at seven two and as always we start with public to be heard for items that are not on the agenda do we have any of those yes or please state your name for the record  very cautious i mean look look look you got to go ok i went somebody was flying through here now my criticizing no i'm not defending me it's fifty miles an hour  yourself i need you people to speak up with these kids on the bus because if they slow down the thirty five i have a chance to get this far so they're ok i went to the i didn't go to my boss because they are nothing on your plate this person of the school district complained to me about this and that's why i said you know what you gotta leave my power first they don't need my skin if i don't do it who will do it for these kids that's not a good ratio you know i'm assuming you're returning yes and left i have no choice of my elementary and middle school it's in the afternoon in there and that's around three o'clock at three forty us to where we are today and then and then and we will take all your questions but it made sense to have everybody on the same page to to know why the select boards where we are and so in respon would be entertained if they were beneficial to both parties immediately the u g if he brought in a developer with a proposal and at first blush it looked like it was essentially a no brainer because the town would get pretty much everything it wanted at no cost to the taxpayers and the u j f t would get their target price of one point five million well as their progress the numbers became less favorable to the town and fifty also voted but not the same language so we could not do anything until september when both committees and both boards voted on the same language which met our first meeting to even begin discussing this for the taxpayers and the ramifications to the town was september eighteenth we were of differing opinions among the board of what to do then i expressed concern that we didn't have enough time to really that this for the whole town because people from the center really are more privy to what's going on than say somebody in riverside  riverside folks were just saying you know why is my taxes going to go up why should i vote for this and so we had asked then the fire department if they would consider postponing this vote that we had talked about for  november for a long time and i understand the article on the exam also goes nowhere for fourth november fourth of november fourth but we thought because we wanted people to be able to talk about it more than just two or three meetings and october before a vote we asked them if  because we really do want to be able to give the town people enough time to talk about this and to feel that they are have enough knowledge to vote on such a big proposal  so we haven't decided what we're going to do yet on that that that's later this evening i'll talk a little bit about the negotiating committee and why the agreement came and we started with the premise  based on the passions last fall that an outside developer was not what people wanted to see but we as a board also wanted to keep the cost down for the taxpayers of the town ideas in the fall that were expressed that you know the u g of gift to the town because it was gifted to them well that wasn't going to go because it was for their benefit for the towns so keeping the costs  down would require some development at a minimum it's the selling off of the house and some acreage the huge e f t was going to sell anyway whether it's to the town or to a developer so if at least it's to the town there is a we can have a broader public process as to what happens to the land which brings us to the ballot question for a town meeting and the ballot item is strictly going whether we do it for now or for a town meeting strictly on the long term financing of a capital s it has no meaning to it as to what we're going to do with the land it's just simply a financing mechanism that people will be voting on and when the from when the original from when the when the when the financing arrangement or negotiations sort of started should gel and everybody agreed and then getting through the process of the full fire department actually voting on something then the full select board voting on something then we found out we hadn't voted on the same thing so they had to go back and vote on it they only meet once a month so by the time we had an agreement that was validated by both the board and the full fire department it was already september eighteenth so that is and then we met on september eighteenth and we said whoa that's six weeks away that we're talking about three meeting and  not enough time but it's now we'd really have no idea if we if we don't put this on the november fourth ballot we don't know if we're going to get to vote on it again because that the because if we put this on the november fourth ballot the and that and the i mean i'm sorry if we don't put on the november fourth ballot the fire department has a legal right to go sell it to whoever they want and they have said november fourth because we were looking for a date that more people would show up to the polls the problem was we as a as a board feel that we have a responsibility for all the taxpayers in the town to make sure that they have the information they need to make it a qualified vote we're not sure how we feel about the fire department saying the deal is off if we don't vote  not here tonight and he is not able to be available by phone either and he is very concerned that if we vote to kind of fall in line with the part when you go ahead with the november fourth even though i know that from the about because it said november fourth a lot that was our target goal he really was concerned about not being able to participate in the vote so i mean we're all kind of not sure you know whether to go ahead and wait and see what they'll do or what i mean that really is a problem because of the ballot because you know he's not here to vote as a selectman and he really a very emotional passionate process like that looked like it was really going to tear the town apart i mean from port forums exploding the community center was packed with meetings and it was very clear people were upset at the thought of it being sold to an outside developer without input from the community if you sell it to you know somebody like yourself i mean who you know likes to do nice houses you have the process and those are the people that have a voice at the hearings if the town bought it our idea was to then make it have a separate process where the q munity has  into what they want to see happen with the land i mean they could essentially say you know if you can get enough people in town from all parts of town willing to pay the cost of a principal and the interest of twelve dollars per year which is about thirty six dollars per three hundred for thirty years just to keep it open or you know say it's reduced by the sale of the house and the increase because the houses there then that's up to the community it's not up to us i mean we really wanted to have a full public vetting because there were so many people who were concerned about what would happen is if the gateway they want to preserve is that the entire parcel because there were people who came forward who said that ellis reversed one of open so that's the difference a developer is going to have public input at the d or b where the town would actually be able to say the community has decided just to pay for it leave it open or whatever or whatever or when we've done over this thing whatever we do we would be just like anybody because that's where the c d c would be involved and they would that because the town would not be a developer we would pass the land to the c d c which is portion of the property in the only portion of the property that's located in the village center zoning district which is quarter acre zoning so when you hear these discussions about development that's most likely the area where development if it were to occur would occur and that's the fire department building right in front of it right yes and then so the yellow is yes it's plain zero yet so then the yellow area is the rest of the property that's on show sort of in this isn't set in stone it's just trying to illustrate the agreement the yellow area is basically you heard this like word invention that the house could be subdivided off and sold that so that shows that area it could be three acres or could be more it can't be any less than three acres in order to sell the house the elephant sort of yellowy green you know you have the green if you're familiar with the property there's a ridge that  in the back of the property that runs along sort of the the tree line that just good is going to show that that field area is about twenty five twenty six acres the agreement that we have with the fire department is that they would retain about ten acres of the property near the gravel pit for a training facility so this is just trying to show that the area when we were talking with them where they thought generally they would like to have the ten acres and you can taxpayers understand understand so i as i understand it one point very well was to have it sold by the end of two thousand and fourteen so that may be but the sticking point is i don't but they are as to why they said no we don't know we're not privy to that you know want to address that member concerned about the fact that an organization that's supposed to serve the town is actually trying to make in that sense many of us are feeling trying to make money and we heard at that meeting that they were going to be doing this to reduce the burden on the taxpayer so i don't really see where that is in this agreement that's my number one for my number two question is and this is where i'll get picky and you know this is a legal say we're giving your forty thousand dollars in interest payments and the taxpayers are going to cut forty thousand dollars out of that is that breach of contract how this is written in legal language could mean very different i  have just one i think through all this and i go with that on the contract i also go over will not have the information to make an informed decision because the devil's in the details i take a look at expenditures whether you exactly and the training this helps real ramifications beyond just the reverse property and terms of what it's going to mean for the citizens of jericho and i feel really uncomfortable seeing these principles without a legal agreement  flags and i do go through each one of these highly very very red flags that can go in many different directions depending on how the agreement we greet there is devil in the details i had so many mothers will say sounds good to influx from us because we're going to buy this property i mean under hills is you have bad benefits quite that in terms of their fire department gets gets boosted as well so yeah i mean  there's a lot of question through i mean basically that's why when we work with the lawyer based on state statute we put the worst case scenario on the ballot which is the you know shall we buy one point two four million and if you do interest only it is x amount of dollars and and then the principle of the last year i mean it's really strictly show you buy it for their price i mean all the other stuff is you know so maybe we wait till town meeting and talk about these details in between i mean i mean this is why we're having these discussions i'm going to forest is the purchase price and then we have the interest if we have to actually take  after the one point two four then oh yeah they'd be awful absolutely but that's why the goal was that's why that was the thinking that having the deal early on to talk about just interest gave this the community time to decide what they wanted to do because the the house would reduce the principal and reduce the interest payments and the c d c was initially thinking that it would not take the full amount of the sale to put it against the principal and  say some interest behind to make the quarterly payment so that the taxpayers would not be beholden for their well and then you could take your time to decide whether you're going leave the land open or open it to further development which would reduce and pay off the interest  principal over time if we bonded it from the very beginning but you don't have to bond to buy it we could if you wanted to have it open just strictly faith principle and interest for thirty years at  twelve dollars per hundred thousand it's the difference between eight and twelve i mean that's clearly but there is a lot of detail that we has to be worked out we had they have to subdivide the land before we can buy it because we cannot buy the land based on our lawyers advice without having them survive off the land that they want to keep so i wanted it go back and answer your question tracy better about why the fire department said no or why it's sticking point for them and to do that i'm going to read you some emails one is from tim to randy with a whole bunch of people  see the fire department town and he says as you know the whole process was significantly delayed by the fact that it is meeting the precise language differed from the proposed purchase as agreed and as the select board voted on it this forced to wait until the september huge a f d meeting to get a relevant and binding vote that would de lay eat up much of the time we had originally planned to use in public meetings and public education now unfortunately we do not have enough time to fully inform the public and give voters enough opportunity to question and discuss the proposal we definitely do not believe that  matter is weighty and expensive as this or can or should be railroaded through without adequate discussion the next major opportunity for a meaningful public vote where we can expect major turnout is town meeting day thus it's our intention to postpone the vote until then and to conduct a series of public meetings on the matter so that all aspects of the agreement can be fully aired explained and discussed we fully understand that you may wish to put this change in date to the u j f t membership its next meeting and we hope that they will understand and agree to the meeting and then the response gives the reason and give the answer and the reason hang on one second you have too much stuff in my inbox tuesday good morning the you j f d rivers land committee held a meeting last evening to discuss the extension requested by the town of jericho to move the vote from november fourth two thousand and fourteen to town meeting day two thousand and fifteen regarding the agreement to purchase the rivers land the committee voted unanimous quote to not extend the date and quote for the following reasons and this is bull it's the town of jericho set the date of november back in april the town of jericho announced in july on jericho front porch forum that the vote would be in november well it's therefore it was determined that it is up to the town of jericho to proceed as planned for the last five months that's all it's us unfortunately we had thought we have those time so i just thought you deserved no because you know a lot of the stuff it now it kind of does matter i mean wicca that's the answer i don't i you know personally don't think that really addresses what the question was and what the concern was and there was a real i think honest explanation from tim saying why we wanted more time and the response from randy in my opinion doesn't really address that financing i mean we're paying what what we just get appraised as the fair market value for the property but then any income generated by that town over the course of time we have to hand over sixty percent should have been fully and we thought we were moving on to the same language they kept pushing for more and quite frankly tim just threw it away because based on what we had looked at expenses of getting it to that point so if the parents paid one point two four it and put in four hundred thousand dollars who are up to one point six if we sold half the town sold some things and it up with a million dollars about how the property secured clavicle and if we sell it the town sells off a hundred thousand dollars worth of the property the fire department then loses one hundred thousand the clarification on the sixty forty split without weighing in on the merits of it that only takes him after after the money has been generated from being commitment generated from the property more than a million one point two million yen or so if if if the if the town books yes purchases and we start a planning process and everyone agreed that the farm house in three years would be sold off that would be sold at whatever price it would theoretically that would go to the fire department and pay off the prince you know that went to the principal hammer will be done but if that that sixty forty split would not be praised value we had two independent appraisals and they valued from one point zero six essentially one point zero six billion to one point six and the target price for the fire department had with one point five  so the negotiating committee felt that one point two four with some of your sorry did you hear that one point zero two four with some of these a denims probably made made it closer to the one point five target price of the fire department appraisals on the property based on best use and the cost valuation and all the things that praises you one was fifty some pages long and the other one was forty pages long and what the one point zero six actually broke out land that was not able to be developed so that came with a lower price the other one just did the gross areas and which is why it was one point six we felt that it's better to do it on the lower side because there is land that we don't want to have developed so these are actual independent appraisals of the market value currently and the big part of that is the appraisals looked at it as three separate parcels so when you break up a big piece of land into a smaller parcel the per person usually the per person price goes up so the town appraisal looks at you know the house site that everything else is just ballplayer and so that's another reason yeah the word community septic thinking is municipal it is not municipal if people in jericho center i mean this was something that was thrown out last fall but of people in jericho center who do have those issues  like i did my years ago we really you can't really plant we couldn't really plan before we had an agreement i mean think about it there had to be there was you know they were going to sell it they came in to us a year ago or something like i said it last year and said it to us they said we're just wanted to let you knowing where you go in the loop we're putting the property up for sale we're going to get the highest bid we can get we're hoping the seller for five million yes so what i'm saying is you know we had to we we had to we responded in the only way that we you know we were trying to respond to the community and to their wishes that this land be publicly discussed discussed yet not necessarily all of a publicly owned because that's financially going to be you know turkey you know maybe if everyone wants that that's not for me to say but so you have to think there was thirty four but if you use the whole property you certainly could do that purpose very nicely to put your major septic system there but and then there is as well so there may be thirty five or forty i mean there was a developer that we came in and was actively talking to the town talked about thirty five or forty s my question is why was the restoration of the landscape because there is a big unknown i think about to get a restoration you don't know what it's going to cost and if it's a few years into the future i can guarantee you it's going to be more  so why wasn't the cost to restore the land included in the kind of the costs to deal with the land why is it just the one point two four that could be a very significant expense  taking that risk they ran that was their own side business we never asked them to be a gravel pit they chose to be absolutely well i'll tell you these are what you're right there is no details and this is where we're you know playing it by ear right now because they have to subdivide the land in order to sell it to us and keep the part they want part of that you know we're talking collateral zation we're talking you know the gravel pits still making money they have the per active permit on it as todd pointed out on the man out there is a ridge line between the green in the blue perhaps one way of solving collateral and all these other issues is when they subdivide personnel that we need to pay for that we have not come through no no but that you see this was a gift to them because of because of the love of the very heart of it and there's a history there you know it wasn't give to the town it was getting to the fire department know we're all used to the volunteer fire department where reapers you have your you get there and this is a little different they really feel like it's property is theirs it was given to them to do with whatever they wanted and to benefit or to enjoy in whatever rivers property i mean we feel that we have done what the town has asked us to in the best way but now it's up to the community to decide whether it was the best way i mean because people really were upset with the whole process last year and we started this trying to to make it work if it doesn't i mean that that was also a good choice now back to people's questions did the person in the green behind you julie have your hand up first opposed to what not said you can just go to the bank pay them their one point two four million dollars and say you have one point two four million dollars you're not getting sixty percent of property here and two point four percent point four million on interest here i mean just seems like for a relationship very strange behavior with the town is no longer valid and working there not for profit status we have to we have two options unless they move forward and as we saw our presentation last year they plan to put another lean on the property to update as long as they have to hire mortgage on the property which is the palace of fifteen they will we cannot break the agreement with the town tell us we can revoke  is that there actually delay are going to say no you can't vote they need to understand i mean i know you're feeling pressure they said no this may be our only chance the reality is is i don't i don't buy that and if they really want to piss off the town go ahead and put it on on the market and sell it and see what happens on march that first tuesday in march twenty fifth team i guarantee you you're not going to have a lot of fire there and if they want to go there fine but i think you know if they really want to work with the town and have an agreement that works for them and for the town and doesn't make the town feel like we're having held hostage the fire department all the risk so the question i have for you is is this really the best deal you think we can get this or that is i think that tells us something about our fire department and if it isn't then i think we need to go back to the drawing  don't have a plan on how we want to develop our numbers you might be lucky to get four houses and thereafter you know some interest of their party comes in and wants to get party status and everything that goes on with active fifteen we can go for thirty get a lot of the same people here it was a lot of other people who are invested in that discussion and it was very clear that people wanted the town to step in and do something well you know because they didn't want to see you know i develop it wasn't very clear to me that was one that was one possibility and it was one that one of our select board members going fortunately is in the south of france right now could not really bramwell and in the absence of any of my own plans  that you know well not because frankly no one was happy with the way that it was going i mean no one ever was angry it was is it was did definitely ben and education we all know now because people really didn't want it we're confident of the cost of the taxpayers and you know trying to figure out but it doesn't seem like there's going to pursue all these men trying to do with it but i don't see the   the interest can be used by the fire department for fire department purposes as ours i'm interpreter and the rest goes into a trust what is the trust like i mean i don't know what this  ellis rivers said that when when she signed the freeman with the fire department that she got to live in the house as long as she was alive and then when she was gone then they could do it what they wanted with the land and the property  and then from that money that was back from the sale the the principal would go into a real trust i mean we're talking you missed the news of a line kind of thing the you know the gold standard her thing and then the interest from that would be used to whatever the fire department wanted to do i mean that's what her or her goal was what happens to that trust the fire department has done away with made money on that plan do we not pay them sixty percent or is it forever ceased to be a lot i'm sorry i don't need any more answers there seems to be a lot of holes of this it seems to be tied to someone to know but i have never heard i'm sorry i'm going to tell you i have never heard anything good about the relationship with the fire department and why would i ever hope myself and i've heard other people what i would if i had somebody contract to my house and i heard the things that i hear about the fire but they wouldn't even look at my house i don't understand them and then so the point of their big points brought up go to the bank well i can guarantee you that you're not going to get it for that price not fire department if you go to the bank because they're looking out not just the one point two four whatever it is million they're looking at the u n for us looking at the sixty percent because they look at israel they are they're looking at twenty years you know maybe i can get ten percent more they're not going to from it yes but at that point when that does a zero for the town and this was the goal of the process was just here for the community the opportunity to decide what happens with the land if the community came together and said you know what we don't want anything to happen with this land and we're willing to pay for as a community and they voted on that and that's how it would go if the community said no we don't want to pay that much you know we want to offset you know it would be ok as long as we keep the gateway open we can that it's a rush decision with too much risk that we don't have answers so if they're not willing to give us the mark then put it on the ballot and let the time the the tunnel voted down but i think it's a matter of you know you and i would  from the you know the feelings in the community that i've heard if it goes on in november it probably will go down in defeat my guess on me i'll buy you a beer if i'm wrong but when that's all done if if they want to say you know you can have  much more accessible and the fire department now ready to go and more detail right so that the fire department has to present their budget to the actual town meeting and people can talk about it and people giuliani i mean he made sure that everything was and good its goal is not was to give the town a voice in development and not necessarily for this particular one it was really an idea for another parcel  that we created it so in case we needed it to not take up staff time if people voted to go ahead you know decided that we should have a developer we're going to make sure it's the right developer it's the right process and the c d c could  sold that house you know private you know private home too but i also want to point out individual that what they're discussing right now is the possible ballot as it's worded here which says nothing about subdividing selling it says nothing can't judge someone else i don't want to purchase a property i don't want the time to purchase the property i now plan to disassociate from that group unfortunately even though i think its original intent was very clear some other folks came into our gro high i just want to be very clear that there are i mean we've heard people all sometimes and they have now left because they're done that this is not a good deal why are we dislike words we do have some conflict mike said that and that is correct litters has to do with truck deals it has to do with budgets it has to do with land it has to do with issues you know legal issues and budget issues mostly but we as people should not have problems with our neighbors who are volunteering at the fire department so what what i want what i was wondering is you know the fluck board saying no we're not doing more and that's the susan good enough is one thing but putting this on the ballot and having the town say no we don't want this deal this is not a good deal is a different is a different thing and so it's need not feel confident in myself let's work that you're willing to let such that she wanted and what he told in the meeting was disturbing that they have no need for additional mind they're not you know they're not just getting by i thought they might feel like missing rescues because the trucks were breaking down and that there was some need to walk all over which is there isn't so whether we do it as a town or if the fire department could just respect her wishes directly that would have been the best a little i was trying to do was raise the town awareness that that w land open that's what she wanted that led to this room and everywhere we can really debate it and really clark said it himself she wanted that land open but he also said she only had one vote on a committee i don't understand i don't understand the justification for not doing i mean this is a community member should give it to them as a gift they have no real need for the money i just got to maximize profit but now when we walk alone over each other as a community so i don't know why we have to do that i just don't get it it doesn't make any sense to me and that hit me that this is someone that we pay taxes to and he's making this decision to walk all over one of our community members like she didn't even exist and it upset me so much fire started this a lot of people obviously feel the same way we tried to talk to the f much more i asked a lot of questions about the activities that our taxes are used for and i've gotten no response i have respect that i agree that they you know that we haven't you know the reverse property is a symptom of a larger disease and you are tempted to treat a single symptom and when you're now seeing has the disease is still  but you have to live with the consequences of that i mean that we you know that's fine and but the only thing we thought that the community wanted to have more discussion with what the property was then you would many that leave open space i mean that we can count on that right now that we see this change unless they get appealed in the next thirty days or something like that but i mean so that helps keep more open space with the  next meeting yes i mean we're just going to keep having meetings but you know i mean because they're clearly there's a lot of questions that we have to resolve i mean i mean you know maybe we has a lot of details a lot of passion and a lot of have i mean i'm skeptical but you know i'm i'm not i'm skeptical but you know had these discussions with him there are times when that makes sense and you know he's knowledgeable about these things so it's unfortunate that well you know way it's fortunate that we're here i mean i'm glad that we're hearing from you but it's unfortunate that he can't he can't give you the flip side where he can passionately you know defend this this this this tracy's right i just wanted to say first off i know i was a part of the early group so i don't have to spend emotional commitment to all that happens and that leads into my concerned about this proper land have done exactly what our democracy is supposed to do is allow us to tell you this conversation i would say to the select members like we're members tonight that this is a bad deal for th town and i would suggest to you not to put it on the ballot in november because when it goes on the ballot as others have said it does to me make me think someone out someone believes this is this is a good deal it myself but i don't really necessarily if i have a lot of skepticism about whether or not this is good for the entire town do i still want to get i want feedback i mean i that way i'm glad that we put it for here for us to talk about it and i don't regret voting as we said as you clearly said i don't see why you wouldn't you know agreed to this i'm glad we did because it was all in executive session before and it was getting it was going on and on and every discussion that we had as a slab or that was very tight and you know there's very loud you know of good people and on the on the board and then and i'm one of those people but on this particular issue i'm not so pretty media because i don't have so much experience so you know i need i need that i mean the town's input and i'm really glad it's out here and you know i struggled with i mean one m know i mean if you say if you say no don't put this to the public then why don't just drop it or go back yes drop it altogether or do you want do you want the towns to continue i mean how up actually good at the meetings i was at and the two really big of the there were a lot of people who said well there's only way for you three thousand dollars an ear that they're going to earn interest and we should do it i mean that's where that came out because there were people who had said when you ever spy statute if we're buying a capital asset which is lady and never we must bring that with belong to her financing statute says we must bring it to the taxpayer so put this on the ballot say yes or no that isn't necessarily an indication of do we want you to buy it or don't know why or why it's an indication of this deal and so one of the things that i suggested is that if there is a ballot in november and should be do you government entity should be involved in trying to purchase the land from the fire department and then be it you know if you were to purchase it would it be with this agreement or what have you with that because you need to get it understanding up to folks want this town involved first before you can say how do you feel about this agreement because there are certainly some people who would support trying to figure out how to get the right we're trying to separate the business from the person and it's sometimes difficult to do what's right but there is you know and then you'd be the last one then ok let me just say i have no problem with them selling it and doing what they legally can here and this is something that she i learned about her sitting there about two or three months before her death and she was remarkable and he asked her wishes were wishes should be the way it should be but mostly about she had no children she her father she was her father was a professor i think and their father who got her into a call is that actually  was only for men not women and she was one of the first women woman that was brought into the school and that's where she got her education and one of the stars of our v m actually knew her  know it was never clear whether of course mike said his goal was to keep the whole property clear we know that there are those we know that one you know other people want to keep the gateway clear but i think in terms of where we are in the process it's not ready i mean i think we've heard that if this deal is the one coming forward it's not going to pass which i mean i mean  i think you know it was certainly the worst outcome though no it isn't because that is a clear message and that's why i'm that's why that's why i was conflicted it's not because that's not necessarily you know the worst outcome if the voter voters clearly say i mean it's unfortunate obviously obviously you know they're going to change you know putting at the same thing in march or is it you know are they going to go back and talk different things between now and ours is it is is it over because we're going against the wishes of the fire department i mean that's but it's probably not over but definitely you definitely would we would have to really have to answer some of these questions and absolutely yes i am me i wouldn't just take why we're not voting tonight obviously because of there needs to be more education what we've heard from the public i mean what we hear from other people in the public eye i don't know  but i think tracy represents the group that goes wait a minute you know they're not connected to the previous property but they go but this impacts my taxes yeah what do you think about you know  special meeting like sorry morning or something can we call a special meeting to to to vote on the wording of an advisory question and we have to do that tonight what's the time timeframe i thought could do it tonight you have a need to know the wording tonight to make the ballot because she's going to tell them first thing tomorrow morning whether to put a little or i mean what you can also do but that's what you could do i think if i think it could you just survey say you know if the town interested you know would you support by and you have to do if you wanted to avoid that then you could you would be a hand count on the several ballot so you wouldn't have to worry about making a deadline oh i hand i'd hate to make them do a hand count wait we're talking about we're talking about putting this on the november fourth they should have it to the printer tomorrow to go through the machine know but i think well you actually can help at the polls even if you're not a member of the b c you get ten dollars an hour board really what it would be is pursue a purchase and sells agreement with the fire department for all or portions of the rivers property think part of what happened is there was a lot of steam and it went right here she mentions before there was any are opportunity for those negotiating on the townsville route i think really get a hold of what talent i have i think that's what happened but is on the council park now so no no no but we did we were we didn't have anything by town meeting and there was another there was like another negotiation for more time to negotiate but you know but you know that what she's talking about is this current year it was their fault we were ready and in july we posted on the town website we wanted to make it public then to start to talk discussion and they were the wrong language voted on totally different language and so we couldn't really talk about this process because it wasn't the same words all right here we got that that meant that was the real me that there needs to be some sort of language here that says that this is about this is about disk even pursuing it clarify that this does not actually authorize the town or any of its agents to you know purchased anything how can we say that i would think they would be best and then from the information material to go with it wise it's going to be too hard yeah ready yeah don't read too many words when it's  because maybe there's a solution that does everybody doesn't require a ton of wide you know australian ballot bowl it could just be appropriation that in the end will budget i think you want to ask should we pursue buying the property or parts of it because if they say no then you can start where you can work on other right actions so we really have to have that language in there i agree i mean because that really is the question remark land trust that was a bland trust from the southern part of the state that morphed into the vermont land trust who came in talked to them i have shared emerson's all his notes from being on that committee and like mr kramer said there was a lot of discussion to keep it open but there was also a lot of discussion on development but by the time they got to the agreement that she signed there was no protection that said it needed to be kept open it was sheets you know i had talked to her myself and she had also talked to the fire department and she you know when she said she said we just can't deal with that kind of dollars that he's talking about but if the town was moving in that direction and was able to do things to keep one need to keep it open then the land trust you know was willing to stick you know said that they were they could be to figure sherry were they well i mean we can all rally behind the amtrak if they could or they could you know be the like with the tire place where some developer you know when the developer came in and made the cookies and isn't worth knowing that that it seems way better yes because we're giving them more interest than they would get off a trust but that's why gives us flexibility they gave us lacks the ability to hire so yes it's a lot of flexibility we don't have to worry about selling it right away or developing but with their idea with anyone whether they sell to the town or to an outside developer the principal has to go to the river's trust and they only can use the interest from that trust to investigate changing zoning in that area to reflect the town plan because i believe the town plan does talk about that wanting to keep open spaces in the gateway and i believe that would be conformance with our town did the rural residential it was eight hundred feet from ground straight physically draw a line and everything that was eight hundred feet off the ground strays became a residential it was arbitrary doubt about his back when they did this and i think it was in the sevent you get it it's way back to go back to the seventy's they weren't worried about sprawl so they were basically just thinking about you know a lot size and how many lives you can go back and then we've seen variations is a kind of profit power evaluation people have asked for changes to and national rates and we talk about gateway's and that's why i think it would be perfectly within the realm of possibility that the mission put forward working on this and do it very quickly in terms of putting forth regulations to change the zoning either to agriculture or to something else to open space or something mean so as much as we'd like to do something quickly they're not going to be able to do that quickly i mean they have tried to do some of the real root residential to protect the open space they've been crees that let's try and be proactive oh yeah change farm and things like that and we will continue to discuss the issue at forthcoming select board meetings but there will not be a special hearing because it's not a binding ballot  but you can expect this topic to be in every select board meeting that people want to talk about it well i mean it's important because we you know went down a track that we thought was the right way and different people have different visions of what they want and you know all we could taxpayers now up to the fire department because we're not putting a valid item on there explain anything currently it should be anything that currently exists to be clear and then on line sixty two we're dealing with traffic and it says he asked if we could provide traffic control and it says and what happens at harvest market to be careful perfect control like what happened to her bismarck or because and doesn't make any i think the question w and after ok do we provide traffic control and strike no i think he was talking no because he wanted because we're talking about motor vehicle control at the pump can blow and says can we provide things like cars harvest market provides a subtle but about  require us to specifically say why we're going into executive session you've always you've always had to have minutes available within five days of a meeting they've added some kind of staff in the penalties so to speak but the biggest thing was that if you maintain a website then you need to post stuff there not just  yeah and i could be even real outrageous and say i'm selling off the kids glass plainly promote your credible several years ago i picked up some of your big sale items you know and they were like the best teacher gifts ever for they were so thrilled that teacher so