information our last step was presenting that issue to the federal circuit you know if that would happen and they would be ordered to provide the information that we think is relevant and material to this case  we would respectfully suggest that a short period of time would be allowed for us to submit what should happen in light of that why isn't there more appropriate then yes if this case concludes you go back to the actor mithun's colleagues revealed no evidence on which to take any disciplinary action against them that is for us to read w interim in credibility because we did raise credibility below it was raised by the board itself and for this is one of the important things about this appeal the lord said judge maria and you did that correctly make those required credibility variations that the board said in their first decision whatever it but it's a little hard for me to be arguing that now in other words they should have sent it back again for her to make further credibility traditions were my understanding is on the record that you all said you decided here boy help send it back again you do what you do expect your credibility wherever is that now what what happened i would say clear and convincing evidence of the agency would have taken and taken the same action in the absence of the protective disclosure and really that is the only issue that's presented here there are some other interesting issues that have been decided evidence of the agency strong when you consider that wish both supports into tracks from their conclusion and what we see here we are seeking a  merits of the such protection board for with directions what would we help you know one of the things that they haven't is because back to their first decision which is make the required credibility terminations in light of these things that they point out there's conflicts between the agency witnesses and as to why they  exist in the record but of have put have been incorrect conclusions from conclusions that just defy common sense the known and unknown aspect of whether slue ford and they said we don't find evidence of these most heinous of allegations against you we do think that you could use some training on your communications to techniques which they allowed them in their a medical center that conducted its own investigation and appointed an industry of investigative board which interviewed sixteen witnesses and producer and report which show that many that there were many concerns about this time and i understand they went to the board and board said well we don't have a case because we'll see how wife it's happened the way they did but there is an alternative chantel for recourse there is  discovery on appeal the record before this up court is closed yet the board does have a procedure to reopen the matter if certain requirements are met materiality and showing that the evidence was not should be final and seeking to then reopen a record on a case that has been decided by the ministry of change and the board and this court seems to go against judicial finality omitted from their consideration or is otherwise just considered for a wrong conclusion so in light of those things we what the information is going to show to be fair to everyone the information may not be relevant if we get it but it very well and it point we may say oh it's a lot more clear now this should all