good morning and welcome to the policy intergovernmental affairs committee meeting for august twenty ninth two thousand and sixteen this meeting will come to order before i get started i would ask all of us including myself just double check on your cell phones or our to our fire chief will be here to discuss the city japan leader in the meeting also came willing brink is here as our legislative analyst's enough this morning tammy's not feeling well damn home office is donald dan are you there thank you denise and of course our lovely young lady from well ok office from al are you there good morning ladies ok so we will go to our district  testimony in a couple of minutes we have eight items on our agenda so it's kind of a robust agenda we have five board nominees the fire department's m plan for the next four years and the legislative package for hawaii state associate of counties and my we county now i like all of you to think about this because at the break or just before the break i'll be asking for your help i can have a special meeting on september sixth tuesday in the afternoon because cow has done morning and i know some of you weren't available for col i'm going to ask you if you can really really really take a hard look at just  our eight sack special meeting while it's actually the executive meeting which will be our whole all the meeting on september twenty sixth two thousand and sixteen so that we can fend finalize our legislative package and really st at any of our district offices testimony will be limited to three minutes that's it you have two and a half minutes the light turns yellow which in mr okama says is wall and on three minutes when he starts blinking re pool of individuals who have formally applied to serve with their application said on sunday knowledge and they've been passed over for no discernible or transparently disclosed reasons if one does receive a letter from there i will call  from the majority landowner to the state and not to private agencies as well as longtime and retired but fully engaged president i fortunately the mayor's last four points have attempted to complete the radio this broad representation by so i think only i myself also emitted applications about two years ago i'd serve as a fighting board member in new jersey for four years and i felt that i met the qualifications  for an interview with by the members i will call all of you up you bobby whoever is available to speak to them so but you go right ahead please unprepared my name is dory no poet can tell and i was not prepared to offer support support of her nomination thank you for anything that you any questions for me scandal thank you and you'll be available for interview in a few minutes right thank you so we have no more justifie and hearing that no one else from my district offices want to just a file with no objection i'm going to close public testimony thank you very very much ok let us get started a gerard barfield first of all like to things to barfield for his service and wish him continued success i understand now he is the employee of the county of maui and that was his reason for stepping  this time denise is adele there ready to testify we need to give an introduction of herself and put forward that the deadline for approval or disapproval of this nominee is september ninth two thousand and sixteen so today we will be and we will not be able to report this out from the community in time for to meet the deadline therefore discussed only and but not intended to defer this matter without taking action in other words it's a up or down today and we have to have that then i can request and not an up or down i take that back i re what i just said aim if eating of what this council wants to do with this committee wants to do so that i can request a discharge at the council meeting on september second two thousand and sixteen so that we can act upon death and a for the record of the current sitting alone i plan to commission members of two of the members are employed with the four seasons hotel and if you were to confirm mrs of binondo it would make it three so there would still be a majority of non members or hotel members on the commission just for the record thank you thank you very much for that verification i will start with the district representative mr holt comma as far as sorry about that to participate in our community so just a few procedural questions first if i can answer mr molino or mr khushi i notice in mr resignation he had it for may so when does the clarke clock officially start regarding the time you know of how long the mayor has to submit a name the clerk's office sends a letter to us of the action taken by the council and that's typically when the clock starts from my understanding to thirty days from the date the letter is sent to the mayor's office for example if you took action on august fifth in the county clerk's office is gets the letter to us by august eighth in my understanding is the start of the thirty days would take place on the date of the notification from the council on a concourse office letter to the mayors on my understanding chairman is on submit a name within the time specified by charter to recommand the number need to council my question is whether or not when those that clock started and whether or not is already part of the council's responsibility now to make that determination in choice and not go with the nomination from the mayor mr coo she is s section two point four one point zero four before you go any further mr holcombe or i would like to show each one i don't know do they have a copy of this ms when they bring we are in receipt of a fax from m barfield to them here dated june sixteenth two thousand and sixteen ok and i have a copy here and i can give it to you folks is not a problem and which he basically states unfortunately me my letter of resignation unable to continue serving on the  night planning commission due to a conflict of work schedule and being foster of parent of three young children it leaves me very little time i have been ordered to work and to be able to take part in the  what i or my records here until june sixteenth two thousand and sixteen and that's what i have here so if you have something different then please i need it i need to be presented i think it's easy to amend this was about it you know it's interesting i get a lot of questions i think of a book especially with this one and especially from our own company retirees which is the you  know who is serving on our commission for communities benefit and it's been interesting in hearing the comments from our own retirees because they're interesting enough to sit in the park they paid a lot of what they intend to what cause on in the whole city and on the island so they have been making comments to me individually so i'm collectively about their ferguson's restaurant and then now has offered him employment so he works for the company also chairman and members i believe that they should have some representation on the commission they're still part of this community they're a large part of our community they should have a seat they should have it worse but i would agree no one group should four you know i grew up in an era that you was not to be afraid of the employer they had their rights issues but you should be standing up for what was right for the community and what was rightfull there was no marriage and sleeping in bed together while times have changed but the independence of the lebo boys need still to be present and maintain in that manner independent label voice for the betterment of the community of those residents that this are in for me i think the community has brought i'd be good point i don't need to see every single company proposal end up in litigation because of the amount of members employed by the company that's not healthy either nor is it enough that they have so many seats that they cannot override those within the union retirees others is how have they participated in the community have they been at the meetings have they shared thoughts about what is important do they understand the role of a special management here or requests and what is their jurisdiction and responsibility and has it been explained to that prospective commission you can be sued and financially held responsible for your decisions as an officer of this county right except in this rule has that been explained to those people legal responsibility for an answer responsibility i think commissioners should be aware of the manga to it of the responsibility that they are being asked to serve in and this is not something to be taken away by case it can be taken to court for their decision i think the key one for our economy right now is how has the individual served have they been attending important in public meetings have they been able to speak and share their thoughts about what they felt was important for the they want to serve and why this council should prepare and give them that opportunity i don't have a problem giving people opportunities but i would hate to put them in a position that it totally unaware of the main into the responsibilities they hold by being one of the main decision makers and at many times the final decision maker on various applications you for this commission dismissed comments at this time and when she is ready this meeting to please give us some comment about why she would like to serve and how she has participated in our community so that we can still come would you restate your question ok adela if you can tell the committee this morning please what is your experience with community meetings and have you participated in various  public meetings stating your thoughts about what you thought was good or bad for the community regarding planning and what are your other experiences so that you could share with us so we can be confident that you can do your job as a planning commission part in other groups within your community there on the night the the purpose of the law and i planning commission aside from you wanting to get get involved do you have an understanding of the role of the night planning do you understand what your job is a member of the la ny planning commission do you know what you what you are responsible for and what decisions are need to be made on the island's behalf do you know what sort of issues you have to address being on a board in commission the one i planning commission i guess i want to follow up on mr bellows question you say you understand what what what the planning commission job commissioners job is can you can you give us a little bit more of an understanding of your understanding just that you know you it's a it's a big commitment you able to make the meetings are you going to be able to make the meetings and do all the required homework before because typically a planning commission meeting requires several days worth of reading before hand conversation between my past members here i don't have any further questions than reverberation but i wanted her to be able to hear me i want to thank you for volunteering to be on the planning commission you probably are not aware of all of the duties and responsibilities of this job that often commission and i have been listening with interest to the discussion here and i understand that this is a very important commission and i think you're beginning to understand listening to all of the discussion here today and obviously your position if i'm getting this correct and i want you to confirm this is why you do not totally understand what the planning commissioners do you have you have some idea as you sat in on a couple of meetings and you are willing to learn from participating and from the other members what the duties are is that correct ok know often we take on things and we're not fully sure about what we're going to be required to do i think that happens even here on the council but i am excited that you want to do this and if you have the time and the commitment to the people of lo then and you're making that commitment the time and the commitment are you willing to commit to there ok well then i don't have any further questions  my my first and biggest question is the time commitment you just said yes to mispricing but it sounds like you sound like to me when you asked me a question or when you answered my question you said you couldn't commit to every month and the extra nights of homework  it's it takes a lot of time it takes a couple days worth of homework reading before a meeting and then attending a meeting my question to you is are you able to attend most of the meetings ok and the question is are you working on the night shift at the hotel so i'm  still come so they can hear your your response you need to be consistent on your responses you gave us two different responses to the same basic question on whether you can attend meetings or not and yet you also tell us you were at night so what is the real answer can you commit to attend this very important commission and its scheduled meetings or can you not make those meetings adela did you hear the question ok the question is missed all comers asking because you were on the night shift are you able to commit to a ten most of these meetings which i held in the evening you going to try your best is your answer concerned about her requirement to work at night and the ability to it then those meetings especially with our department who seems to cancel a lot of meetings for  issues regarding the update can you tell me this morning what your thoughts are regarding the new updated community plan and whether or not you believe it is in the right direction for the night to move forward position it was about your general interests were you requested to apply and if you do want to serve is only the planning commission your interest or did you want to serve in any type of community service whether it be like a commission a fire commission a civil service commission a public works commission or is there other areas of interests you had demonstrated a lot and we thank you for you know we understand the realities of it's expensive this limitations and so i commend you working two jobs saying that you're from your side working two jobs you have another employer that gets impacted by your service to the commission what does your other employer say regarding your willingness to serve since you were forth t ok any other questions for the nominee ok scene thank you very very much and hang in there we'll will be discussing a few minutes and you can listen in what's going on and then hopefully we will come to some resolution thank you very much and thank you for you know your willingness to serve and i like ms rice i know it's always difficult to put yourself in the public for scrutiny and also commitments you know i know we are interested in commitments and the ability to learn especially learned the important issues that are going on in any community as fresh in the area of planning that is our future the present teaches us that if we don't do the right thing the future could be bleak so i think i just wanted that clarified why all the questions about your attendance you know being able to to study to be able to take time to understand the various aspects of the planning commission and the decisions that i made there are you ok with that  a direct answer from that allow you to answer that i thank you very much mr innes i requested to speak on that earlier to make a clarification of mr barfield resignation he did indicate to us via e mail that he wanted to resign the administration does not recognize an unsigned resignation letter such that as an e mail we request either fax a signed faxed resignation letter or a hard copy signing the resignation letter which is why the resignation was received by committee on june sixteenth on that in fact that was the reason for the delay because we do not recognize a resignation until it is actually signed by people member ok so that was the june sixteenth fax the chair victory you know read testimony and i think also in opening comments for restore calm alluding to the fact of people i guess having conflict of interests on the commissioner of guards to working for the company or i think this particular applicant's husband works for the company and is there a relation in regards to conflict gave me some type of monetary advantage via if he or she you know always have a husband or wife work for the company and they said the husband was not the employee but the wife was there could be a possible conflict of interest because again the house all depends on the income i mean that discussed but she works for the company i'm not sure about the husband but i know she definitely does work for the company ok and so in that respect is there a potential of conflict i mean will she be having to recuse any time you know is a plane or have any type of decision upon their requests and what have you is that going to come up has that come up with existing sitting members that are part of the  company who pays your wages is that i mean is there a tie there to deem it a conflict i mean i'm mr excuse me answer is yes and it can go further than that it could be one step removed but again it's on a case by case basis depending on the application depending on what status the member has in the in the organization except i know we always say and any other applicants that are not employed by the landowner yes we do have several on file you do what they were not taken into consideration they were taken into consideration employed by the hotel itself right so ok so if an item from the four seasons comes up then that's when they have to determine whether or not they would use them selves or something not much would at those particular meetings those issues i'm sure may have been raised in the past but at this juncture i cannot give you any clear response to that question ok mr sheriff we could get that before the council meeting that we have to vote on this that would be nice to my only question in my only concern is if one has to recuse himself and there's three there so then all three may have to recuse themselves and then it it gets touchy well to be a concern i have well again let me ask you this question the other three are they all working at four c because i just heard you say mr coo she you mentioned four seasons and the question was brought up by  you that she doesn't work for the company she works for four seasons and they read this maybe i mean the wreck we have seen it but you have a good point because for season operates as their own corporation they have the contract to manage the hotel if that respect you know so but i just one declare for creation of the other two that i print all the other three or presently and should you have a day writing funny will come i'll ask you this question do the work for for she just or do you do they work for other  i saw thank you dear while i've been waiting you know some of what i was thinking about it's been discussed ok but i was trying to get the math i understand that if we were to confirm woman that there would be four people with ties to you know tell the other problem alumni or whatever and i keep hearing a majority there's nine members on this commission right where there should be so four do not constitute a majority so i just thought it was interesting matt that we had a no thank you thank you yes mr culch thank you mr chair one last question if mr molina knows there was testimony stating that some of the appointees that we've we put on there are we approved have not shown up to the meeting once kind of thing i'm not i'm not sure what that mean and i probably should have asked the testifiers but i saw the letter and it sounds like we've put some people on the commission and they have not shown up for the meeting are you hearing that council member only from what i've been hearing testimony and then of course some some of the letters that have been sent as well for me right now i can explain that or provide an answer to that end who actually goes to the meetings and it's hard to say who the playing department knows other members of the community and if these particular nominees do show up and participate i currently don't have that information for you right now i can make an effort to try and get that for you i believe you are talking in this case of mr obey not only are you talking about the possibly other two current sitting members of the commission you if they had attended previous public meetings would you like that try to get that information as well or just related to ms open maybe i misunderstood the testimony but it sounded like that if we read on they i went off the applications with regards to mr ferguson so on that his application of course so we were unaware of the update with regards to his restaurant so at the time i was under the assumption he was just still the restaurant proprietor but now that he sold and is now  on the payroll so to speak of the lama so again thing i want to thank cause my real common for making that clarification so so if you do confirm this particular member the number would stand at four they wish which doesn't constitute a majority but yes you know you're getting very close if i recognize you miss by so i wanted to ask you on this cancellation of meetings that i have been told has happened on numerous occasions by the department are these means being cancelled due to lack of quality each and every time is that the main reason or are there other reasons like unavailable staff what is the specific reason for these meetings being canceled  chairman a committee members from what i've been told the majority of the time when the meetings are canceled this or me issues there may have been an occasion or two where there may not have been enough i guess agenda items to constitute a regular meeting but it is my belief who has been at the indian then who has been ending and here at large community members tend to always attend any other questions for the and ministration father is if you're hearing and seeing this occurring what steps are you taking to avoid it and to rectify what's going on if any in terms of i'm sure that people are showing up and look into the reasons why there is a lack of quorum and why months on end meetings are not happening i mean to a certain extent we can't just put someone on and in with regards to this question i believe the plane crash that took place recently i think that may have been one reason why the department had maybe postponed meetings at the time well i want to get married also to the actual date was february twenty sixth two thousand and fourteen so they correlate and i guess i'm going to stop the question right here because i think now we've gone into an area where i don't want to go to mccain i think i've got the picture i believe i understand that in some of these cases the plane crash was part of it and the period we're talking about may have been the big part of it but since then i guess what we need to know is how of the meeting is being conducted are they having regular meetings or are they having kwame issues i guess supply i had very little knowledge of what water but i can stack up with anybody today anywhere in the skull in the state as far as what issues are concerned but i taught myself i learnt i study i made it a point to do all my homework  did it but you know i again ah those committed i don't know i can't speak for others so it's your decision now what do we bring this forward or not because we need an answer because it's got to come on i've got to bring it up on friday a d to make a decision one way or the other we're kind of running against the time for all the reasons whatever it is right here it shows that the main thing was the fact was received on june sixteen our letter from the mayor was dated july fifteenth as far as i can see all the time frames from the administration fell in line whose fault what fault i cannot put any fault with anybody these are the facts that i have in front of me so you deciding whether this young lady is qualified or not or you want her to be a part of the alumni planning commission i guess that's what we're coming down to now and i correct in my statement so i'm going to make my recommendation and that the cookie crumble made me well i mean i'm asking do you want me to it becomes a no vote if i've been told by all right yes it's a little we have to do it at the we have to do it at the if you don't discharge it then it becomes she automatically gets on if you don't discharge it by september recommendation i think that is suitable for this morning's meeting i will say though in advance of the council decision that we've already posted regarding this  one time you know i would just say it puts our community it puts this individual and this committee in difficult situation i think i would like a committee decision preferably when time allows right and i appreciate mr molinos willingness to assist the committee and the members in this effort to get more information to bate make the best informed decision regarding this nomination o also as mr molina when he does present this some of it is of course maybe lack of core biting if it is also because the department had nothing to pose as far as topics although i find it far fetched knowing arlin and his various issues that would be good to know from the department of perspective why they chose not to schedule a meeting think a book this responsibility she's says she wants to accept but i'm not sure she understands the breath of this responsibility you know in this county the commissioners of the planning area are pretty much your what i would call your a category it is of great importance whatever they decide this commission is and again by they be fragile last a little com along they're required on two things findings of fact conclusion of law that's the principles of plenty commission us and for us to findings of fact inclusion of law understanding and any finite who wants to take this job the magnitude of responsibilities including the financial responsibility in the believe it to be taken to court for those decisions second i think it's important that this body has the time and i understand the demands on your schedule mr chairman we all have those demands so i understand the timing factor but i would like a community recommendation and i would this is a big thing for law and i say it would be a big thing for mobile cable ma if it regards to those island plenty commissioners the role of those nine individuals to me is of great demand and importance that i don't want us to beat up a question on why we put some of it should be just that they are qualifying they're able to do it they can perform in their interests to any the betterment of the community thank you thank you and i and i appreciate those comments and would know again i think i've ever made it clear we're going to defer this and i think i got an ok from all of you to defer this matter and at this time i would like to become mid morning break like everybody by ten forty because we really have a lot to do and we've spent an hour and a half on just one nominee so please be back at ten forty in the seats and ready to go this meeting is now in recess  de molly county cultural resource commission the committee is in receipt of comic communication dated july fifteenth two thousand and sixteen received on july fifteenth two thousand and sixteen from the mayor's office change meaning the proposed resolution in title relating to the appointment of michael roper to the more we county cultural resource commission along with a completed application form of the first two thousand and twenty filling the vacancy due to the resin resignation of my leka and feel i would like to dance miss and feel for her services to the commission and w did line up of the approval or disapproval of this nomination is september thirteenth two thousand and sixteen so we're not able to report this out to the committee in the time to meet this deadline therefore the meaning is to discuss only my intent to defer this matter without taking action and request that it be discharged to the council of our september second two thousand and sixteen meeting so that it can be acted upon at that time i understand mr roper is in the learn a office waiting to be interviewed is that correct denise can you try again denise to speak up ok very good thank you denise hang on before mr roper speaks i was going to have mr molina give a little introduction about mr roper but since mr molina is not here at at this time i would like to in serving and it's somewhat ties to his employment as well or the type of work he does with the alumni cultural and historic preservation organization and he indicated to us that it would not be a problem for his employer to be  historic preservation zz representative is that correct calero is part of your work also at the alumni cultural in historic museum facility also is that part of your community service component the time you give to the cultural center well ok is it as a volunteer or is that part of your employment that you know not too many questions members on this one again as he mentioned earlier from on his mother's side they are part of the share the information that makes our other very special so i mean full support of mrs a rope was nomination you will see that there is also a supporting testimony when i went home many people in what they hope to continue to make much better place for the future of their children and other generations to come and the lineage connection is very very important in this area and those families that you have mentioned all of them truly years i've gotten to know many of them and they are big part of the island of the and its cultural past and push and the preservation of it for the future so i can speak very highly about this gentleman also and i  especially since most of them will be over here in your employer's willingness to to let you make the meetings was the reply you got the question regards to your lineage and and see the importance of your commitment and participation in this decision making so i don't really have any questions for you i just one who also shed light our previous discussion chair our issues you know our concerns that pull up this is in a different sorts he does work for them but he brings a lot to the table as  participation but especially the connection to the island and so again appreciate your your dedication to attendance in this too so i have no questions but i want to just thank you very much for  of the issue was how to address it's unique cultural and historical importance sites as well those are the facts this is the communities version of how our own people would help monitor  locate does and they work on preservation plans because in the past a lot of the things on the nih left i went to bishop museum over one to someplace else there's a concerted effort that those things need to remain on i documented or preserved and presented for a nice benefit and this is our one on one of the communities attempt to address  sensitive important areas by lanai people regarding the sites and the nice artifacts so i appreciate mr good's missed question because it showed how our community address there are concerns in this manner of things and if you look at today's great even people that depend on parks or if you read about what's happening in our own national parks and that disregard for safety precautions and preservation efforts is something that needs to be addressed and so this is a nice way mr chairman and i share that with you because it might be another model for other areas of my we county to consider utilizing to adjust similar abuse and vandalism and everything you know these are national treasures and people seem to think that they're just another piece of property they can just dump on and it's kind of kind of ashamed you know and also the preservation of our wildlife and we spend so much time and effort trying to stop people from building things in preserving areas here in the areas where we have preservation conservation the people that are a part of it abuse it you know they tell they're told to stay twenty five feet away from  certain wildlife and they're right up on their nose or friesan petting it and doing other things that you know like the dolphins you should not want to go there enough commentated enough i'm sorry you got me going you should never get me going in that area and the other question is for deferring this without objection so that it can be brought up on fridays agenda at our council meeting as a referral and so we can make a decision at that time so i'll let this other discussion that needs to be said today i would like to defer this matter so that we can bring it up on fridays agenda any objections thank you very much thank you mr off i have a great day ok moving right along i don't number three nom  very involved person in the community and we certainly appreciate all of his efforts now as it relates to this con to the administration is would like to certainly seek your support for her as many of you know her she's a very involved person in the community as well and you confirm her to the molly fire and public safety commission back in two thousand and twelve and i would like to just share with you her attendance record has been very solid out of a possible fifty one meeting she's attended forty five or roughly ninety percent and she is certainly very knowledgeable about what to do what goes on in our community and we would certainly see her as a very important asset on the planning commission and should you confirm or she would basically be wearing two hats as a planning commissioner and fire commissioner for roughly seven months her term expires at the end of next march of two thousand and seventeen and then after that she would slowly just be a molly planning commission or they can mr chairman thank you to you're ready and now i'm going to ask you the question for you can start are you able to do both yes just because i know it's going to be asked and i guess you know in the public and we've been reluctant in the past of approving and get them on i mean it will be almost the end of the term so i guess that the logic behind of that isn't that ok so anyway it's your show go ahead before i go into a little short bio i know it's been a i'm sure that as a policy making body the work that i would perform prior to items reaching this council would be of great importance to me and i'm just very very committed if i commit to a commission and i'm solid and i will every i believe twice a month tuesdays and thursdays of mine is when they meet so the other commissions that i belong to  are not on the same day i believe i meet with the fire department on thursdays and i'll be able to commit to that as well i want to commit to that i want to finish up what i started with  chief mary there but yes so i'm i'm ready i want to be part of overall positive effort to work hard and stay focused thank you  we'll move on thank you thank you very much terry as district representative i want to get my stuff in i'm really excited to have this counter here before us this morning i  a rare opportunity that we get somebody like her who is so well qualified to do this and it's a pleasure to be here in support of her nomination you know i've had the opportunity to work with her very very cooler community association she does an outstanding job there in making sure that an unruly group stays focused and i just love or because when she says the meeting is an hour it's an hour she keeps everybody with their you know she keeps them in line doesn't let us wonder around and make sure the things get done i also have the a pleasure of attending the native hawaiian chamber with her and she also does an excellent job there always has a good program and is very dedicated you know it's unusual that anybody who volunteers to this extent gets it all but put  and i think that we are very lucky to have and i'm sure fire will be very happy to have for the last seven months but i'm excited to have her on the planning commission she's going to be an outstanding commissioner and put i want to thank you very very much volunteering and i'm not going to ask you about whether you're going to show up because i knew you will you know when she served on the special committee for the city manager the county manager thing she showed up and she did whatever she was supposed to do and was standing way so again thank you we're lucky to have been our community thank you tracy thank you and then we care for one thing when i talk about disagree present day she and i always talk about that particular member being for that particular being putting yourself out there for volunteering for for both of the commissions one thing i noticed in your application that from two thousand and ten till now you are a third party know the jobs that i i pull permits for our per primarily small scale you know be it a business or an individual  said didn't and i know your record but this is twice a month on tuesdays every other tuesday and you're going to get binders full of homework to do before and that's the that's the real i just want to make sure you're aware that that's the real time consuming thing is all the stuff you have to do before and i'm fully aware ok great thank you thank you and i was good on the ms cochran chair and thank you ms condo for your volunteerism on many levels and my out my only fee here at him it's for probably administration more i appreciate that you're here representing yes of you i have no questions for doreen and i think she'll do a fabulous job i've known her for quite some time and everything she's been able to be on or participate in has been very successful so i'm very sure i'm just going by what you wrote down so if confirm you're going to give up the chair of the fire commission if that would be required of me i've already talked to chief mary and we've had a little bit of a conversation regarding that but of course it's contingent on whether or not i'm confirmed or not because i understand your feelings towards serving on two commissions under the county yeah thank you thank you for saying that  but i understand the unique situation you are in and your track record of being very productive and contributing to the various boards and commissions you will until i'm including the states forward so thank you so much i understand the situation she's in i understand she is a benefit to the community of course i just have my issue with the multiple county commissions but other than that i think she's an excellent money for consideration thank you thank you i think we all benefit from your on the job training that you bring back to all of the different roles of commission you mentioned as far as chair of the fire and safety commission and your conversation with marie within this conversation be more with your fellow commissioners not necessarily by achieve that is correct and i plan to have my curtesy i did want to go to i didn't want him to be seated there and find out that ever going through this thank you i don't have any questions i just like to extend my models for extending your time to further service so my hollow thank you any other questions or comments for this is a very very important crucial commission i believe and really would like to see something of a representation from the west my district so where there are no applications did you folks to even try to fill a position for that commissions and this is a perfect example the planning commission up until today has only one female member and should you confirm this county we would have to so we're moving in that direction as well and we certainly try our best to recognize your request but we will certainly make an effort to try and fill the next they can see with someone from west thank you very much and could share also i know this was a sticking point of myspace and past discussions here in regards to political affiliation i'm showing for the members here showing none and whether that was how they applied or it was just wasn't notated in your spreadsheet i'm not sure yeah but that's what's showing here current they have no political party affiliation so non or i'm not sure if it's the more appropriate in a or which is the preferred terminology i guess but that is what  that are to be part of the commission as members of department of public works and waste management i think that was once upon a time a department and director water supply so when i revisit looks like three separate bod need to be there so i think i don't know if that's just a housekeeping item to change that wording of the heading because we're now department of public works or separated out from d m and that's certainly a looking at the up occasions today and all of the political affiliations been filled thank you thanking also member the reminders are certainly very helpful ok very good very good ok anything else mcphee alternate to the urban design review board along with a completed application form to form the nominee the purpose of the proposed resolution is to approve or disapprove  chris make fee to the urban design review board for the term expiring march thirty first two thousand and seventeen to fill a vacancy due to the racing nation of gerald chairman we were very fortunate to have mr mcfee making himself available to serve in this capacity i think i've mentioned it before in previous meetings is somewhat difficult getting having engineers find the time to serve on our very supports and commission which are some requirements mr make the is an employee of the water department in a civil engineering position and he has received the green light to serve as an alternate on this commission and i've been told that the use of alternates are very rare the current regular members on the urban design review board have a pretty good attendance record so this appointment would be for roughly seven months till the end of march thirty first of next year so there is a slim chance mr mcfee may be called into service but it is a requirement that we do provide in all alternate members i think there are four positions for alternates on this commission but two of those positions require year the it's more years i'm sorry i thought you left ok mr mcfee would you like to come up and say a few words i apologize i thought you had left i'm sorry took so long and you had to sit through much of this discussion thank you for being here go ahead counsel i did leave just for the recess and i came back a little bit about myself i work for a department of water supply now for nine years in the position of civil engineering three and we don't have any plans on moving i plan to be here for quite a while my wife is ryo make fee and she teaches several zoom book classes around the island and i am from american samawa was born there and spent many years there working at the american side power authority in the wastewater division for ten years one year with the water department one year with the environmental protection agency of america and spent a couple years working when we moved to seattle for a private engineering consulting firm and now we're here we've been here since two thousand and seven enjoying molly we have one more of our children with us  two older boys in the navy and our daughter's a senior at baldwin high school and they do like to get involved and i am a board member with the mama pregnancy center i've been a board member there for about four years our doors have been open for two years and have served hundreds of clients and their families and very pleased that just good testimonies from the people that have been served there yes thank you well thank you mr me for you and i do admit you and your wife are very active in the community not only with many nonprofit organizations you know toys for tots and others that you and your lovely wife participate in and have been really instrumental leaders so i will see in the community at large here i've seen them in action and i'm very thankful for their hard work and their contribution to the if necessary to attend these meetings if you called upon yes he will he said that he recommends that i try this out to pursue it and to learn more about  what your thoughts are about this new approach forum base and whether you think it's something good for this colony or not honestly i haven't heard of that term  and what i know a little about this board is is what i've happened to get from director our director dave taylor he mentioned reviewing plans and reviewing them pertaining to visual impacts and i think i can manage that some things he mentioned that we would be reviewing thank you ok thank you alternate you do an excellent job thank you very much mr guzman you can start off and then i'll go to can you explain the dynamics of the urban design review board and how it works with the county does it preview the county plans or does it review third party plans and then come through i'm just trying to figure out if there's a conflict between you know having to be an employee of the county and also on an independent commission reviewing designs from that are drafted by the county  had a good question to bring up now with my limited knowledge about the what the commission reviews i guess maybe a little of both i would guess third party plans private plans right now along with county plans there may be a question  of if if there are if there is a county project and having a county board member on there the possibility of conflict but that would be i think something that would be best discussed amongst the membership members and corporation council of the board but i does not preclude him from being on any border commission but again you know conflicts me or i see if the water department is doing something to him you know what the plan is it'll go to the review review board  themselves because they think each i think you're in are you in now probably hold true for many of these names if one of their clients or someone that they're actively working with would come up they would have to refuse because some of these names are active engineers and and partners in our community so so that would probably be no different than any of these are in the midst cochran thank you chair so i have the list of current  again chair and it just i just wondered if i did as an old because again it's not going to i know your questions are valid and i appreciate that and i do recognize and i did look over the list i was i had that brought to me and i guess that's something that needs to be addressed as far as where small is concerned but in if you don't mind i don't know what else you can and sod it in looking into it because we're moving in and we still have a number of issues to try to take care of so i don't want to cut you off but i recognize the problem what the mechanism is to move an alternate if he chooses to to be considered a regular member because we are going to have another round of vacancies coming up to january so we will certainly check with the department of core council to see what we would have to do i would only guess that if the alternate decides that he wants to be a regular member then i would only guess that he would have to resign his current term as a alternate and then it would be pretty much up to the council or  counsel says to put him in or make him eligible to serve as a permanent member representing the west molly area but will certainly look into that and that you know that certainly is a valid you know request cochran would you put a note and let's have a letter sent to the administration in cooperation council on that particular issue if a alternate is presently serving if what is the mechanism that we can use to have that alternate upon an opening be considered first for that position especially when it does either for gender or district representation or one of the above fulfill that obligation to the county ok yeah thank you thank you very much and thank you for that option mr moving as long as he is willing to participate also yes but if not then if we can see i guess some applications from that district and if i may add we certainly try our best to one we have to find the person who's an engineer and we certainly hope that their geographic area residency can be a benefit to the commission as well but sometimes you have to take whatever's out there and they may not necessarily come from the area that we would have a preference for but we do the best we can recommendation that you would like to entertain a motion to adopt the proposed resolution and thought of related to the appointment of chris smith for the alternate to the urban design review board which the coach mr chair moved to adopt the resolution relating to the appointment of christmas entitle we dating to the appointment of a bird up at no to the cost of government commission along with the completed application form full of from the no vacancy due to the resignation of geelong i would also like to thing mrs long for her service and wish or nothing but continued success at this time is that now it is here today and i would like to have a come up to the point in to serve on the cost of government commission for a fully about a little over a year and a half commitment she's the general partner for the family farm and also served in the management positions prior to that for a fortune five hundred company  that you can see on your own or application american express so she definitely has a lot of a business experience that could certainly be an asset on this particular commission and with that being said mr chairman i wouldn't use the floor to miss pat no we're questioning from the members  sorry sorry there are three reasons to appoint me to the cost of government commission number one i believe i have great qualifications my past experience as an executive a of american express provided the training and know how to analyze costs budgets and benefits and i believe that experience will translate well to molly county administrative processes number two i believe that good government is a partnership between elected officials and the community and my always volunteer commissions are an intercom part of our functioning government and number three my current occupation affords me the flexibility to attend commission meetings and schedule additional meetings when needed to get the job done i have the support of my family to philly and when i'm gone and now i ask had the opportunity to work very closely with her now for at least ten years very closely in the cooler community association and i've had the opportunity to also participate with her in a lot of work of the working group and i have to tell you i think this should make an outstanding commissioner and i'm really proud of the women that showed up here this morning bobbie shows up for meetings does their homework is always prepared and i kind of fearless about to sing down information and she shows up regularly and sticks to business and will fight for what she believes is right she brings a lot of knowledge and a lot of management experience and quite a community association has been very very lucky to have her on the board because she takes a lot of the work there so i am in full support of this nomination i think should be an outstanding commissioner and when she says she's going to be there  right i actually don't have any questions either from his past node we do see her frequently here you know advocating for things for the of country area but i do have comments for administration again they are been a moderator for the last three years very organized very critical thinking and is probably has is poised to be in this cost of government commission due to her background and her experience thank you thank you very much and i guess the only question i would have for you bobbie and again no one asked you because and they all know you're going to be able to do it but i want the public to hear because you're really on the working group now the cost of government and the community association i'm not sure what your position is now but i knew it one time you were the president i don't think you are at this point but i think an active board member if i'm not mistaken along with your farm and other things and the like i said earlier give a busy person more to do and they find a way to get it done and that seems to be the truth in a lot of our lives can you fulfill all of these various obligations i know your family going to have to carry the ball in your house was going to come to me all that afterwards but that's another story i can handle  but can you please answer that question the answer is yes i can fulfill all those obligations ok thank you anything else now you had a question for the administration about way small we actually cheer you're going to be shocked but  will certainly add that to the list and we'll look at what we can come up with for the next round of vacancies but thank you the input and i just want to say you know on behalf of the administration we certainly welcome the input because i think it's a very healthy thing for  executive branch in the legislative branch to share ideas and opinions whereas we may not always find agreement but it's still a healthy thing and that's why it's a democracy and you know i found myself having sat where you sat understand where you you folks are coming from and going to do the best you can in serving your community so you can thank you again for your good work thank you thank you very much and so with no further comments or questions i'd like to make my recommendation that you would like to entertain a motion to adopt the proposed resolution entitled we living to the appointment of a bird a pet no to the cost of government commission mr couch mr chair move to adopt the resolution relating to the appointment of reparative pet no to the cost of excuse and no no's thank you very much income congratulation roberta bobby pat no thank you very very much i don't number six and i'm moving right along because we're running out of time real quick and i'll call the fire chief up before i move on to that hang on before i move on i'm going to cover the department of fire and public safety as master master strategic plan for two thousand and sixteen two thousand  through two thousand and twenty p i am sixty four i will with your permission defer the other aspects till that special meeting on september sixth where we take them all up again i promised i'd ask guys before to me before our break but nobody reminded me thank you very much ms williams big i ask you to remind me i forgot and i apologize but before we end the meeting i would need a commitment for those who can be here i'd like to set it at nine am on the sixth of september just to cover the eight sack and the eight sack and mowing packages so that we can get that resolved that we can move that on and we can get that presented at our executive meeting on september twenty six there is a definite deadline that i and must i must meet so i'll ask you guys after we get through with this please keep murray thank you very very much let me start by saying the committee's receipt for county communication sixteen days fifty four of the fire chief transmitting a copy of the maori county department of fire and public safety master to teach it planned for two thousand and sixteen through two thousand and twenty the strategic master plan for the fire the department of fire and public safety sets the vision for the fire safety overall for the next five years in maui county again chief thank you for being here and i will open the floor up for some overview by us and then we'll open it up to question chief mar since the early two thousand and what we specifically did was take the opportunity to revisit again and align it to the whole process of accreditation and this is one of our key points that we have to do as part of this process and make the changes necessary to the surveys and what have you so hopefully had an opportunity to take a look at that and we can move through this document and it will be answer any questions that you may have ok i will start with the vice chair mr culture and move right along and can we move to just two questions and then if you have more that needs to be answered at the very end then i will open the floor up for anyone with further questions so  what the public's perception of the importance of basic maui fire department programs are ranked by external external stakeholders and that number two is emerged in medical services  as as you know we we kind of share that responsibility with the major responsibility being with the state funding that can you can you talk to us a little bit about the that there would it would take some intense study to see if that would benefit our community as we stand right now i think the process that we have at the moment is an excellent process we work very well  together you know there is only one other example in the state of hawaii that a fire department provides medical services and that's on the big idea you know one part of that process would be to reach out to them in an ask of their challenges which they do have a lot as stated earlier you talked about the state having a major responsibility and how that works  and and that could be hurdles as well because you know asking for instance the big i mean he's asking for a extra ambulance in one of their jurisdictions for several years and it has to go through legislation for that to happen so you know in one we being run by a county department is good and in another it made may not be but like i said there would be an extensive study moving forward if that's something that you'd want to look into thank you chief for being here this plan that you have submitted to this committee for review this morning is this still based on trying to be a credit yes you  sir because i have come to terms in my discussions with the mayor that i can support is certified department on the necessary willing to go in continue to spend the type of money to train get credit it's already failed that tests that i can support a certified status for our county department and watching how we have gone through the last few years chief i am also discussing with america whether or not we should continue to maintain a commission for meth i'm happy to discuss as i have with the mayor  in the hiring firing and review of department budgets where they be civil service fire department commission police commission civil service commission public works commission i know considered to reinstitute for the current situation we currently face and so that's where i am with this plan thank issues that i've always been trying to figure out and is the one that mr couch had mentioned was the mass responses ambulatory responses and if you could share just a little bit of light on how they do it in the big island because the last guests about three months ago i was at a party and a person was having a heart attack and the i called nine one one and they said you folks and the ambulance didn't show up but then you guys took the patient to the hospital stabilized which i felt that you did a good job as should have been also the responsibility of the compan to stabilize the billing of that would eventually go to the patient if if the ambulatory response but you folks the fire department responded so there was no billing  emergency response so if they were so in big i do they bill the patient for the response yes they do for medical response yes and i see in your survey here and it says should the county of maui charge for the responsible party for service and out of the the categories e m s has the highest in saying no i guess one hundred seventy seven people say and county and the because of the service because the fire department picks up the mess they actually have enough revenue to buy a lot of their equipment and trucks because of the mass service billing there could be a we should start going that route but like you said it's is a very political and we're going to have to move a lot of mountains at the state legislation to even propose something like that so minutes right oh absolutely actually three minutes could be yeah i saw i would estimate it was about a good twenty twenty five maybe almost thirty minutes until the ambulance showed up but you guys did the first initial response  stabilized right and that's our role we were at more places than the ambulances and in a lot of times we do corey sponsors well it's all based on the call so that becomes a priority and a lot of times ambulances are actually transporting people you know from the high you know where have you so there's a lot of distance on our on the island of maui as well that we cover so and so the day but when i didn't my point was it's very interesting that a private company in abu tare responds they do the transport but on the bill they'll send the bill to the patient as part of their shirts right right but you guys were the ones that were first on the on the on the scene stabilized which actually did more than the amber tory and they came so right in that little so that's true one of the things moving throughout the country is the community power of medicine and we looked into that so that we could gain funding on responses but right now as it stands the state law doesn't allow us to bill for that  yeah so that needs to be changed if that needs to you know because we do a lot and we were we had a consultant come to one of our conferences and we were about to hire that person when they did the state law research that we were not allowed to do that because we is not only here it happens all over the nation because i had a situation in vegas which the first responders were the fire department they're more available they're there to save lives and a lot of times the ambulance is not available and there was didn't show up to forty five minutes later fire departments are available because they had their they got what how many stations throughout the county fourteen fourteen station how many ambulance chasers do after the county nine ok to them at and so i'm going to take that as twenty five stations available whenever something happens so i want to keep that in mind you know billing and all that we can discuss that more but this is not the time in place but i agree with you you know i'd like to make sure that twenty five is always available instead of when a fourteen or nine or one of them being bought up and so now we only have fourteen let's say using that as an example missed by so thank you very much chair and thank you very much chief for being here and for giving us you know i've taken a look at it and i can see that a whole lot of work went into this and i know that it takes a lot of work and meetings and you know a lot of co leading in writing goodness knows to try to come to the recommendations that you find in a strat plan so i'm kind of curious i know that we are very limited in time here but in your findings and your things that your priorities that you'll be looking at as a result of this can you share maybe at least number  chief thank you for the question thank you for coming appreciate that yes there was a lot of work that we mean by a lot of people and they did a great job  you know it's hard to choose because there's many but you know what what is it that you really feel we need to work on or you need to work on that we can work together on i think the number one thing is life safety and  helps with that with that push is training so having our people train constantly and the right things as we have redeveloped our whole program starting from nothing to something and we have we have moved forward with that and i think we are much better than we were eight years ago and it's because of our people you know really taking the opportunity to get better and we have programs we have set programs that are majority of our certifiable and everybody has this if you get in it and it's super important for us to practice together as much as possible and refresh our skills is super important as well so there's a lot of investment that you folks have made over the years for us to move forward in that area and and we're we're doing really well there's a few areas that not skip that at all because that's something that we do a lot and it's also something that we do on each other when we have one of our members get sick or feels ill or you know has symptoms we take care of our own people as well so i believe life safety is the number one thing and it's always will be probably in our business in our profession but we're making great strides moving forward with our training again thank you very very much and i just also want to second what chair victor reno mentioned and that was when i had my infamous phone the few years ago it was the firemen that were there immediately and i felt so comfortable knowing that they knew how to pick me up and move me and ambulance came later so again thank you very very much for what you do for community thank you and you you chair and thank you chief for being here and i know we're really appreciate our time here really quick so i'll speak very fast but i appreciate ms ms bases question to you because and i love that yours yeah it's about safety of people's life property and and what have you and continue the training if i recall though i thought i did see some memo senior curbeam in coming that back very recently so that is not the case you are moving full speed ahead with your training there were anticipated training that we wanted to continue to do so what we're trying to do is do it majority of what we do is in the house so what we wanted to do is  overtime but curbing that meaning means less instructors so we're trying to do our part you know get with the budget  and then you understand our situation that we're in then we need to continue those things so we keep trying to find ways as best as possible to make that happen so the training that is not necessary that is a good tool to have we put that on hold but we will continue to do the certifications that are mandatory for us to do that will we will not stop very good thank you so much and my second question chair how this surgery that you're based in this plan off of is done is it a public mail out to entire population or how is this conducted the external survey was done online as well as hard copy it was produced we had and also it's in the paper and through other publications and this is only the feedback that we  got back within that period of time because we didn't want to leave it open for too long if not we wouldn't be able to press the data together so but if you look at it it's kind of a you know a broad base of areas where people had comments so we took all the comments in and put it in good or bad just so we could see what we're up against and what people see there on a day to day basis ok thank you and just quickly the i see a lot of no responses that's why so obviously that entry that person responded to some questions but these particular ones did not wri an odd that is odd is kind of like a no vote you can actually show but not say anything so i think they had they felt in some of the areas of question that they didn't have any comment so they left it blank and then you can't really track that because they're not the individual doing the survey is not actually numbered so you can't really say which one answered and which one didn't ok ok but i don't i don't i don't think it's odd because i think a lot of times people don't understand or don't really relate to that particular part of the question or part of i think for example i look at how helicopter rescue there was forty nine they didn't answer at all you know  and all of them always had a percentage but that's not the funny one was other services one hundred twenty three never responded this is on the external survey results i mean specifically today because that's the public in general yeah and so to ask you chief i thought was very interesting because i went to the extent of survey results you know there's other results from internal and others but i thought the two there was very interesting where the question should the county of molly charge for responsible parties for the service in other words if they went out and did something and then got into trouble should we charge and i thought the two high ones was helicopter rescue and mountain rescue i thought that was really stood out you know compared to all the rest  and if you want to make a quick comment on that because i believe a lot of people in their mind believe these are visitors they get into trouble although it's not always true because i just remember the last one that just happened was to residents from lima they got in trouble comments on page twenty one twenty one and i are very interesting and if you look at ocean rescue it goes the opposite direction yes because i believe that could be an assumption of who might be  being rescued or on a boat or it's all dependent on what they think that means to them but very good comment on your point that it is a white base of people that we do  rescue we are trying to keep statistics for the last year now on whether it's visitor versus resident and the that is six will help us  make further decisions on this and yes we do think about that but you know one of the comments if you look on the second comment below that graph is that people are fearful of not calling because the fear of getting charged you know whether you could have got out on your own or not get out on your own and then who makes the call is that the person a person in trouble that makes the call or is that somebody else that makes the call so there's a lot of different things that need to be looked at on the actual possibility of charging and then who actually does that do we have another division that takes care of that do we have a third party that does that and is there citations along with that you know because a lot times it will be on state property or federal property how does that work and how do we mesh those agencies together so that we can you know make a decision on where we're going to go i think it's been a topic of discussion for many years i think the amount of calls at this point in time wouldn't be cost effective i think and it's an opinion based on on whether it's residents and or visitors how do you make that happen so i think you know another study of some sort would be good like i said we just started a little over a year ago doing the actual resident vs visitor cult and that was through talks about t t revenue in all of these different things so that was something that we worked on statewide all the departments are now doing it so i know in a few years we'll be able to give you some really good data on that and then we could probably take that up and see where we could move forward but thank you for the opportunity for going and thank you because i think you bring up a good point you know t t is part of our discussion visitor who utilizes your department a lot and i know because i worked in the hotel and i realized how many times we had to qualify to buy me when we had a challenge is really a trickle and saw some of that has to be borne in that respect and we have to have the sta have a better understanding on how much experience we've put out doing these safety related health we dated issues throughout the county so if there's not a further discussion i would like to recommend the finding of communication sixteen fifty points that we should have addition discussion and one of the things that i would like more discussion is especially the point that he brought up about the department not being able to currently transport by law if th refuse to transport because now and e r doctor is making a determination bit of the person in the right facility that might be imminent you should indeed be there should transport or not somebody else should already have that in the process is that if so is so those enough occur this is the next option or step of action and the key is to save the individual and i don't want them in that is safety decision backed up by the may have to it collaboration and the individual still feel to violate that vice of hazard i don't have a problem charging for that because now we're asking to put our own employees like the firefighter in jeopardy to see if someone who was told to enter a dangerous situation and then what happens if our employee no gets hurt or dies i don't need more litigation and settlements you know and i need to ask you guys especially the five going to hear they can be our next meeting because i can bring this back or i think we do a later date to give let the chief get some more information well let me let me cover a couple areas real quickly so you understand that no matter what you flying back is still an hour and a half to get back minimal i've been there done that i have waited for the ambulance to come back to you to transport so to give them permission to transpire would be in extreme cases wouldn't would be ideal very similar and if you go up country especially go to our lady she's like all apollo crew and all the all those areas see a curse so that's one area that i'm not sure if we even if we change the law that we'd be willing to pick up the tab because that's exactly what we're going to be  looking at the system in on the big island i know because my brother in law works in it is not an easy system to work they have a lot of challenges they actually like to go back to what we're doing versus what they're doing but that they should have said that's not my information but it's not easy and i'd like to see first of all chief thank you very much for a very comprehensive report i think this really covers a lot of areas that we discuss all the time and the financial aspect and i hope when we go to the table looking for more t t and all that that the fire departments in other areas will be coming with us as as a partner looking for that additional funding for which we will we deserve when we need we we should be getting it yeah so not to bel you thank you very much members for you know being so diligent i do apologize that we have so many things going on we quickly can you make it on the sixth miss cochran nine o'clock i'm putting on the spot but i got to that's a tuesday september sixth tuesday nine i just don't want just bare point to make these decisions ok so if you can be here and as far as i can see right now we look like we have seven or eight very very please thank you members for your understanding and with no further do i will remind