good evening ladies and gentlemen welcome to this meeting of the fallen city council or first meeting in the month of june first order of business we have a make a quorum mayor pro tem thank you the we open our meetings as we always do with two items we have an opening prayer followed by the pledge of allegiance to the flag of our country leading us in prayer this evening will be council member messy divorce and i would invite all who are able to rise and join us in that for the prayer followed by the my father we thank you so much for this time of the year this time when flowers appear and here when the season of singing has come and the cooing of dogs is heard in our land we know none of this is by  mistake or accident it is all because every good and perfect comes from your hand pray that you will help us to be grateful people that we will see each good thing in our lives this coming year that we will be so full of gratitude and care that we will reach out to those around us to help those who are having difficulties going through things in their lives the profile that you will give us wisdom in this is that we will make thank you nancy for the people in the room if you want to follow along with the proceedings there are agendas that are placed at the  on the base of the t v monitor stand back there you can see what items are on our agenda and the order that they will be taken in one of the things that we do is we have what's called the consent agenda where items that are routine and have been studied and dealt with in earlier study sessions are put together and are taken with a single vote and one motion and one vote in order to identify those things the first thing we need to do is to have the summary of what's currently on  announced by the clerk and once we know that we will go to opportunities to remove any of those items so and if you would let us know what is on the consent of general item five to approve the minutes of the special meeting help me thirteen and regular meeting help me twentieth two thousand and fifteen item six to excuse the absence of mayor dykstra item eleven eight to accept in files of office from various boards and commissions item fourteen a one to approve a contract was  elan blacktop and the total amount of forty three thousand one hundred fifty for the service center paving project as approved to form by the city attorney item fourteen d one to refer claims filed against the city to the city's insurance carrier and city attorney for consideration item fourteen d two to adopt a resolution for the authorization of a permit for the sale possession and consumption of alcohol liquor for the local first education foundation event scheduled at the windmill island gardens on august twenty fifth two thousand and fifteen item fourteen each one point one to approve a bid submitted by class in construction in the amount of twenty seven thousand three hundred sixty five for property located at fifty two was one nine hundred st as ordered by the dangerous structures hearing officer and board of appeals for the repairs to the deteriorated structure in garage with the cost to be charged back to the property owner if not paid will be placed on tax bill item fortini one point two two  proven except from being in the amount of seventeen thousand from the fair food network for the double up food bucks program to be utilized at the hauen farmer's market item fourteen easy one point three to adopt a resolution for the submittal of the purchase of tax foreclosure property located out one for seven one m forty from allegan county at a minimum minimum price bid of five thousand five hundred fourteen eat two point one to schedule a public hearing  necessity for the central avenue snow mountain proving a project for the wednesday june seventeenth two thousand and fifteen council meeting and to instruct the deputy clerk to publish in mail notice of said hearing i had imported three point one to accept the april two thousand and  fifty monthly financial report presented item fourteen either three point three to adopt a resolution to place delinquent ordinance violations on the two thousand and fifteen summer property tax bills i fourteen east six point one two approve the renewal of the new world finance software maintenance agreement in the amount of twenty eight thousand one hundred eighty four fiscal year two thousand and sixteen with increases for a period of five years september one two thousand fifteen through august thirty one two thousand and twenty cost to be shared by max and here library and to authorize that finance department to make adjustments for the fiscal year two thousand and sixteen budget right thank you adam that's a summary of what is on our consent agenda tonight and as i indicated earlier those items are things that we consider to be routine that we've discussed in prior sessions but it may be that one of you came here specifically to talk to us about those i one of those items before we act on it and if that is the case if there's anyone in the audience who would like one of these items removed from the consent agenda this is your opportunity to do that i simply asked the chief to approach the podium state your name and address for the record and indicate which it is that you would like remove seeing no one members of council is there anything in the consent agenda that you would like removed to have further discussion on before we vote  indication of how the rest of the night is go council they are active throughout the school year and sit with us on various cup committees and councils and assist in our decision making but they also have programs that they do on their own and tonight is our opportunity to hear report what what they've accomplished in the past year so i asked i would invite you to come forward and let us know what you have on so first just in general we have quite a wide reach around the community we have some thirty said community members and eighteen who are on youth on boards and then from there you can read as well bad nine from black river twelve from holland high ten from holland christian eighteen from west ottawa and one zero in the student ok and then right here with me is the cork council so i'll go first as i said i'm claire baker and i'm the chair i'm a senior at holland high school i spent twenty year on the recreation committee and three and as you found board on the city sustainability committee i'm raymond syria i'm a senior also hi my name's astray and i made a smith yes and this is my second year and a special events and first year in corps and i am from home tie and i'm a sophomore i'm in mcknight i was a senior at black river and this is my third year of high arc i spent three years on planning commission and two years on four council my name is quinn lonergan this is my first year on court counsel and i will be a junior next year  and so students were thrown up into groups and given pizza and it's important and little and then they storyboarded on just ways that you could save energy on your home in your school on your community as a city as a whole and so from those i did the groups came back towards the end after also alert learning more about b p w and the new facility that's being built and presented their ideas to a year every year the core council chooses a local youth for the social justice award and this is an award given to someone who we believe deserves it they've done some outstanding social thing in the community it doesn't have to be in the community it can be anywhere but they have to be from holland and so this year we chose j c to play coy calvary eighth grader and after the ukraine to adopt her younger brother and seen the horrible conditions of the orphanage jaycee took it upon herself to to start a coat drive and in this quote drive she collected hundreds of coats and shipped into the ukraine and aside from that to cover the shipping costs even so candy bars so we felt that jaycee deserve this award very much and we chose her and that was the social justice award so for social services in the past we've always tried to tackle a ton of different ideas because there's so much that we want to do but this year we decided to really focus in on one thing and that one thing was attending coffee program and we teamed up with the mission and  pretty much what it is as anyone can go into a montrose and they can like buy a coffee and then buy another coffee for someone else but the mission as well hand out little cards to the homeless people there and then those homeless people can come into the montrose and get a free coffee with the money that was funded from someone else and then we are also continuing to help with raise your voice which is a pure refusal program teaching sixth graders how to like say no to peer pressure and just teaching them to make good choices and that was in black or for holland high school but not with saddam but this year so hopefully what saddam will be doing something next year and on sally's going to talk to you about what we have planned for next year so one of our ideas at the beginning of this year was changing our recycling bins inside a story to tackle the coffee so next year we're going to try to kind of revamp the recycling bins and make them quickly on that i feel that this is a very necessary program it's great for the youth it really shows them that they do not have to go with what their friends believe in they can say no to their friends and it's really important as they grow that they know this so that they don't always go with the wrong crowd or someone that they believe to be trusted and so i really love this program i've been a part of it for two years now and i am really happy that i joined with all the money we raise we put it towards the endowment fund for the win male so that it can be repaired when needed in the coming years and we had over one hundred participants and with the help of all our sponsors and everyone we raise about three thousand dollars  in the coming years we hope to pass it on to an organization so that the recreation committee can focus on other events and covered what we did this  very nice so this year special dance was trying to do a trivia night with the karrar analysts to help with project clarity at the outdoor discovery center but this year kind of didn't work  so we did not go through with the event but we are tomorrow helping out with one of the outdoor discovery center center of vents and is called soar into summer and so some of our members since it's after high act and mostly after school no every single member of ours is going tomorrow but most of our members are going to help out there and it's just a family fun adventure over at the outdoor discovery center and so yeah so the program that i have been involved in a number of us have been involved in for a while now is youth on boards which puts high school students on adult boards like the airport authority or planning commission which is of course the best of the board development max transit parks and recreation those sorts of things so it really lets high school students see the inner workings of how decisions are made in our community so we go in and we sit with board members i have sat up here many times for planning commission meetings and so we get an understanding of the goal of the board and we can add constructive thoughts after a while of listening and you can see how different boards contribute to different parts of the city and you can go around town and see the difference the planning commission makes and that sort of thing and how they contribute to the city's function so for two years i've been on the i r c and it's just been a great the international relations commission and it's been a really great experience for me not only have i learned about diversity in holland but i've also got the opportunity to the multicultural festival that goes on every year and that's just been really great for me being able to have a say in what happens in holland and just have my voice heard next year i'll be attending columbia university in the city of new york so again i think i'm going to university of michigan next year although i might take get there before that and i think the high is really to give me a better understanding of how government works at a more local and i'm even mcknight and i'm the vice chair of the corps council and next year i'll be going off to kalamazoo college and high arc has been just a really neat experience it gives you a cool view into local government and what happens in that mysterious building on the river in twelve and it's just been a blast and next year because of the experience that i've had in high act i'm looking at a concentration not a major but sort of a side thing in public policy and urban affairs which is largely largely a result of high octane my experience with planning commission so you ok i'm signed up for the college of engineering but i might switch what are you going to do in new york i'm also undecided at the present i've been looking into applications of mathematics and fields like biology and ecology but that's not really a certain sure fire path right now if i have a chance i'd also like to say that we owe a lot to him my are we sitting back there for taking care of us all this is my fourth year and we we missed her for a couple months and it just truly showed how much she means to all of us to all all of the high members and i think in general high ash owes you not simply how to listen to one another but to take an issue and consider it from every side because as a group sometimes it's easy to go the easiest the simple route but it challenges us to look at all sides of an issue and to see what really is best for the youth in our community thank you very much on behalf of the city willingness to serve and your enthusiasm gives us great confidence in the future we hope that those of you who are coming back will participate through siesta glee again for another year those of you who are going off to college all the best but don't forget that holland is home and we would love to have you back and contribute continue to contribute to our city so thank you very much mr mayor if i well yes in considering you were such a fierce advocate for overnight parking such a proud resident of the second ward in you're going to study policy might you consider when peter decides to retire down here jay has held that seat quite well but i'm sure mike would look forward to sitting next to another harp an advocate should you ever want to occupy that please hurry up and graduate and come back wonderful well thank you so much and to those in the audience and those watching at home you have a now a great indication of what lies in store for the city of holland and the fact that our purview true is secure and in good hands with folks like these taking an interest and looking to stay involved so thank you very much wonderful i think that us down to the next item on the agenda which is special already the order of the day we have several of the first item is a tax abatement for industrial development district for exemption the area shown here on the map is the the bulk of the warden property the extension of this district it would be to this area which serves which is their office area but also you know serves to support the entire area here i'm waiting big bear for included in some of the possibilities for the expansion and the added jobs plan so this is a procedural step an expansion of the district and the recommendation is so at this point i will declare the public hearing to be open if there's anyone here who wishes to speak to this item represent of the company perhaps or anyone know your know your products quite well and yes i think highly of them so we're glad that you're here in that you're looking to expand here thank you title totaling one point four million dollars and eight new jobs would be expected be created within two years by the word company and i toured the facility several months ago in relation to this possibility and i have approval to the work in company with money nine he seventeenth street for twelve years subject to the same state tax commission approval all right then we need to open a second public hearing this on the actual tax abatement i would clear the public hearing open there's anybody who has comment on that we would welcome your input at this time same rules apply that's changed but can you give an indication approximately where your average worker falls in terms of the hourly wage already that team members that we have a team today i would estimate i can't tell you exactly it's probably about fourteen i appreciate warden taking the position of providing a livable wage for their workers because it's an important consideration for us i think as we make these policy decisions kind of piggybacking with what they are at least the theme of what dave's going out there to some degree corporate citizen you know citizenship if you will couple weeks back i had the privilege of touring a place called michigan crew technical institute a tech school for young adults with disabilities and the reputation of work in company spreads that far because of some past partnerships and have a massive working school there and they were proud to have that partnership with wharton whether that continues to this day or not nonetheless the company has a great reputation of supporting not only its employees but outside of what was and i saw myself very well you know it's really important for those kinds of programs because folks have been there for twenty five thirty years and they're proud of what they've done and they should be there and mazing things that they will and any program that's out there today that encourages young people to pursue those teams skills very supportive because we really think it's if business continues on the trend that it's become a new field one team members with us good no one else yes i would think you'd be a lot easier just to find a piece of property and build something them to take a little building next to a railroad tracks with good lumpy as fod parking lot and stuff and build something for the future and really appreciate your willingness to take that on and to form this group everest expedition and to do things in a new way and that and fix what's been broken and really reposition it all out and to do it all in the city and here really grateful to have someone with your expertise and an ability to come in there and not care for people and shepherd the whole process to make it something that we can be so proud of so thank you very m renewed this is an annual process for a public lodging license based on the number of violations and police calls and this is before you are there is a report that has a number of violations noted i understand there are individuals here representing the motel that would like to speak and should the council proceed without without any change then this license will be revoked and there's a thirty day period much time people would need to move out or  all right this one also takes a public hearing yes ok i'll declare the public hearing to be open and if there's anybody who wishes to speak to this matter your name and address for the public record and five minutes good evening council members my name is doug milewski m i l e s k i my address is three hundred i do avenue northwest suite eight sixteen in grand rapids michigan for nine five zero three and i am here on behalf of mr patel and sri vishnu incorporated i am here to ask that the motion before you or the recommendation before  tabled for thirty days i or until your next council meeting so that i have an opportunity as new counsel to look at the we submitted for a request look at the materials understand better what has transpired work with the  community and neighborhood services to come up with a plan to remedy the defects of violations with hotel and also in the past week since i've become involved work with mactel bank the lender for the hotel in coming up with a plan and a strategy that's satisfactory to them to give them security for the hotel going forward so i'm not asking that you reverse your decision simply that i afforded time to review the file and understand better understand the situation so you you became counsel for the entity within the past week and a a bank and with their counsel people peter rhodes to understand what their concerns are and i have what i want to also have meetings with community and neighborhood services so that i can understand what  can be done so that we can come before you and present not only an explanation of what has happened but a plan so that the hotel can move forward or in the case of vacating if that ends up being the recommendation to do i'll turn to our city attorney for a comment i would say first off it it's up to the council to decide where they are they want to grant the postponement of a decision on this in this matter as as a license holder of the hotel company has a right to due process which is a flexible standard about what would be fair with the circumstances to allow the hotel company to prepare to deal with the appeal hearing having said and then requires that they meet the original licensing requirements when they go for renewal meaning they have to pass an inspection to qualify for a renewal if they're not renewed then they can reapply  after they correct the violations and in the meantime when they're not renewed they're operating without a license which is the current situation right now so council could grant time for the applicant to trying to put together a plan and come back  in which case they wouldn't have a license to operate in the meantime or council could deny the request or the appeal and the applicant can remedy the violations and come back and later time ordinance code does indicate that they cannot reapply for six months once they've denied however there's a significant exception there and that is if they remedy the problems that led to the denial they can come back within six months and any time during that six months and so the council needs to decide is there a reason to grant an extension of time here for them to prepare to respond to the appeal or or not ok so just just to clarify here i hear you asking for an extension to horder next council meeting which would be two weeks from tonight we meet every other week that would be correct ok to set the stage that i think two and three years ago similar activities need to be occur occur with other similar sanctions including the economy lodge and these violations i've been documented is as long as those april twenty ninth so it does strike me that a thirty day period this could be disadvantaging to the traveling public and others staying at the end and we have taken a position right or wrong obviously as as councilor has said it's a policy judge on the part of the city council yet i do i want you to know that i've instructed city staff to take a zero tolerance position when it comes to the conditions for the traveling public and what is required under the code so that is something that has brought it to this point and i i look forward to a quick resolution otherwise the entire community is at some risk as well as the individual staying there in light of this i think we had it obviously we heard this a couple years ago and i think it was brought up going tonight if we were to not deny the extension at this point there still is a thirty day period because of the eviction process correct the way that we've handled that the past as if you deny that the license then the city would look at enforcement action i the first step would be to direct the hotel to evict people who are in the facility and that would involve giving pr thirty day notice to to the tenants to move out and then court proceedings after that they would be directed to proceed that way right after today if you deny the sixty day period for its actually vacated they would not be allowed to to bring in new occupants during that time period if they don't move forward with vacating the hotel the city could take legal action through a circuit court proceeding along with an extension this is not our first rodeo but the subdued specific business mr patel was told very clearly and very simply last time that there would be no tolerance he has violated that he has violated our trust and once that happens there is no forgiveness i will be voting for immediate closure did i hear you say the going forward for the next if we did extend this that no new tenants would be accepted misunderstand that you kno rules could be written that yet because it's an unlicensed facility at this point is a different situation than we dealt with on a couple other occasions where it was a revocation of a license they don't have a valid license right now they haven't since their license expired and so to accept new occupants in the hotel would would be a violation of the ordinance code that prohibits public lodging without a license or can i ask a question or the attorney  i have come to have great faith in our you know staff that deal with these matters and i'm a constantly impressed with how they give everybody the benefit of the doubt that we only get here when it's about is the absolute last case scenario so i'm wondering what is another realistically what is another two weeks or four weeks going to do because it's a pretty simple equation  there's a list in a letter i'm looking at that said here are all the violations that exist replacing smoke detectors shower there goes warm water to sculling hive and somebody flush the toilet people getting whacked these these are just minor things these are folks that in a hotel where people come to holland michigan these great places to live are trying to get people to come here and stay all the time we're exposing them to what i can see here it's almost irresponsible so i don't i'm not inclined to support this either it was mike said something about a rodeo i don't know what i don't think it's it requires you to get on to take the time of our city staff in the neighborhood services people have all these meetings about what are we going to do i think it's pretty clear cut and i think the better alternative here for the safety of the residents who just happen to stumble across this hotel is to shut this thing down and if you're really sincere about fixing it and get in making it right for the city and the citizens of people who live there then get on with that piece i said of trying to stretch it out because we stretch this out we've talked about this we've been here before i would i would put a lot of faith in our city staff just knowing that they have done everything they possibly can to be fair this to this process and i guess i would would not be inclined to to wait for this out any further than where we are right now i completely understand co peters and and if i could disagree with you i would but for the fact that i simply am new to to the matter i know that you've been to the fore and i respect that i have not and at this point in time i do not feel like i can adequately represent his interests or or make a recommendation whether it's an orderly transition out of business or an opportunity to to fix things not having had an opportunity to review the four requests the documents understand the materials and look at say in fact the city council has come to the correct decision and this should be shut down and we should do that orderly and then meet with market our bank for example and say what is the orderly method of closing it down if that is the means to go but not having with the bat i really can't disagree with you but i can't agree because i just haven't seen it so all i'm asking is if it's been years going on at least do do do  me the this favor as the attorney and give me the opportunity to say you are right and there's an orderly transition needs to happen and please allow me to week so that i can get the full request materials look at it and agree i'm not saying that you're at all wrong i'm saying i simply do not know and can do not feel that i can adequately represent the individual even if he's been here before his port city in the past don't preclude him from me coming here now and say i'm going to do what's right for the community and for him and that those interests male line and they may diverge but i just don't know at this time but it's your next the year  legal council is not the basis for i decision it's the protection of the public so people are getting scalded and just because they happen to stay at this motel in order to enjoy holland michigan us we are supposed to license quality businesses this is not quality and we can't put our name behind it so year the fact that you were hired a week ago is not our responsibility the responsibility of th motel rests on mr patel and he has known plenty of time to get these things handled he hasn't handled them and we are not going to put anybody else in danger in the process of your deciding whether we're making the right decision and i appreciate your trying to catch up but we have to do what we have to do in order to ensure the safety of the public and i'm sure everyone's with me more than willing to meet with you and help you get up to speed and what however you decide and how we fall on this we've decided that this is the best for the community and for those who are tourists that come here and mr patel knows all these standards and has been told them repeatedly and if we don't back up what we say by what we do those standards will not hold you have to have an foresman in order for them to stand for anything and we have an orderly process where we go and meet with people we bring in nonprofit organizations we tell them what's available for them for housing and it's all very well done in order to help the people that are there and i'm sure that i'll be handled well and as soon as all of those things that are asked to be changed  echo some of what each of my colleagues who have already said that i i think i'll just reach this fire point because the notion of the boy and documents and things of that nature i have at least four in my packet that have been addressed your client that pretty well describe the scenario that's been described to us and again if it's gotten this far there's been some time lapse here there's been due process that's preceded all of this tonight empathized to some degree with what you're saying in terms of kind of being put mine in a ball but it's councilwoman divorce as unfortunate that can't wait to have we end our decision here i missed the document so i would pray that if you took on this client that you have at least these four documents that give you a fighting chance of understanding what the issue at hand is and what not but i see at least four in my packet that are addressed your client and so  since until the problems have been solved and they haven't been solved so you know it's we can go around this for reverend and white at the same place but my sense is that you're going to have plenty of time to come up to speed  even if we don't are your request so i hope you understand that we feel for you but we have a higher obligation here to protect absolutely all of you councilors i completely anyone else all right thank you this really is a bad situation but i would hope that there are not new tenants who are being accepted and i i don't know the nature of the clientele that they have you know whether there are numbers of people who are staying for longer terms of of amounts of time  normally when we think about of hotel situation like this it's people that are coming in for a night off of the road or maybe a week weeks vacation or something like that but i would think that he would not take very long to come to this place out and to bring in the proper trades and get it back in shape to pass inspection and if that's the schedule parking offenses and fines for final reading parking in various capacities one is to increase a fine structure for overnight parking violations by five dollars it's been ten dollars for many many years over a decade and a half i believe to increase a fine for handicapped parking violation from fifty dollars to seventy five dollars it's also been some time and to increase the hazardous parking violation paid after thirty days from twenty five dollars to thirty dollars this is recommended after review of parking fines elsewhere there is an ordinance in your packet for a second reading and the recommendation is that the city council consider these amendments following tonight's public hearing were effective immediately motion passes thank you next item numerous sections having to do with the following in permitting accessory welding units and residential zone districts this is also on for quite a reading and all residential zone districts this is an issue that's been discussed by the neighborhood improvement committee in theory and supported by the neighborhood improvement committee the ordinance before city council at night has been reviewed and discussed by the planning commission and supported by the majority of the plan the commission and what we'd like to do is just very briefly go over what in excess we don't you that is what this hornets does for people living in the city of holl discussed small and limit to the ordinance that would like to offer city council night that's been distributed to you already and then take any questions that either the city council may have or someone from the public may have again exce the commission also in your package you've received several letters of support from various organizations some that the senior citizen services who are supportive of this and the idea of aging in place some from affordable housing advocates who view these things as a way to offer another housing option that might be more affordable to some residents in our community and also you review you see support of this from just regular people who see this is a way to help maybe a child who has come back from college or a child who can function on their own pretty good but needs to be within arm's reach of a you know parent or guardian to help take care of them highlights of the proposed ordinance are as they're allowed in allow them to be located on the second floor ourselves so they could meet they may be either located on the first floor or the second floor the setback from all property lines must be a minimum the side yard setback for the zone district in which the  none of these units will be allowed to be located in the whole college neighborhood and the size of the unit can be no more than one third of the area of the principal building on the same residential lot the goal here is to ensure that the excess redrawn unit is indeed accessory to the principal building it's secondary to the principal building we don't want these units to overpower the principal or the main residence on that property very quickly we have some schematics that show design of access we go in units and how they can look you know throughout the city and you've seen these pictures before so very quickly just damp through these things see in an idea of what we're talking a down i get to the end of this this conceptual drawing you see right now is an actual house in the city of holland it's located on pine avenue between one thousand and twenty eighth street it was recently constructed its red house for you this is an issue has been discussed as i mentioned the neighborhood improvement committee planning commission and as a council you discussed it at first reading and then also at a study session last week you they're with me on this i'm not a public speaker and i could we don't like to stand up in front of anybody talk but i always have lots to say we could just have your name and address for the record minder that you have up to five minutes if my name is of the light system will tell you when other day and she says can i move in with you said well let's talk about this i feel like i have enough space in my house to accommodate both of us but i can't configure it to make it so we have some privacy plus common area so  i've been looking for alternative type dwellings i've been researching this for many many different ways so when i saw this in the newspaper i'm like you know i was just going to go talk to dan tiley about this so now you're having this so i just want to introduce myself because i'm probably going to be one of the first people coming to you to see if this is going to be feasible on my property and if not the first person so thank you for talking about this and i hope it can be adopted in our community i think i'll just be  is filling a need and it's just going to be like us as individuals instead of developers doing is saying what we can build this as developers we can build them as individuals to fill that need for ourselves and my sister wouldn't have to be on any public assistance because we can just share things so thank you for the opportunity thank you it would also like to address coun ok i'll declare the public hearing closed we have the motion before us we've heard about the possibility of a yeah true that possibility of an amendment or ever discussion has revolved around the possibility of allowing the second floor structure to be built road than a single storey and  amended recommendation or the ordinance change right which changes usually to include this language all right we've heard the about amendment and have support for any discussion on the amendment which he the number of twenty four feet was selected for reasons correct mr city attorney the number twenty four feet was that for a reason that you can decide whether it's rational or not is simply double twelve for a single story a t u the maximum but height of a residential structure in the are one in our two zone is thirty five feet and but the twenty four here was was intended to to double the single storey size and not have it be so high that it dominates the structure that's what otherwise be on the property and this is now a question for mr di the internal ceiling height and then the roof height is twenty four feet accommodate a two story structure with ceiling heights that are to code and its main or roof on this after we saw the twenty four feet building code requires a minimum of a seven foot high ceiling for and no one here is hearing ceiling sell the numbers work out and we're confident and we agree with the city attorney that havenot subordinate to that thirty five feet is important to us because we want the excess rejoining unit to be secondary to that principle structure this isn't a second house on a property arrest this is an accessory don't you know you know i could have if i were so inclined to have a garage as the first floor of the second floor i'd have still room in clearance to put a pitched roof or co on top of that garage correct match hitch as much as possible are we going to get out of kilter if we do that or no excess we don't yet have to go through an intro review process part of that we compatibility part of compatibility is looking at so my question would be is if if it goes through that process and it's determined that twenty four won't allow for a pitch that's compatible what's the remedy that the remedy is there probably not doing a two story excess who don't you know so we could ok fair enough i went on historic walking tour with an easy i'm recently last friday i think a less and i went by some of the older homes and there was a carriage house in the back of one of them and it was two story so it's not unusual out of the box kind of thing and it does seem historically reasonable to be able to double the square footage for your accessory dwelling unit and still stay within no more than a third of the footprint of the one third size hole behind another house is a wonderful creative idea that shows a high level of compassion for others a willingness to help understand and concerned the risk to change an ordinance such as this proposed is concern it may sell one conservative one problem but what about the unintended consequences it possibly is going to create a new problem for someone else maybe not right now but down the road because a city council looked at hope college with the number of students going from six to four we try to reduce the number of people we establish policies to reduce the number of rentals in an area to add stability to that area and it seems now that we are going in the opposite direction we're trying to increase concentration of parking problems what about that i think in this week about and i have no problem if we want to add something to an existing home i think that's a that's a reasonable possibility but when you think about your home if you're sitting there worse the activity to vittie is on the front side of the building and how many people who live in these homes are they're looking for snow plows in the winter they're looking for sidewalk they're looking for mail deliveries find that solace in some kind of an area other than us and i think a down the road we don't know what's going to happen i think we are creating a lot of potential rental properties that are going to come back and bite us in the future these is nancy said many of these these buildings are there for one hundred years and we're going to do with them and i think we're burkean down the wrong track my question dealing specifically with the amendment which is before us in your legal interpretation ron is that with this amendment are we ok proceeding with a final reading or would this amendment be of such a significance that we really ought to repeat this is wider perspectives that is for sure mr klump aren't you always have a pretty good take on things but i just i come at this i think from a completely different angle  there was a time in my life i read a lot about urban development and trends and everything i there's something in my gut the tells me this is a good thing from about from almost every angle i can look at it density in the city is something to celebrate and i think there's a real push now for blokes to to move into the central city and one of the types of things are looking for are amenities a way  of living more simply really with without having to have a car maybe your car last and i think a big piece of this is being able to have mom and dad come home if that works out or a sister or  god help me a teenager but it might come back sometime after the standard with the it over kalamazoo college i mean i can see a lot of applications for this and you know the people who are going to do it or take advantages of it going forward are the ones who are going to build it and make those determinations and the people when they sell those house and they don't like that when they buy the house they know full well it may have more value to them that it has a  the back or they might like the house and say you know what i hate the dwelling unit and they can tear it down so i don't know i think from a whole host of reasons just kind of staying on the front end your front edge of being we're cool city we can be cool or we're working at it in a lot of different ways and i think this is one piece where we we we can be kind of out front of where there's a lot of trends a lot of a lot of good things for people to enjoy live here in the city so i'm i'm very supportive of to put it quite well and i would also say you know rather calm parts has legitimate concerns and i am not going to dismiss a single one of them i'd like to think that we've that staff is done really good job of addressing a lot of them within the context of this ordinance so i think it was pretty thorough and it was not done quickly it was not done without a lot insight not only into what this community desires and a lot of the things that we've done in terms of properties over the past couple years we've looked at other neighboring communities  well as well we've taken what they've done and we've refined it even further and we've made it i think fit what we're trying to accomplish here and i would absolutely support what brother peter's just said as far as the kind of being on the front end of things here there weren't a lot of reference points for examples of ordinances for this but i will tell you i should say here in michigan and other places there are and it will be  a very rare occasion for you all and many of my friends outside of this room to hear me use the word progressive however see i've got some heads up right right stay in your chair but i do think this is one of those things that is one of the more proactive things i've seen with housing in a long time it means something significant in the concept of aging in place and we've not use that phrase a lot but i moved here in two thousand and one and every year since i've been here this has been called a great place to retire and grow old and whatever you want to call it but because of that there is demand it within our seventy four miles the notion of companionship as was shared with us tonight is a big deal again in the aging population and certainly in the population that i work with day in day out there is a level of independence but i will just summarize it this way the very bottom line for this piece of ordinance for me is supports this community has a number of assets specifically the city i will get micro rather than talk broad and in community i'll just say this city has a number of assets that means something to the folks that this type of unit is relevant to and it is all about being proximal to those supports whether it be transportation and the vibrancy that density offers the human services ports that exist in this community  food medical care etc if that bottom line is it supports and if this puts those that need those supports closer to those supports we are moving in the right direction they're not cheap to build but in the end they're not huge either you saw some of the examples and so you know this this really could mean something to affordable housing as well and i'm just excited because this is a long time coming and i think it will mean something very significant for a long time in front of us as well i have been thinking about accessory dwelling unit since i moved to the city and became a homeowner in the city of holland and whether we're talking about accessory to all units as  a tiny house which is a very popular trend right now or you're talking about a man shed which is a very popular thing right now or a craft shed which is also a very popular thing or you're talking about a in law suite something like that i think about this because i bought into this idea of having been living next to neighbors and having people close by and being part of a neighborhood and where my kids could ride up and down the street in a very fifty's becall ik whatever you want to call it an idea of what of urban living can and should be basically what i grew up with in my hometown and i guess the question is what i've always struggled with is how does a property owner in the corner or hood expand his her or their property and do it within what would would you know with within the restrictions that the home can allow is it going to digging into the basement in redoing the basement that's possibility doesn't always work out because that's where utilities are and some of these older homes in these older homes sometimes don't always have the best basements as it was designed for storage is the primary function what about adding on to the rear of the primary residence that's civility as well you get into a challenge of reducing your actual property though you know i have three kids and there's a lot of young families and in the city who want to enjoy my yard at least you know be it small or large but it's not very large and small yard some  potentially better use for that space such as a garden to grow food so the other option in this is been in might again this has been my head as i moved here what if i could build above my garage if i have been obsessing over it quietly and so i was very glad i did when this eighty you came up independent of my my questions or my urging by other people in town and it to me this as a third option in the toolkit of people who want to build and add value to their property and that is something that we should be encouraging and we should be developing in and we've had the conversations with city staff that we don't want these to turn into a real you know we want these to increase the livelihood of the people who own the home the primary property owner and to me this is a function of increasing value and as an organization i'm talking with the city of holland that is is kentucky really built in functions on property values it's where we acquire our resources to do the things we need to do to improve our city and increasing property value should be one of our primary responsibilities so i think this appropriately and mabel's these property owners to increase the value of their homes and bring new livelihood a new vitality and if i can throw out a buzzword resilience i did some of your same thinking wayne in response to this and i did have this little flash of a shantytown from an aerial view thinking oh my word what could this turn into but then walking back through it and understanding what's going to be required of what's being built it's not like you know harvey likes to work with wooden nails and he's just going to wander in the backyard and start pounding or you're just going to get storage shed and stick a cat in there and rent it out to who knows who and there's way more behind the quality of this can you own set of standards as well when they go through and they approve one of these before you can even get a building permit to start construction so they're going to have several sets of eyes here at city hall and you know to staff and to you know one of your pointed boards that are going to be looking at these you know items these excess you don't use to make sure that what goes up does add value to the neighborhood and doesn't take away from the neighborhood if that becomes a rental with a disruptive quality what do people have at their disposal just to be very clear to have an excess we don't need it at does have to be the property has to be owner occupied so the owner of the property has to be living on you know and the principle building or that owner can live in the excess you go in you know and rent out the front part and we've got a disruption within the past year city council already passed an ordinance for the excessive you know call ordinance where if you receive three or more police car or four or more code enforcement issues then we have you know a tool in our tool box to try to remedy that kind of a situation so again i'd say over the past they want us if i mean to just briefly i don't think anyone should expect if this is adopted that there's going to be a rash of construction within the city i see  the potential of the structures being very specific and intended for a few locations but not not all the restrictions are such that they're not lab i'm very supportive of this one thing that i have question about is the you and spectrum intention the structures are not intended to be rental units they're intended to be primary residences and we don't have a necessarily routine inspection program for primary residences we do for rental property i understand the intent behind the proposal to inspect them regularly but i would say at this point that shutter staff ever tell us that they're overloaded with inspection responsibilities this will be the first thing that i suggest that we not do so  that's basically i should i would like to take the opportunity to talk let the world know as evidenced by brother white men that the term progressive a need not necessarily strike fear into the hearts of constitutions of anyone so seven yes one no thank you that brings us down to item twelve communications from the audience there's a body in the audience that wishes to address members of council on an item that is not on the agenda this is your opportunity anyone to address council seeing then turn the page i believe it yes this is a notice of intent resolution to issue limited tax general obligation bonds related to pension and the amount of up to twenty five million dollars and instructor tim bogalay is here should you i have any questions i will or you can receive a presentation as as you would like nothing has been cited for sure tonight other than to all right so we are embarking on a path of that will give us an option basically we're not locking ourselves into a solution but we're group at the risk of incurring the wrath of brother peters could our city manager in thirty seconds give us an overview of why we'd want to do this yes although i looked others to correct me if i messed up basically it's an opportunity to take roughly nine million dollars that is due according to the nation economic everytime a system over eight years and have a level cash flow and spread that over ten fifteen years depending on some of the options so that would level the contributions and would enable better planning which would help us get back financially to a new normal as you know these costs have increased every year they were fifteen percent increase last year on a substantial base and eighty percent the following year and it's to cover the unfunded liability which is not something the council has failed to pay our bills it's rather the change of the economy in relation the stock market the returns of mercy received in the rules as well as the accountant gaspy standards etc they have changed and that's what's produced the need to have this unfunded liability funded in one manner or another so if we don't do it in this manner we have this increasing hill to climb it also enables the council to borrow money at  adventitious rate now how which avoids what mers would normally ask us to pay for which is an eight percent return on the infinite amounts so when the math is done the city would actually make better use of your money basically say four percent on the entire principle over the period of time in which is d so by going to borrow now we can save a bunch of money on an obligation never have to pay for regardless thank you yes you this is funny tonight is actually dissonant then them to the automatic mutual agreement that council has already agreed upon that's already been voted on this is a pretty simple of them it just increases the land that these cit dispatch sector for allen county central dispatch we put this in place it did not match up with their structure in the way they just passed through central dispatch so the reason this this needs to be added is that will be there sectoral match up with their dispatch screen and then we'll be able to respond to that area there i think there is only maybe two or three homes in there that area's mainly field area but the reason for this the denim is just to match up with allen county central dispatch forgot to ordinance amendment keeping and housing of animals i come before you tonight to make a request to change a city ordinance related to keeping the housing of animals specifically cats and dogs as the only two the dwelling the the reason this was brought up as a couple reasons number one our animal control officers were contacted by several island residents forty to fifty that requested the change from two dogs to be increased to three dogs there was also several homes within the city that have a large number of cats ten plus and we have no way of enforcing or making them reduce the number of cats that they currently house at that dwelling we also received some e mails from residents requesting that we take a close look at the number of cats allowed due to having some nuisances in their area having large number of cats some of the feral cats with some of them are also residential cats that are roaming around and created a nuisance within the neighborhood we look at several other communities there's a vast array of different ordinance is in place proposing is that we change the ordinance to now say that three dogs per residential will on the unit which have attained four months of age five cats per residential dwelling you know which of pain four months of age or a combination of total number of start on starting with the ag a question of of of the chief why was five why was five where where did we come out that what was there a process was an arbitrary it was a it was a combination of right now we don't have any restrictions on cas whatsoever so we need some kind of number to put in place so we can have an abortion measure the number five was the middle of the road because i've looked at several ordinances some of them like i said have no restrictions on number of cats or dogs that could be endless you could have one hundred cats and two hundred dogs and some some of these and others have i think the law was  either two or three and some of them had the combination so it was just a this is it was us researching other communities saying what's the norm what would be consistent with other communities of our size and the number that we laid out if you know could be three  of it was too it was too as i have i'm having a hard time with five but at this point i mean i'd be happy with a signature abduction to somehow figure out a way to get fourteen that the people they have the fourteen cats down the street and the neighbors who have set up a twitter feed to troll as many people in the city as possible to alert to this to this  point it is i still think five is too many but if that's where it's going to be then so be it doesn't have to be i think but the five is a good number to deal with the situation but right now we don't have any means to deal with other than that they're  outside the property now we do we may have a number whether that number is three or five or seven we didn't go back to that at home or make some changes with them that's fine police calls in essence for rental properties right for instance the call value has some implication on landlords correct yes with  qualify as one of those two where a landlord at some point should this problematic house in councilman birches ward have signal significant number of cat calls no pun intended with would that register to the point where the landlord would have to feel some repercussion there and do something with the ten if there was a citation issued for a violation that would count toward homes out there that have multiple animals that people didn't even know that they had because they take care of them they're responsible they don't get out of hand brian i think you're going to i hope you don't like what i'm about to propose here but i would like to make an amendment and possibly have the city attorney draft some language that would follow the same rationale and criteria that we had for the bees in the chickens size lot regulated the number of animals per square and i think somebody said earlier that you that so the square foot of the animal or something like that  so i would make that an amendment to this proposed ordinance with language at the final reading this is of course for first reading the final reading is on the seventeenth we've come back with specific language for that the motion to amend down all right i'll get a specific as i can because i can't pull off the top of my head what are chicken or nits was that sound so horrid the mat my proposal would be maximum five any place in the city the same mix that you had proposed three maximum dog five maximum cat or a combination of three into four and one whatever the case may be a formula for ok for cats one dog and i'm not going to do all the math i would like to see some language because i can't pull it up off the top of my head but we had certain such i have actually have it here fantastic and i wish it would you like me too and i would like in size or less five chickens if the parcel is one half to one acre in size in six chickens if the parcel is over one acre inside or more than one acre inside roosters are prohibited obviously ok then citing the size restrictions from that ordinance subsection i would go three at the half for the three quarter whatever but you're allowing your you're offering five right now i want to restrict that down considering some of the concerns that we have fo i would be in favor of that myself i think three is going to be it is too small of a number for majority of these lives that you meet there is going to be a lot of people in violation of that sin is this is an act all right i'm going to withdraw this withdraw this motion and asked table this till the next meeting and have us discuss this and mel that i would at the next  session and mr pm yes if if i'm in order i think we've many times had approved on first reading and then to come up with the changes that the study session and then made those at the second reading it would that be an order in this case yeah that would be the motion two a man could be withdrawn with the consent of the person who supported it and and then accepted for first reading discuss at the study session next week and then didn't see that happen where people we have x number of dogs or cats and then people say well cities as i can have them really therefore i told him i do think we have to really you know think about that what's really you know  i would simply say that i think this whole discussion has raised the issue of responsible pet ownership i've had pets all of my life we've had situations where we've had to we've we currently have a dog and two cats and a few other critters and the key is responsibility in the amount of one thousand dollars and janice rector's in the amount of three thousand dollars parks and recreation digraph nature center for land improvements received donations from jack and sandra lont sally john trust mary a drene and ruth baker trust parks and recreation how america gratian received donations from for the cell pres use scholarship and the amount of five hundred labor day walk in pancake breakfast in the amount of four hundred for him banner program at michigan new mission i'm sorry complex three hundred special events programs three hundred public safety department received a donation from i d c in the amount of one thousand dollars for fire services in kind donation the fire department received in kind of donation of odell for your trucks in a display case from mr rob sag men in the eye our international relations commission received a donation from the brooks family community fund fund in the amount of one thousand dollars for the two thousand and fifteen multicultural fast road festival it is recommended that these donations be accepted with appreciation an expression of gratitude be forwarded to s i don't fifteen communications from the city manager thank you mr mayor pro tem three items first the community will want to know that on monday june twenty ninth at three o'clock in this room will be a farewell reception in the honor of mayor kurt dykstra so put that on the calendar second very happy to say that due to an additional anonymous donation today actually two days ago  youth connections program will grow from one hundred ten to one hundred thirty at risk youth so we're grateful to all the partners and especially to all the donors and businesses who have made this growth possible there will be a  beginning of june sixteenth and it will be something everyone be invited to as well as the final cookout in august last the energy blitz the schedule for this saturday in order to meet the competition sawyers was at a program in washington d c recently and signified that this is exactly the kind of thing that she learned that needs to be done in addition to everything else we're doing here slike twelve other items in order to win this competition for five million dollars that could fund the hollin energy trust which we spoke of earlier today and produce more and better outcomes for a long time for the city of holland to meet the energy plan anyway we're up to one hundred eleven volunteers which exceeds the expectations which means will be contacting over a thousand homes and if folks aren't home there is a card that will be left with the packet and you each have one of these on the love so if you can sign those cars ads and in your particular ward if you want person isn't home no matter who volunteer is they'll have a personal note from you which is all intended to bridge the gap between knowledge and action which also explains why we sent postcards out to communities householders so they know that we're coming and we'll have a training saturday morning eight a m volunteers are still w report thank you and their communications from the mayor as city manager indicated things are picking up because it is summer and the city may not be uptown but for summer concert series a college park the american legion band series work on tuesday nights farmer's market is going strong lead friday night there's this fright coming friday night there's a car show downtown  so lots of stuff to do in the summer holiday we continue to put out information to the website we encourage you to make use of the  website if you want to contact us all the work on deck information is there well lots of good stuff happening so look there and as long as you're on the web take a peek at p twenty one to see what's going on at the power plant was pleased to see we got notice that the combustion turbines are moving they're making their way to the port in sweden and will soon be loaded start making to make this a little bigger because my trifocals are working real well with sana davis to the police community relations commission for uncompleted term expiring december thirty one of this year to the sustainability committee representing the holland or public works for an on a cunt completed term expiring march thirty twenty seventeen chris how old to the historic district commission for one three year term international relations commission for a three year term expiring june thirtieth twenty teen there are no real appointments and no resignations to note at that time so  thank you communication from council members i mention going on the historic walking tour with the museum and they have three different walking tours i guess that it they are going to be doing every couple  weeks and this one was very well attended and most people didn't realize the accessibility and the fun of it but there is so there's one in the historic walking neighborhoods and also the lost city and the highland fire walk so those are all very interesting if you're interested go to highland to be easy and out organ check that out it was very fun to have in the netherlands people hear how that when the island gardens yesterday and i said to one of the guys how does it feel coming here does it look  like authentic or cheesy here what do you think and he said it feels like home he said except the weather because it was too nice for the other one so that was very gracious of him and it was really fun to watch people i said are you going to take selfies with the windmill and the guy i said oh yeah you have those everywhere to touch it but he did he took a picture and that was that was a lot of fun also tomorrow night at seven o'clock we're having the master plan meeting that's the combination of all the meetings that we've been having this week no problem anyway that was there was an exciting more exciting than expected seven a collect to morrow there will be a whole rolling out of the master plan as a part of all these neighborhood meetings and it will be held here in council chambers so if you'd like to get your two cents in and see what other people are thinking about what the future vision is for how and please do this it's important that we keep planning and great vision ahead of us connections there will be music a product range of music and dancing food activities for the whole family a number of informational booths so it will be a great time the weather will be six go to the farmer's market and then come now have some fun and give nancy let into this but on the topic of our friends from the netherlands who were here yesterday we did not have the king and queen another city at that or township them but we had a really great delegation of about fifty agribusiness dignitaries and and business owners from creating soit protein burgers all of these are very relevant because holland is an amazingly diverse region with a lot of agribusiness  and it was a really great event and they did as nancy said they left very happy they felt like this was home and and our intent was that they made some very deliberate interactions that will hopefully bring business to holland and bring some of our businesses to the netherlands so we will yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes  you we are going into a closed session