today let's talk about the future of television and here in the home the blair i have a long term future or streaming are you taking over any physical media well that's a two part question  i would say this it depends on your definition of long term because any technology and technology long term is can be a very very short period i think we tend to forget that you know facebook's only been out in up they're making money every time a blu ray goes out the door they're making money i mean licensing fees alone are for huge for sony and it's interesting that the other player in the blu rays d c d v d thought she was kind of fallen off the face of the earth  und so he doesn't have the power it used to have in the field but it's still a giant corporation and has a lot invested in it i think to that nothing yet  very very little content beyond blu ray isn't a p m it is it's very few times you see streaming stuff that high quality and i think thirdly there's still you know you and i are still in that generation you know we still get twenty years of strong buying power left and there's a lot of people in that thirty five or sixty five generation that that just like to purchase and own about i used to buy c d s like crazy and i and now that everything is download i don't i've actually shifted my focus now i buy a lot more movies i sometimes wonder if it's because that and it sounds very corny but that joy of buying a cd sitting down taking the time to open the thing up put it in the player you know going through look at the pictures read the lyrics reading liner notes that there was something about that becoming now part of the collection of what i have now you go and you click download and suddenly it's it's ten songs out of ten thousand that i have i don't you know i don't go through ok enough with the rotation i there's not that that feeling that suddenly this is something i own i guess and i and i think that there are there's still a generation of people now coming through people don't have that attachment like they do before and actually their cars talking yesterday because it's all about features and so now the quality of stuff has his tail off tremendously which i guess kind of goes against part of my argument that i think quality still has some buy the ones that offer the digital download with it that way but this is going to need be now i have it on my computer the way it goes though is the digital the digital download is the nice thing about that again have i think guys you are both wrong and i mean i mean the most polite sense of we're holding on to this medium that is going to be dead in a few years and i don't mean movie saludos amigos i am not going to buy that flying pile of dung on a d v d or a blu ray or anything else because my interest in viewing it again is minimal if any but while that format will still exist we're going to have blu rays we're going to have d v d s and frankly i think the re longevity is greater because the format is identical i can take my three d blu ray player and pop in a d v d that i bought ten fifteen years ago and still use it that's the best thing about it but that interest that you had an opening up the cd and looking at it was the same interest people had in nineteen seventy nine of the lp format and that is a gorgeous piece of art something that has gone away and i'm sure people twenty years my senior had that kind of excitement and thrill doing that and while i agree we are have at twenty years of buying power our buying force is the minimum and the measurement of the reason the reason we don't buy do c d s anymore is our interest in music now is minimal i mean we still can i mean but i think about when that for it now with that that that interest of content is going to survive because i can't tell you how many versions of multiple copies of spider man i have and whatever else because this place that exclusive content this place  exclusive content that's not going away but kids today there aren't spending their money on c d s they're not spending their money on blu rays or d v d s because that content is available to them digitally and while i understand we're not using all the features and sadness of it it will be there with the next version of whatever with the next generation of kids i mean think about how our peers or our contemporaries don't have the smartphones and access to technology like the tenth graders do if i didn't miss a swath across my third period class they have that technology that myself and my peers don't so when i think you bring up a point that that actually bothers me about not specifically what you are saying but trying to bring the idea of music and i see so many people people often don't understand that there's a that t v viewing and new movie audio arms are audio and music listening and t v and movie are on different ends of the spectrum maybe not completely on separate ends music has always been something about taking it with you i mean ever since the first car radio or transistor radio were out there you know it's been forty fifty years since people sat around an audio device as a family and listened to  radio so i understand exactly why i tunes was able to come in and you know the industry was was ripe and ready piracy was was at least thought to be rampant whether it was rampant or not but people were willing to sacrifice the quality of music they were willing to sacrifice all these things reporting cassette tape lasted for how long probably one of the worst moments of audio ever that was created but people wanted to be able to take it with them the difference with t v viewing is and this will get eventually into the streaming aspect that we'll talk about but people sit together and watch television they sit together and watch movies you know music is a very personal one on one thing you know you you can put ear buds and you don't typically you know you don't sit with your wife and kids you didn't say i don't let's listen to the song also from this whole album you know sit down and listen to this where as you would do that with a t v show ok already come around you know we're go watch you know people make fools of themselves trying to sing the can't sing or whatever you know or you're talking last show about about the super bowl you know there's there is a community as well i will agree it's absolute is a but there's a community aspect to television viewing to to movie viewing that music doesn't have and so i think that we still yes streaming and again i'm jumping ahead to that but you know we can include however this streaming has a definite place and will will erode away but i don't see it being quite as fast because while it's nice to be able to take a show with you or a movie with you still i think for the majority of people they sit around something a television set whether that's  or whatever but there's a there's a community aspect to sitting down and watching something and i think that because of that because the t v or whatever still going to continue to be the center of entertainment viewing in the home for at least a extended period of time that quality still matters people are buying fifty sixty seventy eighty inch television sets and if if you don't utilize the quality of the blu ray format or something like cable for thirty years and we have a choice in satellite we have broadband everywhere but a majority of the country still is on dial up or d s l and that's the maximum amount of of internet usage that they can get there's no way you're watching netflix there's no way that you're going to be tuning into television shows and tell more of the country gets broadband and i think that that's i think some people will tend to overlook th and say well it just makes sense oh well yeah portability of it is is great and take my show anywhere i want to go i can to call stuff up i think that that aspect will be an accessory yes it's going to chip away away and eventually and that's why i think blue is going to be around i wouldn't be surprised for ten years easily having a relatively strong foothold in in home viewing because it is oh and less of course something comes  future and this is going to happen who knows what the stream of quality is going to like who knows what i like file storage and like all those kind of things if we have a digital coffee that i can view all these different locations and i don't see how that wouldn't happen any time soon i think digital copies self would replace the need for the streaming whereas if that was our quality issue all right if we wanted anything gratification we can do streaming unless you know x one years down the road that's you know that's negligent as far as how you know how long it's going to take the digital copies self is just as portable will be just as portable as the physical copy we as far as soon as we're everything set up soon the average consumer doesn't sort until i buy the television does that automatically for me it's me we keep talking about like we talk about in the show with a smart television idea those kind of things that's exactly what it is i believe that television is gearing itself for that shift read you don't need anything to connect to my television it's automatically new for me as long as they have an internet connection now i can connect on those things i can take my entire library of blu rays that are digital form right there with me now it's in the other room or now i have it set up so that any room in the house can have it i think it just with any had technology has said there's a definite deadline for everything this is as far as we can see in the future because we don't know what the next things are coming that this is where it's going to go and whether the average user once or two right now i definitely believe we're it's not necessarily up to the consumer at this point which is going it costs companies fractions of the cost to put out a digital download just that link available whether i consume enough no that's fine but it's cheaper for them to do that why not slowly starts eliminate one of the other processes slowly force you to do that way well i think all the time about how ten years ago my amount of storage on my computer was i mean i can remember in the again late ninety's the computer i bought having eighteen gigs of memory sixteen gigs of memory or eight gigs of memory and thinking there's no way i'm ever going to fill that up and now blu ray contains you know ten times the amount of data on that one portable unit and ten years from now where that's going to be i mean my in the visioning process of all this is that cloud storage be it i cloud or whatever is going to get so immense that i'll be able to capture all of my data d v d blu ray whatever onto a cloud like device and i'll be able to access that from anywhere i mean first i pods are coming out we're talking about what five hundred songs on them and now google is offering me free twenty thousand songs storage and that's seven years later six years later i mean forty fold increase at zero cost and that is that exponential growth that we're going to see that free data storage how much is that what eighty gigs i'm spitball in here somewhere right depends on the quality and the amount but spitball in here let's say eighty or one hundred gigs that they're offering me for free where my first portable device had like five hundred  and while yeah i agree a lot of that isn't available everywhere that's a common mean the wireless network of vail ability conic tittie outside of a few real problematic areas i know everyone talks about new york city being just insane to get access on their i corps i don't live there but that will catch up i mean i keep coming back to this kid telling me twelve years ago saying you know they're coming to a point where they can't store anymore data on something they're coming to a point where they're getting to a limit on it and me laughing at them thinking there will be more until we get to a molecular level where we're literally unable to go any further about manipulating quarks and electrons there will be space to keep storing more and more data so i can't like mater so i think we can't judge the future based on our limits today well  right but but i think that there because of the limitations that it creates a market and one thing we didn't even talk about and this is kind of the untapped thing of blue right too is that only discussing it in a in a home environment in the movie viewing environment but the fact is you and nobody's done enough tests on blu rays to say you know how reliable is the format no the engineer backup stuff has become so important now every computer security person out there tells you i should back up locally you should back up on the cloud you should have an off site backup of everything that you do and and it's been interesting because nobody is pushing blu ray on the computer nobody is pushing that you know blu ray dasha are recording to say hey i got twenty five gigs or fifty gigs you do layer of storage that i can then then keep of my computer files and i'm curious and it's interesting because again you know sony is the is what's going to make or break this and what they decide to do if they decide to continue to invest money in this format they decide to continue to push it but if you're talking about taking an existing collection and putting in the cloud but the so the question then becomes too is blu ray going going to be the way that you purchase that because you know time a digital copy but really that disc is not going to i mean eventually not be a necessity you'll be able to just click a button and watch anything i mean i imagine that google music kind of model that you'll be able to watch anything you own anywhere at any time is here very close if not you know already here but the question becomes how is it getting to you how is it coming into the into your home cares if i i mean it's the data already exists my my you know two thousand and twelve and vision of this is i pay a company fifteen dollars or twenty dollars and they give me eternal access to a permanent file they have who cares i mean if i'm streaming it through the internet or why five or whatever it doesn't matter as long as that capability sort of exists now if i'm in you know dialing up america online and i doing that probably not we're talking about a month to look at something but i mean that way that data isn't repeated thousands of times i'm thinking my twenty thousand songs or whatever how many times is that exact data replicated on how many servers everywhere that i can access what stupidity that is i mean consolidate that down and just open up access to all of those areas then that data cost is nothing i mean once that's held somewhere at some sony manufacturer i pay ten bucks let's say and i have turn all access to watch that then i don't need a backup or storage or return plan because i've already purchased that as long as i have my password who cares about the back of it i don't need it well i think i was talking more of the stuff that you generate yourself i mean my own content well movies photos documents that you you create that i hold that at my place or whatever but but and you bring up a good and a very good point that you know i was talking about  know i'm stressing kind of the the lack of technology that exists in some parts of the country but i mean we look at the new i pad and the rise in offering to make that hotspot you know an essence you now will be able to the days of the cable companies and the phone companies offering your internet services is going to come to a close quickly and so i guess as dan i was thinking the really even though i think that's a problem is not to be a problem for very long because as as people start to use their phones and other devices in order to get access to their internet and to the and to their content then it's not going to matter i mean you're going to have broadband little phone is going to be your can activity from you wherever you are to the internet to your content and that's that i see is is more of the breaking force of of what's going to happen to the blu ray than necessarily the fact that it streaming the fact that the people because you know right now if you've bought a p s three or you bought a blu ray player those th figure the movie industry wants to find a way to maximize and yeah you'll make costs by by doing that but you can charge a lot more too for the blu ray you know people probably aren't willing to pay  price you know or pay twenty bucks thirty bucks for digital download one movie a minute that's and that gets into it and i think they absolutely are they want right now for music we could have a paying more for music nationally than they are for cd i mean that's still stunned me that i can go on amazon and the cost of a cd as a lot worse than the cost of a digital download because of its convenience and instantaneous nature i think that's going to happen i don't think can't it can't not happen will you jump on as much will i jump on as much now but my mother in law is not jumping on d v d s as much as we did right sure you get is when you're comparing the two you also have to think the blueridge as r form is a digital file it's just the way of containing the digital file with with the download version of it you're theoretically making it easier for me to get the digital for this one and i'm limited to the access of actually receiving the hard copy actually having a hard copy of what is give me the day this is just opening up the digital way just opening up a whole different venue ways that i can get it and i think i think that's what it comes down to i actually think yeah we'll get to the point where the blu r copy will be perhaps a little bit less of later and we're getting rid of it when torii or whether we just make it that way you have to drive out and come into our store to get that that means you're coming out to different place you're looking at other things that kind of thing there's different ways they can break that kind of deal but i also do think people would pay more for the digital download just so they don't have to leave it's the immediate thing maybe they're saying help instead of going out to run a movie i'm thinking i want to watch a movie you have video on demand you to pay so much more for that rent than would be because you look at at a netflix you know is our music and movies are we were talking about owning them but is it going to become just a matter of subscriptions you know you're going to happen a box a month and you can watch anything you  want you pay you know and and right now music's kind of battling that out you know i tunes and amazon very successful in selling your stuff but you know there are a lot of people are using pandora using music streaming now that's not the most i have control over exactly what they're doing but you know that's there are services out there that are doing that and that i mean so i'm curious if word were to hitting on the wrong top or a couple companies that tried attempts at that right like fifteen twenty dollars on limited access to whatever and they didn't do as well if i'm remembering correctly that i didn't napster had that kind of subscription service and they sort of i think they feel that namesake was gone but i think towards the tail end they did have sort of a subscription service or whatever you want but i think that's that's definitely the way that it seems to be going and it seems like that would be the smart way for me to meet rationalize it because our you're guaranteed to get this much money off me every month from may not be buying thirty dollars movies naturally but the same time very the ones that are very has and hasn't and allowing that to happen and they're the ones that actually make that decision for it to happen so i think that can be something with that could happen but that's that's very far down there's a lot of cloudiness and then that's that's that's a bet that they're not necessarily willing to take just yet short answer time for a monthly rate ten years l c m between five to ten but not because of movies or television i think i'm the same way with total life of about ten