one twenty two waverly street design and say special permit construct three single family homes and lives if you would read the notice please notice a public hearing by the planning board an application for design and site plan review and a special permit with application of robert counted for the following design and cycling review for a single family dwelling on law he one and two a special permit with the design inside plan review to subdivide the lot and construct two single family dwellings  the two and lock the three respectively in order to construct three single family dwellings at one twenty two waverly street located in a general residence district  to show what has been proposed and how to get a presentation for all three homes up front will do this and then we'll lead into the applicant in the in the presentation for the houses and looking at it in the kind of the planning board to find neighborhood as a whole with respect to five indicators of mass and density and they are lot size total living area bedrooms floor area ratio and bedrooms per one thousand square feet order with respect to property the one in terms of the the house years in the lowest floor tile with respect i'm sorry is in the second and lower square tile with respect to all of the indicate all the other indicators where straddles the median i had grounds again we are in the lower square tile floor area ratio we are in the set third from the here pushing all of the boundaries in all of these areas and this applicant has and hasn't done that as as they relate to the neighborhood which is a good thing to start off going over this for about a year and a half to two years now meeting with the neighborhood on several occasions originally were coming in fall to multifamily homes neighborhood i didn't really like the idea of that application so we met with them we came up with a new plan they changed the zoning which would allow us to come in three single family homes that's what we're presenting tonight  originally we drafted up three colonial style homes the neighborhood frowned upon those style homes so we went back to the drawing board redid the homes came up with a more compatible fit for the neighborhood of cable craftsman style homes which was drawn up today with try to keep it in the best comedy of the neighborhood in the town and we think it's a good fit the two two capes are on waverly terraced and the colonial is on waverly street more in line with what's on waverly street has a small front porch similar to the houses down waverly street  another added thing that we try to comply with one of the neighbors asked if we could put the driveway not in line with the driveway across the street on waverly terrace we chose  to do that and accommodated the needs we've tried to the best of our ability to comply with what the neighbors want and i think we have a good fit just drawings and make notes that i make a lot of the notes that i made apparently of being answered in your in your information pack for i think for  ease of you know future people looking at the drawings that gets admitted i would like to detail incorporated on the drawings for instance you talk about siding materials to be determined by owner roofing material be determined by owner i think whatever it is you put in the book needs to be on the drawing it's a it's a minor thing to do but i think it needs to be done because i want personally approve reading because a lot when i went through made my questions then we then went through this found some of the answers a question jeffrey on some of the need you know you told me where to look so i just think that that's something that needs to be done just finalize the that the actual drawing so everybody's had a chance to to look at them  issues that we had only to the gentle residents citizens petition was that that house that's on the other side of waverly street was the scale of the house was amplified because it was raised up on a higher grade is there anything that you can talk about in terms of what your efforts will be to kind of lower the grade there to help minimize the impact of  what we have planning to do is lower the grade by a foot and the style of the homes are relatively low i believe they're only twenty twenty eight feet or one of them might even be twenty three feet  relatively low style homes which would fit in with the neighbors on waverly terrace one on waverly street i believe to be twenty eight foot thirty feet which i'm often with the first one down for the next one down there ok but i think if i could just offer the just one quick thing and again it's just it's more of a housecleaning than anything but the plot plan shows the garage i think of the right side right on this particular building it's different from the drawing yeah the plot plan shows a garage in the right in outside parking on leave the i want to ask the board what their thoughts were on the stone if the general consensus is you would like all clapboard we could certainly do that well willing to walk to work with the board it's a drawing that we came up with scant a unique in a cost but we can go either way i personally like the stone i like the look of it i think it's that it's a lot of character so you know so again that's why i want to see the drawing is this says b one b two and b three all have this trim it and it does it so let's put this detail specifically for each building as it relates to  sure it's one by eight up above the rate the rakes the corn is one by eight cell on on the other house i may be able to go by one by ten so really when i get in forty five yeah on the forty five just double check the instructions on those because they're really specific and all the inspectors will go by what the manufacturer's instructions are the biggest thing what they what we found with the fireplaces it's the travel of that event the distance and where it's in the corner it's it's only a matter of yes i actually had a note there i said to close the corner will see the smoke you know in the wintertime you'll see that billowing smoke come out of it that's there that's what's going to be in that corner but you push it down put it in the center of the living really out of the specific to this house and in that as we do the other houses will be specific to those houses in in hold on to your comments about the whole project until the end or come back afterwards if people you know  don't like the project i want to support the whole project but we just try to do the design it's like we have review right now for this particular house and then we'll move on to the special permit for the other to introduce yourself where you're from sorry now i'm thirty waverly terrorists i'm a town meeting member in precinct three and i'm also one of the co sponsors of the demolition m torreon for the general residents i have a couple of comments on this on this particular house but first i just want to mention the mass and scale of this particular house seems a little too large and second we need to see the visuals of what this will look like in the neighborhood when these houses are placed i didn't see any of that in the application whether it's a cad design or some way to see what the impact will be in the neighborhood just to be clear you mean like a front elevation showing of what we're looking for and i approached yes i think i know but that's actually a house on b street where i don't there were no visual of the head of what it would look like and i don't know if this can be shown on camera but we just want reassurance that this does to each other just for the scale of it we do it every other typically in every other place we have photos showing the houses that are alongside the other houses we're looking at it's helped us passively i think it makes sense and i think it's a village get it for the houses you know you know it's not as big a big project but it's a small neighborhood you know with houses that are that haven't been there but i think it's not unreasonable to ask for i think it's i think it's not hard to do thank you thank you since eighty nine day is very brief for over one hundred twenty years this was the sight of a single victorian house facing waverly street with one driveway onto really street and a barn facing waverly street then as you know sadly this past august of this historic chill was demolished waverly terrace just a little background i've given you small lots to quote our town historian richard that's it took its name i imagine because it was a terrace off of waverly street and in your packet i've given you the richard betts is right up on how waverly terrace first came into existence today where really terrace has nine houses and you've got the pictures but in all these sixty six years all the owners everyone has respected and protected the character charm scale that we all value of our unique park neighborhood we've added s before we passed the moratorium and none of us did that in all these sixty six years five of the houses just support of information have only over half of the houses have only one car we have no overhead wires waverley street does and we respectfully ask the planning board to ensure that there will be no overhead wires on waverly terrace and just as an aside there are no granite curbs either on waverly terrace and the the really the last thing i want to talk about is the metrics and we understand we appreciate the importance of the metrics but we ask that more w be given to the actual street that is being proposed for new houses in this case than in the future i hope the audience understands that the very houses that we were that were called into question for the demolition moratorium harrah street waverly street huge houses railroad cars are being now used to look just saying if more weight could be given to the actual street this could perhaps be made a little bit smaller and it would change the quarter where the court would be just in summary we don't want unintended consequences so we must ask respectfully for the visuals and thank you mr chairman for that to show what the street will look like when these two houses and three driveways are added with the proposed tight mass and setbacks and finally we're here tonight because this is really the largest development to be presented since we passed our new zoning in the general residence district precedent will be set and i know you know that there are consequences that whatever is allowed to be built on our cul de sac with this big development will have long term consequences and impact so thank you for the opportunity to long to speak on us just to be clear abo t what i would what you know what i think would be a good visual is this my plan that i referred to earlier that shows the three the three homes on the lot and in your show these pull your engineers up there take a shot it's a judas any inside us house just to the ridge just for comparison sake i think it's going to be really close for love to know what the heights of the existing houses in that neighborhood are because now we've got your height so then we can do a pretty fair comparison not saying that you have to be you know as tall but i think that you'll find just looking at your this house which is on the back page your theory  drastic to the rich  the to the left to be looking at b one to the left next to where the bar next to where the banks i had a lot of prepared notes here but a lot of this has been gone over i don't want to repeat for the sake of time but first of all i'd like to thank the build for it spending a whole lot of time listening to the neighbors and coming up with a design that's really appropriate for the neighborhood this still some concerns mostly the mass especially of b one and where i'm next door it really did wharfs my residence but also i appreciate the fact of the roof lines that they're like he said twenty three to twenty five feet  my particular cape i believe was the last one built and for some reason has a low pitched roof and i'm actually nine hundred feet to the ridge from the grade so not that much difference between the twenty three  my only concern is the difference in grade and as the is human guys mention with the elevation showing section of my house the front the front elevation of b one b two and would be the left side of b three doesn't have to be detail drawing just just to get a rough idea of what it's going to look light because the grade is significantly different and i'm glad i going to try and cut the grade down somewhat i have a question about the setbacks especially front setback i spoke to geoffrey about this and i was actually more confused after i left his office when i got there i know this with a new zoning and the small lots and the less than hundred foot depth that some of those parameters have changed but i was under the impression that the front set backs where the average whatever reason the house is on waverly terrorists the vast majority of them are set back their front set back is about twenty five feet five more than what is required in the zoning bylaws so they could actually build out to twenty feet out a five foot addition however there are twenty five paul five at one thousand waverly terrace at twenty five feet so the calculation goes that you do take the average of the abiding houses on either side but when the house front setback is more than twenty feet you take twenty feet and the abutting lot which in this case would be two would be twenty feet as well so in this case the average of twenty is twenty a very confusing thing to do because there's so many variations of what happens right at it st nothing built their parking lot built there what do you so i mean it is what it is in the zone here if in fact it is if instead of the twenty five which everyone else to sit back at so just to make a try to clean it up again head if your house was eighty feet we would still use the average of eighteen and twenty to come up with the front step back for th homes making anomaly to the defined neighborhood being considered and i think any new construction should be that should be taken into consideration overall on that i think i d to between dad and the fact that it falls so low in the rankings which are designed not as an average but as account so that they're not the story if i wanted to very large houses having dealt it's hard for me to see encouraging in this is that this process is in place where we didn't used to be in place and you know the fact that we need in this is design cycle a review of this particular house but if we do have a lot of  point i mean hips add a lot to the character of a house you know and absolutely and will help with the the value of other homes in the neighborhood to that number one number two that's unused attic space it's storage space it's not you know he could have gone feet he's a twenty year at thirty two he's there it's he's got an attached garage you don't that's where the did that's where the differences i mean so he makes the house a little bit smaller and give you more asphalt to accommodate  comment if you're going to do that i'd like to see the like to see the good if you will and then and then you know a nice or real profile whether you want to  here or mahogany if you want to do for you that would be great i mean i i don't know i mean to me i don't even know that you need them but if you want to go through there if you want to put them on there i go i  you're only access to the backyard it looks like it's through the what you're calling the  living so it's a slider in the living room as opposed to going again this is more of a you know whoever's going to be living there when you're when you're cooking over the back and it's nice to go from your kitchen to the rear as opposed to you know i would refrigerator in between a refrigerator in the closet there's some wall space it's not counter space maybe an exterior door right there that would open up to the towards the closet that might give them access from the kitchen right up to the backyard the you know to come all the way out here to get to the backyard as opposed to just come out here but again it's a it's a flow thing it's a design thing and it can and then with the you you're hearing from you while you're cooking you know i'm not saying eliminate that you know i'm just saying i have a better way out to the back of the kitchen but just so the other thing that's really important to me again the basement windows in the front of the house eighty six right now because like i just want to go on record saying that for all the houses for me it just takes away from them but you don't have those up with the house and they're just so i think joe's idea is a good idea if you want to have more of an open landscape if you don't want to do it so why anybody else in the board audience anything specific to to be if you do come up introduce yourself why can't you switch be two would the changes in the roof line are traffic so i don't have any comments about that i would comment your your comment about the exit to the backyard of the back of the house i have to say i used to own a bungalow in west roxbury in the one thing that i always wanted was to be able to get out that out to the yard from the back door i had a side exit and i have to say that that's one thing that anyone who's living there might actually want to do so i would agree with that i have a question about setbacks and so a little bit confused about that i don't see where the houses have a twenty five foot setback because i thought that the town had six or eight feet of the front of all of our yard so where how is it measured in terms of setback from the property line to the closest piece of a street it's thirty feet so this that five or six feet that's considered sidewalk yes and it could be different on the next house it really depends on the layout of the street ok you know the comments i'd be to so for me my concern was to kind of take it to the full impact of the lessons learned about the mass and scale if if there was any efforts to kind of control that more i know you look at shaving the because i think you have to have it here in the old part of the town i don't really go for these dark houses that's what i call them just from the run the chimney straight up the side and put a conventional chimney on that i would love  they going to go you know i don't know that it's part of our purview but i would imagine they have i mean they have garages what i would imagine would be in a garage but don't you want to even make a comment and it's hard to know because they'd need to be space in the garage to put those those pieces of equipment because a garage is a designed for gasoline automobiles and that's where they should go so i would think that should be a requirement for all three of these buildings the next statement i have is i would like to know if each building has at least to eat grass is from the basement powered things and i don't think it's this board has the hour to add that as a condition i i just i understand the concern but you know they make sheds his garage space and i think it's really up to the individual if they violate health code laws of this storing gasoline with a should that that's an issue for another boarder and another entity i think anybody else have any comments think i have a question about setbacks on the three this house is facing and using as a front set back where we street right now i understand it to be because the corn a lot of it has two fronts and my question is what is the rear setback it's actually being shown here on the plot plan i have as the right hand side of the house and the actual what i would consider the wrist setback is being shown as the side yard front yards as belmont does so that is the reason that you go to watertown you go to many of the other surrounding communities you choose which one you want to be the front so maybe that's something you guys can correct in  the only reason i brought that up is if it were situated the other way then then all you're thinking would be there i think that wouldn't be the back end of the building thankfully it is that's the way it is i have time and it will be quite a lot i would have to right now i understand i understand that  and my other question is all these houses are showing covered front porches i believe that the want to be one all of which project into that front set back by four feet is that they are the front  about metrics others have sort of referred to this sort of tangentially as being that you know the uniqueness of waverly terrace and so forth i'm concerned because when the board decides what to use is a neighborhood that's a really critical decision because this whole idea behind this zoning idea behind the moratorium proceeding it was that we would look to protect neighborhoods from  development that was just out of scale that just didn't fit in the neighborhood and and while i know that the board sort of wisely chose not to try to establish new metrics and new new height and dimension restrictions because it's so variable across the district the guidelines really focussed on fit with the neighborhood so what one calls the neighborhood is clearly very important i'm concerned that the area that the board chose to include within the neighborhood is really very variable yes yes that's why i have that from your from the website as well extending to beach street extend including large let me ask a question first before we get further into this is this this matches the colored map that you just held up which is this was this package a planning board developed package that was on the website i mean  we determined it was from you or was it everything else was from the developer that's why i wasn't sure what yeah the board prior to an applicant coming in with their application and we know what's in the offing it's going to having we make a decision as the board and determine what we believe the neighborhood is that we're going to base the metrics on no agreed and i saw i saw the boogie board meeting when you impacted that i just want to make sure that the information here was in fact you know from you all i did some sort of further analysis of what i call sub neighborhoods and here i just use streets unfortunately it's not entirely accurate now because i was using total living area of twenty two hundred feet treach of the properties which is was on the list in the website was that just was that  looked at the twenty two hundred feet in terms of total living area i just want to point out in a two areas in the two measures that i consider sort of most relevant to how how developed the properties are how bunches develop their total living with respect to average living area all of them including now one of sort of quickly adjusted the average living area for these three proposed properties all of them are between the two thousand and three which is what these three properties now come to and almost twenty eight properties listed two point five four and davis road waverly terrace comes in a point two seven it's at the low end of this neighborhood and i guess what i'm thinking is that if you define a neighborhood it's what i would consider too large but if you define a neighbor to a certain size you're basically in a sense you're saying that development that would be ok on waverley street or that would be ok neighborhoods in g r are going to ultimately over time kind of disappear because they're being held to a higher standard port forwarding the limits the boundaries of what can be built on those are being defined by a larger area that already has think that starts to defeat the purpose i think it starts to make it a little bit tenuous in terms of doing it i personally feel like i grew with it what everyone has said about the design work that the developers have done i think they've really come a long way think they've done a lot of good design and a lot of talk was on  one i mean i looked at the one saying why is the largest one for the center waverly terrace now clearly it isn't on height it was correctly pointed out there they're ridgelines or about a very close if not the same as some of the ridge as most of the ridge lines on the capes but it's forty two by thirty five footprint and i know you're saying joe that there's this part because there's a garage inside an otherwise you'd be looking at cars well number one have to go risers in belmont are have furniture stored in them and people still park in their driveway so i don't know that cars are going to disappear because there's a garage and secondly my own personal preference i must speak for anyone else here yeah i'd rather see i'd rather see the asphalt strip in the in the  as all the other neighbors have with a couple of cars parked if it would get would if would buy me a smaller house in terms of that that's going to be a very large house in terms of the mass not the height i agree they stepped up the height fairly nicely going from w data and was going to sort of share the summary stuff with you in writing except the right now it's wrong at least with respect to these i thought to be twenty two hundred build up its average is twenty three but the point about waverly terrace remains it's at the bottom end of all of those development respects so if you're sitting there on waverly terrace which i happen to be doing i don't see the fit quite so well despite their best efforts and get i'm not i'm not  against the project i would be the time to speak the designs here and that has a concrete sidewalk and i just wondered how that factors into setback when we in some cases we've asked developers affect this developer in another area that we asked to do sidewalks curbing i think what i've heard from the neighborhood is that they prefer not to have it in this neighborhood because it would these would be the only homes that did have it it's something we need to talk about and determine as a whole we can ask in fact we can can make it a condition if we'd like to to have sidewalks ok i was just wondering and trying to get a feel for how close the houses will be to the street and just understanding how the sidewalk or detention sidewalk bac moment i think part of what this was going to and i wonder too is with the sidewalks is drawn in those plans is that coming out of what now is lawn going into the hill or is there anything or you think it would be taking as it's measured now would  taking any of the street so it's not it's not even shown up it's on the air it's on the overhead of the three properties it yeah i agree with you do we have any idea at this point let's have one what's have one meeting place sixty people do we have any idea at this point where that sidewalk why something from my mentions on this and again we haven't talked about the drawing yet and joe just pointed out to me you know carl haglund who's not here tonight is our resident landscape architect so when we do get into the landscaping he should be here because we believe you appreciate respect his comments and we're not going to get this done tonight a just making that if that were somehow all or part of it would lie where currently the street lies the edge of the street lies where the terrace is not very wide and so on unless there's an easement that allows that sidewalk to be you know i do i would rather leave that to people who actually lived there i mean it's not coming down to where i live anyway because i'm at the end of the cul de sac i mean i would i would just assume not have it you drive down the street sure no i would prefer number one you know i would say i'm not anxious to have sidewalks i certainly don't think any concrete sidewalks and in granite curbs i mean i just don't think those i have not having inside yeah i agree if there is one for so if some overriding reason says yeah we got to do is please don't take any of the street because the street just does not have much with now we wouldn't be it wouldn't be even on his plan it doesn't show that so what does come out of what you know it would probably be the right of way it's probably wider in the he area so ask that we come back to the landscaping unless there are any comments that anybody would like to make on the board you know clearly there's a lot of a lot of leads here but how we get into the i just wanted to clarify that it was the pot plant that's online and maybe there's something more up to date that shows the twenty five foot set back then the area for the sidewalk but then there's additional sidewalks so that was my coverage first of all is this easement legal because at last night's bushlike when meeting they were that was on the agenda as one of the topics and from my understanding any new home had to come from the street and the only exception the front on the front of the house in the street the only exception that would be if it was a corner lot they could break in from the side so my question is the driver and one twenty six waverly street and it's at i don't know what the legalities of that are and we will find out as i know they made a big it was a big discussion last night at the part of that issue last night was that they were closing a deal in the street where the town had just built the street and there was a moratorium and they had been told that no you can't install gas in the street there's a moratorium because t building but i hope you've made this right maybe you know i mean i think you know what we've done in the past is we've continued that hearing and then the next time we come back we'd like to see all of the suggested changes and all agreed upon changes put on the drawings into the missing information that i asked about it correcting the one drawing and all that and you know come back here so we can review those changes in that that time go to be made about some very small subset that would work for the case in hand there are other neighborhoods for example where the potential developer would like to have argued that and large houses had been built on a single street that meant that there should be no if we had been willing to define a neighborhood as a single street that would mean that there would be no limit to the number of large houses there but i think that's that's one plan the i think the second is that the concept of neighborhood in how it's defined with respect to walking distance roads and so on is one about which there's been a great deal of thought and a great deal of writing and we've tried to take advantage of it it's also a concept it's used by the a censors who indeed have the town divided into neighborhoods where the key criteria is if you're if you're showing a house in one area what are the other houses in which you've shown that fire so that these i'm not these are not arbitrary and can be useful they can not be too small or they are just unduly impacted by the last three things that happened on the street and if one looks at how this concept is used the neighborhood sizes that we've worked with which are typically between probably fifty and a hundred structures a pretty much what anyone any other planning board other assessing units use if anything the assessor's neighborhoods are substantially larger than ours and there's the three hundred four and ended it roughly coincides with the three hundred foot limit a notification criteria but the request you made about the landscaping to show what a tandem space would be vs split well answered should she answer that question i don't know that necessarily we're not going to answer the question but it's going to show in the required ten feet currently for the nine feet currently so i think they're a good trade off because i'm still not a big fan of the four tandem pairs going in a row i'm trying to think of a way where ninety nine is eighteen for children right i think he's not going to be there side by side because he has to maintain the minimum six seven what his he has to maintain the minimal what he has now because if you're going to make it but if you maintain six seven jeffrey picks up alternative parking plan that that works for the site that that we might or might not approve of but but we're not going to work i don't think i don't think i would approve the scheme that's been presented to us in light of the information i met to discuss whether to look at the definition ok think about recent cases to see whether somebody was pushing the envelope or creating a situation that we were comfortable with with a two family dwelling and we didn't actually identify new and whether we were comfortable with the way that land looks you know now with a long corridor we thought that the definition in combination with the other pieces of the zoning by laws which required the front door with no more than i think a twenty percent setback for captured was handling the concerns to date and we couldn't identify any unintended consequences that are arising from the current definitions so we think to the deadly concluded that the definition of family milling doesn't need to be and then we didn't have a bit more of a conversation in part based on the dante about is just a deeper dive on some of the density issues particularly as we come up against with our most recent don't file a change the possibility of a two family versus two single family is or placement of windows and things of that nature so that we're not sending out the kids back multiple times spending a lot of money and drawings when alternately there's the discomfort and the members of the board with the density that is being proposed over and over again and we can't singlehandedly police the concept of applicants who want to push the envelope and make the choice to spend a lot of money on drawings to see exactly how much doesn't seem like from my perspective it requires in the lead up time to time meeting in this break because there wouldn't be any amendment repeal the issue and i agree that a lot of that discussion if it were up front and we have these discussions because yeah i see the tension there but i think you know bathrooms on third floors and then that's come up multiple times that are we said for basements the number of bedrooms generally listen thing that is you know we may not feel comfortable with five or six tenderly we might be able to say that right up front if that's so if somebody came in with total square footage here total living area number  drawings based on the way you look at the bible i think that the two family things the way it's just i happen to be a barber to make a long story short and the bottom line is that you're going to have to probably go see jeffrey the people in general to be a lot more informed as to what show up with well i don't know that we need to go actually i don't know that we can prepare someone better that i think they're going to be better prepared based on our past experiences here i don't know that we can i don't know can drop something as that will appear anybody other that if they just look at what's happened  transactions acquisitions and mergers there's generally step one which is called conceptual concurrence and you go to the board and you send bradley speaking this is what we're thinking about and this is why we're thinking about it with us and so there are lots of things that get shot right there and i think that's the idea that you put forward something like that where we say you know you've got a thirty eight hundred has nothing to do with the world of development lands have actually done the same thing you're absolutely right they come in here with that with a conceptual what they think will work here and with some of jeffries gardens what i think which i think your body down with the past few applicants that have come through here and it seems to have worked really well we had a very good experience i'm birch tree one time i think that was great i think that these guys actually did a good job given the size of their project and even the neighborhood that they've been trying to work with i think things have to stay pretty much the way they are you have to commute here with a conceptual drawing of what you're thinking you'd like to do and say hey of this is great something that we should do it's just a matter of how do you go about doing it and make it make it so that we're not designing this this thing for them and give them maybe some broad guidelines but i think the guidelines are there i think jeffrey plays an important but so i think it's helpful and some of us felt you know you just feel like all these people come in they spend their money and drawings we should carefully consider this and i haven't always known up front that jeffrey had laid down the line for him and said you should do this so i i feel like than than the role of the religious could be a little bit more transparent and to the extent that either you know you were in jail or meeting with an applicant and you provided some you know pushback no and in the form of notice to them or jeffrey did i mean obviously none of you individually is can be the decision maker of the board boat is a hole but you you are offering some guidance and to me that sort of effects the process and the sort of transparency in the fairness of the sort of give and take and and that sort of changes things a little bit for me too and i think we were talking about the process and i don't think we can you know i think it's helpful to have jeffrey communicate to us in particular  can't you know place where we have a sort of the conceptual term sheet or whatever with the basic numbers on it but but maybe the first set of drawings we get we can be a little bit more  and don't see three versions of a drawing with a third of our bathroom before we finally put our foot down and say right there of about there it's going nowhere because i do feel like it's easy people get set in their minds you know what they want and both sides and it's not very efficient and effective and it's you know think it builds goodwill so i guess but i think it is a process neighborhood that was what you going to organize last time have you met with your with the neighborhood yes we have met with the neighborhood group wonderful the representatives of the neighborhood group with whom we met here this evening we've met with the neighborhood group review both the changes that had been previously discussed and some new ideas that have emerged from yes and so i believe that we have and i proposed changes that we feel comfortable going to the you remember we had scheduled a public comments back and forth that that so i thought we had a very but this was just a quick take on trying to put out there what's going on what's a little bit what happened what you're looking for i also recognizing that again it's just two weeks away i've gone ahead and put together a slide show  was praised for example when people are camper rarely using propane or perhaps permanently using propane to heat the question but do we want to allow those in the front or what currently says it can't be altered more than twelve inches right we went to eliminating the word altered and just replacing it with rates so that it allows for a cut to happen so you can actually lower the lower and  so in short there were only some changes but we went through many other ideas that would have been looted and you got much greater clarity on why they would not be a good idea citizens for responsible sewing we had a wonderful discussion and we got into a great deal of detail and i think was very productive we did uncover a few things as are reflected in this just one thought on the propane see that the house now being built on the corner of dalton and betts was in the moratorium district because it's so big and he invited us to encourage the planning board to drop by  and i would encourage in fact anybody in the in the audience to drop by the corner of bet's and dalton and see the new house that's going up and see that thirty two feet is still pretty darn big and bulky is bulk so as we go into this public discussion i think it's worthwhile to have a look at that house and see what might be done about that because it's clearly different now obviously it's in a much smaller lot then nine thousand square feet conforming but nonetheless it's it's a it's a great poster child for for conformity with surrounding neighbors so we invite you to come on down and with that  hi my name is alan and i live on sergeant road i am a town meeting member for print from precinct seven and i concur with what steve just said it was a very very good meeting we look forward to the hearing and also to april town meeting with this will come up again and again encourage those in the audience to come by and see the neighborhood that we're talking about one of the concerns that i did raise at the meeting and it came up here briefly tonight and at last night's selectmen meeting is the propane gas storage units and given the fact that so many people are converting to get ass and it's my understanding i don't have the stats but my understanding that the grid national grid is unable to fill all of the requests in a timely manner to do the cuts that are being required that there will be more propane gas tanks we have a lot of not a lot in the town but there are a number of buildings houses that have been rebuilt to have been demolished and renovated rebuilt and i just have a concern that we don't become a town of propane gas tanks because i never remember seeing so many and they're  awful close to very very close to the side of the house on bet's road that construction has been completed so i just encourage i think jeffrey scott to follow up with national grid and i'd be interested to see just exactly what the timeframe is you know for any of the proposed gas cuts in the in the town of bellemont so anyway i look forward to the hearing and thank you so much for underground ones i wonder like electricity and other utilities in town i wonder if we could make the rule that if they are going to be installed they can still run in the back yes we do we we actually talked about that did you i think precisely what you just said if in fact the house is going to convert to propane that the tanks would have to be buried and they have to be put in a different locations so i  thing but i guess my point is with propane you can you know you can just change a little was that yeah it's easy and he switched but well no way it's not going to happen so this is what we all talked about the pinkerton precinct seven the one exception to that might be the issue that came up last night is that when you're dealing with us a street that's just been waved and there's a i mean that's the town policy is not to cut that street up  again then there might be some dispensation allowed you know for a longer period you know the vote on the commitment by the gas company or something like that just just to give those people a little bit of relief because this was an odd situation but i completely agree if you're going to go  to propane and that's the plan then they need to be buried tanks you know unless it's going to be a temporary measure that would have a time limit on it so it was good work if not we're going to have at least two less right you think they do to some extent but not the problem is the meeting on tuesdays in and they could be held separately