welcome everyone to tonight's like we're meeting in the remind you if you hadn't already please do sign in i think i've seen every one of you do it so thank you and if you have a cell phone with you if you could put it to silence that would be greatly appreciated thank you very much here and that would be probably the public to be heard here in just the instructions or that was also an email sent out about place big there will be getting to it later on in the evening but there is a component of police speak that is a geo locator that limits your ability to post from outside the essex area so we'll get into that a little later ok and is that all so do i have a motion to amend the agenda to add the information on place to speak and the information from steps bt on our agenda thank you mike by zero thank you all next item is public to be heard this is a time for the public to speak to the slug board on topics that are not on the gender is there anyone here tonight wishing to speak during public to be heard and going to go to gal first yes you can get to the mike if you'd like it's along here as i'm here we also have our also addressing the city of burlington tonight at the same time both burlington and essex towne and essex junction are our biggest service users last year we had approximately one hundred eighty three people we served claimed by essex as their home town not everybody wants to identify where they come from  in our eaton city so we're where reaching out to the towns that we serve the the most for some additional funding the reason is that in the past we've always been funded by the you know united way and they would fund us in three year cycles for this next three year cycle two thousand and two thousand and nineteen twenty and twenty one we asked for one hundred twenty want to get our message out and and we let everybody know what's going on that we are going to have to make these could make a lot of cuts for eliminating for positions we're going to be cutting back on the shelter  things like snacks for children's playgroups we don't have money for an extra food for the shelter we've had to take off the shelter manager for the weekends just making drastic drastic cuts  we're also as a board doing strategic planning so we're not in this position moving forward we're also on also just from a safety standpoint standpoint we don't want to stop our education and our outreach to the again we're reaching out to assets where we are very grateful for the money you've given us in the past the donation i think it's been about forty five hundred dollars greatly appreciated greatly needed we're asking for a one time additional thousand dollars for the two thousand and eighteen two thousand and nineteen our budget so that it could take a little bit of pressure off and maybe with that money we could get we could do a little bit more and just say you know i'm almost it eighty percent of every dollar that we get goes directly back into services or our staff were not doing any staffer it raises when i'm increasing medical you know our medical cost step up and help help us in this time of in this time of crisis and we will continue to serve the essex population both the junction and the town and  thank you i guess is what i want to say thank you for listening you know thank you for coming in we're sorry to hear that that your budget was cut by the my that's about ten percent of it is about ten percent  timing is not ideal because we just wrapped up that portion we the good people of essex have said they want to percent of the one percent of the budget to go out to human service groups such as yours and we just went through that process and we weren't able to fully fund all of them that requested so that there's no funds left over from that particular budget this time but what's what's the board well this is not is not just if you want to sign the next agenda we certainly can do that and you should have some direction to stop as to what you may want on the agenda and what type of information you  need if you're of a mind actually put us on the next agenda is if if if we do rearrange that budget that we just approved for that one percent then somebody is going to go without and it's going to get reduced elaine i would like to request that we do put this on the agenda and i would like to request a conversation about other sources of funding for a request of one thousand dollars i'm fairly certain that could be found as long as the rest of the board was willing to do that i consider this a public safety issue and similar way that we look at our even so what about the other groups that are impacted in the similar way but haven't showed up here i mean that's something we might want to know is how many of those are potentially i would say that it wouldn't surprise me if other groups came back from what i understand the united way situation primarily affected burlington entities and so if other groups come back to us because the united way cut their funding you know i would want to be sure that they served essex i don't know that anybody else that received united way funding serves us six we're putting a lot of time and effort into other safety issues this is equally important for that on a future gena and sounds like sooner the better and it just a clarification is this is the last meeting of the current fiscal year if we move into july july meeting we're in if way nineteen right so are we talking eighteen dollars or one thousand dollars i guess would be the question i think and i think we write and write and say i'm i'm assuming that once we're past eight you know june thirtieth we're either talking funny balance or new year dollars so i just just to make sure that i'm understanding that right out of the other or yeah and something from the society and i think this is a much more important public safety issue i agree it's a public safety issue it's a larger public safety issue than our gun ordinance we're spending a lot of time and money on as well so i think i'm very much in favor of fully funding this and we can have the discussion later regarding other entities that may be impacted i'm sure there are there assess what they can do what you know what changes they need to make to live through that also they have if you look at their annual report they have a lot more cash buffer than this organization does as those  sounds like we're going to need to review this at the next you have a a request to put it on the agenda i don't know if you've got it you think you've got a second i think any any one of us could ask for it to be on the agenda without and when this meeting is going to be and all i was going to say is andy took the words out of my mouth or at the end of this fiscal year it seemed to me that  that we if we looked hard enough we might be able to scrape together a grand from two thousand and eighteen funds to make this happen and have to put it on a future we have got to have you to sit down with finance to do some things i think one of the things we'd also like to find out in the two weeks is what agencies were not funded or reduced  and if we go and do a process where we're thinking we're talking about a thousand dollars and in the next two months we're actually talking about ott more than that we're going to not want to play you know we're going to want to know what we have available for it ok thank you thank you very much i just want to say that you know we do serve directly essex town and junction so we practice here is any time there's a member of a board committee or commission that's up for reappointment we invite them in to talk to the select board to let us know what's on their mind how things are going what things you think  should know about that perhaps we don't haven't heard about so what i'd like to do is invite christine and and dan together up to the table to to talk about the conservation you're both up for reappointment and we'd like to hear from both of you on your opinions on how things are going in and what things you think we should know about that perhaps we don't so who would like to go first ok mostly things are going very well there that notable exception in my opinion is something i've been asked to keep as my personal opinion rather than as trails conservation committee member item is  the forest management plan and i regard it as a very potentially immense mistake and i will speak to that more when my turn comes on that so i've been i've been really happy that it's been a very kind of hands on it's not just an honorarium and have had really enjoyed getting getting deeply involved so i service vice chair the town since one nine hundred seventy eight and working having a couple of businesses and having a full time job and traveling for it and not having a whole lot of time once i decided to work for myself it was i thought you know i've lived here for so long it's about time that i get involved so this was a great match wonderful way to get involved in the super thank you christine and thank you both for for billing for being willing to there's the conservation entrance committee also look at the tree population in the town in general or is it just trails and forests a couple of years ago we did an urban tree survey which i believe is also on the agenda tonight and the members of the committee as well as volunteers and university students all went out to a g p s systems and after some training to perfect you know kind of a perfect meshing you know it was about time that we did we did ours but they they were there were things they learned and it was very helpful so so yes  know which has the tree committee right and the right like what committee so that like walk takes care of trails the tree really is strictly street trees so there's certainly overlap but ok great in  day this past year was actually on earth day but usually around earth day just before green up day yes yes so every weekend you can be busy doing something so if the board decides to go into executive session we will then have a discussion about re appointments exit make a decision then somebody from the manager's office will contact you tomorrow but we do deeply appreciate all you do for our community by volunteering so many hours on behalf of the community so thank you for that thank you for all your support say thanks to you as well volunteer inc and i am one of the thank the board for electing me the first time to the newly energized energy committee yeah that's true  from what i gather i'm new on the job one year were new to the community a little over one year it's very nice to see a community that actually does something where it came from previously there was a lot of words a lot of money but very little accomplished so you know what you tell us how things are going now what do you think we should know about well in the past year the committee was for i was one of the last elected it got pretty well organized and focused and one of the questions was is how do we use our more time or most effectively and what really are we going to try to accomplish and one of those as previously mentioned by the other committee is awareness trying to get more public awareness of energy conservation  and renewable energy the parade's the turns out that a lot of things came together this past year a little faster than was thought it was going to happen there with other communities to share in that generation and and not take the economic risks as much and the other thing is promotion of five or six years you're going to find it hard to find the gas engine card on sale and i mean that sounds a little ridiculous but not according to the major auto industry they've made  commitment to hybrids and electric vehicles and awareness by the community and what does that mean trying to promote i personally i think we need a more promotion at the same time commercial aspects of pushing solar state are having funding problems the federal government has withdrawn a lot of money in this area have plans to and states can't support it all alone so it's going to be tough decisions and how do we benefit as much as we can and then there's some passive methods amount of energy right now and if you want to renovate the building what's the best way to do that for the dollar and try to minimize your total energy use so there's different aspects of energy commercial residential and municipal when you did the i understand when you did the police station and they had it on to that with all the in corporations your actual yearly electric bill on the entire plane went down considerably which is the way you should be thinking and i know that i came to the first  meeting you had on the twenty five year plan and one of the now you've had a few meetings on that one of the things that was missing out of the initial point was how to incorporate energy conservation into the the plan sometimes that can affect your decisions and you know it's very complicated obviously you want to keep the view you want to not create  hazards you want to not create it too much urbanization but you need housing in residential and whatever and you've got to support the economic growth of the community but you have to  smartly and that's why you have a plan that's why you try to develop but you've got to make sure that it incorporates all the things you need and i really enjoyed the apple you know i'm an engineer by trade and i really enjoyed applying to thank you very much yeah so thank you for coming in tonight and again we really appreciate putting in volunteering your time for our community on the in energy committee and you heard about the executive session ok if he doesn't come in then well we'll talk with them ok right then we're going to move on to our next item of business which is five b that's good evening so we recently adopted a new tax policy because we saw those numbers and said we needed to do something you want to do something consistent you propose something that  we looked at and tweaked a little bit and so now we'll hear how it's going over all i think is going really well and i was actually just in a randolph at the annual meeting of the vermont government finance officers association and speaking with a couple other communities who were for a life of their term jealous at how clear and concise our policy was and the fact that we had had this conversation and that we were able to come together and agree on some guidelines and we're now implementing them very successfully  i've just passed out some summary delinquent tax trends that compare the current year april the end of april through mid june versus last year with a graph that i couldn't get to do exactly what i wanted but this is pretty close you all read in my memo sort of the narrative of how things have changed since we adopted the policy and sent out the final demand letters from the town we originally sent out thirty four letters to delinquent taxpayers totaling about six hundred seventy thousand dollars which was just shy of seventy percent of the total delinquencies at that time and as of june first on the list was handed over to the attorney there were only fourteen on that list  parameters one of two parameters which is either ten thousand dollars delinquent in one year or multiple years of delinquencies regardless of the dollar amount the sheet that i just handed out to you is all delinquencies and i am really excited about what th us i'd like to start with i'm really excited about numbers and also i guess those not hard but i'd like to start with the beginning figures which in the bar graph which is probably the easiest to look at the first bar that i put in there was a mid april  thousand and seventeen and as you can see we were about three hundred thousand dollars higher in delinquencies in the current year than we were last year the same time now there are i don't want to jump to any really obvious conclusions i wasn't here last year this time so it's very possible that we sent our routine delinquent notice a little earlier and so it started to get some payment in the help payments and ahead of this time this year i can tell you that we sent out our first our quarterly delinquent notice mid april and then we sent out the demand letter at the beginning of may and as you can see there was a significant drop from april fifteenth to may fifteenth which which crosses the time period where we sent out those two notices looking at these beginning balances i can think of three accounts that make up about one hundred fifty thousand dollars of the difference accounts that were delinquent last year that were still delinquent this year in that their taxes were so much that they really contributed to that jump just on their own they are all either paid in full or on a significant payment plan at this at this point so the summary of the right hand corner you can see from where we started the beginning of april to where we are just on friday we brought in over five hundred thousand dollars in delinquent tax payments that's thirty nine percent of the starting delinquent balance and over four percent of our budget taxes that's huge and we're down to six and a half percent delinquencies from where we started just shy of eleven percent another phenomenal change last year at this time even though our dollar amount was slightly lower than it is now we were higher percentage of budget for delinquencies just today and over the weekend we brought in another six thousand four hundred dollars and we're at six point four nine percent delinquencies compared to budget before i take any questions you guys have i want to say that the response to this has been overwhelmingly positive  i haven't had one person angry or frustrated or upset with me which was really surprised that in fact i've had least three people thanking me which was really really surprising i have one account who didn't know they still owned the come it didn't come to their attention except that when we put in that multiple years regardless of the dollar amount they got a letter and so now they are able to to iron out whatever went wrong and i had another account who was three years delinquent about sixty thousand dollars who had been paying property taxes into escrow in the escrow company wasn't remitting them to the table i mean so we taxpayer and i got on a conference call with the  served just to remind not only the board but the people in the audience we offer payment plans absolutely terms are part and through the most part they're paid in full within a year at this point anybody who has been handed over to the attorney will have to make a fifty percent down payment and then a payment plan to pay in full in monthly installments within twelve months up to this point there has been a little bit more flexible twelve to eighteen months everyone has to make at least a monthly payment so it doesn't go too long without knowing whether or not you're going to pay and i have twenty eight accounts clipped to my home wall over there my cubicle and they're all in very good standing everyone pays on the day they said they would pay or in taxes are very interested in the people who haven't read anything feel or i paid mine what is the town doing about the people who didn't pay there so it is an lady gets a future question thank you you're welcome because it with enough time you could do that i think this was going to be sort of a heads up that we're expecting to put stuff no matter how late it comes in on the screen is just an awareness that i think we can raise maybe with all staff for the future and it's not about you it's about everybody and and making sure the audience is able to see what we're seeing thank you actually not a question for us there but scott if you needed to drop in a graphic in your video would it be best if it were a power got it ok so we're members of the board of civil authority and we've seen some people come in who seem to be so far behind that they're not going to be able to get out this new policy though will help prevent people from getting in such absolutely nuts like that if you had a good service can you tell us the forty first of all congratulations this is i think working better than any of us would have guessed for the first time  the fourteen the fourteen people that are still out there any kind of reaction from them tales of woe or oh and just ignoring the letter or the much just ignoring there is one account on there that i've had multiple communications with and are reminders that once it goes to the attorney the deal is half of this very large balance brit let's do something can you bring five thousand dollars an hour six out i mean the balance is sixty thousand other sixty thousand dollar one let's get to come in let's talk let's get some money flowing a good faith effort to bring your account into good standing is all we ask and so that is the only one that i've had communications with that had that didn't com is the right way to go and looks like it's producing the results we hope and beyond so thank you all very much thank you sir ok before we move on to the next item we we didn't finish quite finish five a because justin now it's been good we had sort of in consistencies we had meetings so it's hard to really get a flow together when we have gone sometimes a few months but i think it's been going pretty well we've been digging into some issues sharon is an amazing staff we added dynamic people we've had a bit turnover which is both good and bad you sort of lose the historical you know knowledge in sort of it ends up i'm chair and so it ends up me off and sort of being like two weeks like for the planning commission we are the first thursday of every month but it's tough if we go a few months we get three applications one month and we don't get one for two months and we're seeing each other every quarter so it's i want to make sure people didn't think it was being despoja no no we with the applicants materials and most of your cases are what for the audience generally when there are variations from the zoning regulations so it's a review of what the variance is being requested certain commercial zone so it's about whether that's going to be allowed and so the board sort of reviews the rules reviews the applications hears from the applicants and then judges whether a variance is basically called for at that time usually because of how zoning regulations are planning commission ultimately generally has a sort of event diagram they tend to cover a lot of the same applications in the same sort of issues so but it is really nice to sort of hear directly from applicants really diggin and look at whether a variance might fit in that particular unit and it's in that particular application varies from the zoning ranks exactly yes any questions for a i had three years there before i started doing this i thank you very much and you're right the inconsistency of meetings where you have one night with three applications and then a month or two with nothing you're right that does take some getting used to but appreciate you being willing to step up again great i thought about putting something out in front porch forum asking for have time for to volunteer in our community we appreciate that so you are here to hear what our process is but three appointments you know we invite people in for reported to come in and talk to us to let us know how things are going and then  it's up to the board if we want to go into executive session to discuss the reappointment they would come out and make a decision then somebody from the manager's office would contact you tomorrow but we are  these folks so who would like to posed a motion passes unanimously thank you very much ok now we're going to move on to business item five c which is adoption of the indian broke forest management plan and welcome you were here a while ago and i think to i walked us through the management plan yet we had some feedback for you you know such as outreach and making sure you are talking with the rec department any time something would any work would be done and we've received a tract change your version in there and so once you tell us about the things that you did address since last time you were here yes i think some of things that we wanted to make clear i mean there's a number of sort of little things that you all can see from the document i know that we wanted to make clear costs for things and so that none of these things would be sort of like an unfunded mandate where that money could come from also some clarifying language about deer hunting that i had that's a recommendation that i have been on have any interest in superseding anyone else in terms of dictating what the firearm born is are or anything like that but i did the outcome that i'm looking for in this case is a recognition of the fact that your overpopulation is a real thing and there are other means to control that population so i just sort of put some more information about that some sort of semantic details lake making it clear that certain as i referred to certain things in the measure of planet they are not in the order of priority and then just in general filling in some more information about the things that i was prescribing we also had some other changes so some things came to light about access to the whole the access through brigham health lane we maybe do not have access through brigham hellene in the way that we thought we did and so i had actually so we just figured that out sort of in the last couple days and i'd actually sort of had already sort of put aside and said let's let's actually scale back the harvesting that we're prescribing in this ten year period and in general and push the dates back so we have more time to sort of like if this is going to happen we're going to have time to react to it and people are going to have a chance to sort of get used to it rather than just sort of going for it in a way that could be see to be too intense or you know sort of overwhelming to the community and then we found out that we didn't have access they're bringing their way in anyway so so that's a big change so basically the what is now prescribe this is again the dates have been pushed back but is harvesting primarily to the western portion of the property in the next ten years and that would be over two separate basically entries through the media root access and i think yeah i think that i really appreciated having a time you know we tried to get get the word out to a lot of people about the management plan and lead to public walks we had high school student doing outreach just to let people know that the magic plan existed and they had a chance to read it and comment on it and the conservation trails committee also did a really good job of reaching out to let people know how they could do that and yeah it was nice to sort of take a little bit more time with and think about it and i feel really good about the plan that we have here now to share what the general comments were yeah i mean we honestly did not receive comments sort of in the way that i was hoping that we were going to say i was hoping that we were going to have sort of a substantive body of comments that would say this is how i use indian broke this is how i read how regard these things and we did not have the kind of engagement  wish that we had had but it just gave me a little bit more time to talk to folks in essex and i think that the big takeaway for me is that you know it's very important to me and to my mission in this role to help people understand what responsible for stewar ship is and that's you know the goal of of all of this is protecting forests making sure our forests are healthy and showing people how they can engage with forests in a positive way keep these forests working in a way that's positive and talk about what high quality forest management looks like and you know also recognizing though that this is a sanctuary for people in essex you know this is it this is where a lot of people go and this is very important and personal to them in a way that is not personal to me and so i think just trying to scale back what we're doing and be really responsible to it and think about ahead of time what these outreach components are so people understand it and so it's not confusing or surprising and people have a really good body of knowledge to sort of draw on when they're regarding the work that we're trying to do i think is really important and so that that i think is the most sort of general input that i received was was that feeling and i tried to incorporate that into the minute how i amended the recommendations in the plan you plan a coordinating work activity with a record department yes so i think that the the biggest coronation would have to be obviously our reach about when things are happening so already we've been coordinating about these public walks and we be coordinating with them to schedule you know when we have public woks my idea is to have a number of different times when the public can can visit the area that we're working in and see it and so we coordinate with them for that reason we also really need to be smart about trail closures for safety and for liability and for how we're going to organize  which trails we're going to use so a lot of the existing recreational trails are on old log roads and so i think that it's going to be a discussion with parks and rec about the areas that they know to be sensitive areas the areas that  are trailed areas and how we can sort of plan our trail system really carefully so we interfere with the least amount of recreation possible see idea would be that we would be interfering with people's access to the park for the least amount of time in the least expansive way so we'd be targeting small areas you know and then parks and rec would be in touch with the public would be sort of cordoning off these areas and then we'd move on and then we'd be touching base in parks and rec about restoring any areas of trail system that may have gotten damage displaced or anything like that and that's sort of the vision and i absolutely can't do it without them so it would be i think being in touch with them well ahead of time to get a really detailed plan and is a big part of what i look like ok anybody and so i did i was unable to make it to either of your your walks and which i had to how many people did you get what was the participation i think we got maybe thirteen the first one to maybe eleven the second one yeah you know it's always it's hard it's hard getting people to show up for stuff you know and then and then you hope that you've made it clear enough in the ways that people can comment so that when they when things do start to happen at least they know that they've had the chance to  expect that you'll update this plan to reflect our new knowledge now yeah so so that's what basically what it says in the plan now is with the most recent in the most recent version is we do not as far as we know we don't have access  we're not obviously going to move forward with any forest management and so until we do have access but we should try and figure out what the access is and because there was there's it's still unclear what it what it is so one of the actually the undated action items in the in the plan is trying to figure out access we have and what we're allowed to do so to answer your question so it doesn't sound like it needs to be updated i think it's already in there but if it's not clear we then it should be or might have some more insight on what at the end of break in hell man there's about a thousand feet where it goes from public right of way to easements over that man it would not allow for walking as far as we know in any sort of access for forestry that could be negotiated with a window or it could you know there's other potential options for how to get into that part of it so right now people can walk into any and brook from that road they just we could do forest reactivity is there as far as we can tell who would have to research th human desires like what the manager an objective are and can you just give me some examples to be on spot but you know what a management objective would be that doesn't involve money or nature because i just can think of and yeah i mean that's a really good question so you know another example could be you know we talk about establishing you know slick structural objectives for the stand like creating structure so i guess i mean i get that still ties in the ecological i guess sort of one of the hard things so culture in forestry in general is just you know everything we're doing is in some way framed within human objectives and so even when our human objective is our desire to not see like a degradation of wildlife a willingness to change what you hear from the feedback that you have received indicates needs to be changed so i can't think of anybody else who would have done a better job from the framework of where you're coming from so one of the things that you mentioned in the forest management plan is that dan you're actually going to be talking to me o one of the things that has ethan has mentioned in the plan is that nature could do the same job just would require roughly twice as long to get it done so in terms of where we're going and what the final result would be or there's no necessity to do the kind of major up evil that's involved in the current forest management i made it a special sacrifice and my other wise plans to be able to do that one of the things that got said was a sort of critical of the  my backyard some syndrome we all use paper products we all use whatever for or almost all use lumber for our buildings our houses that it's to reduce a certain degree hypocritical to use forest products without being willing to sacrifice of forest to do it my comment on that one is that point well taken but indian brook park is first off a park not an indian forest or commercial forest area second is that if we do have to do some disruption we should not be sacrificing areas that are of recreational use daily to something which is seen by the broader public almost never such as the forest the working forest of the northeast kingdom which is a lot larger than india book park and a lot more remote and most people who have used indian market never see the northeast kingdom working forces so it's not an apples to apples comparison to say that we should be willing to sacrifice some of indian book park to demonstrate our lack of hypocrisy in the use of forest products forest health by birdsong and the had discovered that though the disappearance of much of the diversity of birds accompanying the harvesting was to be expected they did not find the gradual replenishment of diversity that they were expecting and that a decade after the forestry forest harvesting had happened the forest had not recovered in any meaningful way from the effects of harvesting i don't know the exact date i can find out from from our public radio which programme it was had which particular detail within the programme showed this unexpected failure to be resilient this is a particular concern because we're expecting the damage done to be by harvesting it in your book to be very temporary and very rapidly repaired by nature and the sole experiment that has come to my attention says sorry it doesn't work that way and i would it's an experiment on a very large scale compared to this whole scale of the town of essex and if we don't have any commensurate certainty about the par to recover and fulfil our ambitions for it we really should not be mucking around with it we really should be doing an absolute minimum of disruption because counting on it to repair itself is counting on something that is by no means guaranteed and our best knowledge now indicates that it will not happen two or two more items one of us on the same note it could be very useful to segregate the land has to park versus non park had to maintain i would hope say eighty percent of the indian work reservoir park has park not as wood lot i've heard from them today movement in that direction and i would like to encourage that we have a clear declaration of what parts of the park are to be allowed to be managed by nature versus what parts of the park mar human management an example of human management to which entirely approve is trying to actually prove back and maintain the remnants of the one time or toots i'm very much in favor of that if that is a departure from parkland another departure would be easy recreation the use of the reservoir for water sports excluding what motivates i hardly agree with that and i would not want to see that win that restored to its original human intervention and just one last point if the modest amount of income available from the timber it worked to what you had to support and no a lot of years have to go by but yeah a lot of years have to go by i mean i think that there's a lot of that's really good point so there's a lot of good ways to to sort of turn you know these activities into you know science where we can study those things i don't know the study that daniel was talking about i think that there's a whole lot of science that bears out a different story but i think that there's a lot of opportunities for us to do baseline monitoring  and to see what happens but i think that in any case you know monitored would be a very important part of it there's you know whole whole body of science about these things about how force regenerate and grow and develop that don't necessarily bear that that narrative out in books really special place you know who knows exactly how it will manifest and so i think you know monitoring would be a part of it i'd like to do it i think we've been in the high school would be really neat thing to do i've done some work with the forestry tech program in particular and they also have a pretty cool natural scientist curriculum that they could be out there monitoring for bird say that there's a tool kit called the foresters for the birds tool kit which is basically how we manage forest with birds in mind and basically it's it's targeting mostly or near tropical songbirds and specific species  that tell us that we have a healthy robust diverse forests and that all of the things that i've described as measured plan are certainly in line with that it's again it's called the foresters for the birds toolkit and it was with the vermont on you know were other other areas within the park that will not be managed in just looked for wildly yeah i think i mean i think that there's a so there's a huge area adjacent to all the hydrologic features there's a whole stand for that's a rare chestnut oh community that well that i think would be the ideal would be no management less so in some way benefit that community and all the cultural features on the on the property and then there's a number of also areas where there's a lizard to thin areas where the soils are to use where it's too steep where we couldn't in good conscience ever harvest without doing damage to the forests there will be some areas like to go oh yeah i know it's their goal the goal of this is not to harvest over every inch of the park nor is that what's prescribed in the manship and the goal of this is just to sort of take this thing which is the manager the active management of the forest  zone because we also know that doesn't work so that's actually you know saxon held that which we're now the time of us has now received some of their historic their other historic extraction village water forests back was an example of this these mistaken ideas we had a long time ago that humans were supposed to manage every variable of the forests for maximum efficiency of timber production and that's not absolutely not we're trying to do and any harvesting of timber would not just be for income but it would be rather than chop it up you know be able to get some income to put back into this and you said twenty five percent of it would be used for that was my records recommendation yet to be put back in and then i know there's also a conservation fund that could be a potential receiver of that income but i would yeah i would think about it is terms of that's something there will be income generated probably and that's that would be a really good way to use that income the goal would be to generate income to do anything in particular as a product yeah exactly and then you know i think that that really in addition to that you know creating more resilient forests creating a healthier forest which this doesn't a long term in the face of climate change and all these other issues that i sort of touch on in the in the forest management plan and i think that the education and outreach component is really really important as we think about how to manage our working lands that surround us in a way that's really responsible thank  questions and yeah i just i've just realised i'm confused about this access question is it the access the you were talking about earlier is that just one part of the parkers that the only access that so that is i think the only access that of the questions rethink ok what's the board's pleasure ok we're going to move on to business item five d and that's adoption of town tree town street tree management plan and daring to come up and talk to us about this one meeting so we had changed some of the goals in the plan to reflect actually achieving tree city usa recognition which the village already has right village already has and through and through the work of the tree advisory committee  there were a few other cosmetic grammatical changes one of the other thing is that we found out relatively recently from the from an urban community forestry program is that i'm in a close printed which is one of in the memo that was provided in our packet there precedes the the management plan under costs it implies that the town outside the village could become a tree city but the town outside the village is not a legal entity in itself and so i'm wondering if that's been appropriately considered that maybe we need to partner somehow with the village since they are part of the town absolute and include their population and what and their spending in whatever cost we figure for this because they should have made them then a little clearer and that the costs that would be additional to what the village is already providing for their tree city usa doesn't nation as what i've presented here that would count towards the whole as far as i understand the total per capita for any municipality was have to be two dollars whether it's met by a sub portion about population or throughout the whole town budget and i am not an expert on town village nuances in terms of finance and budgeting in pax's so that's something that we would want to work with select board on in terms of how that would be handled i know that there are talks about a line in consolidation so there may be other ways to make that process simpler as time goes on but as far as what would need be needed above and beyond what the village already done is what is presented in your m and know that both boards have discussed alignment of seas and procedures and even ultimately committees and i think this one would be right there is a lot of expertise both in the town with conservation and with the village with their trees and the people who we ask to volunteer in those areas we have a wealth of knowledge about the ecology and trees in particular so i think it's sort of setting itself up nicely for some work together in both areas  that's a statement the question comes in as public outreach public education of asheboro not only of what we are going to have to do in the parkway which is the place of between the curb and the sidewalk for the most part and then also what has to occur on private property if you have a infested tree which it doesn't necessarily have to be asked for but what the plan calls for for the people who don't have it in front of them and why we're going to do it the way we're going to do it the plan does talk about doing some outreach and points to itself in a way as some of the resources  treatment and the the way you would approach this is a private landowner or various similar assess your tree and down consider how you want to deal with it the remodeling community forestry program the state level agency that works on this has a lot of great resources for both you know salaries and homeowners so we would likely just to use a lot of our knowledge and materials and just try to get out to the assets community specifically and make sure that people around in our area are aware of what that means for them and means different things for different kinds of landowners someone who has a quarter or more of it they hear a lot that's in an urban area it's going to treat very differently than someone else who has a large tract forest land who may need to think about larger ecology issues and bigger cost of managing for our nation other trees that are susceptible but as far as our reach that is something that is one of the we would obviously draw on the knowledge of the tree advisory committee because they've done a really good job of making doing that in our region and doing events and doing education in the village so we'll likely mirror what they do at our vases and animal faces so we're we're doing that also at those events and at town meeting at our table we always have to get information handouts and you know people are becoming more aware of it because it has hit the airwaves so so we're ready with information for people but we'll be doing you know more that's going to be to be more four  requirements of getting recognized as a tree city usa is to have a board that takes care of the tree issue and i know the village has a tree committee or tree commission it is it possible for the conservation trails committee to be that committee to take this on absolutely seems like it might be a good match there as opposed to adding a new committee and i don't think anybody would recommend on another committee just for many and there is a wealth of knowledge in the village to start to cooperate with in the u s so durned back to the plan the time is going to have to or consider removing trees in the parkway talks about this removal process and it recommends first doing anything that is already diseased or on its way out because those will need to go anyway and they are the most susceptible to any sort of pasture by getting those su trees out is the first priority and you can see in the data there's already a number that we've identified in the survey that are should be taken care of soon and in fact i think chuck vial was just looking at some little leaf lind on one of the meadows edge neighborhoods where there are already splitting and they're not going to doing well and they're not susceptible how many know it already keeping track of some of those and taking action that work would be done either by public works or someone they would hire out as a contractor to do the work and from there it would be a question of does the select board wants to or does town want to do any of her active removal or wait until i passed is more likely to be  sex right now it's only in the washington county in orange county areas it's hard to tell how long it will be until it gets to jeanine county so it's really a question of you know because proactive removal is more cost effective when they don't have to deal hazardous trees and trees that you know may drop away unexpectedly it's easier in that respect but some trees many resistance some trees i mean i need to be removed in the end someone they want to preserve so that's up to the town as to buffer against some of those potential issues so we're playing out of the board as to what you think is the best course of action but the recommendation is to do a little bit of preoperative removal a little bit of time and spread out the cost as much as possible over the years so you're looking for that tonight you're looking really just for us to adopt this tonight and adopt its name and that has a plan for removal starts guy going in the way we can go home back about how you want to do it or leave it up to a staff  like you know something that is value to these three street trees and it's great to see that we have a plan to take care of that and you know have the discussion later but proactive at a lower cost if you know it's inevitable i mean maybe they'll be a magic bullet that they devised to stop this i don't know but it doesn't look like and right now looking at the him labs and say they're now they're now recommending not cutting all the trees research more studies and and more information as time goes on so you might be able to identify which trees may beast resistant you think that's a sort of us wait and see because we don't know they're there  spreading the way it has to work for other invasive pasts but it may not for our or any other past but hard to see but that's why we're not recommending wholesale cutting all at once because i would also be a huge impact on communities and project we had a big event on june fifth i know and there's opportunity to to add your comments online and we want to talk a little bit about that see if we can prove that somehow to make it easier to do have a couple of questions for you to consider but i also wondering what you're wondering because we haven't gotten a chance to connect so i can be there for questions i can start with some of the things i was wondering from you you want to give a high and it was video to write the first the first video and then it broke into a few groups but those were each group is not video right now but thanks to channel seventeen for video in that first section because it really ended up being a pretty comprehensive overview of  a lot of what was in the memo content wise so the breakout groups were by geography the assumption that i had in that was thinking that each different region might have some different considerations and i would say that one observation i is that it was very hard for the group for those assembled to to really think about those middling options it just wasn't very appealing to think about the middle in options so there's a lot of comments if you look at the notes to either extreme or the other but not a whole lot of cautions or benefits with those middle in between options interesting observation i don't know what will happen with play speak but that was the outcome of the forum now play speak so play speak is a new it's new for us to say we have a learning curve on it i've been hearing different things about it some people  some difficult things were coming out to do things to different moms and i think there are specific there are a couple different dynamics that i'm watching on play speak and part of is trying to figure out lots of times when i you know when i watch things unfold in front porch forum there many times or all see an extreme sort of message or or comment come up and that's sort of the beginning of a process and then some of the more moderate voices start to consider what some of those m stream voices might post in the beginning so one things that i'm looking at for play speak is to see what happens over time as some of these conversations start to temper a little bit and i don't know i mean that's a big exploration for all of us but if you do have specific concerns particularly after having coffee with someone and getting to understand what are the things that they're worried about and you know what's the impact that's having on their ability to participate that is a very timely topic for today yes i guess the other comment that i heard was that there was speculation by some of the attendees that not all of the attendees were actually from essex and i don't know if there's any anyway or any effort to control who they talk about the former place speak so if you're there's a sign in sheet if you like to look at those names you certainly can they're posted in the minutes you can run them against a list of essex residents there wasn't any effort at the door to say that non essex residents couldn't come open forum i just have some feedback to share heard from a couple folks who attended the forum that the whole group portion was was great but then when they were breakouts the breakout that these folks attended there were definite arguments back and forth between audience members of the facilitator was not able to get ahold of and they felt these particular folks were people who were not hunters and they they felt they felt vulnerable they felt ganged up on and that was difficult for them and then i received some feedback regarding place the regarding difficult to that's a very individual case we could talk about that in a minute but the rest your feedback that was it was just those few thinks i just checked so about the forum there are things that might change for the july nineteenth forum that might handle or at least respond to some of those concerns i think generally speaking my default is that people always have a choice for what they choose to share in any given forum and of silt here will do the best that he or she so i'm not mean i think if there was any really difficult fall out the impact that somebody in a highly negative in very permanent way it would be really important for me and now in this isn't the forum to be able to share that  but generally when i look at the event overall i don't see marks like that what i do see is a thread that sounds common or sounds like echoes of the way this conversation might have unfolded in the past that it felt very polarizing and potentially that there were louder voices and quieter voices and this fear that there might be retribution for what you might say that is one of the reasons we chose play speak that it's a forum allows for some transparency about the process candor and assures privacy so people can in order to participate in place speak they do need to be authenticated to a certain geography that means they need to sign up with their real name and their real address and a real phone number in some cases but then they can turn their settings that they're anonymous what that does is it means that you have a record of all the participants available to you who participate in place speak but it is completely separate from the content integrity to know that who's in the conversation but it also has a high level of privacy in that it separates that content piece of someone  wishes from the feedback that they're giving so that fear of retribution now i can't speak to what people choose to put in their post but depending on how they craft their messages that fear of retribution should be more manageable an individual level individual choice the other thing we're thinking about is what happens to a public record if i were to say do an online survey and be trying to check are these residents against the impact or the feedback that they gave that record would link the name with the with the feedback i didn't want to anyone up in this situation for a future pepper public records request that they would then leave them vulnerable in some way which is again why we chose to go the place the cancer really only platform that we can find that makes  transparent a process as possible again that really depends on participants choosing to be transparent and to use it so one of the my objective for being here is not only to be present but also to really listen and follow up on the kinds of things that might make it difficult for people to use this platform because i don't want to be in the bind of trying to deliberate around feedback that you're getting anecdotally from feedback that showing up in the public discourse so if someone can't make it to a forum either because it's too difficult or because it's too intimidating for any reason place speak does give a place for those comments to go in a very measured trackable candid transparent and private way now for that amount that level of quality it does require that you need to see that the sign on is a little more arduous now i have an option to make the multi what they call it multi level authentic ation i think to make it mandatory i haven't yet so right now it's still requesting that people verify at least one piece of information if we need to go that extra bump up for security to make sure we know who's in there like we notice that people are using fake names or fake addresses and i will ask for two pieces of information again all that information is kept in the beginning so that that person gets an account but it's not linked to the content that then they they submit to play speak i have reached out to folks who have been bribed her that they've been frustrated with if i had their contact name and usually after a conversation resolves and sometimes there's been some pushback for folks who speak has actually had to reach out to a couple of individuals to figure out what's going on you know why are you using this name that's not a real name it might be something much more generic place because actually reach out to that person to be able to say we do need to have your name in order for you to continue using the service and that's the case where they might require a  because what they're trying to do is make sure the people who are in that platform are who they say they are and aren't from some from california or from some other place entirely trying to to either fill the survey with other responses or or just weigh in on a town ordinance that's not their town now that does i do have a couple other questions for how you might want to use play speak but let's stay for a moment on any other feedback you've heard from folks or concerns you might have about the platform in general  broke out was a little bit tougher for the facilitator to try to manage the way you are able to so if there's anything that you can do to maybe a little boost trainer booster self trainer boost one thing i'm thinking is that for the july nineteenth or vent the nature of that event will be different as well might be able to stay in a larger group i did hear from a couple folks and they came to the to the fifth that they were surprised that i was breaking them into smaller groups and that that wasn't it was ok it served that event because he really needed the input but angela nineteenth the objective of that forum is really to share here the trends that have been showing up on play speak for pic particularly for folks who haven't been there and because some of the results are showing up on play speak aren't seeable to everyone the survey results are still in a database i haven't even seen them yet so that july nineteenth month gives folks a chance to hear what how i'm starting to digest material before i give it to you and be able to see if i've missed any of those categories or trends and you put i love that question stuff is available here trying to figure out what's your role on this place speak site well well it's not just that but you've mentioned minutes you've mentioned video you've made you know ok so and you asked us not to go to the meetings  fascinating right so i feel like i said i feel like i'm behind at this point ok i just i don't think you're behind but definitely us fill in the gaps there's not confusion about it i mean did you have a related observation to it yes i went to it and i was approached by a citizen who said i heard you weren't supposed to go to this meeting and i had the memo and i showed that person i was welcome to come is really i just to keep a low profile so i think we need to be really careful what we say about what we're allowed to do what we not allowed to do so that we are not a you want to get inconsistent message you go or don't go for whatever reason you're in a really difficult position all of you are because a lot of those that guidance came out just minutes before a day before the actual meeting and so you were left in u s spot for a while before you know what to say so for the events you know if more than two of you show up that we do we are supposed to announce it as an unofficial meeting and that makes things complicated administratively complicated so one part of that guidance is just to say if more than two of you will come then let me know and he cut my understanding is an electronic gathering is it works the same way but this is an electronic gathering where you are already can be on it's very transparent so you can be listening it's a public forum and that that means just not signing in but looking that certainly fine but you're also welcome to log ins that you can see the functions as they actually unfold and that means watching and discussions in chronological order it might be easier to actually digest the information there i would recommend that you not post there however and not get involved in responding to those conversations but observe and listen and you're actually posted as listeners because this site is set up to be as transparent as possible and subpoena for us not to go and you know it you said that about the june fifth one and you're saying that again to the july nineteenth if you are going to go or if you have interest in actually being in that conversation that's in the pop up july nineteenth my recommendation is to not show up as you know have to are fewer of you spread it out or if you are going to go we just need to announce the meeting so it's official and i think that changes a little bit gregg i don't know all the ins and outs and i think it means that it gets announced the meeting begins and then you beating multiple of them you'll get the information probably august or september and have at minimum one meeting about whether or not to change ordinance what it might look like in a public hearing if there are any changes more of us go with that potentially impact the outcome of that particular forum would you think people would speak differently or what's your piano about them my concern for june  that would be different from my concern from july nineteenth because the objective is different for that meeting but my concern truly is that it would change the discourse that happens there and that one of the things i was really looking for in june fifth i know this conversation been happening several times and some of the same information comes up again and again but this isn't necessarily a public comment period designed to reinforce the same arguments is designed to get you good input in order to make a good decision so one thing i was worried about with june fifth is that rather than getting input it would be really compelling to be trying to use that time to bend your ear to certain discussions or debates or points and i don't know that's the most effective use of time given that there's only so many minutes of air space in a public forum now the place likes to play speak you know people can put all those comments in those lines of reasonings and they can back them up in different ways and it doesn't necessarily impinge on other people's minutes because people to split their time are they want but in a public forum when they is that you should definitely check this out whatever spend on and you don't have to sign in order to do that anyone can look in the resources folders and look look through them if you're looking for the june fifth minutes that there's a folder called june fifth yeah can you show me how to do th thinking i have some of the questions i'd like t so when you if you were not signed up for a place you can not connected to this issue this is what you will see you so if you were to go there on your collar right now you would see this is the issue here is who's been participating in what's happened you would point so you do go there from the town website here and the place to be here so it's on the ice on the in the police police department section  wildlife and then towards the bottom materials from the june fifth public forum so that includes stuff about how to participate in place speak and includes some of the slides that we showed at that meeting and could a link to channel seven teams recording so that's probably where you want to start if you want to go chronologically into this process and then also show the discussions this is where a lot of  you so the first thing you would want to do is sign up because i don't think you can see much without signing up a cook you can check the van here i think anyone can actually see it without signing up and get all the information right there whether you do anything so it's place speak dot com slash asics bt firearms and it will bring you right to the topic on the page if you don't if you forget that for whatever reason it is i think darby's putting quick links on the home page of both the town and the village so without being signed and all the place where you can see a little bit of what's going on some of the discussions that are happening but you can everything without doing that you can look at everything here but the benefit to actually participating logging in is that you'll see you'll see more of you'll see it this is sort of a street view and you'll find it easier navigate once you're logged in thank you recommend that we all  know when you're ready and you know i can only imagine that this you probably get a lot of information about this issue and trying to streamline it is is both a trick and you know my hunch is that if you sooner rather than later get used to what place speak can do that you can also help folks who are struggling to figure out the interface because it any new technology and a new email system i always dread making those shifts and this is not really any different than that you have to participate in and log i'm somebody who doesn't really liked a lot i don't like to post publicly on line in very many things and i always worry about putting my name out there so if anybody was looking at play speak and was hesitant to sign up because they thought their name i automatically be connected to a pos editorial makes it very very easy to figure out do you sign in their name but then you can very easily be anonymous for the whole entire topic and you only need to click those settings once for it to stay for the the whole topic great that's clear  really need to have a place where folks feel comfortable posting their comments and so appreciate you getting this set up and then having the tutorial make sure that people are chance to be comfortable with the invitation is genuine to come so one question is from the june fifth forum itself one of the participants was asked a really good question which was how's the survey going to be used because surveys always feel a little bit like votes and i know how i intend for it to be used but i do want to run it by you to see what you're thinking about it here's my sense about place speak is that there's a survey up that where people can say what their tolerance for different options i like this one i don't like this one that cetera it's a as with any poll it will give you a good snapshot of what people's opinions are who participate but not necessarily the whole entire town i don't know if your constituents are going to be on line or not so there's two tools that will who are hoping to present to you by the end of this public comment period one is that survey that snapshot of those who participated what they're thinking about the different options the other is a list of the different interests and perspectives that they're looking at what are they paying attention to and they're trying to figure this out well kind of criteria are they looking at that you can just see what those different perspectives are that's topical that's not necessarily going to be rated by a popular choice or a vote because my sense is that you're trying to weigh both those things  so that's my design for this if you had different questions that you wanted asked for a different plan in mind for how you want information now it also be a good time to let me know any time between now and the next couple weeks so that we are questions that you liked folks to dial in a little bit more closely on if there's things you're wondering i would love to know what those impressions are because all slaine by the end of this period i really want you to have a comprehensive collection of information or you feel like you've gotten you've done the best you can be able to look at the survey results or discussion results and see where they're from essex or not now i know that there are some different efforts afoot to try to get opinion from folks who might use these spaces but not necessarily be from essex do you want me to investigate what if they had an interesting idea that maybe the local folks didn't think up but there's already a solution out there a compromise of some sort that maybe works well might be worth i mean my take is we could find a way to gather it and look at it see if there's anything in there but if there's no you know use it there might be a gem in there i am i feel up differently i feel like the be forum is a safe space for essex residents to have their opinions placed without being diluted interfered with or changed in any way by people who are not part of e however i would leave it would be interesting there may be some good ideas out there there are other towns with this kind of zoning in it that might have this question perhaps if we have a disclaimer on the website that says you know if you're going you know place speakers for a six residents if you have an idea you'd like to share these contact the manager please contact you know send your ideas to and then put an email address there you can have a discussion forum on a place speak that is open to anyone not just residents that can be on th very same site so everyone is still seen it but it just means in that option that one discussion that it's open to people who aren't just from essex is that made very clear because i get what it means if you're in there or not it means if you're not an essex resident then you're going to try to click on some discussions and you'll say i'm sorry you have to be a resident in order participate in this discussion and they won't be able to participate and it might be a little frustrating because there's a lot of options here that they won't be able to participate in but it's an option if you are trying to streamline the process and be as transparent as possible about the feedback that you're receiving because it all goes to one source without creating multiple documents your for it might intimidate cover station the locals p s possibly more the perception of it not being interfered with by outside in people you know and this is an essex conversation and while i understand there are not unless it's people that use the land to hunt on sometime question again i haven't been here either yet but could it be this is the four for you if you don't live in essex and then all the other questions are was are we to make a primary so people don't have to go through fifteen versions be frustrating give up before they got to make a mark on it we could just make lean toward keeping it local i be concerned that folks might get the impression that we're relying on outside opinion to to make decisions or that you know who knows who's going to go into that i mean we talked about you mentioned california we could have russians in there we could have right so i  will i'm i'm in favor of keeping it local don't know if we're going to have that same geographic mapping thing that we have internally in this you know are they north dakota are they you know ok i do encourage participation in place speak because i guess it's turned it's transparent it's one source so if you're trying to if you don't want to be in that bind of trying to draw from different sources and you find that you're getting information from other places you can let us know we can find other ways of making sure that it gets to the site said you know i write let you know if they write a letter an e mail to the select board members it would be really disheartening if that wasn't considered one thing we can do is we are starting a folder for some of those so that people don't have to go through lots of different sets of minutes to find those communications it doesn't it won't show up in the data set that comes out of play speak because it's not a searchable as the discussions and the survey but it is one place where there are those different voices and letters and opinions are going so anyone who wanted to get educated on what that discussion was could find it so i don't know if you're getting other communications in other ways but to them deja is open and throughout this process if there's ways i can help streamline those things please let me know when i see your hand but i'm going to have the board finished discussions and i'm going to open up the public ok so if you could just hang on there thank you so so do we should we have a policy that where we each individually get communications from somebody that we forwarded so there's a central repository of the you know so that is you know if i get in if i get an e mail i'm the only one that sees a loss i share it but we don't you know it's not we i typically don't copy the entire select board on any kind of thing like tax i want to start a discussion but do we i think that is that your question now well i think it's respectful to take each communication as it comes i would never want to say how your constituents should be able to talk to each other and there's ways of commute of encouraging those communications to go into a shared forum or place  certainly do you get a personal email you could say do you mind if i share this with our moderator and our facilitator and if they say yes i do and if they say no please don't you  at least we're trying and we're we're doing the best we can to get people to feel as comfortable as they can comment and that's the only thing we can do  the questions that you have any other questions for you know i mean please do i i can say is this feedback is the best it's the vitamin that we have to make us better and more nutritive between now and the end of the comment period so play speak is also an experiment we're trying our learning curve a swift we're still learning i still feel clumsy about it sometimes and i just hope b c as a pilot you know this is this is this is to see if it works and it works for this it can work for a lot of other finish used to but you know please nobody else no other town other town none of that stuff it's not it's not their issue it's our issue you guys are elected by ass you work for us that's what we hope you're doing well that's what we know you're doing  smartest play speak goes it's critical that you asked security questions to make sure that people are taking part in this that have no business being and that's to easy for people to sit there and anonymously throw their opinions out there because they're friends with somebody that's in the middle of this is heated up about it and needs the backing whatever whatever their issues are we can't allow that to happen as we've seen with the world today both sides for sure one of the concert one of the other things i want to to mention is to select board members that receive comments from people about hostility at the first forum and what not careful what you hear and who you listen to because again that's one side i realized i knew i was on being the northern section speak was very cordial and we listen to everybody several and you all know who that person is now because it happens at every meeting that we genuine concerns and they were legitimate concerns when it comes to you know touching our firearms you know closely populated area whether well you have a good sized took away it in your mind or not i mean you have to be respectful of your counterparts but those of us that live on the outskirts where we do and have to live that we do we have a genuine concern controlled if you will i don't mind having people's input but they better live in this town does the junction have that are they part of this whole process they have the right to speak on this whole process or various public bits of information to try and do the best they can to locate that person and address it so if you were from across the country trying to put in an address here it would be caught up in their filters that's already happened once it was the only legit that personal lines in the conversation just happen to be in a completely the location and it becomes a point of contact between place speak who reaches out to that person to say are you really legit give us some more information to show us that you're from that address so yes and that information may still look anonymous when you read this site because you then have the option to post yes could be multiple questions asked in order to confirm that i require i ask that maybe you think about that and actually do that the more i mean to security react to do to do things nowadays  the facilitator our input on that in a in a very respectful manner what are the pros and cons of the various options we are presented and right off the bat became abusive by one lady calling somebody an idiot and for a second there it got really ugly and cooler heads prevailed and and obviously that woman was in favor of some changes but in speaking with her we kind of talked through man what's your concern what's going on and by the time that that was done after a few minutes while we may not always agree with her most of that room was very sympathetic with that woman  was undergoing some some problems that she had during hunting seasons where people were not abiding by her posted signs they were blocking driveways  were just being plain disrespectful and there's there's already there's already ordinances and regulations in place to handle what this woman's concern was it had nothing to do with the firearms ordinance or more ordinance or changes only have policies in there to address her concerns so while we were we don't necessarily agree with her we were all sympathetic with her i'd be a little upset too if people were blocking my driveway during your season if people were trespassing on my property i'd be upset two totally different conversation from what we were there to talk about that night so it was interesting it was an interesting dynamic back and forth  that that i think in the end we calmed her down a little bit she didn't necessarily change your opinion but i think she had a lot more support in concept and sympathy from the guys in that room so that's something that doesn't come out of place speak and reading in the e mail or a post on a forum i know sometimes reading an e mail you don't get any tone out of that e mail i can i can read you something two or three different ways and you can interpret it different by just the way that i announce it you know where i pause in that sentence i i hear what jennifer is saying where you guys don't necessarily want to be adults but i wish you guys were in that i was in when that woman called call us idiots because i think it was a very good conversation at the end that you would never get in this place speak arena i just i don't know what to say about that and then i would encourage you to go and see the dynamic you guys know it's very polarizing but there and there are some so extremes i think but there's good conversation in the middle that is worthwhile to hear so and the final thing i want to say is nobody's talked about here tonight but slipped in your pocket tonight was input from the department official wildlife which at that june fifth forum was just brushed over i don't think that that data that was available yet it kind of came in or a the last minute well it's here and there's a pretty good statement from from fish and wildlife that says hey we've got to pay attention here to wildlife management and hunting is a huge tool to manage the deer trees that are just from six feet down have nothing on them because the deer just go on annihilate them if we don't if we don't control the deer herd we're going to have you're starving because we have too many deer that then then the habitat can and can support we're going to have you're dying we're going to have damage to properties these things are going to come in and they're going to start people's gardens and their trees and damage the forests we're going to have trouble with t ticks are obviously a problem now there are a carrier tax that's it that's another management tool for those and the last thing is accidents we're going to we're going to be pennsylvania where there's the air running all over the roads and her balance and often with cars in the evening i know i have to be careful going home when the sun goes down driving down old stager brigham hill road because at any moment they run across and from the so it's just something it was a part of the form i wanted to bring highlight to it  because it wasn't there and i was looking for that for that feedback from that initial segment and we didn't get it bomb so and i just i was going to talk about that for him but i thought it was interesting to share because i was like him i was on the receiving end that i didn't think i was going to be on and by the time what we got all done like i felt for that woman a little bit i still don't think we should make changes but i was sympathetic with her so far that you had to endure name calling but i'm glad that it was limited to that one incident but you're right the face to face is there's nothing that could really replace that but merely that some people are comfortable doing that we have to have another tool to do it not as good as face to face deadly job but i think it's great that you're doing it and you guidance for you that's different from what we've already given them most specify ok very good enough yeah so thank you for working with us on this really important issue in bringing the community together so that we can have a real conversation and end up in a place and some general ideas for the october joint meeting if the subcommittee is ready to do that but can look at that as a target option to to start to push this forward bill a bit more but with that i'll turn it over to you in terms of what you you know i mean gregg outlined a number of things for example researching options for types of governance structure prioritizing equal representation should any change that  proposing happen all at once or is there a certain you know phase in kind of thing we'd want to do what charter changes might be necessary to accommodate these things what type of surveys or public outreach that we want to do you know along the way to to validate you know our our work we need to take into account the six governance group input on the voting piece and even on i think neighborhood assemblies or whatever that will you know what they have recommended and then come up with you know perhaps different options in the pros and cons of each and then maybe and so as far as mission is that about what you were expecting that this committee to do or what are your thoughts anyway and  i didn't realize that there's some community would be involved in gathering the public public input as well i thought that this was more of a what are the options discussion are the legal options i guess is there with me the way to say that or what i was proposing that they do the research but just you know at what point in the process would it make sense to to to do outreach or a survey along the way or earn it may not be what do you think this committee should do in your leave it to another committee or somewhere else i think the committee could have plenty to tackle without public outreach being on the topic menu like of i'm going to say this right but i'm going to give it a go this to me is is a fairly is a fairly simple subject and by that by that i mean it's how it's how we're going to rearrange the governing body as we move forward i don't i mean i don't know that we would need public input for that right out of the ga think i think it kind of goes back to a couple of other topics that we've had where we're going to be asked questions that we don't know the answers to if we do that too soon in the process we're going to be asked questions that we don't have answers to give them and my way of thinking i think we should talk about certainly the goals and objectives of the subcommittee no absolutely no question but i'm not sure that a public input piece would be that i would feel strongly about doing that early in the process i think quite frankly i think the public is looking to us to come to them with ideas on how we change this and how we effectively govern this community maybe i was not clear what i was saying is this a committee could decide when would be it would be appropriate as we're moving forward with this to do what to at what time would we want to go forward not saying that we want to do that right away or i think that you know maybe thinking about it and saying this might be of an appropriate place because we have these questions that we need because we're going to wind the road or something and you know we like to get feedback on which with a question you know one of the purposes of our decision to do this is a subcommittee was to alleviate the staff of some heavy lifting in terms of research and i see this of committee being charged with investigating the question's going out and finding the expertise to help us answer questions and find out what we're allowed to do what we're not allowed to do what there may be multiple options or may realistically only be one option i see this group  primarily answering questions from the boards and staff about how to move forward and so consulting with the secretary of state's office consulting with the league of cities and towns gathering that kind of information and then sharing it with the boards and staff to say here's what we learned now what would you like to do we bite it off in small pieces it will be more manageable because all of those things that were mentioned that this committee could conceivably achieve it is a lot so let's be slow let's be thorough and answer the questions we all have tons of questions let's let's answer ask those questions and get the answers first before we do anything else so solicit both boards right i think that responsibility rightly the breasts with these boards and we're the ones pushing for this change and so we need to go find the answers to what we're asking for the kind of the the sense of the board for present first step in a way to get the questions from the members and then try to go out and get those answers whether they have legal or or procedural or whatever from bill c t or the secretary of state or whatever the appropriate authority body is that right mike you know i think it's something for me ok and work for me so yes we know you i mean haven't you i'm just concerned once again that the outside the village folks have enough place and so you see that again i'm concerned that folks from outside the village have enough input into this conversation because they don't have a board like the  do and if this like court appoints folks who live in villages where looking at another committee set up as so many committees have been set up in recent years has an imbalance according to the origins of people's residency established that this is the going to be a committee of board members so therefore the entire town will have of ways because we represent the entire town however that said already moving into the second part of the question which is who represents what and i think all of us know very well that we can't have this conversation without geography being considered because you don't have it any other way so i know that that's where we're going and so we might as well start that conversation  thought this is part of the process where we were answering questions i'm not sure  as geographical relevance something you know the question of what's legal to do and what you know what are the options should be should apply to whomever asks them i don't i don't i guess it's just to they can once again rebut the concern that there's a feeling that i haven't represented the town adequately  because then it may not have the representation that is being asked for by some folks i don't think this that these that have that representation factor taken into account as long as we have  you laid out rate here as possible things for the subcommittee to do sounds like a you know it's a at best and of ember of next year vote right of every twenty twenty and so this is a long term commitment you're asking for folks to make tonight if if we're only you know stablish one subcommittee to do this it's one of the reasons why i think the whole select board should do it so that because we're  assuming some of us get reelected in the coming elections will be in for that whole term so would you propose that no subcommittee be formed at this step for this process to answer the question what i'm what i'm proposing is that we could certainly have a subcommittee at this point but i think representation in the within that subcommittee the location that the physical location where the subcommittee members live is not relevant to answering the question about what's y of both boards be fully engaged in all those discussions so that we're all body and so that we don't and we've had committees before we're committees come back they make recommendations and they never happen because they don't the whole the whole board isn't isn't in on it you know isn't isn't is not and that's the wrong phrase that they're that they're not you know they won't buy into it whereas if everybody's in the room together you're making the decisions together you make that the votes as you go you make decisions as you go whereas if you have a subcommittee that takes you know a long time to develop the content that is the from your for the full list there's going to there's a significant potential that the entire entirety of either board will not may not buy into it i agree with you on that that where we live has no bearing on this conversation right now however in the interest of moving forward and making sure that we are making progress on this question that our residents want us to make progress on i would rather appoint folks in a way that makes the entire board satisfied because we know from experience that if we are not entirely satisfied with the process the process will be attacked until it falls apart  so my recommendation would be that we do the best we can with what we have and we assemble a subcommittee that is satisfactory to the majority of the board like i really don't think that the makeup of the subcommittee at this particular juncture has anything to do i mean if i live in the village and i'm going to volunteer to be a select board or percent representative to the subcommittee which i would like to do i don't i don't see the fact that i live here in the village but am going to be representing the board i don't see that as a negative i have to agree with n d i don't i really don't think that i have not represented as success in its entirety for the six years that i've been on the board i don't i think it's been all about essex i don't care what your address says it's all about what's good for a six so so for me i'm i'm going to volunteer to be on this you guys can decide whether the fact that i live in the village is going to be a detriment to that or not if you think i don't i don't think it is else i wouldn't be standing up how would we know we get to a point where maybe that makes a difference to be honest with you next i really don't see that being an issue until we come until we have something in place because then you're going to have a series of elections you can't go in and just dynamite two different ports because you've decided that you're going to have five from each community and you don't have that right now so you can't dynamite the foreign speakers you're going to lose you're just going to lose a lot so i guess the way i'm thinking is you're going to feather that out by elections so i i really don't she get being a real issue until we get to a point where we're coming to where the be quite a bit of that and there's going to be lots of discussion about potential models and then once those models are presented perhaps that's the time we reconstitute or we move onto a new phase where we talk about representation or we talk about taxation or whatever the next topic is that initially it's information gathering it doesn't have a home i'm hearing from my peers on the board that they feel they adequately represent the entire town and i've never said otherwise in fact our charge is to represent the entire town what we've heard from residents from the town outside the village for six or eight months now is that they don't quickly represented because they have no board comparable to the trustees they keep their interests in mind they would and on their behalf because we don't see things the way they do we represent the entire town or as a trustee we represent the village but they themselves represent outside the village interest only and if we're not going to admit people like that onto our committee i think it will be problematic is it and i say again this is information gathering and i don't see this is for the two boards to do and we're going to gather information from expertise from experts and resources and bring it through to the boards on interpreted just questions are being answered and information will be provided i don't see how the fact that mike is a village resident will change the answer that the secretary of state gives him when he asked the question it just seems pretty simple to me due to work commitments and personal commitments i have five days in the month of july that i would be available to participate in this i work a full time job it's not clear to me that i can arbitrarily take time off to go spend a couple hours in the secretary of state's office see if you're traveling down there instance spending time in there so if this work needs to happen by october i feel i i would be very challenge to engage prior to sometime in august so you know this is a volcano sensually a volunteer job we're doing here maybe maybe day after tomorrow i'll have more for my hands you know but  i just i just got just can't commit to this as i said i've got five days and i'm sorry i'm not going to sacrifice one of them for this ok so we talked about what we think this committee would do and that's the answer the questions we've had discussions about as a matter where you live or not but if we can get the answers we get the answers to our questions and have it balanced is that's going to be a continuously filling bucket of questions but we you know may say ok now maybe it's time for somebody else to step in because it may be you know arduous for this for people the the burden that but i think it's important that we don't dump it on staff because they get way more on their plates than they don't need this either like i think with respect i think you run the risk where if you reconstitute the board or you have somebody come in he's up with yeah you know if you have somebody come in and start and then almost sudden you arbitrarily pick a spot where ok now we have to change the makeup you're you're going to spend you're going to lose an awful lot of time and an awful lot of institutional knowledge that has built up over that first step trying to bring somebody else in to acclimate them i'm where you've been already i don't i see that as a colossal waste of time with respect i mean i think if we can go back to joint meetings every other month and not every month i would be willing to step forward and try to go as to questions two houses away from the village border but if i'd like to see us move forward in in a cohesive way you know together i think it's important that we we have a good working relationship and if that's what it takes for me to step forward and say i would i would put in this extra work then i would be willing to do that it's it's important i'm busy too but my hours are more flexible because my employer is m you're i don't i don't know that you're going to get off like people over the moan about whatever decision gets made here tonight i know who had served yeah yeah so what i'm saying is i'd be willing to toss my my hat into the ring and ok and you're going to be clear i'm thrilled to pieces on the subject matter i would love to be on this committee but i just don't not have that i just can't i can't and put the time in to give a different point than i do and my wife will let me go back to school i would be go to law again i mean after this phase because this phase is really just data gathering and we're going to just share with everybody everybody have the same level of knowledge at that point and if we want to do something different at that time it as i probably say ad nauseum we can check and   physical location of where the participants live in order to make the decision amen brother agree with us you can see what it is to some and i'm looking to try to get us to be together as a whole organization to do the business of the people that we know needs to be done in a way that we can be proud of you know the outcome so ok any other comm any other well i've got something i can't find on the stool it should have been smart enough to write the line number down and i didn't know ok page four negated because we're going backwards instead of forwards one to thirty seven it reads midway through mr policeman was confused about the logic of moving money around i don't believe that was the thought at all i believe what i said was that i couldn't ever recall us reducing awards simply because they were the first time in i believe so what wording would you like well that's there's there in lies the rub so i would say mr plague been could not recall ever first based on their first time entry into the pool out of order and that struck me as odd but i'm fine with leaving it i just want to point out that i noticed it see how like the line one twenty four is after line one twenty eight blah blah i'm just mentioning it don't need to change it as long as it doesn't bother you should know that it was seeded eight seven and this has to do with actually three thirty seven and three thirty eight but i don't those aren't the lines that need to be changed  conflict of interest policy requires that conflict of interest conflicts of interest be disclosed in the open meeting and while we were in executive session a select board member recused himsel from a portion of the meaning and there was no public disclosure of the conflict that led to that so there's a recused vote and so i'm asking whether we should whether the select board cuse all no disclosure of the conflict of interest so just as three thirty four left right perhaps if we said something like on three thirty four left executive session at ten o one pm due to a conflict of to that's not the issue the issue is that there's no public disclosure of the conflict of interest that led to the ill correct those two but so i'm i'm i'm just wondering whether we should somehow identify you know for a conflict or future what the conflict is it i policy that you have to disclose publicly disclose conflicts of interest in an open meeting i mean i've done this before where every crick used myself from second session discussions and i did it because prior to the start of the executives session and i i didn't see it didn't see it happen  noted what it is it is if you don't mind it is a complaint filed by miss runner for a public records request therefore this runner should not have been in that session recused herself so i think the minute should reflect just that and we could put that in there i guess that's what i think the conflict and it should be and maybe our minutes taker was trying to be oh yes let's fix that you see there ok now anything else on eight hearing all those in favor of the june fourth two thousand eight hundred four minutes with corrections s yes while not in the reading file there's been some stuff back and forth on what we have actually called the super sucker five thousand  really just sucks things out of kids basins and other things so it's a whole lot easier to just call it that and it's catching on the same the village has applied for a grant to replace the machine that the town does use from time to time actually very often and there's a issue with buy america and getting a waiver for the machine so there there's back and forth so just a fly i there's a bill there's a belief that we may at some point have to just delay the grant or turn back the grant we're hoping not to have to do that it is about three hundred thousand dollars and i'm sure any day now the 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