difficulty but i think we're just going to have to do it the old fashioned way and do stuff face to face with paper and small screens so first order of business evan do we have any agenda additions or changes is so first order of business guests and one from the audience who has something to discuss or question or a statement to make that something's not on the  that is or isn't in place right now as far as projects are are brought to the planning commission that involve significant impacts to the roads and the way it seems from how i follow the project for a few projects is that the developer grants the plans to the planning commission it gets permitted there's there's agenda as you know there's everybody gets together and there's discussion and then ultimately and waivers are issued or not and then it gets approved and then the plan goes forward the way and i'm not sure what the what the procedure should be but it seems like when there are developments that impact the roads are the trustees involved pre planning approval because it seems like once the proof was given in waivers and been given that in our situation part terrorists we're left to deal with the reality of what was approved if we go back to the planning commission to express our dissatisfaction or to give them an update or  just explain the reality that we're dealing with now that we've probably talked about and warned about back when planning meeting were met with well it's too late but you know the roads belong to the trustees and there you go at traffic impacts and other impacts ahead of time before they sign off a sign off on it and then the application forward to the planning that's that's the process that the board of trustees doesn't get involved  agenda and the thing is when suspend approved and once everybody everybody signed off on it it doesn't feel like there's any recourse in it and i was wondering at what point did you guys actually see those plans at what point did you actually sign off or do you sign off on it on an application or yeah but it would impact on the road that we we don't did you know i mean it's not it's not only didn't we were not allowed  prevented from doing that and we do not sign off on the plans the we appoint planing commissioners to do that work for us and we trust that they're going to do it with our intentions in mind and with the help of village staff so after the fact when there is impacts to your neighborhood i think the recourse that i would recommend and i'm not sure this is what you're referring to is you have an issue you're going to go to village staff and you can say either to the village manager or can get into the parking lot there is no loading dock parterre is getting used as a loading dock when they're landscapers come and i have pictures that i can send you they've got two big trailers that are par manufacture a loading dock now the waiver was already granted we spoke up vehemently about it when i we were told point i was told that the whoever the tenants were going to be would be able to just call their deliveries tell them what size truck they need it and no problem they would you know get their deliveries with smiling trucks which is ridiculous we said that at the time and guess what it's ridiculous if you can't if you need to liberty's a beer or food or restaurant supplies you can't call feral until you know send me a little truck now and they need to deliver fifteen cats so it's it's just it's a problem that we anticipated it's one of manning and what like i say we get more detail about the things but it's one of those things where when we talked about the impact that not having a loading time in the parking lot not having sufficient parking was going to do it to the street in our neighborhood it got approved anyway and there's really nothing that maintenance can do i mean we do get our no parking signs reinstalled but that was you know they should have been reinstalled sooner anyway but you can't you can't change what the planning commission d and that's it's it's frustrating it's really frustrating and i think i think i would feel better if i knew you guys were involved or we could come to you and say look here there's a development that is going to potentially impact our street even more you need to be a part of the decision because what can you do if you can't do anything for some of these things now it's too late but you know where you get involved in the process and how projects impact our street mr handy is next to fellow men i've got the plans that show where he plans to build the other building where for dying ends and the other building next to it ok so there's your marriage that you're also aware that there is now a temporary parking lot that is using what was formerly a single curb cut for a duplex as now a two lane driveway and cars coming and going on the street that still doesn't have a sidewalk there his future building incorporates a drop to two roads in that spot going in and out on i'm parked here is there one goes then goes underground into the underground parking in the built building that'll be were for dominance and then the other it all goes straight in and that was it seemed like it was meant to hook up to the senior house senior housing so one thing is we've got this other per post building that potentially has a huge impact again changing the use of the driveway impacting history and number one is it fair to the developer to let even go through the planning process if in fact that is going to be a problem never to is it in fact going to be a problem i would suggest that it's going to be and it's one of those situations is it the chicken or is it the egg you know i mean i don't want i really don't want in a year from now to have been told when we are here complaining about the situation and how much worse part here is to have you guys tell me we should have been here it should a sense something you should have got us involved in the process i don't want that to happen and i don't want there to be a situation where we didn't know we didn't know what to do and now it's too late so just on the record i don't know how you maneuver that like i say to the developer if his plans hinge on having that access it be nice if they knew that this was a potential big and you've got to incorporate the neighbors and the people that use the street and the home village  a road you guys are jurisdiction over that yes ok so the question connector plans are presented on the website show a road that is designed to move traffic and it's two lanes there wasn't any parking there was maybe a sidewalk maybe a maybe a biplane on one side and it's designed to move traffic more efficiently through and past five corners correct yes ok that i'm not sure how deep exactly a road needs to be did doug but it's not tremendously deep at all to get to go like twenty feet to put in a road but ever but maybe that site is filled with hazardous waste that site is very close to a lot of hazardous sites there's a lot of problems with dating and site management there so number one i'm looking on the web site i'm wondering is there a site management plan or can  i do want to i don't what beat i might be able to say sometimes if i'm trying to cut you up with a day before that project was approved they did extensive environmental studies and so there we're the contractors are aware of it right that there might be some it and i don't know i can't write off the top of my head i can't tell you exactly what's going to happen but they are aware that they're that that there are some environmental issues over there in the end you have to handle them in a in a very specific you know specified standardized way exactly so because that's a village brode they were village state or federal project i would assume there's a certain amount of responsibility that the village is taking on to mitigate and make sure that stuff in a positive manner ok that's fine we now have plans for a proposed development in on the way and that is going to be accessible now once the present connector goes and you've got a developer proposing for buildings with underground parking apartments and commercial and insufficient parking which they're going to ask for a waiver for the design of the present connector on their drawings is dramatically different it is the same street however now you've got angle parking on both sides which as a traffic mover if you can imagine cars going in the name and backing out that doesn't heed the flow of traffic the schematic also indicates a five foot by claim in the road behind me and the parking now i'm not a traffic engineer but if i was on a bike and somebody was backing out of a parking space that seems to me to be very problematic once again it's a project like many that doesn't have sufficient parking so whether or not that parking is met to make up the slack for when the developer is not willing or doesn't want to put in is winter parking is that overnight parking you've got now that road that present connector which is meant to have traffic you've got angle parking you've got a bike lane you've got an entrance that's going to be using used to service four buildings people making right lane right and left turns you'll have people making the love turn that are going to back up traffic while they wait to get out of aggressive connector you'll have pedestrians needing to cross the street to access the angle parking so where you would install another pedestrian crossing like all of a certain the plans for the crescent connector that seems fairly straightforward all of a sudden it doesn't seem like it's going to be a road that's going to be a smooth bypass for traffic it starts to sound a lot like park terrace just stand with people with good cars and pedestrians and bikes and a lot of interruptions to watch the biggest smooth flow of traffic regardless of whether the trains are coming through back and step up any way you can get rid of the trains so that this is part of the agenda item this has nothing to do with park terrace i'm also concerned though because the digging that will happen for those buildings is obviously going to be a lot deeper there is all that hazardous material so one would assume that their plans would also involve the most they have to they have to take care of that hazardous waste as well going to bring out i didn't really i preach it i think we can't do you know the this is kind of really for public to make comments we we can't really get into too much of a dialogue with you about it some embracing very interesting points  good thank you appreciate it anyone else public to be heard oh good ok so we are going to move along and get to our guests in presentations question you know basically then nationally our community is one of the primary goals is to to follow the governor's lead and try to get to ninety percent renewable by twenty fifty and it would be it would happen that green lantern came i was private six months you know and i made a proposal and basically what they want to be was a site or t manager town manager chester and it completely screws up i talked with at least six individuals to get an idea of what their experience was and found that they were very pleased with the outcome   after that with john you know lauren and rick certainly looked into some of the details because last thing i wanted to do was include curtis to sign onto something if we didn't find they would actually system so it's from my point of view a very win win situation we keep a mocked up business driving hopefully and we end up being another community that is really far out into the green energy and it's local so i'm what i'm hoping is that we could we could vote on that if that's possible or certainly any questions we'd be going to try to answer for him and to have worked dave's going i can introduce myself into the project and give you guys some detail on the project and they're right it's a five hundred k w net metered solar array we're fully permit it and we went through the c p g process last year we just received a certificate of public good which is issued from the public utilities commission and that allows us to construction schedule now and we're going to be prepared to break ground really within the month and the project will be complete in about nine to twelve weeks and is david said we're working actively with the town of essex to supply them with the majority of the net meter credits we would also like to offer on the same basis with the same discount to the village to round out you done working with warren is i've gone through and done an energy study of what you have available to calculate what your potential savings could be and the numbers that i've come up with which are fairly accurate right now is that we would be able to supply about three hundred and eighty one thousand kilowatt hours of net meter credits to the village which were the quake to roughly seven thousand seven hundred dollar a year savings on your electrical spending the agreement that's used is the same exact agreement that we would be using with the town if you find the proposal acceptable i would recommend sharing some of the legal review expense that's possible we're also  covering that reasonable legal expense so that it's truly a no out of pocket offer to both the town and the village and that's how we've always operated when the projects finished and it was a really good project for us the permanent it's out of sight out of mind is on the top plain the chemo incorporated in this land which used to be a sand and gravel extraction site right so that pretty much rounds out the presentation of the project i printed out what we would normally do on the court power point presentation some of the details it should be noted that you know three things are going to be produced from the solar facility electricity which gets fed back into the grid and under the new program the  renewable energy credits are retired to the utility so that this project can actually be considered one hundred percent renewable and count towards the renewal goals for not only the  but the region and the states that's important the older that meter projects didn't retire the renewable energy credits the other thing that will be produced is the net meter credits which is what we're offering to noble aspects of the job aspects this is going to create about a job and a half and then we're going to be adding to the tax base for the town and we are a local company based out of waterbury and my brother and i who developed this project from the ground up herb local as well we would bring down the road jerko and we have our offices here and i six so very happy to be potentially doing this with the village as well moving forward in looking at this as well other was some extra money left over and mean in the village side not all of our accounts and all of our load was being taken by some other projects  so we brought the energy she commission before you the if you were so inclined the next step would be to say yes you're interested in how staff complete that legal review and bring back a proposal for you up to fifty one river road you go to the end of the road you come to a gate you go to the end of that road and the property is bisected by the son of the property into the north where on a open part of the sand pit to the west on about four point five eight years and can you think you can you just really simple to clarify for me that so this isn't already located in the town yes the net metering credits that are going to be generated exceed what the town needs and that is we have all the other agreements in place there's no rush or pressure and this is the idea is to introduce it and then take the next step gotcha and then answer questions that you may have real well the good news is that you we have one administrative team working for both the village and the town so they can at that expedite some of the questions so in the end it and they've already got a head start on it it sounds like so so any other question effective savings and the other is the percentage that we keep as a system owner which cash flow is a system no different than how the residential is finance or commercial decides to give it twenty years out i just interest in moving ahead with this particular two administration and i have to support that most likely will be trying to collaborate some way with the select board in terms of you know he could be great if we could even jointly approve this at the same meaning their money to begin with right but we have since replaced that correct you know so had they been writing checks from this previously but has never did the current budget that we have now just based on their income  designate six hundred thousand of them but they generate much more income than that for a program but they can't calculate from your year so they they have these fund balances that they carry over and i think that's really really the source of this any other questions do i hear a motion ok we are on to park terrorist parking update from what was going on and so we went out there we did see that there was a need for those no parking signs to get up immediately we had originally put out so officers or rode horses that had no parking and then of course came in right behind that and install those signs we have looked at some of the traffic flow issues and the use of the gravel lot that's next door and including talking to the owner of the property of for parole and talking to them about some of the issues that are occurring on and around the site including where trucks are approaching the livery having to talk to their and so we kind of toured the whole state and how did it how to deal with some of those things we even talked about parking enforcement and with the police department about all he would address perking infringement over there and especially during special events if you want to call the n c a a tournament especially that certainly had quite a fall attraction there but these issues were also by someone else but the village gets use of it we put up signs and we have started to trying to market if you will the bill ability of those spaces so good instead of people parking all over the neighborhoods instead of driving around and around just go over there search thirty plus spaces they're pleased in whether their employees use them they use them or not it opens up thirty spaces in or around the businesses of the future as these developments come in what would be our fallback about whether traffic will be two way or one way is used as a cut through as most of the streets around five corners are used on school st lincoln terrace all those streets are used to avoid the signal but the hope is that as the crescent connector gets up to speed and brought in and five corners actually is for intersections not by the traffic flow will be so much do i think people are a stop to the country no but there seem to consistently do it we didn't ignore we went out there i had robbed him before he went out on his vacation and we were discussing the whole thing including what's going on with the gravel lot next door and how those lots interact or are supposed to interact in the future but we're only in basically phase one of what's happening down park pretty much lays everything out in black and white more or less was a little bit of gray area and when you build it out you and you know you have a land development code and you you execute it but then in the actual it  reality it turns out that things that the landed development wasn't a good predictor of how things are actually going to turn out and yet you can't do on the spot revision of land development code but on the other hand if it's clearly there are some things going on that are permitted by the code but are not working for you there has must be some recourse in the remake revision and i i'd like to us we this probably isn't the appropriate moment to explore that that thing that we need to do it's the appropriate time but it is appropriate to bring up from time to time what those things may be so that staff has some direction to go look at it i think i understand what you're saying now i will take the comment from is why if we have a code that says you need a loading dock and ok it's there for a particular purpose it's there so it's not blocking traffic it's not doing this it's not doing in nature and then in this case it sounds like a wave but the part where they said that they would get ahold of their delivery people that's not happening and so we now have to do some phases because usually by the end of something you may find out something's not working right and you've waited and waited so i do agree and those types of communications to staff and to the plan commission zoning board and others is very appropriate you may have it ready for that night yeah no i don't think we i think that that we wanted to have we talked about before having a meeting with the planning commission but i know robert is away until we  enough so i think that what we should do is try to have a meeting with the planning commission as we said and make and put this on put this topic on the agenda of that that area because we know the conceptual plans we know more in generalities what do you want your code to achieve right what are you concerned with and look at the plan commission know your concerns so that when they do hear these cases and they are the body that is required to do been conceptual plans approved by the planning commission over there now that's a different as we as you know it and you know it's different from an actual application which is a fleshed out but so we have to be you can't come in at the end and say well no no we're going to not be you know we have to work with because conceptually approved right but that we still quite a bit of slack we have slack and if we if we determine that a certain type of whatever is a problem whatever has been except if i can just and i think you know we've heard that the police are searched then you know and i i would be reliving this if we continue to approve painting mission continues to it's it's too congested it's not people frankly there's no place for people we have many more pedestrians and that's a really lovely people who are living in the apartments for car and lot of new neighbors walking in the street because we were certain time limits and i'm not aware that a traffic study has ever been done if it hasn't been done it should be done and if it does go down like it's supposed to do i would like to see that the hours that are commercial ideas for things that you could you know before you reconstruct the street that i don't think are very expensive because you painted by playing on one side of history that doesn't seem like it would be very expensive and it would certainly make it a signal to paint perhaps that will you know encourage the cars driving parked areas to be in the middle which is something he's considering going the wrong way down there going to a pen or a car not traveling on their regular side of the parts street intersect right now one cars exit because it's such a narrow streets lots of times cars that are exiting park terrorists are in the middle of the road and when you are on to an intersection because we need the space to be drawn and what's happening now this new lines and when folks who are parking on school street all day long for eight and five they go far in such a way that it's very difficult to get in and out of my driveway because they are right up to my driveway line and when they're parked there i have to be on the other side of history in schools through this two way it makes it quite a challenge to get it out of my driveway so the very least we have party lines then and i'm not sure if you get like two feet back from a driveway i don't know if you've got rules on that but it would be really helpful to have those lines  way close to the twenty five that was that was frustrating we need to rebuild our tears because it is going to have to happen you can install a sidewalk you don't have to take land from the homeowner homeowners it i in fact a one way street which it has to be for safety issues and i think described here what it was like thirty years ago thirty years ago it was so bad that we fought for years to get that made into a one way street i can't imagine it would be any better now  can certainly give drivers intending to go their own way the idea that it's not what they should be doing can't be that expensive and if and when part hair is rebuilt as you consider doing that that would be that would be is parked which there are will be now more often than ever when a parking ban is not the fact they sometimes they make it sometimes are going to curb sometimes they have to back down the street because they can't make it if a vehicle is not making a delivery on school street has no business being marked school street many times those big trucks drive up terrorists on to school straight and they make a right and you can't tell me you couldn't have gone back out that way it's ridiculous they don't belong they joke that there is no waiver for exiting on another street with a weight limit because your car or your truck doesn't fit on this is are you the village has a plan in place and there's been a lot of discussion about that plan and their plans and put in place over time to do that with many many years and i think the know i can see right now the parking lot is go full behind a building built in doing very well this parking lot them so that's something that i think that the village really gives the focus on trying to promote the the areas that are already you know to some extent and i have you know no problems and this is the develop here if if there was some sort of because ultimately you know home to some extent we need because of the situational we have year in and i don't basically that's a way that you're going to crease the tax base and then you're but that money is going to go towards helping build parking structures or bigger parking lots or earth you know items of that nature and i think that's a really really in the neighborhood of fifty sixty million dollars just sitting in this corner alone tell me is a huge benefit yeah there are potential you know there's growing pains to go along with it but i think the way to publicly and privately quickly the whole the whole thought process behind the crescent connector that was started i was in the basement we're trying to think how can we make how can we reduce park street from four lanes to three lanes at the intersection how can we get some pra l park street so we can push the sidewalk out and make it less onerous or to walk across five corners and that it was it will be cooper wrote in that somehow circumvents the five corners and get some of the traffic off and that's that was the origin of the of the crescent connector but i think you're right we put these plans in place we do this we might in my view you know let the other trustees speak we we have to be we have to be involved in this we can't just make plans and then watch property owners fight amongst themselves or have these problems we have to be engaged to the greatest extent possible to what the law allows who try to resolve some of these things and to work with everybody and they can make it work for everybody including neighbors so  units in his building the hinsdale property is is twenty eight units the potential for the a lot in between could be another forty units so if you add all that up you're you know you're looking at the neighborhood of one hundred fifty units that are all within fifty yards walking distance then includes even the people of on you know school street in it in the park or iss is reconfigured so that this is more you know pedestrian friendly than that is it's going to meet the goals of the village which is people will come here they will park but then they don't have to leave again and they can basically walk walk the area and once that happens in business it will come because they will be concerned about world cars after because they realize they've got a hundred  year project i would argue it's actually finally just reaching a critical mass where you have enough people there and businesses are starting to come in and it's starting to really it's starting to gel but that doesn't happen overnight and  so you know i reiterate back to the phase one comment and that's really what we're looking at and i think yes we are dealing with some inconveniences along the way but i think it came i don't think we can lose track of the ultimate goal here and you know there was comments about the gra parking lot stuff and these are all things that we've spent you know money on to try to mitigate some of these issues but that gravel parking lot you know will be replaced by something more substantial maybe it's a parking deck and maybe in all of that it's hidden behind the buildings it will provide or parking not just for that walk but all the lots and all the units that are going to be created in that area thank you very after our discussions with the chief who's been very supportive it was pretty clear that the traditional marching route here in essex was not going to be available for us to use this year so we put our heads together and contacted some people and you i believe have a copy of a long term proposal and i just saw a map go out there we're proposing a different route it is not going to involve five corners and significant amount of  personnel to manage traffic but we will give our working groups and we hope to have about twenty five men somewhere around twelve hundred students this year come to essex that they would have the opportunity to  only marcieu a fairly dense residential section but also have the opportunity to march in front of their supporters to come in from out of town that always seems to be one of the challenges the parades go to residential areas and  this year our parade is going to use the very facilities that essex high school and have those visitors be able to sit in the grandstand and see all of the bands marched by them the presentation included some of the go home but let me let me evan do you have did you want to say something about the opening of the street the issue that i understand about athens driving on the way yes it it's a legal agreement in the event of if there's ever a fire or emergency it gives essex fire department coming down from the town if they need to back up village services instead of they having them to go all the way through five corners and basically go in all the way up all call just a road it gives them an alternative way to get in and it also provides them an alternative way to stack up the trucks in the event it will obviously never happen we hope but if there was some kind of an emergency at autumn pond it's a it's an alternative roadway in there it's not normally used but athens drive is a public road i understand so if you want to explain what this is about well  day it's been a tradition because people around here understand that they get it and there are other ways to get around the street at that time chief rick jones and the high school were done this and the use of this connector is only for the ability to get people we can either do it a couple of the ways we can close off or do some rolling closures where they can then have to wait a period of time to get in on bond or if there was a merge and see we need to be able to get into other areas by the fire department and our police department at the time of this thing we were not aware of any agreement it just came to my attention today so i don't know what this jones going to speak of it's put somebody on the phone earlier today and i got a copy of it so  end ever through straight and that was clearly stated in this room one hundred times by the planning commission that will never be a reduced rate in only then do we were able to get into a legal agreement stating that if you guys want to open up for the house i have to do some legal action to try to protect myself and for that down because i can't do that i can't allow to happen because these guys really want the protect their privacy and their rubble and they were in it was three and a half years of war but we came to this conclusion only after the village came until they guaranteed us that we never would have to face the issue of an open road said the only way we could hold this is also a parade with all these kids coming from all over the state to play music here in essex high school for the weekend all these families coming here the only way we could do that would be to open this works what grounds does everybody have over this just now also i have a friend whose real estate attorney and i showed it to him and what he should was if it  emergency someone standing by them would let them out the other way so they would be told their income for sure but it would just be an inconvenience but as i've said we've had great before people are inconvenienced it happens so i that will open if that is done at the home and save these discretion if they believe it needs to be open they will certainly do so it is now this this gentleman here if we have to do it is there is i heard that ok so we're we're approving on this where we're going to look at we're probably going to have to have but we have to figure out if we need someone there to open the gate in the event of an emergency but otherwise it will be closed although i will add i think we should have our attorney look into this some point to understand what this agreement actually says and so in under the circumstances where we can open it and close it i think of us we've got to unless you've go wonderful event i can tell you that my son was in it and i think the best people although the kids and parents are great i think the dedication of the music teacher and student staff to put this on every year throughout the state is is to be  is a little bit limited in motion she had a far away behind the wider area and she was late for class because she couldn't find a parking space and i was under the things are is it so there's a preview is there some action we're taking right now and actually i was one of the people that as soon as those seven signs went up i wrote an appreciation no i was we keep the four spaces up unbeknown stu the fire chief we were meeting today and he has asked if he can have the senior van parked in space moved  i have chips we have the village hall we have fire and we have the building right next door to us this white building that's part of their parking as well dedicating seven and is is we're going to be  words of five but seven may be something we could look at and see how it's playing and or give us time to talk with the library about and all these entities hours of operation because parking too soon in a sense of it's already there now so that way when the senior bus parks people can get off quickly have access to a and e a sidewalk moving it somewhere where they might have quick access to the  f i need a lift which a lot of them the users of the senior van use that to get on and off the list you can't have cars parked beside them because they need to spend you need to get the lift  village and you know present plan says we have a little boy love that he's old and just just listen and do sort of a listening tour just be out there so that's the idea and so the first one will be friday that's available now refocus but in general be happy to do that i just think that in today's day and age more so than even you know the last twenty years the participation rate doesn't really fluctuate very much here you're voting rate stays about the same here preaches a picture rate stays about the same and yet people want to be connected to themselves and to their village and to their town and their schools and all that stuff so i will put that together the one thing that i so i think we need to keep putting that information out there out out out what i'm always concerned with is that it's not a dialogue and that whenever we do speak to the public we speak with the proper authority and with the facts as we know them and make sure that people have read it first before it is out to make sure those types of things and that are outward appearance but it's not a dialogue per se that we're not going to have a chat room but we may put something out and when we see a lot of comments like i'm wondering and also since the select ward now has they got served i'm wondering if we don't want to have a cmos technology across the board here and i would also say i mean i don't want it if if if we're really  hardship to go from apple in a mac environment to a p c environment but usually going one way is is more difficult than the other way i mean if we had p c s right now we could just be cast into that we wouldn't need all the complicated fancy cables over there i mean or it seems like we should this should not be as complicated as it always is to for us can pads and you know i'm saying just turning this thing on and sometimes it works and we don't know why and you know can we do what  you're going to be me while i was there it was a quite apparent that had been high school while the parking is terrible surprise surprise one of the things i remember what it has been almost twenty years when i was at the high school  diane clemons in which she let me know was that when the western school district was going through the property inventory they are of the impression that's our property and that was put the chains up because of residents in the area complaining about kids blowing dogs and doing things that i could do at the same time they have the high school has a terrible parking problem if you possible to have staff talk with supervisor union or the school district about  oh it could have a little bit of good will to go along the way and also might help to make it a little safer because a number of times where i would see some kids literally just kids high school students some parents flying through trying to find a parking spot at speeds that are