and filing of the transcript filed the motion to strike for lack of jurisdiction this was heard by the commission the commission and their decision denied the motion to strike finding that the respondent was bound by the april eleventh two decision is conclusive indicate specific procedures for you know perfecting the review his would it be correct that the rules in effect interpret nineteen b that is were it has to be ordered within the thirty five days and then created to to explain nineteen b and exactly what those procedures would be the rules indicate like you said that the the transcript must be ordered and then the separate provision of all of those rules indicate that it then must be filed by the time cooperation of opposing counsel which takes the ability to review a decision out of tissues hands probably was the reason for the stipulation the first place correct that's probably the reason it was to include and i think it's also the in that the rules were created which establish how the  the position is done how the transcript is ordered and file as a practical matter if if the thirty five days was an absolute out date how often the court order actually i think very very very rarely better than a couple  thousand appeals a year but i think a large number of those would would have to be thrown out in the bill the point with that is that there is absolutely no prejudice to the funded by  stark on behalf of and cross your furniture i've been practicing for twenty five years in front of the duster commission i've seen that stipulation on the bottom of the form for years and  contravention to what the statute says there is no way to rectify between one thousand pieces and the mandates given by the legislature and the practice of mine fourteen which isn't bad it just like  stipulation form there we have the file this one had it that was it that they never signed it before in april when we did this in effect that talked to my opponent and he knew about not going outside the records of this it's a little unusual in front of this panel but when we talked to counsel i told him what we were going to do and i told him what i was going to do and he knew beforehand that wasn't green this fourteen now was striking it and he understand i gave him my whole idea about what was going on with the jurisdictional requirements of the case i did stipulate in april that this was going on in fact we never gave the arbitrator or filed with the commission as it says the stipulation for and said look there's the issues in dispute rather we tried that's when we completed the situation form before we met with the arbitrator we have done pretrial which in a pretrial setting stipulated to this in april but to the point of from your honour's is that the stipulation was clear on the record and make clear to the court i was not a green to the standards then a graphic stipulation that we were not going to raise jurisdictions an issue in the case i demanded strict requirements of one thousand be it was clear and i did it on the record to make it punctuated because i had a suspicion that we were going to be here in front of you several years later bottom is a set in the transcript and i said your line out number fourteen we do not agree to it i demand that we have strict compliance with one thousand be the you have a trigger said yes your objection is noted is granted and counsel said why don't agree with it but i understand what happens when you don't know my personal belief in it is raised by ron or is that stipulations on jurisdiction and expression the way this is worded and our knowledge of any well let me talk about my case before you right now and i will go into the bigger picture later on this is far is my client's case is concerned i don't agree to the stenographic stipulation the transcript in this case was not timely filed we are not at the mercy of a court reporter because the legislature has designed  five days and it was raised in front of the commission where the standard graphics the provision was argued didn't apply because the transfer produced in advance of that and then the commission then had to hold that the stipulation was th finished pens which court reporter in rockford we have a very attentive porter who gets them in all the time other venues that i can't see but there's another revenue or avenue to do it for them the legislature put it in there it's of when they're really going to get the the court orders transcript you know i mean it's pretty clear that by the rules they recognize that they're going to get it thirty five days or sixty five days so in the rules they say it has to be ordered by that time and then filed on the day to review i mean what we've got is a conflict to the between the statute absolutely and the political realities of it which is the commission's go within the rule stead of meeting head on what the statute and the legislature is required the commission to do they have decided to then create a stipulation to create a whole mechanism of the way of handling this which is contrary to design of this legislature statute and the requirement for jurisdiction for the commission here to review remember the commission just loses the right to review what the arbitrator says the legislature is clear the arbitrator's decision becomes the decision of the commission if these things are not and the like that they've created or stenographic stipulations where do we have it back to sit anywhere in the state a stipulation that we are going to agree between us that we're going to ignore what the statute says and then we're not going to bring it up and send it it says don't bring it up it's not that there isn't your stiction issue here you agree not to bring it up council before you were in a time line make sure you understand your argument are you saying that you never agreed to the center graphics that people ation either in writing or we get i have to have him created i didn't stipulate to it any create the stimulation put it in the form of the national line and now it's in the form it's printed that way every one of the motions every one of the cases you see by fourteen is there by the question but that we have i know but you