fifteen point two six see maple bill maple bay builders i'm the half of the property owners that five six six elms drive is requesting a special exception or even ariens in connection with an addition to existing house the minimum setback in this idea are just seven feet the additional the addition in the second floor would be a setback of four point three feet in the same setback as the current structure the board is authorized to grant approval if certain conditions are found to exist family get togethers and everything there and they have a lot of family that stays up stairs this is going to be a bathroom and a sitting area along with new windows right now there is none up there so it's going to give them a little bit more lateral movement with their family and also make it a little bit safer in fact that they'll be able to have some a when i was up there as well correct yup it is their family single residence they were not leaving the footprint of the property just going straight up the it's actually the other side yard setback is our special use exemption that we're looking for  are houses a there there are much taller they wanted us i mean specifically on the contract when we signed it the lower corps bulls that are on the house are having me remove those so we can keep that with the same structure staying the same architecture yes davis yes maybe ye fifteen point two sevens even a construction i may have with property owners of one five two east thirty four st is requesting a special exceptional or a variance in connection with an addition to an existing house  instruction we're just adding a small addition to the house renovating it to give them a better kitchen and dining room you know you're going in the lower left hand corner here yes we're going to actually most of the addition goes toward the existing detached garage ok all right it's for residential use in a residential neighborhood i presume you're in the side yard where your encroaching in your setback is where you know you need the the relief correct it's within the existing lines of the house it is except for the six foot on the side of your store in the garage any different from any of the other homes in the neighborhood no not really i mean we're basically going to take the exterior house and reciting change the windows are more energy efficient and add just a little kitchen addition that's and it keeps the same lines the structures of the house and a detriment to adjoining properties or the neighborhood no no no there's no within the property lines in the and he want to post seeing not all close the public hear what's the pleasure of the board will be inside your home it is within the existing septics or along with an existing barracks it is in character with the existing neighborhood will not be a detriment to adjoining properties or the neighborhood and he will comply fifteen point two building men for life inc is requesting especially exception to provide reasonable accommodation to operate a recovery rate residence at eighty west sixteenth street for nine unrelated persons with disabilities the ordinance privets more than four unrelated persons to reside in a single  good evening my name is jeff pantry some attorney i represent build a man for life my offices on six six five one hundred thirty six seven zero suite one hundred holland michigan had an opportunity to speak with the city attorney and i understand th only four of the potential six members are here this evening and based upon that i would ask for our reasonable accommodation requests for both this property meeting the persons who are not here and if they have not reviewed the full tape would not be able to vote we'd have to show the video next month yeah and you know it's generally better to have people see the hearing live when they're going to decide on it as well so typically what's been done in the past has been you know almost i don't think there's any time that's been denied is that the board has moved to table application to the next meeting so that hopefully a full board can be here to decide it a when so you know i guess for the audience information the reason why this is a problem is because it requires four votes to pass an application and so and three to one vote in favor is a denial and so having six persons here you get a full hearing and and well in what still takes four votes to pass but then the full board is here to vote on that with that understanding and will defer the public hearing on the entire motion we should have a separate motion for the second one but if i if i could just make your two other comments two for the audience benefit one is your mr weightman is here is a counsel personally is and they might be saying this five people here why are we talking to four he's not a member of the zoning board of appeals and the second thing is there was a comment bade by counsel that i would give him an opportunity to talk to the board members and i know what he means and what he means is that he would be have an opportunity to talk at the public hearing there's no discussion with the board members before that public hearing about the application i want to make sure that was clear for the record as a judicial body right but then you would need a nap a motion for the second which he needs to call and then need a motion fifteen point two nine c building from men for life inc is requesting a special exception to provide reasonable accommodation to operating recovery resonance for three nine west twenty first street for nine and related persons with this one what's the pleasure of the board move we propose postpone this application to the december support all right we got a motion by davis support by libby all in favor say postpone postponed vote ok thank you the ghost bone till next month thank you all right for those in the audience that showed up tonight our apologies we hope to see you next month all right what next new business the initial rough draft of the changes for the z b a rules and ordinance are the same amendments that we talked about at our last meeting the ordinance has been updated to accommodate you changing the relations for our part rules ok and then there is one section that ill support it ok we've got a motion by libyan support by davis this time all we can do all together all right we've got minutes for august twenty seventh september twenty fourth and october first of all to be approved i'd like to make a motion that we approve the minutes from those dates that you just mentioned ok i'll support them are a motion by livy support by davis all in favor say they're ok ok all right next meeting date is december third and just a reminder that we are having our training yes next week thursday october twenty nine at five o'clock starting downstairs in the employee lounge ok all right nothing else on the agenda so unless everyone wants to stick around here i entertain a motion