month concerning the timing for the proposed budgets for the cost of government commission in case there was some need that we saw to petition or ask for a larger annual budget in terms of  that would be correct if we wanted to ask for an additional now the typical way to do it would be for us to talk about it in september for the upcoming year so if i can a don't to discuss our upcoming budget and the appropriation for that and i would suggest also in december because my comment last time was that we should check and make sure the budgets correct for what we actually want to do that and then again in the stepper in case we want to amend that october appropriation in any way is there any other discussion about these guidelines or about actions to be taken prior to make generally what we would need to get into our budget i think that the cost of a technical writer one hundred one year which isn't me has gone up in each of those three years so actually this year i've kept a flat so that's something to to keep in mind that the budget might have stayed the same but  when they're when their contracts themselves have changed in terms of the hourly rate for the technical writer and i think last year i know i haven't spoken on this at all i was right i've been doing this now for except for the one year job there i'm not sure maybe six years six or seven years probably and last year was a bit of an aberration because you in addition to the cost of government commission you have this special committee and county governments and so in some ways in order to keep this commission abreast of what was going on and how their work related to what was going on the special committee i had a monitor  different groups which a lot of i wrote off to to be honest so so i think it was a little bit of an aberration because right now you're doing your own work and i'm just working to ensure that the articles that i was able to get those articles and that that information that was gleaned from those articles actually went to actually matched with the report was saying i thought it was very important to do that solely on those i think are things that are unusual in all the years i've done it that i've done this that that time i think that amount of time like i said was an operation so i just wanted to put that up i think it was certainly recognize that what we do here i think we can kind of generalize you know all of the told that we want to get harsh we're going to spin it and you know i don't think this down you know a lot of this stuff is not going to be a lot of research i think that we haven't even now compared to what we've got to do because you know we i also have here currently of what we're spending up to date as of september of this year so just like i did last month about this for this one which was to take a look at how many hours were spent continuation of a discussion for potential topics we may change just from time to topics to the topics as i think we've moved on to essentially stating what it is that we're going to be looking at before i move time over to  was another topic that we're going to be looking at this to think about the how what are we looking at one of the questions that we're asking how are we going to have civil rights that's very very important right now the how it's going to be just like it was last year we need to know how we're going to do how we're going to answer what it is that we're what it is that we're asking if the how is too big that means we have to change but what that means we got to change what that question double and public works the same you know other departments of fire and public safety remain relatively flat and things like that so it's interesting to look at this you're seeing is the tip of an iceberg of you have a safety problem right and those can be forward predicting and say hey you either get it either control the little things or one of those little things will turn into a big big forty years yeah sure and then if you flip t different types of workers compensation for out here indemnity medical and then the total looking in two thousand and thirteen to two thousand and fifteen you know again the medical claims of four thousand fish forty five hundred dollars increase per occurrence so that just goes for a few of the numbers that i want to bring to everybody's really lost in our own words to think that well that's not a high risk so we go to the business safety training on proper lifting or things like do we make the training optional versus mandatory think the dollars and cents of our some low hanging fruit for a cultural change that shouldn't cost a whole lot of money on the front end and it has potential savings  is good information but it's not the kind of information that somebody who was a health and safety specialist right would would want this is more of a pure budgetary standpoint it were the intersection between budget safety comes from is the new thinking is you change the behavior that change that change gives them an overt incident you have and it not only you want everybody goes home safe which is very big thing but to do it if it pays for itself you don't have the monetary cost families who makes good sense all right so i agree with john there you have some some questions would be just based on this report and then they bring it back to the park and i do have contacts with the the state safety officer so those who is job descriptions are safety officers i have their names and numbers for the departments that have them it's because not all of the departments have a designated twitter job it is safety officer so for those departments that do have that job position i do have the contact online corresponding just scription for every single one of those that are in there so if you want a safety officer number one you could go on it's in the budget a safety officer number one being paid as an f t one for whatever department because going to the county website and look up safety officer gov one and get the job descriptions and for each of those so that's something that we can do right now without asking anybody else for that information we can figure out how many give let you guys have a crack at it what are we trying to what is the question that we're trying to answer that we're going to be comparing  thousand and fifty one of the reasons why the center was because they were unhappy with the level of reporting with the planning that they were using previously and now that doesn't mean that we can't to get that additional information what it does mean is if i pull back or if we go back to ask for advice and she wanted to be like dead specific like we want to know what the incident rate was by the partment four year blah blah blah blah so that we minimize the amount of work that they're doing trying to get us these numbers so if we can define exactly which is why i ask about his or what is our compare what's our measuring stick you know what that is and that makes it easier for us to go back and ask those question want to stratify apartments by employed by the every hundred employees by number of miles traveled indicative of a robust safety culture in the town so say the incident rates relatively low comfortable with that then moving onto any additional information that we would need you bet you that there are some other questions or additional data that you would need in order to move from what we have in this report to these kinds of objectives and and figures to me pretty down easy to reprice up ok so the controls that you mentioned are by the number of employees pretty apartment that's one thing we have that information already that's inside of all the budget it's going back teen years so we crash through budgets and we can figure out the number of employees by the department by their work job description as well so that's information we already have and can get very good one of the question doesn't rely very much on what we call t is finding other private industry comparable private industry or comparable other municipalities do we have someone that's willing to dive in and try to look for these kinds of say you know please help us understand these numbers here and what is being done you know but again there may be things in place already deep you know that they're working on that you know we inappropriate for i don't know again and title for the to situation but for commission appointed to put a list of questions together show it to you for your approval and then give it i take a look at it shelley that pops it out to everybody else we get a route of comments on it comes back to us the pilot agree compile it again and then we send it out quickly that would be my preference to get it done compile any contact list of their peoples who are going to eventually need to speak with when we do our comparison we need to get at least preliminary information about the number of employees based on their job descriptions as well and you guys if you don't mind can tease out what those job scripts is i think the first one we look for safety officers right try to identify if there are actual safety officers in those departments and we can do that offline of our baselines we can all get off we can all do immediately as well right so we can look at the osha web site other municipalities to try to find those figures for us and for others so we can start doing that obviously is that something you guys are comfortable doing finding that baseline or something that you would prefer somebody else around this table ok is that come movement for action there right so we're going to be getting a list of information fast safety officers from commissioner waddling commissioner but i'm going to go through the f t s i'm going to compare those because they have so many more employees then some of these other departments the good come out that public works is doing a fantastic job because they only have fourteen claims and they employ hundreds of people something's going right at public works that's not going right in other places we comfortable with where we sit on this topic and the other discussion items  i'm happy with this i think this is interesting and i think it's useful and i think it's something that will come with positive recommendations and i hope it stays  you know the recommendations that we gave are going to be positive what's going to support the organizations here the work that they're doing and hopefully it it simply will go to show that they're doing a fantastic job was as good a job as they possibly can right now as move on to our submit a report to the county council specifically through the budget and finance committee to their chair first which is tricky will call at the deadline or the date that we usually tend to do that by shelley is well then you have the commissioners coming in and people who might have been to working on a report for them gone for that time so you want some type of report in march that whether that report is this is what we've been working on or we're still working on it we've done so far we're going to continue looking at it over the course of the next year so let's let's cut from our buying so we have some deadline all right so to the sense that we get as much work done as we can as long as we have something substantive to that we put less into it because we haven't done this much that we put less into it because we haven't done anything that we put in there is going to be substantive well researched and of quality hi paul those are the criteria that i have for what we put into our reports are there any other questions serves comments saying that we have one half an hour left us that first if you have anything to do you know after it's like the model t you know a corvette you know we are moving we're we're moving into the future of energy that that it's it's not something that can't work but i think because of the footprint in the areas that we can so do i have any taker on taking a look at battery storage options tremendous amount of infrastructure they don't have enough to pay for the maintenance you know but just don't allow it and so to me it begs the question why not examine looking at th entrance fees but just parking means you bring a car with you you charge maybe five bucks that's what the standard is and somehow figure out i don't know if it's just going to be visitor but for me the reason that i i test you know i put it is good but and i also know is if somebody came here for many years as a visitor that if i had to pay five dollars and it was going to go to war improvements in the park and sustain the park and even protecting the environment per se because and you know heave department director that said too late to have them identify what parts this is most feasible you know in let them decide which ones we look at because we don't know but i got a couple of parts but that is that does not make me an expert  over a period of time you said to them i said we're not talking like big play infrastructure improvements but we're talking sidewalks perhaps you know bringing a big scene of a cycle gets broken a faucet replacing a shower making sure that the bathrooms are clean painted all the equipment in the bathroom is not broken it's require a simple basic things that to me that's how you start and you do you don't create a further burden on  for the rest of the taxpayer here so it's it's just that and so the things that i would like to focus on first of all is to talk to john and to director parks and let them tell me which two parks or how many parks  know how to approach it but then decide how to do that and then perhaps talk to diamond parties down the road we've already talked about that in general i mean i did with the council and with the parks director they do parking there well i'm talking about how i initially said visitors just feel that you know what there may be a way that's reasonable that i have no doubt about that my initial thought was to created a fee that somehow the locals will have to pay again but that i immediately think about if i was a visitor i was expected to pay five dollars for my car and find a really gorgeous tax and i think there's a cost associated with creating these infrastructure to make sure you ha dollar so it's not worth it to us on my second comment is we already have them to visitors are paying the tab an additional you know there's an additional tax if you're a visitor to be here under that tax money is supposed to be going back to specifically for mr services like parks so i think the public would certainly say wait a minute there's something not right here we're not administer enough the current system as well as we should be  know because if we're going to charge somebody something i think if you're going to have an organized function i don't park order you're going to have to i can probably answer that question the biggest users of the parks gets the most complaints of is your it was a call to cora and i know the history of poor because i was here when it was only fifty dollars a year for a permit for these people to thing but if you don't mind them talking to john are you talking to color and seeing all of what they think is really the ones that they're most interested in looking at then we can run our analyses and try to figure out what i would like to see most of all is some metric for park usage i would love to see where the parks are how do you measure whether our parks are being used or not i mean how do we even though how much a park is being used and if you could also get a list of parks with the parking spaces available i like i'm not talking you know there is there for everyone you know there's probably four or five other positions you know that just like just as noble and and and and truthful as the ones that you guys presented and it's a good worthy of the kind of the dialogue topics seeing that we're going to start tape we're going to take this off ok so that where we're focusing ourselves a little bit more now if you do have something that comes up that you can be super super important e mail me and then i'll make the decision of whether it deserves to go on to the i'm not saying that it won't go on or that it will go on but we'll take a look at it but i prefer for us to focus on these three topics that we have before us the eve process of investigation very talks we've been talking state ok if you know your availability is going to conflict with that date now please contact shelley as early as possible as early as possible so that we can make sure that we have a quorum in the earlier that we of say for sure that we're going to have it or that we can't have it the better it is for everybody so the moment that you know that you can or can't please notify shelby and you if you can he can make it or you just