host communications from the audience for items that are not listed as a public hearing on the agenda can come forward at this time by as the podium turns around  just to state your name and address and have five minutes hi there my name is susan gray and representing house of grace boys home at the current church building at one seventy three west twentieth street here in holland and i would like to rick respectfully request some time on your agenda to perhaps study next month the possibility of rezoning to include a secondary use to the church building we will be reopening this had been imagined fellowship in the past pastor wayne coleman took the call and in grand rapids in the building has been empty we have purchased the building in our opening services in october however not to our plan at all but upon learning the disposition of holland in that howland christian scuse me home public schools as well as west out of the public schools are reporting large numbers of homeless children two hundred seventeen children were in attendance at holland high school at the end of last school year west added was homeless children numbers are between fifty and two hundred at all times according to tom martin superintendent of schools so having about thirty five hundred square feet of not unused space within the church building we'd like to partner with bethany christian services and according to the state regulations open up in that space to fifteen to eighteen year old young boys who are currently homeless they would be within the d h s s system they probably have been housed before within foster care and have not been adopted or maybe their parents rights have been terminated and they've been with grandma and grandma has dementia and now they're couch hopping or they're currently under the gazebos in our church buildings and parks and this is a real problem so this isn't my area of expertise i'm a business woman and a prison minister but we surely like to you know make sure that these young men are not having a prison address in the future ok so we'd like for you to be able to entertain and discuss this issue and possibly open up  possibility of us having a secondary use at house of lords grace and this use who had come to be called house of grace boys home i'm very cognizant of neighborhood values being a realtor being in real estate sustains a ministry nobody pays my salary ok so i'm very cognizant of how this affects neighborhood it would be approached with great sensitivity and staffed around the clock screens and five hundred seats and it'll take up roughly about one third of the main floor of the building and the entire second floor of the building so as you can see there's room for other retailers on the main floor which we do not have names for at this time but we have spaces identified the site plan that we've delivered to you shows a couple of things that we need to address here tonight and one of those is the side that be the east side patio and walkway that runs along the property and runs from eighth street to the future parking deck to the south that side or could be proposed at six feet wide and there'll be a patio along side of it for outdoor dining of ten feet wide and also we have a lighting along that sidewalk which will be from the building and we may even add some additional lighting in the future but right now there's lighting shown along the patio with four large  lanterns and then some wall packs as well on the building also then on the south side of the building we have the say plane showing the sidewalk which will continue along the south side and tie in with the parking deck to the south and there's a little connection you might see in the southeast corner there where the sidewalk connects to the the parking deck area and then also there will be a ability to cross that service drive in the back from the parking deck and all that area will be snow melted and low volume of service vehicles so we hope that that has a very pedestrian feel landscaping along the building landscaping along the parking deck and then a hard surface in between with was snow melt in a way finding signs so that people can mingle back here and come and go to the building now you'll see there's a main entrance to the movie house kind of in the middle of the building and then there will be back entrances to the other retailers as well so everyone will have a rear entrance off of the the the parking deck and front entrance off of the street now in the rear the drawing you see right now is the rear wall and we have windows shown and some of those windows on the second floors will line up with with uses such as offices and that but some of those windows also will be not totally visual into the building because the theaters will be there so it will have the look of windows but you won't be able to see into the theater so i just want to make that clear that those windows will not be totally opaque but they will be glass and they will look like windows that on the lower level that's masonry and we have many uses along that back wall which really don't present the opportunity to have other glass at that level i would expect those doors at the hallways there those will be glass and you'll be able to look into the entryway but then on the sides will be things like restrooms and a theater and kitchen to the restaurant and things like that along that back wall that really don't provide a good location for other windows back there so we've addressed that concern and that requirement with additional lighting back there and also we're going to put security cameras in the parking deck and we work with the police department on that and will add some security cameras in that back service area pedestrian way on the south side of the building as well so we'll have total security both from lighting and cameras back there so things are are still safe i mean i think what other items i need to address the front elevation maybe we could talk about  a large glass lobby so you come in on the main floor of the theater and you'll be able to buy your tickets and popcorn and things like that and then there will be an escalator inside that wall so take you up to the second floor so the b three three fifty enters on the first level and eight theaters on the second floor and they will be concessions on both floors and then as you can see in that lobby that's where they'll be gathering areas and then also on the second floor tables and a bar and where the restaurant dining will take place for pre and post movie times so that's kind of how that lobby works obviously restrooms and there also is an a neat little feature they've added with a window on eighth street of of the main floor lobby that you can actually buy your ticket and popcorn right out that window and stay on eighth street and then come in and use a theater now most of the ticket sales actual be all electronic because it's all done on the internet you actually buy a cd so you go to a movie and you buy the seat they give you the exact seat number and then when you want to buy food or drinks they know exactly where you're sitting and they bring you whatever it is you ordered so it's all like tronic i'm sure you can do that i'm sure you'll figure it out now i might  a and mcdonald's and others well now they've also started a seeding line in the movie business and so all this is going to be showroom in a way for them to build their latest and greatest seeds so that we're kind of excited about that and i know chuck reed the owner of charles is very excited to have a downtown location so i think i covered most of that you know the restaurant featured that we show on the main level is is a potential it's a vision that we have we don't we don't have that quite figured out and then on the east side a couple of other retailers and we're talking to a couple that are very interested so ever since this project was announced we've we've had some really good activity on the on the commercial side as well right wow this is a big project for you it is this will build a bigger one so last question might be when to look time is is currently occupying the building that would be on the far east side of this project so once they move into their new location which probably february then we can tear that office down and get started with this project and we expected to take about a year to buil and you already started demo lighthouse right you know we're working on that i know we've got on the permitting process on that we put the fence up and we get utilities deep detached from the building and everything like that and i know a demo contractor is under contract so i'm not exactly sure their schedule but will be any any day now you had noticed the fence that had gone up and you know yeah i seem to remember you were down mentioning that at some point yeah yeah we want to we want to start preparing that that land and start transitioning some of our construction work area because what's going to happen is once we get started on the parking deck we need to move off of that land off of its tree and free that up and there's a quite a  bit excavation and utility work that has to happen so we've been working quite a bit with the power company in the gas company and everybody to get all the utilities masterplan for this block in some ways billions have to come out of there to do that before this no fly yeah right and you other questions is there any more popular project you've ever done this and this one is very exciting and we're just thrilled to be part of this project any other questions from the applicant from anybody then gotcha all right at this time i open a public hearing on this project you can come forward and make statements on this item there's actually only one o p r optional plan review the only after optional plan review is for the twenty five percent less than twenty five percent transparency in the not actually require an optional plan or a view that planning commission can just simply approve or not approve also that's approved  but you are saying that the movie house and retail suites that's a separate two motions correct so the two motions would be the first for the site plan which is the  entire movie house and retail swedes and then this second option is just for that twenty five percent optional plan review gotcha less than twenty five percent all right got it all those in favor opposed and now we need a discussion or motion on the less than twenty five percent going to public here in the year that was included in the public hearing less than twenty five percent window frontage on this elevation of the building that faces the parking lot the parking structure is your as the applicant you're up again ok quick introduce that as you recall last month we approve the site plan with a little s zig in that driveway so as to stay far enough away from tying avenue to meet the requirements for a street which the first few feet of that corridor or becoming a street well really we'd like to ask for now a change to that to this street alignment and we've met with the fire department and they really like this as well and it's a minor minor o p our revision of a setback i think what it still goes is meets ordinance in town and that is that we can allow building on the corner and you can see that and that's in the plan still so we'd like you proof this site planned with this street driveway hostle from holland board of public works service the broadband services manager at the d p w i'm responsible for fiber optics construction and operations throughout our community as you well know we're we're very excited about that we're about ready to start construction part of this process is all those fibers running to all those buildings all eight hundred sixty four of them need to go somewhere and that's to a fiber communications hut  we scoured the city to find a great spot working with brian white and discovered a little cubby hole in the back behind the seven street parking deck there and this visual you see on the display is a mock up of what that will look like ultimately i'm here before you after going through the appeals board successfully we have a setback on this building that's  beyond the permitted him out it's forty five feet is that right gena today roughly the requirement is twenty five feet this is not a publicly assessable building as a matter fact our team will not be in there very much so it needs to be tucked away hidden from public view and regular access so we're looking for approval of the site plan to get back there what is the size of it it's  nine by sixteen nine by sixteen by eight and a half eight and a half so it's actually shorter than the parking deck so you will be able to see it from the street or we've additionally we've talked a back in this corner on this parcel  there's a chance that the property next to it could someday be developed and we didn't want to take the visual capabilities of that property so we talked of back in this corner  a concrete prefab hut you may have seen one sitting under a cell tower it's going to be like color to the parking garage so it'll match nicely will blend right in i hope so you'll never be able to see this were twofold we're about the ninety percent per range right now it's it's a go so far way in a couple small things but this is one huge thing that has to happen for us to go forward  determining the area that we needed the square footage for all the different manufacturers that have to take place but a year ago we did a study on our r lot and what we needed and then i found out that that basically is my  sideline that kind of got into some problems so i'm here today to ask that we either rezone it or text amendment as mark has told told us and told me about it just makes real good sense in my as we look at our lot i can't use the the east third is is a easement for drainage so i cannot go east at all and i have this huge space to the to the west and i'm really hampered that orange box that you see is really in ordinance i can do that but it would take me moving my whole driveway take the aesthetics away from the front really drives by and cost a great deal more money and i still would be slim on what i need four square footage so our desire would be to move another use the available land to the  west to get that square footage i can get about twenty two hundred twenty two thousand six hundred square feet if i can use one hundred twenty feet of that one hundred fifty feet that we have on that side lot keep it all looking the same as three and a half million dollars in equipment on the inside of it same purpose we built special equipment there we're not changing that it'll be more of a product line for us but it's still a piece of equipment using the same things that i use are today i currently make make them we're in a development stage with it so really nothing different on that part as far as utilities the only thing that we see an increase on is electricity will be probably doubling of our i've been received so well here it's been wonderful we love where we're at it's easy to get on one ninety six it's easy to go thirty one north we'd like it we don't want to move but with this opportunity we need to get a little bit bigger so you know we're just here to ask that we can use that piece of property that sits there and only thing we have to remove i think you can see it there's three or four pine trees and a berm rest of it like he says we had some guys used to bring golf clubs and in and jumped in the afternoon during lunchtime so we're just hoping that we can use that  neighbors that that's a dead end road nobody goes down there and i know it's all for for what that is used for but i did take a look at your master plan before even asked and it's it's what it's there for so we're open to just use more of the land that we have great thank you any questions for the applicant looks like it will balance the building i like the design yes it will be an age ok yeah and you're good with  either want to work for us we don't see us going any higher than forty feet i did think about that i believe that the building behind us is higher than forty feet i've been in there that cooling tower is higher than that the text amendment works fine for me or  e i one i don't it's my uses good for either one of them so i don't have a problem re you planning on construction or hoping if it goes which we're trying to get in the next two weeks or three weeks we will start the process of getting the built like i said i already had a design done a year ago and i need more room so i don't have to loop do a little bit more work and i can't start that till i get this nailed down and we've talked about the timing because it's we're talking way into of october before it would become official official that it if it did happen so we hopefully get a good cuddly feeling in the neck today we can start that process of moving forward their design so that's what we're hoping for  all right yes mark yes brooke if i can just add this and i think i share this with the two you would have to come in foresight you know and review procedure also on this because this is in the immediate vicinity of the will close the public hearing right questions comments we will be how do we get to the quickest what's the quickest way to get so we can get rolling i guess would it would first you would make a recommend recommendation of approval to city council they would need to introduce a and then they would need the second meeting for the public hearing so timeframe wise it is the we appreciate your investment and we're glad you like it here and watch of the like it even more i'll make a motion that we forward to counsel a text amendment to change the side yard setback from seventy five to twenty the side step back is the same as the front side back right so so you know man my emotion and that the front set back where would it be that this is the front step back is twenty five feet along with the side five feet is the same as the high one setback that's that's my motion is to go for twenty five ok sport that all those in favor i pose all right are we clear on that now we are thank you wonderful good next item extension of sight plan approval for apple dorn assisted living located at six thirty seven apple dr start construction on our second phase this year but i don't see with our current market demand that we're going to be breaking this year's any questions renewed under communications and petitions scheduling a public hearings we had talked about doing next month the excess to restructure ten commandments for october tenth correct we want to the really good christmas present for you are just like last year any other encouraging communications from commission members in october that i think really what she's looking to do because right now she's not allowed to have a residential use on the property that would be hosing you no more than four in that church property so the notion i think her request is either to see if the planning commission might be open to doing some kind of a rezoning of the property maybe deal like a p r d s zone district or potentially entertaining some kind of a text amendment to potentially allow the use of that nature so i can i ask question  you when we changed that you know this would have been probably twenty years ago when we outlawed boarding houses which allowed you up to twenty eight think it was some ridiculous number could be some text of if that was potentially shifted over to the t r and district because their property zone around if that was was was shifted over that could accommodate this type of or some kind of a p r d just pinpoint rezoning of the property then you could put a number of conditions on it so when we just strictly are talking what what legal way could the planning commission and city council do to accommodate this use should you want to look to to approve that you know that's it's not saying that you want to do it we're just kind of lay no legal kind of options that could be investigated so i guess that the notion is to see if you would like to schedule that for a study session for your next meeting to a tee at least take a look at it staff is and anything else or we'll discuss fences whether americans there or not yes yeah i have i think a study session is is worthy as i think most things are worthy of studying i have serious concerns with this housing it has more to do with our very broad policies of ensuring that our neighborhoods and traditional neighborhoods maintain their character as traditional neighborhoods and we did a lot of work prior to my even living in this town of ensuring that those those parts of town are single family residences and that we're driving toward that type of of use rather than a very large boarding house and sixty four we also sixty four was also a reflection of that policy as well so i do those concerns when we start to talk about the numbers of people that they are looking to place into this single residence and the challenges that come with concentrating a lot of people i just i have some serious concerns so i think talking about it is worthwhile for knowing that we have seen this go the other way because of other uses  all right motion for a german