point seven eight years of the class property being carted off of their property and being combined with the lowly property which no new lot being created the cost property gets  four acres so believe he must meet or minimal requirements all the proper set backs are shown on the existing las mccloskey one in the new the new lot the house has to build at all other utilities are available for as part of the building permit i'm going to point out that if part of the township issuing a building permit for want to build a new house they have to submit it with their building  based on the existing population school age population that's the number of buses that we've been asked and she also included that if the student population increases significantly that which she's saying is too bussing will you then ask for the elementary one so right now we're essentially talking about four trips a day through the neighborhood career in a neighborhood where a school bus is going to be anyway picking up the kids who live there there are three buses in every neighborhood very few towns exactly say on i guess my question is if there is a future i should say there will be obviously future expansion in terms of the size of the school population but in reality that end of the township is largely built up to the extent there's that there's going to be ordered all of it increased in the student body it's going to come from the other side of the trip so i can imagine that the school district is going to be running buses past you know past see you so at that time i didn't know and you didn't know what type of bus traffic we're talking about now we know who i think it's going to the school district was kind of being a little bit vague as to what their intentions were with that road in our concern was that it was going to be an all open access road access to sports fields up on top of the hill so that's definitely not the case use school bus use this time so that the plan is you know that that access which will i can put the plan on the down exodus would be approximately you know in this series here that developer basically when we went through this process everyone i thought was on the same page the supervisors as well as planning that there would just be for emergency in the thought behind was this is an exclusive high end carry on development  townhomes it's adjacent to the high school if it's open to high school it's no longer a walking community for patio homes that's exclusive it's like kids are coming right through here it's best uses now for starter families you know we can get more town homes and patio homes they can walk right to the high school that's basically it there's a huge supply of hers for living patio homes coming on the market in the next two years it's very competitive and they have school buses going right through the middle is a risk we don't really want to take this point so it's don't watertown risk just for selling our prices are the competitors it's more of a high and you know our product higher price point and the people buying our existing stuff you know their first question is always about kids where there's kids that live here there's no restriction on kids we're currently in our community there's cereal and i just think seen school buses every day and you know even the potential of kids whole thing for our development just having you know the kids be with in the neighborhood we're going to the emergency thing in we didn't understand the supervisors when they sent the letter was written in big asleep would've like thirty days after but as soon as we understood there's not one succeeded but even if there is one there's homes that actually face that road and just seen the school bus every day and just for our product it's a higher end products you know it's more expensive than the competition in many cases and i think it makes it less desirable that was two bedrooms and possibly three bedrooms three veterans to have bass in b why do we not think there would be children living in the development and i mean we've done it already market we've done it could be anything looking at it practically the school district isn't going to run interest or running their bodies on three year because it's not a convenient way to get it corrected in additionally with that burbage you know how they see fit in the future for events and stuff you could turn into friday night with you guys i believe we've limited the size of the roads in the future they can not open it up because of their reason because it makes a lot of sensors are easily traffic problems with the high school and solves a lot of problems if we all remember that we  recommend that we recommend a council event a condition to say that there will be no more than one bus trip per day to each school and that it can be used only for urgency purposes other than that period no leeway as to soccer traffic no leeway as to anything else peavey's been there fifty years i'm sure close to fifty years in that location granted when i was there because your early eighty's it man it's always managed to work now i don't see why it can't continue to work that way in the future because there's no additional land out there the school district in place it worth what it feels on the archimedean you feel there's going to be no more new parking what's up there is up there and you know the amount of traffic that generates is definitely i mean you might get in the idea that we'll with this up to anything other than two buses a day and emergency you said i think not only puts this neighborhood you know a bad situation but traffic everywhere but yet it's limited to a very small volume today or whatever you want to put on it's seems very minor and would to me does not change the nature of the development but that's yeah but i do have a plan i mean if you're concerned about you know in reality if the kids in the neighborhood decide first of all high school kids are while there's a high school kids don't walk to school right they'll drive right you  that there will be no more than two roundtrip trips per day on the access road the access road will be gated and then other than the two roundtrip bus here is the conservation residential overlay the brown is the mixed residential thing you know in draft form here  this map shows that two thousand seven hundred fifty three undeveloped groups would be would be overlaid with the conservation residential overlay zone and four hundred ninety two acres the residential so the purpose of discussing this we you tonight is to you know if you guys take a look at this map you see properties that you think should not be included either mark  either c r m r or their properties the e c that we've potentially need to include in the you don't need to do that night  also be included maybe in the conservation residential overlays it's an overlay to in two to explain that just real quickly is the underlying zoning of most of these properties is or dash one a single family convention that option to develop that way still exist this just adds another option that they could potentially use the c r overlay or the m r so residential it's still way kind of work in progress we have a meeting coming up the seven is similar seventeen of the development community they're professionals surveyors engineers landscape architects to be they've been given copies of the draft and they've been looking at it and reviewing it we value their input there is specially the design professionals who are potentially using this to apply to a development here peters meet with them to sever seventy we hope to in early january have it in that's but i don't want to go into too much detail if there are things in even the c r m r that you guys see that you have questions about you can just e mail me or let me know  the input that we've received so far from residents whose properties are being targeted from developers from design professionals their theory happy  we were with what we were moving types of development regulations we have been here that you know it will be very appealing to them to use the overlay in developing a piece of property in the sea are designed to it's a single family zoning overlay and it's its design to allow design flexibility so that we get open space  types of housing that we're seeing develop here tuesday as you know we're predominantly large law single family residential this is these two districts will work to diversify favorably to the conservation is that whether such a weighted towards it or is it more because we currently are mostly single family dwellings and we want to  provide for a better balance going forward while the development community and they're there telling us that's what the market wants and we don't have the  accommodate their scene in the hands of market so they've been very anxious to get this up and running they have been designing potential developments using have more public open space parks and just just general preservation areas which if i recall i'd interview the ordinance but will be in a conservation type easement area that are not able to be gives the developers an opportunity to create neighborhoods that use open space right within the neighborhood so they've been very very receptive crafts we reduce the burden on the township to for store sewers and roadways since you're seeing that big push now for that neighborhood development where it's pushing people closer to the street to reactivate and engage the street with need the setback is not less than fifteen and no more than twenty feet from the road so right now we're talking thirty five fifty the max is twenty place we've been working with air traffic engineers to make sure that we're not going to worry of that overburdened traffic in certain areas we don't want to make it worse plus we have a traffic i streets integrating the pride of looking at what thirteen twelve lots on ten acres so what type of densification per whelming unit are we looking at with a conservation is it a ten percent uptick same amount of people just not tired more open space that seems far more powerful than it was our idea is that you know that there will be different types of housing that's designated for m r which is the ground in the sea or you have options if you go with twenty five percent of the gross site is a space you can be the line or where you're not going to eclipse the density that sustained by the area