this kind of what the objectives were i think the issue is getting people together because of the holidays and with other priorities around election season but also recognizing the fact that we need to do something about the rates in order to a number of people in town is is i think that the consensus from the public was that they really wanted a broader discussion with some of the people who would it would affect and that happen that's going to take a couple of months it's that's just how it works and but in the meantime we have bills to pay and so i didn't know how i thought and i thought we had talked about this how folks felt about doing the rate increase that was proposed for mayor journo whatever it was knowing that we were going to be really really doing the air use over the next couple of months the whole read you put it that we continue to put this off and the longer we put it off the the larger the increase may have to be and i don't want that to happen i would rather have small incremental increases so that they're am i'm on board with you i just want to make sure that we're able to pare bills that's my biggest concern and knowing how long sometimes these rate rate reduced and implementations can take and leave i mean have i'll take some of the blame and already wasted some time i mean things get in the way so so i'm fine with planning for a public meeting maybe two months away knowing that meeting we would have our regularly scheduled meeting in the middle so we could schedule for the middle of march people maybe time maybe meeting doubt public meeting out but i don't i i hate to wait till april just because i work is is it's i mean we could set up a which i don't advocate for but you know we could become our own water district and then or a fire district and then only the people within that fire district voted on it we have the fire district in town it's over up on out west right off of us right hill and only those people in that area can vote on on on general obligations and it also but it also doesn't then go to the town whereas in a situation like this because it is the richmond water department while it is supported by grades from users it is the obligation of the town  mean i wouldn't be an advocate for bringing it up on time a day i don't know how the rest of know i think the way to get a good turnout is to have the proposal like you're talking to give people some to look at and some kind of summary to serve because if we're talking about significant rate increases that's pretty motivating factor  torches so we can probably address this in a in a in a better in a better way so i'm i'm happy with saying that at our march meeting that we will present the findings of of something something for people to look at and we will have we can have a discussion and hopefully make a decision at that meeting so that if we make a decision at that meeting we can we can have it be implemented at the beginning of the next fiscal year if that so that it would give people a couple of months kind of like we do with taxes we pass the budget in march and the new fiscal year starts at the end of june in pretty good shape we i think it would help if we could get some from it like if that next meeting we're looking at the financials and we're starting to get in their head then we need to do stuff i mean you have to admit that we have to do something about it at that point be able to not to be able to get to the water during have in there for the tractor back out right so one hundred four paving and then the waterline would be separate from that as to whether they want to approve that as an addition to the budget and so that's going to be an article obviously we'd want to do the water line underneath it and so that's about fifty some odd thousand dollars so we could put it in the capital plan which means it would need to be added to the twenty fourteen budget time so you know with the file with the five year notes that we do that we have the ability to deliver different brands or is actually a good is a good solution for this because it's going to last for fifty years and so paying ten thousand a year for five years makes sense or taking some amount out of out of the capital to split it makes total sense i'm starting to sort of you know as we look at kids spending more and more money  problem which is which is the take the tank is i would say sorry economic development but it's almost more of a pressing issue than that water line project i mean that to me is small potatoes i mean no offense to fifty thousand dollars a small potatoes we can we can figure that one out that doing a short term i'm not concerned about that it's the tank we desperately need to do something about the tank before we do in my opinion any other infrastructure improvement project so we need to get we we need to get engineering started on that and we need to get that cost  in our hands so we can know what we're looking at as it relates to cost and the impact it has to rates become part of the long term play go to start solving some of the way for the taken care of sooner rather than later absolutely sure we haven't made any decisions because we've been sort of dealing with the budget of the capital plan for the past couple of months so i feel like i feel like that will be part of the conversation next month is that but the before we even get to that point we need to spend some money engineering on actually doing the engineering for us and we have forty five thousand dollars in the capital plan put in for half white fourteen which means the study wouldn't even start till july w up with a proposal for the allocation and payment of all charges related to this and that love they ought to be treated the same be given give the slip board up a big picture you know how to do this and one thing that and the planning knowing that it's paid for after the project is completed so where we're borrowing finance with the understanding that we paid it off after the project is completed so it could be a couple of years out as it doesn't what it should i guess the question is should we keep it in the capital plan is something that we build into the budget or because if we build it i mean if we build it in the budget then we  rates on the budget if we don't need to spend it out of our brains and we can get it out of a loan that's paid back sometime in the future or we work with the town to help fund that right right ok stand by a generation dr with oprah should we should we increase it to twenty three thousand to match or do you want to get into whining so we can increase i mean three thousand no just rather keep consistent with some of the some of the figures that we've received  no when and if it passes on town meeting day so we don't so we can actually let's take that out of the capital plan and we'll wait to see what happens on town meeting time the that the capital reserve line would need to go up by another forty five thousand dollars which means receipts would need to come up another forty thousand dollars and we're already down sucked into receipts frank conversation with the select board who really i think drives a lot of these improvement projects because as we all know there's no point in doing the right things for it without doing a restructuring so we need to have a frank conversation with the public and ourselves about and is that the opportunity is not going to be ok are you are we cutting off our nose to spite our face to try to not get increases in that to a comedy creases in debt so that it's going to start we're going to have different names not yet budget and do you spend every year i feel like i'm looking at what the waterline replacement is because that's actually also in the capital capital budget is to put it put in twenty five thousand ok and are we and we actually putting money into our capital funds we do we spend it all so  meetings ok we're a few weeks we'll bring it back and we don't have to decide on this by town meeting day right because this is separate from the you know typically we've been having the annual meeting which is when they've been voting on the really there's the things that are driving the budget are things that we can't control but we can certainly we'll talk about this next meeting hopefully harold to be here looking on mediums go we adopted this building policy which is a little different than what it was before but essentially what we have in here  is one percent interest each of the first three months of each quarter and one and a half percent each month on the build up plus an eight percent penalty something called a floodway which is really where the current of the river flows during the flood state regulations as well as our own prevent anything going in the flood so the town mistakenly allowed t kicking it around and we put together a plane to relocate it next to the water wastewater treatment plant and can build ready to plant the can get across the road to a two is that was where you have to set up all your equipment and stuff right by the gate to do any kind of upgrade so we get equipment and everything i don't expect to be here but at some point you'll have to do major upgrad trafficking recreational traffic and crazy people going up and down the road with a different speed and everything's baseball shared will be across the road up near the treatment plant instead of right where the baseball diamond is involved with we would the location near the waste water facility and there's only a permit for it in place so there will have to be procedure to move it to a way to even come up with one we have no basis to even project a future loss based on anything past loss or some miracle engineering technique that we don't know have one repair which was fifty dollars on the flip side that means we don't have to five fifty thousand dollars to do the match i would just like to start the meeting by sending out our our thoughts and prayers to the children family and staff of sandy hook elementary school in newtown connecticut and we have a very full agenda tonight so why don't we stick any brief comments from from the public and then we will go through the agenda in a timely fashion just so that we get through to we have an appear mr chair the last meeting we talked about the recreation director proposal which would be a pay part time position for how we might develop of a formal proposal to go before the voters duties for the position that we're thinking would work out to be about ten thousand dollars for the first year here expectation that we will revise our fee structure and try to expand what the recreation director would be involved so that it would be able to take on more programs and generate more room i don't think this position would ever be completely self sustaining but i think we could offset at least half of the cost by restructuring our feeds so some examples of what the person would be doing with sensually to take over the management of time work relations director and we want to also have this is an australian ballot so if the poor was to approve this question you would set a date and i would recommend jane very eighteen the spring would remain uncovered did you guys address that go ahead that would be we haven't had time to address that and i don't know that we could put together much of anything the strain on it i don't know that we could hire somebody the reality is it's like you know you know there's going to be a lag time anything like this and i mean even the position that we you know as we went through and made this position you know all the responsibilities and everything and sort of cut down what we are originally talking about in terms of hours and things looking at it back you know we community may not want to spend a huge amount of money on as and over time if it's successful it can build on itself and you know our imac position could build over time  nothing should be off the table but it's going to take some real creative thinking and we've never we never designed or existing fee structure to do anything more than offset some of the maintenance really are half the cost of other times i mean we keep it low purposely but at the same time we could be a little higher in still be ok if we had offset a little cost for this would make the program unreachable parklands and when i think about fees i think it's going to have to be afraid of a seven year are you know planned where someone is looking at free structure annually though so there is someone looking at increases over a longer period time so it is about sticker shock was fifty dollars last year now it's one hundred but if it was one hundred ten years down the road you know so there's phasing out of the structure and i think one of the conversations that i thought was interesting is hein g has a much longer standing you don't hire position and they're getting fifty five thousand dollars generated annually in fees and that's a town that population why this is very similar to work and i didn't have a chance to get into the details there are actually a lot of grants i think out there that we don't need and nobody has time to actually tap into them and that was and i mean and the reality is we took job descriptions that are tested at two towns locally and that was in both of them so certainly it seems like it's a make sense part of a wreck directors position given no the powers that we're talking about are pretty nominal i mean we're talking about twelve hours per week so it's not this job description i think is it's you know kind of this sort of shared hours through the year but you were going to have to figure out how that would work rather than that maybe again something that develops over time we could could do or that we wanted to do in the first site visits and that sort of thing we've determined that we want to go with the regional planning commission instead of applying for the screen because the screen be cumbersome likely push the project off a year a bicycle protest walk but i honestly think that if everything goes the way we want to it's five years this is not going to be a quick process and it's two miles worth of sidewalk whatever you construct it out of there is going to have to be so earth moving you've got flood plain and what lindsey issues to work around as well  well the gas line i think would probably stay away from the gas lines and i i have a vision a swipe at the shoulder of route two so we'll just be building over new ground but this could be more than five hundred thousand dollars  maintenance of something like this and it's i'm presuming that something like this that owned by the town because it's not going to be part of the  be richmond's responsibility to maintain it and whatever level that we choose we need going forward it's the build it and then we give it to you so maybe they're going to pay to build it but you know concrete pavement whatever it's not going to last forever maybe ten fifteen years you can it's just like it's just like a regular sidewalk you only get a certain amount of time out of it and i mean at least one e mail that i did receive from somebody you know he expressed concern that that having a separate pedestrian and bike path would detract from the fact that bikes should be allowed on state road you know that are legal and state roads and that it may detract from the efforts to try to get the line widened for bicycle traffic and see consul general the good stuff and so i don't want to detract from the but i also recognise that there's not a lot of we can get those questions answered like who then takes over and what's the expected maintenance of it perhaps you could spend it on a nonprofit and the richman track was the main to that head all right so now we're into the other business section of the gender in we have one two three four five six items here and my strategy for getting through this by a bit after nine was to allocate about a half an hour right upfront to the town manager discussion and talk about various aspects of that and then try and cover the rest of the items in ten or five minutes and some of them i think are quite quick on your promise let's get down to the town manager discussion what we're doing tonight is the next step in the process of moving from a town in ministries to tammet your form of government that has happened in statute in the town of richmond but we are implementing the it ministry of aspects of this trip to the way so tonight we're doing is we're interviewing the town manager candidate which is which is jeffrey panic and you can talk a bit about the outreach strategies both for the public and for town employees in richmond and how best to accomplish that with the goal of clarify the relationship between the town manager ok well i think up at this point it's is a chance for the slick or two to ask questions of the candidates the town manager and i'm also opening up to the to the public to ask questions as and i'll kick it off i guess with them a question that's sort of person and foremost in my mind just as we've been going through this whole process is jeff where where does the for you in the way that you're looking at this where does the line to get redrawn between what the select board will be handling in meetings like this and what you'll be handling on handled by the town manager without having to come to us for approval you'll get reports on what personnel actions have been taken such as new hires whether  valuations have been completed the cost of living implemented if somebody left a position you'll get reports instead of requests for action some things will still come to the the set schedules for select work there are a number of policy issues that have been hanging out there for quite some time for staff is going to be directed to organize those and w try to implement some policy subcommittees where things will try to get moved along others faster schedule but actually get it completed and not hang out there so so it will also start to put together  a running list of open items and a deadline for them you'll get that on a regular basis other changes that you'll see already that  will try to start to get problems handled at the staff level a lot quicker than somebody having to come to the select and if they do come to select a word there shouldn't have to be a why the select our discussion on how soft tissue is should be attention to the road or facilities people commonly will come and select a word because they know you is elected leaders and say that they have a problem with something you'll be able to say that the town manager  biggest challenge is really going to be the process of getting people used to the there is now going to be especially for staff one point person that's going to you know we've been operating under a strong ministry for a while i think that's going to a good introduction and i think people were used to that change and i think the love of the responsibilities been a gradual going to be something one of the other stock picking up on and i would encourage anybody if it looks like i'm missing something or just a call to see if i am missing it or if i know about it that i made  know you trust i will be able to handle something even if it looks like your thoughts not going right a conversation can go miles towards resolving on the answer questions them in terms of financial planning you know we go through the exercise like we're going through now with the with setting the budget will the what changes work will there be to that process bel process that can be an ongoing development for the crew that i think we did pretty well this year with getting the partners to submit things in a timely manner but the bringing the departments in that may be accelerated get that done earlier in the process so that you know hopefully by this time next year a workable budget but i think overall i think  question but do you curt other currently meetings with each division head or department or department head or department meetings where it's like once a month we all kind of get around and this is where we  there is we every two weeks we have a department meeting where you review the preliminary agenda for this like board meeting and also talk about other tasks and when you go there's a lot of improvement for what we overseeing in tracking progress and measuring progress against goals and so i think in there's a part that just going to do and change the way that he does but there's part that we need to do is change the way that we do to you know at the beginning of the of the years of sitting down and mapping things out and sort of being more organized rather than then sort of handling things on a meeting by meeting basis but actually having a strategy over a longer period of time and my hope is that that what transparent because it's a bit of a mixed bag i mean we deal with runs through right all in favor of proving the contract between the town of richmond and jeffrey your bedding to be the town manager of the town of richmond as amended in discussion please  the the true reason for any change in the last year's budget from the same budget that you've had for the past five years i don't know when the last time was the budget was ever looked at for the listers office because we did have a call from volunteer in that position and i don't think ours were tracked with how much time was really being spent with what he was doing so thank you again mike hampton for his great job done  in looking at surrounding towns and what their budgets are because we were talking about the issues of us being like a cost center so that you could track all the expenses for that office we researched and provided you with information of surrounding towns and what they actually have for you budget for was based on a number of parcels in the town and a price per parcel average and the surrounding towns that stand on average their lowest the lowest town was twenty dollars per parcel budget for the listers office it went as high as twenty seven dollars and seventy seven cents per parcel richmond is at five dollars and forty two cents which is not a sure reflection of what the cost is for that office what we also found when doing this research is the listers office hasn't received any kind of increase cost of living increase or anything like that since they were put in place of the twelve dollars which was i didn't  to bring the richmond lister's office more in line with what the the job is and what a budget should be we haven't spent thirty five hundred dollars a year on ma we haven't done the math up to date since june two thousand and ten so that money is being budgeted but it's just been rolled into the general fund the only farms on the list your side that you can't roll into the general fund blandishments i only been here since march so i don't know what what the reasoning was before there's been a minor spending of it like a thousand to maybe two thousand max i've seen in year but it's never been the focus of the five hundred but i will assure you that twenty thirteen thirty five hundred budget will be spent it will the maps will be updated during that budget season and that full thirty five hundred so if we've updated the maps  and made some changes for contiguous parcels of things like that it becomes a maintenance issue after that and it shouldn't be thirty five hundred  and we might go over budget distance school near you have the ability to use the funds of the state or is given to you to do your maintenance of your grand list and not put them all in reserve so you don't go over budget because that's what the farms are for and if you haven't been using them for that for the past harbor many years that you've had a full time volunteer you've only banked those funds for many many many years and we're not looking to replace presell yet we actually got  a number in the mail and our ceiling number went from ninety five point six nine to ninety seven point the level of accuracy we're more accurate our c o d went from eight point something to seven point something so close to ship dispersion means that you've got some sales some places in town that are holding their own and others aren't but that's even better so when you on either one of those things we just had to watch that the rezoning to ensure the result because that's something we can still plan for and budget and we do have money set aside we are over eighty thousand dollars in that fund for reappraisal so i'm waiting to see what happens we will we give you had right there we're going to do it in three years so that you know that we have that switch if the neighborhood falls out of wind for example if there was lake shore property that we didn't know about we suddenly found out about there could be  a neighborhood reprisal which would not necessarily be triggered by a common level of appraisal anything that fell out of line but if suddenly houses are now we are selling for six hundred thousand dollars and they previously were selling so with that understanding it's just based on it's not an extremely larger workload it's that you have no longer full time employee doing the job you have paid employees to you know you got a total of how many hours we've spent so far we have another change of it we have another table first within that time period which we start the process of putting out a whole nother gr question your hundred budget numbers jeff that you proposed that you sent me an e mail to and we both looked at him and said they looked fine the level of activity is going to be closed in the spring after april first we close the books have the number of hours that were put and for april first to june thirtieth of last year i think that's a realistic number of hours that will clearly and again but we're going to try to do is to people who have completed their staggered and with respect to the third lister that you're anticipating hoping assuming the elected are you expecting them to just it's an exponential increase in workload or are you going to share the workload that you currently have so i guess what i'm getting at is is that we're going to have to fund another x number of thousand dollars for a third of the or are you just going to all share the number of a plenty of more things to do more projects more analysis different you're going to design right i mean there's always more that can be done i mean we can give you guys date on percentage of residential single residential structures and that third position i don't know what that third person is going to want to do so i can't speak for that person if they want to be involved in everything or if they want to be given to certain tasks to do i don't know what their  is going to be but what i am saying is we are so far out of line with all of their surrounding towns that if you're getting anywhere near even doubling our budget still puts us at the bottom of the list for budgeting but it gives you th it's required to either be spent on the endless magnets for you go to the reserve fund soon not you're not budgeting something that's going to roll off the general fund i guess is my point to you it was in the reserve fund so you can budget up to the maximum as you use of your budget before the end of the fiscal year we'll have to deal with that at that time one of the things that i've become aware of to look delving into this bed is that it's very difficult to do an apples apples kind of comparison here between towns and one of the things i don't want to fall into the trap of is is you know keeping up with the joneses sort of mentality because the joneses or the or the you know the heinz on that basis you know we have we should be paying for lyster services but we also have to ask that question not just here but in all of the towns operations is it broke and if it's not should we be trying to departments and what is the justification for significant significant increases here we've been trying to keep everybody to you know an overall three percent you know when we had ask taxpayers to put more money up for you know additional services at the time when things are so tight i think you missed it and this is an additional services you were getting services and you were being given these services and that's a big difference if the federal government gave you a grant to pay to have somebody sit in here to do a job for and the stipulation was that the grant and the town starts paying not this is money that the state gives to the state gives you the money this is not the richmond taxpayers dollars being spent on overspending on budget and i take offense to that because you need to understand that you want to and are going to go and are asking at the time on the first want to cut budgets if you can to save the taxpayer i am not looking to do something that the taxpayer isn't entitled to have not put in the taxpayers entitle to have accurate values of their properties assessed value for value and accurately so that the tax bill is accurate i am not looking for a tax increase more than i rate increases i'm not looking for any of not complete and ready to go yet and our office is charged with reviewing and verifying the accuracy dealing with the continuous parcels of land and the labeling of such so there's a lot of pieces to the puzzle to still go just to go that to go back to the apples to apples comparison and they are trying to figure out it looks like you know towns are all over the map and different ways of going to do this and there's the machine equipment do we are so far under what any other surrounding town is we more even looking to do a comparison but you have it all your other departments do that for salaries for other things is what are we paying what is wilson who planned this out going to and what's going on there how are they doing it so we just tried to give you information we thought you were going to request touch me does it work to have a police department they are required to have joneses because i see both sides however i'm going to be on your side of this however i feel like the listers or the work that comes out of the listers is how we got our revenue that's that's how we pay our bills and i feel like we need to have accurate either higher level whatever we need to have accurate records and if we have provided with money from whatever source that can be used for both future appraisals and maintenance that we should take advantage of that we should use that to our best advantage so if we can split it seventy thirty thirty seventy whatever approach a piece of it so that we ensure that we have enough to do a town what appraisal when and if the the time presents itself and we also are able to adequately maintain our database then i think that's that's  use of money as opposed to adding additional funds to our to our back to our budget that would then come out of tax revenue because what's being proposed if what i'm hearing  improperly is to take some portion of the money we receive from the state to paying the salaries yes i understand that you're also looking for some increase mostly because there's been volunteer work and there is that modest budget or a small budget for what level of actual work on a paid basis the listers on this does require we can work this out over the next couple of years and maybe in the revisit this in three years and say ok all the hard work done we can cut back we need to now start putting more towards reserves but because it seems like there hasn't been a lot of work done over the last couple of years and we're in catch up mode that it would be prudent to to split the revenues we get from an outside source as opposed to fine but we have to look at the fact that there's tax maps in this kind of thing and other stuff i know how you all want to find it and what you want to do for funding i'm not arguing where you put water what comes from where i'm whatever this is that we need to set what we think is an appropriate budget you keep to it keep track of this is what we need to do and when we're given budget time this time next year you say ok be stuck with the f y fourteen budget or ever whatever and whether team we're now talking about next year we feel like there's this exponential or whatever more work so we're pressing this much more money but right now we have nothing to piece so putting a number together to work with seems reasonable for both sides i think is it is is an appropriate place to start and we're more than willing to do that that's why we said jeff you look at what's been done in the past and they actually run stands and work with i think that what i'm like i mean your logic is correct but it is i think the answer and question is what is it that needs to be done because if we have two people or three people there's a certain amount of work that needs to be done and we should say well it will pay three people and we have three people know what we should be saying is this is the work that needs to be done and we have three people you have to have this is how i'm going to be divided now as opposed to recruit people so let's give them as much work as we can possibly give them because we can't do that because there's always going to be work to do and there's always going to be some catch up so i think it is going to take we're doing the basic minimum but as we go through the files and again property is you have a scan so those kinds of things from the programs are updated need to have something put in there every parcel and i don't even think of five percent of the parcels now have them but as i'm going through and  there's no name on there so i don't go in special to do it but that's a project that could be done that we're going through we found files where there's no photo and there should be a photo of every property so that yup that's the that's the place they're going to say we  report and we generate everybody you spend coded the same way so we can go in and make sure those fractions the more accurate you can get as far splitting up with a third person we can do that we can say who is putting transfer who's who's doing permits who's doing this but here's the situation we don't know what that third person will want to do and how many hours they will want to put in so they say but if we can't do it we have to do what we can do in the maritime we were putting in but if you say fears the budget only give us the bare minimum then we can come back to you after we've done the position for here and set you know a solid year without the volunteers to say this is how many hours it took this have a three have to agree how things are going to be done it is a majority rules so if one person comes in and says i'm working one hour a week that's what i'm doing this is what i was doing for that hour you know what i only have five hours we will give you whatever you want to give me so i'm not going to assume the negative side of things of being a third list or i'm just coming to you saying you might want to budget one i don't know how many hours they're going to get i don't know what they're going to do right but not and i wouldn't i'm not against bu and i actually think that if we're looking at eight thousand dollars just to get back to the budget piece we're looking at eight billion dollars in addition to set aside that it's coming from the taxpayer and if we're looking at ten thousand for recreation person dollars and that they were talking while they've been discussed two months ago was that another eight thousand dollars was needed on top of the existing make the house and all ok and then on top of the ninety one hundred  well coming from the right the other scrushy was reducing the ninety one hundred by five dollars and putting that into the sixteen dollars and now the third suggestion was reducing the tax confusion over predicting the world nope not just what there is to do with how it's going to be divided up i think in situations like that you make your best estimate i believe is here not yet on the if you look at it we have a budget status but i think that they have a part of the here comes between april and june disorder  you're right that i think there are there are a couple of things there is a fair amount of catch up there has to be done because there hasn't been a full complement of lister's in a number of years so there might be just things have been done they've been forgotten they may get uncovered permits are been issued you can sort of gauge in a rough sense what might be coming down the road you know housing might be sort of come back a bit there are a couple of open subdivisions out there but it's not going to roll like it if you should be able to make a reasonable estimate that being said what's my estimate i'm not really sure i think that with two listers actively involved i would think that sixteen thousand dollars would be time goes on prices increase i think where we are on a good schedule with that i would hesitate to to cut it so much under the listers feel that we're are over funding it right that's that's a that's a choice heading in the absence of real hard data it's very difficult to make that choice and we can if you like me we can i just  not now not a hundred percent i don't think there's a lot i would say that fifteen hundred for the house is good if you want to cut a few thousand from the rear prisoners or you could come up with you know  to contribute to the reserves i think twenty five hundred come to add to the budget at the tax bases is it my best considering again this is where we get our revenue from to get the you know we're not if you're asking us to stay under budget correct then what you're asking us to do if we decide on a rate change if there's a great change that's going to occur then what you're asking us to do is do the work with a certain period of time you know or we close the office i mean that's the discussion that's occurred in the past so if we're at a certain  now correct so all i'm saying is i might not be sitting in this luster's chair for ever but whoever else is going to be sitting in it should be paid appropriately compared to surrounding towns and what they're paying their listers just like i believe the same for police officers and i believe the same for the highland department you're not going to get somebody to sit in that third lister's chair if you're not paying  towns are paying their ministers to stay in line and have them set educated and knowledgeable about computer systems and excel spreadsheets and everything that you want them to stay knowledgeable about in square footage and construction in a two by four wall or adding fifty five dollars to the list or salary item by pulling two thousand dollars from the maps item maps maintenance item and and thirty five hundred dollars from the from the  the same discussion next year but if we if we allocate that amount of money it isn't cumbered and if it's this bad then it's spent right so we have to agree to spend an extra twenty five hundred dollars a year to make sure that our grand list is c remember you're proposing an additional ten thousand dollars to develop a new department where there's been a volunteer you know you have a well we're you know we've been through that so well at this point i guess i'm going to ask somebody to submit a motion more w thousand dollars from the fund thirty five hundred dollars from the reappraisal ready reserve fund and an additional twenty five hundred dollars added to the general fund to increase the lister's budget by eight thousand dollars and yeah i just i think it's a big job and that warrants a closer look in terms of how we use contractors or just in terms of how the you have to change your charger we have to we have to break big things now yeah we've been quoted some pretty high prices per hour for contractors services but it is far in excess of anything in that dollars from the map maintenance contribution and fiscal year twenty fourteen and add to that amount twenty five hundred dollars from the general fund in the order to reduce the entire amount allocated for salaries so just a general question what's the difference between police local fines and you know farm traffic tickets i mean what you know from traffic tickets or so maybe a better question is what's local fines for police has to do with what  any questions about anything they see here in their financial record so would it be fair to say that that in general things are going as according to plan i think so there aren't any significant variances on our budget so far this year we've had a very quiet  an operationally over the past couple of years we've tended to do better on the expenditure side than what you would expect but just from the operations i think fuel was the main concern last year and again that will be this year also because price remain high but from a departmental point of view planes are on track to getting the projects done that we all right let's move on to a few of the minutes of december third two thousand and twelve i just had one and i'm trying to find where it is from we're talking about the she's currently on she says she currently is an independent contractor hoping to use the template that she developed under the grant with the snelling center so it's it's a minor difference but we're not using a small thing and you probably don't need to change it but on that page one line thirty seven where i said that recreation we did have space on the county website i think my i was trying to say that when i was looking but we may move to the twenty second so and i told her we would try to put her on earlier and kind of earlier in the evening so she wouldn't have to stay through the whole event and she said she usually talks for twenty to thirty minutes gives a little dog and pony show on the low select board members to answer questions so there's that and i did email the gentleman from the state who manages the domains for towns basically if we use this service through the state as we can get a free domain we don't have to pay it but it has to follow the prescribed pattern so harry bell is the gentleman and he said that we could get a richmond out from our dug up domain for free it would be hosted by the state we just have to give them i guess what i didn't get into was kind of like email addresses if they could have our domain or anything like that so i think i'm going to have to dig into it a little bit more but i figure there's no point in changing i don't mean until we change our website so we'll just kind of keep that in the back of our head that when and if that happens we can go that way i know we probably already have richmond vermont dot com but we can have a free domain we want to pay the ten dollars a year or whatever and and i'm unclear as to whether they post also there is any benefit in sort of putting the word out to the web designers in richmond the small businesses that were looking at this and giving them the opportunity to get on the pitch their services  when they just talk finished the statements and all the drafts and indications and do they i know they didn't say anything ok overly negative to me they didn't mention anything about any possible finding as far as being happy with their services i think they came in and they pointed out a lot of things that the former auditor seemed to not be pointing out which is a good thing i think last year they were very blunt i'm not sure that they need to really be blamed for that but what you want an auditor to do is to help develop a plan to get you on the plane to correct your deficiencies i think they forget ou water deficiencies other fieldworkers of trying to be helpful with suggesting ways that we can overcome overall i think they've done a pretty good job  tough on this but i would think that typically you keep an auditor between seven and ten years they've been here is the fourth year that any longer than that in your interest they're just you know getting i mean if one of them total of twenty two dollars and eighty four cents in interest which they are objecting to we claim that their payment was late august twenty fourth which is after the august fifteenth deadline they're to say that they never said a day or two you know a week or so it's on her and that that's our procedure that we keep those records in and that's we have proof that we stamped these if we don't have the  first request of this nature that i've seen ok for the first quarter tax period so i would think that there would be a handful of them with the same issue all right but that would make not one but well i think i think you're hearing we're not taking up but i think it would be appropriate to check to see with the port of a payment  under the same bria but a different different breed for digital radios for fourteen thousand three hundred thirty four these are good with radios and i know these are purchased on the state contract would place it on the ballot as an article for tell me if you also want to put it on for australia we would put it on for the same night as the recreation director that's your right so that