can get up to two years they can apply for daca and they'll get two years of legal residence and then they can apply every two years to keep renewing yeah and so the whole like idea behind this thing is that you know these kids came here they were brought here with their parents like ninety nine percent of the time they were brought here with their parents like unwillingly and it wasn't really their choice so it's pretty unfair i mean to punish them severely and harshly with the normal normal punishment well the punishment would be sending them back to their home country and  like for some of them or for many of them they don't really remember their home country what they know is america and their home is america so the idea is something a back to their home country would be unfair when really they just identify as americans and it's just it's not not equal citizenship what doc actually does it just protects these young people who came here not by choice with their parents illegally from deport and also give them a work permit and a in a driver's license in different situations but so the big issues that if you're in dhaka you're actually not guaranteed to be an american citizen you apply for a new every two years and that could either be accepted or rejected and that's a common myth i think a lot of people just say it's it's a pathway to citizenship and that's why they really it's like that's why a lot of people say it's wrong because it's unfair for them to just easily get it but it's now it's not it's not the case but what's happening is so in this georgia court ruling they're saying that darker darker students or d residents will not have the same rights as a normal resident in that state which is saying they're basically an equal now they're citing a two thousand and fifteen u s department of education memo that said that this was allowed that institution each state could decide if dark a residen would be allowed this institution but really i don't think it's fair because they're essentially citizens for this period two years except in this respect i mean yeah they get protected rights just like every single you're allowed that you're given by but you know by the land so it just doesn't make sense that they're american or they get the rights of everyone else but can't afford this and one shocking fact about this is that you know dr receive it's actually not they're not allowed to apply they don't have access to federal student aid so it's not like you know they have other ways of paying for school in state tuition is you know way to it's like a discount where they can kind of pay for it in a cheaper way now what argument would be like darker residents parents well they're most likely illegal because they came here illegally and so their parents are not paying taxes and for the most part and the other person in that state their parents are paying taxes and these taxes is what would be going towards this in state tuition th fear right because they're paying taxes this is sticking lower than income so one argument would be why should darker students be getting the money from hardworking americans parents who are paying taxes exactly i mean basically the whole point of like an in state school is that hundred active ducker recipients and all those twenty one thousand six hundred possibly not even possibly will not have access to state wide financial aid and so what this is saying is like this is a relevant number twenty one thousand six hundred right that's a lot of people who are being affected and this could set a precedent for many other states so we kind of have to decide now like is this something that like we should be doing because really a dark a dark a resident a dark has the same amount of rights as any other legal resident in this country except as i've seen in this respect and that's why i don't really understand why especially since they're not eligible financial aid in most schools yeah right for example i mean where high school is and these decorous cyprian's you go to the elementary school with them to kindergarten to high school and it's just  it's a it's messed up that you see you know someone who you've been just as american as you are even if not if not more and some situations why should they not have access to what you have you know a lot of people do depend on state schools because they usually affordable and offer a lot the make a lot of sense a lot of people and so it's unfair that that recipients who allegedly have you know as much as much rights as us is legal as a legal american citizen as a legal american resident that they do not have access to this i mean and this is especially considering how i mean we all know how expensive schools are in america so i mean i mean most people like coming to the united states illegally i mean you're definitely not very wealthy so you're coming here poor and can't afford like any and i mean the idea that they're not even eligible for financial aid financial aid for many is almost the only way they can pay for school besides alone and alone it leaves you i think i've heard some some some of the people i know who are older there a aid i mean there should be better ways for them to get an education because if it's it may not be a path to citizenship but if you want them to contribute to society in a way that's further than just minimum wage job or another type of job i mean you're  to have to give them an opportunity for an education past high school you know interestingly this was also sent to the supreme court once and the supreme court ruled on how the supreme court yeah and they rejected it so it's interesting that a lot of for these illegal immigrants to be lawfully present but they're still trying are you they're not lawfully present they should be getting this institution but i disagree and kind of just to go back to the point of how expensive colleges and this is right about the time where you know all we've all been looking at colleges and where you're making the decision you know do i want to go private one of the benefits or the pros and cons of going private and do i want to go state and a lot of the a lot of the times in say just makes sense for example university of georgia for in state it's twenty six thousand dollars for a year out of state is forty four thousand dollars for a year i mean looking at those two prices almost half for someone you know who is a doctor recipient i'm going to guess that you know they're not making the most money they're not struggling to get by and when you you know you get a forty four thousand dollars bill to go to school when you're just as american as everyone else that's unsettling you know you see the people who have gone to elementary school to you've literally spent you know you know about seventeen years of a life with them and then you realize oh wait i don't get the benefits that they do i can't go to this school that i've spent you know seventeen years of my life because i'm not i'm not fully american you know it's too much to afford and i think it's sad the one thing that i don't think any parent wants to hear any student wants to hear is that i can't go to school because i can't afford it you know that's one thing that shouldn't be and so you're saying that the in state tuition for university of georgia around like twenty six thousand dollars so that's still i mean obviously and then so for some students who can't even afford that there's no was a call there's no financial aid as well as a financial aid and you could get you know a personal loan but you know the rates on those they're not the best for an eighteen year old out of high school with you know undocumented parents i don't think you know the bank is going to be very friendly to you giving you a good a good percentage and then you're just accumulating debt for and these dark days dr residence already have all the disadvantages of having parents who come illegally which means they're probably not getting the highest paying jobs right so they don't even have the money to pay for in state tuition how are they going to get the money to put out a situation and so if you're looking for a cheaper option for college i mean there just isn't one dollar for a doctor student i mean there are other options outside of college which would be trade school but why should we limit someone who just a doctor resident when he's in here i mean exactly like back to girls point you know once you're given all these opportunities and then there's just like why just take out this one opportunity out of all the ones you have out of all the rights you have as american dream is there but only if you're not in the dock a program only if your parents didn't come here illegally what i fail to understand how can we you know the question is how can even call an american dream if we're literally cutting off what i mean with such  a price difference like that when we shut was shutting down someone just based on the fact that they were not born in the fact that their parents brought them here illegally i mean you need to keep in mind though that like ok like i understand there are this is unfair but still i mean  isn't someone who's coming to coming to america with the right in the right process i mean they are still keep in mind they are still coming here illegally which if they didn't make that choice some of them don't have options like i was doing some stories or some people who are running away from past that they just don't want to be a part of right they feel like that's somewhat understandable because in the end of the day like they come here legally i mean it shouldn't be understandable if you have all the rights as if we all have the same rights why should we have why should you why should one of us have an exception that's the issue if i'm allowed to private public schools with you for for seventeen years of my life if i live if i'm american if i live the american you know then if i'm part of the american culture why should i not fully benefit from being an american to go off the darkness into saying they came here illegally not them it's their parents they came here leaving were needed as decision i mean for most of them or at least almost all of them didn't make that decision it wasn't theirs and that's why i think this program on top of many programs you can't even make that argument it wasn't their decision it wasn't their decision they came here and they don't have a pass to go back to they don't have anything to go back to so we should give them the best opportunity we can here in america you know i do think they have a past to go back to and that's the american past they are american the they're just as american as anyone else's isn't and that just you know to make matters worse the doctor program it's not a permanent thing you know you could write that say hypothetically you do pay that you find a way to pay that forty four thousand dollars do you know to go in st of georgia you doctor you know your permit could be not in two years after two years you know the isn't a guarantee you could get you know in trouble with the law or you know you know get a felony or something and that could be stopping you so but i mean you know all this are just stuck together and it's tough to say that someone can be equally successful as someone other than a an american would fall right now but committing a felony or committing a crime shouldn't be an excuse i mean ok like it's i feel like these people are fortunate being given an opportunity here and like if i think it's unfair to say that  against you like that it could affect you it really could end this what we see in certain neighborhoods things are stacked up against and it's hard to make it out so if you have the pressure to you know pay for your school to earn to earn something it's much easier to fall into the better ways to help them but i don't think like if they commit the felony i don't think they should be able to stay on but don't get me wrong i'm not condoning or supporting anyone who would commit i think you know if you commit depending on what size of crime and you know how many  and you know just based on the law i don't think i'm not condoning that and i'm not saying that you should be getting a pass but what i'm saying is that even if this doctor recipients even if they do stake squeaky clean as we can see with this law it seems like they don't benefit from that and that's what i think  anyone you know what you can get almost all of them but not this one i don't think it should be like that but if i think the state should have the power to make laws you know that affects us citizens but i don't think it should be in the doctor in the doctor situation i don't think they should have that i think we're doing is that we're putting people in corners that we you know number one you don't put some in a corner and not because they should be able to figure the way out of it is that you know desperate times call for desperate measures and we don't want that that's not what we want it's almost prophecy you're saying all these legal immigrants are criminals and you're not giving them any opportunities or guess what they're going to turn to car going to yeah exactly and i mean do you think that the as of now the doc a recipient program it's you renewed every two years do you think that should be you know that should be should they had more time should they take off time i think maybe add more time but make it so there's like clauses right so if you're convicted of a felony or you start going down the wrong path or you start like not being a contributing member of society this new law that's been put in place basically saying that like all the students that are between the age of three and fifteen can bring their francisco or did they just like have to keep them shut off when they're at school and i mean this isn't a major issue in schools i mean cell phones can be used for basically anything right you have a massive computer your hands it can be a distraction it can be used for cheating really it can be used for anything and so the school wants to control this right they don't want to be able to i mean let you be distracted they want to make sure you learn right and then they don't want to let you che sure it's controlled environment and they can make sure you're actually learning yeah exactly i mean this is something we see at our school all the time i mean and close i feel like the teacher has to like at least once every class tell us tell us student to get off their phone i mean i think that like it just should be something teachers have to worry about or students i mean because they're also you know they're really not benefiting from and i'm using their phone and my vision is negatively affecting i'm very happy that's three to fifteen right when you're three to fifteen you're you're more or less a child or you can make your own decisions once you get to sixty and that's when you're kind of becoming an adult someone who's sixteen you can't be believing them you can't be telling them oh you can't be on your phone i mean they're at a point where really they should be able to make their own decisions if they don't if they want to slack off in class if they don't want to do their work that's their decision it's affecting  like they know the effect on their lives at that point in their lives i think they're mature enough to make their own decisions i do a really good point i think it should be i mean i do agree that cell phones are a destruction and we see this all the time don't want high school is working relentlessly to put to put  policies in place that you know cut down the amount of cell phone usage at school but it's tough to to cut down you know to cut down on the phone when you know i go to school with my with my laptop and my i pad and my phone so right you cut down my phone i have my i pad most  classes require me to have an i pad even if you take out the i pad right i sit on my laptop so these take taken away that i take away the phone doesn't take away the problem the problem is that you know i guess it's a good thing but the classroom is moving for technologically and more and more classroom that utilizing i pads computers so taking away the phone doesn't necessarily mean that you're solving the issue the issue still is getting distracted i think it solves the main issue right the main issue is the teacher doesn't want you going on snapchat and just snapping all your doing if you're on your phone you have a hidden below you this is kind of hard for the teacher so i think it takes out the main issue there's still there's still going to be kinks there's still going to be like i mean there's going to example where people still abuse or technology in the wrong way but i think overall issue is the phone and they're trying to prevent but i think it personally comes down to you as an individual if you feel like you want to use a phone you should be ready you want you to phone a question you should be ready and accept the consequences that comes with that so you could spend you know forty five minutes of a class on your phone or you couldn't and you know the benefits or the result of that show up on the test so i think rather than the school the school shouldn't really enforce that i think it should be you as an individual right why going to school or going to school to play games and snapshot or you going to school to get education  so it should be an individual thing right for me when i think about it like right my parents want me to be somewhere in the next in a certain amount of years in order for me to get there that means that i don't use my phone for forty five minutes on a math class i actively make that decision i could use my phone but imagine not to so i think it should be put on the student because as right as you grow from you know from pre teen to teenage years to adulthood you should be getting challenged you should be getting everything done for you should be getting challenge and it should be your decision making should be should be getting challenged you have i mean there's also like a difference because if it's a young kid who doesn't know any better i mean there's when you're still really young there isn't that much motivation i mean if why not just go on your phone and like like just play games on your phone for example like i feel like if if a kid isn't being guided it's so easy to just like really not take things seriously at school so why let so many kids slip up i mean when you could just like help them so much by just stopping it from happening in the st place and basically forcing them to to focus in class and just take it seriously forcing them to focus in class i don't think you actually do it you can't force someone to focus in class you can try and eliminate distractions but that doesn't always work you could take away my phone but i could be you know daydreaming every time in class so i think if we make it you know it's your personal responsibility you do what you feel is right and this only applies i think you know th grade or above i think high school and above this doesn't quite apply to the young kids i think that's that's a little different to you know to high schoolers i think it should be your person responsibility if you feel like you want to pay attention in class and you want to get one hundred percent of the material that your teacher is you know in putting on you then you should make that decision yeah so i think again it's it goes back to the three to fifteen thing if you're three to fifteen yeah technology is going is going forward so fast but you know should we should we let that should be like drop the age should kids be getting phones early and early should kids be getting laptops early and earlier on that's it's an interesting question that parents have to deal with sheetal is it just because  have your daughter or your son has friends that have you know the latest mac book or the latest i phone should your daughter your son have that that's a big question but i mean that's also that's another problem recently i mean the phenomenon of screen like screen addiction just like constantly needing your phone always going to be on your phone i mean there's even this thing called like like no no cell phone no mobile phone phobia issues like this thing where like when you don't have your phone on you you literally feel like stressed or like freaked out because you don't have your like comfort as device you know it's the fear of missing out and i've seen some understood is that dome of high school they have been putting up these assignments where you know you got thirty minutes out of phone and just write about what you see go on in nature and i think that's a positive step that's a step that's you know it's helping especially us young people where everything is on our phone you know i just checked my grades on my phone i can text my friends i can reach out to maybe half of the school with one text message now that that's really good but that you have to be a responsible person have to be able to make good decisions and i think definitely working with what don't have school specifically doing working to move cell phones away from the classroom is a is a step forward and i do you know i do have to give credit to the french government for doing this is this is an important step if we can get kids away from cell phones who could probably do you know a lot more than what we're doing right now what i'd be interested to see test scores go up right there is to set a status probably in france i mean there are different america will the scores go up after i mean definite maybe not after a year but w the the next generation do better so this is france basically saying you know we can make your parents not buy you phones but we don't think you're ready or mature enough really make the right decision with this phone because you're big you have everything right on the phone and so we don't think you're mature enough to make decisions so we're saying when you're in school you can't use it right and then we're going to make sure you learn what you need to learn and you do what you need to do so you'll be successful in school and you'll be successful in the future yeah and i think i even have an answer to your question paul because there was a study done by the london school of economics and political scientists and it basically just showed that like test scores went up when cellphones are banned in school so i mean it clearly there is like a correlation between the two and i mean back to goes point before about you know taking  time without your phone i remember freshman year we had this assignment in school actually where we we were technically supposed to try to spend twenty four hours technology free and i think i see fall apart laughing right there because like no one no one in our school did it i mean no one really made the effort to actually do the twenty four hours without any technology whatsoever i mean i know that everyone i talked to they just said that they just you know they lied about the whole thing and i tried my best i think i want yeah i think i want those i maybe one of my know and i mean i think maybe there were people like paul that like you know made actually made an effort to you know put away their phone and but they just couldn't because of that phobia again you know that like the new term people have been using no phone phobia just a thing where you're stressed when you don't have you always like you have you feel like you need your phone with you to function like properly but as paul brought up and they're interested to see how the test scores are going to be affected because again phones are used for cheating you know people use phones cheat and it's unfair to know that someone's sometimes you'll know someone cheating in a class but can't be a snitch you know people if you if a word comes out that you're the one who called out someone for cheating you know you're probably going to be going to have a rough time at school and it's tough you know it's really tough to work you're working really hard in a class to get a good grade and then someone who doesn't work as hard someone who's cheating gets a better grade than you so i think phones i don't see a benefit of that that's just it i really don't and it's interesting that schools are moving you know they're moving forward so fast technology but how are they going to deal with you know with the school you know they have to i mean like we said they have to keep up with the with the new problems they're facing on addiction and yeah every year there's something else that they're trying to limit or trying to change right this year they're having like you can't you have to put your phone somewhere before you come to the class to make sure you're focused during class i know sometimes when i'm in class i'll be like where's my phone now realized when i put in the i put in the spot right and even if you're not necessarily responding to the text messages every time my phone i mean time again notification my phone buzzes that's a distraction you feel an impulse the check it had a conversation with someone and someone said you know i'll get back to you at some point and you get a notification it might not be related by like oh wait so and so told me that they're going to get back to me it could be them and you're always so you so you know the you're spending time in class but a percentage of that time is not in what's go in the context in the content of what you're learning in class  that's it's very interesting how teachers and parents are going to have to do it i think that's going to help like a big about like that like need to take out your phone if you know you don't have it if you know you can't have it you're not even to worry about it for at least most of the students  case in there so it looks like their phone is there but it isn't actually there just because they feel like they always need their phone you would be surprised what a high school students what students how far that would go to keep their phone i was actually i was in germany this summer and i had a friend of mine and i went to a german school and you know what the school does not have wife yeah the school does not have wi fi they use the use it and it lines for the school computers phones are no phones are just not allowed in school and i found that so interesting you know people are at their high  constantly check but i think you know besides the school what are parents going to do because these many rules that you know the school or the school might enforce but parents don't enforce so i think it's not just you know a school thing it's up to the parents also enforce you know like if your son or daughter is doing their homework there is absolutely no reason to be on your phone yeah it really is that if they want to listen to music stereo radio is always available you know an i pod doesn't distract you you know so these are these ways around this and i feel like parents sometimes don't fully you know in my opinion like if you're really like forcing your kid not have their phone right once they go off to college wants to go somewhere else once there is no big brother you know telling you exactly what to do you're kind of going to go off the rails you're go you know just because once you get if you don't have some of the option and given the option after a while they're going to and that's why i think i like to fifteen once or sixteen you have to be mature enough to make your own decisions you have to decide i don't i'm not using my phone right now not  not to use an i pod now i have to just do my homework not to focus yeah i agree with what you're saying paul you should definitely try both things because i mean like a few times last year i mean i would have my phone right next to me and i would start when i was studying and i just can't tell you how much of a distraction it is like you can get your work done so much faster if you really just try being quick and if and get it done with i mean it can just take so much more time when your phone is just right next to you i mean so now what i what i try doing is i just try to like put it in another room or something where i can hear it where i that and that you know the st day was almost like well you know i'm used to spending upwards of seven hours on my phone you know i'm used to spending upwards of seven hours facing a screen let me correct that and i don't know if it's not my phone it's my computer it's not my don't have to go a whole weekend try and go you know a saturday without your phone a sunday without your phone it's the feeling you get is it's just it's something that you will you'll fall in love with it it's an amazing feeling just knowing that you're not bound to this thing it's funny and you know me and my dad on the drive to school always talking and you know my dad works at a china and he's all saying this kids they're attached to their phones you know the general not even allowed to have your phone out but some reason the kids have their phones it's very interesting to see how teachers and you know h governments interesting how governments are dealing with it definitely combat cheating just destruction that shouldn't be there and i think the end result is going to be positive i think this is going to be a positive move for the for the french students and you  i'm not just saying this but i think i would like to be a french student with this terror going up there without cellphones you know i've been to two countries where they strictly no phones at school and it's so different than american schools and i would like to see that maybe you know happened in massachusetts