into my car came up here just to see if there was some strange shortage of noise but even at its best the rain has important things to say i could never hear what she said all such an issue here and lanes back but i have struck at the f c c and i know that there's been some work done this week and i know that there is a lot of concern in the public yet all i want to do is say please what what you're doing here is important it's a public event meeting and those of us at home want to hear what you're saying please what ever it takes i don't care whether it's mike whether it's the  he had trouble with them and  gordon earlier in the week and some others first of all i apologize to everybody at home who had difficulties particularly with last week's meeting i understand that it wasn't an isolated incident it's been some audio problems but last week was particularly bad and we have made some improvements we've added enough microphones out of the selectmen has their own microphone we're confident that we're using the right can i just once again i just want to remind folks that you know this is the border slug wins meaning and it's it's very important that it's not a forum for defamation slander or accusations about any individuals you know live if that's the case then that's what we have executive session plus no i just wanted to give that as a heads up i appreciate you coming on there thank you thank you thank you for allowing me your moments to to not allow the parking lots of this all the country fast and this year its august twenty first should not allow the parking lots at that event to open until three hours prior to the main event i know this different dance that go on all day but i know that the main event is until i think seven p m so there would be my first request in addition to that i'd like to also request that they'd be additional security checking for tickets entering the packing lots that police and security approach kits that look under age that are you know drinking from red cups want them there's no underage drinking and you know to abide by that rule law throw them out and if the kid it's this is my my biggest request that if the kids appear to be impaired when they're being asked to leave or when they're leaving they're not attending the concert if the security hopefully will be more security would like the home not allow those kids you know if they spot them and they look impaired to make them wait aside and call for a ride home are to see what can be done to hold these kids even if they put in in custody or i don't know i just would hopefully think that th year with additional security that that will be something that we can come to it in terms with we feel that the increase in the amount of rest last year was such a great positive thing to happen however i do have to say that allowing for early arrivals if they paid additional monies seemed to be a negative for me for to for my family personally i didn't really quite understand that and i would ask for them not to do that to let you know it means nothing for kids and carloads to pay extra money to come earlier so actually my main objective would be to get the licensing for that event because  to twelve hour event the kids are there and i think five hours saw you know it would be plenty of time for them to attend the concert and and that's all and i thank you for the time to speak  if appropriate a party on the license as record manager prior to opening so it's truly it's very important for the organization that everything is run properly and appropriately are the other items that are on your list  eleven am service on sunday game on game days fairly typical and so we thought it's appropriate to seek that now certainly answer any questions you might have about opening hours and larry king address at the sunday entertainment licen this is this were previously granted the local entertainer license but sandro reminded me that in fact the state analog needs to be complied with as well so that's what the purpose of thought of that license request is and then finally and somewhat humorously an automatic amusement device license in this case the question is do we need it and so we're seeking a determination from this board for a is if you d regional manager how much time would you be spending actually here in the bronx ability asian my plan is to spend two weeks prior to its opening and approximately four to six weeks after we open to ensure that the operation is running officially effectively and then look for a candidate that i feel is the proper replacement for myself and then i would still be responsible for the location coming back making sure the interests of all of the procedures and things like motorized perspective to make sure that we can answer any questions prior to that and without success with another locations question about the liquor is we first opened up a restaurant in things aren't running liquor and meeting with the chief yesterday i'm very clear on what his expectation is from both a responsible service to make sure that we get our employees either tips trained or team trained before we open that's something we just in our location to sort of prior to opening and then obviously with the under age service making sure that we're taking steps to ensure that we are serving responsibly from that aspect to make sure that we're putting people in even starting of the current procedure earlier at the door making sure that the doors well staffed and also making sure that we have a zero tolerance policy with any employer that violates that and doesn't follow proper procedure you know it's almost a double tear system we have an i d scanner at the front door and it will also if serv of details that you might have and yes we did discuss that just looking at article seventeen i believe it is making sure that you know based on prior experience with other locations it looks like we'll need detail on friday and saturday night so we're we've kind of prepare ourselves for that as far as the security team itself goes you know what we're looking at basically two options one is to provide to the internal security or for us going in an in house security system or security staff where we would train to back a third time and not so much for ten weeks for another manager change more frustrating for you we will be back here i think the good news is is that larry is not going anywhere until he's identified a candidate who is appropriate  to be in his position going forward long term ok i apologize for taking your time in of we we do need you by the book and we want to be opening with the appropriate personnel on record and with just one other thing and you know you don't have to comment on it but you know we have a lot of restaurants in town now and we've had one restaurant come before us because of some people who were stopped after leaving the restaurant they were arrested for drunk driving under the influence and they said that the last place they were served was at that particular restaurant we have another restaurant in town where the chief has asked us to hold a herring because some underage folks were served so from our standpoint it's pretty important that you have the absolute strangest controls around alcohol distribution that nobody should be served beyond their capacity and that nobody under age is able to get in there and  have drinks and so we've just we've seen you know before we had very little almost no restaurants in town it wasn't an issue now we have a lot and this is really a destination now for people that would like to eat out they come to foxboro because we have so many choices and so it's absolutely incumbent upon you especially with the hours that you're going to run and then and the hour someone may stay there to really make sure that you've got absolute top notch people making sure that you're not back before us that some evening mechanical bow basically have you looked at this over to make sure this is because we've never seen a license for this before so i just want to make sure that we're on the right path with it you want to come  because of its risk of harm so pending if you give me the time i will look it up but pending that i would say you should issue a press thank you i just the first it service i think i've even heard some say they're better off being served you know in a restaurant first district in a parking lot but what if it's a four o'clock game all of that i think goes away from the point of view of an argument to be open trying to do this conservatively is frankly they're not planning on opening before eleven but if that plan should change there may be a very good business reason why i need to do so i would just request the board keep that option o what i think is important though is that we want consistency we wouldn't want you on a four o'clock game being only be able to open at noon and every other stablish we've already approved say oh no we've got a blanket so we can open early so we need to reconcile and make sure that there's fairness as well whatever and i don't know how we do there in the in the as as ever in or in the renewal process has already given a blanket approval to half a dozen or more restaurants to open early on sunday games and fairness to the others and i don't think there's a detriment to public safety i think that's critical as well and this is the case you cite correct me if i'm wrong what you just saying that if it was a four o'clock and twelve o'clock was fine so you're not asking for eleven or request is for love and if it serves or if you would not otherwise grant us we are certainly willing to entertain that and live with but now that we know that you have previously granted this to every other establishment it seems like you could revisit this next year if it was to be an issue and certainly it's a revocable license just so if it was to be a safety issue is forty certainly entitled to do  sue i want to tell you about all the fun we pass the last x number of weeks is yours summary of my comments tonight so what i would like to do just spend a few minutes on the process and i know you've all heard most of this but for anybody who is joining the ballgame in the ninth inning we'll bring them out to do just what we've been doing for the last several months the first meeting of the search committee was on march sixteenth the town had started the process of the search actually a few months before that and then decided  some time previous to really march that you wanted to hire search committee so you asked our committee you actually form the committee and asked us to we would head up the search and we review the resumes into term and right away that we were pleased with the pool of candidates so we suggested that we start over open search again and we hire search consultants so we could network into the towns around the state and actually touch the people who might be good candidates for this position so we hired time group who is with us tonight and he is an experienced former town manager and very well respected in the town manager community now he told me that when we hired him but it was actually proven very quickly that tom is very well known and he says he's very concerned about the credibility of the process and making sure that everything is run true form so we appreciate his input in this in this process the renewed search yielded a total of about seventy five resumes and the quality of the pool increased tom additionally contacted town managers personally around the state who had responded just to make sure that they knew of the opportunity and to ensure them that it was an open and objective process and we had developed a position criterion which is a copy of which was attached which helped guide us in the process and with that really doesn't just tell us what kind of skill sets we're looking for with the characteristics of the individual should be and what the particularly uniqueness of the position might be if there is anything out of the ordinary initially we held public forums with department heads community stakeholders and influencers as we call them and of public meeting on june second and a couple of those meetings were very helpful especially the department heads and the influencers as we call after review of the seventy five resumes we identified approximately a dozen candidates for personal interviews and we went through the process over several weeks of personally interviewing each of about twelve you know we are restricted by open meeting law tommy in law to have one closed door interview which we did so we worked really hard to get to know the candidates and because they are most of them again fully employed and we assure the the confidentiality of their candidacy of their interest in this position would be carefully protected so i also assured them that right up to the end of the process they would be given an opportunity to change their minds before the names are made public and i'll get to that and say we after interviewing about a dozen candidates we arrived at three candidates that we think are capable of serving well as the town manager in this community i'd like to add and i said this before that we were pleased to to confirm when say discover because most of us felt this way because we've been in town a long time that this position is considered one of the plum town manager opportunities in the state and for that the community should be proud we have all the characteristics of a small new england town sixteen thousand people but we have the complexity and the characteristics of a challenge for those talented candidates and were financially stable and we seem to handle according to most people from the outside we seem to manage our conflicts for the most part with some civility it's not perfect but we do better than most apparently so the candidates were very complimentary about the state of t town until about thirty minutes ago i had every intention of introducing three candidates to the board we just were informed by one of the three  that he has serious reservations about moving forward and to be perfectly honest with this board which of course i want to do the candidate said that after doing some research he didn't feel that talking to a number of people in town he didn't feel it was a level playing field and he didn't want to put his name out there he didn't want to risk his current position so we have in do is to reconnect with this candidate and find out what the issues are and we might come back with a third so i think connecting it with might and i apologize rebecca didn't even know this this  literally just happened and she was here in the room i connected with my committee mates and we all agree that the best thing right now is to go we have two very good candidates the perfect number of my opinion is three but we have two very good candidates that i'm going to tell you who they are and second what i would like to do is go back i'll talk to third and find out if there's going to be a third before you in the next month and then you decide what you want to do based on the facts that are presented to this point mean i was impressed two weeks ago when the rains papers that they had written about andy and because i do watch it too and the so i decided that i would like to say something and that i better be right if i have been on three search committees in this town but when i said yes to be on the search committee for a new town manager i did not know the great responsibility i was a so me i have learned a great deal about all that a town manager does it has been very difficult to search for someone to lead our town i can't impress enough on you every important the final decision will be for you think long and hard as you make your choice remember wherever hours interview nights and you know it was a difficult process with different levels of experience in recruiting stuff and rebecca offered a a wonderful perspective of what has happened in the town over the years and what we really ought to be looking for in character and personality and she never hesitated to give her opinion which for that with i i know you've noted though you know that we're thankful the first candidate name is kevin pecos and kevin is currently the town administrator in the town of ham he manages an eighty three million dollars budget he's held several town administrator and town manager positions in his career he currently teaches a course in public finance and contract negotiation at bridgewater state college and has a master's in public administration kevin also serves with distinction in the army reserve and served a tour in afghanistan in two thousand and seven he is currently and and c e o in the out in the army reserve he is formally an officer and they bounce back and forth i guess he's been in the army reserve for number of years he's a very impressive candidate and i think you'll like kevin a lot and and be impressed with his background we certainly were the other candidate is william randy scholars and randy is well known to most of you he's currently serving as foxborough finance director for the last five years randy had a successful career in the private sector before moving into municipal finance he held a variety of management positions with staples on project management and strategic initiatives already has never served in a position as a town a minister a town manager the search committee was sufficiently impressed with randy's credentials and skill set to include him as a finalist in this search my final comments would be that we think that any of these candidates would be very capable in serving as a time manager in this community make is that while it's disappointing that someone would pull out at the last minute when you're an existing town manager and it goes public that you're thinking of going someplace else it can certainly impact your relationship with the board of selectmen as well as the community did you find that there were more than this one person who had trepidations because of the feeling that an insider would have the preference and therefore opted out just so that the public understands is the only person who had that concern and certainly to our consultant as you worked your clients across the state how serious of a concern did did you hear from people relative to that situation is not the only candidate who pulled out there were other  candidates significant quality who chose not to participate in the process because they do not believe despite our best efforts you do not believe it was you know  were maybe at the end or toward the end of their career who might be able to refer me to other people and they all came back with the same comment telling me something that they really knew about what had been reported in the papers that the board had indicated an early indicator interest in one particular person nevertheless the even with the interview committees  e all those people that they didn't know that this was a little cooler a level playing field i think there were still some concern by people currently employed that they would take too much to kind of bring a little bit more into it rebecca and so we do absolutely take this very seriously what was handed out tonight from the committee i don't want the people at home thinking the committee went off  didn't get the job description in some of the things that we were looking for so we actually did sit down with with tom and in tony in each one of us collectively said what we would like to see in the new town manager  described the stuff that you have on here the critical background and experience criteria the personal skills and the characteristics of foxborough i mean there's no doubt the bell has been rung and you can't unring it what happened happened  i want to thank you guys in women for working hard and it's you had said five months it's it's been a long five months the professionalism going back and forth with the resumes and all the information coming into into your committee i think it's been stellar that it hasn't been out there it hasn't been public discussion about it hasn't even come into town hall you you as well as the other members that on here tonight work to that end very well we thank you for that and i guess just to summarize what we're hearing is these are the best of the best that you've worked with and they're coming forward we've kind of agonize a little bit about what we do now do we go really quick do we go slow do we do it on a friday and saturday and i think some of the discussions that we've had is we want the public to understand who the candidates are which is public now we're going to follow up two more meetings for public discussion and then to the interview process so as much as we want to go real fast we are slowing it down a little bit just to let that process because it is a very public and something that hopefully will be you know twenty thirty more years  it depends on what you come back you know the information over the last fifteen minutes is a little concerning understand you know i think we had talked about three is a good number because you know he get you get the choice i don't want to comment on either one of these gentlemen because i haven't read the resumes but if there was a third certainly in my opinion it would be a better process you don't want to force us you know square peg in  hold it if it doesn't work and i don't know if you want to start the whole process again so and i think we've put a little bit of trust in you that you work through and if you can come back with a comfortable yes or no we move forward my opinion conclusion that for some reason you're not happy with where we are my personal opinion would be that you put the search on hold for a year that you hire him as a temporary town manager and then you really you start to search out because time is right the only thing that solves this problem if you conclude it's a problem big enough to reconsider the direction the only thing that's going to solve this  time and starting over at some point for us to go back out in a month is going to result in nothing more than we have now nothing's going to change so i think those are your options my days still on we will confirm that we have some logistics to deal with and how we do that timing wise and where they meet and set all that stuff so i don't know if going to make that decision tonight that's up to you as soon as we know when it is well informed has been involved in this for weeks if not months ok at some point i think last time you were in here we said to you as selectman what we can what can we do to put his or her mind at rest and what we are going around the table and said it is an open process and as much as we can put biases aside we're going to look at it objectively and subjectively and at some point you get to say it is what it is if you can bring that back again for the second or third time if this two or three at the end of the whole process i would repeat what i said to each of you individually when i met you and that is i think it's very important to try to have five  final vote even to the point where if there's a sense that one person is clearly better than the other rather than i was but i would recommend board find a way to come together and have five possibilities gives them for the strongest position going forward as a governing body and gives the the new manager strongest support to manage before superintendence what generally happens if you have more than one candidate as you talk about the pluses and minuses and that's the awkward thing in private business you discuss that behind closed doors and so if you decide on candidate number one and then you can't close the deal number two doesn't know that they were number two and you go back to number two when you make believe they were number one and you close the deal with them in this particular case what ends up happening is you see discuss the pros and cons of each candidate and you know nobody likes to hear the cons on themselves and then you know while the board may certainly hear someone who seems more favorable to one versus the other each would would probably make their own argument for why a or b was better so it really does make it difficult not impossible to get a unanimous vote but sometimes even a unanimous vote causes some damage along the way as you've discussed pros and cons and and maybe end up settling to get the five zero kind of a thing so it's a it's a very awkward process but it's the process that that we have to follow by law so well if i can just follow up on it having been a manager many times and not only i other states i never took a position unless it was a unanimous vote and that's not necessarily saying it was always has to be right but with only two candidates it ought to be easy i think for the poor to say ok we're all behind this this individual much easier in fact than there might be if you had four or five minutes into the final voting and  different types of candidates part of the danger of two versus three because these are two different types of people and two different experience levels two different backgrounds two different skill sets a similar but they're both very qualified and i was sitting in your chair i wouldn't want to see my board love one of the candidates and i think town would like to see you all love one of the candidates and i think you need to work to get there if you can't you need to think about that right where are we if we don't all love thanks so i don't envy your position right i just want to mention also all the selectmen have provided different questions to the committee and i want to thank you for putting  together organizing our thoughts and coming up with some concise questions that we could use hoops in the in the process work very well and then time just time and i just took them and put them in an order that we think makes sense and calls from him he has put much time and effort into this assignment give him your moment credit he deserves it whether or not they can purchase alcohol and naturally it's not until noon there are some good discounts with us they don't understand it's not you know individual policy that regardless so we saw the law come up that it would be possible yes no question there how successful has the branch been so far for real we are successful so that's why we've kept it going over two years almost because i think i have to tell you that good course i'm not inclined  to allow you to serve alcohol earlier if you told me that the break that the branch was struggling that would make a difference that might have influence you have it's doing really well now without the alcohol or ten then you know i think you know you'll continue that success i just think that  you know we were twelve and then football games were eleven now people want to move to ten and you know it just it presents an issue for me so not any against you or your restaurant but understood and by the same token there are have what we call a premium and you know we bring no i service and nine nine thirty and we talk about what that special that day things that we're out of and you know we make sure that we quiz them every time what time we allowed to serve alcohol today because it's different from the rest of the week you know so we has changed state law that you know pete is the first one to come up to us and i read you know that there will be other restaurants and you know it's a way for these folks to get some additional close to a prohibition us yes anybody in the community i haven't really looked into this certainly the restaurants that actually make the person purchase food  that was the original untapped of changing and allowing the eleven o'clock service i think that the board should have a discussion on this matter and come to a consensus amongst yourself as it was with the previous person in front of the board you know are you going to allow eleven o'clock opening just on game days or are some people have a policy that they can serve i any time but again no matter what policy you pick it has to be tied in food has to be served right that might be good because the last thing in the world we need is somebody to go to a bar or wow right not participate in buying food and have access to al all thinking this i almost guarantee you within a year probably for the fifteen establishment have in sunday brunch is at ten o'clock in the morning so if you want to do that you really ought to think you're doing for all of them because it's going to happen and you know further you know when i stood up before we were talking football game sundays now we're talking every sunday the fact that he would he already has a broadcast now it sounds like he distinguishes himself as something different up there and it's getting people out of chant in the morning it just doesn't seem like we need the added difference of our people so you know i like know what i've been reading from the surrounding towns that are looking once this law change came into effect what i've been reading in the papers anyways is established myths that are struggling they want to add something they get more people to come into you  know the kind of downplayed in talk about it would be nice to have a a bloody mary at breakfast type thing i think the board has done to stand once you make this decision tonight unless there's extraordinary situations on other restaurants it we're basically opening the door for every restaurant same thing that we did on the other the selectmen did on the other early opening of the bars and i'm wondering if it's a it's a case of it's probably a little nicer john this point of view three said you know you might open a pandora's box but we've already got the things down it's not like we're saying oh here's an opportunity for us to take advantage and outlets offer a brunch now because then we can open a tent where we've already had it there and the guests have mentioned it before and so now with the opportunity presented itself that's how we relate to it so i think the difficult part from our view is that if a lot of other restaurants quickly come and say i want to introduce lunch you'll have much more competition which may take away from your overall success but we can't say to them well you don't run as well i'm sure jack's therefore we don't so that's why it's so important to look at it and say you know what when we when we discussed the eleven o'clock we said during football games they're already there are eleven o'clock and and they want to eat and if we could help the restaurants open a little bit earlier and be successful then that's fine too and then this law came in and now people want to push it yes you want to push it for sundays in ten o'clock someone else is going to and before you know it it becomes a it can become more of an issue and it just seems to me that and maybe it's me but if somebody can't can't go to brunch or won't go to your brunch because they don't serve alcohol maybe they have a problem i mean i don't i don't think if someone's going to drive to page a place that you're the only place open on sunday brunch up there are you not other than the hotel understand right i mean it's not like you know we have lots of breakfast places in town where that that kind of actually feeds in the might be you know point that we would like to say you know once again it's not a destination where we're people looking to us as a buyer that's opening a not maybe it doesn't seem like we're going to get a motion the same thing for approval so i think we want to go like table it and have one discussion on how we're going to handle the ten o'clock openings  all i think that's that's probably how it's going to go i mean each individual is going to have to come up in front of us just like they do for the eleven o'clock openings on sunday but i think that we need time as a board to discuss our feelings on on a ten o'clock opening live that you know we find out from one of the residents in town but i just don't think we're ready to vote on it yet so i think you know so maybe the common eatery says well we have breakfast on sunday maybe we should try to get a license and we should try to do something and so you know i think if if if we had a vote tonight i would vote against it and so you're probably better off if we wait you folks are comfortable doing that that's not a problem but again if you would just please you know consider when you when you're thinking about that again just walk again it's just more to it to enhance the get experience you know if you like to come up any time i view one of them glad to entertain you to individually some of the things that you enjoy at ptrus places because you're in dangerous place and it's destination so you enjoy being part of something larger but at the same time sometimes it's a detriment because what you do is going to affect everyone else  and i see people will be coming for that and they may not have the integrity of skipjack sit with the history but they're going to ask for it and because you're in that situation and there's many many restaurants and you're leading the charge on that make make sure you take back to your management that the board was clear that this is not a reflection on the particular restaurant or the manager managing it so we don't want any doubt that your corporate headquarters that there's a concern about the folks that are running this particular restaurant that's not what it is her do you mind if we take a couple of the action items because we have some residents that are here and like to  with andy this afternoon and it was the forty three ninety three seventy five any further discussion on favre all right i believe so paul do you have any information as to pricing remember that i just want to mention that you know you're right one of our neighbors is our town council now just for the country music would ask for you to consider a five dollar an hour rate increase on the hourly rate but i haven't the back office was doing some computation on on that that's the part that's emotional point yet and then we can ask the chairman and the town and the town manager to negotiate the rates and then and work that separately ok but we need to have a town council yes and i think that we should go forward with appointing him tonight and then we can work through the details and we have a contract today and if if at the end of the day you can't work a successful contract then we'll we'll deal with it at that point to do this in a quick discussion to appoint it and it's a few dollars to negotiate after the fact you just appointed mansfield town councils will still be doing mansfield oh yes  odd that we're doing this in just a brief couple minutes after three years i haven't seen the contract not to say it wouldn't go hand in hand with it but it's just odd to renew something for an entire year in find out tonight that it's if we don't do it then we're out of the town council come thursday i will stay on with contract without contract with pay without pay i mean i'm committed to the time fox for i'm not going to leave anybody higher dr think jim from my standpoint you know i had some i think it's fair to say what town council i had some early questions and and doubts but over the over the fourteen sixteen months that i've been on the board i've come to really get to know him and respect them and if the board had a concern overall with his services then several months ago we probably should have gone out for bid and talk to other folks so to me it's not so much a rush in terms of i'm satisfied with the job he's done in the you're in a coup or whatever i've been on the board and therefore i'm comfortable extending that what we end up agreeing in terms of the rates i know we can negotiate some that we're all happy with and we can do that subsequent we can have the chair in the town manager do that so i don't feel it's rush because i've had a chance to work with him for long enough i know paul you work you know linda even longer for you it is a little tough there's only been a little bit of this on the disadvantage right and then that's where i'm coming from now i understand that it's not a negative it's i'm not up to speed with your contract or the process of going another year two years three years and go sheeting and i was to tell you jim just so you would know that they were when early on when i was on the board we started getting his bills we asked him to do in a different way and to give us more information and when you started looking at his retainer and i don't mean this to sound critical but the board had a tendency to say oh it's free because it's on the retainer so they kept asking for lots of things and when you started calculating the total number of hours divided by the retainer at some times he was earning forty fifty sixty dollars an hour for the work he was doing and he never once complained about that he never once said i'm sorry you've asked for too much this month  so he's been i think available at our beck and call he if you if you go back over the last couple of years and you look at how much of the services provided the town versus what it cost i think you going to find that the that we got a pretty good deal in that sense on an hourly rate and at one point we talked on the board about the fact that if the board continued to use his services at the rate we're using him that he'd be forced to increase the fees significant because the retainer was not anywhere near as profitable as they thought it was going to be but i think i would say and correct me if i'm wrong paul but the last six or seven months it's it's much more in balance than what it was you know a year ago or nine months ago know i have been following the billings and yeah and the process but just a vote on something because you know you've worked with them for a number of years and you know it doesn't work for me if you're saying that it's not dead date we have to do it or we're in trouble later than i would probably think twice about it and then just a second comment is you just mentioned larry that you know prior boards talking about it being free services within the retainer  you know to the extent that you know let's add mention that in the last few years that's basically shorthand for covered within the retainer so you know i've been practicing law for eighteen years some familiar with our retaine works so i wasn't under a misconception that his services were free it's just kind of shorthand since we don't want to be here till eleven it's better to say well it's covered within the retainer tree as opposed to giving a you know five minute description of how the billing works so just to be clear on that point i just wanted to my satisfaction also with all services and i think you've done a great job for the town and  are very thorough and i appreciate how your firm has worked for the town and so you know i echo really very satisfaction with them as town council but out of respect for  or mrs davis you want to come up or any further discussion anybody audience  inconsistencies right and i think maybe before a renewal process at the end of the year perhaps that's the time that we need to be for that and we need to set as a board and discuss that i'm not with  we should be consistent yes that's absolutely and and an item for the end of the season to evaluate the next yes i agree with that so at this point i would entertain a motion for the extension allow as agile at stadium beginning at eleven o'clock on sunday was what the on sundays during the gillette stadium football season so did we do this and then travel to gillette stadium and when we transition to july stadia that it was to incorporate the entire facility because then they had more food stamps so food was available at all the stance or of the facility the stadium they don't open the facility until two hours before the kickoff ok so for the patriots they might say they would have eleven o'clock service for four o'clock game entry types coming into the facility and during the first hour we have a very small percentage of the fans probably less than twenty five percent actually enter the facility  the bulk of the fans come in and the last half hour and i'm talking about sixty to seventy percent come in and that twelve thirty time frame to just after kickoff well my preference would be just to act on this in two weeks just just to see what we did last year you know the physical piece of paper ok if you want to table this that's what i'd like t is this and the norfolk lions are having a writing for the mind and they sent us a memo about it that motorcycles will be writing for the blind and event on saturday that contact mr wolf i did not see any contact with the town or any traffic disruption i just advised him we also have the rodman rides for kids that day yet so we'll have numerous bicycles anyway on our town roads and i just asked him to notify his motorcycle riders as they're arriving on the destination just to be aware of the bicycle riders will have on our street ok great encourages offices to issue citations or bidding written one it's rather then rebel warnings to motorists and passengers who are unbelted when stopped for traffic violations chief so what are your thoughts on this strictly the use the seatbelts is a critical component in voter safety and we encourage officers when they discover somebody  wearing their seat belt at a legal stop for some other motor vehicle infraction to issue tickets and frequently that is what i'm hearing on the radio that they are issuing pay tickets or written warning tickets to people that are not buckled up or don't have their children properly bottled up right so that's an ongoing thing right here and in town anyway that's so what they're asking us to do is  ok next is the request for an installation of additional start sign on so high street but swanson did you want to come up and talk about this little think she's absolutely right i think that everywhere is speeding issues there's there's not a lot we can do about everywhere i don't agree that stop shine's should be employed to slow people  stop i just thought for consistency that all three streets should have the stop sign to reduce the likelihood of a crash of that location i didn't see it a methodology to reduce speeds if we're going to do that down at robert street we would build up platform intersection that i've seen in milton because it's not a speed bump it's a much larger correct to slow the traffic down racing and the one drawback and it does possibly fracture and break our snowplows right to rain like any kind of right  stop sign request yeah i know i read i said that it should be a three way stop yeah i'm not sure how many residents in the cul de sac part of it didn't want the stop sign but there was a minimum of here i was surprised i looked at i looked through the files of some two thousand and five traffic study that it does show levon hundred seventy three vehicles up there on a weekday average per day which is quite a bit  talk to walk to the library from where the parking across from i think it's safer i think it's safer and i think time wise i can't help but think that it probably wouldn't be that much because i don't know how quickly someone to let you go in the one that's right yes and then i don't wouldn't really want to back my private out into one forty five didn't have to i had another choice now they say they wanted you to put up one of those little signs but we put up one of those signs and we lost it to a plow didn't we well and i like two hundred dollars yeah but i had another one so i put it there last thursday i need it and it's already it was already destroyed by monday i can't send i can only find the bottom of it i can't find the top of it and this is just temporary for the folks that work there because mentally we're going to have this beautiful new library and parking and everything i'll sell you know safety wise it maybe does for them to park down rather than on the road out there and you had mentioned that you would even pay that little area if needed but yeah i think if it was going to be permanent that's something i can look at definitely paving ok and i don't know if you know if they really don't want to if it's a temporary situation yeah i think much as we're expanding the building so we're going to have to look i think for some alternative and you know it is only a short walk from there the key is for the employees it's a little easier because you can instruct them if you're someone in town you may not realize that that's parking it for the life reason there's more of an education for that but at least the short term issue for the employees we want them to be safe we don't want to be getting hit on the way to them to work and so you're suggesting that they that th suggestion isn't going to solve the problem because the signs going to keep getting destroyed the better places to be is to have a park in a place that safer i mean i'll be glad to buy another one of them but enough to give it another shot trailer landscape trailer or it's one step on the cellphone it's dangerous out there where would you be willing to talk to the elaborate folks and to share your suggestion what's really happened already in the fact that you've got another one up it's probably going to gone in less than a week and that the safer spot is to just park where you're suggesting and if need be working with a mensis or a being at a whatever she'll be glad to go speak with if you like and then if they do if they still have further concerns it could come thoughts i didn't even consider god does have a valid point about trying to find a safer area down the road we're going to have to address this because the proof library that draws for people will not have adequate parking on site right now and therefore we're going to be dependent on parking people around the common and getting them safely over from that corner by the little that's where the sign was on the island yeah right at the head of it so it never got hit right there and then i moved it up there is day out to the cross what are you talking about a sign that's up on a them later so your request that you could you if you're nuff sure of their twenty four hours it would seem to me that they could be writing a ticket like every single day without interruption minute time and we were up on the common and you know we were stepped standing in a certain point and i thought i think we could get this town out of debt if we just you know pulled everybody over that just rolls through that stop on the can actually go in and they just roll right through it is like i don't know how many stop signs around prisoner this three but i'm taken by we can make a lot of money right here right now today and get us out of all these problems and have beautiful everything but i doubt does that work if there's a ticket for  r construction people on line with what's coming and i'm and that it is an important and could be dangerous situation for the new  ok thanks guys appreciate that things but do you have anything else but you know one thing before you go i mentioned andy i don't know if you mentioned it to you but i know as you as you do the work on edwards you were talking about thirteen hundred feet whatever and you're there probably during the during the workweek and you were going to put an island on the middle to slow the traffic down but i wanted to call your attention that on the weekends there are cars parked alongside on the side of the road by the water whether be spring so you're talking about the path to the part where we have a trash barrel even right in that's where there's a lot of cars parked this you'd want to make sure that if you cut the road to have it it's still wide enough for two cars on that site because of the cars parked sometimes they park half of the of the sidewalk half of the road a lot of times it's just right on the road so you just have to make sure you're still going to have two cars was there the island was only a hundred feet chief got a fourth wife right yeah yeah the island was only one hundred feet from  can you double check on ok if anybody can just it's important for us to be in the tennis gear they do a lot of work for that so congratulations to allan  it so we can we can do that but just so that the folks at home have a better understanding of lily island and how some of the things that have been implemented are i working up there and what you're looking forward to to whether they are comfortable with the current safety plan to have a place or whether they have concerns so i'd like your opinion oh well first of all i'm very comfortable with the stance that i have one put up last year was not actually used it was supposed to be used as a rehab merriam's due to the fact the country fest is always in august and it's very hot humid it has been a tendency of it being a very hot humid event you know over seventy nine transports this is the largest event in challenge for foxboro fire rescue as i'm sure you're going to hear the same comments coming from tupelo area our staffing it is right where i wanted to be at that level of a level five the area that we are working on is we had fourteen ambulances from fallin there we called an additional four throughout the day to bring it to eighteen i've already been in contact with found in jim no one of the stadium my feelings are is that really will go with the fourteen with four to be staged twenty minutes away i don't want to maul there because it's already got enough crowding issues as it is but i want to know that we have a definite four ambulances standing by twenty minutes away and the reason why i'm doing that is that again if it's not as humid did chances that we're going to need them might not be there but i'd rather be safe than sorry we've already started meetings with the doctors and we're actually having a meeting thursday night to make sure that all of our i feel i v fluids all of our medical supplies all of our equipment is ready ten days prior to the actual country fast because again i'd rather be safe than sorry and so as long as i haven't heard absolutely no dispute on the level five we proposed that compound whatever changes or needs that he he sees or sergeant haskell sees i want to be able to provide them that as we know that that became a little bit of a busy location throughout the night and  were you know i was brought down to look at health concerns and so we brought in fans and we had to make sure that we were looking at the health concerns for the folks that are being processed by the police department so whatever changes that they me they'd make in they need more paramedics that would be the only alteration to my plan is it just to support the police department in chief o'leary and in the compound and how much advance notice you need from the chief and all to hear the changes i would say a week and we've already started that dialogue so you're comfortable that the process is in place so that you'll have the information you need and you'll have the staff available to do what you need absolute satisfy yourself absolutely ok roger how many people can actually be within one student tent that is air conditioned that that tent probably could hold i would say about thirty people again it was designed for cool down cool down what we ended up doing is separating it last year because we had so many people that needed treatment that we had one area that was a cool down and then we had a curtain and that backside is where we started doing treatment so the size of the tent worked out while the process worked out well the only thing that we needed to alter mid midstream last year was bringing more medical supplies into that tag because it was never designed to be a treatment facility and we've already started working on that in our in our discussions and again we'll have continued discussions on thursday night with jim nolan and everybody else just to make sure that we are ready for that and just so that everybody knows it has gained sometimes it's based off of folks want to know numbers that is a fifty  e person detail for the fired from a level five and in the only way that that would increase is if we need to supply supply more personnel in the compound area to support the police department look actually we've already had two meetings to discuss security operations traffic and parking issues and the problem that we have from an event that's day long with underage drinking and unfortunately binge drinking we're in the process of gathering additional resources it was evident last year we didn't have enough wagons and we're increasing the number of wagons to deal with the custody as we have we're facilitating resources also for the state police so that they will have adequate resources as well to deal with those areas of the park that they're going to have responsibility for we're also checking our internal process on how we're going to handle prisoners and what we're going to do with them the compound area is good for a typical football game and or a small concert several you have been up and see does a great job managing the function and such tippett oh downtowns able to manage the movement of prisoners to bail them out you know you have people coming in and pick them up from the station however processing and compound area so that we can have additional capacity that we can control and better control rather than have a situation that ended up developing and thankfully you know staff members stepping up to deal effectively with the large number of custody that really was and to subpoena them we also have people right now doing intelligence gathering brad paisley's traveling across the country he's doing although many smaller venues there's still something that can be learned about the crowd  we anticipate about fifty two thousand people which is slightly less than we had to deal with last time and we are going to me and they as we did last year their cars won't be allowed into the parking areas unless they have verification that they have a ticket to the show we are planning to have additional security not just security but officers in the parking lot and we're in the process of scheduling which watch will get filled first and therefore have specific attention early in the in that to try and identify miners and take appropriate action early my staff was really successful in that last year we took over sixty people in custody before six o'clock at night for minors and possession and of that was before we had the surge at the gates caused by moving people inside and would get a better going to try to better time that process so we're not loading all the gates at once because we're going to be opening up another booking center and have adequate personnel to start to have control of the people that you can accustom are you satisfied then with the manpower that you're going to have and the support you've received from the patriots to fund that manpower yes this hasn't been any question any indication we are going to be generating  roadside intoxication test because we have to speed up that process because of the numbers of people we're dealing with and we also will have portable wiser's and everywhere so a person can take  breathalyzer right then and there to make a determination if they're intoxicated if they've only had two beers a day all the way no one would want that tense but you're comfortable that the manpower you have assigned and planned is going to be  based on the fact that there's it's right now it's two o'clock four o'clock or five o'clock right and you know typically you know i'm not sure how much different brad paisley crowder's the you know depending on the heat of the day and such to make sure that we're ready because once you block up or one of then you start over the loss so if i could jump in i i really i'm happy you brought that up because again we played around with the bon jovi concert and we had a later scheduled date for the lots to open and then at the last minute we're back to what we normally open a lot to two o'clock we were trying to shoot for four o'clock and before you know it really one was completely jammed up and we're scrambling at two fifteen with phone calls trying to get people in to get pete because they had to get people off a little one and start opening  s i think we need to continue to use what we know is our good track record i look at last year again only being here nineteen months and continuing to count we open up a lot to ten o'clock and eleven o'clock last year yeah i still think that i agree i don't really care who the the country singer is it's country fast and the people are going to continue to show up the same times and so i know that i'm preparing for ten o'clock and eleven o'clock openings but i do continue to to talk a lot with the chief to make sure that we're ready because again when the state police start letting the men because jam jammed up i can't afford to be scrambling around trying to get my people in there and so i'm already shooting at ten another ten o'clock for the p town lots and eleven o'clock for the others just to be make sure the equipment and resources of there to protect those lines unless somebody comes up and says it's drastically going to be different than that's what i'm looking at because i don't i think you are of forward with that carlos of what someone says to you because as you said last year we can when you're behind the eight ball it's very hard to catch up right so  if the two chiefs think that you need to have been there at ten and eleven i think you ought to you ought to do which other kids right at the same time i want to discover it right i understand that people from coming  developed some contingency operations with meeting with the parking lot owners satellite lot owners next monday to discuss different strategies and of a show they're on board in terms of their emphasis on making sure that the unticketed don't arrive for them to take action if indeed they find large groups partying on their property in terms of notifying us so that we can respond police resources to deal with those people because if we don't get them there i'm going to end up with them on the stadium grounds in some fashion or another my my point chief was that you should continue to discourage them coming early but you paid the worst and at least worst case is you're successful and people come later and we've got some extra people earlier than we need right it's much worse to have the people coming there early or not having the people so i agree with that with the approach of anticipating  the worst and having the men there and women but encouraging the guests to come later as if you're trying ordinarily we have a lot operators doing the checking jacked up by police officer staff to make sure that and in some of the major watts they've created a zone where the vehicle can be turned around and shipped out and residents on traffic controls or times and how they can contact the police and physicians short our function really was an offshoot of staffing the hotline terms of a stadium advisory and also as a part of the process to review the application with the stadium and the major town boards for recommendation to your board  for identifying potential issues that either could exist could come up has come up in the past and then from a same advisory level to go to the event and to look at the areas that were considered hot spots observe for the board and for the various town chiefs and basically report back we send a report to the town manager after every event based on the facts were there any more than noise if it's a concert where there are any issues with the noise level any complaints and just really take a global look at what happened from a perspective of this next concert you know we'll have people up there are you know typically will go up on based on the traffic would just walk or ride a bicycle around through the lots of other people would be potentially inside just to you know observe the happenings go down to the to the police command center and you know really to be the eyes of the board and to report back so and to the extent to be allowed to you know talk out and give our opinion based on what we've seen in the past and ask issues at that meeting basically when the time when they were reviewing the their recommendations based on their concerns and their recommendations that you bring it to these guys in the town departments in the stadium well received you know it's been a very cooperative atmosphere you know obviously we were talking and this is a it's a pretty difficult concept based on the fact that it's a festival style you know it's the summertime you know and such but you know yes it's been very cooperative in george i wanted to ask if you could comment on from the bon jovi concert the report from the advisory committee did identify certain concerns internally for security at the stadium and without compromising any security recommendations that you made as a result of those observations had they been resp addressed i guess is what i'm asking  a chief would speak better to that but unfortunately he wouldn't test a paid that with an older audience that behaviors would have been improve however it is a trend at our facility and across the country that the number of custody at these events are increasing as a society incidents of binge  drinking across our entire nation have grown over fifty percent in the past decade compared to what they were according to your figures that the center for disease control could you talk for a couple minutes about the birth process that you and your folks go through i think some people think that they just walk around with the cops and no one checks them and just every week noise of what in fact you do you have an aggressive plan to address that could you just talk in general about the aggressiveness that your folks used to identify under age drinkers and as well as to deal with people that have had too much to drink while in the case of underage drinking i'm a big proponent of our bicycle team officers because they are able to move around the parking lots of very effectively get between cars and see a lot more than officers traveling in a cruiser or  even on foot because of the large distances if they see groups that they perceive to be under age they do stop and talks as do the walking officers that a deputy chief puts out  teams just to examine different people and if they feel that the people are under age they don't have propre identification they do follow up and if they discover anybody that's under age we have been taking them into custody and that's especially critical if the young man because there's been some debate well why don't you just summons of so you don't have to worry about them that young person has already had a drink or two we have an obligation to breaking the law take them into custody because we're protecting them because if we allow them to stay on the grounds impaired and something happens i'm sure one of their friends will have a picture on the cell phone headed to you two of officers that interacted with an underage person that was impaired and we let him go or her go because unfortunately the other trends the more young women become impaired at these events as well so we make a real concerted effort and again i have a talented staff working in alliance that know that that's a goal because we're saving people's lives by doing an extra breathalyzers will help you well as an additional start to if there's a doubt you can ask the right answer it will speed up the process because doing a field sobriety tests time takes time if the person wants to right then and there within a half a so it's fair to say that the three of you are satisfied with the process that is in place the preparation that's going into the concert the level of staffing and security except at this time this is not problems ok actually there is the board have comfortable as the professionals with the head count with the supplies with the process with everything and so i'm not sure that i feel we need to go into executive session to get into more  details other than what we've discussed your problem well i have different specific questions that i feel we need to that are only appropriate to discuss in executive session so i'm respectfully requesting that we take that time i'd like to make a motion that we enter into executive session to discuss security matters at the stadium second discussion i just want to make sure there's view publicly and they've given us enough information i think georges provide enough information i don't feel the need to go to executive session and if you know if i knew what the issue was i think it would be able to comment on it but if there's an issue that lorraine feels is out there based on something that happened not knowing what that issue is i don't know how else to get to it other than executives said we may get to executive session they may not wanted them to close and get back out but to say not to go in and not knowing what the issue why not ask some of your questions if they every locked in to answer them and i think that suggests that that constraint i think the chiefs know what that most concerned about in terms of security getting out and not getting so why not try some your questions and see where it goes i would be more comfortable in executive session asking the questions based on what we discussed in executive session last summer a general concern that i have with a jet of sessions and people that know me of heard this yes they become public some day you know last year there was a lot of executive sessions  security at the stadium i think it raised a lot of concerns i felt like what i knew or heard most about these executive sessions i read in the boston globe and i watched on television and i heard at the last week in the i think paul said that those minutes were released maybe they were maybe they weren't for the point is it's months later i somebody to like to be informed actually i have an interest in security at large events that's part of why i'm just hanging around here tonight  all minutes they can charge you a copy of a copy charge and i understand that but if it's an executive session that's my only way to figure out what happened months ago  i'm getting on the soapbox about that but my suggestion is that you're asking questions see what the reactions those when you're referring to i don't think designed to ask the question if it's not answered questions or question and you can choose not to or if it's something we feel should be answered and you know they're willing to answer it will say stop but just to go into executive session on the general base i think i have to agree that i'm uncomfortable doing that with the history i'm agree with that  well you know i suppose i could be harmless i'm going to go to go in a executive session but i think you know the kinds of questions of fairly obvious probably like for example how many officers will there be i think that's i think it should be discussed in exactly the chief sent his number publicly tonight the manpower in the funding in the sources to do it what difference if he tells you if it's ten or one hundred years well because you know there was history to it last year where the numbers you know there's a number in isolation there's a number  context and you know that context from last year both in our numbers that we understood that i'd like to hear some more about what the number is and this next well to be fair about it though from my perspective jim last year there was a difference of opinion between the head count that the police chief felt was necessary and the patriots felt was necessary so we had a series of meetings and ultimately the police chief came to a resolution with the new england patriots where he staffs the  functions with the number of people that he felt appropriate he staffed locations a b c d e with the numbers he felt was appropriate and the patriots paid in full for all of those decisions this year we've asked the question point blank to the chiefs are you comfortable you've got the resources are you come from with you had count have the pages given you any difficulty whatsoever and he's answered he's got enough people he's got the plan that down and that the patriots are in agreement and that he'll build them for the extra cost for the ask her questions as well and if that she feels that if he cannot answer those in open session then we'll all know that there are appropriate questions for executive session in the public we know they were appropriate questions and will go to executive session to do it if your comment is one that it is a bit that we discussed last year where you position people i'm pretty certain we didn't ask the chief that so in terms of trying to say that what i said is what we have what we taught the reason why we went into so many sessions is because there was a dispute between the number of people the feature it's wanted to fund and the number of people the chief wanted to have on duty that issue was resolved over a number of weeks we never got into a detailed discussion of position by position or position but the chief certainly did in the chief shared with us that he sat down with the patriots and went through every single assignment for every single person and why he thought there should be x why they thought should be whiny came to an agreement this year the chief is coming to us saying i don't have that same problem i have all the resources i need i have them where i need them i have a plan in place to address it i've got additional resources to cover breathalyzers and handcuffs and everything else and i haven't heard either of the chiefs indicate that there's any concern that they would have from a public safety standpoint well you know again i think it's fair for the slightly to license the event to ask the police chief how many officers will be there in like questions i just think it's fair and i think it's you know really you look at the reason for executive session it's public safety and it's almost self explanatory why we would need to go into executive session for that for that purpose if you don't want to that's  know i think larry you know we have asked these questions last year and prior boards of selectmen have asked the same question and there have been some you know tremendously difficult  outcomes that i want to make sure i understand certain details of what we discussed in terms of areas of staffing and how they are handled by the foxboro  police department and i just want to understand how they will be handled this year i just don't see what effect if you ask your question that she says absolutely i can those are valid questions there are appropriate questions and i should discuss an executive session i'm fine with that i don't know why you're hesitant to at least put your questions on the table so that people understand i just i've said your questions are related to staffing in different areas of the stadium and the numbers of staffing in those areas and what basically will be done in those areas that's what my questions are specifically about town council do you have anything to suggest that we shouldn't be going into of these this discussion as you know the upcoming law was revised effective july one a new open meeting or permits an executive session for the deployment of security devices and personnel whether you go into executive session or not is for the board to decide there is the law that permits you to do so thank you so via that law i'm requesting that we enter into executive session ok there's a motion on the floor and one discussion on favor of going into executive session i session so the meaning for the boys like liz now concluded we will go into executive session and john a