first item on the agenda would be approval of the minutes of the regular council meeting of november eleventh two thousand and thirteen and move that the minutes be approved as submitted yet ok we have a motion in a second is there any further discussion or comment hearing not only favor the motion stay on high per se nay seven zero mr sylvester e next item would be a special reports  would be somewhat of a liability for us to discount their recommendation sao while i understand what the concerns are of the residency put the gate up are i really don't see how we can discount the recommendation of the public service would we have standing mr boyle it is a question we've raised at the last couple of meetings whether we would be the proper party to force obviously the residents on the street to disagree with the ga wheelchair that can't get out somebody did so early it should get out the falls because they've got to open a gate to drive one of the road that's been open for sixty years it creates potential issues in construction they have such a thing as a hol couple meetings as to the issue of standing is really the big issue here with the we can police and i believe we have a good opportunity to have a good fine feeling because who else to do it in terms of policing in a room with it's been over for so long as a three month in doctor who john was saying mr smith my question is if it's not a public road then how does the public have any input as far as if it's a public safety hazard it's a private road i just don't see you know what the dispute is if it's a private road in the house of a public safety hazard for the home of the homes were built on the understanding just like we would do it in the subdivision of the the homes were built whether the roads were ever dedicated to the township or not it was always interested paid in this case actually used for decades as an open thoroughfare just they remain private from the standpoint of means but it was not a product by use of the citizens of the township alternately used to be here you raise the same point the council raises to me it's not you know absolutely clear but i think we have reports this evening from various the department head saying that this could be a potential liability to individuals in that on that street pay understand i don't see how we impede any type of safety hazard for the records were circulated to council i looked at the reports i don't know what your definition creepy in terms of how detail they because you know we can't get to that point and i don't want to bring up every potential contingency here because i know some of them may be far reaching to see what my concern is if you if you say you make us take on the gate and there's a lawsuit i think you guys are all grown a can of worms if you let a public bathroom use this road because a study of traffic comes through and there's going to be more dangers on that road than just keeping the gate up one that was one of the things we talked about last time in terms of one of the so that's one of the issues in terms of it when we do things like this at the township or which i doubt he would and there would be a traffic study traffic engineers would get involved figure out how that would work what it would look like you're only going back to ago when we paid the backside portion there was no traffic none and you could speak to that better than i can for sure and that was never an access way into the plant i don't know if something and she rode but he said my concern is more of a public safety hazard to open the gate and is we asked our public safety the pardons to provide us with input on their opinions just like you have an opinion in their opinion on whether or not this presents a public safety ask and three  took to go the alternate routes and to come through the one that has the gate i think the issue is above and beyond that is that farces they were never consulted as to their opinion on the gate even before it was i mean we didn't ask their opinion we told them that we were closing at them so i think that's a another issue it sits on you know with his comments was that this was done without really any don't know we  and private matter so i've tried taking the route of coming to you guys but was advised not to and now that you know everything is done and there's a fuss about it you know we're the ones in the wrong who try to take the you know the correct route from the beginning and then on top of that you know the whole fire you know enabling some please i mean as far as a legal standpoint you know i'm not trying to sound jerky about this but from what right they have to use a private drive legally get involved within really fire police i don't understand what raid it gives them to use a road that nothing is paid for except by us residents when there's other three there's a difference between your driveway your house in this news driveways on your own personal property and the road is on the road is all right away no it's not what we perceived i mean that's i mean it's part of it it's part of the housing plan you know the tire tracks to that was that's or that road is our property that's part of our driveway and i think therein lies the problem there there is a difference between this road and your drive your personal drive in from the i mean that's legally you can only go alone the front because for fifty sixty years it's been open when you look at the plane it was on fire ship it shows that roadway open and it's hard to just commune without some sort of linda bell subdivision to go over and say now we're going to close in without any sort of traffic study any sort of public safety you put and i think that's what counts problem is nobody doubts that it probably does provide some sort of protections or some sort of relief to the residents th are there but unfortunately that's just not the way it works in terms of how we shut down our routers a lot of things you can't do on a on a private street and i know this is one of those gray areas but to us when you look at the plan there was one f live in a plan which paved roads and we have issues with speed and i can only imagine how worse it might be with a road that's not quite maintained i think from a township perspective there are more people involved in addition to the ones who maintain the road and part of the argument harming is to make sure that those people have the protections afforded to them and if something would happen we would not want to be in a position of having denied response at the it's become a convenience then that that's probably the other thing from from my perspective if the road had never been opened if it had never panned perceived as a drive through on the plan never really was well but i'm saying it went to plan strong and there's access to any chance that exists right from the very beginning that presumes that people can traverse now so given the fact that there always was that way in the beginning the fact that it's close now is part of the other concern to me if it was never opened before and it was of course probably called a sacking of you agreed you wanted it to be close well that might be a whole different story because all you're endangering or potentially putting at risk are yourself so like for example if a truck driving right you could be in you know dawson's cross roads parking lot and that's all private but the public has falls under certain category then i don't see how you know you can force somebody to do something unless you're in charge of that road and you need the right that that's what accorded and back on your side delay response times and and you know like i said at the last meeting when we discussed this you know if it was purely a private disputed to private matter then i would agree that the the township has no you know reason to to interject itself into that dispute but where i think least the feedback that we're getting that there could be possible  impediments to response times and i think is mrs mare who pointed mrs merrill pointed out you know it could play slide billie on on the public i mean you know two minutes can make a big difference in a law situation and i think that if we didn't take the position that we're taking in and something happened that maybe you probably could have been avoided sympathetic to the two people who desire to live on that private road and and i think that if there was no public aspect or no public reason why we would need to get involved that we would just leave this up to the residents that are in that play and to to to to resolve the dispute but unfortunately you know the the the feedback that we're  fire ambulance and police is that you know there are delays associated with this and the fact that yes they could go maybe a different way to get to a certain residence you know that that's part of the the way and like i said before i  is the position that you know we're in here and i know i don't know the answer to this but but the answer is going to be decided one way or the other i would assume in some sort of and i think that you know if it can be worked out we would certainly try to do that very we're going to move on to the audience comments this is the time where any member of the general audience can speak for up to five minutes relative to a non agenda item is there anyone in the audience that would like to speak to an on agenda so please come up state your name and address and let's have at it all right well rookie council meeting attend council about some of the issues that we've been having with garbage collection we've had several missed collections or late kind of collections over the past year i've spoke to a couple people at the township building about this a mr s i believe maybe i speak he personally on the phone about this several months back you probably don't recall but anyway i digress i'm not aware of what's being done about the garbage me in a bother some of my residents because we pay hundreds of dollars a year for trash collection and i feel if we're paying hundred dollars a year for tax collection collection we should get the service we're paying so they collected on the odd numbered side of the planet they missed the even numbered side of the plant bed to answer your question mr stein and mr stein all there happened occasions where they missed the entire plant  received for audit ing services for two thousand and thirteen through two thousand and fifteen we have three proposals for our service whose pows who is from our current auditor for auditing services to second off favor say aye i say nay past seven zero please thank her for her years of service and wish you the best in the future next side would be appointed to fill the the ninth i mean i think we can have i would agree to approve providing that they're removed the next day and the only other thing it looks like we made three bond payments and it's over seven hundred thousand dollars almost eight hundred information is very sensitive in nature and so therefore we have developed a procedure by which municipalities would pass resolutions to make requests for that information and they would designate custody and forward so that we weren't just simply passing out that information to anybody quest so if sometime in the future peter thousands of had a need for that information and quite honestly i don't know what that would be we would go through a seem to come in waves you know we we had a good summer we had a couple of very severe advance and we had you know we have problems that come to light some of them are new some of them are we hashed every couple years a lot of them are just continuing and i have one question in the piece that's politan indicated that there is some legislation under way about allowing townships to do online advertising instead of one on the construction a pos we still need as owning hearing board alternate i believe and potentially will have a cable board position well i think maybe that makes sense and i may we can do those appointments after the first