we're saying this could be done out in the field is rising because my only concern is if we're talking about is they have to remove trees to put in a sanitary sewer to put in a storm sewer and we're talking about replacing them we don't want to put them right on top of to make sure we weren't putting them back in an area where they should be in the right place rockledge drive as you enter as you enter the site we have an attention facility on the right side rockledge drive attempts to mimic the existing bridge much possible so that we can that note on the southern side there's been some i guess concern about potentially automobiles driving off the road into the gates of properties for the southern side we're going to be installing a four foot berm there on the northern address that in discussion to say that we're not going to be putting berms at either end of berm on the southern side and then trees on the north side that with twenty six lots as it said we're all wired one point eight years of open space we're proposing two acres the open spaces are located here and here in terms of storm water management all the storm water from the site will be collected in my underground the rate of discharge from the site so the work as it exists now were destroyed in a lesser rate of water than it is now after the bell in terms of the reason we did that is you know it's in peter is a showstopper here there is nothing that should throws up too many red flags we believe that we can adequately address all comments all conditions and we request that we get preliminary approv edge of this the edge of this road in order to grade in a mound there we would need to agree on the adjacent property to serve the purpose of defining an edge there the trees would work just as well as the believe down the way it discharges into the lower lakes colony lake township stores or property line which already showed for the beginning of a type a setback and we will include that for our son who worked for the inter boundary court too we would ask pine trees because we have had a continuous problem with people driving a t v s on the property and they'll go right under an oak tree because of the foliage the foliage is low to the ground so that flora hopefully would property they've started fires on the property we've had fireworks on the property and when hay is golden we've had everything imaginable plus trash i'm sorry to say from baldwin also we have all trails we have people topping our yard waste and rub each crankcase oil and the like on the property we would like to make sure that the man on the north end of this thing has the maximum density including any all trails over the years we have a dense street growth growth there and i'm sorry to say on all trails as far as the township is concerned i applaud your streets the courtman because they went out to the site and cleaned up all the yard waste just don't own your property at the end of the hitch at the end of the fishing post road and you may be faced with that again if that area isn't really three we realize that you're providing and i'm sorry and use the correct terms i think you call a stilt protector i called an erosion protector i define we ask for it to be three feet high it's  have a cut there was one of the conditions within gateways comments that we have to pull be creating a feedback reactor so as we have just that grating back into the twenty five foot locker here based they were going to be sucking back that grade to get out of the buffer protect the hold on the five and i realize your right of way really isn't a type a buffer to in a previous minute i regard previous meeting that you had with another property i read that actually was a declaration the right of way is excluded from taipei trees if i can interrupt or of where the first tree here is within an open space it will not be touched the open spaces can be dedicated to the township of the second tree mr warner says pointing to is within the twenty five foot type a buffer in and put in prison that's fine to supplement exactly dressing ninety nine percent of his concerns the one thing that is that the farm again to do a four foot berm would be that you have to do one slope we've essentially we go in sixteen feet on either install that berm but i mean it would be it would be installation of the trees and then as mr winter stated that he's going to be putting fence along the property line will actually fence there but it's in disrepair so we're going to refurbish i believe that will be adequate to serve the intent that he's dagger i'm sure so i submit your question sure would not and would not want anything over the property line because the agra the agricultural part of it goes right to the line and that's purposely done not only to maximize output problem if we can do everything we want if someone wants to get on your property they're going to get on your property i mean kind of from my personal experience or probably my parents own we put up fences we put up you're trespassing zajac right gates and everything else it makes no difference i still chase twenty people off know we really want to conservation easements but my concern is not so much the one in the open space obviously but the one that is on lot fifteen you know one a sales property owner have decided that they want to take the tree down because they don't want to and my concern looking over the plan and time it took a moment was that in the in the first phase when you're clearing the property and putting in streets knowing way back years ago that property beyond my grandfather's readers we used to have an enormous amount of water coming down a hillside and during the initial grading i'm concerned that some of that water might come down against our foundation and causes some problems and i see the plans as theirs are going to be a two foot deep trench two feet wide and i'd like to know just exactly where the how far that's carrying  thankful that we moved the plane discharge from lake county from lake joe when i was not so excited to learn it was going into our lower lake obviously our concern there is although that's not a d p regulated day and the small leak that is because it's not a high hazard considered by the volume of it we are still concerned of the sediment the mud nor the door construction that's going to discharge into that leak both of those wakes are right with fish obviously  people that live there who like the lakes like to take care of those for the fishing and the habitat that that provides to us and will make a comment about that when i look at the neck i forget the name of the whispering pines the new development upstream so when we see at the age of p for access to that facility they'll review it and ensure that it gets at that concern and with us reducing the discharge rate we have we believe it's going to be adequate to service that holds the water i think if it's if it's actually situated the way it is you know under pennsylvania law it would be considered a border a boundary tree and no one not one property every all the property owners on the corner would have to but then again that is this still doesn't stop anybody from coming out here on a morning and we can do what we can to protect the trees after the fact is actually right i mean i can't say anything to that effect and i suppose even if we were to put a note on the plan three can't be removed really at the end of the day it's just on paper which addresses the mine and existing springs that's exactly what i was going to say in five hours to you specifically save the april nine twenty fourteen gateway engineer  solicitor and sears the former sears building back there with their paving we're into the twenty five foot buffer so boucher is entitled to that location so they're asking for a variance of four feet for the asphalt paving in there asking for a five foot variance to the however if they were to go forward and request more which is what their dish will then that's a now in non conforming use which would have to meet all sections essentially broke the code which sounds like the walls that we have proposed primarily would be for static reasons if you're familiar with the site at all as you look from rome nineteen into the site others are rock sure that a person right there  we're looking at a had a like dealership that high and product and when you drive in there the last thing you would want to see with fees something that would be really unappealing to the eye so the proposed design here would be a verse along storrow wall and there would be landscaping as well around the areas if you take a look at lp one believe that would show reflect that as well  harry doing so will them in a parking spaces that we would like to have and also with you with us having people going back and forth on the bus or barking into the sure area service people struggle it's always a struggle can't get commercial property owners to cooperate with one another and create these interconnected parking areas we encourage him we want commercial sites to interconnect but to me this one's a little different and tricky in that you have a car dealership with people wow in the lot and walk in back and forth and it just concerns me from a safety standpoint to to have it in or c establishment here you have people standing back looking at all aspects of the car looking at all the lines and so forth there's concentrating on the product that they're want to buy they're not worried  through correct and then people of course as are driving there to take a look at the product as well so you have a double scenario here where you have a safety issue take a look at my cross section drawing here i have a divided into building itself and then if you're looking at other vehicles i'm not sure how big of a truck you would have having access to that area as well you're having him serpentina through making a tight right going into a tight left become very difficult in the good shape that turn as well i think it's a bad idea o'clock in the morning and it's very noisy and also the chrysler dealer you hear to metallic stuff getting thrown into the dumpster hours that they're not supposed to be picking up so this is directly behind our house and you know i don't know that there is anything to do about it other than you know i guess would have been reported and but that that was one concern regarding the previous using the previous setback we're talking the previous five or so from previous years you know that was pavement now we're talking about building a dumpster enclosure in that in that same they're in an elevated portion they're probably going to get more light pollution from across the plaza on the other side of nineteen and then you will from this from this site there's a big sense of i think when we had first applied for the variance too just wanted to make sure we had everything out there without even checking for interpretation of the zoning code because we don't want to have to go before b and then they sa whoa you're missing this and delayed the project a couple of months or we threw with our initial application we threw everything that we knew could possibly be something that would not be within zoning that we would what as it is right now just the way the partner fee is at the intersection of where the traffic light is you're currently going from nineteen into the side as you're heading down or i guess going  type of studded you know the persian of it if you put it over to the right hand side you're going to see it as soon as you come in to the side a lot of the customers will be concentrating in the front portion of the site wall if that building becomes five feet less than death then we don't we're not asking for any variance correct that building was five feet less and we're not asking for any yeah ken said that they have done everything they could to get as much as they could out of the property we own the property north of this they didn't talk to us about getting around and going making a build going to your left or right which we do  mean it's ridiculous you guys if i go from building a house in peter's ok and i have a fifteen sixteen foot side your performance you think i'm going to come in here in front of you you say ok you're not going to because that's precedent you are setting precedent here today if you move this forward to council telling them that they can go five feet into a buffer area when they can easily make the building last they haven't asked me about a great cut through as we see all the responsible and no one knows where to buy those or they're worried by this they didn't come to me they could've came to me they could have made that work they're working in an area that they don't have enough room when i don't have enough room i make the house smaller when i don't have enough room from the back i make the house less the why should they be able to commercial create one of residential area that's precedent you're setting precedent here if you send the council showing great which is ridiculous but you go back to where we're best drive we come straight through against the building you have a great right there and we would make that great degrades not bear now but we all know that it's unimproved plan it can be changed bowzer needed there why isn't it ok here i mean simply split they could make that building make it work right now make it five foot less street less for anything will fight on the garbage containers later they can conform with code here easily and that happening sir what's happening is that it's steeper here higher here it'll be at the six foot if it goes down before it will tear down to the fore it doesn't push back further into the residential district topography in the general area that he's making reference to it will be through this area we're through this area you're looking at a road fifteen foot drop in elevation i'm not sure how he's going to negotiate or driveway to go from his lower elevation to be able to negotiate up into the higher tier without importing hundreds and hundreds of yards of material and then try to keep it established in such a way that it's not going to impact his is not going to fly with it's just not good traffic planning if you have to have your own hands more than we should have a traffic going here stating that right we should have engineering seeing if i can make