forty five subsection forced to restrict now there was no need on filing recorder's office evidence saying that nancy or anybody else had and ownership interest in that so that's an important carol said was that that video will all on file in the circuit clerk's office amounted to an other record of interest so now we says and twenty today ashleigh five so the real force is proof by a person holding a recorded ownership interest or other record of interest in the property that he or she was not named as a burden would we be placing upon her somehow sure it's her ownership in this property was the talk of going to step back and try to answer that quest out notice take notices to all more number of people well he did that because he wanted to get noticed to everybody and there may have been some people that the ultimate league did not have any ownership interest in the you know what somewhere i have my own process william jones who was not an owner of the name that i think they may have to do that to the effect that no one ever contacted me regarding the on the ship of the subject property i lived in the immediate area my entire life he doesn't  to anticipate from the previous case that the county farm ground case and i was here on the constitutional arguments about it being no this i couple of points i want to bring up first that really wasn't think this case can be decided what's before you right now quite frankly i filed my motion for summary cross motion for summary judgment based upon the fact that they should not be proceeding under twenty two dash forty five subsection is too restrictive and that will on file not reported on file in the supreme court's office amounts to another report of us now three cases i want to point out because everybody really that are distinct one is the issue about nancy jones who was named under the will of gertrude jones in a class a gift that went to her treats the grandchildren in that particular probate case are search the probate records and the records in the requires office would have led to the discovery of nancy i without a great deal of difficulty because i was a book erica i'm looking for some whatever because that's where people who are concerned about interest in real property look well he says that there's just something in the circuit court's office said we've got this estate and probate stuff that's not good enough obviously you're saying it is good enough what case supports your position that if there's nothing on file recorder's office that it's still good enough he's got to go check probate states well i don't have a that records in the circuit courts office of checked as a part of real estate transfers i mean probate records are routinely checked when people pass away they're typically many times there isn't something recorded in the recorder's office that's not a requirement under believe i don't believe your honor that that that would have necessarily indicated by name who the particular persons were or it would have just said that there was a probate proceeding filed in a particular county and a recent years yeah we're fairly recent vintage prior to that time you know abstractness and other people checking records if they discovered a death would go and see if there was a probate case on file or if courts office under the statute to determine you know what the title to the real estate would be so i think there's a whole class of people just carol i think recognize this is really there's a whole class of people out there who would have an interest that's recorded with a deed or something in the recorder's office not a very interesting real status recorded in the records office in the form of  i believe that was the the lake county i think it was the lake county case that muscat case where one of the years there mickey muscat hankins had not received notice of the tax proceeding and in that case the court had said that a person who was a devotee in a state would have an interest sufficient to require that they be given notice of a tax or city i mean that seems logical your honor all whole class of people receive interest in real estate as dead as he's under will that happens all the time the ownership interest of the property yes but the thirteen girls were sent to him as a bit of convenience well i guess the world is that well the tax bills you guys were were sent out i believe if i remember correctly tax bill well i don't know exactly what happened your honor why then shouldn't we reverse the summary judgment and son this back and say you know us a factual questions here and we're not sure what the hell's going on as you figure doctor well i don't think that's necessary here judge that the record shows that mr jones william jones did not know him interest at one time it's clear that but he did not a stranger to the real estate it's a bad quip well i think it's not adequate your honor because the when you give notice under the tax code the notices that are required i mean other than twenty two five which has to go to the person the i think that happens all the time i mean it's like anything else where you're where you're dealing with real estate i was here at that time search performed to determine who was interested in the proper the agent for the owner or it would be good enough to provide notice i still think it's enough for the other notice that's required in section twenty two t n because that section says the owners have to be given notice owner's occupants of persons interested in the property all of those people have to be given this we're talking about a situation where in this case a real estate tax of maybe four to six hundred dollars and gone and paid and if that isn't redeemed then forty acres of farmland is going to be a wast because they have the nonpayment so i think the reason the tax code goes to those links is to make every effort to protect the owners from losing their property so these various people have to be notified you know perhaps one person isn't they are not you know they haven't been as careful as they should have been about seeing to the payment but the other owners then can take steps to make sure that taxes get paid i don't know mr jones i think in this case mr jones probably had originally received the bills because he a part owner of any live closest to the real estate and he was the person that farmed it for a number of years when he no longer had an ownership interest i think he just continued to get pass bills as i see as the affidavit indicates as notify them of the current situation property taxes on time they've been purchased by a tax purchaser and if they're not redeemed and you're going to lose your property just because you got the bill and maybe you thought somebody else was going fourteen or one preceding years later well i think that i still think that she would have to be served separately it would have to be proof of service on her as an owner not for some other already because i don't know i'm not aware of a case like that i don't know that it would be sufficient i think the owner would have said so that's what the statute says the owner centile it so that maybe that maybe through an agent if there was an actual agent there's no suggestion here that there was an want to comment thirty five miles yes two hundred slash twenty two dash twenty is the publication of some revenue station three quarters of the way down it's sense if the owners and parties represented in the really know if he had lived at one point in time at that address that the take notice was directed to we just know that from an affidavit he didn't live there at that present time the he a jones doesn't have a record interest or other record or have a record of ownership or other record of interest in this don't go down that road the only grounds she can picture the stack steve is by fraud that my client somehow committed fraud not getting noticed all these good one that the same requirements of what a title search would be for purposes of the terminating ownership if you want to buy the property would be the session if it quietly go through the  the statute is very specific and unambiguous and since we were all worship or other recorder if they took out that circuit recorder and just said or other interest in the property then i think that directs t