as a necessary ingredient right and so it wasn't so much a debate about dr miller's expertise or the lack thereof as the debate about what constituted  an appropriate educational program for this student right and what whether given he was a necessary ingredient of that and that i have no answer i think you're right about that but i think that that's where the s r o is wrong in that in effect have changed that opinion but he but particularly as our o's saying look it is very she's returning to the same school to a different program because they now have a duty to set up where they didn't before and she's going to be in a smaller class size and it just sounds to me like your objection is to something about the way the s r o in labor older dr miller as an expert for something less than what is what  where does the the the purported lack of respect for his expertise actually manifest itself in the decision making process because she never never qualifies him in a similar manner to a school over twenty times and never once recognizing that there was a contract between the district and the s and p and dr miller ever recognizing that dr miller was in the program again never put seem to be getting any additional relief based on the failure to identify her in two thousand and fifteen so clarify what difference it would make to your client if the district had june instead of october trying to during that period of time i'm architected like can tell counseling services are so sorry like what would what would one of those things be i guess i'm just curious counselling for instance which is the main thing that she needs but she's in the hospital last that's why i don't understand hospital she was switched to she was really not stable in the context of someone who might have not been in the hospital for her two months the prior year and w evidence that she had a breakdown similar to the spring appointed ok i think you said in response to a question a moment ago that you agree that her i was not really calling the school i mean a good idea i guess i'm just curious what this means and it does say that the that the school personnel are going to consult with dr miller to support d d t skills and techniques and it does it is the school is going to doing various exercises for you know coping strategies and so in which i take it would be informed by duty but it so that you agree that the school implementing the t sixteen and p would not itself need to implement a d p t program they needed to collaborate with dr miller on how to i think a by monthly basis for one hour to time itself a year later were less than a year later actually in the time simultaneous was looking into the p p p programs and then chose the program where they placed for the following year for the purpose of providing dr wouldn't overcome those difficulties  expansive about this in the context of the fact that this is where the trauma happened in addition to which he was concerned that she would be back in the big school even though the district and the and the s r o and the district court said that it's in a separate building it's in the basement of a high school building the reality is that he was concerned about our return to that social her academic and cognitive profile academically we're not arguing but what her her her emotional profile without support of people  collaborate with dr miller and without the idea that people were trained to be she would cause her again to be in a situation where she could right now thank you particularly for this student's particular case he never addressed the committee on special education regarding the student and the district had to seek parental permission to even speak to him about the student so factual i think it is very inaccurate to say that he was the district's expert for this particular student and then legally i don't believe the case law really supports the notion that even if he was somehow considered the the experts x district expert or simply as the student's treating physician that that would entitle him to deference the notion of deference is owed to the state review office primarily as well as the district in terms of its placement on questions of educational policy quoting what is an appropriate placement here so even if dr miller has his own concerns and w do something different that would not carry the day and simply require that this is for follow his particular recommendations to the extent stanek the committee in special education did consider his his concerns were not appropriate basis to find that the district is was not providing the student with the appropriate placement being the idea itself in this largely in and the extent to which that was a match for her cognitive an academic profile and you just talk about whether you know whether there was adequate evidence that care of him was appropriate match for twenty four program with it with the class class groupings that master profile and that the the issues other students would be in other classes and would not be instructional group with this particular student as for the student who the parents reported hearing screaming at their visit i don't know if that's ever been contradicted but that would not be a basis given all the information that came from  and it does seems like there wasn't any training on the part of the staff there for any e p t so why isn't that doesn't that demonstrate that they would not have been able to provide the support to dr miller's program that the ip itself calls for again these are appropriate no not at all the student at the end of her hospitalization was given specific recommendations in her district summary that provided for therapy you know therapeutic supports placement this is a question of educational policy certainly the us are completely reviewed and considered and defined the care for and was appropriate program placed on all of the information and it certainly did provide information that it supported therapy by other students including students who had similar a motional needs had in fact been you know hospitalized in the ignore clear signs that a student may have a need for special education but here in this this particular student she was a strong student she remained a strong stew throughout the school year she was not absent for a prolonged period of time the even the cutting episode was the marks were superficial and minor and have been he had a particular need for special education services or should have been classified and as that time you know as time went by the the amount of time between that st you know we notice the st miner signed when she was found to engage in self cutting through the time she was hospitalized in may was very condensed and would not have given the  recognize that there traumatic or have led to these problems why is the fact that she's being with her that in what is it twenty six into something she returned from environments in which the trauma occurred why isn't that enough for us to conclude that that doesn't seem consistent with providing the required emotional support you mean the placement in the therapeutic sport enry medical records the record which find you shouldn't assume that but isn't it is a pretty straightforward that that taking whatever support she's going to be given she's going to fare worse at the sight of the trauma than she would in a different environment i don't know if that that conclusion can be completely you know it can be except that i do think you have a program that they developed the district developed with train staff with flexibility with small classes that academic supports and the district certainly had every reason to believe that with those those additional sports the student could come back to  the school they also propose a transition program and i think you know i think the s r o correctly point out you can't compare a time where the student is receiving no services to a time where the the student is research receiving services i think to is to argue otherwise is really placing too high burden on the district the district has an obligation to come up with a reason pulled plan and  and is still going through and the really the reality is that for any who are a social worker to say that hospitalization