mean i just need to speak more loudly anyway i've been wanting to come back to your meetings and just haven't had the chance and so here i am and i'm going to come t it just does go back a little bit at the very beginning when the sea power was formed we we talk a little little bit about the place of the community plan and what it means and all those things and so i thought i would just bring that back up for context of all your discussions and see the there are nine community plans there seven on maui one  s one more because those together with the maui island plan as well as the county wide policy plan all those things are going to so how are the plans there's really two ways one is an asset in an aspirational man and one is in a regulatory manner the these plans are they're largely aspirational except in a couple circumstances though i'll say and when i say that i don't mean us like you know all flowery and you know all that kind of stuff i mean if it's used  clans as this this is you know it is what it is it spells out the direction of the community wants to go you have but those things you know when they you did your job goes and requests funds or you know the water system or even department of water supply you know they want to approach the council for water something like that if it's not law if if if if the community plans those straighten out the water system so it's a demon talking a little bit you know it seems like so many of these systems are overlapping we should be interconnected and there's just all these functionality things that really should be worked out you can put in the community plan and work out all these operational deficiencies but that doesn't magically create a law l public works will look in and go ok i have nine community plans you know this one says i need to start replacing bridges this one so you know i need to spend more time  roadways and so they're going to look at these plans and they're going to go ok in the scope of what all these plans say what are my priorities so they're going to look to these things for some kind of guid another way of that and and so in that sense these plans are not law but they are they do provide direction giving for decision making and that that's critically important as start here with the seat back because you know your community better than like anybody else there are certain places where that plant is regulatory one of them is  in discretionary land use decisions like if you're doing a conditional permit you're doing a change in zoning special use permit deed the county code requires that certain decisions be consistent with the community plan to like it and just because like i use an example right now  expansionary proposed expansion area of french camp for housing there's a park in there housing right now those are zones those are still in the ag district but their designated on the community plan for housing for park when you go in for a zoning all you can do is get a residential and part down there is your consistency you can't you have to match the different layers so so all those things work together that's a requirement but was sort of in that sense in this sense the the i'm sorry  consistent with community so if there is goes in developed school boy they're going to look at the colors on the map if it says hotel that's one of those hurdles to do that and you also look at the zoning to do it is going to go to the planning commission i'm just being really honest with you the planning commission is going to make changes to some of the things that you recommend and that's just part of the process and  it's written on the wall that way and it's really it's really one plan flowing through these different parts of these different decision making bodies but all the same i don't want anybody here to not anticipate that because that is just going to happen it happened when i was involved with community in the ninety's you know it goes from a super pac i mean commission they recommend changes once you get to the county council you know that's another political body there's go i came here we make up all the recommendation the community comes out and we're part of that the profit make all these recommendations the planning commission gets to tweak it because they can the process is set up it starts with you and then you go actually start with the planning department proposing changes and then you you actually formulate the plan well i just wanted to get clarification on the process so we're going to make our draft of the community plan it's miters day the planning commission can't change our stuff they can only recommand their own revisions to our plan they're not going to wipe out what we said and rewrite in our stuff goes away forever then the county council gets a look at both versions and see which one they like better they're going they're going to look at everybody's recommendation all the way through we're going to submit to them one document vote we will also get those all the time so with there will be a full report but the changes with the from more of an internal process we're so cumbersome for mowing on land it took six years to adopt we want something we want all of our community plans to kno all the recommendations from both bodies and not have our recommendation discounted because the planning commission overrode all our stuff so i just wanted to make that clear that they will be able to see both versions and choose for themselves which one they like best for the community it's just it's not just not a good community input vo testimony is required by state law every public meeting by an official but i just wanted to mr chairman my purpose of bringing up all this stuff but just to remind everybody that this is the process i don't think it's a perfect process but this is what we have right now though annoying and we really appreciate that because you bring the perspective of the current planning and long range planning and you show us how it all fits together so appreciate that and also how other agencies bodies are going just do i think reiterate and to address that woman's question as well again the one that goes to the planning commission imagine this is the planning commission the seebeck members what can be out in the you know it i think reminds the commission that there are other people who worked on the draft number one but then number two sometimes they have questions about why something was done this way in the plan and so you have someone from the fact there and they can ask ask and so there's there's a discussion that can happen to explain why you did certain things and then for people in the public you need to so there are many opportunities to do that and you can always send e mail as well but it's it will be just like this so you get many opportunities all right thank you d well we have a quite a bit of ground to cover tonight so we may look at start up that there's choppers one through four that we all have been approved of the plan a department i was sure spent a whole lot of time energy and effort you know taking all of our comments and translating that into a new draft and so you all have the new draft and we're going to be going over that gen can try to give us some insights on the process here have captured your comments and your recommendations and how we've transferred that into how we translate that into changes in the plan and it's also a really good checkpoint for staff to see how the meetings are going and how we're listening and how retrieving your comment i think both before and then might have know that there's a few things we're going to need his help with as far as when there's discussion going on we've asked the of to help us pull out what our actual recommendations that members are made there's a lot of discussion that goes on the we need to tease out what is an actual recommended addition or a change or deletion of a plan so we're going to do a better proper job of really pulling out what the recommendation and then following that getting consent that is not just a comment by one person but if the common for a change that we that you as a group say yes we agree that the package yes that is our recommendation that will really help us capture your your feedback ends of a plan and help us provide it back to you and so we don't have much time now in chapters one through four we don't expect to get through all of that tonight whatever we don't get through time i would just roll over into our other review meeting in august and september chapter one is there any let's just start with the first page does anybody have any issues on anything on the first page  no i want to think we'll fall going there because that's kind of the same thought i have because i went and i reviewed everything again and it's exactly what he said and now i know why we never implement hardly anything in the past plan that we had because we had made too many aspirations and not enough action items that were ready to be implemented or or directly directed the staff to do something to read all the changes so the ships are coming but in from line twenty six the line thirty three that that paragraph over there i just thought issues with that paragraph and i did too but let's just see if anybody else has any comments on that first page welcome it would anybody have anything on the first page ok on line  twenty three it starts with a tight knit community is mutually supportive has an array of and it just seems like it wasn't a good flowing sentence but me i don't i'm just thinking to get rid of the words we actually supported say that tight knit community has an effect of expertise and backgrounds because you're ok with that is anybody have any issues that we can make that change  and then again we're before i was talking about it starts talking about the economy and i know we went through this at the other meeting and we didn't like the word delicate and then you kind of like figuring out something else to say and he came out with a diversified i mean i don't really like that word and diversified because there is a lot of things going on in this island i mean if you're looking for a job you would have to figure out what i mean there's a lot of different things you could possibly so undiversified is too strong of a word there i think we need to change and they be just what we're really talking about is our economy is is limited and stable just because of the size and everything that says so for lack of a better word we could use the word limited we have a limited economy rather than an under versified economy is everybody ok with with  jobs over here we're always blaming the economy the economy is not the economy's not that we don't have enough of this that but never no one ever looks at the other side of the equation to have a vibrant economy have to have a byron work force and i don't think we have a vibrant workforce here and the reason i say that is because well we have a white homelands which greatly reduces the cost of housing over here for people we have  we have a whole lot of public assistance and we have a lot of hunting and gathering and fishing so there's a lot of people that aren't highly motivated to go out and work whereas if you if you go somewhere like m you'll go into the store and the people are going to speak in english they're like from mexico or something and that these people came to maui because they wanted to work they work hard and they do the job i'm not saying we want to have that over here although i'm doing is making the point that you we always can't be blaming the economy for the lack of jobs that you have if we had a vibrant workforce we would have a lot more going on in this economy in my particular operation i can tell you that the people that i've had that work for me they want to work but not really because if they work too much they're going to lose their welfare and they're going to do this and so we really have a of you know and so at some point it says in this plan that we have to be accurately identify the issues you know and so at some point we'll least have to recognize and it dips in here that one of our problems is generational  welfare and i think that's true and and so i'm not saying we have to do anything right here but it's some point we have to address the issue of trying to work with our workforce that we have here and create better incentives  of the wise i have a watt wall going through my property that's a mile long there is there was no backhoes there was no dump trucks i mean these people carried all this stuff i mean it worked very very very hard and so traditionally we have that we've just lost it we need to bring it back and i and i think it's some point we need to you know address that in any way there's other places that we can put that in so that's  i don't know if it's better for me it comes down to and this may not be the best example but a larger company for example realize economies of scale because they have to buy more which are and when you buy the cost per unit drops so that's they have to condom use a scale president he has a small company and it had to buy the same things and not buying as many it's more expensive but again it gets back to the co op where just one other places where they have bigger farms and you're growing you know about thousand pounds a cucumber is easier to push those if you have a hundred pounds or cucumbers you can go to costco and sell it you can go to costco with a hundred pounds or cucumber so there's some benefits but i don't know i mean you feel like you want to take that out or you want to leave that anybody got a comment on that new members and then nine sixty the center of the settlement pattern along the east coast which becomes more rural and whatever if you can just take out which i think then that makes sense to me i concur operation where the cost per unit of output generally decreasing with increasing scale as fixed costs are spread over more units of i'll put so essentially here the point left out is the scale of the operation so if we have a diversified economy and we have those different i would hope that if i rented a car would know that this sixty thousand d l on the island is a sad soul i think is just so you can go on and on what is your festival hall look i just wanted the i think that you know that point has merit because one of the most interesting things about mccarthy is the high percentage of wines that actually live here and that's not included in the past facts and probably should be it's a pretty you wanted to reference you know the fact that you had a lot of deer on the island because it is an interesting fact given that some of the islands have none so i don't have a problem including that stuff in the fast facts where you have any other ideas stuff you'd like to include  or one six you want to speak to the will hundred laurier you have the purpose of identifying what new just right down to five what some of the new requirements are you can i just say that right there up in the front row this is the reason why this isn't here because it's new and it's different know maybe maybe it's not abundantly clear that the law changes new requirements of m c c two point eight zero b but the general public doesn't know that that was a lot change or something so maybe you could add a word to make it a little more clear that the law changed just a quick note i mean part of the reason for this too is it's a question we get all the time and you may as well already why don't we just take the old plan and add a few lines an update instead of going through this whole process we get that question what's wrong with your plan and then we have to explain that can we have a totally different server requirements now so it's helpful i think for you for the committee to understand that you may be getting these questions from people and so that's what this is laureates attempt to explain that yes the law is changed and these these are the things that we have to deal with now that you didn't have to before which is why the plan looks different than it from the previous for well we tried to do that here and so this is in our our changes here are not reflecting changes in the law that have happened with this our better understanding of why was previously required in the plan this is correcting an inaccurate statement correct so there's only four new requirement for best advantage of them in order to create a more sustainable livable future and care with that we go into the problem and i thought was kind of short for i mean the things that was a priority in the first pointed out to me is not sometimes on one per day right now i don't know what crowding and generational welfare i say prove it before you put them in my plan because it bothers me that you saying point we added this because it's blue an underlying work of brewing on the line it means that we recommended revising to put their india and we said these because of these challenges i say just prove it fight it i don't know where cited and then i'll be happy i mean i'll leave it alone but until somebody can prove it to me then i'm going to have  feel comfortable about that most significant problems facing the community lack of economies of scale again and economic diversity and therefore less job when he said it's not a lack of jobs it's a lack of a five or more workforce but to a certain degree it is you know what i'm saying here mark i mean we can agree neither so maybe the wording has to be changed because i don't think we can blame or you know nail the soci to not two separate things i mean economics is one problem and the social issues is are not a problem i don't see how the you know actually i kind of agree we're colliers i know we're warriors protected night but i have to say that if you are you kind of you're well ron vibrant economy you're going to have less social abuse issues are going economy that did have these issues the short breaks over ok so we have a situation here that this wasn't in the plan this is something that we suggested to put in the plan and so now there's you know there's differences of opinion of whether or not we should leave it in or take it out and my feeling is maybe we can reword it leave it in because it is important i mean there definitely those are some of the problems that we face on this island but we don't have to directly link them to to the economy because you know there's a lot of you know you can look at all the while to do actresses and actors and they're all on drugs and so it's not necessarily a direct link  to laurie a rewording option it looks like in the heading of online one does by any team it includes socioeconomic characteristics so we're seeing is there's also other challenge and a separate that if we just put polkas challenges that contribute to the occurrence of substance abuse domestic violence crowding and generational welfare we separate from socioeconomic so my question is if we reword the sentence what do we do to the heading on a to include other challenge well i think a is you're basically talking about the economy and she wish we could just not bring all the social ills into our statement about the economy and we can have it as its own problem on mochrie rather than directly linking it is everybody ok with addressing these socio challenges without putting them in that but in that in that paragraph and directly linking  had no activity no we can amik activity over here you can find place the park on a saturday morning kind of guy so i don't think we can say that there's no it there's you know we have to reword that again so maybe again the word limited or something rather than a lack of  social economic issue seems like you might be able to come by you'd be somehow i don't know unless somebody else got most you want to have her own title for that low x education right i thought you were going to make it category ok then you can make that they didn't come up with that we came up with that and they went back to our recommendations and they put it in so now we're questioning our own so what do you guys want to do with this particular passage here we can either try to reword it or eliminate it or previous twenty year you know one of the changes is that they're coming back as adults you know they're not coming back right after high school so you know so that different return to college because employment the wages cost eight hundred fifty thousand dollars you know it's easier to survive elsewhere them ok so that is i think that line is to choose not to degree a lot of what you struggle to do you know education after high school i'm ok i don't know but maybe do not think you know the ones i do see so it sounds like we're substantiating everything that we're that we read in this paragraph so i mean with this i would i would like to see us maybe table this for now i think there's an opportunity to get some feedback from we have a deal you complex office here with some pretty good ministries that could be provide a maybe a better frame sentence but that could support maybe even statistically what we should actually be saying because  that would be one good perspective the second thing is i'd is that we have to look at there are sources to it are kids here i'll i will say that most kids are succeeding and going off to major institutions is the exception not the norm and i don't believe it's the fault of molokai kids in tears parental support there's all of our socio economic issues but we do have a tremendous amount of opportunities so a lot of the systemic i mean i'll come right out and say i work for the government so i'm on  a trouble but you know we can do a lot better job and so the system is a great part of our kids not succeeding and so that's a huge problem and they want to supplement three education takes place on this island it's done by coupon  other stakeholders so it's a collective problem and i think that we're seeing a very low potential a very excuse me a very low amount of kids that have the potential to succeed educationally or choose whatever path they want help back so i'm thinking the thing is education level  i would reword that yet like the i think it's counterproductive having a plan a low education level it just doesn't come off well i mean if we get rid of below it get rid of level and just put education that it just doesn't you know it doesn't have a connotation attached to the title and we do have a couple of teachers here do you want to you want to tighten this up and say something here talking about how many people get their college readiness you know decrease and all of that if you're going to compare to the ratios and we're not that far behind the others we have high and middle and low and it's the opportunities that our kids have so really i don't know about that one thing i would mention though is being that our island is the way it is practically speaking it the best for us to start looking at two more vocational type training on our island for our kids because many of them want to remain here and they're you know we're not college ready for all and we do prepare for college for all so that's my final question and i think the other issue that you can throw into this mix that here in moakley our heritage is important and so we have why an immersion program where all the kids learn in a home why and so they're not necessarily going to be as college ready as someone in english because they spend a lot of time you know learning you know university then that so it might bring the level down a little bit because you know we have a lot of kids that go through the process all in one and not in english one of the things we do in immersion is make sure that there is no significant difference in our students results in state tests so that's you know we work very hard to make sure that there isn't that ok yeah go ahead we can take them i think that it deserves the attention paid the problem being our resource our resources on marine resources because this island is a very unique in the fact that many of the people here unlike other islands have to depend on subsistence  you know fishing and farming and so there's been a significant drop and that's all we have data played out in in our ocean resources ocean farming and so i don't know i mean if you want to put that in but it's a big problem for you and you know we've seen with recent events that you know the population much of the population here but it's in yeah three of four chapters three and two and three rather think there's a chapter three and chapter three yeah it's in there and so that's a good place to address their concern is anybody else on that page one day actually water chair yeah go ahead but you know the community input we just heard is it's kind protecting your marine sources or planning for climate change i think he went to me protecting his marine resources or if i tell him protecting your fish you can eat them are you more concerned about can tell me he put the his fish sauce he just brings up a good point about resources even though we dedicate one whole but that's the problem i having i think for all of this is the priorities all in a front row in a plan that goes to somebody who doesn't know anything about us and we said right up in the front row this is our problem and then we go from there but back to water again we'll get to that second i mean that's really the meat of the thing when you get implementing actions and you're trying to get certain agencies to do certain things that's where this thing really has you know that that's where it has he is and that's the time that we really can put what we want to see in this plan this is some burbage that you know that people can read through just to get generally acquainted with the situation over there i have an issue on that water infrastructure down at the bottom it talks about the cost of storage and distribution infrastructure it's as critical water issues include the cost of storage and distribution  i guess i mean i don't know maybe that's ok i was just looking at storage in there i mean how expensive is the storage because it's really the cost of distributing the water not to have it sitting there i don't think you want to  say about that yeah i can answer that it's outrageously expensive because storage you need to think about you heard brian talk tonight about the reservoir side that's the type of storage the size of the reservoir the lining in the reservoir all those various issues associated with the operation i mean as a reservoir then you also heard talk tonight about tanks and someone else talked about tanks so storage is talking about tanks maintaining tank cleaning tanks they have to continually be certified by deal they go through a quarterly deal which comes here on a quarterly basis and looks at various pieces of infrastructure and you have to keep up that infrastructure and there's a lot of costs associated with meaning creating a building in designing it constructing so it's the storage is referred to everything such as tanks or stations and reservoirs and then distribution gets into your valves and your s your p r of using your lines and those sorts of things in leakage in the in those are all associated so it's talking about the skeletal system of the water distribution system yeah and that's that's fine we can we can leave that does anybody have anything i want eight are now going to one problem i mean that's why i think that house that sent that stuff to be joining to the last line of that same to let them know that even though you see we saying that we have sufficient water supply which you never want to don't have so so you have any specific recommendations how we could i mean is it ok the way you would you like to change in some way  with the subsistence fishing gathering i really do believe it should be a problem section on its own so the only i would see if we my recommendation would be subsistence fishing and gathering and then overfishing and gathering and a lack of island language that was in on page one dash nine line fifteen rajan sedimentation i took the end of that that paragraph and melded into that statement i can repeat it if you need to email or he does anybody have any issues with that in that into one of our problems on the list it would be in there is most important one of my cohorts or suggested after deal after transportation and that's fine with me anybody got any problems with that scene than let's do that he can you read that is one more time for the record ok a separate section that read subsistence subsistence fishing and gathering and the statement would read over fishing and gathering in lack of an island wide resource management plan having a having is having detrimental effects on fish really move and other resources which the more high community depends on for subsistence fishing and gathering thank you  to see if we can get a consensus on that i mean we have a lot of problems on this island i mean we could spend all day coming up with different problems that we have the question is you know i don't know is that on the top of the list we're going to really get major problems with looking at i mean that's definitely an issue i think should be addressed in the black the question is again it's already addressed here or is it in section current section f it's a for you down on line anybody else on that page is always thought as a huge issue and problem but it's not so much as a huge issue it's a problem with regulation for you to get involved in transportation it's an issue for the smaller like we talked about getting our own barge in there and then follow that was so heavy heavily regulated that it was impossible to do so you subjected to whatever you get by plane in b regulated by the p s c which basically generally does what they what they requested so that's one of the issues that the lack of i think competition so there because the sea is limited to just just young brothers i mean there is multiple ways to get things here we have that actually fee as a market share post office but the bulk of the stuff comes by can lie twenty six we're talking about there is a lack of entire the land to build new houses it seems like there's quite a bit a lot for that are available that still could be built on so what it says there is a lack of a tile land to build new houses new housing i would rather say there's a lack of entire the lad the bill affordable housing osion was caused by development i mean lack of attention basins on projects a large large project people like the new fire station you know we had to have management plans to keep all of our runoff on site and keep erosion from there's driveways east in the non compliant with a lot of different laws out there and every day when it rains all that still comes down these these siltation rivers and flow into our ocean and so  i don't necessarily think it's developing in the sense of building houses per se as more of the wayward we are developing causing  know and i'm not disagreeing things are being done the way that the should be grading and development is one of the more regulated activities in the county so mitigating factors that are put in the place that are required without any review of them that are already in place all the things are there we're not there wit are creating problems they get cited and they have to correct it but there's a lot of things that when there's complaints there was nothing done about it because when by the time i get a phone call it's because they already called the county and nothing was done so then you know if he asked you to come not for farming maybe maybe what would be more accurate was would  clearing out the stream oh well that's a good point so what if we focused in on erosion is caused by runoff and in the run up a number of non best practice land use activities that's what i'm focused on where you say because we're dealing with here you're correct i mean it's highly regulated today we're in if you do it correctly then there's your design to be problems but the reality is nonpermanent in the past right so it's not best practice it covers everything right well well until it's going to flood that is going to go into the ocean you have any concerns of what to do with that if not we'll just leave it the way it is and really visit the somebodies got some idea they're great if you want to speak to that i think i think gloria is a good point i can accept what she put there erosion is caused by because it almost started doing nothing sense if you take all the rest of this stuff out i mean obviously a rose is caused by a run off and land use you know i mean so i mean not really saying much so i don't know  all right well let's let's move on since we can't really reach a consensus on that or well the last sentence and was already reworked into ocean resource issues so and then in the middle here there's that's just not saying how you're going to solve it so i was just we just rework the whole paragraph to something that's all natural resources and erosion and something specifically ocean resources and subsist long long high to get the ball rolling i think there should be some consideration for the developer for people who are responsible for the project because there's a lot of money to just wait and wait for a decision  sometimes i think the permitting process is is grueling for good reason because you want to make sure that people comply with the law and stay within the law you don't want people building  and if the permanent process were easier you would probably have better control and people would actually come in last but the in the north then were shocked when they come in from the planning commission oh my goodness i built my car for it legally you know but when you get in a land you section that's something definitely to address there as well so i mean as you brought up a point we have a section on housing here and and it does take a long time of years actually and as i mean it takes almost an unreasonable amount of time here permit through so i mean we could put something like that in there we have when a title means and have consistency of zoning and we have a building code that allows for certain types of structures to be built now would be administered in nature so the plan doesn't cover that with the exception of lana thomas that would that be correct  mary ministerial of means if you just meet the requirements of the code you have the height you have the proper materials you're using concrete with the right amount of rebar you can you're stuck back you're good to go  there is a lack of entitle land to build affordable housing really the new housing but there's a lot of stuff that's already in title that hasn't doesn't have water and so if we whole bunch more stuff then what oh well i mean it's one of the issues with the county right now i mean you can subdivide and expect to get you know water permits you know i mean where are you  our game thing else and i paid at the very bottom of that page it says as noted in the molokai future of an island the vision for the island is based on the values o and it was scratched out and i think that's because someone in your head questioned whether or not we should have that in there but that's something that somebody is but you know a lot of members of this community spent a whole lot of time but that plan together and i think we should honor him by at least having that in here so i would does anybody have a problem with leaving that in the anybody got anything on this page ahead culture and resource cultural resources and tradition that's kind of our area so i have it here just as a public place and in that one  it seems to be that in the category of cultural resources and traditions and half that paragraph is devoted to you know how culture and  tradition can help tourism so while that may be true and it looks like a good thing i really think the category should remain cultural resources and traditions and i really like the part that is struck of it they never had a name and it came out of an ancient chant that i helped to translate that was even unfamiliar to junking the call because of my connection to the language and culture i knew that was correct and the way it was found was very on special think you will for that but nevertheless it was stricken and it does anybody have any objections to leaving a bag in put it back in very see no objection let's go ahead and put that back in anything else on strike the second part or put that something else the reference to tourism under the current work i can understand to keep the heritage and the cultural things cultural in that section and not try to pull economics into there and then we can take that out and we can put it in a more appropriate economic section beautiful shrine dedicated to those guys that came from california and it's a shame that something is beautiful is like even the catalog church i mean there's so many maybe another player i agree you know if those are the kinds of things that add flavor to this place and give it you know a sense of identity on its own i don't know if we need to put it in chapter one in the introduction but we can put it in either the scen so it's getting kind of late so jan is it ok if we take the rest of another time or do you have any recommendations on that so our next meeting you know we have a pretty busy meeting so what's your take on when we can continue like with chapter two three and four you have any ideas on that so we have a review session the scheduled in august and september so that's when we would probably come back with two three four and beyond so our next meeting our next  meetings are scheduled for june third and fourth they're going to be long medium the third is like this one three thirty eight thirty the fourth is basically an all day workshop the third is  so on your sheet that work arrived on the table there comment sheets for chapters five six and seven and i will be covering the next meeting there is a location change and it is unfortunately not on the schedule that was just provided because we just had to change them again so i'll send out another schedule center in mind or both those meetings are gonna be at the elementary school cafeteria on a friday so bring your cushion believe my understanding is that smaller than that  she says there was also an issue with whether they would allow us to use it or not it's not a children function our land use one of the conversations that we will have a staff had to do with our coastal zone and flood elevations of things of that nature in talking with some of the stuff that may be a good recommendation to bring our county folks over the specialize in the flood insurance program and see if they could give us some up to date information on maps and and coastal zoning with regards to our land use that this sea pack will i mean that's ok with me it sounds like it makes sense with the blending part and that's that's fine if we can pull that off then  give my second i mean i do i do think that that's an issue i'm just not also sure that it's an issue of the wee boy you know i development she quite frankly is the county representative dealing with then a five piece that's not going down that rabbit hole no disrespect but it's ok here's what you can and can't do and here's what programs are out there and terms of relocation are renovation  issue so it is a local issue it's our problem including of the things that we used to think the army corps of engineers will take care of they don't take care of anymore it's our problem so in this room we start to address things like land use and zoning and where these buildings are going to go if we don't address  here then nobody is going to address it for us here apparently not so anyway i see what steps putting together for the workshop and it's going to have a lot of information regarding how much so that pretty much gets is the end of the meeting before we go let me just make a point that it seems like every meeting we're just barely skimming by with a quorum so you know just make a note you know try to do the best you can to arrange your schedule c can be yours so we don't delay the process any any further than we have to members anything else before addresses meeting the county do you have any if anything else ok then we'll see all of the at the next meeting on