you should be tabs for any sewer costs onto a building tenant is a private matter that would be discussed between the two parties staff recommends that in this instance and the instance like that asked a question so it wasn't clear to me last week when or several weeks ago would have scored presented to do the application come from them or from the building's owner has to be signed by the building's owner first seating capacity we have breakfast lunch but again they were guiding us to apply for the night ones when they were ready at our own cost which is a tough rush because we're buying his that night for quite a bit of money like it was said you know it's wall to twenty thousand dollars almost and at the end of the day this is going pretty much to the landlord is our understanding of the whole thing do not on this we wouldn't model actual consumption did you come to my place you buy one cheesecake you don't pay for two you know i'm saying so this must weed as they would don't understand the language why we pay industry standards  so one of the just to make sure i understand one of the decisions you make about whether you want to stay in a particular location one of the factors that goes into it may be one of the large factors because it involves so much money is the concept of here the allocation has already been secured when you move to that new space the owner of that new space may put a financial responsibility on duty to help pay for that not the tenant and then the other the other piece more of a policy overarching question is buy something like this as a town want to get in the practice of selling an asset for immediate use without payment in full and that's where i am touch on other it's a lot of revenue that's coming through i would think this might be a case where you might want considers very high exceptions and i understand your concern i do for not wanting to start years and and i have to say and in full disclosure i did just that personally so i had the pleasure of being with him socially in a number of occasions and i can't speak highly enough about his character and who he is and his wife so in some ways maybe i need to step back but i also wanted to do full disclosure to the board i think this is something that we as a board need to consider in town need to consider doing something different especially given twenty years of stellar service to a community so i'm i'm sure i'm liking the idea or i can see concerns because it becomes a question of who gets this for lack of better words benefit incredibly high ceiling in order to be able to even be considered for this i understand it concern i wouldn't want to be in position of seeing all these businesses start over time it's not like you don't want to be a bank but i think with something like this i understand what they're at ten dollars a gallon and so we're just charging back the same price that we paid to purchase that capacity and that's the same for everybody right for instance a homeowner gets paid the same or has to pay the same thing that's correct  that kind of the connection we're allowing it's not really a connection but we're allowing them to book this much capacity and then we will charge the base is it's like homeowners based on water or it works ok so like three and al were develops fantastic they're great to work with but i understand that he did our requirements for us in the beginning for breakfast and lunch for he seats whatever exactly it is and to do dinners he didn't want to accept a ten foot pole i don't blame them really because it's kind of a bonus to us you know to use that space at night for more revenue and i think really don't think that he would touch that with a ten foot pole i really don't know but it can't like jo task and we make in syria options i really don't think it would get anywhere but whatever the outcome is whatever the outcome is we first appreciate you meeting us secondarily you can maybe in the future don't see going back to rick's point about ash in the winter there is a vacant space right now that used to be a pizza shop that had some cover elocution and they closed and so the question  an ordinance that or an ordinance that wouldn't only apply to certain groups of people within the group of years of service or whatever but i don't know the answer to that question would be made responsible for paying at one time would it be their property owner and what happens if place goes bankrupt and so it was money to the town so it's number of things that i think need to be answered before we can go forward  attendance and then would you consider any sort of personal guarantee or bond two for assurances for the town that this is going to get paid zero zero one three and a and i ask you that directly because  something that i want to make sure eric and so it sounds like we have a consensus to go forward and we used to ask the question was it after yeah i think it you know that with a short payback you know we have to come up with the right wording for a contract and you would have to have your the line items or is making even some small decreases in some time i'll go through each individual section  so the modest increase you'll see collection that's mostly an increase in the periodicals and audio materials about a ten percent increase that we've been seeing on average each year for those hips of materials and postage line that we had had some healthy surpluses in the last couple of years but we have been warmed by the department of libraries that we should not plan for any interlibrary loan postage or korea grants from them in the future that they expect to see those line items that they distribute out to other libraries cut that was a grant that we received in the past that went anywhere from three hundred fifty dollars to one thousand four hundred plus dollars in the course of a year we also have a new interlibrary loan system software and as they're playing with the software bits here and there we're seeing our rates of requests fluctuate from other libraries were  they call it lending library meaning that we loan out to other libraries almost twice as many books as we borrow from other libraries so that's a part of the the is required for us to be able to borrow from other libraries we have to be able to loan our own collection so as they're making adjustments in the software that we're seeing some fluctuations we're not sure how it's going to  out in the end so for the first individual line item in the department salary for under regular circulating library there is no changes in staffing here we brought on a person from almost half time to his twenty five hours to full time last year and we're not making any changes in our staffing level at this time we are seeing an increase in minimum wage and figuring in for a one seven point five right now with what you're seeing though under this particular line terry is just for traditional library services we have other services that are for library staff that are broken out that have to do with like computer hour round seven point five as a total for the staffing oh i see there are other services here so you'll notice it says like library director ninety percent of full time because it's an approximately ten percent of my other hours doing program support and you'll see youth services sixty percent of two hundred eighty hours it's because again she does bring support and you see that show up in another line they run decrease and that's because we had a regional conference that was in burlington this last year and that regional conference is going to be in rhode island next year we're only going to be expecting one or maybe two staff people to attend not all of our staff so that line has gone down parking me mileage though however is going up because that conference is all the way out in rhode island so it's a little bit longer for travel fees the book lying item you'll see is that approximately ten percent increase and a little bit more for materials in the digital formats that i was speaking of translates into less than three thousand dollars increase the bookmobile line you'll notice is down a little bit and that's mostly because we're finding as we're getting accustomed to the new bookmobile that we're not using as much fuel as we had first estimated we were guessing based on our number of miles that we knew that we covered in the route with estimates based on the engine type that we had and we're finding dope it is it's also being used year round now because we're doing visits to the daycare's we visit for the largest daycares all your during the school year august and so they are getting a visits once a week plus our two visits to the senior communities so it's now being you're used year round the bookmobile goes out that it's a total of six times a month during the school year and then during the the summer months of mid june through to the end of august it's going out evenings a month visiting multiple funding that line we've seen increase historically decrease in historically because e mails are decreasing our cost of our mailing our telephone cost postage this is the line i fiscal year seventeen it was just under eight hundred but we're requesting three thousand and that's because we expect to see a grants and so we're going to end up bearing the full costs of the kauri or service and the postage and the courier services for the courier services for interlibrary loan books it's only for service yeah only for books but only for libraries that are in populated enough carriers that the courier service delivery still we're still using postage mail regular snail mail federal postage for the more rural libraries and for colleges and school libraries who are not part of the courier system that also the snail mail costs also cover things like overdue notices advertisements that we send to other libraries to increase our program attendance things like  the time staff in the town building so that full time staff can't also couldn't also take care of the library i assume this is still contracted it is contracted with the plan i've jennifer can help me  stumble on this the plan as i understand it is that the full time staff would take care of the count all the time all and aches and the police station but would not do the library the police station is an addition because currently they do hire an outside service for the police station but there are enough needs within the complex here that would take the time for over full time person to handle based on what we saw in the last two weeks but we base this off of the three year average of the number of units that we use for heating fuel and that has been going down ever since we had our insulation project a few years ago and luckily we don't get quite as many cold cold nights as we've been seeing electric water and waste water is covered under utilities  is a little bit of a decrease and just about five hundred dollars of a decrease again our electric uses been going down we've been trying to keep as many efficienc possible i'm actually looking into a rebate right now for switching over to l e d lights in the library need to happen over the course of several years but we're doing everything we can to reduce electric rates building maintenance this is little bit of a decrease just because we didn't have any particular issue that we needed to address in this year have been having ongoing problems of writing clapboards interim that needs to get changed out on a regular basis they go through every spring and we do an inspection and get the worst areas taken care of this takes care of things like the gardens and fire alarms and extinguishers paint land rental from the schools level funded property and casual insurance is based on estimates from jennifer this is where you're going to see the breakout terry of the other staff wages so we've got special programs listed here this is for all of the people who do things that are on public programs for the library includes our adult services and our youth services this is based on an estimate of how much time each person spends in the total comes out something like nine point two that we've got a full time another full time person and like to add that we if you take the volunteer work that is about another one person or many actually more than that now it's we have an average of seventy volunteer hours a week so it's more like one and a half full time equivalent of volunteers year this is another breakout of the staff under i t wages this is fifty percent of a full time person who handles our interlibrary loan services and does all of our computer maintenance then benefits for that person and then we have our sort of catch all computer systems equipment service contracts etc tiny bit of a fifteen dollars decrease there there is included in this line four thousand eight hundred dollars that we've been including for the last several years for space changes that we've been making at the library we have completed the adult computer room we've completed the team room we've completed the book room and we are currently working on the adult reading room we're just beginning that room that room will probably take two to three years because of the way that we've been breaking out into small incremental bits to try to keep the budget as level as possible and then after we finish that room we have one more room we'll go back to the youth reading room and finish up a little bit of work in there this also includes websites services computer equipment copier contracts support for our library system that includes our dried questions on the operating budget the we've been doing an annual savings sort of a savings account of seven thousand five hundred dollars towards replacement of the bookmobile when the current one is twelve years old we're expecting the cost of replacement to be around one thousand dollars so we're making incremental savings each year and then other item is library shelving this is part that shelving that we have right now is is working for us but as the collection grows it's hard to get filled and we're looking at replacing it with pull out shelving that is more easily accessible especially handicapped accessible shelving we've got now is rather tall and for somebody who's in the seated position can only reach the lower third of it it will take up less floor space and give us a better line of sight into the reading room and view of the lawn through the picture windows beyond and in that smaller floor space it will also increase the capacity by about fifty percent and so much more efficient use of the space so this is all part of our plan to try to stay in the existing space as long as we can and make it as efficient as possible the shelving is easily and can be transferred into any space in the future cost based on what we had for estimates from two different customer companies estimating a small increase for inflation would be about twenty thousand dollars this is not you're not what year is the bookmobile slated to be replaced and let's see i want to say it's in its third year so that would be nine years from now th these are done we have a public hearing schedule it at eight o'clock and if looking through at that time drug people here that want to take part in the public hearing on the budget we will recess are so tonight we're introducing our petition to you a resolution regarding renewable energy on a state and local level for consideration to be included as an article for this year's town meeting our hope is that we will see vermont democracy in action that the need for renewable energy plans will be discussed and voted on on the floor at our town meeting tonight we want to tell you how th developed why we should care about it and the gist of what it says so how it came about i'm a member of three fifty or this is a worldwide nonprofit and if you guys have heard of the probably it started in two thousand and seven by middlebury college students and their professor bill mckibben to address the problem of climate change the idea for this renewable energy resolution to put this issue on town meeting tables throughout from on was presented at last year's three fifty vermont annual meeting which brian and i attended bryan and i brought this resolution idea back to willesden and with the help of engineer melinda patter wrote the wording in my kitchen why it's appropriate for a town meeting taking steps to reduce greenhouse gas emissions thereby striving to maintain our planet's delicate balance is our most pressing responsibility changes in our climate polar ice caps oceans habitats are happening faster than predicted the three fifty three fifty dot org stands for three hundred fifty parts per million of c o two in the atmosphere this is the upper limit needed to stay within to avoid catastrophic consequences for the past million years the levels been between one hundred seventy two and three hundred parts per million first rising above three hundred in one nine hundred twelve the dems are now fluctuates around four hundred and seven i'm pretty sure i'm not telling you anything you don't already know boils down to common sense something's broken you said about fixing it if you need if you get new information that something's harmful and make adjustments to lessen that harm figuring out how to get energy from sources which don't add warmth to the atmosphere and how to use less energy makes sense here in willesden you guys already have done things along those lines installing solar panels and buttoning up public buildings which is awesome as we see it the issue is not if it will change over to renewables it's when the issue is will it be in time to make a difference stepping back and looking at the big picture is a hard sell when people are trying to make ends meet and are busy with daily demands hard to say no wait a minute hang on things are really scary and bad you need to put down your groceries and listen to why you should be worried maybe global warming doesn't seem like a problem when it's so cold also climate change is seen by some as a partisan issue so there are big roadblocks standing in the way on that score and yet this is an issue that has fallen to us the citizenry of our cities and towns to lead the way ninety percent renewables by tw our vermont comprehensive energy plan target only thirty two years away we can't leave it for our grandchildren to deal with in the last ten years and the more greenhouse gases that go up into the atmosphere the harder it will be to remediate this problem job number one in reversing climate change is talking to our neighbors about it telling our legislature as a town that the time melinda also wanted to say  the upcoming ballot the first one the transition to renewable energy is inevitable other man has a comprehensive energy goal and commitment andermatt has a comprehensive energy goal addressing this transition that many people in our state and our town encourages education about the issue and helps bring people along rather than leaving them behind when the inevitable need to change becomes more imperative second reason other towns and cities are very active keeping in front of the transition they are taking action regardless of our current national urge state leadership being on the forefront of the transition to renewable resources makes sense economically environmentally and for the community and these communities care about economics the environment and the residents madison wisconsin has engaged a large consulting company on this and achieve net zero carbon emissions by detailing how the community can implement energy efficiency renewable energy and efficient transportation hartford connecticut has utilized guidance from a law school to develop a model zoning code which helps advance renewable energy generation energy efficiency and protection for the environment medicine and hartford are being thoughtful and deliberate and moving forward they do not want to be left behind when the momentum shifts full speed to the future and i personally i want our town to be more like madison and her occurred here in allowing this resolution on the ballot as another step which were allowing us with the sort of their side of the types of towns and the third reason is this how this as a person i'm on this holiday season i have been delighted to have my one year old montana granddaughter visit us in mine and if she is fortunate with their health and a bit of luck she will live to ring in the twenty second century that's kind of awesome now if i will be there but my legacy well and our legacy will be people because we ignored the facts because we were too complacent to act and plant back in twenty team so when i write this kind of person here so when the twenty second century comes i hope my granddaughter knows that her grandmother got about the situation and that i took action in my life to work and in my work to provide energy in a clean environment for the future and that one of those actions was enough to get her town to do as much as it could including putting this resolution on the ballot thank you just a note from the field i've been knocking on doors and talking to my neighbors about signing this petition and from the fifty and given it's not a voter controlled item i guess we'll hear from eric on this what what it means for us legally from a legal perspective but your intent is to inform  for the terms commitment to drive towards the goals of the state has put in place right and also to tell not kill here to get real and serious about the work i'm a little bit confused and so my question is what is your interest in having a discussion during the town meeting portion the actual town meeting portion of our town actual town meeting day where you check you know yes or no or both you know i think it's both i think it's yeah it's i mean i i as you know i approach at like how does this work so i think it's sort of like i'm not sure i think we want we want to raise awareness and have conversations but we also would like you know just raising it from the floor and not having it on the ballot will i think minimize exposure because more people you know right to take out t voting i mean well the advantage of that particular venue is that you have a discussion you know an active discussion amongst the attendees and then you vote on it so we could have a discussion without that even if we got the signatures the board could decide that it's not appropriate so why not then that you could also decide it's appropriate and not need the signature you know i mean since you erick mentioned that the board even if let's say you didn't even talk about a petition to begin with but the select board wanted to pursue this as a discussion they could take that action on their own without any petition at all and i want to be clear about this piece i'm sorry if i ask the question if you were to get the five percent five percent plus one of voters to sign the petition we could then still refuse to put it on the ballot this like board could  it's not something that the voters i had i can understand sort of the rationale i just want to make sure it was it was clear out there having said that in the past practice is important here too because of that the  decision not to include it was challenged the court might look to past practice and i believe there's a case in south burlington where they had refused to place an item on their morning for a meeting and the c upheld it because their past practice had been never to allow these things so they are very consistent will still be in general has actually been consistent in allowing this kind of thing so hard and which i would kind of agree with it's not the main issue you know but it's almost like the chicken and the egg like you know that's what's the you know if if people are really interested in talking about this subject we would hope they'd come out of town meeting day and be you know i'd be more apt without signatures to say let's put it up for discussion it meeting day and if we want to do a vote correct it would be something that would be a statement from the town saying the people of willesden who showed up for two meeting do you know voted for or against this resolution so it's a two edged sword right because  folks advocating for the petition to be for the petition i e the article or beyond on the ballot on the warning what is wilson's history when there hasn't been the five percent  article without the five percent of voters have a recall if that ever happened and that isn't to say they didn't but i just don't recall we did go back through and look at the history with over the past number of years as best we could and you recall last year when that happened the motion was made in the moderator who had a city here right said it was not in order to have that discussed and that was challenged challenged question but if it's an issue that is put on the agenda for terror meeting discussed a town meeting or a bit of town meeting the advantage of doing having it done that way versus brought up at the floor is first or you're not guaranteed to be addressed because the the the people attends may just say no we don't want to address this but it also gives advance notice to people attending the meeting that that's going to be discussed depending on the issue sometimes letters are sent to the governor or there are some are state or u s senators or representatives it depends on the issue but there is usually some follow up to a vote like that or saying we don't want to waive it that we made that decision i don't think we made that decision in the not sure with what do we want to make the decisions right since we have one member missing this well we'll have another question and that the reason for us coming here is i don't think we'll have a problem getting the signatures we might get hold of don't think it will be a problem but if you were to say if you were to decide it's really not appropriate then we would have you know i mean we still would have had conversations with our neighbors which it's all good but we wouldn't have gone to that effort if we know from the get go now this is not a great idea and so that's kind of why we wanted to be here sooner or later you actually like to hear the discussion that i don't actually like to hear from petition you know should donald duck be the state bird you know yes then i would probably say no you know he got five percent of the voters in a very legitimate and you know well thought out so i think advertising it makes sense and where they think of the five percent or not i'd like to hear so myself but again it's so i just want to add something that it's since it's nonbinding it's kind of like doing the vote telling the president he records it's it's a message that says what our position is and how we feel but i would think that i mean there is some binding aspect of this if the voters vote for this i have got you know the town and w doesn't need to understand if it was is this a binding in any way but ok that's what i thought oh well it's literally binding you know to the people that are on the board at the media time but we're going to change  he said that if it got to the point where it was on the ballot the town could take it and fix the time or you know i think i think that  i don't know about the legality but i think it could be condensed i personally think to fit if that's how we wanted to go because idea ok i mean i think that you know when we sat down and worked this out we wanted to put the issue on the table but we didn't want to  know put too fine a point on it that we would get caught up in you know you can't you know something that would  new infrastructure bill you know very very apathetic and i think that the wording here is is for williston i think from where we're at and we want to start that we want to kind of start the conversation but i think it also informs a town about how passionate the citizens of wills are about this issue that and that gives those working towards these goals in  whole number of procedural reasons and everything else that i would agree that we would put this on the ballot whether or not we got to five percent or not for the town meeting night discussion not just certainly for the for  fine and i'm happy to support that but i'm also happy to support if your preference is that it actually be on the australian ballot that we vote on you know on the next day after the actual meeting if that your preference and if you get five percent of the voters them my feeling is my job is to put it on the ballot or dat you know that they have and this week and if we don't forget race and if we don't   it sounds like it's a possibility at tonight but the select board could agree if they have enough votes to put it to warn it for the around trying to keep me honest i think touch up so in the fall i wrote a letter to require asking if the town would contribute twenty five thousand dollars to the cost of the the wilson federated church steeple it's the big white one down the street in and the reason for the request of the town is that as people may know or may not know  the clock in the top of the steeple itself is owned by the town and in fact the town pays someone to wind that clock it's a mechanical clock and if you look at the and i was thinking about this why did the town fathers back in one thousand nine hundred put it in our church and the first reason obviously there's a picture in the second page it's even see it from all the way i recall everywhere at the top of the at the top of the steeple but it's a mechanical clock which means that it runs by falls it has a six foot tall three foot by three foot pile of a box of rocks that goes from the top of the window on the be the reason that it is that there are several parts of the people that are used above the window is where the room is where the bicycle is and where various chains and pulleys are above it above that about where it says eyebrow roof is a room where the mechanism for the clock is actually how it's and the reason that we need to repair the steeple is that the the outside frame of rot we did it about twenty years ago we did the many people remember it actually came down it was off the steeple for about a year off the church for about a year and when they did that they were doing the structural part of it they doing structural innovations and those were quite successful unfortunately they were in a not unreasonable preserve as much of the old as you can but the old is really worn out and so it very quickly deteriorated and although we've done a number of pairs over the years since it is really it's coming apart at the seams in the last windstorm we had big chunks of stuff coming off the top and we talked to a number of steeplejack so we're going to use j southgate from b y he proposes to replace the whole thing the internal structure will be the same but we would like to be in and this is not before you this will be before the historic preservation and the d r b but we want to use some alternative materials particularly copper will be painted white so that we don't have to come back here every twenty years trying to fix it so that's what we're doing and we're asking for the town to make a contribution towards  it in effect we're rebuilding the the area where the clock mechanism is the j has opposable to make a if you go up there it's really tucked in it's hard to get into he's talking about making that room bigger and more accessible for people to work on it  but i should tell you about it if you're interested and you have more interest in this is at our website people dot org we have video grown videos of flying around it we have an interview with j southgate about the work he's going to  everything's said right here so we can do a really good job as opposed from dangling from some post and share at the top of the steeple he was up there last friday and he suggested that he wasn't happy doing that in the winter time  so we're optimistic the total cost of the project is two hundred forty thousand dollars we hope to raise one hundred thousand dollars from individual contributions of about twenty five pushing thirty thousand and already a significant portion that is from our church members we have another portion which is fifty thousand dollars which is cash we had on hand he works out of pasture for a while and so we had some savings there and so we set that aside to put towards the s e were hoping to get some grants outside of the town were working on that and they were if we don't get it we're going to have to finance something that for a church that can be difficult it's you contributed twenty and it seems it seems like a it seems like an appropriate amount i don't know other people may have a different idea but it was it was on the found budget yeah the town did pay the money i wasn't here for people to have part of it but i do remember it being off the church for about a year and then i remember when it was put back on and i do know that justify the time expense for that and the twenty five thousand is included in the manager's proposed  budget that any question is and given it's a town clock housed in a church i guess this subject is already broach to to a degree but it's that question of separation of church and state and if that has a role in this this being this issue of should the town participate in funding reconstruction the steeple well i can't give you a legal it may have a legal background but i'm not sure that i'm right person there for a legal opinion about that my own sense is that if it is not it's not it's supporting a historic it's historic project is what it's really doing this is this is something that was been there for over a hundred years it's iconic for willis and one of the things  interesting for me is that we have a an online presence where people can make contributions and when they do they can make notes in the notes are really kind of moving people talk about you know i drive by the church and i'm glad of the church as being part of the community so for example we contribute to the community of variety of ways i mean the park is how many people know that the parking lot at that end of the of the bike path is owned by the church and it's used by c c t a with our permission as a commuter parking lot that school in bristol he uses it to pick up and drop off their kids on a bus from every day  so there's there's in and it's not i mean this is something that people the members of the community do and so but going back i do think it's  primarily it's the historic nature of that clock the tradition of it being there the town owns it you know he you have an obligation to preserve it we're not asking you to pay for the whole we're asking you to pay a small portion of it so that would be my maybe my question was poorly worded in the sense that i hope i didn't express in orders of asians here it's more i just want to make sure we're not going to get down the road and find there is some this churches i get all that i dislike that when i don't think anybody can guarantee that someone will raise the question and i think being fairly direct trying to be fairly direct about the answer that it's a historic thing and it's primarily based on that i'm so i'm just going to take it say if it was to do something like to fix the clock i would kind of get it but it's it's it will fix the structure holding the clock well right but it's so it the clock doesn't exist without a structure to hold it ye just see it and that's it let's hope we don't we've got to church out of it then we would still have the periodic expense to maintain the structure to hold that cork that's the kind of the way i view it and i get i get all these arguments i'm just want to make so there was an article a legal article in the league of cities and towns bulletin about to undergo that talked about the separation of church and state and what top town could fund for a structure like this in the my recollection of it is so if it has no bearing on the religious part of of it then it's ok for a town to fund something why wouldn't we do why would we do that i've seen other small things you know you vote for certain items that about why wouldn't we do that in this case we're going to come up against this issue very soon about what part of the budget would we contemplate pulling out and having as a separate and you know my for my feeling about your setting let's just say we get a reply back that absolutely no issue church and state were good to go from that same point my feeling would be would be about that is  it's i don't even know how to correctly how to explain it but it's we start separating everything out you lose the sense of you know it's the town budget it's almost a line by line item and and i don't think that's i don't think that's our role as this like board is to decide what should go into the budget that the voters vote on and i at once we start pulling items out whether it be you know  money towards that this project money towards preserving land money towards i don't know what else we do we lose that sense of you're voting on a budget now you're voting on a bunch of line items and to me it's a you if you don't mind let me ask you a question that terry just think with this why would we want to put the clock winders is a salary we pay they can type it as a separate line i separate thing for the voters to vote on and i would think we probably wouldn't because that's a town function and i you know the i'm not saying funding this is a town fund i mean it's not the same as a cop wanted but it's along the same lines of you know when you start pulling these items out you've lost the sense of for our presenters thank you very much but her mind if you want to see the drum video people dot org forcing the interview help develop programs for the seniors that person was just very recently hired and so those programs have been created yet so we're going through a process of working with that person see these programs and that was the intent of the money that's in the budget and that's what we're doing as far as next fiscal year our plan is to continue that an expanded and we'll have a full year of that person's experience and that will be a gauge as to how much interest there really is for the various programs that we're trying to provide and until we have a sense of that it's way premature to talk about a billing a i'm not one hundred percent certain but i believe it's about the same the difference is we were not able to hire the person we had some staff issues and we had a recreation director who was out for extended time period and he was not able to get the position in place sooner than we would have liked so we're about halfway through the fiscal year that we're just now getting this person to board next fiscal year we'll have this person aboard for the full fiscal year and we should see the full impact of having that person available for developing senior programs the under news briefs there is an item called learn about the town budget and you click on that and there's a whole bunch of information about worth mission you're probably want to know about tell but it's ok but is it  individual in charge of cap terry at the school and they're very willing to make meals for us we had hoped to start with one meal a week and the federa these deals so there would be a charge is there an opportunity to speak with this person about other activities and what people might be interested absolutely this is the the new person we have is very interested in talking as many operating budget time to think what they are because a regular expenses are you things like they're recording secretary trees like that discretionary fund i believe this year we use some of the discretionary fund for been a change this year of the manager staff salary so the only person that's included in this for this year is eric so it's just assistant to the town manager that admin assistant position has been moved solely into finance so if you look at those items and look at those together they equal out it looks like finances gone way up in the town manager's gone way down as far  with training and conference fees for the town manager's office has increased because we now have two people that will be sending conferences in that department building maintenance has increased to be more in line with the actual that we experienced in three years seventeen and discretionary wages that's where we budget for longevity pay as well as merit increases for all time employees are in this town and your budget and that's the request that i brought to you a little over a month ago where i asked to allocate that out to the different departments at budget time it's right here i'm in finance as i said before it's the finance director and bookkeeper salary and benefits and audit fees those are what we will actually experience based on our contract  board of list listers we're not seeing too much for increases they're basically the same services being provided tax match you'll notice in the two years of actuals that are shown here we ha activity that is now being done this year by a state grant so we won't see any activity in fiscal year eighteen either even though there is a budget for that in fiscal year nineteen it will be the town's responsibility to make any changes in updates to those so we are requesting to keep those funds there even though we haven't used them in the past years technology we are asking for a bit of an increase here from last year's actual and also the improved budget approved budget for fiscal year eighteen part of that is that we have moved to a monthly cloud backup so our backups for the town used to be a manual tape that system that they have one of the things that you will probably see in the twenty twenty budget is that i am looking into what it would cost the town to move to a managed service right now we use  reactive support as the only way i can describe it is if we have a problem we call tech group and they deal with that i would like the town to move to a more proactive approach where they're actually looking at our system and making changes so that we're ahead of what could happen in the future and that is not in here at this time but i'm hoping to put together an r f p for that service too so that next year at this time will know what something like that would cost us and what services we could get  legal expenses we are looking to just level fund that we haven't hit that the past few years but we never know and th or salary split between general ministration and the other departments i guess that is the same with a finance salary and bookkeeper salary so our salaries are seventy six percent of our salaries are in our home departments and the twenty four percent is split amongst the different utilities and actually a rationale for that that's it's not a  it's not possible to actually measure the amount of time we spend it needs water sewer storm water so what we do is we it's based on a percentage of the total expenses we take the total expense for utilities and that's the utilities amount to about twenty for four percent of the total expense and that's the bided three ways right now so that's how  most quite a few minutes parties use them i believe that's how we started our relationship with them and our experience with them has been a great idea nice job but like i say we pay for ours upfront for the cost they're probably using another cloud they're probably  but just one or maybe one person in the total increase is about twenty greek the next section i wanted to go over tonight is outside services so that's a couple times forward  and county tax from our league of cities and towns all of these they send us a request each year saying how much our fees are going up to be part of their organizations the largest increase here  taxes but it but they did it by way of a grant to the masons that agreement by the way is expiring the end of this school year so i don't know what the plans are to change that i haven't heard from them so many people at this that ask about the v l c t and what is the fee based on what do we get you know we we get some opinions and from the but is that what that it is that eleven thousand dollars pay for insurance ok that really has very little to do with insurance collection of delinquent taxes for example there's a guy that they had developed on the select board advertisement for the me i saw the training advertisement for the recently maybe in the last few months earth they also if we have just a general question well what are towns doing to handle this kind of issue that's a resource for us if we have legal questions they have an attorney that can go in a lot of detail but they can go a little bit of detail and may provide a quick answer the fact we did use them home for the question we had on the petition i break i saw that in the is well worth reading i read it every ok i mean you know the fee i get frustrated with is the county tax fee we don't really have any say over on how it's spent twenty two thousand and the it's a portion based on grand list now you only and i've been arguing for a number of years against using that part of the formula with ski valley park district just frustrating the way that the fees are structured and probably don't get our money on th two the next section is social service organizations and so the social service committee will be meeting next week to decide how to allocate this money up to the different organizations we've received i want to say about eighteen different nonprofit requests i'm for this year and we will meet side had it allocate that money the select board allows us to use that much of the money here is allocated for us to decide distributing the social service committee meets and makes a recommendation for the select board based so we review all of the applications that were submitted from the different nonprofit usage so this is a rate those numbers came as a request from green mountain transit in our health section here where level funding most of that we never realized that was the lens that's right your culture isn't mass transit yet we are a member of that is that correct evening but the main service route i think is there's a stop in walmart when they go up and down r actually these are excellent questions and just so happens january sixteenth we are going to have a representative from green mountain transit here and you can ask all those kinds of questions so the first section here is capital projects and so those requests for capital projects from the operating budget capital equipment from operating budget and capital equipment host town funded those are all tie in with the main capital requests that the detail that you'll see in other capital buck debt service those are just all of the debt that the town has and these are required payments for the upcoming year the one that is estimated is the ambulance lease that one is estimated at thirty eight thousand we don't have a lease in place just yet for that and so that's why you see it all in principle it will be allocated out appropriately based on our estimates that is are based on the information that we've received that is a good estimate the new fire engine that we'll be getting at the i believe it's in may we just turned in the bond application for that what we're requesting to do with that fire engine is pay interest only for the first three years  that we can then match it up with when the other fire truck falls offered a schedule and then we're just keeping our debt level during that time and the way that we  borrow as much because we used a portion of the public works facility overage that we had there from debt we had already borrowed we applied toward the firetruck so we didn't have as much that we needed to borrow so we were able to your record is correct and the next is under open space so you'll see here the environmental reserve fund that has a larger request then we usually see there first of all is the sixty thousand of that two hundred sixty thousand is to bring the environmental reserve up to four hundred thousand which is our commitment for the catamount property at this point that four hundred thousand is what the town is committed to do so we would need the sixty thousand to get the environmental hazard fund up to that level the additional two hundred thousand is for a grant that the housing trust is hoping to get but they can't apply for it until next fiscal year so at this point we think that it should be in the town budget to cover that if they do need it or they will need it actually be prior to the grant becoming available that's working my understanding is they're hoping the close of this before the end of this fiscal year before june thirtieth and this grant is not available until after joy for sed and i don't know what the process is for applying for it they seem to be very optimistic that they're going to be successful in getting it i'm not quite as optimistic but i think we have to if we're going to move forward with this approach is we have to figure out a way to in the vent that that grant is not available that we have the cash available to complete the purchase what will be remaining in the environmental reserve fund if we have to pay this a total of six hundred thousand plus i have to choose to pay six hundred thousand for the purchase of the town for about three thousand dollars general fund you know what i'm saying is the two hundred thousand dollars we would pull that from the general fund that we have right we would be raising taxes as a result of that because we have money in the general fund dollars and our next section that we're going to talk about is revenue now and if you look at the revenue section we are requesting to pull money from reserves around two hundred sixty thousand dollars going into the half by requesting sixty thousand dollars to be raised from taxes two hundred thousand dollars to come from the from reserves exactly the sequence but we took one hundred ten thousand and add it to to the written rumors are fun and that's money that we had actually i believe it came out of five dollars but as money vick went in to find balance because we had sold some is not in this proposed budget so if the board wants to consider purchasing those it would have to add it as a ballot item to be voted on by the top or or it may be you could do it yourself you could add in this budget but  that's another option as well the report from the company it was it last week or the week before is seed money to start that if it's like partners and of course you'll find it on the list of possible reductions as well so if the board doesn't want to proceed with this expenditure of the inside of their feet  so that three hundred forty is that the detail of it is here in the capital budget but it is not part of what is part of our line and here so it if you look on page eight of the capital budget where has a solar electric that is going to be a separate line item it's what it's like if we were purchasing a new fire truck we would show that we want to spend the money for the fire truck but it would require a town boat to actually buy the generally if and if it's something the vols borrowing it's going to involve the super bowl this does not necessarily involve boring if the board wanted to can certainly include this in the budget as i said a few moments ago  it just felt like an item that was distinct enough to include a separate item but there's no magic to it the board has taken very large items in the past and just plop them into the  so that's certainly a possibility for this but staff just felt more comfortable having this is a separate item it was large enough that it made sense to do it as the three hundred forty thousand part of your budget  and you know in those capital items that we just discussed the solar panels were not included in that in the capital projects from the operating budget you'll see it's only one hundred eighty four thousand and capital equipment from the operating budget is only one hundred thirty one hundred thirty where it just makes sense to instead of continuing to read or something to replace it and that's where we can budget for those items for all of the buildings at once we still want our department heads making sure that they're budgeting appropriately for things that are was going to touch and revenue just briefly right now the budget that has been proposed as a tax increase taking our tax rate from point two six five  the breakdown so if it's two point eight six is that two million five hundred thousand is sales tax revenue and three hundred sixty thousand is rooms and ye tonight we will be covering the number of different sections i include in buildings and grounds highways storm water sewer and water the last three storm water sewer and water were added or given to you tonight for your review the legislative breakfast a scheduled for monday january twenty ninth will be asking interest for those who are planning on attending and also be looking for one board member to serve the moderator and it probably won't be terry because he's sort of the dual role of a state legislator so when the remaining four members will be looking for keeping of chickens or dents and we have arranged for an expert to come in from the vermont public health she's a veterinarian my guess and so if it would help she's asked if the board has any questions in advance please let staff know we can pass those on to her and finally we act to fifty permit was recently to fifty permit is kind of the formal legal step that we have to had to get and it was approved so there are other requirements that we have to do in putting in the trails the staff is already working on getting those done so we've made a lot of progress on that and that's all i want to highlight i have obviously written report on that exceeds what i gave verbal iot of the board has any questions on either i'll be happy to answer