because it's september eleventh we're going to ask in the because of the hurricane damage in ermine harvey we're going to ask for a moment of silence to begin the thank you very much now we're going to go to community events at him as mr chair community event is belmont drives electric come celebrate national drive electric week and join us for a ride and drive events sunday september seventeenth from one till four pm at the general middle school you can test drive s u v s several dealers and local owners will have s u v s i'm sorry evey's available to check out and test drive you complete register their website or just show up you have a chance to experience and compared today's modern electric vehicles and plug in hybrids at the same time there's also going to be a community information fair with goals and benefits for adoption of electric vehicles in belmont the big community tables with information on all manners of conservation a food truck from the phoenix grill eat clean drive clean music games and more will be gave giveaways for test drives including a free weekend rental of a tesla model x which is the really expensive one with the go away goal door so if you can't make it you can r s v p or stay informed or talk to a volunteer e v coach or set up a free test drive at w w w dot belmont drives electric dot org six one seven eight five five fifty four zero five or e mail belmont drives electric edgy mail dot com but could you say a word just about this one just yeah i mean this was a print that i saw online while i was on vacation over in back in june or july it's an original page out of this architectural magazine from eight hundred eighty one i believe which was a very low circulation magazine and apparently very few copies of survived and of those that survived very few with the illustrations in them or actually hand colored as this one is so actually it's a very rare  print from a very rare magazine and it's of our belmont town hall so apparently back in one thousand nine hundred one they felt that this building was architecturally significant enough to be in a national publication albeit just for the professionals of the time so i found it online in minnesota and it needed to come home so i got it framed it and put it up here i showed it to phyllis before we put it up to make sure that i wasn't crazy that we didn't have five or ten of these lying around somewhere and that was in fact a rare real thing and in fact it is so great and so i think i think items from belmont i found interesting bottle of i guess ginger ale from one thousand nine hundred from the belmont bottling company which was a subsidiary belmont belmont spring so i didn't buy that so that's still available and guess what but i did see this and the price  wasn't much because i don't think that they they really value what minnesota but i think we certainly do here looks like it found a home with the n b a three with the clock to the right we look at it and i think the clock over there is amazing you know the first thing is the clock is over there so that's part of the whole deal ok so now we go to questions i'm kidding as you all know i'm very active in town politics but jennifer's i'm sorry erin libyan precinct seven i'm active in town politics really because i love this town and i want to make it everything it can possibly be a lot like the rest of the people in this room we all have opinions there are truths and maybe non truths there are facts that definitely need to be identified and brought to the surface in details that seem to be missing in the public in the public setting in public forum now of course i come from a communications background so it's partially communications but it's also that there is a louder voice that is extremely negative right now and so i come before you as i did on august twenty fourth in my e mail to the three to the selections mailbox asking for remediation it is it has come to my attention that and i've been a victim myself of this kind of spewing of hatred and disrespect calls for people's reading resignations and if not booting them off of committees when they're volunteering i've also seen a lot of names printed in media and on the belmont tony in belmont citizen harold i think that instead we need to turn this around i think we need to foster open mindedness we need to help people stay respectful and we need to encourage positive sentiment in town and what i'm standing here in front of you with are my questions to which i posed in the e mail are you concerned as well have you considered any remedies to this and what is your plan to address this have you considered remedies you are the leaders the elected leaders of this town i don't see anybody else at the forefront who should be handling this unless i'm mistaken i did also email the town moderator and town clerk and haven't heard from anybody so it's up for jim who encouraged me to come and actually put a face to this issue i mean i think obviously i don't i don't take kindly to people maligning other people in the in the setting certainly i can tell you from being going to court and appearing in front of judges appearing in front of other boards and not being on this board that people don't listen when you start getting personal and getting extremely aggressive i find that that doesn't help your case a matter of fact i think it hurts your case and if your case were stronger you probably wouldn't have to do that there are some first amendment issues though i don't really know what we as a board can or should do to tell people they can't express themselves in a public forum like this i think they probably don't do themselves the best service by doing it in a certain way but i don't know that we can really under the first amendment do a whole lot to tell people they can't say i don't like so and so person or i think they're wrong or i want them removed i mean they can have an opinion and they can state the opinion i don't have to agree with it or like it will do what we do with them or we don't do what we do with them we've certainly heard these kinds of statements from people before i know that you when you were chair you voted you've actually had i was there a meeting where you admonished aaron at one point on the on the point what we're doing the liquor license business so i did not like this doesn't go all the way around i don't think it's helpful occurred i mean at the end the day these of these folks are volunteers and for be screaming for their resignation because they have a certain political point of view is totally acceptable i think as a board we need to say it's unacceptable we don't accept this behavior we need to have civil discourse we're not washington d c we need to treat each other with respect and civility we may disagree in disagree strongly that's ok you've seen members of this or just try to i think we still have respect from one of the even that we do disagree strongly so i think we as members of the board like  the executive branch of government attorney to set an example into deliver a strong message to those individuals that are disrespectful and use social media and other means to disparage individuals that are simply just trying to do their job and say it's totally unacceptable and frankly from my point of view when someone does that arises that level in the same e mail i completely discount it i don't respond and i haven't responded for the past seven years when i get an e mail attacking someone so as far as i'm concerned when someone broaches me in that way or says a point of view and they sort of tear someone down or disrespectful i completely discount don't even listen to their point of view so i appreciate you coming forward because i think it's just been unfortunate has been a lot of emotion and you know we were all in for the same thing we're all in for a better we don't need to be like the washington d c is today we need to treat each other respectfully we may completely disagree in terms of how we need to move forward we need to just agree to disagree respectfully and so appreciate your comments i really do thank you ok well i can mirror my colleague's comments i don't think personal attacks are very useful in advocacy i'm concerned t your question your first question with regard to adam's comment i don't know what we can do as a board with regard to remedies and as we're sitting here we don't have a plan but of course you just asked the question so i'm willing to take this up with phyllis and we'll explore what can be done from this body to do it with regard to my personal approach  i use carl sagan's baloney detection kit and you can google it it's a good it's it gives you about thirteen items that you can measure someone's comments by and one of them in there if you want to discount what somebody's saying is anytime somebody uses a personal attack to support their opinion and like mark if i see that in an email if i have time sometimes i will write back not in kind but in a measured way but usually i have to ignore it because i just don't have time to to deal with the all the emails that come through i do want to say that every email we encourage people to communicate with the board of selectmen through this the letterman's mailbox because it's the easiest way because of the open meeting what we can't talk to each other outside of these meetings so if you want to talk to all of the selectmen send something to the board of selectmen at the mailbox but that those are public documents and so if if someone is sending a message that's impolite or it's a personal attack i would ask them to think twice before they send something like that to us because it's not very useful so my response is yes i'm concerned i haven't considered remedies yet other than what i just described i think carl sagan's baloney detection kid is a good place to start if you haven't seen it you can google it i'm also reading a book now called fantasy land by kurt andersen and i recommend that to anybody who's concerned about this this issue because what he's describing is a culture where someone who believes something their beliefs become truth and they may not be they may not reflect reality so you have to pay attention to that but i recommend that book at some to long read but it's an interesting one and then i'll discuss with of them out there that you could implement and then reply with when people do send you know these personal attacks but i think the the other point just to follow up is that when somebody uses something like that to support their tantrum management that's what that was there and that was our name for it and we would say ok charles thank you for your opinion we'll get back to you you know so tantrum management doesn't work thank you aaron for bringing it up in there  and and so i know we won't discuss it tonight because they didn't say a minute in advance but but i think that would be very helpful and to understand the role of elected officials appointed officials and how we work  world events don't send us thinking from now until december we are reasonably optimistic that we will be meeting or hopefully even exceeding our assumed great investment return for two thousand see that our investment consulting first so that's good news for the board and let's hope that that continues throughout the rest of the calendar year the second point as you alluded to mr chairman is the fact that we've had some turnover  in our office personnel angelo who we poached from the state board of retirement has been reproached by the state board of retirement and has gone back to the state board to assist them in the implementation  of the state which i'm which new retirement software program with which she has a particular expertise or i might add she is downstairs right now working in the retirement off still on sort of a part time consultant basis and and helping out the office  who was the assistant retired in a straight has been appointed as the interim executive director and robert is here with us tonight robert and our new hire is ryan horan again another individual tremendous asset to our members and beneficiaries great news which brings us to the third point which is really the focus of our meeting today and that is the existing office space that we have a team in right now and  be available forests he's so an expert in in the expanding compacted spaces he did the design for the east saving spank that used to be in waverly square and they had limited space theory sort of maximized so we thought you might get some ideas from the beach street center would be a really appropriate setting for retirement office being that the council of aging is house down i know that in allentown for example the ellington retirement office is because a lot of things they do some mutuality between the council meeting and in the retirement board but we've been frustrated and now we start to look for outside private office space and unfortunately a commercial to our budget and as you know our budgets are funded exclusively by our return on our vestments without any further contribution from the town but has but as adam noted that the town meeting last april every dollar cou and so we want to make the board aware of that and maybe solicit some assistance from the board of selectmen if you are aware of any office space that might be conducive for the retirement board now is the time to bring forward because we are under some time constraints we have we have security we have ricky keeping requirements we have retirement counseling requirements and and unfortunately the space on the first floor here is no  looking at that before david laughed and then i understood and so i was not interested in that space and so we let it go and have not followed up the space is still there so we could your your needs and i think you should go ahead and pursue you know the best option that you can find because there's as i know it there's nothing in the school building there's nothing in the light building there's nothing this i think the space is totally inadequate i think your mission is important too for your employees and for the town as well and for yourselves you know you're still going to have the board meetings in this building though right well not  all the departments who were received a copy of this that is community development the water department and the like department it's for as described it's just for the next property on the street and as you can see on the attachment for that that shows the drawing it's on the very for one house and perhaps at some point number thirty nine might ask for gas i mean when we do this and this question has been asked before by this board we typically canvas the other the other bettors and say we're inch gas main and robin wood road from the existing four inch gas main and house number twenty five southerly to house number thirty one in order to provide a new gas service to number thirty one robin wood road and that national grid must do the restoration patch according to belmont department of public works usual requirements which would including but not limited to sock cut trench tack and seal basin joints binder on top course second on favor i would like to thank you i why i had conversations with phyllis tried to communicate the view that there really isn't a role for the board of selectmen in this particular set of circumstances particularly along the lines that was urged in mr duncan's letters to the board the the properties that are currently owned by the town that were part of the mcclure that are benefited by an easement over the strip of land that is  and in fact communications or this concern similar concerns have been raised with those committees and those committees are are actively considering what use they want to make of that easement and i've been in contact with them and with steve kidder who's an attorney who's on the land management committee and we're moving forward with some you know further discussion about how the town only and should make use of that easement but in the meantime it's not as owning issue it's really not something that the planning board should be leveraging in a site plan approval i've recommended that the planning board include explicit language in their decision that approval of whatever belmont day school was going to build in no way constitutes a i don't think appropriate to suggest that the planning board should be trying to leverage as zoning decision to obtain some kind of concessions concerning the use of the easement when the town boards that are in charge of that easement haven't really even made any explicit decisions about how they want to use it so i didn't think it was appropriate for the planning board to do more than it has done or for this board to weigh in on that topic the  committees that are in charge of that land are are talking about how they want to use it for access and we're i think going to be moving forward with some communications with the day school on that issue so they'll have  their subject open meeting most of the meeting they are i believe they've already had open meetings discussing the topic ok that's what i wanted the public to understand why that didn't come before the board is what i think you  director susan k weiner raising activities to benefit the sport program including the sponsorship of unusual golf tournament bingo nights best ball shooter at phones in flower sales as well as leading some mission of green proposed that there is funding organizations in where our susan k camp serving a few dozen boma children and group it to a flourishing social and sport program but today in roles more than three hundred participants of all ages threw up a moment in neighboring towns and where as susan k weiner having built the most acclaimed regional program especial messages today has afforded participants the opportunity to travel across the state country in the world to compete in state national international special olympics games in whereas susan k weiner has taught us all one of the most important lessons of life that all people deserve our total respect how well stated now therefore be it resolved that the board of selectmen of the town of belmont joins with the town of pain tribute to this outstanding achievement you have set a high standard of commitment and dedication which the youth of our to maybe have budgeted this important program in the recreation department for some time and it has operated with a number of other municipalities who send who also have participants who join in this program and it's operated on a fairly unstructured platform and so this is has been discussed with the town of watertown since february to have a more structured formal participation and we are the two communities that have the most participants in it and so we're looking to have this document that will help us with regard to structuring our liability obligation and the cost of this program the town of watertown and the town of belmont have in kind services in addition to the facilities and stuff like that and stuff and stuff correct and it's in the budget correct the six thousand dollars it's in the first year agreement as we had budgeted that and they also add budget that to in how many children there's about three hundred fifty participants between watertown belmont and one other community it's about half of that is winters over purchasing agent and i guess want to find out that and i notice that in the back here talk about who pays for what it isn't fifty fifty so the question then becomes are we getting reimbursed for what we're actually spending is this breakdown fair do we have office space because we seem to have to talk of the time aboard don't seem to have a lot to markets are public works as part of the one super tired we had saw an opportunity to like we said restructure this there was no formal way of us getting a reimbursement at all from watertown they actually had sue on their payroll and with that when she because she was doing work for water  sport for watertown residents and therefore they watertown saw that they had some i think sixty five residents participating that they put her on their payroll as a part time we when she retired asked if we increased one of our staff members hours that we we get reimbursed for time with hours staffing material utilities things of that nature and this puts that into a agreement that for the amount of time that we put in and the facility that we get from them the van that we get from them the driver of that van fifty fifty but we are the lion's share of the program and i see that with that's what i'm asking is here it says here that the payroll cost knowledge will benefits for up to three employees based in watertown they pay one hundred percent of its payroll cost knowledgeable benefits rather employees i'm assuming the ones in belmont because we're the only other town is one hundred percent of us and it doesn't have the number of employees and it also has an ability in this agreement for other towns to join which would be great so water temp is one hundred percent of theirs and then for all other towns we pay how's that going to bring other people in so right now watertown and belmont have a preferred rate and then every other community that purchase space pays the full price so there are fees collected from participants in this program and that over the larger cost also covers so also in as a as an element of the study that was done for the recreational services a strategic plan that you received last in them for parts and this is another mechanism where we wanted to structure it more clearly both the town the town of belmont legal team and the town of watertown refuted both towns are covered by my so that helps us with regard to liabilities for use of property and equipment and so the idea was to have the structure for the two most heavily participating communities and then we will reach out to the other communities and look to make changes in this going forward but the idea was to try and have a more defined structure for the program and its contribution as have the other members of the recreation department made this program one that's very well used and successful right and so the point now is to try and have a more defined structure for that and and and call out some of those benefits that are contributed by belmont and by watertown but not by other communities so we intend to have conversations with the other participating towns to see what contribution they can make to the program and more self sustaining so the six thousand dollars in the budget here is that just beyond the amount that the participants are paying and fee and that would cover everything well we're trying to get towards that there are still general fund these costs don't include these are just the direct costs they don't include some of the other utility costs that you get five other towns and then the admin becomes a lot and we have to start hiring people and becomes a whole big thing we have much of that responsibility already and that was the point of sharing this thing i want to sleep five more towns that it's going to be a much larger job there i just want to make sure we're not go that as watertown approve this already there were once we approve again the same the shares and they they have it i would like to say have a more simpler process it's just a town manager assigned who's the director who's the new director there were chosen of belmont sport is a five a one c three and they and they collect donations so the friends of belmont sports working with watertown and belmont sport so belmont sport runs the program as a as a recreation program the golf tournament is this is this fund raising and all that the field trips and stuff another way correct the  plug right now with all the work that is done is done in the recreation department belmont friends of belmont sport has not contributed to belmont sport but they contributed to watertown for there and kind services for the van for hi suze time it's never been a one hundred percent recovery we were losing about twenty let's just say twenty two thousand last year budget it was fifty seven thousand in salaries and materials and other incidentals the amount of money that we got in it was about thirty five thousand watertown never had any of those expenses we carried the lion's share of it this was an opportunity for us to start getting back some of the stuff and structuring it in a way instead of these handshake deals that were done way back when this is a way to form of just going after watertown because there are three hundred fifty participants sixty five from our town seventy from belmont sixty five from off them i could go on and on i think we have this approach is different from lenox mass there are using this program so one by one we're going to start working on the other communities and we're going have a formal agreement with the friends of belmont sports which is a third party similar to what new and does  reimbursed for like the golf tournament we do everything out of the record and apartment and it's all for the friends of homes for they don't give us any of that in kind services for time materials utilities that so in the beginning of this program it was a smaller program and it was still administratively handled through belmont but as it began to grow and be more successful it just there was a lot of his hand shakes but it was really people coming trying to step up to make sure the program could be successful as it grew and so now we're trying to structure it as one of the programs that we looked at under the recreation strategic plan to try and do a better job of recovering the cost of programming and to still allow for good participation and and strong programming and so  there's been an effort and recognize the number of people who participate from the various communities and make that into a more structured arrangement so that people recognize the cost and benefit of the program if you  this arrangement well i like the idea of putting it all in writing believe me but you believe this arrangement will be of benefit to belmont both financially and programatic lee absolutely from the current situation ok ok i'm fine with this motion this work i move that we clancy director of community development this evening i am actually here to bring three different requests for parking restrictions all three requests have come from private property holders owners i am i guess the conduit who is bringing these matters before the board as we've discussed previously the board and then the board alone i have the ability to approve these requests so i am here to present each one of these matters such as the first one on the agenda is the request for one hour parking on belmont street this is a request that was made by the kendall nursery school on belmont street the kendall school has an active population of parents and children that attend that school during the week further down belmont st there's also the christ moved lutheran preschool and what has happened is currently the parking along that stretch of belmont street is unrestricted what has happened with the construction work going on in cushing school because of the way for example the safety fencing has been placed at the cushion village site it's no longer reasonable for somebody to park on common street and be able to get somebody out of that vehicle up to the corner and down belmont street because the fence comes right out to the curb line and so if you're a parent you would park on common street you have you don't have the ability to walk around to the passenger side of the car because the fence at the construction site restricts you  also in the past parents were able to utilize the former c v s site as a point where they could park walk the children up around the corner obviously that's out of play as well and so what we have here is a condition that has been explained to myself in the police department as a safety issue because the parking on belmont street is is currently unrestricted those spaces are virtually never available for parents there is the opportunity for several side streets on the watertown side  beaumont street for parents to park however crossing beaumont street during peak hour with a child is not a safe thing to do we have looked actually at locations along that area of belmont street in the past to see whether or not it was feasible to put a cross walk in sight distance requirements and  in different other siting requirements have prevented us from doing that and so i see it as a safety issue the police department sees as a safety issue as well and so the request before the board is to take that stretch of belmont street and and sign up for one will parking in the request is one hour parking from eight am to four pm monday through friday which would you know encompass most if not all of the the business day for both of these uses my only feeling was that this is being this is a temporary situation because of the construction that maybe that we have a sunset on there like until i don't know like september eleventh the twenty eighteen or certificate of occupancy issues for the cushing village aka bradford or something like that comes first so that we you know if it's temporary it was going to i don't want to go into place that everyone forgets about and it just cranks on forever so we put something like that but certainly during construction that makes perfect sense if you usually park in the park and there during the day turn over once from there you have their faces that we pushed out into the various sort of trees that's not one of them right that's correct and i'm glad to hear from the president but before that  how does this help the problem but having the one hour limit people will still be parking on the street so yes as i said just said there's no turnover currently and so once a car parks there could be seven pleat today so that does happen with the seventy three way over the bus people hop on that and leave the car for the day plus now with the temporary construction workers also parking there even though they're not allowed to they still do when they get there before they get there at seven or seven there in the morning and then they stay all day and so that's been hard i've brought photographs to show that you know in front of the building there's and neighbors there's just no place for families to park and i even have pictures of some of the construction guys coming getting in another car so the families don't need to park more than the families park anywhere from five minutes to twenty minutes they really just need to walk their child or children in safely they often have infants and toddlers with them as well so their hands are full and sometimes their grandparents dropping off and the further way they have to park is problematic and dashing across belmont street is very very dangerous and we really recommend that they if they have to park across the street on level road but they go to the cross walk and come around but the problem is that people do dash across and it's right at the commuter time and there's been a lot of close calls i've seen them and the problem is that the cars parked in front of like i think if you looked at the run i mean it's fine to listen to how it works right now of course could always do that if you look at the number of spaces available out there i think it's somewhere around ten to twelve i think in the conversations with the police department you know you're ordinarily this is a one hour a two hour type of restriction that we would talk about i think we felt that one hour was a reasonable compromise i think fifteen minutes is probably if you think about off school hours if there's a couple of m p s ticketing someone if you think about well if you think that we approve a temporary went to a parking restriction on down the street from common street to the crosswalk near the christ lutheran church for medium to four pm monday through friday we want to put a sunset provision like i was talking about the beginnings this is temporary that way and doesn't just drag out like well it ok so the second one this is a request that comes from the property owner at two hundred two hundred two two color road this particular property owner has a similar view challenge as the previous case in this case the property owner this is a two family property the property owner in the property owners tenant are both older they are not so old or so infirm to that they have an opportunity for a handicapped placard or some kind of restriction that way the concern is is that that and this gentleman in all fairness has been asking for this for a couple of years now anyway want to know he's just he's got an all day parking situation in his front door fronts on to road and himself for his tenant they just don't have a fair shot at parking in front of the house if they want to unload groceries and do the any of that kind of stuff and so this request here is for two hour the gentlemens  point is that if you can get a two hour restriction in keep keep the cars turning over it increases the likelihood that himself or his tenure will have an opportunity to park in front of the property so this is this is a corner property and if you look at your diagram surely you have color excellent so you can see that it's a corner property and so that the the proposal list of signed just that small frontage in front of this property up to the corner and you know respond to  residents request for having a little bit of a better shot at parking in front of his house one space i guess it could be two i mean depending on the size of the vehicle in how close they can get to the corner it would be one to two to two spaces maximum  property of a driveway driveways around the corner off the side street but the front entrance is on your pillow it was a park in the driveway they absolutely can park in the driver but as i said if they're on loading items by being able to they can access the fun to us that is what it was explained to be the gentleman of course he couldn't be here this evening to flesh out the details here but that is what was explained to me you're saying mark that this is come up before oh yes and what happened then we've said we have to look at the matter we this last one here is really sort of a i guess i just kind of a bookkeeping exercise here the the uplands development on equal part drive was permitted by the  install bicycle lanes on both sides of a coin park drive from the access road that connects lake street to route two so if you come off of lake street there's an access road that is from that access road that you take the right to access it will impact drive but so from that location to the cambridge line which bisects equal park drive the condition required the installation of bike lanes on either side of equal i five whose condition was that that was the zone of the belmont zoning board of appeals ok so so far so good in fact the developer has has striped the bike lane they have installed the signage everything is great unfortunately there was never any signage to indicate that you could no longer park on equal and park drive and so we have people that are parking on equal one to walk to the the businesses and the  office buildings in cambridge but they park in right smack in the middle of a bicycle lane and so what i'm asking is to for the boy to approve no parking signs along both sides of the roadway so that it's clear and so that belmont police can enforce the fact that there is no longer parking in the many charging places are we talking about there's nothing marked so it really is it's a length of road at least at least especially if you factor in both sides of the road so there's going to be a lot of unhappy people in cambridge which is the reason i preface it with that that they have parking lanes and then and then they have another another lane outside of where the cars parked so why wouldn't we do that in this case is the road not wide enough yeah i think i think in this case i mean they're doing that on concord avenue right or cross equaling park drive from the development site there's a lot of wetlands there with so there's actually a portion where over the road already built right road is already built and i can the right of way of the road that is constructed isn't wide enough to provide i'm so it's not quite enough and that's right i got in there was an opportunity to widen it because of the resource area i just thought that was interesting that they had begun to do that to put the bike path you know it's inside isn't it's not outside it's inside i mean there are a couple ways to do it one of the techniques is to put the bike lane along the curb line and then have a buffer a buffer lane a strike to buff a lane between the bike lane and the traveling but obviously in concord ave in cambridge they took the whole bike lane and put it up on the sidewalk off the roadway of him and i just noticed the difference up there and i thought i'd ask the question so this road is not wide enough to do that it's  school parking question yes bob could you come up for a minute of selectmen or that it was our decision and i'm wondering what you know what's the traffic committee doing about it and you can't and this is not a gotcha we just you know we're just interested because our school started and you know they have people parking on both sides of the street and i it's a it's a problem for the neighborhood bike so is the chair of the traffic advisory committee was approached with this issue several months ago and the concern from the neighborhood of the number of vehicles that are parking on street during the day congestion proposal was put forward by the traffic advisory committee at their june meeting it did not go over well and at that point the traffic advisory committee felt like you know they were out of out of ideas and so what they were hoping to do at that point was to encourage some of the residents in the neighborhood to have direct communication with principal mcalister at the training middle school to see if they could come up with some kind of a plan that would work for everyone and the traffic advisory committee sort of offered their services as a venue for a public hearing on public presentation the idea be if you if you think you can formulate some kind of an idea or a plan here bring it back to tack intact would be willing to then notify the whole neighborhood bring them all back share the plan and then hopefully have a consensus that could be brought before the board the questions about working groups and subcommittees and all that stuff that that that the town is dealing with right now as a result of the planning board and the belmont day school has sort of put the brakes on that idea but we are still hopeful that a group of residents have the ability to meet with the principal of the chantaburi and try to formulate some kind of a plan that will work well you know offer some comments this and you a letter in april saying you know we've got to do something about this you replied that something would get done in may and and then you came up with a solution that was presented in june but the fire really the process is it we wouldn't appoint a committee how do we how do we go forward on this then that's really what we're asking as i said i still think that the best course of action at this point is to have you know a couple of the residents who can speak on behalf of the neighborhood to sit down with the school and see if they can come up with some kind of an upper texas immersion process i don't know i mean i suppose it's just that i suppose the tack member could be involved i think it would be more productive to have the residents just just take it you know directly to the school he's been copied on all these e mails and he has not responded to any of all he attended a couple of attack me because i mean so he's engaged you know ten to one in june i know that you know he was there before  one prior to that as well i think part of the principal mcallister's frustration here is that there is not an obvious solution to this and you know obviously it's his employees that are looking for the place to park he understands that it's a residential neighborhood traffic advisory committee understands the dynamic up there we just have not been successful at this point in finding a compromise that will work for everyone but it's not it's not for lack of trying and we intact has not thrown the towel in either it's  there yet welcome he could do things like he did it butler have people park between lines between spaces yes this goes on at butler the park down the road and if somebody is in the way they call the office and that person remove talked about that with the fire chief concern was that if you allow parking on one side you have to restrict on the other side because he doesn't want people on both sides of the you know we're talking about in the parking lot of self these are pictures from the butler parking lot cars parked down the middle  understand the problem i understand the urgency and if push comes to shove i'll talk to the principal and organize the meeting myself ok so let me you know you wanted to speak so here we are thank you i thank you bob thank you so next we're going to special town meeting scheduled for november thirteenth issue with regard to the modernization act that requires the towns to address its bylaws and make a modification that will identify all of the revolving funds for no the other thing i was going to mention is that there are some major capital projects working group has been discussing some short term solutions for addressing immediate concerns at the police station backend that report in allow time meeting members to have ask questions and provide input as well we can like that idea actually i haven't chatted of course with emory or other members but even if we have to public hearings as in windows who here who is here attend public hearings typically you have you know limited participation many times have the same folks that come out which is great they're the they're active in town but this is the one time in which you have hopefully trying attendance from  tommy members and three hundred individuals in the room that represent the interests of their respective precincts and i think the media cover project working group would absolutely want to hear from them so other than just a report i think he could suspend the rules if you will and a lot of to be back in it after we conduct business and present the report and then it have questions comments and input and i think that's what we're looking for that sort of at least my point of view is that it would be very helpful to get a sense from this community exactly what their priorities are they'd be an interesting exercise i also want to stay i think we'd said at the spring town meeting we told the library trustees that we would pick them up in the fall about the that's why very building committee and i feel if we sorry i need to know more about but aren't we having separate meetings on the high school building committee or three or four meeting schedule there aren't many why why would we but i'm not being critical or anything else i'm just me what their processes they will also be making a report just to inform people about the status of their project and their process going forward so there will be a when i was freed i'd like to keep the warrant open for a reasonable amount of time in case something else comes up that needs our attention from a business standpoint but i you know i'm just kind of reluctant to bring three hundred people together to talk about something that we're we're talking about all along the way the way i look at it is we have the trash contract coming up we have community pass we have  we have the budget we have this working group for the capital projects which you know you guys are going to give a plan out right yeah and in your plan to give that plan we talked about for half just briefly mention that skating rink in with the plane is there but looking at funding we're looking at proposed solutions but short and long term and that was the plan all along we've been working all summer on this and i think it would be very important opportunity on the two meter no schedule to get additional input in an environment in a meeting which will have close over three hundred tommyknockers ok so i don't need to touch the third rail but you say the library is going to be in there is  in the spring the purpose of the special town meeting was to have action on the modular classrooms that are proposed for the burbank to talk about funding and to have more information on the costs of that project so that was the reason for scheduling the special town meeting in the fall and we have a statutory issue with regard to the modernization act on the by law for the revolving funds and we have to do that that's the reason we but you know so i don't see that as that big a deal except that it has to be done right before january and we have a town meeting to do that yes that's so and with regard to the modulars i never could anna but the idea that we couldn't just you know say they're go cost two point five and figure out how we're going to finance them but you know so i think we might have been able to do that in the town in the in the end you'll tell me but we decided not to do it so here we are in now we need a meeting to do that that's to take what an hour an hour and a half no hundred i don't think so i don't think it'll take very long because there's going to be that whole discussion going to take an hour and a half because everything done i mean it's not going to be a monster long the idea is to do this all in one night i believe no course but they've got some time so you think the funding for the modulars is is not going to be no i think they'll be a discussion about the location more than the probably the funding but they'll be definitely a discussion about the modulars the rest of its own party i think you know i into people flooding the special time meeting with citizen petitions on various issues because it's not over to where this is a very focused narrow town meeting to get in and get out and some stuff that you want to go as i reports and perhaps and i think i have returned i think we'd have to add a third if we told the i can look but i thought that the discussion that you had with regard to library request for the annual tommy was that there would be a report by the major capital projects at the fall town meeting and then there would be a discussion about whether there would be a building committee because the major capital projects was going to put forward and short term and long term to be the protector of this land or they could go in the order i would look at the minutes and i will be sure like to open it close and be done with it you can do it as soon as we have the draft articles and we're working with town council to do that ok it could be the eighteenth or it could be the winners are meeting mon we will love one coming one absolutely much as i hope that the november town meeting is now over quickly we all go home i really don't think it's in the democratic spirit to open and close town meeting like that i think if someone's burning to collect signatures not me for a petition it should have you know week or two i mean there should be an opportunity to do that i agree i agree with you except you know i've been coached by and i know your experience but i've been coached by other people the same topic and you know i said i want to talk to my colleagues about it because you know i think the idea of just opening and closing it is not that never a credit but on the other hand the purpose of we wouldn't have this meeting if we didn't have to address the the revolving accounts and we didn't have to fund the modulars we wouldn't even do the other two things so you know we could have a meeting so i don't know i mean i mean at the end it was right around the corner yes are going to be it's too hard or too long because the more it's you know how do you what you want to special and he just wants people to be able to talk under article one about the major capital i'm just suggesting that it's not my decision it's the time moderate is the source i'm just saying that why is that is have a couple products working group in the members of that group have not yet discussed that matter but i think it's an idea that is worth considering but why have an open mind on that in the high school building committee that that's just a a brief report yes ok so what are we supposed to do not like what we want to know what we were looking at what date to schedule the warrant so we can look at the eighteenth and if we have a draft available and you can share it with a moderator  to go right to the planning board please so let's let's do that how do you guys want to start this chair fight if i could take them a couple of comments you know ok so in the spirit just came to me yesterday  i think we've all heard from members of this community i think we've also heard about some of the civility issues tonight and then also seen some of that as well and then at some of the meetings and so i was continuing to think about thinking about the playing board in my my sense of things based on prior discussions is that perhaps this board will be divided on appointments and that's how committee appointed sometimes happens and occur we could be one of afraid of not exactly so in the spirit of trying to create unity around appointments and moving forward beyond where this community is today unfortunately i thought that was perhaps we should consider look at the  board's article seventeen point two associate members and therefore we have three members that i think we collectively might support appointing one permanent and two associates and a look at the article seventeen this would this is what i asked phyllis about today law to appoint in this an associate member for the purpose a set forth there in so that is of course singular not plural the board of appeals there are three so should members as you might recall that are phyllis today to ask our county council george hall to look at this matter to understand whether in fact we could appoint more than two associate members that email has been shared with us his opinion is since we only have a five member board we can only appoint one associate member and not to go into all the sort of law citations on that now it also spread me to think that ok i by law says we can have five members it doesn't say that we can't have more members if we change by law and so what i'd like to suggest gentleman is we have every year this seems to be a very when say contentious but very active discussion among pleading one point since i've been on this board for seven years in the number of individuals in time all very qualified that want to be on this just for it's an important board and i understand as well that there's a lot of work that this planning board does they do a lot of work and probably have more work than they can get to and i think our staff of every visit we did hire spencer who has urban planning background so we lease we out of resources there i frankly think we need more resources in community development and in planning and so i would like us to think about five to perhaps seven which would allow us to at least have two if not more associate members now maybe that's a little unwieldy but at least at think we would love to those individuals that continue to want to participate on this very narrow board  to participate in frankly split up a lot of the responsibilities that these board members have to participate in so i would very much like to see that her and therefore appoint all members that are qualified so unfortunately we can't do more than one associate member tonight which i think we're unified is around fourteen months so just one of the sort of mention that mr chair thank you so what do you suppose i'm proposing that beyond after this evening that we we consider sponsoring in article at the end of the time mean to change or by law currently states is five appointed members which allows us only one associate member to expand it beyond five to of your points of view in this and probably other folks as well and other members of the planning board but we have every year we have and have been here for seven years number of qualified individuals that want to participate agree it is very important body and i think that it's likely that how this could be organized as a body is that it could be given we just you know they're looking at air b n b the look at all numbers of things that they could each individual that's a point could look at different things within that body so i very much think it's time to expand this this board look at him what do you think on that point so first i've heard that idea so i think i'd have to think about it i mean of course one of the things about making boards larger is you don't necessarily make them faster you often make  slower and you know the whether there are more people who show up to a meeting or not they still have the same items on the agenda and it takes time to get going to them all so i'm not sure that's just other than allowing you to put more people on which i understand the desire to do that and maybe isn't a bad idea but it certainly doesn't necessarily fix the logjam i mean i know the last time we were here we were sort of reason why we put this off was there were some discussions about what who was up and who wasn't up and then we had our you were supporting sandy and and mark was supporting steve and then you pointed out to me that i said sometimes it becomes political so you know here we there we were but we needed to know  want to be reappointed because both mark and i said mark and sammy and i pointed rafi in two thousand and fifteen and we didn't make a mistake we didn't appoint him to two thousand and one thousand because we made a mistake we purposely appointed him through two thousand and seventeen so now we know we got the email from roughly that roughly once right be reelected in the normal course conundrum that we're in and would be to have sanderson be appointed to the full membership position and pinkerton appointed to the associate member position and that way both of them get on i can tell you the rationale for that not aside from making peace with you would go back to the other point of my you could just make one point apologize and i'm fine thank you for me i understand the logic in issues i think some of this perhaps could be staffing i'm just looking to expand the board to bring more expertise to it and i understand the motivation i get in so it may not not off the top of my head rejecting you know i mean i doesn't sound like an absurd idea but i'd have to think about the ramifications of it ok i mean i mean i don't know about you gentlemen but i get a lot of e mails right from people complaining and i think that pot sidewalks parking and i think all of those e mails that i get complaints added up do not equal the number of e mails i get complaining about the planning board and i think that that's before the waverley square issue came up before any of that since i've been and it seems to it's just seems to be endemic that there's been one one complain about the other everything takes too long they make me do all these extra things it's a death by a thousand cuts i come in the mine and i'm told i need to do this this and this and i get there and they want that nat and what that and that they keep putting me off and it's cost me tens of thousands of dollars to come to comply that i want to put a dormer on they're making me do a landscape plan which i got to say i've i've not heard in other towns if that's the case  then you have things like the d m a just terrorist restaurant which goes on and on about one day of school which goes on and on and coming up is going to be you know the general residence district i believe is the general residence district that we passed sunsets in june so we're going to have to be dealing with tweaking that and bringing it to town meeting in the spring on the high school building committee genda of the timeline that we have the high schools going in front of the planning board starting in early december on that agenda so there's a lot there's a lot coming up and things need to move along and i've and i've been troubled as i followed this whole waverley library business which i've sort of at been keeping an open mind on from the beginning but i've got come to the conclusion after hearing it all that especially when we were here last i want to make sure they talk to the library board of trustees because i don't think you can move the library when the elected library trustees were opposed to it i think i don't see how you can even do that or want to do that so i get concerned that even in the face of the fact that to be honest in my mind this and from people talking to people on all sides of the political spectrum because i'm getting this from people all over the place people who tell me i didn't vote for you but i want you blah blah blah that that seems to me that this move in the library away from waverley square is d o a and i'm and the continued push push push for that seems to be taking up a lot of time when there's a lot of things like on the plate that getting that are getting kicked down the road in addition you've got the general residence coming and you've got the high school coming in you're going to have other things that just people coming before them but i  think that the planning board just needs some change and i think putting somebody like sanderson who is a planner i think so if you were posting this job and you got these applications in like we got you we're going to hire somebody how you would not hire sanderson for this job would  mystery to me because it is exactly perfectly qualified for this the i have no problem with steve pinker than on the fact that we only have the one spot and that i would be happy because steve's of community member and he's been very active with the general residence i believe it was you know that getting his feet wet maybe as a associate member because he's not a planner might be a good way to get him on there and i think that it's important that i think i don't know if the plane the board's aware of how unpopular they are or if they care how  unpopular they are but i'm i'm saying now that you're on t v the popularity is probably the least popular board in town i don't think that's an exaggeration from what i've been hearing in the complaints that i've been getting from all sides of the political spectrum people who don't even like me are complaining to me about the planning for  so i know it's got to be true and you know i don't like it if they tell me they don't like me but of a they still come in they and so you know i think that it's just seems to me that that it's not it's just not going to change unless we make some changes and i think this is a place to start and i think every year more seats will come up and there are some more opportunities there i'm just troubled by the direction that things have been going and how the speed the lack of speed with the way things have been going when we did the general residence in the single residence we train we move it made this plane aboard the special permit granting authority which added more on to their plate perhaps it's time to take that off and put it back it put it over with his own board of appeals or something if they're not if they're meeting twice a month and they can't get through the agenda perhaps is just too much on the agenda or maybe they should be more focused on the planning like master planning for certain areas and less on special permits for dormers might be a good idea some of the problem to be fair some of the problem is in the code some people have complained to me about results and i've told them somewhat you know it's not necessarily the plane the board of the building inspector they're just telling you what the law is and the you don't like what the law is and that's something that can be tweaked later we have issues with th ordinance which go way beyond what we're talking about right now but it just seems the interpretation of some of these things i i i go in front of these boards and other towns planning board zoning boards of appeals the level of micromanagement the level of the death by a thousand cuts that kind of thing would drive me crazy if i were the attorney side i mean i've had that i've had people to another towns and i have and i've gone after them and gone up the food chain to the mayor and told him this has to stop when you know you come in with it you're told to bring this and you bring it and it's like well we can't go to we get that well we need that now we need that it's like if you kill me kill me now you know don't drag me out you know i have to spend tens of thousands of dollars and then say no just tell me no now and same of the time money i just it doesn't seem to me in the end they're all good people and i you know and i have and i feel bad about because i know some of them and i've served with some of them and i like them it's not a personal thing it's just observing it and the way that things have been going for i don't think it's working for the town and that's why i would i think we need reluctantly i'm not thrilled with having to say this and i'm not proud about it but i think if we did if we made ed sanderson who i think you know a plan or former plan for the city of los angeles for god's sake put him on the playing board as a full member but mr pinkerton has been very involved and wants to that would be my request of you this evening a long winded way of saying no appreciate your comments out of what we would normally do is asked the chairman  what their preferences for the candidates that were forward and she lives in the audience list would you like to join us for a minute ok so i have a couple of questions for you one is you're aware of the people that are being proposed do you have a preference for the appointments appointments when i always look for two things first there's are you generally a good committee member do you show up are you prepared are you can you help move the process along and the second or skills that are relevant to what the committees charged with doing and rafi's record in with respect to the first set of characterises is exemplary and to the second he brings a deep knowledge of environmental issues which is helpful in many of the projects we work on he brings an understanding of the town's fiscal situation i think we would all agree the war committee is a good school for getting the structure of the town's fiscal situation into your bones he is deeply committed to civil and respectful process is part of the skill of being a good planning board member is to be able to help people know with respect to things they very much want to do i think he's been exemplary at that and i would like to see him  the members for that year have been appointed on the theory that it's a good idea to let people vote on the chair they'll be serving with so i would then expect that to be  in the end most of what much of what the planning board does depends on and i'm this actually goes to some of the points that you made earlier that i'd like to speak to the planning many of the things the planning board does requires going to town meeting and getting articles passed by a two thirds majority and it's very valuable that's a very valuable process because it forces you to talk to many many people and to understand in detail on in how that works it is a learned a learnable feel but it is something that you know steve has been to many planning meetings and would it be about this board ready as anyone could be again that is not to say it's not something that can be learned it clearly is what do you think about mark's idea not in my mind it's not going to help us out but the idea of having  ts or would you see that as more complicated well to borrow a line from mr dash i hadn't thought about it before this evening and i'd want to think about it but seven is a reasonably manageable number isn't it the magic number that of things people can keep in their head in the wonders of the world yes it's no good number for we're looking to you know let's  if i if i bide i would like to speak to a couple of it would be a pretty poor chair who didn't defend their committee and i really like to speak to a couple of the points adam made so i think the the first point i would make is again that for the last four years the planning board has brought forward numerous substantial articles to town meeting and the planning board has not lost a vote of town meeting there's you can't do that mean planning town meeting members represent their constituents they're part of the community you can't pass motions you can't pass major by law change after made major by life change if you are that unpopular i think there is perhaps a temporary spike of the issues we have dealt with in the last two months three months would you care to guess which is number one in the comment column the answer is belmont base school by a very wide margin very wide margin far more than on any other topic we've ever dealt with hundreds  then just two more point speak which i think are the major points that you were making one is do you get complaints yes because town meeting said we want to balance the equities between people who want to have build their dream house a fifty four hundred square feet on a six thousand square foot law and town meeting that says we don't want to the community to look that way and that is by it very nature a process that is going to produce some unhappy people it is the it is one of the committees where you have to balance the equities the board of selectmen is the most important of the committees because you balance the equities all the time but we are not a single issue committee and we are balancing equities every single week i there's numerous factual issues that we could undoubtedly resolve in a more detailed conversation probably not best not held at nine thirty in the board of selectmen room about the lack of direction to applicants but i think applicants if one now looks for example that the general residence district applicants move through quite quickly because the rules have been clarified over time the town clerk could tell you we tried it we do our best to go back to what town meeting said and why it said it and convert those into standards but that is a process that takes time and it's case like you have to build it one case at a time but happy to get interpretation would be as it has been which has caused some of the some of my troubled thoughts about and if it isn't what town meeting one it will change it of course you know  but i agree i am one of the all the people here i was in but that by law was in place before i was appointed the information i have is that you were the first to say so i just wanted to mention well thanks for being here sure i check in to work together on the financial task force oh that's right that revenue opportunity just a group you know that's a good one and then you are on the planning board and then you came back right you left yes and i actually think and mark's idea which i think you know i i i think seventh always a good number for a board what what brought you to the point you know you and i talked earlier today and i asked you if you were chair going in a different direction then i think what's proper to go for was allowed to go i think from this point i think what we have to do is we have to restore confidence in the plane moving forward and i think that needs a change of leadership and the things that liz talked about were absolutely true the playing board needs to have the confidence of the community going forward to be able to pass major  legislation in the town meeting and i think that confidence has been fractured at this time and i think we need to move forward in a positive way that's later is why i wanted to have spin the board but i mean one of them is what i'm hearing from a lot of people and i guess you're voicing it from from the board as soft as just a level of dysfunction i think a board of this import cannot have and i think the the latter and i think that a lot of some of that comes from a lack of honest lack of planning expertise on the methink people need to be able to read plans is important to people from different walks of life but it's a planning board it's not the one committee i mean it's a board that needs people who can read plans and do master planning and i think that's what i get i said if you had a planning board if you were hiring someone for this job and you had the resumes in front of you we have you would hire mr sandison in a heartbeat are you i would i can't understand so i don't wonder i guess i don't understand why he wouldn't be the first choice for full member you want to talk about associate member i guess we could talk about associate member that's fine i mean i if i'm not trying to shove roffey out i mean if i want to go over and be a no associate member and there's only one who feels there's an opening there for instance by the planning board and what it's doing cannot go on  playing board and we have different leadership in terms of the playing board especially if we had differences in the appointments if one of the members if the associate member was not reappointed and we had a different associate member i think that would change the dynamics on the board i think we would have new leadership elected i think we would learn from the very many positive things that lissa's done i think we would also learn from some of the issues that have come up i think we could real stablish the confidence that the town should have in the planning board and i think there's a lot of work i mean adam was talking about liz was talking about it  mark was talking about there's a lot of work that has to be done on the playing board and i think we need to get past the problems of being distract from what the important issues are we have lost from my point of view what's important is on the fiscal house which is what i looked at and i've been looking at this since i joined the police board in about two thousand and ten we've looked at self pleasant street and we looked at waverly square i've spent over thirty years  idea sort of created this traction here understand the need to put planning experience on the board and i believe more that needs to be added from a staff perspective i support rafi and steve that i'd like to expand the board and just to see us and other members that are qualified in the spring of next year at this point this has got in the way of that the plane board had no authority to do this the planning board the members of the plane with that posed this proposal that of playing board meeting but nobody knew anything about it so it wasn't as if it was something that came out of a consensus from playing as i've said before if we had a real discussion in a real planning meeting that we had spent some time looked at things that had been done before this a lot of research has been done on where really squares were going back twenty years or so what to do selfless and street where police where if we had got together formed the sure red group and talked about that and if this ha been one of the concepts that came up and somebody had talked about that there along with perhaps maybe we should get an office building there maybe the town should move something to a thousand other things we could have talked about it at that point and come to some sort of a consensus and said well that's not such a good good idea this is not such a good idea and any case the point of the playing board on all of this is not is the play but it's not the boston redevelopment  ty doesn't have and the domain authority it can't create things what you basically do is is you issue deal with the zoning and see if you can change the zoning to encourage development in a direction that you wanted to go with all of this went against any of those kind of things short circuit short says circuited the whole process created division in the community created a problem with an elected board that had a fiduciary responsibility which is the library and lost a good six months of planning time for waverley square itself pleasant street and it's not like nothing is happening there the king parcel is going to be redeveloped fairly soon there's going to be proposals on that there are other things coming the the the fact is that the economy is still good the commercial real estate c is still good interest rates so low caps rates are low there's plenty of opportunity to get something done in waverley square with the right changes in the zoning in the incentives this was not from the board and the reason for that is you know his long term service and the fact that he's been an associate for two years however i gotta say the handling of the library  doesn't vote for the chair i don't think is that right was yours and the associate doesn't vote for the chair they're going to have a boat and well  more points to make well requested a meeting for them i was not paid for this activity i did not attend any meeting and i did not represent transit acts i simply contacted the some real mayor's office to schedule a meeting as a favor to ms olson i do not feel compromised in voting on matters involving  mark knows we've served many years together on traffic advisory committee it was a i know i mean i guess yeah i mean she did i think i met  mike on the beach i hate taking the m b t it's slow it's got a little bit better but you know but it's i just thought his idea made so much sense i knew about the west virginia model from which mike and patterned it mike's involvement in this basically came out of charlie baker saying and marty walsh saying you know we need a better transportation system than one that so there's a revenue generator because the town gets five percent of gross so this is not only not taking up public financing but we're paying five percent of gross revenue so it means we're charging fifty cents a mile that's basically five cents of two and a half cents a mile that goes to the t car so we can deliver a operational system in twenty four months and i would submit that this has higher benefits with a lower risk than the risk that you are now taking with the status quo dollar i think last year they did several hundred billion dollars worth of infrastructure projects so they're interested in financing these projects if you show the the because the revenue and profit margins are very attractive to them we'd like to propose a phase one and then are projected to get so this is a cover page from one of the proposals if you look at sort of what that is rubio is actually a ten mile network so ninety percent of the population would be within a three minute walk and you're going forty five miles an hour nonstop natural but relatively confident that from lexington and concord people that are for the west because you have a bunch of cut right so you have a bunch of people coming through your town and if you start and you start this trend just like with air mass  this let me interrupt for a second serving on traffic the past year one of the most memorable meetings said paul roberts was actually there but he's since left  there a gentleman came from the windbreak area as you know because you live over there mark the traffic comes down route to get soft and goes through right and street which is bumper to bumper  this gentleman i can't remember yet you can't you can't move and he talked not only about you know the bumper to bumper he also talked about the air pollution the air quality for the children walking the same problems happen in the in belmont center we this is an opportunity it's definitely a little forward thinking and we're talking about a lot of community and  aware of that but i think you know maybe you do think about what committee yeah infrastructure you're talking to the community have to be the impact on that will be the impact on the m b t a they're not going to be happy with ridership it already has issues electric vehicle campaigns what happens you know throughout you know despite the good intentions what if they start this  controversial in other areas what about june twenty seventh