this all right and so with that will move on to the public comment period i would like to invite the public to address the council about anything that's not  ok so seeing hearing none i'm going to take a moment under public comment to just make a quick comment open up the councils would like to address the issue but i know we've had a lot of outreach from folks in our community in regards to recent national events and specifically as it relates to what i would call the travesty that took place and charlottesville we're really proud of the work that's been done in this community we look at our neighbors as the people living next door and don't really call that deeper than that we judge each other based off of what it is we do for the community in the way we interact and neighborly basis and that's been  really consistent theme in the new city and what i think this government's stood for a number of times the other thing i'm very proud of is the fact that we have proactively done things towards those inside not just in reaction and the negative towards the opposite feelings it's ok to oppose hate and that's a great thing to do it's another thing to spread the seeds of love acceptance and being a welcoming community i want to come in this group for doing that and mostly commend our residents and citizens for providing that is the tone that we have to work with as a city council open up the off trade to for any other council as soon as i mention some others may want to say something political as well which is good but i think personally i feel like not to kind of like jump on the bandwagon of everyone else kind of thing but i think it's important for us in this kind of trying time to just keep reinforcing that message we've taken that kind of like very positive proactive messaging which i think is good which is part of our kind of like lifeblood here but i think maybe a little bit of reaction to kind of the negativity out there too could be positive overall too so i think personally i'd love for us to have some sort of formal resolution just kind of reinforcing all the good  doing but also kind of doing what others have done as far as you know calling you know some specific stuff in regards to you know some of the most recent events and making sure that we are you know community members so i do think we are holding to that responsibility in some ways providing some level of leadership for us and contributing to the national voice speaking out against it and then i residents those values have to reflect down to the basis of how you're structuring policy and when you ski down and then it's just an important reminder to that we all come from our individual backgrounds and it's important to be open to community members who may come to us with experiences based on their backgrounds that we don't understand due to the privilege that we have come in being sure that we're open accessible  unavailable to community members and responsive if we are approached by community members with concerns based on their experiences we'll said oh great so i think will work on some of them  around so if you do need to pull that one out and have another discussion about the details we can certainly do that but otherwise i would also entertain a motion on the consent engine as presented and some motion by currently for the warning signs are currently and we hope that cuts down on people kind of bouncing back and forth across the park and say play a couple public works it's clean water week in from aren't very preparing for the slip lining for the water lines that will start right around the beginning of september so people may see trucks out in the street we are not anticipating any street closures we think we can pretty much manage end and have interviews started just starting next week public works directors we got not a huge response but a really quality response so we have four candidates we're moving on to interviews again hopefully starting next the planning and zoning manager position is also out i've got a couple responses to that i bring this up to say i think the reputation of when you ski as an exciting place to be is really helping us are right now with pipes and placement so why were there was a lot of confusion last time and a lot of folks posting when it's done drinking water although that's not entirely a practice in and of itself that's not what we're doing right now up we have thank you very much jesse accept your counsel reports including my dog lying in a puddle which was not helpful when you're home but nonetheless i did want to report out on the fact that we have representation at the twin states basketball game i happen to think it was three weeks ago four weeks ago now my daughter was representation for the news he had school girls basketball squad down there and the girls actually won the championship this year  through public safety commission for public input and consideration as well as some components going through the community services commission as well that's what i do for you i will add just in case those are good june nineteenth meeting of city council their charter for a new way to get housing commission was approved for appointees to full time seats were approved by council at the august seventh city council meeting and the remaining slate of recommended appointees to fill the five full time feeds into alternate seats are being presented for approval plus one additional alternate so that i recommend that we appoint bobbie are now to a full time seat one year term expiring six two thousand and eighteen christine plot to alternate seat number one a two year term expiring six two thousand and nineteen leslie black plume zero to alternate seat number two and leslie couldn't be with us this evening  to seat number two one year term expiring six two thousand and eighteen and ana wage lying to alternate seat number three one year term expiring six two thousand and eighteen and we have here  post so one thing that we could have done just to know a little differently in this folly and one thing i think we're going to have a conversation about maybe just general is with groups a lot of times with alternate there's a little confusion about the steps in grants provided through fee transfer fine or either a municipal project manager personally or in the city to hire and a consultant to play that role to to manage the funds the engineering the construction of the work we have a new city engineer project manager brian at our brian lambert and he's still under his background has been vetted by the trans and they are willing to accept him as a project manager he would a great manager on the project anyway the advantage to us in naming our internal staff to this role is that we don't have to expend plant funds to pay another consultant to do this management work so we can spend more of the grant funds on actual infrastructure so we passed a resolution say three meetings ago now i think so we've worked for a number of years decades on obtaining what we would call real and substantial input into both operations and strategic decisions are being made at the roads and the national airport it's a terrific time to remind everybody point in time following the most recent efforts since we passed a resolution asking for a number of things in november a number of steps to be taken that also went on addressed the city of new  of it is still intact and you know at the risk of again going through the entire resolution encourage folks to go back after three meetings and watch that if you want to see me through discussion about it what we're really resolving is a number one in the city of include regional infrastructure governance and ownership and number three that should neither of those actions requested by the first two items be initiated in a reasonable period of time that the governor and state of vermont appoint a committee made up of representatives from affected communities in the region the state can develop a plan for this action and this resolution is also going for three other regional communities c you know at this juncture really advocating that this be original effort similar the way we've we rally around other transportation issues and some of the way with most recently rallied around the issue of of of dispatch and think that we passed a resolution that had had a lot of additional language in there that i'm still fully supportive of very frankly and i don't think that by passing this resolution we're waiting that went away and i think it's important so what you have it from you tonight is the two thousand and seventeen jag grant application for those of you eric this is your first time probably seeing this this is a federal grant that's passed down to the state level on using crimes statistics and then based on the level of activity within that state if you reach a ten thousand dollars threshold using that formula it's awarded directly passed through to the local jurisdiction so this year's we came in at ten thousand and seventy one dollars we just made that threshold so if you look at your application i've asked for a quick meet again this year we're looking to upgrade our our best carriers that was a request amy to the budget process last year that didn't make the cut so i'm trying to take care of that upgrade without having to use local tax dollars and then one of the top honor requests from the police union during this last negotiation i'm sure it would have been there in this next negotiation was to get ballistic plates that they could put in those carriers that would stop a rifle round so those are the two pieces of equipment that will be issuing to each officer any questions or concerns from the  and just waiting for it to come up and it does look like it's a long presentation but it's a lot of one point five so then we still have an opportunity to get out of here in a reasonable amount of time today so i'm not the one who's running that  is and this report really is meant to be useful to you i think our intent is to provide this quarterly to the council so if there is information here that as this is the first time you're seeing it that you want present a different way different kind of  ok so i want to start by going through what the methodology was behind this report it's been generated using only data from the u s census the one exception is affordable units data which was derived from v h f base housing data vermont website gentrification is defined of the census track level following urban planning standards and the criteria for defining tracks as at risk or eligible for gentrifying were defined prior to data and analysis and they were consistently applied based on most cited planning studies standards and the reason for me doing that is so i could keep any sort of bias that i may have out of it because the way that you define of the way that you set up the metrics you can basically make data say whatever you would like it to say so i set that up in advance to keep that from happening indicators of gentrification were drawn from new ski housing needs assessment in addition to an urban slide will go right to it right now so i do want to acknowledge up front that gentrification is in and of itself a politically charged term it's an inconsistently defined term  depending on who you're talking to and how they're defining it they may see it as a positive thing or a negative thing so the term itself within urban planning is kind of seen as having limited use the reason that i'm using it here is because i've heard it so many times in this community that i feel like we need to have a working definition of what it is it's pretty regular for people to misconstrue revitalization as gentrification and there are a wide variety of things from a starbucks coming in means gentrification to you know higher income people coming in gentrification when in fact that's conflating issues so for the purpose of this report gentrification is defined as the process by which higher income households display significant numbers of lower income residents of a neighborhood thus changing the essential character and flavor and the origin of the term is really from a study in london sociologist ruth glass observed that one by one many of the working class quarters have been invaded by the middle class upper and lower once this process of quote gentrification starts in a district it goes on rapidly until all or most of the working class occupiers are displaced and the whole social character of the district is change so you'll see that some of the things that i'm bringing up in this brookings institution definition of gentrification are inherent in the origin of the term in one nine hundred sixty four i also want to speak a little bit to gentrification versus revitalization it is frequently gentrification companies revitalization but revitalization does not always mean gentrification  and this little chart is taken from the current institute for the study of race and ethnicity kind of defining the differences between the two gentrification and i think you'll find if you go through all of those things is more about a narrowing and limiting whereas revitalization is about an expansion of available resources and north of the railroad tracks and track twenty five which is the remainder of the city in defining gentrification eligibility and risk criteria i used a model that's based on lance freeman of columbia university's research he's one of the foremost scholars in gentrification research and is one of the most cited academics in gentrification studies so the census tracks are considered eligible or at risk for gentrification when one median household income is in the bottom forty five percentile for the surrounding tracts and two median home values for the tract are in the forty percent or below eligible census tracks are considered to be gentrifying when one median household income is increasing at a rate in the top third of surrounding tracts and two median home values for the tract are increasing at a rate in the top third of surrounding track so this is eligibility risk criteria as of two thousand  based on median household income in the year two thousand they also qualified as at risk for gentrification based on medium home value in the year two thousand and i have set up a system whereby and x in one of the census tracks means it does not meet criteria and a check mark means it does meet the criteria so for rising median income track twenty four does not meet criteria and track twenty five does meet the criteria and you'll see here track twenty five is in the top third of census tracks for increasing the increase in median household income track twenty four is nowhere near it primary factors that we would look at city when he does not meet the criteria for gentrification however with that being said there are a whole bunch of things that are considered indicators of gentrification so some of those are growing disparity between renter and homeowner median income rapidly rising educational attainment decreasing poverty rate which has the potential to it's a potential displacement indicator disproportionate balance favoring luxury apartment over affordable of hartmann's rising number of residents working and high wage versus low wage industries and an increase in white only nine hispanic population are growing income disparity both tracks meet the indicator criteria this is the change in renter income as a percentage of homeowner income two thousand and two two thousand and fifteen two thousand and i'm sorry to two thousand and fifteen and also again by chinning county census tracks you'll see that both track twenty four and both track twenty five last percentage points in relation to homeowners so if the biggest increase in  difference in the year two thousand and fifteen renter income in track twenty five was forty percent of where income track twenty four renters earned only thirty nine percent of homeowners median income track twenty five renter income as a percentage of homeowner income dropped two percent more than track twenty four you see something that i broke down in terms of the renter versus homeowner median incomes so you could see what happened between two thousand and two thousand and ten versus what happened between two thousand and ten and two thousand and fifteen there were very large increases in median income between two thousand and two thousand and ten a fifty two percent increase in homeowner median income and a thirty five percent increase in renter income during that period of  time since then those have leveled off well homeowner has leveled off to a moderate three percent increase but it's concerning to see that renter income has decreased by eleven percent in the past five years so that is a growing and concerning gap and i think this just speaks volumes when you look at this graph when you see renter median income dropped from fifty percent of homeowner median income to thirty nine percent of homeowner median income over the last fifteen years and it is the only one that is just a straight dive the surrounding communities i'm really interested in what happened in williston in two thousand and ten because and it's something that i will look into because they were diving and something happened that turned that around or decreasing poverty or displacement we did not meet that criteria for gentrification so the percent of the population below the poverty line in two thousand and fifteen as shown here by census track city when writes this is the change in the percent of population below poverty level two thousand and ten to two thousand and fifteen again by census track and track twenty four is the only tracked of the two thousand and ten top ten highest poverty tracks to see an county here i've just broken it out by changing this is something that i've added since you saw the report the change in poverty rates for surrounding municipalities two thousand to two thousand and fifteen what is the poverty rate grew seventy two percent between two thousand and two thousand and fifteen so it went from fifteen point two percent in two thousand to twenty six point one percent so we certainly have quickly growing poverty rate and if you compare it with the surrounding communities you see that you know williston had a quickly growing poverty rate but went from one point five percent to four point four percent so not even on the same magnitude  number of individuals for whom poverty status was determined and these numbers have changed since the report that i sent you because i saw that there was an anomaly in the way that i was analyzing the data i was looking at households and what i sent you and the numbers that you're probably all familiar with would be twenty six point one percent poverty when you see that by individuals so i changed this to that same standard some things i found interesting about this is i've heard repeatedly and actually pretty much accepted it up until i started doing this analysis that there are the most poverty was down in the flats and that money was up in the heights and this is telling me that in the year two thousand that wasn't true so it's it's such a consistent report that it's strange to me two thousand and fifteen as you can see we've had a big increase in poverty rates by black troops concentration of poverty is generally  a poverty rate of forty percent or more of the sexes census track level some researchers place that at thirty percent and there's a lot of contention around that because the place that you start to see the negative impacts of concentration of poverty is actually twenty percent and it increases exponentially up until forty percent levels out so there are researchers who say it should be lower  luxury versus affordable units this again this is the section where i wasn't able to use census data and it doesn't mean that the data doesn't exist it means i couldn't find it so we did not meet the criteria in either census track the way that city housing needs assessment chose to define luxury units as those that are called luxury units within the city and so i use that data based on match what you see on the left is the rental rate distribution for two thousand and fifteen luxury market rate and affordable subsidized and then we see on the right is the same thing with affordable vouchers included so you'll see that we have when the vouchers are included we have fifty three percent affordable subsidized housing in the city seven percent luxury units and forty percent market rate would love to project t correct and then i also looked at you know to see if it was out of whack households with an income of seventy five thousand dollars or above would spend less than thirty percent of their income on renting the existing luxury units and when you ski as a two thousand and fifteen twenty seven percent of what you see households had an income of over seventy five thousand dollars and when you do that with renters it's fourteen percent so we have double the renters who could afford luxury units as we have luxury  is just a comparison of our this is just project base affordable rental units compared across surrounding communities when he provides the highest percentage of project based subsidize affordable housing units of all the surrounding municipalities and when you add again just breaking it out by tract i think i've covered and this is the location of luxury versus affordable units so each block group is broken out of the percentage of rental units that are subsidized the largest single largest is black group to entrap twenty five has seventy one percent of rental units that are affordable  another thing that was raised and this is new also one of the concerns that led to me doing this report was that the new units coming in were taking the affordable housing bonus information code so i didn't analysis quite by mistake i was looking at something else when i discovered this but so i looked at the units that are currently under construction and they actually come in price below the affordable housing threshold that we have written into our form base code but they do not have the contingency that they have to remain affordable for twenty years so but currently that concern is it seems to not be something we need to worry about and that will be monitored ongoing employment sector track twenty four meets this gentrification criteria track twenty five just not so looking low wage employment is falling on my wage employment is increasing and that's pretty consistent across the board so this is the percent change in high wage jobs by census tract both tracks met that criteria the increase in high wage job s only track twenty four had a decrease in low wage industry sector job and increase in white hispanic population neither track to meet this criteria are percent changed to white alone population two thousand and two thousand and fifteen is we had a decrease no increas so this is a basic scorecard of all the things that we've gone over i would say based on this i would not call this gentrifying it's usually the top two that would be used to determine whether or not you're gentrifying i would say we are experiencing revitalization so terms matter the things that i'm most concerned about having lived through this is the renter homeowner disparity that's happening in both tracts as well as the in anything poverty and the way that it's located so my recommendations would be to continue to monitor gentrification indicators and utilize the criteria informant established here as much as possible or you know if you have recommendations  have to get them i think continuing to compile and analyze data to drive decision making is crucial the data in here did not tell me what i have been told in the community but i have heard that story repeated a lot of times and i think data driven decision me having the data in the first place to be able to use it to drive decisions is really important and gauging the community in the master planning process to set the housing targets to identify community needs and to prioritize schools i think the affordable housing dialogue needs to be discussed at a regional level what we do and when you see can be proactive and excellent but if you have a surrounding county that is is gentrifying we're going to feel the effects here so we need to be having that ongoing we need to develop regional strategies for deacon's and treating property and we need to create programs and policies to mitigate growing income disparity between basis the next of the two thousand and sixteen american community survey is due to come out december seventh so i should be able to report on that new data in january that's my  in the number of subsidizing people subsidize units that we have we start with this baseline that's unlike any other community and yesterday and is actually i think fairly unique in the country in terms of the percentage of our housing stock that is subsidized deeply subsidize and that's always going to make a really interesting conversation point for how we look at that after that you can't just cut it out and set it aside but at the same time be kind of is what it is and there's everything else that happens after that and you have to really make this is what things are most like the world war so i think that's going to be a terms of you know when are affordable units no longer required to be affordable and which ones and you know so i think there's a lot more data to gather yeah there's there's a lot of there's a lot of that going on right now a lot of this hous into the housing commission work of a master planning work think about these values and benchmarks and and what we want to see in the next five or ten years what we want to aim at in other sectors will in impact our housing values so if we want you know making this up if we really want to focus on job creation for example and providing more opportunity for people to live and work in the new ski i'm not sure yet if that's going to be one of our values but if it is then we need to think about workforce housing across the spectrum so these conversations can happen have to be informed by other conversations we're having around energy cleaning services and employment and transportation  story questions concerns aversions how we're going to talk about capital planning across find and capital planning across years and happening across infrastructure and equipment so if you last you know i think i think it does a good job of that i think once we get here in the budging cizik in going back to to exactly explicitly with the church says because i know when we last time we updated the charter and there's some of those rules well they're out here some of them it's not it's using all of the standards balled into one and what is good accounting financial practice in choosing to do versus what the charter says i think it would be a nice crash course as we go into it because i think that's been a question in the past is most especially for folks looking at the first time it's going to be actually exciting to have another person come in the budget process for the first time begin those lives and the opportunity to test it again  similar to where i think we've stumbled impasses is budget pictures where the expected balance is going to be i'll speak a little bit for recall because she's not here and i know that something  good preventive maintenance plan on the structure there is a certain amount of funding that should be out here every year to continue that branding and what is that kind of steady state of infrastructure funding looks like and are we might we're not there so how do we ramp up to getting there or if we're not going to get there when are we not are totally committing not to do and i think that if we can  replace five percent of your sidewalk every year so over twenty years you are you're doing a premie and that's great news if then every year you are going to spend five percent of what a probably never fully get us there in terms of actually place with actual rough but we'd have a nice down in the other questions concerns this is a big step forward one that we've been have all of our infrastructure inventoried in that software and value and so it hasn't you know it has a replacement life of x or y or it's a very good condition good condition fair poor condition and then we'll be i and those opposed pushing piers thank you very much since you did have to work on this john and this may be for not she's john and then i are your representatives to the joints or become a so this is talking about our regional dispatch conversations so what we're bringing before you tonight is kind of an update be reviewed by the attorney general before it's brought to you for proof so the intention of the joint survey committee is to approve the draft union municipal district agreement on our next meeting for approval to send to the g to review before it comes back to you in the fall for a vote prior to bringing it to the residence as your representative i want to kind of brief you on where you are and where we are and give you an opportunity to ask questions and provide feedback before it gets to that review point because when it comes back to her vote to change it will be very difficult considering will have already gone through all this legal review so i'm going to start with a just really more for public's information and those who are new to this conversation really quick run through of the sides and then if you have any questions about the actual document just die proactively so th where we are now with this recommendation has been fed by the attorney the joint survey committee commission higher it's also been reviewed by our municipal attorney looking at it from the new ski standpoint   transferred to the local municipality that adds about seventy one extra seconds to a call so the idea of for a lot of our communities regionalization becoming the action county piece that would save that time would get our services out to the community faster additionally there are many models already in existence of communities running this kind of regional service so for example right now schulberg is a piece and dispatches for forty communities this conversation many of our dispatchers in our communities in this consortium have only one dispatcher on a time which means if there is more than one significant incident there they're really overwhelmed on it i mean and no disrespect to them they're doing amazing jobs they're probably just constantly ringing and try to contact with the professionals out on scene as well so there's really no redundancy in the current system there's also very limited for when you ski and for the other scholar describe centers there's very limited kind of career ladder training opportunities you always have to have somebody on twenty four seventh's and do training in professional development is very before it goes before the voters in two thousand and eighteen each communities voters have to approve the district before it can be created although it can be created by a subset of those communities if it passes in some communities it's a minimum of three right because so assuming it passes now we're kind of transitioning into what is actually in this document so there'll be a board of directors on the document outlines that those will be the chief executive officers for between us howdy so specifically the managers we had a long conversation about that the reason we got to this recommendation is that  we want to keep it in that chain of command additionally these dispatchers will be working on a minute to minute hour to hour day to day basis with existing in a school boy he's the link between these these new entity dispatchers and our police and fire professionals would be very tight so to ensure that kind of management control stays consistent the board will be made up by them the ministry of supervisor people in charge of training quality assurance quality control and i can count with the dispatchers and we anticipate that there will be strong connections to the existing police and fire  chiefs again these are professionals that are right now used to working hand in glove and we want to make sure that that cooperation continues and the tax assessments will be made to the member towns i'm great now we're anticipating that and budget oversight and we all work as a separate operations in the new model essentially the first two of those stay the same the managers are still involved chiefs are still involved the legislative bodies still have financial over but six different dispatchers were taken offline and many of three of them at least in solo shops responding and interacting with the sea and had there not been another big parallel incident or an accent on the interstate one of those people would have been invited so if you can if those could we're all sitting in the same room you could say ok that dispatcher is dispatching that event and the rest of the dispatchers on duty are risk bonnie to the emergency calls coming  good example so budget is always a huge question in these conversations and i'm so what we're currently proposing is from a kind of budget structure members and over early november for feedback on the board will adopt a budget by the beginning of december bring that to the legislative boards for approval within thirty days the point of this schedule is that it finalizes the budget prior point in in my opinion as we think about how we services and how we value services and it's different from other how other major regional service provision is provided  so for example if you look at how central vermont public safety authority has been structured that was tacked on at the answer i want people to be taken into consideration when you think about your value around the setting i mean it's tax free that makes in so so that the first the size of how the budget will be created in the seconds this society is about how the cost of the service delivery will be determined so right now the concept is that for the first two years of a municipality joining me as college you will contribute what they're currently paying for does the idea there is you have to start somewhere you have to start out how to function staff it up to understand the true moving county lation so no one community would experience more than a five percent increase that that would be shifted to other communities and finally the idea here is that the community would vote to  district say we're signing on but the need the community then could actually start receiving services intil the council approved the car sharing and migraine of understanding so we could in theory be a member of the district not receive services not pay for services for up to two years and still be voting members and while we work out what the actual costs the community will be having  is community the calls are serious the percent of the total funding out good so we're second smallest next to milton and actual calls for service so it's going to cost us once we're into the authority twenty two two hundred twenty services carrying them in house so it's about thirty eight almost thirty nine dollars so what this means for when you ski is for the first two years we will continue to pay more than the actual cost of the service delivery but after that two years drop it will decrease and the challenge for us operationally for this and why i'm very hesitant to talk about it as a cost savings even though it is we are the big winners in this analysis quite frankly  is that what we will lose as a community going to this approach is twenty four seven coverage in person for the city of loonies so right now the dispatchers are the front  of the police department so if you have an emergency downtown at two in the morning you can walk into the police department and talk to a life human being we won't have that anymore in the city with this regionalization there are there are plans and approaches of how do you deal with that when a call of you know call one call box in your city hall or somebody could walk in and call me directly connected to the dispatch center but it's not the same as a human to human contact additionally there are things that dispatchers do in each of these police departments to administrative police support the police department and we're going to have to backfill some of that so when we think about as we get farther in this process it is likely that in the fierce first two years also talking about six unionized environments going down probably to one unionized environment our hope is that those humans stay the same so you have expert on experts on each community within the dispatch quite frankly nationally you know many many many dispatch centers run dispatching for much larger geographic populations much larger population areas so there certainly is without losing the voice on the phone so it's two different people co working on a call now we don't have the capacity so what's happening now is if it gets to us you're calling and cardiac arrests in here being put on hold over on the phone was on the same many other communities their costs are going to increase increase some as a result of joining where words were going to drop significantly and if the if you were required to go and exactly at your spending rate on day one that would be a hard hurdle for a community to overcome while we initially paying more for the service and right out of the gate whereas and when you see we are going to pay this if we don't go in we're going to keep paying for two thousand so it's not necessarily a loss for us in year one and two we're going to have to pay that regardless and it allows us to step up to get people trained up to understand the real key art as that cost over time is shifted down but you're right in the first two years if this all goes perfectly and all the communities join right away there will be a period of time where we are culture that dispatches for culture stream milton is going to co locate their dispatchers there too so a lot of the start up costs will be taken care of by building out that center for the two of them but they will continue to operate regardless of whatever happens with this process as communities come on and a lot of this will depend on how communities are feeling about this effort how many communities come on when some of that capital will just move you know we have to monitor and dispatch centers downstairs so some of that is simply we will take our technology and move it to this center with some expense of moving and set up and then software that talks with each to be one of the advantages a each community putting in what they're currently paying for services is it can happen here so we could in theory go on town meeting to go in there and the council with the joint survey commission can talk about their ammo you and get comfortable with that and then decide to go in january one will still have the budget to do that and have that time that transition period they if their community joins the peace that will move with them so that our also adds a revenue stream to the authority and that as communities can't come on they will start paying and they will speed start dispatch lot of variants to keep a lot of those capital expenditures down over the years from what i've seen so one other comment about the representation one of the conversations we had a joint survey committee is how to have both the representation and the cost sharing work and we've essentially gone one no one town and calls for service which actually i would argue privileged class and if you think that we're only seven percent of the total calls for service that this group will respond to me at work or an equal voting member with health for all intent for example that means that our voice is going to still be heard very strongly there it's not based on brand l all you know i'm just great great job as you to this is awesome and this has been talked about for a really long time and it's taken this combination of people to push it across the finish line because or it is and i guess if there are concerns about the big picture of cherry operations of the district it would be very helpful to know them now before the document goes to the to the attorney questions about the timeline and right so the way it's currently drafted the community will have two years full participation and joints are making ready i he voting on you know being a founding member of the board of directors know you if you don't sign yellow you within two years then you can remain a member but you lose here posting privileges and the idea is at that point if the service if people are hiring the service is being provided if you're not receiving the services