again thanks ron ok well welcome what i'd like to do today is certainly give you an update as to where we are a little bit of history how we got here a very short history of how we got here  ryan did a good job of painting that picture but what i'm really interested in is answering questions that you may have about what we're doing how we're doing it why we're doing it or maybe even how we got to that point of doing it a pull of thread that ryan started following a little bit when he talked about the community energy plan ten years ago we were looking to understand our power supply better we thought with the growth of the ninety's we needed more generation we did a power study and said yup what we think is true is true we need some more generation to handle the load that it's developing but to also address the power plants that are down on pine that are aging the oldest one was built in fifty three that's operating and the youngest was built in the late sixty's so they were getting towards the end of and as you all may know we went through a process of doing a study we looked at the variety of generation sources that we had in we landed on a circulating fluid ice bed power plant  about eighty megawatts i came on board in two thousand and seven which was right at that time frame where we were starting to move from planning into actually getting ready to build so on the first things we did we looked at what's the cost to build this plan today it's about one hundred fifty million dollars back then for eighty megawatts a lot of money so we started the process went through it and tried to go through it and we met a lot of resistance a lot of resistance legal resistance community resistance of variety of things that just i don't know i'm i'm the type of person that if you look at something and no matter how hard you work at it it's hard in a matter how hard you push it's hard in a doesn't get any better the eventually you come to the conclusion that maybe you ought to reboot maybe it's too hard for a reason a good reason maybe you should be thinking of a different approach and that's where i got to and dave koester lauren howard all of us that were working on this did do reboot and it came about initiated by the community energy plan in the recommendations that came out of it we took that information we rolled it into an analytical process called a sustainable return on investment it is a high powered economic analysis of not only financial return most businesses look at financial return as their metric of whether to investor not my going to make money that's important but we also looked at the other intangibles or the things that we could that matter to a community quality of life water clarity land use is the waterfront the best place to have a power plant and out of that analysis took a year and we had panels we formed a local panel we had people on call rap panels took him put tried to roll it into a night neat package in runs man a letter out of that process came some recommendations sensually there were there were four that came out of this one is we shouldn't put any more money into dion it's old technology it's too expensive to get into compliance with the environmental laws that are coming into place and twenty sixteen it doesn't make sense to if we're going to build generation we shouldn't build it on the waterfront there's other uses for the waterfront the community has a vision that is different than an industrial waterfront so we should be building there three we needed to invest in more renewables part of the work that i did early on here was i chased two wind projects to wind farms one in the upper peninsula on the east side and believe it or not there is no wind up there i didn't think that would be the case but not enough to support a wind farm and then locally here in over i saw area over eisel township fillmore township in that area but the cost to do it was just too much for because it was a small scale just cost too much but in the process of doing that we did find is ryan pointed out two contracts are about four and a half cents a k w one win farm down in indiana one over by ethical and that was the other recommendation was to engage those two contracts so it's thirty two megawatts of power that we have contracted out of those wind farms in the last one was a natural gas fired combined cycle power plant of at that time one hundred fourteen megawatts so we took that board took at the council got approval by both bodies and then executed quickly the wind contracts we started looking for a site to build a power plant we had eight different sites around the holland that we looked at all of them had pluses all of them had minuses but one of the big drivers for location is hey we've got this snow melt system and somehow someway we've got to support it and connect to it so that we can continue to have a snow free downtown and maybe even expand  one site that we looked at was a forty eight street picker site down on forty eight street but to run the snow melt piping from that point to downtown to connect was a thirty million dollar bill of itself thirty million bucks to have the right size pipe we had to have forty eight inch because out in a forty eight inches in that's pretty big hole in the ground where you've got to put two of those side by side and run it in so we had routing problems so we finally looked at sites that were closer in the area where the plan is to be sited really hadn't hit our radar screen until i took a drive down behind just because i didn't know what was back there and looked into geez this might make sense and we floated that idea past the board of public works the board of the board of public works and city council and got support to do that it was a huge effort it's not something that's easy when you're buying property from people and relocating people we purchased sixty one parcels of property that involved twenty seven homes seven businesses distinct businesses and then one industrial facility in that industrial facility had seventeen businesses inside so we spent almost a year negotiating with the owner making offers and buying property we finally completed that actually in the last transaction that we have isn't even the purchase of property it was a purchase of the right to take down two homes that leo burnett and his wife on which we did it we just it's not good to have people living too close to industrial facilities they might accept it initially but over time it may become irritating so it just made sense to buy those and we just completed that we put in for an air permit july two years from this coming july you may recall it took us four years to get the air permit for the solid fuel plant and we had to sue the governor and have a judge call her capricious an arbitrary we got a permit  that's the good news the bad news is in the time it took us to get that air permit the cost of the plant went from one hundred fifty million to three hundred thirty million ok that doesn't work we're one hundred million dollar company i was involved in a company consumers at one time that had four billion dollars tied up in a new plant that never became a nuke but took us bankrupt that close so i did work for us so we put in for air permit in july permit to operate you can't build one ok that's really kind of the key keystone of the power project is is to get an air permit you can't finance a project if you want to go out and borrow money if you don't have an air year ago this past december once you get that now it's kind of getting real so we have a property we've got an air permit of time to figure out what are we going to build you know what what exactly is going to look like we have a pretty good idea i mean we've done a lot of work up front last year about this time actually a little earlier february january february we started putting proposals together for the equipment we needed a couple of gas turb to power to be the initial source of power we needed a steam turban for the steam cycle we need some heat recovery steam generators they're like boilers that heat water with the waste heat coming out of the jet turbans jet turbans have a lot of heat coming out the back it goes through a bunch of tubes and heat recovery steam generator that heats the water up to steam which then goes to a sting to so we had to buy those three types of equi we put out for bid selected vendors and purchased that equipment last summer june july so we ended up with some  in july through august of this year the combustion turbans the jet engines with a generator on the back of them are coming from then spawn sweden manufactured in europe and will be shipped over here i believe they're going to be delivered right to the very plain dock actually and then we'll bring them down ninth all the way to the site and bring them around the heat recovery steam generators that voters making are being made in south korea they will be shipped to new orleans they'll be transported to or tranship to a barge come up the mississippi put on a different barge in chicago and then brought in to replant again into planks that i'll be happening between the end of july in the end of august so now we've got the big pieces and parts if you will that's the heart of the power of a modern power plant are the prime movers we call them that actually spend generators will have three generators that are spinning making electricity  happens is it could've gone the other way so we made the decision rather than to take that foreign exchange risk and let it float we fixed it at that point in time and said you vendor you're going to take the risk if it dollar strong you make out right so we chose not to do that from a risk profile standpoint but it's got it's an excellent point yeah they're making their make them better than what they didn't support it i'm sure but we're not doing bad because we've got some pretty good prices on the equipment when we bid that out so we've got the big pieces and parts now have to have somebody put it together we've put together an r p another r p and we had fifteen teams that were interested in building this project fifteen we cut that down to five we qualified five teens they did it when we got the bids after they've koester been passed out and i got him off the floor because of the numbers that came in we regrouped and said ok we're going to take a little different approach we have how and accept a little more risk pricing risk we're going to accept a little more schedule risk and we're going to have them requote essentially what this arrangement is it's a partnership in many contract or owner relationships it can be confrontational it can be a win lose arrangement in many cases if you take that approach on a project this size you really set the set yourself up for some issues and the only people that make out of the lawyers ok so we chose to partner with these vendors that we're quoting and saying we're going to work with you we're going to accept a certain amount of risk we're going to go through the process and get firm hard quotes on equipment firm hard quotes and materials so that you as a contractor do not have that pricing risk we're sharing that with you we're also going to relax the schedule a little bit originally we wanted the plant done in november of sixteen instead now we'll accept february of seventeen took some took some of that schedule risk off their plate in october we've narrowed the selection mal martin models a firm located in southfield michigan they had partnered with sac reengineering whose home office of san antonio texas but we're working with her minneapolis office and progressive although it's doing the architecture for the building and the site plan if you will the landscaping and everything outside of plant we entered into an engineering service agreement with them in the latter part of october they started doing the engine the detailed engineering work we've done a lot of preliminary engineering work we kept negotiating and you put our contract part of february they brought the construction trailers on site we've got right now eight trailers on site that they're in they will have eight more before they're done and then all the other subcontractors will also have their trailers are operating out of one of the homes that we purchased it's a very nice brick home that i understand was built by one of the poles if you remember the pole museum up north with a car that was built by one of them  hundred thirty nine it's the best project office of ever had hardwood floors brick opec handrail going up an open staircase to the second floor i'm i'm used to double wides when you when you build projects not not having these fancy big but it is very nice when we get done with that home we will be auctioning it off and we have checked with a home mover out of muskegon deets that does this for a living says that home is eminently movable and we'll have that relocated somewhere and reused and why are we doing that well one of the programs that we chose to engage for this project is very similar to the whole community energy plan if it parallels the thoughts the ideals that are in that energy plan and that program is called in vision and it's a part of the institute of like lead you know a lead that is for buildings and it measures their efficiency essentially invision looks at the project as a whole everything you're doing not just the building but everything you're doing relative to that project it looks at did you engaged your in community when you made this decision or did you just do it did you look at using brownfield instead of greenfield and it has a huge huge huge list of a variety of things that you do as a project manager or as a community that's building a project that show that sensually gives you a sustainability score as to how this project was developed  build and so a lot of the things that we're doing on this project aren't what you'd normally see in a project a power plant in the middle of twenty six acres with a park around it you don't see that very often the really really isn't done because people don't most people don't want you around a power plant it's noisy it's big people don't know anything about it this project will have a public gallery spine the red spine that's on it that will be set up for tours an education about this power plant about power in holland about our history about sustainability about community energy plan so that we can educate people to how do we get from eight hundred ninety three to two thousand and seventeen and so we have set a goal for this project to be invision platinum that's the highest level of  addition certification there has not been a power plant certified in vision to begin with let alone platinum so we want to be the first and the best and we're on track to do that we keep score every month we go through the various things the goals that we've set in are we accomplishing that are we doing what we need to do and oh by the way you can't just do it and say you did it you have to document so that contract that was this thick invision will be about that there was also the sudden other goal for the plant i was i was very fortunate a little earlier in my career be involved in a project that made an industry power plant of the year award goes up with a growing generating station and we got that for innovation and by integrating that plant into the community that actually helped the community solve a sewage disposal problem they had you think we have a winner here grayling's got snow from october through maine in the sewage treatment system was a lagoon system in the one anaerobic so by using the water from the lagoon system in the cooling tower we could actually help their system function better all year around and we for those reasons that plant mean power plant in the year one thousand nine hundred two we've set a goal to have this plant the power plant of the year and either sixteen or seventeen and i think we'll have a good chance of doing man so here we are the first part of april contractors wisconsin we don't need a crane that big but we had it available because the company was going to use it this year on another project so our construction manager made arrangements to get it at a reduced price of the same price for whatever sized crane we would have had but that large crane allows us to do is lift things simpler and easier you know a three quarter ton pickup truck can carry a load a lot easier than a half ton you don't have to worry about the loading as much and that's kind of the same with this crane it can reach out further you don't it's not as critical on loading those type of things that we've got that it's a good thing we've got all of their earth moving equipment on site before frost laws went into effect so we have a number of bulldozers excavators compact or except for going on the site schedule wise as i said we've have equipment being delivered into july through august so we have to have foundations poured in cured because when they arrive we will lift them off the truck lift their transporters and actually put them right on the foundation move at once so we'll put those on the foundation we plan on having that all done by the fall and they'll be building the building up after these are on the foundation will start building the building at the east end where the admin building is in working west so that by the time they've got all the equipment the met most of the big stuff is to the west so we'll get that on and by wintertime november december timeframe we should have the building and closing all of that in the skim around once that's done then we start doing all the stuff that you have inside  put that all together the schedule calls for us to fire the gas turban first one in september of sixteen fire the second gas turban in october of sixteen and put steam to the steam turban in the vendor of sixteen if there is a thing goes right and we have no hitches from the get along which oh by the way very seldom happens we should have the plant ready for commercial by february fifteenth of seventeen but the schedule shows us and december issue of sixteen just some neat facts about this technology this plan this plant on a per kilowatt basis will use half of the energy to make that kilowatt as a young player so when ryan is talking about reducing energy when you holland there is you know all of the discussion i would say the major worry when we talk about this early on was the price of gas and the volatility you know it's up and down all around fortunately would you agree with  not shale gas has provided an abundance of natural gas at a very very low price for us so i talked about the power plant project i'll bring that up a minute and talk about what's going on on site in addition to the power plant project we've got to get gas to it you know by the way we've got to get the power out of it oh yeah and we got to connect to snow melt so you this big power plant what everybody sees is kind of neat and great but i've got to build a thirteen mile gas pipeline out over eisel to get the gas to the plant so we're working on that right now the construction on that should start the summer august timeframe and it should be done about april of next year thirteen miles of ten inch pipe it's about a twelve million dollars project the transmission nobody likes to look at transmission we struggled with that to where do we run it how do we do it where do we hook up the route we came up with as a compromise but it runs north along c f sucks out of the site and goes through the c s x yard crossed  ike wood and then up along the west side of thirty one to jane's in between the mall we've got there are steak n shake burger king momar up up in between thirty one and in that will go up and when we get to james will turn west and go down james toward james street substation which is about a mile down james james used to be the one thirty eight corridor until we put in a substation to the north up on quincy so we topped the poles on chains and just left a distribution underneath it well now we're going to go back and replace some of those polls and go back put the one thirty eight over the same footprint that it used to have that's a total two and a half mile project and that's about a four million dollar project to do that same kind of construction timeline they'll start construction late summer and it also will be done in april of next year and last but certainly not least is our connection to snow now as you may be aware ryan and his folks brian white we've got a huge construction going on downtown this year right now they're working on central avenue rebuilding that from third fourth know big state eventual right so that's going on and on the end of eight between mid block between college and columbia we'll be tying in to the heter supply for snow melt coming from the power plant so we're going to come out of the power plant between holland import in fields underneath the spur that goes to hamilton turn and go west on eighth street all the way down to in front of things macca told me growing in that area with thirty inch not forty eight with thirty inch headers to tie into snow melt this part of the project is a multi year project we're doing this work this year but we also have some work on ni scheduled for sixteen and the work that we're doing this year is three million plus minus two eight to seven and something like that and we've got some more work next year so that by doing all these projects and it's going to be a busy two years we will have a new power plant able to get the power out toward grid we'll have five tiny is the capacity for snow melt ok right now we've got about half a million square feet of snow melt i think this construction season adds another eighty thousand hundred thousand square feet something like that with the ability to put much much more in as i understand it sitting listening to ryan talk and talk last night there's many people that are interested in tying him to snowball so it's good to have that surplus it's very good to have that surplus we've been we sensually been maxed out for the last five ten years the young the old unit unit three just didn't have any more to give we were using everything we could get out of it so now we have a new power plant that will last thirty to fifty years we've got to snow melt system that we can expand and improve our quality of life i like getting out of the car and not putting my foot in two zero foot of slush and it certainly is a much better environmental performance much better environment with that let me call up the camera i don't know if you've been out p twenty one decision dot com but we have a live camera that shows what's going on if you look at these cranes there's two of them here it's hard to see can we shut off a light or two for a moment that's ok oh that's better you see there's a crane here that's the big crane this is the magic to walk eighteen thousand the moon is actually laying on the ground because we don't need it right now you don't want it up in the wind and oh by the way we have to notify the f a a every time we were a set up because the boom is so high we don't want an aircraft to hit these other two cranes over here they have a long probe that they are supporting that probe it is driven by hydraulics and has an eccentric cam in it so it vibrates the probe and there is water supply that goes to it so you know how you can take a hose and you stick it in sand and it goes down by the hydraulic pressure in the flow of the water that's essentially doing the same thing and what we're doing is we're compacting the soil these foundations to support that equipment are about four foot thick they're heavy so we have to have the soil dense enough to be able to support them so dozens subtle so they're dropping these probes into the ground vibrating it using the water to help liquify the sand that's underneath there and we do have twenty twenty five foot  very nice clean sand vibrating that to compacted they have seven hundred twenty six drops that they have to do underneath the foundations that we have to plant they'll take more about a month to get that  so that's what's going on we've been taking sand if you saw over you can't see it on the camera but it's up in this area they were digging and moving sand they are pulling sand out of a making a hole in point sand out of it to put up where the foundations are going because you as you compact that soil that sand it actually same i mean it drops well we've got to maintain the same kind of elevation so they've been bringing sand in as late as they compacted and sink it  this pile here is all crushed concrete all of the house foundations concrete block parking pads the a p i building all the concrete floors foundations all of that we ran through it crushed and have kept would use this aggregate on site during the construction there's about twenty five thousand cubic yards there but three hundred thousand dollars worth of baggage if you had to go out and buy it so you can see this loader here has gone back and forth he's actually getting some of that sand that we mined if you will and is putting it up by the probes to let the probes subtle that  that part of the plant is close to the steam turban area the plan is lined up so that the combustion turban and the heat recovery steam generators are in a line in there were other oriented north south in there on the far west side of the plant let me pull up  let me go back here ok come on now there are with me as i train figure out where i'm supposed to be yeah there we go pick come back here  see which one i want to look at look at this one any time you may stop this area here right where they're at right now is right about in here where they're compacting but this area back here is where the her savings are on the south side side by side here and then the combustion turbines are up on the north of them so this building has the heat recovery steam generators in the combustion turbines the jet engines and this building here has a steam turban this oriented east west so that sits right here up on this side is our electrical room or we've got switch here breakers things for turning power on and off in a maintenance shop is also on that and right here we have an ox boiler that is used to supply steam for the steam turbine seals when we're starting it up but will also be utilized if for some reason the plant is down for any significant time in the winter and we've got to provide heat to snow melt that way has the ability to also do that this smaller building right here is the office or admin section of the plant for plant management and for training that's the entrance to the plant the control room where the operators work the operate the plant is in that area this area on the front is what we call our water room it's where we clean up the drinking water which is very clean to begin with but we have to make it a sensually pure or very very few impurities in it we run it through an r o reverse process to take everything out of it to use for the steam cycle the gas will come in on this and our gas pipeline is coming up north south here and we'll come into this part of the building this is our cooling tower that's the same that's the technology we use to collapse the steam the water that goes through that system goes through a condenser collapses the steam so the water can be reused that's also where we get the heated water for snow melt that circulating water is what we will pull off and send out downtown for snow melt ok now zealand has an issue with cooling towers washington avenue routinely is closed due to plume ok well i was informed early on that a cooling tower plume would be a c e o moment for me career ending opportunity ok and i'm close to retirement so that's not all bad but i'd like to i'd like to choose when i retire so we have a fairly new technology that's going in here it's called clear sky technology and ninety to ninety five percent of the time you should not see a plume at all out of the school in tow it has what we call a torturous path the the pathway for the water vapor going up through that has to make many twists and and what that does is it knocks the water out of the air so when you get up to the top of the cooling tower there's nowhere near the water in the vapor that sealant past so we're doing everything we can to make sure that chicago drive doesn't have a set of railroad arms and we have to shut it down so that's where we're at and i guess i'm interested in answering any questions that you may have  combustion turbines are sitting out there and it's well the last i knew it was a thirteen hundred megawatt fourteen hundred megawatt gas combined cycle project their fifty five percent coal plant thermal efficiency a good thirty three of real highly efficient supercritical coal plant might get to thirty eight getting to forty oh yeah we're we've been planning all kinds of even and such with this plant the steam turbin that we've bought we had designed into the casing for that an extraction and ability to take steam out of the turban at a certain pressure and temperature the just happens to match what hope college needs for their steam supply three years yeah something like that you know so we've got that built into it we don't have an arrangement but we've got the possibility so we'll certainly be having more of those discussions we've had some preliminary discussions with hope the snow melt system operating it ninety five to one hundred degrees on the hot leg water going out hot leg in the cold leg coming back after it's given to heat up to the streets in the sidewalks of seventy five degrees are still ok so we have been doing a district study as part of the community energy plan that was one of the recommendations came out figure out a way to have a central heating system or central heating cooling system while with the snow melt infrastructure that we haven't place seventy five degree water and heat pump in the winner is about as good as it gets from an efficiency standpoint you get a and efficiency rating a c o p of four or five or six up in that neighborhood which is on what do you do yeah well if you get the right water flowing through snow melt of it's not heated if it's cool if it's groundwater something like that there might be enough forty five fifty degree water that you could have that heat pump on the reverse cycle doing what it needs to do so there's a lot of moving parts in that in that analysis so we're we're trying to peel that onion as best we can on the working with g m b a local f contract a requirement that or construction of this plant produces a plant that does not exceed fifty d b ok that's tough we are looking at options relative to the cooling tower and some other things on the plant to could actually have that d be down around forty five at highland avenue that's the closest residential neighborhood for us is just to the east we haven't made the commitment yet but i would suggest that we're very close to purchasing the options if you will to have that down it forty five highland avenue that would put the d b a d b a freedom village of about thirty eight a quiet country night is it is thirty five ok all there to be determined well it could be i have committed to the city and to dave to stick around till i get this one built i'll be sixty three when it's done if i have an interesting project that whets my appetite i could stick around work for another year or two and i know how to do that and i grew up on a farm and how to do  make it so there's a value of having to young sitting there and it can burn natural gas and run have it sitting there that one time it showed it might be worth four or five million dollars a year just sitting but valuation i guess is what i'm saying it's some point in time there's going to be more value to the city to the residents to the community at large of having something different done with that site a fifty sixty year old power plant sitting there  that will happen in any event right we we're going to be done burning coal by next year roughly this time will be out of coal ted will have that all  gone is is ryan says we've got some cleanup to do there we need to deal with the existing coal pile we need to deal with the existing ash ponds just to make it preserve all presentable so that that'll go on and i heard there's a rumor somebody would like to have power plant lost some the waterfront so i got power plant here some going to come back and get closer now have the same smell the you know that you have in a house sewer used to run a gas but that's the last thing that we want the cooling tower shouldn't have any smell i mean it it's pretty benign i've never had an issue relative to a gas plant with smell biomass plants whoa absolutely know no this this plant will not be bio gas yeah it could use landfill gas but at this time we're not looking at that i mean we've got that's why we're putting in the ten inch better all the way out for park real quickly we are we are building some very nice trails and park land around the plant we're going to utilize michigan native gases grasses grasses  trees shrubs that type of thing this plant is in a unique place it's kind of a linchpin between the western trail system and the mcintyre greenway to the east i know that travis williams and kurt har i've put together a proposal looking to get funding to be able to do a jack and bore tunnel underneath the sea of sex mainline come along the north edge of our property the plant property cross the maplewood drain and then go down to the black river and than tie into the map what our greenway trails that are to the east that's about i think total one point two one point three million dollar deal they're going to be out fundraising some of our contractors have committed to support that i'd like nothing better than when we have our power plant dedication in the summer of seventeen to have a dedication is open is that section of the trail same time it's going to be a really neat area it's going to be lighted and the trail system on the plant site will be lighted with l e d lights will have parking for the public that will be brought actually right now kind of behind where we're hague's is will be public parking to get get to it we will have a natural water feature of this actually part of our pollution prevention the storm water retention area  that will have the trail going by it so it should be a very neat place to hang out r oh the demolition yeah i have to go out to p twenty one decision dot com there's a really neat video that our friends at boileau communication put together showing what we were dealing with  this area has is an old part of holland it's been around for a long time and it aged a little bit we had we've got right now about thirty years of concrete slabs that were part of the maintenance of the sidewalks in the city of holland it was a dumping area we had tires thrown over the edge and we took three hundred some odd tires out of there and recycled them mattresses so you name it we had it scuse me p twenty one power for the twenty first century p twenty one decision dot com that's got all that's what this site is it has all the information is great historical might be on one of our handouts will get you a handout i know that it's on that we when we demolished all the structures on the property that we purchased the other thing that we did is we tried to recycle actually took a lot of the doors hardware things that they could use in their refurbishment of homes and in holland so part of that invasion process is looking at the higher use reuse as much as you can if you can't you reduce it recycle it and try to make sure that what you put into a landfill is as small a footprint as possible so y with the cooling tower most of the time because of what it is you won't see a plume it's just isn't there on a very cold day it will be a white just a white plume it's not particularly it's not really a pollutant it's water vapor it's water vapor and that'll mean the summers when you get those high humidity days yeah you'll you'll have a just because the air can't carry any more moisture and you know we do get some of on those plants are of the vintage where that wasn't accomplished that's one of the reasons that we made the decision that we did because we didn't want to invest many millions of dollars in scrubbers on an old plant we need to get rid of our inventory of coal that's bought and paid for and we need to get the value out of that and we need to support snow melt from a power stability standpoint it's good to have that generation in holland but right now with the market being what it is we can buy power for the most most of the time cheaper than the young can make it coal up through two thousand and twenty three but based upon the market conditions and the cost the odds of that happening i would suggest are slim so realistically the spring of sixteen will more than likely be the last coal that's burnt in dion year from now to oh geez i was hoping to get away without talking about that the the budget what i expect to bring this plant in for with the gas pipeline the transmission and everything we do about two hundred eight million and i got twenty one million of contingency from two hundred twenty nine if everything goes as bad as it could you know where you got to get into continued see i don't plan to but we may we issued one hundred fifty eight million dollars of bonds for this plant we had about seventy million in cash that we've built up over the last ten years zoning requirements as it relates to noise for this project ok everything that we're doing is we're doing because we believe it's the right thing to do is to make it as quiet as possible so that we don't create problems for people but there was noise in that area before this plant was ever been contemplated built and there's noise on chicago drive and what you find is this plant will be quieter than the background noise for the most part that was there yet is it's so i hate to say trust me you know that's that's a that's that usually doesn't go over well ah but we are doing everything that we can possibly do to address that so we don't have these questions coming up after the fact when it's much harder to fix it's much easier to do something with the building most of these projects aren't in a building most of them are outside without a building around them like the ceiling plan is that helps with noise you look at the modifications we're doing the cooling tower what we're doing to the building skin all of this is being done to get the lowest possible footprint noise footprint that we can get and i'm sure at some point in time as we get to operating the plant we can sit down and over those noise surveys and show people here here's the before we did before surveys we know what the noise was