hello once again everybody welcome to another edition of timeout for sports talk here at the belmont media center where we continue to be belmont's first and only live all sports talk show my name is todd long hours it is a wednesday night november the eighteenth two thousand and fifteen we're here live for the next sixty minutes taking your phone calls at six one seven four eight four two four four three again that phone number six one seven four eight four two four four three here live on wednesday night november the eighteenth  you can also follow us on facebook and twitter where i do update occasionally and twitter i've mastered the retreat so i do a lot of that kasia only i will post something original specially when we're promoting the upcoming show tweet out there that someone one of our loyal fans actually former crew member here used to crew for us regularly and he posted a tweet we'll get to that a little bit later when we get to some red sox conversation we might even squeeze in some celtics that's because the person sitting in the the co host chair to night who is not how we mccloughan this is a course you know rob malley very well he's one of our mainstays here and just to let you know how he you know how he's not been fired and how he is still around he just something came up tonight family matter so fortunately couldn't join us it was kind of a last minute situation too bad i know he always enjoys the thanksgiving show you know i think if for no other recent the inflatable turkeys and but good to have you here rob thank you so much for for joining us and he gets a move up a chair and i know i mean after like fifteen years or so it was nice i submitted my resume and i finally got the interviews saw it and feel good to yeah i don't know what they told you anyway we're going to start off course it is thanksgiving coming up soon and we were a week out from turkey day and of course you know there's nothing better around here of course than the annual belmont watertown football game this year they are playing it in watertown at a victory field and the actually the mc is not involved with the broadcast this year we're sorry to say we had a great time last year thanks to adam and lucas and a bunch other folks who kind of put that production together i got to call the thanksgiving day game tough twenty one point loss to those of those dreaded raiders from watertown and watertown looking to try to make it four in a row this year in the what is the ninety fourth meeting between these marauders trying to get back on winning track for the first time in four years and they've been on a little bit of a roll ately actually congratulations to two the marauders on their little last november run in the course coach cumin doing a great job come into this game at four and six looks like i guess they're not going to finish five hundred i know that was their goal they were shooting for but you know still it's been a it's been a rather good season of their season improvement for the football yeah and you know you look at it two years two years with a new coach and two years of improvement and that's what you want after you know a real down time for the program and you know if you look at the series against watertown over the years it's always been up and down you know if you you know seventy's and eighty's sort of went to watertown ninet six so i could say you know maybe had a little bit a piece of the pie back then but you know it's good to see the program you know getting back on track a little bit you know being a guy that you know got to play in the team i still you know check the paper you know every saturday morning after a game and want to see how they're doing and i'm happy to see you know the success coming back to the program and hopefully we can get a couple good years of performance again yeah sure i mean you know it's you know you're you talk about the rivalry and how watertown kind of dominated through most of the seventy's eighty's it's lead in the series again until their one nine hundred fourteen win four years ago which gave them a forty three forty two and five record against watertown now watertown's won the last three so they've struck back ahead by a couple games  you know but that belmont let's see if i'm looking for seven straight wins to its overcome but i mean it also took like you know what what's the math there sixty six years to come back and lead again in the series so it but it's been you know it's so they did well the raiders are you know they're they're playing well again so we guess there's divisions now which continues to throw you know i i have to but it was easy back when i was playing you played everyone the middlesex league in that way everyone was in the same division and nowadays it's  the liberty of a shot and again everyone's in different division so i think in the first half of the season belmont played middlesex league teams but in the second half of the season they were playing teams from you know within the division instead so it's a it's a lot different format than what they used to do but still they get some wins and you have a little momentum going into watertown and you know you have beat them in a couple years so hopefully the fires in their belly to come out with a big win on thanksgiving day and be a great boost for the program and for the town and you and i will both love our last show i want to give a shout out to belmont high school graduate and current watertown high school field hockey coach eileen donoghue and the juggernaut that she has over watertown high school with the field hockey team  maybe we could call them the new england patriots of the eastern mass high school field hockey right now they're the raiders are shooting for their seventh consecutive state championship which they will be going for on saturday right now they already have the all time record for consecutive wins at one hundred fifty nine and lost a game since two thousand and eight which is amazing because even back when i was in high school they were just you know they were doing the exact same thing then it's just amazing you know in a town where you can keep up that consistency and you know you there's always towns that have their strong suit you know and growing up you know reading was always a really good football and hockey town and so on and so belmont's always been a really good basketball town and but you know even things like that over the years this watertown program has been going strong forever and you know they continue to perform every year which is definitely hats off to the coach because you know the coach has the you know you basically for a high school board to be successful like that you have to start the kids out as babies basically and work them up through the system and watertown has been really successful doing that in a sport where you know most towns don't have kids playing field hockey at a young age and whatnot so she's been able to build a really strong program over there and it's paid off with you know national recognition yes exactly and of course it took it took belmont having to give water to tell you know the h s graduate class of seventy seven eileen donoghue with the you know so even watertown success you know is part you know it's due to belmont you know we've got the belmont tie in there actually you know what you're speaking of recognition too i thought it was very nice i caught this to give to give a plug for a local channel runner w c b channel five they do the big high five segment they did a special segment on the watertown field hockey team where the day they set the record and they talked about how many alarms how many of the girls from past years teams had come back to see you know back there to come watch the coach you know donahue set that record and they just talked about the whole communal aspect of of the field hockey team and just how you know what the impact it's had on so many so many girls and young women over the years you know it's a great it's a great thing for women sports and you know women's sports obviously you know with title nine and whatnot has grown a lot over the years but you know it's great to have show a team sox but he and we didn't really get into a whole lot of patriots stocks are going to try to make up for that this month here certainly the way the patriots have been playing i mean you know nine and zero in twelve straight wins dating back to last year you know you this is the defending super bowl champs usually don't start off nine in though and it's just that another incredible run for the boys of bella checked him you know what's impressed me is that just you know obviously i know there's been a lot of reasons they've been kind of you know on this little mission or whatever i know the you know where you want to call it the the roger goodell revenge two or whatever and you know it's still been great just how they've managed to stay focused on the game out of course the game on sunday gets the giants i mean you know they haven't you know and some of the games have been kind of sleep walking affairs for the for the pats where they're just so superior to their opponent but boy you know the you know the patriots bring out the best in the giants once again another great game at the meadowlands and this time the patriots were able to persever you know that was one of the highlight games to watch the c's yeah i was with it was the first game where all season i you know felt myself get excited towards the end of the game because you know the way the season's been you know it's been a cakewalk but even some of the games recently that have been a lot closer games you know as against the jets and whatnot you know that have been a little tighter even there were still points of those games where you know the patriots are going to come back and win this one but you know going into that game against the giants everyone i've been talking about all week the giants have the patriots number and you know all throughout sports you always have these dominant teams but there's always a team out there no matter what that has your number you can be the best basketball team the best hockey team you know the bruins through their great run recently have had a terrible time with the canadians as they've always have you know but you always have that team that you can't beat the giants have been that team to the patriots you know they tom cotton always coaches a great game eli manning plays well in the giants defense always plays well and you know the same thing happened this past sunday the giants played a great game they had a good game plan you know the pages had a little couple jurys it might have slowed them down but you know they had the patriots on the ropes and a chance to put them away but they didn't this time like they did the last couple times they didn't get that fluke play they needed the last couple super bowls in order to win they were able to the you know their big drive ended up just leaving enough room for the patriots to come back and win but you know it was great to see a team that's you know used to winning the blowout game able to respond and win the tight close game with the final drive you know and we've seen some of the teams go down the ladder you know you see saw the packers go down the last couple weeks where they've had chances for game winning drives and they ha able to come through the saints cincinnati bengals this monday night had a chance at a game winning drive and they were unable to come through but you know the patriots are able to you know they get the adversity they're able to stand up to it and then when they get the ball back for that final drive you know it's one of those things you know back you know when you think of larry bird getting the last shot you always had a feeling it was going in when tom brady gets up all the last drive of the game if there's two minutes left on the clock more than likely he's going to make something happen and you know that's when i was nervous but when the patriots got the ball back you know just after the two minute morning i was i felt pretty good about myself at that point as they were moving the ball to feel even though they were struggling on that drive right you know in the end that's a really good point because that was one of the differences from this game from some of the the other giants patriots games is that the patriots actually had almost two minutes because of some questionable clock management by the giants who normally are much better this but just to back up a little bit you know at a six minute mark you know patriots are up a point brady's got him down on the goal line he throws that interception and then you see that and then you see the giants convert first down after first down as they move back up the field and you're going to have watched the show before i've seen this one way too many times and i know how it's going to end and you totally expect the giants just to when they get down close they're just going to run out the clock kick a chip shot field goal game over no time left for brady do anything and instead a little bit of question well play calling from you know of all people to you know tom coughlin eli manning that they just you know leaving that extra time on you know throwing you know of course you know obviously malcolm butler had a little bit to do with that too tremendous play on the back of a junior to win the endzone yeah but you know the the thing about that game though is brady definitely didn't have his best game i mean he's basically been untouchable for the last going back to basically after that kansas city game last year he's been on touchable so over a year now and you know you knew he was going to have a tough game at some point but even for a tough game you know you don't you're not used to seeing brady fumble the ball when you get sacked or throw a couple of interceptions and he did that in  l teams that cave when that happens to their quarterback but they you know they didn't they were able to fight through it but you go look back and cough lin and you know his decision making there you know throw the ball i actually think often made the right decision because he brady got the ball back with enough time with their kicker he's going to move that ball up the field they're going to kick the game winning field goal he needed that touchdown to force them to go the distance down field so i mean i if they were able to run the clock down to get a last second field goal but they were the way it worked out they probably weren't going to get that anyways they might have been able to get the ball back with like a minute left instead of two minutes but you know i don't disagree with collins idea of being aggressive and i think you know as the see the n f l season started teams weren't trying to be aggressive against the patriots but the last couple of games now move seeing teams like the jets and the giants now taking more chances going forward on fourth down going for that touchdown instead of settling for the field goal because they know they need to get every point possible against the patriots right well yeah exactly right rob i mean you know i was a coffee knows i mean very well that you know you have to play that way against the patriots and but the giants are one of the few teams that are willing to do that and take those chances and also put together a strong game plan i mean you know just watching the giants off fence of did they go after you know they were going after the patriots third and fourth quarter by roxanne there they were jacking there you know wherever the holes were in the pages obviously you know jamie collins was sorely missed of this game defensively so you know they try to throw or run to spots where he would have been because they know you know jonathan freeman is just not in the same class athletically or or anything so you know right but they will do that in the day took the chances and like you said even going for the the touchdown on the final and so you know easy you're probably right rob when you say that you know they you know maybe it was it wasn't bad play calling on the part of the giants and i guess what you're really also saying is that maybe it's credit sabella check and his ability the way he used those  timeouts to north of the two minute warning a lot of coaches might have tried to save those and use them later but then would've been left with less time right and you think of you know an example that jets game a couple weeks ago where they poorly mismanaged their kwok in the final two minutes and they didn't get that opportunity that they needed to get to get a a winning drive against the patriots where you know they were let in they let a lot of clock run off in the final two minutes of the game where they should have started calling some time outs by the time they had gotten the ball back they're able to score that touchdown but then they had to go for quick onsides ki don't have enough time to convert after because they let too much time run down before they use their timeouts earlier in the game so you know it's little things like that you know where you're your coach and the experience makes a huge difference and you know once again bill wins and making the right decision at the right time i mean how many times to see mess up a decision like that it's very rarely you can i can't even really recall any of the you know maybe a couple he got out coach in a couple of playoff games against the ravens but outside of that you know he usually comes out at the end making the decision that wins the game right also not being afraid to believe tom brady with no timeouts you know because it's brady and brady will be calm cool collected you know a minute forty seven no timeouts that's fine especially when they only need a field goal to win the game so that gave brady you know just enough time and you could even see him in those final plays you know you know where is it you know watch the game where how he and his friend tommy and like you know they're kind of screaming at you know tommy's kind of delegates even cooperate hurry up that's the one spike it's like how delivering he's done it all year to stephen and i was really happy for him to finally get one of these kind of walk off moments adam vinatieri of course had a whole bunch of them and in a lot of people's eyes everyone's going to say that it's harry is is the better kicker and you know i don't want to necessarily i mean the earth were great i mean you know they're like the two top scorers in team history and you know it's just yeah i mean for him to finally get well the one of these moments and to me you know you could argue maybe this kick was was even more difficult than any of it series because first it was over fifty yar ds i don't think those are automatic i don't care what kind of like yeah but you had to do that with the clock running down like dad and you know even in hostile territory just it was just amazing you know and i was actually while you were talking about that i was thinking of  terry who's the better kicker right i mean it's really you can't really they're both you know almost hall of fame kickers you know i mean the only reason why i might give it to military is still because of the blows to kicks in the snow against all those are two of the most incredible plays  that you know a longer range so you know the discuss he might be one of the best kickers i've ever seen in the n f l you know jason elam was on always great with the denver broncos but he's kicking in you know the environment you look at guys like morning anderson one of those guys are always kicking in just consistent laying outside he does it over and he hasn't had the chance to hit the pressure kicks but that was a pretty big pressure kick right there and also there yeah and preserve an unbeaten season you know at that point you know you're tied technically with one other team for the first round bye and if you lose that game then you're right back with denver technically you know tied with them again so you know there's a lot on the line from that kick and he comes through on the road and he didn't hit it by much you know he just got it inside yeah the bog i mean he had that's just me but you're right accurate really hurt even in you know he had you know just such a clutch kick and you know i would like that is only going to help the moving forward is you know they dominated those games early in the season now we're sort of into the the of the n f l season where players there's more injuries as you know a lot more happening you know year it's hard to get up maybe for every game as you sort of know that you're going to be in the playoffs at this point you sort of gotta fight through these some of these games now and teams or other teams are playing have a little more on the line than you do it and disappoint so you know what gets harder as you go along but you know they are able to step up and come through and you know another big for the patriot well yeah no question just really team like the pittsburgh steelers they've had two kickers this year and i think for i think they're on their floor they are in the year and i think and you know if you look at other teams that have just never you know teams like jacksonville or whatever you have a new kicker every year it's amazing if i if i was born again seen around the rest of the league are not automatics but they are for kostecki i mean those are just some incredible you know i pop in the words that he's been he's been able to do it's just good for him yeah i did also like in the post game though the what he said afterwards any he really summed it up he keeps himself humble all the time and i love kind of how he said you know he was being a little hard of himself but he was also right how how the song when he comes the song to himself before he kicks well no no no the part where he was saying you just unbelievable and another thing to patriots i can't believe this that they've set an n f l record they've scored thirty five straight quarters they've scored in every quarter this year except the very first quarter of the season the first quarter of the pittsburgh game opening night i  not a reflection on the record but still unbelievable that regard but anyway so the phone number six one seven four eight four two four four three if you want to call it in that includes that includes our friend how you couldn't be with us tonight but it's trying to some ways the win against the giants on sunday was a little bit of a you know i my first thought was it was kind of a pyrrhic victory for the the for pats because you know they won the game but boy they suffered a really big loss and julian edelman i mean this is a team that's already dealing with a whole mess load of injuries you know bra having a rush because the office of line is swiss cheese right now i mean they're on their fifth and sixth tackles the line and then you know they lost lewis and who was one of their more dynamic often so play makers and now arguably you know their other really dynamic of for the start of the playoffs but still how do they get through the rest of the regular season without him because now no lewis no adelman i mean all of a sudden defenses look and they don't have quite as many guys they have to worry about like big guys still gronk i don't know but i think i think at this point they're going to win games they're going to have to win games differently and they're going to win games like they did this weekend against the giants or where you we're not going to be able to expect them scoring thirty plus points a game for the rest of the season they do have some games where that stepney going to be possible remaining on the schedule but you still have a lot of in you have a lot of division games left coming up and those are always tough no matter what especially right now if you look at the way the bills the jets and the dolphins are all right up against each other right now in the standings so you know they're going to be fighting for you know crucial wins to get themselves in the playoffs as they come down the stretch so you know they're going to have to come up with some they're going to have to maybe try to slow games down a little bit often civilly and take some longer drive sort of like what they did on that drive where brady threw the interception towards the end of the giants game  you know he they they had a long drive that they really killed about seven minutes they killed about six seven minutes on blocks so you know they have to slow down you know and it's time for the patriots when someone goes down the next person has to step up you know you you know you look point right speaking of stepping up we're going to go to the phone lines here at six one seven four eight four two four four three if you want to take a guess who this might be rob i would assume it's probably how if you figured out the phone number how did you schools that are going to be playing on thanksgiving at fenway as well which i thought was a nice thing to include include them in you know keep the football field up through the thanksgiving would give those kids a big thrill give them a chance to even question the home team a flashback to like about fifty maybe actually it was twenty years ago actually thinking about someone who used to always call into our show and that eventually ended up sitting in the seat your and rob certainly you know let's let's get rid of this conversation about sixteen and zero because i don't think that's happening without adelman they're going to lose a game somewhere along the way but i think on the bright side here you have to look at the rest of the a f c right now and think geez even you know they don't have to go  finish with the number one see that at this point i mean the teams are dropping like flies i mean look at the denver broncos they they finally get this all world defense and now they don't have a quarterback right and it's caught up to them you know and i think what everyone's seen it coming we've been talking about this for almost two years now that you know peyton manning i think the last time i was actually on the show back in september we talked about the fact that peyton manning just looks like than any player he's going to get hearten you know now he's got out of the lineup we don't know how long you know he's throwing he's basically thrown softball pitches when he throws a football at this point and you know his team can't trust them ease you know he's a it's really it's really sad to see at the end of a great career a player you know going downhill the way peyton manning is gone do you buy into any of the conspiracy theories like the timing of the manning injury like it happens like he gets pulled from that game right after he passes brett farve for all time passing yardage like i mean he played poorly the week before and he didn't get benched and then he goes out he throws for thirty yards pas and then he gets benched i just you know and thing is he's probably been playing hurt for a while but you know the truth is he's also just been ailing period and they just if feels like you know the coaching staff of the broncos you know kubiak has a hard time with just telling p manning you know you're not my best option a quarterback anymore and so it's always hard though to pull your you know your star player out of lineup you know when they're when they've gotten to the point in their career where they're not playing well anymore you know i remember when jason varitek was at the end of his career and wasn't pretty anymore seeing him in the lineup every day he couldn't throw anyone out he could hit the ball any more but they still kept william out there and throwing him behind the plate every day even though he probably shouldn't have been there you know it's hard to take you know there's obviously a big difference peyton manning but you know it's just hard to you know how many times reese were we talking about why is brett farve still out there playing you know when teams you know in teams like the vikings and the jets kept pay and the guy just show up and play every week when he couldn't play anymore you know it's just you know it's just hard especially in a sport where it's so hard to find that good quarterback i mean you look around the n f l and see so many teams struggling so you know even when you think of the patriots even though we have you know jimmy g waiting in the wings we don't know how he's going to be once he plays i mean you don't know what it's going to do and sure we might not see another quarterback you know the buffalo bills have been looking for a quarterback for over twenty years now you know and it's just you know you just don't know so teams like to hold on as long as possible and you know john elway is you know john elway went out on top on like by the you know he's a quad about one of the you know he knows what it takes and you know it's hard to yank that guy out here lineup because you never know when you're going to find a good quarterback again yeah you're right and this is why we should all be just grateful as patriots fans to be able that we get to watch tom brady play week after week and year after year and he's looking better than average age thirty eight all you just have to think of look at what the patriots were like before drew what solved i mean that's thankfully i you know is that once he's got friends in belmont he's probably not going to be aware we said that i was just about to toss it back to seamus to see if he had any thoughts about this but you know apparently we've lost seamus he's hung up on us but we do want to thank seamus for the call you can call two six one schedule here will throw that up again let's look at let's look at these games and take a second i mean that this is just one of the worst seasons of the n f l of ever seen but nonetheless look at that schedule total there you go well ok you got the bills coming up monday night of course and then now the game at denver while i was what are you going to get there yeah well right we might get brock os wyler's what we by gad which i doesn't really and still a lot of fear in my heart maybe not in the patriots defense either eagles seem to be up and down they chip sanchez is going to be their quarterback for the next week or two and which may or may not be a blessing i don't know there because bradford wasn't any great shakes the way he'd been inconsistent i guess the rest of that schedule yet texans titans jets and dolphins and the you know the ones i see there i mean the bills could be scary at this point and the jets i mean those are the two games if they're going to lose i think they would lose one of those but so you're falling into rex's bluster like you should be fearful of  and then they'll be super bowl champions and then they'll just fall apart afterwards but you know if they're going to lose it's probably going to be one of those division games i would i would assume or if you get to week seventeen and everything is locked up and they decide to maybe if we were playing the pittsburgh steelers now or a team like that might be a little different but my point i think they still have i think they still i'm not writing that off yet if they don't get it it's not going to be the end of the world some people freak out but you know they still have a shot to do  games in the league eleven team eleven road teams one of those fourteen games you don't see that very odd that so it's pretty rare and just looking around here i mean all these teams we thought you know denver all of a sudden is two games behind the patriots so you're looking at that game as long as the patriots you know take care of business against the bills this week you know worst case scenario i mean even if they lost to denver they're still baseball the game lead on them for the top seed in the conference cincinnati what happened to them at home on a monday night well it's houston but what it taught in cincinnati and they always i thought that was up and reading you know the you know the a f c just there isn't there's no team that scares you i mean the i'd still be still be afraid to play in the ravens compared to any other team in the ravens are having a terrible season and you know you know it seems like everybody every week is beating everybody you know you know jacksonville come out with a win where you know you think oh how is this team and they do and you know the oakland raiders are looking good like a up and coming team for a while now they've lost a couple again you know there's there's no team in the a f c that really scares me i mean cincinnati still has a lot of you know good players but they just always you know i could if they had lost a shootout or something against the texans i understand more about it when you have a quite a back and of run game right i mean they rely on him nude and he doesn't have a lot of options to throw to cover greg olsen that's half the battle their defense is pretty decent him have a good defense but you know physically in the middle of the patriots though for like you know i get more i get you know i'm more afraid of a team that's going to be able to throw the ball down the field on you the whole game than a team that's going to run the about one of those teams the green bay packers what's happened to them i could understand going to denver at that time when peyton was you know healthier and you know going to carolina where carolina you know both those teams are very good at home and both those teams run defeated going into those games so i can understand that but then the packers come home they play the lions who have not won a game at lambeau since one nine hundred ninety one and and they're having zinj you know he's their big receiver and you know is that catching up to him now you know that's catching up to them you know the patriots are still the only team that can survive injuries somehow or other teams you know you know spoke at the dallas cowboys ever since romo got hurt they haven't won a football again until someone's actually good yeah that division because i mean they kept that division together too without that the real i was there all awful and they're all on t v so i want to see the seahawks even you know i want to see another decent game over these games every they're awful they're all of have not had enough of them it is the only division when they know that we're living in that we're living in the early ninety's yeah and when they will in two thousand and two when they realigned and went to the eight fourteen divisions you know there was a chance everyone geographically who was out of place got moved into the right place to visually speaking if i can say that you know but the cowboys did in dallas is still play going to get to see east with these teams because of the rivalries like you said rob it's all about the rivals you know i'm sorry the a f c south wins it for me division now is a law you know people were saying all the colts might get in the playoffs with a seven and nine record but all of a sudden you have the texans are put a couple of wins together and they're tied with end before five jacksonville put a couple wins together as well so you know there's teams that are a step or two goal and have been able to recover from that super bowl last year at what you know what teams that lose the super bowl the next year they always struggle lot of struggle just to make the playoffs right now not the winner of the but in the even when you're but even when you win a super bowl you have a hard time getting back in the playoffs true going to help russell wilson it seems like it's not only hurt wilson it's hurt jimmy graham i mean neither one of them are productive anyone what's happened there but so the anyway the defense comes up sunday night makes a big plays against arizona they get the lead in the fourth quarter you think they're going to roll at that point and then all of a sudden here come the arizona cardinals coming back on the road carson palmer i mean he's good but you know he's not the kind of guy you expect you know in that atmosphere in that environment to to rally his team back i mean i think part of it is bruce ariens is really just a tremendous job there which of course brings us back to indy thinking maybe they kept the wrong there they let the wrong coach go alternately but yeah i mean you know i people talking in the power rankings that arizona might be the best team in the n f c right now and they're seven into  you know two games behind carolina but they have been playing well and they you know they seem to be a well rounded bunch with a good coach and they have a you know they have a concert it's not the office is going to blow you away gets the job done and then you know arizona even for all the years they've been so bad they've always been known to have a pretty solid defense down and you know that and all of a sudden that division the n f c west was division for a couple years which you know arizona was good san francisco and seattle now all of a sudden that's looking like a weak division is well you know it's not know if some of these teams make it in that you know if you get teams like minnesota and arizona over teams like seattle and green bay i'm going to my confidence levels are going to be a little higher going into a super bowl type game will bring this back to the patriots to talk about you know the injuries there they're having to withstand i mean some good news is i apparently some of the injured have linemen were practicing today so with any luck maybe they start to come back i think that's going to help take a little less pressure off brady wouldn't feel don't flash after that buffalo game he well he started picking up and made me have it he have cats a game with seven catches i believe so if you get that out of them in a game at this point you'll take it and go with it you know but then on the defensive side we you covered it earlier but now come bottler the way he played on odell that community that was that was the best he's played all season outside of that outside the touchdown early in the game which is more mccourty spall true but think about that too he could have taken some of the i mean i'm sure he felt bad about giving up that big play to back you know if you look at some of the guys the patriots have had prior reavis back there when you know the previous two or three years with a pitcher cover anybody there was never a back in sight on these receivers but at least if he's there then he's going to be able to adjust and figure out how to make the plays and you know when he broke up that pass in the end zone those part he was right there and it was textbook he got the hand on the ball and knocked the ball out some people think it's a touchdown i didn't think it ever was because he never got the he never made a football move once he you know the ball was knocked out pretty quickly i thought as the second foot was coming down rob the ball i was it was a great play it was a textbook play and a lot of guys in the n f l can't make that play so you know it was a great move by him and he shut down the best he's the best receiver in the and he's just so tenacious he fights and he never gives up you know a lot of quarterbacks early on they get burnt like deferent eighty seven yard touchdown and the rest of the game you know it's in their head and they're in there has a taping or whatever and this guy you like it's like a relief pitcher who blows a saver or a goalie gives them a you forget about it you move out of the next play and that's what he does and you know you know he may be right i mean where is a lot of guys who have that big interception to save the super bowl that was like a once in a lifetime play in a lot of a lot of young players who maybe aren't still the stars would have looked at and said this is my moment i'm going to milk this for all it's worth he went out there and said you know what no i'm going to prove to everybody i'm not a one player guy like a one play guy that's not going to that one play isn't going to be probably will to fight his career ultimately but he's out there to try to prove hey i can actually play every down and i'm in every down guy i can defend i can come and you know bellatrix just got to love this kid and i draft a whole the whole defensive back unit i thought i think they've played really well and people are talking about it you know i you know it's not browner it's not reboil going on in mellow out overly crazy mother crazy about their they're not getting blown away you know that they're giving up some plays but they're not getting blown away they're doing enough to get by and win and i think even a player like logan ryan who used to be logan ryan used to was that you know it was that closure that came into the baseball game and yeah it was going to give it up right he was but he's been getting he's been improving the lot over the course of the season where he's made some good plays as well so they're the d backs are doing enough and maybe then some to get by and when compared to you know maybe spending all the money that people want them to spend on brown or look at you look at brown or he's on the worst offense in the n f l right now i mean he also leads the league i think in most penalties committed to that was same thing when he was here drew it got away with it more here that the you know the defenses played fairly well not been pretty pleased with the way the defense all those aligned with backers to you hope jamie collins can come back for us virus i mean i guess and then just be able to get you know the front guys getting pressure on the quarterback and hopefully that's going to be how they have to win some of these games down the stretch in the to step up a little bit more let's think we want to try to change a little bit of gears here as we're getting down to the last chord of the show but if you want to call and talk patriots or kind of top prospects but overall i know there's been some argument you don't trade this much to get a closer but i'll take him as one of those elite closers he's still only twenty eight years old i mean he's got the proven track record they need help and i mean i know they need help in the rotation but they also need more help you know if you look at the way the red sox season ended you know they had their lineup playing really well in the second half of the season they and their starting pitching actually pitched somewhat decent in august and september i know that that doesn't mean anything at all but it was a little most important thing for this team first was that i know you need that top end of the guy but without a bullpen the top end of the guy rotation guy isn't going to matter at all you need that birth plan and you know so dombroski who the torricelli is known for being a good bullpen builder i mean those bullpens he's built in detroit over the years where they are good but he goes out he takes some prospects which you know basically the prospects that he trades are positions that are filled by young players on the red sox right now so you might you get him and now you've got you've got that solid god now all of a son you know you're going to you're going to get the you are as the son of man in me i guess before they made the trade farrel met with you hire and said that you go you're going to go back to the eighth inning and you are said you can count on me so obviously he knows he's at the end of his career but sure you can get if you can get another season out of him as a sudden man to be and he was a great set up man you know prior to becoming the closer you get him in there there you go that's pretty good to have and you get to that maybe take a throwers because that's where they seem to be lacking right well you know i i don't know if you about utah but i watched almost all of the playoffs this season and you look at the teams that were it you know the mets the royals the cubs all these teams have young pitching and they all throw between ninety five and one hundred and the red sox have all these young pitchers and they all throw ninety to ninety five it's just amazing that you couldn't find a guy that could grow you know in the high ninety's the red sox haven't pulled brought up been the red sox have not brought up a hard thrower probably since roger clemens almost i mean i can't think of anyone since then you know so it's amazing that they can't do it so you've got to go out and find that somewhere because i think that's the key especially nowadays when often you know is on  downswing in baseball you want that guy that can blow you away let me ask you this which a stew you are which top line starting pitcher do you see dabrowski go after you know the top line pitchers out there are good pitchers is not one that there's really not one that says oh you've got to get this guy you know obviously everyone says david price i mean he's all remembered with price and kwaito the don't know what draft pick compensation you want to give up on the salt price i mean you know millions price is a great he's a great regular season pitcher hasn't done great in the playoffs over the career i'm the kind of guy that doesn't always buy into that it's you know i thought he pitched ok in the playoffs this year he didn't get one support and so yeah it was that he needed i agree but i just you know if you get him in the right situation with the right oftens i'm sure he'll be ok but he just hasn't set that yet but you know so you can take it i'd be ok taking a chance with him than kwaito i thought kwaito up and down in the playoffs but he has great stuff i mean and he's carried he's a charismatic guy that you like seeing out there on the matting that worries me about  struggled in the second half with the royals against american league teams struggled in the first two rounds of the playoffs against american teams had a great game in the world series who was that against oh a national league in right the match through so just so you know i'm a little scared and i think there might be some a guy that really felt you know he was you know big last year and he sort of fell off the face of the earth this year so you know there's a lot they could do or they could still try to find a team that's willing to trade a pitcher and you know what we're running really low on time our last thought here i want to we've got one more year of him we can look forward to that and maybe maybe he'll get to finish on top like he wants to that's one of the reasons i mean you know hope i think they're going to have a team that will be able to compete but you know what can you say he's probably the he's probably the greatest red sox of all series and you know he was the reason why they won all he he was the reason why they won all those world series he didn't ride the coattails he came through in the clutch every single time he was ever asked of it in the playoffs and in the regular season just every time he was well he's like you know when tom brady gets the ball back on sunday you know he's going to do some when david ortiz gets in that batters box when the game's on the line you know he's going to come through and get that big hit and you know he's still doing that at this point of his career and you know all he had  thanksgiving thanks to the entire crew at another great effort and we will catch you next month