anything of my request this is as i wrote in a letter to you a couple of months ago this is something that was taken care of in less than ten minutes by carolyn gregson about nine years ago when i asked her just walked into to me coffee she did i cannot figure out why i did not getting the public records request satisfied it's totally clear don't understand the request that you have deleted but it's not you are so you can't give it to me that the data is available can see what kerry sees when she makes a map and i want to see all the maps and she's made two and this is a very simple request to satisfy and it should be a zero dollar  to takes no effort to counterpart to provide a copy of this and i've been over not the issue so i go back to the reason that kerry originally gave me for not getting that information right away which is that town was reluctant to hand it out and so that comes back  to public officials here why is it that the town is not satisfying this public records requests ok so it's almost all of a five minute don't save a lot of those things when you're in the g i s world and you want to do something quickly do a query or do a math show a presentation you don't necessarily always save and i know she doesn't she prints out  maps and things for individual people that come in we don't save all our shot we have she said but hold on here let's see so we've we've she's given you she did told me she had given  layer there for a song a current song i want what i guess what i'd like to see for myself what she's given him i would like you to give me the desk that she's given you know so i can examine now i was you want to keep we're just going to keep zoning parcel zoning that's about it everything else and everything else you see the road layer is ours colored layer is ours everything else you see comes from d c you're not going to be secure i realize to is to pursue the court because i don't know what else to do to satisfy your requests i mean we've asked you to be a little bit more specific you say everything well you know what is everything you want to email do you want her individually step by step through with through all the things i want to have but it's i don't know what's ok but i would like the full the whole system ok i should be able to recreate the maps the ones that have been in such contention recently ok i should be able to recreate those myself and i should be able to share that information with the pretty else in town they were else who wants to use circular and see what pursue the legal aspect of it i would encourage you to do that because i feel we've been trying to about accommodate to you did not respond to the letter it's almost two months now we have a letter here i don't done anything remotely related always been in the public sector basically done criminal work has occurred a prosecutor in brooklyn for eleven years ended up in the management and rather than the trial and  i have time there for another bit of time and then went to the attorney general's office and that consumer systems program faced you v m again half time mediating consumer complaints letter mediation and then in two thousand and nine that i've done and i love learning new systems so i think i think i would be a fairly quick study and i think i would really enjoy it and the word seems to be made up of some very intelligent interesting people he totally understood where he's coming from or where i was coming from tried to see if there's some easy way that we can just you know make a determination on th look and make sure that since ninety nine that we didn't make any specific changes to the map itself so if i go through the warnings town meeting make sure that the map was not involved in i don't know i mean well we have to we are ready you know so you have the radio you have to be defensible you know i work i think this board is we we want to do the best we can for it but we also have to make sure we're following o don't want to cut you short but i know exactly what you're we all think i know where you want to go so so i'm not asking you i just need i've met with the attorney i did what i said i was going to do have found out more information i need to do this last little step  will come to a conclusion my next life toward me so is it going to be a positive conclusion i can tell you i'm hoping it is yeah hoping this so because i think this week we've made up my mind but i need to also i need to listen to trying to find a way to develop technique to deal with a mistake yeah because it took terrible our chip on whoever i thought you know i really thought well also i don't want to stand on this right now let's go to the one that stapled together for this is an outline of requirements and specifications for the exterior renovation work on the town hall building the first thirteen items are just general specifications or requirements relating to the work in general and then the next sections are specific requirements by specific building facade and then they're listed main building the north side main building east side front and so forth and then these sketches like this would go back and hotlines to just show the people where the numbers one through seven are located on the building various not to scale but it's a loss to so that if you go through to the second page is just continuing clockwise around the whole building until you come back around to the western side of the main building and there are things like flashing clapboards windows point towards what i call water table boards or bottom freeze boards there's all kinds of things on different faces of the building that that work then when you get to the third page of this staple documents talk about replacement windows specifications so this window here he's replacing this is the first one listed this main building the side behind the addition so we'd be talking about certain room opening size we're asking the contractor to verify it before you orders any windows we'd spec of rear addition on the south side would be that bad addition in the back and so there are thirty six by thirty six on in window in the boiler room planning on blocking off and eliminating that window behind the fault which is the window to nowhere right make that a wall now your and then last one would be the two upper windows in ramona's office and those would be marvin integrity double homes like what you have in the new addition here  and then those three windows over there are in tough shape so that would be the same type of windows this then the tricky part is the main building up above the large windows in the main hall repair and paint the existing historic windows the second option new combination of storms take off the existing ones put on a new white aluminum arson combination storm windows which well these ones are probably still functional but they're pretty old so for about twenty one hundred dollars you could put on newsday new storm screen combination similar to what's there and then repaired the existing single ho historic windows third option new interior vinyl replacement windows now the windows up in this building up above the walls are thick the window cavities are deep on the inside and so there's room in there to put in a new thermal double on window and put it in with stops so that it fits in the interior opening above the sill and inside the well would be the jams but inside the wal cavity that contains the window when you get a thermal benefit of a good window you'd be able to open that window you'd be able to reach through an open the outer window this stork window and then for a screen you'd need an expandable screen that could be placed below the the race sash of the of the exterior historic window because if you leave the screen on the vinyl replacement window and you can't get through the screen open the outer window so that's a twenty one hundred dollars option but the windows are vinyl i went to the parker sterns and looked at them they're not bad looking with their old weight window and if you look at them closely you can see that they're buying a same deal but with marvelous and because of the large windows are so large they have to go to a line called the magnum line and for those five windows twelve thousand two hundred fifty dollars and then you could go to the mar ultimate window which was a less expensive version of the marvin window for the four front windows because they're small but that's four thousand so you're looking at sixteen thousand dollars for that  number five is to leave the windows in place that are there fix them paint them restore them and then buy custom made screens and storms that could be put on the exterior of the building and those would be fifty two hundred dollars at least at parkland terms to have those made and then i estimated that probably be twenty seven hundred dollars worth of exterior trim modification to make a proper cavity for those screens and storms to fit into so this is take dollars as well so i don't know and then let's look at the notes options three and four that's putting the replacement windows on the interior leaves this store windows exposed so that regular painting and maintenance is going to be really important or those windows are going to get in tough shape in her in other words if somebody is going to keep their eye on the new hire painter come in and keep the maintenance up on those because those winds are just going to be out there and then number two know is that option five to the new exterior screens of storms that's going to require somebody to go twice a year and swap out screens for storms for screams you know what i mean so that's kind of a labor intensive requirement so these are all things to think about and i don't know if you're going to make a decision on this tonight but it's i wanted you to have some determination howard from parker stearns i'll just read off the list to see what you think and you may have other names that come to mind but and i don't know all these people but one of them is called jail g construction roger nato and jim and we could separate the windows from the carpentry to know which we could do everything on this list except for the historic window item and deal with that as a separate thing if you want to  that we had a recommendation from the state agency a transportation hydraulic study that was done for the site on page road that we need a culvert for a bridge or whatever we choose to put in there but as for the waterway opening a fifty six square feet what's there now is twenty eight square feet so twice as much ability to carry water what we're what we have on the rough  yet there was some hesitancy on the part of chris cornell who's the state stream alteration engineer that he wanted to have a look at this and give us a recommendation or maybe a requirement as to how big of an opening in water so we're s alternatives to get the contractors to bid us to alter this is a concrete rectangular box culvert with no bottom which sits on a concrete footings that are parallel to the stream or an arch multi plate steel structure that would fit on the same footing get two prices from the bidders and then we can look at our budget and we can say can we afford the box called because that would be the cadillac way to go and if it looks like a budget can handle it it comes in on the upper corner so but i think the waterway area would be about the same very close i could figure it out and i just haven't done that you know so i don't think it would matter in terms of stream function you so that's what i that's where things stand and i'm here to get this wrapped up and get it to the point where we can advertise on i don't think we'd advertise i think we offer this to again half a dozen thought was a good idea and that was to make this storm windows in again to park configuration with the top half in the bottom half with the joint where they met in the middle and then you could remove just the ok i just assumed you guys last time that's how we came up with that summer more hours of winter last from just from what i see going on and i don't really understand you guys are kind of a nine to five type thing but the series kind of worked out but you're kind of done it five one thing you know we do not hear it get soccer moms we're going forty five in the press five we have an issue with drunk driving on the weekend and then hundred ninety eight miles an hour driving out here all the time  really not getting a bang for the same amount of money that everybody's putting into this program because because that fact but where is all barks they are there in the center of the corn in the hopefully they'll get caught for they get back out here is something i had a suspicion that it might be a problem and in mid march some of the road crew guys were down unplugging i was sort of a covert and i happened i stopped and i said hey guys you know you didn't that turn up should have so fence or late march early april i don't remember the date it was one of the big melts and roughs everything washed down through there it washed the hay bales down the driveway it washed logs and sticks ever in the  that garbage and all down into my yard so i did i contacted nate and he came out and looked at it and said yeah it was a that was a problem and when they got around to it they could clean the ditch out for me and the digits runs down through my property to the to the woods and then we have that he never got around to it and you know whatever they're busy and then we had them a twenty third event that really y troops so he's since been out and they've redone the the ditch all the way down through which i think is deep and large enough to handle a large completely full waters jumped out of just down the driveway yeah i guess i don't have one with me but shows that gets all the way down just sort of shows it and the damage to the driveway lays manager after the fact so i guess mike the thing that concerns me is you've got out and i measured it's a quarter mile of poker hill road goes by several residences and it all gets turned out into my yard that's you know that's just too much it should go somewhere else but if you guys will agree to maintain that ditch you know seventy years from now i want to use to be very dug again i guess i'm ok with it i'm a i'm a  forester i work in the woods all the time i work by these books all the time so i know that getting the water turned off the road is the right thing to do but there should be more turnarounds you know there's there today we do things a little differently you know when there's an access permit are filed here and you know part of the it was handled by the planning commission then now we have developed a review board the access permit review given by a separate with conditions and we would that's why things are a little even though this is ninety nine with just a lot more exposure because of you know he's more concerned with things getting built the way they were proposed so you know what i noticed that too when it when they do that like i said now if the new access permit we would i would go out there with a road foreman go up there we make sure that doesn't sell properly we make sure the drainage was all in this driveway got you know built the way it was supposed to the house w ditch but they didn't do anything for the driveway so i got you know the driveway got pretty much washed away so i did get a rest and from jim delany bringing the driveway back to where i was now so i do have that  i don't know i'm not you know we approve this in good faith if you know the planning commission prove this in good faith knowing that it was going to be built like it should and i guess what this is this is what you know people talk about regulation b for every single place people read it that came out of the woods right yeah but it came out of the woods out of the road off the road out through the woods across the road you know it all comes somewhere in this water comes out of the woods through summer comes out of some metairie comes out tonight we're going to have the minutes of this conversation on the record and you're going to have the minutes will reflect that i think it was any conclusion found it will be to make the water moving a different way other than down it but i think we're all feeling how it came across my desk or read through it so i'd say guys contract and kind understanding that you know the service you provide it's the sticker you know bag pick up you get about nine hundred homes or so you know you sell the stickers at the store you put them in there you know we've kind understand how the system works you guys are part of that relationship is that you pick up the trash here and at the town garage free of charge for having that opportunity to do that after reviewing the contract  i started thinking about a few things it one thing that goes in my mind is we didn't have a purchasing policy here and we need to put things up to it and always make sure that everybody's getting a fair shake business here in town town felt the need to provide trash service and all these things but as time moves on here you know and then the town used to print the stickers and sell stickers and you guys used to do more i kind of give you the money and then you guys took over the sticker so little by little the town's having less and less and less to do with it my feeling with this contract is in order to renew it in my mind you need to put it out there and so another thought instead of doing that is there's never been even when you read this contract another company also could have stickers at the store this contracted never say you're the only game in town that's right so anybody can put stickers in the store anybody can do this not can but he can do this job i don't mean to you that sure but but but so anybody could do that so my look at the contract and yeah right they can go make our lives off and all of our lives a lot easier what we're doing with stickers in the future is we're putting more weight because a lot of people and the economy is tighter there's a lot of stickers and we took this over here nine years ago it was know offer discounts for people to roll offs and so forth you get really conscientious about the recycling totally hundred percent the one thing that we do do that's that's obvious in this is and you brought this up intentionally and i want to address it is packer comes down to trash dining naps and so we're not driving the road twice so we're putting light duty nine seal trucks on those roads not heavy ten to max's source in your roads which you guys know what that cost you're going through right now and we're doing it contract does not make money unless the owners who are fixed cost do this contract this is not one that you could hire three employees to go and you know yeah i know but we know where we grew up right down the road you know so we're familiar and statement is but i can tell you if you talk to it's always sounded like a model in terms of trash and state something that they've looked at how is it that you can throw out the know the numbers this week you guys today will  i don't know but that ends up in my recycle truck yeah exactly one toilet seat yeah right good coffee pots pans yeah you know i mean there's an enormous amount of stuff that i really honestly should not pick up and that i should be leaving in people's recycle i should be doing it and should it's always you can be watching this on my own but the reality is this is there  this is just it's always his problem they need to be better at taking the money that they take from us from the the proceeds of the sticker program per ton and now they're raising it and when's the last time anybody in this town ever there are plenty of folks are wrong usually and you know these are will be employees correct yes if if there are times that we are there that they're going to go through mode over there for their upstream of the pipe at all as much as pond casting as you do when you talk about keeping the pond pipe clear and all those things you are testing upon who have never tested the river it's something to think about really we're always thinking it's the pond causing we really don't when therefore if we find something upstream then we have a pollution issue up stream it would be an interesting and i don't know how many tests you have available or if you could double test any time well yeah it would be each kid is fifteen dollars and we have fifteen of them or something for the summer so you could use one of there's been as i'm sure you will know a rat's nest of all kinds of stuff going on over the time since the property was developed and all kinds of questions and all kinds of problems and issues  lots of name calling you know the things that we wanted to show you the very least several of us really say you know what let's get to a point that was in the past and we'd like to move forward on some sort of reasonable good basis brad i think i mentioned you can maybe not or maybe know i've been up on the hill for five almost six years who been there for since ninety nine so often k and i have never seen it flooded till last year i think for the first because it is my understanding and you guys know i've looked at the statutes i've looked at some of the other stuff but i figured who the slug go here you can tell us that there is some threshold  what the respective responsibilities of us as private as lenders on private roads and the town are with respect to that common portion of the road have some research of all knowledge and i discovered that the only by laws that have been written with those who are a draft of my last for an unincorporated association so basically meaningless quite frankly i would love to make go away because it's meaningless to say it's an empty piece of paper that's the only thing that constitutes any kind of agreement that i'm aware of  just for that reason because banks felt like i think that you know there was no there was no agreement about who was responsible for a walk in the driveway one hour you know and then say this house was the hand  there are similar pieces in west for the canadian national park and taxes on right now and one of them's on the rod and gun club road that goes off of our irish road and that's the continuation of the same but that that's always an issue but we don't have a tax any of these pieces we never really knew some of existed and there's some debate whether they whether it's in the railroads name or not yes so that's another legal issue if you want to look at it you know was that was is that legitimate you know can you use that river bed to access those logs you know there's isn't a minimum of assumed kind of common but anyway yeah all private road to my knowledge i mean one female when the event happened we were told that if people with elderly people or people with medical emergencies were stranded you know we had to try to help them the best  could we help to folks i think empower one having the hospital mother was an older woman that was it off so answer your question if you get cut off i suppose there is some sort of where i have become involved in that cause that potential application for female funds and hazard mitigation or preventive measures that might be taken chris you need to prove that you know  but i think i know what you're saying you know how you know there are obviously there are many different issues here and i think i would love to find a path through to something that's productive in mutually beneficial them except into the state standard which we've now signed so anything that's done has to be state standard and then of course with the proper monetization and the right deeds you can you know colchester happens all the time but there's unpaved so i don't know if that's a good question but i know the i know the railroad was officially abandoned but i also know that all throughout the twenty five of the policies i have the time line from the l c t for various things that have to be done so one of the end in june and july i thought you know if we could make some decisions we talked about it earlier and then maybe a couple months ago some of the decisions we have to start making as we go forward so if i get some guidance first i guess on the first little section here everything we do the first one says if you do you have to offer insurance to employees who work thirty hours or more considered full time that is part of a personal policy so we're clear on that about this before that since they are not mandated to offer coverage to one who works under thirty hours and then you know that if you drop that for part time people right now i think don is the only one who's getting it and hands getting changing that you kno we had thought it was it specifically the seventeen and a half hours when and because of the time that what the minimum was for the insurance companies across the shield m b p all of them you had to work at least seventeen and a half hours so that was one of the reasons that board decided to make it seventy and half hours it was thirty hours when i started actually was forty hours and i started when we get them policy to go up to seventeen and a half the other reason was because the town and ministry of position was going to be part time we thought that might be a good benefit to try to attract someone to that position you would want to work a part time job the fact that they could get full health benefits so that those were the two main reasons too that they did  get credit anyhow you know or pam with their retiree instead of the two people we have here i don't think would qualify for the tax so so that so so that's one and maybe you can just think about it  weeks then they're also have to be covered for health insurance that are now matt moore and when he works he did work that many weeks in the life guard you know it's just the season so they're only like first of all you have to have you have to get coverage every who works every thirty hours and the second one is kind of separate in the sense that do you want to offer at less than thirty hours so you're going to say yes for an offer insurance to seven for the same policy we have now sent in half hours  more so we don't have to do anything in number one because we're already there some companies they say you have to work forty hours to get insurance so we're safe for now one the second one from cincinnati and half the third one we just have to do what they say you might want to adjust the hours or change the duration of seasonal employees to avoid the need to offer them health insurance so you just need to monitor that and normally that would probably be more added to your policy that would probably full time employees working more hours a week and also health insurance for year round to work less than thirty hours a week more than seventy not more than seventeen and a half  whole other things too much but just for you to some thoughts i needed thinking about for the next time to make a decision on is that ok we're decided we're going to offer insurance i think where you decided that so we can skip this are you not going to offer insurance for worry about a navigator and that kind of stuff some of the time that the flip side the first thing on that talk of the back side gripped i'd like to maybe be able to address the next meeting so you can have some time to think about it is if we're going to offer insurance the same as we do now and that we will be paying for the platinum plan and i think the way to find  there that if they can't purchase from the exchange that they would be that their health benefits that they had to purchase it from medicare supplement would be equal to that employed person on the exchange i don't know how to word out kind of things but what the thought is if we may not be the way the policy is written is that we will allow them to continue with our insurance carrier once they retire well we're going to have an insurance carrier and more so the do we will we really want to have a retiree policy or would you want or could we change it to when they retire will pay x amount for what we currently have is you know for sixty five years and over in thirty years of service the town peers a full premium for the employee until they're sixty five in twenty five years the town pays fifty percent sixty five in twenty years the town actually went into effect in two thousand and eight and we have not then we haven't complied with that one but if you continue the retiree benefits we really have to have an actuarial study of everybody to again but i mean i think it's great i think that you know poise and love it and all that but it's really pretty rare to be have employees stay for a small town you know to be paying health insurance when they're going yeah expenditures when this was originally written in two thousand and nine we said capital expenditures were three thousand dollars or more to do subsequent board resolutions we've increased that to five thousand and we increased the my only question and this just came up today and i don't because we've already done that increase elsewhere for twenty five thousand yet structure is that like the better back  infrastructure and you could replace the whole thing like we had seventy or eighty thousand dollars it's just not going to account for why it's for accounting purposes now if you want to put it in your c i t i think we've had some eight thousand dollar items in there and stuff too but it's just that when it when it leaves the cia it goes to a different airline and that's by that i mean i'm not sure how i mean i'm not i don't know how they run a cou tell you that right and i can tell you that we've gotten better backroads before and we haven't even been compliant with gas be there before we capitalized anything until two thousand and twelve so just a question so i think so so this is the line of credit i did have you know some questions on it got the questions back if we can for answers back to candy bars only for our female related cos really have to make sure we separated and of credit so any payment you make will reduce your total available that you could borrow so big good to find out what our real estimate is so we can get this increase at some point because you know it's like at two fifty if we to do that the following person or persons are authorized to request advances and authorize payments and a line of credit and it's blank there and i think that should say sharon is the treasurer  three hundred sixty five dollars the check should be here within three days with a five hundred dollars deductible south three so the thing i wanted to ask question there was some talk about maybe adding a few more pills panels you know in our county system i can be working in three years at one time so you're going to have some bills in there and i've identified them some bills in there that are basically or fourteen like they are going to be in this budget report that you're looking at associate voting with town meeting but they're going to do it like in november i think there's some discussion about a merger vote again and just want to get cleared up but i'll have it taken care of by the end of the year  but he goes to the he's hesitant about entering the property until after he gets the deed in january he would do something as soon as the weather broke in the spring clean the property up but he will not do fill russell trood dave gave me his number is interested so i somehow all the pictures of the site this is in the information about the court order what we're looking to have done looking at if we do decide and explained about the sheriff escort except sarah he's going to get back to me and the other person who i've heard back from is don west and well i haven't heard back but i talked to was don west and  you to grants coming up we have well not one of them is that high risk group growth the river room piece that we knew was coming up for the summer i just got a notice today or yesterday i take it back june nineteenth i got a notice from them saying that they want to get started with the fourth and they were looking to have the town manager foreman and a select board member at the meeting from each town so they asked me to get schedules about when you might give bill the next two weeks for a three hour possible three hours love to do it but i hope none of us can do it  what i've done here is i got both the draft and the final hearing from me because no one's really had a really good chance to look at the draft so we can do it two ways we can look at the draft and make changes and i'll put the final  i think i was too close to the subject i didn't  limited time why you're reading out i'm just for the record i'm for the tape the next like board meeting will be july eleventh because the high next two weeks i call this fourth of july so we'll be meeting off schedule on july where that will be established at nine am in the morning and that's a public company public meeting