thousand fifteen i move we prove the transcript of the conditional you syria december fourteenth good evening my name is patrick mcclellan and i'm the supervisory special agent for the office which covers washington county pennsylvania and as such i'm here this evening to command and also congratulate the texas sargent my sergeant carson was a graduate of the national academy the f b i national academy which makes him a member of an elite group of law enforcement professionals just by way of background the f b i national academy is a professional development course for united states and international law enforcement leaders it serves to improve the administration of justice in police departments and agencies at home and abroad and to raise law enforcement standards knowledge and cooperation worldwide the mission of the national to me is to support promote and enhanced the personal and professional development of law enforcement leaders by preparing them for complex dynamic and contemporary challenges through innovative techniques facilitating excellence in education and research and forging partnerships throughout the world detective sergeant carson was a graduate of the national academies one hundred seventy ninth session which took place from october second to december sixth sixteenth one thousand nine hundred four i've been associated with the text of sergeant carr so for almost twenty years have worked together on a number of high profile cases to include the iris where engine interstate kidnapping and homicide investigation the free did they all home invasion homicide and numerous bank robbery violent crime and white collar crime investigations i consider him not only a colleague but a friend the key to effective law enforcement at all levels of government is cooperation and collaboration sergeant carson has been a reliable partner to federal state and local law enforcement officers throughout his tenure with peters township police department his dedication professionalism and experience will be missed i have a commendation certificate from the director of the f b i which i'd like to read for the record s department of justice the federal bureau of investigation is proud to recognize detective sergeant michael carso of the peters township police department for your many years of distinguished service in law enforcement and yourself efforts to protect and serve the american public you've always recognized that a key to combating crime is unstinting cooperation among law enforcement agencies at all levels of government the f b i and american people have been the beneficiaries of your professionalism and dedication to duty and we congratulate you on a remarkable considered buying that land for any are all of the forgive me if i may spout that mispronounce that emery leg awake as alternates through two thousand and nineteen i think before we appoint the alternates we need to clarify what the function of the alternate going to be i think at least from my understanding our idea here is that there will always be five members present a flannery commission so that if we have four sitting members attending only one alternate would be called if we have three sitting members attending too often it would one is designated over another under the m p c i don't i don't know the answer to that i think you make practical sense to do that have alternate wanted to sue arguably you can have an applicant or board meeting for which member they want to sit for that given think it would be easier planning commission also rather than if they have the need for all you want to alternate to their having to choose who they're going to write in and i don't want the applicant to have to either or have some suggestion that the board picked marie like a left to the planning commission as an alternate second alternate through two thousand and nineteen night to give you our fourth quarter so not just of our board being the old guy on the board i usually pick the fourth quarter because it's usually the brightest so it was a little quiet this year but we had some things go on  my presentations a little different than what you're going to see because i synopsize each one of them rather than go through each month so i started with we had a group of parents come and see us from the soccer association to talk about bathrooms and concession stands at the field five they seem to think it wasn't included in the comprehensive plan initially and it wasn't far enough on our agenda to make them happy at that point but after our discussion with them and talking with them they they understood that we all feel that bathrooms and concession stands are important these fields and went further on to say that they understood that we will be looking into it further there are issues up there for bathrooms and concession stands though because of the power getting through the parking lots and things like that we then went on to talk about quarter john because there is one up there and i think that what really happened up there was because of the turf there is more games going on there now scheduled that used to be elsewhere so there are more people they need more porta johns we talked to him about that we said that when we did talk to the soccer board a were happy with the border john that was there and we accommodated them to first continuing to work with them in the spring maybe adding a border john or two that seemed to make everybody happy and we bump into the after that because we were not getting the cooperation with the documentation they were supposed to be sending us and found out that different people were sending different pieces of duration really what we have and forces that documentation coordinator for each of this o c a sions they have the responsibility of sending the forms in the information we need to review to make sure they're in compliance with what we're doing we straightened that out and i think that the information or getting now is timely number one  when it's concise and to what we need lastly we received a letter from the soccer soon and that they'd like to be involved in the design and cost of looking at the bathrooms of the concession stands and we're willing even to include after all they did spend some money up there for the turf that wraps up soccer each month we discussed the ampitheater the ampitheater project what's going on the d c ten are grant changing the plan and as of  for a memorial purpose although it sounds a little difficult we don't want all the locations benches and things all over the township so we started to identify locations and places we could be putting these benches rather than having people fit where they're going to be and where we can put them so we've been working on that for the last two months stop me if you want to ask questions we went into naming rights naming rights  a difficult situation because everybody likes to go into a park and see that the park and its natural ways but we also are trying to be progressive enough to look at it and think the want to pay money for naming a field or a facility might help us with an empathy or a project door or another type of things that we want to do as far as that goes i don't know that anybody wants to see those billboards with l e d s and all that stuff sitting around someplace but certainly some kind of money or some kind of naming right to a facility might help spread the cost to where we don't have to worry about council coming up with  taxes or fees for associations we're still working on that we had a unique situation with comfort dogs in the facility at the recreation  center somebody wanted to bring a comfort dog in rather than a service dog so we got to learn what the difference between a comfort dog and a service dog is we determined as a board that the service dogs are the dogs that are allowed into the recreation center a comfort dog can stay home while the person wants to walk at that point in time so we kind of put that into place that way if you're going to bring your service dog certainly it's a lobby and but the comfort dogs say we discussed the alliance meetings  lions meetings where michelle meets with each of these o c a sions and they're all present we've kind of moving into the next section here when i talk about having the alliance people that are there sign off that they've been there they've heard she goes through the same things every alliance meeting it's what the parks and recreation department be a council demands for them to give to us and we decided it might be nice to have those presents sign a piece of paper saying they were there so when they can't come back and say we didn't know that that moves me into my next it's and where in my years involved in sports here in the township and as the recreation board we've had two is two sides sometimes three sides of the story there was a he said she said thing so that when you go through that in one of these situations we that's where we came up with us signing off on who's who was at the alliance meeting to hear what they said and we looked at and i don't think you got to see it we put a draft together for noncompliance associations when they do things like this what is teeth these guys know that we're not going to suspend a team that's going to take the kids away from play and so we've heard that after the season no harm no foul what's the worry as well and there is a worry that they're violating policy so we really didn't have anything to come down on them we do have a fine for noncompliance in giving us the paperwork but we really didn't have anything to say we were going to suspend the coach or suspend the  volunteer we have worked on that and we do have a draft ready to go for you to look at and hopefully approve so we have some teeth to go back to these associations that are difficult for that board to the sports associations particularly the larger ones where there is a board and then there's coaches in that every he's trying to do what they need to do and get their teams together it must be a very difficult thing said thank you very much for trying to help coordinate that and make sure everybody knows the township residents get the opportunities that we will that's typically how we find out some some parents says my son or my daughter's not get enough time to play because this person is playing and we don't know where she or he is from that but with you they don't do that till halfway through or almost at the end of the season and then when you call those people in their answer is season's over and it's ok and michelle about it in the instance we had we were told that the one of the child lived with their grandfather in the township and when you ask them for a little more proof there wasn't a little more proof until kids playing baseball soccer football whatever it is but in this case both cases it was not this team wasn't going to be able to play strongly disagrees with what they did and that's about what we could do until you see the noncompliance policy that we put into place both associate both associations got that letter ok so we in they came to michelle personally sat down talked to her about what she did a deal on its way and signed off on our new sign off each time they're there and she goes through each rule every time october was well attended and even though the weather was a little rainy it was well staffed and show got people there which was wonderful and finally we did have councilwoman merrill come to our meeting and you're all invited anytime you want to come to our meeting we we up at the at the end if you take soccer who has a bunch of grasshopper coaches so far we haven't heard anything about that it's been in place since july so we haven't heard anything about the lack of the honest with you because that means something going on michelle her own creation i think that because of the fact that the two primary checks that people have to do because they're free and they're on line now we're not getting the grumblings that we used to get when they would have to mail it in with a money order and wait six weeks to get the results it's not like that anymore this has been made easier and because of the fact that they're not having to pay for a new set of background checks at this point we're not getting the grammar grambling xp but as far as the fingerprints you only have to do that if you've lived in the state for less than ten years so a lot of the coaches don't have to do that they only have to sign the affidavit because they're volunteering so it hasn't been a complete negative impact and i still walk of all of them to come to me and seek guidance if they don't know the process or how to go about it so you know everybody seems to be content state mandated so they finally realize that even though council mandated a long time ago for whatever reasons now the state mandates that they're more likely a more and more cooperative of doing  want to get sued we did research that actually and there are certain states that rick that recognize comfort animals to be able to be permitted in off the syllabus whereas pennsylvania does not to have the please keep an eye on another it's sporadic you've got people writing coming and making a left turn through the opposite lane to get into print because you can't you because you're right and so they're going up the wrong way and that's becoming we've been three years to make sure that the insurance program we have in place remains competitive so every year we get as we put down the paper i believe we did and anybody that response to the ad can participate the first thing you see on the the results there or what happened was they request certain insurance markets and their assigned according to their order of preference so i tried to give everybody their first and second choice of possible and in the case of campbell you'll see there are a lot of markets under there but so you know has more to do with the pricing of the account one thing aus they know the premiums going and we release the premiums to everybody so they can see what they're dealing with and a lot of them review it and say look we can't compete with the price we have now so we don't want to bassed so they have a separate set of financial statements when the proposals are received we review them for basic content and of course price drives this that's what goes without saying if the coverage wasn't there price wouldn't be the issue but if all the coverages are there then price becomes a very big issue so our goal was to provide you with a cost effective program a program that meets the needs of the township and make sure the program was complete based on the proposals as they were submitted and i'll get to that in one minute the argonaut program through the campbell agency was just far above all the other partners the pricing was excellent the coverages were excellent so at that point what i did was i narrowed my review to argue not to make sure that it met all the needs of the township now i want to just carry out this because you are familiar with e m r and program the m r m trust did come in relatively high on its base premium and get to that in a minute it does offer a dividend program the program runs over a five year period of course all they could give me was an aston based on your current loss history and at the end of five years i believe they estimated the savings could be somewhere in the area of eighty seven thousand dollars ok however that's not guaranteed it's an estimate it depends on your last experience as well as some of the last experience of the trust so it's it's there and it's something but because of what was in front of us i think you'll understand why i am making the recommendation i am a few things i just wanted to mention the damn exposure every year every time we did this and the downstream dam exposures an issue it's covered in your current program continuing in this case now that's what it doesn't cover that now nobody would give us that much coverage on it and really our exposure is not that great i think yet so the exposure is not huge it's there but i think the dam is functioning the way it should be and after ivan we sort of felt reassured but the other issue is it's just not available in the marketplace miscellaneous exposures the other liability you have sometimes can be a problem as a skateboard park that wasn't an issue at all we got tennis bubble in there since you bought that and the traffic signals were newly appraised which was a very good thing that we did here peter's because they were worth a lot more than we were insuring them for and we couldn't charm devalue because we we couldn't go buy what we paid for them that's not the way to works it had to be added to the appraisal so now all the traffic lights are on there and you're on staff engineers also covered for current two million aggregate for each coverage the are not program increases the aggregate to three million so that was another plus for that program and the program with the argonaut also includes this very strange feature that i've never seen thirty three years which i'll explain to you in one minute so based on all this it's my recommendation that you go with campbell agency through organize insurance company the next except at that we're going to look at is the premiums as proposed as they came in  so everybody's owned by everybody or was owned by somebody but you know argonauts been around for a long time i don't know when that all took place but they do specialize in governmental entities under one hundred thousand in population so you're expiring program with the campbell agency was written through great american and c n a the premium as expiring as one eighty three three fifty four that same program renewed with the same carriers came in at one thirty  travelers proposal came in at one fifty two for seventy nine and the and warren truss program which is the one that has the potential for the dividends came in at one seventy two only eighty four so just to clarify because there are they were estimating the eighty seven thousand dollar dividend that would be the total dividend based on your current loss experience but it doesn't cover the difference over five years ok thank you so that's the numbers i think they kind of speak for themselves the nest next exhibit was this odd this is very odd really have never seen anything like it so and normally what happens is if you look at the limits comparison these are your limits listed out here on the left hand column is your primary limits the second column is once you add the five million dollars the start column is argonauts five million dollars what's different about these two programs is in the traditional five million dollar limit shared among all those policies so it's unlikely but let's say you had a general live bill and a claim that exhausted or five million dollars at the beginning of the policy year you wouldn't have any more coverage left for the rest of the year because that five million is shared between all of this different insurance companies insurance coverage with arkan not the five million dollars applies to each line of business which is really strange i mean honestly i've never seen it called a silo endorsement so it does give the significantly more coverage and you're also going to get more coverage on the public officials and law enforcement because the aggregates are hard to begin with on the primer program so that was why i made my recommendation does anybody have any questions at all to be able to prepare some of the stories so i've asked them to add an option where we would have them do more stories there's a certain amount that they were duped and additional stories that maybe we would do it and get more involved they would review that which that would be part of our fee not part but there are times where we say you know what we haven't done it but we think we might have to go and come up and do an article or something from scratch could we just don't have the time to work two thirds of our content right there right there there might be an article here and there that we might ask them what might come from them just did we get into it because there seems to be some competing magazines out there community that they had lost a couple of the disapproval of these several and because of competing magazines i don't know if there's any truth to that but that's what someone had told told me one day you saw we had the workshop last year and one of the reasons for that is it would create a significant cost relative to our car for cation orders and  what's important for me to know what things were changed because honestly i don't have it committed to memory here and so it will in the surgeon that we see will we be able to discern the specific changes not sure we have it soon where it would be a material change if we decide to change back and my father was to have one public area if it can be done to not have material changes to go back to washington county planning drag the process out so i want the board to make sure you are voting on having a public hearing on the final version as you see it there are other issues that i looked at which i had to look at about copyright we have some diagrams and drawings that we have to determine whether of were allowed to workshop complicates what you know i would either send it back to planning or have a workshop so that you have a final for i just want you to advertise what you believe to be the final version because that is the public hearing which he will vote on if we change it from there we have to re advertise have a subsequent public hearing send it back to washington planning which could drag it out even longer and i think this peril points such borders that even know the final version right now that was my has it seeks i'm not even sure do they have my or issue if we publish this here we do and we don't under the rules we can we can make a pronouncement that we're not going to declare it is a pending ordinance and that can be used i'd rather not be used because i new and potentially impactful changes that are proposed in this and i think that for my purposes that it would be i would be more comfortable having a  day you can do it with a workshop a lot earlier that the reason for those that at that time period is you've got to give forty five days prior to be hearing for the county to make a recommendation planning to some extent i want to make sure that they don't have any qualms about not that they have the final vote you do but if they see the final version they comes to you or ward together you see you can't come to work enochian yeah come to work and if  attend the hearing we're all looking at trying to get to the appraisals are spending a lot of money but just to attend a hearing to make sure that everything goes properly he's the other thing about her writing a letter also know what the changes in the text is looking for the school district in the disparity as well as the county and you can judge whether or not you've been negatively impacted in terms of your own personal  in the end their coming in to choose me their comment was what from what i understand that they would be able to help calculated slap or financial commitment after the design was in place so i'm wondering if they meit's true we would have asked anyway is there any potential to use a design for something we already had like the concession and restrooms over at the softball fields i mean to start upper level where people could look at it and feel safe just thought perhaps if we had at the end known the documents would be able to potentially use them again and it would be a special exception so it would go to johnny here in border planning commission plus they would require variance and you have the right to participate in that process but you know at this point i don't know whether they're going to proceed or failed if they would if we would agree that they can use herbicides where they put out a public announcement besides just people in the area because some people are very sensitive to that it would be better if everyone there knew to avoid the area wouldn't except that the chemicals they use now are a lot safer than the chemicals they used twenty twenty five years ago and in reality we're talking about you know a limited area i mean as long as there's notice given for the discussion when this happened what about meals on wheels i mean is there an expectation that they're even interested in sharing their space if that could be facilitated and they also if i recall talked about their volume potentially jelling up so you know or is part of what the fee he's asking for including talking to both parties or how what does that actually involve well we  ask them that question already into one of disagree because of what i would want to do is spend my developing that further if in fact there's not an interest in doing work but i guess part of the question i would have is if you go to them and show them the option that shares sharing by adding an addition that doesn't make it doesn't necessarily impact down  she and i don't think you're going to get support from them that they could reduce their space but it does provide discussion points so the ninety or the other thing might go with those of the charity space we we made a commitment that we would take it we would take a look at what the fire department needed they would look at what they needed we would see if there was a way that both of those could be accommodated they in the meantime would look at what their options would be in terms of relocating which they have been doing i think that they have with what you have here they could probably make a reasonable assessment that you know is is this something you know is it is just does it have a possibility of addressing their knees because if it doesn't have a possibility of addressing your knees or no point in pursuing it you know the end if it if it does then it may be worth pushing on for a little bit with it but i think that the issue that we need to look at is further down the road if this would be you know this would take care of us for this year next year five years you know what happens after that and i think they also said in a meeting that we that we had with them in the fire department that the really be that the number but you know were guarded to stay they they do they are looking at expanding to some extent whatever that extent is and but i think that that did the issue coexistence is managerial i think that it's something that we can address part of that but the biggest issue is there sufficient room for everybody to do what they have to do and if  we expanded our space somehow you know if we refer to that in addition in some sense with that solve the problem that are cost effective manner and you know but that remains to be answered but i think the first question to be answered is does this do it doesn't you know then we can take a look and see what in addition would be in effect becomes cost prohibitive then we go back to say ok fine leave the space but i think with the important ported we made a commitment to take an honest look at it i think we're doing it and i think there are also fulfilling what they committed to do they're taking an honest look at it as an alternative place o