panel he was unable to be here just morning but he will be fully participating member of the panel he will be listening to the oral arguments so that we have an audio tape recording of this morning and he will participate in any rate decision that is issued later so to the streets between lawyers on referral contracts the commission is to determine whether or not the field work is sheer when there's been a determination and they have see the work that was perform claim that has taken place before them correct well i don't think that they need to see the world i think they will represent the claimant and in this case it was your client who  wrong and there is no evidence to perform the work before the commission i don't know that evidence of performance of work would go to the issues seemingly should be are you familiar with the case on this point were some lawyer who had nothing to do with the prefer appearance before the commission however in order to provide services in connection with the award of compensation you don't have to file an appearance before the commission and that extends to other need less than ten thousand dollars in this case just to put it up her and on what we're talking about here their argument this is a breach of contract claim has nothing to do with the work that was done it's a it's a simple breach of contract if nothing to do with anything before the commission it's just like a p r case it's a referral guided by the provisions of this section now that one of those provisions is that all encompassing language of any and all feed disputes are heard by the commission well then section j which is way down there has to be read in conjunction i'm not a worker's compensation attorney but there we can guess that there are there is case law about the title minimum worker's compensation turning to fees brought under claims under the act judge food the trial judge he heard the meter of the relationship between the respective firms there are spector sponsibility these are the contracts and he concluded that section sixteen did not apply then should the court should apply these discretion discretion to his judgment that i heard all the facts how is this court to determine if this was a claim was on or the workman's compensation act you can't do that in a vacuum you have to have a trial judge hear testimony which he did from mobile years regarding the nature of this representation and the trial judge can do the losing that this was not the situation when this was not a claim brought out of the ethics which is the only circumstance which gives the commission exclusive jurisdiction to hear attorneys if i may also point out that the main reason in my estimation why the legislature provided for that alexis exclusivity jurisdiction is because of what so that's why the the legislature said look we're going to have only the commission to turn on them and make sure that total fees whether by former attorneys if you ten different terms that were fired are going to be are going to total no more than twenty five percent and that is by the statute there is no such limitation regarding reform if you look at the administrative rule that implements the statute sixty eight there is its sign a referral fee speeds it only refers to it only addresses disputes between petitioner is it turning or former attorney