agenda so i'm going to get started right away first any questions from town residents on topics not otherwise referenced in our agenda  a and the way for me square station you know you will recall we did have a forum with the n b a on november sixteenth two thousand and fifteen and the purpose of that forum was to try to focus the m b t a on on renovating and making handicapped accessible and then reopening the existing waverly square station in its current location rather than to relocate it on on on private property and town property off pleasant street and i just want you to know that what we did is we have since that time written the n b a letter which is posted on our website as well i will read it briefly it's to trish foley legislative liaison for the n b a dear ms foley on behalf of the board of selectmen i want to thank you and your team for attending and making a presentation at the meeting held on november sixteenth two thousand and fifteen in belmont to discuss the waverly square station issue this is the second meeting that the belmont board of selectmen has held to discuss the m b t options of complying with the order issued by the department of public safety architect architectural access board to make waverly station accessible it is clear from the testimony received from belmont waltham and watertown residents that the best option is to keep the waverly station in it location and make it accessible this is the strong view of the board of selectmen the board of selectmen stands ready to help them be a initiate a public process to design an accessible solution as required at the current waverly station location it is our understanding that your team is in the process of updating the m b t a general manager on the meeting held on the sixteenth please contact town administrator david calle to schedule a design  can achieve a solution in making the waverly suasion the waverley station accessible in its current location again thank you for your continued collaboration in this matter very truly yours sammy as baghdad our senator will brownsburg or this last week did contact the m b seeking an update on the process and the response was still trying to coordinate a meeting with the team and the general manager yet on what option to take with respect to the waverley station but it is something that i think the three of us are very concerned about and were adamant that the current station has to remain in its existing location and be made handicap accessible agreed anything that gentleman stations to have the mega station that they're proposing for pleasant street and of the remaining eleven to belmont concord and lincoln the entire fitchburg line could be handicapped accessible and the i did write an opinion to the citizen her old in the belmont tony and to this point come to the table and introduce yourselves and we are anxious to hear a little bit about what you're doing we we we have started making it more of a habit to him but he's to come to our meetings pool season and the fees that we were going to charge i know there's been a lot of talking and we've got a lot of feedback for the pool and it's fees one of the things we we we wanted to use this year for because last year was a truncated season we had four weeks five weeks of the season we're not really sure how many people are going to be getting memberships at the pool so one of the things that we discussed was using this year as as as a year that we can get data or bring in the data so we can make more informed decision these fees are reviewed on a yearly basis will we can review them next year and adapt them or adjust them accordingly so basically what we try to do is it is for the residents let's go over the residence first is the membership fees for a resident we have we wanted to try and keep those as low as possible and then fact if you buy a membership by june thirtieth that it has it's the prices not going up from the last two years it's at two hundred twenty five dollars if you do buy it after that after the june thirtieth date there will be it will be two hundred fifty dollars so there's a nominal ten percent there's there's about a ten percent increase on the resident dollars resident child individuals are going to be under ten dollars and then the day passes were going to be ten dollars for adult and five dollars for children so the message th  one of the other things is we've we've heard from from people on the seniors there will be in the past there had been a lifetime membership for seniors and actually this is just and came monsignor who said she thinks we should be charging for it so we had discussion on that there's going to be a fifty dollar senior membership annually and what it basically is that any anybody who has already got a lifetime membership will be grandfathered in so they won't have to pay their fifty dollars annual fee and we have a listing of those they really looked at all of the towns around us that have rules they all charge the and four children and that was kind of it on that so moving to the the the controversy there would be the nonresident memberships  and has done a lot of work and in researching other pools and other areas and in like towns that have pools there were blue pools and they they have they they all most of them have a nonresident membership fee it is considerably higher than the resident in the past if we have had a nonresident membership but it hasn't been as high so two years ago we had it was to twenty five for a resident but it was to sixty five for a nonresident so what we decided to do is a commission is has increased that bump that up to be more in march in line with the with the other towns in the area so right now a non resident family membership is three hundred seventy five dollars two hundred twenty five dollars for an adult membership hundred seventy five dollars for a child nonresident membership and we did discuss  day passes for that so that day passes for nonresidents is going to be twenty dollars per day it is high i think we took a look at we realised that last year there were some complaints of overcrowding and what we're trying to do is is again figure out where the high water mark is you know we might we may figure out that hey next year that there can be no nonresidents because it's just it's not going to work out for us but until that until we get that information and it's hard to just leave them out there was also over the past ten years that had been about seventy five  non resident membership two of always barber memberships and that non resident family membership we also kept it at one hundred twenty five so there will be a cap on that for the hundred twenty five total people  twenty five memberships so show a family membership you can have six times one twenty five in terms of the residents coming to the pool correct correct plus one i just want to fly out that in the past there's been a seventy five  t there's been a seventy five family member ship limit and we've rarely met that limit at the lower prices so i think because the nonresident fee is fifty percent higher than the resident the this year that that that we will not get the same but i think again that the philosophy was two thousand and sixteen is the first full season we think that the truncated season last year was unusual because it was so new we hadn't been you know discourage especially the day passes i think a lot of the nonresident use was on a date passes last year which created a couple of questions why did you increase by fifty one to keep it at seventy five well i'm up to one point five again i think were we knew that there were seventy to seventy five families who had purchased memberships in the past and we don't know where that market needs to be said i think we we decided that we were going to allow more people see if we could increase that it may be that we get nowhere near that one twenty five we may end up you know you going to have you thought about or is that something you're working through how do you confirm whether someone is arrested and or and nonresident and therefore paying the five dollars fee or the twenty dollar  or so there may be a situation where you're not being let in if you don't have an idea but i think that's still to be determined ok and and you know i agree with you you know and i think that test last year was especially during the labor day weekend when it was incredibly hot and residents and lawn residents were both paying five dollars to come in and swim so you had an influx of nonresidents why not come to the brand new pool and belmont and as a result resident children were pumped out because there were so many not so i would assume that if we ever got to that situation and since you're checking residency there would be a way to say you know for example you have the number of non residents and tiring on one day passes  would be very good for us to have but it requires a different kind of either swipe card or something else which costs money so i think one of the things we're looking at is just that he has been looking into all these things we're also looking at you know how to lead how do we manage that how do we get that data how do we make sure that we can manage that a little bit more closely but we don't have an ability to yet at that but you know i just for  residents it's not the board of selectmen who set the fees by by law it's the recreation commission but you know certainly certainly we have a dialogue and the recreation commission you know takes and what we say because we hear from many residents as elected officials so i would like to say i do think the thinking is in the right direction you know increasing nonresident fees i understand it's a it's an experimental year joined us during the worst of the work so i think there was certainly been a wreck departments point of view a sound desire to continue to allow those families is the goal but i think we felt that should be at a rate  right six hundred thirty nine residents in that pool which they have which the capacity of the pool to get now i get smaller like i heard around eight hundred i appreciate that we wanted to cover operating costs or perhaps even make money and we need to continue to look at ways with the recreational assets to generate revenue and little of some of your ideas and now it's course you know can we create a balance here is one hundred twenty five seems high to me and i'm concerned about overcrowding but we get to a point where if we find that the participation by residents in this brand news thank you for a new post which is gorgeous right is likely to die on board this other facilities exceed our threshold of you know earning money to idea of what we had sold and before that sort of opened for the summer we would be able to adjust that now that would be one of the if you could do that because again i mean i've heard from a number of folks that just are pretty upset they say eight of the words that i've seen  worry that you know we're subsidizing nonresident communities that perhaps don't have the same natural that we have and we you know what we paid six million dollars for it and you know whatever they have or that which one was painted why should they be allowed i mean say could be an isolationist why should we let them into our county use our facility and i think we do need to get preference i think your pricing does that to residents in it would be helpful if you could measure the number of resident houses that are sold at some point in time if you find as though it's reached the threshold and there were many people who should be smaller and so the question comes up well this was right sized about why do we need to bring in outside but anyway welcome know would have a place to swim i think it's probably a good idea to allow a certain number of nonresident children to come in and swim for the same reason and also because you know our kids might have friends from watertown where no one comes i think there has to be some flexibility in that regard you know i mentioned that my mother lives in gloucester and if you're one of the first two hundred  fifty people with your two hundred fifty dollars you can get a beach play house for the summer gloucester and go to a three d just now granted it's much bigger than our pool but you know this wouldn't be the only community that's doing that we want to ask about in the same spirit what about low income i saw the free lunch yes there is that includes the parents or how does that yes it's a family membership so there is a free lunch recipients  fact you are success so you can do that and it's ok all right thank you very much for just one more thing jim i think with the fee structure as it is people should be aware we're not even covering operating costs most likely we're certainly would recommend that you require checks only then they don't eliminates the slippage of the money number one and number two so many stealing the money coming in i think you want to have a policy checks  you want me to and i dress that way i would like to we that was the minister that was the policy in the past and we get through the committees underwood pool building committee one of the things we found is that people want to be able to give cash so that was one of the the big issues that the townspeople had and and we are accepting cash because that's what people want i thomason olsen precinct five as someone who center now almost thirty four year old to swimming lessons for four bucks for two weeks when i hear these numbers of what parent what parents are going to have to pay to allow their kids to swim in belmont one or two pools as opposed to three beaches in gloucester it seems to me that we're kind of missing the boat here i mean i just i'm i don't know how young families who are paying eight to ten thousand dollars a year in taxes can justify paying so much i just in in it you know in addition they just ponied up more money to pay for the pool i'm just shocked and i would like to ask that the commission give the town and make it public make a public  make it a public document as to what the expenses are how many people are hired just for the pool i think it's important that we know i am just appalled i mean whether or not you exclude  i think if you want to bring more belmont kids in lower the price for the families but i just i just can't i'm just shocked i really am that's all i want but i do hope we can get a report which includes you know everything that was spent how many lifeguards are employed how many other maintenance people are lloyd so i'd like to see that the town receive that and it's public information  hey paul roberts so i swim for exercise and a member of a master swim group and he will work with local swim clubs to potentially have especially like early morning hours when it when adults would use it cambridge master's is like it's expenses like seventy or eighty bucks what's thing a lot of triple time so you might be able get some or look at a lower gross thank you  one i also did some research at the end of last summer looking at other towns online and particularly of interest i think is lexington and i think that we actually learned a lot from our short season and that was that there was a fair amount of overcrowding in the children's so called children's school and there's a situation also in the couple of situations the adult pool i think we should take a cue from lexington and i think that we should aim for under subscribing the number of people coming next summer and then after that we can make an adjustment if it's not enough people i don't think that's going to be a problem lexington only gives family memberships there are no individual memberships and no child memberships for out of towners if somebody wants a day pass in lexington they can get a day pass at their which is considerably less desirable place to swim there are no day passes for out of town only family memberships and they're only to be applied for and bought in march so that by the end of march they know that this is the finite number of out of towners and unfortunately lexington is taking that page down so i can't give you the number or the price of those family members ships was analogous i think to our price and a number but i can't say for sure so i think that that that that should be our goal is to have next summer be comfortable for belmont residents to not have as i heard so much complaint about it's overcrowded it's too noisy it's too chaotic and then there are numbers i hope that the recreation commission will announce its meetings well in advance and and invite the public because there are a number of other issues that so far have not really been addressed to just briefly statement the picnic area is a problem when i was there my husband and i were there we noticed a lot of flies food on the ground this could be alleviated by changing the rules that now allow parties and food deliveries how about limiting it to snacks and food brought from home is supposed to pizza deliveries and parties are a problem because they clog up the area and people who want to just there just two or three people are having a problem doing that analogous to that i would also suggest and this is for long term i think we need some benches on either sides of the pool so that people can sit and watch their children and their grandchildren and i i noticed several times and other people noticed that when the child who was very overcrowded the adult pool the little square that was supposed to be for adults with the easy entry steps was crowded with children as well the diving area was crowded and the big lane area was empty and i had i had said this earlier i don't think that is  appropriate for belmont to be having wings there if people want to treat this as an athletic club then that's a real bargain for them and i'm not sure we should be offering that real market that is a huge on use area and it is and it discourages adults from coming in using them and and i get also discourages children who are like twelve years old thirteen fourteen good swimmers who want to maybe churn around in the water a lot but not necessarily use the lane i never saw a child use the lane there i saw one at a used one lane and i think that whole thing needs to be rethought because we need to blend the on a diaper a child is silly we all know it's silly and we all saw tot not just toddlers that infants being held in the water in both and we had several instances of contamination the rules need to be changed there we need to have no diaper age children and long term we need to think about a little toddler pool where oh it's play whatever it's like in there  didn't have a copy of that is it can i just just respond real question is when this whole process started with the underwood pool building committee there were surveys in a lot of surveys and a lot of the points that you brought up were addressed in that they wanted this to be a community pool to allow kids for two years old to seventy five and be able to go to those who will and one of the things was if you're going to make a david it's a family that going there to make a day of it they want to bring in food they want to have some food are there going to be can we work on cleaning up that area yeah i think that was helpful  but again the master swim program a lot of those ideas of last year having there was really no programming and so there was nothing it was more of a free for all so  it could have looked haphazard the other thing is again on children in the pool and having children in the pool that was a big thing if you're there with your two year old you want to be able to swim with and want to be able to hold them in the pool and again i think a lot of that was was brought up in the in the surveys that were sent out well one of the important thing is we're building on experience still yet one more clarification about the individual memberships we require for kids who are taking swim lessons that they have a pool membership as well as paying for the lessons so that's that's really what most of those are or for bringing food is one thing but having organized our i don't and i don't know if there were i mean i'll have to check with their wives ok maybe there could be a limit if you want to have it or going to want to get your reservation is maybe only want you know for an hour because if you have several parties going on it could get pretty chaotic said i think last year we opened the pool in august because we wanted to basically get the pool open last season it was open for about a month we understood it was sort of the shakeout cruise so i think we were building on operational experience building on  all these things that you said so i think we've learned from that and so basically the recognition of the partner public works basically are taking the effort to basically try to take a holistic approach about what the pool should offer and how it should be offered but last year frankly was simply a game of pool open getting it operationally online and to understand how the pool operated and to basically find out the things that we needed to pay attention to for the sub coming season so i think all these points are well taken experience and i'm happy that you'll be reviewing in may and then taking in more data and thank you for your hard work thank you thank you for coming to see if and that plan required up to five waivers the first waiver was the length of the road the board of survey regulations require  of a new short road which would serve as a single access point for all four properties i have lived at age seventy two caught up with my family from those forty years and placed great value on the rural qualities and beautiful open space that surrounds and twenty six foot pavement we are showing sidewalk granite curb there's a note on the plan that all trees will be kept as much as possible ok well i mean my initial reaction is i understand the discussion you want to hold but it's not such a bad plan and in all honesty and it's one where where we would plywood which they would correct it would be like that is the expectation yes ok so presumably they would push the snow but i would like to see snow storage area labeled on the plan did make that point was an interesting one could we see the before could you just hold them up for as long as you can just getting the site each other so the one what's the address of the big one on the right so i don't have to call it the big one on the right ok so the difference between the two plans for eighty five is kind of it doesn't matter it's the same right space in this is more or less there's less construction in a more open space that's maintained in the original proposal and then if you look at that top property you know as you come back from the orange s you know i'm i'm one who has a lawyer likes to set precedent and have clarity for applicants and we've communicated that we really to approve so i'm just thinking to me provision of more open space is a good thing i think you know more about mart and belmont given that either way you can subdivided into four lots so might as well try to mitigate that as much as possible by trying to preserve as much open space as possible so this is what i propose i i have spoken against the president of having driveways used as rolls to create frontage so i would propose have the roll twenty six feet which will allow traffic in both directions accepting and entering it will certainly provide better access for our safety fire safety and police vehicles i would say foot the granite parks and of the sidewalks and for safety  reduce the length of the road more in line with that plan with the with the idea that any impervious surface reduced will go to open space it will not be used to increase the size of the houses and you know i'm trying to find a way of reducing impervious but increasing the open space and not to use this as a way of saying oh great now the lights are bigger we can build bigger houses so if we can craft some kind of condition so so if if if open space is thirty percent maybe it becomes hope your baby becomes forty percent here sense is i was fine with having a shorter road with more open space but the other requirements are there i could live with sixteen or twenty six is fine because it creates that we better accessibility and a safer i guess from roadway  if we made it a condition i guess that would really i guess what you're suggesting is one waiver out of the five that you'd usually request that we would grant with the condition that that lessened roadway would not be replaced by stored ok on the plan you know show us what the increase in open space will be you know as a result of this compromise right and then and then probably the only other condition i request is none of the lights be sold you know much like a restrictive cup and at the planning board would require under subdivision control law no lots to be sold on the road is approved by the town use a sidewalk shall be constructed when the right of ways forty feet or greater makes reference to a cross section planned which shows sidewalk on bo really respect the sidewalk feel but you know i'm not kidding about that i understand but there's going to be four houses there are two houses there now and there's no sidewalks in there now so the really adding two houses close to the road you know i think putting concrete we're being asked to approve a roadway for a beautiful new subdivision which a nice open space where they can support have sidewalks right so where do we stand ok so i think why don't you come up with a plan you can go as much as twenty five feet out that fact of less roadway less in so many different ways to go so helpful ok next matter on our agenda in the uk the resulting project is a for a lot subdivision with a new roadway that the board of survey approved back in two thousand and seven at that time the the process was really just to extend the existing greensburg way to create the front  big model lane and if you look at the plan that i included with the memo that i wrote you can see that all of my lane is it really does make a dramatic ninety degree turn off of the existing greens book so in terms of it feeling like a different road i think that that is clearly the case and so i'm recommending approval of this new name open mind lane i don't have a problem and it doesn't to me kind of makes sense yeah does this have any impact whatsoever on the documents that we've legal documents that we've executed so you know i love this property i don't believe so i don't believe so it doesn't have any any implications on the legal the action this evening the record will be attached to reflect the new name of the roadway and so from that standpoint it you know that that housekeeping would be taken care of myself we work closely on addressing standards at the addressing properties it's pretty much a collaborative effort but typically will come to an agreement on what the proper number is for a property of things that i do i do  lot of activity there which is good right so overall we're growing i was the overall numbers the volumes aren't there yet a lot of folks don't know you know actually but the good news is we have a lot of repeat yes keep coming back let's put any any questions i mean i you know i think this can help their business grow you know people come in and have supper in class why not have a glass of wine or beer so you know we're happy to help accommodate that and help you any questions jim what kinds of beer are you going to maine license won't process things ok so that the license you would have just been granted to go to the a b c say and there's an approval process that has to take place in the meantime there are three holiday type of new year's eve name orthodox christmas day and the year according to the julian calendar that you would like to have dinner at the end and serve beer and wine so you're requesting free one day liquor licenses from last year ok that's right again gone through the approval process and they have the insurance and they have the proper service requirements any frequent to the establishment and i think this is a great great thing i would  was the presentation community the meeting of the board of selectmen back to order we have to force the community pat implementation committee rusts plano chair would you introduce the members of your committee sure so why don't you you know as i said before we have been inviting committees to come and give us updates on what they go away which we first and foremost we would like to hear from you on and then and then i it's my impression that you're going to request some direction from us as you go forward and prepare an r f p for a feasibility feasibility engineering study on the various possible locations of the as you said i just want to give an overview of the committee's work today spend some relatively quick time going over you know just a refresher on on what what the what the root is and what our previous committee recommended as as rude segments i want to talk about our next steps in the timeline for hopefully accomplishing those  you had and the kid that you'd like to hear a little about funding mechanisms and prospects so we'll give you our a read on that and then in the event we'd like to we can spend a little more time on the recommended route segments is a little more so coming up on our our anniversary we started meeting in january of this year and at our initial meeting with with the chairman  the wheel and what he meant by that was or what we understood him to mean by that and what he said he meant by that was that we needed to work from and build on what c pack the presidential committee that released its final report in june of two thousand and fourteen had done because they spent you know an immense amount of time and effort creating that report and evaluating some some potential ro arguments and so we have really undertaken to add here to that mandate and you know on the other hand we do want to give you the selectmen information you need to make a decision and select a route because ultimately this can't happen we can move forward with with funding with with moving towards actual construction we've tried to do this over the intervening months was we've taken to a really a deep dive on the sea back recommended segments try and understand what they are and what the challenges are says he added with committee the housing authority chairman of public works conservation commission and historic district commission just to make sure we understand their concerns and views on a potential community and now we're at the stage over the past couple of months we've been working on actually putting pen to paper to develop the requests for proposals for a fuse ability study which will be funded again by th one hundred thousand dollars perpetrated by town meeting and we'd like to thank you gentlemen again for your work in making that happen we know we know it was a left and possibly an additional one hundred thousand dollars from the state that our representative dave rogers and center will brown's for health care although i understand that that money has not been released by the state and as we know the state is undergoing some ration has not decided to do this yet but they say they are considering it they'll need to make a decision pretty soon probably by january so if they are going to do it so well will have more information in the near future but there's still the appropriation well you know i just wonder chatted about this and i'm not sure what the mechanism would be but should we because the money in the town is going to remain it's something that we can do to help you know i i think i think representative rogers is is is you know we're working his levers you know i'm not sure if perhaps it's like a man would be interested in reaching out to represent if there's any sort of lobbying or anything like that that would be great because it would be helpful and help solve some of these problems so we are we are nearing completion on a on a draft r f p and and so that's town and so this is this is this is the area it's obviously you know hugely dense and there's a lot of a lot of challenges and one thing i think i am certain we have learned is there is no perfect way to get from a to b here so there's there's going to be problems no matter what as a as a committee one of the things we did to kind of help understand then just as a a broad overview again we can we can return to this later in the presentation what we've done here is essentially a transfer the various routes  process where employed this body from a select men is really needed in terms of you know what what the scope should be as i mentioned we have we have focused our work almost entirely on the what c pack recommended for the resettlements again abiding by chairman roe vs advice that we don't reinvent the wheel so we'd certainly like to like to discuss that are you know again our goal is to issue it in the early spring review the proposals and hopefully award the contract and late spring and then have the  consultant actually began work in the early summer on the fuse ability study which will probably be about a six or seven month process once they have completed their work we anticipate recommendation or not but but it would represent our work once you do select a route we can really move then to the next phase of this project and that would involve  twenty five percent design is a significant step because that that's it is possible to receive federal and state funding for pretty much all project costs beyond here so that's not federal funding is not available for that we don't know in general in general the answer is is no it is it is conceivable that you could get s tate funding perhaps some federal funding or perhaps some other grants or something from some organization to fund but it is most likely because you know i think in general  ten percent number is the rule of thumb for one hundred percent design as is russ pointed out we just need to get twenty five percent twenty five percent will not be two point five percent it'll be a bigger number than that it might even  two miles in belmont just measuring on the railroad if we go the more we go away from the railroad the longer it's become so you know if it's if it's over three million they can go in framingham and if the green line extension which is one point nine mile path thirty nine million dollars ah so it's twenty million in cambridge and somerville three million and a fraction in lower framingham call it you know five six per mile  did that the initial bullet here this is something we need to prepare for that's right that's right because right now once we do that this is this is this is kind of the next step the slide is really about a little about  the mechanics of how this is most likely to be funded and that's through the federal transportation improvement program called funs and it's essentially a pot of federal highway money and ministered by the in our region is the boston region and that the state basically updates its tip program every year through a process that last about six months and the temp itself has a four year time horizon in other words they're looking for projects that they can that they can bring to some level of fruition in the four years that covers and as i mentioned before tip funding can can can pretty much cover all costs of a project beyond twenty five percent design as far as our prospects again this is our evaluations a best guess obviously it's not community and rail trails and multi use one of the reasons for that is that a certain percentage of the highway federal highway money is essentially earmarked for bicycle improvements so there's there's money floating around here for these mass tide itself as has called for you know some four hundred thirty million to be spent over the next year in ten years for constructing an improving bicycle  and waverly as one of the highest priority gaps in fact it's it it remains actually the highest priority gap because the other gap was was felt it was the the somervell when you know there could be other ones i don't claim to fully understand the intricacies of all of their criteria but there's we've got a lock on for us again so i just want to emphasize that that once this body does make a decision you know we can we can make this happen so again i know you know if you want to spend time on this or not but but i just kind of from my point of view i think the one s route here if it works is the preferable route and i think that frankly this is wonderful design on the platforms i think you did that you know we showed it in and you know want to want to know more were you know this this route segment would sort of snake along the border without that property so that's that's something certainly to keep in mind and you know that yeah yeah right couple pinch points i think that's how you refer to the vents right with houses on the real bad as you as you get to royal road because if they were there i think that that would work and that i don't know if that's why one of the slides here but i'm talking about yeah i'm talking about the the need to sort of consider a park lane which is not ideal because i thought a real bed as a couple of tight spots where the with between the lean and or the home and the good that's really tight i think that's what the feasibility will roll do right where will visitation a more positive hand with minimal junctions that are really the problems that's right and then expose and or maybe one of the bigger challenges as an addition to the elevation is getting across the street at some point it's not clear there are we have come across the dumped on into the world   road which you know i think has the distinct benefit of being one of the only places where it's it's it's probably wide enough to have you now a nice pleasant  i still haven't quite wrap my mind around how you how you get by the station there and segment three outs there there may be a way to do it but i think that's something the train pushed the station back what used to be so they had all the trains that get blood from so shift off the bridge to shift off the station and go off to the right there about three s c and that makes a natural train down here yeah you'd shift  here on the north side are obviously more resident concerns and you know that of that nature as opposed to engineering obviously underpass will be an underpass that would essentially go back if if the river is on the south side dive back to the to the north side i think that was largely driven because they felt it was too narrow to least the put aside the alexander to brighten for just for a moment that the north side the path traverses the north side at alexander down to belmont center it comes across the platform into the world  wards and i think that could work it's really wide stretch there it connects the underpass so it allows us to get funding because it's contiguous path i think our challenge of course is pointed out is and it's important that we continue to work with all constituents on this matter but you are residents in school committee to me i think the issue and what we have to address is you know is it north or south right into under two to alexander and it comes up on view have a walk that can work as well but i think there's a couple of issues there we discussed for instance this very technical and terrific to to work paths with with the school committee might have some concerns about that so i think we need to work with both here you have you have to essentially turn on to brighten street obviously need you need something here to deal with you know the the skewed railroad crossing is coming out with new standards for they don't call them cycle tracks now they're separated grade bikes so i don't know if those new standards could be short freighted you know basically you take maybe you take some of the school property but on the coc  you know they at least felt it was impractical and when those reasons are that numerous driveways and roads that intersect it makes it sort of difficult to use that cycle s but you know as far as as far as the you know it certainly poses some difficulties i think though with this is that if there was an opportunity for the school committee to give up land to integrate it with other projects we're we're we're we're we're asking in the initial period for an evaluation essentially of that what are what are what are things that we best you know where things that she pack missed you know are there are there viable alternatives that we should be thinking about and so i think some of those questions now like you said will be able to be answered by an engineer i will know just  on this point that you now i have worries about expanding the scope too much of the future because as it as it is you know not not that one hundred thousand dollars isn't a lot of money because but we're not going to be able to get really drill down and to that sort of heavy engineering stuff surveying etc are all these routes for that amount of money so you know where the think we're within range is the roots identified and perhaps you know if you if you think it's important to sort of run clay put around the heist that it was a possibility i don't know how much engineering that needs to be done there but beyond that i think we're i know from my point of view having spent some time with members i think we're within range of possibilities and that's what we should focus on for and i would be perspective rather than we're not going to open up other sort of potentials like i'm not sure that's liable and  constituencies all the way one of the path is i think it's important to open up that line of communication and dialogue yet we will have we will never know if the people have to have an opportunity express concerns and let's talk about what we need to solve a problem let's do it together as a community that's my overlooked that option for this rail trail and the current committee seems to have done that as well it concerns me a great deal on chang because you know my home is my home my backyard is my sanctuary we all feel that way about where we live and where we want our families to grow i am for a bike path and i have to be very honest with you i don't think we're talking about a community path i think it's really a substitute for a real agenda which is the bike path this is my own personal feeling about it i can't envision a community path where there are people passing back and forth on bicycles roller blades roller skates pedestrians people pushing baby carriages two directions what have you inline skates whatever that's the community it isn't just bicycles so i feel the advantages of having conquered avenue from belmont center right up to the high school at least that far is the very good option through belmont and it must be considered i think at a lower cost to the town because well it's already there we have bike lanes on concord ave concord ave is very well lit it's well maintained it's well patrolled it allows direct access to town library post office pool playing field some sports center of sports events the high school middle schools and grammar schools also to restaurants and a service station for any unexpected problems or help that was needed is really an opportunity for the town of belmont to be a leader and i say that because it's an opportunity for the town of belmont in the public eye not behind somebody homes are along the railroad track but on a public through a public street concord avenue to showcase the public regard for bicycle safety and promote sharing the road with bicycles and cars will increase awareness and support within the community because it be more visible on conquered avenue for added safety i propose an elevated cycle track either on both sides of concord avenue or down the middle which could significantly reduce the interruption of car traffic flow from intersecting streets let's face it i'll finish now but i feel the real agenda here is not a community path it is a bike path a community forum strip of land along the north side of the tracks i feel there's a conflict of interest concern here that that land be used that land of pots my backyard and i've got a problem with that how in the world could anyone think that it's safe to be biking walking pushing a baby carriage or skating down a community path better but the locomotives that are now allowed to go eighty miles an  hour the air quality from the diesel fumes that are amid from those diesel engines are so acrid and so upsetting i have to leave my backyard to go in my house that's just something i've had to live with for all those i really encourage you to reconsider this plan to include concord avenue a section from belmont center up to the high school as a viable option for this bike path thank you very much hello my name is marm allow me and i live on clark lane and i'm coming here to speak to the board and i know you are aware of this piece but all of the property on clark lane is private property also the priority route mentioned by c pac that includes clark lane also includes property that belongs to belmont housing and on this property a home for adults with multiple disabilities and although we couldn't see the detail in the slides that were presented i do have the slides that show the detail of what the proposal is for those sections of clark lane and it would involve taking away you know the parking lot and the place where these residents are brought in and out of their home on the handicapped vans so i think proposing this on land that would require the town to take land from residence because that's the only way that it would work the only way that it would fit as well as land from these other folks isn't the right way to go and what i'm here today for is to ask the board to exclude clark lane  from consideration for the community path i don't think there is a any homeowner in belmont who would find it acceptable to have their property taken for such  rights to take over property rights from right and i think ross even identified as one of the most challenging right but secretary i mean at the last meeting i was that and i've attended many meetings not just of this particular group but also of belmont housing which very much opposes this action everyone you know from the school credit to historic mission many many meetings  but the most recent meetings that i was at for this group they said that they were not going to include looking at the legal issues associated with clark lane as part of the r f p that they felt that that was a separate issue that they wanted to just look at the engineering issues and so all that does is push this issue off well i think the engineering issues should focus on how do legal issues we're going to make  and the committee around the property that's on marine avenue that would that would the past half section that's that would go from from the waverley station into waltham there's a lot of concord avenue and then on to brighton and then to the fitchburg cut off i will say that the scariest part of my commute are the road obvious right and then conquered avenue making that left hand turn  that that that intersection there i think the point being the more we get commuters off the road and we get a main thoroughfare that works quickly and easily offroad for commuters that's that's what's going to make this work is really what's going to make it work one final statement i do think that it is an expansion of the charter to reconsider concord avenue i think that that was the original charter was to stick with the recommendations of pac and it was discounted this route was discount certainly safety is a primary concern i mean i will say that even the trail cuts off beyond and you know in exclusive however they are designed for different purposes i would in my defense i don't consider this to be a commuter path at all if you look at the main thoroughfares better like this in arlington and different different towns what happens is that it is a main artery that that that turns into it and is a community based that turns into something that is desirable to get towards and more paths are created towards less thank you feeling you know just like to reiterate michael's point that at the end of day i do not think those two things are mutually exclusive and i think that's i think that's because in the past we interchange those words easily and i don't think there is change you know less than a sidewalk in the previous discussion well the vision isn't as expressed to me in a degree community and paul roberts how many members precinct date i want to thank the community path implementation advisory committee and also see pac which came before it for their amazing work i know we heard from the recreation committee earlier this evening and in the work that goes on on behalf of the town by these volunteer committees is really quite amazing and the talent that belmont's able to bring to bear is also quite amazing so i want to thank them for all business has been said it is a biking path that is a running path that is a walking path i've been there in the morning and seen parents walking their kids to school in arlington along the path of nearly been run over by bikes and rollerbladers as well at the end of the day it's a reflection of the society that we live in the community that we live and some people use it responsibly some people speed but that's true on roads as well and nobody talks about not building roads  what i would say is i've seen some really just even on the spur to brighton ave i see evidence of what will belmont will benefit from if we were to extend this path along through through belmont to waltham center i see  along cambridge park drive in cambridge very large residential white collar professional mixed work and residential developments going up almost complete some of them are complete every day i see workers in the afternoon coming from paint cambridge park drive walking down and eating at the loading dock on brighton ave i would say with people now living on cambridge park drive where they work the idea that they would walk or bike down the belmont center waverley to go to a restaurant to buy beer at the craft beer cellar to go to rank and tories is a no brainer any any excuse these days for especially for younger people to get out and not have to get in the car and drive  park somewhere they're going to use it i just it could be a huge commercial benefit for the town i think the concerns of folks along chatting road are totally legitimate in terms of their privacy the sanctity of their property their concerns about you know noise and what have you but i'm with mr polow on thinking that these are issues that can certainly be worked out in the design of the path and it is a little bit ironic when you look at these convoluted ro and all the things that that really controversial piece from an engineering standpoint is the most straightforward and the parts where the engineering is sort of sketchy are far less controversial so i think those are totally legitimate complaints and as mr pull i think we need to just come together as a community and find ways to make put people at ease about this and embrace this this project thank you very  much my name is sandman i'm from precinct four as many of you know i'm a realtor and i have many friends that live on chang road that i love and i have tried to explain to them that our goal would be to have this have the least amount of impact on their property as possible and the truth is i actually think that the impact on the property is a huge financial gain when i do my listings in arlington or in watertown i will list specifically how far they are from the bike path but i will never ever want to say this property is this far from the railroad tracks so it compensates for what's fair and it does add value almost immediately and then secondly i wanted to say i lived in arlington before i came to belmont actually i tried to live in arlington near the bike path but there couldn't afford it but i was cheap at the time and my son some of you know he's born with cerebral palsy and had several operations like braces casting and  we walked on the arlington community path because that's where he learned to walk and he was interested because people had dogs and he liked bicycles and he liked roller blades and it was how i inspired him to walk because just going down a sidewalk and seeing nothing and so i am we also would run into other people we ran into special olympics that was training to do a race and they were doing it on the bike paths so i don't think it's as dangerous and frightening as people think and i would really encourage march commuting exclusively by bike to my new job and i've had a lot of time up and down the minuteman trail a various times a day and a lot of time a lot of times writing to l wife back before there was a paved path and i now get to see an awful lot of the linear pass off to davis square and i would encourage too that we pursue more direct routes that shorter is attractive that avoiding conflict with cars is a very good thing as experienced as i am some of the left turns that phil lawrence mentioned i know those two and i don't like them either  and i would not be terribly worried about proximity to the railroad there will be a fence i've looked since this is you know become an issue i've looked at other paths in other places and just sunday i was on a ride on the paul dudley white path which believed to be a good path it's a very busy path it's filled with joggers and bicyclists and everything and not less than ten feet away separated from me by a little low highway barrier with soldiers field road and boy it was full of cars and they were going fast and i trust the train drivers a lot more than i trust those car drivers yet there it is and it's incredibly popular and any of these things where you wonder is it popular you can go online and look at str maps the paul dudley white is popular there is a path alongside live rail in north hampton it's popular we have our new path to el wife and it is much more popular now that it is paved and i see far fewer homeless people camping out on the way i few see far fewer sketchy people i see more people but i see fewer sketchy people i see fewer aspiring juvenile delinquents drinking next to the railroad pass so i think that people in your back yard might not be a bad thing if it's actual people and not just the ones that would creep along railroad track that's not a place you're supposed to be  and i would remark that these pass all community pass the straight minutemen trail very much a community path i've seen practically everything there i've come across a blind woman walking up the path in the dark chatting on her cell phone you see or you just keep going at the same token i've also seen people go a cheese that was fast on the path through cambridge and somerville which is not straight and it's kind of curvy so there are no you know hard and fast rules it's the people that you put on the path there is demand right now people have asked me how do i get to belmont center from the end of the path to l life and if i look on the heat map you can see where people are going around and cutting through the wind brook neighborhoods to get to training road to ride up to get to the month center so i think we should do this i think we should go for direct routes and i don't think we should be afraid i think it will be fine leave them i've also observed evergreen plants that stalled at d c hours of expense along the minuteman trail on other ones i've seen fences installed that whoever is in charge there also and still for privacy so i think we can do these things thank you far my name is charlie conway i'm a resident on charming road have lived there for eleven years i've lived on both sides currently live on the side office of the trucks but i've also lived dividing the trucks as well when i first moved in there and i want to just say thanks very much for the updates to the team who are carrying the torch from c pac i think it's great and it's good to see that we're finally at a point for the r f p on the feasibility study i also would like to thank the selectmen for their vocal support tonight for the alexander on their posts i think that's a great  level of our kind of awareness of where people are getting out i think it's them it's going to back you could if it's ever a reality could definitely help the traffic that comes from the wind up district to the high school  actually walk safely rather than going through the center or around brighton street which are both chock a block and the more and i use the paths from brighton to l life every single day i use it twice all year round as summer winter spring and fall and i will i can unequivocally say that it is a multi use path beyond any doubt there are kids out there learning to ride there are elderly people walking their dogs there are people in wheelchairs using the facility outdoors cambridge have done a wonderful job developing the waterway there people are using it all the time as another speaker noted there's a lot of new properties going up there and there's a lot of new people coming around with a demand for our door access  also as an avid runner i run along concord have most days i also run along that al life bike path i can tell you that the fumes from cars along conquered are far greater than any fumes from a train along the bike path that from a pure air quality perspective the off road options from a user's perspective are far far greater than that one request i would have for the feasibility study is if it could actually include options to address the privacy concerns from about herbs i do think that they're very they are very valid and i think they've been expressed very clearly but i also think if i was in a better place would be an opportunity to get involved in a solution to actually improve my situation as in a voter from a noise perspective from a privacy perspective and from a drainage potential perspective as well because there are a lot of options to improve right now those are butters on shining road which is my own personal experience are very exposed in the winter months from the foliage is gone so there is just plain sight into the yards from that there are tremendous amount of solutions that people could be engaged in and i think and one of the speakers mentioned earlier about further dialogue with all constituents i think there's a great opportunity to be more positive about solutions to these concerns as opposed to just continually talking of the concerns i think we need to move beyond that and i would encourage if we can in the feasibility study start proposing some real solutions to these concerns to and i wish i had fewer concerns rather than more but i'll just tell you what my experience is living their experience of broken promises and the broken promises are the the work done the work has been done by the n p t and the presentation that they made here before the slotman i didn't want to embarrass mr nolan but i went to him afterwards and i said i called your line expressing my concerns about the work that it's been done he said we do live there i would love to support it but everything that's happened with the constructions actually happening right now gives me pause for what would happen in the future people in belmont need to commute say from weatherly square to belmont center from belmont center to cambridge and it's what the community does i honestly can't possibly envision a community pass which runs  not easy and probably easier i mean so there was a stretch along concord avenue and there's a bike lane which which was fine but whenever i mean if this is this is the case they were just i mean safe can by bike to central square i'm not hardcore i don't do it in the manner and in the rain when i have to get dressed up in there but whenever i can i do it that way but i particularly like my rides to wilson farm on the minuteman bike path and the thing that i keep being impressed by yes the variety of uses to which it's seeing moms with  joggers so wonderful public amenity we have a chance to create that kind of value for the people of you and so i don't think of this is just the agenda is not just a commuting bike path this is a really a chance to have created a wonderful valuable community amenity that  our citizens could really enjoy but they want to enjoy it on road you know you enjoy it off road and so so i find a great marriage these from my center to brighton street to be on the north side of the rail bed and i understand that there butters have concerns and interests there and i think that the town  should openly commit itself to addressing those concerns in the design of the that's where that's where the compromise that's where the accommodation can happen and i think that if that accommodation did happen it could be such a unifying feature for our community so i hope that the selectmen that you select just occasional users but see it as a permanent wonderful community to all of our citizens who can use it in a variety of ways thank you ok alexander and i've witnessed all five or six tragedies that occurred up there and i beg of you not to encourage people to play up what you're going to do if you put a bike impact on the student population as classes are not in session during the summer months vacations nights and weekends the peak times peak times have you as predicted to be headed i thank you for your ef majority of the property owners of park lane so i don't see that as a as a good option at all and also about four years ago in the summer the train came to a stop behind my house and let all the passengers off and the police and fire department bta all used my yard to access this train and i saw it myself the wheels had fallen off of the train between i believe the first and second car and i said i actually because they were right i'm just a few feet from the tracks that walked along and i could see underneath the train so i have further concerns now not to disappoint you but we are not deciding which to adopt tonight ok and i think we need to do is have a discussion among us so you know i mean certainly you were talking about school the fuse ability know right ok i mean to me if you're talking about a real feasibility study why are we what's the harm in including one more option you know why are we excluding options from i mean you know mike my thought is let the engineers go and let them do their job ok there's the south side north side ro what's the harm i don't see it being a big expense also considering the option of with safety features it's got to be say it goes along we've got to add safety features i agree with the bikers i don't think it's quite safe the way it's configured today but why not let the engineers get creative come up with some suggestions give them some broad discussion and more options for us to decide you know i mean a community path has to unite the community and if we start at the feasibility stage removing past options to me it's sending the wrong message  all the way down contrary because i have a concern about that i don't know i think it's up to the engineers if one can feasibly you know that we locate them to me i think if we if we want to underpass to to be part of this funding you have to of our objectives is to happen under i'm not sure that's a possibility but i think that we're out of time tonight on this topic well i think we have to give the direction well you know my sense of sitting here we've heard a lot of comments tonight that kind of makes sense and what i'm thinking is rather than expanding the study that there's enough information in the room we can actually take some of the options that we've discussed tonight out of the study because i think you all know which ones those are and i just we're not going to let tonight and i don't understand what i'm saying you know if there's five options up there and there's two or three to be investigated and in each of the segments you know three times five is fifteen i think we can cut it to eight that some of those three and some of those you know i'm just saying that some of those options i think are obvious and i think the committee knows and i having spent a fair amount of time walking the path and i haven't spent as much time as these fine citizens have and looking at this issue that i think it's within our grasp i think it's as presented here and i certainly would accommodate you know as a consideration  you know around clay pit pond down somehow traverse scene because again i think it's really important to connect to the underpass but if you want to include that as another alternative just to move this off the dime and move forward let's do that in  same vein as we complete the air of p and i suppose we look at it then i work closely with c p i see members to meet with all constituents that have expressed concerns and i to get continue to get their input but let's get going on the earth p and move they may have narrowed down from sea pack what they looked at forty different i remember looking at the different alternatives in there waiting it all out is like mind blowing it was so confusing well done actually excellent work but i think this committee has done wonderful work to narrow those options down clearly still having issues across the board let's move forward there are people chairman get the bids in and then see what information further information we get now to sit in our hands and let's continue to work with constituents we did somebody actually decide to take concrete avenue because there's a feeling there was a feeling among members of the previous committee and certain residents that even though the board of select lot so again a community is better than no community why not have an open transparent discussion consider the three options and we will make the d let them that's what they're there for and then i will make a commitment to you and to the residents here the board of selectmen will meet with the school committee to get to have a discussion with them on locating a road on the south side of the track and try to get them to try to see how open minded they would be on that and i fell of it that discussion to the board of selectmen level so it's not the there seems to here that the school committee has made up its mind that there will be no track on the south side and i haven't heard from many perspectives as you know from from a legal point of view they have to find surplus to their needs right in order to give up a part of the campus and within mom on this one way or the other but as you're discussing in concord road it occurs to me that everything else is precisely detailed as to the route it will take number one and secondly will be off road the comments about channing road tonight one person was talking about having out on one side or the other some people seem to be talking about it's just right on road other people off road if you at this excuse me to the feasibility study i think it would be really important to say what the route along concord would be and that  ok i'd like i'd like to continue the meeting excuse me we are still meeting thank you ok we are now going to skip down to board of selectmen committee liaison reports ok selectman did you have a report  in terms of the building project and we're moving in a setting there is a school committee meeting tomorrow night and there's also a mean i've been meeting with other members a board of selectmen and and this is sort of took over to talk about the building project and you know where do we go from here and you know we've expressed concerns about the size of the building and you should have no member communities things of that nature this is taken somewhat of a detour now back to the region agreement which as you know is a week removed from the one nine hundred seventy and one in which is really challenging the function within it's an agreement in which no child can leave unless his unanimity agreement by all member communities sixty member communities you cannot change the agreement unless there's unanimity you can't add new members in list as unanimity so it's pretty cut and dry it's one cow one vote matter how many students you send to the district the operating back in two thousand and fourteen that we as a community passed over because other towns had not voted for it two reasons one we didn't know the size or cost of the school but we didn't know who was going to be in the district when the dust settled so for until it came into focus we passed over so what's taken place through i've been to no three maybe four boards or just now the boards of selectmen members representation from the rivers boards have met you know a couple times and cyber a couple times and weston there was a meeting this thursday night back in west and to talk about every vice regional agreement that i think will have some discussion we should now support in for this reason it was a protocol that was adopted by october of one in which the boys in the towns have now been directed to determine in genial wary what do they want whether they want to leave the district and the five or six communities that absolutely want to get  with a deemed approval vote so you'd have to call up us as a town meeting if you wanted to reject it and it's two thirds of the community there is a community so we we've kind of reached a breakthrough here  we need to just talk about whether we would support this concept and you know my thinking on the matter is that in order if the issue has always been the rub is always been that it's in terms from the member towns we because the changing demographics we have sent less and less students over time the member communities through the point where almost half of the incoming freshmen to more than half are now from non member towns i believe that it has less than less than half and in terms of the total enrollment of what is it  it's a little under four hundred members total about six thirty five in four hundred member towns six thirty five or so total total so you know another two hundred thirty five nine member communities now they pay a the they've come up with this interim use middle of agreement that could be entered into with these nonmember towns in order to compel them to pay the capital fee but from my point of view i think the school community could fold on that if towns like watertown and mal students school we said it's too big for the current district and we don't think the demographics are changing in them so we can fact we've asked our superintendent dr fail and he doesn't think even though our rome is going up there we're likely to send additional students career and technical education and that's right i completely agree with that and might send a few more and so when we discussed we've had a lot of sort of back and forth phone calls this revised regional government that i think is could be favorable to belmont for proportional voting and i think the only path forward in order to convince nonmember towns to join the district is a is through revised regional i think there's no other way that i can join day but we certainly have a concern because five or six towns or whomever might be leaving have stated publicly that i would just go in the district and just resubmit and we're saying well wait a second isn't that a little bit unfair that you can leave the district the exit the district would pay a couple feet per capital per capita capital free to be able to do that now the downside is that they're not on the hook for the debt so whatever  evaluation is the decision made which is this do we just oppose the building project and just let it go down the tracks and we're going to be on the hook for all of these capital sort of improvements over the next twenty to thirty years whatever the cost might be there would term and i think was so i'm of the opinion that we get we shouldn't leave the district because we have to find a place to educate our kids so before education i don't know where else we go we have to be scrambling go to cambridge whatever sold out that well there was if you remember the briefing we had in the beach street center the school committee did vote to go forward with the schematic design which is in effect an endorsement for the whole project so there are now two votes that are being held to tomorrow's minuteman school committee meeting and the the purpose of asking for your input as mark said is that the selectmen have gotten together a number of the selectmen have said arlington one box barr being another they don't believe there's any path to approving the building project without first changing the regional agreement so that brings us back to the table of addressing a regional agreement that we tabled tomorrow selectmen representatives have been working on this for i would say the call it a month a month and a half something along those lines of course we just received a copy of the proposed agreement that we're going to be voting on at that tomorrow we also the school committee member is also going to be asked to vote to authorize one hundred forty five million dollars of debt tomorrow which will start the clock ticking at in the member communities to reject that or that deemed approval within sixty days so minute man is pushing the communities to approve not only the regional event but the debt you know vote tomorrow on the issue of the regional agreement as as bob said we passed over it we were one of six communities that five that passed over one voted no and our concern was we didn't know the size of the school and we didn't know who was going to be in around we now know the size of the school and as i articulated and bob shared what we made at the beach trade center as much as we would prefer the school to be smaller in an ideal world  we continue to push down that path we probably end up with a smaller school maybe end up with a smaller school at a higher cost so it's not clear that it's worth you know pushing we can that that yes and so now we know the size of the school there are a number of smaller communities who just want out and they want out for a couple of reasons primarily because the revised capital allocation formula under the new agreement is unfavorable to them as mark said some of them are saying hey we're going to we'd like to come back in the door to minute man you know as a nonmember some of them are saying you know what if i don't have to pick up a fee if i go to as district in rome it would be down twenty to thirty students it's not a huge amount it doesn't impact our costs as a community dramatically there have been a few changes to the regional agreement to make it more palatable to some of the communities who have said we want out they change the capital allocation formula a little bit to make it less punitive to small sending communities but again those small sending communities in aggregate are send so few kids it doesn't move the needle dramatically for belmont so what the selectmen have or at least the select members of the selectmen who are on the school committee have said we need to get a regional agreement changed before we have approval of what i would for the solution has stated they would not support the school as you're going to get an operator you know granted it's lower than if they were a member but they don't have a seat at the table they don't have a they don't have any sort of though and i don't know and the fact that if they were to come in there's an easier what should we do about this proposed amended agreement which is a little bit further and then jack jack just said well ok if it was the only put it this way if the agreement is amended there is going to be a vote to approve one hundred forty five million dollars will r t and it would and if it gets passed on a district wide vote which it may we have no in or out there's no ability to bring in other bigger towns because they'll never come in and so forth and there's a very good luck you'll get passed and if it doesn't get passed that may be worse because we have no state aid and they're five or six towns go out there want to go out and we have some clarity there that changes how you get in and high you get out so that if the debt does pass and five or six towns are out there is even a procedure that doma might get a second look at that issue but even more important more important than that if the debt does not pass and the district is really up to be reconstituted agreement and if it has imbedded unit the fact that any nonmember towns of paying their fair share that's a huge plus a huge plus and so i don't see much downside risk in voting o along with this procedure and two to go back to two thousand and fourteen we did bob and i both suggested that the changes to the regional agreement that were being proposed then were year average to smooth the up and downs right now happen all is assessed point in time one year in rome and they now have come up with a formula that has three components a fixed fee to every town so cost of membership half of it's based on your four year average and around that and about a third of it is based on what i would call wealth weighted utilization so that communities who are slightly better off wealthier are pay a little bit more when you shock all that through down lines it's our assessments were marginally higher but not in significantly and it's a zero sum game so not every community could come out ahead economically under that it also introduced this idea of proportional voting right now you have sixteen communities each community has one vote so communities that send two kids are as influential on the school five the requirement to charge the capital assessment to nonmember communities notwithstanding that that charge is still going to be blessed by dessie and not completely within our control it's so we're a little bit better off and so what the the selectmen from the other communities are saying is what we want the boards of selectmen in our member towns is to say they will support a revised regional agreement and if we can get the revised regional agreement approved now in their mind we have a path to get the building project about where they don't get is why would water they're asking the selector man for the sixteen communities to declare their intent to ask their respective town meetings to get out now or stay in ok so my question depends on what you want to do to me i look at it from a different perspective i mean we i want to be a part of the district and work together to make this without getting into a lot of it without getting into a lot of detail without getting a lot of data under the amended agreement belmont's options as to what to do if if if the project passes and we don't like it a lot of times are gone that we have a lot more flexibility to protect we have that option down the road the challenge is whether we do it now or down the road with withdrawing from the regional district requires the approval of destiny and to get the approval of dessie you have to say here's our plan for providing vocational education to our students what is it one hundred percent clear is whether dessie will say we want to go out the door as a member and in the door as a nonmember it's not one hundred percent clear whether they will agree to that if we were sending two kids or four kids it would be different then if we're sending thirty kids so there's not one hundred percent ready for the forty kids from the earlier meetings we've decided that we don't you know we provide and i want to try to make it work yeah i heard anybody say  february to prove this regional agreement well you know but worse than that yeah that is this is the really bad part there's no mechanism to compel a special town meeting within sixty days and they're pushing for a special town meeting the selectmen representatives at this group said yes we could call a special town meeting if we need to they're asking for our by and to putting the region amended regional agreement on a town meeting docket for that period but the driver is to ask for authorization to go issue the debt and from my perspective and this is where i i can get your get your support is helpful it's one thing in my mind to say we support in concept the amended amended regional agreement if that's a path that satisfies other towns to me we haven't had the project approved yet by the m s p ebay so to to ask our town meeting to approve a hundred forty five million dollar bond issue when we don't know what the m s p a is going to be approving is i one other all it needs is one no right in the debt in the debt now they can go to a different wide vote on a saturday from you know the hours between noon and four and you know then we're like it's  bob indicated we could come out in this community on a saturday and vote against it and the popular vote could be in other communities could sway it to support the bill the party were captive and the regional votes against it but because of the other cities and towns devoting is approved belmont then has a second look and has an option to say we voted against it we want out two thirds of now not then you don't we don't know then you two votes my vote on issuing the debt and asking towns in the next sixty days to call a town meeting to approve the bond to issuance i think is way primary  and i'm going to vote against that which i don't use jack but that result in two special town meetings one on the agreement and then one on the back and i think it should actually result in that because i think putting them out there together at the same and we've always will be the only want to be the point has always been it's not so much perhaps even though we have a number of major building projects in town that we need to seriously consider we are part of this district and there is a need for a new school clearly it's the issue for me has always been that all of these nonmembers movements and three hundred kids or two hundred fifty three kids pay zero on capital and i think that's patently unfair and they have no compelling reason have the top three at times top four meter of students having abilities who portion of o t have more influence over a school committee decisions and you know march this this district down the right path and work hopefully to encourage other non member towns to join and then it's a reconstitution of the district and perhaps even a reconsideration of this building or so that's interesting so they join they automatically need to continue to discuss this as a board go because i can't just make i can't make these decisions laterally and bind our town other than the say concept on thursday we're in support of this revised regional remit but our board has not yet vote first of all you have a bunch of towns voting on the debt assume they're allowed out there voting on debt that they're never going to incur that's right it could be so we and and secondly you need to know i mean this agreement as amended then license approval right livery license advantage limousine tonight before that smar a circle and that's just over and all gone through the departments forward if if you guys are comfortable i think one of us should be on board rather than a liaison appointee of that's possible because i think there's too much of a disconnect but getting back to we should at least meet with our representative which happens if you begin to fund this but i'm not i also ask for the contract for first southwest if there are financial advice or you know let's have the contract that we find a contract i asked how many times they've met with the board of selectmen last three years the answer is once but it wasn't really a meeting with the board of selectmen that was at the presentation last year so it was a really a meeting that i ask ok i like to have a contract and you know i don't know what's happening in the contract we don't have to discuss it but i think to have first south west come in on monday and try to tell us first of all i do not want to tutorial on pension obligation bonds thing you know it's pretty straightforward you can google it it's not that big a deal and so if they're not going to talk to us you know about what we should do given our pensions to ation which we have a full report on if they're not going to talk to us about our bonds which we have a full report on in floyd is said to me and he'll say it again publicly he's not responsible for pension or the pension strategy or the funding he is not responsible and he's also told me and he'll say it publicly that he is responsible for setting up the old fund but he is not responsible for the funding strategy or or how we do hope that in an open it's the three of us right