and the weather gave us when let us let us do fireworks its condolences to the family who lost a loved one on saturday from barbara harrington are going to explain it to us a little bit so please come on up  which one do sure to approve site to approve parking spaces on our property which are in the drive through area to move those down to main street and change some landscaping around the building   same model looking from the other direction so from this direction you can see the green space that we're proposing  with the the new curb and the sidewalk that comes down contiguous all across the front of the building and then a public sidewalk going back up side the building connecting route two to the public parking lot in this bill parking lot for pedestrians creating a green space here a couple other things that have already been approved for filling in the space between the porches here with planters and landscaping we have an existing permit now to redo these porches they need some maintenance for school redo statically kind of clean up the front of the building a little bit we have some landscaping that will probably put in approved curb cut and put in two new parking spaces on main street and it's just simple as that before the board tonight on the first item i just want to share that i sperry this afternoon just to figure out what we what we would have to do in order to grant that permission to the student parking spots and mark said that would probably be a proverbial thing and this is something that ben and i talked about earlier is a revocable license which is not having to do right of way or anything like that it's pretty straightforward it's essentially saying that that greasy has access to those the board to change from retail where there were two full time employees and people coming and going using them in their supposed lives to an office where there would be a block of spaces utilize every day  there is a loss of parking spaces that are being earmarked said this private company when we refused to earmark publix parking areas for other private companies so rates contrary to what the amendment so i spent some time at the property i think it is a beautiful improvement to a proposal for main street you know what who doesn't like guarding the green space but at the end of my visit was about four four fifteen in the afternoon on a weekday on my way to exit the municipal lock on to bridge three because i had no other choice the other access had been  had to turn left and i had to commute accidents because people come whizzing around that bridge street corner turning right on rather without stopping and it is a steady stream of traffic and have been able people accessing that building i think overall it's much more hazardous for the rest of the town i would much prefer to see the town address these safety concerns with even a simple  done you know you can speak much more eloquently than i can about traffic calming methods second employed in part area and as for people running through the light of the law to avoid the traffic light which is regard for a year to try to get some mutual benefit from the property owner and their town and give away something that we already have you know and i think it's a it's a vital access for ads and this is a safety concern  very about this too and those were not true that everybody has a common understanding about this the two spots in the plan are municipal are rich municipal parking spots which are included in the plan because your plan site plan where the thirteen are kind of scattered about two on our property and now four out on the street and and seven are back chipping county as a multi phase project that we're looking at it's very inefficient right now in we're looking at how can we make it more efficient so the first thing we wanted to look at was the what's it cost us pickup going it can be rather efficient and may have used many times in the money talks are living on the streets in the north end of burlington with fourteen houses and we have five dollars plus recycling drug they just leapfrog over each other she's not very efficient so we hired a company oh d s n they are from us cut me vermont but they have a worldwide reputation they do work a whole over the united states all over the world they're in there becomes their not so much environmental engineers or economist and their job is to look at this in c and what's it cost us to do what we're doing right now to pick up trash and chip in county hand to dispose of it and recycling and might there be some other options that we could look at that would be cheaper through that real quick currently if you look at the residential it's costing us about eighteen and a half million dollars of that coleman says current to collect trash it's costing us roughly eight billion dollars to collect  down from eighteen and a half million dollars to fourteen million dollars so you say twenty five percent on the residential in option one you do nothing to the commercial so that stays the same so the overall net cost is seventeen percent and depending on what we do with adding cost it might be another percent option to where we look at businesses again the in this is still weekly the residential dropped from eighteen and a half million down to the fourteen whereas the commercial seven point nine million are eight million down to six point three million roughly a twenty percent gross and so that between two of them you have a twenty two percent decrease option three where we only do resident the table and that will see some increase in recycling if you do just residential you'll see roughly thirty four hundred tons more if you do commercial and residential you see another fifty seven hundred tons more i either break out or subgroup form or make the holyrood small enough for them to be able to bid on you know if you say well you got to take twenty five hundred customers or three thousand customers then that's not going to work we have sixty thousand this apology he can put liens on homes you know and so people with it will pay because they just know that this lean on whereas a holler they actually calculate so we've found they're doing a study roughly anywhere from eight to eleven percent they just l o get paid but the early going to suck it up for a while so you know that that's an issue that will we'll have to look at to put this in another perspective only eleven percent of the country has the system kind one forty eight which is was each forty five which basically says in three years before you should know all restaurants and regardless of the size have to recycle there or get access to the restaurants they typically because the more you have the garbage to pay so it's just like if you went to one of our drop some if you paid by the back if you go to burlington drop off center not only do you pay by the bag you pay by the pound  the bins of the district given to know they've converted to that because we as i said we paid for forty percent of that and we saw substantial increase so it's just more convenience easy and doesn't fill the street so it's a pay as you throw  robust role with a lot more administrative functions particularly if you get into billing but also if you're managing multiple franchises out there and having to you know let contracts and monitor cost and everything if that's done well you can build competition in there and keep prices down if it's not and basically competition doesn't function prices can go up what are you what mechanisms we use what kind of reviews  ongoing basis to monitor costs over time and is there is there sort of the the emergence of great you know if after some period of time cost you're not coming down recycling rate is not going up is there and out the break is before you actually implement a system so let me be clear about a few things they are unlike other issues this is proof that seventy percent of the country is doing so which you have is a bit of a percent  we're doing about seven is doing what this looks like than the others are just self calling like you would of gotten so thick so you could look at contracts from around the nation and get the best of the information you don't even put up the first one if there's not it's not a good state usually t five to seven year contracts easily limit the amount of contracts anyone holler can get to preserve competition is very legal you can say you know who's going to get more than thirty percent got rocks and you don't you want to build petition to maintain and there are significant penalties for failure to perform in the penalties can get so severe such as ok if you don't pick somebody up and it's a missed opportunity you get so many and then you you know you get a cure you give them time to go curable fix it up pretty good every you know in any city that does this every truck has a g p s they know and in so with this is moral calls and says you didn't pick up my car well mrs morrow that truck went by sure everybody's on board in our proving to you is you have a board member that you've appointed to our board in when our board sits down and we start looking ok how we going to go to the next phase of this reall of make sure they are all in great if they're not what are the questions we need to answer you know in this we have a list we've given you a list of questions that we need to ponder and deal with and i will take your question to me bring that back as a question that we have how do we more concerned i mean i think everybody would like to achieve greater efficiency you know there's the that's not that's not an argument it's you know you mentioned of some of the not economic objectives that were also there preserving the business for the small hours and things like that and once those get we're in there and there's the actual you know the ministry of job making the whole system work that's going to be significant you know so it's again the devil's in the details and that is not a reason not to continue the investigation that you know in my mind but it does mean the scheme the careful and knowing when to not go down a certain path or when you go down a certain path knowing how to back out it's not right in done next year or the year after when these are tough hard questions we need to look at case studies help people did it and what kind of issues they faced when they looked at it again what are your brakes what are your controls over the entire system do we have the  i don't know that case to be so usually in rural areas or there tends to be less and so that system in work in those are things that we really have to look at and we don't look at our assumptions but when we look at communities in in very in one of the things we're looking at is the study of look at only seven going to drugs and we're saying no you can't be that we've got to do one of the things when community did it because portland oregon area they just made every major the first item is an update on our invoice audit is sort of doing going back in answering questions that came up in that process but everything seems to be going smoothly as far as that goes to i think we will have a number of things to look at the question's going to be and this will come up later this is what we want to put on the agenda for and this matches what was approved at the last wednesday and that'll probably take a week to get everybody switched over once that's completed the old line will be abandoned kept everybody will be on the  for brown's court and the excavator and that just reference it's two point three two percent for hundred eighty thousand dollars over five years hundred ten thousand dollars to excavate and seventy thousand dollars for  is and then i guess the only other thing on page three maybe line seven or eight when we're looking at invoice  time somewhere in there i thought we should add something about improve coordination with department heads we were talking about the proper payment invoices can't now the the issue here well there's a couple different in a related issues one is the main the main point here is to bring this  members and up to speed on the current status of the town's agreement with the monies conservation corps with regards to painting in lieu taxes and then also to  fifth now at this point i have not received any information about the about the topic of the meeting i mean this this has to do with one would assume an appeal  part of the appeal process but i don't think anybody has received any specific information about that i assume that we will receive that from the town clerk at some point but the purpose of talking about it tonight is to at least make sure that we're all up to speed on the context that we discuss it in public and that we're ready to participate in that process so number of of taxes which is a special arrangement where they would make a payment to the town it's not a tax payment on seven point six acre parcel that to go through taxation of the town did not build for that in two thousand and nine  two thousand and ten so they're behind by two paintings i had originally thought there might be room for a compromise where they could provide labor to the temper certain projects and we might be told me they don't have the money to pay the back tax payment we're back filing payments and i'm not sure how to proceed whether we need to continue to pursue those payments were present to do any kind of bartering for see an exchange for that money on is i mean there's really only two options i mean can there be some kind of installment payment that you know we're collecting cash but over time that could be an option also ok but is there some kind of negotiation process ongoing with it we haven't talked about it in awhile sensually i told tom harpur i thought we could work something out i am not so sure i think we probably have to go back to the table ok then the other point of information here is that that agreement applied only to the western monitor barn which was property at at this point so that's that's what the situation is as we go into the p c a meeting next week about it about the fact that they didn't receive their right that that's the town's fault there's nothing in the agreement that says if the down bills of late the day before the payment for labor so i'm not sure that we do i mean that could lead again to another reopening of that so we may have to go back and say we have to have that pa so there are a couple things in there that i think are a little big you are still i would certainly appreciate your feedback in let's say the fourth floor down on  saying that they were still interested we didn't hear it for a few days and i sent another email out to the same individuals asking why there was hesitation in signing the memorandum of understanding i got no response  so i really don't have much more to report other than that i would suggest that maybe for we were going to go forward we could give a conditional approval to it if would she had specific questions other than who was going to participate and she really don't have answers the primary question was how people were going to dispose of the phil sensually  upfront cash match for the green ok which they in the we all the offshore towns need that managed to be able to purchase the cracker there or somebody wants to leave after they've paid their radars speed control songs the something was put out to bid in the bid didn't come within the range and nothing was done and nothing is done for a couple of years now the states decided that they're going to pick it up again and redesign the project on it and they're going to move forward on the expect it'll probably take another year and a half they've got stan tech working as the engineer on this project and i think you can see the the speed signs before we're hardwired the ones you're going to use now are probably going to be the solar panel signs so they're going to be cheaper to install and they're going to do some other side also not just on so you just want everybody to know that that is moving again in the states taking it over the town really doesn't have anything to do with that for richmond recreational soccer intends to replace their goals they have we're just already you know funds for their fund raising and they've got some money in there that's been accumulating for a few years and they're going to replace their soccer goals which is going to take most of that money they they were and asked if we had any concerns about it to talk to them i don't see any concerns with that it's their money and they decided they want to replace or whitman and  low cost public transportation to high income qualified persons has put out their fiscal year thirteen funding their funding is about twenty percent higher for us this year than it was last year last year we did exceed the budget by almost three thousand dollars in this year they've increased our budget by about three thousand dollars the preliminary plan calls for cash match for most of two thousand five hundred dollars right now in the budget we have a match of two thousand three hundred dollars i think we can probably reduce the allocation so that fits our budget the reason we went over last year was we had a certain number of preplan trips we authorized additional medical trips i've since learned that s s t a has a ten percent social personal trip limit for their grant funding and last year they spent eighteen percent of their budget on so we were all over budget on their scripts and now that we all have a new awareness of that ten percent cap reducing that eight percent for richmond i think will get us to the two thousand three hundred dollars cash match that we have budgeted i don't anticipate the same difficult to last year bridge street bridge the painting project is complete there is a two week review period which the state will be inspecting the bridge certainly if anybody notices any flaws in the workmanship please contact me and i'll contact the stake the painting is done they did apply what's called a grease coating to the lower section of the steel which has been painted that is not only to lubricate certain joints but it also will help  reduce salt damage it does of course need to have a center stripe on the bridge deck that's not the responsibility of this contract and i think we'll get that roomy shortly but the bridge and they're claiming it's not their responsibility write that that may be part of the two thousand and eight historic he's meant agreement i believe that still online take a look at that and i can also talk to the state engineer on that to get get something concrete on concrete people to be aware that this is these are not expenses that flow to the town and it was decisions that the town made and in the case of the bridge street bridge to use historic preservation funds from the state to avoid having to pay for the town to pay for the bridge ourselves i'm not arguing the wisdom you know on the part of the state about providing funds to repair all bridges as opposed to building new bridges a lot of the dialogue was about but that in terms of the the work that was done this is not expenses incurred by the right if i if i could just add one thing about the expenses on the bridge street bridge because i  think there were some numbers that were tossed around that might be a little confusing were in the wrong direction or whether they came across wrong but the original project from two thousand and nine which was the replacement of the bridge deck which we call the rehabilitation of the bridge that cost two point three million dollars including construction and engineering the paint project it was just completed was another six hundred eighty eight thousand dollars so it's close to three billion dollars total cost to do the work that's been done on the bridge over the past three  years analysis was done prior to that on different alternatives to either rehabilitate the bridge widen it realign it or build a new bridge notably the decision was made that the town was going to partner with the easement exchange for the state using federal funds to rehabilitate the bridge but the costs for that were roughly three million dollars and whether that was more or less than what a brand new bridge would be is really sort of a moot to bait at this time but just to be clear that there wasn't any  lowball highball difference and what the costs really were first is what we spend and if anybody has any questions on that they can give me a call and i can direct them to documents that the state has put on the website showing who the bidders were and what those costs  the part of the road that's collapsing on the southern end of w road is scheduled to be repaired next week in order to do that they're going to have to shut dugway road down in that area so don't wait rogue will not be a through road for approximately one week beginning next monday through next friday as joy i twenty third and hopefully by july twenty seventh that there will be that part of that construction will be complete they have to excavate the road down to a level where they can get to an excavator to the to the point where it can rebuild the lower section of the wall the stone wall that runs along next to the river and then rebuild the road on top of that so but you know it's probably an easier ride upcoming meetings next monday evening at seven o'clock pm we have the discussion of the new draft development regulations i provided a hard copy to the select board this evening that will be up on the internet seven o'clock on july thirtieth the water commissioners have a special meeting to pay bills that will be in six thirty here also and the course knows that document is going to go to the smugglers yet so i think it's very important the public knows that they need to get a copy of this dark american they need to review it and to see if any of their recommend changes were put document because the citizens who came forward to participate at some level previously i think are aware that i wasn't the first officer but you know i wasn't aware it was complete so i don't know what your timeframe be if if this white board feels that it's ready the swept board would move it then to a public vote in november so i don't i don't think the select board has been planning that they would vote to adopt the they were socially vote if they were satisfied with the document that they would want to present it to the public they would want to hold a special meeting were at the general election to have the public vote on  but i don't know how much for the we can push it i mean one of the things we can do is play by ear a little bit see what kind of turnout we get you know normally during that august second  tension changes you don't really want their input just want to get to waste their time but i mean personally i don't see the point in having a popularity contest by document i mean that the select board the process is supposed to provide a route for appeal ok now we're going to be presented something that's presented by through this process and you know i think it will have a certain weight attached to it because of that you know we we want to respect the work that's already gone into it but i don't i don't think there's any point to us sort of going down the same route that the that the hearings have already taken place have gone down you know if there's i would certainly encourage the public there's specific things that that didn't make it through that process that you think should be in there this is an opportunity to bring the board there's no guarantee that you will get them but that's i mean i think that again personally i think that's what the process is for that i mean that certainly if there are if there's one person saying some that's different than twenty people but it's also the quality of the argument and it will be coming from both sides i mean they're going to be things that a lot of people may like and not like but that doesn't is not the number of people that say i don't like this thing that means that it can't go through it's got to be in the context of and i planned all the planning commission the landscape we're going pretty good to tell us what you can and can't get and read through the document you're going to notice that it doesn't look like it's exactly prepared by someone from vermont it more looks like it should be somewhere in connecticut and not by the attacker justification gov things can change that you are taxpayers as well who need to understand this document on an individual level and if there's not a comprehension there what the costs were to be or relocate the home they want to see costs rather than just sort of the the assertion that those costs are cost prohibitive they want to want to see actual contractor costs so and cousins was also on that phone call and recommended a certain company be contacted to obtain that information a quote from another contractor i had talked with the other contractor to try to wind something up i'm not sure whether what we're just wants to go with one contractor they wan make a determination on an award status for the project what would the ballpark for costs for the for the contractor  list they just wanted to prove that the alternatives were reading by the property owner as they saw that there were other options other options are not and i repeat not to be funded by a spiral program that  pursuing buyout to tap the contractor who then and has recommended i've never done business with i do not know them i have nothing against them it was about the structure it can be applied outside of the structure it can be done in the town center at area designated to recognize the historical almost a year out from hiring here six weeks away hiring actually occurred so the property owner has the right to get on your life so the fact that i could provide and documentation that they request requested within their forty hour time period or not political point frankly i noticed in the design of the process along and but we also particularly if there's going to be any component contributed by the town need to make sure that there is strong support for this is it goes forward and that includes getting you know as you were saying earlier on the zoning issue voices from all parties may this is that ok let's let's get the public comment let's have the public hear it make the public comments if they're against this let me finish if anybody in this community and i know there are people who want the land for trade it's back and not it's that documented that the people want only the trails that's not what's included in the grant doesn't cover that it's very important to realize the league and all they wish the seventy five acres is not included in this fire it's one hander with the structures to remove those structures from the flight that is the by if the public wants and wants  stop this process from going on and the state of vermont had done preliminary approval of this project they believe it is a sound project it's eligible and they're moving it forward if people want to come forward and start fundraising what i was going to say i don't think anybody is suggesting at this point that there is any kind of opposition organized or not to this i'm simply making a point about about moving this floor to to a conclusion that you want to be state answer any questions that you might have better track record to them you know and i know that process takes some time sometimes for somebody to get an answer from their federal government telling you h down government my requiring us to remove the wealth from the property barrier to get around the structure will have to remove a certain amount of trees but the property owners is requesting since it will be a neighboring property is requesting that you try to keep this much vegetation sponsible on that's the process i don't think this can go forward without approval i think it's that i think that is one of the steps that needs to happen i don't know where you're going with this i need to know at one point of she had an issue with the with the with the contractor that was chosen well if the richmond historical society did and i suppose if she if there is a damage so that included well the only method that was duffy's substantial damage was receipts from the property your stating the have to bring it into designing this trigger to say here's how much and our documents want to track expenses for a three year time period this is improvements to this structure in just one year because of the flood not be anything to occurring damaging this process probably again to reduce the insurance risk in the future that's part of the federal government's regulations so you're questioning the loser's car and you're questioning the substantially the x concept too late for you to go any further i'm not trying to be uncivil and have the camera comes this is real i'm just trying to explain to the community understands that and we understand because when you question everything everybody does on this friday alone on every project in town it sure does feel a little like to sell a little while ago chris this hiring owner is one of the only problem was not living in their denials and things like that are out there i would like people to start backing up what they're saying if you are being fact information from somebody else that says or misinformed all i just flew correct or if you were being misinformed by somebody the historical issues that we are addressing right now we addressed by making sure the property owner was made aware of the other two alternatives which was elevation and location so if you have any information that's being relayed to you was slow word members from anybody else in the community please bring it forward to that public up i think every reason that ok all right anything else on that topic before we move into executive session but i think we need then the following week chris is here and i'm not here on the twenty seventh either so it would have to be the twenty fourth and twenty six next week  once but i think that we will have gas service by two so it would be good to try to get something rolling in completely think it's actually in this case it's for my gas that you wan to the local paper but i really have a concern when it seems to me like the process that was moving among you are in a select board meeting that i've seen before was  an intimidating presence in the audience and i have a concern as it is just a citizen of this town that something like that can take place because what i saw was the process stop and when i saw it was an attempt to later to reconstruct the process and to ask for clarity about the process of something that i'm not trying to stand at all about how to feed my application and  potential buy out and so i would just like to say that i have a strong concern that i don't know all robert's rules i don't know how to tell you this supposed to run each time but it concerns me that any one of us can come in and disrupt the process that needs to go on so that's sad i don't like to see your clerical in your clear process happening because i see each of you spending a ton of time outside of your me each meeting and there are many on me trying to do your work and do due diligence that's when people get disrespectful is when people are allowed to say their view even if it's from the wrong side of the track people but is the is the point that you have with the former speaker or with  and you could have came back and said that people are passionate about issues and we need to hear people that are passionate my thousands of hours on each issue and when you feel like it's kind of get is they're passionate about what's going on they're not trying to disrespect all trying to be passionate and they're trying to have you have the same act as what they're doing so to sit here and say you agree with what that's the way the town runs by people who are willing to volunteer respecting other people's opinions respecting other people's was is something that this town in general has had a problem with in the past and maintaining a level of civility in dialogue so that we can include all the range of voices and and get work done in a way that it's acceptable to the majority of people in town is a challenge that we're still of the rest of you i do apologize i did explain this is better theory long process that no questions ever come form up to us for us for us to review for us to deal with no and and the amount of time and effort that you put into that so but what i wanted to do was respect the process and i think this i'm certainly guilty of this too it's hard to hear yourself when you're when you're passionate about something and you get into the throes of it so nobody is he's cutting you well no no you need to be there you need to be there because you're the person knew who understands focused so what we need to do is just cut home where as happened to anybody who's interested in the topic can come in feel they have a question