so working ok so there are first of all let me just explain that historic districts there's three county historic districts the back page that shows where historic districts one and two are one is shown in green and two is shown polls the general purpose of this amendment is to while for three things it's still allow the cultural resources commission to adopt rules relating to architectural and sign  design it's also to allow the c r c to amend these rules in the future without having to go through another code amendment and then the third thing it would allow for is to have the c r c here variances for signs currently c r c is not allowed here variances for science and this would be this would allow for them to do that me make rules to clarify and implement this section of the code just kind of clearing up some language that was her old school and making it more current and then just allowing us to implement the recently document that we just variances for science to be heard by the c r c and that is all of the changes that we are proposing to ninety five to write to the commission for question thank you for that any questions from the commission will mean i stopped the culture resources commission and i am changing i did my degree in architecture applied to start preservation so i'm able to make the recommendation to the commission based on my experience my concern is that the rest of the commission doesn't have any training an architect if you as a separate disappearance somebody else comes in that has an architect guys like i'm not arguing about against the amendments that a comments may not be appropriate under the circumstances if it's already a done deal and for me though you board is pretty much a recommending body to the approval i think what this does is more or less just allows for c r c to adopt the rules their rules and formally adopt the design guidelines that for the most part will be administered in ministr architect and a historian so we do have professional qualifications that would be the commission is able to make recommendations that are sound because of their professional qualifications and then also the guidelines are there to help them form the recommendations and then to make decisions  basically going to echo that the first thing is that the regular commercial sign ordinance is specifically events that historic district so that's why we're into the c r c there because of the design of the code and also the code section on the cultural resource commission states that the majority of the commission members shall be professionals or persons with demonstrated experience in the disciplines of archaeology planning architecture architectural history or one culture or history  section that has them here sign variances and other review for commercial signs in general that that section exempts signs in the historic district specifically and that was by  some background i think that's helpful earlier ok so this is for six bedrooms short term rental home in two different dwellings we're reviewing both the short term rental home permit and the state land use special use permit t neighbor protests and the state land use special use permits because the properties located in the state agricultural district i know you folks don't see too many of the short term on a home permits themselves you usually see the permit that comes with that i think when i did the training that we had five in twenty thirteen and i don't think we had any last year so this is kind of a rare thing for you today that was done trigger due to the protest provision specifically thirty percent and that's when there's more than forty lots we have thirty percent so we had a total of nine protest letters submitted however money a poco many of the lots are subject to a condominium properties regime which separates the property for ownership interests the department still considers that one lot however it's not an official subdivision so when we took a look at the nine protest letters they do represent six of the lots there were seventeen total not including the c p r separate ownerships so that gave us a thirty percent of sick so they hit exactly the six also in your packet is three letters of support from the immediate neighbors and all of these letters are included and i wanted you to see the testimony map is in your report it's exhibit four the orange are the protests letters the yellow subject property and in the pink are the support letters that came from the immediate neighbors so what are we looking at today we're looking at a total of six bedrooms in two separate dwellings you can see the yellow there's  pools on each sections of the property you've got an outdoor cabana and then all the green is the agriculture that's on there so i'm going to deal with permits criteria look at separately ok so first i'm going to show you the four is owned by the wilsons and then next i'll show you pictures of the second farm drawing the two bedroom so the pain for a better house kind of exemplifie and then we can go inside the house and take a l and then we have the two bedroom farm dwelling and i just wanted to show you some pictures of the neighborhood just so you get a sense of where they where this is located this is the main access road to street the first driveway that takes into the property that's awfully over on the wilsons property that's the house directly behind i know the consultant did an open house for a neighbor and there's been some complaints about that particular house that's right there i believe that house has changed ownership and that shows you the west side you can see some of the located and then the agriculture because we're dealing with the state ag district i wanted to show you there's actually quite a bit of agriculture if you have the photos but just so you can see the main agricultural is the plumeria trees there's almost ninety  they are picked regularly and then they have been expanding as well and you can see one of the late pickers there they planted some smaller ones it's kind of dark but they've been expanding the production as you can see one of the letters from the neighbors say they come every monday and pick and when they get the site is that there weren't any flowers they've probably been recently here some of the newer it was planted but i know there's been some discussions with you folks on the order that we're going to do this i'm going to give you the department analysis now and we're going to have the applicants speak and then we turn it back over to you and then i come and give my recommendations for you to so in terms of is everything that's in the report the state land use permit you're very familiar with that the rules are spelled out in administrative rules at the state gives us the set the rules and then just to go through them very quickly that you shall not be contrary to the objective sought by while you are by statute those are state law the department's response is there is an implemented and verified foreign plan in place the rental use is not anticipate negatively affect fixing agriculture on the property the desired useful not adversely affect surrounding property there were nine letters a protest some of those did cite past noise on the property some just cited noise but in the neighborhood other rentals one letter did talk about noise traveling down the gulch again there were three letters of support from the immediate neighbors are short term rental home rules to prohibit parties i know there have been some in the past i'm not sure if that was the homeowners or friends that were there out or speakers have been disabled the applicants were made aware of the trouble with that so they are not on anymore again this is a project where we're not looking at adding any extra density so there's no need for wider roads or more sewer water sewer and water is all private also up there the drainage has already been done in the dr when they were building the home and police and fire don't see any problems with this individual homeowners can market directly to tourists and they're looking for homes for their families as opposed to hotels and then the land upon which the proposed uses unsuited for the use of permitted it within the district so little or literal interpretation of the land that we're talking about is where the houses are so you can't farm because there's existing dwellings on there but we do talk about the fact that there is an active plumeria farm county approved implemented farm plan and again we're not anticipating that the rental you will negatively affect the agricultural property so the permit criteria for the short term rental home we have quite a bit it's on page four just with them and then our analysis is later in there these are the minimum standards for accepting an application you can only have two dwellings a maximum of six bedrooms what the manager requirements are just a whole host but we don't even accept an application unless these minimum what you do want to review are some additional criteria that was placed into the law and they gave us counsel gave us some specific factors first they want to look at the number character of the neighborhood how many are there existing in the neighborhood and how far they are in this case there are two other short term mental homes in la nina poco but none are located right in this specific subdivision what are the number and substance of protests for the application there were enough protests to trigger this public hearing most of the letters cited concerns about excessive noise some smoke specifically to this property others were more general  there was an open house that was held for neighbors and during that open house the consultant did learn that the home behind the parcel was rented and did create a lot of noise that house has since been sold all the outdoor speakers have been disabled there were support letters from the immediate adjacent neighbors and these neighbors state that the applicants are respectful and responsible neighbors again another one of our criteria is there are there existing or past complaints about rental operations on this property a request for service was filed in september for a ration of three letters from neighbors did stay complaints about the previous operations on the property the applicant did respond they spoke with their neighbors as many that had put in telephone numbers they did get three letters of support from the most immediate neighbors they also state that they have a professional who's responsible for addressing neighbor concerns when there is a problem and again they understand that no parties are allowed on the property  there's also the criteria of existing or past noncompliance with requirements in the degree of cooperation by the applicant to come into compliance so it soonest the applicants received a notice of warning from the county they did remove all their website advertising and work with the county they were given a certain amount of time to finish up their operations their reservations and they did comply with that period according to the applicants they were in the process of preparing the application when they were contacted by the county i know it does take quite some time to put these applications together and they have ceased all operations and submitted this application so that they can come into compliance with the code in december when the fire plan is spectrum which is part of the requirements for this permit was conducted  was discovered that the smaller dwelling was using a mud room as a garage however and once the applicant learned about that the house is only permitted for two bedrooms because it's an accessory dwelling and the applicant is since returned that room to a permitted so they are now in compliance correspondents received and that's the homeowners association we out we often look at that as a testament to the character of the neighborhood so the homeowners association covenants in this subdivision do not restrict short term reynolds i do know the board is considering it and discussing it right now but at this point in time there are no restrictions on it you'll find a matter in there from the management company that states this so i just wanted to end with the agricultural analysis that we provide in all of our reports there's over ninety plumeria trees the letter from the neighbor states that the lakers do come and farm plan that has been inspected and also the state office of planning to not have any comments on the state land use on their application so next i'm going to turn it over to the applicants they're going to speak briefly to you address you know their their thoughts and they've been really supportive of us we appreciate that very much so i wanted to give a chance to just share with you a little bit about our interest and what we feel about maui and where we come from and who we are so that you can understand where we're you know what we're applying for about seven years ago my partner and i started coming here pretty regularly and bringing our our kids here we have a teenager fifteen years old and as a twenty one year old daughter in college at this point and we started coming in every year year over year because we just totally fell in love with it we started actually specifically we found that area to be really lovely and can do sort of her family life and we were renting an ohana there so we started staying there about seven years ago as i said we'd come for about two weeks at a time and we found about three or four years into it that we kept looking at real estate over and over again and thinking this is where we need to be you know this is a second home to us and so ultimately it's our intent to retire here actually so we we bought this home about eighteen months ago and we've been staying here about two to three weeks every quarter now since then and ultimately we plan to be here about six months as we hear our other home is in massachusetts so it's quite a commute but it's totally worth it to us because we really love this place i'm a physician and my partner is a nurse practitioner and as a team we decided about five and a half years ago to create to found an organization that provides care for patients who suffer with addiction and it's it's a really challenging line of work and it's sadly you may have seen in the usa today report that just came out but it's a growing area in this country of concern and devastation so we're working pretty much around the clock back home and so i have to say that coming to maui is really our resource of respite you know we come here to recoup and recover and and to restore ourselves and i continue to work when i'm here but i'm able to you know really enjoy our agricultural land and enjoy the views of enjoyed his face and it's very restorative for us as a as a family so so while it's really more you know rewarding work it's it's really the only place we travel to now is to come here and recuperate so we're here about two to three weeks every quarter as i mentioned and so our intent to be working here from have about half time so in about eighteen months or so my hope is to be living here half time when our daughters have our second his daughters off to college and then she would be here with us as well  then ultimately when we retire a few years from then our hope is to really be you know splitting our lives between here in massachusetts and so it is our hope to be here so that should the commission allow us this permit you know our intent actually for rentals is actually fairly short term just would like to be able to offer this to families and enjoy it the way we did when we first started coming to the island and fell in love with it so that's that's who we would be renting to again we hope to retire here went to kids are at a college and high school i want to mention that we were deeply concerned about but our neighbors raised and you know i was pleased that our immediate neighbors did not have the same concerns but that the adjacent neighbors had concerns was very concerning to us and i very much want to be a neighborly person we you know really deeply care about everyone's can you know ability to have enjoyment of the property and to be able to be there and have you know peace and quiet everyone deserves that so it was something we were immediately attend all about attending to so i actually personally made phone calls to as many of those neighbors as i could reach i spoke specifically for example with dr nutter who is a few properties near us and we had a wonderful conversation it turns out he's also a physician from from near where i was where i practice we had a fair amount income and he understood that because the property that is  immediately behind us was actually it was actually being long term rented out so you know a permitted use of the property they would rent it out for six months and the people who were there who rented it from the prior owners unfortunately were incredibly loud we found them to be that way as well and there were frequent parties there at all hours they were starting early in the morning sometimes late into the night you know other people in letters have mentioned things like horror larman other things we found that also meant we consistently found it to be from this property behind us and gleefully since they've moved out which is about has a different feel to it and we're glad that they've done so dr natter expressed it that he was sad that in some ways we probably are being lumped in with that house you know that that people are making some assumptions that we're probably contributing to that or were a part of that when we really weren't and you feel bad about that and other people express that saying that's in concern so we deeply care about everyone else's peaceful enjoyment and we will be respectful we will be attentive we have a very excellent property manager who actually lives just down the street he's also on  six or seven properties away so he will be immediately attentive to anyone's needs and to any of our neighbors should they have concerns he would be immediately present to them as he literally lives right there so we greet feel grateful to have this beautiful home we're looking forward to retiring here soon  but we appreciate your consideration for the opportunity to to share this with other families who might come in love being here as we have thank you for your time you so  of our property our crop and in our front yard we have made those as a cottage dozens of coconut trees last summer my daughter my ten year old daughter found out how to cord the coconut she she keeps  hydrated our coconut water when i work the land we are is this is very exciting for me i have a i have a twenty three year old daughter a twenty two year old daughter we should be returning to times a year for it we're able to spend a great deal of time here summers so i planned to be here full time to after my daughter graduates to live here to retire here we would have greatly appreciate the opportunity to run our home  to help pay for the cost of the propping me we don't tweet we won't burn out our home for any long term as we are here as often as we can make it so that just doesn't work for us sorry to say we are all very respectful of our land our neighbors time with them and very very proud of that i think that really speaks volumes who would like the opportunity to offer a home to gas that will appreciate vacationing in an agricultural region we will encourage our guests to enjoy our farm crops our homes and our unique agricultural community thank you very much the commission in this process as many of you know i was involved in the port relation of that breakfast and the short term rental permitting process that for over eight years it's important to understand that after these  these uses are now permit dated uses in almost all the districts of of maui this is in distinct difference from a conditional permit which sometimes come come past you for you to make comments to the county council on where it's not it's specifically a prohibited use or are not allowed to use and then someone has coming in saying i want to make this use and in that case you need to the specific conditions conceived by the council to ensure that these uses do not affect surrounding uses and do not at bursley affect neighbors the occupancy is limited to a certain amount the cars all must be parked on site there are specific quiet hours that have to be in place the point being that when someone is in compliance with a short term rental permit this property is not having any additional impact on the neighborhood then would a resident in fact because they have these conditions it should have less impact on the neighborhood and then a full time resident would have when an application gets referred to this commission for approval it's because a particular trigger has been activated in this case it's that the neighbors have have have showed some objection to to the application when this went past the county council the question came up how do we determine whether an objection is reasonable or not and that's where the county council felt that the planning commission would be able to weigh in on it and  determine whether or whether a an objection is something that is someone's fear that might happen or whether an objection is a real thing that maybe has happened in the past or there an objection is because the neighbors have a dispute over who cut the trees or whose view was blocked or something like that and that's where they hoped that the commission could weigh in and become an arbiter if you will ever apps to conceive of a mitigating condition that might be added to the permit should a neighbor's application should the neighbor's objection simply be thinking at a matter of noise or one of the things that talks were dealt with hopefully the commission understands that the conditions that are put in place already will be addressed that thank you for any questions for the fire miss wilson and mr white hurst answering a number of my questions and concerns but none the less people there with me all run through what i came to say here the purpose of the enhance protect the property protect the interest and the value that the owners have in that place that's why i'm serving on the board of directors that's why we have a committee really looking into the short term rentals that's why our  approach at this time is we don't see any value in them for anyone but the owner in spite of what mr crowley just told us here who are we at least for the truck past twelve years i have lived there are so she is a great little farm community were friendly courteous little fashion maybe considerate all most of our women walked the narrow streets in the morning not worried too much about anything except dogs on the loose we're not a gated community we're not exclusive most people are the working class most people go to work in the day and nothing else on their property many are myself included have built their own dwellings grown their own landscaping plants we were gr before it became involved we have always been this from going to go back a little contrary we've always been zone agricultural when joe and i came over and also fell in love with the place we found out that the develop original story to the maui community was not to worry we're an agricultural community going to have big lots and be quiet and behave ourselves the buyers were made aware of what's called a farm land agreement before they ever put any one hundred sixty days or more and it gives votes on that short term reynolds for a period of less than six months including vacation rentals are not permitted under any circumstance see maui county code nineteen point three zero a and nineteen point thank you any questions for this fire  things that we have seen a lot of parties the last of the night rap music eight o'clock on saturday morning having coffee with my eleven year old granddaughter and my ninety year old mother in law and the most disgusting lyrics broadcast over speaker you've ever heard cars rental cars mustang convertible driving much much too fast i don't think it's that they're purposely disobeying the rules because they have no skin in the game i just think they're not being pri us because there was some illegal activity going on and still is a case of so so when you purchased property did that type of information was not produced to owners or was that produced the owners oh it was certainly produced to us i did not campus and neighborhood but i would for the latter but you should be aware of the fact you've got to have an act plan that you are not a culture and all the things that i stated my introduction thank that was made aware to everybody i didn't know we had  you're saying that you have a problem with sound all over that that's a mountainside and it's amazing how much you can hear one mile from the ocean here the waves nothing we can hear people talking lots over the sound that's my full time residents now my realtor showed me where the other short term rentals were on the map i knew they were around my house and that is of major reason that i bought the property i'm sympathetic to the owners having great intents and having a dream of living in such a nice area but i think that the way they're going about it to trying to get their properties to be short term randall is actually defeating welfare what the dream is and they're injuring the dream of everyone else in the neighborhood and  nature of the property in the neighborhood i think that there's just a vast difference between the use of property  homeowners or long term tenants to think otherwise is in my opinion why to say that they can't party is naive because that's that is based on a scale of subjectivity there will be increased activity when i looked at the property itself and where the parking will be it looks like it's there crushing those cars in so that space i guess they have all the area around in the primary season all about will be parking and living in those two houses and how many bedrooms they're allowed to use this packing event it looks very crowded to me once the permit is given and then we lose all power which should be colored orange is that what you call them what is the negative or it's ok if i just admitted it today it so they're building the main house on that property they bought with the cottage now you know i just read the newspaper so that's all i know is what i've read and i know that in february the maui planning commission cited the lack of affordable rental people that were living there recently you know convicted by the owners that that's not really the right term the owners decided to reside in the place of it and so the people that had been renting then contacted the people i am going to be renting from in august and made a high bid and so now the people that i'm going to be renting from have this high opinion of property that i'm going to be renting and those people were not able to find anything on the rant and people that live on the west side are struggling to stay where they work and so i am totally against although i am a pool cleaner and i don't want to  building the house the house is the main house is going to be finished in august and then the owners will be using the main house and the politics will be for rent now that's another thing the cottages unlike your book i never knew that across the street or about across the street i can or is across the street above the same thing well i mean twenty feet higher you go across th bleak higher it's a little bit higher like you know from the cottage that i will be renting i will be looking down on the property at some point yeah i just got more confused because i saw you testifying for the property below i mean higher but then are you plug so there's a cut six o five the cottage is right here the main house is right here it's being built it will be finished in august so might i'm projected to grant this property you know or september some it is a slight downhill to the property in question but only like twenty or fifty feet down till i had it i was looking at the map the wrong way i was looking at from top to bottom sort of a sideways ok and so then this is where people just recently moved out in the last occasions i'd like to respond just briefly to the public comment because i think everybody can relate to problems with noise in their neighborhood most of us have experienced those types of issues and i want to tell you that these applicants are sincerely serious about not disrupting their neighborhood the quality of their neighborhood i've met with them on numerous occasions and we've discussed it over and over and it's how we can be proactive  making sure that the neighborhood is not disrupted the applicants asked me to do open house i sent letters to all of residents within the pipe and put radius and  and i got a couple that we had two couples in attendance and then a number of phone calls which we took on the issues that they had into consideration when we went head to get there at the application the mr crowley i think did a really good job in identifying the positive aspects of having no waste and short term rental as opposed to the many many many and lace and short term rentals lace and short term rooms have properties but on the whole mission here today is to make sure that what our mission and goal was eleven years ago was to make sure that these plans are used for what it was purpose to and as far as the noise goes i can truly say that i think i think the community is better off with the short term rental because there are there is recourse there are regulations about noise for a permanent residence well lots of people have can't recently i was at a get together and there's a down there a permanent resident and it was really loud to one talking point and there are no regulations against that where there would be with the short term so i think i think the community is better is subject to seven condition wellington you can have a third if there's a certain criteria met a certain number of income amount of income but with the two the first well ng is you have to have a farm plan on paper at the second trial in the farm plan has to be implemented there are restrictions on the size of the seconds to outline under different sections of the code such as residential or they actually call it an accessory to a link however under the  how it works is under hawaii state law you are allowed to condon minimize the property it's not county about state so what it does is it essentially breaks up the ownership of the property and you can then sell it separately how the county looks at it thinking they continue to see it as one block until it is in if it is ever officially subdivided so in terms of public works in terms of the planning department it retains we use the i think of the ten number t m k number the main the main bedrooms but that's the maximum we're allowed so yes basically because both mr whitehurst and myself and our family come pretty frequently and neither of us really rented all that often when we do typically it's to families because it's just you know two two bedrooms units as a as a whole as a six bedroom read oh i guess my question is you're going to have to several parties possibly from a potentially it could be two separate parties exactly but it could be it would be limited to no more than that many people at any one time the first is that when we're when we're not there we're we're there about three weeks every quarter at this point and get about eighteen months i anticipate that we'll be living here half time so we may not lend into dollars that point but as of until then we like to rent it for a few reasons one i personally very much enjoy when we were able to come to lani poco and rent an ohana and that's what the how the hell it cost and helped us fall in love with this area and so we'd like very much to rent to small families you know because again we only have four bedrooms so we typically rent two to small families who come in and enjoy it the way that we did and secondarily it does help cost offset our expenses with our agriculture our agricultural plan and continuing to develop that but we're not renting it all of the time or renting it is a very small portion of the time and in the balance we actually have friends and family that come and stay or folks who work for our business will stay there sometimes so we just we use it for a variety of different purposes like now machine for the question to that is what is your long term plan as far as getting there to live permanently from the point that i understand the neighbors are concerned you know especially right so down so in terms of our long term plan we my hope is to be in it about two years our youngest daughter will be out of high school and so at that point when she goes to college we intend to live here half time and i know at that point that we probably won't be renting it any further  the interim we would have people staying there but it would be a family like ours so they would provide no more traffic to that area or no excessive use of the sewerage or the waste or the other systems that our family would you know because we frequently have our you know our family and a couple o friends stay with us so at any one time there's never more than eight people in our home for example and because of that i don't think that they provide any more use of the land or the property or the roadways or any of that and we also will have a book in our home that  states those requirements very clearly no noise after eight p m no parties no you know so we're actually very restrictive about that and we've got a property manager who comes by the property every day to check and make sure that those people that are staying are in compliance and again we  very selective about who we allow to stay so generally it's families and you know people who are you know their parents and their children and their grandparents you know and that's that's who is typically staying in our homes now in our case we're a little farther away  ohana the gathering place we call it and so we we're we're only allowed to rent out our two rooms that are in our one thousand square foot ohana and a maximum of four people so i guess it's possible for a longer period of time while they take that off of the rental pool i would be requesting this permit to continue but it but i'd only be allowed to rent out two bedrooms and it would be back for four people when they were looking there but we're very we're asking for is a one year opportunity there's a lot of restrictions on this one year and there's everybody here they all know was there now and then your three neighbors know us very well have you guys ever thought of any alternative ways of sort of going for a british rental for you for both of you have you thought about that in practice have you thought about events like the dragonfly farm now does up there have you thought about maybe renting one of the long term and one of them when he comes to visit then rent in your place over work is some type of do that which of the be financially viable the homes or the homes are owned in occupied by two separate families if you will i guess sort of our case with lindsay's school schedule she's in six going into sixth grade there may be an opportunity rented for six months at a time but you know that we would then be engaging in what that gentleman said potential of raising rents here so we're really not interested in doing that i think we would just simply leave it they can and you know although maybe this is required all of them established and share mike's feeling about wanting to have as much control over the timing as possible i think that's the bigger issue for us and with my work schedule being what it is and which is quite extensive at this point the number of hours and sort of are growing mean for us to have flexibility to decide you know these are weeks that were blocking off that's just for us and our family and these are weeks that we're blocking off for professionals that work for us that we want to give a gift to state and these are you know times for our you know other family members to come family to come to get us a lot of flexibility to accommodate those people and then you know have periodic interim interval rentals otherwise so in terms of trying to maximize those that amount of flexibility  some of those people actually be in some of your brain tumors or using that as part of your therapy or part of your you know your own wish to these people you know how that might affect your neighbors around there if those people actually were to convert maybe not you know great question i am absolutely it is not our intent to have this become a rehabilitation center of any kind just to clarify our business is entirely outpatient office based so it so we employee and nurse practitioners and and  provide care in an office setting i'm actually it's my personal philosophy of care that patients do better when they get longitudinal care over time as an outpatient and so i'm not a big believer in in short incidences of care and so  to have to have a short term rental as a neighbor or a landowner i can just go from your personal experience and i i can see how our having somebody come and different person every week next door in different cars and different different ways of thinking you know to my home with my kids in the front yard you know it's always that you know who are these their retirement is a couple years away and another one to get further and maybe their preemptive you know trying to get to their dream quicker and trying to search for different permits is not something that i think is conducive to the money really i think the total intent of having a farm five hundred percent they're going to live there like most of the people are already living there and so or that's my reservation right now is that  that he had to work the agricultural land we've come up out as far as we can call from the intent of the state agricultural all it's basically been perverted to the point please reveal english gentleman to state the recent the land is not suitable for agriculture it is because you cannot grow anything underneath the swimming the whole thing to come it shouldn't be like this and this commission shouldn't be put into a position of having to decide whether something is right or wrong on something like this when it's so obviously wrong  i would like to know what the status of changing the entire subdivision from agricultural to rural or some other use is so that all of this stuff all of this by the most unattractive part  you know whether or not there's that's something that the commission would support or not right now the review is how they requested permit an agricultural district and and you've been given a review of what it what it that entails and with the criteria of granting record in front of you but in order to give the staff some assistance in hearing the decision in order that would be helpful if the commissioners provide a bit of the reasoning there would be a formal adoption of that decision in order to short term rentals and we've heard testimony today there are up to six different short term rental is operating in the area the second reason that i have for posting this would be because  we've had also record of existing past complaints that were filed with the police department as well as now ten letters in opposition to this particular applicant or applicants this is the first time i've seen an application come in for two different owners instead of one  reconnected and turned off and that's something that could generate noise problems in the future and those are my reasons i think opportunity to present our case and to me make sure that the factual record is very clear about about the situation that exists on our property as well as our neighbors so you for all that effort in time you put into this and to say that we've nothing really has changed when i bought the land i was told don't run a business enabler and this isn't what it's for and i was quite happy and confident that the road would not be this is a wave of review for a time extension at your time extension right as someone that was previously approved by this party and this is going to be the third request for the original initiate construction and it's usually five years from the date of the approval and then after they initiate construction which could be improvements or getting a grading permit or a building permit they usually have five more years to the project so sometimes you know due to economic things or other things happening in the area they get a permit but they can't act on initiating the construction for some time and so  the reason for the request i try to include the drainage record because that's very important in the estimate as well as a site map a site description of the project and sometimes pictures and just to give you a very brief and supposed to be a wave of review of the body feels there are some outstanding things or has been going on for too long or they have other issues you're welcome to not wait for you and ask to see the project again proper for the body and that will require me to do this but  departments provide a staff report to reopen up the project essentially or you can grant two more years you know with comments sometimes i've had the board say mission or say you know they don't want to see it come before you know another or they can write more than two years feel this is come before me three or four times for you to your time extension how many years do you guys really and you're welcome to make that a longer extension so this is the garcia family subdivision this is going to be their third time extension work wise and the applicants actually made a lot of improvement towards getting this permit done they actually submitted for on final subdivision approval just this past march and that was due to the show me the water bill was kind of their big hold up for getting the subdivision done and with the amendments made to that they now qualify for any exemption because they're under ten lots so that was really the major mover that's going to get this permit going so the applicant is confident that with the two year time extension the class they can get this project moving forward and they are here as well but her version comes just to give the detail this is a determination by the director that they're going to grant a two year time extension the commission is being asked whether it would like to review that determination or waive review of that determination it states in the rules prior to granting or denying any permit time extension request the director shall notify the commission of the request at the commission's next regularly scheduled meeting yesterday receipt of which shall be acknowledged by the commission such notification shown clue but not be limited to the information provided to the department permit holder th justification for the time extension the commission may review the permit time extension request at its next available meeting after receiving notice or way of review of the request if the commission ways or view of the requests the director ma grant or deny the time extension or a copy of the determination to the commission so today or not approving or denying a extension you're looking at the director said i'm going to grant this extension if you wave review unless you take action  so you actually want to review and to turn and whether to approve or deny the time extend so the question actually today is for the commission to waive review of the two year time extension that can be granted by the director as long as you waive you don't waive your read your review of the don't i think as i recall this was a small subdivision of ten blocks and mckenna family subdivision show me the water is a substantial barrier to proceeding if you're in the middle of a dry filed against it for the county mys acceptance of their final yet so that's kind of blocking them moving forward or pulling any permits right now to move forward on this project so they are requesting a two year time extension request as of now and the applicant is y as you as you may already be aware the ordinance allows for one encourage it's basically changes have been to encourage the development of affordable housing and in so doing they have  to of course this is a high rise condominiums projects of course there's a construction cost associated with that kind of construction that drive you know expense in terms of construction project concept of basically a market project with an affordable component wasn't working financially mainly because you can only charge somebody you know in that part of our community and make it desirable work and slowly building kind of make this project goes with bibles right trying to sell try to kind of clear up the area and kind of what we're looking at a couple different scenarios are if we work with a provider it could very