so just just some thoughts to share with you and i appreciate by the way i think we all appreciate have support of the selectmen in town leadership have been on this issue regarding the protection of children so question first whether you can comment now or not is there of vailable update on the formation of a working group that's been talked about to create a town child protection policy has the group been formed with the goal of creating a policy to protect kids and provide training to all persons whoever sponsibility for children or contact with the children to prevent or recognize signs of child abuse sheehan who is willing to serve might be able to provide helpful insight to that group and but also show that town leadership is open to working with us secondly i thought we have scattered groups all working toward a common on this would like to bring them together thirdly a suggestion that we cast the widest possible net to train the community itself to stamp out child abuse in foxborough and statistic is at an r v exact number but our population i was about eighteen thousand people one in four were girls statistically and one in five boys have been molested people under the age of eighteen or twenty six point five percent of the population in foxborough that would mean that right now if we're in line with statistics there are six hundred girls foxborough who have been molested and around four hundred sixty both ways right now as we speak so that's why a wide net approach is important school personnel in public and charter schools volunteers in churches town employees preschools nursery schools leagues recreation coaches for all youth sports boy scouts girl scouts lion's club rotary jaycee's masons we would love to see parents of kids transferring into the school in foxborough who are registering their children to begin schooling in foxborough it kindergarten orientation go through the training because if we can get parents away there and not naive in protecting their own children that's a huge step forward  forth we don't want to see this effort die out as bill sheehan fades from the newspapers in the headlines and memory we'd like to see some type of entity created to create accountability in the future so we never let our guard down perhaps the child safety committee be formed a three or four person board maybe the town h r person who i know you could comment that is working on this some volunteers who are passionate on the subject it's just a follow up of the various entities to make sure they are continuing training they are keeping up with policies within their organization the recreation or the church is their whoever light was developed to childproof child sexual abuse prevention training it's called stewards of children i think a couple members of the board have been through the training and in we have in the last eighteen months and you know we started prior to the the unfortunate incident that bill is referred to a couple of times but during that time and since that time we worked with a lot of groups i've worked very closely with the very with the absolutely the superintendent of schools in fact just the last week of august children and it's you know it's a way to such occasion doctors feel like not believe the child sexual abuse can be prevented through community based prevention we've got an opportunity about a year ago to have two sessions where a lot of t ourselves as a convener to try to help bring people together which is why i had been working with folks like reverend dudley and other folks in town and just want to present ourselves to to your board is just as a as a resource i think going forward if there were some training that was going to happen in town there's already been a lot of folks in the town of fox where that's going through the stewards of children training it's just been updated the original training was developed in two thousand and four really this month they kind of came up with the stewards of children two point zero it's it's even better than the original trade it's been streamlined a little bit it's now a two hour training a sort of a two and a half hour training and if interested i brought some information about the training i could leave with with each member of the board of selectmen so you could learn a little bit more about about what it is what the curriculum is based on and that's it just again to come here with my friend ellen just to offer to be there to be a resource to do whatever we from the town's affections department and also bill you hear the prime minister for building committee were interviewed for a cable access television related to the town hall renovation project so we just wanted to let everybody out in the public know that that would be hopefully broadcasting soon and it will hopefully give you some information will help us the town meeting is coming up november fourth for people who will be asking people to vote wives who would like to dedicate the common bandstand to the music loving family of whole and holy mary doing the christmas counting on the common for something like twenty five years from one nine hundred seventy two to the mid one nine hundred ninety s their son harry would just mention a recently passed away and a bunch of us and we're talking about trying to do something for more why's that because he was the one who built it up and and the family it was so dedicated to music we thought rather than just to do it for harry that we would do it for the whole family if possible but now there's a plaque on the door of the bandstand saying that it was the jaycees gave it to the town in one nine hundred seventy two it's all i mention of their son harry who designed it builds it and seventy two and at that time it was the jaycees gave it to the town of foxborough prior to coming here i did talk to harry's wife rachel who obviously was happy about it i talked to harry's brother peter listen listen town i got in touch with the fox what jaycee's my wife and i mary who's behind me who's a former president of the g c wives we met with the j c s one of their meetings and they gave us their support and mentioned they would come to the meeting today i believe monica i have no problem matter of fact i like to see this happen  and he said two things one mr martin did a fantastic job putting the description together in the packet that you submitted so you wanted to thank you for that and the second thing he said is to summarize it very few families that have done so much a while ago when plainville was entertaining the previous applicant for a slot parlor over in plainville meeting was well attended in that he gave us an insight into the regulations in the process time went by and now there's a new applicant in  it's a little bit of an expedited schedule so we put this on the agenda for about a half an hour and i thought it would be good for the board to aspecific questions to the mass gaming commission following that i know we have some correspondence on our packet from residents of plainville reaching out to us we've got our race you know committee chairman of the committee that we appointed to kind of study the impact if we saw fit to be  impacted community a budding community so some spend some time there but if mrs e and could answer our questions first and kind of give us some insight if there's any updates on the on the regulations in the steps between now in their final decision i think it would help the town there was a just to kind of preface a little bit kind of plainville put on their town warrant they had a special town meeting in they approved a second applicant for the plain ridge racetrack and slot machine development the public was asked for comment before that transfer happened and i submitted on behalf of the board back to the gam commission or physically it just was not possible for us to comment back to the commission with any of our comments or concerns because of the time we're a public board we have to have forty eight hours notice put it on the docket and then collectively send something back so our response to the gaming commission at that time was physically we would like to comment but because of the expedited schedule on the transfer it's impossible for them to hear our comments so  board probably makes more sense if as an admin it's kind of a term that probably most many people don't understand if you could just introduce yourself what your role is and then maybe we could ask questions and then follow have more public discussion ombudsman i have multiple multiple role with different constituencies i'm a primary point of contact for for communities as they have questions regarding the commissions process season and regulations also point of contact with the applicants as they find aft as they have to navigate their way through state agencies and as they have commissioned questions of the commission as well and any of our regulations and standards so this develops i have a i have a  powerpoint i won't go into depth on the powerpoint it's but it's something that you can review after the state and what i thought i would do is i would hit some of the salient points now that we are nearing the application deadline of things that that the town would  it would be wise for the town to think about over the next couple days and over the next few weeks ok very good point is located on our on our website on our about surrounding communities page on the right hand corner of that page there is a powerpoint presentation that gets into a little bit of detail regarding our licensing process  and that is sort of meant as a good summary document because there is just a tremendous amount of material for people to observe absorb and communities to absorb so i won't go through all of this but what i will point out are some of the other more important things as is the slots applicants that we are we now have three slots at once across the globe while on the second page of the presentation these are some of the criteria and calls of the legislation when it was created i went into a little bit of this the last time i appeared so i'll skip ahead the application process as i discussed at the last time i was making a presentation that it's a two fold process and the first ball process is the is the suitability phase and we make a determination whether or not each one of these applicants is suitable obviously in in the case down here there was one of the applicants that was deemed unsuitable by the commission and it was not allowed to move move forward of the original applicants there was so once a an applicant is deemed suitable and assuming that it is past its host community referendum it can apply to the second phase of our licensing process then that is all of the details of  facility that second phase the licensing process that application deadline is on october fourth after our october fourth deadline there is a statutory public hearing which includes  representatives from the host community and representatives from surrounding communities at that stage to a statutory public hearing where the commission will ask a number of questions of both applicants and surrounding communities and host communities as it evaluates each each of the responses that are before it prior to that statutory public hearing the commission plans to have a another input hearing in astronomy community for each one of the applicants and each one of the category one applicants and what that hearing will be designed to do is to solicit the input from those communities on impacts and other concerns of those communities and their members at the end of the hearing process at the end of the review process the kissin excuse me the commission makes its determination on which license to award can i just interrupt the october fourth is the application is there a date set for that hearing that those hearing dates have not been established yet the commission is having a meeting on thursday or is likely that we will talk about the process over the next few weeks and months and so it might become a little bit more well known what the anticipated dates will be immediately after the october fourth application deadline that the next phase is on october seventh each one of the applicants will make up ninety minute presentation to the mission about the highlights of their of their application what they want the commission to take a look at on a going forward basis and that is not meant as the full statutory hearing where the commission asks now very in depth questions but merely those would be questions that relate primarily to the presentation that the applicant just made but they will highlight significant aspects of their application it is into spaded the timetable  or wards could be completed as early as december but depending on how surrounding community discussions go they they could be late january or possibly even february you'll see that in that in that schedule on page being one of the primary five and mitigation is not only a mitigation of lottery and mitigation of of problem gaming traffic problems but problems within the host and surrounding communities and i think that  the commission's focus on mitigation as one of its primary criteria reflects the nature of the gaming act and how much attention the legislature put into the issues of impacts of host and surrounding communities building in site design economic development finance in the end there is a general overview section that is one of the principal criteria that is what makes it a unique destination how does it solve a problem in a unique way  how to how do we reinforce the positive impacts on the commonwealth so they there are a tremendous amount of detail that will be in these applications there are a number of required studies i point that  to your attention and section six our application is available online it's a two hundred thirty six page application and i've highlighted here many of the sections that relate to host and surrounding communities such as housing impacts traffic control measures impacts and cost infrastructure costs plans for management of sore water storm water excuse me analysis of water and sewer facilities traffic mitigation adequacy of traffic infrastructure and the like so what's these applications are available there will be a tremendous amount of information that is available to the general public and to both the host community and surrounding communities this slide on page  reference is the public hearing that i just mention on page nine so this is where we get we start getting into what is the what is the latest and what is happening now before the commission on page nine this goes into some detail of how one can be  considered to be a surrounding community there are three primary ways and how a community can be a surrounding community and this is a little bit of a you know further review of testimony that i've given before but in an application can determine a surrounding community in its application it can label that community as a surrounding community in its application even in the absence of an agreement it can include the agreement any agreements that it reaches with surrounding communities and if it reaches an agreement with the surrounding community then that community is surround a community for that for our purposes and purposes of the statute and then the final way that a community can become a surrounding community is by making a petition to the commission within ten days of the application date  i highlight in yellow on this page this ten days is because on the commission's agenda for thursday is a discussion item about the about that date and whether or not it should be extended how that was a big concern to the commission for for for the purposes of our process for the purposes of surrounding communities so at that meaning the mission asked me and our general counsel to come back with some further ideas about what we can do regarding the process the october fourth deadline the application date stayed as a as a deadline but what the commission said was that they asked the general council and myself to come back with further that since the national has just come into the picture and we've been dealing with them over the last couple weeks and we just know way with you know the open meeting requirements and we was like we can't sit with you more than  less than a majority of the members and have a full discussion so we've been not been able to come up with the in agreement we have around some ideas they don't plan to designate any of the surrounding communities as surrounding communities but that's the information that i've gotten from the applicant themselves and so i suspect we're all going to have to file a petition  so should we not count on the fact that it's going to be extended within the next few days file a petition to the commission and is that just a letter requesting or you know is or a formal petition  what's the best way to do that so cirrhotic committee petitions are filed after the application is received so they would be filed after october fourth ok commission and regarding the form if you take a look at two or five c m r one twenty five zero one to that describes what should be included in the petition and basically our definition goes into some depth about the type of impacts that a community  would it would experience or could experience and communities can make a case regarding the impacts and their geographic proximity to know both the host community and the specific gaming facility and that's what would be in that in that petition but part of the discussion on thursday will be given the context that a number of different communities and applicants are in the midst of discussions do we do the does it should the can commission discuss ways to make it easier for that conversation to go on further beyond that ten days and whether or not that that date is extended will be part of that conversation so it could be  depending on what the commission decides on thursday will make it well known to the communities about what happens with that day but into the realisation that some of these conversations may continue that's going to be part of the discussion i will know that  if a if in applicant were to designate a community as a surrounding community they were there would be no need for the agreement to be reached by october fourth so under our regulations community applicants can in their application state we designate this community as a surrounding community for whatever reason we have not been able to reach an agreement with that community we're going to continue on in our conversations with them and so after that designation then there still is a statutory thirty days worth of negotiations but even under that situation what a regulation say in that same section that i of those referencing was an applicant designates a community as the surrounding community in its application it sends a letter to the community saying you have been designated as a surrounding community then that community merely has to provide an assent to that designation to the commission and so the community has ten days to provide an assent to that designation so forth ten days t the community could submit its assent and then some time after that then the commission could formally designate a community as a surrounding community then beginning that the statutory thirty they've negotiation of it up to the time period so there is some flexibility and even with the surrounding community determinations in the community has that ten days under current regulations applicant has ten days to respond to that request for designation and then the commission shall decide after that period of twenty days and it is not determined how many days the commission has to make that determination so what the as i discussed at the meeting a couple of weeks well the commission said is there a way that we can find out how communities are doing it with their conversations with applicants so it can be known whether or not an agreement is is likely reachable whether or not a particular community may be a surrounding community or not a surrounding community and what is the status of that so there are a number of different days after that there's a lot of flexibility that's built into our regs and we're discussing other ways that we can have further flexibility thank you so sorry for that long w name communities surrounding communities upon petition we have only one we have only upon petition so after petition by others by the communities so as i was talking about so the petition which is now due ten days after the i don't know i don't know what conversations and normally are normally here to sort of predict what they will or will not do but what i can say is that if you community submitted surround a community petition  applicant can also assent to that petition without involving a fight before the commission if if the applicant a sense to that petition then they are designated by as a surround a community once it's formally recognized by the commission applicant was deemed unsuitable by the commission the reviews took place from the time of january fifteenth until the time that we made our eventual decision our reviews of all applicants are done by the investigations and enforcement bureau they have teams of state police xcept b i numerous consultants and so that that review took many many many months to complete that review web there's a one hundred plus page report the investigations into force and bureau report that was part of part of the consideration by the commission that is available on our website and at the end of that process the commission determined that that applicant would not be an option agreement and a host community agreement that was going to be assumed by penn national we received that requests within within a couple of days before the election and the commission because an election was forthcoming the commission determined that it would have a number of meetings in its patient of that election and the commission after a number of days of deliberations determined that it would allow for the assumption of that host community agreement the question is do you rules the established rules will this whole process begin allow for the assumption of an up looking to take over from the rubble yes but those yes maybe if for some clarification my understanding is that penn national had been looked at as a possible up in was a woman or a north  shore location the location fell apart but they had already been looked at as a suitable investor in that business so penn national it was one of the original applicants and the january fifteenth deadline and so our investigations into force and bureau had been reviewing their backgrounds along with all the rest of the applicants they were originally a springfield applicant and then they found their way to plan hearing so towns can determine who represents them on a community can determine who represents them at those at those hearings but we will have general input hearings as well so even outside of a general  in the statutory hearing is at the end of the process when you reference february that is more the licensing decision for our previous state and our current date has been the middle of december but based on some of the realities of surrounding community agreements and with the status of them it is not likely that that december agreement will be excuse me that december date will be reached but the statutory hearing will be much later in the process more towards the december dates or november december dates rather than within a short period after after october so you'd expect the citizen types of hearings would be earlier would be earlier  points in regard to the assumption of the host community greenman by penn national the host community greenman had been negotiated between our way which was playing ridge in the town of  to apply but in the in the gaming act and quoting the gaming act it says that the applicant must sign the host community greenman sixty days prior to the holding of a voter referendum well that would have been fine if our way it had been the host mean agreement negotiated our way but the referendum was held after penn national had assumed the host community reman and to me that looks like you're not following your own rules you're changing horses midstream and and i believe that i believe the citizens of plainville had a very real concern about that because when you're dealing with an entity like plame and which had been in that community for ages everybody knew people and they when they did their community they would dealing with those people from playing bridge the people that they knew like all of a sudden you've got a new person coming in assuming this this agreement penn national league people don't penn national from from from adam so how can you how can you say that the host mean agreement is it is the same that would have been negotiated if they had known that penn national was the one that was actually applying the playing ridge so that particular matter that you were mentioning was a subject of two days worth of hearings before the commission there is an opportunity for comment by citizens i read into the record numerous comments that we received from plain ville residents foxborough residents and others about that very matter and the commission made the decision that the assumption of the host community grammont was within the context of the gaming act  so if you if you like we can point you to the sections of the of the hours of testimony that are available on a website any q nobody can take a look at it just see just to get back to that point that's that's the issue that i brought up earlier they had asked for our input and it was physically impossible for us as the board representing the town of foxborough to give you any input because it was within a few days notice for us to set up a meeting you need forty eight hours to get a hold it we expected that to happen and we can't comment on it and that's what we have on the record to mass gaming commission and reason we have rules and regulations is that everybody's on the same playing field everybody knows what's going to happen and you just made you just change that you just change the rules and if you do it this time how does anybody have faith that the gambling commission is not going to change the rules on something else down the road well that's a big concern because when the legislation was passed people were really really concerned that it would be transparent that people knew what they were going to get and if they didn't want a casino i receive no in the area they could say no if they did wanted they could under when we were reviewing that application and that requests for the transfer the host community agreement as there was an election that was going to be forthcoming in in the town of plainville but in regard to transparency i would recommend if you have further questions about this to take a look citizens were widely deliberated by by the commission before they made that determination that what occurred was within the context of the gaming act and our rules was the hearing done in boston or in plano it was done in boston but we broadcast every one of our hearings via the web so if anybody wants to watch any of our proceedings they can just go online thursdays hearing if you want to take a look at it it will be broadcast on the web as well just go to mass gaming dot com so if anybody  wants to take a look at that they should and i'm assuming it was done during the daytime when people work it was done during the daytime did you have many people from plainville attending we had i think i can't remember how many different comments that we had but we read them into the record of how many different comments we received on both sides of both sides of the issue very crude the whole thing becomes a game changer and we were w elaborate as best we can if you're prepping a play one team and all of sudden you're playing another team you can expect citizens private citizens to stop what they're doing trying to raise the kids get them to school  paul get in maybe we're on the agendas of the family with team which everybody has and even other people that work or don't work he just you don't just all the sunset ok you get two days to get here and that's where it's going to body we could not act legally in any fashion anyway another just the time restraints you put on everybody it's useful ridiculous soon you're saying now that you're thinking the commission is going to extend this whole hearing process so that this can be really really job rated with more concern or not so what i'm specifically saying just so i'm clear is that the commission on thursday will discuss potentially extending the surrounding community petition deadline to give applicants and communities to enter into further discussions regarding impacts war a lack of impacts and that discussion will take place on thursday at the commission organization that i've discussed you can take a look at the name you can take a look at the record i got as we doing the right thing i read into into the record numerous comments that were from foxborough citizens and other citizens about the process about about similar concerns but that the commission itself was yes office yes they did yes and i just have another question what's the definition ya definition of the surrounding community regulation but i commit you to just big so we can be entirely accurate i would take a look at the two off i've seen m r one twenty five or one section two b and that is the specific definition of the type of impacts but just in summary form on page eleven of the power point proximity to host community and approximate open natural gaming factors are factors in the determination a shared border is that is that part of the germination just because one is not does not have a shared border that does not mean that it cannot be designated as a surrounding community but a shared border is one of the one of the factors impacts on transportation infrastructure including but not limited to significant increase volume of trips on local streets changes the level of service intersections and impacts in state and federal roadways construction period impacts that use noise environmental impacts and construction vehicle impacts operation period impact such as public safety impacts regional water and store impacts and backs and retail entertainment services stablish rents and increase so she'll service needs so all of these factors and the regulation does not limit itself to the specific factors that could be evaluated by the commission if there ever impacts these are rather broad broad categories of impacts if there are other impacts that should be considered by the commission to making that determination it will do so but specifically regarding the shared border question of use one is a stronger community because it has a shared border with another community the legislature there were no numerous amendments that were before the legislature was considering the expanded gaming act and one of those was shared border would mean that a community is around a community the legislature rejected that similarly there were there are amendment community the legislature did reject that instead what it to terminal is that the commission could decide after the application is submitted to the commission based on impacts and based on the factors that i just reference oh i know i'm saying but basically they'd rather you didn't answer like if i asked you the question do you have you think that fox will be considered in would you elaborate on that would you direct me what i answer that question directly to you i cannot answer that question nor any of the commissioners can answer that question by statute the commission can only determine which communities are surrounding communities after petitions have been after me after applications that been filed before them based on evaluation of the impacts based on the geographic proximity based on proximity to the host facility so even if you were to ask the chairman himself or any one of the commissioners whether or not a community is a space is a surrounding community before the deadline we could not do so because it is not within their statutory authority is not within their statutory power to do so what's anticipated is that each of the applicants will hopefully make those determinations of which communities are impacted and that rise under the factors of having the impacts that they would be a surrounding community for the purposes of our of our regulation and if indeed a community does does not agree with that assessment that's why there is the process to appeal to the commission and that's why we have very significantly fleshed out the rights of surrounding communities to petition the commission and provide a more specificity regarding the type of things that the commission would utilize in making a determination of which which is the surrounding community so basically the board's workman or any citizen from any impact to our surrounding community of any region would have to hire counsel to pretty much represent them in front of the you know if there is no requirement that councils i mean anybody that goes into a game that's who would bring counsel i would think i don't think anybody want to go in there trying to play on lawyer i know i wouldn't so mark if i could i think that embers been very good and proved providing this information to us there's a process in place and he's providing us the information here on the petition process which is what i think we're going to have assistance and assistance in reaching an agreement there or there are a couple of ways identified there is a can our community disbursements program you know i can't remember if this is the context of some of the conversations the u n i've had in the past of some of these funds but so this community disbursements program whereby communities can agree with an applicant to have funds provided to the town for services to evaluate the impacts were for council to assist in a surrounding community agreement in our regulations also specify an ability of towns to petition the commission for what is called an involuntary disbursement so if an applicant does not wish to provide the assistance the technical assistance or the funds for counsel towns can also apply to the commission to basically require the applicant to provide that assistance then of disbursements regulation you know when this first came up we appointed a review committee racing a review committee and they comprised of volunteers just as this board is to do their best in pulling in reports some of the ones that plainville did the other ones i mean there is reports all over the place but so look at the impacts whether it be traffic or social impacts or gambling all that stuff with the understanding that these are well intentioned volunteers but they're not professionals  and we're doing the best we can in that market said kind of stopped and almost disbanded and now we pulled them back could you explain to us the process of your relationship with southeastern regional economic development district in the metropolitan area planning to allow assistance financially to a town not so much for the council the legal council but the planning tools that these guys need to do their job and i know some of the other applicants in the abutting communities that specifically asked for it were in the process of looking that up to help these this committee but what resources are available to us as a budding community even if we're not designate it's a pretty bold statement that there's no communities that they're saying isn't about impacted abutting community but if we're designated on the applicant as being such as not being impacted where do we get the resources to get the professional people to look at the studies in help our community come back to us on the second part of that question working to get the help you are free to determine which consultants you utilize for that part purpose on the first part of the question regarding circuit an c and what that program as we developed a program which would allow communities to utilize the services of regional planning agencies to do to do technical assistance funding and that program was voluntary on behalf of both applicants and voluntary on behalf of communities in volatile terra ness is is at the center of our review as and if the commission were directing applicants on how they had to provide technical assistance there would be certain questions about how fairly we are directing them to provide the assistance that said if even if an applicant chooses not to utilize a regional planning agency for regional technical assistance which is the program that we developed in a regional planning agency in the for the purposes of our regulations is no different from another consultant so ok so if we want to go through the  root or a private consultant who pays for that so if you could do in involuntary disbursements petition one could include in a regional planning agency as the agency that would be doing the reviews and you call that involuntary involuntary disbursements petition what you mean by involuntary is they're not the applicant is not volunteer i'm volunteering to providing disbursements so we write a letter to the mass gaming commission now so if you if you take a look at that regulation that involuntary disbursements regulation the way that you first have to ask the applicant whether or not they will provide you technical assistance when they if and when they refused to provide you technical assistance you can i'm giving some reforms or if they refuse to provide technical assistance funding you can petition the commission and note that you have a need for technical assistance funding and  that and that the applicant has refused to provide that technical assistance funding so then the involuntary disbursements what that means is that it's involuntary on behalf of the applicant if the commission determines based on the regulation that the factors exist then we can ask the applicant in require the applicant to pay for that technical assistance fund so in the real life when we have a contract and we have consultants they're not going to work in less there's a signature on the authorization yes so we have to go through this process even to get to the starting point so we can hire consultants to look at this process that's correct ok so this could be weeks days months it depends how quickly your understand the predicament that we're in i look at it as a the first step of the process ok when we were asked for comments and we said we couldn't give them because of the public process i understand plain bill's desire to have it and this isn't the table to argue the merits of whether it's good or bad for the community but the one thing that i hang my hat on and as a in my profession i pick up rules and regulations and i follow to a tee that's my job what plainville did in their past applicant because of their actions was deemed on qualified that was a self imposed hardship on the town to set that day to have that meeting and to have that vote by the town so they got their vote because of that self imposed hardship the rules change in my opinion in this is what i want to be clear on is it took our voice away we didn't get the sixty ninety days to comment back we were asked but we said physically we can't do it there's something called the open meeting law so our voice was completely silent in these proceedings leading up to it so now we're sitting in a situation saying ok we're going to bring back at the last minute a group of volunteers to try to tackle this there's no money available to get the money it's got to go through a process october fourth is the application to start it all off what do you do for a small town like this where it seems in our opinion that the rules are already changing and we're in we're in we're dealing with it so what i can say is that there are measures that you can take within the regulations what i did say is that the commission based on that that meeting a couple of weeks ago is going to ascertain what it's going to take as i mentioned earlier for communities and for applicants to reach surrounding community agreements if indeed they're going to be surrounding community agreements and if they're not how you make the determination that they're not so there are levers that i've just described and tools that i've just described that could be utilized to accomplish that mission but  heard tonight we understand that that there might be ongoing discussions with the town about what to do regarding a surrounding community agreement and potentially that could be factored into that process as well and why i mention that is because obviously w included in here are a measures that can be taken if indeed there are no or there is no agreement on how to move forward with the applicant if if if measures could be taken  concert with the applicant you don't have to resort to the protections that are included in our regulations thank you very so are you saying that they're actually  that has not come to our attention there are a number requirements in our regulations i think that we've been pretty forthcoming with a lot of information on our website we routinely send out information to  communities even within the last week we notify communities that they want to receive a copy of relevant information from the applicant on the day of their application all the to do is send an e mail to us and say you can receive that what we're going to try to do is we're going to try to make information available as quickly as possible after the application deadline so you have the ability to review their applications part of part of the discussion on thursday of extending that stronach committee petition deadline would be to make it a little bit easier for communities to take a look at what was included all the detail that i just provided about that two thousand two hundred thirty six page application is that's part of that's part of what we're talking about ok so that website but the specific thing that i just mentioned to you just because you asked me is there anything more that's why i wanted to mention it more but he said as i mentioned the discussion that we're going to have on thursday might make that just easier because what we're going to try to do is make provisions of the application as public as possible within a very short window that they are made available so on friday we get our applications received over receiving them from the applicants and hopefully by early part of next week the will be made  ying to think about this has there been any decision made about how alcohol service and all of the casinos and receive those will be handled or managed is that going to be standard  one a m like most towns or has there been any discussion about that but there is a phase three of our regulations which goes into the operations of the alcohol service and i do we're still in the process of working out all the details of the statute has very specific standards about operational regulations which are still being written floor they consider that a loss leader i asked them not specifically because i was a specific concern of mine that you know you know free drinks on the floor and who you know in the middle of february at three in the morning and no good comes from that but they said no that's  done where you have high density gaming for a number of game facilities compete against each other a couple next steps we're going to research how to obtain money from states that aside from for the social issues as you know this is the pot that can come putting them on the spot i mean the they've got a lot of work to do and we've asked him to come just kind of is as an update you know the stuff on hand national we're going to see that in the application on october fourth and they're going to have all the details of when the opening and closing and liquor and stuff so so maybe rather than have them present something that's not complete i think there's two new members or two applicants we you know get them in there get the applications to us and then go full force into the next step because it's i feel like i'm putting them on the spot because you're kind of in the middle of the process at the last minute correct sort of facetious but we could drive a truck up with the number of stories that shows you know the various impacts on you know the worst is bankruptcy child abuse special abuse what have you i think that's going to happen market basket and all the other developments that are going on there basically you're going to have an issue how do you how do you how do you shred out which one it which one it is going wrong i take water she seriously you know and there's sort of interesting debate in the rest of all i actually think it i actually think the rest of the world probably secondary tertiary color you got an e mail from one of my committee members who feels differently but like i said i know i think there will agree we should look at that and as far as the water issue it's a matter of how much you know you're you're going to this town is going to have an issue how much of that is playing ridge versus how much of that is of the development of sort the the colorful debate we're having and that's at home but yeah you you you have enough of those three i think the old ones like i said it's subject of some of the bait i personally think the secondary tertiary issues you know you have more proximate towns that are going to handle the police and fire because the way their agreements are reached thing you know play was going to go to those towns first  right infrastructure oddly enough i found it easier to actually get there by a four hundred five than drive in the back roads of my it's not the back roads more pleasant you know i don't think you have a huge impact on these things but you know it's  subject of some some of it in my from my community and as you've seen so is there anything like that you need from the selectmen to keep doing your work direction or i could use a really good bottle of scotch and that no no i mean i mean i mean the the the hell but you know you know the thing is is you know i mean it's for a consultant you know what we went through that process so we wrote a fairly extensive or paid and then you know kevin  and now they're back so i mean we could dust off the air of p p thing if you want to you really want to hire a consultant and it's late but you know the be perfectly honest like i say you know as far as social issues i could back a truck up showing the studies that you know we're going to have a problem yeah ok and i don't i don't really feel i don't really think you need to hire somebody from you know do you i like i said what i told you on the phone beforehand it's something we they don't consider any impact on fox broad and what they're telling you but they told me they don't see any kind of social impacts they don't see any road in tax and the property value and cracks  i know you'll get the social impacts but did you also did your committee also look at the process now that was did did did they read the bill did you did you know about the surrounding community committee has not looked at it and they're looking for direction i think that's a direction that we can give and we did all the due diligence on that on every application every possible bit of money that we could obtain from the commission from whoever was going to be running that building the racine oh and everything else in midstream it ended right we were they good they were denied the application information but i wasn't i wasn't aware that till tonight you know i mean like i report i would have expected a report from the committee saying ok if penn national doesn't doesn't  can just talk two minutes about one direction for me because i know i'm going to have to file a petition either through counseling myself you know i'm good with that i can look at the involuntary moneys again you know that is kind of late in the process but we can look at that but in the trying to negotiate an agreement with penn national even if we file the petition there's a thirty day window trying to negotiate what direction do you want me to go with it as a board because you and jim with their when you heard what they said it's not that they don't consider a ceasar on community they wouldn't be negotiating with us if they did they just don't have to in the raploch ation designate us as one they're not going to do that that makes it up to us to file a petition but they will not come up with any additional monies at this time right martin that's they don't believe that to be a huge concern i've talked to some of the area towns misrule is not really concerned with with much of the north that it was concerned about one fifty two and read them we're not sure where they are at this at this point but from from our tower perspective i need to record from you what what you want me to do with penn national going forward because we're not going to you know there's two weeks going to go by before we have an under discussion about this so if penn national is saying they don't anticipate including us or any other community hasn't impacted a budding community per the regulations it leaves in so october fourth they make their application it's not  state whether they've come to agreements or who they consider even though there's no agreement who they consider community that they have to work with if they're saying fox four is not one of them we don't have a choice other than to spend the money to spend the time  to apply directly to the state and to that process it seems to me that penn national can't have it both ways if either we are and they send us a draft agreement and we negotiate back and forth in good faith or not but they sent us the draft agreement i have it but at the same time the saying they're not going to consider us someone that we would they would have to come to an agreement with they're not going to designate us in the upper cation is my understanding that the only  go to the petition that doesn't but they can't have it both ways in the process used even if we if we are designated by the gaming commission then we have thirty days to negotiate agree with them so i think what i think what we heard from the won't be designated unless we submit a petition i asked them the questions and i don't think they don't so they do understand that but once we are we've got thirty day when you have got thirty eight still negotiate but if you were listening to mr he was indicating he's hoping that anyone that is working on an agreement continues to do that so that they don't have to make that determination we could come up with an agreement before they have to make that determination so you know the words are saying that at the once that determination is made by the committee we've got thirty days so you want to use this time now leading up to it and the thirty days to get a better right brain is it's not going to try to get an agreement thirty and we've already had a couple of weeks in were not very far because yeah you all haven't been able to discuss it i regulations so that they know what we have to do we just i stand there but now we've gone back to that point and you're not here to answer your question so we need to move on from that direct blob what we're doing we're not going back bob and i have talked about this and i know that there is debate within the that committee as to what the potential impacts of seriousness are of the realty of even some of them and i we talked about the idea of just having them present us with both sides of the argument for any of these issues so that we can review them working with come up with a prioritized list of what we would submit that that we think could be potential impacts to us as we apply through this petition office because i understand what pinochle saying that they're not going to do anything until they see what happens but i still think we have to take a position that we believe things are going to happen despite that position and based on the research i was at one of the presentations that talked about you know there's a ten mile radius of impact for him in increasing gambling problems and it trails and it's pretty high in a trails off over a period of ten years but that would have some tremendous social some tremendous impacts on our ability to support that type of need in the community tomorrow if it happened tomorrow because you were really behind the eightball when it comes to social work services in the town foxborough so you know i don't want to have a snotty li specifically those impacts that we believe and that this committee is debating i would like us to be able to consider what they're debating as opposed to hearing you know only a short snippet like we just heard and that's what you're saying  but they have every clear they are not going right now agree to put up any additional money they're already contributing funds per statute towards the problem gambling there's a fund set up by i think it where they say five million a year from all of the for the entire state the entire stage three of the three casinos in the race you know so so bob can i suggest this and i know you've got the draft and we haven't seen it yet but if the draft is indicative of what they said they were going to put in and what you said that basically build it now will study it in the future if that's the best that they can do you know this board's going to change we're all volunteers planning board nobody's going to follow it a year from now and then try to catch our tail chasing our tail trying to find something that's already built and either expanding or who knows what the gaming regulations are going to be in a year i'm looking five ten fifteen twenty years down the road this is the only establishment that's in our state if it ever gets built i think the agreement has to be cognisant that there is going to be impact because that's the reason that was sitting at this table giving input to what another town is doing is because the state says there will be impact because you know they were that you know the agreement will recognize that there may be some mitigation that has to come into play they're not willing to make that assessment now based on a facility that isn't even operational so they're just so we've got to build in some safeguards which i'm working with them to do one of the things that they will agree is if we can agree on what the assessment is a year from now that they will go into an arbitration process so i'm trying looking at ways to you know safeguard that so that would be the hook that they agree to do that and also you know they're not a big fan of the regional planning agencies in that but they would agree to do some other kind of assessment tool some other you know companies that we could look at and that if you know they would have to recently agree or if not we could go to a under the premise that it's after correct fact after it's built a time might one thing sure did you do you think that after october fourth that without the petition being reviewed that you might be able to begin to negotiate with them independently debates with other members of the committee the something to recognize playing ridge cannot start operation until all surrounding community agreements are finalized so you're you have the most leverage today you should not in any way accept well we'll talk to you when a year you have leverage now because they can't start so you need two and what so what will happen i would i believe is we will be called the surrounding community by the mass gaming commission or  bridge if they choose to and they will be and if we want to seek what is likely which what should be do this community playing bridge will not agree to that there is a procedure in the regulations that the mass gaming commission will then make a determination we do not have the right to veto it but if there is no agreement the mass gaming commission will select looking at a couple of this there's the couple next monday or tuesday monday monday and what i wanted to do was just talk about the last time we had discussed coming up with a potential a list of potential members of the screen community and also names of individuals to be considered for interview by mr classy so you know i have gotten a r feedback from a couple folks added a couple of names to this potential list this isn't as urgent right now i think to deal with as really looking at the  interview lists that we have here so i'll just run through some of the thoughts that i had been putting this together in and see if the board allowed to you know make any changes the assistant and then i listed the chiefs of public safety d p w h r director and then from the community i had different people   mr kobayashi a sense of what the elected leaders of the town are looking for in a town manager and also members of the community and part and certain you know some department head input also for starters and then i believe the way the process will work is when he's finished these interviews he could make a determination if he needs more input whether it be from the community or more department heads go to the next level and take it from there so any thoughts on this list or the way we're approaching it so for the purpose of that list is to give a flavor for the times all about us and it was said before everywhere you mind and not a specific person but then an entity for looking for what a community is looking for what's important to a community we've got you know handful of employees we've got a handful of past elected people who i don't see anyone from the clergy on here and i don't have anyone in mind ok but if you look at the you know there's three or four or five churches that probably have some very good insight if they want to participate in  all ok all right so lorraine as far as a list of so great for the on the screening committee yeah so we're going to come down we're going to rate these one through however they are ever many there think that's what you had in mind the rain of the search in the hands of the folks and we're we're the ones responsible for finding someone fits in with the town the person that you have on those boards you know how to protect your feeling you know what you want if you have somebody that you're going to  know when i look at the list of names that have come together here i feel confident that they would be able to you know my opinion on that and the question to have selectman sitting in on that when you have them in one or two selectman i think it does more harm than good because it can interfere it can it can sway the other members and then i've been at the people who are going to be dealing with the town and you know you've got to have faith in the person you're pointing to this to bring your goods you you want to the table to bring him back  if we get a group of candidates a completely misses the mark one option open to us is to go back and try it again absolutely right absolutely so i think we've got some you know why the defense in there on the october fifteenth date but it was not possible to get that on for that date sort of looks like it would be the next one which is the twenty ninth ok coming up we might even have a want because this application has potential changes related to you know the footprint of the stadium i wanted to have us talk about getting special counseling to review  the situation and help us be clear as to you know what what it is exactly that we're looking at here i've given out i've put together for the board with the help of sandra and val inspection department the capacity of all the different liquor license entity you know licensed entities so that you can get an idea of where the capacity for the occupancy for all of these and titties really sits within a town and  so you know i think we have some old notes here facts to consider when issuing license that what we as a board have to look at are the public interest the public need we have to protect the common good  determine an adequate number of places at which the public may obtain the different sorts of their riches what's the appropriateness of the liquor license at a particular location consider the number of existing businesses and their location in the compute community and  so you know i think where this is potentially a big change and potentially a significant impact i would like us to know both arise pop to obtain special counsel to help us through this review because this will be a significant if you have anybody in mind i gave it was to me  developed the liquor license legislation for derby street and hang on which that language is what the rep for for addendum used for legacy place and that language was what i used in my initial legislation for a picture place which was not adopted by the way because different the selection of the time side to go their own way but anyway i was impressed because they had dealt with issues a you know an entertainment shopping area with a lot of restaurants which was which is very similar to picture place so i think they know what the town would be dealing with and that's why i was impressed i was really impressed with when they when we interviewed and i was really impressed with that knowledge that they had so i could i would suggest we go go that route with but we have to pay for legal we have to pay for council you know who use i guess we can check the lease to see if this qualifies you know for and ask of the stadium but i to it that we're we're aware of and i think we need to do a thorough study of it i mean i was the first time i think we saw a comprehensive list of all the licenses and all the stuff all the stuff which was in town it's an eye opener really a legal licensing procedures and really what's in the best interest of the town change you know yeah we kind of touched on this last one that when the japanese restaurant was coming in there was a transfer required there's discussion going back to other bars they came in and transferred in is it a town license is it the patriots place so i think at best it was confusing last time and i think we got through it because people wanted the japanese restaurant it was a non wasn't a huge issue but i think in my mind at that time i said if this thing happens again i need some understanding of it because there's a lot going on with the little licenses and just to pick it from one place and transfer it whether it's a second discussion or what are you asking them to review the application when it comes in for the it's a transfer so the appropriateness of the transfer respect to the lease agreement lease agreement in you know  everything goes well but it's something that you know we've got the the insight for my guess is so very rare i'm on this board with an attorney very rare sometimes it had to come he said once where  through each article make sure you're comfortable with the way it's written and we just need a vote that you except in each article so that the warrant can be posted and sandra can have the motions prepared now that she's already w request prior to the townhall plan request i don't think that is a problem however i don't see that as being an issue because if the  w in ministry of office one fails it's not going to change the amount of money this can be needed to do the plants bring because the plans are going to be done based on you know plans and specs ready for you know the vote in may i think the concern was that might be confusing to the public yet so two things the first is it's not the outcome that wants to change the order it was the board of water and sewer commissioners we suggested that they do it but we have no i said opinion on the order of the oracles the second thing is that we're concerned about is at town meeting there will be people want to know what is this going to cost ultimately in the numbers can between eighty nine million dollars and what we've heard is that if water and sewer comes back into the building that will add eight hundred fifty to a million dollars more so we need to be prepared if there's a possibility at town meeting that their war article goes first fails we need to be prepared to explain to the town these new numbers so that's that's have right i see your point that i think that i mean the article is certainly for the five fifty five or fifty thousand dollars but everyone at that meeting is also going to want to know ok if we hope hey this five hundred fifty thousand dollars what's the total for this building what is good what's it going to be and it depends on whether water and sewer is in the building or not nobody's going to know that that night because they aren't going to know it until they design the plans again it says there's numbers the number that we've been told that every one of our meetings is between eight and nine million dollars and that's without water and sewer and at our last meeting somebody told us that if water and sewer came back in that as another minimum of eight hundred fifty thousand or so you the town has done all the design times change things change it goes to town meeting and they vote against the project and it's just lost money right but it happens it happens quite often right so while i'm kind of preparing the public reason i mean this is just just so you can answer the question two the second half of the places in other words if it passes then you have a number for the that's right as many fail you have another exactly that was the purpose for which they wanted to move for us so is there going to be a second number attached to this war and that if article one if the water and sewer fails then article two of the town hall increases from five fifty to some no one effect the design number it will affect the total cost be built number the number that we would vote i did the annual town typically the design is a percentage of the construction well then oh yeah i mean you had a million dollars y four into the special town meeting warrants on november fourth second question was in favor of five sewer service area a move that we accept article five concert and we just have proven that that's one of the question i mean does this generally establish would have to be in reasonable proximity to the stadium no because what we did years ago going back many years ago is we didn't allow that to be a need no no no i mean we go into executive session to conduct strategy sessions in preparation for negotiations with nonunion personnel ought to conduct collective bargaining sessions our contract negotiate with non union personnel to which deputy police chief john chandler and to review the executive session minutes