have a review by the superintendent on the educational plan we will probably have a little dialogue at that time with the building committee but we will reserve the public comments and discussions with the public for  se number five which is following the superintendent's discussion i'd like to start by introducing the people the project and the partners right now we have a high school project first let's start with the building committee i'd like to just tell you how the building committee was formed where the people from the building committee were chosen from and who dictated those members so when the m s b a form to inform belmont that they were invited to participate in the program based on their statement of interest in january of two thousand and sixteen a vote was taken at the february two thousand and sixteen town meeting to stablish the building committee and work with the  e so the building i must be a has some requirements for should be on the building committee and those are someone from the chief representing building maintenance so for us they'll be a facility director school principal members knowledgeable education local  budget official or member of local finance committee we have two of those contributions and then members of the committee we architectural engineering experience or construction experience so my name is building committee so i was asked to be part of the committee we also had a lot of interest from the belmont community so a lot of the people that expressed interest in town moderators who selected other people we have john failing our superintendent of schools we have dan rivers our principal of the high school we have chris master who is a finance these are finance person so he's a belmont community member been out of employ you know on we have jury boyle who is the facility director of member and an engineer and joe the stuff you know a builder and dog developer involved so there's a fifteen people that make up the high school building committee and it's it's a very talented committee and i do think his time on the committee but he backed out of sight and we have our newly elected selectman who has graciously accepted the position to work with the building committee so thank  that makes up our committee this is our sixteenth meeting the public meeting for high school so we've been meeting quite a few times and i can say from the well of the building committee that we're up one hundred seventy something meeting so we have a ways to go the massachusetts school building authority is a quasi independent government authority that assists the districts in funding capital program projects of the carmel's public schools their mission is to partner with massachusetts community support to design a construction of educationally appropriate flexible sustainable and cost of the cost of active public facilities they're part of the treasurer's office so they are under the office of the treasure in massachusetts they're funded by one side of the state sales six point two five percent sales tax so that's where their funds go so that they will contribute and they have in our process passed pools to the cost of the project which you must follow their rules have so much information on the website i pulled it up here mass of schools building got to work you could go in there you'll find some of some of our work already in there but they have a history of all the schools they've been working with they have current programs that they've got going on there's just a wealth of information on there it's public access and as matter of fact we asked them questions what do they do some time in telescopes in the website so so we're using that a briefly what that is it is well first of all for ten years belmont submitted a statement of interest to the m s p and the one that was accepted by the in this period was the one that was submitted in april two thousand and fifteen but i was going back in the it to inform the m s b a the state of existing infrastructural deficiencies and how these deficiencies inhibit the districts the districts in meeting its educational program are high school built in hundred seventy different time hasn't had any major renovations to it so the space is inadequate for the current role in the current educational program we have in that school today we have twelve hundred sixty four students the condition is poor for twenty fourth century for twenty first century learning and these are some of the arguments that were put in the statement of interest and massachusetts decided that  don's time was two thousand and sixteen i was counting the number of statement of interest that went in for this year and i got distracted and i decided not to start counting it i was up to one forty so they get a lot of statement of interest from a lot of districts every year they choose probably less than two dozen a year and you can see it's not entirely so every year you have to go back and start your process all over again so that's the statement of interest like i said it was  we were selected then we had to form the committee so so we did in january of two thousand and sixteen belmont was invited to enter the first model of the m s b a program it's called the other bills ability face the and one was to obtain funding for the feasibility f the educational profile i'll talk about briefly is the information that we give to the state to inform them of how our educational program works it also informs them of our town we gave them information about population we give them information about home sales building permits et if this was important step because in this first phase we are establishing what the design population will be that will be gone forward with for our design project so we decided as a community as a as a committee and with the town offices that we would retain our own professional to do a similar thing so we retained a professional from given to work with the same data and give us some information on what the future of all this would be going out five ten years for each grade when we got the state numbers we put them side by side we saw that they were were not necessarily converging probably not a big surprise so we called the state and went to go visit with them and we brought our arguments the uplands where the other trend that we see very very prominently in belmont education is the constant growth going out and most of you stopped at ten years you said you need to keep don't you need to go on so so they listen to us and they went back and made some adjustments and we arrived at what seems to be a reasonable number for the class grade in rome and that's and so the other part of the eligibility phase was the was the quantity we had to come up with the funding requirement stated to fund the first phase the feasibility  so what we're at at that time determining they had some excess property they had that up for sale the sale came through and they they put all the funds for that from that sale to the to the high school feasibility study that was voted upon in may of two thousand and sixteen a town meeting and thus we received funding for for the feasibility study budget the other budget and that whole one point seven five million dollars as part of the the final numbers that we arrived out for the m s p a in our design a moment we also talked to them about our school and our entire district our entire district if we had the nine through twelve school or if our high school incorporated additional grades eight through twelve and seven through twelve this is not new to the m s b a they have those schools they successfully completed with those grades included they agreed that that would be appropriate study for boma given our our constant growth and they at be included that as part of our eligibility in our eligibility phase and at the end of the eligibility phase we signed an agreement to study three configurations with populations of nine through twelve this is a design a moment of fourteen hundred seventy students for nine through twelve for a through twelve it was eighteen hundred so it's a metric that they use to to determine class the number of classrooms the size of the classrooms and that sort of thing capacity for middle school high school has has extra rooms that are not used for capacity explain to us could be fifteen fifteen percent or maybe twenty percent or greater than design in rome and we won't know the full capacity until the school design is vetted but again we want we don't want a misunderstanding between design and roll that which is what we're certified for right now to proceeded to the next study and capa boxes and they proved us to go into the feasibility   thirty or thirty six point eight nine percent of what they call eligible costs so we spent one hundred million dollars we're not going to get thirty six million dollars back from them it's what they consider eligible c we we will talk about that as we continue to move through this but they have things that work that are eligible for reimbursement and other things that we may have to do that are not only to call for reimbursement so of the thirty six point eight nine it's derived a bit from our delegates it's not the same for every community delmon house level of income and property value that establishes that number is not something that we could negotiate with however as we move through the next phase  we will set the final number there is a couple of percentage points that we can we can change by moving it a bit higher it's unlikely would probably get much above forty percent so we are now in the feasibility stage in the feasibility stage there's four main parts to that the first part is establishing the team so far it's just been the build committee now we're going to hire our professional teams to do the work with us next part is a few civility study face another part of that is the schematic design phase and the fourth part of that the project team consists of two groups one is the owners project manager and the other is the design team the architect in order to solve this which could be a whole array of consultants from civil to landscape traffic structural logical i could go on and on so he says what's in it was project manager and owners project manager if i could explain it is sort of a partner that will work on the balance side to give us the resources we need to work with the team on a project of the scale the state requires projects over a certain value to have an owners project manager going committees morning daryn good at that but half of our committee is full and full time employees almost half of our full plate and the other half work like me i have a full plate so we don't have the  time to dedicate that we would need to do all of what we need to is to represent god and that's why the owners project manager is necessary i'm going to come back to introduce her as project managers are going to move on so first part is team the second part is the feasibility study in which we take those three configurations you talked about and we're going to start studying into different designs the state says you have to study three options for each configuration renovation of the building meaning just changing the building around the way it is or renovation in addition or brand new building so we have three configurations and then we have three permutations for each configuration you can see where there's a lot of the design options that the state's going to want us to look at and we should look at all its options will be looking out the educational program with all those options will be looking at parking fields phasing site constraints all that sort of stuff probably take us on a year at the end of that we're going to  so in about a year we we will not probably what that is really awesome images will know where we're trying will know what the right education program is for high school and we take it back to the state and at that point we hope about six months later states going to want us to come back and present that they approve that then we have to fund it we'll have to fund this project likely through our full town bot will we will get the funding i'm optimistic and then we'll have to educate we'll have to execute an agreement with the state a private funding agreement that is the total project time duration scope and cost and then we move on to the final design and construction on the stop there and i could go into the next phase of the feasibility stage that funding is going to take us all the way up to the project funereal that's what that budgets are for it's likely sometime early in two thousand government website everything that we publish our readings everything that we have is there anything that we put up is there is still slush will be oh so you well you should you should visit them because that's where information is right now i have to say that we have a working group of people in in in our committee that are developing and creating a more exciting website not that this is exciting but this is going to be high school website it's going to have more of the bells and whistles of what what informative website to be a little more maybe a reactive to things that are going on and i expect that's probably going to be live in a couple months we've cited above that  it will keep us informed there will probably have more images maybe some movies and all sorts of things that will tell community and those outside of all not what's going on with the high school  the belmont high school building committee voted to create an opium selection subcommittee of six members to proceed to oversee the process for advertising interviewing and selecting the owners project manager for both our lead buyer tara bo the subcommittee many times to work through the process and after advertising and holding the sidewalk through our received twelve responses twelve firms were interested in our project that's fantastic we took that twelve and we shortlisted it lee we cut him down we had him down to four that we saw our most appropriate for government for firms and then we brought those firms back to interview them and then using a pre determined weighted evaluation system w is attracted to data lissa small firm profile with the right person personal involvement richard marks as the project director in house cost estimating capabilities and a long track record of m s p a pro pay project contr propane that's where all the money comes out so we want someone that knows the m s b a pro pay system inside you know one key factor that put the loss above the other firms was there opium services that they provided twenty years ago for the general middle school development working his way up to the building commissioner and director of community development tom has it isn't to show knowledge of boma it's a approvals process and it's a public public affairs challenges after leaving bella tom was employed by by the parliament a public i'm sorry who's employed by the state commissioner of the apartment of public group is tom and i will work together as partners on this and then shane will do a lot of the day to day work shane and i have worked together in that capacity multiple times on large projects including include a job that's under construction in boston a sixty million dollars stem oriented six to twelve school for six hundred students it's about a sixty million dollar construction project it's underway jump the levee is the architect who  they absolutely love the high school the biggest problem they have is lots of people who want to be at that high school are not going to private schools approaches schools as they used to do in franklin because the high school such a beautiful  rockland we did both a middle school high school and a colocated campus setting so six through twelve eighty two million dollars would renovated the high school and built a new middle school so you know that's a model that many school districts use these days as a colocated middle high school it gives a lot of efficiencies that allow students in eighth grade for example to take high school level classes especially algebra and and also just provides a more efficient sprinkler systems but didn't really do sort of the new high school thing so that is a model that actually works and lobbyist was very happy with that there preserved more funding for them to do other projects in the city of luxor so we've done various of you who went through previous projects with the m s b a they do now pay on a month to month basis so you don't wait until the end of the project to receive your funds you don't have to borrow all the money up front you have to appropriate the money upfront but not borrow the money back to the town of belmont within forty five days after actually writing the checks so it's a much better system than it used to be used to be that if you received the money at the end there was an extensive audit in which case some some said they will provide funding for the total eligible cost getting into what's eligible and what's not is highly complicated but in the end there will be as bills that will probably get close to forty percent so if you think about forty percent e for reimbursement so you don't get forty percent of that amount you must be actually told this the other day to make sure that we emphasize that with the folks in town it's not because they're trying to get money out of you trying to make town spend more money they're trying to level the playing field ok but also just spread out the money will actually exaggerate he said a couple dozen schools this is us fourteen or fifteen that actually make it through that hundred forty or hundred  fifty that applies to only about ten percent of the schools get funded each year some years it's been even less so in order to spread that money out a little bit further they kept the dollars for the town or city gets and that's why the eligible costs are what does that mean that means that that group that gets together and reviews what will probably be ten to twelve maybe even fourteen submissions by architects from around the commonwealth to be your  architect will then look at the the cat the sub consoles and consoles that they have on their team will assess what they've done in other places to get together with the building to pay it alternately three members of probably of the building committee but the town will vote with those other eleven or twelve members and they will end up usually coming up with a shortlist of three architects who don't will be interviewed two weeks later this is not going to be a town selection this is an m s p a design or selection design or selection committee selection but they really do listen to what the tao who leaves and thinks is the best architect for the process so it ends up being a collaborative process even though it sounds like a lot or twelve of them and three of you would lead to them choosing the architect it doesn't really work that way they work very hard to find an architect who makes for a good match with a particular town and i'm sure the world will end up there  i just want to say thank you for selecting davis projects and to all of you thank you this is kind of like coming home for me quite honestly having to work in the town i pride myself on the fact that i started working for belmont two days after i graduated from college and was here for twenty two years before moving on to the state and this is really like coming home so there's a lot of very familiar faces here i want to apologize right up front i'm recognizing i time new faces but i'm not very good with names or going to forget something i have forgotten some of your names but we'll reintroduce but getting to the schedule and we were out so i'm going to is programs perfect so we are here we are in that initial process of the design of selection meeting to review proposals we're going to be putting out that r f s and quest for services will get that as richard said those will committee will review those and they go back to the m s p a we sit down with them together as a group and ultimately select the contractor and i mean excuse me the architect  designer here and we've put the calendar out here in quarter so you can see that all we through the process we're talking the last hour of the second quarter of two thousand and nineteen this is not this does not happen overnight we'll be working a lot together as we move through this is the preliminary design program you'll hear a lot of these p d p is that acronym and will be working to get that s are getting approved by the m s p a before and they allow us as a community to move forward into the schematic design so we don't get to a process where we've gone all the way down the track and then they say brakes no that's not going to work it's an interim of process it's a collaborative process with the s b a as we move through it so some of our tasks and responsibilities and what i will be helping in chaman richard and our whole team will be helping through that process is we will serve as the focal point helping through the management now mine has had and i mean going back to before i left a phenomenal building committee that really knows what they are doing so we're just going to provide a lot of that support and need but we don't have to teach belmont what to do here which is a great asset for us on our side they get they know they've been through this process you folks and your experts you know you really truly are and it's a real asset to the town about one of the reasons why i was so excited and  was really pushing richard yeah let's let's go for this we can do this we want this cost control it will cost control is going to be a big piece and people on some of my other projects they kind of get angry with me as we move along because i'm constantly that guy saying we can't do it it's not going to be within the budget we can't meet that budget we've got to pull that back that's not where we want to go you're going to be over by jet it's part of what i do some people are going to be a with me because of that but that's why you hired me the other piece is project schedule saying you know if we want to get there and we want to get this done we've got to make a decision and move on we've got to make this process work we have to adhere to the schedule or our will lose the funding round it will be so many years it's again people being with me by it's why you hired us and the public process where we're really delighted that the town has already brought people are to help with keeping this process open transparent a website web designer that phenomenal your leaps and bounds of where a lot of the other communities are and this is going to be really phenomenal and very exciting so getting into the details a little bit further you know we've been selected we've talked about who the key members are and i think bill covered all of that and the familiarity with the process i don't know the project i should say excuse me as i was driving here today i noticed that there was a manhole cover that was kind of bubbling up and slade street right at the corner of slate and propellers i looked at that and said boom i think i'll take a drive by the high school and see where things are at  knowing what the history has been down there now the area i was very pleasantly surprised to see where the water level was this evening now it may be very different after repeated the rains that we just had a couple of hours ago but i'm bringing that up just to kind of reassure people that i am very familiar with the site and the constraints in the issues that we are going to be facing as we look at the high school property so we know that that's an absolute constrained by looking at the rest of the facility you know the building the park the parking why obviously the pond we know what the constraints there are and  this which is our discussion with from john taylor two point zero schools and he will lead us through this educational plan that he's putting together that's vital and necessary for  good evening everyone my name is john feal of the very proud superintendent of the government public schools i first want to say thank you to the community members to boards like when the school committee work committee capital committee all the time departments to community for all support that the schools get it's huge to be able to respond to the challenges that we have around space and adding staff to the ongoing challenges around rome and if they have a supportive community so very much  appreciate all the time support the challenges that we have around rome and what we will talk a little bit about tonight when we filled out the statement of interest for the high school project there were two big pieces to it one was the educational programming we wanted a building that fit the program that we thought our students in our community deserved and the second part of that process was to show how much the enrollment was impacting that not only at the high school but also at the middle school and our religious school so for the purposes of we want to go backwards a little bit to talk about the aroma that we've been experiencing over the last five years this shows the the amount of in room decrease that we've received  this year we have forty four away and that was october of the school year i can tell you right now that number is a lot bigger because we get we project that only to go to over forty seven hundred in the next few years that same data presented in a table form shows that the breakdown of our data averages about one hundred students net to the district per year so we have some families leave but we have a whole lot more families coming in so we're averaging about one hundred students additional to our district when we started to talk about how does that impact class size a very clear picture of that is that our elementary schools what you see in front of you is a chart that has the grace of our elementary schools in the afternoon and then how many students are in each class and then this line represents what the school committee guidelines are for what the class sizes should be for each grade so let's use kindergarten as example in the kindergarten the school committee and all of us agree that between eighteen and twenty two is a sufficient class size for good teaching a word to happen we only have one class that meets that standard of twenty two we have a class of twenty three in six of twenty four and ninety three percent of our kindergartens by our own school committee and school department guidelines are over if you walk that way and that process through each grade we end with forty two percent of our elementary classes are larger than we would like to see them for the purposes of good teaching or learning to happen for our students a natural we have made great progress with the other parts of our district we added six marginal classrooms to our high school so we currently have marvelous behind the high school site we also added six marginal classrooms to our middle school this year and we also have those preparing to come on board at our elementary school level in the school year two thousand eight hundred nineteen we have reallocated space within each building to support the ever growing in rome and then the elementary level of the middle school level in the high school level and quite frankly the biggest challenge that we have  although those class sizes are higher the elementary level our middle school folks are have less than ideal learning circumstances i would the number of students there and i have school teachers travel quite a lot i think we have over twenty five teachers at my travel every day and don't have their who we hired to check our forecasting of enrollment against the state's forecasting enviroment and we used them as a lever to ensure that we were getting an adequate number from the state but we also use them as a resource to start to plan our short term and long term strategies to address the increase in romans so look at this type chart and i apologize it than this is to combine we look at our fifteen sixteen school year seventeen eighteen sixteen seventeen school year and we move forward we are right here at the elementary level we have three hundred fifty students in kindergarten through twenty nine first three three hundred ninety one in second grade it's the biggest class that belmont in four hundred seventy three years i think now just five to ten years ago the average class or cohort was about two hundred eighty students so we're looking just recently of almost a hundred students per grade bigger now if you go back to nine hundred seventy in our space committee went back to one nine hundred seventy i think we had some class sizes that were bad but remember we had six elementary schools better we have four dogs so we're just doing it we're making it work in we're trying to create short term planning a long t now at our middle school we have thirteen hundred fifty nine students i don't think we'll have drew should the gentleman from our data loss built the school for just twenty million dollars that they thought that there would be that many students in the today nor did they ever think that there would be fifteen hundred forty six students in it somewhere around two thousand twenty three twenty four but that is the projection that we have this just represents the line graph of enrollment that we see in our middle school and again this is the biggest space courage that we have is at the treasury a similar projection is what we see at our high school we currently have twelve hundred sixty four students that is as of october first and that will increase up to about fifteen hundred twenty two students in the year two thousand twenty four twenty five so we can see that in our past our recent past of five years about one hundred students a year and are paid consultants in the state is showing that that a moment will continue to increase through the years two thousand twenty four twenty five we're all begin to level off but what i like to say a lot is one of the levels often doesn't come back down to the two thousand and ten numbers that we had it actually creates a new watermark of about three hundred fifty or so students per grade which again is about ninety years old because that would be what we've been used to with for elementary schools one middle school one high school for the past fifteen or so years so we obviously have a space issue so we're filling up that application to the state we really here at home the point that we have in rome and in class size issues that our schools aren't big enough and we need more space in our school when we entered the process and we were so fortunate to get the news that we were accepted we had a space committee that was working on space and they were so excited that we said we're in the high school building project we're all set and then we realized good grief we have to deal with that middle school so that's why we had to get together to front of the state we are currently forming our project team introducing me our project manager tonight and hiring a design architect and we hope both of those folks are on board to get ready to do this work starting in july two thousand and seventeen this is a very exciting time for the belmont commu what this committee has to do and with the schools being charged with this to look at three options the three options that we put in front of the state to unpack these very quickly we saw this opportunity to create better programming in a high school to also potentially solve our roads issues not just at the high school but maybe at the middle school level and maybe even at the elementary school level you only get one shot of building a bridge to school that doesn't happen every year probably happens every thirty or forty years when you can build a brand new high school so we're trying to take advantage of this we put many options in front of the by the end this b a we ask that we build a new elementary school they said no that that's a whole other project can't do that we asked that we can do a pre k building separately so could maybe alleviate some pressures on the elementary level know that's a separate project we came up with asking them if we could explore not only a nine to twelve building but maybe an eight hundred twelve building or seven to twelve building because each one of those options solves part of or all of our space issues throughout the time it will show you what that looks like this is a chart that kind of walks us through how each option could alleviate space and use the levels what we have here in this column is the edges be a configuration options available that they allowed us to explore nine through twelve eight or twelve and seven through twelve if we built a nine to twelve school that would be the easiest thing to do in this time we don't always take the easiest step or we could just go to a high school it could be done in a couple years it would be done but we have so many students and families moving here that we had to consider other options if we do do that and that is the choice in the end we would not remedy our elementary issues that we have and we would not remedy our middle school which is that we if we look at an age of twelve school maybe that would look like an eighty nine building attached to a ten to twelve building maybe that will look like a small cadre of eighty graders on one side of the school and a judicial nine through twelve we can configure those differently to make it work for kids if we did do that that would not resolve our elementary challenge but it would resolve our middle school challenge because we could take one grade arbitrary and let those three groups spread out into the cherry and appropriate space this idea because a lot of concern when we talk about  right next to a nine to twelve building it could be a seventy nine building connected to a ten to twelve building these are all big discussions that i think raise a lot of concerns for parents that's a big school with my seventh part of why we were a province of the m s b a process the program in conversation what's good teaching and learning and why would be a good idea to have a school that had these options we've already started with an educational facility and his name is frank walker we him three times the teachers and we just sent out an invitation for parents to meet and be a part of that process on may fourth and fifth that's just the beginning of a lot of open meetings and discussions that will have the public on this issue and when we met with frank who actually was with the dutch republic linda seventy two of what are some of the things that we're going to have to talk about so we can make these options come alive to parents in the community and he said you have to focus on when you get to a seven through twelve or need to twelve option cancel separations that you need to have when you have a building that big and then take advantage of the exciting opportunities you can have by connecting the building together so quick examples of that would be of use a seven through twelve wa if you did have a seven a building they might start a different times then maybe a different administration for that building separate doors separate broad brush drop off separate facilities a school where the school that way would have separate nurses office separate bathrooms they wouldn't take classes together so we would have literally two schools within the campus that would make our seventh and eighth grade parents feel really good and it would be a nice way to organize the school district a little differently to take advantage of this one time opportunity to alleviate the stress that we have on the other two levels of our district however that the nice part about this is that the careful connections that we can make is that we by the ten to twelve folks on monday tuesday wednesday but maybe use by a seven eighth grade students on thursday and friday so that we can programming connections that we can maybe there's an all star teacher at the high school that will come down and do want to dance class and our eighth grade maybe there's a lot of synergy that we can create from a curriculum standpoint from a teaching and learning standpoint and from a programming standpoint that makes good connections for students and teaching and learning that can benefit our students and keep in mind that facility will be brand and it will be serving almost half of our student population of the whole time so it's really exciting to think of it that way so as a parent of five when i saw seven to twelve i just kind of grabbed my my chair and threw us not going to go for a while but then after me with frank who's been through this work not only around new england but nationally and internationally as he unpacked and i said that's an option that we should really explore that could be really good for students that could be really good for families and teachers and educators and really good for the time but that's an option like the other two that we'll work our way through in that town will decide how we move forward so we have listed an education facilitator he's been with teachers three times we're asking parents to volunteer to come out  the fifth we're going to have an open meeting where he will present on me for that night the building committee into the school committee to give them an update on what he's learned so far about the community and where we are with this work the education program in a piece of this work is really important to hand off to our o p m and i design architect to say this is what we think is really important about the vision of teaching and learning this is what we think is really important about the careful connections we can make with each one of these options and this is what we think is really important for the campus separations and our community this is the way we'd like to see these options play out after the architects and the o p m go and work that through they'll be room for conversation in the fall and through next school year for everybody to have feedback and important on what their thoughts are and what the rough draft looks like so that's generally where we are with that work who makes that decision about whether where seven through two hour break through twelve or nine to twelve at all be a collective justified and they said it again monday when we were all together at the s b a our start in downtown boston you have to make sure this is a good teaching learning programming for students they're going to focus on the kids first and i really like partnering with the m s p a when that's their first thing that they prioritize what's good for our community and our students first so we're excited to make this decision we're thankful to be here after so many years of applying for this work we think this is a very exciting time for the belmont community i'd like to thank the building committee and specifically good richards our school principal and gerry boyle who worked on the application a year and a half ago we have a space committee that's meeting to also come up with some short term  plans that we have to just get through when the shovel hits the ground and that students go in remember other students don't stop coming because we're going to build a school in five years they don't know where to come to the new school they are coming to the for the schools i look forward to this exciting time in don't want we are history to bring this group facilities to our community like to think the laval of the building committee as well and thank you very much and have a great saw the motivation to get that moving keep on track and we have school vacation week coming up this month so we want to try to get all four so i just have a quick shorthands of who can come from the want to build the committee for that time it's wednesday often so we can do that i have to do this because we have to post a meeting tomorrow for doing that that's what i'm doing tonight or it's we have to do through all beating that's where we are right now so we can't do it on wednesday can we do about do it on thursdays for high school it all except you have on thursday ok and can i can we do that ok thank you so we're going to we're going to post the meeting for thursday morning at seven thirty and now i thank you for that but we go we're trying to move faster this is a sort of collaboration so at this point at this point my name's mary let's i have two kids in first and third grade and and first of all i want to thank everyone who's involved in this this is really exciting i also want to thank you for thinking outside the  box in terms of how you can share laps and things like that but i have a question about that in terms of how it impacts the lower grades we moved to a five through eight  middle school for space reasons so lame we then came up with a good plan a pedagogical plan in response to that space problem i'm quite concerned about the tail wagging the dog again and moving fourth graders to cherry so given that you're thinking outside the box i have an idea and i just want to float it for you to think about what if we made january an elementary school what if we had an elementary school that went from one first i'm sorry kate or six and then we had this beautiful seven to twelve or seven eight nine ten eleven twelve double school pedagogic experts say that the fewer transitions you have the better your social emotional health affects your intellectual capacities to perform and so if we're thinking outside the box that's a great suggestion burbank kindergarten answer agree and so first i want to make a comment regarding the also of the rhaetian so growing up in china is ever actually very common to the school layout we have there is a kind of are looking internationally that would be some places you should also look at and find out what the experience is like there but based on my experience it actually works pretty well and  having a high school letter it's a renovation or building a new high school but at the same time i'm a little also a little concerned regarding the cost just south of here about the like two hundred million number of floating around in town because as we can see recently you know you would have two hundred million dollar high school and the winchesters building a super expensive high school there as well i mean whatever it's going to cost i'm concerned in two ways one way is whether we're going out and to get a boat from the top two entries found out because you know there are people lots of people in town that don't have kids in the school system would you then north high school it's really nice but i can see there are sinks that are nice too high but might not be really really unnecessary you know i really want to hold to have a really nice controls that go into this certainly there are things that cannot be funded by the state so we're going through that process right now i do want to say that i'm not sure i could i couldn't find a regards to cost certainly a seven through twelve facility will cost much more than nine through twelve all things being equal however we would not be presenting that discussion to belmont without looking at the other piece of that which superintendent phil talked about which is what do we do with the elementary and middle school solution and what does that look like when you combine it if we're just doing it nine through twelve so there will be total cost when you look at  that over new school just nine through twelve new renovated and the solution to resolve the elementary and middle school so we clearly have the largest school cost more but we have to look at all the other factors involved so a on when we might be able to get a spade in the ground i know there's different options floating around bush how far up his ass john that's a good question people ask me that i try to answer because i think someone's going to test me in the grocery store so you know i goes over is understood extra money start to go back to for extra money just that's a hard balance of keep it on the borders as much as we can and again it's way out but something i didn't mention is the management of the policy that we end up we get a good job you know that everybody is about responsible whatever contract for going to forest that there's no there's no hundred dollars that somebody else says it's your your problem or you know whatever contract system you out that everybody is responsible for if we get a good job this is the big one everybody has a you know an interest in this in time and it's the biggest thing we're going to do a few other things we did we had problems like the fire station different things like with energy cost averaging about three hundred dollars per student per year cash strapped districts have found improving energy performance as the best way to lower property and meet in cost freed up critical funds for peac annual energy expenses and so i just want to put the bug in here that maybe now is the time to start thinking about whether you could build that into the design of net zero energy thank you so  i hope i said in my discussion that the building has to be energy efficient because that's one of the requirements whether it's going to be not zero we will be exploring that the first phase of what that means to the facility and what that means to our committee who is established and experienced and we're lucky to have such a good building committee but i also wonder what you're doing to her of the back from current high school students and recent graduates who are probably  continuing input are throughout the and that will be the students to select this is just dish display will be made for five for about thirty five folks eight of those will be students but they'll be discussions in type a few back to children into families what's being done to think about how the company the high schoolers that are going to be kind of living through that's so i can tell you that we retained davis because of their direct experience with what we call phasing  education that has to state its current high standards and through the feasibility study the very beginning we'll be talking about what these design solutions look like while we have an active campus and are these are feasible can we you know we're not going to knock the building down to build a new building because we have to maintain its current program so safety number one and the educational programs is yeah thanks but i'll just add to don't want to just understand a little bit about the school size and the enrollment if i understood earlier the design in roman for nine through twelve was roughly fourteen hundred or  one thousand four hundred seventy and if i had the saw john's projections we are abdalla that number in two thousand and twenty so it's that looks like our design not standing the ability to squeeze some additional fish in sea it looks like we are going to be at capacity the day or even before the doors open i presume that is also the same for the e eight through twelve and seven through twelve projections alone we didn't see the numbers is there and i understand him his p s a sets the limit is there an ability for us to consider a larger school even if it's funded by dumb because it seems silly if we're building a facility that we say is going to last thirty or forty years and we're back half of the before the doors open that seems a little bit short sighted in some respects even if we can't persuade the m s b to think that's a great course question and in two thousand and sixteen when we went to the states office we talked about that exact question and we said you know how can we convince our voting public that this is the right solution if our projections are showing what you say is the design role and so they were quick to explain a desire alone is not capacity and in fact if we put some of their factors on that fourteen seventy one capacity is pushing somewhere maybe around seventeen to eighteen under thirty but the the other th ing we said is well what if we what if we built a little bigger than you said you know we know we won't find it and they say we can't do that they have to keep some rain we actually have to keep some rains on a project or schools will start building of other wings that taxpayers expense and this is a model that has you know a couple decades ago really cost some other communities a lot of grief so we have to sit there partner with us we must stick with the back in the seventy's and i was on a committee to one see if we could find out what their role into going to be that's a very very difficult thing to this because you're dealing with human being you know variables and one of the on areas i think i think is town on the road they're bringing in the portable units but that's not what they're not they don't plan on expanding their building do they see this wave coming through when the wave comes through a model of these potential waves coming through not make sure you don't overbuild that's a good comment we we had this discussion with the state because they go through this with their district programs of other communities and of they first took it out ten years because of what you said they often see a spike in income down the months were still showing a straight up world communities were going back down so we asked in the considerate of bit further knowing that projecting beyond ten years is even not certain like you're saying for many many factors but with all the the expertise and the hours they have and our private firm that was an expert of those two that we mentioned we retain our side they were both showing a client now that being said we can't predict the future however are greeted with the state that is part of the project now requires us to fulfill those design and roll it options how we do that we have to work it through the feasibility study but we couldn't go back now with our agreements in place and say you know we're going to take two hundred design your own students out of the nine through twelve that's that's not an option at this point but what you said we discussed at length with the state and the predictions that we saw which are unlike some other communities further out a way from boston this is the growth continues  elementary school having already burned down and so when we had our first meeting with the state i was all prepared is more fact i still said that to them i said we have a hard time convincing our unholy public that this is the right school for the right size after what happened with wellington right and they explained it was a different time for them they were still this is the so two thousand for the state really i will say this this office was recreated to better manage the funds to help the districts with the school and so they right through the wellington project they were constantly making changes better improving themselves we saw that time and time again so the leaders said yes we we were a different group for your wellington than we are now we do a better job and i think it allowed us to leverage that history a little more on the high school to get those numbers up but the and we still discussing renovation renovation dition versus a new school in school we will be looking at all those options so all of those three permutations for every configuration and there's probably could be more than one solution under each one of those and we have to by the state and we should just because it's it's appropriate all levels from preschool through the high school and really think about one of the other options for other properties around town and are we making absolutely that's why it's not just for this building but for other buildings that we need to consider in the coming decades and to really stress exciting opportunity for students and parents to be part of that but that we think really broadly about how we designing those for our or for input and output that we designed and the way that explicitly includes all members of our fast for design teams for design teams and yes we're expecting that to go out some more right around the beginning of may is it ok and that is you will see that published so that is an advertisement in the central very unclear about what the process is where that's going to be worked through in terms of ideas about how classrooms should be shaped how what kind of education will occur the whole idea of how to guides to your educational learning from flexible spacing to building relationships with students to offering flexible space infrastructural purposes to having departments be flat and things being shared between two departments all that kind of conversations are started with our educators it will continue in may form five of the smaller markby remembers students and those forms that we continue to elaborate on that kind of work will happen in the fall that's we start to talk about what would that look like in any building but then what would it look like in a and twenty three students who sit still and i just talk at you and i tell you what you should know and then you tell me back or do we envision teaching and learning being places where students are collaborating teachers of facilitating spaces have flexible furniture flexible course load spectacle schedules that can create different types of learning environments for students that's the kind of conversation we're having we're having now as a teaching learning from the solution and because we have those three options we're also having those conversations about what would it mean if there was a building that had seven to twelve students eight to twelve students and nine to twelve students keeping in mind that whatever we talk about for this new building in these two students who will occupy it no matter what the scenario was that then has to be talked about with all of our middle school elementary school teachers so we had teachers from every level at these meetings they were just high school teachers this effects are pre k to twelve teaching and learning philosophy so this is conversations underway among the teaching staff and so forth i would like to suggest that similar to the library as a community function it's very important to involve parents and women members of the community about in this conversation it isn't just a special it's conversation blue teaching profession we're going to decide this but the community is going to say what they want for their lives i'm not presuming anything will go in correctly but i'm just saying it's very important to make this very public about even status education play in this one particular relationship but the last program you know our current configuration can make it difficult for special ed kids especially people kids without the district placements to leave joining th capacity and that's the headline for joining us who are designing roman does not equal capacity so we have a lot of time with the m s p a after they do that design a moment says that's everything but it's not special education they have that conversation after that so now that we establish how many spaces that we will have over the next year than we've already told them to do have a level program they know that we work with they know that lab is a program that has classrooms in each of the districts schools and that's important to us so we're maintaining that we did let them know that we would be interested in providing more special education space to see if we could bring some of our students to go to school other places into our schools and in their open start conversation that's not part of the design and role but that's where the skewed to be able to maintain the next building that they give you or they provide support for so we actually have provided good updates to our building in some of our buildings infrastructurally very son we've updated age back things so they were i actually thought that would be bad news that we actually took care of those things they see that as a check box because they want to make sure that we do partner with you on this large project so you can take care of it so i do that i think the school is just all that because of we're both grown it for all the reasons that we just the facilities with the space committee and the enrollment committees can we look maybe at doing a study on how all of our buildings can be made more efficient in order to get to get a better i had to get more money out of the operating budget way if we can make if we can make improvements i mean i don't burbank's basement is like a disaster that you can feel like a math you know just looking forward to like what the next projects are rather than you know are there by a lot of capital funds for like the summer alone were replaced three boilers in our schools were replaced windows of the butler were we have spent the last two years freeze facing the brick work of the butler we've done we do that kind of stuff we have actually we got a meeting our getting ready to talk about whether or not you know those like solar panels is one of those things should we talk about old people should we have those things are part of our process to create efficiencies for our schools that can then turn into operating kids because every family that moves here has undergone transitions already and the other thing i wanted to say is i know that all these new people you know that new kids it represents a problem that you have to solve it's new bod that like everyone to think of it also as an opportunity all of those kids bring really interesting learning experience and when we're in that i guess we have to be in a private school because unfortunately this really doesn't place same value on public education that massachusetts does and one of the things that i really appreciate about the private school that they were in was that they just plans that about twenty percent of their school relation turnover every year and they looked at it as a as an advantage as something as a learning opportunity for both the kids who were moving in and the kids who were already there and they had very explicit programs for integrating new kids now when i was  the walls they've been if you look at the at these beautiful the wooden structures above they have i'm sure they have argued if you look at the at the floor of the floor was made of  furniture that is there is used here i have unfortunate experience of knowing a number of a lot of people unfortunately whole has gone through experience of having can we might making we might be making a choice that will impact people who will be sitting in this building for while the kids will be sitting in their classrooms for i think more than half a day this might have a very big impact on those children so i think to ask or make a suggestion if there is a person on the committee who has experience who has knowledge in this area of where the choices of materials that we will be used to to build us to have direct impact on the budget but they also have direct impact on i'm one hundred percent sure maybe not there when i'm right be sure but i'm one hundred percent sure personally that the choices of those materials have directly impact on the court your level of people who will be sitting in those classrooms so hard just asking question if there is anybody on the committee or are there any plans to have somebody who has experience in can't get that paint off gases anymore it's prohibited so that's just one example the formaldehyde in the furniture is certainly an issue that was raised and is no longer available flame spread reading of the interior materials is another consideration and another building code requiring so all of those pieces will absolutely be included and we do have a sustainability person that is required as part of the design team and even within our own firm we have an architect that specifies that specializes in this sustainability i'm swallowing my words here after thirteen hours but yes that is a huge consideration and a huge issue that we will with the building committee will be looking at throughout the design that you can see building