they pertain to non agenda items is there anyone in the audience here that would like to speak to a non agenda item has been sent to washington county planning department for the required forty five day review period we're recommending that monday july seventeenth be set as the date for a public hearing to take comment on the well given the crowd we got last time i think we have to have it across the street ok let's see that  each year member libraries have to opt in to the district library system the advantage to the township is that we receive services through in the district library that we would not have otherwise or we would have to spend our own funds to acquire the other thing is that to the extent that you receive money from the state of pennsylvania you could only receive it if you're a member of a history library and so therefore it's my recommendation that the appropriate  two thousand and seventeen operating budget one hundred fifty thousand dollars was budgeted for the repair critical storm sewers structures the project that was envisioned at the time the budget was put together was to do repairs the call for under arrowhead trail along sugar camp road we are still having problems getting the appropriate permits from d e p t to move ahead with their project the other project that was considered to be a critical structure into i talked to j five about the length of the project and if everything goes well we think of four weeks maybe six weeks if we have bad weather but talk the school district or we're not going to actually do the work until after school's out because it's i make a motion and we approve the contract to take our construction a motion second here not all here in two thousand and ten his home was constructed in the debt point in time it was the township simply and i'm i'm still not sure this isn't true that that there was a right  was reserved for this property since then the attorney for the individual who's purchasing the home isn't clear is it clear to him  that that easement does or doesn't exist and so what we've been asked to do is to simply memorialize what in fact exist out there this is the only way to to this home i think it's in the townships interest to be able to accommodate access to that property if so what the season does is a couple things to give once again establish the right of being press negress as well as the right to have utilities pass through there and it transfers all liability associated with those improvements onto the property to who's a property the one thing about it is that it gets back to sort of that situation we have with primrose mr lamb doesn't own this property yet and we certainly don't want to be giving some on somebody's home and each been who doesn't own that back piece of property so what we're proposing is that a council approves the easement that we hold on to it in such till till such time after closing after the closing that in fact mr williams owns this property and we grant him that ease because i've run into a few instances in the last few years where there have been whole notices put in easements and people have attempted to make an argument that they had a right to support because there was no coal notice in the instrument in my husband curt thank you thank you i came to my to object to the passing of this easement in this primarily because there's been unresolved legal issues regard this right away and the ownership of this piece a part of you know parts of basically we feel that we do have a right of ingress and egress and it is to the benefit of our property as well and when they basically added this roadway and they didn't have proper life i'm grading permits and we were suffering water damage but there's issues here with the width of this right away and we believe that it's partly in our yard with the utilities as well the way it's been constructed it's basically place barriers and it's been dismissed for the number of years and i've even got letters from the township telling me that we have the right to use it which you know i have an issue with that there's also issues as to who granted permission for this roadway to be put in because you know it's been asphalted which is basically raising elevation of this right away and we're now lower and things of this is been ongoing so we have a lot of questions and concerns  about this is there any litigation pending right now between you and the property owner while we let the current owner i guess you know we made them aware that there's an issue that was on resolved the initial owner who built the house promised to fix all of these things some of which he did with the township advice and things there with the one water issue the township did a drain on one side of the right of way and then the neighbors basically yard drained but there was a year and a half of continuous water runoff that was flooding the street and i finally was able to get out there to the mike and ask him to physically come out after a year and a half to assess the amount of water that would come down the t permit when they added that roadway so there's utilities that are in our yard because i think they were instructed to put them closest to their site summer of two thousand and fourteen it is it was given to the township score of the open space in which when we met originally ok so there's no question that we are strip of land we believe there's no tripoli however my attorney doesn't feel that it was actually out that brian home to not have that right of way to get to the township so there's a there's a discrepancy here because we have the homestead that i think are originated space actually we see this this doesn't show it but the open space if extends back in this way this connects on the visa open spaces back here so that is not this log this lot is separate and was created prior to the development that it's happens to be next to actually i think that the township we've been here so we always shared with it with the neighbor at the time because that was you know it was part of what we i guess my point is is regard out there right now that driveway in those utilities pass up to the top the other thing is schmidt's have a number of items that are really private matters between them in the property owner behind them there are two surveys that are as to where certain things are located but that's not that doesn't involve us that involves those two properties do the surveys differ as to were this right of way is look at  there with him some other people what's in the dorm sounds to me it's likely this is going to end up being a civil matter at some point which we don't want to have anything to do with so i'll make the motion that we approve the grant  easement to the lambs with the on the conditions that the easement will remain in escrow until such time as the lands close on the property and the easement will be revised to include a coal notice will be revised to fourteenth two thousand and fourteen past it must be two thousand and four because the instrument number is two thousand and four and it was recorded on december twenty third two thousand and four so could have been recorded before th plans are developed and i have heard a number of issues that people have had after the fact because they've bought a piece of property and something's been constructed and it wasn't going to the store and i think that's the point that we that question if that's a question that i think takes civil action to be in the recall that's a private man you know i'm saying if that when the friends laid out and were you hearing this intolerances and everything else there is a beginning point and when something is built that property becomes in my opinion where the foundry on its own and i'm just i'm advocating for some way that we can help residents be secure when they purchase a piece of property that they know whe damages resulting from the improvements can you clarify what that means because all these issues are there again so they're going to maintain it and then if somebody gets injured or there's probably damages or assault that driveway  been there for seven years and everybody around it agree that that's where that fence was that's where the line is you peter township might be infringing on their property except that those claims don't run against the king is the government it doesn't matter if is there any for discussion to obtain the best possible lease terms from e q t on behalf of the township i think mr smith and i both agree that the terms that are in front of council and there is also a provision of the wellbore be separated from the township by at least seven hundred fifty feet or so years so one of the things that i have of proximity to the close to his home and we estimate that to be about one thousand five hundred in another way to look at that same kind of thing is this circle is actually three thousand feet from the wellbore and each of those arrows segments or or a thousand feet it's it's my recommendation that the township enter into this lease agreement  key and i would just like to explain i have a complete appreciation for people with regard to natural gas drilling who may have concerns for either environmental or help the issues with those that are associated with drilling i also appreciate what mr ball's position is with regard to the fact that this is located on a residential piece of property to a neighboring community but having said that if we choose not to enter into this agreement if not completely extract and the only difference will be is that this valuable asset to the community owens the profits for me it will go to other lease holders as well as to we are sort of put with we know a rock and a hard place here because regardless of whether we sign this lease or not we're going to get the negative impacts of the well we're going to get the dust we're going to get the pollution we're going to get the damage to the roads we're going to get the traffic through whether we do this or not right and i think we talked about this where they are going to you know i don't know well if you count you to access the site in terms of truck traffic yes but you're right regardless of so i agree with mr balls for staying or certainly not condoning drilling in the township more certainly not condoning a operation that may be legal whether or not you agree that this operation is illegal but we're going to suffer the consequences so as callous as it may sound we bob simmons one seventy simmons wrote i've been a resident here here's township for fifty five years and i'm happy for the township and residents of the top peters township of getting this money not only that you've gone lots of impact fees you point out what has happened to get to this point and a long time ago now mike it's a long story short a long time ago five years ago i think you passed an ordinance that restricted marcellus sh it had things like forty acres and it was very restrictive it took about half of that part that ordinance took about half of my form stop the drawing on about half of it but that wasn't restrictive enough some forms around some land land around that would be safe for drop by but you still decided to basically began drilling but you know ninety nine percent and wanted to lease my farm was offering the same kind of money and of course i wanted to have or use it for a college fund for my son my father wanted to use it for retirement good money wanted to get taken advantage of that might be a good steward of my life but there are received an e mail from me and peter's township intervened with my to go with the cutie and that that particular e mail said that peter's township did not want them to get sign a lease with us because they were going to bandera computer time so and i will also want to point out my lease was no surface lease also no well on my form there was another piece of property where there was going to be a well so it was a very similar case but i couldn't get that lease because peters township intervened and told them not so here we are what happened back then was you stopped from leasing with me and now you're going to turn around and lease township property with the cutie which is great township i think you should but it really wasn't a nice thing to do really wasn't a good thing to do and i don't think it was a constitutional thing to do the last time i read the constitution constitution of masonry about individuals rights not the power of government if you use the power of government to stop me from getting that lease and now you're going to turn around and lease with the cutie not a very nice thing to do thank  clear that based on those decisions there were only certain areas where parameters were we could legally lawfully constitutionally authorize drilling unfortunately the form properties did not qualify because of the nature of the property or its proximity to resit done true areas next i would like to point out that in no way shape or form that did the township take any effort whatsoever to contact t v or any other oil and things of that nature and as i said earlier that all changed based on various decisions i didn't want i didn't want the public to hear with public that's watching this on t v i think that we somehow intentionally interfere with cost was in putting up taking down the bubble here without factoring our labor is involved in the process and the fact that the football team annually does for a fraction of the cost of what we were paid otherwise your runs about fifteen thousand dollars a year also not including utilities up through it so it is a substantial expense that kind of is concerned one of the things that is could result in something more serious one of the things that has happened is that in a number of these cases they have risen to the point that there has been  was going to process those and they have been held over we've had a meeting with the washing county district attorney for the purposes of coming to some understanding about how the ins will be processed so that's occurring in those cases will go forward the other thing is that the district attorney has has recommended that this is an issue where there are needs to be some change to the public policy that governs it and it has encouraged us to put together a meeting with congressman murphy the state rep and our state senator as well as all the parties that have an interest in this choose who lives in these homes that's the problem then when we have a number of these homes and they are not they are not a problem these people are integrated into the community and  knows who they are and it works as the as it is intended we have a couple residents who were having problems within were attempting to focus on the problem and not the nature of the person  the homes are saying what they are very much concerned about is the safety of the people in the neighborhood but also the safety of the residents of the homes and having the meetings and talking about them you know there's a  anything but you know everything you say for everyone it and i can always find it kind of remarkable that the residents here as much as they expressed concern for their neighborhood they expressed concern for the people living there at the high school the media program there is just exceptional and they continue to win awards afterwards afterwards for the entire program instead of just a wonderful collaborative effort between the time  opportunity to talk to mike marjorie mr murray believes that we may be able rather then control trucks through a weight limits that given the nature of the curve that is there that we may be able to post it no trucks in which case july tenth on the changing the definition of patio home under the uniform construction code as part of the process mandated by the state to be able to work me and the building code ordinance and in the last thing i want to talk about was i thought we had a good day on saturday i thought it was very productive in and we have lots of people show up and i think there's a lot of enthusiasm for peters of park the one thing that i was curious is whether or not council was in a position to give the steering committee direction as to whether or not the clubhouse is something that should be retained on that property or not  it's going to that decision is going to have a lot to do with what occurs both for the park development as well as the schools as well in my opinion looking at it on saturday i don't know honestly what we would do with the building if we keep it i mean the basement the amount of water infiltration and the amount of repairs we're looking at i mean if we want to have a meeting center or something like that i think it's cheaper to demolish the clubhouse and build a new building because ultimately i mean you know obviously i'm not an expert on rehabbing facilities but looking at that building i would guess it would easily cost a couple million dollars to get all the repairs done the wood needed to be done and then at that point you're still dealing with a two hundred year old farmhouse right years as a community meeting center you know general purpose building has a lot of attraction i think for probably several hundred thousand dollars you could put the building back together  that i think they should be or were they so my concern with it is just the general layout i mean the first level the main level why i agree with you you can do stuff with i mean the the basement level though where the locker rooms were i just don't see how you and you know do whatever you want to do with it america i just giving out i think that too for relatively manageable amount of money you could have a usable facility for a number of years to to to build another building he'd be talking multiple millions of dollars i think the decision is do we want a gold ring to be able to be used for community meetings you know for you and that there's a cap set of space that would be suitable for small group meetings community meetings and i i think that you know there is money that needs to be spent on the family but i would rather try to keep it for a say was if you look at what the school district is doing with their property that is literally on the path of the roadways they would propose they go to the property give it it location and proximity to the entrance on record road and i don't know whether you want that building dictating how the site develops i would ruther to what i mean the other thing is i mean if we keep it and we're only going to use it for public meetings i mean what demand how many groups do we turn away right now because we don't have a meeting space i don't know the answer to that is the library term people ways of rec center term how often do they turn them away so i mean if we're going to keep th so that you know we can use it twenty five or thirty days out of the year for two hours i mean or the seems prudent to do that i mean there's no way we're ever going to open it again as a banquet facility we're not going to be in the bank with business and quite honestly if someone's going to high school right outside of it no one's going to want to rent it for social events to look out those big windows look over top of the roof of the high school it's not going to be attractive for that purpose i think you're trying to draw some conclusions that may or may not be true i think that there's did maybe what i'm hearing is that what they wanted the additional challenges we should give the steering committee is to assume that that building's there how would you program that building what up what program a value does that building offer and maybe that's where we it's not comparing apples to apples but look at what the school district did fifteen years ago and they made decide they had to decide between building a new high school or refer bushing the old one and they decided to refurbish the old one look where they're at now fifteen years later they're building a new one and i we wouldn't think that kind of money into the clubhouse that school district sank into the high school but it's the same kind of concept right now maybe if mr ball's right we put a couple hundred thousand into it maybe it buys us five years and we can rent it out during that time period and see work goes even if it doesn't then i council and i know the township was on top of it so i assume that that is if sort of moot as well i don't know why i had this same conversation with mr brooks we're hearing today that it might not be the case we're going to once recycle i believe we should leave it up to each individual business or a big building on earth it's responsibility of the building order because your tenants change on a regular basis it's easier