and also joining us a little bit later will be kept in fall from the department of fire and public safety are valuable staff came when they break our legislative analysts and demi frias our committee secretary at this time i would like to check nominating someone for the public works commission we also have into government agreement with the housing white housing finance and department developmental corporation for home investment partnership program  funds also we have urging the state of hawaii to rename the stream to its original and true name of what local river for we have a supplemental agreement to compensate those in safety employees for watercraft operations and find me an update with the of my we count the fire code i'm not sure if we'll be able to get to all of that but it's a daunting task and we'll try to see what we can do we'll start with public testimony and public was blinking red i will ask you to stop after three minutes and kindly conclude at that point in time when testifying for the state and in your name and any organization that you may be representing and fin start with our public testimony our first public testify is john john testifying on seventeen and he will be followed by the morning chair members john dewey valley january sixteenth two thousand and fifteen min an application to the hawaii board of geographic names to have their tradition and a lot of support from our historical society we're all aware especially chair that there is another way to beguile it but also where there are many place names the same on many different islands for writing this item i've sent in written testimony that covers a lot of the history and details of why i support p a eleven and a supplemental agreement i just wanted to really emphasize that our rescue our craft increased strong enough about using this tool have volunteered to get the eighty to one hundred twenty hours of additional training needed to operate this specialized equipment and there is nothing in the position description of or so to that says they are required to do this only only so the only reason only so do they face is to try and save lives but it has led to a speeding taking advantage of in the beginning mention operators pay and instead have created a beach supervisor position by not addressing the situation and acting as though it is a requirement for oyster to operate rescue skis on the nine one one system it is leading to frustration and low morale there's been talk of no longer volunteering if the county feels a beach supervisor is more important than a jet ski operator to respond to nine one one calls please understand that being in service on the nine one one system versus being a tower guard at a specific beach park are two totally different levels of responsibility when being a target at a beach park oist or able to assess the conditions and creatures continually they are aware of and anticipated hazards based on experience at that location weather and tides and they have some type of control because they're able to prevent hazards by educating informing patrons of the ender's being on call for the nine one one system there is no way for operators to prevent a rescue and they must prepare for any scenario at any time what may seem like a routine rescue could drag on for hours in all sorts of inclement elements oftentimes the conditions in the area of a jet ski operators i dispatch to are radically different than the location their station because of swell or when they're actually and the risk in wear and tear on their bodies increase as they must travel miles for each rescue is opposed to yards the name of the river running through the valley is river but however over the past century or so there has been increased number of references and documentation that refer to this river as either stream or river now if the united states border geographic names requires us to go through this process at both the county and state levels so that we can ensure that the historical  river is held intact for future generations to come i would ask that you would also consider supporting this resolution thank you nonny any questions for the test been the other jurisdictions who has been doing it since two thousand and six followed shortly thereafter and beguiling is currently in the process of doing it and the reason why i begun it is only doing it now is only nation to go into the nine one system back in two thousand and two so basically this is one piece of the puzzle that we're working on there are a lot of other issues but we want to make things right they've been asking for this since two thousand  you know they have been asking this for a long time few times previously it's been shut down for whatever reasons and it is important to make this merger into the fire department to see  to its original name when luke river you know about twenty years ago no one even thought of they didn't think about you know this area as having the four rivers it was called  we need all those advise we need the fourth river to really have its correct name i agree very much with mr dewey that all the old maps show river none of them refer to stream the maps from the for many years i served on the surf rider board of directors and some of our members actually were the pioneers in using watercraft maui folks may not know it was the first to use water craft for safety purposes and we saved a lot of lives because of those early pioneers who figured out how to use these craft safely to get out to people who were in trouble and put less risk on the lifeguards  lives and also will be able to help multiple people so it's kind of ironic that now we're the last that refuses to compensate our hard working life guards for this extra training that is necessary these are pretty  powerful machines and you do need to know what you're doing so it seems that it would be well worth our while to keep our morale high and to support this supplemental fees for those who are going to be doing and using the watercraft for their lifesaving mission thank you for your consideration this request thank you mr new questions for the testifier for any clarification thank you very much for being  here that's the last testified that has signed up so far in the chambers of anyone wishing to sign up these go out to the lobby and there's a table they're set up for you to sign up if you want to give testimony on any of the five items let me check with and district i'll give one more opportunity for anyone in the gallery who wishes to testify on any of the items on the agenda today seen no rush to the podium with no objections i communication correspondence dated march second two thousand and fifteen from them at transmitting a proposed resolution in title appointment of a member to the public works commission what a county of along with the works commission this particular vacancy requires an individual to have background knowledge of the hawaiian culture mr khan is a graduate of the coming at me how school pacific university and the university of hawaii at manoa he is also the sole proprietor of arts and entertainment and he's been involved with some other community organizations such as the academy of recording artists and also a member of the grammy national academy of recording artists and he a late so he is certainly well versed in language and culture and as you know one of the responsibilities of this particular commission is the naming of streets and facilities so we believe his background knowledge in the hawaiian it's come to my attention that many of the daily things we take for granted and we see actually i was explained that street names you know that were directly connected to this this position and there are there is a generational change over and i think for fear of not knowing what goes on in you know in the running of our you know just our little itself in in ma we just felt that i needed to take the plunge and use this as a learning tool as well as being able to share my own and some of the e q that i could possibly deliver and give as a as it as a member on our streets now because they are getting a little out of hand and a little for the for lack of a better term just really really  that name needs to be your story sorry that was an agenda goal but the way when you when you be stole the proper name to a proper entity or a proper place of law he it gives just be able to use as well i think you are and you know learning is to you know we will learn from you and you can learn from us in a if you know what i'm saying and so i very proud with your credentials and your knowledge yeah there are some funky streets out there i used that term because you use other terms but that's really what it comes down to because the name doesn't make sense to what it's supposed to be representing so thank you very very much and i'll open up if you don't mind questions from the names in the community itself that are rural that have a literal translation and the word for ok here's one example of a of a literal to direct translation one or working family of working families so it's an example and because off the top of my head i am sure i can come up with a list for you if i was given the title but from that that you bring under the table for us so i can only say thank you thank you very much i truly appreciate it i appreciate the department for reaching to so in your position potentially as a commissioner how would you know what would be your style of getting information to be able to make a decision regarding connecting to well i have all the know i have friends there so to make a connection familiarly with people that are cool place that's the first thing you do because you know going to somebody's backyard and say this is this is how you supposed to be done there's questions involved so for the for the most part it's really rich in resources that you know i personally have there which is one hundred and that's really the only thing you can do is seek the knowledge of the people that have been there for generations and then you go about making you special area that we we do our our dances and our chants and our are all the things that have been handed down their names that means in places that we are we've done all our in our lives so it would just be a connection of having to you know connect those chants and dances and all of the body that we've learned with names of these of that island i think that's my closest connection because there are there are dances that we've that i've ever learned from childhood and that's that's a starting point but again really it's  connecting to the cool and i'll be completely honest a lot of the that the dances that we do you know you know we haven't been to all the places but we we dance and we chant it and that just gives us more reason to go out there to those to those places that we have been chanting and dancing about fo years and you know the whole week who have been practitioners of the art for many many generations and who i believe and grandchildren still continue her work on our resources that i can tap into  well that is appreciated we even have we have our own problems we face names tool lately so i can appreciate your comments i look nation it's interesting to think that there was you know there's a sense that there was no place names until by any us came to this country well those place names way before they came to this country and as an effort across the country to go back to native names so everyone's asked a lot of the questions i'm very comfortable that you've got what it takes to provide what is necessary for this commission and so i appreciate your bringing it forward chair thank you very much and entertain a motion to put on exhibit b the approval of the nomination of call stand the third to the public works commission expiring march thirty first two thousand and nineteen mr carroll so it was moved by me mr carroll seconded by miss by so to put the name on exhibit b the third to the college and mr guzman thank you very much thank you sir and good luck we have one more step after this that's the full council but thank you very very much execute an intergovernmental agreement with the hawaii housing finance development corporation to receive a grant of two million four hundred and fourteen thousand three hundred nine dollars from the united states department of housing and urban development home investment partnership program for the development of affordable housing to assist us in understanding this agreement we have available today great  human concern this is very this is a time sensitive i don't we need to you know come to some reasonable conclusion today we need to get something passed out today this is not a financial obligation this monies that have been obligated to us and now we just have to accept this intergovernmental agreement so i just am i'll call upon mystery doll to give an explanation and michelle yoko who is also present can help us and assist us if we have any other question good morning mr good morning chair thank you good morning members of the committee but you have before you is an intergovernmental agreement between the culti of mali and d h i'm sorry h h f d c this is we used to get home investment allocation annually but for a number of years now we are going to be getting it on a three year cycle so this is our two thousand and fourteen allocation two point four million dollars the total amount will be utilized for the cool project the reason we are bringing this this matter to the committee is that we want to be sure that the committee understands that a council understands that and core council be able to explain more thorley to you that if for some reason the county is not able to perform and we do not use this money to do affordable housing then the county will be required to pay the full amount back and i want corporation called to maybe give you more insight into that portion otherwise we have used the whole monies in the past we were able to get extensions we have never in the past  for what project here on my we call to do we have a specific project in mind this particular monies will go to the cool project thank you and that should make me buy signed up country people are seniors a little happy happier i should say  to what extent i mean if it takes too long what extent would that trigger this repayment we don't do the project i just sort of the public in and myself and the committee members have a a very difficult question to answer i can just generally tell you failure for us to comply with the terms of the agreement which we're asking to enter into would require repayment and generally speaking  if we don't do the project at all we'll still have the money to repay it because that's the only thing we can use this money for is for the projects so in that sense it's ok but answer your question generally we have to comply with the agreement in front of us thank you do you want to add something like the only example i have chair is is not the use of the funds but the timing of the fun however sake twenty eighteen comes around and we have not yet spent the full two million dollars we have an opportunity to request an extension of for another year in order to utilize those  so that's the only experience i have had with these funds is asking for an extension to utilize the funds and we've always been provided the opportunity  thank you and i guess the other question to be answered asked i should say is that this agreement was in the f a y two thousand and fourteen so this is why you're bringing this forward because there's really no budget amendment interest of the county to bring this before the policymaking body thank you thank you thank you for the clarification area rep and it has a direct impact in your area by so thank you very much chair and thank you very this here today i consider this good news i think that we've been working on this for a while i see no reason for us not to accept this money and proceed with this project full first on first reading and finding on county communication fifteen that sixty seven any further discussion on all those in favor signify by saying i oppose we have seven  remember even in the days when we talked the history and the battle of eow it is said that the local river ran rid with blood for a number of days after the battle so it is there in history  so and that's a big historic moment in the valley along with a number of other items but that is part of the recorded history so staff has passed a background information from mr dewey members would you like me to do it come down if you fifteen dash eighteen mr carroll so it has been moved by mr cowles second hand by misplaced to forward the proposed resolution urging the hawaii state board on geographical names to rename to white river any further discussion seen on all those in favor signify by saying i opposed that the record shows seven eyes to excuse stated you know it's definitely been overdue for ocean safety officers to get the supplemental income that has been basically done throughout the state and big island is currently the next one on the list with their starting of their program for the jet ski so the administration knows that this is something that is going to be done and works have been already in place through the h g a union fourteen with their new bargaining coming up but the biggest concern we standpoint is the transfer so we are looking forward to get the transfers through and with that transfer through with fire as well as an ocean safety you know getting that supplemental at time of transfer after transfer was complete but the main priority we have currently is to get the transfer process from safety into fire ok thank you many questions on their would you like to add a few comments please operating the skis for a very long time and i feel that our operators should be compensated for the work they do they go through extensive training above and beyond their regular training so i do support the bill are are in the in the law in chapter twenty nine is part of negotiations so it is something that we would need to negotiate with the h g s but i haven't seen any  document from fourteen h g a we haven't gotten anything currently i do know that they are working on that and drafting that from the state level of meaning that they are put together from from that unit as well so we're on our way but we have nothing f in our hands at this point in time yes yes they are barghouti that now with the unit fourteen i believe maybe even what is a new bargaining unit based for ocean safety through h g h so they are working on that as well ok thank you very very much the other question i have if i turn it over to the committee and we need this before you miss the book and say oh how far are we with this changeover i mean you know this was passed in two thousand and twelve by yes and we all know what's happened to disappoint and two budgets have come by and still no change and i sure hate to find out on the budget coming forward and at the end of this month th nothing has been accomplished yet i can tell you for this council member he will not be a happy camper and i will be calling for more than just excuses this time around so with that being said as far as your knowledge where are we as far as this change always concerned you know i think the administration on the same page as you are this is probably the the father says that this transfer has taken place we've got everything basically in no ok thank you i will open the questioning from the members and i'll start with the maker of the resolution which cochran thank you chair and i appreciate this being heard today thank you for putting it on the agenda and as we heard through testimonies and also through departments that this is a very long overdue and our oceans safety officers have been i guess put joined into this pilot program back in two thousand and two and it was never revisited or timeframe was never given to evaluate this program and then decide on compensation for hazardous pay and what have you so i really feel that i hear collectively that we all are in agreement and i think now is the time to see what steps need to be taken to have it comes to through its fruition and obviously this supplemental agreement is key and so i want to know where is that like something that's doable this this year i mean in the near future i don't know if mr hero moto has been involved in the  the first part of it if we all that i can say we the way it was all set up from the very beginning of the jets he's got to play we kind of all kind of a back story of how that all started and it wasn't done where probably on a policy of procedure standpoint the right way so on the issues that we know we've got to get to that point and address the issue where it stands with h g a i'm not too positive i do know based on the unit fourteen representatives here from oif or ocean safety he did mention to us during our  homeowner here and cochran no we have not seen a supplemental agreement at this point ok thank you and then in regards of guards to the transfer so i know you folks are saying that number one priority is about the transfer and i wholeheartedly agree also but this i guess agreement and what have you won't isn't like highest priority so that you won't actually pretty any energy recognizing their efforts and the amount of duties that they do on the jet ski so i think you know it could be something where it could be simultaneously done but again we are going to focus making sure the transfer does take place from all of our ends as well yes fire was well aware of it and it was actually bob's resolution was bought up at one of our transfer meetings with our ocean safety lifeguards is when the resolution was brought into the forefront so far is very aware of it and again they're on the same page as well they also feel and that's one department that has those different differentials so they're aware of it and they are totally supportive as well but again you know we've got to get that transfer and move forward from the come we going to let us come participate in collective bargaining no because i don't want to deal with individual units who had to be three thirty eight whatever it be it's you guys job in line with mr hope comments on this i find it hard to understand how the h g a has not come forward with the supplemental agreement in the last five or six years maybe i may be wrong on that i support moving ahead with make things fair and i think mr cochran has brought up a very good issue  but i i support the substance of it but since we're already in negotiations with fourteen i think it's appropriate for them for this issue to be simply work into the overall agreement since the other three counties are already there it's going to be part of the contract and i support it being part of the contract mr here moto what is th  it's whenever we have a bar unit that has members that are state employees there's always the the the state the fact that we want to factor so in answering a question football uniform fourteen if we don't get any settlement in time for the end of this state legislative session then we're looking at next state legislative current state of the negotiations is at a point where there could be settlement from by the end of this legislative session that's just right around the corner we're always hopeful but there are a lot of issues on the table at this current time so as far as you know this issue of hazard pay for the jet ski operators is that already and the proposed draft you know i did not check on  that all i know is a four supplemental agreements we can always agree to supplemental agreements as long as we have a master agreement i understand that and i appreciate what the other counties have done but mr chair few wouldn't mind that mr her vote or mr her motive could provide this committee with the information of whether this issue is already in the master agreement but it would seem that with the other three counties having already done it presently working at it big island has not finalized theirs at this point is i am i correct in saying that because that's what i thought i heard but i just want the verification because you're saying three have done the other but they're moving in that wild wild but it's not done yet so it's we are in support of what needs to be done i think that we agree because dave works for many many years without any additional compensation with their own personal watercraft so it may come a time when it may due compensation to our hardworking ocean safety officers who have been putting their lives on the line for years now with the added compensation and other counties of you know stepped it up and yeah as mr obama said unions have something to do with it i think collectively we all do and that's why we're here today that's why i wanted to push this forward that we do our share and we do our part and perhaps it's already in the you know the master plan agreement  now and so because they continue to do the work and will always my question is this supplemental agreement that we create i guess a separate agreement as mr her moto mentioned can that be put forward i mean with ongoing negotiations and what have you i mean i guess maybe doesn't make sense but is there a way to is there budgetary amount that would need to come from our behalf i from a personnel standpoint what i think is far is budget why it has to be a budget amendment if you're talking this fiscal year or would have to be put in the budget up coming from the mare and the administration that we will be working on studying the ended a mount and i may be wrong we still comma and you correct me if i am but if you're talking budgetary items it would have to be a budget amendment or added into the budget if you're talking the fiscal year two thousand and fifteen and i correct without a master agreement right now yes it is possible to a supplemental ok and i guess have you read able to look into the added cost i guess is like two hundred eighty days to two hundred eighty dollars per day being the additional costs number cochrane i have not seen a supplemental agreement i don't know what the cost is i suspect that that would be point of is transitioning our explain to me further what's going on because my question is if there is a master contract with the existing  thank you for sitting and being here for as a resource  yes i'm available for any questions that you might have to fight apartment ok and that's keep you know i've been reminded to keep was the agenda as far as the agreement some point of agreement but if you want to go a little bit about the give you some latitude as far as the transfer since it was brought up by the department so valley you had a question again a transfer timeframe ok transfer time frame have you any more have address revising position descriptions minimum qualifications class specific and of course discipline agreement it's all of these things are just part of the puzzle to get this transfer done here is to how do we compensate the ocean safety officers who have been doing this job since two thousand and two and thereby trying to urge and push for the supplemental agreement to make it happen so in your eyes set aside the transfer stuff how and eventually it will be coming to these workers will be how do you see it working you know how do we i mean we don't know what's in the new master agreement with the bargaining unit but we do have existing bargaining unit or whatever that is or in currently we can write up  calculated what the retroactive pay would be for the current employer covered isolations recommendation so i far as the retroactive that we were looking at retroactive we were looking from point of sale resolution or point of if you were to get the supplemental agreement done within the next two weeks for example i don't even and it would obviously have to be under our you know three and four know what have you projected what those costs would be for the remainder of this fiscal year and do you have the funds to cover we have not projected it and based on what the current budget is we would not have the funds  there thank you we're still coming so just so that we are clear we're being asked to consider compensation for something that employee wasn't supposed to cause it's not the in their current job description hate to start this but it begs the question is are they compensated for the use of personal equipment that i keep hearing over and over and say oh first and i don't just like you know who wants to n and so i want to jump back to the dollar amounts and the resolution is reflecting on the amounts that are currently being implemented other counties and so they're stating it comes out the wage and all the stuff adds up you know seven days a week per operator whatever two eighty two hundred eighty dollars per day times seven which is in a week and then you add it up for the month and it's just eight thousand and so the twelve fifteen years they've been doing this they've saved over a million dollars in wages if you went back and so the retroactive part of this is it a few issues it is getting compensated from here on out this day forward for the work they're already been providing will continue to provide and it for me is very important that we stick with that and focus on it i think that it's well overdue mr quinn you know can chime in if you like but share that's think the brunt of the focus of this and so i much at this time i'd like to give my recommendation that you would like to entertain a motion recommending the adoption of resolution title urging them air and the director of the committee met on december of last term there will be substantive discussion and we have some revisions were made to the bill mainly folklore for there is also on numerous non substantive adopt documents along with the committee along with the committee's request for the minutes of the meat of the meeting that appears that all the revisions have been incorporated with your permission i would like to work with  summary of the bill and how he has gotten here today members we have all been discussed after mr high up he has given you clarification and again one of the main reasons i wanted to bring this forward really before county fire code currently the state has adopted with amendments this exact code as the state fire code and so  we're at the point where we need to look at the state code and make our amendments to it and then adopt it tha much here and thank you captain for being here and i'm glad you had mr english with you i just have one quick question on distinguishes aware of some of the things that we're thinking about working in the water resources committee do you see  meter issues and what have you and then now for someone to tie and have to build out their own transmission lines and and things infrastructure that's very costly so as in fire protection can a person is there anywhere in here that allows a person to set you have options of bringing it in on site water tank or adding sprinklers to your house we propose is called back in two thousand and two when the private sector was on the water department was given to fire department ten years later still available for us so we're trying to propose this stuff tankers so we know we maintain our tankers we have a lot of supply and at the time it was a great idea looking back at it now or thinking we had not been a g and from an insurance standpoint of view enhances the chance of keeping the fire damage to a minimal and not losing your entire house so there's the other side is not just for the purpose of having a tank in the fire it is really to help the fire department a much better job so i was still encourage people to look upon that as an alternative to fire protection especially as far as moving away from fire stations and fire apparatus even w on first reading the bill for an ordinance adopting the hawaii state fire code with certain amendments and finding of county communication thirteen dash one eight one any further me and as well as focused effort in helping me get this put together today and i want to thank you committee members for being here i know it's a busy monday and with no objection we should all of you well and this meeting