is your position that i see i hear what you stand on one hand you know somebody could be joking or something i guess about a death threat but you know if your position that it's not a joke at that's a legitimate death threat that that is always heiress much as it is a substantial evidence issue like you know is there is the board's decision here that this was not torture you know it's supported by the evidence or to put it the other carry out the stress and that's alternately i think where the you know the imminent threat of death has to have power behind it and i'm i'm basically arguing that threats they had the most power possible behind it and whether of the board of committed legal error by not following its own regulation or by or substantial evidence there by botching the facts i'm arguing both and i am so out i'll continue to fight if i may  is at the other end of bactrim you please all the way to you want to and they still find him now there's a point about well somebody who said they were law enforcement called him and that's how they got his address and well he's never going to do that again so where do we draw the line there if mister streisand doesn't get a driver's license should he try driver's license government authority enough to give his address and whether or not the cartel has the power and the and the ability to go chase him down in another part of mexico he is credible we know that that happened so i think that issue is conclusive it doesn't matter that he accidentally gave his address to in a government of somebody who said they were a government authority it matters that they have the ability to go and find him and put a gun to his head  attempts to kill him so not only is this just an imminent threat of death it's also an attempted murder and the only reason they didn't kill him is because there were a bunch of government government authorities standing around and i also know that  torture and so what was put to the board was mental pain and suffering and that's what the board analyzed and said this sort of mental pain and suffering wasn't the sort of along with the harm arising from or caused by the threat of imminent involving is his actual contact with the gang apart from being in the bar is actual contact with the gang was in one minute during this motorcycle encounter and mexico city and the events are still wanna which was essentially over before it even started because of the encounter the in the police the board's reference there is what you put to us was your mental pain and suffering while you were present at your brother's death so that's the point that they're making there but i think the larger point that they go on too was dealing with the actual was the immigration judge found that even after respond it was for protection was credible that he was not subject to past torture when the union cartel threatened him with death after murdering his brother and then it was a long since about you know what the cat requires it was over before it started so it's not the sort of her long mental harm and suffering that was arising from the threat of imminent death given the sort of the ration of these particular incident so i think again in responding to the petitions arguments of the ford in terms of mental pain and off and suffering the board saying look with respect to your anguish or pain arising from this these circumstances you weren't present at your brother's murder your president your brother's murder certainly i think of that were a different fact the board might say for several months without incident and the only reason they located him in snow wanna is that he reveals his location soon to the game and the expert could not unequivocally confirm that it has actor says nothing comes to mind i don't i don't have nothing comes to mind with respect of active cells anywhere else in mexico and such certainly the expert says all those other things about infrastructure so  expert says and sort of conclusively fashion they could find him anywhere which is basically what i see here most of the testimony is about what makes sense and the details are voth they would know where he is you know they would this expert says why can't we confirm that there's any active cells outside of mexico city and then to the point about you know well it seems like they would find this person in mexico the board pays for cites to the attorney general's amat pretty attorney general's decision a matter of jail and saying that applicant has not made a spring to sort of demonstrate that link in the hypothetical chain of events would actually exist here and that's a page again for dealing with that hypothetical chain we honor thankfully judge korman cleared up one of my issues that he revealed his address to the gang he did not do that he's not saying i'm here wanna come get me that's just not correct assessment of the facts and i think the court knows that and i think that's part of the whole point is that they had the ability and the i said the beginning and i'll say again now credibility is the critical link here they didn't find incredible but that was erroneous of the board didn't touch it i guess they reserve the right to touch it again and threaten him with a gun on a vice for no reason there's a verbal exchange there pushing the issue stop investigating the death of your brother mention all read of death threat of imminent harm