going to call the regular council meeting of mine day february twenty second two thousand and sixteen to order we have a roll call this is merrill i believe that there's a late agenda item that deals with a recognition by the federal bureau of investigation and you have to if you would like to come forward a good evening it's nice to be with you again and i appreciate the opportunity to recognize another member of the peters township police department captain michael janacek on the occasion of his retirement from the service after thirty three years with the  department as you may recall my name is patrick mclennan and i'm the supervisor of the f b i office the covers washington county the last time we were together i gave you a brief overview of the mission of the f b i national academy tonight i won't repeat those remarks but i will tell you that the academy is very selective and attendance is by invitation only a brief history of the academy began july twenty ninth one thousand thirty five it was created in response to a nine hundred thirty study by the worker sham commission that recommended that the standardization and professionalism of law enforcement departments across the united states through centralized training with strong support from the international association of chiefs of police and with the authority of congress and the department of justice the f b i police training school was born it's only a nasty rumor the matters with the captain and he has always been a strong partner with our office on one particular incident and f b i agents car was broken into overnight while parked in his driveway not me i don't take in which should not be in the hands of criminals no weapons but documents department and accommodated at least fifty f b i agents who responded to that incident he provided invaluable assistance into the identities of the usual suspects and likely perpetrators of the crime and provided manpower as needed the case was resolved in less than twenty four hours and other victims were located in the neighborhood and some of their items were returned captain he also maintained a directory of sorts of all federal agents other law enforcement officers and peters township i don't know if he did this devoid of possible blue on blue encounter or is just keep an eye on all of us either way i appreciate it with great pleasure i present a certificate from the director of the captain and check which i'd like to read into the record us department of justice federal bureau of investigation is proud to recognize captain michael janacek of the peters township police department for many years of the stinkier service and law enforcement and yourself with efforts to protect and serve the american public you have always recognized that a key to combating crime is unstinting cooperation among law enforcement agencies at all levels of government the f b i and american people have been the beneficiaries of your professionalism and dedication to duty and we congratulate you on a remarkable career it's signed james becoming director f b i congratulations and those that i work with the planning commission the engineers and the other departments that are represented here tonight the fire department ambulance service public works it's a great place to work it must be a great place to live because the other departments all work together to one hand making it a great place to live thank you very much  yes the next matter i would like to bring up is that i notice that we have a boy scout in the audience would you like to come up to the podium and tell us your name and trooper with and i assume you're working on some sort of a ba transcript of the public hearing held on november thirtieth two thousand and fifteen i move that we approve the transcript for the two thousand and sixteen budget public hearing as presented  to weave a motion in a sack it does or any further discussion just one edition under correspondence number seven i'd like them to include the idea that i did ask whether or not we were going to apply for another grant when we were not approved for the ampitheater and i just want that in so that we can follow up on that when the grain comes back in that ok with you as to procedures that were fine with me ok then all in favor of the comments this is a period of time up to five minutes for any member of the audience to address council in connection with a non agenda items that has to be something that's not on the agenda is there anyone in the audience that would like to speak to an on agenda item ok saying no but no one raising their hand will move on  unfinished business which i assume there is non will move on to new business the first item on a new business is an authorization to pursue acquisition of the rolling hills country club property before we begin this discussion i will let council know i will not be voting on this because one of my partners give it can scott does some work for one of the perspective developers of is presentation are just real briefly council is aware we had a discussion of this that the joint school district school board council workshop an executive session there was a letter that was sent out to rolling hills jointly signed by myself and dr friends from the school district indicating that the township the school district have interest in this would like to meet with  owners of rolling hills and that we anticipated that there would be action taken on both boards parts to authorize formally authorize us to pursue acquisition and that's why this is on the agenda tonight the school board dealt with this at their meeting last monday and authorized their staff to participate and so this is just to participate in like informal discussions with  whatever we eventually deem would be appropriate where there's several projects that we would gradually like hers he does school district obviously is looking to acquire the land to perhaps build a school but i'm just asking council what they think possible projects are working sure to who would be in short term it would be to explore it would probably be more in recreational facilities we already own twenty twenty some a cruise might go on the other side rolling hills out to the trail so we will be having access from that piece of property to to the to the trail so to be able to extend our our walking on sorry because i was unsure about this i spoke to mike about this in the past i seem to remember a general survey going on prior to the rec center be a belt did we vote one round of questions that were out and we had about a fifty percent response rate and basically the response was split down and we have a list of people that were opposed was that the pulls overwhelmingly declined in that survey so i don't know how we got to that point i'm a private enterprise person i think that there are people that have businesses  that happens maybe we can work with that but i am not in the habit of purchasing things of this nature and then having employees be on the public payroll i mean where does it stop comprehensive plan went through the show rats with people looking at different options went through the idea that you know we have a limited amount of property right now and if we wanted to develop additional recreational amenities where would we is there was some convert some conversation between the school district and the township about partnering because governmental projects tend to have better opportunity for funding so there was some conversation about that at our last joint meeting and then when this issue came up with rolling hills with the idea of potentially property that was not prior not available prior to this that's why the conversation turned to one maybe this would make sense for both the school district and the so we're looking right now at whether or not we can have a conversation about what where maybe a private enterprise could run or maybe mr piatt is part of this presentation with you'll see i heard the term eminent domain years on this whole boards concerts may talk about part of his complex for you know retirement koblenz the numbers being bigger in the dark we're going to add a hundred students per grade level now we've got to build a new school does anybody was or even a player presented on how many homes what the local impact no that's all so it's all speculation so i like what i heard you say earlier today talking about working with these bones that's what i would hope for what i would like a private enterprise not a public payroll taking tax dollars away and hurting local businesses and reduce bills my brother  school board ended chip for trying to acquire this property we're finally starting to she down the road where we have to be when i go down to the township officers small offices if people have to work in which it's not right we're a great township and we're grown and grown and grown and that's the greatest thing in a world that you could do right now for this township to acquire that property and look down the road and put all our activities together we could put our police department or we could put all our administrators officers over there plus all of the schools and all the recreation area i want to say if you don't take that property over shame on us it belongs to the and i say gentlemen ladies and gentlemen let's get this property in the townships business where they own it and we look down the road and expand and  and that's the place to do it we don't need any more houses we've got lots of million dollar homes right now all you have to do is drive around a township we don't need any more houses and we don't need any more traffic on that road i live on that road do it get it s like what the golf course how it's being like some people say that they want like offices or something and they're like i like as  suggestion maybe or something about like recreational area i know that there's a park there's not too many golf courses and there's people who like sports like keeping the golf course there's a recreational area could anyone else anything else from council he questions comments i'll make a motion we authorize touchup staff and legal consultants to pursue discussions with and or without the school district to purchase all or portion the rolling hills probably the most as you're so good second company for subsurface drilling under township property from the proposed well on lutes road in nottingham township yes council as you know some time it's in a position at least that we felt that the council needs to review it and determine whether or not you know we're on the right track to finalize  production company a resident of the city of pittsburgh shaun donovan also lay man with e t production company i guess where to start we now know that you all have a copy of the oil and gas lease that we are in the process of negotiating peter's township we are under the understanding that you received this lease on friday and we are here to answer any questions that you might have that we properties that are within this pretty big unit we have sixty five percent of your residents least and we've not met any opposition as of today it's kind of people are busy so it's getting in their houses and talking to them said no we actually haven't personally i've had no one thing known to me it's they're either busy for we haven't even up on their or yet in this case in particular we were kind of trying to feel out how much success we would have with peter's township before fought against and i wouldn't personally do it i think that we're selling our integrity and i won't sell my integrity there's at least one no vote i don't want it and i've got some other questions you're saying that this is seven or eight hundred feet from from peter's township and i think that the residents of peter's township certainly have every right to want to know how how you're going to be protecting them from seven or eight hundred feet and maybe that's a magic distance maybe a thousand feet maybe fifteen hundred feet but i think that we would certainly have a right to ask what kind of air monitoring what kind of water monitoring what cash oil monitoring what kind of if the well starts up in nottingham and the drilling horizontal drilling of curves well the gas on those properties be taken almost certainly because as we all know gas is a natural component is technology to see if you can prove it if you can prove it what they want you to flow from that but here in the bigger question would be i think it would propose wells twenty twenty three right right now we have general twenty four wells it's not not only the gas prices but just the leasing acquisition and everything involved in drilling as was so that's not going to happen but it is for as how many wells are going to be drilled in the next few years it's tough to really speculate on a question of you know how long this activity will be how long people be affected and are we part of the catalyst for them being factored in terms of leasing one one side we have the ability to make additional protections in this lease that we don't have tents at least a portion of the town gas that me otherwise not the access to the township so all of these are things that we talk e q t bar for quite some time we bring to the board for you to at least deliberate about and think about the factors that go into this lease well from my perspective there is no better way for to happen in this town than for it to happen this way we reap the benefits the bonus payment in the royalties and we don't have the burden on our roads and what not now agree with mr balls certainly i think we should have some input into making sure that the environmental aspects are properly addressed because even though it's not in our knowledge of the residents living on that border there will have to deal with the noise and the dust and everything else that comes with that operation but i think from a financial standpoint this magazine it's quite a windfall for the township because obviously there's going to be some risks inherent with it i just think the money on the table is too good for us to pass terms of their offering because i mean i've i've negotiated with the cutie and i've had one land men come back and say absolutely not will never will never give you that provision and yet i'm looking at each lease they said my other one  landowners down there may not even though they were talking about this tonight because that's something that's in a different township that they never even had any and put it in this probably in the in the first instance so i mean i wouldn't want to just if we're going to proceed i would want to then just go to some regular council meeting i would think that we should have a public hearing and get imported from the move forward with that and then if there are what would be considered substantial changes to the proposed lease it's possible that there could be additional terms have changed such as the proposed monetary payment  one seven how many people knew about this maybe hardly any and so i do think a public hearings in order you know as far as these units where they draw these units you can't be sure you're going to be on all twenty four wells they could use if they can run three or four horizontals indicators and you're in that unit and you're getting a piece the other by now i don't think they could run a horizontal right on your property unless it was leased the right to capture something there for you know whatever they can get in from the sides ok so in my prepared comments most of your act thirteen good karma would be replaced planned to be the largest well pad in pennsylvania if council sons asleep she will help guarantee that fact he cuties well aware of the nuisance they're drilling or fracking creates as witnessed by the fifty thousand dollars hush agreements they offered to a dozen or so residents wrote next to e q teas tracks form site copies of the public copies for the public meeting record are being provided one paragraph in that nuisance easement says it best grant tours hereby convey to grantee a permanent non exclusive easement and right away over and above grant words property for the noise dust light smoke odors fumes soot and other air pollution vibrations adverse impacts or other conditions or nuisances which may emanate were be caused by the grantees operation look at the bigger leasing and drilling picture also consider how many years the us there are reports of property values declining when fracking comes to town some mortgage lenders will not mortgage properties close to drilling and  earthquakes have now been linked to both waste water injection and fracking earthquakes gas well casings fail over five percent fail immediately and half fail within the next thirty years this creates both a groundwater risk and a considerable methane contribution to greenhouse gases a twenty newspaper story points to another problem that's a very near the highest number of abandoned wells in the appalachian region and is one of the top five states nationally d p has documented more than eight thousand six hundred wells throughout the state that were abandoned prior to passage of modern oil and gas drilling regulations since the first commercial oil wells drilled pennsylvania and hundred fifty nine d p s mates makes three hundred fifty thousand oil and gas wells have been drilled in the state with many of those having been abandoned without proper plugging these old wells provide perfect conduits to the surface when new wells are frac that eight thousand to fifteen thousand people saw it happen in hickory and it can happen here excessive trash truck traffic over twenty four thousand truck trips for this l pad contribute greatly to air pollution and problems for as maddox spills near fracking are far too common and fines don't fix things ok no getting to peter starship ordinance open space or one single family developments section d as in delta such areas shall be environmentally hazard free so i don't think fracking they did not have a permit under the proper permit under seven chapter seventy eight because the liner was torn a punctured pit leaked and overflowed causing tens of thousands of gallons flowed back to leach into groundwater and spill on and protect where pollutants destroyed stock quality surface waters finally the townships so little responsibility to protect the health safety and welfare of the residents to sign a lease for drilling any other heavy industrial activity on or underneath roadways in parks where children play or near homes is not consistent with the townships obligation in that regard the  it is or express purpose to establish an open government with the necessary flexibility to provide for orderly development of this community and protect the physical environment that we share finally  that peter's township has the opportunity to get a lease with the cutie i wish that they would and i think that all the residents of peter's township will benefit others from it and because they're going to take to get the gas anyway i just want to make a couple comments of how a landowner like me views this at the same time that you're here discussing leasing with  you have a law that your township solicitor has written that eliminates the mineral extraction district method right here it's on got it from your website from essentially meaning it is going to ban drilling from peter's township it's already written it was written a long time ago i try to find out when that was on it's been been sitting there for i think a year maybe more ok and that law that you wrote i want to tell you what that has already done not going to do already done to my family this is a lease with  that we had and nearly completed and nearly got the money for it was a very good lease it was a lot of money just like it's going to make for the p d this one will make for the people in peter's township this is the letter i also have the letter from me cutie stating that they doubt with not least with us the reason they backed out is because peter's township has this law  naturally they're not going to lease with me when peter so much of has a law on the books ready to be passed that says they're basically going to ban drilling in peter's township so it's a little frustrating for me to sit here and hear you discuss how you were going to get money for peter possibly possibly of and decide if possibly going to get money for peter's township in going to lease your land when you have already destroyed my possibility of getting that it's very frustrating for me and i think it's wrong as i said i you know i don't have i hope  my lease was a no service lease i wasn't going to have a pat on my form as and but there was areas that would my property can't be reached by that what you're talking about here so i lose in this i have a feeling that there's quite a few attorneys if you pass i hope you keep that in mind when you're when you're going to when you're going to get to this i don't know what the what the holdup is or what when you are going to pass something or figure something out hard to turn down that money i agree with mr kozar that it's not a perfect world you can't always get exactly what you want but i don't think you'd be wise from you know your responsibility so i'm looking at you know here we have it and they're there willing to africa a lot of money that can be used for public projects like the rolling hills golf course which you know is right across from where i live and i'm interested in what's going to happen there and i'm glad to see this not to be another housing development but and that's going to be used instead of our tax dollars that's the bonus plus the royalties down the road and i you know i'm were there they're getting a lot of right now and the township sitting lotto and this isn't happening all over right now this is like a really unusual circumstance and i wish that something could also be done from mr simmons and his property because it's happening everywhere this is such an economic boom for our region we're so lucky and fortunate in so many ways that we shouldn't just turn it down and so i just want to say that as a resident twenty years and at my first council meeting i support this road i hope to live here for fifty years but i haven't yet and i wanted to let you know about myself as a resource i actually am the director of a public health project in mcmurtrie on environmental health issues related to natural gas drilling significant air pollution the tower hill elementary school will be directly in the path of some of that may or may not travel in that direction i understand more than you would ever want to know about air pollution toxic human health and gas drilling i just want you to know that i live here that i have those resources that i know how to monitor for this that i understand all the research on human health i've been consulting with people all around the world on this issue i just so happen to live in peter's township it's not an accident that i live in peter's township i live in peter's town too because i think peter's township has a relatively sane approach it's very important for me however to live in washington county because of my work it pains me to think that my children may be exposed to this but this is washington county this is the world we live in nottingham township is nottingham township peter's township is peter stone chip the value of my children's lives may not be seven hundred thousand dollars to members of the council means a lot to me so i just want to know and a resource i can inform you about children's health i can afford you about the environment i can inform you about what power hill elementary and my children hearing stuff about like like me or housing and with the people in the housing area like if drawings and causing significant noise and like it can it could possibly verbatim i'm moving then we instruct to the bitter sonship to continue to finalize work to finalize a final lease with all the input from us changes that we might want to make  that you hear the lotion providing that they notify the residence in the surrounding area of their intention hearing on all three were say i say nay it's like it's seven zero the next item would be a resolution to include the goldfish swim club at six study on old washington road yes we do receive petitions and we do trap accounts and verified that it does qualify based on speeds and to the next step under  we already know that it's going to tell us where to put something and as far as i know there aren't any other side streets to put stop signs along in that order anyone think they all have stop signs or the outcome of the recommendations may not be approved because we're getting to the point where mr ball is right i mean we spend all this money and we either come up with something they propose a twenty thousand dollars or solution who are we stick in speed homes and well the other thing you have to do or i think we have to do is take a harder look at developments so that they're building in traffic calming why i think that's ok because right now i'm not so sure i'm not so sure because right now i think that we're not as aggressive as we could be on that i mean i think well i agree with monica's thing i need to be not interrupt you monica i think we need to be more aggressive in terms of what we require the developers to do outside of the neighborhoods they're developing i think that's a place where world little bit lax at this point i think we're focusing more on the traffic calming in the new developments as opposed to the streets and into which the traffic in th would advocate for more of the middle of the road sort of divergent circles where people have to slow down the ones they are putting in their two feet wide don't make anybody slow down i mean and more internet access search ability because as part of the move what happens is the code will be our wardens who it will be the orders we will follow and then there are areas in the code that we're kiri we're proposing to do that at the meeting on the fourteenth of march we also have copies of the postcode for anybody to take with them so everybody ok with that date yes yes tours or anything of interest in the reports that you want to discuss are there any council member wants to discuss i had a question for mr some ideas in your report you indicated that there's potentially one came on or of those projects that we needed to address i'm sure we can always amend the mine the budget and provide for additional funding   without charging costs and pretty much the same material that we were collecting before we're proposing to proceed with an agreement with j b s but we would like to change our  process because it is getting a little daunting with the volume and people coming in and all the time so we want to create a specific hours in and also some certain certain weekends in the year with people can come in on a saturday hing that they would like to place on the next one of these of that in the process of working that that when we dispose of the architect is that you should know that if this room was to be designed they could not be designed the way it is because the scene for staff in the elevation at some point in the future you will be required to have a twelve foot radius in this room the bride access to that location and access these evil occasions and to give you an idea what it means is it's a room that extends back and so one of the things that we would like to give consideration to doing is sending that your elevation and lowering this platform so that in fact either now address the eighty eight question or at some time in whether you want to do that or not because i think they're actually use an advantage to having some elevation of the it makes it easier for people to see and they're saying the great shame was is there any issue about the fact that that back door is a set of steps and there's no handicap