she acted in a way consistent with having sex outside marriage i don't think they used the term honor killings and there's nothing in the record indicating they used the term honor killings for interreligious  an honor killing is any killing in which the family is protecting a family members protecting its family's honor it's a killing committed underneath the shari'a and while the record does actually reflect more women being killed that's because the number of christians and  general and jordan are so few there's only between four to six percent christians in jordan and then they actually limit them their ability to convert muslims so the number of hostile acts is even smaller the us country report brutal fashion so yes we have to correlate this as the immigration judge did and find that he had similar to travel to these women who are subject to honor killings they have been active after have been run over by cars they've been shot multiple times in the head immigration judge that he will be tortured and killed to be a stand the immigration judge on this record says the p r a his conflating two concepts there's no evidence he'd be tortured he just might be killed but it doesn't we don't see that he'd be tortured that's my question where is the evidence he would be tortured ok there is no evidence on the pa sites as far as whether or not how they would be killed the evidence on the record shows that they would be subject to honor killings because the syria says mandates a crime of death for apostasy but the regulations definition of torture also includes a threat of imminent that we're talking about torturing and if our country consistent with his constitution tortured people i suppose those people will be able to get protection under this convention if they went to another country but you're saying the mere number three that honor killings may be imposed where people violate religious law there for a number for this this fellow could expect to be killed like those women that that fact let me ask you one more thing before you sit down on a different topic the rest brief doesn't raise it in this way so it may be that it's not in the case i don't know why isn't there failure to exhaust because he did not perfect sense appeal or his petition for review before this court as i recall he logged on as asylum claim he petitioned for granted a cat really and under if you had been granted asylum really it was you could be granted asylum really because he was an aggravated felon so at that point there was no direct appeal to this court because of iraq he had to go directly to preclude him from raising the claims that the very claims that he was going to raise and that that he raised in their petition for review again before they gave us court counsellor says your time is running out i'd like to move to another issue that i think the issue of race in its writing has been raised at least about when he was asked he said quote i sure could live in the capital however it's just it's a matter of finances finally when he was asked if you live in the capital you could practice your christian christianity he answered ye the case came in this posture in the district court to what was provided by and what we're going to get that and i gather and ask your adversary about this too i gather that once we examine the administrative record it will be unambiguous that need him admitted that he would be safe from this into religious joy if he lived in a mind set right probably could live there but it was in the current case and several other questions and as i read it and i'll go back and re read it it did not indicate i got that statement that he were feel secret from his family that he could do that and that he wasn't sure whether that would be the case or not however his effects to the questions i think provide substantial evidence to support the board's decision it's just burden of proof it's more likely than not that he'll be tortured  not effectively prosecuted in a lot of arab countries but they relate to these in a religious things as opposed to just sex the department of state report does state that muslims to convert complain of quote ok it also says that they may be legally deny their property and other rights but then it says that this principle is not applied there's nothing in the so so even those lesser say prohibitions aren't even apply and there's no evidence in the departments that report that shows that honor killings were applied to males who converted from christianity and you haven't seen this is just the opposite that they don't even apply in the other court room and then we'll come out of the liberations come back into this courtroom and hear the case you probably want to stay around i'm sure it'll just be a matter of minutes will recess until the lawyers