connection to the south and that's the cast and property and then an access easement be provided to the north and that's mr or mrs thomas accommodated here but in speaking with mr davis son today he suggested maybe a better location would be back here somewhere so we don't really care where just as long as it cur topography causing the need for the retaining wall for the access and obviously the hardship not created by the applicant there is one hole located across from the area of the wall down on old washington where however we are suggesting condition number seven is you're acquiring additional landscape screening we've recommand the very to be approved with eleven get a final wall design stamp violation professional engineer and we haven't gotten that yet for this wall but we did get depend on wall designs for this wall here so  you one of the drawings showing the cross section from that that what i call the inner wall i guess in how much room you've got to go back with all those those mesh fabric to properly supported earthwork only one question is do you have enough room in there from that wall now to the next wall to do that to tire earthian like you at that we don't know the answer to that question because we haven't gotten the final engineering drawings time are we not only are they going to be constructed by the same contractor but they're the same materials so once the contractor mobilizes the bill what we're referring to is the inner wall then he will be building the outer wall at the same time  seven to nine and i've spoken with your stuff on this issue a couple days ago when i received this letter and i already know i was in front of you has the warrior that you have all the ability outer wall in russia was basically dissolved and it was it was brought out of the water that we can get out and not have to worry about going both ways when we're getting in quite frankly to be honest with you i couldn't believe the pentagon actually improve th again recognizing that this is within the zoning ordinance we do pray to you that we don't put another burden if you give us the variance with our seventy nine the mr zabel who is in a better position after that he was before and he'll be happy but the truth of the matter is that if you put these then hold us hostage on what we who pays for the rent how much money do they pay a month and how much money do we pay them or you what happens we have to repay them god forbid what happens if someone gets hurt on this a media puts burden on mr sawyer and again i recognize the legal argument the practical argument in this is that it's just too burdensome to throw on him when he's trying to remediate a situation they didn't the north and the south because we're since we held hostage that one time if we want to have a safe roxas then what are we going to do we have to enter into these proposal easements with the neighbors if if we don't require them then you won't then we're not ever going to have especially the neighbor to the south in your connecting into your par in the after instance do they have access there's that southern rock and adventures and the left turn lanes going to be backed up traffic wanting to get onto one thousand and goes south will not be able to get out that's the whole purpose of this access drive that mr zabel is building it's only an access out to different life we've done that i've done in situations where we did three or four or five different parties to assume the situation or maintenance and  where we are legally now handcuffed because this board says we can't do this unless you go to mr customer or mr thomas and you make a deal because if i'm mr thomas and i look through this maybe we want to put a condition in is even if that is not paid by sabers in their rebirth for that access road somehow i don't know where that is that you know better than i do if it's a done deal but if that happens then i think you could put the other property or i don't know if i would agree that that's the intent of the i would i would say that forget about this access road if mr zabel was coming to us just with a revised site plan to add parking right week the requiring the your your plan b th the whole reason in argument behind this variance in building this access drive is mr z bose access to nineteen has now just been made unsafe  access to the ramp the only way for this property the custom property to have a safe access to nineteen is going to be here but separate it that way but the say they've got access to go through their property used to drive when they built their houses down below i think that's that's that's gone beyond i guess what we would normally you know i'm saying if you if you gave them access to have a better access on the approach to nineteen and say they can use that their front edge access that i think that addresses the intent of the ordinance here and be a good neighbor work together to make it safe for those customers all those properties to have access to that room so that in one way and i'll get on is one less thing for those property owners who on is here tonight mr cousins here tonight and i hope you have an opportunity to talk in mr thomas to the north they should all work together to help pay for maintenance i always thought that pendant doesn't have to give you the ability to move left and right side of your property and you could choose force all the traffic to go right all the nothing can go laugh and then why are we here the customers to do that in that's what this challenge or worse it's been confirmed it is a national unsafe situation i think it was safe situation even as it is right now with  and that would soon be a good staff wouldn't think there is one way that you could write it is such that we can only allow access i guess along nineteen but not grant access and check numbers to make sure everything is what you plan that was proposed we're going to wait until things start to bloom the weather clears up so we get a better picture of what it looks like out there every day you know