well the policy in our governmental affairs committee please come to order it is monday october seventeenth two thousand and sixteen it is about one thirty six p m my name is diane couch i'm the vice chair of this committee the chairman of the committee mr victim you know is not here so i'll be running this meeting today before we start the meeting please everybody put your cell phone is on silent mode or stun we want to make sure that the meeting is interrupted so everybody including staff so i would say i want your cell phones ok let me introduce the committee members who are here at this time excuse me we have  shortly is counsel chair white from the administration we have ed khushi first deputy corporation counsel good afternoon and committee staff kimberly will and bring legislative analyst good afternoon and included in the two thousand and seventeen mile of county legislative package the other is a bill amending the council rule ten relating to roll call voting and i also want to acknowledge the presence of council member rickey okama good afternoon  at first we're going to start public testimony there's no one in the chambers at this time but we'll check at the district offices and see if anybody's there on office to have anybody to testify office do you have anyone waiting to testify ok members since no one's in the chamber and no one at the district offices of that objection will close public testimony no objections ok public testimony is closed ladies thank you ok members we have two items on the agenda day item number one is the maui county legislative package it's a resolution entitled approved for inclusion in the two thousand and seventeen now county legislative package a state bill to authorize counties to process district boundary moments of thirty acres or less the resolution attaches a bill authorizing counties to process a district boundary moments of thirty acres or less mr carroll is the introducer of the bill so would you like to open the discussion i understand your concern about the number of acres mike my initial thought and maybe some of the folks who go out to talk to the state legislature on behalf of a sack of sarah can fill me in on this but my thought is to ask for more and hope to get down the thirty that's the only the only concern i would have is this let's ask for the the bigger number and then see what they give us any thoughts on that missed by said mr carroll yes i totally understand where mr carroll is coming from and we definitely want to get this changed but from my conversation commission is to protect agricultural lands and conservation lands and we the state has given us the tool of important ag lands and we already have quite a bit of important ag lands designated  my thought is this may take more off the plate of the state land use commission and they can do big tracks but not not have to worry about the smaller tracks and you know i i understand your thoughts on thoughts are with dealing with the state legislature if we asked too much are they just going to drop it or or would it be better to ask for more us for less  you know for the state the philosophical question is whether or not there is still a purpose of a state wide plain use commission but the key was to get rid of interim right non fossil fight lands this county has not done its job in getting rid of in terms of either so we should take our show responsible rochelle we need to do to correct that situation so i would say let's look at our house first and do what we need to do within our house before we go up in those casts their comments about our situation thank you members any further comment all right well you know i've i've said my my concerns and i'd sure like to see the number but then i probably would have introduced it if i were sitting down there but i'm up here so in this case if there's no further discussion i'll entertain a motion to adopt the proposed resolution approving for inclusion in the two thousand revised proposed resolution approving for inclusion in the two thousand and seventeen maui county any further comment or amendment ok seeing none of those in favor say aye opposed let the record show that we have one seven eyes and zero nose counties and what i've done is asked that if there is a roll call at council if you look on page or exhibit one it says during roll call for counsel committee meetings the chair of the committee may call for the role of voting members see for roll call vote if a or to vote in any non abstaining by any non standing voting member who is present and whose name is called time shall be deemed then and for men to vote in accordance with rule nine b and then also number before council committee meetings the chair of the committee shall announce the result of roll call votes so this is so that we you know when we do the roll call in the clerk calls your name and if he calls you name twice any you choose not to answer then it would be an affirmative which is in our rules that say you know no answer no vote is a and in for a permanent vote now there is one island i think it's the big out and it allows for a third vote which is kind of yes i believe is what it's called and that's and the reason i brought this up is to bring it up for discussion is to if we want to allow something like that or if we want to solidify our rules of procedure so that's why i brought it up any member has any comments or questions council should decide what they wish they would like but there was to be so i don't have a problem with it for him to set this thing you have members i kind of agree with mr o'connor i brought this up many months ago and it just never made it to here and we only have i think like eighty seven many meetings left or something like that so as far as council meetings i'm fine with convoluted because that's an easy out and i don't think that's what people put us here thank you right and members having been to other council meetings elsewhere besides this state i've noticed too that lately with all the electronics and everything there are some places have a situation where you're name is up on the screen the motion is up on the screen and everybody has a yes no button and then the chair calls for the vote everybody votes and then when all the votes are in the staff displays what the votes are and that is a potential that maybe the next council would want to take a look at i don't know how much something like that would cost but that moves us into the twenty first century and also allows the folks out there to see clearly what what the votes are so that's a possibility too there are other ways i just brought this up because we did have a situation where this this occurred and the poor clerk at didn't know what to do so any further discussion on something like this and i agree that you know to differ with you fine but isn't it taken as an affirmative currently when if you don't physically speak up on a vote that you are considered affirmative correct  just trying to during roll call the issue is if you come to miss cochran and you don't see anything what does the clerk do so the next thing would be miss cochran one more time nothing all right move on to the next person in line and that becomes a yes ok and then i know that's true and i know i mean i can see you know i was just up at the d c at the capitol and on the house gallery and i saw how that's hundreds of people rate so i got to see where the they have their little card they stick in there and then they have the buttons yes no abstain but they're allowed to abstain yes and that's how they monitor hundreds of votes coming in and interestingly enough in that one their vote is registered as soon as they make it so people can see where they're going and i've seen it go back and forth right you know they get like ten minutes the voter fifteen minutes to vote and they go back and forth and then  know so i was i was getting a tour told me and told she will watch that nif said whoa i better run out here click my button so to get the vote to the side that it needs to go by anyhow ok well good ok if you want to into right any further discussion seeing none will defer this without objection will defer this item ok well members thank you but this is probably the quickest p i a meeting that you've