so i kind of like to roll right through that you know i mean i heard from amy she had contacted a gentleman from harrington's to get him to get a member to from the business community and unfortunately of course because this is busy season he didn't feel like he could commit to an advisory board until january and i don't want to go forward without some of the larger users in town you know who made it out and harold i've had a hard time getting in touch with you so you know getting people together  a little bit of a challenge so we can and unfortunately i did find out that one of our loans that we thought were coming and i thought was coming due in f y fifteen or fourteen is actually at the earliest would be f y sixteen so we have a little bit of a breathing room it's about a fifty thousand dollars a year breathing room so that doesn't make it quite as eminent that we need to drastically do something but we do need to have a heart to heart conversation about doing a small increase to the rates just to cover the current expenses because if if we didn't have any excepted our revenues would not meet o think that we need to so whatever rates were proposed in june i think that we need to revisit that to see what because honestly i didn't take a hard look at that because i thought we were going to move forward with something else but in order to meet our expenses are our expenditures we need to do something about revenues so i think at the december meeting which will be six weeks away  certainly are you know been told that i should sell my beef jerky so perhaps that is a way to raise raise funds but another way is to spread the cost over all of the users like we've been doing for  right well i mean you know any system that's practicing good fiscal management adjusts rates annually to meet just just inflation not not even improvements to the system which we've made substantial necessary good improvements to our system so so i think that it's it's prudent to expect a rate increase and when the voters passed the bond it was with the understanding that they would impact the rates so so doing something about it is necessary so the water billing policy it's been i think in your packets the past couple of sessions but because we've had other pressing issues we've kind of glazed again and tabled it but this was the discussion on extending the payment terms for when water bills were due so that they wouldn't coincide with tax payment that was something that  a couple of folks from the public had requested us to do and we've proposed that forty five day as opposed to a thirty day extension and you actually saw that in these most recent bills so i guess i guess we agreed to it  if we agree that we agree to dislike or differ the tax apart yeah but we didn't do anything about the water and sewer so i was actually a little surprised to see that the water and sewer bills were the extension was already granted but i think we were all kind of in agreement that we agreed to up a forty five day grace period so i think we just have to do we have to do anything does anybody have any comments or thoughts about that i mean you're the ones paying the bills i have a well much yet and so it may not seem like a lot for some people that could be another paycheck you know and having that that extra couple of weeks to mean it's two weeks so it's not you're right it's not like we changed it tremendously and we'll see what folks say about that and if if they feel like you know a sixty day would be better than we can have that conversation but i think at least we're taking a step in the right direction and of listening to the public on what they think so doing linda she hears right ok well maybe after i motion to accept the new water water and sewer billing billing policy as presented today i guess november fifth two thousand and twelve so moved that all those in favor i water was almost good we're going to put the truck off until two thousand and fifteen zero zero zero so that's that's even further but should we still be because back to the conversation we had a little bit earlier it is it prudent to save now and pay for it or pay for a short lived asset with a with a loan basically so is it better to pay for a short lived asset with savings or is it better to pay do we want to pay for a short lived out set with a loan and critical use vehicle ok so i'd like to push it off for two reasons one i think the five years is going to be some significant mileage improvement options out there and two it's entirely possible that we that's the case then that may just be able to be a line item in your maintenance by jet not necessarily a capital item is that i mean i mean but it's definitely a big change compared his it is capital equipment now ranks right  capital period is that is that what you're kind of or at least for at least for the for the short term certainly for getting the short term i would i would just leave it there until you have a good conversation that philosophy moving forward ok but this i mean this conversation is it is going to influence our budget which will then influence either what else what we can't do or what the rates need to be with the revenues who's moved the revenues need to pay so if we if we leave the twenty five thousand dollar in as an f y fourteen expenditure then that's something else that either we can do or that's more money we have to make up in revenue so if this is something that we can take off of twenty fourteen and fifteen and who knows where else then then we can then we can do something else with that money which i know that there's other things that we can do with that money if i'm comfortable we can get the truck going for another five years ok so let's take out that twenty five thousand for the pickup in the at least the twenty fourteen because who knows something may happen let's hope nothing happens but let's take it out for twenty fourteen the more ok and you still end up the annual appropriations that we have in here for collection system and treatment facility do you spend that annually easily could you easily could  he was available i could spend so are we not i mean are they not in the budget for that or the twenty four thousand typically the thing that's kind of been lacking in the capital is putting money away to meet the right so it's actually in the ira side especially in the serious side yes so an example would be deposed trees coming down so that's totally new finding money for that to do that but it will come from other places in the capital gets raided for lack of a better term right ok so i think you only have i think there's like fifteen thousand in the sewer capitol reserve right now and that's that's not enough money for if water so there's a tractor with the back how and if i'm not mistaken this is to operate the generator right and i know as a result of the last sanitary survey that happened a week and a half two weeks ago is that still a strong recommendation from the drinking water program is to have a backup generator available to to the water treatment plant n for it to be a fixed generator yes as well as mine and right we do have plans with the well house chlorine contect of three we strongly urge the engineers to include a new access driveway underground power so if you got the generator as part of the chlorine contact time would you still need the tractor with the back oh ok so this could be a tractor backhoe slash standby generator it's going to cross the bridge to the grocery or you know until right oh oh they actually well they were didn't go over the bridge they went across red cross country and river but it's it's not there right now so we can't plan for that right now i mean granted we're right so water reservoir upgrade study says this is for the storage tank and this is this is to do planning for it it's it's not to pay for it it's to do it's to either well study ok i mean if if if the tank is that failure then that waiting until f y fourteen which is at minimum six months away if not a year and a half away that's a part of me  like but i know we don't have the money to do it right now and so that's why putting it in a capital plan is important so have you gotten to where does the forty five thousand based on the believe that was on green mountain's number how long ago coated steel tank that's about a dollar a gallon so just to replace the tear thousand gallon tank we have it would be two hundred thousand gallons but if we wanted to increase and move it but that's that's not a tank that's not  should pretend could potentially be a talent issue because if that fails you're talking safety you're talking lots of fire prevention you're talking lots of water the school you're talking the branding row that we just put in having with your kid i mean that's a way we could look at it is that you know because the jericho road projects the split between general fund on the water and sewer and the water in several of them break it up even more so you know there is there there is precedent for something like that to happen but let's let's talk about this further now that everybody's heard it and we can consider think about that let's let's keep the forty five thousand dollars for the for their upgrade study laying of the infrastructure but for the rest of it so suit brown's court came in under budget from what green mountain had proposed not from what the contractor he proposed but but it still came under budget significantly so i  think that this is a that this is a good use of of capital because you have again you have a long lived asset that we can pay for with the least amount of investment that that we can make so you know because you don't want to  no this is strictly the water line fifty five is certainly the water line just like with brown square at the water line was was like seventy thousand in the paving was actually part of the paving budget so so i i imagine that this would probably happen in a similar  thousand and fifty five thousand is a good number to keep them for deeper street and the car in contact time upgrade i mean that's going to be that's going to be a bigger ticket item that's going to be something that's going to be bonded so  our regularly scheduled meetings so that we can better pay our bills on time to the third wednesday of every month that will start in december however to make sure that we don't pay our bills from november late we are going to have a very early warrant approval meeting the first monday in december so december third we will have a brief and we  be able to be a ten minute meeting so we can just call the order six fifty as long as there's nothing else on the agenda pay the warrants be done with it and get a regular meeting on the seventeenth and going forward it will be the third monday of every month ok i think we agreed to that in a previous meeting that because of hunting season we wanted to make sure that we had everybody here so just  double check on that but that's that's how we will be in compliance is if we get a double check valve on your and your system and candles able to check on that annually the only one that's the only one that's called the mean be great if they hadn't they don't need it because if they it's to the it's you know systems really shouldn't be adding water system should be able to adequately serve all users and if they can't without a quick pressure then they should sebring get double check valves if that's ok then kendall i will let you know and you can work with harold to get that taken care of if it's not i have to talk about what what other solutions  i mean in order to fight fires you need a certain volume of water in addition to pressure but so i mean you know going up higher you could get better pressure but you still may need as much you still didn't need as much water to fight the fires but that that would be part of the study certainly and i think there's talks about doing tandem tanks so that you know maybe one tank where it's already cited another tank in another place but that would be certainly part of the part of the proposal to see what what we actually the first of all there is there is a basic point of order i do not believe that it isn't within our power to stop the vote at this point we can't do that without violating states that should and that's just the situation certainly there were there were opportunities earlier but the items that you're talking about not come up at a time when we when we could have taken action without you know by leaving the process so unfortunately the situation that we have both tomorrow is the situation that we have and everybody in town needs to go in and vote their conscience the issues you brought up several points all of which remain but i want to separate out the ones that have to do with conflict of interest or acquisition of conflict of interests from the intended effects of the zone which were some of the other ones you brought up and i want to make be careful who don't conflate the two ok because the  the actual facts of the zoning you know the size a lot the impacts on the town economy are things that reasonable people will disagree about and should vote their conscience about when it comes to any point ok so that's not that's certainly no reason to to stop a vote or you know even if we had that opportunity given the amount of review that's already happened people reason people will differ on things like that constitute conflict of interest it's a totally different story obviously that was brought to us brought to my attention thursday last week for the first time we have begun an investigation of that i'm not at liberty to talk about that at all at this point that's ongoing but roads private road it's intended that it stay private road it serves three locks disappoint time serves a blueberry farm bill parcells roughly two hundred acres up there long skinny goes up comes all the way out on the town road twenty two sit back access to the farm the plan as part of a plan to retain the agricultural  front man to the farm is to add three additional lots up in the back one of those lots of one hundred thirty seven acres the others are smaller  we request years to upgrade the but we're farm road for the first roughly twelve hundred feet which goes up through the farm makes a little turn of the top if you've ever been up picking blueberries that's where the prime trees start to put hammerhead up there and then the driveways would be served off from there to cover the lots probably also clothing back down to roads it is purpose is to retain the rural character in those less dense areas of the town and so they don't look for but two minutes concrete curb sidewalks and all of those things simply a gravel road has to meet certain minimum standards we're looking for waivers from a couple of those the important one is because the farm will continue to operate  this we want to narrower surface through the farm to restrict speeds we don't want to have kids and families out there somebody shoot through it twenty five miles an hour so we're looking to narrow the road from what normally would be twenty feet to eighteen feet except for where we go through the floodplain where we want to narrow it further to sixteen to minimize the effect on the that's there we're also looking for a waiver to not have to plant additional trees or trees along the road now the town standard requires trees along the road every so many feet believe it's like seventy five feet obviously we want to use it for agricultural purposes so we don't want to cover it with any more trees than what's there and then last the road standard requires that the houses on the road are connected to the road be at least five hundred feet apart but because of the partner few we're working with and the fact that we're trying to keep the front of ailill for agriculture  we want to waver from maintaining that the process requires the both the development review board formally the planning commission now the development review board and the select board to accept that and to approve it and he's to be approved in a letter the letter needs to mention certain things saw laid out new york times and i would offer to work with jeff to draft that obtained sign off from fire police and rescue saying that the road is designed will be safety requirements access issues have been dealt with eccentric so it's really  down to obtaining approval from this board to apply those standards and the development review board has plenty narrowly passed off on the waivers but you need to do the same they need to be in the actual letter i would offer to draft something to work it out with jeff and get it for your approval but it ask you to consider it to approve it if you can't on business partner both have a lot there then there's the remaining millions for which is you know one hundred sixty seventy years it's up there so really for lots that are there right now those for a lot of us that great standards between the two are actually quite similar it's twelve percent on a rural road ten percent twelve with one exception where we need to do a little cut bill color there that low spot so that's flood way through there in just up below the checkout building there's another little section right there same same thing so landscaping the landscaping rags you know because if if it's to provide a treat it's just just for the sake of having greater weight that i feel like they've got a library but if it's for farm there is that there's a row pine trees on the east side of that world that exists there now that provides that the issue is to retain the ability to farm agriculture limitations not financial that's present on the site both for planning commission select for the group to such specifically request ready so the limitation really that we have is that this is an agricultural space that we don't want to populate with troops there aren't troops there but who's to know how it gets farmed in the long term it's you're saying that the situation right now meets the standards but at the is for example where would you go up through that upper gate to the right will be one house up in the back of upon a hillside yes in fact it is twelve twelve percent grade to get through that gate up to there so it's up higher then there's a very deep go and then you come on up the other side going to be another house but it'll be over on the right kind of more down the field and that's what we're proposing to do we'll just one last question do you leave in this subdivision do you leave right away wide enough to accommodate future workroom standards if they were resource six properties decided they wanted a very dark room down there's the road there system to maintain a five hundred foot distance between dept walling units so it's physical unit some simming it's a it's to wall in wall not like center you know so it seems like it's a human it's not board and where is their plans for further subdivision development of this area call for the current access to meet the town's road standards man whereas said owners request the richmond slick board agreed to ply the public works best occasions for rural road to the current access which is currently the private blueberry farm road and where is completion of said road shall meet the current road specifications prior to acceptance by the slick court as such as verified by the highway form now therefore be it resolved by the richmond slike board that hereby applies the road standards to blueberry farm road which must therefore comply with that standard prior to being recognized as such damage come up and down that i get in a place like this i can't hear were that rural road standards wires that you specifically approve the waivers and have to do it in the letter to do the resolution and you mention the waivers oh ok great thank you femur as f h a where the applicants propose a sixteen foot roadway for width of about a thousand feet turnouts will be provided to to maintain a five hundred foot distance between  provided to maintain a fiver to put distance between twelve minutes so that was two to maintain a five hundred foot distance between growing units and three to maintain shade trees along the roads edge as referenced on the approved site  the spending taxation was proposed to increase five five and a half cents overall spending was up by over ten percent with some changes we've brought the taxation increased down to four four five cents and overall spending is up one point five three percent i think the big issues we need to tackle tonight are the library of the highway council plans but also discussion of any cost of living that we would like to apply to the salaries and if we can focus on those big items we can make those changes and come back and start fine tuning the individual elements at the next week town is facing from items such as health care which have been much much larger than that so to some extent the increases over the last three years what i personally have experience with and i think what i'm saying is i'm not sure i'm comfortable about doing the same way again this year just because i think we have things that have that have piled up the one thing we did last year that had it seem so you're going to do well on the tax rate but then where i mean just getting back to what what chris just saying about that's just that's just meeting inflation i mean if we're going to get it if we're going to get things done in town that we need to get done like like just increases like health care like the cost of gravel and salt i mean those are far more than two two and a half percent and one could argue that you know we should probably then have to cut somewhere else and maybe departments are going to have to start making decisions to what's a priority but just like just like with with with other areas of government do you see the services dwindle and and you start getting concerned that the services that used to provide are not providing any more and people who rely on those people want those services or they want or they need those services we're going to remember to go to  percent increase that they're looking for and then others like the library was some other big there are some bigger numbers so there are some departments that are asking for more and less so so i think maybe we maybe target those that we think like really relevant to say oh you know the result of this is they have no work to do and they probably don't have to work on the budget because they're already below that or are for fire but what it jails right and you're right maybe they need to justify why they couldn't get to that lower price and so so the departments need to come in to talk to us under a good deal yes which they've started doing but not everybody has come in and to with proposals that indicated no more than three percent increase in the budget over the twenty thirteen fiscal year while maintaining current levels of service if that's not possible we want to have some b explanation of why that is for the weak the poor prepared to come in and talk to us about it didn't think to kara's point if if they know they can do that their budget could include revenue that they think they could bruise because  writing it's fundraising it out there if their budget shows that they can they believe they're going to get this rant or they believe this and they can stay within three percent even though they're spending would look got for the replacement of the roof on the on the recreation field so there's two buildings there's the bathrooms and then there's the dome of the lake music side where the yeah the bench off so the two quotes that we got were from they were just like called up a company and they just said this is what it would be so one of them was almost fourteen thousand and that was for the band shell because it's cedar it's super shakes and i think that from what i was told is  that they wanted to the community wanted to keep that so that was probably an appropriate amount of money but then the concession stand was almost nine thousand dollars and i kind of had to like  we just got our roof done a standing seam roof or a little bit more than that for our whole roof and so i was like well what if we do the stripping ourselves but if we only have volunteer day you know because it's not a big structure and if we could save ten to i mean i know this is just an estimate from one person you know i get that and it could put it might even be half this but if we could save that i mean i'm sure there's probably people in the community who can do that we sure we've done proves i mean it just seems like a good even things that have a big a big impact that could potentially i mean this is almost one thousand dollars for a little structure i mean i don't want to put the super shakes up on top of the bench while i'm happy to spend whatever we need to spend but the concession so i think that that's that's where we can have some discussion about creative ways to meet our goals meet i mean ten thousand dollars is a big it's a big can make a significant  got to be a learning project all right so what else should we look at with regards to budget scotians does anybody have any thoughts  particularly capital i did want to i think i've asked this before but what are the reserve fund balances i get that yeah i think what i said that i think is that would also help inform our conversation of the useful website it's called is called read trends and key municipal website practices there was a representative from god office which i acknowledge that it was a contractor who is there to you know provide information but they do provide a service actually the l c t has a contract with them to do towns in the state so there are a number of software to use this couple office two to do one host to their website so it's hosting its maintenance its software updates its own support i t support we would maintain it are so if we went with a couple this type of thing we would maintain it we would add the content to it and they would design a template they provide support and the like a said software house did so we don't buy the software we just sort of license with them they create mobile web sites so that people who are looking at on their smartphones they don't assume you move it around it's set up for mobile sites they also will link to social media which they strongly encourage communities to be and then they also have the opportunity for e commerce which may actually be an external site through municipality and i think there's a fee associated with it but you may be able to use something as simple as pay pal or square pay pal can depending on the volume that you're doing you pay a certain amount for for pay pal and square is kind of a similar way you pay a straight percentage fee for credit card processes and it just goes into your account but municipalities a little bit more savvy because the new can you can say oh i pay my water bill or i want to pay my electric with somebody like gov office would allow us to have like you know town manager at richmond bt dot com as opposed to this issue that potentially we're running into right now with jim levy team going on to a different server you know that we have a we have  part of i feel like it was a stimulus grant to get templates that were that were uniform and that towns could purchase could buy into and so if you ever heard of the town of sand gate burma it's west of manchester well they have this type of website bristol has the second website and it was through the snelling center it was being managed and the person who they hired to do it they're no longer part of the grant but the woman still may be able to use that template to apply i have her number i need to call i was going to wait till we talked about this but you know th the prices are are all over you can get a catalogue and you can get just a basic model i think for the government office i looked and i feel like you we could get a you know a basic model with with mobile for i wan say like four to six thousand dollars depending on the size of our town and because it's contracted feel c t it's a it's only cobol contract and i want i feel like the website through the other one though it's much less savvy it's not mobile it's not linked with social y it's not fancy i feel like that's like maybe a thousand or fifteen hundred but i don't have exact numbers but and then the ongoing costs there is an ongoing sort of major raymond's first serve and those in the kind of the difference right the difference between if we went to it like of office or something similar like that is that again they take care of all the hosting the id the software updates if we went with somebody who just applied the template we would still have to pay somebody to post it to potentially page you could have a you know a select board page it can be use or there can be or content on there can also be a select word section two which could be even be a password protected that we can go in and get our board pie and just just sort of th sky's the limit of course if you have the money but even with a modest amount of money i think we could get a really good web site i actually r t inquired about grants and that's what got me to the snelling center and unfortunately there are no at the state level there's no grounds for that's not saying that there may not be and i also wanted to look and see if there was any for the tourism or for marketing because you know gateway to the great mountains maybe you know improve tourism but they don't really to develop this time great and the towns could take advantage of it right but because the grant is no longer there ray we made was a it's run its course exactly but the woman who lives and virgins or something says she may be able to be as a contractor to it because the grant for the template is still usable by anybody it was just designed in you're talking about developer because there's design and there's development but the design is done it would be adding  time tent to that design you're utilizing that template if we went with the way it was done doing that back office yes exactly and back to earth and i i can't i don't have the time to do it and it takes a developer exactly and so that's why we would if we went this way in theory it would be a contract with this person who are ready to use the templates who did it as part of the grants because she was contracted as part of the grant to develop it and apply it to the towns who took advantage of that she she could she could do what we needed to do right she could do what we needed to do she couldn't post it so we would still have to have it is still ours we have to fill in the wire forms we have to say once the design is that we have to put in w hopes ok so you know it's fairly good to write but we would have to find another person to host so you have somebody who's doing the design of the development and or development and then you'd have a hoster and then you'd have you know potentially all these and then you maybe not maybe  know and you don't want that know we were but we're buying the design and there's again there's add ons like there's the basic you know a four page model with two colors and one picture and that's this much money if you want six pages and six colors and four pictures that slide then it's this much money and so it really is dependent on what you want out of it and if you want to add on the e commerce stuff and if you want to have that in the mo pursue this would it be to to indicate one direction or another and then get better here to talk about it or are do you have recommendations yeah i mean i guess i'm happy with it because this is because i feel like this is as well so i'm happy to explore this woman who used to work under contract with with the state and kind of get some information from her what she could provide us and what the cost would be just general i actually think that's jumping the gun and i think what we need to do is with the information that you've got we need to do an error page so that it's not just one person but ok and we go you know i mean the woman who did it for the other towns who certainly would want her to submit right but then then because we now know you have enough information we now know what we would like in this website we want i think we're press is probably the content management system we want to use because it user friendly and anyone can make pages you know you want each different to have a page or however that is we need to figure out what we will work with the ideal b because we can then get put that out there and if it comes back that's just not affordable then we can figure out well departments are going to share a page in what we want right and then take a look at a bunch of different and that's a good point you need to do your homework to figure out what what you like i mean i'm going to this fact that the nonprofit that i'm working that i that i chair is what do we want out of the website what do we like have an item on the agenda but i actually think we need to start earlier than that and talk about what we're doing want to go with this because i think where we are as a town is still there are people in the town who are profoundly uncomfortable with the idea of more and more of the towns business being conducted on websites i personally think that it's some of the navigable you know and it's just it's the way that everything's going you can see it with the way in which past i think it is some of the more and more people in town are are becoming comfortable with and we're going to have to engage at some level but probably having some level of publicans input into what citizens would like to see and what they would like back as well and then we can do an informal one at at a town meeting day or something like that or or or obviously tomorrow i don't want to do it tomorrow it's too late but but it of any place where you're going to have a lot of people and you can just go around and say have taken an informal survey or formal survey of website development and how do you use it how would you like to use it where you have a lot of people all there one and this is the only section that has any content anyway i mean there's just a list of more that we could do there surely is you know what i'm some of these places even have like like like current events so that there's like a calendar and it can be any know about the financial report those figures otherwise it substantially is planning one from the state so that is actually not going to come due currently until f y twenty sixteen it says a repayment start date of ten sixteen ten twenty sixteen october twenty the seven zero it shows repayment start date of twenty fifth f y twenty fifteen it's actually currently scheduled to begin repayment on october twenty sixth team which would be f y sixteen and there's a cavity out there or and final design on not only jericho road but bridge street and east main street in depot street and some other things is that you don't actually have to start paying the debt back until everything that you planned to do is done so that being said we're not planning we're not we're not we haven't done bridge street we haven't done east main street so in theory this could keep getting pushed off and pushed off and pushed up which would be great for at least the water and sewer folks but what that means is that the drinking water program the revolving loan fund would need to stick keep putting it off further if they would need to see a plan for when those things and you plan for are going to happen and that would come in the form of a bond so basically in order to keep pushing it off is that we would have to say all right we're going to pass a bond in two thousand and sixteen to do bridge street and just turn out a number don't hold me to it in order to keep putting off the repayment of that plan and so if we kind of stop and say we're we don't have any plans to do anything anytime soon then that planning on would become would become due in october of twenty that loan as a five year zero percent loan paid for two years after the substantial completion of the project and the project for which it was designed to plan for and planning ok we might have one year where they are ok all right so and to further give a little explanation to this she it was brought up at the last meeting that we should take a look at our debt service to determine what the interest rates were if there was any ability to refinance one thing you'll notice is that director of the bond bank and he says they have a couple of goals in this primarily they need to see three percent net present value change and favorable change in the debt service and they also have limited investments on money that they bond for sometimes they have reserves or they haven't paid them yet and they have to be sure that they're not going into a pit of arbitron or pasta or positive few bonds where that would be practical anyway because a couple of them are evidently going to be paid off the fire truck that's done to twenty sixteen is that three point five seven percent so we wouldn't be able to get three points lower than that the two thousand seven highway garages at five point one five i believe that wind is a likely candidate to get refunded  and there we have jerk of road which we just did that one does it various rates to around four percent and then drops over time that may get refund i'm not sure that's probably a few years off and the other that is either short term which is five years or less from t d bank which is two point three two percent which is very good but of course we have the arab body which is  was fifty percent forgiveness the rest of it is zero percent interest with a two percent administrative fee to the state so we can't really do anything about that had asked about this because it because it came up with the conversation of what is what is a president acceptable debt ratio made it for the town and we didn't even know what our debt looked like so that's that's what we got it just didn't end retrospectives some of the communities i work with on on water rates is is when i when i look at what their debt is in reality and relative to the rest of their budget as is the general fund that's fine but the water and sewer is high  there's a community i'm working with that has a six hundred thousand dollars operating budget for just for the water system and they have one hundred thirty thousand dollars in debt and they felt like that was a lot and we have a you know a two three hundred thousand dollar operating budget and we're looking at one hundred fifty thousand dollars and we've got to hide we've got a high debt ratio for the for the buyer and seller commission for the water and seriously there's no doubt about that and there are several billion dollars of needed improvement on top of easy and we actually had a conversation is we haven't we haven't teased it out yet but the community are those we need  reasons not not least of which is that it offers significant fire protection for the for the community and it's a potential safety hazard for the community that if that take fails it's it's a significant impact to the community i mean you're trying to thousand dollars of water flooding down jericho road the schools out of water we have no fire suppression we have no rights of public drinking public health risk so putting the dead of a new storage tank which benefits the entire town because it protects the investment of the town maybe maybe worth a conversation in the coming weeks or flooding some equitable division of write offs you just fix blame because we don't have the details on this one can you just explain the miscellaneous right miscellaneous here's primarily insurance receipts  we get small payments and since this is based on a different report that the authors use to take the average data populate we have certain budget categories like but we don't have money that went out that shouldn't gun shows so i would be interested in knowing from the others why they would count it as revenue as opposed to a credit to our expense not get stuck up on this i think there's general agreement and where we are falling behind time waits there are other issues with this this report saying that revenues and expenditures of people to bring up at this point in the midst of the process you were are still technically under ten ministry so so what what would be what would you like to what do you think we should we should do here tonight  thoughts when did i think that was listed in the october fifteenth october first ok but i think it's it's worth our time and effort to make it clear both for ten employees but also for the public what changes we says also instead of having a member of the slick or meet with them it was decided that only liaison could be appointed to report to the let this slip board after regular meetings with search and rescue that was really about we had were having a conversation about slack with members serving on their board and the conversation was we don't really need to slip board member on their board we but we would like someone from their board serving as a lead liaison to report to us buildings doing sprinkler systems stuff like that and that should anybody's ever actually used any of the credits and we talked about maybe doing a workshop to make sure people are aware of the and i think this committee we've january just to bring people and let them know there's an economic development committee see how we can help and another thing i would do in an inventory that's the main thing there's limited things and then we talk quite a bit things one being a designated downtown designated village ok so a little bit you don't get as many of the benefit of having and second is course always looking out for the best interest of the water in certain apartment i sent an email to the  vermont boroughs association basically saying hey we've got extra capacity as water treatment plant but there's any starter is that looking i'm going to town we've got extra capacity for your video dave and we have an excellent water system that doesn't put a lot of chlorine in the water so be easier for you to filter it out and we have natural gas i said and of course as we are close to the highway we have a young vibrant community lots of good local restaurants were on the way to bolton were driving distance  underground wastewater disposal because it will clog up and many filter plants across the state are at capacity especially for b o d and so for us to have this extra capacity that's where we can take the sceptics because it is i as  where they're going to be organizing that committee and getting training other things stand starting in the beginning of january the boy that's all talked about the main goals of the committee or to more effectively use personnel people clear up the responsibilities need to be in such a situation so you know we're not just thinking things up as we go to better prepare the town for the next disaster here to explain more about what their plans are and thanks to marie thomas for her moving this line through her and also i think it's important and it's also time to start thinking about good great thing for retired person maybe somebody with infrastructure experience  to make me feel a lot more comfortable and or the prospects of not ending up in the situation that we were in the morning after irene ever again all right any other reports anything sure greater burlington industrial corp has requested that we send a letter of support for a service area of foreign trade zone for chip in that county this is primarily us to do with the lack after discussion was it appears as though the police department authorized break she made a chartable contribution to the national law enforcement officers memorial fund and i know chris chris said and i think we discussed that you know having charitable contributions from the town we don't know how we felt about that gentle contribution right there just requesting money from richmond police reoccurring problem it's been pointed out on the audit a number of times is the fact that we get we get a real cost for reimbursements to to town employees who are paying tax and and we've talked about this numerous times and it's it's my personal opinion because i run into it a lot that if if i am purchasing something on behalf of a nonprofit organization health and i don't put in the effort to go get the paperwork ahead of time to present to the vendor that that i  sales tax that i get the exact code so the point that i'm trying to make is that if you can't put in the effort to get the paperwork or have your town car or whatever you should be reimbursed for sales tax because that's part of your job is you work for the you need to be cognizant of the money that you're standing on the building this analogy where you don't get reimbursed for it this is a forty dollars remember tax i mean it's it's a home depot charge for five hundred seventy three dollars and forty and then add forty dollars on top of it for a total of six hundred thirteen dollars and i mean granted i'm sure it's totally reasonable to buy that to purchase the equipment but but tell us maybe this is right and it looks like it was that some of the some personal items were purchased at the same review i think we what we don't will be left as a policy if we want to dive to putting in place where actually it's not stated which i would support we have talked about we are not really policy but we have talked about not paying sales it was a dollar seventy attacks it was already on the whole it was like forty on the whole thing i misread the white suit he was looking for reimbursed but but regardless it's been happening so the reimbursement that he was looking for was for one hundred sixty five dollars out of benefits for the aid to skip around but the staples one thing it was an in store purchase kathleen gent was the one who purchased made the purchase and it was using a staples charge and so it unless she had it's because the tax the tax exempt isn't built into the charge card it should be built into a like a rewards program right but we do it because this wasn't sent this w reimbursed to hershey i authorize that it goes to whatever it is and it's but it looks like yeah so this was almost twelve dollars in tax well we have a tax exempt court that we're