put on pause while the form based code was being addressed ok and we have had a discussion that's going on and it seems like it's starting to gel maybe but we're not we're not a player we're proposing any hand you know we i caught him in tougher for about things that could be changed that you might ask do you consider making changes before another application comes in so i know like a select for when there was a shit about science they're just like ok no legged science and till we figure it out and i guess i worry that while we do a really good job of figuring everything out five more buildings will be applied for in the commercial district and i'm wondering if need be something short term or as a stopgap might be consider knowing that it would be temporary just to  other things that you could do that are much less dramatic like a moratorium on new retail for a temporary period of time until you figure it out or choosing you know three or five things but i just feel like you guys are doing a really intelligent job and you're being released thoughtful enough really good but i am concerned that the same skoda that said i like that special permission would be granted if you had a lot that could otherwise be subdivided and that reminded me of the discussion that we had the first go round where we were talking about you know is a larger accessory whaling because you don't want well someone with a trophy else isn't going to make an accessory apartment probably if they can afford to build something that's five thousand square feet they're not likely to make an accessory apartment i don't ok so that's good we we have some sort of agreement there so i guess it's a question of on that specific piece of it would be what number sort of people feel comfortable with what numbers percentages and square feet yeah so should we change i mean right now would we have is has a floor area not exceeding thirty percent of the principal dwelling or four hundred square feet jever is greater make it fifty percent that mean that you'd have a look at two thousand square foot house so if you have a thousand square foot if you look at fifty percent or a thousand square feet just a that's a language written down here if i have a thousand pound a seven square foot house i give up thousand square foot access or apartment  i don't think we should control goes on people we should probably say what size it should be because that's what we see from the outside not what affects our community but what they do inside that well and yes unless it affects s parcel it's defined in the middle of page three is the definition in our regulations is contains is located on meets all political setbacks yes that's that's for the definition section i don't think we have anyone in jericho who'll reviews structures that that would get into don't mean in burlington they have people who go looking for housing good violation but i could if i live in my own house i'm this is a question actually if i love my own house and i build an accessory apartment can i rent that to john because i'm the owner of the parcel i'm living in the thing about me growing and i'm renting my access report me to john you know the single saying that it has to be somewhere in the family occupying one of the two units is to avoid a bunch of houses being converted to rental housing you do apartment building o k so just from a management procedure of handling this seems like we've gotten six months before that or hear some sort of handle some some parts of this maybe what we so i think that should be done i don't disagree i'm still trying to get my head around what exactly is the intent of this language and if the intent is that they just want me to have a place that my mom can come and live and they don't want me to be saying hey i can paint i'm worried i make this place big enough and i can squeeze not bedrooms and yet i traced my question what the if the intent language is to restrict this so that it's not something i can make into a rental property n p r m or in but having can't from the way i read this it seems to me that this was originally designed so people could have a mother in law partner anymore their kids could have their own space if they came back to college i mean by more likely the mother partment however in today's world that we live in you know there's a need for rental housing here and we're looking at where this is i mean my observation which i shared previously was was that this is where there's been quote unquote affordable housing developed in jericho more recently this is the tool that developers for lack of a better term this is the type of housing it's moving to making or break so if the other stuff which we spent some time on trying to make work hasn't worked in the past and you know it's the least of it to see you what the changes that we made in the last year if will affect things if we know the need is still there and this is this is an area where people have been utilizing it it makes sense to me that we look at this through the eyes of war the need is now as opposed to what the original language was and it's not that that's wrong the original intent wrong shift that there's this is being utilized for a different purpose and doesn't make sense and if so what i didn't understand square footage probably trying to differentiate between accessory apartment and a duplex house with except for a partner and he was a reasonable number of bedrooms for a thousand square good room you know from a regulatory standpoint they can't do that i mean put a bed in there someone sleep in it yes i know there's probably a hundred ways around it but it's still not right thing to actually specify or upon everything else in the regulations and where they are and their site and their lot build a completely separate you know unit and have two units out there or they could subdivide off and have a separate lot with a separate house on it read that out obviously in there just because i'm not smart enough to figure out why it was in there doesn't mean it shouldn't be in there you know story do you remember why you had the number of bedrooms in  there and some of these things were probably taken from other statutes and have simply been rehashed over the years and you know i think you would be a very uncomfortable accessory apartment if it was six rooms and three bedrooms but we don't make those restrictions on the main house so perhaps it's we don't want to make it on this but down below there and for us four point six point guess i mean i can just throw in my two cents i can but i would advise not removing anything unless you really have to because it could be a really good reason why it's in there i mean it may relate to how the state waste water group defines accessory versus primary here as if you had a  not like going through my mind the definitions seeing what we would tweak but thinking about it conceptually about like what do we want to change about that definition we want to make it more progressive would like them to be bigger so that more people want to do them and then just kind of sticking with af mom less and less i'm trying to create a rental space and i want to be able to have a three bedroom apartment or sensory apartment to make it so i can charge more rent for that would be a reason to check maybe that isn't even necessary contains up to four rooms excluding the bathroom and ignore the the bedroom language because that's percent and i don't know seven hundred fifty thinking about closets as well counters three hundred bedrooms that we would have up to fifty percent of the size of the structure maybe you change it maybe say you keep it thirty percent of the structure but you have a maximum that it could be or  because right now we have thirty percent or four hundred square feet whichever is greater but we don't have a ceiling now i got it now or is too small or move the floor up got it i got it so that we can actually keep thirty percent of the nine hundred so at above three thousand square feet so everybody up to three thousand square could build seven fifty over three thousand then you have a thousand  be a full sized house and that right there or whatever that they could bump it up from thirty percent of the total glory of the primary to no more than fifty percent which is accessory in them and then have a cap as well the same getting the same place that we're trying to do what i like about this is it allows someone just was like you describe yourself john like hey i'm in my house i don't want to have to a percent or seven hundred fifty square feet whichever is greater not to exceed seventy five percent of the size of the existing home four thousand square feet at the end should say whichever is greater again three percent or seven hundred fifty square feet whichever is greater but not to exceed seventy five percent i think this thing home or a thousand square feet whichever is greater no i one i think it's it's both of those as of right now in that in the motion whichever is less that last thing i should say otherwise i'm going to exceed a thousand square feet any way you look at it right right right but it can't say a lot but that last thing i just read says not to exceed a five now yeah i do see it's seventy five percent of the existing structure or a thousand square feet whichever is less apartment so what i should be recreated is a multifamily dwelling which is a different you say you wouldn't even have to live there for it to be a legal part of what it would you could convert it to apartments but they would just be converted to apartments to be built family dwelling and you would have to live in the house you know there would be that extra rule like there would be with accessory apartment successor your partner probably would be the right mechanism to if anything else i'm especially permits at this time i thought i did a good job ok going to progress it is now eight thirty we could get a touch base in the commercial district for a few minutes of mystery be a bad idea because there was some discussion about the survey which of course smith is not here to talk about but she did she definitely  people may say yes to talk about africa it's why i know when when i one of the reasons i was able to buy my house is the people who move said you know it's getting all built up because two houses have been built across the road and they haven't wonder if simply service and retail businesses service and retail businesses with residential service and you know not call it commercial center village center commercial business park because it like the village sort of thing like where it was just like out like a pick and choose a cairo cell like what you want to put on your plate kind of thing you know but then i realized that if people pick and choose like industrial and residential then right people who know how to design that you know but like we would like part of the problem we have now is that is that you know back in the day i think people wanted to encourage mixed use kids like mixed use is a good thing and you know like residential should be mixing with commercial but unless you do that in a village center it turns it turns into kind of a mass  i didn't think it was maybe there should be a last other and give people an opportunity although i was trying to think what people would write like what what other things ar with the questions interesting it says in the commercial district which type of growth would you most prefer doesn't it doesn't give people the option to do you say growth or not going to so this is this is saying ok if there's going to be gro have but we can certainly give direction way that you know people can support and you know we've seen this issue of one time really hear feedback from people is what they're fighting against what they don't want and this is forcing them to do something very useful i think if you had a couple of that would be that one because i don't i don't think that's how i think it's hell they play in those kinds of projects i think they know what the tough areas are in town and they wait for funding be i mean you talked about the convenience question there there in the convenience could be a number of things that could be convenience to recreational opportunities it could be convenience to you know  when we try to get out of it because we can't move or geographic location it just the whole question you know it may be coming from what some people talked about what we're talking about this for about what is jer around and some people chose to come to jericho based upon i think that was the one that talked about the distance he said i'd like to circle around burlington real estate i get them all the time and i have to say i do every week i interview and then to play the other side of the fence like what do you think about like a question and it's kind of like a question that asks people straight out would you support prohibiting any of the following times of types of uses altogether in jericho like new like new say that's reasonable given what you've got there and i read that there but it would be interesting to hear what people have to say the only thing is if you're going to say structures no bigger than you would have to because people can't picture either yeah ok so maybe that makes it a multi part question if you support these things fuel cells whatever on for base code again so they just asked me if i had any other comments cleaning up the farm base code and when i went back to table of you says i kind of felt like we hadn't really finished the discussion on the table of you says there was a lot of comments and a lot of little yellow flags in here so i tried to clean it up the best i could and hopefully you guys are ok with what i have here but if not f i send a letter to the select board or you know come to me tomorrow or something  planning and for the over under is on all of these they were three thousand square feet and i just changed it to success because i know that we've discussed it a little bit in the past and it just it just made sense if we all agreed that there would be hotels and motels in the area or present at the at the formal meeting tomorrow and you'll have an opportunity for any input then and then the war and the actual hearing can i ask about the the six those who say i don't remember the discussion o that was just you decided the three guys was a big no i just remember that being discussed and back like in one of those commercial district conversations and then i when i thought about it and i think what martha said and i think david said i think i just heard it from different people and so i don't know mean that's double the size and i'm not necessarily saying you're nathan but i think that's something that if there should be another social i guess the other reason i did it is because the foreign based code has the character part be permitted uses and so i kept it in as conditional uses but i just upped the threshold from say three thousand feet to six thousand square feet and you may drive through this permitted where is the back  restaurants over six thousand square feet altogether because that was that was the subject of the appeal over david's restaurant last time already it's a conditional use as opposed to assess character it seems it just doesn't seem necessary to me to require a conditional use for anything until it gets to about six thousand square feet  frankly that that it should be permitted for it under and over six thousand but you know i'd be willing to deer hearing on their grocery store proposal for side and it with pretty well i had met with the developer four times and like they came up with some different we were able to come up with some negotiated  extras that they're willing to give us so the deliberative session is when the dairy goes into like an executive session to prepare a decision but it's not the final decision because it's a preliminary review so you know there will be a preliminary decision and then