in demonstrating the high hybridity yeah these for me yeah it's very clever both both good and the work is very clever and i think we will go ahead and move on what we're going to do is let each of the artists to talk and show exhibit some of the work in the the exhibit and explain for us a little more and then we'll come back and there are many layers of these torn up model types that i have sewn on then i've used sewing or embroidery to draw around so these forms that are black molecule like are all embroidered and there is also water color basing this one is also all paper again three sheets of water color paper together i think we have a detail on this one so you can really see the number of layers that i sew on to the paper i sometimes attach them only in certain parts of the form so the parts of the form stick  this one is more unusual way of working it's quite a recent one i used to you paul paper and the arch watercolor paper together and sewed them  together it's six inches tall so there you go is underneath the watercolor paper then go right to the detail so you can see more clearly i've literally taken a knife and carved other things to ask you about that thank you glad you had these details yeah because as i told you in the gallery that when you see it up close then you see all of these layers and things but when you take a picture you lose that it becomes one dimension there so but the colors are beautiful the shapes are just so imaginative and it's really love yarn that i can then crochet with so there's a lot of steps before i actually even after working and this piece is related to my most recent exhibit was b original shape and also created so i'm using the stitching and then this wrapping the plastic also in and inside so each piece is crocheted you know i do this preparation of the material and then a christian a my pieces and then i have to assess until they are assembled over a form they're very floppy it like a sweater would be and so i create and  quite a large piece about thirty and this one is more it's still based on the dating form but this one much more from my imagination and i some of the reference some i cut some recyclable harder plastic and painted it and i touched that and so this germinating form comes down inside and has this wire this like in the gallery when you see it up even in the image you would never guess this is composed from plastic bags so i want to say something about peace actually it's a question does it self consume better so this is a very large piece so how many plastic bags to take remember everybody there recycle bags soloed took a while to get that and how long to put that together well it's like do you have any light brown gallery you could see that rd strike shading in everything but it is also a bit odd to think that that was crocheted i just i can't imagine what a task that was and i hope it will inspire people but it does make people aware perhaps that once you know that you think well somebody has made good use of this recycled of this of these plastic bags but you become aware of a lot of plastic bags out there and this is just very large so yeah so eighty seven is yeah so i so how long does it take you because you were pulling together a lot of different materials and when you look at this you think this might have taken some time look at her work i think  works separate from each other i suppose the threads that i use have expanded tremendously from embroidery thread to metallic threads of all kinds of stainless steel which i got from an paper from other artists i see i see and i met and we are in a time in history where there are all you need to add is the imagination of which you both are phenomenally blessed if i may say so and it might be wrong but it seems as though in a way you break the rules to i mean you're out to me i really look at things in a different way and it what in the interest environment and in life and presenting in different form you seem both very experimental very open to both in materials and in just your vision here would you say that's true to you are you are you conscious of sort of out there you know break away from tr that for a long time before i started working class right that's interesting you should say that because you both seem to be like scientists in the background there too that's exactly the way scientists things they've noticed things that we don't notice every day life and they get great meaning out of what looks in significant something popping up out of the sidewalk and things like that but all around so you know it's interesting that how consider it rather unique and the fact that you got together because i don't imagine you'd run into a lot of people like this there are people that nature you know based on nature but not with the kind of concerns that