good evening can you hear me maureen kang the richmond cochran road richmond for a brief shining moment in our cochran road neighborhood we were safe from speeding drivers due to the efforts of our neighbor david prince david put a cone in the center of our road not obstructing drivers of cars if driven properly our speed limit is twenty five miles per hour authorities shut david down chief book said he received complaints who are the complainers the speeding drivers not sure young parents of ben almost six of juniper almost six of malikai almost three all bright and active not this old lady either my old dog mike slipped his collar and lead twice chasing a rabbit across cochran road he michael lived i think of thank you david prince for our a moment of camelot she know this is a major rewrite of the zoning regulations and the subdivision regulations which for it now are stand standalone documents with this document they will be buying into a unified by the planning commission has helped to public hearings most recently last thursday august second and the they did make a number of substantial changes during the six month or actually eight month public hearing process the draft or the version that you have tonight has  tracked changes for all of the edits that have been made since july twenty third when the select board met with the planning commission and this version is really for your review  the public version is it will be whatever you decide to do with the document if you make changes in those changes will be reflected in the version that goes to the public otherwise there will be a clean version without tracked changes so if you basically what you've got tonight ok so that's it in terms of the overview gary or other slick there's also a summary a six page summary darkie document that includes all the changes that are reflected in the full version and mark spirit town attorney did make documents so the first change would be in section two point one point five  under the paragraph the third paragraph it includes density calculations with the non developer fall areas that  are excluded in the law calculations mark asked whether steep steep slopes should be added as one develop a ball portions of parcels in the play the commission it the second change that marks suggested that the player who she didn't pursue is in section three point three point four which is the groves section of the document so mark asked whether we would want to include the include we would want to include the specific grades and with it's related to the public work standards or the seventy six standards and the plague mission decided because those those standards change independently of zoning and subdivision bylaws it would make more sense to not include the specific current standards in those documents except yeah i guess section four point two point four his review and there were no standards in place for how that would be done so it's better not to tackle that right now and then also in that section section b three number final item of the plane commission decided not to incorporate this in the definitions section and its height definition  height ok vertical distance measured from the average elevation of the post development grade mark has long advocated that it be a pre development grade because in his in his opinion your we are now going to be allowing the grade to be modified and then we will look at that height and the planning commission understands that   well just look at the are three zone in district page two dash thirty one but this applies to almost all those  in the table you will see there is a column minute and a column maximum and so the first line which is residential density in this case it's one growing unit per   mission amy over the weekend my address the board last thursday there's a lot of information here it's complex to forgive me if i have anything wrong i'm concerned with some unintended consequences of the town we're turning to master the federal government for war be vision you originally when i spoke to kathleen a few months ago i understood that the buffer zone i assumed most of you are familiar with that there was a hundred foot i'm understand talk to the current and former mining commission members primarily to deal with areas that weren't in the flood zone but might be subject to significant development and it's a way of getting an extra level of scrutiny government has given richmond in richmond has inserted into the zoning rules very specific i think most people that have looked at them would call them burdened some some people that have looked them would call them excessive and even  permit and i'm told that richmond's hands are tied they must apply rules rules to the area within the federal flood mystery but there is no such requirement that they apply them to the hundred and he got it out but i don't think it's the rich who wants to create these hurdles for people that simply want to put some new natural gas equipment in war repair their swing set so i guess my proposal is that we look at sections two point one five point one in two point five point one of which among other things have these really tight restrictions on will caught the buffer zone but that all of those actually this documents intention is actually to a more streamlined process than the current requirements that because everything has to go through the development of you port right now for repairs or for improvements in the special for the various so even though there is a long list of items it actually is a much streamline process than what currently exist not automatically the special flight has a very what you have to do is near the area hundred dollars to get out you do have to do it a simplified contour interpolation which there is certainly a cost to it and then that demonstrates that you're not in a special flight has an area or if there's a suitable great change in missouri mistreated officer can determine that  provided their comments yet to us day after the first stocking that was submitted to fema they acquired that we dropped it to five hundred dollars for an exemption and tribalism right yeah so part part of the village residential north district does include the high density residential as well as the  can't really make a policy where you're not going forward ok if you want to change but change is really why not and after that you you could make amendments to the document prior to your public hearing and then you have and you have to notify the planning the proposal to modify the one hundred foot buffer zone what regulations apply if that's what you want  motion for the hearing and we wouldn't have a hearing unless this was our first unless we're putting this forward as the document right so we didn't make a change and move forward for we need to put forward as it is and i think we're comfortable making a change right now so we need to make a change at the next select board meeting we've proposed a change for the next like board meaning except that in the morning hear we're here to talk you guys about this project we're in the final design phase right now the project we were here a couple years ago and met with the select board i recognize some of you guys in some of your vases i don't recognize so so in fact driving this project we got on one of our best and souls on board with this group international and they're here with me and they're going to give a presentation on the nuts and bolts of the project and so on with that i just want to introduce them to you with soon so if you trans was your last back in two thousand and ten the project has progressed quite a bit wro an update as to what the status is going forward for construction in the spring the original concept for which the original concept of the improvements on route two included actually two roundabouts in this area onto one seventeen and also into the southbound on ramp in this location as well as we received on here your crew will back in the spring as i did mention and currently just this summer just last week we received all the permanent for the project through here the number of cars parked along to it's kind of unlimited access people can come and go in the park and ride lot pretty much anywhere they want of the park in this era we hear you are all on here obstructing sight distances and of course the number of vehicles kind of into the park and ride to drop off and pick up passengers and turn around and reverse direction so some of them were actually occurs within route to which is a bit of a tricky situation as well as i understand and some of the traffic highlights here for the existing conditions is this almost half i think half the accidents occur during the peak period which is to say during the morning rush hour in the afternoon rush hour and many of the accidents occur involve injury which is something we don't want to do all the substantial curiam of occurs on of self so the buses don't need to turn here so that really improves the safety in operation function of the facility the key is the safety we don't have this uncontrolled access and we have a signal lesson to section out where the safety of the areas in and stand so you shut down the whole park and ride that understand there has to be some give and take in order to construct the approach that we want to do here at the park and right and then substantial completion of construction is expected to occur in the fall of of twenty thirteen with some line of work probably citizens and i've heard complaints from a number of people that it's way over capacity so just looking at the plan it doesn't seem like that bus shelter is really any larger than was there today would encourage you to really consider the in that match was based on the participation of five towns down to four that matches divvied up equally except to all the the other four towns with the exception of johnson because johnson is going to stor truck and there were a lot of issues but mainly the budget as we had it would not have gotten us the best truck and we had to go back and forth with the transfer get some flexibility and then we just decided that every town owns it uk they can pull a trailer mounted tractor which looks more like a trailer with a tank on it than a big party in truck and that way we can get a state of the art would have to dump more often than you do you would with a  truck and then there was some question as we discussed on maintenance sort of the hourly rate and so if you want to kind of so we have developed a new mode you between the four towns and oil county natural resource conservation so the maintenance costs are based on talking to the vendor and getting all the information you can from the vendor in terms of based on our usage and what we would expect to replace based on the vendors prediction so if a boom plate needs to be replaced every three years it's in there but our use is about one fifth or so of the end of the typical rigs and you'll use so these are probably conservative numbers but in that rate at this broken down per unit per dollar per hour and then that's tallied up for a dollar total dollar per hour charge to  to the tap so and that's all maintenance those are all maintenance items and the m o you is based the i'm going to use a one year agreement which has to be renewed annually it's a condition of the grant with we'll be trans that we have a similar you in place there's a lot of history there going to but that's a condition of the transept it would have to have a similar place but it is renewable every year the more county not resource conservation to circle coordinate that meeting and after that meeting to towns can discuss tweaking the maintenance costs or adding any other white item costs like long term replacement fees which we didn't include ask if we only want to do this for one year now of course it's not our best interest because of the cost it's not really reasonable because you're spending all the money upfront and then you only do it when you know you drop out so you essentially takes the benefit but is there any expectation that you're going to do it for x number of years and no i mean the m o you specified was that you put in seventy eight hundred dollars as your contribution towards the match on the grant and i guess if you want to drop out at the end of one year period you can drop but i just want to go back there not sure where all that we've had discussions i know it's been over a number of years and under different kind of ministry years and different staff but some of the same staff are here and i do have an e mail here from from rob now mike with mr but saying that kendall had said that you were spending about two thousand dollars a year i think that's two thousand and eight maybe you know and as mary pointed out you have a lot of residential neighborhoods here this is these this unit can be used both for maintenance of the culverts within those neighborhoods to keep them flushed out i mean having back to i mean if you can be used for cleaning catch basins they can be used in the waste water system for cleaning the waste water basins and ways for lines but they have there's a protocol if you using if you're cleaning waste water there's years at least on your catch basins so i mean it seems to me you have or will have over time over the next fifteen years which is what we're estimating burlington has two of these units and i sent you an e mail i think copied from public works that as long as these are maintained i mean there is an assumption that we're going to and this is there is a risk with sharing equipment because if the parties that agreed to form this collaborative don't do what they agreed to do that they don't we will train each operator but as long as things are operated correctly returned to johnson and johnson does the maintenance then the expectation is that we would have at least fifteen years of life on the unit so it may mean looking out fifteen years my guess is that richness growing it's going to continue to grow and there's going to be a  have a wastewater system we're not using this unit in morrisville for the waste water system because it's a minister by the village johnson's going to use for years for whatever reasons it's for but i mean it's a very versatile piece of equipment you know it is more of a hassle for us to her to deal with it than just say you know what it's like let them feel that ok well i guess that the bottom line here was to try was with toothpicks was to sit to save the ground money so i yeah i mean think i these we paid more so we pay about a thousand dollars to have them spend a day cleaning basins and trudeau's the landfill so that's eight out and if we're charging  four dollars if you're looking at somewhere hundred fifty to two hundred dollars is what what they're paying out of pocket now yeah ok so then you're paying the labor on that person so we have a trained operator so i'm i'm going to guess i don't know another two hundred dollars so four hundred dollars we have a protocol for disposing of that settlement you do and i it's explained in the m o u you can start up a time garage and never have to deal with again as long to stay but anyway we're talking maybe five hundred dollars i'm not talking so no disposal cost because they're going somewhere and the town's going to manage or in some way and we've been through this with morrisville they have their conditional use certificate they're all you know available for urgency but you know that before that that had a lot less stronger meaning earlier on it's if if it's stored up in johnson and you can get a truck up to johnston you could go and they're not using it tomorrow you could go up there and get that that's not an emergency but we're going back to my original question that you know changes my opinion there's well i mean if you move to the earlier well i did only because we were replacing stow that dropped out and so is that the so so that's ok with the grand jury that you're right because every town will have their own trained operator you just schedule johnson so if everybody wants to do it the first week of april that it's going to top them but they start predicts what people have said they need for usage you're looking at a month return on the investment it was we would barely break even after five years not knowing the life of the white men who are looking at ten you're saying ok it will be a little better at ten years then more who would pay by hiring a contractor but now he said fifteen there is a benefit then if if the real life span is fifteen and the fifteen so i've heard some of the e mails just jump forwarded the ones that were forwarded to jeff and that fifteen years is actually based on significant usage by burlington so we're being we're proposing to use it like to like twenty percent of what they use it so i mean granted fifteen years is still a long time but if we're using it you know at a fifth of what they're using is maybe it'll last longer you know i mean but it's still wear and tear but fifteen years is still a good amount of time and it does make it much more it makes it a better bang for the buck i mean i would agree that tank size is a limitation but we didn't really have much of a choice we would have gotten the bare bones truck you know the town's wanted to be reasonable about it it was very difficult to work this whole thing through  uses where you could justify using that equipment and i know you know the big towns really swear by it but they really do have a lot more infrastructure but i think you need to know the waste water plant and you know even limited drainage system i mean am out all the time looking at night and i know he's be transmitting team through to for you so i don't know how well they maintain it i mean it really depends but there's certainly a lot of maintenance it could be done when you talk about flooding i definitely feel better informed having later but then my previous conversation because i wasn't coming in here feeling positive about it but now i i feel like you have answered some questions we're not as concerned thing is there a second i mean i suppose we can try but it is so so the towns because there's no financial risk at all it's a good deal  predict it's a great idea yeah if we can can do i think you know it's probably can visible to the green people that as long as there's a local sheriff your own thing it's what it's twenty percent and it would probably go t percent i don't know that's probably more consistent with most federal jury and i guess we didn't know so i think that it's harder i would agree for johnson and for richmond i think more so than what a great seven thousand is they had hardin in one a very i don't know how many times last fall you know and obviously that was an unusual situation but who was to predict that i don't know what they spent but i'm sure it was in the tens of thousands  i think a cooperative thing will work but it boys really needs to go to one year  probably i don't know if we do you know i mean all the other towns are saying the i'm over you but it's a different animal you if we change reducing the match requirement we actually won't be able to reduce it until we get the green which will be until took over i mean you need and we were going to walk through the change in roles and responsibilities moving from the slick forward form of government to the town manager form a concurrence of the majority of the members to make a decision the number of things that a selector needs to deal with is a very long list of items everything from budgeting and finance highway  structure how many buildings human resources are the hiring firing managing people ladies playing regulation public safety public works and then everything and that is the time to anyone else to see glamorous things like there are lots of facts that we need to see here so you're reading the kinds of things you're weighing there's a lot of information and a lot of details that we need to understand and so having the opportunity to collect all that technical expertise that are bigger tips can be a challenge and we may not have a good idea how do we compare with our neighboring towns and industry issues and be the ones things that they could take the smallest time off and take the largest amount of time then we can hold one person accountable for efficient and effective delivery of services to the town and removes the word from operational decisions of nitty gritty things potentially about personnel or finance and allows us to focus more on larger policy  issues so here's a little bit of civics or something that maybe you really loved into college or maybe not but the difference between management and policy mean how do we differentiate those things sort of big ideas when we think so moving on to the charter how many people were involved in the writing of the charter looking at  and general supervision for this stuff which many of those regulations that does not come under the managers  include the mom and the packet has a copy of the charter is adopted as well as this presentation case is interested so many of the specific duties of the manager fall to years responsible for drafting and budget capital expenditure plan and if that person so desires examining fears of a department under his control his or her troll access to all books papers file or departments that may be necessary for proper performance appears to be unless you're headed by law is two things it's informal and as well as formal informal we stop by chat we we know this person we don't we email that because we have to get to know each other's people but we also formal communication manager is the chief executive but also holding the major accountable for results they were appropriately when those results are cheap common areas of challenge that communication is always a challenge and i think for you know what's interesting to me is that often we make a speech to a town that's contemplating a major form of government for the first moving along this route towards community so you may have ironed out some of the things that in other towns are more of a challenge i think for citizens and slick words who are used to dealing directly with employees and not to say well you know what i have to do you need to take that to the manager that could be you know it's one of the learning units of a evolving kind of thing and the same thing for citizens you know i citizens can go to the manager because that person is in charge of all the services and what happens in town to deal with problems and potholes or whatever is going on you know that can also be a challenge for  everybody and then for the sufferer to have an opportunity to really step back or say well we have all these questions to where we need to get information to make some decision we're going to task the town manager with getting that information to us and we're going to think you know on a higher level about these things you know not that we're for seeking you know our in depth detail oriented things that we like to do but just that we can free ourselves up a little bit especially from the from personnel matters i think that that's i mean i'm a manager you know personal matters take a lot of a lot of time and if that is transferred over to somebody else and that can be really helpful if we've never evaluated someone or like some i don't a i don't know what you will beneficial i think that you know i come from the nonprofit world where what we've done is we've gone from what's essentially like a working board of directors in the nonprofit world to a governing board of directors and so knowing your place  and as a board member and then we speak with one voice regardless of how we personally feel if we vote in a certain way and same with with committees it should be the same sort of thing that if you're serving on a on a committee and the committee votes one way but you don't agree with it as a member of that evaluations or other you know communication channels i don't we don't have a presentation like this necessarily i have recently manager and he's also trying to set mediator and so he has a nice way of delivering information and probably has more of that hands on tech stuff too so i'm actually working with him it out so i mean this is trial and error you know it's probably you know going to have to be a lot of communication in the beginning like make your out what works and and not be and just expect that over time we're going to have to retool and ok well we learned this doesn't work as well as we'd hoped so we try something else we have articles we are slicker handbook we don't have any specific materials about time managers i mean this is about a specific as it gets the presentation to hire managers and i didn't bring any of that stuff here today but i can get it to you we have a proposal that we present about steps that we can help with and mainly it's sort of doing back our back office kind of work  relationships with other municipal seasons in new england where we can place things on their sites for free and you know some experience so you know that's something we can also help  terms of a timeline i mean i think you should plan i mean the quickest plan i've been involved in this three months it's really quick you know you might want to plan anywhere from three to six months depending on where you're  to get going and some towns that also finish will cut if we get you know fifty resumes will appoint a selection committee that may be composed to look for members simply citizens to have that first review just not quite ready to do that yet we're not quite sure that the time is right for it so jeff gordon i talked about it and we thought that you know the best course of action would be to ask the select forward to place this on his yeah the if anybody is curious about the plan i have here that the curb cut exists today it was improved as part of the road improvements on jericho road as were the utilities that serve the lot the plan just just come off the road with it with the extended driveway that will last a flat in that down to a reasonable grade of ten percent which is flatter than exists today by a substantial amount it'll just car into the embankment up against the highway a little bit to to drop that down to get to a paved parking area that will have four parking spaces the parking your itself as a cross local five percent which is reasonably flat is appropriate for  parking and then a two unit building which is essentially the same number of bedrooms it was previously approved for a four bedroom on as would be two bedrooms hand the size and shape of it is more or less as was originally improved nowhere near the limits in terms of setbacks or coverage it's a fairly modest proposal but my wife brother and i have many many friends on how to parent to have divorced families or stuff people who want to be in richmond who need decent housing stock and you may or may not be aware of or patani that the available rental stock in richmond is not great and there's not a lot of it so we  and should be a positive addition to the community so any question i can think is that then i didn't go through and look at the regulations but why does the that access  that will will will share my either side of it with with additional pavement where they're paving the driveway we've designed the drainage so that it is actually directed to the core of the parking lot where we'll we'll have a kick out  the curve that will direct how fall into the existing drainage way that runs along a road as opposed to having to run out the driveway across the road which i think was a concern of the public works people and play center our plan is to have it all paved which will solve the other problem of dirt every start running out of the road as is happening right now oh i lot of what the work i do in my private practice of all so environmentally friendly wasn't it didn't pencil out as a single family home lot and honestly i don't think as it's back up to the highway that it's necessarily desirable was up to single family home location but we think  so the powers needs to bury the electrical wires to give the clearance the states asked us to give a sign off on the a project that was completed a few weeks ago we had a inspection last friday we didn't notice any obvious flaws it doesn't have anything to do with the really condition of the bridge but just the condition of the paint project which it's only a few weeks old looks to be holding up pretty well for the time so there's just more knowledge that that part offered the town a matching grant them up to five hundred dollars to have a structural engineer doing assessments and again a mover i thought that was important because both firms of worked with we're having on the twenty first we're going to have a special public hearing on these are the regulations on the twenty seventh we're going to have a meeting on the buyout application for the hazard mitigation grant on the fourth of september we're going to have a select board meeting it's not going to be on the third and we're likely to have a second public hearing on this already regulations in the fifth or the streets on their paving plan down there was an accident sunday morning yesterday morning by car and road that a lot of people either saw or heard about there were some injuries it was evidently a dui of three people in the car one of those occupants was injured and fled the scene the police were trying to apprehend them in the fire company the rescue squad were design because it's going to be a little tricky with matching it up to the corner or the corner markets sidewalk is here with trying to get it to  we're not doing it in the middle of a meeting and that goes it rotates so the same people are not doing it all the time and it's those those two people's responsibility to come in ahead of time to review the warnings and then report to the select or i don't know if that's something like ford is interested in doing we just did it this past meeting for the water and sewer commission so i can't say we have a history of success but you know i mean this these can take a i mean i came in twenty minutes early to try to do it and got wrapped up in they are two guys here and and i know you came in a little early because i'm sure you probably when i was doing but that's that stamp is pretty pretty b great but it's nice to get down to two missions i mean you can look at that and have a sense of what questions you want to add right yeah before you are looking at the actual invoice so it's good for everyone to take a look forty cents and these are both matching existing state contract so the only one that i noticed on that was there was a cosco one in the very front that's not listed in the warrants list couldn't find it fifty five or something like that i had sort of made says returned items customer three zero one two but the other one has no memory so it's a credit which when i show up unless it's in writing jim is trying to i have no right to keep track of every credits  again like like last week with the with the water and sewer like well they're both the same number that's unusual that they're both debited the same or credited the same number and for the same memo and etc etc i mean it be great if you can get more money you do you know you should sort of discrepancies and get the bills like a paid on time if it may be nice to have the department heads report to the select board on a regular basis and it could be a revolving basis you know provide feedback he can tell us why this one charge is the way it is i mean i just i think it's not reasonable to expect the department heads on a revolving basis and not saying every meeting but once a month or you know  i hear what you're saying i would not recommend once a month i actually have my staff report q the board once a year just so the they know who the board is the board knows who they are but it would be cumbersome for me to bring my staff in to a board meeting every time or even you know where we need four times a year i think that for us they have to sort of build a relationship and say this is who we are it's a good idea but if we can say it once a month because i think that could get do your day i mean we can look at it and we can see what he's doing but well you know something we talked about in a previous meeting yeah i mean it seems like it's in france and stuff really needs to go back to the departments will