good afternoon the meeting of the housing human services and transportation committee or now come to order it is one thirty seven p m on thursday june eighteenth twenty fifteen c secret all chair of the housing human services and transportation committee today the meeting of the housing and human services as is on our agenda before we begin may i please request that we all turn off our science or cell phones or other noisemaking devices at this time at by to introduce our committee voting members  yoshimura legislative analysts members with your permission before we begin today the chair would like to take a moment to recognize our director this will be her final committee meeting she will be retiring from the county on june thirt we count these homegrown treasure housing and human concerns director mr joy ann reid it is her intent to retire from this phase of career effective june thirtieth twenty fift director she is responsible for managing and overseeing the operations and budgets imagine of seven divisions housing office an aging kano a senior center grants management the volunteer center early childhood center and immigration services her earned accolades leave her footprints for many to follow but many a place where not enough of us have walked her leadership skills will be missed as she has to know how to address issues relating to affordable housing homelessness or an immigrant's joy ann facilitates the mission of housing and human concerns very naturally our mission is to support and hands the social well being of the citizens of  in my few years that i have had the privilege of working with miss regard i am gratified to have had the experience to work with the director a public servant that is ever so mindful of the aloha is the essence of relationships in which each person is important to every person for kalev collective existence on behalf of my we county our committee for a little while we see a whole and we say members we have one item on the agenda today h h t six amending chapter two point nine six my wee county code relating to residential workforce housing policy let's start with public testimony assisting us this afternoon from the hana district office is don thank you and in relation to public testimony for individuals who will be testifying in the chamber please sign up at the desk located in the eighth floor lobby just outside the chamber door if you will be testifying from the remote testimony location specified on the meeting agenda please sign up with the council staff at that location just the morning will be limited to the items listed on the agenda today and pursuant to the rules of the council each testifier will be allowed to testify for up to three minutes per item which one minute to conclude if requested when testifying please state your name and the name of any organization you are representing do we have any testifiers at this time we have no testifiers in the chamber i will check with our district office mis anyone wishing to provide testimony from one hundred district office agenda item amending chapter two point nine six residential workforce housing policy we also have in our chambers personnel from housing is by the l media assistant housing administrator and deputy director jens shishi to thank you for being here the committee is in receipt of county communicate ssion fifteen dash nine three f the director of housing and human concerns transmitting a proposed bill untitled a bill for an ordinance amending chapter two point nine six mo we county code relating to the residential workforce housing policy credits and foreclosures the purpose of the proposed bill is to provide clarification specific to sections two point nine six point zero five zero and two point one six point zero six  zero relating to credits and foreclosures correspondence dated june second twenty fifteen from the director of housing and human concerns transmitting a proposed bill and title a bill for an ordinance amending chapter two point nine six ma we county code relating to the residential workforce housing policy and chapter two one two or one revised status project the purpose of the proposed bill is to provide provide cover for cation specific to section two point one six point three zero most county code to state that in the event that the terms in chapter two or one time i would like to ask the department to provide us some background on the matter and any comments yes thank you chair this is pretty much a house cleaning  issue regarding the credit so we ran into different interpretations and of course not to anyone's fault but you know developers are going to look for their best interests and so think maybe we should take it one at a time so all is all that jeff explained and what some of the challenges he ran into with the credits when this issue came up on our working on the workforce housing agreements thank you mr thank you chair when reading two point one six zero five zero a was brought to our attention that it talks about in excess of residential workforce housing units required by section two point one six will only applies to those market units so in one hundred percent affordable project since the units required affordable units require residential or for housing units require zero interpretation there was that someone would be eligible for one hundred percent credits our understanding from discussions with counsel was counsel preferred to only give seventy five percent credits of the total number of units even if the were doing one hundred percent affordable so we just put this language in so it's clear thank you chair thank you members any comments discussion required to do twenty five percent of market so the intent was you should only be eligible for credits for you know seventy five percent of your project that was our understanding but again it's not councils policy here so if you guys want to choose some other number or even see one hundred percent affordable housing projects are eligible for a one hundred percent credits just let us know and we'll adjust the language accordingly but our understanding was that coun was kind of set on getting that twenty five percent baseline and giving credits in excess of that twenty five percent only one hundred percent affordable or not thank you thank you mr we'll you may continue next item is in that same communication and it has to do with floor closures and when it comes to foreclosures it can get really complicating so i want jeff to explain that contacts essentially what our understanding is from a lot of the mortgage lenders because even after these units are built the owners will most likely need financing for them therefore we need we need to meet our restrictions so that they work well with the mortgage lending bodies and we were essentially told that if the units do go into foreclosure they need all of our you know our rights the colonies affordable housing rights to essentially go aside so if the unit if the people stay in there they'll be subject to all the dieter's directions however if they go into foreclosure the banks don't like to have that on in typically our understanding is they probably will not lend if we have a lot of these restrictions on there for our proposal is that these stay on the deed however in the cases of foreclosure argue destructions would not be a political it's mostly to make it easier for lenders to lend on the projects thank you thank you members with the language that's being deleted and so one see is and shall not apply to sales by reason of foreclosure so what you're indicating is that deletion thank you yes consumer goods man it was my oversight when we first drafted this and brought it to you guys we only had the and shall not apply to reason by for sale a foreclosure on their item to see but instead we actually wanted it to apply to pretty much all of two so in our proposal we took the language out to sea and in two g we made it up the couple two items a through f i see down thank you for allowing me to be here and so in this i and i understand the reason for the additional language here in regards to foreclosures but then this takes it out of sort of the workforce housing language to thank you chair yes it's a bad side of it but i believe our understanding of it was also that if none of the affordable buyers are able to get  financing then the seller will be able to just go through the motions of you give me some ease on this one but i think it's like thirty days at one level then you've got to go thirty days at the next level in thirty days at the next level and then it goes market so if financing is easy to get for the affordable buyers up front we could potentially lose the residential workforce housing unit from the get go at least this way hopefully with this language they can get financing get in the home and never deal with the foreclosure is our hope however if you know things happen and foreclosure does happen then yes the unit could be any more questions or comments it department will move on to the next ok so the next item is in your communication of june second and this has to do with  the issue of when we're dealing with two zero one h projects we just wanted to clarify when there's a conflict that the tool and the state law will supersede  two point nine six and jeff can give further clarification on that chair after two point nine six passed on we were discussing it further in regards to torn each projects and one of the things the council typically requires as for the two a one each is that they enter into a workforce housing agreement with the colony for the two point or the two on each project and typically for consistency the department and myself we try to follow try to have the same agreements you know the same form for everyone just for consistency so we know or we think we know what we're doing at the time and what we noticed was the tool on each projects on their chapter tool any have certain requirements i believe it's a fifteen year on occupancy whereas now in two point nine six it's i think ten eight and five and there's some other things regarding the resales and stuff that we still have to follow for tool on each and we still want developers to do two point one six as much as possible but we understand that they need to follow through on each because they are doing all cool in each project so give an example of what provisions in here that to an h that could be done under to an age and vice versa which provisions in here that to an age would override mysterio thank you chair the primary one is the affordability period two point one six now requires i think it's i believe i said ten eight and five years depending on which income group it is to and he just says are fifteen years i believe it has to remain affordable for fifteen years so that's the primary one it is some other small ones but that's the big one in my opinion thank you if i make chair yes the other one also is that our maximum affordability is one forty percent and the tool in each is hundred twenty percent so it's a little more restrictive in tool any so in this in both of those examples it's two and each would override  ours what kind of things in ours would that what kind of things would they be restricted to an hour to two point six that they might have been easier to get away with in to an provides where it says you should you should have this many in this bracket this many in this bracket this many unbacked this bracket there's a you know there's already some resale provisions into one each but two point one six has some also that there are similar so we can compare essentially we just want to show drucker of two point one six where it can be there so when we're doing our green meant we have something solid to be set off of and where two on each is in conflict with two point one six will follow through on each for those t one each projects it's simply for the structure provided to us from two point nine six so in that q thank you yes your so in that case when you go through when somebody comes to the department for two a one you will point them to two point one six and say you've got to kind of fit in here where you can because you know if i'm a somebody who wants to come in and do a tool and h i'm not going to know this unless i happen to know two point one six so you guys are going to point them to that and then you'll remind us to you know whoever's here in these seats that hey they're required to go to two point nine six because some of these things we put on as as modifications mr carroll's committee we modify their request exemption from fees or whatever and we have them here but we also put some of the things that are in here that we like as a modification sometimes but now you're  saying we don't have to do that now some of the stuff that we kind of always do is a modification because of two point one six it's automatic  now if i mean yes thank you yes it again with that structure it would be those types of things would become i guess to an h is are always nothing's ordinary a ball game ever but yeah we're hoping it would become a bit more routine and we get a little better off with our modification exemption list this will lead us in the right direction because prior to this passing on one h r i should say this passing but the modifications done by checker velo born each projects were actually exempt from two point one six but now we included them make them subject to two point  six just for again the structure so this is just to clean it up to make sure that in there is a conflict thank you charlie thank you thank you any more questions comments and further discussion corporation consul for providing us all the information we need at this time members that like to entertain a motion to recommend passage of the proposed bills untied owed bill for an ordinance amending chapter two point nine six most county code relating to the residential workforce housing policy credit foreclosures and a bill for an ordinance amending chapter two point one six three in addition to allowing staff to make technical and non substantial there revisions so moved or thank you there is a move by consular by second by consumer carol so at this time i'd like to entertain if there are any discussion before we take the for further discussion on the matter if not all those in favor say aye any opposition i'd like to afford the opportunity for any comments from our members who have worked many years with mr ekdahl at this sign as bison thank you very much chair and i've had the opportunity to work been i've known her for a very long time and i watched her career and join as her dedicated to her work and really cares a lot and i think that you know we're losing a very dedicated and knowledgeable employee but it's time there does come a time where we retire and if joanne is like man no she's not going to be very retired should be dragged into you know still contributing to our comm and i wish you good health i wish you all the best and thank you thank you for all you've given our community and best of health thank you mr carroll thank you to work through thank you thank you share and thanks for this opportunity and i guess i'm kind of opposite it was prior to me getting on the council i had my first interaction with misery and that was via face maui and to yourself and kind of the whole process here but now i'm sitting here and been working with you and also having this committee to appreciate your hard work and due diligence in  you know your your job and your historical back on that you always brought to the table when we worked through things so again it's well deserved retirement i know but again we sure can find you a sentiments i've been working with you for five years and it's been a really good ron you've done a great job with the the department i know having been in the administration how tough it is to run that department so good job you've left a lot of sense of some pretty big shoes to fill so hopefully you can train somebody hopefully or training somebody now to fill your shoes i wish you well in your retirement i know you you know you're going to take your frequent trips and you remember any time you go to really bring back the chocolate for for bob and me so good to be a member of this committee because of the leadership that is sort you have and the department so you will truly be missed and we thank your family for all the hours that you were with them but please i just want to say that you know like last it it's time it's time for me to go i'm i'm very very fortunate that i was able to work for a nonprofit and you know get my training there and be able to come here and work with the county let me tell you if if you we don't work together if we're not a collaborative community it's we don't get things done and that is kind of my way of doing things is trying to work with everybody and trying to collaborate and come up with resolutions so yes i will be around and i'm sure you'll probably be seeing me sometime or the other  or king on something but that will be kind of my way of doing things as i move forward in the to the future you know i've been working for over forty years now and when my granddaughter turned seventeen i realized that you know what i work through my whole chill my kids lives and then now she's seventeen and i'm thinking god where the time go so that was one of the  things that made me think about it and make the decision because you know her plans are to go to school on the mainland and it hit me like well what if she just stays there you know and i'm not going to be seeing her every day so i want to see her every day i want to spend a lot more time with her and my other two grandchildren i have two children of my own and i want to spend time with them so that's where my focus will be but i know i 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