project we are currently building on the mako portion of this project are our building our church building about two or three years ago because of unforeseen situations we realized that we needed more moneys than what we had already raised we realized also that we were land rich but cash poor and we were trying to build debt free we were blessed that we as a as a small church we had several options in which to raise the needed funds after much prayer study and discussion we made this decision though not a unanimous decision to accept the offer from  associates but compelling reasons for this decisions were two for one we would have the cash needed to build the building that we had anticipated second we would be able to help although in a very small way families that were needing and desiring to purchase an affordable home therefore we worked out a contract by which we were trying to tie the sale of this land to a one hundred percent affordable housing project we are praying that we have accomplished that therefore valley all fellowship is fully in support of this project and the stars it to proceed as quickly as possible in our conversations with many families we have seen their pain as dreams for a home of their own seem to be slipping rapidly slipping away we have also seen their excitement for this project as the dream of having their families grow in this convenient and centrally located site so we encourage you to pass this motion thank you so much for your efforts and for giving me the time community my name is sean housman and i've lived here with my family for the last six years and during that six years i've been blessed my family has grown i am now the father of four my twin boys who had just made a year today and during that time of being blessed with a growing family i am convinced in my heart that maui is my home and it is a hard thing to deal with the growing fact that you may not even be able to live in the place that you call your home so though i've been blessed i've also been stressed because as you know i'm the head of my household i am the provider and i have to worry about my family and its needs and i'm watching the place that i live in now which i've been renting for the last five years as rents have gone up my landlord has been very kind to us hasn't raised the ranch but yet similar properties that he owns right next door to us he's charging six hundred dollars more a month so i met his mercy and i know that sort of the writing is on the wall and yet when i heard this project is coming out my stress turned to hope and the idea that i might possibly be able to provide for my family a permanent place where i could raise my kids a safe place for them to play and to use their imaginations so it was exciting for me and so i urge you as you know a member of the community a pastor here in town to please consider this project and just know that there are many people there in my situation thank you  your mr chair and council members i want to thank you for the opportunity to be able to express myself on this issue i have lived on maui since one nine hundred eighty three and i've certainly seen a lot of the situation and the ongoing escalation of prices what i learned last night we have some friends in key hate and it's just two elderly people and they were actually forced to buy a house way beyond their means just to have a house and so it seems kind of ridiculous somebody who could afford perhaps much more put at the limits of their qualifications where as in a situation like this i'm sorry you couldn't hear me in a situation like this they don't need that much space and i'm sure there are a lot of other people like that and like over the thirty plus years that i've been here i've seen it continually go up there's never enough affordable housing and so whatever i can do to give i grew up on maui and i specialize in residential sales and property management so i'm very familiar with dollars in market and i'm here to ask for your support for the project it's much needed project so i guess i'm in here in behalf of a lot of my clients friends relatives that are in need of housing they are just one argument away from being homeless i have a lot of clients that live in multigenerational households where many husband and wires and there are children living in one room enough three bedroom home shared with their parents and other families so all you need is one of the largest developers in a seventies and eighties and so i've experienced it with sales for developers and i gotta add that for someone to offer a seventy three home project but we're talking this morning we had another this morning on this subject and not this housing development i don't affordable housing in general and i wanted to ask you because if you have background what do you consider the price  deal with homelessness and then i'm thinking how did you get it let me get this far where we got all this tent city on call area near the multimillion dollar condos which i'm supposed to be helping so also you know three new to five million dollars and then you drive a mile away and you have a tent city ok so it's an issue that we don't have here yet but it will eventually if we don't address that now and that's why th paying rent is the same as your mortgage when you pencil out all of tax deductions off the interest interested options so to me that is what a forward they're going to for the rent of a three bedroom home they can afford to own a mortgage also the biggest aspect is financing the challenge with financing today interest rates are low no problem but the requirements has gotten s should we be looking for as far as the start of the us were you an example that the young couple a teacher lifeguard i just helped them get into a home because they were being kicked out of their three bedroom home because it's being sold and they have zero cash ok so they come to me and we say oh you know what everybody knows about this well not everybody realtors know about it there are programs with zero down payment and let us the a for example is find the right home and that particular area where u s d a approves so luckily we follow and you know it's all divine intervention so we find one they apply and they qualify and hopefully we're you know almost at the surprised because the rates are so low it's below four percent now and the lenders are giving rebates rebates meaning you borrow they add a closing cost and proper a loan or they give you some cash back to help you find as your closing costs so sometimes they'd be surprised they just don't try because they think it's so they see five hundred six hundred thousand dollars home in their own even try to qualify but if they talk to certain loan officers and they county built a lot of affordable housing workforce housing treaty years and we had did we should choose where you had to live there for ten years before you could think of contemplate about selling the home well that ten years like that now we've just changed it to five and the challenge we have is we approve these projects they build a mild people buy in and then five years later or like great here and i could put got it right now ten years later they're selling it and they're selling it market reach so they taking it from the two hundred or three hundred thousand that they originally bought it internally for five six hundred thousand which did take stamford from what was affordable and what we feel is affordable to an area where it becomes difficult at bitch for young families or for families to qualify my wife and i would have a difficult time qualifying today for what we own no way but what i'm saying in asking you is talking about british affordable but thank you very much appreciate it thank you thank you good afternoon chair and council members and i do know all of you are very passionate about affordable housing because it's not like it's something that's away from the very much touches each and every one of your hearts my name is sandr recognized as a culture a culturally significant area and said plans call for setting aside thirty three acres is a culture preserved which would minimize the need to relocate burials there purse of asian area will have a fifty to one hundred foot  of marked off in landscape but native hawaiian vegetation and there will be a walking path on the areas perimeter he said only lineal descendants where the well be allowed within burial areas he added and i bring taken that and i bring up the likeness of mckenna when they started developing mckenna many of us trampled over the e p when we went camping took our dogs hunting i grew up there when they started to him implement construction there and the resorts would say boo today i have the privilege of walking through these preserved areas with respect and citing them and seeing them as will be done here manner also i a real estate broker owner i know of a z s a property whose license is now on ice i like daniel concur my firm dealt years is beyond the means of anyone that i know of that works for the city county or was a teacher like myself i'm done you brought up a very good point well working with these owners my son is one of them he could afford the rent but he could not find the down payment with the help of allen our car this council and the money that you allocated for first time home buyers we were able to help my son and you were able to help him by furnishing that downpayment ten year limit many of people in my subdivision i was blessed to get a county housing many years ago twenty one years and most of my neighbors has moved on but what i have seen that stipulation is they sold but they sold their family mothers and fathers moved on to either a bigger or smaller home and was able to buy again adding to the economy of this small little island but there by placing and making on behalf of face value mr franco will be followed by bruce  s come and taught or it mary to discuss the project before we give the full support this weekend i was fortunate enough to be to preach at my need them lumber and nails to build the housing to people on this island meet and with down following up on father demons requests like requests that we study for forty approving these kinds of proposals also read in the paper that was molly affordable housing project was withdrawn and heidi bigelow said in the bay for me to statement and i believe this is really true and i want to ask everyone here both the community and the government this is what she said community in a government really need to come together and decide where growth can be supported in moallem plan was intended to be  debt apparently is failing with multiple projects supported within the maoi and in plan not proceeding due to opposition and length of time required for approval we went through a process what ten years ago gla don't even talk about it right we there were recommendations made and we still have not done anything you know there's a cry in this community for housing that people can't afford and i agree with xandros two hundred fifty to two hundred fifty thousand you know you could beyond that is not going to be affordable we talk about the fellow government has a thirty percent of the total income to housing that's the maximum people of pain fifty and sixty percent come out we've got to do something i plead with you again to approve this project in it and ask the community out there to bring more of these projects to us we have to do something about this up is bruce to projects school fees are five thousand three hundred dollars to the state and you know i think about it that homeowner could use that five thousand two hundred dollars i think the fees right now currently foo and we still dealing with assaulting play and still stay everyone so i think at times you know everybody over think it's bigger we create the robots and i'm asking you guys to leave to help aid and minimize the ro to developer while they rode to a one l l c is proposing lot sizes that range between two thousand nine hundred and seven thousand square feet that department is in full support of this project as it is close to shovel ready and it's into stupid to break ground h thirty eight of the hawaii by statutes in the project will be developed with the following sales price guidelines in compliance with two point nine six point zero six zero  of the property lot a is owned by emmanuel lutheran church this is an aerial photo of the project's site the site is  project again we have a total of seventy lots as you know this is a private lee own road own by the way gardens homeowners association also proposing based on working closely with public works to provide a sidewalk kind of an upgrade sidewalk along fronting the proposed project questions for the police department goodman thank you thank you thank you very much for sharing today on the on the site map it appears that there's only one entrance and exit into the subdivision is is there a requirement or are you is there a concern from the department and having emergency access for us are concerned we always would be impacts to traffic yes so currently in that area with that intersection at five or six vehicles and then after that it's going to start backing up traffic so all we ask is that the developer have plans to address you know effects to traffic it may  to maybe if you could respond to any concerns on the traffic impact me as it is i think if i your question is that there's only our one axis is there an which will be probably get it off i assume so through traffic is not going to go back and forth in there just be reserved for emergency access only we're probably going to have to talk start sixteen point eight team b regarding the building's construction is and also i believe chapter sixteen point zero four c of the fire code as well is section sixteen point legal road because that's how the cold reads of our protection need to be along the frontage but if this subdivision is going to be approved in place then it would be kind of a moot point to put it all on the why ali street because there's no access to the homes there if they're going to put interior fire protection on the inside so the reasons why i'm here is to see how you know this is going to go along so i can make that determination during the subdivision process yes so we we are willing to exempt them from putting the fire protection there if they're putting it on the interior on the interior caracas look at very thank you we have any response from the developer s house slots for rather than putting in a regional neighborhood park because there's already several parks in close proximity of this project site in response to just a couple of comments and requests by some of the  requirements because it's one hundred percent affordable or residential housing policies are units it's example under eight hundred sixty three twenty from park assessment acquirements the developers just adding in this  privately owned and maintained neighborhood park right for just to help out and do that just obviously there's a standard and we're allowing the examination his or any of the concerns that we need to be aware of by allowing a supposedly i would assume is a lesser standard i'm not sure yes when we will be modified our standard prior to modifying our standard we allowed those two to one connections you can imagine if you have a blot bach age in that connection in the roadway now both houses are at risk back you know being flooded so that's why we decided to january each house had their own so that way you know who's to blame when they want that dual lateral shared lateral gets blocked whereas if you have your own lateral you're responsible for it and so that's why we modified the standard to do it that way because we had a lot of blockages it that and you agree with his points mr before you also you're stating exemptions from wastewater says assessment fees for a facility expansion mr miyamoto are you folks in agreement with i fall back to the discussion that we're having this more regards to win number college sidhu going to end the pain for this infrastructure so naturally from our department from our division they would like the revenue from our department we want to support these one hundred percent affordable housing so right now we're in support of the one hundred percent affordable housing type projects ok so you are willing to pick up the tab on him there needs to be  we have construction we think goes to a private a landfill sometime later on this year we're going to have all of that construction we've come to our central mali landfill for the waivers that you're providing here are going to be and are now going to be applying to us the first item is not a big deal it's only if you're going to do your private hauling yourself you need to be properly permitted so we have a five dollars permit so you it's a five dollar waiver slee you have to apply for a permit so it's an application fee the second one is the one for the construction waste coming to our landfill that's the one dead previously you went to a private hall and so we weren't really concerned about but later on this year probably when this project is on the construction it will start coming to the  to landfill and it's hard to gauge how much it's going to be because without knowing how much construction waste is going to be generated we really can't assess what kind of impact going to have  question are there any concerns from the water department about to be able to provide water to the project at this point no concerns for a central district it's first come first serve basis we tell the department of public works met with the applicant several times the first one on september thirtieth two thousand and fifteen to discuss the proposed project and again on january fifteenth two thousand and sixteen with other reviewing agencies comments regarding the department's review the project were sent to the applicant on january twentieth two thousand and sixteen and we noted the following and these are just some of the overall comments that we had internal roadways will be built to county standards but we also noted at that time that while the road fronting the project area is still under a private ownership as a side note i wanted to inform the committee that the owner of this section of a road has been in direct contact in communication and coordination with the department of public works regarding the dedication of said road to the county of mali said that is currently in process both the highways division and the engineering division also commented that the project include road improvements along the  frontage with why all the roads that includes curb under any code individual properties fronting while the road will be responsible for the maintenance of the road shoulder from their property boundary to the edge of asphalt pavement or the edge of concrete curb so this is in relation to maintaining your frontage areas and making sure that they are free and clear of any vegetation so we wanted to make note of that to the applicants so that they are aware that the property owners or the homeowners association would be responsible for maintaining the vegetation the department's we also wanted to note that the drainage will be taken to an existing drainage attention basin located to the east of y all the road and south of the project site the department in our letter requested that the applicant obtain written permission from the basin owner to process grading permits the department's engineering division reviewed the project's report and had general comments relating to frontage improvements a long road and improvements within the internal subdivision roadways the department also wants to know that the owner of the property currently pursuing a two lot subdivision of the overall twenty five point four acre parcel so that's the the large parcel that includes the church and the section being proposed four currently there is a preliminary subdivision approval and that was granted on april fourth two thousand and sixteen final approval is going to be contingent upon compliance with several conditions from a number of reviewing agencies with respect to exemptions being sought for the project the department is in general in general is in support of the exemptions relating to impact any kind of fees  department however does have concerns regarding the exemptions relating to title eighteen mali county code subdivisions as they relate to urban standards for curb gutter sidewalks for the portions of the project adjacent to why all the road to sidewalk improvements along street as well as exemptions progress from providing sidewalks on both sides of the internal subdivision roadways in closing i wanted to add that the that the department of public works is in very full support of affordable housing especially when it's built in close proximity to community services in facilities like this project and when the built environment encourages walking and biking to these places and provides residents a clean and safe community i am available for any questions that you have that they will be building and the sidewalk exterior of the subdivision along why ali road and i believe it was stated five feet is that correct that's correct ok and is that with by by doing so would that also help to incorporate the twenty thirty three and master plan a bicycle master plan central valley something that would interconnect at some point so what what's happening at this point with essential plan is we currently have a study under way to believe they're going past like cool i mean going right by a road and what you know so that's being looked at right now as far as what the that frontage would look like but we do we do have concerns regarding that exemption make something the project from any kind of from having to do any improvements along that the frontage of their property so you're referring to number three the urban standards for curbs gutters and sidewalks what specifically are your concerns that they're  not i guess we need to be met so when we see this or when we first met with the developer back in september of last year we understood that they were seeking an exemption from curb gutter sidewalks and you know in the phase of spencer development in the second phase as well but we also learned from those two projects that when you when you don't provide those types of improvements for residents i mean a typically that's the first exemption that goal is the sidewalks and that's always something that residents in any kind of housing development they need that in order to connect to community services or our retail areas restaurants and i know at times we think oh well it's only going to be that portion but when you look at the main the grand scale of things  know if you build that portion then that allows us to build another portion and then another portion after that so it's making sure that you know we we actually have something in place and provide walking and biking facilities to people that's really important i mean i see that every day when i go home i live on that in that area and i see mothers with strollers or even kids on wheelchairs so even if it's just that nowhere and there's spots that should be interconnected and and the reason why i asked about whether this was going to be an intricate part of the protests in bicycle master plan that central on has been working on is what we don't want to have to duplicate it you know go back and retrofit it later on we want to connect something that's going to be built and connected to the master plan that's my concern one of my major concerns is sidewalks and i understand where the department is coming from the families need sidewalks to walk to some place first safety reasons as well and my other question is this street i know that's going to be private at some point does that ever going to be dedicated to the county or is that because there are plans that we would be taking over that that middle street here at the current moment there are no plans to have that parchin dedicated however i believe there's a section in our code that would  require private streets as well to be developed in such a manner i want to note that the opposite side of street on the spencer subdivision does have curb cut or sidewalk or so and then it looks as though is the department ok with just the we were talking about the interior just having one side of the interior having a sidewalk that's ok with  in other projects we've allowed that to happen where you have one sidewalk on one side of the street that i believe in our code it at the discretion of the the director in recent projects we have been  we have been asking that the that the applicant or the developer do the sidewalks on both sides of the street and i come back to the need for it because when you're on one side of the street and then the sidewalk ends and you have to jump on the other side you need to cross so it does make a difference to that mom in a stroller or someone who you know has you know accessibility issues so that's one of the reasons why we you know we would like to require that are we want to maintain that requirement of having sidewalks on both sides of the street are the only exemptions because there are certain standards for sidewalks and the only exceptions that we're asking for we are putting in a sidewalk a long way ali that's what we work with public works the only thing that we're not going to be constructing is the group's in god it's on the separation will be grass and then the sidewalks that's that's the difference because with the department when we met with the applicant in september of last year this is one issue that we discussed at length and you know we suggested that maybe the cut the consulate consider something like asphalt sidewalk there's no curbs our gutters there and we thought you know we could work with that we could but again you know it's really up to the  body here to decide if that's something that he'd like for us to pursue i for the department you know where we are taking a firm stance on requiring these types of improvements but we do understand that guess if we go ahead and proceed with an asphalt type sidewalk or that allow enough monies to be i guess saved over the carry over savings to put into the gutter or the curb curbside cost a department to build it and retrofitting it later on there i think i think we can come up with a number that department can get and thank you back in it's and i'm fine with the county covering it maybe but no sense paving something over i mean what would it cost us to go ahead and do  it you know to to do that portion of any potential proper sidewalks probert curb and gutter and bike way oh along with the plan because you've got twenty two feet there so potential cost there because that would be what the council county is subsidizing for this affordable housing project we all want the affordable housing project but we also don't want to mess up the bikeways by  central maui bike way that extreme bike way section right there either put nothing in there until we actually do it or do our section right there because  i think it would be a waste of money if they put in their sidewalk their five foot concrete sidewalk and all the other stuff that they've got to do there and we're going to going to tear it out when we do the bikeway to i'm saying ok that's that's one of the but the more important one at this point is this whole two lot subdivision thing if the subdivision doesn't go all this is moot so why are we here now without that subdivision going in maintain their portion and then eventually for the affordable housing to be built at a later point when you establish the ownership so you have the project partners for further subdivision of the individual lots if that's the if that's the intent so at that time you're going to that's going to also trigger that's another opportunity to trigger frontage is taking a risk and they are willing to take that risk because the subdivision improvements that they have requiring is really a very administrative it's not a major requirements that can be some of the money so they can start their church so we needed to have the subdivisions to be completed subdivision so that the church can convey the property to the to the buyer which they have a legal binding  agreement so it's whoever can add to this is essentially a done deal there's no chance that the subdivision isn't going to happen there's no turning back roger believe that's what your question is to fast track it if they were willing to take the risk of putting in all the work and effort to do the toll on each application without the guarantee that they have the final subdivision approval they've got preliminary subdivision approval sorry it's like you said small things that they're confident they can deal with so to answer a question again just to get the yes going there with the developers willing to take the chance of going through all of this hoping that their subdivision gets final subdivision approval great thank you then mr if i may ask you mister some weird thing happens and they don't get this they get the two a one  and then they don't get the subdivision what happens to the two n h is it still available i mean is there still a fire and fire are very supportive of this project and so there are one of the condition is putting in on the pull of subdivision fire protection a long way on the road  concerns that is there and i think mr goodman had about the internal sidewalks as well because having lived in a in white gardens they have it that way as well and it is a pain for those that don't drive those trees drop really hard round see right now it would be right in the middle of the bike lane on the sidewalks is there anything it would be required to be on i know it's native plant and everything but to be on a sidewalk or even on the road those seeds are pretty dangerous dangerous in the chair that review is typically done by another department which for the internal roads they'll build it to county standards the provision of that sidewalk on one side in our cold i think i mean we're allowed to or the department director has discretion to allow just one sidewalks over cardless whether or not you know if they're i think they're trying to get an exemption from us telling them you got to do two sites but if they do one side you can still maintain that  that county standard ok and then with the french team and all that of the property that has no regard to what is a county standard  chair no it's because why all the road i mean that's going to be dedicated to the county anyway by another property owner so if they are exempted from any kind of improvements along why all the road it becomes you know it's still a county road i mean when and if we acquire it but the colony would have to be the ones doing the improvements there and shared just the know some curb cuts needed to be made on some existing sidewalks in the pili and that cost like forty worked on this plan for the last ten years so i have a good understanding with you folks what this was supposed to be coming up so i'm just saying that we're we're making all these assumptions again putting a sidewalk going nowhere nowhere that i have sidewalks and so you know for everybody to get all excited about this is not really what we need at this point the other part of it is part of the master plan is to put a bike week starting cry which extends from me all the way across to me that was all part of that master plan that we all agreed upon years ago and it hasn't come to fruition i know that we're still waiting first of all we don't even on the road a little nuts at this point all right now that i've got all that off my cherish thank you very much last few developments that we went through we exempted dos and right now there's nothing i mean at least if we build it at least there's going to be something that you know eventually maybe will connect up to it but i would rather see a very up to par to standard sidewalk with cutters on why alley and everything else i'm good with all the other exemption s that's my base conditions existing conditions and project conditions and with the project the level of service would increase slightly especially for that section on he and why all the road at peak morning and afternoon hours the level of service indicated in the traffic  report shows the level of service of which is still acceptable just the level of service letters just mean the amount of the kind of delay that you would have in passing through the intersection  one suggestion that we would have to mitigate any delay in that in that area is to for the project applicant to review and maybe recommend any adjustments to the signal timing and the road intersection other than that you know he didn't have any  state department you know i understand that but the backing up potential backing up of traffic yeah would still be fair to the state for there because they would be doing and it would be an improvement to that state intersection ok  extension of the turning to make it longer here at the current moment given the existing level of service there wouldn't be any additional  during one of our staff meetings to maybe take a look at the signal adjustments to allow for the that turning movement a more time for the turning movements to allow for the drivers to to exit out of that turn bad it does take a while but after a while the the traffic does subside in fact i had a meeting with staff this morning and we talked about that intersection and i said from seven twenty seven to seven thirty five that's the time when it gets  a little busy but any time after that the the flow is pretty easy to go through and i think part of it is everyone's just trying to get out at the same time but overall i think the area that part of my cup was a great place to live what i'm trying to do here is figure out how much maybe the county can share in something as long as they're building it right now no sense go later and put something again on top of like the second sidewalk if if it's something that the county wants to subsidize if we feel that this affordable housing which we really need and we if we really want the sidewalks then what's it going to cost and it can the county share in that kind of thing that would be a subsidy thing same with a couple of the other things you know potentially the sidewalks on the outside of wiley if we can get something like that because they can do it cheaper than we can do it as well as you know they gave already got the equipment there they're doing it on one side just do it on both sides and do we have the capability of contributing to that to help with the price of the house that's something that will not work i mean if it's something that you guys really think we need in the members think that this is something that that development should have then then let's put our money where our mouth is are those required as just exactly we would love to have obviously native shade trees but those i mean having lived with living with those now as we speak they're pretty pretty rough to walk on and by god and potentially even driving on the lead street trees are required as part of the subdivision process and we follow the guidelines in the wee county planted plans which i believe the council reviewed not too long ago so if the trees are in there and an applicant proposes trees that are in the planting plan then we would have a reason to tell them that they could plant their stree coach thank you i just wanted to he's heard our concerns and it's just you know when we see if we if they go in with those trees maybe we should consider the planting plant again next to sidewalks and major roads but if you can do that for trees that don't drop the pretty dangerous thing you know you've seen them you've been or it's ok thank you thank you big huge application unless i missed it i didn't see any actual prices at all did i miss that or of what are the prices of homes going to be prices are really based on four factors one is deep prevailing interest rates for example if the interest rates goes up the prices comes down so it's it you for example if you have four point five percent interest rate and you fall within the eighty percent of the median income for three bedroom the price list will be for a four point five percent interest four twenty three if you fall under the ninety percent it would be lower much lower than that again it's going to depend on the interest rates that educates the prices but you also mention the down payment the size of the downpayment yeah the payments bigger the price is going to be higher not just are the four criteria for the prices based on their guidelines you don't have the numbers in front of me that does but i'm generally speaking area median income if you're on that chart on the top right you fall into i believe this project is anywhere from eighty to one hundred forty percent i'm always of bedrooms one two three or four then you go across the chart for like a three bedroom it will be x amount of dollars at four percent for eighty percent x amount of dollars and it's different for well i know we're talking about single family homes here it's a little different from family but that's just an f why i think but those are the things we look at when we're setting these prices and i believe his numbers are correct that it ranges thank you but not the size of the mentioned size of the downpayment so i was little concerned and just to be clear it sounds like the low is low range is three hundred thirty eight k in the upper ranges of boards of the base that four and a half percent and find that hard to be affordable but i guess they got the math figured out prevailing interest rate goes up housing allowable prices go down so at four per cent for sixty percent it's it to sixty nine five at seventy percent it's three fourteen five eighty percent is three fifty nine four hundred so that was a question mr koch ninety percent is four hundred four three hundred i'm sorry three bedroom these are all three bedroom homes ninety percent for a for three hundred hundred four forty nine two hundred one  one for ninety four two hundred one twenty five thirty nine one hundred one thirty five eighty four one forty six twenty nine hundred for the income groups my understanding is eighty percent is sixty five thousand two hundred ninety percent is seventy three three fifty hundred is eighty one five hundred one ten eighty nine six fifty one twenty ninety seven eight hundred one thirty one five nine fifty one forty one fourteen one hundred those are the annual family gross income thank you very much gerri i'm a very simple person i don't i don't follow will of this percentage of income and all of this stuff what i want to know is more or less what people today by these people and remember that people they are listening to us today and the people that want to buy these homes are not realtors and they're not financial experts and we talk about affordable what is a flood of what they want to know if home is money that they cough up every a month three thousand dollars a month what is it give me a guess i realize it's a guess and you can you can   homeowners in each of the different categories so the price a little vary as they go up that ladder every individual family is different some have more to put down some have less some can get gifts from family some can't so it depends on what their and mortgage as up to be as far as a range based on these numbers you know twenty five hundred to three thousand is not under realistic basically just be principal interest property tax and homeowners insurance that you have to get and it's really hard to give a specific range just based on a lot of moving variables to their mortgage finance hud guidelines we don't get documentation with regards to their note or their mortgage just far as what the ended up paying again i believe two thousand to twenty five hundred is a fair average but we don't verify the i absolutely understand and if you want i can reach out to mr spencer and i can try and get those figures to see if you know from him if he has those you know with his company and we can try and submit those to get an idea of what the end result write that check and i did mug each payment every month and i'm sorry but i have gone through this horrible thing we family and friends who thought they were buying a photo book homes that lost you have then you also have homeowner's association fees and then you get other assessments that come on so you could add another four hundred to five hundred dollars per unit based upon that so and that's fact i'm not not buying this guy i work with those numbers all the time because i do insurance and all comes to me and i have to figure it all out still i could tell you if you got twenty three and five hundred you're probably going to pay twenty seven twenty eight probably twenty seven twenty eight almost every month and so that's a real number if you talk in real numbers to give exemptions to state requirements i would love to be able to do that but it's my understanding that a tourist three o two a one six zero three doesn't give exemptions for one hundred percent affordable housing and i believe there is one pager before there was a case saying that they don't give the exemptions and i recall reading that  ordinance also you know the way the county gets the power is through title forty or chapter forty six by statutes which has us or the powers as they relate to the colony so i'd really say  it's a policy decision of his body if you want to grant it we we feel that the support is there to defend the decision of this body thank you ok i just am fine with that i'm just really recall reading this year that that either is in the two zero one eight side or in but i recall that they specifically say loops sorry we we aren't allowed to do that because it was another project that was coming up  let me start again reception from section eighteen point zero four point zero three zero you see administration and section eighteen point sixteen point zero two zero m construction of the project should be initiated within two years of you adoption of this resolution and be completed within five years of the adoption of this resolution for purposes of this modification construction objection up the can would have it if it's acceptable eve seen is modification do you feel that you could comply with this because the second the last part is no time extension will be county side that's why i'm a little concerned about the no time extension will be allowed the other thing is if what if through no fault of their own they don't finish in five years what's the consequences initiated within two years it's pretty simple right they lose all their entitlements right if they've built sixty nine of the seventy homes and they started on the seventh year then five years passes i really don't know what we do at that point  i understand why they want the completion time in there though because the opposite could be true where they build one home and they don't build anything else for five years and that could be problematic also  for mr coach is it striking you striking the words no time extension will be allowed and that one time extension may be allowed by council resolution able to extend that is you know we never know what's happening we've got one that's been along it's go home and now four years four years none of the other one was stopped for two or three years so that's my concern why we've got to have an out if necessary so that's why i put it in and included discussion to the amendment of the and you know first of all you know we vented on a lot of issues and i think the committee for their concerns and you know this is one of those subdivisions knowing the people behind of me i have a lot of confidence it will get done unfortunately there are teams that will be on our way on their control that sometimes could occur and make it very difficult for them to complete this project on a timely basis sorting we've addressed that issue as far as the other issues are i believe all the department  working really hard on something that i think is really necessitated not only my commute anywhere anywhere in this county is this is just one of many that we need to get going with and again as is been said many times today let's i think you know we had a lot of good discussion today but i think he's constantly very committed floatable housing and i are we're in the mode of let's get it done and so i would definitely be supporting this and i county can work and i know this dog is not here if the county can work with the developer to get some amenities in there that they know the sidewalks that we need  and maybe contribute let's bring that to remembers and see if we're interested in doing that but i think i think it's a project that fits right into so i'm fine with it thank you i think you might like to show my support as well for the projects a fabulous project i think it's going to be built with by a developer that really does care for the community  and looking forward to seeing some affordable housing additional affordable housing finally built on that section of the community my only reservation as i stated earlier in the discussion was the myself just by item three three i'm going to reserve my support so in reservation i will support this to push it out of committee but i'd like to see some kind of communication or