good evening everyone welcome to the continuation of this regularly scheduled meeting of the whole city council council did go into open session up stairs for the purpose of going into a closed session for the purpose of reviewing pending litigation  as was announced upstairs that was the only item that was discussed we adjourned out of that closed session into this open session so the balance of our agenda remains to be taken care of aside from a roll call which we did to make sure we had a quorum to do the work upstairs that we did that leads us then to the two items that always follow our opening roll call vote and that is first the prayer this evening which will be led by the mayor pro tem bob end of us see immediately thereafter followed by the pledge of allegiance to the flag so i would invite everyone in chambers to join us in both of those items almighty god our heavenly father send upon we who hold office in this city the spirit of wisdom charity and justice that with steadfast purpose we may faithfully serve in our offices to promote god indivisible with liberty and justice for a right thank you bob that then takes us to item three which is the consent agenda you will find if you're in chambers tonight that there are copies of this evening's agenda i believe these two usually are in the rack in the rear of the room and you're invited to take one of those if however you are either watching at home or on some sort of computer stick device somewhere in the world you can also find all the materials that we not only will be considering tonight on the agenda but also the background materials we've reviewed in preparation for this evening's meeting at the city of holland's website city of holland dot com you can go to the agenda and meeting item tab not really tab but space on the home page of the city of holland's website and you can click there and find all the material council has reviewed in preparation for the evening for those in chambers and that we also have wi fi in the room so if you have a device you'd like to follow along with you're more than welcome to do that as well you'll note as you review the agenda there are certain items that are marked with an asterix next to them these are on the consent agenda the consent agenda is designed to let us take care of all these items with one motion one vote regardless of where they appear on the agenda we think they're relatively routine and we intend to do so with one motion and one vote you however may not think they're so routine and what we will do is have a listing a reading of this evening's current consent agenda items then i'll give the audience an opportunity to remove an item from consent if you'd so desire to do so or members of council can remove one or more items from the consent agenda as well so if you would kindly read for us what presently is on consent i would appreciate item five two to approve the minutes of the study session held on september twenty sixth two thousand and twelve and regular meeting hel two thousand and thirteen item fourteen a one to accept the bid submitted by pro tem inc in the amount of twenty three thousand two hundred thirty dollars for the purchase and installation of a new heating boiler for the wastewater treatment plant and approve or transfer from contingency to the capital fund for said purchase item fourteen the one in item nineteen a to accept and place on first reading of ordinances the amendments to section thirty nine dash three fifty fo and section thirty nine dash three fifty nine regarding signage in the c two highway commercials own district with final hearing scheduled for february sixth regular council meeting item fourteen d refer claims filed against the city to the city's insurance carrier and city attorney for consideration item fortini one point one two approve the low bid submitted by specialized demolition in the amount of eight thousand dollars for the demolition of structures at one hundred sixty sixteenth street and that this be funded through the municipal capital improvement program with funds transferred from the general fund contingency item fourteen e two point one to approve the agreement without a count for the provision of the two thousand and thirteen sentence work abate program funded through the park since i materie division budget subject to approval as to form by the city attorney item fourteen e two point two to authorize the director of parks recreation and transportation to execute the two thousand and thirteen entertainment contracts for the friday night concert series i would import teenie two point three to authorize  windmill design and construction levy to order wood and necessary components for the repair of the does one will windmill that initial payment not to exceed fifty thousand dollars with the amount of thirty nine thousand to be taken from the wind island municipal capital projects fund and eleven thousand from the general fund contingency and to authorize staff to develop a final contract for the provision of the materials item fourteen e three point one two approve the low bid submitted by parkway electric in the amount to sixty thousand seven hundred forty dollars for the phase three technology improvements to the council chambers and that twenty thousand be transferred from the sea a t v fund balance item fourteen e's three point two two approved fiscal year two thousand and thirteen budget appropriation adjustments from respective accounts and authorize the finance director to make the necessary transfers i fortini three point three to accept the december two thousand and twelve monthly financial reports as presented i don't fourteen e four point one to approve the purchase of three l three flashback two in car video camera systems in the amount not to exceed thirteen thousand six hundred thirty five dollars for cruisers of the pope public safety police division with one thousand four hundred seventy one of set amount to be funded through the two thousand and twelve two thousand and thirteen justice assistance grant found in that the remainder from the approved fiscal year two thousand and twelve thirteen budget item fourteen a five point two to schedule a public hearing on the requested p a one ninety eight tax abatement application for metal standard corporation and wayne state the very six two thousand and thirteen council meeting and that the deputy city clerk publishing mailed the required notice says i did fourteen eve five point three to approve the appointment of phil meyer director of community and neighborhood services and chief master public safety services director to the border review for the two thousand and thirteen calendar year and item fourteen eve five point four to approve an agreement with hal and hospital center for good health for the two thousand and thirteen employee wellness classes and that the general city share be funded from the city's employees health insurance fund subject to approval last a form by the city attorney thank you and it's almost like the state of a state address tonight or  maybe a hope calvin basketball game with all the items that are on consent easy that round of us is there anyone in the audience who would care to remove an item from the consent agenda and the one from council care to remove one or more items from consent pleasure of council on the revised consent agenda moved by truly supported by the board is there any discussion on this seeing none please call the role of peter's church yes band about  trial period matter that was tabled at our last meeting we first need someone to remove this item from the table to replace back on the floor so moved moved by hoekstra supported by two or three all in favor of doing so please say i opposed all right it's back on the floor ryan we turn to you for any introductory comments on it before action thank you thank you mayor jackson members of the city council i presented a report on this for mainly for public consumption because you've seen it several times before i realized i would have some learn just as tonight so  i'll make this shorter than otherwise but simply this is a follow up from the july eighteenth approval of the council of a community energy strategy approach and september seventeenth the formulation of t forces charged with accomplishing four elements of the community energy strategies one element is education and outreach and as you see on the screen there are seven goals associated with that strategy and all of which can be fostered and furthered it with the with the community website so there's been some discussion with how a new tech and with other educational parties in the in the area and it's been determined that an understanding with pollen newtek would be an appropriate way to proceed involving students in creation of web content and beginning from the current your community your decision i think website but broadening to include all voices in the community having to do with energy and the community energy strategies the cost would be not to exceed four thousand dollars the board works we'll share fifty percent in that cost and it's for a trap period of six months to see how it goes our technology department will be involved and will assist in as needed and also  you can you can see a little bit how the current look is that's these actual banner from the current website but it'll be revised of course given your approval tonight i'll just say that  brian davis has been part of this conversation the school superintendent is supportive and be happy to answer any questions any questions for the city manager seeing and we already have the motion to approve this matter is there any further discussion yes peter's bert's yes yes motion path thank you takes us to item ten adoption of ordinances tonight we have a matter before us for section thirty nine dash one ninety eight dealing with the residential infill regulation as well as the section thirty nine one ninety nine dealing with central park neighborhoods special exception proposed ordinance we've had a lot of discussion about this already but we will turn first of all to fill myer director of community neighborhood services to briefly introduce our topic this evening and also provide some updated information to us all feel good evening yeah good evening thank you mayor this is a second reading on a recommendation from the planning commission for some amendments to our infill presidential infill zoning ordinance just a bit of background on that probably in one nine hundred ninety eight or thereabouts the city adopted a residential infill ordinance and mischel he was applied to our central neighborhoods it was an ordinance intended to assure that new development new houses or houses moved into the central neighborhoods were compatible with the existing neighborhood and there are a variety of standards in the ordinance that speak to that compatibility probably six or seven years ago that ordinance was extended to the central park neighborhood and that's the area bounded by east and west and drives the village in the lake mack this came up again this past year came up as an issue with the planning commission that the our current ordinance applies just to residential development residential houses and there were some concerns in this neighborhood about the changing character of the neighborhood and concerns about possible intrusive development in the form of perhaps larger residential structures but as much  residential structures so the planning commission took a look at this there were issues related to some of the activities and expansion of activities that had occurred over a period of time with the central park chapel in the neighborhood some of the neighboring property owners with some concerns about issues around that but also concern about some commercial properties that are within this residential neighborhood  what the planning commission has before them is a proposal i'm sorry with city council has before you is a proposal to add nine residential buildings in addition to existing nine residential buildings into the infill review  to create a special exception provision that will address trying to maintain that existing residential character and scale as i mentioned there is an ordinance now that looks at infi for residential properties this expands it to the nine residential properties within this neighborhood and goes a little further in stating that new construction or expansions that take you over twenty five hundred square feet  on a property also triggers a special exception review this would be by the board of appeals and there are some standards laid out in the in the proposed ordinance for that there are we've we've reviewed this a number of times with city council there are a couple of minor amendments that if i can get to the computer t i'll take the there you go you got it ok a couple of minor amendments that have been added following discussion with the city attorney's office and you see these on the page in front of you this is section thirty nine one ninety nine c one b in that section there is currently a reference notwithstanding subsection currently says be one a that was essentially it was it was a typo it should have read see section and then section thirty nine one ninety nine c three a this is a change that would add the language and uses associated with such structures so that the section would read the applicant has established that the proposed structure or expanded structure including any seasonal temporary or accessory structures uses associated with such structures will not adversely affected jason joining properties with respect to the emission of transmission of noise smoke dirt litter odor vibration light player traffic congestion ease of routine emergency services drainage erosion lighting ventilation surface and ground water quality overcrowding a person sanitation property values general appearance and character and other similar considerations this is in that special exception provision and the zoning board of appeals would be reviewing with with these issues in mind i can stop there or i can answer any questions council might have council have any questions for m all right seeing that this item has been noticed for a public hearing this evening and this is the time for that public hearing rules of counsel are really quite simple all we ask is that your step forward to the microphone so that everyone both in chambers and at home can hear what you have to say state your name and residential address for the record and council rules permit up to five minutes to speak on an item with that i will declare the public hearing open and anyone is invited to address council on this matter good evening and welcome thank you good evening to you thank you for the opportunity to speak with you this evening my name is lisa are bori and i live at five five four elm drive in central park  mayor council members i thank you for this opportunity i'm going to express my support for the infield regulation amendments proposed thirty nine dash one ninety eight and thirty nine dash one ninety nine with the amendments noted this evening i believe that these are vitally important to the neighborhood of central park and the city of holland and i have expressed this chew you previously in e mails form  over the last few months there's been a lot of recent press about this amendment and i want to say from the very beginning that i'm not here to talk about the chapel i'm here to ask you to take a look at the bigger picture and i am concerned about the future development for this residential community and the impact that non residential property has on that character and the value of the community i bought my home in central park because of the nature of that community the narrow streets the small lots the density of homes the newer ones the older ones the  appreciate the manageable scale and the nurture and the nurturing that goes on there i will retire there and i plan to restore the house to its former one nine hundred twenty s glory taking off aluminum siding and opening up the patio again on the front porch i'm concerned about the property values i believe that these infill ordinance will serve to protect and hopefully enhance the local property values my home is directly across from the motel so i'm hopeful that the ordinances that the ordinance that you are looking at will and will help in the new growth or new whatever comes for the future to those structures  right now i am looking across the street at the dumpster in front of the hotel at some point in the future i hope not to be looking at a parking lot or a gas station or a convenience store infill amendments will support and allow for new structures that but new structures that are sympathetic to the surrounding residences it will does not deny them change will happen and the challenge is how to manage that change so that the integrity of the community can be retained there is community support for this in phil if you look at the maps that are on the screens here there are fourteen city blocks that comprise central park and within that region or within this community there are ninety seven residences and seventeen mixed use lots at the last city council meeting petitions were presented from the neighborhood which included twenty two supporting signatures for the infill and today i have brought to city council an additional twenty signatures i've noted on the map the dark gray areas are where the signatures came from so if there was any concern that this was a community response just a one one area just to the chapel it is throughout the community i think that's a really important thing to know  a question has also been raised about full time residents versus seasonal residents to which i must respond that i believe everybody who has purchased land and has homes in this community is dedicated to it whether they live there full time or whether they spend their their vacation time their summers their weekends in that in this area we all pay our taxes those of us who don't live full time actually pay more in taxes for the privilege of that community i think the city has also recognized that this is an important community we have the nineteen or the two thousand and thirteen calendar and i'm a features to pictures that are from the central park area this is an important community for holland it is one of the many unique areas in the city that the city in fact promotes to the region and to the state and to the surrounding states you've really worked to nurture these kinds of communities and i hope that you will continue with that action  this evening i commend the city's planning commission and the office of the city planners for their work their efforts to really listen to everybody and to come up with creative and i think really viable and doable  ordinances that hopefully will assure that this community will continue to grow but will also maintain its unique character in closing i ask that you please vote yes  thank you very much just as a matter of clarification phil the map that is on the screen right now was that provided by mr borg yes it was ok if i thought that's what what i was hearing i want to make sure that that was the case ok great thank you the microphone remains open the public hearing is still open i have lived in the south park area on a ave for over thirty years and i have to say is that the it's the love of the character of the neighborhood and the characters that reside there that have has kept me there i was fortunate when i left lifesavers to own my house outright i could have moved back east and the my mother or it could have bought a condo and moved out of the neighborhood but i opted to stay because of the character of the neighborhood it is a fun neighborhood into my the neighborhoods and one of the few in the city i believe  adopt a dog with social issues and have her socialized by the neighbors simply because they are just great and they love dogs that's one of the pluses about it and i think that with the current info regulations we keep it that way the amendment would also and to that and i think that's the other thing it's about is that we see the growth of that south shore area also going over to the south side of south shore with the market there we want to keep that market there so we want to protect them as well and that's why it would be nice to have we can have more say on what would go into a motel never goes out that's one of the things that you know you support what you have you want to keep it going that's one of the things i believe that the adoption of the amendment essentially a safeguard for the neighbors so that we do have one last say it gives us another step to express our opinions because we have seen a lot of people put in houses that are just somewhat out of character with the neighborhood in that's over and done with the infield has protected us and i think and i think that was the whole plan at the n f l at this time as well when it first started in central park was to protect the neighborhood from a structure that was going to be over ten thousand square feet people visit the area quietness and the charm of it as well and that's what the neighborhood is known for it is one of the last bastions of keeping a cottage quaintness in the city and i request that all the city council members support the amendment thank you thank you still on good evening hi good evening bill circle one one three three myrtle court i'm the attorney for central park chapel i also represent a number of property owners within central park neighborhood as well so a  couple things that i want to comment on first just just for clarification and a reminder and that is i think when we look at the petitions that have been filed there's been petitions filed by both sides and i think it's clear that this is very much a divided issue this is not an issue of just t central park chapel versus the residence it's not an issue of the commercial property owners versus the residential property owners there is a difference of opinion among all the residential owners within central park neighborhood and so i just want to make that clear that this is not a one side against the other but that within the within the residential property owners that there is a dispute in that we've seen that by the petitions have been filed by both sides and i think that was reflective in the planning commission vote and also in some of the opinions that we've seen in some of the previous meetings here at city council the other issue is kind of a clarification and just to kind of reiterate what the chappells position is as well as some of my other clients who are in residential property in the area i think when we look at the proposed amendments  as mr meyer indicated at the outset they really try to accomplish two things the first is to expand the existing infill regulations to nonresidential properties and that's accomplished under thirty nine one ninety eight the other provision is thirty nine one ninety nine which adds a whole new layer of requirements to both residential and nonresidential property owners from the chappells perspective they desire to be a good neighbor i think they've done that over the past number of years and i think they recognize that any construction that takes place within the neighborhood should be in harmony and in character with the neighborhood and in that regard there really is not an objection to the provisions in there thirty nine one ninety eight and applying those to non residential properties i think that they would recognize that that that would be a good thing for the neighborhood it would be supportive of that i think the concern comes in when we try to add this new layer of requirements and that's the thirty nine one ninety nine provisions and that's where the concern really comes in i think when we look at the infill regulations the city has had these in place for a number of years they've served the city well and they've accomplished what they've wanted to for a number of years specifically in a central park neighborhood for the last six years they've accomplished that with regard to residential properties i think mr young even pointed out that that's been effective in the central park neighborhood so i think the question we have is why not just apply thirty nine one ninety eight to nine residential property owners those provisions contain protections about scale proportion height and i think that accomplishes what the people have been talking about why do we need the additional regulations from thirty nine one ninety nine and what is it that we're going to gain from that obviously i think what it does is make it much more unlikely that any construction would take place in that regard but why not allow that procedure thirty nine hundred ninety eight to go forward we already have a provision in there where if there is a concern a property owner can request a public hearing by the planning commission the planning commission can review it so we do have the opportunity for public comment why add the second layer with his e p a to that so i think that's really where the concern comes from so thank you mr circle if i just make sure i'm hearing you correctly  you're ok with i do want to say what i'm hearing you say is you have less concern with the the application of the infill ordinance to non residential properties it's the twenty five hundred square foot issue that that is most concerning correct and just for example i think if you look at it i think last last meeting there was a question well look this ordinance isn't going to affect programming so why does the chapel care what is it that that the chapel is concerned with and i don't know much time i have but just for from past history they want to ask you questions you can time ok well the concern is several years ago there was an issue with some canopies that were that had been on the chapel from the beginning of time and these canopies the church desire to do a renovation they applied for a building permit to reap to remodel the canopies the permit was applied for and that day the contractor took the canopies downhaul over the permit had not yet been granted as soon as that happen a concerned neighbor contacted the city the city then said from a timing perspective you're not going to be allowed to put the canopies back up that has been a concern from the chapel for a number of years they very much would like to restore the chapel to the original design and restore those canopies the concern is with this provision in the twenty five hundred square foot requirement that that would make that exceedingly difficult to do so that's that's why we're there but i think that whole situation was an example of how you know a technicality can be carried out to an end that maybe it wasn't intended to in the first instance so i think that's what the concern is the chapel does not have some master plan to expand into some mega church they're not looking to become central leslie and are not looking to become cry some more ial they're very happy with the size that they are now and being able to continue to serve the people that come but that's a concern that somehow at some point something might change or make that more difficult it's great thank you very much a public hearing is still open if you want to talk on this just feel free at your when someone's finished to start making your way forward there's no real formal way that you take names numbers sort of thing so good evening and welcome evening bill sweats and i love it ten seventy five south shore spoken new prior but just to refresh your memory been attending the chapel for thirty years and i have been a board member there for the last seven years and also a past president but i'm also here representing myself as a past resident of central park i don't have property in on west and for fifteen years and five years ago sold that and are now living just a couple blocks to the east of central park so central park is very intimate to me it's one of my running running routes i love it love the charm as described over here is a very very special place the cottage i owned was quite it was a very small small i called it my doll house and and loved it but i think the chapel is also part of the fabric of central park it's been there for over one hundred years and you've got quaint little cottages surrounding now  beautiful green area of what we use occasionally is parking lots but it looks like a park and a quaint victorian old white clapboard chapel kind of part of the whole picture and it's been there a long time so i am  really in support of the chapel and the think the reason why i came up here to comment is this is a big change in this neighborhood and i feel that the changes been created or is being proposed really to try to constrict the chapel and to constrict building codes and expansion abilities and just changes to homeowners properties just as a means to try to constrict the chapel that's existed there for over one hundred years i think is the wrong way to go about this has all been started by unfortunately a couple three neighbors that we have that you know have some frustrations with this and this isn't the forum to get into that but but i just feel that it would be a shame to vote this change in and constrict homeowners who both live on the lake with a very expensive property as well as living just off the in a very quaint neighborhood and to make that construction when it's really driven by to try to constrict a chapel and also i think it's unfortunate that claims are  made that there's concerns over an ever expanding chapel the chapel building occupies the same footprint it has occupied for one hundred years the building itself is exactly the same other than just repairs and things we've tried to do to keep it up and make it look good the only thing that's really changed is we've we've bought parking lots but we bought parking lots because neighbors complained that the cars on the streets were making it difficult so we're on parking lots but we kept the parking lots and we fought to make the parking lots grass because it's much more pretty and beautiful than a bunch of asphalt and in a quaint neighborhood like  this the only building that we added is a bathroom only because we felt a little better than a ford a potty in a closet in a nursery just a very small building so that's the only expansion this occurred the construction that occurred that was mentioned by bill was merely to repair a rotting foundation and canopies that were falling down and potentially dangerous what was going up was really to be exactly the way it was before other than we expanded the patio not to expand seating but just merely to make a better walkway for people going around the building so i ask you to really consider this and make sure that the motive of making these big changes are is made for the right reason if there is a big neighborhood effort that wants to constrict these codes i haven't seen it but if there isn't then let's hear from them and then make that decision based on that but i haven't heard good evening and welcome my name is lisa sram and i am currently serving as the president of the central park chapel borg if you could just put your residential address for the record and then south shore drive thank you very much the central park chapel was built in one thousand over three on its current site the building likely predates over ninety percent of the homes and cottages and central park cottagers and residents met on the porch of john stryker one of the cottage owners for well over one hundred ten years people have been worshipping on sundays in central park this represents a very important part of the character of the central park neighborhood a character that you as a council have talked about preserving two weeks ago council member jay peters asked if the proposal change to the zoning regulations would affect the operations of the chapel the answer was currently no the chapel has not changed its building operations to any significant degree in nearly a century and it has and has no current plans to make any changes to its structure or to its operations however new regulations are passed every year in the city four years ago which bill mentioned the chapel lost a very important on the north side but because of the zoning regulations and because of our neighbors they will not let us put it back on two or three years ago the city pas a noise ordinance and for the first time in its history the chapel was asked to obtain a broadcasting permit from the city manager to use a microphone and speakers something that they had used for decades without a permit and without complaint something that almost every church in holland has the chapel did not change its operation the city changed it regulations mr kite and his girlfriend had stated to us on numerous occasions that they plan to fight our permit to use a microphone and speaker we are literally one city manager decision away each year from significant changes of our operation if this were to occur and we would lose our permit to have speakers we would be forced to make structural changes to the chapel to accommodate this change in order to continue our operations and our worship services unfortunately if this is owning change passes tonight structural changes might not be an option for us in the future to summarize the chapel is very interested in preserving the character of the central park neighborhood for over  hundred years actually it's one hundred ten years this year plus the years that they were shipped on strikers porch we have been in the central part of the character of this neighborhood and we asked the council to be very very careful and passing new regulations that may adversely affect our sunday worship services and operations that have been an important part of the history of this city and of this central park neighborhood there is more to the character of a neighborhood than the size of its building and if you inadvertently affect the operation of the chapel you have done more damage to the character of the neighborhood than what you are trying to preserve fall i wish that you would really prayerfully consider your welcome i'm christie vanderpool jury and kathy jo and could that be here this evening but they wanted just to say a few things and i'm just representing them in these are their words that i'm reading for them the work of the planning commission is appreciated as well as those recommendations of the city council we feel that the ordinances will help protect the is existing khadijah character of central park neighborhood from residential and  residential development that could be detrimental to the character of the neighborhood they also feel that the regulations should apply to all of the structures for them to be meaningful the council people have also said that their neighborhood is fragile and should be saved what these ordinances do is to provide transparency and honesty so that building plans can be reviewed and it would allow for neighborhood input they feel that the proposal should be adapted to help preserve the cutter's dail neighborhood in the future and should apply to all structures and not just the chapel thank you thank you people come to these weddings you could have four hundred but you choose the small small beautiful quiet neighborhood that my children grew up you know they also took away took off by boat and we were extremely extremely cautious and careful of the neighbors david and gretchen vogel saying live just down the street we made sure we stayed on the street we stayed on their lawn and we we really did not bother the neighborhood i just want you to know that the members of the chapel who attend there are extremely anxious and off the neighbors and we respect that but let's not put regulations again that will inhibit anything that the chapel without really changing we have no plans to change the chapel but the awning still bothers me again as i said before when i spoke to you i've worked on the cultural commission for many years and we see we work very diligently to actually save lighthouse poles and things of that sort to let's keep that the character but let's not please suffer suffocate us with regula  addressing the commercial aspect or the concerns of those properties and since one resident brought up some concerns in that vein does see one as it exists if the transaction happens hotel properties across the street whatever that that could still remain let me make sure that and i think we've gone through this with accounts on a couple of occasions but  these two sections essential cover buildings ok they they do not cover uses per se you have to be a permitted use in the zone district or you have to be a legal non conforming use in the zone district so what is not being regulated by this ordinance are the number of people who are attending central park to the chapel but where we're doing is we're really dealing with buildings both on a residential basis and a nine residential basis here  the three uses in the zone district that are now and residential in character would of course be the chapel but churches are allowed in all of our residential zone districts and the other two would be the law office that's on the corner of south shore and i believe myrtle and then of course the hotel or motel property but those two uses are in the c one commercial zone district what the what the ordinance does is it really puts an additional overlay and both the residential parcels and the commercial parcels to do two things section one ninety eight would have the property go through the process of infill regulation one ninety nine if the building would get to a size of twenty five hundred square feet that would trigger the special exception review that would be done by the zoning board of appeals so i want to make sure that things like dumpsters other uses that are currently being done on that c one property would not be regulated by this ordinance do you care to continue or just one last question the special exception process and twenty five hundred square feet do we use that in other parts of the city in residential areas this is a new section it's brand extra yeah i was hoping to get someone else would talk so i have a little longer to ponder this but after our last go around the last meeting when we talked about this there were a couple of thoughts that came to mind afterwards first of all as best as i can understand the situation here the additional section here i don't see it putting a huge burden on the life in this neighborhood as it exists or as we can conceive that it's going to exist in the relative future it heads nonresidential propert to the review process as well as the residential properties so any concerns our folks might have about the commercial operations or commercial buildings in that area which i would understand would be a concern i mean people the larger over arching concern that i've been hearing for years about this neighborhood is that it's unique it has the qualities  that don't exist in any other neighborhood in the city and are such that they need some special attention and need to be protected that that's the value that the residents are placing  and supporting that concern so it's difficult for me to to see you know what kind of a problem  from what i'm hearing now there has been a lot of discussion about the chapel and its function and you know this and that blob and i guess because it's been part of the discussion i would just make a comment or two about that  as lisa has said the chapels have been there for a long long time and i would guess by looking at everybody who's here and everyone that i've met who live in that neighborhood it predates any current president and if i'm wrong then y'all are honored you know those those services obviously were begun for a reason the chapel grew up and was created for a reason and serves that neighborhood it serves a purpose in that neighborhood whether everyone participates or not you know is another question but it's part of the fabric and the identity and the character of that neighborhood so it has to be respected and anyone who buys a property in that neighborhood has to understand the role that the chapel plays there it's like people buying a house next to an airport and they complain about the noise i mean it's stupid you know it's there you know its purpose you know what happens there so you either accept that or you go somewhere else i mean that's just plain reality the other side of the queen is that those who all in the vision of the chapel have to understand i think this is just my opinion but they have to understand the role that the chapel plays in the cumi in that neighborhood and the responsibility that that chapel has to the residents of the neighborhood so you know i don't think this is the vision but if there were plans to enlarge the chapel you know and i've been to services there and a wedding and it is a beautiful place to to worship and to and to have a wedding experience  so i understand the appeal but if the idea of the vision is to grow larger and that's not what i'm hearing but if that were the case i think those who are driving the chapel are driving the vision only that would have to re evaluate what the what the place of the chapel is in that neighborhood so long the short of it is i'm just i guess saying that both the residents who live there and those who are responsible for the operation of the chapel have to understand the mutual responsibility that exists in this neighborhood and hopefully you know out of that sort of recognition that there is some joy to be understood and realized in an existing hopefully pleat peacefully you know that in that area but everybody has a role and everybody has to understand what that role has specifically in this and that's david because it has a very very unique so hopefully that makes some sense anyone else but i wasn't here for the last vote so i have talked to people about this and thought about it and it's not it is not a cut and dr decision and i do agree with what's been said that the chapel was there first and it is a really important part of the neighborhood and hopefully the message of that chapel is one that makes the neighborhood better alternately so it is it kind of bothers me to have a church be a lightning rod for disagreement even if it is like just awnings it's just it's a hard thing and but sometimes churches that bend over backwards to do the right thing in difficult situations  so anyway i do kind of feel like the twenty five hundred square foot numbers a little arbitrary and i don't know if that is going to solve the issues and i wasn't a part of all the discussion over the months in the planning commission but i do kind of trust the perspective of kurt and brian who were in so i don't know i do feel as though there needs to be a little protection for the commercial aspect and i don't know if we can pass one and not the other we're going to talk about that ok somebody's going to talk about that at some time i think  so i think that might be a possibility and it's not a historic district so to start putting a lot of specific things and properties that aren't in the whole list of course you know historic package kind of starts a whole new paradigm for how do we address square footage in any neighborhood i don't know you know i think that's kind of a precedent that could be hard to work with in other neighborhoods as well so i guess the bottom line for me is i is i could i could see addressing the not residential properties because that hasn't been addressed and that does have potential with that motel to go somewhere maybe we wouldn't want for the neighborhood but i'm not so ready to support the other part of this this proposal anyone else please yeah i can't keep my mouth shut when i think about what makes how and special i think about neighborhoods in the changes we've seen  think about you know twenty five years ago we had neighborhood schools that really defined the neighborhoods by educational institutions and that's kind of gone away so what we have now are neighborhoods that are defined mostly neighborhoods that sit on water like this particular neighborhood it is an historic district but it is not by definition but i do think having served on the planning commission or the  planning commission five or six years ago when this came up and we all got walked out there and walked the whole neighborhood and saw some of the houses that were built and some of the part of the plans that we're talking about being built at the time the wisdom at the time was does that is that in the keeping of this neighborhood in the answer i think was no and we put that ordinance in place now i'm hearing do we need a twenty five hundred foot do we need this extra layer and including in that some things to make sure that the commercial does stay kind of in keeping with that neighborhood i honestly don't think this is much of a hindrance the church is one element here we've got ninety three people who call that place either home or own residence there the church has asked those people and lives in that area where fourteen times a year which is a sunday which is on the weekends when either they live there or that's a time when the best time in the world to live in that area plus an additional twenty weddings is a lot to ask of that  seems to have gone this well i'm just going by what i've been presented so far from a lot of different people it seems to be going pretty well so far and i think the idea of i'm not don't understand from essentially the mostly the folks from this one element of this thing is the church when there are no plans to expand it we can say that well it's been there forever and it's a good thing but from what i've seen we have torn down a lot of cottages now to expand the parking to accommodate that and that isn't an hindrance on the neighborhood and i don't know who said it but you know what we've got to play ball here so i have no problem and again we're talking about making sure that neighborhood stays keeps the great architectural and unique character that it has in the church is just one element i think this prevent someone from having an idea of buying up two or three or four lots and building a house or a man or a whatever residential unit the just doesn't fit that character and i don't think there's anything wrong with that we do in historic district we do it in other places that's what makes this town unique is we are unique so you know i just say that this really doesn't do anything i disagree i think it does do so but it protects that neighborhood all right let me suggest to quell the first place some new thoughts down and then suggest a course of action the first thing i would say is i'm sort of picking up off something that you just said jay and the question is  the removal of houses in the lots and parking and those sorts of things and as brian and greg what a test i ask this question of the planning commission because all of this began primarily centered on chapel issues  and i asked the question and the issues were primarily related to noise to use to infringe parking in the neighborhood and to something else that was related to the use of the and i ask the question with this with these series of ordinances cause any restriction on the ability to for the chapel of their supporters to buy a house and rip it down and turn into another grass lot the answer was no with this with any of these ordinances have anything to do whatsoever with dealing with noise concerns the answer was no i asked with this have anything to do with parking in the neighborhood the answer is no so the precipitating cause of all this discussion of the planning commission  really was being on addressed by the proposed changes now zoning is i think generally speaking everything zone is a pretty good thing you know we can go from the extremes where we all would agree that we shouldn't allow a rendering plant be built next to our house so zoning is good and on the other extreme we all don't want to have a say in ordinance that says owning ordinance that says we have to plant petunias in our front yard so somewhere in the middle is where we all land and the question is where in this continuum i think reasonable minds can differ as to whether both of these ordinances are a good thing for this neighborhood now what i heard tonight again and it sort of sunk in a bit more is questions beyond the nature and the use of the chapel and primarily concerns about the motel and i think those  are legitimate in many many ways see one if you look on the map that's on the screens of the area in pink is the area that is zone c one which is a commercial zoning district it's thirty nine dash ninety five in the in the holland zoning ordinances and the permitted uses in the c one commercial neighborhood district is are as follows bakery bank or other financial and you have bakeries banks or other financial institutions barbers and beauty shops dry cleaning and laundry pick up stations offices retail stores shoe repair shops art and craft making studios galleries and shops art and craft schools music and dance studios photographic and film production services ok that comes from subsection a those are the commercial uses that are permitted in a c one district now my hunch is that probably none of us in this room would have a problem with any of those kinds of uses came in to the area marked in pink at least most of it so i think that the c one zoning certainly provides a great deal of protection you know gas stations not allowed under c one motels aren't allowed under c one so what is there now is a non conforming use if ever it comes down it doesn't get rebuilt  so those kinds of things are already zoned out of that neighborhood so there's some good protection there however i do see where there could be concern about even an office building coming in that is not in conformity with  character of the central park area i mean it was once described to me that central park is key west without the chickens which i think is you know clever and funny and probably has a lot of truth to it and it is a great neighborhood to be sure so i think that i  could see along the lines that nancy was going perhaps of saying you know maybe it would make sense to apply thirty nine dash one ninety eight the infill review ordinance amendment to include all structures in central park not just residential structures so to me that within the the good side of the zoning continuum i'm a little less convinced however that that the twenty five hundred square foot issue is is is where we need to go on this you know frankly to me that the biggest concern to property here is not the chapel because again chapel is is permitted under our one permit permitted under all residential districts the biggest area for me is the hotel area the motel area whatever it is right now i think it would make more sense for the planning commission to go back and look at both the zoning map on that c one area and i looked at the city's master plan and we had a pre concert meeting i couldn't quite tell if the the current c one area in the zoning is in conformance with the master plan so it could also require a look at the master plan and potentially altering the master plan to keep c one commercial along the south shore area you know adjacent to the law office across the street from the from the grocery store and the auto repair shop but then slice off the balance of what is currently on elm drive and make that more of the our one area which would be much more in keeping with the nature of the rest of the central park area that to me would be i think a better way to provide more protection for what happens ultimately in the balance of the drive area behind the area immediately along south shore drive that frankly from my opinion it provides better protection to the most sensitive part  of the commercial area in this neighborhood which is what these proposed ordinances are attempting to address so all of that being said i can't make this happen because as you all know i can't make a motion but i'm wondering if perhaps we might be willing to take up these two ordinance amendment changes separately vote on them separately and because at least for me i can support one of them but cannot support the other so with that i leave it in your hands if no one chooses to do something along those lines we will call the question have a vote on the whole thing together i'll go there nancy i believe i heard you say that you wish to have three out of the two items to have one vote on section thirty nine dash one ninety nine and one vote on section thirty nine dash one ninety eight perfect thank you all right that is nancy's motion and brother whiteman has supported that now is there any discussion on the motion to separate these two items out for separate votes all right let us vote then on the question of whether or not to separate these items out that's what we're voting on right now and please call that r yes no no yes all right five four all right so let us now take a look at only section thirty nine dash one ninety eight the residential infill regulation that would then apply to all structures in the central park area residential and nonresidential alike is there any further discussion on specifically thirty nine dash one ninety eight and it would you please call that rol yes yes yes yes yes yes yes no yes right very good then let us turn to thirty nine dash one ninety nine which is the special exception provision for the central park neighborhood more commonly being called the twenty five hundred square foot issue is there a motion on that a lot of statements made tonight the biggest one i'm going back to as was mentioned earlier about four or five years ago  nancy said something a little bit earlier about the precedent setting well you also mention the historic district that was precedent setting we don't have that any place else in the city so precedent setting is it you know not a new thing for us the compatibility of the chapel which has been there four hundred ten years i believe i've heard a lot of the cottages have been there for pretty close to maybe a little bit younger according to the color chart that we had is the utmost importance and this is no different than the discussion we had four or five years ago as far as people want to retain the neighborhood i know the discussion started with maybe a little i'm not going to sugarcoat it as mr sickle said earlier the neighbors against that some neighbors against the cha and very unfortunate situation but i believe in the discussions what was presented to us evolved from those discussions and i think the i'm hoping and praying that the neighborhood against the chapel has gone away and everybody is on the same page and i've heard from both sides the essence of the neighborhood i mean that's that's a great joining part right there they have different opinions on how to get to that essence of the neighborhood but the essence of the neighborhood stands i voted for the regulation four years ago i'm going to vote for the regulation again we have asked time after time after time for neighbors to define the neighborhood to get behind their neighborhood we're giving them a tool to do that and i have to support that are one thing bothered me that was said tonight i wasn't going to get in the chapel procedures at all but one thing that was said tonight that i just it's very unsettling is that  the process of the services would be altered the process at this church is different than any other church in the city as far as the microphones as far as the speakers the other churches in town have for confined walls contain their music contain their voice and everything within sight of the confines of the walls if i believe correctly if i understand correctly you don't have those walls defined there are open air i stand corrected it is that the case opener ok so there is a vast difference between this church service and the other church services as far as the neighborhood if and when we have had church services at my church on the outside we had to get the permit so i don't see any difference there the  that's all i want to say on that i didn't want to get into the chapel thing it's not that to me is not the issue the issue is preserving the neighborhood and i believe both these ordinances both of these ordinances will protect the neighborhood which is what we've been asked to do by everybody out there the feeling of a bygone era of the nineteen early making hundreds of style look and feel nostalgic i think it's the personality the neighborhood the building guidelines the guidelines for the infill ordinance seem reasonable yet allowing for change and change will always come it always does but i think the bigger ideas that may give this neighborhood a chance to exist is just a little bit longer because the people who live there reshape what they have and i just think we're a neighborhood likes what they have as a council person i have responsibility to support what they're into over  anyone else all right so we're looking at the thirty nine dash one ninety nine and a place called right thank you all for the preservation in this issue this evening we now move on to item twelve in our agenda which is communications from the audience this is the opportunity for members of the audience to address council on items that do not otherwise appear on the agenda same council rules apply as as before please step for that microphone so often hear a name and residential address for the record and you have up to five minutes to address tells the microphone is open good evening and welcome good evening my name is maggie rivera i recite it five fifty west twenty third street in holland tonight i'm here to share here tonight and i'm hoping to continue dialogue with many of you in reference to my thoughts i'm asking a question that what will the council and city leadership team be remembered for in practice in principle  with budget cuts i realize that decisions have to be made about eliminating are cutting back on positions with the city at the risk of sounding very or soundin ethnocentric i really appeal to all of you on the level of appreciating this position that al serrano has held for i think twenty five years plus and the history of that position has been held by if i'm not mistaken latinos in our city we have very few positions and our community and i'm speaking on behalf of myself and the people that i've spoken with about it value the leadership of our  latino employees with the city with the city the the fact that they are employed there for them may be a very different experience for our community we perceive that as progress we perceive that is advancement for our community  holland because we are a minority in the community as well so please on that level please appreciate my perspective on preserving that position in its entirety i'm very specific about that and for me personally i believe it should be held by a person of color the other perspective about that position is perhaps decreasing the position to part time it's a complex position i think there's about six different duties that mr serrano does now and i'm sure that in deciding what might happen with those tasks in those duties can be very complicated i know that often with budget cuts occurring in municipalities and school districts and other organizations you have to look at assigning those things to other personnel that already are in the in the system i have to speak to one in particular one assignment in duty is the title six rollout plan for our city that is a civil rights plan and i don't want to be remiss or disrespectful anybody but there's probably two people or maybe one here tonight maybe our city attorney that could probably have a good very good picture of what that entails and unfortunately to my knowledge nobody on staff has that information or that background or that experience to roll that plan out so when we're looking at this position title six jumps out at me very clearly that who will do that who will do that for our city and i've asked the question to also city manager and the other staff were attended are here relations commission meeting and i was very clear eyed to my knowledge i don't believe there's anybody on staff who knows that how to do that presently so in respect to this these positions with the city being historically like the you know i'm afraid that perhaps if we don't continue with that  practice of putting a person of color in there that perhaps we're moving backwards in our in our great city employees pause and ask all of yourselves if this is actually a human resource issue or human relations you or both also be sensitive to the community's perception of the human relation office that this office is for the citizens the services that are loaned and afforded through that through our city ordinances have been effective in been utilized and often utilized by individuals who are voiceless they can't come here they don't come here for whatever reasons they don't come here and i don't know if all of us city council and staff are aware of the voiceless that this particular office has often guided and supported in our community finally i need to be very careful in referencing some financial practices and budget issues and this is no disrespect to anybody or point any fingers but i understand that we have hired some police officers and that's a very personal issue for me i believe that the quality of police officers should be accounted for by when we hire new people that their air quality in their training should be on the forefront of why we need them or why we're bringing them on i don't know all the budget ins and outs but how do we hire police officers and then cut key community positions such as his position aaron who was assistant and now the cuts occurring to his position i that balancing act is difficult i respect that but i don't see how one can how to qualify one but not the other and also at the study session tonight i learned that the windmill project has some very intricate financial needs and i would like the council and the staff to be very careful in how they actually fund that project and perhaps facility monies is different than personnel and all of that but it's a little bit difficult as a citizen to hear that we're going to fund this if i'm not mistaken six hundred thousand dollars project and here we are cutting very key positions for our community it's not that simple i know that but i wanted to bring  so i ask again what will you this council and city leadership team be remembered for in practice and principle respectfully i hope to continue to be invited to be a part of this dialogue and i encourage other individuals in our city to come forth and speak with you personally as well manager i want to thank maggie for being here tonight i will be at the human relations commission tomorrow there are several options that our city staff have looked at in relation to what might be appropriate to recommend to the city council i'd like to a bounce those ideas some of them are not really in concrete form yet in bed and they are becoming concrete in my mind so they'll be part of that conversation and their response will be part of my report to you i've been at the last two meetings tomorrow will be three and it looks like i'll be at the one in february while we sort this out your st session of february thirteenth is when i've tended to identified for your review and be happy to answer any questions in the meantime the good news this is the best news of all is i've done title six before in my other capacities requirement and it needs to be given the support of the chief administrative officer of the city and that would be in our office so i am confident that one way or another we will emerge as strong or stronger for the human rights of this community at our conclusion good evening and my name is anne weller i live at eighty seven west fourteenth street and i'm here on behalf of the alliance for cultural nathman carmen e and holland which was founded fourteen years ago had some multicultural nonprofit grassroots organization and we were founded to be committed to justice and equal opportunity cross cultural understanding and appreciation for diversity in that work we were recognized by this human relations commission about six years ago with a social justice award the human relations director has been an extremely important resource for not only our organization but other organizations in town that are concerned with justice and equal opportunity i think it's a statement of how the city perceives the airport importance of those two things as to what happens with that office and i would  disappointed to have it part time or its duties spread out among people who are already busy and full time workers serrano has been a resource about civil rights law fair housing employment discrimination and on the other hand on the multicultural side through the international relations commission and the multicultural resource commission he has given leadership to take cultural festivals to groups working together and finding out what each other is doing in the community and i just would like to add our voice to the request to consider this position very thirty two years ago i came here to run a shelter for abused women and then with my wife number of times we saw these women make a decision to leave that abusive situation they tried to rent and they were refused when l was the director then the human relations commission brought a proposal to allow the source of income as a protected class they also had sexual identity and that was defeated but they passed this and this may be one of the only cities in the whole state that has it and i'm very proud of that because i think it has saved lives so please whatever you do make sure it's somebody who does more than just know the officers here but knows the voiceless and the cries voiceless cries of unheard of cry thank you an evening my name is her brother i live at eighty seven west fourteenth street i don't have a lot to add to all that has been said in favor of the human relations commission i think it's an extremely important aspect of the human touch of the city and as we become more and more a multicultural community i think that is a very important thing that you have to keep in mind i know you're faced with a lot of budgetary decisions but please give good consideration to that human side of things thank you thank you right ok so then we move down to the end that was moved from consent fourteen easy to point three i don't relate it to the island gardens project ryan will turn to you at this point it's a gall of this council to my knowledge to get the windmill turning again in order to accomplish that goal  there's a mole time month multistage process you are part way along that process and then you've approved the engineering needed to establish the strength of the bridge to get the crane across the bridge to the when the oil which involves the eventual repair you've also proved to be an alternative the cheapest alternative to make that bridge appropriately strong and this is the next step needed and parallel tracks you voth arised a strategic planning committee whose goal is to give a new vision for the island gardens and ways that is appropriate for the future now that we're approaching the fifty year mark and that effort will be concluded in a matter of weeks on another parallel track authorized you know about i don't think you've yet endorsed if i'm raising ever but this fund raising effort is being organized and will be endorsed by you in short order all together these efforts are needed to move forward now if we are to get the windmill turning again by december decembers important because we have a small window only between september october november when the weather is good and the terrorism and the crowds are low for the purpose of construction and all the efforts associated there with so with that being said jodi is here as well she can answer questions but i'll just conclude by saying this amount of funds all but eleven thousand dollars being requested today about fifty thousand total but all but eleven is already budgeted for when will island gardens it's being asked to be used for this purpose and then eleven thousand would come from the general fund contingency all right and questions for staff on this item jody do you really want to talk with us or we heard a report upstairs that in any further reports to come on  and in the future does one when males had a wonderful history it's stood the test of time it's gone through two world wars existed before the civil war in the united states even though wasn't here it predates the american revolution declaration of independence george washington is about thirty years old it was built and it existed about one hundred years before j j hilliard's inline incorporated was existence it's been torn down twice it's been rebuilt it was an echo inactive for over twenty years in another once it was my understanding that it's repair where at least part of its repair was to be paid from donations from those who have a special love for the windmill and at this time funds are difficult to find the city's cut staff reduced spending so the stadium we try very hard to live within our budget and do it responsibly the fund the additional will project after spending nearly four hundred thousand dollars already on run ovations but we must carefully consider just before saying yes i'm going to head with us this project is an ideal project to be supported by the community by donors from those who have received much from this community it is time for them to consider stepping up to the plate and help him i just don't see how the city can upfront any more huge amounts of money on this and i think we need to take a little  reality check on this you know i really you know it's like going on a trip and it's great going on a trip but you can buy the airplane tickets but if you don't have the money to really support the trip that's not necessarily a very in order for us to do the need to repair and the windmill we have to order things like a year in advance because we only have three months in which to do the work and with the rest of the calendar of the year of the windmill  we can only do that september october and november therefore an order has to be placed now to have that would by next fall the netherlands had decided never to send another windmill away because they had set one i believe it was to the virgin islands and they turned it into a restaurant and they decided that's it we can't trust any place we send the windmill to and then a group from holland michigan went to the netherlands and said if you give us a wind mill we will take care of it we're not going to desecrate it will be used to grind grain and we will use it as a windmill and honor our heritage the city that the windmill came from is so sad about its departure that they are going to build a replica just to remember the importance of the windmill that they used to have in their city that they entrusted to us i really believe that the people of holland michigan understand the value and the symbolism of the windmill and that when we have our strategic plan finished which should happen the next two or three weeks when we have our fundraising campaign announced which should happen in a few weeks as well that people will step forward knowing that we accepted a responsibility in this community when we accepted that windmill from the netherlands and i don't really feel responsible saying let's just let it r for a year or two or i mean we're already letting it sit there for a year and when and when mil rests it rots because it's a machine that needs to be used all through the winter even the people from the netherlands said so we would let it rot another year and entails even more damage and more problems if we'd wait again so i really trust the people of this area they know we don't have the money to do everything that needs to be done to preserve that windmill but they as well as we realize the responsibility that we have to keep that thing working and to honor the heritage and the the agreement that was made fifty years ago when we accepted the windmill so i really think it's going to work out all right it's not the way we want to do it now we'd like to be in control of everything we'd like to know that that would was ra plan way in advance but weak we couldn't and we didn't and we found out now so we have to handle it the best way we can and i think this is a good it's going to work out and people are sending in money even without  an official fundraising campaign and so i am looking forward to the response of the community when they are going to give to this organised to this problem and i think we'll have a huge celebration when that windmill turns again and we can all join as nancy said we took on the responsibility years ago the city took on the responsibility i'm sure we just about let one other fact go already a lot of money was spent to get that back up and running and the longer we wait on this the more expensive it's going to get i have faith in this community i don't have rose colored glasses but i have faith in this community that are going to step up to the plate i don't think we're going to have an issue at all with the cash the city has been great in past projects we don't reach out for needless things when we have something important the community steps up to the responsibilities that they see that's our heritage but i have no problem voting yes on this getting the the material coming specialized material it's a specialized queen that we have out there on the island and she's got to be treated that way yes yes yes yes all right thank you fourteen f five point one some gifts please the city manager's office is pleased to report the following get still nations totaling one thousand one hundred dollars has been received for digraphs nature center for environment education from june  that min one thousand dollars donation has also been received from anonymous donor in support of the repairs to the windmill island and a five thousand dollars donation has been received from fidelity charitable gift fund i'm behalf passes that then takes us down to communications tonight from the standoffish city manager who is on the mend but still what some old saying about caution and prudence and terribly exciting to report of course always you may get in get ahold of us at city hall and dot com look to the web page to find as much information as we possibly can put onto it saves you time and effort of trying to get ahold of somebody at city hall saves you the convenience or gives you the convenience of looking at it at your home or business or wherever you are around the world as opposed to having to be physically present in this space so we invite you to peruse the website and be in touch with us we do have a few appointments this evening and by a few i mean quite a list we have a an appointment to the historic district commission of david stubbs to complete a vacated term that term will  committee brooke anderson as the planning commission representative expiring january thirty one twenty fourteen met have go of the historic district commission january thirty one twenty fourteen tracy hash police community relations january thirty one twenty fourteen and then these persons are more general appointments to the neighborhood improvement committee not specifically appointed from particular committees sharon beard heise january thirty one two thousand and sixteen jeanette bronson january thirty one twenty sixteen amy altering january thirty one twenty fifteen marvin martin january thirty one two thousand and fifteen brian wall tice january thirty one twenty fifteen jacobs january thirty one twenty fifteen eric davis january thirty one twenty fourteen ron chavez january thirty one twenty fourteen david to block january thirty one two thousand and fourteen and then finally for me every appointment of him to made a planning commission expiring january thirty one twenty sixteen i would ask for your consideration and approval of these items please by the mayor pro tem supported by whiteman is there any discussion all in favor please say i posed the same that passes communications resolutions for members of council this evening mr mayor could i just propose one clarification i don't know if this was clear when section thirty nine dash ninety nine was by a five four vote by the council phil meyer had proposed to what i regard as housekeeping amendments i don't think that council had these specific amendment of the ordinance to include those what i wanted to make sure procedurally that that was done for the adoption of the ordinance by the five four vote tonight so we could have a motion from council subject to the mayor running this maybe on those two matters i think it would clarify the exact language of the ordinance as adopted so you're looking for emotion but adopting the amended ordinance and a motion that would incorporate the two amendments to section thirty nine one ninety nine c one b and thirty nine one ninety nine c three a to the adapted ordinance all right we have heard the request of the city attorney and i get a motion to that effect by the mayor pro tem supported by we would like to discuss this further i'm glad to see we would not a roll call vote on that would be and necessary so this relates to the one ninety nine ok and i would you please call that roll yes yes to the reappointment i should say to the west michigan airport authority mr jim we're stuck for a four year term expiring on the sumburgh thirty twenty sixteen and we have made that in the form of a come one come all we've got a new venue this year including the one b p w thank you very much coffee with counselor and you will start to the budget process right here in city council chambers nine t to like it's think i'm going a little overboard here but this is your time to come and talk to your council members will be seated around the room there also be represented as their representatives as i said from the board of public works we're going to try that this year so come and definitely talk to them so they come back again in the future so we're looking to see everybody every year we do this we are guaranteed snow so if you've been waiting for snow it will be promoted by you or anyone else communications tonight all right we have a request from the city attorney to not leave quite yet but to go into a closed session for the purposes of what we have our requests to go into closed session under section eight of the open meetings act to review property acquisition and there is no recommended actions all right so by clarification this will be the last we do we will not come back and vote on anything further that is correct we have that request is the session will also be attended by our members of the board of public works so i think technically speaking they need to enter into a meeting as stablish a quorum and then vote to also go into a closed session so we will make you guys go to the microphone we we have a quorum and also a successful motion going to close session from the board of public works see everyone on saturday one thousand coffee with counsel good night