just passed out or corrected our report from f y twenty seventeen for those of you that may not be familiar watching this the regional planning commission is a bit over fifty years old is a body made up  then we have various advisory committees around transportation planning water quality that you also have appointees on and you pay dues to as there's a little paragraph on the finances  essentially basically the municipal dues that we get really leverage state and federal dollars to the tune of about one dollar for local body of a dollar state and federal on the second page of the report we get more into specific things that we're doing with the town in last fiscal year which included giving you some reporter advice on a town plan and then several transportation projects mountain view road scoping north wales road scoping  taking a look at whether we could set up a transportation improvement district around the growth center we call the x twelve but it was really a task or grow center and then there's some other projects so it's really to get a real time information particularly well to drivers eventually but also to be trans so that they can actually know what's happening in real time as opposed to you know maybe having people call in or say there's  way here and so i think two things that can allow real time flow yeah and so they and so they can use it in a couple different ways one is to let drivers who might be further down the road hey there's a backup here or an accident you might want to go a different route or hopefully we get to a point where i think where we transferred actually read time signals depending on what they're actually seeing so i think they're they're getting to a place now where everything's much more connected yeah so well i think it's kind of the wave of the future who will get into the technologies role in our future but this is we're really just at the front end of how much technology is going to go beyond between traffic signals traveler information and cars worth so that's we will talk more about that into what you have in the capital program so you have a lot of things the camper program because there's a little road that's not going to get built anymore work so a whole bunch of the first i don't like to read all all of them  but the whole set there you'll see they all say circle turn as phase one two or three you have a lot of projects in that mix we'll see and i think you've gotten from at least once a year and update from the trans that process so i'm not going to speak for v trans on exactly when they're going to move forward but we are working on our transportation plan right now and so there we have an opportunity influence that schedule of what projects will go next in the trans capital program are these all these are all state funded i would say you know to the if it's if there's a safety project sometimes they can do  really i'll call it a commitment that the trans made to the town and to the to the whole county in lieu of doing the cirque to make these kinds of investments you know i can't remember the total now is like one hundred  capital list you'll see some of the earlier ones james brown drive traffic signal which is scheduled for construction either starting this spring or or in f one one thousand which starts in july one  i'll knock on wood i know that's been a long time coming and the park and ride they're looking at starting construction on that pretty soon too which is on the south side of the interchange which i think has gone through the town permitting process i think is all clear to move at activity as well yes yes it did the next couple pages are kind of a bolted list of different things that meaning environment community opportunity and sustainability but that's how we've branded our regional plan in our regional plan includes the metropolitan transportation plan and the comprehensive economic development strategy so before we combined all those in one those were three regional processes that happened in three different years and they were all updated every five years so three out of every five years we were having a conversation about overlapping conversations about the future of the county so we've brought it all together and tried to make a little bit more efficient and then we try to read we have goals in there and we try to report on our progress not just what's done but also we have indicators to track outcomes for the whole region so if you're interested there's eighty or ninety indicators that are in that score card that you see reference there and i assume this is all on the web it says ok yep yep yeah the annual report is kind of like a one year snapshot and the scorecard you'll see data going back to twenty six of the original and indicators and twenty  say but the indicators go back to two thousand and ten predominately some we go back a little further but we're really trying to track outcomes across a whole range of issues so we transportation housing environment health education  economic development strategy so drawn from port formed you may have seen the energy piece was kind of put out there the draft last month the economic development strategy i think is going out probably next week  for comment and then the transportation piece will be going out and in december vehicle for information yeah so it gives us access to sixty thousand households on so we you know we do county wide front porch or in public  publishing so yeah any other questions on these topics and and the other things you want to discuss while i'm here so this is really kind of a customer service check in from like how we doing in terms of providing services for the town and is there anything we can do better communities present that we have said we're not going to pursue it through the resolution that was presented to us there is some points for discussion to come up in regarding the governance issues a some future time in their future and i guess my question would be what if we as a board asked the r p c to do a study on the regional aspects of this both the pros and cons and makes recommendations and funding the stuff like that what is the process that you would go through if we actually did that yet so i think the reality that  board is made up of all the municipalities and so there's eighteen municipalities plus bills gore so all nineteen have a vote and would probably have a vote on something like that and so a majority of towns wanted us to move forward with the study or whatever it might be that you said could certainly be a topic of conversation but you know i think we work for the town so if they want to do that we will figure out a way to follow follow up on that we probably would obviously take some money whether it comes from our dues or whether it's dish will never be looked at as far as yeah i think we'd have to talk about the what what the scope of work is that you're looking for and how to find that you know similarly you know a regional dispatch was something that kind of came up from the towns that have  and each of the towns kicked in a few thousand bucks to to hire a consultant to look at that so we could certainly you know do a model something similar to that you know that one could be a little thornier with one town owns it one yes you for all your support and your agency support on the regional dispatch p errors found that were picked up during the reappraisal or grieved at the time the first one is a simple change that we found that there was an acreage change from point two three acres twenty five acres most of our house sits in town when we  go a mailing address change while we're not required to do this at the end of his requests it's simply that you know simple thing to make it easier for him to receive his ma so this is actually a couple of years old and basically there was a boundary line adjustment that was made and we ordered our ministry of system made the incorrect assigned to the to the owners far as the boundary line went so the property owner of that own this property was receiving a smaller tax bill than they should have on the one that had sold a significant portion of it receiving a bigger tax bill than they should have to make it in simple terms and this was brought to our attention and we brought it to the board this may and we did leave it to the owner that is going to have an increase result in a request for a big mint because it was not picked up last year but we're not sure if they sure it had this property having eight hundred square feet when actually is twelve hundred the reason for the area mit discrepancy is the base there is one thousand two hundred square feet and somebody had built a mezzanine area which is kind of like an addict if you will of six hundred square feet that was picked up at some point in time it is now gone and so we need to reflect the twelve hundred square feet and make it the same as of the other condominiums and it's our see this one says the thirty eastern scene and this was a correct name change on a very unclear tax return one of the things i've been working with debbie on is to try and identify that states getting into play that whenever she has one that's a little bit unclear she comes to me with that and we make sure that it's done correctly and so that's i would say miscommunication but i think that she started feeling pretty comfortable andrew wood so there was there was a parcel that was active including a low mobile home and land and then there was a parcel that was active just including land and the property or came up to us and said you have to basically double taxed on this dick made a mistake he created two parcels instead of one with a mobile home so we just step back off and have the mobile home and we end up on your third page you see that we had to decrease is a total of one hundred thirteen thousand eight hundred fifty dollars and one increase of two hundred two thousand five hundred dollars that was the lyric theatre parcel so our net increase that we receive will or should be because we do have to agreements on this the property owners have a right to appeal when we send them notice of any change to our property recent record would be eighty eight thousand six fifty or me it's about taxes of two hundred thirty four dollars and ninety three cents there's been some changes in your problem obviously aware that with a new addition to staff were likely going to be moving somewhere we're not sure exactly where yet it's actually unrelated really but it's related yet no but  what i'm talking about is respect to digitize your records and so in the process of realizing that there's a need for space we have an a list of agreed to allocate money from our reappraisal maintenance fund of up to ten fifteen thousand dollars to digitize all of our records in that office so everything that is in those filing cabinets will be digitized sometime in the next month and it  archived within hopefully our profile which is our computer assisted mass appraisal system so when we get people in our office that are looking at storable documents which sometimes they can and can't find anywhere else and old permit could be anything old ma lot be digitized and available through the public inquiry database and then we can and then get rid of those files to open up some space for us so that's the first process of it the digitally maps anything we receive will be converted to digital and if we need to kep key by law up a letter of appeal for a property owner has to be kept for five years for instance we will keep but we'll also digitize it  now we're going to be hopefully relatively paperless going forward which i'm really looking forward to i think it's a step in the retraction otherwise everything's spreading pretty smoothly no real surprises and finance office upstairs and the listers office downstairs there's a number of reasons for that but that's pretty much it now has not you know we're we are adding another person the office but that my person for the moment will be residing back here right now but it did give us a little bit a kick in the behind to kind of move forward with the digitizing and i was speaking to can actually about that he's like you're doing that so i think that he's probably excited about maybe going towards that direction over the planning and zoning office as well is that a service you purchase or is that something you'll do yourself so right now we're simply in the process of digitising i've called out to several different communities that have digital brawling so you go into the water and john's actually supposed to get back to me via text so it's probably on my phone right now as to what format we need to save those documents there's three different effective ways to save documents a typical adobe a j peg or a piece think it's called g g i f i'm not sure that's one i'm not familiar with but what i'm going to find out is what their vendors for the data management system itself is utilizing within their format so once we determine what that form as we're going to digitize we've got three bids that have come in and will be awarded that bid relatively quickly then once we get everything digitized them we're going to be seeking  help from it could be the company i'm trying to think with the there's a parent company to roll that out and i can't think of the name off my top of my head but speaking with russ bowden who's reappraisal for us they have a program that can work with profile and data management and so that's one option but that's what we all be working through in the next six months as to how we're  that data effectively and working with planning you know if they're going to become partners with so long awaited the very first neighborhood has come forth with everything in place for the town to incorporate their stormwater permit into our general permit in very brief the big backstory to broke is impaired due to storm water state finally worked to the town to have a way for these neighborhoods to renew their permits not have them expired anymore and this is part of th process where each neighborhood that was covered on any one of these expired permits has met standards by constructing a new system and then submitted a handful of legal documents to us to finalize process those include easements to the town and finishing their system and getting an engineer to sign off on that system so we're at a point now where this one neighborhood has given us everything we need and is ready to move forward sort here in front of a slick board to make you aware of it and hopefully just get on a go ahead to move forward but happy to answer any questions if there are hires or is it tone engineering firm it's their firm ok wash it consulting associates in this particular instance they're the ones who give us the certification of completion and actually their system has been done for some time at this point it's been tying together all the legal documentation which took longer than i think that is a pita but there were also the first to get this far so there were some back and forth with our town council as a program called the ecosystem frustration program it's a clean water initiative program lot of words there much for short stuff d e c a giving funds for various types of environmental improvements they have been grants the reason we're in such an excellent situation is we were the first to submit a draft of r p back in two thousand and twelve we hit the ground running with our most recent f r p one of the projects of which you just approved for us to incorporate and had arguably the largest number of shovel ready projects out of any municipality and that has shown itself in the fact that we have now and received six grants for seven separate neighborhoods to perform their stormwater upgrades there's a fifty percent match grants so we've got a roughly a million dollars of which five hundred thousand will be grant from the state what's extra exciting about that is the select for this past year also initiated the grant program for these neighborhoods that are participating in our forest aeration plan which means that five hundred thousand dollars once all the projects are completed and all those funds are received from the state we're going to redistribute them to the neighborhoods that are participating in this program and that's a lot more than i would have bet on a year ago and even if there's been two grand two rounds of grant funding in the first round we had haven't any idea any crystal ball to know whether this is going to continue is there anything changing at the state i would like to say we may be living in a stretch of years where this type of finding is a little bit more likely at the same moment more towns are aware of it now more projects will get closer to shovel ready than they were when these funds were initially  forth really what it was is we had pushed so hard our florist ration plan was farther ahead than many neighborhoods you know some people's forest ration plans instead of full scale design drawings like each of our neighborhoods had they just had a one dissipate being able to incorporate them in the spring so i don't make any promises we've already done so well that i'm happy with that and spending a lot of my time being a grant manager at this point but yeah we're going to keep applying for them it can you say how much how much potential do we have left for grants i think the total bill for all the stormwater projects was around two million is that right in the sphere is a spreadsheet that was  said they're not going to go forward with the grant submission we had only if we want to because i mean it just makes sense right to contribute and it's not a very big bill but we have to get a vote for it so we won't have our vote feb sure it was a mix some people said we just we just can't get together r h a way to give us a go ahead and others have said we're just not financially ready to even provide any sort of match or even enter into a loan agreement so it really was a read from the neighborhoods individual neighborhoods that dick dictated if they want us to apply or not so there is the potential for us to get not quite up to a hundred thousand again a couple neighborhood residents have already constructed and i can imagine a few just won't want to participate in this particular type of a grant is a really good fit for us because there are no real strings attached there are some other grants which are even higher match but perhaps a federal dollars which can actually increase the cost of a project so this is by far the most attractive grant for us and we've applied for these first two rounds and been successful with you further questions for james no ok thanks thanks we're going to skip over the health insurance plan or newly jennifer is at the planning commission meeting and will be here probably  report and the terminal site assessment and both of been completed and there were no significant problems i believe you have a summary of it revealed no evidence the e s a revealed no evidence of recognise environmental conditions in connection with the property what does that mean does that mean they actually did cite assessments like you know i'm bored holes and tested soil or they just looked at records of past phase one they do not do physical on site investigations so they just do record checks and  the when you're deciding whether or not you do phase one or hire phase you have to evaluate whether you have some sense that there may have been activity on this parcel it's right in the past and there was no sense in this case so that's what we did a phase one with their own liability mean the property isn't necessary isn't necessarily useful right it's kind of behind some current developments or areas that has no no road access rate it's underneath power lines right there are certain limitations that do limit it and i think there is a potential for gaining access but we don't have that right now so that the value to the town of owning the potential for a future access liability concern because of soil contamination or anything we don't do we have any protection as a result of this report a legal term do they have any responsibility for the accuracy and their recommendation if there was some significant contamination the company would say well we just you know we wasn't shown in the recent research we did we had they just it was our premiums and from the cross blue shield i say we received our increase because we did receive an increase this year i have yet to see health insurance costs go down just unfortunate  we did see an increase for both our premium and our deductibles that our employees have to pay for each plan the premium we were expecting and we had budgeted for premium increase because we've been continuing to see premium increases and the change in deductible was not something we had planned on as you can see in my notes here we started this plan  twenty sixteen and this is the first time that we've seen a change in the deductible amounts and it's due to the actuarial value that the plan hast to maintain in order to stay a gold level plan it needed to have a certain mix of the deductible versus premium and that is where we ended up so for this year a single person the deductible went up two hundred fifty dollars and for a family it went up five hundred dollars rick and i talked about this because we got this information in mid october and we have to do our open enrollment period in november so there wasn't a lot of time at that point to go out and look for other options and so we felt for this year we would ask the town pick up that additional deductible  for employees and then we are going to look at other options for this upcoming year and really trying to find a plan that meets our employe needs but also is fiscally responsible we can't continue to come to the select board or the taxpayers and say can we fund more of this because each year it's just it's it's a large expense for the town and for that either so you being the employees nor the tone so hopefully people at some point rise up and say enough is enough of this crazy situation but  their extra deductible of their own pockets so how does the h r e work that's a it's a fund the pays into health reimbursement account and so that's another thing when rick says it would apply to everyone if if you don't use all of those h r a dollars even if the town adds an extra five hundred dollars for your family if you don't use that amount that is not charged to the town so it's  there for you but each year those accounts go back to zero and they're not so they're not like a health savings account where a but that's the term puts that money there to defray the cost of the the utilization rate is about eighty percent and when we chose this plan and that was what we do used as an estimate because you never quite sure and we've been pretty close to being right on target  issue now not for jennifer so the the budget did we budget increase we budget increases for health insurance did we budget anything for the  part of the league per se but only does support these different clans and how the league actually got out of the business of providing health insurance so they that's not an option anymore yeah this is probably a discussion for you're suggesting next year we need to look at those i was just wondering if in terms of approving these budget changes we're going to approving the no welly i think we're going to be able to accommodate this story in the current fiscal year without any hit with deductibles that they're not expecting single parents stuff that happened in state was not sustainable by any stretch so that's what you're watching interesting health care situation is terrible  so it hit it hit everybody so good to us and that's why we just didn't feel like telling somebody in october that their deductible of going to go up for next year and it just didn't feel like something just as an example it's a local company and they were hit with i think twenty six percent i shouldn't say this in the record maybe but twenty six percent increases it's not private it's public but twenty six percent and they took away the pakistan situation going up right crazy in the last decade or just as one of the largest increases we had a long time and it sounds crazy but you know to roughly ten percent there's a lot but it's as you point out there's four bigger increases happening other  probably can you know just about nobody can bargain in history and we were able to do something different the sars the health plan at that time any further questions for jennifer if not we need a motion  take those discretionary funds now that we know the increases within the individual departments and spread that out amongst the departments there is no overall increase to the budget just moving it from one line item in the budget to the various so when you talk about the water department that is what is what is our water department staff so they have four people in the water what in the water and sewer so we spend half their time between water and sewer it's the same crew going at the same projects and they also pay a portion of clerical staff and director salaries and starts december and then the board reviews it december january and proves that you know it's quite a ways in advance of when we actually spend the money and often the slight board really don't want to set wages until just before the beginning of the fiscal year which is joy first and so what we've done traditionally is put up money in a little pot called the reserve fund or i don't know what it's called  and and this is particularly it was also hoped for with union negotiations where you don't have the contract resolved until after the budget is approved for example we start you negotiation of fire  spring yet there their new contract presumably will go into effect july first twenty eighteen so we don't want to put money in their specific salary accounts to telegraph how much we may be willing to include in their union contract so we put it into this discretionary account and then once the contract is resolved or once the slike board approves the wages for all the nonunion employees then instead of keeping that money in that so in this page this represents for people different categories it's also makes it hard when you look at the budget just to try to understand how we're paying a lot of our jobs to look at the bunch of understand what being people  the eighty thousand forty dollars in each of those categories that that's here for people ok so the clerical and the superintendent and the overtime actually applies to those people as well but the clerical and the superintendent those are those support departments that help those utilities operate so it's a portion of those wages helpful year we weren't sure what to expect going forward but it fell back down to what we were expecting for that we are still seeing the increases in rooms and meals tax revenue so we are other revenue highlight and this is you know one of those things that we're going to probably talk about it a few times as we go through the budget process that we've changed how we are doing the stormwater projects we started at the end of last year with some grant work and we're doing it this year we actually have software in our public works department where they can go in and say we're working on this project for this neighborhood and they can provide a report that says these are the wages associated with that project and this is the equipment use associated with that project so in past years we've just allocated that out we've said ok two months your time is going to go to storm water and that portion of vehicle fuel and oil and some other expenses will go to storm water and now we're in a place where we can actually use that software so what we're doing is using that to record revenue in the highway department so you'll see some higher expenses in highway in labor and equipment use in highway the revenue will offset that and then we'll actually be able to build  stormwater for those individual projects and you'll see that in this year's budget it's going to be confusing until we get some history to look at but i think it will be helpful for us especially when we start working on the individual neighborhoods once we take on the storm water systems and we can actually see this is how much we're spending on this project and we as we plan for them it'll provide us great information to now we have to do this project this year and this is what it's going to cost us and we can have some good data yes so we're getting there it's going to be messing this year th no way around it so that's where you're seeing the higher highway revenues and then the higher expenses to offset that's primarily a budget tool and you're going to use it to record and keep track of the information is the employer better in the future it and i showed it to them and said we want to start using this going forward for the highway stormwater work and they supported that decision so the other major expenses we did have a waterline break on route two were hoping to get insurance dollars from the construction company that was doing that work still going through the process there right now years we're seeing the expenses in the water department that hopefully will get a credit from the construction of the road to what it would be nice to get a rebate on th would like to be able to keep chickens and are currently ours doing regulations don't provide for it unless they meet certain size requirements and so there's been a kind of a hold up in pursuing this because we couldn't change even commission and come back with some thoughts if we're going to proceed with this what would have to happen and they've come back with some relatively minor changes to the regulations that would be required this is this there is a second range of issues which really don't come within or fall into the development review regulations and that is does the community if we're going to allow this want to be regulate this activity in any form there are some communities that do that they have specific ordinances as relates to keeping of chickens there may be health concerns you know i don't know all the issues but  and so the zoning regulations are not necessarily the proper mechanism to provide that type of regulation a separate ordinance would be and so that's a second series of issues you know if you the board does want to become more permissive then do we want to also regulate i could say you don't have to you know you could just leave them regulated and see what happens and then if there's a need you can consider adopting regulations at that point in time we're neither of which whichever way the board wants to go on this just for clarification i just want to make sure i understand this if you live in a padded now that has covenants and restrictions with it that prohibit that any change that you're i think we should pursue the zoning change but the hand hand with an ordinance to regulate and i can say i don't even want to consider this without regulation as i'm sorry and yes in order to do i thought it was comprehensive so and i'm on the same page as you i like the idea of allowing it was for the do something i mean i'll put my on there just so it's out there i'm not in favor of this but if we're going to do this than and want to see that it i haven't seen this work well yet that's the reason why i'm not in favor of it so if we get to the point of actually going forward with a little to require public hearings and everything along the same ones i'm i'm not sure the board is pursuing a change in the just the development bylaws there is a recommendation here  reason i bring that up as if if you were interested in just the bylaws and maybe separately the ordinance then you could move forward with one without the asli other but i'm guessing that's probably not yeah so will try to run a parallel path and i think it matters a little bit what his numbers meant because if he's really just fucking about disconnected small but wondering whether there's really a neighbor problem or not because when i think about neighborhoods i think about we're southridge or you know we're i think all three of us living in a neighborhood of some kind and you know having chickens and every house in the neighborhood probably because that would have to me that would make a difference in how i would view the not necessity of an ordinary having nearly night down i don't see any limitation whatsoever that's what's that was what brought me to the ordinance so quickly was there was no limitation and we already have proposed amendments to the bylaws so this process doesn't have to take too long this next step the only thing would be sounds like the military mentioned that you'd like to get some people and maybe to provide some guidance to the board in things you look for so it will be just a matter of trying to coordinate schedules and for a guy who in those agencies would be best to come visit with us like board people talk about chicken shit i haven't actually asked you know all these people many people have more people wrote in this in just about anything that i've seen letters out there raising chickens for the eggs not raising chickens to slaughter are going to be  we'll go on to the miners report and i have an opportunity to chat with managers from all around the world actually and brought a lot of interesting ideas back  here in the community outreach program there was actually an article in the local observer on this that article was taken from my previous comments i've given to the  didn't speak to the reporter independently of my reports the sniper on this i do have a little bit more information which i included in my written report here wilson share of this program for the next six months which is  first twenty eight hundred through june thirtieth twenty a team is a little over seven thousand dollars and we there's some ounce of money that have been and spent in the police department is we're understaffed and we continue to be understaffed like board out of the existing money that we have in the police budget to pay for this service i think has tremendous potential and it's being subsidized by the state and i believe half the costs at least initially is being paid by the state and the other half of the half is being paid by the city of south burlington so all the other towns response for the twenty five percent of the remains and that's it and it's divided up based on population will also be including money in the budget for next fiscal year to cover a full year of that my one of my concerns though is that we keep good track of the services and try to relate that to changes in what's happening out in the street in other words i'm i'm hoping to be able to see improvements in certain things and so we have to identify what kinds of things we need to measure what kinds of things we measuring and use those as metrics moving forward part of that will be the responsibility of the social workers and and of course the social workers be hired through the howard health cent and so they'll be supervising these social workers but it's it's an important service and i was talking to the police chief today about a situation where they got a call for an overdose in the parking lot of best buy and they were able to track i think down the person who sold this and in the process of doing that they found someone else that was just about to overdose and the same stuff that the first guy over there is that they say that person from actually inflicting the overdose on themselves it's just and  that's only part of it you know this is only the opiate crisis only really part of it there's also a really a separate mental health they're kind of interrelated but there's a lot of other families that are in this way of dealing with opiate a crisis  dealing with mental health issues and in the hope is that social workers will be able to deal with those more effectively than police officers can because sometimes when police officer show up they're called because the families that were there once and they can't deal with the person but police officers need forms or necessary a calming effect on the person that's experiencing a mental health crisis happened in burlington from the howard center like angels do that outreach like i have this must be like an all kind of thing here alex now it's going to be more than that the yes they're going to be on call if there's an emergency situation but the hope is that they will be available to reach out to families before there is an emergency because you can identify the families that are experiencing mental health issues not everyone obviously but there's some that are kind of recurring situations we also have a homeless population in this community i have talked to some people recently and they're estimating it's between ten and twenty people so it's you know that we have that and then on top of that the opiate crisis  end state why the number of suicides is on the rise and that's a concern as well so there's lots of different pieces here that involve our police department it also involves our fire department ambulance squad and neither one on either group or social workers and hopefully with evolving another level of assistance we can mitigate some of the issues that these people are dealing with it's not going to solve the problem but it might be able to help so well that this will be coming back for future consideration by the board and the other another item coming up for  finalized and as you heard charlie mentioned charlie baker we should be getting a copy of that surely it's gone through a review by the state and a member of attorneys  anyway the board will have a difficult decision whether or not to places on the warning for town meeting because frankly i don't think we're quite ready here in a place where we want this service just yet on the other hand i'm fairly confident this is a service we will want and need in the future and so do we want to jump in and participate in the formation of the scene in district if we do we don't necessarily have to become a paying member s and the board has between now and say the end of january to make this decision as to whether or not i'm behind doing so and when that is presented to you  the we had worked through and done some repair work on replacing pumps and things that particular station they hope to get some additional life out of the greats partly because they were running out of money but it turns out  the extended lifeless not didn't really materialize you know each station when we do a renovation it's maybe jennifer can help me with the number but it could be is like three hundred thousand three hundred fifty thousand to totally renovate a pump station and we try to do one every other year not other business i just have a couple of quick ones so the we had a letter from the remote missiles works and treasures association they said it was with great pleasure that i write to tell you on good timing