i good evening and welcome to the floor selected meeting for tuesday december ninth two thousand and fourteen lorraine got the plugs are on the way here so she's just getting in i'll read the agenda for tonight at six thirty we're going to go into executive session to conduct strategy sessions in preparation for negotiations with nonunion personnel or to conduct collective bargaining sessions or contract negotiations with non union personnel the police chief contract fire chief contract executive session minutes approval from october seventh two thousand and fourteen october twenty first two thousand and fourteen at seven o'clock we'll have citizens input and topics not reasonably intercepted by the chair forty eight hours in advance of the meeting seven o five will have the selections update yes yes yes yes yes good evening welcome back to the board of selectmen meeting for tuesday december ninth we're getting a little late start here at seven p we're looking for citizens input are there any citizens would like to come forward  and i am now raising my oldest addict's two children so you could say i'm a mother seven tonight i was informed of the never nother overdose in our town for which i know of in the last ten days give or take i called the police department to ask if they carry something very simple it's hard not can ever vs soviet and it brings somebody who is in an overdose back to life usually instantaneously i was informed that no i please do not carry nor can and that needs to change we have a stadium and we have a lot of people that are overdosing in taunton last year from january to now this past november there was one hundred eighty five reported overdoses and that's in time  four in ten days is a lot of overdoses from where our population and something needs to change hands lives could've been saved if the officers were trained to carry nor can i carry not can because i want to learn to cope meeting and i became trained and because i have two adult children who use heroin and i take it everywhere i go it's a very simple fifteen minute training session and there is really no excuse very so that's what makes them not off and if it's more than what your body can take if you are a active heroin addict like my daughter who weighs under one hundred pounds and you do it you will nod off and you can just watch somebody go slowly into an overdose their slow their breathing becomes very very slow their eyes roll behind their head and it's it's something not pleasant to watch but it can be changing really versed and you can save a life by having our cat so i'm asking for a push i know you're working on it chief by it needs to happen yesterday so thank you thank you chris so chief if you can work with the town manager and roger and perhaps let us know in the near future what plans are in place for discussing the use of not of nor can it's definitely been proven ok thank you i'll just give a very brief selections update the board of selectmen wanted knowledge of the passing of betty more said that he was a longtime bus driver for the town so we'd like to take a moment of silence please the enforcement of our parking lot regulations over the last couple of years the intensity of the events really has a lot me to have staff particularly to the parking lots and i know in the past both mr sparrow as well as deputy chief bagley have been conducting inspections but i thought it would be worthwhile to have the state police were there out on the highway jason to those lots  obtain a copy of the rules and regulations and we have a fact and delegate to him in the inspections over the time period over two games he had his staff go to most of the watts there are some exceptions and do rough car counts and make sure that the lots had the proper equipment that they had the regulations that there was somebody there on site that would be able to help anybody that had a problem especially at the end of the night because they have to maintain some staff member on duty and as a result on the twenty six and november second those inspections were done of the twenty watts are inspected all had the safety equipment as we were choir and were properly signed there were some watts that had overages beyond what they have or the number of licensed parking spots i contacted the operators of each of those lots to inform them that they were over i've had conversations with five of the six that you see in front of you to see if there was any type of rational reason and advised all of them that i would be going out again to those particular  verify that they were staying in compliance with the number of spaces that there are a lot of it in particular i also spoke with the commissioner disparity day at the last came the detroit lions which was not one of those games that we actually had people going out to he had actually gone out with deputy bagley and although they didn't do car counts they made sure that the roadways within the watts were not over parks so that fire equipment and ambulances could easily go through the lots we have for lots that still need to be inspected and i plan at the agency on thursday to have captained more again specifically go to those lives to verify that they are in compliance as well would not really think it would be a constant thing and i'm hopeful that he started my conversations with a lot of operators that it would not be but again i'll have a better handle when i go out this coming weekend that you have a large crowd even though my hear me can you can you us since you made a mention that the various retail operations taking place in the lots but is that outside of compliance well no because many of the lots that write down a fight also have some type of store of business operating on the site as well and it might be a case where the trooper doing the cow would just assume that all the cars so so in other words the permitted packing is over here and then the regular commercials of is there any way to designate that so that we can we have some of those watches have designated that they have clear markings as to where the retail customers can go but on the other hand there are some watch that don't have that separation and that's one of the issues that when i go and do my own inspections we'll right on the license that many of them well that's something that could be done if you wanted to amend our parking commercial parking licenses the last one that i have i believe the last work was done in two now there's no mechanism for funding in the present i don't believe my understanding there is not they'd have to be brought before the board for a violation but is it noted when it when they get their permit to they have their rules and regulations that go along with the permit actually the permit doesn't clude the updated rules and regulations and every attended as to have those rules and regulations with them in the parking lot which was demonstrated to the officers that were doing the inspections but in the rules and regulations does it say that you're subject to a fine if there's overpacking is that anywhere in there was so really there's no way to saying that you could possibly be fine because it doesn't say that you can possibly be fined so there's no weight to it right so then at what point do you do you say well you have to come before the selectmen to be fined if there's no well well i think also it should be noted in the regulations so that you can say to them well did you read the regulations if you overpack and you're subject to a suspension or subject to a fine so maybe we should do an overhaul of the you know regulations well that's what i'm suggesting the board to take a look at the regulations and imagine them so that there could be a penalty clause spelled out clearly to do that ed would you work with the lat owners again you know to just review the entire of that we can certainly do that route both review the current regulations and discuss the issue of so they didn't exceed it by more than ten percent and that's why they're not on this list if that's what was the number one number like twenty nine it's was thirty seven states because over that twenty nine washington street it's it's permitted for two hundred twenty four and there were thirty seven and i had a discussion with them as well about the delineation of the walk because they have quite a bit of retail parking i thought location as well so i contacted that particular individual and went over to his system again so that the cars that were there were outside of it are in you know the back lot is a different walk that wasn't inspected at all it has to be inspected this time around specific to the area in like two zero eight that wa didn't hear what i thought was a reasonable number four percent of the total parking available i did not put them on  any other questions for the chief what we asked this board asked the chief to do by the end of this year because when something goes on year after year there's a lot of speculation and answer questions and rumors so we asked the chief in very plain english i can give trying give a short synopsis and then a conclusion for the record i'm sure that there may be the better what boards willing to allow there might be specific questions f members of your committee and or you know recognizing people that were victimized by sheen they'd like to speak of the other copies and actually i only made ten copies i think this particular case actually started in january one thousand nine hundred ninety eight we were still located in the bottom of town hall ordinarily we had a civilian dispatcher that particular day person come in conducted a brief interview which was then later followed up on a couple of different occasions he created a case file started making up a report of what he had learned during the initial interview he updated myself on the allegations about a former school ploy that had worked in the community and he also contacted the norfolk county district attorney's office in particular their sexual assault unit that at that time was run by investigated by the was for the district attorney's office for review and we received a letter back from the district attorney's office stating that the statute of limitations for that particular crime had expired and willis as was mentioned we had changes in personnel were not mentioned but not in the report when jim left we did not have a detective sergeant in the office at that time colors so they were handling the crimes that were taking place on a regular basis that needed follow up in two thousand and twelve i received a call from superintendent she indicated that a member of her staff had made a disclosure about an incident and in particular it involved a teacher when he was in an elementary school and continued from some period of time as he progressed to a different elementary school and then even to the occurrence school she mentioned the name of that particular teacher and i recall that from the investigation acca done because it was such a significant case that i could recall the name and i knew that jim had done a fairly extensive report on  during this time mr spinelli was trying to also locate the personnel file of the teacher and had three different people looking for it again unfortunately u nbeknownst to us at the station jim prozac had had the folder but it wasn't included within the case folder that he had developed in going on from there i asked this is spinelli to contact the victim to have that person call the detective bureau and i went into the detective office and spoke to detective thomas  i told him what had occurred in terms of the school involvement and i also asked him to take a walk at any reports that would be in the folders for the one nine that impose akhet handle about a sexual assault by a teacher i also contacted the myself these executive assistant district attorney to advise her of what had come forward and to make sure that we had information at the same time after interviewing the new vip officer corps and i have a discussion about the case and i advised him to also contact the district attorney's sexual assault unit so that we could get assistance both from a legal point of view in terms of building a strong case as well as starting the process of getting some assistance from that office in the investigation which is a typical protocol when we have a sexual assault case you lies in the resources because of the complexity of many of these cases there was a meeting that took place between the district attorney's office and members of the state police trooper kathy prince was the trooper that was assigned to the case and tom had also asked if he could have the assistance of officer tim a larry that had been doing dual duty as a detective in the youth crisis officer and as a result of that initial interview with the district attorney's office there was a second ladder and second letter was written in two thousand and one and was address to chief james cozaar at the millers police department there was no indication at all on that letter and any of a letter that indicated anything he'd come to the foxboro police department the nature of that letter indicated that it was then a possibility that cases could be brought in and would be outside the statute of limitation on further review that was the first time in august of two thousand and twelve that i had seen that letter that went to pose act who had been our detective sergeant but was known to be the chief in millis the investigation continued additional victims were interviewed and by the end of august we had what was thought to be a case to approach the district attorney for a warrant during that time period i know that both tom and tim were very reluctant to contact florida we knew that this person had allegedly move for fear that he might hear wind of it of not knowing who investigators in florida might be doing some follow up for us and we didn't want to actually give word to anyone until  had warrants in place and actually on september twelfth i was detective o'leary and trooper friends went down to florida with an arrest warrant for three charges came about from incidents that occurred here in norfolk county and we discovered that one of the sexual assaults actually took place in bristol county once the we found out that the individual was not at his home when they arrived at the community and found out from his son that the dad was actually in a secure facility due to a medical condition the officers went to that facility they observed him being fed by staff members they talked to staff members as well as medical staff and found that because of his medical condition he appeared to be unaware of his surroundings they had a conversation with the district attorney's office that afternoon and the district attorney advised because of what their observations were and he was in a secure facility and would not necessarily be able to escape not serve the warrant until we could gather more information about the true status of his condition at a later time the district attorney did hire a psychiatry list subpoenaed the medical records and have a psychiatrist review the medical records because the matter became more of a public record with the attempt to serve the warrant more victims came forward and we learned additional information about the wide range of incidents that had taken place in three different areas for example he was a boy scout leader he became head of a tr actually started working with young people in foxboro in one nine hundred sixty one upon graduating from college he had worked over at the lakeview pause swimming facility and some of the things that were learned is that we had victims in ten different locations the center school which is the site of the now town hall the louis school the parle school and the with the scouts would be gathered for jam bors and other activities throughout the time period that the medical records are being done we continued to do interviews we followed up on suggestions and the case was continuing items that would indicate somebody collecting momentums which sometimes serial offenders do but there was no visible evidence and all of the son did talk to the officers he didn't indicate any knowledge of what the officers in particular were there for it was at this point that we learned that mr sheehan was actually fired from the school system he was teaching in in florida and that his state teacher's license was suspended due to sexual activity that was reported to the school system by the boy scouts of america there was no mention of mr sheehan in any police agency in the community that he lived and worked and that the only mention was several vias later of several years earlier than the visit when he was found to be wandering around in the community when a missing person report was filed and it was at that point they realized he had a medical condition that would cause him to be first hospitalized and then put in a care facility and then a walk here facility because of that condition one of the people that was interviewed by detectible larry was phil littlefield phil was the assistant principal in the early eighty's at the her and middle school where she and had been a teacher in particular we were asking to see if there was some particular reason that she had been let go by the school system there was an article in the one nine hundred eighty one spring edition written by jack off a lot about how sad it was that this person that it does so much for the community as a teacher a swim instructor and a boy scout leader was leaving  in the article mr sheehan reported being very did dejected by the fact that you know massachusetts school teachers were not well paid and he had decided to move to florida  information was verified by mr a little field who could not recall any disciplinary action being taken against sheehan but that sheehan had started talking about moving to  as i mentioned she had had a long history in our community he graduated from the actual high school in one nine hundred fifty seven he went on to college in missouri drury college which is located in springfield he is reported to have been a competitive swimmer and as part of his community outreach and he was ministry he taught young boys how to swim he graduated from durie with a degree in ministry studies and later that month he was theological seminary and it may have sixty three was hired by the school committee to be a teacher at the elementary level in particular the fifth grade at the summer school when he was first hired she  sheehan was what we call a acquaintance veloster he used his position in the community to contact parents to make the parents feel comfortable with him and then would look for particular individuals within the student body the use after recreation center the use involved in scouting to groom and actually seduce the lack of a better word with attention and affection privileges gi until he could lower the victim's inhibitions often again he had contact with the parents posing as somebody that was going to help their child and be friendly with them in terms of ongoing investigations although the district attorney made a ruling that because of his medical condition he was not competent to stand trial the warrant was left open so that if there was any recovery at all of his capacity he could still be arrested and brought back charges and at this point from time to time we still have victims reporting i was working in the event at the stadium when a young man came up to me that grew up in foxboro and wanted to tell me that he was one of sheen's victims and i had him in both instances the police department conducted a vigorous investigation of the allegations made by the victims concerning the sexual assault of children by william sheen during the investigation of two thousand and twelve twenty three victims were interviewed two additional unrelated issues run covered and another eleven interviews took place with people that may have had information about the suspect during the course of the investigation the detective received detective division received additional support from the norfolk county district attorney's office with the mass state police that were assigned to that office and additionally this is age and see reached out for assistance from the federal bureau of investigation and reviewing the investigation during the course of the case interviewed west victims shared concerns about other potential victims and gave names to staff members the detective team in this officer made a decision that we would not contact them out of respect for their feelings and their privacy there was extensive speculation that she had left the community as a result of disciplinary action or threat of criminal charges although numerous people were interviewed there was no indication that anyone in the police department school administration scott leadership or town government were aware of sheehan's pervasive criminal assaults on children based on this factor it's critically important that we continue to educate children and parents about awareness of sexual predators their behaviors and to educate them to take action by telling someone be it a policeman community leader will school administrator our community has already taken initial steps in protecting one of our most vulnerable groups children and as our community we must rigorously continue that effort conversations which impose on the first one was when the case was opened up and i asked him if he had any additional recollections of that particular case the victim of the interview see it done he recall that the case because of the statute of limitations couldn't go forward but he said he had done a thorough report on it and in reviewing the report he had  the second conversation was part of the discovery of the letter that was sent to his address as the chief and melons and he said i didn't receive any letter like that because i would have been all over to see you and the detectives i had worked with him quite honestly for over twenty years and we were patrolmen together for years on the midnight show he worked for me when i became sergeant he worked for me when i was a chief first as a patrolman then a detective and then a detective sergeant he was a hard working officer and very diligent in his methodology of doing investigations during the entire time of the investigation there were constant rumors and suggestions about his activities and the potential he was forced to resign the investigators try a lot of those particular instances but in no case have we found anyone that either has come forward with information about a particular individual that could be substantiated one has won any has anything happened to verify some of the speculations that have got a lawyer in the community the other major player in this case of course was tom tom had been made a detective in the late seventy's or early eighty's he handled in particular a major school case involving a teacher here in the high school that had investment funds from student accounts he went back into patrol for a i'll throw it open to either members of the board or you know allowing after that if you have anybody that wishes to speak from the community thank you make it completely unfortunately that doesn't happen and it is what it is i think leaves the victims a little bit in purgatory because you know if i if i was a victim i  don't get my day in court but at least you know from the town's perspective i'm feeling that we're doing or can do or have done as much as we can to get people to come forward it does not make him feel any better but we do have a great group of volunteers that we reached out to seven different parts of the community and they're very committed in training coaches herons teachers anyone that wants to come and invest the time so this doesn't happen again we live in a different time where it's very hard for it to happen again because people don't look the other way in the very more comfortable saying stuff now that they did in the past but i think foxboro has come a long way you can always do better but i look forward to this report and i was waiting for a gotcha or something to come out of it but you know the time i've worked with chief o'leary it's been nothing but professional his staff it's courteous and there is a little bit of a fine line when people's names are involved and they just don't want there were a victim and they don't want their names out there because they have children and grandparents and what have you that's a fine line to respect and i think you've done it very well we could have you know brought in to the calvary on this and turned over everybody's houses to get answers but if i had to do it again or didn't to make suggestions i don't know who would have done anything differently so i thank you for the professionalism and i hope this is a good record you know it's nice to foxborough to celebrate when we do something good but when something happened in foxborough that was bad i think it's up to this board where we have the control to say it was bad and this is our record in this is what we stand behind the good bad and the ugly and this happens to be the bad and the ugly you know it's been said before that the town has never apologized to the victims  and you know i've been thinking a lot about that had a teacher no one or a police officer know somebody that was under our employment no one and even though it was thirty years ago didn't say something i think we're in a position apologize on behalf for the time i certainly am sorry that happened and i'm sorry on behalf of fox for all that it happened and i think we can do our best to make sure it never happens again and in my heart goes out to the victim the over the last couple of there lawsuits aside you know let the chips fall where where they may but if there is somebody that some to add to this report please do so because i think it's very important for us to get it right and to get it right for the victims so i'm hoping  i hope the town understands that and i think the survivors that are in the over here and the survivors who are spoken our goal is prevention justice can't be given to us and we have got to come to terms with that we this this man will never pay for his sins so it becomes something else becomes prevention program you know so that your children so that my grandchildren don't have to go through what i went through and what others went through i think that i think that this adds a level of closure and i appreciate the heartfelt thank you apology sympathy and i do i do want to thank the town i want to thank the town for doing this i think that i think it's a step in the right direction for me personally and hopefully for the other survivors of this i think that that's exactly what the chief is trying to do and hopefully that's what will come from this is that the wall be other kids that are now forty eight years old like i am sitting here wondering how we could've made things differently twenty and thirty committee but the people on the committee and the victims that come to the committee are all about making sure it doesn't happen again and getting recognition that it is a problem and it shouldn't be a problem somebody else parents or grandparents or families and i guess to say when when dan speaks i think it is the voice of a lot of people that have come to this and since here you know how do we make it so it doesn't happen again and i appreciate that because it could have gotten a lot of different directions if i was on the other side i don't know what i would have done but i think tell you would have been a lot of anger but you've got to turn that anger into let's do the right thing and you know for the population of  in this committee and we've gone to the state gone to different groups in you know if there's an example of something very very bad turning into something very very good this is it and then and i know the committee is is set up to you to go year after year and i don't i don't see anybody shying away from that so thank you dan for sticking with  you the next item on our agenda is waxy o'connors that's a change of manager girl during that time with her i was i did carry the liquor license for murder island florida restaurant i had that i sent for thirteen years and during that time never had any problems or issues i moved to connecticut with bone to try to bring stability to the last your current operation and we understand this is a good temporary assignment yeah i would say six to twelve months by my plans not to be here for forever i mean like the community and everything satisfied with any of them we're trying to bring anybody that's going to come in it's going to have to have a little bit of a corporate background that's kind of where we actually are kind of is going to as far as being more of a respected restaurant company as opposed manager and it's typically thirty days from when they come in i'll work with them for thirty days until i feel comfortable with the environment and then i'll you know even after i'm gone i'll still be in the restaurant probably once a week every ten days because i'm also going to the other restaurants the rules in massachusetts a complicating to me looking through an even you know they define a glass of six ounces of wine and a mass general are under the regulations place we have thirty seven different additional regulations can you from your experience in connecticut in florida versus massachusetts have you are you familiar with the massachusetts regulations and the local regulations have you yeah taken the time massachusetts regulations are pretty similar to connecticut that definitely different from florida but i'm very familiar with you know responsible vending and you know blood alcohol content and  the last manager application a year ago is a similar thing it's a new management we're going to not be the bar we're going to be better food in better service and in change our ways moving into this new this business that you're not familiar with and managing it have you taken the time to find out what you're replacing or why you're replacing it or what you're getting into so it really means i've actually spent quite a bit of time in the foxboro location and i'm the one  and i do know what the opportunities are in that location absolutely i know who the players are the people that i think you know i know they were actually kind of has a history of having a problem in the past i can tell you it's not the culture of the works you know kind of company we have five pubs in new england not one of them have ever had a little irate violation except foxboro and they fit so i don't think it's a culture of the company i think it's the mismanagement or management per s that was there and those players are no longer with the company that was one of my first moves coming in is to change the culture in that particular building so the culture is an interesting point they were making was it's in an area where there's not a lot of public transportation in transportation public transportation taxis are kind of spotty so at the end of the day you are a bar at late at night when the patrons leave over serving aside not asking for i d s cycles of the past violations but there's been several violations where people just get in the car and drive away how do you address on an area with you don't have public transportation in the past i've even offered to drive people home myself we'll do we can we'll call a cab for the people ourselves and pay for it i have no problem if it's the person's abuser and go and i'll call the police still right there right across the street we don't want anybody getting hurt we don't want to serve anybody excessively  cars to their cars or home with them will convince them that they don't want to drive but i have no problem calling the police as well if somebody won't listen to me going to get their car and i think with the proximity of the police department should be no problem getting on site pretty program is it just starting over ongoing training ongoing training for sure but the staff at that restaurant is actually pretty good there they're good people they just need somebody that's going to lead them in the right direction but i am a no nonsense businessman and i have children too that i don't want driving drunk and i have no problem replacing an employee if they're not go into where we want to go with this we've already lost people because they know that this isn't going to be a saloon and it's going to be a restaurant but i'm usually good at the beginning of a shift we do you know i don't want to sound like the last person talking about their little rallies at the beginning of a shift but i do talk to the people constantly and i think that we're my plan is to increase the manager presence on the floor in that building so that if we're walking around and we see somebody that we don't think is comfortable or comfortable with at any time i'll demand to see identification of that person and if someone can't come up with the idea that employees terminated immediately but to measure presence increased on the floor i think is important and talking to the staff cuts away i always have parchin to meetings once a month as well where we talk about other issues but one other issue is also not serving mine is not serving anybody  ok so would this mean that you would be at the foxboro con is for the six eight months whatever and that's the only place you're going to be well i saw home in connecticut and also moving to pawtucket rhode island so i will be back going back to k c to connecticut my my son is there so yeah that'll be my primary location five days away yeah ok ok that's what five days a week right so you need to get a couple days off and on enough no not my purpose that was about my question was last night about your residence because i noticed it was connecticut and you said last night that you would be going to protect something you'd be a suitable replacement and i know when they bring someone in and when corporate bring some money and to clean up the problems that usually the person they bring in is pretty continue to run a so i wasn't interested so the ownership has agreed and that was part of the deal with me coming on board in coming to foxboro was they need to let me do what i need to do so i totally menu we're focusing a little bit more food and we're going to start doing some more outside activities in the community to try to make sure people understand we are restaurant as well we're not just a pub and i just follow up on that because it  i'm sitting here and it just struck me in a because i did go back and look at the cable access verbatim that's exactly what was said a year ago new food new management new way of doing things so between that story in this story what went wrong what i did was working last time i was nervous or so what would give us the confidence that a year from now we're not going to be saying i start with frank i start with now it's two years i  a it wasn't so identical to the exact same thing that happened a year ago where super hero comes in and fixes everything and now super hero gets fired a new superhero comes in i need some assurances that as it is that i could tell you that they're stepping out of the operation a lot more than before and that was part of the deal was i would come in and help with the operation contingent that they backed back off and let me run the operation i wasn't here a year ago and but i can tell you that from what i know of the players from a year ago they needed to go and you know what players were left remaining when i go came on board i took care of that when i got on board but i'm not those people from a year ago no one often talks about the people talking  all of my understand some of his weaknesses was more on the monetary part of it making sure that you know the food that was delivered was a food that got out of people's plates keeping a consistency with regard to service you know waiters and waitresses and by tenders were not given the same service to all the individuals and that was a little issue back i think one of the things you said i'm hoping may make a difference in a big way is having more presence on the floor especially during the peak fun and you know having that relationship with the tax the local taxi services and you know knowing that the police department is right there i think somehow if there's a way to business take care and i want to make sure that the people are safe and i want to have a safe and healthy environment for the staff and for the guests and that's obviously number one concern public safety we have unfortunately will take that extra effort to bring some new controls into place for six months and have this gentleman come back to us after six months to give us an update of how the operations going in what problems that he's encountered over insurmountable because we did this and then we kind of walked away and rightfully so it's not our license but i think having this happened again and having the issue go away i'd rather recheck it in six months and if he says talk to him when each of the dates came up and we talked i said you know because i want to know if you want me to come in front of you because we never originally did and  and told me that we didn't have to continue to do it but he would write it to my attention if you want to see some reports under the new ten mantras that something we could resume our once things to take a step to get that  i've been i was there i worked there for two weeks to really get to know the staff and get to know the operation and then i moved in there at least once a week if not twice a week right now  indicated to me we don't have to do it anymore so i think possibly for the meeting next week you can be part of that discussion put into there and move voluntarily do it you know one thing i  i mean it's good for both parties and i would not stop that process until the board said to me the truth of yourselves because i don't think that's appropriate for me to say that that's just my approach so well i've got the concern of messing up the a b c system and i've got the concern of the three violations that i've experienced since i've been here plus the fourth of the a b c c b s experience of i balance the two i would rather have the a b c see get upset about it or have the extra paperwork in six months that's not as concerning to me as letting this go informally for another six months or a year  ownership they're not here they're out of state and they only show up when there's an issue and this is gives me a little more teeth that they will show up and six months or somebody will come back because they have to and we're not chasing them am thinking that having these quarterly reports where we will have ongoing interaction with lax he's very closely to me we should be able to see from those reports you know if they are to our satisfaction i'm just not sure what it accomplishes by putting a condition or making it only for six months this is the job that he's here to do and it's either going to work or it's not and i think i don't see what happening at a time frame on it changes that because the stings will continue you know but and we'll have the feedback so if it's not working we have the option to have a hearing as to why it's not working correct you might think i think what you're trying to do is you're trying to editorialize on the on the ownership of waxes when in fact it's shifted to  this fellow who we really know and i hundred percent agree other than i sat here a year ago and we put the conditions now it would come back you know quarterly and we didn't get it and if it's given pegasus father it's the owner's fault or it's the attorney nobody knows right now but we went down that route and it did not work i don't want to go down that route with the hindsight that it didn't work the last time we're going to do the exact same thing with that but i think bill is saying that he's not going to let that that says it waxes has to do a b c and be signed by the owner signed by the selectmen and then it went in the trash why it went in the trash i don't know but i'm not going to do that i don't want to i would rather deny this application tonight in deal with the ramifications i think i think that argument belongs next week when we deal with the penalty phase of the sting i don't want to hang my head on something that may or may not happen we have a manager and an application in front of us that is identical to what was promised last time with the with the manager that things were going to change and they didn't do you think needs the management areas is this the best hope right here  if it was this guy and i was assured of it i say yeah i'm not convinced it's the manager honestly i don't know because i you know the manager is only as good as the authority that he's given and i'm not convinced that i don't know why the other manager was fired i don't know what happened you know it could have been the ownership that got rid of him because the profit wasn't there who knows this is the only thing that i can think of that's in my control right now to say we like you we we think you'll do a good job but said this is the fix it won't happen again we guarantee it and frank was up there with it so you know i i was i'm flabbergasted that we had to do it again after the sincerity that everybody frank included in members of the board included that this would never happen again and it did and i don't know whose fault it was when all we have right now is a fax of finding that we had last week and we have to go through that process so we're  for things to change in three months i don't think it's a good litmus test i think six months the bugs will get worked out and if there are issues you know maybe they'll show up how would you recognize positive change that there's no more violations that there's no more violations and there's no one violations period you know and i don't lift off i go in there i've seen you know other people in there if things are going bad it's not going to be hidden very long it's a small town you know i also reviewed the tape from the two thousand and thirteen meeting and it was pretty similar to last night it was almost it was almost verbatim it was almost like groundhog day i mean it was it was the same as last night the same things were said and i understand jim's concern in two thousand and thirteen promises were made you know it was going to be done the settlement was going to be done all that and here we are same things we said last night is in two thousand and thirteen and and so i can understand i can understand jim's concern and i hope you understand this bodes concern you know how many times do we have to hear the same tape over over and over again you could pretty you've got a tough job if we prove you is the manager you have a very tough job because a concern also we welcome two axes in as you know as someplace to go the neighborhood pub this would be great and it wasn't so great for a very long time so now hopefully it'll you know we're trying to things are going to get better if there's no violations if there are so you'll know by your definition because they'll be no violations correct so they'll be an easy thing to gauge if we have another violation i probably won't be with them in front of you because of the heart of the issues so by your own definition if things are going better you're going to know things are going where she going no  but if three months from now there's an issue we're going to take note of you know you'll be in front of us six months from now and we can say what happened three months ago and it might not be an issue but how did that happen and we have that dialogue rather than hear it's not going to happen again i won't be here if it's going to happen again you know you everyone's given their word and people fell short and the owner is blaming the bartender and i heard that story last night individual that come from this board to be honest with you you know every i've been involved in this for it was the employee fired that's the first question you hear from the town of course that's going to happen ownership absolutely takes responsibility for they realize that i think this individual from beside me is indication of that because so i was looking for a new manager and went through the process twice and side you know they didn't find someone they felt was going to be good enough to bring in and they brought it here from connecticut has to really troubleshoot it to get it and some of the issues that talks about isn't all just look related when he's talking about here it's also financial it's also how it's run as a rushed on for profit purposes we all know it's in there for a profit but the service of alcohol is one of the issues and because of the violation that occurred i will say that from what it was before i got involved and what's gone on since it has improved the overall age has gone up because wave way back in the day it was a very very young crowd so it has improved but i think you know they did recognize that it hasn't improved enough and we'll all admit that you know we can go in circles frank the the food the profit all that stuff i went in there and nobody asked for the id period so it's going to take a lot to change my mind because this is exactly what was said a year ago new food new manager new everything and it didn't work so that's all i'm saying is i'll meet you halfway will say i'll approve it might my motions going to be to approve it for six months come back and then if everything's fine and we move forward if there's extra paperwork or issues you know agitation from the a b c so be it but again i said i really don't care about the a b c right now and the extra maybe it's because of in so many violations of my mind i get confused and that's not a good place to be in either right now i don't have that issue with the other establishments so that my point is this confusion for a reason i guess i lose track is there's where does need a manager because right now you do not have a manager of record so that what we need to do is is get a manager and if i don't know how if i  don't know how we can stipulate i you worried about it going to the a b c with six months because that's like a red flag to the a b c saying that that maybe the town doesn't have confidence enough in you this selection of the manager of  record i'm concerned that they're going to say you were proven we don't approve you don't approve someone for six months but if jim wants to you know file it that way for gets you know sent back saying you have to either approve or disapprove  it as as the manager to get a manager and then the time of foxborough will ask you to come back sure before that would that be enough for you it would have been other than we've tried to before and it didn't work sorry we had a signature a contract an agreement and it went through the court we paid our attorneys to to negotiate it and it didn't work because they never came back i don't know if it's if in and sit in front of the board and discuss it none of that happened so all i'm saying is call me once you know i believe the selman said we were supposed to come back once in when then after that we were supposed to file quarterly ensure that we've yes we've got a new manager because it's needed he's very qualified but put it on a tight leash and maybe that six months makes everyone do an extra stellar job and then come back if the a b c doesn't like it we'll find out soon enough and you know  on our agenda when they let us know that it's not sufficient but i think we should make the appointment have the reports come back the violation is going to is what is going to bring them back in front of us that's that's going to be the indication that it's not working so i think we just need to move forward you know i understand the concern jim that you have about the violation aspect of it but that's different in my mind from we're talking about a change in the manager to with the effort to improve the overall operation to the benefit of the business and the town i think we need to make that appointment and as part of our discussion at the next meeting where we're talking about the penalty phase of the violation include in that quarterly reports to us face to face up before but what what exactly would be in the quarterly reports just we serve you know two thousand mails we have you know are we had no police calls we had but what education to the staff is most important thing making sure that they're having meetings with the staff i could document the meetings and bring those the documentation in the meeting notes with me that's what's going to do it it's you need to have a management presence meeting with the staff a list of who the people are out there meaning what the dates are when they are what you discussed we more than happy to bring that to you i think that's the way to fix this to fix just as much as you do and you know what that's what we had nine violations that's what every one of them said to us i was there a year before me and now i'm telling you that i'll come down here once a month if you like yeah and i'm telling you you're it you're in a tough situation we're all in the touch that you have been in this tough situation before and i'm just i i don't disagree with what you're saying joe i have no problem coming up at four what would be in the notes or what have you just reports i think that documentation that you're actually educating the staff and meeting with the staff regularly is what we're doing we're looking for evidence of the culture is changing in a positive way i agree to update us and if there's no violations then that turned into a formal full approval second you're going to vote against this i actually don't think that the that this appointment needs to be conditioned i'm also going to vote against it because i'd like three i don't think it should be condition like that i think of the separate issue with the penalty phase we're going to d next week that's when the should be addressed to put a condition on this manager i mean six months you know he may have found a replacement within that time well longer i don't think it's i don't think that's the the tool that's necessary for positive change i think that'll come next week cited as a board of selectmen in hand right on it approval for six months and put a specific date on it there's a specific form forty three i believe a couple form the center and by the selectmen memory serves me and such and i think on that form there would be an area where you just put an attachment indicating the conditions of course i'm talking guns myself here but there is that  town of ok and that but but then would it just be like ok come before you present isn't gender item and then we decide ok that won't fly but we'll what we'll do away with that a new manager but i don't think this is a manager issue i think this is an ownership issue and that's why m b o in this is it's not a management fog that we're going to have here it's going to be an alteration of the not getting the support making we cause that's next week that's when we get into the real issues so we can hold this off to next week but i don't want to make this contingent on something that may or may not happen on a separate totally separate issue and i consider this to be a total separate issues ok so i'm not against this manager i am against the addition on his appointment to be for the record you know as i mentioned in the discussion i am in favor of the appointment of alfred as the new about the process that we're going to go through in order to come up to the finalists who will then bring in for interview so well bill gave a template sometimes you have to hunt and peck for the information that you're looking for and try to put those specially so they could easily compare certain categories and it was interesting because one proposal came in they didn't even they just said the price is going to be competitive but there is no price in it so it's good to actually go through them and make sure that everything that was asked of them has indeed been supplied so i've done that i don't i don't know for those of don that i spent a lot of time this past weekend almost falling asleep reading these  but it thing is i have narrowed my choices down to three i don't know if anyone has the time to go through and do the same i'm assuming that's what i want to go is now down to three and that's your choice you can you get an interview for you going into you tube i've been doing a similar thing i set up a grid just to lay it out because it you know the information is talk to different places throughout these reports so i just wanted to lay out things like what is included in if they mention a retainer option what's included in that what's not included what their hourly rate is what they charge for travel copy who their town council for and i have separate notes in terms of the type of litigation that they have been involved with it's just you know for experience so that's how i looking at it so far i've got two top ones but i haven't completed my review  yet john had spoken but mentioned it the other night but the tool that he was using and i was wondering could that be made available to the rest of us because you have more experience and volunteers and you'd be reaching out to department heads there are different people in the community we're looking to review all these aid and come back to us with a recommendation after checking references and all that stuff from your perspective well i think what i there's this matrix that we're going to combine from the one that you did in the ones that we have this three and the number that you guys are comfortable with we'll do whatever the matrix comes out with it will pick the top three i think each one each of us should rank yeah so i think our first meeting is the sixth of january so it would be the twentieth would be when we would discuss we come forward with our choices and then is something that if we can i don't know what the answer to this is but i last time that we went through a similar process to this for a town manager we're live on local cable so whoever's having the first interview has it the disadvantage because who is having the second and third could be in the car watching it on the phone which i think is an incredible disadvantage to the people up front maybe during that one interview these can be executive session but we have a one hour delay on cable access somehow so people don't get the advantage over another candidate and hear the questions because the questions that will be asked probably be redundant from candidate to candidate so i don't expect an answer tonight but if we can think about room so that the curator waited and waited in a separate classroom itself monitor that is that what happened i thought there was hours between the first and the last and i think the town who for one reason or another or another had used one of the firms is like a special counsel something like that and i got their opinion of how they like the work so i'm wondering could you send a memo to the boards commissions anybody in town to ask them you know given the names of the of the the eight people the eight firms and asked them if they could like well i just like know because it's very helpful to find out because what is said before us in an interview what is what is sent on paper could be the experience of a board could be totally different but you know we can go through the interview process in the references and then you can do your own diligence you can do though you're right but i mean like if they if they you know with if the other boards send you information just that we don't know who else got the phone calls but i got a phone call i want to one phone call going to phone but i get a lot of phone calls and yeah so i mean a lot of phone calls on the start of a different topic you know so i mean i just i just because because i know a lot of a lot of the other entities in town have used gone out and use special counsel for for a variety of reasons so i just understand it's correctly that you want to take the list of all eight difference being required federal withholdings total of twenty one seniors will be receiving average of three seven hundred eighty seven dollars in credit on the tax bills this is higher than the seven hundred fifty dollars maximum credit applied in the previous years this patient the program is off by forty percent a share we like seems to know that the program is still available to them it is not and it is working working for those participating in the program at the annual tomming the shareholders agreed to raise the maximum credit from seven fifty to two thousand dollars this now allows the required for withholding system to not reduce the amount seen as had been used to receiving and actually result in a slight increase to the credit that we want to just thank lisa sinkers so the treasurer collectively hilo director budget process everybody right now is in the budget process of developing their fiscal two thousand sixteen spending plans and we had a pretty pretty good just rather than table discussion with all of the various facilities  affected by several meters program and other various key players in that process so that is going to be a reality it is part of the process in terms of the budget process and i just thought it was another step in the right direction towards achieving so we expect this will be a phased program we'll be looking at general maintenance improvements over the course of the first year looking at custodial staffing issues a little bit over the next year and certainly capital improvements will be mixed into that as well will do close  parsing out putting pieces of the personnel based on areas of interest we have a list of recommended changes that another committee is done last year looking at those so we talked about sort of dividing and conquering different pieces of the force now whether they be program conference and anyway the the grant is substantial i move that the bush selectman vote to accept a formula allocation grant for twenty five thousand eight hundred twenty four dollars from the creation it's a donation for the family passes for the skate winter skate at patriot place a move that the boys like men approve the acceptance of seventeen family passes from winter skate at patriot place and think patriot place for the donation second in favor write the next is also for the recreation department it's donation for future scholarship a move that the board selectmen vote to accept a donation of ninety five dollars to be used for a future recreation scholarship from the it's from the friends of fox for recreation and all those in favor  is from sharon watson saying planning boys she is requesting the approval to pay aggregate industries ten thousand three hundred fifty one dollars and three cents for paving cotton lame and one thousand five hundred forty seven dollars and fifty cents  eight to twelve thirty in the morning it's her stand up comedy show i move that the bus like been approved the one day wine and be a license for the off in theater for wednesday december thirty first two thousand and fourteen ok the next is first single is for money question a one day all alcoholic liquor license for its patriots tailgate party for the two thousand and fourteen patriots layoffs at fifty nine washington street  boston approved the three one day all alcohol licenses on either because the dates are to be announced on either january third of january fourth two thousand and fifteen january tenth or january eleventh for historical commission a move that the boys like when approve the acceptance of ten dollars in donations to the foxboro historical commission to be used for the restoration of the civil war soldier statue and thank those who have donate those in favor of this also is the facts pro historical commission i move that the bus like when approved the acceptance of one thousand one hundred ninety two dollars by the historical commission to be used for the restoration of the seven members that were in that child sexual abuse awareness committee mark sullivan is not a member in the bottom and i think i thanked him but his name should stay on there but bob  so how do you want to recognize me i think i just as i thanked him for his work setting up the committee i move that the bus left when approved the meeting minutes of october twenty eighth two thousand and fourteen as written are as amended of the next is a request from dimitri's red snapper d n a and corporation requesting permission to open early on football game days in two thousand there asking for a holiday openings on easter mother's day and father's day so i move that the bush like when approved requests for early sunday openings for dimitri's red snapper the patriots one p m home games in easter a and this next one this next item i just wanted to mention we have a request for new year's eve extended hours just one hour to remind all the businesses out there if they are going to request extended hours on new year's eve our last meeting before the thirty first is next tuesday so please make sure your requests come in for action that's thanks to you ok this is f dimitri's red snapper also dean and corp i moved the board of selectmen approved the request by dimitri's red snapper for extended i was of operation on new year's eve december thirty first two thousand and fourteen florida two am closing what i just saw at the board know that we did approve this type of extended hours last year but with no alcohol service past twelve thirty the usual time with ok do i have to read the categories yes ok i move that the bullet selectmen approved the following licenses far effective january first two thousand and fifteen and expiring three common victor was licenses for wine in malt license restaurants three in holders licenses for all alcohol twenty three restaurants seven day all alcohol licenses three restaurant seven day wine in malt licenses to club licenses all alcohol one service club license all alcohol for package stores all alcohol licenses five package store wine in malt licenses thirty six seven day entertainment licenses eighteen sunday entertainment license from the commonwealth of massachusetts eight automatic a device licensed establishment one exhibition show or amusement license movie theater for class one auto licenses eleven class two auto licenses one class three our license and seven taxicab licenses these are the these are the establishment at the paperwork has been received and been processed by devon but there are a few more that this is what we have now also come up in discussion all those in favor and so these are all ready for us to sign two feet the first two thousand and fourteen and allows fox pro sports center to sell food everyplace is the formal licensee who no longer runs the food concessions and foxboro sports center has applied for a license for two thousand and fifteen so i move that the board of selectmen approved the common victrolas license application for foxboro sports center to expire on december thirty first two thousand and fourteen second all power outages we talked about the union looping tree clarion from ground to sky and i'd like to have them back in here a representative of national grid just to give us an update on the union loop and then basically the tree