good evening going to call the foxboro school committee meeting to order being about seven o eight and then on monday december sixteenth the gender for tonight is as follows seven o'clock visitors seven ten people of minutes seven fifteen teacher and learning highlights if they chess were language five sixty seven twenty five pm preliminary discussion of a proposed f y fifteen budget eight o'clock f y fourteen budget update eight ten enrichment challenge opportunities a twenty acceptance of stop and shop in a grant a twenty five other matters and one of those identified other matters will be the town of fox to receive a no review committee summary of litigation analyses report and will cover any other other matters in that category and so it's those who want to bring them up so that's our agenda we're going to start with the visitor we have any visitors that wish to be heard this evening ok seeing none will go on to approval of minutes we have the december second regular meeting school committe as you know often when we go places whether it's graduation or concerts or sometimes other schools sometimes public events you'll see our american sign language students from fox well high school signing at these events and you know we see them everywhere but we've never really had them come in and talk to us about what does it mean to take this as a world language and what opportunities are available to them and what are they like about it and why do we include it in the high school so in your packet usually we don't have information that happened about a teaching learning how i but we got some great information from our teachers who are missed cameron and justin mcallister the fair so they put together some things that some things i knew about some of things i didn't even know about that they do so we thought we'd put it in the packet for you to be able to read ahead of time and here they are so our teachers already mentioned in our students our alexandra how he we callahan julie broccoli allison and alexand students tell you a little bit about what they're doing in the program these are a s l two students are innocent three students and our independent study students and they can tell you a little bit about what they do in class and how we take to the classroom learning outside into the community some of the projects that they're doing and the community  the spring we're hoping to be returning back to jhalak to sign up the revolution soccer games we also want to time last year as well so i'm hoping to return again and graduation yeah graduation as well another thing we do and here they pass is the research done artist and this is a painting by and still very and we kind of just recreated it and those are clay cans that we also made representing design for america and some see that two part field trip where the first part of it is for us to see if we could buy some things going to the stores and try to get people to understand what your doing figure out ways to be able to communicate with them and the other part is to understand  seeing how the people are treated us like how they treat other just people in the day so it was a great experience to see what it's like to be able to hear what they're saying in their opinion the spot if we asked you what some of your observations were from that experience that sounds really cool everyone can have their different experiences i noticed that some places i went like for lunch some people really trying to said with some of the comments and like just trying to understand and how anybody else who is trapped like what they have to go through every day it was it was kind of sad but it was a fun experience to those kids and my boss actually used to work at a school and we had a birthday party recently where there's fifty deaf people and she actually asked me to go and be an my freshman year and that it gives me the opportunity to be a part of the class again ball so to help other students who are maybe struggling in a different year comments like when i have a study or even when i have program along with a parent and we're helping them communicate with the deaf child that he has down syndrome and it was really kind of just gave me a great feeling to know that i can work with adults along with helping them communicate with  children so i'm kind of looking forward to going back there and again that's why i'll miss cameron would you share with us how a lesson has been created for you out of the most recent communication we have a copy of it alex actually made a copy for us and she has loaded a little bit on a moto for us we're going to take the students through the lesson with him signing it and break it down as to how you know person is or is not signing for real this is what they need to be looking for for example the facial expression and the body language and not necessarily all the signs but everything else that goes into sign language so we have a videotape of that and we will create a lesson and out of that and thanks to alex for finding that a guys make a comment we always like having students come and tell us what you're learning and share the summer experiences and we know not everyone gets to participate in the same activities at school so it's always instinct was to hear some of the different activities and i think we all feel very proud of you guys  me interested in how you don't have to virtually speak to talk to someone and i think it's really cool to just use your hands and i would like to facials and stuff that's like our adjectives like we don't have access to some time language your body movement like can tell whether you're one person or another person they're having a conversation so it's just really interesting that where one of the very few high schools even have this opportunity and so that's what school but it's so it's great to hear what you have to say and it's more intense of a program than actually i was aware of so i think it's fabulous you know skipping ahead we're going to talk about enrichment and challenge later in this meeting but hearing their comments on their visits to the tailor and the girl the i go i wonder if there's an opportunity there to involve our high school students in our younger elementary school students in sort of a shorter term enrichment program there's something to think about for the future because it sounds like they enjoyed it and that the younger students are very interested in perhaps learning a little bit of sign language themselves maybe we can think about that later but thank you for coming in it's really great  but i think this is really important because you don't realize how this program extends out into the community the way it does i didn't know about some of these things and you know that the participation in some of the sporting be great to have this thing bridge as part of maybe the middle school when we do really start to learn our other languages because if i had the opportunity i would definitely take it earlier on the more experience because i also plan on doing  for the committee to look at some different areas that you might like us to come back with more information about and we will continue the budget discussion on january sixth and then if need be some indication we schedul meeting in january so that you are fully prepared to go to the budget at the end very much i believe is monday the twenty seventh of this year so this is the opportunity to ask whatever it is like us going back or with we already have one area we know we'd like to come back with more  specific information about it for you to consider and that's one of our staffing additions we'll get to in a minute but this is a i think a good round to see it before we forget we would like to think our budget can remember smits gardner steve newton bill and i met with them individually march like well on a very rare occasion if the revenue picture looks different in town they may need to meet later in reconsider but that's rare so usually when the i to do tonight a few things you have three pieces in your packet of preliminary power point so we're going to go over kind of the broad spectrum of of how we approach the budget and then do that section then bill's going to present some of the very specific staffing shifts so everybody has everything at this point in front of them and then you have the budget detail that's really for the committee to if this is a specific area you'd like us to invest but we don't present all of that because we've been here t the five fifteen preliminary budget on behalf of the school committee we're waiting to be welcomed on the powerpoint so while we're doing that i'll just go over the timeline bill and i began meeting in october  with joint for joint town and school administrators leadership meetings and that's with the acting tell me unit or in the town finance director to frame the budget process to find out what their thoughts were early on about the  how the budget looks and what they need to support the revenue forecast would be in november if you recall there was a joint meeting with the school committee and the board of selectmen to review the revenue forecast in a formal venue in december all of the on the summer thirteenth all of the school budget request a preliminary request was due to the town finance director that was just last week and then this week is the pub presentation tonight of our preliminary budget for discussion that tonight's meeting on january twenty seventh the school committee will conduct their public review and vote on the recommended school budget on february twelfth the school committee will meet with the advisory committee to review their school budget presentation and request and in may the in tell meaning is when all the budgets are approved so that's our timeline in between bill and i will also be reaching out to our town finance sorry our ad com representatives to see if they would like to come in for a smaller meeting to go over this after tonight so we start with he welcomed into the entire internet access and get into that so we are so before we get to the first slide that bill's going to get you which is a budget message i think it's important to know something that is in here in implication but we really as a ministry of team work very hard to conscientiously plan how to improve the quality of our programs and services we're always striving to connect with each other and with our teachers about what can we do to make things better and for a more efficient or more cost efficient or deliver a better quality of program to our students so we conscientiously plan for those things and talk about them actively that are twice a month administrative meetings and it does all culminate in the budget requests that come to us at this time of year some of the things i do want to note that we are improving our quality of programs and services you won't see in the budget so let me give you an example of what that is before we get to the form so we've talked a lot about science technology engineering and math which we call stem subjects and the stem growth plan which you know is part of my personal superintend goals and we when you see on january sixth at the same time that you continue a discussion of high school folks will be here for the program of studies and you'll see a high school engineering i'm going to call it reengineering course because we have a reform we've reengineered the engineering program and you will see that in the program of studies but you won't see it in this budget because if there are improvements that we can make that are cost neutral which is to have that teacher who used to teach a different course move over and teach the engineering course which is our plan then you won't see it in the budget so we do look for cost neutral solutions first and cost neutral efficiencies first you won't also see that we plan to add two sections of financial literacy which is an elective in the business department that we think we're able to reallocate a staff member teaching another course to teach the two sections of financial literacy which is a half year elective that students can take because there's a lot of interest in that right now what happens with those as we kept them at the number of students so we'd like to open that up to more so we will be making improvements to our stem opportunities but you wouldn't necessarily see it highlighted here another thing that you won't see highlighted in here is that we've had ongoing discussions that will continue through the next two to three months about our elementary special education programs and services just as we do often although i would say we're doing it with a little more focus this time we're reviewing how we deliver special education programs and services at the elementary level has a population shifted what do what do students what are students needs and how do we build the programs around that but all of that is also going to be cost neutral so at some point we make when the special education minister is here later in the spring updates for special education we'll present it there but what if we do decide to shift things around or approach something a little bit differently it's cost neutral so you wouldn't see that in the budget so i think that's a good point to make is that we do try to look first to cost neutral or budget neutral plans and ways to improve our program services ok so here's our f y fifteen budget message some key points we want to maintain the same high level of educational services to students and improve them while working within the municipal funding and the town budget framework and every year we highlight how important that is and that really does work well for us and i think we can say it often enough that we have a very good relationship with the town finance folks and to meet with them in an ongoing way and really find out what's happening we have great discussions that that really does work very well that we we know it's our obligation to work within their framework and the ongoing communication really helps us do that so we want to thank our town side partners and it's this so our budget is also consistent with the historical approach of the town and the commitment to education that the town is always demonstrated as always when bill gets to the very detailed list of the ins and outs and staff shifting is you will see that we have added for discussion purposes another wellness position to the high school so while this includes health and physical education but this would be really for physical education well maintain our health classes freshman and sophomore years there is a state requirement that students have four years of physical education we currently require two so at some point the state does expect us to make progress toward meeting that guideline so we have in there an additional wellness teacher so that sophomores moving forward would have a half year of wellness as well you'll see that in here so while this budget does address several of our challenges it would never address all of them but we were i think we've done a good job prioritizing so when we come back in january we typically bring you new information or expanded information that you requested tonight about certain areas of the budget and we also bring what we call our wish list for lack of you know other things which you'll see definitely hinted at in here but we definitely come back with a purposeful discussion for you as to other things we're interested in to see what the will of the committee would be so next slide what's new in the school budget as you can see in the second one down through the want to move down at all the second bullet is what i was just discussing the first bullet we've had on our wish list for the last couple of years an ongoing discussion about the assistant principal the situation of the middle school is you know we have to assistant principals the high school we have one point six at the middle school and given the size of the population at the middle school and the fact that there are needs of middle school students there that in order to we feel structure the middle school the way it should be structure that we  principals so there are ongoing needs of students that occur after the first six tenth's of the day they were also increasing demands in the educator evaluation system which as you know we implemented fully last year and to not have a full second full time assistant principal that definitely shifts the load elsewhere and there's a lot of demand there so that's why miss abrams is here if you have questions for her tight about that feel free to ask she will be available to answer your questions to ask the other thing you see is that we have an additional custodian for the her middle school bill can speak to when he gets there later to his point in the power point but it's pretty simple the size of the two schools is very similar to high school has five middle school has four and there are things that they can't get to with only limited time in the classroom so we believe in maintaining our facilities and it's time that's another thing that the expense adjustments to other accounts for service contracts like cost maintenance cost that we have kept those we've we stop this the idea of just adding a certain percentage knowing that there is costs go up and we have what we call it targeted the spends adjustments so if we have expenses in a certain area that we know we're going up like service contracts like subscriptions to would an online solution then we'll have accounted for that if there are other areas that we feel that we can hold at the current level textbook adoption for example then we will we do have increased costs for professional development and two things that like to highway advanced placement training does cost and it's absolutely critical as we expand to make sure that we have teachers that are trained in providing a p course work so we want to acknowledge that in the high school professional development line you'll see a little bit later on has increased so that's a pretty easy one to explain we've got the middle school has five thousand dollars a year for the professional development of the principal two assistant principals and all the teachers in the building the it doesn't seem like much of that high school has exactly the same amount but there have to account for the principal the two assistant principals all the department heads in the teachers if they want to go to the targeted workshop for them it's never it's never been enough and so every single year for probably eternity we have to shift money from either the district wide professional development line which is not  either to the high school so in bill's approach which is to be transparent about where the money's being spent spent in the budget that we have to really up that to nine thousand dollars are too many adults in key leadership positions as well as the teachers to say that we could possibly account for that with five thousand dollars you'll see when bill gets to the specifics about the special education staffing that we have lots of ins and outs as we call it with special education staffing w shifts according to the needs of the students and often mid year and you'll see that there are a lot of swaps that we may need to position here we need an educational system for a student there but the net result is one point six and that pretty much when you're not talking about swapping is that we we increase the elementary facilitator from point five to a full time position so that's point five of that we had at a full time educational assistant for a one to one situation with the students now we're up to one point five and then the speech and language pathologist used to be point nine and she retired and that's a very old way it has to do with her retirement you never it was it was a detriment to her to go to full time because she'd been a point for so many years but when you go to replace that it doesn't make sense to keep point nine fifty yes around so we advertise for full time so that's the additional point one minor adjustments for other things that you see there which  as always there are things that this budget will not meet and some of those things just to highlight a few and we'll get to this more in january with our wish list is we are going to need additional computers to address the national park exams that are coming in we talk about this all the time we really wonder how any school district is going to meet the requirements of the park we probably are in better shape than many if not most and we still feel like we're going to be very challenged by it but that could be discussed under capital improvement i'll skip because i'm going to read everything that's on here but we've talked to a last couple of years at this table about a third elementary math specialist because up until two years ago we had one mass specials for three schools a lot of travelling involved and then with the support of this committee we had of second one so now we have two or three schools and ideally we'd like to have one for each elementary school it really isn't exorbitant to have one person each school that not only can serve students on any level of achievement in mathematics but can also help the teachers with math content and how they approach mathematical instruction and then new on our list of things that we would like to expand has not met in this budget is that idea of adding business education is those those courses are very popular they're real world they're almost becoming i would call it necessary to operate effectively in the real world when you graduate so those courses i think really are speaking to being college and career and life ready i would say and then a new thing we're thinking about is what are the needs of students for social workers we have social workers in the district do we need a little bit of an increase of five in that we started that discussion and then other things that you've seen on our list before just to keep it on the forefront we still have to ration based kindergarten  there are lots of requirements coming out of the department of education that we do try to keep up with but they seem to becoming a little bit more rapidly seeing a greater or greater students  requiring special services that a social worker would then oversee i guess that was things that i would we are now about what those numbers might we are because they're just i think nationally and maybe even more what you see more more students that have mental health issues they could be psychological social emotional adjustment and that i think is it's not something unique certainly to here or it and i think it's also an awareness on our part that that really does affect their ability to learn in much more of a way than say in my generation people had any idea understood how important that was that if you can't if you're not socially emotionally mental health healthy then you can't really devote all of your efforts to your learning and that's really what we're trying to do is make sure that we meet all the needs of the the child so that they can take it be image of learning in an optimal way so that that's something we've been talking about whether we need more services in that area  and then last the famous pie chart show about fifty nine percent of our budget is spent on instruction which is very consistent in with other years but twenty four percent is spent on special education seven percent on plan operations three percent in central administration three percent on transportation two percent on technology and two percent of mathematics in those numbers really if they shift one percent  lot we can do and that's ok but there's not a lot we can do about you know minimizing labor costs because we're a labor intensive other than the force negotiates mark contracts and of course for that but just thinking out loud interesting to see what percent of these budgets you know the labor is and what percentage is just a number of the that would tell us anything but it might be interesting the other observation i have just looking at the pie chart is technology being only two percent of our total allocation knowing how important it's becoming that's strikes me as being a low number i mean if you're going to maybe benchmark other districts i suspect suspect they're all struggling to find enough technology but if you say you know in this technological world we live in only two percent of our budget goes to that it does just five think your comments earlier that technology costs are increasing and we need to look at that and there are some things we could have put in the budget that aren't there those two things i just that's true because actually when the things that you might see on the wish the noise so i just didn't mention it we the third technology integration specialist right now we have one for the three elementary schools we're still actually searching for the second one for the middle and high school and eventually we'd like to have one for the elementary schools one for the middle school one of the high school so that's a future goal we're also trying to get to and that would that in any area bruce's point and i think we're all in agreement and we you know we met earlier about this with a separate meeting that we had bruce and you and i and separate occasions i know this is an overview presentation tonight so we don't need to drill into all the nitty gritty but the recurring costs are probably on the horizon going to be more of the increasing because the technology that we are will have or may adopt are going to come with licensing all those things xenon light bulbs that are almost obscene in their costs you know for just the replacement of a  i would love to be able to help with that if we could you know as a school committee member help the team that that in the technology and tools that the staff needs and training as well well that help us always appreciate what i think one of the things to do i want to remind people the reason it might not look as high of a percentage don't forget the most expensive part of technology goes to capital so all of the things we purchase in capital are not going to be reflected here if you were to take good everything together and redo the pie you would see a much bigger percentage and so but we that's not the way it is for people so that the things you see more interactive whiteboards the computer replacement the e mail new e mail system we're going through the phones all of that stuff is under technology and most of that big ticket items goes to capitol so thank you that's why we don't worry as much about the two percent here because this is pretty you know it is very hard to change the needle much if you're depending on how you deal with your labor contracts so we think we did very well azure in negotiating through when you were on that you saw the issues we face there but i think the you know the general approach is that's how much of the budget just moves with bringing forward her salaries and the control issues and i think to to see that our percentages didn't change even after negotiating with all of our associations is a good is a good note in this at this time place because sometimes you don't you know you'll see big shifts based on that and that which means something happened in the process that you know affected other things so i think the fact that we got through all of those do on our five year basis pieces the groupings maintain our current class sizes and we say when we say that we actually go through with the principals what their class sizes are and that's where we make some of these are just take relative to you know adding some business classes and some engineering classes and stuff like that you know we are going to use you know with us this like decreases we've had population we adjust for that by using those bodies in areas of people have asked us  get richer programs and other programs for the system so class size is important to us but it's also monitoring those class sizes and how you can reuse those resources when it's working for you and that is actually how we came up with the plan for engineering and financial literacy so we look at class sizes in a particular department and we've got great people principal they must have said we can do this by reallocating some of this so that's why not all of our solutions or movements you'll see in here are proven that they're not going to result in dollar sign change right so you wouldn't see it here because we that's our first question we'll look at class sizes what are we trying to accomplish at that level and let's look at class sizes and everything else and say can we accomplish this in a cost neutral fashion that's always the first question that's important like you brought that up debbie especially at the onset of this presentation because i think oftentimes when people hear about new initiatives you know the immediate response is how much is it costing us so but i think that this is something that's really been prevalent here in that sense of looking at the resources that we have within the district and making those changes and movement so that it doesn't create an increase in capacity and you've been great at that and i program whether it's industry karada district transportation anything that has to affect that program and make sure that we're counting for and obviously there is a little bit of estimating that has to happen in that area because you don't know all the children who haven't shown up yet  we done very well of that over the years and i think consistently we've been able to manage that budget and you know used a circuit breaker a couple of other funds that we have available to us when we do have an issue so we fortunately have a set up that works well a maybe it's basically just to go through every single program within every single school and every building and make sure that we shake that out you know when we're going through this one of the things is we're always trying to estimate a number retirees at this point we're we don't know anything but as you know the town has had a consistent approach where basically no matter what our salary budget is there are so many we're going to have a hundred twenty five thousand dollars in savings that usually works out to between four and five retirements when you take what the new personal replacement cost would be versus the the person retiring so obviously if we have less than that we we have a little bit of one thought we have more than i mean we have yes we have a problem more in that we have a little one called last year less than that the is you're going to pay more than the lower step because you're not going to find it's typically somebody in a lower step but you might be lucky enough in another area to be able to gain that difference so it's not always that five works you know sometimes you actually need six or seven just to get to that that the appropriate  and one of the other issues we have to deal with as you know our budgets and all in budget which means that we include every expense that the district has and then we take off what we bring in for grant money involving money there has been a steady downward trend on the grant side especially on the federal side two of our grants alone came in this year about thirty thousand less than what we had last year one grant went away so even though we're budgeting for these things we have to be able to make those up during the year as we go through may mean that we use all of them or depends on our revolving account which is kind of pull those down quicker and you know left us in a little bit you know less of a healthy position on those to be able to maneuver as we move forward but there is no way of july beginning of august notification now nothing comes to us until sometimes the end of july and we don't know until the beginning of september so you know making amy pony up anything is the difference or to write all the grants up and special hardware software and extended licensing fees where in the horizon i ask clinically not any other way is there park money on our rides and know that for the universe zero this was brought up in the last managers meeting that i went to for business managers and actually we had the deal we there answering questions and one of the biggest complaints that you know mike who had was that what park is going to push down on us and we have about twelve hundred fifty computers throughout the district we have twenty seven hundred students if you have to do the testing the way they want the testing done we probably need at this point about three to four hundred more computers to make that work so it's a very troublesome thing to think that all of a sudden it district who is obviously maintaining equipment because that's that's number one is to keep the you know the twenty one that we have going but now to have to add on top of that more than we actually replaced in a given year and we're think the issue here really is going to come down you know they're trying to get this year with some being done paper wise and something being done system i think that the system side of it's going to show the weaknesses in most districts that have to do it because you know you can do like even look at our current we have seven computer labs in that building it's not enough and if that's the case you know first what would have more room to put more computer labs and so that means that again just from a practical point of  basically we're desk can't be side by side to most of our computer labs are set up that way they're supposed to be back to back it can't be next to it there's just going to be a lot of issues relative to that we're trying to address what we can address based on what we know today  realities of all of the required i mean dates i don't know if there's any movement yet but they're actively actively working toward trying to communicate the reality on the ground of all the ideas that  have good management and good discipline and good foresight and do the best we can and we're fortunate that we have i think we do but you know i mean good point you know good concern looming on the horizon one of the superintendents committee superintendents organization is sixty seven dollars five hundred eighty five dollars it's an increase of a million fifty nine thousand and one only or three point six percent as we stated already eighty four percent of that is relative to labor costs the coal increase that was negotiated so it's not as high as it was last year as far as percentage wise but it's still a number that obviously you know i think the town will look at with serious eyes however it is less than what we had originally projected to the townsite by about one hundred forty thousand dollars so in their revenue projections they have a number that's about one hundred forty thousand higher than this so obviously it's going to give some leeway you know within the town structures of ours that that money goes  's kind of a chart that just gives you the kind of the track record here and as i was saying that you know we've kind of been in this range in the past but the differential last year was again the cola increase was a two and a half percent so this is a slightly less you know on the cola side and from the expense point of view we had a little bit more last year because we tried to fix a lot of the issues that we had again with the licensing and stuff like that that really hadn't been accounted for we start to get away from us as far as  to maintain and pay for this is always one of my favorite charts you know and i really think it lets us look at how we're doing over time and how this year's increase compares to prior year increases and as you've said bill we did have a successful negotiation which is always a act between taking care of our staff and managing the responsibilities to the town i was a for this chart every year i just think it it shows each year is different but it doesn't always go up you know even in a year where we just had to renegotiate you know where our year to year changes down from last year to this year and i think that's important roll it's you know we've had a downward trend for the for the last six or seven years obviously the f y ten was pretty close to the high year in the twenty nine hundred range this year we're in on october first to two thousand seven hundred seventy two we have a little bit larger in the preschool it's not a great indicator because again you don't see all the students until the kindergarten side or kindergarten is healthy compared to last year it's a few up so again a lot of this number is relative it's it's it's not as scientific as you would think because when you look at births in town and you do a track record which i did i went back about twenty years the correlation doesn't even are now the families that have the families of change now it's all younger families and they're coming in so that's that's really what the indicator is obviously we're coming off a couple bad economic years so you wouldn't have expected there wasn't much building going on in town that's starting to change again  and we're starting to see me you know a few good sized projects that will come across in the near future on the town side so you know we feel the numbers are going to be relatively similar for the next couple years but again unforeseen when you look at everything that that's you know even generated by the state side the numbers are everywhere saw i come back to doing the best based on what we have is a history of a student base and who's moving forward into was not what we have seen as a pretty stable environment at the charter school again that's supposed to be on a lottery program so you would expect you know based on the groupings that are out there but we have seen on the high school level more coming back which is his go back to last coming back to the high school again we offer certain programs that they don't offer because of our size our athletics and all of that so depending on music depending on how you know what the kids aptitude is where he's really looking to go you would expect to get some of that up in the last couple years actually has been  more direct on that high school level than on any other level the old love seem to stay pretty consistent so you know again that historical trend when you look at it from a graphing point of view we had the real highs in that two thousand and six range you know basically we're going to be looking at coming back down and i would say based on th what we're seeing with the building in populations we should stay pretty much in this stable environment around the twenty seven hundred going forward staffing changes we've done this by building so you can kind of get an idea of what the overall change is one of the things that that you'll see talk you through is that some of the changes that that will show up in the budget itself are actually because we made changes during this year in order to accomplish issues whether it was an i p that still was out there that we didn't hold last year when we're doing the budget so we don't change the f t s in the budget side of it so if if if there was a need to change and add a half of  had assistant as an example on september of this year we would have done it because obviously we have to meet the needs of the students but the budget will still stay of what the original f t s are so when we go to this year it actually looks like there's a change and have to ease but it was something that we had to account for this year and in this you know in these cases you're going to see in the end most of these changes except the ones that deb already highlighted to you are ones that we have to flow into and make up the money and make up the positions as we go so  the you know other positions that as we've talked about the school career this is a move that you made this year again it would have been in the budget last year but so it shows up as a difference this was actually taken from an expense line so that's why you'll see our expenses actually dropping so actually it did show up in the budget but not as a staffing right spend so right now it would be i mean shows as a staffing increase where before it was an expense line we want to stay consistent so that if someone looks back at their budget to last year they can say actually made this move in this year again but it wasn't done at the time and that was the second step talk of making the department better really point for department of point six teacher that's what contracts are supposed to be doing but he was actually you know in a dealing with all the transportation issues and stuff we got into the year and the workload was even heavier than we had had and to stupid to be honest with you and the person been doing a great job it has been putting in a lot of hours so we ended up actually going up to a point seven seven point five and having to based on a case load requirement so when you look at the sped side of it as far as how we have to make and again these are are i would say every all the adjustments except for the to the depth pointed out on this are all things that happen during this year there are all things that that handle either a child moving from a grade to another grade for or a case load or a new you know issue with it with you know the ip is being generated some that didn't exist last year at this time when we were doing the budgets and so the net effect as dep said comes down to one point six but it's the ins and outs which we have every single year that you know when you think about doing a budget in november for the following here and you really don't even know what the issues are going to be facing you i think we do very well in getting very close to the component so the salary change in the entire budget that you know including the offset one hundred ninety four thousand eight hundred eighty five dollars spent side of it is an increase of sixty four thousand two hundred twenty three dollars for the total increase of the million fifty nine thousand  the you know typically what i did last year and i think it's kind of an important shot you know i really any expense item that's over two thousand dollars i can try to point it out to see you can see what's going on we have one private grant this year that has been funding something within our tech  anyway in one of the department of farmers that basically is going to go away so we're going to have to make up for that five thousand dollars so the cad you know we just rather say we just have to say that it's fee that's gone up pretty readily over the years again we've done very well holding the line on this actually last year this one dropped and we were able to do well with that so a small increase here to take in department in general you know makes up a number of different group but the couple of the biggest things were the you know in that they have a shopping area component which you know material wise has got no increased in in money over the the probably the last seven years from what i can see so it's very hard for them as far as doing projects they tend to take a lot of the projects they do from one class apart to do the next class and really been asking for some support there you know the biggest portion of that seventy seven hundred is that along with the video production department you know we had this year but we didn't get any supplies to it and obviously after the first year with using everything that we've purchased and we're fortunate to get to the faces grant you know now we have a little bit of boston that we're also going to associate with the out of district tuitions for the bedside based on what we know today and we try to estimate a little bit of the load into next year as well we still think we have about a twenty five thousand dollars savings there year over year unfortunately part of that's going to be chewed up by the the transportation  which is very expensive when we move on children and you know around massachusetts one of the other unfunded mandates but actually became funded this last year in the homeless transportation however they brought in the category so we are finding ourselves with more and more children that are being displaced out of fox robot have the right to be educated here you know to have to bring him back again on a daily basis what more do we have to pay for then yes we do unfortunately what happened last year was the state  because some of us were recording it within our state reports properly the state actually funded any one of us who reported that right on gave us the money back so we had about twenty three thousand that came back into the general fund last year this basically would give it about twenty seven thousand  based on our current caseload i think it's going to be tight but it should be pretty close again if the state holds true we may get that twenty seven thousand back going again to the just fine of the following year so you know these are there's a number of components within budget that that most is i think good to know is that if a student is homeless whether they reside elsewhere they reside in fox when the going back to their home district so whichever way they are homeless and now live in foxborough homeless were student fox homeless in another town we usually the posher is fifty fifty so the receiving in the sending towns to question the transportation but if they have an individual education plan then the sending the previous district pays one hundred percent of the transportation and that has happened to us this year so it depends on who the student is how much our cost burden is school that will also be used and it's going to have we support the the town meetings department and you know fertilization and stuff like that so there are some moneys that we need to account for so we've got about seven thousand dollars which we think w the revolving grants and circuit breaker these are obviously three different types of outside funds that we've used that are not funded by the town side revolving accounts are things like athletic revolving transportation  to the tuition accounts which would be both for the the full day kindergarten building mental building rental number of things on the revolving side the only real downtick we're going to see is going to be on the athletic side of about ten thousand dollars and that's because the way that new m i a s is doing there scheduling we're going to actually see less on the home game side of it especially when it comes to the tournaments component it's still really much up in the air and it's also the off year for the this coming year on the grant side as i said you know we know we have a couple that are down already and we're you know we're taking what we've seen and trends on those it's that they're dropping by about five percent on the grant side and you know again the federal  the circuit breaker if you're not aware but what the circuit breaker is basically is it is one of the state safety valves for the special education program and it's basically driven off of a factor so that if you spend over x amount of dollars on any single child and i think this year that amount is thirty seven thousand it goes up each year but and that means not only there are just you know the cost of transportation anything you put into it's a lot of accounting that has to go to make sure you really find that they give you back a portion of that on top of that so you know what we've been very fortunate do is is first of all i think her spent army has been very very good as far as controlling those numbers and understanding and reporting him so that obviously i can pick it up and then push it back through we don't use every penny every year we let it kind of try to keep it consistent because some years it will be down to three hundred thousand range some years we might be up in the five hundred thousand range if we obviously fluctuate that way the town is going to see one of these things on the budget so what you have the right is on circuit breakers that it's a two year fund so effectively what i brought in this year which is actually for last year's expenses i have know this year in the following year to spend it so as long as our level funding the way we've been doing it works which it has we basically are able to maintain that even if we had a real down year with the state we wouldn't have to impact the town on it no there's no differen the way they use free cash on the town side effectively to manage the budget process and not to have the peaks and valleys this is one of the few accounts that we have that ability with them and that's why i think randy and company with a look at it understands what we're doing is to try to keep a level pool and say what this is the this is the one with the key didn't come out correctly the key is wrong you know it doesn't automatically so since we've already seen the pie chart let's just cross out this key since we know that into office chemo it does this automatically thing and you have to really watch it carefully yes so that's not  fixing as far as our new steps you know partially as debit had said before the obviously we continue to look at this with our staff you know internally for any issues that may come up we've been very fortunate in the last couple years we haven't any real inner shocks but  again you know if we were to get indicator as an example of your children moving in that had special needs between now and the time town meeting obviously we try to address that so we're not quite but you know again it's short window here so there's not a lot of time for things to change you know we do as a steps that we do sit down with randy and bob to go over the the revenue projections for any changes that they have as well as any changes they may have on the town side that might affect the overall budget  cycle this is your plimer review the next bigger one will be on the six so any questions that you have to detail i will say that what i did for this year which they haven't done in the past but i was just struggling with it so hard myself that i could imagine that others would in the actual detail budget lines you'll see that i actually changed it to the budget side even though the total for last year's budget was exactly what we approved a town meeting every single salary line has been changed to what the actual salary line is for this year so that when you compare what we are in today to what we're going to do tomorrow you see the real change into each position in each grouping otherwise when it was all the money was sitting down in the cola line  six hundred forty thousand dollars was sitting down there and to be honest i was very difficult to look at any one of those budgets and understand you know you were looking at a difference and you thought it was that the person they want to buy that much it didn't want to buy half of that much like that so we're not going to see a call i'm going to have is not  last year and when you take the other expense items that we will incur fingerprinting which is part of the contractual agreement that we have a stipend changes that will happen during this year the additional course reimbursements and a couple of things we are going to be basically right on what we estimated in our negotiation process so i think you know considering that it's you're rolling the dice at the time you do it i think our budget in november last year completed and we didn't  so i just have a couple questions a great great presentation and one thing that i know in the past that we've always had access to that i think would be helpful for the january meeting are the revolving accounts because actually pull those together i will have  the other thing i just you know i just want to clarify is the prioritization of the additional fees in terms of the administrative piece that you have met with your administrative team and these have been deemed the priorities at this point yes we haven't we haven't we will come back to you with them prioritized so what we've done here is included things that you should expect to see but you don't have them in the priority order ok all right that's what i just about that requirement and what would it look like what is it you know what how would it impact students schedule so that you can ok make an informed decision about how you view that i was just thinking side another thing you and i think that would be important also for people at home to understand when and where this request is coming at this point all we can do is based on the prior history predict right to decrease because we're going to seeing decreases every year for the last eight to ten years but we don't actually know any of the allocation amounts until july right there any other thoughts or new questions for sue about that while she's here well you know i'm thinking of when i saw that position for the middle school you know i'm thinking about the number of students and the you know what we have at the high school and how we try to make comparisons i mean is it just as you did tonight with the request for the custodian and certainly the pay the the student population at the middle school there's i see is a greater difference between fifth and eighth grade versus the high school ninth and twelfth which again makes me think about all of the needs that that student population requires and how you manage to you know meet those needs but the request being additional success meeting students needs right outside of the classroom when it comes to the mystery of support discipline touching base with families having meetings with students and their families teacher evaluation probably chairs valuation is huge the number of people that's the of people to be evaluated are largest at that school so it just seems like to make that whole that you know from a point six to one point kind of like what we did in the year past where we  i don't think our leadership is leaving early you know just in general bill i agree with katie thank you for the presentation and obviously steve and i had the benefit as the subcommittee to hear this individually and if we had major concerns we would have voiced them prior but you know my my take is just trying to compare this to past years i think it's very prudent you know you started by saying we're offering a couple of new class offerings subject offerings that we can do without adding more teachers  went through what i described in our subcommittee meeting is some pretty vanilla changes is how i view them yes there's some headcount increase which is always sensitive but the bulk of that is in special ed staffing which in our prior decision to take our career specialist to a full time which was an expense already you know the bulk of that and then you know the wellness position which the state mandates so you know i think you're doing the right thing it's the same approach as in the past in a level services modest you know line item increase in supply type stuff i think our exposure going forward will be the technology licensing type issues which steve's pointed out but generally  as well but one of the biggest pieces that quite honestly i'm just not ready yet with is the c f p for technology there's a lot of balls up in the air on that one that we need to really kind of you know pull it out and make sure how we're going to achieve it obviously with the wireless network that we're headed here at the height at the high school and the hope to have the seventh and eighth grade sections done this year on line it's not so much the wireless that becomes the problem the bottleneck really becomes how much data can you move  and really what we need to do is get this entire system up to one gig system to be able to handle the requests that are being pushed across it for information and so we've got a lot of work to do on that that's you know that has to do a switch here it has to do with band with that we're dealing with from the outside you know whether it's comcast or our own fiber network itself so that's one of the component areas i'm trying to kind of get a better handle on to know where we're going to have to go expense wise but and i think once we can accomplish we can do here f y fourteen budget update well actually look at your write up there are really no changes in the in the budget from last month you know most of the payroll things kind of as you know the i mean you know expenses well it's whether to supplies within any one of the buildings the you know it's really task on each of the principals to live within their budgets so you're not going to see you know changes in those areas because they know what they have to spend and they know how they have to get to the end of the year so at this point i wouldn't see any changes at all because they're they're doing what their jobs are and that is to maintain their you know educational side of it with the funding that they have so really the only changes i would we put timelines to many of those things the timeline was december one update on which i'm in challenge opportunities so again to put it in the specific goal on our shared goal just recall says to monitor progress and pursue new opportunities for enrichment challenge with associated review of budgetary impact so this is a good timing because we can speak to these things and then also speak to why you didn't see any specific big ask in the budget so as you know this goal is also aligned with my two year personal superintendant goal one of them is to learn goal which said by june two thousand and fourteen as a started a year ago the number of district wide opportunities for advanced learning which we can challenge will increase by at least twenty percent at each level our baseline data which was current opportunities work the baseline data was collected in june two thousand and twelve to measure the goal and you can see how many opportunities we had i want to go on second beginning and saying this is not a clean count it is really impossible to count this scientifically so i'll give you an example differentiated instruction which we expect in every classroom is an opportunity to to advance student learning or to challenge students but we count that as as one every club or activity are counted as one to be program the burl school after enrichment burl enrichment after school program is counted as one plus like i mention in the year because it's yes there after school things for kids to s from but it's four weeks so how do you how do you compare the richmond opportunity the last four weeks a barrel to a club at another school that lasts a full year for example so it's impossible to count apples to apples so i'm going to say this is a bunch of fruit so different as apples bananas there are apricots and peaches and everything else in here but here's where we stand now and then the actual percentage increase as part of my mid cycle review in february since it is my goal that i will i will have that for you so that you can take a look at that and then certainly get the but at the elementary opportunities added last year during the two thousand and twelve thirteen school year or not previously counted when we did the baseline there were there were two things in here that someone neglected or left out so we've had actually thirteen new additions to the elementary level the borough school added three opportunities to friends for change which is basically community service robotics and drama the i go school added for the friends for change club the hoedown karate and fo square dancing the memory book club the friends for change service club in the school play and as i said this data does not capture the rich ferocity of choices offered through the beat the broad it was big program which is organized and run to the great credit by the at the middle school for opportunities who are added virtual high school that students have the opportunity to experiment certain students who are capable but thing to add a virtual high school course elective to their schedule new grade six enrichment math challenge their grade eight electives that have been added in the grade seven exchange that he had existed before but wasn't counted in the baseline the high school added six various new clubs last year and the full list of clubs i do have a few interested in that i could bring up their new opportunities that already have been added or expected to be added for the current two thousand and thirteen fourteen school year and some of these are still under discussion that we're plan to try out in the second half a year at the elementary school a difference of one to four clubs plus the beep expansion the i go is starting a leadership academy to develop student leadership that's it's just teens idea he that we are we're in the process of seeing if we can add a club about math logic games art which came out in the student interest survey that you saw last spring and cooking clubs which also was very very high in students list and those are still in the p the middle school there are actually fourteen new opportunities either already implemented or under construction the grade seven honors math grade nine math course purring at the ahearn for students who advanced br workshop you heard about a recent meeting and that truly is an opportunity for students to be challenged in in advance at their own level grade five enrichment math the fifth with fifth in health and nine new after school clubs that they're single i want to go on record to say the cooking club which we're working on those working with food service people to see what we can provide for that because that does require a little more planning and some of the clubs in the future city competition which is called engineer your future is something that's new and people have been looking into foxborough high school added seven new opportunities this year one is a p physics which started in september and six new clubs community warriors which is a local service club dance club engineering club flames of war club game making club which is gaming which is high student to mock trial and then the new club helping hands which is global awareness richmond challenge opportunities and i think this is a great example of when when everybody takes something on as a goal and we talk about it and it becomes a big then becomes part of the practice of what we do so i think after the two year period we're actually starting to feel this is becoming something we automatically do is look for new opportunities to richmond challenge and that's the whole purpose of having a goal is for spotlight something and then after a while it becomes part of what you do when you're spotlight can go elsewhere like i have a question for mrs abramson she's been kind enough to hang out with us for so long and this is unprepared so i recognize up but if you had to speculate that the percentage of the middle school kids to these opportunities and in the high percentages these clubs are as you've said enrichment it's not balloon making you know it's not something that we're definitely something but the budget still going up and our student enrollment has sort of flattened out in the low but we are adding a p s where in these enrichment courses if we have to fund these clubs one way or another to get consistency  and people walling that's great but we but you see all the things that have happened and you didn't see us asking for more money in the budget i agree that's a no no that's the norm so that's the you know what i'm saying is is that we have good we have a group we  excellent and it's not soft and squishy but it's still really expensive which manifests itself in higher student achievement better relationships with the teachers so it's it's in a way in some ways a social emotional inexpensive respon as opposed to you know providing you know other services where you can get a little closer to the student provide what they need discover and you know be right there in the moment and the kids make friends every kid needs a friend  and if they don't have opportunities to connect with the school and be part of the school you don't want them disenfranchised so it's more than just the enrichment or the activity it's the relationships that they're building with the other students in the school and being part so that's where i think there's you know that wants of reese yeah says the more affinity a child has for school than what they've bonded with that school through those things that they'll make healthier decisions in their lives about drug and alcohol for well i love that there are so many options especially down the elementary school i think that's great because it's like i remember when i was i went to the taylor school we had like i know i did the square dancing with  and like the book clubs and stuff and i just thought it was great because you got to be involved with so many people it's right my first year here i was actually involved in a lot of the clumsier of un yeah so if you go through here book from last year you  challenging you to get involved in local government i think it's really i think it's really important how these clubs are engaging our students all different levels and like you said it provides a foundation for them to be  you know have opportunities to be successful and a lot of different areas that maybe they might not have had a chance so i think it's very impressive i want to see the list continue to grow and get you know is getting we're using of the the resources like our surveys to engage our stakeholders which are students and participate so i think it's great that the numbers are increasing we're moving in the right direction and i have just have to be honest i think my my initial reaction when i read this when i get the packet was how much of this is fluff and it's because you know i sit here being very interested in voice offering a wide variety of programs to kids is equally if not more important so i went through a couple times like you know what is my reaction to clearly you're going to achieve your objective of the twenty percent stepping up to do these programs and so i guess my focus then ultimately turn to ok how how much are we were doing these programs which is why i asked the question is this a rooms that i did and what are we doing to i don't know ok if we need more of them you just said look let's have a list increase maybe we've got enough maybe we need to drive more so i think we might have expanded to the point where there's plenty of choices but i don't think we were there before i don't think there's enough choice before for a variety of things and i think to some point if you don't have a school club with a teacher get to know them and then you might want to take the a p course that they're teaching because you've gotten to build a relationship with that person a lot come on you can do it so i think it's got a lot of hidden benefits that we're not counting on we just read from a list of clubs i think that it's it's it is like a play it's a seed in the student that can have many more effects that isn't really originally what you might imagine when they just say i think i'll try that club anything that can motivate a student to want to build relationships and do well in school does help them in the more advanced subjects for sure but i think also you know it's not a list of balloon making if it was your example right there which is a you know great trade i wouldn't make it but there's other people that can do it make a good living you know i'm not knocking and i think if you remember our surprise that the survey i don't want to say surprised but it's like i have no how moment because i think as adults and parents were thinking of those you know the of more academic classes them a club's thing but when we asked the students they were the things like cooking it are so what they're saying to us is if we created this expansion list of clubs that activity based on what we thought they would like so we have to say what is that they want to expand their their world and what could inspire a career you know maybe maybe a club that has to do with you know friends for change get some involved in politics maybe you know a club in all of these could suggest careers that they then want to go and they're motivated to take certain courses or electives because they really found a special interest or passion in that area and that's that's the whole idea of the hopes particularly struck with how the clubs at the elementary school level fit with the school improvement plans  there that there were so many opportunities for enrichment during the school day virtual high school with the grade eight electives i think there is such a wide variety of electives that gives that the students an opportunity to study something they might not get in you know in their regular curriculum day but that they might be passionate about i was at a friend's house and her diary was taking action design and she pulled out her drawings to show me and you know she was clearly very enthusiastic about the subject so i think it could spark an interest in somebody that they might not get you know they only get art for half a year on so it's a it's another opportunity fashion oriented it's in even the after school clubs i know i'm smyth son went to a geography fair meeting today to participate in a club but it's a competition they'll go to bridgewater state in april so i think when we say club i mean there are different levels of club united where all the issue but i think that they definitely are all striving to meet the school improvement plan objectives this strategically and objectives and we're doing things in enrichment and challenge for all students across the board i think to that which you made the statement about a lot of the the differentiated instruction but even looking at our teaching and learning highlight  earlier this evening seven senior students attended bristol community college last fall and they all are into college credit that's an opportunity to challenge our students so it's imbedded like you always talk about in so many of the content areas on a day to day basis in the opportunities and we talk about real life experiences but there are these students actually have an opportunity to to go to school and we have other students a question you said that you were in the when you came in you joined a lot of clubs oh no you're on the air me  school system a little later than some students who have grown up in it did and to the principal abrams point did that help you integrate and start to you know know the students and the teachers and those as th totally different i came here and just like i kind of just started to meet other teachers and like now like my one of my department here departments is the english department so i don't know i've only had i've had the same english he says he has a real bigot i talk to all the english says and i'm saying that runs and i just talk i can stay in like miss bryan so i can stay in our room for like an hour and we just talk and this is like that and i just feel like i've bonded with so many teachers that i'm never i probably will not have that's part of the life you know for so we worry more about kids who don't feel as if any did any of this and they just go home at the end of it if you don't develop those kinds of relationships that they're talking about who you know you get to know people who then can motivate you whether you have them for a teacher during the academic period or not so that's the whole idea thank you for sharing we feel that it's important so to put you on this one all right so we are going to move on right well this is a great service director allison johnson our well was directed you know we're going to work together in so many initiatives around health nutrition wellness and the allison writes these grants and we've been awarded two thousand dollars from the stop and shop a mini grant program to start school gardens at the three elementary schools in the spring and that would be in the spring grade two students will be planting the garden that is part of the grade two science curriculum so that's why they're going to be doing it and because they do have a plant unit in second grade and then the following fall when they become grade three students still be harvesting and constructing and helping out how students will sample the home grown foods in the cafeteria working with the food service people so that is true terrific and allison has also written to whole foods for additional funds of two thousand dollars each for the gardens as well as to possibly have enough to start gardens at the mill and high school so she'll find out about that in march and i do want to think she mentioned that we have a local farmer mike smith from farm who's been helping with donations of seeds and plants from his farm as well as lending his expertise t yes yes why did you come forward yes just one of the commercial interruption of people at home i think the last time we were here we talked about katie career coming january twenty first however that date has changed due to the high seventh will be going to the high school presentation for two presentations for the two halves of the high school however it's sorted out to presentations at the middle school a grade five six and seven eight and a par presentation at night at six thirty at foxboro high school and she will go over her some interesting tidbit from her website it says our kids are doing but what can i do to protect them what action i be worried about is social networking safe is my child being cyber bullied what's texting sexting what's next it's overwhelming being a parent today in our technology driven society you can find this information out at katie greer dot com it's about an hour and a half presentation for ages eighteen and above so do not bring anybody under the age of eighteen should be going over some information  grade five six presentation is tailored to fit and six graders seven and eight seven with an eighth graders high school to high schoolers with information that's developmentally appropriate for that age and this is one of the things that can of the packet was through that we didn't have the the flyer yet but she is a former intelligence analyst for the massachusetts state police in the former internet safety coordinator for the massachusetts attorney general's office so it'll be interesting she's very lively some people have seen her i know he has and she was in meals filled a few months ago to a very high regard so when the only question is when is the is the flyer going out to families that official player is being edited right now by fox pro high school student and as soon as it gets approved hopefully tomorrow it will be out this week and will be up on our website but i just wanted to let everybody know that's not the twenty first it is the seventh at six thirty here at foxboro high school auditorium hoping for a large crowd of parents and over eighteen to get informed about what's going on in technology that i phone and behind the scenes for another offering in february so obviously it will repair our documents and send it i think i kind of set you up front based on the demand that was out there and are being in there for the first year unless the building literally had fallen down it was not likely they were going to fund it so you know fortunately we did do the repairs we did this summer to the roof and stuff like that so we should be you know ok but you know obviously it's still a priority of ours and you know we look through the state of interest that we prepare flush year and see if there's any additional tweaks we can put on that that might make it more appetizing to them to fight on next year so when you go to resubmit that it has to be submitted before the end of february so  a lot of schools i mean we personally know the districts with schools in absolutely desperate conditions so it wasn't a surprise to us that we didn't get in the first round selection ok so not to be discouraged well no no i think i think the last time i was the two hundred sixty that were brought forward only about sixty five of them got it so obviously you knew that pent up demand was coming forward ironically this time they said they only they had about two hundred fifty fifty more were added to the list so you know again depending on the need i think barrel does have some significant issues that we want to address before we do have r c much larger issues but i think they also understand that today they do realize if you've been in a program of trying to maintain a building but it's getting to the point where you know the information in your packet that we did receive from the town hall so i listed under other matters since it was identified that we were going to talk about it today but not really understood you know there wasn't a decision yet about kind of where we're going with this discussion so today's purpose room i recollect in and certainly friends on here in the rest of committee is that based on the information you received we're going to have a discussion about whether we need to pursue this in a more formalized way putting it on the agenda i'm so i'm just kind of opening it up to people and wanting to get a response back from the canadians to the direction people want to take i mean i will it's it's just driver but his attention to you know the impact that they do identify in the report which was the fact that the increase in school in rome and based on what but that number is tied to a flow right along what well it every year it costs more money than to educate a child so if that document is asking for called let's round it to one hundred let's call it one hundred twenty one hundred twenty eight dollars we just looked at a budget that's our budget go up so what's it going to be in three years for those for those presumably ten students whether they have special needs none a mix of some you know we know are certain aspects of our budget are justifiably very expensive but  i have a problem with that number not moving or being tied to some kind of legitimate bellwether of some kind because five years from now it's not going to be a hundred twenty eight thousand five hundred fifty  report actually i spoke to the chair called they spoke to him the day before where they needed information do which was fine but in the end what i see is where it was too late for us to do anything at that point it was a tuesday and the it was wednesday night it believe but the net effect is the biggest cost that one could i guess argue that is a mitigation element is the effect on an increase to the moment would be the highest thing i think anyone's mind the fact that they were able to include it extrapolating from the impact study and they put it in there and they only think it's ten students i mean we can absorb ten students you know really without a lot of cost just like you know any time there are student moment could go up by ten in any given year and you don't see you know scrambling going on so i actually read that and said ok they put something in anyway in their studies show it's only ten students so i actually am not worried about it take it another step i mean you know we can get ten students just in a housing development that's built right tomorrow so for that for ten students more i mean there has to be housing for ten students more so that means they're going to an existing apartment existing condo existing house buying a new house that's no different and happens every day they were saying that students i would say that there's a significant here for friendship here the ironic thing is what you look at where a plane bill is doing it and in court i don't see this that's the potential issue i don't see this is a budget buster in any way shape or so i mean our school enrollment is down so low we can take several more students than that and still not even be a capacity because if you thought about it i was ten students it was spread across the district which i mean one more stop a certain in a truck in a class that i know i have five so we have five schools to spread these ten i mean it has no impact at all about hiring or anything it's  normal it's not good and they also feel like if we let's say we get this happens and if it opens and we have ten more students that year than we do at home how many of them from race you know versus not i don't even know you know if their family so the famil movie and move out all the time and i actually that was my reaction i'm thinking ok so they had some type of data from that they can extract way from and it's only ten that i felt i think i felt i with the programs were off line of reputation i mean look look at the number of applicants just to teach in this area or become part of the administration hot springs becoming in a town that attracts i think we're going to get these students problem i don't know and i also have thoughts about this or where i mean what i think is kind of interesting is that it phone call was made to you you know the day before that well he had called the friday before but i didn't know what we was or why it was called right so then i think it was leaving town meeting that monday he approached bill and said oh i need a tall that is we have a meeting wednesday so i quickly called the next morning not realizing they were actually wrapping up this report that next night so there wasn't it's there was an outreach to the committee or to us as a mystery but actually after reading what they have in the i thought they were able to do it anyway so if we learned anything more about any other district school districts neighboring districts doing anything you know but not that asked around i mean i'm not very smart on the stuff but my my reaction is it's great that were included that there's a recognition that schools and kids might be impacted but i don't feel the need to take further action as a school committee at this time and i must our select men told us they wanted us to do something more look at something or i also found it very interesting that in the newspaper they said the selected have had that the idea of a november vote perhaps no no gambling in massachusetts this all becomes the of washing that passes well steve you've been most active i think are aware of all those do you think there's something we should be considering as a committee at this point absolutely which is i went to the race you know mitigation committee meetings as this i don't know let's call it a month or two ago and that's when i voiced my opinions about the concerns of a parent and what effect that business venture will have on our community i would consider the information in this report in part of the genesis of me making those comments at that another meeting that i've just been to which i was actually very surprised that there was very few people at it from fox tomorrow was the meeting with pen national and the massachusetts gaming commission that was publicized where penn national talked about their plans for the race you know along with the citizens of plainville who i have great respect for and i understand why they might want to have that they see know in their community and there was one person at that meeting who spoke and even mention rules for for us to not have and what frustrates me the most about this report is and i said this before is that it's a fractured communication process between what i don't clearly understand and that's this who contacts us the board to school the school committee  district to ask us if we want to weigh in on any of this and ask for substantially less none the moon whatever but the same way that we can we can think about how did the race scene know gambling in the state may go away i would like to have my powder dry and think well i want to be prepared for what may be the worst based on statistical data here that's at least reasonable to consider at least reasonable to consider and so what i would like to find more about is how does the continuing foxborough mitigation process work as it applies to the different departments and stakeholders here in town as we as a town collectively school districts human services water departments public safety whatever go to future mitigation discussions with this organization and nationally this isn't a negotiation with the town of plain this is a negotiation mitigation discussion with the state regulatory people who will arbitrate if required with the private venture going into a town that's already accepted in the i think it was seventy six percent of the people in term voted for it so now we have a business over there and it has a fax in this report some may or may not be directly related to the school district but we're talking about validated driving under the everything that you're talking about right now you know are i don't know if this committee aware of what you're talking about this meeting in this company and katie advancer your dance of my own question what you've actually i'm sorry i've answered you'd know if you have the answer but you've given reinforced my own question i guess the question is what's going on with mitigation as it applies to the school committee where do we weigh and when have we has have we missed the boat is the boat not undocked yet because when i was at the so acton's meeting the other night they were talking with our town council our school committee  but our town council about moving forward with the mitigation process with the national again not the town playing you know ok we have a representative in the audience have not put you on the spot whether you want to come forward and speak to this or whether we want to talk i'm out there and that's another straight with this you know time i mean it's the are here welcome thing i wasn't happy with their numbers but but a good question is you know was the school department was the school committee involved or even asked and the answer is i'm gathering no  whether they were out there want to engage and get on the boat so i think it's time we be a little bit late but i think it's important this committee decide if they want to be part of mitigation on the go she asian process or at least give input to dieppe government as he goes through the process input and honestly when you look back you say has that race you know committee gone to every particular department in town and gotten their input so they could say all right how's this going to affect you and steve use fractured and if they didn't come to this committee or perhaps they asked for some information late know what you write i would say it wasn't timely in it but it wasn't it wasn't what i guess it wasn't what do you think  what might you areas of interest be could i as a conduit communicate that to the board it was basically surprise but we came up with these three areas and i need a number attached to them by m r and i'm right what while we don't have anything so i don't even know if those are the three things the right things and we certainly couldn't touch a number of them so you know and i did call the committee members individually and you know it then it was not timely but i guess given the three things that they said they needed a number to  and then we didn't participate because of the lack of timeliness but the biggest ticket item they do have a number next to it so at this point i would say put it have gone differently sure but at this point what i'm left wondering is is th is there some big ticket item that we believe or that we suspect or that we feel passionately about that we should try to insert ourselves back into the process for and i can't figure out what that would be so yes could it have gone differently i think curriculum about how my children make healthy decisions and certainly addicted addiction of all kinds is included in our curriculum so to me that wasn't a new you know thing with suddenly have to be corrected we have to like that so that to me i don't think it would have a price next to it because it's something we incorporate anyway and people will buy lottery tickets so that addiction and how you make healthy decisions about how you live your life is already part of our curriculum so i think it's great that they were able to extrapolate from a study to say we estimate about ten students and put a number next to it because but i don't i don't see any other i think it's big enough to want to worry about for me from my perspective that i would want to say to the committee we need to be more aggressive reinserting ourselves into the process i just don't see what that is and maybe i'm not seeing something i agree with that's possible but i i can't for the life of me figure out what that would be that's where i stand so could have been different sure but people fine well that's great but i will ask that i'll bring it up and then i would i would like to ask the committees recommendation and the suggests the committees rick do we want as a school committee to be involved in other words with respect with respect to john grey as a as a as an acting select find out anything you want about this or we can appoint somebody to go on this but you know there's there's enough here as a newly first time elected person here in town  that concerns me about the safety of our students not within the bounds of our daily operation schools but just in general i got a fourteen year old daughter who's going to be driving two years and they're talking about a spike in doing this i want to know about that we have driver's education in the state so i want to know what skin in the game we want or don't want to have and if the board's consensus is let's not talk about it and let the the b o s and their ad hoc committee and our town council deal with it and then we either get whatever comes of it or nothing that comes from it that's fine but what do we do that's when it can i ask a question just about that i'm trying to figure always trying to figure out if i missed something is there something here i'm just not seeing when you said as a parent you concerned about you know the duis or people on the road i can see any parent would be concerned and i certainly am concerned citizen and i know i've been told by others that sometimes in your role in town the line is blurred when you open your mouth as a private citizen and mayor koopa to people that believe that about me ok but i spoke at  meeting and i am concerned as a school committee member that these issues were discussed without any of us at the table in concert if we're all like no we don't want to be part of it then that's fine and if it's all we want to hear more and just have a ears open then that's fine but i'm not going to contest any of these issues a fight with them i just want to play set the table well i don't think the the school committee has a place when that have for each of the towns they have the place of table so the only real question is do you believe that the mitigation request is either valid or invalid from the school's perspective for me something you know so i think from as taxpayer i'm not going to give you my opinion the other way but i think it's a taxpayer you know i think they put the other study they use the number that we would use which obviously is our you know  maybe you guys have a better crystal ball than i do but you know i don't know what the number is and students as one hundred students is not exactly but how are you going to feel there are we don't there is no way to determine that number steve that's my point so i think they did a valid job on putting together a number based on from from the company that's opening up in plainville to go completely on the defense of parting with the shuttle on these matters ok and suggest to the board of select that if there is monies that are to be had for mitigation that in the future it's possible for the town to go back and ask for this money based on  ok at the same the same group of people made a presentation in plainville three weeks before telling it telling us how all these positive effects we affectation the entire state in the most positive economic ways possible within its range of business so one minute they were able to predict good and next minute they want to hold back and say well we'll wait until problems come and then we'll deal with it well i want to be i want my powder to be ready and dry so what's your number steve what's your number i don't know on and that's the point so is my is my absence of i think i i don't think we want to be ignorant on this i appreciate the report that's been put together although it would have been nice to have some input but i think if least there is something that's out there if we don't want to be ignorant my first suggestion is why don't we ask our own attorney to just take a look at this and explore what else has been done in this area in the past and see if he feels his role we should be one that's one idea second idea why don't we appoint steve to represent us and go explore with the board of selectmen if there's a role that he could play as a liaison to the school or someone else i'll do it or someone else so it's fine with me i'm going to go back to john suggestion that that's what i was going to maybe we need to connect with with government element because educating the kids how many are we going to have and b is there a special demand put on the on this on the student base as deb is already said if there was an issue that came up that was brand new that we weren't facing already were a facing to you know balls and drugs you know gambling all that stuff or we're already facing it's not something brand new but even if it were exasperated in an area we would then looked up maybe that program a little or you know do something that were so you can't make any kind of financial decision on this basis without knowing you know what the actual number is going to be and i don't know how you know the number so i think i think i mean the first i knew i really wanted to have more input would be glad to have the input we didn't at the time we'd be glad to have the input i think as you know least from my perspective i'll do whatever you guys want you know to try to work the numbers through but you know i think it's really up to us like if it's if it's too late if it's you know we're on time or you know there's i mean i think this is that there's a lot of unknowns here and i think it's hard for us to jump from one point to the next find out if it's still there still time what the circumstances i feel like we're starting to make decisions about something i don't have all the information right now and dick attorney might i'm sure have information about what other think what i'll do is all at least try to be a bridge between the school committee and this process but only if i think that would be great jon i mean certainly we want to make sure that we're doing what we need to do on our end so we'll wait to hear from you or you will mark i don't want to miss