gypsy so we're here for three reasons one is about corroboration another is about death threats as persecution and the third is about relocation that topic came up in the response  refugee camp in the adjoining country from which she fled they do not have access to much communication except for by phone as you know people can communicate cheaply by  yes by telephone as well communicating by telephone is not the same as producing documentary physical crop aeration in the form of an affidavit say with the identity of the person confirmed in any documents and that the reason that the visa was first denied was that her father was not dead yet she showed up showed the americans in a situation that was passed her by her family and they they decided to going to visa for that reason it's not the same as getting a sworn affidavit inside a refugee camp and sending it to the united states but there's a sort of a hard to bring a trial judge or or her job properly if it's it seems kind of unfair to the trial court or say you know you can you have the evidence is closed by the same court for that court to say we find this petition and we find this incredible but we're going to require corroboration anyway that's a game of gotcha after the record is closed for submission  there is no indication that that corroboration in documentary form should or would have been required if the records were still open and if we had the courts levy we may be able to to find something or at least to determine whether or not it would be reasonable to ask for that kind of robert evans but the only the only answer that she gave in response to this was on cross examination it was a series of nos have you got an affidavit from this person from this person from this person no no no the court did not bother him neither did the government ask what in so if if we're going to have a denial based on a question that wasn't even asked why don't you have it alien had had been required you know with an open evidentiary rexx again or still to submit things or if the judge had even indicated you know we're going to need something more then we definitely would have made that effort before the record was closed now the testimony of a credible alien is sufficient to carry one's burden for asylum purposes when corroboration is required and you know it's got to be reasonable it can't just be we have to look at the at the immigration judges reasons for requiring or at least some indication of that that it's reasonable to require that anybody else coming from the situation should have the same the  same access to information and as to death threats being persecutory this circuit has held that death threats made by those immediately capable of carrying them out may constitute persecution in this case we don't have a direct we're going to kill you threat but we do have a we do have to mercenaries from a a rebel group an international rebel group that has come and knocked over the capital well when these fighters come up to her house armed and tell her to stop praying at home i think the threat is pretty well made even without them saying or we will kill you these these mercenaries have been killing well the petitioners credible testimony identified them as members of select that muslims are identifiable visually in this country because of their scarification and their clothing  generation of sectarian problems divisions that did not necessarily exist were and by the way this petitioner is not even racially ethnically a member of any such central african group she is of haitian descent she does not look like it local she sounds like a local but that gets a lot of questions and like well you speak really good ready to learn that moving on to really cation country conditions in the record indicate that the capital was the safest as of the petitioners testimony but she hadn't even been there for that year by the time she testified  immigration court so the documentary country conditions are probably the best indicators as to what's actually going on there the respondent said that you know that they were that the rebels were kind of push record that indicates how incompetent just unable to to protect the country that the security services are there still dependent on international support makes no mention of the countryside because they are not majority of persons in your city or are christian that is correct but that did not stop these muslim rebels from knocking over the whole country in effect happened before or certainly not in again christians that are equally terroristic would face reprisals they would be a target for any further muslim insurgency her husband happens to be from the north so he he i guess looks sounds like and anyway he's a northerner relatively identifiable his ethnic group is that is and in the record and she herself looks foreign so i'm not sure why the respondent would counter that some some other place that happens to be run to the daughter that doesn't live with her that's not i mean not part of her visible family group is likely not very relevant to an analysis of how this petitioner and her family unit would be treated if they were found we're talking about a woman who looks haitian a man who's from the northern part of the country in sectarian violence that i think is well that goes north  petitioners wish charmaine in the united states however to do so she must establish that the record tells the conclusion that she sufficiently corroborated her claim and that she has a well founded fear being persecuted if returned to the central a frican republic and she has done regarding corroboration the agency properly determined that she did not sufficiently corroboree first as the court noted it is her burden to produce evidence to corroborate her claim here she did not do so she was questioned as to the whether she submitted certain affidavits from family members and she stated she did not but when given the opportunity did not explain run which was run that means that it's run by an internationally recognized organization that does not country they have a conflict with the people who supposedly coming to help with the  states in her record that was where the obituary came from her father was here in the united states she was able to team that in cameroon in and within enough time to be able to apply for a teen the visa to come to the united states for the funeral in order to determine that this is a valid claim that she submitted no evidence relating to her personal circumstances it's entirely country conditions reports which is understandable but if there is some form of  print it was you put emphasis the but essentially the body language and the emphasis that you're putting on the phrase is one indicator of it being a and both of those cases he petitioners were specifically threatened with death i believe it was and hernandez avalos the that the gang members held a gun to the woman's head and said we will kill you where is here there is one incident which undoubtedly there is no question about her subjective fear in the situation but in that there was one incident these people a few days after that incident they were pushed out of the slate or were pushed out of the capital of benghazi and that's where she lived at the time and so even if she had remained there the rebels would not have been able to come back in the country where the muslim salie were controlling the north east and the anti polaski christians and the government controlled the southwest and that this was for the most part stable including the rebels in the it does but not necessarily in the future because that was a unique situation where multiple rebel groups came together so like a means alliance and it was an alliance of multiple different muslim rebel groups that didn't have much power on their own they came together for the specific purpose of overthrowing the government and they succeeded for a short time and right there after the leader of that group ordered them disband and while yes they're still what many of the reports fighters gone back to their old individual groups and control some to each control some territory the important thing is there's no indication in the record that those groups have talked about or planned a further another  that they're working together in any way to do that but also now unlike before there are u n peacekeepers there french troops controlling the air in the capital to help the government of the central african republic during the transition  at the height of the conflict in january twenty fourth there were nine hundred twenty two thousand persons displaced by the end of two thousand and fifteen approximately four hundred seventeen were displaced so about half of the people who had been  home from what i can tell that was what i was looking at the very end scrambling around to get my stuff back together in the record there is no indication that her daughter has had any issues she stated that she continued to talk yes she is living in the cia r and that's discussed at pages ninety seven hundred in the record her discussions today not to go on the fourteenth just today we look at the persecution it is but we don't we look at what's in the record if there's a different situation today as well there may be that would be subject to a motion to reopen which there are no deadlines for the point of the motion to reopen in if there are changed circumstances she can file a motion to reopen saying this is happened since the adjudication the situation is worse now i guess there's been a from the decision and twenty fifty and so are actually i think the most recent article in there is from march eighth twenty sixteen and it even talks about how  the city was previously the city of being we had previously been a hotbed for violence but that the violence preceded under a transitional government supported by international peacekeepers and supported by france in the un so those that's the information that we have as of the time by the immigration judge and then reviewed by the board of immigration appeals and that's what the court is reviewing those decisions not how the situation is today if there have been changes in the situation that would be properly brought before the agency in a motion to reopen which she can submit with new evidence with updated evidence to show what's going on today but that's not what the focus of the petition for review is focus so much on credibility itself it's corroboration were always so required as to be expected that the threshold for protection under our sound statutes is at ten percent prospect of being subject to persecuted to being persecuted that's a well founded fear persecution supreme court case herders of fun sikka establish that ten percent threshold so in light of the fact that the rebels have knocked over this country before set it on fire and killed a lot of people i think that you know normally perhaps a country that's only fifteen percent muslim might not face a ten percent chance of this happening again from the controlling seeing case which was about a family living in india that they were they were politically active they never left india  applicant came through mexico to the united states on a mexican student visa and so it would be reasonable to just write home to india to get some here that we've got not to use terms to presidential but people running from whole aid whole beat people living in tents in there are also subject to a lot of the same dangers as they were facing central african republic because this is often a border problem so i think that if she is returned shall end up in that refugee camp again she won't be very safe i think that she's met her burden and showing the unreasonable ness of the government's requirement for corroboration in this particular case of course we should get corroboration as much as possible and whenever it's it's it's reasonable  and if this is going to be denied because of questions that weren't asked after the judge closed the record fifteen days before the hearing that would just be you know something that would compel a reverse