its money laundering policies and when that didn't work did it in the words of u s official quote use the hammer on quote making an example of b p a issuing a notice in a notice of propose effectively a death sentence for an international bank it isn't also encourage all financial institutions and foreign regulators to act in accordance with its notices overnight still have a license to do business or not that would be a showing of the sort that you could make but i don't see it is it will you the notice is gone there's no possibility that this goes  to argue and i think it's worth considering that there is continuing effect in the end or if it began even before with the withdrawal and during his tongue the beginning of the united states government and every point when we into or sold a six hundred euro six hundred million euro bank for seven million euros that is a highly conditional sale that could be unwound and we don't think that is rank speculation we think in tourism in every point we can do concerned i would bring to the court's attention to the toilet seat case where there was a known carcinogen on the list and it was found that national and international regulators would take that very seriously even if it wasn't bind state says we're really clear that endora addressed our concerns by taking these the time that this one top so on that on the basis of this read heard there were still significant assets inside and outside involved i cannot start but that is something that we could supplement we have the difficulty of way to seek supplemental filing i need to be clear on one thing i don't have a good analogy but the argument is it's our government shot your client you filed suit saying take the gun off the market and give us really so the government took the gun off the market but you still got this injury and you say that were the district court to issue some type of declaratory order then a foreign government would react in such a way that could benefit your client and so the question is is that such a speculative chain of events that the bum press releases from the amaranth in the record deal with the good bank bad bank and at the time that there were issues there was still significant assets outside so there is some record evidence things have moved on coming back to your get home on standing saussure disability now you have to say that you still have standing slash or disability if you would have filed a lawsuit after the notices were withdrawn and you said i know the notices of with have been withdrawn but one i want to declarator judgment of the notices should have never issued in the first place because if those notices are declared to have been on lawful when they were issued i can still get some relief because if the court says that the new door is going to do some things with respect to some determining and coercing the action of another so we would go to court we would say sorry you haven't completely eradicated the facts and we are entitled to technician in this case  can do what we can do is we can issue these notices and i'm not sure they're good but i know what's going to happen if we issue that if we issue the dorm government is going to take actions that are going to get rid of this bank and then we can withdraw them and will never have to face any liability because that's all going to happen quickly and the case will go away because of it as if that were to be the case when you take the position that a court would be powerless to do it i think there would still have to  some reason i think that there would be a substantial likelihood that a declaration would cost or an agreement so wouldn't matter in the dream of the worst actual scenario possible just in terms of appearances the result would still be the same there's there's  in the bank still no standing that what you're describing your honor sounds like a closer case than this one if there were some affirmative statement from and or  that's what i'm trying to get a hold but even assuming that they were right that someone in andorra i mean taking their allegation is true the fact that someone in andorra told them we're not going to challenge the notices doesn't  mean that they had standing at the time they filed suit or even now two years down the road that they i mean that could mean that someone from her office saying we're not going to challenge the notices because we've started our own investigation to clarify the facts i think interest said it wanted to do too speculative your honor and andorra has not only made some kind of commitment and her has already sold the assets that it found were not tainted by criminal money laundering to a third party and if and or a trying time when that transaction presumably there would to the record i think the statement that is wholly speculative as to what we do or do is not supported in the record if you look at our complaint at j twenty mon our clients were told this ng would not understand while we normally allow people to participate in our restructuring process put yourself in vincent shoes we will not allow you to be in those discussions if we take a look  way it normally works like a normal regulator instead of a small small country with a small bank then it is being hit in the head with a hammer generally when you stop young people who lead with a hammer once their head c