great if we get more of our bases but i appreciate the fact that the stuff that we go over sometimes in the world right so before we get into this gosh i want to provide some clarity information to you folks who do end up turning out here to better understand where we're at right now and how we got here and what it is that we're looking at  so what the form based code is this is a set of regulations specifically for the riverside flats or this is an area the town's been looking at for over ten years now trying to figure out what could be do would look like communities had a number of different planning sure routes and meetings and discussions and plans and stop to the point where people are going the little exhausted at it but fortunately the effort kept up because  as many people know it's the last sort of grand big chunk of village center you know our town provides an opportunity for development and that development that that can and will at some point take place there could be any number of things and so what this form is code was this this was trying to take and it was trying to take the results of those many years of planning efforts that culminated in a plan to lose a week long planning effort that took place about a year ago that created last fall so what the town of done a year ago is they said look you know let's let's get this ball rolling they brought in a consultant who is has expertise in this form based code and they did this plan a palooza and quite a few people went from anybody here go to the plant  community came together as a group and and did that and then the the consultants created an image of what that could look like and said here's what you guys are talking about and they have pictures of buildings and they have layouts and things like that keep in mind those are all conceptual is that if what you're looking for look like if if we took what you're looking for and we made a plan and it was like this is this in the plan form does this look like what you the community came together to talk about and people seem to support that so then the consultant had their next job which was to spend basically the next year working on the actual regulations that would guide development in that specific area so that any development that does take place would result in something that looks something like the conceptual plan the conceptual plan that was shown just to be clear is not saying this is what it's going to look like but if the regulations get implemented it'll look something like this the character will be the same the streets might line up differently there might be different buildings and different places different uses but the character is going to be what was shown in those illustrations and those illustrations again came from one hundred percent from the community input from  so what we received recently in the last thirty days or so forty five days is the first draft from the consultant of this form base code regulations and we the planning commission have been just starting our review of that and would spend a little bit difficult for us and i think for some other folks too in the public is to get our arms around of how do we do this because we're used to have the existing regulations and looking at different pieces and parts of it sometimes big parts sometimes little parts and figuring out ok what's not working how do we make this work better for a community what's the stuff that's extra that's really not necessary what can we get rid of and where are the things that we need to make improvements this is two challenges for us one it's a whole set of regulations it's a whole big package by itself so it's a whole bite big bike t up and it's a different type of regulation the existing regulations we have now regulate focused on use what's happening there and what the  different is it's less focused on the use and more focus on the character what it looks like when you're walking around or driving through the town what's the impression of the and the purpose of the form of this code is to put regulations in place so that when someone's driving through town through jericho they're not seeing the same thing they saw the whole chester and thing that's on us next and the song will stand there saying something specific and u nique something specific in unique that was generated by this community as an expression of who we are what we care about what's important to us so that's the purpose now this is the draft a set of regulations created by a consultant from west virginia now not to knock him but he's not alone so he doesn't really know the specific quirky things that are miners would object to  really feel good about and certainly doesn't know the specific things about our community so where the planning commission i think can provide its best efforts and tak new set of regulations and this whole big chunk is to focus on where the pieces and parts that need to be polished to make it fit our community we've started to take a look at it we're already kind of scratch your head leaning one way is that it doesn't make sense that there's some that doesn't really fit our community so what our goal is with tonight was to start looking at those pieces and parts that we've started to look at and to figure out where they what are the things that reason just don't think are going to fit in with that vision of order and you know yours and then we're going to send those out to the consultant for feedback from him say yes no big deal or we're going to say yeah if you tweak that it's going to it's going to mess things up quite a bit we're also looking for some input from the public so the point of putting the stuff the information up on the count website which included the video of the presentation by the consultant who developed these regulations included a copy of the form based code regulations included some of the conceptual plans and sketches that they generated to show that visual the point was a put it out there so everybody c access it as opposed to people who could make it into a meeting and for myself it was very helpful i wasn't able to make the meeting or the consult was there but i was able to log on the computer and watch the video so i could see that i could see the discussion that came afterwards and hear some of his responses from the questions the point of the reason why i'm getting into all this is i want to make sure everyone understands going to this meeting what we're trying to do in the grand scheme of things in this whole process and what our  us and what we're trying to do tonight again these are not regulations that we came up with these are regulations that the the the town's consultant came up with based upon what the community said they wanted and so w doing tonight and moving forward is looking at on behalf of the town where the things need to be tweaked to fit best in what our community vision is so we're going to be talking about this as a group we've identified some things some specific areas in here that we want to start talking about we have questions about we're going to take these questions this list and send it up to the consultants our next meeting will be hearing what his response was back and then making some decisions upon whether or not when we send our our findings off to the select board whether or not those are things to include as part of that tonight we'd like to get some input from the public of people have specific questions about the regulations or specific components of the regulations that they'd like to hear something from the consultant as well we don't have necessarily answers for you tonight we wish we did but the reason why we're having this meeting now and we voted at the last meeting to do it this way was we didn't develop these regulations we don't really have a full grasp of them yet we want to we think it's important and we want to get the answers to you but we may not have until tonight so the last thing i'll say before we get into our discussion is i want to make sure that people understand what the process of the counter view is of these regulations this is just the first step of many steps so this is a this is not any kind of a formal meeting this isn't even the kickoff for the formal part of this process this is just a regular meeting of the planning commission we're looking at these this draft regulations of the consultants to send us really talking about different parts of it things that we need need to be twe will be at least one additional meeting before there will be a formal public hearing at a formal public hearing would be a point where we would have a presentation of the draft regulations to the public changes that we feel would be necessary or we think that we would be good for changing it to fit with our community and that would be the point where where the public would have the statutory process w know want to interject their legal rights and statutory rights for making changes so at that point we would take import from the public in that public hearing process hold another hearing and at that point send off not another hearing another meeting and then it goes on to the select board and they have the same process they have tap up with public hearings and all that so again tonight is just the first step of many steps in getting this process to the point where it will potentially be us there are some copies of the of the draft regulations out and about not a whole lot of them so if somebody doesn't have a copy they want to call on to check it out post it on the wall there you'll see there is some of the conceptual drawings of this is not fundamentally i think people wonder when the planning commission accept a notion that we wanted to look at something comprehensive the fundamental premise of th study was that we wanted to have a different way of looking at a couple opportunities in town and this very different way of looking at things grew out of an interest in town rather than you know a consultant just sort of putting something together i mean i really liked how you wonders where did this was based on comments from people like this guy's notion of what it should look like correct but the fundamental chromosome of yeah what we've got some opportunities and let's look at it differently to try to get something going i'm just mindful of again of this game stuart and i played a good zillion years ago on the regional planning commission a little bit like that lucy and ethel thing with the chocolates going on the conveyor belt and the premise of this game was you're going to have people moving into your town so you can take the strategy of you know you can take a different couple different strategies but fundamentally try to look at what your town might look like and try to shape it towards that vision so i just want we're past the point of we've already accepted the premise that we want to check out this form based on that there's value here right so put your comments come in after that point yeah i wondered if that was something i didn't understand from looking at the document or from truly was not permitted you know because for instance there's a section where he says porches are permitted and he said that was a mistake that porches are  i actually don't know anything code is that everything is set to look a certain way which obviously the conditional gives i am still not comfortable that i would really like to see all those permitted uses become conditional  y i'm not quite ready to say yes to everything and in part that's the cuz i would like to lemonade some of the architectural standards then go back to more of the old so pretty much every commercial  right right i think the conditional use includes things like how many employees and hours of operation which are not part of the form that is code and which i think are valid points for commercial enterprises and then this is it and if it's not mentioned or something existing sort of says underneath that conversation about the things that conditional use talks about a question clear you would still it would still trigger the same plan review standards if there is one thousand square feet of structure or more than five new parking focus be on how to how to design it to work for changes sign to mitigate in times but it wouldn't be a conditional use review in the sense that you would use the town plan to decide if it was in keeping with the character  to i'm not saying that that says that but at some point it would be worth walking through and making sure because we've had had discussions over the last year or two or three we wanted to make sure we  is going to have a harder time about it i'm sorry i'm sure that he can come up with a rationale for it but even if he does my feeling is this is just there are too many things here that are too specific no to so again just taking a step back from the discussion anything that's there right now is grandfather in there there would be a certain trigger which was something to it exactly these regularly and it was in one of the zones in that specific area then that these regulations wouldn't cover unless it was twenty five percent expansion of what's already before keeping in mind that we want to make sure the people who are here if they have some comments we want to give the other view that if we can move past this or if this is the last area that we have to different places for different people so i guess it comes down to figure in this philosophical discussion about right how how on energy are you willing are you willing to be in terms of really dictating what you want you destruction to look it's made me really anxious that if everybody takes out the three things they don't like that we're going to end up with nothing or end up with six or so i think that a lot i mean a who live down there are going to say i'm not going to show up at this meeting because i've been do five of these things in the last twenty years and nothing ever happens and now we're kind of on the cusp of actually doing something which and i mean for literally for at least fifteen years we've been having these meetings about hey let's let's plan this out let's build to rework dickens and that's what we want to be and it never goes anywhere and now we're in the cost of doing it and i think that we need to have a little faith in that this that that brand organization knows what they're doing and they did a really good job i feel of collecting information getting a really good snapshot of what we want yes they are from vermont and yes they don't know that we love our solar panels but we did give them a pretty good picture of what we want that harm town to look and feel like and his job is to write up the regulations that make that happen and if you ask them already you know what can  about each of us taking our three things you object to and then we're like i'm not going to fill this case entire document so that's sort of off my soapbox but i think it makes me nervous that we're going to when you say well obviously the whole walls thing we need to deal with that  which i was very impressed by the same thing the community turnout the fact there was really something for the community and i stopped that one time while they were working on things and there was people from the community is even there during the day and it really gets down to sort of philosophical thing of you know are we willing to as you put it trust this person who's an expert in this area to provide us this document that he's seen through his experience time and time again do what we want to have done we've said what he's provided is the best tool and i'm one of those people that can look through and say things that really make sense i think it's fair to say that there is room for some tweaking how much tweaking i don't know what i'd like to hear from him because there certainly are some things in there that that just to be don't quite make sense  houses i think it's really important to know what peter was talking about he said well we've been working on this for twenty years now we have a plan to do something sometimes doing something if it's not right it's the worst thing you can possibly do just because you have a plan doesn't mean that this is the best time to do it doesn't mean that this is the plan you want there are hundreds of consultants out there that do form base plans this is one guy that said one guy that obviously doesn't understand vermont and doesn't understand our town and you have the willing for the sake of progress to just throw all out and go we  accept this plan because we've been trying to do this for a long time and it's here that i think is the wrong attitude these are people's lives this the life of our towns our kids if we want them to  i want my kids to stay here and get jobs here this is what this is about this is twenty thirty forty fifty years down the road the decisions that we make here they're not the right it's going to come back and  bites and i'm really afraid that the attitude of what we have to do something because we have this is going to come back and bite us really really badly this should be written for the people of this town it should be written for the people of this town and it should include chicken coops solar panels off street parking apple trees which include all of the things that make for monsters for monsters it should include a mural on the side of your complex and prescriptive table of uses my understanding of the way that form based codes can work is that there's a table of forms there's so there's proscription on things like peter said the best that i have is that it could work but it has to really be it has to be appropriate to your mother right amount of regulation so what i see are a ton of very per script of and what i feel are it can work to do form based code we should be talking about is what is should the massing be like what should the setbacks be like what is that what are the table of forms like the whole idea of having certain scs sort of kinds of buildings isn't is a is a great way to work so i can see that it can work but when i see here is not of that so i want to know how we got from we want to do a form based code to try to get where we want to go to how did we here this doesn't seem like it's the logical extension of that concept that we were talking about as we went out the door plentiful those the last thing i want to see is is a comment about process if you want over a martyr to do something tell me can't and if you don't want to do it tell me it's absolutely it's absolutely required the only way you can you could not make that happen and not have that kill you is you lost your rationale so you're going to have to in this process explain why you have to paint your house white or don't have to or or why the side yards are set up the way they are give because what you're seeing what you're trying to do is you're going to have to get the voters this and it's not going to happen all of this is going to be wasted if people get all wrapped around the axle on vinyl siding and fenestration and not on a form based code this overall plan i didn't even trying to do for a very long time so from a process standpoint we've got to find we've got to say what the rationale is and of the form based code that backs up the rationale and then shut up or they make good decisions i think the first thing where i would start is there's a few people here dying to do it some things put out on the internet and so on did here tonight but it was going to be sent to every individual in the area that was affected now i don't think that happened i don't really want to go by words but i think the town should do in the process that i want to see happen here and i think it's the most important thing so all these questions here that have been raised for questions in the future are what we end up with no matter what it is it is by the people in the planning and everyone in the family have a chance to speak so i would like to see really people take notice and the people here can get behind me and say that everybody in this town that it affects now know it could affect a lot more in the future as well but i don't say you have to go too far to send it to everyone in the town but the people that's affecting it is fine should all get a letter this is what's going up because the public process says  notice put into places in a town hall and never go or you know something of this nature you know legally what you have to do but i don't see any of my real neighbors it live right here me that are out here tonight that are being affected and i felt i better probably process and i will say that i do support some of these things and then here i have supported the plan to produce a i've supported many other things in the last eight years that have come to an end the end result whether it's the work on daken is very anything but the most important thing is and if we don't get that i have a problem you know and listen to the conference or try to get a picture of what the people in this town i think what they come up with made up be the end result but they did try and i going to answer to this you have answers i do have an answer to that i want to provide the answers i think it's important that our last meeting which you were here there was discussion ok so that is presentation that everybody saw what do you think about how do we handle this and just like i said at the beginning you began this discussion we didn't really feel like we had our arms around it and what we're looking at was starting the public hearing process where we'd whole public and we provide information to the public and we give them presentation although we didn't feel like we were ready to do that so we were kind of like ok well what do we do then and so we made decision to have a public information meeting and one thought was to have the video from the select board meeting where the consultant was doing his presentation to actually develop these would be shown here and so we could sit here and we could watch the video well and then we did have a  e we talked about just exactly it is about about that wasn't clear to me at that coming out of that meeting was if we voted on whether or not to do that notice now whether or not we voted on it it's nearly here or there in terms of our approach as a group of trying to be transparent and reaching out to the public and wanting to have before we do i made a decision not this group but i made it sit in last week after watching the video and thinking ok we could invite these people in but we're not at that point in the process where we can really inform them of anything what we need to do as a group was soon to get ourselves more educated work through some issues so that we can have a better grasp this thing which we didn't create that we just got so that we can talk intelligently about it and provide information to the public and do our job and so i did make that decision even though the group number the group had talked about reaching out to that i think i didn't think it made sense for people to get concerned that if they were here and they're going to forfeit their legal rights and stuff like that i think it does make sense that all make this pledge now that from here on out that we will do that will make that notice to the people who own property that specific area we will continue to post our agendas which will good measure about this into public places on the town website and on the front porch forum which somewhere about ninety percent of the people in town are all so i you know if there's there's no point  up to their current as to the moment when something happens now the only notice for this meeting tonight was posted on the front porch forum on friday late friday being a holiday there is going to be a lot of people that were here that are not going to read it then there were other posts that were sent him to front porch for him i know that didn't get posted until today five thirty five so there were several days that went by that people are reading this i do not agree with you that front porch form is a place to be posting notices for these meetings the people need to be notified in some different way it's not a reliable source just to prevent a back four keep no heat let me make note of that that's not the only  witness that's not even the primary but you're relying on that that a lot of people read that and it's not reliable that they're not going to be posting i don't know who the moderator is or who decides when and then along with the notices that you're going to be sending out for these meetings there might be a little joke that you could put at the bottom for a lot of people that don't go want to access that information a lot people don't get on their computer during the day so i don't know how my going to get this information and know that they are going to come to every meeting but meetings that they're interested in like this one probably would get more people interested here even if he's not responding to the specific things if he gets if he's getting what we were objections to us it's no he's going to see the areas where there's objections i think it's i think it's useful for him to have that feedback and then you know  process where meetings get worn out forty five days and then we have to put together a planning commission letter asked to go to a joining towns and it gets posted in this sad thing and we have a public hearing and we get input and then we meet after that we take that we have look at that do we make changes do we not make changes and then we amend their planning commission report which goes on to this like board and they take it and they go through the whole public hearing process so yes we're not at that point yet understand that part but i guess what i'm was in and do what i'm saying yes i think one time things that the town of jericho you know by yourself be in town whining that someone in the process should send out to the people a letter of heard a little rumor that i'm i didn't hear this but tonight from maybe it's just a rumor that one of the things that you were talking about in the commercial district was no live side and because we ok onto the whited side discussing the lighted sign regularly which you brought a lot more clarity to the issue than i did thank you back and forth about the details of the message boards and what should or shouldn't be allowed and it was my understanding that this board decided that they wanted to recommend to the board to allow the message boards for schools but not for other uses until they've had a chance to read that in the coming year and then i was going to put together that language just because the way it happened it was just a little bit different than usual but because text shall change no faster than every five minutes and signs shall be turned off between the hours of ten p m and six a m and the three things that samantha adams was that the maximum brightness effect was just to those the change of the i thought of the lorentz factor that ran through regardless of the time technology was the greatness coming up in the conversation and if there was some way to john as a good good question here is important point more than four lines of text text shall be static shall change no faster than every five minutes sign school be turned off between ten p m and day and five hundred minutes at night and it turns off of  text no it's a friendly and this motion is remarkably like the one we first suggested to select board adopted graduates with it's worth noting all right thank you for that i have a second to the motion grueling for a lot of us mentally if nothing else just trying to figure out how where are places in this and how to make this work and i want to thank everybody for doing that and being diligent about tonight and doing the work coming into this and continuing that process moving forward so that we can be successful in trying to get this figured out for ourselves and for the town to get some great input from the community we got rid of ourselves and i'm looking forward to a year whatever this is important it's important we get it right shouldn't be rushed i agree but you know some of the stuff is important to that commercial district he spent eight months on or whatever it was there is people who are you know asking about that and what