doors that you came in or through these doors and we should meet in the south parking lot which is just behind us and we should all make sure to sign the sign up sheet which is a rush to ensure that people who are here are safely outside and it's also as a record the sign up sheet is a record of your being here is still going to fade if a one of these proof of applications is continued then you have a right to participate in it if you weren't here for the start of it you don't get to participate in the future so that's why it's a good thing to sign a sign up sheet addition second item agenda is the distance deletions or changes in the order of agenda items do we have any  many individual projects that would have reduced the flows to the streams during the the one you're storing them which is like two inches of rain for context on sunday we got about a half inch of rain so including you know the to untrain follow that if you reduce that or if it's down to a smaller size then if you restrict the water from flowing out during the lower rainfall events and then the water starts filling up the pond it provides the tension tha second from the whole watershed in the stream that causes aeration and there's so much of phosphorous the sediment in the stream banks that gets you know eroded out and pushed into the lake so the goal is to reduce that peak of and spread it out over severe storm events are being held so is this is this development there's a homeowner's association is that right is that the homeowners socialists association under a legal mind mandate to make this correction as far as you're concerned so right now you know we've identified like as matching a bunch of projects in our full restoration plans and you know we had a schedule that we set out we have to complete city and a percent owned by the homeowners association so even if they were to go and do the project on their own they're only responsible for the impervious portion that they own and the city's responsible for their i mean portion and so we are going to  percent of the pond that their funding the other three pounds are being funded fifty percent so the total grant money we receive is in between two hundred three thousand dollars mike are you done with your money what money question so so my question is what is a little simpler this is a one year event the you're talking about it's a two inch event that might be likely to occur annually c target design style so i have been my own and manage a lot of property and we've had many one hundred year events that occur every two or three years and some of our properties where where the design flow was exactly what you're talking about they say they downsize the pipe to make sure that there wasn't flow through on that one year event but they downsized it so much that the pond in the circumstance that john and you just described you have the overflow you're not getting the filtration but it's a person that's right you're getting to you during the hundred year storm and then that's not really going to work you know you've got a lot of water at that point you know there's this concept and that's the priority and filtration takes a back seat well you have this concept of the first flush where the majority of the pollutants are in that first bit of water so once you centrally clean the streets with that first two inches of water anything subs it's a good point i had never thought of that my name is greg i'm done i live before i speak let me give you some pictures so my name is craig on a little twenty seven pinnacle drive south burning ton and that place is on just off of speer street about a half mile south of where it as you drive down spirit street south you encounter my house which is the first property in the development above and as you're driving by if you look to the left you will see just big huge weeping willow trees there total of about eight of them i've been told by association people that our property in particular is important in terms of the value of the whole development for this reason it's the first thing that people see when they drive into pinnacle drive is our property because if you turn left and would go into pinnacle drive internal left on the pinnacle drive there's two pinnacle drives you're basically doing a half circle ro positive my concern was with these weeping willow trees which are mature trees and they surround the south and the west end of the pond and one of the trees is slated for demolition because it is in the way of something then that's fine it's the tree on the easternmost and on the southeast corner trees half dead anyhow so that's not a problem there are four more there that are important and they're not slated for demolition i put what i took my concern was those trees i didn't want to become a fly in the ointment so i didn't i talked to the district commission coordinator then she said i could get party status and call for hearing but i said i really don't want to do that i said i would rather work with the people who were doing the project to figure out if we could satisfy my concerns  to make it short they have satisfied my concerns i thank dave we're here i talk to him then within a day's time he had some wording and in the documentation cautioning the subcontractors who did the work we'll do the work to be as protective of those trees as they possibly can and that's the bottom line so i want to compliment dave for that assistance you'll probably see something coming if you look at documentation again on this you'll probably see something coming from the architects the civil engineers on this also because i talk to them all so they need to put something in writing great thank you very much thank you dave how are you  that's called out to be removed and then on the l it side will be trenching through to replace the l a pipe as well there's a couple wills an area will kind of have to assess as we go during construction but you know the goal is to  minimize the trench with so your assumption is you will lose no more than this one will oh that's the hope you know when you know fence i've done a bunch of these projects when you do what will be the tank type thing and the drain from that tank leans right up between two big mature trees now from looking at the maps of two thousand and four versus two thousand and eighteen you can see with the two thousand and four those trees were those trees could be removed now the city could budget the money to do that but i don't see the city of that because we don't know what's going to kill them maybe in five years they'll be dead maybe they won't be dead so it's just wait and see how this are actually talking about a different issue altogether when you remove a cherry tree say a thirty six inch tree you must replace it with the same amount of caliper and in this in the city this is one of my pet peeves and yet i've had to do it several times and saw thirty six inch trees if you replace it with two which cover trees requires eighteen trees it's not significant it's hard to do i want to make sure that this year we were understands that if heat kills off a thirty six inch tree or perhaps too because of because of of imposing on those roads he may be replacing the eighteen to thirty six more trees so there's a there's a significant issue take an existing kiosk and painted white and den to the allowable colors so that we could put our sign on and the neighboring come to bring business behind us with their sign on turns out half of that request is in the cheated because they're not even allowed to put their sign on that kiosk once apparently the back building was sold and because of the way it was subdivided they no longer have access to that so that portion of the of the request was really matter because you can't put a sign there in a store you only have to read white at this point we are after red and white which is currently all our fault and we are also after painting the kiosk white right now the kiosk is painted black  and the only other issue that's come up since then is we were under the assumption falsely i have come to learn that we were allowed to also put red and white signs on the building above the doors of the building itself has a cut out for a sign and had a sign previously it has a lighting for the sign and everything but apparently that was not allowed and the previous owners had it there even though it wasn't allowed in the current master signed permit so we have signs that do comply with the color limitation but we have learned from ray that we have to also ask to have ok questions are coming from the board i have none know and then we can go ahead and process your permit for the actual sign so this is to amend your master signage permit which gives you permission for the parameters of your signs then you need to get a signed permit for your better service here  for units twenty eight twenty nine and fifty eight fifty nine and sixty two and sixty three and then and as marlon mentioned we so called footprint lots are being laid out as a lot for sales that correct correct and what's the proximity either of you could end of the buildings to the closest boundary of the footprint lot i use the word boundary in the common sense says it would be ten feet and that was between fifty eight fifty  nine sixty and sixty one and now you're talking about between you not talking about between the units so between sixty two and sixty three and properly done dreamy it would be a shared wall it's a duplex unit each of the homes to have a driveway off from each streatch they didn't have both on one street and not on the other so it's similar to the difference i don't really have a plan showing what it was originally we didn't like these better have you seen the stuff coming yes the draft decision yes steve very question my memory so if my memory serves there was there was times of day that you're allowed to operate is that i that literally just as the t v camera was setting up in the front parking lot there the rec department decided that was their moment to take their spring photo so they walked out of the set of chairs and set themselves up the opposite bleachers section and  round of amendments to the land development regulations that the city council passed last month and took effect about a week and a half ago or so seals i don't know if you've seen any applications from one of these yet but you will  be in the pretty near future so i just want to give you a little tour i'm going to take them a little bit out of order from what's in this memo to sort of speak most relevant to you so that we maximize your time so the first one i want to chat about lowe's kmart the other side of the street that that whole area as well as a section two sections on willesden road one sort of right around where the wood fired pizza places over two words that came to kennedy drive so that's the c one hundred twelve district and technically also the property literally immediately behind the now doubletree hotel that it belongs t v and where their a number of applications that have come in who've often sought height waivers in the board has reviewed these on multiple occasions the new regulations replace the thirty five and forty foot maximum height standard that then had the waiver opportunity with a five story standard with without waivers on top of that there are in addition to that adjustments for proximity to neighborhoods that are in the are for districts so the orchards neighborhood the east woods neighborhood where it says that the building in the commercial district the c one hundred fifteen c one r twelve district cannot be more than one storey taller than the shortest adjacent building and that increases by seven by one story seventy seventy five feet of horizontal separation so as to be cognizant of largely single family homes nearby  so that's one change that's taken place it's something that certainly we've gotten a lot of feedback from the development community at times the board certainly planning commission a sort of related change that actually apply citywide  s on the subject of rooftop equipment so for years there's been this question of if there's an h back unit on the roof of a building does that count as part of the building's height or not it has counters the h the board is off and said well it's only you know eight square feet so we're we're not going to count that we're going to give the height waiver so to simplify all that the new standard is that most rooftop equipment is just not considered part of a building height there are a few exceptions to that where it's really an actual architectural feature like a spire would be a still height but the normal things like an elevator shaft or  track equipment or satellite dish those kinds of things do not count as height of your building in districts where heights are relevant very large and a large antenna would be counted as height would be counted as height but a little personal satellite dish would not so i've just recently put in a new cooling but to me that that's a that would be a listen in south burlington the majority of our buildings are no higher than five five stories which means they're pissed in the oriented and so the shaft is really to get rid of the air more than anything else they tend to be fairly small if they actually ha the board can look at the definitions as applications come up in a few deem that something there's minor and then there's non minor and so you'll exactly i mean the standard for a stand a rooftop units that's about four feet off the ground it's not a really big so there it gives them a little bit of room for interpretation to you but the intent is to say the small things that people can't see shouldn't be counted as they define other definitions from the heart of their definitions and there examples it'll it says things like such as and i don't know if you want to pull that up marla but for whatever reason my version is not coming up i certainly can provide them to anybody who'd like i don't have them on me but i can get them to you even either paper or digital format we've got a full red line version of exactly what's changed and be helpful when we we've got it i guess we can print it right project from the roof or other rooftop paradis apparatus such as fires towers water tanks radio t v antenna c section three point seven so that may not fully address your question john you know that actually i mean i guess i would suggest that you hear we might send back at them there are two dramatically different styles to steps to solar there's the fixed mount that tends to sit maybe three to four feet off that just like you know mine are three to four feet off the off the roof and sometimes they're flatter than that and then dave blitter stuart has these moving units if you mounted one of those on your roof it would stand fourteen fifteen feet high and sit there  battery powered to the building then they certainly would be under armor and they're usually battery poor whether they're power they're they're powered by they're solar powered right i guess what i'm suggesting is there should simplify but there are times you're right that will be you know you just you just don't want somebody nudging me and trying to put a fourteen foot tower on top of the roof and  there was a fifty foot high story there is a definition in that thirty five seven thirty five before though you know developers don't tend to make a story higher than they need to because it costs a lot of money but it's manzano why we have regula overlay district the intent here is to provide a little more flexibility in terms of setbacks for the development community and also put in some very basic building form standards so the the set back along the road and along the sections will list and road is reduced from fifty feet down to twenty feet which has been something that you've seen a lot of requests for and virtually all applications that that is coupled with the heights thing that i just talked about on the form side there's a few basic elements that are now put into place  that's less than the standards in the form base code district and appeared to be pretty achievable so for example the harbor freight building that you approve last year meets that forty percent standard is not it it's setting a basic number so that you don't get a blank wall on that count as transparent whether they're transparent or the you know there needs to be a prominent doorway facing towards the street with a direct sidewalk to the street doesn't need to be the only entrance it can be a kitty corner door if folks would like but it does need to have at least an element of the facing the street the inn and so those are the basic elements of it in addition at certain key intersections there what's being called primary nodes and secondary notes at certain key intersections all along those two corridors at the intersections them selves as somebody chooses to build a new building there then there's a slightly higher standard  the window percentage goes up to sixty percent on the main street and forty percent on the side street there must be a prominent corner architectural feature in it give some examples of what that could be  and depending on whether it's a primary corner which is really the main ones or a secondary corner there must either be a minimum of a two story building or the minimum the size of an appearance of a two story building so on the secondary ones it has to have  the the look in the size of two stories on the primary ones of which there are a handful there must be an actual two story building which for the most part certainly on the residential side we're seeing well more than that anyway but a new england federal credit union on the trend can't come up with a quarter but it's right by the bagel stork that would be a good example of a false two story building it if it's it almost qualifies as an actual two story building and there is a second story element of it oh there it is relatively small there it needs to be at least seventy five percent of the footprint in order to count it something like fifty percent of the footprint it's just not a public area so me be clear i kind of like the buildings in commercial areas closer to the street and big setbacks don't seem to me to have a point except for those one thing we're talking you know with our two main arteries what consideration has been given to the possible need for yet additional traffic lines i mean you know we're joking has this gone into the reasoning or the thinking about the planning commission did look at exists in addition to that that's part of why the commission want to make sure there's at least this twenty foot in the off chance that there's an additional need to gain a few feet which will be reduced to twenty at the same time if it's a little bit of a catch twenty two in that buildings that are so to speak auto oriented area a little bit closer like where the lighting shop is like  where the new in with federal credit union which isn't quite twenty five but it's probably thirty five that they create a little bit more of a pedestrian friendly environment which reduces the need for the road to get widened in a future time of ways as as far as you think they are needed and done a whole study related to it correct that's correct whether we agree with it or not and so they've they've they've done some long term studies on traffic which include live below the to handle everything we theoretically have and what we're we're not stepping on that footage right right now you know i've seen the studies and don't necessarily agree with them but they've done th studies excuse me third amendment but i want to speak about quickly that the nass the last two you're likely not to see too much in this but i want to give you just to its context one is a relatively small unrelated to the  lly favorite subject of bicycle parking if you very much this one is a it's a tweak to the regulations to allow preexisting racks to count for the spaces that they create wherever a bicycle can attach to the frame so the feedback that we got was that there are some racks that while they may not meet the design are still perfectly serviceable so there are some adjustments that will you reimburse me for the would seem to be something fairly simple but believe it or not what the industry makes and what the the sort of national guidance on them are not the same thing so we went with what the industry actually makes so that when you buy a rock and you think you've bought the right thing that it actually is sufficient previously had been pointing to waters sort of the national guidance which for whatever reason isn't what it's sort of like hot dogs and hot dog buns so anyway the last one i want to  completely and then somebody just you know takes a hammer to it steals it like got it i mean you know because one of those things that if somebody did it you know with a four by four it would be perfectly fine but well if it was well maintained you wouldn't you  would have just as much trouble getting getting through a metal rack as you would w last thing the after a substantial amount of work starting with the affordable housing committee and then on to the planning commission the city council the city has adopted new standards on the subject of housing preservation so  where where political and i'll give a couple of districts that are exempted from it the rule is that if a housing unit is removed then the housing new unit needs to be replaced  if if a housing it is rebuilt on the same property within two years of the removal of the house then that's for housing and that's perfectly fine if the owner for whatever reason is choosing not to rebuild on the same property a dwelling unit then they have two options one is to rebuild on a separate site somewhere in the city in which case this dwelling unit must be affordable for a period of at least twenty years or they can make a contribution into the city's affordable housing trust fund equal to twenty five percent of the assessed valuation of the premises which is land and the building of the unit on the premises or the whole premises of the assuming let's assume it's a single family home for sake of discussion if you if somebody chooses to remove a single family home in its entirely its entirety and they choose the payment option it's twenty five percent of the assessed value of the building and the property so for say in the orchard or chamberlain neighborhood that might be somewhere in the neighborhood of sixty to seventy thousand if that is if the dwelling in it does not remain then these are the options there are some exemptions to this converting a duplex to a single family home is an exemption there is an exemption for the thirty something homes in the current round of the airport by a program that has been sort of all over the known world for the last year and a half units that are deemed completely unfit for  zoning districts including the districts that really don't allow for housing today like the mixed industrial commercial district the in industrial open space strict sense of the industrial open space district as well as a couple of districts where the city has been saying that uses are not prominent such as the form base coat district and this with street district as well so not a not a not fit also i didn't go through every single exemption if there is a house that burns and it's a act beyond the owner's control then that would also be exempt if that person decides to take a giant jug of kerosene that's not the same story sure well they're going to go to jail for that matter and just leaving the house to not be in good shape does not qualify as being unfit for habitation that's what i was worried about we w pretty closely to make sure that it's it's the rare circumstance where it's something that is really sort of preexisting like this happens to be a city was a city on one but by the wheeler house was a house that was basically fall if there was another circumstance like that it was in good shape when the city took it over i think the city should be paying sixty thousand bucks towards that so that's that  fairly closely that act essentially active neglect does not does not give you the pass it has to be in a circumstance where for whatever reason beyond owners control equivalent to that twenty five percent amount if they are planning to rebuild on the same property then if they choose not to do so that would be a zoning violation enforceable under our regulations three things are mental court  demolition of the dwelling unit ok so if something's sitting up there rotting i can picture one at the top of dorset street at the moment until somebody is actually asking for the demolition the trigger doesn't start correct this is not the same thing as a a a the council last year had a discussion about sort of a derelict properties ordinance that brought this this is at the active but  trigger why don't i look into that more specifically and give you a i only ask because there are some of those yes you know that that is the intent however i would like to be able to give you a more precise answer than that in that question without asking a specific question you've got to you've got to you've got a fairly derelict housing that is not technically affordable but is is being rented to low and moderate income people that situation in that circumstance as long as the number of bedrooms remains the same this is not that the then that would be fine there's not a statement that so that when you're tearing down a little a affordable and replacing it with an affordable if you don't have an issue it's when it is actually affordable housing correct however if you choose to tear down whatever dwelling in a little a affordable or or capital or or well know little a affordable or not affordable at all and you choose to rebuild on a different property then there is an affordability standard i see ok i got it the affordable housing committee's it's only when you're transferring the interest to twenty others before the housing committees primary goal with this was to a retain housing and if not then to see housing rebuilt so that's what they decided to go for even if it even if what's replaced with the little a affordable is big time not affordable ok when we get it everyone had a chance to read the minutes and does anyone have any comments on the letter that accompanied yes this up to you guys if you want to give it up i have already corrected the spelling of her name but i think everyone would be in favor of that up to the board whether they would like to add those people who did not sign in because we can't confirm they were present and then it's up to the board whether they want to change the reference from the pines as a care facility to independent living  apartments for people fifty five and older so so i don't think we can unless corrected i don't think we can have the people whom someone else says right here exactly  and if the information we were provided said care facility i think we have to stick with it but if if it was if it was a comment that it was a comment from