comments that we heard some of the proposed changes that we're proposing in those three districts i think on the fed were twenty which is next monday we're going to focus in on the  go back and provide a some type of further analysis in the way of a simulation to see how that would work they actually provided that in a in show is a scale that would more than simulate what would occur within the next twenty years and what you see is that that intersection functions the of the bulk of the turns are coming in the this is the pretty much the design looking at it the design has an issue it's how you deal with that parking lot that exists now for the trail and that's something they want to look amount of play in the in in all directions so we had asked them whether or not there was an example of a round of district twelve that was the size of what we're looking at here they pointed to us to this roundabout that apparently has been place for a number of years at the near the entrance of st vincent's call each and as you can see either it was under construction to the time but what it has in addition to the single way it has a decorative apron around it that is that is either concrete or asphalt that allow trucks that have to have a larger turning radius to be able to do it without damaging the roundabout the other thing is because where this was located there was a real interest in doing something with the center of that so they brought electricity and water into the center of that so that it could be leant scaped and they were going to the rolling to do that in this project as well as long as the township willing to take over responsibility for the maintenance of that failing that they will take over responsibility for the maintenance and the interior circle will be simply concrete in some of the other thing you see in this intersection is that it's lighted and they're proposing that this intersection would need to be light as well so that going to be able to go to be bought and come out out way that is in on something that they consider so i can tell you whether they consider that or not we would have to ask them whether they consider that but i don't know that we necessarily it shows is what we expressed here the other thing is they wanted to share what the projects the status of these projects were you know the way the program works is there is a twelve year program the twelve year program is the biden to three four year program and they have something under construction and it has to be in that first four years these projects are not on any of those  reason why they wanted to meet with us is they these projects for district twelve are important and they want to get them so that they can be constructed and of course the way they're interested in and making that happen is to have the township contribute to the cost of the project now we should be concerned about doing that from this standpoint you know we have a traffic impact be we've been living it for years with the intention of doing improvements t intersections and if you look at that plane and the vast majority of the back all of those intersections involved in some way shape or form state road so the reason why you're collecting that money is to encourage to do exactly what it is they're talking about doing here and i think we should be prepared to make that kind of commitment to get these projects moving if back we participate there's no guarantee but they're saying that the roundabout may well be under construction in two and a half years the other project is further down the road but they would like to know whether or not we would consider partnering so that they can use that to get on the twelve year play and so that in fact both of them could have money program for there and one of the things of it was interested that we would propose doing is we're going to we're going to either revise that plan this year or completely redo it and if we're redoing it or revising that is to make sure that money is available to do that this intersection project that we're here as well the roundabouts about two million dollars the intersection project they estimated two million three hundred fifty thousand dollars could you clarify again neither of them right now is on the list but they have the drawings for the round and there's the thompson it was lagging behind the zero they have the the the drawings for the roundabout are much more and  willing to help with the with the cost of which that you go well you know we try to get an answer that i don't think they're willing to give you that but i can tell you what my experience from the past has been if in fact  marriages the person who's here is well aware of the problem that occurred on a tear and it's part of that meeting apologize one more time for the for the way every taken the money the blade the ball of it and he understands that and  he also understands that we're not interested in contributing to anything except the construction of the project in so that money would not be requested until at whatever point get structure was ready to begin and they'd give  the project cost and i right now you're sitting on in the traffic impact these i think it's about six hundred eighty thousand dollars so we're not far from being able to get to where this number is that we we need and  we always have the ability if we were slightly short as we were on the one up here on center church is the land it money in is development a curse to pay ourselves back toward the process of doing that you last minute about to close down their project because they had a hundred thousand dollars shortfall and that they were only looking to fill a gap that they had that wasn't a situation where we parked where them up front on a and they want to know before they commit that money into that design whether or not when that designs done going to be willing to participate so my guess is if we tell them no i think the project stops here the further design does not occur and as i said again as i explained to them but the beating was we are not going to accelerate design by contributing to design because that is not in the township sadrist our interest is getting a project  where i think we should participate in this i think we need to get together with the percent clear and scott township and see whether or not it makes sense to take the separate price for those who have automated recycling in terms of the cost of of picking up the recycling but also the cost of taking out the the solid waste because you're right it may be different i don't know whether that difference is substantial enough to make a huge difference in the cost but we should be able to find that out and so i think if we work together with twitter and i think we may be able to get in shape color to take that kind of bid they take when you look at this been document they slight increase in property tax or you pay that with quarterly bills waste management doesn't care haulers doing things in the township with specialized trucks in and pick ups and that they don't never to if in fact we're doing this on the ground the reason why they do it is that all these things for all these municipalities are part of the condition of that  fact what we have done in the past the existing authorizing resolution isn't as clear as this is in terms of pointing to this being goal and so we're suggesting that we should clarify the township's position and adopt a resolution to do that the other thing is that you would have normally seen at this meeting made list of records being authorized to be destroyed and that's coming to you with the deck speedy what i wanted to talk to you about just briefly is that what has never been included in that list of records to be destroyed are the emails that the township receives on a regular basis and the reality is that how all those e mails are being treated as of the day is different depending on who's receiving them there are people who have emails that go back where ever there are people who clean your email box every day and i don't think that's according to the to the stipulations on the records retention that what i'm going to suggest to counsel is and you will see that in the resolution that comes to you is that in fact we hold on to emails for a given period of time and then after that point did they be they'd be authorized or destruction in that we remove them and we're still trying to come go get senses amongst ourselves whether that's two or three years but they're they're governed by the same rules as a physical document but right now we save them forever and and i think it's problematic from tuesday in point we get a night right to know request about a subject matter and you can narrow it but we're back looking multiple years back sometimes for e mail records i don't think that serves the interest of anybody the other thing is this record that we don't know that what is there isn't there and if we are involved in something where  being asked to provide some court action all the records back on that subject work or hunting for things that we that we don't know do or don't exist and i think it would be much cleaner if in fact there was some deadline by which we got rid of these things so we were to just i think it's two or three years and then we're going to try to come up we've been talking this back and forth but i  that is a request for a service you know the record retention act beats the how long you need to hold onto that we need to educate people here as to how to do that so that we don't believe things that we need to be is that those the records need to be kept in the same based upon that the characterization of the record for the same like the time as as the paper copy of that same rec what the current wording says is that you can solicit from nottingham on the nine pm and what we're suggesting is the change that to sunset so that fact if somebody was coming to your door in the winter time they would not be coming here in the dark if they were coming in the summertime you know right now you don't have a problem with that but that's one change and the other change is we had a with people in essence inviting themselves into people's homes and we want to be sure that the perfidy under scenes that that's not to occur in also we want to establish some standard by which you actually sell things so that you don't  misrepresent the product you're selling with the real reason why this came back is that we had a problem with a solicitor who had people who forced themselves into people's homes and they came back and  that's right this is a county project can see what it is one of the things that we i do think we want to ask for is that there be consideration for the kind of things that penn dog does in terms of bridges i don't think it should just be a cement bridge we have to try to do the kind was and she's a much harder critic than i am what are the things i begin discussions with the public works department of public works you know about the maintenance of rolling hills both the union stewar and joe person believe that they have the capacity to do the maintenance of the lawn in that given that we're not going to attempt to do it you know as that was but we're going to do it on a periodic basis what i would like to be able to do is to give them a shot to do that to be able to demonstrate whether or not they can and  also determine what impact that has on our ability to get on the remainder road work done you know one of the things that joe points out is that you know we we have set aside thirty thousand dollars to contract out for that and he said even if they feel sure it had to do some work on it over time basis is a walk approach that that kind of money so he believes he can actually get it done and save money at the same time i think it's worth giving him a shot and see what ha section of the property we met to briefly discuss to try to coordinate dad so that you know we're not no we'd one side and their side be taller and then you know so that we tried to raise the schedule so that works out of them were both out there out pretty soon where there's warming up these are getting longer more traffic at the parking lot and thomas road and that intersection continues to the one not to approve the other thing is i don't know where power is you know is there i can tell you you know we were just looking at the school crossing signs and i'm always completely thrown by what that simple kind of sighing cost to