have had good communication with them for several years they came to us back in two thousand and ten voicing a plan to transform that then current single use logic what research and technology campus into an integrated and vibrant mixed community focused around regional high technology employment base it was our understanding that after trying to forster their original concept of a tech park they concluded it was not working so they had to go and go in a new direction implementation would require amendments to the key a mechanic community plan the state land use district boundary and county zoning so after almost five years april of south now we are learning on a they are very close to breaking ground here but will require some land use changes as well however our distress is the contest continuing to watch a large variety of projects being approved by the county with no true corresponding infrastructure accompanying any of them our only two north south roadways the substandard pilani highway and our beach side south road continue more crowded each month and neither the north south collector road nor the pilani bypass which would alleviate this growing problem or anything but future dreams o understanding of why department of transportation's viewpoint is its county government approving all these projects knowing full well there were no state plans for any vehicle relief and each time it states and the county administ mouth bypass would be a county highway so we ask what is being planned for south maui if there are just blanket approvals for smart plant projects as we see here and several others with numerous flaws the entire community will suffer and quoting these guys whose customers may think twice before participating in such a community and how about s plan is moderately successful and some residents here find jobs within the park there will be much additional traffic from twelve hundred fifty homes perhaps nearly three thousand vehicles as well as seeking to create a walkable mixed use area surrounded by a community of homes i had the opportunity to view the design plans for the research and technology park and i served on the maui county urban design review board in the design was thoughtful incorporate some of the leading smart growth concepts into the plan the research in tech park has invested in the quality design will serve as a model for other smart growth on maui i am also working with the south maui learning the honda on the proposed charter keep through twelve school that is nearly ready to break ground in the research in tech park the change in zoning is a key factor for the school development it will not be possible to develop our design with the existing zoning that has very large set backs is low density and designed around the automobile the building will be multi purpose with some commercial tenants to help support the school operating cost the building project will provide about fifty five thousand square feet of space to educate two education allowing the school to take in more students in order to be cost effective for s m u to develop the school we are planning for a building that will comply with the new standards for the my research and tech park the school building by a my name is todd lawson i'm here to testify in support of the zoning change for the my research in technology park i'm actually excited to see all the changes that the now i research and technology partners are put forward in this new plan and i hope you're excited too i'm actually a member of the board member of the economic development board as well as a monday a key a charter school board this plan is not just just a real simple plan it's actually a very complete plan that incorporates a lot of different facets within a tech park i've been up in the tech park for over twenty years and i've seen how hard it is to grow the business up there i think it's an awesome concept to bring technology to the to the island it's a clean and it's a clean source of jobs and good revenue for the for the people here if we can incorporate the school with the technology in the tech park then we can look at home growing the talent that we need as as a growing company that we have problems all the time in getting employees here into the tech park with the skill sets that we need to actually do the work they were contracted to do so this whole plan incorporates the schools and also an environment where employees can work and live and be a part of the work environment behalf of south now learning ohana mr april be followed by sandra mcginnis good afternoon mr chair it's great to see the co so members in person instead of on t v every day you look so three dimensional fabulous jeanne was out of town so you asked me to come down and speak on behalf of the south my we are learning a lot of it's just amazing what jean has done in terms of putting this this package together with federal money to build a building up there and as the other testifiers have said a charter school located in the park i think will love really a lot of life to that area i remember when the park open d i'm sure many of you were there and it was a heady time because there were so many great dreams for that for that place and i think the mixed use is going to really really cause that place to blossom and i think it's very fifty five thousand square feet mixed use mostly charter school in the back in the front of the building will have the ability for commercial commercial use and they'll be fifty fi as i said fifty five thousand square feet of space to cater the education to be outdoor areas it'll give k c s a permanent facility finally is designed in a way that will really be conducive to education will be cost effective it will be within the new standards for the park and the setbacks are less in this building which will create a pleasant streetscape it keeps all the open space behind the building as a more its fifteenth year of operation in july it started with sixty students and grades ten to twelve serves grades k to twelve it's projecting it in roman to five hundred sixty five students this year and there's a waiting list for every  grade and this is a multipurpose building as i mentioned k c s is currently leasing thirty five thousand square feet of space in key hay but this will allow the organization to consolidate and i think i'm really excited about what's going to happen mr chair sandra mcginnis she'll be testifying as a representative of nutrition in physical activity coalition is mcginnis will be followed by garrett good afternoon counsel the committee chair carol and committee members i'm sandra mcginnis with the nutrition and physical activity coalition of maui county i did submit written testimony via e mail yesterday but i wanted to come before you today to offer our coalition support for approval of the variance for the maui research and technology park where really excited about the project the mixed use components the fact that it will be walkable will have open space for parks and it will also have kind of merrill will be speaking as a representative now a brewing company mr marrero that will be followed by thank you for the opportunity to testify today and thank you for your support of our and many other small businesses here and now accounting hits it's always been great to have we are think the most recent ten and up in the research and technology park having completed our building  key we built a forty two thousand square foot production brewery and tasting room as well as a brew pub that's going online late this year late next year and we're really excited about the changes at the up of the park they were actually really integral in us making a decision to build in key hay because we like the idea of the mixed use the walking the biking especially being in a community where we're someone can walk to a great thing like a brew pub to hash out community issues perhaps over a pint seems like a great idea we are thoroughly committed to sustainability and i think the sustainable components of the plan update to the plan to certainly make the park even more attractive to not only our business that is already there of course but new businesses to come to the park we do see the ability to attract far more businesses that can come up into the park and conduct business up there as opposed to right now it feels somewhat off the beaten path and i think with creating a mix use community it'll help to draw more business up there as well as you know having the school nearby and creating a full community feel and so we're very proud to be a part of that  we are mixed use in some regard already least our building in that we do manufacturing as well as retail so we do have the commercial components as well as direct interaction with guests and so particularly for businesses like ourselves it's also a benefit will have that natural traffic which i think we're already seeing in the park even more people coming up to visit us at maui brewing so definitely in support i should have started with that in support of the four and mr mayor will be followed by albert parents  my name is dick mayor elect testify on the r and t park as many of you know i was involved with the plan as vice chair of the general plan advisory committee this project did not come before the g pac and there was no recommendation that he packed for this project the planning commission did not review it at that time and did not recommend it in the planning director at that time did not review it and then put in there this is all come up after it went through all those prostheses and it only came up and  in the growth boundary was put in at the very final stage by the council just want to give you that background what did happen was the thought that there should be a residential community to go along with industrial park and they located it above with  high school is going to be going and above where that make a mall area is being proposed and that was to be the residential area so one of the things i'm going to be asking for is that somehow that if this project does go through that that other area that it was designated for called be deleted from both plan in any potential future community plans overall i like the concept of an integrated residential and industrial area but it does have some serious implications provided green piece of paper with the checklist the project is enormously large two million square feet of commercial industrial construction just to give you some idea the president all the buildings that are down there now represent one hundred eighty thousand so this is eleven times bigger than the amount of thing and that does not include the residential component of it traffic on the highway there's a map that i've attached on the second page that you can go to view with all the other projects and so that  available for the school construction i would hope hope you make sure that that money does come through one of the workforce housing requirements are they going to be satisfied completely by this project and i would urge you to stipulate that those be among the initial projects put into this  park the impact fee schedule that was put together by the county consultant is something that you should look at carefully as to append to apply it to this particular project dealing with fire station police station all the other  chair carroll committee members and albert prison the executive director of my way tomorrow and my comments pretty much parallel what mr mayor has said who we are concerned we generally supportive of a project like this integrated land use we have some concerns about the water supply it seems to be that the supply is fairly unclear it's going to require quite a bit of water and since  it's going to be going through reverse osmosis treatment than those wells will have to pump thirty to forty percent more than the required amount in order to end up with the required point eight million gallons of water  the we are suggesting that the committee should set a condition that includes testing of the downslope wells before and after installation of the proposed well field to determine if there will be impacts and appropriate mitigation if the slope wells are impacted over longer term as far as the traffic impacts the assumption is that thirty percent of the vehicle trips at full build out three thousand residents and also the businesses will be working and shopping on say and the state lands commission also i was questioning the internal capture rates and reductions  n the trips because of this integrated land use the assumptions appeared high and the need to be further  justified the projects assumption of traffic impacts is based upon the completion of certain regional road projects such as the completion of lower drive and we've all seen many projects approved for certain unit counts on the basis of future road construction that failed to materialize this is also noted by land use commission staff and we're suggesting that the appropriate size of this project should be seriously discussed by the committee after accurate and updated traffic i am testifying on behalf of sierra club today my name is lee c n d ne i'm speaking we like the idea of a well designed community here just like everybody else certain but if it's going to meet the standards of sustainability we would like to see some of these questions about the impacts to traffic water resources drainage energy consumption waste water output and protection of cultural historical properties be addressed i'm just going to talk about the cultural historical part today i did pass out a couple of maps they show a historic road that passes through this property this road has not been documented in the archaeological survey that was submitted as part of the the e i a s for the property and in two thousand and thirteen and yet this road exists one map shows the road existing all the way up to a public and going across  highway the other map shows where it kind of comes into this project this road should be protected our community plan has very clear language saying that we should protect  all historic roads and paths and make them available for public use this road exists it exists the entire length of key hey sierra club has worked very hard to make sure it wasn't wiped off the map in one way or six seventy it will continue to exist there it exists all the way up to and it would be great to just set a precedent follow our community plan and have this road be recognized as it goes through each property and that segment  aside and it could be used as as part of a bike path trail whatever all projects want to do these things we also want to speak to a particular site there i passed out a picture hopefully you all got them so very well built  site it's an enclosure made of stone it didn't appear to be in the archaeological survey it didn't appear to be referred to in other archaeological surveys it's standing right there it's pretty big it's over one hundred feet long  it may be an old corral it may have been something that had to do with the ranch era but its construction appears to be very very historic over fifty years old and whatever it is from it really deserves to be documented our community plan says that project shall document all sites on site and even ones that are nearby there's very little that's being proposed to be preserved and yet this project is claiming to have a sense of place and a sense of history and we really like to see the bar raised a little bit here if they're going to have eighty eight acres of open space there certainly can be a way of working a few of these cultural sites in right now the only thing that's being discussed for preservation are two sites that are in why putting on the gulch that are off the property and it wall that borders the gulch which is kind of like well we may preserve it if we have an opportunity  really we need to do better than that so you have the ability to write conditions sierra club is happy to work with you to supply more information three minutes is not much time and i'm sure other cultural groups were as well this is not a barren zone when it was first documented there were archaeological sites missed in the first survey in fact nothing was found and state historic had to come in and find sites for them and i can turn in that paper if it would be your testimony we didn't we got your testimony but it only had the two maps we don't have the picture ok i passed out a second part that had the pictures maybe it hasn't gotten to you yet they're working so hard out there o helpful it did prove that there was a deposit of cultural material there chair thank you thank you chair and thank you ms in a for being here i that was my question i was going to ask about those that additional paperwork you just handed over ok great board of directors and our president and c e o jeannie sco we are testifying today in support of this as you know emmy has been an integral part of the research and technology park from its inception our board participate in the planning process as well as evaluated the master plan update and we are in strong support of it we feel it is a good fair plan and  mission is to diversify our economy while at the same time we validate and honor our host culture as well as preserve arm vironment we put the master plan update to that lens into that test and our board of directors feels that it truly lives up to that and will be an important part in helping us advance our mission i mean to be over twenty years ago it's hard to believe i was a park partner we are often referred to as the sweat equity partner and that was anybody's leadership and bringing together private and public sector partners to help change the what was once ranch land into a research and technology park a place far desired and targeted structure for economic development it was important to our his and we believe it has an even more important place in our future but just like county itself and all businesses the needs for technology and innovation have changed so what was once a very visionary plan like anything requires an update to make sure that the infrastructure is meeting the current needs so that it can we can be attractive we can be competitive and we can be sustainable terminate the knowledge based industry that we want as another option to keep our young people at home and bring them back home for other kind of career opportunities the park is currently home to more than four hundred employees it is wonderful to look around and see more and more of our common ironing young faces as they come home and fact as someone who has white hair walking around the park i look around and i often think that there are twelve year olds driving our research in technology but it is exciting to see that is a place for a vibrant career future for many of our young people we've always envisioned that part should be a hub it should be multi use we're thrilled to see education colocated there because how perfect for young people to have an internship or practicum opportunities and mentor ship right there in the park itself so again i'm offering our full support and he is very judicious in offering testimony in the more than twenty five years and i'm very aware of its history we have given less than a handful of testimonies on projects so i hope that infers the importance that this project is to us so thank you again as ice opened the park has been an important part of our history and we're asking you to help support gallery or his or anyone in any of the district offices that we should give testimony at this time please come forward four one thousand nine hundred ninety eight he mckenna community plan and then use map from project district six or in t park public quasi public and agriculture to more research and technical technological park for up to two million square feet research and technology park situated in chemo hawaii the purpose of the proposed bill is to establish the most research and technology park in the comprehensive zoning ordinance was a student intent of creating opportunities for a broader range of desirable knowledge based on emerging industries and provide diverse housing options number three a proposed building titled a bill for an ordinance to request for plenty director on behalf of or in t partners will see for a change in zoning to more research and technology park for district district for the subject property the committee w could afternoon share carol and council member or committee members my name is jordan heart of chris arnold partners going to give a brief introduction before i pass it on to john butler as master planner for the project from katherine associates do a general overview  environmental consultants regarding flora and fauna and mike data of scientific consultant services representing on or per prepare over archaeological assessment report at this time i'd like to pass it over to john butler for a general overview of the master planning portion of the of over the years have kind of sought this kind of model here which is obviously a college campus the idea of the attractive buildings and the green space and the kind of serene environment unfortunately you know what we often get i at the buildings and the greenery but the really the thing that's gotten that was missed in this is the activity and the people in the interaction this is really what makes a college campus the center of activity and innovation that it is and so  instead we've we've kind of use the idea of creativity as a kind of a poetic model where you know someone would sit alone and really come up with the next big thing but especially now with the technological changes creating things that way instead of off on their own so that was what was behind the plan overall just as urban design principles these are the four principles that we design by and i won't go over them in depth but  diversity which is uses and activities human scale so making things for people to walk to bicycle instead of only at the automobile scale conservation and restoration so really trying to work with the environment and the environmental resources an area and the connectivity thinking about how things work with the region at that at all different scales but diversity i think are two factors there really appropriate to this discussion because the diversity and the effect on transportation  in the up to here we see if if the uses are separated offices and or employment and housing then everyone goes one way in the morning and in the evening they all go the other way and so you get half of the lanes of the roadways empty every day if you have the mix of uses not only do you get people who can actually commute within their own neighborhood walking and bicycling but you also get people going both directions on the same road or in the same systems and so you get a much better use of your infrastructure the other thing about diversity is a diversity of building form and the idea of the park which was to diversify the economy at the top we see a conceptual  diagram of a of a human family of a family where someone grows up and they may go out and have an apartment and then they get married and and the couple may decide they want a house and they have children and then they need a slightly bigger house  and they're you there needs they're the same people but their needs change over time and then the children go off and then they need apartments or something as well and so the same thing can go for a business you may get a on the bottom diagram you may get someone who starts their own home business they get successful get some employees they need a slightly larger space the business gets bigger they have an employee who has a idea they want to go out on their own so that employee needs another small space for their work and then the company gets of we can see here the current landscape in the park the current landscape which is very beautiful it's a nice place but it is built on this poetic model of creativity and knowledge this then is the  illustrative plan of what we would hope could come up in the park as you can see the purple areas here are still employment based uses trying to maintain the flexibility to accept large employers if they should  looking toward the water you can see the mix you center in the foreground then the golf course and then the bulk of key hey we try to respond to the environment with the plan we have these  of open space that go through the site which will be a great amenity for people living and working and visiting the site as well as a good place to provide auto transportation such as bicycles bicycle lanes and path here we see the bicycle network there are some separated lanes on the busier roads and bicycle paths going through the open spaces and we hope we believe that every street in the park can be friendly to bicyclists at certain levels of speed and levels of traffic bicycle lanes would be necessary you actually can have bicycles running safely within the traffic lanes this is a street network diagram  which shows i think the important thing in this is to see the areas where the blocks a very small this makes it more walkable and slows traffic down these are some of those streets that would go through there and the real goal has been to keep slow you can see the preservation of a lot of employment capacity within the site many several thousand employees could still be accommodated and this would help it to the park to maintain its focus on the  diversification of the economy this is a view of that area of the employment area here we see the mixed use center with the buildings of various sizes smaller buildings to accommodate smaller current buildings require someone to invest quite a lot the code requires someone to invest quite a lot to start a business many businesses just simply could not afford that so we want to accommodate start up businesses this is an example of something which is actually focused on artists not technology but it's a similar idea in new mexico where people are able to get these small spaces fit them out on their own to the level that they can afford at a given time and then this is the regulating building type ologies would be the way to implement individual parcel development and here we see one of these type ologies where things such as the location of the parking would be regulated and where the front door and the building are located on the parcel in order to create a good walking and living environment thank you again this is jordan hard to continue with the presentation regarding the alleged containment component of the project so as discussed earlier the research and technology park originated as a concept in the eighty's but by a core group of community leaders looking to create a third leg to the economic stool for the county there was a significant pilot strike by united airlines that really emphasized the need for diversity in monterey county and that was the kind of  a real emphasis that they focused the desire to create this park currently twenty five companies and projects exist in m r t p over four hundred people employed there roughly one hundred one hundred fifty million dollars flew through projects there every year there are currently six buildings with two hundred twenty square feet of total spaces these are some of the companies that exist on site the community planning amendment request includes mechanic community plan describing the park into the technology park this is the same language that's included in the adopted maui island plan the request also includes changing the designation of three hundred fifty nine acres of project district six research in technology park district thirty nine acres of public was a public to my research and technology park district and seven point eight acres from agriculture along the polar parkway this change in zoning includes twenty two hundred sixty acres changing from agriculture to proposed the newly proposed form code which is chapter nineteen point three eight research and technology park district and one hundred forty five acres of the currently existing chapter one thousand point three three research and technology park district to the proposed chapter nineteen point three eight my research and technology park district this map indicates the lands that currently completed the state land use district boundary meant process to urban these areas shown in green are currently designated as urban lands this is the key a mechanic community plan map as indicated the project site is existing in grey the public was a public segment is at the north west corner of the project site this is a county zoning map indicating the current research and technology park with agricultural districts surrounding as indicated the project is currently located within the state urban district as noted during testimony the project is located within the urban growth boundaries this is the maui island plan urban growth boundary map the process that's taken place to date in a on april nineteenth of two thousand and thirteen the state lands commission excepted the final environmental impact statement for the site the project site plan regarding impacts for the project existing drinking water currently comes from the county system the project proposes to continue to access the county system as long as it may be available however the project has plans for an independent system at such time as county water is not available drinking water demand for the project is seven hundred ninety eight thousand gallons per day drinking water demand is estimated at three hundred seventy seventy three thousand gallons per day irrigation water is currently and will continue to be provided by link to the key a waste water reclamation facility the the ground water source for private wells would be the come for the sustainable yield of the kamel the aquifer is currently eleven million gallons per day at the present pump it is approximately five million gallons p regarding waste water that the existing and future proposed system is a privately owned and maintained system that conveys waste water to the keep a waste water reclamation facility total flow is estimated at five hundred fifty million gallons per day or five hundred fifty thousand gallons per day proposed improvements include new gravity sewer mains and pump stations expanded wastewater system for conveyance to the key a waste water reclamation facility the county's facility current capacity is eight million gallons average daily waste water flow is three point six million gallons cumulative allocated waste water flow is six point eight six four million gallons per day the remaining capacity one point one three six million gal to four point four million gallons per day is sufficient to accommodate the project increase in runoff for a fifty year one hour duration storm is five hundred twenty feet cute feet five hundred twenty cubic feet per second the development induced runoff will be retained on site mitigation measures include vegetated lined collection basins and subsurface retention regarding traffic and roadway improvements for the project the project recently resubmitted a draft to the state department of transportation in may of two thousand and fifteen the projects state land use commission decision in order requires that the project enter into a memorandum of agreement with the state department of transportation part of final subdivision approval currently the proposed phase one and phase two traffic mitigation measures are as follows phase one will include access to pilani highway parkway intersection improvements as well as he high school put a strain bicycle access phase to mitigation transportation improvements include a access to old wilco hall road appeal on the highway and development of this project's components of the collector road the project has been in consultation with the state department of transportation for the location of the school site deal he is interested in locating a site school on site the project will comply with deo impact fee regulations the project park project proposes to develop eighty eight acres of open space in parks throughout the project and will comply with the county requirements for park assessment fees there is opportunity for police and fire facilities within the project no threatened or endangered species or flora and fauna dissipated to be impacted by the project with the observation of minimum medication measures as outlined in the final environmental impact statement the same as for air quality noise an archaeological assessment report was prepared and accepted by status or preservation division one site six two four one is a historic boundary wall that site is to be and as noted the project site is currently within the state urban district economic benefits from the project the project will result in one point four billion dollars of capital improvements to my economy and that would be direct investment in the development of park as proposed that in operation that brazelton in five thousand eight hundred eighty eight on site jobs and one thousand and four hundred four hundred seventy offsite jobs the residential workforce housing component for the project will be developed on site i'd also like to add in a two two hundred twelve year two hundred twelve dollars the continuous benefit to the county budget would be an estimated twenty five million dollars per year in during the development phase of the project and then a stabilized twenty one million dollars per year ongoing throughout the letter to the existence of the project approval by the my planning commission the proposed change in zoning meets the requirements and intent sorry the proposed change in zoning meets the intent and purpose of the new zoning district being requested the proposed request will not adversely affect or interfere with public private schools parks playgrounds water system sewage solid waste disposal drainage roadway transportation systems and other public facilities and the proposed project will not adverse you mr chairman committee members we are still supporting the change in community by an amendment and change in zoning we find that this is a really unique opportunity  for not only just to increase our housing but to diversify our economy with hopefully with the technology uses that are being proposed we think this is this is a very good project and fits well within our community thank you members this is what we were going to proceed we are several members of the administration that cannot st the presentation it said that that the wastewater treatment facility has capacity for the expected increase of wastewater from this project is that correct yes and it also said something about a lot of the availability of a pretty big amount of our one water if we have a drought or we have a low season and tourism and people don't use the facilities and we don't get a lot of waste water is there a chance that we would not be able to provide them with enough or one water we currently we currently have much more supply than demand even at times of lower usage of the wastewater facility so i don't anticipate we ever having a situation in near future of having less supply than the demand requires as far as serving this facility  have them construct a line to the facility right now there is a ten inch reclaim water line they go to the end and such and at the time before constructing that line we had asked the tech part to contribute and decided not to and so that line is not adequate to serve this expansion of the project so we would ask them to do another line so that there is adequate pressure but i don't i don't think that there be any supply issues in the near future for reclaim water ok thank you chair you chair and thank you director for being here just like you know they're part point page forty one relates to strictly all the waste water conditions and what have you so it looks like a will be utilizing private a private i guess connections and i mean everything is with fins on their site but they're going to be collecting what's produced and then sent to you to your facility to journals of yes so what happens currently is their system within their parcel is private and we have a line that goes from their system to our head works at the heat treatment plant and so their system as they expand it will remain private within their site and will still be conveyed to our wastewater here weeks water treatment facility ok and so with that added you know capacity whatever there is no issue in your receiving end of it yes so right now we don't we don't guarantee the capacity of this point you know into a building permits but right now we have more than adequate capacity to accommodate the project ok ok very good and then that is then treated to our one the the incoming effluent is entreated to our this development looking to utilize our one i'm trying to see and hear my understanding it is ok ok very good ok thank you thank you and you for the question will be through being here you're almost done aren't you the question i have is how many affordable homes would we get out of this in in  as a result of the workforce housing bill how many yeah if if the hundred i'm sorry if the thousand two hundred and fifty units are considered market rent units then we would get three hundred thirteen affordable units out of that number and they expect to be on site they're not expected to be on site however in the presentation they indicated that it would be on site so the total number there then would be about fifteen hundred yes sixteen hundred homes yes ok and do you have any agreements with are you going to be having any agreements with them about doing an affordable rentals we do not have any agreements  currently however before they can get their building permits they will have to have an agreement with the department of housing and human concerns and so the department which i mean i guess that would they have to come back before us for those agreements or they can be known as they would not have to as long as we are in compliance with the bill the two point one six chapter two point one six  as you know we've talked about this in other committees that big concern is at least of mine is affordable rentals versus affordable for sale homes with the department condition you know to have a certain percentage of affordable rentals to satisfy the workforce housing we would very much so be in support of affordable rentals  and i would believe and i believe my housing staff is with me today would also be in support of that the policy does not address the issue of if you do for sale housing you need to do for sale units or if you do for sale housing that you can do rental units so it just says like units and we interpret like units as the actual building so you know if you're doing residential units we expect that the  affordable rentals will be residential either town houses or apartments or condos ok that the other issue as you as you know we've discussed as well as you have those three hundred however many affordable units and if one hundred of them are let's just throw out numbers of honor of of them are rentals in the two hundred that are going to be marketed as quote unquote unfordable they go away after what is it i think i believe is ten years now right that's  yeah that's that's still a concern is that you're going to have now fourteen hundred fifty some odd homes of if we set aside one hundred affordable rentals that are no longer you know they'll all be market in ten years so i do have some concerns about that but that's i think a department counsel kind of policy thing as opposed to the project yes men may be able to say all three hundred should be rentals if if they can't be affordable in perpetuity yeah i believe you can subject the project at this in this process that you're going through right now to what you as the council would like to see workforce housing requirements and one of the testifier houses as one of his points that if there's a way to have it done early in the project versus last on the list of things to be built out or what have you so if think that probably i wouldn't lie in you know the whole more on our end as says a condition of sorts probably yes because we would be we would not be actually working with the developer until they get to the housing component so if they if if you would like to see housing simultaneously with commercial improvements or educational improvements or however you want to structure that we as a department would have to comply with the housing component as you structure it ok so we would guide that kind of  first of all do those two fire stations would they be sufficient enough with the addition of these  as far as the station location would be probably based on the sure injury so trying to get the whole facility within five miles of the station would be a benefit to the developer and to for the question and i get a lot i mean one concern when we do this these type of developments we will be go again some going to egg land if we could get some kind of a larger exit back when these projects normally develop about set backs so i was looking at what they have planned and i do agree that a lot of it should fall really on green belt ways freight on the fringes and something that we'll be asking the developer to go look at all around because this is a dry erin area and brush fires is very prevalent and even though you may have enough fighting fighting fighting fire fighting equipment to take care of most of the problems which is further down you know but that is within a mile and a half to two miles from this location if the fire station if we could get land and then we don't like we've done in the past we get the land and then as time goes on we discuss and we talked with the developer and and i think it behooves them because it also helps them have adequate firefighting equipment in close proximity the new high school is going to be do we also have our two elementary school elementary intermediate school you you know i was just waiting to see if somebody else wanted to talk for a week for you if you asked the questions i don't need that thank you chair and thank you captain for being here  and how many more opera sers would need for the patrol there for this for this particular development as any development would have some type of impact on police services as far as th area in general i would see at minimum one which would entail a minimum of seven officers to run twenty four seven she'd like to hear from robert cheap of planning and development parks and recreation thank you mr howard said and again the park capacity didn't see a lot of actual parks in there is that what they have put in their plan is that sufficient to to deal with the amount of people that are going to be there or are we going to gets more cash with the park assessment piece developer is planning to meet the park assessment requirements parks in the development which parks all the way through saw the parks that they have in there meet the requirements from the department correct ok now the other question i would have is you know we have a semi regional park south my community park and it's going through its process would it be beneficial to the department to have another park around that size or whatever the size that the requirements are for this development to be one big part so that we have a little bit more of the fields capacity that that we desperately need and the developer is showing more community parks not active you know playing fields of that nature playgrounds and gathering places in place to play catch or some not necessarily leagues and schedule games and that that concerns me a little bit because you're going to be adding twelve hundred fifty more homes in the area and already don't have enough park space even with the full build out of the community park which who knows when that's going to finish so i have a little bit of concern that if we don't throw something up in there or potentially i'll work with that asked the developer about this working with the next project to come up with some sort of complex that they can that people can go there as well to keep again traffic off of people on the highway etc but you guys are do you have any kind of capacity plan for the area you've seen them out of the plan now and so you know what the build out is supposed to be do you have a some sort of plan of saying ok we need another park of this size in this location anywhere we're developing that plan now there's a regional we have laughter regional park above the police station and it's still in the back for mine and that's  impact of new houses in new housing development because maybe and i don't know what your your assumptions are when you do your planning if the people that are going to go and live how what is this based on i'm curious because we always sit here trying to agonize about predicting you know impacts we're sitting here saying well we may need a new police station we may need a new school we may need this in all of these things we're going to need because x number of homes are going to be built in this area ok my assumption is how do you decide how do you what is what are assumptions based on do you assume that these are all going to be new people moving into the island and into that area or are these people who are moved from other areas of the island into the area and to be closer to work which is going to be available in this project community so i have never heard us talk about that we always talk about well what is the impact of this new stuff what about the impact on the existing people moving how much we've ever done the analysis we always assume that only i'm not sure how to answer that well you know i think i'm beginning to be here a while and i'm beginning to see a lot of the planning and how we do it and i'm beginning to wonder if we only look at half of it and we don't look at the other half of it because i have heard of decreased stores decreased schools and you know decrease use of stuff in certain areas so maybe we need to kind of figure out both but i don't know how you do that  i'm not sure we go back to some or more technically inclined planners and asked them about that thank you i'm just curious you know it's beginning to i've been at so many of these land use things always focused on what we're going to build these homes that we're going to have this impact what if those people were living with to parents up country or in central wherever and they all moved to key because now they have a job there that's a good question ok thank you joe years we've seen development and i have it right here yeah loni all this development i've never seen a lessening in any other geographical area as far as decrease by city answer your question there's a lot of families four five families living one house comes up and one family was out there still probably two or three in that house for the locals ok and then as far as new people walk around i can tell you right now i walk around i don't recognize as many people as i used to it's a changing world but going back to you as far as parks is concerned all these passive parks of community you know these these regional park they are not regional but these little parks they have built like the here and kilani to have these passive parks all over the place which i see now starting to develop into like little dog barks that little you know i see little the little guys the pee wee guy while they're in practice is there and i guess that's my question to you is there a possibility that we put in some condition that some of this acreage could be dedicated for cleaning usage for playing balls like baseball and soccer games and things like that it's just practice and playing well you see that's the problem there is you got practicing and then before you know it they're playing and before you know you've got a league there you know so let me tell you how that all works and i just haven't done this for the last thirty including several of the testifiers is where we're getting the water well the department has committed to serve the existing m r to see part with a lot subdivision and i think it's still it the existing buildings that are there or the existing entitle ments entitlements in terms of when when that statement was made available source was available for those eighteen lots ultimately in twenty guests twenty thirty four is when they're saying they're going to have twelve hundred fifty homes plus all the commercial at that time you're thinking that we're going to be needing or they're going to be needing a reverse osmosis for some sort of they're going to tap into the brackish wells and that's the million dollar question if they came in today for part of this would have available source for for most of the development where we're going to be and twenty thirty four we have the objective to supply source and infrastructure for growth within the urban growth boundaries so that's the goal but whether that's going to be available we don't i think it will early to make a commitment from right hartmann to right well you know you know the six hundred home subdivision has already been entitled  area so you're taking that into account when you talk about this process yeah again this first come first serve so what we know is committed to date and what we have what buffer we have available on the system what's coming down t ok it changes pretty fast and then when you if you had to the point where you couldn't commit then that's when they would have to drill and do the r reverse osmosis yeah i think it's still open at this point the partner is willing to continue to work with developers looking at those options or at the point they come in if that's not feasible anymore to go completely private i understand their gauge and component with that at all in any in any way come from good afternoon chair and good afternoon members i just have just a couple thoughts that i wanted to share i did want to note that the department reviewed the final the precursor document to this change in zoning community plan amendment back in july twenty sixth of two thousand and twelve and we provided a number of comments mainly that the project will need to be responsible for any kind of required improvements as approvals building permit grading permits so we'll have other reviews again at that time we also made note that the development as it progresses that they come back to us to coordinate any requirements as far as alignment and lien inch for any future bypass going through their property and then we also talked about or commented  on their drainage master plans that they have some sort of plan in place for on site and off site flows so just to reiterate reiterate the department did review the project at the final  stage with respect to drainage and traffic and and again we will continue to review the project and be in close contact with any future development on the site i do want to note that i well well there's two things well let's let's go first with the drain as you mention the drainage how how much low impact design are you is required or is it that they just supposed to look at i know they have a lot of that in their plans but i just wanted to to get your thoughts on their their low impact design chair and again as far the impact design we don't have any requirements for it is stated in our storm water quality rules that those low impact design be considered and that's something that we've been  we've been talking a lot with the developers representative that they should be considering low impact design i think in the during the powerpoint presentation there was a slide in there that showed an example of a green street feature with an inlet structured that would divert some storm water to go into something like a bio retention cell or rain garden so those are the kinds of features that the department is really in support of good thank you my biggest concern one of my concerns but it's a fairly big concern is that this borders  and even if they were to retain every drop of water on their site you know that there's going to be concerns downstream when there's a big flood is there anything that this project can do i know that they may not be required to do by law but we might be able to work on it with conditions to help mitigate some of that maybe slow the water down or i'm not quite sure but you know just because people on the highway put you know when they did the early pilani highway intersection all of a sudden there was a flood right after that and of course it was blamed that the intersection  i just want to see if there's anything that they can do to mitigate some of that or slow the water down or something that's drainage issues  big regional issue that i can't just be yes dealt with with one development right there's a lot of partnerships that i think need to be established with a lot of the large landowners highway i wanted to note that we do have a drainage master plan draft that should be released sometime at the end of the summer or early september so in that sense will be able to get a better understanding of what can be done and perhaps the costs that it will take in order to create some sort of well to develop any sort of the area yeah that's my that's my big concern as we prove say we approve this project and say well you know one little project isn't responsible for the whole do anything and then the next month on long and say well we're not responsible either but combined they certainly are how do we is there any anything we can do in maybe a condition or whatever that you guys would would give you guys some authority to say ok now is the time to chip in on this or something it's in terms of a condition i don't have one prepared at this time  i think i'd want to discuss a little bit more with the council and perhaps with my staff and my director so that's yeah i guess at this time i wouldn't have a condition in place but something that we could consider we'd like to consider ok yeah i you know in looking at at their their conceptual design and i have no doubt that they will keep to their their  designs because they've been hearing for years now at least this six year or five years i've been on here they've been hearing about the concerns and so they've done a good job i think of incorporating a lot of the low impact design and a lot of you know i think i think that the water runoff what he might cleaner or might a bit less than what's goes on to the property so i don't have a problem with that is just that you know they're listening to see if there's something we can come up with so that when other projects come on line inside their brain growth boundary we can get together and figure out what we can do  you know these guys are the experts but sometimes you just wonder where they get the information and yeah and i'm ok with what they have to say it's just that sometimes at different times the people on the highway especially it's kind of over there especially the way the lights are timed in the two lights that are right next to each other that are will affect this project i'm just concerned that yes there are three four three or four proposed outlets on the pilani highway and that's it when you add all the folks that are going to or from work here especially the amount of work places that's going on here i can just see a lot of concerns on  is there a way to work with the this development and any other development to assist with the north south collector road because we get some people down in the north south collector road area if we get that in and get that going that will alleviate some traffic on the highway and i know they're going to do their part of the north south malka road however the other projects are going to be a long time before those get in and so it's go until other projects get in there and until that road which the state is claiming is going to be county road we will fight with the state on that one in a little bit but you know until that road gets in until that other project gets in then until until until that upper road is going to be it'll it'll relieve some of the traffic on people anyhow a just in the area where that road parallels it but after that everybody's going to dump back on the way or pilani at the other end so i just have a little bit of a concern as to how we're going to handle the traffic once this all gets built out again twenty thirty four this isn't going to happen if we say yes to this tomorrow they are going to have fifty one hundred fifty homes and however many businesses there but ultimately we have to keep making sure and maybe a completely different council when more things come along and i'm not sure how we can keep that that top of mind when when things come because it's it's easy to say well that will be handled next time but we want to be able to do something now that can help mitigate in the future an going to turn it over to well i guess one way would be to have discussions with the developer on either contributing to t change funding changes we've we've said that we would go into the design of the north side collector for quite a while now yeah and two years ago we've we've we've made the decision to start design on small segments at a time so that which is why we have the north side collect there between wipe me and place which is which is a short bite sized well maybe if we can sit down with the applicant because m plus it's just that's another issue altogether the north south collector and it really needs to go in and needs to go in sooner rather than later even before these guys come in i would think so that's that's another discussion that we have to work on as far as the three or four exits on to pilani highway where do you guys is thoughts on by the time for build  right and they also mentioned they will look at how access they didn't look like in power point in the plans that it didn't appear that they're planning on doing that are they expecting us to build that the applicant is required to do that ok because i'm looking at the bubble that drew it towards the end on page forty three and it just shows that out of the knowledge industry expansion campus so you now saint it just kind of goes to where there might be a road and then it shows old well a cow road and then a circle at the intersection there it may be at some like an ass the applicant because we have no plans i've never this is the first i've heard of any kind of access this way that the county was thinking of doing a chair  g according to a july eighth two thousand and thirteen letter from the state department of transportation to parsons brinckerhoff it states that for phase two the project proposes to provide a third access ok and if you look at the map that's kind of again funky because you've got these two are like our road which is the new look at the road further north and you have t intersections and you know there's going to be calls for traffic signals eventually at those two intersections so i'm a little concerned on how everybody kind of let that happen that way  because you would think you'd want to make that a four way intersection somewhere i just you know that's a comment we can deal with that later and the last comment on traffic is they are planning on putting another traffic signal at cana street right there is already a right in the right out in the other direction but it's only what you call those temporary ballard's their plastic ones that's the only thing that there's not jersey  it's those little sticks that stick up in the middle of the road and they're plastic just right over those so i'll have a little bit of concern there too but that's i guess between the state and the county maybe because if you look on this map right next door you know several hundred feet down is the key here high school proposed he high school and there's supposed to be a traffic signal there as well so you can see how that that's no longer a highway anymore it is going to be a an avenue by the time everything gets done in this area so that's why it's more important it's also very important to get lilo a dry finish north south collector road and that malcolm road going so i understand it's a great project but we have to be very very careful of the traffic because otherwise it's just going to be gridlock water you know in the end this in this presentation that if necessary and if we are what beach i was on you know they would look at that i understand that the county right now has enough water to supply in the needs of this project that am i correct in your mind my understanding is they have enough water to do the first several feet aspects of it maybe not the entire project that's what i'm asking what is the plan for the additional is if water is not not available potable water and i'm afraid to fall out of water right if the water isn't available and the hope is that it will be but if it isn't they would drill wells and we've looked at two different concepts one is that the wells would be located at about five hundred eighty foot elevation which is above the project on hollyhock a lot of ranch land drill up to five wells they would be done incrementally as the demand increased and that water would be used in two ways one it would be go through an oral reverse osmosis treatment plant to produce a potable water and at least the time we created the concept a little bit different than what got testified by the department head earlier it looked like at the time that we created the concept that these wells would also have to back up the r one supply but the testimony earlier was that they think they'll have adequate are one supplies not  supply issue as much as just a hydraulic issue getting the water to the project site the other set or other concept of the brackish wells was to bring them down into the project itself that  brings them a little further mkhize so the salinity that those wells who appeared use would be a little bit higher and also it doesn't allow us to have a storage tank which needs to be about one hundred feet higher than the highest area of the projects  served so if we went with that concept it's similar in nature in that the brackish wells would be developed the brackish water would go through a reverse osmosis treatment plant to the potable water but the distribution of the potable water to customers would be buy u a pump system from a storage tank on site rather than by gravity from a storage tank above the site ok thank you and the reason i was asking these questions primarily is because almost all of the he's water discuss it even further but encouraging development not only for your project maybe for the high school and some other adjacent projects where i think we share costs and actually have some development of audible water within the area and you know i  want to say i just got back from the american water works association and in anaheim they have some projects right now where we're taking resource water and converting it into potable water it's become a necessity in california i don't want to live to the data see it become a necessity here in ma we saw resource water may become a big part of this whole issue also and eventually as far as part of what is concern but looking at the numbers i nor we have enough to take care of the project  maybe even adjacent projects in the area which wouldn't cost a lot to look up and see some of that yako for that is being taxed at a quite quite a high rate at this point so i think it was a charge just  four and it's alternative one off site brackish wells and maybe can see my diagram and there was also some testimony in relation to this because they were feeling that are these to questions really is there enough water for the project to pump that's question number one and i think the answer is decidedly so they're going to pump water one point two million gallons a day maybe in an area in the middle of the condo projects but it's incredibly small in comparison to the millions of gallons that's being done for the gulf port and that's been ongoing for decades now concentrated at the south end without any long term adverse leonti effects  to the wells themselves i think the question that the testifier was saying wasn't that we don't think these wells are going to work it was what impact are they going to have on wells that are in the area and i don't know how much of what i put my study is in your documents but i looked at the decrease in the floor that would be passing underneath the project ultimately discharging along the shoreline and looked at all  things that we would do to affect that flow percolation of your gaze from water all and it looks like depending on which of those two concepts we do we would diminish the flow by something on the order of thirteen or seventeen percent so for the other think there's four sort of active irrigation wells makai of this project that would be having to deal with that diminished krom water flow you know it's not i hate to say it was not an exact science i mean to say with that decrease of flow the salinity level rise x but we do have a lot of examples of upgrading down gradient color conflicts and it in my view is just based on experience forty some odd years where there's probably going to see a salinity increase in those dong radiant wells something on the order of five or ten percent so if they're pumping chlorides that are four hundred over time when cut thing was fully built out with the with the backup plan that we've discussed the four hundred might rise to four fifty still a reasonable quality for landscape irrigation but it's undeniable that there will be a flow rate diminishing to some extent and some salinity rise in the macaria as a result ok well thank you for your comments very candid and straightforward so thank you very much potable level and then he's now humpback and has percolated to the ground we finished aqua for a king so this is our hope that this technology and i've seen it in action now is something that we can whisper would be the prime candidate for that it's not an injection well it is really taking the water and putting across areas so it percolates just like rainwater into the ground and dan you recharge your talking about this is what this is all about and california is such a dire need now they have extra tight in a lot of these areas so we will get results within the next six months to a year and some of the results on the on the new resource water break you asked a couple of questions and i thought i would i would clarify for the members exactly what's being applied for here and that at some point i'm sure  really the applicant is asking for two things one of them is an amendment to the to the keep him a chemical community plan and another is a change in zoning the first one the  y him mechanic community plan currently the property is both project district six and agriculture and so we're looking for those things to be amended we're looking for the project district six to all but disappear and go to a marquee park my research and technology park and  a portion of that agriculture would also go to that ok it would receive its own new category within the back in the description of the different land use categories you know single family multifamily etc we would have a new description for m r and t part the second thing that they're asking for is a change in  that the technology park currently has its own zoning chapter and what they're looking for is to adopt an entirely new chapter with a form base element to it and the list of uses it cetera and so that that's also in your binder  adds it would add a chapter to title nineteen one thousand point three eight it's this is adding its own chapter is not unusual for title nineteen  all your project districts have their own individual chapters where you know the standards are laid out sometimes numbers a unit cetera this is similar in that it this area of land would have its own chapter however it's not a project district so the additional review once a zoning is granted there are mechanisms built into that particular zoning code that would go through you know how projects are reviewed how different areas within the project are reviewed and and those kinds of things so it's not unprecedented  the bottom line is applicant is asking for those two things community plan amendment to its own special designation and description within the community plan and they've provided some language and there was mr delphi that you had initially planned to have the housing on site and then in the application it looks like you're going to have them on site can you clarify that for us yeah the intent is for them to be on site if i could add to that as well there's a hard cap on a residential units at one thousand two hundred fifty units and so that three hundred thirteen affordable units would be part of that total number and not in addition ok the ok that's good to know we wanted to talk a little bit about affordable rentals you heard the discussion with mr dow any thoughts i know you that's you heard the question too about if we can order the housing it's only affordable for ten years and then it goes away and it's no longer affordable we're desperately need a long long long term affordable rentals  well you know the location is appropriate for rental type housing part of the mix that's that's proposed would include those types of uses with regard to establishing what they will be at this time it's a little difficult basically this this project is being entitled now but it is potentially going to be developed by different parties under the supervision of the overall association that's going to manage the development as indicated in this report and so as dulles said the current process for compliance with the residential workforce housing ordinance is that you establish your agreement when you're pulling building permits and so those people pulling building permits you know may not be known at this time as far as who the entities are future developers of lots are and so the project is open to complying and it's appropriate location for rental but it's a little difficult to commit right at this second to exactly how and and also that you know exact time frame of when the units will be developed now the units an applicant coming for a building permit has to have complied with the workforce housing ordinance so you are you're building at the time or you producing credits at the time but you know where we are now it's difficult to establish that you know the equipment in a green in at this moment right i guess with the with the app i know it's not you're not the applicant but you're representing the applicant would the applicant be amenable to having a condition that says a certain percentage you know whether it's one hundred  homes or hundred fifty or something like that be kept in an affordable rental pool of some sort maybe an apartment complex or something along that line and you know it would be where that that condition in a did it would play and do any other additional propose conditions on how you know it makes that the project ultimately viable but i think that that percent of the project if you got to twelve hundred fifty units you would have to have a number of those be multifamily units you would have substantially lower unit counts with single family homes or something like that to meet that requirement yes so the twelve fifty you're anticipating you're just going to you're going to build the capacity is that correct you know it's it's hard to tell i mean what were you it's kind of like another mat like a mallee lani or a while a resort or something where we're coming before you folks and you're having you entitle this project and put the parameters on it for for what we would like to do and then we'll take those parameters and we'll go out and we're going to we're going to immediately start trying to find buyers for this product and you know we're the developer of the project while we might end up you know ultimately building some above ground component of it will be looking to people that specialize in housing types to build out the actual housing and so that would be ok so i'm just point this out of thin air like ok d r horton you have a parcel here these are the the design guidelines and all the different requirements the county and everybody's put on is do we got a deal can you build some houses now so that's how that'll work so instead of saying you said one hundred units would you rather a percentage like thirty three percent of the affordable requirement needs to be or would you rather have an actual count i think i'd rather go with an actual kalki all right that's fine that's the concern i had about affordable homes i got plenty more but  if anybody else wants to talk to mr i have more for him i didn't know anybody else did and this may actually you know there was a talk about deadline for construction and know in the land use commission decision or you have a fifteen year deadline to i think with the start we need we have that we have to have our backbone infrastructure yeah have place within fifteen years of the d n o decision or an order from the land use commission you know so you know having that backbone in i think that's that that puts you way into the the project if something were to happen with the with you know your company or whatever and somebody else came in at least that's a really good start would you be willing to have a condition to say once the backbone is in you within five years you have to start your first set of construction it's our intent to market this property immediately and to sell parcels and ultimately begin construction as soon as possible by that i would anticipate that that would be at least two years out from the time that you get to sales you get all your permits in place and all your approvals for the roadways and for the above ground construction and then you know we're going to continue we're going to diligently pursue it given what we've seen over the life of this project i've been working on this particular project for seven e you're going to have to recover him somehow and so in my my biggest concern in this portion is we don't want another thirty forty year oh in forty years or however long i think is still going after so many years we're trying to if you want to get it in there build it and let's let's get it going you know up to twenty thirty four but if you stretch it on beyond that it's might be troublesome our intent is to to build this project out just as quickly as possible ok it's going to take time you know in you know our projection given all you know we have our experts here that can talk to scheduling and how those were arrived at but it's on the order of twenty years you know that's our best guess and we're going you know i can assert to you that we're going to make our best efforts to move forward as quickly as possible and you heard my question about park fields i see i mean and i know it's a conceptual drawing and i see that you have it looks like you may have one baseball field in your parks do you have any kind of park plan in this or is it one of those things that that's not really the backbone and because you heard my comments about the need for more actually you guys and the guys next door to you we're going to need something up there right now you know and we were talking amongst the team and there's parcells that are designated park or open space within the project where we can do things like basketball courts tennis courts those type of things but you know parks plant open there and i might have a master planner come up and talk a little bit about the park's plan if well i just see in your in your you know your powerpoint slide that you have it shows what looks like a baseball field in that and that's a conceptual plan and that in that concept plan there what we're assuming will go on that lot would be a school i mean it's also it's in the in another plan right we have the controlling plan it's a civic area you know what we would like to have some of these parks accepted by the parks department is part of our contribution if we're not able to reach an agreement with them then you know we'll have to we'll have to pay the parks fees that would develop you know these bigger type fields you know we in the development this we never heard anything about any need to accommodate that in our sumption and you know we would probably should assume these things is that right across the highway is that is a future south maui park you know all the phases of that right but that's not really a regional park because it's too small and so i understand your comments there  then yes ok question for you there was a calm testimony about some archaeological sites and i see some some letters from s h p that that kind of confirms those sites are was talking about you know mr name was talking about she had three issues actually go through each real quickly for either the first was a historic road that she said went through the property it's probably true  what's important is the context of geography here did it go through the parcels we're talking about today or not which leads me to the second one she said this one hundred foot enclosure it was mr in the study actually it wasn't recorded that in two thousand and seven as part of the l a or gulf course study you walk around hole number six or seven and it's right behind it it's part of the l or property so it's actually not on the applicant's property number three she talked about a small maiden scatter that was on the property again it's not on what we're talking about today it's in the general area of the property ship will basically approved our report and did not mention this saddam letter was nine hundred ninety four which is much earlier than we did our survey in two thousand and eight and certainly the ship would've if this was on this property they have in their records they would have said you investigate checked the status and preservation of it so basically all three of those statements don't apply to this particular project because or they're not on the project they're somewhere else basically the road is pieces of the road are not on the property in the state basically said we agree we concur with you we don't find it significant do what the developer if you want to preserve segments of that road through the property and i know she would luciana charlie janks and a few people work together to do that in this instance the same case they would go to mr perkins in and try to work it out for preservation and that they say what that road was was it a how old that was one nine hundred twenty s about stories i can tell after after the well if they're going to actually use that area near the fence within say thirty feet then we'll get the interim orange protection fencing and the preservation plan will be done formally to the state which outline interim and long term preservation measures basically they'll be a long term buffer zone within say twenty to thirty feet this is you can't bring any machines near you can't build near it cetera so according to this map here that she presented it shows that historical old road going through the eastern portion of the site so according to this but again you know i don't know where this is referenced from what have you so the story i haven't seen it at all yeah ok you know i'd like further information though and then she also has an old  military u s g s map to that runs through and it's kind of hard to tell where the your folks its property is in relation to this map but it obviously is has meaning here so yeah i'd like to make sure that it's not going to be disposed of in any way or covered and forgotten forever because i think it's important that we know for sure that this there are not and ok appropriate steps to preserve coach thank you i would like to talk to whomever is responsible for the well look at how access road whoever is responsible for the well look at how access road person please go forward to do that for themselves at the microphone again project manager for the for the applicant responsible or mr couch why are you guys you know i talk to a traffic engineer in the the in the representation is it doesn't show that you're actually going to it doesn't imply that you're actually going to build the road all the way down to that intersection that's our intent yes that is intent ok and i know the golf course is right there so you can't really come cow road or i'm going to have a traffic engineer come up and talk about the details of that but it is our intent to negotiate with the golf course to align those roads thank you near the well then i would have to take a look at it again but did you consider you know i mean you're a traffic engineer you see that there is a t intersection here and then a couple hundred feet the other way is the section on the other side and i way i think there is part of the golf course right there now now i'm thinking that maybe the green waste area pattern in there with a number of different owners the ranch the golf course the county so that that's the route for us i think that if there's any movement on you know they're on the other side of the road in the side of the highway it would be to move the road to the south to a line if there was that's the only way i could see that happening and know that would run right into the church there's already buildings there and whatnot i believe so i don't think that would work i just have concerns with that t intersection that i mean if you're going to do right in right out that's fine but we already have well look at how road people trying to take a left to go north there and hopefully if you have the access that you're on your side of the highway that would be just right and right out because otherwise you will get calls every day all day i will point out that one of our conditions of development from the state land use commission is that we  ch a memorandum of agreement with the state department of transportation and that agreement has to be in place before we get final subdivision of authority so we're very anxious to get that agreement in place as well and you know he has us on the hook so to speak for those types of those types of issues on the state highway and making sure that you know what our plans are and everything will be to their satisfaction ye sometimes i'm going to channel mr whole comment at this point but sometimes to their satisfaction there's nowhere near to our satisfaction since we're the ones that have to live with all the phone calls received all right and then on the other side  somebody was telling us and i don't know if it was you guys or not it is going to be right in right out it cannot write correct we were open to what the state wants us to do it cannot if they you know they are most recent discussions with them we had originally proposed to right in right out in my understanding and it's been a while since i've read all the way through this my understanding is they're now requesting or advocating for a signal that section but i guess this is something we have to do with them because that's going to be right next to and then right which is right next to a pole and then on the other side is  for the school so that's going to be just crazy and that's that section there in your discussions with him can you express our major concern yet another traffic signal in th vicinity so i'm not the one who had the discussion but we did talk with traffic branch and they had expressed that they were they were receptive to the for them to people on the highway so there's no temptation to be able to that illegal left turn now well they can't right now because those but there's no temptation to do it there would be the demand for it that there is for that movement would be satisfied by shafik signal well we can discuss i mean we can work with try to work with the state on that because that's also where if the north south collector road goes in there then it goes right to colonial signals so that would handle the them turning left which what they write do right now go to peak air which causes a bit of a problem so i guess that goes to this county working together with you guys and getting the north south collector in that area because that would i think would alleviate any need for a signal at that intersection so we'll certainly plastic pass along those concerns they were raised and and also like to point out that with this draft agreement has to be circulated through public works in engineering at the county level  council and the folks that have to field all the calls all right that's fine i'm i think that was all i had no yes no i'm sorry  actually it's called out the mallee island plan that all the developments on the makai side of the highway shall coordinate the alignment of that north south transportation cord or you know it so you are working with because i noticed absolutely it's not that that big of a road it's just two lanes it looks like with the big median on the in the one section there so there's a there's an allowance if i may mr couch there's an allowance for a total of four lanes can travel a north south for collaboration with our neighbors to the north in the south and we're committed you know our with our infrastructure build up name street of both both both ok that's interesting both would be four lanes or two lanes each you lanes each ok ok all right and i see depictions of roundabouts but certainly not certainly not actual engineering drawings or roundabouts i'm assuming you're going to put as many roundabouts in there gee can we're we're constrained by the controlling plan that should be in your package it should be labeled controlling plan and i believe that that does show roundabout of it's not in that i'm looking in my binder so it's not in there i better get an expert to answer and it's with in the site plan itself and they just you're depicting traffic circles and also key transit stops which are circular drawings also on the map so but this is all within your plan and so i'm just wondering if that is considered backbone and stuff that screen to be you know the infrastructure that's going to be there first and then you're going to do the built environment around these things that i'm looking at and then there's arrows so i'm wondering are these a one way because in the end of them look like two ways and i suppose that within your jurisdiction to manage how you want your people you know within your project to navigate around this jordan hard core sort of partner so the backbone infrastructure is all the primary roadways and utilities  necessary to kind of speak directly to the traffic circle round about the line of questioning they're certainly not proposed to be traffic signals if that's the general you know concept of the question then the final regarding the configuration of the roadway this is the way that they're proposed to be developed however we do need to proceed through the final subdivision approval process well which will include some commentary on preference of roadways from public works and so on ok and so these transits transit stops is that in reference to such as our bus public transit system that would be coming through the area and this is what your idea is to set these that's correct areas ahead ok there are over good thank you thank i know you're really familiar with the low impact design how much of that do you hope to incorporate into this project that's outlined in the development plan as well as a state sustainability plan for the project but the intent is to pursue it as much as reasonably possible as much as feasible you know at the time of development and so we just recently met with public works and requested their preferred document regarding the impact of the design and unfortunately the department doesn't have a document th as their their primary source a reference i was hoping to you know make reference to something like that here today but the project is is committed to developing that project consistent with the development plan which outlines those components for storm water retention ok and i guess the last question i think i think i have written down is the in your in your power point towards the very end you you have i little bit because adding twelve hundred fifty homes some of those folks are going to have sure kids in they're going to want to go to school and we have some i know it fluctuates then there's been times when some of those schools have been low and attendance and sometimes are high so adding however many what the what the statistical number is i think might adversely affect some of the schools sure so the state of y has requirements for school impact fees the project is proposing to comply with those requirements as well as in consultation with the state delia about potentially citing a school onsite so through a combination of potentially setting a school on site or paying out rate fees those impacts are mitigated i would think before we get into that recommendation i'm i'm a little uncomfortable for it go ahead i have got to get your recommendation that you will give his recommendation land use map project district six or t park public quasi public and agricultural to more research and technology park for property situated akimoto what you incorporate in any if and i also would recommend to me if you have any conditions that you want to add we still you know this is just a comedian's recommendation we still have first reading that you know you can always put that together because i don't want something done on the fly and then you know you start trying to figure out later what you meant to say and so that's my only take on this but that's optimistic out so i yield to him no thank you mr mr victory and thank you mr chair you know as much as you know we're trying to move things forward looking at i mean the change in community plan and language there's there's a bit in there and that's the one we're working on right now and then as mr victim you know says a couple of conditions i would rather discuss it with the applicant and say can we put you know what if how do you feel about this and then put the conditions in and get them in proper form and get it out at remembers yeah and i hate to delay it i know i know there have been waiting for a long time but i just want to sit with them a little bit and and with some folks and see if we can come up with a couple conditions that will questions that mr coach is from ill used to shoot he was doing misspoken had one thing and you might think it was something else before that it would be nice of course to person vote but we do want to make sure that we're doing it right and there's only a few things let the members know that you know this is foreign based code and this is a kind of a hybrid of foreign based code so this is something that i really encourage you to take a look and come up with  an idea of what this is very innovative company as a very innovative design company so i'm really pleased with this i just have no the  concerns you've heard in but it is a significant change in our zoning code at least for this portion of the key hey so i encourage everybody to take a look at it and see if we can get a grasp on it for future use because this is i think what we're trying to move to eventually so and i'm just making that as a comment that they they did a great job on this you even heard the people who had some concerns about other things saying this is a great project and if we can just i know those couple little details i think this is a fabulous project so thank you and we will work w