is not legally cognize of all or is not persuasive to us to me this is very much a standard of review case and one could come to the factual conclusion that you have come to which is that he faces the strong possibility of torture but why isn't it also possible to read this record the way the b i read it and that is to not require a conclusion that he would be tortured well your honor hearing dr dick meeting came from u s c his curriculum v t s part of the administrative record is one of the foremost authorities on the middle east and he said he had a the expectation is if they don't ask the government and if the government doesn't wish to tell him as soon as doctored as soon as mr quite a media arrives in syria that fact will become known i don't think that there is any doubt that the government of syria will know who he is and why he's being returned i mean a person doesn't go back to syria after twenty eight years with the u s asking for travel documents for up without him being sure about syria that was correct but the expert also didn't know about escorting there were as i recall there was no testimony from the expert that a person is escorted back to syria right but i don't think that the escorting is the key issue the fact that he's going to be returned because this involved a large sum of money because it was a well publicized case because mr quite as a christian going back to a very strong muslim country because of the problems  syrians having levanon i mean there's just too many coincidences that are going to put him in a very bad situation should he be returned is there anything that the government could provide in exact five years after h relief from the immigration service he applied to become a citizen that's correct that's different than for example asking for a hearing under the statute of duty in the mandatory duty on the government within a particular time on an application for naturalization ok when you apply for any form of relief there is no timeframe when you apply for citizenship there is a provision which says that after one hundred twenty days from provided nothing he then hired an attorney who made inquiries on his behalf he was informed by the immigration and naturalization service at that time that his file had been lost but found and that he would be sworn in within a brief period of time everything he was entitled to do he was required to do he never would require for one single of piece of evidence that he didn't supply his case was a venture we approved as it would have should have been within one hundred twenty days his children were would have thank you but you have about half a minute when our rebuttal time fans will hear now from the government is the burden of proof not is this record compel reversal ministry to file for the record contest that's relevant to the question of whether he's subject to torture when he returns to syria as i see it of three things expert gave very specific testimony about what's to be expected in syria the sheriff's officer had never dealt with syria on his testimony about what happened since all filter through with normally and usually and most of the time and someone there is there is nothing that mice s  the opposing testimony how many from the government doesn't seem to need it i mean it doesn't seem to be contradicting actually what mr technology instead seem to be about something else and it wasn't very all that mr poe you imagine would be subject to is more than likely not to be subject to torture or that someone in this situation is the fact that they said before there's a series of assumptions that may happen it could happen it could evidence compels the opposite conclusion than that found by the immigration judge that is just simply not right here we're not here we evaluate ing this and seeing if well the very same evidence i might think differently that simply is not released so being detained means nothing other than he will be processed but he may be questioned that is all i have to say that he's going to be processed and questioned equates to showing that sequence where the expert says i can bet on the i would bet on the fact that he'd be detained and in syria just being detained is the same thing as being torture but the torture through what your honor for for the for the sport of it for the heck of it  there's no i well you seem to say that anybody who is detained would be tortured that that's just what happens to people who are detained and that's just overbroad there needs to be some sort of nexus through to the situation arrested and if he is arrested that standing here in this room now is not meeting his burden of showing that the record compels are showing that this is going to happen or that is more likely than not that happened your hon any effort to identify and another country to which he could be deported that would take him where he would not himself argue that he would be tortured lebannon or or some other country in that part of the  world anybody could take him i come to this matter later on and i apologize i don't have any information in that regard i can look into that and similarly you know are somewhat summerlee i mean in this trying to mean that there is a lot of very vague testimony about what happened but it's would seem united states that that when you deport him you would do x y and z instead of normally sometimes usually much most of the time that is that is sent him at a time when it wouldn't be he wouldn't be a scorner and they wouldn't know when he was writing a honor i'm sure that reasonable arrangements can be made i have no personal knowledge of that i assume that much of the developed world does right there that that is of interest to syria that it has reason or jurisdiction to prosecute somebody for conduct that took place twenty years ago in the united states zero evidence of that that the notion that this is on the present government tortures i absolutely correct they torture people for no reason there is no human rights in syria the country is an axis of evil by president bush is right now but he just less than two weeks ago told them to stay out of lebanon that we do not accept your arguments about a stop will have citizenship that he is a part of all there's no evidence of torture or potential torture in other countries in that part of the world or correct there's nothing to prevent it but again the government would have to have a reason to get into that their country if you call a third country when this man has a syrian citizenship has been convicted of an aggravated felony by everybody standards and you ask a third country to take him what reason would they have to take he's not a national of their country but i think the stoppel argument is a very strong argument especially in light of