time appears to be slipping away we can even feel like we're running out of time and some days you may think if only i could make time stand still better yet turn back time this is so greedy that they really don't know what time is and from a theoretical standpoint the past the present and the future all exist simultaneously even wilder it is most likely a shared illusion that time is moving forward or backwards or in any direction now rather than with grains of sand we can measure the passage of time  travel through time to the creative zone is wonderful all actually when we're traveling we are losing time in aging so i don't know whether i feel younger not an open to travel quite so far but we are back in the studio in our creative zone and we have two really special guests here today it is groundhog day in boston and it's a time that a lot of people remember the movie would go marie where he talked about time he actually got caught in the time war i know so you said you hadn't seen the movie but it's quite delightful and even the term groundhog day has become a word that a phrase that people use when it seems like time is standing still and going around and around our guests today are two as i said really lovely people if i spirit and calmness and i said oh this is going to be a great show talking about time and what time means and because it's a big subject it's something we deal with all the time right ari said what do you think about time martha well i was speaking with zoe a little earlier my son and i have been talking a lot about time lately he's fifteen so his perceptions about time are still fairly fluid or the fact that there is no time and so we've had some great conversations about it's what we make it and there is no time i have a slightly different perspective because i've been alive longer and so i have more sort of hooks into the ideas about time and having  tried to work under timelines deadlines we have so many different terms to use for the crunch of time and if we work a nine to five  workday five days a week i mean it's constant i was thinking about how hard it is to have a conversation without some term of time coming into it and so how do we rephrase that if we don't feel  and closed or hampered by time what language can we use to broaden that and open up a little bit and explore that and you know challenge and so you were saying that you thought sometimes what time you gran i knew right away it with him but in talking to him it was interesting because he said to me who is that boy and where has all the years gone where have time gone and of course my sister  shoots she was on at this point for then she started texting pictures of me when i was in her wedding over twenty five years ago and seeing myself i would move on with something pages and my dad where have all the groundhog show and so i watched it several times and was fascinated and in the intro even the mentioning the physicists saying that this time that we're seeing is perhaps an illusion which is really wild to think that where we are it could be a past present future in there all at the same time so i don't even know what it means other than we are caught up in it and we do let it rule our lives a lot on on make her feel better we spend a lot of time talking about how when we are creating time does seem to stand still i know it does always for making art here and it does for me even at home or other places do you what do you do that that makes time stand still or do you have any activity will i when you're thinking that when you're creating it on with me time and i are thinking just the being present in that moment of creation are just being present in general those are probably for me the moment where i feel  time is standing still how can my how do you but how do you stay present would you do i was just going to say but that such a challenge to do and we talk about being pregnant and how important that is and how things can have such a richer meaning when we are able to be present but that's the question how do you how do you how do you do that you do it well i think that's why groundhog day the movie has been picked up by a lot of buddhists because it has that element to it of a my buddhist friends explaining that when you meditate the idea is you you are stopping the pain of time by being here in this in this moment what do you do while you're an artist in the greater but what else you do the special things to be present i have to give myself permission i think it's very hard to step out of time that you know the self imposed sense of time to do something else that's more creative it's really easy to not give myself permission it's much easier to do busy work or tasks cleaning disfellowship some kind of set routine some kind of schedule to step outside of that is a very liberating thing and that can be kind of scary i think i think as a human being i'm very attached to feeling the edges of structure and time and and yet it can be the enemy at this at the same time so it's almost impossible not to use that word but when i do give myself permission it turns out i was having dinner the other night with a good friend of mine who's also a creative person and he writes and he called it the zone and i called it the zone almost the same time he called it the zone and we were to discussing this idea of what happens when you're in that moment being present and what a lovely place it is to be and and you can feel like a selfish place to be on the other hand why not  not we're here and we don't know how long we're here so why not take advantage and express and explore and create and to be in that zone in any way we can think of and i've been exploring that i've been going a lot of different tangents lately you ok what what can i do this time what i've been writing stand up comedy and short stories and just to see that that any creative pursuit can do that you stop time whatever that whatever that means inside to us each one of us individually it stops it for a few but we have our friend kato i explained to him a little too before the show he is visiting us again he's sort of a mascot to make her feel better and he's the creative critic and we decided today that he would be timekeeper because i think kato comes in a lot and you know kato is that voice inside of us this is he was also the censor for the roman senate and that's why we use him as the creative censor who comes in and tells you that you're going to mess something up or maybe it's best if you don't do it but i when this show i said oh my gosh he's such a time keeper telling you you're wasting time you don't have enough times do this wow why why why would you even do that and maybe you're supposed to live like you're going to die tomorrow no what he's saying is if you're going to live another hundred years think of all the things you would do you probably start learning a foreign language you might do this you might do that and that that freedom of knowing in essence that there is no time that you can do all all of those things we're going to go in the creative zone right now and just see what happens i've got a lot of different materials i didn't know what to bring in fact for the show because there's no real thing it's just trying to get some things that is going to be giving us music while we're working and he's not doing improvisation so he's creating and he's going into what we're we're creating so that'll be fun  and did it was it hard to get into a critic or did it actually was and which is surprising because as you know really i don't think myself as a creative person but every opportunity i have had and i've had more opportunities since knowing who to put myself in that zone feel it doesn't feel as though i'm i making myself do something it feels like my hands are do because i think yeah yeah because we're so used to be conscious in dictating what we have to do and what we need to do that it's just a different experience what do you did did you have any meaning for this because it just brought me back to south africa where i'm from and then for me the rock with a really grounding force that made it feel like home and the beads were people that were really important in my life but i would it's this i started creating a ladder and i wasn't sure what meaning is in that but it felt like even though this is safe and this is grounded in this is where time the standing still there's also so much more over there and that's why i started to sprinkle i thought that that the pink really represented something light and not threatening and i wanted some of that over there to perhaps you are going to the infinity sign to figure out i was a little kid and my siblings and i would sit and do scribble drawings of course when you scribble tries you have no idea where your hand is going until you finish making scribble and then you color in all the sections i wanted to explore that idea but not do it so haphazardly but elude to the infinity sign without making any of the actual lines connect and to make an infinite just to see how that would feel to not connect them and to play with the idea of the motion  show started i got a text that i'm going to have a granddaughter so and i can feel that i'm very emotional about it but i had to go pick and love and all sorts of imaginable things so it's a very visible very special it was a special  artwork and really i will remember this time i did sometimes when times and still you still can remember it so all and to be with you all to share this is really really great in this time in this t well let's hope that we can be in the creative zone again maybe together