hardest ten thousand square feet and then there's parts the part which has a high building is another three thousand square feet and it's here with propre are still heated with propane you know the natural gas would be available one of the plush it projects or it's radio projection heat down towards the floor and i can't tell you but apparently the floor and the tools will work pressure all that stuff really warm so even though you open the door mechanical electrical analysis detailed reporting and more concerned with the spray and the stuff that's on the ceiling and off the ceiling bothers me a condensation yeah you know water to shaw w you know it was hard almost nobody wanted to take the situation up and never want to i'd like to make a motion that we approve discussion you know they're very interested in what's going on here so i said a couple of times i was involved in buying that property for that purpose so i've seen them put foam on the top of the roofs and  here because i have an ongoing situation which is very difficult for me you know i serve of boredom long serving individual here and it has not been resolved right and i don't you know i i spoke to the planning commission about this because we don't don't think they have a procedure to deal with a mistake and i think almost everybody involved with this realizes that some kind of a  you know i don't even understand i have documentation that the planning commission think that some kind of an anomaly if not a mistake have documentation that the planning ordinator thinks there is no reason for this to be there and i think i have documentation that certain amount of expertise on the part of this like board has indicated that it's a mistake office and and it's my lack of meeting with him to try and explain to him the situation and if he and if and if their office can help us with trying t us through what to do then we'll need to find somebody that can because we want to do it right right you know well we would we want to do it right and and then you know we i don't want to be in a position  we have so many years working with the community to try to make everything go i don't want to be in the position to have to hire an attorney to go against their own good music you know i know and it would be a waste of money it's everybody's waste yeah and frankly you'd have to push me deep deep deep into a corner to get me to do that the problem is it's like look you said i got to the i think to the fundamental heart of matter what happened investigate what happened but you know for someone else to try and articulate it has to be done you know i don't i have to do it so i've had my hands full lately to establish a formula for taking care of the state because every buddy every board every government everyone makes that that's right and we need to have a procedure staker exactly exactly and that procedure doesn't include putting it to the borders to say are you going to vote for a wrong map or right now i totally agree with that you know notify people that there might be a change and there is only a situation is carol yeah because we should have the authority to make corrections  and you guys continue to realize that i and my family are up against a wall there's absolutely no reason for this to have ever happened you know you know i know  we could do something next but your problem well it would be very helpful for me and my family and i i understand that that's you know that that's not as important it is for everything to be right  back in two thousand and seven i spoke to brought forward and he was doing culvert work further down on sand hill and i asked him about the possibility of removing the culvert that's directly in front of the house opening up the culvert along across the roadway so that the water would be directed towards the new twenty four inch culvert that's there now and he said he that's something we could talk about when they got to do work on  so that's where we're at today and you know the current plan to go from twelve to eighteen inches will increase the potential runoff on directly at our house by significant amount during heavy flooding in a normal spring runoff we get a good amount of water that pools right in front of our house and with the way we have our land current toward the it flows around the house and to the back of the property and into the woods that culvert during a typical spring runoff this is from a couple years ago this is how the water flows down and accumulates in front of the house and then it flows around the property so are you the original are you know with a third here the what was what was you know proposed at that time it was or something that didn't get done today for see this problem so i just like to know the history first before and we didn't get the wash on our driveway as we have in the past in this last storm because i've kind of worked on that you know in the last few years  years so this is from probably about the same time that's the kind of washout on earth our driveway and when that happens that's when it can be pretty bad with the amount of was the memorial day he's already done some repair but this water didn't cross the road and come over to our house it mostly stayed on this side and went to the coast get to it flips so it's was just too borderline to have it go on the opposite side of the road right but we didn't get into any details and that's you know really what i really want to know is you know what the actual measurements are and reports from the vermont agency a natural resource the lake champlain committee you know they talked about you know flood resiliency and you know how do we have to look at ways to divert water away from houses roadways driveways how you know puts it in the areas where it actually belongs and i think you know this is right in front of culver number but twenty four inch culvert and right here is where the culvert is with this illness and you know the land is stripped from the erosion is taking place you having gravel accumulate in front of the brain and culvert you know there's no type of brass so i think that's something that you know my reading about  when you have a driveway that more non pervious soils you direct water it all adds up you know it goes into the town drainage and you remember these roads were here before any of us know you know for hundreds of years it as we'll look into the history history of how that was done and then we'll see if we can do the work with the get get that water that's that's that's a lot of water coming out yeah yeah i mean i have videos over from years past to when but but again so i just i'm just on and i feel for your problem but yeah look at it this way too if the culvert was there long before your house is built and nobody addressed that runoff or how it was how to  news bad news in a couple times good news bad is our budgets down it's down two hundred forty thousand dollars a share or two point seven percent that's the good news so the expenses are down but unfortunately the revenues are down chicken county less than we have in the last fourteen years so in trying to put this in perspective one third of our budget comes from a feeling trash one third of our budget comes from seal materials like we cycling scrap metal stuff like that in one third of country to preserve drop off centers or armor for you know any other place that you might go to and so the field trash is hurting simply because  recycling he wants to do for construction demolition might want to take down a garage in a trailer those guys will sort out the metal copper steel and sort out the clean would then trash what's not that and recycle uk so there's a the good news is we're reading their mission and we're doing things the bad news is we took a nasty hit from composted what it was is your short synopsis about this time last year so i knew it was  one don't want to cook them of they surely shamal thirty horses but all their hey my understanding is the state has found that one of the suppliers of hay bought the chemical off federal e p a or the agency of agriculture to co regulators of it neither one could test for it they kept asking ok guys let me be very clear i have any hundred thousand dollars problem so some fail somewheres you know it is no question we had over five hundred gardeners we had to pay off i mean you know we're not talking six or seven here we're dug in five hundred in the i'm lucky that we only had three or four thousand yourself washee korea to move out of the interview if you remember the year before you know so we in the silver lining is it could have been much worse so i asked the p a system how does this work you're the regulator the system failed i have a problem and you guys can't ask for this really found is that i bought off the internet the good news is they made these therefore for free me by down want me to put on all kind of off limits no unless you're a registered pesticide applicator licensed you can't get and even if you can get the worst one the one that's ten times as strong you cannot you no longer use on hay in ramallah unless you wait eighteen months before that we were covered we had product was ability insurance and business interruption insurance we filed a claim the night we should worsen plain and simple no one had question about it and you know had it not been for us going to them in two thousand and eleven manure is going to other places and i can tell you one other compost who took the horse manure that we did it ended up with the same problem on to private they don't like to talk about a whole lot they don't have to because they're not open to them freedom of information act know exactly so that's kind of the trash is going up considerably but will do to a typical household is thirty seven cents a month you know when i say considerably on a typical how on a typical garbage bill if you have picked up and you're at your house it should go up one percent the way we look at it in you know we're paying for the damages that  what we're hearing from even c of agriculture probably not a good chance of going after the person who applied it to is he feel because once the word got out that the agency aquaculture the brand that we have and the way it was handled it's going to be cowed looking at the graph of the stock market when you look at you see a huge debt and even you're middle of it you say it's going crazy but then you're off a couple years later you you know somebody put in you one hundred pounds a year and it well there's there's there's tons we're not seeing you know which is good here you know we're not i mean our little claim to fame is the national the way  town as deborah not yet not yet ours is let me let me put this another way member in two thousand and seven when we were really willing or neighbors and they were new willing on us you know bottom two curves where eight percent from the lowest curve and we built that landfill in two thousand and seven take it back but i think we were in bed in the deficit spending just to pay the bonds off somewhere else on the order of one to three million decision to say let's hold off build compost get recycling going real good to see how much we can really get it down then look at what size the land fill out to be rather than build it no pick up if you get right now but i here but there's been a little bit of a turn of events at work town the state court they had finished cells one in two they were going on three in had designed for four hey we're going to come back at you with a brand new design for for you know a much better way and i think what you have to put it another way you have a company who cannot go buy miking buy and then they  any other question what are you going since you have an issue with cash flow not enough of it what are you guys doing to to to tighten your belts that you know in these times rather than raising rates on people like i said we're down two hundred forty thousand last time we raised our rates was two thousand and nine our budget is four hundred seventy two thousand dollars less than it was in two thousand not bad when you we went out and it i think my predecessors picked on the wrong guy paul casey and i get along actually pretty darn good not feeling too good right now but you can definitely get along very well we got it it took twenty years changed in twenty years  was no recycling back when we started now we know you know what you do it you should create it you process it what was being thrown in the garbage is worth money you can you can do it let me put it another way today we're putting some words on the  so our logic was when we finally got that land in two thousand and nine formed on you've got to be real careful about building a landfill right now a we were in a mess the recession it took twenty as you said nearly twenty years we were in the midst of a recession that tonnage was going down recycling was going up we said it won't this is not a good done to build that because if you knew you could have to feed the beast here we just said whole laugh let's wait a few years we had a invest it right here and that one of the cycling you know i can tell you that recycling paid for that landfill and recycling paid for compassed compost guts two point three million so we have a little objection with publicly traded corporation and ours we take ours we put it back in the next budget as two point one point nine million went back into that the sooty this year and next year we get a bill or for another six hundred pounds of him we have in the other one is compost in a bill was closing your attorney general was all over they came to us you know we didn't go and say all please can we have it they came to us we said yup and then when we said we're going to build it we're going to do it right are you going to contract you know the compost we could right now but just like to mirth you gotta make sure you can sure it's going to work i mean you know when i first got there the weight when i got here nine hundred ninety five you drive your truck up to the earth half an hour three chords you know it was a very typical weight could and we've got to figure out that's why we may not do it because of where we're trying to do it what we found is to put this in perspective we're completely not so much under helps you get your bag system but contract with waste meeting with a label are you know somebody else to do it with they're responsible for picking it up that's seventy percent of the country another ten fifteen percent of the country has like dropouts or to rural america where the very rare ducks and what we're having a hard time is finding good examples of someone who converted to the can to the consolidated collection with more than one home when people do it they say screw it you know let it have the same ethel's that we had see protect a small home or they just go it's cheaper hire waste management done woman with their with a smaller we don't care met you know we learn from our community they don't want that they were who were struggling to find a fair and equitable way to do expense of not local business the big big one in united states was west linn creamery sometimes it's they did something to favor the locals to favor that cream right portland oregon and we're asking our attorney to figure out how to get it because you know it and and so we heard with the community said don't go it you know we need to do something protect it would you try to find that mechanism and even if we had a meeting with a hose probably a month or two ago and you know agreed we can do the first one because oftentimes people will say yes we'll give you one which is fair we'll give you the first one based on your market share you can't guarantee the second one and that's where the commerce clause comes in so we're trying to fiddle around that one and we don't know i mean it saves a ton of money but time if you so also the segue question i guess for us then actually most likely come to every town and scene here's a system we've come up with do you want and do you want to know if you want to know what it for you if you don't want to good feel of the day and if you like me i can tell you your part of the report that you know we're very weak on you know we could count on them because of it but it's frustrating for us on that piece and but part of me totally understands it but you know i just want joe out there you look at i mean my watches her watch myers i can see him because he comes pretty early in the morning comes six thirty minute next door neighbor and we're  five seconds in there leap and leap frogging down the street you know and it's oh it's going to come a time when ergonomics known some of the small unless they're going to buy a real nice packard and they're developments were seen on this front porch for oh yeah they're all getting right together and saying ok all of ledge would hug many of us want to get it you know if we get sixteen houses out of twenty in his development we  or twenty five dollars a month instead of thirty five we didn't have to be now here for you know and people are doing that and that may be what the answers want to me right but what is going to come back when the states will say hey you know the problem with we can know you know it i don't know the best way to re up former chemists think of it of recycling molecules under pressure and very little oxygen very high temperature that chair will solve into a gas just like middle carts we gave every holler for three years we'll pay for forty percent of your car and when you're in we were so specific we say we want you to get up your recur we want you to get another you know whatever works for you guys you know whatever you want for a car of that was a shocker me and i think the news we're in is probably i know he's miffed enough i suspect they're going to do it now the point is c has to be deep because we cut the budget that's one of the things we cut out of there so came here you could pinch myself every morning when i woke up to get a hot we take all the up plastic newspapers cardboard it steel all aluminum all that and you did a weighted average you know where with average we were getting two years ago hundred twenty three dollars last year we got ninety nine right now we're looking at the low ninety's ninety two ninety three the current president it's not only the price of oil it's really the world economy i mean europe we just read yesterday meth going around with her another composter because of meth was o c s deputies getting it because the heat here compost too much and it's making it more available totally fabricated ball so another guys you're not going to be involved in some of the stickers or you know doing a construct we are now oh ok the only thing we do is do the contract but what we do exactly but now if the rates go up because this little bit more of a free for all we'll tell bringing it there yeah and you know so and then he had a contract with water that closes you know he's going to be hit by us going to be hit by the fuel tax and he's going to get you know stamp thank you the governor did send a declaration to washington for a million a half for the county so but that's not a solid number of little b you know i was just saying you read this point we get this point so if we do get that clear hopefully we'll know that soon then we can anticipate being reimbursed for some of these things but we've also secured a no or a lot of credit flows until we get that money but we'll see really begin when the when the field people come out or the person that's assigned to this place so that he has to keep good documentation like we're doing just on can we temporarily  now clean it up are we going to put a lien on the property so that cost gets covered when it closes or do we clean it up well if he cleans it up there will be no answer well no if he cleans it up and wants m that would be easy incentive to do that before you go on the prowl i know it would be oh it would be you'd be hedging you know we'd just be risking i don't know i think we still have to get the sheriff well you know i say well if if i don't do it now they're going to do it and they're going to put it on the movie of court order and i'm going to have to pay for it all right you know so i did talk with the mic nights and their feeling was that you know that they didn't think the town should or certainly didn't want the town lot of pressure after eighty and we're getting a lot of pressure or even pressure from one individual where syria now maybe too i don't feel the pressure as much from the individuals and i truly understand the thought process behind the concept of we have rules we need to enforce our rules so that people take our will seriously yeah that's them that's and i understand we reinforce them to a point but more than two point i think we've got almost as far as we could impede that same distance and i was wondering if you had a chance to i did the same oh well i have back to the driveway and i looked towards the center and i didn't really didn't peed my vision at all visit from their concerned parties that that already been tried so i feel like it has to i think they were coming to us because that didn't work i think they tried to work it out ok what we can do