watson and the planning board going to join us to talk about four items that u p a grant accepting acceptance of the e p a grant the housing production plan in the authorize a chairman to sign the south coast real application  public hearing to transfer to entertain the transfer of all alcohol restaurants license from m j holdings to dean and corporate other otherwise known as i christine is fireside grill open meeting law remote participation by law that was passed last year it o'clock the town manager's going to review with us there and his and our goals and objectives it eight thirty the water and sewer board will join start with the pledge of allegiance mark you want to join us they need us today leftist seven will start with a citizen's input so if anyone wants to say anything if they come to the microphone and for the record just introduce yourself august one was the collection agent the town collected money from homeowners and then paid it to the vendor who was picking up trash so we had to maintain a list of who is legally being picked up and who wasn't in order to build them correctly and make sure that payment got transferred to the vendor we are no longer in that business as of august first we've  taken us out of that business transfer the responsibility for collection and more importantly for collecting receivables and overdue directly to the vendor because frankly why should the taxpayers foxbor pay for people who don't pay their bills on time and we were bearing a substantial cost so we transfer that liability now for the new vendor on august first to know who he is supposed to pick up we have to give him that computerized list of all the people in town who are on the old contract and that was in the r of p that we issued publicly to all those vendors now if a resident doesn't tell somebody either the new town contract or russell or the town that they no longer want that service and they've opted for dooley or any of the other competitors then neither the vendor know the town has any way to know that they've chosen a new vendor in which case that homeowner is going to get two bills he's going to get a bill from the current town awarded contract or because that person thinks they still want the service and they're going to get a bill from whoever they're actually decided that they want to have pick up their trash and are they libel for both i don't know it's not a town matter anymore it's strictly between the private contractors commonsense would say that if somebody doesn't want the town vendor to pick them up anymore just do exactly what they've been told to do in a number of publications that we put out call town hall the treasurer's office say i don't want to be picked up by the town vendor great take them off the list and they can be picked up by whoever they want or call the vendor directly my understanding is he sent a letter to all thirty eight hundred people who appear on the town list and he said to them if you don't want to pick you up call us and tell us nothing could be simpler if people decide that they are going to sign up with a new vendor and there don't call us and i don't call with the down town contractor then they are running the risk of getting two bills and i have a libel i don't know but i know what i do i do it i was well this is by still i'd call russell when i got that letter and i'd say yup i want to be on your list or no i don't but i wouldn't play games with this because you know playing games or that not revealing who you want to pick you up is only going to lead to a problem for you the homeowner that's not a problem for the town in a town by the way is not going to get involved in a dispute between two private contractors is not our business as of august first the town is out of the business and the private contractors are in the business and that's the way it should have been all along frankly i don't know why the town ever became the remitting agent it's it's a poor situation and we can't find any communities that even do that so for the record we have the talent treasury's numbers so frank and yet well here's the problem the service starts on our on august f know it all the information we already put out for the paper twice that the vendor put out in a letter to every single homeowner it had a deadline by which we had to call here and notify us that deadline has now passed we have turned the computerized list over to the vendor as of i think yesterday and now there is no well it might be out i don't might be as of today now you can still call the vendor and let him know but you can't let us know anymore business and so residents who do want to discontinue the town sponsored vendor can call the number that they've always been calling five five four three one two two four they call that number of the thirty f want to let it be known i don't know if you know but i tried bring it up a list of the people that have been in and i had a conversation ready and he did a great job describing to me of why they wouldn't accept the less i understand that thank you but i was just trying to do common courtesy to say so there's not problems because there's going to be problems and and you know i want to cut them down so it's going to be less have let it less headaches for me is going to expand it's going to have less headaches for the town you guys can say you guys are out of the business but it's not like your phone is going to be blocked anyone who wants to ask you something about child trash they're still going to get through you're still going to get asked a question a j as you brought a list up what he's talking about  brought a list up talk to the treasurer's office of people that he said had called him and want to sign up with him and had gone off the town service i had instructed the finance department not to accept that list because it would be akin to comcast giving us a list and saying hey here's everybody who's off around who's off the rise and sign him up with us obviously we can't we cannot get in the middle of a competitive relationship so he told a j tell those folks to do it we've told them call us personally and we haven't called the vendor and they do not and i have but now you're right we didn't from the beginning because i felt my way about it but i just wanted to be easier and we are told everyone to contact our so i just needed to ask for the people there are going to be some people who don't make the phone call and i just want to protect my customers as well and i make sure you go make a phone call but it's not like an e mail where you have a response and it's i came up here on either thursday or i think it was either wednesday or thursday and i asked for a cancellation form i was going to scan it and e mail it out to all my customers and they told me that they do not have a cancellation form so that is something that you guys have adapted in the last couple days out of necessity that you have a good idea to do and he said yes i would make it easier the good the good news mr chairman members of the board the winners in this is the public because what we set out to do is create a competitive environment so that the homeowners would be the consumer would be the winners in this and i don't think we ever quite expected it would be so competitive but that's a good thing because what the homeowners are getting is a better deal whether they go in than they would have been paying five years from now under the old contract so we've affected a very good result for the homeowners and there's a little confusing but i'm sure a month from now everybody will have slid into the new and they'll be perfectly fine and you know the great but you know there's some this some pains when you're doing this sort of a change to i would vendors going and so there are probably a few people caught in the sea of but hopefully will minimize it ok and i would like to thank you guys for listen me and i just like to wake one comment on what you did because you kind of opened the door for me there and that was you know i think that you did bring a competitive environment as far as the price and i do think the town's going to get a great price but i do think that i bore up in this town my whole entire life and growing up here the great thing about foxboro was that it was a small town and you know we had the small town added attitude and i think that you guys made a mistake hired someone from the other yes i thought i apologise for that many you don't have to respond to that thank you thank you very much speaking of august first trash change august first is also your tax bills are due i was asked to remind everybody so august first which is wednesday anyway anyone else this is important i would that if the planning board wanted to come up to the table with sharon and discuss the e p a and housing authority plan consortium grant and we were one of five towns that were chosen so i was asked to come and describe a little bit about what it is we propose to have a parking workshop that looks at available parking and where there might be additional parking in the downtown specifically working with the library to try and identify some solutions for their employee parking it's going to look at our parking ratio requirements in the zoning and the final piece will be a workshop where we can share what we learned with the rest of the folks in  it's very competitive we were thrilled to have been selected and i was told to come in describe it and ask you guys to accept that grant to speak for just a minute i mean i read through this it was very impressive what i liked about it it was specific to foxborough all the other towns in maine or got one and that was for  redevelopment of asset they have now the tangata want to use for a rail system so it was this is something that i don't think they just gave the money to do what you want it was specific and i know you guys spent a lot of time working towards us and i appreciate that so  open up to the board if there's any comments and it's comes at a good a good time as well with respect to the master plan and the people that are involved with downtown so this is a huge piece to a puzzle that was brought up and discussed over and over at the master planning but now there's a tool or not well i certainly don't mind doing that but this was signed this contract was signed already on july eleventh by town manager so we can make a motion to accept the contract that was already signed but we don't have to if you  more discussion of those in favor i think sharon five to nothing thank you thank you all so item three was the housing production plan and you guys were good enough to attend a joint meeting with the planning board on the twenty eighth and went through the plan with the staff and made a lot of suggestions they made corrections and additions to the plan they also sent us information on how to set up a municipal housing trust which was one of the ideas that was brought out through their plan and one of the things that the tools that the planning board is specifically looking bored to deal with  the situation just not green so i wanted to know if you have formed an opinion and are willing to adopt them when i've recommended adoption to the planning board for what that's worth a brief but right i wrote a quick one page memo municipal housing trust is is a tool that enables the town to accept gifts or grants of money for the purposes of affordable and subsidized housing as well as what's called workforce housing for people earning above low income but certainly not market rate housing and it's used in the city of boston for example has a linkage program where every new housing development must have a minimum percentage of affordable housing and if they don't build it in the same unit they pay or donate other units to the housing trust it's a tool that will enable the town to accept land money well in units or whatever and having built in place the hospital state hospital plan requires that twenty percent of the housing be affordable and we're hearing from the developers various developers of volved and the entire trust that green project that that's a problem in our housing production plan we in fact found that the vast majority of affordable housing stock that the town has is in that immediate area and consistent through the housing plan and previous work the community the c a s the town did in the ninety's and the community development plan that they did in the early two thousand so they could apply for state grants was the idea that we wanted affordable housing throughout town and we didn't want it to be stigmatized or identified as affordable housing it should look like a house in the neighborhood that anyone could live in and so the idea of working with some of the chest that just that green developers to find other solutions for their affordable housing  requirements the trust is a really powerful tool in making that happen who would be the chairman of order selectman appoint trustees and at his discretion it can be be members of boards it can be citizens the board has a minimum of five members that can be more and as i noted in the memo different towns require permission of the slackman to spend money permission of the town meeting to borrow money so it's really customized to your town but it's a mechanism that enables you to accept these gifts for the purposes of affordable housing so the board has to be thought about the powers of the board have to be thought about the mechanics of how they can do business and how they maintain their books for lack of better words have to be thought about requires town meeting action to create simple majority of town meeting a simple majority account meeting to create such a trust and it just says so there's no confusion a lot of towns have trust set up but they also have the preservation of the community preservation if the town would entertain going into a preservation act which is if you sell out your apostle of land a certain percentage goes right that's not what we're talking about here if that set up that would go into this really object could kill it separate right so this is donations donations mitigate mitigation money conceivably memorial gifts or people who wanted to contribute something to the community it would be a vehicle for those sorts of board time to read all the information people from m a p c sent along with the final plan for the town's consideration when the during the presentation we heard about the trust realized the town didn't have one we thought to be a good vehicle because we've been working with a housing authority through the housing plan and a clarification on the plan itself just because we adopt it doesn't make it happen those things it will have to be done as you read through the thing and it's going to be a long process but if we at least adopted we have a vehicle to work that we may or may not reach the conclusion and get the whole thing done but  the chairman to do this right well actually that's not on the agenda tonight though the three things that are on there is that the e p a grant which we've accepted the housing production plan which it sounds like on is just hold off right  might say would might think differently but i don't think there's any urgency over the next month to get this done i just want to know to the board's attention and probably even more so for the public playing a board in sharon are really doing an extraordinary amount of work with respect to future planning i have never in my career worked with a more proactive planning board and home plan or i did the the amount of work they're pushing out in terms of planning for this committee's future is really quite extraordinary every time i turn around here and show me about a new that they're going after all that they just got the number of different areas that they're looking at the downtown of the won the overall community is absolutely astounding this is really an extraordinary effort they're making in most towns  plenty of boards are purely reactive boards they'd never do planning despite their name because they're always reacting to subdivision applications of information and i never get around to planning and this planning board and this plan a really don't know extraordinary job and i hope the board in the public is aware of that because it's very spare e special what's going on here believe me john very much appreciate it and so lastly we got the housing production plan budget by south coast rail last year this year we wanted to apply for funds to update the zoning for the downtown and i'm prepared to grant application the state requires sign that grant i believe you had copies of that that is due july the thirty first so if you could vote on that this evening i would be very grateful that you guys all read that your packets wrapping up the master plan on  that is that a summary of the other two meetings and kind of a presentation or are you looking for more public input we're looking for more public employee we thought if it was just a power point of what's happened nobody but he would want to but we really want to think about group one and think can read ok so at seven fifteen we had a public hearing at seven thirty so we can read the legal notice if you would lorraine the board of selectmen of the town of foxborough acting as the local licensing authority pursuant to mass general law chapter one thirty eight will conduct a public hearing on tuesday july twenty fourth two thousand and twelve at seven fifteen p m in the end through a gala junior meeting room forty south street foxboro massachusetts an application for transfer of license of an annual all alcoholic beverages restaurant license from m j holding corporation to d n n corporation to washington street foxboro massachusetts manager nicholas premises is first floor restaurant with dining areas and function facility all interested persons are invited to attend the hearing or select in foxboro massachusetts at this time i'd invite any representatives from we are just so you know we live video on cable and also if you could just speak into the microphone people can hear you as well the result is that the corporation m j holdings is no longer in possession of the premises by court to create and d n a and is restored to the premises as the operator there the current licensee is m j holdings there operating under a license agreement between d n a and m j holdings a temporary license agreement effective july first  until this license is transferred to the consent decree entered by the norfolk's a period court has required that the parties to go she in good faith the transfer of the license  looking for the board's consent to this transfer of the license petition for transfer of ownership there's some discrepancies in ownership which is on file with the child and what is in the original application this amend it is reflects the original ownership in officers that was approved in two thousand when it was originally approved so i'm sorry i'm not following we have an application that has seventy was fifty percent fifty percent you know they made it is this is the amended one when i go up in the law i got a call last week to take a look at this and the application was filed to bring about the hearing is the one that has two fifty percent shareholder status erroneous and ok i think what happened here was that from from to win in two thousand there were three shareholders and two of them had nine hundred fifty shares and one of them had one hundred shares over the years the corporate members and she'll holders made changes to the corporate structure to their offices directors in shareholders and they did it through periods agreements but they never got the approval of this boyd or the a b c six and i think it may be may have been three or four different transactions that it came about that ended up with the present structure at least on the original application they had a fifty fifty shareholder every change of office a director shareholder of a corporation that holds a liquor license has to come before this forward for approval in the a b c city because obviously we're certain reasons why certain felons can't own local licenses boring license there there are there are all kinds of reasons why you have to examine the ownership of every license of the a b c see this corey checks on all these all these changes to also every time there's a change that it rejuvenates he many changes were made without any approvals so when i saw the application that had been filed if they didn't match the town's records of the a b c c records i told display case that i didn't think this application was in proper form even though a lot's happened in between the only application this board to consider is a transfer from the record holders to the proposed holders so he amended the application to reflect what your papers reflect and that's really the original structure of the corporation back in two thousand having said that with the amended application it's at least in proper for can you can now approve the transfer if you desire to approve it before you could even really consider it because the people on the application were really not the owners as far as you are concerned and they really weren't the directors o treasurer or whatever their office before it's a big now having said that the people who claim an ownership may have some rights be the monetarily financially or in equity that a court may well be able to enforce you can't enforce those rights here you can only look at the license as it isn't as it should be so what i'm trying telling you is your the improper for at least lease the transfer or the transfer the original structure and there have been no applications to this board to alter that structure ok and i do want to add that i live in july twenty fifth two thousand this board also approved a pledge of this license to d incorporation so d n a and has an interest in this security interest in this license and always has been so we are a party in interest to this to this transfer as well  the transfer and the commission approved the transfer then the new transferee would be the the lawful owner of the license everything would be in that from that point forward be fine it would not  not wipe out the prior problems of someone to pursue it but the prior problems in format would not would that affect the a b c sees approval they made situation they may choose to have are they ma have a question from counsel from spooner nobbles through the board so what i'm looking at here is the original which matches the town records showing a fifty percent interest so presumably this is this despite the fact that is has never been filed a change of ownership this represents what your clients intention well i cannot represent that i do not represent ok so here's the dilemma for the board president from some twelve years ago yes i can talk so here is the disturbing part the president of the corporation to whom you are being asked to transfer the license is the same person who over the course of pursue him and sanction him for prior violations under this license but to hold up the transfer the license is punishing responsible ownership in a viable business in the town of foxborough for some you know poor reward mr in charge or by agreeing to a transfer were potentially this remuneration involved assets whatever for and recognize the fact that he utterly failed to pro disclose to this town for over a decade the correct ownership of this corporation and how does the board know that during that twelve year period that completely improper person we're not running an organization i can answer that because i have no knowledge of and this is information that is just arrived tonight and i apologize to the boy that we were in a we didn't know this sooner i think lou is been trying very hard to get the various parties to provide a complete revelation of the facts so i'm sorry that we were unable to get all this in front of you more timely but i think under the circumstances my recommendation the board you give counsel are cause a little more time to explore this because frankly i don't i don't see how the board can responsibly transfer this license knowing that there could be financial gain to the president of global ration who acted in a fantastically irresponsible manner for over a decade and i don't see how you can do it moreover i think the licensing authority would look a little bit ridiculous to a b c say when they reveal this like what are you people doing there in foxborough transferring the us and i just i'm just incredulous hearing us and i think this really needs a little more exploration and and proper facts are put in from the board games of a dad to captain the board could even seize the license at this point because there's been multiple violations and you know that the strike for a role in you and you said press scaife residence with many other community businesses in the community where you would definitely have been in conflict with so i  think the advice is is out cordoning and correct but i also want to know is there be fines and other things that would be employable and who is paying low to clean up this come back to the town anyway and then weekend separately the wanting it to him without a transfer type of thing you have to get right i'm not saying about this evening to there's a court order in this packet that states that the license will revert back to the town effective august first if there is no agreement to transfer the license between m j india and then then it would revert to the town august first which is sixty days from the consent decree that's correct so if that's the case and that's the case i guess my question is what is the barrier to transferring today a week you know we can have before that as opposed to it happening through that order  large party of two hundred people waiting and they're being paid no i'm just thinking that pozen and that's going forward i permitting the transfer or the business is allowed to continue to operate  jenny from what i understand in order to do this transfer you'd have to settle the any liabilities and from my understanding the the town is owed almost ten thousand dollars in police details that's correct so i wouldn't do anything until the time thoughts are received the checks are whatever that amount is honest ten thousand dollars i think that should be settled first before we do anything else came in voluntarily paid twenty thousand dollars and back past two water bills which m j had not paid and up personal property taxes of m j holdings to clear this lice thing to preserve his interest in this license as a pledge and as the owner of real estate and that is the consideration pay for his license for this to punish him for his investment in interest in this license by revoking it is  intends to proceed with the transfer then i think i would certainly recommend to you that as a condition of the transfer you require payment of that outstanding detail balance because the corporation that owns  j holding would be i would suspect orderly unable to pay it the police chief is pursuing collection efforts and in court it's actually pursuing a criminal violation for failure to pay that but i think it would be in everybody's best interest if the board decides to transfer to require payment that i also would request that the board consider asking our councils bill to be paid by the treasury or the transfer her because we had expended extraordinary amount on the taxpayers back because of the extremely unusual nature of this license is being actively exercised how can a victim tenant exercise a license on premises from which they've been evicted we have entered into a license agreement with m j michael in trshavn exclusion of spin as  it's the case that the folks that the licensing the for already believe or operating the license as presented on this transfer of ownership amended are in fact not the people currently exercising my coin toss it is currently exercising their rights under the license as manager of the on the license really it is to best of my knowledge and asked us no and as all i know so let me ask this of our of town a special council so if a corporation wants to change its corporate offices they have to come for the lighting as forty reveal that the licensing authority has to find the proper and agree to the change of ownership so they can then exercise the license right but instead of doing that there's been a side bar agreement made which has different people operating the license with no knowledge of this licensing authority that seems to be mr chairman members of the board i get is that correct i think under the circumstances that are being revealed here to grant this transfer while it is it puts mr pedagog bliss in a very unfortunate situation and i will say to the board he has been he's been terrific in his dealings with the town but frankly the way this is fine out i just don't know how we can responsibly recommend to you that you make a transfer without giving counsel a little more time to try to ascertain exactly what is going on here this is bill to suggest that to say that this is unusual would be a  is the most unusual transaction i've ever heard of me just go back a little bit just to something that bothered me if you're putting this in context of this board taking a position to punish mr and i gobble us let me present this we got this packet of information we've got more information just as we sat down today and then we've got more information contesting the fact that you can even do what you're doing from business partners that may not even be business partners this is a complete mess right now so to sit there and say you know if we want to punish somebody for doing that and he's trying to do something good you put us in a very awkward situation so i'd like to make a motion and end it here to put this to take it under advisement for two more weeks you guys get your act together you guys work together in come back in two weeks because the license right now by all rights i think we're being not even doing i do it by not seizing the license right now that's my opinion but out of fairness to the people that have booked weddings or such as the facility for such other things i think this is what the board should do is take a license right now and then i think the board to grant a temporary license on certain dates until we figure this mess out for they think the dates that they have booked for weddings are so we can do temporary licensing with they've got a wedding say sat it friday and saturday this board can grant a one day like a license or to date like license i think we seize the license right now grant a couple one day like license for the next two weeks until we get to straight up because we're a lot with this town is liable i think the problem is who do we granted to because what is saying is a partnership that's not on the old corporate documents it's not on the new corporate documents it's something that we hear enough for the first time to give us a temporary it's a different m j holdings i think that's a point well you know going on record of who who the new m j holding is i don't want to see brides and grooms you know crying either guys but you know you put me in a swap here this is just this is bizarre  that's not the piece of paper i got to the last minute if the license reverts back to the town is that ten thousand dollar liability still will be a personal liability it's its collectible you lose court whether or not we prevail i don't know but it's a pretty it's a from the point of view of is it all it's pretty much a slam dunk and so would the court in force on our behalf i suspect that will go well for us now if at some point this transfer were to get worked out so that it could go forward then that would be back on the table hopefully we would get the detail paid and the criminal charges would be dropped or if someone were to pay them for ninety nine thousand three hundred seventy six dollars and forty cents that of course would drop the criminal charges immediately obviously well that you know it's really just a separate entity here the thing is was my can talk he's here tonight affect a function but we're not going to affect whatever agreement that the two parties have big man you can between the two parties can not activate that and push it back correct so in august for us to  is not the the ownership is not what is is in front of us but he doesn't represent the current owner correct yes i do not represent m j holdings i have no knowledge of what their ownership stock ownership is or even with have an agreement with them through your client to hold this license right now so you must have some information of who fall into this current license correct and that's based on a vote that they provided us saying that they are authorized to do this so that to enter into so that vote that you are privy to and that you represent is a group that's not in front of us right now that's correct you know you have a poppy that bug so how do we allow a license to continue for two more weeks when they are in violation of at least the paperwork to have a valid license i'm sure council will corroborate you can't revoke the license for the due notice and a hearing and it takes i don't remember the time frame so you can take that action tonight and you may recognize that as of tonight the license exists and a condition of violation and we might all sit right here and say yup that's the case but you can't take any action on that until you have given notice and is so so the soon as we could do anything about that would be in a couple weeks anyways suggestion that kind of percolated through my head what would happen if the transfer application were withdrawn and a change in corporate ownership application were filed correct and then allowing the proper ownership as  us whatever it is allowing the board to make a determination of the that the new ownership is in fact appropriate i'll be it a little tongue in cheek because we know that things happened over the course of the past few years but at least the board would now be blessing to the current ownership is there and then and if a transfer was still desired it could be filed after the board blesses the new corporate ownership that at least would give some order to this so at the time you've would be asked to consider a transfer you not being asked to transfer to an entity which we've been told doesn't exist essentially i mean that this is but where you're at what if that's the case what what we would what we would be asked what would what we would be asked to do is to transfer it to and if in touch is on the list that's somebody that's been in violation for year after year and you might find that that is not a suitable person to hold this license and you might deny that application causing the corporation to have to seek other officers who might be more appropriate i don't know i'm not trying to suggest what you will do i'm just trying to suggest a more orderly process  recognition of the fact that there's been self admission of a very substantial violation over a long period of time that continues and that has to get remedied somehow and i don't think the remedy is to simply say oh we'll just go ahead and transfer it to someone new and we'll just forget about this twelve year ongoing violation and pretend it didn't happen i think that's just inappropriate and were we so foolish as to do that i think a b c see what should stop it or not in a heartbeat and we as a licensing authority would lose enormous credibility with an agency that exists in an oversight authority to us and i think those are real real issues there so i only make the suggestion mr chairman is food for thought for council  it may be a more orderly way to go forward with this process and if that's found to have some merit between the councils that they may want to think very carefully about who the corporate officers are that they put before this board so you are you going to withdraw your a couple of pieces of information just to update the public in the board the last time meeting this board supported an article regarding the parking along the stadium areas there's been several groups that have met a committee in the neighborhood group and they're going to report back tomorrow at seven and that's in this room at seven p m i do kind of  there's some suggestions and thoughts that were made to try to form the basis of the standards that are going to set they are going to be set up to force the buy a lot of the ten seconds basis so that that's coming up tomorrow night use of the common there was a there was an event this week which triggered some rethinking on if you want to use the foxboro common they used to be a simple process in a form and what the i think town hall has found that there's sometimes more information needed so the forms have been updated so anyone that wants to use a town common for their purposes has to fill out forms in the questions about electricity in traffic and sanitary facilities and number of people and that gets routed to the building department in the fire department in the police in the town hall so i think was a successful and i think you spoke at that this weekend so moving forward i think just because of those large crowds it was a through our time in his review his performance review in a salary review and i don't think it's i think it's the system when you do a people's review a lot of the negatives come out a lot of the because you want to match them up to the list so you feel obligated to come up with the negatives into positives and a lot of times a negative gets in the paper and i get we got a letter the selectmen got a letter from another board member it just wanted to read it kind of put it in context and probably a little more fitting tonight since we're going into the goals objectives with kevin says board of selectmen in regards to kevin pecos a town of ministre to recently i became aware of mr paco says very public performance evaluation and wanted to offer my impression of a personal and very helpful reason interaction experienced i would like to commend mr pecos for a swift an excellent assistance with two matters that arose from a one when a year ago in another more recent in both cases he was very helpful to me and timely his responses despite there being much on his town manager's plate to distract him i would respectfully request that this be formally place in his record for future reference perhaps more often we focus on the negatives in the positives that the people do for each other we need to be sure that we also thank people sufficiently for the good they do this is a thank you for a town manager kevin pickles and this was from the air force to an attorney but also on the zoning board so just to put a little bit in context when it's easy to say negative but when  town i did send him a thank you thank you mr m i mean the last piece of the update i want to add over the last couple meetings we've had meetings with the craft organization and then we reached out to put a committee together linda walsh representing the selectmen kevin one fellow represent a planning board bill earlier representing water and sewer and dave brown representing public at large being a member of the zoning board in the past and privy to  office as far as i know that's what will be if if a lot of people show up then you know we're going to have to cancel the meeting tomorrow night it's basically just going to be that small group trying to figure out if we need some other member is what i'm goals and objectives are going to be i've already gotten sake statements from folks and i believe that this group is charged with trying to mend some fences and trying to establish the relationship and i think that if the goal is to go backwards and challenge any of our decisions what whether we feel they were right they were wrong and different that's not going to help this committee or help the boards i think what we need to do is stay focused on anyone want to add to that or a little bit behind open meeting law remote participation that was something that came up a year or so ago which allows the board of selectmen make a decision for their other boards if they want to allow members of an elected board to participate from not in not in the room whether it information in order to make an informed decision on the question of remote participation using input from the towns boards and commissions some background in two thousand and eleven the attorney general's regulations nine twenty nine ten permitted remote participation by public entities provided that the regulation is adopted by the chief executive officer which and i cases the board of selectmen as a courtesy the board of selectmen in two thousand and eleven asked town manager kevin pecos to contact boards and commissions to gather information in regards to the desire of the boards and commissions to use this means of conducting meetings when and if the following factors make a member's physical attendance and reasonably difficult a personal illness be personal disability see emergency d military service are geographic distance the acceptable means of remote participation included telephone internet satellite enabled audio of video conferencing or any other technology that enabled the remote participant and all persons present at the meeting location to be clearly audible one another text messaging instant messaging email and web chat without audio would not acceptable methods of remote participation in acceptable procedure for conducting a remote participation meeting was also included in the regulation  input according to the file in regard to this matter kept in this like ms office there were eight email responses conservation commission was split three no three unsure when absent disability committee disability committee said yes school committee was unsure assesses was split two yes one unsure library trustees was split one yes five no water and so was split one yes two no planning vote said yes with concerns in the board a hell said maybe with with only one group that was out right in favor of remote participation the following were concerns presented by the other respondents how good will the technology big can each board develop its own policy possibility of abuse loss of personal interaction logistics costs training record keeping attendance is part of the job would consider a year's trial period reliability and cost of the equipment need for an i t person at every meeting to maintain equipment during the meeting in the associated cost need for video slash audio ability not just audio definition of geographic distance this should be for reach routine meetings only not for posted public hearing and finally can the general public also participate remotely by phone to call in with questions or comments if so who is responsible for the equipment for the public these were the concerns of the of the boards and commissions so i just put it together and the information in this report was compiled for the benefit of the boys like men which as the chief it is chief executive authority will be voting on the question of adopting the regulation to allow remote participation in the town of foxborough the regulation titled nine forty c m i twenty nine ten remote participation is attached to the boys like my received a copy of this report prior to the slightness meeting for review purpose only and not for the purpose of pretty meeting discussion among its members which would be a violation of the open meeting well spectrally submitted  so it's been kicking around for a while but up for discussion my only thought is it sounds like it's too hard to get a amendment or something that we could make to our open meaning law that disabled folks or you know someone who can't get the meaning because of just disability is must be some kind of an act or something that we could we could get to i think that's those are the only people that i'm really concerned about i'm not concerned about you know people say well i'm on vacation are whatever you know what you know what the job is when you sign up for whatever committee iran so you know anymore discussion it's my thoughts for before we had technology there were provisions far if people were absent from meetings you had associate members on who could who could fill in for the absent member regular member and also my feeling is you know attendance part of the job if you feel that you because of business vacation you travel that you won't be able to attend the meetings then you shouldn't run for the board and there are other positions and committees or something in town that attendance is less critical because of the number of participants so i would tend to vote against  patient i'll be voting against it also i think the personal interaction is critical as we deal with these issues it's good to be able to talk face to face i think the dynamic sitting in this room is very different from the dynamic that one observes when you're watching this from home and so i would not want to give that up and james one more thing whenever something really critical coming up with any more discussion does kevin are you going to answer me about that about the op just to know if you if there were a member of any board committee or commission in the town who for whatever reason had a disability and was not able to fully participate laura actually requires us to make full accommodation for them anyways so that they can participate directly in the meeting not remotely i would actually be present at the meeting so that would include things  said about body language and i'm i'm huge on that so i wasn't really in favor of it but i just wanted to see that it protected not people that were going on vacation or whatever but people with disabilities that you know i mean  i got used to you know tell me about it a lot like that and it's difficult then to get you know in the air is going to kind of wait for some to open the door every you know things like that so if you know we had folks like that that's that's the to know that you know also if it's some point a board committee or commission member were to once they were already in office were to find themselves through accident or injury to be in a condition where they couldn't physically attend the meeting and we couldn't you forget to look out to the on this is there anyone in the audience that wanted to add anything on this particular topic very all those in favor to not accept that the new state provisions what this is about is a few years ago came up with a list of goals and objectives and these are important because it it guides our work on guiding the town but it also is a measuring stick for kevin performance basically these are marching orders and these are goals that we work with them to perform and at the end of the year we go back to revisit performance review so it asked lorraine or elaine lorraine volunteered to pull everybody's goals and objectives new ones or taking ones off the list from last year and then kind of combining it and then also prioritizing it so lorraine you want to talk a little bit  handout that you have you'll see there are a few of these are highlighted as a start starting point for the review kevin took a look at these and there's one that's highlighted darker than the others on your copy comply with contract terms town manager finance director establish annual goals performance reviews the dark highlight is representing a goal that involves the town manager directly the next highlighted ones the lighter highlighted highlighted ones are combination or are just board of selectmen only and then all the others i'm sorry the dark one was town manager and borders like me the lighter highlighted ones were just board of selectmen and all the other listed ones kevin had thought that they really do pertain to his area of writ of accountability so everyone went through and you know submitted their goals and objectives for the year and with the rankings one through five five being the highest priority one being lowest priority so putting all the rankings in order we've come up with this order of focus so the top goals and objectives involve working with water and sewer and others to develop an effective sewer strategy expanding the program supporting water and sewer efforts to maximize revenue productivity from signage ridwan so essentially those came out at the top of the list and really again support the focus of the master planning process that's going on  efforts with the with the ad hoc committee whole department heads responsible for employee actions i thought perhaps we could have a little discussion about each of these i think this was one mark that you may have submitted for department heads that ring a bell to you get to be a great man always told me if you can find the goodness in an ploy to what he's good at and he feels a boss that's what i mean when you need to put people's abilities and put them out there if you have the palm and find the best abilities and using them to the best advantage for the town in an apartment don't put him as something they can feel that because you know they can feel at it or you just don't realize they can feel that it everybody has you know responsibility and that's why i'm saying that you know it's very easy to spend a little time and work hard at that i thought one the best things  and i'll probably said i was very skeptical lot it was when kevin brought the water and sewer department together with the public you know the highway very skeptical but then it was kind of a great thing that he he made that team work because he saw that way we need to lean engineer i've got bob swanson here so when to bring him from he had it here roger saw that too he was a guy i had recognize it so good managers find good people what they need to be doing that will not be me dying and so then in the cat coming under the category of time manager and you would continue working on that like as you hire that human resources director yeah that's true as mark says you know the hallmark of a manager is managing people resources and that's what a manager is so we all agreed clearly from the ratings that this is one of the most important things for me to be doing with the department heads  department heads to be doing with their people where it gets a little tricky is this i do occasionally it's not a pleasant part of the job but it's a necessary one you hear me give a lot of praise to department heads you don't hear me be critical of them and that's because i don't ever do that in public but i assure you want me to do it occasionally sometimes formally sometimes inform the tricky part is i can't tell you about that because the charter prohibits the chart a click creates a strong manager i call the charter because who creates a clear prohibition between the board getting involved in the day to day stuff including employee discipline and what not in the manager's role to do it so a lot of times you don't know when i'm holding people accountable because i can tell you i've done this because they did that so i don't know how to fix that i don't know how i i don't know how i can communicate to you because there's two sides of the coin in holding people accountable that's giving them praise at their due and good narrative use and it's through litigation but in the normal course of events you know i can't share that with you so the little bit of tension there and i don't know how to resolve that particular thing i thought i don't have an easy solution for that i thought kevin that and this is the way it was handled before things do change that if this is a disciplinary action taken against an employee and you can devise as an executive section not share with the public yeah point in time told me i'm absolutely forbidden because the open meeting law says that if we're going to talk about an employee we have to advise them of their right to counsel we have to advise them to have that discussion about them he looked for in private their choice and frankly were ride to notify you that i've for instance given a new department had a written reprimand the only way i can do that is to go through the open meeting law which you're under i'm not a number you're out of the open made a lot not so you'd have to give the employee always procedure right so his with his way it would fold out we'd be sitting here with employees sitting hearing and it's that's why labor council says can't do that because i have to have that evidence rehearing in order to determine did they do something wrong and to decide on the punishment so i've already done that in private in that i protected that employee any public knowledge which is their right there they have a right to a confidential evaluation so there doesn't seem to be any way to notify the bo so i can't so i do you know we haven't been able to come up with any way that i can share that with you i will tell you i do it all the time i mean it's it's not zero isolated event it happens all the time never the town manager is the only authority that can dismiss or suspended employee other than a civil service employee where the chief has some lights so i end up doing that for all employees other than reprimands where the department heads him a lot so because we've got two hundred plus employees yeah i do a fair amount of that sort of stuff but i can't tell you want to do all i can say is i'm doing it all the time iraq question need to change your abolish that was one that i had volunteered to follow up on have the name of the town contact info for the town manager form a town measure brookline and also an attorney who specializes in labor can i make a suggestion just to make streamline list for you here's what i hoped you would do tonight agree that the ones in yellow are in fact the boards tell me if there's something in particular you want me to do to support you in that i mean obviously i just do whatever it is you need doing but if there's something you know material that you want to see appear in my goals and let me know and then once you tell me about the yellow ones then what i would do is i would take all the rest and i would put some steps of the words get a little more meat on the bones here these are the bones now i'm going to take the couple of weeks but i'll give you back some meat on the bones and then you can look at that i think you'd probably have a little better discussion because rather than you sit here and go through all these one by want to talk i think i got a pretty good idea what you want because most of these have been around for a while and i can give you some steps that gives you more so and you can basically look at say kept you up to get that one nailed or hey this one over here we want to see a little bit different because you save you some time can i make a suggestion  use another topic that kind of the umbrella of this you started to do time in israel how to manage your reports monthly and then felt fall behind in january february can you do a time images report for the end of august that includes these items and yes you have to be detail but at least everything's out we can look at it be on the website and that way the town understands what you're going to be doing over the next year here's what lauren and i talked about because i frankly after some help because that time energy report that i did it's a great idea but it's unrealistic you know i started writing it was when you first hired me because you know the first couple months for a new job we kind of wander around going you know what to do say a lot of time on your hands well  doesn't happen anymore in order for me to write that report for you which is probably the shortest want to be three pages long as might be five i actually have to take an entire day and sit down with my calendar from the prior month go through all the different things update and frankly what ends up happening is i don't i don't ever find the day to do that because i can spend a day running a reporter i can spend a day getting more work done do for of events that aren't really in the goals like the new things are happening because that happens i have a comment section below where i put down some notes about things that aren't in the goals but that i want to be aware of that's one idea the other idea something that i've done in a couple of towns that were pretty good and jim you've kind of picked up on it when you became chairman you put your chairman's report well i've very often done a tell manager report white on the agenda now that report because it's every other week is much briefer and what i do is i just puts could be in this format again and i would give it to you and then it would actually be in a generator and it would be the board's opportunity to ask about things and say ok care by see you did this this month tell us more about that whatever it is you want to ask that way the board is getting more information i'm getting it done in a timely manner because if it's putting it on his form i can do it fast and you're also communicating to the public what it is their manager to my opportunity to present a talk more which you don't need me doing  so so are you ok with the yellow ones being really the board's goals as opposed to mine per se because prince is the better understanding the strong manager and i would be uncomfortable right trying to extoll the virtues of maria we're better served by bringing in folks from the outside and i think that's what we had decided that it was going to be outside of life so that's not really my goal that's really your goal and if you look at the rest i think you'll see that there are things that you talked about you want to do is oppose the things you want me to do for you that's of the distinction i tried to arrive at in the green one i'm sorry i can't read it i was able at last comply with contract terms to manage our finance director stablish annual goals and performance review so that was a joint sure yeah yeah that that the reason that's both is because you do my review i do the department head reviews so it's a shared responsibility but that would get expressed in the in the sub parts to it the steps or whatever i think they really sense so do you want to maybe look at these and consider if there are any that anyone wants to volunteer for in the yellow or in the highlighted not the dark color like the lighter highlighted color there maybe we can so so why would you say i would take the yellow ones off take all the others and you think that something a couple weeks is more detail and then maybe the board will decide what it wants to do with the other ones because the complete with a reorganizational chart and some back up information from roger hill on the organization  for being patient really behind schedule i appreciate that so this is a memo to kevin from rogers so he wants to present it i can do it which one of the first goals and objectives that were set down for me when i came on board was to come up with a way to reorganize to disperse disparate departments into one they created d p w and now that i've been here eight months and had a chance to get my feet on the ground and work on what i needed to work on that i have come up with with a plan to do it i presented it to the water and sewer commission about a month ago and they liked it and they voted unanimously to support it and that i after i got that done i presided kevan there's one there's a few little things that remain to be done after work finished but fundamentally the plan that you see in the table of organization that you see is what i came up with that i believe works best for the town of foxborough at the present time that doesn't mean it stays that way forever things can change priorities change but right now we've got some serious priorities and some areas that require like really intense work to be done and i've kind of made slots in that and that to you know to be able to accomplish those things so that's pretty much that the package skeptical at the beginning because of the integrity of the water system which was a little different than what we envisioned and it sounds like everything came together and you guys are very excited about this actually i don't think we were skeptical the beginning i think we we were have been always in favor and i'm not putting it together but not skeptical of where was the water going to be in the picture that's what i'm saying i'm saying this is a good boy let's not talk about the history of we are happy with yeah ok yes  that i know my own point of view i was somewhat skeptical about the original organisation as it was immediately propose did not per se have a water operations manager was superintending and and i think even just driving around town seeing the the work that people are doing that typically you wouldn't expect them to be doing because it was a different department you know my life going up and down pace and in north st and all that stuff  seems like everyone has come together in a some really neat economic concise things happening because of this reorganization are a little behind right now but that's because the chapter nineteen money hasn't come through yet from the state and i'm just setting up the p m s now i work solution and as far as i get that done i'm going to set up priorities for the river road so i'll be back in front of you probably in mid to late august to explain another i think it's really exciting opportunity to do something great but you know i let the board decide at that time given so although this is not exactly what we had originally proposed i think what's happened is with the missing ingredient hired in that's the d p w director and roger having had time to work and sort of figure out what he wanted to see for real and you know work with a water sewer commission on the component that they have direct input what's happened all of the time now is that they've all agreed by consensus and i certainly support it to present this as the final plan and like i say it's a little different than what we originally envisioned but on the other hand as mark was mentioning earlier tonight i think what has been produced has been a very very strong for good as asian it's a really terrific management team they've got down there and i think we've got the the build out now for future expansion and produce really good work and save the taxpayers a lot of money the having said that and thank you to roger for doing a terrific job putting this all together and thank you to the water so a commission who have been bill said from the get go back in two thousand and ten  have been outstanding partners in trying to figure out how to make this happen and work in a way that was everybody would embrace so they charter requires that the manager forward to the board any real  on this case it's a combined hybrid effort so i guess we're all collectively indorsing this to your attention for the real good as ation to happen two things need to occur first you must adopt amend or reject assuming you adopt that with or without amendment then the next stage that has to go to tell meeting for approval with a formal charter change so it's a two step process one can happen here tonight the other doesn't happen until the next available town meeting so now it's before you and the two boards of actually voted reorders before so we're kind of shelving knows this is a new one and this is the final one i think the overall director of public works exactly and i asked him and i couldn't find it we had like a budget that we presented of what the cost savings was go me because of that i think that it it's going to be a point at some point to show us more important for the public to see you know what the final will be as far as class savings and maybe it's not all class a means maybe it's skills and time and things like that so if there's some way that we can come up with a diagram  something or that's easy enough we can you know what i'm saying my dad i think i think you'll see that because very shortly we're going to start working on the twenty thirteen and your budget and you know it'll it'll show  quite a bit there's some other things that won't show because they haven't happened yet but you know they are on the horizon and if we pull them off it's really got i mean some substantial say we've already shared t take his whole administrative staff and managers and put a moment place then you'll see the final fruition of you know merging the staff and shedding some positions by making people more productive frankly you know where that might be in the sixty or seventy thousand dollars savings range that really is small potatoes compared to what this is going to do as roger points out on a memo any area of large scale coordination you know a right now road projects want to projects or projects they're all getting coordinated now this is the first time they've been really completely thought really integrated roger guess is pavan management system and it gets all the g i s overlays in place that they're working on everything's going to be and they're so would never ever ever have a situation where we duplicate money or effort without proper coordination that won't happen again and that's going to be a major step forward which will produce savings in the huge levels hard to say exactly what because what we're saying is we're not going to make those mistakes anymore so it's kind of it's a it's sort of like saying here's a mistake we didn't ma because we're not going to make those mistakes exactly that in order to convince them why we want to do this and it'll will depend heavily on the support of the water so a commission board of selectmen and ultimately outcome as well in order to you know have town meeting in dorset and say you all say it's a good thing must be a good thing i might say it's it it's kind of difficult to look for seven and a half million dollars to build that i am a and so you're going to save a whole bunch of money because there are things that that mean a lot to the future of the town that they have to decide i can't decide those things for the town let's get the town has to decide those things for the there you go but there are some things that we can really point to already if you read the whole memo you'll see bob swanson moved over to a different set of responsibilities captures the essence of his abilities rather than trying to put him into something that didn't save the town a ton of money and another one would be when i bring in the p i'm going to propose something that probably has never been proposed to the town before and that we can do with the meals money to bring our road service reading in the ninety's so that all we have to do in the future is maintain and that with that tantalizing tidbit will reveal any more no more until it's ready yeah you need a formal motion recorded in the minutes to adopt a plan as presented and then this document would actually get attached to the minutes in just so i'm clear so once we get through that then it starts the process it's  go through advisory committee gets a form of warrant language in a town meeting votes for that  authority that actually implement this because right now what a sort of commission is the point to authority and that's that's the big shift we've got to make it so that they actually work for the director as opposed to right now it's kind of an informal anything away from the water and so are you know they remain they go from being the appointing of already for the people for the employees but they remain the policy board with respect what a sort of policy they are in essence they become with respect to water policy the same as you are i mean the relationship is a got a couple right now one of the charter they're actually appointing authority for employees although they very graciously of pretty much essentially has the authority and that's the way we work it with all the partners but that's only by cooperation that's not as a matter of actually tried it right and that's the final step to give the director of the real authority that he needs and i apologize if i missed this but did you you did your boat your board vote for this yet you already did and that's done ok has actually task me to do it was in my goals last year we agreed to the leader because there just wasn't time to do it but i think roger and i have had a discussion and we certainly agree we've got to multi tens of millions hundreds of millions dollars in taxpayer investment in our public buildings and we don't have anybody managing them i mean in the private sector absolutely unheard of but public sector it's a common mistake so having a building maintenance division under the director is something that i think you can well like to say you've task me to explore that and we will be doing that but that's a change that would come technology things like that rather than you know adding employees that's specially true in the water and sewer field because where we're changing technology really real fast in that area and that means that is the employees may shift to other types of duties that that i just as necessary and not getting done but now they will a good example would be you know we've gone through a major major upgrade program in the system once that's done that's going to free up employees and there's lots of a c pipe and that system that needs to be replaced and that's another duty that can be undertaken at that time and there is there's a lot of those examples but i don't i won't go into all of them but at some time we can probably have a full discussion of the so burdened with daily reports and everything else that we have to do that that it's never going to be able to be a multiple duty position comment so is there a motion regarding acceptance move forward with the reorganization into the d p w motion to prove the reorganization of the d leave helping out that office and going back that's difficult for both the highway side for our side doesn't do with much at all we've discussed many times and i know you folks have struggled with what to do about the town hall here i personally hate to see us move out of town hall or more away from the town hall environment from a citizen's perspective from a from the d p w perspective i don't care for located down the w building down the street that's fine but but that's basically what we're talking about doing destructing a building down there were exploring that option right now that my fellow board members are more practical about this than i am they're ready to move ahead with that exploration i'm reluctantly dragged a lot because i'd like to see us stay with ok i know you folks struggle with the issue and we just like to you that you know think i've had my might my vote speak but i think it's an important issue that we we all need to work and whether we stay with the town hall for the sake of townspeople on the move to a different location i think is one that's that's going to perhaps have a solution that gets him close because we have to spend some money and do something to help the v p w get more efficient if the town hall doesn't want to have some some solution for the town whether it's a to space somewhere else or whatever yeah i can agree with him on a given other example i met with kevin in our new town council and he suggested having town council office hours which was a great idea where people c come in but the fact that and so that's that's why i got squished because then you're talking about coming into here leaving and we don't even have an extra desk so that that issue is going to come to a head sooner than later need thirty seconds that it is my thirty seconds i would welcome your participation collective bargaining but it's in the category of be careful what you wish for you can come and i'll even give you the exact dran for this headache that you're sure to get because i think of the wonderful education for the board to see just how difficult that is i just would propose the following  considerations for you it can only be one board member in any given negotiation there are four negotiations that will start as one police going on right now we've had a couple meetings because they're working two weeks now without a contract or contract expiring thirty fire is good through next year we'll open that one soon libraries go through next year will open its own and  w is good through next year we'll open that soon so all of them will probably start after labor day i don't think we'll do it in the summer so what i would suggest is one of you if you want sort of on those bargaining bargaining sessions and i can't change that because you know they're done by the bargaining teams and the professionals and they have to be doing a work day that's that's the requirement so i can change that and we can schedule what we do is we schedule it and then everybody shows up and then once we're in one then everybody pulls out their schedules always go to the next one but in order to get your plug then i can't i can't coordinate your schedule because you know to the extent it's already process i think it's something that the human resources director the town manager the finance officer those are the frontline bargainers in most situations that i've encountered and i think you know for us to be removed one step so that we can you know as as a group discuss what is being brought to us by those face to face people i think one of us participating we would be dragged in to a motion the difficult negotiation process that these things are and i just have a reservation that i i'm not sure that that's really in terms of the outcome of the negotiation i feel like maybe we would do better to be working in a guidance role to the negotiators as opposed to actively partake participating in that process where you're make a valid point because if a board member disappears they have to participate as an observer they cannot be they can't begin to highlight right there no dialogue they can express their personal opinion because here's the problem if one of you comes into those meetings and expresses your personal opinion about a negotiating and that opinion doesn't reflect the majority well the board you're now can't influence influencing a negotiation in a totally inappropriate way which is why i come to you before i start negotiating and say what your goals we want done we bring in you know the department head the chief we have a discussion and then i give you periodic updates and then it women has to come back to you for adoption at the end where you get to determine conversations we've had these discussions and i think sometimes we by not seeing the finer points of negotiation may not recognize until too late in the process that there is cern that gets raised after the fact and you know so maybe if there was just a more organized approach in terms of how we do that as you have been as an observer i mean you'd be able to capture that get involved in all the benefit to observing to me and i think to the board is that he gives the board you know sometimes when i come back to you with a package you know you might have a tendency it is perfectly understandable to say what he already of mind but if you see were started and you see what we accomplished at the end there's a whole lot more appreciation for just how hard this is particularly because nightmare and then i started to think about it i talked to leo and i said no i think this would be not a bad idea i'll predict for you that after however many of you want or interested after you do it once you want  to do it again when i say do it i mean go through a whole bargaining session i mean a contract which might be five meetings it might be twenty meetings because i'm going to tell you it's it's it's of all the things i do is the one that gives me the headache fastest of all and pretty much any time manager will tell you that it's tense it's it's very hard and it's just it's the hardest thing we do i think so i think you'll have but i think it's good for the board unions got to agree to this so i have to agree to who they bring in they've got to agree why bring it so i've discussed it with a couple of by going to units let me just say they were a little cool to the idea but on the other but like i say provided us with those conditions i welcome it i think you'd be great to have a couple of you there saying just how tough this is i think you look at it as like when you're on the advisory committee you  i think one of the benefits is at the end after the process is gone back and forth whether it's one meeting attend meetings when we're sitting at the table and there's a disagreement that the board of selectmen sees how far or how narrow that disagreement is because we have context here if we're not there we're listening to you and then we're listening to the other leader in we're taking your word and not taking your word or second guessing that kind of gets a limited when we can hear it directly but i think it is now you're really talking crazy just lost the vote on this one but he's right i don't i don't think we need to do a formal vote on that but is that the direction that the board wants to go in i don't think we have to sta have somebody to want to go with us to warn you if you could just give me a call drum email whatever let me know which areas you're interested in then you know hopefully it's not everybody wants to do the same one but if you could just let me know and then several meeting minutes june twenty sixth twenty eighth in july yeah i know the q twenty six meeting minutes first think paragraph seven lines up the second paragraph sentence where it says lorraine felt like the borders penalizing a person for a decision that had already been made i would just on the front page on page one from july the second paragraph up from the bottom like turn there would be a joint meeting with the school july tenth meeting minutes walking the it was it was well like after the fact yes i i pledge to every single color i couldn't change it because it was just a few days before but it will not happen again no road race will block both lanes ever again and if we can't figure out a way to not do that then i'm going to recommend you not approve the road race it simply is not responsible conduct to tell people they can't get into their elected by election workers to the one year term expiring obvious thirtieth two thousand and thirteen i move that we appoint the election workers for one for a one year term expiring on august thirty everybody we had gone back and forth a couple times on comments i just i think it's important just to read some of the highlights this is a contract for the element in your brow l l c basically  know we did ask them to increase his malpractise insurance up to three million dollars which he did in this letter we did have a discussion that we do have a policy on where his time is spent and he acknowledges in this letter that he will get prior authorization before he spends any time on any of the items in accordance with our policy  also acknowledges that he does work for a board of five people and sometimes it's made a long discussion on this it's it's we're elected we're going to ask questions he is going to entertain discussing things with us he's not going to bill it to us unless it's so if jenny calls up and has need some advice or talks to him about an issue or a concern he's going to do it as under his contract but not charge us he's not going to take direction from any of the selectmen other than what's in accordance to our policy so we a lot of good discussion on that this the duration of this agreement yes and it's at the sole discretion of the board but we but it is what we did what we put in the r f p was a minimum of three consecutive one year terms so that's written down here and then something so so we went back and forth he signed it doesn't require our signature on the drug a manager's act kevin signs it but the start date would be august first and before he starts he is or has been reaching out to are asked how counsel to get up to speed on some of the issues and he was already up to speed on a lot of stuff he took on the happenings of fox so i was very comfortable at that meeting that he's already getting some good working knowledge and then one of the one of the thing nothing to do with this car but i know going into this the discussion in march brought it up initially do we send out our fee for the town that's always a comparable why is somebody asking you know happy at some point i think it would be serve the board well if we talked about that for three years where this contract is it is up in three years maybe that make that a policy that we renewed or entertain discussing for an hour for a council that way it's not on the shoulders of members of the conservation commission with their i went from a town clerk my recruitments was there and it was very nice we met the family i'd never met mrs richie before it was just a very nice very nice memorial service and i don't know with people who understand the role that dave played as the conservation commissioner when he during his tenure that was when the town purchased a lot of the conservation