we should take testimony members from my anyone wishing to provide comments on those items or ten days for today's meeting when your name is co pays come forward if you are in the chambers teach your name your organization if you represent one of the item you're speaking on and then your three minutes to share your comments will assist you with your time with a lighting system on the podium green means speak yellow means you have thirty seconds in green stuff and we do not allow india to a minute for conclusions in this committee ok with that we shall ask for testimony and this morning our first my community correctional center which is to work at a law how stars in the molly community to provide hope to people with substance abuse addictions by providing the treatment and skills needed to recapture their better selves  triple see her directly benefited by utilizing a lot house services of treatment and available clean and sober housing as many as eighty to ninety percent of the inmates that i worked with in my twenty plus career years at  continuum of services that allows those in recovery to continue receiving stepdown levels of care over an extended period of time with staff that are skilled and effective in assisting clients to achieve and  a lot house continues to be a collaborative park or two other mohit in choosing giving individuals and families across my county the substance abuse services needed in their times of hardship and in closing i reiterate my support for a l house in this continuous effort people to the proven record of effective service to those that are struggling with addiction for low houses committed to have children services and genuinely cares about the my community is funding for much needed transitional housing will make a positive difference in the success of maui citizens flicked it by addiction i hope that you are seriously consider their application for this funding thank you thank you receive a round of i need to have you  well as myself as an individual thank you so much for stealing the members any questions for mr hirano miska bello thank you chair thank you for being here mr here ron and the work that you do in regards to things that you might experience has been is if i can use an example to milan recovery center or it was keys back in the ninety's early two thousand that we would have women that are  recovery center and that went on i believe for approximately eighteen months and it was a treatment based program where people would also not only have their children with them here to visiting department and the state supported you in similar efforts did you come in before this committee this morning or department modernly are including things like workforce development domestic violence but they're all in sub contracting out to services that are already here molly so my experience has been that the maui community is really the support of all the people that are we entering back into the community although we are tasked to we meaning the state  is tasked with supposedly doing this process we cannot do it alone and sort through out my years really very fortunate that molly has come to to our door so the bottom line is your department and the state has not something that we live in and that to me is the state not doing its job and i would ask that you talk to a department in the legislature to give you the sufficient resources that this need to provide your department with to do your job we can help supplement but do not as the county to do the state's job in funding that it will not get support from people like me any other questions thank you so much for your presence the beneficiaries of this project will be low income single adults that are participating in or of recently completed intensive subsidies treatment to require additional support case management to facilitate long term recovery from alcohol or drugs or drug addiction blow has extensive experience in operating this kind of housing program as we along with our partner agency malema and recovery center currently manages over sixty clean and sober beds in five separate locations because we have a steady stream of men and women completing residential treatment or who are participating in the drug program the waiting list for clean and sober support housing is continuous the current program is largely self sustaining through program fees charge of the participants however many individuals cannot afford even the modest cost of sharing rental housing so acquiring a property free and clear of any debt service alone else will be better able to serve very low income persons who would otherwise be homeless or perhaps and other high risk situations where the likelihood of relapse is much greater we have surveyed the current housing market are confident that with the additional hundred fifty thousand dollars committed to this project by our board of directors and fund raising we will be able to purchase and if need be to renovate at least a three bedroom two bath house for sixteen hundred or more square feet  and which can house up to five unrelated persons we're also hopeful as we have in the past we might be able to get a house and ohana it so that we could even possibly serve up to nine or ten people concurrently  this number may appear small but over time many individuals will be assisted on the road to recovery due to turnover is the average length of stay is expected to be six months a transitional period while the plan is this is in finding more permanent housing  model of clean and sober housing is well established we refine policies and procedures house rules etc that prohibit the use of alcohol really good drugs by residents case managers assigned to check in with residents as frequently as needed and residents are required to be participating actively in appropriate level of treatment given the time i'll stop there and thank you for this opportunity to address and ask for yours support of this critically needed resource for our item up before the committee so at this point though i have any questions you have occasion of testimony presented these make yourself known at this thing i am no questions but again you  my six month stay there i was able to afford my own housing which i'm currently renting right on my own i work full time this credit to your perseverance and so there's a lot houses a program how did you get that housing after six months that you just had good luck and you found it on your own or were there someone who helped assist you or another agency because i find that your and people believing in you gave me the courage to  good for you we thank you very happy for you congratulations on the good job done thank you any questions for the gentleman every now and we thank you very much for being here mr things really jr thank you so much have a great day thank you you too thank you mr an end is anyone objections we show close testimony for today's meeting yes thank you so ordered ok let's move to the first i don't please members may direct you to be if thirty eight dish  forty this is an amendment to the fiscal year two thousand and sixteen budget i will ask the department of police if they would come in join us please regarding this specific requests yet please please come come during us the tenet in your your counsellor please come joining us to join us right by mr barnes thank you thank you for being through working with my administration to review and identify possible ways to help enhance our current juvenile programs like boy positive outreach innovations and new programs like college that use an innovative whole family approach to dealing with at risk juveniles that are potentially or potentially could be caught up in the juvenile justice system one of the ideas was to find funding for the establishment of a nonprofit they could utilize to assist in funding of our juvenile programs in areas that are not covered in our current budget nor through the steps grants like funds that we receive from the office of youth services to pay for point kahlo this new dawn profit school i hope will be in support of efforts to enhance the worthwhile programs to keep them running well into the future it also provides important mechanism that once established can be independent of the my police department so that there are no issues that could be brought up that conflict with the partner its policies  last few months back i saw that a cns was advertising applicants applications for grants to organizations to help fund programs that had a focus on helping children and family of the children family of our community i'm very grateful to cns as they had the vision to provide the funding for this idea with their unfortunate exit from the sugar cane business that in many ways has helped to build up our county for generations i hope that there will be part of their legacy to help the children and family of our community my police department's criminal or juvenile crime prevention division stands at the forefront of the juvenile justice system we know that we are not the only organization that wants to help children of our community and we also know that we can't do it alone by forming this nonprofit we feel that we could that this would be an excellent vehicle for local business community and private citizens to contribute so they can be part of helping at risk kids at this crest of a grassroots level so it hasn't been created in the in the letter from them where they are notifying you have no word they're saying we need your id for your nonprofit yeah that is something that we're trying to clarify and as such that  be they went and gave us the the grant because they know that with the my police department they have a program that's already in place that's been around for most twenty years i think they they really wanted to you know just you know take the chance on us in a sense that it's it might be a new nonprofit or at least going into that direction but it's not something that's that won't have any direction and won't have any goals to help the kids so what stage is the formation of this nonprofit basically it's in the once we get the funds the next step is to basically put it together and  this letter of congratulations so i just ran out here in the line of questioning from his base too and when i mean like the thought you had a nonprofit status already in order to gra this to you and now you're still in the process of trying to create that is what i'm hearing well as i said it wasn't something that we didn't disclose to them we in the application we mentioned that it was to develop the nonprofit they there are parts in the application that basically says that we are an organization that works with kids but we're not a nonprofit where you know we're a government entity we're not allowed to do certain things and basically again them taking a chance on us to help build something that would be a legacy for them to assist in what we're doing already would be a great thing and i'm hoping to have that  giving policy they have given and continue to give to governments as well as non profits and i think the sentence in the letter says a nonprofit program should also provide applicable tax i d but since they didn't give it to a nonprofit expenditure allowed gift from the foundations and the community given from the corporation to government as well because the county is nonprofit and we're not a five one c three entity but we are  is from the foundation standpoint considered to be eligible for for grants from them so that they have seen that in the past the formation of a separate nonprofit for  the other activities is a different function from necessarily from the acceptance of this grant may spur the creation of that and you know i haven't evaluated if it's a good idea to do or not but it mr chair i have a question kind of for you or for the entity as the committee as a whole you know it's a great that we got this three thousand dollars grant and i'm not sure if it's a charter provision that we have to accept any and all grants but we're spending way more than three thousand dollars to accept this grant and i was wondering if there's something we could do to is it ordinance that we can up that limit or is the committee even willing to consider what they're doing nation but did you ask them whether they could i know that you guys have organizations that are nonprofits some of the for even man or some of the don't you are affiliated the nonprofit status and just looking at the donor side because they're looking probably for some deductions on the part of it for tax purposes our i don't see the advantage of you know just as a seen as donating money without having any other again i'm really grateful that they that they did see their vision in it and whether or not it's something i can go ahead and work with them one that i mean just to help them their side of it on the tax when i have a couple other officers actually do fund fall under my command we're currently not completely filled with all the positions ideally i would love to have every s r o in all the schools that we can visit with industry thousand thank you very much and i don't want to give anybody the idea that i'm not in support of programs that help our kids stay out of trouble because there's really really important neither you get them now or you'll get them later in your  professional capacity which i know you don't want and none of us want but i wear another hat and that head of course is a lot of experience in a number field world and i'm just wondering you know we've had all these meetings we've had all these seminars we've sat around for hours trying to figure out how to better fund and use the money that is set aside for human services because that demand gets bigger and bigger and bigger and one of the ideas that always comes up is consolidation and every time i hear somebody wants to start another nonprofit a good little nervous because what it means is another administration another in another person coming here for grants so i just want to ask was there any thought about maybe partnering with an existing program with it yes actually we do have connections with friends of the soldiers justice center who is actually a nonprofit that's helped us with our other programs to find things that aren't covered under grants and but again like you said there's so many different non profits what are their goals one of the directions that they would like to take and are we taking from them beyond what we would like to hope would be our goal is to help the kids so as such i'd like to see that to form a nonprofit for us would be ideal in a sense that they would know and we would be able to let them know what we actually need and and having people on the ward that have that same direction would be something positive thank you very much lieutenant i have heard it over and over and i've used it myself our goals are unique and we have a separate purpose but what i'm thinking about chair is what we're dealing with with costs and you can have an umbrella organization we're hoping to program underneath it that you know you don't have to create a nonprofit create the executive director of all that so it's something to think about you know yes everybody wants to start a nonprofit but then we deal with the result of that absolutely misplace thank you very much and please don't get me wrong it's just that i think in the and haven't discussed with the lieutenant his desires to start a nonprofit if it was it was created because of the need to go after additional revenues but under section one seventy c one of the internal revenue code  charitable contributions to government to units are tax deductible and they're made for public purposes so there's no need for us to start a nonprofit to accept these monies and it would just continue in existence for when it has been operating their project boy and another project color so i'll have further discussion of the department thank you and other questions members if not the cherries open to  mr rumbling i thank you very much for your presence we appreciate your assistance this morning with us chief to come forward we will bring up thirty eight thirty eight thirty public safety it's a weiss commander mobile fire pump testing unit and pumper truck baez give us any opening comments on this i don't think mr chair so the request before you this morning is to amend the fisker sixteen budget for the department of fire and public safety under their operations program a category c for equipment and this is to fund a wise draft commander or for those of you who don't remember that discussion but it is basically a pump tester the tests the pumps of the fire department's vehicles so the bids went out the council funded one hundred thousand dollars during the budget process  basis this allows the safety process of high pressure water testing and it is we're hoping to get it to the outer islands as well because it has effects affects those pumpers as well if you look at the price that we had for the quote initially we requested one hundred twenty five thousand dollars the bid came back at just under one one hundred twenty thousand dollars and that is because we eliminated the training portion of that as well as a spare tire and other equipment and that brought it down to that price that we have before you and we're able to eliminate the training because we had one individual that actually two individuals that were trained but we wanted to upgrade our whole mechanics stuff to be able to provide  the training for them so that they were able to utilize that machine properly but we have two people that are trained now and we're going to move forward with that to cut back on some cost thank you thank you chief so chief this is a you plan to take this to all of the stations throughout the county that this is some some of the apparatus the pumpers will come in to call and in some cases will and on the off island we utilize a makeshift catchment system which is very dangerous and we use a dump truck from public works to research because it has to actually pump the g p m the gallons per minute for a set amount of time in order to be certified so we you know made it happen it's not the proper way of getting it done and we just try to become more safe an ac process ok very good and questioned by the chair in regards of the state did they currently have such equipment no they do not if they did we'd probably try to borrow  too we can rent that to them right when they want to start but we haven't come to the idea that's i'm not sure if it's epic a bill to their pumpers aircraft pumps because sometimes they pump in excess of two thousand gallons which is slightly different than what we do ok so in in the budget last year you guys put in one twenty five right yesterday and i don't remember in our discussions why it went down to one hundred i guess mr chair that was because it sounds like they're pretty accurate on their estimates i'm very pleased with their numbers right now if there's no other questions for the cio i think the chief did a great job because i support the chiefs request so members the chair is open to a come in to recommend to council presage on first reading the order to print total operating appropriations and total procreation is offering me capital improvement projects department of finance accounts program we have correspondents dated february fifth we have a bill for an ordinance from the of the department of finance the request is for a total of eighty five thousand dollars twenty thousand dollars to cover and to speed over time staff they're going to be incurring over the next few months to upgrade the payroll system and sixty five thousand dollars because they have a operational shortfall in their their program this year we have provided in our transmitter also a letter dated january twenty first from direct any comments or thank you mr chairman and members of the committee but first of all before i go on on this i want to thank the budget office for doing this very expeditious as well as your office as the budget director emphasizes earlier twenty thousand will be for the account for the work on the payroll system that we have and sixty five thousand the sixty five enough to retain the amount of funding that we supposed to have a d p so that is still an a t p requirement mr chair so i'm here requesting it back so that we'll be able to  thousand requests first which is the premium pay and then we that will move into the sixty five requests from the director mr white questions the first part the twenty th  we have got a free upgrade from the payroll system because we have extended our payroll until twenty eighteen we have looked at looking do the upgrade without cost but in the implementation of that we will be able to we will incur a lot of overtime to implement that requests especially now that we have a account in the b account is more strict for us to adhere to that particular requirements ok so this amendment is one time things and nearly we know when the kaffir is going to come up we know when certain things will come up because it's either by code or by a regular process especially regarding real property requirements and so the approach this in a better way either by changing personnel or something but i'm going to talk to the director see how we can deal with this request because certain things again like i said that we do annually air read the same time we should be prepared we should be able to schedule accordingly so i'll be working with the director to see if we can come up with some considerations for the upcoming budget but nonetheless for this component i am going to support his twenty thousand dollars requests this one danger you know anything on the twenty thousand if i will move to the sixty five police department and we were able to get it to them it took some time to do it but again working with a d p when we have a changes as far as the rules of our payroll  they will request some payment for it to aging and we are looking at going into one solution which is the newer version of our financial system and right now mr chair is we can we do not have the technical support that we used to have with regards to the i fess system that we  and aspired of our request for the for the fiscal year seventeen budget is still to go to a one solution which is i describe discuss with you standing is based on this system that was developed twenty two years ago basically it's been in place the base of it's been in place since one thousand nine hundred four and the cha you know developed in maintained in and utilized basically since that time it's created some challenges when we wanted her and certain types reports the financial systems analyst sitting in the room over there has to basically put her hair trying to figure out how the chart of accounts you know was created you know with these index codes subject know object level activity levels you know we've got so sorry long story short is that we need to look at our business process r we've been we've developed our current business process based on you know the system has been in place for twenty two years and that's how finance accounts that's what we want to look at is that is that the best way to operate should we be doing things differently or should we be you know because we can just buy a system you know to this new one solution and have it overlay what we're doing now but a better idea is to look at our business processes to see if this is something that you know should we move this process forward to a new system or should we change the process itself creates more efficiencies create better opportunities to provide you know good information not just for  based information but for management based information to that one of the i think a challenging the current system is that it's been it's been developed with the main mindset of producing the  so from a management perspective it's sometimes difficult for us to pull reports out that we need to evaluate properly the best to the actual operations of a certain section or department  so to overcome those challenges to meet both of those requirements of producing the kaffir and having a better management tool we want to look at our business processes themselves and see where those can be changed and those can be modified in hopefully become more efficient effective and responsive within our accounting system itself thank you my recollections of you there was a request to upgrade ifas to one solution last year are we going to and it sounds like you're making that same request again budget this year will this be p r be completed by the time  to upgrade anyway i don't think that that sort of dark dark slug mentioned is that the current life is seven i is at the end of its useful life cycle it's at the end of its supported cycle as well sun gard doesn't support life is seven i anymore it's got a current software system and we've been able to get third party support but the actual base system sun guard will no longer support so that the need to upgrade ifas is existant with whether or not we go through a business process review a business process review will help us with the implementation of a knife is upgrade because then we'll be able to review you know what needs to be changed replace the system yet we have looked at a couple of different systems and continue to look at those differences terms before we decide on a sole source you know just a strict software upgrade from sun guard you know the provider for our system there's significant advantages to using the same provider you know if we don't have a significant amount of changes in our business processes then it'll be very simple one of the big challenges we had with any data going back before before one thousand nine hundred four and then when there was a consolidation  early to thousands is that the data and became no longer available we couldn't even print reports out that made any sense because everything had just been collapsed in you know replaced so that a chart of accounts could be created  that's one big factor we're going to be looking at in a in a system upgrade is you know how compatible will it be so that we can utilize our subsist i'm to do reports and  right now we're leaning towards you know utilizing one solution and that would be a sole source purchase but there are there are also add ons that we can and we're looking at for dashboard areas also that maybe impact for a nancy which is the billions in receiving so i'm looking at possibly one provider doing multiple departments requirements including water and just said to see if they make sense for us to do some consolidation you sort of allow each department to go on its own merry way so that's something i'm going to approach this working with our directors and see if we can come up with some  other ways to approach that and ending requests for more money members any other questions from the sixty for eight thousand as requested by mr and many of the fiscal year two thousand and sixteen budget for the county of my we it's pertains to estimated revenues department of finance accounts program total operating appropriations and total appropriations operating in capital improvement projects until all staff to make any non substantive revisions so moved her second emotion by mr white's and get it by mr coach any further discussion members process began on june thirtieth two thousand and fifteen with the workshop conducted by the housing division nine organizations attended the workshop the workshop is provided to review the our p and application process as well as  dress any questions public notices for the application process were published on july fifth and twelve twenty fifteen the r f p application process officially commenced on july thirteenth with the deadline of august fourteenth nine applications were received a three member scoring committee were selected and the committee reviewed and scored the applications based on the housing divisions scoring system which includes housing need clearly describes a need for their type of project program specialized experience of the organization project readiness their average which takes into consideration the percentage of county funds being used funding agencies and projects are commended for finding in their twenty sixteen fiscal year and your plan include for the harlem a whole lot of our little project of thirty eight senior rentals of country for two million five hundred thousand dollars the arc of maui for the arc of a group home rehabilitation project encompassing approximately forty six special needs homes in the amount of five hundred eighty thousand eight hundred fifty nine dollars a lower house for the lower house clean and sober acquisition to project in the amount of four hundred fifty dollars fab mac homes for the fab mac affordable housing project for the acquisition and construction of three homes for four hundred fifty thousand dollars i know lani pacific l l c for the project that includes thirty housing applicants to come forward if they meet the criteria and put in application for funding as you know we have needs across the line with a for sale rental and special needs senior housing so  we were definitely encouraged by the amount of applications received and the diversity of which of the needs that they met so from that point of view we try to be proactive do outreach in trying to get were allocated approximately five million dollars a year to this particular fund we want to touch as many areas as we can so we're pleased again with the diversity of the applications that were received to try and meet all the needs of my co y all the previous approvals we gave where those projects it completed half completed have done the pyramid recently we submitted an update that has not closed out is the harbor lites project that was under habitat for humanity they right it is the problem is they bought properties from foreclosure at harbor lights and then we have them and look to sell them and they had problems getting clear title to about half of the projects to the tax liens they've almost worked their way through litigation and they only have two more the left to sell the families that are going to purchase them are currently and are renting the units until such time as you know clear title is received and they can officially transfer the sale of the property to them is those over into money as did the crawley pain good toward the purchase i believe they're  also the special experience of the organization and the type of project that they are recommending project readiness is crucial because we've gotten in trouble in the past where we will provide funding to a project that is not as close as it should have been to moving forward and fuzzing it tied up and they end up in a come back to us repeatedly that to move the project along so we want to make sure that they've leveraged the necessary funding or they fundraise for it so that  they've gotten it from a bank if it's if it's a larger project so that we know that our contribution is going to be well leveraged with committed funds to ensure that the project is going to happen and move forward so those are the crucial elements question because it relates to two of the projects my concern is that we're putting in about one point five million dollars towards solar panels and the i thought the affordable housing fun was to provide for homes or downpayment assistance or other assistance other than adding solar panels to homes i understand and i have no problem with solar panels but i don't know that the affordable housing might be the the method of that so that's my concern in general and then when we get to the projects of bringing it up again thank you mr hu you know you have a comment that this time thank you chair  generally speaking the fund is for the provision protection expansion of affordable housing and suitable living environments for residents so these general additions to a project or home probably fit within the purpose of the fun thank you and mr i understand that it's if yeah i could be stretching but at least it's my thought that the whole affordable housing fun was for unisys thing people units and you know we have been discussing the down payment assistance for two hundred fifty k they help fifteen people that's different you know that's we haven't supported that last couple of terms but if you go one point five million that can help if you do downpayment assistance that can help a thousand families i'm doing the math right  will thank you karen as an aside it's not just a dish into existing homes this is part of these homes have been constructed yet so it's part of the construction process they'll be added on to newly built homes so it's not thirty three existing homes that will have power is added on that thank you thank you very much for the questions on this at this time mr white not a question i just have the same concern that mr couch had when i was looking at this yesterday it just struck me that this is kind of like a lottery win if we're providing a full frontal attack system fourth in the kind of probably project for thirty three homes that means that for thirty those lucky thirty three we are providing an opportunity to avoid most of your electric bill for the next thirty years or so and i  program in place that the two that he works with the county cooperatively and i believe we've put a couple of hundreds of thousands of dollars in it i don't know why i would consider this one in th basically just explain this is very unusual but i have not personally seen it during my tenure here and it's up to this body to decide and i'm hearing some questions also even as i did too with this particular application although their reasoning and justification was so they can keep the units affordable this will help assist the cost in and you know the past down to the purchaser would be that they can keep it so that was their justification which ok i understand but again it's it's a very unusual ask from this fund in particular to for us to address so i'm looking for a different their discussion chair i just wanted to put that out there explain for you know difficult to get affordable homes especially in this particular area was that we we viewed it as a really good opportunity and it helps the thirty three owners again maintain the properties and but with the faulty it system installed you know it keeps the costs down with regards to to their utilities and it's just an added benefit to them as well as assisting getting this is one hundred percent affordable project just getting it completed so we supported it based the first one we would ask you to bring up is the arc of my life hundred eighty thousand eight hundred fifty dollars if you have another comments you want to share with us just in regard to a couple of the comments that have been made in just a few minutes ago i can speak to the portion in in our application regarding photovoltaic as a part of the renovation overall renovation of our homes here in our kamali we've heard these homes have existed for a number of years and have provided services to individuals with developmental and a wide variety of special needs here in we county our intent was to provide an overall renovation to continue to make sure that these homes can be maintained as affordable housing in the truest sense the photovoltaic upgrades were ones that we looked at as an opportunity for us to  minimize our overhead to make sure that you know every dollar we can save on expenditures as another dollar we can put towards the care of our clients just a a as an average jane you will expenditure for our electric bills in our in the homes that are represented here here we spend anywhere between forty and fifty thousand dollars per year in electric bills so you can see where  photoplay take panels would allow us to redirect those funds to you know staff training to providing other opportunities for clients that wouldn't otherwise be there and a lot of this was repaid by electrical saving is that still available or is that not available you know why are we having to put out all this money my understanding is the fun still exist ok thank you and i am a great supporter of our kamali and i like the work you do and i think it's really important because we have a lot of people with special needs who need a place to live but i do you know if we can find another way to take care of that the gentleman mentioned some would take the improvements is this is that what the money's being used for mr chair council members of these would be new systems we don't currently have a take systems on any of our homes what this would all be new ok so that's that's specifically in regards to the rehabilitation and off site improvements that's what you're talking about correct for our six homes that we currently  it's broken down in the budget it's roughly fifty percent for the p v systems and the other fifty percent is for the renovation of the homes as far as kitchen grades ok i think you know now i can i can see what that looks like it's actually three hundred twenty eight thousand of the total yes for the photovoltaic have you gotten agreements with me co i mean they're ok with you putting it because i know there have been issues with mico not doing agreements anymore but we have submitted all of the necessary necessary applications and are in that waiting process that makes you go through so we're are in the queue at this point in time so we're not you're not guaranteed an agreement then because i was my understanding is the p c put a stop to the at least the net metering portion and i think now that they're coming back with a much reason why we won't be approved we haven't been given any feedback that would say we that our homes are fall outside of you know any type of approval process it's just a function of  you know when we get approval but everything it's been submitted and we're just waiting and mr you mentioned it when you've spent about fifty thousand a year on electricity that's in total in all the homes correct and so you folks i mean the i the age of the homes kind of startled me because to put on p v you need to have a very sound foundation and structure and so that has all been looked into sufficient for the photovoltaic ok all right very good and so the fifty thousand dollar total total utility bill that is for your twenty nine units would you total across  aging in their home in a way who is in the we should be up and running with at home with the residential clients it's already been operating as a day program but the residential clients will be starting within a matter of a month or two in your piece for of use the middle be asking us to help pay for that system air conditioning i find it interesting since the one for upgrades in the renovation in the homes would be addressing some of the homes like the new peeling home where the louvered windows may be coming out and different higher efficiency windows would be going in as well residence or tenants of this they qualify for section eight yes they do all of them have section eight vouchers mr chair council members not all of them to we have made applications when the have sex need applications or approvals at this time so they have enough french or where we thought to secure their own requirements the financial requirements we were saved funding through the department of health need the questions members on this project mr coach think you missed having done the math i did in my head it was a little off so i did it on a calculator and it worked  if if i do the math here six homes fifty thousand for fifty thousand divided by say six divided by twelve is about seven hundred dollars a month per home for electricity that's awfully high thousand per year on average but are the kinds of live in our homes effectively or there's considered intermediate care facilities which are kind of in layman's terms almost  equivalent to nursing home facilities in terms of the level of care within a residential neighborhood which means that they require twenty four hour staffing they require staff to be in the home with the clients and to provide services at a much higher level so not only do you have the five clients but you have the you know probably and any given day five to seven staff that are coming  going each of the homes you know unfortunately there are no they weren't built with the most efficient systems in place for things like air conditioning they have commercial usages in terms of food service  so the number of you know the tapes of kitchen where interior laundry alone is like a small you know nursing home essentially so those types of things just calculations and whatnot and is it going to eliminate your electric bill as in the eighteen dollars charge a month or whatever they're going to charge next yes mr chair council members so what we did in terms of taking a look at that is we brought in three  three solar companies and had them each do an analysis and effectively what they did is it came out and they looked at the energy bills and then they looked at the homes and did their own calculations and then we took the average of those three and that's how we came up with what you see in our proposal and they were all pretty close to each other so we felt fairly comfortable with the numbers that they were representative of what are you need for with the solar panels so and if this were to happen it would be about a ten eleven year payback  bring up project number two operations themselves if they have any questions specific to how fab back home with constructs builds designs and we will do our best to address a of the questions that you might have because they do not have a total overall understanding of our the a hi i'm francine fernandez and i'm really just here to address any questions you have only hope that we can answer and i'm truly morgan i take care of all the construction side deliveries of the home and the assembly of all the homes about any questions for because research people think it's here thank you for being here so i know that this application is to purchase land or to put a down payment for purchase a plan it's actually going to be put towards the purchase of the land and then the home together so discount the total cost so the land is available for purchase or is it purchased o radio as you know or do you have your infrastructure and everything else as well as necessary and title meant we haven't purchased any of and yet now we are in that we have in the past purchased land and put homes on it and put them for sell but we don't have any land right now there were and that we purchased for this project so how did you come up with the figure as if there are no lessons available for purchase right now are you still shopping for the real estate we are looking for the real estate we have actually purchased land in the past so we use that as a comparison with putting our homes on it to keep it in the to be able to make it affordable specific parcels that you're working out or yes we do we are working with the realtor with and she does look for land for us and we got there and look at it to see if our homes can get there and if it will be affordable to me what we're trying original question in my first question to do was to create cheerio and you know as we compare the various projects and we look at them like i don't know how much we in the process is he was given to how many homes will be created and whole many people will be put in housing and that's you know each project of course has its own merits and i have i understand what unfortunately never scored high enough to be recommended for funding however we have gotten opportunities to meet with them to see their product we recommended that the kind of down scale of what they're looking to do because i think this is a very fascinating means of providing affordable housing if it works because obviously you're not going to be able to buy three lots for fortune fifty thousand with the combination of their  i mean the recommended for the keep was small they did this growing committee acknowledged you know basically being able to get three of portable homes for you know four inch of the fifty thousand dollar investment based on the prefab design and we were all in support of that process and hope that you know it's efficient that it works and that maybe this is a means that we can use as a path to the future housing development thank you so you kind of looking at this is some kind of a demonstration project know we wanted to keep keep it on a manageable scale to begin with something reasonable reasonable investment that we could make sure the return was was adequate and of the process was efficient but you know in my mind and you know i i don't i hate to do you're confiding in but it's not shovel ready we just got a comment from habitat were at the time they applied they weren't now they are shovel ready they would like to be back on the list so i guess to address the readiness factor for this particular thank you member cochran for the question you have basically with regards to readiness this is kind of a catch twenty two it's hard for the developer owner to buy the land if they don't have assurance that the money is going to come through for you know the subsidy is going to come through so they have there are fields out there they're working diligently with the realtor but they can't really commit to the purchase unless they know that our funding subsidy is going to be them to utilize or is it because you had to spend the spend down so i could just sort of mr will go if there is but if you want to place one in the ground that is something we can definitely consider doing but i'm not sure if there's a time limit they have in order to occupancy i guess within three years you normally complete your projects in that time frame our projects are done in four to six months so once we acquire the land and we have done that in the past and we actually have two homes right now one  and like going one in polani that is a reaching completion but we purchase the land we order the home the home is here within sixty days i mean it takes our crew about another sixty days to complete it and go through the process of getting it done and then it's moving ready when the  pretty high prices still even with the subsidy as mr carter says is fairly instant housing which is kind of nice a question i have is are there any deed restrictions are  required to keep keep it out or affordable they can have to can't sell within so many years or is it automatically they can start next year and make money you know i was involved in some of the meetings where they did discuss they are going to put a deed restrictions in deed restrictions ok are those going to be required by us or that's just their program thank you thank you mr coach and i still have the same questions as miss bice and miss cochran about i mean this is a group again they do great work but no holly places like naleo maui you put that funding into there that's in perpetuity those homes are affordable so it would like to know what the justification was now especially since i believe there's they're looking at ten or twelve that they need to do right away too and they have the land i believe they have the land and whatnot so against it i guess it's the readiness and you know scoring how that works and that's not their issue so when when you come when we discuss it with the army thank you for any specific questions really tackling the problem we're kind of like limping along three units for units here and for me where we're at a point where without this is the only tax basically that texas wealth and i will be having the university of for a center for continued labor education to provide us with some recommendations on how to approach r because i can't afford this subsidy we already subsidize the egg we're going to subsidize off or we go i mean when do we say what do we not subsidize thirty three homes department any opening comments parcel on the west side that were developing thirty three one hundred percent of fordable home very attractive views of the golf course views of the resort and we're pretty proud of this project and we hope to break ground by a profile between april first and may first that's our goal right now to decision to go for the grant was mainly because we thought that if we could make it more affordable with the help of the housing fund the homeowners could enjoy a home at a price that they could live in and hopefully perpetually or for a majority of their lives we're following the ordinance to its letter with regards to the buyback period and everything else that's entailed as part of that ordinance we're not asking for any special requests but we just thought that says the state and the county has an initiative to go green within the next thirty years or so that this would be a project where we could start sandy do or shell who is also working with us as part of our group and howard senior most of you know is also a consultant to my affordable we will take the plans from these two on this project and utilize them for the project on the south side currently looking at and working with a couple landowners on the west side for additional parcels to develop hopefully in the next two years another one hundred fifty homes on the west side we are not our lenders home street bank they've done a really good job by our shop for us and we continue to work with them again my family is from the west side i'd like to see us provide housing on the west side because that seems to be and is the biggest issue for cars from this cochran's district not to mention other districts in the county but the west side is very difficult right now rents are go but again get away from that that's what we're here for we're trying to keep the cost of for the homeowner within reason prices that they are they're looking to rate these as definitely unheard of in west maui so definitely appreciate that appreciate that and again as we mentioned earlier in regards to photovoltaics and being asked of through this fund we all have sort of that question mark like ok but as i mentioned earlier to the justification applicants mentioned to questions i think everything is in their application as to where their prices are going to range how many units are going to be provided and things of that nature and again i think the area what surrounding this are not these type of prices homes you know you've got a very high high end so what a nice place for people to have an affordable set up i guess so to speak in this area i did notice that the highway is directly below all those believe the bushes are obstructing it but the sound does carry my mention that at our site inspection and they will be looking into  you know putting in hopefully some sound you know barriers to assist with the units and what have you overall it's a good area i'd like to also hopefully they're going to speak to possibly real utilizing recycled water because the golf courses are using are one currently and i know we do have a rule in place seen that if you're within so many feet of lines that you are to tap into those lines and utilize five seventy nine for the sizes that would include the subsidy for the p v that's correct yes if the p v didn't if for some reason the p v wasn't done about twenty seven thousand ish to the room probably not add any more pricing as far as hiking the prices of the homes we would keep the price of words that are civil work is our largest expense because we're going to be developing basically that areas for iraq so that's our biggest expense we are going with solar water heaters we're trying to make the homes as green as possible we really are trying to set a template for affordable housing to be honest that's really what we're trying to do we're not trying to say anyone else is do something at that stand of what we really want to set the bar and if we do that and if we accomplish what we're working other question i had with the other group do you have an agreement with me go already or are you on their lives we are talking to me go sorry to interrupt we're talking when we call we have our electrical engineer  who is working with me call because we don't have our meter numbers they want to let us apply you know how that works right so we're we won't install any solar if we do get awarded the grant until probably late this year because we're looking at dissipating again april first me first civil war vertical construction probably about september and then run that vertical construction for about twelve months so to fourteen months so it'll be later in the year if we get to that point but once but i'd like to engineer we don't anticipate anything back from eagle probably for another three months just to be honest as far as  and you've heard our comments here you know it hundred eighty five thousand dollars could probably build for more homes three or four more homes right yes correct ok so i guess that's that's what we're trying to balance here and understand the need for photovoltaic and and to keep keep it green so that's something that we're going to have to weigh the only other thing that of concerns about affordable rentals versus affordable homes that are going to go will not become affordable after a certain amount of time whether it be five eight ten or twenty five years twenty five years i can i can live with a little bit but once that home gets out of affordability then we're back in the same situation we're in and so we're looking more towards either affordable rental or community land trust kind of thing where the home stay in  a four debility is there anything like that going to happen on these thirty three and oh you mention mr chair is a little bit out of the scope of this subject but he did mention that he's going to have more further  to take that into consideration on this yes we are we have the property there we're working on right now and there's two phases in that second phase of the property will be under pressure we're looking at one hundred percent and cracking all those rocks so you know in in my early time here that's all i hear is the need for happen it is beyond me that we have to have a subsidy from government and i think that's one of the approaches maybe government would have to sort of reduce the prices that we are we're v system the way you look at it as the the buyer the buyer of these homes well actually be having an immense savings towards what is a high cost for all of us with electricity costs and a possibility apply that for what's market i guess you know if that's  consideration is that kind of aside from your green concept which are plans is that something that you consider also in i guess  institutions for some reason and we've gone around with them on a couple occasions with that but you know we'll our goal is again to the beneficiary will be the home buyer and if we can help make it as story thank you or you know i i think it's exciting to have a project that looks to me to be relatively shovel ready although not quite yet in kind of early because everybody knows there's a major housing shortage on west maui so by and really don't have any questions i just want to thank you for taking the risk of putting yourself out there thank you thank you  first coming down and give him presenting i have a couple questions and this isn't a two a one h project right no it's not this is a two point one six or amend doing so that did you get some you know i'm assuming there was some exemptions that were allowed to you bill you know other than what is part of the ordinance sure we're building it as pretty much if any other market project other than whatever's afforded to us from the order that there is there a reason why you went that route instead as to why nature out you know like i said earlier we formed this company a little over a year ago to try and see if we can help satisfy and help the workforce housing issue here on maui for the volume and our goal was to stick with with the county instead of going for two a one in which we have zoning and stuff so we didn't need to go that route to begin with but that's where we want to be i mean if we had a proper there was maybe ag and we need some help getting zoning there maybe to an agent with a direction but right now you could be exempt from and and and maybe those monies could have gone to the solar systems are or but i understand so it's basically in a sense we're subsidizing a new project so to some degree i mean if we if we were the photovoltaic again we're not the beneficiary is going to be the homeowner but we are afforded some exemptions when it comes to you know certain things like building permits creating permits we are freezer or waive the reduce as one hundred percent affordable projects so those are some of the i would say if you call them subsidies that were allowed but were waved in some of those four thousand dollars of county money which in return that's going to satisfy one corporation's requirement for affordable housing to using our own money they could share the department through the affordable housing fun the application process that we put out annually we are in support of the project and the grammar committee asian it was recommended through the  scoring of the projects through the scoring committee so we're we're following the process that's outlined for us to address the r f p and we do support the project we understand your your  concerns but we're basically just following through with the are the process and putting the applications out for a committee action for your consideration so why should the county pay for private corporations requirements with regards to this if your project the merits of it again with regards to the affordable has a one hundred four you know percent affordable project the location of the property in definitely a high need area housing we felt that you know the merits justified and warranted the recommendation of the project for consideration by this body but we do again understand they based on the fact that they are one hundred percent affordable they are eligible for credits and they will be receiving credits for the law based on cooperation and what do they actually do with the county they owe twenty five percent is their requirement of the total number of for the p v would go to satisfy the twelve unit requirement for that while a in a project and that was just part of the affordable housing agreement i believe this crap was  and you know it is unfortunate that they're holding the whole hundred percent affordable in a very needed area for this type of project but your i share your same is our concern that you just stated to this department in regards asked finding the fulfillment for their credits their affordable workforce housing units and what have you so i don't understand why we do not like this i don't appreciate that we're doing it this we either i know or the project is slated the way lay my whole redemption center got kicked out because of it so i have that issue in west because of this corporation too so again it's unfortunate that we're sitting here questioning this hundred percent affordable i know that you know mr mister me and mr show how a you know a good place to have it in their heart to want to do the good  i think you should know the probably doesn't have any comments or defer to mr cunningham to address any questions this committee has thank you thank you mr bello thank you thank you for being here mr cunningham at the present time how many beds  are residential transitional as a unit so how you can find it i'm not sure is the units are bags that you provide  center we have roughly around sixty beds in about five or five or six different locations so with the purchase of this new residential acquisition it will provide how many beds well concurrently depends on what we're able to purchase but we're hoping let's say that we will be able to provided at least an additional eight beds maybe even more house and on it together which we have been successful in doing in the past and we have we have two three four situations like that actually we're well three situations where the house and ohana together and so each one qualifies as a single family dwelling for purposes of the code so you can have five hundred up to five unrelated people living there we have a forty eight bed residential treatment facility near moscow and at one time the the living stays the the residential stays of the link the stay tended to be somewhere in the range of seventy five plus days and over the last many years those number of days that have been approved by the funding sources have decreased and decreased over the last couple years the shift there's been a big shift in funding from state to contracting with insurance companies like him a say and ohana care and ph and so forth to pay for residential treatment so we've made a fairly successful transition for that so out of all of our forty eight beds eight of them are licensed crisis residential beds six of them are detox beds and thirty four i think that's the remainder are substance abuse treatment because of the the shorter stays now people who are like want to our lucky get forty five days out of an insurance company but usually it's thirty days and we're finding have found is just not you know sufficient amount of time so having these clean and sober housing beds and abel's us to provide a longer continuum of care so that the people are in treatment on it oh you understand that from your previous fractional background  us to work with people longer you heard the gentleman speak this morning about how important that transition time was for him so we'll be increasing it by you know more than ten percent of what we have presently and the waiting major chronic problems we have for homelessness and at the isis that we're facing today so i appreciate that the work that you do one more question chair so that there's sixty beds you talk about as up part of your  city b g for example to to purchase some of those and what we can do with them we frankly expect to use them in perpetuity for this purpose as long as there's a need for it sort of on the shelf answered your question said you have sixty beds try out the island yes and some are some are rental situation i see where the rental situations are very difficult you know for us to break even on that so we never really had to as an organization go into this area of clean and sober living we did it because of our commitment to it there's no money in it it's it's just because we want to improve our outcomes and we know that if we can keep people engaged in treatment and in a safe sober supportive environment for a longer period of time it will improve our outcomes no question but i would like to say that i am in strong support of this project having dealt with this population i realize how important this is and also i want to thank i don't know how secure commitment to helping people that can't get help you think you know mr cunningham for all the great work you do in this community and i love seen your ex on the perpetuity part i think that's really important i'd love to share i'd like to see just monies from this fund be put towards echo the comments of my colleagues i do have a question how many folks if you were to get this grant and then this home how many people would be utilizing it per year let's say somebody or you double the number of beds probably because people stay there typically six about a six month stay so if we're able to get a facility that will come at a ten people which some of us do then we'd be serving twenty people year as different people each time well yes i mean you know there's a there is a misconception i think about the fact that  notion that everybody keeps going through treatment you know it's just you know there's a redundancy there it doesn't really play out in the statistics you have a certain number of people who go through treatment and never go through treatment again you have a certain number of people who require multiple episodes of treatment much the same way you do with any chronic condition health condition and then you have you know people that it just doesn't work for they're not they're not the one of things i like to say though is that when people ask how successful we are i like to say that we're one hundred percent successful with people who are really motivated to change yet that's yeah and that is what it going to help one home is going to help potentially twenty people a year and twenty different people a year that this is the exact reason we one of the exact reasons we have this fund so i'm very supportive of it because we get it you know to be put it in terms of bang for your buck we get our bang for our buck on that one a good bang for a buck so i'm highly supportive of this even though i know we put fat max through the ringer a little bit about they don't have a home yet this is a proven model that that they're just getting ready they need to say ok we got it  we got the commitment of the funds now they can go find the proper house so very very very supportive of this one thank you thank you  i appreciated that you sharing the comments of the state's drug court i just wish they would do the best talking and more walking and putting up resources to help you know i couldn't agree with you more about that it's a great source of frustration to us frankly you know the judiciary does need they need to support peace or our neighbors you know these people and we all understand that but judiciary does like to set high standards for the services that they want to contract for but they don't always the money doesn't always follow that way we understand y just one thing that is a concern to me because there's other entities that don't do a good job he's moving people through the funnel and so you haven't had many bad experiences of trying to get people t transitioning to move from your place to the next process of getting on to self sufficiency and independence it seems to work out you know like that i wouldn't say in one hundred percent of the cases that that works out but most of the time it does you know by the time they get there and they've got that six months to work on it we provide case management services we have some excellent case managers and the state the alcohol saying something positive about the state want to does the alcohol drug abuse division a few years back did add in case management as a service that they provide so we're able to use resources to hire staff to you know to help manage these folks so we're helping them not only with if it's necessary with getting jobs you know with certainly with the housing and the other supports that they needed places in order to be as successful as possible not to mention  the you know the twelve step recovery process and other other recovered some board systems that just bring it up because you know the pledge continues to argue with the county what is our approach not appropriate what is our share of apologize he couldn't be here today the project that we had applied for is how the mahoney volley to our first phase of our evolved campus will consist of thirty nine units there will be thirty six one bedroom units and two two bedroom units along with one manager's unit all of these units are designated for elderly affordable housing with they accept a manager's unit we have been working on this project for a few years our project drawings are pretty much complete our permit eating is the end process right now we should be complete by the summer and at that time we would be ready to begin site w are there any questions it's rental and for seniors is there i know you're getting federal funds but is there any way we can work on trying to make this available first  to our maui county residents when i when i go you know i get calls from the key one for their come their complaints that they have on the road and whatnot it's always from somebody who just moved here to move into that home and it kind of you know chops me a little bit is that we have a lot of folks that are needing to retire that have lived here for a long time born and raised here maybe and they are and especially at a he could we do have rental subsidies by either hide or rural development so those are available for any you know any person to the ground those housing units unfortunately we can't discriminate and make them so residence and going forward with this project we would most likely receive federal funding as well and so we wouldn't be able to restrict their residence you know you resident either and i and maybe you can do a by a percent and you know we give for providing fifty percent of the funding that maybe fifty percent of the homes can be restruck did that kind of thing i don't know it's just it's it is frustrating you guys do a great job but when you get the calls from the folks that are just moved here to move into those it's now just regularly to receive you know many applicants from the mainland we do receive many applicants from mally county as well and we can take that back when we're drawing up our contracts with the federal agencies to see if that's something they would allow thank you thank you know since you have multiple funding and knowing your organization we keep track of your so your funds separately right it's not just a one party and it's just one mix of seven eight different revenue sources you keep each one independent so you can respond back to your funding source how you their specific money was spent is that correct yes so if we do it that boy i understand your comment about the government and public  come down to something where you would have to subdivide those units out from the projects that received the federal funding so you would build those four units separately and then try to somehow septa by the parcel and then other questions for our resource person if not we know the history of this entity their track record they've done multiple projects on throughout the county so if you have questions afforded to the chair and rental funds where these monies are coming from if you are not to use for any of these processing that when you went through with the applications how else would you apply it p about that amount or i get an estimate from our director balls and what we have before we start the process if the plan was approved in the funds were not awarded the money would be in main in the affordable housing fund for future  concerns about the twelve units you know first of all i'm i'm i kind of feel quite good that they're utilizing the work force the changes that we went through and it's becoming a  make sense that the people are utilizing the two point one six with the amendments so i guess i would like to have if i meet chair some explanation as to a point five million that we have provided them out of the housing front to purchase the land shows that is tentative funds but has in the land already been purchased department i think it's fair tha funding that's far vaster than mine if the funds from maui county that they're requesting were not forthcoming were they be able to apply for a larger   tax credit funding they're also working with our section eight department to set up a candid based on voucher assistance program for their projects so that will also assist them in scoring better to receive the state of low income housing castrated award last year they went to the process of course they did not receive the award and they've been working diligently trying to improve in areas of weakness to make sure they get that funding thank you and the other question i'd like you to ask parliament to respond to it at some point is you know that the the housing study is is just about to get going but i'm just wondering from the previous housing study whether or not the need for housing is greater among this population that it is among the younger populations homeless and cetera and i don't know that whether the housing study  provide that kind of a nation but if it were we're putting a significant amount of money into this one project and i'm just wondering if if the need at that bracket is is warranted compared to addressing the needs of affordable rado's for people who are in the work force no we can afford that question so to love a department sufficient time to do their  due diligence and get accurate information compiled so they can respond to their investments and just one last question was the home funds those i believe in the funds we get once every four years to help in the whole of for the two thousand and fifteen period and reason i ask that is that my recollection is that during the presentation eight sack it was told to us that the  this type of thing but i don't know this mr ojo current or someone else but it was determined that if she made a presentation to this body that it would render her ability to participate in future are peas at question and i find that really hard to understand because we've we've had many developers come up here and provide there but not on going to really push taxation is like key leverage in changing the attitude of affordability especially when you see the numbers i'm getting from the university about out of state ownership  which highlights the twenty eleven point you housing plan and study and then one portion about a down payment assistance i guess it's been said via the department that they will continue to propose such a program and because they are seeing the lack of purchases happening of course we all know costs and what have you lack of downpayment to even get started so i was just wondering if department is still seeking to somehow bring program will still be in the form of a grant with the same restrictions it's a fifteen year loan or occupancy requirement and if you sell during any period of the fifteen years even if it's fourteen and a half years then you have to repay the entire subsidy that you received so those are the deed restrictions that go with this particular grant so you know again it doesn't stay in perpetuity after fifteen you can sell it m r correct it's not in perpetuity based on its current form as a