studying for gosh oh how you became an educator and how many poor you have been working since because we have a lot of things you have to talk ok so what is the beginning the beginning was actually in san antonio texas when i first played drums my brother and i we had just moved to san antonio i was fifteen and we were walking around the neighborhood we didn't know anyone we heard music coming out of the house and it turned out a family just a few houses down the street from us had this week we get together and they played piano guitar bass drums some singing and we sat out in their yard and listened to the music and then they came out and invited us to come in and i got my first opportunity to sit in on a drum set and so i played on this guy's drums and i loved it and then after that my brother went home to my parents and said you've got to buy jeff a drum set so or i was ahead and then i got into a high school band into a jazz band at mcarthur high school and i had two instructors lenda mcdevitt who was my rudimental snare drum instructor at edison high school and john pearson who was my band director at mcarthur high school and senatorial and i am eternally indebted to both of them for getting me started from there i went to college for a very short time to the university of texas played in the university of texas marching band and then left for hollywood california with two friends to make a band out there and we played six nights a week at a club on the carnegie hall a number of other places but the real education for me as a twenty year old person was playing with an entirely african american band and playing the chitlin circuit which is the small african american clubs in the south and that's where really my musical education branched out and i learned so much about the united states as well as about music and it was irreplaceable i where do you begin teaching well really i add a little bit of teaching when i was in high school but it was only subbing for somebody i had no idea what i was doing so i really started teaching privately after i had moved to vermont and had been playing with several bands up here and just took on a few private students but now that's become my main sustenance teaching at the university i taught at johnson state college for sixteen years and overlap that with teaching at uva and i started a v m in ninety five and have been there since so it's kind of a gradual well the recording was always sort of going on incidentally here and there depending on what the circumstance was so you are no more immersed in teaching you have also been making p me for americans i had some opportunities i got some ideas at johnson state when i was teaching there a student said to me jeff i've been studying with you for a while i like i know some rhythms and it was rock and jazz and some latin but i don't know if i can really get around the drums i started thinking about getting around the drums and i remember an exercise that i had learned from alan dawson from studying his work the great drummer who was tony williams from teacher who taught in boston and was the original drum instructor of berklee college of music wonderful jazz drummer and educator and i thought of an exercise where his limbs were going in opposite ideas about how to move around the drums and learning how to move around the drums myself with different directional strategies so it's been wonderful before we pass as big a little bit of a cost that is a very important event is the natural progression wash one the first person his idea of having this international percussion workshop to johnson state college in one thousand nine hundred ninety six with andy shapiro who was head of the jazz department at johnson at the time may rest in peace and he organized this and i became one of the original faculty members on this and i was amazed all of a sudden there was  state it's now at castleton state college each late july or perhaps first of august but generally like the third or fourth week of july and i mean i could list the people balti michael spyro just enormous talent right here in vermont i have to drive an hour and a half but there's the world it's amazing to me and the spirit of clothes and the cooperation and the collaboration among the artists that are involved with the coast it's a wonderful thing i highly recommend it to anyone and also has as you met in cuba it has  trip that happens each spring i went in two thousand and ten it was a fabulous experience it was so incredible to see some of the tightest bands i've ever seen for people i will never hear of probably these kids teenagers who rehearse every day all day long here in the states you try to get somebody to rehearse they want to know how much money they're going to make but their it's their job and they rehearse and they become so tight and musicianship is such an incredibly high caliber it was really astounding and highly recommended to anyone who could do that you brought your breakfast but you also brought on like and i freak and  single flam tamil two swiss army triplets and a double flammed mill and it sounds like this if i play it on one surface ross you keep me hanging on ok sorry but that rhythm if i want to be told play to three guys with your right hand while you play the introduction to any of those three songs with your left hand i would really have to think about that i might have to write it down but with this rudimental combination grade and now he's one of the best young drummers in the state very proud of him and they're newer i mean if i were the main drum teacher in vermont for a number of years then i had this crop of students at johnson state talented young students that i am so proud to have taken at least a part in their development i enjoyed a royal where he played  when it comes out and eagerly awaiting its publication we have a column of cover design and the cd cover cetera that are that are all ready to go and as soon as it's in production as soon as it's available i'll let you no promotion but we have use it many times you know radio shows so thank you everyone for having us and we now are going to sacrifice also with this great ending that was also the ending of the show at the spruce peak and next time we are going to burn the whole concert for you thank you jeff thank you tony so much you have to go back with a book i will do that ok thank you very much and thank you to