good morning council member nine members present karmas present to conduct the business of the council thing mr clerk and we properly filed today's emergency meeting agenda with the county clerk's office and have findings that an imminent peril exists to public health safety or welfare included in the post that agenda yes mr chair them urgency meeting agenda has been filed with the office of the county clerk and office of council services findings that an imminent peril exists are included on the agenda and people who request notification on a regular basis were sent an clerk members without objection i'd like to have the clerk read the findings an imminent peril exists which are included in the post genda you know  of the coming of maui does hereby find the following one as a result of an extreme unexpected rain event on september thirteenth two thousand and sixteen extensive damage to private and public property has occurred as a result issued an emergency proclamation on september fourteenth two thousand and sixteen exhibit a and governor david y e issued an emergency emergency partial mation on september sixteenth two thousand and sixteen exhibit b both of these proclamations are still in effect to the damage caused by the extreme rain event includes but is not limited to expansion of the river bed of the river this expansion has had dilatoriness affects to both private and public property three as a result of the extreme rain event the county of maui has undertaken major restoration and cleanup efforts for the fact that area this has resulted in expenditure of funds pursuant to the emergency proclamations that was unanticipated in the fiscal year two thousand and seventeen budget for the county needs to continue through mediation efforts in order to prevent further damage to public and private property should there be any reoccurrence of heavy rains five in order for the county to continue its efforts an amendment is needed to appendix a the fiscal year two thousand and seventeen budget for the county of maui as it pertains to part two special purpose revenues schedule of revolving special funds for fiscal year two thousand and seventeen emergency fund six without immediate additional funding to undertake further restorative efforts and eminent peril to the public health safety or welfare exists and will continue to continue to exist until restoration and cleanup efforts are completed seen none all those in favor of placing if i by saying i those opposed say no measure passive with nine eyes and zero nos before we proceed with public testimony i'd like to thank everybody for being here the one rule we have with respect to signs and right now no one's blocking anyone else's view but the rule we have is that they can't be disruptive and so i just ask that if you're going to hold a sign please do so in the in the back row so you're not blocking anyone else's view of the proceedings also i'd like to just point out that it is the council's understanding that the measure that we are entertaining this morning is for reimbursement of funds already expended by the county of maui not by any other private entity these are just funds expended on behalf of the various departments in the county of maui in addition to that it's our understanding that these funds have been provided for work or the work has been done as is permitted by law and under the a nd has been done in the proper fashion and the funds that we are approving this morning are just for those that have already been expended by our departments the remainder of the funds that the administration requested amounted to about five point an additional five point three million dollars i have been referred to the budget and finance committee for further evaluation because it was our feeling that we needed further detail prior to authorizing that additional sum that of monies yet to be expended and we just want to remind everybody that our focus is to maintain the health and safety of our undertaken and hopefully provide some clarification that none of the funds that we're talking about today in any way will be assisting while local water company and whatever work they're doing the addition to that it's my understanding and members you may ask for the clarification from corporation council long but it's my understanding that we have  no authority over the riverbed other than what we are instructed to do by the corps of engineers we don't have authority over the weather good water company happened what county resources particularly those are affect our department were damaged but the priority was to get things back in a safe manner to provide for the safety  community and we also worked very closely with the regulatory bodies that were doing work in the stream primarily u s corps of engineers so in the hours and days immediately after the event really need to take stock of what we have in our hands and we need to do we've taken mediate action to protect the community in a number of different areas so speaking to the the matter that's before you today in terms of effort that's been spent the work i so for us clearly the damages that happen to keep money why we were concerned about our bridge so the bridge that goes over the river valley road we did initial survey it appeared that the day at the bridge wasn't compromise in such a way that we couldn't take equipment over the bridge however there was a lot of debris at the prius that need to be removed because the capacity under that bridge had been compromised if you stand a look at under the bridge you can see there's basically three cells that allow water to go through and they were  filled up probably over fifty percent which means if we had another event had the potential taking out the privilege so one of the efforts we embarked on not the first but it became after a week or two was to remove the material and reposition some of the material out of the bridge so in that in that effort we did we move material and we did remove the material in order to establish reestablish  there and in fact the stream has as we go up and down the street river you know has been altered and a few days after the main flood event there was a moderate rain on the mountain and  fact we had we had folks working downstream in fact we got a call get out get out get out there's water coming down farther downstream but it was near the water came back and was actually over the road so it was clear to us that even in moderate rain events one that we would typically see here on a monthly basis that our road was going to be compromised as well as a county own parcel a place that i believe is used for social services so we are now in a situation where   we worked with the corps of engineers we had them on site gave us specific direction on reestablishing the stream flow and basically we moved material the only thing we hauled out was green wast sizes anything that comes down at some point it you know those so high could go up like fifteen feet or something like that at was full and so it was compromising that facilities ability to hold future debris there's a tremendous amount of pressure being placed on the walls that and the grates that hold the material and and so we received permission to immediately start removing moving material out of there so we could hundred feet that area we worked on so our staff highways division did a remarkable job again under guidance with the corps of engineers under guidance from our engineering team big stack boulders from the stream in that area we resubmitted it over a period of a number of days and solidify that area to make it safe  so there's a mixture of rocks and boulders maybe some green waste that we determine was a little lower priority so we're working on that more of a regular monday through friday eight or seven a three thirty shift movi stored a mixture of sand rock and smaller type stall that just gets mixed up in the in the debris and we're stockpiling it there that material has the potential use for us in all types of situations so we're stockpiling for some future use if it's a term that some of it needs to go or can go back into the flood control or farther up the river will certainly be some certainly do that we had a blast we had a cop who their work is what i consider dangerous and i'm sure all the working men and women that were there thankful for that so job and separating that out but the more we bring there the more expensive it is so for us if we can take it to two and i would stop pilot for future use that saves everybody some money so the chair that's kind summer be happy to take any questions you folks may have rather than taking questions at this point i just wanted to have that briefing for the benefit of the folks in the audience i think the majority of the members are aware of the work that's been conducted thus far we have a significant number of testifiers we currently have twenty eight and that may be maybe  more at a minimum the chair will hold to the three minute is there any you know some of you have other responsibilities later in the day we have the option of limiting testimony to a minute or two minutes or or diskeeper at three so any any sense from the members that's victory and oh yes thank the chair you know i want to hear the public and what they have to say but you know that i am in the middle of a deposition and i have to return and want to clock and i want to be here i made it a point to go walk away from it for it now to be here to hear everyone and to make a decision based upon the testimony and as please limit their comments with respect to their well look at water company involvement because that's not an issue that's on our agenda today i'm not going to say you can't talk about it but i wouldn't i would just ask that to not dwell on  do have mr victory in it as need to get going and we'd like to have everybody here for the vote so with that mr clerk mr chair proceeding with the presentation of testimony on agenda items we've established a limited interactive communication that enables individuals from honda and mulcahy to provide testimony from our district offices individuals who wish to offer testimony from honda and you should now set up a district office staff individuals who wish to offer testimony in the chamber please sign up at the desk located in the floor lobby just outside the chamber door testimony at all locations is limited to the items listed on today's agenda mr chair we currently have twenty eight individuals who have signed up to testify in the council chamber the first person to testify in the chamber is so please that we've all been operating in football ten years now it's a police would appreciate a place with a priest to touch having a place of healing we've been using an adult capacity for the last ten years and of course many years prior to that where families and youth come to consider and ponder the things that are going to they're going through in their life a place of healing we are helping them to realize these things that hurts that they have in their lives and how to resolve this so they can move forward in a positive way ten years ago i wrote a petition with the state dillon are to remove the bathroom which is on the lap of david and boss wrote a petition to remove those bathrooms to restore the sanctity and honor and respect back to the valley i just was in a meeting the same week that this storm occurred in that meeting dylan aren't just coming he was there we discussed the park's a master plan and although we talked the ball the importance of culture and its significance most of the discussion really wrapped around how are we going to be sustainable making money how we're going to charge and make you know it's  economic in that sense and i wanted to say it was interesting that the storm occurred right after that because all i've been seeing is i'm not saying we can have you and before we call it the next test the fire chair i wanted to are for the suggestion that i'm willing to relinquish my time for i b m this afternoon if the need arises that we need to run this meeting later  so it's ok with me if it's allowed that i'm ok to i reconvene my one thirty i am to another time to the chairs intention was to run into your meeting if we needed do glow she will be followed by about and really to encourage the council to take a broader look at what's going on he focused on you know the cultural significance of  which i think if i had to choose one of the two most sacred places on this island would definitely be on the top and two when we talk about what is sacred we're not really just talking about  religious or sort of a feeling of sacredness but it's about practice built over generations and hundreds of generations of engagement with that environment through burial practices we've heard about some of the emergency sort of activities that have been going on as a result of this flood disaster and you know our heart our heart goes out to the residents of the area and to other people who are trying to put in the good work to sort of stabilize the area but what i would encourage the county to do now is  to really ask that there be a coordinated effort and when i mean a coordinated effort i think we all know that there have been things that have arisen because of the nature of this emergency and people trying to make things safe at different levels so we have all kinds of machines in the river on behalf of all kinds of people and what i would ask the county to do is to sort of stop and instead of you know the county looking at particular areas and residents looking at particular areas and the d n r looking at particular areas but to sort of coordinate a way that they can look at the health of the entire river  and begin to make decisions in that way and to sort of get out of the emergency mode and plan for the long life of what you call river so i guess that's my plea to you when you decide make this decision today but also in decisions to come to really look at and take the opportunity to make what you call river better than it was before the disaster follow the rules on what needed to be done to make sure that we don't destroy the integrity of certain places that are sacred especially to native hoeing this area is highly significant and if there is very people not suffering in the area they get dribble water yeah but why the rush why all of a sudden the rush yeah you know i hear you know those kinds of things seeing that you know what properties are being jeopardized and all these kinds of things in a will always try to find excuses as to why we need to go in and we need to do these things because somebody is lives are jeopardized what about our allies what about our integrity what about our history what about  would first like to say that my heart goes out to all the families who have lost anything but i cannot support finding without a clear plan a clear plan with a clear statement of what impact this would have on our environment she wanted to flow the water chose to flow so who are we to change anything what what effect will it have the next time she wants to flow because well look where ever it doesn't only affect the people living in iall if it affects everyone living on maui also it not only the effects it would have on the river but on the valley itself considering its sacredness it's not just any value it's not just an article for  people my coupon are buried in there so we need to take in consideration before we wever all of these laws and because the if you don't mean you guys don't have to follow it but no way look we're companies in there that's just covering their butt so they can continue to take water illegally that's wrong it is wrong you guys must council members you know i have to say that i firmly agree with everything that was said before me today from a cultural aspect and for i know but today i have you know i support everyone here and what they're saying but i do have a different battle for our on my name is not nice at those i represent i'm here to represent see when i came i had some photos i would hope that you folks had had by now and perhaps there are in front of some of you my resident and a property owner of yellow valley and i am a county of m taxpayer as everyone in this audience is i have a started tell and it unfortunately is not the same story as some of my neighbors who live near a place have had we used to live at the corner of hundred sixty nine before it became a place if we still live there today i would not be standing here in front of you but this is not the case for us we now own two fifths of a mile of river bed and i'm sorry to say that we can own a river bed it's it's have but that is just the way it is our property starts at keep on you a bridge and we had mr david good top a great deal this morning about keep anyway bridge and also all the other areas of county infrastructure that has been protected as a result of this massive flooding event from day one and i should say from september sixteenth i have been contacting every agency to ask for emergency assistance for a family near keep me why a bridge we have had an enormous amount of damage and we've shared numerous photos of the debris that's sitting in the riverbed behind our  property i began contacting the mayor's office department of public works the commission in the army corps and you know it's just amazing to me because when i asked the army corps and all these people for guidance on how to proceed because i had an emergency the river was flowing the rectory at my sister's home it practically made my nephew saw him fall into this the riverbed i'm asking all these people for guidance everyone's pointing the finger at each other there is no concerted effort at all on the part of government and this is scary you everybody i want this community to know that there is no cool he's sick of plan going on right now we've got to get something together in action in the event that we have a much more not major natural disaster if you have a tsunami or hurricane i am terrified i have received our family have received no emergency assistance from any government funding from fema county or anyone else and our mayor has said that it is coming and i you know my family is very optimistic and hopeful that it is coming but we have lost hope to do the national guard left the valley and we didn't see them step foot on our property so i want you to know none of this money has come to us but i am a taxpayer is everyone else in here is and i would hope that the county would start to protect gosh i have so much i wanted to read and i have the red light but you know in the mayor's proclamation they go on to say that they're trying to protect property owners and people along the river bed no one has come to protect us and they want to say that they're doing all these wonderful things but it is for the county infrastructure people if you folks run into this situation in the next natural is only able to provide an emergency basis assistance to protect county infrastructure i mean maybe the corporation council can provide a little clarity later but  members so nice to see you again this morning my name is turnout for tado i am running for county council and this issue is one of the many reasons why i'm running as you can see from the gallery and t testifier list there's a lot of our people here on maui that are very concerned are very worried about where our taxpayer dollars are being spent and how they're being spent for being i have a lot of worry about this valley i have a lot of worry about the fact that the army corps of engineers has issued a permit without having any background information on the fact that there are cultural practices that happen within the valley i know now is that  i will hear that this is not the county's business but that we have no jurisdiction that we have no oversight but i do want to impress upon our members that just because we feel we may not have anything legally does not mean that we cannot put our voices forward and say this is what our county needs this is what our people need what i'd like to impress upon you is the need to think about possible liability in conjunction with the work that is being done by  water company yes i know that what we are hearing today is the appropriation of funds that have already been spent and there is another meeting for funds that will be spent and what i'd like our council members to do is ask the administration for a line item description of everything that those monies will be spent on because again i would like to make sure and i know that you would like to make sure that the county is not going to be liable for anything that might cross within the permeating process that we undertook and that my local water company has undertaken as director dave taylor of the department of water supply had said during the water resources committee meeting there was coordination between that department and water by the water company and so i am very wary of what that might have looked like beyond the scope of repairing county infrastructure what i'd also like to is that you interface more intimately with the sea worm to address and solve this issue and be able to inform us a little bit more transparently especially those families that are in valley that are acutely and adversely impacted and have seen no help for their families or for their homes as evidence by the woman that was before me there's a lot of frustration regarding that too and there may not be again jurisdiction under county charter or what have you but you know it is prudent that all of us whether we represent our people or not at the moment that we take them into consideration because they are taxpayers they are voters  they are friends in our community and so i would like you to think about those things as you deliberate in this final reading of these emergency fines and and please please keep the public always informed and always throughout the state and this issue about who is responsible for what is not the problem we know the reasons why this is occurred on part of everybody involved whether it be governmental  these past several years you have known that that's suchan doesn't come in said from the rocks being president it is the stuff that shouldn't be there such as i am with trees growing in the river hat did in my lama place and here we are today speaking of the destruction and the ongoing and i might add in the accolades before or after my name but the thing is a quote engine has no idea we have seen over the years that their suggestions as much education as they have had has failed us and this will fail i consider myself an expert on the river because i live by the river my family for generations have lived right in why we live smack dab in a river our house is built on stilts and i asked my mother why yessiree my son and i believe it or not actually walked the river we went to several different places and what this suggests and to power rocks and dirt to free the dirt and then to put them in the middle of the street to redirect ain't going to work of september thirteenth i was down in my brother is a firefighter he was on duty he started texting me about seven o'clock that my neighbors are being rescued from their roof so i got home as soon as i could drove home as soon as i could but i couldn't get there or bridge had already washed away to cross the side up to the house and even in the back to drive up was being used by the river as a river bed so there was no way for me to get in and there's no way for my wife my two young sons to get out there are trapped  safe and out of harm's way i can't say as much for the neighbors across the river from us the river went through their homes and even the next day on sept fourth september fourteenth i went back up there to see you know what had happened i couldn't believe my eyes i sat up on my deck and i looked across the river and the water was flowing down through the neighbor's garage making a waterfall under their deck and the deck it almost falling into the river itself i mean the go for a reason so that's not for us to change that's for us to have reverence for and respect for i guess now i want to say a little bit about what i've been a witness seen since then  i've seen excavators in the river in front of my house i've seen excavators up at the bridge i've seen excavators up in the river passed by new a park i've seen truckloads of being removed from the our valley if they need to be moved around to make the water flow freely that's great because that's what needs to happen there are large islands of debris in the middle of the river making it unsafe and unstable most of that has been removed in front of my area but not all of it so i'm not sure who's doing what and that's the part that's concerning to who are who is operating the machines in front of my house who's not operating the machines up at the county park i know for certain that the person who was operating the excavator upstream from the right to cool water company or a diversion was a way to cool water company employee he identified himself so when i witnessed that machine moving the river from the south bank of the stream and not just read to the north bank of the natural stream bed so you please provide a concluding remark i will so i would like to have some sort of documentation accountability for what's being removed from the valley because whatever is in the valley longs to valley i'd also like the county to please take an active role as an ally with us in the cool water company for the environment of crime that has been committed then i witnessed model was terrifying it's a sort of thing that you hear about and watch on t v and movies and i am so sympathetic to people whose homes are even more just right than ours and i believe i do  ate the explanation the beginning it's my understanding that rocks indeed which was found out yesterday that rocks indeed were being removed and started my couple and other rocks were being removed while in tree de from the flood control and do correct me if i'm wrong that was being taken to the property near the dump which once it was separated those rocks were crushed into gravel and that has been extremely problematic and disconcerting to much of the community and because of that that action has been ceased to my knowledge now the accountability for the county to show that that will not continue that the crushing of the rocks will not continue i think is really important in order to maintain community cohesion to prove to the community if you would be so gracious to do so that it wouldn't happen again because as you can imagine there has been a breakdown of trust with regard to the i'm not going to go into detail with regards to the technicalities of the liquid water company issue i'm not going to go into detail because i know that's not explicitly on this agenda and i know that other people will touch on it what i would like to offer in my remaining time is you know the residents of course are concerned and need the work to continue in order to protect their properties their homes and their lives but we also of course realize the concerns of the broader community and so if i could implore the council and the administration to come together for mediation this may be a bit naive but to come together for mediation i think from what i gather a lot of this frustration is because much of the community has tried to reach out to white liquid water company the us army corps of engineers see where i myself have emailed the council and court counsel and the administration specific questions with regards to these concerns and we've been totally stonewalled so you can imagine the frustration i'm much trained mediator i'm a trained legal observer in high tense situations between law enforcement and those in acts of civil disobedience i offer my services for free of course to the council to where the water company and to the residents to come together and mediate to try and get on the same page i don't think that these challenges are insurmountable i'm running out of time unlawful acts of one of the cool water company and the responsiveness of the us army corps of engineers see where the council and the administration we have made headway because so overstepping your position yourself because of the administration i offer my services i stand in my written testimony i would really appreciate if you reach out to a small spans from valley road on one side to the top of the country a states on the other from the flood control on the site up to the trouble gardens on the side all in all i believe we've had a council member and boozman by our property to check it out and i want to mahalo all those members of the council and the council staff who has taken the time to come to the valley  not just in the valley road but all the extent of the valley from the state park and beyond dahlan to them and to see the damage that has occurred throughout the extent of this sacred area also in the hollow you know the administration and the various members of the various departments that have came out to survey and to you know speak to what can and cannot be done on our property we have not had any work by the county we have contracted private work to assist as per the guidelines of exempt actions army corps and what has been allowable by through public works and the various state agencies and we've been in contact with all of them in some way or another for better or for worse since september fourteenth the easement that loni referred to testimonies ago the ease ment that prevented her from getting home is my driveway i lost about half of all my belongings that night and i was was not able to to save them i'm just happy that no one lost their lives on that night we are lucky we are very lucky very blessed that we have not had an occurrence again and since september thirteenth although we've had large rain and many of us residents in the valley were standing in graham's parking lot during the time a few days after the september thirteenth occurrence where the water again rose and started flooding the wong's and he goes along with the grahams property again because of not only the realignment of the river but because of the debris that has been left there and many people have spoken to the fact that there is large islands of the bre that are still in the river it is my understanding that the colony just can't go spend money willy nilly i don't want them to i'm a taxpayer like everybody else but but the large piles of debris are a direct threat to county infrastructure water lines road sewers and further degradation of the roadway will prevent any of us from accessing this place the parks and further up in secret valley everyone else has spoken things that i very much support and i'm in full support of all of the actions taken by our citizens to protect this valley think you think you are sort of pictures and videos sent to myself and a few others of a lot of the removals out of valley folders said a man trees all of that from what i know from what my sources tell me is hundreds of truckloads have gotten to cen my landfill and the big huge mountains of gravel that you see there are from valley boulders that were taken out of a valley and like somebody mentioned earlier before everything that's in the valley those boulders be cause if it's secret this second me a also wanted to bring this you know had we not brought this too late we would not be here today and because the road has been shut up closed down a lot of people didn't know what was going on and residents were reaching out hey i don't think this is you know there's hundreds of truckloads leaving every fifteen minutes heading to center mali people following the trucks so i know for fuck and i went clear and secondly with in in concert you know when it comes to the residents i think the county is so focused on the infrastructure and not focusing enough on the residents because as we as we know now you can bridge and the river is literally undermining the peace corps residence as we speak but we're so caught up on the infrastructure emergency funding come on we don't taxpayers you guys got on the other people first ok that would have been crushed as well to claim that all temporary storage it's all she by because we brought this to light care why should our taxpayers be wasted for holly out of the river to be temporar stored and then all of a sudden we're going to spend our taxpayer money to haul them right back up to your valley that's a waste of money don't you think when you guys agree and i also in closing remark i would like to request the county council voice their concern over what why local water company is doing upstream that could have major impacts on residents there's a huge amount in of debris and sediment in the middle of the stream that poses threats to people down stream and also to our marine life down below so i like to for you guys to take that into consideration have your voices raise send letter i don't know or everyone's pointing fingers at each other's agencies so let's cut through it and let's get it done and  and you know posted videos and photos of on social media of her company's actions and you know whatever was said about me and you know the two other girls that were with me i would like to let you guys to our intention was not to place blame it was to go and oversee and you know search a little bit more in depth to the actions that were taking place that we had been hearing about and sense then you know it's opened a can of worms i like to say account of communications you know just regarding our actions that we took in regards to a who our company you know th there they're the people that are allowed access up there you know i understand it's for work and you know they own you know sections of the river i mean you know they have work that needs to be done up there but if it wasn't for the community reaching out and gaining access and seeing what was being done i feel that we had still be in the dark and we wouldn't be in conversation with what's going on there's a lot of money on the line and i understand the work has been done and that's what you guys are allocating for today but there 's just been a complete lack of communication amongst agencies you know we when we had a community meeting with governor state department heads on wednesday we voiced their concerns we asked who is going to go and over see you know we get responses me when are you going to go i don't know so there's just been a complete lack of communication residents are not getting answers you know i don't live up in the valley but i've seen what's being done and you know the work that's being done up stream it's going to affect the work that's being done but low and below it's a trickling effect and there's no oversight so why waste money time energy and effort fixing one section of the river where the next storm i mean it could potentially ruin all the work that's being done at the bridge like there's just no oversight there's no and i think that's basically what i wanted to touch upon today regarding you know a little water company i think that's where safety should be a concern what they did u river it's going to directly affect the residents and everyone below it so it's not about the water and it's not about us preventing them from having water but it's let's share the water and the river did it for us so let's let's keep it that way and let's work together and as for the communication guys thank you allow michael malo million for this opportunity to hear our concerns  you know i want to do cynical at a lot of the people i've been seeing like most of us know the difference between federal state and county but the county is the one that's here on the ground and when there's no federal and state over state the easiest people for us to reach out to is the county and so you know what people are asking for i don't think is too much they just want transparency and they want the county to lead in talking to the city and the federal government you know now similar to what is going on in my loop the machinery is in the river which normally wouldn't be allowed unless there is an emergency declaration and all the water coming down is brown so you know i think also another s that i would like to echo is when people hear the word emergency declaration they think that things are being done to protect the people and their property and also infrastructure but in this case it's not what's being done in not only by the co or not especially by a colony but it feels like the emergency declaration process is being used for everybody to have a big free for all and there you know and with a coordinated lake everybody come together to the table and look at the private corporations that you guys all work to there for the bigger thing in that this turns into an opportunity where when we have future disasters where there is flood these asters disaster hurricane disasters that groundwork is already lit by what it already in place by whatever this emergency block proclamation or funding is so that you gays all of us can be assured my name is michelle holcomb and i'm a resident of y luke i'm opening a bar on market street and i know firsthand how hard it is to get a building permit in this county no matter if the building is something that's overwhelmingly supported by the community i was frustrated by the process but try to see the bright side which is it slows down developers development forces the work to be done properly and respectfully unless of course you can afford to pull the strings and push it  last hundred fifty years the sugar industry turned water companies have monopolized who wants fresh water resources for corporate profit hawaii's freshwater is meant to flow to the ocean it's key to our delicate and diverse ecosystem but mother nature spoke and takes care of herself she spoke loud and clear when she buried the diversion and created a new a new path for her flow this is indicative of where we currently are with the changing agricultural agricultural reality on maui now is the time to embrace that change and not force monotony a monopoly with heavily manmade machinery it's time to resource that i know with many hands many crops and plenty mana now is the time to listen earth we are all here to say that we unequivocally do not support the reimbursement of any work that was may have been done to forcefully realign the while loop the river flow and do not support any remove  company in its continued efforts to steal our most precious public resource divide hello my name is amanda wilson and i am a resident of maui and also a teacher and i want to say i'm really thankful to be able to come in and directly talk to our representatives this is a really big privilege i feel like and i understand this meeting is for money's already spent but i want to say from here on out what i hear a lot of testimony saying which is we want transparency and a clear plan i think the public should have access to the plan so the we can be informed and vote and talk and communicate further i hope in the future you work to make sure that federal funding or state or county or emergency funds go to help the seventy plus houses and families that were damaged by this storm and in the future please consider all of the entire ecosystem of the river all the way i am here to offer my support for all of the people that have had damage and whose homes and families have been put in harm's way by the flooding that we had  on thirteenth of september i am really concerned due to the emergency proclamation that the public trust doctrine has completely been ignored in any of the restorations that have been going on to me this is a cultural genocide and it cannot be tolerated for any reason other than people humans being put in harm's way and since it's obvious from the testimony here today the people that are directly affected by this that live along the way look at river have not received any support and help is to me incredible embarrassment for our county our state and our federal government so before any money gets paid out here for the request for the funding i would say that line item expenditures are really important the people need to know where this money is going and if there is any money at all being paid remotely to the way local water company for any work that they're doing i would also like to know where all of that they're taking out of the river and the soil in the debris where is that going is that coming to the county is a county benefiting by that and what is a financial value of all that all of all of the pocket being turned into gravel and all of the mounds of soil being moved around at the landfill is jennifer consume to be followed by king whitman  thank you for this opportunity it's really important that we're standing together and i think one of the things we're being asked in what we're asking of you is what is your responsibility and what do you define as an emergency and what do you define as infrastructure and what do we define as life because i think some assumptions were being made about what infrastructure the community holds highest and what definition of life we hold highest and is the infrastructure about the bridge or is the infrastructure about the community and is life about the life of our economy or is the life about the life of us that cannot be separated from water water is life here and i think those are some of the questions and i think we're kind of a moment too late at this hearing because i don't fully understand what would happen if you don't approve this money that's already been spent would it then fall to each department to come up with those funds by themselves because that would constitute a real state of emergency in the salaries of a lot of the community members who are also standing here today and i think we need to know that and i think what people are saying is when there was an emergency we all would have been willing to be here to stand with you and to come up with a solution in a state of emergency to address the emergency that is a real emergency that israel is we have a very dynamic very diverse series of definitions here about what is the highest use of our resources and on what timeline are we willing to accept suffering or trial or tribulation or the rebuilding of our community so that we can protect those long term resources that we need to maintain for all future generations and i would ask you as the county council you know what is your highest purpose what is your best role is it as a county council member is it as a lobbyist is it as a developer because right now we want to elect the people that will stand there with us and take a breath before they take action and say that there are many definitions of emergency and you need to bring in your infrastructure which is your community first to talk about the definition of life when life is threatened thank you thank you thank you for the support the next person to testify is king whitman who will be followed by on august twenty seventh there is a sacred place and a sacred place for all of us and i am pretty concerned about some of the things that i've been hearing to my knowledge a while who are a company who you say you have no jurisdiction over has in the past and diverted the river in such a way that a thousand feet of the original river bed was left with no flow so naturally when we have a one hundred year rainfall event the river is going to reroute itself in a dangerous way and now the while loop water company is restoring river flow to their great and further altering the shape of the natural river bed and in the face of climate change we know that one hundred year rainfall events are not one hundred year rainfall events anymore they're pretty common and if this is happened once before who's to say it's not going to happen again and why are the emergency funds being used for the county infrastructure but not for the residents who live in that area why are they not being taken care of first how can you claim to have no jurisdiction over the while loop water company you have jurisdiction to put police in front of the road until residents are not residents but residents of maui that they can access a sacred place we do need a line by line price reference oh where this money has been going to and what is being spent fo last call next person to testify is albert perras he will be followed by morning chair good morning to members albert purse my way tomorrow i have this testimony that i've been preparing i would like to point out one thing though and i'd like to request that maybe there should be someone here other than just the public works director from the administration a lot of the testimony is being directed at the county in general i believe that there needs to be a single point of contact for this issue that people can the public can call and get good information so and i will hold proceed with my testimony on the federal government is issuing emergency permits there hasn't been any oversight to my knowledge and what's going on out there in luke river the state government is issuing emergency proclamations that exempt  almost everything from relevant laws and that seems to me to be something that they've gotten in the habit of doing all too frequently we've seen it with sea walls out in west maui i think it's being used to the point where it's almost being abused  the county is also issued a proclamation they're protecting their infrastructure leaving the residents to predict to protect their own homes but there is no coordination there needs to be coordination  when they call in they should get good answers on what's going on and who can you contact we need experts who understand stream process is a said before flu wiil geomorphology so we can prevent actions that will make the situation worse for those who are downstream in this and all watersheds so actually have made some contact with some people over at u h who have that expertise and i'll be happy to share that contact information with you other needs to be transparency and there needs to be a plan to deal with this scenario which has occurred within the past and will occur again more frequently due to climate change and there also needs to be clarity regarding what that five million dollars was spent on i don't think there's a lot of understanding in the community as to what what is going to be spent on from the public perspective the activities have been a mystery due to the closing off of access and while it's understandable from a safety perspective the fact that the county could have done a better job keeping people informed on the fact that some of the post storm activities by luke water company appear to have been inconsistent with their army cor permit and the fact that they're coordinating with the department of water supply it adds to public concern the removal of the hawker that witnessed centuries of very significant history without consulting native hawaiian cultural practitioners was insensitive at best the bottom line is the valley has been mined for gravel and the community should be consulted so that these former from the sacred value will be used in ways that should be consulted and brought in there's stuff going on up in the valley that needs to be taken into account there is going to be continuing erosion and boulders that are coming down this is going to be a problem that goes on for years and i would urge the council to immediately designate a single car good morning chair good morning counsel this is to a my service dog and it's his first council meeting i am speaking on behalf of one mit now which is a nonprofit that i founded because of the need for our communities to come together over these water resources she's rather than as you've seen what's how his special if there's not clear communication and there's an emergency a lot of energy and money and time can go into things that aren't benefiting any of us so i approve of reimbursement for the monies that have been spent and i ask that you engage in environmental professional with knowledge of flu veal geomorphology and water resources management that you have cultural advisors and practitioners overseeing everything and that all these people would have free access to the work areas that you designate a coordinator to facilitate both agency and community efforts and communications with non profits and that you get some expertise in real risk communication specifically  and i think we really need a citizen oversight committee to work with all the involved parties on this my biggest concern is that we're creating a dangerous situation with the work that's being done and in  uncoordinated way this is particularly important in light of the twenty fifteen draft environmental assessment and for the flood control structure in which the corps of engineers asserts that the structure cannot be certified by an engineer to withstand one hundred year flood and we've we know from the climate change in looking at the data that one hundred year floods are recurring very frequently we don't even know how big this flood was but we know that structure was stressed i don't think people know that it's that bad i didn't and i followed this kind of stuff and i don't remember seeing much public notice of that twenty fifteen draft environmental  assessment by the corps they do have i think a good plan and the kind of work we want to see more of which is mimicking nature and restoring flood plain because if you look at the reality you've got seven miles of river that's going to have increasingly more intense rainstorms with more water coming down faster it's restricted to forty to sixty foot with unless it tears the banks out and at the bottom we have a restricted outlet that's getting more restricted due to sea level rise that's our real situation that's the real emergency and it's going to take everybody on board it's going to take the knowledge of tradition and the knowledge of the generations in that valley it's going to take the knowledge of all the modern science technology and engineering that we can bring to bear and it's going to take better relationships our relationship with the water and our relationships with each other we need to really examine that and i stand ready to give my expertise which is considerable everybody i'm here really your brain thank you not i'm short ok i'm actually here to stand in protection of the water i'm with the standing rock folks and all of the earth we need to stand in protection of our water the resources are being depleted and destroyed and manipulated and this is not right for the rest of our people this is stealing from our grandchildren holo we want to have something for them when they grow our age we can't use it all that water's got to be protected the land the sacred sites they have to be protected it's for our children and our grandchildren so when you're giving water to this while you company or whatever you're doing with this water you're stealing it from around children and this is really crucial and one one of the things that i think that you all should know is a story it's an old story that when i was a young child my grandfather used to tell us stories of what it will be like in the future and one of the things he told us was that there will be a space machine that will go and be able to look at earth and of course this happened in the living being that has to be taken care of and preserved or are there going to see all their greed and elements if they can extract from the earth and he said if they make the wrong choice if they choose to destroy our great mother earth they this machine will explode in space in a thousand pieces and guess what it happened that ship exploded in a thousand pieces just like grandfather david told me when i was a young child i knew at that moment that these people were making the wrong choice and we really need to stand before it's too late for our grandchildren to have this planet and resources and to take this water it's a crime it's just a crime we have to preserve our water we have to this me would please come back to order members the chairs plan is to allow all the testifiers to provide their testimony there with to us once we do that we will see where we are and the plan right now is to move the next committee meeting which was scheduled to start at one thirty we're going to be moving that back we will determine at what point it is so if anyone is here for the environmental management meeting or infrastructure and environmental management meeting please understand the meeting will likely take place at least an hour later th mary whispering wind last call the next person to testify is brian murphy good afternoon council chair members my name is faith chase i've often come to speak on behalf of the snowy water issues but i am prepared to just give some comments to this frightening situation that we have yeah excuse me i'm really really nervous  i guess i just i just got to say really quickly that you know me so i can help but i saw a picture last night of the stones that were crushed and wow well that's not my backyard and my river i definitely have rivers that i'm connected to very we have traditions and customs and stuff and people who that we do and i can't imagine if i'd have to see a truckload you know no offense to way white people five but i'm certainly more connected to the rivers on my side of the island and if i had to see those crush rocks of any of my streams i i would be i would need psychological physical physiological help obviously a kind of looks like i do now but anyway i have to say that ok i just want to read something really quick and start some of my points be advised this permit is being issued to authorize the maintenance of the existing why local water company intake structure at the project location to restore the k and i just would prefer that you focus on the you know me well the last sentence is the most important that's where i'm at so i'm going to continue this verification is not intended to authorize realignment or any significant alteration of the way ok i would like to i don't understand the one communication from the state of hawaii deal in our commission on water resources management the emergency authorization i think this document is no in void i don't understand how you could have the audacity to title or susan casteel in our have the audacity to title a document called emergency stream diversion works repair work when you're obviously what i just read not supposed to do that it's extremely premature altering the river the channel the waterways is it legal i don't want maui county to be an i want to read  the department army corps permit application there is one section and this just sort of stopped here somebody should have been alarmed about this it says one session were really has to answer if there are are there any known cultural resources resources in the project area has coordination with the state historic preservation division occurred or a c e completed he checks on known ok susan case army corps of engineers anybody else involved they see see the whole  that we support the public trust doctrine and the water being used for the people who live here selling the public trust out to create water meters to develop homes for people who are not from here is not in alignment with the public trust over fifty percent of the homes  by people enough from here and we must not sell our public trust to the highest bidder it must be concerned for our people those are his concluding remarks so i'll begin with mine so right now i serve on the board of directors for the white farmers union chapter but that's not my first service i previously served in the army for eight years and to see our core of engineers being used in this way is shameful and it's embarrassing because one thing that i know from two years in deployment situations is that the army doesn't just have a plan we have a plan b a plan c whatever plan it takes and something that we absolutely take into consideration is the cultural respect for any place that we go into whether it be iraq afghanistan so i don't know why we're not taking that into consideration here in to be followed by jennifer annoy me a hero aloha council members thank you for having us today and i think it was needed a little bit earlier but we're here now that's great m and i just want to introduce myself i'm elly ray marsh in custody oh i am a resident of maui now for almost seven years and i come from minnesota where i was born and raised and i am a certified geologist from went on a state university and worked for the department of land and natural resources in minnesota for four years teaching in educating karst and geology and the processes that occur with flooding and i am from the whitewater river valley watershed which is a tributary of the mississippi river and we have seen flooding to this scale on i'd say it was about every we had about a eight to twelve years cycle where we would get major major flooding houses rolling down the river and people on the roofs it was definitely something to see that i would see quite frequently growing up and growing up in the mississippi river valley so i am well aware of what happens when floods come and  yesterday i was checking or two days ago i was up seeing what had happened here in you know valley and what they've been doing and i just want to say that one of the first things that was done back home is we definitely were not taking rocks out of the river we were actually bringing rocks to the river and this is it really broke my heart to see what's happening compounded by specially at the bridge area because i'm really concerned now if we were suppose if let's say it were to dump or right now what we've got going on that that bridge the structure and what's going to what would happen in that flooding area right now is you would get a bunch of eddies and there probably wouldn't be much land or land there at the beginning where you've created the drive down and then on the back side the debris the actual debris that should have been removed instead of rocks is still sitting there so you would have major damage coming down is coming up on the backside of the bridge there which would cause water to flood up you would now have water going over the road jumping the road on that side and down farther from the bridge which you can still see is a huge island of debris that is now going to affect everybody downstream and  so one of the things that we did in minnesota for all of these people that were heavily affected by that was heavily affected by the damage was the community the county and the state and the federal all came together to help those people that are living on the river and unfortunately some people had to be relocated but that was only by the help of the county the state and the federal and making sure that they were compensated fully not just sorry you got damage here's a little bit of money so there are ways to h happened with the premature permanent was not paul and i just want to say that i do not support my tax dollars going to the mining of a sacred place to the mining of our sacred river and to the destruction of the water flow there i want to know what is happening with those pok with it have been taken out i want to know what the plan is i want to know where the money is going if there's going to be money made from those paul hawken being mined out of there i also want to make it clear that it hasn't been shown to us what what the science is behind removing those for all we know those who are protecting the water flow and protecting what needs to happen if you can get some scientists in here and tell me this is why we move this and this is why we will have that and it's for protection and safety and to make the water flow better fine but i haven't heard anything like that the army corps of engineer is up there and we don't know what information they have they moved in so fast and there was no oversight no communication this is already been said you folks know that but i just want to make it clear i don't support my tax dollars going to what's going on up there it's have a it's have a law that water is sacred water is sacred this is the same situation that's going on all over the world with corporations having more control than people and the corporate interests being being used to take advantage of people in their resources thank you it is a place of healing it's a place of prayer it's a place of life it's a place for us to meditate and connect a source there's a lot of energy in the pok up there that's because our ancestors reincarnate as the so they can watch over the people so when you crushed up you crush your ancestors and when you direct our coolie on a our life's purpose it's a major spiritual imbalance and that's why we're here terms in and out of the way the saw i'm here to just stand as a witness on what i've seen personally assert in my cultural rights in our witnessing for myself what has been done up there and i know the objective today is to decide whether or not you know it's refund these monies i just like to ask that the council take a look for yourselves from the top but the state park is all the way down to the county to the county park and go down to the residents take a look for yourselves please because you know during that time a very body distracted  there's a gate up park is close it always close only to residents to those that are koku that is up there doing their work you know take a look at what is being done for yourselves so you can consciously and i don't mean just people i mean for island look at what has been done and where that money is being has been distributed so far and make a conscious decision on what you are the next steps you guys going take in the future because that is going to reflect on yourselves as your character as elected officials from us again i want to experience seem like everybody else and i just ask that you guys really take a look at them the mining of resource everybody talk about the stones just know that you take all those stones from the river especially the big ones and you crush them there's no brought force that's going to take them on that's going to take away from them on of energy from those rivers coming down again you create flumes like in pressure washer and the next the next storm and mind you we going into our rainy season oh yeah this is when we get the most rain you create flumes up there and you you packed it in no way were you were you tighten up the river is going to be this more disastrous for the community know i'm testifying as an individual and as a county employee right now the community is getting a lot of conflicting reports of what was going on in a way like a river so i spent a lot of time fact finding with as many parties involved as i could and there's two concerns one is that the way a local water company is conducting activity in the way like a river that is at best reckless and irresponsible and at worst totally illegal is any of the county funding aiding in those illegal activity or is the county directly benefiting from it and if so and there has been no attempts by the county who is working literally yards away from that activity to stop it then the county is inherently complicit in that behavior  the second concern there have been hundreds of truckloads of pacu taken from wiley river to two sites the white wake up a base yard in the central landfill i've personally confirmed from staff on site at the central maui landfill and with residents who are working on this project that baku is being hauled there and crushed in quantity and that the contract for the crushing work was estimated to take up to a year photos and reports from various sources tell us that the trucks hauling debris to the central and full were full of people had this not come to light and stopped they were planning on crushing a lot of that rock somebody made a bad call that isn't a huge breach of cultural protocol and respect for any of the tradition or saying to t of that area these pocket cannot be uncrushed if taxpayer dollars from the emergency fund are being asked to reimburse this activity i think that that part alone should be denied i have deliberated in length with a lot of the players in this situation about what can be done about this first and foremost it's important to let the to let the administration to know that these are not commodities they belong in the river and he crushing of them should not continue we are getting reports from the administration that only rocks only the small rocks were crushed the ones that were mixed in with the soil or the roots of the trees but independent reports and what i thought with my own eyes at the central landfill say otherwise that is not the case from what we understand there were large quantities of pocket going to be crushed i don't know who authorized this or who knew about what was happening and half of me thinks it doesn't matter at this point we stop the finger pointing and wondering who made the call to crush these stones and allow everyone to move on knowing that it was a mistake and it shouldn't happen again but the other half of me thinks that this is a really good time for someone to own up to the mistake apologize to the cultural practitioners and lineal descendant of the area who are upset make peace with the situation realize that this is the perfect example of why there needs to be more real cultural advisors and representation in all parts of our government and move forward with accountability using this as a collective learning experience about how this government should conduct itself with respect to hawaiian culture in all situations thank you very much aloha my name is a llama i'm born and raised here and i was just going to come and listen but i had to speak my heart is broken for what's going on up in the valley and i know that what's going on is not the oh mother nature she is taking her course this is what needs to be done and we need to realize that we need to let the river flow the way it is supposed to flow in the natural way we need to protect the families of course that live below the river we need to help them we know people there that still are not in their home it's a horrible thing that's going on but we need to understand that this is nature this is mother nature and she is taking her course to prepare us for the future to help us and the future generations to everything that we do everything that we're diverting all this greed and money that's going on is not important we are the the county of maui you need to the community here we need you guys to speak up for us we're here to voice our concerns with what is going on and to see that people are not getting the respect and the help that they need and to see our rivers here on maui being damaged and diverted and taking water that's that's that's for this land for the people of this land it's not it's not bono and i just have i hope that you guys can do what is right and let this flow the way that it is supposed to flow understand that that's not important right now diverting any water fixing anything it's helping the families it's it's being as one and coming together to stand up to help our future generations and to help the island the county of maui to be strong to let the river flow from i everything that goes on please thank you so much for the opportunity i hope we can all make the right choice  lindsay hello my name is adrian rav cora when i'm the sierra club maui group coordinator i just wanted to avoid support for what was just talked about with the i would like to make a more definitive request side i ask council to consider issuing an immediate directive to the department of environmental management that dictates no more who should be crushed and that work should cease at these temporary debris storage and reduction centers until this is all worked out to ensure that nothing is crushed in the meantime so again i please ask that an immediate directive be issued to the department of environmental management to ensure none of this whether it's at central maui or elsewhere is crushed thank you very much is tourism model and she is the last individual who signed up to testify in the competition board district offices good afternoon good afternoon counsel thank you for the opportunity to speak before you guys will be fairly brief and thank you to adrian for bringing up that important question and that request so last week wednesday i was fortunate enough to be able to go on a tour through the landfill it's a tour that most people aren't fortunate enough to actually see i got to see how the landfill works you know what the process is how they've got these giant cells and they get made into smaller cells and how every night the landfill has to be covered and they use these cloths and it's been saving a lot of money and as we're going through the landfill the tour guide showed us these giant machinery things towards the entrance or exit as it were where all of these rocks were being crushed and it was like whoa where's all that coming from and the response was yes and that amazing that's like multimillion dollar equipment that's there for just the disaster storm relief to crush these rocks and i said well what you know we asked what's it going to be used for well it'll go into being cover at the landfill they'll cover up the landfill because after eighteen inches you have to put a layer of cover over the refuse so that's where i first learned about the rocks being covered right after that you know the tour is over it's the end of the day and i get this phone call from auntie linda who lives in a valley and she says turn as are you going to the governors meeting tonight if so please come up here you have to see what's going on and she's like just tell the police officer that you're coming to see coming to see me and she gave me her address so i get there i joke i'm like well you live in the most exclusive community in all of maui now you have your own private police protection here so we go up to the top to take a look at what's been going on and we kind of time the trucks she said for days for weeks the trucks had been leaving the landfill at first it was like tree debris and all kinds of stuff and then it was just rocks and we timed it it was about every fifteen minutes or so fifteen twenty minutes the truck would back into the spot load as quickly as possible and pull out and by the time not truck was leaving there was already another one stationed up in the parking lot just waiting for that one truck filled with rocks to disappear and it was interesting because she explained how the permit was only allowing a certain area to be worked on and so you'd see these three excavators working and reaching under the bridge as far as possible right to that border line pulling rocks out from under there and loading them up into the truck so my question for you very quickly is as you know is the story in being looked at as a financial boom there are ethical questions being raised here no it's not a personal ethics responsibility but there is an ethics question being raised that this storm destruction is looking being looked upon as a financial benefit to the county and of course to businesses but primarily to the county and i think that it's imperative upon you guys to really examine what is going on what is the benefit what are these questions being used for and you know it's not right to make money out of destruction so thank you coming forward members we have received written testimony without objection will enter into the record no objections thank you and without objection we will close public testimony jackson's thank you  procedures for her committee's posting today thank you ok we've we've determined that we by announcing that we're moving the media back we don't need to open her media and recess it according to corporation consul it's ok we can just continue this meeting and convene and then i open up my i am all be it will be a delayed meeting it wouldn't right will be starting at the one thirty agendas time would need more than a break until one forty five ok will be in recess until one forty five me will please come back to order members thank you for your prompt return after a pretty short lunch break and before we consider can consider bill number one zero two two thousand and sixteen a second and final reading the chair would entertain a motion that the council affirms the existence of an emergency threatening life health or property in the county of maui due to a public calamity and that accordingly the council waives the procedural requirement of section fo seas for the charter for bill number two or one of the two of two thousand and sixteen requiring that digests of all bills which passed first really be published in newspaper at least three days before final reading record that following the council meeting on friday staff did submit to the my news the digests and it was published in the newspaper today which is the earliest we could get it in there thank you thank you mr clerk reading you have before you bill number one zero two two thousand and sixteen entitled a bill for an ordinance amending appendix a of the fiscal year two thousand and seventeen budget for the county of maui as it pertains to part two special purpose revenues schedule of revolving special funds for also members as required by the charter of the county of maui this requires a supermajority vote for passage and upson which means we need seven votes at a minimum to move this forward this is chairman this morning and we received quite a bit of community input from various components in their concerns their issues regarding portions of this item before us this afternoon i will just quickly like to appropriate individuals or agencies and that the council should participate as much as possible in moving forward that requests assisting them in receiving appropriate coming occasions in that already because we have an item in committee members as you chair every quested there already directed committee staff to forward to the appropriate departments request to receive copies of contracts executed  for the most expenditures of funds during this emergency situation so that the committee can review appropriately what are the parameters of the contract how those bids were required to be perform that would also qualify this county for fema reimbursements so already we are working to assist and get appropriate information accurate information i hope so that we can respond to community concerns as best as stand what is to be placed at a temporary site close by and that was going to be used either brought back to the site or for within appropriate use within the hope or that is my recollection i was i was  told personally by representatives of our departments not once in our conversation did i hear crushing film with serial or other needs outside of what i thought was appropriate regarding health and safety so i appreciate the community bringing up concerns that i am of course just as much as they are concerned about also but today members we are  reimburse the d partners for their operational output during they merge in c and as i understand why that was spent within the parameter of law and appropriately approved permits again your committee budget and finance will continue with the second some middle further detailed review of those contracts and see whether or not the county responded in a manner that we need to that does action in the open we allow people to testify and give comment in the open so we got in transparency requests i'm all for because we are required to perform in at this point in time i would say i'm going to ask the members to please support the second and final reading we have a lot more work to do regarding this concerns brought up by the community and i think it is our part to assist in getting the assure everyone here in the meeting today that i will be putting a p d f together to find better understand the procedures the decisionmaking why the public was not informed and consulted in all of these areas and this emergency was it that mistrust with between us and the citizenry of mali county i think there's a lot of misinformation but to be fighting and determined that i must find out what how and when and who made what decisions i think it's very important to include corps of engineers and others who are part of the decision process i think the public needs to understand their procedures and how they are real substance here so i will be moving that very soon to my pa today policy and to governmental affairs committee so that we all can have a good discussion in the public can see the transparency as it needs to be see thank you jeff mr couch thank you mr chair and i echo both mr obama's and mr victory those comments and i look forward to the p f coming out i really do think we need to have a representative from corps of engineers and see we're up here to say ok here's how things work and here how here's how we're going to do it from now on because we have another potential bill coming up for five point three million dollars and before that gets passed out i certainly would want to hear what the plan is are we do we have a plan a coordinated plan and a lot of the testimony talked about a coordinated plan that's something that we always talk about let's get everything coordinated yeah i understand that there was an emergency so people had to do what they had to do but let's get a coordinated plan for both the public work that we have to do and they at least let us know what the private you know the the residences that are heavily affected about by this need to know who's coming in and who's going to help and how we going to get it going so yes it's not normally our purview to do this but as some of the testifier said we're the boots on the ground where the ones that they can come to and we're the ones as mr okama said that is the open group the only one that can only have our meetings in the open so this is the logical place to do it so i'm asking that in maybe in mr victor hugo's p f that we include a panel and and some that you know really spoke about the restoration and you know specially easy or there's a reason for the season or there's a reason for everything nothing nothing is going to dent our so for us i think you know first of all i'd like to say i support the authorization of these emergency funds in regards to the flood damage i agree that we should have the sea worm people here because we get targeted where we welcome all of the input but the emergency authorization to the local water company did not come from us and trying to understand what they declared from the sea or more the hole is the authorization i think that needs to be clarified a great mystic culture if we can have the corps of engineer of the whole district as well as the  people doing to explain to us what what is it that they permit it in full detail what and what was allowed and what shouldn't have been allowed i also feel that we need some explanation as for and i look forward for all of the itemize charges or expenditures that the different departments will give us but i also would like to give credit to our departments for responding thrown out that we need to come up with some strategic plan for the community is worth for us to look into this as open up more consideration on our part as administration and and the county council work to collaborate how we can respond better if that's what they're seeing or make improvements along the way so with administration we have you to take a look at what's been happening i was up there only ten minutes prior to the start of this meeting this morning to go and see and the reason was because it was declared twice by chair and that their actions by the company is illegal so the community is asking in this county what we're do we go who do we all who we have yes we are the council boots on the ground but nobody is responding so i went up there called dog care and said we need to go come with me the school take a look  the company left very early this morning car county workers are there doing permitted work that they're allowed so things were going well but you know this is where the communit saying we're all working on our silos but collectively we need to understand what each other is doing because we're working in conjunction and that's a question in my mind too are we not we are not working is d w s water supply and not working with my local water ag and in some form or manner because that is where the water comes to feed all of our community through that diversion so i mean that we try to say no it's not about that but you  know i have a question if it is or not and i think that needs to be answered and the community would like to know and people brought us some great points in regards to removal of the definitely the culturally  you know significance of them and what have you who god knows what was in the soil and the eve that pride gone forever but you know the removal of those rocks it's like  you know to curb the energy of waves crashing into our shorelines same thing happens with the flow coming down from its curb in the energy and as some people stated we want to protect our infrastructure removal of is yet to be seen not engineer but you know water's going to move that much faster so there's a lot of questions and i don't know chair for going to dive into this this costs incurred as to why we're approving this five point three mil the total on this is a million dollars short of what we're giving and a lot of this is very vague for me very generalized debris processing what does that mean we heard a lot of questions being asked today of what is their brief and what's process seen what is being processed what's it being used for i mean the list goes on and on and you know i understand this is a reimbursement of work that's been done but i got questions about that work that's being done the has been done and it's not to take away from the assistance of you know life family property and things of that nature but you know the rock removal and what have you those things i do question i'm just on the principle of this not going to support it today because i think that it's going to pass because we'll have enough bodies here but i'm going to stand on the grounds that you know others are way too many questions for me things that i cannot stand aside and support at this time and i think in closing because i just don't even know where to go you know right after this meeting before lunch break the did you get to watch the testimony two now of hours of passionate testimony and his response was i don't got time for that calm comedy i don't got time for that comedy this i'm very upset what's transpired we're definitely going to get to the bottom of things and regain the trust of the people that we're put it to these seats to represent and to support some answers before we take action mispriced thank you very much to you reading my mind you know we heard a lot of very passionate testimony today and i'm sure that all of it is very heartfelt but i also have another part of what's going on in my feelings i had the opportunity to tour the area and it wasn't until it happened quite a while there was last week sometime that i was able to go up and take a look and so some stuff may have been cleared away before i got there but when i was there work was going on and like mr comma i was under the impression that the i and i asked about what was happening to the boulders that were being removed and i was told that they were being moved in storage and that you know their future might come back they did they had they hadn't decided yet what was going to happen to them but they were being moved and stored and so i've been ok with that but this morning i have heard or and over and over people say that the rocks are being questioned i would like to know is that true is that not true items but as as the days progressed material became more consistent and so any work that we had simply at the bridge place our contractors were specifically directed not to take any pool haku to a landfill most of the material was used on site and redistributed when it could not be used on site whatever reason space material what have you those haku which are generally we're talking large not grapefruit sized archer material was taken to we call to all nine the two hundred ninety  acres council helped us purchase of a lot of highway and so like i said earlier on at the very beginning there was a mix of all kinds of material and i was taken to the landfill and as far as the landfill operations or other material that came in i'll defer to the  were or you know may have not been happening myself as a director i probably could have done a better job in getting it out to the community how we were handling the debris coming in but i think it's just you guys are where  no boulders were ever crushed that came in from you know in fact the only rocks that came in from me over alley the river was mixed in with dirt in the imagine this we had a total of over five hundred truckloads coming into the landfill they were processed in cleaned and screened so in that the three the boulders that came from you know were removed and separated the dirt and  smaller rocks i mean you're talking a smaller size were processed and became gravel which is still at the site now the boulders that we do have at the site that came from you know it's still at our site  pictures for the council so you can actually see what is happening how this system how all of the waste was processed and you have a picture of the boulders that's still on site right now in fact the temporary state as  a the photos that are being handed out to the members and to can be made available to the general public we just didn't make enough copies for everyone in the gallery certainly can be made available and it can be posted on our website  and store and where if people want to go look at this online where would they find it it hasn't been uploaded yet but as soon as we get a chance to do that but when they find it if they want to the farm of it by middle management site portion of the county site or the information site actually i your portion of the website that will be happy to do whatever it takes to get the public informed of before the gr all of this earlier debris had been cleared and when i asked him the question they were talking about the big rocks that were there so what i heard let's correct thank you mr o'connell chairman i think what would be of interest to feel mr chair mr obama for public works you know early on we're trying to respond as quickly as we can obviously have a very serious issue but we're also in the process of setting up the site at the landfill and we weren't sure if we could use to an eye or not so we had to work with thema a little bit on how to do that how to set up a like a manifest process to might have to have to get back to you on that unless that's the portion of the two hundred acres that we were  for that was what i was told to my face because they've asked the questions i was concerned more also about what impacts even if we did the work because the state is doing work or m they didn't do their job with the next storm is still going to impact all the county and private properties below that was part of my concern and i have a community brings that up every most everything else of coordination of effort because we had no clue what the state was doing we had in the cool weather cool water company was doing but our concern was expended millions and could be washed down in the next major in story because the land he's already saturated so i think the counsellors were asking very pertinent questions on trying to understand the requests of reimbursement and that is why we have best mr boss to give us detailed breakdowns by receive from fire and police there overtime in their requirements as they responded to the emergency and we know that those two departments expended a lot of energy and resources m take responsibility of this it is made of thank you mr hook imo you know both are the same thing i'm not sure mr good understood the question but it was our understanding that there was a our intent was the larger we are essentially storing for reuse where appropriate is that it has to turn to be within the law that can be done but this time it's purely storage while we continue to deal with what we have but the the question is is there a seventeen acre eighteen acre site adjacent to the landfill where the debris especially the trees and other vegetative debris were taken  before they get there they could be immediately process because of the volume the what my understanding was that that's correct and that believe that's the site the d m is operating ok thank you so the chairman if i these just to clarify the seventeen acres when when our department first got the women area estimates of the amount of volume that we would be dealing with we did have forty a little further from your bike we did have forty acres adjacent to the landfill was basically used to be cane field there that we initially were looking for a debris management say the additional seventeen acres was leased from a and the scale and the two trucks driving in that's basically the receiving area were trucks will come into this say they're scaled there with a certified scales we know exactly the tonnage coming in that correct the majority of all the trucks and loads that we received was from above happy valley above the basin area there's not sure if that's called like a dam but above that dam area above happy valley is where i believe the lion's share of the loads that we received were from that location various haulers were contracted by i believe mainly public of each load there's another picture that shows big picture of the entire state with a mountain in the background and you can see the incoming loads and you can see some processing activity down below the third photograph which i don't know if this is visible and off but basically a pile of mainly dirt and silt and some smaller you're receiving loads all larger boulders as director stan had mentioned or moved to the side in stockpiled and all the other material that and there was some smaller gravels mainly dirt small gravel and some smaller rocks were screened and they were crushed down to two and a half inch miners but this is in train rock that's in this material from this other photo that or very small rocks in nature and very difficult to screen those out but if you look at the last picture which shows the larger boulders and larger rocks  this material was never crossed director stan mentioned and we never planned to crush that at this point so as the director mentioned that can be relocated as needed  and as director good mentioned you know majority of all rocks went to the to all nine site to my knowledge we never received a single truckload of just raw material or just the material at all what we received was  along the lines of the picture that shows the pile of incoming with some rock and trained approximately twenty eight hundred yards of what we called mix green waste which was trees brush debris and some in train rocks in the root systems of the material that green wast for the most part went directly to eco for processing there are some rocks there about forty yards of rock was there of the twenty twenty nine hundred yards forty yards was smaller rocks and some larger rocks yeah that's the larger boulders that we separated out and this this picture here is a good representative of the material that reese received at the site and you can see it's probably ninety five percent earthen material in small gravels and grit and silt or from above the piece and above happy valley we do have additional pictures of that material in that that is up in happy valley and i believe there's still remains about twenty to thirty thousand yards of material up there but it is generally silt grit mud dirt with some in trained rock but not large boulders and there are some in train green waste in there but i can confirm these numbers i'm about to give you but i believe on september twenty eighth was the first day that we received quantities of mixed material earthen and green waste and we re ceived for about five days straight on line twenty eight nine twenty nine one thirty and again on ten four ok so prior to that no material nothing was brought material from residents pickup truck and some residents did hire some private contractors to help them just with their urgent needs of cleaning up their homes and debris so we received some of that material into the landfill a majority of that was what we call m s w mixed solid waste rubbish and trash not a lot of of of earth and material or green waste at that initial period other than what was piled up on the side of the road going up in there we started to receive that in the landfill for for that three day period before we got this a set up so again i guess the question begs to be and when was the first material brought down if not by why these contractors and by the private entities that were just mentioning that brought private landowners and private contractors hired by the landowner when did material for first start arriving at the landfill i can confirm that for i don't have in my paper or come basically assuming that it started immediately after the rain stopped i'm sure the load started coming in the county allowed the community up there to place materials on the side of the road and then that started coming but i can get those dates for sure but it was immediately after the storm subsided but i know i know for a fact that big trucks are coming out of there within a week of the flood itself so these dates are not corresponding to what i see and i live there and i see the trucks coming in and off so that's why i'm asking the question and i know you put in bins for people to bring their rubb antolin putting these together is number one there are visitors and tourists there were actually traversing our park and into the river without knowing the danger i could not tolerate that secondly there were residents they were taking their rubbish and dumping in their old rubbish which i couldn't tolerate and sold just for you folks to hear it came from me i pushed hard so that only the residents and emergency services would go up there not with any idea of calmly closing out to the public what was going on just a chair but really to prevent the well being and safety of our visitors and residents who had no business being in that area and what all the heavy equipment and trucks moving in and out along with the national guard i wasn't going to take a chance of being here to discuss a lawsuit because somebody got hurt doing something they shouldn't have been done been doing done i should say scuse me soul but i'm trying to ascertain when and maybe stored you can add if you allow it to address that because i've seen actually did day after the event the trucks were going to the landfill and that was all from the parks department so they were the first to start bringing in the ways from the park so questions on the  first load would probably be better answered from the director of parks who's who's here today and it was to call him up later on with the chair but i just wanted a clarification because i was with mr boyd can say oh the day after inspecting that area and there were trucks taking dumps i was wondering how we getting all these dates that don't correlate to what i saw you know i know the private trucks and private landowners did few days later but i remember the parks that i am used to work in sale can verify i went with him on a complete two of the area that time and yes roguish was being loaded into beans and two trucks to be taken down to the landfill and i was told that thank you stan for clarifying that if you don't mind mr victor i'd like to go through the i'm mention what this picture represents again for those of you who are going to go online and look at the  boulders and then the one i'm asking about now is over you from the elevated portion of the landfill what does this represent thank know i apologize i mean they literally my staff and i just printed these are my minutes before i walked in so we didn't get a chance to number them or put dates on the bottom and i apologize for that i can certainly provide dates ruled that you see in from the moment a truck and then we did lease an additional seven thousand acres in that area if you look up at the far left hand corner you're going to see the make shift scale house that we set up which there is a close up picture of the here incoming trucks are coming from up there and then they get scaled and deposit sorted and the material itself goes through a trauma screen the dirt falls out the bottom and then rebels are coming out the end of the screen part of that though if you look closely you see a pile of boulders just up from the mouth disposal trash truck there and that pile of boulders does signify the separation of larger boulders and rocks that we pulled out looks like good pressure excavator correct so basically when the material gets dumped off the truck they're loading it but as they're loading it they're sorting out and moving the larger boulders and rocks to the side now and then the smaller materials being picked up and ran through a trauma screen which is in the far ground there you can see it getting conveyed up the ramp and into a pile on the right hand side of the pitcher and the smaller gravel zinder and there is some woody material that you can see in there difficult to separate that's going through the crusher as well none of this material  had any sizeable rock or boulders associated with it that stuff was mainly separated out as it was being picked up and then the behind the behind the crusher receivers up pile of rocks looks like a good size i don't know melon size maybe and that goes through the screen first trauma screen first goes to the right and gravels are going through that pressure but the are these thought ticking at the same time these photos are separate time periods again i don't have the exact dates for each one of these i can certainly get them we were only running this say for four days so  this probably was in day one or two where these photos were taken i think they're on separate days because this boulder pile is much smaller than the one in this army or church rock pile then just to clarify again what we received was material that looks like this so we would call that mixture of the material certainly not loads of rocks came in  no question about the dates that they gave were dates that our temporary disposal site was set up we as mr clarified did get some loads immediately right after the storm was coming directly into the landfill we had no other place to go with it once we set this site up on september twenty eighth we received about five hundred thirty tons of mixed material  tons of mixed material and about twenty five hundred tons of earth material nine thirty we got about nine hundred eighty tons of mixed material and about twenty nine hundred tons of earthen and about say after it was separated out we still have those boulders on the ground of those days so we certainly could weigh all those but we haven't done a second weighing of the sordid unseparated materials you know but you mentioned earlier that you did batch or do you separate the rocks from the they were earlier separated from the earth and mixed material before they even went into the trauma screen so my question again is what was the tonnage for the rocks not earth that material because you sounds like you separate it correct we did separate it out and they're still lying on the ground right there on site we can certainly load those up in a way those if counsel so desires but we did not do a second when we weighed all the trucks as they came in probably was five percent small rocks and maybe a few large or boulders that you see in the pictures but they all came in in one truckload mixed  the top left hand corner there that's basically the raw material right there and he learned your boulders rocks pushed to the side and you can see some of them in the in the background there that you mentioned earlier gets loaded those boulders never went into the screen the rest of the material went into the trauma screen what fell at the bottom of it you can see it going up the conveyor and that's pretty good you know probably two three inch minus and soil material there any rocks that were you know probably six inch or minus in some organic material and gravels and stuff that did not fall through the screen went to the crusher and there were interior seeing is has been crushed so that this material here is the same material that is shown here in this photograph where you have this big crane on top of it that's the same material as that gravel that material right there i believe is more of the silt the dirt material and the pile in the far background there is more of the  so what you are directed to use i guess crushed materials or there's been no direction on how this was going to be used mainly we initially were told anywhere from one hundred thousand words of three hundred thousand cubic yards that we may have to deal with so main focus was to accept what came in utilize this site as efficiently as we could to make sure we had space for we certainly had ideas of where it could be used but none of it has been used in having been directed to use any of it in any way shape or form there was no assumption in our direction that called for this material to be used as coverage for the landfill it certainly could have been and could be still to this day if we wanted to use it as government aerial certainly it should be used for some beneficial use  that final determination has not been made but yes that was definitely a possibility as discussed but it hadn't it hadn't come to fruition it hadn't been executed certainly not and all this material still remains on this say ok thank you  chair mr good question for you my understanding is that the fema reimbursements require us to take pictures of each truck going out each truck load in or something along those lines that will be done although it's our intent along with the from civil defense to mary's office all the departments are working hard to get as much fuel reimbursement as possible and i think that's an important piece of this is  reimbursement my understand is there has to be significant documentation showing that the things were actually delivered taken to one spot from one spot to the other so i needs to have any type of oversight by state historic preservation and archaeological person monetary gain at any of these sites during this work but doesn't chair for me briefly the answer is the governor's proclamation has we want all those requirements given the emergent circumstance but be mindful that the need for immediate response was upon us on nine fourteen the day after the flood be mindful that if the governor's proclamation did not take into effect public works would not have been able to and will till today not be able to exercise the need to move the debris from the riverbed to the temporary dump site at the landfill so all of this is done in accordance with the governor and the mayor's disaster proclamation ok and i guess because i could see the initial day it occurred or a few days after but this is been weeks on going and that's why the people wondering what's continuing to be brought out of the area where is stored what's being done with it especially in regards to the and there was one testify or who just did a site tour yesterday i believe and was told by d m personnel there that it was crushed in order to be used for phil and now we have director you're saying no yet was discussed but no it was never said that that person working at the site was led to believe that that is what it was being used for and that's their job and so i have a question in regards to the question who's been fifteen and who's profiting from it because someone made the call and i believe this photo of these larger stones is because they don't fit into the question that's why they're sitting on the side but everything else that came out of that valley basin whatever you want to call it the stream crushed trucks pulling out every fifteen minutes full load quite a bit so that's why i want to know the dates of these and i'm getting photos that were just taken yesterday that have way more than what's in these photos that we see here today so i got questions in regards to the time frame on these photos are looking at right now it's just a door but i think something that will clarify yes there was a lot of trucks that came out of there i only have information about what went through the unfilled not what went to say two or nine so perhaps an accounting of the number of trucks or yards that went to do or not i would help explain the massive amount of truckloads and boulders that went to that site and i believe director good had mentioned that earlier but that is the where the rest of these trucks where what i received the land was mainly this earthen material not trucks and trucks of boulders we actually received no trucks of boulders per se they went to do all nine and so  understand so sheriff there we're going to have follow up i guess questions being more detailed i answer to our questions i mean i'd like to see if there's a way to get contracts  and these these all are very good questions and i think we need answers to them i think you know i think we've we've had a reasonable review i think you have a lot of time when it gets to hill commerce committee where that will be possible for us to get pictures from the public as well as the pictures of further documentation from the departments as to what what's transpired and we're all looking for the same same thing and i think it's important we get answers i'm not sure we're going to get all those answers today and i want to give the department time and and give the public time to share  but again strong summation from the governor has suspended all rules relative to procurement however we will be able to provide you with the information that you seek as a release to contract as it relates to the steps that each department has taken to help alleviate the burden that has been stressed in the valley procurement law is specifically here but maybe perhaps if we get to water later i wanted to talk about the ws but i'm looking at photos of work being done in the flood control channel in call home right now as we sit here and there's some heavy now and has been since four a m this morning i believe we have a responsibility to keep the flood control channels clear that's just a good yes mr chair is cochran oklahoma like  like we have permission from the corps to dredge out all the material that's been caught up in the basin like it was stuffed full make rendering it useless meaning the next door in the canal most going to washed out way more stuff and it's really important for us to get that material out of there so the same type of material has woody debris some rocks silt kind of stuff so we've been cleaning that with our own forces our latest estimate as of this morning was around the first week in november to include that were we also added some b m p's as best we could along the concrete portion to collect as much silt that does continue to come out it's again a little more difficult because we're putting b m p on top of concrete rather than if you had earthen material and had an opportunity to see it seep into the ground anyway that's that's that's actively we're doing in coma and part of the request before you today ok and so i guess just all that heavy mud sludge runoff occurring i mean you're doing the best you can and this emergency proclamation is allowing you to i mean it is what it is it's sil now you know into the ocean at this time and what have you but i guess too bad so sad can't do much about it because of the way it's built and the basins the way they're built and what have you if i can respond it's doing its job the way it was built the fact that it's a fill full of stuff and water continues to come down means silt is going to come down if we leave it there more so it's going to come down so our job is to get as much as we can so as to minimize the long term runoff you didn't have that debris trap in there all that stuff would be in the ocean correct ok thousands and thousands of yards better correct so mr rotate brought up something about all this documentation for fema for fema reimbursement so that mean if we get money back from fema that goes back into the emergency fund that we're taking this out of that's my understanding ok that's i just want to double check thank you any further discussion members mr grossman thank you terry i believe most of the members have had a moment to comment i did ask a couple questions but i didn't put on the record my the clearing out or clean up other debris basins which are vital to clearing out to avoid any further sudden floods that would happen in the future however what i did observe was i saw all our county employees doing their you know good job as the usually two they were off working and then you see a private entity the way the goo water company they were doing their thing at a certain site and you saw private owners doing something at a certain site so what i say what was missing was basically what you hear from the testimony or as a court nation everyone was doing their they're thing trying to protect their own assets but not looking at the bigger picture so it would have been great if i was you know if i had the inside tour put it would have been nice for the general public to see a master plan on what each of these entities were doing or plan to do it would avoid a lot of confusion who would avoid a lot of panic attacks it would actually listening to the department here on the landfill and there their explanations would have been great to hear prior to today meeting just so that we would be informed and we could you know answer some questions that are out there in the public i'm sad that i'm disappointed that that part of it was incorporated in the whole situation and maybe it's growing pains because we haven't dealt with a lot of emergency situations but this is a lesson to be you know some type of procedure rules in place you know and it's unfortunate that you know as a council we are there preparations of the money so a lot of times we don't get a bird's eye view of like a lot of what the testimony was provided to us today late we should have cultural advisers and we should have you know an emergency community court need or risk communication headquarters to to give  weekly or every other week updates on what's what's going on one of the most disappointing aspects is the communication about the rocks or you know that's that's really the law doesn't sit well with me and so even though i totally understand the whole matching portion where we have to prove and show evidence to fema so that we can get the matching to get reimbursed for all of the work that we've done so far i just want to say at least on my side as my vote goes i'm not going to support this just as just as a sign of look we can do better and we will do better and i think i stand with the voices in the minority to say look we're our eyes are on the ground and you've got to do much better so i know that we have enough votes to pass this so my vote is just in in the negative on this one thank you chair scribal i just want to comment on you know where some of my colleagues choose not to support these appropriations or emergency but i've never heard anything any concerns to how to come up with the i think members of the community have voiced their concerns about coming together and have a cohesiveness in planning this so i would hope that we can  the sacred innocent you know we can say cultural practice practitioners but if we are going to even talk about that make sure they're from that area not just any practitioner that comes to clean it has to me in my opinion they have to be cultural practitioners from the whole poor and that is where the discussion has to be with the practitioners from valley or that  hole that we're talking about and they need to be included they need to be considered why is it only knol that we're paying attention to something like this that should be something in discussion for most most of not to support the emergency appropriation again to stand up i'm going to respect their choices but i would like to at least have us follow through  meeting the requirements that we have legally thank you you know miss corke i miss crilly bring up a good point because i think you know we all know that the control system has been maintained by the department of public works for many many years although this is a significant event it's not the first time nor will it be the last time that  department is fully in debris out of the debris basin and moving it for disposal somewhere because part of that their responsibility is to maintain the capacity for the system to control flooding and in order to do that they've got to remove the boulders and debris they're using up that capacity of us at the right term but and i am so happy that some of our colleagues know how many people are going to vote in favor of this so that they feel comfortable that everyone else is going to carry the load i don't know what the vote count is because we don't count understand this was some one in one hundred year storm the last time it happened in one hundred years something that we have not had to prepare for before now we know we know what to prepare for we know other areas where we can prepare so we have landing areas or whatever things in advance that we know and procedures in advance that we can do but i don't want this to put a chilling effect on the emergency people who have to go out there and make a decision at the you know right away to see you know listen block this stream so that a potential flood the next day doesn't wipe out people's property or people's lives so i don't want them to be hesitating saying ok we're what are we going to do let's get a plan in advance for you know as much as you can but don't not do the life saving or the you know potentially life saving things because we aren't sure and you have to stand up to a council and get growth don't put that away or else that's going to you know unprecedented emergency we had water everywhere we had trees and a bowl of rocks rolling around and you know i was out that night that this happened no i was not near yeah but enough that we could get through all of it so i have a little bit of an idea of how bad it was and yes maybe we could have done things more coordinated and talk to more people hindsight is twenty twenty but you know when you have a big emergency and people lives on the line you do what you have to do and i think that's what happened and i don't want to get lost in the negative comments the positive that i heard when to the site i sat there and cried and prayed with the families that almost lost their homes and their lives and i listened to the wonderful comments and compliments for our chief who practically carried an older person out there and save lives and risked his own life to do that and likewise everyone else who was there on the scene at midnight with lights trying to do the best they could risking their lives to save others i think this community responded very well to the situation and you know maybe we didn't do everything properly but there's a lesson learned and hopefully it'll be another hundred years before we have to face it again which will give us some time to sit down and real ze lessons learned and maybe have better procedures in place but as far as i'm concerned i'm more than happy to support this money and i want to thank all of those who got involved in doing the work necessary thank you  agnes i said just said you have a split second to make a decision what needs to be done where it needs to be done and when it needs to be done it's an emergency i cruise that whole river from the river mouth all the way up i saw how high the river mouth got to the very top without going over into the lower part of a column another another foot and a half and it would have overflowed the banks and gone into a column so i can imagine how it was on the top when i went and very next morning before anybody else had been up there and saw mrs door and some of the other people i saw the major cuts that were made by this disaster was a two days later was in a week into that very mix and as a cruise i never went on private property i had respect for private property i never did but i went every place i could enter to public access including area by valley and preventing and the retention basin was a great idea but i went up by more qualified and walked up the retention beige it was to its max so i knew more water coming down would have just done more they put their lives on the line i was up there when the parks are inmates as well as a lot of the more trying their best just to prevent any more damage prevent anybody from getting hurt and yet i saw people entering the area without any any safety in their mine and going into the park and as well as into the river bed that's why i insisted that the police be there to prevent somebody from getting hurt because people can't use common sense and i'm seeing this right here in public and i do anybody to argue with me in this room because i've seen it firsthand it's too late when somebody is hurt too late when somebody is killed we did a great job are people preventing anybody and rescuing that he has other families i couldn't see any tourists or other visitors getting into that river and getting hurt mr wong doesn't need any more cases on his docket thank you so long i didn't mean to get your personal but you know as to cheer i've been there and done that you want to vote no on your conscious that's fine this is not what this is about today and we will put the cohesive effort to get it to make sure that this plan next year for the future that's what part of my might hold in my p i a committee will be is to make sure that the public  action and we need and we can follow but you don't have it happen it's really hard to plan only after it happens to we know the idea and what we need to be done what needs to be done is that your soul again i vote i support this because this is action that was taken to mitigate and save lives and protect property along that river it's not for any one company is not for one individual and we have tried our best by putting in what you call  so much to cheer i like you will not i support this effort in this area if we need more than just all come on michael me all the appropriate committees can come up with it but we need to make sure that these people don't have to second guess what they need to do because they have done because they don't have enough money to get it done now again i've said many times emergencies are not nine to five monday to friday they come when the you seen in this one it came related night when there wasn't anybody on duty and everybody including mr durrant kept indoors who came out there at the same risk is life saving neighbors so i would see with all that being said was the chair i hope my members realize that that based off of the of the comments that were on the floor i asked and made it the count so i did make the count i can see who is for and against based off with the off of the comments and what i'm saying is that not to take anything away from what well what has been done i think the county has and the workers have done a great job but to vote unanimously means per picture perfect one hundred percent accuracy and what we heard today from our community is it wasn't one hundred percent so i am voting in the minority so that their voices can be heard as well so it's nothing against helping the residents there or or not finding the work that we've already accomplished but there are people out there in our community that also need to have a voice and i know that we have by based off of my count you have enough to pass this forward so thank you basically by seen what you're saying you're accepting the fact that none of us care about the concerns were brought up that's not what i meant to say ok you're putting words in my mouth that's not evil that is not what  that's that's your out so that you can vote the way you want to don't don't put this on me ok i would say difficult situations bring intense emotions from a lot of different components of our community  i'm happy to know that the greater community responded in a positive manner but there is still and i'll say on the forty what concerns me is that element that try to take advantage of the situation and i'm talking about those and i appreciate mr victor in a brain police involved because even during any burgeon see if and when we knew our own fellow neighbors were in peril there was an element that was out there that is totally unacceptable there are those again trying to take advantage of a bad situation or bring in their opal outside of their region into that area because of their irresponsibility and their lack of what i would call well i can't see it on the  but there's still that element of this peaceful as it is i would hope they would look at this as why there are specific concerns of that area  if we were born here we understand culture i can tell you this when it comes to a night you better be a mime be part of the night because i would have a hard time taking comment from outside of interesting i see a theme we need to support this for the greater good we need to act as one family in response to a very bad situation and find ways to split us up and make us into it be a place of group out and taking the actions they did they wouldn't have they wouldn't have this opportunity and you know the emergency occurred on the thirteenth we're now in october and so as not to take away what's been done the work of people has been helped in all of that so yeah the reimbursement factor you know needs to be but for me my my stand is the questions that people had all throughout since that night this crisis had occurred they were getting answers so it continued and it grew and it festered and it came to this boil to his head that we see here today and what's occurred and so you know i'm going to stand by that and just going to be that voice that you know the have the right to be heard and the right to be recognized along with the rest of our community and the people who live on the stream and what have you but  so that's my stance for taking you know the point i'm i am and it's just the principle of it i and i my office has submitted a photo copy of the landfill from where d m mentioned today this is a photo taken today which sorry yesterday shows a whole lot more gravel piles way bigger than the photos that was dispersed a few minutes ago so i just want to show the work is continuing the question and what have you so i just want to make that point again why i cannot just for the principle for this stand on this vote totally agree with your comments that this this would not have happened had the community not brought it up and i think it was a very healthy bunch of testimony we got it was hard felt and  i think everyone is taking it very instructively including all nine members of the council so i appreciate that mr coach thank you mr chair and i got to say you know i'm i'm just on the border of being insulted just on the border being insulted every one of us in here heard what the community had to say we're asking for the proper procedures be done we're asking for people to be up here and talk about what's going on or asking what the community asked for to say that we aren't given the community a voice i think is insulting yes i'm now off the edge of being insulted i'm insulted that we are not hearing the community voice we sure as hell are and that's why we are you know the next five point three million dollars there better be a lot of experts up here there better be a lot of explanations and a lot of good explanations because we listened just saying no doesn't mean we didn't listen so thank you mr cook in situ there's no further business before the council thank you very much thank you for a very spirited discussion and thank you to the department for being here and to provide some of the best explanations and thank you especially for all the hard