good evening this is the time of the place for the meeting of the board of appeals of the city of holland we are going to respond to applications for construction zoning variances or special exceptions housing or dangerous structures this board must try to interpret each application  to city ordinances this board is not empowered to rezone or take any action that could be considered rezoning variances must be for crucial tests in order to be granted those of you who are here for variances have already answered those questions on your application will be asking about those answers again tonight this is the procedure we will follow you will ask that you come to the microphone to speak your and your name and address we will hear applicants we will hear from the applicant first and anyone supporting epic ation and then anyone who opposes it typically we hold a public hearing on an application deliberate and decide on that application before moving on to the next application you're welcome to stay for the deliberations but there is no opportunity for further public comment if you like not to stay for our deliberations in decision you can call the city clerk's office tomorrow at after eight thirty in the morning to learn the results we will hear applications don't follow in order construction zon housing dangerous start that being said will you please read please read the first application white house baptist church lighthouse baptist church at five o one east twenty four st is requesting or for church use mr chairman i'd like to let you know that that application has been withdrawn and we were able to conform confirm that yesterday with the applicant by telephone very good we have a motion to accept this withdrawal i'll make the motion to accept the withdraw all support all those in favor say aye aye oppose the same time we are here we have your address for the record of your home address this address from my home address your home address matters as one thirty one east twenty ninth street and i do on the home at one eighty four east thirty first street and that home at this time well it was empty for about two years and in dire straits and real dutchman to this neighbors around it and i'm in present time every redoing that and bring it up to city code and which should should be a real asset to the neighborhood bring the property values up and what i'm asking for permission tonight is to create two flag lights coming off so in the homes that we would propose to put on it would be small cottage type homes or would be summer to the homes in the neighborhood so you can't have any questions f offset and then to twenty five feet ok right now it's just up in the back you walk back there it's been a catchall i think over the years for just leaves and tree branches neighbors bring it all in there and you know when i get on with it it'll be a beautiful and it be an asset to the neighborhood to public utilities yes  i've done quite a few those in the past and you know just a two bedroom so let's talk about you know just a nice nice small starter home  you know why can't we speak don't you know a crystal ball what's going to have no role but i don't really feel thirty fist i mean it's like when i work there every day i don't there's not a whole lot treasure that goes down there but i don't believe it's going to be a detriment as far as you know in too much traffic aerial photos do show the approximate location of property lines they are just dropped into the parcel layer so they're usually within two or three feet of being accurate your questions for the applicant it was real is there anyone else here to speak in favor of this application is there anyone else here to speak in opposition to this application please approach the microphone and state your name and address hi my name is aaron scott from one seventy east thirty fifth street so actually just neighbors to the to the lot i guess what i want to do is just be employed a context about the area i guess right now there's about six homes that kind of like ourselves and a family of four and and so a lot of kids play back there and have fun and i mean of course anybody is able to do whatever they want their backyard but when i guess when someone decides to put a couple of homes in their backyard with a road to get you know to bring traffic to those just from a densely standpoint you know overall i mean there's twenty six houses right now on this block if you can i'm if you go if you go in either direction one block north there's twenty homes on the block if you go one block even further there's fourteen homes and one business if you go south there's twenty homes on that block if you go south even further seventeen homes in a block and if you go south even one more block there's thirteen homes so it's a sixty percent sixty six percent difference in density in our block alone and we're looking to add more and so i guess yeah you might have enough room but as our block already has you know quite a bit of quite a bit of density and there's also some really good in the church trees that have to come down to fit the road  going to get pushed somewhere and so of course it's probably going to push on to their side of it but it's also probably get pushed on to our side and it's going to salted and it's going to end up in our grass and so i guess i for us i don't i don't feel that we needed more more homes on the sly right now and so i'd like to oppose it one of the one of the standards are looking at is that this the division should be found to be compatible harmonious with this stablish character or joining in nearby residential debate develop or the effect of additional curb cuts on traffic resulting from the proposed division do you want to speak specifically to any one of those points yes i could i mean from a compatibility harmonious standpoint are adding more homes i guess you just continue to get more crowded into a block that's already has you know way more homes and surrounding blocks already do i guess just kind of you know role in enjoyment aspect i mean it's nice to go in your backyard and i be kind of sharing you know road and driveway with his stuff as far as a traffic standpoint we do have a fair amount traffic there's a lincoln has a bunch of apartment and so there is a lot of people who leave those apartments in the morning and the afternoon  any other people or speak in opposition is there anyone else here to speak in opposition  not a very viable option i do want to say a few things though because we've had trouble with this kind of application in the past mr weaver made some representations of what he wanted to build on the property the size of the structures two bedrooms and a single stall garage if you want to hold him to his word on what he presented to you it does have to be part of the findings of fact as a condition you can also look at the location of the driveway and make that condition of the application as well and he does he did make that a condition then you have the ability to do that and you can limit the width and you can to designate the location still has to be even if you're limiting the with it can't be no some smaller than the twenty feet correct the twenty feet has to be the with the easement the width of the paint pavement should not be less than ten feet lots whether developed or undeveloped i understand this you know the key plot in that is you know tied to this property what i'm concerned about is you know there's a couple other properties that have very deep  lots right by them and they've kind of you know together or had this open area concept and this you know even to just the two properties on either side by breaking that up there any room to negotiate a little bit to maybe separate into two lots of sort of three lives do you guys feel that that would be not in line with the harmonious environment of the i just find that the language of deed too you know so steve element shall be approved and which in the end you love or to have a detrimental effect on the reasonable enjoyment of adjoining properties just has at times of i don't want to equate it to thirty second street that would be misleading but it does have a rifle effect at times just depending on what time of day you're there couple walks down to the talk about paragraph d and when the reason the enjoyment of adjoining properties and making that determination i'm going to have to have findings that speak to items one two and three for that deter pretty torn on this one todd did you wan rental property correct one owner these were talking about selling three individual single family homes the one on the road and the two others so when it came up earlier about the possibility of if this were denied tonight is there a possibility of coming back and requesting the pierre d we didn't get a yes or no it was you can always  sorry the public hearings closed we've seen evidence that that there won't be a detriment to the neighborhood that there i would argue that adding density in here additional curb cuts in the placement of the homes would certainly affect the reasonable enjoyment of the neighboring properties due to density additional curb cut and placement motion fails three no two yes i'm sorry motion passes to deny motion fails to deny we need four right so it's denied we had three i'll support thank you already said yes they state it was stated that there will there will be access to the rear lights that they will have of water and sewer hookup separate from would be it would not adversely affect the the neighborhood the surrounding neighborhood can you elaborate on to those three points on the three piece that i did not hear sufficient evidence that it would work with two more residents that it would adversely impact the traffic in the area and that i did not see any evidence or hear any evidence to the contrary that that  i should say i wasn't convinced not that i did not hear but it wasn't  through correct do we want to put any conditions on the sorry conditions that i would police on this would be that the homes would be two in that the twelve hundred square foot two bedroom single star style grudge that  driveway location yes not sure what are the recommendations on the road with ok well you can do whatever you want it's a thirty two foot wide easement at the road side so a ten foot at the road on thirty first street you could have the apron or the entrance to the drive to be located equally distant from the homes on either side let's do th and that and easements be reviewed and approved by the city attorney's office for the expense of the applicant correct yes i think i have enough on that we had we have three other board members and two two of them were out of town and one was not available i think mr weaver has two options he has to either wait six months to come back and reapply or he can petition the board at the next meeting to allow his application to be heard in front of a full i'll second thank you all those in favor say aye aye aye aye aye those opposed the same says as i mentioned in the study session at your next meeting on may twenty eighth we will be having two conditional use applications and we will absolutely positively need a full board if you know you're not going to be available on that day we have to pick another date and we can do that