items that anyone has that is not on the agenda to have in the public to be heard tonight yes please state your name for the record we surrender i actually just have a quick question you know hear yesterday's it show them that even if they're there consistently that over time people do pay attention to them but they you know still have an impact even after years you know you want to stay i mean there's solar powered so we don't have to worry about battery packs so the intention right now is to keep them there and we're going to hopefully be able to purchase other ones to rotate through the town with the battery packs that is the this like for any other public to be heard if not we're going to talk about the landowner license for the trails committee  some respects why do you need an agreement that's why i don't call this an agreement a license is something that the property owner can say you know what this isn't working out for me i'm going to revoke this permission or they sell the land and the next owner says i don't want people coming on my property and so you can be revoked a lot of people are wary of giving something as permanent as an easement because they think that when they go to sell the property you know this might they use and when they're trying to stitch together you know routes and and they have you know land owners who don't necessarily want to do something as permanent as an easement and they all  d these sort of licenses and we looked at the wording of them and really tried to have something that's pretty common sense non legal ease that would just spell out some of the i look at this almost because it's not like a contract it's almost like an answer to frequently asked questions and the way it's you know here was is the property we're talking about so that's appendix a and i can describe the property here's the part of my property it's ok for people  and then you need often have a little map and it doesn't need to be super formal just so you are again on the same page about where people can walk and it's saying what what the property can be used for in paragraph two public can access it for the purpose and the town for constructing maintaining using a path for non motorized recreational purposes and it clarifies it or just face clearly as license is not a transfer of property rights but as a if you think about constructing a trail it's not a trail if it's you know on walkable through so you need to be clear clear a way for people to walk or ride their bikes and you know this number is a kind of a placeholder no wider than three feet i've seen some that are as wide as ten feet or you know but you know we can see what the landowners willing to do and this is just a model that can be kind of tailored to the situation and then it addresses the issue of sign so a lot of times trails are marked with glazing on trees or if it splits you know it might point point six miles the trail letters just information like that so kind of addresses that signature by the town and i that's one of the things i want to ask you about about you think of the appropriate signatory and what you know the kind of process you start with appropriate for this kind of thing you can see  they're not filled out they're just shells because that has to be the description of the property that just depends on what we're talking about and appendix b is where the path where the permission is and on that property then one thing we saw on the models that we looked at was  you know we're not going to lay down the five page entire land owner liability law but what the what the models couple the models we saw did was to state the kind of the key provision there and then give them information about how to access the entire chapter of law so the key provision is that if you're nice enough to give permission to walk on our land you're not going to be liable and less the damage injury is the result of get sued hopefully the case will get thrown out at a very quick and early stage and so that's kind of the distinction is it doesn't convey total immunity from suit someone can still try to say no this will fall miss conduct standards but you know unless the facts are pretty egregious and i can i can tell you that since that statute was i was put in effect i didn't research to see if there's any case law having this it's an appropriate thing so you know they they have this frequently answered question here about liability that kind of gets us to remember to think about the parameters of now ok what are we talking about on this plan to make sense and the other organizations recreational organizations that we looked at something like this and it's nice has already been vetted by the town returning yes which is also brought a couple comments and changed it and i appreciate house that and really transparent because it is you know it's very clear i mean people know exactly what they're giving permission for right and i think you're right this is a great can't find it tonight right because you have to add in the description yes this is sort of who's going to sign it yeah i mean it might be worth just so you know it was the policy that you know a final recommendation will be presented from the trustee to the sun were to sign it so you start thinking about stitching together the little pieces of trail a lot of exciting opportunities that's just figure out what to prioritize and not getting to thank you trill committee for all the work this is very very exciting for you know people throughout the town it really is very time thank you all right now we're going to have the the under passing of mrs rivers last year and basically that property being transferred over to the fire department that history goes back a ways prior myself  fifteen didn't feel that they were giving proper protection to the people there more than five miles away and in doing so you may not know this but if you are when you pay for your fire insurance he looks up and sees if you are within five miles of the fire station or you're within one thousand feet of a fire hydrant and if you are they give you a reduction on your insurance and there was some people that live for actually the station where it is now is actually four miles from our station were about four miles here to the station so all these people were covered but the dawn phase in the you know the further end of barbara firma drugs and would be on the on the edge of the property there and so forth  towards richmond those people were not use if they did not have a fire department in that make sure fire insurance costs a lot of money even more than you're paying now so we looked around to see where we should put a fire station and along comes donald analysis rivers and they said if you would like to put a fire station here  center we will give you the land three acres of land and we will give you the fill for this kind of home be area and perhaps you can get the national guard to draw the fill over there and well as we look around i mean no one was here here's some land you know here's three acres of land everyone wanted ten fifteen twenty thousand dollars for the land so we looked at that area in pacifically we said well probably in the future because it hadn't been that long yes and say it calls the air force base  in that area so we said they might actually give the property that's on the range back to the town and then we would really really be central we'd be right where we need to be we'd be in the sun of t and instrumental and saved us probably fifteen twenty thousand dollars and being the general contractor for it and we have a lot of local people donate things and so forth and i believe we had simply learned to eighty thousand dollars in that fire so we we did a good job and consequently the people that live now here within five miles of a fire station they got a reduction in their fire insurance well then i'm not sure what year it was maybe day remembers when down revived but i'm guessing eighty four eighty five and we heard somehow probably through the grapevine because we didn't have room for one but the alice rivers was going to be selling some for farmer part of her farm or something and like anybody when you have three acres of land you think well maybe you should have a little bit more and maybe we'd like a fire training out our fire training desart fire training that so maybe we should have all of the three or four acres around that building and so we kind of made a date with mrs reverse to set down whether in that particular morning i remember we had a fire at the old red mill got shorted out on the assistant chief david villa knows our first assistant chief and myself was the chief at the time we went down and we said it misses reversed table and she said well boys what is a can do for you to that so we explained to her that we would like to we've heard that she was going to sell part of her farm and we would like to purchase a view another two or three acres around there and she said well  back of the barn because there's gravel there you know seems like they're building a circle of friends a high school and they want the gravel for the circumstantial and the figure was a lot a lot of money and we said there's you know there's no way i just this land is worth a lot more than we thought however he said the fire department has been very good to donald and i over the years we have been we had been there practically every year for a fire of some nature either a grass fire a chimney fire we went there once to take a little bowl fell in the well we the winch on a truck and actually without we had a they had a half hour they got caught in the minority that can doll and i would like to give you the whole farm well if you ever saw three young men at that time with their  males wide open like this because that just didn't happen people did not do that they didn't give the three acres of land so nothing about one hundred twenty five now this is in one nine hundred eighty six and she says however you need to have the paperwork made out before january first this is a couple days before christmas because after january first wonderful what we got one hundred twenty five acres of land and the thing that i remember came out of that analogy resumes on this is she thought we ought to maintain a place in them broke for skinny dipping well i guess that the only thing that we've ever really done a that was good for anyway in she also wanted to reserve the income from the gravel path it was a little gravel bed that you access well as time went on things things went along as they do and but now they were landowners we've got to do something about  so we thought what should we do with the farmer well we have different ideas maybe we should turn it into office spaces and so forth and then along comes cal marie well then it seems that because we are a public and the enemy technically we own this gravel that we can just let mr butt delta gravel out of there we have to put this up for a bit so we did and i believe that john will won the contract the first one wow that didn't make mr bell very happy that you didn't have gravel anymore so all the sudden now to do that and got all the gravel pit permits because now we're we've got a gravel pit we've got a lot of money invested we need to sell gravel and we had this checked and there was like a million yards of material well so the gravel pit kind of went along well and so forth and we've had i guess three four contractors in there and they've all done fairly well  then fast forward a little left mrs reverse decided that it was going to be another man in her life and she moved to greensboro and very happy up there and so we think well maybe we can do something with this property now because she's not really living in the house and our attorney told us no you can't she has a life lease as long as she's alive doesn't matter if she's living there or not  for profit she also kind of him to do us it's not a stipulation but hinted to us that she would like to keep this land open prior to her romance and in greensboro the school came to us and they said we'd like to use some of this land down the bottom of the soccer field that you know a good idea they said we'll give you you know a dollar a year ten dollars a year whatever we'll lease it for ten years and then we'll give it back to you but i believe the attorney said no you don't want to do what do you mean we don't know if we don't want to you said no he says two reasons in the state of vermont a gravel pit is one of the hardest things to start and one of the easiest things to stop he said as soon as a child nearly gets hit or gets hep crossing even our own ranger road there doesn't matter if the mother lives in springfield or the mother lives in newport where the mother lives and your growl fest is going to shut down like that and some day that's going to be income for the fire department and you're really don't want that ground fish shut down the second thing is once of playground always a playground you don't take a playground by they may say we're going to give it back to you after ten years that doesn't happen and if you think about that various playgrounds you don't see houses on where you don't see anything else on so well this doesn't sound very good so then i believe stuart alexander's wife family was on the board school board of the time and i think she told the school board i know mrs mrs reverse let me go see her now mr rivers didn't own property but she wanted to see this is rivers to mr rivers was pretty adamant now there's a door you came in you can leave then this is rivers came to the fire parma officers meeting and she says don't you dare let the school use that land when mel mansfield high school built where they built on what was known as road around property donald and i offered our property to the school it wasn't good enough for they wanted roy rounds of property so they are not going to use the river property so now we're kind of really between the most a you know we're between mrs rivers the first new day of us the land we're between the school that would like the land and we wanted to say yes in the and we thought it was when we such a great thing about one hundred twenty five acres because what we've planned on doing with us all along is someday selling this property putting the money aside using the income from that money to help offset the expenses of the fire and then it would benefit everybody in the towns of jerk of and under all the people we serve and this was all kind of backfir on us because for the next three years maybe when we went to town meeting it was all you guys are bad people because you wouldn't give us that property over there so to sell the product the chief there from that point oh yes but that's kind of the history leading up to it we have some goals in mind the goal is to not something that we're looking for that i think that's where greeny says that goals are a committee was set up for it to say try and look for that special individual that may want to move from at this stage two of them are firem this person or family or whatever that has been forced out of the city that they're in and whether the new jersey new york dallas whatever and wants to hire you can buy you know but live close fairly close to a city but not there and we believe that if we ask on up ok we don't want us to we don't want to so the local person can can go to the bank and for all the money and like the reverse crossfire we only want to use the income from those trust fund to free the expenses of the fire department forever and that way  to transfer the development rights to the jericho under homeland trust and then sell the property where it would be sold as a single home and maintained as open space if there isn't dire financial and there h but anyway just say that a person from new jersey decides they want to move here because the wife wants to get out of the city so they move here in course she probably isn't going to want to live in that seventeen no you three house maybe she knows maybe she has i don't know but you're probably wanna build a home there somewhere but they can lower their price by selling the developments that's being stated to them so we wouldn't sell law goals of all our lives but we would let them go through a process that way we feel that we could benefit more over the long period of so it is meant to continue to get to town not just for a year or two but for years to come and i think that's where the community is that back and  cute first of all first of all this is like third meeting sorry to interrupt so the question to her really i mean i don't know if this is going to get heated or not but they did we don't usually have like cross talk in independent conversations it's usually you get our department is a good day basically remember an organization where anybody issues is voted out on that number is close to five million dollars may be donating some of it to the town it's so called heat wave that you used to jericho senator coming up the hill and then some of the women from my understanding is borders plain this continuous applause all the way to the cemetery that's why i have a fire it's not what money i get it's a concert was on the way that somethin i tell the guys i said you can't buy that i don't care what you do you cannot buy that that is that is appreciation for what we do and when someone you need to fire department you don't look up and yell beige is or whatever it is you who you're going to talk you call highest respected fire departments in the state of vermont and you guys can be really pleased about that and we got that way because of the support from the community as well you don't just get it asking around the state where he could go to be have that firearm camaraderie and they said it's right there in your town you want me to go anywhere else you've got it right there it's one of the opportunity to do this properly subdivided takes a whole ton of legal fees in time all that legal view would come from your taxes we didn't feel that that was a good use of the budget that you give us to spend that money in doing that we didn't have the time to go after that or do that and first and foremost it wasn't what alice wanted out of the way so we didn't pursue those options we have an act we talked with a couple of real estate people who are like you really don't want to go down there so again that's why we're here for some of the whole property we are the hope that you can find somebody that wants to leave it just delays or whatever i don't understand is that your hope will be will there be any kind of legal of binding that they will keep it just the way it is or you're saying they can do whatever they want you're hoping that the person will say yeah i love it i'm going to fire it but they don't have to that's not going to be part of the property it's not going to be part of the why can't we why can't you do that why can't that be part of the sale because you won't get as much then there's no way you're going to find that person in my opinion it has to be part of the sale and i don't know how i'm not sure i mean really i really don't but i really don't believe it i just i don't i know you want to believe it but i don't i don't believe someone's going to do that they're not going to keep their word on that they're not going to be able to but also how do you at any point do you guys make this  decision internally or do you at any point have to ask the voters what they want to do because it's the voters pay the i mean it's their taxes that pay for the budget and support the fire department right so doesn't this become a public issue or do certainly if they were to have this large windfall with this plan to go into account into what you would budget for them i mean i would certainly say as a taxpayer while we're getting five million dollars i would want any money to go to the fire this progresses feet i mean that in in the paper work that we've provided in the initial paperwork that they did with allison if it said that you know it would be rivers trusting that money question on my back when i was on the planning commission that area was identified as an area and using serving for well had protection that area was identified by soil surveys in other places but it not a survey do he started work on he formed a committee started work on getting these so called i s o ratings improved better and it's it's close there's probably a month two months away maybe they've been here that a lot of the us we've got a really good mark so your fire insurance is going to go down even more also anyone in this room that thinks the fire department has the taxes that they're paying today cost them money this mistaken your savings on your insurance is more than the cost of the fire department three year lease at the cost of one hundred ten dollars a month which is thirteen hundred dollars a year that's about the average of what the town has spent in mileage reimbursement electric car where we try to get all the electric cars that we know yeah yeah yeah i think that you know who definitely need to get the policy so that people use it under the can and then hopefully it becomes popular enough that you do get to sign there could be could be we have a point stage one stage show you know like because clearly you know for every paying that much per month to reimburse people right it's a good idea right and and is everybody on staff on board  species for for a hundred ten dollars a month this is an all electric vehicle that would be used for town business and the money spent on it would be hopefully  we i move that we authorize time to send this letter to the vermont superior court environmental vision requesting that we when they kept him drives this back to us but anyway to start with the vehicle equipment replacement plan what you'll see is in fiscal year fifteen what we are proposing are two new pieces of equipment one being a tandem another tandem truck what is different about this proposal than past proposals is that we are not recommending that we treat  two items below that is either the use of the equipment reserve funds to fund that year's expenses or a net transfer to the equipment reserve fund being the difference between what we budget annually and what the expenses are so in fiscal year fifteen we would draw it out draw down thirty six thousand dollars leaving us with a balance in the reserve fund of one hundred eight and you can see as this is planned through we maintain a positive balance we also they would really like to purchase a smaller sized excavator and we currently only have a a loader in the small back hope we don't have an work and you know hit his expenses you know what we spend on that in a year can average between thirty and forty thousand so it's certainly a and with the addition of of having five full time how employees enough for what we had in the past we have actually someone to operate it and that's one of the reasons why in looking forward new highway employees were looking for someone who had who or our budget isn't as unpredictable to exactly exactly just just curiosity and looking at the line of of the tandem throughout the loader because you know ideal replacements fifteen years you're starting to put money aside it looks like in fifty years sixteen yes is that to get prepared for the next loader or that would be that would be planning on the low turnout is it's my understanding that was purchased used as a demo and make you know trying to plow this parking lot or run from here to there or to our small parking lot so that would be the big story for the capital budget for next year in terms of equipment is a new additional tandem now the old the back would have to be stored outside because there's not enough bays for all of you know all those to be inside but that is a problem it's not a real no because if it's in the you know in the winter if it's it would only be a real issue on a traverse some of this stuff would be a bad idea that's right that's exactly right absolutely that's the only like no special license vehicle that we have right the low crow was require something the other individual we are didn't have so i think we've got some good skill sets with the two newer individuals so we would just need am i would recommend that you approve the thing about going to five is in the past we had four full time people we brought i'm essentially two part time right individuals in the winter and sometimes had a third on call person with five dog is pretty confident that that could that would take care of the mood majority of events for a would be nice to have another on call person but if we're not able to find one he's confident that we will still be able to take care of the roads with five hundred people so but we do have a would use a town truck yeah it would be a town employee but there wouldn't be there wouldn't be a regular part time it would be i guess it's sporadic part time just as heated as needed to get paid right it was no benefits or yeah ok we have the a mention jessica asked me to let you know that she received a request for a catering catering permit for some individuals called stewart and emily alexander and that because they might be hall community is going to this one is actually sponsored by the town as opposed to getting a group to do it and pay for the the munchies it's the meet your neighbor and we're play just terrific and you know i mean you never seen rain painted really it's always like sunny hillsides yeah you know but this was a nice because there's a mix of people who are these are beautiful on there but they're all by themselves and it's like out of contact so when you go to a gallery obviously you learn all about the artists right but here you're not you're seeing at no and no local artist she's a wonderful teacher and it's you know it's an extra curricular thing you have to pay in your kid but they develop they develop one piece our every week and so they've got lots of stuff and the way the kids display it is they literally hang it in the hallway in a hallway that gets her no traffic from for that one week they think they put it up as they're leaving with duct tape or masking tape or whatever and they take down the one they put up last week put up a new one and then they go home and the next week they repetition again so it doesn't get a lot of play i wonder if i can get in touch with her you know would be nice for the summer i think you know it you know something since the first go around trying to get the art students from you which are absolutely fabulous but something about the scheduling and trying to get the school in yesteryear ahead of time and then nobody wants to do anything it's really raising i think they would really really enjoy it think the kids with the money it's a great idea yeah well it's obviously an idea that's been tried before and there are logistics that i'm not aware of that make it difficult but i began fortunately but you know and then one of the other  go to that because i know you wanted to go to that and that's probably one of the go to because i'm not going to quite make some of the others committed to other things well i guess for good ye