we have will take testimony first before suits me members we should take testimony first whereby anyone wishing to provide testimony before this committee be guarding the agenda will be given an opportunity to ensure up to three minutes sorry this is a new for of the county council when it comes to helping sustain our water supply you guys understand that in order to sustain our water supply we have to manage our watersheds and the funding supplied by deed of us is so vital to our management  you know we we daily are challenged by invasive species you know fire a whole bunch of things that threaten our water should and  funding that is provided by the county is ferry vital to our management so i want to just see thank you and you guys are definitely a leader throughout the state of hawaii i think we made a presentation earlier later last year q have you been able to also get some state support for water shoot protection i'm sorry ken did you are you able to get state financial support also for the mission of the ship there are basically two government agencies that we rely on heavily for funding and that ws by by far is our biggest funder but we also have funds coming in from the watershed protection program with the state as well as the natural partnership program with the state and then from time to time when we have capital improvement projects we we just finished a project more money where we actually have got some u s fish and wildlife grants so we do have support from all three government the first conservation easement ever salvation hawaii's a chemical preserve has the conservancy because of its value i would hope it's tax status being able to leverage the county's funding for the county funding is so key in in leveraging all kinds of funding especially because you know the county funding comes directly from the ma we county so especially like with federal funds a lot of times you can use of or you know there's a lot pass through federal monies they go to state and county agencies but with the county it's not that way and so with the deed obvious funding so we can use it to match especially federal funds if we need them there what is your general   every dollar county dollar we spend we leverage you know three other dollars so it it helps us leverage a lot of money in there and you know because of the funding we're able to do a really good job so you know we've been able to establish a really good track record and as you know people like to fund people who are going to get the job done this is you definitely have a track record of getting things  but we do a lot of contract work and so we have two different contract entities that employ a total of about ninety nine people so a resident yes  good good thank you for doing a good job  think as well as state why you know you you come with so much knowledge and even your efforts to leverage dollars that comes into the conservation and  preservation of of our i not so you know thank you so much you guys want to know a bit of history i have a bit of history for you guys i first met there and he was a doer and then he's a do or no yes and changed members i mean go and ask for district offices if anyone would like to share testimony with i we have this morning the second half of parks and recreation departments review we basically completed the first part and as we are observing members adjusted their structure whereby they are and i went basically to program areas we did the first one which was basically parks program and then this morning we're going to focus on recreation and support services component which includes the golf program as well this the ocean safety program and everything else that wasn't covered under parks so we'll ask mr baez as our budget director if he has any comments you like to share at this site i think mr chairman i just appreciate the review of the department of parks recreation and bring to understand their driven ization i apologize their budget documents the way that they're structured makes it a little bit more difficult to try to balance out you know what's coming from which program and what's going to which program in them with the end product is but the department is here to help clarify that and give us opening comments for your recreation support division thank you chairman good morning members just a brief overview for the recreation and support services section so this is a combination of what has previously always been our recreation and support services which includes all of the district support  sections we're looking at including aquatics the pools with the ocean safety transferred to the fire department including pools into the recreation and support services program as well as including pals in the recreation and support services program you'll see and hear an additional point five p for half the time office operations assistant in west maui that we'd like to make into a full time so it's a point five p expansion request and then you also this is where you'll see a lot of the consolidation so our athletic supplies traffic signs cellular telephones telephones airfare and transportation mileage per day i'm recreation programs and meal allowances those objects codes listed with within each of the different index codes you'll see a lot of movement in these areas being reflected so that they're being managed by one or two people as opposed to in twelve different locations within the department's budget and then the other more significant item in here is our qualified rehab maintenance that we touched on a little program coming into the department in the past it was taken upon the swim clubs to kind of spearhead those learn to swim programs and it was a transition to kind of get they mean to a program for the club in  staking back the ownership of those sleep clubs from our own lifeguards at the pool and having them do to participate and actually doing learn to swim programs throughout the year is that just a seasonal aspect like some other clubs are doing is having our lifeguards at the pools actually doing the the sim lessons so that definitely open the doors for everyone who'd may have not had the money to participate in some of them to swim programs from swim clubs this is a free program  for your comments please do we do you have a sense of how many person now within your program area you division area don't maintain their certifications and can you tell us for us is a certification a requirement of the positions chair mr director so for specially for aquatics all lifeguards need to be certified so it is one hundred percent certification for aquatics and then we have a number of certified on their own our recreation department has some of our supervisor level positions choose to take that class up on themselves but everyone within the aquatics division is one hundred percent certified there are some numbers a justified  because of our beacon sees so it may not show that it is one hundred but they need to be certified to be a lifeguard king is someone assigned in your division to ensure certification is maintaining updated order that is the responsibility of the individual i'm sure it's we do have our chiefs and our supervisors within the department that keep track of their duty certification and a lot of them know as well when they're expiring  my last question at this area of the earth goes in objectives and i like it myself is on for eighty one to one the middle component a number of news youth sports programs created and implemented but tells me folks are being innovative you folks are responding to the change in environment of what our youth is interested in so can you tell us this share in the first part of that and then move past not the director as well but again it's just taking back ownership of some of these programs that were personally being run through community or through vendors so called that you know we're doing these the are programs you know some of these before is vary from district to district but bringing something like volleyball back to a small use moey you know for you programs and other sport that wasn't really looked progressing on and seeing what is available and what's what's kind of been being done from the outside community and how can we bring that back with our recreation planners and getting them more interactive with the community from all districts and decide think it chair so a couple the other examples of programs as archery program that are east strict kind of took over and start implementing and running again and they were also able to incorporate that into the powells summer sessions  we've had a kickball program that it's really taken off in south mali and then there's been some leagues that have been initiated because of that in more of the central area pickle ball is also one of the fastest growing  sports on the continental u s and so that's something over here that there's been a lot of inquiries about more recently is playing pickle ball and it's a little bit of an a new are sport out here in my county and then in addition to that we've been exploring this has a varied age group of participants on on monday and so i would just see if you might just want to mention new pool ram sports programs created and not perky down for the youth separated from  the bottom of the page on security services of the three hundred forty thousand four hundred eighty seven increased funding for security services for the new parks now  brought this up forward because in the previous department that was before yours which was he i believe the managing directors office they had a fund there for appropriation requested appropriation force security service for specific parks and so i was told at least i heard that they were in charge of that type of security so i'm inquiring why it's not here the monies that is appropriated to the managing directors office and you have a line item specifically for security services as well so so that's of this particular line item is there's no equipment attached to this no these are contractual services that are done and kind of bring that up with the discussion of security services you know looking at it and looking at being put it with the financial spending is you know potentially looking at it with a price tag of four hundred thousand dollars roughly with with the contract shows that we do you know if this body would even look at the possibility looking at adding taking that away we could actually use park rangers for that service if you were to add on say possibly three or four more e p a s in the future that sort of if you want to do i did a number as a calculation even with the going with three to four employees as park rangers getting eight hours of service compared to five minutes at a park closing the gate and moving on they're called security service contracts but there is no security being done so that's us with the more detailed proposal the chair yes i mean i was kind of looked at the numbers during the budget and we had i kind of missed the boat in the sense of presenting that prior to mr baugh's laying out the budget but as i did  number as our looked at what i was going to the contracts to parks and i noticed the amount of money being spent for this country actual service on security service for gates i did some numbers and just with manpower and he positions and you know i know there's always a  conscious of what the fringe benefits are and everything else but looking at the true number costs you know there is money to be saved and i think it'll cover everything and then some the first year would probably be a possible wash because ideally we have three or four new bodies if they have three or four new vehicles every year from there ought out you're saving about one hundred fifty thousand dollars every year from that point on and it gives us the eight hour day with park rangers enforcement you know a parking over a park anything that's a gives us  more of a broader scope of work for eight hours instead of someone hopping in their cars starting about canada ending up at the mall and just locking the gate or not even locking in because they don't want to deal with you know some of the the to refer to twelve dash one one one and it's still under the category of recreation and support services program you have on our twelve dash one one one under central years so that might be appropriate to purchase as opposed to the hundred thousand dollars or more that we had last week that we reviewed last night which had a life expectancy of five years so  can understand that request but on the bottom here under west maui parks equipment you have a four thousand d m more for eighty thousand and life  recommend leasing versus purchasing if we don't know the life  you chair that into supported life should be fun five to seven years and that i'm not sure why we didn't catch that not getting put in there but five to seven years is typically the lifespan for the four thousand d mowers and just common in general with the lice license and lease verses the purchasing of equipment we can include this in the information that was requested last night for us to do a little bit of a further breakdown between the mowers that we would be looking to purchase versus do the license and provide a little bit more information to this body ok so if if you could you know give us a rough  to how much more we would be appropriating into the leasing fine to cover this eighty thousand dollars or more with the life expectancy of five to seven years that specific point in time so i appreciate your your questions and comments on the earlier question regarding the park rangers versus third party security  and i'm not sure what the latest revision is to title eight are title thirteen but prior the park ranger or park security officer psyche were limited to only county parks properties because this one thing we've got to address and we are bad people who don't know how to additional funding due to a fifty percent increase in maryada acid contract used to ignore the outcome of the water is that something that would be under the fuel description or maybe you can explain that what it is i don't know what you do use it for or should that be  wiffle ball about that big in a solid pad a little bit bigger than a racquetball paddle on a courts slightly smaller than a tennis court but the tennis net is about the same height and similar to tennis rules kind of  can be a fast action sport so it has nothing to do it pickles no it doesn't i don't know why it was called pickle ball it was originated supposedly in the pacific northwest thank you have a question you talk about the security services and how adding what three more bodies plus doubling or increasing the salaries would still come in under one hundred fifty thousand under or was it an either or kind of situation is a coach we're going to ask him to send a communication explaining that analysis oh ok because it was that something that we might be able to incorporate into this bugger's at some a budget amendment maybe after if we like it i guess that's again depending upon where we are in the process ok we will submit their requests to the depart i load them to respond accurately to this committee and they will take that information as part of our adjustments to what we're going to present to council for final adoption ok because that that  sounds intriguing if the numbers actually work out that way that might be something worth supporting and then i guess for m information if he if you can tell us they're they're looking what it's looking like they're going to lump everything under two index codes essentially materials and supplies in services at least that's the way it looked in the presentation that they sent object codes are the ones that say whether or not their services or materials and those subject code levels will remain there ok the object code levels that you see in the budget document in the summary sections there are what's called an object level so it's a compilation of those objects ok so you will so we're not going to see you just a big lump sum of materials and supplies or is or is that broken out on page four eighty eight of the proposal under nine one five one five to be dashed six one one two is that where that's going to get thrown in the five hundred thousand further  down oops there you go is that were that three hundred forty thousand four hundred eighty seven dollars is part of that kind of looks like the same numbers five two is the qualified rehabilitation maintenance contract so that was the five hundred thousand dollars for that was mentioned by so where would i find that three hundred  forty thousand in this new list of changez expansion requests cetera i couldn't find it anywhere you could look for the thirty six  open things on weekends are locked gates are open gates and the second line from the top for premium pay was the hama hall restrooms that need to be open on weekends so that is park people and not like outside contractors will type service the six thousand dollars and then i don't know where to reference it in the details so like what is the overall all cost but we're adding six thousand more dollars to wherever that is weekends and this was something that was starting to be initiated because it's the only public restroom in that area that's a part of it's connected to the social hall there and so we open that on the weekends so that that's open for public use honna that doesn't pertain to being the only restroom at helen hall because last i visited the community said they had to rent their own porta potties when they wanted to utilize our pavilions and have barbecues of the family there the rector so the legal residents are open when we do the permitting for larger parties that is part of the recovery is bringing in extra porta potties for the usage that is going to happen because they during the day especially we still get as is a big concern for a lot of residents the tours and everybody else still coming in using the facility on top of the local use if there is a party or a function going on so that is part of the permanent process as it is also some of the events here we do on while we are part of them is bringing in at a certain point certain number of people we asked them to bring in port a potties as well to accommodate the overflow ok so it's not that helen hall is not open at the same russian would have to go rent you know by time i think there was some kind of construction at that point but for the most part there's nothing as far as that is called the the bathroom is open for use it's just bringing in extra porta potties for a larger event ok ok thank you for that clarification and then heading down to the next line over time due to a country filtration not functioning properly and then having  don't want to see from the start we've had issues with the system so we are in the process of you know of course fixing the problem and not always sending over time b but currently right now that is right now what we've been doing is getting them the premium pay ever since then because it i refer to the next line down also and my question was going to be last night is that redundant because it's for the is that the same thing but it's for fifty thousand dollars so collectively it's sixty grand we're paying for that one pool or is that also tickle on the pool there's a line item below because it says a country and so i'm assuming it's the same place same regionally appropriated when you do the actual implementation when did this issue start because i would have thought the warranty would have covered it on the stages other things that we would ask you is if you have flexibility in scheduling the two employees to reduce your further need of premium that would be appreciated  again you deal with the country x more specifically director so you would know better what is the contractual requirements of us as an employer but if you have the ability to adjust work week and have one of your employees work through sunday maybe that is another way to approach your need for the lead adjustments on a system that seems to have had problems from day one so let's go for a know the name of the manufacturer why do we buy this thing that he's creating a headache for the department on a daily basis and also what would be an estimated budget requests to replace it because this is not going to force keep flying every year for sixty of the premium one yeah well thank you very much chair for the opportunity to delve more into this two two and there gasoline diesel in oil and it says additional funny due to fifty percent increase in miry attic acid contract used to lower alkalinity of the water and so is that our county possible water that has this that that's how i matter i'm not a pool guy but kind of reading it that way using more of this acid to offset something that the alkalinity in the water so i'm just wondering is that something on the you know twenty six thousand dollars i don't see the total but this is an expansion of twenty six thousand dollars or so i was thinking about you know how scoreboards or at least in the department of transportation they're now allowing advertising within the bus itself this might be another venue  to try to think about renting advertising space on scoreboards because as a parent myself and two boys playing baseball i look at that scoreboard all the time and  so and you see on the mainland they have a lot of advertisements on the scoreboard and i'm sure it's a little space on there someone's paying a pretty good penny to put their logo on there so if there's a possibility of when you purchase the scoreboards look into some of those mainland score ports that have spaces that have the advertisements that he could attach to or you know you know i don't know produce or something like that i know that they have those mean and scoreboards that they have those advertisements sections in there so that could be a possibility so that that's just my comment thank share but i think you should  coach i think it was the chair along the same lines i know in north carolina when we went to neko we were given tours of some parks in south carolina and one of the things that just pointed out is that individual fields had names and the fields were named after a particular group or corporation that is donated to either build the field or maintain the  field that can also be the case kind of in competition with naming some of our ball fields or baseball fields over work memorial after respected figures but  there are other places that can that can be done and in new place especially in the new park potentially all kinds of ways to do that so not only pouring rights but potentially naming rights to me or i think you know one thing that we could se entity on that program i always thought that you know we have so many people who have contributed to this community again we have recognize lots of people in different areas of excellence and on are all our residents who have contributed to the betterment of this county and not be limited and if we named this field  chairman i may have a be able to save the department some time in us some paper that whole premium pay additional funding for overtime did upcountry filtration system for eighty eight the top one for ten thousand bucks that's what it is the bottom line if you look up that number on page twelve dash eighty on the details it says the reason for the expansion for the fifty thousand dollars is additional funding based on actual for employees to work on holidays so that might be a typo in in the parks and recreation four of those points in regards to electricity and water delivery charges number first one for example restoration of a deflationary decrease to compensate for central my regional part crease correct but as you know we have inflationary factors that we apply to water waste water fuel and electricity and those inflationary factors are based on the average of the prior two years actual expenditures so if we took fiscal year fourteen if it's clear fifteen actual expenditures and applied inflationary factor to those so then based on that we set a an amount that we're proposing for the fiscal year seventeen budget it may be that the proposed budget is less than the current fiscal year sixteen's budget and so that's why it's an inflationary decrease because based on the inflationary factors there was a decrease in the proposed budgets not  actual expenditures but in the proposed budget itself and then that was offset by a request by the department to add funding here for water service delivery charges for new parks coming online  park and the most part so those are the water service delivery charges if there was no additional parks would have had a decrease in their actual budget from fisk's sixteen to seventeen but because  departments identified that they're expanding the service areas by these new parks being dedicated to the county and having to take over the water service delivery charges for those day has for increased budget expansion portion for those additional costs so that's how you get to the net of a thousand dollar increase from the sixteen to seventeen proposed budget ok there could be a better term but mainly that you understand yeah this is the cost now for possible but once are when it comes on line we will be forced to tie in and thereby appropriately  yes so the total increase isn't just based on the click the bargaining it's it's the increase is based on actual expenditures of the division in that section based on each one of the units and so in their it would define the pay that they get for work performed on holidays is a dated so yes we are having to pay them  additional rate for working on a holiday or weekend or night differential different things like that or would you know mr baez and again it's a question would you know if the prepares their package they doing clude the additional costs including overtime and fired a based on holidays standby different things like that as part of the initial package i'm not sure of the details of during the negotiations how quickly that see the results are put to the side but those are given in the initial  having those being controlled by one or two oversights in our parks will with that decrease in kind of transfer of certain responsibilities and allow for the recreation of the districts to focus more on those types of remaining expenses that exist as their responsibility and with that we hope to yes come up with a more streamlined program to make sure that we are being as efficient as we possibly can with those different janitorial supplies and types of items that are being purchased a lot of times there's just a natural tendency when we're even within the same division and same sections when we're physically separated to have a lot of autonomy and we want to make sure that there is a certain level of autonomy for the supervisors but at the same time that we're collectively making decisions that are going to be for the for the best for the department to make sure that we're holding our responsibilities so that will be one of the things that the recreation division will be focused on as we move into this  that again broad drove eighty forward through twelve or most weeks you're asking minutes for approximately one point six two million dollars for your and your electricity requirements and and ministrations budget hearing currently with some of the numbers with that is solar power i spake it looks like we're where we're definitely getting to a point of save your kilowatt hours compared to thirty eight cents an hour at twenty cents a kilowatt hour for the pews we are currently starting it with well to do the key a community center so we are in the process of the installation of panels on to the key community center you may have a justice by i'm going to ask again because i think there's still some need to be better and to a better understanding so in twelve a b forward through twelve ninety nine you are requesting for approximately three hundred fifty thousand dollars for contract thank you chair so that the contract service says it is primarily looking at like dumpster trash pick up so that the large dumpsters they get empty da lot of different park facilities as well as the portable restrooms that are located in a variety of the locations so those are the the two primary components of the two large contractual services that we have the repair and maintenance services and contracts would be smaller types of projects that we're not able to do in house and so it could be that you know there's something that it's broken that needs to be repaired that we're not able to do in house so that that's kind of the difference between those two your department's responsibility i would going to as the name of the park say the parks where the park is located employee requirements for the park so we can understand the one point six million aggregate total know one thing quickly i wanted to ask since remember stuart my memory because he was brought up in about the department does your department consider work orders from other departments because you have professionals chair we do not currently i know that used to be the practice within the parks department there used to be the trades would provide this and provide a lot of services and work at a lot of the different facilities  yeah i'm not sure when that was stopped when that practice was stopped but i think it's been for a while now the one item that i know we do regularly respond to is if there's like offices that are moving in and those types of things or if there's you know floods in different areas and a lot of times will respond in addition with the work line to help make those kinds of emergency moves i  in to me is what good is that be more so i guess i'm just trying to look at ways of approaching the challenges of our departments are free c p i think that's pretty much equipment it was brought up earlier about a since you folks are looking for slow cutting mower is that the same thing as a slope more i have another department asking for a slow mo or so is what if they just forget to put the word cutting in their ears at the same apparatus do you know the slow mo or is asking out a hundred grand to pick this up that works and then you folks are in this total budget but the term slow more and still putting more are describing the same functional activity of moving on a slope cutting the grass on a  slope the actual pieces of equipment that the departments are requesting are significantly different in their capacity their ability to to handle different slopes and different the departments they were requesting that and then provide me with actual cut sheets of the products that they were looking at different things like that ok very good thank you i just wanted to know if it was the same exact piece of understand this equipments so they have to provide us with a lot of information on what is being replays condition a usage would be planning to ask just the title of that maui timeshare venture i know it's not and the footnote below says not included in totals shown revenue is allocated for capital if it's a condition of zoning if it's required assessment that was developed in planning commission set forth conditions then we receive that money and the only section that we receive that money and that we come to believe to receive the money in is in grant revenue so we place that into what we consider our grant revenue section it's money from outside not sure if you look into it but there is an existing sprinkler system yes it's different for each condo each kind o had their own equipment that they actually put in the ground are you looking at just utilizing that until they break and then coming to a standard irrigation system or are you looking at replacing all of their stuff with the standard  was a replacement of the entire so you actually did replace the whole thing in the process and then that you talked about the adding more solar panels potentially at the community center are you talking about actually putting them on the roof for making more because you have more area to do carports over by the pool and i'm not sure where the which has the better there was only hiccup we had was our runs out of the key community center area for police and everybody means server port for that and we can shut down any power so i think that was a little delay as far as needed and so but they are still installing the panels but i see far as the time frame now it was the lead back because we were going to have to shut down power to all the whole center i'm a little bit more concerned about our what's going through there i guess  key infrastructure requirement for police chair from my understanding from the district and started serious problems already up on the roof so to tie in the panels to make everything live from my understanding which is why we haven't tied in yet is because there are other sources of power running through the within the complex like that to share where it is but some of that power is yes supplying m p t i can get that for sure but that is from my understanding coming from the company and the solar solar company and the bishop is to verify that because the police department just since they moved into their key facility there was a significant change it will come back at ten forty five or six members  think you chair so the golf course you'll see some minor adjustments in our agricultural supplies such as no monies for repairing maintenance services and contracts and primarily equipment replacement is the bulk of the additional cost request for this year so there's any questions  decent condition t v screens fairways hazards is is is is is that the right numbers first is what i'm go a number of rounds played by retirees and students year to date is sixteen thousand five hundred forty three for half a year and number of around my adult residence for half of the year ten thousand two hundred forty three because his daughter plays in travels so he has to come up with those additional expenses to move the required equipment for her his daughter's requirements so he may both but we're talking about  same challenge to get more players on the on the course itself mr grossman any questions in this program at this time not too many questions not chair but i do believe one of the factors for the no in the private industry is probably the green fees are less than our than our green fees at this point so i think we've got to give some latitude to the department in order to accommodate seasonal play additionally i think we need to look at also the the juniors that are playing i know that there was there was maybe a lack of communication when we did the fees for the juniors because we're currently as it stands they pay twenty dollars per month and if they don't want to get the monthly pass and it's two dollars a day but on the weekends the daily the daily two dollars doesn't count so they have to pay twenty dollars for the weekends so you know it's either there if they get the twenty for the month covers or they pay the twenty on the weekends and the two dollars during the week so i think we need to just stop portion but i am getting back to the the  nonresidents i think if we become more competitive with our rates we will see an increase of non residents coming to our puppet courses so thank you thank you mrs smith is that something you'd like hopefully to prevent another letter date the only reported that quarter's numbers so the nine thousand six thousand eight hundred nine hundred numbers you see there just that one quarter's amounts so for the year looks like they had about thirty six thousand or so in retirees and students about sixteen thousand in twenty six thousand in residence twenty five hundred in nonresiden two thousand and fourteen actual roans members was almost seventy one thousand rounds seventy thousand eight hundred twelve is what we got from the act as part of the maybe like state high school rotation for golf championships i don't know i would be chosen but i don't know why they wouldn't consider what i know they consider  beautiful public golf course and sort of recognize public over curse nationally so we have opportunities to elevate boyhood to a level that potentially can be a positive cash flow was cheering you on saying you know why are we even opened because look at these numbers but we figured out that they actually did have way more than the numbers are stated here so oh well not this year but sha helicopter rides or whatever but they're ok you know and they always had a good time the enjoyed the visitors as as i recall and having them on the course so it provides a service and there is a demographic of just really just rip everything out well i know you're going to shut stuff down but and just resized rather than try to work with something that's so weeded out or over whatever  mean after all the money's worth then whether it's fertilizers incommode poles whether it's the type of machinery and the man hours and on and on would it could we just go in rip it up put bread on nice new grass and pretty much instant lawn in a sense but i don't know if that's been and i know we have that research done by that that you know that those guys and they have recommendation happening for what i thought there was a lot of work needed but from what i was told for what it was to where it's at our superintendents did a great job to get it to where it needs to be and what you just discussed member talking about you know ha we're going to get biggest thing is that yes we are definitely in the prospect of shutting it down nine holes at a time limited the whole course because nine holes can still be played as eighty as we move around the tee boxes and from talking with our superintendent  it would take about at least a three month shutdown for it to get going back in and it is still be spotty in a sense of you know not food maturity getting that open and then running the other back nine in that  we are in the process of kind of see what options do we have to get that course to a national level where we can hold tournaments and bring that kind of plea to a public course publicly as course  aware again cost is always a factor and again the facility itself which is part of the c h p as we get to that point leader but the facility itself has not been touched or remodeled since it was its inception of  into like over six hundred thousand dollars worth of stuff you know that that adds up so just looking to see where we can cut costs down and yet in the end have a nice part of course for the  not just rent those but i guess everyone has their own particular personal club what have you and i kind of then thought equated it to a surfer people who are into shoes you know oh i on what was continued purchases because we believe the problem is the club what happened and this had happened in the surfing industry is because to haul your surfboards in from the mainland to the island it's it's causing as much as a seat right you know right so a shop like mine is where the you now can rent board they opt for that as a surfer i'd much rather have my own personal but you know for that kind of price oh make do with a rental i'm fair om so so of course me courses will offer a customer maybe like three to four of the pop brands to choose from because they have the revenues and the type of recognition and or it's a course that is known that people want to play so for this aisle it after the tournament of champions the demand to play a couple who opened the scene because people want to play a tournament conditions what the pros play a d there's a demand for that kind of condition you want to play the best that the pros play and see where they stand in there but one thing i will see in the last three years i have seen the torrey pines is another u s open quality caliber course public course they make one million dollars a year just in merchandise sales one million in  this is not club rent those this is me alone with t shirts sweaters hats golf balls with the c one million dollars a year resident so that the y is going to be a has this facility so that's where i'm hoping it'll go in the future they have examples of sister counties they can go visit and ask how did the approach marketing in french requirements to move those because they've got t v contracts they've got i mean it's just amazing how much they bring in their revenues and thank you for those points share because that i guess the heart burn for this is have to subsidize it by the millions improvements they're more open out to consideration every adjustments because they seen it on improvements you know they're not just being paid to pay more and and accepts that a school i think the department has made great efforts that if we are going to ask any solid plans as to what our options are so that concerning chad because i'm not sure when the last time you were on the course but one good many tsunami is going to take in maintaining and getting it better but if you lose those three holes that's going to be difficult so again if it was up to the department standpoint we would fix every just the regulation of restrictions because the ocean it's not as easy as just enough room to move the tee box a little closer to the cart path and we have a little room towards the back if need be but ideally we do want to have a solution and not keep moving the tee box and pushing it back but currently with the hole the length of the  hole we do have enough room to keep that distance in everything but again we do need to fix the problem the problem will stop so there is an issue the appropriate standing committee for additional review and work on key to think anything else on the go for christmas  or maintaining within the parameters that the county requires does your department have any responsibilities for these areas you know we have a  country contractor to provide those responsibilities for that particular area the land does maintain the supervision and maintenance of that area so our park rangers don't realistically go into  deputy i asked that because it wasn't clear to me that's why i'm asking this question realistically if i general public probably wouldn't be as clear for them those involved in that type on that area of me they do have some areas that i believe i want to see there is some can't be that blood just does maintain and monitor that you could apply to them as well but there is cited for that show you the preservation of that area or each site operates differently under different rules moneys to purchase the land on the county code requires certain deed or strictures be placed on the property so they would have to comply with those and i believe the parks department does periodically ensure compliance with those types of restrictions and if there's ever a complete lodge of the parks department i'm confident they follow up with the and the t thank you i think you are the seven that we are with building for him so thank you for that this cough i don't think it's here and i think we may be seen two different areas there jerry you're asking in reference to who pays the sixty four acres that we most recently purchased there no ok so that the old dairy section is the michaels alleges so we do have land that we buy and that was my kind of question in your type of question as how place was supposed to be involved and there's another organization of starch that was supposed to help work in conjunction with us county of maui to as you say chair you know groups neighborhood play soliloquy i think is no longer in his existence but some of the residents in individuals that came in testified have i believe they started a nonprofit the getting their act no additional questions in the gulf program area why don't we ask the department to give us i know you made some structural adjustments department explain the structure of structural adjustments first and then into the budget requests for seventeen please thank you chair so there's no operational changes in the palace program it's just that it would be required relocated and become a part of the recreation and support services program thank you for that so everything is just  activities let's keep planning and development programme any comments on this department so the same concept with planning and development as with the palace instead of its instead of it being its own standalone programme lateral transfer into the parks programme would give us a status please council this committee in the council supported your  for the consulting contract to move forward anticipate hopefully being able to finalize the terms of the contract probably within the next month maybe month and a half unless we can agree on some of the few items sooner once we get that done then we would move i think you chair so that parks maintenance is the large portion of the parks program section i was as let's discuss yesterday i think you any questions in this area members leaves us with the pools component of aquatics and that's proposed for the lateral transfer into the recreation and support services program you chair so with with the aquatics to be honest our primary focus has just been working on the ocean safety transfer and this is been something that we've been extensively working on now for  a few quite a few years at least since both the director and i have been involved in the parks department the next step for again really revealing the pools in the aquatics and kind of our department structure will be what we start moving into more now that we know that the transfer is actually going to be taking place and so with that we'll be able to get a little bit into a little bit more detail we've started an initial review and kind of knowing that you know when this change happens there may be some operational changes and adjustments to positions structure that will need to take place but we have not got into extensive detail on that yet determine to make an assessment regarding those additional positions for us thank you chair one thing we can say definitely with the clerical position is that currently exist as we desperately need that staffing to maintain operations even with ocean safety transferring out and we've been finding different ways you know to keep our operations and with all the paperwork processing to keep things moving the way that they are with the clerical support that we currently have but it's been a struggle for us with ocean safety and pools with the existing staffing that we currently  we definitely agree with the clerical support that fire is asking for to support ocean safety because it's a struggle internally as a department that we've been dealing with again at least since i have i've been with the department it's been a struggle to keep a aquatic section supported as it should be support with all the different you know whether it's requisition processing or auditing an input of time sheets and just all the different paperwork that goes along with supporting the nature of an ocean safety and pool lifeguard so you know i don't know if aquatics has any component i would assume golf course as a cash component rec centers community centers i get would assume there's a cash component in any other program areas permits would handle all cash transactions and other the david the requirements of the department for deposits and whatnot yes he is all your cash  currently under surveillance and or video part systems of course catching up with some of the deferred maintenance of the big ticket or big i don't know was number one in our priority was getting the heat of passion for the article which is known for its eight years or so finally pushed out and that is up and running so so that was kind of allowed so the department did move on it a little quicker on that but it is definitely on the works of getting some of their bleachers maybe not the whole entire bleachers but a partial portion of that cheated  best to get that up for sure there is another question there will be that opportunity possibly as well with the packers have had fees for the monies that we may be able to if you want to allocate for that particular use as well ok that was going to be my next question if that's an appropriate use of park assessment fees for this type of coverage whatever the bleachers so is that is that considered an improvement i  any further questions members well one thing i did want to discuss because it's part of the mayor's package submitted to council and this committee is one of his proposals  as your staff to prepare your your requirements there is a bill for an ordinance proposal from the administration that would amend chapter twelve point two four eight of them are we county code relating to the ordinance and then have them be there at the bottom of the project that maintenance and stuff with the department of public works and leave the parks tree maintenance stuff with the department of parks and recreation in section a paragraphs one in two are deleted there the portion relating to the requirement of the colony and staff be within the department of parks and recreation it was always a little strange to have a position set forth in the county code this is not to say that the positions to meet it or anything through this ordinance it's still an e p with the person in it so you know this is just speaking out reference to it in the county code mr director and source can see how any comments on this proposal we're not going to assume you're happy about it since you had less half the work for this area confusion with what was in what department and b in the parks department a lot of the issues from the street cheese you know going back and forth to sending our our community in a back and forth and on it in regards to chapter twelve twenty four a i believe it saw criminal penalty type thing i think it's a misdemeanor and twelve twenty four it covers of a variety of things relating to  provision can you give us some sense of how this is supposed to happen operationally i think you'd share my understanding is for the street tree component it will be with the department of public works complaints and everything will go to them and for parks matters it'll stay with the parks department of course the exceptional trees provision i've not never been one hundred percent sure on how that would work as it's a complain investigation type of matter and the parks department isn't necessarily equipped to deal with that type of thing so in general i believe for the major ones the street trees would go to public works and the parks matters would stay with the parks department th a it's an interesting discussion because if you look at what the context of the exceptional trees is it has more relation to to planning than it does to parks and you know that the sets an option that we're looking at they also have then enforcement officers and capabilities to be able to manage in case there is a complaint as well so it's kind of it's that discussion came out after we started discussing the actual arborist position so it wasn't included in our propose bill here but we have had some initial discussions with future discussions with the department of planning parks and political works to define more of what the future of the exceptional trees committee or the exceptional trees requirement which is the first before the tree and i don't want to keep sitting in additional claims litigation meetings because of a tree that should have been reef and it wasn't removed then becomes your friend into a burden on th wilco we can put in some language i'm assuming you would want that to apply as a general policy of the county and not just for street trees but also park trees correct any treaty that we have oversight when jurisdictional health and safety must be its paramount priority that's all i mean just curious because if i bought a place knol of a set in this property there's not even my next door i have to go water we eat and all this other stuff i know i wouldn't agree the existing arborists and a landowner who has taken care of a tree or has been attached to that tree or doesn't want to do have anything to do with that tree in the arbors comes in and says look i got to take this thing down or you've got to keep this healthy so there's been a lot of contention about who made and who actually is responsible for maintaining that tree and then when they when the officials come in and say well it's your responsibility then the owner has put some type of ownership to it and then when the arborist comes in and wants to cut it down or wants to assert authority there's conflict comes it so there's there's issues with that particular section and it's been in new in existence is just a matter of having the right type of personnel on the county side to deal with the public in a more accommodating way or having better public relations i don't know there they can be adjusted it can being resolved is just a matter of finding the right  o through our deliberations and see if this is something we're going to move forward so thank you to the mayor and his administration for proposing in another way to address this concern prioritization system that we've come up with when we have a quick make requests or priorities that are like we keep them all within the same number and then just do thirteen apc as many as there are so it's it would still be considered in  responses to the committee's requests thank you so much for being here members before you break for lunch i would tell you that after lunch at one thirty i am going to anticipate we'll bring in liquor department ford me opening comments you'd like to share with us good afternoon chair i don't have any opening comments were available for any question yeah just on the organizational chart to see you have a director at this point and what is the status and just just for my information we do not have a director at this point the commission has deferred decision making until the two new commissioner will be starting this month so their first meeting is on continuing to be planned with our enforcement section as far as the education and prevention it is something that i'm i'm personally interested in there we've been approached by the  prosecutor's office recently on a program called safer bars campaign it's it's not only for minors but it's more i think geared towards female patrons and their safety that female patrons are the risks that female patrons have when they get intoxicated in bars and restaurants hire incidences of assault and rape and that sort of thing and so about and then it gives them that opportunity then to explain what the program is about and to just have people be aware of the safety primarily the premises are inspected daily primarily in the in the evening hours but also at times during the day they rotate the inspectors are assigned areas  the start of their shift on a rotational basis we've been trying to have them go out in piers for safety and when they just conduct routine inspections working really hard on filling our vacancies there were several vacant positions in our in force in that section but we are in the process of trying to fill and keep them filled so we currently have more officers out in the field today than than we had in the past so that that could account for the increase in the number of infections just having more staff out there of the increase is due to direct shipment of wines each year it goes up approximately by that amount so we're just accounting for next year group control officer reviews the laws and regulations as far as minors and what they need to be aware of when they're working in a liquor license premises and then  we want both like i said the miner and the parent to understand the responsibilities of that and then they're issued a card in this curd will allow the minor to legally sell alcohol to meant less less staff out in the field and less inspections being done and less by a lease and so that might be a reflection of that of that time period  can you tell us what the department can do to increase the percentage rate of violations adjudicated the violations adjudicated  those are primarily the more serious violations so those are for primarily the over service cases and the service to minor cases if we do for example more minor de queijo operations those numbers would go up for the over service we do not only do we do the like but the daily inspections  where you know people may be observed to be intoxicated but we also follow up with the police department on their reports their dui reports and cases are generated from that as well but when i see i'm going down i'm questioning and then like the other one was the total permits issued which six hundred seventy two then dropped to six hundred then back to eight hundred is there a reason for that and i know you shouldn't whine but i don't think that was the only reason is that a big drop in a big increase the following year department the six hundred you are looking at was just an estimate permits issued to license premises existing licenses you're pretty much remain constant with that all class five category d employees have to be registered prior to employment because that is all twenty one years and older right and so just looking at past history it's always been somewhere around one sixteen and so right now i guess with jobs being less that is what's accounting for the low or the lower employment rate but as far as past history goes we would normally be around one sixty registering of employees because if they leave somewhere they go somewhere else they always have to they keep on being registered once they leave it's invalid their car the employer takes them off so when we're doing estimates were pasting it like on historical and then sometimes there is and you have to when we're putting in the estimate we don't really have the past one yet we're kind of like working two years ok explain to us on this proposed increases the two steps is because they haven't stepped since i believe two thousand and eight so in the new contract came about some people moved two steps because every three years or two years depending on what step you were on you'd step they didn't have retroactive pay but they were placed under proper step king july first so some people did move to step in within the next year they'll move this relocation of position become a one a one would become a two if they meet certain it's not a routine but they would be able to do that so we we budget for seeing what they might be currently where  recruiting at n l c at the time the trainee would have turned the one it was a filled position he would have turned the one on april first of this year so therefore when we did budget i present  because he would have changed to a two during fiscal year seventeen well apparently this person left became vacant after the budget was done so therefore it is a trainee and sometime zero zero two six had another vacancy because that is a limited term position else there are two six someone within the department already has return rights to it so we're always hiring at limited term so when we had a vacancy we had filled all our positions in december that had opened up so l c it's budgeted for a one because we foresaw that the trainee after one year would have become a one so that's why it's budgeted at a one but at the time i did the budget any limited term employees at this time no we don't have six is our only limited term position in the department and right now it's vacant and we're in the process of recruiting along with  have some comment regarding this please last year every year i put in fifty thousand for a vacation payout that's employees leaving the department either by way of resignation or retirement but we are required to pay them out in cash when they leave so because we have people who are there for a long time that could retire and so for our payouts it's going to exceed fifty thousand which happened this year we paid out a couple of employees more than a couple of employees who retired and resigned so we exceeded the fifty thousand and we because consul had cut the budget totally we're taking that money from our vacancies right now but every year we need to prepare in case there is a vacation pay out we need to have the money to actually pay them all and so that's what the fifty dollars and i'm asking to be store it thank you this department so is this a statutory requirement or contractual requirement the cash well that is their money it's their vacation so by i don't know if it's state law but by contract we have to they have the option i mean it's their money so if they haven't used it we pay them out  thirty thousand to seventy it's there's no explanations or or there's no change of script but what can you refresh my memory as to why that amount due has travel lot in what for and then my other question would be on the rentals on page nine dash nine one hundred eighty four thousand four hundred ninety two is that is that rentals for the that was just based on we've lately we haven't been traveling as much cell not as many people or would this be traveling for conferences but also the three thousand and the three thousand was just looking for money so that we could move it to was just in the we're just trying to to balance out the be economy put it in the proper objects so that minus three thousand and three thousand was to offset the miscellaneous cost sixty two t has uniform so when they enter into an establishment they're in uniform all of them are required to be in uniform except for the trainees once they're ones because the trainees are always with someone else that through the consultation process with the union and it was also approved by the liquor commission request for a vacation pay of fifty thousand just to cover ourselves last year the console got rid of it so i'm asking for it to be restored ok because we're using we're running on the o there's an increase for court reporting services for the commission as well as for the education board is that based on a contract that the submitted  increase in their contract as far as court reporting services while we have i'm sorry we have a court reporter that does the commission and board minette so we it was a twenty six  then console reduced it by twenty thousand to six thousand we've already exceeded that so the estimate of twelve thousand was based on five hundred per meeting five hundred for the board five hundred for the commission once a month and that is the twelve thousand so i'm just asking that the six thousand be restored where it was previously at twenty six thousand ok thank you  group thank you chair and thank you for allowing me to come in a little tardy due to a previous meeting scheduled thank you and so sorry if i missed some discussion but if i can just jump into the budget book at page three seventy two call three number one and what is a registration card for minors minors that are employed in liquor license premises so if they're under eighteen years of age they have to be registered with our department to work in a liquor license premises but they're not allowed to handle that like serve alcohol not not at that age but the older minors counseled the eighteen to twenty year olds can handle liquor ok and this card wools show that they do they have to go through the training class it's an interview more where the liquor control officer meets with the minor and the minors parent or guardian and goes over the rules and regulations and makes them referencing yeah i think these numbers are kind of tricky because so the first column are the actual numbers and then the next two are estimates so basically when we come up with the can look at the trend you look at what's happening now in the trend and you come up with an estimate for the future yeah estimates are just that they're there are best guess and these are in reference t  the my energy quality operation usually in the past has used undercover police officers to accompany the minor in the premises for to have a witness observe the transaction and also for the miners safety but the fun's for the police department have dried up their grant funding so we've been working with them trying to get them to see what we can do you know to get them to be able to participate again the other option that we're  exploring right now we haven't made any decisions on yet is the use of body cameras so that you know the transaction can be observed and you know of course our officers are right outside you know but  it's difficult we can't really send our officers with the minor because they're recognized by the crisis in c s so we're trying to figure out different ways but right now actually the last word i heard is that we are in contact with  the police department again and trying to see how we can work something out but we do need to have that you know that that observer there so that's part of what why the numbers i think have kind of tapered off with the minor decoys up just generally i know because there are other programs that we were involved in that are no longer in existence so i know just i think state wide ones and even federal the money is just not there so we have to look for other ways to  regards to some kind of funny going to the education not just about you know your your permit the lace and sees you know rules and regs but just for the public you know responsible drinking you know alcohol abuse and things of that nature so so it's kind of a catch twenty two i know but again it's all about safety health and welfare of this community there's a new way to make that co exist i think that be the best of both worlds and no one wants miners consuming was that we had requested last year didn't get approved so we got less money approved and all of that money that was approved were already over budget so when we projected for next year we tried to project the its use for education education of the licensees and that's part of the cost of education you have any comments that pretty some departments have others don't but i would ask if you had a comment regarding the one point one million dollar overhead cost allocation charges being assessed to this department well for the department of liquor control as you know there was a lawsuit filed several years ago i can remember what year that it was finally settled but that that lawsuit placed a cap on the overhead for the department of liquor control and so my understanding is that that's that's what we're paying is we're paying the maximum under that settlement that covers the french benefits of their employees as well as some of their overhead as far as the full cost allocation plans designation thank you association and they alleged that their fees were being paid because under state law the group fees can only be be used for liquor purposes and so the allegation was that their fees were being use for something else other than the purposes so they filed the lawsuit and then out of that lawsuit came a settlement agreement that kept them out of the overhead or the amount that the county could use for something for other county purposes basically ok ok i just spent a while i guess because i i forgotten about that one i think it's old it's an old agreement i can't remember the year so maybe i wasn't here that time members a chair will allow you one more chance for any questions to be presented to the department of so we had six p m to receive comments on the budget from our so my we district people before we start with the review of the prosecuting attorney's department and mr department from the council it is a random thing we should be audit team everybody on a random basis we do planing i think we did portions of us public works at one point and just  a continuation of council doing its oversight and financial accountability component as provided by the charter so that we part of the church is proposal for this coming year that the  council's auditing efforts beyond the control and see how we can make definite improvements in this area stating that mr buzz opening comments on the department of prosecuting attorney i think here as well the department starts on page five hundred eighty seven of your proposed budget document so you will be starting off in that section and will open the floor to our the director of the attorneys and their sixty support staff and i'm glad to take any questions thank you mr kim before i ask the members for their questions mr kim in regards to areas on the prosecution and community protection and it not necessary they seek guidance or comments from people like yourselves on the impact to your department your staff  potentially how we are to pay for certain changes in statutory requirements so are you can you give us comment of what you're aware of that the legislature or the state has that cases were increased from misdemeanors to felonies that didn't impact us to greatly because we have a unit of four attorneys handling those types of cases as well as misdemeanor child demands so once it became a felony they would also handle that case we anticipated that we keep it at that level and so we had a we've always had a unit and we use that unit to train no other deputies up and coming from district court there are other court rulings that have occurred that we had to readjust and assist the police in certain areas and one was to ninety one east sixty eight which is made it a petty misdemeanor for anyone to refuse to submit to a blood or breath test so there to determine the blood alcohol in the court we recently ruled on that too coercive and so  we've molly county police department has responded quickly and timely and so we haven't lost many cases or any cases that and all of that we are from the forms were to coercive in that matter a second big issue right now before the ledge is going to impact actually my police department more so is mandatory testing of all these sex assault rape kits and where that's a big factor that's going on and a third would their victim witness division has complied with the bill of rights the victim of victims of crimes under that chapter and so i did not see a need to incorporate that into our constitution or hawaii state constitution it's the way it's read it could be so it doesn't distinguish between felonies and misdemeanors so we would have to beef up our victim witness sent section to inform all crime victims and i would also include you know everything from shoplifting to assault in the third degree the whole gamut and department so under goal one number one is this part of what you are talking to us in your earlier comment and tell us so we're very clear what is the vertical attorney or team of two attorneys and so that they're not passed on from attorney to attorney and so they need to tell their story over and over again this is more sole and very sensitive types of cases that so we have a vertical prosecution they take it says the police in their investigation and they take the case from inception to the end that's vertical that's very or isn't it would be if i would take a case sensitive cases again you know the more intimate factors that impact and have a determination or outcome better than we do mr kim but that tell me why time for budgetary purposes but why would you not shoot for eighty four percent or better or two thousand and seventeen are there factors that we are not aware of that is driving this different number which is lower than your previous success rate we have had issues with trying to enhance penalties and recently we've had two cases that is have impacted that result so in case and then if they if the grand jury brings back a true bill like then we also have to present the status of that defendant or that accused so that we could have the enhanced sentencing so at trial we would have to do the same thing would have to go to trial prove the case beyond a reasonable doubt if the jury convicts then we would go to them to say ok these are the facts and circumstances of their hand since we need you to find beyond a reasonable doubt if anyone has sat through a jury trial especially a long trial involving either attempted murder or murder or assault by the time you're done with your verdict and then all of a sudden you're now told you've got a comeback actually if you actually see the faces on the jurors and i've lived through that once and we just have to move on and not and not do the second part right like i said you are aware of the intricacies in frayne are details that many of us that is where we ask you the questions to give us common to have face of the department and has to go to court but the people who do the most work are our support staff basically they get trained every day internally we don't have  we have some county training that we can send them to and i'll gladly do that and does also training for supervisors and that we want to send them to most recently we had training on the mainland which one of the sand our super users in our records management system and for one reason or the other they just didn't want to go  i know if they felt intimidated by by where the training was was to be held or what the subject matter was but these are my basic asks experts in the office and for them i judge peson just got on board and we were facing him as the new t v judge but that's good that you have more attorneys in that division and i was a high burnout  old time uniforms and was wondering if that was updated yet ok so is there or way to get that going you need additional monies to get a new policy handbook together for the employees this is in reference to continuing training for all employees i think that would help is that something that you can assign a clerk or in right now additional right now we would need an assistant for my office manager with all the different tasks that she's been performing so yeah we could use a second person we are facing some retirements and so she basically puts it on herself to train all the other employees and she has some some assistance from the other supervisors but that's that's been something we've been talking about right now to see what where we where the budget takes us and this is been ongoing even before your time that's correct and so i think it just has a suggestion chair i would hope that you would leave behind a great legacy to update that policy hand ok and that would be something that you would leave behind no other prosecutor prior to you has gotten to update the policy handbook so our employee handbook so i think that would be a great goal and could be part of your budget next time around in terms of page five ninety four i'm looking at the rentals the additional own is this the what is this rental twelve thousand one seventy two is the rental is for the three three three wall street or the old rent basically all as well as we also pay the electric electric electricity for our half winter survey that also going up on the oil prices stay the same  on five ninety four but that's ok i don't have any on that what occupies that space is the victim with this center will we send our child victims as well as our other victims to be prepped for trial or presentation of cases we also how it's not only the victim when his counselors but three investigators ok oh that's that's good to know what did they use the safe downstairs for now and then on the back that's the downstairs is being used by the explorers children explores what the safe you may be talking about is the one in the prosecutor's office yeah right we have to say so one is was like a female lounge or a lounge for the of second position that's grant funded by the burns grant which runs this year is for drug prosecutor to screen cases screen drug cases and prosecute drug cases and that's by and large the most number of cases coming out from the police department from patrol to vice division and the rest is general prosecution prosecution of all the crimes we have three attorneys per court room where four court rooms in a team street corner one two and three has three tourney's a team leader who's been designated as a career criminal prosecutor one funded by the state partially and the rest of funded by the county and then there's one there's a one attorney in each of the court rooms for courtrooms designated as a drug attorney belonging to the drug to the overview valsin there's one supervisor will handles the high profile cases as well as homicides and so we we have one family court attorney who does the juvenile prosecution that was and then we have five attorneys assigned to the district court division which prosecute traffic offenses as well as criminal offenses in all the districts including lineup and  the prosecution so that there's no allegations that we're only prosecuting people who have these assets so that we can see we keep it separate and that's the general description of it all i'm sorry to dedicated ninety percent of our cases and there's like ten percent that actually go to trial we had less trials when the drug court program started back in the ninet got up and running when we diverted lot of defendants who were nonviolent who had a drug addiction were committing crimes lots of them we didn't catch them for drugs we caught them for property crimes and so they were diverted into that program and we've not had as many trials as other at least percentage wise as other county prosecutors that it does i mean we settle our cases we try to divert as many as as we can so that we don't crowd our prisons and that has become an issue of prison overcrowding  attorneys what is the caseload now as it are you guys at par have you because i know that there was some back fog prior to last year so was that taken care of or you guys up to taking care of all that sac log that we we negated we really don't have a backlog that we had prior most of the backlog was in the drug cases i've asked them to look at back three years to see where they are with those cases and basically they're done where we've been what happens is now because of the information charging which came about a while ago we depend on our police department to be a review those cases so we've been able to move those cases along fairly quickly especially the cases that are just coming in to our office that initially we have a suspect and we react to them a lot of the cases i know that they have the counts in each division on the different backlog cases it can i get a count on the current backlog numbers and it's easily done it's i forget what the system is but where just where yes just where you can print those out and just like would like to compare this year to last year's and additionally the one added attorney that you're requesting for highlight in general prosecution is sick you know other than that we we did make that milestone in the number of cases they were prosecuting as well as been able to assist the police department in some regarding the attorneys requests is that for which program area on no on the need that were questing the one position would be in district court for district court  be sent to the counties to assist us in the prosecution of george related cases is that something foods are willing to consider and do yes if that passes once the dispens licenses are issued and monies are being collected we will be asking for monies for enforcement on the what we've seen in other jurisdiction is the increase in not only social services but the suspected individual who's operating a vehicle under the influence of marijuana that has to be sent not only to want to lou but they send it off to the mainland for analysis and that would mean bringing back to be anywhere's from four to five thousand dollars per witness yeah i would add i would ask you to consider that as potentially one future potential source of some revenue for your specific money that they would think would be available on the enforcement side those who flee education say before i ask the members for questions under operations of equipment yet we have a drug free policy also is a probation is i'm not supposed to be on drugs or alcohol and so that needs to be in force be limited to patients suffering from specific diseases as well as diagnosis the ledge decided to water that down to anybody in chronic pain and so that opened up the doors to a lot of different patients which courts have taken a very keen look at to to decide whether or not they're truly suffering so we've had  why are we allowing our employees to operate under the influence that that's the same argument we use in the courts of when our probation or once has applied for medical marijuana card and is in debilitating pain they all restitution on the order to get the go to school or get a job and when the courts have looked at the background of these defendants is look if you are in such pain debilitating pain how can you even function on a day to day basis to even get your education or to go to a job to work and how you going to get there how are you able to operate a motor vehicle and so those are the types of questions that are that we asked the court to to to get a straight answer and by and large the courts have been denying these probationers their medical marijuana cards or the as a condition of their probation to actually allow them to smoke marijuana and so we we question the value or the need for that type because if you go to a doctor you get your tooth extracted your leg broken and they give you pain medication on the medic on the bottle says do not operate and saw you know we we can see what's going on and we don't  violence domestic violence training in our schools and you heard from the department of liquor control the university of mali has a program that they're pushing forward with safe bars and that's an educational program that we want to try to prevent sex assaults from all over the served or intoxicated patrons at a bar sometimes they feel like they're drugged through our training we and what happens is the appeared to be consensual with respect to if there's a sex act that goes on but the victim will not remember anything that happened nothing at all and the it also happens when a blackout period where the victim is totally intoxicated our eyes are open but nothing's registering and they don't remember what happened until after and so we've seen videos where people have use eyedropper to drop it in patrons drinks when they're not even looking or they could be sitting right next to each other and you turn your head to drops and it's done or they just keep buying you drinks into you drunk out of your mind and so we want to partner with some of these bars as well as the bartenders and the managers so that they can spot was going on there or there are more in control of the other thing is the violence in in schools or dating violence and that sort of thing i believe the  philosophy is to get to them while they're teenagers to teach them more respect for each other and to make sure that you know it was your sister or your cousin you wouldn't want them to be treated the same way so you don't treat others in that manner approached our office to ask us to assist and participate in training in that program the cost will be borne by you each mile the only cost that we would incur licensee especially if it's another customer trained to drug another customer that's correct so seeing that is this part of the evolution of those brief parties for this type of activities we've seen this type of behavior throughout the history of liquor establishment is just that we've become more aware of the techniques being used on victims on by predators and soft because we get more educated to educate the public and teach ins to be more more aware of their surroundings and what's happening you know i guess when we grew up in the seventies and eighties that was unheard of but sixty's are some of us mr coach you have a question for mr kim in the same mr goodman a question for mr kim at this time yes i was looking at the the new position  deputy prosecutor for the district court here ninety four thousand two hundred ninety five and this is based on the scale i how do you come up with the ninety fourth as ninety four thousand to ninety five for line deputy in district court there was eight months worth of salary the top would be one thirteen yeah and change  eight months where i can either start off a deputy at the fresh out the law school or i can get one who's experience and can assist us immediately in doing that we've had rotations in our department deputies that actually make more money than the supervisor we have an appellate attorney assigned to that division to assistant to make sure that you know we don't want to be inundated with appeals just from the district court level and so if they learn their basics learn and keep up with the case law that's coming out especially in cases like speeding and operating under the influence we can avoid those situations and she's done an excellent job in doing so and so on we try to get so that we can get the quality attorneys the philosophy behind district court is to train deputies who haven't had a criminal prosecution background if we can get them in there and trained what i want to do is get them to be able to hold down district court relieve one deputy to  sis a felony deputy who's going to trial so that they can get the felony jury the jury trial experience instead of being stuck in district court doing one hundred twenty five cases every week and he comes in every day as you know all right i just asked our supervisor what's your caseload at this point we get twenty five cases each to screen that's five deputies and soul the only reason i'm asking is that you're indicating ninety four thousand to ninety five for your additional deputy escort and then corporation counsel came in the last two week asking for three new deputies and he requested under two dash five for each of the deputies and corporation counsel seventy five thousand four hundred thirty six so you know there's different styles on the edge or front styles of management  assume the other question i have is also a corporation council has listed all of their deputies at one hundred thirteen thousand and same with your deputies all of them are at one hundred thirteen thousand but that's not what they're actually being paid that's correct so what do you do with the difference when you're asking for the higher amount in the budget ok like for example let's just take p eight zero zero actually being paid fifty six thousand or eighty thousand based on the scale whatever scale that person is on you know according to the years of practice so what do you do with the difference because you're asking for i don't know i don't know what exactly is that person's exact pay right now as whatever the difference is what happens to it in just the in for me there was a time when my department did not pay overtime to our support staff  because it was budget i the all that money comes out of the economy for operations and so my support staff is getting people overtime in the needed so than to transfer the money to overtime while it is know i don't have an overtime budget precinct and so that being said wouldn't it make more sense if you're going to ask for an additional deputy is to ask for additional clerks because i know once you add in a deputy there's the division we've had the prosecutors the deputies assigned to that vision doing more of the the work actually doing reviews of running through the various background checks and whatnot  having them actually type up their complaints and making sure his accusers are type type type up my own complaint and i'm just trying to get them to do that and have the secretaries proofread it they type their inundate the courts with all their cases but we've been able to work with our circuit court to actually get that program up and running on electronic filing the discovery now is going to have at least in circuit court  we're going to eat discovery with respect to making it digital digitize it instead of photocopy those things and soul my deputies are doing more work on more of that  console we we i understand the need for the secretaries and the support staff but budget being what it is we sell it works  would be in favor of using the additional monies that you know that are really accurately reflected in the budget to pay the deputies and use that money to hire more clerks and i would be supportive of longer have a medical examiner or  drug testing that's that that goes to one a little because we don't police the does not have a forensic chemists to testify secondly and thirdly i would say the costs of bringing somebody from one a little to testify for all are all you i cases where they've selected a blood tests is that of a breath test breath tests and that's at least two thousand dollars every time we bring in  forty five thousand dollars the lab in honolulu was not resort or fido they chose not to be certified because it was bought up by a bigger lab for  or homicide cases and we have to bring in those witnesses it's going to cost us cost the department money with these experts so you forensic  there's two i believe one in california and one in pennsylvania we've yet to use the pennsylvania lackey so either a clinical lips in hawaii or it is shipped out of state that's correct because i don't remember this when  forget what they're called so everyone is clear i think that in a community the police chief is the official coroner of the county that's correct medical examiner which is not the coroner is a license i actually forensic pathologists who have to be board certified as pathologist and so they become the medical step in the shoes of a medical examiner appointed by the coroner any county with a population of over cancer place and she was working here for a while and then i guess she got a better offer in in the big island and so she moved prior to that there was no law that stated she needed a forensic pathologist to perform these autopsies so dr hayling used to do that and dr king was also the physicians who did all of the medical exams for the police department but once that law changed with talking about the testimony of a toxicologist as opposed to a forensic pathologist i think the forensic pathologist would the cost would be the same would stay around two thousand that's correct okey is this  so why you asking us for more money in your transportation company object code this is also to mitigate the cost of your for in sick requirements that you know that's for conflict cases where we've been asked to bring them to do work here soon if we have a conflict say one of my deputies becomes a victim of breaking up off a car or something like that we need to pay the costs of the but just briefly mr cain can you and there was some advertisements on the radio and some of the attorneys that were advertising that due to a supreme court case then or implementation was found to be unconstitutional this was that the result of and p d or the prosecutor's office i know that  prosecutor's office does educate and advise and p d and various procedures to make sure that it stays within the parameters of the constitution so i'm not sure if that is something we can discuss on the floor or that as a result of anything i guess what i'm trying to find out is an explanation of what that was all about the state versus one that came out this said that the warnings that a person received in a sitting county on a lulu being suspected under the influence of an intoxicant they were to choose whether or not they unconstitutional as two courses in the supreme court ruled last year and the beginning of this year yeah that's course and now we've had motions filed in cause that you are under the influence they can revoke your license for a year just based on the on the police report so that still does not address the issue as to the complex city of the dui cases at this point as well as the speeding cases because the evidence is dependent upon a measuring device of machine to call or an instrument so i take and just looking down the line at what were deleted as the ones that you know have huge drops or actually end you know higher yields and the funding totals so the two that have dropped to zero as in particular they seem to be quite substantial type programs so how's that going to affect us all is it because  minus out it doesn't break down what the description is of those two programs criminal justice information systems program and then justice reinvestment initiative program the criminal justice  information systems program we hired and analysts to assist us in upgrading our records management system so that we could electronically speak with not only the state but the police department that because of the philosophy of our county that position was moved to i t and so i t is taking over that position she now works on the i t assigned to our office as well as other departments and so that was the point to a position that was given over to drop in a piece for the our department and as you recall last budget we moved fifty one thousand into account for them the justice reinvests reinvestment initiative program that was governor a e platform and we got two additional victim witness counsellors when they were addressed seen the fact that we should not no longer have probation for five years but four years is is about right we have too much prison overcrowding in the sentences should not be mandatory they should be given the discretion more discretion to the judges not to the hallway pro north already that hasn't happened but as part of this reinvestment in trying to get these prisoners program that out county stood up at that committee hearing and said look in order to have these prisoners rehabilitated and make themselves feel whole they should pay restitution back to our victims and we need victim witness counselors to keep track of that because right now most of our efforts go to violent crimes and not to  to victims of property crimes so we had these two positions and they were to track any and all property crime victims and sure that they got the restitution orders freestanding restitution orders and they were to see this column so the victims on how to turn those restitution orders into civil judgment so would last ten years just in case that defendant came into and so they could grab that as a civil judgment but that program was delayed in the governor releasing those funds and so that's what you see we were on the tail end and that money ran out so no longer than those two bodies that were tracking these kind of things are no longer that's correct that's too bad we lost a grand funding and that's one of the reasons why it's real difficult for me to try to hire on the grants unless i can convince the county to make room for all to actually start to fund those positions and  the past done that we have we used to have three career criminal prosecutors and slowly but surely the funding got cut but the councils saw fit that we needed to have a career criminal prosecutors unit and they've actually taken up two positions ok yes thank you i just you know i wanted to know what those men and how it affects our work and looking for one result is we've got and sold you know and we've learned that mark program of that program and so we can pass that on oh that's good then we just got to work harder and use it as for property type crimes but that's that's what we wanted because our efforts before the jr i was to focus on our big violent crime victims they needed the most services but i mean as in restitution that was except for one can call for the salaries of all the positions that they fund that one program is the career criminal program is only partially cause the salary and benefits and we have to supplement that so we fund one position completely open a portly fun partially the state grant covers part of it they cover the majority of the costs of the  would see that sixty percent of your cross the state covers i believe it's like more like seventy seven by seventy five percent it's very we were not in the position of some of the other counties where they've actually had permanent positions used by the on career criminal program and so when the jag grant starts to get from six million to now two million in there and there they are hurting but our council in the past saw fit to adopt the program and make it part of of the department which we're really glad that the council saw fit to do that sorry mists went over and it's in regards to the establishment of the environmental court and i guess the status as an it states a working group or report will be will be done implemented five nine one external factors description at the top of the page and so just where is was the status on this that at this point and that would be the people milena natural resources violations and saw i guess we've got to get on home district court supervisor and or the staff to get those numbers for you for the council so the should remain the same so far we haven't seen a real great increase in those cases seven you may have asked what was your question i just wanted to know what their anticipated increase for office rent so are you renting outside of that particular building your rentals are yes ma'am we were in the old building we actually built the victim witness center and that's that's where it is all right thank you any other questions for mr kim kim any closing comments you wish to share with our like to thank the consul in the this committee for supporting our department thank you very much for your presence this afternoon being no further requirements for the day we are going to adjourn we do have a six o'clock in so my week to receive their comments on the budget and then