well let's talk about how the session ends since there is a couple dates that are not cast in stone that are sort of set up by the speaker of the house of the tempore one is what is called crossover that is the date they set up where a bill that you want to go to the other body can be put on the calendar of a committee has to be voted out of a committee in the house so that day vice versa yes the same going the other way so that date was not the friday after town meeting it was on the following friday i had no idea was a lot of bills that came out of committee that day or the day before and we voted on them and they go over the senate and when they come to the senate then the it's the rules committee then that does it in the senate and i think the rules committee kate takes it and assigns bills to committees and just because it was a assigned to one committee in the house this it mean it'll get assigned to that committee in the senate so after that date if a bill is voted out of committee unless it's a money bill coming out of one of the money that there's an exception there what happens is the bill when it gets the other body sets in the ru committee and it has to be an exception to be moved to a to a committee and the rules committee meet let's see was a good way of saying this whenever  so it in other words you can't guarantee that the bill will be sent to a committee if you pass a bill afterwards so that's one day and so this crossover date is just something that the speaker and the president somewhere after about a month of the session sort of say well let's you know let's come up with this date that we think is sort of like the halfway point of the session then the other day is the tape that usually one of the two of them will say this is the goal for adjournment and the speaker this year a long time ago said his goal for germany was  april twenty seventh so friday twenty seventh a week from friday and a lot of people thought that was very ambitious his point was if you don't set a goal you don't have anything to work for and so  and he's peace he stated that he has never said well we can't do it it can't be done he's just said this is that they that we're shooting for to be done and so those are the those are two dates neither of them are fixed so how does a german happen somebody asked wrote me and said so what is the german how does that decided well there's a few things i have to have a number one is the budget has to be passed so what's the budget get passed that sort of an indication that we're getting toward the end the other money bills have to be passed also the miscellaneous tax bill which the house has passed in the senate is who knows what they're doing with it has to come back we have to agree to that the capital bill and those things and then there are always billed sept both the speaker and the president pro tem deem as health care bill and those so that there's i'm not sure there's there's some of those and so those when those bills get done then they sort of look and say well how long will it take us to get all the other bills that are sitting around done and if they if they get done fine if not sometimes the they just say this is it done we're going to be done after we pass x y and z so typically though as long as i've been in anyway all the bills that have been in the hopper have that they have waited to get those passed but you know there there are  there are bills left in conference committee especially after the first year bills make it be in a conference committee and will adjourn and that conference committee open fall over to the next year would what's more important bill that you've been working on new george separately what have you been trying to make happen well i think in the human services committee definitely the redesign of the mental health system was our number one bill it probably is one of the top builds that we worked on both last year and this year we spent six or seven weeks straight only working on that  s complete redesign most of the talk went around building a new state hospital which isn't going to be called the state hospital is going to be referred to something else and that definitely years we have talked about the importance of providing community services for people who have mental health problems so that they don't have to go to acute care facility so we don't need as large acute care facilities and we have those there are all over the state but we have never really put those on the top burner as far as funding and so there are a lot of times when when funding has been low and you need it someplace else you might cut that out so that this is definitely addresses the fact that there's a need for community services it's important that we not only need to support what we have but there is a need for more and so in in chipping county the home or mental health provides this now and there's plans to have a new facility that will be is the key to it and there are also other community based services that are being funded smaller things you know facilities that may only take two or three or four people for much shorter periods of time when when you know you you have a relapse or you just need temporary help something like that so but i think the the the biggest part of it is that is yes i believe so that this is a priority is funded this year and this is the this is a that the bill is written in such a way and the commitment is there to to fund it y were saying about the budgeting or the money bills as it were so yes i believe one thirty seven the labor omnibus bill that has a couple of little things in it that influence  negotiations with teachers and education the bus drivers because job day and the unemployment insurance and i've heard that that one's going to get some action before the end of the session and i'm a little concerned about that bill because when we talk about local control and when we talk about level funding and at the same time we ask our schools to shoulder more on their budget somehow and i'm also concerned about items that are being taken off the negotiating table that are really between the original school boards and their union negotiations so do i need to worry about this particular bill well this this one of the concern you should have is not only what they're taking off and what they're trying to tack onto it should you be worried about  i this bill is has labored through the senate for quite a while you know that i mean it started last year they were taking testimony on it and i really don't know i mean i can't answer that question above should be you would be worried about the senate has been working on that for a long time the they say they're going to have it out meaning oh i mean out of the committee and then on to the floor and i think it will i mean it will come to the floor i'm positive of that what it looks like when it comes to the floor is anyone's guess right now ok so i should still continue i said absolutely absolutely if you have a concern about it you need to do that because that bill has not come out of committee and there is still speculation about what how it will come out ok other than that i can't i don't know the details of it conference committee or there will be some some middle ground found and you know hopefully there will be some some middle ground and i continue to believe there will be but it won't be either of the versions that came out of the senate or the house in the yard because because if it did the other body wouldn't pass it and both bodies have to pass it without any good without the amendments from the consent of the committee a conference so so so so then you know everybody that there's what george says this is probably what's going to happen however if you feel strongly about it it doesn't hurt to contact your senators and or your your raw representatives about how you feel about it to us to say that they should go along with the other version you know so if you're talking to your senators to either stick with their version or go with the house version pending on what you know which side of the fence you're on it doesn't hurt to do that i mean because i mean that's the input you you give to your representatives said to me you know we'll return to the rate payers is not an equivocal statement and it's pretty clear that will return the rate very doesn't mean we will lend you back that money and then charge you again for your rates later on to do support them i mean seventy some have signed on to that put their name on it others are a little free to put their name on it so a majority of house members want that to happen the leadership however doesn't want to come up so they don't you know they don't want to interfere the other side is to interfere with the public service for you know what is there in the middle of the siding something you know what's the bigger picture of economic impact of this  and you know what does this do to sort of regulatory processes down the road but i think majority of us pretty clearly see this is you know this is this is an agreement on this life it's not really an ambig guess i don't know but enough i clearly have an opinion i think the majority of the house has an opinion and it's you know it's still lurking there to commerce committee in the house is hearing about they're hearing from four of the sponsors of the the you know the pay the senate calendar in the house calendar a little bit different but they're there basically there's some things that are some of the first part of the calendar shows things that are waiting to be done by the body so there's a list of things that need to be done and those include bill to come out of a senate committee that need to be taken up by the whole senate or bill said have come over from the house that need to be assigned to a committee  senate bills that have come back from the house with an amendment on them changed so that's what that's what you read in the first part which was quite a few pages if you read if you read through it you know one one bill after another and they're divided by whether they have amendments sana or dip don't have a member and i can't remember the words they used but that's what there's some subdivisions there and so you're reading through and you see this list of bills and then you see another section another side so if a bill comes out of a senate committee with no amendments or something it would be under one title comes under a comes out of a senate committee the has a member sign it would be under another title and those things so that's the first part of the of it now so if you look at that you see that that's what the senate has to do the order that they're listed there has nothing to do with the order that they take up they're taken up by the person by the senate pro tem or whoever's in the chair decides to do it and so he or she can say you know when it's bangs the gavel and says  we're s one twenty three you know taken up blah blah blah blah whatever they say and then they call in the person to report it and all of that so if you're trying to follow what's when they're going to take it up it's narrow impossible so for example when one of the things that sim porton to do when you're in a committee is that we have oh i don't know half a dozen or eight have passed out of our human services committee that we want to pass the senate and they're in different stages in the senate and so we assign a person to each of those bills to sort of watch where it is in the senate so i'm interested in in the house bill one two three and i see it on the senate calendar i may go set up in the senate to see if they take it up but that could be a long a long clear now and so the senate has this long list today they may only pick up six bills today they may only take up one like they did thursday or friday they may schedule to meet yesterday and then not really meet so that's that's right in the house this has this a little different culture when you have that list the bill so it's ready to take we don't necessarily take them in the order that they're in the calendar but you can pretty well be assured that every one of those bills will be taken up now if once in a while somebody that the person that's reporting up will ask to be delayed one legislative day or till next week or something big first for some reason that they have so it will be taken up but but action will be taken on it so if they ask for it to be delayed till tomorrow i mean that's action that just gets put on the calendar tomorrow so for example if you looked at the house calendar today which had quite a few built on it and every one of them was taken up now we did go and have a lunch break and then came back went to caucus and came back but they all were they were taken up so i don't remember that i don't remember ever being on the house floor that every bill that was on our calendar wasn't taken up now i could be wrong i mean sometimes i might have been but never seen them live i don't remember seeing it whereas the senate is very it's very common so you know one person there just to move those off in those calendar so you can work on them sooner we have plenty to work on today so that that didn't happen so the idea behind the no this calendar is to to give people an opportunity to see that the bill will be taken up and it will be taken up the next day that is on the notice calender so then the next part of the the next part of the calendar then is details about the bill you're bringing up so if it's if it's a bill that has no amendments or anything it will just be the name of the bill and the person reporting it if it's a bill that has an amendment it will be the name of the bill and the amendment or amendments if it's a bill that is a strike call on amendment meaning as a complete rewrite then that whole bill will be listed there and that's why sometimes the calendar gets very long because it may be a twenty page bill and so twenty pages were just just doing that and when you're following a bill that's the hardest one to follow to see what it is because you're working in committee we're working on this bill and we're making changes to it and the decision is reached to do a strike call amendment in other words of all the language syria's and do new language and so the only place that that is published is in the calendar of the day comes out of committee now there's there's many reasons why you do a strike call one is because you're making gobs of changes i mean you're basically changing the whole thing that's what you think of but we had a bill this year that we made very few changes on but they were substantial changes and it sort of changed the feel of the bill and it sort of what we did was sort of change the order of the bill sort read easier as you write it and so we did a strike call without very many changes to it but it made for a much better the writing of the bill and that then to go a little bit too but didn't really say that you know when when you're working on a bill who is actually passed out of committee you can't find it on the main legislative web page  the prescription monitoring system just well it's happening well that was a the the prescription monitoring system was created in two thousand and six a database when you get a schedule two three or four drug prescription which is the narcotic opiates or vallium like drugs so when this was created there was a very large discussion about whether what the purpose of the database was was it for medical reasons to help doctors with their patients was it for you know people that go doctor shopping or go to multiple doctors to get multiple prescriptions of these drugs or was it to help law enforcement track down illegal use of prescriptions and the human services committee took a very strong stance that it was health related only and the the compromise was that there could be a discussion between the commissioner for health commissioner public safety to have to let law enforcement have access to it this year there was a request to allow three state police drug enforcement officers to have access to the database just like doctors get so they could go and put in your name and find out what prescriptions you got  that didn't pass the house the house was not and so one of the things was is we felt that there already is a way for a long for sprint to to obtain this and it's called going to a judge and getting a warrant to have access to something just like you get a warrant to do any other search and they had never in the six years of this database asked for a warrant to get this not one not once they never asked for a warrant never in fact there was only a handful of requests to the commissioner of health or for information when it went to the senate the senate took up the war part of that and they put some other stipulations on it but here's you know here's here's the the the big thing the house version says you can have access to it with a warrant and we did not use the word war and i say way because i was on the committee when we created this six years ago and there are five members of the committee we're still serving on the same committee so it was interesting that there were five of us that remembered this discussion from two thousand and six and were you know we we had really changed their mind about it so we see we changed it and said you can have access by fight getting a warrant now that that language wasn't in the bill and heck we we looked at the bill and we said jeez if we only would have put the word war in here you know it would have better defined but we had the the senate took that out and said that there there would be certain access to the database without a warrant blah blah blah blah i mean it switched around but basically they have to apply to the commissioner or to the health department the health department does the search and then gives them the data and i mean that's the two high level things so this is another situation  where the house and the senate really are quite far apart i mean requiring a war and not requiring a war is a major major differences i mean it doesn't sound like much but that's major difference in the philosophy of this so and in the senate also added what what amendment to it they added  know they had it some other amendment to it was unrelated to this so so here's another situation like we talked to earlier about the immunization where we if if it goes to conference committee we're going to have house members who are not only house members from human services that feel strongly about this but we have a house that voted very strongly in favor of this i don't remember what the vote was but it was i mean that and the mace to it were like in the teens or something it was and on this i don't remember the senate hasn't voted on it yet but i suspect the senate will be fairly lopsided upset i mean a lot for so we will do this so as george said the way for the same reasons that george speculated that the immunisation will die in conference committee i speculate that this could very well die in conference committee for the same reason because there are the the feelings are so strong and it's such a major thing it's not like just taking and you know changing a little here and there you give us a little and i give you a little well that there's not a lot to give i mean this is one major no only for the end of the session so that they're limited by the session conference committees sometimes get over in one two hour session you know there's two or three things they talk about they come to shake hands and  over their conference committee set me three times a day for six days in a row you know and each one has two or three hours so it all depends on you know this you know how long you want to negotiate how long you how long you want to go until you call is still waiting to pick them places but a lot of times in room ten eleven the defense will be the how much how many people they think are going to show up to listen transportation and i'm sure you drive around the state more than i do if you go to here sure i mean to massachusetts you realize it's an embarrassment that these roads are there any chance we're going to really make a substantial improvement in the major state roads i mean i would be doubtful that we're going to make a major improvement i mean they're paving more miles of road this summer than they ever have  but there's so much so many damaged roads that i still think there will still be a huge backlog because wondering yeah well that you know i agree with what george said however if you live in an area where they repave the road you drive most of the time you have the impression that they're doing that they're fixing some roads if you if you live in an area where they're not you know they're not paving the road that you feel is really bad then you don't think it's it's happening so last night or the night before i went out on the b trans web site there's a map of that shows the roads that are scheduled for they have three categories which i will never remember what they are one which repaving and i thought what that they are all repaving but there's repay being and there's i think they call it leveling and i think that's what they did in jericho last time where they just put put a thin coat on i think that's what they call leveling and i don't know when that anymore boy oh sure did and whatever the third one was but you can look at the map and see where they are and if you look at the end there so what they do is say a road this is going to be repaid does and read this section of it so you look at you see how much red you see and how much green or something like that and you look at this and you say well you know that's a lot of that's a lot of miles or road and then you look at it and say wow but that's only there's a lot of other miles too so the t ransportation bill did have more money for more miles a road for repaving and more bridges than we've ever had before but you know there the need is also there and i mean it's not just you know there were there was a lot of roads that needed it before irene and so there's still those roads that i've asked specifically about who fifteen several years of the transportation committee and i still have don't have an answer but you know where is the fifteen in with that really is was with the administration who's been very firm that there will be no the only broad based tax to tell a lot to be raised as your property tax so there has been talk over the years about  bonding for for road improvements and stuff and it it's one of those topics that has quite a bit of differences of opinion and so you know when there's a big difference of opinion you know sometimes it just sort of doesn't get done you know falters but it hasn't happened yet but i like it yes  you know others for six years ago i think it was that there was a big push to increase the gasoline tax for the purpose of road repair bridge repairs that just did not happen because of that just like for raising taxes about was the expense when it comes to bridges the expense of erecting a temporary bridge that's that really does do a big part of building the construction of the new bridge and still working around ways to know if there is a major highway there's a bridge or you just can't rebuild the bridge and close the highway without providing some detour or temporary bridge you know the the final version of h five five nine and the health care bill but you know they made some some basic choices we did on the house side about you know the sizes of the businesses included in these exchanges and you know some some about the plans the green mountain care board will decide about that the range of benefits that are that are in the plans  that you know the cost side of your time up the cost side a lot of people are talking about twenty seventeen when green mountain care kicks in this the state run program and yes we don't we don't know that in terms of setting up the exchanges there's federal money to set it up it has to be self sufficient in twenty fifteen but for for now there's a lot of money from the federal it's to set up exchanges and and get them started  in you know on the cost side you know one of the truisms that list this thing the seven weeks of testimony about this is that it probably doesn't make sense for any small business to be buying either inside or outside the exchange but it makes sense for businesses to let their employees go in as individuals because then you get there's a lot of opportunity for federal gives you the money and then you can spend it on the health care premium were going to it was going to give an alternative that still seemed like they were drowning and so to hear what you just said it worked because i think that the mandate about everyone having access and having fun here is important and i think part of doing that i speaking again to the individual i understand the models that have historically and that businesses are employees do certain things for forty years but i think some of that is that formula has to change and allowing employers a lot of small businesses it was not bob used to people for a long time the they would be much better off not actually providing the insurance themselves and you know a lot of people are focused on this what we want to be able to buy outside the exchanges stead of inside exchange the oldest as time went on that to me and i thought that was important we started seven weeks into it i thought that was pretty much on the on the only reason to do that was for political purposes because all the rules that apply to a plan inside exchange apply outside the exchange in your risk pool is the same it's one risk pool whether you're inside the stage or outside the exchange for the you know essentially the same plan from the same to the players from the same carrier it's the same risk pool so they did that to me sort of became the only reason to do it is so many people thought they want it now they likely would figure out fairly quickly that they would be a whole lot better off buying in the exchange if it all stands up as as initially planned just because the subsidies are pretty generous i mean we're talking about hundreds of millions of dollars in federal subsidies here we didn't stop the cat and we're waiting to see what happens in june on the senate side they took away the cadillac health plan but they left the tax on the employers in place so that's when the fights we're going to have in the conference committee it's by my point six million dollars mean there you can request you know some people go to the speaker and request to be on the conference committee that they'll do their their committee chair request that  the if you didn't vote for the bill it's doubtful that you'll be on the conference committee because remember the conference committee is to is because it's your first your side of it but there are there are some people who don't vote for the bill who feel that they they they would be good to be on it and so it's the when mental health overhaul bill what just it seemed like eons ago that we had a conference committee for that but that was one of the conference committees where the human services committee was the main thing but there was also since it has construction in the institutions that institutions committee had had a member on it so there were two members of the human services committee and the chair wanted to be on it she felt she should be on it she reported the bill usually the person who reports the bill on the floor when you have second reading is on the conference committee and the conference committee the chair of the conference committee is the person who reports the bill in the body that didn't that the house education committee took away that mandate that they have to be just that this training has to be offered but even that sparked this incredible battle on the floor today  started in the morning in the end up taking a break for lunch and in caucuses and it went on into the afternoon you know things about well this is a mandate on the school well on one of the things that people say to me to say you know bill would you introduce a bill for me for whatever and you know you could do that that's the easiest thing in the world to do you take your idea you give it to the lawyers say draw up a bill you submit it you can get some cosigners if you want and that's it that's what that is all that it takes to introduce a bill you know the hard part comes  on the big health care bill and i think that's it's not uncommon for committees to have one being a big bill and then some smaller bills i mean like you know the appropriations committee they do a budget adjustment but the big bill is that you know the whole pro creation the ways and means committee there they do the fee bills but they're really big bill with a miscellaneous tax  bill yeah well it's really you know there are a lot of bills on the wall and we've got to get somebody particularly the chair of that committee interested what was different in our committee i've been on this committee eight years now and we have had bills that we have spent as much time on as we did in the mental health over however typically what you do is you work for a week and then you may take a break and pick up some other bills or you and you have like that and then you come back the work on it and and then you will go out and find other people give people an opportunity to to learn about it and asked to testify or you'll you'll call people you know and not require them to come in  two days to testify and things like that and so that was sort of the difference that the mental health this year we started the second day of the session or third day and that was all we did we we  there's only like two breaks i think on something else there's a couple little things that we i can't remember what they were now but like that so that was what i considered the difference of a but wait we have spent equal amount of time on other bills i those states for i don't i don't remember any no votes you know that has that has been around this this was the first year that was introduced so the controversy so that was the only difference that that's interesting that that day the house meant early because the speaker was invited to be on stage with them and so on to have lunch with the one to be there for sure so we we  we went on the floor at eight o'clock and that was love and april no less and it was march twenty ninth or something like i don't remember what the bill was but a member who when he speaks he speaks for a long time and he stood up and he offered  amendment for this bill and it was just a i mean it was just an off the cuff amendment the bill had some what we call findings in it like twenty six findings or something in the bill meaning you know sort of the reasons members walked up to the clerk with a piece of paper which after a few of them did it was a was other a member and so want to be taken up these are all members of the party that the speaker does not belong to and so it became very clear that the republicans were taking exception to to starting at eight o'clock and getting over early just so the speaker to go meet with the and so you know the speaker standing up there you know being very good about it and everything and stuff when when the speaker asked to have the roll let's call it started and tom kight stood up again and he said mr speaker if you will look at your calendar you will see that we since we are not in session on april first that this time that they have pulled an april fool's joke on him the other time was we're just ready i think it just slammed the gavel to come to order and a what is your point of order he said mr speaker after you call this session to order only members can be sitting in the seat and i take exception to a member being in seat no one fifty one twenty three or whatever the seat was and chape looks over there and the member sitting in a seat and he looks back at the other member and he like this and he says and what what they do in a portable point of order they call the people up to discuss it and see which way they're going to be so he calls them up and they're coming up and you can see that there's something going on when all of a sudden the member who sits in that seat comes out from behind shap and taps him on the shoulder and chapped looks he looks over here and his identical twin was there that issue because we sort of had seemed like there was an agreement in the beginning that we would really weigh in on the senate's redistricting and they would really win on the house redistricting however the senate has weighed in on the house for distracting and has made some amendments to the house redistricting bill and so it's it's really it's hard to know exactly where it's going to end up we have to finish it and  and the senate's redistricting has not been taken up yet in the senate so you know who knows it should've been by now but the senate there's two places in the state where the senate wants to you know like move one town would be like taking bolt the moving back with us instead of something else and so and then there's also there's a big disagreement in burlington over one neighborhood that has like four hundred people in it or something if it belongs in this district or that district and there's a big argument about that and it's a line that was moved ten years ago and the question is well do you go back to the lines from ten years ago where do you maintain the lines that there are now there are differences strong differences of opinion about that so that the burlington one wasn't brought up in the senate which was surprising to some people however now the worry some is whether it's going to be brought up when the conference committee comes  think on the one of our health care bills in the senate our health care bill which is said under eighteen years old you cannot use a tanning bed and so the senate health and welfare committee without a word of testimony on physician assisted suicide death with dignity how did that to the to the bill and it got stripped out as non germane on the floor so some of that's back to where it was but these they got to talk about it on the floor for a little bit  know that november day the next day i was out in my yard trying to get my leaves raked and a neighbor walked by and stopped to congratulate me we had a nice chat and she said i hope you'll support death with dignity and that was my first after being told i did love this and i thought oh my goodness that is so so i know it's been for eight years and i saw i never went back and looked to see if it had been introduced before that if you remember it the house took testimony in two thousand and seven i believe it was  it died in committee on five five vote five two thousand stuff ok of five and so yes that would be right i was looking to the so they came to the floor and was defeated on on second reading never made it to third reading a sixty forty kind of kind of split the majority support it the majority of dogs would not participate but the majority supported and if you look at just primary care docs it was more like seventy thirty supported  you just keep bringing it up again you just keep bringing up again well i told you what's involved in having a bill introduced so there are people that want this passed you know legislators who want to pass they will introduce it because they want to passed there are people who don't want to pass they would not introduce it but that's the reason it gets introduced again there's also the the group there there are some very strong groups you know that are that are very much behind getting this passed and they've been doing a lot of work for us at ten the i would have said eight but i don't i only have five yeah i only know eight because that's how long i've been involved with it so  have been working very hard for that so if you have worked for ten years and getting something done you're not going to just give up i mean let's face it best not the way it works so this year it definitely was that if it's going to be if it's going to come up it starts in the senate the house has already done it twice and you know in recent history next year you know in the next biennium you know that could change my feeling is that we'll have the same speaker and that indeed that he doesn't want to start in the house so i wouldn't expect him to change his mind  depending on what the makeup of the senate is and and the committees that you know that would take it up you know this year it was pretty obvious that the judiciary committee which is who the senate chose to send the bill to was definitely split three to two against it but you know next year there may be different there be different people on that and the pro tem of the sun is definitely against it this year but it was it was rumored to be very very close like sixteen fourteen in the body so the governor worked very hard to get somebody to change their vote but i don't think anybody really did but you know it will take a lot of changes in the senate for that to potentially be exigent so this is interesting george mentioned the sixteen fourteen that was the most common vote count that you heard from the senate but there were other people who said it was fifteen fifteen those who say it was seventeen thirteen i mean it very and so it's like what do you mean well remember you don't know the vote vote until the clerk calls and you have to say yea or nay up until then it's only somebody walking around and saying to you would you vote for it and you don't have to say yes or no you know you could say well i think so all or any anything else and so it's how you interpreted that so if if i come up to you and save you in favor of death with dignity and you say yes that's a pretty strong indication that you're going to vote for but if you say anything else besides yes then i have to interpret how you're going to vote and that's where vote counting is really hard when you when you go out  and see how it is and so there there are people who are good at asking the question the right way there are good people that are better at interpretating out or getting it out of you but that's why when you  hear it is a seventeen thirteen count it's a fifteen fifteen count that's where those differences is and it's not so much that you said yes to one person and go to another it's basically that how they interpreted it you mentioned this th grown in the ocean that there is a there is a need for another senator they've been trying to work around that instead of giving chicken county seven senators is you know that they have been working at taking towns out of chicken hounding him putting him like bolton there's been rumored to go to washington county and huntington to washington county and once share a lot to addison coney and things like that just like you know cold chester  think there's a wide variety of different types a lobbyist i think sure you've met i mean there are those who who are full time and are paid you know this is this is their profession that you know they they are hired by organizations to lobby form and they have one or two or six or a dozen different organizations that they do a for and all the way down to people who just lobby on their own for their for their own cause omar gallaga of parker doing parker does very well you know he is obviously obviously a full time but parker is the type a lobbyist who gets to know everybody and knows you know and knows exactly where you are he knows of people who are who represent scary at times you know where what their position is he's very good you said he's an athlete you go  great person there to do that so and you know he he he knows the the bills to follow him and i think he follows basically almost all bills us to try to defend certainly we're where we are we've seen very flagrant examples of people taking advantage of the system cannot you cannot  someone is so obviously taking advantage we had i had an example with even the individuals attorney has come back to us and said this is this is ridiculous and that's on an so it's actually both sides george because in one example we know we don't have definitive proof but the individual has been getting so much medicine and so much of the the whole stuff and i don't know what they cannot possibly utilize it for themselves so they're obviously doing something with it on the side but i can't prove anything can i thought about calling the state police and say you know we can give you some particulars but i haven't done that just just to let you know it's it's a tough environment for businesses out there it really is very you know in some ways it would be really nice if we could get rid of the medical side of worker's comp and if we really do get the twenty seven thousand with green mountain care for everybody in the state is covered it would be really nice to have to move workers comp into the into the general health care system if everybody's going to get their treatment through this you know a funding bill that's good and then we have there's a study that the mistress was supposed to bring back to us they haven't done it yet about doing exactly that so the good thing about the medical side i shouldn't be arguing this case but you know to the doctor will plan like we have if the employer is footing the bill there tends to be a lot more proactive involvement to make sure that the individual gets off the medical gets back to work sooner than perhaps they would otherwise if they use their own health care for the process just i don't know it's just