i think you're perfect for the show because you do a lot of the same thing is that i do in that i talk and when i found you i was so excited to learn and learn what you do so you're you have a masters in education and a masters in education and an undergrad degree in behavioral psychology and you work with both animals and humans it's pretty much the same time we all have a heart and lungs and eyes and emotions and all of that is are different techniques that you apply to humans  animals and the work that you do interesting question yeah because a human being techniques or the way that i address the way that i address the being is different because human beings get on the phone and they schedule an appointment an animal doesn't do that so i have to make sure that i check in with them in the way they can check in and ask them if they want a session if they're comfortable with doing the work that i'm bringing them to do and so how do you know they are we're jumping the gun but this  generally with i'm talking about energy work behavior work of course people call me to schedule a consultation but with energy work when you do reiki for example you connect with the animal and you let them know your name and that you're here to help them and that they're welcome to receive as much energy as they like or little as they like or none at all and then you focus on what you're feeling in your own body with regard to the healing energy if the animal isn't open to the session they won't receive so you won't feel anything and you don't get the feedback that they're exactly what you're talking about because oddly i try to explain this to people that you actually feel i actually feel the energy in the palm of my hand as i'm talking about so my mind is marty focusing on that energy and it sounds so strange and when i first started to feel that a few years ago certification yeah once i became interested in the healing arts and i did become into through my own healing process and i had such amazing results that i saw something just laden i had a knowing that i was meant to do with animals so that's certified through an organization called the association of comprehensive energy psychology and it's a wonderful organization it was a two year certification program very thorough and so that's my certification and i'm also certified in directing master teacher and i'm also really wonderful i know you had a chiropractor on here at some point and to meridian tapping is similar to acupuncture chiropractic in that instead of using manipulation or needles and we want to talk about energy healing and reggae that's that's always fascinated me in the results that i see from it but when you work with animals that have the behavioral problems what is your approach what do you do  success rate for us ok so it's very different if i'm working with an animal with a behavioral problem low level mild to moderate behavioral problem such as as such severe barking problem or how to ing separation anxiety is this a mild form of separation anxiety versus a very chronic severe form of separation anxiety so let's go there so if it's the root cause of a problem because then you have understanding about where what the animals perception so for example if a dog has severe separation anxiety because they were trapped in a crate twenty four hours a day or twenty hours a day and so when the people leave now they have a very hard time that's important to know because then you would not want to work with that separation anxiety problem with a crate so in that way it's very hard it's very important to know the root cause of a problem but with regard to the severity of the problem when a problem is traumatic is a result of trauma as opposed to just fear the trauma is more deeply embedded in the cells of the body and so dog training or the behavioral worker training alone in my experience doesn't usually get the results that you need to get because you're not addressing what's in the body so with those animals for the more severe problems i add on the energy mode the animals who have lesser severe problems they answer your question i meet with people i evaluate the problem just like i did when i was a special education teacher i understand what their input was because it's always partly what people are contributing to the problem and so i just the problem holistically that way i look at what the animals perspective is what the environment looks like what they're eating how much exercise they're denting and then i develop a behavioral educational program for them based on my findings and then i teach the people one of his buildings had all the special education so you were an education but you really still an education even though you're not in a physical building such as the school you're still you're still educating people and doing the same thing that doesn't leave you once once you have it i would assume i feel like i am has i think people really don't understand their animals i don't think they understand animals or pet dogs not cats but dogs are pack animals  people are individual cats are individuals very different very different way of existing in the world and i think that people don't understand a lot about them so it held you up to it right that's been my experience over these last eighteen years of being involved as much as i am with animals and you mention dogs and pack animals i have four i had six and one time and they pack and they pretty much do everything in unison they go to the bathroom pretty much the same time they need at the same time they sleep at the same time but there is that pecking order there is that dog that thinks they are in charge and i would always tell them no i'm in charge good for you you're here as a guest but there's one that always takes that that charge and then there's a second one that steps up with that other one is is away or or not doing their job and i've noticed that over the years and i've never had just one dog one docs and i've i've always i was raised with dogs and there are family dogs and i know them fairly well and so i've always had this comparison you know we had one who was a snob didn't want to have any to do with another dog ever leading the other dog we had and then we've had him where their mood to each other and not even from the same litter and then from ones from the same litter you could separate them the matter what you did is just amazing isn't that interesting so they are like people in that way that they have every dog has a personality just like every person i've had two sets that were from the same litter and they were never separated and they were so much alike and so different of the same absolutely maybe because you would think that because they're they're raised together in their bed or that the whole thing everything's together yet they had different personalities and so i like i'm so happy to hear you say that you knew you were the leader you know there is a pact that exists among the dogs and that's not something you really want to mess too much with because that's natural and you don't want to  like pushing water up the hill when you try to change that but you really need because there are pack animals they need for their people to be in charge and in control because if they're people are not in control somebody has to be and so that means one of the dogs would have to be and what happens with dogs when they when they're people don't have good leadership or regain troll it's very stressful for them because you think about they live in a home they have you they have the world it's a lot of responsibility and they don't want it and so you'll find people feel bad valley often specially women when i try to teach them how to be leaders good leaders or being control of their dogs that really the dogs relax when they realize that you're in control and they're not they just say  he has it now i don't have to worry you know and those are wonderful things and every once in awhile they may try to tell you their boss is for they try to serve a little bit of everyone's life and then you have to you have to correct that a she's she's done she's met her challenge and she's caved into it so what i'm aware of is you're saying that it's so interesting that dogs don't talk to each other verbal e media you probably don't because you are in control you don't even have to talk write what you want to hear something really not talk about this on the show a few times i'm sure you know when a tech is renee's a friend of mine and i was telling her this story for the first time on air i did oxen growing up name name duchess and she was the first in that i was really old enough to know a dog and we got her as a puppy every other one was pretty much a rescue dog and i trained her with no knowledge of training and she was really my mother's dog but little tiny little miniature dachshund could jump up on my mother's bed that had steps going up to it my mother's death bed and she could jump that high right out of the back mazing so i never knew really how long dogs live there was never a concept in my mind and one day and we would had maybe eleven years and one day i was laying on the bed and i went to her and i'm a kid and i had this sensation of grief come upon me like you wouldn't believe and this insatiate was followed by i'm not going to live much longer not me but like in her words coming from this dog i looked like what the heck was that and of course i said nothing to anybody and then i'm in about a month later that same sense same thing happened again i'm not gonna live much longer then she died about a month later she was about twelve actually i think she was twelve at the time but she had a lifetime of she was a rock and so she didn't have her bladder her research drugs were right and she always had b infections and it was always online about sr what sort of secular heart of course the food back then you know we were told you don't give animals people food and the food that they produce was poisons and you know who knew better back then and so she she ended up dying but that i never even talked about that until maybe a few years ago because now i understand what it was and it's it's this this and i talked about this about you can take a proton to two side by side protons separate them do one to one and the other one in the other country and it reacts experimentally the same way and so that's basically what's happening between us we're on this level of energy of communication we're all connected we're on  and he was a bit like that so i would i would call you up and i'd come to you and say i have a problem with with with tucker and he's biting everybody how would how would you go about handling that if you just briefly give us a step by step ok i know it's going to be more involved in what you're saying but even an idea so i would come to you first of all so you come into my great environment i like to see the invite yeah yeah i think that helps it's helpful to see the dog in its own environment because if you add another stimuli which is my office it's changes the dog employee i'd rather see the dog in his own environment so then i evaluate the problem i evaluate i ask a lot of questions about history so that i can determine the root cause of the problem because is it fear is it just authentic a dominant  issues which would be fear they were abuse so i try to get a history and find out where the problems coming from once i find out where the problems coming from i develop a program to desensitize the dog if it's deer for example to desensitize the dog to what he's very full of i also address are you exercising this dog a tired dog of the well behaved dogs or member that old expression very true so exercising using the box flower as an says the balance the dog emotionally doing the behavior work food changing the food all of that together create a fifty percent improvement without even doing any behavioral intervention so that all of that is very important credible physics i'm not in one of those not at meter but i do know on a personal level in how any on a personal level on educationally that it works that it is true that we are all connected energetically or you certainly when we knew something you believe you don't believe in first of all you wouldn't be able to do it if you believe didn't so that's a tell all to me right away so what are the usual behavior problems that people come to you with well so i address more i don't do a million straining and i'm thankful to to the people who do because it's just not the thing that i love to do so i handle problems so with cats i get mostly litter box issues and aggression  cats that are either spring or your navy out of the box or aggression with dogs i get a lot of separation anxiety dogs that are ruining the home trauma dogs that have been very very abused and so they're traumatized and so they can't really function well in the world because they're too afraid to be in the world and dogs with aggression i am really not doing a whole lot of aggression i really love working with trauma that's that's what i like working with i had a sugar and i rescued her and she for the fear of them falling down because dobson's don't dread well so when i travel i would leave them in the laundry room get the door so it was open for air and light memory thing but they were in this they know your routine changed it's given to them that you're doing that thing again and he says visualize the sun going down on the moon and that you're flying in an airplane and you're going to be gone how many moons on cycles and it you'll be back and count them out and and don't talk to them just in this and i'm going ok steve will do that and i thought well this guy telling you something i should try the first day i and so i would say my first question would have been was it the gate because you have to make sure you know in that case it could have been the gate you know if you know what it was here again it was fact that i was leaving so that would be a very mild case of separation anxiety because you know i i work with a dog now that i work with for a very long time because the dog as well for a year and with separation anxiety and in this dog has been returned to shelters seven times has escaped has jumped through windows ripped  frames terrible just terrible terrible severe separation anxiety and so it requires behavioral intervention there have even been times and i rarely rarely rarely use meds but on occasion for you know a month or so not together and he's doing great in added to how long to do that to get to the point where we get him to the point we got him to the point probably in about two or two months i'd say and then he does great for a year and then there will be another stimuli that comes in like we'll move behavioral problem to work with because we can't control the barometric pressure and so we can desensitize a dog just in case anybody doesn't know what desensitisation means it means exposing the animal to what it fears in tiny little steps because if you hold it up a bit exactly if you expose them to what they fear in too big of a step you're biting off too big of a chunk and they can't absorb it they get too afraid and then their threshold drops and they can't cope so we've spoken to what they fear in tiny tiny little steps countering the fear so say for example thunder the dog is a conditioned response to thunder fear response of thunder so thunder fear thunder fear so now we we expose the dog to what it fears and we counter with treats we counter with love so we're doing both desensitisation and counter conditioning when we're dealing with a fear and dogs i just want to explain that you know the sort of underground what we're talking about but with thunder we can't control the barometric pressure because you know you could the storms come in great everything's going great they were playing with the dog we have the buffalo resins is in place he's called everything's great in the room all of a sudden there's a big loud clap of thunder you can't control it you can't make it be a small clap or a mall club small club bigger you take the whole picture we want the dog to be in the car comfortably and we break it down into tiny little steps so can the dog get near the car not my dog he can only get as far as four yards away ok let's start there so you start feeding him four yards away you start treating him four yards away in the meantime you're doing to energy work with them you're exercising him a lot in then you sort of just move him closer and closer are just when i told you to give me that information she wouldn't get in the car in the car not not so far so it was it was interesting that we took vacations she would she would hop in a suitcase while we were packing it run out of the car not even a vibration work with animals distantly you know i'm out with them and i need to find information one way to find that information is the muscle pass in the whole idea of muscle testing is that we all if there's an answer to a question we all hold the answer because again remember we're happen is if in if an answer to a question is affirmative true the muscle will stay strong your fingers will not come apart if an answer to a question is negative your muscles will go weak and your fingers will come apart ok all right so think about that tree think about we have and i was yes because we're getting yes from both ok but i was i was going to tell you i was trying to hold tighter which i know we're not supposed to do but i was trying to do that so i'm sorry oh that's ok and so that's ok because so anyway reiki is what's your definition of reiki so reiki is a hands on healing technique that it can be given distantly it can be given in person and what it does is it balances the energy systems in the body so that it reduces inflammation it reduces pain it increases healing are you using your energy using the universe's energy or using your patients energy so reiki is a very high of energy that one when one is it tuned to give reiki to others their energy systems are expanded so that they can accommodate that energy that high frequency of reiki energy and they pass that energy through talk about it is hard to get a lot of it in and so what we're doing is just basically exposing and from some thoughts out there that some people may have value and hopefully people in the audience will will look into it and tried for help because