required by statute at least to have specific policies and procedures to try to detect suicide ability but when they on their own initiative essence of the fair to training doctrine and i think this i mean the chemistry when we're dealing with the topic before the court that is suicide you know there are literally hundreds of the people of opinions dealing with know i think there are hundreds of appellate opinions which to me means that there are perhaps thousands of actual detainee suicides which of course never come before the appellate court and the jail staff as to how to detect the enhanced possibility of suicide i mean every detainee is a potential suicide it's sorting out those who are experience dictate that it's necessary to my reading that is what's required that is deliberate indifference and so my position is that whereas the county specifically adopts on its own initiative policies and procedures to detect potential suicide but then does not give that train to me this is a model example of the application of the that do the right thing that comply maybe not the statute but was certainly with case law but then don't do it and so my purpose is to clarify my position in case i didn't do it in my this analyzed in reverse there was a suicide therefore it was preventable and it would've been preventable if there had been some sort of nondescript amorphous  cannot have all of that the myriad information that might be available to arresting or investigating officers the county jail you know it's the end result of an investigation and arrest there are literally volumes sometimes of progress reports they are not review by by the county jail staff and they can't be it's impractical there are hundreds of people in county jail in any given time there are dozens in the lake county jail reliability it's for the entity that employs that person and not the county because that is the entity that has the knowledge that is the he has the awareness to pass on a peculiar situation or circumstance we includes suicidal issues the record the records information on this is that sparse only reference is to suicidal issues i cannot tell you what those issues were or or how i would very much like take that's your honor the county's position and basically the position of the courts throughout the united states is basically that well unless the detainee prior to committee should decide tells them that they intended to tell cause of action that's what the law in this subject to me at least basically it but i say that's not what the detect suicide but it in fact did show it put writing that's like a promise to society that we're going to do this but it didn't do that now to me it's perfectly itself should be looked at should be analyzed and has that been done mr solve and small certainly have been designated identified as a person with the enhanced possibility suicide while you're here that's all it was done in this case that's all that's ever done and that's all that ever will be done as long as a lawyer remains as it is in the other circuits and states in this country states and for planning purposes of all concerned we'll take a short break after hearing miller