the memorial day parade coming up on may thirtieth as the reconvening of the annual town meeting on june second is the read schedule town day from nine am to four pm in the town center and june third is the belmont high school graduation congratulations to the class of twenty eighteen at belmont high june eighteenth is going to be at eight pm public form your town hall on post closure uses of the incinerator site for the public to come and give us your ideas as to what you would like to do on the incinerator site so that again eight pm june eighteenth at the town hall auditoriums should also note that porch fest is coming up in september and currently if you go online if you want to have band playing live on your porch during porch fest you can sign up online and that is com that is a community announcements comments from town residents for items that are not on the  agenda moving on to actions by consent supplemental request form one thousand budget poetry's yes ok so in your package is the list of supplemental request by departments i'm just going to go through them intending to tell you where i am with each one i would like to know before i start that any additional funding above and beyond what's already been presented to the budget would be coming out of the stabilization fund we did receive additional aid in chapter seventy two house two yeah i think the total was one hundred forty five thousand what we we apply that to the budget but we took it out we had one point five million came out of state now we have more like one point three she uses the rep ok so for the library number one into the library ask for extended hour or so and increase minimum wage for a total of ten thousand five hundred dollars i spoke to the library director who spoke to the chairman of his library trustees and they're going to try and fit this in within their current operating ok fire the assessment center this that both of these the the assessment center for the fire department and the ls coordinator we you know i would recommend at this time to wait there's really no funding for it within the current operating budget it's not like a core most i mean as with all the supplemental budget request these are items that were just of people know were not requested by the department in their budget these are additional asks i do think the assessment center is one to look but we can look at it maybe find it was coordinator doing something for the future but that was just trouble regionalization we talked about yeah right because there might be opportunities you know so in terms of number five the fire which is the half time data analysis and then if you run down to item number eleven for the police i had a meeting with both chiefs for the i and we talked about exactly what we want to do we're still working on this we do feel maybe adding a part time person might help both of their situations in them and potentially grow the position but we're still trying to work out exactly what the department's need and there was an ongoing conversations  yeah that's about a twenty hour week position so if they grant comes through is it immediately applied or is that grant for now we will get to that we will know by the way the state grants usually work as we get the reimbursement agree but it's a way to maybe try and see what the reason are disagreeing with your approach for trees i'm just saying that we have very few requests from c away and i feel strongly that we need to fund this and if she's fine with doing that there seems to be it wasn't directly solely at seniors it was addressing a more of a town wide need for for some social work that was lacking what we first attempted to do was to see if we could work with the board of health since there seemed to be overlapping needs for this position that they were requesting and then the item of the use coordinator came up and we were kind of trying to figure out what we could do and we settled on putting the youth coordinator first and seeing what we could do about the social work for the next from the health department oh they extend better an is as we are all right while i agree with you but i'm looking at the council meeting the amount of money that we spend in our seniors and is minimal and we have an aging population in the say it again for some folks is that have to do this and the small money excellent in terms of the health for the road and control in the hoarding i wasn't able to identify this this seemed to me more i wonder investigate it seemed more like one time funding and i i had some ideas that i threw out to them and we need to get feedback in terms of the clear goal for the board's lachman this is just something i had i had put forward it was more of it to make government a little bit more to vote on anything around yeah they're still working on the budget the state you know seasonal help what i had suggested to the department of public works is currently they have an opening i had asked them to hold off on filling that position so they could use that money during the for and then finally the school resource officer we've identified funding within the police department budget to fund this position wonderful so to me the one thousand budget so it's an added position in the chief is going to we are able to find it through retirement you guys are at the league night last night the went through all of this and we've certainly gone through all this i would suggest we not through these in the order that they're being taken up the motions are most of them we've discussed and they're not grossly you know controversial this year there are a couple we're meriting some discussion article twenty two which is going to the first article coming up on may thirtieth because may thirty is basically capital night and sort of june for this budget night if you want break it the fire station repairs but it's one of those things where nobody's happy about it but it has to be done i have a choice and six hundred thousand is coming from precast to fund it right and half of it and half of it's you know half of the one point two million for the fire caucus i attended and several other things i've seen so yeah article sixteen enterprise funds for water sewer storm water services this is to do with the ones water main replacement this is not this is the other this is the water article twenty three for the moment because it's the same discussion article fifteen's the salaries of elected officials and with a voice like can recommend fable action or fifteen second all those in favor article eighteen vote to fund the revolving funds these are the revolving fund maximums that are set forth in the motion the only thing that's new this year is the non school property maintenance fund which last year was created for the first time but favor by article twenty four authorization to adjust the spousal benefit for surviving spouses a retiree's twenty four and the twenty five which is authorization to increase cola base by the time of war these are the two retirement board articles they were brought forward last year one of them has been changed from last year these are the ones that the town meeting rejected last year with the boards like and vote on them was split last year yet i don't recall the minutes when i'm ready to vote on this can you explain your plain article that are collecting and i'm going to give account of the following months they're collecting seventy five hundred dollars sixty nine hundred six thousand dollars those are the renewal pensions with this is asking town meeting to approve this to move those spousal benefits up to twelve thousand dollars that's the same spousal benefits which teaches have in the town of belmont teachers have the twelve thousand dollars spousal benefit town employees do not so we're trying to do is get parity and then as far as the overall cost from the pure economics annually this is fifteen thousand four hundred fifty six dollars seven i think i can tell you they're they're probably not of where i'm where i'm at right now ok to give you an idea of where the rage is and that's about as far as going to go and from an i'm from unfunded liability perspective that in every you know we have or in every year wherever the the annual cost of this is fifteen thousand for fifty six now there are right now seven chips and seven might outlive the spouse so let's assume they're a seven and what we're what we're talking six i'm probably yeah well you know fifty fifty mach you know so what we're talking about here is an annual cost probably in the neighborhood of about thirty five thousand dollars you know if we had that entire risk coming our way so but you know the pitch here is really from a talking point i'll talk about twenty five ok but we'll talk about twenty five are these are the only two in aggregate or are the pension plans fundamentally different in other mean other ways yes you know i really don't know i don't know that much about the teacher so i well i will say one thing that you know they get the really no different than a ton of belmont they hit the road for thirty two years in the system and they can retire retiree board bring it back i feed it and we have it with i me was i brought it back because you brought that i brought it back because i don't think the economics of this in the parody was really explained properly and there were there were with the cola base so right now the town employees cola base is twelve thousand dollars so three press said cole increases three percent twelve thousand and twenty other words the who call it the cost to live in is three hundred sixty dollars that's a given already last year the retirement board wanted to increase to cola base to fourteen thousand  to thirteen thousand the incremental change is thirty dollars that that's what we're talking about would target incremental change of thirty going from three sixty to three ninety now the actual increase in  two thousand and nineteen appropriation is nine thousand nine hundred sixty dollars from an unfunded liability perspective it's one hundred twenty nine thousand six hundred for the period  my feeling in these last two i think i was the one on these last year i'm going to have an open mind on him and i don't appreciate the twenty five actually is coming back this year at a lower number it was fourteen thousand last year base and now it's coming in thirteen that's correct and so actually big twenty five is not exactly the better than last year's version of twenty five so there's that i preach it to retirement board you were just doing that so i'm keeping an open mind on the problem of what i said a time beating last year was you know we have this big unfunded liability and while these don't add these and like a million seven thousand dollars to the spousal benefits and it had one hundred twenty nine thousand to the cola i thought you hate your theory of well that that's that's the full three hundred ninety dollars we're talking one thing that came up last night was roy epstein here one committee had raised area and raised the issue of that he said he had last year's actuarial study on this version of this last year at fourteen thousand which came up with the number that he can't figure out what the number is from twenty five based on last year's actuary on the prior years version of this article and he was asking last night if so if i me was asking you whether we could he could get some information on where we were trying to get that data right i quickly took a shot of coming up full understood and i guess one of the if we're going to hold off on it which i think we should again one of the question i would ask is if the argument is fairness i ask that we look at that pension plans more broadly and make sure that they are substantive same on all other financial dimensions i don't have access to the teachers pension plans information we need time i think we can try and locate you know this is this is a vote that i think is important one and you know the board said consider it and present it to tell you i mean it's i can see it significant the baileys was last year as well it's really the principle of it more than is that i mean i certainly feel sympathetic to you know spousal retirees and surviving spouses and i certainly feel sympathetic that the numbers aren't earthshaking in terms of our major pension liability but it's one of those things where we're trying to shrink it not grow and i get it like i said i'm keeping an open mind with that i do appreciate their time aboard came back with twenty five at a lower number this year so i take that in the spirit in which it's being offered and we vote for this prior to the time he went through what we would have to do on the testing and move those requirements forward on the d p that we are having to do because we took title and then had certain deadlines by which the town has to start cleaning incinerator site and this is sort of step one to demo the building and start that work which leaves i the total presentation is six slides that includes the cover slide so it should be very brief meaning so if the seven seventy is removed from the stabilization fund it leaves a balance of two point seven one nine so well and that's fine i mean we can have the public hearing went on june eighteenth the data clock in town so we can sort of the first for that say you know this is the uses that we've been discussing over time but you know some updated with b p is on on this as well with what if any pressures we're hearing from them i just want to stress that you know that we had kind of a hiatus while the ownership issue was being addressed get thank you next to six lies now wright said it article twenty is the appropriation other post employment benefits stabilization fund you may recall this is that relatively small amounts to the as far as the greater scheme of opap that we put towards open every year so we can say we're putting money towards open while we're paying the interest in your calculation in the policy that we adopted mr charter so this is the four hundred seventy two thousand and ninety two dollars and this also is including the the budget and it's all broken now with all the series of motions obviously the work committee did its usual bang up job with a very detailed report breaking down where all this money is coming from and going to and we've certainly had the budget book as well we've interviewed the department heads and i comfortable with the budget personally it's certainly not a dramatic budget year we're not you know get level service level service balanced budget i mean it's like can recommend fable action on our second i was in favor enough to give a really long distance sort of retrospective review but the idea is to set goals for next year for next year's review so we'll have something against which to measure the only thing that i had maybe to ad under under goal for which is economic development would maybe be the added number five which was look for new growth opportunities which i know from talking with you you're doing but i think that's something i want to call out because if it's not on the list i will probably forget next year to ask where we a i'll just say for this is six goals ones finance budget two is operation service delivery three is open in transparent government force economic development five public communication and six is personal and professional growth want to thank just reporter our h r director for helping put this together and soliciting all of our input to be honest other than that one change i thought this was super and pretty much hit everything on a few to have anything to and then i went to see what  just have to tell me to proceed coordinates a nice favorable to the other one is a goal to i guess point three talk to the whole department heads accountable by providing in your performance reviews does that imply that there are departmental goals that are set for each department is that part of the acme and that you part i think that yeah what just my been talking about this pretty much since i have gotten here there's a practice that there's a four percent merit for department heads nonunion apartment if they're below the midpoint and we talked about that and this big ness of what the midpoint is really didn't make sense to me what i'd like to do is institute  early the department heads whether you're above or below the midpoint doesn't matter if you're performing well and above or exceed expectation that's going to be determined what you're increase of true very angry that's what i'd like to work on and goals and developing goals and things like that you say become active in state organization so i don't really have anything that is i think that we historically have not been active for as much as we should have been or can be and that may never also include our other partner has as well i think you can learn so much from  it really for well how busy you are and how others are but activity active in the main from the ideas that are being generated here is for is actually part of the recommendations of the financial taskforce in the town government section to reach out and create  you know collaborative opportunities and discussions with other town administrators in other cities and you know pounds and also through him and me as well so it's something and then i would do that now it's just that you know by the time i left my previous town i knew pretty much everyone in the area and being here for only four months i haven't been able to develop those relationships but so that's one of my mingles is to really establish relationships with it's because of the people here in the fact we started late i'm going to skip for a moment not just a moment i do want time to be here for this part of the slip and summer meeting schedule piece because we do have people here and i do want to get to the d p w piece  was finished and is working well i think the iraqi air so that's good thanks to the belmont savings bank which helped us with the fund raising for the excess amount of money that we needed to complete the pool they set up a challenge grant for the for the town that was mad and even more money was raised people in belmont really responded it was obvious that everybody thought the pool was a very important piece of the community so as a result the full committee is here this evening and allen has a check for sixty eight thousand dollars which is the excess amount that was raised and that we did not use for the and that will be used and i will just read the pieces because people might be interested in what it can be used for the fun can be used for replacement of one eye damage shade structures at the site replacement will be substantially the same in size and shape as the existing structure also for additional shade structures as deemed necessary and second for replacement of existing landscaping materials including dead disease shrubs and plants and trees  trees and yes accuse me and the responsible parties upon the request from the recreation commission any portion of the contributed funds the treasurer of the excuse me the treasurer shelter transfer the requested amount to  the town budget for the desired purpose we felt very strongly that we can't really replace the pool with that amount of money but there were two things there were two pieces that might the town might find it difficult to take care of one those shade structures which were very real and quite expensive but also i think are very necessary and the other is the landscaping and we all know how difficult it is to keep up landscaping and public buildings  o i think we all feel that the landscaping that is there is extremely important to the success of the pool if you take a walk along concord avenue of you'll notice that the new trees that were put in after some objections  and now casting shade so that's really nice looks great yeah so you know this is fantastic we did our things are very final pool meeting voted to say we don't know the number of how much extra money we have or whatever there was we would be giving to the town for this purpose and it's good to see it actually we should back up to the permanent audit committee presentation by robert keef and floyd carmen so why don't we do that members of the permanent audit committee consist of frank caruso robert forester glen logan and myself robert keefe who is now the chair of the committee is appointed by the board of selectmen on a three year rotating basis also serving on the committee per  by laws are the selectmen representative who this year is tom computer though as well as the town accountant in town treasurer as reported in our annual report the town's bylaws require than an audit be carried out not less than once every three years but we undertaken an audit every year for several reasons one of which is federal regulations require this as we are recipients of certain funds as well as to help insure the maintenance of the town's aaa credit rating belmont as you know is one of a limited number of cities and towns in the commonwealth with a aaa credit rating which allows us more favorable rates in lower borrowing costs the town was last rated in april of two thousand and eighteen the town of audits the town of belmont financial statements for the year ended june thirtieth two thousand and seventeen were audited by powers and sullivan l l c the town received an unmodified opinion dated january thirty first two thousand and eighteen on its financial statements the town's financial statements for the year ended june thirtieth two thousand and seventeen also include the results of the light department for the year ended december thirty first two thousand and seventeen which were audited by other auditors the town received unmodified opinions on its report on federal award programs in addition no material control weaknesses were identified during the audits the auditors highly commended our financial team for their cooperation and record keeping the belmont like department financial statements for the year ended december thirty first two thousand and seventeen were audited by google a cell video in associates p c the palm the belmont light department also received an unmodified opinion dated may ninth two thousand and eighteen on its financial statements though they were just wrapped up in addition no material control weaknesses were identified during the audit the auditors did note that this year the delays experienced during the prior year audit were favorably resolved in two thousand and seventeen with the current year audit being completed on a more timely basis that's my report i'm happy to answer any questions at good evening gentleman i see you again see i mean we're talking about article twenty three as well as yes let me give you a very quick overview as you know it special time meeting last november the town meeting approved the formation of a building committee for the d p w and about police station project by the middle of february the building committee had hired an owner's project manager and an architect and we were off and running and so what we're bringing to the annual town meeting is a plan to address both facilities without a debt exclusion so the highlights are this d p w is kind of the more simple one we have a plan to add modular units to the back of the building and a small module unit to the front of the building and some renovations within the building to accomplish everything we had identified which is gender equal gender facilities showers toilets  administrative space accessible administrative space space for our contractors to come in and check in in snowstorms and those kinds of things as well as to have laboratory facilities we also in the modulars in the rear have laundry services and we have flexible space that can be used for meetings for training and for quiet space again during snow marg when our employees are out on the roads for eighteen hours at a stretch within the building as i said accessible and renovated administrative space but also break room space greatly expanded so that all of our employees can be there and have a break that's the easy one the for one of the cost for that and all the numbers that i'm going to give you are the absolute top cost so we have a we have a range from the architect and that range has been reviewed by the firm that are o p m works for dateless and we are figuring everything on the top cost so that we won't be caught without enough money  so the top figure for all that i've just described at the d p w is one point four million now we get to the police station well let me back up one more point about the d p w is that is in the grand scheme of things a temporary fix the goal is that within ten years there will be a plan for an entirely new facility down there in the front in puerto rico we're going to let me talk about the police station then talk about the bonding because we're bonding everything as if it were one project so the police station as you know our original goal was to do a similar thing a short term fix with an eye towards a long term permanent facility potentially located on the  site as we got into the work with our architect we discovered that through the talents of our architect we actually could achieve a permanent facility that met all the needs of the police department on the site with an addition and with renovations and once we walked our way through that we said why would we do anything else however of course the cost is more than we cited for you last november so what we've done is with an additional roughly ten thousand square feet of space added on to the back of the building as well as the sally port on the pleasant street side we have achieved all of the gender equal locker room toilet facilities holding cells appropriate office and meeting space conference room interview areas the sally port is now the safe prisoner entrance and we have an improved and safer prisoner processing area everything that the police department could ever ask for has been met by these plans eight compliance once we touch both buildings this applies to both buildings all building codes are masked all eighty eight codes are mass so the building is sprinkled we have added not just an elevator in the center of the building which means accessible both for the public and the employees but a second set of stairs in the back of the building so now you have to stairway means of us which is another safety feature we also have additional parking which helps so that's whole package top number on that seven point five million which is extraordinary and i will say as we worked on these plans as we took incremental steps d p w and police personnel working with us step by step meeting by meeting and each time we looked at them and said go back to your people and make sure that this is ok and they would return to us with suggestions and comments which we took into account so both sets of employees are happy with what we're offering for them so the top figure combined hundred twenty five million absolute minimum of twenty million could have gone up from there twenty five twenty eight thirty site is an easier site to deal with so building new there would have been less expensive than across the street because across the street is a very problematic site and we saw that in the feasibility studies that were done in the mid two thousand so the original figure for the police station was two point eight but now this is the fix we're not coming back in ten years for a new building anywhere this is this so for seven point five you get the whole package across the street to get this is the best case scenario of your committee so well i mean think about it right i mean location this solves all the problems in the police you know they like to be in belmont center and i get it and it's nice to have that visibility in elmont center eliminates any pushback from the way to the street neighborhood appropriately so for locating it down there it eliminates i need to quickly try to deal with the t and the owners across pleasant street because we were proposing an accurate crossing of the tracks to facilitate eager for both of these facilities down there so that takes all that off the table which is saying in place and we're making it work but honestly this is like the dream scenario it's almost too good to be true but it's also it is and and they'll tell you we just got lucky i guess that we hired a very talented architect he works with his own firm it's a small firm so he's been in on smaller projects like this this is not somebody who's going to do the high school but he's just committed engaged to this and i think he's intrigued with the issue with the problems that are there and how to solve those problems so i think we all have a really nice working relationship with him and in particular i would highlight that a member of our building committee mike smith is also on the historic district commission and so he has been advocating throughout for the historic preservation of the facade well not just a facade three sides of that building and the architect has been very open to that and he and mike of work very well together and so what we have doesn't touch the three sides of the historic facade so basically what we're doing you're not going to see except for the sally port on pleasant street all the construction is out the back we have a public meeting this thursday which we will unveil everything the architect will be there will have all the drawings in the floor plans we also will show those at town meeting the architect will be present a town meeting to show those two i didn't bother to nice to get back to your funding question so the total is eight point nine million for both buildings it was clear to us and clear going back to major capital projects that we couldn't mess with the high school so we needed to be able to do this without going out for debt exclusion and so therefore through the very creative work of floyd and patrice here's what we're going to do we are going to bomb and seven point four million dollars a thirty year bond that equals four hundred forty thousand in annual debt payments we will take approximately one million dollars five hundred  ninety thousand of that from the candle fund for the additional design work that's needed to complete the project so we at town meeting last november had a chunk of design money and we still have a substantial amount of that left over so that will be applied but we need more to finish the project because you go through design development and construction documents so we'll need an additional five hundred ninety thousand to do that that have come out of the candle fund when we're done the buildings need to be furnished so furnishings fixtures and equipment we don't anticipate that to be a large number we're plugging in about four hundred thousand for that we actually have cost estimates for it that can come out of the capital discretionary funds both of those buildings will not open the same year the d p w will be built very quickly and will open first and probably a year later the police station so that spreads the hit on the capital budget ouch that leaves us with an additional half a million dollars that we may or may not need to cover depending on how the bids come in what we've identified is a series of one time funds debt that's rolling off the books capital turned back money floyd and patrice have a list of where this money is coming from and have assured us that they can make this happen so i think the town can be very pleased that they can achieve these two buildings what we've talked about for years make these two buildings happen without a debt exclusion which  especially have a premise solution for the police state yes you know cheap compared to the whole thing pliers you know going with us and what it would cost you're sorry right so what we need is a vote on article twenty three so i want to think you know the marine particularly you momentarily i think the kind of fun thing for us is to watch the evolution within our committee of the response from jay market mike santoro chief mclaughlin and jamie make isaac you know they came in skeptical ok so this is the proclamation which i get this is not that long saying israel which is whereas belmont day school fifty five days schooling by months of private school teaching from before pre kindergarten all the way up through eighth grade and where is belmont day school focuses on the development of both cognitive and non cognitive skills in young adolescents positions are students for future success and worst bulma day school is now produced to students who've won the two thousand and eighteen masters as water resources authority m w r a selectman i should know that friday at nine o'clock a dear island there's going to be an award ceremony for all the winners in the state of which are two of the residents will be there i'm going to go to cheer you on and i was not the deer islands the greatest place to go  place after people stop i read about a school of flounders which was actually the i took the idea of a previous writing i did that i entered in two years ago well fantastic congratulations on winning the state competition like that's that's fantastic by the way to represent b the belmont day school as well it's great when we come up we could take a photograph maybe of franklin you want to do you do the honors we want to give each of you with  ten am till five pm someone here from for the events that we talked about with the police department and what their recommendations were for police detail for us which was the other piece we had to sort out before meeting with you because it expanding more of the street being closed makes the detours a little more interesting but not but very doable i mean there's a lot going on in cushing square and some of these detours have already been used in the past few weeks so this came right from the chief of police and he seems to think this will be the best way to sort of detour around the area which will minimize the you know traffic right at the site and allow everybody to be able to access their homes the residents that are right about hers to this event and this we've met with them and it seems to work well and they'll be driving around putting up the signs if you explored just looking at where those need to be but we agreed on the need for one lieutenant throughout the whole day and then probably two in the morning in two in the afternoon so there's always an overlap of three any given time during the event so that was reasonable and they're getting back to us on the actual cost for that and other than that i it seems as though the police and fire are i think that this is a workable scenario and for us it will just expand this event so that we can actually raise more money to be able to fund this event you know bring in more rise but will actually have more space to be able to sell table space to other belmont businesses and other crafts people we hope to bring in which will help fund some of the ride in the fall is his busiest time of the year so the fact that jerry for town he was able to get a rain date from the ride gentlemen north american amusement is amazing to me so right he's the one that drives the whole event so when as we get closer to the about we're going to have to look at that with him and see if he has an available date that would work and i don't know that that will be the case so we're all going to cross our fingers and toes for good weather youth hockey programs skate programs for roughly about four hundred kids a year ages all the way from four up to eighteen and support about twenty teams in about eight different development programs for larger scale and larger play much in the way there's been some creative financial solutions to other capital projects here earlier tonight hopefully this can be one that could also fit that bill and basic idea before i get into the details is that we're the largest user of the rink  our teams our practices the leagues that we play and so we pay the lease for time in a lease come back and buy time in belmont is roughly seventy percent of the revenue per year in the rink and we actually buy more time in other rinks around new england to fill the needs for all of our teams so the idea if we consolidate our purchasing power and as a user we could apply those fees to debt that could fund a new facility and so that's basically the idea we're working on here and so when we came at this many years ago the idea was this project while recognized as important was not as important as many of the projects in town and i don't think anyone in belmont you thought he disagrees that police department and the public works and school all are more important so we look for a creative solution to say well look we could apply our user fees what we raise and what we pay to debt they could get the project on so that's the basic idea  so if i talk about the site so this project started actually seven years ago and then when it's really picked up some and some thanks to mark and some other folks who sort of got behind it the high school project got accepted and the idea of building on pressure on the space that is on concord after day that's absolutely clear and the design that we did which you're looking at which is now you know three and a half years old was done in a way where what we were asked to do is everything west of paris field a soccer field which we'd love to be full sized there's of our city softball field which we'd love to retain we want you know the skating rink facility and you know we want additional facilities that could be used to support the high school so we need more rooms we need restroom facilities we need meeting rooms additional public space and we need a lot of parking to support both the pool which was you know in process at the time and  additional library events and you name it so the design you're looking at was based on conversations from the three and a half years ago where it accomplished increasing the scale of what the recreational facility was doing so it's not just a skating rink now it actually provides additional space for other recreational needs in town indoor soccer indoor baseball community events blood drives our players whatever that could be it provides one hundred eighty parking spaces it created a new sort of safe drop off area of concord out for the entire sort of sports complex and then it retained the varsity softball field and created a full size soccer field relative to the one that's there today now that the site is completed with the high school there's probably a whole second process that has to go under but probably the first thing to question is the citizen of whether it goes on concord have or to an alternate site so i'm admitting that this design was done based on specifications that were requested three and a half years ago and that may all change now given that what's going on there tends to be complimentary with the high school project today but also say there's the challenge of can you build two things at once could this be done for the expert here is that the last set of repairs that were made were were deemed by the maintenance crew to be you know essentially the fast possible repairs they could make to the infrastructure it's that old so you're just dealing with a patient that's that's you know its night life and so the next failure is likely to be catastrophic and that's that's not is the point and that's the point and we but we can't predict that weather this year or in three years it's certainly not eight and it's probably not five so that's hard to predict ago without what the new high school is going to look like and then more recently we started discussing whether this could fit into the incinerator site right because one of or one of the very high quality ways to cap that site would be be a private right situation situations that need to be sort of run down that's correct and those are not resolved was the time when the the use is not i don't think the biggest challenge at this point the biggest challenge is you know we're going to take some money out of stabilisation take down the building do some more engineering work it's the the cost to cap the site which we would have to find additional cost to cap it and then the other part is getting the final v p approval and a law that takes a significant amount of time and my concern is that you don't have the time to wait for us to get to a point where the cap is that a point where you most most single rinks are money losers there they're right on the border the same infrastructure consists of puerto rican half and the way hockey practices tend to work is you tend to give a team a half a sheet of ice and so you can move from two teams practicing per hour to three there's also a world in which usa hockey has changed children under the age of eight now play hockey games on a half rink much the way you play basketball on an eight foot rim or you know baseball on a living diamond frank actually gets a tremendous amount of damage to man for birthday parties and figure skating for little kids and and all the events i just talked about so it becomes a very very effective means of utilizing a facility that has she also can come down during when it's not winter the other three seasons and b field house space for other indoor sports facilities and so you know one of the conversations with the building of the high school is that without additional athletic space for all the new you know craze that are moving down to that campus the additional field house space that would be created by this is very appealing the additional locker room spaces very pealing and so it is in one sense it's complimentary but obviously that the challenge of you know managing to building projects whether one can get done before the other are all things that we have to get resolved do you have a sense of what construction timelines would be i mean for this facility you know from shuttles on the ground to don is is pretty standard a fifteen month  period so it's relatively quick but again it's complicated by the timeline so if i mean and the other piece is if if the concord have sight was the choice we would probably be able to have enough time now to put something on town meeting in the fall that's currently west of paris feel to stay there and add significant parking so you retain the ring facility it grows in size from one to it's over the current design which was which is favored for lots of reasons but again this is conceptual so it's nothing that's nothing final here was was to not create a building that would interrupt the continuous flow of the fields so there's one idea of moving to the end of the other idea was put into the front so that you create an entrance way to the athletic facilities and so the design you're seeing is the one of the front that creates kind of the entrance way to the athletic field so it has but it maintains a contiguous field so that if you know twenty five years do you want to reorient the track you don't have a building in the way right in the  eighty thousand square feet with two full size my streets right so what we did there and again was just look at the possibility of what's the maximum building you could put out here whether that's the right thing to do the economics of a building and a half seem to be pretty appealing but we were just we were just asked you know what could you put in that site and you know could that building anchor you know if you put other you know soccer fields and little the fields and i things around it could you then have an anchor sort of restroom changing room building right that's that's house by the rink and so that's the concept and i know you've been at this a long time i was going to ask your guest been talking to the school department the right commission and all to work on this so primarily been working think the the the project really hasn't had momentum until maybe a little bit recently and i think we're we're trying to find support for that concept of it before we got into any really detailed discussions  association who's in fact managing to reach and you know the high school teams in the other teams you know other towns have done it this way so no i'm saying that that all has to be worked through in the you know the school committee so that they have to be on board with this whole point of view and also the host building yeah so that's exactly right there's a lot of details be worked out but i think that the point of seeing the school committee and you tonight is is their support for moving forward to getting to the pretty level of detail that that all of it would have to take place next time we get to the answer  belmont youth hockey is certainly the largest user of the rink we have programs there too we're probably the second largest user i've heard discussion about the school and its needs i've heard discussion about all sorts of programs i have yet to hear any discussion of the recommendations needs in the rec departments needs so what i would like to see in this process is the rec commission being involved mean you talk about driving the process forward that's what your recommendation is here to help you do so i would suggest that we become involved in the process  would like to have a representative from the committee not me because i have my other ones i'm already building committee although i may find myself doing it but i do think we need to represent our representative on that to make sure that our needs are met as well know like my daughter did figure skating through the rec department of the current rinks so i know the current committees but when we go back five or seven years we met with them and we created all the hours that are there today would be given to the rec committee free so all the existing hours for existing programs would be retained in the new building it was only going to do is talk about so it's it was done a long time ago and this went on hold because of the high school project and it just has been sitting in hiatus waiting for christ but i don't think there's any formal understanding or there is something understanding anywhere yeah well that's why i'm saying no i just see if it's a public private partnership instead of a private organization making a private if you want to do that that's on  private side if it's a private public partnership then i think the public entity that that manages many of the skating programs if we are the open skates at least should have a seat at the table that's all and we're not trying to control you know we built a big financial model years ago in terms of you know the essentially that konami of this work and that there's a certain number of hours that the high school and the rec committee used in the rink today that they would be allocated those hours in exchange for the land and so it equated up to a few hundred thousand dollars of rental time and so rather than paying cash for the land the lease would be exchanged for time in the rink and so the rink would be privately managed but the rec program like any other feel user would be allocated you know i don't know what the number was a couple hundred hours you know per year so what happens if during the term of the lease you're finding it hard to get people to use the ice time during the time that you've allotted for those altered i would think i mean so so the you know we can go through all the financials of some point what's going to happen in those organizations like belmont youth hockey and some figure skating organizations bosses getting cup and others are going to make long term commitments as has resellers for big blocks which is going to allow us to finance the building and so a bunch of private non profits are going to step up to actually acquire the space and that's going to create free space for the town high school and for the record program so but the building for this to work has to be privately managed right it's going to be a private building and they're going to have to charge the rates that they require to make back and so you know the race for belmont you talking in the current users are going to go up substantially relative to what they are today we look at this is a situation in which the rink is it is catastrophic and right now your kids you know from heat sixteen are driving up to sixty miles to go to a practice and hoover and all those are the places bed we for the the pro street playground tennis courts we got three bids back which is the lowest of the three course that we've done but the low bidder was century paving refused last year they were great i don't recommend them they came in under bed they came in at two hundred seventy five thousand six hundred forty dollars and i was with a  alternate that we normally would that we didn't do in the other two courts there's a little bit different design for the courts because of the baseball field that's right there the think the oil field they're going to kind of like kitty corner but we would like to start this work mid july when baseball season and summer ball and and they can shift over to the grocery side for baseball and have no interruptions or no conflicts with the schedule and it's about a sixty day project and like i said they've done work for us last year and they were great so i highly recommend them and you got three bids and everything and everything came in that big bomb came in their background everything our agenda is approval would change of hours liquor license application amendment for our specialties l l c at three sixty nine propeller road and the applicant is requesting a continuance to june fourth which i have no problem with you know and we've continued to move make sure that we don't lose any bank we worked it out and we're going to put i believe flour bucket benches that's great when the bank close that too i think on saturday that's where it is like weekends this is when they're going to start i tell you but she went in the hall well like patrice i have attached the trash exemption form that we are requesting residents who want to apply for an exemption to the sixty four gallon trash barrel and the ninety six gallon cycling car the formless criteria for residents who would but we're trying to institute fairness across the board for people to understand exemptions want to just say look i can't do it and so give me the thirty five balance we don't want that because then the sixty four is what we're implementing right and they can wield it or they just don't need it see that's that's where we are in terms of yes that's what i'm saying i mean i think the exemption forms a good idea but how do we determine that well just because they don't want it really isn't a people because people of ifs asked about this dispensation and i've had them call it you know d p w and then they call in and i've had different people having different results and i think the problem in the know how come she got it and i didn't get it i think we need to do criteria so regulations it's beautifully sunny sunny day and finally i have been working with a backer richards a representative of the belmont gallery of the are in the home or building some time ago there was interest in placing directional scient outside the building to identify the location of the gallery member  meeting i had with the the the group running the art gallery that they find that people can't find them because they're on the top floor of the home or building and that they want to sign but i know from when we talked about kiosks now out here that the historic district commission is very sensitive as to the look of signs and how they go and what they look like that they meet the historic nature of this complex so that's always been kind of like why they never know i and so we're finally that looks like they're going to get together and come up with the song so we got together the member the h t c was very receptive and attend their mean first week in june the point i'm making is that based on last night's meeting that you you had to recuse yourself with the underpass will we leave a lot relieve some pressure on the traffic issues at the new still active they're still active we changed their cards from come up with a plan to go find the money so so that's i don't have much to report other than the concern that we need to move it forward thank you ok we have minutes from  wednesday may thirtieth at five pm of all my high school in the conference room by the principal's office prior to town meeting where i know we will be voting on articles twenty four twenty five their time with four articles among other items that may show up on our agenda