submit with respect to the asylum claim and in light of the recent decision in simha that you can have individual lies persecution in the context of widespread civil violence or unrest and with natives in fiji whose pattern of practice would be to stop vehicles especially after the two thousand crew and if the vehicle didn't stop or the driver didn't stop when they were still in the vehicle he was one of these victims and he t well other then the vehicle stop your honor i believe he also testified that he had violent encounters with natives when he would go to business meetings and he was confronted by natives and he testified that at least on in the evidence it's in the record demonstrate that your client suffered more than that no your honor let me how does it how does it qualify as past persecution fortunately neither the court nor i did counsel followed up it's truly offensive not simply the inconvenience or harassment that happens in too many parts of the world for that matter too many places in our own country and the record here isn't very specific at all with regard to what the cell the petitioner so what is that causes us to say that the i j a couldn't or that the i a e a couldn't reasonably have concluded were compelled to determine that in fact what your client has suffered was passed persecution i would submit that the petition s testimony about incidents specific to him occurred in the aftermath or right after the december two thousand crew how does that tell us that he really suffered a severe injury or that what he described as severe injuries something that we would describe as severe is pages twelve and thirteen aroun based crime which is referred to with cetera and then on the next page he seems to categorize petitioners in spencer as the minimalist as quote incidents of harassment or relatively minor physical is certainly true as the court held in st if you experience persecution it doesn't matter when you experience persecution but where your where the sorts of harms are the sorts of times that are part and parcel to some sort of ethnic personally are when he was carrying walking through certain parts of the city and he says he was beaten although he doesn't provide any any detail or any development of that other than where he was beaten how often by whom how severely but he does  it's page five seventy seven the the unsolved mystery record and so it's page forty two of the little the transcript number if you don't have the consolidated record in front of you the second question you said today that when you went to the city they sacked me did they attack you because they thought you had a lot of money answer yes they thought that i might have that i have money in my bag because i do drive new cars they heard that i might have money that's why they that's the only time where he's actually alleging some sort of severe injury then that is there and by his own testimony that's not it there's not a nexus to protect him ground the times where if there is then perhaps we need and would be appropriate for the agency to make it more clear i think it's clear enough i don't think that that we should be but the course should be reading decisions you know but the court needs to be sensitive i think to the fact that immigration judges are making decisions in these cases and thousands and thousands of cases a year the ford has tens of thousands per year they are not always models of clarity they're sometimes unfortunately are rarely models of clarity persecution we have vague and unclear testimony and we have an admission that it was not in part because i was indian it was because i might have because they thought i had money that was that was mr chandran own words so in that in that in that case i don't think that it's that it makes much the man for the for simply for the board to say yes we find no past persecution we find that none of the harms is the harms do not rise to the level of  there's a pattern or practice of persecution of persecution he does not face persecution he says there isn't this this court is well aware of the unfortunate plight of  certainly was not careful with his words as he should have been in that passage but he's not suggesting in the bourne is ever found to my knowledge a pattern of practice of persecution and in fiji so i think what he's saying is it ethnic indians in fiji that's that's not that's not to be disputed and it's not to say that that station is more you know didn't have reason to think you know maybe we really this is not the place we want to want to live and want to