league for peace and for and i sit before you today with two requests for one for the mayor of the city of new ski and one for the city council my request of the mayor is our organization is hoping that you might consider becoming a mayor for peace we reached out to you via e mail and had an opportunity to meet with jesse baker to talk a little bit about this it is a wonderful international organization that supports peace and actions that does bring people from all over the world to our community and i think it is really important that we do you know put our money where our mouth is even when it's a thousand dollars when it comes to speaking a message of world peace and that we really need to be doing what we can to make sure that that message is really in the forefront which brings me to my second request and i have a little bit of literature here and the hardest part of my day was going to staples today  but the united nations has passed a resolution to disarm the world of nuclear weapons and even though the united states is not going to sign on to that resolution history has shown us that when these resolutions that are passed by the united states do be international law that even though the united states does not sign on to they do comply with this it's happened with cluster bombs it's happened with other with mustard gas and other things we are when these things become international law even when the united states refuses to sign on to them at the beginning of the process or when they become start to be talked about when they become law at the united nations the united states does follow suit so this is just a first step in that process other organizations across the country are requesting that city councils and mayors take the step to just request that our country sign on to the nuclear test ban treaty that the united nations has passed there are over one hundred nations that have already signed on to it there are thirty that have ratified it when they get to pulled on vote on take place on august fourteenth and thanks to nicole and eric for carrying a lot of the water on that as well so this weekend i'm resident should receive flyers post cards in their mailbox reminding them about the boat we've done the release and facebook social media events announcements about that about the upcoming vote on july twenty fifth at six thirty here i believe during the the services commission meeting they'll  question answer period where people can come in and learn more about the bottle and have their questions answered august first i believe all the table wednesdays with similar information and i'll get six here as part of the next regular council meeting will be the official public airing so if you're curious about the full one hundred and want more information for the times that you can get more information i also wanted to touch base on the master plan schedule i sent that schedule around to all city commission members in the plan aligned to the strategic vision area so if you all are interested in hearing what's going on welcome you to attend the planning commission meeting as well as members of the public and if you have any questions about the master plan process or ideas for the planning commission to think about encourage you to e mail masterplan at key dot org and i'll go straight into eric's inbox events and fun stuff it's the summer so have a lot of fun stuff going on july twenty ninth from one to police is also putting together an urban camp out which were super excited about some people are interesting coming in spending the night outside with us in passive and park that will be august eleventh into twelfth that overnights twenty dollars prete finally we are doing a football conditioning camp her kids in kindergarten to eighth grade the week of august eighth it's free and open to the public and you can register through the my record website or here at city hall a planning commission meeting here too since last monday night actually i think we have two great progress here some feedback coming in from the commission's work on economic development this last go around the conversations i think are finding their rhythm on the level of focus and if you tell that they're going to have capacity to get into any each topic which i think for this is pretty natural but excited to see that central part of the session it's going to focus on our zoning and the work that was done to put into place the most progressive code in zoning in the state so it's a great hon really very strong candidates we're very fortunate to have really strong candidates and erick quickly rose to the top of that pac he is a certified urban planner and he most recently came to us from central vermont regional planning commission as their actually i didn't know there was wor my wife and i moved here about two and a half years ago so so yeah not not a whole lot of time but long enough to know that this is a great place to be it's also well that's nice perspective to have coming have worked in other parts to mrs you know this is the big the big thing obviously on our plate for this year we've talked a lot about it was our city updating its municipal clan and making a meaningful document for the communities food sure that can really steer investments and make those kinds of strategic conversations that we have give a lot of context to it and a lot of guidance and direction on that so that i know we is decision makers are looking for that i think it's something with the whole everyone city staff has received a sidewalk usage the permit application from first full circle at thirty five west allen right over here on the corner of weaver and west now and business owner melissa mels would like to hold periodic sidewalk sales over there on a six foot table along the wall on the weaver street side there's a double sidewalk there i think she's planning to do it infrequently but wants to have access to that for the season and the sidewalk would remain accessible with  and evening everyone so i'm going to actually turn this over to these guys give a brief introduction so as per the head works upgrade projects we are funded through clean water issue a letter of intense for new significant impacts and that's that's because we are located in the hundred year flood zone so there are there is a footprint of our building in the hundred year flood impact but it doesn't at the low point the system sort of it's not something that we haven't seen before in the proposed edwards building is right on the edge of the what that flood insurance map shows as the hundred year flood zone is part of this federal regulation that somebody can make a recommendation to you look at a different site for the construction of the fence the reasoning behind that and yeah perhaps and very likely financially  determining future of what we we do for we were shooting for any multi modal events so but for the the pilot what i think we learned from that is you know it at we look at it as train improvements for the quarter that's one thing we were really we didn't have good data on at the beginning but seeing and talking with community members there's opportunities for additional crosswalks was seen as a very challenging thing for some members of our community from staff perspective we really appreciate a community that's willing to try things you know when he's guilty historically has pushed the on flow on a lot of different fronts and it's it's we're very thankful to the community to be willing to pilot a new innovations learn from them and of course corrected make decisions based on what we've learned so we know it's destructive to many and we heard from that consistently through the process you know we we are watered from our appreciation standpoint why people want to move here as being very walkable connected community when it comes to transportation this is not something that some he said in the back office and cooked up in their head and said you know this is my idea and i think we should just as the other this is actually taken from all walks and lots and lots of public feedback and several public meetings with one hundred folks in these he think one of the reasons there was i mean the weaver street plan was part of the transportation master plan but it also think came up in the context of the main street proposal and folks were really interested in seeing a buy facility be part of the reply is ation proposal and the response back was were we're going to look at lever street so now that we know that that's not feasible city functions can play and i mean the other thing we're looking at is there's projects north south that are going to be you know the next few years coming online that are adding cities if the interchange goes in the as the mayor says that plan for main street is still to have that protected uphill climb lane which was really the concern we heard from the community as part of the main street project we were then also heard this interest in that that do away street downhill with the traffic and keep up with when the bike traffic can keep up with traffic and similarly on lever street and i think will want to watch what happens along weaver street as bicyclists either choose to move more over to leave or s be more of an awareness to drivers you know that makes the point to the when people start to say it's nerve wracking driving down the street it's nerve wracking because you're used to going to fast  points and then argue against the folks of maine but i think that's a broader general discussion where we are trying very actively to make people slow down throughout the community not just in this project but that's something that they should people generally get used to because that's the feedback that we've partnerships so i will start this and hand it over to ray and other partners that we have here in the room as well so when we came to you at our last regular meeting in june we had talked about coming back at this meeting with building namely the private fitness center we had been working with for many months and thank you for there they are our patients with us as well pulled out of the project and said that they because of the finances required it really was not something they could continue to work on so grand i reached out to the a medical center and asked them to come in and think about other innovations that we could bring to the table and so they did in large force which was great we spent a couple or we spent an hour with about fourteen members of their leadership team last week and then they spent another couple of hours brainstorming i'm so really what we're here to talk about today is is that potential and your the library footprint within the core of the building and making it more of an early education hub and more flexible space to reflect with the how the community is currently using the the small print footprint of the library you know i think that's great great table saying and you know again it's it's been wandering path looking to get to this point so it's i'm curious to see how the conversation goes kind of the feedback i think might be useful is several months ago when we were here talking about this one of the things i'm your body articulated was an interest in really fully utilizing the building to be as much open access as possible to service many needs in our community as possible not be soley appointment only for example so to you v m sees credit they've spent a lot of time in their leadership team thinking about how to kind of reach that value that the council has held in the past and have come up with three different ways of potentially expanding their partnership with stan and frankly center and that's outlined in the final two pages of this memo from us but i wanted to also give the v m c team time to walk through those three concepts if you are interested or i can do it for you a footprint so first concept is expanding those expanding to other kind of traditional appointment rehabilitation services expanding the footprint of the gym and allowing that gym to have open access time garner from on the services side of things to offer to our residents and then the third concept is you vehemency does currently offer some really interesting nutritional services that are that often sell out be both for paid services as well as open access services that we would partner i'm so those are the three very broad level i hope inappropriate words into any of your mouths broad level concepts and the question for you all tonight is i think their team is excited to think about some of these options but also needs to go through their internal administrative process to build out these new service delivery arms that would be essentially  budgeter as the new fiscal year starts and so they don't want to spend a whole lot of time on that if it's not something we're interested in leasing to them and so i wanted some feedback from you our cat is this something staff can continue to work with them to explore and i think specifically what they're interested in is the footprint of the complete footprint of the y m c a space minus the large gym in the back and then the kid potentially the kitchen and potentially the community ok housed opportunities for community members to access service offerings that they may not otherwise receive in the initial conversations there was just this basic concern expressed about whether or not what was being discussed was excess fuel not for the entire community or not to me when i read this this takes huge leaps and bounds to get us to a place where it's it's providing that broad based know i don't know if you want to take a stab at that or your i can't either way i think it's a little bit in development at this moment still certainly this is very conceptual in nature i think  credit to i think you know a lot of these free or k v a services walkin services are not necessarily in the financial business model that waddles her custom to working on and i've really appreciated just the creativity and open minds that folks have come to the heard the feedback and combine the simple concepts here but with that said it's going next i mean i think there's got to be realistically already generating to t happen here so again it's hard to say what exactly that mix is going to look like i think some health related service in the city budget projections of the black in two thousand and twenty that's that is the hope i think that as we look at that i think it is important to point out  that i tried to do that in the version that were science by highlighting those pieces and culture you know i think in the black does indicate in some cases expanded subsidy from the cities so i think with the library footprint moving from current location to a new question there that i think we need to consider as a city and i think the gym too you know depending on how that does or doesn't fall into the e b m footprint of your medical footprint it does become an interesting space to try to run so i think and by understanding challenging you know it's on the back of the building there's not a storefront so i think that's a question too we've sort of projected here you know worst case so square footage times anticipated these dollar per square foot what would that cost be to the city i think it ends up just shy of thirty thousand dollars additional you know i do think that there would be ways for us to bring that number down partnering with other organizations renting that out to you know as you've been structure of other fitness groups or whatnot and i certainly think for magically we could keep a space like got busy especially in the winter months but also really want to call that out as an area where that's a philosophical conversation i think we would need to have as a city to say this could be a really great resource to the tune of thirty thousand dollars is that something we're willing to kind of look at consider or is that sort of deal to figure out a different way to lease that out to a third party so again i those in the spreadsheets wanted to sort of highlight that by calling those pieces out and brad ah but if someone were painting on that which at this point maybe could happen maybe not we would be projecting again that curve turning up into the the block by sitting on it because of the negotiations with snap and one not knowing what the future is going to look like now that we've got to say clarity but at least a little bit more information about that short term on the gym we de to get that busy again think that's the conversation point to say is that is their willingness to explore that he was certainly are and i don't think if the answer is yes then we sit back and turns up and say great you know there's work for us to do again i think finding partners  folks at the mine a great architecture they were on a really tight timeline to turn this around for us and did a fantastic job and to amanda as well who made herself super available throughout the last couple weeks to just pick up a phone call you know a moment's notice so as we come to you and talked about not think a meeting or two back looking at this back sort of southwest corner of doc horror of the appliance center as a potential landing spot for a new library footprint  so in front of you here is a conceptual car potential drawing of what that could look like again this this i think represents operationally a lot of really significant improvements for the library just better sight lines and a more segmented and flexible space some better office and small meeting facilities for community members and staff i think that's something we certainly struggle with as an apartment and i think it just is or earlier point it doesn't really help to stir co locating a number of community services team members in one footprint so that in theory for clients community members coming in it's an easier sort of a one stop shop to come in and get here your can and kind of recreational needs met so i think from a conceptual standpoint i certainly would love to hear any thoughts comments again this is conceptual in nature that's sort of where we expected we would get to from a design perspective and then i think to jump into the budgetary piece second and get into those details a little bit but i just wanted to sort of get a quick reaction to the design itself and any thoughts there are things that jump off the page before we jump into the budget founder for that again expressing positivity about that the concepts are dependent on tonight's conversation our plan is to send this to them and sort of move to the next phase but i think as we looked at the details of the budget  think there's plenty of places for us to tag that promise key monies against this project in a straight line way you know i don't think we're having to swing too hard at it to see that th finances can get invested in ways that will improve the facility for family and and little kids so that was encouraging too i think to see from a financial perspective to most double the space this is money percent gain and  space which is significant you know i think it's still it's still not such a free and still a small community library but i think again it gives us a little bit more flexibility to perve a space in creative ways for us is now where it's you know i current so so operationally it above and beyond what's currently being invested in this space and just to remind folks that the library is currently paying a lease annually so now that this building is in the general fund that's a little bit of that one pocket into another but we're still carry him in the library budget of thirty thousand dollars annually so this expanded footprint inclusive  the library payment recreation is paying in about sixty five hundred dollars annually at present for their space and then there would be skipping only summer we would expect we're estimating about half of their kind of these payments would come back into this facility additional subsidy into the facility annually so again i think a full stop the whole conversation that we started to have a few meetings behind i will say at that meeting we had come to you with i think it was just shy of seven thousand dollars of additional funding the reason that got jumped to thirteen is that we the current city offices were not considered as part of the new schole floor plan we were going to kind of keep that as a separate space and try to lease that out separately as we got into the design work on his team it became pretty clear that that was going to put some pretty big constraints on the design so we chose to move ahead in our command kind of so that's what that extra six or seven thousand dollars annually comes from is that  purpose any new revenue above expenses in future years would have to be it would kind of be lumped into us or plus at the end of the year it would have to be specifically designated to be part of that reserve otherwise it would stay in the big pool of designated reserves know so i guess what i'm trying to get it are we going to have to raise taxes in order to pay for this concept is probably the easiest way that when i'm trying to think we have to raise the money from property taxes and pay the rent to ourselves so the way i see it in large numbers but i think we owe you a much better financial analysis on this on we meet so i think there is an open question about the gym which would be very hard to lease and do we start quote unquote subsidizing that with city dollars and then a question an open question about the existing library for the current library footprint and do we try and keep that as community room space or do we try and use some of this new library model with a gym with the senior center with other space and try and lease up the current library depending on how we go down the path with those conversations i think if we keep the current library public community spirit of the new community room and expand its footprint and take over the gym we will have to raise taxes to support the idea i don't think there's any way around that  think there might be a middle ground model if we think about leasing that very attractive storefront that is the current library and doing new revenue models with our existing with the new library footprint and then jim to bring in we're going to be available for community use and would encourage that model conversation scotians in those spaces you know we salute it wouldn't be that much sure that many but that space is seen as a valuable move i mean i think there's the operating impact and then there's a capital investment up front you know we've talked about again being able to leverage the promise community funding against the bottom lines here which ends up being about two hundred eighty per the conceptual budget  you know that leaves a gap and so there's a couple grants on tonight's agenda that we're certainly wanting to explore that i think will be competitive for but i do just want to be really clear that that could represent an investment up front and in a new facility so i think there's two kind of financial questions there's the upfront capital invest that and then there's the ongoing subsidization over time so i just think to call those out very clearly is important i think this if you know it project so we do at the end of this month and one we'd like to pursue and move ahead with so it's for up to twenty five thousand dollars for the b b s korea and again we're pretty excited to  funding this is actually funding i've used in the past in a previous job it's a great funding source that really supports good projects and it's not unlike the land water conservation fund which has that sort of expectation in perpetuity to my knowledge this does not  which i don't feel like that's what we're talking about here i think i think that's a fair question i think with the green light night and given the timeline on the promise communities grant we're going to work quickly to try to get there  i think that's a fair question and i think of you a question for the father as well to consider the nice thing is it as an in will find if they determine for whatever reason they were not eligible this year it's a it's a recycled lot of occasion for future space i noticed that as well the questions so clearly different process here with the required letter of intent for this foundation funding so we are requesting permission here to submit a letter of an interest to the chair condition for a grant of up to fifty thousand dollars  budget numbers based on historically funded project amount so to fund the higher end of what they funded for projects but we wanted to come leave ourselves up flexibility in our letter of interest to make that i ask him and work with him to get to an appropriate funding level for it so i think any just in terms of how we're approaching funders you know around these projects i think   and see but i mean it is alternately up to you all if you if you if you don't approve as applying for this these funds for this project be well so it is it is your priority you'll see if the same standard package the memo that we've been using before we do have a slightly different set of rules here and we have last year although many of them have remained somewhat similar and it set up slightly differently with must do we'll do in may do priorities and i'm happy to approach this in any way like we do i can walk you through the must do priorities and really highlight those or i can walk you through the entire memo if you ok so those three must do priorities for the year were implemented parking study primarily access control signage data and management and the parking at work toward full to build out with an emphasis on the hotel and lotty and promote business and employee and employment retention and expansion and i'm not going to go through all those individual bullets but i will discuss them later on as you'll see we've implementing the parking study and working toward full tift build out as proceeding but slower than planned the parking site a part of that is about us not having designated staff that specifically deals with parking so we have a team of people working on that there is forward motion on it right now but it is a lot slower than we had hoped work on the full to build out continues and it's complicated burlington on and preventing a shared parking app it's been reviewed by our city attorney and we are waiting on some answers back from them on just a couple key questions and they will be signing off on the contract and should be rolling out the new parking out and in addition to that  one of the things that over the last couple years has been our in our radar is doing away finding study for downtown but we've been using the municipal planning grants for municipal plan so so this year we recommend that we apply for a municipal planning grant for the way finding study applications are due on october first and all come back to council with a request for that so that will help move it forward as well in terms of promoting business and employment retention and expansion that's been something that's been ongoing so i've been reporting on it but there are more specifics here about your direction to us about how to go forward so since that just at the basic level since the april update  ski one of the things that i'm finding is a lack of available space with commercial kitchens or the possibility of having a commercial kitchen for restaurants is a limiting factor and it serves as a barrier to many potential new businesses so construction of new restaurants spaces would create opportunities for new business owners in when you ski we also did the business roundtable to discuss the main street redevelopment project and kind of head off any concerns that mean street mrs might have and be sure that we're there from the beginning talking about ways will need to assist business as we go forward with the project if we go forward with the project so i directly conducted in person visits to all the businesses on main street above the rail bridge to discuss the project to receive input and feedback and to invite the business community to participate in the roundtable maybe it was a little bit too early because we got one person who attended the business roundtable but nonetheless we have done the initial outreach and will continue to do that probably doing another round table in august targeted business recruitment is ongoing based on community need and what was expressed in the economic development strategic plan so specifically i've done some  to ace hardware about bringing in a hardware store as one of the top two requested businesses and apparently now i'll be doing a lot more outreach about a gym retention for our large scale employers usually involves  work to find parking solutions larger spaces for expanding businesses and attraction of necessary workforce so the specific directions that we were given per the latest discussion of policies and priorities was to conduct a parcel and data analysis to understand our baseline of local businesses and then to use city resources to create opportunities for locally owned business start ups and expansions use city resources to create employment opportunities for residents and expand availability of goods and services for residents to promote business and employment retention expansion within the context of the need for city wide financial sustainability and i've included in here for you i've done the first piece of personal analysis i know there's been a lot of concern about main street so i did a partial analysis of the businesses on main street above the rail bridge and it shows you here the results of that local business analysis and it really depends on how you're defining local so i've broken it out as percentage that of a new scheme based ownership and that's twenty nine percent of the businesses on main street chittenden county based ownership that's eighty seven percent of the business is about the real bridge on main street and vermont based on our ship would represent ninety four percent of the businesses of the rail bridge on main street so based on this an initial analysis which i think probably will hold for much of our business community it will probably be fairly representative i would love to have further direction from you on how far you want me to go in doing a personal analysis one do you want me to do every business in the city and how should we focus our efforts in moving forward gateway that's where the pressure would be and he development pressure since the ok great i'm happy to move forward in that way and in terms of maintaining local business what is the definition of local that you all take away from that is that we like the mix we currently have so this is our baseline mix of trying to keep about a third of a new skill and the vast majority of a lot owned as we think about how to use our resources to retain businesses and to welcome new businesses in for use in this target this baseline target is what we want to retain that gives us a good direction as opposed to saying no we really want to take some of you know maybe you shouldn't miss going to businesses now they're all the other the other piece is the following paragraph which really speaks about the fact that some of the most desired businesses by the community are less likely to be locally owned like a full service grocery store is less likely but would have a huge economic impact on the community so i think you have to constantly be balancing those two things in addition of getting one tenant for the country home product space could have a tremendous impact on all of our local economic vitality so you know kind of doing a dance back and forth between those two might be appropriate place ownership moving business is not to needed to change that dramatic i think that that that's a naturally occurring phenomenon and i think to the extent we're devoting city resources to be good to make sure that we're paying attention to the needs of local business and owners of a nice hardware store locally was one of the presenters so i ran up like a little freak show right after they were as my car let's say hocks now i've met with them a couple times and it's time for me to follow up with them again but they had diverted their efforts to another i'm other highlights from other efforts that staff have prioritized the will do so as opposed to the must use streamlining the permitting process can now begin as we have eric and staff to kind of lead that charge the implementation of the economic development strategic plan is ongoing the first immediate term recommendation was rolling out the windows the small business loan program which has been completed the next immediate term will be to establish a website tools that make it a more direct point of contact when businesses are developers are interested in coming to the say and we're in process with that and we have executed a contract with civic plus to design a new website utilizing the new branding and we had the project kick to kick off last week on wednesday so that is progressing supporting the downtown when you ski organization to be a valuable resource to support the business community and city wide vibrant recently the board has begun to discuss possible strategies for moving to hire professional staff to lead the organization they've been a board run organization since january and they're finding that while there they were catalyzed by the emergency it is a lot so i think that those will be ongoing conversations in terms of monitoring for gentrification indicators  first put together the monitoring plan it was made a year and then we had a new census data it's primarily based on the community u s census data so i was able to do it a second time in the same year because data had just come out but now it is really come home to me that it only comes out once annually so it's providing a useful monitoring tool for gentrification i recommend that we do it once a  year when the census data comes out so i can give you the census to census tract analysis that doesn't mean that we're not aware of and attempting to mitigate any potential signs of gentrification in particular the housing commission is developing recommended policies to avoid displacement of existing residents and strategies to avoid growing income disparity between renters and homeowners so that will be ongoing  capturing data pre development and some cases so i just wonder whether that is the last one to two thousand and sixteen so two thousand and sixteen covered river house riverrun peking duck house which is not called that is milhouse so there are most of the development that has happened in the city is captured in the last one that i saw it was two thousand sixty two thousand and sixteen so in two thousand and three we'll get two thousand and seventeen well we do surveyed information through the rental registry and other sources and just for the full range of indicators it's it's an ad a census level which is how gentrification is determined it's the only way that i would have that range of indicators i mean we could certainly look at rental registry i haven't received that this is real and the real challenge for the c s is just remember estimates right  parcels and who's looking at projects and even looking out in the next two or three construction seasons i think are pretty much on track you know the market could drastically change i think we're seeing now with construction costs increasing and  are just the last two pieces a small business loan program there been six potential businesses referred to the program one of my and and i think we should be evaluating this regularly to see if it you know if it's effective if it's not affected we need to make some changes to the program guidelines and impact fees we are still on point and should be receiving back for you to be receiving back draft structure in fall this year assessment process basically whereby we go sort of generally or point out to the community and hear more definitively from the community what do you guys want to see you know i think as a recreation department of one staff person one american member we want to really make sure as we're investing in a particularly scientific process so the goal here would be to work with a seed to develop work with them to deliver develop the baseline process that we could then reuse incrementally in the future every few years to sort of reevaluate with those tools at hand and wouldn't have to go back out and kind of work with a consulting firm so it's moving here to develop a process and tools that we can then use in house in the future so i think it's a really nice investment here  upfront to kind of more formally establish a baseline get some of those community needs questions met and then have a tool that we can use into the future to do that you know every two three four years depending again a community that procedure to follow at this point i mean not a formal want to get i think we're working off for a half year old data that resulted from the survey monkey tool that we developed in house here so i think by my kind of looking to some professionals within the recreation field to do tools that we can implement at the end of programming looking at some cost recovery model development too that's something we've wanted to do but again i think bringing some of the professional expertise to the table to help us develop doc would be pretty huge  so as we look at you know two conversation we've had here a lot which programs do we subsidize with programs do we not you know how do we set fee structures that are appropriate to the programs in the community i think that some of the analysis and guidance that they can provide upfront and then we can then use into the that people then expect to see something that looks like what they said they want and so forth and to me that there's something real and dose of reality  the conversation as lame as that may be in terms of you know losing creativity and excitement but at the same time we're now we're now in a position you know we just had this conversation yeah i mean i think i think it's a two things there number one is we've had pretty extensive conversations through the development of this with c n n and they understand what we are you know rumored to permit us to keep well we were not going to be able to grow stuff dramatically so i think as we've worked to develop this they understand that having met with us in person i don't think in any way that's the expectation as in how come of this because the other thing i'd say is that we are really keenly aware that we're not going to be able to deliver every program that happens in the city and that's just not a reality of a department of two and so what i hope is that as we get responses and be back in the community we can then be more intentional about going out and courting partners and figuring out who are those outside agencies we can bring in and partner with to live are the services that people want going to fall solutions that we're going to be able to stand up every program people kind of check by right next to i understand that it's important that the people participating in the  how to sort of frame again how to frame a night in such a way that it doesn't deter people from participating in a kind of cast a cloud over graphic graphic but i think it's a certain certainly a very fair question but again i think because the flipside of that for me is if we do have limited resources to of what we learn but we're not intending to do sort of a person open space analysis through this phase of a process this is really more about events and programs and then we'll have to figure out do we have the facilities to deliver those if not you know what are the steps we need to take to get so whether that looks like just reducing our revenue projections or actually setting aside budget money for cost recovery one thinking you and i don't have it i don't have the answer what that she looked like but i think our hope is that community with some culturally intelligent approaches to get the right kind of it's a great question i think it's one jesse brought up in the hearing that certainly it was one that jumped out to us as well part of doing this project on the budget there we're proposing here is that a lot of the legwork and kind of groundwork is going to be driven by staff and volunteers so we're not paying a consultant necessarily to be at every event and go knock on doors that gets praise here really quickly so i think we've tried to thread a needle here getting the professionals to the table to help us develop the tools and then we're going to rely on on staff in those local experts to help and will not some of the scene i think it's relying on the relationships that we have ideally expanding in cultivating this further you know the ale these of european agreement with these organizations those kind of bread and butter groups that we're working on wahoo with and really working directly with those partners to help get this into the right hands and get the right responses back it's certainly something we're really keenly aware of and and going to stay on top of a year i mean i think you see a lot of colorado roscoe you know it's big resort recreation towns and i think in talking to drew and  sort of the team as he is one of the things about this project that was really exciting for them is that it isn't like the rest of their portfolio it's it's a very different community and i think they were really excited at that opportunity and being locally they get what would you ski's about they areas and we've outlined a proposal of how that could be done so i want to give you all an opportunity to give us a little more feedback on how any thoughts you have on not and if generally y feedback on how we could improve our support to the commissions we heard from you although we would like to have a meeting with the current commissioners to talk about this concept and to talk about how you know to feed some of the data we're hearing from them back process of updating the charters and launching a new system we'd also talked at the retreat about developing inclusionary policies and training opportunities so i don't want to lose that thread and want to have that i wanted to get your feedback to the efforts you would like us to undertake to support that effort and then also want to outline the process improvement we've see we've already internally discussed about how to provide more systematic feedback to the commissions and give them the tools they need to do their work and probably wish we'd heard some kind of really interesting ideas already through the survey a they actually brought this up in the meeting as well the idea of having all commissioners all commissions meet on the same night of the month to enable us to lower some of those barriers to entry so provide childcare on a night per per so far they've adopted this rooted your vision as the guiding concept for that and if so right now it's being written in a way where that it's there grouping things underneath those but there so i guess my initial reaction to that is and you had some heard me say this before i think one of our enormous communities strengths right now is that we have a strategic we have so much alignment to the strategic vision so i would and i agree with you i think that the planning commission is the right place right now to conversations if we're going to fine tune or tweak the strategic vision areas and i would i would i want to do a lot to ensure that least a aligned to shared goals i don't i don't think they care if they're those those just those specific words i think certainly fine tuning of those words and concepts of foreign and and you know their three and a half years old at this point correct the doctor to them for a few months so i mean and so it's a good time to check back in so i think it's a i think the frustrating thing with not moving forward with this now or pressing cars are slowing down a little bit is that  if the word is out that we're thinking about this as some of the commission's me feel even more uncertain about what they're working on but if that's the case for four or five months while they provide feedback through the master planning process and engage in that process engagement committee should play and i think that does make a lot of sense and ensures that we maintain not alignment to a structure and just of the council knows the conversation the mayor is alluding to is the planning commission took up on thursday night the economic vitality chapter and had started to have that conversation about small town that remember it the small town feel language and how we define that and what that means to us and is that the right fraser is some other other phrase other definition capturing the sense of community and connectedness we want to make sure we maintain them so i think we're happy to mad think there are aspects of this i think we can still have conversations about lowering barriers they could be said can still work on inclusionary policies i think we can still work on training procedures were really there i just think it would be a good thing to run up to say planning commission maybe after next meeting we're thinking about doing this you are us good with the way this is before we really  relatively new to this structure as a whole and has really only had the conversation last hard about economic vitality they'll start that you know school infrastructure conversation in the next meeting i would like to give them some room as a group if we're really going to allow them to run with that concept of are these the right value statements i'd like them to get to the conversations about all that before you really ask and that that's work will be done by city in september that's not work that's going to bleed over into the city because that's how one oriented commission work i mean this is all now trying to ensure that the commissions are so who are doing the focus you know areas for the city and the work that we're trying to achieve rather than operational you know activities within department of the idea of moving from departments to strategies like the idea of going to one day and really thinking about lowering those barriers want to give the planning commission room to kind of run and finish a process i also think that there is going to be a really just meant on the commit especially for it is a healthy connected commission there is going to be some adjustment there and i think that there there is a value to waiting so to waiting until the planning commission does the work on the implementation plan of the master plan to recruit members so over the next couple of months they're doing one and a half meetings each about each content area and then spending time working on the in the mentation plan of all those content areas and i think those community conversations about what the implementation looks like would be one good to have before we give the charges to the commission because really those implementation plans are the charges for the commission and to those community conversations my get new people interested in serving who haven't thus far been certain so i think there are some steps we can make between now and october november on and process improvements scheduling policies and training opportunities and then the real real unwinding of the commissions will happen with the  eventually but once was the formation of it it's clear the configuration of how it works we organize so it makes sense i think you can preempt the actual plan being passed by a commissions that quite frankly have been nothing the when we make this next change it's always going to be something we're trying to improve and do better or we've had too much falls into the last several years with  i mean i think we've had too many too many theoretical changes as to what they're working on what levels we've asked them to do too many different i don't know i think it's been hard for a commission numbers  i think that's true and i certainly have not been here through and i think it's also important to remember all of the work the commissions have done to date you know i think without the commissions we wouldn't have the pool and i think without the commissions we