which is also i believe four we don't have a really good audience but thank you to people who are coming the first item on the agenda is going to be just a very quick one the construction manager at rece images of the building of the specifications which you see in front of you the book itself and the documents which contain the architectural drawings and the sultan drawings so tonight we been specific we specifically were and develop to do a design development drawings on the construction documents drawings so we're going to look at the rear facade first and we have been looking at we did go to a budget exercise and we did that a lot of materials right now the dominant material is brick on the south side of precast material on the north side and we'll talk about that little further when we go around the building detail kind of from the protests idea on the actual theater itself just to kind of break it up a little bit because that's something that we develop when there aren't any windows and it's pretty solid and how we actually develop that in terms of the picture architecture that is something we will continue to work on the other thing we did and as we were back on the other side of rejection from the community you really can't see much of this it's still pretty far away if i mean one thing that's important to say is that that that the rich jim piece the locker room is clearly distinctive and we're not going to turn to something it isn't so we're defining that on its own and that's where it's going to  ballot question is being written right now for that meeting actually i have asked that the seven to twelve p part of the ballot question so that it's very clear to every voter that it's seven to twelve but if if anybody feels it's important to have the name often the language of the ballot question yes yes it's it's very complicated we actually have an agenda item i'll talk to it when when it comes to the agenda item but yes the question itself is not going to be complicated right it's just the process and so the question is going to you the board of selectmen and you're going to make a decision as to whether or not to put it to the voter but it's an awfully quick turnaround for the school committee to make a decision by then so it's probably going as belmont high school but somewhere in the question i don't know where george hall will put the word seven to twelve or that that's going to be there so that we don't have a challenge later on that i didn't realize it wasn't just the high school i mean we're trying to troubleshoot whatever so should we are you running the language in  so and then and then yes that's the question is the concern that people will be confused come november that they're voting ok because i feel like the high school building project at the time has a building committee it's been consistently  i agree with the fact that the configuration is seven to twelve i don't think it's that doesn't change necessarily so i mean that the application went in for the high school and it's evolved but i i don't i don't i feel a sense of urgency that i don't think  we'll continue to discuss it and make sure that people are aware that it's a seven through twelve i school it is two schools  any other questions or comments on the presentation  so this is entering the building from high school side from the west arrive right inside here you'll have a guidance the administration for the high school directly on the right incredible opportunity it's incredible opportunity to infuse your mission and what the community represents and what the school represents and what the stories are telling in this school and it's a really amazing experience to yes and we will ask for a group to represent the community so it can be confusing members school committee students your group it's a really special experience that we ar bringing the branding elements in there in the costings in the project in the design so it's not so we don't we rather not tack it on later we want to be part of the evolution of the design how that seems used in the bill because i think it's fine for you to see what is that what that when you said that most schools don't do a lot of why do they not do it it's just not something most people do they don't have the resources they don't have i mean it's we'll see we'll see what  all of the schools in it and to tell a story about the history of all the images go out all the school all that so there was a story they wanted to tell in that is that a little more than the logo in the center probably but or so this is up on the fourth floor that i'm looking into the major spaces so these are the spaces that are alike through on the multistory common space that is not an alley   this area share is really low cost really developed for both the middle school to access my school where we see glass like this we talk about this the glass may not come all the way down right floor right right right now he should just see that all are looking at transparency in those areas that we're not saying it's going to be all a single class right together but there may be lower levels because there will be furniture in the room as we develop and then me go along i mean power out on one side and the younger side where you're walking walkers and that's great because you went to fifty percent of mockers in the high school and that allowed us to have a one sided we get to the point we have to enclose the area a little bit more than we do that but the first the first thing is how can we keep it like this and how do you have like see the overhang there's a lot of political elements in there on the walls that there's a very amazing and i i worry that it looks too good from a from the perspective of trying to win over the community to support the effort  you know i don't know i mean that sounds silly because you know you obviously want to design the best bill you possibly can but i wonder how we're going to manage that that message moving forward especially anticipating the november vote  and i think also is a little bit surprise where we were talking about the branding in the additional cost of it and i could really hear a compelling argument from people saying well why are we why are we spending money on this branding when we could either not spend the money or put the money toward something in the building that could have a more measurable impact but a response to that ok so those are very good comments i think those are comments that we keep hearing so this design needs to be right for del materials so now how do we use brick in a way that could still be cost effective i think that's part of what could be done different forms so we moved their cells from i think a metal panel solution which we heard was more cost there were there was a metal panel that's what all gone away because that had a higher cost and we're finding ways to keep the broken but maybe the message has to be that we are really looking at cost effective materials in a nice way that doesn't mean that it adds cost to regards to branding if we built of this is just build talking right now if we build the four square box out of cinder blocks or concrete blocks we'll call the with that be encouraging to students to want to go there and learn so there's a balance because what what i feel branding is it's not it's not blue walls and orange walls and white walls it's something we're children have identities children feel like they're there that's a purposeful place for them to be they have a signature on it and that's a big community discussion because it's not the building committee just throwing up artwork and calling it done and the other is a ton of money wasted it's really thoughtful good team to do it wisely and do it effectively and that's what i think belmont is charges believe committee to do so you hear the questions you hear people like chris keeps you know saying hey is this durable is it something that we could maintain our budget these are things we have to keep asking ourselves is the branding appropriate is the branding making it feel like high school i don't have the answer to you think about reading the way that doesn't cost any really much at all in the record they decided to take the word the first letter b and turn it into a call to action and that defined the areas of the saying the way or the or the number three way it was it was a call to action for the students and the car with the words that they defined were important for their students so those words didn't cost a lot of money to put on the building but it did go through a lot of thinking and it allowed to the community to express how they wanted their students to feel in the buildings so it was the thought i think it was a lot but the actual something that says it's ballpark and we spent some time trying to get there i think we did a good job two versions we had a lot of these big a's we had our estimates starting in our contractor sitting to my own left was very pleased to see this question but it was a process talking points are great because i know young us all be making the calls in october to get people to vote for this thing and you know i know how some of those calls are going to go and it's helpful to just be able to have talking points i think to you know to address what i think what i envision will be some of the concerns of the larger community just one other question is the sound system part of the design at this at this phase yes our director of visual performing arts has gone through with his staff and so the reports in there and i can't cite the actual with material but i can say that they were pleased and to some degree i think  cut a little back on because the a v consultant was putting product given example in spaces that didn't need it but it's far as the auditorium that is pretty straightforward for schools right now they have a full soundtrack but we have a case so the question up from the audience is can we see plan so we have been seeing plans we did a perspective i think in that powerful black computer of kris's he probably is going to be able to pull up some plans from there also on  out i'd like to let chris work on that and i'll take another question that he'll put that up we didn't want to go into a lot of detail again tonight on the plan laid off because we've been doing that the prior meetings but i think that's a very fair question so we'll do that it he's been working with us almost from the first week reviewing drawings giving comment maintainance or pair's all that sort of stuff and i'm happy that these we should be very good contribute on the committee it's that it's a necessity like i don't think we have the time tonight to go through the plans in a lot of detail jamie is absolutely right these are on the website and this whole presentation will be on there that people could to and we talked about that orange walk by the auditorium the auditorium is right here in that this is the music area so we were just looking in the two adjacent music room with a view out to the field that's where we were on that west north side of the building of the gymnasium which is existing this was the pool and locker rooms that's mostly what's in green all the athletic components are mostly green when bill asked to go to the servery it's adjacent to the classes and the weight room which is right here this is the as i said the middle school entry with the administrative area in this location and the stairs that you saw that you enter it's really here that gives you sort of a frame mark of how we walk through the building those are the academic spokes as you see here and up stairs there mostly in purple those classrooms or you'll see that main academic interchangeable very flexible classrooms are here and it's very simple back here a lot of activity mike you'll see in the main area and the spine but the academic wings which is a large facility building if it's pretty simple and durable materials we have we have washable on the walls were not lit leaving dry on the walls to require a lot of maintenance and a lot of painting every hair catching we want this to be a little it might cost a tiny bit more upfront but long term our racially belt will save money by not having classroom is worth a lot of that all activity occurs whether it be the gym or the cafeteria or the library and then the classroom way to school on two sides and i should realize until now it has a very similar look i mean the at the breakout areas between classrooms where you saw the purple i mean the dark blue area and that's this is level to level three is pretty similar and that's where we we showed you the media center in the library for the middle school outside in the garden that's really here we were standing in this garden looking out to the park and looking across the political x is that how very good thank you and the other comments from  please come to classrooms so there's ok so the standard thirty five thirty classroom which is about it i think in the eighty six eighty three period for the that's not the total classrooms then there are twelve science classrooms a high school in the high school locker rooms are still under review as everybody of the teachers are going to have a lot of say but if you look here you'll see in this area you'll see the middle school axis is their general locker rooms here and we have adults looking into those spaces who are supervision and then we have the team rooms and the general physical education law pros here with toilets across this area remember these are the demise with all of the staff rooms right off of that and this was redesigned after more space and jim is weighing the benefits of accessing the of the locker rooms from a quarter versus from the the  field house but it's more space so that if you look at that and i think he's going to lean towards this i'm not speaking for him but and was really good about this is the seven eight locker rooms those are the group of students are completely separated from the access and entry of the high school students a locker rooms which cabinet which are actually from the field house on the other side so this actually offers no one's using a concord or here or there they're actually completely separate those those thoughtful connections and careful separations that the superintendent film talks about that i get that right yet if you get a few years ago so i think that i'd like to just move on to the rest of this meeting this was a good presentation just a couple of comments  a design manual or a project manual that's the biker there that is going into the state for the schematic to sign it is it represents just more than  that's in there there's just more than what we saw it represents there's schedule in there we heard about that last meeting there is logistics and there were about lessening constructibility phasing and cost so i'm going to get to cost next but i do want to just talk about the fact that this was provided for review to the committee and through the building committee to the committee for select which does anyone have any comments on what they saw probably guessing that they brought him up during his dialogue right now that was the reason i asked that is because we'll be voting on that for submission later but we want to get into project cos i do want to say that this is probably an appropriate time to let the committee know that we had a meeting with the state yesterday where things are just fine this week oh my goodness so we went to the m s p dave for the board meeting this is their big board meeting they meet through six times a year to approve projects that's it chaired by chairperson goldberg and it is a pretty rigorous process of moving through many many projects i couldn't even counting projects they had but when they get to a project that these types of projects where they're in their capital projects they do a lot of presses the heck out of me they fund a lot of repair projects all across the state in a very great way it's very regimented if it's x amount of years of qualifies and i understood this is just getting off a little that used to happen for anything that reach that target year you guys don't do that but the roof was fifteen years it was automatically qualified and you know you put that in and they help fund that and this is that this year and last year the only two years so far that they couldn't get all the projects in the state funded through their graft program repair from texas which is phenomenal now the district still has to come up with their share of it so it's not just a complete freebie but it's impressive how much they they moved through that so i guess if you're a little pat on the back there and then they came to the projects like ours which are new capital projects and they so they brought up  the projects and for the p s r remember that thing we've been working on it for a while that was not too long ago from the schematic design they actually formally voted on it and prove it yesterday and want to thank senator brown super  representative rogers for being there and speaking for the project in brownsburg or really talking about what it means very eloquently to belmont and it was very nice to hear him say how this is not just a school project it's an entire district solution to a growing population that we've not ever seen and probably won't see for a while so i think i think both of them for being there this is a milestone as i said and we checked this off and now they're waiting they're waiting for the submissions because that's the next round and we have another board meeting will be up on the twenty ninth of august where we'll hear of their ideal approval of the schematic design which includes  impressive to see the all the design disciplines going through all their scope and it's a very detailed process it's not even as detailed as the next phase of design when even more detail is and i think this is going to be what a four hundred drawings that were done for construction documents  to say our team did a good job of trying to squeeze as much out of that as possible and you know if there's anything left out of that one percent will get closer and that's that's of the best we can do now just to put this in  at thirty one percent with nothing added and there are other communities that are at seventy percent ok the cap is eight percent so we're that's the max you can get with anything by state law and forty point six six well into was forty point zero we were there i think was yes i know that for a fact it was actually even forty point zero so we're a little better than well i did i do just want to put this in perspective unfortunately that when we did wellington we were that cost per square foot was three hundred thirteen dollars and the m s p a reimbursement rate at that time was two hundred seventy five so that ratio we were eighty we're with a percent of getting as much as we could the current as i don't know change said that but we're at five hundred thirty two dollars a square foot now we're a little down from where we were before but that compared to the three thirty three that shane referenced earlier is sixty three percent so it's  when you add that to the forty point six six percent it's about ten percentage points difference i'm getting into my math geek stuff but it's about forty it's ten percent difference from where we are relative to the construction costs that we're allowed to get and we're going to go with the construction cost now and then we'll explain that's not necessarily that we're extremely high it's that the us v a has not been keeping up with inflation they inflation is what like inflation keeps going like this and their last adjustment was seven dollars it wasn't even keeping up with inflation at all so it's what we have with the states dealing with this whole thing but i won't talk any more just want to put some context of all this that's just picking up a few people and that's that's what we spend during the feasibility study in this schematic study and the next category is administration costs those are the owners project manager the designers cost and there's miscellaneous administration costs that's you legal fees if you fees and other fees that much construction costs we have a pre construction services that our construction manager charges just to bring us through the design development of the construction or construction drawings and that our construction cost of kill go kill you so with the owners project manager cost seventy seven million one hundred ninety two years and yet the architect and consultants cost is twenty one million five hundred twenty thousand context so shane mentioned that the capital three point five percent for opium well as project manager we're at three point two percent as if you look for combined the architects and all consultants and so that's not just well but the twenty whatever we some of the consultants that are added to that including our consult on the geo environmental side adds in that that's the total there and we're at nine point six percent and the cap is at ten i will tell you that out of all the i must be a projects published the average is ten point four percent so we are considerably lower and just to give of just a snapshot some of the levin point five percent  the construction cost is a set is made up of the pre construction services that number is four hundred ninety six thousand five hundred eighty two dollars bring us up to the end of design and then we have our construction cost us t said to shane where do all these numbers come from mike who comes up with a four hundred thousand or a five hundred thousand so we have owners project manager that goes to comparative projects and polled and extracts the percentages and the as a comparison and provide provides us with these and that's why they're here they're giving us guidance otherwise i don't think i could burden all of this to try to figure out what the right numbers are so we have faith and a list they do this for a living and quite a few communities i want to put this in perspective our wellington modular budget was two point one million when we built the whole school we're not we have a few things that we have to probably modularize temporarily for a couple years this number doesn't seem unreal this seems appropriate this is the number to them so where do we get this so again we asked our our owners project manager we're only getting reimbursed for two thousand four hundred is that the right number they said absolutely we asked architect is that the right number they said absolutely not what's interesting is that that two thousand four hundred ten or plus years yet and it doesn't change which is you're saying it doesn't change pretty elementary school versus i school where you think you have more technology you know you have more in a high school simply because you have more spaces in a high school because in elementary all you have is your classroom right there all with what's up with actual trees yes but we have an auditorium we have you know it goes on and on and on and so so all all in and by the way the auditorium is covered mostly under different so i should use that as you have but my point is what do we use for the right number so they was put together a summary and they range from two thousand from high schools they put they range from two thousand four hundred to four thousand what's the right number we know we were just as schematic so i guess the right number is midway between which is three thousand two hundred and we're going to try and work towards that budget we probably have some technology that's reasonable we don't even we haven't even had an inventory done we haven't really done with  y call it is sixteen point two million dollars again people say work why do you have so much this represents a relatively modest number of six percent for construction contingency path over here as lee tell me every ball my project i'm design team has done a fabulous i do just a lot of detail and estimate and our contracting team and our o p m has taken this ask them out estimate down a lot of detail and we're optimistic that there is  lot of unknowns right now but construction contingency is for those on knowns we have a design contingency in the construction estimate of eight percent you know ok so on top of all this there's another eight percent which represents about fifteen million dollars somewhere in that range so that means things that aren't in the hundred seventy eight sheets that will be in the two hundred or three hundred forty or more we have to capture that a also have a g m p contingency that's a contingency of items that need to be in the estimate that work in world two that were picked up by our contracting your pricing team that that made for instance you have room percent so that's another four million dollars so if you add all those contingencies up i think that we're well covered on a project of this scale and that's not unusual when you consider the early stages and it i facility and with the project funding agreement so if there is likely going to be some push and shove with i've asked shane and tom we have think you know is it is it five percent of the twenty five percent budget you're not going to get it off and that's a good thing but the ratio should stay about the same which was saying in other words we probably we could end up spending two hundred ninety million dollars instead of two hundred ninety five million so the  l could never be able to be something last but then again the two hundred eleven at the bottom with the two hundred eleven it would be something less so the the idea here is that that's the maximum but you there are there probably wouldn't so i still say seventy five because we don't you know we're going to go into detail but the states always going to have a different opinion so maybe between seventy five in haiti is where we are this is not much different than  months ago or three months ago employed current talked and he was evaluating i think a number of two hundred eighteen million as a bottom line and he provided some input some information regarding what the tax impact would be to the typical to the start things may not be useful and also often what i think might happen is that if there's something that's reasonably good in the high school it might move some to some other facility that was ready for a cycle right right this would not be unusual even with the furniture and the fixtures that there might be a product that recycles its way through the system understand that there's a there's a big change as musical chairs happening come two thousand and twenty we're really doing this chris i'll give you an example of a simple example we submit our invoices every month if we go reimbursement for things that don't get reimbursed would be for instance our small fee that we pay for the call from lisa doesn't get reimbursed ok so they was up and we already know that right but what change is it heat we went through and did that but at this at this stage there are things that the i must be a for instance they may come back to us and say because they've kind of  they want to know what the cost of paving the parking area over by the ice rink is going to be they may say they're going to say because they said less ice rink parking is really not we distributed parking for the campus that we need but they take that home now that should be a non issue because we're already capped but we have to have those are even so was i would not be very happy if they take our cap and then subtract that from the cap that's so so that shouldn't be the way they go but we have to have those discussions another one they said is in the school the director's office the district director's office is there very small by the way but they're in there this is the art of the map you know just talk about we have that discussion it also becomes a big paperwork nightmare and we've been crying to them that we're the we're not the highest cost by the way i will tell you that yesterday role was for those that three hundred and forty five million dollars for their school so so i went to the website because i could apparently and draw into the m s b a website these days and i wanted to just see where belmont was falling these days on dollars per square foot so we are we were at five hundred thirty eight i think we're at now five hundred thirty two dollars a square foot remember those discussions we had a while ago so they've updated their website and and it's also marked by when the project is going to have either a bid or the g m p which is our only so it's kind of right so i don't know maybe there's a lot to ship it back and forth it's an elementary school that's costing five hundred thirty dollars a square foot start elementary school that's may have to bring in over unfair that's why i'm saying that that actually is working these days so harvard elementary this harvard mass now is five hundred seven another elementary school barge of boston arts academy though that school is just that's right across from the street from fenway park it's at six hundred twenty nine dollars east hampton that's where elementary at five hundred twelve another elementary school manchester elementary five hundred thirty eight shrewsbury elementary at five hundred twenty five framingham middle school at five hundred sixty five and these are all these are coming now closer to march two thousand and twenty and that we're but we're anticipating about a march two thousand and twenty g m p and belmont high is at five thirty two so these are all schools that are on their web site now this is not off the mark of the information i don't like to compare i said this a long time ago because you don't know what's in here but it is not if you look at the spread we're all manas is there and we're just we have a lot going on with phasing and maybe problems due to age it represents i think a very reasonable effort that belmont is gone through and will continue to push on the numbers the on myspace expecting that it's a matter of fact they will see this in the some little because between the two  multiply that by four forty one five hundred that's now other other smaller ones with these exclusions of the pool and if they're going to try and carve any cost for us on the pool out of there which they are probably well that's going to be another  t what else those directors offices probably if they they want to choose choose on that square footage and then multiply that times the five hundred thirty two of those of the segments and the site costs are capped so anything face been down this road more times than not that i know of and i guess he tells me every project is different because i try to ask them because they're going to you know what can we predict a percentage of goes every project different project managers run the straight discussion so the community of funding that they needed to know you know wasn't sure if it was a small community and therefore by july first they have to cough a substantial amount of positions in town with a town so small or teaching position ok and here they are with these accelerated repair programs that they to grant for and the guys are saying if the states given a grant for a pair but they have to come back with the rest of the money and if they can't they lose the repair for schools that are desperate and so one board member said isn't there something we can do you know and the other board member said you know a works on the law in other words they don't make up the rules they just execute the rules that the legislature creates through the office of the treasury i guess and so there they said you know that has to go back to  would say try to argue extreme circumstances to it so they don't make the rules they just interpret them and hopefully they'll interpret them in belmont favor given the fact that we have to fund over two hundred million dollars this project and there's no the community right now that's funding that kind money for school i mean lower three sixty five i thought i mean three forty five to be an eighty percent certainly yeah they're going to be funding you do the math but you know a hundred million something like that so and that's you know and that's their do that this gets their challenge over there so any other comments and if that it comes from the community cost can i ask you to come up and grab changed mike if you could just state your name five million one hundred fifty nine thousand one hundred eighty nine dollars the second second ok any comments this is for the building committee ok all in favor by any opposed thing miss i'll ask you if the school committee wants to do the same newt meeting number fifty and i will finish that but that doesn't mean we're done with the work of our raw project funding agreements going to be coming to a head and i august before that we probably have some updates to do we think we have to pay some bills because we had a contract to a team in an architectural team and a design project manager team that have been working their tails off so we're expecting some invoices i'm going to propose a couple of meeting dates to put on your calendar one would be july nineteenth should be a thursday correct these are these morning these are at seven thirty in the morning yes ok and that meeting would be at the home or galleries thirty or so that will be meeting number fifty one and right now will schedule a meeting number fifty two for thursday august twelfth thursday that would be seven thirty in the morning at the home or third floor gallery six oh no no no i  not i thought it was one thousand and sixteen i'm sorry sixty's thanks so much thursday august sixteenth at nine thirty seven thirty in the morning homer gallery those are the next two meetings right now and we'll continue our conversations i do believe that the two things that the community will energy how energy officially could be and i've got some we're going to continue to talk about that and probably organize a potential summit or forum in september to bring all the interested parties together and  really understand what that means so it will be more discussion and i know up to you in future meetings what that is but those are two very important things i think that there is some work that we need to ask look at her team to do for documents and images that we want to use for anything in the future regarding the the project in getting out for the people so those would might be the words they may as brooks said you know you want to change a name we do so we're going to ask i'm going to ask maybe you jamie to see you know going through these drawings if there are things i'm sorry not the drawings the website the stuff that chris is going to give me tomorrow to post right maybe there's some things you want to put on boards or with a think about what that is and brooke i'm sure that you've done this before and you know what the community needs you might help just have to finish the conversation we're having earlier it's up to us to make a request to the board of selectmen to put a dead exclusion on the ballot to talk about this all year but now we actually have to vote to do it  so if you want to discuss it if you want me to make the motion first and then discuss it after that i don't make the motions that were in the race so i'd like to smoke a bite to move the belmont high school building committee asked the board of selectmen to put a ged exclusion ballot question on the november sixth state ballot for funding of the belmont high school record ok so now discussions so we were having discussion before and jamie you had a couple of i think my only question is what happens like how much you know how much tax goes with like what is it going to say very little ok i think i think it's ok m s p allows us to put whatever we want to as what are proper we want to describe our project in in the question or at least that's how you start then we have it's because it's going on the state ballot which means it has to be submitted before august first which means it has to be submitted to the state before the m s p a has officially proved our project understand put these questions on the ballot but the selectmen have always insisted that the building committee make the request because they don't want to be accused of jumping the gun or whatever which which makes little sense so that's why  responsibilities to make the request to ask them to make the request they some time ago asked me to deal with the question the ballot question itself floyd carmen spent involved because there was a challenge on the wellington one so we have gone to floyd also to make sure that bond counsel who is the one who questions the other one would be happy with the wording of this then it goes to m s p and just  and yes this is almost mandatory ok it is mandatory the only the only break you get us if you say you're on vacation and not everyone could be possible but you better be so we'll check so i mention this last time i came starting at six o'clock on july seventeenth and this is a session on campaign finance and open meeting primarily campaign finance folks who campaign finance state are coming  to talk to not just the building committee but the talent of all this project the courage the building committee all of you if you could make it i'll send the invite to you encouraging the school committee if that's possible and then later in the evening you know there's going to be just a brief discussion of an update an open meeting laws and what that means i think you've read some stuff in the paper so it's right there and we just want to be refreshing not really anything