or could meet with us for a period then basically we realize that's a cost and we have to ask for that why is this i think that there's a lot of feeling in the planning commission at the present time that an error has been made and there is an injustice to some property owners right off there is no blame to this error i mean we're not you know of this was an error and we don't know what to do about it a reasons that perhaps the council is not aware of for getting back to this and that is the fact that you know how was the original zoning drawn up how did the mistake  what is the evidence that the mistake was ever incorporate those to the original one or anybody ever knowing the difference and we're not challenging we're asking because at the present time we have these in those conversations that were talking to each other and were talking to each other while the accounts and i we do have a lawyer on the planning commission but he is not acting as a lawyer to the planning commission and he should that's not nothing his job so we do have some insights into legal issues we know that no matter what happens here there's going to be a challenge there's going to be a challenge if we do nothing because the people are doing the justice to we're going to there's going to be a challenge if we do something for the people that raised the same question at the original meeting and so what we're trying to get as much information as we can to stop them forward we don't want to be firing off letters we don't want to you know i mean basically we went out and at that that the current topham as i say we exchange ignorance in a certain amount because we're not going to we're not legal in this we don't know exactly how the opinions are there are people on the planning commission who have been here who were here at the time of the original and when the change was made and when the older regs came in guy or you go back to where you first started when you first talked sort of talking about this year you know and of course i came and i kind of explained all those things that you just said and i articulated that to chad believe me multiple conversations trying to pitch you know hey this is the way this happened and you know came see it another way and kept going back and forth back and forth so finally he wrote his opinion and that's where he we spoke with one of the members of the planning commission that's how it's affected by the problem so we agreed to do a second opinion so i saw you were on the agenda so i call i think that the that the feeling is is not that there's a blame we're not that anything is that we need him perhaps the other day but this year he's been perhaps the most vocal in feeling ever there with the moral pressure do something about this in the prostration of not being able to and so this is really just a request that we could you know it to someone who could maybe say look guys you know we know where you are but right just given what i do for a living or my profession i think i probably have about as good a handle on it as anybody on the planning commission and i know we've all been there a long time and are involved in the early stuff but  or are you asking that you be more involved and i think the latter but i will say this without any implication that we don't totally trust bread or that we don't have confidence in brad i think that's not really the issue it's it's it's the fact that there is a strong feeling on the committee that we've got to do something now and there's other people on the committee saying well we would let's not make it worse the one job we're faced with i guess at the present time is almost confounding because we have to go back into the regs we have to re approach re district thing that that's necessary on the other hand there this other issue that is a mistake that is not redistricting now and there is a feeling that the farther we go into including the two together the more work i'm following the issue i have and that's going to make the challenge worse when it comes and we know what's going to come from one side or the other you know that's a good point so you know it would be good for us to be able to hear what the poll says it's a legal opinion just things that you know the board would like to get off their chest to about how they feel i totally understand you feel like oh maybe something's missing i really want articulate my point and i appreciate that maybe we could have a conference call with him you know or something like that i don't you know for him to don't want to meld the two issues together because this is a totally separate issue but there's also implications from the way the old map was drawn you know we're going to have we're going to have like you know say you know we saw a map you know it's two thousand feet from the center of this road is this zone where you're going to have some cases where someone's property is going to be bisected by that maybe just a little portion you know is there a percentage there of our educational plans as we get into this is to essentially ask people if they don't win zone they're in and what the current regulations are right because at the present time it seems as though there was a perception that we're out there you know on it and see and listening and all that and then you're all in on it together is that something that we're i think it would be if we want to have a little bit of time that we they're both one of our meetings to make sure we have our ducks in a row so we're not throwing up with this very compl because it was the map was attached to the unified lanyards regs and that map was clearly in those regulations and it was clearly displayed and because you know that map and i  ninety five going through every single time there was a change in design and i looked and i saw your minutes from when you had hearings and there's no mention about rezoning or changing zone lines one of the bullet points that i think you know counsel because the present time we're presenting these arguments to each other all right you have a certain hope when's your next meeting to get your guts in a row will naturally our next meeting is the fourth but we are interviewing three people there and i think that maybe a week and then discuss it a bit on the wednesday and then one of us will get back to you sounds good the most probable thing would be than two weeks later i remember some worrying about when  vermont state police and colchester and they are paid individually by their agencies so they're in kind donation and basically they are giving that agency is giving us an officer that's worth close to seventy thousand six hundred twenty six dollars and it's going to go up i'm working on the budget right now for fifteen and it's going to go off probably about three thousand dollars but this is pretty much a bare bones budget operating budget  investigator right on staff with us we've got a victim advocate we have the detectives we have a designated prosecutor from the state's attorney's office we have myself we have a therapist and we meet monthly to discuss cases with this team and we have nurses and doctors that work with our team as well to review cases and they they go out when we just had some big child cases if he weeks ago recently we were in the past historically were always our budget was based on caseload a three year average caseload and that was there was a disparity with that because most of the cases were happening in burlington but you know he could have been resident of jericho under him or any other town but a lot of the kids go to uva and more anybody they could be in burlington and these assault could happen there so we decided to go to a population based want to and that's what we've been basing our funding mechanism on for the last couple of years so we were coming to you postings where you know we're currently in discussions to figure out how we can do long term funding you know because it's a very important station i mean really all our residents of china county benefit from it you know it's you know some of these all the income donation of the police officer in the car is also within your budget i mean i think in canada yeah so that's close to that's all that's close to nine hundred thousand dollars just the time that detectives and then the bare bones at any given time you could see one of those twenty three year would be under for an investigation will tell you that there are two detectives currently that work out of my offices that are spayed cousy ones currently still there actually three aware of what we do know and a lot of our money a great deal of our money is put in to the training for the officers and like jim was saying you know they come and they come to us and they leave with just great knowledge that they wouldn't received so finding availability right now i don't think it's just i think that's one thing i ran into the other thing that was a turn off for this size of the it's a hard project because as you know we're looking for bids on something that has no end to it a know no people i think are afraid of what are we going to get into here you know so it's very hard thing to put a number on it we also put ourselves out there who do print number on it and you get a pretty good sized number on it to cover yourself so i  and third thing i heard about was asking for a bond on a project this size was for a lot of these smaller guys that were looking at you know that's not really what what they're used to dealing with i think that's probably true so you know you to go kind of in tears with somebody understand we can't do that but this job kind of begs for that at the same time so it's a weird position to be and it's it's it's not like a page will then we put it out there in you know well that's a pretty defined yeah project yeah  plans yeah limits of what price to be done or default and yeah there is with this law as you say you get started with what we think is going to be repaired and it turns into rot here some problem there all the sudden it's bigger than we thought y id that was going to be something we were going to tackle next year so what we put out to bid was the repairs on the siding appears on the corner board stuff like that plus replacement of some of the windows that were identified as being r but not the big ones yet so i thought what of what you were suggesting is that we separate out the smaller windows from this overall package that we've put together and try to get prices on that i mean because the window price from parkland stearns from the supplemental windows was forty three thirty five or something and then you know even if you doubled that for labor which i don't think it would but that would only be six so that's well under the fifteen thousand so that would give you the option with the time purchasing policy that you have of soliciting prices from contractors without actually bidding it advertised situation so if you wanted to do that and if you wanted to go about it in so you want me to rework the package and bring it back to you in two weeks to look at or do you want to assign one of you to be like the software the select board i work with that person can do it because it was on monday of this week that the site in our front was last friday and we could go tomorrow we met at the site and went over the whole job so we're both on the same page as far as what the expectations a what the requirements are he wants to know if you would like to save a thousand dollars by them in aiding the necessity for his performance beyond the other words his performance ponders built into his good price and he can reduce that by thousand dollars if you want to wave the ball and he doesn't care which way it is he's just saying it's a thousand dollars you could say if you want to i'm not comfortable with that story about  work beyond the normal state of october first that's when her application that we submitted to chris we're now for stream alterations to the state of vermont we had put in an ending date of the thirty first of october and that was  hand he doesn't want to expose himself to another potential flooding situation you know so short a period of time temporary delays in the better in one sense so i have a feeling now that he didn't get in there this week he'll probably wait until a couple of week to put to build those footings and then the box and go on the footings and run day but then he has to build concrete head walls at the end but you know and that means more excavating and more forming so that's where the terminology is but then the next question is do you want to have retired reinsurance in the sense that the same kind of things after fine five years three years whatever we're going to pay x amount whatever your hesitation i don't think it's a good policy for our town to get into the business of insuring retired people i understand that totally believe thing that jumps in my head is there are people who have been working here with that yet the expectation given would pay one hundred percent of the premium we still had a savings we were still saving money by doing that and so i wrote this that the town would pay one hundred percent of the cost of the blue cross blue shield a month plan plan offered by the over they meet choose between the exchange plan or the offerings of medicare and medicare supplemental but not to have seen that one hundred percent premium for the blue cross blue shield and these are the current  projections for twenty fourteen what the premiums are so that's what we would be paying right now looking for just about eight hundred for a single almost fifteen hundred for a couple we don't have a so it's good you know i can get those numbers put together again if you want do you feel as an employee now that you're not paying that under shoebox what you have are insurance  that you know for instance if you're a couple let's say i got three thousand dollars then my spouse wouldn't have to pay that you have to go well this is not that way each person has to pay so and you have a co pays don't count for the out of pocket  pays or higher purpose creations and for but what these plans are just no more than what the federal government and state government and it's more that you must offer these are the benefits you must offer and less for the spouse if you're a family they pay less for your food so i think it's i think it's less than what we currently have but i think we have really really rich so that's my yeah the in lieu of i just you know because because our policy says we pay thirty five percent of the premium that's what i currently currently give to employees here the insurance surance that top line current and if we get thirty five percent of the new premiums because they're lower the people people whole and you don't want anybody to have any change the first year of the exchange we would change that to forty five percent which would bring them about to forty five percent of the premium would bring them about to what they're currently getting at three percent and then really maybe fifty pushing so low in your original bill but ok joy i totally hear you're saying about thirty five but getting back to what we're saying before is at the same time we don't i mean we've got to look at to see if we want to profit on the backs of the employees with this change in the health care system and just like we're talking about if the h if we agree that the h s a being contributed to make sense to make the employee more whole the forty five percent thing here would be going down that same road and i hear you're saying that thirty five of the forty five and what the future costs percent in red thirty five we'd be having it seem discussion like god we can't afford this in a trader way we could have it discussion the one thing you know the way the healthcare industry is going is there some more control that's the point of this change in health care system on these big companies raising rates as quickly as they were that's why there's the board saying you can only go five percent so so there is more control actually now for hopefully in the next year to come and we've seen before so you're comfortable with someone who was getting one thousand dollars now getting seven thousand yeah i know i know this is a hard thing  know planning and zoning talk to brian and we've decided that he spends about twenty five percent of his time and zoning so i'm going to allocate some of his salary to examining just of that kind of look flood and a loan payment for that truck it never had before that would make it apples to apples more so last year in the first two months we spent three hundred one thousand this year three pounds so pretty so so we can and the next tax collection time you know i'm just putting twenty thousand in there because it's just really looking to the counter very much and the anticipated expenditures the general government that's just the office the town kind of an yeah i have no problem talking with them i don't want to discourage him from is that in the application process for a private room the cost of the sign will be incurred by the developer of the i get the second that motion some time and try to measure up and see you probably get a feeling how many litter we never keep track of how many loads go how during the yeah you do we should be able to tell them that we've ridden our time so we could yeah we could get a and so what i'm trying to do now is we're going to set a goal for the next meeting that will have all the measurements where the numbers of this would come to an exact number at that meeting that would be nice to be able to do we put the bid out at that time  give you the summer here of the board those who want to move forward i made a call to the attorney to get the question about what additional coverage this terrorists thought they needed they don't need anything additional so we could we could go forward pretty quick i'm not here for the range to have sheriff's department and a contractor there to take down the i'm awful structures however when i leave the next week so i i decline to stir that part of my way out the door i do promise to get on that early on my return september ninth or tenth well i have an interesting visit with