energy task force is studying various locations that actually isn't true we have studied locates they were shot down so if nobody objects i'm going to make that change you know  it's the first like big block because everything else is a picture of doesn't mean you have to you know make it forward thinking as opposed to to looking back i think i wouldn't use the would it be better to say what if what we do want to be there's no parking in the front there has to be landscaping for fifty feet or whatever it is you know and i would i don't think we should just make them up i think we would lend you a little research or have to do a little research about what kinds saying doesn't matter what it is it's being built that you know it's not getting to use at all it's just helping with the idea of this being a gateway to share in this in between space with a view and you know what is are there things that we can do to try and conserve that you know and have development so that the dear the language is for every district we want to have this kind of character statement for each district or are we primarily concerned with commercial district which is the only thing that i mean i would volunteer we should do each district but i mean i think this is the bear we need to wrestle the most so i mean we can probably i'm i'm comfortable with the steeply pitched roof or greater depth to me here's a little closer to the form that is code that has made me a little uncomfortable well i think that we're going back we don't have to follow this one right mean there's there's form based code at one end of the spectrum then there's nothing and then in between seems to be like design guidelines is kind of what i see a lot of different things and this is even combining those two things together because it's that design sanders doesn't say anything about character and everybody just says here can look at tonight because that did get loaded is the table of uses and maybe in looking at the table of uses that'll get i i don't know why i really kind of want to leave it up to you guys because my brain was all wrapped around oh good we're going to do the definitions we can try to come up with so i can take away some language in what we think is the character of the districts and i certainly don't mind doing that well i mean because we have to we we sort of got to do a little bit last meeting talking about you know we talked about access and you know having off the main road i mean there was a few points that we started to get her arms around and i don't think there was any really difficult we're gardeners we have to your point given what's there i'm not sure that that is like the greatest spot to have a commercial district in town right like i would like public structure then from for going forward we should define the character of that area as residential and that's what we should define it as or if we should define it as commercial industrial not retail or only that's right and i think one thing that we talk a little bit here and there will say i think some agreement on that is having a maximum size you know if we're concerned about big box stores if we're concerned about that sort of thing things that you haven't ever tell us which is why it hasn't work well we can't afford to do everything right so we have to pick and choose riverside has public water right right and yes you have a gas line or two right i mean what's that so you know it's so then the question of if there is you know if you're if you're if we're going to sort of define the character do we care what is operating within the beautiful looking characteristics all those things together and it might serve us well we separate them code or not but think about them differently so i wrote down some definitions literally i must read twenty  and this is kind of the summary so in there is like neighborhood commercial new hood cluster national neighborhood service definitely like some of them are bigger towns but not all of them so service commercial is retail service office least space in attributes or access to customers and residential areas central city village areas and where you're certainly not creating or producing so  village centers intentionally or villages or village districts or without those kinds of business and industrial manufacturing production wholesale factories warehouse generally on the outskirts of cities where you have a lot of space building materials sales junkyards wholesale business storage lot auto sales auto tele construction storage and economically increased tourism as a whole kind of category in those things and i think when you look at the survey it seems like people want the service commercial heart and the last of the industrial parks and we're trying to find space for something that we don't have we don't have really the infrastructure to support and the community in general is not in favor of encouraging national partially because of the infrastructure isn't there and there seems to be consensus it's not that's not the right location so if it is retail service and resident and residential we're not residential what we need to you know is if there is a commercial district do we change it to a different type of commercial district and what do we need to change so that it's looked it doesn't it isn't one continuous village over which hell  interesting things all this chatter writing all this arguing about i don't mean that in the negative way but oh yeah no i'm saying all arguing about what it should be what it is what it is it works what it is doing nothing is really going on and there's only like three brings his property of work me connection you have an interior road there nothing's really going to happen and the biggest barrier to any of that happening is there's no water from us it's the common water system that feeds jericho east and jerky side of fifteen that is still commercial district is a big thing in there that's considered commercial district and you know some degree i feel like we should just get rid of it shouldn't even be that nobody can walk right one of the other you're not arguing against our current system of subdivisions is that it's all commercial and if you want to do anything you have to get in your car on the other hand there is i mean people when you interview people they development in the commercial district so that we can further evaluate well ok so like what's the deal do we really want to stop retail development or is that what we want do you want service there or do we want a m a factory there or like it or do we want mixed use the problem is if we allow mixed use then we are getting away from it becomes a magnet for the things that we want to go down in riverside if we allow a grocery store  in there then we're not going to get another grocery store in riverside or sort of trying to push those things right to reside to develop that right because as a developer you say you look at most what i want in the commercial district depending right so i'm not i'm not arguing for one you have been the one scenario or the other i'm just saying it's like it just seems really weird to me what's going on not it just seems odd to me to pretend at this point that it's historically was a lumber yard right yes it was a lumber yard that's kind of evolved into but it still sells building supplies so i could in my mind kind of justify that is light industrial contractor the real outl merchant bank is that commercial words that are t is to use the least amount of metal land as possible and to develop where there is existing well there are a lot of places that have that like you can't dryer that hot probably limited other commercial and industrial uses that would last compatible with like more residential areas right right so that's a limiting know no they this was the last time we were here fifteen years ago they came before as a d or b and they wanted to change the designation of or at least have conditional use for residential rather than just be commercial that was their if the town would like to see more light industrial and or service oriented or retail oriented development on that property then the town would probably have to make the investment of putting water i think the removing it from the commercial district goes more with the option of encouraging light using that area as a location for later industrial and whatever us here but i have the most recent and you all got that the language of the commercial district and maybe we just can't read that sure without having it up on the screen this is this is the language from the blackboard this is our language it's it's what catherine just sent to us so you just are just trying to yeah the commercial district contains land on both sides of route fifteen between raceway and or roads the primary purpose of the commercial district is to provide employment opportunities and a location for minimal impact commercial enterprises that cannot or should not be located in the village center district and i think here is we need to say why but generally this refers to light industrial or commercial uses that rely on trucks and or heavy equipment that would come into conflict with pedestrians and to a residential use of the village center district never mind just while roadside visibility is important for the viability of some businesses measures should be taken to prevent the appearance of strip development curb cuts should be limited to avoid impeding circulation on route fifteen and interior circulated to roads may be required on larger parcels so we can change that was really kind of the basis for objecting to the dollar general wasn't discriminating against the dollar general it was saying if you're going to have this kind of a store it should be in a village center and that or found it he was i feel my interpretation was that he was saying how preposterous it was that the only way that a developer would know what should or shouldn't because the table of uses allows both and there's a sign that businesses are all back there that you don't get to have a big sign on the part of your business you don't have parking on roofs for you know any construction and i guess i think that makes sense regardless of this little sliver right here this guy this is a piece of property here so this is i don't know if that's in the residential district i think it's not care there i know the one piece i do know is that there is there is there are so oils mass around now and they're not incredibly happy because they over here when my father love builds his little development not necessarily a scarce resource but is it you know with which is the land more valuable land or more valuable what do you mean by a right  sorry i'm not sure i mean i am all for saving good eggplant but if it hasn't been farmed in a long time then it can be used for other things since it's hard to say this should be agriculture if nobody is jumping on it to say you know i want to yes you could feasibly connect but the other stuff errol chiropractic there's not that can't here in this little island so yeah but is there another lot that can be developed that where i mean it it seems to me that there probably are some topography challenges or there might have been things put there are already connections  let's go back to what we can sort of do without with all of us not having the same graphics and that's again the sell side and john you seem to you don't want it to be just residential but wh going to be i think from a i think useful for i think from a traffic flow standpoint do you want to create there already are a lot of traffic stops taking place on the cherry hill side right people are then you're pretty then you're precluding the although stops on a roof if teenager or you're limiting or hopefully bypassing a lot of those right so then your inner circle say is on the east side of jerry of the benefits here and so the biggest drawback that i see from knowing that region and look at this is you know the owner of the store going to say i was my parking well wouldn't you know you'd have to supply a parking somehow but around the back of the building or something i don't know i mean it seems reasonable it stops are now and currently you know we're facilitating no uses and the curb cut is already there right and there is less if it was less justifiable when there was a video store and people went right to what we always did is the right place in order to serious what was that to make recommendations location or you know what you know but we can say that curb cuts new curb cuts should not be placed on the main road unless it's oh there's a lot of ways so let's back up those if we have a personal map and we sort of have a little bit of a better understanding of where we're where it would be put where anybody could put the road irrespective of the curb i mean  yeah i keep going back to because i like having some kind of determination to the south side do we want to leave it the is currently which is to provide moderate density residential area as a transition from the village center districts the village district intended to provide for right you housing options next and single and more family near the breakfast you can have of that you can have a small garden center a farmer's market a gallery a museum a mall family dwelling caterer personal professional know just the village district what's the most feasible means is it come from a commercial angle or from a residential angle you know from the pitcher's going to buy the triple land and develop what that what's the most reasonable means to achieve that from that i would have to buy this person's house and by that person's house and then buy that parcel well and that's just not it's not going to happen if that the what the but just like town crazy ok wife why does that potentially spawn well i think that's only the town's problem because you're taking a piece of property that is currently accessible and making it in excess making it restrictions on it that make it incredibly cumbersome for this person to do anything with their property it is the same as telling march time that they're not allowed to build anything on their property because it's a nice coronary and there's great  don't know i mean i know that in town you can only have up to three times of one private driveway so it if what you're saying is if if i want to bring three houses here i have to build a rope like the curb cut on in the other party room fifteen he's got a lot he's got his own driveway he's got a lot he's got his own driveway he's got a lot of these girls on driveway we do he's got a lot of got his own driveway go everywhere else  usual and that's the whole point what we're saying and i agree that saying you can't have any her cuts is probably two miles two to restrict but he certainly is something that we could put him right that hamstring what i was simply getting to was that i think there is need for redrawing of the line of the zone i would argue that there isn't there is a need to redraw the zoning wise so that you keep some of this commercial as john was alluding to as well over down over here in the or road in all this other stuff but i can see you cutting the commercial out and trying to get into out