ok good evening my name is jim williams i'm a selectman i'm chairman of the board of selectmen i'm joined by my colleague mike polow selectman who's the vice chairman of the board of selectmen and my yet so this is the board of selectmen meeting august seventh so i'm calling this meeting to order and first we're going to start with community announcements are going to say something about this i have to i've got three mr chair first of all today was the two thousand seven hundred national purple heart day there was a ceremony at the library this morning all three of us were present along with phyllis marshall and many others in town listening to colonel michael callahan of belmont wonderful speech very sobering good interesting way to start the day putting things in perspective with all the gold star families and those who've been wounded in those observes so that was a really well done ceremony this morning and one thing time and i also like to note that there's a proclamation from the belmont fire department if you bring the chief this is from the city of waltham massachusetts and i can read this is an official proclamation be it here by proclaim that i jeannette am a car theme mayor of the city of waltham extend my commendation and congratulations to belmont fire department in recognition of your utmost professionalism and heroic efforts while fighting a ten alarm fire on sunday july twenty third two thousand and seventeen your quick response and quality decision making was key in preventing the fire from spreading and causing further damage and or possible injuries or fatalities given this twenty seventh day of july two thousand and seventeen city hall waltham massachusetts by jeanette a macor the mer i also want to know the belmont personnel responding assistant chief wayne haley lieutenant them and we joked about over the river and through the woods because this fire was actually on the other side of the charles river we laid every stitch a hose we had on the truck and we went over the river through over a bridge  through the woods down around to get to the back of the building so it was a lot of ira chief was at what was the what was on fire it was a five story wooden new under construction apartment building five buildings two hundred  sixty units is so gone completely gone so you know what what exactly is a ten alarm fire as opposed to a one alarm fire is that the number of units so it's three three or four engines per alarm and wanted to lot of trucks for alarms so there was so you had forty trucks there there were probably between that and covering in the city of waltham stations yes there was there was a lot of our brightest you know that might go off lunch today we were discussing this fire because one of my colleagues said gee i didn't think you could build buildings with wood more but i don't think there's any specific prohibition against building an apartment house with wood is that you know we it's common it's happening all around it's happening  belmont multiple stories would construction it's less expensive it's quick to build the end product once you get the fire alarm protection in there in the sprinklers and they're you  this was during construction so they had not activated the sprinkler systems and so forth and it started in the end that was the least constructed so it started in that and went to the end that was most constructed and even if the sprinklers were working in that other end the sprinklers the design to start put out an incipient fire one that starts and it puts it out fairly quickly once it gets on the head of the sprinkler system it wouldn't have any difference in outcome but some thankfully there were no no injuries no council to say no it is some minor injuries but no casualties everybody started with an exhaust and what the papers that are are that was another one that was the one in cummings property employee directed giving in the amount of one thousand dollars to be used to fund supplies for the firefighter fitness program chief can you tell us the background this ok so from what i've been able learn is the cummings properties their employees get to direct a donation to the charity or as the organization of their choice former resident bradford  schofield has directed that the thousand dollars fee gift be given to the fire department for something that we choose and one of the things that initiatives that we've been moving forward is to try the improve the health and fitness of the firefighters is to improve the firefighter fitness program in buying small things such as specialized weights and even looking at simpler things like battle ropes and things like that so because there's a whole movement right now in the fire service to improve firefighters fitness and also their living and working conditions because of the high cancer rates among firefighters boston's one of the leaders where it's funny we don't stand up and take the glory for things we we have a fitness program we're doing we have a quick when we instrument implemented the getting the second set of turnout gear for members cleaning their turn oh those are all things that now is being pushed nationally we've actually been doing you know been on the forefront so this is this is good for the for the town but for the firefighter so if you're if you're a firefighter you have a higher risk of cancer yes this has been eight identified cancer types that firefighters have a much higher incidence incident rate of then the normal public in that's because of what you do when you fight a fire or is that because of what happened to the station house or p s a it's a combination of many different things a lot of it is related to the fires in the incidents they respond to what they inhale what gets absorbed what's good collected on their skin and even was at the fire stations a diesel truck exhausts that now we have the hoses that attach to the truck and the exhaust system brings it up to the roof so that we're not in that environment so it's it's a multiple where i remember the retirement party you told me that you had one retiree who was seriously injured in the rescue attempt with this is name to the green communities of green i see jerry out there rgy management systems at the general and at the high school and after you successfully completed an expanded your first initial grant you would then eligible for subsequent annual competitive grants up to two hundred fifty thousand dollars so after the first grant was successful expand to be applied for the competitive grant for the projects that you see as part of this contract and a couple months ago received notice from the state that we were successful in getting the full two hundred fifty thousand dollars so we'll put that along with some tom money they'll be in put with it towards these projects and amidst amidst the money you see there we're also going to get fifteen thousand dollars of that back in utility incentives from mom and star so what you have is an amendment to the original memorandum of understanding we selected guarding energy to an r f p process looking on page four of this amendment number three were talks about town building energy conservation twenty thousand two hundred thirty four dollars i didn't see that in the grand as a separated line item what is that specifically well the grant grant will break out the grant money towards the project understand there's more than two fifty going towards the project so this this is supplemented based upon going is that if you go if you go back to page two you have four items that add up to two seventy eight one twenty four  page four you have x more items adding up to that same number as one to know what the discrepancy  right that's good point yeah i'm going to guess that we've broken these out based on the incentives that are going to be applied eventually as well as the way to appropriate the correct amount of money to the correct line item for the school of building which is going to be the works before you can see that library whether it's a shoe library energy conservation in four might have been all under bought library whether is ation and two i think those two may just just go together but i don't know where that last one library that's fine right going forward there's the two there the start to get into the upgrade actual document start the dated february twenty eighth the first one says it's for belmont burbank school boiler upgrade and then the next one also says belmont burbank work in the library piece it talks about the extra if there are electrical or problems or hazard problems and talks about how the drop ceilings are not part of the project how is that going to be addressed we'll be finding that separately the the best way to describe that in the too far wings of the library is very poor or no installation of all their song he just going right through so we have a three phase project regarding is going to be in charge of just doing the installation part of it the second part is going to time ation on the facilities assessment that we had an architect do a couple years ago of almost all of this didn't have some kind of feasibility study where they looked at all the deficiencies in the building they rank them in terms of the greatest need the butler and the burbank boilers were highly ranked  how much time we have no humans there is a reasonably lengthy application with a number of criteria you vehicle policy the twenty percent reduction of a five year plan  we learned today that one of the participants in the purple heart ceremony was at the high school when the library was built  with what happened in one nine hundred sixty five that allowed a building to be built like that i mean can you is it is it just that the code has changed yes or really crummy job was done you know it's a fifty two years old it's well i mean it looks fine from the outside but that's a nice looking bill it's a beautiful looking bill and i can but i agree and there's all these i mean how many times have we had somebody come and talk to the board in the last three years you've been probably the biggest issue that we have now because we know we looked into trying to expand in the difficulty who had trying to explain it because with the present structure at the time it was it was built to a coat it's an older building older the only guitar the systems get tired but my understanding and i was a member of the feasibility study committee that it's it's not the physical nature of the building it's the way it's used in programming they need more space for more common day programming that you know larger reference room larger children's room so a lot of it's just having not enough space but you know we have a long list for the lobby too that will keep chipping away at until some larger decision is made on that and then with regard to the green committee is there any connection between the kind of power that we buy you excepted the grants have to accept the amendment to the agreement to make up the image of the agreement of two hundred seventy eight no twenty four correct ok which is it expanding two hundred fifty grand of this grant plus the other smaller dollars here as well but we regulations i hope t i was on the board of my co op manhattan for seventeen years and we had the fans turned off of the roof because of the penthouse here you see this yes because of the penthouse apartments and we we ended up putting a damper just so we could turn the fans back on because it sounded like a helicopter which i think is what's going on here when did they put their conditioning unit is that this is a new problem that i don't think it was here when david was here was it if we're talking the same one i think responsible for the liquor regulations the problem if you ok let's tell us what's going on there now this is a this is a little more complicated because the home rule petition currently but this is these are the alcohol beverage policies rules and regulations that the selectmen had promulgated as of december sixteenth two thousand and ten and if you recall we had discussions where i had suggested we make alterations to them obviously we've also with town meeting since then passed the restrictions on the transferability of the licenses and that is currently at the state house as the home rule petition has to go through its machinations committee to committee and it is doing that on the house and the senate side so as far as these regulations until we get that home rule petition passed we can't really pass these because the transfers me to be in here and we don't have the the legal ability to do that until the state goes through them however there are a number of other issues which i had raised in here and this was remember we had i drafted this a while back we'd sent agree descended to town council to have a vetted and then have it brought back and bees redlined pink lines and here appear to be the vetting i've gone through the changes that that and the comments that are on here are many of them are fine some of them are word smithing some of them are we need to hear back from the home rule petition there was the idea about recreating the alcoholic beverages advisory board and that needs to in the comet was to discuss it which we need to do there was the issue about being paid up with the town on absolutely everything the town alive department before you can get any approval for a license and that was something we were discussing there was discussion about the filing fee and whether that should be raised ok so where you go or let's just go page by page and do this what is on page four that has to do with what was passed to town meeting  these mean is comments from unison krieger on the right hand side i just wanted to see in the context of this ok thank you this is me trying to paragraph one i'm just trying to correct the definition here as to what fast food or takeout was and they suggested using the language in the zone and by allow which i would have to go back and take a look at if there is one defines what fast food or to i so this is to be determined that you know ok what's next next would be for which is whether or not we're going to meeting which you know i didn't really support the one about the restaurants because i thought it was anti business but you know be that as it may what it did was it just took the authority to grant the continuation of the license with the business away from the liquor board and and sent it back to the liquor work so you know the way i saw the whole town meeting transaction was to reduce the discretion of the alpha beverage board and force it back new england of the old and it wasn't right in other words normally that would have gone with the business and if they were selling the business then he would have whoever was buying it would kind of have a right of first refusal and then we still as the alcoholic beverage committee counsel we still had the right to approve or disapprove it's just the act got and yet they got first and so under the town meeting all of those changes that we made none of that exist anywhere in the licensing arrangement you know there's no preference so if you if you want a business like artie's and you've been somebody wants to sell it then the license comes back to the town and then you find that those communities have outside of their executive branch advisory board i find that they don't that they are that we are not the liquor licensing authority within the city or even a city that they have a licensing commission which is have a discussion as to why i don't want to do anything that illegal obviously but if we define a use this is a basis to deny somebody i think they should know in advance it's one of the regs you know it's again i think it's confusing because as as  you know or may know businesses at the liked apartment some of them are on payment plans and some of them are right well that you could no wait wait in the ones that are on payment plans are considered to be paid  full in the ones that are in default i referred to the treasurer and the treasurer then takes action on the lead so this this whole issue with regard to that last transaction was it was kind of you know mo because because they were on a payment plan with the light department which is permitted and if you if you talk to the light department they have a series of businesses and residences that are on those plans in it's an acceptable practice so you know if we if we say it must be paid in full then we're adding the burden of an additional payment beyond what standard practices and i i think we need to consider would be just that  town treasurer it's with the like to partner it might be with the treasurer for other didn't you know you're in there if you're if you're in default i mean i happen to know this because of another issue that we were dealing with with regard to a residence and you know there's there's some kind of weather related nonpayment for residences you know because you can't cut the electricity off in the winter time and then if somebody gets behind on their electric bill because they can't pay it what the light department does is they demand payment and then they'll work out you know a three payment plan usually and if you're under that arrangement and you make those three payments then you're considered to be not just you know  know but that that was the situation with regard to the last one i want to see i paid for it so unless unless it's been referred to floyd you know so for example what you could do is we could say ok we'll ask floyd is is is this applicant on a payment plan and the answer is no because his lloyd's payment plans are different their i demand that you pay this bill and that's a different that's a different plan yes there may be paid late payment plans that are approved by the treasurer for someone who is delinquent in their taxes but not yet in tax title or who may have caused their fees and i made my point and i wrote it down ok number six has to do with currently the five hundred dollars filing fee and i was proposing upping it to seven hundred fifty in the question of course would be what does it what's the actual cost to process the application because the fees are supposed to be paying for the cost of administering the application not to be a tax write however it seems as though some of these applications take an awful lot of work and we see in our package there's a lot there is i  like well you would have to tell us first i guess it was to how much time you think these two actually hasn't it we actually have a database on this that was done by the revenue opportunities fund committee of the financial task force right and we collected fifteen thousand pieces of information about fees and in general the merits fees are higher than our neighboring communities i don't know about this specific one and you may be right that i mean you are you are correct that we're not supposed to be making money other fees but we can easily check the liquor license fees against the other communities we did this three years ago i think right so we can check but it's also what the is to us regardless maybe the others have a cheaper cost i just want to cover the cost yes well not looking to me we have we have the data we can check sure number ten this has to do with the transferability so really that depends on the home rule petitions really never getting into it right and is ever separate representative rogers said it was a deliberative process in the extreme sense of the word is you know number eleven has to do with notifications to a butters of the hearing and there was a quote the comment here to do with whether or not this is overly cumbersome to administer and what it's duplicative of the following paragraph so i suppose at some point phyllis and her staff could weigh in on whether they feel this is up overly cumbersome i'm not looking to make it cumbersome i'm just trying to make it clear that we because we didn't have a problem with those notification for the better as far as i'm concerned i mean we we didn't i was there not always addressing problems are just about having best practice and making sure that when everything that we do like with the committee appointment regulations that everything is in writing in  department of revenue in good standing from the secretary of state's office for applicants and these are for i found these to be fairly common requirements the comment from counselors to discuss these further which from happy to do but it seems to me in the vein of the other ones we want to know  people are legitimately getting this money to open up a business and asking for this stuff is stuff i do as an attorney in plenty of plenty of times you get that we quest yeah i think this is fine we want to make sure the money that these people are funded fully in that the money is not coming from some illicit you know place but again i'm happy to talk to councils doing this to what the comments might be ok you're going to take me through counsel well no i think we need to talk to counsel about her comments here yeah yeah  i gree with that financial information but the irony for me is that that's the purpose of allowing the licenses to be transferable is so that you know that there's value assigned to the business having a understood from george the the reason licenses are allowed to be transferable is you know you want to the restaurants that have the license to look place you want the package stores to be well well kept and part of the value of the business of course is this right of first refusal or the license and so that's part of the story behind the state laws which is in this regard and you might have multiple applicants for a license if you had to one who then turns out not to have the wherewithal to stay in business i think is i would want to know in advance before we choose a winner that they can actually i'm just saying it's over so we have mean it what's the procedure he would have me or into clear that if they did it about this language is already in there about them providing a site plan and it just says basically she added here that if it's required essentially because maybe they're not required to do a site plan that's fine sixteen b she changed the hours to match the law hours of operation on memorial day which i i'm not i'm not objecting to that we will want to follow the law she did not make the note here we had a conversation before and about eighteen d about banning pitchers of beer and in belmont and whether we should mark that up and that's a current ban but whether that's something we wanted to continue or not because as a fifteen it's not highlighted there nope just a duty to be sure to be honest be a beer isn't what it used to be as far as a more of a gourmet item but i i put that out there as to whether or not that that ban that you put in a picture you see right here so that you put in picture not that is the current law eleven the current laws that pitchers of beer are not allowed and that some if we're going through this while we're going through this is put the bug in your ear maybe you think about think i'm just raising an issue i'm not advocating for them where they live in in i this is another matter for discussion and this has to do with the b y o b that we had talked with the police about when they came in that one time right and whether or not we want to do allow b y o b because on the one hand it's a convenience for the people on the other hand it kind of not fair to the people who went through the process to get a license when those who don't don't go through the process allow people to drink in there in which case what's the point of having a license don't finish it that they can seal it and you can take it home as long as they see as long as they see light which prevents people from over drinking because you don't feel like you paid for the bottle of wine to finish it which is not a bad thing there's this part in here  about about that deals with the b y o b in the middle so if you do one if you do the b y o b in the language stays in if you don't then it doesn't so the numbers we're going to have to talk about fifteen point two deals one to bring up this is not highlighted as well but this has to do with the ban on lottery ticket an idea that had to do with granting that the liquor license the full it or license to the loading dock and then when the license was transferable like it or not to  start markets he felt it was important that that be go with it because it was a condition for widen that it would that it had to be a vision on the transfer and then start markets agree to it at that first meeting  as they were sitting at the table so i think it's a separate issue and i think it's something we have to talk about in the context of our license renewal in december which we agreed to do because  essay contest is to have students choose one political or community issues that impaction people in their town and if they were the chief elected official how would they bring positive change the issue and so there are structures in here that they will be looking for in the essay competition and putting financial limitations the size of the offers and illustrate how it's what the strengths of that program are and this is for third and eighth graders yes and this is the contest deadline for students is friday november and they're going to they'll offer a tall third through eighth graders yeah i think my guess is eighth graders is that it's not third throw it's third in a second essay for now for eighth graders and third graders just the same as you for that post you know i suppose on the essay the people reviewing the essay will be able to tell whether the parents wrote the essay or not so we should encourage the parents of the eighth graders do not write the essay for your eighth be helpful to see the street closure what you guys are probably already looked up what they thought if i bring another schematic it might be helpful so it's just really yeah it's just the one fortune of common street that is where the businesses are from to palo to basically the end of the right the end of the cross walk there and then this little section of where the businesses are and pushing out so it's just to the dental lab we're not going to close off any of the other portions where they're home i think and it's coming together really well in terms of just talking i've been in touch with jerry and he's been a huge huge help in trying to get this off the ground and we're hoping to have some of the same sort of amusement that he has with other activities could be the same as town they we're not trying to mimic it but we're trying to make it more locally grown so i'm actually going to have spaces that i'm going to put out to other businesses that are cushing square in belmont to see if they want fish tablespace which i think would be really fun for i probably have two hundred and forty feet of space that's usable for ten foot space tables which is what jerry does in the center he breaks it up by ten by ten slots and runs them for one hundred dollars that helps pay for the police detail and the d p w cleanup and all these different things so it's you know hopefully the state works you know it seems like it's in i have a little bit more pressure to get it all done in a shorter period of time but i think we can do it and i think it's really great for coaching square i think it needs a little boost and if this is really what i've heard from the amusement gentlemen in the food vendor that jerry uses they're willing to help me on the price of all of these things to get me up and running which is great you know the rides themselves could be five thousand dollars and he's saying ok i'll bring them for nothing this year to help you get this off the ground start he's going to take probably i'd say that's probably sixty feet something like that he could bring four or five things that he has a great track record safety he's never had a safety issue is a great guy and he's actually been super helpful and sort of talking things through with me and then as i said i'm trying to keep it locally grown is what i want to use as our sort of tag line because i want the restaurants to come out and you know feel a part of it i don't want to bring in food that's going to compete with anything that anybody's doing down there and i want every business to participate who can and if i have extra space i want to put it out to business association and belmont center and say if anybody wants to even the gentleman who's willing to you know work with me with the amusements and everything i mean he thinks it could build up steam which has happened with belmont center he was there when it was really really small and it's now grown exponentially and i think having a fall  and then the may event and belmont if it works well i mean i'm not stepping on anybody's toes i don't think and i think it would be a really nice thing for you to be excellent yeah unfortunately we can't get this on the camera but i don't think it's right at the businesses there exactly exciting yeah and it's you know i really don't think it will be much of an inconvenience with the street clothes because the fire department and the police they've all weighed in there's a lot of weighs around in cushing and we're not closing ideally wanted it to be go up to pace and be close there and have that be a one way but you know we're going to keep it simple and not complicate that maybe if it if this grows as successful we can close a little bit more which is you know would be a nice thing to look forward to in the future but i think starting out with this and having talked to as many people as i talk to you i think you could still be a really great big event i've talked to there circus in cambridge and they'd have a stilt walking  signed in motion wireless to install twenty three hundred and twenty cell phone towers similar to what's being proposed in belmont which affects eighty eight communities on all of the communal rail lines throughout the whole system the purpose is to provide free wi fi service to people that used to command a commuter rail lines a main goal of the will in then those ultimately share revenues with the n p t but it won't cost in detainee capital expense so there's what are we supposed to do in this regard it's it's you know there are a lot of communities that are getting very involved in it in this whole process the for example the town of and over there are actually subject to four polls they are doing a massive writing campaign both the elected officials and the residents so it's really up to you how you want to proceed with this  for additional information well days after they have this or you know that you're doing your memo yes right so one of the things that is the control board is trying to get a hold trying to get their arms around is that as i said the contract was signed in tw reviewing the projects so they're trying they themselves are trying to get their arms around what is the contract say what is the specifics of the polls what is the specifics of the system so some of the information that there are asking  were trying to put the station a pleasant street  melissa my dog and i went to fetch burke and we went to every station between that and bill moore to see you know what kind of deal it was in how many how many of these towers we're going to put on this thing three hundred twenty o aware jeffrey that we have a i wasn't aware of this or wire if you don't you mean you probably know this we have wireless telecommunications facilities by law yes we passed back in one thousand nine hundred eighty and i don't know what impact that has on this decision at this meeting there was a least a hundred people present frenchay to me do they need a well the witness of this so what the system is is that there is fiber optic underground but then the pole and needs to be there needs to be a pole in order to project onto the train but that antenna is actually at thirty five to say i think was that if you read this why find ten a are going thirty five feet up the seventy four foot pole and then the rest of it is so that they can lease it to cell phone carriers which is like want to build a thirty five foot pole you know right if you're going to do that it just thank you for going to the meeting but i know it's kind of last minute notice but we only found out about this if you recall because they had to send notice to a store if they're not descended to a store who would not have been involved in this at all which is part of the problem almost all the notifications i mean it doesn't do any good to tilt at windmills but almost all the other patients from the n p t calmly in the last two or three of like two days before they were having the meeting we couldn't respond to their budget review because you know  we didn't have a meeting scheduled three of us of friday and you know we couldn't we couldn't do it i mean the problem here is the federal telecommunications act of one thousand nine hundred six which probably was why we did the one thousand nine hundred eight by law but that they have the ability to do these things and we have very feet for carriers to place their antennas on and we don't know what those are going to look like when we did the pull up by the cemetery we were told every ten feet right and you saw what happened with that with the plymouth church one i mean all the controversy this is just going to i mean i still like you know the people living next to there with the data show that i mean if somebody puts a hole and you happen to think that's going to make you say yeah i think we need to make  he's for no because there are citizens group that opposed to this it's not a formal citizens group just citizens from different communities are coming forward and they are talking about trying to formulate something  regional where are we i know and then there's the issue of the safety of like a fall that they mention the following requirements that they're supposed to be able of the pole vault to take care of it on their property which clearly the right railroad right away can it could if it falls in the direction of the tracks but the other letters from somebody on an issue where where can we say where can we announce where somebody can send if they're opposed to this they should be sending it to everybody anybody  put the address on our website in her in the end encourage people to look on the web you know on our own website we have that thing with you about things that are going on and we can sing a published writer write a letter let's let's let's get some i'm going to write letters and i want to  thank you thank you jeff i think you know ok now we come to more more work phyllis you want to give us the story about the community appointments where are y was a mistake that the term that he was appointed to would have expired in sixty but last when the appointment was made it was  wrong year so it was made until seventy so it turned out that it would have expired last year but the appointment letter he got was just seventeen and so i think that was the reason that instead of and again as we spoke about last time i think the idea was that you would have to it would expire one year and then to the subsequent year and two and what it with this error in making the appointment for seventeen down barbara as is most to come back in rafi if he's going to be an associate needs to be reported or he needs to be notified that his term was up this year and does he have consider does he interested in forth because i think they're both terrific applicants i don't really know mr sanderson that well but he has a great background in planning but i do know steve pinkerton and i do appreciate that he worked the work he did in increasing seven and he's got a terrific resume  well you know my my choice would be i guess would be barbara and sanderson and i feel yes i met mr sanderson through the whole p q playground process ok and he's was excellent and he talked to me about his background and as you see in the pinkerton don't get me wrong and him props possibly somewhere else we could find for him however i mean background is more in tact and i t them planning and he doesn't fit any of business criteria for the planning board in my opinion it's not a dig on him i just think that steve i'm sorry that mr sanderson is a star and i know and i think that he would be he fits this is criteria so and i think he's willing to get involved he's got younger kids in the system he brings a different perspective i  three you know that makes a big difference and then my other my other point is whether steve fits it or not whether he's an i t guy or not he's really i've worked with him in the past two years some of the houses that were going to take it would only understand that and then the other thing i have i want to say if i may the other thing i want to say is that joe is stepping off because of the project that they're said he was checking it out to see if it was something he'd want to be interested in and he was very enthusiastic and he actually then apply for i would i would my in my mind i would follow the chairman's lead with the c b a and promote andrew plunkett and then take i put him on possible so i guess we need to get the guidance and find out what we're going to do on the guidance is essentially that you can yield to the administrative hearing person again  is that you know the purpose of the lottery in keno it is in the historically is to stop the numbers game from being controlled by them in the past and you can check that out through history new york boston franklin tell you that's true there is no numbers no he was connected there is there is no numbers game in the in the belmont but some people like to play kino and as far as i'm concerned that's ok yeah it was kind of decided this because of you know it's the moniker deplane keno but they don't have the moniker so that makes it more difficult because they can't watch but there is an increase in sales when you have the money right which is favorable to the lottery which is favorable ok so i mean i think so if you'd like to proceed with legal action you might   they said they said it was prudent to proceed to the hearing correct so then i didn't understand that they were they were basically him agree with that i think i think we're but i think enough to know you know i mean the we have we have the resolve if if we they that they took advantage of a group can i ask a question about that penalize are they renewable every year i don't believe they are i don't believe they appear with a calendar is much better to this far as telling what's going on in various committees that night when the meetings are it's night and day and the fact i can pull up on my phone now i'm used to sitting time meeting and people would bring something up i want to pull up a the other item i wanted to mention is that we are i will be appearing before the historic district commission at their meeting on the fifteenth we are in need of marking a fire here but the trade off for that is that we also have on your agenda for the twenty first consideration by you of designating a fifteen minute loading zone more street between the th driveway and the one of the driveways for the that side of the home or building really so that we have a fifteen minute loading zone area designated for vendors who are making deliveries to the town hall offices or school offices and also for facilities department and staff who can load there without taking spaces out of the fire line or the news parking lot and it would also be available for other commercial folks like u p s as long as it's a fifteen minute staging so it is a sort of a stand and businesses in the center but when it's you know that we think that it would be helpful to have that space does it so that it makes the parking continue to be as efficient as possible and protect the fire jerry in that department report and i would ask them to give that top priority because it bothers i know i'm not getting it bothers everybody in the building it's impossible to work there it's not fair to you it's not fair to anyway she's a lovely woman she's one hundred years old and they need they need for you to please review the situation that has to do with construction in the set of stairs in the back and you know see if you can hel it out ok no the other thing is that i did send a letter to liz allison concerning the so called big idea and i've circulated to other people but i didn't circulated to the two of you i did s fill us in phyllis will you send it to my to call this place because i've waited until today because liz said she was going to take a look at it over the weekend and then you know so out of politeness i've waited and  think as i said in that letter i like the town meeting form of government because it's very flat you know and and and it individual wrote residents can influence the government not necessarily easily but but it's a responsible form of government but i think ideas like that and ideas like the ones that i presented to are to serve you know full discussion so it's not our gend needs to be part of the libre trustees deliberations and i think the planning board agreed on that and the other point that we'll have to the consider or a board doesn't consider over time is we have four major building projects folks at attendance as you know we're going to have to figure out what we're going to do here because you know i'm not certain that we can as a community afford four dead occlusion operating over within the next ten years so let's think about how we can accomplish all of this and so the more in probably get where was a part of that process the better well that's the topic of my member of the lives and also i think the idea even though we didn't discuss at lot of the last meeting the idea that there's going to be some kind of decision made or selling town property the scene i mean the idea that that would be done by september's is out of the question in my mind because i think something like that deserves full discussion and we're obviously not going to be done with that in september so i did have a question for you though given your experience on the board why had invited catch him to it in that meeting and i thought that or at least i was informed that kathy was informed about this it sounds like she wasn't at least in detail way and we give in i think our reaction was interesting going to meet with the schools so i think we try to meet with everyone and someone rafi said we had an idea i think it's here said i want to come and present it and so to me and how we react it is it's an idea it wasn't something that is an idea that we gr something that that we need to sort of concern concern ourselves with but to me what i said at the me was books this is an idea it's nothing more than that i'm not offended by an idea and i think that we as a community need to decide what we're going to do with all these major belief is something has to be done but short term and long term that's what the major cup by the working group is going to present in the fall and i hope that i think the plan is that when i'm not just going to present it se to borrow adam's word holistic you know i think you view you view the whole problem because it's pretty clear that something has to be done for projects within ten years or you know funding so you know i think if this were a co op which it's not i understand completely that you would just do an assessment you know i'm not suggesting that we have to do that but  you know you don't have a magic wand you don't have a magic wand in the town has obligations that it needs to take care of and we need to figure out the best way to do that take it to the public and you know my gosh what i think we're going to have i think we need to have suppose library in high school maybe that's something that is can be successfully passed and then you hope for you in some point i mean i think you know i'm going to actually i think it's also important to point out that the high school is not just for the high government you know taxes first came about for a common defense but you know if you go back to the sixteen hundreds but now one of the general welfare part of the part of the reason t get to tax real estate is for education you know it's the state doesn't tax for education we do in but but there are certain standards of education that you have to maintain you know you don't get the tax if you're not going to spend the money on significant but to let the roadway is significant and i may have said that you did not see that the length of the road as being in the public interest he does not agree to support the third i write that i'm not sure and i find it if i am almost positive that you didn't say that what i said is that we need to that topic no i mean i'm not here as and you know the last meeting we had on that topic was that they were going to submit a plan that would show us what the proposal would look like if it was a six hundred foot driveway and we never got it that's correct we never did and then it was withdrawn so we've never seen that in people who were opposed to the projects said that we couldn't realistically approve it unless we saw that plan and so you know that's what we that's what we have so we never voted up or down no you could not and they never came back with the plan and then i guess they withdrew their application so far that's what happened i think there was another meeting after the april twenty