understanding and most people here are going through the process for the first time never the less there is as we can to say an opportunity cost to continuing a hearing this is the second time we've continued it so i would favor the later march with the suggestion that they really should be ready for that one before it will give them an opportunity our first meeting if they're not going to be ready to say we're not going to be ready for example this evening i pushed out now want a discussion thinking there might not be time for anything for everything if we were going to have a lengthy discussion about this just so with th would other discussion other if not i would ask for a motion to continue this to march twenty first make a motion that we move continuation to march twenty which i reply to what i try to do as is every and we all remember this was a listening session where we gave a there was a brief opening presentation devoted to discussion by those presidents i think it was a well attended meeting we probably had forty five people there but yes usually i don't mind perhaps  and see if we see if i have the most of what was said what i tried to do in order to lay out everyone's views in a fairly no spin on the ball way was for both wave release flare and some pleasant street i took all comments and i grouped them under six head the first being we had presented some criteria so anyone who wanted to comment on my period all those comments together with the person who offered the comment is would be listed there and the second heading is used since so all of the comments that for moving forward on either of these issues which are captured under i don't heading for and of course as you know notes i have a section five and whether there was a consensus since we don't want to repeat the last two experiences with these areas where after a great deal of effort and a great deal of time it's clear that no one group there's not a consensus pint and a half that does not require a place that one can have a pint do some casual drinking really needs to happen in waverly square and restaurant would be a valuable addition these are not  get there was not consensus there were many good suggestions i hope everyone will look at these notes and and to there as you see fit and then i think or potential zoning and this will be one of the maybe this will be one of the major items this evening and that next meeting which will be the public hearing on change in the meeting all right so the last time they were there for you to have this conversation about the proposed amendments we spoke really a conceptual level about the kinds of things that we were looking at so what you have before you is several things in them including a red line which includes town councils markup as well as i think a clean copy and then some other information have to read the sign you've gone too far and if you notice with respect to that specific section five to five the non conforming signs if you look at what basically guard less of whether or not they're being used for church or not and that's really what he cleaned up in this in this violence that was the main thrust he also added he also went editions and in particular that it wasn't exactly clear to me from this non commercial sign edition what the implications are for  whatever your political statement is regardless you know permit needed nothing so what sort of noncommercial signs were one likely find in a residential district but that would be considered more commercial in nature as opposed to my question is  maybe located seven point five feet from the ground it may project over the sidewalk and it's now revised to say seven point five feet or higher so my question is if i have a three story building may i put my awning on the top of it as i read this and i don't think that that was in the original drafting that wasn't the case but i think the addition of mor tire opens the door i'm not sure that anyone would whether it's commercially reasonable any way she do it and i'm not suggesting that if it isn't that we change  of this this is just a small thing this is our number seven sandwich board that said one a frame sandwich word for a building should be permitted what do you mean by building there  too here we go but that means just so that means if you have a building that's a block or one tax parcel let's assume a building is defined as a tax or i just i just have a way of clarification for my state which is which has to do with commercial signs on residential property free speech we have a little side we have the  we have the signs that have the quote of the day many things which are wonderful we also have many residential properties we have signs for tradesmen that last forever for landscaping companies  know they have a sign here you know there was construction company and then something goes bad that's great because i know who to fall but after the flowers have been planted and deciding has been done i don't need to see that sign for the next six months or so though is that that's covered in this but is that as we have maybe mentioned before in force when issue and so i guess to be clear town council is not using the verb permitted to refer to the just right it seems allowed right because discretionary act by the building inspector and noncommercial signed cannot be a discretionary act as a result of the twenty fifteen decision so that's fine but noncommercial signs are not included do not only be displayed during business hours and shall be removed from the sidewalk thereafter why are we saying just the sidewalk i mean somebody shouldn't be able to like thing in the building or stuff it in their flower box it just felt like from the sidewalk left room for it to be leaning up against a building somehow so rightly so why isn't it shall be removed ther demolished without some sort of really a review from the town of at least a portion of time set aside think about what was happening out there possibly to reach some sort of a world of work with  years at this point it's sunset at the end of june two thousand and seventeen and i think there's an agreement that we want to continue to have a demolition a list of buildings call list which are historically significant buildings and one of those permit is to demolish one of those building process at that so it's here as chuck said we've been meeting us here full time to discuss what my what might be needed kind of cleanup simplify make this bylaw work even better than it does now and he also mentioned our c p a project to conduct a historic resources survey for the town of belmont based on the vote i'm a town meeting that gave us some funding to do that project the historic district commission i developed a scope of were we work with the town to advertise the project through an r f p prize process we had numerous responses we interviewed candidates and we selected a historic preservation consultant by the name of lisa masai who had done a substantial amount of work in the town of lexington so she came very well recommended she has worked for the last two years to look comprehensively at the town we did give her some direction in terms of places that we thought there were holes in the body of knowledge about belmont's historic buildings  one example was we wanted to make sure that we really had a good handle on significant buildings built before one thousand nine hundred so that was one priority another priority that was cleared at the other end of the spectrum was important mid century architecture another example was to look at his commercial buildings and then there were a few geographic areas in town that had been missed belmont you know was an example and many of the very distinctive neighborhoods in town had been inventory just looking at the area as opposed to looking at individual buildings so that was some of the direction that we gave gave to her to start to look at and kind of a neighborhood of in the vicinity of about six hundred fifty buildings that had not been evaluated or for which the documentation was very old and out of date and from that list of six hundred  fifty working with the historic district commission we prioritize the lead to come up with two hundred for which she would develop formal inventory forms and this is something that the hundred about seventy are updates to buildings that were on the demolition delay list and the reason for that was we did get a number of  questions in the process while we were developing them the demolition delayed by a lot and after about the level of integrity of some buildings had they been altered so much that they had lost their significance and so in order to really answer that question we we heard that you know loud and clear and we went back and asked our consultant to confirm or at least document changes that have been made she then did  four lisa must up also prepare prepare a report which is available online now and you can link to that on the h d c website that includes a summary of you know what she did just some interesting facts about historic properties in belmont it also includes a narrative short descriptions of some of the distinctive neighborhoods in the town and also an overview of  that she's correcting right now they will be sent to the mass which she has to struggle commission will keep set here in belmont and those will actually become part of massachusetts historical commissions is that we now have an up to date you know kind of data on as best we can on the most important buildings and belmont and it is our intent that we would move forward with a list that is actually a subset of what was inventory because in fact we found and i'm not surprised thing that that you know when you step back and you look at these two hundred properties plus the remaining ones that are on the demolition delay list you know you compare them with each other and you look at which are the most significant some started to you know fall down as a lower you know lower significance so we anticipate a list that is fairly substantially smaller than what was what had been in guidance on what to consider but we feel that we have you know good data and it's very defensible lauren thank you very much and other members of the historic district commission consultants were probably in particular the december power point presentation and in looking at the december power plant presentation i noticed that my own model was rather prominently featured but it did not i had not thought of recusing myself so with the expectation that the list would be a relatively large list and therefore if i was there was not a need since i was a member of the large of a large class of residence but if it is going to be the member if i'm a member of a smaller class of residence that i had anticipated i would be happy and i would be happy to ask barbara to continue carrying the discussion as i leave for console in time for the next meeting i would have been sort of surprised if it weren't there yet but nevertheless if anyone has any discomfort with this this would be a really good time or feels the our consultant our consultant did the list blindly to ownership it was all about historical significance i primarily are careful  right all right in that case the floor is open for discussion and questions interest we've had three losses of the one hundred forty nine buildings that were on the lead well the owners came with a very large pile of documents related to unsafe conditions in the building and they were very very prepared the commission listened to the work the the issues we affirmed the historic significance of the building but we waived the delay period and that was absolutely consistent with the intent of the way the bylaw is written which is that the the historic district commission has the ability to reduce the delay period if the owner shows due diligence that they have explore all options and in that case they came to the public hearing with due diligence and we responded appropriately i think those are the last case however is primarily the reason for the for the twelve month delay and that was one twenty two waverly street which i know the plain words very very familiar with when that came to us several members of the clan of the historic district machine mike smith joe cornish and i met on site with the developer and the real a tear and talked to them about different ways that the property could be developed we had a public hearing it was until very intel recent issues it was the largest attendance we've ever had in a little historic district commission meaning we had huge neighborhood turnout in favor of preserving that structure it was just a lot of neighborhood concern but you know at that point by the time we got to the public hearing with notice with all the notices required and so forth there was really only i think about a month and a half left on the delayed period and there just was no incentive you know for any discussion and so you know the developer waited out the delay period in and moved on we would have loved to have you know had a constructive conversation about different property owners who are on the list about the appeal process and so forth so we have a lot of you know processes in place that we think we can use you know in the next  and come to hopefully to fruition to agreement on the tasks as well as the list would be presented and hopefully come to agreement on the left as well but i but you know so far we've talked about yes retaining the appeal process for example i originally thought we didn't need it but i was then that it was a good idea and i'm totally on would read you build in a process to update the list simming the bylaws when the books and you know that's a really really good question and and i think you know one of the reasons for the information is become comes available so we don't have a we haven't talked about that yak about having a process for presumably would have to go to town meeting since the list is part of the by with you agree yeah yeah yeah so i think if there was right now the language says no buildings will be added so so we commit to it by along with the set mean we have this this is you know we have this online i grew we've made the conceptual agreement that we're only going to choose from those properties that we have completed inventory farms for because that's the only way really you have enough data to know you know if they have sufficient integrity and significance so if you're  just makes it a little bit simpler and easier to manage and also i think a better delay period so i am a little concerned about taking on both propose line and then send in a public hearing next week that feels like returns i don't know if you've gotten any reaction on the sign by lies but i mean we are really getting a lot and i don't know how others feel but seventh that can you have questions or want further refinement on something that doesn't give you much time to work to have followed subsequent meetings you know i can make suggest that we need between now and your next meeting and we you know give you something to look at and could we have you know five described what he planned to do  i think it happened at best to leave it at that jeffrey you have anything you want to report out of just just to things will quickly i don't know if anybody's been by the buildings are coming down yes anybody's been side actually and very major sort of red containers that are on the street actually of the d watering trucks that are actually part of the remediation of the property and the only other thing is that with respect to the ram that was a twenty day the only concern that i had leaving the meeting was that we all understand that in these big projects there is a line the develop he's charging ass as he's asked to do things he's charging items against that contingency line and my only concern is it's a long process  some issues will be more important than others and i would hate the number of things happen when the developer runs out of that contingency line and none of them are good i have some concerns about that discussed one of which is important the planning board is the likely topic of modulars and that will be coming to us and the question is you know how many where we know the place that the middle school which made it very kind of straight ahead all the infrastructure is there but some of the schools that have been the norm and issues are elementary schools and the considerations if you want to take a look at possibly a butler school or a burbank school would have a different set of questions that would have implications for the planning board so he prepared for a discussion about being said but also just started looking at different configurations of the school just in terms of like not configurations architectural business but in terms of like what superintendent failing is has shared at various p t o meetings in various schools in other words configurations of seven through twelve eight to twelve in the room and the numbers things like that so we're looking at all things that the capital budget committee is looking at but right now it's