aspect of the appeal you're seeking to withdraw in the proceeding before the district court which is now closed we as we all know there's a separate appeal on the merits but how about still running on the merits appeal you you have filed a notice of appearance and the civil information sheet and summary of the case indicating that you intend to proceed representing your clients in the in the merits  before him a motion to withdraw wish brings you here today you indicated you could not reach any of the individual point of sin therefore you did your best to try to show to the court that let me let me ask you i've read the transcript of the evidence you're hearing and it seems their fair share shows his main concern was to determine whether the federal litigation was authorised by the appropriate people and that's one of the reasons why he wanted your retainer agreements have you provided everything to him that he requested either at that hearing or subsequently demonstrating that you were authorized to bring the suit i have provided i think there's a retainer agreement there's more if you provided all the retainer agreements that he asked for zachariah for the individual ok but since then he also asked for the current status of the individual members as to whether they supported the litigation or not is that correct for affidavits from each plaintiff individual plaintiff saying whether they wanted me to go forward ok and in view of the issues about affidavits it's impossible for me to well have you attempted for instance you have the power of subpoena to depose these individuals you can you can make them come in right i can even locate the individual well i think with a private detective you could probably locate them and you could subpoena them and make them come in so if judge sanchez is not satisfied that you have demonstrated you were the the willingness of the individual plaintiffs to have you as their attorney i can see why he would be hesitant to let you out of the case and not have an attorney in in your stead to represent them on the other hand the rhone apparently is is anxious now i'm not interested at all in your relations with the room that's irrelevant to what's before us but if she's willing to come in what's the matter with that i think plaintiffs would not like that stuff to then that's not up to you right it's not up to me but certainly they've been subjected to threats of violence like well i he said either they or me ok right now why is that an abuse why is that an abuse of discretion that's really the issue before our court and the motion to withdraw why is the read in your agreement not good enough for these folks to hire to talk to the few that i can locate that meeting together they're under threats from when it a taxi driver retires here generally states a lot of them have returned to the states that gone to the states with their children leave or they go back ok well the ones who are here subpoenaed the new ones who are not here i would presume that that having lost contact with them that perhaps they are no longer interested in the litigation many of them still interested ok now let me take you to the next step and you filed the notice of appeal for four or five of the individual plaintiffs record ok now that let notice the appeal was from the decision at least on the merits and which i think believe because we don't have r basis for oil doing that the judge sanchez abused his discretion and not allowing you to withdraw is partially based on the proposition that you no longer your presence in the litigation no longer serves a meaningful purpose correct now how could how can that be so when i saw fit the phone appeal like i said i still have moral and ethical obligations but i don't see it serve  a purpose in the district court case when the judge says i can't go forward without the affidavits but i can't withdraw either you say did i got an answer he stated in response to my earlier question that it was your intention to continue representing these clients on appeal cannot communicate it's impossible to communicate and they you were unable to even get an affidavit in the district court confirming that they were authorizing you to represent them and continue in the litigation below much less here representing you can play a meaningful role in the appeal of these four individuals at the same time that you're arguing for purposes of this motion to withdraw that you're unable to play in meaningful role in the representation of these individuals in the district court well just ok so maybe it takes is back to judge crosses original question if you're content to represent the parties that indicated you've did you represent the nurse appeal that cases before our core isn't a question of whether or understand that a script sput this is if this is a very finite legal issues before this panel and it's your motion to withdraw before judge sanchez i mean this seems to me it is a real question as to whether or not  stay on the case in the third circuit do you want to be able to withdraw before a judge s are you representing to us that you have been in contact with the four individuals you purport to represent on appeal and they have each individually authorized you to represent them on appeal and these same individuals were unwilling to give