and if you're here for a particular application as an interested party you should be aware that if you are an interested party and want to preserve your rights to appeal you will need to speak up it here or not just be passive having said that first the matter on the agenda is chicken curry fish and game club and we have received a letter side by all the party saying that they would like yet again another month of continuation however they have indicated that they are achieving some effort success in their efforts to reach an accommodation so next on the agenda is for evacuees conservation corps application thirteen dash zero two six for conditional use for view including psych plan review for process one of the things that was pointed out that there really are two different parcels two different uses sociological the us since one organization reason two parcels everything that happens is interchangeable both there's no there's nothing that is different for us except for the legal status didn't seem to make sense that because we're coming for the your approval that we would ask for that used to be the same in both parcels so in essence  parcel to be designated exactly the same as the west parcel so it's all of the same type type of use the second thing that we've that started this process for us was that we are growing food for about three hundred  insecure families this year for about one hundred fifty families last year and so we have more farm insurance on site you know that what we we could cram all those people into the existing apartments in that way farmhouse but our vote was to side we would need to come here for that so that's a nutshell what is doesn't end all property the second is that the i guess is the occupancy for three to three to five eighteen to twenty four year olds for about eight in the process very much in the process of thinking about how we're going to use that in these capitals and are feeling it when we're going through a process not where we're bringing together all our stakeholders there's easements on the property when it was purchased year give us a good understanding of what's possible and that's possible on that property and then over the course of two thousand and fourteen we'll refine our ideas of what we have what we think we'd like to do in that property at which point authority of this committee and i don't know if it was within the forty that to waive whatever so that we could we could begin using those your it's tomorrow boy we we would we would really appreciate that we don't expect that of you know that that would your tents over the course of the summertime that part of the property that was being used  i think you told us two and a half per apartment and there's two apartments and then there was i forget what it was but you saw first three and a half a thousand feet of office and so compute that six point five two spots that we need for the office space so  questions from the board i because then i think that might be in the going forward would potentially clear of but make issue either easier potentially but that's i think the the the the short answer is no they're jason to each other so as simple as it seems this should be this is this is one where i'm going here arguably where i would question could the year it's just be considered an increase of the i mean it's five point five percent there's just more places for people to sleep we ten four it talks about public private schools and other educational institutions in our ability to regulate those things but before that starts about seasonal dwelling this could be a seasonal right s structure shall not be occupied more than one hundred eighty days in any one year period that is this grant camps which are preexisting non conforming or non performing uses shall be governed by sections fo seven four nine zero new camps and conversions of camps and family drawings so you can leave that part out as a new camps shall be permitted where ever single family dwellings are permitted as long as all requirements for a single famil why i was thrown out the whole apartment thing so dwelling unit let's see if there's two wallowing versus dwelling a structure or portion thereof that is it's used exclusively for human habitation well and detached one that is not attached to any other drawing by any means and then there's single family to come in with a family dwelling unit is any room or group of rooms located within a building and forming a single habitable unit with facilities which are used or intended to be used by one family and the resident the alias consider this as a possibility so you said given the vagueness of the definition of dwellings in terms of eating and cooking and section things in meanwhile he can take the rest of your as an extension of the existing driveway into the woods simply because i well i feel like i need to do that at the base of the ridge that is quite deep and fairly extensive that actually qualifies for standard septic and so i had to engineer designed this system to go personally on the proposed lot that partially on two remaining lands of mine even though i had thought that that little arm that's in this time could be a good place for the septic system because of the setbacks in the way the contours lie else i guess there was pretty i thought it looked all right but my attorney wrote it to me and i thought that it looked all right and i'm not sure what you were looking for would be mean that there would be a fair you know fifty fifty means of the cost and then the new section of the driveway that schuster doesn't use at all would be the responsibility the intention was that there was there's a part of the driveway that both people would use that part of the driveway is the fifty fifty responsibility for the maintenance where s off to his house he has to take care of that for the new person goes off to their house they have to take care of that i thought that was the intention maybe it doesn't say that but that's the intention and maybe we can figure out a that's a good question and he also mentions that it's cost him quite a bit to think jane that driveway and i would think that the upside of this could be that he'd have some help with that right as far as i know it meets the town standards that doesn't exceed twelve percent if there is a section that doesn't seem to that it was not built to the standard that that it was designed originally as far as i know it's ok now if you know i'm hearing this for the first time david i'm looking next door to the back three years and i never heard that there was a truck problem getting up there and if it was my house i think i would try to fix that i have so i don't know what why th didn't brought up now but we certainly can address that if there is something that in this driveway that doesn't meet the standards i think it must be addressed i have no desire to avoid meeting the standards and i it i personally would much favor underground even if the words did not take care of it because it would be going across my land substantial part of it would be going across my  underground connection put into the base of that it's it's at the it's near the b where the driveway curves around to go up to his house it's right in that area and the idea was that that could be continued for on another not originally my son who wanted to have that personal land and he later changed his that's one piece at the moment to a man named solomon bates in seventy ninety three and have you gotten your son for your wastewater permit you know we've we've done extensive soil testing up there but i mean i'm assured that it it will work but we did not visually do that f bother anybody i didn't find him and wanted to talk to the person he wasn't to be found at this time but i i will definitely visit with him he's a nice person and i certainly don't want him to feel threatened in any way about this he seemed to acknowledge in his letter that he appreciated that you know a lot was away from where he  but i think that one also has to appreciate that you know when you own a two acre lot and somebody that owns over one hundred acres is really the responsibility burden has that burden for the responsibility of maintaining their privacy that they need to remember that to and then the other item you may or may not even have any thoughts about moving forward but there it's not unusual for david and or myself to get before the developer for the right and the the the or the development permit fee ordinance and the public works talk about the fees not getting refunded till after either either prior to or after so many permits issues had proposed a few things to happen on his property and had completed all mainly that was his choice so my feeling is if the project this is the money should go back because the money is being held to ensure song bitter performance on their part from their standpoint especially this one and the finishes but that's an example of the situation people find themselves in so i was curious what the board as a whole feels about when these funds should be return give a couple instances where informally you were asked to refund the money earlier earlier in the process and you said no to that in the past so the difference would be if someone who had a tendency to potentially not finish a project actually said i'm not going to finish this project ever and so then there's no process for that so that's all i'm saying and what good would would need a mechanism for someone to say i'm not going to do it so i want my feedback and that therefore we give them their money back they also permit is revoked essentially after two years if they you know who says it who's i guess who says certain projects are done or not right so if the r b a permit expires if you haven't started work after two years but if you start work after two years don't finish but also say i'm