there is not any unfinished business or tabled items under new business first one request for a one year extension to an approved development plan for six thirty seven apple avenue appledore an assisted living l l c is the applicant you'd like to come for oh no ok sorry if you wanted to see it is there anything that you want to say oh ok that's fine turn my thing on here is plenty commissioners know development plans and site plans are the initial approval of them is for an eighteen month period and if the particular property owner developer is unable to kind of pull the trigger and get the development going within that initial eighteen month period they are allowed under a zoning ordinance to come back and in request one year extension  to that eighteen month period so the applicant which is ample dohrn assisted living center is in that situation they own a property at six thirty seven apple lab a new which was rezoned to the p r zone district and they also got a sixty five unit assisted living center development plan approved by the city back in a year ago this past march or april somewhere in that timeframe and which then would take the validity of that development plan through i believe we have in the staff reporter september ten of this year so the applicant his is noted they are not going to be up there not in a position to be able to start construction this construction season but anticipate being able to do so in twenty seventeen and respectfully request the planning commission approve a one year extension to that development plan approval staff is a recommending the planning commission approve that with one condition being that all of the original conditions the approval for the development plan remain in effect letter b under new business a plan review for a new mixed use commercial and residential building to be located at forty four west eighth street in to cock properties if the applicant going to come forward you want mark to do it o ok let me cue up some of the stuff you're plan review application to develop forty four west saint this property is currently a city owned parking lot as everybody can hopefully see on the screens out there this subject property for some property along ninth street and should the site plan review be approved by the planning commission it's my understanding that the developer will execute that agreement with city council and that property exchange will will take place so what is specifically being requested by the developer they intend to build a four floor  new mixed use building on this current parking lot situation and i'm going to flip through some of the slides here and get to the color rendering because there are much more pretty and easy to understand what is being proposed building really kind of see the architectural detail and elements that are going into the building really intentionally trying to look like a downtown building that's been there for a while and  think the architecture is really bad that rather well with this you can see two on the left side of the screen there is a proposed public plaza area part of that plows is currently owned by the city hound in will remain being owned by the city in that part of it so let's just say roughly half and half that area is owned by the city and owned by the developer it will be a public pedestrian area as well as just a seating area for folks to gather the believe the applicant is looking to have a restaurant on the ground floor area and we could have some of restaurant activities spill out into this area also if they get in the door se permit here's another kind of shot straight out there looking to you can see hopefully see others proposed to be a new mid black crossing across  street so that's a part of this proposal also kind of another view point i hope i'm not stealing all the thunder of a truck and dog on this one but ok so let's a quick flip back to the actual site plan itself we can use this so a four story building along with the public plaza area is really what's being proposed the parking that's going to be displaced so to say to be going down to kind of the bottom left hand corner of this property so there will be an expanded parking lot on ninth street that will get access off from main street so people will be able to details to include in their staff is recommending approval of the site plan review with a number of conditions as noted in the staff report so i think it be doug to caucus here and then also nate bosh with g m p architects is here and needed a lot of the planning we've worked with g m b on this project and they've been involved with many downtown planning projects as well so the as you see gives a building is about eight thousand square feet on the main floor of the four stories and will be retail on the main floor and currently we are planning for two retailers to be there and then on the second and third floor will be apartments of the sixteen apartments on the fourth floor of the big three or four condominiums right now we have three plan so that will include the construction starting this fall and be are working on the central building and the center will be moving back into a portion of that building and a retailer into another portion of the building so the idea is to get that building done and then build this building and then rebuild the parking lot along one third street parking lot along once tree will then be open to the public and we'll have in excess of the amount of parking that currently is in the city lot that's there now so our exchange agreement with the city provides that we will provide additional parking and this ninth street which is located behind the buildings which would be similar to many of the other parking lots of downtown holland where they're on off of ninth street the stores will have back door entrances or entrances from both ninth street side and a street side and then the pedestrians can continue through the the public access area the the the park area i guess you could call it and then also there's a little area right where there's cross hatched parking lot space there and that is for loading and unloading so the intention there is that the delivery of the merchants will happen in the in that area right there were trucks will come in off of nineteenth street and circulate through the parking lot back up to that unloading and loading zone there and then by a cart merchants will take their products to their store and that will be a barrier free access walkway a delivery area for all the businesses both for this building and the businesses along river avenue there so all the town intention is that there will be a public open area well that with snow melt so that it's easy to access and that the  people will feel free to shop there and deliveries of materials and pick up for customers all those types of things and then also we have a dumpster location added and we intend to work with the d d a and have a combined dumpster for this block on this end and then potentially want to get on the on the west end at a future date for some of those businesses and those are the same types of dumpster locations that we've done in other blocks that we've been involved with redeveloping as well i think back over maybe to nineteen ninety eight ninety nine when we first moved our business to and we were rebuilding an alleyway between river and central and that didn't have a dumpster and it didn't have a walkway a pedestrian walkway and it had lots of wires and things saying it over and  i reminisce about that because i think of this with all the old wires that are back there now in the sentinel that is being changed over and and i think how that has changed over fifteen years what this block could look like  in the future as well so i think we'll see more things come here as well potentially of future buildings as we get more tenants so this is the beginning of of the east end of this project and then we'll continue to the west so those projects will be rolled out as we know more with tenants and the no any questions no comments i think we talked about this new study session the building looks really neat so ok thank you at this time i'll open a public hearing on the site i'm here you have any comments or questions you may come forward to the microphone you state your name and address doors from readers world it's called design works ok and i have thoroughly enjoyed every aspect of that location it's for me my business is home design business i go to a lot of homes so i want to be able to explain why i have to have some concerns here while mt not let me go back i really want to say how supportive i am of the gate into cocked their development i think i'd be very positive about that so not to be negative but we have delivery of furniture we u p s invent eric's would not be a problem for delivery i think they provided nicely for that i think i've gone over to see where the loading zone is and it really is very acceptable for us from that point of view the one that's behind the it's being redone with the new sentinel i'm think that's claim it's just that one of the concerns that there are several concerns i have is that area and how do i pointed out do want me to go over there do i have a marker or something mark can help ok tell me where well is the area right and it's the area from eight story to will say though my purposes and i have to say i'm sad because originally i was told there was going to be a drive through and i guess that's been put aside which is still a disappointment to me because the way my business is set up i go out to homes and i realize this is a very specific thing you can't change business or change this because of one person but i take loads of stuff out to houses and loading them back in and i don't know if either businesses go through this i don't think so i think that the baker store down there has some separate issues but it's just unique to mine so it's that that being able to get to the back of my store which is a double door absolutely wonderful which is critical and i want to be able to get to that and i can't and the other part that i've felt and talking to a few people that might be an acceptable compromise if that's the word is that presently right behind reed is world there are two handicapped spaces and i have to say i've observed constantly that they are constantly in use i mean coming and going i don't think there's too much long long term parking i even observed the other day that people that were using the city hall the police station who are using those handicapped spaces so it's used for that and i understand those are those are going to be eliminated and that part of it i think is where i really find that there's a good compromise potentially and you're probably looking at me wondering what the heck happened to me i've got this wonderful thing and it just turns out that i'm one of those lucky people which i have to say having a conversation earlier with a very you know ok and i you know we all do i guess dumb things and i fell doing exercise class and i broke my back and this is my point of view is that this is going to happen to all of us during our lifetime we're all i hate to say it now maybe not all high percentage is going to be temporarily disabled or mean permanently disabled and i feel really that this city is so welcoming to people of all ages that this is an area that i think we could be very proactive and encouraging people by having handicapped parking right on that side street there on a street it would also provide an opportunity for me i think that might help me be able to load  karsh you know i think that's really it is that i don't know how else i can post wrongly how much more strongly i can express my wish and hope that you'd consider that seriously and i i'm not sure who it is that makes that decision or who is umbrella that's under but it's something that i think is very important i understand that the city has allowed good one for they the police station but that's a distance away and this is right on eighth street i just think it's wonderful one of the last minute thing there just occurred to me joe on a separate subject is we have we sometimes have difficulty with that cord or through there people that live at the mission and that i hope that that is really where all there is really well let because we had to call the police department a few times for people i name is jane johnson i live it four four two lakeshore drive and i just have one question about the apartments in this proposal how many bedrooms will lay hands on and do does the builder developer kno you can come to the microphone those will be one and two bedroom apartments and the rents have not been determined but they'll be market rents for other as compared to other downtown apartments right thanks chuck can you come out of the thought process and she's entirely right we wanted that as well but do the fact that they couldn't get the access to go through continuing all the way to ninth street it became a pedestrian access instead of vehicular access so the maybe plan b could be that there would be additional street extra readers world i think that could be a very good idea and that's something the d d a could spend some decisions looking at it could even be possibly on river that there could be a loading zone with the parking spaces that are striped currently i think there are some options there that you know we as a community need to think about as this block develops more intensely with the revision of the city parking lot going away on an eighth street and becoming a city parking lot on one three so that we think about loading zones on each street as well thank you still a public hearing that anyone else would like to come forward equate to approximately the same amount of spots there are now if we're adding restaurant retail and housing is there going to be any place in the area that that will increase i know even for us right now we have some difficulty the only public's parking spots right by our store is currently the one that downtown police are directed to park at and i know for us our customers are already frustrated that there is not a lot of public parking places available in that vicinity so is that going to increase or is it going to basically remain the same as what there is now right thank you you want to answer sure thank you so you know in the in the immediate future there will be this new surface parking lot on one street that we're talking about in and as you as you know if there's going to be more residences going in this building more and more commercial uses to the longer term vision for this area though is that as as the developer presumably continues to develop going down west or going down  street is that there would be a parking deck located in the interior part of this block between river and pine avenue in eighth and ninth street so people are looking into the future and saying you know there is going to be the need for for additional of public parking in this area and and so we are definitely you know we're looking towards doing a parking deck there too and in the future so you're talking about the one similar to seven  know if you would be a two story or three story i haven't seen anything like that i just know that there is more than just discussions probably some some good planning going on towards that when we get to that point where that becomes a reality and we want to do the parking deck still a public hearing if anyone else would like to come forward on the site ok how close the public hearing discussion questions or comments from planning commission members i guess i might i'm not planning commission member but i'll trip in here a minute there was some discussion about you know looking at a potential handicap of some additional handicapped parking spots on eighth street i sit on the traffic committee and i know there's been some discussion about getting some additional handicapped parking spots on a street that should probably be something that that committee is is maybe directed to study a little bit more  the notion of having a loading zone not street by readers world that's a no we kind of talked about that in the traffic committee meeting also i mean and i've just noticed anecdotally you know when i go downtown i see an awful lot of u p s trucks parked right alone on the corner street and it's not i don't believe it's technically a loading zone but they're they're using it as one right now so that might be something that the city wants to look and also those are all be good ideas for things that we should follow up and do yes i'm going to make a suggestion i don't know who does this but in the lot behind our offices on the north side of eighth street there is a fifteen minute parking spot there and it actually works and so that might be something that could be done in proximity to those businesses for the ends and outs of traffic third item on your new business a plan review for phase two of the cook village student housing development to be located at eleventh street between lincoln in fairbanks avenues hope college is the applicant mark you want to take this to  of operations at hope college the project is a six unit development student housing housing anywhere from forty two to forty eight a maximum of forty eight students its intent just a couple months existing cook village phase one slightly smaller scale but still keep the character of brick and stone that is exhibited in the cook village phase one we have additional parking to the east of the site we've owned the property to the east and that would have is approximately ninety to one hundred vehicles some of that relegated to the student residence and some for overflow parking for divorce field house financial soccer stadium and the smith football stadium it's a fairly nice project we don't anticipate starting that for possibly a year but want to get all the documentation and permitting done ahead of time so if we have an opportunity would be shovel ready for the project  not show great thank you any question this does require a public hearing so at this time thank you i will open a public hearing on the a five minute state your name and address please jane johnson for four to lake shore drive my question is on the parking lot is going to be put there or will it be a permeable parking lot so that the water that falls on it will not run off and go other afternoon my name is myron beatty i live it to seventy east twelve street across from this project and my neighbors are concerned about a broom being put up there to protect them from cars the lights from the cars coming into their windows they're concerned about a fence being put up there are some type of barrier to stop these people from going in and out between their residences to this new area where they're going to have this parking lot i am also concerned about the security of the students in this area when they put these new units up i leave it to seventy on the other side of the street that's the south side i have had numerous problems with students around my neighborhood around my building around my house huge parties behind my house probably fifty one hundred kids roller there they had this thing called mayday and there was probably a fifty to one hundred kids behind my house drinking carousing there's an empty lot next to me they go back and forth through there i would i would imagine twenty to thirty kids walk through there during this time period when they had this party they don't stop at the end of the sidewalk they crawl over in front of my house and they walk in front of my yard almost up to my door now i really think the city needs to take a second look at how the they're going to propose this the residents in this area we have been kind of pushed out of this thing i've lived there for twenty five years and i've seen my residents go from my area go from twenty percent maybe even less rentals up to about eighty percent on my street now i don't really want to move i'm worried i'm going to retire pretty soon i want to stay there i pay my taxes on time i've never delinquent any of my taxes i don't want to leave but i do think that the residences of this area need a little bit more consideration on how all these proposals and how these projects are handled and how they're put forward living in places not necessarily managed by the college one of the advantages having students in college housing we do have paid staff that hopefully manage their nighttime activities the may have bent is a known fact and  to college i apologize for the experience you have we're not able to control students who live in non college housing we have worked with a student of element has worked with the home and public safety to try to  manage down some of the poor choices that are students make and we are active in that and i think it we would welcome your input for student life office to say hey here's the things i've experienced give us some information that we can begin to address at the college so i do apologize for that so i think it's a six foot high fence and i'll help you with the lighting problems and what was that tim i'd like to support that ok all those in favor right opposed all right thank you still coming forward if i if i might have the time based on our conversation earlier with some of the nuances and some of the unknown policies associated with us that are quite defined and some  concerns or carl brought up can we please table this to a study session where we actually have some time to talk about it support next meeting as long as we don't put ten pounds in a five pound bag here and expect to get it all done in twenty minutes like this agenda attempted to do so you're recommending to take it one step at a time m m i would imagine would give us a august meeting fly with me i can tell you that as of right now we don't have anything on the docket for the july meeting that can change but right or stand but let's try and limit things then so we actually have time to  all right moving on five under new business recommendation to thirty council to approve the draft refill young talent master plan for distribution to incumbents from adjoining minister palette use and other entities as required by state law planning commission is the applicant so we did not have time during the study session to to really jump into this i don't know if plenty commissioners want to spend time debating it or if you'd like to take this up at a future meeting also that's that's for your prerogative such as that to say with staff we are very pleased with the document that we have we're confident that going up to four for public comment would be the good prudent thing to do if we wait a month that's not that's not really a big deal  it's you know it's still in draft format so really what the action that you may choose to do tonight is in making a recommendation to council would be to actually have them then approve ok whatever you'd like to do all right we did have a very early extensive conversation about this document prior to having the open house were there any changes made to this document from a document we saw prior to the o no no the only changes that will be forthcoming are going to be some grammatical changes and so forth the consultant is still sifting through that ordinance we do have all of the suggestions from the june second open house and it probably be a good thing for you to review those comments because you may want to include some of that stuff i guess you know right right now i would no city staff comment it is scheduled for the june twenty second city council study session already next week that was the schedule we set out you kno ago just a heads up to you know it at this point i think i mean this is really it's a planning commission document it needs to get city council approval also i mean the bottom line is going to be what are you comfortable with if you're comfortable  making a recommendation to city council to send it off for distribution then by all means do that well after that we sent it out as a draft document yes very much so and we wouldn't do that a second time we only do that once just one times and you know for drafts of what is what is council going to do to it they're going to make it a not draft document on the twenty second our intention you know we were assuming you were going to have time to review the spin study session ok i mean our assumption is what you know we're going to spend a half hour or forty five minutes one hour with city council and they're going to want to run down you know ok staff what do you what he got in here what's the planning commission proposing so  sorry yes you know another another alternative and you could always have a special study session a week or two from now if you if you so choose you do realize it's summer in west michigan i didn't realize that and we got a lot of so you are proposing for the next meeting for july twelfth like well and we have a support from thirty feet to thirty five feet and we have a person that would like to make a little modification on their deck and right now they aren't allowed to do that because of the back and the three ok confusion well what's the actual sub back there is a thirty or thirty five thirty five thirty five so what we're working from the trailer all is your microphone so this this development was approved what done twenty five thirty years ago or so ok so this is the best documentation i've been able to come up with in the files for the development plan for this so a dimension that's delineated right here as being thirty five feet ok so staff is making the assumption because we haven't been able to find any documentation anyplace  else but we're making the determination that the this being the development plan that this thirty five feet is what the planning commission said is going to be the the minimum setback requirement along this entire self property line or or from the south property line ok and just to reiterate this this area right here is a part of matter but park so probably not going to really ever be developed other than for recreational stuff so the the proposed  condo unit that wants to put this addition on is located right here and it's it's eight hundred ninety three staff is recommending that should plan a commission want to adjust this a thirty five foot seven back to something lesser than that and staff is fully supportive of doing that that we end up having in saying that whatever that number is that is applied to all of these units all along the south property line here so if you want to adjust it from say thirty five feet down to thirty or twenty five feet that that then be the new governing setback for that area so i think that i would reasonably sure that none of them are at thirty feet just one of them you know and we know that overlay the formatters yeah so a bit and i couldn't find my copy over the course of where you measured of specifically from a ninety three to the property line and it measured thirty feet at that building but if you look at look at all the rest of them they're all more than that and the one next to it assuming the dimension is right is thirty five so i don't the ground of buildings you know is that if it is if it's thirty feet that's what it is right and you need another six no i actually yes i need another six well they can extend  what's required of the kind of development typical condominium developments were we shoot for about twenty five feet very art setback and that you know and that's in a situation then we're where you're going to have a rear yard typically have a rear yard to a rear yard orientation you know here we got a rear yard orientation to a public park and it's heavily wooded in this entire area here so i mean i two you know in order to do what they wanted so you know you have to come back well now i think you i mean if you're inclined to provide  some some relief here then i think you go with a number and if they get out there and they they run a tape in a site oh my gosh we need you know we need another foot to have then it's like i think your room just became a foot and i have a small that's alternately for the planning commission to decide that feel good about twenty four years six feet and i don't want to actually give anymore if you look at the you know nine thirteen is on that diagram there and if you go over a boat to the to the left the last building of those four that's about where the outfield fence is lined up  with other ball diamond behind those condos if that makes any sense but i think we're going to give you the six feet is what i'm sensing and good one time which would make the setback be twenty four feet so when you go to go do this project you're going to want to make sure that what you're going to do is twenty four feet from that progress if it turns out that you can do it with and maintain that twenty four feet then you get to come it may be the kind of thing that is so station may want to make sure where they are relative to boundaries to just for your own self protection yes so you know i don't know what it cost to have somebody come up to shoot that line to the maximum you well there is a fence like i'm sorry the fence goes from whether the fence is way to the right which would be to the west and the fence goes down to and i'm going to give you some rough probably about where that that like indicated that line before kind of where that at the end of that one thirteen you go left of the end of the building there's a but the fence goes east and west goes down another couple probably to the middle of that next building it ends there and then you go down towards the ballgame and obviously there's a fence around the outfield so it's kind of about halfway down the property on that so s calls in favor all right the post goes through thank you communications and petitions scheduling public hearings there aren't any communications from commission members communications from staff none