area relief fund and the fund is now closed this is for the flood relief we ran it through the richmond area food shelf and use their tax id number so the kids the community service  huntington hall to richmond and jonesville which is the same community served by the food shelf we raised a total of sixty three thousand six hundred twenty eight dollars and sixty nine cents some of that was matching for people who work for lawyers wh matching corporate sponsorship which was great but most were private local residents just giving money there were twenty one applicants total and one pulled their name out after applying because they were able to get funding on their own so they chose to withdraw their application remaining twenty up with cancer all funded based on a formula which i reported a couple months ago is the same formula was used in every round of the finder so the way it was calculated was the amount of loss from the flood minus the amount that the property own from received from flood insurance minus the amount they received from fema and that got their net and recovered loss and we did a formula that figured out what the percentage of that versus everyone's loss was and recover the loss and they got that percentage of the fund up to five thousand dollars we kept it at five thousand dollars that's the maximum so so essentially if you're on recover lost his temper sent of all of the twenty people who applies loss than you got to ten percent of the fund but only up to five thousand dollars that way we were able to give everyone the most there were three rounds of checks that when al because we gave them out in the end of november i think and then there was more money coming in and at the very end there was a couple hundred dollars left we had to save a couple  hundred dollars for taxes and accounting that the food shelf were required to pay to manage this to their accountant so we we held that and so there was two hundred dollars in fees for them to you know to the doing an audit of what the for their taxes and the last i think there was about one hundred dollars in addition to that they came in after we had allocated all the money we just donated to the food shelf rather than trying to divvy up one hundred dollars between twenty people it wasn't really worth that and we figured they could make the best use of that so that said i'm just waiting for the last statement from the bank to come through and then it will become then the bank account will be closed the food shelf has all the documentation and handed that over to them and i'm just waiting on the last bank statement thanks to the community really  a great show all in favor of michael lang continuing as town service officer what's the date of the service runs from april fifteenth to it before to next some of these issues and then i went and asked halfling to prepare a sort of a conference of memo about the interactions between green sea systems and the town which hopefully this accurately represents if you have you to give a full history of all of the interaction between greens in town but the house we handle this in my inclination is to let mr can a man speak first and then and the more engaged public another the other violation had to do with the testing of equipment on the area surrounding the building and and that that is the the most recent  violation and but the only active violations that that are placed how there was a previous violation of the should last november for again for blockage of that area which screen c then did comply with any questions about th sea systems in the property attendee smain green system where green system green sea is located we've been in business since two thousand and six our company designs and develops components and systems from an underwater vehicles we do some one man and some other unmanned vehicle were a little bit of very a little bit of land but we were almost exclusively underwater the types of vehicles we work with or of these were mostly operated vehicles like we saw during the transocean debacle about a year ago and a ton of the sphere pools which are commonly used by the navy and by commercial explorers for shipwrecks search mine countermeasures unexploded ordinance work that type of thing  the core of our business is developing control and the big asian systems for these types of vehicles we developed a technology early on when we first started which our entire business is built on that allows our company being very small to products as well as a commercial product that is manufactured by mode which is a thirty five billion dollar company year worldwide sales so our technology allows us to operate on a very large scale we started in two thousand and six we moved the company to richmond in two thousand and nine we decided to expand in two thousand and ten and against a lot of the urging and quite attractive offers we chose to expand in richmond because my wife and i live here are be here we bought the building about this time last year will made an offer on the building about this time last year close to sometime in the summer moved in and we're happy to be here the we have nine employees that are building and we are looking to grow in coming years the issue it stake tonight is we have a part of our property which is on the east side that goes to the fence is as been used i guess for a long time as a cut through an access to the municipal parking lot between us and scott from our point of view the most common use of that piece of property now that we're there is to couple and that causes some real safety concerns for us it's a very narrow passage it's not controlled monitored forced in any way it is private property so we've had a couple close calls safety was we my son and i were brushed by a car coming through they're coming to light my son's two years old we've had equipment hit while we were loading trucks we often load out to get a test on deco center or a local high school or at uva and we use that area to help us stage equipment loaded into our truck we've had equipment that we've got a couple close calls employees and the most recent was i guess now about three weeks ago we didn't employ a walking from their car which was parked in one of his own parking spaces over to the handicapped ramp on the side of our building our employees not and but he was walking in the handicap around and a car wing through there dodging the light and just our employee and employer you know kind of got flustered and threw up his hands and the driver turned around and gave a very kind gesture indicating that as far as they were concerned they had the right away on that particular  road so i got fed up with it and i had a concrete barrier put up to stop the traffic it's a safety hazard and it puts me at risk it's all the employees at risk and it puts anybody using that area at risk so we have been talking to zone ing and the town to try to engage in a discourse on how best to proceed with this but the conversation has from our point of view seems to stalemate because the conversation always centers around do we have the right to limit access to that property or do we have the right can we stop traffic and we assert that we do have the right on perhaps many grounds but most importantly to me safety i can no longer put my employees at risk so now i'm facing a violation and that's fine but is keeping on poise safe in this woman in that tree through traffic so what i'm here to ask this like border tonight is and i've written letters stating as much and we haven't zoning permit or an application into the town now for the these considerations we and then we can change the conversation and the permanent process to what we can put in that area if we can put anything the dislike towards roll out also defined to me gave i finally a factor of law about the jurisdiction of the be you know as a point that you brought up about about whether you have the right to to make that initial determination and then and then whatever process comes comes on that you could review with the jurisdiction of the select board would be in this case partly it's a matter we're trying to do is there's this one gap between a parked car and the edge of our building that is a thoroughfare it's sometimes feel like it's the interstate for all that we're trying to do is just block that we're in no way changing a parking plan or anything like so but i need to provide for the safety of my employees and i feel that i have the right to do so as a property of and quite frankly so f area blocked off and then we can get on the right foot with the d or b and zoning to determine how best to accomplish this not if we can but how best to accomplish because i believe the safety issue it's my problem right now but it could be real to him if somebody got hurt  and what the process is and then on the other side with the testing of equipment how that came about i always try to have people voluntarily trying to avoid having a notice of violation i e you know whether it's a safety issue or not it's not for me to decide it's for the g r b to decide what is best in terms testing of equipment ever mentioned and then i received a letter from going see must have been two weeks ago i don't remember the exact date fortunately but when he was giving the narrative about why they want block access or why they did block access to the states the testing of equipment and whatnot so it didn't come from anyone else other than green sea voluntarily saying that it was going on so  as soon as we put up a barrier i sent a letter to the town saying hey i did this and this is what when there's only so much space those things are definitely took any money when i dish out to us to put something out on the sidewalk or perhaps a bit later on like yeah you can do certain things that don't require permits to a certain thing that you require permits like sandwich boards don't require permits to songs you bring them in at night it's permanent things work require a permit to have so yes technically those things are required and i tried my best to be as even handed to everyone everyone money in this town right now bringing a lot of jobs in here and a lot of very high put page employees that spin that two maybe three meals every single day to do all their shopping in the store doctor everything else it is so difficult to do business there but the i have full respect for the process and procedure we work with the government every single bit of respect for the process and procedure i also have a lot of respect for just discourse and in a town this science i find it very difficult to believe that i can't do something like this on a piece of property that i own and operate without getting too violations in this one picture and that i have to go through all of this to put to make my property and mine ploys safe without being able to just have a conversation and from a business owner i found extraordinarily i would like to propose that the slick or mr can we do this because this is exactly the kind of business we want to have in richmond this is exactly what richmond needs provision says and i think that we need patient front of the g o p to remedy or at least come to some sort of an agreement or outcome for the barrier is the second issue of the robot testing i received a letter i got to meet us this morning saying that they were not going to be testing any more little box outside so therefore that part office that is a concern for me we should be welcoming people in this building to come in and work with the town officials to make this a really good town to live and work in and o there's a broader safety issue with the whole intersection that's for another time but so i'm just trying to figure out what where that is right now so there's no history  t it doesn't make any statement about the right of way specifically one way or the other right if we simply exist and so that is the issue at hand and so the  the the jurisdiction over that doesn't want the or the so that's the way that that's the next step regardless of how you go and we spoke with the former owners of the business and the property and they said very clearly that it was a bane of their existence from day one that traffic through there but they've chose to keep it open and they even took it a step further and paved it made it nicer for traffic because it benefited their business it made it easy for their business which relied on high volume typically quick traffic when they were the size they were to be able to get in and out easily conveniently and so they did not like it they said there was safety concern for safety concern if safety concerns complaints from customer of course the people it was to but they just keep it open for the benefit of their business so i think the perception of this is becoming quote unquote public right away is because there is going to business there that is favor that right away for a very long time so i feel to continue on by saying this is a public right of way because it has always been what we want saying i should be selling pork chops too  the only reason there's traffic through there is because there's not a barrier  through their mother doing tomac and that's my point and that's why i'm here this dior of the process which i fully respect but it's this process in dealing with this town something that just drops me different than what was actually approved whether the g o p wants to change it in the comedy to bear i don't know but all i know is that the plan that they had uproot they were working with it was changing now it's different and it doesn't comply with the fact the use of the property to which the current owner is put to is in violation of the original approval of the people complaining that they don't have a complete access driveway through their i think you could tell it's private and this is all hypothetical but if we are be were to find that it was permissible to block them with any violations that have been issued become moot have a six thirty morning meeting because the town saw a need for us to get moving along in there so it's not a precedent if you have a meeting tomorrow morning i mean i think in that case if i may reason that that said any time a building used in the middle of town changes there's going to be adjustments you know and we can't know what they'll all be ahead of time but making those adjustments as smooth and painless as possible back on through to i think that's even a legal issue of backing off a public highway is against the law i may be wrong and by you know what i feel for the guy it's going to be a tough i'll fight i don't think there's is is a benefit to our town if there is a maximum of four corners in traffic i mean to deter every one of those four corners you can drive through every one of those properties is a driver property from around the corner situations but they're following the plan that was laid out in the document and the parties need to work through this enough awful awful way and i think they'll be a good resolution ok i'm going to wrap one sales at farmer's market we have a request to amend the ordinance jeffrey one percent then one sure has caitlin jeanette's here what would you like to come up most of the boards will remember about a year ago this issue came up where the farmer's market requested that we amend the park ordinance to allow for sales of alcoholic beverages and at the time they also asked for sampling to take place the board was divided the public is divided also no action was taken out and this year the farmers market the same quest and this is the new issue that they'd like it to be readdressed so i've been kind of working backwards and filling in the holes of what happened last year so i may not know exactly everything but basically from what i'm proposing the same rules that were proposed last year limiting to one vendor per market would have to regulated by the state and it would allow sampling the sampling that we propose is half of what the state actually laos there's dozens of neighboring towns that wind sampling farmers markets were in no way proposing that people drink in the park or there'd be wind sales or the one vendors are prohibited from opening bottles for people so i do think that the rules are established clearly address any potential safety issues this is not a breaking issue you know like i mean it's been established in other towns and according to the farmer's market manager or farmers market cornered or know they have no known issues with it so i guess i'm here last year was my first year as a vendor it's far as i know we have sixteen to twenty vendors at the market and as far as the history of the market things i think that we can't then my recollection which may not be correct is that there was it wasn't that there were firmly entrenched camps you know and this no it was there was a lot of back and forth this is one of those issues where can you know i have a number of examples throughout the course of two hours and i was and there was food provided and it was it was actually lovely wonderful event and i bought a couple of bottles of wine and so for me to the concerns were from last years because maybe we can try to address those concerns this year things along a little better so and it didn't seem like there were substantial concerns i think the biggest concern was that we never fall in the park and we did this then when that opened it up for interpretation for other types of event completely understand and i think that is the biggest stumbling block in iraq that we thought it might set a precedent that we may not want to send so i think that was the biggest hurdle that we were having a hard time getting through ok and i do think that when it's out the hole they have to move carefully because there is liability and i'm wondering i don't know now if we get a certificate of insur from the farmer's market or comes market in it that would change your insurance or if we change our insurance in any way to have alcohol sales on the do definitely want to talk to cheap buck and we could do that between now and the next meeting and then entertain changes in the morning is the next step jeff is that is that appropriate that that would be at the earliest it could be done so we could again personally draft language i think it needs to be a little bit different than what it is in here some of the thoughts that were bounced around last year whether or not to limit it to just a farmer's market or to have a possibility for other events to hold leaders well feel the distance and the examples that have been provided that to me what we're thinking about so that we're not just spending hours talking about one hundred different options you know somebody is really dead set against this you know you remember back in year ago come out and say  if there's a way that it might happen help us out because i think we spent three meetings last year with people not say really what they would go for what they would and that's really what supporting a local business and that you know that they're there anyone could you could open a bottle up anywhere in this town and be in violation of the law and it doesn't have to happen when you are at that farmer's market so i think that yes there will be concern but i think any time we see any liquor license in town we're going to ask what their risks are and so i think that we if we keep that in mind decision but sixty days for that to come in it's like having that sixty days for a farmer to know yes you know it's coming in to sell it would be enough time to plan i think if you pass something as soon as possible that's the best way to support you know local individuals that are interested in this so i guess i just work you know  a transitional you know just something creatively because i do feel in the moment heard tonight on forums that we must take our local businesses and be supportive of that and sometimes think creatively for solutions  one of the original reasons for proposing this last year was that this was an agricultural product that before much more and that itself was going to limit the purpose of selling from one of the members of the board last year that it should be opened up to other events that the number of events that could serve alcohol might there might be one out there that people would want to have that  that was that sort of added to the five different opinions that we had and without trying to advocate favor of this is if you could just remember that it was supposed to be an agricultural product sale a e by the farmer's market all of these things are possible i mean what i'm hearing so far is maybe some percentage alcohol of the of the beverage in question the amount of beach serving  and i proud of vermont pro to produce do want to try and take a i mean it seems like you might be useful to to narrow this down to something that we might want to bring to the sheet right to talk about a concern that if the slick were worth it considering a modification to the current we're going to that people would like to see expressed in that modification other than the ones we just accusation that sending out such a letter was illegal under seventeen of us eight to six six six and hearing those objections i've asked or the town attorney to provide an opinion which you know you have in front of you or he says that it didn't violate the letter of the law on p s a two six six and that there are a number of documents named that where you can have such sort of statements published in the town or on the official warning or on the ballot this letter was sent out as a standalone letter went out by itself was certainly a bad idea to do based on the number  up so we can well let's ask the question are there folks who are particularly interested in the money and speech resolution ok in their case against consulting the town looked at you know we would look a little suspiciously at some of the new flood maps for richmond and hired a consultant to do a review that wasn't really very useful so we sat down with jeff a few months ago and you know came up with a scalpel work there were you know we could look close or closely actually be flood model to determine if some of assumptions were correct and after doing some plumbing or a look into it steve had found a couple of items that had appeared that were anomalous whether they were you know from a technical perspective or from  model for richmond and from that came more that we've provided to the town and from here i think i'll let steve take over you know he can just real quickly mortgage holders need to obtain flood insurance for properties that are that are in the flood plain that becomes a mandatory requirement on the part of most lenders fema issued a revised  in and buildings into the floodplain and and at that point the situation that you just described began to unfold the question for the town that the slick order is wrestling with is that we have a situation not affect the need for a limited number of folks in town to get flood insurance we don't know yet how many people would be affected but yeah every step that we go to pursue this doesn't coffee incur on first glance it looks like the survey data provided no plane that was too small as i dove into the model turned out there is a skew angle entered into the model and that was entered a forty five measured at around twenty seven when i corrected it it had a big effect on the model well in the media the city is just upstream of the river bridge flood elevation chop about two feet between the two feet and that's in the farmland between you know and i can go through this at the very end to the results but it had a significant impact this year the hydraulic opening went from about a length of four hundred feet to five hundred twenty feet i believe so even though there is still skew it was how to open up the conveyance area quite a bit had it had an impact the next upstream bridge was the checker house for it there was no impact to the flood zone and all that bridge i took it out of there's nothing going on then there is the route eighty nine bridges that was actually had a surprising street bridge went from about two point two three feet and then one progressively down to about a quarter of the cockroach so we came up with an ounce of explain basically everything that we talked to but my in my conversation very productive today is very positive so we are waiting to hear back from just a few of the assumptions i made just to make sure that i'll fly but it seems like they're going so yes well i'm sorry it was sort of a mythical into this whether we would know whether we're going to have any meaningful successor we're still working on mapping what the changes might look like but  demonstrating that a significant change can be a lot of variance and bemis looking like they're going to be accepting of the engineering that they've done  twelve we have one we're regular select we're meeting between now and then we're doing a special between the people in the floodplain are invited to this thursday i think it's important that we continue to pursue this stating that my property is now looks like so i'm confused i write part of what we did with our mailings is we didn't make a judgement call on whether somebody its structure was in the floodplain or not but the new maps touch every parcel even if your parcel touches the river it's a part of it's going to be in the floodplain even if it's the getting my mind around is that this is this is the deal with whether having flood insurance in any of these companies is a good idea or not for the people of that and that's not a topic for discussion  but really what it was was a supreme court decision that several years ago decided that contribution of money was equated with free speech in that  corporations or corporate bodies good contribution contribute money the same as individuals could in the set some political ramifications and the people that signed a petition that was submitted disagreed with the decision and essentially wanted to vote to send a message to our legislative delegation her gene a constitutional amendment the saliva board voted to place th non binding together with the select word didn't have to follow the one where the other the select work could at this time support that vote anyway and pass this resolution i asked jon h slowed prepare the petition whether he agreed with this resolution he replied that he was fine with this so it's really it's in your hands i know that prior to the town meeting several people supported this idea that we can debate this you can put it off until later it's not time sensitive you could approve it you could deny it table it it's your option front of the public it was voted on clearly and at that point you know and it is i feel a personal responsibility let me put it that way to make sure that the will of the people is carried out and that  this united states constitution to restore the people's power to limit corporate influence elections and policy making whereas the supreme court's five four decision in citizens united the first is f e c broke with long settled legal precedents that acknowledge the power of citizens through their elected representatives to limit corporate influence in elections and whereas the supreme court's interpretations of the first amendment protections will permit even greater corporate influence over our political process by allowing unlimited spending from corporate profits to favor or oppose candidates and whereas the supreme court's decision will allow free speech rights of a corporation to dilute and outweigh the free speech rights of ordinary citizens because of the vast financial resources corporations have for spending money to influence elections compared with regular people and where the supreme court's elevation of corporate rights may have constitutional repercussions that go far beyond this one case will undermine the ability of the people to regulate corporations in numerous policy areas affecting people's health wealth and opportunities and where is the american people through their local state and federal governments must reclaim their rightful place as sovereign democracy and protect the electoral process from corporate domination and where as for elections are fundamental to the health and well being being of our democracy and where as the people of the town of richmond believe that corporations are not entitled to the same rights in our elections as people now therefore be it resolved by the select board of the town of richmond that section one the town of richmond strongly condemns the supreme court's ruling in citizens united versus f e c and supports amending the u s constitution to limit corporate influence and restore democracy in our elections for the benefit of the american people any part of this could be amended but the next step would be a second  so discussion sticky system where everybody has to sign and she fuckers had no problem with any of these restaurants or stores then we have first county class licenses and those are special services transportation authority project which provides low cost public transportation to certain older boys division was and was running out of money it would run out of money in march and i don't have those numbers yet i was expecting to have them but is that just paid it that we kept with our average spending or five hundred sixty dollars a month that we'd be able to cover the final three months there's really not much of a decision for this like forward other than three of where that that's the way it's going to go i don't think we'll be overspent this year i won't know until june see with your own but it did look like we would be zero respec transportation it's subsidized transportation where people in the community can take to work trips social trips grocery shopping trips or medical  trix through a program that's funded by the state grant which is actually federal money in a local match it's eighty percent grant twenty percent local match we've been budgeting twenty three hundred dollars i believe for the past couple of years and the total funding is around seven thousand dollars a year for this program for richmond we authorize i authorize some additional medical trips or earlier in the year that are overspending the budget  that the town would then be eligible for or responsible for or the town would have to cut out trips from what's been approved as s t a was able to find or reallocates and funding had been spent from some of the organizations this isn't something for everyone you have to make an application to s s t a they have to determine your eligibility and even then trips have to be town had acted as a custody yesterday you know the funds but the town wasn't involved project here at six thirty because of work but i just want to ask a question because now i have to believe it would be appropriate and ok if i ask a question please and i said i apologise it wasn't here six thirty recently and i've seen it many times listed in the newspaper on the supermodel's looking for a twenty four parcel to bring a business here to richmond they've identified two towns they want to be in and i felt as i don't have a copy of it for you but it's richmond and another town in shouldn't county and i just was wondering if the select board is doing anything and or death or doing anything to actively pursue negotiations with the town and are we get down or find every ten acre or more piece of property and making sure that those landowners  know that there's an opportunity that they could sell their attending church or more to the state to bring a business to here and i honestly do not know what they want to bring here but it's the state and they have been i've seen the ad now at needed to be our public water building store system so that it can facilitate whatever business it was at that time limits what would but then this would be an incredible opportunity to lower our tax base i think we need to be doing anything and all possible to of support for a grant to the v y c c in the richmond lean trust for applying for it's a similar floodplain restoration grant it is actually from the lake champlain base and which actually actually funded one of john carr screens i'm not sure the the full scope of this but it's similar in nature to what the other grants were used for pay a little warn us to pay a little less we had to enter a subset great agreement with them which cuts our share from fifteen percent down to ten percent i believe which we did first two thousand and twelve to september first two thousand the rest of the amendments that i've looked at don't really seem to affect us they don't change anything that's currently in our remit i think they may have motion to approve the too in determining in the future when we have a cash surplus how how do we how do we decide how to use that future right now it's under scripted  i don't know if anybody has any comments i'm not looking for a one to move to enact it this is a review policy and if a body wants to place it on for adoption of a fall meeting i think that would be appropriate or short stimming anybody's interested i think it's good practice ye champlain valley electrical which is owned by ken danus provided a quote to us to replace the existing lighting at the highway department a garage  with high efficiency lining at a cost of five thousand eight hundred sixty seven dollars and forty five cents we would get a rebate back of two thousand two hundred seventy five dollars dated and then there was a program by efficiency vermont and maybe sun setting relatively soon i can't speak for what's going on here but at that of the sun setting the replacement of a lot of these becomes because it was mandated that the climate action group you know looking at something some of this stuff pretty well yeah i mean i think i think we we did refer to them before in their you know frankly can i can speak as a member  they're struggling to get through the street lighting low so you know one of the one of the things that would probably make sense to do is to invite kids from mean if we get a breakdown as far as you know we know that the tiny town how we graduate some budget and if there's another building that has its own budget if it could be broken down that way so we could see where the money was going to be spent coming out of his budget it was going to come from y somebody to help me put the sing together i don't even know what kind of lights we are or where they are or i mean it's going to take me but we do need to know that actually we can we could invite vendors to to offer bids to retrofit you know as many as many facilities as many fixtures as they want to essentially and we could compare the bids on those basis you know those comprehensiveness and and that we don't have to put a lot work in those facilities and which pictures they would replace them with what because the reason you don't actually don't want to be more prescriptive than that is that some vendors might do a fixture for fixture replacement and some might do a really design of the lighting which that we know that they have the money for this we don't know that the other departments have it right now for an upgrade do we i don't know what the fire department's budget is like we we do have somebody who that as i certainly i certainly hear the concerns about just workload and i have those myself this is a nice word think we could issue a very simple r p and then draft we have we have expertise in town and i'm not talking about me but your better half for example we might be willing to to do some review on the bids that come in and the advantage that we have this is this is one vendors idea of what they and you know if it's if it's not if it doesn't it doesn't seem to me well you need to you tell me if we could essentially offer a one page our p inviting bidders to come in naming the town facilities that we do the research as far as what they're getting out and it could be a situation like this for you know you set up a one day where the vendors would come and see the sites that they're going to be bidding on and it's up to them to take an inventory of what that what they're considering changing i mean and then it's on the fender who submits the r p and it's not sweet just identify the buildings and make make available the time to them and they can all be at the same time that's what  there was a question asked regarding it's page two of five line fourteen and fifteen asking how old the vehicle we received were last week and both of those were approved by the state they are then scheduled to be forwarded to fema for their review there's a high likelihood that the projects  approved by fema the hazard mitigation grant has a seventy five percent grade twenty five percent local batch the waters are commissioners well have to come up with the twenty five percent match application the state is still working on the possibility of using some other federal money for the match that stuff definite that the state wants to know where you are with both of these w just to fill in a little bit of background here this is the sole private property in town that was where the damage was found to exceed fifty percent of the the cost to  ok so but here's the thing that i'm still a little unclear about is that he said there is a the cost to repair is going to sixty thousand dollars which means that the the value of the property is one hundred  fifty thousand dollars to raise pigs and hundreds or whatever is home of our what our regulations allow them to do all regulations say if you're in one of mine you have significant damage you have to bring it to that the time of the flood so that the substantial damage calculated are determined based on the value at the time of the flood or is that yes w of this cost or we're not are we at that point yet or can we can we pursue the grant application without having well into the next months and you were sort of really on the cost we really don't have much or any real time left  fim is going to be prepared to award based on the state's recommendation even though those who don't have the final answer it's likely that both of your projects would get approved if there was a compelling reason to not move forward we really have to quickly there's a chance this state is going to figure out about matching before the season be approved is there i'm hoping they'll come up with the nature where i think there might also be the possibility that we could convert a different type of mitigation if the homeowner was willing to talk about that where instead of getting the work for by all that money would be used to renovate the home and get it back up to says one potential outcome in the other one that states just go straight for the way we're talking about this then the town becoming the owner of that that person you know there would be a transaction that project application diminish the serious nature of it but  really something that i haven't had any experience with and it raises a lot of questions such as you know something the homeowner it requested to do  do we want to talk with the homeowner  i think we would feel the need for a hearing or hearings on that because it is a significant amount of money and we want the public input as to the appropriateness and what's the what's the what's the public benefit we end up with hopefully if that was your decision and acre of land that could be used for a public purpose and so there's i know you have a timetable but it's important to follow the protocol on that side as well so please give us the time to have the hearings necessary to give you the input that we think we should give you thinking and just i think it would be important to make decisions is there a site plan of the acres so that you know in these discussions what you're what you're getting are you getting the roots there are so you're getting whatever the acre is so that's that's great garden parking or whatever the next uses that is important to the town thank you for it and think of as a town we have adopted regularly that don't allow  taking taking something out of the flood plain weird we are taking stronger regulations than most councils around us i've been directly involved in a lot of this with a flood  and if we're going to have those regulations we have to back them up it's the way to to have back on my second point is if there is a graph out there that is a twenty five percent and given that money to that re up against time and know that yes and no idea where we have to file paperwork essentially telling fema that we had to go through with it it's not the same is so i mean there we are going through f going to take several months after they get that paperwork to decide whether or not they're going to prove the project something could develop in the time period where there is a solution to the twenty five percent match time but certainly allowing this to go forward so that we don't eliminate the possibility of completing this grant you know if we can do that without i mean does it either work really do we have to put it in this in this fully conditional scenario well you could you've got a number of options you could say we're stopping it now you know pursuing it any further  at now as if we if you prevent me from move forward with that paperwork it kills the deal we could file a paperwork and wait a few months to see what happens but the few months from now we have a similar point know i mean i'm supportive of going forward with the with the application as long as it doesn't commit us right now to spending sixty to some a thousand dollars plus the fifty for the for the  the market value of the house before the flood was one hundred twenty pounds and yet the town's percentage is greater than the amount of damage that is just something that i think some of these look at the future damage in this case the property was done to hide it from the river front land and that's not unusual in most of the properties and i know of that are part of i have that are other question is the national flood insurance program does your vision for the story houses that are designated on the state or national register or locally designated so that they don't need to  often we trial after trial to submit to females that since the a p a regulations are in effect rebuilding of that playground has to be to a higher standard they need to pay seventy five objected to a blanket approval on that until they could see it was on there was some other i guess the uncertainty that raised organs would actually work whether they would just become  or whether they would fail because additional runoff to go into neighboring properties and this particular project was on a long term track that was actually started construction for over another year i'm comfortable with that because obviously we have to do a lot of legwork and get some buy from the neighbors for us to create that project so that's where  years and there's several other projects being put out there that we can participate in one of them is the pedometer challenge right now this year we're in her fifth week of that and believe we have eight people participating and it's amazing how many steps you take and it's last year i was the wellness court later and we received this clap for participating richmond it says for our commitment to help the safety of our employees and families in three years and to dissipate it in the wellness legal program and then after a lot of paperwork and proving that we do all this stuff we've made policies for different things which people have been on board for had look at last year and sign off this year we had our first meeting of our safety wellness committee and we decided on a few things that we want to look into that we thought would be good for the safety of the people that are around the buildings here and because we did this all last year filed all the papers amount plus two two thousand four hundred dollars quarterly payments of one will be taken the year next year and these are both for next year's budget they have to question yes so this is just doing some quick math here and i'm sure this is already been beaten to a pulp i'm sure but but the least thing we're paying twenty four hundred dollars a quarter which is roughly a little under ten thousand dollars here for a three year lease which means and three years we're going to be paying thirty thousand dollars for a vehicle when the purchase price is twenty six thousand dollars it's just that the math doesn't go and i'm sure this is probably been  ok two of them have to be replaced right now because they're ones actually six years old i think they both have high mileage and a lot of wear and tear on them so to maintain that five place two in one year and then with because i'm assuming it's going to be if so the purchase is going to be a four year vehicle and the lease is going to be a three year vehicle with then going to be encountering this again in another three years when the lease comes up will we be having to purchase and potentially replace or we're going to have to potentially replace two cars in that one year are we going to be now shifting to a once a year budget replacement schedule want to make sure you use the right term because i just met with paul giuliani about funding sources either a surcharge fund or a capital a capital fund to put some money away so that on that rotated year that we have enough money to make up the balance for what chief buck doesn't half you could always do that but on a per basic level what you're talking about is putting more money into the budget yet that's easier said than done yeah i understand but if we did three to four year basis thirty thousand dollars over that year well actually less than thirty thousand because he's got thirty six thousand to play with and the purchase of the vehicle is twenty six thousand so you know thirty list it we could  potentially make up some to it's quite right with the way i see it working out on a practical level if you're going to be budgeting we had been budgeting twenty six thousand dollars we were committing to budgeting thirty six thousand dollars a year for the next three years  and year four you continue to budget thirty six thousand take that ten thousand dollars and put that into his or every cent of the next year you still have that extra ten thousand dollars yes so you'll have a combined twenty thousand dollars you have probably scraping off ok other reserve together to to buy another vehicle ok assuming that you can get one for twenty six thousand right now of course we have a habit of budgeting for vehicles for many years assuming that they're going to remain stable different stuff to put on that car and well since we're pretty much going with the polls now a lot of the we can reuse equipment ok when we made the switch from fords to chevy's the cages of the