for four and one of one  the church behind it protect the gateway you know to and so ultimately does not become like sort of like our agenda preserving you know that view point and then that like primary want is to protect you know there's agenda i think becomes the question of how do we put that number any words right and you know then there is the difference between what would be in the zoning and what's in the town plan so the town plan is more y were have been talking about the districts and you know here's what we what they are here's what we want them to be and then in the goals section will be like here's how we think we're going to get there so you know would be to rewrite the zoning to reflect  well i mean i can i can tell you cost wise i mean i have a client in those falls i mean it's like one hundred thousand dollars for them to bury fifty feet of primary i mean it's aware of what car sells so works what we're trying to figure out tonight is what we need to do to this language and the land use chapter to reflect  this change and so i think we're good with everything until we get to the commercial district right and everything about commercial in village center so here is what the chapter says right now and that's the current description of the town plan i put this in a document that has the description of what the zoning some of the mass that was changed a little bit and not the last time around so just to keep that in mind so we probably need to put a sentence in there or do we sing the limpid used to be the southside is no longer or we know we can't because i concern that it was a take away but if you look at the things that are allowed it it isn't it's the same size because i was concerned about that but it's the same acreage so  i think i think what you can do is have something about how we want to have things off to fifteen right so i think there is day here is what it is but here is what we wanted to be and i think it's off north main street rather than ridge fifteen house that you're talking about access yes i have business x our access i session access to properties in the commercial district yes i think i think having a discussion about this unique character of group fifteen you're having a paragraph about because it's not just about the commercial districts that you're talking about the overly so maybe it's  so is this the place for it well it's the description of a commercial district i think it part of the commercial district but maybe there is maybe it's at least a new paragraph for its own paragraph the commercial district will fall fall on fall and fall under while a portion of the commercial district oh right following the portion of the commercial district along a longer fifteen will fall under the proposed overlay i don't i don't know scene and encourage development to be set back from the road as much as possible there's this current language and  know that's where we want to know we don't in the land use chapter refer to any of the overlay districts but the other overlay districts are pretty basic should we make things more complicated i think that really does belong in the lead here section so we've got the the river overlay district we've got the natural resources overlay district nowhere in the town plan do we talk about the well head protection so those are all pretty straightforward but maybe this is their opportunity to describe the scenic overlay district so yeah so a new section i think it i think it's a suspicious group it's a good place to put it well i think we should all since it's only in the commercial district no it's not up to the commercial district so it should go to the beaches it goes at the at the end the end we've got commercial then we've got perhaps some of the village center district office and at least the other i think the other end might be kind of covered with rivers i th i mean you could say instead of that it has to be residential scale it could be it should be in character with the residential care of the area i think i like that  the residential character of the area it sounds like what we're trying to do is make the course of district not of course district like yeah i don't think it has to be in here it doesn't necessarily but we will need to that's something point i want to make sure it includes the right side of the road up here by the school all front yard for a row residents of thirty five village twenty five commercial fifty years thirty already thirty is it a longer fifty is a long wait fifteen anything that's built it's going to extend beyond that to be like correct but if you look at the existing buildings out here you know where i'm not talking about starting necessarily right here but things are pretty close to the just back to that commercial district where you had several things you know what about other areas like if the commercial district is going to just be m one side of the road the other side is residential so maybe that doesn't doesn't of that is already developed the truth is there really is that one par and you know i don't you know not a parking lot so you can in the village district you can have multifamily dwelling more than two units you can also have around personal professional services wondering about though is that it's the village district does allow more than residential so when somebody wants to put up a doctor's office do you care what that looks like or where what where the parking is that in so maybe it does impact where it's the commercial district so there's an overlay that has to do with maxing parking that the funny the funny part about this funny part is by requiring parking in the rear that may push the building closer to the road which defeats somewhat of what we're trying  idea of the overly disturb your have some questions about it's necessity and it be and maybe maybe and maybe too too specific what you're saying right now but i think there's there seems to be some agreement of certain things that but so maybe i don't really district still is appropriate but just not is as specific as you're right i really worry about i'm rethinking the need for it overly so i of the railroad character of the poor will be enhanced by carefully planned development and urban strip development will be avoided excess should be carefully managed and internal circulation her and her green space landscaping discreet say requiring greenspace landscaping to screen parking from route fifteen and other character of the neighborhood criteria must be met in order to retain the character of neighborhood criteria must be met in order to preserve the rural character of the community and the view of the mountains so i still think there probably should be something in here about the existing overlay districts even if it's just a no there's a little bit protection there is well you know there could be an implementation strategy saying that you know overly district or consider an overlay district or get area or something to that which doesn't require you to do it but i think you would you be willing to do a little blurb on the current overly yeah yeah it's a good thing those really should be  think i thought i remembered having some direction to try to separate out the different ones i was having a hard time coming up with good descriptions of each because i think it's important to of you know just like we have done and the other districts describe them there is a general description of the village center district you know sort of in the beginning part which gets at a lot of what they are district thank you so most of this is the first two paragraphs are taken directly right and that really hasn't changed i don't think any of us had issues with that with the first two paragraph that i think that's explained some would actually jerk of the owners doesn't talk about the fact that there may be that sentence just doesn't need to be there yeah i think would be helpful to have a sentence of why the character based zoning was adopted like what the benefit because still wasn't persuasive enough an argument against it now because it we say what it is but no one really why and it's a pretty big change from last time planned so i think this is an opportunity to s we develop it may be more modest in scope than in the other town centers is that necessary since we've already said growth opportunities may be more limited  but the the goal is to have that's why we have no except hers is for people to live in the village centers that's you know one of the first things that we talk about in the town where is the contact village center is separated by this doesn't prevent somebody from putting so maybe evaluate whether under the current regulations jericho's projected population growth will occur maybe leave up the number because it's not going to be fifty percent but you know what that fifty percent like what's where did that come from yeah i wonder if that was driven by the regional planning commission they used to have i don't think of it you know they had they had the housing targets so that could have been a except i remember that we pretty much projected their housing targets we said that's nice it's not realistic it's not happening but i think that's really not realistic so maybe can new science in action project that was done they did a pretty big inventory of a lot of you know pretty much all the natural resources including the forest cover and soil more attention to where those are and you know at least be having a discussion about whether we want to let you know i think there should be a map so everyone knows where they are and then have a discussion about whether they think it makes sense to have  for protection should there instead be some sort of test in each pacific example to prove out whether they actually are primary or  sandy all these certain things so when he looked at the property to purchase it he was under the assumption given all the state that it the state about the soil about the soil and what he was going to be able to get for septic right any proved to to protect them from anything they will do i don't know i mean we do have references in the natural sources yes and i'm not saying that i want to protect them i just want to i want us to know where they are and i want other people to know where they are and to consider to protect you know i don't know you know do i personally yeah but i but i'm not saying that that we as a playing commission should be recommending that but i'd like to be able to have an educated discussion and i feel like we can't be sure because we have no idea and are we talking about small amount of soil that's actually playing back in which his yes we really want to protect it or is it like we've got tons of it i'm really don't need to worry about it right now where you know we know all of our developments happening in the agriculture district as you know can we can we is there information about prime ags wells that could help us you know change how that development happens  maintenance of the lease a program it doesn't so the the growth center designation i think we've done you're right we've done all the growth center designation that we care so think there's not much to to change  know that was the one thing that it one point we all agreed on not this the previous that the residential district should not be extended i don't know if that's really an implementation two should not be the regional thing but three point two should be preserved because natural areas you know i don't work and it's a character thing ok and then  includes the view of you should man still and it includes natural resources and it includes the scale of development and ok so what sort of language point one will be preserving natural resources in strategy three point two point two will be preserving the you sheds and i think there's a scale the scale of development third one is the scale  little what other and so it's i think this is the place where we say consider the adoption of a scenic overlay district we don't have to do it but this is going in there so that if we see that we could do it any way that doesn't have to be in there that would be one of the implementations so we've got so another so this is that's a strategy that's preserving natural feature what something about fences for cows make sure nobody's out there hurt our primary ok so that's that's for implementation and catherine you're ok with playing around putting them in english yeah so so protect resources but also to have smart develop it has to be there it's too it's the two sides well maybe this is the place to say consider limiting the size of consider having a maximum size for buildings i'm sure i don't agree with  with character of neighborhood criteria and definition definition sorry say again consider considers owning that includes in quotes character of the neighborhood or the district we may change the district definitions and criteria to catch john with this place to considering other locations in town for commercial development first i thought was of the way that it's currently i'm just looking to see if there's anything in the economic development section that says not that it can but i think to be more specific to talk about opportunities for commercial development because that implementation to be where it is a little bit because it's time is because it's hard to read everything with a fine tooth comb and do it all this a group but assigned to each of us or pick sections that really are going to go resonate with us and that will really study hard and then come in and discuss it right yet because we don't have that many meetings doing we still have the natural resources section of the energy energy ok yeah i don't think we'll have time or can we look at the schedule again i haven't updated that real recently expires february seventeenth so you know they technically would have at least one more meeting in february where they could have a final hearing be pushed back so we we might have a meeting where we can move all of us ok that would be helpful so i will not be here on the fourth i don't think you need me for discussing the energy might be better if you did it without me here so you could rip it apart has natural resources been submitted you know i big i didn't hear back from them again they told me the end of this month was their goal  would think i'll get in touch with them so that possibly could be ready for the next meeting and i can find that out in the next couple days and if it's not we could do transportation as well since it still needs to i was not there for all the meetings but on the other hand if you want me to be here to answer questions about it we've got to put up with the question yeah i guess you really do that you and i can also see if someone from the energy task for but again don't change things i'm just one person leave the implementation peacefully we do want to have that as a separate going i think that's a good idea going back and in reviewing all of that that's kind of the last time you know and there were a couple  chapters that we needed to just poke back into after talking more about that the survey oh yeah i think we did that briefly after the survey attention though i mean you can't so you're saying about separating after you can do it without reviewing i mean how can you accurately review implementation without reviewing that chapter i wonder if it makes sense and because there's so much yeah the last game and it was the idea of having some assistance and thinking through the commercial district regulations i feel like things are a little bit more up in the  with overly district and commercial district you know what with you and i think about that i'm just back up a little bit when when i was thinking about having some assistance and wouldn't the light that the riverside zoning which it sounds to me like that happened outside of a lot of your input completely and that's my my thought was more we would work into the  away and it would be it would be built into your meetings that makes a lot of things i think we've sort of know i think we've got we're you know place where we're shaping the course of district language for the town plan but but people still agree that there needs to be there wanting changes changes made to the zoning that reflects sort of where we've gotten to in the town i don't think they're very big but i wonder if having more information about the potential for other types of for development in other areas such as along one seventeen would help clarify what should happen in that district because right now it's the only place in jericho you can have a certain kind of business but if we determine that there are other places in jericho where you could have as this is a might make more sense to have those diseases than just tucked in that little 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