morning army place a court sponsor i believe the legal issue is relatively narrow but perhaps a little background might help court in analyzing some of the various references that are made up the common law record and transcript two thousand and five states on my fourth career path i approached judge pacing and indicated to him that i would be willing and anxious to accept court appointed cases and for county much as i did with tom the finest champagne county in the central district of illinois federal service i also told judge pacey to give me the worst that he could find because i felt like i needed to challenge change with judge pacing concerning his motion substitute on parker's case at that time he had that case pending with me appointed to represent him he goes to various hearings and to me i think that was most likely the site back so mr wood where is shows up at the hospital says i'm the father here this is the shelter here hearing the mother just pausing right there including sap who showed up is that later counsel this is the record contain any reason why why they failed to say by the way you know there's this guy up there who showed up he says he's the father the mother says he's the father is the father of the second kid of these cases but we're not going to amend the pleadings to show him his  we're going to identify for her for was the father of the struck zero any indication he would be in it exactly and if the father turns out to come in and say what are you talking about this kid a not include him at various points he tries to engage just a little bit and judge basic caution simmons says you're an interested party you're interested in the visual picture not are so here's this guy showed up and says he wants to except for this point this is the state clearly had multiple occasions and multiple times could have ensured of included mr wood but as i say have never seen anything like this i think the military eighteen months later when this issue comes up seeking to terminate his parental rights is without a remedy the way nothing stopped him from filing a motion for guy technically a part of it i this is a pretty important matter you know he thought he was a party with the d n a from a suspect but as you know this is pretty basic stuff here only a party as a result of pleading suggests even more  when i was a point because terminations so absolute it much more important than a misdemeanor criminal case which has more rights in that than this but this court carve out the standard in this else it's a technical matter it's i i can see that all this is very strange but nonetheless i don't you know we've gone over this record rather more than i would like i don't think there was a second motion substitute judge when the motion for or the terminations petition finally naming your client finally making him a party appeared so that your he might have a hell of an argument if he were a purdy but if he's not a party candidate said that everything there after it was forty whe a reasonable efforts or progress have the child returned i mean this is a good point but there was another cow that had nothing to do with that they way there was a count of the terminations to ship alleging he was based upon his criminal record and so forth that count which the court file in which you're not challenging of appeal has nothing to do with whether he judge on the substitution motion i believe i have that my file and i'd like to make reference to but in terms of what you just asked at some point in this parkinson dismisses one of his the record so i think you know if it's it seems to me like he was in a party and to you if there's no later motion for substitution of judge motions terminate parental rights respond father pursued to seven thirty five miles yes to slash today six fifty i found a motion to dismiss based on the improper denial of a motion for substitution of judge we've seen it where is the motion for substitution of judge i would think that this motion in this form basically say that the fire proceedings are not particularly good what i said earlier that judge bases evidence is so reliant want to be clear this my earlier point was no second or independent motion of substitution of judge filed by your client or you on his behalf in determination seating here word stead relying upon the earlier work he had seen i maybe it was unclear but you seem to indicate that that wasn't the case a second s o g motion was file i don't think we need to avoid this precedent because it's said i don't think we've seen anything like this i hope never to again well it's been a pleasure right unless i have any more questions