good evening we're glad that you are here and the fifteenth of march just a few days before the first day of spring and we're glad that we can be a part of a community that cares about each other and wants to make a difference for the future boer here we have a choir mayor thank you you know we will next go to what this community has done for many years begin with an opening prayer and i will leave that this morning at this evening and then we'll follow that with the pledge of allegiance we would love it if you would stand with us if you would like i have the father we thank you for this evening we thank you for the balance in nature for the way that we can celebrate four seasons in this area the way that we can celebrate it within a week sometimes we thank you for the way you control so much we are grateful that we can be in a country where we can meet and discuss and vote and think and run a meeting together we pray that you will help us in this evening to make decisions that honor you that we will do what is best for the good of the whole in the long term that will make decisions based on what is right and good we thank you lord for those who have come this evening that want to share their opinions and their concerns we appreciate their heart and their deep commitment to this community we thank you that you are here that you are the giver of every good and perfect gift we thank you for the wonderful community that you haven't trusted to us we pray that you will help us to be faithful and good as we serve you in this capacity this evening in your name we pray  next we will have the consented gender read by an upright a deputy's city clerk she will go through all different items that are on the agenda and then at the end of that we will pass those with one emotion perhaps whatever you came here because you are interested in one of those items that she will be reading as a part of the consent of genda if that's the case at the end of her reading i will open the floor and you may come to the podium and tell us which item you would like removed from the consent agenda and then it will remain as it is your printed copy and we'll handle it in its sequence as it's printed otherwise we will just approve those items as a as a block so in a could you please read the consent to gender item four eight to excuse the absence of council member clomp urgent item for b to approve the minutes of the regular meeting held march one two thousand and seventeen i don't foresee to accept and file executed oath of office from various boards and commissions item twelve a one to approve a contract with corby energy services inc in the total amount of sixty two thousand nine hundred dollars and forty five cents  authority for a five year term with option for renewal opinion approval asked a farm by the city attorney item twelve he three to approve the membership agreement with merit network for five years and the total amount of such in the amount of seven hundred fifty dollars per year for a total amount of three thousand seven hundred fifty pending approval as to form by the city attorney twelve a four to approve the lease agreement for property behind the greeley substation with ronald mean heis for the amount of one thousand per year for the next five years twelve eighty five to approve an amendment to the existence of the of howland park township water system operation in mean its contract twelve eighty six and seventeen to place in except for first reading the pro connection ordinance and schedule a final hearing for the april nineteenth two thousand two thousand and seventeen council meeting as previously adopted by resolution by the hallam board of public works i am twelve the one to approve application submitted for the two thousand and seventeen tulip time entertainment licenses i am twelve d two to approve the renewable of all existing tabletop liquor licenses and the deputy clerk of the instructor to forward a copy of the council action along with the comments provided here in to the michigan liquor controls commission i am twelve each one point one to approve a purchase order vehement with hal an engineer incorporated in the amount of six thousand seven hundred hours to develop a site plan for the city's propose composting miria with funding to be provided from the municipal capital improvement fund in streets operating budget item twelve one point two to approve a consent agreement to allow amtrak to make necessary related improvements to possessed portions of the platform and accessible passed at the padlocks transportation center substantially consistent with plans as proposed item twelve e's three point one two adopt resolution are two thousand seventeen point thirteen supporting the submittal of a grant application in the amount of seventy five thousand to the michigan department of natural resources recreation passport grant for construction of a dog park and walty farm item twelve point two to declare s surplus two thousand and two john deere pro gator and to authorize staff to dispose of all arguments in the manner that is most advantageous to the city item twelve the four point three to approve an agreement with c bid to resurface marine park court at a cost of sixty seven thousand five hundred sixty dollars and to authorize an additional twenty thousand for the extensive repairs subject to the approval of the city engineer and that the municipal capital improvement fund budget be amended to cover all cost of the project up to eighty seven thousand five hundred sixty dollars and item twelve five point one two approved indemnification release from liability agreement with alec and city police department for the use of the seat belt convincer at the tulip time and the national night out events and to authorize the mayor and deputy clerk to sign agreements thank  now as i said before that is the whole list of the consent agenda but perhaps one of those items that she read you would like us to address in sequence as printed in the agenda if that's the case please make your way to the podium and give us your name and address and the item you would like pulled from the consent agenda thank you tak any other items and we have an emotion for the consent agenda with that change motion due to the amended yes yes peters birch yes lynn yes white man yes yes mayor depart yes we have the voters you know thank you all right we're moving on to a special presentation and national night out i believe soon harder is here to tell us about that thank you thank you man america made america members of city colorful and citizens of the city of holl i'm pleased to announce that the city of holland has again received national recognition for our national night out program it's our outstanding participation for the twenty fifth year that has led to this national award this year's campaign involved over thirty eight point five million people across sixteen thousand communities from all fifty states u s territories and military bases worldwide all of the award winners are posted on the national association of town watch website and additionally some of the photos from our event were posted in the air in their newsletter so i would like to give particular thanks to the already organizing committee and the many public safety members volunteers donors and organizations that came together to make our event a success and i think larry madsen is here he was a big and  instrumental part of organizing a lot of the first responders and police officers that were involved so we thank you for that and the commitment or the crash vehicle i forget what it's called thank you so we are beginning to plan for this year's national light out and we really appreciate councils continued support of the national night out program we think it's really important for neighbors and first responders and police officers to get together and celebrate the good relationships we have and continue to work on police community relations whenever possible plus we like to have a lot of fun so we enjoy that and i would just ask man america i could present you the award and then if you would show it in your office for some time yeah i'm great thank you so much  thank you sue if you've been in charge of this for how many years twenty five you know you didn't start when you were three i started when i was three we actually i've been with the city almost twenty seven years and we started twenty six years ago so we've been doing the actual night out for twenty six years i did it probably for the first five years and probably the last ten years or so in between that was the wonderful and you have have a college park right holland park august first it's always a first tuesday in august so please put it on your calendar in the hours are what hours is it i think we're going to extend it a little bit this year we'll probably start at four and go totally and you know you hear so many things about bad relationships and it is great to know that there's an effort that's this nationwide fifty states where people are just getting together in communities and learning about public safety and getting to know each other in their neighbors in favor say aye right pose the same sign that carries thank you so we are moving to public comment at this time if you came here to comment about something that does not appear later in the thank you miranda so mayor and council and the city of holland residents we are so excited for the past twenty two years we have been providing an event called park parties where we invite children and families to come to the local parks where everyone is invited and everything is free and as we were evaluating where we were going to go in the summer of two thousand and seventeen college park in holland was a spot we definitely wanted to go and working with your team we have selected july twentieth as our official day for our twenty second park party here in how and and we just want to say thank you so much for supporting these events and for saying come on in and opening up that gorgeous park for us so we're thrilled to bring the party back and we wanted to announce event to invite all of you to come on out and experience or park party thank you so much miranda and it is a wonderful idea you had one day of how to build stronger families in west michigan and to have the hard work and heart to approach people in business and say hey can you support this would you be willing to do this in order to make the families have memory time together and opportunity that maybe they wouldn't have any other way and so we are paul that you choose to come to holland and i know the parks department really appreciates working with you and has a great great relationship and we love collin park and we love sharing that with everybody still thank you so much thanks for coming down and oh thank you excited for it all right and we hope to see you all there thanks thank you miranda so public comment is still open if someone would like to come and talk to them yeah i'm judge baillargeon from elgin county and i'm just hopefully my secretary will got the message through that we're going to try to make it tonight my jury finished up at six thirty so we made it here just in time i think i'm just here to give you  a little bit of information in regard to the state of the court we have our annual report that we wanted to provide and mainly the reason i wanted to bring it here to you and discuss it with you is we have a couple of our specialty courts in particular that  impact some of the residents of the city here and in one of the courts of the veterans treatment court is regionalised court ottawa is part of the region that we  have developed for that and i just want to make sure you understood that that was that we're moving forward with that court that we have already now seven successful graduates of our of our that are demanded by the court but we also utilize the court to make sure that they're following up with the treatment regimes to help them reintegrate fully and be and recover from any of the traumas that they may have incurred while service of our nation that being said i know you have a very long agenda and i don't want to take up more time than than i should but i would certainly like and i always perhaps it's not obvious i should have said that way i would like to say that one of the most fulfilling things that i'm able to do it is to work very closely with joe jonas and judge can all that you have here in jonas did in creating the sobriety court here and i on that on that point i utilized their court as a blueprint for how we were going to be developing ours it's been greatly successful for the last several years and we're also developing now really truly virtually cutting and pasting everything they do we're developing our own sobriety court as well so that is something that should be actually be begin to welcome participants actually even this month i hope so i tip my hat and i am always wanting to make sure that you take the time to  say thank you to both of them for their mentorship and their their leadership in this and they are certainly nationally recognized but so does anyone have any questions regarding the veterans treatment court in particular but either sobriety court or drug treatment  know mike not so much a question but a statement and i appreciate the fact that you recognize what's happening up here in town and out of what county because this is not a local problem it's a regional problem and if we can have the consistency between the two courts it makes it to be proud of and and how do you not cooperate wonderfully with the out of our courts they got some wonderful wonderful personalities and they've always been so welcome and so it's easy to cooperate with people that are just so professional and so courteous and you know and follow them and you're here enjoy will to work with well it is really encouraging to not just represent justice but also mercy and to give people hope and pappa out you know it's one thing to sentence and all of that but and i don't envy your position it's very difficult but to do that with with wisdom and grace and to help people out of situations it is amazing thing and so i was really thankful to hear about the sobriety court here and all of judge jonas's and work and it's just wonderful when you have a region where people are understand a principle higher than themselves and are willing to be creative and innovative and still have integrity so  y thank you so much thank you with your permission maybe yes thank you my bedtime say to thank you thank you for coming is is there anyone else that would like to address the council that have an item that's not later on the agenda hello my name is lou and i can and i just wanted to share with you something that i read in a southern living magazine and i thought it was such a cool idea and i thought how did you do that it's called tulips for the picking and it's about a farm in virginia that turned a little extra income they ordered sixteen thousand from the hauen in the netherlands and they thought they would sell them to retail stores and they decided to plant them themselves and open the fields up for the locals to pick their own tulips and it was such a success they didn't advertise they just put out a sign and the next year they planted it went from sixteen thousand to one hundred thousand two hundred fifty thousand and last year they planted eight hundred thousand and i thought what a cool idea and after the season was done they planted sunflowers and did the same thing and i forgot one other fact they did sell intreat tickets ahead of time so that they could control the crowds but that's just a thought i wanted to share and you can think about it crane to you that's a great idea thank you so much for time to come down and share a great idea we are to your right is there anyone else that is here to address council hall and perhaps other city facilities can pick up a copy perhaps even all of you when you get a chance along with a number of law enforcement personnel sitting in township  officials from across allegheny county last thursday we participated in a briefing on the new medical marijuana law that the legislature in its wisdom passed suffice to say that there are will have a few more pieces of business that take care finally in terms of direct action items affecting our local governments i attended the american public power projects enable for us to keep up i can report this is my third time i've been there previous two years there was not much interest in hearing the plight of municipalities and public power utilities by the members of congress saying all we all have to pay but i think this year we had a very positive reception in our michigan offices particularly particularly for our two congressmen that serve the city congressman upton's office and congressman highs in his office and i think the prospect for preserving the tax exemption for me this will balance is greater than it has been in the last couple of years finally as a member of the board of commissioners and allegheny county i serve as the county's representative on the west michigan regional airport authority and in that context ten years ago this council took the major step of inviting our neighbors to participate in operating and running  what was then to a city airport now as west michigan regional airport and ten years later the fruit has has come to bear as a result of that habitation last month west michigan airport the west which may or port authority rather was cited by the michigan department of transportation office of aeronautics as the airport sponsor of the year for the general aviation airport category there are three awards every year given one for air carrier airports one for general aviation airports of which there are seventy in the state of michigan and sponsors engineering firms i'd like to read  know it's a little long but i think it's a very important citation and then i'll give you another piece of hardware because like this is the night just because in the in the tradition of the stanley cup we're going to rotate this among the other governments part time which of us had it for a week and that it will from here up beyond is on to zero in which you have the partners but here's the citation the award is presented in recognition of sustained excellence and can contribution to aviation progress in the state of michigan the west michigan airport authority is being commended in particular for coordination of outstanding local efforts involved in the recent completion of their new state of the art airport business center and aircraft a project at the west michigan regional airport this valuable community asset greatly enhances the airport's position as the primary access hub for economic global activity for the region we appreciate your service on so many levels they are on the national board right american power and so is dave custer general manager ok you're the policy he's director well that is for a small town like how and that is a amazing thing we appreciate your service and all those areas and the b p board and helping us understand what's going on in allegan county we appreciate you coming in with reports thank you thank you i have a comment that they would like to give to counsel to see evening is donna rudolph in the audience i know you came here tonight  to talk about leader dogs for the blind lady and i happen to gather for almost two years in i am legally blind and i am teaming up with our river town prost scenes to do a fundraiser for leader dogs for the blind prison puppy program lady was raised in a prison and inmate raised her for eleven months and then she went back to leave her dogs for the formal training so my way to get back to the inmates is to do this fundraiser where we are joined us on march twenty five when you come into our you'll see lady and i make a donation even a cash or check donation as well and to give you fifteen percent off your purchase that day that's even if they have a sale going on that fifteen percent is on top of the still price in the inmates really don't have much to work with with the tools with the supplies that they get a lot of them don't even have any toys or collars so leader dogs likes to try to give them a way to really sold and so i'm trying to help leader dogs out because they help me out i have more independence more confidence and if you would have asked me just two years ago to be up here to do this i would've said absolutely not forty years without a cane and spent much time running and walking into glass doors falling down stairs and not really able to cross the street by yourself i never wanted to yeah i always had someone help me and now i can do all these things and dependently just lady and i and i have a good relationship with her puppy raiser which is an inmate so this leader dog for the blind takes puppies and gives them to prisoners who train them to be leader dogs and then they go from the prison to a leader dog program and then you  everybody applies and so as videos and eventually a committee maybe decide to choose you and then you go to went to like twenty six days training to learn days of training and there is a lot to do i mean there's a lot to learn it's not just given you a dog and throw you out in the street what that you the training was very hard but it was a learning process you had some good day she had some bad days but at the end result lady and i are a good team we're not a perfect team yet but we're getting there we thank you so much don for coming in and telling your story and i prisoner that worked with your dog and it's so wonderful for the blind and or almost blind that really can discover their independence and their confidence and the whole world becomes new for them so thank you so much for what you're doing to help other people in response to a difficult difficult things you've had to deal with yourself don you're really an inspiration thanks for coming in thank you may so we're going to move into the special order of the day we'll have a public hearing to create an industrial development district right  pleased to say today that we have an application to expand the telephone development area of forty eighth street associated with l g chem with us tonight is can resume representing the lake shore advantage in their effort in this regard as well as a representative of cam the application is to establish an industrial development district and the its for expansion of the industry in that area if created it would make the industry expansions which has not begun yet eligible for industrial facilities tax abatement which is enabled and permitted by p a one ninety eight and is something the city council does routinely to encourage economic development so after the public hearing and perhaps during it you would like to have can resume introduce the representative but afterwards the turkmen and city council adopt the attached resolution to create an industrial development district for property located eight seven five  nine zero one east forty eight st thank you ryan so yes we are open to a public hearing so if there's anyone here who would like to speak to this possible development district you're welcome to come arrived how and different type of incentive was utilized so we never really set that property up as a district so that's why we're coming here tonight trevor might want to say if you come it's thank you over the past couple years have been growing exponentially and in order to facilitate some of this additional growth we've actually decided to have a new facility on our site and it's going to be about one hundred five thousand square feet anticipate within the next one to two years adding an additional one hundred to one hundred fifty jobs and at full capacity an additional three hundred or so so and you already imply over five hundred and the other building right  almost five hundred i believe yes yeah yeah great thank you very much they might have questions or comments for them yet go ahead when this was originally presented it was section of the property west for the physical building expansion and then there's also additional land in this resolution for property east i'm not clear on the east side of that how that is it's that expansion or that utilization is that is it something that we're missing and that i've missed but to be confused on that i think the reason our times you know do the first step of setting up the district it's better to blanket the whole problem to the whole thing so we looked at their ownership and we decide to do it all once again at a waiter point time we don't have to come back into another district just cover the whole property one one shot great thank you i was going to suggest maybe a field trip to korea to really do some due diligence and that's but i think that would not be in the city budget series of different items that have been tabled and we'll take them back on to be considered some of you came for different things that you wanted to talk about i did want to say that in the context of this meeting we kind of silently appreciate or disagree with what someone is saying i appreciated the clapping for dawn and her situation but when we discuss issues or we just all listen and nobody needs to react and so that we can all keep a clear head and think through what we're talking about so i'd appreciate it if you would please stay with those rules as we go through these different items that are coming up so first of all we'll have the adoption of the twenty seven thousand city of holland a master plan we need a motion to take that off the table so you move move by just doing support supported by hook strata all those  good evening scuse me good evening madam mayor and a city council members with great pleasure that i come back to front of you tonight with the recommendation from the planning commission  to adopt or have final adoption of the two thousand and seventeen city hall and master plan so as vote two years ago now that we started working on a redo  during that interim period we've also been doing many neighborhood plans as you're well aware so we been doing lots of planning but it was time to get back to the city masterplan so  i have a really great report that i could share with you and i'd love to be able to spend like thirty minutes or an hour but i think we have a lot of people that want to speak here tonight so i'll make my comments very brief so just to enter into the public record here the city of holland master plan is the official policy guide for how its future growth and development the master plan summarizes the community's vision for the community it highlights its goals and objectives based on an analysis of strengths strengths and weaknesses and provides a framework in basis for sound community development in land use decision making overall the city of holland master plan establishes clear direction and expectations for the city and meets the state of michigan's requirements for master planning document established under state law so giving to some of the processes with this as they noted this is been a two years in in the making the planning commission worked very diligently on the master plan we had the use of a consultant out of traverse city the land participation through this planning process and we're very pleased to note that at that kind of the final tally have believed we have over forty five public meetings that have been included in this ranging from planning commission so we're very pleased that we had really kind of a broad spectrum of public participation into the process the the city planning commission did hold the required public hearing for the master plan back in october of last year they made the recommendation that city council approved this six this came to you first in the november we had a study session  lengthy study session in december where staff reviewed the master plan in depth with council i believe this came to back in the first of february and we had a number of of edits in so forth and some changes that council members wanted to see approved in there we also said some at it's from the b p w and some other things and grammatical errors and so forth and those have all been corrected in they are all now incorporated into the final draft plan so i guess it's with the great satisfaction again i like to pass on to the recommendation from the planning commission that you do approve the draft holland master plan you do have a resolution to that effect in your package thank you mark did anyone in the audience come here to address the master plan if so please come to the podium give us your name and address and what you'd like to say about it that's seeing any i think other topics are coming in any comments or questions from counsel brett i serve on the planning commission and mark you're absolutely right i feel like it's been longer than two years that we've been working on this project and i'm very thrilled to see this here and look forward to council proving this it is a is a is a deep it is a detailed document there's a lot of depth to this document it gets into a significant amount of kind of broad sweeps but also details in terms of environment land use social impact things that in some ways go above and beyond what a traditional master plan would but it really informs what future plans on those topics could look like in the priorities that the city has most importantly that what this document does it really strategic land use for the next probably twenty years and i don't think that's something we've adequately done in previous master plans but it's something that that this includes and it's really exciting if you are going to planning nerd effort that's for sure it's great seeing tables of parents and kids and everybody drying and talking about their neighborhoods and what they'd like changed about their streets and parks and it was really an invigorating please help thank your department so now we're moving on to the approval of municipal services agreement and development agreement with general capital acquisition ryan could you begin oh first we need air what i'm scrolling through are quite a few slides that you've seen about this project before and are available to us tonight should we wish to have a presentation in in more detail what i'm going to focus on are some summary variables that have been discussed and debated by members of the community and also the council and the three boards that have considered this actually two boards t leadership team is also debated this and it's now that was significant to to assist in the conversation this discussion tonight by summarizing some of those variables and where this property and redevelopment falls first  switch seats for a second com and click on the agenda and click on these item in the attachments some of these attachments relate to minutes of those boards and commissions there's also a report from the police chief information from our finance department and regular information about due diligence reference checks and those type information about the general capital group and also their management company as you can see that there have been multiple checkpoints here multiple processes followed in multiple steps tonight this is the final step tonight there are two items here the first pertains to the minimal services agreement which is a way of helping the community for the city of holland remain whole given that this second request is for a payment live tax of four percent payment move tax which is a way to reduce the overall taxes to the property for the purpose permitted by state law of encouraging and enabling affordable in this case workforce housing but the first item once again is missile service agreement for twenty thousand five hundred a development agreement prepared by the city attorney and a resolution of support which should be used to with the michigan housing state i'm not getting that right michigan state housing development authority in their allocation of tax all due process has been followed as you can tell by state local law and our boards and procedures and a great deal operates and made to act according to due diligence and due process  determined it should also be noted that is it is more dense than any other property however what do i mean by density i'm talking about the number of units per acre so it's eight percent more dense than the  and eighty units per acre and i think the planning staff for providing that information the planning commission reviewed this in some detail and received reports from the city engineers well as the senior planner and developed a number of site improvements  conditions and that's all part of the development agreement and everything before you the downtown development authority has also reviewed this at three meetings and they also made suggestions recommendations for site improvements recommendations be included as well as the fact that a portion of the d d a or the d d a be made whole through a portion of the missile services agreement twenty thousand five hundred there's a target market analysis and discuss this is a study that was commissioned by the city and paid for by both michigan and the city which looked at how much workforce housing and other types of housing is needed ideally in the city of holland and it is clear that this development helps answer that need however it needs to be said that that target market analysis suggesting that we need eight thousand units over five years might be might need a little bit more work as to whether the real number is given th fifty four unit i don't think we have to worry about it a lot tonight but i do want to make that point united way has done a lot of good work on the asset limited income constrained employed study meaning the out  places to live i do want to make the note that the point that should this be approved and i'm recommending it be approved all the boards and commissions recommended it be approved that it it should be noted for the record that it probably meets the media chair for the city of holland in terms of what you have an immediate need for and that there is greater good that can happen should there be a regional approach that emerges through other bodies in the in the two counties and also if employers are able to increase living wages for its entry jobs that will make a huge difference for will housing workforce housing and also other communities entertain similar projects that would also make a huge difference in relation to what's happening downtown a lot has happened in the last two years so she added with rental housing there is thirteen small affordably priced between five hundred eight hundred dollars per month units of rent of apartments approved for each street the city council has approved a neighborhood enterprise to support that effort they are not under construction but to my knowledge someone tell me it's still in the works still moving forward north central there are fourteen market rate apartment units that have been approved by the planning commission and so far they've not begun there's been no request to the city council for extra support but we believe that that is on  track to do so west street redevelopment is currently under construction new building going up there is one hundred market rate plan apartment units planned for that entire block spanning  quite a few acres brownfield teff tools have been have been realized as well as neighborhood enterprise approved by the city council let's talk about the four percent pilot for a minute this is not all unusual for a tax credit affordable housing type development four percent is very common very often it relates to senior apartments  less so for workforce housing yet where first housing is what the city of holland probably has the greatest need for six percent is also something that's pretty common and ten percent is the maximum and it's sometimes done the length of the payment live tax is also variable variable in this case the case that was the last case was tied to the length of the mortgage thirty years so going into this discussion  several meetings ago i was making the assumption that it was a long term thirty year mortgages as you would think to lower the cost and therefore help it be affordable it's actually more nuanced than that it's a one thousand year balloon  approach and so i suggest that it might be something you consider to tie to the shorter term however it's even more nuanced than that because the cash flow is such that the developer believes it should be a longer term however i make the point that that perhaps it should be a shorter term unless there's an ability to do something which which i think would benefit any development in that seven mix of housing in terms of market rate affordable  workforce and there are a number of variables that are still unknown that might maybe could make that possible as time goes on the tax actual tax credit there's a range of the low end of the range is being estimated at this point if it's the higher engine end of the range that could be beneficial interest rates and the cost of construction or not know yet there's an option on the property and this will service agreement is another variable needs to be pointed out that these do not exist for some projects this is the first one that i've been involved in over the last three decades and that twenty thousand five hundred probably is at the high end of the range that is somewhat unique and attractive in terms of market rate housing comparison and what that would be from a revenue side it's roughly rounded up just a tad bit fifty percent is something we can all talk about is probably about what what the city would be receiving in terms of this development versus a market rate development that's the city portion of the taxes and that's you can make a comparison to the national silly tax exemptions which we talked about earlier which is also fifty percent reduction in taxes for a period of twelve years of course this is a period of suggesting twenty years they've requested thirty years if you look at all of the other taxing units it's something more like there would be eight times more contributed to all of the other taxing units however it should also be pointed out that the schools public schools public schools might have an increased aid to education depending upon if they're  and what school they go to i do want to make the point that having mixed use in some form whether it's market rate apartments plus the affordable apartments or ground floor commercial having some mixture is the gold standard for developments to be successful long term and i'm saying this would not be this is one hundred percent workforce housing but doing so is is another safeguard we looked at the capital group and we find them to be of high quality they have a strong track record that's been produced information is produced through direct and indirect reference checks so there were calls made to references that they had not provided and their projects and those that produce strong results and i can say that this is the best affordable housing team that i've worked with in my time in this career however there is a management company that on a daily basis will be dealing with matters and dealing with who can be allowed to rant there and that's probably even more important in the long term and prestige is who's been suggested will be the company we have found nothing wrong with their activities we found a lot of things right they will have an onsite management office and there are some very stringent vesting requirements that have been voiced publicly and  discussion about crime free and other matters making sure that the people who are living there are up to up to that opportunity i will point out however in one of the twenty seven attachments there is some generic language and what you can see there and that should be for this is off final i think it should be subject to approval as to form by the city attorney which is language that makes sure we have a chance to s those documents with what actually has been voiced here in terms of our boards and commissions reviews and if there can be an on site live in manager that is super ideal of course you heard upstairs that that's not likely and very difficult and but nevertheless that would be phenomenal so the final thoughts are that this should be approved according to the site plan requirements of the planning commission the time development authority the residential selection criteria to be sync with what's been stated in the public record the same with the general rules and regulations expected of the tenants that if he approved a twenty year four percent pilot and why not request market rate should circumstances financial circumstances permit down the road and why not request an onsite living manager i note that those words are requests they're not they're not suggesting that you make that is a  condition of your approval because there are difficulties at this point in making sure that could happen so i'm going to close with reading the recommendation has recommended the city council removed from the table and discussed what you already did possible safeguards to include in this council action that would be covered we already discussed in the p council meeting approval of a development agreement session with the pilot ordinance with general capital acquisitions  and following the discussion an inclusion of possible safeguards from the developing green is recommended city council approved initial services agreement for the provision services they manage twenty thousand five hundred seventy two proposed a form by the city attorney that the mayor and city clerk be some  approved to sign agreements on have the city and that city council adopt a resolution of support for construction of the proposed workforce housing project at two fifty four south river avenue thank you ryan certainly either one of you can answer there was a question asked upstairs and i had asked it at a previous meeting but i think it's very important at this time to differentiate or give an explanation between a section firm that's developing this property there are many different programs that support different types of housing and the two programs that are that are most familiar to people would be the section eight and section forty two which are i r s codes the easiest way to differentiate these programs of is one is a demand side subsidy the other is a supply side subsidy on the demand side the section eight program you've heard were residents may pay a certain portion of their income thirty percent and then basically the the government essentially through a program would pay the rest of the rent up to a certain limit in any geographic area so that that is that is helping residents actually pay their rent on the section forty two one of the spectrum which is what we're proposing here they're typically called affordable housing projects because they actually serve more of the middle segment of the population and we actually use tax credits that we that we end up raising equity through the sales tax credits to offset the cost of the project and the words as a supply side subsidy would buy down the cost of the project and therefore allow our rents to be reduced to affordable levels that's a huge differentiation so on this end of the spectrum all these residents will be required to pay their own rent they'll be employed you know things like that and are some very specific parameters that are required to participate in that program that are very serious in terms of compliance if you fall out of compliance the worst possible nightmare for any developer would be actually having those cat experts recaptured so i appreciate the question so that there's a very different and i think that if i can go into more detail with that kind of describe it one is on the run or side and one is more on the development side thank is thank you say ok any other questions mike are you ok ok so now we're going to be open to public comment and since you signed a sheet i'll just read the list of names as those people who signed up to speak to this issue allan hug stroh's the first name city council my name is alan hoekstra i own a residence at two seventy two west ninth street in holland i am fully supportive of providing low income housing in our community and i want to make sure that it's done well and when i say done well i mean with regards to the location the structure and when i say structure i mean the tenant mix and i mean for also for the residents of the development in the hall and community the approvals being proposed this evening will have a significant impact on downtown holland for many years sounds like twenty to thirty years so we want to make sure it is fully vetted by the city authorities why are citizens and by city partners so that we end up with the right project for the city of holland for the residents of the building and for the developers so more specifically my comments are with regards to tax equity the viability of the project is really dependent upon significant tax incentives from the city hall and we did hear a little more information from the city manager on the amount or at least a calculation or representation of the tax breaks but they still don't seem to be really clearly defined to me what is the dollar amount of the tax break that this development will receive it may seem less when we sit in a room like this because the city is not writing a check but what we're doing is we're foregoing a large potential cash flow stream down the road so effectively the redevelopment of this property will really not provide any added benefit to the entities that rely on property tax revenue for funding we already have a significantly reduced tax base in our city due to the large number of non profits in the city and other agencies need tax revenue to continue to provide services we need to think very clearly about how we generate sustainable tax revenue to support all of the valuable agencies that depend upon it i think we can all agree that low income housing needs support or would not work that's evident but what is the price tag a clear understanding of the price is critically important to a large extent we're taking this property off the tax rolls for a significant period of time another question would be around other sites are there other sites in the area or other properties that could or should be considered because they may be more conducive to achieving the goals of workforce housing this property occupies every square inch of the property there are no green or any outdoor other outdoor spaces  it will have a negative impact on parking we do have a parking challenge in the core city of holland already and this will negatively impact that this ok sion while it is walkable downtown it is not to other core resources that this community may need such as grocery stores or pharmacies and frankly it's not really close to our major employment base from a process standpoint again we did  comments from the city manager i would just like to say as a as a property owner it came to my attention about a month ago at a study session or information on a study session feb eighth it was in front of the council on feb fifteenth and again march one and already on march won the vote was intended then to to finalize a lot of these decisions before the planning commission in the b d a were even complete so in summary i think that the project has had a pretty low profile before the overall community i've even heard people from the immediate neighborhood indicate that they have either had late notice or no notice of the project and thus have not had a chance to w so my request is that you postpone the consideration of the pilot until the fall mischka has october meetings they don't simply meet one time a year and i ask for that so that the project can be properly vetted in all of those with valid concerns or comments can have an opportunity to be heard in some ways it appears that the mish the application deadline seems to be driving the timing of the process and i don't think that should drive our decisions we need to make the best long term decision for all stakeholders this is a decision that we will live with for a long time in the city of holland on one of our most visible corners if it is the right project it will happen in mr will approve it we have a great city and did not happen by accident there's been much collaboration between the public and private sector over time as well as significant investment by the private sector over the years i'm encouraging it as you to step back and take a more measured approach and make sure we understand all aspects of this project before moving forward thank you thank you next is b hello council there my name is ben hackman i live it eighty west eleventh street i guess i'm one of the few people that will actually be able to see this opportunity from my front door so i guess i'm going to start off just an introduction by myself i'm a father of four kids my kids are from a year and a half to seven years old i don't have time to be here i would love to be where you are serving the city i love this town i grew up here  my wife's a tool time costume director i'm in bed in the thick of this place where they're like it or not so i love this town and i love the masterplan that you guys just approved it's wonderful  read through it and it's great and then i see what's going on on my street and simply put within the past year the past five years since i've been in that house ally and those so ok so on thinking ok so the city hates eleventh street i get it and then i see something like this and basically the city is entertaining somebody from out of town which incidentally speaks directly against the goals here where we stalk about supporting local work so suddenly it's a yes true that residents in let's go for somebody from out of state and then i look at some of the other stuff and i'm like ok i'm on the i get that i live on the edge between the urban core and the urban set portion of the city high density housing is part of the thing i get that and doing it right is important the fact is parking soon to be a disaster traffic eleven street is already a disaster whenever there's are in the park and so honestly this feels like just another kick in the face where the city doesn't give a shit about eleventh street excuse my language but this is pathetic so to be frank with you my wife was here last night to talk to the the zoning folks she was a bit distraught as a masters in social work she did a fair amount of research because i asked her point blank i'm like is this good or bad she did the research that i sent to all of you by e mail other cities elsewhere in the country realize that oh the one thousand century new york city tenements were a bad idea in other places it may have been section eight housing instead of section forty two but at the end of the day it was low income folks stacked on top of each other people that needed a community people that needed help people that needed somebody to reach out and help them when they were down stacked on top of each other such that they couldn't get help so most of those other big cities they looked at programs and they said you know what we need low income housing and i absolutely agree with that i have a rental unit on twenty second street i rent it to a single mom she doesn't always make the rent it frustrates me to no end but i know i'm helping somebody that can't afford it and it's the right thing to do now if the city wants to solve the problem cut me some slack as a landlord instead of having shoot two months of abuse from the inspector when i tried to get a refund renewal this past year if you want to solve it solve it but this isn't the solution this is a tragic misappropriation and there's a handful of details that i think they just missed the boat on the design technically speaking i don't see a good solution for snow removal honestly i don't get the kind of snow on the walkie that we get here i haven't seen a good solution for parking and the lack of green space is tragic especially if we want to build any sort of neighborhood or community around it so in general i hope that you are vote against this vote your conscience and but with the people of the city hall and instead of voting for somebody for more thank you one thing i forgot to mention is there's a five minute limit so yeah that's what that meant sorry i didn't tell you but you have five minutes and so it's green keep going and when it turns yellow that means there's one minute left and red means five this up so thank you next is nancy good evening my name is nancy haynes i'm the director of the fair housing center of west michigan and while i'm not a resident of holland we have had the benefit of a contract with the city of holland to provide your fair housing services for years and a great partnership we have an advisory board here we actually meet up on your second floor training in your second floor training room and i just wanted to speak on behalf of housing choice and what an incredible opportunity we believe this is  think housing choice is the key to sustainable and thriving communities and choice means housing for all types of people and all types of housing options so it's that the both levels of choice housing choices about having options from cradle to grave of housing so you can be born on one block you can settle down after college in a certain you know further down the block or on the next block you can buy a house with your spouse and start a family you know another block down or maybe on the same street you can downsize when your kids go to college and still say in that same neighborhood that that same community and then you can settle into some senior housing and your children when they graduate from college can move back and find an affordable option in that same area and and that's what makes a thriving sustainable community housing choice also means all the neighborhood in the community meets all socioeconomic levels because you you know the best most sustainable communities have employees that live close to employers and when we have that interchange we actually care we understand each other's needs we care for each other as people and as employees and fellow residents so we think this opportunity is so unique with this location because it meets so many of those needs it's not just citing housing some of the people that spoke before me talked about the old fashioned tenements and section eight project base housing and they're right that a lot of those the big cities learned that having like cabrini green in chicago that doesn't make sense but what you what what the low income tax credit program section forty two housing is supposed to do it's supposed to have affordable workforce housing near opportunity so you're not buying  on housing where you can buy the housing a lot for the cheapest or build at the lowest cost but where the people that move into that community will have access to opportunities world class schools incredible parks a vibrant thriving downtown that i library except the library of congress in washington d c i love your library just a real sense of community and that's what the section forty two program is all about making it so that you don't just have to cite those opportunities where  you know in neighborhoods that we call dead end zones but where the people who have into those can then get some stability start to move up the ladder and then eventually move out in print perhaps buy a house in the same neighborhood the one thing as your fair how it was a partner in fair housing with the city of holland i just want to caution against is the nimbyism the you know yes we're for affordable housing but just not in my backyard  make sure that when we evaluate a development we look at it as we compare it with other developments we hold it to the same standards that we hold it hold other developments to not based on the type of people that would live there and i think it's just just a caution and then i also just want to say that this opportunity doesn't come up all the time i know that i work with the city of wyoming we work with traverse city and they are they to hope for these act low income tax credit opportunities but they can't score high enough the only proper areas that are scoring high enough the development proposals that are going high enough are in urban core centers like grand rapids and detroit and i think that this is this project is the envy of those good evening live at forty eight east eighteenth street i am i work at community action house and i get to oversee the food pantry that we have there in our case management services i also have an opportunity to be a case manager for the partnership we have with good samaritan ministries where people who are struggling to find housing were able to connect them with a place to stay and then get to work on some of those barriers to housing i was really excited when i heard about this project we get so many calls every single day from people who are looking for housing and i feel like we you know can sometimes be you know if you just call an agency they'll help  you and while we would love to do that we run out of resources and it's a real real struggle to find and if opportunities to point people to i'm glad that i heard a livable wage you mentioned earlier this is systemic issue that i see that it's wonderful when there are a lot of jobs available but if we're not having a livable wage available then that equation just doesn't work out so one of th things too that's evident for you know if people are able to get some stable housing finding jobs would be you know much easier as well and so i guess i just i  ask and encourage you to support what holland is saying that that we want to support you know people who are working hard at low income jobs to you know help you know better the situations and if we're really saying that i think this would be just a huge way to show our support in that so yes i just encourage you to vote for it thank you very much thank you jane johnson my name is my name is jane johnson i live at four for two lakeshore drive and i have two rental houses on thirteenth street first i want to thank for the the planning commission for vetting this proposed project so carefully and thoroughly your inspection inspection trip to milwaukee to view other jobs done by this builder was above and beyond normal expectations i'm very impressed all vaal this matter to provide workforce housing to those who support our community may seem like a change for holland it is not in the eight hundred eighty s my great grandfather tunas keppel after learning that the men who worked in his colon lumber business had no adequate housing built the six identical red brick houses on central and beyond central and on thirteenth and fourteenth street he had the foresight to see that such housing could contribute to holland's economy and prosperity those homes how's the families who enhanced howland's growth and vitality for many years and are still in use today is rentals for hope college students my roots go deep into this community and i love it i'm sure that you do too or you wouldn't be up here is serving on the council please approve this project to help holland to continue to grow and thrive our city needs it thank you dan colleen  my name is dan calling and i own a building to forty six south river next door to the proposed project this is the third time i've been in front of the mike in thirty hours and also the third time in thirty years so i'm kind of new at this but i'm an accountant a c p a and one thing i wanted to go over are some numbers mr hoekstra asked what the tax break was or how much you were giving away in tax revenue and i don't know that for sure i just in my head at a few numbers and i thought this might be beneficial for the council members to get an understanding or at least kind a see how i'm looking at this i'm looking at a seventy eight thousand square foot building construction cost of two fifty a foot and people can change the numbers i talked to ryan about this today and the city assessor corrected me on some things but anyway i came up with  dollar building and my simple way of thinking how taxes work is you take half the value of the building and about five or six percent of that and that's what your taxes are so half  nineteen million is nine and a half five and a half or six percent a nine and a half is about a half a million dollars so if general capital built the building without any tax credits if they just built a rental building the city would get a half million dollars a year instead you're voting on taking in forty thousand four hundred sixty thousand less for the next thirty years doing some math in my head everyone's probably with me that's about a fourteen million dollars tax break now when i had mentioned this to ryan he pointed out that jim the assessor's said well we have that building at only eight million and i said ok so you're not giving him fourteen million you're giving him nine million and i mean that's kind of an extreme example because if this project doesn't go through someone's not going to come through most likely and put a twenty million dollar building on that property i mean that's not realistic but someone could come through and decide to improve that and make it into a three million dollars building that's very realistic running through the math again a three million dollar building has a value of a million and a half at five or six  percent ninety thousand dollars a year in taxes so you're really maybe only given up fifty thousand a year in taxes for thirty years so you're giving him a million and a half dollar tax break i guess the thing to think about is by approving this and going with the four percent pilot and going with the twenty thousand dollars municipal service agreement you are losing some potential future revenue and i'm not sure how much thinking has been done or work has been done on this i have i went to the planning meeting for the pre council meeting earlier and listen to everyone kind of talk freely freely about what they knew about the project and that kind of brings me to my second point my first point being get an idea how much you're giving up my second point is really kind of get this thing figured out i heard some talk about the d d a and parking passes and this has to be approved but i don't really know if we have a lot of extra parking in downtown holland but still the d d a is going to sell spots to the developers so they have some additional parking you know maybe that's a good idea maybe that's not a problem another thing that came up during the pre council meeting was eight thousand units over five years and i'm hurt there like thirty or thirty five thousand people in the city how and it's kind of always been that number it's kind of fully populated i don't know where they're coming up with we need eight thousand more housing units when it's been thirty five thousand people for twenty or thirty years in council kind of agreed that well this is kind of someone usual information maybe it's half as much or a quarter  or maybe it's not any or maybe it's fifty four but if you knew about him there it's so thank you dan i just want to say one more thing if you postpone it i'll help you figure some of the stuff out i volunteer my time to work with council to work on some of these it's a beautiful name madam mare council members i am a resident at one seventy four west eighteenth street and i want to speak in favor of this project today  i'm an appraiser so i know the the market in the city fairly well especially the housing market and just a quick example of how the demand has  increased when i started appraising in around the end of two thousand and fourteen or so and started looking at the listings all the time there usually be about two hundred list scenes every day for our houses now and i check it it's usually more like forty or fifty the quality projects quality homes are going very quickly days or weeks so how dizzying quality housing especially is is sorely needed even if it's greatly need housing has been mentioned before and different regards i'm also a church member at hope church which is a neighbor to the property and just speaking about the experience of the  current building there they do great business but they aren't always the best as neighbors they cut across the property often on four wheelers and different stuff like that and we're looking at piles  skids there frequently there's a dumpster there that's all all legal and such but it's just not the prettiest site so a brand new building in high quality building as it appears to be i think would be a much better much better view  if it's managed well much better neighbor in the long run and speaking as a former downtown resident when we first moved here several years ago we lived above the windmill on a street and had one car and there's no parking space no garage or anything for that we had a parking permit which is what downtown residents do buy from the d d a and have to walk a block or two blocks our car every time we got groceries which is a pain but that's what you do to live in a vibrant downtown they have all the amenities that holland does and i assume residents that would live here would be willing to make the same sacrifice and if the d d is on his homework and knows that there are spaces available and maybe in the outskirts of the town they may have to walk a little bit further but i believe there is the capacity there  and i hope that people get prioritized over parking in this debate and i want to say that over the concern about green space for the residents there there is a park directly adjacent across the street so they can play easily there with children or just general recreation for snow removal it would be minimal a almost the entire lot is covered by the building so there wouldn't be too much of that so in summary the time is now not a half year from now by then this opportunity could be gone  and it may never come back you may be stuck with the underperforming retail building there rather than a new high quality project that could springboard further development down down river avenue where there are many properties that have the potential to be redeveloped in this fashion so think of this as an investment where you're giving up some tax revenue now for more revenue with with more projects in the future and that's that's the way i look at it and additionally as an appraiser i'd i know this property has been on the market for around a year at least and there's been offers i think but nothing that has come through i think this is the first really substantial still substantial offer so i hope you take that into consideration thank you joe vickie lynn homes want to just the white elephant in the room the proposed project is to bring affordable workforce housing to working people think responsible people not talking ghetto people i don't want to live next to a ghetto person either we're not talking irresponsible college party hardy frat boys we're talking about responsible people so webster's dictionary accountable answerable trustworthy s mature reliable and dependable not people who will tear up the plays not pay the rent or otherwise bring holland down so as sig's said yesterday last night and we don't have to trust his word which is anecdotal evidence we have empirical verifiable evidence via the more walking project and everything that the city manager told us earlier that they've been vetted and the when they say that they're going to manage and think about the people who are living there we can trust that they've stood the test the second thing that i want to issue i want to bring up is the inadequate communal space for the residents to hang out ok again we're talking about responsible adults and like most of us who work come home and then very much we aren't children in the of someone to provide us with communal space and neither a again i think responsible people who are holding down a job and know how to govern themselves responsibility the third issue i'd like to address is the parking issue so yes fifty four parking spaces seem limited in long view and yes management is more than providing the level number of spaces but we can look at this and think differently and think about the parking as an economic opportunity it can promote commerce is people have to live part further away and walked through the downtown than purchase things and eat so it doesn't have to always be a negative issue so in closing both as a christian i think it's our responsibility but as a civic responsibility to provide affordable housing is not just a law it's our privilege to assist and the city's application to further fair housing in holland thank you consul we regret not being able to attend this meeting in person but have worship leadership responsibilities during this time as the pastors of hope church are ca one of the nearest neighbors to this proposed project we would like to go on record in offering our enthusiastic support for this project we have been tracking the house next initiative through the united way and are aware of the critical need for more affordable house seen in our county and within our city our communication with the developer has affirmed for us the value of this project both in terms of the affordable housing that will provide and in terms of proactively addressing the understandable concerns that a new housing develop might generate in the neighborhood this location is an ideal place for a new house seem project because of its proximity to downtown the access to public transportation and its connection to a vibrant and healthy neighborhood we believe that neighborhoods thrive when there is a good mix of value the importance of being a good neighbor in this community and supporting projects that improve the quality of life for any new potential neighbors and serially pastors joel russell and gordon where the address on that is seventy seven west eleventh street thank you for delivering their message linda gray w a yesterday and the planning commission and i have a renewed understanding the work that you all are faced with every day and i appreciate that i've every day i live at three zero nine washington boulevard alone has forty three percent of their population lives underneath that alice threshold those are the folks who are really struggling to find affordable housing and when i look at a project like this which is clearly being developed by  professional and reputable organization this will have a significant impact on the families that and the people who live there long term and i think that one of the other presenter s very well looking at people over over over profit maybe what you need to do at this moment in time so i would just i'm i don't really need to say anything more of more than that but i appreciate you looking at the project and i encourage you to vote yes thank you and katie  is president of the board of directors for the head start for a county and also as a hope church elder and i guess you might think that because i'm a retired social worker and for that reason because i'm president for the board for head start i would be in favor of this project but i'm not and i'll tell you why i work for the state of michigan as a social worker for thirty six years in eighteen of those years were spent in elegant county as a children's predictive service worker and foster care worker and i spent more time than i can remember at meadow lanes and at harbor village which is course an elegant county but is low income housing i know that there has been a lot of effort to say that this is workforce housing i hadn't heard that phrase before and i know that you're trying to get a certain type of person to apply for those apartments but my own experience is that if you've got affordable housing it really should be open to anyone that applies and is eligible whether they're a young professional with not much money or a mom with a couple kids that has struggling and needs to have an apartment we've talked about section eight section eight is also says that the families have to be employed that doesn't differentiate so i guess if you're going to do this recognize that this should be for everyone who qualifies as far as being a low income person but my feeling is that people who are so low income do not deserve to be lumped together which is what's happened over and over again in one building it's not good for them it's not good for their children they need to be dispersed throughout the community i wish that that i don't know if any of you have lived in low income housing or visited people that live there but it's very difficult when everyone is struggling i would hope that you would think very carefully about the long term effects of this and what it means for the school system to take in children who are low income and are going to be testing lower than other children it's not anything against kids we we have that that you know that indicates that they do their own headstart kids even though that we poor what we can into them test lower when they get into the public school system for next year head start is going to only be able to take about half the normal number of kids that they normally would because we're moving to a full day program for three and four year olds so for the kids that would be living in this building their ability to get in the head start is going to be limited i would hope that you think about the neighbors that we have in this area and whether or not they're going to be able to stay with this huge building and the traffic and i would like like you to really think about this good evening madam mayor and members of city council my name is linda jake ups i live at one twenty six east thirty fourth street in the city and i am a member of the city of holland's neighborhood improvement committee and i've been on that for a number of years and one of the issues that that committee has been looking at is as a looks at all of those issues around neighborhoods is affordable housing and it is a need that has been well documented over and over again i don't think i need to to spend much time on that but i would like to point out that in our committee we did look at some data around just in the city of holland we actually had a net loss of rentals in the city of holland last year in two thousand and sixteen at all price levels so when i look at we're talking about adding fifty some units of rentals to me that's almost just really bringing us right back to where we were so when we look at the numbers in terms of needing eight thousand i think we also have to look at how many rentals we've lost in the city so i would encourage  look at this in the context of economic development we've heard a lot of different perspectives here around the tax implications of awarding the pilot we also just heard about a tax abatement for l g chem and somehow that doesn't get the same response we we understand why we want to give tax incentives to businesses i would suggest that this is also there is a public benefit that your you are getting as a result of giving this tax pilot because if you look at it from an economic perspective we're calling it workforce housing for a very good reason businesses need access to labor to grow if you ask any of the businesses in the area they will tell you their number one problem is lack of talent and so if we want to see our businesses grow and thrive they need to have access to labor and labor needs access to decent affordable housing so i'm asking you to confidently vote yes on  tonight because it is necessary for a number of reasons but if we want our community to thrive economically as well i encourage you to do the right thing and vote yes for all of the citizens of our great tom thank you for your time thank you linda kelly facade hello city council members i hate following linda thank you for staying here so late to hear us i live at one ninety one west eleventh street so right down the street from where the developments going to be taking place and i'm here to ask you to vote in support of the development when we moved here seven years ago from chicago we had a friend visit and they drove someone drove by in their bike while we were sitting on the porch and they waved and said to us oh hi persona is in the room and they looked at us like is this maybe here and i was like actually it's not you should see the people at our church trying to help find a house there's nowhere there's nowhere for them to live it's not mayberry here and i think it's things like this housing development that are going to it make to think that our town is finally looking at the need and turning our town into mayberry and it makes me very excited something that i don't want to repeat all the things that have already been said but the idea of this development turning into like a green or something really bothers me because this is far from that sort of development this little this little thing is not going to be a tenement that's going to become that sort of situation i just something that hasn't been said is this alice threshold this living wage poor that we're targeting for a family of four is fifty three thousand dollars which i just want to say that because that is that is not the working poor is it's a substantial amount of money so to to live in holland and to be at the working poor range for a family of four it's fifty three thousand dollars and so that is something that we haven't talked about yet today anyways and so i want you to know that there have been a lot of changes on our street and i sympathize that the mayberry is i think affordable housing isn't just a buzz word although it's on the front page of the grand rapids paper if you get that on sunday and mayor list was talking about it and shall continue to talk about it because it's an issue that's not going away and we can recognize that there are really no simple answers or simple solutions and i think we can also recognize that the solution that we have here today isn't simple and it's not going to come without its challenges and its complications and i think that we can recognize that but we can also say we still need a solution to this problem and i appreciate what sounds like a great deal of time  and investment you've made to make sure that this is the best solution that we have at hand i'm excited to know that you guys are working on this stuff and that these collaborative efforts are in place i think that we do that really well in this city and in this county and so i think this is another example of that so i ask you to vote yes i think if you live and work in this community you know that this population isn't isn't coming here because we have a development like this there are ready here they're already working here there are ready in jobs that they're having trouble sustaining because they can't find affordable housing in this isn't just this isn't just people who are in poverty they're these are people that we're all doing life with that are saying i can't afford to find affordable housing these are people that are working for nonprofits that are saying i can't find affordable housing i'm in competition that finishes our list of people who signed up to comment so we are done with they have public comment and now if we could have a motion that american motion yes thank you i will do that i will say this before i make a motion and i appreciate every coming tonight by my count about just over eleven hundred pages in the twenty seven attachments the manager referenced and so i will for warn you this is where this group is diligent as we are can occasionally get into what we call sausage making and so it gets a little difficult and dicey to make sure that we get the  wording done properly and that we get the proper support from one another so here i go on item seven c i would make a motion that we approve them in a school services agreement for the provision for seventy seven b sorry we have two items  you can't tell i want to get out here approve a municipal services agreement for the provision of services in the amount of twenty thousand five hundred dollars subject to the approval as to form from the city attorney from form with the city attorney with the mayor and deputy city clerk he submitted to sign the agreements on behalf of the city and that the city council adopt a resolution of support for the construction of a proposed workforce housing project two fifty four so did you mention the development agreement as well as the municipal services agreement in your motion or did you want to move for just the one that this point i thought i did but if i did not please include it ok is inconsistent with this is that ok yes so i have some procedural questions so right now to your point your motion todd we're voting on seven b or so that's what's on the table now is that is that will service agreement contingent on the approval of seven c and contingent on the seven c being receiving the actual mission of funding in terms of so if we approve the municipal service agreement but  reason of seven c didn't pass or if the funding didn't come from mission following a favorable ruling on seven c would the municipal service agreement still be in place the  documents that are part of one package the ordinance development agreement even a supposed services agreement they all have to go into effect together outcome of the following the money agenda and the other ruling that's completely out of this group's hands just give me a second here and looking back at the proposed ordinance point one dash sixty five starts out subject to receipt of the federal aid mortgage the housing development would be designated as exempt tax exempt it just for clarification i know there w mike well at this point then i would make a motion for amendment to include on the final thoughts the as shown on the screen and hopefully back on the screen or for the audience the final thoughts had seven pieces to it the first of five or i'm sorry the first four i would like to make as an amendment to your motion at this point if i may so it's my understanding that those were more pertinent to seven see in the pilot separately but but as to the items on the motion to a mandate they're appropriate for the development agreement which is the subject if your your motion say that you get the items from under the motion to amend would be appropriate for the development agreement which was part of your motion so my only the only reason i question that is because the three items that were listed for additional consideration for council in seventeen with a possible density reduction the requirement of building manager living on site  review of the report in the public safety which i think we all receive by email subsequently then seven see the full list of seven appears as a recommend as recommended lest the motion to amend deals with items one through four on the final thoughts page that you have before you if i heard it right which i believe are identical to those those items are appropriate for the development agreement that would be a contract between the developer and the city for the developer to build ok good discussion on that motion to amend and then a vote and then you're back to the original discussion on the motion to amend yes mike nancy from mine and i probably should read this but i will read the four that were on the table just for clarification number one is as site as precise plan requirements of planning commission number two as per downtown development authority expectations number three residential selection criteria sync with statements and number four general rules and regulations those of the four that it very succinctly part of my amended motion any further discussion on that we have an amended motion right now again i have a procedural question this emotional that we have on the table now is is purely related to the approval of the mint municipal service agreement and development agreement  not the pilot that's correct but it also includes resolution and support the pilot ordinance would be a separate item that's next thank you and the other discussion on this if ever there are other i tie where it felt like we should take other they are solemn and this is one of those times we could just whack this it happened everybody get something to be happy with that would be wonderful  is one of the few issues that i really felt conflicted on i think after our last discussion on this my position was i thought it was a fairly good project but i was positioned to be talked out of it if there were a compelling argument and i guess before i explain where i'm landing on this there's a couple of points i'd like to acknowledge first of all we do need this type of housing in this community i think everybody knows that we've talked about it it's been in the paper we don't exactly know how to go about it or we probably would have done it already but there is a need for this and there's no doubt about that there are a number of market rate projects that are going up but obviously there's a need for housing that costs less and not  policy that we typically think of as low income housing but quite simply affordable housing there is an opportunity before us right now to achieve that in some folks minds it's not the it's not the best project of the system used to may not be the best system in some folks estimation of how we arrived at this it may feel now admit to feels a bit to me as though we've arrived at this rather quickly usually we have a large array of discussing things that nauseum before we reach a point of decision and if you look at the time lie that the project folks put forward it you know looks is awesome there's been due diligence but it doesn't feel that  way i have no qualms about the of the management of this project there's been discussion and there's been efforts made and in vetting the management company the  project folks themselves but it's in no one's best interests for this to fail certainly not you guys who are trying to make this project go to pass it doesn't help the city it doesn't help the residents of the so in my mind the issue of whether or not this is going to be an ok project where the people there are going to be ok that's  the folks who are targeted to be part of this this project or realty of this building you know we're not talking about folks who are terrorists or participate in the fabric of what's going on here although i haven't heard in any overt terms there's a danger that i think we have to be aware of it and i don't make any accusations or anything like that but it can be part of our our fabric to say well yeah we have affordable housing but let's not put here as i think about that as i've heard some of the things mentioned and some of the discussion and narrative over this i think that i tend to hear the beginnings of that not in my backyard kind of attitude and if we want to live into one of the values that we purport to have it has given us actually part of that master plan which is diversity and we have to make that more than just so much rhetoric we have to live into that and part of that is inclusion of housing for folks who in some folks mind might be different or might not quite qualify to live at the bottom we were having so i just want to well be accusatory and don't send me emails i just want to put that out there is a reality that we need to think about so quite frankly i was merely talked out of this because of one of the things in the master plan  to i'm sorry i'm going on but i don't talk very often so i'm using my capital right here in the master plan or the section that says what do we want to be page forty nine talks about thriving community  states a thriving holland has carefully chosen high quality standards for future development a connected in vibrant downtown and vital neighborhoods the words carefully chosen and high quality standards sort of jumped out at me because that's typically what we do in this town with when we do projects we do them well we think that through all and it tends to be a high quality and serves the better purposes of this community and i thought well maybe we haven't given this quite the due diligence it requires i gotta feeling a little maybe that's why i'm self employed these days but going back to the fact that the opportunity is in front of us we have an opportunity to achieve attentional eat something here that may not be the best product it may not for living here but if you think about it i read anything about urban living the ideal is to have that integration of socio economic realities effect each other they feed each other they inform each other and that would be much better situation in this project in this project would you great to have first level commercial or live work spaces that would be ideal but the developers are telling us that that's not practical in this case so i guess the long short of it is i'm finding myself saying well here's an opportunity to gain something something that has i think a value that would be good for a good segment of this community it's not perfect and ideal if i had my druthers it's not what i would want to put forth but  sometimes one way of doing it spend another way not doing it so i think i'm fighting myself in support of this project though not ideal though i'd rather see something a little bit different i think this is a good step in the right direction jane i agree with everything that's been said here i flipped on this project three or four times including twice today i would love to see mixed income in that building because everything i read about successful projects suggests it should have mixed income i would like to see less units because living just down the street driving there all the time seeing what parking was like at city hall listening to the church knowing that's not an option listening to the developer i think and saying i don't think it's going to be a problem i would push back and say it's it's going to be a problem i've listened to our staff say well we can make the parking work we can give kermit's people are willing to be there we can park three blocks away but they got to move their car every three days and they got to be out by nine that just sounds like a mess to me but i certainly would want to do it but i wouldn't preclude other people from doing it i think alan and dan makes a pretty good point this town didn't just happen i think in the last twenty five years we've done we've been much more proactive about the kind of development we've had and i think now just in the last six months we've been approached by others from outside our community that want to come here and do cool things and i don't know that we're prepared for that is as we should be i don't like the process that with this one through i think for whatever reason  i think it's being driven by the developers desire to get in for some tax credits i don't like that i think most of the design most of the design and all the things this building  is because it fits the developers need from to make the numbers work on that particular spot and i want that either i'd rather think that we know what we need we need affordable housing i'd like to think we've got three or four units of government at the table right now talking about what our options are how we can be proactive at a track and addressing this instead of rapidly pushing on a project that first time i saw it was two months ago and here's the building and there's very little room for any improvement or discussion on what it should be not the developers problem i think that's our process so i don't you know i honestly think i came in here tonight to say i don't think we're prepared about this i'd really like to see the developers wait six months and if they get somebody said something if it's a good product it'll happen i really came in here with that framework of my in my mind that's really where i was thinking  but i know almost everybody in the room who spoke to this i know where everybody i guess i'm convinced by the people that spoke tonight that in this community we will make this thing work i think it's ultimately going to be difficult on our staff only from parking i think is going to be our biggest issue i have no problem with the developers reputation and saying they're going to build something in the ten years from now it'll still be a building that won't be a problem i have i don't have i don't worry about that the size of the building i think it's i know that the drawings look good but i think it's going to be a pretty massive structure on river avenue there with very little break between the corner in the park theater but i think i think that  for all the things that were said my mind's been changed i think this is something we need to do but we will hold the developers accountable we will hold the people who manage that property accountable to make sure that that building is indeed a true asset for downtown the people that you want to we want to make sure you have residences in our community so i really like to thank everybody that came here tonight and spoke because i agreed with every aspect of what everybody said at some junction in your talk so it's this is not been an easy process and i hope we don't have this again i would start when we have a really cool project where it's gets affordable housing and it's great for downtown this should be a slam dunk we know exactly what we're getting and everybody feels good about it and it's a it's a real celebration and i hope the next time we have a discussion on this kind of development in our downtown it feels a little more like that than kind of a back door in th and i say that only because for a number of years i am a frequent dog walker i have a beagle and i have a tendency to walk up and down river avenue and imagine what our city would be in particular how do we use all of the parking lots for better use and how can they be used for potential housing scalable housing projects in particular very large condo projects  a liable property is one of those spaces where i've walked past and said man something really cool could go here was an affordable housing project something that i had thought of  o is keeping a low tax revenue retail and parking lots on that property something we should continue to maintain no way and that gets to the crux of this matter is it wasn't my idea to put this  was a private companies idea to put this here furthermore it was a private companies idea to sell this property to the individuals who want to develop this land the only reason we're actually talking about this is that because of the pilot in question this is what it comes down to on the other hand if this were a traditional apartment complex we would be talking about this in terms of a different type of tax abatements  be its renaissance zone or brownfield or neighborhood and then neighborhood of enterprise zone thank you much of the opposition the park apartments seems to stem from being an affordable housing project i completely understand that our frequent charge leveled against public housing programs that they have concentrated into poverty particularly inner city neighborhoods  i read a lot of information to talk to a lot of people about this i actually read all this stuff and that you provide in your e mail and i'm going to quote from one of the pieces that you gave to us from  freedman low income housing developments may not only eliminate vacant or abandoned lots and provide decent housing to disadvantaged populations but they might also help to attract new business and jobs as well as increased neighborhood policing and surveillance to the extent that low income housing developments can remedy some of the immediate social or economic ills of an area and generate positive spillovers the may serve as a springboard to reducing poverty in the future when well planned and targeted subsidized housing programs help to revitalize communities and generate positive extra nowadays they help turn even declining neighborhoods around to date i have listened to many i have not received much in the way of evidence based objection to this project for from my neighbors and i've heard from many people who are my friends have presented strong objections but unfortunately i can't credit that is much more than speculation at the moment they include issues related to parking people crime public space and even in removal will more people bring more of these things maybe not absolutely we live in urban environment more people is what we do on the concern of the property taxes and this is something that have thought through deeply while there are lots of examples of the tax breaks and they are interesting math and other realistic considerations of this building were being constructed for marker in apartments we'd be baby applying for a twelve maybe even fifteen year brownfield in neighborhood enterprise zones they would offer zero taxes to the city unfortunately not five not half a million not ninety thousand zero for the eight twelve or fifteen years under the current policy we're see approximately thirteen thousand in texas or pilot plus an additional twenty thousand approximately in municipal capital agreement which would cover downtown priorities including snow melt as well as other things so while i don't know the future i don't prefer to speculate on these things i do know the facts the facts remain that there are eight thousand one hundred ninety one there's eighty eight thousand one hundred ninety one unit housing gap in our county for the working class our city requires housing diversity if you've been to these before you've heard me kind of talk about housing diversity and what that means it's single family homes it's high in condos it's rental units it's tiny homes for whatever reason i'll never understand the action steps that we approved tonight in the planning commission and other groups in the neighborhoods and in our community uproot that we want to identify desired housing types and densities for different neighborhood areas ensure that the zoning ordinance supports the development this is true in this case want to promote higher density development as well designed an amenity rich along with a mix of housing unit types and redevelopment infill development projects adjacent to and in downtown and on major thoroughfares this holds true work to promote the design and construction of affordable housing that changes perception of its quality and makes a desirable element of the community by we've done a ton of research mark and our mayor went to milwaukee to vet and validate the people building this and the people will be managing this that was a concern of mine because we've seen in some of the the areas that those that don't build community have a tendency to fall into disrepair what i've seen is not disrepair and i i'm looking at this with a bit with a bit of optimistic reservation but confidence that what will be here in twenty years is what will be here on the day it opens we want to promote housing diversity to accommodate different households sizes income levels housing types and density and finally one encourage owner occupied housing but occupan y in that case occupancy by ownership by transients destress spec full or not investing individuals is discouraged i think the people who will be living here is it mentioned several  are are working folk who are people in my neighborhood they're people that i live next to down on twentieth street they respect where they live they are part of our community they're part of our neighborhood  d i have not seen a strong objection to the people who live on my street or the streets adjacent to it that said i've also kind of repeated this before we're not this city is not solely responsible for solving  the issue of horrible housing in holland this is a regional issue and it will continue to be a regional issue but at this time it is up to the city to provide a level of leadership in this region i look forward to voting for this this whole conversation that i think is important now that sometimes we get lost is that the shortage of affordable housing in the area is the result of a lot of really good that the city's done maintaining the housing stock here and the desire to want to live in holland michigan so to say that's a bad thing i don't think is good there's plenty of cities that have a glut of affordable housing that's in terrible conditions because people don't want to live there so i just want to make that comment to say the people that sat behind this diocese and other business leaders and people that have invested in the community before i was here or born have have created a good problem for a community to have to say hey people want to live here and we've got to find a way to include more people from different socioeconomic levels so i just wanted that comment on the record the other thing that i've struggled with a little bit and i number of people have talked about this is some of the buzz words around affordable housing or workforce housing and so i'm a numbers guy and i asked for some of the breakdowns and hey how much would somebody be making i can i can talk in numbers and there are some there are a lot of challenges when you get into some of the nuance one being that we had a minimum wage increase in the state of michigan recently and when you just do the math of looking at the breakdown some of the stuff is to people who are working full time making minimum wage with no kids they wouldn't qualify because they'd be making too much money that's not a reason to say no to the project but it's just there's some when you start looking at some of the stuff to dave's point to jay's point this isn't a perfect solution and i don't think anybody saying it is but there are definitely some challenges with this but in terms of what we're voting on right now one seven being i have no problem saying that we'll take your money if we approve the rest of was being talked about as being implemented as an emergency thing we saw considering that no no the first off the emergency aspect would be as to the adoption the ordinance and and we've been told by the developer that that the finding that we thought was a requirement is no longer there so the need that there was i thought it one point that there was a need to have this or the ordinance in effect prior good question and the other comments thanks this is brand new for holland this is something i think we've done a lot of thorough vetting was taking the opportunity to go and see these sites that they've worked on that's pretty big in my book we had our planning session earlier this year and one of the top priorities for the city for us as council was to  tackle affordable housing do what we could to make that happen here and we have an opportunity here i don't know if we knew it would happen this quickly as nancy said there's communities around here that want this opportunity and they just have not presented themselves so we have this opportunity here and it's it may not come back around again  also the street we have approximately i think it's one hundred units gone and in the area so some people have talked about density soul this is comparable to that area as well and that's only a few blocks away that's not far at all and to the point of giving opportunities to other developers here and holland this this has been on the market for proximately year i don't know all how long beyond that but i know i've heard that the owner wanted to sell this before and it just never happened and here we have an opportunity once again for someone who come to come into our city and provide an opportunity for one of the things that we put on our priority list there's a truck the day shannon just thoughts of the things that come with low income those things are not always true i i had an experience some years ago where i live this whole thing we had  if if this this situation was in place the law affordable housing it may have been different for us but it wasn't at that time so it was a really different for us there's a couple of people here in the audience good samaritan community action house linda jacobs and linda raymond stuffed up to the plate to help my family out and i'm grateful for that without the opportunity you wouldn't you i would be sitting here speaking to you so when the ideology of someone who has low income can't contribute to society well myself i block that that thought process i'm here right now as a member of the leadership of the city so i look at that as that that's just dropped ation fears that may come up with low income and i believe that you know a few things like like it's been stated this project isn't perfect but we have the opportunity to move forward whenever there so often that comes  it's never perfect at first one of the thing that holland's known for is snow melt now because of that we have people we have people from canada talking to you about snow melt that's pretty crazy because the beginning of snow melt how many people were on board with that there are a lot of people who probably thought were pretty easy so i look at this and sitting here in holland ho does things that are new in the venice they forge ahead and they don't just do it we do it well wherever we see cracks in the foundation we shore that up and as they stated this isn't a perfect situation well i mean i guess a perfect situation this isn't a perfect project this doesn't meet every single check on the box but moving forward we can check those boxes this program right here or the situation we have this opportunity we have moving forward brian lynn said earlier in the process that we have to do this project very well and because what'll happen is two things one of two things will happen either will start this process and it'll fail and affordable housing won't we will not look at affordable housing again that will be the end of it so we cannot afford to let this fail but if we go forward and do the best that we can and with excellence we have the opportunity to put a dent into the eight thousand number that's out there right now so that's it for me mike thanks crazy like you should have gone ahead if that's going to be a tough act to follow up with you appreciate your candor it's been said before and i'm not going to repeat a whole lot of what's been said but this one has been flipping in my head for a couple months and there are at least a good month that we've been talking about it  i thought i had my mind made up when i walked in here tonight in new facts bring out new thoughts one thing i want to say right off the bat is the professionalism that you all brought tonight is greatly appreciated very much so the demeanor the respect for each other that's why all of the city there was talk about neighborhoods and what we're trying to retain i thought popped into my head that there's one big neighbor to this suggested complex and that's this building right here the people that are doing the inspections and making sure that things are still supposed to stay the way they are or on the third floor they're going to be watching over that at all times that's what gave me a little bit more confidence along with some questions that were asked early on it was said that systems of the city manager when they can went out and did some vetting of cities i specifically asked for that he did not go to a person list he went to those cities that had very similar situations so that we could hear from our counterparts it wasn't the investors it wasn't the developers it was the people that are in our spots city council member city managers planners not one bad word you know we can look at buildings all day long said the same thing up on the heights the developer team and said we have a great project project and great i'm sure you do and that's not the point so the brick and mortar side of it didn't impress me as much as the vetting of our counterparts in the reports that were given back i'm not going to be any different than anybody up here is this the place where i'd really want to see this probably not but that's not what's being offered to us the opportunity came to the developer the opportunity came from a private individual that owns a building we have to deal with what we're know i guess if if if there's an issue i'm not going to go down that road we will be watching this very very closely as will the people up on the third floor that are paid to do exactly that along with our public safety the heights if you don't realize it probably has a greater percentage of high density housing for capita than any other place in the city i happen to represent the heights so i fully understand what high density is i understand what some of the ramifications are from the public safety standpoint that when you as was said before you put that many people together there's a potential you're going to have a greater call just the numbers not because they're good not because they're bad it's just because the numbers are there it's strictly the way it is there have been a couple of suggestions put forth by the public safety that i'm hoping that we're going to  embrace some suggestions that the letter writer has talked to his counterparts and given some suggestions some observations that well maintained well managed buildings the call volumes reduce agree with us or not and there are you know two sides to every story two thoughts to every process there's nine different well actually i don't eat tonight but there's typically nine different opinions  i was torn coming in here tonight earlier that i you know i could agree and i could see points from everybody that said anything here i'm going to be supporting this tonight it's going to be watched very and again with us being a neighbor we've got to make sure that this works there's no two ways about it thank you again for your professionalism and you deleter here tonight it's greatly appreciat i guess that is seven comments and i really the cumulative effect of the image from all the different staff the different the developers the research in wisconsin the comments from all of you the e mails that we received the searching journey of every person out here i think we all realize that this is not a flippant decision none of us just through the dice and said yes or no every one of us felt this responsibility and a very have a way where like that to make this decision and you know whatever we decide will affect the landscape of the city not just for a year or two i could easily be fifty one hundred years buildings don't turn over too fast around here and part of that reason is because they're very well made and very well maintained we agree on that standard in our to michigan and i am so honored to be here among such a city of leaders everyone of you spoke were careful thought out you had reasons you had thought it through and all different dimensions not just about your own perspective you thought beyond who you are where you are to your neighborhood to the city as a whole i would like to put that meeting up against just about any city in the united states when there is such an emotional level to a decision that so many people could rein it in and talk it through that it's a priceless value in this community and i think that's part of what makes our job good and hard at the same time there's no one you can dismiss as irrational or selfish or you go to stokoe or here to ruin the community you're all hardworking people that care about a quality place and that's why you chose to live here that's why you took the evening out to sit here all this time and listen to people you don't agree with and listen to people you do agree with and you're willing to work within the rules of that and that i'm just so grateful and i honored to be among this group of people and i am very grateful for my colleagues comments i know they worked hard and long and thought hard and long and to the person we were conflicted till this meeting but we don't have the luxury of saying i don't want to decide tonight because now we do have to decide and the strength of the decision is not based on any one person's perspective it's about eight people tonight and i take comfort in that that the decision is because all of these people had a sense of what they thought was the right thing to do and i believe that that decision that will be the best for this community in the long run whether we like it right now or not but i do think that should this be we all have a responsibility to make it work and how that we all are taking an eye on the charge that we don't just walk away from this development we are going to be involved in this development and i do appreciate this company and its leadership i know they're not planning on building something and walking away they are invested in it they realize the standards we have here they know we're not going away and that we are really intent on only doing quality here and so we do appreciate the level of community that they emphasize in their projects it's good to give people space to meet and to get together and it's good to give them that kind of variety we all like that we all like a living room feeling on the first floor and a place to exercise and it helps to talk in a place to do electronic things so hopefully that will be great appreciate hope church being willing to care about the people next to them and  hopefully we can reach out i realize there are people that are making greater sacrifices than others i get that my hope would be that the blessings of this are going to be surprisingly good just can't see it tonight that's my deepest hope i certainly understand we're asking some people to give up more than others has already been said i will say that there is a i meant to include a data point earlier and i put it out there for it to be verified or not as you wish  but it is my understanding that mission in relation to the length of pilots does not require thirty years so that maybe as a data point that needs to be confirmed so i would just move right to the recommendation and in your revised packet i'd like to take a second to read it recommendation is to prove the fordable workhouse workforce housing development plan to two fifty four river street is proposed to the general capital group contingent on removing from a table and adopting the proposed ordinance amendments by adding article six to chapter thirty three point one sections thirty three point one dash sixty one through thirty three point one dash seventy one to allow opinion  four percent of the annual rent for the construction of a proposed work first housing project that you do for river avenue for a term of twenty years that's underlying here is signifying it's different from what was in earlier weeks ago the next turn parentheses is about as long as the prior to agenda item was approved so i'm not going to read that that's happened so for a term of twenty years with the following conditions one approval of all the landscaping building in site plan improvements recommended by the downtown develop authority and required by the planning commission to approval of updated residential screening criteria and behavior safeguards to accurately reflect all assertions of management of this particular property provided in a variety of public meetings inclusive of of processes be followed with care of three parking for any vehicles in excess of one per unit we have purchased by the general capital group downtown parking passes or some other acceptable system approved by the city manager for allocation of a portion of the missile service agreement to the downtown vellum authority consistent with the existing properties contributions five subsequent  this is something that you may not based on your previous conversation and up stairs subsequent reconsideration of a thirty year pilot if some market rate apartments can be provided once after all the tax credit construction bids and other relevant cost and finance information is known number six i should be deleted given that it's pretty well proven and on site american manager would not be possible in number seven subject to that the new sex subject to approval is to form by the city passes now we will open it up to public comment or anyone have public comment about this suggestion good and i guess i just want to say that if i thought that this was the last time this project was coming around or if there truly wasn't another one waiting in the wings i would be all in favor of it the reality is i watched the k f c get bulldozed on the corner sixteenth that river not that long ago it seems and that was also a low income housing project in the core city but its  walkability score for these folks is two points off from this location i think that there are projects available i think that there are tax credits available honestly i had no idea that ken was trying to retire so as you go to approve the pilot just make sure this is really the best in holland in the past we haven't compromised it seems like every one of you is on the brink of wow do i really want to compromise but really want to do this and go with your heart i really think that there's a better option it's not that far off and we have a lot of talent in the city and seeing this come along we can have faith in somebody like g m p or g d k or some of the other local developers to bring a better product project to the table probably sooner than we think thanks thank you ben any other  is and i live in grand rapids so i don't have an address here but i would like to say that i am a master's student who turns in holland and would love to live in the city but frankly i can't afford it so i am one of the people who might live in this housing so i just think that time it was a tough order the first time right so i will make a motion that we adopt the proposed ordinance amendments by in article leave at six to chapter thirty three point one sections thirty three point one through sixty one through thirty three point one through seventy one to allow a payment in the taxes of four percent of the union or rents for the construction of a proposed workforce housing project at two four river avenue for a term of thirty years subject to the following conditions and i will just state them as conditions one through four as the city manager outlined along with i remember seven and mike i think that grabs the the crime free provisions that you were referencing earlier absolutely like you support a move by whitman supported by birch discussion yes frank might be the only one no you will not but i think one of the things that's evident even just in terms of the events that troy transpired in the last couple minutes is the complexity of this in terms of the number of people that left thinking that maybe this thing had already been decided  and there are two people that didn't move at all and that's the developers i know is there but one quick comment i just want to make on the last lady that spoke i appreciated that part of one of the things with this is there are a lot of complexities and one of those actually is that you wouldn't be able to be a full time student and and be and qualify for this so there is a lot of nuance in terms of hey who's going to be living here  but my i don't know a lot of comments for seven be it part of that is so i get to make up for a lack of life experience relative to my colleagues on the council not that much well and i don't mean that is a negative i'm just saying i don't think i don't have the well to pull from that a lot of you have in terms of just and it's tough to replace that and so i tried to put this through the same exact methodology i use when we talked about the civic center in terms of a huge project something that's going to be around for a long time and trying to follow just kind of how i think about making big decisions and so one of the first ones which is really tough when you see in a room tonight you listen to a lot of really good people but take the emotion out of it i think that's important because this isn't a five minute decision it's not a two year decision or what's been just put on the table in the form of a motion is for a tax abatement that is longer than i've been alive and i don't say that jokingly i'm being serious thirty years ago i b m watch dos three point three a look that up yesterday and i'm like what is that  it's it's just a point ok but so then you know so that's the first thing and take the emotion out of it just looking at that the second thing is positives a lot of the time really easy to come by around here and this is really cool there's a lot of good things but when you're going through this one of the negatives in or any of the negatives the deal breakers to really just trying to figure out hey is there anything here that's a downside it's a deal breaker the third thing is looking big picture what else is this going to affect in the big in the scope the bigger scope of things and the number four is how do you protect the downside there's always going to be risk and so a how do i mitigate that that's partly why i supported seven i'll take your money if this gets approved because i don't want to not take your money if it gets approved and so when i when i look at that i think separate of the project where where i'm struggling is approving a thirty year tax abatement in what it's manifesting itself here is a pilot that's a long time there's people in here that won't be around and i'm not saying that joke and i mean that's the magnitude of what we're talking about and when you tie yourself into anything for that long you lose the ability of flexibility and so i think that's something that is i would  you to have done everything right in the process in terms of answering questions following up and doing all your due diligence for me it's not about the project it's not about the location it's not about whether using brick or vinyl or how many windows you have that stuff's not important to me for me it's it's just the idea of anything for thirty year tax abatement and what that can create in terms of limitations i think you're going to find that my colleagues are going to be supportive of it but for me to be able to answer for my vote i wanted to explain that's what my concern is is approving a thirty year pilot that ties us from a city standpoint into that's what that space will be designated to so that's my rationale for where i'm landing on on that in terms of where where will vote on this issue yes tad i saved all my words for this particular item didn't and there were a lot of words shared by the seven comments eight comments on seven b couple thought so i think it's been suggested that we were  all kind of waffle and back and forth i felt pretty good about this actually from about the moment i heard about it and truth be told i'm not the the largest affordable housing advocate on this council probably more like brother len when it comes to the numbers that's really where i kind of dig in with economics and finances my background the e u i can't see it he's got to hand drawn up spreadsheets back here that he and i are sharing back and forth relative to some of the income brackets and things like that and i do want to make a comment quincy i just so appreciate your comments and your transparency with us and i had mentioned to brother land about twelve years ago when i was i added the sixth member of my family i to understand this you know you know that a little bit different way truth be told i wouldn't qualify for this housing couldn't make enough and so i get it and i understand in quite an acute way but i will tell you this whole conversation about tax abatements and pilots and this and that you know the thing and if you were in the room we first started the evening we made an extension and we made an adaptation to it probably one of the largest abatements this city has ever made it was meant to attract a new technology to this town called lithium ion batteries and the state mandates so much of this  this group debates almost every time one of these things comes up whether it's a tool and die rand zone whether it's at three twenty eight or one ninety eight iran's own nasa brownfield that there soup to nuts quite frankly in the state enables almost every last one of them we don't make these things up for us there are things there's tools that we have to address and quite frankly i think it's almost universal that we don't necessarily like all of them but i've said this and i've been very consistent with this for almost eight years if they exist it behooves this group to play hard by whatever those rules are for the benefit benefit of this community whether it's twenty years this thirty years that i don't know but i do know that this was established as a priority of this council and it's it seems reasonable to me to extend the fullness that we can with this we have extended thirty years before on such items we just extended ourselves thirty years on a brownfield  that we're participating in on a eighth or ninth street it's important that if it's a priority we use the tools that we have at our disposal to play hard because other communities will and everybody  diocese knows i'm pretty competitive and i love this place as much as anybody else and if the tool is available to us i just suggest that we use it if indeed it is a priority of this council and i think it is and so  let's get at it and i trust fully that staff will address all the issues and i agree with you we could debate all day long about whether we like the terms of an abatement or a pilot that somebody else makes up in and one thank you and we have had a little request for a quick break for counsel and we'll be right back ok we still have unfinished business which is the proposed work workforce housing project nope the approval of an ad how we did that was that a bad dream or what now we're doing the approval of an ad hoc property review committee so first we have to take it out of tabling so supported by white you know the answer to that how fast can you talk mark or i can go really fast ok so officers to say the planning commission here's a forwarded recommendation to city council paul open to public comment anyone want to comment about this committee that rushing to the podium will close those the public comments to prove support it's starting to sound like singing together ok that was moved extra and supported by yes i just wanted to make it quick on a design that this is this is needed we've talked about it and i think it's something that a little while back when opportunity  city on property and we were in a position where we have to react and this is a example of how we're trying to be more proactive of getting ahead of some of those future conversations and so i just applaud everybody's work on this so far so yes i definitely we want to we have good problems in that people are coming here and wanting to invest and wanting to be a part of the great things that are happening in holland but we need to be ahead of them so we're going to work at that so ana could you call the so we're moving and to the adoption of the ordinance ordinance for the proposed rezoning and lincoln avenue just right oh back tomorrow i'm sorry we do have to go back one i'm sorry oh i'm sorry communications are written petitions oh he should have put there item as to accept as information it was communication received from a resident in regards to a short term rental that should have been under consent and to accept his information and i believe all of counsel has seen that letter and if anybody would like to see it it is available in clerk's office i will move except as information moves by women supported by those in favor say aye opposed same sign that carries you ok thank you and i will reverse an hour go back onto the adoption of the ordinance and mark could you pop back up again thank you and then i will steal has requested that two properties that they own combined acreage is just less than eight acres in size and you can see it on the screen here but they they own two properties at fourteen forty two held required public hearing for this back door believe it was a march first actually february fourteenth and as recommended that you rezone this property to the i one district additionally the plan industrial facility it's an existing business that's a located in zealand and i believe they indicated they have sixteen employees in moving over here there they hope to be up to believe that he said about thirty to forty employees move by a white man with a bird yeah i'll give it to bird seconded for bird ok any other comments by council members yes mike probably should have played up earlier mark you know you're going to get this question from me when we're dividing pieces of property why are we not just square in this thing off and making that whole piece of property that one to the south  or that is a separate own property another proselyte the lot you look in added i'm looking at the redline is right in the middle of ok that red line there the bottom there that is following a property line that is of so there is another privately held up property right here mike  ok any other comments yes pass through there is no no nothing additional or loss to the city it's something we've done for four years if silicates rehabilitation services for disability especially disability at work lakeshore and it's a ok welcome back time we go on to gifts in a place they are the city it is managers office is pleased to report the following gives city counsel for the city of how and host city reps reception to be held september thirteenth for the annual convention receive two donations one from lakewood construction in the amount of fifteen hundred dollars and the second one for michigan west coast chamber of commerce in the amount of a thousand dollars community human relations department received donations collected from me february twenty five uncut voices of it in the amount of sixty four gallons from the holly news advisory council and community human relations department again for the how news advisory council for your brains five k run walk to be held on april twenty ninth two thousand and seventeen in support of the mental health awareness of mr in kind donations received from peach wafer two gift cards for a total value of ten dollars community human relations department mears round table received two donations one from thomas and laura boss in the amount of two hundred fifty dollars an anonymous donation of fifty dollars sell for a scholarship donation for the parks and recreation department received cash receipts for the recreations office daily in the amount of forty dollars in the parks and recreation howland in bloom received three donations one from hope college for one thousand dollars appreciation support supported by bird all those in favor say aye opposed same sign thank you we're very grateful for all those donations for so many different wonderful things going on and we appreciate the support for the m l coming that's great so now we are on to the approval of the amended program statement in management for civic center place try as i think you  may remember the city council this program statement was reviewed in study session a week ago there's three clarification suggested then there underlined in the document i'm going to show here briefly and then there is a suggestion up stairs for an amendment earlier this evening so the three basically this is the initial slide that signifies maximize all good things for the community and the details are there and in the  place of the different things and the suggestion of stairs with that was that these are suggested uses i think was the terminology for it so if there is in your motion if you we talked about and everything else is the same the note at the bottom i had a question about that over the weekend that was sent to me an official booking policy need to be determined by the start of construction so the pre sales can begin is the suggestion you know once we know that we are underway and that official booking policy is subject to more review by the city council but it would be something like like grand rapids functions a management as a contractor that works and that they have for their facilities and we've looked at the booking policy and they make a lot of sense there's a lot of policy value judgements associated with that booking policy hands of the manager that we're going to try to be hiring here that's why we're having this person we don't want to micromanage it so these are suggestions these are not cut in stone this isn't the final tally this isn't the way it's going to be peters sorry birch approval of the detailed design of the civic center place and it is ten thirty three we really appreciate you coming and staying and being willing to actually do a presentation at this time of night thank you state we knew where we were as we dove headlong into construction documents because at this point we're about to go build this thing so we're very excited about to get this thing connected with a little help from this system there with us tonight we have go construction here who are going to be on hand to answer any wonderful very ok so thank you very much oh this is a quick introduction of the whole site you can on here we know this is working very good because it so as we look at this site we always start every time we have a meeting we think about this project where i was come back to this basic statement which is really about the history of the civic center what its purposes and that's really i think what you just voted on is a way to sort of help us remember these things and make them happen so it's really about the special uses that have always driven the space we could have been talking about the entire site tonight our focus is going to be really what's what's included unfunded last october so we have a quite a bit more detail in this area here this is the overall vision as we've talked about there's a to a budget of twelve point seven five million dollars we want to show you exactly what's in and what's out of that if you've been through a process like this or remodel at home you understand that as you go through it the other in the process you know the prices are constantly moving and we're going to you where we are today these assumptions are based on the the proof funds from october and the donations the wonderful donation from hayworth and we'll show you where the rest of that is we have a nake percent contingency and some bond savings that you heard about recently so the guiding principle is as we make these decisions and as we look at scope and our friend chris tells us that we can't afford everything we'd like to have from day to day we use these guiding principles to help us  make recommendations as to what we should do so preserving square footage of the things that you simply can't come back and do later is always a key and that we want to identify strategies of things that we can add later when we get good news during construction so  currently with we have the twelve point seven five million dollars budget these are items that we are going to use as what we call additive bit alternate so these three items here are things that we do not currently have in that twelve point seven five million dollars budget with that would mean is that some of the storage would be located in the basement as opposed to on the first floor it's a convenience thing like that on the first floor same thing with the second floor would like some storage up there and some improvements to the finish is there that's a relatively small number at this stage these are other items that are not currently in the budget these things we can add it any point during construction because we have these are smaller items so things like expanding the a v and adding curtains and different things so we certainly want to have all of these things and the way we feel we're going to get there is on this page there is the potential for good savings when we take all this out chris is doing its best to tell us what this is all going to cost when the there the potential that council could authorize use of some of the cable t v infrastructure fund to use that to wire the building to do exactly what we're doing right now there's been some pre construction effort savings with some things budgeted and some of those elements are coming in better pricing so there's some savings there potentially we've been getting accounts that sort of stream of pledges in donations so that's additional funding and then additional fundraising things like selling parts of the bleachers and things so all of this adds up to nearly everything we just talked about it's about half a million dollars and that's about where we are so at this stage of the design we're within about a percent of where we need to be and we're pretty comfortable at design development being there telling you that looking on the i we have a twelve point seven five million dollars project that we're going to be very proud of speed so again this is the site the things that are inside that yellow line are what's in that twelve point seven five and we're going to tell you a little bit about  all of the stuff this is just take a tour dan's going to give you a three d model and we're actually going to kind of take a fly through walk through the model here so i'm going to turn it over to dan and he's going to shift programs i'm not as tall as you all right i'll try to stay every hearing on the micro switch out to the model try to take this slow and we really have the opportunity to go wherever you want so if you want to give me some direction you know i'll do sort of a cursory walk through of the building and the site and you know greg police also you know help me with with the explanation we receive it and we'll walk through it  but we can go into other spaces as well so this is just a starting view from the northeast if you were up in a tall building or an airplane looking down so h street the hopefully the canopy except here is all familiar and and and the like so the three main components of the building program building expansion are visible here in this initial set up view which is a new northeast tower that better a new northeast tower the east lobby which is large of glass and then the north hall component which is two story elements so as i continue in you can see there are some modifications  so the main front door now is at the northeast corner that's bay essentially a three story element tower and main nice entry vestibule into the building and a two story element on top of that then which includes what we're calling a social stair which is sort of the new generation of the wood believe that are in the gym which allows for a really excellent view out to eight street and and and to towards towards the p s t towards downtown so that's reclaimed wood from the bleachers on a stepped system that becomes not only an area to sit meet in collaborate but also then sets us up for the potential future stair to get to the terrace so we are making some investments to sort of set us up for that future coupled with that future then is go to the north hall next which is which is here in the view that's a two story element the first floor is largely driven by our indoor market program which we have a series of glass facades here with garage doors that open up to to the street and really allow that indoor space to become an outdoor space and the building  being designed so that we provide the necessary closures elsewhere in the building that will allow that room to function as an outdoor space without undermining you know the comfort of the rest of the building on the second floor then  is more of a bank what level of finish would say where the first floor would be is more of concrete floors and exposed ceiling and is really driving driven first and foremost by the indoor market program even though it's it's a multi function space the upper level will have a higher level of finish so it is more of a banquet or or reception type room and so and then the outdoor balconies that overlook a street in provide a nice human scale pedestrian scale like other amenities dropping down to a more residential scale is what we're calling collectively as the northwest offices it would be the p s d d d a and market manager offices so that there's this collective collaborative hub of  management for for the site and for other kind of the affiliated programs that that are sort of aligned with what's going on at the civic center place and so with that program is it entirely essentially one big room and we're looking to fit out the entire room with with the nice furniture gift that hayworth has made to the project and so not only does that touch on this fundamental goal of flexibility  allows the future of that room to become something else that's it that's desirable in the future could be a coming in this tension of the indoor market or other functions as well so that really becomes a flexible space and then really setting it up like a storefront because we do believe that the northwest side of this building is important as well it's not just the northeast side towards downtown we really want this to become an extension of this path towards the lake so coming around this side of the building this is still kind of what we call the business end of the building in this but we're trying to do things to be sensitive to our neighbors and so while this is an area we're going to have mechanical units and generators and it's still the service side with access to the stage  large new this this piece or here is actually a large collective storage component for the building the idea is to screen the mechanical units and to screen the the ground mounted a quick meant as well a dumpster with a screen  and we're keeping this side of the building still so we're sort of back from from the road age from the sidewalk edges well the still provide a little bit of that green relief towards our residential neighbors to the west so coming coming along here then  this side of the building becomes much more familiar it's largely intact we're going to clean up the existing facade and all new windows throughout the whole facility indoors so the sort of pieces of the building that are not very energy efficient today will be brought up to two more contemporary standards for that but largely leveraging a lot of the existing building along the south side moving moving along continuing to pan along i'm now at the southeast corner  so definitely a hardworking piece of the program this new southeast block as we've called it is both an indoor and outdoor shared toilet facilities and so that provides both outdoor access directly so for the outdoor market other outdoor events that might happen there's the ability to allow access into that and use those facilities without necessarily needing to open up the entire building so then this becomes the crystal  piece facing towards downtown is this is this new east lobby it's a two story all glass element would we refer to it as is the community living room as well and really day to day it would have that function but it's also set up to be a more formal pre function space for indoor events and and also could be a host receptions of its own it has the ability to do that and so it's basically an indoor outdoor extension of the same type of program you can see the outdoor is populated with flexible furniture as will the indoor so the glass wall is really did intended to be transparent not only visually but but in its use as well and so we have doors along that facade which would allow people to move in and out and in and use both the indoor and outdoor spaces collectively you can see also the ok movement inside you can't go through a wall in reality but in this program i can we are now inside the the lobby and so you can see very much a living room type feel in this set up flexible furniture and tend to support both cafe and concessions type functions but also lounging in meeting in and all of this furniture can be cleared out for events we also have a signature fireplace element in the air which we see is a it's certainly obviously a very well received balcony overlook so that the sign inside that you are outside that we're all familiar with today now becomes an inside sign inside the room so as i go through go through here to the north hall you can see the vestibule to the right  with the tower this is largely just a multi functional room in here so for indoor market plenty of glass looking out the street if i move up stairs i'll just for the sake of time go through  so the beauty of computers so now i'm up stairs again very transparent eight street you can see the balconies intended to be a large flexible room we are bringing the some of the reclaimed materials from the existing civic center back into the new design and in the fireplace and and some walls within the building and then this piece which you see in place here is a movable wall so you have the ability for the north flex place to be two separate rooms from the gym so it can it can have a function simultaneously but that also can completely go away and that north flex space opens up as a as a tiered floor or not a tear for before at floor but with the ability for additional upstairs seating and standing room and barrier free  compliant space for engaging in gym events so the function of the gym this has a number of we do this here so i'll just quickly click through a few functions we have set up this this would be a you know we've used the threshold of like a six hundred plate dinner function which you see here represented so the telescoping seating are not collapsed but retracted and and so this is set up for that type of a function now it's basketball so this would be basketball so very familiar with sort of it would be experience today but the seating is much nicer in and so so any questions with any of that i'll turn it back over to electrical charging vehicle charging in the future the finishes we're looking at are high quality materials it's going to be an expression of a street will continue down but also new materials just high quality concrete finishes that to be very durable and a preference throughout for locally manufactured furnishings and materials and native plants so that's a constant to this and you get a sense as dan talked about movable furnishings and things here this is the same just sort of snapshots for those at home if you want to download this presentation you'll be able to see some of the things dan was showing because you can't download as model so just a few snapshots of the building and i stand just walk us through talk briefly about solar energy potential if you look on the building you notice up at the top here dan didn't mention it specifically because i told him i would  we're showing the possibility of a solar power feature there's a company called charge house who's proposed that it's basically a standalone element you don't have to decide tonight it has no impact to the cost of the building it's intended to have a savings in the early years of about five hundred dollars a year and over time maybe five thousand dollars year iran will be presenting much more detail there to you in the future to make a decision from a static standpoint it does not we think it's fine doesn't bother us this is a view from from future developments to the east for the most part you'll be at the ground level you'll never see this so we think it's out there it's something that we think is as a positive and has no negative impacts to the building because we've had specific of the building improvements dan just went through all of these things  from program elements as we look at the north paula just like you talked about the upper deck structures and the overlooks in the balconies in the flexible classroom spaces the key as we've talked about all along is flexibility east hall expansion is really bad as dan showed route about the lobby and family room and corporate receptions and all those wonderful things will be able to do and then the exterior finishes or things like we're using the existing brick we want people to recognize the old building we want to see it and feel there and the new building elements will have a complimentary but intentional reuse of some of the upper deck seating you'll see some of that because it's a great classic alum and you'll see that used in a real specific way reuse of the bleacher boards and those sorts of things and again a focus on durable of that existing building last sixty years we want another building  sixty years as i mentioned earlier i felt it was important to bring on an operational consultant to help us look at this just from the operators perspective because we don't know exactly how you're going to operate it so we wanted somebody to come in and just say you know what this is all i do all day every day and i got some ideas and so we asked rich to take a look at this riches with a company called s m g there i think the largest operator of this type of facility in the country in the past to look at things like the kitchen the concessions the food and beverage service a lot of very detailed things that you're going to take up over time provided inside and operational aspects about how do you attract performances for example we want to bring in the harlem globetrotters they opened this building sixty years ago we wanted to reopen the building and in eighteen months how do you get those involved formally now it's pretty much the start of the calendar year please know that in that capacity we've been attending the monday design meetings all started as wednesday but then became monday design meetings  there's not just me involved i've got one of our food and beverage regional folks out of peoria and then i've got two corporate resources at our head office in pennsylvania so it is very much a team effort it's something we've been very engaged with and  been pleased to be engaged with i guess just a couple of real world interactions that we've had so far mentioned the solar panels when that was first brought up to be able to identify because we're in the business of selling meetings conventions and trade shows on a daily basis that solar power that solar panel installation could be a sales tool with a lot of these meeting planners anything you're doing green is viewed as an as an asset so when you're doing that cost benefit analysis that needs to be taken into account as a benefit towards having this rather than not having this it's those type of things it's looking at the kitchen set up looking at the concession set up looking at potential shared space between the the  box office function as well as a concession stands so i found the team to be very very welcoming and open to our suggestions and or challenges to some of the thoughts and i think overall what you folks are looking to do for the city of holland with this new facility is going to be spectacular just looking at the drawings it looks like to me one of these timeless designs where you've got blast and brick that will look like it was just built for the next fifty or sixty years or so and i get i'm happy to address any questions whatsoever and i make note that there is a list of notes from ridge in your packet and i think there's three specific recommendations there is three things pacifically that we were asked one was the concept of concessions food and beverage in general who should be delivering this and it is our position that the cafe will be the daily primary food delivery system so that if you've got something going on in the building that evening your cafe out front still go be active if you've got nothing going on your cafe out front is still going to be active so to have someone managing that on a regular basis and then tie that into concessions if you've got a small meeting for twelve people if you've got someone who's running the cafe who still has access to some mob modest catering opportunities they can still take advantage of those assets and provide a satisfactory level of service that you'd be looking for for the use of the facility additionally concessions now if you've got to some shared space for the cafe provider with the concessions operation there's an opportunity for them to touch on both and i think that's that's go be a great operational value that a provider who you could put out an r f p an r f q a provider could take care of both of those needs and then still have catering a preferred vendor list for a caterer it also i think would maximize the facilities opportunity for revenue as it relates to this similar to that the question was asked what about alcohol sales it is the nature of these types of facilities that the option to have alcohol sales maximizes the opportunity for revenue as well as maximizes the competitive nature to host some of these events i'm not saying you need to have alcohol sales for everything i am saying a significant amount of banquets will require alcohol a significant amount of weddings will require alcohol a significant amount of ticket events the expectation by the patron and on the promoter side is that alcohol would be available so to maintain your competitive nature i think that's something that the city should seriously consider along those lines the third thing we looked at what we were asked to look at is what about who owns that liquor license i would strongly recommend that the city maintain ownership and control of the will of the liquor license  the last thing you want is to be in a competitive situation with a business partner if someone else holds in my opinion your liquor license because it is your facility it puts you in a negative position any time there might be any type of negotiations that are coming up so i am not a lawyer i definitely am not a liquor license for mill your lawyer however i think there are licenses available and it's not overly expensive for the city to be named as the primary and your provider to be named as a secondary on a liquor license and those were the three items i think those were that we were specifically asked i just chirp in the rest of the time but those were the three things we're specifically asked for recommendations and those are the recommendations we provided to water thanks so much really appreciate you being in these meetings and being here tonight thank you so much all he's hard to argue with when you when you have a question about how wide the doors are and how things work so just to be really clear we've had a ton of conversations about kitchens and since this project started to be clear in the kitchen that you're getting it's a catering kitchen that's very clearly what we wanted to do what a catering kitchen does is what you see on the screen here it's intended for an outside catered to come in they bring the food they warm they prep they don't cook here this is not a grill this is not a giant restaurant this is not a commercial kitchen it's a warming facility it'll serve us a banquet type delivery for six hundred if we have a huge plate events we actually looked at we think we could potentially plate up to one thousand in the whole facility at one time you would definitely need to use some of the other spaces to make that work and that's not a challenge it's just how that would work the concession capabilities it'll be all new and it's the services we just described again we're talking about warming things it's popcorn and hotdogs it's not a grill with a hood and all of those sorts of things seating capacity is always an important thing and rich of us to two thousand seats to make sure that we can draw the right kinds of that we have two thousand two seats in what we call full performance mode basketball venue mode would be about fourteen fifty  and again with the seated events for tables it's six hundred in the gym two hundred in the east hall two hundred ten in the north hall on the first floor and a hundred sixty upstairs so a lot of different flexible ways to use this building having events of various kinds  stage service areas back here for lockers and those sorts of things in the green room the restrooms the east lobby the north hall and then of course the offices and storage back here and then the upper level that's the upper level area for the north hall which which is going to be a very flexible space so just again the views that dan told you these are the fixed views those folks will be able to use and and we'll update that and get those basketball hoops out of there because they will go up sorry about that and i did want to point out and did mention it but the idea that this is a movable partition wall we didn't want to have be just a big blank piece of vinyl or something where with the idea that we can do some expressive art piece that can that can be just fun to look at as well so again the east lobby  other elements there are some green roof elements of the solar again all those things contribute to the marketing of the facility here is the north hall where in the wintertime this would be full of vendors and market spaces later that same day could be a yoga class or something else the idea that it's got multiple uses the moment you've all been waiting for you wanted to hear about the mechanical systems here we are you have this tricky this is all part of tying into the core of downtown this is all about the energy savings  building out of nation will be linked in your systems just like this building and it will be able to turn the lights on and off from his nightstand which is very key we're going to air conditioning for the first time in sixty years you're going to have a you're going to get this building first four more months of the year which will be great we're trying to cool the outside no we're not going to go the outside sees me plumbing and fire we're going to have really high efficiency fixtures all new fire protection throughout it's going to be a thoroughly modern building mechanically electrical system over backup power so this would be a facility that's useful in emergency situations the lighting strategy is really about wonderful lighting and careful lighting we were getting better and better at this will show you some images of what this all means but it's about flexibility and using the light the ability of the light fixtures themselves to create different light colors and patterns versus changing everything for decorations all the time so this is just some good examples of the kind of the character of the lighting this of course is not our building this is an existing building but you get a sense of the transparency of what the east hall will be like to get a sense in some of the outdoor spaces these patterns on the ground are actually projected on from the lights and so those can be changed or they might be snowflakes in the winter they might be tulips that to a time or whatever so procreate throughout the  year thinking about that social stair here's another expression of how that might work and the character of the lighting and again the canopy over like you would you know inside as you see lit spaces but you don't see the light fixtures a lot and that's really kind of where we're going with lighting and that's what's makes it so welcoming and so easy on the eyes you get a really generous kind of war you can actually see color at night it's a really great look so that's the direction we're heading there the design together with completed what we call design development that puts us at about sixty percent of the way through the process the next forty percent it really gives me really diving into an amazing amount of detail to make this happen we received a blank commission approval last night big package one we're going to in order to keep this thing get this done as quickly as possible we're going to break the construction document bed packages with the contractors but on into two packages the first package will be done on may one and that's demolition the foundations and the steel fabrication those are really long lead items for steel we want to get their order to soon as possible so that will happen can't see the bottom too well but the covers that we're doing the asbestos abatement right now where we are under construction as we speak they're taking out this best us from the old building if you go over there you'll see the guys in the moon suits in the plastic and they're doing a great job cleaning that up the site fencing  will take place in june the demolition and foundations and steel fabrication will commence through the summer and you'll see the really heavy construction start in september and we expect to be done at the end of september twenty eighth so it's a very aggressive about a fourteen month process this yellow line this is a new yellow line this yellow line you see here is roughly where the construction fencing will go this attracts a lot of attention we've been working dustin from go construction has been working with the market vendors and other folks who have operational activities to up time to try and identify where exactly the fencing has to go a lot of this is requirements for what we call construction laid out there's materials all of the things that have to come out of the site and of course are safety requirements cranes and heavy stuff moving we can't have people near the site so this is what you're seeing these circles represent gates and this is the area that will you block off for much of the year starting this june through the completion of the project for next year to a time in eighteen we're going to pull portage and we were both four percent under we're starting to see contractors be full for the summer but we've got the schedule so that you start in september to make it more tough yeah and so as well as we dive into that so the process goes so we've just completed the design of other package last monday and so chris is essentially the process starts over every time we finish becker so he's going to analyze all of those things he's going to come back to us and he'll certainly tell us we're high in some places allow and others will go through that same cycle process where we look at it's been about it's been about priorities and principles the whole time so we'll continue to assess those things and as we get down to the end that's where those those i mean those are sort of the really final decisions were like a versus b and ultimately the leadership team that we meet with every week or two helps us make those calls so our focus is always been on a  you thank you very much greg and thank you everybody else for being here it's a great team and we just it's been such a huge expanse of africa with so many levels and so many dimensions  a film or give us a great background context and it was a great life so much to be thankful for and you people are a big part of that thank you so much go construction as the construction i just read that did you read two things or was it just the one ok let's the recommendation all right and supported by peter's ok thank you all those in favor say aye i post same sign he is recused so do we need another presentation for this well sure i and yes shortly  this is approval of a contract to go construction stage to the first stage was last year representatives ago construction are here tonight destined him so you just heard from chris ford so  they are able to answer any questions might happen i think i'll just skip right to the recommendation since we covered this in the study session last week checking out of the city council approval contract between the city and go construction for construction management services for the civic center place improvement project amount of four percent of the city subject to approval is a form of the city attorney who has been active lee involved in this cancer any questions as well and that go construction be authorized to bid the building when directed by the city manager  any comments or motion yes yes yes yes yes yes thank you thank you all so much going to communications from the this and i appreciate the effort and the outcome and second thing is there is no meeting on april fifth everyone should remember it would be our next regular meeting because spring break however there is a special meeting march twenty ninth subject to the city attorney and a legal opinion thank you ron communications from the mayor we have accept an appointment  asking for you to accept an appointment steven de young to the neighborhood improvement committee for his first term to expire in january two thousand and twenty ronald chavez for the police community relations commission for his first term and that would expire in december twenty eighth derek dolman to the team court advisory committee for his first term and that term expires in january twenty eighth teen so it's recommended that council approves stephen d young to the neighbor improvement committee ronald chavez to the police community relations commission and derek derek dolman to the team court advisory committee office of my eyes went bad trouble five a celebration of what's called earth hour lights out of it is intended to take place for eight thirty to nine thirty p m and so world wide event to change our energy use for at least one hour out find something you can do in the dark or with minimal of a nation and help to educate yourself and your family and the community hopefully that there are some things that we can do to help us reduce energy also in conjunction with that in connection with that event a march twenty five a documentary titled the city dark will be shown in graves harlem  that's living sustainably along the lake shore going facebook take that in and you'll find out more information on this thank you and you will be celebrating the city's one hundred fiftieth birthday that day by turning the lights out how's that for cool what they did way back then yeah made in them any other comments or communications from council members or motions or resolutions from i'm going to yes and this saturday we're have a double header and how it at ten o'clock you can go to the coffee klotz at windmill island gardens and they're going to be talking about st patrick's day in the protestant dutch that celebrate st patrick and that where another green and that should be a fun conversation and then at noon you can have an over downtown and we will have the st patrick's day parade that starts at the civic center and goes to the current which is very appropriate for st patrick's day so get all your green out and have fun it's free to go to women island gardens for friends of the windmill and others would pay five dollars also don't forget the if i work as david told us and we have also parents night out the how and recreation division is featuring that on the twenty fourth you can bring your kids to east k seven and they will take care of them with volleyball basketball and all kinds of things you do need to register though don't just show up they need to it might fill up fast so you can call three five five eleven thirty three five five eleven thirty four march twenty four from six to nine o'clock you can enjoy an evening together and have your children well cared for at least k seven through our recreation division and if you'd like to contact us just check out the screen where glad to be able to talk with you and appreciate all the input that you have about whatever is going on and how and that you're interested in talking about and they you for sticking with us through this very long but very important meeting so i have a great night and thank you for tuning in oh yeah i'm sorry we have a movie support can we have a motion first place