our obviously everyone saying it's not our decision to make i think but i agree with phil is that there is an opportunity for the whole planning commission or at least a pretty large proportion of the planning commission to get two to participate as opposed to one person because i wouldn't necessarily feel comfortable why it's such a valuable committed commission at this point you know i think i think that's how it should be so i really agree with bill that it shouldn't be left to a single person i'm not sure i agree when i agree with that and agree that completely i simply on that and then you're not sure you want to narrow or are in that same sort of thing and i think it's a little odd that we who have very limited contact with her web site twice a month will be the one selecting the final ok does that work for you yeah ok so we've got preserving the character of the village centers controlling traffic congestion is this an issue that people think should be here that feels very no very discreet to take it off yeah ok i've heard of maybe we could combine that with maintaining transportation issues transportation i like it transportation has its own thing did not necessarily in this order but preserving the character of the village centers transportation affordability and preserving natural resources community infrastructure is an excellent we haven't talked about water parks digital connectivity economic and job growth is that is there a better way to word that for all the discussions are having but it's not i think it's important personally and but i'm not sure it's important to the to the town the same way infrastructure is for preserving our natural resources like the town don't disagree with you i just i'm just in terms of trying to i you know we're working on this recommendation to shorten the number i could give our view if we explicitly use the word senior in any of these transitions i think maybe that's enough preserving the character of the village centers transportation affordability preserving natural resources community infrastructure economic and job growth managing growth and development senior housing and services other i think i think that's a yeah it should read reason and i probably like that or not like i feel that there is a sense of community and that's what they're like so the first three are places and then the fourth one is in the in a different category in question three residential development district point anyway because we want to keep the river so we want to i think we want village center is a district on the map and the commercial district is a district on the map we need is a rural areas everything else yes all residential development was i only suggested this as a general question based on the unbelievable stuff i hear in my office every day ellie i want you to see it i want you to hear and understand like how people do or don't even perceive that there's a problem in terms of growth you know i thought that might be useful to  to do that if you don't want to i mean and you know question three in question were really kind of good at the same thing for me to choose one of the other you know that these are just things i jotted down quickly just to get your minds think believe the town is spending money on preserving open space or with the other rivers property i don't get it we're just going to be essex and i'm comfortable as being us x and we hurry up and get there already and like the whole concept of sprawl and fifteen it's like you know these are people who think of this is a like a good thing or  now could before we go through it like before we eliminate four i would like to figure out and maybe not here or a different way to ask of people support the town with it doing for now that you're ok