again everybody welcome to another dition of time out for sports talk here at the belmont media center where we continue to be a belmont's first and only live all sports talk show lo these many years and decades we are still hanging around and we welcome to tonight's show on todd lonely hours it is wednesday april twenty sixth two thousand and seventeen and we're here for the next sixty minutes taking your phone calls at six one seven four eight four two four four three you see the number right there six one seven forty four two four four five like to give us a call from wherever you might be watching it whether you're in belmont watching on channels nine or twenty nine or if you're catching the live stream on belmont media dot org and you can call us from there as well we also are on social media you can see our network who of course he probably got laid off to make a bunch of other folks but they used to use that anyway one of the things one of the first things i want to get into before we get into a lot of sports and first of all if you're watching us live april twenty sixth yes the celtics and bulls tipped off game five at t d garden in less than thirty minutes we're sort of your unofficial pre game show and we're going to jump into celtics talk in just a moment i do want to start off however with the important moments we have a wonderful we have couple photos here to show th sauf this is the cassini spacecraft and earlier today or actually i guess as we speak it is passing through the rings of saturn this is the end of a twenty year mission that spacecraft was launched from our planet back in photos taken from within the rings and then of course the mission for cassini will conclude is it kind of passes into the giant gas planet that is saturn and it will just probably explode on impact by the way the reason i'm pointing out this picture see the little arrow down there in the lower right corner this is a picture craft took in two thousand and thirteen while it was orbiting saturn where the arrows pointing that would be earth yes that is so that little blue dot down there is if you were on the planet saturn that's what earth would look like a little blue dot and i just kind of makes you realize that  blow up while it went once it passes through that within the rings of saturn itself yes it's going to go inside into the planet and it will just it will hit the planet in explode so its mission is done to take a picture of far away no it was to take many many pictures of all the various moons they know they found water on one of saturn's moons now they're trying to figure out if there's actually like some kind of like one micro one of the condos going up it you know it takes six years to get out there i mean you know it's only been circling for thirteen years around saturn and all its various moons it took six years to get or six or seven years to get out there was a long trip i guess so yeah i mean i just you know what here's what i find most incredible but that's the way you have gas well  twenty year journey for the cassini spacecraft speaking of the end of journeys here well looked like after two games of the celtics series it was going to be the at the end of their journey certainly talk about the end of this celtics bulls series has not gone it's gone completely opposite is as i think we would have thought right because going into the series celtics of the number one seed in the eastern conference you know they're heavily favored or at least you know strongly favored against the eight seeded bowls and they proceed to lose the first two games at home and then at that point it looks like they're just about finished and you know and then you're kind of thinking oh my god the bulls are probably going to the celtics going back to chicago to all but then lo and behold you know the celtics win two out there and now they come back they've got their home court advantage to be the visiting team at this point what and how we know what is it that you know i want to see in the n b a playoffs i mean we're like eighty five percent of the playoff games are won by the home team i mean we're still waiting for the home team to win a game in the series hopefully tonight this was pretty strange with that we just you know a visiting team winning all the games i mean how often like i said does that happen you know usually you know you split you know might split home split away but you know again the home team is not want to game it this every now thomas sister dying they looked tentative they looked like they didn't know what to do how they didn't know like they didn't it's like their way in fries they had to eat the lead or not lead and they weren't sure and they were just kind of i think that's what cost him the first two games and then when he came back along with rondo being out there like we have to play basketball and they just played basketball and chicago played how you would expect them to play there not that they this is their team that does not shoot the i think they ran themselves ragged to do that i don't know what point they were trying to prove i mean you know it's great to have the number one seed but every other team in the n b a is rest in the play is the playoffs and the celtics are going full bore to get it so now they get it and i think they're a little bit gassed well you know a game played against other teams that have a rest and play as well they one of the go for the one seed because they don't want to face toronto in the second round if they get to that they would have faced are you going to get to the first one  i think that the celtics play attend every game in the regular season which means the three masters they don't have the rest plus every bradley missed a ton of time jay crowder missed a little bit of time yeah here yes i mean you know i think most of the celtics got rest and i you know it's a different kind of rest because they're hurt it's not the same as actually physically just sitting on the bench and watching things but i don't know i mean i don't know if i i totally buy you know that th you know i fought very hard actually if i remember correctly the celtics kind of went into the playoffs staggering a bit i mean they barely you know they barely beat brooklyn in a couple of games i mean you know i don't know i don't know how hard they  cleveland cavaliers know that they don't need a home court advantage to advance because they've got le bron so they can rest their play is why i don't even think it was just resting them i just think it times they just didn't understand the celtics needed to have a record yet this is the first round in the east were celtics cleveland who came in third to run though and then watching washington if you finish is the one that you're going to play the four five winner which is why it isn't you don't face cleveland until the third round if the celtics finished as the number two  time but there's a chance no i mean this is a they have a favorable second round match up with washington over toronto you know looking at what's the game in from the end you know if you're looking at two or three series down the road then you're not going to win anything and that it will be like hard for the number one seed i would argue with i think i think that was they were so hot at that when they got they were like and then said to congress come down and slap them i think and i don't like to i mean it was like i don't think that they were tired which isn't what he was going to play in the game at all i mean you know it to him if that's the way he can get through the grief to play fine but what happened in that game it was mentioned a lot after the game he played at an extraordinary level given the the  rest of the team like you on that particular night you figure the rest of the team would a picked him up but instead he picked everyone else up the rest of the team looked emotionally lost like you know for whatever reason i don't think it was really fatigue from playing too much down the stretch i think was more just they seemed to anybody who knows how to you know defend the celtics you noticed how he would you know i mean he ended up with like ford five steals i think in games one and two and part of that was i think he anticipated like he still kind of knew a little bit of the celtics off and remember he was the brad stevens first year for a while i think that helped a little bit i think you just you know he's a smart player anyway and i think he kind of anticipated what the celtics would do in certain scenarios that got him in position to be able to make make the steals and i think you know that and then the way he just of ran chicago's oftens which is obviously been missing in the last two games there often is right now it's just jimmy butler and you know i think that part of that too is they got him doing so much not only not only be in the trying to be that big score but he's bringing the ball up here to make the pla your point he couldn't work harder and it was basically was like you know going on the line there's one guy that's really good news it's like i don't know the rest of the guys so i'm going to go one on one and nothing i've ever done that but that's what it is and that's what it is eleven yes no one would be shocked and then the celts will win by fifteen if you choose to for a while probably yeah you probably will i mean you could clearly see the difference in chicago's office with rondo being out because rondo like a true point guard like any good point guard you know everyone else just kind of spreads the floor on the point guard finds them in certain spots and went without rondo i mean butler is kind of reduced to creating his own off and see how he's got to play point forward bringing the ball up and then everyone like you say they all converge on him and then you know somehow he's got to try to get shot off to what you know that's tough and make or say here's another picture here marcus smart and we can kind of talk a little bit about him he's been you know one of the guys trying to defend butler and you can see butler in that shot there and certainly the two of them had some words during game four which you know how i think so right because i think he is too but i know he has at least one you know he's definitely not a free agent this year but you know what your what your thoughts on how smarts played in the series i mean he's he's done a lot of things that don't necessarily show up on the does he did that all season i mean he didn't have big stat numbers per se but he always did the little stuff the dirty work the you know the block go take the edge you know make the pass you know it wasn't always the you know the scoring machine but played great defense and so i mean that's just way played all year so what he's do in the playoffs now it's just it's just the way he plays i thought he played very unselfishly in game four i mean i heard some of the media it's out there on sports radio one into rhythm and i thought if anything he was like you know he did take a couple of threes but for the most part i thought he was passing the ball off like he would get the ball keep moving it around and i thought he played a really good all around game and certainly he did it you know a decent job at times and defending and you can argue whether he's gotten into butler's had a little bit or whatever you know because of the you know words or you know whatever like i said we'll see if that carries over at all tonight and i'm sure it will certainly i mean what do you know and you know getting back to rondo here i guess i would ask you know what do you know they've said that rondo was definitely out for tonight what are your thoughts you guys thinking the odds he comes back for game six or seven i've heard some talk saying this injuries a lot more serious than how can the pro think that how can a broken them heal in seven to ten days i've never  arm wildly and i think he might have i think he said he might have struck like kelly a linux arm or elbow speaking of the wide so the wingspan there of kelly olynyk which we can put back up you know if we go back to the olynyk picture yes i think in one of the earlier games of the series  the one with one arm for the most part i mean he has a pretty high threshold of pain right you can you can set your shoulder you know it's just it's going to be like this but you can't set you they've got the momentum on their side and without rondo i mean chicago's often looks lost i mean you know there's been a debate you know how the celtics play well because thomas has stepped up in this playoffs unlike last year when everyone just like smothered him and you know thomas is not a great series but on the other hand you know what is it more is it more thomas playing well or rondo being out i i tend to think it's more rondo's absence not a knock on thomas who's played tremendously as the leading scorer on both teams in the series actually over twenty five points a game i think in scoring fifty six but would you sit there and say they have a great offer and the reason we don't say that is because they can't will themselves on anybody they score more points when they shoot better period that's a see and don't they don't have that and so if they shoot well they'll definitely win the in two games regardless of whether chicago does regardless of whether what toronto would do or washington when the celtics shoot well they score a ton of points ok think she well tonight nobody knows they're just a slightly above average three point shooting slight they're really average they just shoot a lot and they get you with volume when they shoot well one crowd is on well crime is a great offensive player never traded  he's great he scored fourteen points with everything else he does like here but he's got plenty of nights where he score seven and he goes three for eight and three for nine so we're going to do is he going to shoot you know five for ten today or is he going to shoot three for t opposite of microwave vinnie johnson then he joins it coming off the bench at the game is going and then he had stopped bobo both and he just score a ton of points right this guy comes right off right at the start of the game and does  goes back to my point of when they shoot well almost nobody can stop them but when they don't you will almost anybody can be anybody can actually green's numbers in games three and four he played a combined forty three minutes and he was like twenty three in game four and maybe he realized the office needed to start faster and also you know he didn't he wanted to probably take a little pressure off isaiah thomas you know he wanted have someone else out there on the floor who can create their own office and even at thirty one now and still has these moments where he could still do that i mean you know don't forget he was drafted by the celtics back in two thousand and five and you know a lot of people forget too he was a you was part of that kevin garnett trade with minnesota i mean the celtics don't win the title in zero eight and was gerald green but he came out of high school if you will ask him i think so yeah  gives them only one big in the force of chicago to only have one bag which allows which takes which takes the two big soft the court which help us rebound wise if it doesn't help us room it won't hurt us that's why i like looking back it really wasn't that big of a deal to take a mayor johnson i know because all you're doing is replacing like gerald green and they're bringing in you know they get nine guards that they play so it's now gerald green versus  thing but he's a seven foot do you know it's like a you know an elk on ice you know like he's so he can't really guard him so and then it opens it creates a lane and there's nobody down there to block any shots well the funny thing though is they said became i used to get emails from the website that would just give me plays and this and that and they gave brad stevens often it's like ok i know brett stephens offense by looking at it for five minutes  two guys the first two guys on the court of the guards they go right to the corner the other guy brings about the middle and the two big minh trail so once i knew that now that i watched and i saw this about a year and a half ago now i watch the games and they do the exact same thing passed the ball to the big guy was the big guy do and i want you to watch next time you know ok yeah he comes up in the hands of the ball off to the other guy come in and then they start doing their off and it's the same on france there's  kid had that shooting and the guys are open to him that's what it is you know you try to get them open and the only way you can defend them is to go man to man and i got you you get everyone and then if you can beat your guy off the dribble then they'll way to defend that everyone's got to run on defense or was going to run to and so what do you do when they go run pass it back to where they ran from the difference of guys to a j crowder or whoever wide open and even if they kelly lennox two for eight or smart two for eight he's going to wide open three jack up you by the way you briefly brought up about al horford in just should mention he's i think he's kind of stepped up his play a little bit here in the playoffs as opposed to what we saw in the regular season i know a lot of people want to knock him because of the big contract and didn't think he necessarily came through i think he was doing a lot of things probably more even in the locker room and maybe you know again things that don't show up on the stat sheet but i think he was a big signing for them and maybe he doesn't deserve wing he's just he's not your prototypical big guy or maybe he is today's prototypical big guy because he doesn't want to get down there and tussle down low in the pose of kevin mchale days are gone right yeah he's not that kind of big man but i think he can have a decent shot some time and i think he could be that kind of guy if you worked at so sick of him that's what he does best that's what he does best is being average three point two and can't rebound can't use his left hand watch the game tonight the second half when you go home and watch how many times he does a left handed la at all in the last no no he did not know that right but i think a lot of this has to do with match ups right now for this opponent amir johnson looks like he's useless if the celtics get past this round i think you will see amir johnson back to the it's the right match up to go with you know and you know at this point we could easily spend the second half the show talking about what the season because that's a whole other thing and believe me will say that for different shell though you know right now they're if they're fighting for the playoffs and we wish them well hopefully they get to get out of mentality for boston and you know he doesn't let the spin the pressure of the games of the fall that bother him and he just coaches they love him and i just want to see the guy succeed you know i do too i mean i think you know they say this is first run of the playoffs coaching becomes a little bit more important because you're you're you because you're playing somebody seven times in thirteen days and there's usually a subtle shift here and there to the strategy other series play out if you do insist like a little movie a little because you you have to because you play in the same thing you can't sneak up on anybody it's the same team for two weeks so yeah well hopefully they make it to the next round unfortunately when it comes to the overtime and if the celtics aren't missing three other top defensemen maybe you get a different result but in the end i think the salt of the bruins fought very hard and you know certainly it's the first time in three years they're in the playoffs i mean i guess can you take some solace in that howie that at least they were back in the playoffs and i mean i know you look at the rest of the way the n h l playoffs is unfolding you think it boy if the maybe had the bruins been able to get out of the first round i mean of all the rangers would have been a tough match or i did sour a lot of good i mean like i said they they were playing under me and they're playing with young kids like a mcavoy i mean they had a lot of stuff going against them yeah i was glad the way they played it was nice that they did make the playoffs i'm glad cassidy today was these chances at the number one rick you know the lottery system isn't waiting so it was nice that they get in because i don't think it would have made much difference to them if they didn't get into so i was like draft picks and stuff like that you know is f i think the same i think ratio wise it's about the same number of teams that make the playoffs that don't make the playoffs and i don't think that same number teams are in the lottery the n h l in the end of the n h l to even have a lottery they have don't they have they have a one i think it's a different  get in their name gets the word that they pick it out whoever gets picked out is first they pick first and then everyone just goes back one spot so it's not a mo so it's kind of like the old school envelope thing with the n b a they still do that they throw all the non playoff participants in a bowl and they draw one out and that team no matter where they were whether they were like a point out of it laughs or they have the worst record in the league would get the number one pick and then it all goes in and then i think this means that the rest is by based on some of the odds on i  and hopefully like the bruins can get one of two young mcavoy in carlow you know playing in a few of the guys can come back to they have enough score  bring him up there he is nineteen year old charlie mcavoy straight from a boston university when we when we did our show last month he had just played in the t d garden as part of the hockey stardom and b you're losing in the semifinals here we are a month you know this kid looks like he stepped in nothing seemed to face him or you guys thoughts i mean i know it's only a handful of games but he looks like he could be something special it seems like everyone you talk to who is seen this kid play thinks that you know what you saw in this playoffs isn't surprising in that you know he could end up being like a guy locked in as a you know what top line defenseman for the next ten fifteen years yeah i was i was surprised at how well i play as a president much they used to ye average a lot of times he was well yeah well they did they were paired together twenty six minutes averaging per game right behind chara second on the team so yeah he was on the powerplay i mean they used to kill a lot you know experience but he certainly like to say i mean he he looks promising but you know you talk about some of the veteran players and we bring up you know you brought a burger around and but you know what brad marsh in you know eighteen shots on goal in the playoffs just one goal that was in game one he had thirty nine goals of the regular season i know you had that little play at the end of the regular season that prevented him from getting to forty goals and you wonder i don't know if any of that the little two game suspension at the end that carry over into the playoffs at all he just or you know we've also seen i guess you know the last few rounds of the playoffs even going back you know three four seasons with marci and he's just not he doesn't seem to step his game up come playoff time and this is this year was another example of that yeah for all the you know he's your mean he might he also may not be that guy it's hard to the great ones can elevate and that what's makes them great he might not be that he might not be evacuate and he's young this is a first playoff so you know what nobody's making martians going to go do it it's kind to me but a little bit is going to go do and do it a little bit by himself and hockey can't do by itself unless you're awesome i don't think he's awesome i just think he's just a really good player my fact martians a great player but he's not there's he has limitations to his game i feel this season what was the highest amount of goals he scored and  to thirty five or something around there i think i mean he's you know he's been slowly getting better i mean you know again this goes back to the point i don't know i mean he had a lot of momentum going into these playoffs coming off his best off as of season then he takes that stupid you know stick to the plan you know nether region there his opponent and you know you get the two game suspension he comes back he doesn't seem like quite the you know maybe part of that saddam was trapping like you said they're just they're facing a different opponent but i don't know maybe part of it was just you know the way he kind of you know that reaction at the end of the year when you know remember the bruins were still fighting for that playoff spot too and marshy and almost jeopardize that by missing those two games you know so i don't think that and if they do with that i just think that like you said he just can't step it up a two to one yeah you know it's like there was no oftens on either side but on the other hand the bruins also they stole the first game and after coming from behind and then they were up three to one with fifteen minutes to go and  won the first two games in ottawa and that probably changes the series but then all of a sudden right i mean there's all these crazy penalties bruins were called for eight to lay of game penalties in the series and i think at least two or three with too many men on the ice rebel to delay a game penalties in the last game they played they had twenty six total penalties in the series most of any team in the first round of the playoffs yeah i mean it's just you know so there was you know being on the powerplay or you have to kill penalties that much on the penalty kill i think also hurt them because it you know you know it's  even heard of this guy before but boy he's something back to the bruins now last guy we have to talk about here to grasp what are your thoughts on how he played the series we got a picture of him there in action against obviously that was one of the goals bobby ryan who had a couple of game winners in the series that was one of them against rask i mean game five in the overtimes i thought rask stood on his head by to been the best he played the whole series outside of that i mean you think of that game winning goal in overtime in the clincher for ottawa was caught himself out position and made the mistake a kick in the puck in front when he wasn't in front to defend the goal i mean if you're going to kick that puck you get a kick it's a corner right i mean and you know ideally you don't want to let any rebounds up but if you're going to don't kick it out in front where there's a wide open net i mean because you don't know your guy's going to get there up a little they don't really have a good backup goalie they could turn to well that's that's a problem what he did is he did step it up in the playoffs you know he did play they said he would stand on his head one of those gave them a he made so many said they had like forty forty five shots on net as yeah when i watched the overtimes and that gave yeah he was yeah so and so i mean it was so i was happy to a play but they they do need you right they need a better backup goalie to give you more rest or when the season so that he doesn't get fatigued during the season i think he kind of get rested between wait for the playoffs and did well there but i mean during the season he he was pretty mediocre for a lot of it i'm not a fan of his and i just don't think like he doesn't like this look at this he had what two great games and one good game i think that's an interesting point you very mediocre games tim thomas in two thousand and eleven stood on his head and the bruins won the stanley cup that year because of good goalie but he is not a tim thomas stand on your head will steal you a series kind of goalie and when obviously the bruins are down their top three defensemen ballboy you're asking an awful lot of two can now because that's really not his m o to go out there and like i don't do that he did it for the overtime game five and maybe for other little yeah you know flashes throughout the series but you know that he's not going to give us it doesn't mean he's bad it just means he's just not a i think he's an above average and is a lot better than average go period and i watched that game i wasn't in play on watch and i just i knew that they were winning one nothing after the first period or two nothing or something like well this kid must be playing good i turned on to just watch second period play in the yankees as we speak here but obviously everyone's still talking about the oriel series from last week an orioles are going to come to fenway in a few days as we're doing the show on april twenty sixth and that might be the new rivalry in the ale least sox and orioles certainly the play involving dust to put roy in manny machado which there is this photo isn't really the it doesn't really show everything from the play this is kind of the tail end of the play from last friday night machado comes sliding into second  move to two days later down the camden yards you know the sunday game where you know finally two days later the matt barnes decides to you know be the guy who's going to throw it machado we were wondering when the retaliation was going to come because in the underwritten a this i had nothing to do with this don't look at me i mean that i didn't tell him to throw it you know that sort of and that certainly you know how you and i talked before the show was definitely not a good look for pajoy no matter what he did in saying that know what he was doing it for you and you basically threw him under the bus and made him look like an idiot through on the bus publicly like if you want to do that in private without us knowing about it fine so next time someone barrels in to put roy in second base and knocks on us can i want all the pictures to go so bad oh feel like good bye ok you know that was terrible what he what kind of team unity does that show i mean shows me they don't have as much team unity is like they talk about how much they like to say that you know they anything like that publicly privately whatever he never would have reacted that way maybe this goes more to whatever pajoy relationship is with john farrell which we really don't you know nothing to do with to throw a teammate under the bus but farah would have been the one to tell i mean barnes isn't going to be done over done thank you on that and speaking it was a real quick as it were going to go but chris sale better than advertised we'll talk more about him next but our next show may twenty fourth by the way is our next show we'll talk about him i think he's just exactly as advertised this is what i