a person within the house opened the door and saw that it was police it seems like that purpose has already been served it's obviated be silly to say we  police at your door when the person is open the door and seeing that there are indeed police at the door second purpose of that is to give the person in the house an opportunity to open the door peacefully instead of getting his property damaged when the police opened forcefully like that the more important thing is that the homeowner is supposed to know who is entering why the person is entering and be given a aggressive tactic at well why wasn't the chance when the person opened the door and saw that there were all the police there and at that point he could have said ok and open the door part of the information known to the officers was that there were explosives inside this residence we are not dealing with just a bunch of false identity people who are dealing with people who are because of their concerns about these explosives their their testimony you're going to see this to believe that they call out the swat team because it was just a training x well that what you're suggesting every couple of factual scenarios that are real that i keep thinking of when you talk about this and i know some people are keep right close by the door and if they show hostility to entry and you have to wonder whether what they want to moment forth to grant the right why don't the police have a right to worry about that  driveway and if the u p s man comes down and hears truck on the snow hear the crunching honest no i go to the door i look out the window i see it's a u p s truck not worried about it if i'm there i could quickly open the door and step out onto the deck and close the door behind me before he's even there right now suppose he steps up on my deck and he says company rule as far as the knocking and announcing were not up to the entry yet but as far as the knocking announcing your case seems to me like my u p s me and i feel they already know it's the police they've already opened the door dispute the entry we get the judge harmon's questions but i was focusing on the knock and announce and i'm crying i think what purpose you could possibly serve that wasn't served the purpose is to you in a realistic meaning give the or why isn't it reasonable for the officers at this point to think that since they have been refused entry by having the door slammed in their face that the people inside are now preparing to repulse their int the point when he argues miller because in miller you had officers outside the door who were in plain clothes you had a door opening that had a chain on it and you had officers who said police in very low voice and the opinion door i believe it is your honor and i believe that you can look to that to the testimony of mr edwards if nothing else because mr edwards clearly says he knew it was police i don't think there dispute in the record that he knew it was police i think what mr graham binary is trying to distinguish is whether or not he knew that a search warrant was about to be executed and in that regard i would again refer the court to miller announcement would be a useless gesture and i would submit to the court that given the circumstances of this case we have a number of officers in great clothing outside the door there can be little doubt that a warrant of some sort is about to be think the at the record is again clear that the word search warrant was in fact on that at the point that the door was at least closing whereas the officer was kicking and it's a little unclear on the one officer who t criminal history where the basis for the swat team that they believed it was safer to use a swat team under these circumstances i know it's been a long morning and i could go on but if the court does not have