fifty thousand dollars and it was sent to us and portland oregon and it was made out to western pacific specialties the investigation at one point led to the california department of transportation employees because they figure that they would have the information to create this fictitious invoice the government's theory and what it alleges in the indictment and what  presented the trial largely consisted of information about what happened in the bank in portland they allege in the indictment that mr created a bank account that he they made the argument explicitly but even as a trial the testimony came out when it was kind of weaker than they expected in terms of the evidence that was actually the bank and made the wire transfer august second and august third and then also he wasn't the person who went in the bank on august tenth they tried to withdraw funds from the account which you describe is usually one and a half to two inches in length and it's something that is done in a hair stylist mr who was attorney also presented it have it as through california department of transportation records i think it in the context that this whole paragraph in the indictment especially along with the discovery and the testimony where the government had a witness that was picking out mr in the bank and then i question possibility of a conflict i think i think in general that he it used many of you some accomplices but i think with respect to the specific banking transactions i think if paragraph four and information and paragraph three about what security number down and that mask the name and social security number that was in the application for the credit cards so i think there is some evidence that he applied for the credit cards but whether he car but tolling nine hundred fifty dollars which is less than a thousand dollars threshold and the other gary wilson credit card the one account three there's no information no evidence that he i think there's no reason you have to go outside the existing record to find a counselor than the fact that i think it in other cases and a lot of cases you do have to that's why you do it in twenty to fifty five motions but in this situation point and i think there could be additional claims additional arguments also presented in the twenty to fifty five nine hundred dollar withdrawals at the art fair mall in sacramento these were cash withdrawals made in the nine hundred dollars on the card account to nine hundred dollars on the card account three same day because they were both in the same was in a way that piggy back on the first card used the exact same information that was used to get the first card it went to the same address and as i said the charges are consistent same day same place same activity the jury believed based on that evidence that mystery about half the third card and had used it even though we didn't find any of the cards and even though there wasn't a receipt for the for the card charged in count three the jury believe hoover had that card and used it and we believe that their finding on that is supported by the evidence and should be accepted by this court and maybe it's some evidence to apply for the credit card is evidence he played for the credit card and there's evidence that the credit card was used but nothing that he used the credit card information on another counts he had there was someone else