last meaning there's a joint meeting with city council planning commission and the housing commission at the sixth meeting really the main purpose of that meeting is for the housing commission to to  to discuss their recommendations on inclusionary housing with council there's not necessarily a direct role for the planning commission other than to be there to hear that discussion so you are are you are encouraged to attend if you're able so you can hear firsthand what the discussion is going to be a valid because ultimately we will be tasked with developing those regulations going forward so that's i just one of the remind you all of that work that august sixth meeting look long it's just if you if it's helpful to have that then you got so economic activity sort of first thing out the last time we talked about the vision statement and specifically for this vision statement we're spending a little time on it because the city council did have a question about whether their small town feel was still right so i put in here the bran story just so you got it in close proximity to be able to sort of figure out if that helps you with this or not then you've got the original vision statement there and then two options my recommendation is option two you think it just helps to simply get to the point it's our city not a city not a small city not a large city  and it doesn't have the sort of subjective nests of small town feel so that's my recommendation just second option is there too but there that definitely is starting to get a bit away in context of the master plan development is that the potential of not even necessarily including these vision statements and tying them so directly to the strategic vision at least in each section so instead potentially putting the strategic vision statement with with that additional information in the introduction so we can also include the brain story we can believe in the strategic vision talk about the context of when the power went in how the strategic vision was developed instead of trying to associate each section with that vision statement and maybe kind of this is so seeding a little bit from the content that the actual text of the document and more have it in the introduction of here's where we're coming from with this plan and that's why we have the sections we do based on this community process to develop the strategic vision instead of again waiting until each section to include that so it's not maybe doesn't set up the section play as much of saying well here's what the vision is that's what i should expect in the section i like the air together so that's something we can we can do so we don't lose sight of the the actual that was done through the community process we can also bring in as as regina mentioned the brand story with some of the brain the thing and all of that in the introduction and kind of put it in context of what it was and how it was developed record so with that we want to sort of think about this now or do we want to just sort of put it off until it gets in that other form introduction  wasn't all right snow last time you did not have an introduction in this chapter so you can't really does that work for fo don't think it's a big deal if you keep two thousand four because that's when the financing that's when we got the  there will be like more of the visual historic timeline in the introduction that gives a little bit more kind of what went on you know when the mills went down and what happened in the seventy's and eighty's and  what how much space do we have so i looked into allen brooks and mine are there they do lots of research on real estate and the region and they come out with or where every six months or so those numbers based on this where footage and the surrounding areas is what we've got now but they also talked about generally we've been a bit oversupplied on office space for a number of years the so in reading that i was mine are there doing like real time counts and sort of keeping on top of what's going on here in this region pretty accurately so i'm guessing that they that would be a pretty big hole in our office space and right now we do have a lot of office space will that change who knows it can be a while personally i think it would be just is telling in this report to say there are whatever i try to maintain or increase our share and here's what our here is now you know something like this and that where you kind of it leaves the door open i think for future  but also tells you yeah and i think you know this it's interesting because this  we should think keep this in the back room mind as we get down into the goal section because i think the concept of this plan is to stay a little bit high level you know what it's like we want we want more local businesses you know and that can be industry that could be office space  can be retail like in the you know more restaurants so we may not necessarily need to get down to this kind of like office versus industrial versus something else kind of new business and still regina just mentioned in the goals not to jump ahead with goal five kind of gets to that notion of target mean toward mean economic development resources towards high priority industries that demonstrate regional local employment opportunities so  just kind of keeping it at that higher level so we may i mean this is this is good data and i think it's important to have data points that talk about specifics but because we're only talking about the office breakout here and me it's kind we're talking about it in just this section refuel fokus industry i mean it really is heaviest into office and i think it needs to be more know we can do that and this is you know this section is going to end up being much more you know much less text and just actual data points and in for graphics so we can do that yeah like this after regardless of what you're feeling yes and there is a sentence at the end that talks now competition with burlington so for the handouts that you have to be on page fourteen the very last sentence starting on page fourteen think the overall feel i get reading this section is like and i had back and contributed to this but it's more like well these could be opportunities but here's why we might not have an agent and and there really geared towards identifying who are for retail and commercial services through our population as opposed to trying to  shit i mean should a sort of an assessment of our current restaurant scene and reputation for being a pretty destination be covered different from last time so if you recall at the last last time you saw us we pretty much everything that the economic development plan patented and had three tiers of things and goals and objectives and it had  s so what i tried to do was just to bring this all to one kind of level of statement and basically started with the goals that were in the economic development plan and then trying to bring in some of the objectives into that statement so the red text that you see here is what's kind of pulled into those statements then the other idea is to be so that this isn't just kind of like a list of statements that are a kind of sort of here elevated kind of pie in the sky without any real context that people would you know it would be without district discrete actions you're kind of like the audience is missing what you kind of mean by and so the thought was just sort of bring me and make is much more visual and bring in like whether it's a map or chart or a photo of what is an example of an action underneath each of these so that's like that's the concept and at the beginning of each of these sections just being very clear there are other outs to there are other plans that exist out there for when you see where a lot more depth happens right at the start so i'd love your thoughts on the statements themselves and the visual  conversation you know there are certain things that some members of the commission are pretty excited about i think that is going to be a core part of this document like we talked about the arts district or being a we have a number of other ideas and i guess i i think like looking at the level of specificity that we've gotten here we're kind of opening the possibility that i could be a future conversation that we're not really  so one comment i would make and i don't disagree with anything you said a lot of that detail where these particular items that are or very important the planning commission we can build into the implementation program and be able to then point back and say ok to implement goal to in the economic vitality section we're going to pursue mark's district actually exist whether it will it will actually it's going to be a part of the plan that is there will be an implementation program that is part of the talks about how we achieve these goals and objectives so that may be a way to get to those really specific items that are still you know there's been discussion of these and then interested in engaging in that way we can use the implementation program as a way to solicit the input from the community as sometimes it is a regulatory fire and on the other people who really need to influence the public's perception of their city and it's written in a way that's meant to be really acceptable and create branding bo diversified community that includes businesses or history you know walk a wall you know and that may be in a bunch of different chapters but maybe just a broad statement identify some of these things that we've talked about past you know and then we get into the the goals of a little bit more specific  the region being a foodie destination i am a i think we talked about capitalizing on the diversity of our could be better signage but yeah and i see and i'll let regina chime in on this too but i kind of see everything you just talked about as part of the implementation to be able to say these are the specific things we are planning to do with display and because they're supported by these various goals and really get into the detail over here we want to create an arts district or we want to create better way finding throughout the community so that people can stop and stay  thing it's right after that it's the unit option and then here's your high priority implementation but not you know again we can there's no there's no water that this has to go in specifically yes i'd say there's no order but we do have to do it right that we have to come up with what that is is so inside there we're coming up with those things either when we do each chapter ideally because we've been thinking about it  or we kind of keep things almost in life as we go through each chapter maybe we do one of these little brainstorming things at the beginning and then kind of have it in a  lot less this effect than saying we want an arts district like in my mind that said action and it's like i kind of really have just like conditions to not be able to break from that or something but then there's it's just a matter specificity we can say it however we want to say it but the more we just keep sort of acting like higher level goals at the top i don't know if that gets us to something more like on the ground like what are we mean the really really tricky thing about these plans are that there are a ton of things that the municipality has to do and the sort of it's difficult to kind of at the end of the day in an implementation component of a plan how well the city council under stand the amount of within your  have how much you want to put into keeping the train going without the railing and how much to really try to go do something new great and awesome and i think it's important to have that i knew great awesome so that the city does it like and as with a good you know buildings in the middle of town or something but it's it will be one thing to be able to say in this land these are these really great things that we want that might just be assist a list that sits there and goes nowhere if there isn't an effort made to figure out what does that mean in terms of resources how much is the city really going to give to that might be hard in a comprehensive plan to get to some of that but we can kind of i mean we can sort of just keep this up i think in a parking lot because once we get through this is the very first chapter and we want to tack we want to arts district we want to make sure we can get more stuff downtown to keep it going and thriving when we get the other chapters we're going to know what to make sure that water and sewer lines are not breaking in the freezing cold we're going to want to make sure that the river doesn't erode away or we encroach  on we're going to make sure that the deal with the album or would match or whatever the fact that things you know is it like there will be and there will end up being a whole lot but i think it makes sense to sort of have these things identified and we can as we sort of work through each chapter maybe we kind of just keep this list rolling and then we kind of figure out  how we do that how we marry the goals that we're kind of comfortable with in each chapter with what we're actually going to do so then i propose that as you go through guess where we are keeping it separately we definitely want to make give every time we're sort of going into a chapter we give a little space and time to this list and add stuff and it will be wrestling that last will be difficult at the end but i say w read that they thought that doesn't sound quite right   we may get into more detail in other ones and they need to revisit this to three to have it be compatible or we may be at a higher level than other sections and then realize that this is out of whack with that as well so that's a really good point it is a little difficult and economic development or economic vitality is a it's a it's a challenging section to start with as well so we may leave these questions and some of this may just work itself out as we get further into the development plan but it's a good point nonetheless that we don't lose sight of ok so i don't have any other specific questions on that this so i think that's happening we don't have those comments yet but we'll have those comments and get them incorporated back so for the most part the introduction try to gives a sort of a little snippet of each of the things that are kind of talked about in this draft include transportation and parking waste water water storm water energy communication ties in a little bit  for the insights section specifically there is all kinds of data we can include here what i've put in there so far are just a few transportation data points essentially little road traffic just because you do go a lot of people in here when you ski but that might not necessarily need to be something that we highlight mode that used to commute to work so that we really start to get some of the bike pad use in the city transit how much the bus is  think is a useful and interesting thing to keep up front then waste water is sort of the two pieces that we're pointing out here so a waste water system for the most part functions fine phosphorus targets that come out of the wastewater treatment plants so that's another kind of measure that is something you just be aware of and it's interesting because when you sort of hitting that target you might get kicked into doing some improvements of the plant showing what the tropical like there i think is important secondly i recently came across a document and i don't remember much of or it's on but it might be the document that you were using to get these numbers number for the city did that had a map of the city with color coded streets showing traffic numbers so it was a little bit more comprehensive as if it had a little he and every major street was color coded and mean we could just conclude that graphic in here and i would  providing the facts about the usage of murder out which is useful but i do know that you have a bad reputation regionally as the best place that is very difficult to park and a lot of people say they w people percentage so that we need to say like like why is that like is there something you can say that we can address the issue in here and then the way the second thing at least in my demographic of people the small children i find that another issue is finding spaces that are located close to the place that they're going so that they they have a car seat or stroller it's easier to access and i there's plenty of parking  anything that that if this is true but we're still in the situation the question is why we need like is it that people don't know where the parking garage is a very tragic this and in fact the case maybe we need to see something and part of this too is that it really would be harmful to have staff read this because the study is saying one thing but where what where the city council is today and what they're doing and where they're going with it  i don't know yet so hopefully we get the proper reviews of this stuff that we need in order to help us understand where they're going right now and you know complete the utilized but the perception is still whatever like we can do it kind of quickly easily need graphic beast to try to get the point and here to  don't even have sidewalks on one side of the street and in a lot of areas of the sidewalks are in pretty rough shape then yeah and so i know that that's come up at some of the  about thinking when really thinking about adding states that is possible on this year which could go into different sections but that is something meeting we sort of landed on this place where the goals and objectives should be a little bit like high level and not specific and a lot of that stuff on your list of specific so we have to sort of old timidly at the end of the day figure out where we're going with the specificity right so both of them that lands might make the most sense for this section is just oh let's drop right down into the goals then where i do see sidewalks mentioned you know there it is less and just try to hit some things that seemed kind of like they're sort of are missing a little bit what's included at the very bottom of this are the specific goals statements from the transportation plan and the actions from the parking study just so you have them for reference but i think if we're going to kind of go with this strategy that we talked about at the last meeting this list of ten kind of hit really twenty seven actions are not from the transportation master plan are not included in here but there are they did a good job in that plan there's twenty seven which is not enormous but they're high level action medium so they really did a good job of prioritizing   and that number eight is about parking and so  i don't necessarily know if what the parking plan says is where the city has been headed or what the transportation master plan says is where the city is having but we can figure that out get some input from about where they're headed and then that larger point that we talked about earlier i think also number nine could probably be sort of two separate things that first point about support you till you prove mensing conjunction with municipal structure improvements so that's where you're going to see things like if you can happen if there's money to underground utilities that's how that's going to happen if there's a way to put in sort of added green spaces that's how that kind of thing is that to happen  might want to separate the second part of that which is really more about telecommunications and really trying to support something like a ton by having the right amount of infrastructure in place for that to happen but and so just for underground utilities  it's definitely one of those things that's like awesome of course like that's where you want to go it's just but it's also one of those things that might be like a tough time in your hands kind of thing if we're depending on how we're saying it in the play and you know i mean we talked about it before as yeah yeah and i would just say it's when the city is just going to improve sidewalks or having to pull up sidewalks the sidewalk is like the it's like the our heart of the skin the easiest like no problem we can handle that and that does not necessarily mean there will be the ability to underground utility lines just for sidewalk project it's like the sidewalk if you don't do the right great from the beginning that rock right ok let me just check my list to make sure so i don't have any other specific questions but so let's just take a few minutes are there anything i don't like where you want to cash in parking lot less than that we should include we got the sidewalks about the future of transportation engine and how that bites need to have the c place on the road to trial i just do i know it's going to slow you guys down your cars but the reality of the situation is coffee and you know whatever it is that's fine but i do believe that it would be very nice if we had one that went along the river and the some of that live in that neighborhood after it's just the about that that way that my entire bathroom like this every night and i did a lot of research on that and that's not a typical kind of feature in a residential area because it does have all sorts of environmental impact on the way people live which has also had to trickle down effects for for president like not being able to get good sleeves are you know and that can affect an entire community still in making decisions on there and all that we did was flashing yellow and it was there and that was as far as i understand it was changed to the flashing red because it was a traffic calming to get people to slow down they'll stay on it because before that was like that yeah could you can't come in from cold chester and be doing forty five until you get up here to the police station so that was that's why that's like that and just just in terms of i mean this is totally off topic but i understand i hear your feel your pain about that because some new house went up across the street from us and there's a light that's on shining into my bedroom twenty four seven that way is on and there's nothing i can do about it because it's on private property so i understand what you're saying but on the other the next meeting just as a question can we all are ok with genius note about not including the transportation master plan goals in this document that the last couple