chair barbara fiasco and joe de stefano or first item this evening is a continued public hearing on thirty four thirty six  the the public the applicant has asked that the public hearing be continued through february seventh and i don't think we would have any issue with that just a brief report before i ask for the meat for a motion to continue the meeting one of the issues that we had agreed there should be some follow up on was the discrepancy between the the current size of thirty six worster the total living area of thirty six wester as in as according to the assessor's records and in the applicant so a meeting with the assessors on january eleventh they will be doing a real they will be doing a psych visit and a reassessment of the property which should help us come to resolution on that  issue we also had a very useful general discussion on the issues with the two families that are there and kind of wise in making certain that the that the records are accurate as to common area and the area of the q and and they will be took taking a look at that more generally which i think will be a useful thing so with that may i have a motion to continue geoffrey is there anything else you wanted to report on that from for me more  with that we move on to item three review and approve of the erosion control plan for pushing village the this is potentially a very exciting day in the life of cushing village and i'm going to begin by asking jeffrey to do give us an update on where things stand with the various town department previous emitted that now has been submitted there is no blasting plan at this time if they clearly understand that if they run into that as an issue that they will have go back and follow up with angela brown regarding the amount of mental issues and she says the environmental issue of the dust and so from so on that actually we handled under the ram plan right so therefore then she and perhaps this would be a good time since it's a natural lead into the phasing plan actually we have seen before many times and has not changed significantly as i might note the other planets as i was preparing for this evening and going back over the documents i can for example assure you that the this is not within our purview but i can assure you that the dust management plan reflects each and every one of the very careful comments submitted by mike but here in the summer of twenty fifteen th erosion and storm water controls at the end of this week they would on the twenty fourth there is a letter which i know all of you schedule i will ask barbara just to say a little bit about what's going to be happening what kinds of issues are going to be considered at that meeting and following that  they would then hope to begin the demolition of the above ground structures by the end of that week not the foundation structures but the above ground structures which takes the some of the environmental questions out from absolutely under the gun since it gives a pause and then contemplated that there would be a pause before coming back so that the ra plan could be finalized so there be time for discussion and then the demolition of the foundations would begin so it's a i think a carefully laid out plan so that the critical environmental issues do not have to be  rushed but some visible progress can be made which i think everyone is really very eager to see so with that jeffrey let me  the senior center so that there will be ample room for everyone who wants to attend as we have learned once or twice holding a meeting in a small room with a large number of interested participants is a really genuinely actually indicates that their draft ram plan should be completed the week of january twenty third so they should have a handle on sort of what their remediation action plans going to look like which means that they won't actually be like digging owe you know it all until that's been submitted and been available for public comment there's a twenty day comment period and hopefully they will be able to present  that plan to the residents on the twenty four if you have a pretty good handle on it at that point and really i think explain the situation and what the environmental status of the site is so i think that's really important there's been a lot of e mail traffic i think about with the neighborhood raising concerns about different issues and i think it's going to be very important and i hope that the coaching square residents will go and here i presume  toll brothers l s p will be there and will be able to answer some questions about you know what is the contamination that they've seen it's largely p c easier perk which came from the dry cleaner site you know the drycleaning building has actually already been leveled to the foundations so that one's actually already been taken care of and that is probably the source of the contamination i just address that sort of what what's likely to  largely probably a situation where the construction itself isn't an issue and from what we've heard before you know the issue the real issue of perc once the soil is gone is what remains in the ground and once the building buildings are built and we've had conversations i think we had built a lot of it here explaining that there would be really vapor barriers installed in the buildings to keep vapors out of the basements in particular of these buildings including the public garage so but those are all questions that i think that the residents should seek some clarity on to that they don't have concerns about the way the process works the process is going to be a standard one i think from the d p perspective you know i mean i know there are concerns that the d p is not directly supervising the site vote buying having spoken to an environmental consultant this afternoon i can assure everyone that it's you know almost all sites in massachusetts are handled by alice pease they're licensed professionals they have to go before a board they are subject to disciplinary action and they're subject to liability in the event that they've been negligent with respect to any sites so there is a system in place they have incentives to do good work and to make sure that everything's being done according to the regulations so i think just what's really important for toll brothers is to kind of educate the community every step of the way and we've been very clear that and i think that they have every expectation that they understand that that's their role and that they want to be good neighbors in that they will they will answer questions and ensure that their l s p can answer those questions so that people don't have all the demolition that letter there was a letter sent to glen explaining that process actually sent to the time explaining the process in which everyone has one so that said to give more comfort in terms of issuing the demolition permit that this is actually what we're doing this is how we're doing it which seems to these are very responsible a standard approach right exactly exactly exactly and then we know that you know the place to park would look for those buildings going down because every time a window was broken they get a phone call saying that the windows broken and so starbucks back in to the building as soon as possible starbucks building will be main on site as long as possible it is that's part of the new range and that has been worked out with starbucks  that's building we'll be there as long as possible at some point and that has come down because that is the parking area that's part of the surface parking lot so that will come down and starbucks will not be onsite for a period of time i think somebody six months or something i forget what that time is but they'll be time in starbucks will be there and as soon as i know no more lattes as soon as the winslow building can be temporarily opened lining in the last week we look at our last meeting we look i think we can just move over shall we talk amongst ourselves jeffrey while you're getting th it is not greatly changed from the last presentation you saw there's anyone just to casual conversation does anyone have a sense of whether anyone is coming other but that's just it that's just the area so we can have a clear what we're talking about the purple where the shard is in the car wash is also part of south pleasantry so then the question is becomes well what is what is waverly square does you know does that include the sorry the shire's shahs are not but that will be part of this whole conversation going forward years how do we look at these areas they are both both very distinct the local business to district is the only area in town that allows automotive uses back in the sixty's and seventy's it was the auto mile had for d'argent chrysler a pontiac i think your point of and so that this is now what is going to be discussed this evening or sorry thursday night will be the current state where things are at what is the criteria for good development and then the tools for change and hopefully people will come with many thoughts and this is a question for our plan as i plan for the evening is to take him but rather than one of the questions that i asked in terms of making it a useful meeting is from my own perspective we have two experiments going on in town we've never cushing square which is mixed use modded hundred fifteen units and then we have royal belmont which is three hundred units which is a very big development and with a quarter of them very low income units i thought at one point we say it would be really good to have the results of those two experiments before we launch a third similar experiment so that suggestion is that we do neither of those two things all over again before we see how well it came out the first time wouldn't be something that i would see as considering in kilo twenty nineteen if one took that point of view since that's when the last piece of royal belmont in pushing village will come on line but i'm not sure that we want to can move the dive on why they're saying what they're saying i would put under the heading of taking him put it to make sure that we understand what's being said right but it's not right it's not just that you want people to say oh i'm thinking we're going to all but really w have a conversation and get that as i suggest make room suggestion is an issue and bring it to those people that can potentially make that change will you i mean what would be interesting to me and you know we knew that they were they've been thinking about it but again i think we would want to have the discussion the fact that you didn't bring your consultant shouldn't be a barrier  heard and i think we should be very soon my intent would be to ensure that all the dubois's get heard and it doesn't require three consultants in our point and you don't get to dominate the meeting just because you proud of really long color right i am not suggesting anybody will but again this is to hear from everybody i would along the lines of that i suspect from what i've been hearing jeffrey of the shah's i mean that was the big argument if we did that or not but it seems that a breakup right i recall though that it was more from the shah's up because but in any case in terms of waverley square per se  any other but i think that we obviously we we are want to be sensitive to that issue and we will see where the meat whether what the meeting meeting and is unlikely to be an issue that we bring to town meeting but i understand that the signed by law revision of the signed by law we are at this point making great last meeting i think introduced you conceptually at a very high level some of the issues that we were looking into and had a discussion about process and  of business windows covered and that we didn't have a definition of temporary sign so temporary can easily become temporary or permanent we do not have a listing in the general requirements we think that that should probably be moved to the business district section as i alluded to earlier while we have this nice language that does the area area of window science can't exceed twenty percent of the window glass there's this major new poll which is that temporary signs can take up combined with permanent ones fifty percent of the window glass and that was one of the issues that i think some people around town were complaining about that there's businesses that have a lot of heat signs in windows that just are a lot of visual clutter so with spencer's help we looks in a lot of neighboring towns hand s after having reviewed a bunch of other towns think that what we really need to do is tighten up our language and make window area coverage by any sign permanent or temporary not exceed twenty percent of the channel in the area and the companion to that is really a need to define what constitutes a temporary site and so currently a temporary sign in belmont is something that is intended to be maintained for up to  towns don't allow a temporary sign to reappear again for a significant period of time we looked at those towns carefully and thought that an appropriate balance might be just four months after it was last removed so sixty days so two months up in the can go back up for another form which you know so prohibited signs as they indicated a we stand out among our peers as not having any by law that prohibits certain types of signs most other towns do have a list of things that they do longer conducted on the premises you know so in abandoned business it's not and should not stay out for more than the you know a certain period of time after the business is closed no string lights except in the three currently signs can be up to fifteen square feet in area and five feet in height on the ground in the two and the general business districts this one can be much larger can be thirty square feet and up as we discussed the issue we were sure that frankly in a town like don't mind people needed a thirty square foot sign that was fifteen feet off the ground and so we are proposing to streamline the standing articulated as if there's a sack sign deterioration of over twenty five percent area of the sign or loses a certain amount of its surface or it creates a risk of harm that it has to be repaired and  council oh well essentially for not conforming signs to remain in place as they currently exist and to be maintained as they currently in addition just because it's sort of dovetails with the maintenance point if there's a non conforming sign that deteriorates such that restoration would cost more than a certain percentage of the replacement value of design then forever and then when that comes down then it cannot be replaced with another temporary sun if it's oversize in the conforming in other words let's get rid of the  windows that's not painted on to the real thing and then the more that can be replaced if it's more than twenty percent of the total area that we know right so start with that so if the dialogue went into  effect that the next day businesses should be kind of taking a look at all of the signs that are plastered in their windows and pull down whatever it see see it make their choice about how they want to use their twenty percent up window it so the by law it becomes a fact it's in a fact when it's pop when it's published when the notice of the public hearing is published and so it's in forcible no that point in what you do is you go by the most you go because you put it out yourself the other signs are structures there are no place in the windows are there fixture is there a part of the structure so that structures temporary signs don't become non conforming because by the definition of them they're only good for  that as concord regs said it's not only that signs can't non conforming science and marjorie designed replaced or altered in any way they included altered in any way repainting in a different color so that's pretty specific and i guess as joe and jeffrey inspector and i were talking we thought ok that's a you know that's a relatively strict requirements right and we're not operating in a place where we require all signs to have like the metallic gold lettering like some massachusetts towns have we're not instant don't know where you use turquoise and it all has to be turquoise and i don't think  necessarily moving in that direction but you know we may want to to regulate to the level of repainting that was an issue that we sort of wanted to throw out to the board as something for you to think about not that we necessarily have to decided tonight but just be aware that you know that's on the stricter and non conforming signed her opinion something that you may be just going to give some thought to if you're driving around town you could have the polka dotted sign that seemed great shape in some white community say we want to make this and i saw its color black cool green blue whatever you want to make it a little more attractive and we say oh the minute you paint it it's gone when in fact it could be a within the size of the building and you could have a really giant logo that you might not be allowed to have on the side of the mill and so that list a significant a hole in our  signage provisions that we thought needed to be addressed you know there's not and so that and there's a lot of potential ways to go with this there's a lot of bylaws they go in different directions on this and again it  depends on the extent to which we want to to regulate me and i will throw out there and expect to see to hear some groans and the good of the table there are communities that have a special permit process for on  something to consider because in the absence of having some discretion and room for play and creativity for what constitutes knowing this that a pleasing awning it may be that we need to go in the direction of a little bit more regulation of bodies to have some clear bright line rules to ensure that that we don't have a situation that we don't like right i think that's the tradeoff more restrictive bylaws only on the i'm sorry the slope or only on the famines which is the part that perpendicular to the streets you know if you look around town there's a lot of awnings where there's only lettering on the awning combined with a wall sign i think generally had it came to a consensus that it seemed too much to allow for a fixed sign on a building and essentially equivalent sign seen some examples with phone numbers you know is that too much and then how do we handle the distinction let's say between an awning and a marquee into a good example of a marquee i think is be more considered more key whereas the oriental rugs because the sign really is only in the balance that would be more consider going on so the so i so i guess it would be and i did i would be interested in getting your reactions to you know logos know love those people have a strong reaction to that obviously if there is a logo we could still perhaps we could do two things three things the first is to ask if the working group had a particular recommendation really really don't anything we were looking kind of for visceral reactions like are people finding certain things offensive that you really think we should address or not because there's such a range of ways to handle this unlike many of the other issues that the identified  florida area is currently defined a two rod is included in both floor area and whether it is a detached garage or not which means that a property with a detached garage can make a addition to its house to the to the living area of thirty percent which will given the size of the relative sizes of the house and a grudge might look like a pretty large addition to the house without coming for a special permit that was the issue that's the reason that i that's exactly that that's exactly where we are we've seen one case of it and in my last week you know we can ask jeffrey to do some kind of survey and see whether it's likely to be many but i am right there anyone have a drug so one of the nice things about having spencer on board with a landscape architect agree as well as a master's in planning is he's got a better ability to graph to draw than i do anyway this is the detail you can see the detached garage in the addition they want to put off the  back and on the left side shows the aerial view if you will the footprint what that would what it he calls and what it means in terms of the size of the addition so it's about a one for one it's  pretty clear on what they are and how we're going to get guidance some of them and this brings us to committee reports and we're just since not at this point everyone has a committee  history it's think it's uncommon to try to do a life cycle project for most of these there's there's the sons of i remember the intergenerational path the first request was forced to study the entry generational path with a clear understanding that there would come a poser for an intergenerational path would be more expensive so are there any projects where we're looking we're studying it now but that step to going ahead with a bigger project i think that may be the only ones  i believe we will have the the first look at results from the general residence analysis minutes to review and