and two other things are going to be addressed by that amendment to the parking lot for the traffic wardens to establish a no parking zones so denise barnard is here denise would you like to s  if you're at the bottom of west whitetail going up there are six parcel six slots on the right and then there's two car two lots on the left but all eight of us make options for us states last year when you had made some changes  road we didn't really have a problem until the dugway road issue changes happened and they didn't allow people to park there or walk across their land and now we feel  to all the properties get together three weeks ago for a business meeting just to talk about the neighborhood issues and what can we do and some of the things that have been happening to individuals property and they asked us to come here and to talk with jeff and then talk to you guys to see if you could help us out but the new area that you made janus has a bigger lawn but what's happening is the two spots that you put on the top of her property i mean she's had quite a little show she sees people changing their clothes and you're in aiding and you you can't believe some of the things she's witnessed but not quite that bad but  but yes yes i feel like i'm living at the entrance to a state park basically that's how people are treating both of those so there's just so you know there's the  beside the stop sign and then there's a pull up behind my car so people feel free to basically just park there and they're not only parking on one side of the road now the parking on both sides of the road so we were hoping that maybe we could get a sign no parking and you know either side the rain stopped at least on one side of the road to eliminate you know because i'm surrounded on three sides by people who live like this  public land and there's a actual entrance by a serving as clinton's property and he wants to keep it open and put a no trespassing sign there because  we all allow the vermont fish and wildlife department to come across our land to do so if they do fish hatching there and they stalk it from our meadow and we let them drive across to it but they always call first they always ask one of the neighbors a couple weeks ago i went out back and some person was teaching a fly fishing class and his back was never asked and then there their people have found you know diapers and trash and they bring their hot keys down and they have a barbecue then they dump their hypoxia and go and never asked any of the landowners and not even picking up after their dogs on the big people walking on your property you have no idea who they even are there just know there's lack of total disregard of people came to the door and asked all the neighbors all the neighbors agreed to park in my yard parked in my r to go swimming thank you for asking but they don't even ask anymore and a few of them at the meeting wondered if possibly they are confusing that parcel of land for the richmond land trust land which is across the road from here and then kathleen gent sent out a letter about great swimming holes to go to and i think jane responded to her i know you will know i crossed out because i was for a little too angry to doyle responded to her and said please do not include our backgrounds in this document and so i have a copy of janet's they couldn't i mean jane and i are the ones representing the neighborhood but it was a good meeting and we just want to try to maybe if we limit the parking maybe they'll go away you know just because again since there is you know in a way it's not my call in the city you know it's the accesses on his land but i do feel pretty surrounded you know and i have it's one thing if it's neighbors it's another thing it's each of them have found like unbelievable trash on their one you know just total disregard not even bring it in my get out they just leave it so you know whenever i walk down to the river i always bring a bag and i always bring back a bag of trash understand i did talk to krista about this to chris count about maybe putting up a sign making it clear what monitoring or control over it so that i don't have to be looking out my window and locking my door all the time and this is this private property that there it is they're all you know pull over and took their car into my garage which has happened in the past you know and i hate to put up no trespassing signs you know i would like to be a good neighbor but off by the stop sign when when the town changed the road we thought that this was basically a pull off for a talent trucks or fire trucks it has turned into a place where you put big boulders on the other side you put enough park on the side of the road if when you're going down west well you know if you could put like the big boulders on the left where you can get three or four cars and then if you put the sign on the right do not park you know no parking to take a left and now it's even harder because you have the two parking spots but they cram four cars or trucks into that right there are land trust parks right there right and it is really hard to see left and now with the parking on the right side of the road if you're going out at the stop sign it's like crazy you can't tell who's coming in who's going through the proposal is to eliminate parking on  and not this way i think that would help and i think people are confused coming from out of town and take all the sequential slammed right so i think if we if we say there isn't going to be parking on either side of the section and and when it would help us on the interest board if we can as a as a group can figure out where these people are going because the early part of the conversation was they're going on jonesville estates they're going to drones that will states and when i drive by i see people parking and hopping on their bikes to ride cockrum sunday and then some are going on land trust land so it's i think we all need to be partners here some of it is going on the land trust land and previously they were going on the bo your land not to get on the land but to get to the river the one who ski or the money to river to recreate there but i think it's there's lots of different uses that are occurring there in the party right or wrong is supporting those use judicial bureau per state law appeals and parking tickets are handled by the town of richmond to within fifteen years after the issuance of a parking violation defendant must submit to the town clerk a written request for an appeal including reasons for the appeal upheld were dismissed written records of the decisions shall be kept by the terrible clerk the appeal shall be heard decided within fifteen days of receipt of the written notice to to the tail number five of the defendant does not charge parking because i think we'll all regret it if we don't keep that issue turning over particularly with economic development going on in the known years that i've lived there i've seen that the use of that area grow steadily and it is a case that tomorrow i'll give a brief background two years ago the owner of this property was cited for having an unauthorized store on permitted accessory apartment to convert the garage into an apartment  and the tenets of that time complain we have a health officer complain the nurse a violation was issued and not appealed but the order temporarily went somewhere else and a member of the  which raises the issue of the original enforcement action and how do we handle it and that's a good summary if the original notice of violation went out april s upon when i went out to decide to look what i did on on may fourteenth was late was writing a letter as a reminder that  gave deborah mobs seven days of the dater the receipt of the notice to take corrective action and no word from her so along with  that it may not have all the facilities now on the inside you know quite a bit of violations and berman from on the rental housing that she would have to bring it up to up to par but there would notice a violation if you do her for debris and trailers i guess there were some trailers on the property and that she did remove and you know the that time remedied so   very inadequate in needs and i've listed off what the apartment needs or is deficient in and i'd like permission from the owner to go back to inspect it again but probably after it's becomes a permitted you right i don't need to inspect the non permitted years if we don't allow the use to continue right right so i will try to boil it down you  e from the officers for the use of the apartment doesn't read code but we're not asking you to take any action on that right now from the zoning standpoint apartment should be outstanding violation is still active from two thousand and eleven the question is should we issue a fine because it's gone corrected in the euro continues to try to read if you don't want to love you fin would you want to levy i you know one hundred dollars a day for two years is outrageous and we're certainly not asking for that but i think something has to be done to get your this attention on the band and to use as an accessory or  disagree that one hundred dollars a day for two years is outrageous i mean that the orders stood it still outstanding just because it they never followed through on it doesn't absolve them from the situation to the if nobody's living there she could call it a garage again it doesn't have garage doors on it it doesn't really look like a garage but if nobody's living there it is attached to the house at this point is resolved and if she does start renting it again we can approach the issue again i mean the science got to come down but that could slow down the wind so right she would not rented again because it's so substandard i'm willing to go visit with her it's not your pleasure to encourage your not to rent it again until it is it meets zoning and housing she did not move any of the three so that can be part of the conversation that needs to be done and should probably be given a timeframe on and she can be fired if that's not done could mean there are options to the us and so maybe presenting that we knew visit her of who will take those tires and what the process is that might be the and and the fine should discussion favor if we interview six candidates for the remaining slots on the plane collision the plane commission's firstly five numbers because we reduced the membership six months ago because several people resigned and they were having difficulty getting the kora so we have three functioning members of the planning commission now and one of those members six indicators and tend to resign as soon as replacements available so some deliberation individually personal conversations really need to have a conversation of how you'd like to proceed you get to point two people so so how in the past we've had one person we said yes so now is this a vote is this recommendation over please is ok voting on people as they come for your rank it might be more helpful if you can get a consensus on a slate of three well there you have to be asleep three you can sort of talk through the candidates ok and i don't know if you wish and second you could do that if you want to but i think if you sort of give your thoughts go or go around the table and then ask for nominations and it might help the say well if you are willing to come back again exactly violence here and then let's give you the opportunity i'm going to agree with that as well i'm going to put forward another nomination i want to nominate  about because i think that he's got a lot of experience and history with the town and i think that he could bring maybe that piece to the planning commission that didn't agree with all were nominated because that's typically the fair way that the idea at this point is to keep it at five and that's mark and planning commission's recommendations are going to we're going to go along with their recommendation and only keep it at five at this point that doesn't mean in the future if that w recommend that any one of these four consider the d r p so i want to put that out then there are openings on other committees as well so it would be great because we know that we have a group of people now who are interested in in serving it would be great if they would look at some of the other openings that we have ok this is interesting so because in the order of nomination really is not necessarily it's because who spoke up first so i i'm i'm wondering if we should go through i don't know i mean we there are listed currently in the order of how they were interviewed is that right and a right we did brian indian first name and then bruce and mary and so we will vote on brian first right because he's the only one that's been nominated that interview the first name his so he's up next so i so that leaves and who is nominated so if you voted no she can't get votes so we have our three members four of them planning commission that was harder than i thought was going to be but it's done so that's good thank you very much worse thing that there's actually no i know exactly that so thank you and i again want to reiterate those who were interviewed and were not selected please consider other positions that are available particularly d r p because there is one seat open all right that case we have more than three probably should do a short interview and make a decision ok first was it wasn't your plan four five it was four or five so if interest i guess where i mean if we're going to be interviewing them and we should we should definitely be sure that we're inviting them to the next meeting so that you can have your government's committee started on this and so things have to come in fast if we're are that on january first two thousand and fourteen all the employees all the full time employees here have to be covered under the new health exchange because they work for employer with fewer than fifty they're being put into the health exchange first employers with more than fifty go further down the road and i think there's the single payer laws that go into effect in two thousand and seventy but we're not going to get into that right now but this triggers a lot of questions and a lot of thoughts and we provide very good health benefits to our full time employees right now that type of plan will no longer be available it will be what the health exchange offers which if you'll look in your memo they're going to be for tears of flames platinum gold silver and bronze into carriers on to insurance companies mohawk valley plan and blue cross blue shield they both have to cover the same final but premiums are very similar so when you talk about the platinum gold silver and bronze differences are primarily in premium cost and how much the insurance company pays one a platinum plan the premiums would be the most expensive and the insurance company would cover ninety percent of the claim for gold that goes down to eighty percent s seventy in bronze i think a sixty percent of the clean so they all cover the same thing is just how the insurance company pays or says how the employee or the employer your employer pays plan and we pay one hundred percent of the premium and we pay seventy percent of the high deductible if we could piece together something that looks very similar to that or we could make changes it's important to point out that one of the most important changes that you might consider is dropping health coverage altogether because  are federal government coffers certain tax credits for income levels that would help employees pay for health coverage of their employers did not provide for them an analysis of that needs to be done an analysis of continuing to provide benefits needs to be done i think i really think we need to have a committee of select board members employees and being able to reach out to some experts so that we understand what what the options are or what the best plan would be for not only employees but for the town's budget and the taxpayers  this is a real in your face reexamination of how we provide health benefits or whether we should provide health benefits and there's ramifications for everything you do fish shifting the cost to the employee versus continue to maintain some level of benefit you can think about a lot of different things when you're going through this but it's not a snap decision i think should be very thoughtful decision and i think we need to pay attention to really what the way the industries go on however that may be no no no you need to try to bla new trails for getting through this was i just don't think that we're going to have the capability to come up with just you know a whole new direction around so i've got imagine that there is some  hope that there's some kind of support being set at all accounts you're going through this i mean what is there really a network that we can plug into a people who are asking the same questions there will be you know  about it but they do have some very knowledgeable people though some of our i went to a few weeks ago it was put on by real c t and vermont health connect and i would say the real city's health trust is committed to helping you answer questions and getting you information getting you educated as much as they can so you've got a number of other towns that will be going through this also as to what could possibly be the best way i think is going to be largely unique every employer it's not just going to be towns but it'll be all this more borders in the state are going to be looking at this how do they cover their employees should they cover their employees   it's a pretty big broad issue and it's going to take several months for us to become acquainted with it and you're right a lot of other people will be looking to do the same thing you understand what the problem is i think your recommendation to put together this task force is a good one and i would like to volunteer to serv believe but seasonal help doesn't count if it's within a certain time period and you don't you know group employees like if you have three people that were ten hours a week right that doesn't become a full time mean it's really time and that's why the task force is like what you said we need to look at what is now our common practice as opposed to what we've always done and what is the industry doing and  insurance broker who may help the company are right they didn't get too much into that under the law they have brokers and they have a gainers and it's not clear thing you know who knows but the sucker really substantial difference the first thought was that what they call the navigator which is really somebody to help talk you through your choices was going to be less important but they're all there the thought is that they are going to be more important but we're not quite sure how they would get compensated so i mean the state has really an obligation to live up to if you could think outside of richmond employees there's going to be a lot of people in vermont that are going to be mandated to have health coverage right they're going to have to enroll in vermont health connect yes you know if you're talking even a two person you're fifteen sixteen thousand dollars to try to head people to avoid going into health care i think it's going to be have coverage on january first time for us to fight it harder for families to budget right i mean it's been out there it's been everywhere saying that this is going to happen so but it's you one last thing i wouldn't want employees to pick up the times they can see that we've been talking about this if you haven't told them we're talking about it by here ok perfect great thank you near the beginning of the line there is that the word should be privately and the main cleanup there it actually isn't as bad as you might think it's mostly about the building that's becoming more expensive because the buildings are coming in so that increases the cost as it's harder to get in there large you know you're smoking there that we have no proof that it's empty so we can assume that it's got something that does pose a public health risk also get permission to clean up other parts of the lawn at our expense to we have to consider why why we want to go in there right well i do we have to it's a enormous really well i guess my point is that a higher seems like where it seems to me that we should be in there tomorrow if this is actually full of explosive ammonia it's not the explosive nature of it k so either way poisonous gas or explosion right but it's a private property crime and like for any other private property what we would do is take an owner from my perspective it's your responsibility to get this clean because saying is that we if this is real and we're actually afraid that there's ammonia gas leaking out of there there has to be a step that we can take this week to figure that out if not i think we're falling down it we will recoup those costs from him into what we need to do in order to resolve that anything else ok let's go back to depot street parking we or inching closer to having a fits right so what about the water we don't have approval from the water commissioners to spend the money and that's been a significant point of contention and many many meetings now we could just do the parking lot and out to the line and then have a drink in october and take up the pavement we could certainly do that and it would make a whole lot of snow which would r attractions or destinations on either side of the bridge are there any significant regular traffic flow issues that the state needs to know about you know do we know of  we have we had a meeting on alternatives to satisfy fema section one zero six zero alternatives review where preservation vermont submitted several or two alternatives to acquisition and devolution after that meeting we thought that was the last step and application process here turns out that  has to be allowed in the structure to be able to assess it to see if there is a potential there could be relocated so we're still considering that  and the application has not been submitted female yet so there's a lot of communication on this section one hundred six review that the one state one satisfied to there were fulfilled to their satisfaction before we submitted to fema and there's a lot of speculation about whether or not there's a potential buyer as or potential side to move it to that sort of thing favor are the states still try to work out a time schedules to when will get some answers to some of our questions but i think that the town you know from my point of view sort of feels like we're not sure what the next step is because we get continually told that if we do this thing that will satisfy this one or six review and then the next week we get an e mail saying you have to do these other things so i'm not sure exactly what the benchmarks are going to be but karen i've been working on it and we're trying to get the contractor that did the original television relocation estimate to come back and do a a further review closer inspection of the structure to satisfy any other answer questions as to whether the structure is capable of being moved to elevate him beyond that i'm  waste is increase their salt waste management fee from twenty two dollars six cents down to twenty seven dollars a ton they estimate that the potential impacts on r will be four dollars and forty five cents per household per year so it's not an extreme amount of money it's you know less than fifty cents a month so the feeded go up if you see a headline shouldn't be too alarmed but you can always contact means all ways for more information eco's plan which is the regional plane commission's big federal eco screen and we have a draft of it here in the office of public income in request to take a look at it  and you have a couple of department reports of believe you have the police report and maybe