on the proposed so in play and improvement that they're proposing is a three thousand square foot warehouse addition on this side of the building next to high schoolers in a small four hundred  seven hundred seventy five square foot retail edition right in the front right left side of their building the warehouse will be used during their equipment that they repair as well as inventory that all prevent or preclude them from storing it outside once this edition this bill all their storage needs to be kept inside the small little retail areas for retail commission's recommendation o of scott's sons the remaining acreage will stay intact access will be directly to just about road which is a state road and the only highway occupancy permit before you could issue a building for me phase two in phase one it's hard to see here but this is boyer road here which connects to be here and up here is the upper end of the play and where originally it was to tie into the wo peter's township plan of laws council determined did not require that connection so that's a key point in addition the key point here is since the township was a taylor to eliminate this traffic circle here this traffic circle here as well as this traffic median here in terms of traffic calming he's asking that those  put them in there because we thought the plan would connect into the woodlands of peter's plan and we wanted some additional controls in there to not only slow traffic down but to discourage through traffic so we had our township traffic engineer my med re with t p d look at it and determined technically this traffic median here in this traffic circle in this traffic circle were not required under our traffic calming regulations in our subdivision so his recommendation t p d s recommendation is to eliminate the three traffic calming devices that's requests one request to is before the traffic before that stop sign one in the same distance there is bad it's not a good place to come out on people road from doing so as part of work crew will play and we required all traffic so that's our traffic engineers recommendation this will go to council with the planning commission is doing tonight is making a recommendation to count on mr taylor requests to eliminate those three traffic calming devices in eliminating the problem just mean it's issue i don't know that there's a problem it's just that they're not are they there right now is that he just doesn't know they're not there yet he has not put the final where he course on the you come in and make it turn there's not a lot of long segments of straight away roadway were traffic can pick up speed there's lots of intersections and turning movements  definitely be increased traffic other than food to live in the plane and if we are connected into the wood that connection is not happening there is a big mound here it could happen in the future but at this point time it's not happening so we just put some additional controls in to discourage folks from using words the bus stop  intersection that with on an island you don't really have a good control of traffic going in and out of there so in other words your cars coming down if you want one to go left one is that stop sign is kind of an odd location where they're going to stop bad but  proposal from evergreen village is a townhouse development that we've proved back in the early two thousand it's been developing over the last three years originally it was not developed by trying to reverse it was another developer try to reverse his move in his finishing off the last four buildings we have two buildings under construction on this side of the road there's another building here th up taking over the rooms so many of your original buildings don't need five six seven eight and a lot of them were built essentially with a set back of eleven feet and that's the exact setback homos twenty two feet over the hill which essentially makes him go because he's off these condominiums do not have basements there are slight grain so it would almost be an eighty foot driveway right here when it was determined that this driveway when be moved they got rid of the option by spring in the driveway from the street which is what we typically have done in all of the other buildings so we would have a man it would be kind of see where you are utilizing every square foot that we can to maintain the same square footage centrally uniformity of the community cause a safety issue and detract from the study beauty in the mission of the regional plans during the construction and after construction the safety of the residents in the visitors to every religion must be foremost in everyone's mind the next item that must be maintained is regional pl community or purchased a home neater city with both privacy and green space drivers were not be a resident of evergreen village once the build out is complete they will be gone therefore destroyed we were really have the community's best interest in mind  they are concerned only with the bottom line i believe their interest is in the bottom line is not only is the government's request it do not want to not add to the state the beauty can study value of the community the only thing these variances do is sidewalk the new residents of building sixteen will most likely want to privacy fence around your patio for they could ensure their patio and private and this fence along with the shrubbery and trees which will be planted which will part of the existing ever really plenty and will create a limited line of sight thus making the situation unsafe the original plan for these amenities and not only for the proposed building sixteen but for all the existing buildings appearance but have helped property values increase do we really want to take a step backward i believe the approval the proposed variants will do this please forget up what was done in the past and let us keep in touch it moving forward as take a vote on is the sixteenth building what we are asking for is the same square footage as will was only original play and all owners knew that when they moved in and i you know it's not a bottom line issue from a cent does something at stake here as does the community because essentially this is a contributor just like everybody else we're not creating anything here we're simply completing what was in the initial public offer between these buildings would not be changed under any circumstances i have two problems with the various one is that it's going to make that road appear like an alley we already have a problem with t m s units and the police department and the fire department in finding the people in the back behind the building that i live in we had a person died last week and they couldn't find her house they were up they were over an evergreen drive around the corner the original problem started way back when the township allowed val bianco to to move the buildings to the to the to the left in order to give the people an evergreen drive wider spaces now the problem is that this brought this point even though there is a building designed for they say now  well he is saying now one of the elevations too bad except the fact of the matter is they don't have to put a four unit building on this lot they can put it to you in a building on a slot it is it into unfair to give a variance for economic reasons this this property could be used for two units instead of four it would not require everything being crowded into a little space i'm sorry the tribe rivers didn't do their due diligence when they took over the project but that's their problem our problem is that we got to live in a community i've moved into an upscale community i want to be an upscale community i don't want to look like variance then he's going to have the authority or the or the initiative to move the road and move out onto that road which is going to then we force him to pull put the road over and take the system buildings property and i'd move into this township or into evergreen in order to have that kind of living condition and as far as i'm concerned no matter what they say about the homeowner's dues if you if you look at the real realistic facts the home owners dues now are two hundred fifty dollars a unit if you take two hundred fifty dollars two hundred fifty days dollars a unit or five hundred dollars a month times twelve months or six thousand dollars or sixty units in a place that was going to cost everybody one hundred bucks a year history dicky alice plus the fact that this is the first building that they're going to see when they commute to the plant and it's going to look like a mess it's supposed to be open it's supposed to be a statically good and it doesn't it isn't extatic really good with the design it's been putting her building sixty it's the most heavily traveled driveway in the built in the complex it's going to support three buildings the driveway is almost the length of the evergreen drive there are service trucks that enter this driveway there's a mailman enters the driveway there's a guard beach person that enters the driveway and backs all the way down the bottom of the draw that way to provide indoor service to the community of people that are the can't take their garbage clean out to the street down evergrey this walkway was put in by the requirements of the township as a recreational tool for the for the association this walk this will sidewalk is heavily traveled by a variety of people we've got people on that sidewalk that are fifty years old to ninety years old if you put this building eleven foot from the curb the sidewalk is five foot seven from the curb it will leave you a window of about five feet from the building to the sidewalk once you had some fence to hurt someone once you put this building in the world cation that creates a hazard for the township you cannot correct it there is a lot of people that use the driveway elderly i am seventy five years old and my sight in my reaction is not as good as it was ten years ago the majority of the people in the community are retired people police don't put him in an environment where they we are at the variance i'm sorry we have worked with mr herbert and these these plans are something that you know we need to look through with him to try to make a decision that you know what are the best what's the best move for the community we do not support lowering this two to building unit the majority of the units except for one building are four unit buildings that is the layout of the plan and that has always been the intent when the residents purchased these these units we were not finished we've had two developers that have gone bankrupt it was always the intent to finish these with four units but we were very fortunate to have mr her come in and take take our business i don't view this as as trying reverse trying to make a dollar or trying to make a buck  he is trying to work within the agreement that the condo association and the community put in place in the agreement was that he would finish the community out the way it was always intended to be built and unfortunately because as you know there was in it that you know an error in the original document which is you know when we turned the private road over to the township i mean that's our legal document that's our legal survey we have to stay with  unfortunately it was not correct and we're living with the sins of the past what we want to do is do the right thing for the community you know obviously the board has all of the community in mind and all of the residents and we are not making original issue was that we would we were going to take some space from the reagans driveway and that was an agreement that we would not touch as when we turned the road over to the township there was an agreement that we would not touch their driveway so when i was originally brought into this and received an e mail the only issue in the email was that the driveway should not be touched so you know while i hear what the residents are saying we had not had any discussions at least i have not as board president any discussions with mr or mrs right in or the court or mr court has about his concerns about the green views and the openness and the danger i think as a board we'd have to discuss that personally to answer the question i do not agree that it's that the way the buildings will come out will mar any of the openness it what it's going to do is change the fact that people who have not had houses built up against their houses will now be built the way the plan was supposed to be built and it will change their views do is look more thoroughly with mr herbert and with the rest of the board i did not have any concerns when i built in option two was my favorite in the one that i felt was more  been president for a year i was not privy should have been to the original turning over of the street to the township and was not aware that that driveway was untouchable so doug would not have had that information and so when i made him aware of that while i'm sure he's had plans again you know as more we don't really we told him what we wanted bill and we wanted the exact same type of home with the exact same plans he purchased the plans from that bianco and the homes were to be as close as they could to match what's existing in the community that was his charge so the reason there may be appearing to be some  because of the issue with the driveway so to again reiterate you know we represent all of our residents in the community and you know it has been fortunate that many people didn't have homes that were building that they had open spaces and there was a lot more a lot more room to maneuver but the majority of the community that has been finished out and has been in a normal quad situation has operated just fine and we have not had as far as i