overwhelming evidence might be whatever the quantum of the evidence might be the judge simply cannot substitute his findings for the jury but must submit the matter to a jury for determination of the case before purport purported to be the question was whether that means anything whether there's any criminal significance defendants were quite straightforward about what they intended to do and they were quite straightforward about their interpretation of the law  application to the facts what they actually performed and what the result of that should be court took it upon itself to determine how the defendants ought to defend the case very early on given to them by the court could in fact make such findings but that's not what this case is about this case is whether the jury had a chance to do that and the jury did love a chance to do that because they were told these links are invalid therefore they had no choice but to of that your client ought to be entitled to make that decision and advise this is why he wants to press the issue when the law becomes clear and we're going to have to deal with that somehow with lots of cases but i want if your client hasn't been able to speak to that issue so far you have been able to in a two part originally the government didn't ask for an instruction that these liens were in fact invalid as a matter of law judge jones brought up on his own and i believe it started in the second day of trial and eventually i believe me  ruling for the beginning of the third day of trial for it started striking the jury it really came up with a sort of a question any positive to the government's i have two minds on this one is to send it to the jury issue of these the rules a matter of law the first government took the position of saying it's a jury judge jones reacted with what i would say basically said i can't think of any way that these people anyway be valid fictitious i mean fictitious simply that you have a document that is quote unquote real and that's what our case talks about how the ninth circuit when eighteen u s c five fourteen was an act it was designed to close a loophole that they did not believe that counterfeiting touched cultural reports things that were made that were just flat out i think i'll call them bogus documents and that's what these work and that was the issue that's true was instructed on did the defendant virtual trumps washington law instantiates on point in that these planes were in fact valid we'd have mattered in any way just because there was a quote unquote lino out there in no way justified so in writing or making currency that supports to be issued under the story of the united states or jackson national life so judge jones did not instruct them i am telling you that these documents are false and fictitious what you did is a step removed from that he said they are real documents and that's what the jury found and the jury has to find that these documents these public all three big notes these drafts no notes are in fact real documents they were not issued the potential problem that i think i see here is that the judge's instructions wasn't purely legal he didn't say unless somebody has the authority to sign a l intent wandering back to defendants professed belief that what they were doing was was appropriate in their world just couldn't stand it anymore and frankly i don't like the standard anymore either after hearing that but the problem we have now apply today the judge ones up saying these notes are valid what's your take on that i don't believe the church ever instructed and i don't believe