uncontested testimony evidence from the trial established that david margaret held these almost unspeakable beliefs with respect to his four children and also established that there was absolutely no done contestants this is not a situation where this court needs to provide data points to a trial judge with respect is assessment of credibility or weigh the evidence there was no conflicting i'll just repeat here the supreme court in the bible does conclusively by implication saying that if a test hater was affected with a morbid or insane delusion as to one of those to his word children it's inconceivable that he could make a rational sustainable testamentary land with respect to those children speculation as to this possible other cause he might have done the same which side you're on i submit here on the side of protecting the natural children of the testing the situation with his kids and always issues and the other thing with respect to the attorney if they'd myron had held these delusions with respect to his children which i think is the staff to look at the judge's record i'm asking you to look at the evidence that was presented skaters and make your own reason common sense conclusions as you're sitting there with their father believing this as it is to make common sense to think he's going to leave them stuff so he's going to leave it somewhere else and he tells attorney he doesn't tell us turney about all these episodes that is his and what he believes about  jobs and on his farm so it's not as if you know they had no contact with him they were continuing to have that relationship he continued their relationship with his grandsons through this period in amperage as well so i don't i  that is not you know consistent with an estrangement there with your standard which is our standard well it's whether it's against the and only make sense you can't have a ballot disposition has that so clouds and so blocks that testator's mind how can you conclude that he would have done this anyway given to someone else so your position is that the trial court should not have even considered whether or not he possibly would have done this anyway there if fails to want to fails at all so even under the state's position that there's any other cause there was no other cost suggested or proven the suspect andrea and the second wife but his middle son mothers and out of picture a long time heard i know those are all over cases but i think they're still grab on they are still supreme court cases and i think i think that's what we're talking about here making that assumption but for that and so you look at the doctor you look at his banker you look at his attorney and and and he has valid reasons also but the grandchildren i apologize for not getting i was trying to get their grandchildren changed he doesn't see his grandchildren during this time period he's also not allowed to have them overnight i understand but that's heart wrenching in a sense but it can be a bad the case last year you can leave your kids out for bad reasons and also you're not required to give your children any that's sad but that's the la maybe there should be something that says you have to leave your children something but that's not a lot of time also it mark says he could have left a bigger you're right and i point out he could have led to his grandchildren too if he'd so chosen he loves grandkids uncommon to set up things up for grandchildren especially when you have problems with your kids whatever that reason might be so much money are we talking about this is that it would be the acreage in pike county the problem the money is is the number of acres and i'd have to acknowledge the number of acres it's a seven hundred acres i give you the price right now though right twenty five hundred for a herd is accurate at one time pike county got all the way up to eight thousand that was crazy it never should have been there just as i think in the case of arson fraud was going on there which drove the price of the land up on recreational ground it disputed that the other grandparents an opposite side were a lot of to for example have the grandchildren over take them out to events be by themselves doing like whatever activities that normal grandparents do so i don't again i don't think it's odd or unreasonable but he had completely valid reasons to do this and again i go back to the burdens involved at the trial court level he was willing to share the burden to show that it would otherwise not have been created at this level if it gets even worse it has to be now but but that's that stuff though that's the problem on appeal and i've been on the other side of that as well as that burden of proof and the n b a and then the standard to review then are difficult and in this case i believe that th grandkids the only testimony or evidence in this record relates to an incident that occurred over the holidays in two thousand thanksgiving and christmas this was months after he did his will so that bad was the time the family said we're not going to have you for these when he did that so that occurred four or five months after he is we'll so can't possibly have factored into this decision so i i think it's really disingenuous to use theirs as an and they're her kids and she made that decision so that doesn't corroborate anything with respect to the relationship between the sons and was there any evidence that related to understandable that mother would be reluctant he's also had health problems heart attacks many other problems overweight to have her small young boys spend a night and bail so annoyed with their grandfather i think  know i understand her anxiety to andrea myra say she's not surprised that she was cut out for spending the dead man's stash she can testify to things her father told her in that relationship other people did acknowledged loving relationship that he would take that as a rational step we could have easily bypassed his kids and provided for his own rangers so i think as a further indication why this will not be allowed to stand