discussions we thought long and hard about this and debated a lot of different aspects and we did obtain two contractor responses to price this out for us which came out fairly much the same i believe i forward that all to everybody and the cost of that came out to five point you have the underwood pool recap which is the revolution expenditures for the pool from f y eleven through f y thirteen the thing to keep in mind for all of these memberships expenses and such is that the last two years have been a bit of an aberration and  we don't expect that to continue what came late today for most of the what's going on now are the figures for the current field what's going around what's going to go on the minute is today's document which is proposed expenditures for the has these trees and it's got what look like used to have to have used to have trees and then a tree and then something that used to be a tree and then there's no tree and then it continues and trees on both sides they did to fill in some of these trees here the idea that to come here and that there's sort of these trees that run are up and down carter street some of those are invasive trees some of those are dead trees some of those are dying trees some of them aren't even trees to weed them out and get rid of the invasive and dead and dying stuff and put in a lower story i s more detail later to make this actually a much more healthy and pleasant and verdant looking streetscapes sort of like myrtle on the other streets that are around there the idea to create a path from wellington which would come down pools years at nights and weekends when those activities are happening so there's an opportunity to utilize the wealth of the parking but to provide a path a safe pathway without having to cross streets come down across the street again because right now there's only a sidewalk on this side a crowded street later and then to fix this parking lot currently it's a straight ahead in parking lot with i believe nine spaces one of which has a telephone pole on it it's not the world's most study useful parking lot and also as you know this kind of street is one way coming down towards concord ave people often when they want to call this parking lot will make an illegal turn of conduct out and pull in the parking lot the idea is to discourage that by having angle parking going this way and having the parking driveway come in and go out so that it has a little buffer between that and the streets or people  to backing out straight over into the street where it was so it would be safer you also know the sun here on the made you can't tell that the the grass area here has been expanded the fence has been down it is not impinging upon the skating area we were told very loud and clear of the by the neighborhood and by others not to impinge upon the skating area as well as the stork and we're not infringing upon the skating area however there is that pathway there which is actually top of the  the ground and the idea is to put dirt over that and put grass there and move the fence back to provide more green space within the pool area but that's all it's going to do it's not there to stir the coals for or mess with the call for any way other than just simply to cover so this is a close up detail what we're looking at here with pool again as i talked about the said to do multigenerational pool at the two poor one pool question was something we looked at very strongly the problem but we've had with the pool a lot of times has been that when there has been an accident in the final side of the pool the entire pool shuts down for the rest of the day of the pumps are very antiquated the pump is antiquated takes a long time to cycle  support separating the pool would prevent that because of one pool shutdown the other story of the that would necessitate two pumps instead of one pump however instead of one very large pump you would have to much smaller farms so there is an increase d cost to having two pumps instead of one pump but it's not like it's double because there is there would likely a pump that would be there for one pool would have to be a larger more expensive the a there the lap lanes as i said which are a temporary lap lanes if you will start with a very small kids and they get steeper then it gets steeper then it gets deeper than the distance or kind of a clever design so the idea over here with a very small kids area there will be some top jets that will come up out of the ground adults could sit in the water and watch their children playing in the shower and they want to sit down in the water to do the this pool is smaller in area than the current pool however it's actually a lot more usable than the current because it's a lot more efficient the current pulls you know it's got shallow it goes to a shallow all the way around the edge and once this deep in the deep end it's not terribly useful so this gets rid of some of the lawn unuseful that parts of the pool and push the useful parts of the for talking to a conservation agent for the town this is right up against as you know the wellington brook and is in the wetlands area while there's already a building there they would not allow a building to be built there today but since there is already a building there they said if we keep the building that's going there to the same size as the building that's there they have no problem with that they just don't want to getting any bigger so we've got here is the pool is the bathhouse that would be basically that size the problem is that code for a modern poo requires a certain number of bathrooms and showers and you cannot fit them in that building of the current size we are currently as you compliant with the number bathrooms and showers are required to have so if you can only have a building of this size here the got to be another path out somewhere else to accommodate the difference and that is what we are what we're looking at over here this right here would be the filter building we broke up the peace bath house in the filter building because the idea was to keep these a sort of three small residential scale building the thing with the neighborhood rather than have it we could combine all these bathhouses into one big monster building but that doesn't do it for just so the idea was to have these smaller buildings that are sort of residential in scale between thirteen and fifteen feet tall these are the entrance to the school would be this way so the idea is dead create this new drop off area here in concord ave to have a safe area for people to get kids off for instance and also to accommodate the bus stop and make  very clear entry here so that people know you come down here and then you would enter the building this way we talked with that looked at ideas of putting the entrance over facing cottage but with the neighbors we decided we best actually to face it facing cottage avenue because that's what we're trying to encourage people to come well so you'll know at least offset the building from the houses across the street here so that no one's got a direct sight line into the door it's sort of between the houses and the door faces this way so you were coming here there'd be a central control point where you would enter the pool area and then you would go in there and i fancy you've got some details of these buildings over there there is a slide over here as well it's an aspect that a lot of people want to get these if you look at the budgets that we sent around these underground sticks above ground a little bit this building pulls up above ground one of the problems has been the filter in the building sits down into the groundwater in this flooding if yours would be a shame to create a new filter put in brand new filters and have them destroyed by deep down in the ground water the idea is to pull this out a few well if you think of the pools like a pocket that sits down in the ground water right now and that's been part of the problem is that the pressure the water's been pushing up at the bottom of the porch causes problems that is to pull the pool up to pull the bucket up out of the groundwater replicate the existing pool house and have some sort of a fake old looking building that what they encouraged us to do something different in the world more modern i personally like that better i think sort of it's almost like a disney fake building there to try to do some hundred year old building know there's going to be a new fence a nicer fence than sort of the rusted old fence that's there you can see here that we're talking about a path to the school when i was talking about that earlier that the path to come down inside the tree line and come out to the street come over and then you area here there is some room to put a walkway there on this side of the trees if we clean up the area and then punch it in to go up inside the tree line there's some suggest in the planning or less night just rather than five hundred out and bring it over just to run it straight down here which is a good idea as well we're certainly going to look into that it's not a cost issue it's just a matter of what you want on the side of the trees the answer is the wires that currently are wise you know there's a telephone pole here there's a telephone pole here on the electrical wires come here and then they go over the building above ground to put that all under as part of this project and make this nice an aviary compliant which would be nice this is a detail that drop off air and the bus stop with some some seating area and some from the papers again this was not in the feasibility study so this is something that's come out of the public process that this is the con of street look here you can see the path coming from school street and then it comes out and goes down and here is the bill the east building and the idea that thin out the trees here just leave the real trees and then plant some smaller growth underneath to create sort of agree on is the idea this is showing you the new fools in relationship with this dotted line which is the current opal how it sits over where the old pool was and how it is in fact smaller than the old pool and this shows you the depths this is the zero entry in the child's pool t so you can see this is the east bathhouse here and then this is the pump building the construct side you can see here the men and women shower rooms there's family rooms here we heard that a lot from the neighborhood that they wanted to have some sort of family changing rooms which we currently don't have or the whole family could go in together and change they have these lockers here they're not this not a locker room the sort of public lockers really could put your stuff and bring a lock unlock it is not like you're going to put a quarter to a key but  a lot of padlock and lock your in your wallet or whatever this right now there's nothing like that before here's the control area where you would come in again this is concord have a period come in the control area show your id pass to get in there's a nice first a parents to watch the kids that are who are using those bathrooms because there's only one way and one way out of this the shelter area over here is an area which is not really programmed ideas thinking maybe vending machines or something that's really direct apartment would operate the pool  that people don't know the pool qualities that people should rinse off before they get into the pool but since the pool house is kind of nasty to be honest people down if we made it easy and nice and had some outward hours in people are more likely to rinse off before they got in w the quality of the water going for of course the pumps being newer more efficient pumps were healthier as well and the fact that the cycling less water because the two separate pools are small so because you know the the existing pool by law this isn't who's going to be there clearly is about a thousand people will obviously get a thousand people who'll certainly not all at one time of these two new pools is about seven hundred again that's the capacity of the pool as a legal matter again you're not going to get seven hundred people in the pool of one time you've got the numbers that we've sent around as to how many people have been using the pool that dropped off in the last two years for things like splaying those are everybody in the whole force of the day that people come in the morning and then leave them on the line from leaving people  women's rooms and showers there's a janitor room there's a lifeguard area for the lifeguards to put their stuff to some of the bathrooms and there's a storage area that having the two bath houses actually has an advantage efficiency isn't that when the this is what the east bath house idea would look like again this is the door facing the concrete avenue and you can see out sort of a deal is to go for sort of like a low key sort of beach house vibe with it and keep it small and scale of the houses across the street a cottage or taller than these buildings clearly and to have the idea of having the slanted roof is to allow for some solar the roof in the future there is no solar in the budget louvers your notice in these very large doors ideas to make a very open and have it natural event there is some code required mechanical fencing but it's relatively small for the bathrooms and here the most part it's just it's open and that was sort of the five we were going forward didn't want to create the sort of on that side of the property this is the view from inside the pool area here is the that kids pool with a zero entry here is the end of that trellis of the island where the lifeguards stand  to monitor it this is the other side of the east building and this is cottage street out here again you can see how this large door how it's open this is that east bath house here so and then this is the pump house with those bathroom doors that and open right  outside they didn't break up the pool house the pump house from the pool ours we could certainly made it one building but again was to break down the scale of this one long building on top street to make it smaller there will be a fence between these two a decorative fence facing  saint we don't want you know people obviously do not want to run have people walking through the buildings on street and then this is sort of the nicer new decorative fence that you see around there rather than the sort of rusted nasty chain  this is the other bath house this is the west bath house which is where the current bath house is currently the situated proximately the same size obviously different bathhouse this is that diving area here this is the area where the lanes are which could be removed for just general swimming paddling around that sort of thing again you see these large door that opens lots of so this clear story to get natural light in there to reduce the need for two luckily it's summertime it's like relatively late and the bathrooms us the reasons why that specifically happened and that's been provided improvements that are outside the area such as the parking lot or walkway to both cottage both to school street and the contour that the tree used the power lines expanding the grass area over the culvert all of those things were outside the scope of the original feasibility study the two pools were so one pool i'm although this is a cost drivers not a huge one the feasibility study was based on first quarter thirteen costs now it's based on the current cost with an escalator for construction in two thousand and fifteen so that's been taken into account the project manager piece was not in the feasibility study that wasn't the point of the feasibility study and then a kill came to us last year as saying that we might need a reserve fund transfer to do the work needed to get the waiver open the pool last summer and then they found the money in the budget we didn't need that so we can bring it to the fore war committee that this is there was money that was needed just to do the bare minimum of the board of health required to even allow the pool to open last a month whether that happens again as i said you know the cost that we sent around i just took a look at them today the pool of water is relatively the same with the project or with the new pool the old just more for the new pools with the two buildings and two pumps instead of one of the chemicals from the pool or less under the new pool than under the current for the staffing will be the same which is important to note and that's been  non peak hours you could actually i didn't say staffing but again direct apartment does the staffing not us and they have requirements as to how many how long someone can a lifeguard can watch the pool area before they start to zone out now to be switched off for safety purposes so they do have to the construction cost is the five point zero for the project that we're showing you the c p a funding at the of the two million the debt exclusion amount of two point nine to ninety eight is last year c p a and that was to do the i opened up the you know one of the things that you did not talk about is that you know when the materials are headed out there would pool recap there is there a set of revenues there's a set of expenditures the expenditures are broken between non salary back at and be painted for the first five years for instance so incredibly you've seen the inmates out there doing it every year and over the stuff that keeps popping up and people throw chunks of concrete out of the pool time so i don't need to explain  swim lessons and camps and then there's a dollar amount under revenues and then under expenditures lifeguards and other staff my question is is that thirteen you know twenty five thirty five and forty thousand dollar items for camps is that the telecast of the camp or is that just the amount of money that went to the pool from the camp programs that are calling before the library and then there's the one at the pool it seems to me that that's not i've every step that's not safe well we talked about that because wondered what type of the for that reason because the drive by ferry loses three on street parking spaces however for perfectly detail and well organized one thing that did occur to me about this staffing issue is that based on the f y eleven numbers that looks like the average cost of a membership is only one hundred ninety four dollars so i think if there's going to be a new facility that has many more amenities the last time i looked i thought our pool was quite a bit cheaper than our region so i think there's room to appropriately increase the fee and that would cover additional staff potentially if needed but i also had a question beyond that which is if it were the case that a full membership that was more in line with costs for other towns generated a bigger surplus than seven thousand dollars a year is there any provision for earmarking that for serving servicing the debt that sustained because again i think they'll have to be some history because you will probably get a bump up in memberships the first year but obviously one of the you want to look at long term is a seventy aside a certain amount of money from revenues every year putting that probably in stabilization fund so that after ten years if you need to replace the bathhouse roofs or need to do some pump replacement or upgrades or something like doubt you have a pool of money available for maintenance for large ticket items down wrong so either  were thinking more of the fact of trying to come up with the stabilization fund so that the pool repair costs long term could be covered i think it would be a very good sorry what i've heard over when you made a presentation to the board of selectmen and the planning board is that this is fairly simple construction it's a fairly simple project the bath houses are simple buildings the a four hundred thousand dollar increase from the original budget afford point eight five point two and then i heard you adam say that one of the reasons for the increase the four hundred thousand dollar increase was that the project manager piece is new and as i looked at the numbers the project manager piece is two hundred sixty thousand dollars approximately with a contingency of about sixty thousand dollars which means it could be about three hundred thousand of the four hundred thousand additional funds that you're requesting if this is such a simple project do we really need to spend that kind of money on a project manager well construction in town on some projects in the past because the town doesn't have the capacity to oversee the work as it's being done through committee we can't oversee this we're not expert construction people you need somebody who knows what they're doing to oversee it and that's because we had we had caught that that wasn't there the the architects disability cost estimate doesn't include those costs and it's up to the person doing the study for the town to sort of add those things and it just was done so fast last year we what questions came up how many people actually go to the pool for so last summer we did that survey just to get a number although as has been mentioned i think it's reduced from prior years but it's an actual number of total people  so much so my question is about scope this pool is at least according to paperwork is laid out to accommodate six hundred forty six six hundred forty five six hundred forty six behaviors like code i code and the code it  we have and i just tried to assume it was all we had that's why i just want to confirm that i just tried to speculate do some extrapolations and see what can that mean in terms of usage because to me you should usage drives to capacity it needs for the pool the capacity drives the pool drives to capacity you need for the bathhouses and all the tribes your budget it's the it's the most important number in this entire plan and what i did was i tripped i just tried to extrapolate that back and said ok usage has to have some relationship to memberships it's not of one to well and it's not a lot but it's clearly has some relationship so i extrapolated that kind of usage data as a given with the membership data because the membership data matched up perfectly for twenty thirteen i took it back and i can't come anywhere near six hundred forty six papers if they came up with just saying that we should just i came up with an average daily use of the peak period of five sixty nine and take given a hot give me the highest tier which was two thousand and six with eight hundred thirteen memberships it came to five sixty nine the whole season it averaged four hundred sixty seven that even if i were basing this on data to begin with and this is an extrapolation to begin with as i said well let's just assume that i think is a generous assumption that eighty percent of those users are in the pool at some point during the day and you'd better have that capacity i think that's a high number eighty percent seems to be very high i come up with peak usage of four fifty five average uses of three seventy four so my question is is why are we building a pool to s pool down and actually once the pool was pared down we did paring down again for the very reason that the size of the pool was you know drives the size of the bathhouses were trying to see if we could get down to one bathhouse or something and i believe and tom can maybe  are requirements for the size of a diving area that have to be a certain size i mean they don't distinguish i don't believe in tween the zero entry area in the area of the diving board for capacity and it's just a straight off with three by three square root of the entire thing  so there is a certain requirement left lanes have to you want left ways that are a certain size there are diving board areas that have to be a certain size and if you're going to do these things you need to have a certain square footage going t space than that so realistically people i guess people sense of what is too crowded is not necessarily the legal definition of the passage to determine plumbing in the plumbing code the past is not passed to the pool for real use also i would note that the you that w point if you think about this pool essentially serving the town twenty five thousand people there are other pools involved in other towns that are meant to serve those populations how do you think about the size of this pool relative to the size of other pools that are built heard it when they presented to the broader selectman it was a fair point three million dollar project in reality it was four point six because the c p a gave him three hundred thousand for design so it started out a four point six really the fo three is an outlier it's really poor point six and it went to five point two that's six hundred thousand dollars plus or minus increase for the scope changes and you know owners project manager and so on i felt a lot better about it at four point six than i do at five point two but the board of selectmen voted unanimously to support this project however my concern when they presented to the board of selectmen is still active today and that is adam you said there was a ten percent contingency if there isn't it's a five percent contingency according to mr scarlatti is that correct mr scott a lot of there was a five percent destruction to you we went through this and i'm it's think it varies depending on what is right i was just there are other contingencies i know you went through them very carefully when you presented to us but i'm concerned that look this is improve women every desire to assume that this is only going  you look at a five percent to stretch consensus about two hundred fifty thousand dollars or so to assume that a five million dollar actual cost project is only going to go up two hundred fifty thousand dollars when you're in preliminary design and have done none of the technical drawings so people have to be really sure that they feel confident that their contingency is going to carry this project through to the end in my you know experience in doing projects of this magnitude and larger typically in preliminary design we carry a ten to fifteen construct percent construction contingency because you really don't know the answers it's only when you get to construction back in minutes and permit drawings and the drawings for actually that you might reduce that contingency to five percent because you now have more of the answers and you feel more confident in your documentation so i just saying please be careful because we you know if this goes up to five point five i committee come up with a number what that would look like for the taxpayer or in conjunction with what that would look like i think you're trying to not because you don't want to look around because the question has come up a couple of times and i just run listening on t v to get the wrong idea read the capacity last year on auction war i thought it was higher than this number i understand that and i just didn't want people to get the impression at the changes start meant you made the pool larger because you had to put you actually made the pool smattered in town meetings out of this going to be yes and that was really driven to make the bathhouses then we can share that but otherwise that's my concern next week they'll be for the questions of the right people won't be here well what i'm saying is that if we have questions we can share them and then we can share them you know get them to me immediately i'll get them to them make give you my car no i'm sorry i found i was in a twelve thousand and twelve it would be the ten percent and i asked the question how many do we have now and so it was three hundred eighty eight  so we have a shot of fall to get to six hundred twenty four so i got thinking about this and i said all right we're going to spend three hundred seventy five thousand dollars for the maximum would be for three more housing units we're spending one hundred  twenty five thousand dollars per housing unit to get to that good and i only say if we doing it then it's a good idea to suppose that this will be an ongoing request because stock in town we're very excited about it because we think the scale is appropriate for town it requires no operating funds from town the proposal is for first time home buyer systems with the goal of helping three households  home in belmont and all of the money is needed for this program will come from c p a from home and for funds that are currently existing in the affordable housing trust for i could be just just  two we are not going to through this method we will not get to a thousand units but it is one peg to get to it it is a lot less money helping  household get to buy a home in town then to build a new unit to build a new unit would be for fifty to five hundred thousand per unit to be fair i mean i was being a bit facetious i don't expect you're going to spend seventy eight million dollars this is the only way you're going to get to the goal i'm only pointing out as kind of a metric is this really a lot of goals to have these three more units when we have a deficit of six hundred twenty four it's de minimus it really doesn't advance that goal with anything i mean it is such a small amount as a matter of fact and you know the question i asked we're facing the o'neill project down which is three hundred you know twenty percent of them are going to be a low and moderate income and i thought i knew the answer pointing out if you want the bang for the buck to get to that goal if that's a real motivating factor we should be encouraging some kind of a percentage low income thing with this twenty twenty five percent would be getting that much credit we might get there as a practical being a reason why we should spend three hundred seventy five thousand dollars and then move on to the diversity and in the diversity situation the first version that came out of there was an answer that there was no metric in the second version thank you you did do some comparison and you compared belmont's diversity on an income basis at different scales with hollington and winchester and as i suspect we do extremely well in diversity being diversity is not at the top of my list and you don't think the top of anybody's list what is at the top of my list is three hundred seventy five thousand dollars and you say well it's c p a funds it's not a real fund it is real fund it comes from a taxpayer we could take three hundred seventy five thousand dollars and put that over on the pool and relieve the debt burden the same three hundred seventy five thousand dollars and as far as our obligation to housing will do a number is there was an electrical fix down there at the at the belmont housing project it's all fungible money it's taxpayers money he shouldn't think of it is nobody's money because it is money is three hundred seventy five thousand dollars i'll ask how many many with a sidewalk lie saw this as you might see i'm kind of emotionally involved because it sends the wrong message yeah i ask people on the street should we take three hundred seventy five thousand dollars a lot of money and give it to two to three people to buy a new house and they think i'm joking he think i'm joking and if i would ever on a campaign against a debt exclusion for the pull off all over ride i'd use this is the poster child of why those two words of money don't know what they're talking about so that's the way i feel about  and to keep these three units affordable permanently so that other people could come after them and so that more belmont residents who are renters here can afford to become homeowners you know and have that much more of a stake and that's what it's  ut yes it's a small number could we do a larger number if this works if we can find the funding sure but now it's not the you know it's not the way to get two thousand and twelve units it's only one of the ways to increase but that is somewhere in peril as the cost of housing in this town goes up and the fact is that the state goal is ten percent and we only have about what four three point six percent of portable housing and affordable is based on i think i mean it's not low income housing it's moderate income housing and you know you've seen the figures about how the things are heard that how the candidates are generated it's it's people who don't have incomes that are so low that you would think they couldn't buy  the fact is we don't have units that are affordable at this rate and so there's a reason why the state has set this goal of ten percent because they will don't want the place to become balkanized they don't want the place to become separated by income and i think that's a lot of  gold i think belmont has a responsibility to do what we can to move toward that goal even though as you say it's unlikely that we actually ever will get over a thousand units and you know who knows over time we may but particularly if we get credit for all three hundred if you'll ever built says large project which who knows if that's ever going to happen or not i also wanted to ask the housing trust about the the choice between homeownership and rental because you seem to be suggesting in your answers that we want to drive and promote some affordable home ownership options as opposed to just going for all rental and i just wondered  it so expensive why are we spending this much money it's because in belmont we have to we don't have affordable houses that can be bought but i assume that thinking about whether or not we could provide some rental units might provide more units at less cost and so i wonder why home properties to purchase as a town and then to or and then to rent them and so it's a much more complicated costly process to actually find properties and to to turn them over int rental and their ongoing in their ongoing costs that would be assumed by the landlord which would be the town and i think that's something we decided that in fact because we're looking at between one hundred twenty five one hundred fifty thousand dollars subsidy pretty unit in fact because the homeowner will be making their own in their own mortgage and downpayment that overall the cost is really much less to contribute to three hundred seventy five thousand per three units then what we could actually do with we aren't at seventy five thousand dollars in terms of rental housing and you know the long term cost associated with that also in belmont they're only currently seven affordable homeownership units are three and the way of preference works is that the applications the applicants who qualify as residents people who live here work here have kids in the school go into the special pool and then also into the general so they have to chances to you pick the two first and then you pick the third out of everybody who's left so there's another chance and the importance of that obviously will depend on how long as they choose yes because they own that so it is not like our rental low and affordable housing where once you no longer meet what you are no longer in need you have to move out here you have to  like one hundred eighty thousand dollars so you know is the concept here that they won't buy it at the market and when it comes time to sell they will sell it not in the market but off as you know with two and a half percent as all of our property taxes do and any other surcharges that come up from any other overrides or whatever those those are do affect especially if you're concerned about schools is how big the and it is is that if a household is a couple that buys a one bedroom then there's then there is no school impact so i think right now w need we said three households we didn't define how big and we didn't define what bedroom size so there are some variables that you can't calculate currently and in the research literature on this it's the number of  changing the fact that these are going to be affordable units and no longer market rate units so we're not adding new units like we did it at waverly woods or in the units that came on from oakley village my question was was the part where you said that two and a half percent a year in the tax going up applies to those homes too and then any debt exclusion or override or anything like that would also apply so i guess what my question was and and you sort of explain that of the seven units we have now we don't have we've not settled any so i guess it's never happened here but theoretically if somebody this year bought the hundred eighty thousand dollar house and was paying taxes on one hundred eighty thousand dollars next year that goes up by two and a half percent plus let's say the pool that exclusion passes plus maybe something else passes all of a sudden is that hundred ninety thousand and the person decides to leave next  you know any given year five years from now selling that affordable unit there will be inflationary increases but they're tied to the increase in place here increases of the aviary median income so that they that's always going to remain affordable  think their income will rise to the same level as our debt exclusions overrides in two and a half is basically what you're saying is that the two committed income yeah this is a program really cared about it's based on how much they can pay that's how you got there to begin with right  well so that's why i just want i mean that just kind of confused me a little it isn't a reason to vote for a penny and i was trying to understand the affordability issue and i think you're raising a good question the affordability is so you know there's a question here that's about the seventy  ten percent window and i maybe that's getting a little bit to what you're saying households are eligible at eighty percent of area median income and right around right now that's around seventy thousand dollars i think in that  however the house the day of the mortgage has to be affordable for a household at seventy percent a very mean income there's a window there between someone who could be making eighty percent of every meeting comes this really only paying based on a seven percent wanted to respond to some things listen i understand the need to think about the fiscal impact of any kind of project like this but i think it would be hard for the town to say that we won't support providing affordable housing in the town because you might have a few more school children that that would be a very hard position to hold i think over time and if we're looking at trying to get to the ten percent there may in fact be more some more children that we have to educate but that i think that the affordable housing mandate from the state and just personally i support it as a value if you will suggest that that might outweigh that concern the other thing is that i believe that i'm correct that the state really wants government to show that we have legitimate plans in place to try to move forward with providing affordable housing and that that show of goodwill if you will do d iligence whatever is part of what the state looks at when they're looking at other kinds of grants or the town so when you're standing is that for example part of our ability to have access to the roughly twelve or fourteen million dollars to do road was based on the fact that we have in fact made some progress with affordable housing that that was one of the founders that was looked at and there may be other things in the future that that also affect so i think that the work too should also take that into consideration r y i find this proposal so perplexing i'm trying to imagine if i put an article in the war on my own couple of years ago proposing a three hundred seventy five dollars fee appropriated general and this is the best wonder if you had to was there any other proposal that you considered were since the only one of the table for the screams for money because we're three hundred seventy so in one hand we have three hundred seventy five thousand really makes sense so we did we did look at alternatives that seemed to the largest impact in terms of increasing the amount affordable selling their house so they would probably net somewhere around seven hundred thousand dollars and face market i think if that person that household that wish to stay in belmont but selling their house because it was not suitable for them anymore which if that was to be thirty percent of some of these income equates to an income of about forty three thousand dollars a year which is pretty far south of the percent of the median income but there are other fees that would be included in that i'm not sure i would have to look at your figures but in our in the original application there was a sample it outright their name is on the d n a yes but there isn't a writer so twenty years from now somebody so this house what mechanism actually is there to monitor that the recapture of any possible  there is a writer from the town would implement or would purchase back the unit and implemented a lottery to resell it the town issue should be having a pool of applicants really and that's one of the things that i think will be helpful in developing this program that we should have a pool of applicants as well as over time maybe sooner than later some years that oakley village or some used to be street will sell some of those poorly units and but might not be able to be a local term for our assumption is that there will be a local preference especially given that just a very few years ago that oakley village had a local preference so we're assuming that the state will this make us go through the same demonstration of need that we that they did that then which i think you know the answer to this question but i was confused by some of the wording in your application it seemed to suggest that if it don't one has revoked no one can escape probability for he clearly by hitting ten percent it seem doesn't eliminate through to the roof so i guess that this sort of speaks to my overall question which is you know if you have a challenge of a thousand plus units that were short relative to the ten percent things start we need to get a the the forty b question and i think this also indicates that your thinking is that we would actually do this again this would not be the only time we would do this now probably not the seventy eight million dollar expenditure that bob is talking about but it does sort of beg the question you know this is a seemingly relatively expensive amount of money perceived by the town as a rather be fair amount of money to get two or three units what is can you give us a sense of the larger units if we would allow density bonuses back to get us to more affordable and encouraging mixed use development there's a lot of why the town as a whole can get there and t trust is working with the planning board and david kayla and just trying to get the class in his department just trying to get more things going and a plan put together but i think that one of the things is that you know we're talking you know you think about changes to the inclusionary zoning bylaw talk thinking about other mixed use development we're talking you know years in the future and unfortunately i think but into the town and i think that it's important not just to wait for the big development to occur because it's possible that we're not going to have many more large developments that are going to make the difference and uplands may make in the future and so we need to think about smaller strategies and this is one of those one of many strategies that we could actually adapt and again at one hundred twenty five or one hundred fifty thousand our unit no developer is going to be able to develop a unit and have an affordable unit for th