good evening we're here just a little bit around seven o'clock glad to have you here in this new year twenty sixteen that came fast and we didn't really have a winter and all of a sudden we got to january which could probably change on monday and tuesday but we are in ten twenty sixteen and we are thankful for having had a peaceful holiday season we appreciate all those in public safety who helped keep us safe through that time period working around the clock and helping us i'm sure in another year and it's a fresh start for all of us so thank you for being here this evening we need a roll call to make sure we have a 're going to start with what we have started with for several decades an opening prayer led by our council member bryan lynn and after that we'll have the pledge of allegiance please stand if you are able to join us you will work as we continue to undertake the war as community leaders let us be affirmed by the servant leadership we witnessed in your example let us walk in the path you have set and let those who will follow let our greatest passion be compassion our greatest strength love our greatest victory the reward of peace in leading let us never fail to follow in loving let us never fail amen thank you brian we will now have anna up a interim city clerk to tell us what the at numbers are what the items are on the consent agenda she will be reading through all of these and if that's all right with you we will be passing with one motion all of those things that we have already spoken about in other previous meetings but if you came here tonight to talk about one of those items that's on the consent agenda after she some all we will give you an opportunity to come forward and take any of those items off that she would like to address in that sequence through the meeting and item four eight to excuse the absence of council member to through each item  to approve the minutes of the regular session have the summer sixteenth two thousand and fifteen item for c to accept and file executed out of office from various boards and commissions item six b six c six and six aft to approve as submitted on november eighteenth two thousand and fifteen the appointment of consul member to sui as mayor pro tem to adopt resolutions for meetings of council list of the positive funds for both city and how on board of public works and for the planning  n shake for pipeline right away easement as prepared by the city attorney and authorized the mayor and clerk to sign item twelve c one to approve the amended declaration and the non disturbance in a turn meant agreement with e aviation services and authorized the mayor and clerk to sign said agreement twelve the one to refer a claim filed against the city to the city's insurance carrier in city attorney for consideration item twelve d two to approve a pawnbroker license submitted by christine miller to be located at seven sixty three east eighth street item twelve three point one to approve the payment of fourteen thousand one hundred forty eight dollars and sixty three cents to versed in boiler and repair company for repairs to be made to the city's greenhouse boiler item twelve efore point one to prove the purchase of three two thousand and sixteen ford pickup trucks from barbara ford at a total cost of seventy nine thousand seven thirty eight three chevrolet at a total cost of fifty three thousand nine hundred ninety four to ford fusions from barbara ford at a total cost of thirty four thousand six hundred sixty two and one chevrolet from birger chevrolet at a total at a cost of twenty one thousand to seventy two for an overall cost of one hundred eighty nine thousand six hundred sixty six to be paid from the centralized funds for use in the parks department and public safety services property owners and to authorize the mayor and deputy clerk to sign documents as needed twelve point one to authorize the fire division staff to submit an application to the assistant to firefighters grant program to secure funds for the replacement of the department's rescue boat the amount of one hundred twenty five thousand or less authorize a budget amendment to fund the required ten percent match of twelve thousand five hundred from the far your vehicle replacement fund if awarded twelve east six point two two except as information the georgetown university energy price biggest loser challenge up to twelve east six point three to accept as information the city of howland's crisis response plan addressing racial bias incidents as developed by the human relations commission twelve east six point four to schedule a public hearing produce a new read twenty two thousand and sixteen to obtain comments on the proposed how unsmart zone local development finance authority tax increment financing play and and development plan and twelve east six point five to adopt a resolution approving the clear energy plan and to set a public hearing for the regular city council meeting on january twentieth two thousand and sixteen for the development of the bill loan program as described implementation guide thank you and now is there anyone who would like one of those items removed to be handled in its sequence as a part of our discussion just come to the podium tell us your name and address and which one you'd like removed doesn't look like anyone's interested ok anyone on council want to remove anything from the agenda the consent agenda oh all right seeing men we go then to special order  mayor yes motion thank you now we are on to the special order of the day which we will open with the disposition replacement of city property explanation in a public hearing thank you madam mayor i would like to introduce janet cowher who has been handling this matter pretty much exclusively this is as something a council as discussed in study session number of times and has said tonight for the public hearing i will say that the recommendation tonight is to not act on this rather wait until january second for development agreement so after you h public hearing if you consider a motion to table until january twentieth dana use that time to get the microphone in place i apologize about that for that slight delay there will good evening a man a mayor and members a city council thank you for a few moments on your agenda this evening to introduce the information regarding the public hearing i just want to prevent present some information to make sure everyone that is here today and listening in later or currently has that information the city council considered a request to set a public hearing to potentially dispose of property at forty four west eighth street which is located on the screen that you're seeing which is an existing public parking lot in the city of holland in exchange for property immediately adjacent to and behind fifty four west street which is located just next to that particular piece of property with front on ninth street on october twenty eighth a public hearing was set for this evening and done so in early november to meet the required thirty day minimum notice period acquisition of the city's public park city parking lot of forty four west street would enable a complete streetscape redevelopment on the south side of the eighth street from river excuse me from river to prime along in this area although a loss of thirty five parking spaces would occur the property owner is proposing a land swap on ninth street that would provide immediate replacement of those parking spaces and moving forward in additional number of parking spaces through reconfiguration and striping of the existing in new paved areas  exhibit b here that you are seeing on the screen shows the proposed parking configuration of the area after the demolition excuse me of the rear industrial portion of the sentinel building as noted on this ex t there will be approximately one hundred three parking spaces provided in this area following that removal of that space that is pending however in review and approval by the appropriate city staff and boards and commissions through the normal process a few of those spaces will be reserved for residential and commercial tenant use and the remainder will be used for public parking in addition twenty eight temporary spaces in the current city lot excuse me the current city lot would continue to be available until a building project does occur in that area so following the improvements that occur no additional changes in terms of parking a removal excuse me of the existing parking spaces will occur until a development actually occurs and october twenty second a meeting was held with the property and business owners located on river avenue between eighth and ninth streets in the businesses in the area utilize the parking in question with four excuse me customer parking and four deliveries in that area response to the proposed changes has been positive there are some areas that we need to continue to discuss discuss excuse me to ensure mutually beneficial for for the properties and we'll continue between the private developer and our staff to continue to work with the properties to make sure that we're working together in a in a beneficial  way the principal shopping district in the downtown development authority and the downtown parking boards have reviewed about a conceptual plan in our supportive of the parking lot exchange and provided parking lot improvements include trees planning and other site amenities that are consistent with the rest of the downtown how our downtown her home and excuse me a formal development agreement is being prepared to address the timeline and other details of the parking agreement and the arrangement and we will be forwarding that agreement and resolution prior to recommended action on january twenty second or twentieth excuse me podium walk up to the podium give us your name and address and you're welcome to something my name my name is bruce greenlee my wife i live in holland heights on seven seven two east tenth i'm just curious some were relatively new to holland been here ok lynn and hook struck at the two with that thank you very much thank you dana you're welcome thank you exciting things come in and twenty sixteen yes thank you great  biannually we review the rules the council and those are rules for the council for the meetings that are presented in front of us and reviewing those with the mayor and also with the council we have made some slight adjustments nothing out of the order to marry so we're asking is for approval of those amended rules council ok thank you we open this up for  need the adoption of listed administrative officials to the planning commission and i believe those were inserted in the packet is all we need is just approval for that right so we need public comment that now ok so i need a motion through white men supported by onto the traffic change which brings us ryan to brian white our director of transportation all things roads and everything that relates to them thank you brian yes thank you  air i believe we have to remove this from table oh yes i would like to do that motion to remove from table ok it's a hoekstra whiteman combination there he can move it whiteman an extra oh good evening madam mayor and council members this is a subject that came up at the traffic committee meeting quite some time ago by a business owner that's on the route and basically what it involves is  think we may hear more from them at the public meeting but just to go over what the recommendation is basically right here if you look at the screen here along the south side of twenty four s those vehicles off of the roadway and keep that area clear the other thing the the other change that we're proposing here is actually to allow some on street parking on the north side of twenty fourth street between the driveway here into better and about one hundred to two hundred feet away from the intersection here we'd like to keep the intersection open obviously for a line of si so so those are the really the two main changes that we're proposing with this overall look at the the roadway there would be parking allowed along the north side of the road in front of the better facility there and then there we would also maintain no parking on school days and front of the residential area also on the north side there so basically what we're just a macro view of this thing we're to be permitting parking on the north side of twenty fourth street and basically the limitations on parking would be on the south side of twenty fourth street so another thing in this this again comes from you know talking a long term approach i do believe there are some possibilities to create some pockets of parking through there but i do believe that those pockets would would have to be oriented in such a way that they they would they would not facilitate truck parking they'd be short enough small enough so that trucks wouldn't be able to maneuver in there and park just a couple of vehicles and then you know we could green up the rest of that space with some green space that would also provide some some stormwater benefit so so i do think there's a long term approach there that could see some parking potentially on the south side but i do think that would have to come with some some road approved mats either weather resurfacing projects or some kind of other  construction projects so as it stands right now the recommendation is to go ahead and approve the parking restrictions as they're proposed here with the idea that we would certainly look at this again with the resurfacing program ok thank you very does there anyone in the audience that came here in order to speak to this if so please come up to the podium give us your name and address and you have did i didn't know about this talking about some extra parking that you might want to be looking at that's wonderful thirteen years ago we bought this building and it was condemned the city of holland came out to us after we said we want to buy it fix it up and he said that's wonderful and we said well what about those signs up to the single parking we want to park there because that's where our employees need to be so don't worry because ordinance number thirteen ninety three of the holland city says parking between uncurbed street and sidewalk where any street is lacking a curb on street parking is permitted he said ok as long as the parked vehicle is not in violation of any city ordinance will a city ordinance that says we can do is not in violation of the ordinance he said worry we're going to ticket you if you park there and i asked why the signs are in the first place i don't know was the answer el mcginn came out looked at it said oh this is great we're glad to do this anyway everything was great for thirteen years we're going strong everything's wonderful better when they took over the hydro plant they got so much busier which is a wonderful thing i love it when businesses do good and i'd come happy to see that they're doing well problem is the gate that they have for the trucks to go in isn't white nuff they have to swing out on to that portion that we park and they're digging up the pavement that's why we call this it can something be done the answer we got was we can't put a no parking for trucks only sign that would be discriminating against the trucks well what the heck is a truck route then you're telling trucks they have to drive on that street they can't drive another streets that's just saying that we all understand trucks are big and they can't go in normal places that cars can go at times we want to keep them off the streets ok so then why can't we put up signs that say no truck parking you know please we can park there so i don't understand this the other thing i don't understand if you look at the street with off curb parking when my employees parked there which  separate thirteen years they haven't suddenly we got a ticket the other day but anyway they park off the street there between the sidewalk in the street they are not taking up any of the streets pavement at all if you allow parking the north side of twenty fourth street that's a curb they're going to park on the street and we're going to narrow the amount of pavement that cars can now use we're narrowing twenty four street i've got pictures here of cars going down the streets especially at like two thirty in the afternoon if you want to see the so we have to bring it up to you we've got a couple of pictures here the cars actually go to wide next to each other in the streets not designed for that but the kids that  want to get out of there and they get side by side the ones who want to turn right go right go on to go straight go straight if we put cars on that road we're going to narrow it again these kids can't do that it's going to bottle up traffic even more i don't understand why we would go against a city ordinance and say you can't park there anymore parked cars on the side of the street it's going to narrow the street then you take away parking from me from my business you're hurting my business doesn't seem like a good thing to do  i'm happy to hear that you are considering buy and that maybe we put pockets of parking in there that might work and you know i don't know about pat neal is here too he has a business there also that might work i'd love to talk about that we can do about that but as the ordinance is or as the whatever this is is written it won't work for us it's going to hurt us i don't think that's what this council has in mind to i got to say thank you sir they have more it's been like i thank you five minutes all right they are right i'm pat any of us i own part of the building on twenty four street and auto avenue hank is one of the condo owners basically there's three condominiums within that building on auto avenue and twenty fourth has a section i have a section and tommy car wash has a section i was here for the october seventh meeting i was one who commented on the parking prayer i call it parallel parking on twenty fourth street there is a sign up there says no parking this side of the street it's hanging on a telephone pole  we don't park on twenty four st it's that we park on the apron off of twenty fourth street there's roughly ten and a half feet between the edge of the road it's an apron that goes up to the concrete which is a sidewalk in this ten and a half feet more than enough room for cars to parallel park we've been parking there some fifteen years we ran into trouble this past summer as bentley got busier and they needed to move trucks in trucks that are foot long as the trucks migrated in and out of the entrance to the gate they needed to drive not only on the apron but on the sidewalk at one point in time they actually hit the landscaping wall adjacent to the sidewalk so there are some twenty plus feet off the road driving on the sidewalk it's not my problem that bentley or has a gate that doesn't meet code for eager us entrance and  they can easily get into their facility off a twenty four street they can easily get into presumably off of ottawa ave they choose to do most of their truck traffic off of twenty four st it would make a lot more sense to have them do their truck traffic off of otto ave i would like to see the ability to park on this ten foot apron in front of my building where i had parked for the last fifteen years hank and i have maintained twenty four street there's a picture that brian might show you of a snow pile at the moment we got a little behind on the first snow fall but we plow from the edge of twenty four just from the edge of otto avenue we plow the length of the building some four hundred feet we plowed not only the apron but we plow the sidewalk as well rarely rarely is a sidewalk ever plowed for the kids to walk on it is one of the last places in the city of holland where they do any snow removal for kids so it's a benefit for us to plow the snow we park our car there the kids got a safe place to walk you'll see in the picture of bryan puts it up you'll see that it hasn't been plowed yet i'd like to maintain parking in front of our building i believe it makes it a safe place for kids to walk on the sidewalk specifically if there's a parked car there the car can be act as a barrier between the edge of the road the car parked in this in this apron prior to the sidewalk the kids would be a lot safer walking next to a parked car than doll out truck traffic pulling in and out of it we don't impede any visibility with any parallel parking on twenty fourth street because we're at least fifty to one hundred fifty feet away from the intersection of otto avenue it was interesting that these meetings were conducted with bent lawyer and the city and how in public school hank wasn't contacted i wasn't contacted nor was tommy carwash the business a pertinent adjacent to this none of us were contacted i was at the council meeting none of us were contacted so although these plans and all this rework of all these parking spaces why wouldn't you contact the local business owner you'll see later on in this topic tonight that they're all the way the way we park in front of our building is the way they park in front of jefferson school i'm going roll t ave they do the same thing they plow snow parallel on the apron and they parallel park off of n roll t in front of  done the same way for fifteen to twenty years just something to consider you have parallel parking out an apron on seventh street adjacent to the city parking and adjacent to city view we're asking the same type of handling at our proceed at our facility as as hank said in what was said earlier i approached the city on it about putting up a sign that no truck parking i was told you can't put up a sign this is no truck parking because it's discriminatory i don't understand it so that's it thank you sir do a beautiful job at those businesses every time i drive i think somebody's ordinance in its entirety and i guess i want to make it clear to you that there are parking prohibitions no parking signs out there now and those were put in place i believe through through this same process back in the ninety's we do you know back in the mid ninety's i think pat you had mentioned too that your brother may have been even involved in that but we do actually have that on record that that no parking and it it actually does indicate in that record that those signs and you know the spacing on those signs according to our records are pretty much matching up at the polls there where those signs are located so you know granted there's some general or ordinance language out there but there is no parking resolution that was done back in the mid ninety's to get us to where we are right now with the no parking there  just to comment on a couple other things too that was discussed a couple of things with regard to contacts you know we certainly received the input that was sent on to to the traffic committee via e mail and conveyed to us what we tried to do is just get input from everybody else as well just to get the full picture so certainly there wasn't an intent you know to not get input  just simply trying to get input from everybody in that regard and we did earlier this week you know i put a phone call into pat last week just to try and get in touch with him to let him know kind of you know that this was occurring and we're going to be talking about it tonight we did actually meet earlier this week to and you know based on that meeting i guess i i certainly see the long term possibilities here but in the short term i  think to keep things status quo with a little bit of change to the language i think is probably the appropriate way to go with the idea that i think we can do better in the future with some small pockets of parking there it could be pretty easily cleared from a snow perspective in piled up in the green space that we could create next to those areas and really avoid any concerns with piling up snow that may you know prevent the use  sidewalk or something like that just because you've got snow storage areas then between these little pockets of parking that you could you could pile some of that stuff on i know i'm getting into the weeds here a little bit but but just want to kind of draw the picture of what you know that could look like down the road we did also talk about we're certainly share the concerns about the truck movements there with with bentley or they have looked at doing some work on their driveway approaching their gate area  i believe they've gotten some quotes as well to change some things around one of the things and i'm not familiar enough with the members operation to understand how easy it would be for them to change their internal traffic flow to get up an approach off i don't know certainly makes sense to me so i think that's something that we can go back to better with just to see if they can we take these trucks completely off of twenty four street makes a lot of sense and see once if they can do those movements from there how do i have a new approach again something that's easily said without knowing what their internal traffic patterns may be so certainly something will pass onto to butler so so that's i can park there again orange for now no and we'll talk about it later yeah so right now it's posted no parking yeah we'd like to keep that posted no parking and but what we would do is add the the no stopping and standing so the trucks would not queue up and idle there ok so there would not be it would basically be just an area that could be used for snow storage or so it's something like new status quo old status quo  talked about this earlier but this notion of bendtner and their having to pull up onto the sidewalk to be able to get into their drive they're getting quotes sounds like to alleviate that problem but it seems like there there may be more obligation on their part to make sure that their traffic flow is on the road the way it should be in their act leg accessing their property in a in a proper manner it seems like for them to be swinging out over the sidewalk and even hitting some of the building and would to make that turn on twenty fourth street it seems like that's more than just a casual conversation it seems like there's some a maybe have a serious conversation yeah yeah and we have discussed it initially with them so that they know that that we're sensitive to that i guess you know and this photograph you can see some of the wheel marks there  again i don't think they're necessarily encroaching upon the sidewalk but they certainly are getting up into that what i'll call a park where and again i haven't personally observed the truck movements myself i'm sure each truck drivers may be a little have been parking there though even though the signage has been there and they've been able to navigate the fifteen bucks right right well up again at i think you know how the trucks navigate it is something that we do have to look at and again if if we were able to put some high back curb there you know that may fourth street and then taking up that much space one how in public schools gets out and i'm assuming that was part of your congress was added all part of the conversation when you met with the school folks yes so i was not involved in that so i'm not exactly sure what  know how what kind of detail they did get into but i do know that holland public is aware of these changes and their support of them there yes but what i just you know sounds like these get there's a legitimate thing here and it sounds like there's some good conversation that's going on in the short term i think i agree let's let's do what you're recommending but it seems like there's somewhere work that could be done with yeah i knew trucks you know to me that this scenario with with better actually brought that up and i think it is a good opportunity to push that a bit further and see if you know what they can do internally thank you brian adding the parking on twenty issue yeah i don't believe so it's on the opposite side of the street they're making the left hand turn as opposed to a right hand ok so i don't believe that's what they're having to swing out now so i guess that are they going have to start the left hand lane to be at so that we certainly are going to let him crowd the driveway approach per say ok you know there's quite a bit of space between the driveway approach and out of the avenue there and i think there's family businesses on the corner of twenty fourth and i think those are the three components as far as student safety of course everybody wants making sure those students are safe in the hasn't shown that there is a problem because of this particular area so it really comes down to trucks that go into bell or which is super large corporation who is very big trucks they're very successful that's wonderful versus smaller businesses that have been there for a long time who have customers who have employees i'm sure a drop in kinds of things and i think that i'm concerned about the consideration of people who have taken an old building and have resurrected it i know that quarter my dad used to work at w e done i know we're five star lumber group in that particular area and i saw the list of compassion proper they're really off on that apron part and i think is jay mentioned for that hollow high school traffic that moves down to the west that there by putting cars on the north side is only going  to make it more difficult for traffic to move in that particular area so it seems to me rather than supporting this at this particular point i think we really need to put some pressure or some discussion with butler and i think if we approve this it's going to be a very long time before it is going to have to move that truck is going to be there we have trucks that i mentioned in the pre concert meeting that stop on the on the ninth street and other places and unload things trucks or trucks and they're going to be there and so i think that either we can table this or we take another look at it and see if we can get all parties with this note how how wide is the sidewalk there is outlook and basically at the telephone pole and then that half wall i'm trying to figure out ok where's where's the i'm living in the past and then maybe so you're right you're saying it is a slightly narrower sidewalk than i haven't measured and i'm not exactly sure if it's four six or somewhere and we just would have already seen on the narrower side you know this is a little bit misleading in that you're getting the view they have probably takes away a little bit of that sidewalk but you can see where those sidewalk squares are and those basically but right up to the retaining wall so can you go back to the overhead as well the the previous accommodate in wayne just kind of touching on what you talked about obviously there's been a lot of growth a lot of development lot of change relative to some of these properties and i think what we're dealing with is a building that probably by today's standards would be a lot we would allow it to be built without a sufficient number of parking spaces to accommodate you know business and commerce that way gosh i think i was probably as passionate is anybody about you know traffic be baffled by some of the driving behaviors that i see around the high school and in your business as well and so i'm i'm super concerned i'm not convinced that we're actually bettering the safety scenario with this and this no disrespect to brian or the traffic committee whatsoever i think what we have here is a request that was made for something specific relative to trucks from mr nellis and it is that accurate to say that we can't post no truck parking or no truck idling can we get just specifically to the idling in the queue in aspect i'm not aware of any signs that run you may be here but i don't know of any prohibition need to look into it well i just i don't know that we're i don't see a solving anything in this particular action  certainly were not solving the issue that kind of triggered things i don't think we're making the school area safer i just don't see us doing that by moving some of that parking onto the north side or allowing for it that you know having been down that road both in the early morning hours and in the after school hours immediately with my kids it's already tough it's already dangerous i can't see how we're we're making it better i'm not a traffic expert i just experienced this area quite a bit so i don't know where my head's goal with this but i don't see us doing well with this one right now and again it's no disrespect to brian or the traffic committee but there's a part of me that wants us to to get back at this and see if we can be very surgical and specific if we have a custom sign that can make a custom sign and there's nothing in the law that prevents us from saying that you can't you a truck here but you can park a car here i don't know why we can't be that specific that's just what's in it right now  or talking about as well is if we don't do anything and brian white correct me if i'm wrong if we table and technically still can't park right now there's no parking in place but a truck could idle in that space and we can do a thing about it is that am i wrong in that or is that that's correct yes so so h p d felt that in order to be able to enforce the signage that's out  there that we'd have to modify that signage so that we could address that and that's i'm not disagreeing with him to your point of what the experience has been that they haven't ticketed parking that's at least what's being stated by the two gentlemen here and so but technically right now if we were to table they can't park there legally but i just want to make sure that that so we're aware of that piece of self we say if we were to table would the truck issue that was initially brought up they could still idle and queue and wait there and we really can't do anything about it just i just want to just from my understanding exactly that's correct that realizes that so i think that's why they're you know they're on board and looking at addressing the situation i guess in my mind you know do we want to press that issue we certainly can if we want to do that and then we can also explore the auto avenue possibility you know that certainly can be something that we can look at so is it is it not wide enough is that the issue yeah i think that the editor is is one  right i think it's been stated something about a known about school safety if the school superintendent is a good proxy for that i believe he actually attended the first meeting we had on this and spoke because we are going to as i recall move the prohibition on parking and that was objected to by the school superintendent so we received we sent this information i personally did on monday just to verify that we are on target this time in relation to school safety in his opinion and he verified that we were attacked so  and how often does this little piece of real estate between the sidewalk in this street cause such great discussions and in difficulty here it is here and i think we're trying to we're trying to address several issues here one is that the truck traffic in the parking of the trucks next to your building which my understanding is the currents i or the proposed signage would address that problem not allowing them to do that i don't know if we can actually prescribe so specifically that only trucks can stop there you know that's that's a job for this guy i don't know about that i think ultimately the as i'm seeing it no four hundred feet or whatever it is from ottawa avenue to where the curb starts farther east and creating this sort of pocket parking area if you will that defines the sidewalk in the street in the curb that defines where you can park and where you can park and we can look at for you this street was recently the street that i live on central avenue we have created those things and by the inability to park where you have for so long because i used to you will park in front of my house and now it's a it's like a bike lane and it's annoying but you know the so it is so obviously it's necessary here is something that we would want to accomplish at some point anyway because getting really eliminating these rather these dubious spaces like this these less than well defined areas is something that in the long term we we want to do so i guess from my perspective i would prefer to ask your indulgence for a little while while we can get this get to a program and have the street reconfigured and address it that way that everybody knows what's going on and i think the outcome would be better you know it takes a longer so i'm sorry we're past the comments now so it's just we have to make a decision thank you but the trucks and then afterwards i'm going to be a big advocate for what's let's get the long term solution moved out of the long term and into the short term so i just want you both to know that but if we don't i mean we don't have a tool in place for our law enforcement to do anything about the trucks idling in that space so i just want both of you to know that  no so this is awkward and we're going to work at it and keep working at it we'll be working with the company across the street and we'll be working out a traffic redoing the street and we're trying to put it on a shorter term as we can thank you we appreciate your participation and your willingness to work in a system way to take your turn thank you along the west side of and between thirtieth and thirty first and then albeit not shown here post some additional no parking on the east side of the neuropathy near the intersection of thirtieth street so that's the recommendation on this  particular parking restriction coming from the traffic committee may i ask please to have this removed from the table to be yes and the reason for that change is silence yeah i think it sidelines it's also in councilman whiteman may want to chime in on this as well but i think often times will have folks parker queue up along this  west side have been altie drop their kids off in their kids will dart across the road and that's really what we're trying to tell him your boy here and that is a case of an school kid start they do yeah thank you any discussion and yes they were real benefits that i saw of the focus school program was i got to see almost elementary every elementary school in the city highland move in my daughter for two different building every two years so there was one perk i thought of that system but i will say this that having been to jefferson school and having dropped her off there i'm astounded nothing has happened yet and this is this hopefully will not take near as much time as the one we just had before this is an absolute no brainer and i'm thank you for bringing it i certainly support this thing here the problem is behavior of people and there's another public school not jefferson another one where it says no standing in the whole nine yards and there's cars stacked up ten twelve deep where it says you're not supposed to and so there's a different there's a difference between reality and you know what the law says and i don't know how to fix it and how to make it make it right but safety is certainly the key thing here and i hope that parents will abide by that and will do their due diligence so it's a tad yeah when i can agree more  we can put signs up until we're blue in the face around our schools and it really is going to boil down to behaviors and so let that be the first of many times this council asks for our community  to be their best driving self around our schools their most cautious driving self around all of our schools and community whether how a public black river christian you name i will say i think one of the the upsides to our community policing program is that with some frequency we have public safety officers at jefferson and other schools as well that can  be the first and sharpest stay on enforcement with some of the behaviors that we see around earth schools because i agree with you i've seen some really really bad ones  and administrators try try try to encourage parents like myself to you know not just to not park where there is a no parking sign but also to flow through their own parking lot you know rational and  incidents and even today i think there were a couple students hit it thirty second street south washington i think those were high schoolers though and so unfortunately it's not just the case i mean kids that dart sometimes but  i i think the city does a really good job of trying to address this stuff and again you know he went on the previous issue brian works hard with the traffic that he and everybody involved to address these things this is guess have we talked with the school on this at all so they've been part of this yeah they have both i believe the superintendent as well as one of the operations person from the school ok my next question is what this being done and how will that affect i guess because i know that they have different areas of the school with a lot of different grades and i'm wondering how that will affect that or if it will affect that at all i guess i'm not entirely sure about that level of detail with the school i can only imagine that they did cover that in their discussions with the school they actually met out on site of the issues because they're not just limited to that west side you know truth be told there are still issues around parking behaviors by the parking lot but it's my understanding of the reconfiguration now that there's actually no students that actually the west side dabbling any more most of that redesign funnels the students out to the east side toward the parking lot or out that front door of the north side it's the blue line on the west there actually believe it or not it's actually mostly teachers nowadays that have been parking there through the duration of the day and obviously teachers getting there before students and stain after students you have that parking effect that creates a narrow corridor or it's  screwed up that visibility window if you will in so a little bit of kids going back and forth because that employees get picked up and so you've got kids walking back and forth there and so yours is an excellent question kudos to the school madam mayor yes motion passes thank you very much we now come to the long awaited section called public comment so if anyone is here who would just like to speak to something that is not later on the agenda in this meeting you are welcome to come to the podium give us your name and address and you also have five minutes the green light is keep going yellow light one minute and red you're done when anyone likes to seeing men then i guess we'll move to our next which is about a request to conduct second year fundraising efforts right can you address that far and upcoming months at the center one of which is called the sweetheart snowshoes shuffle which will take place february thirteenth that one we will be serving would like to serve wine and cheese at the event it's a couples event this is like you said the second year we have done both of these events the second event is called maple palooza will take place on march twenty sixth which will be o whole variety of different kind of maple syrup flavored items including ice cream sundaes and of course maple flavored beer from start to brewing company i will also say that last year the maple palooza event profited just under just about two thousand dollars which was a very good success the shuffle however took place in need of one of the most dangerous blizzards of the season however we did have twenty five couples show up and we raised a profit just over just about two hundred dollars so they were both successful and rob better from the nature center is looking forward to having these two events this year he's right i will add that the city council is on record wanting to have this considered on a global policy level as study session and i know that any kenyan is preparing t details of researching the results and preparing for that study session is a next week or two weeks i'm going to have the thirteenth i'm accountable so next week you'll have a more thorough conversation in general ok so this is just to let them have these events that they had last year correct and let them keep everything in place that they've already told everybody about correct any discussion i'm sorry seven yes seven twenty thank you so we also have a request for a pro wrestling event and to hear back on for that time back on q correct this event will take place at the civic center and like you mentioned is by a company called pure pro wrestling it's a professional wrestling event they would like to serve beer at their event it's family friendly it sounds like they're going to have v f w veterans  service bartenders who will pass all the tips training everything involved with that and that event will take place on february twentieth this is one of the events that we came previous to a previous council meeting and talked about as one of the events that would take place before march first ok so does anyone have a comment about that i just have one question and i think it's something both are going to be here in cairns correct is that change any dynamics of our from what we've done in the past or is what we've done the past i have no clue that the other has you know the events we've had alcohol it's been yes i'm sorry thank you and i could you tell us about the gift to this wonderful city yes the city madam mayor and we need to go to another item for it's finance it's everything ok thank you so much ok my apologies i think we should go to gifts about how what do you think and i think that's a wonderful idea thank you so much the city manager's office is pleased to report the following gi total donations in the amount of four thousand five hundred dollars was received for the how a new connection program for the fourth year from magna mirrors stephen crystal ball price and techno coach parks rec and recreation civic center received an anonymous donation of three thousand four hundred twenty six dollars and eighty six cents because of that eighty six cents as part of a two million pledge for renovations of the civic center parks and recreation received more donations for the digraph nature center for land improvements from edward and mary jane drink time sander storyland an vendor would louise and judith thomas parks and recreation sell present our shit fun received a total amount of five hundred fifteen dollars from the city of holland employees and the improvements for the lakewood city park received a donation in the amount of two thousand five hundred dollars from robert dykstra through the community foundation of holland zealand area for a future ice skating rink for the parks and recreation they received a five thousand donation dollars donation from frank cry it is recommended that these donations be accepted with appreciation and an expression of gratitude be forwarded to said donors thank you and i do  what a wonderful community one cause after another one location after another supported so faithfully and generously it is really heartwarming to listen to that list of gifts every single meeting it's an amazing amazing place we call thank you very much now i think we are moving on to communications from the city manager thank you madam mayor i have three items  with the ice and snow come additional opportunities for exercise and our front sidewalks so we do want to remind people that that is important especially to those who are not capable  age or whatever and it's important that the sidewalks be clear as well as just the schoolchildren the rest of us who need to get around with that also comes increasing snow and the opportunity to keep your  adopted hydrant clear of snow and that has been beneficial to winters ago in holland heights where there was a fire and the snow had just been cleared and so that is very much appreciated and by  i cross country skiing so i've had occasion to joy that thank you and i want to make sure that others know they are groomed trails and lastly the next part of my duties have to do the city center places to work to bring a construction manager into the project so i have received we need to do some interviewing and there will be eight for interviewed and i will seek help from at least two council members so be looking for volunteers on that as well as someone from the steering committee and the design firm that's helping us now to help select that construction manager and there are a number of very capable firms to choose from so we're very fortunate and i'll be back in touch with you on that great thank you right so for communications from the mayor we have appointments and re appointments we are pointing jennifer white and kiefer c'est trick to three year terms on the human relations commission that said term will expire on june thirtieth two thousand and eighteen we are reappointing adr the board of review for a three year term and that term expires january thirty twenty nineteen we want to reappoint him via gleek to the holland smart zone local development finance authority and the l d for a four year term and that term will expire and january one twenty nineteen the following council members have been reappointed or appointed as council is on and all of their commission placements will expire on november first two thousand and sixteen brian birch will be in the neighborhood improvement committee and the planning commission brian lynn is going to be the liaison for parks and rec advisory committee and the board of public works hoekstra is will be the representative on the international relations commission the sustainability committee and the alternate to the west michigan airport authority when clomp runs will be the human relations commission and j peters is appointed as the downtown development authority layers than the historic district commission liaison and the neighborhood improvement committee also mike to through we will be and the cable t commission the area express transportation authority and the police community relations commission todd white men will be our representative on the brownfield redevelopment authority and the west michigan airport authority and the board of appeals i will be the planning commission and the youth advisory council and quincy byrd will be an alternate for the police community relations commission so it's recommended that city council a favor please say i post same something that passes thank you and do we have any other modes and motions or communications from council members quincy this is my second meeting and i wanted to take this opportunity to say thank you for having me as part of this position here and  know we're excited you're here quincy any other comments from council members know we need well it is just exciting to stop and think about twenty sixteen isn't it here we are on the cusp of the civic center project there is such excitement growing with that well over one hundred people showed up last night to talk about it and get excited people are really ready to do something and do it well our next meetings for that are january twenty and twenty one the whole day charette as only howlin can do it starting at eight in the morning till nine at night on the twentieth and from eight in the morning till six and the twenty first so please join us for that and last look at the information and other meetings after that but we would love to have as many people as possible come so that we can exchange ideas and have the synergy of a lot of people coming up with great things to do at the civic center and day by day we watch the board of public works and its power plant getting higher and wider and more capable of handling our power for the future that's so exciting to watch and of course we know snow melt is under there we can't use it yet but it's getting ready and we're going to be putting in more after this next year in the in the summer going on past one nine hundred street to evergreen commons and that's all exciting things too and the whole development of the black across from the police department and and the courthouse that's a huge an amazing thing to have happen on such a scale so there are a lot of really important things happening and underneath it all is a generous kind reasonable community as exhibited by the two businessmen we had here earlier make being willing to say it's not what we want it's not the way we wanted it but we're willing to work with it we understand we're a part of the whole and we're all here to be a team and it's in unity that we have our strength and that's what our forefathers put in the c e o way back when it's still the principle we really want to hang on to as a community and so now we're going to have a little motion to go into a closed session no what else do we need one more thing i want to make mention of coffee thank you quincy january sixteen is coffee with counsel you can't quite announce where but i'll be right around here so stay tuned it starts at nine till eleven thirty thank you for saying that quincy and now we need to have a motion