three minutes to speak anyone else that has comments beyond that presentation can come up and speak as well but we would like to have just a representative possibly or two from that group the other thing too about citizens concerns as we are having a lot of you know we're having a public forum and will start times any comments or inquiries related to that topic would be addressed when we come to that on the agenda thank you for that i should have added at the beginning to the school committee just not typically a speaker commented presentations that are given during citizen's concerns does anyone have anything else that they would like to  has or any other comments about anything else going on in the community that people  but there we don't have any just means to the agenda in the potential in the interest of time and given all that we have these teachers that you see here tonight have spent considerable time and effort to make their vision a reality for which i am very grateful we will be running a pilot program for a twelfth grade class next year to try out the single pieces experience is really powerful examples that we have got to make those produce multiple modes of writing and provide more opportunities to apply twenty first century skills special creativity and the case of the things that we've been working on high school or created and critical artifacts that demonstrate their thinking about endlessly take a position on the issue that they're exploring so again like brilliance and accessing a broader range of tasks similar to what they might experience in college where they're not took those skills have them in mind to decide on the different products that may be created for this project model would retain literary analysis but also have different modes of writing so there would be creative writing which currently is the current research process and the final product it's really the probably the biggest difference overall we're currently is one long paper which ranges twelve to sixteen pages and the new model would be a portfolio which students would present publicly in the evening where there would be an authentic audience and one of  the things we'd like to see is a wider audience for students who are there working really hard all year and then only a few people actually get to see about them so with the new model of the evening where we would invite juniors to come see the work of the seniors on the scale that we've identified skills over the course of the year and as you can see they range from creating an ad campaign or a part counts to designing a comic book or writing a short story i'm so over the course of the year ranging project that represents a lot of really hard work and so i'm just trying to say how present i think a product appreciate that beginning part but then the end part to be able to show your work in an authentic way truly represents a great experience for learning we were just at a community service awards and we talked about how important security service is that students do but it's generated by sort of that they were interested in that really that that choice and that interest drives the learning so so father for students to explore and and then to transfer that over to how the p r team are all kids teachers the ability to i think that we choose something that they want to learn about explore it and go at it for a period of time which one year to year share it with their peers and then how that potentially in some cases shaped the curriculum that they in the work that they do  it is also authentic approach to what is interesting for teachers and ultimately shapes the wording that we all do together professionally we can shape the curriculum so i just think it's it's a real testimony to what we're trying to reinforce for children and students and the learning in professionally with our with our teachers as well so i truly thank you all for taking part in providing not only a great experience for yourself but the students but then in retrospect for the district because this was something that would be considered as part of  trickle which i think is really pretty sure to thank you and i would just add to your comment on terror that i think that when you are started out this work here two years ago you did your problem i imagine that it would take as long as know he took that feedback and you kept working on it and kept and you came up with a really solid ready to test out pilot and i'm very excited to see how it goes for those one hundred students and but you'll continuing to learning grow both for adults and for kids and time to create opportunities that as we continue to think about teaching and learning how do we gauge our kids and if i could make one last comment having the on a plane to get a little less expensive will entice more students who are in our french language classes to sign up so that's very grateful to all of the teachers who put these proposals together and then ultimately travel with our students and take them on these really terrific experiences that the latin traffic is one that has gone on for many here is a friend dunn has has taken big part of what we want to be able to provide and the time that lead time that our directors and teachers provide to the students in communicating that provide such ability for families to plan in may view would allow a few more families and students to take part in  back in january february we met with the board of selectmen and the work committee in made a lengthy presentation to that full body as well all both of which were on t v several weeks back we came back here at the school committee table to do  a summary of the budget that we'd like to remind folks of and see if there's any changes to the budget that will propose to town meeting on june for monday june s in a lot of different ways that we'll find out about tonight in belmarsh that that decision or that discussion has been impacted like many other things and almost public schools by our change in our configuration in our new school that we're building over the next few years and the reason why that came into play was that there very well may be in the next few years when we get ready to open that seven to twelve school government high up or go much lower that we may need to change the times for all of our schools at that point in time so as we discussed that issue andrea and i have been talking about maybe we should pilot to do something just at the high school and you should just look at what we can do internally so we formed a task force of high school educators to look at that work we felt it was important to update the community on in fact getting more sleep in having a speaker here tonight who's an expert in that field is very helpful for our community we can reference this meeting and we can reference the video for folks to watch and we hope to serve a few weeks before the end of the year to get a sense of some information about how they get to school and how they feel about this start time shift for a nine to four population  in hopes to have the style walk in the fall and get ready to talk about what we can do differently possibly in the september nineteenth school year so we're very fortunate to be able to access very talented folks in this area and we thank  bringing us the speaker who's here tonight to give the community the background in the context in the scientific research around sleeping in adolescence sleep in the in the benefits of that so that you in you and books on the topic so i guess that's about all i have to over the country in the past ten years or so but these are some of the things that i hear talked about and i want you just to keep them in the back of your mind because hopefully i sleep until twelve one o'clock in the afternoon on saturday and sunday will have been in their regular bedtime and which is a is really that we tend to focus a lot on how much sleep we get but it's also when the slip because we've recently discovered that not only is there a master clock in the brain that governments are there are certain clocks in every cell in the body this woman jill prize in medicine discover and we know for example there's a price to pay for this issue of circadian that's why shift workers for example are more likely to be obese they're more likely to have type two diabetes there were more likely to have certain types of cancer so this is a critical p asleep come sunday night but there's no way you're going to be able to do that to falsely reading reasonably well if you've only been awake for six or seven years and so we physical things because remember circadian clock through every cell every organ everything we can system in the body and they all get thrown a l getting less than six hours and only less than twenty percent less than one in five are getting the right days this is not only national  in students with ten schools with earlier start on standardized test scores will be good and very poor all other issues that have to do with for as much as six years to this chronic insufficient product deficient sleep we know then that this can be associated with increase so we have to think about the long term picture so unfortunately even now less than one in five million better rested they were more proficient at getting their homework done and the cooler to get together and i think that's a really cool because if you  company that will work for the community but i want to caution to really think about this issue each summer which really seems to be the sweet spot the history of this was this issue of starting schools earlier for older students began his one nine hundred sixty s when there was an influx of students time it kind of made intuitive sense we'll let's put the older kids on the bus first so the little kids will be there for us and have facts that's just the opposite and then finds a challenge is that different school districts have some of them are very similar across school districts and some are unique to the particular  being scientists and in fact they can be subject to considerable bias because it tends to be the people who feel strongly either way  so you know certainly if that's part of your community engagement and sort of understanding the people coming from by all the ins go ahead but just so i'm just going to explain how we're going to go forward with this because this is a public forum we're going to have the school committee members and initially if they have questions or comments i have to ask them now and then community members are welcome to come up and w and i'm going to apologize to you for we did start this forum earlier because we're running ahead of time for scott our schedule so people have questions for things that might have been covered in the first five minutes or so a lot of people coming to the free press nationally of like to open it think the key is start times across the entire district ok and i don't think the school administration can do that at this point not with the high school building project they are stretched absolute to their maximum so it's a question of you know for us you know each district has its unique challenges it's a question of you know half an hour maybe three fourths of them are really lucky or just wait when you look at it that way you know i would argue that that song is better than one but again as long as you go into this with with this retained in year two but this was a very small very idiosyncratic district in upstate new york where all the kids walk to school very small high  school i think it's a little dangerous to extrapolate too far but but on the other hand i think one of the things that we need to do is look at you know if we do see improvements how do we sustain those and which i didn't talk about but i think the missing piece in a lot of communities is not including sleep health education as part of the operational change because you've got to change hearts and minds and behavior you know i would i would argue that without delaying start times no matter how much education you do it's not going to work it's not going to work there aren't enough hours it's not going to work but on the other hand i think you can  and sustained benefits if you also implement in bed asleep health education and there there are many different programs that are being developed now because we've recognized that that's an would just be curious to hear you say you mentioned lessons learned from boston are there other things that you would say that you learned from the experience in boston i think you mentioned  you as well as or so i'm sorry your question was about about what the experience in boston with start times where there are other lessons learned from that that you could talk about  were were very sincere and impassioned and knowledgeable somehow that didn't get translated to the community community education unity engagement and not everyone is going to show up to the meetings but you know if you look for them and you know you you you made the information available in this many different venues as you can but but i think at the end of the day things were sort of moving along ok and then you know when they said that part of the deal is to move elementary school kids as early as seven  us and and that was a big mistake on their you know i think they didn't warn families and and i think probably seven fifteen as to what you know and i know there were practical reasons for it but but it was it was a real shame because i think certainly you know in massachusetts were looking to boston as being you know this this would have been the is the chair and she just is dynamite and we're actually working on trying to get a statement filed but their website is just has a wealth o'clock would be great but you know know that you really really have to weigh the feasibility you know if you go to most school districts and say you should be starting at nine or nine thirty they're going to look at the high schools in their regional area already started mine and they want to move it to town and there may be problems with that you know there's a problem it's probably not and not just from a practical standpoint but from a circadian standpoint so you know we give we give windows where we think probably the best compromise between practical pragmatic considerations and honoring the biology you know sort of get big deal so with the incremental because you're only doing three and once so if you get started in september of nineteen you have a a larger group of students who can more quickly access a given start time which could really make an impact in the house outcomes like disorder students will likely eat breakfast you know are they less likely to go to the nurse's office because they're so exhausted you know that they need to take it now during the day  you know it gets a little harder to measure things like infectious diseases or visits to their own physicians you could ask questions about self reporting and i would definitely include mental h in that because one of the most consistent telling findings is this decrease in depression symptoms and we know you know that that's a where drowsiness and sleepiness comparable seizures and that that's really seriously that can be very dangerous yeah i think that's an excellent point and that's one thing that we haven't done as much as we should is to look at some groups in some populations of adolescents who made that effect relative there's you know i mentioned a little bit about the socioeconomic and minority students disadvantaged but but i think you're right there are kids with certain health conditions that you know i think i hear a lot from parents whose children are on the autism spectrum or you know have had significant learning disabilities or had a d h d you know how so so that's that's a consideration that is unique to individual districts but i will also say that in one of the sort of the centers for disease control so i mean you do have to look at that it's a piece of the p like i was just going to talk to the superintendent of brennan connecticut and they had changed their start to eight thirty and there was pushback from the community  there was kind of a group that wanted to push it earlier and the solution they came up with was to shave very small a matter of minutes because in that particular school district they had more academic time that they actually needed place by state standards and they get they shaved off a few minutes of each class so that dismiss time was very close to what it had been there you know it was marginal rate so you could get thinking outside the box so i think for   i'm sure there are in these systems that are crazy enough to have a rolling start but i wonder with yeah i mean that's a very interesting question and i i actually happen to have been on the commonwealth taskforce on daylight savings time so there was a proposal to move us to choose its two year round daylight savings time based on a number of reasons one being that there clearly is an increase in things like heart attacks car accidents other kinds of accidents around the time change in in both ways in november and march but there were some interesting economic benefits and even some safety benefits like if it stays later later in the day there are fewer home break infants you know like things that you wouldn't even think about right but you know one of the issues that came up is if we went to year round daylight savings time then there would be days in and we didn't change school start times there would be days where you know kids would be waiting for the bus before civil twilight you know when in the pitch  alternating lights that can shift from relative clear blue light in the morning to warmer more yellow tones in the afternoon in the classrooms and they're seeing these phenomenal differences and alertness you know so so there may be things about technology that are all there that we can use to kind of offset you know obviously in scandinavian countries there are times here when there's like four hours of daylight and twelve hours of you know or you know sixteen or twenty hours a day so so i think that has to be taken into consideration but i mean but it's not i think it's not as big a deal yes some people have made it out  so just as some background we are engaged with the middlesex league of superintendents who are all agreeing to move start times collectively so get one of our speakers talk about afterschool activities at least those that relate to school will be done in a common way that you know at least the athletics of the things you are just getting can do it together in that time for conflicts so that was strategic a few years ago to engage in that  presentation so we can get more folks aware of the discussion that we're having today because the presentation  underslept under functioning and then when we look at the students we see in our health centers you know there are there are real mappings onto their depression under being underslept and in their academic performance being drastically impacted i also think that the leader start times have a big impact on community engagement if you can search school later teachers and students who can show up earl tend to do so and so there are more opportunities for academic success for parents or for to see in the community for teachers to engage families because we know they're working families they're sort of cut short on either and you know the getting to work they're not they're some examples of districts that you're familiar with that have had successful strategies in the engaging the stakeholders in weight and negatively impacted like for example a teacher in winchester that's moving to a leader start time next year and there is a survey that was done across the teachers is that for many teachers and children around seventy five hundred dollars of additional child care expenses are likely to be incurred by teachers who now won't get out in time to pick up their kids but also parents who have schedules that are fixed in time to the eve of the way that it's always they've been able to work ties to the school certain other ways the districts have been able to successfully manage that to help the whole roll out of the start time the more successful or into the just them to be a case of exactly what you just said you know certain certain groups certain constituencies have to have you know more challenges than others and and have very real concerns  families are just i mean when you think about in in some communities you know elementary school starts nine o'clock and i'm in the middle it's expected you know that that's what happens but you know that's a that's a dramatic change in childcare and work schedules and all kinds of other things so some communities have expanded their opportunities within the school system from before school and after school child care of funded them for example so i think there are lots of different ways and you know you know your community thus you and you know what your budget is you know what kinds of solutions are possible but i think you're very wise to anticipate that and to first of all to listen to those constituencies and make sure they get heard and then to try to problem solve that that we have we had a rule in our town halls that if you come up with a problem even also that list at least three solutions so that starts getting people out of this rut of oh my god this is going to be so terrible and how am i going to deal with this to move into problem solving and and you know that i think that's critical in getting people to kind of change their mindset about th in terms of looking at rhythms well i mean we have data going back fifty or sixty years we have not such great data going back hundreds of years and whatever population you're looking at the elementary school kids being adolescents being adults we're all getting less than we did fifty years and there's lots of reasons for that obviously but the support and know the power of sleep childhood educator and we all know what happened with a toddler if they miss a nap and we tend to forget that there are twelve years old thirteen fourteen and what's more important for them and their bodies and as we heard all the the things that is going to happen if we don't asleep much so i just totally support the eight thirty start  time the children need as need us to support of their and teach them i cood sleep habits and as we all know we in our times we started at age seven thirty before but we do they have the stress of nowadays so they need to hear from ass and get the support from us that is leap is good thank you