spoke with us i believe he mentioned a tenant or landowner on hurricane lane who may complain and i just wonder if that should be added we don't know who i would rank we don't know who i mean saw speculation  i just thought he remembered you know i remember there was a specific concern he had about a complaint his concern is that at some point in time to move down the road something might happen and it might but was a consensus to continue developing it i got its support of support i just wondered if we should we should have documented emotions so the answer is no  preference is to remove all of the rebel strips but i wouldn't vote against removing some of them i mean i thought we should remove them all that was my strong opinion against guidelines must be followed but it already says that in the in the policy so i'm not sure it is that's right i'm not sure that's an accurate quote i'm not sure i don't remember saying it quite that way but it doesn't feel accurate  what i think i've said it on the policy so far as i'd like to see us make sure that we protect against what we do know the errors we had with northwest and road but i don't know if the policy actually covers north assume that's really not a neighborhood right in is this policy had traffic calming policy for neighborhoods or generally throughout the town that's what i thought so it doesn't really apply ok then under number twelve on the second paragraph the first bullet can might have said that i just remember him talking about emergency vehicles i didn't remember him talking about utility trucks  he did ok but he did to just when they drive over those homes because they have stuff in the back they rattle in the truck i wouldn't want them in my neighborhood i think any truck going over them are probably some cars are going to make a racket but worst apartment to take a look at whether there's any way that we could do them realistically and of not too far away for you and travel in though the truck trail travel on that but there is an industrial area to continue to get to will lead to come down route two on a and down industrial i don't know but it's a good question so thank you we do have your c v that we had given out last week and we do have your application so if you would give us a brief description of your background and why you'd like to be on the playing commission that would be very helpful so i see the job of the planning commission as a group of people that balance the need for developments and business and economy with trying to maintain a balance with the ecosystem and community members my background that relates to planning i worked for the planning department in baltimore city and that was during a time when they were creating their sustainability plan so in that some of my tasks were around more of the the cleaning and greening initiatives trying to figure out how they would put that into their plan so that included things like an initiative called tree baltimore so trying to find places and spaces to put more trees throughout the city it was to rewrite zoning codes in order to do some more urban farming so turning in either vacant lots into community gardens or looking at areas that were fairly blighted to perhaps raise them and then create more large scale urban  farms additionally when i was working on sustainability and i was looking at something that sounds like you've been recently talking about so is trying to figure out how can we get chickens back in the city so people want to have a few chickens in their in their backyard for those who had the space and was also looking at things like compost which people were very up in arms about so when you went to big group meetings or community meetings you know everyone had fears of compost means rats so i have been in spaces in places where there is potentially a contention around what is or is not on the docket and then being able to be in a room with folks in facilitate both experts and members and have people sort of listen and in communicating around these types of complex ideas later on when i worked for the the baltimore city mayor's office i had quite a bit of opportunity to collaborate with the planning department on various initiatives so in my portfolio were things like education and health and human services so we had a big opportunity to do some change to our schools to our actual school facilities this became as you can imagine because people spiel very strongly about their kids in their schools and their their education community we were thinking and planning long term for schools that we might need to completely tear down and stop using or schools that we would build build a new or how we would consolidate something that promotes familiar with so you know those are community meetings that i have strong memories of of people being very adamant in vocal about how would we go about doing that and working with the planning department in that way another thing that came about as a result of the changes in our men and inclement weather that has been on the rise in maryland so they've had a really wet summer this summer that's been something they've seen and as a trend it's been increasingly harder in the summer so we were looking at an opportunity to create things called resilience hubs so the planning department was was looking at particularly post the twenty fifteen riot how do you have communities be sustainable in crisis if you can't get first responders there because there's traffic or because there's protesters or there's because it's flooded and roads are out so it was looking at communities to identify spaces where you could have a generator access to water access to first aid and that's that was  students who might not be able to have anywhere to go with so with when it was extreme heat it was a space where people could go to get in the air conditioning to get some water to just stay out of their own homes or places where they didn't have access to cooler temps so these are some things that i've done that are sort of planning related and i'd love to take some of that experience and apply it here to wilson question israel from the board of application soccer without borders or what is that so that was a nonprofit i started after graduate school if you suckers the hook to engage newcomer students or kids that are from other parts of the world that had been resettled refugee status or asylum status or undocumented immigrants and these kids were very excited about soccer as it was trying to get that to be able to engage the families and you know different different needs that they had so financial literacy for parents kids getting academic tutoring we did a lot with kids once they started getting into middle school high school to do college prep or vocational programs soccer was the fun part and then we try to sneak in all the other stuff on the back side question how long have you been williston you know that's a great question so i knew this one was coming for me i even moved here just over two years ago we relocated my partner is from from vermont the official sort of seven generation and it didn't take much convincing to tell me that this is a great place to live work and sort of family so i think we're here for the long term we fell in love with wilson for it's you know it's beautiful it's got it's got everything you need you know especially coming from a city we were we were totally interested in having to drive forty five minutes to to a grocery store or a pub or wherever and we see so much opportunity for this town just with how big it is and its location to burlington and its location to montpelier and so i'm excited about being a part of the long term planning and it says your phone bill fulbright scholar in malaysia that was what does that mean so that was an opportunity to essentially take a full year to live in a country to an intensive research sort of partnership so what i did there was i was curious about a country that does a nationalized curriculum so imagine especially since i'm i'm interested in education policy how do you take all sort of a once a one model that's built usually built in a couple so in kuala lumpur and then try to put it everywhere else in this country that's vastly different calling for is like a state of the art twenty first century high tech city and then you go to college here in ghana where i decided to do a lot of my on the ground sort of qualitative research and you just find that you can't pick up that model and put it in places that isn't have the same resources so i was curious from sort of a macro scale of you know this is a great idea in theory that we could all be working off of some sort of pedagogy that we agree with her curriculum we agree with and it's just in practice it becomes really really challenging joe first a comment then actually a couple questions if you don't mind i try to take notes when our town comprehensive plan and if yes what do you think of it what are we doing right what are we doing wrong where should we be focusing on i did have a chance look at it it's conference of it a hundred and thirty plus pages where i get excited about it is the inclusion of certain things that i just haven't seen because of the places that were previously so the inclusion of things around energy efficiency in moving towards you know things that i think will since able to do around could could we think solar could we think of things that you're talking about with compost i think there's so many opportunities that will list and can do because of it being located in vermont and then because as the gentleman said previously it's a place that's actually booming right unlike so many other places and remount it isn't having a dwindling tax base isn't having a problem if anything our problem is we can't keep up with the building that people here so that excites me i think another thing around i have a passion for sort of access and equity issues and i think they're already is more transportation opportunities in willesden than there are in so many other areas in vermont which is a huge challenge for people who are under resourced so i think starting with that as as their base but then in thinking about conscientiously building that out so so that wilson could be inclusive place because it is a place that folks want to get to because we do have things like the big box stores and places that are affordable for people to eat or buy clothes for their kids good thank you my next question i tend to ask  but and it's the i asked everyone i don't know what it is you do for work but it's a conflict of interest question what would you do to recognize a conflict of interest in interest and what would you do about it so at this moment because i a full time ph d student and i hope to eventually work you know when i finish my dissertation which i'm very much in the the middle of so i don't perceive a lot of comfort conflict of interest in terms of just like logistics of time and showing up and being there and being prepared by having read read materials if anything adding more stacks to my reading it would be a problem at this point in terms of more tangible ip like threesome mentioned i'm new new tools and so i don't have sort of this invested relationships whether it's business or community members and getting to know my neighborhood and getting to know the communities that we've sought out already but at this moment i feel that to me is one of the unique things i bring to this to this interview and this opportunity to serve is that i think this is an opportunity for wilson to look at if you are looking for folks who want to come and be homeowners and start families to sort of offset this is aging population in willis and i bring that perspective in because i didn't realize but now i realize you're a grad student now so there's poverty minimal potential for a big conflict between let's say your professional life and decisions you need to make on the planning commission so that's really where i was trying to focus  sorry if i didn't ask the question well you know i i'm sorry if i misunderstood it but i don't see that i would have a lot of comfort of interest around decisions we're making if while i serve in these next four games and once you were let's say employed versus being a grad student do you think there i mean again there might be a potential for there to be conflict i think my instinct would be to ask my instinct would be if it if it felt or it looked as though there could be any inclination for it or any linkage whatsoever as soon good candidates and all but i would recommend gillett and ride to the planning commission and we have three to the recommend you do we have three percent of what we have two positions for leave planning commission right to open and one for the recreation committee that worked on so you did you will and and oh ok but we have different dates that we need to point them to one for through june of twenty nineteen and one through june of twenty twenty two and then the committee has through june turning nineteen so there are three different motions that are recommended to be made but the rating system i used actually wonder if we could ask either one of you if you have a preference that would help make our life easier business any further discussion of the motion it's always tough actually we always have good candidates people who volunteer generally are enthusiastic and want to serve so most of the true so all those in exceptionally wonderful memos for tonight you were both the first on the list is the stormwater grant policy amendment pretty straightforward the general gist is  recall a while back we put a lot of time and effort into figuring out how do you get grant funds and then redistribute them equitably to all the neighborhoods participating in the florist ration plan now luckily we don't need to rehash that but  we can't begin to give out the money under the current wording of the stormwater grant policy and the reason that that's the case is it's linked to incorporation into our state permit our general  permit i can touch upon this in greater depth if you like in my next memo but in short that permit expired was administrative we continued we could not incorporate permits individual permits while it was administrative we continued and even though the permit has come back out we can't incorporate any of the town's permits into our greater general permit intil we renew something called the swim the storm water management plan that's due january of one thousand will probably take us that long to get there and then it needs to go both her approval and public comment at the state level so realistically we'd be sitting on funds potentially until next spring the policy language change i've suggested is we just swap incorporation into the town of wilson amos where general fur permit for formal excess acceptance but of the stormwater system in accordance with our agreement we've formally accepted to neighborhood so far and they would be the only ones eligible to receive their proportion by the end of this calendar year we'll have three to five more it's back in play town staff myself is working on updating this wimp which likely take to twenty nineteen and for all intensive purposes we're still covered in effect permit it's just been administratively continued and we need to get this swim in place to have the new one which is adding a lot of new requirements a few which i'd love to list to you because we'll probably be talking about them in the coming years field and that's not how you logically connected a road segment that goes right into muddy brook is hydrological connected so that's likely been delineated for us but we're going to need to systematically chip away at addressing those that could be on and so forth there are a lot of different things that go into play but that's one of the things we're going to need to address and this went up to another one and this is probably the big one if i had to rank them is the foster's control plan lake champlain is a very good phosphorus and every and this for community which we are in the basin needs to have a phosphorus plan there are a variety of ways that we can address that which you'll we don't actually have what's required us from the state so i can't talk in detail what that looks like but that's coming down the pike and those are all part of the swim put that's due in january one and the in the phosphorus control i have a hard time thinking we need to spend money in willesden to lie to the state ok i know i'm just i'm just saying is there any discussion i don't know what higher levels of discussion we're involved in but when the tone of burlington frequently dump so three million gallons of personally treated sewage hard time thinking about the long run it's in terms of a priority i'm not saying it's not a problem but you know we should we address first major stand it's our community money to burlington's community money that we're dealing with here but it still seems like the state should be focusing on more than maybe where the problems are but i understood and you bring up a really good point and i think the state and nonprofit advocacy groups can do a better job of getting that message out to the residents of vermont wastewater treatment plants certainly with combined sort of flows that's a health hazard brings lots of pollutants and damaging constituents into the lake however from a phosphorus standpoint they're less than three percent of the total problem so to put that in perspective develop surfaces such as rooftops roadways parking lots that's forty percent of the phosphorus problem ag land you know are dairy farms and other  another forty percent of the problem so when you're looking at communities that are contributing to the issue it's rural it's urban and the waste water load is one reason isn't coming from the treatment that's coming accurate so you're saying the impact of the sewage plants over spilling is more just inability to swim in the water because yeah i would say it's necessarily causing algae blooms it's a good fuel problem that could have long term health effects if you swim at the wrong time but it's an acute issue when you have a combined sewer overflow the systemic issue out we could lose our permit coverage and i actually don't know what happens if you refuse to abide by your for general permit but that could be fines not seeing is a lot of minuscule particles depositing onto surfaces some of those come from so we're if you're looking at the entire united states as the wind blows new england's unfortunately about the tailpipe of everything that's flowing through so power plants in the past had a large contribution of phosphorous and so for through improvements via the e p a scrubbers in our power plants that's been reduced but still through dot through dry deposition the stuff the winds blowing that gets on rooftops and roadways vehicular traffic also adds a lot of phosphorous there's phosphorous in the oils and gasoline that can drip inland on our roadways so roads and parking lots have a rough sense about twice the cost for milligram twice concentration of phosphorus than a rooftop but they both still have them when it comes to ag land the real issue there is that phosphorus binds to soil so if you had a phosphorus fertilizer or manure and you spread it over a field when if a light rain comes it will slowly get that phosphorous into solution but then binding on to the soil so as long as the soil stays on the farmer's field we don't have a phosphorus problem the issue is through poor agricultural best management practices for generations we haven't protected our stream buffers we haven't protected our river buffers we've had agricultural practices that don't have  swim at the gorge one time because of that so the second question was just the chloride you talked about that's primarily just salt on the it's from salt thing the parking lots is that what that is yeah so again we think we haven't been given the level of detail we are expected to receive from the state so i'm not sure how much detail i can get into but i can say that the town of wilson actually has a fairly good chloride plan we do not just dump salt when we do not need to  it's expensive we do our best to hold off on that we have looked into other processes such as brian's but large part we still use salt it is my guess that the reason that that trip is the one contaminated others in the town is because of the box stores and tradition what happens is they hire a subcontractor to salt their parking lots and there they're walking areas and because the subcontractor doesn't want to get sued they dump as much salt as they possibly can and they still make money and that results in coronation of the streams there are some really exciting ways to address that that's being pioneered in new hampshire which is nice because there are a bordering state that has not come over into practice in vermont yet but we are talking about it at all of our chloride conferences so it's on our radar partner in vermont participated in developing it but it is not vermont's t m t alan easy ph we have to abide by them i would i'm the last person that would want to stop cleaning up the lake i just want to make sure it's proportional so i'm glad you educated me  and where that phosphorus comes from because i was thinking sewage from these plants would create phosphorous problems and evidently they don't so it's good to know you know it would be an economic disaster for a lake on the rooftops on that and that's getting into the lake eventually if i understand your question correctly the number for developed surfaces which is essentially anything impervious again roads parking lots roof t set at roughly forty percent of the problem so while that's not all dried up position a portion of it is what that portion is i can't tell you just reminds me of the acid rain issues that we had in the updated the numbers for the grants i think the one dimension is that we've been awarded nine hundred thirty thousand dollars in grant funds to facilitate one hundred one million eight hundred thousand projects so all those grants were fifty percent match  which is incredible and i think we think d c and their project partners for helping us get those grants a significant percentage of those one million three hundred eighty thousand is for the florist ration plan which  we're going to receive that twenty one thousand which is in addition to fifteen five that we got this past summer all run through the allen brook how we have a number of neighborhoods participating we are making progress this year in particular two neighborhoods a been accepted in south ridge that's a big deal seven neighbors are substantially complete and we're basically working on getting final legal documents in in place to accept those so probably the majority those will be accepted by this year as my hope to neighborhoods are under construction now when i wrote this that was the case i have heard of meadows and met a ridge heritage meadows is essentially done with construction we just need to do a final walk through the engineers  three neighborhoods are going to begin construction old stage the construction equipment is on site taps farms and indian ridge have not started yet they are anticipating to start the summer well this fall at this point one neighborhood has recently has received a grant that was just fully executed rick i think you just got that stuff in your mailbox the past day or so that's for wilson comments right down the street here and then three neighborhoods haven't made any progress that the town's aware of but they have plenty of years to do so and still meet their storm agreements moving on to limp way acres you guys are well familiar with this we got a grant from it's a t a grant from v trans the big update there is that we got over the right of way clearance hurdle which is a big deal it means that we can work where we want lamplight work to jennifer to pull together these last two categories of the loans six neighborhoods have signed agreements for loans ranging from twenty six thousand to three hundred seventy thousand and the cash flow on the very last depicts those already one of those neighborhoods is beginning to pay back their loans and then the cash flow which again jennifer put together i think is big takeaway the is that by next june june twenty one thousand we should have after everything said and done with all of our other water quality projects and outstanding loans we should have two hundred forty thousand available for more loans to neighborhoods in the write up that says we may need to look move funds from perhaps the floor restoration bucket into the loan bucket if needed i just point out  meadow ridge is lucky enough to want to move forward or get a grant to help move forward the final phase of their project could cost three hundred plus thousand dollars and if they asked for a loan on top of the loan they already have that would obviously  consideration one that is at its to the existing chapter thirteen of the comprehensive plan this is currently the open space chapter and broadly and thence will add some interests related to historic and cultural resources archaeological resources forest fragmentation and natural in wildlife resources directing the town to examine some of the ways our by a law works in those areas in particular the adoption of some language in the comprehensive plan as it relates to archaeological resources is important because it's a requirement of the downtown board for the maintenance of our state as a new growth center at taft corners that the town have archaeological resources its comprehensive plan and managed and in its development review and the way it spends its money and considers projects and things like that so that's the chapter thirteen at it's very broadly the other piece is the village master plan and so this you know where where what you see with chapter thirteen is a red line strikeout document what you see for the village master plan has no edits because it's all new and it's proposed to be adopted currently as an appendix to the existing comprehensive plan the village master plan comes out of some public process that we started back in may of two thousand and sixteen and it resulted in policies and objectives related broadly to land use standards in the village and historic preservation as it relates to how buildings are are modified or bill transportation infrastructure i e willesden road and making sure that that corridor is by cable  all of the users who come through the village or access the village using it and the slightly more nebulous category of village vibrancy making sure that the goals of the town plan and its regulatory scheme enhanced activity in the village support the multi use commercial and residential community in the village and really leverage those things that make the village a unique place within the town so those are the three broad categories there are objectives and policies for each i can go into more detail on any of them or answer any questions you folks have about what's in that document as well read the chapter thirteen pretty carefully because of the a to b just because it was an edit from something previously approved and i was just wondering why some sections were they just thought it funny some that's part of that for example talking about river corridors you see it come out you see it go back and i saw that place it was asking like that a little a little ways down right the other one i think where that's happening is in the discussion of some of the historical in know about the geological historical first people so what we what we wanted to do here was be quite a quite a bit more expansive than than the plan was in the past some of this language didn't really have much of anywhere to live before it is a little bit lengthy but in the end  the policies that come out of it in thirteen four one two three are directly the ones that were recommended to us by the agencies of the state that deal with these things so you know consider archaeological resources in development review use the division for historic preservation in evaluating impacts these are things that have been to some extent off of our radar at the local review level into saying well you know act two fifty will catch that the reality for us is that there are a lot of sub back to fifty projects that still involve you know pretty extensive potential impacts to these resources so calling out in here that we would look at how we could do that in our local what needs to be done would be an ordinance or bylaw issue so this is a consider and then the bylaws might say evaluate and protect you know we have a pretty solid map of where we believe our potential archaeological resources are most of them are in flat places flood plains and near river corridors because that's where people work so there's there's a great deal of development that is not likely to hit any of those maps potential archaeological resources in fact that the most recent example of development that did touch on those resources was development proposed by the town related to our trail system where where we did need to go and in doing addition about how we were going to deal with the pretentious presence and in fact presence of archaeological resources in our work area and i mean i realize i'm jumping the gun this is only the should consider but would that potentially fall on the land owners you know who potentially mine develop on their shoulders or should i think of our kids archaeological resources as more of a town wide benefit and that's the town should be doing some of the assessment so we have a better idea where they are so when it comes time to did not develop and that's their specific piece of land instead of saying go figure out what's there and you know whatever stenberg level that requires we would be further along in that and say ok this is where we know potential is i'm just trying to get a sense reppert maybe now's not the time to have that discussion because they've all obviously the town plan we'll get into that level of detail i think we have a good model in the way we've looked at some of our other conservation resources so we can start with what's been mapped by someone else generally something that comes out of the state but we can add local knowledge to it and in fact that's really been our experience of what we need to do when it comes to our wildlife habitat areas and travel cores the state map that we base jurisdiction for those things on meaning that if you propose a development that's in one of those areas in williston you have to do what's called a habitat disturbance assessment so you do have to provide additional expertise and information when you're proposing to be in one of those areas those areas as they are currently mapped are very extensive basically everything will list in this forested is mapped as a wildlife habitat or wildlife travel corridor and what that means is every one of those applicants then has to go hire a wildlife biologist to do a disturbance assessment and reported at the derby and so we've had this rule since two thousand and fourteen and it's become a bit of a rote exercise in other words the outcome of the habitat disturbance assessment doesn't really ever say oh gosh don't develop this parcel it shifts things around a little bit and some of them say yes it's forested it's on the map  nothing really of note that's particularly utilising this area that we need to protect we know that we can integrate more of our local knowledge and refine that nap in fact that's one of the things that this plan amendment calls for is for us to go in and provide those maps so they touch fewer areas in the town but when they do it really matters and we're really trying to focus in on those things that need to be protected i would look at the archaeological resources the same way we have some broadly mapped areas that we know are probably sensitive we're lucky in that many of them are in areas where developments not likely to ever be proposed but we can add to that with local knowledge places you v m has studied places that people tell us they found artifacts on we can we can refine that map using the direction this plan gives us and i would look at all of that as a component of what we call chapter twenty seven of the bylaw where we have all these additional mapped resources that we will consider if there present them and focus in those in good times the people generally know if they own property that has archaeological significance i don't know that they would know offhand if it if it fell within one of those mapped areas it would be one of the first things we would be able to tell somebody that's part of our pre application review for develop and has to look at all those resource maps and say yeah you know your parcel touches this this and this here the information pieces you're going to have to provide other folks who have been on their land for a long time if you know you've got a corn field that you've walked through after you plowed in you found flints or arrowheads if you're down near the river you're very likely to have something some folks are aware that the  mound itself is an artifact but it was a high point that people you know probably used over a significant amount of time enough to accumulate those resources then you deleted monitor and assess of the verbiage for the actual i guess the implementation or work that you were going to do  i think what we're really you know that the language monitor assessed in the top end makes sense but what we're really doing is reviewing what's going into the maps that are being produced outside of town and how should we be adjusting them based on what we know about the town so it's you know monitor kind of sounds like we're looking over the states shoulder and saying we're making sure you're doing your job making those maps that's not really what it's about it's about adding local knowledge ok that's good i haven't discussed it all the village plan i mean will not go we have more opportunity at the you know at an around the times of getting public comment so is or i guess the question is are the  time commitment that we need to fulfill for the vision i'd be nice to get an overview right like have you had kind of present this is what we're thinking because i would like i have to admit i quickly went through it it's a big document that's brand news what's not an ad it was necessarily what i expected and i saw pictures of things we strip malls in there i know that's historical and it fits in there it's a picture i don't want to see strip malls you question one is is there a time problem with doing that is to set a separate item because don't we want to do that before we take it to a town or or is it the results of the town the town's people's input along with our own that would go into an update that what they want to put there are going to be to public hearings required of this ok that might buy you a little bit more time but if the boy if you don't feel comfortable that's well let me presentation that kind of hits the high points of what's on here and answer question talent happy to do that as part of the first public hearing you set if that works i wouldn't do it i think i can do it in five or seven minutes and then give give you guys room for questions after that it's a relatively lengthy document i break it into sections some of these are recitation of history or planning history of the village  i did get that so there's a lot of history in there for sure so you guys are going over that quickly but i caught this strip mall but it would be nice to know is here's what the village is as a result of the last time many years we've we've got this this is what we'd like to change  never called long time town attorney joe founds retiring at the end of the year so we've undergone a process the last few months just like a new firms represent the town issued a request for qualifications that was due back well totally in your hands in terms of the recommendation the one question i have a right i maybe it's more of a comment just to make sure i'm correct or correct me this is for general legal services on a case by case basis we may choose a different law firm or attorney it with a specific expertise that we need help with actually we will continue to use paul gillis for land use issues we'll continue to we're going with there's certainly the possibility in the future we might shift some of that work but added to stencil page but when it might not make any commitment at this time just general legal issues that their ability to support another town i'd only i don't know be concerned about that one concern i might have occasion would be very often there might be a conflict of interest about one of their members for example  know one final thing to joe is we may be leaving this for sooner rather than later first of all joe does not want to have any issue that might lead to litigation because he doesn't want to he will be able to fall through a litigator and secondly he's moving out of state i think the end of october so he would be in the area any more and he really questions but traffic control devices are primarily regulatory in nature and implementation in many circumstances must be warranted by data collected so trying to parse out the separation of those two there is some overlap but traffic calming is really going to be physical roadway changes which are supported by federal state level best practices interpreted by consultants that would lead to give us the different pros and cons to weigh on each of the major changes in section three and th the other major change we had in the pen to see in here before the had a draft scoring matrix after going through this thinking this kids the new policy recommendation from the r b c on that was the scoring major sees their best evolve over time as you ha one thing and sorry if i didn't pick up on this earlier one thing it's on the minor side don't get me wrong but i notice in at least two places it's under section three it says it is a policy of the select board and i would think it would say it is a policy of the town yes the select board adopts it but maybe that's really that's i don't know it just when i saw that i had i always thought when we adopt policies were adopting it for the town not for us as this yeah i don't know if that's a big deal at all i don't think it is weakly exceptions but yeah but other than that i'm good with it i am my one concern and it's not a concern to change anything but with the m u t c d you know that guidance document i like the idea that there be some flexibility but when we say things like you know shall follow or with no exceptions it takes away any flexibility and don't take away but it really limits i it's sometimes hard to bring those national standards if you will down to a local road you know there's another main piece near because i think what you've done in this latest set it is basically said well the m u t c d is not really traffic calming that's traffic control the document is traffic calming so the policies were adopting a really somehow best practices of the federal highway administration and be trans not immunity cd anymore i think that's what you're saying so again i would like to see him again some comment you would use a little common sense in these as well  so appreciate your comments here about safety for pedestrians and bicyclists much appreciated those are some common so it's and back to eric as well because it seems like we have to have some kind of some verification and the last thing is something i kind of harp on about bruce is exceptionally you know experienced and but when he came in here last week and took in and was telling us about the policy in difference to mr because they recommend something it doesn't necessarily mean it's the right thing for the situation room and i guess i had the impression that there was nothing checking in there at the end of the day to me the buck stops with us and then is though i don't know what we call no traffic expert but i could find the stuff it would didn't take too much work to find out that you know why roads weren't smart to put rumble strips on there a safety issue or at least in some federal and state regulation documents would be interpreted by piece serving as consultants and as that consultation takes place that analysis with the board to interpret that what they did their expertise to bring to the board tha sets of documents we should have some some say or some there should be some wiggle room in terms of what makes sense for followed that's doesn't really affect the town and it's something that is you know another government has said this is what has to happen my concern is that you know actually going back three point four with no exceptions all traffic control devices must follow the m u thought well the m u t c d says that this is what should happen at this in this context but our commonsense sense tells us not to do it and then someone gets hurt or they sue us because we didn't follow the legal standard that the law requires from certain federal and state mandates the other hand are we going to are we going to get are we going to open ourselves up to litigation for following it when now and then what what would be the legal risk to adopting a regulation ordinances says that we either must or thing to ask me to bring up bruce is brought this up at many times during his talks about different traffic you know stop signs and requests for things and i'll bring up the one over where can't think of the name of the road is it the residential mixed development and we took out the stop sign oh yeah but the stop sign was there for her for twenty years or something well that didn't follow the bring it up as an example that was but just a thought but i think it's good to get legal opinion it is our culpability if we follow p e advice when they haven't really checked best practices or guidelines  it's i think it's going to be if they're in front of somebody's house and think they're not going to like him at the end of the day but you know and i know traffic what he called the traffic policing  because you get to penalize the other it's a big development there that when we're talking about printed words are going to penalize three hundred households who are a few kids or who knows who's doing them anyway and whatever fifteen or twenty pages and so i've posted x i need to meet the warning requirement within the time period specified last week but the move for will have to warn this in a couple other potentially makes it a little more efficient taxes and that's consistent with years past also somewhat telling is our recreation revenue because that smartly summer programs those are largely over at this point and so that was running ahead of schedule  expenditures are further the police and for the fire department are running a little bit behind but not anywhere near as much of a particular place as they had been in the past because we're filling these positions now they did you know where they went or what happened in time and it's kind of a long story and i don't know what the rationale was but so so that's the financial report any question that before i move on to the next item i want to touch on this is like one retreat that is scheduled for tuesday october twenty third we have it whether we should start even earlier but i am hoping that five o'clock will be reasonable for everyone and allow us to have time to get some worked on the topic of courses goals and objectives for the future  and the last several times the boards had those kind of discussion to department heads of been invited so they will be invited to this session as well and the meeting will be held at the mar hurricane lane we're still working on the dinner menu and the facilitator i approached one facilitator tony lamb and he is it and i think that's about all i have in that particular issue next time i want to touch on it is the international city county management association are having their available to towns who are looking to engage outside help get some resources to do that to achieve one or more of the goals in their town plan our staff got together a few months ago and took a look at the planning grant program and took a look at the list of the things the twenty sixteen comprehensive plan says we're going to achieve or try to achieve and tried to pick a project that we thought matched what was going on in the one we came up with is a grant to obtain some outside help to really assess the possibility feasibility and location of park and ride facilities in willesden that would be locally created and managed we're hoping to start from a pretty broad you may park here help and then mapping those so what opportunities are there on nodes where there is also bus service going by nearby or or right there what we're calling mode shift facilities i go from being in my own car to being in a carpool or being in my own car to being on the bus or bike to a bus or walk to bike all of those things so not just a parking lot but what else should be at some of those sillett east to enhance all of those different ways that people used to travel so this fulfills or will help us fulfill a goal stated in the comprehensive plan that just states build a town park and ride that goal has been in the plan for a very long time stems in part from frustration over the loss of the original state park and ride adjacent exit twelve and also the lengthy timeline running up to the hopefully eventual construction of a new park and ride exit twelve which last i heard might get started before the end of this calendar year but i'm guessing it's more like spring of nineteen by now so the grant would be for us to retain some professional help to get that project off the ground you know somebody to help us collect the public input to help us do the mapping to connect us to best practices around developing those things things like that we need authorization from the select board to allow the brick to be the agent to allow the planning commission to represent the town and the staff to manage the grant and that's what we're requesting tonight so we can get the application in and see if we can get this project off the ground for things and cushions for that the only question is it's a real brief one when i would have with anything along these lines as we have lot of money we can draw the town match from yes so we have some money budgeted in our planning operating budget for miscellaneous planning studies and we would we would look to tap that or look at what this project you know as we get a feel for the budget we may roll that into part of our budget request going forward the twenty two thousand which is the maximum we can apply for will that be sufficient do you think or do you think i don't think we'll need that much ok very good the relatively contained project we're not building anything where we're collecting information and getting it into a report so we can use it ok good it's in actions in the future we would n passes and we have in general will approve all these special events like this pretty much there in the reason for approving something like this because it's a private if this is actually it's like your board is acting as a local the fairgrounds in essex and we have been requested to name a to designate a delegate to the the town fair be business meetings on the thirtieth of all those in favor of the motion say i mean those of the next million of these like where is the second of october at six o'clock on site this past week i spoke with chief moore and today and got an update to share the board they've extended the deployment another four days so they expect of a task force arrived back in state this coming monday morning they've been actually actively and seen from the news that that that stayed devastating flooding down there so like with the hurricane harvey relief in houston last year there ma task force has received accolades seem very well organized doctored in official rescue team doing good work can somehow pass on our appreciation there or any other business to talk about tonight can i ask about the item just before this this was another schedule one of the meetings and starting at six you know what's in the second