ok thank you that would then bring us to you know season i'm sorry if you're close to public thank you so much right we do have to close the public hearing going to have a motion to close a public hearing on  good would you like to tell us a little bit about what you've changed in the meantime as you as we left you we had some recommendations and suggestions and i understand that you've made some significant changes for us it doesn't look so much like a three story structure exactly understand very good do we have any questions or comments from the audience and should we do we have any questions from the board before we close a public hearing i'm good i'd like to move that we close the public hearing for  or i appreciated i appreciate the work you did to sort of make it fit with the house better and i walked around the neighborhood a couple of times and i did in nice on the landscaping you know i think i'm on the machine you go yeah that's right i'm sorry i forgot you were accusing yourself sandy i just said from the landscaping that was provided i didn't to something that has a certain height to cover some of that foundation certain represent of species something that effect unless i'm missing something from the reese the middle of she day one was the only one i saw that had plantings on it i don't have a copy of the material approve a special permit with conditions landscaping conditions a specified and standard conditions one of the yes edition that chuck it mentioned last time was  kicking around the idea of not allowing the debasement to be developed as another floor of living because we were allowed dormer and pushing the three a half foot limit to precisely talk about that i know are part of the reason for wanting all the storage up top that was given in the application was the fact that these went right and  good point jeffrey what sorts of remedies do we have yes it's not usable as as i know given the age of the foundation to be tricky i've seen it done on newer foundations by newer i mean one nine hundred fifty s and i don't think but i don't think that there's much chance that's going to be made a living quarter but i don't i don't see any reason why we shouldn't put that in this condition of the special special permit as well so let's start over on this move to approve the special permit application where the aforementioned because we're working with somewhat history done partial plans but i think there are adequate for the task at hand and so we are now continuing the public hearing for twenty two bacon road and i wonder if the applicants architect would like to speak to this first or the applicant or either one oh mr one nice  because we met with spencer and jeffrey and steve we made some fairly significant changes actually broke out so i can make sure that i remember all of them but in addition to me listing them off i think really the most  much more that we needed based on our meeting the most important sort of overarching theme was to reduce the overall nothing so we did that by completely reconfiguring both the first floor and the second floor so that it would be a center entrance with a smaller one storey massing on the one side and then the garage with the family room on the other side and by doing this we reduce the overall t a by four hundred ninety three square feet from the previous meeting so that brings us down to twenty nine a one we also reduce the hype by one and a happy face so it is now twenty six feet to the midpoint and thirty feet four inches to mean reduce the overall length by one foot we changed it back to the gable which was the original and i think that's actually a much more effective roof in terms of fitting in with the character of the neighborhood as well we reoriented eliminated the front vestibule and replaced it with a covered front porch that has a gable roof and again i think it's just it's less mass a little bit of less square footage as well and then a couple of  changes eliminated the window peppermints we incorporate the corner boards on the rear addition as well as the front of we're elevation as well as the front elevations and then we offset the side addition that's now one story volume that was previously honestly i think the other suggestions i think i think so too i completely agree ok great so that's it those are the changes that we made and we hopefully i think it's come a long ways i hope you guys agree i know it was  time here i don't know if we need to hear any more unless there's something compelling a new i would like to kind of would like not to go that direction if we if we can i think we've heard the favorable response in the neighborhood  is an important project in a way because it's going to be it's it's definitely going to be a precedent for other developments in the neighborhood the intention of the amendments that were passed that town meeting for the single residency district was not to prevent people from building houses that could accommodate their needs were not there was never any intent tension or interest in forcing people to live in one nine hundred fifty s going to homes the idea with zero was not to at the same time inflict the neighborhood with really oversized in appropriately balanced homes in the neighborhood this house is a large house it is going to be in the top ten percent of the sizes of houses and twenty nine hundred making this house look very much like a house that belongs in that neighborhood it fits very well and yet i think the owner is going to get the benefit of a large playroom that it might not have otherwise been because  helps in a way because the basement in this house is also unusable for different reasons it's not because it floods it's because it's got radon and so i think that's a persuasive argument for get giving it t size that it is and i think that again they've done a very good job of reducing the balkan mass if you just look at the two models you can see that's the case are there any comments for from other members of  board i really like the improvements i think they they definitely fit much more with the neighborhood character while the t l a is on the high side i think if we recognize the needs of the family and the fact of the basement cannot be used and i think similar to slate we just know that as a condition that the basement should be habitable space and that helps as we see more cases in this in this and i do have one question about the the right hand to the single story even to put a basement under that are you going to build on gr and that is not really the condition here i mean after all it wasn't just because of that i'm i'm ok with this as it goes on the condition that what we're asking the board to do is we do have a set of plans now but we received these rather short notice and typically the board really wants to see the plans well in advance so that we can review them in this case i'm asking my fellow board members to just cut the applicant some slack on this and trust that community development will follow up and make sure that the plans are per proposed and as we've discussed here tonight and that includes new plot plan and a new landscape permit and that would be the condition so if you want to use the basement for substantial habitable space then you would have to come back to the board for permission to do that that's that's that's  as i said earlier this is an informational meeting primarily although we will be looking for input from the audience and we can stand up over the microphone discussion of the project this is a large project i'll start with an introduction of our team that's here today i'll then just briefly talk about the project i'm sure you've pretty well educated on it and then i'll turn it over to our architectural design team so they can go through an overview of the project and where we are today again my name is bill apollo i chair the high school high school building committee with me from your right is vice chair prepare for this i thought i really think that's productive so i'd like to continue without we are school where we have a campus that is you know exists today teaching nine through twelve it was a school department's decision to add seven and eight to this project for reasons of educational and roman that it's just keeps growing every year by over one hundred students so we won't go into that today but it is the project is seven through twelve high school call it a middle high school i guess is the term not the only one of massachusetts as a matter of fact there's quite a few we find out that are eight through twelve nine through twelve i'm sorry eight or twelve seven three hundred sixty twelve so belmont's not unique there we we are designing for a student population of two thousand two hundred fifteen students that's been memorialized with the m s p a that's not something that's we can negotiate that was done well over a year ago so the procedure of our partner and s b a is the massachusetts school building authority and they are  the partners with us they are providing a partial funding for the zinah construction of this project through our agreement and we continue to work with them step by step through their procedure to do one site we have is the only site in belmont so we didn't have a lot of discussion with the m s p on alternate sites although they require that for school projects so you know we don't have any room so we have to come up with a solution that provides for continued stellar education on the campus while we design and construct a new a new project and we found a solution we're going to present that to you today that is i'll call it a major addition it's almost a brand new building but through our community discussions and discussions with the school department we found that there were some key assets that we couldn't replicate a new project with the m s p those being the field house in the pool and so our design focused around how we could retain those assets and still provide the design that was required and our solution will demonstrate what that is so essentially the components that are being kept as would be the field house the pool the pool locker rooms and the chemical quit with the pool and actually this we found that could keep the small gym and the space underneath as well so that that component is being retained the we're going to talk about parking tonight i don't know where you want to go with that but we parking after we talk about the design right we'll talk about the fields i think dave is going to talk about just the layout on site book will talk about how the design came about keep in mind that we are designing a school building that's rooted in educational planning so it's not about anything but what's needed for educational purposes that's the way the s b a works in all focuses around the educational plan that the school department in the school administration authored and it is very much driven by the program of twenty first century teaching and learning that the school department's moving towards so with that i think i'll turn it over to  brooke i think and you're going to lead us off in discussions and i kind of like these meetings i know they're formal but if you have any questions we're going through that's right please don't hesitate to to just stop us so earlier today when i was discussing our presentation with jeffrey and spencer they thought it was a good idea to just highlight our meetings that we have coming up because the site design and that's what we're talking about today is is a very big nut and there's a lot of interested stakeholders here so we could start with the neighborhoods that are interested all around us there it's such a big site that there's different groupings of neighborhoods  talk about the school department in the school use but there's also that we have to balance that take a big role in the site clearly we also have need to make sure that we continue to focus on what the planning board needs that's why we're talking to you what the traffic advisory folks have to say so here are meetings some of which we've already met with traffic advisory once we have a meeting following up up on that one come a first we met with folks from to street from pinner street from belmont safe route for school to schools and those are individual smaller meetings one on one or i should say a couple of us with with the groups and coming up we also have a traffic advisory staff meeting public meeting and then a full committee meeting on the sixteenth where we hope to present our final design site designs from all the stakeholders that will be using that input and working through design with our design consultants and there's also this this this meeting so so you kind of announcement so our meeting at this our meeting coming up on thursday we won't really get into site design it'll be design update inside the building because you know we just are going to cure some comments from you we still have the traffic advisory we did hear from order no it's not a public meeting we're going to bite comments from the audience we honestly i promise you but when they're through with their presentation ok you'll have a chance so it's a tough balance because there are so many stakeholders here and  we continue to to listen and take all that information and then disseminate that among design team and we look forward to what all this means as we come back to you in june come back to the public  committee meeting on may sixteenth and present what updates we're looking at but for today what you're going to see is a snapshot in time dating back probably to about end of february when we submitted to the state and  that's the same sort of design information that you probably would have seen if you'd gone to some of the other meetings that i just mentioned so brooke maybe now i can turn over to you if you can ok so good evening everyone thank you for allowing us to present the project tonight and bill gave i think a pretty thorough introduction we're going to try to keep our presentation as brief as possible given the amount of slides you could could you introduce yourself and yes of course on a note that applies to everybody who speaks for mike from because tonight the project the process is developed by the massachusetts school building authority we undertake a very rigorous process when we develop these projects these school projects and we are expected p that's the acronym for a massachusetts school building authority to look at renovation only renovation addition a new construction and as bill mentioned the preferred option was the major renovation the major addition minor renovation which includes the renovation of the field house the pool and the small gym so it's they must be a expects the town a belmont to be educationally sound and cost effective when they bring the solutions forward to the community this is been an incredibly open and inclusive process something that i think the entire design team has been very impressed with how many public hearings many meetings i think bill has an accounting of how many meetings and it's been so this is part of that process so tonight we'll go through david warner from warner larson will look at the site plan present that to you as well as some of the circulation elements and fields and then we'll go through the building and the massing ok thank you brooke my name is david warner principal of warner larsen landscape architects and the first slide the you're looking at here is the proposed site plan i'm taking from  is you might want to turn a little bit just in case my hand story's a little bit this laser pointer so just to orient everybody concrete avenues running along the bottom the sheet here and the railroad tracks across here the center of town of course down this area over here and the existing school building is dashed in this gray outline you can see that which includes the field house the small gym and pool that would be talked about previously and then the major addition is outlined in white as a white building here so the other fixed asset that we've been well aware of from the beginning is harris field and the investment community is made in the accessibility to the bleachers there so the school site that we're looking at really is east of harris and and this whole campus area here we've also studied the athletic configurations over here by the rink but we recognize that the rink project is  another project that's also considered for the site while i'm on that topic i should also mention the community path and the intergenerational path which we're all very familiar with the community  path has been presented to the board of selectmen is coming along the north side of the tracks would eventually go through an underpass at the end of alexander avenue and want to long the north side of the site and we have allowed space for that to occur in the site plan for the new high school the intergenerational path which would be going around the pond we understand is designed for this portion that links from the schools and i hear over to this point here we're studying that the school campus so with regard we have detailed slides that show traffic circulation for the various types of vehicles and and for bicycles and pedestrians we also and emergency vehicles i think i would like to jump to that next so this is a diagram that really just pulls out the primary vehicular circulation and we're have we're showing this new entrance over here which is adjacent to the electric substation decommissioned i believe this point opposite the end of trowbridge so that would align at that point and then a new driveway access point over here both of these are two way opposite goeden street here which has a break as you know in the media and unconquered avenue and the traffic analysis was done by nelson nygaard transportation engineers  and one of the key components of that was the two way circulation through the site here that would provide access to a drop off on the east end of the building for the lower school and a drop off on the west end of the building for the upper school being very important for reducing on both on and off site congestion associated with the traffic circulation in the area and one of the issues in particular that we're well aware of is  you know the traffic out to brighton avenue so the community path that will be coming along through here eventually is is in a pinch point at this point where we know that two way traffic in the community path will probably share some zone but then elsewhere it would have its own designated space we're only dealing with about twenty nine feet from the corner of the field house to the property line at that point so the next slide this is pulling on diagramming the p an circulation to the site and through the site you can see the three crosswalks that are highlighted on concrete avenue at these locations we also be continuing to have extreme access over were hit in advantageous for a number of reasons but a pedestrian friendly campus with a minimizing the amount of vehicular conflicts with for pedestrians is the key objective the fact that this site is higher in the back will help to eliminate any issues with access to the building during times of flooding when we know that flooding occurs in low areas down at this end of the of the and around this corner of the pond as well as down over in this corner so by pulling the the roadway around the back we're really looking long term as far as access to the site for emergency vehicles for day to day operation not being interrupted by flooding from the pond and then of course the pedestrian links through all the program for the athletic facilities for the campus elements the academic elements both indoor outdoor at the building and then to the athletic components on the west side of the site as well that link you can see here to the alexander underpass would ok is would tie in nicely with the site design if it's implemented in that manner this diagram shows emergency vehicle access and again following the primary route of the  vehicles to the back of the site but also the the pestering route that connects across the front of the building alongside the pond is an area that is required as a fire laying access for the building and we're looking very closely at that area now and the design development of the project and how to integrate that in a manner that is not overly overbearing as a roadway per se but is a pedestrian friendly zone that will also be conducive to the activities that are in the school that can spill out onto the landscape so the buses would be able to come in and exit out the site primarily coming in from the proposed coming in from concord avenue where they would be e and bicycles so this diagram i think preceded the meeting with the board of selectmen where the bike path was or the community path was presented as going through a future underpass so that is one element here that i'm correcting in the presentation but that there would be the ability to navigate through the site this route that i mentioned previously primarily pedestrian and it would also allow emergency vehicles can also serve as a important connection between the east end of the campus to concord ave without having to go down underwood and this is a composite so you can see all of the circulation there various modes of transport represented here along with the interim generational path along with the t c stops the bus stops mention pointed out along concord avenue what is shown here is approximately four hundred thirty total parking spaces but that includes seventy spaces that we're showing over here in this kind of master plan for the say three hundred sixty being park head on you know vertical to the roadway that's a lot of fenders so let's let's just start with what's what exists today thank you so the existing parking on the school campus can handle three hundred forty three cars during school time and that is no parking on the loop wrote as you know there is school time so there's two hundred eighty four spots in the large lot to the east exit tennis courts there's twenty one spots to the rear where we call the modulars are parked back there and then there are thirty eight spots in front of the gym and when talking with talking through these these parking scenarios the student parking varies from the start of the school year to the end of the school year with about fifty parking permits that are taking out parking passes in september and about three hundred by the end of june so more kids are getting their license and title to drive i was at a meeting yesterday at the high school and i had to find i had to drive around five parking space so i was kind of shocked as the first time in that i actually had to find a parking space and it was a beautiful day in towards the end of the school year and probably there's a lot of people parking but i will say that there's only about one hundred in fifty available spots when you take out the teachers and you know the staff that work there so there's no three hundred students that are parking there but as you hear is it's probably a rite of passage to get to get a parking pass even though you are driving every day so right now the idea is that we're looking at a neutral parking solution for the site meaning that we're not taking or adding on that student parking count whatever it is but we did add four seven and eight teachers and staff and we did add for the growth that nine through twelve for staff including more visitor spots that accounts for about eighty eighty six additional spots so it takes the current three hundred and forty three up to four hundred twenty nine and the engineers here just run it off the four hundred three so that's that is the count that's currently being used but let's talk about civic use as soon as the school is done people start parking along the curve road in front and we estimate this it's not striped current three hundred forty three you are at another number of about oh i'm sorry and then there's nineteen other spots over in from the softball field the overall campus parking capacity could be totaled four hundred forty seven so that would be today's total parking count from the east side to the west side the again that we're comparing that four hundred forty seven to what's being proposed right now is four hundred thirty the new school bringing seventh and eighth students will not have more student drivers we thankful for that but they will have more teachers and staff but that's it seems that the day to day doesn't events plays that may be happening at the same time as a sporting event but there there hasn't been a compelling argument that we've heard to say that you know we need to add more parking to the campus just for the civic events as a matter of fact if you do the study we probably take in about fifteen to twenty spots away for that civic events but what we have done certainly is distribute the parking in a more equitable manner across the site for other types of ads including on the far side harrah's field far west and all those others where parking for the uses over there may spill out into the neighborhood and in addition in the summer there's more parking capacity now for the pool or the library or the ice rink should that stay there and if it if it does move find a new place that's not part of a high school project that area the campus with slightly will look slightly different  so the what we are trying to figure out is what is what is the right number of parking for the campus in our discussions with neighbors and interested folks there's been variety of opinions some compelling to say reduce parking so don't allow students to park on campus have been parking in it you know on the streets or don't want to park at all make make them walk or take the bus make the bus more of ailill to students through maybe less costs and that sort of stuff there are other people that say no don't don't do that because they'll be parked in front of my house so it's a balance there and it's certainly there could be signage that's put up there's been a lot of talk about that for stickers that allows students to park in certain times of day of course then it gets into signage and enforcement which is a whole different discussion of whether or not that's even doable in belmont other communities are doing it quite effectively so not to mention the traffic concerns that we'll hear continue to hear are not fully rooted in the high school project but they exist today for a variety of reasons mostly where we're hearing could be cut through people that are getting off the road to certainly in the morning to go to boston or cambridge or watertown now that's coupled with school start times that do flood that area with traffic certainly people dropping off a wellington school right next door it's a big school you just up the street another big school and we're bringing more students and more drop off to this campus so in the discussion that will continue is whether or not there are two start types whether or not the lower school seven eight will start a different time than nine through twelve that's a school department discussion that's ongoing especially for this campus as you know generally currently starts at a different time than the high school that that might help  alleviate we talk about the alexander underpass we just heard about it that certainly will help the project but we have no control over that it is moving forward if you if you listen to what's going on in town but the schedule is still you know probably quite a ways off and  we'll hear that brighton street is just impossible to move through and if you've ever tried that you know that's that's a very true statement so coming off the campus on the east side and where you go from there is is the legalities we it's beyond this this group's control as a matter of fact really our purview is everything that's colored today we have very little control as a building committee of what happens outside those color the color diagram that you see it doesn't mean that we're not in conversation with tack and going clancy 's office we've had a couple of meetings already and continue to have those and as a matter of fact we have a great group of belmont citizens that are strongly united in and have great opinions of how things could be changed maybe for the better  and some of that energy i expect will be focused at the traffic advisory committee because this project will take four to five years if we get a successful vote in november because that's what we're scheduled to go out to the voters on that exclusion the project probably won't be one hundred percent done fields and everything until two thousand and twenty three that's way too long to probably expect that traffic is going to get better on its own without some other belmont town intervention if we do it right will screw traffic up so bad the ways the traffic jams will go overload and you know all the traffic around belmont will just that's that's has been a discussion  you know at some point it clogs so much that that those programs google always will send you somewhere else we're going to only be so lucky or we could find some good hackers yes but seriously staying on this point is a serious it is a serious issue because we'll continue to hear ways that can but ways around want to use that methods that should be explored in are being explored ot to you know see should we eliminate a field and just put a parking lot there rather than have the drive through and should we not have the drive through in two directions in some of the sky sions that we have and i think we did this successfully a wellington school is that the end the things you could change easily as you move through the this is a fifty year project with you pride fifty or building at a minimum ok the existing school right now was built almost fifty years ago and there must be a it wants us to look at everything everything at least for fifty years the infrastructure you put in the the hard paving the the the with maybe that wants to be looked at as if it's two way but maybe in the first when you open it up maybe it is only one way because it's just signage striping inside edge and if maybe it wants to turn the other way or you know these are things that will continue to discuss and look look for the right answer and i say that i said wellington because that was part of that and as a matter of fact there were two options that were looked at and of course they haven't got the plan there still are that's still in place but they haven't moved from the worked but there were a lot of community concerns will it work how do you know for sure you know how do we know the numbers from the traffic and so on are going to be accurate parking in the neighborhood you know and all that all of that which is coming to light here again so i'm open to a dialogue with you on the right parking counted doesn't have to happen today but it is driving the site does all right our team needs to at least have a number they looked to the building committee  to the school department and right now the number was sort of a neutral number obviously we can't we had a comedy the new teachers and we didn't right now push the students i can also add fifty traffic why with the hope that maybe we can do some things to help alleviate some of the stalls that exist around town so hopefully i can also help and they're not doing that right and they're not doing that alone are did our traffic consultant is working collaboratively with their traffic consultant we have a staff meeting that will happen on may first where they work we'll compare notes listen the comments that we've collected from the neighborhood groups and from other interested people to see if there are some to mostly fire safety and i wonder i was soon that this has been run through the fire department in terms of being able to get an engine through there with with you know two two two two rows basically of traffic and two  two rows of parking i'm sorry and two way traffic so they want to pull up everywhere around the building those loop roads both at the middle school entrance of the high school entrance are wide enough to do that there's no parking allowed on those so if it is a bus or or  drop off spot there are live drop off you can't park and you know and they they like the solution guards to being able to access all the perimeter of the building we have talked as a group to say it is not the best solution to have two way traffic with head in parking and there's the we're looking at opportunities to widen that wider than you normally would have for two way traffic just to give a little more sightline cushing to those as you say inexperience drivers you know there was talk about well take get the camp the kids off the campus then you alleviate that but you know at some point the kids are going to come on campus after school programs and so forth that's probably not the best solution to just exclude that entirely so we are exploring those opportunities but i like david to go back and talk about why and how these fields mended themselves since that some cells to go in the way that you see and and some of the you were just about different things here you have physical education as part of school athletics that happen not just at the school but even in the rec department and so we've continued to discuss the best way to maintain all of these  to just interject and planning just one of the key planning generators with the project are there three of them one is that contiguous green space so we don't have them all effect at this project at this site  have now you go to the belmont high school and what you see is a sea of parking so when you see that green space you're seeing something actually quite nice on the other thing that was important to the committee was embracing the pond and having the building kind of have used towards a pond and potential civic space community space student space teaching space between the south side of the building and the pond the other the third element and they're all there more than three but would say these three were very primary was to reduce the mass conquered avenue to the residential neighborhood neighbors and concord and channing so that's why the building was that was that solution was preferred where it's located more central amassing pushback embracing the pond and having a contiguous green space so as a planning elements those are sort of central to do that so with that we can talk about another forth in that we have to be able to field was really quite a puzzle for us there are so many you know the different field configurations and the space requirements for them and a couple of the existing fields are undersized so using the  minimum required competition size for the fields is something that we've been able to incorporate into the site plan at this point and right what you're looking at right now are just the fall sports that are highlighted so the soccer field hockey football fields that are all the rectangular sports and the this is a football field here that would be is really replacing the one that runs parallel to concord avenue over here used for rugby in the spring this is of course harris field that's existing to remain recently replaced and that of turf and then this north south orientation for the soccer field hockey field which would be overlapping the new baseball field and this is an east west soccer field that would double as a cross field in the spring and we have this soccer and field hockey field that overlaps the outfield of this baseball field here we're saying is the varsity baseball field that would replace the brown and grant memorial field located right here i pointed out the baseball on the previous lot as well just so you could understand the overlaps where they occur but this this is where you see the spring sports where we're actually able to keep completely skipped these  fields separate and except for the overlapping fall sports here and over here rugby rugby as i mentioned previously played at this point cross country would continue to run around the pond  we understand really love that because it's a one kilometer loop right and the track events like discus and shot put i don't think it's highlighted over here would all be able to continue to happen in this area so we missing tennis courts thank you for reminding me on that the existing site plan has ten tennis courts lined up over here and when we put the inventory of all of the existing site program down and put it through the filter and look at what fit on the site with the footprint of the building and everything else in terms of prioritization of what other assets exist in town the tennis courts were deemed there are other locations in town tha groups of tennis courts where i'm sure i'm a tennis player myself something has to give not all of the site program would fit here and whether it was a five court layout or ten court layout neither of those configurations were able to fit on the site along something else would have to get either a field or you know fifty or sixty parking spaces would have to be taken out to accommodate that here you already heard about the neutral number for the parking and the goal was to provide the same number and competition size fields and that so the tennis is program would be a busses like in that you previously would be coming through the site in this direction so they could back into this spaces right here and then drive out on this and so we need to we need to maintain a space to store the busses through the contract on  site right now there is no other place in town to store them there are currently on the site right now we're strong i'm still on the site this time though they're pulled a little more away from the neighborhood and they're talked back further away from the neighborhood so why we're on these field diagrams we do want to bring up the fact that the varsity softball field today is a lift field so in discussions with athletics it exists over there it's moving now to the east side and in discussions there's an interest to maintain the ability for that field to have lights in the evening and as well speaking with the branding grant foundation who helps manage the varsity baseball field they would like to see if there is an opportunity for the varsity baseball field to also have lights that field with that decision be made whether or not they're going whether or not you want to pursue that or not we are asking to see if that's something that we could pursue no that is right now currently in our program you want to do it ok we would want to see if that can be hazardous yes it's not necessary for the school program but turned over so in our discussions with the brenda grant foundation week we couldn't commit to that we said we would ask and see if that was an opportunity that could you know we could we could discuss with the community and see if it you know they they recognize that this location to the right would be the varsity field and it's up to the school department to decide if that will be the new the that is the name brenda grant field on that side but certainly that's where the varsity teams will be playing based on this design and again softball field has the varsity softball field has lights so they're coming over and they are jason two they've actually potentially say share some of the same poles if we were doing last i should say the bad news two thousand two hundred fifteen students that's a metric that used and it's not it was derived through the discussion with the m s p a and the high school building committee retained her own demographer to look at the future growth of students in the in the district that has continued with the school department and i'll say today the high school has the high school has almost thirteen hundred students in it today as and the middle school has over fourteen hundred students in it today for great so they're all moving and they're climbing the school today is consists of two stories it is two thousand about two thousands not sorry two hundred sixty six thousand square feet on two stories the the new school will be approximately four hundred forty five thousand square feet now we're bringing two grades over centrally building two schools so if you look at the general middle school today it's almost two hundred thousand square feet if you count the modulars that are there so take half of that because two grades are coming over that brings the two hundred six so we're going to really equate about three hundred sixty six thousand square feet of existing school two to the new program of four hundred forty five thousand square feet it is on four stories three or four stories and i'm going to book to walk us through i just want the same footprint all right a very high level in the state sixth tribus from perkins and will thank you i'm at a very high level i'm going to talk about some of the major elements i think it's important to know that the middle school has its own  entry for the eight hundred middle school students and the middle school classrooms are primarily on the east side of the site they will be secured by an administrative area that will let the students in the high school students will be dropped off and to the building on the west side of the site also secured by administrative area for security purposes and supervision the public spaces the music spaces and the athletic spaces a sort of civic community spaces are on the first floor with pretty functional spaces from the dining commons we talked about the pond being an important feature the dining commons would be able to look out to the pond and be activated by some of those uses as well as art this is the existing area pretty much in green here the existing field house and the locker rooms in the pool and the associated pool features on the first floor yes the second floor is comprised of a lot of classrooms and that's what you're seeing in purple wrapping around what is some of the corps community features in the building so the shared public spaces are primarily  yellow and that's really at this level what's important to know and the classrooms in purple wrapping that so all the students in the middle school and high school can access this sort of pedestrian street that goes through the building we are looking at we are looking at putting mechanical spaces recessed as much as possible on in the building to reduce the height of the building and that's really important to reduce the rooftop units relative to noise and high  you talked about a lot of that in those small houses where still also trying to do that in our large buildings we're trying to reduce massing as much as possible so this is level three level four this is where you can see the high school building and this is approximately sixty feet in height and the middle school steps down one story and that is approximately forty four feet in height and you can see some of the mechanical spaces here and tucked in the recesses of the building behind the gym and patrick can talk about that in the section we currently have enough for me go to the next slide enough space on the roof to accommodate about eighty thousand photovoltaic units and we also have a roof garden that is serving the function of an exterior classroom for the science students and faculty when i say yes sorry sorry eighty thousand square feet yes sorry about that one a lot of panels so that's the very high level aspects do you want to have us keep going into any questions just show you the section to says this is we go to this one this is a this might be important to everyone this is existing jim the three stories in this location relative to the gym so we have sixteen feet fourteen fourteen reiterate the mechanical spaces we're trying to talk into the the mass of the building so they're not sitting on top screened and adding more height and mass to them and that was a big design change to to try to do that because otherwise you'd see a nice large group rooftop unit that we showed in some burley or models but then we also control acoustics much better with solution and your mechanical people know that the p v array has to be shielded in the same way as if it were mechanical equipment view across the pond of you looking north from concord ave and again these are very early computer renderings that were showing on this is that civic space in the center bill's going to bring a model forward because we know you like models of you looking at the dining commons the community spaces city just demo the field house yes or construction i guess please either step to the microphone or have the microphone pass to you and please introduce yourself and tell us where you're from dissuading they go how they go and i want us to really think about how to design a school from the biking and walking stance but also my sense is and i could be wrong but i keep getting mixed emotions about what have we done for research data gathering what is the traffic engineer done sometimes i get a comment that you know we focused on what you said when you were working on what happens outside sometimes i hear we've done studies we've asked over and over and over a what have you done what do you intend to do and how can we see that now not later because we understand that there are deadlines for getting this into the state and once things go and it's very hard to change so what specifically do i want to consecrate more traffic at that point and to put a major life i think it's simplistic and naive it's going to be horrendous no man's an island also say that no high school is an island but this entire project as nice as it is so much for it's really good is treated as an island without regard to three other schools in the neighborhood which bring we're good the noticed by the way was included in the minutes there not the minutes but the the announcement for the planning were being this was on the agenda so that's been out for a week or so the spirit the special mailing and when clancy has a consultant that is examining traffic town life but he's also indicated that since the high school is moving ahead they'll get special attached to the high  the public part of this since it's not a public hearing i don't know but how do you close a non public hearing but i would like to move on i think it's time for the playing board to ask questions of the of the the team bill and his is group and then move move along bill are you you feel like you've given the presentation that you wanted to is that it feels pretty complete to me or where we are right now where you are right now looking for what you like to see we actually outlined a plan for our june fifth meeting that would include again materiality of of the building that you know that the elevations in more detail what the that the  the site development how that's going to be better shown we have i think bookie and tell them but we also have some a couple of gardens that are infiltration areas that will take runoff and clean it over so that's it's a target to teaching for so those are things going to be better developed and certainly by the time we return in june we will have hopefully and i say this from a personal level have addressed those comments that you in detail that keeps at least those satisfied that we turned over the rocks that we have to look everywhere to see what the solutions are i can't tell you i honestly can't tell you that what you see will be the final design right now we don't know that we're going to hopefully hear maybe some comments from you know and you know there were many solutions we heard about go to st passionately today the median might be closed as one of you know you can't go up there there may be no light or there may be a light i don't know we have so much  how many non employees of the high school get parking spaces the planning board has some kind of jurisdiction over parking but how far does it go could the planning board say there will be one hundred spaces for teachers and twenty spaces for handicapped and no other parking spaces this this site plan to me looks like nothing but parking and i feel like the whole site has been transformed in a negative way and no matter how beautiful the building is if it's surrounded by cars it's going to feel it i think it's going to make the existing parking space believe listing parking lot look really good where we've concentrated in one spot and we've left the rest of the path of the pond and the area to the west we've left it open and we were i i i have a hard time hearing saying that the building embrace is the pond i think it's in it's it's encroaching on the pond but that's that's that's not i that's not our thing i think that's that's a more general question but i think the question of how many parking spaces they're going to be need there needs to be a discussion between this board and the selectmen about who decides i wouldn't have dreamed that if i had had a car which i couldn't afford in high school i would think i agree with carl that picking the number you know arriving at this number of parking spaces is absolutely critical i respectfully disagree with him about the location of the spaces being detrimental i think it's i think it represents an improvement over the current situation pushing them to the edges and hopefully landscaping them so that they're not not as visible i guess my heart my question is that there are some things that are out of can out of the control of the of the school building committee like i believe the under the underpass under the tracks that is that's part of the the bike paths yes that's correct but we are looking at what that solution would mean on campus what we fear is that if we develop that pathway on campus to a spot along the fence that is blocked it will encourage that so we will probably provide a design for you to see what it might look like on campus in the future but would not want to show that on day one right i guess i'm just so there is there is that which is not in the control of your committee and then i believe is also there is busing decisions which are not in the control of your committee either like the number of buses that serve the high school and what schedule so that they might be a more maybe a more attractive alternative to drop arrest so do you feel do you have the ear of the  guess of the school committee when it comes to busing in of the so on and when it comes to expediting the tunnel so that it might be open sooner instead of later and that people if we could catch that whole when brooke neighborhood they would real the kids walked would arrive ten minutes before their parents easements in place so even though i think this high school is going to take a long time just look at seattle i think that's a lot quicker than when the i was an underpass but we've been talking about it this was sort of a key mitigation if this is the boston project they would say look you know you're going after if this is a profit for profit project they would tell the developer to build the tunnel to mitigate the traffic certainly the redevelopment of the high school i think celebrated the undertaking it's at that location because that's where alexander after dead ends right at the tracks it's not it's it wasn't arbitrarily chosen location it and xander and dead ends there so it was the easiest way to therefore then and there they heard just what you said is this is really important for the school so they are both working on a rodgers broader i i am concerned about having two way traffic in cars backing out as well as having buses pull up and back in i just i think what works well at the high school is someone who had two kids who went there was that people drop people off i mean a lot of throughput goes through that one and then anyone who needed to park hard elsewhere i think bikes simply does it i don't think people will use these drop offs because they'll get stuck in them for half an hour if you actually pull your vehicle and so i think what will happen is people start pulling into parking spaces and dropping off so i think there needs to be a lot of work on that i also at the least and the baseball fields w fencing because you have cars there you have traffic so really the neighbors will be looking at huge fences and lighting and that sort of the entrance to the high school i know this is one entrance this is another but it would be nice if it was more of an entrance to the school rather than showing up sort of in the back forty you play yard or you  know baseball fields i i like what's going on with the school i think it i like how compact of is you know i i appreciate the effort that's going into making it feel smaller  know that's not necessarily in our purview i also just feel like there's so many fields here i i didn't realise that the existing field accommodated the library was looking at moving into a field that was stumbling block all the way on the other end sandy just of initially a question and then some comments so this was submitted in february t bit of flexibility in the site design until we get to the july submission ok so that's where we are right now is we what we had to work on for going though is really getting the educational program in the in the square footage of the building in agreement with the  there's a lot of back and forth that we have to show the site but the focus has really been with where are we on educational needs and what that means to the total square footage of the building now that now that we're on the same page where we were then i think they they pretty much accepted what we have they're still asking for civility ation we now don't have to put the rest of the pieces of the puzzle together ok and just some comments on the site circulation taking a longer view look at this is a fifty year project connected and autonomous vehicles are increasingly becoming part of our every day and a lot of the work that that i'm doing especially working with universities is looking at how to accommodate drop offs for those and not not even looking at parking in the same way we look at parking today in proximity to entrances but actually looking at the drop off locations in close proximity to entrances so with all of the potential parking on conquered avenue i know it's outside of the site but all that parallel parking on the street and the idea that in the next twenty to thirty years we're going to see what i see as a decrease in parking needs and specially with the millennial generation and then this next generation driving less i think we need to consider those ideas as we as a board look at planning parking needs and bike had access points and  how we can keep more of the car traffic at the periphery of this site god forbid there should be parallel parking because that's a lost art form but pulling into even a head on spaces is tricky and a potential solution would be diagonal parking given the driving audience that we're dealing with in the fact that that would at least  speed up the entry and exit from individual spaces and not block traffic from the end of course that's going to drop the number of spaces but then that sympathetic to what karl the saying in that i don't know if we really do need to accommodate quite so many spaces so i ladies and gentlemen ladies and gentlemen worked were under a pretty tight time schedule when you think about this sort way and i think that's part of the problem with this process is that it's it's a it's a rushed consideration given given the various deadlines and the attempt to get this to town meeting by november for approval and our role in this is pretty important to me that it's going to have a big effect on traffic not only within the campus but also off campus because obviously reducing the number of cars the footprint of cars that are on campus is going to affect how things flow to the side it'll it'll require a more efficient pickup and drop off site but it will also they have your input and everybody else's then they're going to submit that to the most p c missouri in july and then there's actually going to be a special town meeting for the vote in the actual vote conditions about when the lights can actually be used i also know that for the general residents that softball field those lights were installed in the seventy's and there are some residents of still feel very upset by those li some people just don't like to use some that like that's a concern for behoove us to separate out some things for example we could say no to the lights on the ball fields and let them come back to us for a special permit and leave on time at a later point in time and take it away from the central case of approving this building so that it can move forward i mean i'm just trying to think of the things that can be pieced out what can't be pieced out of the parking issues per se and the site plan and that can be the lighting i think can be held as a secondary issue solar is not going to be an issue i don't  see that per se if they're letting them flat that's a huge difference that really does make a difference that i was there because the glare in the studies that are required to demonstrate that are really onerous and so if they're going to fly panels that's that will be fine yeah but like certainly the traffic at school i'm going to street rest on that doesn't mean that you can't say listen guys you need to make sure that you take this into consideration well as we consider the parking an there's not a traffic report floating around yet from that that you know we need to find out if there is one up here i got it's kind of weird for us to have a peer review of a town project but if we have a if we have a traffic engineer and gauge we've got dynamic parking going on here you've got you can who knows how these kids are going to be i mean honestly i have to go now to teenage daughter no she's older but i know what that's all i think there are some things you can do with a twenty foot access road with it yes and you had a lot of information i don't know i mean i know that that report that they gave you was thirty five pages long and you know you may not have had sufficient time to the digested perhaps maybe the is good to get that but and we may want to avoid expertise in that meeting as well so that may be a time to talk to if we do have a traffic engineer involved too some commentary there  of people just kind of butt heads with them for a bit before we have their next meeting that would be good input i can check in with adam on who decides what in terms of live we could be helped and like how i mean like i knew when i was in them because the landscape issue so you can i mean it's also a safety issue when you see someone here headset and breaks windows and all these cars lined up here homerun into the throw out another idea i mean i think turf is a touchy subject in many communities but the positive side of it first is when you reduce the number of fields you reduce the footprint of fields you need reduce the maintenance the negative side of that is typically you're going to have lighting you have to you know you have to worry about that now it impacts adjacent neighbors there's been studies out there about the impacts of turf to student athletes from knee injuries to heat index  some of it has been studied in more detail than others and if you look at wellington turf there's looks like mouse droppings all over the school from the pieces that come off the turf what i'm thinking is a lot of you have various impressions and edition from mission you would like to see correct so maybe what you need to do is send all of your questions and information you want to see to spencer and i right and you could if we could get comments  i'd like to move us on to the next piece of the agenda which is basically the presentation for a town meeting i've been working with with stuff from jeffrey on two very simple presentations they're not complicated at all and the point is to keep it simple stupid tell thing tell the people what they need to know and then tell him again and then voice over that and then hope like heck they vote with you so there's article four article five article fo a very good move that's spencer yeah don't take any credit so anyway so so so that's fairly straightforward in the hope here is that chuck will read the motion yes and i will defend it and then we'll go for the vote so just to be clear yes that's the same development do you know that steve yes but there are different aspects of the same value oh ye responsible is owning getting the photograph right and getting it so that you really could feel it was going on is a tough thing to do at any rate so showing these it's a limited presentation it should be pretty quickly i would hope article five very similar kind of approach will ask permission to do an abbreviated reading of the motion so that fair you'll read the motion the week goes is you actually going to ask town meeting to dispense with the reading of you'll you'll get the motion after me but exactly what i personally i can wander but well that's the whole point too far because this was just to get a reaction up there and so that then people are listening to you and what you're saying because they can see the facts ok so these are the these are the ones jeffrey do we need to vote to approve  on the other hand i do like the idea of having somebody going to ask how many cases to be done i mean i think that's an important people are going to see the zoning map on on the on the board i don't know it's already been sent to them handed out anymore right and yet you have to it's an e mail now and just i mean this in some ways is the most important p s and that it's not the whole ten but would you just leave it in a in a stack w aft out yeah yeah because that's a special town meeting that's going to be also held with on the within the sec and that's why they try to group it all together right i believe almost turns first and then the opt out comes second oh  it's a very interesting yeah you know they're going to do that moratorium the marijuana sales tax right and then they're going to go to the special town meeting which is the opt out now the issue that just and there has been six production and medical testing testing has testing and if you choose not to have one of those within your zoning by law you have to opt out and you have to have a vote of that so  something's going to be a long meeting yes because it's very confusing because i mean it last night at the work committee meeting and censor speak up place on this if there's anything to add but there was a lot of confusion around the whole process of opting out to just a town meeting and then there was the vote and then the vote when can they vote occur can you just you know and what's the cost of all this and you know  around the bacon yes that yeah it's sort of you can't that process could be captured and shown publicly this is how the process works the owner was was very cooperate i know ultimately ultimately i think that while he was justifiably disappointed that rank and not being able to get everything you want but he was willing to go there architect was wonderful in that spencer you did a great job i think it was a good case you know i wish i only wish i must say that it