good morning everybody i know we still have a few more people trickling in but we're going to go ahead and get started because today's meeting is going to be exceptional and we want to give you enough time to hear everything the panelists have to say so for those of you that i have not n this is one of my favorite things to do it is a great way to network with people in the community how many new people do we have here today anybody and a couple who are too shy to welcome we hope that you continue to come back we were we want to take time to think our sponsors this morning for our sponsorship of our precocity time so to all of time thank you so much and also to our early bird sponsor latin americans united for progress and i just want to say quick things to here to everyone here at hayworth because isn't the breakfast alicia always great right so thank you so much all of you back there working really hard for us this morning we'd like to invite good morning when it's the us my name is lena del rio i am the director of latin americans united for progress many of you may have been to a few of our events one of our largest of course is fiesta i like to look at it as sort of that kickoff time and so that'll be happening in a few short weeks and we're very excited to have many of you guys fair come enjoy some food and fun during that season i want to talk to you a little bit about lope and what we stand for we work with a lot of people within our community maybe under served or the underprivileged i'm going to focus a little bit on a group a group is our leadership group for youth and it is been in around since about two thousand and eight i'm very proud to say that my son went through the program and will be graduating in a few short weeks here from the university of michigan and i attribute much of his success to the things that he learned while he was a part of this  program i don't want has currently over thirty members from five different high schools in the area and i want to talk about this group because recently probably in the fall i was at a meeting around table meeting in the grand rapids area and the director of an agency very similar to ours in the camp county area was we got i was talking regarding their youth leadership group for under served youth and i was really impressed with the numbers in this is districts he was able to provide us their high school graduation rate was eighty eighty seven percent or in the high eighty's there post secondary acceptance rate was around the saying and i really wanted to get our group to that i thought wow what are they doing that we could duplicate that we could learn from so that we can bring that here to bill a short and to holland but most importantly where are we right now so we know we can kind of gauge what we need to do and how much work we need to invest into this and so i went back to the office and i started pulling numbers because i've been a part of the group in and i'm familiar with it for quite some time and two numbers kept jumping off at me and i i just felt like something wasn't right but hotta who was the previous director of low his office happens to be right mine i saw i scurry up the stairs to talk to him because i was i wasn't sure what i was seeing was real and we started going through names of students past and present trying to figure out if what what we were coming up with was accurate and those two numbers are pretty astonishing a number number one was we have a one hundred percent high school completion rate for any student that has been a part of the a group and i was impressed with eighty seven that second number that i kept saying was that we have a one hundred percent post secondary acceptance rate as well for any student that has been a part of that adeline big group so i was really impressed with what they were doing over in camp county we had no idea what we were sitting on over here as the director of this program and of the organization i quickly realized that one we need to start marketing math you need to let people know what we're doing in the work that we're investing in it the program is ran by leaders from the community some of you guys here and ladies here have participated with the students so there's virtually no cost as far as instruction the risk costs of course for the students who take them on various trips we to give we give them opportunities that they themselves probably wouldn't be able to have within their own means or within their own households and so i come to you guys this morning to let you know that this organization is here in holland we're always looking for people who would like to connect with the youth here as i mentioned we currently have students in from five different area high schools so that's really exciting hamilton west ottawa holland black river zealand east i think that's the five so i will be enjoying breakfast with you all this morning if you have any questions feel free to come on up to me and talk with me a few of my past board members and i think some of my current board members might be with us this morning and feel free that today and gauging conversation with any of them again my name is lena dell or out i'm with latin americans united for progress and i ok and you need to call me those are the kinds of stories that we love to tell over at w z z m so i know that throughout my time being involved with this i've had the pleasure of meeting so many different individuals and sharing so many different stories so those are the kinds of things that we want to share with the rest of the community so next we are going to do the door prize and the door prizes provided by our friends at ottawa can't insurance the prize is fifty three dollars and sixty six cents in west coast cash and you will have to ask them why it is that amount and i always wonder why they're certain amount so maybe i should ask you ok so here we go get your ticket out it is going to be a number seventy two for three four four seven two fo three four four now we'd like to bring jane clark present of the west coast chamber up this morning it's a busy time of the year for the chamber and we've got a lot of great ways yet this month you can get involved so i'm going to read off five activities that are coming up as soon as this week friday this week friday we have a member orientation that's held in zealand over at the howard miller library at the howard miller community center next week tuesday we have an internship training program if you're thinking about bringing along and in turn the summer and what some tips to get that program off to a good start join us next week tuesday april nineteenth then wednesday april twentieth is our annual minority business awards luncheon will be honoring two award recipients at that luncheon over at midtown center would love to see you there the next day thursday april twenty one we're co sponsoring a seminar on how to buy or sell a business so if that's appropriate for you would love to have you there and finally wednesday april twenty seventh a seminar called productive conversations again back in zealand at the howard miller center details on all of those programs and everything else going on at the chamber in the new newsletter  we publish this every single month with patrick and so take a look at that you can find all the things you need to know about the chamber on your table today our applications for west coast leadership i've done this exercise once before and i was so impressed if you're a graduate of our leadership program just quick raise your hand isn't that awesome so if you haven't gone through the program this year is your year so grab an application let us know you took one we'll follow up all your questions or just ask anyone who's at your table with you today it's a terrific program and i know you'll enjoy it applications are due may nine and finally twice a year we like to recognize that this program all of our chamber  ambassadors our public relations team their volunteers are out in the community representing us and we could not do our work without them so if you are a chamber of baster would you please stand by to recognize and thank you and if anyone is interested in being in a basket or just see a chamber staff person i will get you hooked up so thanks and have a great day all right now from one jennifer to the other jennifer jennifer owens of lake shore advantage we will like you to come up to the podium we can start on this panel so i'm going to before we get into this panel this morning it's such a pleasure to be here with you today to really be at the beginning of what could potentially be the future and the structure for our community and this potential investment p w is really not uncommon to what our community has done before in the past  risky investment something that couldn't have a national return yet this vital piece of infrastructure continues to help power our vibrant downtown and currently today is one of the largest are the largest system of its kind in the nation and receives national national recognition as you see at the foot of the downtown our new gas fire power plant is well underway and under construction and set to be complete by two thousand and seventeen and this plant was really a direct response to the tremendous growth in our business space and our industrial community to make sure that we can not only support them currently but support their future and make sure that we have the utility of the continue to keep them strong and to take today we're going to talk about another potential form of power that fuels our community internet connectivity is just as vital now as gas heating and paved roads and in fact if you ask my kids or anyone any teenager it's more vital than gas lights or heat and in fact you know those who have had a taste of high speed internet  the fast speeds that we're talking about today to come back to our community and come down to the speeds that they have experienced is in some ways a step back from that from them and we want to change that we want to move our community forward to the future and connectivity is not only vital to our residents but vital to our businesses i had a chance to meet with business leaders throughout the community and i can't believe the number of them who have business units that have individuals that are here in mexico california and they connect as one team through that internet connectivity they support customers thousands of miles away through video conferencing through on demand connections they're able to download files at lightning speed and all of those forward improvements create a more vital business community in a more vital environment so much like our innovative past and the investments that our community has made in the future today a business plan is being considered and it was publicly announced about two weeks ago the initial due diligence for the potential holland fiber plan so we are going to bring forth a panel who will answer a lot of your questions about the process the play end and the initial tasks and the impact that back then we had a dedicated to one line and everybody was thinking this is amazing this is the future with how much better it's gotten and now this this fiber connection you can see how fast you know  us move that much faster because we can move faster right now we can say we have files that we have to set you know we work with a lot of local organizations if they have the same kind of to do that we do we can go that much faster  d it benefits everybody i think it'll be one of those things where we deal with back and go wow that was a pretty huge step you know that was a pretty forward thinking that happened before a majority of the communities in the united states had it we're going to see the benefits of businesses that have come in businesses that have started we don't even know you know we can't even imagine the benefits yet i would panel they're really the experts on fiber broadband in the business plan that's being developed here today simon introduce our panel to you i've got some great questions for them and then i really want to encourage each of your interaction as while the will be time for your questions so write them down and if you have some are ready so with that i'll start to my left dave castor is the general manager of the holland board of public works thank you for being here today dave thank you and he even has holland on his socks he is that much of a fan of our community while don ruy an is the founder of collective idea a software development firm in downtown holland and has really been a broadband advocate who created holland fiber dot org and is actually currently testing the pilot plans are in place today thanks  chamber for hosting this event i think it is a tremendously exciting opportunity to be with you and share what we've been working on but also to before i talk about the business plan maybe to give some context because this isn't the first time that the has been involved in fiber optics matter of fact we've been involved with fiber optics in our community since the mid ninety's we actually used it first for our own operations we actually built a network to support you know remotely running our electric generators and to be able to perform system protection for our electric system and grew it from there actually over the years and now we have over two hundred miles of fiber actually when you consider you know the ring the main backbone of our fiber optic network plus we'll hook up actually over two hundred customers so we started with our own services but when you build a fiber network  there's often many pairs of fibers that are in a bundle and so we were able to take advantage of that and we've been serving some of our larger businesses for many years and and that's really what you know what we've been trying to do more and more as we go forward is to find a way of improving the success of our businesses in our community and fiberoptic is one of those ways that we've been able to do that the problem has been is that the deployment that we've done  had electronics associated with it that are very costly but they are what's needed to give those larger businesses the kind of service level that they really need at those particular businesses but it's not a cost effective solution for  small business or residential deployment and so a few years ago i guess probably it's been about five or six years ago now we actually looked at deploying fiber to the home at that time we studied it and we didn't really move forward on it that at that time and i think it's a good thing that we didn't it gave us a little bit more time to watch what was happening in the world becky is having too much fun over there  so the what's happened over the last few years is been that you know i think the way that we're using the internet is much different the way that we're getting you know programming whether it's cable or the way we use phones or don't use phones in our home anymore has really changed the horizon long term so it's given us a chance to study that and do that due diligence and we went back out this year to actually look at the fiber business plan again and what our consultants have recommended to us as a community is that we you know look at offering really a very high speed internet connectivity and we're talking about what's called gig service or gigabit service and that is very few communities ha kind of service level more and more are getting it and so it's important if we're going to look at doing this for how and that now is the time to do that because i think you know you're going to see other communities have that differential advantage and so you know we are interested in moving forward on it at this time the other thing that's happened over the last few years is the technology has continued to improve so we're able to actually deploy something to the home and to the small businesses that's a much more cost effective solution  than what we were doing for those larger businesses and so we're very excited about those two things so where are we you know we have the business plan developed it's a very comprehensive business plan it looked at not only in the city holland but everywhere that our electric service is is going on and actually that's not even as far as we take our fiber optic today we actually several years ago partnered with the outer area intermediate school district in that got our fiber all the way up into all of the township you know all the way towards jenison and actually into the northern part of alec and county as well so we have fiber part of that bundle that goes even further than our electric service territory but we concentrated on about twenty eight thousand and potential customers within our electric service territory the business plan identified the capital cost of that is about forty seven million dollars to do those passes which is about six hundred dollars per per customer when you look at it that way and then there's the drop to the various homes and so that is a much more cost effective solution than what we had been doing before with the larger businesses and i think really as an opportunity now to to move forward so now that we've got that that  and that business plan we're also doing a test you saw the video from the image group we're actually in two buildings downtown as a pilot program a couple of representatives that are users of that will be able to talk about their experiences but we're in the locals building in the riverview building and we have hooked up businesses all up and down those businesses of those buildings as well as a couple hot spots in bush's and in those there are hot spots that are there so the public can go and actually experience those things firsthand and so when we got that up and running there were a lot of wow you know when you look at the actual speed you know that was involved that's pretty exciting we wanted to learn from this three month trial and so we're very excited about where we where we are in the process but there's more work to do now we had the one presentation will have a lot of follow up so dave just to dive a little bit deeper so the pilots allow multiple users to share  all right so we have a cabinet that has a particular switch in it that's called that is a very cost effective way of deploying the fiber that allows that fiber to be split among a number of users  and however you would think well does that mean everybody gets something less than a gig the reality is that there's not a coincidental use of that all the time and when you look at fiber optic it's only emitted by the electronics that are there so the good news is that you know what we would be developing is really a future proof technology and you're able to actually grow the capability of the switches that we're using are are tremendously capable and probably within a year or two down the road those switches are going to be upgraded by something that's sixteen times greater and so when you look at that forty seven million dollar cost a lot of that is actually the fiber itself the glass that goes down the street so the electronics is relatively easy change out you know to make sure that you stay up with that and really you're only limited by the speed of light so yes that's what we've deployed in these businesses is a really cost effective solution that splits it among them and and so they'll  talk about their experiences in terms of what they've actually seen a performance great and before we can is that in city council you also have named this is your number one priority for twenty sixteen now you've got a couple other council members here today can you speak as to why this a council thinks this is such an important future for our community because i know enough people to make it happen this year i might one of my first council meetings was the meeting  that dave's report came out about fiber to the home todd whitman who's here in the audience was at one of her is first meetings also and it kind of got me going with what if we're not if we have this infrastructure why aren't we commercializing it and in a sense we are to a very high level but what if we could expand that and you know you get thinking about that and then i think about a year or two later google fi  started rolling out we participate in competition here grampa's it also kansas city kansas i think it's kids ended up winning and it got yes thinking well we could actually do more of this here i mean there was some troubleshooting that your team was looking through and you could make that a reality so that it really was kind of this slow boulder up a hill of trying to bring people on board to convince them all what if we c made information in the next utility and i'm a city's mayor and so i kind of look at how did cities grow and if you look at that history water was the essential element we didn't have clean safe drinking water we wouldn't have the cities we have today if we didn't have passable roads we wouldn't have the commerce the opportunity for commerce that we have today if our forefathers didn't build the channel to lake michigan we wouldn't have the co that we have today so it's those what are those little bits of infrastructure that a city can contribute to and build roads water waste water opportunity to expand into other communities that can other private businesses can build upon and so information is that next kind of frontier in infrastructure and so that's why the city can look at this and say yeah we can build something it can grow small businesses it can grow very big businesses it can have a positive effect on the education of our community and make us more competitive against other communities down the road not just in the the that essentially the taxes that we bring in from businesses but the education the talent that we develop internally and that they  talented young people or even more senior people will want to stay here and live here and grow here long term right so dan business perspective  company realize they have only on your connection you service customers all over the world can you speak to what can and that's not like this would mean from a business perspective not only for you but small businesses in general so we have to be connected all the time and we're a little more on the cutting edge we're doing video conferences all over the world we're doing we're logging into different servers across the country we need to be connected all the time that's part of our high tech business but that's such a growing sector and it's not just us it's creative companies like the image group it's anyone that's dealing with large files that wants to connect remotely we need to be able to talk to the rest of the world and if we can do that at a high level we don't need to be in san francisco we can be anywhere we can be in a place that's much nicer to live and cheaper to live and so that's why we want to we want this to be a public infrastructure and we're right downtown holland but getting fast internet is basically impossible we've been through all the private companies trying to get good speeds and they've gotten slowly better but there really isn't any anything that can get us to a gigabit at a price we can actually afford so we want that to help our business grow and help been a dream there have been no problems we can't saturate the network it's so fast and we're having a lot of fun with it too it's it's great to just never have to think about how slow your connection is my big question is when we pay for it it so dave dean's business of though i'm not i'm coming is very similar to the trend that we're seeing in banner with and uses of connected devices i was counting in my house and we have i think twelve c devices even security systems video games they're all interconnected can you speak to why the new connected kind of world we're living in helps create this business plan yeah that's a great point and there are some statistics out there with regard to all the different devices that are connected and it's estimated that by two thousand and twenty they'll be fifty billion devices actually connected to the internet so whether you have a nest smart thermostat at home or you have a you do some video monitoring of security you know in a home or you want to oh i don't know i have a smart appliance even at some point that you want to you know regulate the time of day that it actually runs i mean all these things require connectivity and and that's a growing industry associated with that i think the other thing that we saw is just you know the amount of people that are using the internet for the information that they're receiving whether it's  you know regular uses the internet or actually substituting for the cable t v providing we had some data we do survey our customers every year and we ask them questions as we're looking at developing this utility and you know just as recent as two thousand and thirteen in our community there were only seventeen percent of the residential respondents said they were streaming video at that time and that's three years ago our most recent survey that just got completed we're at eighty percent now so i mean that's an exponential growth and the amount of people that are streaming video and it's becoming something where a lot of people are disconnecting from their cable t v provider and so it's helped give us some clarity i think is associated with our approach to this this business plan a number of years ago we were looking at the triple play offering you know you heard a lot about that in that still even advertise today often by some of the incumbents where they'll offer a cable v line up phone and internet service you know in the give you some bundled price for that we think the best way to go going forward is that more and more programming is going to be on this on demand kind of programming whether it's netflix males think about this this morning netflix used to be the thing where you actually mail ordered a d v d you know would show up at your house periodically and nobody does that with netflix anymore it's all this you know streaming video associated with that and then i don't know how many of you you can hold that the wall street journal last week i think this is a pretty key announcement that twitter this year is going to have the access for the thursday night football games for the n f l this year i think that's a pretty tremendous step sports t v is one of the last things to kind of hold out and try to you know exercise their power to get very large cable t v contracts and i think they're kind of seeing you know the way the future is going as well and so it's really about this fast pipe it's about this you know high speed internet and then it enables it enables us to do a number of different things you know and it's hard to know exactly what that's going to be you know we did study some other communities offer what that can come and can do you know what what has been done in some other communities as they offer the meat to service they call it where you know if if comcast or charter or eighteen t is offering a ten megabit per second package a fifty megabit per second package that's what some of these other utilities have done and what they found is that that really gets difficult from a pricing perspective and it underutilized as undervalues the fiber connection that's there so what we're looking at doing is a is a just a gigabit service that's what it is you know and that's something that is a future proof type of thing and it's something that differentiates us you know from what our supply would be versus what the incumbents could do the other thing i think it's important to know is that you know our strength you know what we do well as a utility the b p w does infrastructure you know really well a few years ago it was about a triple play package and we're thinking about really do we want to be out negotiating cable v packages do we really have that skill set within our organization no but what we do do well as we do infrastructure very well in we make a very reliable network and we have very  that are focused on customer service and i think those are the two things that can differentiate us as well in the good news is when you're moving to just streaming things over the internet we don't have to get into that decision making about what the customers want it's really about making the highway available to them and then letting them choose you know what they want to use it for and so it's good news that the industry is going that way that we see that that is the trend but we also know that the data you know in terms of than our number of customers education and i saw time martin was here from my saddle and i'm sure many other school district representatives are here who are choosing to issue i pads and other smart devices as it's a cost saving measure as well but talk about how having more connectivity can positively impact maybe brian or dan our education system yeah the f c c actually puts out statistics and they've had a really strong initiative to connect more homes in that the fact is that the faster the internet and community in the more homes that are connected to broadband you see a higher rate of graduation is the higher education rate more students are using the devices that they're issued from their school system their school district and they're using that for education so you end up the seeing a about a seven percent increase in in high school graduation rate in a community that has broadband and even more when it has a faster broadband  to keep moving on that talent question is jane was talking today about her her son who's come back from ann arbor and is consistently frustrated that the speeds in holland are are so slow compared to what he receives in ann arbor and i remember going to college  almost twenty years ago and and just amazed i didn't have internet at my house in rockford because it was the mid ninety's my dad didn't think it was important yeah we should talk about that more but you know just being amazed at what you could have at the time dial up was kind of the thing and just while the internet is really useful for me to do work and study and write reports and that's that was where the future was and today the future is understanding new levels of content and sharing and new levels of content and part of my enthusiasm for this gets to some of the people that i've met who've moved to this community from other parts of the country we talk about dave katie who works for nvidia he designs microchips he still works for that company that's based in southern california but he does it here dan had said it earlier you know you can live in a place where you can actually live and still do the things that you that that you can you can do your work at jared fanning he moved here from san francisco he designs he's a designer and designs things for a company out of san francisco he company but he's connected to the financial markets to the chicago board of trade he might as well be on the board on the floor of the trading floor because it's that fast and there's no latency and so he has that speed that's an asset to what he's doing day to day so education builds talent and keeps people here long term and that's what we want to see and if i can build on that i think it is very important to see how many people are moving to this area and working from home i mean it isn't just these few it's lots of people in lots of industries but it's also if if you get somebody coming to a big company here that wants to work at hayward there jen text they may have a spouse that's working for remote company and they want to be able to work from home all of these things are help to band with if we think about companies starting garages that used to be needed space for that you need the garage now you need bandwidth that's about how much bandwidth can i get to my house can look and i do in in my garage now ye mean the home business is if you're a my wife is a m l s with a company and she's doing video conferences with people in hong kong and korea and colorado and florida and we did a i think we did a twenty person conference call from from our office and it it was flawless you're doing conference calls all the time i mean it's it's that connectivity that is essential today to really keep business in commerce moving here i mean we're not talking about for cave cat videos even though you could do that to me and let me jump in on the on the size of things so if people ask why do i need a gig well at home maybe you're streaming netflix right now you're getting h d quality at five megabits and so your ten meg or thirty make connection can do that once we go to four k that goes up to twenty five megabits minimum minimum and then if your kids are watching something else or your spouse is watching something else and your cloud backup is happening at the same time you need you're going to need that band with you you're going to need it very soon and that's why fiber can get us there where nothing else can right now or ever will and then for work i mean as we move more and more into the cloud everything everything is going to the cloud you don't have stuff on site anymore you're going to access those files faster reliably the more your business goes into the cloud the more you need that reliability and speed i guess kind of a technical question talk a little bit of difference between why fi connection and fiber and why you think fiber is the differentiator sure it comes down to physics because with fiber we're dealing with the speed of light and the actual fibers can pump amazing amounts of data through so we're talking about gigabit today we're talking about forty gigabits in a few years it's really an unlimited technology now wife i keep getting better right but we still need to feed that why five with something the problem with wife eye is that it gets cluttered with other devices you have other interference and really the radios just aren't good enough today we've noticed that as part of the pilot i've helped out a lot of our building and we found that existing hardware can't handle gigabit  two hundred megabit speeds so you know even even the wife is going to get better and it's always going to be getting better the speed of light is the best thing we have around so you might still have wife in your home i'm sure you will but it will be better it'll be fed from a very fat yeah at some point all why has to connect to a wire that's just a fact so you know build out your wife eye at home but the infrastructure the stuff going out to your home and out to the of the imaginary cloud that needs to be as fast as possible to satisfy the demand that's growing it one thing we can it teased a little bit was the way people work is very different now than ever before  for those of you going to a coffee shop take it take a minute just to look around and there's business being done in coffee shops people are connecting from all over the world that is many people's romel offices and that's the third place which is what a lot of coffee shops are called is really not uncommon and i know dan you encourage your workforce to work wherever it's comfortable for them so talk about how workplaces change and how this can positively impact that yeah i mean i think it's it's kind of obvious more so with tech companies like ours but more and more people are able to work from home and so they do they work from coffee shops they're working from because it's comfortable and you pay rent three dollars at a time instead of you know three hundred dollars at a time and for our business our people don't actually need to be in the office but my landlords here he wants me to keep paying rent so you know i need to create a space for them to want to come and you know if we have fiber everywhere in town then our space becomes a great meeting place the coffee shops become a great maybe get some work done space and home is a place to just always be connected and maybe relax with the internet so people are working in different ways different places different times of day and we want to be able to work wherever however and for whomever and do it as though we were in a big city or anywhere so brian big meeting today helen city council can you talk a little bit about what's going to happen tonight the budget planning process and what are the next steps for the council's engagement in the business plan it's going to be an amazing night budget session it's pretty intense i i  can't speak for the rest of council and i don't know what will happen but i know that i've been really pushing the city itself to kind of go all in in a sense and at that means commit some level of budget to seeing some level of build out happen within the city you know the the the b p w is owned by the community it's owned by the people and you know we could build this out very very quickly it at the cost of in the city what forty seven million dollars and forty seven was the entire twenty thousand customer base it's closer to twenty or twenty three million for the city itself but you know the numbers better than i do but i mean we could build that out very very quickly and i spoke with folks like that rocket fiber in detroit they're owned by a group dan gilbert and several others they have fifty million dollars in private capital that are that's building out that downtown fifty million dollars i mean rip off the band aid but bankrupting the our community owned utility is probably not the best idea so looking at this in terms of how can the city and vast how can we  be a true partner with b p w on this and you know really commit in a way that that we want to be all and that's probably going to be what we want to talk about at some point starting tonight in terms of the budget for tw david we have a joint b t w board city council meeting and you know one of the the to do is to say how do you want to approach this moving forward and i want to look at this as you know what can we build out  yield high capacity very very quickly and one of the things we can do is probably get downtown done very quickly so we can figure out a strategy that can wire downtown we can get some customers on we get some more we get more income going and we can and i can start paying for this thing know brian talked about citi being being all in and you know coming to that decision i think you know we're in a lot of different areas and you know i actually asked for some information about that we're actually touching boundaries of four in boundaries of four cities and nine different townships right now with our fiber network and so you know that means that there's a jurisdiction that has you know taxing authority or you know ability to implement assessments and things like that and i think you know brian's right on there's a risk element here if this is like roads of this is like you know that kind of improvement that's critical to a jurisdiction then i think that's an important policy discussion and you know putting that into the kind of mechanism that's going to  assure that the utility has financially viable and it gets the return for that capital investment that's made and so i think that's important policy discussion that's going to happen and certainly an important policy discussion it can happen in any jurisdiction that we're touching right now so you know the fiber network is there and it's just a matter of the commitment level you know really of the jurisdiction that we're in so it's worth mentioning lake town township just southwest of where we are right now they are voting on may three to do a millage to pay for fiber infrastructure and you know for the washer for fiber the the big cost is putting the fiber in the ground or on the poles so what they're doing is saying hey this is a good way for us to own some infrastructure and connect every house in the township and you know maybe there's some opportunities to work either with or alongside b p in the future but their car trying to wire up everything in the entire township everywhere which is really cool to see and they'll probably do absolutely the business plan that was on the council agenda for our joint session so it's available on the website see me afterward if you want the specific web address but you know that's all public document at this point so it's available on the city's website oh sure address security there any issues with security over fiber really no different than any other internet provider so you know if you set up a wi fi network at your house or business you're going to have to secure that the same way you would getting it through comcast so no differen yeah that's a good question you know i don't have the specifics on the time frame but i do know that our business plan contemplated following were ever our electric went so far electric went overhead the fiber went overhead of the electric was underground in the fiber was underground so i know what the doesn't just you know hit us with audio blasts once in a while she actually was very instrumental she's our technology director and you know was really instrumental in taking this business plan forward and also is operates our fiber network  staff on a daily basis out of becky if you have anything to add in terms of timeframe to run a mile of fiber or anything like that  this is where b p w has an unfair advantage they own the fiber they own the poles and this is why this is really why we want them to do this as a public utility because they do have an unfair advantage and they can make this a community utility and get it done right yet rocket fibered when i spoke with them i'm sorry quickly that was their biggest obstacle to getting outside the course they can get dan gilbert buildings along woodward avenue superfast but they can't get outside of th downtown because that's those are poles owned by d t e and that's their biggest obstacle i do want to say to dress on fair because i i think it will be a fair approach and that is our fiber utility is charged by electric utility you know we'll pay a pole attachment fee and you know some of those are built into the business plan so it's not like we're you know creating an unlevel playing field associated with that but i know i know what you're saying on that the i've got it just for each one i think our panelists will stay after to answer any specific questions and then we want you to come back next month we're going to a great program on workforce development from manpower will be our presenter so make it a great 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