i want to welcome the huge crowds to tonight's meeting of the developer review board for december i hope everyone signed in on the agenda is application fourteen dash one five four for site play preview for the development of the display water reservoir located on the newly created lot within the high density residential zoning district so next did michael perrault so i pronounce it michael perrault to eighty seven main street l l c application fourteen dash one five one for conditional use review for the change of use of the first floor from residential depicts commercial use to eighty seven main street in that residential commercial sorting district that's correct ok let me big effort to try to change the course of this building i think it'd be a good idea to add in some commercial credits which will be more eyes on the property and more folks who care about property even though i'm there every week it doesn't seem to be enough to keep the place under control no amount of background checks as work i haven't had the building nine years so far so i becom and i think it'll be a more positive thing here so i've been soliciting a lot of input from everyone it can to see what types of things would be best on the property and now on i'm convinced enough to try  rightly because unfortunately i don't have these types of tenants lined up ready to go where i can tell you exactly what it would be so what i envision certainly is having a couple of businesses a couple of residences  but i would like to leave it open enough to the types of businesses which i enlisted out on the request that i feel it would just be fitting for the property and the property itself i think would naturally restrict what's to be done there so whether it be because it is pretty pretty broad i guess what i'd like to do is see if we could explore doing what you want to do it without having you to come back here just think the bigger not just planning on changing the exterior outside configuration anyway are you not adding to the building but i can show you what i'm looking to do to the facade to make it more attractive business use is clearly secondary to agricultural residential use so if he's living there it's going to be secondary because they're living there the business owner shall reside on the lot so there's somewhere else that i'm missing that says it has to be the how many square footage theater per floor per floor a little over eighteen hundred each unit is about one hundred fifteen ok so you're good there i think where there is sort of contradictions within the regulation so one of the multi use commercial building is not explicitly listed as one of the allowable uses the purpose of the district provides a description and which that pressure and and i personally i struggle with the with the concept of losing housing in richmond area because it because we don't have enough yet we also need additional business space as well so from a so it's a you know it's a it's a it's a it's a catch twenty two for you personally you're going against the odds of the market which is you know they can see apartments and  yeah it's very successful so i was just wondering based on i wasn't sure if it was going to have to keep any residential out all the the neighboring or the neighbor across the road is harrington or the entrance right out near the road right there with the cumberland so we may have fencing around it and the gates and he also there's also a shed with no doors on it that was originally in use for trash and recycle so i think he really wants to make some improvements i'd like to see the parking lot not necessarily expand until it's necessary until it sees that need we're going to say art you have this broad range of opportunity mixed use commercial side of it which covers the whole gamut of things here and and after building needs to remain at this time residential and then when you're ready when you've six been successful with your with your feeling your your business process your commercial side then come back one more time and convert the whole building at that point rather residentially something that are of value to you but we also know you don't have i believe commercial this point even though you've got some ideas and perhaps you talk to people but so if you if you do the upgrades to the building and you know it's it's like anything it's like the upgrades that heidi and peter on their apartment building on west wing right there almost looks like this building  so if you're investing money in the process of of improving the building you may be able to find that you can perhaps get a little bit higher rent and you get it for residential and you also there way to go but i'm not sure david how much we can actually apply for the building the right i think personally recognition thought about housing is needed but i also think we need business you might have a used it's not listed here that you might ask us for a waiver for because now that you've been successful in going commercial to your units that third or fourth unit coming in and has a different business that nobody thought of they want to make sure you get it corrected for that particular business so in the end you might have to come back anyhow depending on what the commercial tenant trusting you know well you're a pretty good strong list if the builder was to say all residential parking requirement would be eight spaces if you did any combination of residential studio business office a retail that parking requirement would still be eight if you did all professional of this the park small how many chairs chairs have plus any combination of residential studio business office or retail then your parking requirement is eleven so that's given some some sense  at the dimensions the dimensions indicate that you could potentially get five spaces instead of four spaces if they were to be closer together because of the dimensions of the parking space  n alternative parking configuration which was something that if the parking appointments it was to be increased there was an alternative if the applicant wanted to e correct and i think that i mean i'd hate to have you have the expense of expanding your parking lot when you actually didn't need to first of all until you actually have somebody i certainly  so i heard roederer last month to come in track the sceptical on the street so i could answer this question because i thought that barky on the sign or something is where the building is really a pear you could see the building could see the whole front your when you're coming up the hill that you really don't see anything because the woods are built right up to the road and then by the time the crap that why you really got that snap your head to the side to see anything so i focused one of design my efforts on what it would look like coming down the hill because that's where you see it and having a cluster of tolerance through the sort of oil access i have there really shields it until you get right up to the property and then body having this what i was shooting for the nice for looking entrance by paul slew trees on either side then someone breaks up the facade when you're right in front of the building and i think that those things  the building was supposed to be and they had to get away because it wasn't what it was supposed to be so that's the only concern is this we might specify if a decision actually occurs that this really has to be a certain wit between where rocks are is what i'm saying not the actual apron that's outrage to but actually drive it into that parking lot if it has to be twenty four feet and that's what we're going to say i was to be and i'm i have a strong belief that the access and i'm not sure the access permit link from the state of vermont route to how far into a property it goes up the state just looks at you perk up the chill and there's going to be a distance that they are truckers and the property that mixed situation do you take one unit you call a guest house where you know you know you have you have three bedrooms or you're having someone you turn it into a better breakfast but i just don't know if that is what the i think it's very unlikely there would be used you know for that reason that you just mentioned you know if it doesn't look like a vacation spot you don't need it and there's a lot of natural restrictions from the building that i recognise myself i mean they're they save the park even though i don't know if the retail oh you know i guess that's still in there so those are but anyway it as a party they did the maximum utilization laid off just based on what i thought it could be held as a maximum and the didn't discuss from there but you know let's say we left the right side parking area towards the road out of it because there is there would be more leave and claim and more work for me to do that we l the percentage fifty fifty and then also there was still seemed like there was like a breach of the dumpsters and one that seemed like it was a lang question and then to what degree with the board want an updated site plan showing those moved dumpsters if that is what you would like and you're looking for a waiver for them  limitations are correct but you know it's like if you look at what's you know what what what the numbers stations are destroyed i think was it it you know was it is it a physical therapy group and where they just had water where they have to stations approval from this hearing if we don't consider the park again before we close the the area here because to beat if you want to get a hair salon and the hair salon come she will i don't or fifteen square customer service station which means maximum this list is fox so five for one unit and five maximum for the other two men and then two weeks for the residential my calculation that is fourteen he's proven to as far as a requirement with the dumpster i'm open to whatever you guys would want to see would you have to dumpsters there now correct you know i'd like to see the dumpsters children so play with you do it with that is what my question would be so i guess would be the whatever it is going to shield the dumpster i would suggest that he provided a s really professionally prepared that would take into account the parking configuration for whatever uses you decide to have so that means that maybe any use of the structure that he has to come in and apply for a permit to change his use from residential to commercial at that back such that time require an updated site planned with parking updates a parking place so i guess i guess that was something good maybe i guess what i had a vision of it was that your dear the decision would say fifty percent residential fifty per cent commercial any of these uses he's already got the flexibility at the right i think i think i think everywhere else in town they have to come in when they change their use going from something to retail and that's where the current rates are right now that he  recording fee and a minimal do you think it's paying for square footage all over again every time and that's a little bit like new couldn't be created so it's not new construction it's just a change of use which would be a fifty or sixty dollar fee to get a building permit to be specific to what you want to do right so i guess for for you for you how this would work would be you who you will have this d o b decision in your hand and you will then be able to show his hand to attend a track and once you have the potential you that one is being used for professional office and then if that was changed and the track new tenant would come in for a different purpose that would be a fifteen day permit that would probably