quote that documents like this ones have been found to be completely fraudulent to the record pace thirty nine that was the cornerstone of his decision he started with that stating that the documents my clients what's important in this case you have any concerns but none of the witnesses were able to i don't believe that your i believe they stated that they called different names the congregation however before that so it's reasonable if in fact he was converted in one thousand nine hundred eighty that that would have been in the application it was not and that's the central part of her claim the second one i want to go to is the fraudulent documents and i would assume that when she makes the application and she didn't say that that's not the case she made the application in one thousand nine hundred ninety at that time pointer testimony in court her husband's already a jehovah's witness and that's not what she says in the application and i think that big deal but your honor i want to just spend a minute explaining the whole sequence of this case what happens is this is this petition of came before the ins former ins made her claim for asylum and it was denied presumably because they weren't satisfied with the issue of i don't know the details of that but i do know that she wasn't a member and well i just assumed that that's what she was saying now that she was not a member she became a member in her words you know in her out in the  i don't see any of that i mean i look taking it on its face value it doesn't make a differentiation that's made in court before the immigration judge and i think if you look at the application on page one forty eight  member that's all i can tell you and i think that her statement now that she was not a member she was a non baptized member perhaps that's the that's a reasonable interpretation in her view but i think the immigration judge was well within  to find that you know that's not what she said here and when you look at the fact of the sequence here the fact that the immigration judges are no those places are on notice and then shortly after just just before the hearing she goes out and becomes a member and she presents all of the evidence at that time about tires member and all of her testimony and witness concerns her subsequent membership and the one individual who can testify to allegedly reports say that there are problems with these projects and claims and she never says to the immigration judge you know what i'm having a problem with my aunt she's the disavowed me and i'm going have a problem with  the latest quite united states and i just find socially just your testimony is credible and i understand what petitioner saying that you know perhaps you know her version of it the nonmember believable but that's not what she said  application is essentially against her when in fact she got testifies that he became a nonmember i would presume in one nine hundred ninety eight if you look at all of the evidence in this record and if you look at the whole sequence of what happened she evidence supporting that she is a member after assuming that you take a blood card in face value and it demonstrated you became a member in two thousand and one that doesn't answer the question but what it does more than anything else it creates this in case but again what's also interesting is that her playing must be taken into contacts with her husband's claim which again it's you don't know what to believe her husband is a let allegedly left because of problems he's having and she's saying that he's against him the problem  she's trying to bolster the claim that he's a jehovah witness and presumably alterable witnesses are being persecuted and say he's passed police or the fact is he's not a jehovah witness and he's left that maybe the family is leaving for other reasons and that's why that's of course  that's why that's important because even if you accept the testimony as being credible she has to meet the well founded fear and on that issue she is all over the place but certainly the fact the husband once or is it would you have a witness is