scholarship and other things important to know for college athletic readiness as high school students begin the application process there are some who are eligible for scholarships and sports these students have the skills and talent to catch the attention of colleges that are interested in recruiting them for a sports team mr siegel thank you for joining me today thank you for having me so i know that as students are ready to graduate some are eligible for scholarships some athletic some academic so i figured that you have a very wide knowledge of scholarships and the process i'm going to start with a few  the basics ok my first question to you would be how is how are sports in high school different from sports in college ok i think in high school students participate in sports because they have an interest that they may have the developed since they are a child and so in high school students have the opportunity to continue to explore those opportunities and those interest in there but they're doing it more for the love of the sport as students move into college now those responses responsibilities take on a more professional interest and participation level and so that the level of dedication the students have to have is much greater i'm sure it's very it's also difficult to balance and sports college absolutely most let's say will talk about division one so there are three divisions of college athletics division one two and three division one be the most intense sports division so that's your penn state university university of alabama university of michigan those schools that fall in the to division one so those colleges do have limitations on the amount of per active participation the students may have they do limited to twenty hours on the field however they may have additional athletic responsibilities whether it's meeting time film time and so a lot of division one athletes end up putting forty to fifty hours toward their athletic career while in college would the scholarships that are being given now to athletes with a typically be in division one or were they more division two or three students are able to receive athletic scholarships at both division one and two colleges there are f leduc varsity sports at division three colleges but those schools are not able to give an athletic scholarship so those students would either receive academic scholarships or a financial aid package directly from the school as a result the n c a a eligibility center only tracks and monitors those students who participate in both vision one and two ok all right going off what do you call it is typically look for student athletes that they think are eligible to earn scholarships for their school well student athletes are performing a service for their college so in your division one athletes they're providing an entertainment for not only the student body but their alumni and so they are able to give  financial assistance to those students who are going to be bring a high level of talent in that specific sport so it's more it's also part of improving the school's reputation is having a very good sports to correct so division one athletics don't get a tremendous amount of money from the university itself they may just get a percentage typically it's a very small percentage toward athletic scholarships most of the money that they are able to offer students so let's say a student's going to play football at penn state most of that money is coming from t v revenue alumni donations  maybe funds that they're getting from the big ten and so that money typically is in the twenty to thirty million dollar range and they may only be getting say one or two million dollars from the university itself ok that's interesting to know is this also how cold just give full rides verses how they can give partial rides to students maybe less experience in this for some most students who are able to play college athletics if they are able to get a scholarship most of them are getting partial scholarships the full ride is a very infrequent commodity as far as student athletes go those students who get a full ride typically are going to university that does have a sizable athletic fund that they're able to to offer students that but even on those programs there are just a few select students that are getting a full ride in most cases students are getting some money so what would be considered a partial scholarship that is going toward their tuition and i know you mentioned earlier how colleges have a limited amount of money that they can use on the scholarship he said in the range of a million so athletic departments some athletic departments will get twenty or thirty million from their athletic fun but they will have several thousand athletes so it isn't just the say eighty five students student athletes that may be on the football team but it's women's volleyball or men's golf or men and women's swimming and diving so they disperse the money over all of the varsity sports not just the marquee sports ok that makes them where's the funding for this coming from  pays for students to come to the college so a large a large part is the alumni donations so that would be either people who went to the university and now are contributing back they get t v revenue so when say penn state or university alabama plays on t v they the colleges themselves get a certain amount of the revenue from being on t v they get money from the conference that they're in so in penn state's case they're in the big ten they get some of that financial package from all the games that are on television a small percentage does come from the university but most of it does come from community  briefly i keep hearing you mention the big ten yes i'm not very savvy as far as college sports go could you explain what that is so most division one schools fall into what are considered conferences and so the big ten is relevant to this area because that is the conference that penn state is a part of that's also a high zero state in michigan just to name a few but there is a southeast conference there is a pac ten so it's just the r group schools by their geographic location all right that makes that makes sense to me you know now moving on to i know for scholarships involves money a lot of the time but i've also heard of recruitment for college sports what is the difference between scholarship tree so the scholarship is the end process once a student commits to going to school if they're able to offer them money that they would help pay for their education but the recruitment process begins oftentimes when the student athlete is even as early as ninth grade and so this may be students not only play for school varsity sports but may play on  teams or travel teams altai school and so catch the eye of scout scouts so most colleges have scouts that go out across the country to look for prospective student athletes and so as the student makes their way through high school there are rules and regulations that determine how much time a member of the coaching staff can reach out to potential student athlete and that's the recruitment process so they may send out an e mail or a tweet seeing if the student is interested they may go to a game to see this dude in action they may ask for a video of of the student's performance in games that they're not able to attend any time before the senior year this the college can offer a verbal agreement and so what that just means is they say we're going to sign you but that's not binding they can change their mind in the student athlete can change their mind in the fall of their senior year the student would sign a contract if offered a scholarship ok yeah so it's not you want to choose one or the other it's not a choice but it wouldn't be one or the other recruitment versus scholarship it's all correct part of one price that's it absolutely correct that makes sense so additionally there are clubs and there are teams for colleges correct what is the difference here so clubs are not part of the varsity experience clubs are i guess what a high school would be like a rec league or intermural so the collegiate level they do play other colleges typically within the same town or city but don't have the budget  city's board with half ok so for the actual process of obtaining a scholarship are you supposed to apply for an athletic scholarship to college scouts just find students out there interested and so through the recruitment process they find the students that they want to come to their university if the student sides to go to that college that's when they would offer that scholarship money ok so the admissions process would be much different for the students as far as applying for college correct would they have to do something different than a regular student i know it's a problem it's different it is much different if if a college has the intent of signing a student to a scholarship they would typically have the student apply during the early decision early action timeline and then the athletic office would help with that admissions process on the just side of things ok so i guess the benefit of that would be that a student may be able to get into a college that they don't necessarily have the academic  prerequisites to get into those far as g p a or s a t s but because they are the colleges interested in having them play a sport they are able to get them in so you said that students may not need their academics to get into college mostly based on sports why is it still important to keep up your grades even if you're looking to get likes so it just depends on the school some colleges will want the students still to be within a ballpark so let's say a student needed to have a three eight to get into a specific college they may want to student athletes have a three five at least be in close proximity to its normal  standards some colleges will you know as long as the student meets a minimum academic criteria that they would be able to accept them ok well right now i think we're going to take a brief commercial break because we have so much to cover ok whenever we come back we will continue talking about the process of obtaining a scholarship and more information cared about and i'd be over thinking about what happened in iraq three months ago you're almost like a stranger when you come back everything is different to your kind of discombobulated people were asking me how it was but i got the sound stage couldn't relate to what i had been through so i just stopped talking about it it made a tremendous difference in my life when i chose to get help in hindsight it probably saved my life save my marriage i personally believe that i'm also a better soldier sometimes when you come home welcome back to the scoop i'm telling donal and joining me today is mr jeffs where in the middle of talking about college scholarships how to obtain one another important information right now in the middle of discussing the process of obtaining a college scholarship so we're back again i would like to continue our conversation with why don't some schools offer college scholarships such as ivy league schools so i academics but because that is their focus they will provide academic scholarships and financial aid they just do not provide athletic scholarships and the ivy league schools do have a large and down and so much like some of your division one athletic programs have a large athletic fund ivy league schools have a large and dominant that their alumni and corporations contribute to and there's are even more impressive in their in not it's there often the most capable of paying for students right students that attend ivy league schools most students will receive some financial assistance that goes toward that s just as an example we were discussing earlier that some athletic scholarship funds may be in the twenty to thirty million dollars range a few used a few years ago harvard's academic and down it was one billion dollars and so they actually have a finance financial analysts that manages that account so they owe a lot of students will receive a substantial amount of money for their academic career all right so transitioning from talking about ivy league schools to back back to the regular scholarships ok what would be best to consider before accepting a scholarship to go well i think a student needs to really consider all of the facets of a college and in addition to that the commitment that they're making toward a college so i think that you know a lot of student athletes get caught up in the sort of the fame or the glitter of the lights of  playing college athletics and certainly it is a wonderful opportunity some students are able to go to schools like you know we discussed earlier that maybe they would not have gotten into otherwise but there is a substantial time commitment and so when students play sports in college a specially division one sports a large portion of their life is dedicated to that sport as we mentioned probably forty or fifty hours are spent with that team whether it's on the field or in the weight room or training or with physical trainers or watching film and so the student athlete often doesn't have this team type of college experience that let's say a regular student might have so a regular student might go to college go to class be able to you know go out with their friends or go out socially or go out in town and sometimes student athletes don't have those opportunities because a lot of that time is spent with the team that they have committed to you know talks at the beginning of this you know briefly mentioned that it would be difficult to balance school and their sports team how often do athletes practice leave it in season most will practice six days a week and you know so as i mentioned that's not necessarily always on the quarter in the pool or on the field that they may be the training room watching video of opponents traveling a lot of these student athletes are traveling a substantial distance sometimes they're on airplanes and spending time in hotels and so i guess if you think about your life now in going to class imagine going being in an eleven o'clock sociology class and then think flying across the country to play in a vent and still having to maintain you know your studies and trying to do the best you can so it is a challenging feat it's obviously much more of a commitment than high school absolutely during that you're flying across the country practicing every day i want to add that i know some schools like you mentioned they want their athletes to watch other teen so it's not just practicing physically it's also analyzing corrected it is a mental there is a mental component to that  a lot of strategy the the benefit of all that time with the team is that they do have required study hours so teams are often meeting in a in a library they have to be in the library with the teams tutors or that typically a person oversees their academics there's typically a person that does track how they're doing in every class every day so that is a benefit that probably a lot of students who are not student athletes may benefit from having that much encourage mentor support academically student athletes get that because they are spending so much time sort of away from school traveling and so they need that extra support i should consider when depending on the the level of the division of the school or the sport they're playing in i think what they need to realize is that commitment oftentimes takes a precedence although th student is in college to get an education and the support in seemingly would be secondary sometime that for takes a higher role for instance a student may want to take a class in the evening but they would not be able to because they have practice schedule that that time so there are those sort of factors that go into students semesters to semester education that  there is always the risk of getting hurt you know typically a lot of colleges will honor a if a student does get a scholarship and they sustain an injury in which they're not a pebble to apply a lot of colleges will still honor that scholarship but that is a risk that now you know additions trying to learn students place themselves in a position where they could sustain a serious injury what kind of achievements or recognition could students that get recruited get a scholarship or are just on a sports team in college what kind of recognition or achievements can they earn certainly and sure the ultimate dream recognition is for this the and to move on some play at a professional level but you know i think year to year since they do they can get all american status so they're recognize across the country for their athletic achievements but  varsity sports also spend a lot of time recognizing the students academic accomplishments as well so i know each year you know they do make a big deal of the students performance in the classrooms as well and so they sort of announce those things either eight games or to their alumni and their fans as well so they try to make sure that their fans are understanding that the students aren't just there to play a sport but they're also there to achieve in the classroom that's very good to hear actually that college is still value academic excellence that being said if i'm sorry if the citizens academics start to slip is there a chance that they could be kicked off the team the students do need to maintain a certain g p a in order to maintain both their scholarship and the participation but unlike the non student athlete there are a lot of supports in place to try to ensure that that does not happen so they do have as a sort of mentor they have a tutor assigned to the team they have man it's mandatory study hours to make sure that the students are eligible from semester to semester but it does occur that sometimes their their attention goes away from those studies and so would become ineligible and once are ineligible they cannot participate with the team at all and allow that's i did not know that i'm sure many other people did not know that that's very useful  transitioning from the process of getting a scholarship and going back to preparing for college ok how young do students who typically earn scholarships how young do they usually start their activities and when do they serve their most students who end up playing collegiate sports probably have been produced of a game that's bored most of their life but it does happen that students will pick up a sport in high school and just have an affinity toward it and so are able to progress through their talent very quickly and typically the scout is able to see that they have to have sort of considered a raw natural talent that they're you know hoping then to continue to help the student grow but more often the students are have been participate those activities most of their life when do college scouts typically look for possible scholarship students for scholarships during their high school so they will they will start tracking students as early as freshman sometimes even in eighth grade depending on the travel team that they participate in but students are not a they're not able to actually commit any scholarship money until the student is a senior in high school to any mention or notion or promise or thought of a scholarship coach or staff might have with the student is purely speculative before their senior year ok yeah i remember hearing that coaches can always their students who they're interested in correct correct the head coach can contact them until very late in their high school experience and even at that they're only allowed to contact them so many times  if a head coach were to reach out to a student who is just in ninth or tenth grade and have a formal visit they could end up receiving sanctions from the n c a a and the typically that results in that college losing scholarships but that's good to know and well so that students from my background information i know students can contact the coaches but the coaches can always contact us to correct correct so we try to encourage here is that there is an eligibility center it's on the n c a a s website and so really encouraging student athletes that even even have the thought of participating college that they sign up for an account very early in the process  even in ninth grade and so that allows college coaches to see what type of course work they're taking throughout high school to see if they are a good match for their college so maybe an ivy league school or a highly ranked academic school but also to make sure that they're not violate violating any type of recruiting or professional violations that they might have through high school well i think that's all the time that we have  for today hopefully the information that we provided to you today could be of use in the future or anything that you need for college scholarships for more information i know that you can contact the guidance office absolutely township i school