united states attorney general now it has been our position throughout these proceedings that the rules and regulations that the state of georgia promulgated in relation to the federal real i act required certain evidence through karmas for identity and lawful status were actually not in effect at the time that she made the false claim to citizenship and unfortunately i have claiming that all non citizens were actually not eligible for a driver's license but for those who were lawful permanent residence and part of their motion was is that non citizens they cited to georgia rule three seventy five dash three dash to dash point zero one it says it all non citizens aren't able to provide  permanent resident status which did allow her to apply for a license under forty five to twenty one point i'm a little bit we've got limited time what are you saying is the basis what is your argument as to why when she applied for a driver's licen law said she was a citizen she wasn't what is your argument why that was not a law that had consequences that it cost her to get something she would've had otherwise which is a least if not a license an initially a longer license than she would have told the truth and said all i have is this application to adjust my status she wouldn't have gotten it and as i understand their second argument though is even if that counted even of georgia paul the real id the longest period of a license she would have gotten would have been one year or when the status was decided another either of those she would have that would have ended up one twelfth two thousand and nine she's deny are about one twenty six two thousand and nine her years gone so she would have had a relatively short license not the five year license that she got so tell me why her lie did not give her a license that was four years longer than it should have been there are what i was trying to explain earlier is that i was under the impression that th rely on i went to the west long looked at the regulation the language of the reveal regulation wasn't available but it said it wasn't effective until two thousand and twelve and the short story is i made a grave error in think judge carnes questions are too bad and well what happened when i became aware of this is when i went to the secretary of state to actually get the role that wasn't available publicly i just got it on friday a certified copy and to be honest i don't think she was i mean i think the bar is a political i mean i hate to say that but i can't get around the fact that she couldn't get a license for a five year period so she received a benefit by checking that i am a citizen box that she would not have received well she if she hadn't checked but we did see the benefit longer than she is around and that's that is and you know this regulation for some i and i did since i didn't have a lot of confidence in the h s is a position where opposing counsel provided a cite to the same citation i got a little concerned about it to be honest and i went back to contact the secretary of state and when court's time on that i didn't i just it was our position this whole time that she was in fact that that regulation just wasn't in effect because the state of georgia as long as all the other states had a real hard time implementing the real idea act and so i thought it was my understanding they didn't even like certify that they were they were implementing the the the regulations in the act and in conformance until tw so if i understand what you're telling us you seem to be saying that we should go ahead and deny the pia far under the circumstances you know right now with apologies that it that is in humility so thank you thank you thank you may please the court jeff released appearing on behalf of the attorney general if you have any questions i would gladly answer them but it seems that it's kind of on the way did you fly down from washington i did it was a quick trip i guess concludes the cases we have set for today in court we'll be in recess until nine o'clock tomorrow morning