class restaurant bar and liquor license application contingent upon fire marshal approval and with all standard conditions for the safe and corporation doing business at the scupper one forty eight church street  corporation doing business has discovered one forty eight church street but like the movie approval of the two thousand and seventeen two thousand eight hundred outside consumption permit application contingent upon church street marketplace commission approval thank you the oppose we stand adjourned at seven twenty two pm and please join us in the pledge of allegiance first order of business is the agenda i'm not showing the updated changes and going back a zero seven resolution adopting city council voting process for selecting a burlington telecom buyer on nov twentieth twenty seven twenty seventeen counts the roof right perkins the roof thank you's are second to that motion counselor dean seconds or any discussion on the on the motion to amend and on the agenda see none on favor please say aye and he opposed then we have our agenda thank you very much  we will go ahead and get into the public forum start just a tiny bit early and we can set the clock for three minutes and we will start with kelly divine to be followed by charles st hello i'm kelly divine i'm the executive director of the burlington business association i'm here to speak about the proposal to put forward the approval of the form based code i know that several cancers and other members of the committee have worked a long time on this proposal i want to thank them for that effort i attended the few few of the meetings and had some of my staff attend them and it was really powerful to see how the committee work together  i think that moving to form base code has been an idea that has been on the table for a while going all the way back to plan b t v it's really exciting to see plan b t v items moving forward  i think that it has the possibility to make a real difference in how we do development downtown so my organization is in principle supportive of the form based code as approved i've heard from several members and had discussions with folks over the last month or so expressing some concerns about the portion of the code that deals with the energy conservation requirements i know that i attended several meetings where the committee spent a lot of time on that as well i'm hoping that following the adoption of the code that some members of the administration the planning commission can get into dialogue about adding some further clarifying language to that section there's a couple of codes that are i think interesting that we could consider that could be part of the code in addition to the requirement for lead gold certification so looking forward to the possibility of having that discussion with the planning commission but basically speaking in support of the code thank you thank you charles thorpe to be followed by andrew simon colorado state law requires municipalities to hold public referendums before they can provide services like broadband access and as of tuesday's elections technica reports thirty one of the state's sixty four counties have opted to allow local governments to build broadband networks erling to the head of the strand i hope we don't fall behind in it i urge you to keep pearlington helicon local thank you very much thank you suggested the last meeting it is about the vision that we have for a city that's more than a corporate tech hub a job creating machine a growth engine a tourist destination i'm supporting the co op it despite all the challenges which some of you have exhaustive lead to scribe because the best fits the identity i see for our city a bold young center of innovation people who work together and take ownership of and pride in their own creations but the city that i want to live in does not forget the central importance of its water its air it soil and does not back away from challenges of lawsuit and regulatory approval does not sell its assets to corporations are investors who offer lucrative packages but have no commitment to this place i want to see would actively engage resident who want real control over their future we want a voice at the table a share in our own telecom system a chance to help make the important decision to head when you take up this issue again please do not tell burlington residents that the issue is too complex for us to really understand and please don't repeat the topsy turvy argument that i heard at this council that when more people show up to speak out for k b that indicates that it's likely that most of the voters hold a different position please don't forget that we are watching what this council does and says and decides in our name i do want to thank you all i do for all the time and the many hours of work that you put into this issue i know that you have and i thank you for it however i expect to work very hard this winter for the candidates who most closely share the vision i have for our cities identity i invite barbara grill and then linda area people just coming any weapon to sign up if you would like to speak a public forum we got started a little bit early to make building easier for developers that is what the buzz word predictability means form base code is to architecture what paint by the numbers is to are we will get bland cookie cutter buildings for the rest of burlington it will stifle the creativity that burlington deserves we don't need it the mall the ireland property came playing college dorm and half a dozen other smaller  projects have been greenlighted under present arrangements it is poorly understood after two years of committee hard work and thank you can lots of meetings which i attended as well do you as councillors really know what form base coat mean for the neighborhoods you represent form base code takes into account only density to establish forms and codes burlington has unique topography sloping down to the lake as it does form base codes does not consider how increased height in the downtown will block views of the lake for everyone up the  hill lastly and perhaps the worst aspect of one base code is the reduction of the role of the development of a review board and therefore public voice an input the interest of public process that changes it improves buildings will be curtailed in the interest of making things easier for developers this favoring of the for profit corporate sector over the public warriors in the public good is alarming as alarming is after all all of that the real issue in the burlington telecom the cable t v debate it's boilerplate republican idiology and progressive and democrats who people have built healthy organizations since since that time that thrived to this day and are touted by our officials these include c n n river co op which started not according to their history but it did start in about seventy one i think or the people's free clinic which morphed into the wonderful health center that we have on riverside drive the women's health vermont women's health center that lasted for years for a linked in electric peace and justice center which started thirty seven or eight years ago i urge you to keep the t local i think that what our residents can do when they work together is amazing and powerful we've got a lot of precedent set that are really important to the city and i hope that you consider  everyone over one hundred people raise their hand every one of your constituents here if we have a democracy that should mean something to the council as a whole i ask you does it saturday the crossroads vermont conference on social justice took place at champlain college was senator sanders as a keynote speaker participating organizations like the perak and others repeated their commitment move the approval of the two thousand and seventeen two thousand and eighteen in tory indoor entertainment permit application for lincoln's one one ninety one college st the following conditions all city permits need to be closed out and with all standard conditions thank you second from councillor dean yes i'd like to move the two thousand and seventeen two thousand eight hundred indoor entertainment perp and permit application for saf ont corporation doing business as the scoffer one forty eight church st with all standard conditions very good discussion cancer bush or yes just a question president nobel for the committee members somebody on the second page of the application that said me the applicant who who is asking for floor shows is looking to recreate the scoffer he's a new owner of the business and so he is not he's looking for an opportunity to develop the entertainment you know venue and offerings in the future we did not specifically question him about what he thought about floor shows but in general the what we heard from him is going to be very low key this is not maybe not so serious so i just wanted to better understand what that really meant so but it's consistent with i mean the size of the of the establishment is pretty small so i guess i  agenda and is from our director of public works mr spencer regarding proposed adjustments to hours of enforcement and this is removed by council or bush or so i will go to council bush or thank necessarily required but that's really up to him i did have a question which he answered this communication which is very complete and will be brought to the public works commission this wednesday for consideration talks about the hours of enforcement that are currently in existence and a study that has been done  shows a change in those hours and so the recommendation in this communication just so that people know what i'm talking about is currently we enforce from eight in the morning until ten at night and the recommendation is to begin in force minute nine am as opposed to eight am and two and forstmann at nine pm it talks in this communication specifically about on street enforcement my one question for cheap and spencer was does this really mean just on street or does this apply to the parking lots and and all parking downtown and he said it applies to all of the parking scenarios in the area that is currently being enforced downtown so if there are parking lots in this area they will also have those hours scaled back so i wanted that clarity  so i proceeded to say that although i thought the report was very complete that i have been pretty clear in my concern of extending the hours of enforcement to where they are right now and i certainly support rolling them back but i thought that the information even could support rolling the back to eight pm and so i made that comment to him i felt they were almost as compelling as moving them back to nine pm and then i won't be able to be at the public works commission so i'm hoping that one of the counselors will make my comments to the commission who will actually act on this but what was really important for me was to have a conversation with him about this year now in burlington with the we're about to embark on some significant changes in construction and i wondered if the committee had talked about really that impact and how we could attract or keep people coming downtown i'm concerned about that i work at the hospital and i have really serious about this and it was very disturbing to me to hear people that i work with say well there's hardly any retail downtown anymore so i'm not even going to consider this for my christmas time shopping and i'm i was i said wait a minute no the church street is still there you know i don't have to argue with all of you you know what's downtown but i was concerned about this i was concerned that people had said that you know it's expensive to park and now if i'm not going to combine it with going shop christmas shopping and eating downtown i might just forego it so i wondered if the committee had thought about how can we be smart about this i understand there's revenue being generated but i'm saying this to the mayor too that maybe we should be actually offering some more free parking to make people continue to to encourage people to continue to come down and i'm not talking about it forever but i'm talking about it right now to set the tone that we are ok that you can come down you can access the retail that's down here you can access restaurants you can access the flan it's not going to be that disruptive and i think there's a perception and we all know that perception can be reality for a lot of people that we are going to be sort of off limits so my biggest concern is was that thoroughly discussed are we forward thinking enough to realize what this could really mean for us and the stores and the restaurants downtown so i'm really serious about this and want to make sure that this is explored carefully before we act on it thank you very much thank you can also wish or i think the action is to move to accept the communication he said on file and i w meeting on wednesday and advocate for i am glad that it's getting rolled back to nine an increase tonight in the morning but i would like to see if it could be rolled back to a at least i think this is discouraging some shoppers i'm hearing from businesses council bush or for bringing that to our ten four point zero four as a public hearing regarding burlington's comprehensive development ordinance kelso mason i think the actions to just open the public hearing at the ok so i'd like to open up the public hearing on changes to our community our comprehensive development ordinance z a number eighteen dash zero one plan b t v downtown code  is there any member of the public who would like to address the council specifically on these proposed changes to our downtown code the prince of dillman order this is the form based code magruder statements and i i think i agree with his statement that this code stifles creativity but at the same time i would say that the creativity has largely been stifled  in most developed and projects by existing code by budgets and other considerations that all go into the building design and what this does in lieu of that is to actually force developers to give us better buildings i don't think we're going to design a space needle under the foreign based code in fact i'm pretty sure it doesn't it's not going to work  it is our hope that this raises the bar for developers not lowers the bar despite the fact that it puts more constraints on development we have tried to create a vision for the downtown and i know i've been when i started on the committee we thought that it might be i think was a couple months we projected right david but it's been years we have gone through a tremendous amount of public process we've been through the n p a several times and i think that this is worth trying for burlington i will expect that it's going to be need to tweaked along the way because it's a fairly dramatic change in our zoning ordinance i don't think the vision for it the vision for it comes directly out of plan b t v so it is our community vision that we're trying to execute for through this code and i'm sure we're going to find places where we're successful in doing that in places where we need to make adjustments but we have worked very very hard to make as many of those changes before adopting this and i am fully supportive and grateful to all of those who served on this committee and the probably close to fifty meetings that we had and thank you especially to our chair andy montreaux ll who was very very helpful in bringing the process eventually to closure thank you thank you counsel shannon and the other counselor so this certainly is a body of work that i know that i don't know if it's a labor of love but it's a body of work that and all lot of people have put a lot of effort into and and i find this  to be as stated predictable but i also find i have concerns about it and as i look at this i am really thankful that it is not in the residential areas however it is and in inform district five there are some residential areas there so why am i concerned about this i'm concerned about and i have from the very beginning not about the predictability of of the size of the structure of the height of the structure and and all of the nitty gritty i concerned that we as a city said that we would do this and we would also adopt this by right which excludes pub the public from having any opportunity to weigh in if it's administr reviewed and no right to appeal and i feel that that didn't have to happen we could have done a process where the public would have got informed by administrative approval that could have been on the consent agenda or an informational agenda attached to a d r be somehow or other we could have allowed the public to have a voice if something really wasn't auto k because they know their neighborhood they know their section of the city that we really needed to bring to people's attention and i'm really concerned about that elimination of our community our residents from having a say about what happens i really am i'm not going to be supporting this and that's very sad for me but i'm not i don't support it because i don't agree with the height in either form district six or five i don't as i said agree to the exclusion of the public i don't agree to building to the property line which necessitates the right of going of having to go into the city right of way we just saw that with the town center there was  a a resolution i'm not opposed to bat but i don't think we should be building we shouldn't allow buildings to necessitate going into the right of way i think that that's not good planning i don't think we should always be encroaching on our right of way i think it occurs it happens and we consider it but i don't think planning a having a plan that most that allows that on a regular basis by right is the right thing to do  also concerned because as i said the height and the form district five which really is you know wraps around the downtown core i'm concerned that once again now there is going to be added height there and now we're we're removing the buffer from the downtown to now as we move up the hill into the neighborhoods and so once that buffer is gone then there goes another neighborhood and then if there's going to be more rationale for just losing the residential component and having this height which may or may not be appropriate i do agree with councillor shannon that you know you will we will learn what's good and what's bad in here and i and i think that people have got together to try to make sure that it does more good than harm and i appreciate that and i respect the people that were on that committee both planners and city councilors so no complaint there but  i really am concerned about the things that i referenced the last thing is that i appreciated the pictures but when you look at the pictures included and you look with what pictures you look at in our community that allows us to potentially deal with the multifamily and the size and structure you compare existing you compared the older structures which are interesting and intricate and then you compare them to the new structure which is blocky and ugly and cold and not inviting you can do anything you want with the doorways to invite people in but a structure that is square and steel and metal and is not interesting doesn't invite me or intrigue me at all so i you know i understand that you can do canopies and i read it all i mean not every word but i read most of it  and i am still not there so i hope that we do if i know this will pass but i certainly hope that there will be effort to right the wrongs that could have could result from this and i'd really like the planning commission and i know the chair is here are you the chair sorry andy anyways i really hope that you will really take to heart how we can still engage the public in a more meaningful way that's probably my biggest concern thank you very much thank you council bush or any other counselor hands for the those in opposition are counselors more tracey and bush so that carries on a vote of nine to three very good thanks for all the thanks offered so much so much good good detailed work four point zero six is a report from k d l and teaching and we've about their work last of the past week sure be happy to give highlights first i just want to acknowledge the resolution that you adopted last week to ask us to do that which i think was really wise because you know how about some potential unfortunately we weren't able to get there but we had a series of really good meetings with the folks at ing both with their their representative who is here monica webb and on the phone with their president elliott in office and it was i think we had a total of three different meetings with them both all three of them were quite extended i think they were all really open good discussions we tried hard to come to resolution the mayor's office was shutting gauged in this to try to help as well peter club l stepped in to try to help as well we had a number of different resources that we were working with  again it was a really good open honest discussions that we have but ultimately we weren't able to get to a point to a place that would work for all of us and so was disappointing that we weren't able to get but i do think it was really really well worth the effort of trying so that is a some i think some of the details have been presented already i don't know that you need to go into the details of the discussions themselves but but there are some really good discussions and again disappointing we were unable to get there but it wasn't for the lack of a lot of effort by a lot of people are good thank you very much mr montra we really appreciate all the effort that went in to it from the city attorney and so then we're going to have short recess and we'll come back and counsel rueful move it come back in ten five five to ten and we are on our last item of the deliberative before reports and so forth we have a resolution on adopting a city council voting process for selecting a brilliant and telecom buyer on november twenty seventh two thousand and seventeen coun you have the floor great thank you this resolution articulate in agreeable path forward for the council to follow from today through the twenty seventh where we intend to bring to a close the sales process the resolution in short five points does the following it calls for a group of four councillors to meet to consider options of how the council will proceed with voting during our meeting on the twenty seventh this group is proposed to be president odell council right councillor mason and myself there was a point there was a report back date for this friday afternoon it calls for the four bidders to submit their letters of intent no later than monday the twentieth by nine am but the council is requesting that if possible submission of these bids to be sent by this friday the seventeenth by three pm it clarifies the roles and standards of negotiation from this point forward which are to be led by terry dorman who will advise and inform the council and administration on material developments via email updates it further clarifies under what circumstances councillors may interact with the bidders next two more left next it calls for our meeting on the twenty seventh to begin early to hold a work session for the purpose of offering councillors this will be open to the public of course but offering councillors the opportunity to ask questions of the bidders next finally it sets a clear except in a clear fashion items that will help this council and the public make a fully informed decision on the twenty seventh these items include an independent financial assessment for all bidders financial pro forma is for all bidders due diligence site visit opportunities for all councillors if requested and meetings for meetings with staff to and many in the public have shared with me and i know others some frustration which is which is understandable looking forward i think this resolution lays out how and when we will get to the finish line with that said all this close by noting this resolution council room for the work on this resolution happy to co sponsor plugs in the details of something of a process that we set up last monday but again we need details plugged in to move forward with the process and so i think this is it is a good resolution say couple words about as we go forward like house roof i have also heard i'm sure we all have heard frustration from the public they want us to finish this i think and i and i would agree i think it's time to time to get this done time together done but i would say not only is it important to get it done but to get it done right for the citizens  best way possible the best deal that we possibly can have for the citizens abroad and i do believe that this process moving forward this path forward that we've chosen gives us that opportunity and i will say that for me  think that it is crucial now that we have a council that is willing to compromise and willing to find common ground i am certainly going to stay open to k b t l i'm going to stay open to if there's if continues to work with ting to cows on some kind of a venture i don't know if that's happening if it did and they found some agreement over the next two weeks i'd stay open to that i'll stay open to k v tell if they find ways to improve their bid on their own thing finds ways to address some of the concerns that president dell highlighted last last week i also will be excited to hear from z r f over these next two weeks and see so i think in the end that whichever company we go with will be a stronger proposal for this effort and i one last thing i know a member of the audience said i don't know if they're referring to me but they said that it want to hear more talk about the more people that show up for the more that and that somebody up here was saying the more that meant that the public out there disagreed with them why did say one time that  the that we couldn't just think that just because everybody showed up for all that meant that's what everybody thinks out there that does not mean though i don't want people to jump to the conclusion that i'm saying that i know that they think the opposite of you in case that's what somebody thought i said i don't know what everybody thinks out there i think there's a lot of support for k b t l i just know that we've had other instances where everybody comes to us thinks we're extinct things one way and it hasn't always been that way when we actually had a vote from the public sometimes that didn't match up i'm not saying that's the case here i think there clearly is a lot of support for k b t l and i just want to be clear about that so finished there i am excited about hopefully being able to wrap this up in two weeks and getting the best possible deal for growing thank you thank you council floors open cancer thank you president no del i'll keep my comments to the resolution before us and not share with you my opinion about the bidders at this time i'm a deadline oriented person and i i don't really like deadlines and i apologize i know there's been a lot of back and forth today and a lot of it was looking on my phone and there is something in here it says be it further resolved that the bidders are to submit updated letters of intent no later than november twentieth at nine am preferably by november seventeenth at three pm and it seems to me that the you know with thanksgiving week next week the public really needs as much time as possible you know nobody has any idea what this is the r f offer is  offers may change and we need more time for for review and i wondered if there was a reason that we could not just be clear to say that the deadline is november seventeenth three pm which would be this friday which gives a public kind of three days over over the weekend before we get into the thanksgiving holiday to review the offers and if there's a reason that we have to have this we want you to we want you to do it on friday but we'll let you do it on monday it seems to me people would then submit it on monday mostly i don't know who wants to respond i think as you have are you interested in  you to address how we reached out language or how that language was reached there was very there were varied opinions on what day would be best and i think that's reasonable assuming that we're trying to balance giving enough time for bidders to get their their best foot forward and with of course giving as much time for the public and frankly ourselves to review the bid so i think the middle ground was to be very clear and i think we can use  opportunity to be very clear with bidders that are out there where that we it is beneficial for the council and for the public to receive the bids as soon as possible it would be great if you could send them before friday we are on a tight schedule here and the more time the better for all bidders but we did have to find a way in with the lack of opportunity to communicate with every bitter that friday was something they could do we extended it slightly through the weekend so it's a bit accomplice i might have a amendment on that at the end of my comments but move on to my other question which is  about the council communications council communication i'm finding out right now but councillors need to communicate we're not supposed to communicate with the bidders xcept if terry doormen and the city attorney are copied and i wondered what at this point what communications i'm concerned about inappropriate communications and what why does the council need to be communicating directly with bidders at all why would we not be working through our hired negotiat r terry doormen for this purpose and if anybody can enlighten me as to the types of communications that might be needed in appropriate and allowed under this i would just like to point out that the exact language is not about copying i just want to for the purpose of information it says resolve that no individual counts are shall be in contact with any bidder individually for the remainder of this process without informing the city attorney and terry dorman so the is the intent that you would inform one would a counselor would inform the city attorney and mr doormen in advance or can the city attorney going to talk about how she would see that  working yes i would really think that if somebody felt the need to contact a bit or that they would inform particularly terri ahead of time i mean i will be clear that my feeling is that no one should be no counselor should individually be count contacting bitters but should if you have questions you should go through terri but at the same time i understand there was some real concern about counselors wanting to have the option to be able to  to ask questions directly and if so then i think it would be particularly terry to let him know because you're not always going to know right at the moment what the state of the negotiation is and and counselors contact a bit or might throw something off that he's working   that would be reasonable so the my first amendment would be on line twenty three to change bitters are to submit updated letters of intent no later than november seventeenth at three pm which would be this friday let's just take these individually ok ok is there a second to that motion fails for lack of a second on your other and then my other amendment is i have to find it again line twenty six b of further resolved that no individual counts individual city councilor shall be in contact with any better individually for the remainder of this process period omitting the without informing the city attorney and terri dorman thank you is there a second to that motion to amend councillor dean seconds that motion to amend so now that the nominee is to delete the clause without informing the city attorney and terry dorman so there is an outright prohibition on any i think i have spoken to it i think that it's just cleaner if we and we will all know what the conversations are if we go through terry dorman to have these conversations who will you know if there are questions to be asked and there very well could be but let's go through the right process to do that i think it's fair lawyers open counsel have tracy then hartnett sort of a question for the maker present allowable that is  administration that does work on these things and there are many cases where it's not appropriate for twelve city councillors to be having the same conversations as the mayor so i do think that  it's the mayor cannot be prohibited from from talking to people but i think that we could show the discipline to we can still have communications but that we should go through our negotiator terry dorman mare which is i think has been in question quite honestly so i think that's where councillor tracy's concern is and i quite honestly don't blame him so terry needs to know that he represents us secondly if we're going to do this i think it's clear that we need to maybe on the twenty first which is a tuesday i think terri appear in broad term available to us so we can meet with terri if there is a question ok so we need to have some communication with terri so if we could work that out somehow that terri could give us a commitment that he would be here for us on tuesday possibly ones that i know it's a holiday week but  think it's important that we have access to terri so that would be just a click a request if mr dorman could be available at some point we could not have seven counselors in there but the idea would be that dimon could kind of hold some office hours so that people of counselors had questions about any beds there would be an opportunity to interact with him so we're still on discussion on that side on the motion to amend and i'm going to keep and he would be available or if you're thinking so we could all ok so we'll if we do it yeah well if we do it as a formal meeting will warn it but it may be difficult we have access to him we should be able to go to him with these proposals and go over with them if we want i don't think that's a lot to ask and i don't think we need a warming to do it ok i think it's our right to have that council thank you so  did you know when when there was discussion added regarding the administration i think what we're trying to do is is prevent things that happened in the past from happening again so i think what we want to do is to have when questions arise when that we we as a council want to be fully aware of what questions what the dialogue is and so i understand that the administration is separate from us but i think that we want to be included in significant communication i think it only behooves us to be careful and not repeat mistakes we made in the past so i don't have that language here i do believe that it's good not to have counselors asking specific questions we don't all benefit from that if if we have individuals reaching to different bidders so i do support what's being proposed but i also want the administration to understand how it is how important it is for us all to be informed about every step of the way as we move think that the everyone around this table knows knows our responsibility at this point and the magnifying glass that we are under i think that the intention here was to make sure that any conversations that the city that city councillors are partaking in  accounted for in that captures here and you know this also contemplated if we were to have some bidders or local folks and if we see them on the street do we need to run the other way if we go on a visit to a which is also contemplated in this in this moment do we need to get permission or how do we do that so this was a way to find a way through probably vote against it but again i think the intention people know what our job is and i think will will be ok anyone else on the first round see none will go back to council i think councillors councillor roofs point deserves clarifying and we very well may see  board members on the street and i think it would be appropriate to speak with them and say hello just not engage in discussions about burlington telecom with them from this point and you know we have had conversations with them up to now but i think let's keep this clean and let's not have any conversations about that matter how their kids did in the soccer game is still fair game kelso right i'll support this  and i do agree that we need as much access to terri horman as the council can possibly get this is a big huge decision for the council and we should trust we have access to every bit of information that we possibly can every bit of information that could be flowing to the administration should be flowing through and get to the city council and we need to make sure of that i'm fine with saying no city councillor will speak to the  amend by deleting by by creating an outright prohibition on individual contact police say and you post council roof opposes all the others i believe are supportive of us succes on a vote of eleven to thing any concerns that created the first voting system and my own sense should not be on this on this committee to find out ways we need to find way we should vote on this so that i'm talking about two things we should have five consulates and also any concert that would attend it the first voting system should not be part of gas or jane would like to offer a motion to amend and these are two separate actions committee of five councillors naming the fifth councillor instead of four are you interested in naming the fifth councillor and you are the cancer that's not there are interested that's here if nobody's interested i want to put my name for so if who would be selected how would this person be selected and that's a good question how the four councillors been selected in the first place through discussion on the council ok so let's just try to see if you can change this from four to five will start there ok there's a motion to change by adding a fifth member to the committee is there a second that motion to amend fails for lack of a second what is your second amendments  regarding counselor contact with the with the the bitters i would like to introduce an amendment to allow to ask that any communication between the mayor or any member of the administration be disclosed to the city  and therefore resolved that any communication between the and the mayor or any member of the administration and the bitter be disclosed to the city council there was a motion to add a further revolve  numerous issues with what's been suggested by the amendment that don't recognize basically our form of government and how our form of government works and what you've asked to take place  and if assuming the rest of this resolution passes there will be dozens if not hundreds of contacts between members the administration and the betters to implement what you are asking to be done here with respect to following up with say visits with respect they they seek information certainly if there are material negotiations i see the language that indicates the material negotiations should go through terry norman and i've got no issue with that but i think it's both impractical and inappropriate for the council to tell the administration how the administration could conduct its business the administration is not a city this is not a city manager as we always do i take issue with the notion that there is some mistake in the past that we have to be concerned about being repeated here  there was no lack of communication from the administration to the council about what was happening before and there was a major effort to address with president  days of work to try to address and explore whether the communication that went to the fourth better after the council was advised what happened whether there was a way to address that to continue to raise this and to raise i tend to support cancer tracy on this but i respect what the mayor has just laid out to us as well but i think what we're asking for is that when we need to be notified and there is no if occasions  of out there that and i won't bring up the past but there's clear reason examples where let's just say the communication was very good at best what was going on to be fair to both sides here and i appreciate concentrations concern because it's my my concern as well so i won't support the amendment but i am asking you know for the sake of the people brought in which i understand that you represent but we also represent them as well that's what we're doing sitting here and so i would shannah i support the spirit of what i think council hartnett was was saying i don't support this amendment but i have confidence that the administration will share the pertinent information with us promptly and i'll leave it at that thank you thank you cancer with respect to cancer tracie i am unable to submit just like i feel that it is unworkable i think that we have heard from the mayor that he will one amendment any others see none go to vote all in favor of adopting this resolution that lays out our voting process from here until november twenty seventh with the grand finale on the twenty encampments that meeting will be in the room twelve here at city hall day before that actually on wednesday the public safety committee will be holding a work session also here at city hall to discuss  the homelessness initiative that the committee has been working on for the last month or so can you restate that sorry yes the public safety committee will be joining will be coming together on wednesday to conduct to have a work apologize in advance we will not meet our nov twenty seventh deadline that was imposed we could not get a second ordinance committee meeting scheduled until early december we are mindful of the deadline and will endeavor to meet it as quickly as possible but as we all know we've been preoccupied thank you thank you kelsey tracy transportation energy utilities committee is going to have a meeting for november twenty ninth at five thirty i believe we're going to be down at public works and we will be at the very least having a report from that meeting and we i also would like to know that we i'm working with both president o'dell as well as director spencer to determine the best possible time to bring forward the public engagement plan for d p w plan walk bike public process we want to make sure that we bring in a time when we'll be able to give that issue a decent council a happy thanksgiving next thursday and hope that we all have a lot to be thankful for and that we will work in a collaborative compromising spirit over these next couple weeks and i'll be happy and like each other  can was a guy that we saw here in public for him many many many times over the years and i think had he been able to have continued this we'd heard him here singing a song to us  support of k b t l i have a feeling but he was he was one of the characters of the city and i'm say that in the best sense of the word and just wanted to i thought it was worth noting that a person who spent some of the times coming here to a public forum and telling us in song what he thought about the many issues that we faced was worth mentioning and condolences to his family and our thoughts are with this family thank you thank you very much counselor right there bush or then tracy then  that was a very sad so something else that is is sad but not in the same way it's a mixed and mixed emotions i'm going to say that finally target has come to this section of for mont but much to my chagrin target is in self burlington and i say this with a heavy heart and and i think the in burlington is going to say this with empty pocket books because target is a huge i mean however bernie used to say you draw i will go i haven't been to university mile an hour how long because there's been nothing really there for me but i'll be there i will be there so will everyone else that i know and i really know that the city has been so focused on so many things but i'm really sad that we were not able to get target to come here i started this campaign in around two thousand found out that they were a great company from my own personal experience when my daughter went to william and mary and i got introduced to target and then learned that they also invest heavily in schools and in their host community so i'm really sad that this happened around us and we're not part of it i think financially south burlington will be set thank you thank you very much counselor tracey the president o'dell just wanted to bring attention to the fact that the wards two three m p a had their a in the brand new space at the st joe's this was actually a renovated space which is actually kind of wonderful that we have been able to bring new life to the community space that was once a very very active and is now active again i just wanted to think really making the space feel nice and homey and also getting us a much improved sound system so that we can have roving mikes so that everybody can actually hear what what the questions are and that can actually be piped right into the channel seventeen feet so it's pretty spectacular everyone is certainly invited and welcome to come to a community dinner next month second thursday we encourage everybody to come it's a great meal and just a great opportunity to connect with people in the old north and thanks thank you  and so i just take it as an opportunity to maybe explain it because it is a little it's in support of of of november which is in during the week of november for for men usually to grow a mustache  support of men's health which is actually a legitimate thing we have men dying at a rate more far more often than women when it comes to suicide and then you know especially prostate and testicular cancer is something that is on the rise  quite amazingly actually and specially in america and canada so this is something that i do help raise some money for a good cause so if you see someone on the street rocking a mustache know that it's for a good thanks great good cancer heart and thank you share those concerns no mustache right here those concerns concert roof i guess whatever it takes listen i don't i don't we're not supposed to just like i give a shout out to my good friend john ewing who i hope is watching yes john is really battling a blood cancer rare blood cancer and he's he's he's he's he's in trouble and i talked to his wife tonight and john i just got to tell you coming here tonight after i spoke with jane i want to know that i'm thinking of you i'm sure this counsel is i know the mayor has a great amount of respect for you as we all do we hope the best our thoughts and prayers are with you and if there's anything that we can do and i mean any of us please let us know so john hang in there thank you council the council president has no updates throughout all of which is in there all you've done for this community for so long i want to just touch on the parking discussion from earlier tonight and just note that the marketplace and b b a and others have been active in promoting a parking incentive this holiday period as there have been in past years there will be two hours of free parking parking on street during the holidays on st on saturdays during the holiday season so of course sunday parking is free as well so there is a counter pusher like incentive that is that is happening we do of course keep close track on what is going on in the downtown with economically and while certainly there has been a change over in the mix of retailers and in the downtown we continue to hear strong reports about how the downtown is doing on many financial metrics and quality of life metrics  couple other quick notes we had a first time event here in the c brunton last week hosted up at champlain college the governor was in attendance and about two hundred other people it was the first what we as in you all  vermont climate pledge coalition summit there were over thirty vermont businesses institutions cities and towns that attended and made pledges about how vermont intends to meet the goals of the paris climate agreement even though the federal government has withdrawn from that agreement it was i think an encouraging cooperative step that we inten in vision continuing through the years the electric department spearheaded this in many ways and intends to go on from here continuing to encourage other ramana students to step up and make this pledge collect the data from that and report it to the national were we are still an effort which involves cities and states and institutions across the country working to ensure that america continues to lead on  climate action and to other notes there are i believe four more days in which the public and councillors skin vote for their favorite of the seven finalists in the burlington flag competition and the can do that online and then voting concludes on november seventeenth and the winner following up on the unanimous council passed a resolution earlier this year the winner will be unveiled on the first night and finally i just want to mention i got to go to a really unique in aspiring  event a lot of ways the burlington co housing community just celebrated two milestones its tenth year anniversary which for anyone who knows how long that group worked to and make their vision a reality and for anyone who knows how difficult co housing in general can be it is really quite a milestone i've seen in my various roles lots lots of projects and most projects look pretty good on day one you know whether a community is thriving in really has created a real place when you go back after ten years and certainly to be there for the first time a number of years just to see a  place that is truly thriving and one of the ways in which is striving is that they have really committed to solar energy and have put solar panels on just about every available square inch