good morning everyone a meeting of the housing human services and transportation when i'll come to order it's about nine o two a m on wednesday may eighteenth twenty sixteen before we begin may i  request that we turn off or aside and so our cell phones or any other noisemaking devices i am stacy crew fellow chair of the housing human services and transportation committee and at our non voting committee member thank you for being here the chair of mike wait thank you weren't like to introduce this time from the administration we have with us director of housing and h with us also is media housing administrators thank you for being here or we're losing our illustrious difficulty with us this morning is members we have two items on the agenda today so we'll get started it with public testimony i'll start with our district offices and assisting us this morning from the honda district office thank you denise for individuals will be testifying in the chamber please sign up at the desk located it in the eighth floor for lobby just outside the chamber door if you will be testifying from the remote testimony location specified on the meeting agenda be signed up with the council staff at that location testimony will be limited to the item listed on the agenda today pursuant to the rules of the council each testifier will be allowed to testify for up to three a chair and members of the committee i am grandchild of the properties here this morning to offer my thoughts on the agenda item each each thirty two specifically i have some input concerning the proposal to reduce from one hundred twenty days to ninety days the time when new within which the county should exercise its first option to purchase a residential workforce housing unit upon an owner's decision to sell during the restriction period as i'm sure you are aware we are in the midst of working with prospective buyers for our residential workforce housing project at north key called common loni we have learned a lot in the months since we have started to reach out to prospective purchasers for these affordable homes without getting into more detail than you want while there are many in our community who are actually income eligible for these homes it remains quite a difficult hurdle for them to qualify for the loans that are available in the marketplace today unlike the lending practices of ten years ago before the economic downturn there are many safeguards and restrictions in place that make it a lot more difficult to qualify for a home mortgage during now than during that period young families that are actually paying more in r s than they would be paying for a mortgage have difficulty qualifying for loans because of their debt levels and ability to come up with down payments one of the remedies for this situation aside from the homebuyer education initiative which we have sponsored in conjunction with holly my old use to make sure that our own county ordinances and regulations do not unwittingly create a scenario where certain highly suitable loans become unavailable to our local mali families that as i understand it what the department of housing and human concerns which is before you this morning that's what their request is basically about in order for a mali families to qualify for some very attractive loan programs like fannie mae and freddie mac the buyback provision which allows the county a period of time in which to purchase a home in an affordable project should the buyer wish to sell prior to the expiration of the deed restriction needs to be reduced from one hundred twenty to ninety days unless the buyback provision is reduced as requested freddie mac and fannie mae will not approve financing for our purchasers this would be very unfortunate as these programs allow for very low down payments with no additional expense for mortgage insurance which can also add up for the buyer in short this change would expand the menu of alternatives to our young families trying to purchase their first home thank you very much for your kind  consideration and your work in this matter thank you members is there a need for any part of the testimony to be rephrase any comments or question mr hall comma mr john we appreciate your comments qualify or another fifty percent would be part of potentially have the benefit of i'm sorry i know i don't i know it's been quite a hurdle we have as i mentioned we've had home buyer education classes offered since last june and we've already certified through the classes you know certified completed over three hundred prospective purchasers all of these people as i said are actually income eligible under the county's guidelines but they've had quite a difficult time in interfacing with various lenders against the backdrop of the menu of loans that are available in the marketplace today so again it's just that guidelines as far as what is and is not suitable and some of those guidelines kind of butt up against local rules if you will so as i understand it from talking with mr the department's initiative is simply to make sure our local rules don't unwittingly conflict with federal standards which then create a scenario where an otherwise qualified borrower wouldn't be able to qualify so you're saying in your list of three hundred people that have gone through your class none of them were able to get freddie mac's fannie mae because of this or are not quite sure you know i i didn't bring any statistics with me i'm not sure letters of qualification i will say those who have submitted letters of qualification from their lenders to date none of them have loans from freddie or fannie ok thank you thank you thank you very much mr jones for being here it's important that we understand why this change is being recommended but i don't know if you're familiar with it we have testimony also that tells us that if they qualify for a fake e mail they can save as much as almost close to four hundred fifty dollars a month under p m i does that sound reasonable unfortunately a lot of the programs that are available to are affordable buyers are first time you know younger family type the regular market a borrower are not similarly hamstrung by that requirement it's really important to do we get people into affordable homes so i think this committee has to look at what we can do to help that happen and thank you very thank you thank you thank you member i'm going to go and check with our district office says do you have any testify  office thank you so at this time we have another testify from the gallery thank you please proceed to the podium and i guess you know their routine this wrapping thank you morning everybody good morning i was not able to get in and do the preparation from the binders on this but the agenda issues here are related to a very poignant meeting that was held by the key had a community association last night in there will be such a meeting tonight at the cooler community association meeting i said to those folks from key hey last night they were appalled that anything could be rushed through at the last moment that has been ongoing for so long it's going to soon but a plea is they see in their neighborhoods by way impact on roads transportation water huge so when it tugs on here about the status this is speaking from this morning's agenda the status is that the committee may consider this committee may consider whether to recommend passage of what's being proposed today on earth reading with or without revisions trust me everybody there doesn't want to see this go through without having a further in depth with the folks from the fed the state and many different places for permits and entitlements etc down there that the people don't feel have been coordinated know and seen graphics yesterday were wonderful down there they were in color the mayor explained them as we went along so he was a trusted person in economics former professor at  part of he which now and just when i see nobody showing up here is because they've had so many conflicting pieces of information come their way non coordinated timing that they just say made so please don't let that pass on first reading today whatever the intentions are to explore these i'm saying they've got information on all sides just don't rush it through thank you at this time i'd like to start with our agenda item and its dash three one exemptions from certain wastewater assessment work for us housing units before we begin our discussions however i'd like to ask our housing and human concerns department to share  his agenda item thank you good morning chair covello and members of the committee my name is carol that i'm in and the director of housing and human concerns the first item before you references my we county code section fourteen thirty four zero nine zero which was last amended in one nine hundred ninety five while chapter two point one six was amended in two thousand this proposed revision doesn't make any changes to the bill rather it's intended to clean up old language so that it references what is current in two point six thank you changing it to align itself with the workforce housing bill that's why you delete it looks like i mean i see that you do it section b and c and just add it a little bit  at least on the top and then it's also the same thing in oh as well you're essentially i guess i'm not sure what it has to do with the waste water assessment you're saying it's one hundred percent if it's one hundred percent affordable they don't have to waste wate dowse five three from the director of housing and human concerns transmitting polls bill entitled a bill for an ordinance amending sections fourteen point three four point zero nine zero and fourteen point three five point zero eight zero relating to the exemptions for the waste water assessment facility expansion and collection transmission system upgrade chapters fourteen point three four and fourteen point three five ma we county call stablished wastewater assessment fees for the expansion of the key wastewater treatment plant and the upgrade and expansion of the wastewater treatment plant respectively i'm sorry expansion of the key a wastewater transmission system and the expansion of the white local holy water treatment plant respectively the purpose of their propose bill is to amend the exemptions from these wastewater assessment and allow the exemptions to apply to developments that are companies of one hundred percent reds the denture workforce housing defined in section two point nine six point zero two zero ma we county called the committee may consider whether to really recommend passage up to propose bill on first reading with or without revisions and we may also today i was at that meeting last night there was a lot of misinformation given out and people were incorrectly riled up and i don't get the sense that there's an issue with getting this out today it's this is to allow for more affordable housing so just to let you know there's a lot of misinformation going on last night that was not right so two thousand and fourteen so it was explained to us that it was a housekeeping item that was necessary for the it to coach basically to be aligned with one another so that's how it was explained to us a mystery is still the community requires in requests and i think this is a good thing we should be talking about things like this exemptions i feel that infrastructure requirement should be  i don't have a problem exempting sidewalks underground utilities some other things but infrastructure is basic to any house the road the power the water the sewer line and and for me  after we've gone through this process madam chairman the question based should we continue to accept these kind of things which is to me infrastructure of any unit and so i oppose that because i think it's unhealthy review and if the body still feels that this something should be continued to be exempted and allowed the rest of the tax base to pay for what we know is going to be a high price replace my project of the sewer system of this county then we're going to need to do they would help us make better informed decisions so i thank you for this chance to share some common thank you any further comments misplaced or yes thank you madam chair and i totally housing situation that we have here and we are sitting in the committee that is supposedly to come up with solutions about how we're going to handle finding places for people to live you know we have a terrible homeless situation and it's not only to people who don't have hoses to live in but they're living in two or three fifteen people in houses that are meant for three or four and i mean it's a mess and we're just trying to find ways to deal with it and you know i met with some developer not too long ago and asked him straight out i said what is the basic cost to put infrastructure in for one home and i was told two hundred fifty thousand dollars now let's talk to people that are looking for  ask them if they can even afford the infrastructure this cannot be cannot pay not on the kind of wages we earn you know when you look at the average wages here in in our county so many people i'm talking to people in the other holding for jobs i don't do a bunch of them the other night i was at a party and i said what do you do i hope for jobs so people are really going crazy trying to afford a home and so i know and keep them at it affordable prices does that piece that i'm really interested in because i don't want to see us doing all of this in change making all these sacrifices are taxpayers and then we build homes and then to get sold and people make profit on them i have a problem with that but you know i'm kind of tempted to go with this because i'm trying to find a way to help people afford a home and you know when you have to period monthly my i get to come up late and possibly come up with another five hundred bucks a month because you have to pay for this it sure is that you could get exempted if you got a fair fanny i want to try to help them do that it's really difficult we're in very very difficult times here and as a council everybody's looking solutions and so i i'm trying hard you know how can we find ways to help people and i see this as one of them so i want to thank you for bringing it up and i understand what mr saying that there is  some there's a laundry list of exemptions already and this is one more and i ask you what budgets it is saying well we've got to pay for all this is going to pay so we have a tough decision but i'm cleaning toilets this side of trying to make things affordable and giving people a chance to get that thank you thank you mr coats thank you madam chair and i understand where mr obama is coming from yes we do need to decide or determine or discuss at least where who's going to pay for the infrastructure for affordable homes in a subdivision that is twenty five percent affordable then that can be done borne by the  market but this is we're talking about one hundred percent affordable already somebody's going to have to subsidize that whether it's the county the state the feds or a combination thereof because the price of building houses these days is just phenomenal my concern spicer brought up is that you know ok we build the house it's affordable somebody can come in and get into it but then in five or ten years they can sell it at market rate and then move on to their next thing and we lose that affordable home the that is happening right now in you know the garden kind of thing that there are ten years of coming up now and some people are so not everybody so that still are affordable homes there but when those folks families kids grow up and go to college they're going to sell that house at a not an affordable rate so we keep churning we building more houses make them affordable and then not then they don't stay affordable so i have a little bit of problem with that that's why i'm always advocating rentals whether they're single family homes or apartment complexes that kind of thing with a family homes i would lean towards doing this because of like i said at the beginning affordable housing is period end of story is just where and who's going to subsidize it when you look at it if you look at the tax base that's paying for that it's not the homeowners it's all the other categories that end up paying for it and i understand that so mr o'connor brings up a great point as far as where do we do the balance and i'm leaning towards allowing for this but with some very strong reservations on the fact that these are affordable homes will not be affordable after a certain amount of time five or ten years so it's a tough decision we're going to have to discuss i think we should discuss it though thank you thank you mr victory no thank you madam chair and my colleagues bring up our game discussion points that we've covered many times in this chamber and although they are valid there is one fundamental question that needs to be answered when do we start building sort of our workforce live work and play here in my county when do we start where you give all the rationale for this that and everything else and i agree i don't like seeing people taking advantage of the system so on this somebody can come up with a better system and discussion doesn't do anything we need to stop walking we need to start progressing and getting homes built and i've been told by many quote experts in the area of housing the way you keep prices down is have a lot of housing if there is an inventory then there is not a problem with pricing right now we have the exact opposite demand is extremely high and in retore is almost nonexistent that's where the challenge lice so i meaning to to support this i think it's needed i mean i deal with the people you see every day out there what is church supermarkets wherever the biggest question is i would like to get an affordable house affordable unit that's another issue that has and we did been discuss it just always kind of glossed over we need to get a first we need to start putting together the pieces to all make it work and let's put it this way it can always be work that the department has done i agree somebody pays the piper somebody has to pay for it there's no free lunch but then when i look at the overall scheme of things when our local residents are for our workforce can find something to to live in when rents a higher demand mortgages i know we've gone the wrong direction so affordable rentals that could be joining the equation but the american dream is not just to rent all your keeping the our you know our infrastructure in place for the parts for the development costs should be placed into the infrastructure  it almost it's almost like when i look at it we have these park assessments so to build parks that doesn't really do too much for our infrastructure in terms of you know water sewer roads this type of exemption gosh i think i was going to have to  think on it more that's it's this is a hard on for me i understand both sides we need house we need to be able to make it affordable but we also can't neglect our  infrastructure and who will make up that difference thank you thank you melissa this is based on yeah second thing that i wanted to talk about and as this ng stated we're having about subsidizing housing and in people turning around and turning it in making a nice little profit on it moving on and you know the taxpayer is continuously having to do this because of that you know many years ago before i came here molly i think that it's something that we need to talk about more debt we need to look at more and probably try to push more because their homes have to be affordable in perpetuity and when you do that then the taxpayers shouldn't be be burdened all the time with having to continuously subsidize people and then there isn't this personal reward that you get and that to me is a little bit unfair because you're lucky and you qualify and i'm not but my name doesn't get pulled but if you go with the idea of you're going to get enough home and enjoy it but if you want to get out of it sorry you're going to get what you put in it maybe a little bit more but you're not going to make a killing on it and i think we need to revive that and really look at it again we're at that point so i would recommend here that we might want to look at that again thank you any other comments department mr comma i'm sorry  chairman i think this is a very healthy discussion and yes you know for some members we've been doing a lot of talk about we're deliberative body the branch of government we serve that but one of things that we didn't take care of is how we go through entitlements if you look at other counties in the country affordable those are one of the first that are required to be put up including the infrastructure the ro then comes the market housing go to the top carolinas are that's what they're doing in hawaii for the last thirty plus years we've put affordable housing as a requirement but on this triggers are met the housing doesn't come up and so i was see maybe it's time for us to consider when we look at entitlements to reverse the trend and demand more require affordable be built first and then to build their markets by we'll know in hawaii at least for the last thirty years that i've been you know looking at housing prices and whatnot i don't know of any contractor any be valid for that will build a house before it's sold that is one of the key problems nobody wants to build and have inventory sitting when they have to be interim construction financing amount of time it took to get a government approval and then build that saverin use that interests on borrowing to so if we are going to come to terms and say there is no such thing as affordable housing anymore is on the market and subsidized i would hate to say that because that's basically telling me we're going to give up on the middle class i don't  to be that position yet i think we can still do some things that can help this community and people want to reduce how we look at entitlements and whether or not corporation council can agree that in review of pas but we all know there's thousands of units over this community for project approvals and we need to ask why aren't they being built and maybe one of it is our property where the costs might be laying that trigger from there are a lot that are owed because of the way it was done before but this is not necessary this particular council but the council did in the last few years come up with the members to the affordable work out of the workforce housing bill that says affordable housing must be done concurrently or prior to the market housing so we this group has perpetuity great let's try and get the community land trust going it's going to take a combination of all the above but it needs and as mr victorian says housing needs to get built if you have a regular market price how somebody can buy that movie lot of affordable houses there and so somebody else coming out there for i mean it's just it's a it's a domino theory so the more we get thank you members any other comments or anything from the department i thank you terry no comments thank you you know if i recall and if you recall the hall it was in a way government built the homes or the rentals or for the income bracket that just couldn't afford to purchase that doesn't even exist today so we don't even have you caught entry to level processes and the entry level is always what would be how once upon a time i think we all started is first you rant then you buy it at low cost and then you up her and then you you it becomes commodity based and then you you purchase again and hopefully becomes the home for a lifetime we don't know how that is today with our young people but when you hear the the comments on the costs to actually construct to construct it becomes a challenge even for with previous projects that have received ok to move forward and how many units are due that i still out there and have not reached any kind of construction  yet and why i think we need to know what is the problem or do we say ok let's remove your entitle minutes i mean there's all kinds of ways we need to go but to hold a gun they get the builder s becomes a challenge because we need both to collaborate and to make things happen so it is this a sense for an avenue for us to try and subsidize  impact fees and then then no longer becomes affordable so that's a consideration that we need to look into into this policy and actually what is what it what are our inventory and i asked the housing department to give us more information with that whatever information you get for us and  think we need further discussion i basically support the opportunity for us to bill the affordable homes and if it means for us to sort of subsidize maybe we have to look further how will we subsidize will you allow the developer to have house purchase bonding do we provide the bonds instead of just the complete exemptions to provide bonds for i think there is still more research on i'm going to ask  and the housing department as well as my staff mr college thank you madam chair when you bring it back can you is there a possibility of getting what maybe the average cost per hour would be added we i know we have the rate per gallon exemption and into ninety six right you are a two point nine six so at if we don't pass it what does that mean they have we have two laws that are not in compliance of which way  basically putting it all in order for an hour now i mean yes right so that i'm wondering if it's kind of a housekeeping measure that we've got a kind of do it yeah and it hasn't  delete that provision and just in its place just add one hundred percent projects you know so it's very clear in my mind it's not all thank you for being here mr miyamoto is from the environmental management and i guess you've listened to some of our discussions would you by any chance have any kind of financial idea  what i can give you right now is the the amount that we can use to calculate what the flow is producing the family house which is about three hundred fifty gallons per household apartments condominiums we generally use two hundred fifty five gallons per unit so those are the numbers that we utilize to calculate the assessment fees i don't have the inventory of how much affordable has been waived at this point that's certainly something we can work with housing to figure out and calculate but that's basically the numbers we use right now is three fifty gallons per single family to fifty five for the apartments condominium type facility the conversation that's been going on here is exactly what the director and i had with our reed increases to help fund our debt continuing debt so that's how we currently look at it but this one as it applies to one hundred percent affordable housing we thought this was this would serve as  a member comment pointed out you know it would have reduce the cost of developing these properties it's one hundred percent affordable generally you don't see single family homes in one hundred percent affordable you see more multifamily palms those ten i for one live in a multi family home in the parkside and i can see that the value of the property can based on the economy has at one point it was down to my property was down in the low one hundred we're in a good market i three hundred but if i try to sell it now i have to try and buy a house at six seven hundred so it doesn't really help me get into a single family but i still carry that heavy heavy load of debt that would be associated so the director said you know everything that we can do to help support one hundred percent affordable housing because those are the ones that will probably get built right away because they're not dependent on the market housing sales to help fund it we thought that would be a good thing for our department of support bill and the housekeeping to consider amendments that were or past at the following county communication sixteen dowse six one from the director of housing and human concerns transmitting a proposed bill and a bill for an ordinance amending chapter two point nine called relating to the residential workforce housing policy credit requirements and deed restrictions the purpose of the proposed bill is to amend the residential work force policy housing policy by providing that residential workforce housing credits maybe use to satisfy residential workforce housing requirements by reducing from one hundred twenty days to ninety days the time within which to county seventh twenty sixteen from the director of housing and human concerns transmitting the residential workforce housing policy annual report for the year end it december thirty first twenty fifteen related department your comments good morning thank you chair so in regards to item number one there are two parts to it the first part is housekeeping to clarify that housing credits can indeed be used to satisfy residential work first housing requirements and then the second part is what mr chen testified on the requested amendment to two point one six to reduce the number of days that the company has to buy back and affordable unit from one hundred twenty days to ninety days it's crucial to the home buyers and it will as it will allow for more affordable financing options presently as mr chen mentioned lenders such as freddie mac and fannie mae will not lend to projects with buyback clauses that allow more than ninety days to repurchase an affordable unit why is this important because the mortgage options provided by freddie mac and fannie mae allowed mortgage financing with minimal payments and they also do not require mortgage insurance premiums which in turn saves potential homebuyers hundreds of dollars per month and makes it easier to qualify for them to purchase a home we understand that the savings could be as much as four to five hundred dollars a month for a family of four so these financing options are especially crucial for the lower income families who desire to own their own homes struggle to make ends meet and are trying to qualify partment has been approached by numerous developers that have informed us that this change is vital to their overall success in financing their projects as well if the developer cannot pre sell ninety percent of their units via mortgage pretty qualifications then they cannot obtain the financing needed to construct the project on average most financial institutions will not help to finance projects who cannot pre sell at least ninety percent so by reducing the buyback period from one hundred twenty to ninety days it will help both families to attain viable lending options and it will help developers to finance affordable housing projects so the department it's your chance any questions you may have in the guides to that in the guys so i don't number two for the annual year twenty fifteen the department has not had any residential workforce housing policy projects completed under chapter two point six however it's important to note that with the recent changes that this body made in late two thousand and fourteen to two point one six the department has seen an increase in the number of agreements xx q did and recorded between the county and local developers w seven having being that recorded in the past year we anticipate three will break ground by the end of this year they are coming to that total about four hundred excuse me two hundred forty six units once again we're here to answer any questions that you may have thank you so much they give department members any comments loan probably would be able to support that mike my concern is the other portion is the application of residential work force housing credit issued pursuant to this code so basically you're saying that this clarifies that somebody who got credits couldn't use it can use them for workforce housing is that what that is there for yes that's correct thank you ok thank you th housing and what is the advantage of having a developer use those credits down the workforce housing units versus as it was before there had been a reason why we didn't give credits for that they could share the humor has been it was always if the developer purchased credits or earn credits out of previous development they always had the option to utilize those credits to satisfy future it again to clean it up and to make it this clear were when you read the code that that is the intent and that is the purpose of the workforce in credits is to satisfy future  dia's of what we might want to consider introducing to the state legislature to revive a state law that may impact financial institutions mentality toward affordable projects regards to the state credits or act one forty one credits this was something that was in place prior to my coming on board i remember former directory da tried to explain the process to me they were associated with the development of d t h l hawaiian homelands properties credits were awarded based on existing in previous developments that were done as far as the reason the logic behind the state was the guards to issue in those credits i would have to research and get back to this this body on but they were recognizing they were allowed to satisfy county credits our county workforce housing units that were owed so i believe that mr everett dolling was the only developer who owned these particular types of credit so developers were purchased from him and that in turn they would satisfy the local molly county requirements and that was in act one forty one as an allowable used to do so that was researched but as far as the history behind how the the act came to be and what is intended was again i'm unsure i would have to research and find out exactly you know how that all came to be but i know that it's been in place for some time now and again the state credits were allowed to be you state wide and all counties thank you so the cr correct they could i believe be as they because they are state credits they could purchase the credits as satisfy their you know projects on their particular county do you know what it created is valued it just me to the department doesn't get involved with a negotiation the size of the purchase of credit between developers but did we do track to sales as far as the number of units that are transferred from talks with developers i think credits on average financing i would be very open to your thoughts you know we greatly appreciate them by all means we will think on that and bring back some suggestions for you to consider thank you thank you thank you any other comments and questions from two point nine six don't count in their own strictly could only be use of molly county because it but that's my concern is that hey look they're building extra affordable housing here so that they've gone over and above then they can satisfy but it is only in mali county does a developer get credits they say they get two point nine zero they build one hundred houses they only required to do twenty five so they get seventy five two point nine six credits is that correct correct do they also get state credits for that so they get one or the other they don't get both correct i believe that the act one to one forty one credits are only specific again i will get back in for him but they're related to the department of fly and all blends robotics but if somebody who built a bunch of hawaiian homelands projects got credit they can apply those credits to non hawaiian homelands two point nine six correct they cannot ok and they can they can yes understanding yes the state supersedes the county yes that's that's the hard part and i think they just did that it's best it's a station again because that it does no good for our maui county residents to have affordable housing that clay again i will clarify with regards to how wide and broad the  in homes has and missed by so i can attest to this have had generations of members waiting to build on wherever island they may live and think that's going to happen very often and i would like their records to be checked into and that would be my requests so that it can only if you eat the concerns now if somebody is really sharp they want to do it they party has such great amount of critics because of his development of i want homes and that's been the primary reason so i'd like to know numbers first and foremost but i'm not overly concerned i wish i was concerned that it may be double dipping and so long as there's no one there's no double dipping i'm i'm ok with that if it acts in homes and what i want homes are built i dream those people have been waiting generations and i'm not one generation so i'm time to intreat generations have been waiting to get a white home state and college i don't know if that's a as big a concern is other concerns that i've had in the past so i was very busy but i missed the moments here too any other questions or comments department thank you i just wanted to clarify from a historical understanding is the days from receipt written notice from the old as far as the buyback it's my understanding is originally was put in with the department to make it had to twenty days because it takes all the my background is in lending they do not like deed restrictions they do not like you know any type of deed restrictions so if you're lessening the burden of a deed restriction on the property then that will definitely be looked upon favorably for the individuals trying to apply to purchase the home so it will help with regards to all financial institutions just about fannie mae or freddie for everybody everybody's board will be more comfortable seeing that ninety figure versus arjen twenty it just takes some of the anxiety over how long the process takes it and if we do you know support this it was i hope you four weeks for a new way to attract some results if possible so we can get some feedback and said that was a good thing or you  through here but i believe we also bumped up the price the amount of money they could spend so and i can't remember what that was i was like five hundred thousand dollars so now they have the flexibility to do it without having to come through here which is why we went to one hundred twenty days so i'm comfortable with that and i think the council chairs has mentioned her was committed to if there's one that does come to council that we get it through the process quickly so i'm comfortable with that going back to the ninety and agreements are in motion you know i think we have seven recorded so thank you for that information so if there are no further discussion on the chair will entertain a motion to recommend passage on first reading of a revised proposed bill anti dote a bill for an ordinance amending chapter two point one six mo a county called relating to the residential workforce housing policy credit requirements and deed restrictions and filing of county communications sixteen dash sixty one also to allow stabbed to make some sense the revisions to the proposed bill so privilege to be doing this kind of discussion with all of you this morning and i want to thank the department for all of you our input and your discussions i appreciate it and thank you mr khushi for being here with