it wanted to find no one in bad faith in that case it would be final order you're speaking yours you made after the hearing just addressed our motion which was to add other parties other than c t mysteries our mr was she really needed to unwind a previous ruling and then you could have had that knowledge and we could have for for a minute our motion differently to take into account that new playing field new  rights and finally determines the discreet issue to which it is addressed it clearly there are three issues in the case below me are covered in three different motions you're looking at the st motion which is who is supposed to be liable for the costs that will d whether they're assessed under the standard three o three high one or three  counsel for once and framed the issue by filing the motion addressed exclusively to who will be liable there was then a nd motion that we filed because we faith because there was no ownership interest by jerry's a's are in the debt and that in a court decided well wait a minute she had based that m this case and i would think that the chief basis for firming is that there were a lot of factual findings by the court and analyzing the alter ego question  which we walked through in our brief and also the standard which is abuse of discretion now it's widely known and expected that if one files an involuntary bankruptcy case and loses the position of loses and it's not and we have a problem that i have now that attorney fees will be assessed it's good it's expected but and i'm certain ultimately it's a question of view of everything that happened in this case thank you to the conclusion that she did and i think that she clearly had the discretion to decide not to assess damages or attorneys f having screwed up and the way the council bit and acquired to get through they weren't supposed to do that that's not a tort and so i think the judge  are gone that they were they were decided then the issues decided ok yes but in the meantime he can't collect anything until it's determined that he has something to collect anyway so why in the interim  impact on the property rights that is real and present today they can't do something potentially with property or they can i don't know what distance it seems to me that until we know what the money is the fact that they can't collect be you know reviewed by the court and discussed but at the end of the day she will become liable for tuesday but what the order in front of you today established is that these other parties are not going to be awhile and no matter what happens with the motion to assess the thirty's these three are out and that's fine so let me let me ask you a question so she st decided on jurisdiction didn't occur he didn't quite get it get personal jurisdiction because service was improper so because of that they arrest no jurisdiction over these parties could she in the case to collect money from them you have to use an adversary proceeding fight so it went down to just to the bankruptcy court the and they really filed it and they did exactly that they they filed an adversary proceeding and then the bankruptcy court reviewing the entire situation including precedent for that i answered decided that even though they departed were now in front of the court appropriately there was no ability to