ok the purpose of this evening's public hearing is to review and accept comments on the proposed ordinance that amends the zoning ordinance relative to electronic sign regulations in residential districts deceiving sure it was advertised in the observer reporter on september the eight it's a temper fifteen hearing notice was placed on the bulletin boards a website and on cable television co take action this evening depending on the comments received at this hearing prior to accepting comments mr sylvester will make a brief statement followed by testimony from staff and consultants and then audience comments thank you and fifty square feet but in the r y m district the maximum size sign is twice square feet so that would be that if somebody wanted to put in electronic message board sign it would only be ten square feet now and then only for institutional and governmental signs so there's a very limited number of properties here would be affected by this this would include peace lutheran church does out requests for a sign saying david's a preschool church which currently has a sign the fire station and the high school which have high school also has a sign both of the ones with signs hundred square feet which is the same thing that peace lutheran would like to do and the other thing is in the r one district you can't have the colored scientists only the black background  questions specifically on our use for the sign i'd be happy to answer those questions as well anybody and art thank you very much for being that the testimony is concluded no  suppose they and there would be another five zero want special reports doing nothing in special reports are this next item on the agenda is audience comments this is an opportunity for any one of the audience to come up and speak about a non agenda item are limited to five minutes and this course would be an item that's not on the agenda is there anyone in the audience would like to come up and speak during this quality successful but the second one is the last meeting we attended the whispering pines plan that this council approved you provided a variance to remove comic circles out of that development have schoolchildren have to walk down that street get to a bus stop because it is a dead end zone and i just like to get some kind of a i mean obviously the plan was approved with sidewalks and common circles and sidewalks so i'm certain that that will not be something we would eliminate from that plan i just want to get it on record i mean just say i know you took away one hundred percent certain kind of going to turn it would be highly unlikely and traffic calming correct me if i'm wrong was due to the fact that we didn't have the interconnect to the other neighborhood so the amount of traffic that was anticipated was below what would be required to happen right that's why you roads to get to the school bus sidewalks are pretty imperative and they were in the plan that you guys approved so i just want to make it a record that that duly noted a valid attempt to keep the thank you and you did it less than five minutes perfect  stated revised eight fourteen fourteen our goal is to address what needs to be done at minimum to keep the dory from deteriorating and making any necessary repairs to keep it structurally sound you'll have to give me a reminder if you are right next item on the agenda resolution amending the peter sargent personnel manual for the recreation supervisor position enough people involved are teaming up with the preeminent person dealing with foreign based codes in pennsylvania and we feel that that would be the best for him to work with in developing ordinances and even though flexibility on education and experience we found that a lot of times are there there will be local people that have experience but maybe not the specific degrees they were looking for and because of it being a part time position forget the last person you hired did not have the degree and the other two prior ones did have a degree but they didn't last long because they're be able to to go down through the process to eliminate people based on their abilities and what you're gonna be and then give consideration that it's a preference where the way it worked before in our system the very preference was like right off the bat and so you know we kind of eliminate that as a consideration till the end but that's not with this issue including right that's a no no candidate give us the story they job description to make sure that it matches up to the criteria we're trying to fill place a minute because in most cases we actually put in more because the process requires us to use the prior years salary at the base to determine the cost but when we actually calculate the amount of pension to go in each year it's based on the current yourself so that alone creates a problem and what happens is that we identify a normal cost based on the normal payroll costs and then then r because of the number of factors one is being that we have a number of police officers that are not counted in the m m r because they declared a drop so we're not getting money from the sta we'll we will have to put in more not the police plan but the administrative and public works plan there based on percentage of pay for in the public works plan it's an hour so much per three years ago where the state decided to change the process and so everybody got a double amount because they changed the name who was being paid millions to afterwards so we actually got the year before and no year coming up so we got two payments at one time so that year it would be you know we pretty much paid off just using state funding ok looking at doing is replacing the ampitheater and you know at least from our from staff perspective we can get a big determination of whether we would do the project or not would be if we get funding from the state or the county they would make a decision some time and december and an award would be approved by the state sometime in april so we're requesting permission to put in a grant application for two hundred fifty thousand that have been in the most recent times that the number they're willing to give to projects like this it's the same amount we got for the sugar camp bridge we are showing our own local share amount and i just again review the park and record minutes i don't see any conversation about what might be done to improve that on the trail on the one hand i think that the rules and container and the idea was they have a some time or so we are darker around the darker green and then you would have a different color liz so it's we're starting out with recycling it would did the paving on east mcmurry odets it was long overdue and i don't know what we could do in the future to make sure the tape don't let it go as long as they let this thing go as bad as it was  from across kate's and all those neighborhoods and i have no idea what you're talking about about they look like they're chain type letters because raising the same can we get to the bottom of the ship might i mean by we we need to we're very severe on into all of them and i can see some of them come through the action line some through e mails and we've been we've been telling them that you know more further while they're there they're saying that the that we're proposing to change conservation residential conservation district industrial and i explain there is no reservation conservation district in that area to start what's really annoying you keep getting the same e mail over and over again from different people and you know having to respond to them like you know i have no idea what you're talking about this isn't anything that's been broached with council or through the min