them which is one item only please make yourself known to the committee staff or the district offices will provide you with three minutes and three minutes only to provide testimony on this i you will address your comments to the chair not to the audience and to the members who assists you with your time when you three minutes it's like a street light intersection green means speak yellow means be prepared to stop and it means you will stop i will continue to control decorum in this chambers so i could in myself let us all turn off our noise making devices for this meeting please chairman honorable members of the council thank you for hearing my testimony today i'm here in my capacity as the president of the holly a collage chapter of the highway farmers union united our jurisdiction ranges approximately just provided some written testimony today i'm not going to read it verbatim but essentially we have some suggestions and one of the primary issues we see in this region of how makulu is the homeless population and i just want to share my own experience while i was on my way to a farm one morning about six am i farm i manage four operate farming operations in the region fruits and vegetables about thirty one four separate parcels and it was six am and i picked up a hitchhiker in the rain and it was a homeless woman who was almost naked under a t shirt and she actually robbed me in my car she stole my wallet and it became a real real hassle i had to call the police and force are not physically but you know through speaking to her you must give me my wallet back or the police are going to you know come and take it and it's just an example of some of the social problems in this area and i think it's really wise to pay attention to it because as the sugar plantation closes down i have lots more open land where homeless or houseless people can take up residence in the in the bushes of the cultures and we ought to pay close attention to what happens when a large agricultural operation winds down here on our island so i think the community started on some of this land and i just want to make it clear that the farmers union well we do support organically that's not always support you know we're not the whole way organic farmers union or the farmers and so we support farmers ranchers fishermen to build these communities that we believe need to happen in our active strict and we support all permissible uses of the ag district and you know agra tourism included and so we want to see this area really the place where the community can come together the surfers and the fishermen and the cultural practitioners in the farmers and so we support all that and we've been there from the that try to have some fun with this and she knows i'm a little intense i'm going to try to have fun with this process ultimately what i envision is a win win win situation where i know it's in terms of the county behind this land and thinking is as surfrider you know there are over two hundred fifty thousand members nationwide we have a pretty deep set of resources and the ability to raise money and i've gotten surfrider nationals commitment to focus this campaign and to raise awareness and raise money and ultimately surfrider where yes we want to protect the water but we understand we all understand or maybe you don't but we all need to understand is that ninety percent of ocean pollution is non point source which means that everything flows down the land in a certain way and goes into the water or water is a very important resource an island not only for fishing for surfing but i don't want my kids to get sick i know everyone wants to swim in the preston waters and keep that so if we look at the end result and my and to keep the water safe that in turn comes back to the land and ultimately developing a community based plan that looks at what we need to do to raise money which we have the ability to do so i hope to work with surfrider and with you and with the other groups to raise money that will build awareness to begin testing the waters not only the ocean but the streams in the waterways to test the soil to see what we're up against and if we start turning over this soil to understand what's going to happen to the ocean so ultimately our goal is to could to stop provide resources money to help develop the management plan and registered lobbyist and you have spoken to you guys a lot of times before but never in this capacity some kind of nervous today for some reason for some weeks and his capacity representing fifteen hundred families and the affiliates but they realtors association is in support of the purchase of this property we feel as though there is an opportunity here now to purchase something that is  while also i do have written testimony before you but i'm just going to kind of talk here but it is we feel that this is you know if this goes into development it will never come back when i testified before you before i brought up ulysses s grant who made the very first national park and it was followed suit all over the world and i'm not saying this is a national park but what i'm saying is that there's a significance to that of setting lands aside that are that are needed to do that and the realtors association is behind that as long as there is a plan in place to take care of the land you know to to us we feel as though if this land was to be purchased and just go fallow and end up with junk cars and you know excess and trash that's that's really not what this is for so we've been working with the surf riders sierra club from day one and we are  we're backing the plan that's there the one concern that we have though is is in from the time that's purchased or what time we implement that plan you know there's a gap between that and how are we going to be able to steward the land so i think that that's a big part of it for us is is to really truly steward the land not just buy it and land bank it and say that we did something good which is something good but we are in favor of purchasing this land and so that's just what i want to have on the record so thank you very much  the company right do you have any idea when this is i'm not familiar with it when it assumes that somebody will be there to stewarded watch it and worry about things like dumping and illegal people being there and the idea well i know that they've already put there's already an entity in place yes i wouldn't do that as far as you know the implementation of the plan i think that maybe simon might be able to speak to that better than i would i'm i'm not sure as far as when it would be implemented i know that it's going to be sooner rather than later but as far as an actual timeline i don't actually know that ok i guess we going further dig into this when we get into deliberation i'm  curious to know about the plan and who had their funding as we would have representatives of the administration that would share their thoughts with the committee i was saying thank you very much i'm concerned about who's going to pay for all this thank you thank you very much if any other questions for m any questions for the gentleman i mean and thank you for taking the time to be here this morning miss laura noise is there anyone in our honda district office that would like to give testimony this morning and following miss lawrence will be liz lee just into a lot of members i am here today to support the purchase and i want to tell you something that i did get the opportunity to sit in the community muhammad and the feeling that was there was there was bringing the farmers and the fishermen and the lineal descendant it's it felt so good to be a mongol that type of community that were was very passionate about preserving this beautiful place and and in regards to what council member bison mentioned earlier i think i think we're moving forward maybe it's really important to consider a public private partnership working with local nonprofits that can help steward the law and i know there's a lot of concern but i can tell you from sitting in this meeting and and seeing all the different people that was there that people are ready to work they're passionate about the future of how and you know addressing the homeless issue and the drug problems that are currently down there and some of the ideas and i just want to take this time to to share some ideas the beauty of this meeting was you know there was talk about maybe bring the in your descendants and connecting back to their homelands maybe a cultural center and then the farmers were all excited and and the fishermen were all excited and and take that into consideration when you do make your decision is that there's a lot of people at stake and a lot of people are energized and  to work hard for the future of homo quo and you know nine million dollars i know that's a lot of money but look at the benefits long term of open space and such a beautiful place s acquisition and consider a public private partnership thank you thank you mr lawrence for the recommendation just your members any questions for miss lawrence on her testimony  purchased for the open space and further good use of our community to bring back the cultural slate's because there are many cultural sites that have been left out and forgotten and we also have one of our board members from the e c and also part of  kamakura today that took out a group from the montessori school to start to clean out the entrance to one of the hales so we'd really like you folks to you know put this into your budget and we have lots of people that are  to back it people that are willing to get out there already and start cutting trees and starting to mulch in clear areas we definitely have a lot of things to work with with the drug use and dumping of cars but i'm sure if we all come together as a one group and we can definitely make it happen and you know prepare a good future home members any questions from this into i mean and thank you very much for being here is there anyone else would like to give testimony please make yourself known at this time every nonmembers we know objections may direct you please to be f ninety one members is under the heading of acquisition of four parcels totaling two hundred sixty seven point seven acres at  we with this i have a members we have received a couple of items one we have a communication sixteen to us one forty seven from director oxo log transmitting the proposed resolution to acquire point four nine five million dollars for the acquisition you have received documents under your item for your review on you for your using the manual like myself this morning we do have representatives from alexander and order and will be sharing their present to share with us we have two gentlemen  vice president for m b properties my we as well as their other senior management officer in the end of the m b properties maui so i like to introduce them to the community in our community and ask them if they would start their presentation for us please thank you to have a comma good morning everyone and thank you very much for having us here this morning it's our pleasure to be here with you all today as a resource to support you in your review of this action for you as you know this particular proposed acquisition received much input and support from the community during your annual budget process  congratulate you on your vision and providing for this acquisition through the county's budget open space fund for the purpose of maintaining these parcels for the better the public's benefit for generations to come we had previously listed these parcels for us in excess of the contemplated sales price to the county and you will know that it has actually appraised for a sum higher than that price as well however we are pleased to be a partner in working with the council and the transfer transaction at the terms reflected in the proposed resolution we were reflecting just a minute ago that it's really wonderful that all too rare where all the stars are aligned this way where the community the console of course the administration and the seller and b are all in sync on their shared interest and desire and being able to see this initiative through and to be able to share in the work that it will take to preserve this area for the community for the future so we are hoping for an expeditious review and approval of the proposed resolution so  as to authorize and best situate the administration to work with us on moving this transaction forward this this quarter my colleague ready endo is the person that is actually most conversant  concerning these particular lands as well as the deal that is before you today saw on the turn over the mike to him and he'll provide you with a brief overview with some some slides thank you again for having us here this morning keep and then pass when he kobe and basically in the vicinity of memorial cemetery next slide it's going to enter you need a pointer or a included this for comprehensive this is just a copy of the subdivision final plat which has been approved by the county moving on this is a little bit easier to see a bleak aerial photograph with the general boundaries of the lots shown so i've marked lots one three four five which are the subject of today's resolution and also pointing out that the jaws lookout is very close to the other lots taken from the ocean side looking up about three outlined in orange in this photo is thirty three point eight acres lot four is just shy of thirty acres and lot five is thirteen and a half acres again this photo is basically showing the same properties taken from the most part the a town side of the subdivision looking eastward and it's a more recent photo so you you know it's you don't see any more of the and this is just another photo of primary lots three four and five looking mal and as far as a sale details as we've already people have already mentioned the price is one point four nine five million pieces what value is nine point seven eight which is about close to three hundred thousand below we're proposing are hoping to close by september thirtieth of this year and the last slide is more for if there's questions on the axes mea line that just illustrates the current access easement to get to the jobs look up so to for the benefit of the public the green sections are on lot one and the purple sections are on the the lower section the blue the blue line represents what was the old way that axis went for all the lots to tree four and five but as part of our working through this with the county to make things better instead of having the county have to drive through lots one and six which you would not own sorry not one and six two  people go down in there to do service and maintenance as far as utilities the red line would be both access and the utility easement for any future utilities that anyone would or the condo would want to bring onto the property only there are no water meters servicing any of the any of the parcels  over on this map does the access easement include the use of the jaws look out you mr chair just i think you mentioned in the presentation that the lookout is not part of the last one is that right that's correct so these men kind of goes in and out of our if we were to purchase this it would be go in and out of the county property yes that ranks or to get to the jaws look out would me and her in and out of lot one at the look at itself is not on  ok thank you thank you it's a victory thank you so the property owner of the other side at this time is you folks yes it is ok and i guess my question would be do you have any immediate plans to do anything with dead land that would would jeopardize the accessibility of the lookout  itself we don't have any set plans for that property at this point it has been on the market in the past but regardless of whether it's sold or not that access easement and the lookout will always be preserved because  recorded so that no one can who follow up purchaser or the purchaser of that land could not close that access to the public itself that's correct there are relocation rights included in the grant so if somebody needed to because of for the reason needed to reroute the road through the middle or something like that or whoever is the landowner would have the right as far as exact location of the easement in the future it could be moved but it would always have to reach the the jobs local so they could be moved but the accessibility from the top all the way to the lookout would be preserved even though it may be changed somewhat that's correct and it wouldn't be forced upon the land that we're purchasing it would still stay on the land that is presently traversing right there the right or relocation runs with the land so whoever is the land owner of a lot one could make certain modifications two exceptions are not purchaser of this property adjacent to the last one so that those my my concern thank you thank you this was on this present to you are you still asking for questions on this presentation of one more if you have one please present it yes mr and on lot five and some of the pictures it shows that there are some structures thank you thank you anyone any other questions at this time members mr white one more while we're on the slide what is the width of the easements though with of the red new easement in favor of  lots three four and five is a minimum of forty feet wide and gets wider it's a new areas and then what about the other one the other one i could find out for you and get back to you i think as the east meets what is the minimum that we could go or that you guys would allow that we would do you know if there's some kind of ordinance state that handles that amount of these mine itself minimum with conservation justified lands is that a good understanding for the community ball in agricultural on district can go to itself is the a yes i swear you get more in thirty percent slope on some of those for uses which would be automatically everything is in the agricultural district both state and county except for small areas right along the shoreline and in those slots that you still retain ownership do you have current leases or other permitted but we can talk about the rules after departments of the point of view ok members so you have no question for the questions at this time for game b representatives i'm going to ask the administration to give us their comments on to be here the purchase of this as you know was approved in the budget so there's no financial amendment to the budget required so this is just the resolution to authorize us to purchase the land with the amount of funding that's already been set aside for it we have the director of finance here as well as his staff also the deputy director of parks and recreation and managing directors available should there be any specific questions about circle september second i believe as september first thank you as the backup for additional meeting if this committee requires additional response is a request of at least three members for site visit then the chair has enough time to grant your considerations of requests my understanding of our try to have in our laws is deter yes i believe you are correct thank you therefore if we need the september first meeting we have already planned in schedule so that by september sixteenth the sixteenth meeting thank you staff  its people who question the wisdom and say we should buy some of the lots so part of the job today is to vet ask your questions of the various representatives of the apartment property owners if there's questions you have for  walker department of finance comments please thank you chair committee members i think most of the salient points have been covered in the presentation by the alexander baldwin representatives the only thing i would add just for the committee's benefit  is from a recent history perspective that the land was started in pineapple cultivation the fifty's and the bulk of it has been out of production for at least five years and some of it more than that can come to us now are managing director keep so we welcome managing director reagan and we also have deputy director savage of the parks department president if you have questions for  to acquisition of this property as proposed by the council we appreciate the council pushing this forward and it's our job now to carry out the policy of the council and to acquire this property and work with the community to determine what are the best options for this particular parcel and we look forward to that process we look forward to involving the community and being part of that so at this point in time we have no specific plans for the property we just look forward to these public meetings and once the properties acquired and determining how we're going to move forward and what's the best use so that's really the only opening comments that i have about this i hope that we do move forward in the acquisition of this property i think this is an outstanding parcel of number of parcels that speak clearly to the county's vision of protecting open space and  these lots are just amazing pieces of property the really are going to provide a lot of opportunities for this community to do some amazing things out there so look forward to the acquisition and any questions that the members may where do you see the same rate of initial responsibility being handed to the chairman thank you for the question you know finance is really good acquiring properties but i don't know about you know providing oversight management to this particular property that was the right place in the offense obviously to the department of finance i think they do an outstanding job in their responsibilities but you know this is essentially passive parkland when you think about it right at this point in time so if there were a department where it would be most suited it would be the department of parks and recreation now i say that but with that would come a commitment to provide some resources to the department so that they could you know properly manage and work with the community on this particular parcel and so i think at this point in time the  appropriate department would be the department of parks and recreation but we're going to have to provide some additional resources so that this broad moves forward in the most appropriate way department of parks and recreation and so we were thinking about maybe rob parsons and perhaps kennedy are more who have you know some experience in dealing with these kind of properties to enlist their help the the the environment and how it can be put to production if it means in agriculture and perhaps some resources in turn could be provided for partnership right this is a true public private partnership when you think about it right so enlisting the help of the one c three is non profit organizations who want to be a part of this who have deep connections to this property i think is very important for us we recognize that and you know having been involved in some of the conversations over the years about this particular property i know that there are lineal descendants that have a very deep interest in protecting this there are very important sacred cultural sites on this property that we have to really protect and preserve and i think it's important when you can involve organizations who have that deep connection to that because the they have this responsibility right it's there could be on a right to protect that definitely want to involve organizations like that you know in this process and you know i think that the county does a good job at certain things our nonprofits and organizations do great jobs at other things and i think that's where we have this synergy where we can come together and address this you know i have friends and family members that are interested in making sure that this property goes forward that we protect it i have like the cool lawyers as a as an example are friends of mine and you know they have deep connections to this property and so i feel that when i talk to people and when the mayor talks to people and so we definitely want to involve all parties who are interested in making sure that we protect this property absolutely thank you thank you thank you we're going to go down the line for all members to have their opportunity  s in regards to the community meetings it's been going on for several months we've had a very good dynamic unique situation where you can actually show at least this could be a model of  government non government partnerships you have surfer groups on law one area there's certain areas of law one near the jobs area that they're interested in you have the agricultural community that are very interested in organic as well as nanogram organic farming that would also be utilized in law one which is the area closest to the roadway and so that would be looked at as another area of interest of law for you have the traditional cultural sites and also on live three on three there are  lot of trails that the bike the biking enthusiasm as well as a cluster in groups and clubs are also interested in so at these meetings we have a lot of these  user groups getting together sharing ideas and one of the ideas is stewardship agreements you know different areas responsible for their nonprofit and then currently right now c three eventual e with the help of the land trust would eventually then come into play as part of their own braless so i there's a lot of working parts to this and  people are excited so i just wanted to give you a little bit more meat then i was initially stated in the opening comment of the mayor's office has a task force assigned to this as well i think jock and i forgot we have a new tool that i have to adjust to you know i agree with the analysis and what has been said thus far and i think i wait for your recommendation because i think this is another prime example of this county taking a proactive approach in keeping open space and the users of these various areas in mind like we've done in other areas throughout this county where the essential we have loni a book and some other areas i'd like to see us actively use the land and there are people that want to use the land as mist of movement as described and so that's another means of also some financial resources to continue to perpetuate and to improve i have mixed feelings about this like everybody else i love the idea of those preserving open space i think it's very important it's kind of hard breaking when you drive around and see that our beaches are all not that accessible anymore and there are not enough of them the ones that we have are inaccessible and so i turold thoroughly relate to that piece of this but i am a little concerned about the expectations that we might have about what we can do with this because of where it is you know does it have any infrastructure i heard somebody said there is no water service i'd like to know that is there any infrastructure in the area  china can you respond to misplace inquiry please thank you chair randy endo again there is no water service and there is electrical power in the vicinity but nothing brought on to the on to the property right now so and of course there's no sewer so at this point there is no infrastructure currently service in the property except for if you want to count the access the dirt roads to get you into the property and you know not being an active ocean person i have never been out there i have seen pictures done and videos and i mean it's absolutely gorgeous when they're having surfing competition  and all of that but how does that happen if we become the owners of this is that still going to happen and really there is no facility is out there how is that managed i'm really concerned as far as the current process that we do as n b a as the owner we do engage with our forgot the name the world surfing association or league and are there are surf organizations that then run the big surf meets which occur not very frequently maybe once or twice a year at the most when that when the big surf comes in a job then we they basically are a lot take over control manage the transportation and the safety of the area and they manage the crowds during the event is what we've done in the past going forward of course everything would be different now while the lookout site is still going to remain for now on in the land and we could grant them a license to use that area of the lookout the colony would have to be involved not because obviously people would still have to drive through the county property before you get to the car so it would have to it would require some chording nation and cooperative agreement between both m b and the county to continue ok well you know i do think that that's a cost that we have to think about and we have to make sure that there is some stewardship because you know we all know parks and recreation is over and they have just so much responsibility and can't they have a very difficult time keeping track of everything and i may be empathetic because i know that there's a lot of facilities that they're trying to manage and to give them something that has as much liability as this has attached to it i think we need to think about what we're going to give this responsibility to who is going to over look this or that this becomes what the dream is for it and there's a lot of dreams i mean i've listened to this wonderful thoughts that people have about fishing and growing stuff and you know doing all this stuff but we have to be a little careful we don't play no more than we can chew oh you know this is not the first time we've sat here since i've been here in  my tenth year here and we've dealt with in the open space and we've talked about who's going to come in and who's going to manage it and that's always been something that we've looked at very carefully i remember when we were acquiring  we had a group of people that had come and actually presented about what the were going to do and how they were going to do it so we had a comfort level that there would be oversight during the purchase of liverpool at the same thing happen we had many many groups that were coming here to commit and we knew who they were and we knew their leadership and we knew their plans so all of that is going through my head it's not that i'm opposed to this not at all but i'm just want to make sure you know what we're doing because we're responsible to our taxpayers thank you thank you  law but it's the thirteen point five one four acre lot and it says that it may have back taxes owed on this property so i was in sure who that question would go to and if we know how much that is that would it says attention is invited to the fact that the premises cover here and may be subject to possible rollback or retroactive part pretty taxes so mr  well first of all i can state that definitely there there are no back taxes owed in the sense of the annual all of your property taxes paid on the property we have we receive tax clearances and we company we pay all of our real property taxes on an annual basis and we try not to miss any lots that we owe money on as far as roll back taxes i don't believe there would be any roll back taxes  but to the extent there are any issues in that in that regard we could resolve that with the finance department prior to closing questions on the legal part but right now we're we're talking with we're talking about infrastructure etc just for mister for mr endo does lot to or six are those of the two watch that are owned by somebody else at this point is that correct that's correct and do either of them have no not at this time lot to is the one that's closer to the ocean and lot six is the one that the blue line is on and both of them do not have well actually i'm not one hundred percent sure but i'm pretty sure lots doesn't have we never actually own that that are so that's owned by the he said she my family a lot too we did sell and that does not have any water service although they're ok the next question is i'm assuming that's on the meter list that those parcels would be on the meter list or is that a different water system i think the chair of it i'd have to check to be honest to see if these parcels are on a country water meter is there not mr reagan would you be aware of the status quo regarding that question getting used to the microphone to let you know i don't have that information with me right now but we can certainly speak to the water department to determine whether or not those parcels are on the list and get back to the committee  you the members of the committee at this point in time hearing your question mr coach is if you have additional all members if you have additional questions regarding the department's due diligence and what were their findings please bring them up at this time because i think the important for us to hear their findings of the due diligence process that i would assume we did prior to these considerations so ok or part of that would be issues like or finance or administration's due diligence process you said regan thank you chair sums comments please yes so i'm just looking at the property and and thinking back to the discussions that we've had as we're going forward to acquire this particular property there are you know some minor issues with regards to people on the property but nothing that we haven't you know had to deal with in the past and nothing that would be  showstopper if you want to call it for the acquisition of this particular property i think with regards to the water issue as i mentioned i'm just going to i'm following up with  water department right now as we speak i've asked them to you know provide us that information it's an important question but again you know it's not something that really should prevent us from moving forward and acquiring this property it is a big issue for us is in terms of infrastructure if we're going to do something more active with the property but at this point in time i really feel that you know based on our our due diligence that we've done that given the size of the property the location of the property the potential for the property you know the positive impact for the community with this property that those are those issues that i brought up are minor issues that we can work through we saw nothing in our due diligence in that process that basically told us to stop so we think that this is a good property we think that this is something we should move forward on and that  there will be challenges as was mentioned i mean i think council member cochran brought up some good points about other probably other properties that the counties acquired that we work with nonprofit organizations to try to take some ownership but that's just part of the process you know and that's a natural part of the process and again i don't think that those those are issues that are going to prevent us from being able to move forward the infrastructure question that came up by council member  is also a very good question and it's something that we've talked about internally but speaking with some of the the a column users or people that are familiar with this property they've been able to  utilize the property as it is now without a lot of that infrastructure so you know for what's being done out there now it's not like they need to have these the infrastructure right to be able to to do these things it would be nice i think at some point in time eventually that if we could provide restroom facilities or you know some place maybe shower facilities something like that for uses of jaws you know and when those activities are happening in this park but that's way down we know way way down the road but again getting back to the initial point and question that based on what we've conducted up to this point in time there's nothing that is telling us we shouldn't move  forward thank you for that and i totally agree that you know we need to get this land and work with the organizations that have stepped up especially some of the ones that want to provide us funds course we always like hearing that are provide funds to help clean that keep the land going so not a problem with getting that land i have no problem and i think it's something we should do i'm just trying to see some of the issues that ha ve come up in in me and looking at the appraisal and a few other things one of the things that stuck out for me is this used to be pineapple and is that correct yes ok in the two page six it says values estimated in this report are based on the assumption that the properties are not negatively affected by existence of hazardous substances or detrimental environmental conditions has somebody gone through and from from our side and taken a look at some of the soil samples and stuff to make sure that that that assumption is good i'm going to defer to him be on this one and provide you an answer clean report with no hazardous materials that's really good to know the other thing mr chair stop me if i'm asking too many questions and you want to go to others but i want you to this this question and that others have the opportunity ok interesting only in the in the green mint on page four of the agreement section two point three there's a section in there i'm just concerned about is this something normal there thank you chair i think i could answer that if you want or you can go to the end of the operation call so it's it's something we'd like to have in our agreement at the recommendation of our attorneys i think we've done it in the technical tax issue it simply allows us to basically ten thirty one the money on to another property so with that clause in the agreement  it's not a ten thirty one because this is a government purchase so it's under section ten thirty three of the internal revenue code it allows us some ability to take the money and reuse it in on another property most of us who've been around long enough pretty much know what is that what we want to pray seem to be set for agricultural lan interesting to them over in members what i'm going to do is take a mid morning break part of also is i'm going to ask miss savage as the direct deputy of parks to also come down and give us your thoughts of how the department may want to move forward upon acquisition and pick being given the responsibility of the it would be operational management of how the crew see moving forward as well as trying to give us a samples or what he says i would my quick question is you who was there company outside company that did the tests dean and gave that clean bill of health report or did your company are hot i just want to know who d return to order joining us also at this point in time is deputy director savage department of parks and recreation county of  so before we continue questions members i'm going to miss averages she would like to at this point thank you for any opening comments from her department's perspective regarding this consideration  good morning members from parks and recreation perspective we are always supportive of additional open space in conservation land and any inquiring acquisition of those types of properties we think it's a really important part of a healthy park system which then equates to having a healthy community and all the different types of environmental components that can be built into an overall system specifically  for this proposal the parks department really hasn't been involved in the process so i'll do the best i can to answer questions as they come up we have not participated in any onsite inspections up to this point  again or any of the different meetings or planning or management proposal meetings so that's the kind i have to start off with thank you thank you director is it something that the requirements of safety zones along the cliff side or the fall the site would like to know that are there additional traditional native access for gathering right points that you could share with us regarding those areas of that i brought up mr if we're going to get into any specific points of liability at request executive session to go over those in controlled environment if you get into specific liability issues being specific because i don't see anything specific before specific or maybe at this point in time so just in general issues for the general thank you chair also with parcel if it's going to be moving into our parcels moving into parks and recreation we would want to identify what kind of the existing management plan is that  of the costs that are involved in that process in the amount of time and just frequencies and so we would want to get that information from them relatively quickly so that we can look at what does that translate into parks department  budget manpower and dollars so that we were able to provide that information back to this body for your guys this consideration at this point we don't have additional staffing or resources or you know contingency moneys intended to go in and address any existing or and or inherited perpetuating situations that might be a part of these properties so we would need to get in there  do some site inspections ourselves go through kind of what more the inventory and existing circumstances are a talk with the other landowners in that area get acquainted with the groups that are interested in  doing different work out there and kind of begin that process so that we can get a good understanding if we're going to be the primary department from a management perspective so that we're able to better mane comments earlier this morning was above one point source pollution concerns so at this point in time your department you're not aware of any documentation or communication from let's say state line in that two resources department of health riccardi of any potential one point issues regarding the potential parcels for miscavige i guess the quick question for you is in in there we go are when given the responsibility if this land is purchased as the primary department not the only department at this time but probably the primary department would you be willing to work with all the various groups that have come forward to make sure that whatever it is intended and the plans that have been put that's fine that's fine but you would be willing to sit down and and work as quickly as possible to formulate what i would call a plan for all parties concerned so that we take control but today will be a big big asset to us to have that care custody and control and the stewardship of this land you guys would be willing to do that the program no thank you chair yeah we would look at coming in and again just identifying who all those partners are a lot of different projects facilities and expression as we move more into larger parcels we need partners within the community in order for us to be the  piece of property i thank you and i i truly believe in hearing that testified and hearing you know doing for this session and all the different people doing our budget hearings in high school i think there's a lot of groups that are willing to step forward immediately and help think that it's important for all of us to understand and i think i'm all i'm correct that there is no access from these parcels that we are acquiring and with thinking of acquiring and they take boats over my concern is what is this going to do to you know if we get it and it becomes more popular i heard well there's hardly use now except for big surfing events but what about d you see any increase use if we get it decrease us i really don't know you know the problem is the people that do this all the time know but we're the decision makers and we're not really  the daily use of the daily problems or what they're dealing with and that would be helpful to or maybe somebody from this group that is involved with this could give us a better idea we can ask for some and thank you chair yes there there currently is a way to get to the ocean from the jaws lookout so it wouldn't be on like one you would actually be heading slightly  at the sorry wrong line if you're over here at the lookout which is just on the edge of lot one there is a way a trail you can actually drive walk down with your board and reach the  ocean in addition if you're just talking about access to those regardless of the surfing issue you you can also access the ocean from from this side over here and that is basically this you know the potential use of collaboration with public private our departments such as yourself would this be i just want to know like are you folks involved with who bay and hauled that being  maintained or at all the parks department per se at all from the chair i don't i don't believe so ok so you folks don't have any participation in any of these open space blocks that we've purchased you know we all want as parks and things of that nature so you folks have not been part of any of these lands that we so far have purchased  think it's a complicated situation as far as management i think there's a lot of time struggles we get called in sometimes to assist if there's something you know specific efforts sometimes there's you know conversations that were part of that it's i think it's indicative of a larger just management issue for these types of properties that you know whether it's something that the parks department needs to look at a stablish ing some you know i mean if it's if it's a division or a section function that assists in overseeing you know opening conservation space because it's a very different management that's needed for these properties than there is for a ball field or beach park with restrooms in a parking lot and oftentimes in the conversations that we've had and i can revert back to the master planning process we're going through at qana hard right now is a great example because there's all of these different desired uses an appropriate uses different things that need to be preserved and protected in different ways that's battling with a desire for park space and the definition of park space in in people's minds can be very different and so i mean to directly answer your question no we're not a part of these you know management of open space but yet we are responsible as the department for a lot of these open space parcels and so where in a position already right now where we're asking a lot of questions with how do we restructure ourselves to been able to be better stewards of these properties and knowing that in order for that to happen we have to engage with the non profits and a lot of the partner organizations that are to exist in our community in order to gain the knowledge from them in order to be proper stewards of those properties so it's it's a it's a conversation we have pretty regularly in the last few months within the department and we're trying to figure out how do we again is it structuring ourselves a certain way or is it looking at you know maybe consultant type relationships to start off with but it's a it's a larger issue that we're wrestling with right now ok i appreciate your response and also appreciate that you folks do recognize there's you know issue happening and concerns and you're looking to address it so thank you thank you for your efforts and however this body can be a part of assisting you by all means you know i'm sure we're very mr couch thank you mr chair and thank you miss savage for being here before i ask the question i do want to remind the members and maybe i've been a little bit hard on the administration on some of these questions but we're the ones that initiated this process through the budget i know i second to mr guzman's motion so i want to thank the administration for moving forward with our initiative so but this is our chance to do our due diligence now so that's why we're asking some of the harder questions but this is our initiative so i want to thank everybody for getting it done pretty quick so i appreciate that you've had you have some practice if you will with public private partnerships maori raceway park is a good is kind of an example it's you know we lease it out to certain different groups so  you see any any issues with working with these groups that i mean there's three or four groups that have already expressed interest both here and in haiku when we went through the budget hearings so i mean they're already meeting arms how they can do that do you have problems with working with a group like that or do you think that should be done that in a different we've been pushing sense as long as i've been with the parks department to get the master plan finished for that site because the master plan has to be completed in order for the agreements to then be submitted back to the state for review before they can be executed so it's it's just one of those things that we love working with that group and we work with them very closely as the parks department and all those different users but it's a challenge to maintain and manage those types of larger complexes with a lot of different groups and usages if you don't have the formalized documentation in place with that being said there has and even before i was a part of parkes i know there was a lot of discussion about what's the best way to manage a site like raceway park because there's multiple groups that are interested in participating and i would first see this being the same type of a situation where it's not just one one group maybe collectively a group but there's different individuals and so that's what we would have to go and look at is is this one entity that we can look into more of a management type of relationship with or are there multiple different entities that all have their own specific interests of then the question is how do we hi all of those together so that we're not managing multiple agreements or multiple relationships is it kind of a co op you know type format that this the  multiple groups are willing to establish so those would be the types of things that we would we would need to move forward with and explore with them and then explore with our core counsel on what's going to be the best way for us to kind of tile those pieces together ok if i can put my two cents in having dealt with the raceway park user groups myself it's worse than herding cats on that one so it would be better to head it off not have separate groups establish have an overall management nonprofit in then have them work on the the the different entities so let's learn from our our prior issues so yeah i understand your our policy decision to set aside the funds i appreciate them moving on this and i i look forward to this question because it is a it's going to be a challenge to have various groups come together in and  ways to to use the land to the communities benefit and i'd like to point out that the haiku communities a very unique one in that when when we were faced with the removal of the playground at the fourth marine park the community came together and said if you you help us with the funding we'll make it happen and that park will reopen this saturday and so there's a lot of energy there's a lot of desire to see this happen to say that it's a piece of cake and a cake walk is wrong but i think with the administration's willingness to taken the initiative and i'm sure that mr goodman will in his committee have further discussions on how we can assist and in putting together a structure that would make some sense i think we have a shot at it and i'd like to think that we are doing something not only to preserve open space which is one of the primary purpose so this fund but we're able to do so in a way that will allow for cultural use for sporting news and for egg use and and at others that may come about so i buy appreciate the administration's willingness to take the lead in this and assist with this process i think you  and leadership in his committee also because i think one other items i would hope we can discuss in the future is the effectiveness of land trusts on properties we've already acquired and whether or not they are fulfilling the mission especially regarding public access to public lands and how are they to be dealing with them by our state constitution the rate of acres in the past spent millions and millions of dollars and we all get various comments about whether it's been good or bad so but maybe it's time for us to review that general to clarify some points of law for which is more cultural sites on there there are gathering traditional trails and i believe have been done in the last several i think nine or ten monts with the haiku community community association and the other interested user user parties that it's a great starting point and a lot has been discussed and it's for me it really should you know at this point has what at least a direction to go for it and i know that the land trust  is also involved that will be involved at some point i think all of this can be done we have to remember that i guess that two of our members will be leaving us and this will be a great legacy for them to leave behind for generations to come it would be their last gift to the county and i would appreciate the support thank you thank you this is victory in any questions before i know you have a requirement at eleven fifteen so less of a here any less questions you'd like to pose at this time not so much a question but i would things to goodman for those commonsense legacy besides that really is the fact that here we have a great  the farmers union while on the whole hammock or all these different groups and many others that i'm not to mention are willing to come forward this is a community effort and it only behooves us to get the land so we can make the rest come to fruition you know when i leave office today tomorrow or next week it doesn't make a difference this needs to be done and needs to be done now and you know and i hope today we will take action on it because it's so important that we get that first step we are fortunate we have the state by leave for point we've got latino political we've got we go on and on and on i agree sometimes maybe not enough forethought was given but in this  these groups have been made for for a number of months and for years they have been working there and i look at what alex bodhi had put out there and his farm and working with the kids that challenge you and this is another portion that i would like to honor his memory for all the good work he did in this community for so many years there are more reasons why we should then we should yes we need to check this we need and we can all do that and between b the environmental assessment has provided to us you know that there's no standing issues that we understand from an environmental environmental perspective yeah it's near the ocean so i don't know how much would grow over there but that's a different issue than and i'm sure the farmers can work on crops that do work most of the ocean and that's that's not going to be a problem for them but  know from my perspective there is no other outstanding issues that would prevent us from acquiring this property for open space if we have plans for it in the future then yeah that's when we have to decide whether or not so you know then future use would definitely have to do some more due diligence before utilizing it for those purposes but for acquisition purposes and keeping it in the open space don'ts for see any problems thank you for that are there any security issues currently or that we need to consider to mitigate potential issues that you may be aware of just the bo again we need a security gates put up as a want to immediate steps to prevent all of us i mean an increase of dumping or huge legal activity is that something we need to think about in employment quickly instead of  i would recommend that we put up a gate so that we can you know restrict access to that and work with the individuals that are going to be accessing the site whether it's for for gathering rights or whether it's for surf meets you know whatever the issues are that we can work with them on providing access but i do recommend that we put up a security sure we can do this well and properly and make it before counsel before the deadlines and that's why we do so we started today because there is no pressure to make it call today if you're not ready to so i'm going to take a five minute recess think about what you may need and then return and you can make it known and i will move from that point we are in be sure return to order members to choose going to ask you if there are additional requirements that you need to requests prior to deliberations on the decision as mr white first if it is requirements or a question he would like to pull i think it's your head as i mentioned earlier had a one more question for an b and during and during the break  the question i had was whether or not the water from the i could ditch might be available for use on this property and that's my understanding from those discussions have of already taken place no commitments and i don't believe it's part of this deal but i think it would be helpful if we could at least get the perspective of a and b on this thank you mr  care to give comment please thank you chair by randy and o n b yes my understanding is that other people in our corporate office are having discussions with the are there are quite a few complicating issues so that it's not something that can be done that easily or quickly but they are discussing it they have ongoing the water case where they're resolving those issues with regard to the  watershed state leases or licenses that feed into the ditch and other matters of that sorts in the past we have not normally provided water to anyone else we normally just use it for our agricultural purposes but you know they are willing to discuss it with the county to see what can be done they can join that was that was my interest is just to  get a sense of whether it be was open to providing water if that in fact was possible down the road i think that makes this makes us a little easier if we're going to be farming there even though it's my understanding that the farming that took place there was largely done without your geisha because of the heavy rains in that area which i'm very familiar with  of water meter list with their old t m case so they are existant out of water meter this day i believe it's number thirteen seventy nine so it'll be a while but yes they are in the water meter of this for future meters as well with the administration  if the administration has to get some starters strategic plan if something is for place in place so we know are we going to utilize these lands or is it just to acquire and leave it as such and how much involvement will there be from your community people who passionately and you know  pushed for us to come to this point i i think it's a value for us a come up with a plan as part of the process as to what we're going to come up with  testament to our ancestors and it tells a story to our young people i've heard about the land that can be farmed with agriculture  or just farming gardens and again you come in to educate our young people so this is why i ask if administration have put into some sort of strategic planning as we go and disperse this nine point five million dollars to to purchase this lands of value to our people i'm hoping that there is  sincere consideration to get some key stakeholders involved and they're the same people who have pushed the button for why it's here today and i think that's very very important so my question do you have a plan in place thank you thank you thank you you know those are very good impertinent questions and items to think about as we develop a plan as i mentioned right now where the immediate plan is acquisition the mayor has initiated discussions with the community for many of those items that you brought up and we would be committed to working with the community on other other items as well so but we have initiated discussion we are committed to working with the community this is definitely a community driven initiative and one that we  actually will be relying on the community to fulfill its ultimate vision and you know restoration of cultural sites is something that is to me i think very very important you know yes we have agel and i available there's a lot of other acland available but some of the a o and the historical uses of that property are something that i think would be very valuable to to retain carry on our initiative that we we didn't budget so really appreciate that i also want to thank a silent person that's been in the background doing this and that's mr go staff kathy she's she approached me long before anybody in the community did and said hey what do you think about this and i said i'd be very supportive of it if we can get everybody on board so i  to thank her for that too yeah we got a lot of things to deal with the caretaking of the land so and i have all faith in you guys and getting something done for that so with that you know knowing that you guys are going to manage it i really appreciate you bringing that up and i'm very supportive of this purchase thank you thank you  right there's electricity there there's power mr and i think ensure there is electric service in the in the vicinity there's no current power to the lots ok but we are signing on the utility easements for power event mico with me co i guess there's been a plan to start putting poles but one timer is going to signing onto easements for them in our paperwork currently yes that's correct so for example if you wanted to bring power through the red line on so that's what the easement would allow you to do ok i'm reading on the appraisal public the city is available to the parcel however there is no water supply which we've been discussing and i think mr white for addressing the tunnel because i thought well there's we've got easements now a perpetual easements for your ditch and tunnel where which runs water and also how are the crops grown previously he must have gotten water so that was but that was discussed a little bit ago so it's telling me this and telephone service is available and we suppose it is via septic system so telephone yes but  seen this stuff is on the main highway highway and if you want to rent it or bring in you are able to tap into the services that are out there yes that's correct so there's service in the area but if you don't have a transformer you don't have an actual meter on the lots of times we couldn't just immediately plug in you'd have to put in some lines connecting from the main to the actual lots ok and and chair and i agree i mean we discussed the string budget and of course you know i'm all about open space and preserving and protecting restore all this great stuff you know i just would like and in the very near future that the administration who is in charge of the negotiations and looking to purchase lands in the future mr bush just mentioned there's a lot of other ag lands available i would like us to get our head of this type of situation where it's been subdivided lots are up for sale to the public open market they're going for millions so then we're left with this kind of price tag you know i'd much rather have it to where we do a general overview of this county as a whole and just said where would we like places to be preserved such as this before it starts getting subdivided oh and then we are boxed into this corner into this wall like we are today that we out all the multimillions of dollars for if fallow ag lands that ought to be in the thousands but of course the cultural value and although there are some that come with it is priceless yes i understand that and very much support of it but i just really don't appreciate how you know this is it's a tough call nine point nine mill i have an affordable housing tig i'm trying to do things for and this kind of money can really go a long way there but again we're in this situation we have to make the best of it but i surely would like to see you know mr hear enough and yourself mr baas and who all the powers that be to please look at land way that they would like to see means to so again appreciate the people of the people of mccall out there to bring this to our attention to get us here today to preserve what we all know is very very important for a future generate ourselves and our future generations but i just really don't like how we're pretty much pushed into this but chair those are my comments thank you thank you shoot your thoughts on this  chair we have a chance to an opportunity to review the easements and we don't have any issues with any of them it seems reasonable than in common practice thank you we thank you mr baez additional comments we are setting up a meeting with you know the n b a s executives as well as the county departments to go over some of that future use so that is being planned yes we definitely want to prevent  what we've had to do here you know you know all these smaller lot purchases versus bigger purchases if we're going to have future uses for transportation accesses or agricultural use or anything like that so yeah that's definitely the top for mine as far as the dollar amount you know this was deliberated during the budget but in finance committees discussions and was approved by counsel of mine a million dollars so that's where we're love it when we have an issue like this where you know everybody is trying our best to make the best decision here and we're making a decision on nine and a half million dollar purchase i know it's assuming nine and a half million i see that pretty much as a down payment when i look at this property and i understand the cultural value is priceless however in order for us to turn this into a county that we can use for recreation and not be afraid of you know causing but if people are going to be there a lot we're going to have to do something and being number thirteen seventy nine on the whatever list tells me from the rig recent meetings we've been having in the water committee that it could be thirty years or more there's some miracle happens because it's a double where i am on that water meter list at least so you know unless there's some big change in how we handle water a country that's a real issue then of course comes t issue of sewers right with it you know i get worried when i hear people say we're using it as is what they really mean is that going in the bush is that's where people go when there is no facility you do which are going to do right and it could be lots and lots of people so either that or we're going to bring in portable parties that have to be maintained and this is why i'm concerned that we don't have a plan in front of us we making a decision to  preserve cultural access and it nets important that's very important but i want everybody to understand that this is not the investment if we want to have all the dreams come true there's going to be a lot more money invested behind  and so i'm going to a support this but i support it with reservations because i would have liked to see a little bit more as we make this decision and essentially that matter and there was a comment about  last legacy i'm sorry but i'm hoping that i leave a bigger legacy than this thank you this is not a bad legacy but i wish it's bigger than this thank you thank you m christians are coming sir thank you mr this this this actual property was initiated i understand where this cochran is coming from a feeling that is being pushed but this was initiated by the community and i my staff as well as mr white staff listen to the community and went forward to meet with that kind continuously make these meetings happen and hopefully under the guise of direction with the administration's assistance which they formed a task force we will then create a management plan and so all the users are seemingly  i'm accountable and moving forward and i would like to at least give some comfort to the members that i will my office will shepherd this through to fruition to create a management plan and so when we're looking at also the value or the costs of the property unfortunately we weren't unable to acquire a lot too if we had had that opportunity to be notified earlier or some type of system to see what properties were available we could have had this whole area one continuous lie i would have been bought but unfortunately a lot too was was already purchased it went on to the market at a very high price and through negotiations the listing price on the last page or second to the last page you can see that the listing price that m b was listening it at is less than the appraise value so then you see the appraised value now in b is even discounting offering us a property for even less than the appraised value so we are unless you want to question the braes and we are getting a discount on these properties unfortunately like i said we weren't able to get a lot too if we had not entered into these type of negotiations or at least a made in attempts these lights would have remained on the market and the urgency from the community was let's get involved let's get the county in fault in purchasing these properties before the other lot skitt soul to private owners so that being said i think we're really doing the people's work i know that sometimes we have to do the whole you know the cart before the horse and some of the projects that we've done that in the past we we've purchased property where and we've had yeah ideas or plans that weren't set before we purchased the property but we won't even have a right of entry unless we pay the property so let's get a right of entry let's this by the property we already have like ten months of work into i planning and i think this is a great opportunity for the ministration and the council and the community to start a new a new council will be coming soon so this is a great step in the right direction to working together on a community project so i asked for the support of the members and passage of this resolution i will defer to the motion for to  whyte since it is it's his district but i would only ask that i have the opportunity to second it thank you thank you mr koosman for shoot your comments your chair  not something we are fighting about so it's not going to be in the paper or in the media because this is something that we generally agree of general direction and policy  appreciate the mayor's effort under this i don't that's before the committee this morning i am going to be open to a motion this morning to move this forward to the council but i will be sending  a letter to the department of finance real property tax division because i want them to have time to respond back to the council or the committee my concern about how this sale impacts the valuations because it's not going to be comparable price lot and its impact on other small agricultural lots it's valuation and the ability to keep agricultural viable in this county we're looking at this proposal from one perspective for your chair from a taxation standpoint zoning and land use permit to use is i'm concerned for a growing community and i'm not ready to have quickly inflated values on plans because there's always still not a question of how viable will remain in this county so i'm going to send that question to the department and have them have time to think about it and respond back to the members so that you can have a well informed base to make your decision on second i think one of the things that i believe we should also consider in this transaction proposal is exactly what misplace us supporting this because i don't have an issue support but this is not the end of the financial requirements for this pull project area is going to take a lot more millions of dollars to move this forward millions  already have people concerned that they're paying too much but if we don't have revenue we don't have a chance to acquire property either but now the question becomes how do you maintain what you acquire like all of their property owners the county has its responsibility also to other property owners to meet its inventory in their fair clean healthy manner it's going to come down to the general fund that's going to come back down to real property tax i need to community to be informed about this financial impacts this is a good thing but to make it happen the community going to need to be willing to pay to make it work nothing and the future of a glance by ability as well as the free to impact of conversion to create what everybody has agreed to on saturday night is the crisis over and not too many solutions or ways to pay for regarding affordable housing past city we have the cash flow reserves we have a solid taxation structure that we've all worked hard to establish and i don't want it to go down the toilet it's too much at stake for this miss cochran thank you chair and i appreciate you looking at the taxation aspect of this because with all the open ag lands soon to be that's a key part of our larger real he and chief was mentioning down in the go gold is the homeless population and it's quite dangerous they do create fires or what have you so these kind of things are existing and so we're just going to walk in and buy as it is almost nine point five million dollars of money i mean i wouldn't you know if i had to go buy a car at least warmed up vacuum and hour and kind of put a little dust it off for somebody you know but is kind of same idea where wow maybe clean up some of this and but again that was probably during the negotiation period when all of that should have been hashed out but it's there's a lot of work and leads to myspace is commons and here's the whole maintenance and getting it up to you know keep it in a healthy fair you know safe manner is going to take a lot of doing so those are just my comments in reference to hopefully future purchases look into and things of that nature and also the farmers mentioned i know they have the report on this oil isn't what have you but you live in around pineapple fields and all of our contaminated wells and what report that discussion the comments of the members concerns of the members and the key point to clarify so this no mistake you know what our intention was in our decision so i plan to st work hard to make sure that it's very clear that the rection and policy discriminate he wants to set as regards to this matter any further questions members for either the administration  and be representatives at this time things that the staff and i have followed was that every document slightly referred to the proper subject parcels in a different manner so for consistency what we did was we revise the i would like the matter of the use of the parcels for acquisition and planning to come me on are to continue the requirements for implementation as well as the management plan concerns and finally the filing of county communication sixteen this one forty seven so moved her we have a motion made by mr white seconded by mr guzmn we are under discussion mr wait no further discussion chair thank you for bringing this up today thank  for the required appointment there is no further business before this committee so i thank you i think our communities for their testimony and comments i think the department and