process we indicated that because of the state budget impasse at the time we weren't sure what was happening with gas impact fee so taking conservative approach we did not include it in our budget subsequently the they did a need to be pushed over to the program because why did my message here indicate it will be added to know from my own professional experience that if anyone goes to buy a home and this has a gas well is on the lot there's no bank is going to lend money for a mortgage in that situation even though the wells been kept in a situation like this once the well is off the lot of the developer builder has no obligation to disclose it and also more than likely the band of the bank would not notice it because they would not look outside the boundaries of the law to be conveyed so while it may not be simply create their own piece made into the open space over the top of the well instead of putting it someplace else that would have saw the problem great point and begin to make that little so little sliver end of our shift on average just so busy so in order to do that properly we want to put binder and at same point time we're doing our cutbacks as we're going to put a trench down the middle and then whenever we get done we want to leave about eight to ten inches whatever bar in the world are put in at the end of the finished project cap that lands could be known paved just like it is just suggests or councils or where i just want to make sure because i met with columbia the other day so they'll be that we work at night they'll be putting pipe work in then from six to nine the going to put road plates on in the morning to get rush hour traffic through then from nine o'clock to whenever they get the asphalt put in the ditch they'll be additional work just so everybody understands that there's going to be night work into a good portion of the day will be work to just to get the to the ditch line binder up and stuff so those someone more clarification going down if i were the meters are going to be located we're going to get to services or process the road want proper property as we're doing a mainline install because once we come in and do the binder we'll have to dig up your pavement  nine eight second managers discretion to authorize the fall appeals to core so that they can be done in a timely fashion those would all come back to council and you would have the opportunity of  you decide to withdraw that appeal but what it would do is preserve for that preserve our people in front of court and i was to do it in a timely fashion you know what michael has put up there is that you know  we now have been from the county the information they promised us we in essence have a excel spreadsheet that is the first cut at what the tax to make it looks like for for all of peter property and so you in essence they were mean ever taxed as well the thing it's the county situation is the same as ours where this gets all done there will be a number there will be an impact there and i don't know what that number is for the county where there isn't a says value for the county in aggregate and it's simply applying a rate against them and they will like the township in school district receive the same amount of property tax revenue it just will be coming from different people some people's obligation will go up some people's obligation go down low be some people in the middle sam can i ask a question about your proposal related to authorizing the manager to notify counsel by e mail if you deem that a property bill your concern is not a concern that there are going to be individual properties asked about and i'm just asking you from a legal perspective are we protected if we have to prove something  and i guess i have been asked to take a look at what they propose the power use the proposal that council will allow you to give you approve what it varies to let them know which one of you believe should go forward in the you're going to make a call absent their vote on particular property what i'd like i would say i think what we're looking worries authorization to be able to do that appeal in the wood form council as to what has happened and at that point in time at that next meeting we can report back and in the accounts disagrees with that we can take action in the public need to i guess my concern would be that number one do you need that time frame in terms of when you have to move forward like i could see that being one reason as to why you have to act that's what peacocke calorie suggesting that we may not have ample time to get to council and be able to file that appeal that's their concern so is i guess the procedure maybe the council need to be aware that if they decide they disagreed with appeal when you believe we should have counsel joined in that representation i think those are two different scenarios one who are taking affirmative action on our own to farm appeal without council voting on it that i don't know so is as time sensitive chance action would require a vote of this board and i'm more comfortable with the board voted on an affirmative we're going to file that appeal that may require and some instances the inconvenience of having to convene this board either by a special  meeting or if you can get some sort of vote that we can later condone later but i'd be uncomfortable five was the only one on the street then you decide the phone people and there was no public discussion before we instituted that and i understand why because we're in that may they have ruled against they have ruled in favor of the of the property owner and we want to appeal that decision so then you would have thirty days from that decision and certainly we would meet within those thirty days i guess this council want to review the basis for that appeal whether they'd be expert reports or some like the family past some synopses by peacock color as to why that made sense or not obviously they're going to provide that information to the manager and he's going to are we going to take their advice on the blinder you want to  that scenario you're talking mr sylvester about us falling in appeal right in that situation this is because it would be an appeal from the board of viewers than i would have been a proceeding that already went through the board of assessment and then we would have thirty days from they it is not our recommendation that the township should be at least in this initial year they we should be engaging in appealing residential or commercial propert township want us to authorize you are the system manager to participate in the board of assessment appeal that actual hearing or to the board of viewers here the first motion is good week and after we make that determination as to whether or not we're going to file an appeal when peacock doesn't have to do any work on that appeal until after we've made that determination because if if the board sustains the appeal and leaves the assessment as it is we do nothing we do and that we're not doing anything it would act even if they even have the decrease in but does not decrease significantly we're not going to do it for example when these the making a determination is t that is that significant and two is there justification and the only way to figure out whether there's justification rot is that actually go out and have those properties appraised which will not begin until such time as some he knew that that to avoid service is the right i just don't think we should be in a position where we're carrying legal fees early on in the stage to have them go out and build a case which we may not pursue where i guess i mean the first part of it but i'm not one hundred percent clear we're still what we're saying what we're saying now don't put your hand on your head but we're saying right now is that we right you to make the decision about which residential be seeking from the commonwealth financing authority the township will be kicking in ninety six thousand which is thirty percent match on the overall cost of the project and we're with the project for its  edesign and try to repurchase it this project this fall and winter for a spring bid next year but you were calling them you know we budgeted two hundred eighty thousand for that this year and my recommendation to meetings ago was to collapse over the winter it's one of those things where it you know it could stay there another two years or it could go tomorrow but if it goes it'll be kind of catastrophic so i was working with a workable concrete contractor are in a contracting that's  pressure off through the winter while we're working on the the design of this project we asked them for a quarter and they got a quote of fifteen thousand which i felt was reasonable i was kind of trying to get this work done for under twenty thousand so i think it was a reasonable a quote and i the way our purchasing manual reads is that the township manager would have to declare this no merge and see for us to not get three competitive quotes i guess my only problem with not getting trying to get more quotes is this time of the year it's tough to get guys out there who are available within the next couple weeks to go out and do a job like this we can certainly try to do that but i just with somebody already willing to do the work and capable of it's twenty five i gather up to probably engineering managers approval system with the if you get up to twenty five cents you get your offer through ten thousand more covering odds and ends if it's beyond that hopefully it will mean the only about all these other things with it reducing the space or just kick in the problem down the road that's that's what's happening what they determine is that they've been out to see whether there's an alternative space that investigated and rejected i do think it's a little unreasonable to expect that they would have the exact same opportunity as they do with the township because the township has been subsidizing that nonprofit for a period of time so i'm not sure i'd like to know also what they've potentially looked at and rejected because perhaps there's an opportunity with a piece of property or a house or a building or whatever they've looked at that would be more logical than retaining them on in the fire house but i don't know i mean there are great organisation and i support their organisation but i think we need to know everything that's potentially out there so i would like that information too but i don't know the risk you guys feel but i would like to see a schematic of exactly what they're proposing before we sit down with them because of what they're