costs that are figured into the immigration in pennsylvania in two thousand and six they estimated the cost for illegal immigrants in this state to be around two hundred eighty five million that cost is actually closer to eight hundred million which of course my concern on that is these people that have looked for the health care and said that it's only going to cost nine hundred sixty four billion really have no clue what they're talking about for the future for the country as well as the state big areas that have concerned us in pennsylvania though hazleton for example as a city about seventy or eighty miles northwest of philadelphia they made the  the news not too long ago all about setting standards for illegals in their area because of the fact that the crime and the costs of the police and the medical costs and everything else but of course then they went to the federal courts and a judge threw it out right and we do like to discuss that a little bit as we were talking before the commercial break we're starting to look at ways first identify individuals and make sure that they're eligible for the benefits before we pay them out but more importantly we need to change the laws and we're trying to change the law so that it is not a benefit or try to reduce the benefits for companies organizations groups to bring in illegals and we increase the pallies landlords all these there's a lot of there's a whole sub infrastructure that is associated with bringing illegal immigrants into and into an area whether it's good for jobs etc and we need so we're looking at trying to increase penalties for those companies that hire illegals the landlords that knowingly in this is a key knowingly  immigrants and that was overthrown so until we get the federal government to engage we're actually seeing the reverse the federal government is disengaging that they talk a lot about the immigration issues but as far as the nuts and bolts and trying to help us  come up with some type of comprehensive plan which would which i think would be in the best interest not only our state but the country they haven't and so you've seen states now in and out of frustration trying to develop their own plan so well guess what every time we do we have a federal judge saying you don't have the right to do that as it was as if the judgment munley said we're dipped the federal government has exclusive power to regulate immigration and that any attempt to regulate that would deprive those residents of their residence of the cross to show right to due process rights well that's and that's one of the things that i've realized as the judges have automatically given illegals the rights of an american citizen nevada or i'm sorry arizona arizona has never just had the toughest law against illegal immigration and then as far as i'm concerned we had a president who came out and i think as the word says he didn't want to open the door to irresponsibility by others when it came to settling these immigration issues since the federal government's really sitting on their hands there they're building a fence that they're finding doesn't work because part of the fence is an offense it's an electronic fence and the corporation that made it didn't that sort of sort of a bill of goods that they couldn't come up with but one of the other comments that this president had said is that includes for example the recent efforts in arizona which threatens to undermine basic notions of fairness that we cherish as americans as well as we trust between police and their communities communities that is so critical to keep us safe there's something wrong there i mean if you watch watch cable or any t v show there's programs all on called gang wars and these these programs bring out all these  el salvadorian groups hispanic groups from south america that these people are soldiers and they'll sell dorie and uprising civil unrest now they've they've come into this country they've been thrown out of this country couple to and they're back and alexandra for jr for example is one of the areas that has a couple of these very large groups it's not you know when i was in high school we had a fight behind peter's times of high school the first person gets a bloody nose stocks you go down to the dairy barn have a milk shake together now people are getting killed over ten issues and stupid things like that because of the fact that the the the logic of the human now any of it has in fact gone by the boards so now we have friday i would see a lot of new peoples faces forking up to work for the hotel they would be cleaning the rooms and everything else and on monday morning the ins bus would be there after they ate lunch to take them back to mexico so it's a deal between business and the ins and the government that ok well when we need these folks will bring them in but then we ship them out as i have taxpayers expense not at the hotels expense but at our expense to send them back south again  now and the hispanic workers that i know and i do know i'll few of them are very hardworking people you know and i'm not i'm not slamming the overall hispanic population by any stretch i have a sister in law who is spanish she was born in spain and she became an american citizen but there is a process you know and part of the process that i'm seeing is in the in the eighteen hundreds and seven hundred or eight hundred basic in one thousand nine hundred whenever you came into this country you passed medical checks they found out that in fact if you had a cold you may be put in the hospital for a week until you're over it and then you are allowed to leave one of the problems in california for example the last example that i read ninety seven hospitals have had to close because one funded mandates of them taking care of it and it's not a case of they're not getting sniffles they're getting typhoid cases which are taking a month two months in hospital care and everybody who has been in hospital has an idea on what that would cost and that the american taxpayer or that hospital is paying for it you know if we find more and more cases where those this cost are being borne by us and we have an administration who wants to look in at the flowers over here you know and that's that's irritating with that's one of the challenges we have as most of the bills that we've introduced the deal with this are common sense approaches for example if you catch someone committing a crime finding out their status immigration status and their identity just like if you and i get pulled over they ask for  and so it's not unusual that we get pulled over but i'm just saying that a cliff we're going faster or something but what we're saying is since a get federal government wants to maintain its exclusive right to jurisdiction what we have the right as a commonwealth of pennsylvania that if you're breaking our law and you're found to have been an illegal immigrant we believe we're going to send you back to federal government and you should they should have to deal with that individual and get them out of pennsylvania or put them under custody of the federal agencies and if we start forcing the federal guys stuff to deal with this because what they do right now is it will have people our police always tell stories about when they pull some a find out they're an illegal immigrant they take them down to the district magistrate and they set a hearing time and you never see those people again and then they're still here but we are focused just on those who are committing crimes or who are looking for a public benefit you want to come in and try to take public dollars will prove who you are it where you're from a part of the problem is as i mentioned earlier that the federal need to have a better system for our illegal immigrants coming in so those are the jobs that we can't fill with pennsylvania workers or american workers then there should be a better path through which would include the background checks the health checks that you described in it is not hard the hard thing is till you get the federal states and locals working together you're going to continue to have these disjointed solutions that that really won't address the problem and that people are going to be hurt by the taxpayers and the people the law abiding citizens who do their job every day jails and told these people get on the boat and they ended up here on the once again the carter administration they had an open arms well they didn't properly do those background checks and crime in florida especially one up crime in  california right now is horrendous because of the fact i was actually twenty years to the day i lived in san bernardino and twenty years to the day that i left i went back and they had closed on the ordinary for space but i was driving down and a police officer stopped me on the street and sam one of the and i'll never forget it because in the distance i heard gunfire gunfight going on and he said well just stay here for a columnist it'll be done one way or the other they'll be done soon and we sat there and talked for a couple minutes and then traffic was back up and he got the word that the gun battle was over either they shot each other or whatever they left but that would that's they weren't responding to the gunfire they were stopping people from getting involved in it letting them do what they wanted to but that's how prevalent  it was a fabulous place when i was there in the sixty's and like i said to go back there in the eighty's and see that kind of thing happened was it was disconcerting to say the least and well looking at politics and how the immigration you know this administration once again they pushed off during the census the idea asking if you if you were here illegally or not they push that off so we're still spending money people are going around in course i didn't see any acorn folks here coming through peter's timeship you know everybody got a mailing but in areas of the city there were people from the census going to ron counting heads and in fact according to the two thousand cens pennsylvania lost one seat this because of that census california picked up six now i can't wait to see what happens now you know we're looking to lose at least one because arizona has four hundred thousand illegals right almost yeah that's a nice one congressman but pennsylvania lost in natural attrition they lost probably in the last ten years one hundred thirty thousand people were legal but they gained one hundred thousand who weren't so that population of hispanics and which have in fact basically hit the east so instead of having an area where you have the problem basically localized this governor hasn't pumping that process up and i shake my head i don't know i think hopefully you stop politics but sometimes you wonder if politics comes to play but once again instead of doing all this talk and they need to sit down and it's real simple like you like you did as a chemical biological you know identified the challenges and therefore the premise that you can work in and then come up with a solution within those parameters it's not rocket science but it  is it requires accountability which is lacking in general in government we always want to tell people that we're going to do everything we can but accountability seems to be the question that you asked for property the stuff we're talking about isn't it property taxes congressional districts that are being in fact that question this time health care is part of the issue and this is ministration and the congress has pushed through healthcare that in fact and majority of the population issue and solving a problem that they created themselves in a way that doesn't really address the problem i used to hear the term that there was about forty thousand or so forty million  twenty million of that twenty million roughly ten million are immigrants either legal or illegal so now you're down to ten million americans that of three hundred being involved with this issue of those ten million five million fall under existing programs that are elbel under existing programs we have met medicare medicaid etc but aren't enrolled similar to what we had in pennsylvania with our children's health and initiative program we have a program that covers basically every  every child in pennsylvania at some level yet we don't have complete involvement so what does that mean to we should we establish another program to remind them that that's actually what we did we did more advertising but the programs are there so now we're down about five million roughly even if it's ten let's just say five million americans who are following who are who are middle income who are above the level where they're not eligible for the programs that are already exist in our below the level of income where they can't go out there and purchase their own private coverage that's affordable so as a family member that's who we should be helping and the way to do that is gives incentives gives tax breaks so that those families or offset some of the cost but so instead of they don't now they got this bill now they're starting to come out with the cost of the study after they passed the bill now they're starting to question oh how much is this really really going to cost this is what we were screaming is that you don't know the impact why health care costs going up well part of it is some of the issues with the lawsuits part of it is as a private insurer or as an insurance if you have a small business your rate to be going up yes what they've been going up because the federal government has been cutting their reimbursement rate so the government as a government rate reimbursement level goes down for the insurance companies that their costs go up so what do they do they put on the side of private so we haven't looked at how to control the cost solution is what to grow the percentage of government provided care well that's not going to work the taxpayers are going to be stuck with a bill that we have no idea how large it's going to be so we're worried because a lot of the requirements under that legislation are going to impact states once these benefits are out there our biggest chunk of our budget in pennsylvania is make a split between education and department public welfare benefits if we look at areas where we have so most of our greatest amount of waste and sometimes fraud it's in our human resources department public welfare budgets it's in and that's what we're going to have to target as we have less revenue so what are we doing instead of solving the problem we're going to pile more onto and that's what that's what a lot of sort of concern about and we don't even know the full impact yet and so we're going to monterey closely well the the costs for these issues are very unflattering yes i i said whenever the budget office came up with cost for this program the shell game that they were using as far as i can tell because i actually read the whole stupid  plan talking about somebody who's absolutely bored i need to go to sleep and so i started reading but it it in fact the parts that they're not talking about are the parts that really scare me off the health care bill brings in a military unit that in fact is answerable and takes an oath to the president and that scares the hell out of me to be honest with you but we don't hear that the the advertisements they're talking about the medicare costs medicaid costs as they're cutting or the cost that they're going to throw on medicaid should i say is going to triple medicaid they're not they didn't cover any of those costs it's funny because when we talk about the cost for these different government programs just just to throw this in i was shocked by this the cash for clunkers program may have cost over for forty five thousand dollars to the taxpayer for every car that was sold no one ever told us that you know now say they were only getting thirty five hundred forty five hundred dollars or something for those vehicles but it cost us ten times more p care to administer the program to give the write the checks and everything else and that is the fundamental difference between a lot of the you know when people say what to discern between the politicians if you want to grow a program you can as you've mentioned you gonna have to pay for the administration it would have been better give a tax credit to every person and so they could just write it off in their taxes a tax credit so it doesn't cost us as much to master than it would be to provide that money but now we have to develop programs because that makes you beholden to the government and so that's where and that's why we warrior i will it would have been cheaper for us to give a thousand or two thousand dollars a month to this to the individuals who don't have the insurance or their families some type of way then it would be for us to mrs whole new program and that is the challenge so were the coster and even had been on all showing up it has worked into a boondoggle for i believe the last time i saw three hundred ninety billion dollars a year in operations and costs for another bureaucracy which hasn't which is basically failed in the process that they were supposed to do they were supposed to wean us off of foreign oil not only have they not done that but congress along the way has in fact caused the problems with drilling in anwar you know that they like to show these pictures of a beautiful scenic area and more and more is like a desolate area it's desert it looks like it looks like the moon shots but they know the the organizations who want to protect it in fact show that it's a beautiful scenic green tree dairy and that's not necessarily the case having being in the military i happen to have been there once and that was something we're going to skip right over now to tensions because we're going to be running close on time and i really don't know if this is some one of these things that in fact has a lot of people concerned you know and i'm i'm one of the ones who are talking about it because in pennsylvania the supreme court has ruled that those pensions have to be funded they're a fixed pension program other words if you work for twenty years and you're a teacher in the public school system you basically going to end up with half of whatever your salary is going to be  now how long if you work if you're in the state senator or representative how long do you have to be before you get a pension i believe it's eight years i think you're vested it eight years and it's a multiplier so you don't get a full p would get i'd have to look at that do the math but for us for a legislator to get half pension under the current rule for the majority of legislators now that's a multiplier three so you are looking at earlier that governor ridge in fact whenever the budget surplus was there worked out a deal for legislators as well as teachers write the legislatures received a fifty percent bump on their or their pension teachers received about a twenty five percent bump and this was done in two thousand two thousand and two thousand two thousand one time frame it's interesting because that deal he worked out back then it was there were a lot of school districts who were asking for and that was before the  crash the stock market so there were a lot of school districts who were asking for the ability to have early retirements because the idea being we have a lot of employees who have been there a long time and have done well and based on that bump could be addressed and not have any significant cost at all associated with it so that that was the information that was provided at that time obviously the stock market crashed and that wasn't the case and now we're going to have to be find a way to deal with it from that are going to end up spending several significantly more on real estate i read an article that one area near the center of the state was looking at a two thousand and twelve has an increase in property taxes of around six hundred percent and so i mean i said at once again looking at peter's times of as we are looking at our local communities whenever sixty percent of the population aren't paying taxes and we have  a larger home the average in peter's i think right now is about three hundred nine thousand for the homes so we're paying larger amounts and tax right the burden that falls not only on us but the people hiding behind the cameras right now is taking that is in fact going to yes we can talk french and more and so i would love to because i said it's an issue that's going to be a long term problem and it needs help various we have some reforms we're trying to do so excellent excellent thank you folks for this ng with us today and look forward to seeing the next time on talking politics