everyone's going twice hearing nothing and moving on to scheduling a joint meeting with the d r b i sent an e mail to everybody then hear back from everybody easy discussion of p c rule the hiring process of new town planner so this is the idea that in the past p c had a higher role more recently not so much a high roller and involvement in the town planner hiring process i did asked him to come on this like board to give us a little bit of input on how disliked was approaching the  process this time of hiring process of the involving the well the whole process was what level of involvement with the planning commission they see we do have coffee as are all the resumes which we are going to go into executive session in the second half of this meeting we're going to generate some kind of a i guess recommendation is that the idea that will forward to this like board  and to use with as whatever level that they choose to but i'm against him would you could just kind of give us a couple words about how you're approaching it this year i think we're following the same one of the slip of the plan is to provide support planning commission in which role they are the representative direct order instructed representative  scheduling for the interview yeah ok so what i'll do is all interact with todd on the and make sure he's aware that and since he's thinking about dates times that we will be kidding with that so we can try to best spin this as we given to you and then those are the those are the five that you're interview and the reason i say that is the process being slightly backwards given that as you have already stated this person is working as from you or your recommendations we'll look at the assuming that you're fairly rational those probably are probably a large number you know that neither of us would consider  so the select board last night was talking about some sort of stopgap measure  to address their concerns about what could happen in the commercial district tween now and whatever point it is that that we have something to put forth for public hearings to be adopted  and again i asked him to be here to kind of give us a little bit of input to the planning commission on why they're thinking of that and how that relates to what we're doing so that there's not a we thought that was pretty clear our reading rules and when and because we thought the thing was very clear and because we don't believe we should make a practice as a sawyer for of but we did we did get involved and when it was brought to the and a decision was made which we disagree with other people can disagree you know we don't but we were disappointed we then but dissipated and they and they appeal to the environmental court which all made the same in our y it would be cost so we're on we're not pleased with the outcome but it is what it is so we feel the the right thing to do is to step back a these rules that clearly failed they failed to implement the intended box and fix it but we fully understood and you have a process going and we respect that process we don't wish to interfere with that you don't want to you know try and you know drive you faster that makes sense it'll take whatever time it takes in the meantime we feel there's a vulnerability that in effect we discovered a hole in the net that we thought was we thought the n that was pretty safe would prevent that and it did so and until we get to a more systematic systemic permanent solution we powerless at risk for more things like that not least because the momentum of that creates a whole presumption about the character of the neighborhood which encourages stillmore not only did something slip through but in slipping through it made a whole bigger and we'd like to take some kind of interim measure to temporarily plug that hole until we are able with your right to address the matter more holistically when i'm quite sure what's the best way to go and our new counsel was here last night we asked her  vice what the options were legal options procedural options and substantial options that was a fair discussion where i think we came down and several people here were w here last night as was done to correct me if i got it wrong was to explore two options one is a relatively simple option which can be done under our current process and that would be to take some language out of the existing rules but talk about should take measures to prevent the shallow and it becomes prevent strip development period and there are a couple of these things like that and it's i should back up our intended doing something is not to change what we perceive and what i think we've been very the town what was the policy which was to curtail script development we found out that all that is the policy clearly is the policy i mean we wrote the  law where the congress office it didn't work that isn't what got him looked so our intent for an interim period is to do whatever's in and do something that makes the current policy in manifest that actually makes it happen the way we intend not to change the policy and not to interfere with your investigations but state we thought that was our policy wasn't so let's try and just stabilize it and make that the actual policy and then down the road i'll do what we all decide we think we have to do so we're not attempting to change or make new policy we're trying to simply make the current part of the darn a hole in the net of the existing policy and so the mandate to the to the new pla do that accomplish that goal stabilize the existing car and make implementable and without changing and without interfering with the planned mission process so we came up with two things procedurally the simplest thing is what i just say and we could do that under our existing existing process going forward with the current changes we would have to have another zone but that point was not fully appreciated by either the d r p or the judge so we've got to make it stronger make sure we don't miss that in the futures but the point is relatively minor changes that can be done under a court process fairly quickly fairly and alternative is this to utilize the protocol for creating interim rules there is a protocol we can create in terms of the rules that last for two years the possibility of extension for one year that's not as big a protocol as actually making real promise on it was but it's considerably case we could be tougher and be the kind of language that's being considered is simply no retail development be more explicit  two fifty act we understand that's generated a lot of controversy but we also understand the controversy has kind of moved towards general consensus some kind of consensus of what you really should do to fix that and make it better and we would work we would work for that we would want to work with is to say the point is to do as little as possible palkot the point in order  regulation i think was is the idea i mean that's your basic point is i mean you know we thought it was clearly is right and people said it wasn't so yes so i mean that is what it is i mean i think from for me personally what would help me being involved in the discussions we're going to have in terms of the character of the of the commercial district is to hear from you in particular or the or the or or  your person because you're because you're very passionate about about the subject and about what happened but you know like you say that it failed to implement the intended policy well what in your view was the intended policy and what was what is it that it failed t we're talking about this we're still talking a little bit about sort of nebulous nebulous concepts of i'm experience clear as plain english we want any development which is suitable for the village south one seven hundred that's what it's about that's the policy clear i think most of the town knows that and believe that that isn't the problem the vision is pretty clear turning it into rules that ensure that each individual situation that's what happens clearly isn't so simple and clearly we fail to get you know  could possibly go in the village center then it can't go in the commercial district that i'm not sure that my i mean retail is a very broad term and i'm not positive but if you posit on the subject but it is if you if you hold this if you force is to say and we will respect how you come out but there you are you said that you would you would with the help of counsel be drawing up some language  that would for each of these two options or one of these options that you then might have when you have this meeting with the d r v and the planning commission you might actually say here is the language that we would like you to act upon asking we're coming out with a little rock the council come up with that i would say i would like and that was one of the reasons why the things we i think would be better all round if we could if you could be involved in that but we understand that you're you're really focused on the question of what do we do for the next ten years what do we do for the next six months or dressing the next six months and we don't want to interfere or are second have your process for thinking about the next ten years i think it would probably better be better if our decision for the six months was informed by any wisdom you have gotten back as always you understand we were it's not are we going to do this we are with this most certainly is anything this world and and and you don't have to it doesn't have to be perfect you know only asked the as we said last night i mean in these kinds of situations the the consequences of something bad happening because you let it go forward or we worse that if you delay something six dollars general will be built and the damage will be done it will never be undone that building won't be torn down for fifty years furthermore the pressure moving by creating a new definition new of the obvious definition of the character of the neighborhood not only does it some damage encourages more of that stuff so the making a mistake in that direction is far worse actually than delaying something that would otherwise take place six months because you can you can fix that problem you can't fix the problem where you want to build something and we delay it six months i mean it's a convenient awkward i'm a businessman so own bank loans go away or it's not trivial but it's not the same thing as being you reversible wants of once it's built irreversible so that the danger on one side is greater danger on the other that's why we're we're more inclined to be a little less fussy about a six month measure and a little more lean on the side of preventing bad things as against the balance of postponing something that might be good but but a summary of what we've been going through in our process of reviewing us over the last year and the exercises that we went through some of the things that we took away from looking at other towns commercial districts and some of the specific questions that we're focused in on now in trying to come up with an answer so that they can know what that is and may help feed into what they're doing with the attorney for the short term stuff they'll certainly let them know what we're doing and what we're working on of what's coming down the pike and they may give us some redirection on that it will be helpful to us it's remotely possible that before we actually make this decision we'll have a we'll have a new planning director and at least three of the candidates in that with our experience when a very substantial background who we would expect any one of them would be expect to be able walk in on day one and have meaningful contributions to this business so is possible why for now we shouldn't really be relying entirely on turning but when i got up and fortunately she's pretty you know she's she's any other questions for him this time on that ok we also had an air touching on the definition purpose which is getting back to what we were getting into before we get to the form based code but with the other things that we have on our agenda regarding the plan or we're going to set aside a second hour for that second session take a look at those resumes so that we can get some insight into the select board but before we do that i just want to touch base speaking of turnover of where we're at  as individuals in the planning commission for the coming year we've had you know there is only administrator a new player coming in and i think it's important that if there's if there's going to be any turn over here as well that  that it's known sooner rather than later to help with the as well as we can and smooth transition there i've already said that i'm not going to ask for reappointment the end of my  share if if in the e mail everybody was included in this there she was for it to me but she i think everybody was on it where she included a copy the two thousand and five community survey that we had the center for all studies do for it and i don't let's say i want to get into it but i want to make sure people had it they don't offer that on as well i thought it was kind of instructive because it did i took the time to look through it and it and there was certain questions in there that sort of fed into some of the stuff that we're talking here at the time there was a variety of responses you know to some questions were is kind of a broad thing but there are some specific questions that really seem to touch some buttons among the people surveyed that i think would  speak to the commercial district discussion that we're having this question about village center speakers district so we can bring that back in when we get into the commercial district ok what i did go to the select board meeting last night as that had suggested and it was a very productive discussion and i think just because the timing of their meeting was before body feel like for and even plain view on the discussion and handed out this document i gave it to donna i'd like to be able to share it with you eyes so that as you continue to work on and on in my i don't when working on something and they come with a cogent well thought out and well based argument for a waiver or a change that surprises us sometimes but those are the rules and that we are as various as you all go we have to follow the rules we'd like to make decisions based on them but that's not really our job professionally in charge of finding holes in the code they've been doing and and just use that as a as a check for where you got it right because we don't know how all these rules go go too far on the side but i'd like to say that i have a really good understanding about the rules fit and how but i don't feel confident to say that i will be able to find those all that's why i'm a professional well