good evening everybody and welcome to the tuesday may twenty sixth border selectmen meeting the chair reserves the right to call items on the agenda out of order the times that are listed for these items are approximate times in items may be reached earlier or later in the post times the listing of items is those reasonably into supplied by the chair which may be discussed at the meeting at least forty eight hours prior to the meeting not all items listed may in fact be discussed and other items not listed may also be brought up for discussion to the extent permitted by law at seven pm citizens employed in the topics not reasonably anticipated by the chair forty eight hours in advance of the meeting seven o five update seven ten board of selectmen reorganization seven fifteen m p s l l c public hearing operation of premises seven twenty five splitsvilla how at the moon public hearing change of hours on entertainment license seven thirty five william g keegan jr discussion a trash program in seven fifty william g keegan jr town manager updated joan would you like to  reviewed the tape and i reviewed the a pick of all of which there is very little in such a letter which hopefully you've all had a chance to read by now boards have discretionary authority to handle reorganization however they want to according to whatever their policies are there is some guidance in robert's rules of order which the board has not officially adopted but by review of those rules and again it's it's somewhat informal the requirement is simply that nominations be taken and there's no requirement for a second what happened at the meeting on the tape that i reviewed is there appeared to be although nothing was done incorrectly and there appeared to be a little bit of inconsistency see maybe ambiguity in the end result as to what the board intended so it is within your discretion to rescind and revote those positions if that's what you choose to do and if you're going to do that my recommendation would be that you rescind the whole slate all three positions chair vice chair and clark so that there is no confusion as to what's whether there's still a position out there that's been filled then take nominations and then revote all of them the sea evening in order i would recommend that  selectman mitchell conduct all three of the votes because another thing that could cause him to give it is these votes are effective immediately unless somebody declines their position if you elect a chair and we then switch and have the chair do the remaining votes that might cause a little bit of inconsistency as to how the meeting was run this part of the meeting should be run by one person and in my opinion so i would i would recommend that select mitchell conduct all of the votes and then once the reorganization is done then then whoever's voted the new chair assuming that you voted chair can go ahead and handle the rest of the meeting does that make sense just agree with everything you say just a question if the board of selectmen has not adopted robert's rules of order are we going to proceed under robert's rules of order or something different in other words if something happens again be finding yourself in a position that says well robert's rules of order weren't really there to begin with so it i think it's a broader question for and i think all of the boards in town planning board zoning board follow robert's rules of order until something comes out and then we take a revisit a look at it so moving forward and we using the roberts rules of order to hold this meeting the board would have to adopt it as a policy you would have to adopt it i know you also have a  handbook that governs the various boards we looked at that as well that wouldn't apply to the selection of course but by analogy anything to require your boards to do would be something that the selectmen might want to consider doing but you're not held to what's in that handbook and you would have to vote you wanted to follow the conduct of all meetings under robert's rules then you have to adopt that but again as we said in the opinion there's nothing that governs the way you do this board's can choose to do this however they want there was just so much a questions that came out of that last meeting that it made sense and again if the board wants to if the vote is not to redo it then you'll be left with the votes that were decided but it is clear to us based on the fact that we were asked to look at it that there votes from the reorganization meaning two weeks ago i'll second the motion favor and second that motion but also we've just taken a couple votes without any discussion so from between now and when you finish the meeting can we make a motion and if we want to second it but then have discussion before we  as you typically do on motions you do have to have a second just not nominations for election you don't need a second we just take them in the way you can discuss them and then take them in the order that you've got them any discussion on david and then we felt that one or do we have discussion on the second nomination again no guidance on it you can do it however you want whatever makes sense but it's a journey and a discussion on your even though i have heard that there are some towns that will vote the other positions in my opinion that could cause some confusion if you end up getting another three to two then you're going to have to start all over again so once a position is filled it's filled so at this point so go down to we have a couple public hearings one that starts at actually let's go backwards we had a citizens input at seven o'clock so we skipped over to go into the reorganization is there anyone here for citizens would select means update at seven o five typically the chairman prepares a sigh i haven't prepared anything i'll open it up to the board if there's anyone on the board that once i get an update of any maloney for his work with the bird houses and dedicating a new baseball softball fields all are welcome to attend should be a really good event a lot of hard work went into obviously getting the fields built getting him to the was just like to thank my johns and everybody else that had a part in yesterday's morrill day celebration here was it was a great turnout i've been marching in that we're at that parade with all the the alteration of premises so if we could have the clerk read the advertisement for the record what it's like men acting as a local licensing authority pursuant to m t l chapter one thirty eight conduct a public hearing on tuesday may twenty so we have the application in front of us do you feel comfortable making a presentation and then we can answer questions and ask questions and certainly thank you secure the application before you as the board is familiar with this for an amendment description of the licensed premises i just want to for the record distinguish it from some time some licensees will make an application to amend the description of the premises to extend beyond it existing parameters and so before mr nolan's presentation i just want to make it very clear that the footprint of the licensed premises remains the same it remains unchanged the changes are all within the existing  premises the and the application submitted provides a copy of the footprint on the floor plan with the three upgraded areas that mr nolan will be discussing  to keep ahead of the curve so that we're always finding new amenities and new things for our patrons who come down here on game day to see in years so going back over the last several years we added why five of the  even gate entry upgrades trying to improve every facet of the game day experience so these three projects in front of you are geared toward improving the experience for the general fan season ticket holder who comes in the building and i'll walk through each of them first with respect to this application we have met with chief o'leary chief had feeling bill cass bear you know to review to review the plans and make sure that we've incorporated any comments that they've had in the process as karen mentions this alteration exist within the existing stadium footprint so it's inside the stadium gates the areas where these propert are going to have a dedicated dedicated manager in these locations our employee will be our employees who be conducting the alcohol service they're all team trained following the guidelines of liquor regulations same thing we do in part of both east and west and we're going to follow a similar process here and as i said we met with the chief and as you know we meet with the chiefs before every event that we hold every ticket it's always an evolutionary process but from day one these clubs will have dedicated foxborough police officers in there and also for we don't expect to have any issues in these clubs one of the things is we have  large season ticket holder base who knows there are repercussions to acting in jhalak stadium so the incidents that chief o'leary has had to deal with you know over the past decade are far different than he handled over the decade before that and in recent years the behavior has been really good because of that so in each of these locations we're not adding new people who are season ticket holders into the building it's the same pool of people there just new amenities  for that pool of people coming in so in your package to start with the often feel out the often for as you can see in the picture and on the board is located in our south end zone  it's in the area where we used to take out the seats for concerts and going into the underside of the stadium it is a paid membership so it's currently we have eight hundred members and that's where we've kept it for this year and each of those members pays a separate fee to get into that location but each of them are season ticket holders so this was only marketed to pay to use this team patriot season ticket holders and we started by approaching the most senior of our season ticket holders because they've been with us the longest moving forward so this out this property will be operated in the same way we operate the park the partner of the same hours on game day additionally this club in cross and all the talk about the two together for a second this these are facilities that we can use on non event day to expand our function  events to the stadium on non game days and you know in going over the past couple years the two things we've heard in it with you more so with cross is if you had a big open space that was nice there are a lot of groups  looking for that and that's what crossed those and the other thing that they bring up hotels so the big space will drop people to go to the hotel in the hotel will drop people to us so we think it dovetails nicely with some other construction going on  now on the second page is just some sample layout of what we would have how we would lay out the inside inside the space the planning on the type of that you know on the topside is more of a game day set you know with with tables inside the members and the bottom picture is more of a cheater style set up for a non the second one of mention is the last pavilion sits in the old picnic zone which of those you've been in the building is familiar with and as you can see from the picture it's a large open space on the inside so as you can see  this phase would be open to the general public so any ticketed patron who's in the building any season ticket holders come in will be able to come and go from this property so on cold days they can get warm and warm warm days they can get cool on what days they can get when you go to the second and third to two pages after that these are just some example layouts that you know it is the exact layout of the building but we're looking at the different types of things we can do in there so one is a theater style seating with a large stage and then on the second page is various configurations of tables chairs  going to be called the draft kingsport zone and what draft kings is it's a fantasy football service where you can play different games week to week it's a rapidly growing business and what they want to bring to the stadium is a place on the concourse where people can come in and get fantasy sports information so we'll have a for a one o'clock a m we'll have every t v on every game on that's being played at one o'clock and we'll have separate screen dedicated to specific families fantasies that so people who are fantasy players of which there's a significant number that you know both at home and come to the stadium but this is a way for those who are playing the games to come here and get their real time information and this is exactly sensual and existing because a glorified concession stand more than anything else and it's hard to see in this photo but this is the concourse right here so the nice days it's the space which which was part of the concourse is now just enclosed so on bad weather days we can we have doors that we can close to keep  tempered but on nice days and hopefully there's a lot of them the the doors will be wide open so we'll be free flowing from the concourse into it so it really is a glorified concession stand where we're sensual we took a food  court with a bunch of portables that we had corralled to serve on a bunch of portable beverage locations and we've replicated those inside so those are those are the three projects we're very excited to bring them on board because you know i think satisfied with the with the with the information they've received a lot of their ideas have been incorporated into the plans as well as the fact that the building commission has has been monitoring the construction as has been going on as well not heard anything back to the point where on this no nothing on the lower call that on the world and so before the board ask questions it's the building building inspector and police chief i hear anything different or any input that you would want to add and as we've gotten closer to the actual construction of the way ok here seen tonight we have devised various operational plans both for policing the locations as well as ensuring you know security and operation so i'm confident that these changes will not create any additional hazards at all thank you all and before we open it up to the board we also have a public hearing scheduled for seven twenty so a little bit behind can we read that into the record that we open the meeting and will continue until after the seven the seven fifteen here hearing on tuesday may twenty sixth two thousand and fifteen beginning at seven twenty five p m in the foxboro high school media center south street on their quest to amend the entertainment license of splitsville patriot place  interested parties are welcome to attend so continue that hearing until the conclusion of this one so will open up any questions from the board by removing the seats from the end zone how many seats are going to be removed i don't have that number of the top of my head but it's i believe it's somewhere in the two thousand seat range either twenty five hundred or an office number yeah i just got back in the office and wrapping back up so i just didn't know if there was anything in this model that would have that be shifted somewhere else and that the the revenue stream would remain consistent you know what this probably will do is it will generate increased mail sta s for the town specifically so i haven't done an analysis of what that means tax would be versus the last and take a tax but between the function business and it we will see  the patriot place land there's this perimeter is owned by the town ok and just as a point of process and i know that the commission is aware of this and we're happy to answer the questions but from the legal consideration on the amendment of description of premises of course whatever the agreements in place are if we need to have a separate discussion on those agreements that we're obviously happy to do that but as it relates to the consideration for the amendment we just want to be sure to note on the record that i've basically the financial consideration from that contract isn't part of the consideration of chapter one thirty eight for the amendment and i know that you know that commission i just need to do my job  now those two thousand season ticket holders that were in those they just didn't get kicked to the curb if you relocate them somewhere in the stadium yes you know that we started that process two years ago  they all had the option to upgrade their seats to a higher price to keep their seats in the same price or downgrade at at their discretion so every one of them not one not not one of them questions on nonevent days both across the opto how many people will they hold well for functions the for for functions they're both of you and bill can give you the exact number they're both about a thousand people is the occupancy permit so the way we would operate them is depending on you know what the event is we would look at how many people we put in and so theater style you can end up with you know more people than if you're doing a you know wedding with a dance floor and a bunch of table so but in any event it wouldn't exceed the occupancy that the town has given to us for those properties and the with the draft kings is that open to the public were you have the open doors or is that a that's it's literally it literally open i shouldn't say over the public you need to be you need to have your ticket to get into the stadium once you're into the stadium this is just essentially part of the concourse feel right so we're going to we're going to watch that that facility has the ability to operate on any day with because these glass walls that are down and doors and that those doors are what you know to find the iraqis to pass a bill in part of the four rocket past that we can put in there so if we if we if we do that we will be checking people in and out to make sure that we don't exceed the members because we want them to all have a very positive experience so you know we'll see again in conjunction with both g s if we see that eight hundred people it has a great experience and we can add another hundred  there's a demand for it we would do that we find it hard to write number that's where we keep it and similar with cross that you know we're going to manage the number of people in there versus the occupancy permit you know so on game day once we open it to run somewhere between you know during the regular season i was safe around numbers approximately fifteen hundred people a game the dana farber field house so lacrosse pavilion there may be some people who used to purchase the  field house who come up to cross but the cross is really geared toward a new membership program that you know people who are looking for a higher end tailgate that this would be an option for them  my understanding is that you know a paid ticket equates to a ticket tax right so if you saw a ticket with any any of the perimeter that falls under the state under the stadium yes so anyone still twenty five hundred seats we're no wonder getting the two dollars fifty five cents for twenty five hundred seats during games game days yet they are here because you've eliminated twenty five hundred seat for eight hundred people you're providing the food in the heart you know out of the club you know that it's going to operate just like the park and club so people will come in and they will pay for whatever food and you want to burger they want peace or whatever the offerings are down there they will come in and pay for that separate from the membership protective ok but you were where you removed twenty five hundred seats ok ordinarily we would have gotten two dollars fifty five cents for twenty five hundred seats and then if they bought something in the meals tax about some like of the town would get meals that so in addition to so really when you're saying that the revenue is really not made up with meals tax because when the seats were there we got the c c plus the mail stuff right then now i will be getting is the male sex so you really not you know isn't the mills tax i was referring to is the meals tax that would be generated on non patriot game days so when we it yeah i said i said yes to that so my question is do we have an americanism to recoup that twenty five hundred times two thousand fifty five means we're eliminating and i don't have a calculator we had to do the math but it's in to thank you where eliminating six thousand two hundred fifty dolls on a game day taxes go to the town so how it's in the lease that you don't pay real estate tax you pay a payment in lieu of taxes on a seat if you have eliminated twenty five hundred seats how is the payment in lieu of taxes  be made up of to the town fox from the and i'm not and i'm i'm not a lawyer who is familiar with all the inner workings of the lease between the stadium the town but was contemplated i says that there is a minimum amount of taxes that we have to pay so we host no events in the stadium we have to write the talent check and you know from our from our from our building  we risk we risk our money to bring non football events to the stadium that we we work diligently entire leslie to bring the taylor swift and the kenny chesney's in the monster jams and going back in time the soccer matches the n c a a lacrosse championships and those are contemplate they are contemplated in the least because you get a higher amount for every ticket we sell on those fronts but there's no set threshold so this year we're going to have the most since we have a hand gillette stadium the town tax will be the highest we've ever had that's because in partnership with the town you know we're risking our money in our efforts to host successful and profitable advance and even it's not counted in this year but you know we open two thousand in two thousand and sixteen with the winter classic so you know if if or if we have no one to show up at the stadium the town gets a minimal amount of taxes we have to exceed that threshold that was contemplated back in the ninety's when the deal was struck to protect the town and then any upside over that is good for the town because it's  for everyone the more business we can bring that we want to bring business this town and we bring business to this town the specifically the concerts i don't know what the numbers are but i would hazard a guess that this is the summer's concert season will bring eight or nine hundred thousand dollars to the town in town tax alone never mind any other ancillary revenue whether it's meals tax a patriot place hotel taxes or everything else that goes along with that even you know even though it's it's different but there are a lot of people in the town can work at those games whether they're folks in our concession stand whether they're police officers so there's economic benefit to all of that that we risk that we risk our money to bring these people in  sure is it is it is is it good for us yet we try to we try to be successful we also recognize when we're successful it also is good for the town what was the capacity of the old stadium so it's barely that i think that's about it shouldn't the more events we can bring the better has for both of us i think the the argument that has been persuades spaceways with me is the fact that the stadium itself has to go through a revolution if you will what used to be simply as a football stadium is now multi purpose so it and the more becomes multi purpose you know forget that they're competing against widescreen t v s at home the entertainer experience at home is great for people to stay at home we as a town way is is if you will a business partner in this case we have to think about that because the more successful that they are the more successful we are ultimately so while i fully acknowledge your your comment about the fact that there are less seats if they can do more than steer because of the new structure that's there we alternately will will make out in the year so i think that's the argument you will betray that yes and even something as simple as that  we look at the cross and the million and the car hotel in the future hotel they're going to play so well together all of the other clubs on the west side you know so you know what we can't factor in because it's not our business it's the hotels business but that generates you know anyone we can get to go into a hotel is going to generate a hotel taxes have we're going to we're going to go out and eat patriot place after their event which will be males tax the meals that we serve them inside or meals tax so we're trying to raise the the whole ship so to raise the water all ships rise so that's kind of the way we're looking at the projects that we're doing well i will say for the record there is still a question my mind about about the membership question because you're decreasing the number of seats in the stadium the number of patrons that come to an n f l game or also decrease so you are just going to spread a smaller population over into more venues decrease yes and it wasn't done for this intended purpose but because we just couldn't build a club without losing the seats that's just a practical matter but you know one of the silver linings to this is we're going to have twenty five hundred less people coming through our gates so the fans coming through a gate are going to get in quicker we're going to twenty five hundred less people trying to use bathrooms so the bathroom experience would be better we have a three people car on the road we're taking eight hundred cars are for want on game day so it may not seem like much but when we had back in the day we had we had up to four thousand standing a morning that we paid the town that was our peak but what we realized back then is that having four thousand standing room only hurt the experience of our season ticket holders particularly in the lower bowl because none of the standing room only people went to the three hundred level they would come in karma gate the north end zone in the bridge and behind the seats we even had to pay red line so that they weren't bothering the season ticket holders so when we ratchet that back to two thousand we saw the experience improve when we ratchet back to zero it was the best thing we did because it got the stadium back to being better i mean you could walk around the concourse more easy to get in the seats easier the wait lines were shorter everywhere so while we certainly didn't do that you know reduce the number of cars on route one of the people coming through gates or using the bathrooms it is a silver lining to the construction project we're doing now as well as across pavilion if there's a private function that goes on in there some contacts you and says i'd like to have a shriners convention in  individuals tickets my read of the lease agreement not having been involved in it when it first drafted and by the way i don't think that the explosion that has been on fox for a stadium was really contemplated at the time that it was done all of the different events that are there now for a private event or a private organizer runs the space to hold a private event there are not traditional ticket sales and so i don't see that falling into it i do think the two thousand and fifteen season but our sales effort right now is focused on bringing the events that have been looking for that space for you know working with you know the different convention bureaus and people who'd been there before to our facility before to host host a true you know what i'll call function events that we've been have we've been hosting successfully in the part of the club so we look at more as right now as presentations you know you know weddings bar mitzvahs business meetings you know we haven't had  you know one of our or our company want to do is put cars on display in there and bring people in so there's some creative ideas but we haven't contemplated having you know jimmy buffett concert in there for seven hundred people probably the wrong person but or can't because one of the unique things we did one of the unique things that we did with one built the building is we had the removal seat but one of the neat things that we did with this is that whole wall is removable and then we can build all the way up so for a concert will build the stage all the way up back to that grass line so that glass line you know so on game day people will be able to come out and all that outdoor space for a concert will still be building the stage recessed  practice field and parking lot to that upper practice this is the area that used to have separate polices that was given to us no not that's always that has always been part of the stadium liquor license the stadium itself if you move your pan to the right that was that where the liquor license that went to saga ok and then if you move t and to decide based upon the public interest and common good whether or not the requested alterations are consistent with your of your alcohol policies so i advised through bill  that you ought to take a look at these changes from a level of ten thousand feet to make sure that what we as a license for emitter remains in place and then you should also look at it from a height of about one hundred feet so you have the right to certainly know and understand where the walls are where the service areas are where the storage areas are who's going to be populating those areas and what time the third area of concern is your well developed rules and regulations they still apply here and i would advice for the board for the applicant to be aware as well that there are some very specific provisions of your rules and regulations that will continue to apply if for example there's a provision that the that the licensee shall notify the chief of police regarding gathering of more than four hundred patrons in one one area or multiple gatherings collectively amounted to more than seven hundred fifty patrons so that will still apply and we've heard already some testimony about the the numbers that might be  populating these different areas there are also closing our requirements that still would apply to twenty minutes before an official closing our other beverages would be  or service at that time and then all customers must be off the premises by fifteen minutes after the official closing hour if there are going to be any requested changes those would have to be specific large venue or promise us as the as the term is defined in the law i think it's fair to say that of an alcohol violation in any area of any premises would affect the entire premises and i don't see that that these areas are sufficiently separate from the premises so that they would have their own identity no we're already heard that they are part of the same premises there within that same perimeter so i think you have to the question is yes it would affect the entire premises now is that to say that the question would be litigated at the a b c see i'm sure it would be it's a very normal issue but my opinion is that that one violation in one corner will affect the entire promises in the spinone you're aware that yes and with respect to to take counsel as as  counsel who has appealed several cases to the a b c what i will say to that point two things i'd like to say one is that n p s has been a good operator and will continue to follow the rules foxborough and i think attorney to look out for you know itemizing some of those there is no change in in the operation here and we will continue to comply with the rules and regulations and we're not asking for any exceptions  any of those and notification to the police being just one example we work so closely with both chiefs that that will continue not of what's before you today will in pachter change that interaction or the compliance the rules and regulations but i do think it's an interesting question a good one commissioner a couple up on the violation on such a large premises and what i can say to the board is that we have been before several jurisdictions where there are hotels  large hotel operations where while some of these spaces are not separate and distinct some of the club areas let's say in one of these club areas that the cross pavilion or the or the putnam there were a violation it would certainly be at the board's discretion and we've seen other boards and larger hotel operations say there was a service issue here but we don't want to cripple you know in the case of a hotel impacting an entire city we don't want to cripple the whole operation cruise technically the board could shut down the hotel as an inn holder license so we have seen boards such as yourselves be very practical in of course and the board of course would vote as it sees fit in the book and would then determine whether or not an appeal would be necessary or appropriate but of course it is always at the board's discretion how it determines appropriate to deal with such a violation more questions for mr deluca thank you but if there's no more questions from the board with this is a public hearing and look to open up to the public if there's any input seeing none  as a board take some time to study this or is this something that it's really at your at your discretion i know the up against provided a good deal of information and certainly vetted a lot of what you have with those public safety agencies the building make a considered decision in this note and the reason i asked that is do you see anything that that we have a little comfortable that you've gotten you've got that opportunity to see it from the highest level and also see it from the lowest level in order to make a judgment whether or not to change no change same training for all of that stuff which i know jim spoke early on but it's of course so important the training staff everything will continue to operate to the same standards and then just to bring me up to speed where the board  they actually came before us before they started the the work we had another fusion that did the work and then bit of an ambiguity in the end it also relates to the one of the general provisions of your alcohol regulations indicated that a change in the description of the license plate on premises requires approval prior to permit it this is a little bit different as counsel indicated earlier it would be appropriate if for example if there was going to be an expansion of the perimeter that was requested typically it would be a licensed premises that was looking to expand into a parking lot looking to add a deck looking to add a patio that was not otherwise within the perimeter of the licensed premises that's my read on the regulation and the application here in this instance that i know the request of the building came in before the the hearing here on one on alteration what is critical however is young standing that there will be no certificate of occupancy issued until after you know review and approval of their alteration so to some extent they proceed at their own risk in so far as as and as engaging in all of the building that's required obviously and wanted to run up to the more discussion amongst ourselves and the board motion carries five to zero thank you very much  running a little bit behind so we had already opened up the seven twenty five hearing but still how at the moon user th about i did i don't bring any posters thank you like that but i'm obviously we are looking to amend our entertainment license strictly on thursdays for our from an eight o'clock star to a six o'clock start  in an effort to capture some of the walking around and comings that people are doing in patriot place in that six o'clock hour versus eight o'clock and later found that it's it's fairly tough to get people to come out there's a night that late so we're looking to start a little bit earlier in hopes of grabbing them while they're leaving gillette stadium leave waste management or any of the places around there are just walking around from eight o'clock comes in a clock down to seven six o'clock you know it's just just on thursday operation is moving pretty smooth i understand the request i think the request does make sense given that the nature of the business that occurs that the so i think thursday night they have any earlier day that also that could coincide with thursday night game as basis the operation in terms of public safety has approved each additional month as the staff has got to learn a little bit more about massachusetts laws and regulations and especially with a lot of the team came from other parts of the country and i felt that this change in ours in particular on a thursday night doesn't present any challenges or safety issues for our community ok thank you thursday friday and saturday were the license days but in addition they're also licensed on what's called a stadium event day so that there is the possibility of their operation continuing on other than a thursday friday or saturday depending upon the speed him schedule this affects on thursdays this request your respective other event days ok thank you open up to the board for questions menu you know a lot of kids going there and then an appropriate hour it would turn into a night club which is the it was actually supposed to be how with the moon entertainers and and i don't recall that actually how with the moon club it's moved into the but the thing is that the reason eight o'clock was chosen was because that was the time when one night clubs would really fire up in the you know the the families would have had dinner and gone home so are you saying that your leave and we had a long discussion on how you ask the kids to leave are you saying that you know if you move that up we're going to actually ask the kids to leave or ask the families to leave that are i mean dependent on i would say on our our license i think we are required to of the show starts the twenty one another i'm not mistaken so in that effort on thursdays i would love to allow the families  entertain and i don't think we're asking we're not you know with the show starting i think we're looking at it more as a live entertainment aspect to want to accompany our building at six o'clock we're not looking for you know we're not going to the the nightclub aspect of it it's more of having some having a live entertainment ability for people walking by with the garage door open they can hear it and come in and listen to it or what not not they have no i don't want to say they're not more it's not going to be a nightclub scene at six i don't want to say a tamer show but they'll play more of you know seventies eighties song requests stuff people want to hear they're not going to you know you're not going to have him playing any rapper i want to say not any rap but you're not going to play things that you typically wouldn't hear the entertainment starts at at eight o'clock then it becomes a different the whole scene is different becomes twenty you know you have twenty twenty one and all that and the whole way the whole idea of when we've allowed the licensing of splitsville how with the moon was just a portion pushing up this seems like on thursday you want wag the dog it's the entertainment license you would greed that it would be thursday friday saturday at at eight o'clock and that was what was i mean it was pushed that it was the splitsville was the family entertainment and then an eight o'clock on thursdays friday and says a the how the moon would look let's face it predominate so i'm not comfortable with changing that because what you had agreed to is thursday friday said a having the live entertainment how at the moment the other the other times it would be splitsville the family bowing air then i mean i think if you look at our overall weekly hours i mean i think we're still the family bowling alley with great food entertainment we you know when summer comes up when school lets out will open at eleven every day of the week you know right now we open up for just because kids are in school more than i love and so i think you know the addition of two after hours i don't think when you're when you're only when you're open from eleven to twelve or one seven days a week i don't think that's turning the concept on thursdays the tail is not wagging it when you're still you're still operating the same family friendly bowling alley just one out of the week starting two hours earlier that would know it means a six o'clock you turn it into the night club area you know instead of any couldn't instead of eight o'clock because you were you'd have to do is stat the eight o'clock type activity at six which means the way you do business in that changes it's under test be over twenty one so i mean i wouldn't look at those two hours as changing the whole the whole operation although i would look at it as what we are changing thursdays but i think monday tuesday wednesday saturday sunday friday you're operating the same way i mean i looked at this  schedules in the close the schedule i can see matching up pay to place would be a billet was st louis and they are monday tuesday wednesday i think it was st louis and  we had agreed to and what splitsville had agreed to was a thursday friday said eight o'clock and six o'clock on thursday so there is a friday said eight o'clock there was a lot of discussion about this there was a lot of concern a lot of time put in put it to six o'clock and now you have the ability to close think the last four lanes that are that are over by the entertainment center so you can actually isolate those those two hours we  planes one through four you could put anybody who's on twenty one up there as well and you would you honestly wouldn't even know the entertainment was going on down there unless you're watching the t v or or listen to the music and there's different ways to go about it license from the beginning but you can make changes based upon experience that is the history that we have so far based upon the request to keep in your mind always that your job as a licensing you and i believe we're going to invite them in and have them give an update on how things are going and stuff it up with that haven't happened but i think they're asking for they're not expanding their liquor they're not saying they want crazy drinks they just want entertainment two hours earlier so i've been up there several times i've actually won one of the parties that you know we can bring all our friends to and the party itself has to start a little bit later and i get out early and i'd rather go to a party earlier on a thursday night than i would at eight o'clock because most of you know i'm in bed by now so so i suppose what the two hours additional for a thursday night thank you you no one else from the audience any more questions from the board so once we close this hearing the back and forth with the applicant would have to stop  being different from without us or a few but i might have been wrong but i did see that some of them started for quads and those are those are the ones like down in orlando which is you know that's the time twenty four hours days so you can i can understand that opening you know him four o'clock opening and then think i can understand but one of the things i heard they heard that was interesting was the fact that if they could actually segregate concern that we talked about that before bill in the segregation actually was supposed to be you know a noticeable partition and it's the curtain on one side and that's it you know the segregation physical segregation the i mean there is a compromise of sectioning off the lanes but there's also and we have the choice of saying no yes or maybe there's a compromise going from eight o'clock to six o'clock which may be too early but is there a consideration reason to clock this you have to go from eight o'clock to seven o'clock you know the families a little more time than dinner time and then it's a little closer to eight but i also sat through those hearings and it was one discussion i think you know when it went to business comes to us and says that there's something there that we can do to help them out to help generate more business in the world to take steps machine after even if it's on a trial basis i think we have the we have the input from the chief who sees no issue with it i don't see why we should make the chief's comments and basically i think we should we should take that under advisement you know help help the local business of trying track more business which in they've been a good business they haven't had any issues i think we should help support them you know i kind of agree with with dave i was on the border there i respect all that you guys went through  they've been open for a year schieffer said they've got a perfect track record you know it's it's as each month they get better and better and it's a it's a business in foxborough and if the business wants to try to tweak things a little bit to improve business i think we have to say yes to but this was the delay this was the splitsville and what this is doing it's opening up for a couple extra hours the secondary area the howl at the moon that was not the license was not given to howl at the moon the license was given to him just before he said i'll never shut someone off from speaking but the audience a part of the public hearing was close i just can't have you bring new information in and so with regard every every business has a different business strategy and for example toby keith doesn't have live entertainment until nine thirty mar louie will have a dish jockey starting at a later time  if it's variable i don't perceive that bringing in the hours earlier her it's general public safety in the area and if they were coming in and say boy we want to start the entertainment at nine and finish it one let's say a saturday night or friday same i think it is if it's for clarification it is not new information but yeah i think the question is the letter that you sent then was in can you open from six o'clock rather than eight o'clock but the closing hours stay the same  but that is a business model you're asking to stat early to get the early business so why why would the people who are there why would they expect him to tame to be until twelve thirty the regular time you want to open early to accommodate some people come early but the people who are expecting the same entertainment friday and saturday at the same time why would you why would they expect to be  entertaining closing down early they wouldn't and as a business model you wouldn't do that either because you would have the people are in the are you going to keep them in there as long as they can you just asking to open early so weather so if i can make this is a gesture because there's a lot of uncertainty on the hours right now in where we specifically did ask for splitsville how of the moon to come back once they've been running to let us know how it's hearing to a later date i would like yet continue or extend it i will make a motion to extend the public hearing to our next force like which would be  also stayed because the firm has been working with the company of a j dooley to actually work on a new contract that they've been working on with  of the club residential commercial collection and recycling that the goal is to have this in place by july i want we're still working on the final finalizing that agreement and we're also anxious to try and get to a point we can actually close in all the details between discussed prima prior to the contract it was a fact that there is no waste holly regulation in the town and as such i've been working with with the with the board the director of public health the  agreed to work with us and provided some guidance on how to develop such a regulation so i've given you a draft regulation this evening that's that's been a culmination of a lot of work for the past several months that the purpose of the regulation is to actually provide a certain level of protection for the public safety for the community and also types of pursuits is to establish some clear guidelines for any person who who hire who's who pickett's a permit to how trash or recycling through t within our community so we're working through those those pieces i actually did solicit the input of mr dooley in this company to to see if they had any thoughts about the regulation as we proposed that his  number of his ideas were actually incorporated into the regulation so his help and his thoughts were actually well to well taken well pointed out so what we have is a is a collaborative process that we've evolved to which which is complicated and this talk with you have before you tonight i'm not asking the boy to approve this and i just want you to review it and then if you have comments i we can actually probably finalize it on the knife at the next meeting but i just want to say that it's been a very good process of creation of all the work that companies and as such that raise was not going to change the one thing that's important for the residents to know is that mr dooley has agreed to continue doing the service of even that russell was proposing and has been doing for quite a long obviously i think at one point his model will try to evolve into a more model is used to doing but i think at the for the time being so if it becomes seamless to the residents that the process will continue to be as they have they've seen little or so without with your permission i years and he's been involved with this are from the beginning and you know as i was to keep it said you know it's been a good process going through and we're getting towards the final stages of it and we look forward to questions from the board how does this has this help you grow your business well i would say over the last three years it's been quite an interesting unique situation you know i went out and and really worked my tail off and fought to get the just over twenty two hundred customers that we have right now we base off of that there's about forty to forty two hundred homes that they could have been out there and you know we worked out but of n we we got over the half percent and you know getting the rest of it will it will help i mean you know there's a reason why companies going i mean why towns offer municipal contracts because you know if you're picking up every single house then there's more profits there there's more you can give a better price there's a lot of things that go into it that and you know us getting to that point is important for the town and it's important for us so it will help drive it will help  very difficult business and it's very competitive business one of the things that does provide those offered to us to do in this company is a fact that he can now say he actually collects for the tie community which is something that he does in portions and so all the time so now he can actually compete for contracts in other communities as well we haven't had that experience fully as so we have not had minutes but we experience a pilot i've been in this my whole life and we're fourth generation but so i've been i've literally owned and operated do a disposal for seventeen years i know i look really young but i sure we've been at this folk white a while but yeah i mean now you know we will have the municipal experience going forward you know  important to us there's not you know there's no phone call that we don't get back to you know email that we don't get back to i mean we're only as good as the residents in the town of foxborough every phone call every email matters to us every customer matters to us and that nothing's going to change there you know we're going to add more customers it's going to be you know we're going to have to work harder but in other than that it's the same old thing well i mean in that respect i think it's it's it's healthy for the consumer it's good for you i think it's a good relationship i think  and that's you know it's a win win i've got a couple of different questions some on the rules and regs and some of the trash in the trash end of it with russell's cost made an agreement with him so you're basically buying out is trash side of the foxboro business we're still working on it right i mean so i really don't want to get into too much at this cause i mean it you know we're not completely there yet we've got christmas but that is correct and then on to trash and recycling trash and recycle then on the town side we will have a contract with a j yes we will basically take over russell's obligation to fulfil the  he's service in those three then a couple of questions on these regulations i know from doing work in other towns dumpster areas like at an apartment building or a school i noticed you know that to be screened on of other communities they have to be on a cement slab and i don't see that in here is that something that is that a state regulate in the morning you know i would think that that's something that it would be i certainly wouldn't be on us that we would the dumpsters had to be on the cement that not the which you know roll off ones if you you know clean it and use basement or whatever but here you know weekly dumpsters like either at the schools and i know most of the schools are or apartment buildings or stuff like that so know i think the permit ing now anybody that comes through town do they have to have a trash permit now anybody who who actually does business and has to have a yes but also you will be absorbing the russell customers so be a j do we observing the rescue customers but that doesn't mean that if your favorite trash pick up is waste management and you live in i would think that hopefully this whole this all of this is gets sealed up in in you know everything gets taken care of in the next couple of days as far as the deal that we're working on and they will have you know in the only thing that by choice in the town was the one that the town has to want it was great all the money for that right at the time whereas now the town's not getting their money for the stickers right so we you know what i'm saying is we wanted there if you you know for the on when we transition this right now it's july first and when that happens the color of the sticker is going to change ok and the hope is that the hope is that in the next week this is all hashed out and like a j said we will to get a letter out that gives the consumer the customer four weeks notice what i would say is that we have discussed with our counsel the opportunity to possibly have a grace period whereby if somebody has been hoarding a roster sticker we will allow them to redeem that but that that is not out but that is on the table and it's a talking point right now as we would be that cost one or you know we would be eating the cost in the last you know we negotiated with ross for some kind of inventory and some kind of hold back and i my i'm your customer that's seen you doing tremendous work for three years with the clean up day and if you don't dumpster you've donated but have been asked a question we go on in the direction that could be a monopoly so five years from now  municipalities ok over a period of time for the donor so for every customer i would lose because i turn into bad n j i would only be hurting myself i need the customers to offset what i am paying or otherwise this deal wouldn't happen and just so everyone understands is this this situation that we're really in is if this in this is a win win one hundred percent because if this didn't happen the way it happened would never most likely ever be a contract in the town of foxborough ever again because back three years ago there was a quote out of the trash business and from that day on they really could have been out of the trash business but we have this unique situation where someone is willing to commit and in still take care of the residents of the town give them a good fair price at your risk at my risk and that's why it's truly win win and you know i hope that everyone has the faith in me that i'm having in them in this whole thing works out that i think the bottom line is is that we've had this conversation is that the market will dictate if in fact he's being unfair with the residents in the heat they'll go somewhere else and that really hurts thanks a j thank you thank you   as well being the president of the mass which is service officers organization so you notice a lot of those flags were new that was one of my eagle scouts his ceremony that was just about a month or so ago  and as i'm sure they'll be another eagle scout that i want to add more flags you know when i was in scouts mike and i talked about you know increasing that to it it really is it's pretty impressive to see present our troop took kind of took the lead on helping the v f w about three or four years ago they were getting up there in age and they couldn't get too many people to go so it was always my to people that would put them out daniel st laurent stop and shop with gratitude of a fifty dollars gift certificate to be used toward food purchased by instructor for a nutrition class at the senior sort of second motion made in second and further discussion on the gift a standing account with the town right then and there letters i mean that the summary is downtown design guidelines of guide the views of construction of properties in downtown and bringing business into downtown so that's kind of goes in and any when you get a apartment building permit for thirty seven he didn't drive which is going to the playing board in the two thousand and fifteen corporate training course and actually the site plan for the new town hall is now filed in that hearing is coming up there is there is a thursday night so anyone interested in going to see the town hall site plan review of the playing board