the don't want way to thank you and then we'll go to chance there is no one here waiting to fight thank you so much levy's anyone else wishing to provide to someone in the chambers seen on members just to moni for today's meeting show we closed with no objection objection thank you so ordered item this is regarding under the heading of every tasing in sight of county transit buses and we have a communication from our transportation director with a proposed bill entitled the bill for an ordinance amending title the levin why we county code relating to every time using in site county transit buses and the purpose of this bill is to offer every tasing in sight county transit buses to available basis and to authorize the department of transportation to contract forever ties in with private vendors so this morning the last of the apartment for the comments on this sorry director  said werner for her thoughts aloha committee members chair i really appreciate the opportunity to discuss this bill i know we've talked about generating revenues and this was principally why we brought the issue forward the other thing that will need to be done if this bill should pass from committee is there is a section currently and we have already spoken with the straight and they're prepared to also amend the section of the rates and fees because i think we currently have a rock card rate listed in the rates and fees  any advertising and just to explain why this is coming actually forward rather than our departments doing advertising which we really don't have currently that has that kind of marketing capability right now it is actually costing our department because we have to pay overtime to one of our employees to go out and change the non profit cards in the busses we actually are not generating any revenue it's probably costing the county money to do the nonprofit advertising so in an effort to move things forward in no way that is similar to what other jurisdictions have done more specifically city and county of honolulu they have had a great deal of success i think the last check that i made they generated and you know it may be a little bit higher since the last time i checked but i think with their buses they generated one hundred eighty four thousand dollars annual revenue and they have one company that they went out to bid for that they procured their services and so the company does the marketing they do all of the changing of the cards they do whatever they can to get national corporation sponsorship and i think it is really worked well to help subsidize the bus transportation they have a total i think it's five hundred forty buses and that range and we would be looking at thirty three buses so we would be looking for some type of similar arrangement though for capability of generating revenue for the county to help subsidize our bus transportation so with that authority it would change at least the way we're actually advertising you know we're currently we're only doing the nonprofit portion which really doesn't generate any revenue so we really appreciate your consideration and we're here to try to answer any questions that you might have thank you ok thank you so much president did he have any comments he'd like to share hi good morning chair and committee members based on that calculation it's probably unlikely that we would be able to cover our costs because a three hundred thirty dollars a bus we would end up with maybe ten thousand and eleven thousand probably the first the first year but a course we don't know because we haven't gone out to bid yet our cost on the cards may be structured differently than the city and county has the set up i believe they get thirty three percent of the overdue overall out revenues generated i think that's ok there's a structure but then they have a minimum cost also attached so we could set a minimum and we would look at what potential we would have for generating in terms of revenue and we would say they have to generate a minimum per month in terms of whatever they compensate the county for so it's up to them how effectively they market if they have to pay that minimum so we would be looking at their contract how it's currently set up we've been approached by a few vendors some of them also are looking at video display as which currently is city and county does not have which could generate additional revenues provided we have the electrical capacity so it doesn't you know drain any of and we have very very limited i guess service on the pos so we don't want to overload that but that was one of the options from i think that because what they're doing is they're providing the equipment and all of the other things and it would probably depend on how many times that was displayed they really didn't have until we actually put out a request for their proposal i would think personally myself that if it's more attractive if it's going to generate a little bit more revenue i would think they would have you know maybe the capability to generate at least an additional fifteen to twenty percent with that kind of advertising and do they provide any examples of words been put into place in other municipalities actually even though it's you know currently installed in some of the vehicles like if you notice over on e they have these little video display units  what we'd probably be looking at is something not as you know com complicated as that maybe only a couple areas where you could actually view a video or even a scrolling message that's a possibility to what they did not indicate you know exactly i know that las vegas is one of their big areas because i've actually seen these i don't know if this specific vendor has that as their market but i know they're trying to break in to the whole why market largely done in two or buses you know to do messaging timeshare sales you know a lot of the a lot of the companies use that an and change these messages for the nonprofits for which i understand they don't pay anything you know i think that's one of those things that if we're going to be helping we can't be also incurring more cost vendors i don't know ten dollars five dollars a month i don't know what it might be but to me if we're going to keep incurring costs and i want to help the nonprofits yes richer or not this is an added expense on top of what all the other services and monies we provide for them i'm kind of like war maybe this is not such a great idea but again i don't know weiner maybe you have something you could like you would like to add to that yes we did look at that aspect and we did discuss that ad wall says the company that actually does the city in county is advertising and they agreed that they would also change out all the non profit signs as well so we would not be incurring that they would do that just as an incentive to get whatever the bid is but whatever we go in a procurement it's going to be a little bit different than city and counties because you know we're a totally different type of market and so for us i would be putting in that whoever the vendor is would include that in their particular proposal and share if we can get somebody something i would not really agree to you know i think we do a lot for our nonprofits there seems to be just like you say mr karma just another gift to them and maybe that maybe there's a limit to the gifting and you know i've always been a supporter maybe i'm not so sure on this last one but if we can get a vendor to do it in inclusive with their contract then i'd say no problem i'd be all for it thank you and thank you and just so you know the individual tycho's out has to go out at eleven o'clock at night when all the busses are in so it's not something we change them out about once a month so it's not like a huge expense but then facilities to their benefit is going to pay us for it i'm tired of eating it so i'm going to find ways for the somebody else to pay for it mr white i think a chair and i'm assuming that when slight short discussion with our staff there is a recent supreme court ruling regarding selections and i guess what was the term please mr molina that we should be aware of think that's any has anything to do with discrimination if if you're if you're wanting something for free you stand in line behind those that are getting the opportunity to prove it only if they're paid so if we were allowing you know discrimination between nonprofit versus for profit all of the same playing field that then i think we would be you know going in the wrong direction  request more time to really dig the findings of the courts and see how it applies to this code section because what i heard would you i heard you say that we may not be able to bar certain types of advertising if they want to advertise and maybe we need to check more into it but i think that's important to understand too i don't think it's so much profit nonprofit i think it's who we are to advertise and we've had a pretty corridor in that respect  counsel's consideration director that it's my intention any concerns that's fine in you know because that was the area that your staff had alerted us to was something that we were unaware of so that was not even an area that we were going to change you know so if there is some type of new legislation that requires permitting certain types of advertising to be shown or not discriminated against i can understand that so i agree with you and i'll be happy to work with you and also our budget director to to make sure that please chief thank you very much for joining us this morning on this specific country part of the reasons we've asked you to help joining us this morning is we've noticed a continued increases of cross in this area they would ask for your comments regarding the increases in we also have in our part of the country to extend it to june thirtieth two thousand and sixteen so we're asking if you could to speak speak specifically on this item for us this morning please all right thank you chair good morning members thank you for the opportunity to address this contract  rescue helicopter and we also use it for firefighting as well because we know you've been busy this fiscal year so for a chief so we understand the need of also unforseen issues with this contract as far as you know them being able to operate properly but i think this is the best system that i have seen thus far and we understand that we just as we are and how we compare with your sister departments in the state all the other counties coyly and big island they all on their own helicopters  this contract i think a long with those contracts they own their helicopters they still have to do maintenance contracts because none of the departments have maintenance helicopter maintenance within their departments so those things need to be contractors or all along with pilots in some jurisdictions they have they're all pilots that they train but most of the other qualities have to hire out for that process as well so if you look at all of the issues and the positives of this contract and the costs annually i believe this is the most efficient within the state of o staff do we have some kind of analysis that we receive that justifies the and supports the chief's comments and so i'm trying to understand it because again you know for me the increase is very noticeable and i'm just trying to have a good understanding where and why these increases are this is just a one time thing and if you look at the smaller requests year fifteen was seven eighty four that's the nodded in numbers i don't know if there's any other recent you know invoices that we're going to be paid later but you can yeah i did increase in the last couple of years fourteen and fifteen over the twelve and thirteen numbers on the budget for it includes some level of you know just in case there's this would be the amendment of this contract period as you folks understand it because this amendment is to note that yes there would be though the ending of that four year option kitty appreciate it confirmation chief mr white questions thank you chair i tend to agree with the chief because if you if you look at the various fire situations that we've encountered my understanding is that in addition to the base we have access to multiple birds right yes or so we you know we're not in a situation where we have one one helicopter and that's all got or two helicopters that's all we've got and we've actually got the ability to i've seen like three in the air and yes i know how many are available to have they have four ok and a lot of time saw they might be doing some industrial work on another island with one of them you know so you know having access to multiple helicopters in my view is you know if we had to pay to outfit maintain and put pilots in four different helicopters or have access to that over a an annual period we'd be looking at a big chunk of money so i don't recall what the base amount is and what the per hour charges are but i think you know if the ch has it at some point if you could provide us with with what that with what the actual costs are based on our call outs i think i think might be and the other counties and then compare that to what what we've got and i think we're going to come out well ahead as far as ability is ability to respond effectively to see what the cost factors are versus the other colonies and you are correct mr chair we're unique because we have three islands within our colony and i guess if there was an emergency on a whole lot we would respond because that is still part of our county just so when you start laying off it's already on top of the fact that we have some of the most remote areas not to say that big i live in co why in other counties don't have from areas and i understand that lead me we've had on number of incidents for which visitors and sometimes even locals do not heed warnings and go out and endeavor and get themselves into trouble and if you us here so we know we definitely need that chief one of the questions i have for you do you have specially trained members of your fire department that go with be called upon and want to extract somebody from you know a situation where they are caught in floodwaters and they're trapped or or somebody has gotten hurt that needs to be brought out that way you know so your personal are trained for that purpose and that purpose only understanding honolulu is the only one that has employees that are from the fire department that actually fly that actually fly well and understand how a little recently two of their fire helicopters were down simultaneously and became a real challenge because then they were depending on the police helicopter and private helicopter to come in and help them right in you know i believe one of the police helicopters down at the same time to see you know  thank you for that question because the maintenance and yes thank you having that availabilities is the utmost priority so those are examples of situations that don't really work out and we one of the other things that we need to talk about is the actual operating permitting process of what actually needs to get done by the contractor which is a lot of work and a lot of money that also goes into the contract so you know and i know the owner when w him for many many years very dependable and as well as a reliable he's also been a very strong community member so you know it's something that i feel very comfortable with this whole situation yeah good to compare it to emergencies do not happen from nine to five it always happens at the most awkward times at the most most difficult point of the day and then you're putting our people out there and i like to know that whoever sticking them into these remote areas to help with season and rescues that they have provided the best equipment to protect our personnel as well as bringing out whenever whether it's a visitor or a resident bringing them back safely should that you know rescue be desired conducted our helicopter can get into limited space areas whereas the medivac helicopter cannot and they have areas that they can land safely and then what we'll will do exactly what you said his will do that drop off will do the packaging get everything all set and then they'll be flown to the nearest hospital and then in the chain of control regarding the patient your people then handed off to the e m s personnel ye how we really operate and the chief made it clear what the department's responsible when he send it off to the next medical personnel which is the m s and then eventually the physician receiving facility so we appreciate that mr victory you know quickly and it's not only for the area ambulance in many cases especially fish are local and they can be transported to our local hospital you meet the person i e amasses at a certain location for which that person is dropped off put in an ambulance and then rushed to the hospital wherever it may be absolutely the family is usually for the nearby situations and their medivac is for areas of long distance usually ok so i just wanted to be clear that it's not always the air air air back but in many cases it is the ambulance service that waits for that to be dropped off at a certain location and then brings them into the hospital it's a high percentage actually to the ambulance more so than the air ok thank you thank you thank you you know we appreciate the chief's responses to the committee's questions and the have a clear understanding of how the executed is it seventeen sixteen years estates mister looking at the contract document the time or performance was amended performance through june thirtieth two thousand and fifteen the second additional term was through june thirtieth two thousand and sixteen and there's still i believe one you're looking at is you're correct in reading it in this amendment is only effective until june thirtieth of two thousand and sixteen because that's but there's another option to extend the contract for one more year  eight july eighteenth two thousand and fourteen it is running for up to two thousand and fifteen so then you're saying two additional twelve months from june thirtieth two thousand and fifteen is that what that is referring to june two thousand and sixteen and i believe they have one more amendment that they are allowed to stand and that is what chief has just mentioned so since we are going to receive  a better understanding of your operations regarding how to cup the service thank you for the opportunity report what they believe is the appropriate distribution of administrative support costs to all county operating departments divisions and programs be a dish eighty seven complaint cost allocation appropriate distribution of administrative a support costs to all county operating departments divisions and program relating to state and federal grant reimbursement committee members mark walker deputy director department of finance i guess nobody has a copy of both of these plans before you and just a bit of history prior to engaging the matrix group i think in the latter part of two thousand and thirteen the county had not done an update to their m b or their full cost allocation plans in approximately ten and it came up with the reports you see before you the results as you might expect the the prior plans had been done for ten years where that costs had got up significantly i'm sure many departments were surprised that's probably not the operative word but maybe upset at what you know their new costs for overhead were based on this plan but you know these guys this is what they do for a living you know and i think i can understand why they're upset because it's suddenly that that's affecting their operations the cost of their operations and i guess i would what i would say to the committee is we would be willing to go out and do another plan you know this year or next year we haven't budgeted for that at this point but if that was the wish or want to the committee that was certainly something that we could do otherwise i think we're here to i'm here to help answer any questions you may have along is something that is help to define what the mental costs are of the different units of government that we have and it's a study that is done to identify costs of different cost centers and also some of the serving agencies so that we can we can try to truly match up what the costs are of an operation including you know the overhead things that we consider lake normal overhead things that you consider like fringe benefits but things like our corporation council costs things like ministry of costs council legislative costs and those costs then are identified and presented in this document here there's two different documents one is a full cost allocation plan which is basically an identification of provided so that we can make sure that we're charging overhead to the federal grants appropriately and the basis of that be you know eighty seven cost allocation plan will be negotiation with the federal government on an indirect cost rate and that's something that we're going on so that we can make sure that we're covering our costs there's basically two different ways to recover cost from federal grants one is the very detailed compilation of actual costs up to certain restrictions that the grand tour may have or the second get away from that because the amount of work it takes to make sure that everybody's time sheets are appropriate and every single invoices allowable costs and different things makes it very challenging to to administer and to verify so they actually want us to move towards indirect cost rate and so that's what the county is working on here a lot of the federal grants that we apply for they expect us to have an indirect cost rate and so this is in definitely we're to have this be eighty seven compliant cost allocation plan if we're going to charge anything so that's why the justification for these are that you know it's really one is of course a federal grants and making sure that we're trying to correct overhead but the other is something that you know and other organizations do government while you know that's the case what happens is that you know because those general government costs have typically just been absorbed by the general fund the idea of us recouping the actual  time and you know as the deputy director mentioned just happened to be that the last time cost allocation plan was done was one thousand the late ninety's you know the water department was still autonomy the department of public works was still managing the environmental management aspects there had there's some new departments different things like that so we want to make sure that you know we're trying to do the best to accurately reflect what those costs are and then if appropriate charge those costs to the special fund so that we're making sure that we're budgeting appropriately for it and not overburdening  taxpayers to pay support especially the ones that are fee based special fund so basically that's the gist of why we're doing it and i agree with the deputy director that you know this is the first time it was done in twelve thirteen years and i think that the understanding of maybe some of the requirements and what's involved in  was could have been better and so if we do another one in a timely manner then everybody's been through it one time we can do it again and will be more aware of the questions is that the consultants are asking and  costs allocation is a concern to this committee because we definitely have other places to put those county dollars also saying that the committee if they have questions  regarding this distribution of costs mr white i'm trying to find some of the pages that i went through during budget but now find it very quickly my challenge is that i understand we're going with this understand the appropriateness but the degree of change in a very short period pretty dramatic and i'm not going to recall the numbers exactly but my recollection is that the entire increase in the water rates to the money that we generated by the water rate increase last year was completely wiped out by the change and the cost allocation which i believe went up by about four million dollars so we increased everybody's water rates and then took virtually that entire increase and put it back in the general fund now i know that that that helps keep taxes down and we're putting the costs where they probably appropriately should be but as they alluded to has a pretty major impact on the various departments that that have been subject to these new allocations i don't believe it's you know four million something in the water department three million and something and and waste water and another two or three and solid waste so it's a pretty bitter pill for some of the departments of swallow but i can't find pages that i'm i was plan in in thirteen or fourteen years that's really why you saw those dramatic cost increases so it wasn't and again you know specifically for the water department there they're being now being you know a part of the organization is a drastic change you know and so something should have probably happened at that point to look at their cost allocation and see you know now that you're a county department things might be different than being semiautonomous if you look at page seventy nine of the full cost allocation plan this is the allocation detail corporation can i like to pick on  for their legal services basically there's you see there's a first pass and a second pass and i think i explained before but the first pass is the direct cost the second passes are you know their own counsel overhead would be and so that's why you see this total number of two hundred eighty five thousand dollars and you know so if you think about what it probably was before it was something very small i forget what the percentage was like three three and a half percent was the overhead charge for water supply up into this report and  after this report even the water supply got the biggest number increase their their actual allocation is the least their percentage allocation of the cost over it cost is is the least of any of the special funds because they have their own finance section and different things like that so if you look at it you know well the dollar amount is what i hear there are senators there though are the lowest percentage because they have a lot of their own internal operations too but are both of you satisfied having gone through the report they i would cations or fair and appropriate i honestly had some questions in the console when the first the first draft that they presented to us i did scrutinize it very very significantly and scrutinize their their methodologies a lot and they came to a point where you know because i don't have the time to do that otherwise i do that the cost allocation plan myself but i don't have the time or expertise to do that we have to trust the consultants expertise in a certain areas but their methodology is are something that i was concerned with they explained to my satisfaction but again i it's based on the information they get as well so if we do another one here should a short amount of time i think it will be a lot better understood by the people providing the information to the consultants so that the end outcome will be a better and outcome ok thank you thank you thank you questions mr carroll it's a victory you know thank there's no it's not like we created new costs or increased budgets or anything because of the plan it was just that we're now having a better way of allocating those costs that we had already incurred essence you have a better way of tracking it all so you know specifically what the cost factors are for these various departments and in that you know even though the water department had been semi  you know but thank you mr boss because i think this is a good way of us beginning to realize the true overhead expense that we are the various departments whether it's water or any special fund or any of the other departments so i missed the mark you want to say something because you costs for general fund funded departments those costs are not you know discreetly expressed to you guys because it's all in the fringe benefits and countywide costs in the department of finance and so if you actually want services or anything like that those those are all included here what the overhead costs which are still being you know the general fund funded so there's no sense of making a transfer but if you wanted to identify with those who are the those are shown in this type of report  and i know you know in some areas it be nice to identify those costs you know within the budget itself but you know we've made a point to make sure that it's consolidated so it all gets paid try guess i just want to add that i mean the goal to get is to adequately for each department adequately express what their true costs of providing the services so that they can price their service appropriately now i think after we've done this there the part where there were different ways they allocated the costs it could have been on headcount it could be a square footage it could be on the types of the number of forms that were processed in here so it just depends on their operation and the consultants take the best way to allocate those cost based on their operating activities so i think as the budget director alluded to we learned a lot here and i think if we were to do it  again we'd already have a foundation other departments would be more aware of what the consult was getting out not that they would hide information on cost that kind of stuff because a lot of it's budget related except but that potentially there might we could get maybe a more accurate  tally on what their true overhead costs are thank you thank you thank you the true overhead costs are reflected in the water department and the course and then the debt service different things like that but the each one of those also has an administrative overhead charge that budget allocation of the administrative overhead charge is what we're talking about and the the department of finances kind of cost there's an inner fund reimbursement line that where that shows a negative amount of the money coming in you know so that you have the not double the cost of the admin overhead is strictly from the full cost allocation plan which is not including fringe benefit costs it's the actual costs of the general fund or the department's providing services right i'd like to see us at least get an estimated cost  of what the what the fringe benefit costs are by department or we can we can probably estimate that but i think would be good for the public to know exactly what all the other departments true costs are and the fringe benefits make up a significant amount of what it cost for us to run the parks for example and i think it's important for everyone to see what we are actually spending to run parks planning and various other departments the other thing i recall during budget was that when we were looking at our allocations compared to other counties where you look at the county of cohen and they basically don't allocate any cost of their water department but they they do allocate a significant amount of revenue forty thousand dollars or something for the fire hydrants the county pays the water department two hundred forty thousand dollars for fire hydrants my recollection is on the island of co it was two point four three point six million dollars that the county pays the water department so if we're going to allocate charges then we should also allocate revenues differently because to say that  the maintenance of the fire to fire hydrants is costing quite here three point six million we're getting two dollars or two hundred forty something thousand we're asking them to pay for i think clarity of where we put their money and how it's being used is critical to increase confidence in what we do on a day to day basis so mr buzz it is your intent to for the be utilizing the same percentage of cost allocation as in the previous year that's correct until they do a new study so not sure if he's going to be the director is going to be including  have this is something i guess we need to be more aware of when receiving the grant you know if we can't charge overhead to those grants then it has to be consideration ministration and the council except that grant you know with the full knowledge that that grant is going to require us to match a certain extent so if it's not a one hundred percent grant funded where they're covering all of the overhead and fringe benefits then you know like the federal the federal ones for our transportation for our highways we know specifically that we have to put in twenty percent or so so it's with that knowledge that you accept that award  kind of determination of you know do we you know how that would impact the program or the understanding that we believe this program is is a good program and we want to continue the program so  understand that we're going to be you know matching that graph with a certain amount as well i would approach it for the upcoming budget that the grant takes care of one hundred percent or make recommendations on adjustments including reduction of staff mr white i think it just brings up an interesting question when we are doing a highway project with a twenty share in a federal government is the twenty percent or putting in inclusive of just the cost for the for the road or costs are included as part of those matching so if it's designed cost engineering costs acquisition costs and anything we do up to the point and then so we actually comes to paving the road the feds may actually pay for one hundred percent of the actual paving of the road because we've already incurred our twenty percent match and the other thing is they actually feds actually reimburse us for engineering our engineers on the fourth floor some of  their labor costs as well getting reimbursed by the feds for the matching you know if we've reached that twenty percent already my question though is you've got a cost allocation for public works as well other overhead right great are we able as public works able to add that any portion of the overhead cost to the cost of the engineering and all the other items that are included in the project  i'd assume so but i have to verify that it's actually being done when because when the project gets approved by the federal government we have the all the costs included in there so i'll work with the director of public works to verify that i just be interested to know if we're able to increase our twenty percent by adding the overhead allocation that comes from other parts of the county not public works out time for your day we are going to have a quorum issue shortly but i want you to know that we are going to have a discussion on that consideration up forty nine which is whether or not we should contract for a performance audit of all we county's grants and i'm going to be working with people like under her subject matter grants i'll be working with mr guzmn record in his area of grants particularly are economic development components and so for those of you that have prepared we will be bringing you would question your you to be returning to the committee to share your comments with us a part of this of course is to see how we are operating the grants program under forty nine and whether or not we can be improvements as well as get the better efficiencies of using county dollars to provide services the county does not directly provide but through contracts we provide safety net in other services the community has continued to be requests that the county consider so  so ordered let me direct you to be a fifty two dish which is the use of county property by concession grant lease license permit and vendor license according to  tell you as you chair there's been a lot of community comment to me regarding why certain things are the way they are and why other entities do not have the ability to put forward a consideration to the county to departments of parks and recreation i know that they are working on adjustments to them are we county code open to trying to move this department to an enterprise status whereby it will be a new  area revenue generation and not just be an expense and see how we can then improve services and programs within parks and recreation department with that i'm go any comments regarding the current policy of this use in the field as any additional comments for consideration think mr chair i do not have any really open comments you know this intention one and it won't be done in this meeting this leak but i'm looking forward to modernizing the creating a more appropriate policy of all the county will utilize his assets and what is fair for those who want to and then leader will ask for a nance as the gate keeper for their comments this ressam you soon i will comment thank you for being here this morning thank you so the leases that we have first the cool agriculture park and all the tenants there and i think the is about thirty you know we've turned it over to a nonprofit which is like a pacific for that building that has a building has been a challenge for them to lease it out completely in the incubator status that they've  they've tried and also the restaurant and so if you're asking kid they bear rent increase i would say at this point not and they've tried many many ways to make that building profitable so that's something that would have to explore further with them community theater i think that for this all to sturrock building they do an amazing job in taking care of it we give them a very small granted think it's around sixty thousand per year and i think considering all of the structural work that they've had to continue doing to keep that historic building going i think that they're doing an amazing job for a very small amount of grant money that we're giving them and really a lot of the money a lot of the revenue that they gain from all of the events that they have they do plow right back into taking care of that building with regarding this subject i didn't have a lot of time to think of this when i saw this item on the agenda so i think that that's something that would like to consider i i think honestly th the leases are being managed you know probably as close to what they can be and i think our part is to try to keep the entities as profitable as possible so that we don't have to turn around and plow more money mark county funds into them for instance all my high school will be coming with a proposal soon that will alleviate the us giving them an eighty thousand dollars grant to take care of  them owing and take care of the roofs you know we'll be putting that on to the new lessee is that they'll be taking care of the entire property so the county can save eighty thousand dollars a year so it's that kind of thing that we would want to be looking at that  the leases are very reasonable and make sure that the economic development is taking place that we want on those properties and that we're not having to add money to it that's that would be my goal  and again i'm just aware of what her directors are shared with me so i want to come in the department one for being open to looking at new ways approaching their expenses and trying to improve services because there is a lot of requests for use on our county parks facilities you know if you can give us some comments from your department's perspective would appreciate it this  changes to the code in the as it relates to parks and the other is a change to the appendix b rates and fees related to those parks and i know the deputy director and the director had worked on this for a significant period of time to get it ready for transmittal and we hope that it is something that is reviewed because you know it's the goal of the department to figure out how to as you mentioned generate more revenue rather than i mean parks are our wonderful community benefit but those that are have the ability to to generate revenue we should be trying to generate revenue as well so s abolished the committee and b actually set guidelines standards for each piece or license that the county executed and it kind of seems like we need those parameters again and where we're trying hard to do that but there's different levels a lot of our properties are state owned nichols before the board of land and natural resources before it gets to you folks where people so it's like we try to standardize the terms like they and rental fee the number of years because that's when a lot of people are saying you know this group had fifty years how come we're getting only fifteen years and so it's like you know it's it's good to be to have a standard term and  i think established and that's the only thing that i could really recommend at this point but we've been working with the other departments well and getting it through but at times b do have a stumbling block with this in getting those approval so we have a lot of agreement there and we're looking forward to that being approved so we can further so that soon during the state approval in your perspective yes a lot of our in them are obtained through the order because the state owns that and that's kind of like the first step and we wouldn't have that extra step to take but they were trying our best you know you folks are doing i can see some really good work in your department i take it seriously though you comment that the members questions for the parks representative this morning thank you so much for your presence mr schumer it's a victory and i want to check with you because if you have a few moments i'm going to ask but if you have to leave i'm going to cut it at this point in time i really have to i claim no no no no again you've gave that advance notification again i understand my apologies to him and concerns and finance  giving you your opportunity at this meeting to give your comments but we will have this discussion again i consider this something very important to update and make current on how we approach the use of crony property