but i think this is just a matter of people are going out and they're going to be open but is this killer black friday is there or is there a need to have be open on thanksgiving is there i read an article that said to make it more profitable they have to open earlier and earlier to beat other stores it's become a competition somebody last year was open at six o'clock on thanksgiving i remember it was kmart said they're going to open it ten a m on thanksgiving and stay open all weekend but they've really to try to drive as many customers in store as possible to be increasing their hours more and more more and i went out over the weekend and my wife turned to me and said we 're not doing this anymore this is out of control made it was and again they were promoting their stuff and i think it was cold we stopped in and they had some sort of advanced thanksgiving sales with the shortened season now they walk that over before thanksgiving now and we've brought it all the way back until just after hollowing and i guess it's better now i'm really not seeing much before following but you know eight o'clock at night november first those ads are up christmas time is approaching and i thought was funny and i mentioned earlier that you claim are yes the pre show kmart was opening up all thanksgiving day and people were up in arms let's boycott kmart you can't go there it's terrible i can't believe it and best buy now th there's just not the profit margin in products that used to sell anymore with as simple as it is to go to any numerous stores let alone just the internet it's really cut into everything they can do i mean they've had to shrink the size of their stores because it's too much space for what they have they've had to like you said find other avenues of turning themselves into phones stores because that's still something people don't really want to do online they'd rather go to a store front and like that and then they decide to become a phone store so now and you've already got phone store some carriers you know over i've got stores and and eighteen didn t mobile and sprint so there's so many stores out there for people to get their their items i mean best buys philosophy before used to be it was smart you had your last leader of music movies people came in that you know every week i pick up a movie or two and then they look at the t v and go hey let's see these on sale that's a great price i'm going to buy that but with a phone you know even in the best of times you can upgrade your phone you buy into those new things like jump or whatever where you can upgrade twice a year but most people are going to go when you know maybe every two years every three years almost people would jump would be going to the store specifically because if you're eighteen nineteen and jumping right you're eighteen t but think about best buy is they have all carriers and you can show comparative shop and pick anybody you want really i don't know d s or movies for video games until you get to the accessory type of thing so you need to sell the other items on think that's also what they're selling with phones i mean people don't just buy phones anymore you buy case you buy  things are still there i mean i know last time i went to buy accessories for something like that it was twelve fourteen eighteen dollars traffic leave one dollar two dollars things that are gone now i mean those profits are like you said they're gone but people are still buying things for their phones i mean we're buying you know holsters and display models and speakers and all sorts of things during that on that so even if i have a phone if i'm upgrading so it covers and i don't know i guess i've had i've had one experience in the black friday i think in my lifetime and you know i felt like the deals weren't they save ten bucks on a pair of pants be there at six in the morning doesn't seem like two in the something but but at the same time we're also at a point where security nickels are a big issue for us anymore where that may have been different for us five ten twelve years ago i'm not watching the ten dollars as well but what i'm getting at is though that there are so many deals all the time online and i guess i don't you know all these stores are always coming out of these retailers are dying and although driving past out those village yesterday packed i mean already even before black friday there's people going to the stores i just don't know if they're buying i think there's really as someone who's kind of a veteran of black friday after being at the store threw up in the morning today in their wait for everybody to come in  and see the masses arrive i don't really know if there's a difference a for the workers i'm already there three o'clock in the morning and i was working so i got my whole thanksgiving but you go to work at three o'clock in the morning are you really enjoying it o'clock at night so i had to go to work in a cup and it was a different right do you want to wait for it and it's so specific is it great i mean you might find a great deal but it also might just be i don't need that well i guess the question we're going to well i think is right another point here they're selling access stock things that didn't sell at regular price or sale prices and now they're trying to recuperate some of it again we're walking through toys r us they were selling what was the dollar cody simpson doll for a dollar and i thought to myself do we know anyone who likes cody simpson and my wife said i think that's the point no one likes simpson anymore that's why they're trying whatever they can to get rid of this joke and you know at least get something into the black on that people are going to buy it for three dollars anymore let alone a dollar so what i'm curious to whether or not and i don't know the answer this whether or not i would think it costs more money for a store to hold something and it store than it would be to hold in a warehouse and send it and ship it online so i'm just curious the advantage for a company like target that has a big online presence and a big retail presence that can sell either way if it more beneficial for them to be selling online or through a store i guess in the store you walk in you're to buy other stuff a lot of the excess comes in and week or two before hand  that a lot of it is stored in a warehouse and sold online and then you'd use the truck after truck after truck of stuff that you're saving and stockpiling because it's not just be there at three o'clock in the morning it's stay wednesday night until three o'clock in the morning setting  p for black friday sales we have to bring out you know possibly one hundred thousand pieces of inventory put on the floor for that day not just that but other things that are going to be big sellers regardless of the new x must docsis to a new p s system those are going to sell at full price no matter what so if you could bring someone in to buy a t v and you might take you know a seventy dollars loss on it but you're making up that seventy bucks because look we also have x boxes or we're taking them out because we're selling something else that people want to yeah i mean that's was also on your agenda but that's going to be the biggest price driver of who can get the most p s for snacks in stock is the company that's going to make the most profit this christmas season so you want revenue coming in i mean these companies now are at a point where they're realizing that markets getting smaller and smaller and come after christmas season one or two of these bigger stores will probably hit the skids and be no more so if you don't have that revenue coming in that's the place where people are going to invest any more i mean all those projections and flows that is a make or break for a place like sears a place like a marketplace like j c penney where were the other ones they were talking about real problems right now in the christmas season i can't imagine  only me a transition there but you know we talk a lot about netflix on the show but i want to talk about amazon getting in the game here in the next you know few weeks here i guess or the next few days they're going to be premiering their brand new series that they've produced alpha house which is political comedy with john goodman bait as which i guess kind of following in the big bang theory and make good television but are going to some three kid shows but i want to ask your opinion of us are dads time is limited to watch television i think so my question is and amazon is going to release i believe they're releasing a couple episodes and then they're going to do a week at a strategy for you and better strategy you think overall for people or is it just personal preference completely i mean i don't understand why amazon is doing it they probably want weekly people coming back routinely at a certain schedule for me personally i'd probably just wait and watch them all when i have time to do it but he said time can be the big thing i don't even actually have netflix currently because i don't have time to watch netflix what's the point of paying if you can't watch all the time but i do now four new marvel shows coming out to me perhaps to get netflix back all things considered i'm surprised that these basically online companies have gotten into the we were just going to read you movies and t v shows and other so much money in it to produce our own t v shows and put them out there that i think is the most surprising thing but it got to a point where cable got to be so disgustingly expensive for just about everybody that competition exists even if competition doesn't exist really i mean let's face it dish was never  to take down comcast as much they love to talk about those things and this is the new segment i mean a ten dollars a month for a premium add on service you know sort of like adding on to showtime or h b o twenty five years ago but i also think amazon has to do its own house of cards arrested development orange is the new black have all been brilliant shows getting tons of great prizes and doing the right thing right game of thrones on h b o dexter on showtime masters of sex on showtime  homeland on children all of those things are there and getting tons of airplay because they're good they're different they're they're adult and seem they're on cable networks for a reason but people are watching because they're good and if it sucks just there's always something else to one the scary thing is you figure and they even said this when when they're releasing house of cards that basically what netflix had to do was gain a million subscribers and they paid for the series pay for  the actual filming doing the work once you have the shows done it's the press the d v d s nothing and i think too there still is a misunderstanding about some of these services and how easy they are to get on your television i know a lot of people still to this day think that all of netflix you know you've got to watch that on your computer or something like that i want to watch it not realizing there's all these inexpensive devices and every device that comes out the interconnects the internet with your television a company that was on the ropes you know right three four years ago facing competition from blockbuster at the tour and that was and that's a mega corporation from twenty years ago now officially announcing its death right i've worked for all these their strategy as far as being forward thinking when i'm just not just reinventing but really responding to super complaints as well i mean think about the split of the industry to have that sixteen dollars versus eight and how all a lot of people heaped on it versus ten which is not a big jump and more than likely my cable bill is gone up more than that over the last year was the lack of online options but i was paying for two or three years ago for something i'm not using at all and a bunch of people abandon ship at the time but they had this forward thinking plan where they said we're also going to get this segment in and surprised i think everybody i mean i would say a year ago most of us with netflix is pretty dead and now is dying but now reinventing itself and having this new segment that will keep growing even in the face of losing all of those showtime pull all of their stuff from the watch from viewing disney i think did nick did i know you said that but now they've got this whole other of their own stuff in the fact that they can announce that they're going to produce for marvel t v show and it's a new one with disney i mean new brand new plots brand new habits i mean basically characters and people guess how many people really know these characters and characters that would not have succeeded in the market i mean would you have gone to see a film of any of those well we w that didn't go where they wanted to i mean netflix the cost of netflix doing it is potentially less than a big huge blockbuster movie the amount of money it cost to make a blockbuster in terms of just advertising for the blockbuster movie  angering so many people and basically took what they did best and said we're kind of going to abandon this a little bit and they're still have you know the service but we're going to put a lot of our eggs in this streaming basket mix metaphors and you know it's it's worked out really well for them i think amazon's got you know even though i think we joked on our pre show meetings about how you know amazon still to this day is not made a profit throughout the course of the year i think that's how it goes  that they still continue to you know plug along they're getting better they keep putting money into the devices the kindle devices and now this you know amazon instant and the prime video stuff i think it's very smart on their part speaking of being smart hey you know since we got both you guys are both big movie fans i thought we'd talk about the big upcoming movie you know holiday season big movies coming out of course the words arc roll just came out this past week and already pulled in eighty million dollars or a million dollars so it's only two hundred million to go to profit it a little bit it will make it easily worldwide d popular hunger games still is that's down to my two i think gore is not going to be a no although i'm going to say with hunger games i don't know but i was surprised i figured looking at the harry potter series as it came through to ensure they would make that but the first one i guess i read all the books and i watched all the way through them the first of that last one was a piece of garbage i mean it was warm trash and the last one was i wouldn't say good but it was decent it was respectable and watchable it doesn't matter catching fire is good or bad it will still make money now if it's decent it'll make more in the last film or i should say i'm sure they will break up the last two movie frog i thought it was excellent very very good as well as tangled which i thought was very very good but they don't have the legs that long term leg movement to it so maybe this