to six o'clock i will call this meeting to order on tuesday march thirty first fifteen at six pm this being the regularly scheduled select board meeting the first item on the agenda is any additions to the agenda anybody wants to make i have just one and that has to the executive session which is set for legal matters it may also include negotiation of a contract for which executive session is provided under term that would have been occupied by the league given tara was successful petition the required number of names were obtained it is now the slick words obligation at this meeting to city date for the special election and then to warn it we have to warn it fifteen days from the time we were given notice which was on the nineteenth so a little may have told you we have to do it this week  so what i propose is that we set a date and i have a date of mine if anybody's interested that date being may twelfth for special election  with petitions due at the town clerk's office by close of business on april twentieth and petitions are available as of tomorrow morning if i don't hear any be warned for me twelfth twenty fifteen and further that the warning include the petition is must be received by the town clerk before close of business on april twentieth twenty fifteen second a motion and he comments you know all of favor say  we're down we've used about two thirds of the total over time a lot of given the nature of snow cecil's i would suppose it's probably normal use  yes we will do you need that i think he said the we're going to save the overtime till after mode season where i will see what season plays out as far as over time and you know we still got the downers and stuff but once of all the rest of the scope a lot of it we have so bottom line is we keep a tight lid on things we'll be able to make it to the end of the fiscal year i don't know what rick's nickname will be he's declawed i'm i'm you can be handy if you want to from the star of where we had to live in the one on our north that was ninety four thousand dollars piece of shit in there and then we did look at poker hill the hill itself he recreation community the five thousand dollars in c i t the tennis court and all that you need only came to forty seven hundred so we can capitalize it and i wanted to get permission to transfer that five thousand into their regular budget where the forty and seven cents jerry built from center and twenty five dollars and forty eight cents to lowe's home center rb approved all second of motion sensor being made to the two people who that forty thousand forty thousand that's for the hauling or for the material just the whole look at material stuff and this is because we figured we better if you guys work on that well you one of the issues that came up and it seemed that this would be a better place to discuss specifically the access point so i'm here today just to talk about that we have you  to give you maybe a little bit of background of how i got to this point you know when i was just looking at it as an aerial view and google maps i thought oh just put it across for mountain road you know that seems obvious but after going out there and measuring the fake distance on the side of the road in the morning during you know heavy traffic hour i thought wow you know mountain road may not be the best location for access to the subdivision you you know  you can really only tell if you're standing out there but if you're standing on the inside of that curve you really can't see very far pleasant valley road at all it's really not safe and you know i wouldn't feel comfortable proposing that and i'm sure you probably wouldn't approve it if we didn't meet you know the appropriate s distance for the speed limit and i know the speed limit said it thirty miles an hour out there and i didn't see anyone driving thirty  what i had a horse in this so that's why you know we started looking at that access point near carolyn's property as the primary access point you know we feel that it's far enough away the mountain roads to not have conflicting terms but i know there are some pretty strong opinions that you know from you know neighbors and you know members of the community that you know cross or mountain road them we are proposing five locks currently them so it would be five single family homes this is a paper route we would be proposing  that's a different story re but then you can go to the d r v saying you've got the weather report you've got a preliminary approval as it stands please let us do this right so that's we're sort of doing that now because we're going to have effectively are doing this now you know although we would one of my concerns about that mountain road access point and needing proper sight distance michael and that bank even further would be you know hassle of having it additional work in pleasant valley rather nicely we need to access somewhere  yeah i have some serious issues i did like it actually when that was i know a line of sight it was for a bull but i would think a four way stop that mountain road and the new road which will be substantial with the make more sense i was promised traffic calming nobody goes anywhere near to thirty coming down so it's going to be you're going to have new road with the configured the noise factor is her reading this so it's devalue my land substantially but i'm also really concerned about the safety issues this is a corridor where we have people who do not know where they're coming and they're bicycling they're rounding they're going up to their state park they're clueless about what's going on and you have everybody coming through the notch a visitors to the state but we don't really understand what's going on and the fact that the traffic is far faster than thirty miles an hour if we put a four way stop sign there to become even more hot about it now but my question is if it was a four way stop sign do you need three hundred ninety feet wide if you know  aborigines property down towards mine you're going to take down that entire berm and i lose all privacy will the i'm wondering here because i have been out there to look at this right and you know didn't i have not designed a road to go through there and i don't know redell be allowed to go there on time but when we did i would be something they would look at is you know making sure that it's now you know gradient which doesn't help the dust factor at all i wondered what could be done in the way of noise proofing and dust proofing there still preserving the sightline obviously you can't be put in the crease by to the homeowners don't you know know exactly where their boundary and it is they think that maybe they own you know to a certain point sometimes they do and sometimes they don't but i really trust our surveyors i've never seen them be wrong  because i know there have been because that's where the boom was going to go well of twelve feet we're talking can make or break my whole life right yes i'm hearing you right right even if it would be helpful you know we could go back out there in along the albertine gregson property line and keep going you know it would be challenging to get back into the property that africa like so does make sense to you know curve away curve away as soon as you can kind of follow the contour along back  i'm very familiar with the area and just so i'm new to this particular issue my concern is why it's a dangerous area no matter what that's what concerns me again i' started to ask this but the new road is there's no it's the road is already there there's absolutely no way to consider gaining an access road away easement from new road which to me is a heck of a lot safer entry that any of with before we under section you're going to need a flat space for running you've got people coming down the steep driveway where you don't want but they're great to run to within ten feet of the travel way of those a valley because you're going to go right through it of a bad day or so you need to run out of a flat flattish space really makes it complicated right and i think of it i think that you know depending on you know how extensive some type of intersection improvement would be it might be you know it might change their minds as to whether they would do a subdivision at this time so that's one of the other reasons and i hate to keep keep forging had with you know parallel track and you know if they end up thinking they will just pass for now you know they have to do a four way stop and you know reiterate pleasant valley road to get you know a flat area for four way stop me and i would assume that approaching the point where i would be he's able to do the project bill so ignoring the new road because we can't compel them to buy an easement with have access i would lean towards the access closer to carolyn's in spite of the fact that there's all kinds of complications and it's not drawn as it would actually be developed but that would be my preference yeah i'm sympathetic to courland girl its position here i would inclined toward that option provided there were some way allowing for the size of this road for diverse as a developer of a seventy six standards at our new road ordinances going across the road so i'm wondering if it's a private person sanding and solving and everything unless the grade is so much less i have no problem actually with any of this subdivision the opportunities are good friends of mine and i'm you probably could require the axis from the road it's already been engineered down i think it's required for the new standers to do th accept the zero three one access permit application secondly i would like to amend offer a friendly amendment yes to include the following conditions which  up that the permit is granted subject to the following conditions the drive we shall be built as shown on both sheets of revision number two dated march nineteenth twenty fifteen of the revision number two dated three nine hundred fifteen of the drawing dated one sixty one six fifteen by traffic engineering associates see one attached to this permit any change condition to any change in alignment grade drainage use or other features will require either administrative amendment or application to the slick or pursuant to the underhill road driveway and trail ordinance adopted february three twenty fifteen three the erosion prevention and sedimentation control practices said of the drawing referenced above shall be followed for colbert's place to the town right away shall be placed in paid for as provided in the underhill road driveway and trail ordinance adopted february three twenty fifteen and number five which i forgot the state standard be seventy one is rather than trying to scribble conditions in the one inch block left at the bottom of our permit form some of these things are standard stuff follow the drawings attached the drawings of the permit that kind of thing so we don't get people suddenly decide let me open it up to any comments from you folks after i say a few things about rep or of here and then we're going to have to have an executive session here there is some difficulty with trying to work on things with an opposing party with a slick board beach every two weeks and the opposing party is getting restless  would suggest that one person be selected to simply deal with this always subject to ultimate approval by the select ward and with guidance from the s right so if if that's your view that we can make this process a whole lot more efficient peterson can just talk to people without having to wait every two weeks and so  ordinance goes into effect which is saturday of this week and why anybody would care is beyond me since as regards them the thing of the road ordinance makes a hell of beans with a difference but they seem to feel differently and have taken the position that i can say the simple but i have taken the position that they will file suit against the town to get an order requiring and what ultimate use would be made of the eastbourne property is perhaps of what ultimate use they desire for the east the property is probably an open issue at this point who can foretell what will happen ten years down the road we do know from the last public meeting we had that mr borenstein who does not have property in westford abutting the rep a tra but here plus the east front property and there's a question as to whether he could get an easement over the east from the property to do logging and come dug up or road block trucks that's was that came up with the public meeting we had john i live about it even property but out on the road right what i'd like to do is give you a little history about the meeting that happened in western underhill back in two thousand or two thousand and one when they were through up the road i went with raul to the meetings and basically a johnson company was present and bornstein had either written a letter or was present two of the people in the meeting that expressed concern about closing the trail because they wanted access rolfe did not express concern because he assumed that he would always ha access to slip through underhill and in western and what happened later was that he found out that under bill threw up the road and that takes him out of access to his own property now i heard you say earlier in this meeting that we have to provide people access to their property you know and what i want what i know what it is dave arnold's property is two hundred eighty six or two hundred ninety feet wide and that is that the property in question to give him access now i'm trying to be fair to the to the cost under bill you set up for that two hundred eighty six be a requirement for the new owner if if it's purchased to set up a driveway spec to that property and at that point it would limit what was going to be built on that property because it's a driveway space not a sixty foot right away and not a of the seventy one speck i guess that's what it's called yeah but what i'm what i'm saying is you keep the turn around the same place you just give it you're given a person property access to this route and i live on the end of a dead end road and somebody cut it up hundred feet short i be in the same voted as the east and i don't think that's right it's  of you've been through the west so i have not it's going to one hundred thousand dollars to just get off the side of that thing and that's what we're talking about here you know if we're concerned about money and what we're trying to do directly impacted on this it would like to be kept or anything that would be interested in let me see if we can set up something on our website which people can enter this just notes of major developments not day by day ok the minutes of seventeen which is drafted because my memory fails me because i was the only person still around there i thought would go out into executive session but we did not so frequent tells me by phone call he was the other back i'll tell him that once he's made those corrections i will sign it we approve the minutes of march seventeenth they are there on the favorite twenty seven without objection from anybody since i was the only last person in america to have been there i have made some corrections just give me a holler when you've got these done and i'll come in a sign of some good ok that's his care of minutes filed i thought i saw her signed up next to jericho yes it was a look like something's got twisted in there it's that your clothes name was in underhill swanton right so as long as that boring the twenty fifteen local emergency operations plan for those who leave the op anything we have to to do that are just announce that we were doing it we are i'm updating it this point sinus if you reviewed the previous one we've been putting greater amounts in there than the previous previous applications creator amounts of one mostly ditch material some stumps so i'm a little curious how the how that will how that will work out we've got to show the that the amount of downtime from outages that's happening costs that we can save that will be saving money by putting this generator so i think i'm curious now the number of a number of our safety issues as well there are safety issues as well because with the generator the guys don't have to climb up fifteen feet on top of a truck to and we lost by hand and  have been thirty five power outages one of them of very brief durations but that's the that's the number of outages for a total of twenty or forty hours to be two hundred forty four hours with a lot of those or it probably is the probably twenty bucks i don't know but it should go back after that or not oh i was not staring at the book the other day straightforward disagree about powers electric bill i don't have to check out and so on but this is some of the people off the page who are these people ever heard of before we do it with a mouse or the amounts in but i know the blue cross blue shield is going to twenty six of the regular meeting the twenty six compounded by being to the day after memorial day so maybe that's not the best one for people to be around but two meetings are going to be statutorily required and she'd like to be sure that as we discuss what's good for this like order we also keep the plan the commissions particularly the chairs that you see bill to mind but with scheduling those who write let me point out that i saw the planning commission which is not illegal and also the vice chair of myself from any consideration as to starting with the dates of this and with the hearings do happen i will not be in the room nor will i be aware of your vote when you guys discuss it and decide whether to just wonder how many people are going to come on a day after memorial day maybe not and maybe a special meeting with the bloody other one is pretty good because it's a night of the election and we might write more people to  you guys stay in touch with cynthia so we're not going to decisions made no we don't have it to you can you can sort of say if we get it on the second schedule the first meeting for the twelve and the second one the first are meeting in june whatever that is for a special meeting in may or special so we're talking about expires on the twenty seventh and we don't go meet again until the june whatever is served has a better handle on this i do but there are downsides to not having a top plan in place that are not to let it expire yes but not the end of the world if expires what happens if we have a special meeting on the thursday before memorial day here and we can say we don't like this program we want to reword it you can not that i want to go down that road i just didn't know that was an obligation or a responsibility that you do not have to love what you don't have to necessarily have to take i yeah i don't think there's any language that says there's x amount of time between required between well talks are tomorrow and our next meetings on  isn't six weeks what have so yeah so we have a meeting on april fourteenth if i would suggest we do the thursday before just so that there's no expiration i don't think it will have a single person show up if we do it on tuesday night after memorial day weekend and we probably have two people like you said show up on thursday but at least two people came and got a least try to drum f pending or him and imminent litigation both and to receive advice of counsel on various matters where