chapters thank you chair i commissioners welcome public just as the brief introduction again we are these are special meetings of the planning commission to review the draft update of the mocha a community plan we're winding down with planning commission meetings and the next step is that the plan will be transmitted to the county council and they will have a up to a year to review take testimony and adopt the plan so on the agenda for tonight we're starting out with chapter six section six point one the land use section and this was reviewed at the last meeting on march twenty fifth however there there were a few items that the commission chose to defer to tonight we have a number of planning department recommendations that we're going to present to the commission for their review and consideration next we'll move on to chapter seven community design chapter ten implementation and monitoring and then the commission is going to review previously submitted written testimony and then at the end we have all chapters open up and i'll mention that we have two more meetings of the last meeting the commission requested two more meetings we have them scheduled for wednesday and thursday march twenty third and twenty fourth the twenty third i believe we will be here same time three p m thursday march twenty fourth and we will be on the east end on a community center and that meeting will start at ten a and there's another group coming in at four thirty so we will and absolutely no later than four p m so going forward today we do have quite a full agenda so for public testimony we are going to keep to  three minute limit and there are going to be multiple opportunities for public testimony to the extent that you can keep your testimony relevant to the item that the commission is on it really helps them review and consider your and we actually gave the final to all of you to be and that has the signature on the cover ph we just wanted to make sure that it was actually recorded and for us the signatures were sorry but we only had two days to gather the signatures so we will be getting more by the twenty third twenty four but it is just our request that this be included in your planning commission doc and the way we set it up was to give the explanation and the present situation followed by the calls and the action steps so it's relatively easy to follow if you have any questions please feel free to address myself or and indeed i do have a question this is the first time i've seen or heard of this document i'm a resident of the west end when were these meetings held and how many meetings were held if this is a well to represent the community  well we the reason why was when we spoke with and he was actually the manager no not the manager he was  board member and he said that actually had their own policy so that is why it's called the west and policy but we included things like to improve the road so it doesn't conflict you know what it what we ask you to improve the road in a way to fix the building and to do other kinds of things but it's been shared with a number of  but the main guy that was there i forget his name but he was adamant that they actually have their own policy plan in place in that he did you anymore public testimony six point one ok we're going to start out is on an item that we were going to try to do last time on the twenty fifth but we were due to furred tell now so commissioner ani commissioners on your table you have this packet of ma and public it was also provided on the table back there we decided not to do a powerpoint presentation because the it's a way to brighten here and you'd be struggling to see it so we're going to go old fashion and look at hard copy maps so there's about seven i believe recommendations that we have here the in all run through him step by step the first one involves conservation lands state land use conservation is completely within the jurisdiction of the state the department of land and natural resources in the board atlanta natural resources the county does not have jurisdiction over state conservation lands however in our community plans we have traditionally had a community plan designation conservation which kind of doesn't provide a lot of clarity so what we started with and what we will continue doing and throughout my county as we update the community plans is we're taking off the layer community plan designation conservation so that it's clarity so there's clarity and you can see on the map where state conservation is since the county does not have any zoning or land use controls on conservation lands so in this first map you can see this is the existing two thousand and one community plan where there is in this browns shade especially over in the mountains community plan conservation we are taking that off and if you flip over the second map where it has all of the yellow areas those are state land use conservation on the third map it shows you community plan designations without community plan conservation so that's our first recommendation as i mentioned we did this on the night we were going to do this going forward to the rest of the maui county community plans but we just want to inform you to make sure that you understand that this change it doesn't change anything with the management of the land because the county does not have designation there is fully within the hands of the state so before i go on to the other changes is there any questions commissioners  are the main reason for changing the county is what again just to provide clarity so that it's clear because it's a little bit misleading for us to have a designation on their community plan conservation when the county has no jurisdiction on those lands so to provide complete clarity on the maps going forward any land that is conservation will be identified as state land use conservation so i think that the clarity that i see when you include community and conservation overly is that the commune this particular community has a double protection barrier and so where as the state land use conservation can be changed at any time with all the whole spectrum of the communities input i disagree that that is something that should just be done because it's easier to see i think there was a purpose or for all really that i think that the whenever you put it into the community plan it just has a second layer of protection and i disagree but that is not true that is not how lines limits and limitations the state can go and figure for the betterment of the community they want to change and get rid of some of the conservation lands at least with this overlay whether or not the county has some kind of protection it gives  a very predominant look at the community wants this to stay conservation and whether or not in the end that warrants us to keep it that way because we don't have the jurisdiction it still is a very or something that says where the existing state conservation community would like to see those stay in conservation for the county land use designations is a different type of category it's what determines what will happen on that land and so if there's no if we have no jurisdiction over it we can't say the county is going to determine something but you could put a policy in there saying you would like to see state conservation lands stay in conservation  have some input nancy do you want to propose a policy to add no i don't think it's necessary i think the map says it all right there and so i just want to know are we going to vote on this or is it something that the department is just going to keep consistent with the com your body wants to make a recommendation you can make a recommendation and you can take a vote if we don't make a recommendation then we'll just take it off anyway and keep to keep consistent with that and we're going to propose to council to take it off we've discussed this with council via the a community plan and it's been taken off of the economic plan and maps and it is our intention to go forward this way with the other maui county community plan maps so we will make that recommendation to council ok so i like to make a motion that we do not community plan conservation there's a nation from them that but i believe that those conservation lands for the community plan was put in there so that the community could have a clear visual perspective in the peer visual voice to the powers that i'm on page six in the policies of number thirteen we're already saying we support the expansion  in that same location we could say that in no way we would support any reduction even though we're seeking an expansion as of that there's greater lands acquired for the purpose we could reinforce that by saying that in no way the community or the island would would support any reduction in the conservation lan i think that would and being a policy that's something that can be pointed to that have any more effect or teeth then a map over i think if you want to include that that would be awesome but i also think that our community historically our people are get lost in all these words i mean this community plan in general is hard to read for the normal person so i think having maps sometimes at least triggers us to look further into the matter and just want to record to number thirteen i don't necessarily support the expansion of  conservation i mean i think everything needs to be looked at in my own opinion and i know one attempt to change that but in my own opinion i think every incident needs to be looked at very critically before we just layer it conservation  conservation comes a lot of limitations to natural subsistence hunting and gathering in those kind of things to and traditional right so so if you want to add it in i wouldn't i wouldn't you know but i don't think and we've done things that aren't the same as the other islands in the county as well just like the number of short term reynolds is doing it we do it as well even if it's purely symbolic we have no jurisdiction we'd like to see it stay there all in favor has to be ok next to the remaining recommendations for map changes have to do with matching community plan designation to existing land use undeveloped lands there's about six changes run through will go one at a time the intent here is to just more accurately represent what is on the ground in developed areas in the community plan map so this first one labeled number two airport on this first map the existing community plan does it nation and you can see a the majority of the airport is community van designated airport there is a portion a portion of the runway just for my own personal peace can you let us know how you want us to vote whether raising a hand i may say so so we know so you don't have to keep looking around ok thank you next number three this is a jail they were area again this is just an attempt to match what is on the ground and put a community plan as a nation on other matches the existing designated and these lands have existing single family uses on them and they're on smaller lots they're less than half acre so that wouldn't really be considered rural so our proposal on this lower map where you see the yellow is to identify those lots as community plans single family which coincides with what is existing on the ground so this is by the high school the blue area that's public public is by the high school confer with mary over there because first time i've seen these and you know we would have liked to we understand that it's to reflect existing development but at the same time  you know i have a bigger question about the rationale for removing the community plan land use from state land use conservation lands because the county has no jurisdiction where by the same token the county has no jurisdiction to declare a land use for one homelands now there's an issue of declaring zoning and all that other stuff but i need to take this back to the department for advisement ok moving on to number four where downing there's two parcels on this map the first one is the parcel has the gas station and laundromat on it and the second one has the business center so on the map on the bottom you can see that the gas station in laundromat they that parcel is currently community planned as it needed single family in yellow would be to change both of those if you flip the page over to change both of those parcels to community plan designated commercial to match the existing use that is on the ground so when you see gas station and monument you just mean that tiny little area right over there you wanting to get into the single family i mean if you want to so the whole parcel if you get current residence or are there any there aren't any on that par they only the parcel that would be changing has the gas station laundromats and looks at the military there's a vacant course portion who owns that property that's currently owned by diane mackerras that the girl and her husband or whatever they were they were here at the meeting and asked us to do this they attention and asked if we could bring this up in them so we started really examining plan designation and exist in land use and coming up with these areas so diane is correct the maps that you're looking at where at the bottom where they're identified as existing community plan designation they are what's currently in place in the existing community plan know these maps this is we're bringing this to the commission and to the public for recommendation in consideration their proposal is they are not adopted so anything in this handout that says proposed you have not seen before commissioners any questions on the these two parcels and kind ok next we're moving south down the highway if you flip the page you can see a picture on this parcel there's  vacant multifamily building it looks like the there you go the parcel that this building is on is community plan designated single family there is an adjoining parcel just makai of it which is my family community plan we're bringing this up as a recommendation a question would you like to change this parcel with this existing building on it to multifamily so i'd like to make the suggestion not not to change the existing plan and then we can discuss it if we've got a second yet we have a motion to anybody second it ok we have a second so i would not be in favor of changing it to multifamily for several different reasons so i notice property very well the major problem is the existing water lines and waste the waste water runoff storm runoff and and all those infrastructural things that cost a lot of money to fix and i'm not sure if putting it as a family is going to make it easier or harder but i think that some things we need to address for the community safety and wellbeing before we start looking at you know property value and  being more appealing to somebody to take over so this this property right here has a lot of issues as far as is the whole water line running down is not adequate for fire suppression noise it adequate for any more water intake that then is already there and i even sure how this property would have managed getting adequate water for sewage and portable drinking water either agency makes a recommendation to change something when there are a whole bunch of other entities and agencies that will be impacted by those kinds of changes and the fact that we don't hear from any of them or we don't have any documentation saying that the water department in the public safety department waste water all support such as zoning change and what does that entail for community commissioners keep in mind we are talking community plan designation not zoning so two very separate things community plan designation is guiding so many zoning is direct in use and development of land so this parcel is state land use or urban is zoned in around and it's currently single family community plan if you chose to change it to multifamily it if you have family it could not be developed as multifamily tomorrow it would need to go through a change in zon and it would need to go through approval of all the county agencies fire waste water public works police everyone to review it it cannot be developed until infrastructure was brought up to par so your putting if you choose to put a multifamily designation on it you are not giving the green light for development of this parcel all infrastructure issues would need to be addressed at the time of an application coming in a change in zoning to develop that parcel so just keep that in mind of what your task is here and what your task is not you know i think i think we need to leave this alone because there's it's a residential area and i don't want to do this without input from the neighbors and knowing i skipped this and i think and i totally agree with that and i think because the community and none of us have even seen this sort of community hasn't seen this proposed changes ever since right now i would hate to make a decision for those people who have been there for years and years and years and for property owners next to that that place and then not have at least a say in what's going it would be a conflict of interest for me to put my two cents in so at this point anyways right across the street from me septic system and all that i don't ever see that happen that's just my  here of the highway that are designated part of the land uses on there are predominantly single family our proposal would be to change those lots to single family as re parcel to the east is the site of international and it is a nonprofit fish pond restoration and education and it is not a single  family and it's also one homeland the fish pond so i would request that you defer changing that designation for that particular parcel the rest of them are simple and they shouldn't h l needs a little more time to wrap our heads around that change in designation because it has development standard implications thank you to the existing maps that's in the november six point two i think about six point three zero win over if you're making changes to those maps which the community has sufficient time to look over can you be crystal clear about your all you're doing is showing what the existing map looks like and what the proposed map looks like which isn't telling us what the existing map looks like what the november proposed map looks like what it is not looks like so i'm trying to understand what changes have been made to the proposed maps from november install now because this wasn't about local online before this meeting you know because this is meeting material right and they look really these maps look really different in size from the november map so i'm in trying to compare them i'm having a challenge here making proposed changes th and then there was a parcel by the high school ok i care and it was an athletic field that i believe was single family and the sea pack proposed to change it to public quasi public to match this existing use  that is actually going through the current planning process right now they're going through an application so basically the sea pack made one recommendation to the whole island  existing land use and me plan designation and see if there's just some cleanup that can be done so when did you guys have time to make these proposals at the last meeting we tried to we tried to present this at the last meeting but the commission chose to defer it to this meeting i guess since your voting without the public have having time to look at them and figure out if they have concerns i just wanted to point out that would be really difficult for people to give you the inputs inform the commission's vote if they haven't seen them out that makes this arise from the public testimony public testimony looking at the something and they came forward and made a request and there were a few requests to the c pac buying individuals for community planned nations and the super did not put them in and i was out of the laundromat it's like kind of double check is there anything where the igs what is on the ground is so different than what the community plan designation is like if you have a laundromat and a gas station it's not single family so and it's surrounded by commercial all i'm saying is that if you want testimony to inform your vote i think there needs to be a little bit of time for the community to actually look at the maps and what the proposed changes are was my only suggestion because i tried to prepare for this meeting and this information wasn't online so i'm not suggesting i have concerns with any other proposals i'm saying we haven't had a chance to look at it yet because we just felt that when we walked in the door so if there are concerns they may not come out until after you vote if you vote now is my only comment ok you know people can come back  they can either look at tonight and testify or they cherry would look at it later i just want to interrupt because we think you know a lot of time on this i just want to appreciate interjection on that and just make it clear that this commission totally agrees saw we have been we've deferred a lot of the hole so we've left the scene hoping that if we have to make a recommendation to move forward that we leave it as is so that when it comes up before a concert a community has a year to testify so  i move that we accept this recommendation and exclude the parcel next to the pond so we're just that we accept one two three four five five parcels and exclude the parcel that adjoins upon that is where the fish pond project  anymore you put on that one park how were they able to build these residential lots for lots like that that they're all old houses i hear what they're all old they're like thirty forty years old they aren't new houses here but they might have renovated i know the one right next to the pond they were they renovated there you put a nice wall up there but i'm wondering if it was parked there sick native how were they able to get rid of it to construct a so there  some provision that would allow all of these kinds of review even if it's designated park so why change it the park designation could have come after they were build i honestly don't know the history of all of them but know if this was a if this was vacant and somebody in his designated park and somebody came in to build a single family home there would be more issues but if we are these are already developed and i don't know the sequence of the history you and that brings up a good thing because the next question i was going to ask is how does conservation and get bonded up toward single family dwelling and rural like so many different types of plans surrounding conservation becomes conservation area too so i just kind of questioning why we would change something instead of trying to make it consistent who obviously is a non jurisdiction conservation area for the state so my understanding so this conservation of course is the fish pond correct my understanding is that it is unique in that waters are identified as conservation whereas throughout the state waters or not it's land so i marsh land submerged land so it's kind of a unique situation on well ok and so yes you're absolutely right as far as a spectrum of land use is it's not ideal that conservation and urban as neighbors you would want more of a gradual change with in the tween whereas this is a shoreline this is kind of this isn't your typical line up of land uses large you want to see you on the ass up there i was going to say that i don't think this is another instance of i don't think we have enough of the surrounding property owners or people here in that area who have a say in it and and i mean those guys already on the shoreline are dealing with problems in that salt shore area so i would be against anything this there's one other issue and that is the in community plans twenty years ago people would put park on land is unless there's funds from the county to purchase the land and make a park there  is where in the community plans would like to move it into that designation of what it's actually being used for or if you are going to put a park those ignition  have identified funds for that to purchase or that it's county it's existing county or state land  do we have a motion ok the motion is to change the other five to single family all in favor you want to make it notes like that was not go fly so you want to make another motion now we're moving on to section six point one in the land use section planning department proposed changes that we started that we actually covered them last time but you deferred action on them until this meeting so commissioners if you go back into your packet from the february twenty fifth meeting there was a half page list of proposed changes and in your packet last week as well there was a revised chapter six where at the top there was a red tie that said february twenty sixth twenty sorry twenty february twenty fifth two thousand and sixteen version with and if you turn to page six six  i'm going to go a little bit out of order here halfway down the page in blue type table six point two we would recommend adding this table in this ties into what we talked about last week the land use forecast this table comes out of the land use forecasts and as a land use supply and demand twenty thirty five where this shows the potential development supply potential development demand and potential development surplus this is just data to inform decisions and we recommend adding this in so based on your decision last week to eliminate mountain residential at the top of this page that portion will be deleted lines one through fifteen and the project description for amount of loa will be added back in from the two thousand and one community pla the next recommendation is further on down the page starting in blue type on line seventeen where it starts with figure six point four it explains this figure here which is a continuation of table six point two and actually this will be updated to delete sorry the monologue portion to update those numbers to take into account taking out the mixed use residential so these again used the proposed table six point two in the proposed figure six point four are just information in the body of the tax there just to provide clarity this information documented in the plan at pac meetings we provided some of this information as handouts and verbal information and they wanted it clarified and displayed within the plan so that's why we put together this table six point two which again comes from the land use forecast and then the figure six point four it was a request of c pac but it was near the end of their process so that's why it's coming to you can i and it's like i just don't which ways are on this and so i'm trying to get some kind of clarity i understand that these are things you guys and was the talk of the rick i'm and i'm a little bit hesitant because when recommendations are made after your lengthy process and it comes to us and we don't know it right off the bat i just feel in equipped to answer and make those recommendations ok can try to answer the question the best as i can speaking for myself as a c pack member and jennifer you can correct me on anything i made a mistake or something to that regard one of the things that we looked at generally was lang use  ability and it was specifically identified in our initial workshops that there was this is a sufficient amount of land in each community plan and land use designation till twenty thirty five part of the discussion that came up as our conversation intensified was where those locations of land use were actually were and so we had requested in we were running out of time more description for example where was our multifamily for example where it where was that and  was difficult to get provided that information to really see where those densities were all the research that was done so for me personally with that example it was very difficult to make lang use designation changes for a specific way and use without having that that evidence that makes sense so when we look at that on page sixty five of your guys hand out dated february twenty fifth this was this is as with some of the other table language this is a very detailed explanation of of consideration of land use in the process toward zoning and so great if i can just  basically speak for myself and make it simple we did i believe that informed decisions and evidence based decisions when they came to land use was important for example we never even got to and we had a lot of difficulty even talking about the sub area u nderstanding of those locations for example conical town as a way to relate to the rest of the island with regards to this community plan so for me it was very difficult to suggest any land use changes that were just not completely obvious i think jim brought up a good example of that which was the ball field at a high school for example as it was stated by another testifier earlier a lot of these new land use maps and proposals we had never seen before so i'm at a disadvantage to make give you a recommendation now but just in general that's what we kind of left a plan the way it was because there was no information that was presented to us to me specifically in our process that gave me an overwhelming reason and just keep in mind as we discuss this these recommendations are kind of disjointed because they went along with my presentation last time where i discussed the land use forecast i discussed what that meant evaluating supply demand looking at the surplus looking at where these lands were that a lot of the supplies and some of the supplies in the face of hazards the presentation i gave last time led to these recommendations are kind dish jointed by doing the presentation on the twenty fifth two weeks later looking at these recommendations that are tied to it so just try to go back to last week's meeting not to approve the suggested changes and leave it up to the one year and the community to be able to see these proposed changes because if gray who has been a member and just diving into this stuff and has been his life for the last half a year or a year is ill equipped to make a recommendation who have only seen this for maybe a couple of weeks or even more so ill equipped to make such a determination so i need clarification what is your motion on is it just the two changes that i presented or is it everything in chapter six infections export me it's pretty much everything because i on be honest i cannot make sense of it and  maybe it's because we get so much stuff we read right now but i just i just going with my gut and my heart and i don't think that the community has had enough time to see these recommended changes and we just an extension of what the community wants and so if i don't understand it a pretty sure there are members in this community who would like to review it and understand it better before we put it on paper as part of our community  plan right now we're going to we're going to go to public testimony and community design in a minute after i wanted to ask the staff whether or not on the east side of whether or not there was some review of the existing designation for recommended changes process we gave them the opportunity at a meeting to look at the whole the stand to look at the existing community plan does it nations and to recommend anything or bring up any issues and nothing was brought up i don't want to be knowledge the largest areas i was concerned at the area that area at one time it was urban and i'm not sure if it's back to conservation and then the other piece that took anybody want to make a motion  then on page ten under actions i want to add six point one point zero six and action i d important subsistence use lands and resources there's a map in the one nine hundred ninety four subsistence plan to state subsistence but there's a map that could be included here that shows all of the different subsystems you see on fishing hunting gathering where they're doing it in what areas and that could be put into this plan so those are the only two so it would read land use refers to the way in which we use them and manage land whether for every culture environmental preservation recreation business subsistence or housing significant outreach and serving of coin families and their reliance on subsistence and so on it's just them out that identifies where people gather and where they hide and where they fish in generalities you can kind see and then it talks about it they did a survey and so it says you know the percentage of families that significantly rely upon subsistence to supplement their income we actually did a recent we might have a more updated version i don't know if it's an amount form so i work with uncle i'm going to be an island and then will bring whatever amount is the most updated to the next meeting so here's a here's what i think what i want to do less go ahead and these are the people that go in a hunt in my backyard and we got a map that says it's because they practice collecting deer on west and in this area we're not going to drop something that says it supports that activity when people living there and their associations say there is no hunting in that area so again i grieve but i just  when motion on the floor because even if people get i think we need time to look at it so i just want to amend my motion to include action six point one point zero six identify important subsistence use you have an idea important subsistence use and resources ok but i heard walter say was lands and resources but maybe i think some research on the national there are certain inherent rights that people have that are part of our legislative policy and law anyway so i think identifying them and knowing where they are doesn't solve any of your problems but it it also is something that is beyond i believe beyond any of our ability to change and saw i'm not looking at this is being a way of everybody just being having the right to vote trample all over your land i don't agree with that but i do think it is important to state the lens and resources for subsistence and identify them it does clarify about developed an undeveloped land shan't i just want to make it clear that i don't disagree with you but i just disagree with including the map we haven't seen so i believe so but i think you guys can see that better yes i believe that's like the school in the community center and then as you move down towards the other end you get three different parcels over here with the same public public  so so that's what i was wondering too so the call me the department has made some recommendations to be consistent with the zoning so that that would be consistent with existing land talking about because there's been plenty of discussion about the proposed harbor and all kinds of other things and just because we're on the map area so and we're looking through this is all consider rule this whole this whole area the community plan is it didn't change any of that correct the majority of this land shoreline lands on the east and in the light blue color that's rural and these are all existing two thousand and one plan and there have not been any changes by the sea pack or proposed changes by the planning department in the sand and then so all this the community plan does ignatius below all those colors is a state land use conservation and there is that very light tan color in the legend and that matches the majority of the lands that state land use conservation ok and i'll make a motion at this time but i would suggest that the commissioners and i will myself and the community people who look at the north shore area where there is no  changes and proposed changes going on in our county commission is probably quite familiar with any permits for changes there their primary concern in this chapter was that those design guidelines would be updated and as you see on page seven dash for that is the number one action in the action table to amend the one thousand nine hundred three country town design guidelines  from this chapter i would like to agree with what jim brought up that was one of the focuses we had was a bt guidelines in there and the negative impact that they're having on land owners that are trying to go through normal renovations ministerial permit type processes and the need for those guidelines to be lead to better reflect the necessary things that are in place but also maybe provide some allowances and things such as we discussed as a sea pack parking implications that don't allow certain business owners to make simple improvements as an example and saw that process to appropriately update on the  guidelines secondly for me personally one of the most important parts of community zein which is here is seven point zero two area development plans i'm a firm believer and while these aren't there's not subclans for the community plan that was made clear by the plain apartment they're more sub every description is i believe that strong sub area descriptions and plans that really look at the unique aspects of existin communities and i will do a better job in outlining the plan as a whole so when we look at our communities like conic i just for example there's a lot of existing things that are happening there you know jan just brought up a moment ago about things that exist  and so when we look at those things we figure out what we have and what the community needs based on their employees we can make good lang use decisions good land use decisions so i would hope i would hope to see that somehow if you guys have questions about what it would look like to get some burial plans or descriptions created by believe that the only vehicle that was imperfect to you would be the more high planning commission to request such things through the proper channels you know that the parking thing is kind of at the point of absurdity and got it because cars people not being able to do things because they don't have adequate parking existing businesses and structures that are dead in the water because of parking lot of time in conoco by talking to business owners and hearing about their dilemmas in dealing with their permit applications and cetera and i would just encourage folks to if possible add language that would  support historic preservation and you know architecturally accurate renovations that there's sometimes there's conflicts between that and the infrastructure requirements so and the parking requirements so if the county maybe could work with the business owners encounter it and it sounds like that language is in there to do that when you update the guidelines but also look throughout the code at the different requirements even from other departments in the county that make it impossible for business owners encounter because of the historic nature of the existing non conforming nature of the layout of the town and the size of the lots that some kind of optimal solution get worked out so that folks can start fixing up their buildings restoring their buildings maybe put the second story back on some of those buildings bring back to the glory days of the one nine hundred twenty s i would love to see that happen someday thank you well as well as a couple other small towns on maui page seven dash one the first page of community design the fourth paragraph down starting line twenty three it talks about country town business district design guidelines so the design guidelines are written to go along with the business country towns zoning to provide the zoning does it nation has development standards in it but the design guidelines which are adopted by ordinance take it a step farther to define appropriate site design street design an architectural design standards kai as well as the stand so that's identified right here in that paragraph on the first page yes it's from one thousand nine hundred three and as many landowners commissioners different people have expressed that there's good components of it in those very frustrating components of it and it needs to be looked at to be updated so that's a very high priority action to be done any more input on community design parking i think the whole thing needs to be some how the county and the business owners in qana could try to i mean the county is going to try to work with them i mean right now it's impossible i know when we renovate trying to renovate our warehouse up there it took over a year because we couldn't get through the county agencies so it's expensive and it's timely and i don't know what the you don't have to travel all over town or are we seeing that we want our support existing businesses and keep your mom and pop because those two things are dramatically different i mean if and i'm not sure why  maybe great answer but there's a lot of this freeze of encouraging mix of land use throughout more clean in all the different chapters and it just feels like it's conflicting to what ultimate y what the what the maps and the and the plan and the communities seeing i mean we get layers of conservation where we get layers of places where people want to keep rural we get layers of places where we want to keep a cultural but we keep seeing in here that we want to encourage a mix of land use all over and and i just i just putting it out there because because i'm not sure even i in this design policy guideline it says i think that's exactly what this second sentence is saying they encourage a mix of land uses and small towns encouraged to mix of commercial residential and service uses to strengthen the island's small growth to not promote sprawl to not me to not develop ag lands or sensitive lands or to diminish your rural character but concentrate trait growth next to existing gro as well as it's more efficient use of infrastructure it's going to be more economical to build something within your existing town and make use of your existing roads your existing sewer lines your existing water lines rather than extending infrastructure far out at a very costly price so i don't think that that second paragraph and the third paragraph are in conflict i think they're quite supportive of each other want to expand or improve and they have to provide additional park even there's no room and there's actually no logical need for more parking so i believe in louisville we had an action to do a parking money you could propose to add a similar sort of action to do a parking study to see what the needs really are and maybe come up with innovative parking solutions that fit the needs of the town without being so onerous on each and every business owner so we could look at the language that we had in libya and perhaps add a similar action you know i'd like to add seven point one on page seven dash for that we encourage the county to do a parking study in cardiff and  determine if a public parking area would be feasible to relieve the parking requirements for businesses that want to win proof their property to possibly putting in a public parking area to relieve the parking requirements on the businesses in town so they can improve their businesses and  midnight and couldn't open because they couldn't provide the parking so there needs to be parking relief so i mean so businesses like the midnight in could have reopened right now they're just if they want to change anything they can because of the parking requirements she's got the language in there but it's not strong enough so i would say to conduct the studying with the goal to change marking requirement on business expansion or i would break that into two actions one is to revise the parking requirement within conoco and so to do that they'd have to do a study so that you know you can just and then second is actually put in action in there that's action and then we get into the implementation table see that where they'll have to get the funding to have a public parking  measures appropriate for into a beautification plan explore the concept of centralized parking in congress town and utilize areas such as the old electric park so that's under him to structure transportation so you could if you want to reinforce that you could have something in the community design section as well in terms of i forget what his proposal what the proposal was but  public parking area in  we've already got an action to do a study what we're looking to do is build a park so that we can ease  design requirements on the businesses thing that what i'm hearing ok so we've already got the study in chapter eight in chapter seven more than change all the numbering put it down at the bottom eight point five zero point one five  four we're doing an awful lot of encouraging and we were not i mean we're not we've yet to specify and so washing will build i think mary what mary is agreeing that the study is already done in the parking lot area so what she's trying to encourage us to do is to put stronger language in chapter seven on the people action people as a c i p project so that you can actually do the implementation of the study ok we'll put it in a because here is where it is just fits better in a infrastructure transportation and it follows the parking study so eight point five zero point one five we had the action  fund and construct a public parking area and to relieve the requirement and to relieve the existing parking requirement on businesses wishing to renovate or expand you want to restate your motion did you get it that we funding construct a public parking  to relieve the requirement on existing business wishing to expand or improve their their business or leave the requirement for a fixed number anything else on chapter seven commissioners in put a chapter seven like that just food for thought and the reason i brought it up to was because as business owner the fear map is changing which means it's going to cost the business owners a lot more money for for insurance and stuff that's the reason i brought it up to see if location was a part of it and i wonder and i won't say any more after this but i wonder if more monies and effort should go into looking where we're going to net as opposed to where we try to struggle to s an ongoing process of having the nine one one emergency what do we call it premises identification of the edges and so i wanted to add a couple new issue page seven dash to issue number two premises i don't and i have the people so i can give you premises identification addressing is not complete for all applicable areas and properties on which impacts emergency response and other public and private services so that would be so i can read it again the issue is issue number two i want to add an issue and the issue is that premises identification address thing addressee is not complete for all applicable areas and properties which impacts emergency response and other public and private services ok so so i so yeah so great just help me with the wording because i wanted to make sure we got it in there and here we have the support of different emergency services if that helps to support our thing but i'll just read it off for the communities benefit and then we can vote on it on time so that was the issue also in my motion to add a new policy which would be seven dash three policy number ten support premises identification educating efforts to improve and enhanced nine one one services emergency response and per provision of other public and private services then page seven dash for new action would be action seven point eleven company premises identification address thing for all the pipe properties and ok so that would be action seven point one today and then page seven dash for new action action seven point one three would be encouraging foresman and initiatives for effective posting of addresses and applicable premises for county court and public safety recommendations the lead agency would be department of public works and the partners would be the same as in seven point one t it that was a motion second give a second ok this guy said yeah when i get down to the encouraging four spent and incentives what's the downside are we going to find people or levy a tax on their property if they don't put an address on their house but the resident has to post it here man to answer marshall's question so currently two of the main lead partners that we would have a lot more than two you have the county  jurisdiction areas you have white homes jurisdiction areas and you have the private subdivisions with homeowners associations for example so which also still falls in your county so currently there's a county code that requires premises identification the fire department for example is one entity that we do not enforce any of the code on private landowners with the exception of c brush abatement for example and so this is something that's in the code and there's other entities within the county the county that can move on that but really it's about the welfare of the community so i don't see that my suggestion is to fine people it's just it's just a it's a  need if people don't put that on there on their residence they choose not to i don't know of any enforcement effort at this time where you can force somebody to put it on there to my knowledge except for businesses ok but the words are there t to get large landowners and all of the agencies income buying together to make it happen and so i think is just the perfect template for the rest of the state and everywhere else having issues with this so what we've seen is prior to even that the government agencies got to get together and land owners and be sure that everybody's documented addresses are the same so your point legal legal authority then there can't be enforcement i can explain what's going on now if you want an address you have to call the county and say i live where you live and here's my tax map key number and then the girl at the county gives you a street address and so all that has to happen is the county just has to mail everybody their street address because now they aren't giving it to you unless you call and ask for it so they have it all they have to do is send everybody a postcard like when they do their tax bill they could send them put their street address on their tax bill and i mean it's up to the county to do it not make every owner have to call the county and say hey what's my number you're correct and if there's most of those exist but there's many parcels they do not have those addresses and what's also a concern is that is actually the  implementation of this because because of the real nature of our community not every structure is the same and so what you may have as far as address posting in a more concentrated area like camp would look very different then  let's see what the homes with would be best in holy war and so the idea is to be able to get the public or private services to to these locations especially in a time of emergency i can just speak for  me i work on the holywood district and i have prayed every day that i'll be able to find the people responding to and that's something that it's not easy and we and it's very very very difficult in our maps are crude and outdated and  so if this is about lives matter and getting there in the most efficient amount of time so that's really the i think it is not just i don't want to be self centered to say it's just for public safety because we also have other services are provided that impact people besides just public safety just didn't want to put burden and or exposure to private citizens and without knowledge are going to the law that we passed or we would start rolling so just one comment and i were having this discussion within the realm of chapter seven command design a very similar discussion was had they worded it in a different way but they put it in their fire and public safety  chapter i think it's more click the ball in chapter nine either in police or fire so consider that in your thoughts it's really more of a public safety issue than it is a design issue so it could consider that in your discussion characteristic of how we how we design work the way they're posted on buildings the way they're posted on the side of roads if they're if it's like a rural type of a system where there is a post and these are on reflective markers at the their they're compatible with what the committee wants to see they're just not sold truces and they just don't reflect the character of our community we really need to make sure that these are subtle but they're effective but also meet the i think what you said greg which is really compelling is that in working in service in holy when your greatest fear is not being able to find someone and to me that is a really critical safety public i mean i think you know way it is fantastic we're doing it we're putting it in that's great i just think that there's a sense of urgency with public safety in putting in in that way i think it almost be the but both of them because i think that was a great suggestion going about having the design of them being different and very specific design often what happens is you get volunteers that will go around with a template and just simply have the numbers and spray paint so that everybody quickly gets a certain type of design you know and the numbers on their house but you're you're thinking of even developing design guidelines for the different areas now would be correct for example give you just a posting of numbers on a house that are typically six inches quarter inch stroke things like that so that are visible from the street so yeah i think that out of respect to our community how we come up with a plan that's compatible with what the community feels is important but that also meets the the recommendations of public safety is important because we could have this rural area and all these posts that maybe with it could be a color it could be the way how close to the road they are there's a lot of considerations of how we we effectively post especially the rural areas that's that's the critical in the houses that are close to the road or are very easy that's a kind of a no brainer but the ones in rural areas is difficult because if the house is three hundred feet from the road behind a bunch of brush it doesn't matter if the address  on the house we can't see it from the road it's relevant go ahead or it's very relevant my name is benjamin and these people are of the county the county is an america america has a whole different government than the one i was a stablished here there is the united nations of the declaration of the rights of indigenous people the united nations america was one of the nations that did not sign to this they do not care about the indigenous people simply that that the apology bill states so that the valley was overthrown illegally without the consent and yet the county is here trying to make the choices for the people and backwards everything must be from the community from the indigenous they don't look indigenous to what law empowers you in your people this is on the record so speak clearly what law empowers you just a couple words just answer what law empowers you the county ordinance that empower ok board to do the county ordinance empowers them which is of america does this look like america this island in the ocean is this  america is this a state no this is a nation nationals these are native people not citizens the problem is people think that they're citizens of america when you think that you're a citizen you lose your jurisdiction and jurisdiction means knowledge of law knowledge need have a good notion but when you when you're not abreast with the latest information you still can be mad and you can be talking to the wrong people done bars and we getting a representation from each of these long time families which represent almost two thirds of all the  other thirty seven in we feel that if we have representation from the families that have been here for generations and we come up with a plan of what we should do not for gary's who almost in the grieve before the kids because you guys is making decisions that can affect their not my uncle change ok everything has flipped everything is switched if we still chasing money and business economic opportunity we can be like everybody else the ass of the old era and that ship is sinking we believe we can make jobs make in our environment better our environment is the only way our kids are going to have a chance going into the future so i'm here to tell you that from the family members that we have gathered and have started to converse we're going to propose a plan that collectively  speaks for the month i community and i'm just here to tell you that we are organizing we are getting our our shit together so that we can step up to help help you guys help ourselves shape our own future and the future for generations to come and only things i wanted to bring up is we are absolutely fo watershed protection and absolutely again in me but we will come with a complete plan soon but i needed you guys to chew on at least that two because we are united and very collectively in agreement that we want our watership protected and we we want group the collective group of our generation thank you thank you brother we have the same objectives that you do i do speaking for myself we have the same objectives you do  i just did i don't know i mean where we would be you know well if it's in police or fire section either way the police action comes first fires afterwards but really as far as getting it done yes we have a motion i believe map i just want to go through see what you want to go scared of people coming hunting on your property and all that kind of stuff what this is a general map and this map is priceless because this was put together by the community that went up about the size of that one over there and they put down a way to go away to go hunting when they go gathering so this is like firsthand information about what is happening in a community on subsistence we need to get a copy to everybody what it is the recommendation with them now is part of the motion the motion was an action subsistence lands and resources correct that was the motion it was an action that the commission adopted in order to put it in the plan as far as the being part of it i think it needs to be clear as far as how the map plays into it is it part of the research to identify to use that as one of the one nine hundred ninety four governor subsistence study as one of the resources for that action yes ok and can we just put it in as a mole or what would it what how would it be implemented in there how would what be implemented the met the amount is a resource it's not an action yes it's you wouldn't be able to put the man in the plan it would be put in the plan as any sort of action it's a resource it information that was used to draw like i said to draft section three point two the culture resources section the governors of systems taskforce was referenced if the community came up with a map that so we need some the only way you can make a map like this is to fill this room with people and to get them out of the choose to go to the map and expose things that they didn't want to expose which is where they go fishing and where they go hunting ok correct this is a hurley important but so subsistence so we're talking the action that was added that your commission added was in chapter six land so systems is discussed throughout the plan but i think it's discussed in most part in chapter three in  culture resources section because of her house perhaps it could be added as a resource map in the text there but it would be noted that it is from the one nine hundred ninety four subsistence study