of the corpus or the cases involved in those instances would show that those are primarily matters of quantum era with or where fees are being assigned to a third party i would like to address them nonetheless lawyer skill or expertise is lacking or insufficient in this case the attorney had appeared in numerous hearings before the trial judge has submitted voluminous documents in the course of his twelve month representation the trial judge had ample demonstration of the attorneys feel no time with it either stated or inferred either by the court by my client or any other party that counsels representation with substandard in addition this attorney had previously responsibility involved in management of the case these factors strongest were also well known by the trial judge he presided over this case for two years and i personally cannot think of anything more presumptuous than attorney telling a trial judge who had been costing her and not and let me back up i would be i believe that the court has to respect the client's right contract signed contract controls the agreement only if there is no written excuse me only if there is no written contract or fees or slot from another expert testimony is required regarding customary fees even if in this case there wasn't a written agreement customary fee to be addressed counsel i'm not sure forgive me i'm not sure if you answered my question about  court certainly has white discretion in this matter i'm not arguing that but as a course of also held that that discretion is not come down and to deny costs in particular in fees which were not found either later in that same hearing it was said he had to you or his brief that he had to start at the one yard line or ten yard line not that not the fifteen or thirty years it can't be both ways just either nothing was i either  question to me not to waste any matter were guarding either of those seven factors for the engagement agreement or whether the amount was necessary the one that was excessive whether the area mr ray when it was time to try this case when it came down to trial presentation mr ray and off the record discussion with once that was presented to mr a five judge drama mr ray backed off he said good gum and said if you want this let's put it on the record let's get mr shearing over here ray and i don't know anything about that i wasn't there i'm not going to comment on the bottom line here is that he is now saying i received it was glossed over in his in his  in his argument even told you i was asked a question it's like i'm not paid anything i want all way from springfield to punch illinois i didn't get paid anything he got paid nine thousand six hundred and sixty two dollars  preparing the case for the someone made it clear i believe that you didn't do the work that you did compare this case just because you submit the bell doesn't mean bad and in the shin case doesn't mean that you are first of all able to do that unnecessary i didn't argue it you asked me to push and i didn't argue i started to say before the judge turner asked me this question that you may ask five people how to get to this courthouse from apple they may give you ten different but i don't know and i certainly don't concede for the purpose of argument oh well for the purpose of the law for the favor we will or necessary and in fact i think that if you look at the belly that he submitted the cost involved  i did not have the assets necessary that i felt were necessary to give proper representation on a continuing basis to my client given the complexities of this case of losing my her legal ones losing  online legal research i felt that i couldn't provide her with the with the i think representation she deserved in such a complex case and to not have attempted to withdraw a file the motion to withdraw i believe would be against the ethical rules of the state if i believe i cannot afford her the representation which is necessary for her