bankruptcy in this no longer a company yeah and it seems tend of i don't doubt that there's anything that can be done but what struck me was that because they went after liberty st there are a lot of years that a lie which now you are dispute between them about what the damages amount might be but you still don't have a determination of damages until the judge actually enters a judgment on the damages will even if there is no meaningful dispute even if the record is clear and no reasonable jury could go otherwise still in play and in dispute because of the facts of the situation it's a very simple situation there was a certain amount of liability under the interest provisions there was a mandatory six percent rate and there was a time about i'm the a in the owner appeal but they're all kind of unique or maybe hopefully they are because all of this has to do with something that happened in two thousand wind two thousand yes your honor and unfortunately three new your libel for six assume hypothetically and i think that's clip it's close to this case that the government was going after the other show ready for a a long period at a cot was and then they'd changed course and they go after this gentleman xp client and i think the interest that a hackers referring to is the interest under fifteen a hive deet which understand us a smaller percentage of interest i'm not sure i'm with the actual rate is but that if that a cruise on the post liquidation six percent and start running until the date of their st a man's and as a court pointed out the bonds are identical that's what the obligations  transaction bond but your view as to the liability of each is not influenced by that distinction between now it's not as for the post judgment prejudgment interest issue we take note we agree with the court's acknowledgement that there was no entry of judgment in this case until january t government's position and that there needs to be a final and final judgment at least a judgement that actually triggers interest provisions under one thousand nine hundred and eighty one you you can't let judges state the wrong standard especially when it affects your case you need to listen more carefully whole ready by someone right right that's a critical difference for the government isn't it because if they're right the damages could be figured out which means if you have to listen carefully to the questions and jump in ok thank you back to the actual decision the decision and kaiser dealt with judgments and one of the on the parties and that is actually one of the interest to start occurring at and at the time of the verdict and the court was very clear the court hacks court side by lin an activity to the entry of a judgment the court had been provided a uniform time from which to determine post judgment issues the court went on to say that we conclude that post judgment interest properly run from the date of the entry of judgment there was only one another step to play in this space it was for purposes of coastguardsman interest it was nine hundred and sixty one dollars and and there were two versions but that is irrelevant here for purposes of our argument we're just looking at the portion cumulated during the time period when they were seeking a just against lincoln national from when they act out involved in the process we think that they were trying to get interest from a much longer period