to the town so we've got a different agenda tonight we would make some things around earlier on an advertised it so that we can focus tonight on on more of the procedural kind of policies in approaches to how we're going to be going forward with the g r zone a special permit applications we want to make sure that we know that we've finalized today  you that we finalized today what we're going to be doing going forward on these on these applications but we've got a little bit of business to do before we can do that because we're going to be continuing some hearings and the first public hearing  which we would like to move for deliberation and vote on tuesday october twenty first again to make room tonight for for our procedures we need a motion the second to do that i have i have a discussion on a favor i propose use and design a site plan review and the applicant is requesting a public hearing be reopened in order to submit some revised plans and for the public and for the rest of the board  mr terry asked joe de stefano myself if we could sit down and try to summarize what the board was looking for when we had the public hearing and some of the suggestions that we had made so we said then we had a working session with  of an opportunity to make those changes hopefully to satisfy the board and tonight he's going to present them we're not going to discuss them at all we're going to hear them and then at a later date we will take up discussion deliberation public hearing to be able to hear and see these revised plans and then continue afterwards or we close and afterwards if if you're not ready to hear it tonight and i would be the time to discuss them i think just  had time to review this plans even before the public presentation of them just just in terms of water so for that reason i suggest we might think about pushing this forward to the next meeting so the the board has a time to review these plans i know you and joe have talked about this with the applicant but the rest of us haven't and this is the first time we've seen this in that it doesn't think it just to me from a process point of view it seems like we should look at this before it's presented jeopardy says so just just even understand what the process resume will have had an opportunity to do it in just to support that to back that up you know we have discussed that nothing really should come here unless it's distributed a couple weeks ahead of time so that we do have the opportunity i know this is a unique situation but you know tonight we probably still wouldn't have heard it if we weren't continuing everything because we've not seen it when i haven't seen the changes either we talked about some suggestions and we discussion ok having done so all in favor of opening the hearing to accept this information they got hosed so now that it's open  procedure go forward and i think that's kind of where this is all coming from i know it was discussed at the last meeting some ideas some comparisons that she'd like to see chuck as well and you know we had some questions as to you know what we could and could look at we also received a letter from another applicant on thirteen b street you're really kind of talking about really if you go down to procedures well a very and so we had some issues we wrote some questions that we sent to town council the questions and the answers i think we need t if we need to but i think this is all going to be addressing that and i think once we meet i think our flying whatever we come up with tonight to all of the open hearings is what we're going to  way of getting at that so if we had said if we said you could only have been if we are vax then that that doesn't follow but if you said sure of example when we look at the neighborhood the scale and of everything is like this which looks like it if they have a point three and then we have a few things like this that looks like and if there a point five the next coping is to see the difference and it's helping us to see the difference between an individual project in the neighborhood in general so it helps us look at development trends and to position something in terms of that so in terms of what the parts to measure i mean that will be one thing that he says is indicating that might be wait on will be weighed on a number of factors so anything that you can do that will help you characterize the project in terms of the proposal in terms of where it is and the neighborhood is a good thing  general he's talking about measures not specifically in the bylaws and he's basically saying if they're reasonable and they help inform you that that's ok but they're not the term of the so i think that's where we are the we're going to have twenty different data points we're going to assign values to those things and some of them up and say well you're over the top of your that wouldn't do that at all we're going to use things to help us make an informed decision if it's if it's in conformity or if it's in the spirit of worth it if it's if it's a project that's going to work from our point of view we're going to have to make an adjustment in the policy call and i think still keeping in mind that every project should be looked at unto itself and its own set absolutely you have to and that's that's the point of this in some cases what he's some of the factors that he's that  i think that i think two things to point out one thing on the on the history of that we just saw is that that's not walking down that particular bush street so you know i think the buildings go up and up th look at how this is in the area what we haven't done on this and what needs to be done there will be done is a careful look and definition of what the neighborhood is and i'll commit on that and then help them with that and so the neighborhood is linkages which are the roads in those other drive the things you have a good neighborhood basically that's going to have to zoning districts do that and one with the more intensive development is going to have an effect on the neighborhood the other but you can certainly be informed by these things when you make the decision which like but he's basically telling us that it's reasonable and good decision  we look at things but we never have a checklist per se that either we publish or that we make somebody hidden terms of this so i mean there are there are there there are a procedural ways to go down a different path but there's no checklist that's going to be held up at any point in time i mean other than like the zoning  be generally good for the neighborhood we're not good for the neighborhood i think that would help but it doesn't mean we have to agree with i thought it would help is actually enhancing a neighborhood adding value to the surrounding homes in the neighborhood and i think it's not necessarily their character so this is a go because it's maybe a few family structure not talking about he's specific of us you know that's before us or anything but we don't want to see the kinds of issues that were brought up and led to this whole process here so we don't want to see those oversized walk scary things we don't want to see the kind of thing we have in certain areas where there's no front lawn i mean this what happened before there's no from one end of the driveway great deaths are extreme examples they got remedied after buildings were built we certainly don't want to see that but we want to be cautious above what's going forward we certainly don't want to stop other kinds of things that are going to improve the wouldn't we consider that and i think we need to find a way to make it including but not limited to to give the opportunity if the data exists to provide well they have to know what their own war coverage is because right now they're going to have a plan we're going to define what we think the neighborhood is to to get or metrics from if they want to get plans for every every every every day to every individual property within what's the fine not realistic but i think it's important for the developers to know that this is we're not trying to impede the process we're trying to make it just in and in standardised as much as possible so we can get through this get a process in place rather than react to individual f f the patients so that were consistent going for know whether whether we develop or goes to jeffrey first or they happen to know some of us in the board in the asking here if you take a look at my plans i want to i don't want to waste time or time and you know i've i've done that if you pretty much pretty much every article so far has reached out there with me or with show me you know we have all in tears we need we do want this process to move along it's really the process and i think we've given a lot of our board if somebody asks for help you know jeffrey can't give it or wants to suggest they call it was it seemed wrong with that but i'm interested in what the board has to say i think i think there is i think two things and i want to thank you and joe for doing the work that you've done this because i know it's hard and then you bring special skills on there the first issue though is transparency and transparency both in terms of public certainly the chair can disseminate that individual that information individually to members and talk with them that the other issue has to do with  when when we talk with the developer about something that is before the we're talking not as a citizen of the per se but with hockey as a member of the place and that's different so i'd look for transparency either in the new business or under you know committee work or whatever we can be discussed at work in session we met with these people on this day and we talked about but that wasn't going to pretty much every time we haven't had a discussion it's really a discussion tonight about goes back to cushing village because they were very particular which specific thing is in the kitchens that had to take place and that was an extraordinary project something that doesn't happen and i do it's not it doesn't happen often and i would but again i think if we should finish that discussion but i also want to finish this discussion i want the board to be comfortable if it happens at all if it doesn't that's fine too so i just want to know what point when i want to  it doesn't matter it's design it could be anything it could be should i park my car sideways or front ways doesn't that he's the first he's the first person the first i'm concerned and if he's got an issue control which is some point in the future there we have all the assessors data that we can manipulate the data that we will be able to like once we define it and then we will be able to do for all the quantitative kind of stuff we would be able to do that in our because we're going to have a whole if they have all if it's the database we have all the templates it's just a matter of filling out that for the quantitative stuff you know want to fill in the blanks and produce a document i'm not too sure we want to do that i think really i think we're looking where the where we're looking at the documents as in drafts that we have before us as a sort of guideline nothing no no no i just meant that there if it's if it's if it's the used special permit did we also have the other one so it's more of a process you know that's all i'm all yes that's that w on this section that has to do with new growth opportunities and so we've been looking at you know when you both can be in belmont and it's you know there are only a few places where you know the preferred growth that we would be looking for is commercial development and the main place that i remember we have been asked about this and been asked to make some sort of recommendations on this everybody points out the selfless an street project we met in two thousand and eleven in two thousand and twelve and we spoke about that at that time you might recall andy had an architect and you know we did is open mass and all of that and then we got and we got involved in pushing villages decided to do two things we decided cushing village was more impressive more pressing and more important at that time and the other thing was we want to learn what lessons we could learn from the over lake district in pushing village before we went to hell with so pleasant street so in terms of commercial development in the town and i think one of the things that came out of the meetings that we had the public meetings and things was that self pleasant street would be a commercial only district i mean it's l b two now it would be commercial done in district and at some point we wanted to go back and take a look at what we could do to encourage reasonable opportunity and to make a recommendation to the selectmen in our report that the planning board either reopens to the public hearing or takes it into through this exercise is that we thought that there are a couple big parcels there and that there was i mean my sense it's it's an l b two the f a r s one plano five and i forget what the coverage is but there was sufficient dimensions there that they could build more than was in place there now because it's less than one now it's less than point five to get it's going to three and a lot yeah just with the general or if it's the developers move at this point and i don't see the i mean the the the curd dealership was successfully redeveloped in that had been empty for years it's not producing the income that an office building would occur you know going out that office isn't there it's not it's class c office but it then yeah it's not you know but i don't know that the that we can do anything immediately that would that would help cause point but i wouldn't say that we wouldn't look at its own weight i mean i think there are some other priorities swear at some point so this things that we have to look at i just don't know that it's going to be something that we're going to be able to be anywhere near definitive for a while i don't see it so it isn't it isn't the recommendation that we should in the short term move ahead with that is that the consensus that says that i'm hearing that that there is been my sense of that is is that there are big enough parcels there and  i think you could i don't i don't think anything's going to be developed in the short term although i don't know but i mean to look at revenues you know additional revenues there one thing that happens is when they do this the land value remains the same so it's the value of the additional movements that come into play station and if we think i remember we talk about if they are in other kinds of things that you could build more there than there now and that's a decision that the goal you know could make and if there's a movement in that direction at some point then you know we decided maybe something happens in terms of the  that the reaction to the developer was more catering to the gullible as opposed to saying this is what we want this is what will allow developers going to develop if you want to live within these guidelines so i think at some point we is going to maybe need to take a position of those things