who is serving as vice chairman for this term and by our new newest selectman and dash who is going to be signed up to twelve committees tonight as we age ok one to go ahead i'm great april twenty fifth the belmont lexington band summit going to be seven p m at the high school the is the first time this is ever been done with two of the best bands high school bands in the state was just like seem to bomb on high lexington high school's band is coming to belmont high they're going to in the belmont band is going to get together be introduced a song in the morning spend the entire day working on it and then have a concert at seven p m that night so it should be tremendous april twenty fifth people twenty fifth april twenty fifth recycling event you can drop off any of the following items textiles rigid plastics electronics eyeglasses books c d s propane tanks bicycles paper shredding and the animal rescue league will donate towels and sheets from your textiles to donate to this organization what does that mean means you can tell me here linens and things for the p m at the town yard which is on thirty seven c street which is over or off of waverly road yes so you drive up towards waverly square and you waverly is or c street is off to the right there there is an online you can visit online at the at the town website d p w highway division in you can get more information that way ok and then the last or the second the last one i'm asked to mention is the memorial day parade which was rained out last year but it won't be rained out this year because we're going to hold it even if it's raining  o if you or your community organization are interested in participating in the parade or being a sponsor please call the belmont veterans service officer bob upton who does a really good job for us he's at six one seven nine nine three two seven two five then tonight if we're on schedule we're going to talk about the veterans memorial project at seven fifty so the memorial day parade is actually a lot of fun and we have the bands cranked up in the motorcycles and so it's a good time looking forward to your speech was the two would think i might be able to conjure one up if i was interviewed by three high school students on  going to present a certificate of recognition to oliver leave is that how you pronounce your last name over i believe the eagle scout wanted to come forward and if that your mother if you want your mother to come with you to see if you want to come confirmed their locations for the purpose of creating a new database system for the town cataloguing the locations by section of the cemetery using a section seven system that  was previously not connected to the individual grave locations in any significant way so after creating the database we also marked every single veteran's graves using a distinct number on maps and created sort of a tangible map database system for finding any particular veteran in either cemetery or finding every single veteran's grave in a particular location in either of the cemeteries and that can be used for placement on memorial day and it can be used to find a particular veteran's grave for loved ones or friends who wish to visit the grave who do work with them th of the cemetery to get information on graves that we couldn't locate so that we could try to track them down and i also worked  with i worked with the cemetery committee to come firm if any there were several graves that we needed to refire and using like the original information in who has the form i created a binder which separates out the databases printed out by location in the cemetery along with a section map for each section of the cemetery i also created several u s b sticks to give out with the physical scout and part of becoming an eagle scout is completing a service project i chose this as a service project when i went to ms cushman looking for anybody in the town who needed help rote eagle scout in honor of your exemplary work in helping veterans services officer upton in building a database of all belmont veterans interred within our town of belmont cemeteries with praise in appreciation for your efforts and best wishes in all your future endeavors james r williams  ok so now we're going to a section that we that i added because this is our first meeting together and the idea is that maybe each of us would say a few words about what our outlook for the year is and i put i put some materials in the in the in our book because i think there's a lot of you know sometimes there's a lot of confusion about who manages the town and who who's responsible for the management of the town so i just want to read this from the the bylaws the selectmen shall have the general direction and management of the property and affairs of the town in all matters not otherwise provided by laws or these bylaws and so that means where the board of selectmen where the board of survey where the trail and i'm wondering what are some of your ideas for the year coming up we need to decide you know how micromanaging we want to be or how much we want to set the policy and let other people do their jobs with  oversight from us or how much they want to get our hands into all the mechanics of it there's no right or wrong answer and clearly it's not up to be alone but i think that with all of the things on the plate and the fact we have a good staff that i think we could take more  setting of the policy and oversight because there's a lot for three people to do was you know and that also goes to the liaison piece which i guess we could talk about when we get there and i think you brought it up last time which is something i've been talking about for a while which was having a quarterly meetings maybe with the various chairs of the departments to give updates rather than have some sort of formal liaison going to every single meeting because i mean for instance things like the zoning board there's nothing for selecting to do at the meeting reading i do read the agendas and do see what happens and read the minutes of the meeting so i'm up on that but to have them actually come and some sort of rotating basis at least the larger committees might be more productive than having us dividing up the team committees in high school building committee for instance isn't even on the list you know dividing those up the statutory ones are different obviously the work committee in the capital budget that that's a different animal altogether but  past six years thrilly move this board to more of a policy board we've created some financial projections one thing i don't think we've done as much as we should have or as effectively as really start to understand the term what i should the direction should be as a community isn't just numbers either it's right what kind of a community we want to be three five ten years from now just haven't really gotten to that point of sitting down i think that's something we should consider as chairman after tommy is to sit down as a as a as a board plea you know what do we want to accomplish from a couple budget perspective from a financial perspective and just in general as a as a force like and as a community and haven't really found the time over the past seven years to have done that i think we law but i think that more than we need to do there well i think the financial task force played a major role in bringing right that kind of focus into town and it solved a lot of lingering issues but i think you're right right on target in terms of what to the next step should be so i think thank you for that i have i have another quote to read here which is i think fits in with both both commentaries strategic liberal leadership gives purpose and meaning to organizations it involves anticipation in visioning a viable future for the organization and working with others to initiate changes that create such a future which is what you're talking about when i came on the board i was concerned i was looking at it more from a risk standpoint and the major risk that i was concerned about was building the substation and that has been done for those who have followed the action there i also ha funding schedule and also we have the old our peak coming out so those those are important but but i support the idea of we need to envision a viable future for the organization meaning the government the town and working with others to make sure that we can create such a future so i just wanted to give us a few minutes to think about how we're going to go about doing this work what's next  questions from town residents seen none we're going to move on phyllis where time is a twenty minutes after seven ok so we can invite the lottery commissioner and then no thank you and then just to mention we have a protocol that you're on camera and we're not trying to trick you or anything so there's no joke but the the  and so you wanted to provide the slike man in the town with some general information about a number of activities that the waterways and gave them has been engaged in for quite a number of decades with three hundred fifty one cities and towns across the commonwealth obviously including belmont this for a snapshot gives you an idea of the gross sales revenue just out of belmont for the last couple of fiscal years you see a high of about eleven point five million back in fiscal  two thousand and fourteen that number was down slightly down to about ten point three ten point four million in the last fiscal year and so far through the end of february of this coming fiscal year at about seven point three million we think that will finish right pretty close to the ten million mark maybe nine five probably depending on what happens with the megamillions over the next month and a half  perhaps in the area of interest the stock market had been a very strong producer for the lottery in the commonwealth as you can see grow sales from stock market this one place average just about one million dollars per year over the last couple of fiscal years it was on track for that same amount it was three hundred eighty thousand to the beginning of the summer of two thousand and sixteen we do have a system o paying out commissions and bonuses as well as some other items that an individual retailer can earn throughout the course of the year the average lottery agent across the state earns almost forty thousand dollars a year in commissions and bonuses as above fifty thousand dollars through calendar year sixteen up to that point recently we did have a couple of smaller businesses smaller retailers agents who had been existing lottery agents apply for a license i know that comes before the board of selectmen as it does we with each city in town and as i had mentioned to some members in a previous conversation through an error of the lottery the town had initially rejected the application for those two businesses we had received your letter of rejection it was received somewhere internally between the legal and licensing the part meant that letter was not fully processed and as a result what happen is that the third leg of the lottery which is the lady that goes out and actually places this equipment and enables it did go out to both businesses in february of two thousand and six and install those machines i think somewhat perhaps blissfully i think most parties were unaware of the confusion that involved until later in two thousand and sixteen i believe a third local  retail store in the area also applied for a kina license the lottery sent a notice here to the town similarly the town rejected that application that application simile was received by the lottery however this time as a ninety percent of the occasions lottery correctly process that letter and notified the owner of that particular location that they would not be receiving keno because it was jacked up by the town i was contacted  council and they pointed out that these two other facilities in the area had recently got me in his mind a kina license when in fact it was the underlying confusion i imagine so that prompted me to contact officials here as well to do some i just want to share this with you and your residence tonight that one of those locations that did in essence receive it despite the objection has done quite well with kino sales and again this is a lottery agent beyond just kino sales some of these figures june august and november and march include a five week so those numbers are skewed up a little bit but on average you see transactions anywhere from fifteen to twenty thousand dollars on an average month i just know sales from the lottery perspective this particular location has been a very good retail agent for the watery and particularly for keno we have not received any complaints from consumers from this location either previously or sense the installation of of kino i'm unaware that the city has or the town of belmont has either excuse me yet that was the installation of monitors not you know right correct right  yes i believe that they both locations may recently have gotten a new version of the game which we refer to as kino to go the customer can get a ticket but there's no monitor they can leave a check either on a mobile application or on the waterways website to see if they had one that i believe they were i believe they were selling it's a version of it that we refer to as kino to go we also a second monitor game called although nothing but that also has a to go as far as you know i just want you clarification so it's no it's what it's without the monitors locations have also been lottery retail agents in general and the tickets things of that nature to get all three have been in good standing for all the time period they've been in existence so as you can see again the numbers here have been very healthy similar thing june aug nov february could a five week period again the gross revenues just from kino ranging anywhere from forty to a little bit above sixty sometimes and to seventy thousand dollars again those and eighty five are during five week periods as compared to the four weeks and just take a little bit of a step back and show you some of the unrestricted state aid that belmont's received the last three years about ninety five percent of which comes from the massachusetts state lottery in f y two thousand and fourteen that was approximately one point nine million nephi fifteen it was up to about two million and again last year for i sixteen i was just over two million dollars and i'd just like to know for the record the lottery does not control the distribution of those local wage we simply produce the revenue net profit is then turned over to the commonwealth for this to be asian mr chairman through you could ask the question yes this other than these that we're discussing the other any other places that if you know monitors in town not that i'm aware of i believe that the rest of the locations i think there are a ten mistress like men i believe they all have what we refer to currently as kino aid over the last three fiscal years that have been provided to some of your new nearby neighbors within your geographical region and again that's a number that's controlled by the commonwealth itself not by a lottery and that actually ends the presentation what i was hoping tonight is either the seaming or in the future for reconsideration by the boys on the licenses that previously had been rejected f possibly understand it would probably have to be at a later future date for consideration about the stock market accounts down market as i showed you in that previous slide in general was producing about a million plus a year in gross revenues are probably somewhere between twenty and thirty percent of that ends up back into the general unrestricted a pool and stock market as a corporation in general has always been a very good partner also with a watery but i c market that does not have the monitor he did the boards like blue post all three of them that's the one that the lottery that's the one that did not get the monitor the other two did this is very interesting because i actually thought that the decline of the the keno monitors was more recent than march of two thousand and sixteen that was a year ago that that high in february of is that you're licensing group and then you unanimously decide x and then why happens in two out of three cases so you know it it is it's a question of  coordination i understand that mistakes happen understand you have a ninety eight percent compliance rate but it still leaves us in a very awkward position and i'd like to ask selectman polow can you  share with that and so what's come of this and think the point you're making and what we've been informed about is that even though we rejected the first two they have monitors so i don't know what what enforcement action if any we can take there and the third that we rejected does not have the monitor correct also reconsider our point of view recent point of view i suppose over the next last year or two two years of not of asking applicants that apply for a liquor licenses not to sell lottery tickets yes that's correct i mean i've been trying to do more i've been at the lottery almost two years of the two years in june i've been trying to take a more proactive approach in the communication and direct contact between myself and tiles if there's any questions or concerns that come up either in general about the  bodies or about specific locations and that's what caused me to reach out of this issue and as you mentioned this gem and i use one again reiterate a fully knowledge the ever involved situation is one hundred percent lock stock and barrel the fault of supposed to do and i suppose if we were firm on the original decision we would ask you to take the two monitors out or turn them off instead of instead of yeah right  instead of adding a third right and i i don't know if we're ready to do that tonight or not how do you how do you get misty and i think the other i mean that's that's one of the message i believe that we're receiving as well our positions that we've taken historically not only on these monitors but norm the larger the larger issue on the liquor asking applicants for liquor license but particularly star market that got a million dollars and  like you said around a million a plus gross else so i think what you claim to fame a i think it was this week asking us to consider is whether we would reconsider our position not only on these monitors but also on the restriction of selling lottery if you have a retail liquor license because it does have an impact but he's not asking that you know but i think that's the other it seems like that's that's sort of the annoying as well there are a large number of changes i'd like to make to the liquor license locations that's the question that if the answer to that is yes then the third location can put the monitor up if the answer is no then i think we would we would ask that our original  decision be respected and somehow the monitors be either removed or turned off some point what's what's the point of us voting on anything if people are just going to end up doing things anyway and i think it it seems as if it does happen i mean you know no i'm not i'm not blaming anybody and i mean it's clearly wasn't done on purpose but it is i think mark is right it's an equitable situation i think a it's all done remotely through the internet i mean you could turn the monitor off without taking it physically off the wall you can probably turn it off right now i mean i would say that at least because that was what that's what the board voted to do this should be the other two should be shut off right away and then we could have a longer discussion about what you want to do from there or we could just say they're shut off and that's that they can come take the monitors off the wall or not as they choose right now with from seven thousand five hundred if i'm reading that correct twenty three yeah right but those people might have been playing keno in watertown and now they're playing it environment you don't know or the lottery sales will start market have gone somewhere else i don't think people stopped think what perhaps we need to think about is do we reverse her position on the monitors but also on the liquor licenses to extend her support to the lottery commission and t absolutely not because that was the vote so just because it was an honest mistake made and then the whole position gets flipped that doesn't seem the basis for flipping the decision to me or not not to complicate things further but in in the you know please do it in the  denial at least technically speaking retailer hand or the lottery has the right to appeal the decision to ask both parties to appear at a formal administrative hearing that likely would be held at the massachusetts state lottery so  it's an unusual circumstance and while i agree with you that the individual numbers are relatively small to the big picture of a five billion dollars in sales the mass use lottery did last year and  likely to do something close to that again this year you know each individual city in town to fall ends up making a tapestry of sales and revenue that's produced throughout the commonwealth you know and so a loss of a million dollar account here half a million dollar account there it makes it very difficult for our organization to you know beat eighty three percent growth rate in fact the lottery this year as i predicted at the beginning of the fiscal year is down about two to three percent and that will ultimately be felt by the three hundred fifty one cities and towns who will start to receive less unrestricted aid in subsequent years if that trend was a result of the casinos it's a number of factors it's complicated the answer i think  a huge shift in the consumer market that's been going on for five or six years and lotteries across the country are experiencing and mostly related to the fact that we will be towards a cashless society and a society that increasingly makes purchases online as opposed to in retail locations now with regard to the appeal if the installations hadn't taken place the three locations and the lottery could have could have appealed the decision in any case yes yes i don't want to misspeak but that's my understanding you think it's at the purview of the executive director in this case myself could call for an administrative hearing or the applicant could also then ask for basically appeal the no decision that the lottery conversation was initiated by a contact from the lottery's council to me and to ask for a meeting and i think the point that council was making to me was that if the town has just simply a blanket policy of we just don't want keno that may ultimately not be sustainable or the lottery has the remedy of not sharing keno revenues with the town so i the town has specific reasons for not wanting kino at a particular location the lottery is different that's a different story and so i took the request as being you know to the extent that there was a sort of a policy of what we can say now so we don't like you know so they're going to say no that the lottery is asking that you reconsider that and consider this on a site you know on a case by case basis but they have right but i'm just saying that i don't know to what degree there was really a site by site analysis is a nice decision to do it but i mean the by me i understand what mark was saying about the issue of loitering is i've certainly seen that with the monitors in other towns where they have tables in the back of a convenience store and people sit there for hours on end playing the key you know on the monitor i've seen it so that's different from the to go thing where you just have it on your phone i would say so that i there is a very big difference between the monitor no monitor but we're not banning kino clearly places after you know the just don't have the monitor cumin so and i would just like to say to him in general usually when this type of requests to certainly even when someone first applies to be a lot of egypt there's a number of hurdles if he will and they go through a lot of station restaurant a bar don't necessarily want customers loitering around the interior exteriors of the location and out of course those that happen for a variety of reasons that at different locations absolutely a lot of factors play that any of those type of complaints i could be wrong about that but the last time i checked you know that was the case so we would have seen at this point that almost for a year the two locations in question have operated and all business activities and all love interaction with the town if you will on the tower consumers has been at a same normal rate as it would have been prior to the monitors not being there so there isn't seems to be either a social or economic disruption in me way and so that's one of the reasons why i'm also here tonight making this appeal to you yeah i mean i'm glad you came i think it's an interesting presentation i personally support the lottery business because of the use of proceeds from two million dollars as important to the dow so but i do think we need more data before we can make this a decision tonight in i think adam you would agree that unless we understand how many kena locations we have and we really can't say it's ok to have three monitors at these three locations because we say that if we have seventy five locations then we're going to get we're going to end up with seventy two more monitors w like we've been consistent that there been no monitors anywhere except that was point earlier question there are no other monitors and actually these these two were rejected as well they just accidentally went up broke so if they but i but i think i don't have a problem reconsidering the monitor question but but i don't think we can do that without understanding how many keno locations there are and how many people would request monitors would you just so that the board knows there are only eight  that are authorized by a lottery retail agents to begin with and you cannot simply be a stand alone seller of keno in fact kino in general is usually a higher threshold we usually require that the site of operation be an existing lottery agent and been successful for its individual circumstances of selling other lottery products for a period of time prior to even understand what the intent of the other five licensees would be also you know i think there's a a pro business aspect to this in terms of  businesses involved i personally would like to know if if we say yes to this as a scenario i'm not losing i'm just i'm just a way of thinking about it and it seems to me that the other five given the increase in sales would come and want a keno monitor and in their store just as a hypothesis then they'd just divide up the demand and everyone's profit would go down but you maybe yes maybe no i don't know but i would like to know more about the other five and then that really brings me to the question of what do we do in the interim between now and getting getting that information and i think mike and  i would like to know what is the possibility of turning the monitors off how do you how do you stop the monitors from being used since they were weren't approved in the first place well it is a technical matter i mean we can obviously stop the flow of information if you will so that the monitors can be turned off it may take a day or so i don't know if i have to actually send a technician out to do in town because i think you're right i think if we say yes to these two then third likely the other five might want to have the same do we want that within our community and that's the first question but you know my second question is a liquor license we need to hear from the monitors did you want to have regulations that govern the use of them like you know tables and chairs that i think is a larger loitering i don't know in the interim we rejected those too and it's been equitable for the third applicant that we also reject it not to have a monitor so i would sort board as i think what you're suggesting mr chairman that the two that's currently in place i'm sure that they're not to be happy neither is the lottery commission that the monitors be shut are for now when we consider the larger point later and what i'd like to do is to put a timeline on that is that possible and i think anything i think we absolutely need to do that so in other words we would we would do the narrow question of keno we would address within the next thirty days is that understand we're saying you're saying that we would come up with some answer on the monitors within thirty days just town meeting and all is happening and i don't know for even meeting before ten meeting well we're going to talk about that later but i think you know i think sometimes the business of the of the town demands you know that kind of activity i just don't see the monitor thing as an emergency matter i mean they've had a when i when you're windfall those two businesses to be honest that i can't you can't unring the bell so they've made extra money for a year and they actually if they were here i wasn't on the board but if they were here and heard the board say no and then the monitor went up on the wall i mean you would have thought someone would have said something but i think that's right so they kind of the someone must have known that a mistake was made somewhat and i think we w conversation and i've communicated with this marshall into the board my concerns about the disparate treatment between the two that got it and my client we hear that  subject to a prohibition against further transfer so they're not they wouldn't be making this transfer subject to the to the vote and in any event the town meeting vote would simply be to petition the legislature and i would experience expect a process of quite a few months before the legislature actually acted on that so and i would be shocked if they had not already received the decision of the a b c before of the other part of the room i don't recall it coming up but maybe it did whether we make sure that the output of the applicant to the current owner of the license didn't own the money to the towns would only add up with another one of the situation before i don't see license from the alcohol beverage control committee to work with the m s p a to provide a solution to the high school after the state invited into their grant program and on april fourth two thousand and sixteen a year just about a year from today the building committee met for the first time and we began our work with the a must be on the first phase of the project called module one or the eligibility face the full must be a program has eight modules going through pulmonary design final design construction and project fund the feasibility phase which was accomplished in the may town meeting of last year and then to complete the educational profile the educational profile led to several discussions on the district and roman issues and out of that bill my proposed three configurations for further study to determine the best solution for the belmont high school to summarize that those three configurations are nine through twelve school and eight through twelve school and a seven through twelve school and concurrently bulma and the m s p a certified the designer for those three configurations in november last year the m s p a accepted belmont into their feasibility study phage of the project and this phase must be completed in thirty months this phase includes module two through module five which includes forming the project team feasibility study schematic design and project funding and agreement along the way there are several milestones that require a review and approval given that we are partnered with the state on this project last week we presented our selection of the o p m to the m s p as davis projects of boston and the m s p accepted  recommendation that as a first half of the design of the professional team what is the name of the firm de lis projects a l u s d a d a us that's our first half of the professional team the other half is the designer which is made up of the architect and their consultants we are starting that selection process this week and we expect to be complete by july of this year this process of selecting the designers is largely dictated by the m s p a guidelines in compliance with massachusetts law public for public work this design is our selection process is run through the m s p a designer selection panel which is made up of us selected representatives from the m s p a side totaling thirteen individuals and three from the district this repeal of doma the m s p states that three members of this church shall have one of whom shall be from the school committee or or designate the superintendent  or designee and the chief executive executive officer or designate we have been sitting in the m s p a designer selection meetings to determine the process and who best represents the district in these meetings also we asked our p m for their recommendation the most common of of the three representatives of the district appeared to be the superintendent the chair of the building committee and the school principal the work on the selection committee  entails a good understanding of the project background and needs for coupled with a full participation in the selection process the selection process starts with a meeting later this week a review of the araa fest and designer contracts followed by several meetings in the next two months evaluation of submittals by the designers a week of high school tours of the state and two meetings with the m s p a design or selection panel at their offices in boston all of this scheduled to occur the next three months in discussions with the chair of the school committee she has indicated that the school pick committee will defer their seat to the discretion of the building committee and that likely selection will be the high school principal for the school committee committee designate i'm here to the that the board of selection the board of selectmen consider the recommendation of the building committee to defer their seat to the discretion of the building committee and that the that the selection to be the chair of the building committee for the  about why the school a member of the school committee or designate why would they pick the principal they deferred their selection to the the recommendation of building committee and so the building committee recommends in conjunction with the superintendent and the chair of the building committee be the principal of school so having the superintendent and the school principal is is considered preferable by the building committee to having someone from the school committee on the selection board this election body i think the answer that i i  to say that with the with the deck stacked with three against all not against but in conjunction with thirteen from the state we want to make sure that the buildings are working and if their representatives are in the one that's like there has to be a minimum of nine sitting at the table so there's usually around eleven say that sit there along with the three and it's the desire of the building committee representing belmont to make sure that we put the best team forward to make sure that we make the best recommendation for and so that what we've been doing is researching who best represents the town in school projects so i respect that and what would keep me off on that is a lot of the things that we do we can delegate other people and in certain circumstances we've decided not to do that because in the most recent example had to do with the transfer of the substation in  purchase and sale agreement of the of the electrical substation rest town meeting gave us instructions to sign the purchase and sale agreement and it was proposed to us that we delegate that to the like department and we decided not to because you know because town meeting ask us to take care of that business and it turned out to be a good decision because one of our members saw an anomaly in that purchase and sale agreement and what do you think about this you designating the selection of the individual to attend these meetings to the building to me that's what you're asking right yes so that would mean that the superintendent high school principal and the chair of the building committee or someone else that you might as you attend these me have a representative there so you do it's not as though we don't have somebody on the committee i don't feel the need for us to go up pointing who runs around where on the committee there are a lot of really good people that actually i just used the example of the board of selectmen for you know for the high school building regional some are cities and towns and so forth so it's districts it's very broad but they try to capture everyone so what we want to do is just make sure that we've dotted the i's and cross the t's by asking you if we got a good recommendation as you said earlier and so what i'm here to ask you is that you or your designee to the school building or the high school building committee for their just decision on who best represents for the selection of the ok kevin ryan i'm the president of the belmont veterans memorial committee five hundred one c three organization whose mission is to recognize belmont men and improving re refurbishing i forget the exact correct word but fixing up the world war one monument and ultimately beginning to expand and renovate the today one hundred years to the month after the united states and of world war one belmont has its world war one great war monument in all its glory and it's beautiful if you go down there you can take a look at it when we started this effort our goal was to do all this work without taking any tax dollars from the town of belmont we did get c p a money for the world war one monument we estimated that would cost us about sixty thousand dollars we were given that money and we did the project for about thirty eight thousand dollars so we returned money to the town and i think the job was was was very well done where we are now in our process is that we have begun doing the design work and raising money for the clay but upon the moral and if you go down there you'll see that that little stone at the end of that the bottom of the flagpole says it's to the belmont men and women who serve their country in time of war where interested in memorializ recognizing all the men and women who serve their country in the armed forces and you did that thank you for inviting everyone up here you don't know for the record i should introduce  friends you know french to bill french who was the actually the guy who first came forward and said we need to do something he was focused on vietnam war and it quickly expanded to all of the conflict since then so thank you very much bill right now we've raised in excess of eight hundred thousand dollars we've already paid out three thousand dollars to a design firm beta corporation and they have given us the design which you can see in front of you on some of these placards and then up here on the screen essentially this is a very low key design compared to the world war one monument stones are very low to the ground it blends in with the local terrain there and and it's been done all  done in planning with the can conservation group which is redoing the path around clay pit pond so we are we are certain that this morrow when it's finished will look very beautiful and appropriate to the site you mentioned the morial day parade in the future we would love to see the memorial day parade and here at the   and so what have we been doing we have a website we have a five on one c three status if you paid taxes in belmont you got a mailing if you didn't get the mailing then you should check because you joe white as what an example of it at the back of the room here you can take a look you can even put money in it if you want we're going to sell off pavers pavers our way of raising money for the memorial but it's really it's more than raising money for a memorial it's really about involving the people in the town so the pavers are affordable i think a hundred or one hundred fifty alors i think we have and   who got the students together and and prime them it's called them and work with them to come up with the question so it was it was a great community effort and those histories will be retained here and they'll be made available possibly we can make them a digital part of the memorial the monument system here we're not sure how we would do that yet we're not smart enough or young enough to know that but i think there's got to be a way for us to really mean just general you interviewed other veterans in town as w that are there now live and for those who are watching or are in the audience here today it's just those kind of people that we want to give the families a chance to moralize so the veterans themselves what  when we started this as i said we wanted to do this without taking any money from the town and all we really asked the selectmen for was their support to make sure that we weren't somehow going in a direction that you thought was inappropriate and today two years later i to being able to go back to better corporation and asking them for a plan which is something that we can use to get a estimates and go out to be for a contract that once once we get the estimates from say two or three or potential last capers or companies to to make this memorial then we'll know exactly how much money we need to to raise we had a initial goal of something around two fifty two hundred fifty thousand dollars but it's anyone's guess as to whether that's high or low i think my personal opinion i think that's high i think we can do this more or less anted to wait before we spent it because we want to gather more information and and be more specific to the contractor that we actually have not started our fundraising efforts with the  civil war afghanistan that there were eight of them i think right in and i have income eleven conflicts and so we'll have stones all around the outside and then they'll be in the center will be a marker that has the emblems of each of the five branches of the service i mean navy marines air force and then they'll be spread around these papers with which will have the  s it's a our intention to be able to tie this in to a website so that a lot of the work for example the video presentation from from these interviews will be available  him if i may it was a couple things that we'd be remiss if we didn't mention the students who did these interviews they were thrilled to do them they did an excellent job and i know they got some sort of credit for a but i want to give them a credit only and what we're waiting for one of the things we're waiting for is a decision by the town on the community past we need to know where that's going so that we can extend but you're working with them as well yes yes we're want to work in touch with them and i guess they're on the  you know my memory of this is that as a result of the whole look of license transfer the issue of b y o b in fellows came up is that the genesis of this and how do we bring it incorporate into what we have today but there's going to be some further discussion and i know that found counsellors here as well with us on it but like i said we just wanted to bring more up to date as far as what we were doing and how we were doing it as far as the police department goes and you know our guidelines that we have in place and making sure people are doing what they should be doing as far as the establishment would in town but we just wanted to make sure as i said some of the language that was put in place many years ago has changed in the sense and we need to have those changes and cooperate and that's why we're here today ok so for the public perhaps you can think right now it's you know there is some regulations out there so let's get right to it so that the state law is that a licensed establishment  that status but that has an alcoholic beverages licenses may not allow b y o b period ok the the state law is silent on whether common victual or without alcoholic beverages licenses license can allow patrons to bring alcohol into the premises and the a b c s position is that in the absence of a municipal ordinance the way o b is allowed so and if there is nothing on the books it's allowed period people can bring alcohol into a restaurant that does not have an alcoholic beverages license that you can't bring the whole and in this location that doesn't have a common  well that's yes you can or you can say you might not get a meal there but that's called i mean you can go to somebody's house and you can bring i mean this is it's really the same principle there isn't a sale involved that the the liquor licensing laws regulate the sale of alcohol so you can bring you can bring alcohol to any private property including your neighbor's house or a restaurant unless it's prohibited so you can you can have a bloody mar on the books that prohibit people i o p and recently and for example boston the city boston actually printed b y o b for quite a long time recently one municipality has gotten creative about this instead of an ordinance just prohibiting it they're allowing it subject to b y o b permits that are issued to common vick interests owners that marblehead was one of the towns that pioneered this and i just saw an article that the city of boston has unveiled this program that now the city of boston will have b y o b permits so i think that was the direction that we wanted to start to go in in these regulations but i think all of those are authorized by a legislative an act meant an ordinance by city council or a town by a law which we do not have so i think we may in one of the drafts here where we were talking about  zero so i don't think we can do it in this draft and we've recommended removing that for the moment and it was also will be fusing because it was in a section that dealt with alcohol licensees i think we want to keep these two things separate to make sure there's no confusion that this is a rule that would not apply to alcoholic beverages licensees how could there be any confusion in that regard if you write it badly enough  believe george is right some pretty but it and some are now starting to allow it but the concern is you lose control of the situation the concern is that the restaurant to pay for having a liquor license aren't going to be happy i think that you're letting people who don't have a license to serve not serve their customers either because it will be able to bring it in rather than going where you can go and buy a bottle of wine for fifteen dollars but you might pay triple that in the restaurant so i mean the people who actually have a liquor license may not like the fact that the people can be why it will be next door in a place that doesn't have a liquor license where we know it's allowed because we haven't disallowed it it's not it's correct it has not been where i was silent and then what does that mean to you  would say guidelines and because we want to make sure that obviously within those parameters that people understand what they are first and foremost and that we obviously are looking to protect the town as record number of seats to the permit thing might be a revenue generator as well i mean funny part of the permit issue is that we need to have guidelines to make sure that people who want to permits have insurance that they knew what was expected that they knew that's the next steps out but there's some and to be honest with you this is very new i believe it's not that it brought in october was brought to light and boston was i think they just decided in january you know to bring it bring it forth and then they have some of their guidelines so i mean i'm a big proponent of not being the first one you know set the tone i mean the thing is like george said there's a number of communities that are already out there some that have  first put it out there and then all of sudden backpedaled and change their policies and guidelines so i think we can find some good best practices and move forward with that and you know in a way that i believe everybody would be  would be acceptable to everyone you might want to just do something about the economics of this too because i think probably one of the reasons it's coming forward in boston is because they're at their oh yeah and  state has and to the number of alcoholic questions you can have in your community based on your population boston is at that limit so now they're looking for another way to do it but we're not we haven't necessarily been looking for another way i mean the reality is that people don't tend to bring a six pack into the sub shop you know they bring a bottle of wine into a restaurant maybe a new restaurant that has been unable to get a license so i would just think about it from a business standpoint do you really need to do this and who or what are you promoting yes so we will be back for you we just had a draft that needed a little more work on it is anybody interested in working with them learning and if it if it goes it goes of it doesn't it doesn't also to make sure that to put in there the proviso of making sure that that someone that plying or doing this doesn't owe us money right or use it as a trigger to get people who do all this money to pay you know there are a lot of questions know we hurting ourselves and no one will apply for that if they can just do that exactly and then the other thing based on my experience with floyd on the revenue opportunities for terms of terminating fees you really can't charge more than twenty seats at any location regardless of indoor outdoor requires two bathrooms or more so in this case i think from the previous the changes are more about the streetscape people can enjoy being outdoors healthier being outdoors in general and you know and there's long as you have these regulations in place it puts a little more rum a little more predictability on so you're working well salmon day and then thinking about what other communities are doing and then of updating what we have now this news server and is there anything in here that suggesting for want to revisit some of the fees to make sure that it was still covering the cost that some of these numbers haven't changed in a long time it can't possibly still well i'm not saying this one in particular that their number of the probably no longer still cover the cost yet the financial taskforce revenue opportunities committee went over literally every service fee that we have and we found that we compared them to surrounding committees and we found the bellman's fees were higher than most of the surrounding communit cost and in some instances where there are more inspections required there are more questions and there might be more visits but i think the intent was to have a feed that was uniform and adequate and you feel this is fair reports to somebody have well that's going on within the while we have we have a process that we have in place of inspection and making sure that they're doing what they should be doing as if they have their  license and things like that that for out of we were talking about earlier but we do inspections annually to make sure does this does this hundred dollar fee cover the cost of that i'm not what they need to do as far as the process but if i mean we do our inspections anyways to make sure everybody's doing what they should be doing this is a yearly your license so exactly what they did because what we had hired them to do at the time they said that it was above and beyond what normally would be done in the town but we wanted to do that regardless because we want to have a good pulse on well were you doing recycling a waste of version and make recommendations if any to improve the program so we undertook a sampling program we have sexually sixteen recycling routes we went out on twelve of them  you have as you know every other week for cycling's you have two routes every day and the secondary thing we did was we did some sampling be a waste that is we took a sample of garbage and recycling from a representative sample roots and we actually sorted through it to see how much for cycling was in the garbage and go into a little more detail about how we did that you probably know your system of but if you don't have a contract to collect with brussel disposal based or in somerville they collect unlimited garbage that anybody can put out as much as they want and bulky waste too so that's a pretty generous system you also have to stream recycling instead of single stream that is they put out paper separate from in time you know that and it's every other week instead of every week for the recycling they deal with the processing and marketing of the recyclable material if it's through a contract they have not you with days a week and they used to split body recycling trucks and again it's every other week so you know the back of the truck is where the paper goes on one side the bottles and cans of the other these are your roots again it's over two weeks we went out on twelve to sixteen of them for recycling we had we started the head of the trucks that way we could make observations of the garbage in the recycling before the truck got the collected the garbage of the recycling that is something we do in lots of other places it's hard to keep some of these trucks back we started going out earlier and earlier to be sure that they didn't catch up with us the way to get a representative sample and make it random is we know the route size roughly and then we divide it by how big we want our sample size to be so we pick and by sample by going every fourth or every fifth set out and we record the information on how much garbage was which for cycling and how much will he waste whether or not there was just garbage or recycling of all the waste when there was an unusual situation with a photograph there's ted out there on probably the first day we had to lift the anyone who has a container w recycling refuse routes the town selected them working in conjunction with russell we did it in june and in september we met two empty trucks the trucks were completely empty and then we put garbage and one in the recycling in the other we did the same representative random by a sort of sorting through all the recycling how much of each type and then we sort through garbage picked those same recyclables out of the garbage and weighed everything what we want to get out is what you covered right ok you have recyclables a certain set list that you can recycle but what percentage by way of each material and recyclables as a whole we're doing we think that's a better gauge of how well your program is doing as opposed to just a recycling rate for the town see you can recycle the set list of materials the papers the bottles and cans but what percentage by way of that set of materials are you actually recycling is it half is it sixty is it seventy percent is it less tha all sorts of materials in the recycling rate and don't realize they're counting scrap metal or yard waste and there are a community that has tons of yard waste or even more so other types of heavy material so i think scrap metal is probably the best example because yard waste is pretty similar findings on the how much did you set out the thing that we did on twelve that is sixteen routes we collected visual data on roughly fourteen hundred units ok and at roughly eighteen percent multifamily  that would be that two or more welling's in the building there was one of those fourteen hundred roughly ninety seven percent was garbage set out ninety one percent was recycling set up about nine percent recycling forty four percent less than thirty five gallons you can read the numbers but essentially that that would be good data to tell you if you're going to look at cart sizes that fit now how do they break out what  buy on the recovery rates again what percentage of each of these materials by way of was set up for recycling versus in the garbage you can see the two routes that we did tuesday blue wednesday blue and the range of of seventy percent by way seventy eight percent by the way the second time now so ted's going to go into a little more detail how that compares sure and then just again because i know that a lot of people get confused about recovery rates oh i'm sorry my name is ted siegler who d s m environmental services the basically what we're trying to figure out is what percent of the recyclables that they could have set out in the recycling bin that they throw away in the trash so in this case what we're saying is that if you put on that previous slide between seventy and seventy eight percent of all of the things that a household could have recycled they sat in their recycling bin and the other thirty to twenty two a lot of recovery right sampling in massachusetts we've done more than anyone else in the state and these are all recent recovery rate studies that we've done we did one for the city of boston as you can see their recovery rates ranged from fifty percent to sixty six percent lol fifty eight to sixty six percent but look at the contamination rates at seventeen to thirty two percent west springfield forty five to seventy nine percent but again very high contamination rates hold in seventy two to seventy eight percent but again high contamination rates central mass relatively high contamination rates similar recovery rates to you wister very high recovery rates they are the first city one of the first in the country and certainly the first to massachusetts to have citywide pays you throw pricing for refuse they've had it for over twenty years you want you want to have very high recovery rates material that can be recycled in very low rates of contamination and that's what you have base i know who's that so that's good to hear that it is the people  if they don't it's not fall they may wait and then bring out the second time we've done some studies in the past relating what we call a set out rate with what we saw because we only looked at it one week typically measured participation on a monthly basis how many times have people participate on a monthly basis if you have a ninety one percent set out rate and on one of the two times in your participation rate it's probably closer to ninety five percent so we would say based on the one thousand three hundred thirty nine samples that we looked at your participation rate is very high and your recovery rate is very high and your contamination rate is quite low seventy four percent of all corrugated cardboard was set out in the recycling bin and where was the other in the attic in the refuse on that tuesday blue right day and on wednesday ninety percent of the corrugated was in the recycling bin and ten percent was in the in the refuse and so overall for all of your materials on a weight basis on the tuesday route seventy percent of all the recycling was set up correctly in the recycling bin and thirty percent was thrown away in the refugees and then so you were trying to keep to improve the recovery rate you would encourage people to do a like detergent bottles they would be under the plastic bottles the new york sixty six percent on one day and seventy three on the on the second day so this is even though you say that our recovery rate is  i mean on an objective basis it's only about two thirds of what a third of our recyclables are going into the trash is that someone is on more of a million a third and twenty twenty twenty and thirty percent think maybe a lot of people don't know of that you can put the orange juice in in the milk cartons into recyclable because they don't think of them in that you know as a as an aluminum can or or a bottle sure what confused your behavior varies depending on where you generate the material in your house high recovery rates and for stuff that gets generated in the kitchen typically lower recovery rates for stuff that gets generated in the bathroom better yes and i think it's fair to say that we've been doing recovery rate sampling now for almost thirty years and when we started out because the rates of fifty to sixty percent were considered very high  now we're up close to eighty percent so we're getting better and you're right you're not at eighty percent you're not at ninety percent so there's there is room for improvement but historically speaking and looking comparing you with other municipalities you're doing very well so one of the ways that you could probably increase your recovery rate would be to go to carts in single stream which is one of our findings you would probably increase your contamination rate when you did that but you want to be data for the two routes that we conducted the recovery rate sampling you would come out focusing on the recycling and about that those households are recovering about five hundred eighty nine pounds of recycling per year and those averages are consistent with the data that we saw on our volume analysis on the twelve sampling days but if you move to the next table you'll see that if we take your total ton of refuse and total tons of recyclables reported to be delivered to the way synergy plan into the asylum or if you're at a lower pounds per recyclables proposal per year the question is why is that the case and hardly ever do we say this but we don't know quite frankly we don't know why your data on pounds per rig cycles per household based on your annual tonnage are not representative of the recovery rate data that we collected or of the twelve routes that we've sampled visually all that data would say that you're doing an excellent job the four hundred twenty one pounds of recyclables per year would say that is averaged over the last three right if you compare that with what we would expect for a municipality with your income level you would probably should be up closer to six hundred pounds per household or year and so the question is why is that the case is our professional opinion that there's a problem with the count of the actual household survey that knoxville they just set up carts for the first time and their household count was off by six thousand households so and they thought they knew what their household count was but they're much larger city which was knoxville tennessee  it's we don't know the answer to why that number is low and if that number were correct of four hundred twenty one pounds of recyclables browse well per year were correct then you would have more room for improvement then we believe i variable do people in belmont we don't know the air to do this they really are here twelve months out of the year they using the service you know most of the year they all have summer as are they are they on and we don't know are they ok sir my suggestion is it without putting them in the conditions or is this estimate is based on your survey yes the two dates that you did and that it's consistent with the estimates from the twelve days then you go to the next slide and households and then you get the pounds for household i'm not doing that because if if i have if i have an average of all the household to ten what you're saying is you think the assessors to count of households well  j how would they determine how does that accesses the term and the number of households that use or service we know it would be by property taxes that way you know it was in the the the truest way for us to find out how many households we picked for the recovery rate sampling the two days of recovery and sampling we talked both with jay and his crew and mike and mary beth and we talked with russell and we said what are what would you consider to be representative routes and so that's so we picked what routes that everyone in town believed were represented the routes for the season how we play into if you mentioned the summer months we can but we so we have void we we never do recovery rate sampling between say thanksgiving and beginning of january because of the christmas problem and we don't do recovery rate sampling in the middle of summer so we pick times that they finished their routes and how quickly they caught up with us when we were doing our visual analysis because we had done our sampling counts and based on what we assume were the route size and they were fast so and we've done a lot of trucks so we know basically how long it takes a truck so you add up all of those pieces and it is our professional opinion ok that you're doing a good job and that these numbers there's something wrong with the numbers it doesn't mean that we're idea of what you're spending per year per month what that cost per household so is so mean that you have nine thousand seven hundred sixty households were served and it's fifteen dollars and fifty one cents per month plus an estimated four dollars per household for refuse disposal which is billed separately and any allies cost per household roughly one hundred eighty six dollars for collection for two hundred thirty four dollars including disposal and i think that it's fair to say that we would consider your contract price to be reasonable it's certainly within the range of what we would expect for a municipality of your size and composition for those said the primary goal here was to learn about what size of a car would you give people if you were to go to a car face alexion the average household refuse set out was forty six gallons for a waste thirty five gallon car is insufficient for just under fifty percent of the households and it's our conclusion based on what we saw that with the participation rates of over ninety percent and recovery rates in the seventy two seventy eight percent there isn't enough recycling left in the refuse to allow you to force people into thirty five gallon cars based on the data forty five gallon cart would be sufficient for sixty percent of the households  and if you were to push that would be that you are pretty in the smallest size car that you would go to for forty right forty eight which is really what the standardize sizes and if you were to do that and you kept your open recycling bins and you dual stream recycling so that the recycling collector could see any contamination you might be ok if you switch to single stream carts where it's harder to monitor contamination then we would recommend sixty gallon cars for refuse we were like the state very big advocates of pushing people into smaller and smaller car size but we have professionally been taken back by the fairly rapid increase in contamination rates over the last four or five years that were seen at all of the recycling plants in new england and prosecution tree and so we're worried that if you push people to too small a car for refuse and give them a good size recycling cart it when they run out of room in their refuse car they tend to put it in the recycling so there are tradeoffs our findings are that the recycling set our rates are are high ninety one percent observed over very large portion of your municipality dysphasia rates are probably higher we think that you're doing an excellent job of of recycling with a relatively high recovery rates and low contamination rates and as you can see as now he was saying earlier ninety five percent participation multiplied by eighty percent recovery would give you a seventy six percent recovery rate and you're pretty close to that back if you maintain dual stream recycling but with carts you would need to have two recycling carts for for recycling as opposed to one and carts are expensive so one of the one of the impediments to maintaining dual stream recycling and moving to cart based collection system is that you're now added a whole nother part to your program at say sixty dollars per car car and one of the issues that we're seeing more and more of this i guess is called the amazon effect which is that more and more of the corrugated is being generated at the household as opposed to at the warehouse or  somewhere else and so corrugated has become a single item a real reason to go to big recycling cards so that people put all their corrugated in the car and don't throw it away because they don't want to break it up and separate from their bottles and cans and when it's collected it's kept separate on the truck there is two compartments on the truck one compartment has a paper makes paper and one has falls in hands and one is dumped the paper goes into one building casella in the bottles and cans go goes in another building the trend has been for probably the majority of communities in the united states now to have moved from dual stream to single stream which means that all of their paper in their bottles and cans replace in a single car and then it is separated mechanically at the recycling plant so if you were to move to single stream you would still be delivering to the casella murphy recycling plant but it would all be dumped in one building and they would mechanically remove the separate the paper from the bottles and cans and then sort by different grades so  may only refers to recycling materials if it does or still separate a collection of rows and that's a that's actually a very good observation because we have recognised it in the field that the term single stream has a lot of the public confused about what it means a lot of the public we believe believes think single stream means we put our refuse in a recycling altogether and they separated and so the state of massachusetts actually has been testing different terms trying to figure out what is a better term and we all are starting to realize that we're part of the reason contamination rates have gone up is as high as they have because as you say people think that single stream means we just throw it all in together and that's not the case all are really saying is that we want all your recycling in one container and all of your refuse in another and lastly zero sort which is also improve the aesthetics of belmont street so we have some pictures of the last live but you all live in the municipality you go out on recycling refuse day there's a lot of stuff out of the curb and if you automate refuse collection you would have to separate bulky waste collection because the only way that automated collection is less expensive or cart based automated collection is less expensive is if the driver doesn't have to get out of the truck so in other words they are picking up the cart with a joystick and i an arm and dumping it i've seen and heard from those and it is very fast if you if you were to provide carts and then go to what we call semi automated which means that the worker rolls the cart to the back of the truck runs a cart tipper and rolls back that's actually slower than the system you have now so the only real reason to go to carts it is if you can get it if you're looking for cost savings is if you can fully automate the collection system we would which spec up we would also  say that it would be best for you to move to a call in system for a book you waste and given that only about nine percent of your households are setting up all the ways on any given day and most municipalities have call in systems for you call and and then they can set a route and they can pick it up here the same day but just for the households that have low key ways out with a separate truck and then the other piece of we would recommend is that if you move to car basic lection that you automate refuse collection first and get an accurate count of the number of households that are actually using the service and then once you have that then you move to cart base collection for recyclables as a second phase i understood that the working group and in your firm considered all alternatives for did what happened with pay as you throw based on what we've seen here certainly pays you throw theirs is is a viable way to push more recycling because now you're paying for your refuse and there are a number of ways that you could you could do pay zero and i soon that you so i'm curious about your recommendations and so your your recommendations are based on the card system we were asked the primary goal of our part of the study was to look at what size cards you would need if you're to go to a card pay system and how well you're doing as a community recycling now will do all stream and without cars and our basic conclusions are that you're doing quite well given that you're  so what we're saying is that if you were to move to refuse collection with cards we would recommend sixty to sixty four gallon refuse cards and what presented with the cover that would cover five to a ninety five i have been by those same truck yes hundred five a national and and so we do want to we we were not recommending ninety five gallon cards because that makes it too convenient for people  to recycle in the refuse we as we're saying you might get away with forty a gallon carts we think that if you were doing in the future go to single stream collection recyclables you would probably be better off and keep your reply contamination rates lower with a sixty four gallon cart rather than a forty eight gallon cart were somewhat agnostic between the two of those and then what do you do this this addresses refuse but what do you do with recycling the same thing we're doing now so you can't so what we're suggesting is that you would start by going with refuse carts and keep your dual stream recycling and once you had an accurate delivery count for refuse carts then the next logical step would be to move to carts for recycling collection as well and once you move to that then you need you would have to make the decision whether you are going to keep dual stream or go to single stream and that's so that's a have and fifty percent more recycling and belmont has on average but that variation is a little bit disturbing and i think it impacts the decisions that the word ma around future trash things because contracts i think there's hundreds of thousands of dollars at stake and so i think you know we've got to look a little more closely at some of these  have not posted this on the websites  the it's always working committee or working groups use me we hired we were in conversations with the a some back in april of last year we hired them to do a  we went we had a brochure that we worked with the town of wakefield than other towns to get some ideas as to how we could properly educated our community and give them a basically a better visual as to how our current program is marybeth took members of the working group to bedford and wakefield in watertown to observe automated trash collection disseminate finished their presentation back in september we had presentations from the directors of both wakefield in burlington they both have one from traditional basically trash collection like we have and they went to automated  but they went with different burlington collects all their trash in one day and wakefield has a five day collection yeah wow one day gone y sixty five or sixty four you have sixty four all so and yes i mean as in jump and you time on this so sixty gallons trash container would meet a needs of seventy six percent of the residents we have low set out rate of bulky items less than ten percent i think you guys said nine percent in europe for ninety five percent of our residents recycle high recovery rates recyclables seventy seventy percent low contamination rates i'm just going everything that u s m c has said so what we're looking out for collection options there really is this is been going on since i sorry pages throw powerpoint presentation from two thousand and four and status quo automated in pages throw has been tossed around for many many years and belmont what we did decide as a working group is everything that you seeing green that all options have dual stream recycling potential to convert single stream we do know that there are vendors out there meaning typically with a changing it's that's a volatile market changes i just know one of the communities that i'm familiar with what had dual stream recycling and when they went out to bed the vendor gave them a pretty good deal your contract russell russell is getting paid a small amount of paper delivery if you were to go to a single stream you would either get a zero or a small tipping fever tipping a single stream what collection seventy percent down ten or fifteen percent but i can by going to single stream making your collection more efficient and then it's worth paying a little bit more for tipping that single stream because you're right  the curb this is a pro sorry bill maher has failed trash household ratio fourteen eighty pounds household in italy residents so need to be educated know upfront capital cost and no additional collection fees it's ok the cons it's unlimited trash is no environmental incentive it's more expensive it is the most expensive way to collect trash our traditional method to workers instead of one and untidy streets during election day windy day like we had the other day it's a nightmare for the hauler automated collection six this is this is what we talked about with the as a working group i'm a collection with sixty four gallon cart pros it's more efficient you know only one truck for collection kutztown work in conversation claims controls contract cost use of cart wheels limits trash statistically trash volumes are reduced environmental incentive create really don't even move once implemented long term savings achieving contracts move forward cons there is an upfront investment the carts basically equal out to the reduction in labor that we  typically but after year one in the past would be near three because usually we pay for all the equipment three years that's why we're asking for a five year to rise the car seat replacement and maintenance that would be something that we work with a holler on trash pick up islam is size of the real cart use of overflow bags optional and need for another cycling truck to a volume increases likely and that something that we would either work with a company like waste zero and have those bags distributed to local stores d p w yard town all people can buy sorry population the areas of town households that's how it's done like jay says they've been in and place for quite a long time we used to have a five day route we shunted to a four day route so that's that's how it's basically done when did you do that we did that back in the early ninety's and the reason being is we would never have liked to have trash picked up and belmont on saturdays because of all the stuff that saturdays so what we did was in the old days we would double up on the routes we would double up on a wednesday or thursday so that there would never be a trash being picked up on a on a saturday so by doing a four day route that always lead you were over the holiday as if the holidays on monday would just pumps everybody tuesday through friday if the whole were the holiday falls it just kicks it a day ahead so and it works out well personally are from some billboard and pay just throw is another option smart save money and reduce trash is what it stands for you can do it either traditional or automated so it is the best limit to limit trash it's the us best improper disposal of trash illegal dumping additional in foresman as required increasing contamination or recycling need for another recycling truck due to volume increases and possible  summary of possible if we do go down the road a lot of automation or pages throw based upon us going out to bid this fall there would be some possible policy changes by the  convert from a traditional system to army trash collection or pages throw and we would also be looking at limited you could you pay through automated as well you can so how do you do that if it's bad the town of upton has an a sixty four gallon container but all the bags what we are charged with as a committee or group we had environmental initiatives change in the livery service costs impacts the residence and cost impacts of the town so status quo environmentally least you know ever can see here this leas the least a solid waste working groups or as i know has not done an analysis of the environmental impact there one thing that you need to keep in mind is that the trucks can only do one side of the street and most of the manual trucks now can do both sides of street at the same time and go much faster and the other questionable piece of this is i think it's a subject of the change in delivery services least favorite for pay as you throw i don't think there's any evidence that says that residents particularly if the bank if it's a revenue neutral in the bag fee is returned to them and it's no added expense that that would be the case in fact there's polling data that  there a difference of opinion in the working group oh yes yes yes and how many people are in the working group there while in this room there is well doesn't have to be in this room i mean one i don't know nine might do you have nine people yes and then how many of the nine agree with this assessment i would so i'm a jar as a consensus i don't i don't know each and every one but as a consensus i mean at the last meeting we did have a consensus one person two people weren't there to do it do you vote on this or no no we tend not to vote we details in the collection because the working group would like to give very specific methods of collection when we go out to bid and in j when we need to make that decision for you to to share this information about the working group who have been diligently working for many months of course it's and very useful and then there will be another and from a short report it's time to share the findings of the working group and then the soft will be looking at making policy decisions and directions for in anticipation of a bid that would go out this fall ok well i would i would just mention that if there is a minority in the working group you may want to have a minority report and the reason i say that is when we dealt with the solar net metering question recommended one number and then a minority group wanted another and i think you know i would encourage you to vote i would encourage you to if there's not if there's not agreement that you know there could be a minority report explaining their asking you to weigh in on what you think would be appropriate in terms of getting pricing under different configurations and the plan i'm i'm suggesting to you that if there is a minority group in on  type of collection that they're looking for there isn't any collection that isn't put forward that is missing ok but i'm repeating myself now because i just heard from one member of the group that they don't agree with th and what i'm saying is we don't want to let that sleeping dog lie we want we want if if if there is a segment a minority segment of the of the committee that that thinks that that assessment should be different and they have the data to support it as far as i'm concerned they should report there are that there are segment we look at both of them and that reduces the conflict allows us to move on together i think we agree ok massachusetts board of selectmen proclamation whereas the citizens of belmont take great pride in their trees and appreciate their measurable value to the environment and two thousand and seventeen will be the thirty second year belmont has been awarded recognition arson recreation and rest but entries in force in belmont reduce energy demands for heating cooling moderating that moderate the temperatures clean the air remove carbon dioxide from the air produce oxygen and provide habitat for birds and wildlife and trees in the town of belmont increased from pretty values enhanced economic viability of the business areas beautiful our community improve our quality of life and trees wherever they are planted are a source of joy and spiritual renewal now therefore we the board of selectmen declare friday april twenty eighth two thousand and seventeen to be arbor day in the town of belmont we urge the town's employees civic organizations club businesses and schools to join in a concerted effort to plant trees throughout the community on their properties to protect and care for our trees in woodlands and to join in the observances and celebrations of go through the articles and then yeah and then i'm happy to do that i can do that o to get on our counter we just don't have as you can tell me it's seven tonight we have been very busy a lot of work to do so the point was this if if if it works effectively that at least they have a point member of if they have any concerns if they want to get on the agenda of any points of view that they were expressing to that appointed member of the board and so he has them to contact us to right and then for you to go to the means for that who the traffic committee the traffic commission every time because it's not necessary but glen knows that he can call me you know if if he wants to talk about something ok and i think this is also a good way to  delegate responsibilities that you know we have sixty six committees and you know at some point when we get some breathing room we probably should take a look at you know whether we're servicing all the committees that we should be servicing and maybe maybe we should take some of this list for example the economic development committee we kind of suspended that for a while because we we need time to to get their charter in so i mean you know i'm i'm still working on that with them  and then you know mark scott specific interest the the war committee will fall to me the capital budget committee will fall tomorrow mean there's some that we should just let maybe asterisk the ones that are extension tory member as opposed to just someone as a sounding board that's i think that's i think that's a good point because i think you want to divvy up the ones where you actually go to the meeting and vote more and that's a good point which  introduced to those issues and you don't have to go to every meeting it's that you know i think that makes sense out of the terrible or that he should remain and that's the point making ok well meaning like he's the chair i know a lot about the like committee that in town my goodness those people are good at what they do conservation committee commission i'd be interested in that williams how do you guys feel fine i'm fine ok economic development i'm going we were we talked about i think part of our i think we what we came up with was we talked about strategic direction how we begin the meeting jim which was important that we would say for a while they were saying we need to continue to consider no i've the permanent audit committee i'm going to again suggest that you do that and there's a very good reason for it if you want to understand the town's financials and the like companies financials it meets like four times a year and you go to a two hour meeting in the morning and you know you're grabbing for what's going and in some of this has to do with life going forward not just this year you know so that if something happens and you know as your responsibilities increase on the board you're going to want to know how this how this stuff works only it's a good idea i served on it jim served on it  board we could eliminate that and ask them to meet with us for the if there's something coming on the warrant like this coming on the warrant i meet with us from but you know the recreation committee you know i'm aware of what they're doing but i don't go to their meetings unless i'm ask i do get their minutes yes it's of interest to me i think say yeah ok i'm going to stay school committee adam has already taken that traffic advisory i think i'll stay on the war committee  i have two things one is i prepared this brief financial summary for you guys yes and i would just adam i already talked to him about it when he was  government activities business type activities and to do sherry activities this is on the town financials rule yes ok there isn't anything else that those are the only three things that that we report fiduciary activities you know what they are because we can use in the of those funds right it's pension opeth and then a couple of other ones business to type activities for the province or the enterprise fund which is water sewer and light in government activities everything else right so all of those entities government activities in the free enterprise funds they all made money this last year in two thousand and sixteen so it was a million for for government activities and five point five million for the enterprise funds the total size of the business is one hundred fifty five million dollars ok it's not one hundred it's one hundred  fifty five and that's not my opinion it's a matter of fact so you can look at these financial statements numbers on page sixteen year in some point will get it the way it's presented is that they give you the expenses first and then they you know they have a revenue flip here which i've summarized in my remarks but this is where you see on the bottom here the one fifty six that's our total expenses it's not one hundred it's not ninety five it's one hundred fifty six million and the charges for services are forty eight operating grants and contributions are eighteen capital grants and then you get a new revenue when you come come back over to this side and that's where the real estate taxes come in you know ok so this is what this is an income statement is what it is like ok is it gets kind of backwards and upside down then the next one is the cruel balance sheet ok so you'll see that we have total assets for the government of two hundred ten million in total liabilities of two hundred nine million ok that's how big the government is two hundred ten in assets two hundred nine in total liabilities we have a net position of seven four point five million business type activities the total assets are one thirty three the liabilities are eighty seven and we have a net position of forty four million but that is skewed by the light department look at the light apartment because we issued those bonds and we're building that substation there's a whole story behind that so that's not it that's not a situation normal that's going to shrink now that we've you know sold the ever source assets back to them and there isn't anything else the other two things i want to bring your attention to is if you look at the nine current liabilities on on the balance sheet the the net pension liability went from went went to seventy five million it was sixty two million last because those are the numbers that i don't think prop two and a half into this a paid you know in terms of funding and it's something that that we need the three of us need to decide how we're going to do this going discussions on how are going to build a spread sheet to make this manage ok so that's it anybody got anything else you know so there is one other thing i want to mention and that is that i was working with some people on the parking you know working between the business the business group and the farmer's market we're going to organize the meeting with them but do you remember the electric vehicle charging stations we have brought that up at one point yeah i would look at that we don't have to settle it tonight but i just want to let you know it involves more than parking space in there and they're going to go with doing that you know i'm working with people on it and we're trying to bring those two groups together but then i found out that there are those other concern about the electric the have charging stations and so i'm just bringing it to your attention phyllis and i figure something out and we'll get it back on the