so forth and argento or any member of the audience can come up here and speak to a non agenda item for up to five minutes there anybody would like to speak to council the ceiling on a non agenda item all right seeing none will move off move on or off to unfinished business the first item on your unfinished business and the only item under unfinished business i guess is appointments to the youth commission i'd like to thank all of you guys for hearing what we had to say and i did send out an e mail prior to this and i'm assuming that most of you've received it so you briefly outlined where we or you know what our concerns were and some of our issues voting i did a lot of due diligence to find out what the requirements are in the ordinances and during that time my mirror what type of lines and product lines we carry and some of them are very upscale higher end product lines in order to carry those lines to market and merchandise them in certain ways that are acceptable with some of the higher end companies when we also looked at some of the ordinances with the signs  only available to do one sign and one podium sign we also belong to a buying group that's called carpets class color tile and it is a four color logo so in an effort to try and work within the ordinances  we did we had decided and budgeted to do the digital sign in the middle of our podium and proceeded with the purchase of the building and went ahead with the financing and all the construction and work with the arc attacks only to find out that somewhere in the midst of the zoning had changed and when we went to file for the signed permit we found that what we had planned to do and what would accommodate my vendors and what i needed to in order to conduct business wasn't possible so we've invested a considerable amount of money and time renovating the property and i think most of you know what it is the auditor now and owning you know i've had very very favorable responses i think we've done a very upscale very tasteful type of design with that and in keeping with that same taste we want our signage which is probably one of the most important things to be able to promote in the same fashion and we try to do what we had attempted to do with the digital what the council i guess has restricted now is that you can only use red or amber and so we put together some photos that depict what the room scene would look like which one of the things that we want to do with this and you know i'd like to bring that up now since the pictures here is we want to be able to advertise and bring things back to the community now where we probably once a week somebody is asking us to sponsor something to contribute or support all of the different community events and things like that and we're happy to do that and in fact we want to do that we want to give back to the community so we would like to be able to promote things that are available or things that are going on such as even use plain white and if you've noticed that's what we've done with the rest of our signage it is just basically cream black and white very basic and if we were going to do any kind of  in full color so we literally just put it in a digital form to show what it could look like and it looks i think everybody would agree one hundred times better it's kind of like a picture speaks a thousand words as opposed to doing it in the solid red which products that way but without bargaining it down to something that i feel is more bargain basement and red and then the amber i think most people that we've talked to would agree we're not selling ninety nine cent pop bottles or you know bargain you know whatever him her as we are selling products that are that are thousands of dollars to most people and we're trying to bring those products to the community and the only way to do that is to be able to do it with full color images that aren't that aren't flashing they aren't animated they change instantaneously it's just the same as i think i mentioned in my letter if you have a picture frame in your living room that you load pictures on and it changes it's not offensive at all it's just a very pleasing automatic change from one image to the n this is our buying group which we are required to display outside of our building has to have outdoor signage and in this form it is allowed for buying when i did our due diligence to buy this building that was allowed and so i proceeded based on what was currently within the ordinances it's not that i'm i bought the building and i'm trying to come back after the fact and say well ok my buying group requires this knowing it to do it because i know that the township isn't required to do anything but i didn't i didn't do that prior to coming here so when we went we file for a variance and the more we dug into it and the more we talked with other business owners the more that we talk with residents and then the planning commission and also the hearing board they already agreement that this is a much more pleasing to the i am much more professional and nice are looking image than the solid runner amber so they felt that addressing council would be the better means and raising families i've been here for nine years not just a business owner i totally agree with that we are on the route one thousand corridor that is you know a commercial area and there are ways to control what might possibly be the concerns that are thin in the past for digital because technology has really come a long way and i don't think any of that has been presented to councils we did bring some information shows with a sign vendor and he actually does gave me a wonderful piece of information that we just  like they have a built in dimmer control so that it's the vigils designed to be as bright as possible during the day because of the sunlight but it night it automatically turns down and their settings and there's levels that it can be said for so that it now it's not full blast you know the scrolling in the flashing in the different things that a sign can do and there's building it just missed just to solve all that if the target doesn't allow it so we're just asking for static images to show her product i mean instead of just text well i think the issue is when we recently did the sign ordinance we were trying to accomplish several things which is to control electronic signs and keep them somewhat consistent throughout the touch of us and we don't have a mishmash of rioting different things occurring and certainly with a lot of different flashy type agree with mr berquist i was not really fond of the black and black and amber very bland and i do agree that the technology is just already in this short time come a long way to where the images are really very nice even compared to some of the digital ones that change across the existing signs so i would i would support that i i would agree though that we need to be very particular about where they belong and where they're allowed the washington road area is our prime commercial and i would say that would be probably the most likely place where they could be used i don't think that necessarily moving electronic signs out to the town center here or into residential areas is really where i would go but i would be willing to consider that change in an ordinance the other thing i would if we do go ahead and a them to look at it i would i would like to talk about what the overall size of the signage is if i remember and perhaps i'm not correct you have that morning that signed with your name and then the digital  then you got a variance for sign on the side because of the way your stories that you also have a sign across the front of the building we have it on the building itself in the middle section where the old ethan allen sign was if you look at the structure of the voting it's really the only place to put a sign there is even if we were to try to get americans to have an additional sign or something else on the voting there's really no place for it wouldn't you from up to fifty one we have all these pictures show the front of the voting and really the most tasteful and you know the easiest in cleanest method is really underneath it so we went under the existing structure on the size and we actually took half of that and made it static static just you know the ascii floors and then the bottom see that the use that the current ones that are existing are serving the function for which i would think the owners would like they are not shows to put meet it's very difficult to understand commend you for having made a very attractive girl thank you ok but it's very difficult for me to understand that the two most attractive buildings on a route nineteen are for dead instead of accommodating with an attractive from well landscape encouraging people to say hey this looks like an interesting place to start to meet the money to survey our community and make recommendations that were the first things i heard them say is our commercial district is not up to par with what one would expect to see in a residential community the character do with the current digital imagery that's allowed so it's not i is a much about promoting or having somebody stop its being able to let them know that we have these lines these more especially lines that you can find everywhere you're able to in order to have those lines were required as vendors to make a commitment to them some of it is financially as well as committing to certain means of advertising in according to the are guidelines and so to speak which are full color a lot of them are full color magazines full color advertising whether it be billboards or you know in your own building for instance the billboard that is within seconds of our store floors advertises in full color and they have a tie they have to carry stands al that i'm watched for over a month as i every day as i went to work and said i'm not allowed to do that but they can and they're not supporting the community they're not giving back to the community like we are on a daily basis and i have also seen the same thing with the jeweler with louis anthony these are businesses that are even in our community and we have invested in my case millions and are trying to be able to promote those products and again in a tasteful upscale manner which can be controlled with the language that you even like i was reading some of the language in there within the billboards and it's great really covers that animation and that flash it talks about brightness and dennis and one of the things that joe didn't really touch base with illness and i really do want you guys to have a copy of this and this has brightness adjustments versus brightness restrictions and it said prior to two thousand and eleven the brightness settings signs could be adjusted up or down by their service department but the newest version of these sign have a daytime and evening brightness settings to be set individually they have the ability to provide local zoning and planning authorities with certainty that their gain evening municipal light restriction codes will be followed about whole time in transition restrictions that the signs are now have a rule a preset or reset according to the whole time and transition regulations in the communities where they will be placed and it goes on to elaborate the back the higher in science and i've done a lot of research on this since i found out about it and i learned a lot as joe was telling me is that the site the single color signs today coming out of china  very very inexpensive the prices keep going down and they're taking what was indoor signage that you can hang in your windows and putting some silicone and some different coating animal calling them outdoor signs these signs don't have all of the things that the township really needs you can't control the brightness levels you can't get the same picture polity as you can with the more expensive and more professional signs in the end nations are much crazier you know in a lesser expensive there they get more flashy scrolling and they do more things that you really don't want to have for commercial business well the businesses that promote that people notwithstanding because you got to what changes we might make in the ordinance that would be consistent with trying to slightly altered proof or ordinance in like stacey said the way you have it written for electronic billboards  and then that would have to go through the process and you're looking at it used a couple of months to go through the legal process to have a public hearing and make a decision well i think that's what we need to do that we need a motion for that because m sits we're here to implement the two lot subdivision that was discussed previously during the conditional use request for this subdivision all of the standards and conditions that were applied there are still in force some of them are really related to the building permit process so some of them such as the storm water issues etc really are going to come about the law and enforced with time of the building permit but those that are a to the subdivision have been placed on here on this subdivision basically the purpose of this is to take a twenty nine her parcel sub divide off five acres for parcel eighty two of both  parcels of the parent and now size twenty four acre parcel in the new five acre parcel will have a deed restriction on them that they would not be required to do any further not be allowed to do any further subdivision until such times  public sewers are noble and when that takes place they will be no less than five acres in size and mr victor if you remind us this is the subdivision where the neighbors came to a mutual agreement about the landscaping and the grading landscaping grooming taking care of stormwater and the building setback lying to buildings that back line is shown here on the drawing and the other issues really are creating a landscaping stormwater will come forth at the time of the building permit for the house the applicant is fully aware that it's not going to be your normal building permit or you just come in with the architecture as we understand so be a full set of engineer drawings to specifically demonstrate compliance with when one question i'm in support and i do have a question i don't recall the topography and that when you begin construction is there are there any measures you need to take to protect downstream residents or down residents from runoff but definitely there will be because where the house construction will be located is the top of the ridge some of it will drain to the west where there are existing residents and then if it drains that which drains to the go on to the bastar property this property the site is large enough that it will require a n p t s permit in and control so there will be an erosion instrumentation control plan part of that what we've specifically would do we really haven't designed the full impact of it but the easy answer is yes there will be the intros they will be mandated because of the size of the development we've had we're experiencing another issue in another location related to that and i just wanted to bring the question out the plan lots to be twenty three thousand plus square feet they could meet them there are twenty two thousand to fifteen still with over half an acre and they were granted the variance to create this law at home the volcano's back hearing the words determination and the one question one sentence brought a question to my mind it said that the variance expired if the applicant failed to properly apply for a subdivision which they did and got it ok so that doesn't mean the recording of were gone up there but we really have a serious problem and it's not so much for here we're traffic and at the top this is the way to make woman looks and your line of sight is almost zero residential area changing so much we have dog walkers we have drugs coming all the way from the bottom of my bum way and people just up walking in the summertime and there's a tremendous amount of foot traffic there because i own the property from the top of maple wayne quite a distance down i've become the gate people of this it's got to the point i'm friedman the grass is that serious i've had well the only one of my daughter admits she found that had one c my backyard already i suspect there's probably more because we're not home a lot and i'm concerned i can't think of one good thing to say about i can think of one good thing to say about speed  counsel over the years is kind of one of speed lines let me tell you the only thing i can say good about speed bumps is they work it's not a matter of of the only thing you can do is put speed bumps and if you come out i'll show you would put you've got to put them on both sides of that peak so stop them from flying if you had peek at thirty forty miles an hour sometimes and guess who on the other side there's a jogger a walker somebody with their dogs and i'm telling you and i could because i'm here because i've been away i drove back here because after i saw this on the internet blast i'm telling you it's an of money you don't need the money if you're going to pay them come on over and have a cup of coffee with me and you take a walk with me in five minutes you're going to go no brainer right there right there maybe put two needs side it's raffic was coming down lexington sarah but i still think it's an appropriate consideration to put a sign up that says traffic from the right as the right away or similar to what we did  attention to people it's in there and we can put those up there in fact revise the requirements on how the wording on those go but we can do that we don't need to put that in an ordinance but it can be done i would think that astri the final one i want to do business would be a special permit request by the high school dance team for sign on the trailer for a dance camp fire is part of the national champions too that they are to say private sponsors does require if we were to do it a certificate of insurance on liability for two hundred fifty thousand a million and we have to i'm sure there's a difference know i mean they come over the hill and they don't leave it without a center and more they tend to be over toward the center where you want to have somebody look at it than you do with the next meeting you can make the same argument for springdale r west mcmurry road at the bend was stratford and i was rather serious accident and so you have an emergency situation where the cars are coming from can't work i was coming off a seventy nine in the middle laughed into stratford and the amount of the traffic in the speed even though you have no one stops and they flying through there and then you double or triple or quadruple the number of cars exposure in the rush hour time five o'clock when that accident occurred you could definitely realize why somebody would want to mention in terms of safety because i don't know that first hand in the measure dealing with an she did you receive information from school board about the open meetings for the superintendent interview process you know there was a release to the media that indicated that on march eleventh they were having a session that would include could include council people i just wondered if you were asked because that happens to be a council meeting you know n