i think that you know bob was an unusual man and he and i didn't see eye to eye on all the time but i respected his opinion and he respected mine and i think that goes a long  further do right i think we should have the unveiling and i think the spots grandson ok right thank you very much members of council i appreciate the opportunity to play a small role in tonight's ceremony recognizing councilman atkinson on his years of dedicated service to peter's township fifty years as  resident twenty two of the last twenty four years serving on council in to present a citation to the family in mrs zacchaeus and you know i met had the occasion to meet mr akerson one time when we were meeting with council and it was clear that mr akeson certainly expressed his opinions very clearly to me about what he what he thought i should do what he thought i shouldn't do it and i think that's that's a great quality and i  know his service to peter's township is his you know almost lifelong residency here you know working on the montoya trail peters would park the ambulance arrives those are all things that are literally  resources in peter's township that will carry on long after we're all gone and i think that is one of the truest testaments to someone's time on earth what they left behind in in he not only left a beautiful family a beautiful wife behind but also those community resources that people in peter's township and throughout the area will be able to take advantage of generation after generation after generation my kids their kids their kids beyond that so it's an honor for me to present on behalf of the senate of pennsylvania a citation recognizing mr akerson and i'll read a brief portion of it whereas mr jackson was a revered and respected man of his community in his loss will be felt by the many individuals who knew it mired loved him his inspiring presence and genuine love for his family and friends will live long in the hearts and memories of the many individuals whose lives he touched now therefore be resolved that the senate of the commonwealth of pennsylvania kno with great great sadness the passing of robert l akeson sr whose life greatly benefited all those who lived served and worked with him and extend heartfelt heartfelt condolences to his wife of fifty four years and akeson and his entire family and resolve that a copy of this document sponsored by matt smith be transmitted to an first item on the agenda would be approval of the minutes of the regular council meeting of august twelfth two thousand and thirteen and that the minutes be accepted as written so we have a motion in a second is there any further discussion hearing on all favor the motion say i die post saying they six zero mr sylvester e special reports are there any special reports ok we're up to five minutes relative to a non agenda item is to books good evening council ron books eight fifty five b this evening i would just like to  give praise to our great ruler obama a rock i have learned just recently of some of the achievements that he's been able to accomplish in the process  permanently trance changing the united states one of the first things i learned about isn't that in the in the first time since one thousand nine hundred we're actually saying an increase in serious crimes rape murder that's quite an achievement after four on other president terms of four years to see this this this fellow be able to achieve that kind of an increase the other thing i'd like to applaud him on is the fact that most of us who work or have work are now taking home ten percent less money in our paychecks than we did before that again is a is an achievement duty should be proud  and lastly today something that is a record that i would have never thought he could have but achieved we now have more people in the united states the road is located here on the top of the screen now or hill located along to a one off to the side and from this aerial you can see you can regard the shape of the sides of the property but we have an existing home which is the court house right here and that will remain in regard to the overall subdivision and then from here you can see is really a long term deal rooted we have mostly an open field area with the some mixture of trees and then as we work our way into the site we have an existing pond located  in regard to show in the top a graphic conditions of the site really what happens springdale road along in through your here is the high point of the site so everything along springdale road flows to the drainage area along this section so you can see regarding where we are in regard to slopes now we take a little bit more of a general neighborhood view we have the hamlet development is located here down the bomb to the the screen we have a hamlet phase one and phase two that have been completed hamlet phase three which is under construction right along through here and then we have what's hamlet for and then find in and hamlet face five it's designed to the road goes all the way up to the property line of lake shard stays and would provide actually a secondary entrance into this location but really knowing the dam would face five is still several years away and we w slide we've kind of outlined earlier how the sewer system works in the hammer so we have this then try goes up phase five and then it could be extended the site and from that you're able to bring some gravity fed sewers all the way through the lake sharp property but we also have an existing sanitary sewer located up here and on on springdale and what we've done is in regards to the the sanitary sewer is to at this time with this plane is to construct and extend the sanitary line in the constructed all the way along the road area now in regard to the topo as i said springdale is really the high point of the road so any homes that would be placed along into here would really need to end up having grander pumps to get up to the existing or the new sanitary sewer line we have met with the sewer authority within the last several months and they have agreed to grind your pumps would be an acceptable process for for this for this development so when we take a look at through here as a point so really no site construction type of work that's needed just really extending regard to the sanitary sewer for for the site and when we look at this once again there is a need to extend sanitary sewer up into this area will already have in place a easement and construction easement to very unsanitary sewer all way up and around to be able to serve the property you heard through here and it will serve the property along through th section so even though we are only building this sanitary sewer along in through here will have the capability in the future to to install soon and very sewers if needed further in into the site so really we're meaning acreage correct yeah we have a lot number six which is really about twenty two layers right along in through here is the end of vision to be a second phase portion of the problem now right along to year is its own separate parcel but because the hamlet phase five road is not constructed it became a land long piece of property which you're not allowed to subdivide and have a land locked property that it might be sold to the other property because right now you don't have a road into that area and i should take a road through that lot six well no what would happen is was part of the earlier presentation of hamlet phase five the actually you just kind of see it right here their actual road right away goes to the property line so there is a the possibility at some future time of extending that road at that point not at all coming from this direction right but so at that point then crazy in this part of the property as its own separate parcel but because of the land along nature of it it wasn't possible but we're really looking at vis part always remain a part of what number six what is the average size of the seventy six feet wide minimum requirements is it a vision that if you develop the lower part of the property that that would provide direct access to very no we're not that there would be a road connection all the way through the lot number six through there we would look only at really developing this as i've mentioned this portion of its property so any kind of access that came from that property would have to go through so what happens in regard to because we really don't have any site construction except for the sanitary sewers all all on lot stormwater all storm water for each lot will be handled on its own individual lot and not the pond itself so it just becomes an amenity you know what i was really sorry to see all those trees but i think it does look like a nice piece of property mr courtney that we have crew lake charles states  conditional clients to the fourteen conditions set forth by the planning commission and next item under new business would be a special permit request by brian holmes ache for development advertising sign on for our lane for me my name is brian clough and i am representing brian holmes tonight and i'm here on behalf of brian holmes to ask permission of consideration to have a sign installed sixty by twenty eight professionally installed by day schmidt from sign masters at the intersection of valley broke and fr hindsight being twenty twenty back probably in the end of two thousand and seven if we had realized that economy in general and the building industry specifically would have taken such a significant downturn we probably would have been here sooner to ask for permission to have a sign installed right now with all the construction going on at valuable growed it is significantly affected adversely affected the traffic that we have coming into our plant we're being told by our marketing coordinators at prevention will that the traffic is down probably under seventy five eighty percent and right now at the present time we have seven billable in our planned marriage planned along with four spec homes and what we're hoping is that by having a sign erected that we're going to get more than just a people out f we're hoping to be able to get people that are basically looking for new construction in the price range that we're building to come into the plant and a common response that we hear all the time is people from the area peters timeship stop park bethel park mount lebanon a percent clear when they ask you know where we're building and we tell them we're building in peter's timeship we tell them we're building in the metal ridge plan the response is they have no idea where it's at so  is kind of off of the beaten path and that's why we feel that a sign would help us immensely when we feel that our pinion is that the planned marriage plan is a definite asset to the  where we were hoping is that it would be a temporary sign but temporary to the point where we were finished with our marriage plan that we would have to sign take out the lady said we have four spec comes under construction right now and there's another se lots i think they deserve to get assigned somewhere further out but i don't know how first of all i don't know how we can get permission to have you put it someplace where we don't have the right as far as the size if you move it further rock to  based on the budget for the project was thirty two thousand dollars the bids came in significantly lower basically it's just replacing the existing fence around the soccer field with a similar fen the it's not a question of the individual scenario i was one of the people who asked about this because someone approached me and it's usually an elderly parent with a child or a caregiver who comes on an intermittent basis so it's not necessarily going to be the same person over and over again but the parent or the elderly person needs help consistently so somebody will be here  of your you're saying individual may vary from week to sell you are you saying that the just to clarify your example the resident would buy some sort of extra pass that would allow the levers with them to paul would be probably better it was nothing that perhaps we should take this step and go forward so i'm going to move that we approved the amendment to the caregiver eight feet policy for the community recreation  florida for a review the bills everything seemed to be good there was a pretty sizable check in their money i think it might go for a refund on on some taxes was a refund i mean i read through them with a look like there's just different variations of how the responses are going to go and i would assume we would just leave that up to our steam to consul so it sounds reasonable or mr johnson  we are doing today and tomorrow to kind of make sure everybody's aware about school starting right at the morning rush hour for school we have all marked vehicles out on the road traveling through the various schools and then the officers are stopped by the schools so just to kind of make sure people are aware ok since you were talking about police you noted that there were again several times when we did not meet our complement of staffing and your note said that it was related to illness and injuries but it seems like the majority of the time was vacation cop holidays and training if you add up the days forty four officers off on injuries or illnesses so will be written looking at staffing plans when we do the budget and i would presume so that we can see what seems to be constant thank over the money they had saved the barn money that was there jack up costs so we don't know really how much d p and harlan that to township going in there and doing additional work might potentially have kept on liability and i don't you know that's a risk i don't think we can take so i vacillate i'm going to i've talked don't want to accept a lie that's probably the proper course and being unless we get something authorization or something in writing i don't think we should expose ourselves and become a liability right my original concern was that we would end up employers to make sure that back on there and that is occurring properly so we're going to take a sampling in washington you know if you ever have a discussion or i told you but you know my office in washington and i have to pay you know and when they send you that final form at the end it's like it looks like you're getting a refund but then i had to explain to them no no no i actually you know i think i owe you a couple hundred and they simple just write it down there tell us what you know and i thought that was kind of a terms mr chairman before mr sylvestris steps away can i ask a question i received a phone call from a resident and it's related to traffic calming and i didn't have a chance to look up our own process  issue in question or the location in question is the infamous intersection of power hill for o b and bebop around them color lives in the area has experienced as have many of us difficulty getting in and out of the intersection coming off the bow or excuse me coming up our he wanted to be about her from beyond to be bound and asked whether or not we could do traffic coming there and i know that we have talked about this before and that the state doesn't feel there's a problem