do what so that's kind of just we're just here to look at the spreadsheet will look at look at look at the world so i know independently we've all kind of talked  is water and waste water there's roughly five hundred units for water and slightly less on waste products we have a number of water only accounts and this is what the there pain right now in saudi five or five seventy  these are these are including the half units so that's where we are right now and then kind of another way of going is as what we've talked about with these or so this is what i know you guys have seen before so we've kind of split it out between our for residential  l hide the names to protect the innocent so it's a candle in the yeah right of the cd is commercial that's a new one you guys haven't seen the candles part of one of the variations so as you can see under residential we have three hundred fifty one residential units and what this includes is is you can see these two above these are the richmond housing and kind of the richmond terrorists so there are sixteen individual units you know and then you've got you know again these are the multi unit residential only connections to equal three hundred fifty one ok the commercial to the best of our ability we figure there's one hundred twenty one now this is one when we're going and counting the individual commercial units inside of a connection so one meter or one connection into a building counting the number of individual rented units in the so just to clarify so the one twenty one is really those separate units but the residential units is still somewhat fuzzy now the resident i'm where i think we're pretty i'm pretty comfortable with the residential that there's only one or two that that may need to have some flushing out so i'm sorry so just to sort of keep walking into the wall so but for instance a building with four apartments is four and that is the three fift you're one of the things we have to figure out right so soon this is this is kind of the approach that chris and i have kind of gone down the road of going into a connection and counting the number of unit in there and not just not differentiating between the usage of those of said units was under still confused because i thought the three fifty one the residential unit i thought it was well over four hundred  maybe exactly ok so that is a connection that feeds soley our residential property ok now yes we have many more residential units in the community maybe another fifty residential units that are associated with commercial i could become full saying at least fifty but that's not captured that we haven't and we haven't gone to that next step because this is just counted from what we have historically take her current so ok so again what these what these are values here are this account has one residential unit and bother that one meter equals three residential units so we have separate accounts in the residential units but still perhaps not the right count in the mixed commercial correct so so there are a couple that are somewhat but probably not a change where i'm going is how much or how accurate do we have to be to get it right sure of the research so one twenty one is i say we're we're within within half a dozen o so i mean in the grand scheme of things less than ten percent if ten percent i think we're probably five percent right now again what we're saying in this and what's going on right here is that a meter that feeds a commercial building the entire thing is commercial we could change right we could change our opinion but but that's that's a start and that's the starting place schools government and the four here for the government is actually this building so there are sort of four centers in this building that's how we came up with that number and then the other is our library rack cetera  that's where we're going to go next this gap this good baseline because it's not the just to illustrate it the numbers have gone up i mean we used car for three hundred twenty users right our car from three fifty one so the total number of units is four eighty three so if we were if we were just to go straight up units that's actually less than the number of year use that we have now just like five twenty roughly five hundred yeah so that was interesting  nine scenarios now but they actually break down to about three approaches three and a half approaches and we can have a discussion on those and decide which way we want to go and then well and there's actually more because kendal series it's going to take a minute to show up but so the difference and i showed you kind of my you know we saw chris my breakdown where i just kind of like plugged in numbers to get to kind of close and then chris had kind of a similar approach but different different numbers i took a hybrid i took a hybrid where i said all right what if we what if we do this based on usage which amy you were like well if the residents of residential connections use sixty five percent of the usage then shouldn't they pay sixty five percent of the budget and i said well let's see what that looks like so today i get a percentage share residents use roughly sixty five percent of the water sold and commercial uses twenty seven and the government is one the schools are seven ok so that's how it breaks  down and then plug in the units and kind of went to see what the what the actual if you actually did the like straight up numbers if you just did the straight up division when i did seventy percent so what this says is the seventy thirty split between the base and the flow so seventy percent of your of your budget is fixed is your base charge and thirty percent is is the flow so that i'm sorry that's a hybrid yeah and that was in your original one is is the fire water wood is the fire it's the value of providing fire protection and water available to i actually asked a question before you got here chris before the meeting  exceeded average daily demand and since we built a fire hydrants i'm assuming that there was some discussion at the time about capacity in the tank for fire protection so what i'm after is th into the fire water scenario so the fire water scenario would be ten percent of the of the water revenue being built to the town oh ok but but otherwise in terms of structure  chris is we have the water budget we have what the water would budget would be minus ten percent and then we have the waste water and you know a couple of different basically that the ra changes the or influences subsequent elements in the equation so just as an example ten percent a firefighter would be twenty five thousand gallons and ten percent infrastructure you know what is interesting  e i'm going to be if i'm like it will get ahead of myself but i think when we start to look at this it'll it'll get a little bit here this is going to be tough do you want to drive you and me to drive i'm just trying to get it so that we can see it right then leaves a different value i just did it ten percent because that was like twenty seven thousand dollars it didn't to illustrate that somewhere some of these decisions are arbitrary right but an arbitrary decision early in the creation humanity to be different you want to get out the old system and then the next is that you're seeing are those low usage multi unit connect multi unit meter connections so like this one right here is a relatively low usage three presidential one residential someone doesn't actually hear it actually it is my distinct memory in public comment this we've heard multiple things and there was a group of people who said that there was a group of people to some extent it was tracking where they were local units in the building and and most of the rest of the well except for the current which ignores a and b per gallon rate which essentially tracks the current r they are actually for my mathematical head said it would seem to me that some of those units are just like the single family way or the far left and the other ground they don't use very back and then when you get through through you know these are all offices more or less you get a restaurant this is where we have the other really difficult thing because you've got restaurants in this range that co exist we don't want residences to be subsidizing restaurants but we don't want to run restaurants out of town either well and now i think the way we did this would really be is that there's a question about how to straight this way and if we do that and it seems confusing all right so five ten come on it's in here i know it is you've lost it that's ok right i've lost you at roughly thirteen hundred dollars a year you know ok moving across under my proposal you'd be about eleven hundred dollars a year sorry that we haven't talked about kindly i'm sorry under my proposal you'd be a little under eleven hundred dollars under kris's you'd be a little under twelve hundred under the hybrid you'd be again a little under twelve hundred under the  firewater you'd be kind of between mine and curses which is understandable and then if we want with a street perth thousand gallons you'd be the highest you'd be the highest among all of them at fourteen hundred gallons and just so we're just now there are estimated bill is six hundred dollars and it's on the current point that's the point five year it's approximate current bill under undermine it would go up to roughly scenario forty percent of the budget is being captured with the base charge rate and sixty percent of the budget is being captured by the flow so it's rewarding those low user yeah it's helping out those low users whereas mine i didn't like two years ago approximately two thousand dollars ok your bill under two thousand and fourteen current is roughly thirty three hundred dollars a year we're talking annually to  longer three you know don you're going to be four until you're no longer four that's that's the kind of concept of that but the flip side is that when we do that it means that if you can serve a lot of water you're i know we want to get to our restaurant right and yeah what we're getting there just a logical route so it'll be the most stable approach we could possibly have is to divide the total budget for the number of users everybody in the system dynamic is nothing on a few minutes it's all program and then of the stable so you have these two approaches the sit ins and where we find ourselves and what's the balance in the middle which is the compromise or balance between stability equitability and affordability and he did he did one less thing to that which is we also need to be looking for where we are now the future and if we have absolutely nothing in there about what will happen is up exactly i'm i'm going to pick on him so under his old the old belt he was roughly fifty four hundred dollars kind under the proposed he'd go down to roughly seventy one hundred under chris's he'd go down to sixty roughly sixty three hundred and under the hybrid he'd go down this roughly sixty five hundred have some people on the residential side going from six hundred dollars a year to eight or nine hundred because we have to make of the directory we're going back to where they were ten years actually seeing that also marshall is you're seeing there's a lot of was and trying to liberate things on both ends is trance a all right we recognize that on the on the high hand side is you high users got hit we don't want to drive you out of town we also want to make sure it's sustainable so so let's kind of do that see  for the public's benefit kendall shared with us thoughts on on commercial charges so basically keep the residential the way that we're going keep keep counting  let me give you some background and kind of correct me if i'm wrong so the background is that is is the state says that a single family home should be expected to use this much gallons of water per day so you should design a septic system to take x number of gallons and the old calculation was four hundred fifty i've i feel like it's been updated to ten because that's actually what the drinking water units so instead of counting the number of units in that connection like this take christmas for example so instead of there being three units on her car she'll probably we would now say all right well what is your commercial connections by that to come up with an area it's kind of it's kind of what we're doing right now which but it's but it's a it's a fixed amount to come the about the old way of calculating as for example here green sea which took over the old richmond market is green sea is now in office these numbers were never recalculated to reflect that that being in office they in two thousand and twelve were still being charged as though they were the richmond market now obviously the richmond market is is much bigger and much different but here is an example of of us  meaning the town not keeping up with calculations and while something had to change and while i'm not saying that everybody is completely happy with where we are right now it is representative of of usage and i think there's some merit to to being charged on on usage and to go and then to go to a different direction as well you know what kend the water i cannot explain it or why it's not the same i can't explain it under candles defied his current current year two thousand and thirteen as a snapshot in time by four fifty two and under two ten he three that this value by three sixty five and divided his usage by this value times three sixty five and came out to three point four seven rounded to the nearest one equals the r because two hundred ten gallons a year is seventy six thousand six hundred fifty gallons it's a lot of water that's a lot of water that's more than double what the average single family home in richmond uses which is why doing it based on stage i'd still feel like that's the way to go but that's also why but what we would be talking about would be we talking about still a different class for commercial users is is there would still be a go to so it would go slightly up from where it was you know computers so and down so this was the challenges i was just throwing out numbers trying to trying to come up with something as a model so there could still be some fine tuning to the point where the where the commercial would go up more than what the residential because when we look at it residential actually goes up higher than both of ours well because you're now having less why if we if we have human if we went under ours we went and counted the number of physical units in each run each meter and that was a roughly one hundred twenty one plus or minus ok if we do it based usage based on a division of four fifty or two ten we come up with sixty five and eighty one because we're not counting individual units anymore we're doing it  right the richmond market and that's and that's kind of the next step on this discussion is is an office with two workers doesn't equal doesn't equal the hardware store doesn't equal harrington's and that's essentially what we would be we w is to is to the couple a couple things you want to be able to keep one of the by an office becoming a market or vice versa it doesn't throw the whole system into disarray just because a big change in the flow of water number two is getting knowledge of fact es can you talk about principles or so because i think that that is more of a driving factor then each of our individual proposals and what i mean is how much of our be divvying up the residential and commercial and government school based on actual work flow or are we kind of going at it some other way  residents use roughly sixty five percent of the overall water produced or water use ok and on down on down the road yeah that is the over the idea there was do it that way it just was a starting point but it's transparent and it's and it's absolutely you can apply it going forward which was what my hybrid table was was was this like ok the residents use sixty five percent of the water so now i want to figure out how much of the base charge has to come so in this in this calculation i took it to the budget and i multiplied it by sixty five percent and then i further divided it by seventy percent to get that seventy percent forty six not a percent and then i divided it by the number of units ok so that's a relatively straightforward like easy to understand calculation from way so chris is have to admit it was difficult to it was difficult to understand how how you came up with wanting to get sued here you did fifty five point seven percent believe it was but but it but you because you had the allocation in there as really meaning to the budget and that kind of threw everything off so i stuck with your budget with your percentages as they were and not link them to the more this is the missing ten thousand dollars yeah so so again if we think of principles if we think of because because principally we want to make this transparent and easy to carry  does that when he split up his base and flow for the residents he did forty percent of the of the budget while forty percent of the fifty five percent came from the base charge and then the rest came from the flowchart essentially it's it's what i would say flip to get in the way that you want to get your your revenue you know but we've already agreed that you suggested relatively stable and and people are unlikely to use less water and so the revenue stay stable because the idea is you don't want the majority of your revenue coming from variable sources when they are expenses are not variable and then further down the line he did a fifty fifty so instead of a seventy thirty like like  ok so so you know we can i can play with these numbers if if we want to go to a to a proportional based on what each category actually is a proportion of and kind of base that rate on that i can then fine tune because right now like i said i'm doing seventy percent of the sixty five percent of the budget is being captured in base charge and thirty percent in flow i can switch that and do th and do forty for example and then i can do sixty for example and see what that does so that in theory would drop the base charge for water by a hundred bucks it but it would increase the flow by five so twenty seven thousand dollars so just for process we can pick something randomly and hit it in the absence of anything else that i do think we need to on individual user bills as the redesign that we're talking about tonight so that it's important to get that done and then continue to bring in as much new revenue that's because this would be the word assyria in theory but we calling the worst case scenario is  can only get better from here so so what i'm hearing is is you guys kind of like this proportional the percentage of proportional now this may part of that's still part of this is about this budget it's built into the budget so here is our debt and capital area so so in right now in all this is based on the f y fifteen budget so the budget that would start on july first all of this is in advance of july first in theory is so this is this includes the reserves that we've currently allocated and the debt payments that we currently know we have ok get i think you know these are these are the things that we're grappling with i think the big to me question right now is what do we do about these commercial these these commercial that ha balance where we need to deal with the school the town their fire department however we choose to deal with those issues but i do appreciate the point that we didn't ask or negotiate with the rest of users residential or business we  i think we're people wanted to go it kind of africans were what seems like kind of a fair share so i don't want to like make it sound like we're going to ask them for permission but it is a sense well and let's be clear we're asking the pin more than their share going in and counting the number of commercial units in that meet on that meter connection in the number of residential but then i'm also i surely would candle say is is that are we going to go down the spiral into every year we're going to have to now go and do a survey of the system verses treating every commercial units as as unit the hub the alternative would  see so i mean the on the alternative is just say every every now commercial because this is this would be what other towns do is that if it if it's any commercial in that connection and it's one it's one and it's whatever th commercial fee is and then they pay whatever they're rated for the commercial that kind of solve you know then then chris at as a as a commercial and residential would be one and the market would be one and you could make up unit or one meter or your three apartments on different meters that somehow there starts to look for your or her so there's not an incentive to do one of the other increasing block rate structure for the for the commercial this but this is this is this is the christen area is is you run your business out of your house so it's you consider possibly a residential for our purposes we consider commercial so now your two  residential units are not going to be hard to commercial units and commercial rated significantly higher than the residential  having meter charge and then having a a higher variable rate than that much higher residential to a cooler way to basically say all right well you know even though the base rate is this is but this is also where you want to build the present moment so that people understand that if they use less they save money because that's what you want is the system grows you want people to be using the saving money and stretching want to do it here to like it but it's very easy to do we need to know how many you write so then that would that affect everything else because now we don't suddenly have more residential ok so that's one option option two would be to go in and count all of the units on that connection and count them all equally and we could actually so and so that's more feasible still hassle but ok you're not determining which replies to the reg the third would be to just it's a meet it's basically a meter charge that commercial connection is one so now instead of one hundred twenty one units or eighty one units we have fifty so that means that the commercial base charge is going to have to go up three i think it's going to end up being a lot of i think we will have to buy or you know the real key if we if we put it on the staff to have to determine whether it's a residential commercial account even though i like that i the principles that we talked about the question of management i think you raised a good question that's come up a few times about the listers and how we coordinate best cross the it seems like that's something we shoot for but so soon to all do we have consensus that that we'd like this for the commercial that we like counting the residential units and the commercial units separately on each commercial account and each blended account