this media the county council will come to order once again just a reminder if you have a cell phone please turn them on silent and we'll proceed with the roll call of mr clerk good morning good morning chair mike white present mr chair eight members are present one excuse of corum is set to conduct a business of the council thank you mr clerk for opening remarks this morning men i thank you chair fellow council members and members of the public welcome to today's council meeting in the month of may is a time when we should reflect on our commitment to something bigger and greater than what we see right in front of us yesterday was a day when we remembered the people of our communities that gave their lives in service to their country is sacrifice that often times was made not because there was a job to be done or there it was their duty but because they believed that their sacrifice contributed to something greater than themselves sometimes that was their comrades sometimes it was their families or their country sometimes it was the idea that giving their life meant that they could prevent the suffering of someone they never had met whatever the reason they knew the true commitment sometimes means that you have to make enormous sacrifices and to take a leap of faith this month it's also the graduation duty meeting of many high school students in our county each and every graduating student gets a piece of paper that represents not only a key to a continuing education but a reminder that today's hard work and preparation will pay off later we all know education is important because that's what's improves our lives in our community is education the great equalizer but sometimes it's hard to keep focus on what we our coped with or faced with i am here today to ask those graduating this week to take a leap of faith and believe in yourself as you face many challenges in your journey it is this this hope that so many of us choose our path out of fear disguised with practicality what we really want seems impossible out of reach and ridiculously to expect so we never dare to take that leap of faith to believe in ourselves and to have others say that you can't do it i'm here to ask you to move forward and have that take that leap of faith and realize that no one have no one and no entity tell you that you can't do it i learned many great lessons from my father not the least of which was that you can fail at whatever you don't want so you might as well choose to pursue something that you love and that failure is only postponed success don't let anyone and i repeat anyone or any entity tell you you can't do it let that be your own personal decision when i talk about a leaf of faith it's that calmness of believing that things will get better you have a brighter future and it reminds me of when i was in college in one nine hundred ninety eight i watch super bowl thirty two and my my favorite quarterback of all time when i was growing up was john elway and of course the broncos have the orange colors so those were also my campaign colors but john elway proved that perseverance is what it takes and to have that leap of faith that things will eventually have a brighter future and what i mean by that is super bowl thirty two i remember i had some finals that i had to study for so i wasn't able to watch that super bowl game and it was the best game ever because the denver broncos were playing the green bay packers and they had come back on a win it was actually thirty one to twenty four and i had missed the game but surprise but fortunately back in a day we didn't have d v r so we had videos or v h s is and things like that for video so i recorded it and i know that all my friends in my colleagues back then were tell me also you miss a great game with the broncos won the broncos won and i said well just don't tell me what happened in the game but i waited until i got home in the dorms and watched it knowing that we had won i had that peacefulness because i'm a very passionate person when it comes to the denver broncos winning and every time there was an a quarter where the broncos were down and they had fumbled the ball i was completely calm because i knew at the end they were going to win and there was going to be a great comeback there was another interception in the third quarter the broncos were more down although i remained calm knowing that eventually there was going to be a great comeback a bright bright win and when they did when i was just very calm and satisfied so when i talk about leap of faith and you and the graduates come across a struggle or a challenge in their life had that same calmness that in the end in the very end you will win no matter what because you've persevered and you've taken that journey so i can graduate all the graduates in the county and i hope that much success thank you a click please proceed mr chair proceeding with ceremonial resolution you have before you a proposed resolution entitled congratulating the falcon entertainment and engineering technology club of mali we're in an intermediate school for earning top honors at the twelfth annual student television network convention by stray grossman thank you chair i move it the proposed resolution congratulating the falcon entertainment engineering technology club on chair it is with great pride that we honor the falcon entertainment and engineering technology club of molly why an effort earning top honors at the twelfth annual student television network convention and bring pride to our  on entertainment and engineering technology club of mali we're in an intermediate school for earning top honors at the twelfth annual student television network convention whereas the fell can entertainment in engineering technology club of mali  intermediate school in cali earned top honors at the twelfth annual student television network national convention in san diego california april one through four twenty fifteen and whereas the team brianna to gucci alexis villarreal and hartford right and whereas the student television network national convention is a racket recognized as the largest student video contrasts in the nation with awards presented in recognition of excellence honoring the skills and talents of broadcast and film students and whereas my we were in a technology club joined more than twenty seven hundred middle and high school students from one hundred sixty three schools nationwide for education networking with fellow students in industry professionals and competitive video creations and whereas in a technology club earned three first place awards in the categories of middle school short film public service announcement and movie trailer respectively a third place award and two honorable mentions at the student television network school's model soaring to excellence and whereas the dedication commitment in team spirit of the fell can entertainment in engineering technology of mali were in intermediate school have bought pride and top honors at the twelfth annual student television network national convention and to that certified copies of this resolution be transmitted to jennifer suki molly were in a technology club teacher john  yoshi superintendent hawaii state department of education nancy held locus chief executive officer student television network and a student members of the ma we were in a intermediate school falcon entertainment an engineering accomplishment shows to our county and to our state that our our youth here in maui are very advanced and they're on the road to a new resources and technology i know that this team has worked very diligently and had worked hard during the year to accomplish such a goal and i have to very much praise them for all of their other accomplishments as well as their parents and that the teachers and advisers that have had supported the students so again i congratulate congratulate the team and and the the student body as a halt in supporting the team thank you chair thank you members of the mr coach thank you mr chair  and i want to congratulate the folks to the kids who have done a tremendous job i know part of my other background and the reason i'm here is video and television so i know how tough it is to do what they were doing and to get the best in the country or is is just a really good honor so congratulations and a instructors and parents who make it all possible you know without them this would not be accomplished and also all the fundraisers that need to comp so that you can travel with these kinds of competition so i want to congratulate all parties and of the motion please signify by saying i was opposed say no as your passes eight eyes zero nose with one excused member bisaya and before we bring the kids down for recognition march twenty fourth two thousand and fifteen twenty four students from maui one intermediate school began their journey to student television networks annual convention held this year it's an diego california the students were excited about seeing the zoo and playing the snow but this year the students decided that they wanted to do something a little different we went to twenty four t we actually shot video of the church of nazareth and what the video was about was college students from around the country came to the church of and built caskets for infants when we were in the car and went up to mrs e i was like we should do community service next year so we can give back and that's exactly what the students did when they arrived in san diego today they've been working on a hillside helping us clean up our australian garden here that's been in the park for over forty five years but it's sort of fallen on hard times the group works for nearly six hours and third about half an favorite movie i'm so proud of their accomplishments at the contests but i'm really more proud of the people they're becoming you know it's our goal in our program to have them be better thinkers better communicators but most of all just better people and  integrating this community service into our projects and into our trips i think it's going to become habit for them and it's going to help them to do this throughout their life and will definitely be doing it next year now let's go wait please we can wait for the next one we only need one more dollar no way that and but unexpected and unrehearsed sorry i guess i should say thank you to the council members who thought this was important enough to honor and thank you to all my amazing students for working so hard and to my amazing vice principal for taking her time often come here and to everybody else thank you mr chair for the record resolution fifteen dash fifty three mr chair proceeding with presentation of testimony on agenda items we've established limited telephone interactive communication that enable individuals from honolulu to provide testimony from our district offices individuals who wish to offer testimony from honolulu and morlock i should now sign up at the district off with the district office staff individuals who wish to offer testimony in the chamber please sign up at the desk located on the eighth floor lobby just outside the chamber door testimony on all locations is limited to the items listed on today's agenda and pursuant to the rules of the council each testifier is allowed to testify for up to three minutes with one minute to conclude if we quote if requested when testifying please state your name and the name of any organization you to be followed by floor good morning everybody thank you for the enemy be here i'm grateful i was really encouraged by the kids and happy day after memorial day for those who served and died for a  pursued and that we can take that leap in faith and that's what i've done and that's why i'm here today and i'm grateful to god for that i just want to say that i i pretty much am against this increase it would almost be like one of you going and registering your car for like four hundred bucks in a year later go back and it cost you twenty four hundred dollars when you go through that long line it's a really an impact to go from five hundred dollars a month i mean for a year increase to three thousand dollars i feel it to be heinous  i am under regulations restrictions guidelines microscopes we have business operators thank you for your attention we have business operators that do not have licenses that are imposing on our businesses and they are not being regulated and there is no regulation whatsoever the park county ranger comes down to talk to me i said what's going on oprah and the can do anything about this well then who's going to do something about it i have in my hands a proposition from the small business regulatory review board which would like to see you guys i leave it with you defer this i am not asking for deferral i believe increases are necessary i also believe that it's it would be ok if there is space available cording to pour a permits and reviews that have been done that you allow other people to operate an increase of one hundred percent to maybe a thousand dollars a year while we talk about it in find out what's going to happen next year gives us like those kids a mall you wind up a chance to continue in business there were four hundred permits three hundred were taken away it's not because this is a hot commodity this is hard next week i have to answer to unemployment i have to make sure all of my certificates in place i'm doing everything that i'm supposed to do that you've described i want to know where you justify a six hundred percent increase recently questions such as if you could hold on a second just please i was joking about the broncos better luck next year can you identify yourself please yes mr college you've been to my surf school you've been with me before you got to watch followed by deborah green i like to speak to bill number fifteen dash one thirty seven it's the proposed increase on commercial ocean recreation activity permit the i believe you heard some other testifiers already speak today of them are standing behind me the small business regulatory review board i understand has sent a letter that you should have received it was stated on may twenty first two thousand and fifteen i'd like to just read one section is a quote from this upon review at its may twentieth two thousand and fifteen board meeting the s b r r b members unanimously agreed to require a stay at the county of maui city county council members defer any action on the proposed increase in core permit fees until communication between the stakeholders businesses the public and all those affected by the increase is conducted for discussion in feedback this is a necessary step so that all will know the purpose of the increase and its expected outcome ice testified earlier that i had was an advocate of a deferral and you heard rick leone talk that a permit fee of an increase of a thousand dollars for the first permit and possible continued fifty five hundred dollars fee for subsequent permits was acceptable to him that's still one hundred percent increase in the fees structure i think in most terms of most business is i believe you heard representatives from the chamber of commerce speak that most businesses cannot afford one hundred percent increase in their fee structures we ask that you or i ask that you reconsider this and come up with a number that's much more palatable and really more economically viable for the businesses you've heard testifiers show that there is no hoarding of permits that in fact there are permits available if the county should choose to issue those  based on the charts that miska dia's showed you so in response to these fee increases please defer this until we've had a chance to discuss it further i know with all of your busy schedules between the holiday and everyone being  island during the week before this meeting it was difficult for any of us to reach you and likewise for any of you to reach us so we'd open the door to extend the opportunity for us to discuss it further and a deferral would give us that opportunity thank you for your time charlene mansfield is my name and i am a teacher at the college i'm semi retired but i'm here today to talk to you as a senior citizen and as a student if you took a ride on the bus and talk to the people who ride the bus on a regular basis as i do you would find that many of us are hard pressed to me financial obligations and really need a rollback in these rates an increase from twenty five dollars to sixty is increase and we would ask that you would roll back those prices to something more tolerable it may be who you to take a bus ride and talk to some of us because many of us do not have cars  it is difficult for us to go places without the bus transportation so i would just really appreciate your listening to us thank you thank you miss mansfield members any questions  thank you for being here this morning to clear helen borrow testifying on county communication number fifty one thirty six helen borrow education's office of school facilities and support services and i'm here today in support of just communication the item fifteen fifty for the three bills for the high school for the district boundary amendment community plan amendment david moore tyrone spellman and mr spelman to be followed n how it was being proposed to him one that i use the bus every day i am a senior so there was no again a rather low income was considered being a senior sustainability and it's there's not a fog word i take it as being a principle and being we all want to sustain a life that is this is more valuable to just putting out of pocket and and you have people that are waiting in line to go to la into a bus that only runs every hour where there should be a bus this running every half hour and drivers had to bypass people that are on their way to once you know seven thirty's to early because they're right is that we like to work late at their jobs but they have to leave early you know for the mere fact that they have to touch the bus and when services go out  at all i really feel that there needs to be a an internal strategy for aligning with outside organizations to end this in more detail george rainey testifying on committee report fifteen dash fifty three will be followed by terry rainy morning morning chair and coun america so what i'm about to say here i'm sure everyone is familiar with especially if you have worked or a company without within those fifty years i worked throughout the united states in non profits and for the state for the not for the government but for four  fortune five hundred companies and throughout those i have learned and i'm sure you will agree with me about this word i'm about to say reasonableness reasonable in terms of budgeting i've heard quite a few people here talk about a six hundred percent increase even one hundred percent increase that is not a reasonable and all of us here kno that that is and so now i heard the young man who spoke just before me he mentioned the word why why are the increases why are they going to be increases why we'd like to know why he even ten percent here's why tell us why first so i pose that question to you perhaps someone here can answer that perhaps this is not the forum for it but that's my question can that be answered here this is your time but as you know you're feeling ok well to that and i i'd like to just lay that out there and again thank you very much for this open open hearing or some such and we look forward to working with you especially the community and i'm here on behalf of not only the seniors but also students and anyone who takes that bus especially on a daily basis thank you mr rayney members any need for just let me be clarified mr chair and you know one i'm terry rainey i'm just one of the community seniors but i go farther than that i've got this big heart and i care about all the people that i meet every day and see when i was in the ninth grade i met dr king the late martin luther king jr and he put so much compassion into me and so much love for people that it just came that way so when i speak today about the bus fare increases i'm speaking for the community i thought that farm it said i could have said my south and the others and community so i'm speaking the truth from what i've heard from people that i've spoken to on the bus and what i've seen i've seen people that need other people aides or students or another senior pushed them on the bus some have limbs and some don't i've seen the blind i've seen the homeless and the hungry i've seen a group of students take those buses and they're coming from key hay all the way to town to catch another bus to go somewhere else so the bus this done works beautifully except for that price increase as a senior and paying twenty five dollars and we sat on the bus couple weeks ago and we saw the notice in front of us then we saw how it was broken down but we couldn't see where the seniors fit so we were talking george and i and i saw sixty dollars riders just students disabled all riders granted the visitors come with a lot of money they can pay or they don't know any better we observed that two dollar increase for the day passes you know from two to four dollars no problem people grumbled but they did it but they can't dig in their pockets and find sixty dollars those people on medicaid by the way i missed many maybe twenty fifteen and i represent medicare and medicaid and you know medicaid is for people with special needs so we have special needs we don't mind helping and the budget and to succeed in our beautiful mao he probably just ask for consideration and some compassion and thank you for pushing it back but before you look to do it make it higher can you just get on a bus and ride with us you'll see you'll feel it won't be lasting and you may not even want to increase and like the lady before you know times are tough and you don't necessarily have to be you don't have to necessarily i guess be one check away i see the bus system as being the great equalizer it's an opportunity for people to access for freedom for independence my lady and i write it she she writes to work i write to work we write here and there once in a while going to sucky a west and we love the bus and we if we didn't have the bus we'd really be without our independence you know and so i think the increase i find it difficult to believe really that privatized robert's company  and this very powerful very able county cannot come up with a better solution than deferring the costs on those that are sociopathic economically disadvantaged ok i think i mean i'm not a smart guy but if you look at other more successful bus systems i think you'll see that the bus systems or are successful when they are communicating with the writer ship continually and they are asking like you do in a market economy the customer or the writer how can we have and from that point they draw on solutions you know maybe that's why folks are asking you know the council members who are very busy and i know it's a huge responsibility for you guys to ride the bus but somehow we've got to have a better communication i don't know if there is some sort of an advocacy position that could be created within the council  held back on that and tabled it because i've been talking to a lot of writers and they're all really they're concerned you know they're concerned in the ability to get around i mean going to the hospital going to just going out to be independent please consider that it's more than just a bus it's a person's independence you know thank you fifty one thirty six to be followed by clarke johnson i'm here on behalf of aloha independent living hawaii we hope people with disabilities achieve greater independence and much to what the gentleman before me just said i'd like to echo  about independence this proposed fare hike which i understand has been tabled for the meantime would very much cut into a large portion of the county's residents independen and believe that it should not go forward i feel that there are many reasons besides the fact that it will decrease everyone's independence but also decrease your own pockets as this will decrease commerce if you want your residents actually providing and working and giving back to the community that they live in you would allow them greater independence including more comprehensive transit system without the additional burden of a higher cost which many of the people that we are referring to and a lot of the testimony that has happened prior to myself getting up here has stated a lot of people afford the current rates much less of such a substance increase so i'd like to reiterate and say that this is something that will further demean your workforce it will with and i'd like to thank you for your time i dish only i'd like to say i thank you very much for starting off the day by thanking the veterans have had families members that have served and i continue to have friends that testifier is clark johnson testifying linn county communication fifteen dash one thirty six to be followed by dustin tester good morning a law  chairman and we're also members my name is chip clark johnson today you heard the testimony of many people who would be impacted by the bus fare restructuring increases proposal reduce the chip plan the chip plan would basically our proposal is twenty five dollars for the reduced fare which i believe people have been given the council daily pass two dollars single ride would be three dollars the general order would still be fifty dollars fifteen dollars five and three to qualify for the reduced here category you could be a senior for state id or driver's license fifty five plus like it currently has a student with a student id or disabled medicare card or acidification as per currently done i'm really concerned about what this in proposal would was going to do my concern also is about the riders that would be impacted i'm requesting that you guys that you people roll back the prices to my proposal because it is really costly expensive fixed incomes to afford these prices thank you very much  dollars so general fair and then the low income fair you had to prove yourself for a reduced price what kind of bureaucracy would be involved in having the  hi good afternoon thanks for taking the time to listen on the members of the house members feeling a little under the water so i'm going to read my testimony and then hopefully speak candidly about this issue and so my name is dustin tusker i'm to testify on behalf of mauser for girls and the corps operators i've been a core a permit holder for fifteen years and i'm pretty shocked at the dramatic proposed six hundred percent increase in our fee is it realistic to expect the parks will increase our services by six hundred percent at my park has no running water no showers and rare park ranger presence to regulate illegal operators my customer my customers have even  refused to use the porta potties that aren't regularly manned maintained even safety concerns that could result in a lawsuit from my business and the county have gone unaddressed for two years a broken pipe at the shoreline where we launch our students hasn't been removed after i've left several voice mails and emailed photos of the safety hazard oklahoma is one of the windiest parks to conduct surf lessons in the county and for years i've requested an alternative beach park that is safer on high days obviously i've been denied the alternate park with all this said if i'm going to pay such a high fee increase can expect the services that my business deserves running water clean bathrooms and an alternative part to conduct my business safely so i can pay for the permit and provide safe and quality service lessons to my customers so from day one i feel like sort of schools have this evil s and my business my mission of my business is to empower girls through the sport of surfing through my camps and i've you know scholarship boys and girls club kids to our programs we provide safe surf lessons for our small groups that are sort of school and i just don't think it's fair to kind of lump us into this category that we're you know evil when we're trying to provide a really good service and even this morning i got an email from a student that said your service school saved my life and i read further and i was like pretty shocked at this e mail and she said that after a surf lesson last august she had breast pain and she thought was from the pot only when she got back to the mainland she found out that she had breast cancer so as an early detection because of our surf lesson so i got thirty seconds left so i'm just trying to say that you know we aren't evil and we are providing excellent service and if you increase our rate to six hundred percent more you know i just really impacts my small business on a small sort of school and this i mean whatever part we would love like a less windier park would be you know the cove or the brake well you know the break was crazy in the cove is really crazy and you know kind of our allure of our surf schools to get away from the crowd so it's safer and a better experience for our customers so i mean if if this study that was supposed to be conducted at all the beach parks like pool mana to reconsider maybe put on a has one more service school just one or two serve schools something really limited so that a small school like mine could thrive at a smaller beach park and i mean that's off the table i think it's not even being considered as a park for me but i would love that park ok well thank you very much free and put the i think you  for next justifier is cecilia potts testifying one committee report fifteen dash fifty three to be followed by joseph good morning chair white council members on the half of the maui bicycling league thank you for your attention to the importance of bicycle and pedestrian related infrastructure and facilities included in the first rating of fiscal year twenty fifteen twenty sixteen budget many of the maui bicycling li members of submitted and gave testimony at the various island wide budget meetings in april if approved without revisions this budget is a huge step forward to making our island a more safe and friendly place for cyclists and pedestrians alike among the many budget improvements we are pleased to see funds for the planning stages of the projects members any clarification again this time testifying as president was small improvement foundation and i was on these three bills for the second and final reading i applaud you i'm so excited that this is on the agenda today i've been looking forward to this for many years seventeen years yesterday seventeen years when working on this is a something that has been a very passionate ject of of mine as friends many of my friends are no longer with us who otherwise could have been with us had we had emergency access to medical care on west mali yesterday was memorial day one of the gentleman who i wanted to i came here specifically for to honor him and to have him somehow his name mentioned in the record a james riske in the third who was the president of kind of poly development corporation who we convinced nearly seventeen years ago proximity seventeen years ago to put the land not being complimented by his employers for supporting our request and there was a lot of adversity he had to go through and spite of that he stood firm and insisted that that be done and their word not for that which stimulated the whole reasonable this of going forward with the idea to have a west my hospital which was financially impossible and either way at that time we're not even been in the discussion so i want to com his memory because he's no longer with us he was in his forty's and it's a over two and a half hours for him after nine one one before he got to maui memorial and he was brain dead before he got there but his life is committed to us i mean  his memory is a dear friend of mine and a supporter to this whole venture none of us would be talking about this would not be on the agenda were not for that man and i want to just honor him his memory for that and i want to thank you for this day and for your always having your outstanding continued outstanding support from the council thank you very much thank you mr pluta any clarification needed members say none thank you for being here this morning employ i can probably absorb the cost of the bust increase but my biggest question because i read about some key hay is ninety percent of the people that ride the bus are going to or coming from work they've already had increases in their parking fees that shop so i lay it to three dollars a half an hour for parking which is exorbitant people ride the bus can't afford the increase but beyond that on a common  level i don't i can't comprehend how the increase could go up to sixty dollars for everybody riding the bus with the exception of people who are low income being able to get a discount when there's no level of bureaucracy already created to identify who is low income and who's not i could possibly show that i'm low income last year but that doesn't mean i'm low income this year it varies people's lives very you know some people need to ride the bus for a few weeks i ride it often enough that i can justify twenty five dollars a month you know and go where i need to go but sixty dollars a month and then i end up not needing to ride it as often it just it just doesn't make any sense the system we have right now addresses seniors you can prove that you are a senior with your state id or your driver's  m i've not heard this mentioned or addressed if there is some reason for the increase i hope that that would reflect in more stops here we have not stopped the public library people walk two and a half blocks this is ok for me i'm young and i'm healthy but for somebody who is in a wheelchair a senior or we've got inclement weather this is not an option you know that's a public facility and i guess the other part of the increase affects me is you don't having lived here on maui for thirteen years i'm very affected by the culture here and respect for kapono respect for the elders is so important so prevalent in every aspect of our lives here you know and to have something thrown at everybody with no discussion that disables people to continue being a part of the community in the way that  is is so valuable to everybody i just i don't know where the answers are going to come from you know so anyway that's enough said but and that's recant plan you know people that are using  were under the impression that it's a test for all of county all of maui to find out if it works it works you know the garbage rate was throwaway you know increased you know about twenty to thirty percent of what it was and then we're told that we have to pay for the service and that it's going to cost just thirty dollars a month i'm in a rental so i can't control whether or not you know my landlord you know approves  and the question i still have is is the planets proposed right now at six dollars a month which is seemingly acceptable is actually going to cover everybody that's living in this  the consul today regarding the corps a permit fee and i am opposed to the suggested increases an increase of one hundred fifty percent for these park permits are greatly hurt my family's business that has been operational for over twenty years what scares me the most is that currently the smallest proposed fee is a one hundred fifty percent increase and the largest proposed is up to six hundred percent increase however with the demanding cost of living in a world that is seeming surrounded by corporate competitors these fees might even go higher to the point where we are the next generation of our hawaiian style service business we have to stop and find jobs elsewhere growing up in our our hawaiian islands we are surrounded by beautiful oceans and majestic mt instead we have been providing us food and shelter for our families for generations but the main point is that it's been with little to no cost we consider this a privilege but it should not be a burden so my proposal is that a smaller increase be administered and over a period of time be increased to a reasonable amount and by doing this you will ensure job security not just now but in the future family unity and we'll call you in our communities again my name is you said you were testifying on fifteen dash one thirty seven s or so you're opposed to the even though the one the fifteen hundred s are ok thank you but you scored next testif i'm adjusting the council today regarding the kora permit fee and i am opposed to the suggested increase this year is important to me because it has negative effects on my livelihood as well as my entire family to put this into perspective or use an illustration that i'm sure all of us can relate to average gas prices right now around three dollars and seventeen cents if we were to pull up to our gas station tomorrow and the price is now seven dollars and ninety three cents that would be really hard to deal with i don't know about you guys but i would be have to i would have to buy a bike i would not be able to drive this is a one hundred fifty percent increase this is the lowest of the increases that were suggested so we don't have another option i can't go buy a bike when it comes to my business if i can't afford to buy a permit we cannot continue business so that's one reason i'm opposed also it's important because i believe that small family run businesses like my own are the backbone to our community that suggest that increases if they are passed would have some major negative effects on my family as a community i believe that we want to see improvements to our parks and beaches but we wouldn't expect all of these improvements to be done in just one day similarly please don't expect this all of this money to be given all at once please give us increases that are gradual and reasonable and doing so that you would show your support of small family operated businesses like my own we are not asking you to cater your decisions to us but we would appreciate if you consider us and the facts of the decision you make and how it how it would play out with individual in the council chamber or in your district offices would like to offer testimony please identify yourself to the appropriate staff and proceed to the testimony lectern or district office phone at this time  office are there any additional testif office are there any additional testif an afternoon everybody i'm not sure what happened to that form i know i filled it out maybe it's somewhere among the other eighty you know to back there this is been and one of the heftiest collections that i have gone through over the years that i've been testifying and i'm here today particularly for fifteen fifty two committee report and fifteen fifty three both of them having to do with water i  volunteer in the community dealt with some of this back when the upcountry water was diagnosed as contaminated and we went through three had kept a sense of applications for that water before we finally got it safe to to have it be safe enough so when i look in here on fifteen fifty two and it's talking about expanding infrastructure for the county so and waste water collection system that's water that's already been through one of it's life spans and we can make that have other lives so we need to do it and do it well it also speaks here about debt service we keep borrowing money and then it costs us to be able to pay back on that money and one set of the papers that i went through yesterday has paid just forty four and forty five and i was only half way through it when i came across these but this is the debt service for the water fund five million seven hundred sixty one dollars three hundred and sixty eight dollars going into the cost for satisfying those debts that's the money doesn't do anything for the health of the water and for the people who are in the water this is only part of a solution and it's something that the first federal judge has for the state of hawaii in the state of hawaii for  federal water that is said now he has brought this upon its own it fails to deal with forty four years ago the accumulated since then problems from not dealing appropriately with the clean air water acts we need to do better so expensive but not cleaning up the problem when we deal with that so the other one that i wanted to speak to today is for i don't  fifteen fifty three several things in there we have to watch out for and there's been testimony given by folks here the wording in this keep saying not to exceed whatever the amount they were going to be dealing with in their money wise and yet we've just been through this step up on the west side where we went from two hundred fifty thousand dollars for additional attorneys to defend us from the absence of with the federal clean air and clean water act and now it's up to a million seven hundred fifty thousand for those attorneys fees from when i last i heard so i know it's gone at least that high and when we talk in here about lapsed bonds in fifteen fifty three if there isn't careful planning on saying how much we need when we apply for these revolving funds we're going to end up either short or having money left over and if the money is left over and is not applied again for the well being of the community who stood to gain on that that question keeps coming to me from people in the community would in the money go and when we d a safe drinking water fund address years ago that was in the early two thousand and six when we were dealing with that we kept asking about the expenditure of the half million dollars that we got and it was the county who did the financial monitoring on that and we never got the extent of answers that we did keep asking where was the rest of that money i must say in terms of complements the budget and finance committee has worked very hard to get us to where we were on this date today twenty six meetings i counted that you folks had dealt pretty much twenty four hours it seems to me say going through that to make sure that there are all stones overturned so whatever might be things that were overlooked in the past have an opportunity through the dedication of the folks that work with that so thank you very much for that also i went over the use of wells keeping in mind that we have privately owned wells as well as the county own dwells so our water department has some responsibility to see how effectively that's going and thank you for not having poco wells in use right now thank you again such a good thoughts to end with and lots of other stuff that still needs to be done thank my name is alan kit is and i'd just like to testify on one thirty seven and i know there's going to be discussion later about the value of korra and the value of what it means for us to invest in eagar s the parks i think there might be some thinking that the fee should be high because we use the parks well our permit is strictly to in grassy grass the park to get to the water we have thirty minutes to set up and get in but to the value that of the service we provide i want to use an example of a hiking company here in maui i think they're pretty successful they have a lot of vans they take hikers out into the wilderness and i thought wow without them how many hikers would get lost how much fun it would be trampled how many times with a rescue helicopter have to go rescue people because they didn't know better about flash floods you know how many tourists would of the e m i ditches how many people would wash out to i mean how many people would get rescued you know understand a paddleboard how many kayakers would get blown out to sea how many surfers that  don't know about the offshore winds that come up suddenly how many more lifeguards with the county have to hire to cover what we already do at no charge to the county i think there's ten towers and twenty lifeguards or two towers to life guards at each tower you know the beaches that were out having a life guards and i've rescued countless people you know long before the lifeguards were there i pulled in a lot of people and i had people tell me fortunate enough to be surrounded by most of the party of fire station they're all surfers and buddies of mine and they drug me and they were very professional i'm standing here today because of them and i just want you to know that we're out there pull in not just for our customers but for everybody and for the environment you know who's going to be stuart's of the reef who's going to stop the divers and snorkelers from taking just one souvenir i mean if everybody did that we wouldn't have a resource so when you when you say you know we are an asset and we should be treated like that that's all thank you i'll be quick it just took me a couple weeks to get up the courage to come talk in front of people so thank you for your attention chair and council members my name is rachel domingo i represent now a dreams dive company a business we opened here in one thousand nine hundred nine we employ about ten to fifteen people just depending on the time of year just a couple general points i want to make six hundred percent oh my gosh that that type of increase would be devastating to our business it would result immediately and directly and layoffs to our beloved employees there's no other way to say it were just small businesses are always like families that affects everybody it just creates a ripple effect in the community the better small businesses do the better we all do we pay higher taxes you know everything just comes around aside from sharing our love of the ocean with residents and visitors alike we're also the county's first line of defense and at the beach parks we're at i know other people have said this but it's so true  one of our instructors two years ago administered c p r an emergency oxygen to a snorkeler at hulu a beach unfortunately i don't think the person made it but we were there with the supplies in the training to do it and and the initiative and the know how and the willingness so we also know ocean conditions unfortunately for the last few days our business being scuba we've been telling people to stay out of the water and just kind of saying no to everybody who walks into our shop but that's because we know the dangerous surf conditions and low visibility and what comes with that buying up permits there's no such thing i just wanted to address that because i've heard it in some of the meetings and testimony previously as the park department changed the rules one permit morphed into multiple permits giving the impression to some people that we all the sudden accumulated a bunch of permits when really we had the same permits we always had it just went from the numbers looked like they changed but it was the same thing as an earlier testifier said we go through the permit process every year we sign indemnification agreements to protect the county we name we name them on our insurance policies the permit process requires that we have tamed state and federal tax clearances submit safety plans maintain c p r and first  certifications and more i mean we're we're into this we're we're responsible citizens were invested we're not fly by night people care we know there are other people out there who want to obtain permits and for fulfill their dreams to start small businesses we want that for them too that's how we got here want to make sure council members are aware that the parks department could in fact issue permits right now there are permits and beach parks available that's definitely a way to up the end come these are opportunities that should be considered in conclusion thank you for your time and attention i'd like to remind you the core operators are not opposed to a fee increase it just needs to be one that's chair there's no other individuals in the district offices or they change their wishes who wishes to provide testimony thank you mr clarke i know we've received some testimony so members of jackson will  return to continue this meeting in at two fifteen so until then we are in recess council come back to order members we will proceed with the remainder of our agenda and mr clerk will you please proceed mr chair proceeding with minutes you have before you march twentieth two thousand and fifteen and the regular meeting of april seventh two thousand and fifty second motion by bicester grossman in a second by member couch no further discussion thank you any other discussion on the minutes members see none of those in favor of the motion please signify by saying i was opposed say no measure passes seven eyes zero nose and two excused members  kirk mr chair proceeding with committee reports you have before you from your budget and finance committee committee report fifteen fifty recommending the following one that the bill as revised and titled a bill for new ordinance amending appendix a of the of the fiscal year two thousand and fifteen budget for the county of mali as it pertains to part two special purpose revenue schedule of revolving special funds for fiscal year tw reviewed the requests that was sent by america or regarding the use of the economic development revolving fund this afternoon your committee is recommending adoption of  of the all or nothing type of consideration that it had to deal with regarding the four different types of requests for different companies these would be more of a grant so this is funds will be outgoing and should this pass it would just leave our some really one hundred and thirty thousand left remaining in the fund thank you them part of it a group of people a commission to handle this like it's done in other municipalities or counties and and appears to be a very effective way to handle a situation like this i have no concerns over the actual amount we're giving and what we what we're investing into our economy because i think it's going to bring back many fold so i'm i'm in full support of this but we do it so thank you thank you any further comments members see none of those in favor placing a five by saying i was opposed say no measure passes seven eyes zero nose that the bill as revised and titled a bill for an ordinance amending appendix of the fiscal year two thousand and fifteen budget for the county of mali as it pertains to part two special purpose revenues schedule of revolving special time to get their business plan in order and they get in as we see in yesterday's paper the president has his challenges with a changing environment regarding the airline seat capacity to and from so we look hopeful that they'll be able to come up with a viable business plan in the near future thank you any further discussion now i await what the ceiling people with mr jones actual plans will be so that it can be beneficial to serve our community you know perhaps i l and different sort of academics as well as eclectic programmes so hopefully he can come up with the assessment of how he will be able to sustain his  you committee report fifteen dash fifty two recommending the following one that the bill as revised entitled a bill for new ordinance to establish a county wide sewer capital improvement reserve fund be passed on first against projects that we are going to need to do in the near future your committee express concerns of not having the believe if having those federal matching dollars in the future we are seeing how congress is reauthorization of surface transportation currently there is no money in transit for bus replacements in disconcerted aeration that is currently before congress i do not anticipate to have them provide eighty percent of the funding we need to maintain improve and expand our sewer systems and therefore on the public a law congress has passed it where the users shall pay for those improvements and this county is just preparing itself for a financial impact that will take years to prepare for but this would be a first step in assuring that we are french and able to respond when the time arises thank you any of more discussion mr chair you have before you cannae communication number fifteen dash one thirty five from the budget and finance committee chair transmitting the following one a proposed resolution entitled adopting  motor vehicle weight tax government for council to take action and have this before it today i would make a motion to waive council rules requiring committee referral and recommendation regarding from county communication in fifteen two thousand and sixteen budget documents any further discussion members on the fuel rates fuel tax rates see none all those in favor please signify by saying i those opposed say no measure passes eight eyes zero nose and one excused mr chairman i move that a bill for an ordinance amending section three point two four point zero three zero my wee county code relating intergovernmental agreements for loans from the state of hawaii water pollution control revolving fine and various waste water projects fiscal year two thousand and sixteen budget ordinance be passed in first reading and be awarded to print to that a facility replacement local community plan area fiscal year two thousand and sixteen budget ordinance the past and first reading and be awarded to print three that the bill is revised entitled the bill for an ordinance issuance of twenty four million seven hundred eighty two thousand three hundred seventy two dollars aggregate principal amount of general obligation bonds of the county of mali for the purpose of providing funds to pay all or part of the costs of appropriations for public improvements of and for the county of molly fixing to form the nominations and certain other features of such bonds and providing for their sale authorizing the director of finance to determine certain details of the bonds authorizing the issuance and sale or the like principal bonds of general obligation bond anticipation notes in intice a patient of the issuance and sale of such bonds and providing for other actions relating to the issuance sale in delivery of said bonds be passed in first reading and be awarded to print for that the bill as revised entitled the bill for an ordinance determining that part of the proceeds of general obligations bonds of the county of here too for issued is an axis of the amounts required for the purposes of which such bonds were initially issued or mail should not be applied to those purposes and directing such proceeds to other public improvements or authorized purposes of the county of the passing first reading and be awarded to print five that the bill is revised entitled a bill for an ordinance relating to the capital program for the fiscal year ending june thirty twenty sixteen be passed in first reading and be awarded to print six that the bill as revised in title a bill for an ordinance relating to the operating budget for the county of ma for the fiscal year july first twenty fifteen to june thirtieth twenty sixteen the paston first reading and be awarded to print seven that the matter relating to the reporting of unpermitted building improvements be referred to your budget  finance committee that the matter relating to penalties of violations yes if amy and my apologies to mr clerk i would like to take this in multiple motions  so if you would i would like to make a motion for the first five i don't so the clerk writ and then take the second motion for the number six and the referrals objections members jordan thank you and my apologies again to mr kirk but this way we can address the concerns that we've received a lot of testimony communications on which is of course the adjustments to the bus transit fare component that would be part of a second motion mr chairman so at this time i'd like to make a motion for the following the first five items of the clerk writ which would be the bill for authorize the mayor to enter into intergovernmental agreement stu finance waste water projects from the state of oil water pollution control revolving fund loans which is number sixteen heat pump a point five million dollars to first reading of a bill to authorize the mayor to enter into an intergovernmental agreement to fray nancy a water treatment facility replacement project from the state of hawaii drinking water treatment revolving alone fine not to exceed fifteen million dollars third first reading of a bill to authorize the insurer issuance of twenty four point seven eight two three seven two million chairman thank you first i want to say mr chairman that i appreciate the hard work of the committee members i want to thank the committee staff we spent a lot more hours than the members after sessions to ensure they were updated were balanced and were able to continue and complete the work of the committees responsibilities i like to  as the budget director for his assistance to the committee providing us with timely responses and his ability to get the department's be able to provide us with updated information prior to final decision making and as well as mr wong and his staff for allowing us to ensure the legislation is appropriate and pass legal standing so mr chairman as we all know america if you send it to us a budget slate under seven hundred million dollars for the fiscal year two thousand and sixteen on march twenty fourth two thousand and fifteen your committee extensively reviewed the proposed budget from march thirty first two thousand and fifteen through april twenty fourth two thousand and fifteen become eighty began decision making on april twenty seventh and we completed our task on may fourth the need to pay for required services and provide for a growing community and i just say to help not hinder the county ohio your committee travel to eight residency areas to receive public testimony on the budget in addition four hundred sixty one responses to comedian servian spending priorities were also received have been listened to the public your committee appropriated monies from the off recommended it one point two million dollars be appropriate to eradicate cookie frog your committee also continued funding for the containment and remove all of my cornea and for additional watershed protection fiscal year two thousand and sixteen budget by seventy nine million dollars or eleven point three percent operations reduced by thirteen point five million and capital improvement projects were reduced by sixty five point seven million dollars were dues by sixty five million dollars or approximately fifty two percent your committee's proposal for fiscal year two thousand and sixteen become eighty her committed appropriations to two capital improvement reserve funds one hundred sixty eight thousand five sixty seven dollars to the county white sewer capital improvement reserve fund and five million for the upcountry water system expression capital improvement reserve fund a significant change to the physical your two thousand and sixteen budget mr chairman is the new restriction to a b and c accounts committee feels that  enhance fiscal discipline and increase public transparency and accountability your committee recommended revisions to section seven of the general budget provisions to restrict disbursements for each program by category of  category for salaries premium pay or reallocation pay be category for operations or services and c category for equipment this again your committee feels will provide further fiscal discipline and as well as the public's need for increased transparency and accountability so to find that real property tax revenues were lower than the revenues estimates in the mayor's proposed budget by five million dollars all real property tax rates reduced to partially offset the increase in net taxable property improvement opportunities in an effort to make way home in a simple golf course self supporting and to increase revenues your committee is recommending increased fees for all categories and establishing a twilight one hole and week this to emirates for the mix of call for see delays in our facilities become a has recommended real property tax division compliance specialists with the potential to generate a park similarly five million dollars to increase in force meant improvement projects your committee supported they yell water treatment facility replacement county parks system improvements through online districts serve modifications and rehabilitation road resurfacing and pavement preservation and well as numerous specified road improvements committee expressed concern over the number of special purpose revenue funds a stablished committee recommended each of the special purpose revenue funds be one thing that you know we did at the beginning of the budget deliberations for the committee and i bring this up is a given i highlight for our community the report that we made which was the two thousand and sixteen budget revenues versus poor this county really is where financially stable or able to pay our bills but like anything else mr chairman i thought you know i believe we have appropriate questions but only on what we have provided funding support for i can tell you in you know i think we're doing a rethink this week i get a lot of questions when i go home a lot of questions when i leave there is no programs to fund and provide in the future because who's going to pay for it who is going to pay for  cut the tax interest on mortgage payments for homeowners that's on the table that we not be i believe it for us to write it off on our taxes in the near future the state is looking at further reductions look at how we treat our health program but counties you know different situation mr chairman we have a lot of need and not enough money to pay for everything and when we wipe out the class the providing the subsidy will be no programs and so i think we are asking the right questions people are asking us the right questions it's a difficult thing but this county is not broke but we're not so a fluent that we cannot ignore the tax base and what they're saying to us at this time mr chairman thank you thank you for the comments members mr chair mister couch thank you just to a point of clarification  we already have the report up for this up so the whole coming with your with your concurrence the clerk has not finished reading the referrals so i think before before you  you don't get your thank you mr clerk could you complete reading the referrals thank you mr item number seven that the matter relating to reporting of permitted building improvements be referred to your budget and finance committee eight that the matter relating to penalties for violations of home exemption requirements be referred to your budget and finance committee nine that the matter relating to the counties investment policy be referred to your budget and finance committee that the matter relating to classification for transition accommodations be referred to your budget and finance committee eleven that the matter relating to the post employment obligation fire and we refer to your budget and finance committee twelve that the matter relating to an audit of the molly interscholastic league is use of county park facilities be referred to your economic development energy agriculture and recreation committee thirteen that the matter relating to agricultural inspectors for county program referred to your economic development energy agriculture and recreation committee fourteen that the matter relating to a who municipal golf course rates in revenues be referred to your economic  nineteen but the matter relating to an audit of subsidies for public transit services be provided by the department of transportation be referred to your housing human services and transportation com the matter relating to an audit of the department of transportation's federal reporting requirements be referred to your housing human services and transportation committee twenty one that the matter relating to community partnership grants be referred to your housing human services and transportation committee twenty two that the matter relating to the housing interim interim financing and buyback revolving fun be referred to your housing human services in transportation committee twenty three  to the rental housing development revolving fund be referred to your housing human services and transportation committee twenty four that the matter relating to the animal management revolving fund be referred to your housing human services transportation committee twenty six that the matter relating to the affordable housing fund be referred to your housing human services transportation committee twenty six that the matter relating to the cone or senior services leisure program activities revolving fund be referred to your housing human services transportation committee twenty seven that the matter relating to greenway services be referred to your infrastructure and environmental management committee twenty eight that the matter relating to why ali road extension project be referred to your infrastructure environmental management committee twenty nine at the matter relating to the naval air station called holy airport nasa so which pump station fund be referred to your infrastructure an environmental management committee thirty that the matter relating to your plan review permit processing processing and inspection revolving fund be referred to your infrastructure environmental management committee thirty one to the matter relating to highway beautification and disposal of abandoned vehicle revolving fund be referred to your infrastructure environmental management committee thirty two that the matter relating to the construction plan review revolving fund be referred to your infrastructure environmental management committee thirty a matter relating to the county wide sewer capital improvement reserve fund to be referred to your infrastructure and environmental management committee thirty four that the matter relating to seawall construction be referred to your planning committee thirty five but the matter relating to feed structures for after the fact permits be referred to your planning committee thirty six that the matter relating to records management and electronic documents be referred to your policy an intergovernmental affairs committee thirty seven that the matter really to a performance audit of the office of council services be referred to your policy in a governmental affairs committee thirty eight that the matters relating to an audit of the department of fire and public safety be referred to your policy an intergovernmental affairs committee thirty nine the matter relating to the office of the mayor is public information office and standards for media statements issued there from be referred to your policy in the governmental affairs committee forty that the matter relating to the fire hazard removed all remolding fine be referred to your policy an intergovernmental affairs committee forty one that the matter relating to the liquor education fund be referred to your policy an intergovernmental affairs committee forty two that the matter relating to the plan review processing and inspection revolving fund fire be referred to your policy in a governmental affairs committee forty three at the matter relating to the emergency be referred to your policy and in a governmental affairs committee forty four that the matter relating to the alarm system revolving fund be referred to your policy and in a governmental affairs committee forty five that the matter relating to watershed protection grants referred to your water resources committee forty six the matter relating to electronic billing statements for water consumers belief or to your water resources committee forty seven that the matter relating to the up country water system expansion capital improvement reserve fund he referred to your water resources committee forty eight that county communication number fifteen dash forty one be filed in forty nine that county communication number fifteen dash one two three b fi thank you mr clerk mister chairman i move that can report recommendations six first reading of a bill to appropriate estimated revenues for the operating and kept improvement budget for  year july one two thousand and fifteen to june thirtieth twenty sixteen past first reading your order to print all referrals as read by the clerk to the appropriate standing committees and filing of all county communications regarding the low income category her community has been made aware that the county does have a study going on and we believe it will be transmitted to the administration by the end of this calendar year which would take into account the rates at the current rates that impacts the returns i can take currently mr chairman  public transit the county it's seven point two million dollars paratransit the county appropriates two million dollars we have an approximate revenue stream of two point five million dollars which means we subsidize is at six point seven million dollars currently what we are looking for hopefully in the study is of course what is fair to  writer ship i think what people you meet also are interested in is body sphere to the taxpayers that pay for the subsidy we are going to need to find some common ground that makes sense for all document to study will show us and give us some opportunities on how to bring further balance to the needs of providing a service and yet making it affordable to those that need to pay that tax bill thank you for the discussion mr couch thank you mr chair and i want to thank mr holcombe a for bringing this up because that was one of mine that i was going to do but since i read it in the paper that he was going to fine with him doing it it's something that a group of us had wanted to do at that in the time of passing so i'm pleased that he brought that up this is more of a procedural issue are we going to be filing county communication number fifteen dash one thirty six as a result of this because that's what you're and then that is so do we do that now are we going to do that when it comes around again mr o'connor was a part of your i was the that's a the current fares as opposed to adjusting them in the upcoming budget for the period of july first on so voting in favor of this motion puts the bus fares back to where they are currently none all those in favor of the amendment please signify by saying i like those opposed say no measure passes eight eyes your own nose one excused mr okama any further discussion  man appendix b revenues fees in reach assessment and taxes relating to the car permit fee by striking three thousand and insuring fifteen hundred fifty one thousand five hundred in its place for the i am mandy examples as related to car permits fees by striking one thousand dollars and in both places in studying four thousand five hundred scientists would be changing the members and ramsey reform as changes as follows second there number one is that now the state has brought fog delane are that they are going to charge three percent or two hundred dollars per permitted beach access to using the water no it's not and they do it our beaches is now there will be charging three percent or two hundred dollars for each licensee pro munt to use the waters of the of the various counties and secondly with that in mind what i like to do is i'd like to my amendment with the permission of the my colleagues to say to read this way and if i mean correct we can make the correction but i would like to read the core me it would be one thousand dollars per park per activities for the first two ways to say the first two permits and permits there after held by the licensee would be five hundred dollars and hearing testimony i felt compelled to bring that forward no objections by the second or second thank you so i again after listening to all of the various permit these coming in with the onset of the state and deal and getting involved in collecting fees also for the uses of our recreational ocean recreational areas i felt that this may be a way to at least for now we would collect more revenue we would have the ability also to have them come to the table and maybe have a more lengthy discussion with the operators and as well as the the public at large because they are and from what i can read and what i've seen they can be a big asset to this county but i do admit they are the renegades all there that i just doing their thing and putting a bad name upon all of it and i think this is true in all segments of our community all you need is one of two to make us all look bad and so i believe this is a compromise in my mind that would help them continue to operate come to the table and hopefully not only i don't know if we need more regulations but better enforcement and maybe a better feel schedule could be worked out so this will just be for this year and hopefully we can work out something so next year at this time we'd have a more definitive fee schedule that would be more up to quibble with the various entities as they work out there in our vision industry so that was my my my rationale for this  further discussion mr couch thank you mr chair and i think mr victory no for bringing this up because this was pretty close to what i was going to do anyway you know we pulled back the bus fares for good reasons because we did we have a study going done some things to the to the budget this time that are new and we haven't done any had any real discussion i'm just whatever when it came up on the floor i think this this one is a very long discussion and we need to have and it took a long time to come up with these the administrative rules and the original law and it needs to be vetted through mr i think it would be mr guzman's a committee but the appropriate committee and then once we get that all fleshed out and discussed including the rates then we can come up with the race but just to come out with a blanket set a rates is going to be you know without any real discussion it is it could be detrimental and we're trying to keep the economic viability of some of these operations going now grant you i think several of these can probably afford way more than this but that's something that we have to discuss we can't just do it off the top of our head so until then i support mr vickie reno's amendment and i urge that everybody do that because we do need to study it we can't just throw it out there and see if it sticks thank you we do lots of things i know mr couch and myself during the deliberations which we tried some we are of the night one day and and here we are so i thank you for that and i was looking at that letter from the small business regulatory review board that had was given to us this afternoon this morning i guess wanting a requests to this body to defer and so i wasn't sure if this obviously is just a request and they don't have any force in effect to hold a mandate on us i guess is a question to a corporation counsel and i was like shortly counsel to give you his opinion i'm sure he'd be happy to do so yes please the short answer to your question is that the body doesn't have any governing authority over this body that the answers directly question yes thank you mr wong but in the end yes i'm looking regarding the state's small business regulatory one i framed it the interesting day but in one county home rule matters a second their concern about this structure being promulgated to a way administrators rules act that is not what we are doing this is not a rule making we are into establishing law and policy two different things so i would see this communication is totally off base as regards to discount so and its ability to end that policy through law but you remember i mentioned to you the other day that i had received a copy and i was very taken by it and i also mentioned to a couple of the people i got from cora that you know i don't believe the state and did he come here  beyond that the other thing that's frustrating is now dealing are looking to make money off of the same vendors for the use of the ocean that you know so from that high watermark into the water they're looking at two hundred dollars a month or three percent and that could add up pretty pretty quickly so i feel for them i think this is a good compromise i believe this is a step in the right direction i know we still commonly and when we first started this journey this was this stuff was in front of us this was not a part of our discussion and all became aware i became aware of this you really yesterday when i found out that in a family gathering an at and a meeting at the beach with a car representative that all of this was coming down so i really feel that i've had a real change of heart because i really believe i well i don't want to put these small businesses out of business i want to see what we can do to help them but at the same time buyer beware you're going to use a parks and you've got to help too because it's very important and i could see first time i've been down it kind of beach park for both probably a year you know a half and i was very impressed how well maintained it is so i got to our parks department because of the beach park look very clean very well maintained and the restrooms were very clean so i just want to say something good about our parks department because it doesn't seem to come out very much and i was very impressed yesterday when i was down there thank you thank you any further discussion members in the motion on the floor is to increase the the fee for the first two permits to one thousand with all the remaining permits being at five hundred dollars or status quo will just add that i think we have a significant enforcement challenge that we need to address with the parks department and i think one of the reasons that i'm comfortable with  with mr victory nose motion is that we also and we had also heard testimony from a couple of people this morning that we're not putting a very good face on our presentation to our visitors in a number of our parks that they utilize pretty frequently and they don't get responses when they wait when they call for removal of dangerous items and so forth so i think before we ask for a significant increase in the fees i think we need to do a better job of maintaining and and enforcing what we have now so mr grossman your committee's got a tall order ahead of it  so any further discussion members see none all those in favor please signify by saying i those opposed say no measure passes eight eyes or nose with one excused any further discussion on the main motion mr couch thank you mr chair and i want to think mr hall calm again i said this at the getting it when we passed it out of committee that i agree with pretty much all of the stuff that we've done and we out we did the right compromise back and forth but to me still the a b c is too much that's another thing we haven't really discussed other than a short time during budget committee and  for that i would not be supporting the main motion because i think that's something that needs to really really be discussed before we implement that  procedure we had a little bit of a taste of it in our offices and just imagine that multiplied by millions of dollars so for that reason i will not be supporting the you know i mean motion thank you closing because i will not be a good second reading so this is my only chance to comment on issues budget so i'll make it brief but i would have to say i want to thank michelle comma for bringing awareness to the forefront what i agreed or disagreed he brought awareness for all of us to look more closely at how what where and who we spend money with and and so i'm very thankful for that i think the public has been more engaging put it was a classic example of engagement and for those bus riders who challenged me to ride the bus i read it before flush it doesn't run by my house and to ride around other areas that i need to get to a meeting we need twenty minutes or ten minutes it's pretty difficult but i will ride the bus i will see them on the bus that's not a problem the other issue i think is the reaching fees i think we did a judicious job in looking at every rate in feet and trying to hold the line wherever and whenever we could and i want to thank all the members because it wasn't always easy and many of us had different ideas and different takes in certain areas i do want everyone down by not raising the water at all i think there may be a problem down the road i think you're looking for a problem down the road but buyer beware i've let you know i've said what i had to say and finally was to share with thank you for your leadership i know it's not been easy this is your first rodeo you're out there doing the best you can and sometimes it's not always easy hurting all eight of us in the same direction or even in any semblance of the same direction and i know that's been something that all of us feel like we've got the best answer what is called aberration like has been mentioned when we sit down and we discuss matters you seem to work it out and the public at large our constituents are the benefactors and to all those out there who have listened to all the debates i want to thank them because again if you're willing to  listen in and day out and i know there are people there out there watching this they also ask why do we keep the same meeting timing in time out and i told them basically some people don't have the time to watch it today they watch it tomorrow next week or next month so mr chair i want to thank all of my colleagues for their patience and their due diligence and i think at this point in time i'm really difficult and that can i can support the vast majority of what we brought forward diligence they've done their budget right unexpected unexpected incidents unexpected events however i believe if you've done your due diligence they're far and few between that's the way it should be because hearing director goods comments this morning and having his written testimony also the penalty i guess that is stated in the charter if such funds are not being utilized in their you know respective off on the fund of the appropriation reference to section twenty of the budget ordinance has whoever intentionally or knowingly violates this ordinance shall  fined not more than a thousand dollars or imprisoned not more than thirty days or both that's within the budget ordinance itself section twenty ok so but again you know i understand  the the discipline the this is to bring to the budgeting process and for me you know in ten months we'll see how it rolls through and works its way through and if there's huge difficulties we can you know address it but i'm actually quite comfortable in looking to see how this does work out and that's ten months trial period i guess so for me and i'm in very much support of this budget and appreciate everyone's hard work and cooperation lots of that happen so thank you very much  went through though i do have some kinks that i question if they're to me collective bargaining for some departments are not that easily controllable  and but yet you know i hope we will allow some departments when they do feel that pinch because of whatever the bargaining units expect o of them not that we basically or i basically agree with the high cost you know and i think we come back to future discussions on how we can we conclude chairman i do believe this is fair we worked within restrictions we worked what we believed was a fair amount of taxation to ask from our community the other side i thought we did a good job in being very transparent and open to where we are putting the people's money to the types of programs they have requested and to the core services that our charter mandates this body to address so saying that mr chairman i get two things that regardless of what level of government people serve in the community has spoke time and again for transparency and accountability to things that i believe is very fair of the community to ask of us transparency and accountability i think moving forward at this time with the a b c accounts does just that responding to a community concern to provide i like confidence in its county government regarding accountability and transparency council cannot in future budget deliberations make appropriate adjustments i would like to be able to do that i would like the departments to show us that they can be trusted and what they see is what they will do best practice as proven otherwise and that's why we consider this type of greg a lot tory language in our document at this time i can tell you the budget director has been that their request is worthy to be submitted to counsel for consideration and they will have in place within committee to have that the wreck referral to at least at a minimum to me eliminate three additional weeks of processing three additional weeks that we can cut off chairman so i think we're doing our part i appreciate mr baez already being cooperative and working with me to ensure that we can do timely processing if and when he partly comes forward with a request and we'll see how  go but i think we are in step at this time to make this budget work mr chairman thank you couch thank you mr chair and i just want to reiterate i have no issue with all the work we did with the budget none whatsoever with think we all did great compromise i just don't think that this drastic a change in section seven without any real discussion i know you can say that it's transparency and you can say accountability but we need to find out i mean i was disturbed by what mr good came up and testified saying let's go to jail if he has an emergency and he has to you know expend more if he could have gotten from another account so with things like that i just want to be able to vet it out if we have a long discussion about it in the pro create committee i'm fine with it you know with what we come up with but we didn't we just had an idea we talked about it a little bit and passed it along so while the budget is great it's the section seven that is just the poison pill for me so thank you and you further pretty good job there are some things i am not satisfied with who think we should have done differently and would have our time believing that the real the culture member most of so few different certain items i do agree with mr coach and such and  budget staff and the chair for the long hours i know that is necessary after all of all of us leave the chambers and all the community members that come in and and watch the proceeds in have have long departed it's a lot of work and a lot of time that goes into it so while everyone else is getting six to eight hours of sleep the budget staff is a maybe four to six or thereabouts so to them a sincere thank you because it's a long long process and and i know some of you feel it should be shorter but i think it's in my opinion it's necessarily long and i've been very excited watching the deliberations this year because we have no new members and so everyone has been through at least two budgets and that has led in my view to much better questions much better comments because we're all much more familiar with the process and with the departments and i think that's very very healthy  so i'm i'm excited with where we are i realize as you all do that nothing's ever going to be perfect i'm very pleased that we were able to reduce the budget in such a way that we were able to again reduce property tax rates it has to be clear we're not reducing property taxes because our valuations overall have gone up by thirteen and a half percent so all we've done is reduce the increase not eliminate it and that's something for which i believe we can be very proud we have dug into each department in significant detail in enough detail maybe not but to me one of the more significant things that we are doing in this budget is the establishment of separate a b and c accounts and the reason i feel that it's significant is because as mr okama pointed out he and mr baez have worked out a system by which requests for budget amendments can be handled as a direct referral to the committee and can be responded to in a very timely and short fashion i believe that's one of the most important things that we're doing in this budget because we're not the ones that have presented the c accounts they've the departments of those who have presented them and for the most part we've not made any changes to the or have any significant changes to the a account which is the salaries so we are committing have committed to virtually all the facts i think i can say across the board all current staffing levels we didn't approve all the requested increases but as far as pain people to respond to various incidents the money is going to be there the only time that a budget amendment would be necessary in a very quick order is if it happens at the very end of the year and by the time we get to the end of this next fiscal year i'm sure that mr baez and mr o'connell will figure out how to handle that to but essentially we are doing what this council is responsible for we are responsible for the checks and balances we're responsible for holding onto the purse strings and by establishing separate accounts for salaries operational expenses and equipment we're simply asking for taking the budgeting process to the next level and saying please tell us what you need to spend we'll give us we'll give you what we think you need and you're going to have to live within that structure as you'll recall last year was the first time we had access to the accounting system so last year was the first time we had debility to find out how much had been spent thus far in any line item in any department and i think that was a significant eye opener to every member of  this committee because we were being asked in many cases for over one hundred thousand dollars for the upcoming year because they'd asked for one hundred thousand dollars in the previous year and when we found out that they'd only spent fifteen thousand well it puts it in a very different perspective so we have gone through this budgeting process last year and this year knowing what they've spent for the first time not you know not being in a position where we've had to listen to the departments and take them at their word so i believe that this stablish one of the a b and c accounts is the next appropriate and responsible thing for this council to do because it is requiring them to live within the budget that they have presented us i have to do that with my wife and i anyway i challenge anyone who did say that you don't have to deal with restrictions of your spouse i don't i know your wife better than that mr vitter you know what truly this is this is accountability and transparency at its best and for us to suggest otherwise and for us to suggest that we can't operate quickly enough to respond is just silly we have an emergency fund they can be used if there's a drastic a drastic issue so i'm i'm very comfortable with with the a b and c accounts being set up individual and without the ability to move money from one side to the other sure it makes it a little more difficult to manage but guess what over time it's going to make our budget process much more transparent much more accurate and much more effective so i congratulate mr holt cama for the work that committee chair for the record bill thirty eight twenty fifteen you have before you from your land use committee committee report fifteen dash fifty four recommending the following one that the bill entitle t five zero zero one portion for the molech high high school be passed on first reading and be awarded to print to get the bill entitled the bill for an ordinance to amend the state land use district classification from agricultural to urban conditional boundary amendment for property situated wholly who tax maps key number two five dash to dash zero one five zero zero one portion classrooms currently used for science instruction were designed a standard classrooms and therefore do not meet the department of education standards for science lab classrooms not when you are too small but you also look at the properly oh and equipment to meet the basic science instruction standards as a result many of their procedures cannot be conducted and in some instances students must watch virtual procedures for experiments on their computers hughie proposes to committee report fifty fifty five recommending the following one that that the bill entitled the bill for an ordinance to change zoning from urban reserve district to be country town business district conditional zoning for property situated at the not a city how to eat for the proposed full night police station courthouse building the past and first reading and be ordered to print to that the county clerk record beginner lateral agreement and three that the five by saying i was opposed say no measure passes with seven eyes and no seven eyes no nos and two excused correct for the record bill number forty two twenty fifty you have before you committee report fifteen dash fifty six recommending the following one that the bill entitled the bill for an ordinance to amend the key h colon zero one nine for the proposed when any heavy industrial subdivision the past and first reading and be ordered to print to that the bill and title the bill for an ordinance to change zoning from agricultural district to three restricted industrial district conditional zoning for property situated at political newly district tax map key number two three dash eight dash zero zero eight colin zero one nine four any heavy industrial subdivision for the past and first reading and be ordered to print that the county clerk record the unilateral agreement and for that the county that county communication number fourteen dash two sixty two development of the wood in a heavy industrial subdivision the project proposed development plans call for subdividing apostle to provide lots that accommodate pure industrial uses such as men affection from raw materials w of the discussion see no further discussion of those in favor of policing from us saying i was opposed say no measure passes with some one excuse clerk for the record bills number forty three forty four twenty fifty respectively committee report fifteen dash fifty seven recommending the following one that the bill and title the bill for an ordinance amending ordinance number twenty six forty one thousand nine hundred ninety eight key hammock in a community plan and land use map from business commercial to hotel from tax map key number two three dash nine dash zero zero two colon zero three zero portion and to allow a heavy heavy limb excuse me in to allow a height limit of sixty feet on a portion of tax map key number two three residential to eight am hotel district b to community business district and o s one open space district for tax five key numbers to dash three dash nine dash zero zero two colin zero three zero two dash nine dash zero zero two colin zero seven six two dash three dash nine zero zero to colin zero eight zero and two three dash nine dash zero zero two colin one five eight key him molly hawaii for the proposed downtown key a project the past and first reading and be awarded to print three that the comic record begin a lateral agreement and and to amend the plan in standards in the key a community plan to a low height limit of sixty feet on a twenty one thousand five hundred square foot portion of the t m c to fish three  medical offices shops and movie theatre in restraints and one hundred fifty room four story hotel committee recommended conditions related to traffic be incorporated into the changes will need bill consistent with reform additions chairman i want to thank the committee for bringing this up and passing it out this this is a project has been going through the k community for about ten years i believe eight to ten years and they've been going over and over and redesigning and whatnot and if you note with the community plan amendments that it has already that areas already community plan to be business they're just doing the one amendment to add a little hotel there so it's what the community had planned way back when it's what the community has looked for and so i am i'm really glad that it's finally come through and i want to ask for the committee's support thank you so is this the right mechanism versus final subdivision we know when you get final subdivision approval projects take a year improvements up front first before you build the house thank you any further discussion members seen and all those in favor of placing the five by says excused mr clerk for the record bills number forty five and forty six twenty fifty eight with with that mr clerk we're going to take a ten minute recess so please be here at four will come back to order mr clerk let's proceed you have before you from your policy in a governmental affairs committee committee report fifteen gnashed fifty eight recommending that the resolution entitled appointment of members to boards and attempting to separate out basically these two nominees in order for myself in particular to vote separately on each nominee and then it didn't really turn out that way and so my no vote i cast and for both but in essence what i was trying to do and accomplish was to be in favor of mr misaki but i negative on the other not so at this point my over  discussion seen none of those in favor of placing the five by saying i was opposed say no no measure passes with seven eyes one no and one excuse clerk for the record resolution fifty fifty five you have before you committee report number fifty fifty nine recommending the following one that the resolution entitled appointment of a member to the board of water supply for the county be adopted and to that the resolution entitled appointment of a member to the costs of government commission for the county of maui be adopted mr victory no thank you which i moved to policy into government affairs committee recommended the approval of the mayor's nominees of floor entirely to the board of water supply and paul pony to the cost of government commissions i respectfully request one that the resolution entitled removed from the affirmative action advisory council be adopted into that county communication number fifteen dash one seventeen be filed fifteen your policy into government affairs committee recommended the approval of the mare's recommendation to remove the i forgot a first name always again missing alba has also been served on the board of at these resign from that body on january twenty first two thousand and fifteen the chair that is the recommendation of the committee thank you thank  resolution fifteen dash fifty eight mr chair proceeding with the county communications you have before you cannae communication number fifteen dash one twenty eight from the director of finance translating to counsel to reports on settlements of those opposed say no as your passive with eight eyes zero knows when excused mr clinton you have before you cannae communication number fifteen dash one twenty nine from the director of finance translating to council sixty two assuming since we don't have to take any action on this that this was a mare's who was who was the mare's pick to begin with ok great thanks i just want to double check that any further discussion three from the director of water supply transmitting to console the water use reports for february and march twenty fifth being received from the state of hawaii commission on water resource management for all registered well reporters for fifteen days one three four second been moved by mr victory no and second to my mr couch victory no no for the discussion thank you any discussion members sunan all those in favor of to your budget and finance committee county communication number fifty one thirty eight from the director of finance reporting and transfers from the general fund and department of water supply revenue fine to the bond fund as of march thirty and fifteen county communication number fifteen one thirty nine from the director of finance reporting and transfers from the general fund and the department of water supply revenues fun to the to the bond fund as of april thirty twenty fifteen county communication number fifteen dash one forty from the budget director transmitting to the council the budget implementation report as of march thirty first twenty fifteen fiscal year tw third quarter county communication number fifteen dash one forty one from the mer transmitting to the council the summary of cost items as its proposed resolution entitled approving cost items for unit to supervisory blue collar employees county communication number fifteen dash one forty two from des mer transmitting to the council the summary of cost items and a proposed resolution entitled approving cost items for unit three non supervisory white collar employees and unit four supervisory white collar employees county communication number fifteen dash one forty three from to be air transmitting to the council to summary of cost a proposed resolution entitled approving cost items for non supervisory white collar employees excluded from bargaining unit three and supervise three white collar employees excluded from bargaining unit for county communication number fifteen dash one forty four from the director of finance transmitting to the council to finance directors court order to port for the fiscal year july one thousand and fourteen to june thirty twenty fifth fifteen as of march thirty first twenty fifteen and the capital improvement project as of march thirty first twenty fifteen to your committee of the whole county communication number fifteen dash one forty five from the director of housing and human concerns transmitting to counsel a proposed resolution and title authorizing the employment of special counsel the legal aid society of hawaii with respect to providing legal services to qualified elderly people for the department of housing and human concerns to your housing human concerns and transportation committee conny communication number fifteen dash one forty six from council member cottage relating to carney white transportation services including bus and ferry systems to your infrastructure and environmental management committee county communication over fifteen nash one forty seven from the director of public works transmitting to council a proposed resolution from our one residential district to the s b r service business residential district for property situated at two to four one west vineyard street where you cool all i can communication number fifteen dash one forty nine from the planning director relating to an application submitted by timothy man of he man landscaping l l c transmitting a proposed bill and titled the bill for an ordinance granting from the planning director transmitting the planning director's report and recommendations related to council resolution number fourteen dash one one four referring to lanai mali and more planning commissions a proposed bill to allow for the creation of agricultural conservation lots county communication number fifteen dash one five three from council member coach relating to the maui island plan chapter for economic development relating to tourism county communication number fifteen dash one five four from council member coach transmitting a proposed bill in title a bill for an ordinance amending chapter two point eight all be any code relating to general plan and community plans to your policy in inner governmental affairs committee county communication number fifteen dash one one five from council member culture relating to a pesticide study on soil water in air county communication number fifteen nash one five six presiding officer pro tempore victory nor relating to purchasing cards p cards conny communication number fifteen dash one five seven from presiding officer pro tempore victory not relating to the hawaii association of counties matters county communication number fifteen dash one five eight from presiding officer pro tempore victory no relating to molly county legislative package to your water resources committee county communication number fifteen dash one five nine from council member by sup really relating to the county of mali water use in development plan county communication number fifteen dash one six zero from and fifteen budget for the county of mali as it pertains to estimated revenues department of finance county white cost total operating appropriations and total appropriations operating in capital improvement projects to amend the state lange use district classification from agricultural to urban for property situated a corner quiet molly hawaii for the west molly hospital and bilma twenty three a bill for an ordinance establishing hawaii for the west molly hospital and medical center building number twenty four a bill for new ordinance to change the winning from r s three residential district to west molly project district three  skilled nursing facility and a forty unit assisted living facility two medical office buildings a forty bit substance abuse ribbit ribbit titian facility and related arm slate and also improvements on the property  in you know part of this body but i just want to say thanks for the people persevering through all this and getting it to this point in time so more than happy to support it and to see it come through its fruition because i think it's a little be a positive addition to west and it would help assist in many ways to the you know public welfare of our visitors and our residents alike so thank you for this opportunity thank you yes this is a very very good day for west maui medical perspectives and thank you mr carroll for all the hard work of your committee on bringing this forward members any further discussion see none of those in favor please signify by saying i was opposed say no these are passive a seven eyes zero nose and two excuse members by side and couch clerk you have before you bill number twenty five twenty fifteen bill for an ordinance to amend the west bill number twenty six a bill for nor an in store amend the state land use district classification from urban to agricultural for property situated at behind a maui hawaii formally identified as the proposed west molly hospital site bill number so many things being zoned out of bag so for me this too is a happy moment for us maui but so i am in complete support of this chair thank you very much any further discussion members see none of those in