are you expecting did you say to more people than you ok we'll start our portion of it with offshore so the first up i want business is public comment and this is a chance for anyone from the public it is a regular update i know for this but it's not the update there's not much to update right now because the the consultants are in the development design  now that's fine but but like you said it's still a lot of the questions if you feel you've asked should be addressed in the design at some point down the road so at the january tenth meeting i think will be appropriate to bring those that part of the he e r stager things we get to the point where we have a thirty percent state or we have an understanding of all those things including attacks to traffic but again i step back years but again are our team which is very aggressive group of engineers is and they have tons of experience of this kind of stuff is considering every one of those questions you brought up so they will be able to address  seems to happen every ten years or so resurfacing or are doing something on that bridge which is one of the reasons why it's being looked at should be replaced so yeah there's certainly with any road project there's going to be disruption the question is how best to mitigate it to be seen ok thank you what we have on schedule for you tonight we're doing what we're doing well we we michael bryant and i'm the chairman met today and discussed the meeting on the twenty eighth and we think it would be prudent to have a meeting that day to just have you guys without commissions but sort of figure out what sort of regroup on the last regular meeting we had which was very productive but get mike up to speed with that get all of us on the january tenth which is a wednesday the only time a city matter can make it heard during this meeting with the engineer which the last meeting we had with the engineers we heard comments about two potential we can do that ok great ok any questions or comments ok good so move on to the next i don't which is presentation of housing commission rental housing market recommendations before but let's take a moment to introduce ourselves as well as for anyone who doesn't know who we are here i'm so also will start here and i'm michael bryant i am our website you can find this document so anyone watching from home can find it there but since you've already refuted it i think it will probably open this up to be more of a salute heated discussion but i do want for the viewers at home to kind of lay the framework of how we got here in two thousand and sixteen in the city received a housing needs assessment that was done by young graduate students in the master's of public administration program and we were charged with taking that to the planning commission and reviewing i said a lead in recommendations that were made and those recommendations were to create a housing commission to mandate that when housing is torn down it's replaced within the city to invest in a gentrification risk assessment tool to expand the limited inclusionary zoning program create a wiki housing trust fund investing analyzing housing quality data create information and so that was handed over to the planning commission and pretty quickly i think we realize that without having set targets for the types of housing we want to be in the city the income brackets that we want correct in my recollection so what the planning commission decided to do was recommend the creation of a housing commission specifically to look at some of the data that we're looking at in this report so that we can get a better sense of what it is as a community that is it's been a very aggressive timeline to get to where we are right now and what we're looking at and i will be only have recommendations around targets for the rental housing the reason we've chosen to look at rental housing first is because there's so much development happening as a result of the tormes code gateways and so much rental housing that there was a concern at the council level that we would have a complete change in our mix before we ever came up with housing  members if you feel comfortable doing that just kind of speak to the data that we did look a that they have rental units available but we do our regular cycle of going out and inspecting those units and i think on a four year cycle this year is the first year that we have you know request for a landlord still voluntarily provide us with information on what the what price they're charging for being as how many you have how many seconds per unit so we actually i'm equally high response rate to that so it was nearly seventy percent of all the units in the city that people voluntarily reported on so rather than relying on census data which can sometimes be a little bit off and in particular because during the american community survey where it's really more projections and students this would be real on the ground data speaking to how much is being charged in this community and what do we have for affordable housing so much of the data that you'll see through here is actually from a land and so in looking at that brick up it was i think currently it's about eighty four percent that of the rental population earns less then the percent of am affordability and luxury and middle income workforce housing within the rental market for i do day first and well integrated community  he was six percent which was way lower than all the other surrounding communities as well and i think that we see a lot of is this middle income i think right now market the market is providing luxury condos for new development that there's always an incentive for more rental units when it comes to that but i think this middle eighty to one hundred twenty see more younger households like in the twenty's thirty's who are going to be interested in that team who are making like a moderate higher income and so there's no space for them right now if there is a four percent of units being affor and other thing we discussed is in the making space for folks who are in low income housing to move out of there and so right now there's not really anywhere to ball units that we have right now is we've got a lot eighty four percent i guess it is right now to me away what we need is i think you're right you're exactly on point is we need that middle and even maybe some of the upper things so i'm wondering if it would make more sense and i don't know how the fifty four relates in terms of the total number of  for you know that dessie bonuses if you do a formal yes so we've got a provision in zoning that allows for growth in the affordable side i think reasonably because i think personally i think we want to see most of our growth in that middle range so that we get a better mix of of us so i'm just wondering about you know percentages are great but how does that relate in crystal ball is broken something like that but you know i mean i mean i think there are projections as to how much how many more housing units there will be twenty twenty five you take those with a grain you know for example three forty eight main street which is the new four story that's at its max capacity so that can have it for us there  thinking another way possibly to do it to is to say ok of the new units being developed what's the percentage we want of the median you have a medium things and you know so maybe it's like eighty percent of new units we want to fall in this in ten or fifteen or whatever those numbers are there will bring you to your targets because i think just that alone how do you when projects come in how do you kind of know that older housing stock that could accommodate that middle income bracket to to increase incomes with families moving in with then that eight a one hundred three percent that's  now we have talked about the the bonus story going to people to developers that are going to provide this the uncomfortable for the whole housing and if the developers aren't reporting that have we have a number of developers who just built some pretty big developments in the in the city who didn't report information that we asked for for this this survey come for the the study and my question is if we're going to meet i know we talked about this here and this is this group if if we're going to allow for bona story when they say they're going to provide for affordable housing or market rate how are we going to actually make sure that they do that going to know how we're going to enforce that they actually keep it affordable going forward because they get they get this bonus story and they say they're going to and then three years later they don't vote and so  are there's always going to be somebody tries to game the system happens with everything but we have a bunch of mechanisms in place where we regularly check on properties to see how they're to make to make sure they're conforming with the requirements of the permit and i mean that's that's a very a partisan oh it's only is about creating a permit that binds with the permit regulations and if someone point blank someone found out i found out that someone had applied for the bonus story with affordable housing credits or saying they were going to have affordable housing and we found out that the rent price through for any mechanism which was not affordable we would simply find them there that we can go to and i will tell you downtown each crossing's an example they've got fifty one percent affordable but that's tied to mortgage their financing ok so that's how that it's i who forces it somebody to do something with their private property i mean if there was federal funds maybe but in terms of the development here it is if it's market driven it should be more so so i think we need to be realistic about what what what are our goals and vision or and how how much heat we have to force that so let me ask  but it can be inside it's thirty thousand dollars for space so and when you think about requiring tether to the project one point two five per unit parking or other spaces where those people who may be shut out of space where they go so but i think as we get more more projects with parking underground get more and more data and i think we we anything else you want to share with i first of all i thought a lot of the information here was it was really interesting it wasn't shocking i'll say that it kind of confirmed what i think i thought but  it's it's always good to get the hard data especially in see where the where we sit in terms of our units and how they're dispersed the other thing is you had a slide of showing where the affordable units were and where the luxury of us were both of apartments in single family home and the single family home one through me because of course i did read the top and that's a look at my neighborhood say those are apartments so this is something we talked about as well is this price economic integration and wang said bring up the rates in those dark green sense good things a little more even and that is possible because where the development is happening right now so i think the thing that struck me as a lifelong resident here is when i was a kid the west side was always thought of as has being you know low income and the second lowest is the is a good way to raby blow off people's you know perceptions lot help perceptions of how things are and really get back to reality  the community in when you go to vote and you say we should know like the clerks we should know everybody now maybe you know fifty percent or so it's a lot of new people if you look at different boards except for me were you on the board over here but what if you look at different boards and commissions folks who are getting involved it's people who are all say the next generation in the forty's and under which is which is speaking volumes and is a good thing i think which is maybe some of the ideas conflict of mind but i'm just in the hope of much in any way so so i think we are seeing that and as heather said when you speak tends to buck the trends of the state income range and you guys want to jump in please feel free yeah i mean it looks like that's where the the trend is but it sounds like to me once again what is your question also on the type of housing as well like a high density development that still reaches those targets as opposed to single family like single family residences a sound like the sound a little bit like here it's a it's bill that's one of the one of the things that we struggled with because when we first developed the new zoning we had a provision in there about historic structures our main street gateways to look like and that's where we're heading the other piece of those communities you mentioned so may street currently is what i would call for the most part of underperforming strength properties say they don't perform in terms of what they should or the tax revenues they don't perform in terms of what they should in terms of capacity for number of units so it's it's a highly underperforming stretch of to get it for at a higher capacity so that the city benefits of the residents benefit but in those communities you mentioned they're all there it's you know main streets in general that have the traditional main street infrastructure tend to perform at the highest level possible with the main street building on any walk of say but with is if you look at the cost per square foot earnings it blows away almost everything hundred january we do need to have one person from the housing commission and one person from the planning commission who can come and do that presentation so i would love to have that discussion and also i'm i will make  is all make it will all work together to do percentages of new construction which i think is an easier thing to arrive back in that period of time but i'll see what i can do as far as projection projected numbers in the world for recovery yet and then in the the changes they made but i think the conversation i have heard is is that we get this plan adopted and then we look at different parts of it your three year period so that at the end of five years or seven years we've actually gone through and you know revised as necessary update as necessary the other interesting piece which you talked about with the mayor  very change changing all the time if need be but so that the broad broad stroke up to this here in this is a very specific or more specific action plan or matrix or you very much for all your efforts you're absolutely an asset to us you balance me out that's the that's the best thing now terry's going to have to do that no more minutes no i knew that was going to come up and i actually provided a computer last week which was really helpful you know and i never think to bring my own so whoever does take over that probably wants that