crimes and she was an appeal she was subject to a deportation order if you travel for three years once a month sometimes every fifteen days dental service visiting family it's all in the record so it wasn't just a casual deal she was she was behaving like any ordinary person would i can go to mexico i family i go down to my medical and she just looked your life like she has to live right the only problem is you seventy three deportation order and then we get a proxy because the regulation was three point four zero right i mean i'm sympathetic to this but i think the it's sort of like a catch twenty two every time you turn a corner you run into problems and i'm not too sure i understand the significance of trips back and forth from mexico i'm not too sure i understand what happens when she goes across the border and if you fly three point four that's not her deportation because final i don't understand the fact that she was caught in the united states four it's been in existence forever i mean minor with thirty years or whatever it says that if you're under a deportation order and it's on appeal and if you leave the country you executed the deportation order now right or wrong that's what's being argued here and that that's when i get in trouble because then i'm trying to sort out what how that all fits within the existing status of the law we've had so many changes in the immigration law it's hard to get through this if you're saying it's key on appeal because i get lost at that point because i don't even know how to analyze other than the fact that what the government is arguing three point four your keyboard is all over i mean that's what that's what i hear anyway and that's what the governments are going and what i'm arguing  fast three point four in the manner that we have here where i think if i remember right it's five years since the deportation order before this is resolved and gets  a challenge yeah i don't i don't believe that there was an equal protection argument raised from the other places far as i can tell you now in my case i tried to raise an equal protection argument because it's my client had been an exclusion proceedings and that deportation then there's no regulation that's what i'm saying i don't see that i can find any lock their work where you are you're in a very unique position with regard to three point four and it's very confusing mean i see three years at least once a month sometimes every fifteen days but that's the whole point the immigration laws been changed so many times you don't know where you fit and what i find is if you had a green card never taken away from her and she used that green card and the privilege and the rights that she had under the green card you conduct your life while five years goes by while the ins does nothing ok she filed her feel five years go by just to get medical treatment she goes home to see your family so now she's back and across the border nobody stopped her to border what would have happened if somebody stopped at the border we have a different case that's because there's due process argument and it gets so confusing from there i don't think there's a case anywhere out there exactly like this case because merely the fact that she had a deportation order but had to green card which they don't put a badge on and say don't use this what what are the rights of that green card subject to deportation  with the same conduct bringing over her cousin and over that border she was the susceptible to the in place inclusion proceedings there was a provision for smuggling and conceivably she could have been caught under that provision parole in iran but kept her in exclusion proceedings it's kind of crazy but i think that's what they do they might but they didn't have to they could have kept her outside the international court or i mean that's because she has american children she's been here i don't know how many years and she's got she's got all the citizens rights in this family all that's interesting and that's what what i'm griping about about is changes in the law so what the issue is what happens through her as a result of the way she was carter what happened i'm not i don't have any i'm not targeting crowing about this morning i'm seeing what happens next is this about two twelve see here on our much larger than to talk to the discussing the eligibility for two top the that the immigration judge sent to become eligible you need to show me some sort of rehabilitation and she's like ok your honor i know that my cousin was not a u s c when i was doing the forever and the moment you cross the border and in this one i don't think it's just one sign i mean i think the russians she's admitted she want to cross the street three years then that means that she executed the deportation order and  situation in which involuntary departure a person is granted a form of relief so that they have consequences don't accrue in the future and this is a situation  thanks client it was ordered deported from the united states she had a final she had an order of deportation from the immigration judge there was nothing more for her to do  which i withhold they have certain rights and privileges with that green card and then they run into three point four before the order of deportation has been reviewed and she didn't withdraw our she sat around for five years waiting for them to do something she would not have withdrawn her appeal well i just made a quick check on the alimentary where i had worked on this and this brings in the flu exception and that's where your case i think is absolutely different than any others i don't know but between fl three years later four years they find and that's why we have the problems just because they're for old again and that's that's another one of the brilliant parts of the ins problem right well i'm in my reply brief i try to distinguish a little