for that we'll look at waverly square itself wasn't street when study report well so take a look at thirty three not street which is a project that we permitted for additional construction is coming back with in addition to that property will do to neighborhood determinations and then review the minutes before we proceed will let me introduce the members of the  go over who is also the town planner number two number two so i call the meeting to order we'll begin with the adult use marijuana by law discussion know you want to follow through on the discussion that you had on the nineteenth i believe yes so understood what the permanent process was to open up an establishment in belmont that might help you know that the number of barriers that have to go through that process that that might help alleviate some of the concern that it's been raised so just us that in the end if there's any questions around the board of health regulations a lot of people asked about the board of health regulations and how that impacts marijuana solutions and then also there was some conversation about licensing and whether or not that is a template to some extent that can be used for those for the law and also include in the budget but to start i wanted to you know we wanted to have sort of a review of the june nineteenth meeting in to see if we can start to answer some of those four questions in terms of location process well buffer and received at the planning board meeting as well as written correspondence that we've received and sort of look through all the comments and try to distill them down to specific topics and and determine which buckets that they fit into and today we've received comments from thirty four individuals and that begins consist consists of the public meeting as well as written correspondence comments received represent all precincts except for precinct seven and they covered the buffer location permit process and signage most comments though relate to the buffer and location in regards to location most people don't speak in terms of zoning and we did receive a few comments that  with regards to buffer that there most comments did not give a specific distance but they would generally say not near the schools so i guess you could take from that that they would prefer the furthest distance possible but again most comments were more general of not near schools we did receive one that said five hundred feet specifically another said three hundred feet and one comment said no buffer with regard to signage we only received two comments and they were basically treat same as liquor stores and then with regards to the permit process we only received ten comments eight suggested or asked for a special permit process and two said that they would be comfortable with by right in that's pretty much what we've received so far with regards to comments so they're fairly generic at this point this is more of a qualitative feel quantitative feel in the sense that there are a number of cases where you'd like to have respond but you don't have responses so you have a very large number of no comments on that we would assume that they knew that he represented people who were in the audience at that  soon i would think it as you take steps to to put more specific miles together the comments would become more specific and provide more guidance on the direction that you would like this it's always easier to react to something you have place well i think that we saw this people who were motivated who didn't show up at the last round of hearings before the meeting vote because the expectation was that this was going to up or down vote referendum and a lot of those those people are enthusiastic about that are now coming to to pay attention more to the fact that there's owning required here and that would be needed  but it was pretty well balanced i thought marijuana which has a broader allows a broader buffer in terms of the uses to buffer medical dispensaries from marijuana dispensaries from the don't use marijuana regulations only allow this is the max that the regulations allow five hundred feet and you can see that even with the macs there still is a fair amount of commercial area allow in this area over here some a business so this is the d p w yards which obviously i mean unless the town decides to get rid of its property it's not going to become anything beyond  to clean the zoning up that's exactly it is a split zone again you know high schools it's not going anywhere now we keep hearing that this actually need more space more land area so that on the other side of that you have this another sort of retail strip mall that used to be the public farm or they used to be of these be it always interest rate that's in cambridge but that's an area and then it goes back and then the other area that was known for don't use marijuana is the  this that you had to because this also spat perhaps by a state referendum vote we had to allow it to occur in town in an area that was indeed usable yes so that was the cabby out that this was all presented in and i think that's part of the reason why how meaning wasn't too no sorry there's three hundred so three hundred is what the medical marijuana by law has three in a foot buffer again however the medical marijuana by law allows for offers public conversation in the e mails that we received as i mentioned previously there was somebody suggested that perhaps if we had an outline of what the process is to get a permit people would be a feel better so the next slide is that process now is a much more previewed version of it that was sent to you but you can see that in order to go well there were four different steps it was just so so this is go so if you are somebody who would like to open up an adult use marijuana business in the town establishment in the town of belmont this is what you have to go through and you can't go you have to follow the pa you can't skip to the next step and you can't do each step you can't just up simultaneously you actually have to complete it to the step until yes and you have to act others notices this is the process now within each step depending on the use there might be certain specific things that they have to further do but generally speaking this is the process that regardless of whether or not you're producing cultivating testing or have are selling this is the process of the followers so the first thing you have to do is you have to reach out to the community engage in public conversation and you have a public meeting and you have to negotiate a community host agreement the community host agreement is that's the document that we keep saying that you can have a three percent up to three percent tax beyond the three percent sales tax  t also adopted for to cover expenses that are associated to hosting a marijuana establishment say for example you do drug education outrage  the business then you have to go before the cameras control commission which is referred to as a c c c and there's an application process and that's really where the regulations really guide how we develop the by law that license can't be issued until the community outreach has been completed and you can sort of buy that indeed it's been completed so that's that gets you a license from the state there is a requirement during that  again now there's another opportunity that we are going to look at what this business is the couple the interesting things around the application packets as you'll see there's the management and operation profile  this is one of the things that is required is a waste in disposable disposal management plan so if there is a down the day if there's any marijuana products that are expired the state is there a concern about how baucus disposed of into this very detail plan and base that a business has to put together in order to show how we gets disposed of the other dealers because this is a cash business and because of product that is being sold there's a lot of concern around security so they have to do detailed plans around security as well  the next step once you get your license then you go to the board of health down board of health and there's a whole application process there and they have all kinds of operation restrictions one of the interesting things is state law says you can't you have to be old you have to be at least twenty one to consume and to purchase the belmont has increased that to twenty five years of age where the only at this point and at the time the board of health did this they dropped it this past march we were the only community that had the twenty five year age limit i don't know if that's been the community doing that or have done that but  the thing about the twenty five years also is that once you enter the establishment you have to present your id mediately to show that you are at least twenty five years of age if you're not twenty five you're not allowed in the establishment to do or  into a jewelry store yes yes the other thing that i found interesting with the board of health regulations is that there is no self service display unlike going into c v s where you can grab a box of and you know a bag of chips and go to the counter there's no south service here everything has to be handled through an agent which is what they call the that generally salespeople an if and so on i think the day because it's just bush permit you can either you can say no to the business assuming there are some legitimate reasons to say no so if it was if it was planning borders  to make sure that in the end it's all done and that the police department have a chance to review it to make sure that there's nothing else that they want to say i want to see it but if the selectmen of already weighed in on it then like i feel like you are should we be the last stop for this process said they'll have to talk with a landlord or by he simply to do something like that so it has to be fixed at that point yes the location is fixed at the beginning of this process the beginning the process now what's your sense of how long this process now this is just this is an extensive process yes goes through a lot of things so what we have the election and let's say o august yeah i mean the regular special permit granting process takes anywhere from three to six months so i would suspect that that would be the you know the no other least something it's got what it's got public input in each of the is public input at the beginning there's public input again when it comes back to the that's that's where the decision gets made a go or no go so this is quite a long process for anybody who wants to go through this right in the us i think that's when the comic was raised to sort of through sort of a brief outline of this process to me to toss it seemed like a really good idea because i mean it's just not you know joe blow's not going to wake up tomorrow morning saying you know what i'm kind of bored of my life a little bit marijuana stablished in the next week  think they're going to be open in selling popcorn it's not that kind it's not that kind of process the documentation of what the country can of us control commission as we choir in french disclosure forms all kinds yeah yeah yeah so we have to put zoning in place in either case and our zoning will go through this process of discussion and i have to say the discussion today is very interesting very informative both for the board and for people at home in terms of this book we will have zoning in place to bring to town meeting in where the board is looking to take the month of august off we need to start drafting and violent i'm very soon you know the beginning of september we need to have a by law starting to be worked out by the board or will be more information provided to the board in order to answer the call to those those to answer those four questions so i'm we're looking to you for direction and how do think you're comfortable this point to start filling some of those holes that we can start drafting by law are you going to use the medical as a frame more like if i have a question about what the incorporated it you know just looking at i think that stores like craft beer cellar and the wine shops in cushing and in the center did it were instrumental in really perking up the downtown life and a cannabis facility could potentially be the same but it's going to be so strictly regulated in terms of signage and a bility to see into it that it just becomes that kind of scary box maybe with a security guard standing outside of it or in a vestibule i might you know i guess that's going to inform my decision on whether is it a is it a potentially positive thing that could improve the character of the germ of a general business district or is it something that we should put out of the way so the only thing that you speak to signage that you can't do that you can't put the leaf you can't put you know picture somebody smoking i mean there are those kind of things you can't but it doesn't mean you can't you still have a nice sign that says you know stars  it you know i mean can still be a nice you know goalie sign of stuff like that a store front window in the store front window and see people shopping inside so that's the that's the piece that i have to get clarity on because in the uk all regulations you have to from the outside you have to be able to look inside if you're on the outside right ok and i'm not sure i believe that's the same thing under the state regs for alcohol regulations the interior science to also it was subject to review and approval so it's not just the outside it can also be the interior signage as well so anyway sorry this is this could be as or steers a dentist office right which you which we wouldn't really want to know general business district on the ground floor maybe up stairs i know it's not a storefront on the other hand you know what else is allowed to be sold in these shoes store for example paraphernalia like this at all the regulations spoke to anyone doing it ok say ok which is which is they used the statement lasers and turn agent for whether or not you are a clark or you know you loading the shelves or whatever because you have to actually get a you have to go through training to be able to work in a maryland establishment and so they used the term agent in the regulations but it doesn't say whether or not you have to hire to to you know help us in terms of development in the liveliness of the commercial districts you know basically a blank door is not doesn't because i mean you know we could choose to other things that are legal that they be are looked down on you could you know put them in place that you don't want them but does that really reflect what the voters voted for and we still need to see what people in town think as we're just hearing bits and pieces i think you know the part that we've got up to this time in terms of the process is very we're talking about all the commercial districts at the moment yes big big obviously the question to the board is where do you where do you want where do you see where would you like to see these be located i mean i'm presuming that you don't want them in course the the other ones i would suspect that we're not going to see anything else except this but the other ones i mean the testing was is just silly you know a regular  you know this mall kind of thing i mean although potentially there could be somebody that you could you could open up and you could do testing you have twenty thousand square foot lab right  know which the only place that that would really work well would be like a although we haven't heard any interest from them about this i have two questions that i think we can invite people in on to answer one is that i'd like to understand what in terms of concern about crime and what the impacts are for the police department in terms of their reaction times what's the difference in their minds between having something on me street versus on that kind of thing so it would be nice to to invite the police chief to come in talk to us and the other is getting a sense from people in the business community and particularly landlords we heard on does a man would have to know about this right but it was a legitimate question therefore it was somehow required and of course it's not but i think would be nice to hear from a few others out there to see what the potential interest is somehow i don't know how you know how we do that try to reach out to the business owners and of them ask them to come to their specific we invite them to one of republican hearings that raise the whole issue of if you put it banks i don't know if somebody will develop a co op which i think would be reasonable thing to do for this kind of thing but we'll see it here terms of that  also if you if we put it someplace just thinking about issues that you put it in a far place then then you've got people making specific trips as opposed to spending their money on other things so you would go there it's like going to the farmer's market so you go to the farmer's market you get to get sublight as you can get some good you know you can somebody goes to commercial district well look in some beer get some marijuana advertise a product or make the product there in the window or make an attractive place to go then children will be attracted to it somehow but i mean it's you know there's a flip side to all of this stuff if you put the cash only got transaction off in a corner somewhere and that makes it perhaps more susceptible to robbery if you put it into heavily populated areas if there is a robbery going to put more people at risk so you know there are pluses and minuses rightly as a thing that was not a concern to raise about traffic and parking issue settling on that is just fine with the other thing they realize in this conversation i forgot to do here is that there was a concern that if belmont allows this just in belmont center just for have rejected it with the show because some some towns said no from the beginning those communities have a much easier process just saying no in general so burlington that said no i haven't done any research we haven't done any research and story on what the other three hundred forty nine communities in the state are doing but i presume that we could probably find that produces lost think five hundred you know doesn't really exclude a whole lot three hundred doesn't really open it up much more but the idea that seems reasonable going small it doesn't make any difference you know lower than that it's not going to open up in places that would know that one and i think that that's a valuable thing for the community to understand that there is no difference between the lowest and the highest buffer in terms of what as opposed to you know we i mean you can't go into retail place of what the retail places unless it's a restaurant and you know the walls are blank and they walk and you look through th i hate to say this because i think i was on the argument when we did the g r that sort of brought up the thing that we should make the plane with this before agree i think we should make the plane with the special  for all these things is that people feel more comfortable with the playing board and i think we've sort of shown that we have i mean i think he does it but that there's sort of an open process and there's more of a dialogue between you know the policy aspects of the you know i think the playing board does that part of it again we could it could go i mean alcoholism has basically by right  the spring we begin to do our design and so current review these are the issues that we think are these ten or twelve issues that still need to be addressed from the the planning board's point of view lofty so their job would be to fill in the blanks of this and when they actually have something that we can work with it comes to us i think i mean they're the issues here are the you know the building materials the circulation or all of these are important issues in the fight but i think what's going to happen though my sense is is that the whole issue of traffic is circulation and the 's an issue that isn't that that's a political issue you're that's a political issue and that's an issue that has to be addressed and it has to be worked on so if you want to reach out to  but i think this is a great list i think this shows a lot of work has been done c n d and it did a really great job and it's a hard project but there's a lot of things involved in and and leave the picky add it to this list i think it's a great one under circulation that says single occupancy vehicle and i think really we're talking about all the killer i mean it's not just i mean single occupancy is an issue but they're going to be multiple people in vehicles driving all over the place so it's really i don't know if you want to use words just vehicle  give and honestly for a project this complex is not something you know i mean this is a very complex you know project and these are things some of them are not around the edges but many of these things are things go is in the process of building a new access road and a separate gymnasium building in some classroom in the ministry of offices and the what was also what was happening at the same time which influenced that decision was a massive massachusetts supreme court case that was challenging the definitions of what is a public meeting what is  public conversation i mean what is a public conversation in violation of the open meeting and so because that was going on the same time and ultimately that that had drafted the decision we have to play more in which is typical process we do and had the chair at the time review it and so she provided it to me that i then incorporated into the decision which is typical of how the board has always operated and then the knot was forwarded to the planning board in their regular packet for you get all your information well because that document was not made public at the same time it was received by the plane before it was seen to be in violation of the open meeting law that action additionally there were some sub committee meetings that were occurring and one of them specifically the result of that was a meeting with the fire department and the chair to keep the board informed now have two three main issues that we now have to live with for now on the board basically third point really is just to make sure that occur no mean e mailing occurs amongst more members even if there is no response to that e mail which is what the board's been pretty good about any time soon the boys are very good about not doing that anyway so that's just a but that's just to read a ration of what what not to do basically what this is is that any document including building plans that are reviewed and revised based on a planing board members input can not be just forwarded to the planning board prior to the public meeting there are two ways that those revised plans can be handled or can be distributed one is either way to the night of the public airing and distribute those revised plans so that the board as a whole doesn't get gets those revised plans  same time as the public as an opportunity to them as well or when those plans are forwarded to the planning board that they get posted on the town's foot slash planning board web page stated at that time and i can see now this is going to happen is that unfortunately people complain about the public process this potentially has an effect of making the public process worse because one can't subtle changes that you all i mean time to think about even the smallest changes winterizing that you all need time to think about and figure out how to process if you're how you want to deal with those and in a five minute ten minute presentation you're not going be able to make that determination guidelines and you know g r guidelines and finish developing the answer seem guidelines and looking at those things because we want to be able to inform the applicants that the prior board had tried to do was to establish some gatekeeping past where the night of the first public hearing  so as to so as to try to truncate the process and to not make people waste time and money get into the big picture questions first don't get bogged down in whether or not it's six of the one for windows or whether or not it's  direction so that we know we're clearly and it's going to cause us and it with wire us to be pushing back on you like ok where are we going with this what do you how do you want to see this going forward that's what i think if we do that i think it'll it'll cost us some time at the beginning but i think it's better in the long run and what the complaints about us is that is that you know death play a thousand pieces but what the problem is is that it's a public process for us we're not the community development staff you know our input is the different is a different kind of thing and as we've said before when you watch the flame what you're watching the sausage made and sometimes it's painful but that's the process and that's the public transparent process then you're probably going to see the implication of this is that you'll see more of this and i think we've been we've tried to be very careful in the past you know since this issue is come up in terms of like posting meetings and you know when we will meet with people and all of those things i mean one of the things that  example in the next week that's coming up a cushion square neighborhood group has a number of questions about the cushing square project it would probably be easier for them to meet in a smaller group but it's transparent for them to meet with us and the meeting of the planning board ask all the questions that they have or any other group has and let us answer them at that point in time and there's no confusion about what we said or what we didn't say   if he if plans are revised and then submitted to us in then redistributed to the board at the same time that we need to get bored so it's on a friday they have to be posted  school discussion is that the both the proponents and the relevant boards have asked for and and have have had developed alternatives the thing that one of the things that first was very frustrating about the belmont day school project is that the planning board never asked for what would you do if you couldn't do this  from ellen from town court today indicating that the tutorial by john counsel on this is going to be next tuesday during the planning but i think it's ironic that he's been held at the same time because  to do is to be as transparent as we can about these things announce her meetings publish the information respond to questions and make sure the public understands what's happening planned are up on the website of the c p s and i heartily recommend that you look at them since we won't be seeing them i think they do face triple row they are taller so it will provide a little bit of a higher wall but i can't remember and only goes to  i mean any real and waverly square is dependent on what you can do about parking unless we start waving parking requirements but so it's what's interesting in terms of the square you know pictures worth a thousand words of thing i think that will be very useful so i think all the work we've done up to this point is useful in terms of that and in terms of so pleasant street whatever's going to happen and so was a street i think we have to let them come to us and then you lay the groundwork for what we can do so at this point i think we've got a good beginning on these things and i think we'll be able to go forward you know later in the fall i would say these things are probably come to something in the spring you've been very patient with us only when you want to come forward and talk to us about the microphone with introduce yourself you know the routine introduce yourself tell us what's happening  you if you deem that it's a major change that it has to be reopened for public comment in a public hearing if you deem that it's a minor change then it can they can move forward with the work or you would side if you would approve it or not approve it but they would have to be reopened for publicly or improve while i guess we can because we've done this on christians where we get so great so why this is before you are is because this is the first time that there's been a change like this this is an increase in square footage and they're going to increase of the front elevation there have been other changes that staff has been because there were also a fair amount of public comment on this project we just felt it was the safest way was to bring this before you decide whether you think it's minor or major minor can be decided tonight major we would have to reopen existing porch is is i see it is not in feet by three and a half feet and but the but the porch inclosing the porch doesn't that porch doesn't really change the footprint of the house that much  it from a visual standpoint just you're filling in a corner so i don't see that is the issue you are pushing out the front porch front porch is a little bit bigger as i recall than just the steps  for practical matter we're only talking about a couple feet in the increase in the footprint of the center entry was something that we had been encouraging from the very beginning and as i recall we were concerned you know concerned about th entry seemed a little odd so in some sense we're looking at an improvement i did like the simplicity of the reports that you had on the side of this it looks a little leverage i don't know what's going on with all those extra if it has a significant impact in the least in terms of the overall footprint of the house and the fact that it didn't close the porch material it doesn't change the perception of the massive property i  that we could do i hear a motion from the board that the alterations in thirty three knocks street as propose applicant to reflect this will be our condition to reflect the changes that mr pickett to suggest to in terms of the architectural facets of the new front porch hire a consultant to do a lot of firing the general by lots he made it the consult and what they did was able to make it searchable so if you have a word you can now about six thousand dollars to do to do this project it wouldn't that would not be enough money to do the entire project based on your experience of gender bias but it would get a significant amount of work done she's been carrying this money for five to six years and she's done carrying it it's now becoming week trying to make that argument to the work committee to carry it over because you know one point in time  board how they want to answer this question she just holding this money do you want to pursue this meaning we caught a fine and cleaning up the zoning bylaws  and because it would require that this would have to be done this coming you would have to spend this money this coming year so it would be a project that would be by july of twenty nine to june thirtieth right ye actually do not have to go when this is done do we have to bring this to everybody yes because this is what yes is what started the past five years i remember right because for i mean if there is a proposal five or six years ago for this amount of money to do it well that's this day and age they could probably change three thing for that and that's why she said it's not going to cover the entire thing but it would use my concern ok you do that then we get on the board that then we get to a meeting and somebody decides they want to change the zoning bylaws and you can change the language at that point because that because they have to prove it so they can put amendments and in things and change the zone by law without going through the whole process that we go through so my feeling is that i don't see any opened up in town meeting is the whole business of the approach we've discussed for the marijuana vial and so i would say let us get through that issue by itself in town meeting and then come back and see if we want to i think i think i think i'm sympathetic to the idea that this is not the time to open up the whole entire i'm just afraid to get into town meeting and somebody submit him then that makes a change in all of the sudden we've got the g r zoning for example that we spent all this time and all the sudden he gets limited yes but still but still for that one that when i'm just thinking about that one in particular we just got a two hundred thirty something to sixteen vote to you know extended and get rid of the time  just language where we were calling different things different things from time from place to place and the other one is a little more complicated words there's a there's a sort of a i know that the difference between the us or c in the in the g r zoning pieces we were you were started to open that question up and we kind of said wait let's let's go back because it's too complicated and what we really want to just it's simple changes so so in a way i think it would depend on what the scope of this was if it were just cleaning up language does that really i guess what would have to be it would have to be here is that it would have to be the scope would have to piece defined right i mean we don't necessary get complaint i mean i haven't heard any complaints about this on balance yeah it probably could be worded better than you can this is going to be dealt with but you know we don't think we want to be accused of cheating ok ok that's a good one from eight ok last paragraph mr pinkerton was please more page one was pretty good with the design but wondered that's all there was to tell you is easy the last ones may fifteenth to use all have to do with me right i read all of it so my first name showed up for some reason in there when i talked about the waiver of the seventy four thing i was misstating things i think what i was and saying things as clearly as i should have at that when i think what i meant to say is that what was proposed for the special use was inconsistent with the zoning bylaw and i think i had also said at some point in time that this exact situation where you have where we had before we had you had seventy feet and seven thousand square foot to do anything in the g r the law was changed to in two thousand and fifteen to allow development of the small wazza single family lots and that's what i meant to say in terms of that and that the proposal is inconsistent with the zoning and i may not have said that clearly enough but when i was saying make it smaller i meant to say make it a single family problems that we have with this and because you want to put it to family and you look at the plans and you only have fifty feet that's why it's jamming it that's why cindy's talking about you going to put something an entrance on the side which is against the zoning ok so this so you're creating nonconformity which we're not supposed to do so i would like it to reflect