the first thing is the review and approval of the minutes from january chair as part of the minutes are these planning commission changes these are separate from the minutes we just approve rate so do you want to take this up because because i'd like to move to  different these two we can look at i mean we probably need to just make sure that they're exactly right the way we did it but since we just got it i just got my coat with these and just to make sure so yes correct those are not part of the minutes but you should have received them are you saying you just got them right now today in the packet ok but just for the sake of not being redundant and making sure that we're not talking about the same things over and over again i just want to make sure that we were clear that this is what we did and yeah minutes i'm john made in the long range planning division welcome members from welcome public we have a lot to cover tonight we're going over chapters eight infrastructure and nine public facilities and services and each of these chapters have seven sections so there's a lot to go through a lot of policies a lot of actions so i believe the chair would like to be able to break it into the sections and provide for public testimony prior to each section so we can try to move through each texan and as far as some of the written testimony commission that you have received chapters one through four if you desire to go through any of that we have that at the at the end of the meeting for the previous chapters ok so we're open for public testimony  other wise we'll try and work our way through t k looks like it's going to be specific to each item ye up conversation with i want to department up the ranch just to see what i can share with the community on the progress and there is progress and i just wanted to  comment on the fact that everywhere else everywhere else in hawaii the groundwater that runs off the land is illegal to drink there's a fair there's a lot of things that has been swept under the rug as far as i'm monologues concerned so i wanted to i'm just a concerned and i just for the record and what i notice about officials the fact that a person who commit an act which constitute a war crime act as a head of state as a responsible government officials does and does  relieved him from the responsibility of his or her act and in our constitution article one states that god had in down  big question and it takes a lot of stuff to take into account but the answer is no matter is not better than surface water both have their risks both if they're treated well enough or taking care of them both are safe sources on the water being contaminated that's why that's why the community came out and says all we want to address the issue and in pursuing of happiness and safety that's all right you know it's it's beyond my comment i have no comment but sticking to the you know in a pursuing of safety for the children you know quite a few of my classmates and my the people i go to school with on monolog have died from cancer some of them never even smoke and drink they just die so with with the compound amount of stuff that some around just want to get back to safety and if we can pursue it and lay some groundwork again last meeting i said i might not live to see the day but i will continue to speak with some of the ranch workers in the showed me numbers and how much the water could be and we were just want to try for that another thing was brought up and saw the commercialization of the deer venison not selling it dear but involving the community on the challenge don't know paula we already are partnered up on the apollo we're doing our best with the drugs dexa tip and really taking the children out on outings but i'm that was a three issues as a community a concern community person wanted to bring up has been up to ten but we wanted to just bring up the three but it probably would help yes there was a clear solution on our challenges was dialogue what i've been doing is i've been screaming at meeting and walk away and walk away but i i just wanted upcoming sunday i don't remember which day i will be coming with him and i will try i'll bring my heart and my mind and my experience with water to shed some light on what's going on and how we're trying to improve it and just talking story and trying to you know to the time when we drank rat infested feces water from monolog and i got used to it and we did he was proud of it because we could survive such toxicity but we now know clean water for the community so today you have made that effort known and we're very happy that you folks did hold but people need to see the big picture i just i just see that thank you call it yeah we're here to marshall racine shontelle and doug rogers and we're here to go over the community play and communicate open a dialogue that's what we're fo sure thank you she's right we should start every single one of these meetings just framing the context of where we've been and where we are and where this is going to go so we started this and let me just first say because a lot of questions people ask ever since the very beginning is why does what you're looking at now a community plan why is that look different than the existing community plan and one of the reasons why is because the county enacted a ordinance called two point eight zero b and in that word nets we are now mandated to require additional elements in the community plan so the substance of the community plan has changed the other thing it dictates is the process and we all get frustrated with this process and believe me nobody empathizes greater than me and why that's important is because two point eight o b dictates first of all that a c pack will be selected  so your community plan advisory committee consisted of thirteen members nine members were selected by each council member four members were selected by the mayor wants to see pac starts at its first meeting and has one hundred twenty days to review an existing draft and make changes through that draft what i will say is that what we did was we met i have forgotten many many many times we extended the hundred twenty days because of two hurricanes but this super pac worked extremely hard not just in reviewing the draft we had several technical resource people directors we really looked at i think is jennifer hawkins here i thought i saw our so jennifer was awesome we had a whole evening on economic development the different aspects of what's involved we had an evening we had dave good relevant to tonight he came over and talked about the roads and infrastructure david taylor came and talked about water so what we tried to do during that very short amount of time was to try to provide as much education as we could on the issues on air them out not only why they are important but how they're relevant to molokai so that  did an amazing show it was very exhausting and so the next part of the process is once the pack voted on their plan it then goes to the planning commission so the planning commission also has one hundred  twenty days to go through the existing document as well and we have it's a very again very challenging very tight process but this is dictated by the county ordinance we have two more meetings currently schedule d we have to finish by march thirty first and so let me say then going forward what will happen is this we will need at least a month to take whatever has been passed forward by the planning commission to put it in a another draft which will then be submitted to the county council so this part is important i feel like this part's been kind of lost because we've been we've been working so hard in the moment so what happens is probably may or so the county council will the community plan and i cannot make this clear enough once we transmit that plan ladies and gentleman it is no longer in the hands of the planning department because there's been a lot of confusion with that in the night you plan so once we hand off that document it then goes to council services however you will have what two point it'll be says is the county council has a full year to look at and review the community plan and i can tell you as it has been going on with one i e they will have public hearings they will have workshops they will come here to mobile k e so you will have there has been many many times  a lot of time to submit public testimony written testimony so there will be an additional year by the county council so i really want to make sure folks know that that yes we're trying to meet the deadline for the planning commission but in addition to that there will be a full year for people to provide testimony documents whatever you like so that's kind of where we're at right  now question so there's been a lot of talk about the east end community on a policy statement and the meaning in which it needs to be done so is it my understanding from what you just said that after it's handed off even if the eastern policy is not in chair would you also like to just for the sake of all the new people over how do public testimony and what specific chapters we're on and what the end of testimonies were supposed to be intended to be can kind of stay on track ok you know we're going to try and work through this is to magically and we could try to ask people to keep it to three minutes if at all possible and you know it really kind of depends on how many people want to speak and what they have to say but we're going to try and go through it systematically and get it done and as i mentioned tonight we're going over chapters eight and nine infrastructure and public facilities and there are copies of the chapters at the back so infrastructure covers water waste water storm water management transportation energy and telecommunications chapter nine public facilities covers parks and rec fire police education health and social services cemeteries and governance  so chair opened up for public testimony to begin with to give the opportunity but we will have multiple times for public testimony through throughout the meeting i believe your body wants to hear the public testimony first before you go over a section so he would open public testimony before water and then your body has the opportunity to respond public testimony make your recommendations and then move on section by section so public testimony and section and then can i just make something clear to the community so one of the issues that we always have in these three minute testimony things is that people have a lot to say so what we try to do within the boundaries of how we got operate is and it's going to be beneficial to us to keep this in mind when you have an opportunity to testify on anything in the first public testimony then we're going to open up discussion on chapter eight you have an opportunity to discuss in that three minutes chapter eight we close that we're going to chapter nine you have three minutes to talk about chapter nine we close that we open up public testimony to talk about any other chapters that we have already discussed so i'm telling you this because i want the community to maximize your twelve potential minutes to get there put your point across as clear as possible so that we able to get on better feel of what you want so don't think that you have to stand up in one three minutes and and swallow everything you've got specific things on the each chapter and you can make it as clear as possible you have at least twelve minutes today that you can talk to us about those things so i think you ok so for chapter eight infrastructure starts with water and all i want to say about water because everybody in here i know appreciates how critical this resource is i want to make a distinction between the community plan and the upcoming water use development plan this is come up again and again and again and again and it's important it's and there's it's important so next year the most i'm sorry the department of water supply county department of water supply will start work on the water use development plan nonetheless i do want to say that for this chapter and what you're looking at we had great input from the community catherine davis was amazing she was terrific but the thing to keep in mind is that with the water use development plant it will specifically addressed water resource conflicts controversies allocation issues as well as water quality so i just ok we're open for public testimony on water chapter eight laboratory they take the sample once per quarter when the sample results come back from the laboratory two to three weeks later we report that to the state and then the state says you broke the standard you have to report to your people it's not that the water was contaminated for all those months it's just that that one sample indicated we had broke the standard but because we hadn't had a sample for three months we go back to the date when we last had a good sample i was part of that incident actually i was out of the state but i was in the middle of the the investigation and recovery and we started a whole new set of plans because of it normally the tri helmet things are at their disinfection by a product that was organics in the mountain water leaves  they put in or a dissolved organic compound in the water first at the treatment plant i add a small amount of chemical that will either oxidize that means break it up or bring it together a clump and filter it out and then i add chlorine as a disinfectant always in any treatment process a little bit of something gets through but it's so small it's not a problem only recently always well within the standard we have all the quarters before we were we had a problem and this is the result of the investigation we had a problem with lope lorien in a couple of our reservoirs so the treatment plant operator i was on vacation and one of the system operators together decided we're going to increase the chlorine coming out of the plant to deal with the low residual in the reservoirs the very next week they took the samples and that water the higher chlorine concentration with those organics created a much higher disinfection by product it was a spike three times what we normally see in the system all our samples before and all our sample sense are much lower but we took one sample on one day but it counts for three months the water was not contaminated for three months it was the result of one week of treating the water and one sample ok since then again this made all the bells in the arms go off the ranch besides changing the way we operate has purchased a very sophisticated piece of test equipment so we can now weekly daily if necessary take samples run them in our own office and see that we are keeping those disinfection by products low enough that it's not a problem and again it was one know the language in the letter is dictated by state and federal law so they have to they can't make up what they say there is in the law there is strict language that you have to put in the letter that you send to people and so they said for this number of months because that's the the time between the samples that the water was contaminated in fact it was one sample for water that was treated higher than we normally do for one  week and again since then again it really brought our radar up we are doing everything it's since that time we've been operating much lower than we did before and of we're experience with testing strategies to keep it down there all the time not just at sample time in but it's the routing of the water the rotting of the water sees the light of day to the runoff and then the routing of the water sees the one point five billion dollar reservoir correct me if i'm wrong does it go into that water going to the big present or so it's the routing of our water  because california packing company and find in an area because we know that was there before the risible and during the water routes from there into that big rest of oil and then it's put into another pipeline and then it sees the filtering up here so the the routing of the water will always be a problem due to the exposure to the air because whatever we have whatever we have in the air that it will end up in the water and yeah then you have to clean it up but for call a pool because water is the closest to well seventeen the numbers of the contaminants are very very low they're very very very low correct me if i'm wrong correct mike i mean you are correct ok that's not a the relationship between the disinfection and the disinfection by products it's it's a mathematical formula it's the how long how much chlorine you put and how long the water stays in contact yes absolutely so so i totally understand where i want a little community coming from and we're talking about water quality i just want and i'm not cutting anybody off but i just wanted to make two real quick distinctions when we talk about infrastructure for water we're only talking about systems because this process doesn't the other point i wanted to make share although i really appreciate you marshall is that i think that marshall's capacity to answer the community's question because he works for why all are is still just on  one sided view on things and so what we have to do is on commission i feel is be very careful that we listening we keep in and that we are able to meet that this because i don't i about something that we know can you know it's good to hear understand but that's why we wanted to pick it higher i mean we need i mean when we need keith and this one you know we need clause in this one we're talking about my great grandchildren going  e the big problem is it's it's three different systems and apparently that's an issue that's going to be hopefully dealt with next year with the water development water use development plan i wanted to call your attention to your chapter eight point one on the water be the issue if you look at issue number two it talks about the piece you fourth of identified that that is an ongoing issue quality but as you've been hearing from the community that's a major issue here in monologue and with that it will be directed to why all and and well ok ranch to it but you need a little bit more something more detail after issue number two to address the piece it's right out of the draft so i wanted to redirect all of us in a firm to the monologue community that that matter is in chapter  and not protect it is something that traditionally our community has a real problem with so that was the lens that i looked at our community plan and how i approach considerations for it so as to let mention on issues is two are very important we know infrastructure is outdated and we have as best as pipe and things like that failing in our county system that provides other problems as we know and so infrastructure improvement is critical and that we identified that so that the  water department can address that issue and our crumbling infrastructure on page three with regards to policies one of the focal points for me and i'm not an expert on water and my profession i use it but i'm not very knowledgeable about a lot of the water rights issues but one of the points is maximum sustainable yield and looking at what we're taking out of the furs and the health of those awkward first and also rice rights customary rights  of native hawaiians regards to really establishing true locations that are really pono that was that hopefully will be addressed now water used to development plan it takes a lot of arguments off the table so supplying sufficient quantities and while protecting our well heads you know my approach on water isn't necessarily a trigger for development or i'm not have some pro growth agenda i'm really interested in what we're currently taking out if we're if we're being healthy with what we're currently taking on a lot of the details on known and i think you've heard me before share that and for us to make land use planning decisions in recommend any type of relocation of  lastly agriculture it's very important we have a lot of prime agricultural lands and that does use water so it's important for us to look at how are using possible water and the impact that's having on our freshwater monologue in the west and to address those water concerns so that's my input on water i name is already and i also want to congratulate all of you for doing what the other group did not do which is come out into the different communities so we came out here last month as the and the number one issue it came on that night was water so the community is saying that they have a problem with water and even though the m i a s is a state system and i guess you guys are a private system that's no excuse because you guys also have things in here regarding the airports the harbor those kinds of things they're not part of the county but you guys are still putting recommendations in there about the future of those facilities so somehow you need to put into this plan that there is a major problem with water up here in one or a major problem and it's not only trying to get all of those hard things go ideally it's you can make the want to look like it's clean the water is coming from an irrigation system nobody should be drinking water that comes from an irrigation system the last two months we had hardly any when it was hot could you can work in the yard it was so hot because there was no winds that system is full of it started dying in that system and you could smell the stench from that system so i don't know how you guys deal with it once you take that stink water from the lobby oh and what you do to that water i don't think you can minimize  a or do anything with that so somewhere in here we cannot allow this community to be drinking water out of an irrigation system that's just that's crazy and especially charging them the highest price in the state of hawaii thank you and it's going to be led by that the u s which is the department of water supply right with the county this is what you're talking about that we need to try to give you put on this plan my question i'm trying to clarify it was do you folks mentioned just a few minutes ago about a water development and in your in your actions eight one zero one it talks about this  the state highway water plan one of the elements there's five elements and one of those elements is the county water use development plan so c worm has mandated that every county must develop a water use and development plan  has basically were acquired that department of water supply take the lead however and quite frankly for the purposes quite of this action table we have to put the lead county agency i suspect that when sea worm comes over here because there are five water systems they will be facilitating ninety they will be facilitating the process but in terms of who physically is right in the plan you know much like this it will be the department of water supply like on maui island right now the county on we have thirty percent of the water system but they're physically right in the plant even though there's other water but the sea worm to your concern will be heavily overseeing this whole process the state across sorry i'm sorry commission on water resources management  right now the department of water supply has said that they're coming out with the maui island water used to plan in june so they project so they're predicting twenty seventeen when they'll start with moloch the other thing as  will have a plan why do they have a current plan this is completely different what eight point one point zero six is referring to and the reason why that action is in here is at the time we were discussing chapter eight water there was a strong interest by the ranch and there has been for a long time the ranch has met with the mayor in a lot of apartment on several occasions to try to get the county to take over the water system so d taylor came out and specifically spoke to that and to try to be helpful in terms of the purposes of the community plan this was a suggestion he said is to have this kind of language and to explore that possibility because right now when you have water systems and marshal could speak to this too but the county when the county takes on infrastructure whether it's solid waste waste water water or roads which we'll talk about later for the county to take that on not only is that they have to show an expense you know they have to show that they can afford to do that it has to be built to code to the county code to address the liability issue and there has to be a public interest in it so there's those three measures so we had a lot of discussion department of health is dealing with a different measure and it's dealing with a different liability so it is a different code and like dave explained as good with roads in order for the county to take this on and then be responsible for the liability and accountability and so forth and whatever cost is associated with bringing it up to their code they have to mean a stronger a higher threshold if you will not to be sarcastic or anything so what does that mean for the  citizens of the county that are in a private water system area that is not up to the county standard of course you know i'm actually going to have because it is a different marsh i don't know if you want to just comment and you know you are responsible for running a private water system but right now what dictates water quality standards in a public system not a privately held public system but a public system is because and the reason i ask you just before you answer is i'm just trying to figure out in my head if all the people of the community the colonies people that they oversee right we all are subject to the same protection and then the county doesn't have jurisdiction but they're looking at transferring and the issue is that the county can't do it because it cost much money to get the system up to cold then there is a lack of concern for the citizens on this side of the island so i just wanted to know because we also talk about in eight point one point zero one that we want to support the development of that plan and the policies and implementation strategies that is consistent with the community plan so if in our school right now if we understand this clearly we can better take a more aggressive approach in our community plan concern about the county public health and public water quality standards whether it's the county whether it's the state whether it's the united states we are all mandated want to comes to water quality by the by the queen water act so all of us in the public not a private water system but in the public i'm just speaking with my county have i must abide by the clean water act and so that's why we have a different i'm not saying it's better it's worse so we have to by law federal law have water so no matter where you turn a tap anywhere in the country if it's a county system that water has been tested and has been and is clean and if it's not then obviously something goes out to us but that is our standard which is a federal standard on the clean water act and on that note whether it's privately held or a municipality is under the same jurisdiction it's we are still called a public water system because we provide water to the public and we are under the same laws and standards we operate our our system to the same standards we have to take the same number of water quality samples and report the same way and any municipal water district would so your bottled water is under the same law and your bottled water can have just as much contamination in it we use the word contamination very loosely and it's shown all over the place no water pure and if you read the language that comes with here you're c c r that's the customer conference report that goes out every year it says all water is real it's reasonable to expect there would be something else besides water in it but it is kept to a low standard to provide you with a reasonably healthy supply of water your bottled water city and private owned all water systems and all water supplied to the public is under the same laws they have to feed meet the same water quality standards know when you look at how much it will cost the colony to take over the system theoretically it would be the most of the monies that we're looking for would be ongoing maintenance and staffing and stuff because because according to what he says if the standards are there are some there are some construction standards that are different we've got good pipeline in the ground we've got good fire hydrants our reserve board we've got one a little older reservoir they will want to see that replaced before they buy it that's that again so when they say it's not up to standard doesn't mean we've got an old broken down car out there it's providing good safe water that meets all the health standards for this one time ok so  that's what they need to address this is the infrastructure to this it's not water quality we meet all the water quality standards i have a question for the county if a developer wants to develop a subdivision like low and maui county says ok you have to provide a water system that say for the community you have to provide roads and you have to do certain things and that's part of the developer's responsibility i'm trying to understand because you're saying that county has no control or in foresman how does how does how do they get off the hook for fulfilling what they agreed to when they got their development rights i'm not getting  i think we're mixing two different things it's not the county it's the state that regulates the water quality the commission on water resources management you're talking about two different things one is water quality and then one is water allocation and whether or not a developer can build in is the water there and that's determined by sea worm and i think it goes back to what greg mentioned in terms of trying to monitor and making sure you're not overtaking the sustainable yield of that particular hour or so see we're regulates the quantity of water and the department of health regulates the water quality think can figure out you know like to be consistent and we did ask them i can figure out how to try to make it a little bit more little bit more meat on issues and policies but i don't know if you already have or should we just i mean if we were interested do we have to put a new eight point one point eleven yes the sort of asking is there anything on water quality action on people will see that it's a state but because right now we look at it from the perspective of what can the county do well the county can continue to fund as they have been watership partnerships the county can continue to promote water conservation the county so that's and again hello my name is denise alameda i've lived here for twenty six years and i've drank but bad water every since is that the irrigation system is also surrounded by pesticide use and not just small farmers spring process i hope people in the house are spraying just as i'd be talking about monochrome and it surrounds the whole reservoir and the existing problem is that we have not only irrigation system with dead but we have pesticides that are going into our system and we can say well maybe we don't but any fool can see that no matter which way the wind blows when you sprain those things some of the better side is getting into the water so if we can see that and identify that under page eighty two under issue number t expand to include testing for pesticides herbicides and fungus sides and all of these sides say they say side because they kill four on your action table eight point one point zero eight you not only trying to i'd like to also increase that eight point one point zero eight to include interim stream flows we have no interim stream flow standards in our mountains and we have seven rivers that are being white and those rivers the waters are now being diverted and it's been doing been doing that for the last one hundred plus years so somehow we need to get the government u s g s to do what it's supposed to do and come up with interim stream flow standards for the rivers so that the things that are living in our rivers can live in our rivers thank you i'm sorry but we do test for pesticides there is a battery of tests done every year on all our water sources as well seventeen in the raw water sources it's done every year it's required but again the same law of water quality and the reason your customer conference report is so short this because it's not found in soho they're not there they do know what to test for we have hundreds and hundreds of things we send them to the laboratories the list you wouldn't believe longer than my arm of what we have that's what we have to send it to certified laboratories and they do this because it's required by law they do this big battery of tests looking for this every year there is actually even a longer list called unregulated chemicals because they're still looking for more and more because there's new stuff coming out of pharmaceuticals and things that the that they haven't tested for the past anything with a side or an eight or an orion at the end they're testing for weekend i just wanted to get clear what was your thoughts on the end of the wording or or what you were trying to get across on that point one point zero eight because as it reads right now it says encourage the acquisition of u s g s stream my last word on more i look forward to i want to meet with you people i hear you say what you don't know and it scares you because i worked for a previous director of the ranch who didn't want to have a water awareness we didn't want to give tours the treatment plant my little plant it's ugly it looks like a warehouse full of old equipment but it makes some of the best water in the state so i want to meet with you let's talk about this thing bring it out because what i hear is you're afraid of what you don't know and lot of what you say i'm sorry is wrong not just because i'm defending the ranch but i got like thirty five years of treating water and what you have for a water source is one of the most pristine i've seen rivers where one community use it goes to their waste plant it goes back to the river downstream ten miles the the next community takes it out of the river treats it the same technology uses it to drink puts in the waste water plant back in the river they do that seven times down the length of the river right and i understand that but you have one of the most pristine and as you think not just to defend the ranch but so that you cannot understand in your heart what's really the risk associated with what you hear is in the water that's that i want to meet you guys please calling irrigation water is just like mr tempest saying the fish in the snails are in it the birds fly over it that's out in an open reservoir by the time he gets through but i'm at least my plant i but the last time i gave it to or to some officials i held up a jar of water that looked like the table top and i held up another juror water that was prettier than the water in the bottle the plastic bottle because that's what that little plant is capable of doing i drink it myself if my children lived here they would drink it to get a higher risk of the chemicals used in the food you eat and in the peanut butter in the beer you drink there are so many chemicals in the in there that are but because they're voluntary they're not regulated by the same laws that we are about water we have to treat water so pure it's not funny you lose most of it on the garden and wash the car and flush the toilets but we treat it all to a standard to make it safe and if it wasn't we send out letters to tell you so marshall can you set up a separate meeting for next thank you for being here and i just i actually have just a few questions because we're talking about irrigation water getting you know and i am mr dave for the record i'm sorry that i'm done and i live in this this area so they're talking about where m i a s provides the water for monologue which is irrigation water which seems to me kind of like you could have surface water and it just gets just as dirty as as irrigation water basically so it's my understanding and i just want to be clear and i want to bring up this point is the e p a regulates clean water by the clean water act is that correct underneath the e p a there are certain water standards that are a national standard if you are a water provider you have to meet those standards in my correct if you go below those standards and it is harmful to the recipients that are receiving the water they would shut you down is that correct if you go below us down that is not poisonous or detrimental to health but you have gone below or haven't met the standard but it's not detrimental to health they won't close you down and they will tell you to submit a letter to the recipients am i correct so what i'm understanding then is the water although it was detectable it wasn't detectable to the point that it would harm someone ok so that m i us water that we use for drinking water here when it risk comes to your facility then before it comes out to this community yeah i have i have all i can start off ok saw and like to make a motion and i'm going to make it and then yes can talk about it and on eight point one underwater i don't be issues to issue number two potential i wanted to add on potential contaminating activities p c s have been identified in may pose a threat to water quality can we add on and dress potential threats to quality can we add on to address c s excuse me i'm just parroting what she said potential contaminant activities my understanding of the term it's the old cars parked on hillsides it's cattle being worked right up against a reserve for its septic tanks and cesspools that are not up to standard it's not what happens to the reservoir or would happen to mountains or if it's recreational activity in the area of our stream runoff that we're collecting for drinking water that's what they mean by potential contaminated activity not what happens downstream of the reservoir and in treatment plants and stuff if you  just because that's my understanding of it i'm going to say thirty five years plus and i've done what you guys meant when you said p c s and being identified and  contaminating activities have been identified that may pose a threat to the water quality so it's really general the way i'm thinking it is anything infrastructure bad practice there there are sufficient teeth in their action plan here to put in safeguards to protect the water supply to address model lowest concerns pacifically  i actually think education is more important than because  maybe you want to put some of the teeth it's in there is there it's not been called out as a risk or a policy for an action plan yet so  have protection ordinance and p c user defined by federal standards and they have different radius radiuses of different types of potentially could have been adding activities within a wellhead within a watershed with things like that so i would say on issue number two specifically really as to the moped rough well have protection or and if there's another issue that you'd like to bring up might i suggest that you place it as a second issue or a secondary or additional issue because this issue here specifically know policy number four does address the issue unless you want to make a motion or another issue specific to here yeah yeah yeah because because even like even like to me even that policy is a little bit weak but i'm not ready to give i so that's a good question john so you have this broad policy it doesn't mean it's watered down but it's trying to accomplish these concerns so when you look at the action you can how do you do that how do you as growing and robert broad approach their eight point one point four develop adopt and implement a well have protection strategy an ordinance for county water distribution systems which by the way part of that wardens would prohibit things that walter has brought up things that byron is brought up that is the whole point of that ordinance  point one point seven it's looking at and that is why for example with that policy that's why it says it the way it says it is trying to embrace him to try to try to cover all the water systems where these concern the department of water supply engineering so that's something that is separate from water use and development plan the standards are completely different there's something in policy yeah  checkerboard squares of all the roll ups and they bring a ton of paraquat well to lure that hundred tons but that was almost fifty years ago but you know testing for it not may not be under water but we can see the patterns of what the chemicals have been doing to the land so what do we know we just want to continue to di sustainability quality and supply issue after demand sustainability quality and then the sentence ends with and supply issues it's ok to you know one motion eight point one point zero seven i would like to change the word explore to support and encourage the possibility of the ws taking over discussion i want it so great support and encourage shanteau i don't understand why you want to let the ranch off the hook and make  the taxpayers assume there's their responsibilities what is it going to do to our taxes in the us because we get that spares up here who are paying way higher water bills then can communities frustration because the fact that a man or his monologue never did have clean water and maybe it doesn't meet the national standards where you take the test and it says it's allowable but ever since the plantation was here one always had dirty water everybody i mean we raised generations of kids on that water and saw you know whether people die from it or what i cannot say that for sure it is not my experience but i can tell you that the water is always been dirty soul so i agree with your i'm just water one tool having in a comparable party that we can make part of a process like this and insure it at that things work all in the best benefit of the community i mean and then what happens if the ranch completely shut down and the just don't have the money to operate the water system what then do we in an urgent situation cause the county now has to take over or do we start to look at really encouraging that transition in a way that can be feasible to our our taxpayers because if come one point where the rent shuts down and we go over on an emergency basis what happens then i don't know i don't think we have enough information to make that decision in this meeting if i may the director of water supply came to us deepak made in there was a large discussion on this back and forth and the director was comfortable with the action as worded he he he put forth this action and said that we as a department could explore this possibility because there have been ongoing conversations between the department the mayor and a ranch and there's a lot of detail that goes into it from just the detail of the infrastructure system and being able to inventory it the county is not going to buy a system that they don't know what all the nuts in the bolts are so the ranch has three of the provide that information there's a whole lot that goes into it and i understand your desire to make explore stronger by scene support and encourage but i think saying exploring putting this on the table and asking the department to do this it is starting the conversation it is moving in that direction to see if it can happen ok so i had a fifth generation or is it five generations we've been exploring possibilities for that at what point do we really take a stand to do something in one way or another this may whatever way we can is it will be conservation of business it's either going to be this or that and i think sometimes the the sheaves of gray and taking away from what is black and white is is what gets us into a lot of these these legal this is a community plan intended for the next ten years at lease so we were an expert for ten more years that's one more generation of people that won't be exploring saw those just kind of my concern and you know what it means very well be that nobody else is willing to take that step either way or one way or another i mean i mean to be honest if somebody said demand do this or that i probably would vote for that too just to make a stand in one way or the other but but maybe what might help since we discussing is that the monologue people come up with the west in policy statement for your community that best fits your community to help us streamline the process and come to your side of the aisle in the east in the main began one wonderful example of how each individual community can be responsible for your own growth and if you want to dictate government's fingers are too long already so that's only on that point what we're trying to accomplish i agree with you and i want to add on an interim stream sorry and here to interim stream floor standard let me just make one comment about the u s g s stream gauges a lot of them that did exist were shut down and they were shut down because slowly because a lack of funding congress got slashed and so forth they are coming there is critically important for many many different reasons to have a us stream gauge because we did have us just speak about this on maui at a couple of water meetings typically it's done in a partnership way so u s g s comes and it's a live stream gauge in the critical importance of it is it is that it measures it measures the stream flow so the reason why you want stream gauges if you want to put them in the streams which by the way there is a fee every year it's usually thirty thousand dollars or so because it provides a live data feed which is very very important terms of determining to determine interim stream flow so i don't know that adding the language i just to me you've got to have the stream gauges to collect the data to determine term in the interim stream flow so one connects to the other you don't just say it here to in term stream for you need those gauges to document as walter's brought up the past meetings the that the reason why i would put something like that in is you can put all the gauges you want in a stream and come up with whatever analysis that you have doesn't mean that you're going to end here two or b or use best best management practices to make sure that those interim streams are flowing properly just because you put the gauge in there it doesn't mean that there's any enforcement for the health and welfare of the streams and also the first part of that is right so now the way i look at it is adding that on just means we having to gauge and we having to gauge for this specific purpose we're not just having to gauge period yeah again this is something the county has no control over whatsoever is completely mandated and regulated by the commission on water resources management what the county can do though is get the gauges the county can do that so i know that she just gave us this book but i've been looking at that too so there's a lot of cultural practices and traditional practices that pertains to water that mandy that kind of stream flow activity and what needs to it seemed more appropriate but i think though the recommendations that were given to us in its entirety is a good gauge for a lot of this water conversation that we have and plenty  of plenty of public facilities and other things that we're talking about so i don't know if the commissioners have a chance to look at that but that's the best way to that i would i would gauge water would be allowed to be taken out and how much water needs to be there in order for that river to survive and that's a really different process and they haven't done it for the last hundred years because it's not an easy process but if we don't not good for anybody to have streams that are diverted to the point where there's no no water left in the streams that that's something that i think nationwide and worldwide people are fighting to bring their stream back to life again because the whole system is dependent on those things even if the water doesn't get down to the ocean and you're creating a whole mess in the ocean there's no more levi or there is no no growth going on there so it's affecting our reeses affecting everything so in the old one hundred years ago nobody cared but i think now we're much more and the last day state constitutional laws even state that you have to do these things so we just need to tell them you need to do it on walking i think it's critical  system and to be perfectly honest like that that is pretty relevant to me and my ohana because of the coulee me area so if you look at the water and coming down to the ocean now compared to it was no standards yeah so if you put standards then they're going to have to more water come down and the money part is at one point when they did gauge that river because that's that's my where my family is a big question of where my family is from they took the measurements from the  of the river where it flows on a long long time ago but then when you just take that measurement and you don't mandate that there's so much sustainable you that coming down for all the cultural practices and what what have you it just stops right there so people can will so that's that's probably the hugest  was like this chair public testimony was closed and we had a motion on the floor in reality i mean you know i hear you calling all like water solids and all that kind but i think they're being confused because it's still in chapter eight we closed public testimony for chapter eight yes we have close character we have a motion on the can i make a recommendation regarding your motion so in the plan you have action eight point one point zero eight encourage the acquisition of u s g s stream gauges to be placed in the important streams pam is saying that this is an action that the county can take towards this issue perhaps adding a policy on the previous page since interim stream flow standards are a responsibility of the state of the worm perhaps we could add a policy to encourage the worm to establish and here to interim in stream flow  standards encourage the worm to establish and here to interim interim stream flow standards will the action table really needs to be where the county can really take a lead and we do have an action in there that does pertain to this issue with the county as a lead so i just had  you talk about stream flow is is there any or any i know it hasn't been done for a long time but is there any reference that we can go back to so that if there's a  policy number twelve will say encourage to establish and here to interim stream flow standards so that brings us to waste water need any further recommendations for the water section anybody else have any further recommendations for the water section commissioner well i was trying to get to that but ok nobody else says anything on water then we'll move to waste what chapters eight nine has seven sections each so i would recommend that we allow the public to testify before each before each section so we that's what if we're alone for more public testimony i mean it well i would say this is at the district it's not the destruction of this chair wastewater see anybody stepping up for waste water so whether it's a typo or what my misunderstanding what i'm reading issue five in the text and existing conditions it says that the wastewater treatment plant is has reached its seventy five percent and eighty three percent capacity they didn't require an update of the plane on issue five is currently operating at a flow rate above the acceptable rate of fifteen percent but it's at right but i'm saying it issue five says it's an acceptable rate of fifteen percent of capacity ok but that's not a it's not called out as a problem or an existing condition it's not an issue fifteen percent of capacity but it's not so why is it it explain why c pack put that in there because it's it's like a gross understatement of what's going on issue five page eight point six calling it an issue that the water treatment plant is operating at fifteen percent of capacity a back number this was a waste water is not one of my specialties but i do know that in the draft plan that was provided to us by the plain department and it comes in consultation from what we were told planning department stop because of this was not something that we determined as a super pac this was something that was provided to us as a concern from the department this is like that this is language that came from the department of environmental management which is not dave good he's public works but it was discussed on the night they were both here and there was concern prior to the director prior to this five saying that they are not when they do reach seventy five percent or higher of capacity then they are mandated to do a facility plan because the question was why have they not done one when in fact it was shown that they don't need to do  because they haven't reached seventy five percent of capacity what they did say is where they are at right now is at fifteen percent of capacity so that's what they're operating at right now so they are well within the range that they need to be and so that hasn't been wa the say the plant's capacity is point three million gallons a day that's three hundred thousand gallons a day when they talk about how the water is used what's going to reuse and what is not the comes to a total of two hundred fifty thousand gallons that's eighty three percent of the point three million gallons a day it's not fifteen percent capacity  yes there was a lot of discussion about the location not only in this chapter but also in chapter four hazards and i can tell you that as you probably have already read the actions you'll see that there are actually actions here talking about  eight point two point zero one about the feasibility of whether or not to move a conic of highways water treatment facility so yes there were discussion there were actions and it's in here and it's also in the hazard mitigation plan and it's ranked a high priority action under f commissioners anymore input on the waste water this move out to storm water it's eight point three storm water management any public input storm water management a continuation of that of that drainage plan the reason for this action item as i recall is because the master drainage plan hasn't been fully implemented there's a drainage system there but it comes to an end with no outlet that's why every time it rains heavily or we get runoff the town fills up with water because all of the drains they come to an abrupt end and so what it was is to allow that plan that has already been approved by multiple agencies whether it be the county and the state and the federal government to all of the standards that conoco master drainage plan has been approved by all of the appropriate agencies to implement that to complete it so we don't continue to see the flooding that happens within because of the fact that it has not been fully implemented that's my recollection thank you thank you for the question this is kind of a complicated issue in that we know we have point source pollution we have standards that are currently in place with the county to try to maintain in new standards all runoff that would happen on the site from leaving that site and that's a real general prayuth paraphrase that statement to keep any contaminants or waste water from impacting other properties and running into the ocean however eight point three storm water if there is not an outlet for that storm water to go that it collects in town and so natural gravity takes it out like most of our storm water systems in those storm water channels that are throughout the county in our case one of them being carted going out to the wharf but i think the intent that we understand is that i mean there from what i understand we do have standards in place such as detention basins and other means in our county code to prevent that runoff happening in the first place so it's more like an overflow in that sense right and there's also places like downtown concord guy that never had those standards put in place so that's the only way for water to escape as you know and now we see the  trucks which come in the low lying areas and got water and then they suck it up and they put it in the correct in the in the waste water treatment facility or other suitable area depending on what they do i agree with your didn't have all that build up before so i just that's why i was just wondering if the implementation was of that original plan which would mean you would have to remove a lot of that stuff that that is now commissioner in your packets you were provided a sheet of planning department recommended changes there are two that apply to water management page eight line thirty seven which is policy five which reads encourage development of an integrated affective and environmentally sensitive storm water management system from through a partnership of a large landowners of five highway our recommendation would be to delete large before landowners so that it just reads partnership of landowners in our second recommendation is on the same page regarding the foot no and the footnote refers to a glossary but insead to just put in a definition for green infrastructure and to add that green infrastructure uses natural systems constructed soils rock or plant based systems for surface and storm water management just so that definition is right there rather than having to refer to the glossary so just two simple recommendations  boy let's take a break ten minutes