of office or its use me april fourteenth or the early morning of april fifteenth and the police were in and he was then transported to the hospital and went to where he lived with his father and according to the petition he was admitted there april at least from two forty am maybe a little bit before in fact until six thirty pm so we don't know he was given an outside titian well he must have been and then  all this time he's apt the hospital and no doctor has examined well we don't know if he was being evaluated we don't know if he was being treated for sure but at any rate no one certified him her and voluntary admission until eight pm and that was and last seen i spent all emergency room so we don't know for sure if he was detained in the e r or if he had been on there their mental health floor but at any rate after that then he was transported to mcfarland where he was again examined by a doctor and  it i hear he had a history of asperger's and he was eighteen years old living with this monster i think he kept played hours i think he face because in court then they had her wrists a witness and as a family member there had been no so the petition would have been effective on those grounds as well but besides what i've already said that it should be but it doesn't always happen there and i think in this case it totally didn't happen they're there but the problem is in this case preposition i mean in other words the police he really believed that he was on them all kelly had to say was not whole you know after demure the legislature changed so six so that because they said the problem was the police officers  here because we don't hinder you from a shoot about the response family because you won't disclose it is not their lives in costa rica which is our case for a week or so ago rather than just leaving it bloody and that there are certain questions that ought to be asked what do we do short of just these are regular use in reverse or these are regularities and but unfortunately they've been for places you know it takes like five minutes to go through just and the emergency cases just to go through and see what you need to do i mean if you can't remember it and i think it's all very clear and simple and i think like with him if they're going to make him god so let me i just think they s has made a distinction that the timeframe to start running the individual has to be in the psychiatric wing of the hospital and i just this court rejected the idea here of course right here though the flip side of that is do they really want to keep him in the emergency room for sixteen or seventeen hours which would be the opposite of back surely knowing that person whose only goal to care for themselves i mean it's the state's position the lawyer who's representing whom fails to do his or her job by clarifying because that's what the objection is going to do sometimes this information is available that failure results you know forfeiture which the state is able to point to as a forfeiture of the rights of the very person whose rights are being snatched away from them by in this  case he eighteen year old snatched from his mother's arms and placed in a facility you know eighty miles away or however far we see is from from springfield never having lived away from home before i mean it and if i don't know that things change it's my hope that regard but there was no training provided for the prosecutors they just kind of watch the previous hearings that the some other people didn't get the veterans us course it's because the attitude do whatever you do doesn't really matter because this person is mentally ill and you're going to be out many days anyway or very whatever that attitude is the attitude that we want to help them the mom is distraught we're trying to do the right thing so you listen to some testimony and you decide this kid will be better off and refiling getting his medication and he'll probably get to go home early which is if what happened once his medication was regimented in was ok or or he and just that's the very attitude that prevails in this route so for us to adopt the same attitude and won't matter what we say this perpetuates self perpetuating problem and enables the very end efficiencies and irregularities and perhaps we're beyond the point you're talking about negligence we're talking about the star