america we feel that it is of material importance to the discussion of whether we of a change of form in government and in the case of the merits of others offered to contact us if you like in the case of the county council suggesting to them doubts it be referred to committee so whichever committee that is and that we present to wherever chair white would like to refer the report so that'll be signed and that will be sent off  discussion and questions that were fielded by the various commissioners to be answered by myself so you know what your real sense i just went through the reports of particular interest in them the ideas of turnover really there was very little discussion disputing most of our findings so that's that's the first sort of discussion of a lot of the rhetoric of the findings that we had were not b percent of the department heads will change when there is a change in the mayor's office and their argument was that well that mass turnover is a turnover cost that's above and beyond what we had a life befor i understand that i think that's a it's a fair argument it's it's based on very little other than the fact that eighty percent of the department heads of deputy heads turn over and it material that we presented there was very little discussion about what the material contained problems that they'd had with the material that would be presented  have a little discussion about objectivity and everything in our report but i think our report is transparency enough that there is a clear story as to why we came to our fight is that our recommendations of version the commission cannot support the adoption of a council manager form of government because there is insufficient evidence showing that council selected executive officer result in the economy efficiency gains for the currency now there is an absolute bar cannot which we may want to soften and i completely understand softening that kind of language and anything that we that we write in it could be does not commission does not support the adoption of a it if they had a different argument based on the fact that it's going to save money we can't support that you know so it's because this kind of our reports that make it if you choose it use it for other reasons  ok so how can be a just blew than to make it slightly stronger start with the commissions that mandates instead of based on research look at the commission submit that there is insufficient evidence showing that a change to well the blue doesn't make any statement about whether we support a variable ok you put those not in there somewhere so the commission does not support were changed based on it's because there is insufficient nicely layered but if you really might need to make an appeal it needs to be a softer appeal to the emotion and clear the power of commune packman community it who are that we are so what i thought when i first read upon our collective experience yeah i think we could go on to say to do something like you know work and not have based on testimony or whatever come into council there were some concerns that a newer form of  i'm sorry but we'll have to will that with your maybe two more version it's ok that's something that's going to be missing from the special committees they're going to come up there but they're not telling us why they decided that kind of change or at least they're about doing it at the same try to skirt the way but we have in our report then  also say the commission also are also suggests they report for the council to be fully transparent and palp basically what i'm trying to say some people can take that transparency to changes or regarding how deep the changes are right whatever with the what the explicit changes would be to the county whether what i'm trying to say is why would the presentation form which is what i'm going to be going for which i which i think would be the best way for us to get all this information to them in a way that they will actually listen i think we can get out fairly certain we can get make that thing with the council and say this is what we're thinking what way do you want to see or how could you say this would be an efficient way to do this or whatever in other words have to be on input on how they might make changes based on would just say that moving forward we have to go to the council or we are to address the council some concerns is that you know here's a report where we said that there we didn't see any policies and procedures in place to analyze what procedures that would recognize that yeah they say they're leaving an issue showed them to suggest and there was discussion about putting in the review kind of an update in this report and then the same with the on information i guess from planning commissions from last year but then the overall decision because this particular report and kind of a sole focus we decided not to include that this time around us and been done in previous years but i know at least with the a planning commission issues that one of the commissioners here followed up just informally with the planning partner to say ok here's a report what's been done and i would suggest maybe at least  that particular report was produced so i'm not sure of everyone here who particularly and some of those on and that grants i don't know leader my suggestion would be at least at first hear it way back to your initial contacts and saying ok have you done what has been done based on this report if anything and then if you see that you kind of still in the same place then you can decide as a commission do we want to follow up on that more formally or yeah i would compare is force cost to the county relative to i can never expect a meal all of our recommendations to be accepted or even some portion of it even if one iota of anything that we work of in result in some sort of change i see that as a create the best possible report possible and present that report i have no expectation of anybody to listen to me and i got that from the special committee room so i have zero expectation as to any of these kinds of things actually anything to do any real substantive change i would put forth the best possible report that i can and hope that that reasoning and that work that i've done is persuasive enough to elicit got some movement in that direction we are not tasked with coming up with anything substantive whatsoever we could come in with a report every year and make it better as a sentence and that would be fulfilling our charter marjoe responsibility of the work that we are citizens committee and we do so because we care about this county and we want to do the best for and we do that by creating these kinds of reports and doing these kinds of investigations for  and yet here there are no bash marks for them there are no and at least the council will be given that and then when some steps out we need another five percent to be silly they can ask and it would be her watching watching the budget commissions actually helps immensely for the kind of things that we do here yes because we see the reasoning that department heads of division heads go through in making their budget allocations right and the questions that the council members ask when they have to decide about comments i just said my expectations very very low that way pleasantly surprised every time  at what will be acceptable to the community and then find out if it is or isn't based on the community groups reaction or it's the tail wagging the dog a little bit with the community groups  shut down a lot of projects that have been approved to get loser through or that are made to jump through more hoops you know why is it why is that why is it such a maze that often seems to be impossible  if it can be a little bit of a maze we've had it should be you know that there's something missing it seems like i'm some investigation into affordable housing policies i see as being a good thing i'd like you know e l t and all those guys are contracted through so it's just so i mean it's it can be you can be you can be a wizard around it i think is a great topic as well i think that ok so listen here well when you guys are coming up with these topics eliminating possibilities is just as important as finding that something's going to work so you let me needing the possibility that some ride sharing process is something i will be impossible because there are state or federal laws against it is really good that's good stuff to know that's good stuff to pass on in our report so during these kind of this is innovation here this is what we want right so i love the idea this is something that you could get done in like a month you know you just look at the speed of federal dollars you talk to somebody a corporation counsel they say oh that's not going to work because of this this this or are elected officials time better spent i just had a hard time wrapping my mind around that so again it would be a very large group project but i think it would be worth dusting off  already solar part of the plan all these needs these are coming off everything's affordable homes and you know i mean why is that implemented to be implemented hot water solar so what is what is the bigge step i mean if we're looking to go back to cause a forty five to be a hundred percent renewable we're going behind it well you know look i think that's a great topic i think it's a great topic i think it needs to be narrowed down significantly to two one of the you mentioned energy credits you more trash when they're by then not something's going wrong and i'm not an expert on land you know plant hills and it's not like old were angry whenever it's just this is an observation that is just you know an opportunity for don't think that it's like any generation or anything is it just somebody just checking in at the landfill to ensure that whatever the debris the garbage the refuse whatever it is that they that they want to call it is well covered i know i don't know that i think i said i don't know anything about all i know is it we constantly have to make a lot of lots right around there and it's something so simple that maybe just a conversation from one of the staff to the private have worked in they have their own separate foundation because government can't pay for every incident and efficiency is to work in partnership with the private sector to raise funds for particular needs th gear and so yet another way of trying to keep the i am looking nice and engaging with the public with neighborhood groups we see that lead our taylor we have this trailer we started with one and it was sponsored by the airport here important things to it and then they had it available for neighborhoods to do tomorrow and so then we wound up with led by six in all different private companies to sponsor sugar can we do something to help the local businesses more you know give a more access to things that we can do to teach it investments that analyses on how the county and their cooperate with these that i wanted that i thought about looking at work compliance issues so there are there have been a large number of compliance losses across a number of different departments in the county so some of the ones that you may think of are for instance the injection within the landfills then again we get fined there is it goes down to public employee safety as well corporation counsel deals with much a lot over the safety issues and compliance issues when it comes down to those kinds of things and i see a lot of that is being money that could be saved with better policies so an investigation looking at where compliance issues exist and if there's anything policy wise that could be done so live it but the number of compliance  what we found and we were trying to get two hundred seventy million dollars is created like craigslist within the city government to recycle furniture computers chairs even you know what we were we were tasked with doing was everything everybody used to order their things individually we started letting all the administrative set order everything and everybody had to go to one place and had to write your name are a little bit of a little bit of investigation should automatically cut off we can say ok we don't need to do this anymore with just a little bit of work a couple phone calls and we can figure out whether it's something that's worth investigating for it or not some of these to think and attach your believe to one right so you don't have to say what it is but i just want to say i'd be interested in doing this i'm willing to put my game against it all right and then we'll talk about what you're go moving forward on getting something done all right my expectation is that you will put your name forward for the was that you feel comfortable doing and that you have the time to my expectation is also that's why i put your name forward at least once because anybody have any problems with that expectation doubts that you'll be willing to put your name against at least one of these items are to be research and i want to see your research i'm not talking about any being really big here i'm just talking about over the course of the next month that you'll do something about it well i guess my question is are we now going to be doing individual projects as opposed to the overarching projects for the entire  know if you come back and say you know what this is a dead heat i will say great we'll cross it off the list there we don't not to touch it ever again right slow this is just a way where we can get a little bit more because a lot of this will come down to more food stamps could be used to farmers markets i think that's a great i think that's one that it's a policy based one it's money that already exists we can figure out what the cost is in the process is to do that if we know that it can be done already and it could lead the looking at the input from community groups as looking at short term rental policies so you can separate out into three different things if you wanted to feel comfortable looking at one of those specifically but all of those deal with housing transport efficiency so we're talking about this was dale's one talking about looking at investigating whether it's some sort of ride sharing program if there are some other if more efficient way of providing the transport services understanding that there may be state and federal regulations stipulating that there has to be certain that have to be done in order to provide rights works towards our county and i see that as being the great a perfect end of investigation that we could do so for affordable housing right there's a housing first down if you guys have read about housing first four of homelessness that a lot of other communities do it said essentially saying that we give homeless people and that leads to all kinds of these other benefits i'm not saying that we investigate that but i don't think it will work here hawaii because there are a lot of people weren't melissa don't have homes but when you have something that you see the work even if it's process this is one that we've had a i mean we've talked about this for several years looking into this process and some in some no explicit way energy so we have a new energies are coming in and looking into better efficienc to support beautification and to lower the cost and county we're going to lower clean cost for the county we have developed for airport concessions and i it doesn't have to be just for the airport in general the airport was forever before the state or through workers compensation or whatever i've been looking at office supply sconce the local office supplies better ways of getting rid of surplus and process is the site up slightly up cycling recycling downside whatever great so job i asked expectation again do we feel comfortable putting our name against one of these items just to say ok i'll take a look at it and we'll come back and i can report whether this is something that is worth looking into a little bit any objections to that seeing it on we're going to florida how many of you have something that you're willing to take right now from that list that i put for ok so i mean what i mean i don't know what that is but it may be depend on what it is that we're trying to get the ground for so i have it as a different section so we can talk about that a little bit there so sanford and gail together  it first staff as well because if they're working part time and staff and all the work and that's kind of what we're paying twice for the same thing as well and i mean i just wonder  reviews i'm not asking you to do any of those kinds of things just take a look at it call some people figure something out report back to us something next month that says ok there is something here in the case of galen sanford i want darrell you know figure out if you can get something cross it off the list and they will find another item that we can work with everybody feel comfortable with that i'm going to send out a reminder not only of what we have here but in several weeks i'll send out a reminder that out it invites to try to get them here for a next meeting if possible we can always out and that's the same for everybody so if you find it individual from the lobby for the county or even to anyone who would be beneficial to come in and testify  if you can get that to be within two weeks before our next meeting we could send out an invite to get them here for our next meeting and get that done as moving faster i can probably get again it's on the governor's energy commission that used to work  prepared questions to ask them i do i don't want to ask somebody to come in here for that without it without something very specific to ask them and make it worthwhile for them to spend their time here with us all right so please   if you have any problems or questions feel free to email myself shyly father camille ed john and you know as resources to try to help to answer any of those kinds of questions does anybody have any concerns or questions about that kind of thing if not we have our assignments that we can move on meeting stuff will be tied up we had a discussion about this last time you weren't here we're looking at possible changes to the time here now that we meet so the first question is thursday's thursday's working for everybody or the time change or possibly changing that you're the one who five or six stick it to as we were we had a lot to talk about