i just had one minor thing at the under number twelve other business the permits on the should in the last two lines should read should read the red barn and gardens  i know municipalities have to work well with the with the legislature and rely on them in a lot of different ways so i think it's imperative that our our legislative candidates are are well versed especially the countywide candidates are well versed in what's happening in each town so  that's why i'm here my main issues are reducing the high cost of living here and trying to expand business opportunity in vermont those are tough things a lot of governors and legislatures have attempted it but i'm a i'm a millennia and i'm a young professional i grew up here projects that will have a certain amount of either drop creation or housing creation and those parameters i haven't really thought through yet it's something we're already doing but i think we need to make wider use of to encourage projects like like a marine riser city place more importantly i think investing in areas like are you all familiar with the vermont center for emerging technologies to be set so that other like b t v ignite sort of encouraging entrepreneurial growth where we we've sort of walked out and ended up with our dealer dot com and my web fortunately my approach is not going bought out but encouraging more of that now that's not going to be the the magic bullet you can't just hope hope to win the lottery every ten years that we're going to have another big  hit but i think those are places to start you know some some of the things that i focus on because i grew up in shelburne and i live in burlington is lake cleanup i think finding a funding source for lake clean up hopefully within surpluses that we've seen would be a great place to start i know bonding is on the table but you know if it comes to a partial fee i think would be a next logical step if we had to go that route but i would not want to target a specific industry be agriculture or hotels and always district held a retreat to discuss next steps for g m c as you are definitely aware food scraps who will be banned from level disposal to i one twenty twenty the there is a managed somehow it's not expected that g m c will have to handle all fourteen thousand tons clearly we think a lot of our resident we know a lot of our residents will compost in the backyard they will where it's allowed will use however we do expect to marriage a significant portion so right now g m c is handling quite a lot of food scraps we keep growing here here here and it's a good problem to have conversation well in advance of needing to actually constructive thing and make any changes so the very first question i asked at their retreat was pretty basic do we still want to do this as a district you know we should assume the answer is yes but we saw we had a good debate about that and what are the other options we talked about that and the board did decide yes that they do feel that is a policy should be a function of the district in january was a special birthday treat so the full minute are there for anyone who wants to read those minutes they're available as are the items that are included in the package so we came out of that next was with the confirmation yes we do want to elsewhere in the county to be more efficient and what with that look like what that mean so over the course of this these past nine and a half almost ten months we've been having those discussions and nothing the board has not made any final decision about anything we have now down some of the options so we they did ask us to well first focus on where the road obviously the infrastructure is there and if we don't have to buy land somewhere else that is very good thing so that's where most of our discussions at this point have focused on we have looked at a options and what might that look like essentially best practices for any compost operate in is a rectangle or a square you want to start in hand and up at the other you tend to not want to loop around the way we are currently configured is a bit of an s curve with a little dizzy doodle at the end too so that's not a terribly efficient so we know that we need to increase the efficiency to be able to increase our throughput at the end so starting with the premise that khania can weigh the idea the hope can we create a semblance of a rectangle and reading road that's where we have landed at this point now so the presentation in september was to discuss what we see as two scenarios one and two that would help us to get to more of a rectangular shape on ribbon road so that is where dan will be reviewing with on the screen there send the package as well that is the current way out of green mountain compos as it's as it was built in two thousand and ten eleven opened up july two thousand and eleven and you're probably aware that it was at the for a long time in burlington prior to that but this is how and where we've been functioning since then and for those that you would not seem to still be up close it's essentially most of the new occurs here but most of the active composting is happening right here this is a big concrete and steel structure there is water catchment systems there where we can reintegrate the higher concentration the higher strength liquids into the initial parts of the operation we compost it for buried it to keep the biology going and active for a number of weeks prior to then screening it which is done over here and then the screen material currently is  aged in this area which we call the curing field so all told the active areas here between depending on if you count driveways and all that are between eight and thirteen acres approximately  and it has compared to the interval where we were for very long time before relocating it works really well here there's a lot of improvements being on redmond road the biggest one being that we are high and dry so in the thousand tons of food scraps to between two and three thousand tons of food scraps per year we're currently at around six thousand tons of food scraps and so we've doubled the amount of food that we've been handling this comes from businesses and residential components currently probably less than ten percent of majority from institutions and businesses and that the volume of that has just grown exponentially in the last seven years and part of that is due the act one forty eight legislation their universal recycling law girl probably familiar with that certainly ramped up the amount of diversion of that and it takes a businesses particularly that we're not diverting previously suddenly have more motivation to do so so we've seen continual growth and it's been a challenge it's you know was designed for half that capacity and we're really been pushing to make it work but it's not without challenges so hence the d s m was hired to do their study her consultants into twenty seventeen and that was followed up by their treat that sarah talked about and since that we've contracted with another individual named craig coker out of her ginia does this all over the country and he's been helping us go through these different scenarios and work up a bunch of different models every model we've looked  at has the eye towards increasing capacity given the food that we expect to come our way in the coming years as well as doing handling everything a little bit more efficiently than is possible in the current configuration as there mentioned small quantities so that's one of the things we're looking to correct so some of the in the models that we've been looking at more recently then with the board this works here with me here involved moving from this summer this is the new cut out that they did for velcro where they have the right of way through seems to be property for storage anyway just for a little more context that everything we're looking at for expansion is within that green box which is a little bit to the north and east of the current operation so this is very very early on in design still given that we haven't really gone far into specifics of design rather we were doing some initial drawings to help us decide will it all fit in the footprint that we have been able to us are all the components going to make sense and can we improve on the flow so this was one scenario that we looked at where we would utilize some of the existing infrastructure and move material out to reconfigured area out here which currently is mostly big an area that was part of the sand hybrid sand and gravel owns access to the sand reserves there and we would be suggesting to expand within the area where they've already extracted sand s o that was one option and then another option more idealized layout here where we would be relocating almost all of the components that we currently have in our existing pad in that same area everything is a bit condensed but it is and large footprint and designed in such a way that throughput is much more efficient so both of these designs would accommodate based on the relations that we've  modeled would accommodate the ten thousand tons of food that we project coming our way in coming years it would also result in an increased yield based on changing the methodology of the composting slightly investment up front for building all that capital in either scenario and then we would hope that the based on projections that we could decrease the operating expenses per cubic yard per unit  production with an increased throughput and increased inputs so there's more work to be done certainly there are still pretty early in the process but this is what we've shared with our board thus far it's ongoing we're still have  our consultant working with us and are still working out some some pretty big details yet so there will be more more to come for sure and i could answer specific questions about how where we are so increases only to ten thousand yes and that's surprising and guess if you're basically have almost no residential in court today so with all the residential in what you are planning  guess i don't understand what with that covers it seems like a guess and small of increase is it worth it or would a bigger facilities be more efficient i guess that responsible for the majority of times we want to take care of chicken county so what needs to happen there is there needs to be more of a structure in the neighboring counties we now take a small amount from outside the district but not much and the goal is to make sure that we have enough capacity for what is generated within our own district so it does seem like it's a small increase but keep in mind too that once everyone is required to keep their scraps out of the landfill out of the trash they're going to find percent said they intend to compost in the backyard so if you're looking at all of these question around within the county a presidential aide that's quite a lot that we're not going to see it all right so we still also hav captured all of the business and commercial material so there is still a section they're working on there too so we're making our way through that that tonnage as well so we're we're comfortable that that number is going to be accurate we're also comfortable that there will be some additional infrastructure so not we may not get everything from gymkhana you know again on the borders they need to go to other facilities not g m c and that's great we want that to happen we want there to be more availability more access not  or seventy percent of the capacity in our in our acts of the total it's twenty some odd thousand tons of all you know all told all and all just food leaves and all the components metaphors and so forth so we have we have accept quite a bit of room within our x m d a permit still but that was permitted beyond what we actually are finding we're able to handle within the confines of our infrastructure there's one thing that i would like to know the people who pick it up so interesting you've talked about food waste and then you talked about food waste plus a lot of stuff that could come in  therefore the ten thousand tons that we just talked about that sounds like it's the capacities that food waste only herbs at all organic material that would come in that is the food waste component so we're in all of our operations food waste is the driving force everything else we do is basically to make the food component go away in a way that isn't going to cause a hoarder and isn't going to attract butters and is going to produce quality fish product so the other things that we to the food which we point to where at six now we were at three seven years ago we're projecting getting up to ten within the confines of this potential design my own expert on for one forty eight is it focus on main focus is certainly on food that is the stated goals of the state is to reduce is to divert organics but recognizing that food is the you know the most problematic portion of those are gannets that otherwise is going to end up in the landfill and  already banned from lethal yeah and i guess my overall question is is what you know given all the material that comes in some of which no you you probably have to purchase and some amendments but would show the yard waste we don't expect that to grow at all that we have the same tonnage basically for twenty years if there's no more new limits on it right and there that people are custom to doing it if anything it will probably shrink as backyard composting goes up  so and then manures there's it's limited but for a number of reasons we don't do any of the hauling ourselves some people bring material to us there is a broker who does some of the transportation and there are some limitations there so we don't anticipate that growing and then the only real question mark is around wood which we currently do purchase that and for ferocity primarily at the moment in our current design we would need the carbon content of that moving forward in order to handle all ten thousand tons of food because the yard waste would not be growing to match the growth of the food so that's an it a new expense an additional volume coming in in the form of wood chips primarily back to you on that it's i want to say i should probably get back to the brotherhood my my point out of this is if we focus on food waste in talked about food waste we're not we're not considering the whole facility because of the facility takes in a bunch more of the materials and i'm trying to get a sense of what is the size of the whole facility not just the portion that tambling food waste so  that relates they all get composting together but i think that some of that's an incomplete story if you don't mind me putting it that way if we just talk about food waste and what we're showing here which show to our board this is this is the entire thing when i look at that is the existing facility need to stay and then the rest is in addition or is is the part to the left as i look at it it will that be the entire compost facility in the future so depending on  which way our board wants us to go so there's in this particular image they have up there that does move all of the operations into that portion to the left accounts in the previous image that  some other function but it would need it would not the intent is not to then add on and continue to grow the facilities that's the question the intent because that would that would just further exacerbate the inefficiencies of the process so one of the keys is to make it more efficient and by doing that is to try to get again that is for ten dollars as we can talk little bit about why expand this facility versus look for a second or other facilities and in this case maybe in other towns other member towns yeah yeah i know of course and that is an option that is another option for a board to consider so their first charge was to gain to a new community but it's not the table that is certainly an option that we have to look at we were looking at all of the options starting new in another location if it's available is something we need to look at  open space and then examine that as well and then have a compare and contrast and then go from there has the districts settled on composting as the only way to take care of the organic one historian looking at other technologies are those that could those other technologies be sited on remember a big question so last year brain matter engineer didn't take a look at exactly that he looked i think eight seven or eight different digesters digesting type of technologies and the capital investment was huge i think we were looking at anywhere between ten and twelve million energy production there you know so there's only present himes if the costs are comparable ballot be a very difficult decision to make but at this point the cost digestion is roughly so we're nowhere near that compared to what we've talked about iran on here that's a that's a big piece of information right there has there been any involvement in any discussions has the town been been brought in at all in these discussions in my sense is no well your commission has been involved the representative right yes absolutely so you have a commissioner an alternate who have been attending a meeting here commissioner is on the executive boy of our our board so between craig and caitlin they've been very active and very involved so yes they've been there what will be the process making sure that we have line that at the know the time line and your timeline you know our timeline so once we we started getting towards a possible scenario or a couple or three then you know really now is the time which we've beg we also are sensitive to the fact that you have something and permitting i wanted to make sure that they were not using that as an excuse to not give comics we want to do it right so  k i didn't want to pick up on one thing craig brought up in his memo and he talks about what i said eric's memo that talks about craig's point and brought in the last one says current proposal now puts new site in or near the sandpit this is very positive as this creates much less room for future landfill and i'm wondering on the necessary land needed for on land but if you don't mind not trying to put words in your mouth but if i could repeat what i heard just to make sure i got it right whatever expansion if if for whatever expansion happens to the compost facility will not impact the district's future development of a landfill site that you're aware of that i'm currently aware of  plans for a very long time if at all it appears that their news that they're the need is rising and again her money for these things as you may know takes many many many years conversations long before any decision would be me and i would think there would be to be meeting conjunction with the town but so that's the long answer to the short answer being no i don't see that this for we have many other projects yet when those numbers were developed and i should note that these numbers are from the best that we had when we were preparing the september board package and they they need to be modified we haven't completed the comparisons we were looking at other facility options we use that as a baseline so it will pave this is what it's costing us now how do these iraqi prepare so we currently sell our compost for a blended average of about actually subsidized by the district i'm just wondering about where the cut the concert board for the current composting operation through subs subsidies somewhere and you're looking  required under state law before i will be considered by australian ballot that town meeting so i'll open the public hearing and ask eric to just briefly go over to the rig the things that fourteen eighty three it's on page six a proposal to change the position of treasurer from elected to appointed section fourteen c two it's on page nine i'm addition to provide for the appoint duly warns town meeting of the tool at the office of list or section fourteen c five proposal to eliminate position of town constables and elected position if approved this change would give dislike for the flexibility to the side if the position should be filled in by whom appointment section fifteen a one paragraphs added to specifically permit the board to create a point in positions that are not specifically referenced in the charter and section fifteen b one b this will eliminate the requirement for the slut board to appoint a pound keeper section fifteen b one d this would be the position of town service officer would no longer be required if this change approved this doesn't prevent the board from appointing someone to the position the rest are changes mainly correlating with these other with the major changes i described here so as they come in from the public at this public hearing on the proposed charter revisions see the hands raised a motion to close  who helped win the charter was put together at her to get a final legal look at this and he had a couple suggestions for additions here first would be to add new section fifteen before c to address the core requirement of the b abatement of taxes without a clarity and this is a look at the memo that was provided tonight and then the second piece is in section sixteen age two a for a lot of such as the charter here this would add except as otherwise provided by this charter and then finally looking at section sixteen age three j inserting this clause so this is looking at trying to chair strikes when it's clearly in section fourteen c to a d on page nine to be consistent that the clerk is appointed by the manager with consent of the select word if so if the voters decided to vote that way to have the position as appointed so this is under the duties of town manager in the section to be consistent that the town manager would have the authority to appoint the town clerk and assistant town clerk if the bill or so authorize isn't as well the reason is that i don't know what year but the state legislature actually changed it so that towns that did not have charters could vote that and so all we're trying to do is give our town the same ability as any other community has that doesn't have a charter we're not recommending that that change actually be made at this point in time all recommending is that the charter would allow for a vote rather than lose him i just wondered why if we didn't think that was or a direction to go or conversely why do we have a which what  purpose does the church or serve above and beyond what the state recommends for the powers of the town and select board allows the town to do things in limited situations differently than unless we had things that we specifically want we can't do it unless the legislature would approve  if we're looking for well that's the question freighters are we will we approve these three added to it then we'll have a chance between now and the second public hearing to make some other discussion on the motion so that the concept would be is after that version makes it through our review and were happy that they would schedule the second public airing the result or you know a second meeting scheduled with thinking already has been scheduled between now and that meeting and should we ask their questions more that as much as proposals but it was on the ethics and these are those mimic by the state the ethics and trees in on time john or are those basically the same  i mean i can look at it too i don't you know sort of an ethics ordinance which i think does probably need revision but i don't know if that satisfies what you're looking for i just had s issues i would say most of all it didn't specifically but it seemed like it prevented anybody from speaking out if that person speaking up was concerned about get that and see if the two can be but it's hard to put stuff in a charter except the ability to have an ordinance i think probably that will take a look at it thank you and as compared to the current state law since we discussed this been about a month about talking about these two amendments and leave some room for questions and clarifications i know we have somewhat limited time so under consideration by the board are t amendments to the list and comprehensive plan and the comprehensive plan was adopted in november of twenty sixteen so we're about two years into an eight year cycle right now and there were some items called for in that plan and that would result in amendments to the plan itself so it's a living document as people like to say and it sometimes calls for its own revision in particular the development of the village master plan which has been a standing goal in the comprehensive plan going back at least two generations of planned two thousand and eleven in two thousand and sixteen and possibly even in two thousand and six and what village master plan has meant has sort of shifted over time and i'll explain that a little bit the other amendment is a more textual amendment to an existing chapter chapter thirteen chapter thirteen is currently named open space it's proposed to be renamed natural and cultural resources and the evolution of chapter thirteen was that originally it was the town's open space plan it was its own plan adopted separately from the comprehensive plan an appendicitis to there in became eventually a chapter of the plan and more fully integrated and has since evolved in his proposed to evolve a little bit further into covering some cultural resources as well as the natural resources already discusses and in particular archaeological resources in particular that amendment is necessary for the maintenance of the town's designated growth center at taft corners so about a year ago in november of two thousand and seventeen we had a five year review of the town's growth center designation which is a key planning tool to achieving the town walkable development in that growth center one of the deficiencies that the downtown board found in our growth center designation was that our town plan didn't really say anything about protecting archaeological resources and that's a criteria that needed to be m so there's a amendment in chapter thirteen creation of section thirteen point for cultural resources that addresses and provides the language for the town to say that yes archaeological resources are concerned they are considered when the town plants its facilities and when the town refuse development and some of you may be familiar that we have a talent as an applicant underactive fifty have encountered archeological resources in the development of our trail system most recently  and needed to invest in protecting them in assessing what they are and things like that this was also in chapter thirteen or really good opportunity to take a look at our natural resource protection as our by a walk currently administers it and call for some refinement there the select board adopted changes to the towns by a was about four years ago in april of two thousand and fourteen that added protection of quote unquote conservation areas including wildlife habitat and wildlife travel corridor areas which are mapped in a very very extensive way and so we've had about four years worth now of reviewing rural subdivisions where those resources were almost inevitably identified and then sort of addressed in a kind of general way by the applicant and often didn't really result in a whole lot of modification to the developments that were proposed so having had that experience to comp t amendment would call for a reexamination of those wildlife habitat protection rules in particular and saying let's let's try to focus what we're identifying on the map to the really critical stuff and then possibly apply a little more stringent criteria when we do find ourselves dealing with a development that interacts with those resources so tight in the map up and make the rules a little more stringent as opposed to the what what staff is perceiving as kind of an overbroad map and rules that don't really have a whole lot of impact on on what gets built so that's that's sort of the nickel tour of the chapter thirteen amendments and if somebody sees something in there that i've glossed over i know i have and i'm happy to answer questions on that but i do want to give you some time on the village master plan as well so will a student has had a village master plan in the past in the past built village master plans have been and aspirational documents that talked a lot about the way in which the village would develop and that the village would develop with a grid of streets extending out from willesden road extending into what's now the central school of recreation fields properties and into what's known as the lion's property here behind town hall things have happened since the one nine hundred ninety s when those master plans were created and adopted central school has grown the recreational facilities have grown development has occurred that has more or less precluded the creation of that grade of streets but on that side of the road we've determined that a significant amount of the lion's property is wetland and that that constraint would prevent the development of village pattern coming back listed road nevertheless we've had several generations of the town plan that have called for the adoption of a new village master plan and given those changes in the information we have in the village as well as staff experience administering the rules we have in the village that are specific to historic preservation and some of the selector may recall experiences related to looking at potential infrastructure changes in the village changes to intersections and street layout all of those things it seemed like a good time to take some input on them and come up with a framework for addressing those matters through this mechanism of the village master plan so this is today a separate document much like the open space plan once was planned within itself for eventual enrollment in the overall comprehensive plan the next time the comp plan is really fully written it's likely that the village master plan would become either its own chapter or its goals and objectives and policies would be fully integrated into wendy's transportation etc sections of the comprehensive plan going forward so the village master plan we started a public process back in spring of two thousand and sixteen and that's documented within the plan itself we collected some historical information talked a little bit about the evolution of the village some of the architectural styles that are present there and why they're there and the evolution of planning and historic preservation district designation in the village as well as state village center designation in the village so those are all sort of just a collection of history and status is in special ways that we treat things in the village that's a little different than the way we might look at land use really anywhere else in town then based on the public input that we took and the history in our understanding of how the town is related to the village in the past the plan goes into three chapters around three sort of action areas and we're talking about actions related to what we do about the way we handle land use in the village the way we handle people who want to change historic buildings people want to add to them take them down  build new things next to them all of those sorts of things add ad uses to them that are nonresidential because it is a mixed use district so we have a whole chapter that lays out things about land use in the village that need to be addressed need to be further discussed need to find their way into amendments to the town's byelaws eventually and some of that was already in the comprehensive plan we already have some existing policies injective that say hey take a look at the way you're doing land use in the village it's time to revisit some of this and in fact we've in the last month or so turned the historical architectural advisory committee loose on assessing those land use standards already just as it's called for in here because we we know we need some updated consideration of some of those we have a section about transportation about balancing the desire for a livable walkable village with the transportation demand that williston road serves through the village  invigorating some of the old desires from the old master plan about streetscape things like street trees burying utilities adding iron light poles and other elements to the street scape that help you when you come to a village see that you're in a different place along williston road and a special place within town and really a goal coming out of that section of looking at those things in a comprehensive way so when you think about an intersection change or a traffic calming measure or a parking issue or wanting to bury utilities or wanting to have those trees and light poles that you're thinking about all of that together and tying it to these general goals of a village that moves the cars that need to get through but is also pleasant to walk in and along is the historic value of the houses that front on that road that's transportation we've done land use we've talked about transportation in the last chapter is kind of the fun one which is vibrancy there's a recognition in this plan that the village is a really attractive really pleasant place to be to visit to live in to interact with the town has festivals here the town has its civic core plays a major role in protection preservation of historic buildings by having its offices in the buildings it has them in and that those things combined with the mixed use nature of the village means it is and can continue to be and continue to be more so a vibrant place that continues to be another center of activity in town a different center of activity than what we're trying to accomplish in the growth center where there's opportunities for higher density living for shopping at a scale that you know your town  generally said it doesn't want to see in the village but that we can do something else here by looking at those standards for mixed use and looking at programming and really something that kind of dips a toe in the water of economic development that when we have commercial buildings that are historic that are in a designated village center as we do the owners of those buildings can access some tax incentives to upgrade fix up those buildings keep them viable and this plan calls for the town to begin to assess how it can be involved in that so that's a very quick overview of the village collection of public input history and past planning efforts land use recommendations transportation porter recommendations and recommendations related to vibrancy all directing work items that will almost i say almost exclusively come out of the planning office as far as the town troll is concerned simply we've given ourselves a fairly  tasks coming out of it and i'll stop there for the moment and these matters so this is the public hearing part of the of the agenda item so anyone in the of the public who wishes to make any comments regarding the t oh and the village comprehensive plan so thank you for the that was a great ovary and so it was more extensive than i expected so but you did it quickly so  the the the improvements in the village center you're talking about parking lots or business is you mentioned some things about demolition people them keep their properties of some and funding floor  understood most of the published the of those is going to come out of the states downtown program as opposed to coming from the town today i mean i certainly talk them up when i've whenever i talk to anybody who i think might have a commercial use going in the village say you know there's there's these programs and i can at least link you to the person at the state who who had ministers down but some things the town hasn't really done yet that we could do would be to assess just how many properties are there where those incentives might be available we could we could publicize them more locally we could do mail out we could do more outreach around those things those are some of the ideas there do we know i mean maybe you just answered this but there's a lot of good thought in here but how much room do we really have to do the things because the village seems pretty packed i don't know so in terms of adding users to the village or intensity you talking here a little bit about you know additional commercial spaces whether it be restaurants we've had it seems like we've had our tried a few of those or at least a couple of them over the years and they've kind of gone out of business and i don't know if that's lack of certainly not lack of traffic  have plenty of traffic but do we understand why that's happened so i guess that would be one of the things i'd want the the planning commission to get feedback on are why have these couple of places buildings that we've used for these things come in gone or failed i don't know if they really failed or i actually don't know the reason they've left yeah you know i think we've we've had a a mix that's kind of common gone the the restaurant example there are there's so many reasons that restaurants end up not continuing and the two at least two of the restaurant concepts across the street from town hall here were things that were definitely not constraints and i think his other people that would love to get in and make that go again it's a it's a business back thing it seems you know besides the school things and the things in the town square i guess you'd call it the statue as that's a great area for those kinds of get togethers but there isn't much i don't know the reason why not other than that in their school activities you know if you have kids in school still but besides that there isn't a lot to draw you  don't remember right and so one of the comments that's one of these things takes off right i heard over and over from people vibrancy maker used to be three places in the village you could get a creepy yes right over and over again i would hear this and you know  kind of funny but that's a that's a really great example of i live in will west and i just got home it's thursday or friday afternoon i'm feeling like getting out of the house i don't really feel like going down into the intensity of taft corners i just came from there or i just came through there on my way home from work i've been at might my sister lives in willesden and i've been at her house before and we said well we need to go get something do you think the corner quick stop has it because i'm up on sunset hill and i don't feel like going all the way into town that says those few anecdotal things say to me there is some demand for the village to be used in that way and that if people had some reasons to use it in that way more than there even are today you  get a little more of that vibrancy you get a few more businesses that might feel viable and i think on the on the question of scale and capacity and demand it's all a question of size you know you know you could have a creamy window in a fairly small space we talk about pop up demonstrations as they relate to traffic calming or transportation infrastructure but you can also pop up businesses the planning world is really excited right now about things like well we want to see if a restaurant would work in this spot so we'll put a food truck there two nights a week and see if people will come and there are you know ways to identify locations that will work for that and ways on our side to look at the permit him to make sure that it's something somebody can react to it you know right now if somebody wants a food truck and village they go through site plan review so it's twelve weeks you know that's the d r p review cycle you might look at the village and say in a couple of pilot locations we want to streamline the permit in for something like that because it's worth trying out those are some of the things we might end up looking mean is that adams but it's not i don't think that's part of the village right it's not part of what was map for this plan ok and the only other come in it's a small one was on street lamps and i have to admit i mean walk walk by there all the time do we have street lamps on the main street now we have the mid intersections there maybe a few at major enjoy nice dark skies and williston's so far i mean they're probably not as corners but in much of lowest and so and you know street lighting like that it wouldn't be replicating anything that was ever here before sure it wouldn't be it wouldn't be returning something to a historic state but it's generally understood as a way of signaling that you're in a different part of town you know you'll still see other places if you've been through your dandelion route too or you'll see street and sidewalk i always have this difficulty between reading something like this and it reads great but the implementation of it is just so difficult you know sometimes because of the constraints that are out there like route two  a major corner we are going to change that we probably have limited ability to change that will assist in the village is rather limited in terms of the population that's nearby you know you know we can't change  fact we don't want to change that because we talk about the dense density should happen in other parts of the town so it's that question and i'm not expecting an answer but it's that question of between writing something that provides a great vision question i'm asking is how do you get that person into willesden given that you know initially there may not be that big of a draw because we just don't have the density in the village to really support a restaurant yet you know how do we d how do we deal with this just i guess maybe it's a frustration you know between a great vision but knowing there are these and i mean we're deficiencies it's not the right word i know that that are going to be so difficult to  overcome and added into that is we all know of some great downtown areas villages that grew organically somehow i won't even try to mention some and how do we get that happen organically so those are just some musings on my part one great piece of advice i recently read was you want to articulate the vision over and over again until people start articulating it back to you and so saying what you want you know waterbury i'm sure said for many many years we want to bury those utilities if it took a tropical storm and a major redevelopment project sort of spurred by that to get there but if you never say this is something what we want no one's ever going to say it back to you and i think that's part of it and i absolutely agree it makes total sense to that language into you know the town plan so you can start that conversation that's it for me like and you may remember john from a meeting about a month or so ago johns with will to enter an associates he's a consultant it's doing the scoping project for us and so we were here on the set about a month ago to talk got about three minutes left so the last one alternate number five on the bottom there we did a value we did which we knew that last installing a bridge would be more expensive to use on our experience instructions and span as well as the  and i'll note that in all of these alternatives the road closure is what we're considering is it's the resource impacts on both sides and didn't really even options consider temporary roadways through here and there he had gotten some additional right of way to install over so it does extend out so the replacement structure you can see in the dark or black in the center of the screeners whose job in the world some of the slope limits though do extend kind of close to the borders of it so depending once you find the survey they likely will be some minor temporary these means for construction some minor from germany as well and what you're looking at is the red is the roadway the yellow is the wind chill wind shoulders for a bike lane and if you can see on the left side of the screen there on the floor the picture of the green indicates the sidewalk at noon and really it's show on that path on north and south and you see that side well actually gets moved in all these because we don't we have a good facility in the next time they were proposing to put people on we want to keep them on that and you'll see that some of the the partial on road facility so as far as that meeting the purpose and need it does loaded it just just noting that it's partially because it's providing on its right blue more separation to what has green space that can provide snore storage as well as storm water treatment there's no catch basin grades out on the roadways on the shoulders of those commuters so it was needs service and need it has minimal right away impacts repeat what i heard just to make sure i understand it at times that that ten foot wide strip would be overwhelmed by the amount of rainfall and then a gutter on the catch basins to collect that amount they can't infiltrate gypsum i have another question on the cost of the the structure the one point two million dollars for you know option structure alternative number two that includes no roadway that's just  in and fixing up the bad so that's no road so any road cost a half a million dollars on top of that and that's just the road on top of the bridge in the ramp up and ramp down yeah half a million that just i don't know just seems because of that i would say i look at this and say well let's get the best one because the difference between a road and the best road is only ten percent maybe or some small s existing facilities based on the car don't know if it were supposed to go and i mean based on the cost it would seem like option three is desirable but we should also it one of the goals was to make sure we had this connection as well so does that factor into the cost whatever you have to do to make the connection between the towns as well as the good ones i'm not quite sure of the answer that you discover make the connection of a ten foot path r have are alternatives we're going to start chasing that basis i could repeat what i heard just make sure i got it right is there likely options we just don't know what they are right yes world possible often right we just don't know which one connector connection between the because of those restrictions on the north and north side of the downstream side of the muddy good crossing that was not a good place to try to move forward to and it doesn't necessarily connect with the future there's  you're having right now so let's just say this is the alternative best chosen or whether the it's the one with the ten foot the average commuter who is not going to want to get on the shared use path for various question right i just going need to ask just to make sure it was or maybe it wasn't looked at was it all a thought about putting the bike path off on not part of the crossing but a separate crossing for the bike path to counterbalance it carol we will in the study of you know recommendations for next steps and funding sources will be part of that study you know it's not relevant to which selection which alternative selection as much today as they can be glad you brought it up so the reason for going with the precast is primarily the shorter time the road is not closed to traffic  wait it's just if there are concerns about wildlife habitat or quarter horse and when would that possibly force us into a precast i mean sorry a cast in place to take structure versus a precast sure we'd be open for communication i understand why that might be because of two step doesn't have a different view the world put together a memo recommending that they approve something similar and will recommend a quote consent agenda but of course to the time coming up on time brief the board on what the town's done the last decade in the kind of looking forward what's on deck and we tried something new for some public outreach on this over the last month we've built a map here planning and public works put together so everything in orange is number of things that are proposed we asked folks to go through on the map and react to it and place a pen to give feedback we found and i looked at that just kind of what our trends were and this was in a scientific survey  i think we had sixty pins drop some more by the same people multiple locations i think imagine three or four of those it gave you the option to say what street you lived on to make a comment if you wanted to so i kind of looked at that was kind of quality of analysis just on that sample and five responses looks through two just down from here between here and french hill and that's actually a challenging area french hill area but also kind of neighborhoods that are down the street here as well so what we did is we looked at projects because they're in the circle sort of study and now it's kind of looking when it's going to be in the in the to plan the transportation permit plan the board on those then open up the boards ninety questions about projects that they can  completed proposed projects feedback received at least this year she's the expert on projects  zoning they've been involved with all the stuff that went on with the circle turn that it's projects they've been involved with those studies that were done and conducted so i believe it's pretty consistent i think they have some trails and public works looked at the map with her to make sure it was most up to date but make sure thing was aligned with reality it is today and we engineer some of the projects through the circle turn into this work i guess the question i'm asking is and i'm going to give the best example i can give is they always talk about at a university if you were to decide where to put sidewalks at a university best and you could do is build the university with no sidewalks watch where people go in the past get worn in it put sidewalks there so i guess my question is along the lines of in the ideal world answer you know yes no you know it does one hundred percent type thing but i just i'm trying to get that that's hard for me to evaluate to judge and so i'm looking for guidance about how does this what what's being proposed exactly in knowing what's what's on the agenda to be constructed or to be further in design or we don't have any areas technically as you know i've been here for ten years i've been doing sidewalks and paths for last ten years and i'm usually the first person they call when somebody says hey i want to pack their can we connect these two sections so i hear a lot from the community in regards to what sections are missing and what sections are and we haven't had any requests the last big requests we've had  connecting where park limb which we're working on we're in the design process of that we're hoping to go to construction i believe twenty twenty one for that project so that was the last major one that i've heard about over and over again for people coming forward and saying  i know there's been a concern about hurricane lane coming down into but down by marshall and you can see where the footpath is for the people that are coming down there but that's also going to be part of the state when they put their rest area and on the other side of the interstate that's going to be constructed too so that's in the works as well so there's nothing really new that we're proposing to design study or move forward with we're trying to see if there's any information that anybody else has brought to your attention that we need to look at terms of maintenance of the past you know the path to get to from the old stage road to the we say you have to put that on your property and we'll pay for it to be installed that you maintain it's getting pretty and there was a piece that fell down and it was that one piece was put back up and it's kind of you know ok i will stay with this outreach mechanism some comments that we heard for these proposed pieces that have been out there for circle turners are these these gaps that people are looking for that connection to go from point a to point b they say would be great if this path continued here so it could have this connection i run on mountain view road all the time and for my children to walk a beer back connections so the reader read what was proposed with some of these major that piece of community back along the lines would be the maintenance and stuff like that that's a big thing that i've been pushing with the state of vermont they'll pay for us to install and construct and design all these paths and sidewalks but they've to come up with a funding source to go in to maintain existing facilities like as you know if you walk through the village there are some areas that need to have some concrete slabs removed in report because either they're on even or the shifting and cracking but we need to find the funding for that the only way we can get it is a mere budget because there are no funding sources state or federal aid for those and i've been trying to get the trans in the buy compared people to look at that i mean it's been going on for ten years and been providing funding for people to construct all these paths but yet you don't provide minutes ten years now those things need maintenance regularly probably look at that of their heaving and that's probably something we should look at you know and talk about the  you know the construction of it but similar to the fence we're talking about at the homeowners association it's the town who you know needs to do the maintenance and if you are budget for maintenance of sidewalks and kind of regional planning i think it was two years ago went around and did it in inventory of the troubled areas and we have that information so we started putting that into our budget so we can go out meeting them as we can but as you know infrastructure is always on the back shelf in this time and money and that's really what it comes down to what's the net see the only thing planned is the blair park that's the only thing currently funded to be designed and constructed at this time where the the responses you heard from people are in your chimed in on and like eric said most of the comments that were made were sidewalks or areas that have already been investigated and there's been scoping studies or alternative presentations and then the preferred of those rate with those are and with the with the current situation is just so we can be reminded yeah and i think that was kind of the purpose of this this memo that he drafted was to give you a feedback of ok this is what we've task corners and then mount the all the way down the industrially up those are the two big ones because the projects yes this topic it doesn't mean we have all the staff people on the street however because there are various levels of training they'll have to get we have one of the academy now only have one scheduled to go in the academy the full time academy  in january and then we have of a third candidate who is already a trained police officer but in the other state and that individual will have to go through problems and but i wasn't under the impression that we because of contractual issues that we could inquire about them we had similar change carry about we'll if  there are particular things in the collective bargaining agreement that dictates how grievous or hell our right inducted and complaints and things like that which really shouldn't come to us in that but there are there may be to ask a question if not i'll move on to the quarterly report which you just received tonight i want to explain that one of the reasons why you get it will eat like th i don't get all the information we don't get all the information that gets included records and that's great about that and so it's always a struggle to get it to you in time for this meeting but that being said you we've had in years of the it's an international conference so there are a number of community countries represented and so that's enriching in and of itself i will also will say that  trends and issues they thought and what i'm hoping to do is get all that to you in writing that will be for a month or tuesday night so hopefully maybe by this friday we'll be able to see you least see that i each department who can briefly present that and discuss it when they'll be opportunity for questions and then after that we will take a short break for dinner little bit of socializing and then six thirty we're back into