and cable television message board a decision on adopting this master plan will be made by council as soon as february twelfth mr law yes as you can tell others what has been a lot of interest in the we've been working with the steering committee for over six months and this is going into seven and a here with the presentations and this is a master plan and a master what happens next the plan is review comments are made and it's are made in the plan gets adopted the next step would be preliminary engineering and that's separate contracts they have to go through design stages where the details get worked out the placement the materials the final caustic cetera et cetera what we've done so far to date is plan a nine hundred acre community park with amenities park rock in leisure activities and programs that are here everybody in the community young old quick group of things that we've gone through over the past six months everything from environmental review to you know the public meeting and then the staff meetings traffic reviews etc et c we're what we're not going to talk about tonight is the school district's plan which is in the adjacent parcel or east mcmurry road this par generates traffic but it's off peak traffic it is not during a and p and peak use so works well with what the schools doing because it's off their peak it also works well with the school because of shared uses that we planned and we've met with the school district throughout the process to work with them on activities and programs that they can use in the park in there's even links back and forth between the properties that allow people to cross the road without going overhead room with the bridge so they don't have to cross for safety so these are some of the guiding principles that were given to us to begin the project and then the vision for the park was really to create places for all ages all abilities for recreation but also leisure activities there are structured programs in unstructured programs here it's all about the environmental education art music community events in the vigil and small group activities with your analysis of the site slopes soils vegetation water courses etc etc and again what we're trying to do here is enhanced and upgrade what's there we preserve much of the forest that is on the edges we've the give you orientation here the this is east mcmurray at the bottom of the page the park in property is divided in half the schools over here on this side is the park on this side so there's about ninety acres a little more than ninety acres on each half half of the school half of the bark this back here is the arrowhead trail and what we're trying to do is connect this trail up through to the park to the i side of the road into the school and we do that with the bridge here and provision for an underpass here and so we're planning to make off road connections for people to travel the arrowhead come future connector route this would be a connector road that would go from east mcnairy up through the site and connect on the center church group so what we've planned is everything off of this park loop road compliance so we're also looking for compliance for everybody to talk about the park in three three areas we're going to talk about this southern valley that's a long east mcmurry the ridge top area here in this north valley  best recommendations of those documents we had public meetings and we had the stakeholder interviews to generate this list in number one was water playground outdoor spray par park rec department and came up with a list of needs and those are listed here there's playgrounds pavilions nature center and because in the coordinat programs in their community here's some existing images if you haven't been through there here's the entrance going up to the clubhouse this is on the ridge top looking west and this is the north valley master site development plan for the ninety eight year park and it's on the board in the back it's well all these numbers that you see or items that are listed to help better with the facilities  of picnics lodge a great lawn and viewing decks playgrounds at the southern valley we have things like dog parks adventure play more picnic spaces and on th the cross sections were cut through the park as well and then again in the north valley the ridge in the south valley and i'll just get into the details with these little bit more for you north valley this is the arrowhead trail and then it connects with a winding pathway coming up into the park these are proposed mountain bike trails this is the trailhead connector for shared has there's a nature center in the back valley there's an adventure player nature play i'm sorry in hanson into the stream bed this is a stream that runs down to the neighbor's lawn and we're looking to use this for storm water management as well as enhanced the bed and bank to bring it back to a natural looking state the red things are picnic with winter sledding winter pavilion hot in the valley and this great piece is a trail that comes through the trailing next to the arrowhead there's play areas there's more picnic space and this is the ten the road itself is about three thousand feet long and that's the connector road from here all the way through so it's quite significant and there's over two hundred parking spaces in this aquatic center and there's five hundred other spaces throughout the park and if you look at that you don't see a wal mart parking lot anywhere they're divided up  they're terrorists and they're segmented near where people need to go so there's quite a bit of parking we've also planned for a large community events here to where the ridge talk might be use for major parking connections this is all about trail sidewalks and bike routes there's a mile and a half the sidewalks there's about three miles we've shared trails and we have those both an asphalt and stone crush the dog park the dog park separated into two lots so that when the grass gets worn out you close that off and shift them over to the other side that way people and animals and there's a small dog park in the middle into larger dog parks on the outside this goes a little bit into the woods as well as in the open space really dog parks are places for people and when we put it that way because they really social place and these are all the items within the dog park it's fifteen park spaces for that safe places kids to play and you can see all the items up here it's about one and a half acres is the quark the still the water play area and second show slideshows going to get into the great detail with this you can see this is where the tennis courts used to be so we're using that had it's part of the development to help and then this is the big view from the great lawn which would be here over the northern valley and here's the view the great lawns here there's a viewing platform looking out over this is the parking lot down below agility course for bikes mountain bike trails or just to north of this in the winter festival with the winter lodge with a fireplace in the potential for skating here this is that as this project moves forward into the future the parent ship has the ability to identify and in need and that helps to prioritize what can be funded what should be in the north valley is about one point seven big big item there is the nature center and then we've even listed contingencies at the bottom final design in know short period of time if you look back on peter's with the park the number of master plan for that that part and it has been developed over time and that would be the same thing that should be the communities expectation with regard to this part is that it will be a process that will take many years before the vision that is in this master plan is completely re maintenance and operation of the facility so that they have a very good idea of the initial construction costs that have to happen but the maintenance an operation costs that will happen as well and so here are some recommended could be developed in stages not these numbers all at once maybe do the front side first or you do the road first they don't do the nature route next but we've given the township the ability to choose by breaking out and giving each cost in that in that list so you can see it's a big project it's a grand plan for the future and we put together an action list with the school going in first one of the things we want to make sure we do here is protect the parks topsoil and root zones for compassion so we're trying to develop the part that's environmentally conscious so we don't want to compact our top story before we even get started so that's very important to me as always get architect it should be to you as a resident you don't want to have to pay coordination and begin fundraising for the project priorities and then the loop self so that's the part we're going  time to develop some type of a water challenge so again the idea of the outdoor swimming pool this summer and shoulder season use was really the primary focus of this study  day summer season and then we have the water playground which can actually take care of some of the shoulder season also uses free and also into the fall what helps with that is the fact that you don't have to have staffing it's an open area without the need for lifeguards and things of that nature because there's no standing water in those facilities so we looked at very a lot of programs what are the kind of things we wanted to see in the city what was important to the community in terms of the kind of functions that we have corporate i in children so that is one of the things that a community pool can really have a strong impact and so that was one of the driving forces that we looked at in the design and the designs would reflect that in terms of the profiles that you see in the pool and we'll go l it really gave us some opportunity to really develop a different different types of access to the site and we started looking at that location one of the thing that was really important was is how the axis tuple and you look at the got basically be involved with that child silty so designing a pool that has features that encourages that i think is a very important part of what this this concept design was intended to do exercise teaching those types of things we'll see can dress that and then that activity will have a place where kids can have on water supplies climbing walls in pool seating areas things where folks can just congregate and socialize in the environment and we mentioned the business it's yes it's an asset for the community but it has to cover the cost of operation and we believe the features and the kind of activities are being planned in a facility like this of this scale can be can be covered through the kind of programs that are basically generated the initial concept was have for a smaller pool we looked at how could we develop a small body of water that would meet the minimum township  when you look at the national parks and recreation association and the american family association they have a kind of a rule that anywhere between two and a half or three percent of a township or municipal population is that the number of the issues you should shoot small indoor teaching pool in this particular concept and then a bathhouse area and then a standalone water playground see the array of parking and that steps down with this site which is really kind of interesting with that ball allows us to take advantage of the of the scale of a building that might be developing in a facility like this the water slides really these the kind of features and functions that really can provide a great deal of interest in the facility for the patrons in users had here in this room and we got comments on each of the options what we look at in this particular solution was is that this is where the current white plateau of the old tennis courts were and if we had an area that didn't require different profile options on how to make that work within the space and then we have an interconnection body of water which is the large activity zone where we have water slides and climbing walls and features of that nature that provide for a lot of activity you'll notice there's no really kind of focus on activities where families in case you want to want to very repressive basis so this week and again the parking raise you can see kind of steps down the hill and then we have the space set aside then we looked at developing a much larger facility this is by waters roughly fifteen thousand square feet of water it has a full six lane pool it has a beach large scale beach access a lazy river and water s balance of the water so these are the next it's on a separate filtration system and can be treated and put back in service much bigger than taking the entire facility down and that's why you see these two bodies of water to filter systems in all of these features and no problem and then as a result of the meeting that we had with the community we started to fine tune the option for where the all tennis directly connects to the beach access and again we wanted to have a visual connection between pools and water playground souvenirs a much more close relationship give families there with kids that want to be in both locations hard to mom and kids can actually use those to compete if they have time systems now in the slide so that they can actually put their time on you'll see what their times are coming down to the sly so it becomes kind of a fun activity for the kids  would serve for all those supplies filtration back of the house activities the good we talked about how we could take this to the site and what we did is we looked at the cross section through  the pool complex doesn't become so hostile doesn't come up why option for the community so what we alternately ended it suggesting in our final plan was that the if competitive swimming is not deemed to be  located the face into the the entry the building in the parking all of our eighty eight parking is basically grouped directly adjacent to the structure and one of the major changes we made was we created the boulevard so that we  access to the site from the site if we go to the six lane pool which is the other option we've looked at you'll see that we've picked up another bay of parking in a small win here so now we've enhanced the exiting from the the with for tex international which is one of the leading many factions who want playgrounds and water playground equipment and generally speaking what we find in most disabilities and we have a natural reaction plays on for the older kids were there's a lot of different types of areas within that we try to freeze some side of the transition some type of the transition zone where we can isolate smaller kids and this is this interactive here is really designed for the little toddlers and things of that nature where we can have and again all of this is in the report it's all outlined specifically for the really wanted to be sure everyone understands what that is and a tremendous opportunity there is for the whole community including children to get involved in this sport i'm currently in mount lebanon upper st clair townships have municipal court they can play off of the fences similar to racquetball in that but it's a great sport for kids all the way up through seniors and we have men's leagues women's leagues mixed kids could do it  well in two thousand and ten there are one hundred ten thousand players and and now in two thousand and sixteen there is over two million five hundred players and it is growing so fast there is a kalar pick up a magazine that comes out six times a year and it's an international sport and what i can say is that i'm hoping they can push these people bought points and i saw that you had four  sixty eight i know on one court of a tennis court you can fit for courts that mean sixteen players on one courts and it is growing so fast there are so many players that used to be at the courthouse that you had to wait in line because there is fifty players down there waiting to get on a court in so my husband and i travel all around for national players first were also certified as pickup on structures and at the u s open they had to book the players to play in the tournament there's two thousand players there playing in naples and it was the draw was sold out in ten minutes now i'm telling you the sport is growing so fast that it's going to make your head spin and i'm hoping that when you put in the pick of all ports i'm hoping that you can start with sixty eight and give room that can grow more courts because there's a lot of people that are can i ask you clarify a question you said that you could fit a certain number on a tennis court yes are you implying that it could be a tennis court one time in that it could be it or you just using that as an example or space i'm using that as an example space thought of the fire pit i don't know if there's a party but i don't think there's anyone the township worse scouts can camp overnight just a clearing we can put tents up and maybe have a little fire pit so it really doesn't cost much money it's just a matter of allowing us to imagined this kind of a project being created in my life it's just overwhelming and i'd like to see the figures on the proposed costs   i'm overwhelmed and i see that the priority seems to be the pool and i had some thoughts first of all unique to the situation i heard the y m c a cia was involved how would they be involved in this project a lot of talk i know i'd like to know that the second thing is how many other alternatives are there for exams in reviewing some of the information i found on the internet i simply looked at the pool at mineral beach and i wondered if it would be appropriate for us to approach them to see if we couldn't put a cover over that pool so that it could be used year round this pool would only be available three months of the twelve months of the year rather than three months of the year and i think that would be most appropriate we start talking about competitive swimming and things of that nature that's a year round sport you can't do it three months of the year and hope to be competitive  for the full twelve months anyway there are other options i think should be looked at and certainly the y m c a is another my daughter works part time at the cranberry facility and she tells me we build a road or design something you look at twenty years in the future for design year this is one of media supply audi's in the south feels it has still an amazing potential for growth probably more than what it's grown out right now as compared upper s accelerated than our timetable and and that work on their end of the property is most likely to be in advance of one or two yeah i was just wondering you know to look at one major  major plot of land that's so close to each other but to look at it with blinders on and not possibly top this because it's a school district in here trucking again from a transportation background when you're doing earth work moving activities there's a lot of cost involved in trucking away we're bringing in soils and you drive but it sounded like that if you're moving just because the schools only a year or two early if you have to truck all that  council was the fact that they were wanting funds are we with that considering giving taxpayer funds to help them with them being a for profit that was the big hit because they're for profit and they want help to put it in and we also own a gym here in peter's township we're a different style altogether so it's not that's not my concern but my concern is this there are a lot of facilities from studios to big box to whatever around been being saturated and then you had the big one come in town which is you know extremely cheap and it has hit him hard as well as many other places so my concern is if you're if they're going to build if there's going to be enough people sustainability to cover the cost that it would take to run these things this big facility with membership dues going exhibit i've talked to a lot of different people and it's just that people you know they fall into that may not be able to you know take on the amount of people or the amount of money coming in to sustain it we've been very conscious of in the past on a privately run i mean we're was bill young i live on a very rhode island directly across the street from the proposed plan ok and i was curious what the rationale is for creating a new entrance rather than using the entrance that was there for the country club for years it's a good question mr large to be in the answer is zero in the trap it looked at that they believe pulling it down the hill would create a situation where there was additional site distance and were for stacking if need be if in fact it turns out to be a single eyes intersection right now the township is taking  proposals to do the engineering work associated with both the intersection of east mcmurry road in the connector road as well as the intersection of center church with the connector ro very cognizant of the concern of people on the road and what that means for access into the property one of the first tasks that the engineer needs to undertake is an alternatives analysis and in part  has the look at how one could mitigate the impacts on our neighbors on all these big roads so i don't know that we have any specific answers to give you with this boy but we certainly understand what the question is bedroom and so forth also all i will tell you is were sympathetic to i understand those along the way and i think one of the major issues is going to be that cut through from center church because in it if you have a red light are some other traffic control mechanism there when people worked coming from work or whatever on center church road we're going to take the easy way and cut through the park and you know that there's a speed limit obviously is going to be twenty five or somewhere in there but you and i both know that even though thirty five right if you know there's a major problem there all the time as i would like you know suggest you know some alternative entrances but the one hemington from williams avenue it's just off of center church road going on the part from senator chuck down to route one thousand and i magine that you've studied the combined impact of traffic on c church or going to its route nineteen and i just wondered if you could and i'm just concerned since i go out that way there's no traffic light or you're the  on the arrowhead trail and on the you have the bikers you have the joggers you have the walkers you have the dog people none of which like each other and it's it is hard to co exist in large groups you know so having the dog park portion of this plan i think is is very good very good news for us thank you we've had a lot of interest in the dog park here yea