cap that gets designed as mitigation for the hazardous waste is designed for that specific use and that will also tell us how much the capital and the technology will cost to do that so that's the immediate kind of goal is to try and start the discussion of what use would make sense you'll see that they use is vary from very kind of easy low impact to slightly more impact and obviously many of the uses have different forms of impact we would like to look at this is the first step in the board of selectmen and trying to get its arms around the problem of the post closure news we are in the process with the state we received a couple weeks ago the letter saying that the transfer is appen in from the state of the town of belmont there are a couple items that you know they give us a list of documents and things that they need one of them is a full survey of the property which we're doing and the other one is an appraisal of the property which will set largely set a price that we pay the state now the good news about the phrasal and we need to do that as well belmont will need to fund the survey and the appraisal but the good news about the appraisal is that it will also be limited in scope to the uses that are allowed by the state or the town of belmont on that property so the only uses that are allowed by the state for us to use the property after they sell it to us is for municipal use it can be recreational it can be other municipal facility but what that means is that the appraisal can only be geared toward those uses as well so it's not like the appraisal can be geared at full blown research real estate development and we're only talking about municipal use for our purposes now it's all going to be about the same thing which is a good once we have those documents and a few other documents that the state requires and you know they move very slowly but then we'll be able to close on this  and when we close we need to understand what the post closure use will be and what the cap will be that will cover a landfill it is clear that the state require us to pay something it's not like the old days where you know for one dollar you can buy the property is you have to pay fair market value now we do have a fund that we have or the the cleanup of the site it's approximately like three point eight million dollars is that a good number it's about three point eight million dollars we're hoping that at the end of the day that that will be that bad investment will go a long way toward meeting the state's purchase price we haven't gotten there yet we need to negotiate that but  you luckily have that money at least to start is a good thing that being said we've had the firm of c t m smith work with us over the last year  over looking at options what can be done here and what you'll see is that we have a large parcel in the front that stayed on that side concord ave and that's the part that's going to be transferred to us by the state there is a land locked parcel in the rear which you'll see in the other the consultants will talk about that is town owned already it's already owned by the town  stayed on we're hoping that through the process of developing the front state on the currently state owned parcel that we will be able to provide an opportunity to parcel is about nine acres three of which are upland therefore developable the incinerator site i think is nineteen or some sixteen acres proxim seventeen acres historically land filled up and in the front side so that's what we're talking about with that i'd like to introduce to consultants bruce haskell principal langan environmental and scott langdon landscape architect and principal of c purchase of the state owned parcel and i'm going to just what use this map here quickly to orient everybody to the site a little bit there if you can conquer it avenue is runs to the left or right across the top here a large green parcel is about the sixteen acre property that is currently owned by the state the yellowish parcel is the town on parcel the land locked parcel that is unlocked by purchasing the state parcel the landfill exists on both parcels there as was mentioned most likely rojas the town is movi opportunities for the town of belmont to be reused a lot of them now and communities in the metro boston area have reused their sites and redevelop them for town benefice town assets the town the landfill is required to be kept by the massachusetts department environmental protection think about in narrowing it down a little bit into the ones you see presented tonight conceptually ours are they technically feasible and technique feasible means is that environmentally sound is an appropriate environmental use for the site is are adequate space for the site and then technical issues like foundations obvious you're on a landfill you're building buildings building large structures the foundations need special care and engineering associated with that in the in massachusetts landfills are a highly regulated old landfills like this are highly are highly regulated by mass d p there are a lot of requirements limitations that places on you and i talk a little bit about those and i and some of the things that other communities have done to address those the biggest thing with what we're trying to solicit tonight is what the town's needs and preferences are for the site and ultimately this will roll to cost everything rolls back down the cost on that there so we're going to present some current use a potential site uses and continue the process of selection and ultimately help to select the future use of the site a quick overview of the landfill site some of the components of it the size of it out there it's like the rojas mentioned is comprised of two parcels which will show you again it's about twenty five and a half acres roughly in total site about seventeen acres of the site was historically landfill needs are rounded off numbers there and was part of the old the old incinerator and transfer station so this was the pick this is the picture picture of the old center raider building a transfer station sits the high part of the site about the remaining eight and a half acres is predominately wetland resource areas we delineate is wetlands would have very limited use besides offer and conservation type purposes are the project includes demolishing the old inactive incinerator building a transfer station  open up the space that's allowed in taking taking that eyesore out of out of off the site again this is another so it's a diagram of the site and what i want to show is going same orientation con left or right across the top the lighter green areas are three lobes of the landfill so those are the areas that historically where incinerator rational landfill we talk about linfield in this case incinerator burned the town's waste and generate a nash product that was landfill then placed the on the three lobes that are on the site in the green there we very unimaginatively call them loeb a b and c there out there and they're separated by a series of brooks and wetlands the blue areas shown out there are the wetlands so the key feature is the incinerator sits in the middle of the site right here at sort of a high point and the driveway comes here off awkward avenue that driveway because the wetlands as you can see come and coach on both sides would be is a stable point or recept point for the entire design and project moving forward out out there so the landfill to look at it was a soil like material there are some soils that were put in there and then bulky materials that couldn't fit through the incinerator process out there some of the project requirements we talked to briefly about the crux of the project property conveyance and the future limitations on site on the site for minnesota uses on the front parcel or the state owned parcel in the in the front and then we also the town currently has  several public works uses that go on out here storage of materials and talk briefly about what those are the town has no where else to put those and those are necessary for the public part of the public work to continue to cost effectively provide services out there and over as they can consol te materials and handle them in a cost effective manner instead of dealing with a lot of these materials in small quantities as they are generated parcel area sees when the town and parcel i want to briefly talk about the project regulatory requirements and there's two sets of regulations and again there are others but i want to really focus in on these on the master's d p or mass mix and match those two terms you're acquired to cap all old linfield areas out there with a capital looks like that like this cross section here you can see the primary function of that is a plastic geo membrane that runs through here between two san layers and top soil there are several alternative there are different ways to do it there's using existing cap was placed out there in the early eighty's as a whole lot of different alternatives that but that's sort of the standard cap if you're looking to  the other thing is all post closure uses all those capping uses if you will of landfills after be approved by d p it's a pretty intensive permitting process and a part of that is public acceptance of the selected post closure  the other major that of regulations that will control and will dictate some of the things that we can do out there or that were late to the wetlands protection act and those are initial predominately regulated locally by the belmont conservation commission in their state they administer sta regulations and there are several other layers of the regulations that may come into effect out here should the site depending on the ultimate post closure use of the site some other considerations for post closure use of the site when you're going through these regulatory process and from acceptability we want to make sure that the site is protective whatever selection of post closure use you decide on is protective human health safety environment the site has to be used has to be able to integrate that plastic membrane is sort of like a hard barrier that's hard to penetrate and go through the uses that are most commonly done by sort of sit on top of that recreational field solar panels things like that if you're going to penetrate that there's a lot of care  thinking that has to go into doing that obviously public acceptance of the use is an important consideration settlement subsidence of the waste the waste was not placed in an engineering manner so the more load weight you put on top of it the more you have to consider taking care of that in foundations there's a lot of side slopes on the sites of the site was filled in those sites at fairly high elevation compared to the surrounding wetlands and they have to create some plateau areas that will so the site site maybe seventeen acres but you may only have eight or nine usable acres of flat space that would be there and then again the municipal use only on that a this is the state the currently state owned parcel is a restriction on on some of the types of uses that we could  let's the background of what we need to consider and think about and working with the board of selectmen over the last year or so come up with a list of potential post closure uses and i will just walk through these growly quickly out there that we've considered thought about and either to advance a little bit further that will present some tonight or we've decided just to hold off in not not push them forward for technical feasibility reasons their first one is the most common is passive open spaces just the grass hill landfill group is a grass till there's no activity maybe some limited parking limited pathways out there that's of a baseline alternative when i can present a lot on that because that's just really the sort of the basic kept landfill alternative the second possibility is in this would be included in all the options the continued the d p w material storage and related operations out there and talk about what those are those are incorporated into all the options again because the town really has no other place to put those roxbury millennium park skyline park in brookline there are several examples in the metro boston area where different landfills have been used for different types of recreational athletic field type to ladies another common use of the facilities is apv the systems a lot of communities that are more in outside of the metropolitan areas to cape cod the islands where there's more land i've started to use their landfills for insulation as solar p v which sits on top of the landfill we'll talk about that a little bit further out there in the past we were asked to look at an ice rink skating rink on the site the issue with the skating rink on the site is really on the foundation skating reese have a very little very little tolerance for viable alternative for that location the next option we looked at is to relocate the police station from belmont center out to the site there's adequate space to do that we'll show you a conceptual plan of that out there and that was one of the options we took a look at the next option we took a look at is relocating the town public works garage from its current location out of the site third that did not have adequate room to take all the operations that are at the current highway e p w facility and move them out there even with the most expanded we're taining walls and we went beyond the realm of what would be good called good engineering practice of trying to fit that on there and we still couldn't fit everything that they needed to have within the limits of the area that they had the final option we were asked to sort of just consider was a school a school or some kind of school facility out there and we just felt that it was difficult to we we had some  discussions with nasty have had discussions elsewhere will be difficult to approve that and drabs of perception issues but that said we decided to take a look at it will discuss tonight five so to uses and some of these uses are quickly about what the town public what the public works uses are in a sense if you're familiar the site if you're from the neighborhood this is these are the uses that the town currently does at this location where the town has a leaf and yard waste composting facility have a drop off area they take brush brush logs those kinds of materials are stored out there there's a lot of construction type materials public work type materials general construction materials salt irving roadway you know you know jersey barriers things that are stored out there that need to be stored excess soil from projects only does a small sidewalk project they've taken a mature out there they take it out to this landfill and it's consolidated be handled it's when one lost effectively appliances an area appliances we need to require is to town to separate out street sweepings and catch basin cleanings and send those out of town for disposal so you need a bin for that snow storage and then contractor staging so contractors that come into town to do projects for the town have a place to store their materials office trailers things like that so they're not boring them within the town or bringing him in and costing more money for construction projects or those you do with these a lot of these materials you'll see these on the plan is the sort of construct bins for them and so now they're sort of spread out throughout the site wherever the proper grading is available and so this is just the op a photo of a bin was built for the public works on the old landfill in brookline out there cement blocks in a square pattern they can be covered and we have a series of them are covered different ways of doing it depending on what the materials are that are in there and so it's a very effective way to keep the bit cereals in one space when you fill up the bin we call have somebody take the material way or do what you have to talk about some of the three three items sort of three very very in post closure uses out there and the first one to talk about is just a recreational fields and some of the options that are out there again just to orient you on this plan  happens as we go through some of these options on that's the area that where most of the area is most of the room is and most of the space for these kind of out of sort of active uses out there this option is is fairly you know again maintains the same driveway as a parking area and here on public works bins along here with a separate access road down to them this is not as messed up in the bins as the public works department could be altered we need as require them to sort of change some of their operations implemented but the main feature out here for the post closure use of the field which is about two hundred twenty five by three hundred sixty feet in a rectangular playfield with ten foot safe zones around and about sixty eight parking spaces so it is a large recreational field that could handle most of the sports school level sports that are played out there so it's a you know that's that's one option second option we took a look at again in the same general footprint as the rectangular field again the same features you know the parking we move the parking around based on grading so you know that that this elevation of these where these fields are is probably fifteen to twenty feet higher than the elevation even around the the entrance out there so there's a there is a mound there and that's why you see a lot of this space out here is just basically slope making of slopes to get from the wetlands up to the top of the lotto this option is to independent ball fields all fields are are two hundred foot foul lines are suitable for softball or little little league and there's about fifty five parking spaces available on this conceptual option or third option we took a look at is sort of a hybrid of the two it's a multi purpose field the same size field with the rectangular fields for four to twenty five by three sixty feet sixty eight parking spaces but overlaid onto it is a ball field but at one corner of it there so replacing the two one of the two ball fields that was there so it's a multipurpose  used for either or option out there so let's talk about some of the advantages and disadvantages props of recreational field or considerations or taking those general considerations back provides needed steel space for the town i mean i've been working with the town for about five years and that's a constant theme that i've heard is trying to find field space is comparable compatible with a surround a budding land uses it's a relative it's a green space on the disadvantages is it a thing and this is a cost of disadvantage all the options is an incremental cost for building fields on top of a landfill dealing with the cap integrating it and getting the grades in correct correct compared to a non landfill site should one be available out there it requires design to separate the feel from the town public works operations i guess that's trucks coming in there could be separate roads gates fences to keep people out of it and then the fields are not centrally located in town obviously is the far extreme of the up here so this is about four to have the five acres of solar p v again it's just ground mounted it's basically a there's different ways of doing it but there's basically a tray with either concrete poured into it or concrete blocks in it with a solar panel sort of melted  is to do this to tao would have to either it's in again we could see the light department and the different arrangements but it would have to be a lease of the land to a private developer would take advantage of the various tax incentives and things that are out there for about twenty plus years the land would be twenty years this is the use for for twenty for the next twenty years out there is minimal revenue to the town twenty thousand dollars a year is not a huge sum to tie up you know probably five acres and the rest of the remainder of the site out there the power generated can be more expensive than other green options always a like apartment purchasing other green electricity from other sources outside of town and then obviously that anything other than this is a recurring one anything to put it solar panels it is more expensive the put them here on a landfill and deal with the settlement in the different issues out there it is on other sites the final option we're going to take a look at is relocating the police station in disgust tonight is real came the police station from belmont center out to the to the cochran avenue landfill and what we did is we were viewed the police station feasibility study done for the town in two thousand and eight which didn't need an ass of how much room was needed how much parking how many officers all the different sort of considerations of what was needed and came up with a size of a building and certain access out there so we laid that out on here on this on the site again we laid out on area be in same drive way separate entrance it does accommodate all the public works storage operations because it's again there's plenty of room to do this out here and then a lot of parking here in the little brown building the brown area here is the police station out here with a difference alipore different things coming in and out of it out of there so there is plenty of room for the police station out there for the real k police station based on the feasibility study that was done and even if it had to get a little bit bigger we reconfigure differently there's plenty of space to do that so that  disadvantages obviously the space is the biggest advantage that there's plenty of room out there for it to to be done it opens up another potential use of the current police station site in belmont center and because  can be compatible with all the public works operational where the public works will be able to take all those operations to continue to do them out there the disadvantages are you putting a building on top of the landfill you can settle it subside it the foundation will be an additional cost out there in the second disadvantage and i don't know how much of a disadvantage really is it's not we station is not centrally located in a town and in a population center of  one of the issues that always are questions that always comes up we take a look at any kind of development reuse of a site is traffic and to the site in what i want to do to the just talk quickly just ball tape of lee because we don't really have the full meal selection of of an option or at all from where it is now on recreational fields of the increased traffic when the fields are in use particularly on week weekends saturdays sundays holidays when the fields in the fall and spring this time of year and in the spring when there's a lot of you know the fields are in heavy use solar p v system be very little traffic to that it's maybe one or two trips a day are trips a day just to check on things repair again these are all post construction traffic impacts long term and the relocated police station obviously be some increased traffic trips to the site for the officers to staff the you know the public has access to site finally i want to just talk about what our next steps are trying to bring together an answer and then we can answer you want to have the most closure you sort of put together at the same time because you don't want to apollyon field and come back and try to do this it would after that after the fact in general especially if it's a recreational field or police station because you'd be placing ripping up things that spent money to do once we get a you know we the finalized the acquisition of that of by the town of the front parcel from the state you know towns funded a survey an appraisal of for that one develop a schedule for completion of the mass d p requirements again because that of comments before we you know i take some questions all the options that you saw bruce present show the main driveway continuing on to the town own site where you all noticed that ok the potential exists there to develop that area see the town on site on the bottom if you get to any site plan right there the town on site on the bottom we could find a use for it or town purposes or we could consider selling it to to use the proceeds to do the least to help fund whatever happens in the front it's an interesting little wrinkle to this that we didn't really expect but i think it's a good one i think it will help the town it also is the and correct me if i'm wrong was  one of the least damage there is that requires the least mitigation so therefore it might be more attractive to other development so just remember that the the other part of that is that the town recently passed the planning board and town meeting recently past the shared driveway bylaw that shared driveway by law allows that south southern town on a parcel to be developed using the same driveway as the front on site from concord ave though that's an innovator interesting code development here that has helped the fact is now we can unlock the land lock site that we own already with a shared drive way through the new state on site that we're going to acquire now it will still require a zoning arians from the town because of lack of frontage the rear town on site has no road but because we feel very positive about it because of the shared drive and because of the potential use and it's completely surrounded by conservation land and well it's very innocuous site terms of impacts on neighborhoods we feel it's a good opportunity that the ground rules for questions and i'm sure some of you have them are one question per resident and a follow up we're going to end the meeting at nine o'clock so we'll move you along and any of other follow up questions please send them to the selectmen at belmont dash ma dot gov and we will definitely get back to you on any other thoughts you have after you leave tonight's meeting so but that will entertain questions and have the appropriate person answer them as maybe necessary because come forward anybody is identify yourself in your address and i mean in his den no one live it ten fifteen concord avenue in the town meeting member from precinct two and specifically from that neighborhood i sent you an email this morning but i assume you probably didn't have time to read it yet you did ok i remember reading it ok good so basically the gist of the mail is that i just wanted to inject into this discussion  the traffic issues that we have in that neighborhood but as it is or isn't it there are no sidewalks down there so people don't really walk around and talk to their neighbors much  but i gathered signatures to get on the town meeting last year so i had an opportunity to talk to a lot of people from that wrangle that is between concord avenue and winter and the three streets that are in between and one of the themes that came up a lot as i mentioned in the e mail was the traffic down there and it's really there's a lot of really aggressive driving down there some one gentleman told me that it used to be a lazy country road but it's obviously not that at all now when you pull out of your driveway they will tailgate you because they didn't appreciate the fact that you did that when you try to slow down to go into your driveway they'll do the same and be pretty aggressive about that and to the extent that many people if you drive along those two streets you'll notice that many people have expanded their driveways into their front yards in order to make it safe for everyone speeds speeding is is onst and there are a lot of children in the area including my daughter we're all concerned about about that and so i would just hope that everybody would keep traffic implications of this at the forefront of their minds when they're considering these different things the solar want to i mean briefly we saw that on the screen the solar one obviously would have no impact the first one doesn't either i i think it remains to be seen what the impact of the others would be i mean my first my first thought about the police station was that well maybe that would intimidate some people into stop speeding and stop driving so aggressively but then a second thought is well is that going to increase the noise in the area are we going to be dealing with sirens and things like that so more of a common than a question there but if i could just say one question is this blue area is all  wetlands that abut rock metal correct ok and that would not touch to under any of these now and the and the conservation commission and the well as protection act would make sure that none of that ok thank you we'd have to abide by all those rules and as far as you know the police station just a brief thing on the traffic and the sign and the noise potential and we did think about that and we have you know there's no decisions been made but it has been talked about is most police cars are not at the police station they're already out there because if somebody gets a call and a siren goes on it usually already out in the community and not at the police station or so there may not be quite as much as i originally thought the same thing and so is well but we will considered traffic and noise on every option before and i think it i know absolutely thank you anybody else yes please hi i'm robert kennedy now meeting member precinct three i happen to live around this area up mill street across from mclean pretty familiar with this area and like to bring up one topic here for your consideration with all of these designs that i haven't heard discussed yet and it might ever be a measure it will help us in the future to measure the pros and cons of some of these proposals that is that this site as shown on this map is in fact part of  bigger picture here and i say that as a architect and i've done quite a bit of planning myself i'd like to see in the future presentations a drawing that shows the bigger picture here down concord avenue to the intersection at mill street and around the corner at a at a small scale that shows rock now doe and how this fits into the big picture and the reason for that is that i drive this area several times a week and sometimes in rush hour and there is a lot of traffic here and i'm not bringing that up as a problem for traffic i'm bringing it up because this avenue now is one of our towns gateways and a lot of people drive this road and we should be concerned with all of these solutions with what the appearances and some of these will have frozen some of these will have condoms but if we draw the big picture we can put this into context and  then better analyze the individual individual of choice that's another question i might have here is i see a lot of professional work in the design here and so  forth in the options that you discussed that you've presented here and i know you've had a lot of discussion on this have you ever discussed the possibility of a win and i bring that up because in all of the continuing education courses i now have to take this is a big big topic that we're getting we're facing as a as a profession and it's a very controversial subject some people are strongly in favor of and some people are strongly against i'm one of the first examples in our area around here was back three years ago or four years ago when the town of hall was offered a wind generator and the town voted it down dramatically said we are not going to be looking at this thing and it was brought up one or two to more times annually until they finally did build a wind generator at hull and found that that one propeller generates the entire electrical needs of the town of whole and now they're talking about build on a second point as time goes by we will become more and more accustom of these and some of you've driven around the country upstate new york and out in the midwest where there are actual farms of these i'm not sure i want to see a wind generator here or not i'd have to think about it but because this open space does face the west and the west is the source of our prevailing winds it's something we ought to look at as an option and we ought to know what the what the electrical generation of that ought to be and i think you would find that it would be considerably more then the solar panels so it should be looked at and there will be a lot of heavy discussion i know about the appearance and once we see this bigger site plan we will then come to understand what that might mean pro and con to the appearance of our town as this town gets busier in this traffic gets more and that this becomes more and more a gateway to belmont what is it we want to see here i'd appreciate each of these plans which are carefully drawn should have some zone i think of landscaping or buffering or a hill between the the use and the road that helps dress up whatever we present here or the visual aspect of this  entryway in concord avenue just bring this up because it's i want to still look at a a little bigger picture here thank you so much thank you i just to touch on that mr kennedy is these plans are obviously and intended to be very diagrammatic any plan but securely as we get closer to selecting a post closer used will will have more detail it's absolutely critical and i agree with you one hundred percent that buffering the landscaping the the mitigation of whatever facility is there from the road and you know the view of it from the road really needs to be studied carefully so i agree with you and we will do that gale of offer or low toward the ground solar panels might be very minor might be a small expense but scale of trying to hide  generator might be impossible but it could all be to seem that way thank you thank you anybody else yes suzanne asked precinct three i live in concord avenue but closer to the center five farther on there's some wetlands that are owned by the town of wax lexington there's a lot and of course people who live right across the street would like to know exactly how many people there are living right across the street so i think it is important but the question i wanted to ask is about the two other lobes the gentleman who started off identified them  d so what thoughts have you had about about those you mentioned andy the thought of some development on the sea on the town and land and i'd like to hear a little bit more of what kind of thing you're thinking but i but there's a driveway and drawn to blow by a and not a word has been said good point that i'm watching this is so small it does say it on the dry and i snowstorms best be a place to do that i know is something that has struggled with in the past finding a location to put snow from belmont center or certain intersections and things like that out there so it's sort of a cleared area by and large  they don't have a list of uses we know that it's probably not appropriate for single family residential you know you have to go through other facilities to get there and it's kind of away from the rest but there are right but and could you in fact build a found a a you know go into the ground there yes a building there he should probably talk and then my sorry thank you so a building could be built there it's actually the least impacted landfill area so it has the least of the problems associated with landfill construction so we feel that a building foundation you know still be more expensive than if it weren't a landfill area but it's probably not the most expensive place on the site to build a building ok but you know thoughts about what building with a bit speed municipal would this be development now it could be either  i think that if we could in all honesty my preference would be to try and sell it because it would give us funds to be able to do the front piece in an in a in a well defined manner i think that it would also be attractive for development since it's basically hidden surrounded by wetland and conservation land i don't think it needs to be a very impactful or large scale development but i think you can be a creative use of that are want i went to the general school i was in the last six grade that ever existed here went to the middle school which was the junior high and then the graduated seventy four from b h s i worked for a firm in harvard mass called solar design associates we've been in business since  seventy four we are specialists in renewable energy design solar photovoltaic thermal and wind design if you were to put a wind machine there which i really doubt would ever be approved by any voters anybody within half a mile would hear the blades turning i would think would be rejected but maximum output would maybe be two megawatts and with fifteen to seventeen acres you could do three megawatts of solar so to mr kennedy's comment you'd get more output of energy from solar than you would from wind and the wind resource in belmont is not anywhere nearly as good as hall which is on the water and i think that's dead in the water myself from a solar perspective there are over thirty nine landfills now with solar panels in massachusetts and more coming online every day one of the ones that are particularly interesting to me is the groton electric light department the geld and that one just issued an r f p that was granted and the proposal is for five cent electricity to the town of groton right now municipal light department is buying in the wholesale market which is a very volatile market you may find your electric bill is going up somewhere between twenty and thirty percent this winter as a result of last winter's cold snap this will continue for years to come until we either get gas pipelines or new electric transmission lines from canada if you put in solar panels dedicated to the town you can reduce your town energy bill and my tax bill and your tax by approximately thirty or forty percent if you're buying power at five cents a kilowatt the not twenty thousand dollars in lease payments you're gaining but a much greater amount in savings to the miniscule electric budgets that number should be factored into this not just the lease payment a third party company with then sell the power back to the town that's a really key difference in your in your calculation and i would like you to make sure that you include the rest of the revenue that you'll save from buying power from yourself that you generate on your own land in addition to that there's a concept called community shared solar which we did in harvard mass this year and it means that residents who are unable to install solar panels on their roof perhaps are facing north or perhaps their renters and many people in the town are renters but they have electric meters in dedicate a share of that solar field to their own bill through virtual  you could buy twenty twenty panels yourself and have the savings calculate it into your electric bill and this is something that could be done perhaps in one of the smaller loaves and the larger one be dedicated to  so if you want to get creative both individual households could participate in solar as well as the town itself and i've been consulting with both the belmont energy committee through roger colton and with filth there with sustainable delma on these issues and there's currently a very thought of a tax solution and as you saw the only it's really about three or four acres that is actually develop a bowl for solar based on all the other environmental needs of the site but it generates one m our but we are looking at all the numbers related to how much it could actually save the town but it's really not quite as much as everybody thinks and we've had people look at it very very carefully it's not just about twenty thousand dollars lease payment but we are studying it we think it's a it's a viable option we're certainly not taking it off the table we'd like to hear more from other people thank you yes and thank you very much for  i like that we are going to explore this option would you please identify your own i'm sorry kim slack taylor road precinct one so i really like that we're exploring these  options i want to just weigh in on a couple of things one i don't think it's an appropriate place for the police to be it's very isolated and i like the idea of community put community policing the concept that they are seen out in our community and having their headquarters stuck way off into the corner on the border of town creates this sense that they are somehow not part of  so i feel strongly that we should have the police in a more central location having said that i think we should have like your idea of exploring where we could use the lower globe the city own property  i wondered if why we haven't considered athletic field there to i didn't see any of that it's not enough room you saw the drawings of  they take up much more space all right but still maybe there's another viable option the i hope it's not residential i think our schools already taxed pretty at the limit so some other kind of commercial activity that would help a for that i think that's a really good option and i like the idea if solar i really challenge the numbers that have been shown here lexington recently town of two hundred seventy five thousand so that's a magnitude of ten i mean i think there's there's something wrong here with these numbers because if lexington is claiming that it will study it further but thank you yeah they way so those are my  comments i really would encourage us to look strongly at the solar option thank you yes miss high and suzanne show and i from recent six town meeting work road and want to propose a completely different potential use of the land i don't know if it would work with the d p requirements on capping but i want to propose a community farm for the land munity farms are a way to preserve open space and can provide an environmentally friendly operation they connect the community both to the land and to our own agricultural past they offer hands on educational real recreational and volunteer activities and grow food both for the community and for those in need many of our surrounding neighbors have a stablish community farms in recent years including lexington waltham newton weston lincoln winchester con sites that were kept some manner there so as long as you kept enough of a buffer out there and you know that the roots couldn't get down into the underlying waste and it you want to be digging in it there and you could take some care and you could definitely do some form of limited that we did i looked like it was thousand and eight so there are one boundaries out there that have been mapped and i think this generally reflects it it does confirm with my memory that like the like globe c was want to take the have it's not an absolute abandon development in that there but it would get an order of conditioned for that and that's not well that's a conservation commission side if there's questions about that let me know first off i think it's very important that the d p w gets to use is in there i think it's it's a great site for you know the stumps for the snow for the streets sweepings for the catch basin cleaning than those things which you don't want to have you know right next door to your house it's and i think the advantage of the area altogether is that it's in an isolated area on the edge of town so you should be thinking of those kind of uses and i would make sure that the d p w gets enough of the uses that to sustain those kind of operations in fact i think some of those things would be more in demand and if we're looking for revenues maybe as a temporary measure permanent measure they could receive those from other towns to generate revenues for the town from the storing of those  solicit the potential users so we know whether these different departments and users are lobbying for this or whether they see a way don't don't send me out there so i would like to hear from the police on what they think of the operational posen cons of moving out there or the school committee and recreation what the pros and cons of ball fields out there as a past little league coach i would would rather not go all the way out there and have to you know meet with all the enough space in here or whether that's sometimes you never see behind the scenes where there's been a negotiation going on says you can take so much or not but i think that's a very important use of the site i it is a bigger picture open space and i would not mind at all if it remained open space it's connected to rock meadow the met state there's extensive trails back in there maybe that could be done in conjunction with farm areas we have a waiting list now at the victory gardens at rock meadow that very popular and that could be done so i don't think we should you know when you presented it as well this is a basic option this is doing nothing out to me it's not doing nothing because i think it adds to that asset to the town i am interested  in the energy uses and if those are viable either the wind or the solar i think that would be there a good and also a buffer for you know our inner energy resources here in the town on some of the property you know i would add for me to be convinced that i have a pretty big revenue generator for the town in order to do it and give up some of the town's e p w for recreation and things like that but i wouldn't bet i wouldn't and i'd look into that opportunity as well the asset is it it's it's out away from town so that's those are the kind of uses that are most compatible with that that we should be looking at just to get back on but you asked i was a few years ago and i and we'll have the chief come up here in a minute and just tell you what his perspective of a police station is but a few years ago i said the chief and i both serve on  the police station feasibility study committee and i think that the police really and to answer can comment as well that they they don't have an issue being out there and that they don't have an issue with community policing because that they're out there in the community and the bloke asian of the building really isn't that important anymore to the way they operate and in fact that this would a they feel a good location for their headquarters but we'll let the chief come up and talk about that i think d p w every single option as most of what they want some of them have more and some have less and that will be a way criteria in any option that you know is ultimately select but obviously the police station you know bruce said as all their facility the current facility and uses that are there now are all in are all retained in the police station option some of the recreation options have less because of a choir larger footprint then the police station so there's pros and cons to all of them again but the d p w is represented their uses are represented in every option and we feel strongly that they continue to be and the d p w needs in there because there's really no other place for them but could you just come up and because i think people do have concerns about the police station and your best chance of and on the photovoltaic we will be doing more work on the photo voltaic solution and possibly when solution to his comments but mr rojas at a very eloquently here we don't need to be i mean ideally what we would love to do is be in the center of town unfortunately we have a very small footprint here one point seven square miles and that's pretty much taken up so what's the what's available to us and as mr rojas said our offices are out and about in the community that's what community policing is all about being out in the community we are not like the five and we have to be geographically located within the community to be able to respond our offices are out and about where radio just bad so the building itself is really not a big question the location for us is not a big matter i mean obviously if we had our it would be located in the center of town but we don't have land in the center of town and if anybody wants to come through the police station i would welcome you any time to see what we have i have often said the building was built in nineteen thirty one when we had thirty offices and it has served our community very well unfortunately it hasn't grown with the times and i cringe at times when a lot of residents call me and say chief i got to come and talk to you because everybody knows we're in a major intersection on a slight hill and there is no parking but all we have been very fortunate what the beaumont woman's club that allows us to utilize this space to be a have to be eccles and excess vehicles but as far as a location that could fit what our needs are as identified in the two thousand and eight study it would be very worthwhile but as i said good for us a location and i don't know how many of you know they emerge cambridge police station was located in central square it's now down a nice cambridge i think kendall square well if you know again they're in the same position that we are we don't have the space that we have that we can just build it anywhere we want if anybody has any questions i will answer but as far as the location it really doesn't matter to wash where out and about in the community and we will continue to be at the botto community farm is something different from immunity gardens i just want to clarify that i also wanted to mention that community farm cost the town no money they're typically run by non profits for the benefit of the community and they don't cost the community any money also a community farm would save the open space for as open space or potential future uses down the line  energy you can get out of this site is or a reason why that area which now represents about a fourth of the total site area couldn't if you could  that structure that this is mounted to possibly bridge and take the high ground of maybe some of the rest of the site and maybe double or triple the area of the wood ok square footage if it's got to be on a structure anyhow maybe the structure sort of bridges things lets the ground go and come in its train underneath it and connect to the next  were this might change the numbers thank you it would obviously you know if you have more megawatts of power it obviously changes the revenue numbers but obviously any structure that is bridging wetlands considering solving a lot of the challenges or some of the challenges that we have in town which i think is great one thing that i'm sure in your in your further studies you can elect to choose to look at is the photovoltaic option i think is great and i think it can be building with with and with and kind of added to the police station or d p w in some sort of combination on roofs and parking lots and things like that that it doesn't have to be one o the other it can be incorporated in some of the other options as well i mean it possibly could be a little more cost but ultimately the benefit would be kind of combined and i know the state and other facilities have  done very similar arrangements in order to kind of maximize the use of of the land thank you thank you very much anybody else of what one mega bought megawatt of power means for the town is that one day one week one house what kind of order of magnitude of power is that jim did you come up and just you know put it in perspective how much power is that relative to belmont's needs money on buying this land from the state right want to get your benefit out of it and put a police station on if with the watch you put solar on top right that's pretty much what you're saying i think that you're on to it that's the that's the key best of both worlds and in the the this is tied to all about posing with the state where we're trying to decide is what's the use going to be so we know what kind of cap but  on i guess a couple of related questions ones just the what's the process from here alternately who's going to decide when and when might it come around then no the state moves at its own pace but the ballpar of what sort of timetable from a town perspective might be looking at to make who's making them and also what but briefly how much the different types acts very close in boston and much much swing there isn't right thank you but good questions you know realistically the process with the state is another year at best they just are unfortunate glacially slow and we're trying to do the pieces that we can do the appraisal the survey all the things that they ask us for we try to respond as quickly as possible brian stay in the queue as a write up however they move at their own pace we think it'll be about a year in that year this isn't the last meeting we're going to have a need to own this down and more information come back for numbers and data so that that only the residents understand what the options and impacts are but ultimately meeting well as well that's going to be important you know the cap decision during it gives you know gives us a year or less to go through that process and come up with a use and determine the cap determine the cost see how much how it rates against what we have in the bank you know per se and also look at strategies for that where parcel you know if in fact that's a viable  you know potentially using it for more commercial you know more develop of development so that's kind of the timeframe in terms of the cap os i think at this point it's very early but i'll let bruce just talk losses one hundred fifty to two hundred thousand dollars per acre out there and that's carried within the town the money the town set aside for that the other two areas area a and c had as its like a ross mentioned  c was not as uses intensively so the cap'n be a little bit different a little bit less than that area a actually was kept by the town with material that came in from the extension of the it with a red line to alewife play material that was there that's well seeing then in closing we'll post this presentation with a link to belmont media telecast on the town website this week so any of you that want to see it again or want to refer to it more closely it will be on the website you know probably within a week and so we want everybody to look at this and everybody at home again take your time look at it on the website and feel free to send us your comments and suggestions our follow up questions to selectmen at belmont dash ma i'd also like to thank big thank you to the town staff our town a minister who is you know pretty much border back the assemblies and meetings and so on and we really appreciate all their vomit they've been instrumental in getting these diagrams and thoughts that are sitting behind them on to paper we also want to thank our consultants who's haskell and scott langdon they've been extremely helpful accommodating and very very willing to listen to different ways that belmont is looking at so and we'll continue working with them we'll have follow up meetings will let everybody know but again please send us more comments and any more inquiries about this our ideas were all layers at this point we want to get the best use for this site and for the both state on site and for the town on site other than that thank you very much