and enough to take a minutes  required under state or federal mandate or law that it will mitigate or eliminate a known safety hazard and or improve delivery of public service to the jury the population improve the quality  something with we were already separating the revolver so we did all we did class three gravel area growth together is let's do it that way no i think we're keeping the paving separate from   the next one down spreadsheet the public buildings the roof so there needs just maintenance at this point so it's not part of the capital put anymore but it's still in there to  some not recently i mean that's what caused it all to chandra so imagine at some point something needs to be so good to have it there the vault expansion is for fourteen fifteen for people to meet and that was going to have to spend some money on it and then and the shade structure over there too for fifty fourteen fifteen upon getting that outside funding we're not going to use more than seventy two thousand dollars of taxpayer money to pay for that you know i mean if you say that's what it is and you don't get that grant funding that's gone the others should and you should there are many citizens here right now that i would think that when you get to town meeting to go pay basically people to leave we're going to come for the calls a lot of that you can see if there's a big difference from even what we've asked for it for what the correct and then we can look at say some of the stuff that's happened this year one of those is that it was the twenty four or forty eight hours of on the mountain they were doing that that cold air that was a big impact with some years you do get a good amount of them were playing for what we would consider normal call volume you have an irene you have a big wind storm you have something like back come through that's a you know past few years we've had seem to have had quite a few but they're not normal of at all right and so we don't we don't put that in there we try to keep it less than that and then if we have those things then we start looking at other line that we were going to purchase or something like that we just are right we can't do that this year we have to wait and that's why i put the actual story and say the three past years what what the averages were and the year before  next line down which is the career in salaries benefit you see an increase of three thousand dollars talking with jericho and you guys and even our own employees it's hard to say where do we increase their raises and what do we look at to make a standard we pulled back and said well that towns that gave their employees this past year the three to four percent were going to be a year behind whatever you guys gave you employees for a increase say that three to four  three think we averaged it to three percent we'll add that knowing that to our career salaries in the following year so that when we're not guessing and i think that that way it's kind of  in the average i think is where we start our guys that are department then as they as they move on as in four years of service they're going to go up just like all the rest of them we see that one of the one green i mean what because we don't know what is out there resume from year to year no no no from year to year they may open and say hey there's this much money this is what we allocate it for you can ask for it you may not get it so we can't and it into the budget so whatever we get basically becomes extra income on the income line which then supplements of the discussion you guys are just having on sidewalks yeah we take a little bit different approach if we want to go buy astra green for thermal imaging cameras there's a matching percentage that we have to provide if we get   late in and providing information and making awards i mean this year they came out twenty eight days before the applications are due people don't really have a lot getting a lot of education and every department will find it and there's people offering that stuff so we felt that we could level fund that building maintenance everything is increasing while back you see just a from getting into the new standard of protection for firefighters communications we actually have a grant that was accepted it's actually last month that will be putting on a good chunk to see that in this this coming year  starting that plan of how do we get there and cover that expense when it shows up because we can't be without him there so you'll see this line changing a little bit here as we start figuring that out we need to  o cameras we've got grants for our radios they are more almost no longer making that they're telling us in two years they're not going to service them anymore so you know it's all that kind of stuff it's really good to dream to probably get all this good stuff but when course will decrease hazmat is one of those items that there's a lot of different companies out there that i read into hazmat and we're finding that if we need something we can actually came into really you know i mean we look at it really good except for we had to move some funding around to lay the paper on this and that but we kept it's a fine new equipment down  down so we made a conscious decision last year to try to only do what we really had to do to get us a little bit better position because if we had had that again last year we would have been able to cover we did have the reserves out them started by some campers have got into a ledge it was burning all sorts of ground and read or fire warden program you could ask for inverse usually reimbursement is fifty percent of the complete cost that is the one hundred percent health is paid out by the town on october twenty sixth they sent the letter i did when we feel that all the expenditures the state is going to reimburse one hundred percent unfair proposition that here we have a kind of unique situation that the body of the public uses a town road that's maintained by private residence to job it would be but is anyone approach for us parks and recreation about kicking in more fish plowing the road or maintain the road out often where you have to turn around and go yeah you know i mean i think people like to say you know on a sunny sunday in february after it's known saturday that blood is full here and there are people parked all the way down that it's a combination of both unfairness and this kind of problem where it's an asset it's sort of an attractive nuisance in a way to do that tremendous people we want people to go up there but they're not really prepared  i will say five six years ago in the first call you know the town did run its plows up there a couple times a winter just to widen out that's the biggest sort of bang for the buck in my impression in issues that we have going on at the moment that are very sensitive you know so we have to just make sure you know this this board we you know we have a policy we plow all class three i always know so anything that gets done whether it was done how it was done i'm not privy to that information it would mean we don't see a problem and it's like to think of a good solution to fix it money it certainly seems like the state stepped up more than what they did well the state share equipment cost upon us right equally but is that but is that fair is the question and and i would say i would say that i don't think it is quite fair because you're putting off more traffic on the road and you're also i don't know if you have some guarantee that you know when the state park is open it's you're supposed to be accessible you  know i feel to people who go up there on this kind of during a snowstorm on saturday goes to show and discover when they get back to the car that there's twelve inches of fresh and not plow in sight yeah i don't expect that well but but yeah that's if you can get through they only there should be some legislation that any you know state facility or access shall be class three road you know i don't know or maybe there should be  to pull more of their weight under the existing scheme i mean i mean last year they were paying at one point what i would call them while they were only paying twenty five bucks that's ridiculous dollar for all the time that he spent on the road he is understanding when he would get the extra dollar on me for time he was on the road and the other things were at the same time and that i didn't enough maybe for two snows and i said why didn't you call somebody  you this is one of three is the revenues it's going to be in my scribble narrate it just that the last year that just the tax part just the amount of what we would charge the taxes went up seven point eight percent last year this year it would go up sixteen point six percent last year i mean yes the tax rate which would include the local agreement which is only a couple of pennies was going for seven one eight this would be point five four five or so and it's it's a we said we would pay one percent of the health insurance premium as a wellness thing your people did things and this it's nine hundred ninety something so i just rounded to two thousand dollars  gone to the twenty five percent she did tell me though she is going to take that vision and dental which she has to reimburse us for but the talk talk cost of the vision and dental will be in there and then we'll have a miscellaneous revenue up on the revenue line to counterbalance i think it's only like about  dollars in for a legal and i talked to john and then swell e mailed john and vance and even with the new requests that you received recently john doesn't think that would be more than about sixty thousand they're not they're billing to us this year would be sixteen thousand which would include all matters but i put it twenty of them to their camp and the advertising you have to have the advertising budget before but donna said she really needs she's been doing postings the meetings and all that kind increased it by five or to the gravel pit taskforce money and just put the twenty eight in there because for the time being i'm not sure where to put that c c t a bus line even three thousand might come out of the contingency by whatever so that's  then put it in our mind so that would bring it down to seventy anyhow which is not good and you got so many crazy things going you made it so i'm going to skip over the salaries and benefits on everybody because there's a whole separate section for that and yeah right yeah so so if you get into the elections going down to elections other purchases printing and binding the town report was always in the supply lines previously we've pulled it out but it is printed and otherwise elections in general are down because there's no presidential election there's no primary kind of stuff going on so again administrat n just skipped the salaries and benefits and training day the training of all of the people all the different department heads gave me  their estimate of what they thought they would spend so that this comes from donna you know going to a couple of training was estimating two hundred so a little bit down she added professional fees of five hundred because we were having requests to fees if she hired someone in legal accounting some kind of you know some kind of a surveyor i am not sure what exactly it doesn't work like she's ever used to that she just said that two hundred in there again  and i guess the land record restoration and that's the amount of money that we don't get reimbursed for for getting all the records onto computer she does get a little crazy and voice for something that isn't part of the reimbursement again i'm not sure what supplies we charge the plies to each individual person if it's something they particularly quest like my calendar or i like a certain kind of pain or something otherwise it just goes to the general supply so that's what she's put forward at the end it's level funded so finance skift salar have increased actually this year my my training is up to like seven hundred already i guess it's just not in the in the actual as yet that i put eight hundred because i have the coffee and we have to try to make sure that the allies travel that's devoted to seminar they don't go to the bank very much anymore i mean that i have to charge for them no auditors  bills and then the twenty four thousand that's criminal now she put a little more in the postage supplies than normal just because she said that will be the year that the appraisals done will be a lot that because because the appraisal getting done so she thinks there's going to have a lot more mileage in that and that's for all of them so townhall other purchase change building maintenance i put three thousand but i don't know what you know i think everything that the select board had in mind for the building it's in the capital the the general insurance for the town hall portion for us now the highway went up twelve percent this year on the telephone just kind of based on the way it runs postage reduced a little bit because we haven't been using much and this is one of those where everybody's postage used to always be in the same line and now that we're getting a better idea of what other departments  supplies is usually pretty much basically only the water that you have the technical expenditures includes four thousand five hundred donna asked to put in for the  that that's the software that will do the minutes and all the committee minutes and you know what i'm talking about right yeah yeah i can i don't remember the name and whatever but it will evoke rule yeah yeah and i don't know when you know the boy five hundred she wasn't sure if that was going to be approved or not or how what we're going to go on the out so that's the one that's like almost four hundred bucks a month  yeah that's what this judge tauriel supplies just you know her best estimate sherry's and the same with the kitchen supplies office supplies this ends up being almost our contingency in the town because you know as you can see we never we ever get that much that you cheri budgets this month and she says she is really hates to reduce it because once it's gone it's gone that's what it is and you know at the time when everybody's office supplies went through there except you know they they might have spent seven or something like that you know because now you know now office supplies are all over but it is an awful lot for a just you know paper of the bottom cover both of us right back to animal control i didn't get any response back from jennifer so i just put in you know for the salary look over there i just get a regular raise but i b that's the same and then the dispatch three hundred is just and i see a conservative number as six rescue as per their request fire department is pretty their request and the health again i didn't get any response from jennifer so for the know about anything she may need that the help while monitoring that's the ross environmental i think you just sign that so that's right off that quote the d n a that's right off their request that you know that's a little bit more than last year and i know we had talked about social service agencies if they increased it it would go a bit but still in two thousand and twelve it was even more so  it he said or you know he gave me that number of hours that he thought that i thought i would be working and then the other expenses just to leave the same so the telephones at three hundred and then just supplies it twenty fifty a lot of money she should just ask you if she wanted to put in the budget i would just put the normal stuff in here so i think she's just going to do it professional do is just american planning officiation american institute of certified planners american association of state flood plan managers certified flood plan managers on flood plain i'm sorry to hear you say that five times is she said that this includes hiring a consultant for assistance in planning projects which is normally schermerhorn and for directly requested reviews i figure assumes that maybe actually she's got some data from somebody travelers just mileage to seminars are safe because it's that conservation i didn't didn't get a response and conservation but normally the expenses that are in there are plants that they conservation revenue so they don't always forecast and energy i didn't get a request from them which i was really surprised he didn't write back and ask me what they want to why fifty was that he never through there are three percent just to have a number in there that was conservative capital improvement there you go seventy one thousand dollars and then seventy five hundred per the childcare resources the same thing and caught the same thing through a food shop that can mimic call whatever it's called that's their request it is up one hundred dollars still very close  us to the total expenditures for everything that's not the highway and as you can see i said one time you said to me that a lot of people think that you know look at all the money that the town hall spans it's almost as much as the highway but really that isn't just the town hall meeting that's the yeah yeah there are some extra money in there but i thought you know at least i'm sure it's so close that we paid to a person who was an employee to do something and whether it should have been contract or outside labor is where the find your mind i didn't know enough about the industry or you know to be able to discern that time to think so but i think still the the actual of twenty eight and then getting up to twenty right now i think the twenty six thousand for that  now so the treatment would be like these that we had like seven thousand dollars spent one year and five thousand dollars spent the other year what is that that was probably some minor crack  ahead of time in my mind obviously just ahead of time for this time coming up so to get them through their grossly underpaid time that you know we made these address months halfway through the budget period which is  ok so seven one they guy they got their forks their regular percentage well they're actually seven seven one seven one is when they also about the special raise seven one they got their regular it's seven one two thousand and twelve they got the raise that brought them up to what you want them to be so they didn't get the four percent plus something else they just got whatever that was y seven one the decision was made in time that they got the raise on seven one and seven one they got you know whatever the percentages were they deducted the budgeted percentage they got the new percentage on seventy one so they didn't get it it wasn't like layer in the year it was at their regular scheduled rates time it was just a higher raise but i think my understanding was that you felt that was bringing them into line to what they clear when you consider that it's a change to there where i just don't see the jump what you guys have come to here is these guys were adjusted at that time for being grossly underpaid whereas i do not feel that anybody else in this town responding to those surveys because it's really hard to compare different people in different towns if you know they have different titles they have different duties they have different jobs that's really it's just harder to just start selling down and stuff but i think you know if you just go back to the the highway people i think not to give them something would be because that means what they're making today they're going to be making in june of two thousand and four team that's eighteen months from sense the sense the highway department got eight percent last year if you were rolling that yes they did and that's why i say i would i was not anticipating any adjustment in their cellars that that's whe line then so but if you put them in line if you put them in just this just this highly people again if you put them in line what you think they should have been making in july first of two thousand and twelve right that's raises gonna last them for two years now and that's what them enough in line that that put them in let me put into the high part of that line if you think they're getting more than what  you know there was that going on what i can tell you what i did also do that i all these things that you see in the budget i this eight percent four percent but i did also do this thing if everybody got four percent just as a four percent down the line and it's it reduces expenses it reduces salaries of a little about nine thousand dollars and benefits because the social security retirement about two thousand dollars is about eleven thousand the last budget i think so yeah that is there was a lot of there was a can't well we can't keep up four percent as well here of the salaries growing like this you can't keep doing that and no one does it so when i again look at other you know situations that are what other people with similar jobs in other municipalities are making you know and you know and emerged and you know i think some of the stuff that that goes for i mean i  don't do that i understand that but i think one thing that that would be good if you have time to look over because i did send these to you like everybody salary history and there are some there way you know that ha crazy raises here in there and i think some of these things where we have like you know like carrie does a certain amount for planning and a certain amount for zoning and you know if you if you really look at this one that started has that function increased to be that much i think i think some of those are like you know the amount of money to sign checks know when you split the job planning and zoning it is a lot of work you know but ok you have to compare it to your comparison what the drug use and what it's hard to make comparisons other counts too because they're all different budgeting and the insurance administration in risk management i get that by thousand dollars to five thousand four hundred dollars because the town administering it used to do it and when that stopped things got pushed mean i don't know i mean you could do that too or what that's true but if you want to say that yes right now what they're being paid now is probably right then you just want to look at what price increase you want to give probably would be time to do what you're talking about but that would be something to be done in the future if you're worried about what people are getting paid i mean i'm worried about it but it's a check and balance well is that being paid yeah and probably because so many of the jobs have changed substantially chris murphy left and everything's been divvied up o in my mind if that four percent is started then it's about six months shy of that june jaded twenty fourteen you're talking about you see them you just yet here saying if i say that they deserved a four  percent and then i gave them a four percent early it makes it shy guy is six months on the back yes to that there's the key work rate there early i didn't know that was giving them something early i thought you were saying you know right now as if what they're doing because they stepped up when they lost a r with it if they were going to be supposed to get four percent here and four percent a year from now what would that be an actual dollars here to kind of try to back a number and i don't know i probably negative so we'd probably have to just use some kind of token but rational was never wrong oh yeah yeah i was wrong to rationalize that what we did i had done nothing if we had done nothing that july when they would have got four percent and then now i would have given them four percent to catch them  would have happened then they were there just got even more earlier getting paid more than you know well i don't know i'd have to look but i mean they get pretty good pretty high up there very close when you have the overtime and stuff to that but i don't care i don't like to compare i were so so you want out and like all the people in town hall the years and you want that to go to like you know jennifer also because i did include her and i kind of include everybody who's not highway as five to six point seven five i'm sure that was based on actually wearing you know recommendations health dental vision life stay the same what i did do with health in the budget deal because this will expire december thirty first of two thousand and thirteen and then we'll be on that new stuff i did put in a three percent raise for health because they everything i've heard so far is at the premiums are probably going up you know you probably want to c with some of it coming out of the employee's paycheck and some of the town paying but i just thought it would be smart put three percent in there so that that so that takes care of that funny line then know that welding or is that fair to do this total which are just the salary year with like you said you know if we were to look at if you look at the needs of versus yours can you look at a bottom line where you can look at it if i guess if i guess at so that the property tax is really just a push because that's what whatever we don't collect on anything else then we have to collect it on the property taxes on the projects like a plug number did the dog licenses you know the same years where kerry said she only had eight hundred thousand totals or seven hundred in zoning permits and seventy three i mean seven hundred intoning sign permits and seven hundred three and zoning permit four hundred dollars a quarter just for us to upload it to stay current us no change charges for services again you know most of these came from jerry they're pretty they're pretty close to the same what we've done this year with them recording these and they're recording these restorations they were always booked incorrectly before i mean that recording these us that two dollars thing that used to be booked to the balance sheet and around and i just finally got around to it cleaned up but it's about you know twenty six five services versus twenty six last year i was really high in actual and i don't know a lot of houses closer what was going on two thousand and twelve but i know the auditor's did  they've been paying is fifty two i've been trying to get them to increase that because they really their work is a lot more not worth a lot more work to me we have got like about ten or twelve banks make counts and so do their quarterly payroll taxes and all that really so it is really adding up so we're trying to get them to put that in their budget increases the twenty five hundred for the school quarterly bill back we do all down for part of the john report that we put stuff in out the other financing sources that eighty thousand their dad i'm saying that we'll probably have eighty thousand in the general fund to use as a search today for that seventy nine thousand dollars in capital rate twenty four for four to two point five one seventy eight and you think the majority of that sixteen percent comes out of that capital capital yeah i think even knocking these down if dollars that's not in here and that should be a line item and there should be a line in there but we've never done it before and so we want to do it it may end up being right but there's no point to having a capital plan with nobody wants better roads and everybody wants a capital plan but you know it's going to cost money and that's what this discussion will bring up oh my god you're up sixteen percent will here's the reasons why and if we don't want those reasons then we cut them  county based on the businesses trade related needs we also know that this will be made available on a uniform basis to companies within this country in a manner county in a manner consistent with the legal requirement that each f t v is operating as a public entity and that basically they can like go to the airport and do that use that foreign trade  and then she looked up something else that there's there's some leadership here but we're not here all the time if they were like board staff over yeah it's an interesting relationship and it has it's it has its challenges and part of those challenges are working together as a as a group because we are group and i find that if there ever a time where you can spend a little bit of personal time with people other than just work time it's a good time to know about your daughter or you know about my mom or something we have this conversation we just know each other a little bit better and i think that something like this would be a good opportunity for everybody who works here we don't work here full time but we spend a lot of time here and have a lot internation money if my staff came to me and said hey can i have up some money and we want to go have a party when you're not welcome it would be awkward in the private sector now i know the  and personal relationships aren't that different and i would hope that i think this year i'm on it wouldn't be the time to do it because i'm pretty off this major idea but i hope that next year when this time comes that the staff could  about maybe looking at this time that they want in a little different way in order to build a little bit of morale and help with a r t awkward lation ship i also feel that in the private sector if my staff would like to go out and have a good time and not invite everybody in the staff then they should absolutely do that i would encourage them to do that i think they should do that on their dime and not conquer the controller for the money to they do it like every year yes last year was my first year they feel that it's more of a bonding thing between the town hall and the broke room because the town hall and the road crew never really get together get together and so we but i hear that so we can get together in that informal setting exactly the way you're talking about that we can you know interact and talk about our cows or kids or whatever and that it's easier for us to interact as it would be different when we have everybody acts a little bit different well i was people act a little bit different might be a little bit shy or a natural bust or whatever when you're with the person who draws your paycheck but you know but i think it's a good idea to you know have have a drink with and have a little bit of dinner with and and maybe that wasn't appropriate or comfortable before and in the years past i don't know yet so maybe this is brought out of the time that stuff i'm just now and maybe this is time to look forward i don't know senior crew member has been acting as a folk hero for me and in many aspects of the duty that it is and he's been doing that since the summer time and we all recognize that  interested in accepting the position so we would like to i would like to make a motion to get made in here in the next meeting and talk to him about officially taking that position of refor the container i don't know if you need to mean just one right you know i mean if you measure i know from my understanding with nate and we can look and we can qualify it all it seemed like two was necessary it is act on moving on you know but she could give us all this information next meeting we're seeing everything she found out there be too or maybe you may have to have been a winner though are we going to have to have another meeting before the two of twenty meeting do you think for the budget to really look at the numbers maybe when we you know and then twelve twenty they'll be even you know pretty close to being from here we should try and maybe she could  i mean sometimes