holland city t v and we are and are in the park and i'm telling you this place is already packed it's like ten thirty quarter to eleven it's a beautiful day there's lots of artists here everybody from painters and you've developed a very unique style where did you come up with i'm not sure i illustrated children's books and so i used to love black and why why i still do black and white in and so parties birthday parties and showers i'm having a baby shower coming up and i had an accounting group come in and they just did that to relax and have fun it took them a while to relax and have fun i had group of accountants really support yes and where are you from sutton's bank michigan i have a gallery in fishtown and leland michigan for coldwell i'm looking at some of your titles and stuff here what what is the material that you start out with here it's it's a great clay that we get from st louis and when did you start i grew up at a pottery so i have my my dad is a potter and then i you know and i started working with claim i was just as i was a little kid and then actually i went to whole college and  second year doing that the friends of arts are there very cool you have some beautiful stuff and wonderful ideas where do you get your inspiration i want to first started out i was i wasn't at art fairs yet so i was kind of on my own coming up with ideas and i'm on my general focus is going to be wildlife so it was all the things that like i grew up with knowing that were it really important to the area that is you know you see in all different areas and then as i would go to morning art fairs i get more and more requests so even today i've got about three or four different ideas and like in the winter in a falls when i must my time to make them all so that's when i start to kind of compile all the ideas that i have and i take the ones that are the most interesting and then just goes into my collection and i don't want four hundred designs no one is keeps growing eric or i don't i don't retire designs florida nine years ago all retire yeah and you go yeah this is my love i like to i just are painting actually in two thousand but i was going to ask you t florida couple my canadian friends i had taken some our classes and i saw some of their work and we just started getting together and they showed me a couple of things and it just kind of took off from there for years and thank you thank you i really enjoy  when i was at lake superior state university my first novel came out in zero four my second one and zero five seven nine eleven and what are your novels about oh well my bestseller is the secret keeper it's a story about a shrink whose wife dies and on the day of her you are all he gets a letter from her with a letter is postmarked two days after she died wow yeah that's always good takes place in mt pleasant clay or cadillac traverse city  so we actually had some people come up and tell us you gotta check this guy out yes i'm a zing and i know i'm glad we did because i'm flattered you're that how long have you been doing well actually you know this is a crazy thing to say but  i kind of want when i was young my mom had brought in a shrink at the house took a kind of look at my horses i was drawn when i was about ten you know and i saw it just kind of just the first time i said that probably like forever but yeah i just went from there and i took some ar classes in high school courses in college and my wife is an artist and where we had a family for seven years i did some painting and we had a family and i kind of put all the people rushes away and then when they all went to college i got them all back all back out again and then book you know to try and do now is aches and yeah so i did a few things for her and then i thought this is going to work and then next thing you know i kind of put some of the mosaics close to the paintings and then i just started coming together very unique and this guy and you know on the beach before you bring the grasses and of course that's the last to have the grasses if you don't have the background dried in the grasses smear and after you know bring them out over the drier colors acrylics  some of them are like me are now retired but hopefully we've laid a decent building foundation for the future because we have been quite frankly has a lot of good things that can come come yet  i'm not too worried about how in the weeds in my retirement i've had a chance to travel a little bit and the whole country really has struggled financially yeah and how and probably has weathered the swellest a small unities of the signs i would and cool so you get most of the stuff just from junk your rummage sales people donate all throw away at scrap yards dumpster diving at factories metal factories people throw in recycle stuff recycle resell it keep it in environment well welcome to home and i hope you do well thank you thank inspiration from oh i just had my daughter a while back and all and i started making her clothes and i wanted to make more and so on well that's very cool so i'm go to other  good show going so far good good like to hear that