rendered meaningless or support for this correct correct and another chris oh would be to look at the provisions to see which is the more general and which is the more specific is that also credit also so if we start with the first one and look at whether these provisions are if they're read together whether any of them are rendered surplus superfluous are meaningless day here wouldn't it be the functional equivalent of reading the words not and not otherwise eligible revoking somebodies ability to have a for your car in this specific instance because of the set of circumstances involved it would take it out of our position as it would take it out of scene one because of the fact the domestic violence act it is the obligation of the person that had the foreign car to notify them correct so it is not a hint to somebody who had the driver's license then did say is res change but isn't the language and see one more specific regarding the revocation and other words in b it says when a person does not possess a currently valid for a card seat tells us it's not valid because it was revoked under section eight that's more specific isn't it so then we'd need to look to see who won and being the applicable provision and i would that talks about the revocation of a forty card for in order protection that is eight point two and eight point two i believe that just mirrors the language of this is section two fourteen b fourteen point with the illinois domestic violence act that is specifically regarding orders protection and in this case it says that there is a responding is prohibited that has an order of protection prevented from possessing any firearms during the duration of the order and it goes on to say that any firearm owners identification card in the possession of responded except as provided in subsection b of that act which deals with peace officers does that help us in deciding which of these stanchions applies to guard that i do i would just say that that helps because of the specific fact pattern in this case makes even though there's been a reputation it falls under argue that under the facts of this case if section c section c is to be applied it would result in a very unfair and unjust result but again if we were to do that we already have that in fourteen c three so i don't know how we get around it but i know you've articulated how you think we should  provisions that we must reach for to be see you conjunction but so you're saying during this review period that a person by should know by reading the statute that they even if they've applied for review and for reinstatement that they cannot have a weapon in their possession is that right until they actually get something in writing saying your eligible i mean is there some data that is issued that says the person is eligible and then the card gets re issued now there are two stages i didn't focus actually until sections which is the procedure letter was received by the defendant if you sometime around november eighth two thousand and ten explaining to them what the requirements were to have this for you to review and possibly reinstated so so yes there is a there is something generated by the state police and was testimony again from officer number regarding what the  where did they then see you're eligible i mean your your point is that he wasn't eligible until they tell him he's eligible why did they tell him he's when did they use the word eligible i suppose i've another section you're saying yes using the word eligible common meaning would be what that he can do something can financial responsibility or moving violations you know automatically you know there's more you know in many cases i don't automatically have a driver's license once you pay your financial responsibility once you pay your tickets thing the statute previously cited from the domestic violence act the language in there the firearm or firearms and firearms owner identification card if expired which this certainly was not expired shell that the shell at the end of the order of protection be returned to respond that does not appear to me that if the order of protection is expired and they will do a background search to make sure that it's expired and make sure that there are no charges that have come that the forty card is reinstated in fact in this case i picked up the telephone i called them to find out what the status of his fourt situations gives much discretion to the state police is far is determining whether or not for her will be reinstated i think that they have to assure the fact that all the other background information is in comports with what is require