also help and i know camel some facing the same challenge with the wet fields and that sort of doing the enfield right now is like doing much work so i don't know if anybody did go to an essex town school board meeting just out of curiosity and you know other than the fact that on the agenda it told you what policy the agenda item was addressing to me it seemed like it and the other school board ok i don't i don't mean to say that i don't see any value in governance but that was just my reaction from what really was just you know so people have a full understanding or at least a fairly good understanding of what it means before so i went to the training for training i was pretty much against the policy governance system it was very i felt like it was kind of a reaction to boards that were overzealous into the schools and to give the boards a framework to step back into make them kind of think about things differently and whether that's the purpose of it or not they like the set up a lot because they feel like it sets an annual calendar that you are a view everything and you have board members taking responsibility for that evaluation so board members say you know you get your assignment and next month you're responsible for doing the evaluation and whatever this particular policy is and it's different people that do it every year and it forces the board to have a cohesive direction and of course the schools to have a cohesive direction are in plan and vision and you can't get derailed so easily by somebody coming in and saying  we found this new program let's do this and then you have to look at it under policy governance and say ok does it fit which how does it fit under who makes that decision and does it fit with our entire plan and so i feel like it helps with the framework there so i personally would love to hear more but i would like to hear from and s e u that's doing it and not from essex town necessarily because they're single town singles pool is that right is single district and we i feel like need some need to talk to people who are doing it under a supervisory union or bigger kind of a system because they have a five member for like to talk to people because with the five member board it's a different kind of dynamic thank you so you have your set of hundred four areas you have your and your executive limitations your board management delegation in your governance process so you set up your end policies what are the results that you're looking for and  them up in a clear way and you figure out what are we looking for so if your and policy on citizenship isn't being met then you're looking for new ways to incorporate that into your schools if you're being successful in that then you're not looking for you know how to tweak it so it kind of helps you look at what these programs are how does it fit which part of this you know does it fit under is that something that we're doing well and is that something that we're importantly and is it something that we need to modify is that some you know and you know that you're making a decision based on a plan and not based on a look at it and see what they think i my first thought like like what he said when i first learned about it years ago actually was that this was created to rein in boards  micromanaging and give them a focus and remind them to act more like boards of bigger businesses so that that had some value but i thought you know and then you seem to be sticking to his strategic plan and so it didn't seem as as necessary at the time it does give you that direction it gives you that we're going to zation that sometimes can be lacking from a board as you sort of zigzag around to whatever the hot topic is but i think as i reviewed all of the stuff i thought this will take a lot of education to the public to understand that what we're doing is holding the superintendent accountable not reaching in and doing work either for them or at odds with them or in a different direction you know what i mean yeah and i guess that was the other piece that i didn't talk about is there's a good input feedback seemed like a really great way to be engaged in the community and to have to gauge and it would just be a really different big shift especially from some of the smaller boards who may have been used to a lot more hands on  work in their individual school and the bend the public may have been expecting that other thoughts i have less think we should do we should continue to explore it seems like it would get us started some of the issues that we've faced already on this board when you bring something to the board and then we have to discuss it maybe we don't have to discuss it if we have a policy an agenda and it's meeting it might make our work more efficient and still lost a set larger goals and good tabs on the superintendent although my it might help us i think we should look into it i just get the sense it's it's a more proactive approach than a reactive approach by setting up a framework in your code of saying well here's our general goals the ends and what how is what we're doing and what we're dealing with fit in that framework and it forces us to make purdy's with ok we have to do we have to look at these two areas first because they're most pressing and other priorities ma be further down the hierarchy but it gives a structure as opposed to being reactive where it is you know whatever's coming in the timing is is is determined by that event not by any agenda or goals that we might have i think things are only going to get more complex and not less as we go forward and having the ability to at least fifteen times in based on common goals that we've discussed or maybe get it to submit every possible venture well if you but certainly have that discussion so we know we're ok this this is an area we haven't discussed we need to set up a subcommittee and work on that other thoughts and comments kevin john not necessarily to the to the merits of policy governance but just thinking about the timeline that we have to work on  feels to me like to implement something as prescribed as policy governance it's going to take months a year i don't know six months six months and if we if we you know are launching if this this full operation of this board on july first i'm curious what your thoughts are on are we going to govern are going to determine how we're governing in the continue in the style that where we are right now and are there any do anything that we need to figure out on an interim basis while we have this longer term objective and i think one of the things we can do i don't know about how we're going to be covering here if this policy governance is something we want to do i would look at to bring about our probably back and help us start the framework of how they're going to be and we so but there's other there's i mean you know john carver's template but i think there are ways we can and we might have to especially considering that we have we actually have t boards so so it sounds like if we're committed to exploring it we kind of see that as our six months down the road we're going to adopt this the in the  meantime be more of a side is quote let's not try to improve the short term mechanisms that much let's focus our energy on exploring this with the intent to hopefully implement if we get down the road and we realize  of people who said oh it's definitely something i want to you know do that and it sounds like just from the discussion we have here is exploring is more of the avenue but everyone i agree i don't hear anybody objecting to this group  and that so i would say that you know we give jobs if we get the gardener to start working with us on this michel to do if we have the resources would it make sense for us to ask  prepare a transition and work play and policy governance with this board so that we could we could have something fairly specific to evaluate in concrete and then we can put it on either of wordage timing but if you can if you could have something that you could look at and say all right this is how we're going to start doing our work in september october at the start of the school year in the next budget cycle and we may look at it and say we're not ready we time because some of us have already done some research and are coming to any given meeting with a little bit of information but if we don't all have the same information at the same time i don't see how we can make a decision as a group so i think we need to go through the process of getting that information and hopefully being able to compare and contrast it with maybe another successful model and i did want to point out that with and they knew we had already implemented consent agenda and strategic plan to drive our work and that was effective also so i just think that we need to look at both of them and i have and i wanted to also remind people that with the policy government governance system required policies remain in place however all the district policies are incorporated into the policy governance model or rescinded so it doesn't get rid of other policy stuff and then that also leads me to mind us that in this transition time we need to be clear about what committees to the new operation that we want to make sure there's accountability that there's transparency and that people are comfortable with the processes that make up our finances because you know that runs the system think said that there's nothing that would say down the road that if you wanted to adjust that structure that you could so the nothing is it's set in stone but i think in the near term here we're going to be talking to you a little bit about the roles and responsibilities of the finance committee and i would i would recommend that we do have at least in the near term a finance committee that meets regularly and talks about our financial plan and our financial and i'm wondering as a board we want to explore it if it were you know like explored with the intent to hopefully you know like it's not just you know study that you know when we don't like really putting putting our attention there so that we can just kind of get by with not doing much tailoring or or should it or should we try to make some improvements in the short run in the long run i just it sounds like it i mean there's a lot of optimism about that i haven't heard too many like you i don't like it because i think it's more of just sounds good i want to learn more about it i'd like to get the specifics of it be reviewed if people read them and think about them prior you know sort of things that are may not require a lot of discussion however you can if there's something you saw in there that you want to oh no then you just make that inquiry and we pull it out so whatever the question is and we can discuss it but it's more things that might not require a lot of discussion or action it's different from what we're doing now yeah we've sort of each item we go through as it is now we can just quickly mention it like john's report elapsed prior to the meeting so unless anybody has anything they want to further so i don't know if you want to do e t s thing but it would be great if we could end this and this session from seven thirty with a list of what we're working on now and what we plan for in the future and i'm not getting a sense i feel like we're going back and forth between the two the policy governance in the future and what we need for right now so i would i would love it if we could finish maybe walk one one of the other as it were and say ok recommended and i strongly feel that we can't make a decision without talking to somebody who's doing it on this scale we've heard from you we've heard from people in essex town that are doing it but we didn't talk to anybody who's doing it on th going to slow down there and talk to them or something right i feel like that he's hit was missing from the training that we did or that there's four hartford orange and six town in that someone asked them to come someone go down there what would be the plan around i do only in somebody from their word would be willing to come up here and talk to all of us that would be beneficial to the entire board that's not possible  and i believe correct me if i'm wrong but the orange district is not a merged district so maybe maybe what would meet your needs would be for us to see if we could have somebody who is a representative from w right now or the school boards association and i think it might also be very helpful for us to get some it ministration perspective from the superintendent who is involved in this as well because maybe maybe we could just consider invitations to those two communities that would get you get you where you think you need to be and i'm happy to you know talk with you further about that and to talk with broken see if we can try to get that information but while i have your guys attention for anybody who when i wanted to know how strategic plans fit in with policy governance because the m m u strategic plan expires this year and that drove a lot of how did our work so as i'm looking at some of the sample stuff you know that was a lot of good work and a lot of that actually ended up in our articles of agreement so i wouldn't want to lose that as we would move towards the policy governance can you does anybody speak to that who went down and unless somebody else wants to but i think you know you have by doing enough talking down listening i love to listen so i  and i think that the strategic plan that looked at is mostly around the state and its policies are what you review the same way you reveal your strategic plan so you have your set up what you're looking at what your goals are and every year you're making sure that you're making progress on schools in the policy governance system the policy governance system also has other areas that it reviews every year so while we're looking at just the ends on vision is a following our strategic plan so they're almost like one in the same they're directly interconnected it's gets the same it's not a separate state strategic plan your strategic plan is  at more outcomes related right and i saw that on terms of the website that the only policies that you have said we have to do are the ones that are required by law and they stand alone and then the rest get rolled into rescinded and i and i get that will be interesting was a totally different way of looking at that was that it was a it was a big chef's ok to go under one of the pieces that i found interesting here in the meeting was that they have executive limitations and the reason that they have those is so that everybody knows who is making the decisions and so if the superintendent makes a decision and you go to your executive responsibilities in limitations and you say you're not supposed to be making that decision then you know there's you you make some changes on the decision making process but also where i found interesting is if it can i think it's done r in the system which sometimes creates inefficiencies and limits opportunity for students because you don't have a question about who's making this decision is it the board is it the superintendent or is it somebody else so it sounds like we have two steps we want to take one is get some people in here to speak to us that are already utilizing it is that two and two is that we can if it's ok we can start connecting with valis well like know i think and i can see one of the things we talked about with val is this something you can do part of laysan something you can pick and choose from in she said did his and she has not seen it be successful when people take it and she says she's only seen it be successful if you make the jump both feet you take six months to make it happen and you kind of really focus on that and so i feel like once we yeah let's start looking at if we decide to do it we go and if we don't we say ok we're going to keep going if we were doing it so time that's the other part i'm confused about i think i think i think it's not a meeting time that we want to hear from them and then if they're you know ok i'm guessing that we're still going to want to go down the route once we go down the road gender or at least maybe for the next meeting we'll put that together see how it goes and see if it works we'll keep moving forward where policies going in your committee and when you born with finance forward with the way things are used for minutes and warrants so i haven't seen it used for reports and so i'm getting a little you're given i'm get a little cold feet when i think about the amount of information that we tend to cover that we really want to convey sought after i die person to person in some of those reports and putting that into consent so i want to be really clear that we all agree on what is in consent and what isn't because i'd hate to see a whole bunch of stuff go over there that we don't didn't know it was definitely going there might be only one thinking that and there were you know i was looking at jennifer different school board and that needs formal board action an actual vote of approval that they think isn't going to be controversial and the the intent is that you look at this list of two or ten things whatever it is you talk about and then you about policy so i think that people would feel uncomfortable you know if they had had their opportunity to discuss a policy especially if we're the way we're contacting streamlining yes i think you know i think you're confusing t items that are pretty much informational but do need board action but it would be a policy not something that would be on the agenda and  discussed question by consent agenda which is i understand and there'd be no discussion or preview of what's in the consent agenda it would just be are there any questions you're not going to review it go over it when i was a question they would bring it up the finance committee report because they have a question about the trip to bermuda could be a number and it's a trial period i'm just saying john and i could well put together what we think would be on the consent agenda for the next meeting well we'll see how it goes we can tweak it as we are think it's a process i'd like to would suggest that we allow for some flexibility in terms of the the question clarification part of it was just something to remove it from the consent agenda to ask a question seems like a waste of time so you know as we as we can kind of tread slowly into it there's a consent agenda items i don't have any question on and maybe a little bit of dialogue you know tweak the minutes if we have to but then we can still improve the whole senate as one as one item that's what's worked well for me in the in the past and i believe you know with you getting the information ahead of time if somebody has just a court order question about it they can contact diane directly with you saying i just got your committee reports on this from here can you just clarify this for me if you just think it's something for you do you think it's something that the whole board needs to clarif sometimes twice a month i'll be preparing superintends report the details things that i think you need to be aware of or that you would want to be surprised by them that you would want to david one quick thing on her current agenda we have a tendency at times to go beyond the time frame that we have listed for an item in what i my thought was when that worked in prior war i had was that if we're going to be quite close to the end of that time for a particular agenda item that the group has to agree to go beyond that so then the group owns moving past the original amount of time that was a lot of for that but item on the agenda you know as we move forward would be within the agenda  something in writing those who are written agenda with the times posted and we should let people know that the times are estimates agenda items may be breached sooner or last longer than liste but that was a note on the agenda yes because i don't want conceivably you could have somebody who would say gee i wanted to comment eight o five to hear the committee reports but you started it eight o'clock and i think people deserve fair warning when there is some flexibility no you had mentioned in terms of the transition governance about policy existing as a committee and my question is do you want to discuss the policy committee under the committee reports because i have a concern about this sort of in between time with the policy committee membership for the board or we can discuss it now it's up to you but we did it when we get to your committee report that's work along so this is trapped has been around for a couple of months now it came out on march sixteenth we've tabled that a couple times so it's come back on the agenda tonight and this this version has letterhead to basically approve warrants that are going against the transition funding and that was the extent of what we asked the committee to do so barring any further action of the committees essentially completed its job at the end of june so if we're going to continue to delegate work to the finance committee this is the opportunity to do it some have asked some questions on these individual bullets since it's been out for your review but for the most part there's been been very little question so i'm i'm assuming these things are relatively straightforward but there was one that came up just before the meeting about i won't tell you which number bullet it is here i guess numbers would have been better but it's talks a second from the end relating to use of facilities brought to the committee so that when the finance committee did spend some time thinking about what it ought to do was recommending to this board for a charge  we talked about the notion or idea of having a separate committee overseeing financial facility actions and decisions and that that was because you know it's much larger  you know destroyed big bigger responsibilities that at the end of the day almost all of the facilities types of issues that are into supported place by our committee are very tightly interwoven with financial decisions so  we felt like we could accomplish what many of us think about in terms of facilities committee work if you run the former board once you level it up to a higher you know less less detail more over arching governance manage it at the finance committee level so that that again this is potentially an interim you know solution but the thought was we wouldn't have a need for a separate ok so the majority of these things are reviewing you know betting with the administration and then getting to a recommendation and bringing it to the bigger board but there's a couple of items in here that are  definitive so that would be the warrants i think are in here which are the you know the bills we have to prove the bills every month to pay we've i think we just mentioned that those would fall under consent agenda if we if we adopt this these responsibilities then i wouldn't it wouldn't come to the come to this board level at all it would just be that the warrants we get approved by the finance committee  this which will which would really come up at a c s u board down the road meeting is the notion of forming a joint finance committee between both of those boards between the c s u governing board and to bring to a finance committee sometimes it's difficult to pull them apart a large you know a large portion of the c s u budget is borne by this district so you know there's a lot of common interest between the two budgets  i i personally feel that it just makes more sense to have a joint finance committee representation from both c s c e s u board and three board which were all all  same people but you have that additional representation for money and then at the at the committee level you would know you would know what is what is three m and what is c s u and when you really only making recommendations anyway except for the approving of the warrants which are pretty clear so what i'd like to do today is have to have this board finalize what the what the interim charge of the of this finance committee is and also get your input on whether or not you think it's wise to join with the c s u board to have a joint finance committee so mr chow don't know how you want to drive discussion but that's what i'm looking and less i guess is there anyone from the finance committee that would like to add anything to what i just said ok so i'll just go around the room that and your questions my understanding and i don't personally i was not at this meeting where  this was developed that the fifty thousand dollars you know to to review and approve purchase goods or contractor services or fifty thousand that potentially create  a bottleneck by having that piece in there since we have several things that are occurred during the course of the school year it may be in excess of fifty thousand dollars and so for thought had been given on that reasonable number was a good threshold and certainly that's you know it's the first question is should we be reviewing any purchase goods and services and if so should we limit the value right so if if we're ok with yeah i just wondered how many people on the current finance committee were on the end then you facilities committee at what point ok so i'm just wondering if you knew what you were getting into because i watch that facilities committee and there's charts and there's drawings and there's plans and there's permits and it takes a lot of time looking at stuff that isn't financial to get to a decision that becomes financial and so that's where my concern was and i was kind of just sort of smiling in the background thinking you know how are you going to do this and i wouldn't want you to rush through those those pieces but they also might derail important financial discussions well that's one of the issues that has come up as  things haven't gotten into the budget because of the facilities wise because of the nature of the structure and so that's one piece everybody understand what i mean i think if there we need to don't know we have or you haven't really decided on what the definitive structure is going to be of the board is it going to be a more traditional which is a committee structure then we might have a facilities committee so i think once that decision is made you know these boats might change a little bit but i do think in the particularly in the near term things may come up that require bidding and things like that that we need to have board input on or committee input on and we wouldn't want that to get derailed because we didn't have that mechanism in place and just to add to what john said if i recall the conversation during the committee it was mike back in february we talked about this topic if if we were undertaking the capital project my our expectations we would have another committee  directly working on that you know if we're going to build a new school or for him to do some kind of major thing that involve lots of charts and plans and everything and if it was going to get exhausting and take and not not be a really a financial ask for more of just a you know getting guidance on what the parking lot should be redesigned than a than a separate ad hoc committee would stand up for that so yeah i just wanted to make sure you know what you're getting into and i've seen i've seen facilities meetings over one issue go on for the full hour and not get resolved and just like i said wanted to make sure you know and just because i mean you already was once three buildings three sets of properties and so now we're we're adding to that and you don't mean may not know what the next thing is that is out there waiting to break erupt or whatever it's going to require those bids in plans and charts and gra intermediary in this and saying based on this for about where we'd like to go with facilities we think this should be a priority and the second committee whose focus is finance  term the term long term approach on how we address this problem that kind of division of labor in some cases would be helpful i don't know maybe that's a longer term approach in the short term to make sense  consolidate but that would be my concern at this point because there it would be very easy to say oh we're going to put that off because of a financial issue that is driving things at that particular time is this board going to govern or we're going to continue to do exactly what mansfield facility you know that level of detail and be the be the you know the incoming requests better  or to rely on the administration to do that or a lot or this board to do it and what level we're going to govern probably dictates whether or not we need to have a separate facilities committee we haven't talked about having a facilities committee yet that's coming across as i understand it so it was obtained under certain of this and now in a different environment with different physical facilities you know how is that  choice to bring the facilities committee under the auspices of the new finance com  we wouldn't be able to review quarterly this is probably you know let's make sure we do this but we talked about it with the administration this is what they're capable of doing right now the monthly fiscal status reports which is basically to say here's what we spent in the past and then mid year review and correct me if i'm wrong john there may be a review where they actually do a perform and say here's where we're going to and at the end of the fiscal year and and they don't do that on a quarterly basis they do that you know right around december january timeframe this say right before budgeting season for the for the following years were they not points how we're going to finish  somewhat been accounted for but it fluctuates so you get the most accurate year end estimate made here and then at the end of the year that's based on the revenues in the s year end review that that's a few months before the end of the year yes so we do a six month review it is somewhere around the nine ten mark ten month mark we look where we are and we've we've had very good financial management so we haven't had that disparity at least the ma nsfield level that i'm aware of if we were to see a disparity at the six month level then we would start looking at it closely and were intense financial management in my right right so that would give y finance and all that we're in a transition phase here and we're exploring new ground in all this with this merging of our all our school boards and stuff and this is one of those transition areas w to a question about a couple of pieces but he didn't review just boats i had questions on but not the whole thing because that it wouldn't hurt to have him take a quick look up but there was nothing that leapt out to me that said you're on it i just want to make sure that you know we do explore these  this and your committee's work on all this so does anyone have any reservations about the notion of the joint fiscal committee just a question not a reservation so having questions so those budgets are developed by the c s u governing board and then allocated to the to the member districts so is that piece you're talking of so all the all the warrants associated with those those areas are the responsibility of the c s u governing board and then the individual districts have their their direct expenses their labor and their and their utilities and that kind of thing that would be in their warrants so we get a stack of now a little confused i just want to be really clear about what part and that's that's the main reason why i'm advocating for a joint is because there it's confusing if you don't have a choice we don't colorado or something then what representation they would want to have on on the board at the m and m level we've already had that identified a committee and there's five members from this committee from this board that are on the finance committee the c s u governing board may decide that that page my objection to the document begins with two section because this is not a meeting of the c s u govern and i think i think the document itself totally gets what we need to do but if we're going to have a joint meeting we need to have a governing board meeting and we need to have a meeting and if we're going to try to do this the document you know for example developing and your budget for the with us so we want to make that established and and then should probably say just to the m and m u s t school board striking out the c s u governing board and and striking out the last the last part of the first paragraph  we were trying to figure this out in march how this would come about and we we chose not to make revisions to the to the document at the last minute but at the end of that at the end of the day when what i think will happen there's a charge of the joint fiscal committee and it will say to the for words and you know just be you know we'll cover both of them but at this meeting we at least have to make i think we should make a decision on see i'll make the motion and then you're right so so i'll move to adopt the the charges listed on this document as the charges for the m and us d finance committee second until after the annual meeting when the bylaws are officially approved at that meeting to have a nice vote on whether to join the joint committee does that make sense were approved at our last meeting of officially at that meeting and and then then the chinese governing board would vote on it level decisions before the end of the year and if we wait until that time in may meeting the next e s u board you know would be in june if if there is one so i think we can work through it but if we don't need to wait until the fifty thing we could have worked as a topic on next monday's c s u board meeting what we have that so we have the annual meeting on the thirteenth and then and then this board meets and then we can go through the agenda items the legislative report but i just wanted to key in on a couple of pieces of this and i think the board will find important see if you have questions and see if there's something that you want me to try to find out but first i want to let you know as the  state board of ed and john attended this meeting thank you john you were doing that they looked at the waiver that we had presented based on our bylaws and it was approved so what that does sets in motion  the ability of the new kid nice governing board to work following all the rules both state and statutory to get the business that we need to done it also sets us up to be able to have a joint based on the wording in a joint finance committee and again streamline operations as much as we can so that's really good news and again thanks john for going in representing us in m your feedback from the elite is they had all the information that the that they needed in they were able to recommend to the state board and then it was unanimous so you had a waiver is there are there docket is there a document trail that we can look at yes and where would i do so we have a waiver letter that we submitted to the state board of ed ok the we haven't received an official response from the secretary but your head that you know this is this is what the waiver was about this was i can say that wasn't a lot of discussion about the waiver there was more if they were more discretion on how the new form is going it's really wan waiver stipulates that it connects it to what the statute is some complicated work but we were able to figure it out over series of days kevin with someone from id there know there was an m at your student former student there were some folks from huntington ok i did know i didn't know ten but do you want to share anything kevin that's about this the public hearing and the gist of what he said is it's pretty much the same people who show up to say the same things that have already been said in the committees already heard and i was one of them and you know i was i was struck having that there was a similar problem meeting a year ago i think it was joint between a couple of committees at that time and even outside the regular montpelier players the v s p haleigh that it's this it's a lot of the same folks who feel like standing up and saying their thing and they all pretty much say the same thing the base of the year before so mr margolis his point is the meeting is purely for show it's giving people a chance to say what they want to say that's an interesting perspective i just wanted to say that i i submitted written comments that are included in the testimony and then looking back and reading them you know and yours absolutely right but it's always interesting to see the nuances and what people presented and this time i think there were from what the ones that i've read there was a lot less anger versus last year but more about don't forget this this is an important thing as opposed to you know you're wrong you're crazy you should never do this get out of our business so it was more about trying to sort of finagle and smooth the waters versus trying to change the stream so they did they would they passed their version of age three sixty one last week it was unanimous six so it will now go to the senate finance and then probably the s right around the corner in basically the legislative report that you received the basis of it is what has come out of the senate finance committee a bill that passed so if the bill is approved it's signed by the governor it looks like it's likely something is going to happen whether or not it passes the senate i guess is anybody's guess but it does look like it's going to be debated on the  four which did not happen last year i'm going to send you a link i have it if you want to get i want to know if you want to but it's a comparison of the two bills what the differences are in the house bill said yes so that's  something you're interested i'll send it to you i think it will help you look at what some of the variances are for me john the caps are gone from the senate one yes yes and i think that's the key thing that is really want to highlight first that they have different sections and there's a series of strikeouts and recommendations that they have an h three sixty one but they have come out of the education committee at least and said that number one the recommendations are based on what they see is some solid research out there and that there are there is some empirical that go ahead no you don't ok that out there this shows what some optimal sizes are and that there are a of school districts in vermont that do not even come close to that criteria and i think that's important as we look forward to a lot of the basis of the recommendations are based some real solid research that they've gathered over the last several years and then they've really they've talked about expand or at least expanding and extending the red incentives well i think that might be important for us is that they've talked about two years of a ten cent decrease in the tax rate and i don't know how that would influence us but it does seem a little bit i don't know if i'd use that unfair but i'm  timely that we would get less of a tax reduction than people that go forward from now on so i mean i think that something maybe to enquire about as we move down the road that's something that stuck out to me and that i think is you know just because you're the first district to do this doesn't mean you should be necessarily penalize so i think maybe that's something that they might want to revisit certainly that's the feedback that i'm giving represent is the other pieces are they've come out and they've clearly said that there's a preferred they they're saying the preferred district structure is a supervisory  district structure that governs students pre k to twelve so that's a that's somewhat of a sea change i think from last year but clearly sixto that that's what they're saying that they support a  supervisory district you know they've talked about between eleven and nine hundred students so there is some intersect between the house and the senate bill but there are a lot of differences and you should take a look those and them and think about those bit and then they have given there is some of the thirty that they've given the secretary to look at when the dust settles in two thousand and twenty to take a look at what the districts look like and then prepare a plan for the state board of bed in the legislature to consider you know what do we do with some of the districts that may not have merged so there is there is movement and i think we all were thinking maybe there wouldn't be but it looks like there is going to be necessarily direct mandates but procedures that are put in paley's certainly that will probably encourage people to merge and then at some point maybe obligate them to and that the only thing that would would be an absolute cap for every district and i don't think anybody thinks that's probably either was makes financial sense or something that would would garner public very useful because i haven't heard the other side only this side and that's not to say i think caps are great idea but there's a difference between saying the constitution prohibits it work should die and the legislature committee members got to go assessments which is also a nice business but just to let you know this is information not decision making we're going to organize a committee you know in the next month and stuff is going to help us do that this week this policy so policy you know the the big thing is that we need some membership for the committee from the three m board and right now we have a plan for the c s u policy committee to continue on but we have a policy need the graduation a policy a new graduation policy based on the education quality standards and were mandated to have this in place or getting going so  hile the c s u group could could do that i think it's it really would be nice actually if if we had you know three on board representation on that i i just wish we could have our policy committee in place to do that but at any rate by july we do need to have a policy committee and no i don't know what would happen in terms of who would write the policy governance policy that's a question whether the policy committee would be working on that or whether that would be wellbore deborah good to talk to somebody yeah yeah because that's that's a lot of big work but so at this point what i'm looking for for the structure of the policy committee which would be a c s u governing board policy committee but we need to have different representation than what we have now because most of the people on there are their boards are becoming defunct and they're not board members anymore so i need new board members am fine with staying on his chair stacy from huntington still wants to stay on so we're looking for three other board members to have a five person committee that would meet once a month for an hour and a half to do policy and that usually involves a hearing from the administration or agency of education as to what policies we might need what things need to be react plus the general work of making sure that none of our policies are over five years old and you all know we've been working on that and that's why we've been getting a bunch of policies to be rescinded and changed and so forth still looking for some warm bodies and  have and then we need other board members that are there want to be on it starting actually pretty quickly so that we can to get some policies completed that will affect us next year and that are required by do i was right if i had the committee in place then i would have this that committee work on the graduation policy and then that committee would once nice sunsets then they would take over responsibilities just in a different format but same a lot of the same work until we find out that there's different work if we do find out there's different  of it you were overwhelmed by the response i was overwhelmed by the response of my head to one person i didn't ask what was required but actually you know it i don't know that it needs to be that i mean i had planned on having this is an agenda item that's what i had asked for actually because i needed to have the selection done could we cue jefferson airplane with volunteers for america decide we don't have to be committed anymore to a particular day and that's the day this with the new you know committee membership we can do it whenever we need to do you know whatever's going to work for people i don't have any hard bodies today i don't want to  you know you have to you have the essential office we had traditionally been meeting at central office we have support from stephanie to take the minutes so we don't have to find someone to scramble for minutes we have agenda to jordan's pretty much leading the charge with me and we do all of the groundwork ahead of time we bring everything organized to people and say here's what needs to be done here's the reasons why and people hash it out have some good conversation and then we make some actions and leave it's that's possible but if one person can't make it it just gets really awkward  email me and let me know so then it can be done you know just have to be on the agenda because then i'll know and i do just i hope i say this respectfully before beverages we are we have to remember they're serving on a committee may meetings and do their agenda together and the whole purpose of that is to avoid us being tied up in what we have to wait for that board to do it no we have to wait for that board other board to do it so why you have to warn the agenda so that we don't get tied up in knots there yet so perhaps as we're looking at other forms of government it should be done at the c s u board i mean just i feel like that's a really good question i think because u governing body is this board and a representative from huntington i think it's worth as we're going through the discussion saying you know this may be something that we want to also adopt and shit  east and have that be part of the discussion but then from a practical matter you also would take it with your you how are you governed transportation special education and shared services is a question exactly right yeah yeah absolutely and that's all that was there were you and i talk of and i talked about this being ten when we're talking about the joint finance committee was the intent of the articles was to be merging things that make sense and all the i think that makes a lot of sense during the discussion to say let's not forget she had a nice day and is this is this it governance framework we want to use there as well  think that that gets really important given the fact that one of the big things you're doing is measuring how you're superintendent is performing and it groups are you know you can't have it be done two different ways in a sense stuck out in my mind so yeah i think that's really important to explore there thanking me for bringing that up and the other business right  executive session personnel review to go into that i'm looking at i was going to move that we go into executive session for the purpose of discussing board may take an upcoming labor negotiations would clearly place the board had a substantial disadvantage and therefore the board votes to go into executive session for the purpose of discussing labor negotiations with its employees and personnel issues