right so remember for a liquor license application i'm actually going to suggest that we delete the last sentence the stand alone paragraph that's a sentence that reads this like board cautioned against over serving patrons i think that you know we would say that any time the discussion really was about the concept that as brought by the applicant that it was eighty kilos not based isn't the right word but that it's an emphasis on the tequila drinks and that's more what we were talking about so i would just suggest striking that sentence hearing your other corrections all those in the favor of approving the minutes of september nineteenth twenty seventeen that's correct and say hi i'm on to public comment or anyone in the audience think we have this all you have for president of the moment world running a little bit ahead of time and we have four people interested in the social organizations committee and a couple of are interested in something else as well as a social organizations committee so perhaps we can start with one that's only for one thing that's killing the kid who's interested in the ok so i'm carolyn and i'm relatively new resident here and looking to get more involved and in my community and and  interested and waste systems i work in the sustainability field broadly and have interacted with students always district a little bit in that realm and when this came about i just thought it was interesting and a good way to get involved at a level that felt comfortable for not having had a position like this before so to just to make sure that everybody knows who we're not going to be making  appointments like because we do have five more people to interview for various things and we also have an opportunity for more people to apply so what we tend to make appointments hopefully in two weeks so question ok so i guess my going to explore a little bit don't read anything into you know what i'm about to ask but it's along the lines of how much do you know about the district  also how much do you know about for lack of better words that's not even the best way to explain it the relationship you as a representative have as sort of the in between between the slack board and the district because there might be times in which the select board's wishes in what you think is the right thing may not track absolutely parallel in fact sometimes they may diverge significantly so if you could just talk about that a little bit i think the i should preface this by saying i think the representative on the chin in solid waste representing goes on chipman subways district board is probably one of the more onerous if you will not in necessarily in a bad sense but there's a lot going on there's a lot the district deals with there are a lot of district facilities in our town which has its benefits and its liabilities our relationship with the district has you know how do the ups and downs like our relationship with any regional entity might over time this one maybe a little bit more so because of that relationship where they have a lot of facilities in town and their goals and our goals may not always again that same thing show i'm sorry i took a long time just your thought i guess i do understand that i'm not there to represent my own interests but the interests of well list and keeping in mind the interest of the entire region and all of the different towns involved in the district and so i think i guess a i would just be careful about sort of checking my own interests at the door and making sure i was representing the town and in terms of yeah the unique pieces of how we'll stand as a host town you know i don't know a lot of the details about his early history or sort of the inner workings of the just which i guess for me i mean i see this very much as a learning opportunity especially in an alternate position and i'm hoping to learn a lot of that from the position not necessarily coming to it with that knowledge  i think i'm my experience with the way sixth district is more as you know a customer and as a sort of a business customer through my work as well and i prior to actually having the seat and sort of getting him involved so yeah i'm sure that conversation seemed like there was some up or you know he misses a decent amount of meetings for travel and it seemed like there was a a comfortable opportunity to be involved and you know what you're getting yourself into in terms of meetings and that yes yeah yeah ok good thank you for the questions thank you very much for going to it we'll be in touch thank you very  well well satisfied with their current position community resources and the demand for them and the processes of having to decide what's right for any particular resource and for foster children we stuff backpacks and give them to them as their place in a home after they leave the courthouse so as far as you know the social aspect goes i  really enjoy doing that i just want to do a little bit more within our community i'm pretty involved with just running up donations for food shelf and things like that and it's just something that strikes an interest with me and being able to do more and be more of a acting member of our community more than i am the board you getting yourself into in terms of the time commitment and what will be asked asked of you i suspect this i don't know if the word is i don't want to say it's more enjoy able but i can see where there are some real apply and i think it's interesting like it's a time where i can get back to the community a little bit more so that's the reason for the social and i mean i'm not sure to be honest i haven't had time to really research a lot about the list a elected position as you probably know so that if you were appointed no it would be until the next election and in march for that position i think probably lister's job at this point in time  and the concept of i just want to get a sense of of your capabilities you're using the software that they use to assess properties the concept that  there are people are going to quite often disagree at how maybe an assessment k map came out at about that you'll be dealing with everything from upset homeowners to let's say very savvy property owners who own you know large commercial properties or something like that and i just want to get a sense of how you see yourself fitting into that role if that makes sense down to the details you know what is what is the condition of the house is it good versus very good hey you know it's good for my opinion and you're sitting there saying i see this is very good those types of you know i just want to get a sense of your comfort maybe doing that or you the single mom with two teenagers and raising them they know more that's why difficult i feel like i i feel like personally myself i can handle and manage people quite well yes women and and i look for  the win win situations and i feel like i can compromise well as well and i'm very detail oriented and like things to be the way they should so it's kind of about how ok feel like i feel like people don't really intimidate me a person again i feel like people don't really get to intimidate me if i'm in the situation like that i feel like i can kind of turn things around or the you know you have to offer the right questions and the right near it is for somebody to take it the best way and to understand and to understand how both people are thinking and that there's no one's ever going to agree always but there's a compromise in the middle that you can arrive at and sometimes that's what you have to do when you know that you choose your question it's very helpful th you and the time commitment are you comfortable because that i suspect that times it's not a huge time commitment but at times it is going to be a very demanding time commitment yes not but i can relate and have certain points of view in that area as well but i think the lister position would definitely more challenging for sure and be kind of a more down my alley and so i about of your backyard what we do have your application here and you're interested in doing both of those things and then thornton i've lived in willesden for two a little over two years here by choice after driving the realtor crazy give your name my wife and i lived in burlington for a long time and we made a choice to live in austin after living in burlington tax rates and taxes were a critical part of that but i've had a long interest in involvement in burlington i was on planning and zoning i was on the waterfront development board  e public market called city market planning phase and site selection church street marketplace for two terms so i've had experience i've been on hiatus from that we took care of my mother in law for about four years and in burlington and so i've had a long term involvement with these types of activities this would be a twist for me but many of the things particularly on the planning and zoning and waterfront development and church street market place go up with historic and architectural situations so i've got some background in it but i have to tell you as i've looked at the changes there'd be a learning curve as far as learning the new statutes and laws and so forth but if you're very comfortable doing tha you know feel to the village verse is a private property owners feeling that it's their property they you know should have more say in how they develop their property or their home or what have you or not so i'm just curious about you know your thoughts about that potential conflict and kind of how you would handle it in how you would i guess for lack of better words you know stand up for what needs what and i'm trying to think of the correct document word the guidelines would be established for the village center if it's if i forget if it's our zoning ordinance rick maybe you can help me out you know where we establish you know the guidelines for the village you know  instance you know you cannot use vinyl siding you know that type of thing everything's that are unified develop the bylaws now that's the term i was looking for it happens it goes back to what you were talking about with a lister discussion i look at it as above average you look at it as average i don't know any other answer to that except we go back to the statutes we go back to the town  definitions of whatever and we start with that as a baseline there are reasons those statements are in place discuss it with the other person absolutely but i think both parties have to come to an agreement that this is what was intended this is a law this is the statute and work from there i don't have another answer for that that's a good answer thank   permanently and in order for the catamount community forest study committee to contemplate and and discuss various ways that the property might be used and various make charge of formulate various management decisions they really need to start with the conservation easements what is going to be permitted and what is going to be allowed under the conservation easement and that's why the drafting of the easement is happening now versus leader is that it really needs is going to be the frame so before presenting this to you the conservation commission has looked over the conservation  conservation easement and i guess if you want to add anything else like you might you know if you want to  family is for their wives into it over the years so it's great to see this happen i was just going to also say at the outset the we think about the purposes of section of the conservation easement to be very important so protecting the land for recreation productive forest land wildlife habitat and to kind of ensure community access and management that drives the whole conservation easement and if anything is ever vaguer up question in the future it will all come back to those purposes and activities need to be consistent with those and then as melinda said we do list some of the restricted uses that are the biggies that could really threaten the public's use and join in and the resource and also the allowed uses that we all agree are going to be ok in the future when we do get to the section about the very poor wetland and right parian areas hopefully you can locate those on the map those are three types of areas on the property they're particularly sensitive and add to the diversity of not only this area but the the broader landscape and so around the vernal pools there's one hundred feet around the vernal pool that is essentially saying let's not do any active management in here unless it's required to kind of keep the health of the fertile pool going and similarly there's an area around the streams of fifty feed and around the wetlands that say there could be some enjoyment in here but let's have all that as may be geared toward maintaining the aquatic habitat the water quality and the vitality of those streams and well and then lastly i'll just say there's a there's a secondary zone around  feet and so any management plan that you create to do any forest management would like to see why praxis you're going to do to maintain that habitat for him fifteen species of breeding that pool like things like leaving some what we call large debris or logs down in the forest for kind of moisture oases for amphibians and not creating a lot of wide open openings to dry out the forest floor and things like that and then finally there's a public access section that basically says that we want this land to be generally open for people to use for recreation education and all types of kind of commercial uses that he might want to use so that i'm happy to town is not a party to so i just i know there's a good answer for that i just would like to and i know we've done this in the past with other parcels in the town so forgive my faulty memory and not always understanding remembering you know why is this important is is there an option not to have an easement if there was an option to not to have an easement what would that mean does that make sense great but yeah absolutely a great question you know i think are a couple dimensions of that one is i think it's conservation organizations we want to see this if we're going to cut a poor our efforts and hearts and souls into helping make this happen we want to see this continue on into the future as a community resource and make sure that it continues in that direction and also the funders it's required at least to funders that are making significant grants towards making this happen the federal community force program and the open spaces to require that there be a permit he's made about those in a little bit i soon how we're doing with those great everybody has a kind of conservation board has actually come holder on the conservation easement with robot land trust so as a father they want to know that their funding is going toward something that will be kind of a permanent so i could if i could repeat back using different words as these entities who are certain are significant players because of funding and other reasons feel much more comfortable moving ahead when they know there's an easement in place  i don't want to use the word require but the easement it may be they require it but let's just focus on it like that it's part of what helps some know that this is a good project to continue to invest in ok well i just wanted to i heard you say that an easement to which the town is not a party to and is is that i'm just wondering if that might be a source of confusion related to the first paragraph ordered it very  convey the restricted property to the town and a conservation easement cannot be held by the same entity that holds the feeling and because the conservation easement is really like because then you would have th that the fox watching that house kind of thing so it needs to be two different entities that hold those interests and land if and then so there's actually yes six hundred eighty five thousand of project budget requires a consummate a permanent conservation easement which not only help secure you know the conservation values on the property but you know there are towns that have sold their town forest and completely kind of my next kind of general broad question out there and you touched upon it melinda which is i know we have the committee that's forming the management plan and i just would like to get a sense of how  consistent is is the easement where the thoughts of the committee at least so far do you see there being the potential for there to be some conflicts i guess really is the that the big issue between what the committee is coming up with as a management plan and what the easement will say that i maybe i should add that i'm probably not a good negotiator from this standpoint but i didn't see any anything that that struck me but i still you were more in the know than i am yeah no i mean i i i've read it over pretty thoroughly a couple of times and i didn't really see any red flags that  would cause the committee and you know consternation thing i mean there were some questions i think there are some questions related to structures and you know  land and can i read that as meaning logging or i should say logging good force management practices are ok that might include some types of walking at j forest products and quite often it talks about something can or cannot be done without permission and it doesn't say permission from who so want to now would be the reason holders which would be vermeil a trust of about housing income conservation board and we anything that would need permission would be going back to the purposes and we'd be making a determination as is this consistent with the purposes it is that's something just i'm throwing this out as a broad question i should be concerned about again it's a concept of the town saying you know i mean i'll be facetious you know we think a international mud bog is a great use of the property and you think an international mud bog is the worse use of the property and route we would be at loggerheads but i'm assuming that the times would be at loggerheads would be probably few and the issues would be relatively minor that's right i mean i think it's our intent is to structure this that so that the town can manage this as a community and you know within the breadth of what we think is acceptable on there but there are there are n i'm on the to the part where we talk about this easement permits and i was a little bit confused because at some points it talks about noncommercial activities but it conflict it's a great question and it's the intent here is to say you know we want this to be open to people for recreation education all those things we talk about  and we don't want to be a commercially run venture that only people they can afford to go can go and yet we also want to be reasonable with the tell that was to be able to offer the resources that the community wants to see but would be more costly to provide such as group cross country ski you know more and ten simply manage bike trails things like that so we want to enable the town to charge reasonable fees for the cost of that management or to abse to license it out to somebody who can do so as well but not to the level where there is profits being made on the property at the expense of community have access to  different because you go park there but there might be a nominal i assume it would be feature artist and that he would be used to maintain the trail shoes for mountain biking or a walker or somebody like that somebody interested in birding some interest in and burn a pools would be able to use the property without being charged a fee ok that's that's it for me to use would be established and by the time a lot of that at that point we need to be cooperative agreement between the town and cabinet or family center because they need to help set their annual budget and i mean they're not making money on it they're nonprofit so they but it definitely needs to be in collaboration between the town and and then whoever's managing the trails make sure you can make it work for the cushions map i was looking at the map melinda you sent and it wasn't clear but when i look at the color map with the nice with the boundaries in yellow one we just received and what's interesting combined with the sixteen acres from the pages and i'm just wondering is that at all an issue for instance you're getting from one porcelain to the other  you're going to cross somebody is private land i'm assuming potential i'm just it's the first time i've noticed that i'm just curious where people can either walk down the road or there's a right of way which is shown it's not really shown on the color map there's a little red trail there but in kind of the dark black if you go from the parking area that's going to be a right of way that the town is going to have the right to use and then across the field to the southern trail so that was designed so that when the colors no longer live in their current house and someone else does that it is likely that their driveway isn't going to be able to be used anymore they're happy for it to be used while they're there but you know so so that will give kind of the trail access to the southern parcel as well as you know the trail access over on the eastern side of that southern parcel but yeah there knowing right but it's you're right they may sit there and say no that driveway that gets you around or along the house and to the back fields might very well be caused right ok and then let's hear how how are things going our during well we were with in cooperation with the town successful with the federal grant we were ranked second in my entire country and received four hundred thousand through the federal community force program  we also got a grant of three hundred twenty five from the remote housing conservation board the state funds and then we've raised a number of private grants to date we haven't really started the private fund raising campaign but so far we've secured sixty nine percent of the whole budget and now we're ramping up private private fund raising with the hopes to close ideally june or before so we've  we're working hard on the due diligence all the title work environment a phase one survey and we'll get that to the town when those are complete for your review we've been working  come to you eventually when we're already and then also working with the management committee which has just been great they're really engaged and ask great questions and i've been really impressed by the quality of interaction in that group which is just been fantastic i didn't see anything here that was so that another grant that was received was a grant for seventy five thousand eighty thousand eighty thousand from the their mission to help clean up lake champlain so they recognize that these are some pretty significant wetlands and they want to make sure they stay stay clean actually raises a question i should have asked this before and it's a question for melinda the i think it's for melinda it's actually looks to me to be a relatively small amount of the property that is being that should be  preserved you know true but for sore secondary zones what have you i just want to hear is it is the amount of of  land in works located proposed to be protected you know no trails you know minimal if any use is that going to impact sort of the town's enjoyment of the property i guess i may not have have worded that well did you see what i'm trying to get at is this is this can become overly onerous for what some of the goals for the property might be i don't i don't think so it seems like looking at  trailer that currently goes through the wetlands from the media actually two trails so you know either they would be allowed to stay but not be expanded or maybe they would need to be relocated  know they've done good work i know we've had some very positive experiences with the v m students in the past and then my last question is kate you mentioned sixty nine percent of the funding has been raised is that include the town's contribution or is that independent of it yes that includes that includes ok ok and what is the understood i guess maybe i should ask what is your understanding of the town's contribution right now i have it in the budget as four hundred one of the grants we would really like to get it's another federal grant called land water conservation fund stateside and the timing of that unfortunately is every other year and that we were hoping for two hundred thousand dollars from that so there is a chance that i may ask later in the process  the town to front the money and this is allowed through the out of the sea of states a program to front the money and close as planned and you get a waiver from the national park service saying we know you closed ahead of time to wait for our process to happen and then will work with you to apply next it would basically be winner of two thousand eight hundred nineteen with that money to come back and early two thousand and nineteen and the state typically has about six hundred thousand to spread out and it's just four towns to apply to for land acquisition so we have a really great chance of getting that money but the timing is just a little off no guarantees but you know it it's looking good yeah yeah and the corner of that program just a sergeant has been on the property she is really loves the property and is really interested in helping work with us to to make that  i didn't mention this but the process for the recruiting process for the newer for the new position the assistant to the manager is proceeding we had the first round of interviews narrowed that field down to three the second round of application interviews is being scheduled and i have a tentative date already set up and pretty much most people already lined up so within two weeks we should be able to get the next round of interviews completed and hopefully soon thereafter a decision so i will say that i that i would i think that the interviews went well yesterday and i think are some really strong candidates that we have to be interviewed for other the one item i mentioned in my written report was a proposal involving social workers social workers would be hired through the howard center and that looks to me the town would pay when i say the town the town would pay some if not all of that cost the cost for four for example would be about eighty thousand per employee that includes everything includes wages for the employee fringe benefits supervision by the howard cent and supplies and everything and so that cost would be distributed amongst the various communities that are participating the thinking is that this will be somewhat tailored along the lines  burlington is set up with a street outreach that this isn't a street outreach program this is more a community outreach whether if there's a crisis situation involving family mental health issues  social worker might very well go to the call with the police the police obviously be the first responders but the social worker might be called in to provide assistance in that situation i also invision and i believe that the communities agree with this as well that this these outreach workers might be able to do work with families that are known to have issues and work with them and maybe even prevent calls from coming in to the police department because when a call comes in that means something hasn't worked whether it's a family dispute or someone who's addicted to opiates or some other factor mental health issue then something is broken down if the police are called and they're not the best group to be dealing with these kinds of issues so that's the thinking is to try to develop an alliance with the howard center take money that we have for me for police officers that we haven't been able to fill and funnel that money temporarily towards so sore here but before we actually enter in any agreement on that i love you so we bring it back to the slick board this is in the early stages but our hope is that we might be able to get this up and running fairly quickly so what's to say and by fairly quickly i mean possibly january so i'll be coming back if that has does happen i'll be coming back pretty fairly soon with some sort of firmer proposal but i want to tip you off that this is something that we are thinking about and i think it's actually a sign the opportunity to work as falling primarily under the police department for instance the whatever funding is needed would fall under the police department budget at this point yes yes i do see that whether it stays that way long term i don't know or anywhere even if there's a long term you know it's something we may be after at six months or a year decide hey this just isn't working it doesn't make sense or maybe it's going to come wonderfully and yeah there's lots of different issues but i don't think the wrists are pretty low in trying something and i think the potential payback is it could be very high and i mean ideally in my mind it would be great if we had this program running and it actually reduce the need for more police officers but i'm not willing to make that commitment at this point in time a get i mean it may not be you know may not be either the number of municipalities that might participate or they are sure of the south burlington shell burn coal chester williston possibly want to ski  behind one of our developments that we wanted to develop a series of trails but it was protected as prime although the likelihood that ever be used for agriculture is pretty much nonexistent  so we in order to develop that series of trails we look to see if there is an option to trade that off and the property we've been referring to is the man farm property and i'm talking about the property  how that money would be distributed as you can see that if it was being gamed sure by each neighborhood there's some calls occasions on that because we may end up not spending the full amount of grant money in which case because maybe the prizes come in under budget last round so we're hoping will be more successful than those neighborhoods this next coming around but even if we aren't there's other grants other programs and we're being very aggressive in pursuing that was one thing that i wanted to note is that because of our success and our loan program number these neighborhoods are moving up their schedules to get the work done which is a good thing but when i did cash flow an show how much money we were going to have found of our storm on our fund to loan out i did not in to submit it a and accelerated schedule so we run the risk of possibly running short of we can do and that's to do it in or loan borrowing and it's not unusual for misspellings to do this and we can set up a specific loan agreement and whenever referring to is it let's say we need two hundred thousand dollars or whatever number of four hundred thousand the stormwater fund can borrow that money from the town general fund because we have a large fund balance and then the storm on a loan fund w or the stormwater fund itself would have to pay back the town general fund with interest that's correct well the risk is we you know we're looking for loaning money to a neighborhood then every neighborhood and assuming they're doing the same thing but ultimately the general fund will be able the money regardless of whether or not the money is paid back to the stormwater fund by each neighborhood in which case the town general fund won't lose any money because the right now if we're lucky the best investments we get right now are about one percent return and if we're borrowing at least in the near another item i want to bring to your attention that's in my written report is the storm honor system for the school at the board meeting of the slight board meeting in july there was talk about setting up  a task force or study committee or whatever you want to call it at this point i'm not sure that's going to be necessary i had a discussion with jim johnson about the various issues that that isn't to say we have  a resolution but i optimistically that we will be able to resolve it without having to have a study committee so we'll have to wait and see but i'm optimistic at this point and just a reminder we have a swearing in ceremony for a new police chief scheduled for monday oct sixteenth at ten a m this will be a public event the public is invited to attend one of light refreshments and there is a press release that been issued and so we're kind of excited about that and of course i do we can to also want to offer a special thanks to two board members well three board members actually  meeting this morning with a representative from the gun club bob already and we had a good conversation and he shared with me some information that i found some surprising he said that their records seem to indicate and they're talking about in the range of two thousand and six which is the date that the vermont supreme court mentioned they said that there are a number of special events  far greater than the what has been the historical number over the past eight or nine years and so i thanked him for that information but i said i would like to see the numbers because my concern is that some of those special events might have been on wednesday when the shooting anyway and so you know i  dispatcher and i was just curious if that had anything to do with item number i remember  the issue it has been referred to the planning commission they will be taking up i would think later this month and they will be coming back with a recommendation of this like word probably in november the this may involve multiple changes the bylaws change may be simple but then you get into the whole issue about regulating activities aren't really geared for that kind of thing so what is you can be used is a town ordinance so there may be two steps if the board really wants to move forward with this change  bylaws and then adoption of an ordinance so when i expect to do it with expect will happen is that the planning commission review this and come back with a recommendation how to change the bylaws and say oh and by the way the board might want to the surface i'm a huge fan but that's because i don't understand the liabilities yet and and just that raises a question with me is how do we figure out what those liabilities are mean is there  there's a build in potential conflict there you know we have it with dogs and cats all the time particular dogs and i have in fact i was researching some of ration just today the number of reported dog bites seems to be way up over the last several years and i don't know whether that's because there's better reporting or what but the does seem to be a trend upward trend and so far this fiscally or running  yeah come flying at you i think that's what you guys a lot of people all of their dogs they all of them to run but they're not under any sort of control and they think that might be part of what's causing this is a little bit of a does it that promotes the transmission of some of the health risks that are inherent with having fallow or whatever on your property there's something there is and i'm sorry i'm not articulating it well but there is yeah yes so are there other business i mentioned that the i had based my comment two weeks ago to an individual who asked about the conflict of interest ordinance and on the face of it i looked read the conflict of interest ordinance and i said well no we don't have any way that we can presumes that a point was not true because you got about researching the statute twenty four vs say whatever section it says that each member of a board of adjustment or the r b a may be removed for cause by the legislative body upon written charges and i just want to clarify that ok one of the things i think going up to a different topic or any the whole airport you know issue is that completely off the table or is it likely to come up again or can it be brought up again and asking we can certainly bring it up again because i think there was still a discussion that the board may be interested in having it was the fact that they didn't like the wording of that particular resolution and i don't think the discussion is necessarily done did i get that i'd like to see that but i think it sure we can get it if it's if we have more information to to look at them that would be appropriate thing for another agenda item that you really like to be reconsidered it would take them a person who voted in majority to bring it back as a motion but something a little bit different it's a whole different it's maybe along the same lines but it's it would be it may not even be resolution and maybe some other type of majority of the motion was do you want staff to draft a resolution that was weird it was chosen carefully so that because i knew the board was going to like the resolution as had been propose so i gave you the option of you know giving direction to staff as to what things you might want to the resolution might be very different than the one that already been shared with you that motion was a down so as far as i'm concerned the issue is  that i think the board or at least my impression was the board thought they were voting as the resolution as written not on drafting something different jeff you haven't done that i'm sorry senator i was reading trying to read my impression that evening was that the board thought they were voting on the resolution as it was written not on the idea of having something written or drafted by the town we were all against what was written but we were not against the government did to it and that that's why i felt the discussion and everything was not on line with what was being disgusted i felt like i got off of it while i'm reading what terry wrote this is this is attributed to  the minutes we approved earlier tonight and and i'm just reading but what it says it says the resolution as worded cannot be supported at to me is the court is there right is there a different wording maybe other than she was the one that seemed to think there may be some more discussion if she did that it could be reconsidered that would bring back to the floor the notion that we had which was to ask staff to prepare a different  majority vote to reconsider have to be brought up by their ted ted or by teresa because i can't make a motion and then majority would vote to reconsider and that curve and so i know in a future meeting and other business provided it's not too late i can sit there go can we do this again ok or any other business for tonight if not