probably had to be some learning curve on some of this stuff although i agree with mr stark warning that that's pretty that's a pretty steep that's a pretty steep figure especially when you consider that you know the hourly ra percent because of the the that the largest fee that we used to get from them recently has been for the pay program and we're doing that in house now and so although there were there were more planned activities and that's why the amount of fire in the rates are going up somewhat although we've switched personnel there so that we're actually paying at a lower rate because of the  paid if we would not have had the new engine here we've got him doing things where gateway would have come out more often but again yes you know because of the increased activity and it's not as apparent increase development less than seventy five percent attendance there's only five members they have a huge construction project going on and while we're not in charge of them i just wanted to raise the question among the rest of you i mean we do appoint these people and we don't actually manage them or same time it does anyone else have any concerns about the continuity consistency and following does to clarify the motion would be also to have your regular meetings on the second or fourth mondays while i thought that was a given yes and second fourth one ok for the discussion in favor  people to pay the video the township the other alternative is allowed to remain there and we will collect them in time is each of these properties transfer but you know that the nature of this is that these kind of bills remain on aid it means that the the fee charged the remainder of the community is slightly higher to cover the costs because the way the contract work for garbage collection is they get paid that sort of waste of money and you know and in fact i don't know the answer that question i don't journey i dearly would be first in time so in order if we foreclose we'd have the odd bit of the big bang and i mean that that's going to be a waste of money i think i mean i would i want have a problem in that you know going after people who who we know you know we have a good lean in that's first priority and things like that but to me to how much you know th you know when you take this fifty thousand dollars in act to this list it's a challenge for the garbage like chung do you send a letter to anyone is there anything that you do the reason why this list is fifty thousand now instead of  eighty three thousand is as it was about two weeks ago is that a letter came out from your son which great people with liens on their property even for ones that were fairly small and that's reduced by twenty thousand dollars in two weeks but one of the things with these kind of image will people who have who don't pay their bills they know how the system works and so therefore you know they're willing to accept that lead and they're partnering i do find it kind of what we have told what we the direction we give in jordan is that if you get through four cycles you get in essence a year because you know and that's about two hundred dollars in then we begin this process of when you brownwood debts where you see these multiple liens on the grocery what is the current quarterly charge have and the reason i'm asking is i have yet to see a jordan tax bill for my garbage and i have i know it's fifty one so i'm wondering whether there's an initial problem with people actually receiving the little card and not realizing it could create change and send a statement for the year that basically says it's fifty one a quarter you can pay the two hundred four dollars at one time or you can pay i mean is that could there potentially be a problem that people  the and you can do that there's a lot of issues with regard to that you have to consider when you go to do that but that is another way to do this the one advantage of that is that that be is tax deductible what your federal income taxes this be is not yeah but then you get it meeting to come back to council if we do to go out and solicit banks which it's going to be a drawn out process to do so there are so many different types month for that account that from our perspective that doesn't make any sense like i said i've talked to jordan i'm talking p and c there may be a way to mitigate that those expenses and once again put a task in a position to continue to receive prevention services if we can do that you do not want to move out of the sea because not only do we have all kind of electronic transfers that we initiate a lot of people particularly with the garbage bills are having us draw money but i can tell you this if we ever today you were going to change the part of dory we would be six months at least before we'd actually be able to move all the accounts and i just wonder how much advance notice they gave us of the challenge we've been talking for the last two or three original last line and winter when mr gregg bought it he combined it with his property are frosty valley and now you're you're creating a lot that's basically shaped like mike that there would be one l would agree that that's a concern because lyndon bill itself has issues with people coming out of there when they decide to situate that if they can move it so there's enough line of sight it would be helpful it requires a pend and that's the way the process is so they should go away i would agree with mr ball that's what they need to do but just so you wonders of the and i'm not suggesting you don't do that that each of those properties currently is taxable so he's made a mistake i think he's done unknowingly that's where they count the counties willing to to do this solution but the fact of matter is right now those properties are are tax was individual what you said and that is do now and his even if it was recorded that cleaning room protection happens is actually on the end of the backside of the first page and in essence when the portion of the property that is in the restoration report which must be a specific report stat there's only a couple different statuses that cause you to fall into cleaning up the act of agricultural agricultural reserves or foreign reserves and when people file these applications over the years that has become confused and they're going to go back and look at the steps