first one we want is really really many page two second line i think it's supposed to be except and not expect the ones that really care but perhaps more importantly to k but there is still another correction on page nine where we voted i was not listed as a many just for clarification so commissioner even though they haven't signed their oath of office they can still sit on the commission  go at it so basically it was just that your comment about making the changes on a piece to second line from expected except i just want to say that line and you obviously knew all that tense but i think you better her going through it with a fine if you want to really that's very helpful commissioners any other discussion in next and i am moving a little quickly tonight because our money folks are going to be flying out on the last flight so our item d which was regarding commissioners ok so we're going to go ahead and i don't see which is communications in the first item is that january twenty sixth two thousand and seventeen for the semiannual report in july through december two thousand and sixteen submitted by misled mccoury senior vice president of governmental affairs to nominate you regarding the project irrigation demand associated with the residential and multi family development of manelli commissions no questions or comments i'm going to open it up for public testimony and then if you could just stay up is there anyone i'm in the audience that with breaks to provide a public toast testimony specifically on this item maybe changes into manelli put a few hundred million dollars into the good news is we're actually seeing a different we actually think we will have a brick even more profit next year that will be the very first time people are coming people are spending that kind of money that it takes to stay there so you know it's very it's just kind of confirming the old statement  museum quality i should put it that way so there are results pretty much the same people working there because you still have to keep looking nice and so has to be maintained so it's not about her that we should see fewer people one of the things that we had initially started i think if you remember about to the beginning what we originally started with looking at list taking now and forgetting the call first name this is the bear think you ever going to have jack nicklaus revision and his team that come out and have done all kinds of pre planned those and everything else for the golf course and we knew that those go ass that was there does not work i mean it's not nicholas quality so we ordered this particular soft water tolerant grass which means that you can use  use a different type of water you don't need totally clear particle of water or you can are one more and the way that works and the way they sell it is that chew they give you this se correlate and when you use it you pay for i know that sounds backwards but that's how they sell this grass and the concept of it is that until you use it you're not going to be making any money so therefore we don't charge you for anything but once you do use it then we charge you for it and without the expect that what will happen is you'll keep repeating the order for additional grass so long term business right actually it is their business most of the time because people do put the grass what they do is they keep buying more and more and that's where they make their they make their return over the long term but they're all present at this point commission on water resource management and gave them the notification he would be grilling the size we would be to see that you have to notify them every time we would change something so initially when we went in we had a smaller quantity one quick one so i read an article in civic business news that said well a golf course is actually being redesigned by the bear you know he gets things not quite right  regular basis i mean he's using information that he has there was no going back to when we were doing the community and if you read some of his articles you'll note that he's pulling things that are first it was like you this is difficult home is supposed to come out talk to the community and you change your mind again but what i've noticed now it's been almost four years like that here every time they change a thing we  polar they don't own a sign for which i don't understand it on their property and if their water that they are using i will understand it never get a straight answer on that inaccurate if you get a straight answer for me and either so i jest it is you think you were going to go ahead and close public testimony and now i will move on to the item number two which of the directors report by agenda items for march fifteen economy commission meets once a month in the one city or is otherwise directed by the commission chairperson or the planning director and to state that needs may be cancelled due to lack of pending business section twelve for one twenty every is proposed to be amended to allow that by in a document with the commission to be submitted electronically subsection to of for why i need to eat it's proposed to be amended to increase the notice period for a public hearing on a rule amendment for twenty to thirty days in compliance with section one hundred one cash three a i correct when i say that we're only then allowed to talk about these specific sections of the rules tonight either you know other rules we can bring that are you sure that was that was when i kind of wanted to get to because it being in my mind anyways when asking for this to be on that agenda it was to have a discussion i think in general about the rules and not necessarily the right and we it's a specific roles so it's we can discuss that after not could be put on for later the next see what you folks are thinking and then we can provide comment and feedback i mean i also had wanted to look at twelve for a one twenty eight which is rewriting attendance but i backed obviously wasn't posted for public hearing so let's just go ahead and then just get started with what we'd you know was posted what we do have in front of us and i think it would be helpful for all to kind of break it down and go it's we're talking about this and it makes total sense obviously truly a public library because we haven't met barry and i don't know how long how i read this and what you guys are now putting in is saying that means will be held at least once a month in the e c or are as otherwise directed by the chairperson or that director that last statement i think is a little too vague i mean they could be interpreted as well the director now wants us to come to molly and basically according to the rules he would be following that i think it needs to be specific and what was the you know expenses or we're not we've had that whole conversation i just fear that this could be interpreted as well you know like this month we don't want to come over so we're going to have the meaning of marty and how i'm really not that we fly according to the rules so i think we need to so what you're saying is it might not be in one hundred city it might be a monopoly or wherever but it will always be the only one correct absolutely i don't think you on mary news qualifies for here and so that hopefully there is never a complaint against us from the budget office again so anything commissioner is any discussion so it's looking that of o we open up public hearings to anyone at this time and want to give public testimony on this i come o and again this is just regarding these rules that are in front of us that were  of nowhere you know sort of put on their agenda that this was given to us in advance and this is exactly where we have the meeting so that we can share and discuss what's before us thank you thank you chair that's the law requires that measurements or relatively straightforward and the rules themselves are so long what was posted on your agenda was actually what was in the public hearing notice a summary description of them not the entire rules sometimes depending on the nature of the changes we do publish the example already i mean i think this summary was so that's what his position paper at least thirty years of and there are other things like communication items things that are on your with the recommendation so that you guys have we vote on amending the rule was and they come back to talking about this specific question about changing the the wording so that sign i think using the word pending makes it clear that it's something that has already been brought to the commission talked about to put out an agenda because if you were to just say like the commission change from twenty to thirty days notice period ok so those that i'm sorry you had a discussion all in favor of the motion raise your you know proposing about cancelling me i think it's safe to say through our discussion if i'm hearing everybody correctly used correct me if i'm wrong that we all agreed on the question it would be great if the director had a conversation with you and you would have a conversation with us but you can't have a conversation with us because it violates the sunshine rules and that's kind of been the issue because when all it has been proposed to council meetings i would get an e mail but i can't go around in that and consult with the rest of the commissioners and i feel like that business so i feel like to give all the commissioners the opportunity if they want to request and be together and then again they may not know that at the end of the meeting there needs to be i think it needs to be made  very clear here how that counseling would work who is notified is it will discuss amongst the commission and is it voted i mean i don't think anybody and well i can't say that i don't i don't object necessary to cancel the meetings if there is absolutely nothing you don't there's no workshops there's no commission business yeah i mean it makes sense to cancel but i there needs to that this has been decided at the end of our meeting because as only time we can actually talk all together but kelly and karen had an agenda item you were still you were all the two commissioners so she could say h how would that i know currently get it and i believe the commissioner could ask you or could ask the department directly and then the president would check with the chair so this doesn't change that yeah i think that was a poor is that if it's always just the kind of partner that record companies saying we're we want to cancel and want to cancel we want to cancel through a form of e mail a week before the good meeting there's not that opportunity for what is considered worth having a meeting back when a discussion in the past where you know we've asked for something and oil that's just the only thing on their agenda so what you know i think there's all these to be very clear from the other acting out of line if you will if there is no business that you're resisting that there's a meeting the director has a responsibility to staff and of course counsel we're not going to go over there and at the same time it protects the chair from you know no we don't want to have a meeting not going to that i mean this is ready to be scheduled the community still has issues with it you know where we're going to cancel we're going to cancel the meeting because we need more time for that schedule but i nicely and that it and that being us being able to have this discussion is very helpful because i mean up until this point how many people really went and read through all the girls you know but now we're having this discussion and we're all that i feel where specifically on this i or this section what it's going to be so so changing it to th said having it attached as one of the great directed by the chairperson and the director there if it was all a buzz as a commission and then maybe go maybe like yeah you know i would really like to learn more about the just it needs to be very very clear process and i think we all have seen in the past what's wrong is i've been on the commission anyways i'm on a plane to meet their counsel and then we you know we've had a whole discussion about abilities in the financial part of it and you know why you have workshops and you know it's just this kind of ongoing discussion but it's never really clear away where that department stands on some of these things office that would be sufficient crack then i think there needs to be that kind of understanding between the pain department and us so that yeah i mean i think we could have that even added on it there is a just simply saying need is maybe kinds of it's a lack of pending commission business or other or otherwise what is it nodding and shaking hands in the background and given that you know we have a few community members that stayed all the way to the end to listen to this discussion i mean if you commissioner that you don't object to me opening up public testimony one last position so that if there's consideration of cancellation the chair and the director will discuss and that have to have good reason to cancel if the if the chairperson of the regular disagreed then the media will still go on because it's a before position that will have a meeting every month now you can have commission business that you guys are have to make your decision on it like a lot of business so you can have three or four things hanging on the parking lot and then if there's no official business look at whom are already to put to things for the next meeting again this is your or your be held at least once a month so it has to happen at these sites i'm at and in order for us to ca goal position so actually because we added that word and the second part of it kind of becomes redundant right like right now it's sane that regular means i'll be out of these once a month is otherwise directed by the chairperson and director and then it goes into counseling or is otherwise direct so i could actually just read regularly shall be held at least once a month on the high end of lady meetings may be canceled is proposed to be cancelled the director shall notify individual commissioners for input prior to the chairperson and the director directing that can be cancelled have core and there's been a few times of me data and i think there was a time the mayor was here he made a comment about you know your role as a commissioner seriously and being at the meetings i remember when i first came on board there is a commissioner