issue it relates to legal error by the p t out for finding that the combination of these two fifty five and fifty nine disclose all of the limitations in the challenge claim and so you believe that the board's conclusion to the contrary was wrong yes your honor i didn't help that there are a lot of things here that you believe the board got wrong yes we have to conclude hose out doesn't the soundblaster document corroborate itself in the sense that it a it doesn't say draft and it does have a copyright notice yes runnable we're not contesting the or is it isn't that what the witness testified to the witness the the declaration of the witness was not proven tip of the public access ability the witness indicated in his contention is that he just received the internal document for review ok that's not what he thought it would be thirty received it and then off the shelf package that would have been typical for a customer lead to whether something was in the public and his testimony wasn't corroborated that's basically right on point here can we go back to nathan yes you said to me that to be referring to the songs that that corresponds to the list in the q if i understand your question you're saying not the songs are stored but basically a list of the songs there was also expert testimony contrary another object this to devise an apparatus which allows those flexion of audio or video or audio visual data to be downloaded enable this information to be read reproduced on the audio and video systems so basically what that paragraph is saying is you're downloading songs from a remote server and they're able to be played while being downloaded ok and that very clearly shows that the songs are stored in the que three at the bottom of paragraph one o three page five zero six it states it can even play the audio visual piece during transfer ok so what that tells you is they're not stored somewhere else before being played they're directed right into the queue in play that's the evidence i did what about what about paragraph eight let's let's start where he left off why is it that the peach have could credit an expert who says that these paragraphs don't say what they appear to say on their face with respect to the storage of the song into a kid and the board look at these two moves and look at the disclosure is in between five now which actually do talk about whether it's random or mass storage and they saw that combination of evidence found that there was substantial evidence and what it is doing what they did in their request for rehearing and what they're doing now is they're just you know asking regarding the facts remaking factual arguments that they did when there find that eighty's interpretation this reference is is the correct one fact i guess i'm i'm looking for the for the first part in nathan  that's going to the server to download size initially and then it goes on a different selection graphic screen shows the songs that have been downloaded into the sort of the size according to different criteria and then gives the user the ability to add this onto the cross examined so this is the equivalent of mr miller getting out that trial in front of judge and jury and say hey here's the boss software this is why this of the available life proceeded the ridley course of business you know that's my direct he said that he received that he said that he received it in the regular course of business and more so than that he said that the reason why he received the actual commercial publicly available version of the software is because he was working in technical support and it was the company policy to send the commercial versions of the software to people like him so when they talked on the phone to these customers they were living and eventually ok but it would now we're getting to this argument that a front on the other side made that that the sound energy engineer wouldn't have any idea how to do this because what you really need is a software engineer well so  for the actual combining of the functionality of sound blaster with who sent it which was the actual combination that if you see set for the board and actually did look to see whether there would have been a reasonable at paragraph seventy one of his declaration which was appendix two four one six through two four one seven where mr schmidt did testify that it would have been straightforward for any sort of computer programmer which doesn't fall within the level of skill the art to write the software for this basic functionality and that that's all it is we're talking about playing a song we're talking about creating a playlist that combine that basic functionality with the device so just loosened that actually had so you're saying that a sound engineer at the time would have the ability to do all of th actually described a problem similar to what i did say is that you know the ability to you know there is a need for the ability to score use it on the recorder customize the soundtracks playlist play  of that's again that's pretty simple stuff and when you're talking about you know the level of detail of how much information you need when you're talking about simple technology like this the personal web case says that you know  a book or of a you know a long list of information know a little over two minutes i'd like to address a few points first time eighty's expert did address this issue of whether a procedure as defined by the two experts would have the necessary skill to combine the functionality of some western with was sunday and was out where would we find that  combination based on the fact that that was how their skill level i don't one of the points that was made was that the ag was suggesting combined physical combining to one point of clarity i would like to state that for the issues that we didn't get to cover today in the rest of your ships in the case we rely on our briefs thank you thank you