ok for a restaurant at thirty eight zero one washington road the property is zoned see for transitional commercial and sit down restaurants are permitted as you conditional use this evening's hearing was advertised in the observer reporter on april twenty ninth and may sixth of this year surrounding property owners were sent written notice in the property was posted also the hearing notice was placed on the township bulletin boards the website and cable television council may or may not act on this request the seedling cuts was thirty days from the conclusion of the hearing to make a decision prior to the applicant's presentation  one audience comments i believe staff will make a brief presentation thank you mr sylvester thank you mr very first of all i want to before i make some comments i want to put some items into the record f there's a report dated may say twenty directors there is the application dated april first two thousand and thirteen by richard hero richard gill an architect  application in the proposed play and to convert the former parkville banks around the bank to a sit down low turnover restaurant after listening to staff presentation and also listening to some of the applicants comments as well as listening to residents comments the planning commission had their name like meeting recommended council approved the conditional of the property that abuts the residential zone or the house here in this buffer planning commission recommended a six foot high privacy fence be installed as well as beefing up the buffer where plants have died and gaps exist the other one was to remove the whole sign here and replace it with a monument style sign which would be  it's proposed for right here the entrance of a bridge nineteen the sign permits be obtaining the exist the exhaust to it's needed for the kitchen be placed on this elevation of the building  building be equipped with a monitored smoke and fire detection system approved by the peters township fire department these proposed site planned shows where a new water meter vaal be constructed in access into the building to supply the building with the fire suppression system the dumpster when parkville bank occupied the site the dumpster was located here as part of the planning commission's recommendation they recommended that the dumpster be moved away from the residential property line and they moved from here to here in their screening it as ordinance requires all requirements of the peters township sanitary thor to building permit not see permit approval in the hours of operation the planning commission recommended sunday through thursday eleven am to eleven feet again and friday and saturday eleven am to twelve am high to prevent headlights from the neighbor's yard to provide a more solid barrier and that would be the drought backdrop for additional planning on the proposed restaurant site  the existing buffer yard between the proposed restaurant and the residential property will be supplemented with additional landscape planning a couple of the trees have died that were regional park trail development and those will be replaced along with some of the bushes and things like this but it's our intention to bring that back up to a full buffer  number three replacements of the existing sign with a monument sign thirty square feet maximum six foot height more in tune to what you've seen and peter's township along   north east slope of the roof and it's behind actually behind the roof that now covers the drive through teller  area there is a building fire suppression the meter pit is shown on the drawing on the site plan and  have gone over there with the mozzie and and pennsylvania american water and fortunately we don't have to go under nineteen again it's there and so it's ready to go mentioned below turnover but first of all the additional parking where we're getting some parking spaces but we're actually using a little less pavement virtually the same pavement bank drive through teller joints this is approximately five hundred twenty square feet of space to the original building the roof structure remains as it is currently ok so right now it's brick pillars there's here there's a sign here on the map that shows a one way directional at the north end of the parking lot by that what used to be the drive through yes can you describe how traffic supposed to circulate around there well actually in all of the spaces that are you can back out and travel either way there's enough room enough space to to travel either way but when you go around and we are not adding in a space that would be one way around that space you could go around as many times as you want or you could pull in a space back out and go the other way so if someone came in off of pleasant avenue yes they could come in and immediately go left yeah but if they went didn't find a space then they would have to wait exit back on to washington no they could just continue all the way around  restaurant is defined in the april thirtieth two thousand and thirteen memo from head to the planning commission hours of operation in right now no no alcohol is permitted or an ed in the future consideration would be as a part of dinner package or something like bad there's no bar sit down tables somebody wants a glass of wine with pasta or something if they do that they would either have to go through the licensing process or and i don't know if there's even the licensing process for bring your own bottle type of situation  no and the other thing i'd like to do is i'd like euro to get up and tell you a little bit about the types of food he makes and and sells to just quickly because it's not just  operational except for a couple fixtures out on the nineteenth side of the building that have been removed and i think by accident the way broke off but it's existing and it is working and  when you're already bought the building the lights were on the timer they came on at night since then with the power outages or flippers or people playing the break probably a little bit this far as the timing goes but we really had no anticipation of changing those and although we've had a substantial amount of discussion and read the letters and the issues was the bank a conditional all right i guess we're from the members of the audience is anybody in this section that wants to comment you know what about this middle section here ok c'mon up state your name address good evening my name i live at one thirteen pleasant avenue which is right there the first residential street next to the proposed restaurant so i do appreciate the opportunity to speak before council and i appreciate the questions that you're already asking it shows concern for the residents and certainly appreciate living next door to park bell park th was a relatively low usage bank so again it was basically closed baking hours so there were really wasn't any kind of evening activity so the the residents and you know i've gone around and talk to some  residents about this and i also have a petition that we signed with some some of the local folks who are opposing it and really we don't have any any real issues against having certainly the restaurant in peter's township the real issue is how is it going to affect the residential neighborhood and so there's a couple couple things i just want to talk about as far as the lighting concerned yeah there is no the lighting it was described there is still fair amount of lighting even with the lights there so you know pretty much my my yard never gets dark anymore because when the lakes kick on spirit bright so i don't have to really worry about ever walking wide under the current does earning regulations the minimum buffer that's required is twenty five feet wide so this is one of the issues i brought up with with the planning commission is are really not enforcing the current zoning regulations with that current buffer right now there's no parking along along that line it was just basically a drive under this proposal pretty much i'm going  to you know parking relatively close to my parking or my property line my house is not that far away the bedrooms from my house are on on that side on that side of the  how close is a restaurant and then so that coupled with the proposed hours of operation the proposed hours work to eleven pm in the during the weekdays and then also  originally proposed to one am on weekends in the planning commission had a change after listening to some objections that they thought that midnight was an acceptable time still pretty pretty late because i can tell you that i do get up to work to go to the morning so i go bed well normally well beat before there was hours so i had originally requested limiting  goes off at the angle sort of down on the bottom of the picture that's meadow street so the issue is and again this is a residential neighborhood as you can see so if you if you go down meadow street which is a the residents of peter's township in and there's a lot of traffic that comes up where people try and avoid the light so rather than going to the light and turning l this was going to add additional traffic in the evenings that's not normally there so right now in the evenings when the normal traffic dies off there's relatively few cars other than residents going on resident says some small children so you also will have summer time you'll see kids on bikes and and so forth like that so one of the things that we had our planning was to consider  blocking off the the meadow or the pleasant avenue entrance so it would just have an entrance off route nineteen which is pretty much like most of the other businesses on route nineteen  a way of eliminating some of the traffic on a residential street planning commission pretty much didn't really have much discussion on said that they thought that the really didn't put much consideration under so pretty much those were the issues that the residents had and again the other thing is with the resident with a restaurant right next to my property i respect my property values to suffer some extent because let's face it most people who are residents there are there looking to have a house that's relatively activity at night especially late at night you have people starting car if they are they have motorcycles that it's definitely going to make more noise and be more disruptive to the neighborhood which again was which was the  moved in no actually when when well you know i grew up in a house so i was born and raised in peter's township so when park bill was put in there as actually a  fifty foot wide buffer what exists there now is approximately eight hundred feet or so which are normal process in a grandfather does it grandfather does that i think that's a good term build mr johnson the time was for a bank now it's a rush draw and those are quite different and then it is again a residential property so you know that's where the buffer area can be critical and so i mean i i did i am actually a compliance sort of expert in my thirty years of regulatory compliance work with approximately you know thirteen years ago or whatever it was they pretty much never maintained it so when part was recently sold the first national they actually had some evergreen were were pretty much cut away so i mean i can stand on my property line and pretty much get an unobstructed view for a lot of it without the without the with the existing planting so actually when i had first talked to mr about it when i first heard that there was a restaurant maybe being considered when a fall last year i suggested that you know given the fact that  the the planting seemed to be unreliable that maybe there should be a fence put in there as a minimum and he that was one of the things he considered and recommended to apple can certainly huge amount of difference because noise you know sound doesn't really get you know unless it's engineered sound barrier doesn't really get affected by you know a relatively short distance either through trees or a fence i mean it's a good appart and i and i certainly appreciate that that some some consideration for its again still not really meeting the zoning requirements of my appreciate the comment about grandfathering but again when you look at my point of view it's you know if there were if our operation were were so late then it hours which is the busiest time the restaurant generates less traffic in the bank in mr simplex talking about cutting this access off and closing it off morey even if you so it's true that if you put the business traffic above the residence you come to that conclusion but if you put the residence in and the existing taxpayers of the township in front of that you would come to an opposite conclusion and i completely i can sympathize with what you're saying but i got to tell you our history is that presidents always come up and say it's going to create all this traffic and and i would say ninety percent of the time all go to  eighty twenty rule it never happens ok everyone's always concerned about the traffic and we hear it all the time but when reality sets in all this traffic that there are fears of doesn't is never realized so one so since the bank was never opened say past five o'clock or eight i mean they were just normal banking hours they didn't really have any late hours in the evening they only had saturday hours so  clearly and there are there are folks who use the meadow to go through you know that the folks who are especially like the high school folks going to or from the high school there's a lot of traffic on that time of the day so if there's even driftin people in the course of the evening here it's going to be an increase in traffic so i'm not you know i don't know what you guys considered about  the crossroads could i ask for some history perhaps mr zucker or even counsel when you talked about the traffic mr parkway stipe gree that sometimes we anticipate issues and they don't come to fruition when parked there was being planned was the traffic issue race then because obviously the exit on to pleasant avenue existed you know if i understand you i don't know like i said even if you do that all people still going to go through there to get to nineteen i'm not minimizing your issues i'm just trying to understand because obviously when that was being mailed to your home existed there i'm just trying to ask you know what concerns were raised at the time because it doesn't seem based on what we're hearing that the traffic volumes going to increase based on what the traffic was like sure yeah so when i looked at the application that was made want to release when it was first i did not see any kind of traffic study in there so so if it actually did exist i did not see it  i'm on even sure there was one done with the with the change in use if it if it was actually one done i'd be interested in seeing it will be you things don't because our traffic engineer compared the pm peak hour traffic from that that the bank generated compared to what the restaurant with generators and it's less there was there was no traffic study when the bank where i'm just like where the candle color used to be and now approval that needs to go forth if they play acquire a liquor a sense from the from our existing location and account we have no control over liquor license so again well you know there while one of the concerns is maybe that isn't the current plans but with certainly are the with the proposed hours there could very well be a change in plans in the future and that point  doesn't there is no real a public meeting on it at all or anything so again he has this is kind of thing you get from a public meeting kind of standpoint you know you really only get one shot at it to verify that she did or did not provide that information to me word says it is specific now it's on by g the third paragraph yes it's the question should save instead of stating it is agenda item for up to five minutes to anyone in the audience i know you are very very the audience that wants to make the wants to speak to a not agenda item ok since nobody else put their hand co d mine site at thirty six little main road i'm here tonight to thank mr stoke for attending the conditional use meeting and mr sylvester e for sending a letter to our township on four nine hundred thirteen thank you for your support and i'm also here to provide some more information to the supervisors and the residents since there may be binding done under areas of your township we are forming our group of our residents in our area and a group called center for caulfield justice has been a big help to us i have some flyers here about an open house on thursday may sixteenth in manana haleigh to explain how you and the residents can help protect your community from the possible impacts from the coal industry with their help i also have a copy of the list of the final dishan conditional uses that were voted on by the nottingham township supervisors approved on may sixth and i also have a copy of c m a engineering supplemental information in response to the planning consultants comments and conclusions regarding the list of the conditional uses i know you may be touched underground from this and some areas and our group just wants to help make any members of the peters township area aware that there is some help out there if they have other questions so i brought some of these with me i can leave my name and phone number if anybody wants to contact me for further information we're setting up a website everything is just getting under way i brought the sheet with the owner  and email address of the ram mine there's always questions as to which d e p t office to get in contact with and i have the one we're to contact with any questions or concerns i also have the conservation district of washington counties information here also says since you had expressed interest and support in this i just thought that i had to bring the final copy and i'm hearing conditional uses mentioned here nothing against what they are trying to do but i wish ours has been that easy so a as the engineering comes they did the core samples for ram and has been doing many other checks on the road you know prior to penn dog and prior to the pai had asked them to respond a little more to the planning consultants questions than they had at the beginning and i just i was a little bit of supplemental information just basically f y i if you come across anything it was thank you thank you for  a public hearing at thirty eight or one washington road had could we make any restrictions on when the dumpster can be picked up we have an ordinance and because you know that to my backyard it's at five thirty in the we have a motion in a second is there any further discussion i would just like to clarify that because it is a conditional mr sylvester i'm going to recuse myself because i know i know is in law as we grew up together so it'll be six zero one two your city's very close i don't get rejuvenator programs produced this year from what it typically is due to the reduced paving budget so the eighty three cents per square yard at the at the roughly sixty six thousand square yards we budget time i had talked about my goal which was to bid a couple projects with aligning this year and then several smaller projects through traditional methods and what a way i broke down the budget in my mind as we had two hundred thousand amount and we're recommending that award be made to them when i move but your motion in the second any further discussion just one question related to the alternate for energy shameful given that we're under the we put it in there to find out what the cost differential would be and i don't know the reason you did not choose to bid that nor do i think we can go back at this point given they chose not to bid and get a price so so i'm not sure that given where there are prices in your parish and the other two bidders i think you'd have a hard time trying to make sense out of going to that other shingle one thing to point  so i'm not sure whether the the advantage from the the energy shingles be there well there's no way to even tell what that would be because you know the other bits are sort of hockey yeah that you can't even miscellaneous quantities from dartford different items in this in the spring there's a number of items of which only two by actually one qualifies which is by twos payment to be over twenty five thousand appeal primarily because you know there wasn't an opportunity an offer to do a payment plan years ago it was not accepted by the taxpayer and that's one of the reasons why the pound interest has increased uniforms yes this this is actually it's more than just uniforms it's that there are some changes here forms that are being made because the good models that were listed there are no longer be made and we had to change them to comply with what's actually being made out there but the in essence the same uniforms were adding an option of exterior body armor which currently the body armor carrier is worn internally but there's another street next item would be to prove all of the interim traffic controls affairs locations due to the valley brook washington road intersection construction project yes we're we're recommending at this point in and out of the driveway there secondly were added as for the at a stop sign here at gallery this this was a former temporary color sac and it was remaining there and there's a stop sign coming out of offices they're putting up there i think it would be a preventative measure the second one in the quarter sack i don't think you have the line of sight for i'd skip that one but i think the first and third one makes sense i want to move for  bills perils and bills we've had a couple bigger bills this month computers twenty six thousand some dollars library insulation cisco switch there's no representation about the property owner here and normally we don't get involved in residential peoples that are not part of the you know larger group so the question was counseled one  or i don't want to spend the money i don't think there's a need to you think mr well no i don't think we should be involved in these types of appeals and i think we could challenge that if next year and have race to whatever they call the i mean they're claiming i've expressed interest in the property because i've got family and friends in the township and i had called down to them in a salad he spoke with on line she suggested that i start here this evening so i just want to see what i can possibly find out and then for you have cause to recall one point we talked about possibly going in and trying to find some grant money and working with possibly one of the store  historical peter's timeship building is there any value i mean i see some merit in trying to investigate them well i think we were going to do that before but i guess the issue that's here right now is  g the day care was a conceptual idea i had it's currently residential i try to talk to the neighbor and property owners to do some sadist for a much bigger residential project that's only half acre that and i offered to clean it up prior to closing but she never showed up for the closing and i've tried numerous times to locate the owner and i'm not sure what happened so i've been keeping in touch with them only about what can i do to recover some hand money in the property fix it up and she said come here i've contacted washington county  and it's a frustrating process to buy it for delinquent taxes i can tell you i would be very confident saying no taxes are being paid and if you leave the property no one's going to pay that other than me or him her someone  deposit hand money and we had a closing date and she never showed i continued to contact or email my phone and i'm not sure what happened so i keep contacting emily's ses or some the township c backs the property he'd have to turn a property parallel with bower hill and i mean it could be a resident can it just rob you may have to turn a building when i drive past it every day to me doesn't look like a residential lot i think her parents are deceased hearing a challenge interpretation two were beings saying claire contends that there are multiple businesses in there and i have the names of they provided the names to the township they are contending  allows for multiple building building signs when there are multiple businesses in the building it doesn't say that the each business has to put up their own building are you saying that this company that has built several buildings didn't know they needed to signed permit there was never any conversation about a signed permit it's mine you're standing there at the sink or hospital people put a sign company in charge of getting the permits putting putting up signs they didn't get the permits they just put this and that it was there any conversation with anybody about what they could have i mean was there i mean i can't i mean if you're talking about a professional sign company yes actually yes professional some so they didn't talk to anybody and there was no inquiry or kind of funny this commercial property that is a house that fronts on camp lane but has frontage along route one thousand this is where they want to put the new so it would be for we are looking a restaurant which is located here so it's a off premise directional sign or ordinance allows that sign he sees where the a three nine square foot off premise directional sign so they're going to the zoning hearing board on tuesday ma rooting for that type of business monument signs are not required compared to what they have now i mean if if what they have now is fish but the point is though for a really if they could put it in the position there is now or do love it doesn't have to be as big as these here because it's up the road for all it's true and that's the issue bed twenty two twenty two i had it seems if it's about the figures with davy saying there i don't see that as that egregious but that's my opinion so probably six is too budget that one of the things we talk about is succession planning at the library in light of right eventually a retirement mrs levy and we were looking at possibly scheduling a meeting last time council discussed it was to come back to council for a decision i think mr barr grave and i think we're talking about parkway extending it at least to stratford if not for stratford because there's a hill there and speed i can tell you that he should be aware you leave the ground i don't think a yellow line is going to change that he's in one of those other i don't get all this stuff about worrying about a line that should be  that's a sure there's no speeding tickets but they are here big and may make sense to me that we lie needed it would ensure better safety i'm not sure that will keep people on the side of the right side of the road but if we think that fact that there were there were no extensions for the need phasing of developing you know fire coverage into the future  five ten fifteen twenty year avram and it was not in my opinion a very well thought out plan it was not a very you know made a very thoughtful plan and  apparently really interested in in this and i i think you might really want to consider you know going away we are coopted of agreement and expanding the cooperative agreement to whatever extent we here here's how the township will be growing you know for if ten fifteen years after you're here will be there for our coverage requirements five ten fifteen years out you know the same thing for sure brain and then you're looking at five ten or fifteen years out putting those two got the show a show with you where you put it together sure what the difference would be i agree that the report was lacking and i think that their business is in helping agencies consolidating their focus was on getting to that object without any real way of explaining to us what the benefits the return on investment would be and what the cost was actually going to be made i know they had a number in the package but i think there's too much insufficient information too much information missing but i agree that you know perhaps a further conversation with northeaster bain might be helpful to see whether there's anything left on the and not just one car there's there's ten to twelve cars here and from a mistake and that's not a road so why can't we we have the post this side says don't drive on the path softball complex they park there's plenty of parking you know on the other side of the field five there's plenty of parking over on the other side yet they're parking in the circle that isn't used and it's it says no parking the at we allow five thirty seven plan i'd like either mr sylvester your and myself we can try to give you an overview of the costs that are associated with that for the meters creek sanitary authority just information about performance and what kind of