good evening everybody this is the time and the place for the meeting of the board of appeals of the city of holland we are here to respond to application for construction zoning variances and or special exceptions housing and dangerous structures this board must try to interpret each application as it relates to city ordinances this port is not empowered to rezone or take any action that could be considered rezoning variances must meet for crucial tests in order to be granted those  variance have already answered questions about the tests on your application we'll be asking you about those answers again tonight this is the procedure we follow we ask that you come to the microphone to speak and state your name and address will hear the applicant first and anyone supporting the application and then anyone in opposition to it typically will hold a public hearing an application and then deliberate and decide on their application before moving on to the next application you are welcome to stay for the deliberations but there is no opportunity for further public comment if you like not to stay for a deliberation decision you can call the city clerk's office after eight thirty tomorrow morning to learn the results we will hear the applications in the following order construction zone and housing in dangerous structures but before we open up the proceedings in a public hearing and could you please provide a brief education exactly the tests that the board is faced with tonight yes thank you mr chairman for the opportunity to remind the board and id that there is one variance request tonight which has to meet the four crucial tests there are two conditional use applications that have an entirely different set of questions and tests there is one special exception requests that has comes with its very own special questions and standards that you have to find are met and one construction board of appeals application which has nothing to do with our local ordinances but everything to do with the state requirements for the construction board of appeals and those are very different questions so if anybody in the audience is wondering why perhaps the board asked me about parking what he didn't ask the other guy is because it's not part of their tests so there's only one variance to conditional uses a construction board in a special exception thank you very much in with that i just want to reiterate there's at least one application here that all of us no it does a tremendous job but the job that we're faced with up here is to ask in answer specific test about what the city ordinance says and what the variance is asking so that's kind of the set up and so with that this can you please read the first application yes you how angry company sixty six and seventy two east street is request to staal dormy between two bell begins with a two hour higher rated automatic shutter door we will be eight feet wide thank you is there an applicant i would like to speak on behalf of this d perhaps you have more so keep in mind but the application itself seems very basic for what to us are some very specific and or complicated questions so please keep that in mind we can move forward safe than not not you know hole in this wall and there's tabular square foot area that we need to look at and the one nine hundred ninety three code was restrictive and then it was superseded and made even more restrictive so i just want to provide that set up to keep that in mind that we can vote table as to the next meeting or we could proceed with the application is read some interesting was in expecting that that does throw me a little bit of what about it just real quick to interpret we will look at whether or not the your interpretation of the code is incorrect or the code does not apply or only option is that something equal or better to the code is proposed so on the something that the code in question here is correct we need to find out whether or not something equal or better and by all i do feel that the proposal is equal to what the code is and in that context of what kind of the guy would be here because i believe in the health safety and welfare but i'm tempted to suggest that we tabled and i could review this further with opening in a party wall if both buildings were fully sprinkled and the two thousand code that changed that even if both buildings were fully sprinkled you could not make an opening in a party well and it has not been changed since two thousand oaken two thousand and twelve even if both buildings are sprinklered you prohibited from making opening in a party while so we want to give you the opportunity to go back and serve your pencil and take a look and see if you can permission to operate a community meeting place for fifty stratford way as a conditional use the zoning board of appeals is allowed to grant permission to operate a conditional use if certain conditions are found to exist responses from city departments are to be as well and from the finance department from the city of dallas ok thank you very much is there an african i would like there live at eleven eighty sorento court in the past president of heights of hope and now the chairman of our community center project and we have been operating as a christian community development organization in holland heights since t really service the people of that community so we began really renting an apartment at four fifty seven stratford way at that time we were granted a conditional use for that one bedroom or two bedroom apartment as a community center meeting place we've grown to the point where we want to expand and we've purchased in november of this past year the property at four fifty stratford way and it's our vision to renovate that facility into a more permanent community center and we're before you tonight seeking a conditional use variance for the property at four fifty stretford way i have with me representatives from the community  you mention in your application that this will be a facility being used for community gathering will it be used also mentioned in there that it will be used for as a facility where counseling will be done that there's mentoring we do are of youth at this time some tutoring and that type of thing so the facility will be used for that too it's from people in their community that we have that we use that facility for doing those kinds of community said that we're involved in that program as well and we use sense that as kind of the center hub of those programs in different programs throughout the year we have a program in the in the spring time of the year as well fifty stratford ways really two phases the first phase would be to renovate the lower level there's there's two apartment buildings there are two permits on the lower level would be really large in that knocking out the wall creating one big large  multi purpose kind of functional area and at a second phase we'll take over the up stairs during the first phase we would continue to rent out the two apartments above we have seven staff members who are f time six step numbers that are for corporate time and five of those staff members live right in that community so you know in fact one of their lives right next door to the property that we've just purchased so we're we're heavily involved in that community we live there the people that are there are neighbors or friends and we're we're building relationships for their communications between you and the city prior to your purchase of the property yes we've developed this the city has been a real advocate of this project beck almost two years ago now that the city actually provided  some funding for bill johnston to do a kind of a dream brainstorming meeting really represented from the neighborhood the staff the board and from the city about this community center and the us actually develop some pulmonary sketches they've been behind us all the way in terms of support yes and what we're trying to do in addition to that the city has been providing some support financial support for his hope for the last ten years by way of community development block grants yes i'm pretty familiar with the program and i was here many years ago when the you were approved for the the four fifty community center and you've probably been through this before we basically have six questions that we need to answer in order to grant something like this and if you don't mind i'd like to just go through those right now and see if we have have answers for each of those so everybody can hear can hear sure you know and just into that yes as people speak tonight really those are the only decisions that we have to make or whether or not those six things are met i think all of us really appreciate all the work all the good that this program has done really is a great great thing for this community so so these these these standards are will this cause a nuisance will be noise or vibration for the neighbors or any light or radiation or any nuisance that would be for the neighborhood no you know in fact that the neighbors are here tonight in fact supporting what we're doing it's a community center for the neighbors and every every meeting that will be held there a staff person will be there onsite supervising what's going on and as i mentioned we have staff living right there in the community as well so if there's any any noise problems we're the first ones in the community to raise the issue we've raised it many times to the city because of different apartments there that other people right so we're out there all the time trying to make sure that this community is a community that is something do know the next one is this devastation of this conditional use will not impede the normal an orderly development in improvement of surrounding properties for use is permitted in the district yeah we  intend on keeping that building looking like you know the other buildings that are there it will be doing some renovation on the inside but it's not our intent to to put up something that is completely different than what is in that neighborhood ready yet in your opinion this only helps the neighborhood be a better place yes it will help the neighborhood be a better place it will be a place where people can get together  you know find out about each other learn and build relationships and know their neighbor and right really try to strengthen their hood yes it can help to the development of the neighborhood and the next one is that adequate utilities access road greenidge or other requirements require has to grudges at the present time one of those garages will be used for the redress units that will be occupying the apartments upstairs the other garage we will take over and we will use as  kind of a storage space but the driveways remain those grudges will remain that need to the outside it will look like it looks like today no additional paving will be done for perking already and it's it's probably not really required because it's the people it's not really required in fact most of the residents in that area use mass transit and there won't be a need to have parking people be walking in from that community it's part of that community and it's within walking distance and you don't see an issue with cars lined up on the road or anything like that or that i did not serve to just just to translate that for clarity there are adequate utilities and the road access road the drainage are all yes they're at yes ok right now and as we do renovation well we'll make sure that we bring anything that is you know sub standard up to code as well ok the next one we kind of just touched on to that adequate measured that adequate measures have been or will be provided for ingress and egress so designed us to minimize traffic congestion in the public streets well considering that we just figured out there's probably not going to be many cars there that's not a concern and yeah there's that's really not an issue and  it is except for the conditional and the conditional and requirements ethical to height area and off street parking or the conditional you shall not in all other respects conform to education regulation regulations of the district in which is located so basically you have to be all the other regulations of the districts to which because the buildings are already there built buildings are already there we don't tend on demolishing that building will be used the building as is will be sure that we're meeting all of the different regulations in terms of codes that we have to follow it sure hours of operation there that how those worked out for you is there any any need for changes for that i don't think so i think that it was over to operation that we had to be out of that facility by i think nine o'clock at night and generally if we have meetings in there for a board meeting is being held in there we make sure that we begin that property and we're not causing any noise for any of the the residents who may be renting apartments in that building ok application to be approved was that one of the staff members would be living onsite if that is the condition that you would like to impose you could talk to the apple camp it's for use by the surrounding neighborhood only not open to residents of the entire city and a supplier should comply with a michigan building code we already covered that one and the last time there was a maximum load of the community center of twenty five people this is considerably larger you may wish to consider a maximum arky promo and we already talked about parking but those were the conditions that were placed on four fifty seven will take th that the architect is is trying to estimate force you know how many people we could get into the design of the one large room that we were going to several rooms there but the one large room in meeting with him i think you know if we step rows i was just going to basically go over what you just did just making sure the conditions were reasonable for you obviously with occupancy is that something that could be  put forward later as a condition after maybe a legal go ahead and the occupant load as calculated under the building code is usually quite a large number and fact i can't quite number more than probably you want to see in a community center or neighborhood seems to me that between eighty and one hundred would be more than adequate for this the site but again you get to decide what the stipulations are ok thank you very much does anyone else on the board have any other questions for that application or do you have any other comments you'd like to make before we proceed to the comments at this time  i actually have a question for you and that's as far as the the stipulations for the other building having a staff member live on site now with this first phase maybe that's five step members in the community and no one is liberated rid of the property right next door so within you know a block or so we've got staff members who are right there you know to have that restriction you know imposed i think would would be something that you know we would say we'd like to have it struck out of the can shrink you think regarding great thank you are there any more questions from the board that can order more comments for that matter proceed with the hearing or is there anyone here to speak in support of the application and you know  just one of mine you would be helpful if the support addressed the test of the questions that were just answered by the applicant but certainly i want to forget when the opportunity speak on behalf of the application parking issue that i want to say this that we aren't jumping into this lightly so we've had a lot of meetings we've taken time to listen very carefully to our communities though this is something that has the hope is like we have to do this this is after a lot of thoughtful  input from our community and so and the design and even the location of it has come directly out of the input from our community so we want that to be heard that we've done a very slowly and very cautiously for that reason  the parking issue became about i mean as a couple times do we need more parking do we not need more parking and it felt as a very strong consensus from our community that why would we we want as much green space as possible we want to keep it looking nice we don't want to pull our pavement and most people are going to be walking there by him there and when we do have events or other people come in we've already had a few things where maybe a couple cars have had to park and we've never had a problem and a couple cars like three m like a copy of the what's it called the improvement the neighborhood fast forward neighborhood neighborhoods of choice framework and just on this day that one of the items on the year's creating gathering places in arm to make our neighborhood room choice and i don't think a lot of people in holland would consider shop through a neighborhood of choice but we we do and we feel like really gathering places open to all people no matter their religion or their their background that is a gathering place and that will my name as learning case and i live at four forty stratford away number one so i'm the staff member who lives in the apartment right next door to four fifty and i am definitely in support of this and i don't have anything specifically to answer those questions other than i think historically our neighbor hood has been one that people want to get out of quickly and we've just seen a lot of families come in and many of them here tonight to support this that want to stay in our neighborhood because of the things that we can do by having this community center thanks  and we have more support my name is becky lawrence and i live at four in one thousand strafford away apartment two i also happen to be on staff but i was one of the staff members sell lived on  site in there for fifty seven building and i can say as someone who lived in the building that the community the pass community center was in that only added value to living in that building and we didn't have problems from other neighbors conflicting with the community center and the other tenants that were and are building a lot of pride of getting to be in that building and be a part of those events so as someone who lived in the  and please everyone keep in mind that information as it pertains to these tests are what's most helpful to us everyone on the board it's apparent to us that  amount of pride in the neighborhoods extraordinary and it's it's wonderful to see i think we get that and appreciate that i would like to keep it focused on the cuts to the greatest degree possible for support please ok i'll do my best to do that i'm rachael miller and i live it three ninety strafford way and i see the back of the community the new community center from my home  am also the president of the store we call a source stratford away asks for an abbey residence and that is a residential gathering and we take boats and different things and bring up different events for that community and i discounted too quickly  share that we have we are growing we are growing and that capacity of one hundred eighty to one hundred is definitely i think  and if not i'm going to close the public hearing and that was like over up for deliberation and or emotion from the board at this time seems to me that they met the direct tests in my opinion that as asked so regarding the preexisting conditions are we listening to one about somebody living on site was because we were occupant load i can't i can't think of what was a reason why i would want to restrict the occupant load more than the building code sees fit for the safety of the occupants i agree in part of that is that in some sense isn't our tests for what we're being asked for to night it could be the condition but i'm not seeing the connection now under this new plan make a move ocean we approve this conditional use with the conditions that hours of operation from the previous approvals stay in place that this building only be used for the neighborhood and neighborhood events and that once they are operational in this facility the the old facility will revert back to an apartment i'll second that applicant has shown that this is not going to be a nuisance as far as causing radioactivity vibration noise heat or anything else i believe they have shown that this will not cause substantial damage to the value of other properties in the neighborhood and they have shown that it will not impede the normally orderly development of the surrounding properties for their permitted uses they have demonstrated that there are adequate utilities access road drainage and other requirement  and they have demonstrated that they will show comply with all respects of the ethical regulations of the district where it's located thank you and you have those conditions where long of those fine in fact stand you i like to call for hopeless unit as a single family for the property at three eighteen central avenue the applicant proposes to have five unrelated people at this address thank you very much is there an app can't have that speak on behalf of this  evening come boy crazy i own the house had three thousand central the house that we bought and renovated the house has five bedrooms and it has previously been rented to five people i was unable to get the application in before the end of the year as one of the requirements was photo i d s from everybody living there as their college students a couple of them were out of the country collecting five photo i d s from five college girls that is a little difficult to do so i did provide a copy of that lease there are five people there currently and have been in the past so i'm requesting that that he continued going forward as it is a five bedroom house and can adequately hold five unrelated ok thank you mr corzine is there any questions from the board with regard to this i would i just want to clarify so the idea so did the city have the application and they just batticaloa over the last year so i was not around i did not get much of the paperwork or that was sent to my home as i was out of the country ok so i just was not able to make the date and the date was the end of the year ok which is why i'm requesting a variance now ok so is there anything special about your property that you know such that it can't reasonably use  for residence you know what it takes to get a variance we need to show certain things here and so first question up out of the the four special questions is explain why your property cannot reasonably be used for the uses allowed in the zone district where your property is located so if we don't give you all the area it like here you can be used for proposed it but it also can be used for five people as material these tests in these questions are material right but is there anything unique approach your property such as their own as shallow as the shape of your property water features topography that drives the need for this variance the home has five bedrooms so it's driving the need to have five people in it  with this proposed use of the property in any way alter the character of the neighborhood not at all home next door zone by hope it has trains in people and the house next door is owned by a home professor whose children are hope students and live in it so it actually is fitting in exactly with the character of the neighborhood  s you know is the need for the variance self created by your actions or the actions of the previous or i guess i don't exactly understand the question so it's created by me because i for there any other questions for the african and this time thank you very much so anyone here to speak in support of applications and if not is there anyone here to speak in opposition to the application it doesn't appear to be so i'm going to close the public hearing in open it up for  but i think from our perspective perhaps what transpired to get it here is unfortunate perhaps even legitimate unfortunately our tests lie within the questions that  is what the song district is built around there are not unique circumstances with respect to the property that would drive the need for the variants other than now i will read the correct line the west michigan airport authority is requesting permission to expand a condition used in connection with the west michigan regional airport regional you approved as a conditional use in one nine hundred sixty four the approval of was amended in with me to hunt their planners and engineers for for the airport so thank you ok so i was going to go into you know everything about why we're doing this project in the value of it and all of that but based on what i've been hearing as you've been going through these other applications you want to deal with the conditions and how this meets with the tests that success so we had all right just ok is ok all right so you should have are quick responses with the application and what i want to draw your attention then to one thing you did not have in the application what you should have now hopefully on the monitor and also on the hard copy ok good is how this building that will lay out on the site so i'm not sure how familiar you are with the west michigan regional airport with during both of our comes off of south washington it's the main entrance road into the airport and a number of private hangars and our office building are off of that road currently what we're planning to do then is to construct this new airport business center we call it the can be for referred to also as a terminal it will be a gateway to our community from the air and we're planning to locate it off of the east and of during boulevard so where it ends now we w constructing an addition to that roadway an extension to it extending utilities down to the building which will be right here on this property here is owned by the city the airport authority operates the airport with based on a lease with the city for that the airport authority has just purchased this piece here and you can see the the building will go here and it is as we show on here at least seventy five feet from the that property line and it is certainly quite a distance from all of the property that is used for the airport and you can see also the building is a significant distance away from any other building  in the area but the airport own all of this this is all airport property now so this really sets in the center of an area that does not have too much else around it and can't be developed for anything else either i mean it all has to be for airport related uses on airport property the zoning is somewhat complicated i don't know how dreaming that is to you the zoning districts ok but it's a combination of various districts here but so it might augment or set or tests ok ok so i think you know if we go through i don't know if someone wants to ask me the questions all of them were if you see the answers and are satisfactory here or if i can expand on them but otherwise i don't think i'll go through too much i have designs of the building and everything that we're all excited about but i don't know if that pertains to a two year decision but i'd be happy to go through if you'd like to see an outstanding i think that's a great section thirty nine seventy four which talks about noise vibration heat radiation all a kind of fun stuff it's going to be an office building correct essentially ok this use will not cause the stand substantial damage to it and it the belyaev any other property in the neighborhood correct ok stablish min of this conditional use will not impede the normal and orderly development of any of the surrounding it is is there any future plan to tie into region boulevard or reason why why you didn't go that route right region boulevard we're not sure if will be we have we'd like to do that at some point a future perhaps opens on how that land develops to the north but it gets all more complicated when you deal with f a a a and a state or not of regulations or requirements so gearing boulevard makes the most sense for us but in the future we may explore whether or not to make a connection to region but not at this time ok you've got a list of their future parking roughly how how much are we talking i think we're talking about of about one hundred spaces in that lot now right in future parking really that parking lots going to be developed as part of this project are there any questions for that and if not i'm going to close the public hearing at this time and open it up for deliberation or a request for a any of the surrounding properties that they are going to join and update utilities and access roads and there's going to be proper eat rest in the dress and the  appropriate amount of parking as well did i miss anything and it is not going to cause damage to the the neighborhood do anything else  final question that it will comply with all other aspects yes and it and it is proposed that it will going that it will meet all of the laws and and this thank you but could you please read out the next in final application of the tom lever is requesting permission to create one black line and one eighty four east thirty fifth street the board is authorized to grant such permission when certain conditions are found to exist we received in additional signatures of support from areas from the family residence at forty and fifty four  thank you and then before we get scared as a procedural matter it's my understanding that this came before the board last session and therefore when you need a quick voice for as to whether or not there is substantially different than the prior showing in dress new grass from thirty fifth street showing that that there will be dressed or ingress and egress from thirty fifth street to the property the flag light will have all city water city sewer all utilities will be connected to the home all assessments will be paid by me of course the proposed flag lab is compatible the nearby residential developed lands in the surrounding blocks there are some lands that are bigger some are smaller the lot that i'm proposing will have the same set back requirements and will blend in with the homes around it  there are homes that have four homes on one piece of property to the east but i know that's a p r t but it's still in the same block as this so what i'm proposing is not going to egress city water city sewer i believe i'm compatible with the surrounding area on the width of the locks are set back so are compatible be a blacktop driveway blocks maybe twenty to twenty five having one more home you know is not going to make a difference for well there any questions from the board to test these assertions by the advocate with the facts on hand the home would be facing west but you can be placed anywhere in the lot i mean such a we're going to have one home here that can be you know position anyway i mean birds per part of what we need to do when we make like lot is determine which is the front yard ok so you get to pick you up but that's going to set all of your setback requirements around that building space ok and so it looks that right now the thirty foot setback is to the left of the box that you've got labelled the one which i'm presuming i'm looking for a compass here yet north is up so that would be the west side of the road the property would be the front yard that's correct  i don't have any thank you do you want to just talk about the twenty foot access whether it's going to be fee simple or easement how you how are you going to handle that twenty fo access what's the legal mechanism i would have the city drop it all pay for it wherever the legal fees are to have that it has been drawn up good evening my name is sandra dykstra and i live at one hundred eighty seven east thirty seventh street i am south of there at property that mr weaver is here before you  my husband and i we bought our home in march of one thousand nine hundred eighty seven we bought the home in the area because it is quiet it's quaint and we've seen many changes over the years there was a nother flag lot that the city did approve of in that is east of this property there is one property between these two properties i have a big concern over our environment our wildlife b for the other flag lot the first one we had beautiful deer running through and other kinds of wildlife when that flag lot got put in between which this is between thirty seventh and thirty fifth so there's no thirty six and i was told by city that there will never be an east thirty six st in there we lost that while wife and we got more noise on the block with the homes being in there some of the birds that we have are hawks we have bats that just love the trees that's in on the property expressed fully where m weaver would he owns bear its hawks owls if a home or home are built on that flat lot which i seen three homes built on that other flag a lot that is going to create more noise and that is putting in homes inside the block which is going to create more noise and i don't know if my understanding of he is putting one home in there or if he's going to be allowed to change his mind in put more homes in there that is just one of my you know one of my big concerns the other thing is when that other flag lot was put in it was a strain on the city's electrical on the lines and we kept blowing trance trance yes thank you transformers and so the city did have to updated or whatever and if there is more homes or a home being put in the is that going to be more of a  strain just with the storm we had that was really tax seemed because a lot of people were using you know air conditioners and stuff but again i'm not defaults the rules the ordinance so by default when someone applies it's fair to consider the application the burden of proof is on them it's not on us to find find that we should do it ok should be no and you need to give us reasons for yes ok that's what the applicant does certainly you may speak to the tests and if i hear you correctly you might say it's not compatible or h not going to be like he said it could be you know he's going to keep it within the ordinary look or the you know that is going to change noise and this is why a lot of us have bought into this neighborhood because of the quietness and expression he over holidays the fireworks now there people can shoot fireworks off a day before in a day after holidays we had some incidences with fireworks from one of those homes in that flag lot and so to us to my husband and i we are we're you know that's going to arme not make it very quiet by adding more people inside the block so that is my concern is that it will take away from that quiet in quaint neighborhood thank you very much thank you so anyone else here to speak in opposition to the application place anyone has opposition please don't please feel free to come for hello awesome so this is this is my home right here we've kind of a weird little lot that's kind of pretty long which is nice and adam which is his here owns a spot so we've kind of kept this quite open and we have kind of like lawn chairs and there's actually a pretty big tree kind of right here but if the comes in or here this is our lot sort this is where our kids are playing ball and tag and kickball and things like that with a lot of the neighborhood kids it's also on the swings where  had a chance to really meet a lot of other neighbors kind of in in this area because we're able to kind of walk back there and hang out and and talk and so i mean if you look at this one it might look great but right there's kind of we're where our family hangs out so i can kind of go back to my notes but that salt and snow removal that's going to have to go somewhere could go into their lawn but it's also going to get pushed on to ours or ours very easily trying to take care of my grass just probably like anybody else does and so you know we use a lot of salt in the area just like to care for driveways and to take care of know our roads and luggage is going to go right into our lawn as well such as can be additional consideration that i have to do to kind of just keep our area nice and also you just it's one of those things where a i've got kind of cars driving back and forth kind of through that as far as like the density of the area you know i just kind of pulled up you know a little map area and i can bring it over there in a second but you know our our home has our block has twenty six homes currently on it to a block to the west there's twenty homes one block west of that there's seventeen homes and one block letter that is sixteen homes so our block already within the area has you know a much higher density already than any  blocks in the area and so for adding more homes into this area i don't really know why we need to do it now i think is tom but he also doesn't live there so this is and is like his in his neighborhood you know he'll probably do a great job of building a house i can't speak to that at kind of no it's oh i guess one thing as far as a traffic one downside of our street is we don't have lost top signs for pretty far down thirty fifth street so is one of the spots where because of lincoln estates there's a lot of traffic that goes through there there's a lot of the go really  there before because it's a lot of traffic this kind of getting compiler in front of the houses right now so it's fair to say that as a neighbor in that neighborhood right next to the law you believe it will harm the established character i do and also it may even just kind of point out like you know what do you three you know just as far as the traffic resulting in proposed divisions like i actually do think that we're to have a problem with traffic and in the area  as well so ok thank you do and no thank you to anyone else here to speak in opposition to that yeah my name's adam baron i live at one seventy six east thirty fifth street thank you well aaron covered a lot of it but yes i do believe it would be my house lives right next i'm dark property owner right next door to where he wants to build putting up that flag grow to make my house basically a curb that's not something i i bought metal history for to get away from that i wasn't something i really wanted to be right on the the curve of the street relaxing in the backyard you put up another house back there and i'm sure mr weaver would do a fine job building but that's not something necessarily want to see every day in my backyard where there are trees which are trees now sure is it fair to say that as a potential to lower your property value possibly that not something i'm sure i could answer to pin on the look of what he does back there but you're you're aware that it's it's not necessarily going to be a road more like a driveway you know yeah ok family residential so you're talking house maybe a detached garage and that's about it i think you use what you can put in this residential district right that's correct this is located in the are one's own district and limited to a single family home the minimum lot area is eighty four hundred square feet i think this far exceeds eighty four hundred square feet and the minimum width is seventy feet and looks to me at least like the proposal has substantial setbacks on on all sides and i would just caution you to keep an eye on the standards and and what they are because i will need find in money to those standards detrimental to put the house back there for the reasons of the safety of the kids of the whole neighborhood and like the first speaker said i'm for the wildlife and everything else and noise where i live there i appreciate it very very much the quietness of that area home it made good sense to keep it that way and i would like to still see it kept that real bang up job for me i didn't know where to go with this snow anymore and all my driveways and i can see there's going to be a big problem very big problem with this snow in this area like aaron said you get this solved the chloride and you can only do just so much through the snow you can push it  is changing the looks of the area it would ruin strongly the looks of the whole back live i know i played back there when i was a child with the neighbors and it was really nice to be able to do that to stay away from the road so we wouldn't get here and we really one be bothering the neighbors too much because it's such a big old woman and so i believe that put the whole specter will not be a good idea but it would probably cause more problems than it would for people in the area there would be to keep it what it is another concern i just thought about hearing is that there's a house that is in front of this black lot and i don't know if mr weaver owns it but i know that it's been dilapidated it's a stone brick white structure and by putting them black a lot in there in if he's talking about keeping it to the characteristic of that neighborhood is he going to be building another stone house i don't know and i and i and i'm not big i begrudge him him for investment or anything but i do have a concern about that home and it is very close to the road and there is a sidewalk that's a very close so with these other gentleman talking about plowing we do have a problem we don't have curbs in our in our neighborhood we have strictly where it's all gravel that the that the city comes in and puts gravel on the side so that is my other concern and i'm sorry i do not address that at the very first time when i came out thank you very much is there anyone to the last question that she brought up i do on the twenty four up front and it was a probably an eyesore for the last two years in this subdivision has been empty and i'm just investing probably over in as far as adam's house like looking right into adam's home and his drive will simply be shared with the driveway of this new thing so made love to bring us out there but that's probably not realistic so  of the debris like a lot of the debris is just stuff that was on the lot right it's not something that like the neighbors are pushing stuff over there you know in fact i'm self brought you know sticks into it from outside the area and brought him in that one in like working in the sticks and debris from like within the area so i mean those are things that you know i've got pictures of you know and he's not cutting his own grass there so those are things where as far as being respectful like everyone within the communities take care of their own lots really well and we're always respectful of our neighbors to quite a high degree such wanted to take those quick point ok thank you very much and at this point  we're close the public hearing and open it up for deliberation but i have a one real quick thing to put on record i think it's important that when we review this application we consider the original design intent because behind the neighborhood by putting this house back there so i just want to have that and speaking along those lines i think anytime something comes before the board the default answer is the city says something different you need to give us reasons to change what the city had already said and point a through c are fairly objective either medium or you don't but the and it's subs are subjective and my concern would be that for that subjective par with compatible and harmonious in the stablished character is sometimes viewed too lightly i think it's important to ensure that the kind character impact on those living in the neighborhood is taking that consideration and certainly for any of us were living in that neighborhood perhaps we feel the same way not that we want to impede a property owner's right cindy this is showing the the current lot lines within that that neighborhood are there to correct this is actually a map from the master plan showing the brown area as the high density residential and the yellow area as a single family area and one of the one of the tests and one of the conditions that your base in the character on that with a lot area is similar to those established lots in the neighborhood and as one of the person said that there would never be a thirty six of the neighborhood i'm not noticing any other way lots in this picture here of my missing any or well which would in the opinion of the board have a detrimental effect on the reasonable enjoyment of enjoining properties based on in making a determination of compatibility the zoning board shall consider such factors as and then it lists those three those such factors are a consideration not as positive as the whole but just suggestions so other factors that impact that that sub be in my opinion as code reads could be considered yes i'd like to make a motion that we reject this application we have a motion to deny by advice support supported that i by davis find into effect findings in fact that this will significantly impact the character and quality of the neighborhood there's been adequate conversation here this evening regarding  the disturbance to the neighbors and i think it's that's not to be taken lightly snow removal is a possible issue noise character that will be created as a result of the development of this additional home condition of traffic to the neighborhood there were some comments made regarding electrical past problems in the neighborhood after another parcel was developed with flags lots and the safety of the neighborhood