because technically he's chair of tape so but we usually start with the public to be heard is there anybody here to speak public to be heard that is not on the agenda the front porch for him you know when contractions like we've started but yeah it's going to go from where the sidewalk currently ends down to pratt road and if you want to stop in some time and i can show you the plan so you can see where on the property it will be an opportunity for people to come in here and so we're planning for is a scoping study to see only the feasibility of creating a shared you use path from jericho corners to riverside and then there is the small scale construction project of the pedestrian activity flashing beacons for the cross walk on river road the north and south cross walks in jericho center and then the raised cross walk  at the store and there's a large construction project being shared use path segment two of the m m u path that would be from pratt road to the river road the only thing t large scale right what are they i'm sorry the large scale segment two of them you passed so the pratt road to lever road right in the small scale construction is the flashing beacons for our remaining crosswalks which would be two in jericho center north and south one and then the one on river road at browns river middle school and then also the cross walk in front of the store being a raised crosswalk that's the point of the study concept is connected to the study figures out maybe go raceway for that or include that you know there's a you know real tree there yeah yeah yeah so sorry but anyway yeah wonderful idea difficult and how did a good job done it again a find the ones we still have still haven't know about i think some of that there is a process for resurrecting ancient roads even if you've lost them ha supports the budget of the fire department every year each year the same here will mention the same questions keep coming up and they have to do with accountability and sustainability and so you know although over the years randy carr became more open with the budget and met champlin the current chief has worked with the tonight to expand upon the budget you know looking at their budget is there you know what more can be done to make the community comfortable with the unability of their budget i mean i i see that that's an important chief matt came in and did a presentation maybe that's something that can be expanded upon because people are worried you know of the sustainability what's our cost benefit without impacting public safety issues  you know there's major discussions even throughout the can jeanine county on that because a lot of towns are concerned about the ever increasing squeeze on t you're also talking can you possibly share equipment is this something your committee could look at is it feasible to you you know very large pieces of equipment is it possible to share those among communities without impacting public safety because otherwise you know everybody is running around trying to get the latest in the best is is that the best use of people's money you know we're certainly not going to impact public safety but you want to you know look at things like that you know the throughout the county there are multiple not for profit there's also fire districts there's also municipal i mean you don't look at the ideas to look at what makes sense going forward for the next hundred years maybe it's still the same maybe it's  not for profits among the different communities there's different relationships with the select boards or a legislative body based on what their charter is with the community and quite frankly as you know we've talked about that as a board is that going forward within a few years the contract with the u k of expires so maybe this is going to give us a handle of what the next contract is going to look like you know i mean because there's you know charlotte has an discussions about three years ago this sort of investigation was conducted by the select board not by us so there you know i think so so i mean you know and actually some of this is being played out across the state because under the c x a few weeks ago there was they talked about i think the manchester dorsett area they actually hired a consultant to come in because they were looking at the cost of the fire the the rescue squad  morphing into looking at whether they should merge fire departments and things like that as well in the current size and stuff so i you know whether that's a consultant that you know makes sense down the road that you know one hundred dollars doesn't go very  these things because even though people could have asked about how heinsberg works transferred turns out it's not for profit is well and it's very annoying people on their select for now sometimes they feel about what's going on i mean there are issues you know no matter you know that it's not the be all and end all is well terms of cost but i think it's i think it's very important not to have any  little evidence that any particular structure better than any other and i remember particularly at the height of the privatization of the telecom and electrical industries around the world when i was a chief economist of the world distribution of efficiency is the distribution everything was identical post and prior that didn't mean there wasn't a distribution there were big differences in performance but the reformers couldn't be linked to whether  private or public or not it linked was linked to the history mostly to the history and culture of individual institutions and so one of the most efficient telekinetic men occasions organizations in the world at the time i was doing this was ethiopia they had a peculiar history to telecommunications and it was started as a as a as a as a public interest you know overseas development thing by the swedish telco and they were they had twenty years to build a really good really efficient really well run really accountable really everything t which surpassed in performance most of the developed country once including most of the ones here and so why there was an accident it's not i mean ethiopian things in general aren't efficient or a good  is you know them around the morale is excellent them around there's a real sense of pride in performance there and they consider themselves one of us not the best of us actually right or not it doesn't matter they have that feeling and that's a good thing that's a that's an active serious asset to the to the town and to that end and that pride came in the past with some arrogance no doubt about it and that arrogance cause friction with the town's generally speaking i think it's gotten better but it hasn't gone away and i think it might be worth thinking about how to address it because that's the problem a sense of arrogance a sense of we do what we please because we know who the best and you're just civilians which is not a productive constructive attitude i think that attitude in the in the in the fire department has declined substantially in the fifteen years i've been sixteen years i've been in this town but it hasn't gone away and it might be good to think about how to address the problem rather than real out sort of wheel out structural structure doesn't get that i mean i guess if you don't change the structure and you still have the same problem because attitudes and people and history have been changed and i think we have a few exceptions aside i think we have a change a productive attitude on the other side toward working out real improvement and i'd hate us see that lost by us of being arrogant who say we should or should be a can't i doubt i doubt a a serious research effort costing one hundred fifty thousand dollars would generate much much light and that's my own personal feeling trying to focus on the on the know i don't know i only know what the what the but the officers in you know at the fair at our fire department say about their performance and i would love to have an outside expert i'll also give their opinion the two are connected i mean him of course but i think most the safest car which costs and i think that's where a lot of the public are coming from on these take that me asking the same questions year after year at what point is too much too much what is your current relationship with the party or how often you get it's the relationship with underhill in the fire that could be done better yeah i agree we don't have we had a mutually hadn't had a joint meeting with them this year is the first time since i've been on the select berth so we had a joint meeting with under ho but that's that's something to think about because you know with the bigger brother in this relationship and not only the bigger brother but we also have specific issues you know like the rivers of property which is only when it comes to the exploration of our department because that's where a lot of this sounds like to me at a superficial level that there's a lack of education you're right general public as to the  best interests of the town so why are you bugging us and that has that doesn't peculiar to or there you go the other way i could go back you know completely other way where the general public doesn't understand what goes on issue here that touches on my and i stick my strongest sense about this is that our fire department could do more in terms of outreach in terms of outrage and i don't know what that looks like exactly but i do remember when harry was hired as a full time guy that i was expecting to have more of a spokesperson or to hire here more whether that meant for you know online form postings with up deeds or you know a community barbecue or fundraising members or as a citizen this is i have it and i kept thinking that i thought that was going to happen and then it didn't but that's not hasn't with that specific person but i feel that there's not a lot of outreach and there certainly isn't any fundraising i don't know if that you know but what i would want out of you that i just did is to value it that you know me try to evaluate that and to make some in the end depending on what you find you know to have a set of recommendations suggestions one of the misleading factor for the photo what is the current fire department right because that indicates that the part of the town right they used to be extremely touchy about the fact that they are an independent nonprofit corporation and they become less so it's become less of a macho thing which is good but there's still a sense legitimate understandable that we're the pros and that's it isn't it is a a line of work that does require real expertise you know and the is excellent because that's when they need it when they needed and when the people turn up and you know when my kid had a terrible car crash in the middle of the night which totaled his car and could have killed him and they were there three o'clock in the morning you know ten minutes after it happened or less you know it's hard not to feel good about it and a lot of people have that experience a lot of the personal relationship whenever the services rendered it's good i don't i have never heard a complaint about that at all which is why i think there is this thank hounding me even among the public about they'll support the budget because they support people in the job they do because of that but yet they feel left out of the it's really there you actively and yeah if so what really ends up there is causing these triggers it is the fact that the public doesn't feel that there is any place where you go you know where do they live learn about the budget do they have input on it how you mean when i first came in sixteen years ago the town and and the fire department were daggers drawn and you know really ugly and it's massively better now so no we're not surprised because it's always been there long but fact is we don't get a lot of complaints so i don't think it would be i don't see a little careful about assuming that there is a really urge you not to assume that there's so those are structural magic bullets for this right they don't shy away from looking at that i think that needs to be looked at and i think that's part of the expectation from the town i want to understand that  it's there's a there's a and i'm certainly not telling you this is what you should the conclusion you should come to but i would like to sing that seventy five percent of this problem is a perception and a communication problem not a real problem and i think that's resolve by structural actions it's a it's a cultural thing and and i think the last three chiefs are moving in a right direction but and i'm i would like to i would like to think but i don't know you know that's why we don't have that and this is something that can be best addressed by shall we say soft measures that that that go at the communication and the p nightly watching yeah and don't try and just fix it by radical restructuring and not that i'm against radical restructuring i just don't think that's the issue here but i think it's more that there are  because contracts a big one you know has to be written in a couple years any lane so you know what is it people want to you know where do they feel that they get to be accountable then you know and it really is within a contract contractual structure  whole subculture the fact that we are a considerable part of our body politic and represent many views that are represented in the body politic you that broadly speaking we are whatever we have a fire department that performs pretty well that can be tested out well but certainly the people i've spoken to in other parts of the state and i spent the last six years seven years of my life i spent you know sixty hours a week on the other side of the state in twenty four other towns and this this fire department is well known around the hard work that comes out of that would be a shame to destroy undermine there's also an arrogance which it would be good to reduce but you don't want to you don't want to just  they have a sense of how underhill you know feels in general about the budget and if they have the scene maybe distrust or whatever we're describing this has issues that come up year after year i don't even know i don't need their minutes of their town meeting but  talk to the general public that aren't saying anything that may not even know it's an issue or are voicing their issue to actually see what the majority minority speaking up now we're going to get a good idea what the majority very good point goodis clarify and i think you are he said this our interaction with the fire department today is we have a multi year contract and we do it and will budget conversation secor  and they say yeah we do and here's why and it's nonexperts but like most of you you probably spend a lot of your time listening when you're not into things you often have to make judgments in areas you're not an expert and you have to listen to experts and judge experts even though you're not one that's part of life but there was a lot and i'm not saying you know what is that last incremental yeah spent you know if you know you can you can reach a point and then beyond that that marginal cost is so high to reduce you know to make it better is it really worth that kind compared to those of policy questions and the highest level of these tradeoffs that it's our business to make  trucks also a big part of their expenditures they're reading up around a very expensive knowledge of expensive it has to be certified regularly and you know we all we can do is ask them and hear what they have to say and hear whether what they have to say makes sense to an intelligent layman they usually are in a position to provide provide some  just bit i mean it can be explained in a lot of different ways but we want you to investigate it and you know give us your feedback is there but it's really big it's bigger than other towns our size so why and my question to you is do they have any responsibility as a nonprofit to do any fund raising at all i mean do we as a town want them to do that and how can we and if so how can we make that happen or you know  maybe it's just my perception is skewed but i thought that a lot of fire departments do fundraise yes yes our fire department doesn't do any fundraising so why is that and  mainly because they are the principal source of income is actual insurance payments when the whenever you know ambulance goes out find a price on how the source of income could they raise some money maybe but they that kind of stuff isn't available to the insurance companies don't pay the fire department when they come and put out a blaze that maybe they should with a doctor and i'm going to definitely not saying that i think that that i should i say decrease the time they have some other one right something that would be worth your while there is a perception there is certainly in some quarters that the fire department is is is radically radically gold plated fat expensive so i'm not sure this is true i frankly rather doubt it's true but as you know we don't know that's a planning the public plan into now yeah man came in here and made a substantial presentation couple months ago which assuming his numbers are correct doing it with our real really works absolutely it has to be together and you have to look at both and the metrics i mean are you i mean if the metric is is how many trips you make to a fire but one town is doing a great deal of outreach and education so that the fires don't want to happen and another isn't so there are a lot more fires which was one of the implications of the comparison with heinsberg that heinsberg was radically less outrage and has radically more not the fires but the unnecessary calls for the for the trivial stuff because of the lack of education people don't realize they shouldn't call for this they don't have to go for that or they should turn this off before it gets out that requires more investigation that really does  if you really want to extend that discussion i mean you know there's the i says thing works for some insurance companies but not for all whether reduces your but we all know that if you have in home sprinklers that really reduces your insurance prices a cost a fortune so you know is there something you know that you know you look at in the future for the zoning of me to reduce you know when there's new homes rather than you know adding more more equipment to the fire department because even with some of this fancy high tech stuff the reality it comes down to look to water and if water isn't there it doesn't matter that you have the fanciest letter truck in the world it's not going to save compared to other people and what can we do better and differently and how can we if there is a like a this distrust which i think there is but maybe you can quantify that if there is that how what steps can we take i believe that actions change perceptions and they're just saying from now on you know this is how we're going to is it at meetings is the open meetings these are the events these are the you know these are per calls i believe that changes the way know one more question for you guys going back to the justification of whatever they need want desire of percentage of how often you feel they provide you with hard and fast standards procedures this is really why here it is a national standard compared to because i say or we eleven years ago to improve relations was that they develop an actual explicit articulated capital expenditure plan so we can see why how long they were running their trucks why they were going to the other stuff and they've done that and they've been consistent about it now we have you know occasionally differences because they don't use exactly the same procedures for managing so for thinking about it as we do but over time but they've been pretty you flexible on that and they're selling in this business unfortunately i'm old so i have a perspective and i'm looking at how far things have come since nine hundred ninety nine and they've come quite a long way and it is not the case apart from a little hard core people there the bulk of the people we genuinely will try to improve relations and they have their own point of view you can't just you know they're not just lying down and walking in and you know licking her boots or anything but i think there's a genuine wish to get this better and we should work with that and not stiff it mean randy jr was a big improvement on what went before todd was also although he's not as articulate no healing he is a is a big step forward  very articulate very bright and quiet from his professional life quite financially sophisticated and say very articulate so there's an opportunity as long as he's the chief over response over and if they're so that everyone is being paid a stipend for the traffic accident for instance and you have over response if you have to more people than are trucks there and and i've had a number of this because i've noticed that too and i really wonder about that and i've had a number of conversations over the last six or seven years about this with the rescue with essex rescue which is very responsive and they talk well with the new management at richmond with other rescue folks around the most on the east side and and i've to think about how the actual reality of dispatch happens so a call comes in a nine one one call comes in and it did and when the dispatcher gets that they really don't know what's there it's an accident nine one one somebody on their phone says is a car in the ditch and i don't know and so they have to they are by law required to dispatch sufficient to deal with a very severe situation and furthermore they don't know who's going there i mean the dispatch is that the point is to get as many to get the necessary things they're  we don't know maybe they see that in every town maybe it's like a town you know propensity to hate their local paper everybody trashes their local paper that's what they do in every town everywhere maybe it's the same thing they say too many firefighters and you must show up for everything i don't know maybe a d m s guys get paid what in their day or that happens everywhere so you have to be a little a little doubtful you know because there's an actual there's an actual conflict of interest there if they're if they're if they're person goes out they get and towns around were involved too sometimes they drank a joint or they used to be that's a big chunk of them and then you'd have a hard time generating amazing collection it's just kind of wow i mean the chair the chairman of the c fibers a former professor of electrical engineering at mit all my guys treasure is a former senior vice yeah well the population does exist so the next thing you have is the we need to renew the build center does ignition from riverside so you just need to both do so to do so yeah yeah he has strengths and weaknesses so this is money this is money so the next hour transfers quite a few of them you've pre approved such is th transfers for the excavator purchase the transfer for the delinquent tax sell the swap house it was budgeted that we would pay the reappraisal contract other reappraisal fund thank you had budgeted money for library related to prove minson so we're covering what we needed to spend for the septic and water design for the library of buildings property front and in the transfers to river reserves are really mandated we've got the state money for reprisal that's going to go into the fund and then the balance of four dollars per page going to the reserve after you subtract what we pay for the a c s system so at this point  we got like say we have grant funded projects where we've made the expenditure well we haven't received the actual income yet we still book that income even though we haven't received it yet and same with do you mean that we we fund that and the time no no there just there are some things will need to what i'm trying to say is at this point are the funds that fund balance for the end of the a positive fund balance for the facility i don't know how much at this point we're standing in a hundred and brown one hundred eighty thousand and you think that will be i think it's not going to be far off from that and that's always a good but you know o just recommend that you approve those transfers that are presented and i make a motion that we  approve the transfers out of reserves as presented on july second by staff and transfers to special meeting during the day to do that because we've got time with the changes but at this point  a grand list has been lodged suman we don't find any errors that change numbers a little bit not that there would be significant it looks like the town general fund tax rate will be the increase will be a little less than what we anticipated when we put the budget together i think will be about nine dollars per hundred of assessed value at the time we put the budget together we thought it was going to be around ten dollars so people be thrilled to prove temporary permanent highway users and then you go into this long discussion and then you finally find out where it is in the motion of the you know like when one thousand three hundred twenty one we probably should say approved temporary permanent highway easements for the browns trees traffic do any other business before that well then i'll make a motion to go into executive session for the person the purpose of commercial secon