or we proceed to the cases which are on the docket for oral argument this morning we have some happy business to attend to by way of an admission or admissions i should say to being submitted on the briefs without oral argument the first one is number zero seven dash eleven fifty two fisher versus andersen the second case is number zero seven dash eleven fifty three fisher versus quad international corporation and the final case is number zero seven dash three one eight nine you know hosta versus the united states postal service again those cases are being submitted without or the first case in which will hear oral argument the smore ning is number zero seven dash one zero four seven in re barnett mr kramer before you start i just want to confirm you are name for everything and barnett would otherwise have of course you'll probably say they're get not just different names but you know there's also another component there's both a response unit in a separate component to burst the first minute help me out what is it called here the stone component in you is one of many that allows the actual system to work correctly best to work correctly because the user first has to register with the system user is registered with the system and presumably they would already downloading information to the terminal that prints the incentives and i don't ever want to call know there's there seem to be two different things there's the response unit which i understood it to to take the input from the individuals and there's also something a disbursements or dispersed another another piece of users terminal and set of data management software module for managing the printing of incentives i doesn't go into all of the further requirements that you just gave it verbally which might be in the property bind that i grant you entirely but that's not what the claim internet the board came to that conclusion and then i guess what i'm trying to say is in the board in essence follow a logical approach i mean they say ok we're in the internet environment now let's see if these other things hundred ninety seven five ninety five ninety five ok thank you which at that time i realized in the part of your argument is if you're using hindsight you can't use our our modern understanding of the internet which is it's very difficult to divorce yourself from to isn't that a question of fact coming out of the p t o and when they made that factual determination that wanted to kill me art would know to modify this claim once you change the internet this element this way or is that a question of law there's of those two taken together it would be obvious that to want to work very skilled mark to make these changes that they don't necessarily have to point to a specific reference to disclose each and every element of the claim verbatim  it would be so obvious made a four pronged fork to a three pronged fork do they really need to find something something out there that has the fourth prong in the prior art to say it's obvious no i believe this court has held that in certain circumstances the exam or can recognise what will be obvious remember this but they teach the potential use of if i'm remembering right table trying to find where i wrote it down but cable connection such as abler telephone connections use for home computers and they teach the recipient using that to initiate and a pain the coupon information by responding and their own initiation via cable connection such as cable or telephone connections used for home handle that part of your statement because there's no doubt the board said all this and flow from us but well to whom to one of ordinary skill in the art at that time one thousand nine hundred five would have automatically known to make each and every one of these changes to permitting individual ones to save yours utilizing well the means for electronically transmitting signals to a central receiving station to indicate a category or item merchandise or services of a particular interest and it describes this alternative  effective the little number three in seventy three i'm talking about downloading the software module but what if your or what are the boards position or what if the office his position one how that particular limitation paragraphs i can take you down on fifteen you'll see the purpose for these markings is to preclude tampering forgery altering counterfeiting so the functionality of the software but where is the computer where they're talking about downloading a software much  each of these disputed claims independently are they all being argued together as i read the opening brief that is the argument section addressed to the one of those three rejections did not piece apart the various