agency and anyway everything was finalized and then adoption like i said in february of two thousand and nine in september of two thousand nine hundred that came into my hand from montana was five years old at the time to say for the you know that that there are many types of personalities in this world kenny is a unique personality i don't think she would be offended by my saying that penny is very assertive she's not one to back down she's one to be very assertive with regard to her writings she expects things from her attorney rest the representation trust me i believe that i know that said that she knew that that was a wrong thing to do or that she thought it was violent or anything along and it's a very strong willed woman again she  seems to appreciate the more compliant if they say some things to be done you better do doesn't necessarily matter to them if it relates to the case or relates to maybe the problem  with the needs we have our first story and that is the montana fell out of that and that was the group apparently of school she had talked to the principal she told the principal that boy who was the son of the babysitter and you might remember my indicating that for four days at least two full days and then after school on a couple of days on campus and actually ben at the ba i was afraid of what might happen or what might be said so i took pictures of that group out of the blues you make such a statement what's really is that even though these you know that knew that my interest so separate attorneys were then appointed for the party away from her she deserves aggressive representation she's not necessarily an easy target to please i will be the first movement that she expects a lot she had different attorneys appointed for her  terms quite frankly she was just wanting good representation and representation and had her best interests at heart those were the words that she used very often and in any  judge said she did not deserve it her and the judge later denying that said that wasn't sure if she shows up at the hearing she asked for an attorney that was denied so she had no choice she went forward and represented stuff at the motion to read here first of all she started telling why she didn't trust the cia that she said that they had with held evidence from her of a rape kit that had been done on mont did it and he said i told them that i would get my own and they said no i couldn't give my own so she goes to her own doctor and she's that right the latter she presented that letter from the doctor to the well and that letter sad and he doesn't have any mental illness but again the c f s felt like that wasn't good enough the penny all testified as to other reasons why she didn't think she should have to miles they wanted her to drive now that might not seem like a lot because i'm sure you drive one just to get here but penny per family income was around seven hundred dollars a month and she had a car with a problem u evidence that penny presented that they weren't being reasonable efforts they were all working against or if the documents were relied on by the court to make those findings then even have the opportunity to really come to burden of those documents truth then the result is that i've heard three unify or the lack thereof make no difference at all in deciding the ultimate disposition of the time and i can't imagine that that's what the law is supposed to be or it i following the dispositional order the court was often to appoint me to represent her if she was entitled to an attorney after the disposition oh she should have been entitled to one before and during this while it was difficult for her do that and i understand courts get busy in larger areas that's particularly true they have the form and they often check the blanks on the form that they're taking a child away from a parent take the time to court several times you can't blame her for wanting a good attorney to represent her interests and you can't blame her for the later part of it the judge when he gave the remarks that gave the appearance of precedence and there were several other things that i made in my degree i guess i should've made those additional arguments but i argued with make up without but the bottom line your honor is that my client's been treated terribly unbearably in this matter just lost her child they took the child away that every possible safeguard should be implemented when that occurred and it just wasn't here the way to the center of her face dollars did these for a turn east for the newest many thousands of dollars for representation that responded simply refused to accept and sometimes so at some point there has to be a limit to her area they refused to give her a visit they refused to tell them all out with montana and they refused to give or give the penny and may i mention this before they refused to give her family pictures took them were i believe there were two pictures of the time i know there was testimony about a bruise that occurred september august september of two thousand and nine but there's also some evidence in the file about another group you don't dispute under the circumstances were given attorneys who she felt were not adequately representing her she was not given a timely hearing she was expected to comply with the demands of the state agency that had fabricated allegations against her refused to work with her in any respect she felt like they were against her not working for her she tried lying around by getting a room doctor's report now offering to get her a psychological that was never go